| 00:00.04 | ollo | can you tell me wich are the best book to learn it ? |
| 00:00.24 | Vasistha | vars: is that related to the problem with lilo? ...and, yeah, I enjoy (trying to) read all those crazy sanskrit words |
| 00:00.24 | amathes_ | o'reilly! |
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| 00:00.52 | Vasistha | ollo: I've never used a paper text, just learned from the Advanced Bash Scripting guide, I think you can apt-get install abs-guide |
| 00:01.05 | vars | no it is seperate i thrashed my connection trying to forward ports |
| 00:01.15 | ollo | lohh...thank...very kind !!!! |
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| 00:01.54 | Vasistha | vars: so you're using ubuntu, you have two other myserious OSs that you can't boot, and you can't connect to the internet? |
| 00:02.04 | Vasistha | s/myserious/mysterious |
| 00:02.14 | ollo | last question |
| 00:02.15 | vars | w2k and mophix |
| 00:02.34 | ollo | sorry If iam so heavy with all my questions |
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| 00:02.47 | ollo | well I have on nvidia geforce 6800gs |
| 00:02.55 | Vasistha | vars: first I should tell you that... ubuntu is really substantially different from debian in a lot of ways, we may not be able to help you very much in here. You might be better off in #ubuntu |
| 00:02.56 | ollo | I have installed the driver of nvidia |
| 00:03.13 | ollo | but when I have updated the kernel I get back to vesa driver |
| 00:03.33 | giorgian | hi, i have a sony cybershot dsc-s600 camera, which seems to be supported by gphoto2, but gphoto2 says: Error (-1: 'Unspecified |
| 00:03.33 | giorgian | error'). maybe i need to load some kernel modules? |
| 00:03.55 | Marsmensch | vars: use the nvidia-glx drivers |
| 00:04.00 | ollo | anyway in both configuration I could not to resize my desktop view...are there any tools to get the right size?? |
| 00:04.02 | giorgian | i've searched everywhere on google, but found nothing |
| 00:04.13 | Vasistha | zarathustra: that problem doesn't sound too good! Do you have a bootable rescue disk or anything to check and see if the partition is readable by another linux OS? |
| 00:04.43 | Marsmensch | sorry i was wrong, forget it |
| 00:05.24 | Vasistha | ollo: I think Marsmensch meant to tell YOU to use the nvidia-glx drivers ... it ought to be possible to get the right desktop resolution. Do you know if you are running XFree or X.org? |
| 00:05.31 | vars | Vasistha, here is what i need to do sasp, and i will do anything that i can to do it i need to turn my laptop into a server that will host a website all i have are ubuntu install disk i have no burner |
| 00:05.44 | vars | i don't need any stinking glx-drivers |
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| 00:06.03 | ollo | xorg |
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| 00:06.31 | eatingtheproverb | hello |
| 00:06.32 | robin_sz | vars: try "we dont need no steeeeeenkin' glx-drivers" |
| 00:06.52 | Vasistha | vars: yeah he meant it for somebody else with a four-character nick. Are you saying you don't need to back up anything on the laptop, you could just wipe it and install anything? |
| 00:07.12 | Vasistha | eatingtheproverb: g'day, welcome. If you've got a question feel free to just ask it! |
| 00:07.16 | eatingtheproverb | dose any one here know how to use linux to loginto yahoo messenger |
| 00:07.19 | ollo | I have tried to use "xvidtune", but I get this message: Video are not settable on this chip |
| 00:07.41 | Vasistha | eatingtheproverb: try gaim |
| 00:08.13 | Marsmensch | yes gaim can use yahoo |
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| 00:08.37 | eatingtheproverb | im new to this system i just got it its ubuntu |
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| 00:08.45 | vars | Vasistha, yeah it is free for the taking but i don't have anything other thatn ubuntu disk and i think a feather linux live disk |
| 00:08.58 | Vasistha | ollo: it'd probably be worthwhile to try the nvidia-glx driver like someone suggested, it might just solve your problem |
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| 00:09.11 | TonyRad | I have the printer set up so I can view it and add it as a printer on my system, however, it says "access denied. Unable to connect" |
| 00:09.14 | troubled | anyone ever experience load lvl 2+ and nothing using more than 2%? |
| 00:09.19 | epsilon | eatingtheproverb: #ubuntu |
| 00:09.41 | eatingtheproverb | um let me chack |
| 00:09.43 | Vasistha | eatingtheproverb: ubuntu has some substantial differences from debian. The folks in #ubuntu can probably help you more. But the application you want to install for yahoo messenger is called GAIM |
| 00:09.45 | abrotman | troubled: sure .. |
| 00:09.46 | ollo | thank |
| 00:09.46 | eatingtheproverb | check |
| 00:10.10 | troubled | abrotman: seems to be irq issues. considering tryin latest kernel though since change log mentioned irq fix |
| 00:10.11 | eatingtheproverb | wher do i get ity |
| 00:10.33 | abrotman | eatingtheproverb: please ask #ubuntu |
| 00:10.39 | epsilon | eatingtheproverb: ask in <bold> #ubuntu </bold> |
| 00:10.41 | eatingtheproverb | ok |
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| 00:11.00 | Vasistha | vars: well... you know you're in the debian forum, so noone here is going to advise you to put ubuntu on it, right? ;-) Furthermore I should state that debian is MUCH better suited than ubuntu to act as a web server |
| 00:11.38 | Vasistha | vars: if I were you I would definitely download and burn a debian stable (sarge) CD, and install that. |
| 00:11.40 | vars | true story is featherlinx a deb brat? |
| 00:11.58 | eatingtheproverb | <b>#ubuntu</b> |
| 00:12.10 | vars | if i had a cd burner that worked i woudn't neet to do that |
| 00:12.29 | TonyRad | vars, got any friends with a working burner? |
| 00:12.46 | Andon | vars, just use the net install |
| 00:12.53 | Vasistha | vars: ahha, I see, you have a dilemma. I bet that laptop's got a floppy drive, you could probably to a net install |
| 00:12.55 | troubled | abrotman: seems to be a module of mine going irq happpy :( |
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| 00:13.23 | abrotman | troubled: cat /proc/interrupts ? |
| 00:13.25 | _ericb | I'm thinking about 2 solutions : 1- setup 2 partitionsin raid 1 to enshure redundancy, 2- setup hourly backups from a partition to the other. I've heard a lot of people reporting raid 1 isn't really effective since if both drive are from the same lot, are given the same workload to do, they will probably die at same time. |
| 00:13.33 | vars | Andon, can i do that from featherlinux |
| 00:13.50 | vars | hey i have mopix that is debian right? |
| 00:13.51 | Johnny_5 | i can't get flash to work on my box |
| 00:13.59 | abrotman | !d-i vars |
| 00:14.00 | dpkg | vars, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 00:14.08 | Andon | Dunno what that is, so my guess is no :-\ |
| 00:14.10 | Vasistha | vars: there are many, many distros which are BASED on debian, but only debian is debian. |
| 00:14.16 | troubled | abrotman: ya, even when software daemon stopped and module loading the irq going mad, seems to be slowin system :( |
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| 00:15.38 | Vasistha | Johnny_5: as in macromedia flash? btw, I like your nick. Have you tried Gnash, and/or flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 00:15.41 | Zweideutig | Err. I can't remember the name of the package with the Microsoft fonts. |
| 00:15.48 | ollo | thank you guys for you support...bye |
| 00:15.56 | Vasistha | Zweideutig: it has mstt core fonts or something |
| 00:16.21 | Johnny_5 | yeah macromedia and no i haven't |
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| 00:16.36 | Johnny_5 | how do i access that? with apt? |
| 00:16.55 | Vasistha | Johnny_5: yeah, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:17.05 | vars | ok now i can do this net install ok then what? i had a hell of a time getting past my firewall, and setting an static ip and my system is broken. |
| 00:17.11 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 00:17.19 | Zweideutig | Can't find it. |
| 00:18.02 | Zweideutig | I'll fail out of class if I can't use Times New Roman. |
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| 00:18.21 | Vasistha | vars: well, we can't very well give you a full detailed set of instructions for your specific situation before you start, when we're not familiar with your environment ! But if you want to install debian, we can help you with the problems you encounter as you get to them |
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| 00:18.54 | Johnny_5 | varsistha: can't find it in apt |
| 00:18.56 | Vasistha | Zweideutig: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 00:19.20 | Vasistha | Johnny_5: are you using debian, or ubuntu or something? |
| 00:19.29 | Johnny_5 | debian |
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| 00:19.33 | Zweideutig | No installation candidate. |
| 00:20.02 | Vasistha | Johnny_5, Zweideutig: you both may just need to configure your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 00:20.38 | Vasistha | Zweideutig: Johnny_5: if you go to packages.debian.org you can see that both of those packages are available. |
| 00:20.52 | abrotman | !flash |
| 00:20.52 | dpkg | i heard flash is If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser, or missing fonts? install gsfonts-x11 |
| 00:20.58 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 00:20.58 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 00:21.01 | Zweideutig | Yeah, I see that. |
| 00:21.16 | amathes_ | or you can always try one of these: sudo apt-cache search mstt |
| 00:21.17 | Zweideutig | dpkg: Nothing is free. There is no such thing as free. |
| 00:21.18 | dpkg | ...but nothing is already something else... |
| 00:22.00 | Zweideutig | Even opensource software isn't free. Someone else is paying for it. |
| 00:22.27 | Coweater | !free |
| 00:22.27 | dpkg | somebody said free was defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 00:22.28 | Vasistha | Zweideutig: Johnny_5: as dpkg said, if you must, you can add 'contrib non-free' after 'main' in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:22.44 | Supaplex | Zweideutig: dpkg is a bot. and free software is free TO YOU. none of this other nonsense. |
| 00:23.02 | stew | Zweideutig: in this channel "free" refers to freedom as defined in the dfsg (/msg dpkg dfsg) |
| 00:23.12 | Johnny_5 | i use sarge |
| 00:23.28 | Vasistha | Johnny_5: yeah, me too, that's why I know these instructions will work for you ;-) |
| 00:23.40 | Zweideutig | Oh, dpkg is a bot. |
| 00:23.54 | Supaplex | !bot |
| 00:23.54 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 00:24.00 | Johnny_5 | ah... |
| 00:24.03 | Supaplex | yup :) |
| 00:24.14 | Zweideutig | <- Tool |
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| 00:25.04 | Vasistha | Johnny_5: gotta go, good luck. |
| 00:25.20 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 00:25.22 | Johnny_5 | thanx |
| 00:25.40 | Zweideutig | Okay, thanks. |
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| 00:27.22 | cesarstafe | hi |
| 00:27.29 | Ugly_Duck | oh boy, udev changes a few things dont it, its naming convention for devices, /dev/snd/pcm*** etc |
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| 00:29.42 | cesarstafe | i have two hosts with equal souces.list but in host "A" download something and not download it in host "B" . Why this difference? |
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| 00:30.41 | Supaplex | are you downloading it from, or onto host B? |
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| 00:31.06 | amathes_ | apt-get update? |
| 00:31.08 | csmall | My DVD drive is not detected by the debian installer. It is a fairly new liteon drive. How can I install debian? |
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| 00:31.19 | abrotman | csmall: nothing in dmesg? |
| 00:31.33 | Supaplex | ide? scsi? something else? |
| 00:31.38 | csmall | abrotman, where would I see it that early in the install process |
| 00:31.42 | csmall | Supaplex, IDE |
| 00:31.56 | csmall | just a fairly new liteon DVD burner |
| 00:32.06 | Supaplex | how about the ide controller? |
| 00:32.06 | Agrajag- | gday, im trying to set the primary_hostname variable for exim4. i tried adding "dc_hardcode_primary_hostname=mail.foo.com" to my update-exim4.conf.conf and ran update-exim4.conf and restarted exim4 but that didn't seem to have any effect |
| 00:32.18 | Supaplex | I'd hope the dvd burner was atapi |
| 00:32.20 | abrotman | csmall: try like .. ctrl-alt-f3 or something |
| 00:32.28 | Agrajag- | does anyone happen to know the correct debian way to set primary_hostname for exim4? |
| 00:32.30 | csmall | Supaplex, the conroller works fine with debian. my last dvd drive was seen fine |
| 00:33.06 | csmall | abrotman, ok, it pretty much says it can't find a cd drive |
| 00:33.12 | cesarstafe | i get from sources.list in host "A" equal to host "B" |
| 00:33.16 | csmall | the installer |
| 00:33.21 | cr3 | what does the output of fdisk -l look like when there are several disks on the system? |
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| 00:33.53 | cesarstafe | sources.list(host A) = sources.list(host B) |
| 00:33.59 | abrotman | csmall: are you sure it works? |
| 00:34.19 | cesarstafe | but downloand different packages!! |
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| 00:34.35 | csmall | abrotman, it is seen by all other dists I attempt to install. |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | csmall: are you attempting sarge? |
| 00:35.27 | csmall | abrotman, yes |
| 00:36.09 | csmall | this is the first time I have had this problem since ham |
| 00:36.17 | amathes_ | cesarstrafe: have you run apt-get update? |
| 00:36.22 | cesarstafe | i don't understand why packages are different if source.list(A) and sources.list(B) are equals!! |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | !tell csmall about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 00:36.47 | cesarstafe | yes |
| 00:37.06 | cesarstafe | i done apt-get update |
| 00:37.12 | csmall | abrotman, I saw that...a custom iso right? Is it safe to use? |
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| 00:37.21 | abrotman | csmall: is it for a server or workstatoin? |
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| 00:37.26 | amathes_ | cesarstrafe: is it attempting to use different versions or different packages? what packages it installs can be dependant on what is already installed |
| 00:37.37 | csmall | abrotman, workstation. I want to do a minimal install and pop e17 on it |
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| 00:37.56 | abrotman | csmall: well .. you'll just have to watch for your own security issues if you're htat concerned with it |
| 00:37.57 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 00:37.57 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 00:38.04 | amathes_ | cesarstrafe: run apt-cache showpkg on the package you're trying to install on both |
| 00:38.04 | cesarstafe | openoffice for amd64 exists? |
| 00:38.14 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:38.20 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 00:38.20 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 00:38.25 | csmall | abrotman, I'll build e from source...if I could just get debian installed again heh |
| 00:38.33 | abrotman | csmall: try that unofficial installer |
| 00:38.40 | abrotman | csmall: is this amd or intel cpu ? |
| 00:38.49 | csmall | abrotman, ok. I just hope it's safe. intel |
| 00:38.52 | cesarstafe | change of toppic |
| 00:38.59 | abrotman | csmall: ich6/7 ? |
| 00:39.13 | csmall | abrotman, i wanna say 5 |
| 00:39.20 | cesarstafe | ok |
| 00:39.25 | abrotman | csmall: you should probably make sure .. sarge doesn't support 6/7 |
| 00:39.30 | cesarstafe | dpkg: thanks ! |
| 00:39.30 | dpkg | no worries, cesarstafe |
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| 00:39.41 | csmall | abrotman, it's a few years old |
| 00:40.04 | abrotman | csmall: did you try the 2.4 and 2.6 options for sarge? |
| 00:40.07 | nefertum | will be Xgl in debian unstable? |
| 00:40.23 | csmall | abrotman, I think the 2.4 kernel sees the dvd drive |
| 00:40.27 | csmall | abrotman, but not 26 |
| 00:40.28 | nefertum | or do you know any repository with xgl debs? |
| 00:40.32 | csmall | abrotman, I want 26 |
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| 00:40.46 | abrotman | csmall: well .. you could install with 2.4 .. then try the 2.6 upgrade .. and if that doesn't work .. try the 2.6 from backports.org |
| 00:41.21 | csmall | abrotman, I'd feel cleaner with a fresh 2.6 install...I find it so weird that debian and only debian can not see my drive |
| 00:41.41 | csmall | abrotman, I even tried daily dvd's and nightly installers |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | csmall: it's really not much of a difference |
| 00:41.44 | dli | csmall, what drive? |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | csmall: you tried an etch daily? |
| 00:41.52 | csmall | dli, liteon dvd burner |
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| 00:42.01 | csmall | abrotman, no, where is it |
| 00:42.11 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:42.11 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 00:42.13 | csmall | abrotman, I plan on moving to sid after install anyway |
| 00:42.23 | csmall | ohhh yes i did try the etch |
| 00:42.25 | csmall | sorry |
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| 00:42.35 | csmall | same results |
| 00:42.40 | Johnny_5 | what would be my instalation path for macromedia using the firefox browser |
| 00:42.41 | Johnny_5 | ? |
| 00:42.51 | Johnny_5 | or can i skip this step? |
| 00:42.59 | abrotman | csmall: eh .. is it a sata drive? |
| 00:43.22 | csmall | abrotman, no, just IDE. and the mobo is running pata and sata |
| 00:43.59 | Azar | csmall, I had such hardware configuration: I had to go in BIOS and turn off sata |
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| 00:44.07 | cesarstafe | jaja |
| 00:44.14 | csmall | Azar, my hard disk is sata |
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| 00:44.27 | Azar | csmall: ah I thought you said IDE |
| 00:44.31 | cesarstafe | pardon, i speack and write spanish |
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| 00:44.39 | csmall | Azar, the dvd burner is pata |
| 00:44.41 | csmall | IDE |
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| 00:44.52 | Azar | cesar puedes ir a /join #debian-es |
| 00:45.02 | abrotman | Azar: he was just here speaking english |
| 00:45.04 | abrotman | i think |
| 00:45.07 | Azar | csmall: ouch, I see |
| 00:45.08 | cesarstafe | yes |
| 00:45.26 | Azar | helle there, then, cesar :) |
| 00:45.27 | cesarstafe | but they not response my questions |
| 00:45.44 | moyote | When I do ctrl+alt+F2 to get to a console, what init level gets out of X?? |
| 00:46.01 | Agrajag- | i can't figure out how to set the primary_hostname in exim4 the debian way, can anyone help? |
| 00:46.33 | cesarstafe | never answer my question in #debian-es |
| 00:46.57 | amathes_ | agrajag is editing the exim4.conf file not the debian way enough? |
| 00:48.38 | Agrajag- | amathes_: no, that's not the debian way - im trying to use update-exim4.conf, and also i have split config files |
| 00:48.55 | cesarstafe | for this rason i prefer this channel |
| 00:49.19 | amathes_ | Agrajag- ok, just making sure you didn't just want it to *work* - i don't use the Debian way ^^ |
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| 00:49.58 | Johnny_5 | what would be my installation path for macromedi using firefox ? |
| 00:50.06 | Johnny_5 | or can i just skip this step? |
| 00:50.30 | Vasistha | Johnny_5: firefox probably needs that if you want to view flash in it |
| 00:50.40 | Johnny_5 | k |
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| 00:51.12 | bztunk | Johnny_5: you're using the debian package? |
| 00:51.20 | cesarstafe | dpkg: pardon, please, can you repet the directions for amd64? |
| 00:51.47 | bztunk | cesarstafe: he's a bot |
| 00:51.59 | Johnny_5 | is it the path pointing to the flash_install dir? |
| 00:52.05 | cesarstafe | ups |
| 00:52.09 | cesarstafe | ok |
| 00:52.16 | Johnny_5 | i'm downloading it from the site |
| 00:52.26 | _Atomo64_ | Hi, I'm having problems with apt-get update, using etch, I get: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2606 |
| 00:52.49 | Johnny_5 | i think this is what i did last time i had debian installed, but i can't remember what i did for this step |
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| 00:53.02 | bztunk | !amd64 |
| 00:53.03 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 00:53.08 | sanmarcos | mysql-ndb mysql-ndb-mgm what the fuck are those? |
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| 00:54.12 | rockstar_ | Hey, can anyone give me clues as to why my flash-firefox audio isn't working? |
| 00:54.38 | abrotman | may need alsa-oss compatibility crapstuff |
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| 00:55.12 | cesarstafe | bye bye!! |
| 00:55.28 | Johnny_5 | so would the path be like /home/nixor/flash_installer*? |
| 00:55.30 | cesarstafe | thank for all! |
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| 00:55.35 | cesarstafe | :D |
| 00:56.33 | bztunk | Johnny_5: just install flashplugin-nonfree then press enter for the path |
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| 00:58.20 | _Atomo64_ | Hi, I'm having problems with apt-get update, using etch, I get: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2606 |
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| 01:01.23 | bryan__ | Atomo, I may be the only one not AFK. Sadly, I can't help you. |
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| 01:02.15 | bztunk | _Atomo64_: i dont know wtf that error is eithe |
| 01:02.32 | bryan__ | uhm... recompile the kernel? |
| 01:02.33 | _Atomo64_ | :( |
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| 01:02.55 | _Atomo64_ | bryan__: uh? does that has anything to do=? |
| 01:02.58 | Johnny_5 | anybody know a good flash site i can go to to try it out? |
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| 01:03.06 | sanmarcos | can somebody type a greater than sign for me |
| 01:03.08 | nkuttler | _Atomo64_: rm the .deb and download again? |
| 01:03.09 | sanmarcos | my kdb is broken |
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| 01:03.20 | bryan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.37 | _Atomo64_ | nkuttler: which .deb? I'm trying to _update_ not install, not _upgrade_ |
| 01:04.16 | Johnny_5 | i htink i figured this out, but i need a place to try it out at |
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| 01:04.50 | bztunk | Johnny_5: macromedia.com? |
| 01:05.01 | thingfish | lotr reference how boring |
| 01:05.14 | bztunk | _Atomo64_: it happens each time you update? |
| 01:05.16 | Johnny_5 | no i mean a site i can go to that has flash in it so i can test mine out |
| 01:05.25 | bztunk | Johnny_5: macromedia.com! |
| 01:05.31 | _Atomo64_ | bztunk: since about 30 minutes ago,.... |
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| 01:05.49 | Johnny_5 | og |
| 01:05.50 | Johnny_5 | ok |
| 01:05.57 | bztunk | lol it redirects to adobe.com now |
| 01:06.03 | jpinto_ | ah |
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| 01:06.06 | nkuttler | _Atomo64_: tried a different mirror? |
| 01:06.26 | thingfish | later, super atomic power #fedora friends! |
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| 01:06.36 | bryan__ | ?? #debian, thingfish. |
| 01:06.41 | thingfish | time to do flightsim while drunk. |
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| 01:06.42 | _Atomo64_ | nkuttler: that's what I'm doing right now... but I don't think the other mirrors are up to date as us.debian.org is |
| 01:06.53 | bryan__ | thingfish - enjoy |
| 01:06.55 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:07.11 | bryan__ | someone version me. i'm so leet. |
| 01:07.30 | bztunk | no. |
| 01:07.45 | bryan__ | aww. :( i'm using epic4 via putty :) |
| 01:08.08 | bryan__ | i feel like i might be a registered user but i don't remember my password. |
| 01:08.42 | sanmarcos | can somebody type a pipe symbol? |
| 01:08.50 | bztunk | | |
| 01:08.51 | bryan__ | | |
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| 01:10.26 | _Atomo64_ | nkuttler: with br.debian.org I don't get that error |
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| 01:11.40 | zeug | can all pcmcia ethernet network cards have more than one address/netmask per interface? |
| 01:12.04 | _Atomo64_ | nkuttler: but it doesn't have the latest updates, so... it still might be the ftp-master which has an error |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | zeug: yes |
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| 01:12.53 | bryan__ | nkuttler - it's very dark. am i in danger of being eaten by a grue? |
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| 01:14.06 | andax | how do I change the umask setting of the www-data user? |
| 01:14.22 | andax | it has no home directory so I cant change the profile |
| 01:14.33 | zeug | abrotman, i am trying to set up an eth0:1 using /etc/network/interfaces, and when i do "ifconfig eth0:1 up", it says "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" |
| 01:14.33 | javier | i need install a vpn |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | zeug: maybe you screwed up the config |
| 01:15.07 | zeug | abrotman, i can use similar config in another machine with a pci ethernet card, and it works fine |
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| 01:15.35 | zeug | abrotman, where can i post the config for you to see? |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:15.41 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:15.44 | _Atomo64_ | does anybody here uses etch too? |
| 01:15.52 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:16.09 | _Atomo64_ | because I want to know if I'm the only one with the us.debian.org mirror |
| 01:16.15 | abrotman | i use it |
| 01:16.17 | marco13185 | why doesn't apple have to release the source code for safari, if it has peices of konqueror and konqueror is GPLed. Am I misinterpreting the GPL? |
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| 01:16.41 | abrotman | marco13185: ask #osx |
| 01:16.45 | _Atomo64_ | abrotman: then could you please do an apt-get update for me? 'cause I'm getting this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2606 |
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| 01:17.16 | marco13185 | abrotman, no such channel :( |
| 01:17.17 | abrotman | _Atomo64_: i just did one earlier tonight |
| 01:17.29 | davon | which is the easiest way to find the diff between two dirs in terms of the files they hold? |
| 01:17.29 | abrotman | marco13185: there are two people there |
| 01:17.40 | abrotman | davon: i think 'diff' can do it |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | _Atomo64_: might have been a bad sync |
| 01:18.00 | zeug | abrotman, just a moment, i tried making both interfaces auto, and now i cant connect to it at all |
| 01:18.09 | abrotman | zeug: cute |
| 01:18.20 | _Atomo64_ | abrotman: using the Packages.bz2 ? and main contrib non-free ? |
| 01:18.21 | johnsu01 | marco13185: also, make sure you're asking about the right thing and the right license. (khtml is not gpl) |
| 01:18.28 | abrotman | marco13185: maybe ask #kde .. |
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| 01:18.34 | davon | abrotman: i thought 'diff' is for two files. anyway, thks, i'll check fr 'man'. |
| 01:18.35 | zeug | abrotman, and its on a "headless" laptop with a semi-broken lcd cable :( |
| 01:18.49 | andax | zeug, why don't you just configure eth0 with a single ip address then type "ifconfig eth0 add <another ip>" , so you'll have eth0:1 up |
| 01:18.51 | bryan__ | I recently purchased a UDMA/ATA-100 IDE RAID controller (it's PCI). All of the driver install directions are for windows. Do you think it'll work on my linux box? |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | davon: there is a way to do it .. but i can't remember exactly |
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| 01:20.01 | lilo | hmmm, interesting, I guess the move to OFTC is not entirely unexpected |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | davon: there is a way to do it .. but i can't remember exactly? |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:20.19 | ludovicus | hey all, in etch how do i get nvidia source? |
| 01:20.21 | abrotman | lilo: eh? |
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| 01:20.44 | lilo | abrotman: I was just reading about it....I sort of figured that it was going to happen, Steve seems to have wanted it |
| 01:21.09 | abrotman | lilo: you won't miss us :) |
| 01:21.15 | davon | abrotman: checked 'man', 'diff' is for files only. for two dirs, would 'grep' work? |
| 01:21.17 | abrotman | lilo: just imagine .. no more bot attacks! |
| 01:21.37 | lilo | abrotman: well, I wouldn't say I won't miss you guys, though the politics is always, uh, challenging ;) |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | lilo: hehe .. you can still have the gentoobies! :) |
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| 01:22.21 | bztunk | bryan__: IIRC, ide raid cards mostly work by software drivers (they are only interface cards, in a way), and you're better using linux software raid |
| 01:22.26 | abrotman | davon: try `diff <dir1> <dir2> |
| 01:22.36 | lilo | well, obviously I'm glad for anyone who likes the network and wants to stay |
| 01:22.40 | abrotman | lilo: you can come hang out on OFTC |
| 01:22.49 | lilo | abrotman: I think technically I'm banned from OFTC ;) |
| 01:22.57 | andax | bryan__, what is the card model type etc? |
| 01:23.01 | lilo | abrotman: somebody took that April Fools Day joke a little too seriously ;) |
| 01:23.02 | abrotman | lilo: it's possible |
| 01:23.05 | javier | where i find information about vpn? |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | lilo: so i heard |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | !vpn |
| 01:23.09 | dpkg | it has been said that vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/ |
| 01:23.21 | lilo | abrotman: but I believe they wanted to....again, the political people usually can find a reason to do whatever it is they want to do |
| 01:23.35 | bryan__ | andax - I don't really know. Got it here: http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=4812 |
| 01:23.39 | lilo | I'm happy if we've been helpful to the project up to this point |
| 01:23.50 | javier | thks |
| 01:23.56 | andax | bryan__, it will work. |
| 01:23.59 | john | if you download kernel source, and just want to compile.. have no real 'need' to implement anything new into the kernel, just want to update, etc.. is there anything in the menu that's different from a default install that needs to be addressed? |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | lilo: i guess it was a 50/50 flip .. half channels here .. half there .. and they do have the SPI argument |
| 01:24.21 | bryan__ | andax - what do I do afa drivers are concerned? |
| 01:24.22 | andax | bryan__, good choice btw |
| 01:24.40 | bryan__ | andax - the price was right |
| 01:24.45 | andax | bryan__, what drivers? |
| 01:24.54 | lilo | abrotman: yeah....in a sense, OFTC is a Debian-internal network, and having a private network can be very appealing |
| 01:24.56 | liable | just because they have links to oftc doesnt mean everyone will go there |
| 01:24.57 | bryan__ | andax - will it just work, then? |
| 01:25.05 | andax | bryan__, it's just gonna work with sarge yes |
| 01:25.11 | abrotman | lilo: or it's all politics :) |
| 01:25.12 | lilo | liable: well, we're here, and happy to be of service if we can |
| 01:25.21 | zeug | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2607 |
| 01:25.22 | lilo | abrotman: or that, I guess :) |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | liable: no .. but many clients default to irc.debian.org .. and if they change the CNAME .. that's where they'll go |
| 01:25.29 | lilo | gravity: oic |
| 01:25.39 | liable | abrotman: indeed |
| 01:25.53 | andax | bryan__, if you want to use raid setup then google for "mdadm" |
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| 01:26.00 | abrotman | i would imagine mine points at irc.debian.org .. but i'm pretty sure i'm equally disliked on both networks :) |
| 01:26.00 | liable | abrotman: at least they will take all the default knoppix users too! |
| 01:26.01 | bryan__ | andax - sweet!! thanks for the info. |
| 01:26.10 | lilo | anyway, I've been expecting this for a couple of years....the reasons for the move always change, it's whatever's convenient at the moment |
| 01:26.18 | bryan__ | andax - i mostly just want to be redundant with my data in case if a hard drive fails. this'll work for that? |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | zeug: try making the first one eth0:0 |
| 01:26.40 | lilo | but that's politics, sometimes life is like that 8) |
| 01:26.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:27.08 | abrotman | lilo: we'll see .. maybe it will end up not happening |
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| 01:27.19 | abrotman | i'm not sure if OFTC can handle that much more traffic |
| 01:27.25 | lilo | abrotman: oh, I guess they probably can |
| 01:27.27 | andax | bryan__, yes it will. plug in the card, put some disks on it , then install mdadm and setup the raid configuration. (google for: "mdadm howto" or something) |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | but i'm not an ircop .. and i don't know much about how much load freenode/oftc handle |
| 01:27.41 | bryan__ | andax - you are officially my hero. |
| 01:27.45 | Dorfl | Could someone please point me towards a wiki that would explain setting up a laptop for roaming [eg open coffee shop] wireless access? |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | davon: work fro you ? |
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| 01:28.02 | zeug | abrotman, i tried that, and eth0:0 wont start at all with that |
| 01:28.12 | davon | abrotman: working on it. seems ok. thks. |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | zeug: let me check a machine |
| 01:28.34 | zeug | abrotman, maybe its the card, its a "brand x" card using the asix module |
| 01:28.49 | zeug | abrotman, or asix_cs, whatever it is |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | zeug: i can't imagine it's driver dependent |
| 01:29.18 | beardy | Dorfl: /msg dpkg laptop perhaps you can find something there. |
| 01:29.19 | johnsu01 | Dorfl: man iwconfig might help, also check out the packages listed by apt-cache search laptop-net |
| 01:29.35 | Dorfl | Thank you, I'll take a look. |
| 01:29.42 | liable | lilo: what happened the other day anyway? someone box get pwned? |
| 01:29.47 | abrotman | zeug: you realize neither eth0* is auto ? |
| 01:29.49 | beardy | Dorfl: Also ask dpkg about wireless |
| 01:29.55 | lilo | liable: still tracing it down |
| 01:30.06 | liable | damn |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | liable: the other day? |
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| 01:30.44 | liable | abrotman: some tards got ops in here and elsewhere, it was um, interesting |
| 01:30.51 | tclover | ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ |
| 01:30.52 | zeug | abrotman, yes, eth0 will only automatically come on when i plug in the card when auto is turned off |
| 01:30.52 | lilo | liable: I'm told that someone provided them an old ircd.conf |
| 01:31.02 | abrotman | zeug: oh .. ok |
| 01:31.06 | zeug | abrotman, when i turn on auto, it wont bring the interface up when the card is plugged in |
| 01:31.33 | Johnny_5 | my sound doesn't work, but other than that the flash does |
| 01:31.33 | abrotman | zeug: and what's the error ? |
| 01:31.51 | zeug | abrotman, SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 01:32.41 | liable | lilo: oh. whats that give em passwords or something? (i dont really know anything about ircd's) |
| 01:32.53 | zeug | abrotman, hmm, i tried ifup instead of ifconfig and its now working |
| 01:33.00 | john | has all the config info for the ircd |
| 01:33.06 | zeug | abrotman, maybe ifconfig doesnt like secondary interfaces |
| 01:33.07 | john | link info, password for opers, etc.. i do believe. |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | zeug: i have :* for one of the servers i work with .. but it's not PCMCIA |
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| 01:34.26 | beardy | Heh, how secure.. |
| 01:34.44 | zeug | abrotman, what file would i edit to run ifdown eth0:1 && ifup eth0:1 when the card is plugged in? |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | liable: so .. why was it interseting? |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | i miss all the fun ... |
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| 01:35.09 | sanmarcos | abrotman is the man who eats chunky campbell's soup |
| 01:35.12 | liable | abrotman: they were kicking the ops, changing topic, banning whoever they felt like etc |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | zeug: probably something in /etc/network/ .. |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | sanmarcos: i am ? |
| 01:35.22 | liable | abrotman: our friends from GNAA |
| 01:35.24 | davon | abrotman: 'diff' used for 2 dirs is doing more than i need, it seems. it is extracting the diff in contents between all files of the same name in the 2 dirs. |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | liable: oh .. fun |
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| 01:35.47 | abrotman | davon: darn unix .. too good for its own good! |
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| 01:36.25 | abrotman | davon: maybe -q ? |
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| 01:37.20 | zeug | abrotman, ill just put it in a startup script, should keep it running as long as my dog doesnt pull out the card along with the dongle when she is looking for food |
| 01:37.23 | davon | abrotman: yeh, i think it can be controlled with options. got to look at 'man' again. |
| 01:37.56 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:38.24 | zeug | she chewed 2 network cables before when trying to get to a dead bird, and fried 2 cards :( |
| 01:39.44 | bryan__ | bye everyon |
| 01:39.47 | bryan__ | everyone* |
| 01:39.55 | bryan__ | thanks for the help |
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| 01:40.34 | marc7 | how strongly would people advise me to stick with the stable openssh package, if I want to apply a patch that will allow for polling ssh publickeys from an LDAP server... and the patch being released (http://www.opendarwin.org/en/projects/openssh-lpk/) doesn't apply cleanly against 3.8.1p1 anymore... should I grab the source for 4.2p1 from the testing branch and then patch/dpkg-buildpackage from that? |
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| 01:42.14 | abrotman | done flying? |
| 01:42.22 | thingfish | hehe yeah |
| 01:43.33 | thingfish | I flew around hawaii for a while. |
| 01:44.12 | abrotman | gl-117 isn't good enough |
| 01:44.12 | liable | flight gear? |
| 01:44.17 | thingfish | then in mid-flight I switched to a B-52 and the flightsim app didn't like that. |
| 01:44.26 | ludovicus | is Xorg broken in etch for nvidia 3d graphics acceleration? |
| 01:44.46 | liable | probably |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | you mean is nvidia broken ? |
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| 01:45.18 | thingfish | liable: no, tried that, but found it lacking (plus I couldn't get my joystick working in it) - ms FS2004. |
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| 01:45.29 | pipeline | marc7: Yes. It's safe to get *source* packages from testing; they usually won't work, but if they do, you're golden. That's how backports.org works... |
| 01:45.37 | liable | thingfish: seen X-Plane? |
| 01:45.38 | thingfish | I hate MS but I can't argue that their flightsim is the best on the market. |
| 01:45.52 | ludovicus | aah |
| 01:45.56 | ludovicus | damn |
| 01:45.56 | thingfish | liable: does it do realtime weather? |
| 01:46.01 | liable | thingfish: you can trial it too |
| 01:46.08 | tclover | ÔÕÔ ÅÓÔØ ÎÏÒÍÁÌØÎÙÅ ÌÀÄÉ, ËÏÔÏÒÙÅ ÒÁÚÇÏ×ÁÒÉ×ÁÀÔ ÎÁ ÒÕÓÓËÏÍ ÑÚÙËÅ? |
| 01:46.10 | liable | thingfish: i believe it does actually |
| 01:46.12 | marc7 | pipeline: thanks, appreciate it. I'm still trying to catch up on all the debian intricacies/best-practices... trying to figure out which is the best approach so I don't get yelled at in the future. |
| 01:46.19 | liable | tclover: english |
| 01:46.22 | thingfish | liable: then it might be cool actually. |
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| 01:46.31 | ludovicus | so no more nvidia graphics acceleration? or besides using proprietary drivers... is there a way to get it going in etch? |
| 01:46.42 | tclover | liable heh |
| 01:46.51 | thingfish | ludovicus dear what sort of troubles are you having? |
| 01:46.53 | liable | thats better :) |
| 01:46.59 | thingfish | oh etch. |
| 01:47.10 | pipeline | marc7: Getting the source package and building it on stable is the Approved Method. |
| 01:47.14 | zamaliphe | how to check the memory loading for etch program ? |
| 01:47.19 | thingfish | ludovicus: if you're good enough to run etch, you're good enough to figure out your own dilemmas. |
| 01:47.20 | pipeline | marc7: IT will probably require modifications |
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| 01:47.39 | gravity | zamaliphe: Uh... top I think? |
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| 01:48.08 | marc7 | totally expected, not even expecting this patch to apply cleanly. I'll give it my all. |
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| 01:49.16 | zamaliphe | gravity: yes thanks |
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| 01:56.30 | thingfish | dropline neu icons are sweet |
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| 02:02.46 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:02.46 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:03.12 | thingfish | !chocolate moo |
| 02:03.18 | thingfish | :/ |
| 02:05.55 | thingfish | you know, the worst thing about death is you have to go to the person's funeral. |
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| 02:06.35 | thingfish | it would really be more convenient if people would just stay alive. |
| 02:06.36 | n0t_flan | This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. :( |
| 02:06.56 | n0t_flan | 'Towuld. |
| 02:06.59 | n0t_flan | -typo |
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| 02:07.48 | nse | is there a way to read .ratDVD files? |
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| 02:10.38 | javier | sorry, I need a sample of VPN, where i find this? |
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| 02:11.18 | lotuspaq | a ver me estoy muriendo con el siguiente bug del a2ps que antes no tenia |
| 02:11.25 | amphi | !es |
| 02:11.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:11.41 | lotuspaq | oppps |
| 02:11.46 | lotuspaq | sorry |
| 02:11.59 | thingfish | lotuspaq: amigo mio, do this: /join #debian-es |
| 02:12.25 | thingfish | porque no queremos que usted muera. |
| 02:12.33 | thingfish | ? |
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| 02:13.23 | thingfish | kriel: don't be ashamed. |
| 02:13.38 | lotuspaq | thingfish, no problem iwas on the irc 10 years ago |
| 02:13.49 | lotuspaq | or more |
| 02:13.50 | kriel | okay... anybody know why i'm getting a 'gtk-warning: cannot open display' after trying to install gnome from scratch? |
| 02:13.57 | thingfish | not me, I just started irc about 3 years ago. |
| 02:14.06 | kriel | thingfish: it's not as much shame as it is fair warning. ;P |
| 02:14.08 | denmaeth | always a pallbearer never the~ woops wrong saying |
| 02:14.15 | thingfish | hehe kriel |
| 02:14.23 | netgod | denmaeth: heh |
| 02:14.53 | thingfish | kriel: what do you mean, from scratch? did you do the debian-installer base install, now you're adding on? |
| 02:15.17 | kriel | thingfish: yup. the only thing i've done so far is 'apt-get install gnome' |
| 02:15.37 | thingfish | oh well kriel you'll need an x-window-system. |
| 02:15.51 | thingfish | kriel: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 02:15.56 | kriel | thingfish: tried installing... x-window...you people are reading my mind!! Xx; -hides brain- |
| 02:15.59 | lotuspaq | any a2ps guru here? |
| 02:16.08 | zeug | is it possible to run dhcpd on a secondary interface, such as "eth0:1"? I get the error in /var/log/syslog when i start it: no subnet declaration for eth0:1, and it ignores it. |
| 02:16.11 | kriel | thingfish: ... i actually did... uhm... apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 02:16.40 | thingfish | kriel: ok then aptitude install gdm |
| 02:17.13 | kriel | thingfish: never heard of aptitude... is that another name for apt-get ? |
| 02:17.29 | thingfish | kriel: no, it's like the love child of apt-get. |
| 02:17.40 | john | i think aptitude is like.. a graphical version or something.. kinda. |
| 02:17.41 | thingfish | it's official, don't worry. :) |
| 02:17.53 | thingfish | or the godparent, maybe. |
| 02:17.54 | john | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.01 | kriel | thingfish: ... -gets a really blank naieve look- |
| 02:18.06 | john | okay, text based.. but still! |
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| 02:18.46 | john | and synaptic is the gui version i think. |
| 02:19.07 | thingfish | synaptic is sweet, use it if you prefer gui. |
| 02:19.15 | kriel | okay. i'll be back in a few. have to switch computers... |
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| 02:19.47 | nse | what to do when we want to change the mouse cursors for x? |
| 02:19.51 | abrotman | gnome-apt! |
| 02:19.56 | kriel | thingfish: ... i'd actually prefer just a 'console' button in the middle of a blank gui screen, but... uh... it's hard to find programs for it. |
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| 02:20.51 | kriel | neh. in any case, brb. |
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| 02:24.46 | rockstar_ | Has anyone done the whoel 32bit chroot in a 64bit system. |
| 02:25.26 | abrotman | many people |
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| 02:25.58 | thingfish | rockstar_: /join #plenty-of-money |
| 02:26.24 | rockstar_ | thingfish : What? |
| 02:26.30 | thingfish | :/ |
| 02:26.47 | n0t_flan | Can I join, too? |
| 02:27.45 | n0t_flan | Wait... Why would you want to cripple a 64-bit system by enabling 32-bit extensions? |
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| 02:28.30 | lastnode | what's the best way to make an application load at startup? |
| 02:28.32 | lastnode | i want tpb to load |
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| 02:29.37 | gravity | lastnode: I'd check the /usr/share/doc/tpb for documents that might explain how to do that easily |
| 02:30.06 | rockstar_ | n0t_flan : No mplayer, no flash in firefox. Just a few things that aren't ported to 64-bit yet. |
| 02:30.21 | thingfish | n0t_flan: well sure you can, providing your bank account passes initial scrutiny. |
| 02:30.26 | n0t_flan | mplayer has been ported. Flash is proprietary and overrated. |
| 02:30.42 | thingfish | flash is good for nothing except intrusive ads. |
| 02:30.58 | n0t_flan | And crazy memory leaks. |
| 02:31.03 | lastnode | gravity: it doesn't really say. is there a file i can add to? |
| 02:31.05 | n0t_flan | And wasted CPU cycles/ |
| 02:31.25 | thingfish | yeah it's useless trash no matter how you look at is. |
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| 02:31.43 | thingfish | I mean how much more pleasant the internet is without it. |
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| 02:32.00 | rockstar_ | n0t_flan : Are you yet another linux elitest? I use a proprietary video card driver, I'm going to HELL? AAAAHHHH! |
| 02:32.14 | n0t_flan | I use the nvidia driver. |
| 02:32.24 | rockstar_ | thingfish : That's why you get the flashblock firefox extension. Flash brings google video to you. |
| 02:32.30 | n0t_flan | nVidia actually tries to support those who need help. |
| 02:32.37 | thingfish | the matter of your going to hell is a separate topic, my boy. ;) |
| 02:32.47 | n0t_flan | Macromedia says "screw you, potential users." |
| 02:33.16 | Misogynist | What I find is funny is that Macromedia, a few years ago, pledged amazing Linux support and never delivered on any of it. |
| 02:33.19 | n0t_flan | rockstar_, Google's video service has a download link. |
| 02:33.21 | n0t_flan | Use that. |
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| 02:33.32 | Misogynist | They said they would do their damnedest to ensure that all their applications run in Wine |
| 02:33.33 | rockstar_ | n0t_flan : And I say, screw anyone unless they can provide me a better alternative. |
| 02:33.39 | Misogynist | Then, if there was a demand, they would create native versions |
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| 02:33.45 | rockstar_ | n0t_flan : I'm not downloading anything I can't see first. |
| 02:34.07 | n0t_flan | rockstar_, aren't you downloading it twice by using a Flash interface? |
| 02:34.25 | rockstar_ | Regardless, if you guys want to be one of the RTFM elitests, I don't really want to talk to you. I just need to figure out why my sound isn't working. |
| 02:34.43 | n0t_flan | What do you know about your soundcard? |
| 02:34.58 | rockstar_ | It works through everything but firefox-flash |
| 02:35.03 | n0t_flan | And nobody here has said anything about the much-beloved manual. |
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| 02:35.54 | rockstar_ | n0t_flan : Figure of speech. |
| 02:35.56 | jgould | I am having issues getting my printer to work, I have set SAMBA and CUPS up so that I can print off of the linux box, but I can't get the premission right to print from the XP laptop. Any ideas? |
| 02:35.58 | n0t_flan | If Macromedia's current Flash player is anything like their 6.x line for ia32, it uses OSS. |
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| 02:36.54 | n0t_flan | Based on what I've heard in this channel, typing 'aoss firefox' should do something. |
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| 02:37.03 | jgould | Windows tells me "Access is denied, unable to connect' |
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| 02:37.40 | rockstar_ | jgould : Do you have your account permissions set properly? |
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| 02:37.57 | jgould | which and where? |
| 02:39.18 | rockstar_ | On the print server machine. |
| 02:39.41 | rockstar_ | n0t_flan : Thanks. Installation of alsa-oss in the chroot seems to have it going. Awesome, thanks. |
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| 02:40.33 | jgould | I've been at this since 6pm ish, where on the server do I look at these premission? |
| 02:41.40 | rockstar_ | Shoot, create a user just for your windows system. Call it windows, and then add it to your "lp" group. |
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| 02:42.22 | belracu | How can i relay all the mails for "example.com" to two Local Internal Mail servers. One acting as a backup server???? |
| 02:42.25 | rockstar_ | Anyone seen the new "Elephant's Dream" movie? |
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| 02:42.44 | jgould | Isn't their a way to sync my windows acct to my server acct |
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| 02:45.13 | dondelelcaro | stew: a decision has been made now, yes. |
| 02:45.23 | stew | dondelelcaro: yeah, i've seen since |
| 02:45.25 | setog3 | Rockj: I see the movue |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | decision? |
| 02:46.05 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: on where i.d.o points |
| 02:46.09 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:46.14 | abrotman | kind of thought so |
| 02:47.07 | stew | my d-d-a subscription must have gone away or something, i still haven't gotten the email |
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| 02:47.21 | cheal | stew: same for me |
| 02:47.42 | cheal | I believe it's just usual lists lag |
| 02:47.56 | stew | i've gotten lots of other listmail |
| 02:49.02 | stew | dondelelcaro: how about some topic maintenence? maybe ditch the DEBCONF stuff and move http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable to either Status or Status/Unstable i prefer status becuase it also would cover DSAs like the recent 2.4.18 dsa |
| 02:49.37 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:49.59 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 02:50.08 | stew | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:50.18 | cheal | hah, 2.4.18 DSA |
| 02:50.19 | cheal | wow |
| 02:50.28 | dondelelcaro | stew: np |
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| 02:50.40 | stew | there was 2.4.16 as well which i don't understand, since its not in any release |
| 02:50.55 | kspath | I "love" how a channel has to put in it's topic that it is not another channel. |
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| 02:51.21 | abrotman | stew: different arch |
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| 02:52.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: will oftc really be able to handle a full #debian? |
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| 02:53.02 | Gimp_ | how do i change the default folder for a user in ftp-server ? |
| 02:53.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the netops say that it will |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and eh .. what if it can't? |
| 02:53.25 | liable | it breaks? :) |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | i mean ... is there a contingency plan? |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | like .. switching DNS back? |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | hi damog |
| 02:54.29 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: we don't have all that many people; having #debian there won't be a very big deal. |
| 02:54.34 | damog | abrotman: Hey, there. |
| 02:54.42 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it definetly won't have any more issues that FN has |
| 02:54.55 | cheal | kspath: heh. it's bob2's idea |
| 02:55.08 | dondelelcaro | that being said, it's not like much is going to change unless you're someone who connects to irc.debian.org |
| 02:55.15 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: eh .. i guess based on april fool's .. i'm skeptical :) |
| 02:55.35 | gravity | I actually do connect to irc.debian.org. I'm going to have to update my configs |
| 02:56.05 | stew | i should actually setup some configs instead of doing it all by hand whenever i do actually /quit :) |
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| 02:58.15 | cheal | the security team is on fire (and it's really a team now)! |
| 02:58.45 | belracu | How can i setup Postfix relay all the mails for "example.com" to two Local Internal Mail servers. One acting as a backup server???? |
| 03:00.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I think they handled it... but that was more of a case of someone setting up a dos... |
| 03:01.12 | stew | cheal: yeah, i'm guessing some people got busy in .mx, hopefully it will keep up though |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah .. i saw various blogs/logs |
| 03:01.39 | stew | cheal: not only have there been many DSAs but many have been fixing many bugs each |
| 03:02.17 | cheal | stew: sorry to repeat, but...you intend to keep updating those two pages (Status and Status/Stable) each DSA :? |
| 03:02.38 | stew | cheal: i do, but you should please jump in an update if I lag behind! |
| 03:02.53 | cheal | stew: no surprise... |
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| 03:04.59 | cheal | stew: I don't intend to help, unless you help me understand the point of keeping that page up-to-date. of course, it's not my time and you're free, but I find it strange. how many /how old DSA to you plan to keep on Status? |
| 03:05.06 | Gimp_ | how do i change the default folder for a user in ftpd? |
| 03:06.12 | stew | cheal: i've been keeping a week's worth. i just think it is nice to have one page that gives an overview of issues affecting all 3 releases, and to have individual pages that show details of common problems |
| 03:07.15 | cheal | stew: on the other hand, we don't keep track of security updates for other releases. |
| 03:07.37 | stew | cheal: there haven't been security updates for other releases |
| 03:08.51 | cheal | stew: well, there's no repository where all security fixes go like for stable for testing/unstable, but there are still security updates |
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| 03:09.16 | Serinity | Hi everyone :) |
| 03:09.40 | dondelelcaro | cheal: unstable fixes just get uploaded; testing fixes go into testing security. |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | or flow from sid ? |
| 03:09.57 | Serinity | Allright, I now got VERY tired of firefox that keeps on crashing, it's worse than internet explorer !!!! Any suggestion for something else ? |
| 03:10.00 | stew | cheal: testing has had 4 updates since sarge released and all of them have been superceded by newer versions from unstable |
| 03:10.02 | cheal | dondelelcaro: as abrotman says |
| 03:10.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: right; I'm just talking about how they can go direct. |
| 03:10.28 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:10.41 | sgeigerbot | Am I dreaming, or is there a way to specify on the command line a command to run in screen such that a screen process will be created but you will not be inside it? For example, "screen /tmp/goo" (or something like that) would run /tmp/goo inside of screen. You could, say, run that from a script. Anyone have ideas on a way to do something similar? It doesn't have to be screen. |
| 03:10.42 | dondelelcaro | (well, semi-direct; it's possible to also upload to testing-updates, but that queue almost never gets processed) |
| 03:10.56 | sgeigerbot | I guess there's nohup...but I wanted screen. |
| 03:11.07 | servus | sgeigerbot: Often you can do gaim -screen :1 |
| 03:11.24 | sgeigerbot | servus: I don't think you understand. |
| 03:11.25 | servus | sgeigerbot: Or you can try setting the SCREEN environment variable |
| 03:11.30 | cheal | stew: anyway, what I find more strange is that I don't see much relation between security updates and the most important breakages in each release |
| 03:11.52 | sgeigerbot | servus: I want to run command-line commands. |
| 03:12.06 | stew | cheal: are there issues affecting any of the releases that you think i'm overlooking? |
| 03:12.26 | sgeigerbot | servus: do you know about /usr/bin/screen? It doesn't sound as if you do. |
| 03:12.36 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: screen -dm -s foo; should do something like that. |
| 03:12.51 | servus | I'm running "screen" right now. |
| 03:12.51 | dondelelcaro | nohup is probably better though |
| 03:12.56 | zenwryly | I'm having a problem installing any linux-image-2.6-* kernel and its very strange. I'll paste it. |
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| 03:13.03 | cheal | stew: not really, but I didn't think about that yet. I'm just talking about the pertinence of putting normal DSAs on that page |
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| 03:13.07 | zenwryly | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2608 |
| 03:13.08 | jgould | If I post my smb.conf file can some one look at it and help me figure out why I can't print to my printer on my server |
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| 03:13.40 | cheal | stew: I would agree to document the breakage caused by DSAs in that page, but I don't see the point of updating it each "normal" DSA |
| 03:14.00 | cheal | (for example, the Firefox breakage there was some time ago) |
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| 03:14.13 | zenwryly | If I run "dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.*.deb" I get the same wierd unexplained "Ok, aborting" message |
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| 03:15.49 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: the preinst failed for some reason |
| 03:16.08 | Thanatermesis | why my thunderbir don't opens the "mailto:" links on websites but yes evolution ? (i don't use gnome/kde) |
| 03:16.13 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: any idea how I can get more information from the preinst? |
| 03:16.33 | Thanatermesis | sounds fun to firefox don't send the signal to thunderbird but to evolution, hehe |
| 03:16.37 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: unpack the package in quesiton, add a set -x to it |
| 03:16.59 | jgould | My smb.conf is at : http://pastebin.com/732394 I'm stumped |
| 03:17.18 | Thanatermesis | exist any /etc/alternatives for the email stuff ? |
| 03:17.21 | cheal | hehe, the last DSA for woody's 2.4.19 was on 2006-04-09 ^_^ |
| 03:17.30 | cheal | uh, 2004-04-09 |
| 03:17.37 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: no |
| 03:17.47 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: well, not for /usr/sbin/sendmail anyway |
| 03:17.51 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: I can't unpack it with "dpkg --unpack" and what do you mean "set -x" to it? |
| 03:17.56 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 03:18.22 | Thanatermesis | and how i can define to use my thunderbird when i have a mailto: link ? |
| 03:18.40 | stew | zenwryly: add set -x to the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.preinst |
| 03:18.51 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: dpkg-deb -x foopkg; dpkg-deb -e foopkg.deb foo-; $EDITOR foo-/DEBIAN/preinst, add -x; dpkg-deb -b foo-; dpkg -i foopkg.deb; |
| 03:19.29 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro, stew: thanks |
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| 03:19.51 | dondelelcaro | (directories changed to protet the innocent) |
| 03:20.20 | stew | nobody is innocent |
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| 03:21.08 | jgould | *Grumble* |
| 03:21.32 | mustard__ | I'm trying to install either udev or yaird via a chroot environment and I'm gettinga /dev/null permission denied error..how do I get around this? |
| 03:21.42 | abrotman | or maybe he is .. and i shouldn't say anything |
| 03:21.57 | mustard__ | I've got a hanging problem at startup atm an etch..with waiting for root filesystem |
| 03:22.19 | mustard__ | word is that its related to initramfs or something like that |
| 03:22.36 | mustard__ | and that I either need to upgrade udev or install yaird |
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| 03:23.27 | stew | jgould: take photos |
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| 03:24.02 | stew | jgould: have you asked in #samba ? |
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| 03:24.16 | jgould | Didn't know it existed |
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| 03:27.58 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ide_detect' returned no results. |
| 03:28.06 | mosty | i'm trying to figure out why kphone can't access my sound card as a user but can as root. the user is in the audio group, and /dev/dsp /dev/audio are both rw audio. what other files do i need to check? mpg123/mplayer play sound fine as the user :/ |
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| 03:28.51 | nse | mosty: what's the error message you are receiving? |
| 03:29.35 | stew | !piav |
| 03:29.35 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 03:29.39 | mosty | nse: lots of alsa lib errors, the first is ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' |
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| 03:31.18 | liable | jgould: have you tried doing it with ipp? just have cups network the printer and let windows print to a network printer? |
| 03:31.23 | coywolf | can I use yum on debian? |
| 03:31.24 | Supaplex | mosty: did said user relogin since they were added to audio? |
| 03:31.25 | stephan__ | im trying to install the latest kernel...but i need to update my apt-list.....i dont have x or ill just google it...how to i add unstable to it |
| 03:31.26 | coywolf | !yum |
| 03:31.47 | gravity | coywolf: Why would you want to? |
| 03:32.12 | mosty | supaplex: yes, i put the user in the audio group about 2 years ago. the user can play sound fine from other applications |
| 03:32.22 | coywolf | gravity, can yum and apt co-exist? i want to install some old version gcc from centos |
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| 03:32.31 | gravity | coywolf: I have no idea |
| 03:32.32 | Supaplex | try strace -e open (or man strace) |
| 03:33.41 | stew | coywolf: exactly what version of gcc are you after, and what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:34.01 | coywolf | stew, i run sid, i want gcc 3.2 or 3.4 |
| 03:34.17 | stew | coywolf: apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
| 03:34.22 | mosty | supaplex: wow, kphone is doing a hell of a lot even when it's doing nothing ;) |
| 03:34.36 | coywolf | stew, i also need binutils 2.15 |
| 03:34.36 | liable | jgould: i can paste my cupsd.conf if you want to try it |
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| 03:34.42 | Supaplex | coywolf: try !yum again. :) |
| 03:34.46 | stephan__ | can someone tell me how to add unstable to the source list for apt-get |
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| 03:34.55 | coywolf | !yum |
| 03:35.11 | mosty | stephan: are you doing a dist upgrade to unstable? |
| 03:35.18 | Supaplex | stephan__: no. we don't support testing or unstable. |
| 03:35.23 | katie_ | is there a wrapper for scanners like there is for wireless cards? |
| 03:35.39 | stephan__ | mosty....i just want to installed kernel 2.6.15 |
| 03:35.42 | coywolf | !tell Supaplex yum |
| 03:35.42 | Supaplex | !sane |
| 03:35.42 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 03:35.48 | stew | coywolf: that i dont' know about for unstable. however both are available in stable, can you do what you need to do in a stable chroot? |
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| 03:36.22 | katie_ | Supaplex: my scannerf is listed as unsupported |
| 03:36.49 | Supaplex | katie_: there's little recourse for unsupported hardware. |
| 03:36.51 | mosty | stephan: use http://www.backports.org/ instead |
| 03:37.03 | katie_ | is there a way to take the mac os or windows driver and wrap it? |
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| 03:37.28 | stephan__ | mosty, i dont have X set up yet |
| 03:37.39 | coywolf | !tell Supaplex about yum |
| 03:37.57 | Supaplex | I don't use yum. I have apt. |
| 03:37.59 | mosty | stephan: well set that up first then |
| 03:38.23 | stew | stephan__: what version of debian are you currently running? |
| 03:38.33 | coywolf | stew, is it easy to install a chroot stable? |
| 03:38.39 | stephan__ | stew..3.2 sarge |
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| 03:39.09 | stephan__ | i just wanna install the latest kernel :/ |
| 03:39.13 | Supaplex | does usb-storage support firewire drives to? (if not, what does?) |
| 03:39.14 | stew | stephan__: you really don't want to install testing/unstable packages onto stable, instead use a backport: /msg dpkg backports ; backports.org has a 2.6.16 kernel compiled for stable |
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| 03:39.27 | stew | coywolf: yes, its just a matter of running debootstrap, /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 03:39.42 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.44 | stephan__ | stew, oh ok i see |
| 03:40.26 | coywolf | stew, my purpose is to do some rhel work in debian |
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| 03:40.58 | katie_ | i dont understand why my scanner isnt supported its been around for like 5 years... |
| 03:41.00 | tohsH | whats the command to enable shell scripts? |
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| 03:41.05 | stephan__ | stew, can i get a backport with apt-get? |
| 03:41.12 | servus | coywolf: apt-cache show yum |
| 03:41.18 | stew | stephan__: yeah. http:/backports.org/instructions.html |
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| 03:41.26 | servus | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.29 | stephan__ | stew, i dont have x :/ |
| 03:41.45 | coywolf | servus, i mean can yum and apt co-exist? |
| 03:41.53 | tohsH | Can someone please tell me the command to enable shell scripts? |
| 03:41.54 | Supaplex | !beer jgould |
| 03:42.03 | servus | Also look into apt-cache show alien for proper RPM management on Debian. Alien can convert RPM's to DEB's. |
| 03:42.04 | stew | stephan__: apt-get install w3m; w3m http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 03:42.13 | jgould | thank you |
| 03:42.21 | stew | tohsH: be more specific |
| 03:42.24 | servus | coywolf: No guarantees, but Alien seems pretty decent. |
| 03:42.29 | dove_soup | hey what's the easiest way to detect a sound card.. find out what it is.. and install it? as far as commands? |
| 03:42.41 | stew | dove_soup: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 03:42.52 | Euphidime | Sorry if this has been asked before, I googled my problem and I can't seem to find anything: I'm not sure at what point this happened, but sh/bash on my Dedicated linux server stopped working. Whenever I try to run a shell script, It outputs several errors like ": command not found 3:", "line 22: syntax error near unexpected token `{". This is with all shell scripts, so I know it's not a problem with the script. |
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| 03:43.06 | tohsH | I want to enable shell scripts in a certain folder, i know its chmod <file> +x for a file, but want to enable them in the whole folder. |
| 03:43.07 | dove_soup | stew: something old you'll probalby think.. 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:43.10 | liable | jgould: try this http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html#permission |
| 03:43.15 | stew | dove_soup: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 03:43.19 | servus | !tell dove_soup alsa-checklist |
| 03:43.27 | Kevin` | would it cause any problems to remove the packages for the kernel and modules? |
| 03:44.06 | stew | tohsH: "chmod +x *", but you should really make sure you want all files in that folder to be executable |
| 03:44.22 | dove_soup | stew: dude... amazing, thank you so much |
| 03:44.32 | stew | dove_soup: you're welcome! |
| 03:44.42 | stew | Kevin`: it would cause problems if its a kernel you are actually using |
| 03:44.43 | nse | Euphidime: how are you running the said scripts? |
| 03:44.46 | Euphidime | stew: TohsH and I are working on the same problem, sorry, we din't realize both of us went to #Debian, lol. Anyways, I just tried chmod +x and it didn't work, You can see my question for something more specific. |
| 03:44.53 | Euphidime | sh configure |
| 03:45.06 | Kevin` | stew other then that, not having one installed wouldn't cause any problems? |
| 03:45.21 | Euphidime | If I try ./configure, I get the following error: |
| 03:45.26 | Euphidime | : bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 03:45.54 | stew | Kevin`: its not required that the kernel you are running be from a debian package, but it is recommended. if you are compiling kernels by hand it is recommended that you use make-kpkg to build a .deb from it, /msg dpkg kp |
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| 03:46.11 | swim | is there a testing channel? |
| 03:46.13 | stew | Euphidime: what exactly does "file ./configure" return? |
| 03:46.21 | stephan__ | stew, thanks |
| 03:46.24 | stew | swim: as in debian testing aka etch? |
| 03:46.28 | nse | Euphidime: try bash configure |
| 03:46.29 | Euphidime | ./configure: Bourne-Again shell script text executable |
| 03:46.42 | Euphidime | bash configure yields the same results as sh configure |
| 03:46.42 | swim | stew, yes |
| 03:46.59 | stew | swim: this is it. welcome. |
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| 03:47.08 | nse | Euphidime: ah ok. i din't see you said up there |
| 03:47.21 | zenwryly | stew, dondelelcaro: I've got a linux-image directory with a linux-image/DEBIAN/preinst in it. I added "set -x" to the second line and built the package. Now dpkg -i gives me "syntax error at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 2, near "set -x" |
| 03:47.21 | zenwryly | "use" not allowed in expression at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 21, at end of line |
| 03:47.23 | zenwryly | " |
| 03:47.25 | stew | Euphidime: what does "head -1 ./configure" return? |
| 03:47.25 | swim | ok |
| 03:47.38 | swim | is rhythmbox broken in etch? |
| 03:47.38 | Euphidime | #!/bin/bash |
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| 03:48.02 | stew | Euphidime: what version of debian is this? |
| 03:48.09 | Euphidime | I'm not sure, how do I check? |
| 03:48.21 | tohsH | This is odd, because just yesterday we could run shell scripts, now it has restriced them on us. |
| 03:48.32 | stew | Euphidime: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 03:48.33 | nse | Euphidime: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:48.34 | ft | Euphidime: is that configure script a dos-style file? as in: line ends in "\r\n"? |
| 03:48.46 | Euphidime | ft: No |
| 03:48.47 | Andon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.49 | katie_ | how can they have drivers available for mac os x and not for debian? isnt mac os x unix based? |
| 03:48.52 | Andon | Typo :P |
| 03:48.55 | Euphidime | stew: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezon |
| 03:48.57 | tohsH | version 3.1 |
| 03:49.01 | tohsH | nse : version 3.1 |
| 03:49.04 | Euphidime | nse: 3.1 |
| 03:49.10 | tohsH | lol |
| 03:49.12 | Euphidime | <_< |
| 03:49.20 | tohsH | ill shaddup |
| 03:49.22 | tohsH | you can handle it |
| 03:49.33 | Euphidime | I'm sure it's a problem with the system and not the script, because the same exact script was working fine yesterday. |
| 03:49.35 | liable | katie_: you could try emailing them, it may not be a big deal to port them for linux |
| 03:49.48 | swim | does anyone know if rhythmbox is broken in etch? |
| 03:50.04 | katie_ | liable: was writing them as you spoke |
| 03:50.10 | liable | heh |
| 03:50.18 | stew | Euphidime: ft probably is on the likely right track, /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 03:50.22 | stew | bedtime for stew |
| 03:50.37 | stew | "likely right track" <- nice stew |
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| 03:50.59 | Euphidime | -bash: dos2unix: command not found |
| 03:51.16 | servus | Euphidime: apt-get install sysutils |
| 03:51.20 | Euphidime | Thank you |
| 03:51.36 | Euphidime | Aha |
| 03:51.37 | Euphidime | it works |
| 03:51.40 | Euphidime | ... Weird |
| 03:51.43 | tohsH | lol |
| 03:51.44 | tohsH | nice |
| 03:51.45 | Euphidime | Thank you everyone. |
| 03:51.49 | tohsH | thanks guys |
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| 03:53.09 | seek | i have loaded mysql but now can not find it where do I look to open mysql admin |
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| 03:54.16 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: oh, it's probably written in perl, not bash. |
| 03:54.25 | Erudified | god I <3 sqlite |
| 03:55.02 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: yeah it is |
| 03:55.56 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: yeah, in that case make the first line #!/usr/bin/perl -d and then PERLDB_OPTS="NonStop AutoTrace" dpkg -i foopkg.deb |
| 03:56.03 | bztunk | .lastlog zenwryly |
| 03:56.05 | bztunk | :( |
| 03:56.31 | sussudio_ | !do bztunk |
| 03:56.43 | zenwryly | bztunk: ? I don't understand. |
| 03:57.08 | swim | ok let me try this question: |
| 03:57.12 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: PERLDB_OPTS... is on the line after the shebang? |
| 03:57.12 | bztunk | zenwryly: that was a typo heh, you probably never used irssi heh |
| 03:57.18 | swim | does anyone use Rhythmbox on Etch? |
| 03:57.25 | zenwryly | bztunk: ah :) nope |
| 03:58.11 | Kevin` | why do recent versions of the linux kernel (archive) have all files world writable |
| 03:58.29 | Erudified | hahaha |
| 03:58.35 | Erudified | whats up with the fight at debconf? |
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| 03:59.30 | sanmarcos | Erudified, fight? |
| 03:59.31 | sanmarcos | where |
| 03:59.32 | sanmarcos | video? |
| 03:59.37 | bztunk | yeah video please |
| 03:59.50 | sanmarcos | what is the equivalent of unix exit in DOS? |
| 03:59.54 | MidgetSpy | hey guys, I'm running sarge with Gnome and when I try to change my resolution only certain refresh rates are selectable even though I know my monitor supports higher ones. how can I force a certain rate? |
| 03:59.56 | Erudified | I dunno man |
| 04:00.06 | Erudified | It was a debian gathering, so 'fight' may be used loosely |
| 04:00.38 | bztunk | you mean people got slapped? |
| 04:00.41 | Erudified | for all I know someone suggested in a somewhat impolite way that another individuals' beard might not be up to the prevailing standards |
| 04:00.42 | bztunk | VIDEO PLEASE |
| 04:01.22 | Erudified | I have this information on the highest authority |
| 04:01.23 | Erudified | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=186405&cid=15384664 |
| 04:01.27 | Erudified | his uid is well below 60k |
| 04:01.32 | Kevin` | lol |
| 04:02.06 | nse | MidgetSpy: you have to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set x to use the other resolution that you know your monitor is capable |
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| 04:02.17 | sanmarcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.25 | Kevin` | exit |
| 04:02.40 | nse | MidgetSpy: take care that you moght ask which resolution you DO NOT want x to use |
| 04:02.47 | nse | *it might ask |
| 04:03.08 | MidgetSpy | nse: thanks! |
| 04:03.13 | nse | np |
| 04:04.16 | shogunx | sanmarcos, off button? |
| 04:04.23 | sanmarcos | funny |
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| 04:05.42 | nse | MidgetSpy: don't forget to restart x for the changes to be applied. you can do this with ctrl+ alt + backspace |
| 04:05.52 | shogunx | speed true, sweet arrow. |
| 04:06.30 | MidgetSpy | nse: ok thanks, I'll try it right now |
| 04:07.09 | Erudified | wow, man |
| 04:07.21 | Erudified | it seems that this ted walthers guy brought a hooker to the conference and everyone got all pissy |
| 04:07.34 | Erudified | he should've brought more |
| 04:07.49 | gravity | She apparently wasn't a hooker |
| 04:07.49 | bztunk | i want to know more about the fight :( |
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| 04:08.21 | shogunx | Erudified, i'm getting a 404 from /. on that link. |
| 04:08.26 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 04:08.34 | bztunk | wow everyone watch out K|NgGh0sT is in the building! |
| 04:08.34 | Erudified | it sucks anyways shogunx |
| 04:08.50 | leminhteo | i uant to setup clustering for my debian os |
| 04:08.54 | leminhteo | how can i do it |
| 04:08.56 | leminhteo | pls help me |
| 04:08.59 | bztunk | no. |
| 04:09.37 | bronze | leminhteo: its easy, start by assembling your hardware |
| 04:09.52 | Erudified | after a bit of introspection, this ted walthers guy might just be my hero |
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| 04:10.09 | BarryAllen | hi all |
| 04:10.10 | Erudified | http://reactor-core.org/%7Edjw/myblog/archives/2006/05/18/T22_36_05/ |
| 04:10.12 | Erudified | look at this guy |
| 04:10.19 | BarryAllen | my etch box downs after a apt-get upgrade |
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| 04:10.39 | BarryAllen | it fail on bootup :( |
| 04:11.11 | bztunk | The Pope is assaulted. Several acts of rudeness and aggression were committed against myself and my guest, a local businessperson. I'm going to wait until tomorrow to see how Debian responds to this inappropriate behavior. If it is resolved to my satisfaction, I'll see no need to name names or post the details in public. |
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| 04:11.21 | bztunk | haha wtf |
| 04:11.41 | Erudified | hahahah I know right? |
| 04:11.53 | jgould | ?? |
| 04:12.07 | leminhteo | borzen: i want to setup two computer, one is primary and one is backup |
| 04:12.08 | Erudified | imagine the shame that would arise out of it becoming publicly known that you mildly upset that dude |
| 04:12.12 | BarryAllen | the system stall with the message: Begin: Wainting for root filesystem |
| 04:12.21 | Erudified | its enough to make you just lay down your head and cry |
| 04:12.24 | gravity | Debian has already responded |
| 04:12.53 | gravity | More than a day ago |
| 04:12.59 | Erudified | gravity, omg url plz thx |
| 04:13.08 | gravity | Erudified: -private |
| 04:13.38 | SonnyBurnett | a nice program to unpack files? like winrar? Is ii posisble to add a function unpack here in the right clic menu of krusader? |
| 04:13.43 | bztunk | i also want the url :( |
| 04:13.53 | gravity | Erudified: It's in debian-private |
| 04:14.01 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: first become a DD, then you can read the archives. |
| 04:14.02 | gravity | As in, not open to non-developers |
| 04:14.12 | Erudified | ahh |
| 04:14.20 | Erudified | well I guess I'll just fellate myself then |
| 04:14.22 | gravity | So the issue has been handled |
| 04:14.23 | Stevie | yay! I updated the firmware on my dvd burner and now it burns to the dvds I bought |
| 04:14.51 | sgeigerbot | SonnyBurnett: My favorite unpacker is a command-line utility called "unp" |
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| 04:17.11 | BarryAllen | i dont know why i still be "tester" of that :/ |
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| 04:17.58 | SonnyBurnett | I want a front end.. soemthing graphic |
| 04:18.07 | SonnyBurnett | sgeigerbot, I want a front end.. soemthing graphic |
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| 04:18.30 | bztunk | SonnyBurnett: im sure there is something available for kde, ask #kde |
| 04:19.09 | nse | SonnyBurnett: for kde you shall use ark |
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| 04:24.52 | swim | does anyone use Rhythmbox on Etch? |
| 04:24.53 | foo | I am having some nfs problems. This is the second/third time in the past few days. Basically, on my nfs client, I see this in my logs: May 22 21:19:02 localhost kernel: nfs: server 192.168.0.2 not responding, still trying ... what I do is get root, umount the filesystem (sometimes I need to attempt several times) ... then I remount, and it works. Any ideas on what causes this? |
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| 04:26.25 | BlackJudas | I need a little help with the nvidia glx module :s, kinda lengthy as I'm not a noob with it, just can't figure out what I screwed up by going from the nvidia package to the debian and then back to the nvidia ;) (oh I can feel the hate train leaving the station already) |
| 04:26.31 | brammator | how to fix "buffering packet 3022 (expecting 3021, lost or reordered)" on pptp? "iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --set-mss 1200" helps but not totally |
| 04:26.34 | swim | I cant find any music manager/player that will run in etch! |
| 04:27.08 | bztunk | swim: try moc for some command line fun |
| 04:27.17 | bztunk | swim: (with a text gui) |
| 04:27.26 | Gary | :) |
| 04:27.37 | Serinity | A question, /proc/cpuinfo shows up 800 Mhz on my laptop... where it is twice this ! any idea of what this could come from ? |
| 04:27.54 | Serinity | acpi ? |
| 04:27.58 | bztunk | Serinity: power management |
| 04:27.58 | gravity | swim: I like quodlibet quite a bit |
| 04:28.24 | Serinity | bztunk, and so it's really at 800 or it only shows this |
| 04:28.25 | Serinity | ? |
| 04:28.40 | swim | the problem is, rhythmbox locks up on start up, gmusicbrowser wont play, listen wont start... ! its driving me nuts |
| 04:28.40 | bztunk | Serinity: it's probably really at 800mhz |
| 04:28.43 | amphi | Serinity: cpufreq? |
| 04:28.58 | bztunk | Serinity: and it will upscale itself under load |
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| 04:29.16 | amphi | Serinity: my 1.6GHz is reported as 599MHz ATM ;) |
| 04:29.19 | Serinity | bztunk, oh... |
| 04:29.25 | BlackJudas | ok then... where should the driver modules be stored for xorg 7 |
| 04:29.26 | SonnyBurnett | sgeigerbot, How do you tell unp to unpack a file inside a directory with the same name? |
| 04:29.35 | Serinity | amphi, the package you mean ? |
| 04:29.53 | amphi | Serinity: no, cpu frequency scaling |
| 04:30.17 | Serinity | What;s a good package to use a lot of cpu ressources ? i want to see if it changes on load |
| 04:30.38 | amphi | Serinity: povray ;) |
| 04:30.43 | Serinity | lol |
| 04:30.45 | Serinity | :) |
| 04:31.04 | Serinity | X should already do it :P |
| 04:31.13 | amphi | Serinity: X? why? |
| 04:31.21 | bztunk | while true; do echo test; done |
| 04:31.22 | sanmarcos | can you use Rsync with a windows shell? |
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| 04:31.27 | Serinity | because X is a real ressource waste |
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| 04:31.36 | bztunk | no it's not |
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| 04:31.41 | Serinity | bztunk, good idea |
| 04:31.55 | blkjsus | bless your soul child |
| 04:32.00 | Serinity | sorry, it's a waste on memory |
| 04:32.08 | blkjsus | what a worthwhile debate. |
| 04:32.14 | blkjsus | i can think of nothing more exciting. |
| 04:32.17 | amphi | Serinity: no it isn't |
| 04:32.38 | Serinity | yes ! you were right |
| 04:32.43 | Serinity | 1800 Mhz |
| 04:33.24 | Serinity | glxgears also |
| 04:33.39 | Serinity | amphi, if you say so |
| 04:34.07 | blkjsus | i think you all need to smoke a bowl |
| 04:34.22 | Serinity | i need to go to bed :) |
| 04:34.24 | shogunx | blkjsus, pass that when you are done. |
| 04:34.25 | BlackJudas | blkjsus, Oh boy... so you think you can pwn me? Wanna take this outside? Let's dance.. etc etc etc :) (just being a troll plz ignore) |
| 04:34.30 | BlackJudas | btw nice name |
| 04:34.31 | Serinity | have a sweet night you all :) |
| 04:34.36 | blkjsus | damn |
| 04:35.07 | blkjsus | BlackJudas betrayed blkjsus by ratin' him out to the 5-0 |
| 04:35.35 | blkjsus | BlackJudas: yo my boy jsus be slangin some shit down in Jerusalizum |
| 04:35.55 | BlackJudas | heh |
| 04:36.01 | blkjsus | ok enough of that. |
| 04:36.13 | BlackJudas | you must play cs :) kinda fits the intelligence level |
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| 04:36.39 | blkjsus | not anymore |
| 04:37.02 | blkjsus | but yes i have been known to knife some mfers while they're trying to awp me |
| 04:37.20 | blkjsus | these days i spend most of my time painting watercolor |
| 04:37.23 | ccervante | hello ..I was trying to install bittorrent on my ppc but I get this rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian...what is alien? |
| 04:37.56 | Eulex | ccervante, umh, bittorrent is in debian, just apt-get install bittorrent |
| 04:38.01 | blkjsus | anyone know anything about accordians? |
| 04:38.18 | ccervante | ty eulex |
| 04:38.20 | blkjsus | the official bittorrent client? |
| 04:38.31 | blkjsus | isnt that a bit out dated |
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| 04:38.47 | n0t_flan | It still works. |
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| 04:39.01 | n0t_flan | bittornado's there, too, but I've never had to use it. |
| 04:39.01 | blkjsus | well i'm probably the fool using azureus java death machine |
| 04:39.26 | BlackJudas | mmmkay so wtf do I do when my system has the nvidia drivers installed (via the deb pkg) and I can't 3d accel ? :( |
| 04:39.31 | blkjsus | bitcomet is the one that falsifies upstream |
| 04:39.38 | blkjsus | but i dont think theres a linux version of that |
| 04:39.58 | Eulex | BlackJudas, you check your X config and log |
| 04:40.08 | blkjsus | i recall using the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 04:40.11 | Kevin` | good way to get banned automatically sounds like blkjsus |
| 04:40.12 | cheal | stew: lists are pretty strange. just got the irc.d.o mail, and a message which I had received a reply to several hours ago |
| 04:40.13 | blkjsus | they worked without stress |
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| 04:40.29 | blkjsus | kevin: MAN QUIT STRESSIN ME |
| 04:40.44 | blkjsus | my 440mx rules |
| 04:40.49 | Eulex | !tell blkjsus about nicktab |
| 04:40.51 | blkjsus | who needs an AGP slot |
| 04:40.56 | Eulex | hahahahaha, 440mx |
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| 04:41.27 | blkjsus | exciting. |
| 04:41.41 | blkjsus | Eulex: at least I can play cs $ |
| 04:41.44 | blkjsus | and deathmatch classic |
| 04:41.50 | n0t_flan | I've still got an underclocked Ge2 400MX. |
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| 04:42.10 | blkjsus | its simply not worth buying a computer to get an agp/pci-e slot |
| 04:42.29 | blkjsus | i would rather spend my money on accordions and coffee |
| 04:42.57 | BlackJudas | Eulex, looks all good, there are no warnings, or errors :s |
| 04:43.01 | blkjsus | besides new games are exactly like the old ones, they just look prettier |
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| 04:44.24 | Eulex | BlackJudas, and you're sure that you're actually using the nvidia driver and not some other driver? |
| 04:44.52 | BlackJudas | Eulex, yep, the nvidia logo comes up... all good... no 3d accel |
| 04:45.08 | blkjsus | i'd use the official installer |
| 04:45.12 | blkjsus | from nvidia.com |
| 04:45.14 | Eulex | BlackJudas, hmm, dunno then |
| 04:45.19 | BlackJudas | Eulex, and the logs show it detects the 7800 gt and reports the revision type (by the NVIDIA) tags at the beginning of the lines |
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| 04:45.37 | BlackJudas | blkjsus, when I do that... xorg can't find the glx module :s |
| 04:45.42 | Eulex | blkjsus, you wouldn't want to |
| 04:45.50 | blkjsus | why not |
| 04:45.51 | blkjsus | works for me |
| 04:45.52 | Zugschlus | Agrajag-: what makes you think that editing the config files is forbidden in Debian exim4? Did you read the docs? |
| 04:46.02 | BlackJudas | Eulex, I used it originally and then moved to the debian packages |
| 04:46.10 | blkjsus | hrm |
| 04:47.13 | blkjsus | wow that tab-nick completion actually works |
| 04:47.20 | blkjsus | i have been enlightened by you all |
| 04:47.30 | blkjsus | y'all |
| 04:47.48 | cheal | BlackJudas: did you check the Troubleshooting section of the Debian NvidiaGraphicsDrivers guide? |
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| 04:48.24 | junix-other | hey guys i've just installed nagat/nagios2 on my system but can't get to nagat....is there something wrong...has someone else run into this problem? |
| 04:48.27 | BlackJudas | cheal, yes but my case is special, because of two reasons. 1. I run xorg (different location for libs) and 2. i'm on amd64 :) |
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| 04:49.45 | cheal | BlackJudas: what's different with amd64? |
| 04:49.58 | cheal | BlackJudas: and isn't the guide adapted to X.org? |
| 04:50.05 | BlackJudas | cheal, /lib64 /emul /lib |
| 04:50.43 | cheal | BlackJudas: about the so symlinks? |
| 04:51.14 | BlackJudas | Yeah, I don't know.. I went through it twice... or maybe I didn't check the wiki version of it... |
| 04:51.21 | Eulex | blkjsus, those installers are made for distros with stupid package managers. and systems whose directory structure is not 100% equal to the debian one |
| 04:51.24 | BlackJudas | (now that I asked dpkg :s) |
| 04:51.35 | blkjsus | Eulex: well so far so good for me |
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| 04:52.14 | Eulex | blkjsus, installing is not the problem; the problem is if a package contains a file with the same filename |
| 04:52.19 | cheal | BlackJudas: OK. I admit I don't know if the symlinks stuff is adapted to amd64, but it should be possible to adapt it rather simply |
| 04:52.20 | blkjsus | i do recall making a symlink or two though, i honestly dont remember |
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| 04:54.43 | BlackJudas | cheal, yeah I'm re-looking through it ;) |
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| 05:00.48 | spanglesontoast | hey folks just looking at the debian custom cd project is it possible to modify the debian installer? |
| 05:00.57 | dondelelcaro | spanglesontoast: yes, it is. |
| 05:01.04 | spanglesontoast | is it simple? |
| 05:01.15 | dondelelcaro | spanglesontoast: it's mainly a collection of shell scripts, so yes. |
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| 05:01.36 | spanglesontoast | ah ok kool |
| 05:01.37 | spanglesontoast | ;) |
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| 05:02.07 | spanglesontoast | I'm just thinking of making my own distro, which I believe I'm perfectly allowed to as it's under the gpl |
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| 05:02.22 | dondelelcaro | spanglesontoast: sure, you can do whatever you want... it's probably a waste of time though. |
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| 05:03.02 | spanglesontoast | well I know some mugs that will pay things if youi jazz them up enough |
| 05:04.03 | dondelelcaro | if you think you're going to make money by selling a distribution based on Debian... well, good luck. |
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| 05:04.07 | shogunx | spanglesontoast, the trick is to make them pay just to talk to you. |
| 05:04.10 | NaufraGo | my keyboard isn't working fine, I have to press the keys for several seconds to make it work. Before I enter my session, my keyboard works greate. can anybody help me? |
| 05:04.26 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 05:04.28 | spanglesontoast | possible |
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| 05:05.59 | NaufraGo | so? |
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| 05:07.15 | junix-other | hey guys i've just installed nagat/nagios2 on my system but can't get to nagat....is there something wrong...has someone else run into this problem? |
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| 05:11.10 | mage | how come its easier to ignore dependancies with aptitude than synaptic? |
| 05:11.20 | dondelelcaro | mage: you can't ignore dependencies with either. |
| 05:11.38 | stew | mage: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 05:12.17 | mage | oh just mixing up a few unstable packages with stable I'm guessing |
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| 05:12.51 | stew | mage: mixing non-stable packages into a stable install is a bad idea, use backports instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 05:13.44 | NaufraGo | my keyboard isn't working fine, I have to press the keys for several seconds to make it work. Before I enter my session, my keyboard works greate. can anybody help me? |
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| 05:14.18 | zu22 | hi, i did upgrade from stable to testing and wanted to install a newer kernel (2.6.x) - running 2.2.20-idepci now, when i try to install a newer kernel it complains about my version of libc. i have: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa and pU libc6-dev 2.3.6-7. I can't install a 2.6 kernel without newer version of libc6-dev and i can't install libc6-dev because it won't let me upgrade to new (testing) version of libc6 since i am only running kernel 2.2.20 |
| 05:15.03 | mage | oic aptitude let me install the dependancies but not the actual package |
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| 05:15.27 | cheal | zu22: are you sure you're doing this right? according to what you say, you haven't finished upgrading to stable |
| 05:15.46 | nse | to testing you mean |
| 05:15.56 | cahoot | stable as in woody? |
| 05:16.21 | cheal | nse / zu22 : well, you're actually upgrading from oldstable to testing, right? |
| 05:16.44 | zu22 | cheal: yes, when i do "apt-get -f install" it complains about libc6: Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 (using .../libc6_2.3.6-7_i386.deb), WARNING: This version of glibc requires that you be running kernel version 2.4.1 or later. dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6-7_i386.deb (--unpack) |
| 05:16.59 | zu22 | cheal: i'm stuck in a catch-22 situation and don't know how to fix it |
| 05:17.15 | shogunx | zu22 build a kernel from source. |
| 05:17.16 | zu22 | cheal: yes i was upgrading from an 18month oldstable to new testing |
| 05:17.31 | zu22 | shogunx: will it let me build kernel without libc6-dev? |
| 05:17.35 | sep | zu22, try to go wia 2.4 ? |
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| 05:17.44 | zu22 | sep: wia? |
| 05:17.47 | sep | via |
| 05:17.54 | cheal | zu22: you will indeed get problems if you tried to upgrade from oldstable to testing directly. try completing the upgrade to stable first |
| 05:18.00 | sep | zu22, as in first install 2.4 kernel then libc then install 2.6 kernel |
| 05:18.07 | shogunx | zu22, no libc6-dev at all? |
| 05:18.20 | zu22 | sep: i can't install 2.4 kernel image cause i don't have libc6-dev and i can't install libc6-dev without a new testing version of libc6 |
| 05:18.33 | zu22 | shogunx: pU libc6-dev 2.3.6-7 |
| 05:18.48 | sep | zu22, dont get a 2.4 kernel from testing get it from woody or sarge |
| 05:18.50 | shogunx | zu22, i would build a kernel from source, if it were me. |
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| 05:19.02 | shogunx | if only to boot into to finish the upgrade. |
| 05:19.19 | cheal | shogunx: why do you say that? |
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| 05:19.24 | zu22 | i have an old .deb for libc6-dev can i force-overwrite install that? /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-dev_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3_i386.deb |
| 05:20.00 | Supaplex | zu22, there was a publicitaion for sarge, like an install/upgrade guide that pointed out the gotchas, and how to navigate around them. I'd check into that. It'll save you some grief. |
| 05:20.02 | cheal | zu22: don't try upgrading your libc6 to testing yet. first finish upgrading to stable |
| 05:20.05 | shogunx | cheal. seems the easiest way around it to me. ok... perhaps a dpkg -i --force-all kernel-image-something-or-other. |
| 05:20.12 | Supaplex | esp by using aptitude. |
| 05:20.38 | zu22 | cheal: argh so i have to change sources.list to stable and re-upgrade? i am on dialup that will take another several days! i really would prefer to NOT do that, i upgraded everything to testing but libc6 wouldn't upgrade cause my kernel is 2.2.20 |
| 05:20.49 | cheal | shogunx: I don't see how that would help. he needs to upgrade to stable first |
| 05:20.51 | stew | Supaplex: there was no guide for upgrading a woody that was partially upgraded to unstable sometime before sarge then partially upgraded to sarge then partially upgraded to etch |
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| 05:21.16 | stew | zu22: you should have just installed sarge fresh a week ago |
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| 05:21.24 | Supaplex | that's what you get for riding unstable. truth in advertising. :) |
| 05:21.31 | shogunx | cheal... if there is a path through apt, then thats cool too. |
| 05:22.04 | zu22 | i am not running unstable |
| 05:22.08 | mage | how do i unmark everything in aptitude? |
| 05:22.25 | shogunx | cheal but if apt gets stuck at needing a 2.4 kernel. well. give it a 2.4 kernel. thats my opinion. |
| 05:22.44 | Supaplex | then what does stew mean by 'partially upgraded to unstable sometime before sarge' ... ? |
| 05:22.53 | zu22 | is there anyway i can get a 2.4 kernel running without downgrading all my packages to stable? i am on dialup and don't wanna blow another 3 days of downloads on this |
| 05:23.02 | cheal | zu22: well, the only supported upgrade path from x to > x+1 is x->x+1 && x+1 -> rest of the upgrade path. of course, there would be more bandwidth-efficient ways to do it, but you'd rather have that done by someone skilled. I'm not sure if it's reasonable for #debian to provide that skill |
| 05:23.39 | cheal | shogunx: yes, but why build that kernel? |
| 05:23.48 | sep | zu22, you might get away with booting a lived + chroot+ apt-get ing a 2.6 kernel in your chroot |
| 05:23.49 | zu22 | shogunx: can i download a 2.4 kernel .deb and force-overwrite install it? or can i build kernel without libc6-dev? or can i force-overwrite install an old .deb of libc6-dev from sarge? |
| 05:24.05 | sep | zu22, but it may also blow up ni your face :) |
| 05:24.12 | cahoot | zu22: if you haven't cleaned out /var/cache/apt you have the already downloaded pgs still on your system |
| 05:24.20 | Supaplex | force is a redhat feature. it's meant to break. |
| 05:24.23 | cheal | zu22: if you want to try it, the first step seems to install a >= 2.4.1 Linux image |
| 05:24.26 | stew | zu22: why would installing a 2.4 kernel require anything to be overwritten? |
| 05:24.31 | shogunx | cheal if apt or dpkg wont allow it, then what other option is there? probably comes from my building kernels for every box i have, also. |
| 05:24.44 | zu22 | sep: oh i never did chroot before how can i do that? i have a knoppix livecd |
| 05:25.00 | Supaplex | !chroot |
| 05:25.00 | dpkg | chroot is, like, a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 05:25.01 | zu22 | cheal: oh i wish i knew that before |
| 05:25.27 | sep | zu22, something like boot livecd. mount uop your HD like it's suposed to be on a mountpoint chroot /mountpoint |
| 05:25.27 | shogunx | zu22, you should not need to force-overwrite. you can have several kernels installed simultaneously, and coose at boot time. |
| 05:25.31 | sep | mount /proc and stuff |
| 05:25.44 | cheal | shogunx: what makes you think dpkg won't allow installing a 2.4 kernel on that box? |
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| 05:25.44 | zu22 | choot: yes i still have those downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives so what should i do then? |
| 05:25.44 | sep | and try a apt-get install |
| 05:25.54 | ccervante | This may sound like a noob questioin but I installed bittorrent succesfully...now how do I run it? |
| 05:26.06 | zu22 | stew: i meant when i tried install 2.4 kernel image it complained about no libc6-dev |
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| 05:26.17 | zu22 | sep: oh |
| 05:26.27 | stew | zu22: what exact error did you get? |
| 05:26.29 | Supaplex | libc6 and -dev are different packages (same source however) |
| 05:26.32 | shogunx | cheal. valid point. ok, download a > 2.4.0 kernel image, and dpkg -i it. |
| 05:26.35 | zu22 | stew: let me check one sec |
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| 05:27.04 | stew | zu22: becuase a kernel-image wouldnt' require libc6-dev, and plus you said you have it anyway |
| 05:27.39 | zu22 | stew: The following packages have unmet dependencies: kernel-image-2.4-686: Depends: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 but it is not going to be installed. libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-7) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 is to be installed. locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.6-2 |
| 05:27.57 | stew | zu22: install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 05:28.09 | stew | zu22: do you have stable in your sources? |
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| 05:28.44 | zu22 | stew: so i can just do "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686_2.4.27-12_i386.deb" is that what u saying? |
| 05:28.50 | stew | zu22: yes |
| 05:29.02 | shogunx | that should work. |
| 05:29.04 | zu22 | stew: wow ok let me try that now |
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| 05:29.34 | zu22 | it says that is initrd kernel |
| 05:29.36 | zu22 | i never used initrd before |
| 05:29.39 | zu22 | what should i tell it? |
| 05:29.41 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me about my keyboard problem? |
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| 05:30.04 | stew | zu22: "what should you tell it"? is that a question for us? what is it? |
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| 05:30.29 | shogunx | NaufraGo, no, i'm sorry, you will have to clean that off yourself. and stop porn surfing. |
| 05:30.39 | zu22 | stew: i meant is it ok to proceed, does initrd kernel need any special packages? |
| 05:30.41 | sep | zu22, just continue the install. |
| 05:30.46 | zu22 | sep: ok |
| 05:30.47 | stew | zu22: do you run lilo or grub? |
| 05:30.52 | sep | zu22, it just means you need to tweak your lilo/grub |
| 05:30.56 | NaufraGo | ¬¬ |
| 05:31.02 | zu22 | stew: lilo but was gonna switch to grub before i installed 2.6 kernel, still running lilo |
| 05:31.14 | sep | zu22, its saying on that page what you have to do tho. |
| 05:31.19 | zu22 | sep: ok |
| 05:31.43 | NaufraGo | is this win. to be affected by porn surfing? |
| 05:31.44 | stew | zu22: then you have to edit your lilo.conf to make sure that the default kernel has an initrd line, and like i told you before, you should really make a separate lilo.conf entry for the current working kernel so that you always have that to fall back on |
| 05:31.49 | stew | zu22: have you done that already? |
| 05:31.55 | TraceGreen | hello, after i run pppoeconf, although i input username and password, i still can not get ip address , and plog show me nothing. why? |
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| 05:32.15 | shogunx | NaufraGo, twas a joke. |
| 05:32.36 | cheal | TraceGreen: was a PPPoE connection attempted? |
| 05:32.42 | zu22 | stew: ok good idea |
| 05:32.56 | zu22 | i am getting an unresolved symbols errors is that ok? |
| 05:33.01 | stew | no |
| 05:33.22 | zu22 | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/orinoco.o |
| 05:33.26 | zu22 | i dont use wireless just dialup |
| 05:33.36 | zu22 | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.o |
| 05:33.37 | TraceGreen | cheal, what do you mean? after i redo pon dsl-provider several times, some times i can connect pppoe connection. |
| 05:33.41 | zu22 | i dont use XFS either just ext2 |
| 05:33.57 | stew | zu22: is there any reason that you haven't yet reinstalled? |
| 05:34.18 | zu22 | stew: i am editing lilo.conf as u intructed so i have fallback |
| 05:34.43 | shogunx | stew, zu22 that is perhaps the libc differences? that kernel MIGHT boot. |
| 05:34.52 | stew | zu22: i told you to do that BEFORE you installed a new kernel |
| 05:34.58 | cheal | TraceGreen: # pon dsl-provider; should attempt a connection. so it works sometimes, sometimes not and you have no idea of the factors? |
| 05:35.12 | TraceGreen | cheal, yeah! |
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| 05:35.53 | zu22 | stew: i didn't finish the kernel install, soon as it said about "Please edit lilo.conf" i am doing that now |
| 05:36.19 | zu22 | stew: ok done with that and proceeding |
| 05:36.27 | cheal | TraceGreen: but when you try # pon dsl-provider; and it doesn't work, nothing shows in # plog; ? |
| 05:37.03 | TraceGreen | cheal, plog seems not work. plog show nothing. |
| 05:37.18 | cheal | TraceGreen: even when the PPPoE connection succeeds? |
| 05:37.26 | TraceGreen | cheal, yeah. |
| 05:37.41 | zu22 | stew: it says "/boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-686 " but my lilo.conf has initrd=/boot/initrd.img so should i go into /boot and do "ln -s initrd.img-2.4.27-2-686 initrd.img" or just explicitly specify the path in lilo.conf and not use a symlink? |
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| 05:38.00 | TraceGreen | cheal, just show nothing. and /var/log/ppp.log show nothing. |
| 05:39.17 | cheal | TraceGreen: did you configure /etc/syslog.conf so that ppp logs in ppp.log? |
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| 05:40.25 | TraceGreen | cheal, oh no! how should i set it? |
| 05:40.51 | zu22 | stew/sep: you still here? do i need symlink for initrd.img-2.5.27-2-686 to initrd.img in /boot or should i just specify initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-686 in my lilo.conf? |
| 05:41.05 | sep | zu22, iirc it did the symlinking automagicaly |
| 05:41.16 | sep | zu22, if i was you i'd replace lilo with grub :) |
| 05:41.36 | cheal | TraceGreen: man plog; has something about that, but you shouldn't need to do that. ppp should just log in syslog if you didn't configure it to log in ppp.log |
| 05:41.51 | zu22 | sep: nope there is no /boot/initrd.img eve /initrd.img symlink at all just the /boot/initrd.img-2.5.27-2-686 |
| 05:41.57 | sep | zu22, but you have to check it. make sure you use the realfilenames on the fallback kernel |
| 05:42.01 | zu22 | s/eve/or even |
| 05:42.09 | zu22 | sep: ok |
| 05:42.11 | sep | zu22, i'd use the real filenames. |
| 05:42.19 | zu22 | sep: ok will do to be safe |
| 05:42.40 | Kevin` | use grub and rest in the knowledge that you don't need a fallback entry |
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| 05:42.45 | TraceGreen | cheal, i check /var/log/syslog, but still find nothing. |
| 05:42.47 | zu22 | sep: after i upgrade kernel and able to install latest libc6 and libc6-dev i will install grub :) |
| 05:43.08 | TraceGreen | cheal, now i just want to check log to see why some times connect why some times not connect. |
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| 05:44.37 | cheal | TraceGreen: hum, well this is strange and I don't see how to help you without that log, but I have no idea what would be causing this. I would be interested in the solution if you find one |
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| 05:45.56 | TraceGreen | cheal, ok, when i find the problem. I would tell you. thanks very much! |
| 05:46.02 | nackpattywak | hey, how do I change my default browser to Firefox... kde wants it to be Konqueror |
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| 05:46.48 | cheal | TraceGreen: thanks. I don't think I deserve to be thanked yet though :) |
| 05:47.06 | zu22 | "Installation successful." do i need to run "lilo" now before i reboot? |
| 05:47.06 | mage | is there a way I can grab a list of every unstable package i've installed? |
| 05:47.12 | cheal | nackpattywak: you want to change your default browser in KDE? |
| 05:47.29 | mage | I have a feeling to get anywhere I need to remove them all |
| 05:47.30 | cheal | mage: try apt-show-versions |
| 05:47.34 | mage | ok |
| 05:47.36 | sep | nackpattywak, i have no idea if kde uses alternatives or not. but try update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 05:47.50 | zu22 | iirc need to run "lilo" after installing new kernel |
| 05:47.51 | nackpattywak | yeah, if I click on a link in gaim, it open konquerer... I want it to be firefox like it ought to be :D |
| 05:48.04 | zu22 | is that correct? |
| 05:48.11 | sep | zu22, yes |
| 05:48.14 | zu22 | thx |
| 05:48.28 | cheal | nackpattywak: which release do you use? |
| 05:48.29 | zu22 | hopefully i be back here in a few mins running 2.6 :) |
| 05:48.54 | zu22 | s/2.6/2.4 |
| 05:49.19 | nackpattywak | of kde ... I don't know. everything unstable :D |
| 05:49.50 | cheal | nackpattywak: the browser opened by Gaim is probably a Gaim preference |
| 05:50.26 | nackpattywak | no, no, I use gaim for IRC. It's the links at the top of this forum :D |
| 05:50.27 | cheal | the woody Linux 2.4.16 DSA is truely amazing. that version was released nearly 4 years and a half ago!! :D |
| 05:51.16 | cheal | nackpattywak: yeah...? note that you are in an IRC *channel* |
| 05:51.21 | nackpattywak | It does it for all programs, and it's annoying. |
| 05:51.45 | blkjsus | kde suxors |
| 05:51.46 | nackpattywak | yep, I came here. I know. I use gaim for IRC, too. |
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| 05:52.38 | sep | cheal, a reason debian is the best OS ever :) |
| 05:52.43 | cheal | nackpattywak: then ask #debian-kde, or check the KDE components in kcontrol |
| 05:52.46 | Vasistha | nackpattywak: I was able to get gaim to open opera the way I wanted... |
| 05:52.47 | nackpattywak | yeah, blkjsus but it makes it far easier to run multiple configs with my wifi card then gnome, xfce, fluxbox, or the like. |
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| 05:53.01 | pepper | hi. so i'm setting up my video card but i'm stumped by one detail-- the BusId: does anyone know how to set it or a web page that gives details? |
| 05:53.18 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:53.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 05:53.53 | sep | pepper, if you only have 1 card leave it blank |
| 05:54.04 | cheal | sep: definitely. I'm almost forgetting the 2 years with an estimated average of > 12 vulnerabilities in that package :) |
| 05:54.07 | sep | pepper, if you need to figure it out you use lspci -X |
| 05:54.11 | Vasistha | nackpattywak: kcontrol > KDE Components > File Associations > text > html |
| 05:54.55 | brammator | how to fix "buffering packet 3022 (expecting 3021, lost or reordered)" on pptp? "iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --set-mss 1200" helps but not totally |
| 05:55.11 | nackpattywak | Thank you Vasistha :D :D :D |
| 05:55.18 | pepper | i only have one card but i i'm gonna use twinview. it is already set at pci 1.0.0 (i think)-- so i shouldn't change it when i set the options? |
| 05:55.36 | Vasistha | nackpattywak: you're welcome, enjoy |
| 05:56.01 | NaufraGo | how do I remove all kde configurations to start it again? |
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| 05:56.23 | pepper | ah lspci is great! |
| 05:56.42 | Vasistha | nackpattywak: I first tried IRC on gaim, but it often hung for 10-30 seconds when trying to open rooms, or when having connection probs. I'm really enjoying konversation now, though I still use gaim for non-irc messaging |
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| 05:57.12 | zu22 | it worked, i am now running 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 05:57.23 | zu22 | now i can do "apt-get -f install" and finish upgrade to testing |
| 05:57.44 | nackpattywak | yeah I am using the 2 beta, and it works pretty good. I never used to. And it wasn't a debian package, I had to build it. But it's nice. |
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| 05:58.56 | MM2 | I installed new NIC to server. How I can load modules for it? (from commandline) |
| 05:59.01 | zu22 | i used synaptic to clean up some packages and removed the window manager i was using, so now when X starts no wm is running, how can i tell gnome to use xfwm4? i installed it but it's not being used by Gnome when X starts |
| 05:59.03 | nackpattywak | if I notice it doing that I will get off it though. I still xchat and konversation installed, too... although why I never removed the latter i donno, never never use it |
| 05:59.18 | MM2 | or even probe it from PCI slot? |
| 05:59.26 | cheal | nackpattywak: FYI, there are gaim 2 betas in experimental |
| 06:00.07 | zu22 | should "dpkg-reconfigure gnome" or "dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver" to make it use a window manager? |
| 06:00.08 | nackpattywak | yeah but anything bleeding I might as well make myself. if it doesn't crash and burn, it might work. |
| 06:00.20 | NaufraGo | how do I remove all kde configurations to start it again? |
| 06:01.01 | Vasistha | NaufraGo: well, you -could- remove the .kde directory from your home directory, but that might have some really bad side effects, for instance if you have email stored in there, etc |
| 06:01.14 | nackpattywak | well, got to work in a few hours. Thanks for the help, everyone have a wonderful whatever :) |
| 06:01.17 | cheal | NaufraGo: possibly by nuking your ~... :) or ask #debian-kde or #kde |
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| 06:01.44 | Vasistha | NaufraGo: if you were to do something so drastic, I would definitely advocate moving it to a temporary place so you can get stuff back from it if you need. but yeah, go to #kde |
| 06:01.51 | zu22 | when X starts (gnome) i have no window manager running |
| 06:02.01 | zu22 | how can i make X use xfwm4 as my window manager? |
| 06:02.36 | zu22 | is there a package i can reconfigure to specify my wm? |
| 06:03.27 | mage | whoops |
| 06:03.36 | mage | apt actually needs tar |
| 06:03.47 | mage | can someone on stable do /dcc mage /bin/tar |
| 06:04.18 | liable | zu22: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager ?? |
| 06:04.43 | mage | eh nm I'll just steal a copy from somewhere |
| 06:04.52 | Supaplex | mage: why not download it? you can install it with dpkg -i |
| 06:04.52 | zu22 | liable: cool, another thing is when my ppp connects it only says it found a primary DNS, is it ok if there is no secondary nameserver? or is that normal for dialup ? |
| 06:05.12 | Supaplex | mage: http://packages.debian.org/tar |
| 06:05.24 | mage | heh are you sure dpkg doesn't need tar to extract it? |
| 06:05.27 | mage | I know apt-get did |
| 06:05.29 | liable | zu22: you should get two, as long as the primary doesnt fail it shouldnt be a problem though |
| 06:05.50 | Supaplex | .debs are packed with ar |
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| 06:06.47 | zu22 | liable: oh, should i call my ISP and ask why i only get one? they give me a dynamic IP with DHCP |
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| 06:07.30 | Vasistha | zu22: you could call them or you could look around online |
| 06:07.45 | mage | maybe if I could downgrade on the command line |
| 06:07.54 | zu22 | Vasistha: ok what should i google on "ppp dialup no secondary dns" ? |
| 06:08.40 | Vasistha | zu22: I think the only place worth looking is 1) on your ISPs web site if they have one, 2) google for the specific DNS you are using, as a way of finding someone else also using that and a secondary |
| 06:08.55 | zu22 | Vasistha: ah i see, thanks man gonna reboot now |
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| 06:09.47 | GOG_cps | fgtyh |
| 06:09.57 | GOG_cps | algum brasileiro pra conversa? |
| 06:10.10 | streuner | !br |
| 06:10.10 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 06:12.16 | GOG_cps | obrigado |
| 06:12.42 | mage | whats with aptitude always wanting to uninstall itself? |
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| 06:12.54 | amphi | mage: heh |
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| 06:13.14 | _westside`Comp|e | hi.. Im getting "30mbs" download speeds on my dsl connection.. thats equivilent to what in mbits? |
| 06:13.24 | _westside`Comp|e | mbits/ps rather |
| 06:13.35 | Vasistha | _westside`Comp|e: there are 8 bits in a byte |
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| 06:14.20 | Vasistha | _westside`Comp|e: when abbreviating, a lowercase 'b' usually means bits, whereas uppercase 'B' means bytes |
| 06:14.40 | SlayerXP | _westside`Comp|e: 8 bits in a byte, 1024 bytes in a kilobyte, 1024 kilobytes in a megabytes. use a calculator. |
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| 06:16.48 | junix-other | hey guys i've just installed nagat/nagios2 on my system but can't get to nagat....is there something wrong...has someone else run into this problem? |
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| 06:18.01 | Quozl | can i safely remove udev? sarge to etch upgrade. hotplug conflicts, hotplug needed by rosegarden4 via various dependencies. |
| 06:18.41 | tralala | Quozl: hotplug is depricated in favour of udev |
| 06:18.48 | Quozl | tralala: thanks! |
| 06:19.06 | cheal | Quozl: which dependencies? |
| 06:19.25 | Quozl | cheal: dunno, haven't explored exactly which. probably something kde'ish. |
| 06:19.37 | tralala | Quozl: but udev provides hotplug so you should be able to do just fine without hotplug |
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| 06:19.54 | Quozl | tralala: cool, apt likes that combo. i'm able to proceed, thanks. |
| 06:20.13 | Vasistha | Quozl: incidentally, have you checked out mup? not a graphical program, and not free/open source, but worth looking at |
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| 06:21.22 | Liquid-Silence | lo all |
| 06:21.30 | Liquid-Silence | was this channel not moving>? |
| 06:21.56 | Vasistha | Liquid-Silence: we're around, it ebbs and flows |
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| 06:23.47 | Aro | hi |
| 06:24.06 | Aro | Is here anyone with sparc64 machine? |
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| 06:24.22 | tralala | Aro: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 06:25.05 | Supaplex | Aro: I'll take one. |
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| 06:25.18 | excore | I need some help |
| 06:25.24 | excore | during installtion |
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| 06:25.39 | excore | it says Setting system clock using hardware as referance |
| 06:25.43 | pagey | anyone know how to change the default browser in kmess? |
| 06:25.44 | excore | and it just hangs |
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| 06:25.54 | Aro | Supaplex: It's possible to have java on this machine? |
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| 06:26.12 | stephan__ | can someone help me.....when i installed 2.6.15-1-686 i get this startup error: Alert /dev/hda2 doesnt exist |
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| 06:26.20 | Supaplex | Aro: well yea, why not? |
| 06:26.23 | zu22 | hey, when i type 'date' it displays my time in UTC (Tue May 23 06:25:20 UTC 2006) however i am in EST and current time is 02:25:20, how do i tell Debian to use EST timezone info? |
| 06:26.26 | Vasistha | pagey: is that a kde app? It may be linked to the settings for all of KDE. #kde and #debian-kde are both good places to ask |
| 06:26.35 | stephan__ | and it does...do i need something else |
| 06:26.36 | tralala | zu22: tzconfig |
| 06:26.45 | pagey | Vasistha: cheers |
| 06:26.50 | excore | I need some help |
| 06:26.50 | pagey | and yes |
| 06:26.54 | excore | during installtion |
| 06:26.55 | excore | it says Setting system clock using hardware as referance |
| 06:26.59 | excore | and it just hangs |
| 06:26.59 | zu22 | tralala: thanks |
| 06:27.02 | Aro | Supaplex: I asking because I cant found jdk 1.5 for Linux sparc64 |
| 06:27.10 | tralala | excore: /msg dpkg repeat, /msg dpkg enter |
| 06:27.18 | shogunx | zu22, did your upgrade succeed? |
| 06:27.26 | tralala | Aro: /msg dpkg install java |
| 06:27.30 | Vasistha | pagey: kcontrol > KDE Components > File Associations > text > html |
| 06:27.34 | zu22 | shogunx: yup :) and i was able get libc6 installed after that |
| 06:27.42 | shogunx | great. |
| 06:27.56 | pagey | Vasistha: thank you |
| 06:27.58 | excore | what tralalala? |
| 06:28.03 | zu22 | shogunx: so now i am debating with to stick with 2.4 kernel or go to 2.6, i mean how much would advantage would i gain with 2.6? is it even worth it? |
| 06:28.21 | zu22 | s/with/whether |
| 06:28.23 | shogunx | zu22, there are some interesting things in 2.6 |
| 06:28.57 | shogunx | zu22, you can always install it, and if it does not suit your current needs, boot the 2.4 |
| 06:29.10 | tralala | excore: what what? |
| 06:29.14 | stephan__ | anyone know y after upgrading to 2.6.15 it wont see my /dev/hda2 |
| 06:29.14 | Supaplex | Aro: who's jdk? sun for linux/sparc64, or someone else? There's some java package pooper that'll take a java installer and digest it into a debian equivilent. |
| 06:29.21 | welp | how do i istall? PHP with MySQL support? |
| 06:29.21 | zu22 | shogunx: yeah , i tested my failsafe setup in lilo and my old 2.20 still boots too |
| 06:29.25 | excore | does anyone have a solution? |
| 06:29.26 | welp | -? |
| 06:29.36 | shogunx | zu22, still running a 2.4 here on some hosts, but that is only because of openmosix. |
| 06:29.59 | zu22 | shogunx: ah |
| 06:30.33 | Supaplex | zu22: no love for dear old grub? ;o) |
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| 06:30.45 | shogunx | zu22, and the alphaservers... i just have not got around to building myself a 2.6 for them. |
| 06:30.47 | stephan__ | anyone alive? |
| 06:30.54 | streuner | no |
| 06:30.57 | zu22 | shogunx: if i wanted to try latest release of gnome is there anyway i could do that? i was thinking it would conflict with my debian gnome or maybe i'd have to purge gnome in debian and run the gnome i'd build from src in /usr/local? is there easier way to try it? |
| 06:31.00 | pagey | Is SeaMonkey available from apt? |
| 06:31.02 | streuner | we are all dead ;-) |
| 06:31.10 | excore | it says Setting system clock using hardware as referance |
| 06:31.13 | zu22 | supaplex: heh i am researching grub now, looking forward to try it out :P |
| 06:31.13 | streuner | stephan__: just ask |
| 06:31.18 | welp | how do i istall PHP with MySQL support? |
| 06:31.26 | shogunx | not sure... i use e17 myself. |
| 06:31.28 | stephan__ | streuner, i did twice :/.... |
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| 06:31.31 | excore | during installtion |
| 06:31.35 | stephan__ | anyone know y after upgrading to 2.6.15 it wont see my /dev/hda2 |
| 06:31.36 | excore | it says Setting system clock using hardware as referance |
| 06:31.38 | excore | does anyone have a solution? |
| 06:31.40 | streuner | stephan__: just switched to #debian |
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| 06:31.48 | Supaplex | !tell welp -about search |
| 06:31.53 | shogunx | stephan__, is it sata? |
| 06:31.55 | stephan__ | streuner, oh ok :o |
| 06:32.03 | stephan__ | streuner, no |
| 06:32.04 | Supaplex | !tell excore -about repeat |
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| 06:32.20 | streuner | stephan__: what version of debian? |
| 06:32.36 | stephan__ | shogunx, 2.4 works fine, and 2.6.16 but not 2.6.15 |
| 06:32.36 | excore | wish someone would help me |
| 06:32.43 | liable | excore: make sure the clock is set properly in bios |
| 06:32.50 | stephan__ | streuner, sarge, current |
| 06:32.54 | liable | excore: if someone knew, i am sure they would |
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| 06:33.04 | streuner | stephan__: ok, why do you think you need 2.6.15 then? |
| 06:33.05 | Ashex | !samba |
| 06:33.05 | dpkg | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 06:33.15 | excore | its set fine, it just hangs during boot |
| 06:33.35 | cheal | welp: if PHP and MySQL are installed, try installing php?-mysql |
| 06:33.52 | welp | cheal, how can i check which version of PHP i have? |
| 06:34.07 | stephan__ | scsi1: ata_pix then it tries to mount my drive...then fails |
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| 06:34.17 | cheal | welp: $ dpkg -l php? |
| 06:34.20 | welp | cheal, I was about to do that... but I don't know which version I installed... :( |
| 06:34.20 | welp | ok |
| 06:34.35 | liable | dpkg -l |grep php?? |
| 06:34.35 | dpkg | ii |grep php 1.9-11 liable's private stamp collection |
| 06:34.44 | pagey | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.49 | streuner | stephan__: look into /var/log/dmesg.log |
| 06:34.51 | liable | i knew that would happen.. :) |
| 06:34.52 | Ashex | I've installed samba-client and all required modules through apt, but when I try to enable windows sharing in networking, I get the error that I need to install SMB (samba) |
| 06:34.58 | stephan__ | streuner, ok |
| 06:34.59 | Ashex | any idea why the service isn't loading? |
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| 06:35.17 | Supaplex | excore: ohhh, now we know it hangs there. that's kind of wierd. I've never had a machine lock up at that point. |
| 06:35.28 | sep | Ashex, the service is in the server part, install the samba package not just samba-client |
| 06:35.29 | Ashex | and the man page doesn't tell me much |
| 06:35.48 | excore | is there a boot parameter to disable it |
| 06:35.54 | excore | and its the second time it loads in one boot |
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| 06:36.07 | zu22 | What is the canonical way to install/run a big non-Debian software in Debian such as the latest Gnome? |
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| 06:36.27 | welp | cheal, it won't install - it says: php4-mysql is already the newest version. |
| 06:36.30 | Ashex | sap: Can't believe I missed that >.< I only searched for smb because the error kept telling me I needed the SMB service |
| 06:36.36 | Ashex | sep* |
| 06:36.47 | pagey | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.48 | zu22 | Or is this not possible. |
| 06:36.48 | cheal | welp: well, it seems that it's already installed then |
| 06:36.49 | pagey | ? |
| 06:36.50 | streuner | zu22: wait and have some patience? |
| 06:36.54 | sep | zu22, 1 see if its in backports or apt-get.org, or do a simple sid backport. or package it yourself. or install it from source in /usr/local/ |
| 06:37.01 | zu22 | streuner; heh, yeah that is best way i was just curious |
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| 06:37.10 | streuner | simple sid backport for GNOME? |
| 06:37.20 | Supaplex | excore: all that stuff is in init scripts. try linux s for single mode. if that hangs to, use init=/bin/bash. you'll have to mount and umount by hand (which can cripple a filesystem in rare cases when not done correctly) |
| 06:37.21 | tralala | zu22: the canonical way is not to install non-debian software in debian |
| 06:37.29 | sep | streuner, i did not speak of gnome in partiqular :) |
| 06:37.36 | zu22 | sep: ah :) do you have any info on doing a simple sid backport? |
| 06:37.38 | welp | cheal, how come MySQL and PHP aren't working together then? *thinks about Gentoo... "emerge php mysql" done...* |
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| 06:37.52 | zu22 | tralala: is that why "non-us" was removed from Debian? |
| 06:37.52 | sep | zu22, you wont succeed with gnome. it's for simple cases |
| 06:37.52 | Supaplex | !tell zu22 -about simple sid backport |
| 06:37.59 | zu22 | supaplex: thx |
| 06:38.00 | tralala | zu22: you take the sid sources and you compile them |
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| 06:38.06 | zu22 | tralala: ah |
| 06:38.12 | excore | ok what directory is base/config in? |
| 06:38.14 | Supaplex | zu22: or use prebuilt backports. |
| 06:38.15 | excore | dash |
| 06:38.21 | streuner | tralala: which isn't that *trivial*... |
| 06:38.22 | zu22 | ok |
| 06:38.26 | excore | base-config |
| 06:38.37 | tralala | streuner: that's a different story |
| 06:38.38 | Supaplex | excore: dpkg -L <package> |
| 06:38.48 | excore | whats that mean? |
| 06:38.50 | zethreth | excuse me, I'm trying to sync up with a pda running a bare kernel and busybox tools. It's native environment is WinCE and I am able to sync up to it's serial with synce. The thing I'm having trouble finding out is how I'm to allow access from this pda through my pppd. Right now it tells me that the remote system is required to authenticate itself. I'm assuming this means there nothing in place for it the make the connection. |
| 06:38.55 | tralala | streuner: and the reason I'm not suggesting backporting |
| 06:38.58 | Supaplex | excore: man dpkg |
| 06:39.03 | Hatter | dell poweredge 430, I have debian installed on it now, looking for the easy way to make the kernel recognise the sata drives, any clues ? |
| 06:39.08 | streuner | tralala: why not? |
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| 06:39.09 | liable | excore: do you heve sarge? |
| 06:39.17 | excore | yes |
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| 06:39.33 | excore | no..but it installs software that is used in it |
| 06:39.41 | liable | excore: then its base-config package |
| 06:39.53 | excore | right so where is it |
| 06:40.02 | tralala | streuner: because it could prove to be a pain in the neck and unworthy in most of the cases |
| 06:40.07 | liable | excore: you have to run it as root |
| 06:40.41 | streuner | tralala: backports are usually made of DD's... |
| 06:40.43 | liable | excore: what do you mean by, no but it installs software used in it? |
| 06:41.13 | hacosta | what did you guys thought of debconf? |
| 06:41.26 | liable | didnt go.. |
| 06:41.28 | Supaplex | zethreth: what says the remote system must authenticate it self? (re ppp) |
| 06:41.29 | streuner | tralala: if you regret backports, you have (almost) no feature for those who using stable and want newer software... |
| 06:41.31 | tralala | streuner: plus I think that anybody who's good enough at compiling stuff will figure out the idea of backporting on his own. I was speaking of diy backporting and not the backports. |
| 06:42.07 | Supaplex | but diy backports is so fun. It's how I learned so much in debain :) |
| 06:42.08 | tralala | I *do* use backports I just don't backport myself. |
| 06:42.27 | zethreth | Supaplex: pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 06:42.31 | Hatter | anyone use sata drives on debian sarge ? |
| 06:42.44 | liable | Hatter: yes |
| 06:42.52 | zu22 | supaplex: i will have to try debain someday ;) |
| 06:42.54 | tralala | Supaplex: sure when you have the time to play. But this was not the topic. |
| 06:43.00 | streuner | Hatter: SATA is a kernel issue |
| 06:43.04 | tralala | Hatter: me |
| 06:43.05 | Supaplex | zethreth: so you're trying to give ppp access to your palm from your linux box, and that's the error (on the linux box) |
| 06:44.22 | mage | I'd check the pppd conf or the command line |
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| 06:44.36 | Hatter | yes a kernel issue. I am looking for the easy way out. from what i am reading i need to use kernel-2.6.11 ? |
| 06:44.53 | liable | depends entirely on the chipset |
| 06:44.58 | powder | i think there is a kernel backport for sarge |
| 06:45.10 | tralala | Hatter: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 06:45.30 | streuner | well, there is 2.6.16 now |
| 06:45.42 | streuner | !listkeys 2.6.16 |
| 06:45.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2.6.16' by key returned no results. |
| 06:45.49 | streuner | hm |
| 06:45.59 | zethreth | Supaplex: I'm looking into it |
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| 06:47.00 | Supaplex | zethreth: pppd has a noauth option. assuming the peer on the palm w/o trip up expecting to login. |
| 06:47.10 | excore2 | Sorry, but is there a way to disable the clock at all |
| 06:47.18 | streuner | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 06:47.18 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.15 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 06:47.53 | excore2 | I meant to say..Disable the system clock in boot.. |
| 06:48.24 | zethreth | Supaplex: That did something, not sure yet |
| 06:48.42 | Supaplex | !shock streuner |
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| 06:50.00 | zethreth | Supaplex: A real piss off is that I don't know if it's possible to do a ^PageUP to scroll back text in this HP Jornada 820 |
| 06:50.22 | tralala | !wakeup streuner |
| 06:50.36 | blondie | ew |
| 06:50.40 | streuner | haha |
| 06:50.45 | streuner | thanks guys |
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| 06:50.57 | tralala | dpkg: thank you |
| 06:50.57 | dpkg | tralala: de nada |
| 06:51.54 | tralala | this bot is sooo great for abuse :) |
| 06:53.31 | liable | hahaha |
| 06:53.38 | Supaplex | abuse? never! |
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| 06:54.09 | Hatter | tralala: thx. no easy way then. it's a production server, so i think i will go and get an ide drive to put in it. |
| 06:54.13 | liable | !factinfo wakeup |
| 06:54.13 | dpkg | liable: there's no such factoid as wakeup |
| 06:54.18 | excore2 | is there a boot parameter for disableing system clock detection? |
| 06:54.28 | liable | meh, cmd then |
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| 06:55.10 | Supaplex | !literal wakeup |
| 06:55.19 | Supaplex | !literal wakeup (.*) |
| 06:55.26 | Supaplex | lol |
| 06:55.29 | tralala | Hatter: sarge only has 2.6.8. The rest is unofficial. If the server is critical then you better get an ide driver for real. |
| 06:55.46 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo wakeup (.*) |
| 06:55.46 | dpkg | streuner: there's no such factoid as wakeup (.*) |
| 06:56.01 | tralala | it's a cmd |
| 06:56.06 | streuner | yes |
| 06:56.21 | tralala | dpkg: literal cmd: wakeup (.*?) |
| 06:56.21 | dpkg | "#debian cmd: wakeup (.*?)" is "($1): <action> silently aproaches $1, who's sleeping (zZzZZZzzZZ, Ronc !!! ronc!), gets off his pants and shoots a noisy fart ... PUBFBFBFBBBFFF!!!" |
| 06:56.22 | liable | i want the stats not the cmd |
| 06:56.39 | tralala | dpkg: factinfo cmd: wakeup (.*?) |
| 06:56.39 | dpkg | CMD: wakeup (.*?) -- created by cassoilo <ellobo@luckyluke.estig.ipb.pt> at Thu Jul 19 16:33:09 2001 (1768 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by Supaplex, 1m 20s ago. |
| 06:56.47 | liable | ah :) |
| 06:57.10 | streuner | http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=CMD:%20wakeup%20(.*?) |
| 06:57.18 | liable | wow, so little use of a good one :) |
| 06:58.05 | tralala | I'm accepting gratitude for digging it out for you :) |
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| 06:59.49 | streuner | http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?author=cassoilo |
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| 07:00.29 | liable | great, rains all day, now the sun is about to go down, blue sky.. and wet washing.. and a plane ticket for 5:30am. :( |
| 07:00.46 | excore2 | is there a boot parameter for disableing system clock detection?' |
| 07:01.57 | liable | excore2: i have no idea what problems it may cause, but you could remove the symlink from rcS.d for now untill you get it sorted |
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| 07:03.06 | excore2 | is there a boot parameter to disable system clock detection...and where is rcS.d |
| 07:03.56 | streuner | why do you want disable that? |
| 07:04.00 | tralala | excore2: you can easily find the list of the kernel parameters with google. /etc/rcS.d |
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| 07:05.09 | liable | streuner: /lastlog :P his box is failing/hanging at setting the clock |
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| 07:06.04 | zu22 | maybe he is worried about 2038 hehe |
| 07:06.28 | MaQui_ | anyone knows how to quit a mail from the amavis/virusmail to the normal spool to the user ? |
| 07:07.01 | streuner | liable: he leaved and joined |
| 07:07.25 | zu22 | Jerub /\ Quozl: ok |
| 07:07.54 | streuner | liable:... |
| 07:08.12 | streuner | excore2: what error message? |
| 07:11.04 | streuner | apt, test |
| 07:11.07 | apt | Test Passed! |
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| 07:11.47 | liable | streuner: you can still lastlog him even though he left |
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| 07:12.11 | streuner | liable: wanna see my lastlog? :-P |
| 07:12.28 | tralala | streuner: /j #port ;) |
| 07:12.33 | tralala | porn* |
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| 07:13.09 | liable | streuner: nope :P |
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| 07:13.30 | liable | whats in there? ascii porn?? :) |
| 07:13.49 | streuner | liable: less infos about the problem at all |
| 07:13.51 | tralala | people showing their lastlogs to each other :) |
| 07:14.03 | liable | !log |
| 07:14.03 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 07:14.16 | tralala | exactly!!! |
| 07:14.20 | tralala | hehe |
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| 07:14.58 | liable | that reminds me brb |
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| 07:17.30 | excore2 | error message is it hangs at : setting the system clock with the hardware clock as refernce |
| 07:17.34 | basse | hi. what is a good way to debug/monitor internet connection? i currently ran into weird problem that all my downloads seem to stall a lot. |
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| 07:18.00 | streuner | excore2: can you paste the exact message from /var/log/syslog or such? |
| 07:18.25 | excore2 | yes just second |
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| 07:18.55 | basse | i get 0% packet loss and no errors .. but it just seems to halt for some reason and I'm trying to figure out why. this happens on both of the machines here. |
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| 07:19.54 | tralala | basse: if you ping the server while the download is frozen do you get a delay? |
| 07:20.14 | basse | let's try. |
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| 07:21.31 | wishkah | there's no xorg-7.1-x86 package out there yet, is there? |
| 07:21.34 | liable | excore2: btw, dont paste here, put it on a paster |
| 07:21.43 | excore2 | its from another computer |
| 07:22.13 | excore2 | I have to type it |
| 07:22.13 | basse | tralala: nope. all trafic gets jammed. irc too it seems. |
| 07:22.13 | basse | tralala: when I cancel the wget download, things start working again |
| 07:22.22 | streuner | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html |
| 07:22.35 | liable | basse: wired or wireless? |
| 07:22.40 | zethreth | Supaplex: /quit |
| 07:22.42 | basse | wired |
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| 07:23.02 | m0rbid | unstable = sid?? |
| 07:23.06 | liable | yes |
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| 07:23.12 | tralala | basse: do you have a router? |
| 07:23.13 | m0rbid | is xorg in sid? |
| 07:23.20 | liable | yes |
| 07:23.21 | basse | tralala: yes. |
| 07:23.25 | m0rbid | thanks. |
| 07:23.34 | liable | streuner: be interesting to see how it splits. |
| 07:23.50 | tralala | tralala: it could be coming from bad configuration of the router or from the isp |
| 07:23.56 | liable | m0rbid: its also in etch which is testing, more stable |
| 07:24.11 | m0rbid | eeek |
| 07:24.21 | m0rbid | I just ran dist-upgrade too |
| 07:24.31 | basse | tralala: i have cable modem.. and then the two computers hooked to that through the router. router itself is just a small box that you dont really configure. |
| 07:24.43 | tralala | for repeat in $(seq 100); do echo "I will stop talking to myself"; done |
| 07:24.47 | streuner | liable: well, they don't ask us |
| 07:25.14 | tralala | basse: do you have a firewall? |
| 07:25.33 | liable | streuner: i know. we are but insignificant cogs in the big wheel of debian :) |
| 07:25.53 | streuner | well, i am slighty get that feeling too :-) |
| 07:25.57 | liable | spoke is prolly a better word.. |
| 07:26.01 | larrikin | a firewall is the thing between the dashboard and the engine |
| 07:26.18 | basse | tralala: normal linux firewall |
| 07:26.44 | tralala | basse: stop it and see if the problem will disappear |
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| 07:28.31 | basse | tralala: nope that doesnt do anything really |
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| 07:28.50 | excore2 | whats the command to read syslog? |
| 07:29.11 | wishkah | exit |
| 07:29.15 | m0rbid | lol |
| 07:29.17 | wishkah | hehe |
| 07:29.25 | tralala | basse: call the isp, it seems the problem comes from their side |
| 07:29.30 | SlayerXP | excore2: it's the same as reading any other text file. |
| 07:29.34 | colk | your favorite text editor /var/log/syslog |
| 07:29.46 | tralala | excore2: less |
| 07:29.55 | colk | however if you want to follow it in progress use tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 07:29.58 | wishkah | there's no xorg-7.1-x86 package out there yet, is there? |
| 07:30.02 | basse | tralala: ok.. thanks... |
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| 07:33.19 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 07:33.19 | dpkg | well, tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
| 07:33.36 | Klavier | i cant find ncurses-devel package with apt-cache search ncurses-devel |
| 07:33.39 | Klavier | how can i find it? |
| 07:33.55 | tarzeau | Klavier: -dev only |
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| 07:33.57 | tralala | oh, there is a debian tetrinet server! |
| 07:34.01 | liable | Klavier: ncurse5-dev |
| 07:34.03 | tarzeau | tralala: yes |
| 07:34.10 | tralala | note |
| 07:34.26 | tralala | !shoot tralala's typing |
| 07:34.32 | tarzeau | tralala: but no nethack or deopwars server :( |
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| 07:35.05 | tralala | tarzeau: I've never played any of these two |
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| 07:35.16 | basse | tralala: one thing i noticed though, it happens only on download. |
| 07:35.25 | Klavier | liable, it s not too |
| 07:35.27 | Klavier | :( |
| 07:35.48 | tralala | basse: this could be a way for a sucky isp to punish the downloaders |
| 07:35.50 | blondie | stupid bitchx users |
| 07:36.04 | liable | er, libncurses5-dev |
| 07:36.07 | liable | Klavier: ^^ |
| 07:36.16 | basse | tralala: heh heh.. well that would be very sucky yes. |
| 07:36.27 | Klavier | libncurses5-dev |
| 07:36.32 | Klavier | found it thanks |
| 07:36.35 | liable | !bitchxsmite blondie |
| 07:36.40 | liable | :( |
| 07:36.50 | tralala | basse: but I do think the problem is with the isp wether intentional or not |
| 07:37.07 | excore2 | whats the bash command for delete |
| 07:37.17 | tralala | rm |
| 07:37.46 | RvGaTe | goood morning, another fine day at work, that gets bored at 4 ! :D |
| 07:38.00 | basse | tralala: yea, quite odd it would happen on two machines at the same time like this.. I had similar thing couple of years ago due to bad network card.. but that showed as errors/lost packets in transfer too so it was more obvious. |
| 07:38.10 | basse | and now, I have two systems here suddenly suffering |
| 07:38.59 | tralala | basse: if you want to opt out completely a problem on your side - make one of the machines download something from the other |
| 07:39.01 | blondie | liable: FAIL |
| 07:39.12 | tralala | !fail blondie |
| 07:39.17 | liable | story of my life// |
| 07:39.19 | tralala | bah |
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| 07:39.29 | tralala | dpkg: you suck |
| 07:39.29 | dpkg | Dream on, tralala. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 07:39.52 | basse | tralala: hmm, is there easy way to test this? |
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| 07:40.14 | tralala | basse: I just gave you one, didn't I? |
| 07:40.15 | liable | basse: copying between the machines works ok? |
| 07:40.18 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.19 | dpkg | somebody said qotd113 was greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
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| 07:40.43 | basse | well if I copy between machines they always seem to go through the isp .. I think.. |
| 07:40.51 | liable | no |
| 07:40.57 | tralala | basse: no way |
| 07:41.11 | tralala | unless they are connected through different modems |
| 07:41.21 | pingu | Is there a way I can make apt satisfied with a current version of a package? |
| 07:41.22 | liable | if you get the same problem between machines, blame the router |
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| 07:41.28 | stephan__ | can someone tell me what nvidia-kernel-2.6.16 is.....is that all i need for my nvidia? |
| 07:41.40 | basse | hmm |
| 07:41.47 | pingu | I've got a patched glibc, which is a slightly lower version of which is used. |
| 07:41.53 | stoned | !tells stephan__ about nvidia |
| 07:41.59 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm trying to switch from lilo to grub. But I get "17 : Cannot mount selected partition". I suspect the problem is that my first partition is /dev/hde and not hda. The file device.map says hd0 is /dev/hde but maybe grub cannot read that file ... Any idea ? |
| 07:42.09 | tralala | basse: in order to get the closest simulation of the reality install a web server (thy) and download something big (a debian cd image) from it |
| 07:42.10 | pingu | Dn't want it upgrading over the patched one because that will kill the entire machine. |
| 07:42.16 | lord_rob | error 17 is shown at boot |
| 07:42.22 | leikh | i have a cronjob grabbing todays comics; wget http://cserver.it-content.com/retriever.php?id=30&date=20060523 . but all of a sudden it returns nill. lynx -source not doing the job either. other solutions? |
| 07:42.29 | stoned | my knees hurt |
| 07:42.36 | stoned | strange |
| 07:42.38 | stoned | I just woke u |
| 07:42.39 | liable | lord_rob: paste your menu.lst |
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| 07:42.40 | basse | well I play around with it at we will see. thanks for your help again! |
| 07:42.54 | pingu | Anyone? I need to have apt respect the current version of a package and not try to upgrade it. |
| 07:43.04 | pingu | Any ideas? |
| 07:43.11 | nevyn | pingu: hold it. |
| 07:43.16 | pingu | hold it? |
| 07:43.18 | liable | !tell pingu about hold |
| 07:43.19 | nevyn | yeah |
| 07:43.27 | lord_rob | liable: ok one moment please. #flood I suppose ? |
| 07:43.37 | stephan__ | !tells stephan__ nvidia installer |
| 07:43.44 | stephan__ | :/ |
| 07:43.48 | liable | lord_rob: just the rlevent bits if you are gonna use #flood |
| 07:43.52 | stoned | stephan__, /msg dpkg nvidia installer |
| 07:44.08 | tralala | stephan__: /msg dpkg whatever |
| 07:44.13 | pingu | liable, is that package name complete with =<version>? |
| 07:44.16 | stephan__ | stoned...thanks...do u know if it can work with 2.6.16 |
| 07:44.19 | stoned | stephan__, /msg dpkg tralala |
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| 07:44.22 | stoned | stephan__, yes |
| 07:44.33 | stephan__ | stoned, awesome.. ill read more :p |
| 07:44.34 | liable | pingu: no |
| 07:44.43 | pingu | Ok, so to remove the hold? |
| 07:44.44 | stoned | stephan__, you're welcome |
| 07:45.05 | liable | pingu: install it.. read the factoid. |
| 07:45.26 | pingu | Aaah, right. Thanks :) |
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| 07:47.35 | lord_rob | liable: http://paste.lisp.org/display/20300 |
| 07:48.41 | stephan__ | stoned, i dont have 2.6.16 installed yet..do i need to install the nvidia kernel modules with it |
| 07:49.16 | stoned | stephen |
| 07:49.32 | stephan__ | ? |
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| 07:49.46 | lord_rob | liable: I suspect the problem is groot=(hd0,7). But grub has no idea hd0 is /dev/hde |
| 07:49.56 | stoned | stephan__, apt-get install nvidia-glx module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 07:50.00 | liable | lord_rob: why have you got (hd0,8) ?? |
| 07:50.13 | liable | lord_rob: yes something isnt right there |
| 07:50.14 | lord_rob | liable: / is /dev/hde8 |
| 07:50.23 | stoned | hde jeezuz christ |
| 07:50.25 | stoned | lol |
| 07:50.28 | liable | lord_rob: the root (hd0,7) |
| 07:50.34 | lord_rob | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.46 | stephan__ | stoned, doesnt matter if im on 2.4. now? |
| 07:50.46 | stoned | stephan__, no |
| 07:50.46 | liable | lord_rob: grub starts at 0 |
| 07:50.49 | lord_rob | hmm no |
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| 07:50.55 | stephan__ | stoned, oh ok |
| 07:51.02 | stoned | stephan__, the module assistant auto installer will use the correct kernel version/source |
| 07:51.10 | liable | lord_rob: so hde8 is 7 |
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| 07:51.35 | stephan__ | stoned, will it be a problem when i upgrade? |
| 07:51.37 | lord_rob | yes liable hde7 is /home hde8 is / |
| 07:51.41 | stoned | stephan__, if it craps out and tells you something about can't build kernel module because of wrong GCC version, the do export CC=/usr/bin/gcc3.x (X bring the number of version you need) |
| 07:51.57 | stephan__ | stoned, k |
| 07:51.58 | stoned | stephan__, no, you'll most likely have to rebiuld the kernel module |
| 07:52.01 | liable | lord_rob: right, so root (hd0,7) not root (hd0,8) |
| 07:52.50 | liable | lord_rob: did you change that value yourself? because grub would have put (hd0,7) |
| 07:52.51 | stoned | stephan__, for a new kernel, yes, you need to rebuild the module. Also, if you don't have the correct GCC version, then just apt-get install gcc-3.x (x bring your version) |
| 07:53.05 | stoned | being* |
| 07:53.10 | liable | lord_rob: as per the #groot option |
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| 07:53.54 | liable | lord_rob: you could just try update-grub and it should fix it |
| 07:54.02 | lord_rob | liable: right but groot is (hd0,7). I modified that to (hd0,8) to do another test but I realised my mistake so before doing update grub I changed back to hd0,7 but forgot to do update-grub again |
| 07:54.21 | stoned | lord_rob, don't forget to make a backup before running the update script |
| 07:54.36 | opqdonut | i need to sniff a plaintext tcp stream, what would be the best tool? ethereal's ascii/hex dump also prints the headers in the dump and lots of extra data |
| 07:54.49 | liable | why, it only changes a couple of values in the file |
| 07:55.01 | lord_rob | stoned: well I have a kanotix live cd handy, and lilo is still on the hard drive in case of problem |
| 07:55.03 | nevyn | opqdonut: tcpdump |
| 07:55.06 | stoned | opqdonut, apt-cache search packet|grep sniffer |
| 07:55.07 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.25 | stoned | lilo? |
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| 07:55.38 | stoned | I'm just gonna let liable help you out |
| 07:55.39 | stoned | :) |
| 07:55.40 | opqdonut | nevyn: iirc tcpdump also prints lots of extra info |
| 07:55.44 | liable | lord_rob: well, you cant have hde8 and (hd0,8) its either hde8 and (hd0,7) or hde9 and (hd0,8) |
| 07:56.08 | stephan__ | stoned, working on it :o |
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| 07:56.20 | stoned | windows drive/partition numberin scehem is literally shot to shit |
| 07:56.29 | stoned | whoah horrible spelling |
| 07:56.32 | stoned | excuse me |
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| 07:57.07 | stephan__ | stoned? |
| 07:57.09 | stoned | stephan__, good luck. Its actually quite trivial to isntall nvidia |
| 07:57.11 | lord_rob | liable: I followed that guide : http://www.l0t3k.net/biblio/linux/debian/en/debian-grub.html so I hoped everything would be done automatically |
| 07:57.27 | stephan__ | stoned, thanks |
| 07:57.33 | stoned | NP |
| 07:57.35 | liable | lord_rob: the groot option looks good to me. run update-grub and try and boot |
| 07:57.36 | iKernel | I have debian installed, it seems to be a bit of an old version though. How do I find out what version of debian I am running? |
| 07:57.55 | stoned | iKernel, cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:57.56 | stephan__ | stoned, done :o |
| 07:57.58 | lord_rob | liable: how can grub know that hd0 is hde ? |
| 07:58.00 | tralala | iKernel: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:58.06 | stoned | or that |
| 07:58.07 | iKernel | tralala, k thanks |
| 07:58.12 | liable | lord_rob: from device.map file in /boot/grub |
| 07:58.19 | destian | How long will it take to get Xorg 7.1 into unstable, circa? Any guesses? |
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| 07:58.26 | iKernel | debian 3.1... that doesn't sound right |
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| 07:58.38 | tralala | iKernel: use sarge. If you need newer software go to backports.org |
| 07:58.41 | streuner | destian: /msg dpkg wir |
| 07:59.11 | stoned | iKernel, look at /etc/apt/sources.list <-- should tell you the repository it is using. Stable/Sarge, testing/etch, unstable/sid. |
| 07:59.12 | lord_rob | liable: that IS the problem for me. /boot is in / which is /dev/hde ... |
| 07:59.19 | excore2 | i found thetwo files that cuase my problem at /etc/rcS.d they ar S18hwclockfirst.sh and S50hwclock.sh i try rm to dlete them but get the error as they are read only so i need to know either 1. how to delet and/or change attributes or to disable both in boot anyone know? |
| 07:59.20 | iKernel | stoned, right |
| 07:59.35 | iKernel | no, I was wrong. debian 3.1 is fine, it is the latest stable version |
| 07:59.39 | lord_rob | liable: somewhat circular dependancies here |
| 07:59.41 | liable | lord_rob: yes, /dev/hde8 whats the problem? |
| 07:59.41 | stoned | yup |
| 07:59.53 | stoned | !tell iKernel about backports |
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| 08:00.03 | liable | lord_rob: i dont understand what you mean by that |
| 08:00.05 | plasmoduck | whats the best way to auto update my time? |
| 08:00.09 | plasmoduck | from an ntp server |
| 08:00.12 | stoned | plasmoduck, ntpdate |
| 08:00.15 | iKernel | stoned, It seems that I don't need backports. |
| 08:00.16 | liable | !set the time |
| 08:00.17 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 08:00.19 | stoned | plasmoduck, apt-get install ntpdate |
| 08:00.25 | plasmoduck | 23 May 17:58:53 ntpdate[30295]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 08:00.45 | dli | plasmoduck, read dpkg |
| 08:00.58 | stoned | iKernel, its useful to know where to obtain them |
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| 08:01.05 | lord_rob | liable: well grub needs to know that hd0 is /dev/hde. It does that when reading /boot/grub/device.map which is in hd0. Am I wrong ? |
| 08:01.06 | iKernel | stoned, |
| 08:01.07 | iKernel | stoned, ok |
| 08:01.13 | fireba11 | plasmoduck how about trying ntpdate pool.ntp.org ? |
| 08:01.14 | iKernel | I am using debian sarge stable. |
| 08:01.23 | stoned | iKernel, it is very good isn't it |
| 08:01.33 | liable | lord_rob: i suspect its actually in the mbr from when you installed grub.. |
| 08:01.36 | iKernel | stoned, not too bad :) |
| 08:01.41 | stephan__ | stoned, i got a problem |
| 08:01.50 | iKernel | stoned, although, I'm running a 2.4 kernel |
| 08:01.51 | liable | lord_rob: ie, it reads the file when you install grub to the mbr |
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| 08:02.08 | stoned | stephan__, just say the problem |
| 08:02.17 | excore2 | hey i need help |
| 08:02.19 | excore2 | i found thetwo files that cuase my problem at /etc/rcS.d they ar S18hwclockfirst.sh and S50hwclock.sh i try rm to dlete them but get the error as they are read only so i need to know either 1. how to delet and/or change attributes or to disable both in boot anyone know? |
| 08:02.20 | stephan__ | stoned, im installed the xserver-xfree86 package...and its saying its going to remove the nvidia-glx package |
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| 08:02.30 | stoned | iKernel, you can upgrade to 2.6, just dont' remove your 2.4 kernel in case you need to boot with it sometime |
| 08:02.37 | iKernel | ok |
| 08:02.41 | blondie | excore2: maybe it's a spelling problem |
| 08:02.41 | lord_rob | liable: you mean there is "a copy of device.map" in the mbr ? |
| 08:02.50 | stoned | stephan__, are you using xorg on sarge? |
| 08:02.59 | destian | no no, i'm happy with any guesses |
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| 08:03.24 | stoned | wait no |
| 08:03.36 | liable | lord_rob: thats the simple explanation yes. (though i dont know the exact workings of it) |
| 08:03.42 | iKernel | Latest kernel downloadable at this current time is 2.6.8. I am not happy with that version, I want a later version, like 2.6.16. Where can I get a dpkg of such a version? |
| 08:03.49 | excore2 | please stop ignoring me i'm dead in the water with out this answer |
| 08:03.51 | excore2 | i found thetwo files that cuase my problem at /etc/rcS.d they ar S18hwclockfirst.sh and S50hwclock.sh i try rm to dlete them but get the error as they are read only so i need to know either 1. how to delet and/or change attributes or to disable both in boot anyone know? |
| 08:03.56 | plasmoduck | Im using a AMD K6 500, 192MB RAM, 2gig HDD and using the 2.4 kernel. Whould I get slower performence using the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 08:04.02 | stoned | stephan__, the only time it happens that I am myself aware of is when sarge+xorg is good and then you install nvidia-glx, it will remove xserver-xorg, or was removing it a few months ago |
| 08:04.06 | stoned | I dunno about now |
| 08:04.53 | stephan__ | stoned, yea....sarge+xorg are good? what do you mean |
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| 08:05.15 | stoned | stephan__, good meaning they are working on your system, in a useable configuration |
| 08:05.18 | iKernel | plasmoduck, I don't see why you would. |
| 08:05.31 | iKernel | s/you/it; |
| 08:05.39 | liable | excore2: you need root priveleges to rm those links |
| 08:05.51 | liable | excore2: and stop repeating ffs |
| 08:06.00 | stoned | ffs? |
| 08:06.05 | amphi | !ffs |
| 08:06.05 | dpkg | it has been said that ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 08:06.09 | stoned | haha |
| 08:06.11 | stoned | thats cool |
| 08:06.25 | excore2 | well it is logged in root |
| 08:07.00 | liable | then you should be able to remove them |
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| 08:07.21 | excore2 | it says read only |
| 08:07.31 | excore2 | is there a way to change attributs |
| 08:07.41 | liable | excore2: if you are doing this from knoppix, then you need to remount rw |
| 08:07.44 | iKernel | stoned, But the mainly used version of ffs is for fuck's sake. |
| 08:07.47 | excore2 | debian |
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| 08:07.54 | stoned | iKernel, I gathered as much |
| 08:08.16 | stoned | I just printed a new debian sticker! |
| 08:08.16 | excore2 | is there a way to disable or not load those files in boot |
| 08:08.19 | stoned | hehe |
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| 08:08.52 | iKernel | stoned, let me see |
| 08:08.55 | stoned | its got a lamp, a genie, 3d purple goo/blob thing, and tux on it holding a debian flag and wearing ALL debian gear with a sash with different debian releases as buttons |
| 08:08.58 | liable | excore2: yes, i have told you, you need to remove those links. to do that you need to be root, and the partition has to be mounted rw |
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| 08:09.09 | stoned | iKernel, printing machine is offline |
| 08:09.15 | stew | ls |
| 08:09.18 | stoned | not on network |
| 08:09.29 | stoned | stew, wrong window? |
| 08:09.30 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:09.33 | streuner | stew: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/05/threads.html |
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| 08:09.54 | williamvergara | hi |
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| 08:10.02 | williamvergara | i need a quick advice |
| 08:10.04 | excore2 | i'm not on knoppix im using debian thats why im in a debian irc channel so how do i get root and mount rw |
| 08:10.09 | williamvergara | hi, just have a straight question, while having a repository shared via apache, (a repository that just has a few debs), how do i agregate it to other computes /etc/apt/sources.list?? |
| 08:10.12 | liable | stoned: post the picture somewhere |
| 08:10.19 | streuner | stew: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html |
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| 08:11.03 | iKernel | Hmm, there doesn't seem to be a deb package of latest kernel? |
| 08:11.18 | liable | whats the latest kernel? |
| 08:11.23 | iKernel | brd dinner |
| 08:11.26 | stoned | iKernel, 10000.1000000 |
| 08:11.33 | iKernel | latest stable is 2.6.16.18 |
| 08:11.34 | streuner | iKernel: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:11.35 | stoned | I mean liable |
| 08:11.36 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:11.49 | liable | !lart stoned |
| 08:12.14 | stoned | !hug liable |
| 08:12.28 | stoned | :) |
| 08:12.57 | liable | !aww |
| 08:12.57 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 08:13.25 | excore2 | how do i get root and mount rw |
| 08:13.27 | excore2 | ? |
| 08:13.43 | liable | excore2: how are you accessing the disk? |
| 08:13.58 | zu22 | haha |
| 08:14.05 | excore2 | init=/bin/bash on the boot parameter |
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| 08:14.24 | jlaw | good morning |
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| 08:14.28 | excore2 | in grub |
| 08:14.29 | stoned | excore2, there should be a boot option, for 'safe mode' which boots it into read only mode |
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| 08:14.36 | zu22 | !party |
| 08:14.36 | dpkg | it has been said that party is Lego, and alcohol |
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| 08:14.51 | stoned | excore2, or you can shutdown now and then at the maintanance prompt do stuff |
| 08:15.11 | liable | excore2: you should be able to rm stuff if you have done that |
| 08:15.12 | stoned | excore2, or you can modify menu.lst and add the mount read only option to grub |
| 08:15.47 | excore2 | im not even getting logged in it is hanging at : setting up system clock using hardware clock as reference |
| 08:16.09 | stephan__ | brb |
| 08:16.12 | stephan__ | exit |
| 08:16.35 | Toman | Hi, I'm wondering why my anacron never keeps running... It starts when I tell it to, and it starts at boot, but after a while (not sure how long) it just exits. Any ideas? |
| 08:16.46 | zu22 | hi jlaw |
| 08:16.58 | excore2 | is there a wahy to block or not load those o files in grub boot |
| 08:17.33 | Toman | (I run Mepis 3-4-3) |
| 08:17.57 | Gary | :) |
| 08:18.07 | liable | excore2: whats the error you get when you try and remove the links? |
| 08:18.40 | stoned | Toman, #mepis ? |
| 08:19.53 | Toman | stoned, trying there too (no answer) But I figured since it is debian I might as well ask here |
| 08:20.06 | stoned | Toman, usually not a good idea |
| 08:20.12 | stoned | !debian based |
| 08:20.12 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 08:20.18 | liable | no, its not debian. otherwise it would be called debian.. |
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| 08:21.09 | stoned | but Necrophagist a good band |
| 08:21.10 | Toman | *sigh* There are about 5 packages in mepis that are not from debian testing. |
| 08:21.15 | zu22 | !debian |
| 08:21.15 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 08:21.18 | Gary | Toman, jest install Debian |
| 08:21.30 | liable | Toman: why do you think its debian? i mean, why would it be called mepis if it was debian? |
| 08:21.34 | zu22 | !mepis |
| 08:21.34 | dpkg | [mepis] a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See http://www.mepis.org and/or visit #mepis and ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 08:21.35 | tralala | Toman: we don't run mepis and we don't know mepis. We can give you the debian answers but they could destroy your computer! |
| 08:21.35 | stoned | Toman, I don't know anything about anacron |
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| 08:21.51 | fanti | hey! since a few days ago, vim writes 'A' and 'newline' for cursor up, 'B' and 'newline' for cursor down, 'D' and 'newline' for cursor left..... in append mode instead of scrolling down the lines/rows. what could be wrong here? |
| 08:21.54 | Toman | sorry I asked lads |
| 08:21.57 | fanti | i'm using unstable |
| 08:21.58 | stephan__ | !dpkg nvidia |
| 08:21.58 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 08:22.03 | stoned | Toman, you can try a more general linux help/support channel where you may find help and support on linux in general, go to ##linux |
| 08:22.13 | stephan__ | !dpkg nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 08:22.13 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 08:22.16 | stoned | stephan__, please use /msg dpkg keyword |
| 08:22.26 | stephan__ | stoned, sorry :/ |
| 08:22.54 | zu22 | what provides libcurl? i did '/msg dpkg find libcurl in testing' and it returned no results |
| 08:22.55 | fanti | has anyone same problems with vim? |
| 08:22.56 | stephan__ | stoned, didnt work :/ |
| 08:23.05 | stoned | stephan__, what didn't work |
| 08:23.10 | comsa | Is there still a floppy install for debian?? It used to be about 24 x1.44 disks . |
| 08:23.28 | stephan__ | stoned, nvidia drivers. Im in X but no glx support |
| 08:23.42 | stoned | stephan__, try not to be vauge or general. Not working is a huge term |
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| 08:24.11 | stoned | stephan__, you are using sarge + xfree? |
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| 08:24.22 | stephan__ | stoned, yes |
| 08:24.28 | liable | comsa: there is, but it uses the net to download stuff |
| 08:24.29 | stoned | stephan__, and kernel ? |
| 08:24.36 | stephan__ | stoned, 2.4 |
| 08:24.47 | stoned | stephan__, and you installed module assistant? |
| 08:24.51 | stephan__ | stoned, yes |
| 08:25.02 | stoned | stephan__, you also did module-assistant prepare? |
| 08:25.30 | comsa | thanks liable you dont know the site ?? |
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| 08:25.39 | liable | !sarge floppies |
| 08:25.39 | dpkg | sarge floppies is probably http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 08:25.48 | stoned | stephan__, I can't help you if you won't tell me exactly whats going on |
| 08:25.53 | stephan__ | stoned, i did everything u said and got no errors |
| 08:25.53 | comsa | Ta |
| 08:25.54 | Gary | m-a prepare |
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| 08:25.57 | stoned | stephan__, ok |
| 08:26.02 | Toman | stoned, And you think that would be better than asking here? :) |
| 08:26.05 | stoned | stephan__, it comipled the nvidia kernel modlue? |
| 08:26.13 | *** part/#debian NyBB (n=marcos@193.235.138.40) |
| 08:26.21 | stoned | Toman, yes, because more than likely you'll be flamed for asking mepis questions in #debian |
| 08:26.29 | stoned | Toman, I am trying to save you from bullshit |
| 08:26.42 | Toman | okay, thanks. Seems you are right |
| 08:26.43 | stephan__ | stoned, yes, then it went to configure xorg.. and i chose the nv module witch i think is wrong |
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| 08:26.56 | anal | a |
| 08:26.59 | anal | a |
| 08:27.00 | tralala | Toman: debian has a bug tracking system. If it has no bug reports concerning your problem with anacron, then it's not a debian problem. |
| 08:27.01 | anal | a |
| 08:27.06 | zu22 | Toman: join #mepis, Mepis is NOT Debian |
| 08:27.06 | anal | a |
| 08:27.11 | blondie | !ops anal needs removing |
| 08:27.11 | streuner | anal: stop that |
| 08:27.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: anal needs removing |
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| 08:27.12 | anal | a |
| 08:27.16 | anal | a |
| 08:27.19 | anal | a |
| 08:27.26 | anal | LOL |
| 08:27.29 | anal | OMFG |
| 08:27.31 | anal | WOOOO |
| 08:27.34 | anal | WOOOO |
| 08:27.39 | anal | i+ve got a big DICK |
| 08:27.41 | anal | u stop it in u'r mouth |
| 08:27.44 | anal | BIATCH!!!!! |
| 08:27.48 | SlayerXP | anal: on your forehead, yes. |
| 08:27.53 | blondie | lol |
| 08:27.53 | zu22 | what a moron |
| 08:27.53 | lord_rob | :) |
| 08:27.55 | stoned | stephan__, nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then push F6 and type in nv. It will bring you to the devices section. In the devices section change nv to nvidia |
| 08:27.56 | anal | YES:D |
| 08:27.59 | excore2 | the error i get when tring to delete is readonly |
| 08:28.07 | anal | u all are N00Bs |
| 08:28.15 | tralala | hehe |
| 08:28.18 | stoned | stephan__, alternatively you can dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:28.21 | tarzeau | !ops anal goatse |
| 08:28.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: anal goatse |
| 08:28.21 | anal | I'm teh masterer |
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| 08:28.28 | stoned | !ops anal is abusing and spamming |
| 08:28.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: anal is abusing and spamming |
| 08:28.30 | liable | excore2: ok, try mount -o remount rw / |
| 08:28.32 | tralala | please continue, anal |
| 08:28.42 | tralala | we do need some entertainment from time to time |
| 08:28.43 | Toman | tralala, maybe it is a problem with my configuration. Anywho, nevermind. (religion knows no borders) |
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| 08:28.44 | anal | then i will ^ |
| 08:28.55 | anal | jsut kidding |
| 08:29.01 | anal | i need help with my debian |
| 08:29.06 | blondie | tough |
| 08:29.08 | stoned | hah, after all that bullshit, good luck |
| 08:29.08 | lord_rob | sure |
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| 08:29.13 | lord_rob | :) |
| 08:29.16 | anal | jsut trying to get some firends first^ |
| 08:29.18 | streuner | true :-) |
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| 08:29.29 | streuner | stoned: ^^ |
| 08:29.31 | stephan__ | stoned, Generic Video Card and using the nv driver |
| 08:29.32 | anal | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.36 | amphi | !pal anal |
| 08:29.42 | flaccid | is .deb a debian package? how do i install the package? |
| 08:29.44 | stoned | stephan__, do you have an nvidia card |
| 08:29.45 | zu22 | !ops anal needs a kline |
| 08:29.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: anal needs a kline |
| 08:29.50 | tarzeau | flaccid: dpkg -i the.deb |
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| 08:29.56 | stephan__ | stoned, 6660 oc |
| 08:29.59 | stoned | stephan__, do lspci -X and look for nvidia in devices |
| 08:30.15 | anal | I cant change my desktop wallpaper! How to do? |
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| 08:30.20 | liable | gah, stop calling ops, it wont get them here faster |
| 08:30.20 | tralala | anal: we're all your friends now. |
| 08:30.20 | stoned | stephan__, I dont' understand anything when you speak only a few words, without adjectives, nouns, prepositions |
| 08:30.22 | NyBB | anal: hi^ |
| 08:30.22 | stoned | I get lost |
| 08:30.23 | stephan__ | stoned, whats funny, is i got it working in debian before now it wont :( |
| 08:30.28 | anal | ty tralala |
| 08:30.37 | flaccid | ty tarzeau |
| 08:30.42 | NyBB | anal: i think u have a very big dick |
| 08:30.47 | blondie | sigh |
| 08:30.49 | stoned | stephan__, maybe take abrea, smoke a bowl or two, usually thigns make sense when I chill and take a break for a while |
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| 08:30.55 | streuner | dont feed the troll.. |
| 08:31.06 | anal | waht the fuck, stop kidding me, i said that i was sorry. ok? |
| 08:31.14 | liable | oh great, another from the same ip.. |
| 08:31.17 | stephan__ | stoned, VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation |
| 08:31.23 | NyBB | anal: stop being such a pussy |
| 08:31.28 | anal | NyBB: HELLO! |
| 08:31.40 | stoned | stephan__, unless you need open GL + 3D, you are FINE with nv driver |
| 08:31.54 | tralala | !nickometer anal |
| 08:31.55 | dpkg | 'anal' is 0.000% lame, tralala |
| 08:32.00 | NyBB | so buy a new card and downlaod alot of porn |
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| 08:32.05 | stoned | nvidia driver is only for linux games mostly, as they require 3d/gl support |
| 08:32.08 | tralala | dpkg: you should know better than that |
| 08:32.12 | stephan__ | stoned, yea i need gl support |
| 08:32.20 | streuner | tralala: nickometer take care of capital letter and strange chars... |
| 08:32.20 | anal | i love my nick |
| 08:32.21 | NyBB | u can watch good gay prOn on it though |
| 08:32.32 | dn4 | how do I build nvidia drivers for a custome kernel? |
| 08:32.35 | tralala | streuner: it needs improvement |
| 08:32.35 | stoned | stephan__, ahh ok, how about you install a copy of kernel 2.6 and then install the nvidia modules for it |
| 08:32.42 | NyBB | i put in u'r ass |
| 08:33.07 | stoned | NyBB, stop |
| 08:33.08 | streuner | tralala: true, i usually don't like language control, but in this case its different ... ;-) |
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| 08:33.14 | stephan__ | stoned, thats what i wanted to do :p |
| 08:33.23 | NyBB | stoned: i'm only saying the truth |
| 08:33.24 | stoned | stephan__, well then do it |
| 08:33.24 | anal | Nybb: Stop being a dick |
| 08:33.35 | anal | jagygjuip76ujmkrl,hi' |
| 08:33.35 | lord_rob | stoned: NyBB = anal |
| 08:33.35 | anal | + |
| 08:33.37 | stephan__ | stoned, but you was giving such good advice i stuck with 2.4 to test it |
| 08:33.38 | stoned | NyBB, this is #debian SUPPORT channel. Not philosophy, truth |
| 08:33.39 | anal | vc z |
| 08:33.40 | NyBB | anal: i'm not the one with anal as name |
| 08:33.42 | anal | yhi7km |
| 08:33.44 | anal | 9~ |
| 08:34.00 | NyBB | stoned: eh? |
| 08:34.01 | tralala | !sing sunday |
| 08:34.01 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 08:34.02 | stoned | stephan__, advice works for 2.4 as well as 2.6 |
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| 08:34.46 | stoned | !ops nickname 'anal' and nickname 'NyBB' are abusive and are spamming, disctracting for helping regular users. Help, thank. |
| 08:34.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: nickname 'anal' and nickname 'NyBB' are abusive and are spamming, disctracting for helping regular users. Help, thank. |
| 08:35.08 | streuner | stoned: we tried it now 5 times... |
| 08:35.08 | lord_rob | there needs to be more ops here :) |
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| 08:35.11 | stoned | holy horrible jesus jumping jacks my grammar was broken |
| 08:35.12 | stoned | lol |
| 08:35.12 | tralala | stoned: stop buggin the ops |
| 08:35.20 | NyBB | i only need help |
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| 08:35.30 | stoned | tralala, there is a reason why they are ops |
| 08:35.32 | NyBB | stoned: ye stop bugging em |
| 08:35.34 | blondie | tralala: would be nice if the ops did their job |
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| 08:35.47 | stoned | blondie, has a point |
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| 08:36.04 | neger | i wana be ops^^ |
| 08:36.07 | tralala | blondie, stoned: you might ask them if they accept donations |
| 08:36.09 | stoned | oh good god |
| 08:36.35 | neger | give me PUSSY!!!!!!! |
| 08:36.40 | amphi | stoned: /ignore is at your disposal |
| 08:36.47 | streuner | true |
| 08:36.52 | stoned | tralala, it doen't matter if you get paid or if you volunteer. IF you take the responsibility for something, that is ALL that there is to it |
| 08:36.53 | streuner | *PLONK* |
| 08:37.05 | stoned | amphi, thank you sir |
| 08:37.06 | stoned | :) |
| 08:37.15 | neger | thank u:D |
| 08:37.21 | liable | stoned: um, no. does that mean they arent allowed to sleep or leave there computer? |
| 08:37.30 | tralala | stoned: it *does* |
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| 08:37.39 | liable | stoned: if they were on irc now, they would have responded |
| 08:37.41 | neger | any nigger here? |
| 08:37.57 | excore2 | i need to know where base-config is to configur my video/monitor because xserver hasa fatal error when try to start it |
| 08:38.01 | stoned | liable, did I say that? If you are an op, you have responsibilities. You are putting words in my mouth and making assumptions and totally misreading what I have said |
| 08:38.02 | dn4 | line 1: artsshell: command not found |
| 08:38.20 | sep | neger, we'r all green with pink polkadots on irc. |
| 08:38.23 | neger | ban stone, he is a noob |
| 08:38.25 | stoned | If there are not enough channel moderators, THEN GET MORE |
| 08:38.28 | excore2 | btw the stuff you told me where right i was able to delete those files and they worked |
| 08:38.32 | blondie | the problem is they are all in the same time zone |
| 08:38.34 | blondie | (I think) |
| 08:38.42 | lord_rob | yep |
| 08:38.44 | stoned | in such a huge channel like this, you need at least some ops that are active |
| 08:38.50 | neger | klallalalallalalalalallalalalalalallala, let's sing |
| 08:38.56 | stoned | there is a point to what I am saying and not just talking out my ass |
| 08:38.59 | liable | blondie: mostly, yes. and the few that arent seem to have left recently |
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| 08:39.26 | tralala | stoned: I understand that you're voulenteering. You can send them your CV. |
| 08:39.37 | neger | kick stoned |
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| 08:39.46 | stoned | tralala, I have no use for sarcasm, and it is quite useless especially here. |
| 08:39.48 | amphi | stoned: there's f all going on in the channel that /ignore can't cope with, inlcuding your ravings ;) |
| 08:39.53 | dn4 | how cna I get artsshell? |
| 08:40.05 | excore2 | how do i run base-config |
| 08:40.05 | neger | where can I get pussy??!+!+1 |
| 08:40.10 | excore2 | ? |
| 08:40.20 | liable | neger: irc.efnet |
| 08:40.22 | stoned | amphi, I am not even wanting to talk about this. I simply reported a spammer to the ops and this asshole goes off on me telling me not to bug ops |
| 08:40.29 | stoned | wtf is that :( |
| 08:40.32 | jlaw | damn ... i brushed away a filling and swallowed it -.- have to go to my dentist |
| 08:40.38 | tralala | stoned: I have no use for whining about others peoples responsibilities. Talk about *yours* if you want. Don't tell others what to do. |
| 08:40.47 | liable | !drxx excore2 |
| 08:40.48 | dpkg | excore2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:40.52 | neger | liable: there wern't any there |
| 08:40.58 | streuner | stoned: we did that 5 times, oh, 6 times :-) |
| 08:41.06 | lord_rob | stoned: tralala loves to troll also |
| 08:41.12 | stoned | streuner, and there is nothing wrong with it |
| 08:41.13 | stoned | :) |
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| 08:41.21 | stoned | lord_rob, I figured |
| 08:41.22 | stoned | anyway |
| 08:41.24 | lord_rob | :) |
| 08:41.26 | liable | except it nnoying.. |
| 08:41.29 | stoned | stephan__, did you get that 2.6 kernel yet? |
| 08:41.33 | streuner | stoned: well, lets see how they see that ;-) |
| 08:41.40 | stoned | stephan__, let me know and I could try walking you throug hit |
| 08:41.44 | neger | FnIiZz |
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| 08:42.47 | neger | give me ass!! |
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| 08:43.11 | iKernel | neger, go away |
| 08:43.17 | stoned | people always get heated up and angry and frustrated and agitated, keep that mind that working with linux can someimes to that, especially to noobs, there is no reason to get hostile |
| 08:43.28 | stoned | then again, some people are just assholes and want to cause trouble |
| 08:43.33 | iKernel | Are there debian sarge packages for kernel 2.6.16? |
| 08:43.35 | destian | proxy attack? |
| 08:43.39 | neger | i'm a asshole^^ |
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| 08:43.48 | tralala | iKernel: backports.org |
| 08:44.07 | iKernel | tralala, ok |
| 08:44.10 | streuner | neger: don't flood us with your CRAP! |
| 08:44.18 | stoned | I am going to smoke a bowl |
| 08:44.19 | stoned | fuck this |
| 08:44.20 | stoned | :/ |
| 08:44.20 | amphi | neger: no one was harbouring any doubts on that score |
| 08:44.25 | stoned | if you need me, highlight me |
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| 08:44.32 | kalle | ey |
| 08:44.53 | Xeqtr | ? |
| 08:44.59 | Xeqtr | Need help |
| 08:45.01 | Xeqtr | öh |
| 08:45.09 | liable | !ask |
| 08:45.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:45.24 | Xeqtr | ok ty |
| 08:45.36 | Xeqtr | hmm let me se |
| 08:45.38 | Xeqtr | see* |
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| 08:45.44 | stoned | man my legs are stiff wow, my kees hurt |
| 08:45.48 | papinisascha | Hi all |
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| 08:46.15 | papinisascha[IT] | I'm italian and i don't speak very well english but i try it |
| 08:46.24 | tralala | !it |
| 08:46.24 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 08:46.27 | Xeqtr | i dont have any wallpaper in icewm |
| 08:46.32 | Xeqtr | and i cant change |
| 08:46.40 | papinisascha[IT] | dpkg: grazie mille |
| 08:46.56 | tralala | dpkg: botsnack |
| 08:46.56 | dpkg | tralala: :) |
| 08:47.06 | stoned | Xeqtr, there are a few icwm config utilities |
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| 08:47.27 | stoned | Xeqtr, apt-cache search icewm |
| 08:47.34 | streuner | well, there is a need to ban via bot, a solution like 5 people say this a troll would be a fine thingie |
| 08:47.39 | Xeqtr | yeah, but it still wont work, its just blavk and white like crosses :S |
| 08:47.40 | papinisascha[IT] | can help me with snort and acidlab |
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| 08:47.44 | stoned | Xeqtr, iceconf, icemc, icepref |
| 08:47.47 | stoned | and so forth |
| 08:48.00 | Xeqtr | OK ill try it |
| 08:48.02 | Xeqtr | :D |
| 08:48.04 | tralala | streuner: it could easily be abused |
| 08:48.05 | streuner | like, dpkg, vote foo is a troll |
| 08:48.13 | streuner | tralala: yes |
| 08:48.35 | papinisascha[IT] | I have install snort and acidlab with mysql apt-get install snort-mysql acidlab |
| 08:48.38 | Xeqtr | Lol, i found out. ty |
| 08:48.40 | tralala | and I don't want to be banned by a bored script kiddie |
| 08:48.46 | stoned | Xeqtr, you're wellllcome |
| 08:48.48 | streuner | tralala: in this case you have to give more privileges to regulars... |
| 08:48.49 | Xeqtr | :D |
| 08:48.49 | stoned | -lll |
| 08:49.00 | Xeqtr | can y get my name in yellow=? |
| 08:49.07 | tralala | streuner: that sounds much better |
| 08:49.08 | stoned | sorry what?> |
| 08:49.11 | streuner | tralala: and in the end you have to ask yourself, are you an OP or NOT :-) |
| 08:49.24 | tralala | hehe |
| 08:49.26 | stoned | streuner, that dude is still on about that |
| 08:49.28 | stoned | damn |
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| 08:49.40 | papinisascha[IT] | i configure it with all PREREQUISITES |
| 08:49.40 | stoned | some people just don't know when to let shit go |
| 08:49.58 | papinisascha[IT] | but don't run ......... |
| 08:50.00 | Anal | :D |
| 08:50.05 | liable | they will never give more ops to regulars. wait till we move to oftc and all the devs can opper us.. |
| 08:50.22 | lord_rob | actually it's quite amusing unless you need help |
| 08:50.23 | lord_rob | :) |
| 08:50.37 | streuner | liable: you became OP if you are a DD in the past |
| 08:50.48 | streuner | ... |
| 08:50.58 | liable | streuner: how many DD hang in here? |
| 08:51.18 | stoned | liable, I know some maintainers |
| 08:51.24 | tralala | liable: it's not about giving an op but about giving a troll voting priviledge for auto ban |
| 08:51.28 | stoned | dunno any DDs here |
| 08:51.31 | streuner | liable: hm, hard to say, the question is are some of them willing to help here |
| 08:51.51 | liable | streuner: very few it seems |
| 08:52.04 | liable | streuner: theres a few |
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| 08:52.05 | streuner | stoned: people.debian.org and search over nick |
| 08:52.13 | stoned | word |
| 08:52.17 | lord_rob | tralala: ban is useless, he's probably using open proxies |
| 08:52.41 | Anal | hamena |
| 08:52.45 | streuner | well, he has the same IP... |
| 08:52.46 | lord_rob | mode +r |
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| 08:52.59 | Anal | where si my dear fellow NyBB? |
| 08:53.06 | stoned | /ignore works wondefully |
| 08:53.12 | stoned | amphi, thank you for suggesting it |
| 08:53.19 | liable | tralala: i am talking about more ops for #debian, but they seem unwilling to do so unless you are a DD even with some very old regulars in here |
| 08:53.23 | *** part/#debian papinisascha[IT] (n=Admin@host102-30.pool82107.interbusiness.it) |
| 08:53.48 | Anal | www.shitcity.com :D |
| 08:53.53 | Anal | cu ppl |
| 08:53.54 | stoned | jeez |
| 08:53.54 | blondie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.03 | amphi | stoned: /ignore -replies is nice too ;) |
| 08:54.06 | *** part/#debian Anal (n=kalle@193.235.138.40) |
| 08:54.22 | stoned | amphi, well, I made extensive use of/ignore on irssi, I am on xchat now and I have no idea how this client works |
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| 08:54.36 | stoned | I have not bothered to look it up |
| 08:54.39 | amphi | stoned: nor me, I use irssi |
| 08:54.41 | liable | so learn it? |
| 08:54.41 | lord_rob | stoned: /help ignore |
| 08:54.43 | tralala | liable: I don't think ops are needed that much. |
| 08:55.03 | stoned | liable, heh, I can't be bothered |
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| 08:55.21 | liable | tralala: mostly not. but on occasions we have to put up with a fair bit of shit from losers cause there are no ops |
| 08:55.47 | liable | but anyway.. |
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| 08:56.05 | tralala | liable: In that case the streuner's idea about bans from a bot based on voting should be fine |
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| 08:56.30 | RvGaTe | how do i know if my box is accepting connections on some port? |
| 08:56.33 | streuner | liable: the question is rather who are able to vote... |
| 08:56.36 | stoned | liable, that is why I suggested more ops hehe, which of course has been suggested below |
| 08:56.39 | liable | tralala: and then what stops a loser and his mates joining and banning us all? |
| 08:56.40 | stoned | RvGaTe, netcat |
| 08:56.47 | stoned | RvGaTe, apt-get install netcat, man nc |
| 08:57.15 | RvGaTe | thx, ill look into it |
| 08:57.22 | stoned | RvGaTe, you're welcome |
| 08:57.23 | tralala | liable: you didn't follow that discussion I can see. Only the regulars will have voting ringhts. |
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| 08:57.39 | dondelelcaro | voting rights? |
| 08:57.43 | liable | tralala: what defines a regular? |
| 08:57.55 | stoned | hey an op is here |
| 08:58.10 | tralala | !debstats |
| 08:58.10 | dpkg | debstats is probably managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 08:58.29 | tralala | dondelelcaro: /lastlog |
| 08:58.42 | stoned | haha, I have that same domain, dontexist(mine is.com) |
| 08:58.47 | streuner | dondelelcaro: we have a problem with a troll... |
| 08:58.53 | dondelelcaro | streuner: they've left... |
| 08:58.58 | liable | tralala: how can debstats define what a regular is? |
| 08:58.58 | lord_rob | I'm with knoppix live cd. I start a terminal, "su ; mount /dev/hde8 ; chroot /mnt/hde8" (I'm now in my chrooted debian installation). Then lilo says "Fatal : open /dev/hde : permission denied". Any idea why ? |
| 08:59.15 | stoned | lord_rob, you wanna get flamed man, go to #knoppix, don't ask here |
| 08:59.24 | stoned | lord_rob, save yourself from trouble in here |
| 08:59.28 | streuner | dondelelcaro: so what's the reason why we change to oftc? |
| 08:59.40 | tarzeau | what kde application creates /tmp/ktar-*.tar ? |
| 08:59.41 | dondelelcaro | streuner: only i.d.o is changing |
| 08:59.53 | RvGaTe | stoned: isn't that almost the same as telnet? |
| 08:59.56 | liable | lord_rob: fixing menu.lst didnt work? |
| 08:59.58 | tralala | liable: it gives a pretty good idea. And the ops should know the regulars as well. |
| 08:59.59 | dondelelcaro | this channel will stay pretty much the same |
| 09:00.04 | streuner | dondelelcaro: yes, but most user will use i.d.o. |
| 09:00.08 | stoned | RvGaTe, not really, read the man |
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| 09:00.29 | zu22 | !knoppix |
| 09:00.29 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian> |
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| 09:00.42 | streuner | ic |
| 09:00.46 | tralala | zu22: please, /msg the bot |
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| 09:01.00 | dondelelcaro | streuner: See the announcement, and the discussion; basically the major development channels have been moving to OFTC for some time now, OFTC is actually an SPI project, and more importantly, the management of OFTC is more transparent |
| 09:01.02 | iKernel | I've setup the debian backports repo, but I still don't see any newer kernels, such as 2.6.14. |
| 09:01.22 | stoned | tralala, stop confronting people. He used !knoppix to show lord_rob |
| 09:01.46 | liable | and lord_rob is trying to fix debian... |
| 09:01.47 | dondelelcaro | iKernel: the stuff that is present in backports.org is purely a function of the maintainers that have uploaded packages there; not everything has been uploaded to it. |
| 09:01.55 | lord_rob | liable: the problem is that when I do grub-install /dev/hde (also from kanotix). I get : "File /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
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| 09:02.00 | zu22 | tralala: i was typing it for lord_rob's benefit |
| 09:02.02 | RoyK | hi |
| 09:02.06 | RoyK | anyone using amd64 here? |
| 09:02.12 | dondelelcaro | !anyone use |
| 09:02.12 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:02.15 | iKernel | dondelelcaro, ok. |
| 09:02.17 | stoned | lol |
| 09:02.17 | liable | lord_rob: did you try reinstalling grub? |
| 09:02.39 | iKernel | I guess I'll just download nvidia driver from nvidia's site and install it. |
| 09:02.41 | RoyK | I'm trying to install sarge on an IBM xseries 306 and sarge doesn't find it's cdrom :( |
| 09:02.46 | tralala | iKernel: backports has 2.6.15 for sure |
| 09:02.46 | stoned | lord_rob, how did you screw up your debian install, I am curious |
| 09:02.47 | lord_rob | liable: the problem hee is that on a kanotix chroot to my debian partition |
| 09:02.48 | liable | lord_rob: and whats your lilo command you were trying? |
| 09:02.49 | RoyK | the one it booted from.... |
| 09:02.52 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: will #debian stay on freenode for the forseeable future? |
| 09:03.04 | lord_rob | stoned: trying to switch from lilo to grub :/ |
| 09:03.07 | RoyK | zu22: why shouldn't it? |
| 09:03.08 | dondelelcaro | zu22: there are #debian's on most major networks. |
| 09:03.09 | stoned | lord_rob, ahh |
| 09:03.29 | stoned | lord_rob, as far as I know, apt-get --purge remove lilo && apt-get install grub |
| 09:03.30 | stoned | heh |
| 09:03.40 | stoned | lord_rob, how did it get messed up? |
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| 09:04.07 | iKernel | tralala, doesn't for me, what's your apt sources line? |
| 09:04.14 | liable | lord_rob: oh, so you cant even chroot to it? |
| 09:04.44 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: oh heh, i wonder which has the most traffic |
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| 09:04.57 | liable | this one atm |
| 09:05.00 | lord_rob | liable: I'm on kanotix live cd, I chrooted to debian. But here I can't do grub-install /dev/hde nor lilo |
| 09:05.00 | dondelelcaro | probably this one, but I'm really not to certain. |
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| 09:05.30 | eatingtheproverb | #ubuntu |
| 09:05.35 | liable | lord_rob: what lilo command are you using? |
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| 09:05.38 | tralala | iKernel: I can't check it now, but you can find instructions for the sources.list there |
| 09:05.40 | lord_rob | liable: grub-install /dev/hde displays : the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 09:05.45 | lord_rob | liable: lilo |
| 09:05.52 | iKernel | Hmm, nvidia has released a new version of their drivers. |
| 09:05.58 | lord_rob | nothing more liable |
| 09:06.00 | liable | lord_rob: try lilo -b /dev/hde |
| 09:06.42 | lord_rob | liable: dosn't work , but you give me an idea. What about lilo -b /dev/fd0 |
| 09:07.34 | liable | lord_rob: what does kanotix say about your devices? are they the same as with debian? |
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| 09:08.52 | zu22 | i have libc6-dev installed but when i install some new packages it dpkg still Recommends it. I guess dpkg doesn't check to see if the recommended package is already installed and if so not include it in the Recommended section. Is it ok to email the dpkg maintainer and suggest this feature? |
| 09:09.15 | lord_rob | liable: yes /dev/hde8 has the same content of /dev/hde8 in debian |
| 09:09.48 | liable | lord_rob: what does lilo command actually fail with? |
| 09:09.57 | sonia | my ISP sendmail production server is continously crashing , is anybody is having the sendmail.mc file using in production servers |
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| 09:09.59 | dondelelcaro | zu22: I can't parse what you're saying; dpkg doesn't do anything with recommends. |
| 09:10.04 | iKernel | tralala, still no |
| 09:10.21 | dondelelcaro | sonia: the mc file is built from your m4 file; it's configuration dependent. |
| 09:10.21 | tralala | iKernel: what's your arch? |
| 09:10.25 | iKernel | tralala, x86 |
| 09:10.36 | iKernel | tralala, sorry, im wrong |
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| 09:10.56 | dondelelcaro | s/mc/cf/ |
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| 09:10.59 | iKernel | tralala, there is even 2.6.16. it's synaptic's fault that I can't see the newer packages. |
| 09:11.28 | stoned | iKernel, I find console to be much more productive than synaptic |
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| 09:11.34 | tralala | iKernel: it's called linux-image now |
| 09:11.38 | lord_rob | liable: Fatal: open /dev/hde: permission denied (same with /dev/fd0) |
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| 09:11.47 | dondelelcaro | lord_rob: you're doing that as root, right? |
| 09:11.47 | stoned | lord_rob, ouch |
| 09:11.53 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: sorry, i have libc6-dev already installed, i noticed when installing some additional packages that dpkg was saying "Recommended packages: libc6-dev", i was saying that i think the ideal behaviour of dpkg is for an already installed or already to-be-installed package to NOT get included in the "Recommended" listing. Since this is redundant. Just have it Recommend packages not already installed or to-be-installed seems best by my reasoning. |
| 09:12.04 | dondelelcaro | zu22: dpkg doesn't do recommends. |
| 09:12.06 | tralala | zu22: dpkg or apt? |
| 09:12.11 | iKernel | tralala, I know. |
| 09:12.16 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: doh sorry "apt-get" i meant |
| 09:12.21 | zu22 | tralala: apt that is |
| 09:12.29 | dondelelcaro | zu22: yes, that's a known limitation; use aptitude if you don't want to see that. |
| 09:12.35 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 09:12.40 | stoned | !dpkg |
| 09:12.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see ... |
| 09:12.50 | stoned | ahh, its pkg |
| 09:13.00 | stoned | I always wondered what dpkg stood for |
| 09:13.04 | stoned | sorry, ignore me |
| 09:13.07 | iKernel | lol |
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| 09:13.30 | lord_rob | dondelelcaro: in kanotix I open a konsole, then I type su, in su I mount /dev/hde8 (my debian /) then chroot /dev/hde8 (so yes I am root) and hde8 is mounted read-write |
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| 09:13.53 | liable | lord_rob: whats the perms? i dunno about kanotix, but knoppix mounts drives ro by default |
| 09:13.54 | iKernel | when ever I see dpkg, the mental pronouceation of that is d package |
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| 09:14.12 | liable | lord_rob: try exiting the chroot and remounting rw? |
| 09:14.20 | iKernel | or maybe d pekage |
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| 09:14.42 | stoned | iKernel, when I see dpkg, I just see dpkg, and I like to call it by its alphabets, DEE PEE KAY GEE :D its fun |
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| 09:15.00 | dn4 | ahhh my poison ivy is itching like mad! |
| 09:15.06 | iKernel | stoned, I don't work like that :) |
| 09:15.10 | lord_rob | liable: not as root, it mounts as rw. mount displays "/dev/hde8 on /mnt/hde8 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
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| 09:15.24 | iKernel | wish the debian backports australian mirrors were working... |
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| 09:17.36 | sonia | then what me the reason of sendmail crashing |
| 09:18.11 | zu22 | j #netrek |
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| 09:18.27 | liable | lord_rob: hrm, try remounting it just with rw |
| 09:18.50 | zu22 | be back later , quiting irc to save some bandwidth while i download |
| 09:18.50 | zu22 | oops wrong channel :) |
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| 09:19.18 | lord_rob | liable: ok |
| 09:19.40 | tralala | zu22: irc is very low on bandwidth. |
| 09:19.46 | liable | lord_rob: the nosuid might be a problem in a chroot as far as i can see |
| 09:19.57 | iKernel | holy crap, it's only 5:18 pm. |
| 09:20.12 | iKernel | guess time goes slowly when you're watching tv wating for debian to install... |
| 09:20.12 | tijn | 11:20 |
| 09:20.15 | tijn | :D |
| 09:20.19 | iKernel | pm? |
| 09:20.24 | tralala | 12:21pm |
| 09:20.29 | RvGaTe | 11.20 here aswell |
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| 09:20.44 | stoned | oh man, I have not heard marilymanson in a long time, since I was like 15 heh, good music |
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| 09:20.56 | iKernel | stoned, I am 15 |
| 09:21.01 | stoned | cool |
| 09:21.10 | stoned | I am iKernel + 10 |
| 09:21.25 | iKernel | Yay, I've been waiting for a reason to say that I am 15. thanks stoned |
| 09:21.26 | brownie17 | stoned = ikernal plus ten |
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| 09:21.39 | brownie17 | dim stoned as integer, ikernal as integer |
| 09:21.40 | lord_rob | liable: yes indeed, the nodev also |
| 09:21.44 | iKernel | brownie17, that's not my nick (at least not how you spell it) |
| 09:21.48 | liable | lord_rob: yerp |
| 09:21.55 | brownie17 | iKernel, oops, my mistake |
| 09:22.00 | iKernel | brownie17, A sure sign that you're using tab completion too :) |
| 09:22.03 | iKernel | not. |
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| 09:22.09 | iKernel | brownie17, np |
| 09:22.19 | brownie17 | iKernel, usually i do, but today i am crappy :D best explaination i can give |
| 09:22.24 | stoned | lol |
| 09:22.26 | RvGaTe | <- bored |
| 09:22.26 | iKernel | ok |
| 09:22.28 | iKernel | lol |
| 09:22.35 | stoned | RvGaTe, did that work out for you |
| 09:22.37 | iKernel | RvGaTe, http://bored.com/ |
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| 09:23.05 | stoned | RvGaTe, you figured out netcat yet? |
| 09:23.09 | RvGaTe | stoned: yeah, worked, almost like telnet, only gives back a response |
| 09:23.10 | iKernel | thinks* |
| 09:23.11 | RichiH | lc |
| 09:23.18 | tralala | RvGaTe: /msg dpkg entertain |
| 09:23.21 | stoned | its a bit more than that |
| 09:23.28 | HyperNewbie | hey, does anyone know a lot about cleaning up uneeded files on debian? |
| 09:23.31 | RvGaTe | that was all i needed |
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| 09:23.35 | stoned | RvGaTe, you can actually use netcat to even host a small basic http server |
| 09:23.36 | stoned | heh |
| 09:24.05 | RvGaTe | only the next problem pupped up when i tried it |
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| 09:24.49 | RvGaTe | netcat ip.ip.ip.ip 6667, and netcat ip.ip.ip.ip 6668; both worked |
| 09:24.53 | liable | tralala: have you been studying the factoids or something? another obscure one :) |
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| 09:25.08 | RvGaTe | but when i forward them on my router, only 1 works |
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| 09:25.10 | dobbyX | can somone give me a good link where i can find how to tune my debian box? |
| 09:25.12 | tralala | liable: yeah :) I'm bored too :) |
| 09:25.24 | jlaw | man, this dentist narcotized my half face ... i look like a zombie |
| 09:25.25 | liable | heh |
| 09:25.28 | tralala | !entertain me |
| 09:25.28 | dpkg | "Two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar. The first atom turns to the second and says "I think I'm missing an electron", the second askes "Are you sure?" The first replies "Yeah, I'm positive" |
| 09:25.29 | brownie17 | dobbyX, tune? i think you need to be more specific |
| 09:25.41 | stoned | lol |
| 09:25.43 | liable | oh dear |
| 09:25.48 | brownie17 | !entertain me |
| 09:25.48 | dpkg | "Two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar. The first atom turns to the second and says "I think I'm missing an electron", the second askes "Are you sure?" The first replies "Yeah, I'm positive" |
| 09:25.50 | stoned | that is a true retarded+funy joke |
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| 09:25.54 | brownie17 | it says the same thing every time |
| 09:26.04 | brownie17 | stoned, an oldie too |
| 09:26.08 | tralala | brownie17: yeah, it's not a command |
| 09:26.25 | brownie17 | tralala, it's not a command? then what is it? |
| 09:26.27 | tralala | !factinfo entertain me |
| 09:26.27 | dpkg | entertain me -- created by EdibleText <~EdibleTex@h-66-166-193-50.nycmny83.covad.net> at Thu Jul 7 15:52:21 2005 (319 days). |
| 09:26.32 | jlaw | i can even normally smoke. i have to use a thumb to keep my mouth closed - otherwise i create sounds like rattling farts |
| 09:26.43 | dobbyX | i mean tuning it for server oriented task for exaple disk tuning filessystem tuning tcp tuning etc |
| 09:26.44 | liable | wtf?? |
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| 09:26.51 | stoned | tralala, you still type a command to get the factoid, thus, it is a command |
| 09:26.57 | brownie17 | jlaw, lol, how long's it last for!? |
| 09:27.14 | tralala | stoned: some factoids are commands (cmd: something) |
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| 09:27.20 | jlaw | brownie17: don't know, hopefully not too long |
| 09:27.24 | lord_rob | liable: I did mount -t ext3 /dev/hde8 /mnt/hde8 then chrooted and lilo was ok. Good so far :) |
| 09:27.37 | liable | lord_rob: cool :) |
| 09:27.37 | formorer | Q |
| 09:27.39 | Loady | hi im having some problems with deb packages in amd64. i need to install php4-pear, and for some reason it wants to install php5-common and upgrade php4. any ideas, this is a production server and therefor i cant risk breaking anything. |
| 09:27.46 | brownie17 | jlaw, try something like piercing your mouth while it's still working! |
| 09:27.47 | iKernel | brb, wait for nvidia driver to download, init 3, install nvidia driver, reboot |
| 09:28.03 | RvGaTe | since im still bored, any ideas what i could add on this page? http://pc.rvgate.n/ |
| 09:28.17 | RvGaTe | http://pc.rvgate.nl/ |
| 09:28.25 | jlaw | brownie17, yeah i could pierce half my face ... bet that looks cool !-) |
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| 09:29.05 | iKernel | RvGaTe, cpu info |
| 09:29.10 | brownie17 | jlaw, damn right, like a true homie! lol, wigga's a so funny |
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| 09:29.13 | jlaw | brownie, i got an idea - have you ever seen "itchy the killer"?-) |
| 09:29.25 | RvGaTe | iKernel: thats not cool |
| 09:29.34 | brownie17 | jlaw, nope, but i've seen "Mr Stabby" what's itchy the killler? |
| 09:30.04 | lord_rob | liable: yes, I'm back on lilo. My debian boots again :). Now that I know how to rescue, time to grub again :) |
| 09:30.28 | apt-abh1 | hi there |
| 09:30.32 | brownie17 | jlaw, do you mean Ichi the Killer? |
| 09:30.40 | lord_rob | I'll first try grub-install /dev/fd0 |
| 09:30.58 | jlaw | brownie17: yes ... little typo ... know what i mean?-) |
| 09:31.27 | liable | lord_rob: sweet |
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| 09:31.41 | tralala | RvGaTe: put asleep? |
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| 09:31.57 | RvGaTe | tralala: put who to sleep? |
| 09:32.00 | brownie17 | jlaw, all i understand is that is a fairly influential japanese film? |
| 09:32.01 | RvGaTe | ;) |
| 09:32.26 | tralala | RvGaTe: a button at the web page |
| 09:32.31 | apt-abh1 | hello |
| 09:32.33 | tralala | or a link |
| 09:32.40 | jlaw | brownie17, well i could do this, at least on one side !-) http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000CABGW.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg |
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| 09:32.46 | tralala | you do have wakup but not put asleep |
| 09:33.06 | RvGaTe | tralala: is that possible? like remotely shutdown a pc? |
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| 09:33.14 | RvGaTe | (windows) |
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| 09:34.22 | tralala | speaking about digging out factoids... |
| 09:34.28 | tralala | !windowsword RvGaTe |
| 09:34.46 | RvGaTe | whoops |
| 09:34.58 | lord_rob | !windows |
| 09:34.58 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 09:35.12 | tralala | hehehe :) |
| 09:35.12 | lord_rob | I just love this one :) |
| 09:35.24 | tralala | dondelelcaro: did you make dpkg say that? |
| 09:36.03 | RvGaTe | !factinfo windows |
| 09:36.03 | dpkg | windows -- last modified at Fri Sep 23 19:47:00 2005 by ircops!n=Anthony@nsc66.147.74-153.newsouth.net; it has been requested 52 times, last by avu at Sat Nov 26 17:43:59 2005. |
| 09:36.19 | RvGaTe | !factinfo !windows |
| 09:36.19 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as !windows, RvGaTe |
| 09:36.36 | tralala | RvGaTe: privately, please |
| 09:36.47 | RvGaTe | pff |
| 09:36.48 | RvGaTe | k |
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| 09:37.12 | iKernel | :( |
| 09:37.32 | RvGaTe | wha happend |
| 09:37.43 | iKernel | How do I stop X from starting on bootup? |
| 09:37.56 | tralala | !nodm |
| 09:37.56 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 09:38.38 | iKernel | tralala, :) newsflash part is good |
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| 09:40.09 | brownie17 | jlaw, sick. funny though |
| 09:41.25 | lord_rob | liable: grub still doesn't work when installed on mbr :/ If I remember correctly, in lilo I needed a special option "lba32" in order lilo to work correctly. Is there a simillar option for grub ? |
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| 09:42.38 | iKernel | bah, I'll just put "ipreojgre0i80-95 -" as the driver in the xf86config |
| 09:42.50 | iKernel | or something else random |
| 09:44.20 | lord_rob | nice iKernel, so you won't be able to use X anymore ... what's the point of installing it then ? |
| 09:44.24 | lord_rob | ah he's left |
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| 09:48.40 | liable | lord_rob: grub doesnt need that as its for large disks, and grub can sope with them ok |
| 09:48.55 | liable | iirc |
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| 09:49.27 | liable | lord_rob: did you fix your menu.lst though? |
| 09:49.29 | pinky | Why is it that when inserting any optical media with an iso9660 filesystem it is auto-mounted fine, but when inserting a data DVD I burn with UDF (version 1.02 at that) it fails and I have to do a "mount -t udf" on bash (which works)? |
| 09:49.37 | liable | lord_rob: paste the one you are using now |
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| 09:49.53 | pinky | I mean video DVDs work fine, and they're UDF, right? |
| 09:50.30 | pinky | Again, many data DVDs I have burned using UDF 1.02 instead of iso9660, and those fail to auto-mount when inserted even though I can do it just fine using the command prompt. |
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| 09:50.40 | dn4 | anyone have cures for the itch of poison ivy? |
| 09:50.47 | liable | they are iso9660 i think |
| 09:50.57 | brownie17 | dn4, tomato soup and calamine lotion |
| 09:51.10 | pinky | Where is the configuration for tha activity of auto-mounting? |
| 09:51.49 | lord_rob | liable: yes http://paste.lisp.org/display/20307 |
| 09:51.59 | quitte | pinky: in gnome? |
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| 09:52.13 | lord_rob | liable: this one works when I do grub-instal /dev/fd0 |
| 09:52.16 | pinky | quitte: In KDE *and* GNOME |
| 09:52.24 | brownie17 | does anyone have any idea on how to make a scanner work? or how to install plustek sane? |
| 09:52.39 | quitte | pinky: in gnome its gnome-volume-manager. no idea about kde |
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| 09:52.44 | pinky | quitte: I first thought this was a desktop environment/wm specific issue, but apparenlt not |
| 09:52.50 | liable | lord_rob: whats grub say when it fails? |
| 09:52.58 | liable | lord_rob: or does it install ok? |
| 09:53.03 | pinky | quitte: I can use that to fix it so it automounts UDF media correctly? |
| 09:53.08 | lord_rob | liable: yes it does |
| 09:53.11 | liable | in that case, whats the kernel say? |
| 09:53.11 | quitte | no idea,sorry |
| 09:53.15 | lord_rob | liable: error when booting |
| 09:53.16 | pinky | quitte: I mean why is it failing to detect it as UDF and mount it as such? |
| 09:53.32 | lord_rob | liable: no kernel, no menu |
| 09:53.46 | pinky | My ext3 external USB HDD mounts fine, as well as iso9660 CDs and DVDs, and even UDF video DVDs... |
| 09:53.53 | quitte | pinky: maybe setting the filesystem for it inn fstab to auto helps. |
| 09:53.54 | tralala | pinky: what is your fstab saying? |
| 09:53.55 | lord_rob | liable: grub fails with error 17 before displaying a menu |
| 09:54.02 | liable | lord_rob: is this the only hard drive in the box? is the bios set to boot from it? |
| 09:54.07 | liable | oh |
| 09:54.19 | RoyK | Can anyone please help me out here? I'm trying to install debian sarge amd64 on a box, but sarge doesn't see the cdrom........ |
| 09:54.22 | quitte | pinky: video dvds dont get mounted |
| 09:54.29 | pinky | /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 09:54.33 | liable | lord_rob: how did you install grub? grub-install /dev/hde? |
| 09:54.39 | lord_rob | liable: not sure about the error number |
| 09:54.42 | lord_rob | liable: yes |
| 09:55.04 | pinky | quitte: Umm, then how do I browse the directories on them? |
| 09:55.09 | liable | lord_rob: and it installs without error? |
| 09:55.21 | lord_rob | liable: and grub-install /dev/fd0 produces a working boot floppy |
| 09:55.25 | lord_rob | liable: yes |
| 09:55.28 | pinky | tralala: That's the line relevant to the IDE drive I'm using |
| 09:55.32 | tralala | pinky: have you tried replacing udf,iso9660 with auto? |
| 09:55.44 | liable | lord_rob: whats fdisk -l /dev/hde show? |
| 09:55.54 | lavi | hi all, i 've a problem while compiling source. its need automake1.9, my os just have automake1.4, so i use apt-get to install automake1.9. however, it still print automake is 1.4 after run automake. why? |
| 09:56.09 | pinky | tralala: I have not. Although it *does* say udf there (shouldn't that work?) you suggest trying that? |
| 09:56.25 | quitte | pinky: oh. well then it gets mounted. but its not needed for watching dvds |
| 09:56.46 | tralala | pinky: yeah, it's supposed to work... give auto a try anyhow |
| 09:57.19 | lord_rob | liable: yes http://paste.lisp.org/display/20308 |
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| 09:57.28 | quitte | pinky: can you manually mount those dvds? |
| 09:57.34 | pinky | quitte: yes |
| 09:57.42 | pinky | mount -t udf /dev/hda /mnt/udf works |
| 09:57.44 | liable | lord_rob: whats the setup in this box anyway? two cd drives on the ide and another card for the hard drive? |
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| 09:57.59 | tralala | pinky: why are you creating udf dvds btw? |
| 09:58.00 | quitte | pinky: does mount /cdrom work,too? |
| 09:58.00 | pinky | tralala: haha that worked! |
| 09:58.11 | iKernel | Anyone ever had the experiance where 300+ meg of updates have to be downloaded, and after updating, 6 (give or take) kb of space is freed on your hard drive? |
| 09:58.15 | quitte | ok problem solved |
| 09:58.28 | lord_rob | liable: there are 4 ide controllers (two are ata100 raid) |
| 09:58.37 | pinky | tralala: becuase of the limitations of the iso9660 filesystem. If I want to burn datd DVDs with files over 2Gb for example... |
| 09:58.42 | tralala | pinky: hmm, strange. One would think that the old one is supposed to work as well. |
| 09:58.53 | lord_rob | liable: two hard disk, each one is master and two cdrom (master also) |
| 09:58.58 | pinky | I usually use iso9660, but for any DVDs which need files >2GB I use UDF |
| 09:59.07 | iKernel | How do I play .aa files? It's an audio file. |
| 09:59.19 | tralala | pinky: right. Well, everything's well when it ends well. |
| 09:59.39 | tralala | iKernel: aplay yourfile |
| 09:59.41 | pinky | tralala: But, umm, yeah that's odd. It's just weird because I've seen this same behavior on two other Etch installs |
| 09:59.52 | pinky | I mean it's great I know how to fix it now, but meh |
| 09:59.58 | pinky | Thanks |
| 09:59.59 | iKernel | tralala, k |
| 10:01.17 | lord_rob | liable: can't I assume my grub config is correct if it produces a working boot floppy ? |
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| 10:02.23 | liable | lord_rob: actually i am not so sure how the grub floppies work, but i spose so. |
| 10:02.31 | tralala | oh, that's lovely |
| 10:02.32 | tralala | !k |
| 10:02.32 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 10:02.41 | dn4 | Enter a command: immunetopoisonivy |
| 10:02.48 | dn4 | ahhh I need to stop this itching |
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| 10:04.11 | iKernel | tralala, have to install alsa and alsaplayer |
| 10:04.18 | iKernel | done |
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| 10:04.58 | Maroe | i have a simple beginner problem. how can i start the postgres server after reboot debian |
| 10:05.15 | stoned | my tower fell over and then it locked up, i could move my mouse around, but everything else, applications keyboard was locked. wtf happened? |
| 10:05.20 | lord_rob | Maroe: doesn't it start automatically ? |
| 10:05.23 | iKernel | now im installing alsa-tools |
| 10:05.24 | Maroe | no |
| 10:05.25 | quitte | can i use scp to copy a file that is not yet the final size? i know that scp wont finish before the file is ready. |
| 10:05.30 | iKernel | done |
| 10:05.37 | iKernel | gah! |
| 10:05.44 | iKernel | tralala, how do I install aplay? |
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| 10:06.17 | liable | quitte: hrm, good one. thing is, will it stop at the size the file was when it started? |
| 10:06.20 | lord_rob | iKernel: apt-cache search aplay |
| 10:06.24 | iKernel | lord_rob, k |
| 10:06.29 | tralala | iKernel: /msg dpkg find aplay |
| 10:06.31 | lord_rob | the install the corresponding package |
| 10:06.40 | quitte | liable: yes, thats what im afraid might happen |
| 10:07.07 | liable | quitte: i have no idea either :) |
| 10:07.09 | tralala | quitte: this should be really easy to test |
| 10:07.18 | Maroe | how can i configure debian to start postgres automatically? |
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| 10:07.33 | tralala | Maroe: install postgres |
| 10:07.47 | iKernel | still... i'll just have to use alsaplayer |
| 10:07.48 | Maroe | it is also installed |
| 10:07.51 | lord_rob | Maroe: have you installed postgres using apt ? |
| 10:07.56 | brownie17 | I MADE MY SCANNER WORK!!!!!!!! |
| 10:08.03 | iKernel | brownie17, YAY! |
| 10:08.08 | liable | !congratulate brownie17 |
| 10:08.09 | dpkg | Good show brownie17, you did it! |
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| 10:08.11 | iKernel | stuff it |
| 10:08.15 | iKernel | brb |
| 10:08.35 | tralala | Maroe: then it should be configured already |
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| 10:09.06 | Maroe | no, on reboot server postgres dosnt load |
| 10:09.16 | liable | Maroe: try dpkg-reconfigure postgress |
| 10:09.19 | siimo | when i run make menuconfig i get this huge error : scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:31:20: error: curses.h: No such file or direct ory |
| 10:09.20 | liable | -s |
| 10:09.25 | siimo | and 100 more lines of that |
| 10:09.45 | liable | siimo: try installing libncurses5-dev |
| 10:10.15 | brownie17 | liable, lol, you're so lazy you make the bot do ti |
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| 10:10.23 | siimo | liable: thanks that fixed it! |
| 10:10.25 | liable | brownie17: :) |
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| 10:10.32 | liable | siimo: sweet |
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| 10:13.14 | brownie17 | can anyone help me, i have my scanner working under root, but for some reason i don't have permission to see it |
| 10:13.30 | siimo | brownie17: are you in the scanner group? |
| 10:13.36 | liable | brownie17: are you in scanner group? |
| 10:13.40 | liable | !lose me |
| 10:13.41 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 10:13.47 | Maroe | thx |
| 10:13.48 | brownie17 | liable, siimo, nope. how do i put myself in it? |
| 10:13.57 | brownie17 | !win me |
| 10:13.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, brownie17! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
| 10:14.12 | brownie17 | lol soviet russia sucks. yay capitalism! |
| 10:14.40 | siimo | gpasswd -a username <groupname> |
| 10:14.58 | liable | in soviet-america nsa scans you?? |
| 10:15.17 | tralala | nsa pwnz you! |
| 10:15.35 | shadowman | lol |
| 10:16.09 | tralala | brownie17: adduser youruser thenewgroup |
| 10:16.13 | brownie17 | siimo, gpassword? each group has a password? cna i just use roots password? |
| 10:16.14 | liable | brownie17: adduser brownie scanner |
| 10:16.30 | tralala | liable: you lose again :) |
| 10:16.32 | liable | man adduser |
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| 10:16.41 | siimo | brownie17: sorry i dont know what im smoking |
| 10:16.45 | siimo | but its good |
| 10:16.46 | brownie17 | tralala, sudo: adduser: command not found |
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| 10:16.58 | liable | tralala: i am a bit slow tonight.. :) |
| 10:17.04 | brownie17 | siimo, bring some over for me in your boogie board bag. |
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| 10:17.14 | tralala | brownie17: bah, impossible |
| 10:17.18 | liable | tralala: i was gonna blame lag.. but i thought i might as well admit it :) |
| 10:17.23 | brownie17 | tralala, i swear it's an exact copy |
| 10:17.24 | caine_ | hi, i'm using openoffice but the document isn't formatted correctly in MS word. does anyone have any suggestions on what to do? thanks |
| 10:17.32 | DragonD | is there such a thinh as a compression proxy server? |
| 10:17.35 | tralala | liable: hehe |
| 10:17.54 | tralala | brownie17: ok, install it |
| 10:18.03 | liable | caine_: better off asking in a oo channel |
| 10:18.15 | brownie17 | tralala, i put myself in using the gui "users and groups" |
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| 10:19.05 | lord_rob | argh, last time I try grub ! :( |
| 10:19.11 | brownie17 | tralala, liable siimo even when i'm in the "scanner" group i still don't have rights |
| 10:19.27 | liable | brownie17: you have to log out after being added |
| 10:19.43 | brownie17 | tralala, liable siimo, when i run sudo xsane i can get the scanner working nicely, but just xsane will only read from my t.v. tuner card. |
| 10:19.50 | liable | brownie17: you may need to be in video group too iirc, read a sane howto |
| 10:19.54 | brownie17 | liable, oh okay. cool. ctrl alt delete work fine? |
| 10:20.37 | liable | brownie17: doesnt matter, just log out, kill the server if you want, or just log out and in |
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| 10:21.33 | liable | lord_rob: doesnt want to play? |
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| 10:22.54 | liable | lord_rob: i doubt it would help, but you could try it in interactive mode |
| 10:23.00 | brownie17 | siimo, liable, tralala, works fine now. thanks. but do you know how to run the printer setup thingo as root? |
| 10:23.03 | dn4 | http://www.poison-ivy.org/rash/source/digger.htm |
| 10:23.31 | iKernel | Failed to compile, but I checked the nvidia installer log and it's no nasty error, just scripts/mod/modpost missing. Should I take this to #nvidia or will you guys be able to help me? |
| 10:23.33 | liable | brownie17: from a browser? |
| 10:23.50 | iKernel | version 8763 btw |
| 10:23.55 | iKernel | 8762 i mean |
| 10:24.14 | liable | brownie17: just go to the admin tab and log in as root when it asks |
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| 10:24.54 | brownie17 | liable, sorry, not following, admin tab? |
| 10:25.00 | liable | brownie17: if you have already logged in as a user, iirc you need to close the browser and then open it again and go to admin |
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| 10:25.11 | liable | brownie17: http:??127.0.0.1:631 |
| 10:25.24 | liable | grr http:// |
| 10:25.27 | iKernel | one moment |
| 10:25.58 | stoned | uno momento |
| 10:26.06 | brownie17 | liable, i've never been there before |
| 10:26.19 | liable | brownie17: try it, its the cups admin page |
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| 10:26.43 | RoyK | Can anyone please help me out here? I'm trying to install debian sarge amd64 on a box, but sarge doesn't see the cdrom........ |
| 10:26.46 | RoyK | what is there to do? |
| 10:27.14 | brownie17 | liable, when it asks for location of the printer, what am i supposed to type? and why can't it auto-detect it? |
| 10:27.30 | liable | i wish i knew the answer to that one. its a fairly common problem. |
| 10:27.59 | brownie17 | liable, do you mean me or RoyK ? |
| 10:28.14 | liable | brownie17: just type whatever you want. you will get asked later about how its connected |
| 10:28.17 | liable | brownie17: RoyK |
| 10:28.28 | iKernel | nope, not in readme |
| 10:28.45 | tralala | RoyK: try linux26 at the boot prompt |
| 10:28.48 | RoyK | liaais there a driver collection somewhere? |
| 10:28.57 | RoyK | tralala: with amd64 there is only linux26 |
| 10:29.09 | quitte | RoyK: use the mini.iso that can be found with the netboot image. you dont need a cdrom in the install for that. |
| 10:29.19 | liable | RoyK: you might want to try #debian-amd64 |
| 10:29.54 | tralala | RoyK: you might try an unofficial installer as well - /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 10:30.15 | quitte | tralala: there is no official sarge for amd64 |
| 10:30.23 | quitte | ugh sorry |
| 10:30.55 | tralala | quitte: first you read the factoids then you make (false) statements |
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| 10:31.18 | liable | but, he's right, there isnt an 'official' sarge iso :P |
| 10:31.27 | quitte | tralala: i misread unofficial. didn't see the un |
| 10:31.28 | iKernel | I am trying to install nvidia drivers, but it failed to compile. No nasty error, just scripts/mod/modpost missing. I'm not sure whether it's missing from kernel source or missing from nvidia installer. Log: http://pastebin.com/732725 |
| 10:31.58 | tralala | tralala: first you read and understand what the others are saying, then you reply |
| 10:32.19 | liable | haha |
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| 10:32.52 | brownie17 | liable, how do i knwo which usb port it is connected to? |
| 10:33.12 | quitte | how is that ever important? |
| 10:33.20 | ghenry | [OT] If you have 16GB RAM in a linux box, would you "have" to have a swap entry in /etc/fstab? |
| 10:33.22 | tralala | quitte: you were right. There is no official amd64 sarge so there can't be an official installer anyhow. In that case any installer should be just fine. |
| 10:33.28 | liable | brownie17: lsusb? |
| 10:33.39 | sep | ghenry, woudnt hurt. |
| 10:33.44 | liable | ghenry: no |
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| 10:34.04 | iKernel | never mind, some of kernel compile should fix |
| 10:34.10 | liable | ghenry: i installed on my box with 256MB and didnt realise till later i didnt have any swap |
| 10:34.20 | ghenry | sep, liable: Was going to have a 4GB swap just in case |
| 10:34.25 | ghenry | ok liable |
| 10:34.41 | tralala | iKernel: you have taken such a wrong path. Why don't you just use the recommended way of installing the drivers? |
| 10:34.46 | RoyK | quitte: i§ll take a look... |
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| 10:35.05 | liable | ghenry: wow, what do you intend to use it for? |
| 10:35.19 | iKernel | tralala, drivers are for 2.6.14 kernel, and these new drivers come out, and I don't see why it's wrong/should not work |
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| 10:35.59 | tralala | iKernel: how is that related? |
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| 10:36.31 | liable | !seen jm_ |
| 10:36.31 | dpkg | jm_ <i=jm@febrile.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11d 20h 46m 49s ago, saying: 'but I have to run now'. |
| 10:36.45 | liable | hrm, must of run a long way.. |
| 10:37.07 | d4t2ilL4 | is intel Pentium D classified as SMP? |
| 10:37.26 | liable | whats a D? dual core? |
| 10:37.32 | d4t2ilL4 | yes |
| 10:37.43 | liable | then i geuss it would be |
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| 10:38.04 | d4t2ilL4 | Justto make sure |
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| 10:39.09 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, when I am install the new kernel from back port why does it install lilo? |
| 10:39.58 | liable | d4t2ilL4: no idea. thats quite strange. whats apt-cache show linux-image-foo say? (about the depends) |
| 10:40.22 | d4t2ilL4 | i mean it install the kernel but it also installs lilo |
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| 10:40.44 | ghenry | liable: One of our clients is asking. I thing it's for a provisioning server for BT (British Telecom) |
| 10:41.50 | liable | ghenry: oh. make sure mi5 dont get there hands on it! :) |
| 10:42.01 | tralala | their |
| 10:42.09 | liable | once again, /me reading too much /. |
| 10:42.23 | tralala | ghenry: your client wants 4gb of swap?! |
| 10:42.28 | liable | fucking grammar nazi's! :P |
| 10:42.48 | ghenry | tralala: No, just put it in incase |
| 10:42.59 | tralala | !comfort liable |
| 10:42.59 | dpkg | There, there, liable. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 10:43.11 | ghenry | tralala: Doesn't do any harm |
| 10:43.13 | liable | !aww |
| 10:43.13 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 10:43.15 | williamvergara | hi, just have a straight question, while having a repository shared via apache, (a repository that just has a few debs), how do i agregate it to other computes /etc/apt/sources.list?? |
| 10:43.22 | williamvergara | please help |
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| 10:43.40 | tralala | ghenry: or any help for that matter |
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| 10:44.00 | ghenry | tralala: Yeah, I know. But it keeps them happy. |
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| 10:44.37 | tralala | Well, it is important to have it then. The customers have to be kept happy. |
| 10:44.43 | liable | i am sure if it has 16G of ram, it would be able to spare 4G for swap without breaking the budget |
| 10:45.43 | sep | ghenry, some swap would be useful to swap out init and things not used except boot adn shutdown, and free that memory atleast. but i dont think you'd notice a difference in 256MB and 4GB of swap :) |
| 10:45.44 | ghenry | tralala, liable: Yup. Our reasoning, is if for some reason 16GB gets used up and starts to swap, there's a small window to shut/restart services/server, with out it, the kernel would just die/freeze. |
| 10:45.57 | liable | ghenry: they are going to run debian on this thing? |
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| 10:46.47 | tralala | ghenry: if it is to be suspended on disk you will want to make this swap even bigger. At lest the memory size. |
| 10:46.47 | brownie17 | liable, what format should the location be in? i know it's bus 002 device 007, and it's usb, but when it gives a drop down box, which one of the usb thingos is it? |
| 10:46.48 | ankur | i am getting error while opening a new file in using vi Error: Unable to create temporary file: Read-only file system |
| 10:47.14 | ankur | how can i remount it with read and write permission |
| 10:47.21 | Shadur | ankur: The directory vi is using to create tempfiles is mounted read-only. |
| 10:47.35 | Shadur | ankur: type 'man mount' and pay attention to the "remount" option. |
| 10:48.04 | ankur | okey thanx |
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| 10:49.06 | tralala | I wish thanx wasn't a built-in |
| 10:49.12 | liable | brownie17: just try the first one. |
| 10:49.37 | brownie17 | liable, didn't work. just didn't do anything when i try to print |
| 10:50.37 | liable | brownie17: hrm, dont make me fuck with my network printer to find out for you.. |
| 10:50.51 | brownie17 | liable, lol sorry. |
| 10:51.06 | brownie17 | does anyone know how i can find out the location and device slot or whatever of my printer? |
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| 10:51.36 | blondie | brownie17: use your eyes |
| 10:51.38 | liable | brownie17: cant you just pick usb printer 1? |
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| 10:52.27 | brownie17 | blondie, liable, number one doesn't work. my eyes are too irritated |
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| 10:53.29 | tralala | setting up a printer is way more difficult than it should be. I had to setup one recently - it was a pain and at the end I didn't understand how I made it work. |
| 10:53.36 | liable | brownie17: lsusb shows the printer though? |
| 10:54.45 | liable | i actually installed on my headless home server and had it networked in about 5 mins. i couldnt believe it. then again i spent two days working out how to print to a windows printer |
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| 10:55.30 | brownie17 | liable, sure does |
| 10:56.03 | brownie17 | tralala, i got that last time i set this up on ubuntu!!! |
| 10:56.16 | ghenry | tralala, liable: thanks all, they are happy now (client), so that's all we need to do ;-) |
| 10:56.26 | tralala | headless? as in stupid or as in no terminal attached? |
| 10:56.27 | brownie17 | tralala, all i know is i installed guten print, (which won't compile now) and then did some other stuff and it appeared in the add printer gui |
| 10:57.08 | liable | brownie17: when it goes to the device bit, it doesnt show up as usb printer #foo? |
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| 10:57.16 | liable | brownie17: do you have drivers for it? |
| 10:57.36 | brownie17 | liable, i thought that was what guten-print was suppossed to do? |
| 10:57.54 | liable | tralala: server has no terminal, admin is stupid |
| 10:58.02 | tralala | brownie17: there was some kind of a gnome-gui that I used but it asked for the printer port at some point. It didn't autodetect anything there and guessing the port was soo not fun. |
| 10:58.23 | tralala | liable: sounds like home :) |
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| 10:59.49 | brownie17 | tralala, well i found one called printconf, suppossed to automate the whole proccess, but it didn't work for some reason |
| 11:00.55 | tralala | brownie17: I can see something called printtool. It claims autodetection. |
| 11:01.36 | liable | brownie17: hrm, all i remember doing was installing the drivers (from the manufacturer site) and cupsadmin saw it straight away pretty much |
| 11:02.07 | liable | i was actually shocked at how easy it was. |
| 11:02.14 | aidan | If I have an RPM compiled for a 32bit os, and I try to install it (via alien) on my 64 bit system, I get errors. What can I do? Can I simulate the 32bit? |
| 11:02.35 | liable | aidan: asl in #debian-amd64 |
| 11:02.37 | liable | ask |
| 11:02.41 | ollo | hi ppl |
| 11:02.53 | liable | hola |
| 11:02.53 | ollo | need an informations |
| 11:03.08 | tralala | brownie17: the other one is foomatic-gui (the one I used and found sucky) |
| 11:03.19 | ollo | how can I rename the HD icon on my desktop? |
| 11:03.46 | liable | ollo: right click and rename?? |
| 11:03.50 | tralala | ollo: right click and select rename from the list? Or right click, select properties and rename there? |
| 11:03.50 | aidan | liable: thanks :) |
| 11:04.20 | liable | aidan: good luck, i think its a bit quiet there, but be patient :) |
| 11:04.21 | ollo | I am going to try |
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| 11:04.52 | ollo | no, there is not any possibilty |
| 11:05.05 | tralala | aidan: check out the amd64 howto. You can use chroot install as in the openoffice example. |
| 11:05.17 | liable | ollo: NO PRPERTIES TAB OR ANYTHING? |
| 11:05.19 | ollo | if I right click the rename option is not abled |
| 11:05.24 | liable | oop |
| 11:05.28 | liable | capslock |
| 11:05.42 | ollo | yes properties is right, but I don't find any to rename |
| 11:05.45 | ankur | In my /etc/fstab. /dev/hda6 / jfs defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 is it makes my filesystem readonly when i reboots my system ? |
| 11:06.05 | liable | ankur: only if theres errors |
| 11:06.26 | brownie17 | liable, now i've made the printer work too! this is a great day for man! |
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| 11:06.35 | ankur | liable : errors means related to. |
| 11:06.39 | liable | !prize brownie17 |
| 11:06.42 | tralala | brownie17: how did you do it? |
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| 11:06.54 | liable | ankur: disk errors |
| 11:07.06 | tralala | filesystem errors |
| 11:07.13 | liable | anal |
| 11:07.16 | liable | :) |
| 11:07.35 | ankur | liable : Errors due to bad sectors on my IDE. |
| 11:07.37 | ankur | ? |
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| 11:07.54 | liable | ankur: whats your actuall problem? |
| 11:08.33 | ankur | liable : i am not able to create any file as it responds me with that you have readonly filesystem |
| 11:08.35 | tralala | ankur: I'm sure you can find all the details in man fstab and man mount |
| 11:08.48 | brownie17 | tralala, well the program in desktop --> system tools --> printing didn't seem the pick up the gimp-print drivers, but the foomatic one did. does that make sense? |
| 11:09.06 | liable | ankur: ahh, then you are best off running a fsck on it |
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| 11:09.12 | iKernel | fuck. |
| 11:09.15 | tralala | brownie17: so you used the foomatic-gui? |
| 11:09.33 | ankur | liable : thank you. really nice idea. |
| 11:09.52 | iKernel | X didn't start, just blank screen (no video out put, monitor went into sleep mode after a bit). |
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| 11:10.05 | brownie17 | tralala, yeah, it worked fine, picked it right up. |
| 11:10.06 | liable | ankur: um, in case you misread me, you understand what fsck is? |
| 11:10.14 | mic_p | Hello to all. Just a question about an installation. I have vmware that load an .iso (business card testing.). I want the the installation load the .deb files from our internal repository (http and ftp), like do apt, but I always receive "invalid repostitory".What can I try to do? Thanks |
| 11:10.18 | tralala | brownie17: lucky you |
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| 11:11.06 | brownie17 | tralala, it could have been alot worse, but it was difficult compared how completely straightforward it was in ubuntu. |
| 11:11.10 | iKernel | And I can't get the log, because when I boot up in a different kernel, the nvidia module will fail to load, and when x fails to start (without freezing), because of the number of times it gets retried, the log for when I was using 2.6.16 kernel gets chucked out. |
| 11:11.31 | liable | ankur: ?? |
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| 11:11.42 | iKernel | which truly sucks. |
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| 11:12.17 | iKernel | I could boot into different distro and get the log from there... I guess it's my only option. |
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| 11:12.29 | liable | iKernel: cp the log elsewhere before you reboot |
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| 11:12.55 | iKernel | liable, I can't, comp freezes with blank screen |
| 11:13.11 | liable | iKernel: cant get any other VT's? |
| 11:13.22 | tralala | iKernel: ssh in? |
| 11:13.25 | iKernel | liable, nope. same problem with suse and fedora |
| 11:13.26 | teledyn_ | iKernel: i'm having a nvidia issue with one nvidia card |
| 11:13.37 | iKernel | teledyn_, same |
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| 11:13.38 | teledyn_ | system freezes |
| 11:13.45 | iKernel | teledyn_, Geforce 6600? |
| 11:13.51 | teledyn_ | another box has another model and doesn't freeze |
| 11:13.59 | teledyn_ | Go5200 |
| 11:14.04 | iKernel | meh |
| 11:14.12 | iKernel | teledyn_, what's the other model? |
| 11:14.16 | teledyn_ | NV18GL |
| 11:14.28 | iKernel | never heard of it |
| 11:14.30 | teledyn_ | or Quadro4 NVS AGP 8x] (rev a2) |
| 11:14.36 | iKernel | ok |
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| 11:14.38 | teledyn_ | not sure what part of string is model |
| 11:14.41 | ankur | liable : yeah. its utiltiy which clean ups the filesystem |
| 11:15.03 | teledyn_ | am just waiting for a new release of nvidia-kernel-source |
| 11:15.34 | liable | ankur: ok, cool, wasnt sure if you thought i was being silly. you can touch /forcefsck and it will do it at next reboot |
| 11:15.38 | wam | do I have to lvremove a lvm-snapshot after I have no more use for it? Or will it go away when it becomes unusable? |
| 11:15.43 | iKernel | tralala, hadn't thought of that, I'll have to get madwifi working first |
| 11:15.43 | GoAuLd | teledyn_ nvidia released new drivers yesterday |
| 11:16.02 | RvGaTe | <-- still bored |
| 11:16.06 | liable | iKernel: what debian version? |
| 11:16.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:16.12 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:16.19 | iKernel | liable, 2.3 sarge |
| 11:16.34 | iKernel | liable, stable |
| 11:16.34 | liable | iKernel: hrm. 2.3? |
| 11:16.41 | liable | 3.1? |
| 11:16.48 | iKernel | hang on |
| 11:16.55 | teledyn_ | hmm, i wonder if there's some way to get automatic mail notification when there's a new debian release of a particular package? |
| 11:17.01 | ankur | liable : how touch /forcefsck work ? thankx for special tech tip |
| 11:17.06 | liable | iKernel: anyway, pitty, cause madwifi is etch and sid now |
| 11:17.07 | tralala | 2.3.4.5 teh l33test sarge |
| 11:17.22 | iKernel | liable, 3.1, yeah, not 2.3 |
| 11:17.32 | liable | ankur: the init scripts look for it and if it exists, they run fsck |
| 11:18.29 | iKernel | liable, why can't I just install madwifi from etch? |
| 11:18.29 | ankur | liable : its hidden feature i think. thanx |
| 11:18.29 | liable | iKernel: you prolly can. |
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| 11:18.30 | iKernel | ok |
| 11:18.30 | brownie17 | liable, ugh, such stuff as this should never have to be experienced by 15 year olds. linux is sweet pain. more pain that sweet sometimes |
| 11:18.30 | teledyn_ | can't you m-a a-i madwifi ? |
| 11:18.30 | liable | brownie17: wait till you get married.. :P |
| 11:18.30 | iKernel | brownie17, yep |
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| 11:18.42 | brownie17 | liable, hahah, yeah you're right actually. i'll tgake linux over nagging anyday! |
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| 11:19.01 | liable | brownie17: why not brownie15? |
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| 11:19.08 | iKernel | wish they had just sent me the card that dad ordered, not another equivealent |
| 11:19.33 | iKernel | brownie17, I been using linux since I was 14 dude... |
| 11:19.58 | tralala | woow, that's a whole year! |
| 11:20.03 | liable | omglols i been using it since i was 12.. and i'm 13 now. lollerskates |
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| 11:20.16 | liable | sorry |
| 11:20.21 | blondie | :> |
| 11:20.53 | iKernel | tralala, maybe a little over 12 months... or maybe a little less than 12 months... no idea |
| 11:21.04 | iKernel | i got an idea |
| 11:21.26 | iKernel | nup |
| 11:21.42 | tralala | I wish I had linux when I was 14. Perhaps I would've become a kernel dev by now. |
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| 11:21.49 | iKernel | i was hoping that the date would be in this book i got... |
| 11:22.57 | brownie17 | liable, you're not serious are you? |
| 11:23.12 | liable | brownie17: about what? |
| 11:23.20 | liable | i am very rarely serious |
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| 11:23.39 | brownie17 | iKernel, yeah, i've been using it about 6 months, but changing distros, and parental time constraints have restricted my learning abilities. what country you in? |
| 11:23.45 | brownie17 | liable, being thirteen |
| 11:23.54 | liable | tralala: i enjoyed wasting my youth smoking, hanging out and doing naughty stuff. :) |
| 11:24.09 | liable | brownie17: shit no. add 20 years to that :) |
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| 11:25.07 | brownie17 | liable, whew, was a little worried there, thirteen year old telling me how to do all this crap! |
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| 11:25.36 | tralala | liable: me too in a way. But I've also been wasting it with dos and windows and that's a real pitty. :) |
| 11:25.37 | iKernel | brownie17, australia |
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| 11:25.58 | sponzor | how to do find to search on all hds for a file? |
| 11:26.01 | sponzor | like bla.ini |
| 11:26.09 | blondie | locate or find |
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| 11:26.18 | sponzor | whats the command? |
| 11:26.20 | jerware | fellaz |
| 11:26.20 | liable | brownie17: age is irelevent anyway. i havent been using debian for like 10 years |
| 11:26.21 | blondie | locate or find |
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| 11:26.23 | sponzor | i have find |
| 11:26.25 | iKernel | let's see, this book published in july 2005, dad told me that there was an ad on tv about it possibly the same month. |
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| 11:26.41 | tralala | brownie17: thirteen year olds will be telling you stuff. If not right now in a while for sure. |
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| 11:27.42 | iKernel | you guys reckon that linux kernel 2.8 will be released by december? |
| 11:28.07 | liable | iKernel: ask lkml |
| 11:28.12 | jerware | im having a problem with module-assistance using gcc-3.3 when gcc is linked to gcc-3.4. the program im compileing must be compiled with gcc-3.4. m-a prepare from the package directory does not help. how can i correct this? |
| 11:28.42 | iKernel | um |
| 11:28.44 | tralala | jerware: CC=gcc-3.3 m-a whatever |
| 11:28.54 | jerware | hmmm |
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| 11:29.05 | iKernel | nvm |
| 11:29.09 | liable | whcih gcc does it need? |
| 11:29.24 | jerware | tralala: you mean CC=gcc-3.4 m-a prepare ? |
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| 11:29.33 | jerware | whats CC=<program> ? |
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| 11:29.47 | el_mexicano | hi there |
| 11:30.00 | liable | hello! |
| 11:30.02 | crazy_penguin | hi all! |
| 11:30.15 | iKernel | hey! |
| 11:30.17 | tralala | jerware: prepare has nothing to do with the compiler. CC is the env variable for the C compiler |
| 11:30.18 | iKernel | wtf? |
| 11:30.22 | liable | el_mexicano: mexican in duetchland? |
| 11:30.24 | jerware | ahh |
| 11:30.28 | el_mexicano | is there away to active/deactivate kernel modules while installing debian with the debian-installer (netinst) |
| 11:30.36 | jerware | tralala; thanx, i'll give that a shot |
| 11:30.42 | liable | el_mexicano: try expert mode |
| 11:30.46 | iKernel | it took 2 years to get from 2.4 to 2.6, why is it taking longer to get from 2.6 to 2.8? grr |
| 11:31.09 | liable | iKernel: why? whats the need for 2.8? |
| 11:31.19 | el_mexicano | i tried, but he don't show al modules, just 20-30 |
| 11:32.13 | iKernel | liable, it's just a version |
| 11:32.15 | blondie | iKernel: why does it matter? |
| 11:32.33 | iKernel | bah |
| 11:32.35 | iKernel | never mind |
| 11:32.38 | liable | iKernel: right. so why do we need 2.8? |
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| 11:33.04 | el_mexicano | or someone has expirience with the installation using an icp vortex SCSI Raid controller? |
| 11:33.12 | iKernel | liable, we don't right now |
| 11:33.33 | liable | el_mexicano: ah, is it even supported in 2.6.8? |
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| 11:33.48 | el_mexicano | yes i think so |
| 11:33.56 | liable | !think |
| 11:33.56 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 11:34.04 | GoAuLd | how can i make aptitude deinstall crappy unused libs from command line without entering the interface? |
| 11:34.08 | el_mexicano | the installer recognized the controller and the disks. |
| 11:34.14 | GoAuLd | interface is confusing |
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| 11:34.24 | liable | GoAuLd: aptitude remove foo |
| 11:34.41 | liable | GoAuLd: you can do it all from cli. just like apt-get |
| 11:35.06 | GoAuLd | and to show those unused libs? |
| 11:35.29 | GoAuLd | i saw debfoster is getting deprecated |
| 11:35.31 | liable | well, it cant do that as far as i know from cli |
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| 11:35.33 | MrPrise | hello |
| 11:35.34 | MrPrise | anybody knows how to check the wget return codes? if there any. I would like to check if the dl was success or not from a script |
| 11:35.47 | tralala | GoAuLd: deborphan |
| 11:35.49 | liable | GoAuLd: apparently thats been happening for a long time. |
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| 11:36.06 | jerware | my nidiswrapper is still compiling with gcc-3.3 wtf is going on? CC=gcc-3.4 gcc->gcc-3.4 m-a sucks |
| 11:36.13 | plasmoduck | hi, is there some program I can use to dial phone numbers with my modem? |
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| 11:36.26 | liable | jerware: have you tried man? |
| 11:36.30 | GoAuLd | tralala deborphan is not accurate like debfoster or aptitude |
| 11:36.31 | iKernel | hmm, is agp loaded as a module in kernel 2.6.16? |
| 11:36.47 | jerware | liable: i cant find any thing in man m-a relevent to gcc |
| 11:36.52 | jerware | greped it |
| 11:36.56 | tralala | jerware: which one do you want to use? 3.3. or 3.4? |
| 11:37.04 | plasmoduck | 56k modem |
| 11:37.07 | jerware | i would liket to use the latest versionn, being 3.4 |
| 11:37.20 | jerware | plasmoduck: google war dialer perhalps |
| 11:37.21 | tarzeau | what's my best way to edit menu.lst so it always locks all entries? |
| 11:37.25 | tralala | CC=gcc-3.4 m-a build something |
| 11:37.36 | GoAuLd | and synaptic doesnt keep track of the stuff |
| 11:37.58 | jerware | tralala: it attempts to build but fails half way into the build. |
| 11:38.17 | jerware | ndiswrapper needs to be compiled with gcc-3.4 |
| 11:38.35 | liable | jerware: you can always make the modules with kpkg |
| 11:38.42 | jerware | oh |
| 11:38.46 | jerware | kpkg ehh? |
| 11:38.55 | jerware | i'll read the man on that/. |
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| 11:39.18 | jerware | do i need the package it it's .deb format? it's defalted |
| 11:39.27 | liable | that reminds me. new madwifi to build |
| 11:39.27 | jerware | to the package dir |
| 11:39.46 | jerware | whats mad wifi |
| 11:40.08 | liable | wireless driver |
| 11:40.14 | tralala | something that google would know about |
| 11:40.32 | liable | brb |
| 11:40.59 | jerware | is kpkg the same as kernel-package? |
| 11:41.12 | liable | !test |
| 11:41.12 | dpkg | Sorry, liable, I didn't get your test. |
| 11:41.46 | liable | ah good. it works :) |
| 11:41.51 | liable | jerware: yes |
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| 11:43.23 | manju | Hi all |
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| 11:47.59 | jerware | how can i tell what version of kernel headers i have installed? |
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| 11:49.41 | tralala | jerware: aptitude search ~ikernel-headers |
| 11:49.49 | liable | jerware: dpkg -l |grep linux-headers |
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| 11:51.08 | dieg | hi all |
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| 11:51.24 | liable | <all> hi! |
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| 11:51.38 | Bubo | Hi - can anyone help me with a net-install problemm |
| 11:51.51 | Bubo | I cant connect to any mirrors |
| 11:51.52 | Ciaran_H | Bubo: Don't ask to ask, just ask. :) |
| 11:51.57 | tarzeau | can someone help me with grub and alternative=true|false and lockalaternative= as well as altoptions=? |
| 11:51.57 | Bubo | ok |
| 11:52.12 | tarzeau | i tried several things together with update-grub but it doesn't seem to have any effect |
| 11:52.17 | Bubo | I can ping google, yahoo etc and their ips |
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| 11:52.24 | Ciaran_H | Bubo: What happens when you try connecting? |
| 11:52.33 | Ronin | Bubo: any errors? message? |
| 11:52.34 | Bubo | but when I try to connect to mirrors it times out |
| 11:52.36 | tarzeau | basically i want a lock entry in all entries except the first and i don't want the 2nd single ro entry |
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| 11:52.56 | Ciaran_H | Bubo: Can you get to them in a Web browser? |
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| 11:53.09 | Cacious | how can play my gems on debian system |
| 11:53.26 | Bubo | I can on other machines, just not on the one i'm installing deb on |
| 11:53.35 | Bubo | all in the same network |
| 11:53.51 | Cacious | sorry..about that ..... i mean to ask ... How can i play games on debian sarge |
| 11:54.06 | dieg | I've a program that six months ago compiled right in debian unstable, but now it compile but when I run the program there's unresolved simbols on a dlopened module. What changes in unstable can give these errors? |
| 11:54.20 | dieg | something changed with libtool or libtldl3 ? |
| 11:54.24 | tralala | Bubo: do you have a proxy or something? Try changing the IP of this box with the IP of another box that sees the mirrors. |
| 11:54.36 | Ciaran_H | Bubo: Can you get to http://193.201.200.66/debian/ ? That's the IP address of http://the.earth.li/debiabn/ . You might have a DNS issue on the box. |
| 11:54.49 | Bubo | no, no proxy. Everything running through a smoothwall |
| 11:55.00 | Bubo | I'll try that - thanks |
| 11:55.19 | Ciaran_H | And that second URL should have been http://the.earth.li/debian/ . |
| 11:55.23 | Ciaran_H | But you probably new that. :D |
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| 11:55.35 | Ciaran_H | ^knew |
| 11:55.46 | Bubo | thanks - I'll give those a try - I suspected dns |
| 11:56.05 | Bubo | not at the box at the moment so i will report back later |
| 11:56.12 | tralala | Bubo: if it pings by name it's not a dns problem |
| 11:56.18 | Ciaran_H | Bubo: Let us know how things work out. If it works, you might want to check out /etc/resolv.conf and see where it's trying to resolve names from. |
| 11:56.34 | liable | ip |
| 11:56.40 | Bubo | resolv.conf is pointed at the smoothie dhcp server |
| 11:57.15 | Bubo | I think it may be a prob with the modem/router outside of the smoothie |
| 11:57.18 | Ciaran_H | Okay. And presumably that's the same on the other boxes? |
| 11:57.21 | tralala | Bubo: you said it pings yahoo. How? ping yahoo.com? |
| 11:57.23 | Bubo | yep |
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| 11:57.44 | Bubo | yeh, google.com, yahoo.com and .co.uk |
| 11:57.56 | tralala | so the problem is not with the dns |
| 11:57.59 | Bubo | although sometimes very slow, which is why I thought dns |
| 11:58.08 | Bubo | ip addresses ping much faster |
| 11:58.26 | tralala | perhaps this IP gets a special kind of treatment from the firewall. Try with another IP. |
| 11:58.30 | liable | Bubo: is it saying ip 0.0.0.0 for apt? |
| 11:58.39 | Bubo | yep, thats it |
| 11:58.49 | Ciaran_H | Bubo: What was it? |
| 11:58.59 | liable | Bubo: ok, try putting some real dns servers in rsolv.conf |
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| 11:59.04 | Bubo | o.o.o.o for apt |
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| 11:59.40 | Bubo | sorry - 0.0.0.0 |
| 12:00.14 | Bubo | liable: thanks, I'll try that. ISP orovide ones presumably |
| 12:00.20 | Ciaran_H | Hmm. I don't understand why that's happening, but evidently liable does, so I'll leave it to liable. :D |
| 12:00.24 | liable | Bubo: yeah, isp ones |
| 12:00.45 | Bubo | great thanks - I'll try it later when i back at the box |
| 12:01.45 | Cacious | how to play games like AOK and AOE on debian? |
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| 12:02.14 | liable | Cacious: i dont really know why. theres been a few here with that problem though |
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| 12:03.22 | Cacious | liable: i dont know ...why some people...tries to coment on others rathers than clarifying the doubts |
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| 12:03.47 | liable | Cacious: huh? |
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| 12:05.04 | liable | oh hrm |
| 12:05.19 | liable | Ciaran_H: ^^ that comment was for you |
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| 12:05.38 | liable | Cacious: you just confused the hell outta me :P |
| 12:05.44 | fwd | Cacious, do you mean MS Age of Empires? (*-*) |
| 12:05.58 | Cacious | fwd: yes man |
| 12:06.22 | fwd | Cacious, ;-) funny stuff. You may try WINE |
| 12:06.54 | Cacious | its not working on debian even with sudo apt-get install winehq |
| 12:07.03 | Cacious | fwd: its not working on debian even with sudo apt-get install winehq |
| 12:07.54 | tralala | Cacious: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:09.05 | Cacious | tarala: what will it does? |
| 12:09.41 | tralala | Cacious: it will teach you how to search software in debian in order to find how to install wine |
| 12:10.49 | Knight_Lord | Is there any tool to grep inside PDFs? |
| 12:11.31 | Cacious | how can i play flash files on my amd64x pc with debian |
| 12:12.01 | GoAuLd | PDF puagh |
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| 12:12.40 | Knight_Lord | GoAuLd what? |
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| 12:13.12 | pzn | Hi! I need to install an irc daemon for the local network. which package do you recommend? (sarge) |
| 12:13.13 | randall | Cacious: Does Macromedia have something like that on their site ? |
| 12:13.35 | RvGaTe | Is there a way to convert my debian into a router, wich packageswould i need for it? |
| 12:13.49 | linux_manju | RvGaTe, iproute2 |
| 12:13.55 | tralala | Knight_Lord: there is ps2ascii which dumps ps files. Check if it can dump pdfs as well. |
| 12:14.01 | Cacious | randall: the given package by macromedia is not being compatible with the 64 bit pc`s |
| 12:14.04 | linux_manju | RvGaTe, with some iptables tricks ;) |
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| 12:14.37 | tralala | RvGaTe: yes, you will only need iptables for that. |
| 12:14.45 | randall | Since flash is closed-source, I guess theres nothing to do ... except for running a 32bit environment |
| 12:14.46 | RvGaTe | but that all uses the ssh interface, is there something to really simulate a router, with a webbased interface, vpn etc... just like www.ipcop.org |
| 12:14.58 | Knight_Lord | tralala i was searching for a prebuilt thing, of course i can pdf2ps and ps2ascii and then grep, but that's not exactly elegant |
| 12:15.43 | linux_manju | RvGaTe, freesco.org |
| 12:15.53 | tralala | Cacious: read the amd64 howto. It explains how to use 32bit chroot. Install a browser there and a 32bit flash plugin and that's it. |
| 12:15.54 | randall | RvGaTe: errr ... well, yes, debian has vpn servers and web servers |
| 12:15.54 | linux_manju | RvGaTe, looks great :) |
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| 12:16.10 | cahoot | Knight_Lord: I have not used this, but there is a python utility called pdfsearch |
| 12:16.42 | tralala | Knight_Lord: maybe you can do without pdf2ps. And yes, it won't be elegant but it will get the job done. |
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| 12:17.21 | iKernel | managed to get the log by booting into recovery mode |
| 12:17.32 | Knight_Lord | tralala problem is i have lots of pdfs to search |
| 12:17.56 | cahoot | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfsearch/ |
| 12:18.50 | iKernel | man, I'm going prolly going to be dammn grumpy tormorrow |
| 12:18.51 | tralala | Knight_Lord: well see if pdfsearch will do. I don't know anything else. |
| 12:19.08 | Knight_Lord | tralala cahoot thanks for the help, i'll try pdfsearch |
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| 12:20.44 | RvGaTe | linux_manju: looks like freesco doesn't have a web interface |
| 12:21.19 | cahoot | RvGaTe: why not run shorewall as is? |
| 12:21.28 | semboy | ;S -i am new to linux- and i have not installd no tools -I HAVE INSTALLD THE VIDEO CARD |
| 12:21.33 | linux_manju | RvGaTe, well... It doesnt .. But I thougth ur looking for a cisco replacement.. |
| 12:21.34 | iKernel | Can somebody please help me with my problem? system becomes unresponsive and no video out put when trying to start x. log: http://pastebin.com/732848 |
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| 12:21.40 | semboy | and i need -oss drivers to work |
| 12:21.59 | linux_manju | RvGaTe, What exactly is that u want.. Is it a full blown router or a Firewall? |
| 12:22.02 | semboy | ;( how to enble itt -help me please |
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| 12:22.41 | RvGaTe | linux_manju: currently its a webserver, bouncer, backup, storage, and helpfull tool to get stuff done |
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| 12:22.59 | randall | RvGaTe: what specs are we talking about here ? |
| 12:23.18 | RvGaTe | randall: 1ghz, dunno how many ram |
| 12:23.29 | RvGaTe | randall probably 512 |
| 12:23.36 | linux_manju | RvGaTe, thats riding on an ant |
| 12:23.56 | RvGaTe | works perfect atm |
| 12:23.57 | iKernel | with nvidia driver i mean |
| 12:24.03 | cahoot | linux_manju: translation? |
| 12:24.52 | randall | RvGaTe: I guess it'll be doing a lot more than routing then |
| 12:24.53 | linux_manju | cahoot, sorry :O |
| 12:25.06 | RvGaTe | randall: yup, allot more |
| 12:25.10 | cahoot | linux_manju: riding on an ant? |
| 12:25.27 | RvGaTe | cahoot: he suggests its slow |
| 12:25.29 | iKernel | :'( no one want to help and no one seem to be on in #nvidia |
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| 12:26.39 | RvGaTe | iKernel: want me to go there? :P |
| 12:26.41 | cahoot | RvGaTe: seems plenty for a router |
| 12:26.44 | tralala | iKernel: nvidia has a support forum on their site |
| 12:26.44 | linux_manju | RvGaTe, Well I think a PC wiith 1 gig and 512 is too low a speck for a backup web and mail server |
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| 12:26.49 | iKernel | tralala, it will take a while for them to respond... meh ok |
| 12:26.49 | randall | RvGaTe: there are some web interface thingies, webmin for instance ... but with lots of service you don't want to use a web interface for that :) |
| 12:26.51 | linux_manju | cahoot, , Well I think a PC wiith 1 gig and 512 is too low a speck for a backup web and mail server |
| 12:26.52 | tralala | cahoot: besides a router it appears to be a pretty busy server. |
| 12:26.56 | cahoot | tralala: I see - my mistake |
| 12:27.04 | iKernel | tralala, where? |
| 12:27.28 | tralala | iKernel: do you know how to use google? |
| 12:27.53 | randall | fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 12:28.28 | iKernel | lol |
| 12:28.33 | iKernel | tralala, yes |
| 12:28.41 | RvGaTe | basicly what i need, is a package for debian, to make the server work as a router, with a web-interface so that other people can open ports when they need to (currently 4 pc's in network) |
| 12:29.01 | tralala | iKernel: apply your googling skills then and you will get your answer |
| 12:29.23 | iKernel | tralala, i am not skilled at google |
| 12:29.25 | randall | RvGaTE: what ?? |
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| 12:30.09 | randall | RvGaTe: if you're letting people open random ports and they don't know how to use the cli, you might as well leave them open .... |
| 12:30.10 | tralala | iKernel: you're young and you have plenty of time to learn. |
| 12:30.24 | linux_manju | iKernel, well.. then ur not skilled enough to live |
| 12:30.29 | RvGaTe | randall: i know what im doing hehe, its home network |
| 12:30.47 | iKernel | tralala, i have already found the forum though... |
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| 12:31.04 | tralala | iKernel: see? It wasn't *that* hard, was it? |
| 12:31.10 | iKernel | tralala, not at all... |
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| 12:31.22 | tralala | !congratulate iKernel |
| 12:31.22 | dpkg | Woohoo iKernel, you did it! |
| 12:31.27 | RvGaTe | randall: and only my brother and i know the what ports actually are, but my brother doesn't know how to use a ssh interface to open ports, thats why i need the webinterface |
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| 12:32.43 | randall | RvGaTe: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/webmin-firewall |
| 12:33.32 | randall | RvGaTe: I guess webmin is what you want, then ... but bewarned ... you can have *ALOT* of fun with iptables rules ... |
| 12:33.49 | tralala | RvGaTe: I would solve this by creating an user with a port opening script executed on login. Safe and easy. Your brother will only need to use putty or ssh to log in, type the port to open and that's all. |
| 12:33.51 | iKernel | tralala, don't need congrats |
| 12:34.02 | freezombie | uh... this channel is being moved off freenode |
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| 12:34.15 | iKernel | freespac1, WHAT?! |
| 12:34.27 | freezombie | you mean me ? |
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| 12:34.32 | randall | freezombie: I heard ... |
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| 12:34.35 | iKernel | yes lol |
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| 12:35.10 | streuner | freezombie: irc.debian.org will change to OFTC, nothing more. |
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| 12:35.15 | freezombie | just got the mail on debian-devel-annouce - irc.debian.org is being changed from Freenode to OFTC |
| 12:35.17 | tralala | it is intended to be moved which is not quite the same |
| 12:35.26 | ecidadania8 | opa tem alguem aiii??? |
| 12:35.39 | Shadur | ecidadania8: English por favor. |
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| 12:35.49 | freezombie | streuner, which will mean that many users of this channel will move as well |
| 12:35.54 | brownie17 | oftc? what does that mean i have to change in the way of irc settings? like what is the exact server name of this OFTC |
| 12:35.54 | ecidadania8 | my name is Fabio |
| 12:36.13 | streuner | freezombie: many of them are on different servers... |
| 12:36.20 | ecidadania8 | and your name? |
| 12:36.25 | randall | well, there's already #debian on oftc.org ... but nobody's there :) |
| 12:36.26 | tralala | brownie17: not unless you connet to irc.debian.org |
| 12:36.37 | freezombie | brownie17, if you use the irc.debian.org alias you need to change nothing |
| 12:36.46 | freezombie | randall, there will be... |
| 12:36.51 | randall | I guess they'll only redirect irc.debian to oftc.org instead of freenode |
| 12:37.00 | streuner | true |
| 12:37.06 | ateoh211 | is there a known issue which installing locales on debian sarge? I recieve missing dependencies, locales Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 which is a virtual package |
| 12:37.11 | brownie17 | tralala, freezombie, you guys are giving me conflicting stories |
| 12:37.23 | freezombie | yeah, but I don't doubt many here use the irc.debian.org alias and won't get the switch |
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| 12:37.44 | tralala | I use freenode |
| 12:37.56 | brownie17 | freezombie, well when i check what server mine is connecting to it says it has both in option, so i think if one fails i can still connect. |
| 12:38.07 | Ronin | randall: id hardly say theres no one in #debian on oftc |
| 12:38.29 | randall | ronin, ok the last time I checked, right after the announce :) |
| 12:38.42 | iKernel | so tired |
| 12:38.43 | iKernel | brb |
| 12:38.47 | brownie17 | freezombie, are both servers synchronised? that is to say, if i connect through one server i can speak to people on the other in the same room, no? |
| 12:38.56 | tralala | !room |
| 12:38.57 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 12:38.59 | streuner | no |
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| 12:39.03 | freezombie | no. irc netwoks are different |
| 12:39.07 | Ronin | randall: 74 users currently, certainly not as busy as here or efnet or at least not yet |
| 12:39.09 | freezombie | seperate( |
| 12:39.25 | randall | ronin, just a question of time, I guess |
| 12:39.35 | tralala | I wonder how many people will move away from freenode because of i.d.o |
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| 12:40.02 | streuner | Ronin: most new users have irc.debian.org in there irc-clients... |
| 12:40.14 | ecidadania8 | hi i'm from brazil |
| 12:40.20 | streuner | !br |
| 12:40.20 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:40.30 | tralala | !greet ecidadania8 |
| 12:40.30 | dpkg | Tag, ecidadania8 |
| 12:40.47 | randall | hi |
| 12:40.58 | brownie17 | !greet brownie17 |
| 12:40.58 | dpkg | Wassup, brownie17 |
| 12:41.11 | brownie17 | lol, i wanted to feel a part |
| 12:41.13 | tralala | welcome, ecidadania8! You can ask your debian question now. |
| 12:41.34 | brownie17 | does anyone know how i can watch t.v. through my t.v. tuner card? |
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| 12:41.53 | liable | i dont use irc.debian.org// |
| 12:41.54 | tralala | brownie17: I use tvtime |
| 12:41.57 | iKernel | back |
| 12:42.00 | brownie17 | it's set up, and i can "scan" images from it, through xsane, |
| 12:42.06 | brownie17 | tralala, in repos? |
| 12:42.14 | tralala | sure thing |
| 12:42.15 | liable | tvtime roxorz |
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| 12:42.29 | streuner | liable: well, most us don't, but those who aren't familar with IRC and using debian... |
| 12:42.41 | brownie17 | tralala, hard to set up? support for an infa-red remote? |
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| 12:42.46 | liable | streuner: true |
| 12:43.17 | tralala | brownie17: not at all. Remote controls are supported by lirc. |
| 12:43.34 | brownie17 | tralala, is lirc compatible with tvtime |
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| 12:43.52 | tralala | brownie17: I will give you my lirc configuration for tvtime to save you the hassle of doing it yourself. |
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| 12:44.02 | brownie17 | tralala, thankyou very much |
| 12:44.29 | streuner | lirc with tvtime, wow, what hardware do you need? |
| 12:44.33 | tralala | brownie17: not right now though. I have to get home fisrt (in a few hours). |
| 12:44.43 | liable | a infraread port? |
| 12:44.47 | liable | red |
| 12:44.51 | liable | an |
| 12:44.53 | ecidadania8 | Oi I work in the brazil in one lan house I publish and here in them we use debian |
| 12:44.54 | stoned | i == vowel |
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| 12:45.02 | brownie17 | tralala, sure thing. i might not be on here, could you email it to me? brownie17@gmail.com |
| 12:45.02 | liable | an infraread port :P |
| 12:45.03 | streuner | and remote-control, that's all? |
| 12:45.05 | tralala | some tvcards include remote controls |
| 12:45.07 | liable | doh! |
| 12:45.19 | stoned | :) |
| 12:45.23 | streuner | not mine, its a old Bt848 |
| 12:45.28 | tralala | or you can build an IR receiver yourself and use any remote |
| 12:45.49 | tralala | That's what I did for using mplayer before I bought a tvcard |
| 12:45.58 | tralala | lirc.org has instructions |
| 12:46.16 | ateoh211 | when I try to install locales in sarge I recieve a depends error for glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3, when I aptitude show that file, it says it is provided by libc6, when I aptitude show libc6 it shows that it provides glibc6-2.3.5-3 and glibc-2.3.6-2, how am I to install locales under such circumstances |
| 12:46.34 | brownie17 | streuner, mine's appearing as a bt848. whatever that means. it think it's just the generic driver. but mine did come with a remote and remote port |
| 12:46.34 | iKernel | how can 3353kb unpack into 39.8mb? |
| 12:46.41 | astronut | dondelelcaro: ping |
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| 12:46.56 | randall | iKernel: man bzip2 |
| 12:47.03 | ph_softnet | I want to reconfigure fontconfig through defoma, but cannot find any help.Specifically i want to set Sans-Serif fonts to use the Verdana.ttf (from msttcorefonts) |
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| 12:47.23 | iKernel | randall, surely bzip's compression isn't THAT good |
| 12:47.41 | randall | iKernel, yes it is |
| 12:47.46 | iKernel | holy shit. |
| 12:47.48 | tralala | iKernel: isn't it? Try compressing 40megs of zeroes. |
| 12:47.59 | randall | thats it |
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| 12:48.31 | iKernel | randall, wait, so there are bz2 files in .debs? |
| 12:48.39 | astronut | iKernel: no |
| 12:48.40 | stoned | bzip is ass kickery of compression |
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| 12:48.44 | astronut | there are .gz files |
| 12:48.48 | randall | 40megs of zeros makes a bytes of bzip |
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| 12:49.25 | tralala | randall: did you try that too? |
| 12:49.30 | iKernel | astronut, well that's what it s, 3353kb archeives need to be downloaded, 39.8 mb of disk space will be used |
| 12:49.48 | streuner | brownie17: chipset |
| 12:49.52 | randall | tralala, yeah, I wrote those 40M zeros by hand though ... was quite a job ! |
| 12:49.56 | RichiH | hmm |
| 12:50.07 | brownie17 | tralala, "xvoutput: XVIDEO extension not found: X too old? didn't load extmod?" |
| 12:50.12 | iKernel | randall, just make a script |
| 12:50.21 | RichiH | even though i modprobed ipw2100, iwconfig still says none of the cards has wireless extensions |
| 12:50.24 | tralala | randall: I did something a bit more clever: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=40 | bzip2 -c | dd of=/dev/null bs=1k |
| 12:50.27 | RichiH | what could i be missing? |
| 12:50.29 | randall | iKernel: I guess quite some part will be docs, you can compress them very good |
| 12:50.50 | astronut | iKernel: it's an ar archive that has a few control files and a tarball with all the files |
| 12:50.57 | ph_softnet | whats the matter?Since i dropped my custom distro in favour of debian, i started asking questions about how i should use all that funky super-automated stuff that's supposed to make your life easier.Nobody has ever answered to me a single question in the #ubuntu and #debian channels.. |
| 12:50.57 | iKernel | ok |
| 12:51.04 | tralala | RichiH: are you sure that your hardware works with this driver? |
| 12:51.05 | randall | tralala, damnit, spent my summer holidays on something I could have done with a line of code and two pipes |
| 12:51.34 | brownie17 | randall, how long exactly? like two weeks? |
| 12:51.35 | RichiH | tralala: well, it is an intel 2100 |
| 12:51.37 | Tassium | randall: Ain't that always the way it goes? :( |
| 12:51.38 | RichiH | tralala: so.. yah |
| 12:51.41 | randall | ph_softnet, WTF? |
| 12:51.52 | tralala | Tassium: hehe :) |
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| 12:51.56 | iKernel | hmm... thinkage |
| 12:51.58 | Tassium | randall: At least this way you'll NEVER forget what you learned ;) |
| 12:52.04 | iKernel | there we go |
| 12:52.09 | iKernel | brb |
| 12:52.11 | randall | Tassium: bwahaha, good one ;) |
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| 12:52.43 | brownie17 | tralala, for some reason when i try to run tvtime i get some error about xlib. what should i do? |
| 12:52.51 | tralala | RichiH: dmesg having any complaints? |
| 12:52.54 | randall | ph_softnet: I never heard a question from you ... |
| 12:53.09 | Rouke__ | Hiya, doees anybody have an idea how I can kill an ip xfrm state process, runs in init(2). It' are the remains of some ipsec processes |
| 12:53.17 | RichiH | tralala: none that i could see |
| 12:53.25 | ph_softnet | i just posted another one |
| 12:53.28 | ph_softnet | before |
| 12:53.32 | tralala | brownie17: what does xvinfo say? Do you have an nvidia video card? |
| 12:53.52 | Rouke__ | killall, kill -9 etc does not work |
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| 12:54.18 | randall | ph_softnet: did you try dpkg-reconfigure defoma yet ? |
| 12:54.21 | ph_softnet | I want to set fontconfig to use Verdana.ttf (from msttcorefonts) for Sans-Serif fonts |
| 12:54.24 | brownie17 | tralala, Xlib: extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0".xvinfo: No X-Video Extension on :0 |
| 12:54.33 | tralala | RichiH: looks like you're out of luck. I don't have such a hardware myself so I haven't used this particular driver. |
| 12:54.45 | tralala | brownie17: nvidia? |
| 12:55.01 | Coweater | i get an i/o error when trying to backup a floppy, is there any way to ignore that error? seems to just end dd, and dd has no options for it |
| 12:55.05 | randall | nvidia people are cursed for live, anyway |
| 12:55.06 | brownie17 | tralala, i have an ATI graphics card. i don't think i've got installed drivers on it. the specific card i am using is reasonably old, about 3-4 years? and i don't think the creators of the card make linux drivers this far back |
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| 12:55.17 | ph_softnet | randall, yes.no interactivity |
| 12:55.26 | iKernel | Crap: I forgot. I left my laptop at school. |
| 12:55.32 | tralala | brownie17: what's the model? |
| 12:55.35 | randall | the only people that have a worse live are the ati people |
| 12:55.43 | brownie17 | tralala, i don't play games, so it does the job just fine, no need for an upgrade, but it's probably crap. it's a 32meg AGP card |
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| 12:55.58 | Rouke__ | hello? |
| 12:56.00 | randall | brownie17, there are open-source drivers for older cards |
| 12:56.03 | brownie17 | tralala, i think the Radeon VE, or the Radeon 7000 series, maybe they're the same thing |
| 12:56.14 | brownie17 | randall, how old? where can i find such a thing? |
| 12:56.16 | tralala | brownie17: are you using the radeon driver? |
| 12:56.32 | brownie17 | tralala, i think i'm using generic |
| 12:56.34 | brownie17 | tralala, brb |
| 12:56.35 | iKernel | well im outta options guys, i have tried very hard to get this graphics card working with 3D accleration, and it looks like I'm gonna have to wait till after school tormorrow. |
| 12:56.36 | iKernel | good night |
| 12:56.57 | brownie17 | tralala, gtg. ill come back in 20 hours |
| 12:57.02 | randall | ph_softnet: dpkg-reconfigure -plow defoma |
| 12:57.35 | ph_softnet | same |
| 12:57.37 | randall | brownie17: there are some drivers in kernel |
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| 12:57.47 | ph_softnet | and whats this "plow" thing afterall? its not documented |
| 12:57.50 | Rouke__ | ok, nobody then |
| 12:58.06 | ph_softnet | at least not -p -l -o -w.. |
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| 12:58.16 | cahoot | ph_softnet: you need to edit fonts.conf |
| 12:58.19 | randall | brownie17: for x.org there should be some |
| 12:58.30 | Ronin | Rouke__: do you really want 800 people to respond to your hello? |
| 12:58.34 | randall | ph_softnet: man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:58.37 | tralala | Rouke__: /msg dpkg zombie |
| 12:58.45 | Rouke__ | no, but to my question qould be nice? |
| 12:58.52 | ph_softnet | cahoot, thats exactly what i was used to do, but i want to avoid hand-editing the configuration files because i've heard the distro is going to break |
| 12:58.57 | Ronin | heh just scrolled up far enough |
| 12:58.58 | Rouke__ | 14:52] Rouke__: Hiya, does anybody have an idea how I can kill an ip xfrm state process, runs in init(2). It' are the remains of some ipsec processes |
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| 12:59.06 | Rouke__ | nothing more |
| 12:59.12 | ph_softnet | randall, yes im talking about the man page off course.. |
| 12:59.18 | Rouke__ | k |
| 12:59.28 | cahoot | ph_softnet: running dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig is no use either? |
| 12:59.36 | ph_softnet | havent tried that. |
| 12:59.43 | randall | ph_softnet: second option from top |
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| 12:59.47 | jerware | fellaz |
| 12:59.50 | jerware | for installing ndiswrapper, do i run module-assistant in the module directory? ~/module being the deflated dir from the package |
| 12:59.58 | jerware | i uninstalled and reinstalled m-a |
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| 13:00.28 | tralala | jerware: it doesn't matter where you run it |
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| 13:00.34 | ph_softnet | cahoot, i think dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig does the trick.thanks guys |
| 13:00.51 | jerware | tralala: how does m-a know where to look? |
| 13:00.59 | tralala | jerware: it's smart |
| 13:01.04 | jerware | ok |
| 13:01.07 | cahoot | ph_softnet: I never understodd what defome does anyway |
| 13:01.21 | jerware | before pulling out the sledge hammer |
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| 13:01.26 | cahoot | at least it does no typo correction |
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| 13:02.18 | cahoot | tralala: much obliged |
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| 13:02.30 | tralala | cahoot: ;) |
| 13:02.50 | ph_softnet | if i got it right from the poorly written documentation, for some applications (wich can be found in /usr/share/defoma/scripts/), it registers wich font families/files will be used |
| 13:03.08 | jerware | tralala: ndiswrapper built and installed this time yay !!! |
| 13:03.16 | Rouke__ | ok, daemon process is not a zombie, kept using the appropiate mods etc, but it is running in init rl2, so killing init is not an option, restarting it in rl2 does not help too? Any other ideas? |
| 13:03.24 | jerware | all i had to do was unistall and reinstall m-a after installing a later version of gcc |
| 13:03.33 | ph_softnet | dpkg-reconfigure font-config did not actually do the trick!! :) |
| 13:03.36 | cahoot | ph_softnet: fontocnfig doesn't supercede it? |
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| 13:04.01 | ph_softnet | supercede it? |
| 13:04.07 | tralala | hehe, another nice one: |
| 13:04.08 | genelisp | hi, how can I use apt-get to view installed packages? |
| 13:04.10 | tralala | !typosmite tralala |
| 13:04.19 | debiankid | good morning niisans!! |
| 13:04.20 | ph_softnet | genelisp, dpkg --list |
| 13:04.29 | genelisp | thanks |
| 13:04.33 | jerware | fuck modprobe cant find it |
| 13:04.57 | RogueDopple | you should now scold modprobe harshly |
| 13:05.08 | debiankid | may i ask 4 some help ? :) |
| 13:05.09 | tralala | jerware: did you install it? |
| 13:05.29 | randall | debiankid: maybe you should ask before you ask to ask |
| 13:05.51 | ph_softnet | debiankid, this means yes |
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| 13:06.01 | randall | ;) |
| 13:06.26 | tralala | debiankid: if I were you I would ask 5 |
| 13:06.29 | ph_softnet | if only freebsd had openafs client support... |
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| 13:07.19 | RogueDopple | real men drink oj |
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| 13:08.11 | ph_softnet | should i ask some other question? ( :))) ) |
| 13:08.21 | CAiRO | where can i find mplayer for stable? i've tried to search backports.org but it diddn't find anything |
| 13:08.25 | cahoot | ph_softnet: I thought maybe fontconfig will replace the funtionality of defoma |
| 13:08.31 | RogueDopple | cahoot: have you tried google he he |
| 13:08.34 | streuner | heh, check out marillat |
| 13:08.34 | xoz | !mplayer |
| 13:08.35 | dpkg | somebody said mplayer was not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 13:08.44 | debiankid | tralala ill ask in 10 minutes :) im having some trouble with my connection to mysqlserver from my computer |
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| 13:09.00 | wren | I'm looking to rearrange the partitions on my computer rather drastically (switching from striping RAID between two disks to a different sized partition on one disk) and I figure the easiest way is to just reinstall Debian on the new partition after I've made it. However, I'd like to keep my current system in tact as much as possible. Does it work to just back up a few key directories (like etc, var, and home) and somehow get Debian to reins |
| 13:09.00 | wren | tall all the packages I have now? If so, how do I get Debian to restore my current package list? |
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| 13:09.03 | cahoot | RogueDopple: yes on occassion - why? |
| 13:09.08 | ph_softnet | cahoot, defoma is supposed to configure fontconfig |
| 13:09.09 | tarzeau | xoz: i'd use mplayer anyways |
| 13:09.28 | ph_softnet | its not a library |
| 13:09.33 | xoz | tarzeau: me too. |
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| 13:09.49 | cahoot | ph_softnet: ok - still confused but on a higher level ;) |
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| 13:10.10 | CAiRO | does xine meanwhile have a usable configuration dialog? when i last tried xine it used some very tiny fonts and x-toolkit which made it really unusable to me |
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| 13:10.36 | tralala | everybody's talking for no reason about mplayer? Or is it just a question from somebody in my ingore list? |
| 13:10.57 | ph_softnet | fontconfig is a library wich some programs use.How fontconfig acts, is described in its configuration file, fonts.conf.Defoma is on a higher level, a "general" font configurator for applications. |
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| 13:12.01 | cahoot | ph_softnet: trying to inform defoma of new ttf's installed is in my experience no easy task |
| 13:12.17 | randall | CAiRO: I use gxine, which is quite usable ... if you really dig mplayer fetch it from marillat |
| 13:12.28 | genelisp | hi, how can I get apt-get to resolve dependencies for me (as you can guess, I've not used it before)? I'm trying to install apache, so I tried apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker, but I get messages about dependencies, then the whole thing fails |
| 13:12.45 | ph_softnet | CAiRO, mkdir -pv /opt && download mplayer sources && read documentation && install codecs && configure,make all install and you're ready to go! |
| 13:12.57 | CAiRO | randall: ah, nice, thanks, i guess gxine has a gtk interface? |
| 13:13.17 | Tassium | genelisp: apt will generally resolve dependency problems for you if it can. So without seeing the problems it's having, it's hard to suggest a solution. |
| 13:13.18 | randall | CAiRO: yes ... and doesn't crash as often as kaffeine |
| 13:13.28 | ph_softnet | cahoot, actually, if the ttfs come from a package (like msttcorefonts) defoma gets updated |
| 13:13.31 | ph_softnet | automagically |
| 13:13.32 | ph_softnet | :p |
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| 13:13.40 | CAiRO | randall: ok, thanks, i hope it never crashes |
| 13:13.47 | randall | genelisp: are you trying to mix stable/testing or something ? |
| 13:14.00 | ph_softnet | pray to saint debian |
| 13:14.10 | cahoot | ph_softnet: yes - but not if you pull them in from other source |
| 13:14.17 | genelisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.44 | ph_softnet | cahoot, i dont know what you can do (if you can do anything) in that occasion |
| 13:14.50 | genelisp | randall: I want to install apache2 with php5, though so I'll have to use testing |
| 13:14.50 | randall | You should read some info about the repositories and tag them properly: read man apt_preferences |
| 13:15.02 | genelisp | randall, ok thanks |
| 13:15.03 | tralala | genelisp: or backports? |
| 13:15.06 | ph_softnet | i dont even know how and if i can configure the msttcorefonts package |
| 13:15.18 | randall | or backports, probably easier |
| 13:15.21 | cahoot | ph_softnet: I suppose one could read the installscripts in the msttcorefonts.deb |
| 13:15.33 | genelisp | tralala: ok, I'll have a look, thanks |
| 13:15.56 | ph_softnet | or not |
| 13:16.01 | ph_softnet | ;p |
| 13:16.13 | jerware | oh nidiswrapper-utils depends on libc6-2.3.6-6 but http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libc6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all only has up to 2.3.2x |
| 13:16.13 | debiankid | mm |
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| 13:16.36 | debiankid | whereis #samba? |
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| 13:17.32 | ph_softnet | i've got this other question: I have successfully installed and configured a workstation for our network.Now i want to replicate the exact installation to other identical machines.Any other way than dd? |
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| 13:17.50 | debiankid | jerware onto arigatou onii-san! |
| 13:17.55 | randall | jerware: you need the libc from testing or a backport |
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| 13:18.39 | jerware | randall: whats a backport? |
| 13:18.48 | randall | !backport |
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| 13:18.48 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 13:18.52 | tralala | ph_softnet: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 13:18.52 | kspath | !tell jerware about backport |
| 13:18.58 | jerware | hmmm |
| 13:19.12 | kspath | jerware: /msg dpkg backport |
| 13:19.19 | jerware | ughh all this work just to install ndiswrapper |
| 13:19.25 | jerware | the web makes it look so easy |
| 13:19.28 | kspath | !barbie |
| 13:19.28 | dpkg | Reading the manual is HARD! |
| 13:19.37 | randall | LOL |
| 13:19.38 | tralala | ph_softnet: /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 13:20.02 | randall | jerware: yes, ndiswrapper is a PITA |
| 13:20.21 | ricky_clarkson | !tightvnc |
| 13:20.21 | dpkg | well, tightvnc is an enhanced version of VNC, optimized for low-bandwidth (e.g. modem) connections; see http://www.tightvnc.com/ |
| 13:20.26 | ph_softnet | and i was wondering "how fast can this "dpkg" guy type???!" |
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| 13:20.46 | kspath | jerware: Are you volunteering to donate resources to "fix" ndiswrapper? |
| 13:20.47 | pharm | dpkg is an awesome typist |
| 13:20.47 | xoz | dpkg: what are you? |
| 13:20.47 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 13:20.49 | tralala | ph_softnet: the answer is: really fast |
| 13:20.54 | ph_softnet | wow! |
| 13:20.57 | ph_softnet | !wow |
| 13:20.58 | dpkg | methinks wow is a word begging with a 'w', then an 'o'. It ends with a 'w'. This means that it is reversible. It is a useful word for situations in which you wish to imply a feeling of general wow-ness. Best used in brackets following some other statement, like this: Debian is the best linux distro (wow). Also combine with exclamation marks for added wow-ity factor. (wow!!!) :) |
| 13:21.01 | loxley_ | ph_softnet: put in hdd, and use cp -ax for each filesystem then chroot into new drive and update lilo or grub .. |
| 13:21.23 | ph_softnet | loxley_, i could use dd if=blah of=bloh as well.. |
| 13:21.36 | ph_softnet | the drives are identical |
| 13:21.50 | loxley_ | ph_softnet: yeah.. |
| 13:21.51 | jerware | kspath: what kids of resources? |
| 13:22.02 | ricky_clarkson | Hi. Almost anything I try to install wants to remove kernel-image-2.6.5-1, which is more than a little annoying, because I am currently using it. |
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| 13:22.24 | kspath | jerware: programming skills, money, bandwidth, and/or computers... |
| 13:22.37 | ph_softnet | interesting information. thanx |
| 13:22.39 | randall | ricky_clarkson: don't talk to things which want to kill your kernel |
| 13:22.48 | ph_softnet | !bsd |
| 13:22.48 | dpkg | read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or 00:48 < beta3> BSD stand for Bull Shit Distribution |
| 13:23.00 | tralala | ph_softnet: please, /msg the bot |
| 13:23.17 | ph_softnet | yep im sorry :) its fun! |
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| 13:23.25 | ph_softnet | it thinks bsd is bullshit |
| 13:23.33 | ph_softnet | someone has got to reprogram the poor thing.. |
| 13:23.34 | ricky_clarkson | I'll try making it install kernel-image-2.6.5-1 at the same time and see what happens. |
| 13:23.48 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: what are you trying to install ? |
| 13:23.49 | kspath | ph_softnet: So you must not really know "bsd". |
| 13:23.50 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: tightvncserver |
| 13:24.10 | ph_softnet | kspath, aint got you |
| 13:24.12 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: what does a simple `apt-get -f install` do ? |
| 13:24.25 | ph_softnet | im using bsd for 5 years |
| 13:24.37 | randall | ph_softnet: which bsd ? |
| 13:24.44 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Gives no errors etc. |
| 13:24.51 | ph_softnet | i've used free open and net but mostly free |
| 13:24.58 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: The the next time I do apt-get install tightvncserver I get the same symptom. |
| 13:24.59 | kspath | ph_softnet: Did you notice that the last bit was a jerk's quote? |
| 13:25.03 | jerware | will apt-get install ndiswrapper work better than using m-a ? |
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| 13:25.22 | jerware | if i were willing to find an elsewhere internet connection for that box. |
| 13:25.26 | ricky_clarkson | ph_softnet: Who the fuck cares what dpkg thinks? It's written in Perl. Need I say more? |
| 13:25.32 | ph_softnet | kspath, maybe the next jerk's quote could be mine then |
| 13:25.32 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: is it trying to pull anything else? |
| 13:25.38 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Yes, lots. |
| 13:25.39 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: have you updated your system? it may not be a tightvnc issue. |
| 13:25.45 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: can you post all of that? |
| 13:25.49 | ph_softnet | ricky_clarkson, heh |
| 13:25.52 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: I'm convinced it's not a tightvnc issue. ;) |
| 13:25.59 | kspath | ph_softnet: You could add to it. That would be quite fair. |
| 13:26.16 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: update and upgrade first. or dpkg --pending --configure |
| 13:26.20 | ph_softnet | yep, but i dont have time for this |
| 13:26.20 | kspath | ph_softnet: /msg dpkg help |
| 13:26.22 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 13:26.25 | stoned | monday morning |
| 13:27.17 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: I'm afraid to update and upgrade. |
| 13:27.25 | stoned | ricky_clarkson, why? |
| 13:27.26 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: are you posting that error ? |
| 13:27.40 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Yes, waiting for a pastebin to stop being slow. |
| 13:27.44 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:27.50 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: then, you'll have some outdated files/deps that will haunt you later :) |
| 13:27.56 | jerware | does debian 3.1 have a desktop gui ? |
| 13:27.56 | ricky_clarkson | Because I'm a few miles from the machine, and I don't want to be messing around too much. |
| 13:28.24 | tralala | jerware: plenty of them |
| 13:28.25 | loxley_ | jerware: loads, loads and tons of them! |
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| 13:28.38 | brammator | jerware yes, debian has guis (kde, gnome, etc etc etc) since 1.0 |
| 13:28.44 | jerware | oh |
| 13:28.47 | brammator | at least, since 2.0 1-) |
| 13:29.05 | jerware | well i guess thats not the defualt on my CD |
| 13:29.10 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/app/view/53 |
| 13:29.14 | ph_softnet | but i have touched some of the configuration files for some installed packages (by hand).I guess i could make a tar ball and extract them after installation right? |
| 13:29.43 | tralala | ph_softnet: sure |
| 13:29.59 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: If I do apt-get dist-upgrade and see that kernel-image-2.6.5-1 is in the list of things to remove, I'll be annoyed. ;) |
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| 13:30.06 | kspath | ph_softnet: You could script modifications or replacements as well. |
| 13:30.12 | kspath | ph_softnet: Whatever works for you. |
| 13:30.19 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: pin it? :) |
| 13:30.28 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: it's the libc6 and/or e2fsprogs |
| 13:30.33 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: sarge? |
| 13:30.38 | ricky_clarkson | sid |
| 13:30.45 | stoned | I hate sid |
| 13:30.49 | ricky_clarkson | But sid last updated about 9 months ago. |
| 13:30.53 | ricky_clarkson | I was on top of it then. |
| 13:30.57 | abrotman | !depends libc6 sid |
| 13:30.59 | stoned | abrotman, man you like smacking people don't you |
| 13:31.01 | ph_softnet | i was thinking of rolling my own package (including modified config files) and using it afterwards |
| 13:31.03 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: that kernel no longer exists in sid :) |
| 13:31.05 | kspath | ph_softnet: If you put your version of each config in cvs or svn or the like you could track your own changes and script updates to your machines. |
| 13:31.05 | ricky_clarkson | The machine's been off since September. |
| 13:31.07 | abrotman | stoned: i've got extra |
| 13:31.19 | stoned | heh |
| 13:31.30 | stoned | abrotman, no thanks, I'm good |
| 13:31.33 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: I don't like to turn my machine on after a few months and find I can't install stuff. |
| 13:31.36 | abrotman | i figured |
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| 13:31.58 | dpkg | libc6: depends on tzdata |
| 13:32.03 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: indeed. xorg 7 will surely mess some things... |
| 13:32.04 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: then you don't want to be running sid |
| 13:32.05 | abrotman | dpkg: are you serious? |
| 13:32.07 | stoned | I finally found that machine in my house, one that I could ping, but I couldn't find! |
| 13:32.09 | genelisp | where can I get a list of debian mirrors for sources? |
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| 13:32.12 | abrotman | !depends e2fsprogs sid |
| 13:32.18 | abrotman | !tell genelisp about mirrors |
| 13:32.21 | dpkg | e2fsprogs: pre-depends on e2fslibs (= 1.38+1.39-WIP-2006.04.09-2), libblkid1 (>= 1.34-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.34-1), libdevmapper1.02 (>= 2:1.02.02-2), libselinux1 (>= 1.30), libsepol1 (>= 1.12), libss2 (>= 1.34-1), libuuid1 (>= 1.34-1) |
| 13:32.25 | stoned | it was under my clothes in drity clothes still hooked up to power |
| 13:32.39 | cr3 | when I try to install the unrar package, I get a message that it is only available from another source. what can I do? |
| 13:32.46 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: Well, I am. |
| 13:32.49 | stoned | for almost 2 months I couldn't find my laptop, I could ping it, I cleaned my room and then I found it |
| 13:32.50 | stoned | lol |
| 13:32.53 | abrotman | !tell cr3 about non-free |
| 13:32.56 | abrotman | !tell cr3 about contrib |
| 13:33.04 | abrotman | !tell cr3 about unrar |
| 13:33.19 | stoned | !tell abrotman about !tell |
| 13:33.21 | stoned | heh |
| 13:33.37 | kspath | cr3: Did you do a apt-cache search unrar? |
| 13:33.44 | kspath | an |
| 13:33.45 | stoned | its a freaky word, tell, say it like 5 times fast, telltelltelltell |
| 13:33.46 | cr3 | abrotman: cheers, I didn't know there was a unrar-free |
| 13:34.03 | cr3 | kspath: I had run dpkg -l '*rar*' and it only listed unrar |
| 13:34.04 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: So I should pin it, ok.. |
| 13:34.11 | cr3 | that'll teach me to use dpkg instead of apt-cache :( |
| 13:34.14 | ricky_clarkson | !pin |
| 13:34.15 | dpkg | it has been said that pin is a small bolt, or also see pinning |
| 13:34.19 | ricky_clarkson | !pinning |
| 13:34.19 | quiet | ifi get the 2.6.16 source from kernel.org... do i just need the 2.6.16.18 patch? |
| 13:34.19 | dpkg | apt-pinning is probably read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 13:34.21 | kspath | cr3: man apt-cache |
| 13:34.27 | abrotman | pinning isn't going to work here i don't think |
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| 13:34.42 | stoned | pinning I dunno man, I just use the -t switch |
| 13:34.42 | cr3 | kspath: yeah, I know about it, but I keep using dpkg for some stupid reason |
| 13:34.50 | stoned | -t is much FASTER than editing files |
| 13:34.58 | ricky_clarkson | I might just get the source for tightvncserver then. |
| 13:34.58 | stoned | imho anyway |
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| 13:35.03 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: something may conflict with those initrd-tools |
| 13:35.10 | kspath | cr3: dpkg is very useful/powerful. Nothing to be sorry about. |
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| 13:35.36 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I don't care about initrd-tools, I just want to run tightvncserver, which has quite minimal dependencies. |
| 13:35.36 | cr3 | kspath: sure, but not for listing packages not installed on my system |
| 13:35.45 | kspath | cr3: True. |
| 13:35.49 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: damn it .. get a newer kernel .. stop whining |
| 13:35.57 | kspath | cr3: apt-file and debtags are nice as well |
| 13:36.06 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I don't have a reason to use a newer kernel. |
| 13:36.12 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: now you do! :) |
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| 13:36.16 | ricky_clarkson | What? |
| 13:36.44 | ricky_clarkson | ..what is the reason? |
| 13:36.46 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you want tightvncserver .. which wants to remove your kernel :) |
| 13:37.00 | ricky_clarkson | Why does it want to do that? |
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| 13:37.10 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get wtf ;) |
| 13:37.18 | Gnea | ah, finally got dns fixed |
| 13:37.27 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i think something conflicts with the initrd-tools .. which the kernel depends on |
| 13:37.32 | kspath | Gnea: congratulations! |
| 13:37.46 | Gnea | kspath: thanks :) |
| 13:37.54 | ph_softnet | byee |
| 13:37.55 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: How do I tell what conflicts? |
| 13:38.14 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: apt-cache |
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| 13:38.27 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I cannot use apt-get install tightvncserver kernel-image-2.6.5-1, which would normally tell me, because that kernel-image doesn't exist any more. |
| 13:38.36 | cr3 | kspath: interesting, I didn't know about debtags, I'll check it out. thanks. |
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| 13:38.51 | ricky_clarkson | libc6 removes kernel-image. |
| 13:39.09 | abrotman | yay! |
| 13:39.09 | kspath | cr3: thanks the authors of apt-file and debtags and the like. I only noticed they seemed useful. |
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| 13:39.21 | vin` | cr3: tried aptitude? |
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| 13:39.37 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Why does libc6 remove kernel-image? |
| 13:39.48 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: i think kernel image can be pinned... gamble? |
| 13:39.48 | ateoh211 | exit |
| 13:40.08 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: I'll try it. |
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| 13:41.13 | tralala | maybe new libc hates the kernel and thinks it can do better without it because all it does is to stand in its way |
| 13:41.29 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: you may pin also initrd or initramfs and module-init-tools for more precautions |
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| 13:42.00 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, pin didn't work. |
| 13:42.07 | randall | yeah, the new libc conflicts with linux and installs hurd |
| 13:42.30 | ricky_clarkson | Package: kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686 \n Pin: * \n Priority: 1000 |
| 13:42.33 | Gnea | randall: in sid? |
| 13:42.58 | quiet | I am trying to apply the 2.6.16.18 patch to the 2.6.16 tree... i get this: http://pastebin.com/732948 what am I doing wrong? |
| 13:43.05 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: the other technique is to edit the info file and erase temporarily the libc6 version deps to fool apt. |
| 13:43.13 | randall | Gnea: kinda |
| 13:43.23 | jaybuffet | hello.... i have a belkin kvm switch and everytime i switch to it using the keyboard combination, i get a atkbd.c: spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0 error |
| 13:43.26 | jaybuffet | any ideas |
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| 13:43.37 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: or lower it to your current system to avoid libc6 being updated... but not a good advice. |
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| 13:43.57 | Gnea | randall: no, it either is or it isn't |
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| 13:44.16 | Gnea | randall: is libc6 conflicting in sarge, etch or sid? |
| 13:44.23 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: I only have to use this machine until Thursday or so, hopefully, sounds like more trouble than it's worth. |
| 13:44.41 | randall | Gnea: it was a joke ! you know, hurd being the gnu kernel and stuff ... |
| 13:44.52 | tralala | Gnea: in sid. And it conflicts with kernel-image, most likely in favour of linux-image |
| 13:44.55 | streuner | !wb Gnea |
| 13:44.55 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Gnea has returned! |
| 13:45.05 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: I always hated upgrading kernels in Debian, the initrd garbage confused me. |
| 13:45.14 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 13:45.19 | Gnea | tralala: no problem here |
| 13:45.19 | tralala | !sid warning |
| 13:45.19 | dpkg | *Wheep!* Warning: Newbie upgrading to sid! |
| 13:45.27 | randall | quiet: try -p1 |
| 13:45.29 | Gnea | randall: oh ok :) |
| 13:45.38 | wam | Hi, I have several servers on one switch. When I change a active IP address from one server to another, the switch needs a few minutes/seconds to realize that there's another MAC behind it. Is there a nice way to kick its ass when the IPs change so that the arp-cache is updated? |
| 13:45.46 | quiet | randall, same error |
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| 13:45.49 | Gnea | !beer streuner |
| 13:45.51 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: What about that file? |
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| 13:46.10 | tralala | Gnea: ok, wrong assumption. At least the sure thing is that sid doesn't like 2.6.5 anymore. |
| 13:46.22 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: contains the deps which you can hack to fool apt from upgrading. lower the version of deps. |
| 13:46.37 | Gnea | tralala: ah, yeah pretty much anything less than 2.6.12 is out the door with sid |
| 13:46.54 | quiet | randall, nevermind it DID work... i was just not in /usr/src/linux when I did it that time. |
| 13:47.02 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: or increase the version number of some deps to fool apt that you have a recent package |
| 13:47.09 | randall | quite: no prob :) |
| 13:47.11 | loxley_ | wam: clear it from the switch |
| 13:47.18 | randall | s/quite/quiet/ |
| 13:47.18 | wam | loxley_: I have no access to the switch. |
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| 13:47.35 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: backup it if you wanna play. |
| 13:47.46 | wam | loxley_: I thought more about a "stable" version of a arp-poisoning tool... |
| 13:47.50 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: If I'm going to do stuff like that I may as well install as a normal user from source. |
| 13:47.51 | randall | wam: powercycle it ? |
| 13:47.54 | tralala | Gnea: that's mainly ricky_clarkson's problem. I'm not using sid. |
| 13:48.06 | wam | randall: I have no physical access to the switch. |
| 13:48.11 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: yeah but fooling apt is fun :) |
| 13:48.13 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: At least that way I won't fuck the whole system up. |
| 13:48.18 | lastnode | im running debootstrap etch and it says - Couldn't find these debs: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 base-config slang1a-utf8 |
| 13:48.19 | Gnea | tralala: oh, well i use sid and don't have that problem |
| 13:48.25 | lastnode | any idea why? mirror? |
| 13:48.31 | randall | well, arp-poison it, but that's not an optimal solution |
| 13:48.31 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: I don't want to fool apt, I want to install tightvncserver. ;) |
| 13:48.36 | sonia | I am having a doubt in configuring sendmail in a production system |
| 13:48.38 | tralala | Gnea: but then again you don't have 2.6.5 which you insist to keep |
| 13:48.48 | randall | wam: it'll cut you bandwidth quite a bit |
| 13:48.52 | sonia | whether I have to enable dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Family=inet6, Name=MSP-v6, Port=submission, Addr=::1')dnl |
| 13:48.54 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: why on earth do you need to keep 2.6.5? |
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| 13:49.06 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: which can be done by fooling apt because you have a system that makes apt crazy. |
| 13:49.25 | tralala | Gnea: to keep the channel busy? |
| 13:49.35 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: 1. I am miles from the machine, so I can't fix any boot issues easily. 2. Every time I upgrade a kernel in Debian something fucks up. |
| 13:49.56 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: don't you have anyone on the other end that you can coordinate with? |
| 13:50.14 | ricky_clarkson | Yes, but I can't be bothered. |
| 13:50.34 | Gnea | if you're having problems then you're obviously bothered |
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| 13:50.40 | ricky_clarkson | I just find that my current version of tightvncserver is a little unstable, and want a newer version in the hope that it works better. |
| 13:50.40 | lastnode | is there a specific server that is good to debootstrap etch from? |
| 13:50.50 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: or you can edit the record of 2.6.5 kernel in the status file to not installed so that it will not be upgraded? |
| 13:50.53 | randall | ricky_clarkson: you could take your kernel-image<smth.>.deb and mangle it with dpkg-deb, and make a linux-image out of it |
| 13:50.54 | Gnea | latest sid should be running at least 2.6.12, period. |
| 13:50.54 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.06 | lastnode | pipeline, im getting some packages not found, for some reason |
| 13:51.06 | superlinux | how should I reconfigure squid to I can see from the browser word "transfering" only? it seems that squid is not refering to the cache so much with me.. the browser tells "waiting" most of the time rather than transferring |
| 13:51.16 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: or you can equivs some packages to fool apt |
| 13:51.23 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: or install the kernel without it being recorded or tracked by apt. |
| 13:51.30 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: I think I need to know *why* the problem exists before I solve it with dpkg/apt/. |
| 13:51.32 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: as randall suggests |
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| 13:51.57 | ricky_clarkson | Why does apt-get install tightvncserver cause kernel-image-2.6.5-1 to be removed? |
| 13:52.03 | ricky_clarkson | Should be an apt-get why ;) |
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| 13:52.18 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: so put kernel-image-2.6.5-1 on hold :P |
| 13:52.29 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: Is hold the same as pin? |
| 13:52.41 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: yep. valid question. the kernel should not be updated auto. did you install the dummy kernel image which updates to the latest kernel? |
| 13:52.42 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: what's pin? |
| 13:52.50 | ricky_clarkson | !pinning |
| 13:52.50 | dpkg | well, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 13:53.13 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: I don't think so. What is that called? |
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| 13:53.24 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: Oh, no, the kernel is not being updated. It's being removed. |
| 13:54.02 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: so pinning should prevent it from being removed. no? |
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| 13:54.16 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: Yes, but it didn't seem to work. I probably did it badly. |
| 13:54.29 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: put it on hold? |
| 13:54.42 | ricky_clarkson | Is hold different to pin? |
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| 13:54.46 | randall | pinning want solve the prob |
| 13:55.00 | ricky_clarkson | Package: kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686 \n Pin: * \n Priority: 1000 |
| 13:55.06 | randall | with pinning it won't deinstall the kernel, but won't install the new package |
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| 13:55.35 | ricky_clarkson | randall: Maybe it would tell me why. |
| 13:55.45 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: no such package. |
| 13:55.56 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: Right. |
| 13:55.57 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: aptitude hold <package> |
| 13:56.23 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: so stop trying to feed us bullshit and put it on hold :) |
| 13:56.26 | randall | ricky_clarkson: I guess your package has a conflicts: field |
| 13:56.37 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: I asked a few times whether hold is different to pin. |
| 13:56.49 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: it probably is, so just try it and see what happens. |
| 13:56.54 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: If I use that, must I use aptitude instead of apt-get afterwards? |
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| 13:57.01 | Gnea | you have nothing to lose. |
| 13:57.11 | Gnea | except time, by arguing the point |
| 13:57.14 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: maybe |
| 13:57.23 | sonia | is any bosy is using senmail + sarge in production |
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| 13:57.52 | Gnea | sonia: i would not trust sendmail in any production environment. exim4, on the other hand... |
| 13:57.54 | RvGaTe | hello |
| 13:57.58 | RvGaTe | seems to work |
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| 13:58.05 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: Done that, still wants to remove the kernel. |
| 13:58.23 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: what happens if you simulate it? |
| 13:58.24 | randall | ricky_clarkson: take your kernel package and mangle it with dpkg-deb |
| 13:58.27 | ricky_clarkson | If I recall, hold prevents a package from being updated, not removed. |
| 13:58.29 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: remove its info in the status file :) |
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| 13:58.40 | randall | omg |
| 13:58.53 | K|NgGh0sT | zomg hai 2 u |
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| 13:58.57 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: do you still have the 2.6.5 deb itself? |
| 13:59.01 | sonia | Gnea: I would like to know whether we have to enable MSA in sendmail |
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| 13:59.18 | sonia | Gnea: i mean port 587 |
| 13:59.22 | Gnea | sonia: i guess you didn't read what i just said... |
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| 13:59.36 | sonia | I am also using exim4 |
| 13:59.41 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: Delete the entry for kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686? |
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| 14:00.02 | sonia | Gnea: but currently I am working in sendmail |
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| 14:00.25 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: yep. make a backup... |
| 14:00.25 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: Now it wants to remove just initrd-tools. |
| 14:00.26 | Gnea | sonia: i don't know, but someone else might.... did google come up with nothing? |
| 14:00.39 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: remove that also :) |
| 14:00.46 | lastnode | ok, debootstrap for etch is not finding some packages, this is really wierd |
| 14:01.35 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: Ok, it's not removing anything any more. |
| 14:01.51 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: yep. fooling apt is fun :) |
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| 14:02.19 | randall | xoz: yeah, it's like giving foreigners wrong directions ;) |
| 14:02.22 | ricky_clarkson | Next time I install Debian I will install stable, and anything else will be built from source or on a UML or something. |
| 14:02.23 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: you can just play with the version nos instead of removing the record also but.. |
| 14:02.50 | xoz | randall: anyway, sid is for experiment... |
| 14:03.16 | randall | xoz, I thought that's what experimental is for ... |
| 14:03.20 | superlinux | how should I reconfigure squid to I can see from the browser word "transfering" only? it seems that squid is not refering to the cache so much with me.. the browser tells "waiting" most of the time rather than transferring |
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| 14:03.46 | ricky_clarkson | Does Debian support user-level binary packages at all, i.e., support users who want to use stuff their admin hasn't installed? |
| 14:04.21 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: you can also comment the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<kernel.*> so that the postrm,etc scripts will not perform the removal. |
| 14:04.26 | randall | ricky: yeah, it does |
| 14:04.29 | lepton | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 14:04.34 | ricky_clarkson | randall: How? |
| 14:04.57 | randall | theres a package that installs stuff if users try to use/access it |
| 14:05.00 | ricky_clarkson | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 14:05.04 | randall | forgot the name, damnit |
| 14:05.11 | ricky_clarkson | randall: That's not what I meant. |
| 14:05.24 | abrotman | stow / checkinstall? .. which isn't what he was after anyways |
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| 14:05.36 | randall | ricky_clarkson: what do you mean then ? |
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| 14:05.55 | ricky_clarkson | randall: A user installing software just for himself. |
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| 14:06.25 | ricky_clarkson | randall: The way I know is to just go and find source packages and do stuff like ./configure --prefix=/home/ricky/custom |
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| 14:07.09 | ricky_clarkson | Any suggestions on the error I posted? |
| 14:07.13 | ricky_clarkson | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
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| 14:08.43 | Ray42 | hello |
| 14:08.49 | quitte | whee. gbit ethernet cards just arrived. |
| 14:08.52 | ricky_clarkson | !seen bob2 |
| 14:08.54 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 160d 7h 3m 36s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 14:09.00 | ricky_clarkson | !seen greycat |
| 14:09.00 | dpkg | greycat is currently on #debian-bots (1h 13m 15s) |
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| 14:09.43 | RvGaTe | i wonder, how old is dpkg actually? |
| 14:09.52 | ricky_clarkson | Older than the hills. |
| 14:09.53 | quitte | ricky_clarkson: maybe itll all become better on oftc |
| 14:10.02 | ricky_clarkson | quitte: Why oftc? |
| 14:10.10 | abrotman | RvGaTe: the bot or the program ? |
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| 14:10.15 | RvGaTe | the bot |
| 14:10.20 | abrotman | !born |
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| 14:10.24 | ricky_clarkson | quitte: Is there a 'more' official #debian there? |
| 14:10.25 | abrotman | !birthdate |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | !birthday |
| 14:10.27 | dpkg | The Debian Project was founded by Ian Murdock on August the 16th, 1993. Happy Tenth Birthday!, or http://pix.reactionnetworks.com/08_16_03_Debian_Turns_10_Years_Old/640/ http://tomas.ogren.pp.se/gallery/Debian-10 http://ashaman.plus.com/butlershousealbum/debpart http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian10party/ |
| 14:10.28 | abrotman | oh well |
| 14:10.30 | quitte | ricky_clarkson: because irc.debian.org will point there from june 4th on from what i heard |
| 14:10.38 | randall | !dpkg how old are you ? |
| 14:10.39 | dpkg | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 14:10.42 | ricky_clarkson | quitte: Why's that? |
| 14:10.44 | lastnode | can someone here help wiht debootstrap? |
| 14:10.46 | randall | LOL |
| 14:10.51 | ricky_clarkson | lollercoaster |
| 14:10.58 | abrotman | quitte: numerous reasons .. read the debian-project list |
| 14:11.07 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: or ask lilo |
| 14:11.08 | quitte | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:11.18 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Personal problems? |
| 14:11.37 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Is it related to TheFable? |
| 14:11.45 | randall | yeah, the dpkg has issues and needs to move |
| 14:11.46 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: not at all |
| 14:11.53 | abrotman | randall: dpkg is on oftc too |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | or .. i'm pretty sure he is |
| 14:12.12 | Ronin | it is on oftc abrotman |
| 14:12.15 | tralala | dpkg: gender? |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | see! |
| 14:12.15 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 14:12.19 | abrotman | i'm not crazy |
| 14:12.25 | Ronin | well i wouldnt say that |
| 14:12.30 | randall | well, I guess dpkg has multiple personality disorder, and want to get things sorted |
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| 14:12.40 | nse | do you know the name of that propram that display disk usage as geometric pieces? |
| 14:12.50 | yohu123 | does anyone know how to mount a usb ext2 partition in colinux debain? |
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| 14:13.04 | efaistos | hi |
| 14:13.07 | abrotman | Ronin: at least .. at least i'm not canadian! |
| 14:13.10 | efaistos | does someone use unison ? |
| 14:13.13 | ricky_clarkson | Suppose you want a generally stable box, you use Debian stable. But you also want to use new stuff. What's the best solution? |
| 14:13.21 | ricky_clarkson | some new stuff, not all new stuff. |
| 14:13.40 | randall | backports.org |
| 14:13.47 | nse | apt-pinning? |
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| 14:14.01 | dobbyX | how can i set the time in debian linux? |
| 14:14.04 | ricky_clarkson | randall: That seems to result in mixing new stuff with stable stuff. |
| 14:14.06 | Ronin | abrotman: thats ok we dont want you anyhow :) |
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| 14:14.09 | nse | dobbyX: date |
| 14:14.12 | randall | ricky: theres always a trade-off between security and newness |
| 14:14.25 | ricky_clarkson | randall: I'd like to separate the new stuff from the stable stuff. |
| 14:14.54 | quiet | alright.... starting the make-kpkg on my first Xen patched kernel... |
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| 14:15.00 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: you can also backport things yourself |
| 14:15.10 | randall | Then don't use new stuff ! problem solved ! ;) |
| 14:15.22 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: That achieves the same result, mixing new stuff with stable stuff. |
| 14:15.40 | yohu123 | anyone? |
| 14:15.44 | Bucciarati | hi.. how do i split a mbox in different files? i need this to feed spamassassin with the contents of an mbox file |
| 14:15.46 | ricky_clarkson | randall: No, part of the problem is wanting to use some new stuff. It's still on my screen. ;) |
| 14:15.52 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: it does. How would you like to separate them? |
| 14:16.07 | Zugschlus | Bucciarati: formail? |
| 14:16.27 | randall | ricky: well, you could run a stable system and have an unstable chroot environment with all the new and funky stuff |
| 14:16.34 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: That was my question. One option is user mode Linux. Another is to, as a user, install stuff into your home directory. |
| 14:16.41 | abrotman | Ronin: i don't want to be canadian .. i like showering |
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| 14:17.01 | Ronin | need new material there abrotman, youve used that one before |
| 14:17.04 | randall | ricky: third is chroot |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | Ronin: eh .. don't think so .. but ok |
| 14:17.22 | kspath | abrotman: Take a molson shower! |
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| 14:17.53 | ricky_clarkson | randall: Can I make sure that a chroot environment doesn't mess up the main environment, e.g., make chrooted 'root' user a real normal user? |
| 14:18.09 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: this kind of separation is like having two separate machines - one running stable and the other running new stuff. |
| 14:18.09 | abrotman | Ronin: i dare you to find the log! |
| 14:18.10 | kspath | abrotman: Why are you bothered by the Canadians eh? |
| 14:18.12 | pipeline | lastnode: debootstrapping unstable frequently doesn't work |
| 14:18.16 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: Yes. |
| 14:18.23 | Ronin | kspath: inferority complex ;) |
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| 14:18.34 | lastnode | pipeline, i see. better to deboostrap sarge and dist-upgrade to etch? |
| 14:18.38 | Ronin | abrotman: you may be right, but im certainly too lazy to look |
| 14:18.49 | kspath | Ronin: Is it that complex? My inferiority is quite simple. |
| 14:18.52 | abrotman | canadian! |
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| 14:18.56 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:19.01 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: I don't run a server. I want new stuff and I don't want to mess around with dependencies all the time. Maybe Debian doesn't fit my requirements now. |
| 14:19.02 | randall | ricky: why do you want that ? chrooted root can't mess around with the unchrooted env |
| 14:19.20 | ricky_clarkson | randall: Heh, that was my question, can it? Answer's no, I'm happy. |
| 14:19.43 | Ronin | ricky_clarkson: then dont run sarge pick etch if you want new ? |
| 14:19.54 | ricky_clarkson | Ronin: etch is testing, right now? |
| 14:20.01 | Ronin | ricky_clarkson: yep |
| 14:20.19 | randall | ricky: you could have different /etc/passwd in the real and chroot env, so it would probably work on a second thought |
| 14:20.24 | kspath | ricky_clarkson: What is the point of pretending to run sarge if you want bleeding edge and do not care about brokeness? |
| 14:20.25 | ricky_clarkson | testing doesn't let me use new stuff, just newish. |
| 14:20.39 | ricky_clarkson | kspath: I do care about brokenness, as I said. |
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| 14:20.44 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: well with debian you get either stable or problems. You cannot count on testing or unstable. |
| 14:20.52 | Ronin | ricky_clarkson: then go to sid and get used to fixing your system :) |
| 14:20.53 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: I'm aware of that. |
| 14:21.01 | ricky_clarkson | Ronin: I've been using sid for 4 years. |
| 14:21.08 | Ronin | ricky_clarkson: besides why do you NEED the new packages ? |
| 14:21.10 | kspath | ricky_clarkson: If you want new I would argue that you do not truely care about stability. |
| 14:21.10 | randall | ricky: go with a chroot environment ... there are packages to set them up |
| 14:21.32 | yohu123 | does anyone know how to mount a usb ext2 partition in colinux debain? |
| 14:21.32 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: I wanted to agree with you that probably debian doesn't meet your requirements. |
| 14:21.42 | pabs3 | anyone else seeing a weird problem in sid galeon where typing the 's' key in a form or on the url bar switches to the previous tab? |
| 14:21.48 | ricky_clarkson | kspath: That's wrong. I might want to try out new software, particularly user-level software, but keep my setup safe. |
| 14:22.24 | kspath | ricky_clarkson: Dual boot? virtualhost? Second or third or fourth machine(s)? |
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| 14:22.49 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: maybe ubuntu would be better. I'm just guessing here though. |
| 14:22.54 | ricky_clarkson | kspath: Dual boot and virtual host would work. |
| 14:23.14 | randall | tralala: you said the naughty word ! |
| 14:23.19 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: I think the same limitations exist in Debian and Ubuntu, because the same packaging system is used in each. |
| 14:23.38 | Bucciarati | Zugschlus: thank you. formail did it |
| 14:23.52 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: Just different balances of newness and stability. |
| 14:23.54 | Zugschlus | Bucciarati: yw |
| 14:24.01 | iugJ | HAI DEB |
| 14:24.03 | ricky_clarkson | Ronin: So why do you point me there? |
| 14:24.05 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: I don't think the packaging system is the limitation here. It's more a policy thing. |
| 14:24.07 | Bucciarati | Zugschlus: for completness, i was looking for "formail -s sa-learn --spam < spam_mbox" |
| 14:24.13 | abrotman | i think ricky_clarkson's problem is that he's canadian |
| 14:24.19 | ricky_clarkson | !ricky_clarkson |
| 14:24.19 | dpkg | [ricky_clarkson] english |
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| 14:24.45 | Zugschlus | Bucciarati: sa_learn can understand mboxas afair |
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| 14:25.24 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: I cannot install binary packages as a normal user with Debian. I think that's the limitation. I.e., by that user, only for that user. |
| 14:25.26 | Bucciarati | Zugschlus: oh shit.. sa-learn --mbox .. :) |
| 14:25.37 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: and ubuntu's policy is to have new stuff. It is supposed to be a bit more tight that debian testing or unstable because they are trying to have a production system. |
| 14:25.50 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you need to learn how to joke! |
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| 14:25.58 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: Yes, maybe it's the best compromise. |
| 14:25.59 | abrotman | tralala: take it to #ubuntu |
| 14:26.00 | tavancini | guys, how can i clear my mbr ?? please, no DOS commands... |
| 14:26.01 | ricky_clarkson | !bomb abrotman |
| 14:26.03 | kspath | !joke abrotman |
| 14:26.08 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman |
| 14:26.17 | iugJ | JOin please |
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| 14:26.55 | Ronin | join what |
| 14:27.06 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: I'll also find out how Gentoo works that way before I make up my mind. I'm expecting to be installing some form of non-Windows OS on a laptop towards the end of the week, just working out what suits my needs. |
| 14:27.07 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: I think you can install debian packages as user in a carefully configured chroot. |
| 14:27.21 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: Run debootstrap on it first, right? |
| 14:27.30 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: sure |
| 14:27.37 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: I'll bear that in mind. |
| 14:27.38 | amee2k | which date does `ls -l` usually show? |
| 14:27.52 | amee2k | access, creation, ...? |
| 14:28.15 | ricky_clarkson | As my hardware is newer than Debian stable, how can I tell whether all the hardware is compatible with Debian stable? I can find specs for the hardware. |
| 14:28.26 | blondie | amee2k: modification |
| 14:28.32 | amee2k | ty |
| 14:28.37 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: ask us! :) |
| 14:28.38 | blondie | creation time isn't stored by most filesystems |
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| 14:28.42 | randall | ricky: it only depends on your kernel |
| 14:28.49 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: though .. if it works with 2.6.5 .. sarge has a 2.6.8 |
| 14:28.56 | Daedalus_ | ricky_clarkson: in general, it's easier to "just try it(tm)" than it is to dig through the specs... |
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| 14:29.09 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Different machine. |
| 14:29.12 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: the hardware is a kernel matter. Stable has 2.6.8 so you need to know what 2.6.8 supports. |
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| 14:29.23 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: ah .. gotcha |
| 14:29.23 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, makes sense. |
| 14:29.59 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: After I get my laptop back from the repair people I'll probably unplug this machine again. ;) |
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| 14:30.15 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: or maybe reinstall it ? |
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| 14:30.46 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Unless I make it a web server I won't have much use for it, and until I get a rickyclarkson.com or something I won't have much use for a webserver. |
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| 14:30.57 | randall | ricky: run a live cd, do an lspci -n and paste the answer into the webpage I gave |
| 14:31.07 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: who would visit your site? .. the leagues of dance hall partners you have? |
| 14:31.15 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 14:31.16 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 14:31.28 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Yes, and Java programmers. |
| 14:31.38 | randall | cool, even dpkg nows about the site :) |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | and has for a very long time |
| 14:31.46 | ricky_clarkson | randall: Interesting, I'll whack that into my google bookmarks. |
| 14:32.10 | randall | ricky: that page saved my day once or twice |
| 14:32.17 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 14:32.17 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
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| 14:32.34 | ricky_clarkson | randall: I have a Slax Live CD, will that do? |
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| 14:32.37 | ricky_clarkson | !slax |
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| 14:32.43 | ricky_clarkson | Slax is based on Slackware. |
| 14:32.48 | abrotman | anything should work |
| 14:33.09 | abrotman | well .. anything recently new :) |
| 14:33.13 | randall | !thanks abrotman |
| 14:33.14 | dpkg | randall: bitte |
| 14:33.18 | ricky_clarkson | Will a wireless card come up in that? |
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| 14:33.28 | abrotman | is it pcmcia or pci ? |
| 14:33.35 | ricky_clarkson | No idea. |
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| 14:33.42 | abrotman | (i can't remember if pcmcia works with lspci) |
| 14:33.45 | ricky_clarkson | It's internal, laptop. |
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| 14:34.11 | randall | wireless is a little tricky with debian |
| 14:34.21 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: then it's probably pci .. and yes .. should show up |
| 14:34.24 | ricky_clarkson | Is that an understatement? |
| 14:34.37 | ricky_clarkson | !wireless |
| 14:34.37 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux, or try asking #wireless |
| 14:34.37 | abrotman | or mini-pci .. but either way .. should show up |
| 14:34.49 | Gnea | wireless isn't too difficult in debian |
| 14:34.51 | randall | abrotman: I've got an internal wireless, and it's (sic!) usb |
| 14:35.20 | ricky_clarkson | I think what I'll do is see if I can get everything working on Debian stable in 2 days. If I can't I'll remove it. |
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| 14:35.34 | amee2k | stupid question: are all dependencies listed for a package in the (official) repo /really/ mandatory? |
| 14:35.36 | ricky_clarkson | I use the same technique to pick Java development tools. ;) |
| 14:35.45 | randall | ricky_clarkson: 2 days is tricky |
| 14:35.48 | lastnode | in a debootstrap, how long should I: Checking component main on http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian... |
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| 14:35.59 | ricky_clarkson | !gentoosmite randall |
| 14:36.04 | abrotman | randall: don't buy dell laptops |
| 14:36.17 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you could always go with etch .. |
| 14:36.22 | superlinux | Gnea, hi |
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| 14:36.30 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: less breakage .. and you should know enough to handle it |
| 14:36.32 | jerware | whats wrong with dell laptops |
| 14:36.33 | jkogut | 2dpkg: Are you really a dpkg mastah ? |
| 14:36.37 | abrotman | s/laptops// |
| 14:36.41 | abrotman | and .. everything |
| 14:36.55 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Well, if stable works for me there should be less heartache. |
| 14:36.59 | abrotman | yep |
| 14:37.22 | abrotman | amee2k: they're dependencies for a reason .. |
| 14:37.38 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd1 |
| 14:37.38 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 14:38.00 | amee2k | yea.... :/ |
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| 14:38.15 | plasmoduck | I keep getting this message: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages |
| 14:38.19 | plasmoduck | then when I do it I get |
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| 14:38.32 | plasmoduck | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/asterisk-config-amportal_1.10.009-22_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 14:38.32 | randall | abrotman: wasn't dell |
| 14:38.32 | plasmoduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.37 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, thanks for your help, guess I'll get very familiar with chroot. |
| 14:38.41 | abrotman | !tell plasmoduck about overwrite |
| 14:38.47 | kspath | I remember long ago when linux and bsd people were hobbyists and tried to fix things themselves. Of course there were always whiners back then also. Perhaps the changes more recently are the reasons for making requests/demands and the excuses for not doing research. |
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| 14:39.55 | elopes | oi gente |
| 14:40.00 | elopes | brasil |
| 14:40.04 | elopes | hehe |
| 14:40.05 | ricky_clarkson | kspath: If that refers to me, I think Debian should insist/suggest that sid/testing be in chroots and that the main system should be stable. Of course, I haven't tried that yet, come back to me in a week. |
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| 14:40.41 | plasmoduck | hmm |
| 14:40.46 | plasmoduck | not working |
| 14:40.49 | randall | oi elopes |
| 14:40.54 | randall | !randall |
| 14:41.50 | randall | plasmoduck: seems as though you're mixing two different asterisk versions |
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| 14:42.36 | kyo | hola |
| 14:42.41 | kyo | hi |
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| 14:43.26 | S2AnGeL | how do I read the media with the dvd+rw-mediainfo command |
| 14:43.45 | S2AnGeL | dvd+rw-mediainfo /media/cdrom does not work nor does /dev/hdc |
| 14:44.05 | jair | hey guys, could I use rsync if I have two virtual machines running in a vmware (virtualized)? |
| 14:44.25 | kyo | I am downloading kde 3.5 in the ftp mirror there are tar.xdelta tar.bzip2. What must I download? |
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| 14:44.33 | randall | jair: yes |
| 14:44.42 | plasmoduck | Forbidden |
| 14:44.43 | plasmoduck | You don't have permission to access /phpsysinfo/ on this server. |
| 14:44.51 | plasmoduck | I stuffed my permissions up |
| 14:44.54 | plasmoduck | what do I have to do? |
| 14:45.03 | S2AnGeL | jair: long as you hve two dirs to keep sync'd I can't see why not |
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| 14:45.18 | randall | kyo: wrong channel goto #kde |
| 14:45.28 | kyo | ok thanks |
| 14:45.34 | abrotman | !tell kyo about kde 3.5 |
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| 14:47.13 | jkogut | Hello! Is there any dpkg mastah at all ?? |
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| 14:47.19 | plasmoduck | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
| 14:47.19 | plasmoduck | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
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| 14:48.20 | kspath | !tell plasmoduck about paste |
| 14:48.40 | S2AnGeL | I am trying to burn to some dvdrw disks not having alot of luck .. can anyone sujest a link or point me in the right direction |
| 14:48.42 | kyo | I have some problems installing programs from the CD? |
| 14:48.46 | RvGaTe | last time i saw someone login irc using root account was like 5 months ago |
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| 14:49.08 | jkogut | how to tell dpkg that some programm is installed in configured manually |
| 14:49.14 | jkogut | ? |
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| 14:50.33 | randall | obey the mighty root ! |
| 14:51.34 | overnout | in what file can sombody set the first part of a version number ... for example the 1: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20060325-0.3 if somebody wants to build a debian package ? |
| 14:51.43 | kyo | I installed some programs and now I can't any. I don't now why? |
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| 14:52.23 | pabs3 | overnout: #debian-mentors for development questions |
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| 14:53.12 | pabs3 | overnout: add a new entry to debian/changelog using debchange from the devscripts package |
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| 14:53.34 | overnout | pabs3: it changes the second part |
| 14:53.41 | sirion2 | hello all |
| 14:53.50 | overnout | pabs3: but it sets a 0: infront of it |
| 14:53.53 | kyo | Can tell me why, please? |
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| 14:54.19 | teknoprep | where do i put isl3880 for prism54 in debian? |
| 14:54.20 | jair | randall: yes what I am planning is send all the information from one virtual machine to another one |
| 14:54.23 | teknoprep | i thought it was /etc/hotplug |
| 14:54.28 | jair | the exact same copy |
| 14:54.37 | pabs3 | overnout: you might need to explicitly add 1: to the changelog then |
| 14:54.48 | overnout | ok ill try that :P |
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| 14:55.12 | jair | randall:also it is an option that tells rsync to send and preserve permissions and also time and date created or modifyied? |
| 14:55.16 | randall | kyo: how should we know ? You gave absolutely no info on what you did ! |
| 14:55.19 | cahoot | overnout: man debchange |
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| 14:55.31 | kyo | sorry. |
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| 14:55.40 | overnout | cahoot: thank you |
| 14:55.40 | randall | jair: man rsync |
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| 14:56.05 | overnout | im particulary trying to build mplayer from sources |
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| 14:56.46 | kyo | the problem is, when I want to install any program I can,t, it say me something is wrong sent error 1? |
| 14:57.01 | blondie | please give the exact error message |
| 14:57.04 | RvGaTe | 3min left ! |
| 14:57.09 | blondie | i.e. copy and paste |
| 14:57.43 | kspath | RvGaTe: Do we need to see a countdown everyday? |
| 14:57.44 | randall | kyo: what program do you use to install ? what packages are you installing ? what error messages come ? |
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| 14:57.57 | RvGaTe | kspath: if you want to, sure, why not :P |
| 14:58.06 | randall | RvGaTe: 3mins till what ? |
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| 14:58.11 | RvGaTe | till i can go home |
| 14:58.26 | randall | RvGaTe: what timezone are you in ? |
| 14:58.43 | RvGaTe | amsterdam, currently 16.58 |
| 14:58.54 | flapane | also here |
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| 14:59.10 | randall | RvGaTe: k, also my timezone then :) I'm already home for hours ... |
| 14:59.20 | RvGaTe | randall: yeah, but you dont work :P |
| 14:59.24 | jair | randall: that man rsync means that you don't know the option? |
| 14:59.48 | kyo | randall: tasksel or dpkg, and any program in the cd and the error is "something is wrong sent error 1"; |
| 14:59.50 | randall | !tell jair about man |
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| 15:01.42 | flapane | please could anyone tell me if i can erase /var/log folder? after 4months it's 40mb |
| 15:01.47 | randall | jair: it means type man rsync on a console |
| 15:01.59 | callee | wow, seems i can do banking with debian in 10 days |
| 15:02.05 | lepton | flapane: no don't erase it |
| 15:02.09 | flapane | why? |
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| 15:02.13 | randall | flapane: if you don't need the logs anymore, delete the old ones |
| 15:02.25 | flapane | yep i don't need them anymore, that's the point |
| 15:02.29 | flapane | but i preferred to ask |
| 15:02.34 | lepton | flapane: it needs to be there. |
| 15:02.42 | flapane | why? |
| 15:02.58 | RvGaTe | im off, having a loooong trip to home (takes me almost 2 hors to get home) |
| 15:03.06 | jair | randall: I know that but if I know that if you type "/" using rsync will make the command send the information inside the directory I will tell you that I will not send you to the man pages or google. |
| 15:03.09 | randall | flapane: install logrotate, and delete the old file if you sad about 40mb |
| 15:03.15 | jair | randall: unless I do not know the answer? |
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| 15:03.31 | flapane | can't i use rm -r * ? |
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| 15:04.21 | lepton | flapane: sure, you can rm -r. don't complain here when it messes up your system |
| 15:04.38 | randall | flapane: some programs can write to files in /var/log/, but not recreate them |
| 15:04.40 | flapane | yes lepton but i am asking you from ages why |
| 15:04.47 | flapane | aah okk |
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| 15:05.12 | teknoprep | asdf |
| 15:05.17 | randall | jair: sry, I can't follow what your talking about |
| 15:05.27 | lepton | flapane: read the debian policy manual for more answers. section 5.7 |
| 15:05.29 | flapane | so it's better to leave there, i didn't know that some programs couldn't recreate them |
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| 15:05.36 | flapane | ok i'll go |
| 15:05.37 | kyo | somebody knows how help me? |
| 15:05.44 | mond00 | apt-get install gforge is there anything i should change from default? |
| 15:05.51 | prock | is there a way to get a listing of what packages (and versions) will be installed _after_ I do an 'apt-get upgrade' |
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| 15:06.21 | cheal | prock: did you try # apt-get -s upgrade; ? |
| 15:06.36 | randall | prock: apt-get -s upgrade |
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| 15:06.40 | kspath | prock: Did you man apt-get ? |
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| 15:07.01 | prock | cheal: yes I can parse that if absolutely necessary, but I'm wondering if there's something that will give me a list |
| 15:07.07 | randall | kspath: man apt-get is big, I miss some options sometimes, too :) |
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| 15:07.53 | abrotman | prock: apt-get -u upgrade |
| 15:07.55 | dos000 | anyone: i have an alias in my ~/.bashrc however calling the alias from a bash script (my.sh) does not work while calling the same exact command from the prompt works |
| 15:08.07 | flapane | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s5.7 it doesn't seems to be more helpful but anyway thanks |
| 15:08.19 | abrotman | dos000: you may need to source your .bashrc |
| 15:08.22 | lepton | dos000: have the script source your .bashrc |
| 15:08.38 | dos000 | lepton, i did it still does not recognize the command |
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| 15:09.09 | randall | cu guys, I'm gone ! |
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| 15:09.40 | cheal | prock: maybe try apt-show-versions |
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| 15:10.17 | lepton | dos000: you need to be more specific. |
| 15:10.22 | dos000 | lepton, it always says command not found |
| 15:10.42 | cesarstafe | hi, somebody can tell me about one tutorial for use php4 and php5 together on apache2 in a host with debian sarge 3.1? |
| 15:10.43 | dos000 | lepton, ./sync-all.sh: line 3: scp-sync: command not found |
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| 15:10.54 | cesarstafe | please! thanks for all! |
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| 15:11.11 | dos000 | lepton, scp-sync is an alias to rsync with defaults parameters |
| 15:11.17 | kspath | !tell cesarstafe about php4 |
| 15:11.19 | kspath | !tell cesarstafe about php5 |
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| 15:11.31 | TonyRad | Alright, I'm having a problem with my dmz server... the hard drive keeps filling up. I have no idea what is filling up the hard drive though, does anybody have any thoughts on what it might be, or how I could check? |
| 15:11.34 | b0r3d | hi. how to stop sendmail on sarge? |
| 15:11.35 | prock | ok thanks all |
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| 15:11.51 | abrotman | b0r3d: /etc/init.d/sendmail stop .. but probably want an MTA |
| 15:11.57 | TonyRad | It's kind of important to get it back up and running, because we can't get any external email until it's fixed |
| 15:12.05 | lepton | dos000: learn about debugging shell scripts. somehowe 'scp-sync' isn't defined in the context in which you called it |
| 15:12.09 | b0r3d | abrotman, there's no /etc/init.d/sendmail |
| 15:12.16 | abrotman | are you using sendmail ? |
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| 15:13.01 | dhughes | hello room |
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| 15:13.30 | abrotman | !room |
| 15:13.30 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 15:13.32 | b0r3d | abrotman, i thought the box was running sendmail by default |
| 15:13.35 | kyo | How can I install java, I have the jdk 1.4, I want to install jdk 1.5? |
| 15:13.41 | abrotman | b0r3d: well .. look |
| 15:13.46 | abrotman | !tell Kyo about install java |
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| 15:13.56 | kspath | TonyRad: man du; man df; man find; ls -la /var/ ; man netstat;man fuser;man lsof;man ps;man top |
| 15:14.24 | b0r3d | abrotman, it's running postfix smtp |
| 15:14.39 | cesarstafe | kspath: I need run php4 and php5 together in apache2!! php4 module + php5 cgi but i can't configure that! i have problems in this case! |
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| 15:14.49 | TonyRad | Thanks kspath |
| 15:14.50 | kspath | !tell TonyRad about grounding |
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| 15:17.30 | MakuzoBR | hi |
| 15:17.39 | kspath | TonyRad: man sort ; look at sed and awk; else use perl and/or python or whatever you prefer. |
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| 15:18.22 | b0r3d | abrotman, how to check the enabled services on the box? chkconfig -list? |
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| 15:19.29 | awink | Ha...ha....ha... |
| 15:19.35 | MakuzoBR | hi, I am of Brazil and use Debian. I do not say English very well |
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| 15:19.52 | Ronin | !br |
| 15:19.53 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 15:20.11 | teknomega | hey all |
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| 15:20.20 | teknomega | hotplug isn't working with isl3890 hmm |
| 15:20.22 | teknomega | this is odd |
| 15:20.49 | awink | I'm indonesian |
| 15:20.55 | MakuzoBR | dpkg, é do brasil? |
| 15:21.05 | Ronin | MakuzoBR: dpkg is a bot |
| 15:21.08 | kspath | !tell MakuzoBR about dpkg |
| 15:21.12 | kspath | !tell MakuzoBR about br |
| 15:21.22 | cesarstafe | :D |
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| 15:22.24 | MakuzoBR | kspath, ok |
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| 15:23.14 | teknomega | HMM |
| 15:23.18 | teknomega | this is crazy |
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| 15:23.34 | teknomega | i have never had a problem with debian and prism54 |
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| 15:24.59 | awink | Anyone cant speak indonesian? |
| 15:25.25 | teknomega | yeah most americans can't |
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| 15:25.36 | teknomega | probably most ppl in europe also |
| 15:25.44 | teknomega | and most ppl in africa |
| 15:25.47 | teknomega | thats alot of ppl |
| 15:25.54 | Phated | Most in Asia, too. |
| 15:25.58 | teknomega | lol |
| 15:26.02 | Phated | Except Indonesians. |
| 15:26.03 | teknomega | yeah |
| 15:26.16 | teknomega | HOW THE F to get prism54 to work |
| 15:26.24 | Phated | \o/ |
| 15:26.29 | mc__ | my sound doesnt work,but my soundcard is connected,if playing sth with XMMS no error occurs,but i simply do not here anything |
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| 15:26.35 | SlayerXP | swings, not swingers. |
| 15:26.37 | mc__ | i meant detected |
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| 15:26.45 | teknomega | i love swinging |
| 15:26.49 | stew | teknomega: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:26.53 | Phated | Turn the volume up, mc__. |
| 15:26.57 | teknomega | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 15:27.04 | mc__ | Phated, i did taht already with gamix |
| 15:27.06 | teknomega | should i update? |
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| 15:27.27 | Phated | Oh. :) |
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| 15:28.32 | teknomega | hmm how would i find if the wireless card is even being detected? |
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| 15:29.22 | cahoot | mc__: using correct output for xmms (choose in the config)? |
| 15:29.32 | mc__ | cahoot, yes |
| 15:29.40 | thingfish | teknomega: try lspci |
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| 15:30.04 | kspath | hwinfo ? |
| 15:30.06 | awink | kontol |
| 15:30.10 | teknomega | 0000:00:0b.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01) |
| 15:30.12 | teknomega | there is it |
| 15:30.15 | cahoot | mc__: does a simpler audio app (like aplay) produce audible result? |
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| 15:30.26 | mc__ | cahoot, ill try that |
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| 15:30.46 | cheal | teknomega: that's what you call prism54? |
| 15:30.52 | mc__ | cahoot, how is tha aplay package named? |
| 15:30.54 | teknomega | nope |
| 15:31.00 | teknomega | they changed the CHIPSET OMFG |
| 15:31.16 | cahoot | mc__: presumes alsa - alsa-util/tools |
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| 15:32.46 | mc__ | cahoot, what should aplay do? |
| 15:33.06 | Yudha_HT | mc__ : try `alsaconfig` |
| 15:33.08 | cahoot | mc__: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*wav |
| 15:33.39 | vorsprung | seen SlayerXP |
| 15:34.14 | stew | teknomega: i don't know for sure, but i believe you would want a newer kernel for ralink, and you'll definately need a non-free firmware blob in /lib/firmware |
| 15:34.22 | stew | !ralink |
| 15:34.23 | dpkg | Ralink make WLAN chipsets (For list of products: http://ralink.rapla.net/ ). Ralink are notable for releasing software interface specs for the RT2500 54g, released GPL driver and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Driver should be in deb kernel 2.6 around Nov 2005. Ralink driver project: http://rt2400.sf.net/ |
| 15:34.46 | cheal | stew: there's no blob needed for RT2500 |
| 15:35.01 | stew | oh, "do NOT require a (non-free) firmware" |
| 15:35.10 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: pong |
| 15:35.12 | madclicker | has anyone tried blocking access to internal computers from gotomypc.com? |
| 15:35.34 | awink | RT 4500 |
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| 15:35.41 | DJGummikuh | hey folks |
| 15:35.58 | DJGummikuh | I am VERY new to debian (I'm using gentoo most of the times) and have a question regarding kernel update |
| 15:36.13 | DJGummikuh | I just downloaded the smp kernel image using aptitude... how do I tell debian to use it? |
| 15:36.26 | mc__ | !tell DJGummikuh about guidelines |
| 15:36.31 | marco13185 | Forwarding X11 with sshd means that when a client connects, they can use X? |
| 15:36.34 | DJGummikuh | is there any system for that or do I have to do it by hand like in gentoo? |
| 15:36.43 | jair | guys I have at my company the port 22 open and I can send stuff and connect through ssh from inside to outside |
| 15:36.53 | cheal | DJGummikuh: you tell your bootloader to boot it, once it's installed |
| 15:36.56 | jair | but if I use nmap I can not see the port 22 open |
| 15:36.56 | quitte | DJGummikuh: it should already be in the grub menu after installing |
| 15:37.10 | DJGummikuh | quitte: oh aptitude does that already? cool :) |
| 15:37.12 | cahoot | and if lilo? |
| 15:37.19 | jair | it is probably a rule that can allow me to go out from the network but not incomming? |
| 15:37.38 | DJGummikuh | jair: they could reject icmp requests |
| 15:37.39 | quitte | cahoot: then switch to grub. but it might well be it takes care for that,too |
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| 15:37.48 | DJGummikuh | jair: that way you can connect but not scan the specific pc |
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| 15:37.52 | kspath | !update-grub |
| 15:37.52 | dpkg | from memory, update-grub is a magical Debian system for maintaining the grub menu automatically whenever kernel images are installed and removed (assuming they are built using make-kpkg as they should be). |
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| 15:38.05 | roadfish | is there a command-line operation to tell if a CDR has already been burned? |
| 15:38.20 | mc__ | cahoot, thank you very much alsaconf did the trick |
| 15:38.46 | DJGummikuh | err.. ok I downloaded an updated kernel image using aptitude and now the server froze.. very odd |
| 15:39.36 | lastnode | DJGummikuh, did it get as far as configuring grub etc? |
| 15:40.00 | DJGummikuh | I don't like lastnode yes I think so... it said *press enter to continue* what I did but then nothing else happened... |
| 15:40.15 | amee2k | is there a HTTP proxy that supports console logging to monitor clients? |
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| 15:40.17 | lastnode | DJGummikuh, freeze? you mean kernel panic? |
| 15:40.18 | DJGummikuh | I weren't able tos witch consoles, or even light up numlock |
| 15:40.33 | DJGummikuh | lastnode: no... freeze like simply stopping doing ANYTHING :) |
| 15:40.36 | DJGummikuh | no error, no nothing |
| 15:40.46 | lastnode | DJGummikuh, fixed itself on reboot? |
| 15:40.52 | DJGummikuh | lastnode: still rebooting :) |
| 15:40.57 | lastnode | DJGummikuh, i see |
| 15:41.14 | DJGummikuh | well I pressed reset on the pc and am looking forward to boot completion now |
| 15:41.28 | DJGummikuh | seems to work again |
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| 15:41.39 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:41.39 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:41.48 | MojoWork | anyone know what the location of the system wide psqlrc should be with the sarge postgresql packages? |
| 15:41.53 | Ryushin | Okay, I'm loosing my mind. I'm writing a simple bash script, and I have a while read line statement, I'm assigning a variable inside of it, but when it exits the while loop, the variable is no longer set outside of the loop. I'm very confused. |
| 15:42.05 | DJGummikuh | how can I check wether or not all my cpus are used by the kernel? |
| 15:42.15 | tarzeau | DJGummikuh: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:42.20 | tarzeau | DJGummikuh: or xosview |
| 15:42.44 | phaedrus_ | hello |
| 15:42.52 | DJGummikuh | wohooo :)) thanx |
| 15:43.05 | phaedrus_ | i have 1 gig free on my 5 gig hd that has debian installed on it |
| 15:43.27 | kspath | Ryushin: #bash ? |
| 15:43.27 | phaedrus_ | i was wondering if it is too late to turn that extra gig into another partition? |
| 15:43.31 | MojoWork | hmm..nevermind i guess |
| 15:43.51 | stew | Ryushin: /msg dpkg bash faq |
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| 15:45.10 | marco13185 | phaedrus_, you can resize the partition |
| 15:45.13 | marco13185 | and make a new one |
| 15:45.40 | phaedrus_ | resize the the one that has debian on it? and then create a new partition with the extra space? |
| 15:45.45 | marco13185 | ya |
| 15:45.49 | phaedrus_ | cool |
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| 15:46.02 | marco13185 | but debian will be kind of low on space ;) |
| 15:46.02 | phaedrus_ | how do i do it? |
| 15:46.05 | phaedrus_ | : ) |
| 15:46.29 | marco13185 | get a live cd that has parted, gparted, or qtparted (knoppix has it for sure) and do it from there |
| 15:46.43 | phaedrus_ | ok cool |
| 15:46.47 | phaedrus_ | knoppix it is |
| 15:47.03 | phaedrus_ | thank you |
| 15:47.07 | SlayerXP | [DarthVader]: no need, I was already |
| 15:47.23 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 15:47.23 | Ryushin | kspath: Yea, bash. Let me look at that faq. |
| 15:47.27 | Shadowcat | we should torture SlayerXP |
| 15:47.31 | Shadowcat | !torture SlayerXP |
| 15:47.34 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 15:47.41 | Shadowcat | !windowssmite SlayerXP |
| 15:47.45 | SlayerXP | Shadowcat: I hope that information was of use to you. |
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| 15:50.13 | cheal | dpkg: no, ralink is <reply> Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (For list of products: http://ralink.rapla.net/ ). Ralink are notable for releasing software interface specs and (more or less buggy) GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for rt2400 and rt2500. The Ralink driver project at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com is developing a very expected rt2x00 driver. |
| 15:50.13 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 15:50.36 | DJGummikuh | hey how do I install ut2004-dedicated under debian? is it in apt or do I have to fetch it manually? |
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| 15:52.01 | plasmoduck | how do I extract tar.bz2? |
| 15:52.04 | abrotman | there is no ut2004 in debian .. unless you can get whatever company writes it to opensource it |
| 15:52.07 | abrotman | plasmoduck: man tar |
| 15:52.22 | SlayerXP | plasmoduck: same was as a .gz file but "j" instead of "z" |
| 15:52.28 | SlayerXP | same way as |
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| 15:52.55 | DJGummikuh | plasmoduck: tar -xvjpf for example... -j is for bz2 |
| 15:52.55 | kspath | abrotman: They could write their own gaming/world engines and dev their own environments. |
| 15:52.57 | plasmoduck | $ tar -jxf mathetes-pipe-2.3.tar.bz2 |
| 15:52.57 | plasmoduck | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 15:53.28 | Ronin | is bzip installed? |
| 15:53.28 | abrotman | plasmoduck: install it |
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| 15:54.02 | plasmoduck | E: Couldn't find package bzip |
| 15:54.22 | lepton | bzip2 |
| 15:54.24 | abrotman | apt-cache search bzip |
| 15:54.27 | kspath | plasmoduck: apt-cache search bzip2 |
| 15:54.28 | Yudha_HT | plasmoduck, install bzip2 1st |
| 15:54.29 | abrotman | !tell plasmoduck about search |
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| 15:54.48 | abrotman | yay spoonfeeding |
| 15:54.59 | stew | i wonder why not just make tar depend on bzip2 |
| 15:55.06 | stew | i guess to keep the size of base down |
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| 15:55.20 | abrotman | stew: it's not required .. though i guess now that the packages files are bzipped .. it would be in base? |
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| 15:56.09 | blaa | hi all |
| 15:56.14 | stew | abrotman: i don't know if a repositories ever ONLY provide a .bz2 however |
| 15:56.14 | cheal | abrotman: Packages is also gziped |
| 15:56.26 | abrotman | stew: they may .. dunno |
| 15:56.32 | abrotman | of course .. pdiff makes it largely irrelevant |
| 15:56.36 | stew | yay |
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| 15:56.59 | blaa | my error --> debian:/home/blaa# gpg --keyserver keyring.linux.thai.net --recv 2D230C5F |
| 15:57.00 | blaa | gpg: requesting key 2D230C5F from hkp server keyring.linux.thai.net |
| 15:57.00 | blaa | ?: keyring.linux.thai.net: Host not found |
| 15:57.00 | blaa | gpgkeys: HKP fetch error: Success |
| 15:57.00 | blaa | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
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| 15:57.25 | abrotman | right .. i think that's fairly obvious |
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| 15:59.35 | VITIHO_ | Hey everyone, I have not really debian specific question, but still, maybe someone knows... |
| 15:59.45 | appelza | shoot |
| 15:59.53 | kspath | !bang VITIHO_ |
| 16:00.01 | VITIHO_ | If I want to connect two switches with two crossconnects, they should support STP or RSTP |
| 16:00.09 | VITIHO_ | both of them? |
| 16:00.13 | VITIHO_ | or just one? |
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| 16:00.20 | abrotman | someday .. freenode will have a #networking |
| 16:00.36 | kspath | abrotman: I doubt it. Someone would have to put up with it. |
| 16:00.37 | Ondrej | can anybody help me with setting up and installing a printer under debian please?? please |
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| 16:00.48 | VITIHO_ | oh... |
| 16:00.50 | VITIHO_ | stupid me... |
| 16:00.52 | VITIHO_ | sorry about that |
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| 16:01.08 | teknomega | WTF |
| 16:01.17 | d0uglas | every half hour or so my apache2 stalls up. I think this happened when i did an apt-get dist-upgrade without touching the sources.list to get packages upgraded that were kept back, not sure if that's the cause. Any tips? |
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| 16:01.26 | stew | !tell blaa about flood |
| 16:01.29 | stew | blaa: get it from subkeys.pgp.net |
| 16:01.29 | Ondrej | can anybody help me with setting up and installing a printer under debian please?? please |
| 16:01.34 | stoned | hahaha |
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| 16:01.41 | kspath | !tell Ondrej about cups |
| 16:01.46 | stoned | oh my god, stew, I just read that as tell blaa about 'food' |
| 16:01.47 | stoned | lol |
| 16:01.50 | teknomega | yeah cups is cool |
| 16:01.52 | stoned | man I'm hungry |
| 16:02.13 | teknomega | are you stoned |
| 16:02.15 | stew | munchies? |
| 16:02.22 | teknomega | lol |
| 16:02.32 | stoned | you know it |
| 16:02.34 | Ondrej | guys... :)please dos anybody know a website or something |
| 16:02.41 | stoned | Ondrej, linuxprinting |
| 16:02.50 | Ondrej | thanks |
| 16:02.58 | stoned | Ondrej, google it, I can't recall the domian |
| 16:03.18 | Ondrej | it was.org |
| 16:03.21 | stoned | thanks |
| 16:03.29 | Ondrej | thank you I found it |
| 16:03.45 | blaa | ok, thanks so much. I don't know. |
| 16:04.28 | lepton | d0uglas: "stalls up". hmm. check the logs when it is "stall"ing and see what they say. attach an 'strace -p' to one of the "stall"ed processes |
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| 16:05.12 | blaa | my error |
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| 16:05.23 | blaa | debian:/home/blaa# gpg --keyserver keyring.linux.thai.net --recv 2D230C5F |
| 16:05.35 | blaa | gpg: requesting key 2D230C5F from hkp server keyring.linux.thai.net |
| 16:05.48 | blaa | ?: keyring.linux.thai.net: Host not found |
| 16:05.55 | stew | blaa: get it from subkeys.pgp.net |
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| 16:05.57 | ABaer | Hi, can anyone help me with hostapd? I get the following errorlog: http://phpfi.com/119405 What could this be? |
| 16:05.58 | abrotman | blaa: can't you read errors? |
| 16:06.05 | abrotman | blaa: that server doesn't exist .. |
| 16:06.11 | abrotman | and stop pasting |
| 16:06.14 | teknomega | ABear i am trying the same thing |
| 16:06.21 | stew | blaa: you can just omit the --keyserver argument entirely |
| 16:06.41 | ABaer | teknomega: have you a solution :) ? |
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| 16:06.49 | teknomega | nope |
| 16:07.12 | teknomega | i can't even get my wireless card working |
| 16:07.14 | teknomega | don't know why yet |
| 16:07.44 | ABaer | hmm... the annoying thing is it already worked... and now i get this error |
| 16:07.58 | stew | teknomega: you might try a newer kernel, you can get 2.6.16 compiled for sarge from backports.org /msg dpkg backports ; http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 16:08.02 | ABaer | teknomega: does it work without hostapd? |
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| 16:09.22 | mc__ | how long do you think will it take till Xorg 7.1 is in sid? |
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| 16:11.01 | sepski | mc /msg dpkg wir |
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| 16:11.08 | stew | mc__: it will hopefully hit experimental in the next week or so and figure sid in a maybe a week after that? nobody knows for sure, of course |
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| 16:11.36 | mc__ | stew, thanks |
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| 16:19.15 | HelmutG | Hi. Can someone help me debug firefox from unstable? After changing some configuration options and restarting it it doesn't start anymore. Even moving .mozilla out of the way and running it with -safe-mode does not cure the problem. firefox seems to enter some kind of event loop before drawing the window. I did not recently (within 48h) upgrade. Any suggestions? |
| 16:19.56 | HelmutG | Please do not tell me to go to #firefox on irc.mozilla.org as they sent me here. :-) |
| 16:20.03 | pbryan | HelmutG: When running firefox from terminal window, any interesting output? |
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| 16:20.18 | HelmutG | pbryan: nothing, can I somehow enable debug output? |
| 16:20.41 | pbryan | Try firefox --g-fatal-warnings |
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| 16:21.02 | Buchannon | what is the command to view all the processes running again? |
| 16:21.04 | HelmutG | pbryan: nothing. |
| 16:21.07 | kspath | ps |
| 16:21.12 | cheal | HelmutG: try with a new user. I don't see where Firefox-specific configuration could be out of ~/.mozilla, but anyway |
| 16:21.13 | kspath | Buchannon: man ps |
| 16:21.18 | kspath | Buchannon: man top |
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| 16:21.24 | HelmutG | cheal: ok. |
| 16:21.24 | pbryan | HelmutG: Hmm. Try strace firefox? |
| 16:21.24 | Buchannon | kspath: thanks |
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| 16:22.27 | pbryan | HelmutG: And what cheal said. |
| 16:23.02 | blaa | stew, thanks a lot. |
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| 16:24.43 | HelmutG | cheal: I tried and firefox shows the same behavious (it worked about 10 minutes ago(!)). |
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| 16:25.14 | HelmutG | pbryan: strace shows a lot especially does it show firefox enters an event loop handling keyboard modifiers and mouse clicks. |
| 16:25.18 | b0r3d | hi. why does dpkg -l cut the packages name? |
| 16:25.27 | HelmutG | b0r3d: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 16:25.48 | pbryan | HelmutG: So it's looping for keyboard IO but not displaying a window on screen? |
| 16:26.00 | HelmutG | pbryan: exactly |
| 16:26.13 | pbryan | HelmutG: Oh how strange |
| 16:26.23 | pbryan | HelmutG: Time to upgrade? |
| 16:26.25 | HelmutG | pbryan: I should say there is no visible window as we know there can be hidden windows in X. |
| 16:26.44 | pbryan | HelmutG: What dist are you using? |
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| 16:27.05 | HelmutG | pbryan: unstable/amd64 |
| 16:27.05 | blaa | bye all |
| 16:27.11 | pbryan | HelmutG: Oh, that's interesting. |
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| 16:27.20 | HelmutG | pbryan: uhhhhmmm. Wait. |
| 16:27.27 | pbryan | HelmutG: /me wonders if it has anything to do with 64-bit binaries. |
| 16:27.45 | pbryan | HelmutG: Do you have any plugins installed? |
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| 16:28.10 | cahoot | HelmutG: checked the console from which you started X? |
| 16:28.14 | HelmutG | pbryan: grrrmpf. I just found out that fluxbox is able to stick applications to certain desktops. |
| 16:28.26 | pbryan | HelmutG: Ah, so it's on another desktop. |
| 16:28.28 | HelmutG | pbryan, cheal: sorry for taking your time. :-/ |
| 16:28.33 | pbryan | HelmutG: NP. |
| 16:28.48 | pbryan | HelmutG: I only come here to spend time anyway. ;-) |
| 16:29.37 | HelmutG | Is there a dfsg-compatible swf implementation that does not crash firefox all the time? |
| 16:29.53 | HelmutG | (incomplete, but stable ones are welcome ;-) |
| 16:30.12 | cheal | HelmutG: unlikely, unless gnash qualifies |
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| 16:30.38 | pbryan | HelmutG: None that are stable, AFAIK. |
| 16:30.41 | HelmutG | cheal: So libflash-mozplugin is known to be extremly unstable? |
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| 16:31.34 | pbryan | HelmutG: You mean libflash0c2? |
| 16:31.41 | dm | Hello, this is my first visit here (and irc). I need some help with a not killable process on Debian Sarge (2.6.8). |
| 16:31.54 | pbryan | dm: What process? |
| 16:31.59 | dm | cp |
| 16:32.07 | pbryan | dm: kill -9 cp |
| 16:32.11 | pbryan | dm: Does that kill it? |
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| 16:32.18 | dm | I mounted an NTFS partition ... |
| 16:32.21 | pbryan | s/cp/procid for cp/ |
| 16:32.23 | dm | No that did not help |
| 16:32.34 | cheal | HelmutG: I didn't try since a long time, but looking at the BTS, they still seem unstable. I wouldn't say necessarily *extremely* unstable |
| 16:32.37 | bronze | one two three four |
| 16:32.38 | StyXman | hi all. where can I discover which network interfaces (the `virtual ones´, like eth*, lo, etc) are available? dmesg reports a eth2, but when I try to ifconfig eth2 up, it says the device does not exist |
| 16:32.53 | Irrumator | dm: try killall -9 cp |
| 16:32.59 | pbryan | StyXman: ifconfig -a |
| 16:33.06 | HelmutG | pbryan: I think so. |
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| 16:33.25 | StyXman | pbryan: tx |
| 16:33.29 | pbryan | HelmutG: Haven't tried it lately. |
| 16:33.34 | dm | That would kill ALL cp processes? |
| 16:33.39 | frank234 | hi, somebody can explain me how to install eagle-usb driver in debian sarge 3.1 ? |
| 16:33.41 | pbryan | dm: Indeed. |
| 16:33.56 | Irrumator | Yes, you could alternatively look at the process list and see which cp you need to kill. |
| 16:33.56 | HelmutG | cheal: my interpretation of extremly unstable is crashing with sites that are a bit "trustworthy" like large companies. |
| 16:33.58 | StyXman | any ideas why one iface is called eth2_temp? |
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| 16:33.59 | Irrumator | man ps |
| 16:34.17 | HelmutG | cheal: i.e. not intentionally malcious exploits. |
| 16:34.22 | dm | pbryan: Sounds not so good. Why is it better than kill -9 <pid>? |
| 16:34.34 | cheal | HelmutG: oh, I expect it to be extremely unstable then |
| 16:34.34 | pbryan | StyXman: No idea. |
| 16:34.44 | pbryan | dm: It's not. I wouldn't suggest it. |
| 16:34.54 | Irrumator | It isn't better |
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| 16:35.18 | pbryan | Irrumator: It depends if there are other cp processes you don't want to kill. |
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| 16:35.30 | Irrumator | ... took the words out of my mouth. |
| 16:35.34 | Irrumator | Or, keyboard, rather. |
| 16:35.40 | pbryan | Irrumator: Heh. |
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| 16:35.55 | appelza | How do I get one .deb to include another .deb ? Like, when I install foo.deb it should install bar.deb after; is that a control file thing |
| 16:36.13 | pbryan | appelza: Yes, it's a dependency in the control file. |
| 16:36.14 | SerajewelKS | appelza: that's called a dependency |
| 16:36.30 | frank234 | hi, somebody can explain me how to install eagle-usb driver in debian sarge 3.1 ? |
| 16:36.33 | appelza | Thanks :> |
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| 16:36.51 | SerajewelKS | appelza: generally you do not have control over the order the packages are installed in, unless you categorize it as a pre-install dependency, then bar would have to be installed first |
| 16:36.56 | pbryan | frank234: I don't think there is an eagle-usb driver in Sarge, is there? |
| 16:37.34 | pbryan | frank234: Ah, the source. |
| 16:37.36 | frank234 | it's not in i downloaded thy eagle-usb from the site but the way it tells to install the ware don't work for me |
| 16:37.36 | appelza | so just to be clear, exim4-daemon-light is a dependency of exim4-base for example? |
| 16:37.53 | SerajewelKS | appelza: check 'apt-cache show exim4-base' |
| 16:38.03 | pbryan | frank234: Do you have eagle-usb-modules-source package installed? |
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| 16:38.12 | frank234 | yes |
| 16:38.16 | SerajewelKS | appelza: according to the control file displayed over here, no it is not |
| 16:38.19 | frank234 | but if i do make |
| 16:38.22 | frank234 | it says error |
| 16:38.42 | appelza | ok |
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| 16:38.45 | appelza | thanks alot |
| 16:38.45 | appelza | :D |
| 16:38.51 | pbryan | frank234: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 16:38.52 | SerajewelKS | appelza: but exim4-base is a dependency of exim4-daemon-light |
| 16:39.06 | frank234 | modeule assistant is isntalled |
| 16:39.07 | appelza | gotit. :) |
| 16:39.17 | DaBlade | Hey, does Debian have any NTP servers? |
| 16:39.34 | dm | I tried to copy all files from an NTFS partition to an ext3 yesterday: cp -a /mnt/ntfs/* /mnt/ext3/ -- 30 of the 38 GB were copied in the estimated time. Then the process was markes as state DN in ps, the system load is 1.00 1.00 1.00 since then. |
| 16:39.34 | SerajewelKS | appelza: another way of saying this is that exim4-daemon-light depends on exim4-base, that is, they must be install at the same time -- but not necessarily one before the other. |
| 16:39.54 | SerajewelKS | appelza: a dependency says that "this package needs this package to work, but not to install itself" |
| 16:39.56 | pbryan | frank234: module-assistant helps build modules from source packages such as eagle-usb-source, and goes and fetches all of the compile-time dependencies needed to build them. |
| 16:40.02 | DaBlade | Hello? :) |
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| 16:40.12 | SerajewelKS | DaBlade: hi |
| 16:40.18 | DaBlade | Hi. |
| 16:40.19 | frank234 | i know but it prints many errors in the process |
| 16:40.23 | pbryan | DaBlade: not that I know of, pool.ntp.org is the definitive NTP source. |
| 16:40.25 | dm | The cp process was child of a screen screen, which I closed. That didnt help. |
| 16:40.31 | DaBlade | pbryan: Okay. |
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| 16:40.42 | frank234 | there's a precompiled version of eagle-usb ? |
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| 16:40.46 | dm | now the cp is direct child of init (in pstree) |
| 16:40.54 | pbryan | frank234: not that I know of. |
| 16:41.01 | SerajewelKS | appelza: at least i think so, let me check the debian policy |
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| 16:41.18 | pbryan | frank234: Or at least not one that I would trust to use with a Debian kernel. |
| 16:41.37 | pbryan | frank234: If it doesn't come bundled with the kernel, you're best using m-a. |
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| 16:41.57 | frank234 | mmmm eagle-usb needs kernel headers to compile ? |
| 16:42.03 | SerajewelKS | appelza: okay, depends means the other package must be installed first, but not configured. Pre-Depends specifies packages that must be installed and configured before this package can be installed at all. |
| 16:42.08 | pbryan | frank234: Indeed, all modules need kernel headers. |
| 16:42.30 | pbryan | frank234: (or kernel source) |
| 16:42.39 | appelza | thanks, can you give me the url to that page please? |
| 16:42.46 | frank234 | mmmm it may lacks these |
| 16:42.48 | appelza | quickly save it for offline reading, going home now :/ |
| 16:42.56 | frank234 | i can pick 'em at kernel.org ? |
| 16:42.56 | SerajewelKS | appelza: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s3.5 |
| 16:43.14 | pbryan | frank234: apt-get install linux-headers-version-arch... |
| 16:43.19 | pbryan | frank234: What kernel are you using? |
| 16:43.20 | appelza | Thanks ALOT :) |
| 16:43.23 | SerajewelKS | appelza: np |
| 16:43.24 | frank234 | no internet connection |
| 16:43.31 | pbryan | frank234: You're talking with me. ;-) |
| 16:43.33 | frank234 | avaiblae on the machine (the drivers are needed9 |
| 16:43.37 | pbryan | frank234: Another box... |
| 16:43.38 | frank234 | for modem |
| 16:43.40 | stew | appelza: the debian policy manual is apt-get install debian-policy |
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| 16:43.44 | SerajewelKS | !tell frank234 about enter |
| 16:43.45 | frank234 | not available |
| 16:44.04 | frank234 | SerajewelKS> wozzup ? |
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| 16:44.08 | Buchannon | If I entered a wrong command or something and all I am getting for blank lines, how would I quit out of it to get back to the prompt? |
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| 16:44.23 | SerajewelKS | frank234: did you read dpkg's message to you? |
| 16:44.34 | stew | Buchannon: ctrl-c? |
| 16:44.44 | frank234 | ah ok sorry |
| 16:44.49 | Buchannon | stew: thanks ~! |
| 16:44.57 | pbryan | frank234: You're going to need to somehow get the kernel headers to compile the module. |
| 16:45.28 | teknomega | hmm |
| 16:45.51 | teknomega | rt2500 sucks |
| 16:45.52 | frank234 | if i do download the pack then i just need to unpack it somewhere and launch make for eagle-uisb right ? |
| 16:45.52 | pbryan | frank234: dpkg --install packagename |
| 16:45.53 | stew | no |
| 16:45.56 | pbryan | frank234: Go with Debian headers package for your kernel. |
| 16:46.40 | dm | An idea anyone how to kill that cp process if kill -9 doesnt help (and I dont want use killall -9 cp)? |
| 16:46.41 | pbryan | frank234: You won't get any love if you just extract the headers from a kernel source package from kernel.org. Likely you'll have mismatches. |
| 16:46.47 | HazyNRG | hi, what have i to do to change a node's permissions? |
| 16:46.48 | stew | !m-a frank234 eagle-usb-modules |
| 16:46.48 | dpkg | frank234: to compile and install eagle-usb-modules for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i eagle-usb-modules && modprobe eagle-usb-modules ; if this works echo eagle-usb-modules >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
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| 16:47.10 | stew | HazyNRG: what exactly do you mean by "node"? |
| 16:47.32 | pbryan | stew: Nice. |
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| 16:48.05 | HazyNRG | a device (in /dev) like a parallel port or a serial port |
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| 16:48.21 | stew | HazyNRG: do you have the udev package installed? |
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| 16:48.44 | frank234 | ok, now since just a question: since my debian box does not see neither sound card neither printer neither webcam neither scanner neither my windows ntfs partition... i would have to repeat thy steps used for the modem for alla there peripherals ? |
| 16:48.44 | SerajewelKS | is there some quick utility to see a diff between arbitrary versions of the debian policy? qa says i need to update my package, but i don't know if anything relevant has changed, so i might just need to update the control file. |
| 16:48.47 | HazyNRG | sry, brb |
| 16:49.01 | SerajewelKS | frank234: the windows partition can be mounted with one command |
| 16:49.14 | stew | frank234: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:49.14 | SerajewelKS | frank234: if it's NTFS you will not be able to write to it though (or you can if you like taking risks) |
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| 16:49.22 | aan42 | DFSAX |
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| 16:50.36 | SerajewelKS | frank234: sound card may be a case of installing and configuring ALSA, though i *think* this requires a 2.6-series kernel (or at least it's recommended) |
| 16:50.38 | frank234 | at the modem it refuses to write on fat32 too... whereas read works on ... thy ntfs partition is practically INVISIBLE to me |
| 16:50.53 | frank234 | my kernel is 2.6.8 |
| 16:51.05 | frank234 | but no way to get sound outta |
| 16:51.13 | stew | frank234: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:51.15 | pbryan | frank234: uname -r output would be nice. What architecture? |
| 16:51.34 | dm | I found killall's option -i so I could control which process to stop ... killall didnt help |
| 16:51.43 | stew | something tells me he doesn't have an nfts partition on arm |
| 16:51.52 | dm | system load keep 1.00 1.00 1.00 |
| 16:51.57 | pbryan | stew: NSLU2 with external HD? |
| 16:52.05 | frank234 | stew i'm under windows now no way to stest debian commands atm, i can just note it then reboot and try, it would be much simpler if i'can get at least internet connection working |
| 16:52.20 | stew | frank234: for sound /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 16:52.32 | aan42 | i WANT ALL INFORMATION ABOUT Debian GNU/Linux.. |
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| 16:52.40 | stew | frank234: why don't you have a network connection? does your ether net rely on that usb driver? |
| 16:52.41 | GNUboy | hi |
| 16:52.43 | pbryan | dm: cp is probably blocking on device I/O. |
| 16:52.53 | dm | pbryan: ??? |
| 16:52.54 | frank234 | i got a usb modem only to conncect |
| 16:53.09 | teknomega | hey |
| 16:53.16 | pbryan | dm: Were you cp'ing to/from an external device |
| 16:53.16 | teknomega | HOW THE F do i get the kernel-headers for kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 16:53.21 | Ronin | aan42: www.debian.org |
| 16:53.32 | dm | pbryan: From /mnt/ntfs to /mnt/ext3 |
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| 16:53.46 | pbryan | dm: And both are internal drives? |
| 16:53.48 | stew | teknomega: 2.6.8-2 is obsolete due to security problems, upgrade to 2.6.8-3 and install those headers. |
| 16:53.49 | HazyNRG | ok |
| 16:53.50 | GNUboy | teknomega, install the header package |
| 16:53.52 | stew | teknomega: what cpu do you have? |
| 16:54.23 | frank234 | sorry boys i know i'm quite boring and silly but i'm quite novice to debian (and linux too) |
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| 16:54.26 | dm | pbryan: Yes, both internal. I can read from both partitions with dd (didnt test all drive) |
| 16:54.27 | teknomega | stew |
| 16:54.31 | stew | teknomega |
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| 16:54.45 | teknomega | 2.6.8-3 doesn't exist in my apt-cache |
| 16:54.48 | pbryan | dm: When I get in such situations, I tend to reboot. :-| |
| 16:54.54 | stew | teknomega: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:55.02 | dm | pbryan: dmesg doesnt show any device errors |
| 16:55.12 | teknomega | its an amd-k6 III cpu 500mhz |
| 16:55.24 | HazyNRG | stew: yes, i've udev |
| 16:55.34 | stew | HazyNRG: edit /etc/udev/permissions.conf |
| 16:55.40 | teknomega | stew how do i tell.. i always do a net install |
| 16:55.42 | pbryan | dm: Hmm. I can't imagine why it would refuse a SIGKILL. |
| 16:55.43 | GNUboy | teknomega, make a apt-setup and select some url's from the list there are the latest packages for your distro |
| 16:55.44 | dm | pbryan: not a good idea :-( |
| 16:55.55 | HazyNRG | stew: thanks :) |
| 16:55.56 | GNUboy | then make a "apt-get update " |
| 16:55.57 | stew | teknomega: put the output of "apt-cache policy" into a pastebin |
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| 16:56.19 | pbryan | dm: Can you umount both /mnt points? |
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| 16:56.40 | dm | pbryan: top shows me 99% wa, which stands for "waiting"? |
| 16:56.48 | pbryan | dm: Yes, I/O waiting. |
| 16:56.54 | teknomega | stew http://pastebin.com/733258 |
| 16:56.58 | dm | pbryan: umount ntfs shows "in use" |
| 16:57.22 | dm | i cant unmount the ext3 now |
| 16:57.25 | pbryan | dm: umount -f |
| 16:57.26 | stew | dm: run "vmstat 1", ignore the first 3 lines, which of the so,si,bo,bi columns are consistently large? |
| 16:57.27 | teknomega | $nick |
| 16:57.31 | HazyNRG | stew: it's a new file, is it normal? |
| 16:57.48 | caca | I want toonow all about Debian Linuk |
| 16:57.50 | teknoprep | yeah i am now known as teknoprep stew |
| 16:57.58 | stew | HazyNRG: maybe, look ad /etc/udev/020permissions.conf or something |
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| 16:58.26 | stew | teknoprep: apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 16:58.35 | GNUboy | Can tell me somebody when is the next debian release the etch ? |
| 16:58.45 | stew | GNUboy: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 16:58.46 | teknoprep | stew linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 16:58.53 | teknoprep | sound good? |
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| 16:59.09 | HazyNRG | hmm |
| 16:59.14 | stew | teknoprep: no, you have a k6 not a k7, use the -486 kernel |
| 16:59.24 | teknoprep | ok |
| 16:59.32 | HazyNRG | stew: i've permissions.rules |
| 16:59.39 | stew | HazyNRG: oh that's what i meant |
| 16:59.40 | stew | frank234: please keep it in the channel. |
| 16:59.40 | dm | stew: "bo" is high |
| 16:59.49 | HazyNRG | ok :) |
| 16:59.59 | b-_-d | after much reading a building app from src i got debian to mostly work |
| 17:00.01 | stew | dm: that generally means you are writing tons of stuff to disk which is what is making your computer slow |
| 17:00.02 | caca | hai anybody els.... |
| 17:00.08 | frank234 | tell me if this should work: 1. i download http://baud123.free.fr/eagle-usb/eagle-usb-2.3/eagle-usb-2.3.3.tar.bz2 |
| 17:00.11 | Teolupus | Hi! I was looking for something similar to CARP (from openBSD) to Linux. I read something about LVS, but it seems to need a dedicated machine to direct the connection requests... I wonder if there is something like carp where you simple pull up 2 machines with same virtual ip address and get load balance + high availability. |
| 17:00.17 | teknoprep | stew this is my firewall... so i will be down and out after this.. Thanx for the help |
| 17:00.18 | frank234 | then unpack then call modules-assistant |
| 17:00.26 | b-_-d | but i can not get Foomatic working |
| 17:00.28 | stew | frank234: why are you getting a .tar.gz instead of using the eagle-usb-module-source package? |
| 17:00.34 | Gnea | caca: you mean 'Debian Linux'? |
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| 17:00.54 | b-_-d | is the Foomatic in unstable working? |
| 17:01.04 | stew | teknoprep: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: ? |
| 17:01.06 | Gnea | b-_-d: yes |
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| 17:01.10 | b-_-d | rebuilt from src same thing |
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| 17:01.16 | b0r3d | anyone installed ratbox on sarge in here? |
| 17:01.21 | teknoprep | stew one minute... i don't work directly on it.. waiting for apt-get to finish |
| 17:01.24 | Gnea | b-_-d: what printer do you have? |
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| 17:01.33 | b-_-d | samsung |
| 17:01.40 | Gnea | samsung what?> |
| 17:01.46 | frank234 | i'm here https://gna.org/projects/eagleusb |
| 17:01.47 | b-_-d | the printer works on my gentoo box |
| 17:01.50 | GNUboy | sos |
| 17:02.00 | b-_-d | ml-2010 |
| 17:02.08 | dm | pbryan: umount -f -> device is busy |
| 17:02.08 | Gnea | i can't help you if you don't provide more specific information |
| 17:02.09 | Gnea | ok |
| 17:02.27 | Gnea | b-_-d: have you visited linuxprinting.org? |
| 17:02.31 | pbryan | dm: I'm out of ideas. stew might have a few... |
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| 17:02.34 | teknoprep | stew Installed: 2.3.6-7 |
| 17:02.43 | stew | ok |
| 17:02.45 | Tartarus | hello all, stupid amd64 question. Where is 'setarch' ? |
| 17:02.46 | b-_-d | yes i ues the same drive on other box |
| 17:02.58 | Gnea | forget about gentoo for now |
| 17:03.08 | dm | stew: any idea? what does "bo" mean? |
| 17:03.12 | kspath | !tell Tartarus about amd64 |
| 17:03.17 | HazyNRG | stew: and.. can you tell me what's the device for parallel port 1 plz? |
| 17:03.28 | teknoprep | stew i am now... apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-486 |
| 17:03.34 | pbryan | dm: bo = blocks out |
| 17:03.36 | b-_-d | it say foomatic-db is not propley installed |
| 17:03.37 | Tartarus | ok, i'll go ask there, thanks :) |
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| 17:03.47 | stew | dm: data being sent to block devices (read; hard drives) |
| 17:03.58 | Gnea | and what packages did you install, exactly? |
| 17:04.09 | b-_-d | properly* |
| 17:04.09 | stew | dm: your machine is writing lots of data to disk for some reason, this is why you have a high wait% |
| 17:04.26 | teknoprep | wonder if HOSTAP works with non prism54 stuff |
| 17:04.32 | stew | HazyNRG: /dev/lp0 |
| 17:04.48 | teknoprep | later all |
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| 17:05.14 | b-_-d | kspath what about amd64? only seems to work in unstable |
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| 17:05.52 | dm | I started this "cp -a /mnt/ntfs/* /mnt/ext3" (38 GB) yesterday. It stopped writing after 30 GB. Now cp is state DN (ps) |
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| 17:06.01 | Gnea | b-_-d: i'm trying to help you, why are you detracting? |
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| 17:06.44 | Gnea | b-_-d: are you on an amd64 box? |
| 17:06.50 | b-_-d | yes |
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| 17:07.07 | b-_-d | did you need to know that? |
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| 17:07.21 | Nykheyn | !start an os war |
| 17:07.22 | dpkg | ITS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 17:07.30 | Nykheyn | !start an os war |
| 17:07.33 | Gnea | b-_-d: yes, because we support x86 here, and amd64 is another thread |
| 17:07.35 | stew | dm: anything nasty looking showing up about your filesystems in /var/log/syslog or dmesg? |
| 17:07.35 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 17:07.35 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 17:07.43 | Gnea | b-_-d: check this out: http://base0.net/archives/32-Getting-a-Samsung-ML-2010-to-work-in-Debian-Linux-amd64x86_64.html |
| 17:07.52 | b-_-d | Linux debian 2.6.15-1-amd64-generic #2 Mon Mar 20 10:43:41 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:08.02 | dm | stew: Can I see if there are ozher processes writing that much data? |
| 17:08.25 | stew | dm: not afaik |
| 17:08.30 | Gnea | b-_-d: please check that url and read what dpkg just said. |
| 17:08.32 | b0r3d | how to extract a .tar file? |
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| 17:08.36 | b-_-d | Gnea i am sorry i did not know |
| 17:08.40 | Gnea | tar xvf file.tar |
| 17:08.48 | b0r3d | aight |
| 17:08.53 | Gnea | b-_-d: that's fine, now you know :) |
| 17:08.53 | dm | b0r3d: tar -x |
| 17:08.54 | stew | dm: you could look for other processes in the D state but its not definitive |
| 17:09.36 | kspath | man tar ? |
| 17:09.49 | dm | stew: There's no other D process. |
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| 17:10.41 | SmerdyOffice | How do I get the lighttpd package not to start the daemon at boot time? I tried update-rc.d, but it came back again after an upgrade. |
| 17:11.10 | valdyn | SmerdyOffice: as it should. (re)move the initscript |
| 17:11.19 | Gnea | SmerdyOffice: how did you run update-rc.d? |
| 17:11.29 | SmerdyOffice | valdyn, in /etc/init.d? |
| 17:11.35 | valdyn | SmerdyOffice: yes |
| 17:11.40 | Gnea | valdyn: that is not right. |
| 17:11.45 | Gnea | he probably didn't use -f |
| 17:11.48 | valdyn | Gnea: what isnt right? |
| 17:11.51 | SmerdyOffice | Gnea, update-rc.d lighttpd remove |
| 17:11.55 | kspath | dm vmstat? iostat? ps(PPID)? strace? netstat? fuser? lsof? |
| 17:11.57 | lastnode | in which package is the en_US.utf8 locale? |
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| 17:12.07 | Gnea | SmerdyOffice: you forgot -f: update-rc.d -f lighttpd remove |
| 17:12.08 | SmerdyOffice | Gnea, update-rc.d -f lighttpd remove, actually |
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| 17:12.37 | valdyn | SmerdyOffice: update-rc.d adjusts symlinks, those symlinks get (re) installed each time the package get re(instaled) or upgraded |
| 17:12.53 | Gnea | SmerdyOffice: if you reinstalled it or upgraded, then you need to run it again |
| 17:13.05 | SmerdyOffice | I was hoping for some /etc/default business. |
| 17:13.17 | SmerdyOffice | Gnea, there is no way to do this that survives upgrades? |
| 17:13.21 | valdyn | SmerdyOffice: ehe, etc/default has some entirely different purpose |
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| 17:13.32 | Gnea | SmerdyOffice: remove the package |
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| 17:13.55 | valdyn | SmerdyOffice: you re(move) the initscript, that WILL survive upgrades |
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| 17:14.14 | SmerdyOffice | valdyn, Gnea doesn't think so, but let's see. :) |
| 17:14.28 | dm | kspath: vmstat: high "bo", iostat: cmd not found, ps waux: root 24704 0.5 1.1 13408 12072 ? DN May22 7:16 cp -a /mnt/... |
| 17:14.34 | stoned | http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/index-e.html <-- cool illusion |
| 17:14.44 | Gnea | SmerdyOffice: removing the initscript will work too, but that's just how debian works |
| 17:14.51 | valdyn | SmerdyOffice: he didnt say anything about disagreeing, anyway an initscript is usually a config file and can be treated as such |
| 17:14.55 | kspath | lastnode: dm I was not asking for output. I was suggesting tools that might help. |
| 17:15.02 | dm | kspath: The 7:16 doesnt increase since yesterday |
| 17:15.04 | kspath | dm: I was not asking for output. I was suggesting tools that might help. |
| 17:15.09 | kspath | lastnode: sorry |
| 17:15.11 | lastnode | kspath, ? |
| 17:15.13 | lastnode | oh ok :) |
| 17:15.19 | SmerdyOffice | OK, thanks! |
| 17:15.33 | valdyn | !config file |
| 17:15.52 | dm | kspath: sorry |
| 17:15.54 | kspath | dm: sysstat - sar, iostat and mpstat - system performance tools for Linux |
| 17:15.54 | jkogut | exit |
| 17:16.03 | Gnea | heh, even if he removes it, an upgrade would still replace it :) |
| 17:16.11 | kspath | dm: apt-cache search iostat |
| 17:16.18 | dm | kspath: which could help killing that process? |
| 17:16.21 | valdyn | !dpkg, config file is a special file in a debian package. Changes/deletions will be respected by the package management. |
| 17:16.21 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 17:16.24 | valdyn | Gnea: no |
| 17:16.26 | Gnea | or it would crash with an error on the package |
| 17:16.39 | valdyn | Gnea: sometimes, that would be a bug |
| 17:16.48 | Gnea | valdyn: true |
| 17:16.52 | kspath | dm: kill is what I normally use to kill processes. |
| 17:17.03 | dm | kspath: kill -9 doesnt help |
| 17:17.34 | valdyn | ops, hell |
| 17:17.36 | madclicker | what are the benefits of installing debian on LVM type of partitions? |
| 17:17.38 | valdyn | dpkg, config file is a special file in a debian package. Changes/deletions will be respected by the package management. |
| 17:17.39 | dpkg | valdyn: i already had it that way |
| 17:17.44 | valdyn | dpkg: yay |
| 17:17.45 | dpkg | yay! |
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| 17:18.15 | valdyn | madclicker: at least zero |
| 17:18.28 | valdyn | madclicker: lvm does not necessarily have a benefit at all |
| 17:18.32 | lastnode | in which package is the en_US.utf8 locale? |
| 17:19.03 | dm | kspath: The process runs as root, could that be a problem? |
| 17:19.05 | Buchannon | I just installed ruby on rails on my debian server, I get it all running with script/server, but when I try to do anything with it, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/733302 |
| 17:19.13 | kspath | dm: Did you determine what the PPID is of the PID you want to kill? |
| 17:19.21 | valdyn | madclicker: maybe tell what you are trying to do. |
| 17:19.21 | madclicker | valdyn, " Storage volumes created under the control of the logical volume manager can be resized and moved around almost at will, although this may need some upgrading of file system tools." |
| 17:19.26 | kspath | dm: I do not know. Is that a problem? |
| 17:19.28 | Gnea | lastnode: you mean en_US.UTF-8? |
| 17:19.35 | lastnode | Gnea, yes please |
| 17:19.44 | valdyn | madclicker: those tools may not even exist for your filesystem |
| 17:19.55 | b-_-d | wow you guys use nice build flags :) |
| 17:20.05 | valdyn | madclicker: and a large part of this is possible with standard dos partitions too |
| 17:20.11 | madclicker | valdyn, i am installing a imap server and during the instalation I have two options LVM and no-LVM |
| 17:20.26 | madclicker | valdyn, ext3 |
| 17:20.27 | dm | kspath: Yes. I tried "kill -9 <pid>", "kill -f -9 <pid>" and "killall -i -9 cp" several times. |
| 17:20.45 | Gnea | lastnode: should be util-linux-locales |
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| 17:20.47 | valdyn | madclicker: lvm wont be wrong as long as you do not need to access the partitions from different OSes than linux |
| 17:20.48 | kspath | dm: Did you determine what the PPID is of the PID you want to kill? |
| 17:20.54 | Gnea | lastnode: or just locales |
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| 17:21.07 | dm | kspath: Yes. I tried "kill -9 <pid>", "kill -f -9 <pid>" and "killall -i -9 cp" several times. |
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| 17:21.08 | welp | ok, i have a problem: "The installer was unable to detect MySQL support in PHP. Please ask your host to ensure that PHP was compiled with MySQL, or that the proper extension is being loaded." I've installed mysql, php4, php4-mysql, and it's still there |
| 17:21.29 | repp | dm: the process is likely hanging on an IO device. The process will not be killed until the kernel gives up on the device. |
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| 17:21.44 | Gnea | welp: what branch of debian? |
| 17:21.51 | madclicker | valdyn, kool, its a standalone system, so no i wont need to access, but if i do SMB i guess |
| 17:21.53 | dm | repp: umount -> device busy |
| 17:22.06 | kspath | dm: You are using <pid> rather than answering the question. Am I supposed to assume the <pid> in your response was the PPID of the process that concerns you? |
| 17:22.13 | welp | Gnea, erm.. how can i check? :P |
| 17:22.17 | lastnode | Gnea, etch |
| 17:22.22 | Gnea | welp: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:22.35 | dm | kspath: Yes, it's 24704 actualliy |
| 17:22.35 | welp | Gnea, ok |
| 17:22.40 | Gnea | lastnode: should be either or, probably just locales |
| 17:22.41 | valdyn | madclicker: lvm permits some funny things, like creating a 'partition' ( lvm terminology is different but for your needs and purposes its still a partition ), that consists of non-adjecent parts of your disk |
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| 17:22.54 | kspath | dm: What is "it" ? |
| 17:22.57 | pbryan | repp: Any idea how to release device? |
| 17:23.04 | lastnode | Gnea, either what? |
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| 17:23.28 | valdyn | madclicker: so it is possible to just increase the volume size even if theres no space right after that volume, physically |
| 17:23.29 | Gnea | lastnode: locales or util-linux-locales, what do you get if you apt-cache search locales? |
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| 17:23.38 | lastnode | Gnea, getting locales :) thanks |
| 17:23.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 17:23.45 | welp | Gnea, 3.1 |
| 17:23.47 | peppet | dm: umount -l |
| 17:23.53 | Gnea | welp: sarge (stable) |
| 17:23.55 | dm | kspath: 24704 is the process id of the cp process which is in state DN since yesterday and keeps my system load on 1.00 |
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| 17:23.59 | stew | ppid is also to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 17:23.59 | sewi | hello, anybody knows when debian etch will be released as stable, more or less? |
| 17:24.03 | stew | !ppid is also to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 17:24.04 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 17:24.17 | kspath | dm: Do you know what a PPID is? |
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| 17:24.19 | stew | sewi: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 17:24.23 | Gnea | !tell sewi about wwer |
| 17:24.25 | welp | Gnea, you telling me to use sarge? |
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| 17:24.37 | valdyn | sewi: debian release dates are habitually wrong |
| 17:24.45 | valdyn | sewi: or uh, badly wrong |
| 17:24.54 | pbryan | sewi: RSN |
| 17:25.01 | madclicker | valdyn, is it simular to ms "dynamic disk", is it possible to read the lvm partition from other linux systems? |
| 17:25.02 | Gnea | welp: no, you are using sarge... uhm, you should be able to check the php.ini to make sure it's loading the .so |
| 17:25.32 | valdyn | madclicker: i dont know windows dynamic disks, its possible to read that partition from other linux systems, sure |
| 17:25.58 | kspath | dm: man ps; search for PPID |
| 17:26.06 | stew | !ppid |
| 17:26.06 | dpkg | hmm... ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 17:26.26 | dm | kspath: I dont, but I used stew's advice: The PPID is 1. |
| 17:26.32 | madclicker | valdyn, thank you for your input |
| 17:26.42 | kspath | dm: That is init. You do not want to try to kill that |
| 17:26.54 | stew | yeah don't kill 1 :) |
| 17:27.09 | stew | actually that would probably solve his problem :) |
| 17:27.14 | pbryan | stew: agreed |
| 17:27.20 | kspath | stew: agreed |
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| 17:27.54 | pbryan | stew: What would sending SIGHUP to init do? |
| 17:27.58 | dm | stew: I know that cp is init's child since I killed the screen screen I started cp from |
| 17:28.08 | stew | pbryan: cuase inittab to be reread |
| 17:28.08 | sewi | thanks, a friend of mine told me that etch will be stable at the end of this year and I wanted to know if it's true... |
| 17:28.09 | secher | is anyone else having problems with colored text in OOo under Sid? |
| 17:28.23 | pbryan | stew: Ah, of course. |
| 17:28.26 | valdyn | !tell sewi -about bts |
| 17:28.28 | grendal_prime | how difficult is it to set up a webdav folder? |
| 17:28.37 | abrotman | secher: bts? |
| 17:28.45 | stew | dm: you checked dmesg and syslog? you can't kill the cp process? |
| 17:28.47 | grendal_prime | i need to make file transfering simple with these jabber client |
| 17:28.48 | pbryan | grendal_prime: Easy, it just takes time. |
| 17:28.48 | valdyn | !tell secher -about bts |
| 17:28.51 | lastnode | Gnea, when i do locale -a i still only get C and POSIX. what goes? |
| 17:28.53 | valdyn | sewi: ops sorry |
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| 17:29.04 | Buchannon | I just installed ruby on rails on my debian server, I get it all running with script/server, but when I try to do anything with it, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/733302 |
| 17:29.09 | dm | stew: No device errors in syslog/dmesg |
| 17:29.11 | Nykheyn | !start an os war |
| 17:29.12 | dpkg | DOS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 17:29.16 | secher | Kk, thanks. |
| 17:29.19 | grendal_prime | pbryan, ? is there a package available for it? |
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| 17:29.29 | kspath | dm: using kill 9 can be a bad thing. That might be why cp is "hanging" waiting |
| 17:29.33 | grendal_prime | i dont see anything for it is the reason im asking |
| 17:29.37 | Gnea | lastnode: you need to regenerate the list |
| 17:29.46 | lastnode | Gnea, how? |
| 17:29.50 | dm | kspath: I tried 15 before |
| 17:29.51 | pbryan | grendal_prime: What apache version are you using? |
| 17:30.04 | grendal_prime | not in stable anyway...umm apache2 |
| 17:30.17 | Gnea | lastnode: dpkg-reconfigure locales && locale-gen |
| 17:30.20 | kspath | dm: How long after "15" before you tried "9" ? |
| 17:30.42 | blondie | kill -9 doesn't always work anyway |
| 17:30.47 | dm | kspath: mount -l worked (for the source ntfs partition), but process is still there |
| 17:30.49 | blondie | if something is waiting for io |
| 17:30.52 | pbryan | grendal_prime: Then I think you have DAV capabilities already. |
| 17:31.05 | dm | kspath: About 15 mins |
| 17:31.11 | kspath | dm: "worked" ? |
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| 17:31.15 | grendal_prime | Im wondering if its even the thing i want...i need to be able to have a server to act as a proxy for these jabber clients. they need to be able to filetransfre from inside the firewall to the outside the firewall and back, |
| 17:31.15 | grendal_prime | really |
| 17:31.16 | grendal_prime | shit |
| 17:31.27 | welp | Gnea, this look about right? extension=mysql.so |
| 17:31.32 | dm | kspath: the ntfs partition is not mounted anymore |
| 17:31.42 | pbryan | grendal_prime: Yup, really. Shit. |
| 17:31.43 | valdyn | grendal_prime: what is jabber file transfer technically? how does it work? |
| 17:32.02 | teknoprep | hmm |
| 17:32.17 | teknoprep | is ther any other solution for turning a Linux Box into a Wireless AP other then HOSTAP ? |
| 17:32.18 | repp | dm: do you know about lsof? |
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| 17:32.27 | abrotman | #wireless might know |
| 17:32.40 | epictetus | teknoprep: Yes. |
| 17:32.47 | grendal_prime | valdyn, well it does if your both on one side of a firewall |
| 17:32.47 | kspath | abrotman: What is #wireless about? |
| 17:32.48 | teknoprep | epictetus what? |
| 17:33.02 | Gnea | welp: it sure does. check apache and php logs when you restart apache - does it say anything adverse about it? |
| 17:33.02 | valdyn | teknoprep: im sure there's wireless cards that do support master mode in hardware/firmware |
| 17:33.11 | teknoprep | hmm |
| 17:33.27 | abrotman | kspath: wireless afaik |
| 17:33.30 | dm | repp: lsof shows me that evil process trying to cp data from ntfs to the ext3 partition |
| 17:33.37 | grendal_prime | its client to client connection. but when you have like 50 users on one side of a firewall and 50 users on the outside on the other side of another firewall it gets dificult to create those client<->client connections |
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| 17:34.10 | kspath | abrotman: Amazing. Do you think #wireless would know about wireless technologies? ;-) |
| 17:34.15 | abrotman | no |
| 17:34.31 | Gnea | !wifi |
| 17:34.31 | dpkg | somebody said wifi was a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
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| 17:35.03 | kspath | abrotman: That must be why people ask #debian rather than #wireless. Good thing there is a catchall channel like #debian. |
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| 17:35.44 | dm | repp: the open file is the target file "/mnt/ext3/WINNT/$NtUninstallKB329115$/reg0..." |
| 17:35.53 | genelisp | hi, I'm trying to setup ftp access to my server, I installed proftpd and started it, but I couldn't connect - I kept getting "password incorrect" so I tried installing vsftpd instead, but I still can't connect (I just get password incorrect) I'm using gFTP to try and upload things to the server - can anyone help? |
| 17:36.12 | abrotman | dpkg!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:36.18 | welp | Gnea, ok.. i forgot to reload apache... never realised that i neded to do that... :/ thanks :D |
| 17:36.26 | amee2k | o.O |
| 17:36.28 | nkuttler | genelisp: hm, did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/yourftpd? |
| 17:36.38 | Gnea | welp: have fun :) |
| 17:36.39 | grendal_prime | valdyn, ive pounded my head agains the wall on tis file transfer bit..its making me crazy..if i have a webdav server set up i can just utilize it as the sort of temporary holding ground place for these files in transfer. |
| 17:36.44 | grendal_prime | like file purgatory |
| 17:36.56 | dm | repp: The $ cahrs? |
| 17:37.02 | dm | repp: chars |
| 17:37.02 | grendal_prime | accept without all that extray praying and ...whatnot |
| 17:37.20 | genelisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.22 | amee2k | what do i need to reload or restart to apply changes in /etc/cups/client.conf ? |
| 17:37.24 | grendal_prime | and a little better time table... |
| 17:37.32 | valdyn | grendal_prime: http://web.amessage.info/firewalled/ |
| 17:37.42 | keith80403 | Correct command to mount a USB memory stick - "mount -t usbfs /dev/????? /media" - What's the correct device name under Debian From Scratch (DFS?) |
| 17:37.42 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 17:37.42 | valdyn | grendal_prime: maybe that can clear up things.. |
| 17:37.59 | welp | Gnea, ok, thanks again D: |
| 17:38.03 | welp | *:D |
| 17:38.04 | grendal_prime | ive looked all over for a way of doing this |
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| 17:38.42 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 17:38.43 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
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| 17:38.51 | grendal_prime | valdyn, ya read that a few thousand times |
| 17:39.03 | jhenn | hi. does debian still filter out non-free software? last i used was woody. |
| 17:39.14 | stew | keith80403: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 17:39.18 | valdyn | grendal_prime: i still don't know what jabber file transfer would need beyond what is explained on that site |
| 17:39.21 | amee2k | any hints? |
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| 17:39.22 | nkuttler | jhenn: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 17:39.27 | grendal_prime | the problem im having is explained as being one...where there really is no solution without using an office storage location for the files |
| 17:39.29 | keith80403 | stew, Thanks I'll do that. |
| 17:39.30 | obscuresoul | i've got a creative inspire t6060 and a soundblaster live 5.1 card. but only 2 of 5 speakers are working...why? |
| 17:39.47 | repp | dm: no, that won't be it.. so let me get this straight.. the partition is unmounted but you just want to get rid of the defunct cp process? |
| 17:39.59 | peppet | keith80403: take a llok at dmesg|tail after reinserting usb stick |
| 17:40.00 | grendal_prime | ok valdyn say you have two locations, each one has one debian based router at it. on the lan side of each one you have 20 users. |
| 17:40.01 | peppet | *look |
| 17:40.18 | lastnode | what package does dhclient come in? |
| 17:40.21 | grendal_prime | the jabber server itself is located on site A |
| 17:40.31 | stew | lastnode: /msg dpkg search ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:40.34 | keith80403 | peppet, Ok thanks I'll do that, too. |
| 17:40.45 | lastnode | thanks StereoSkit |
| 17:40.48 | lastnode | stew, i mean |
| 17:41.01 | lastnode | stew, it doesn't say :\ |
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| 17:41.07 | grendal_prime | so everyone at site a is hitting it directly, everyone from site b is hitting it through the router at ste b and then through the internet. |
| 17:41.09 | stew | lastnode: which did you try? |
| 17:41.12 | grendal_prime | follow so far? |
| 17:41.16 | arsen | anyone installed deb on a vaio tx1hp?:X |
| 17:41.26 | grendal_prime | and this may be simple..i dont know...i cant seem to get it to work though. |
| 17:41.35 | lastnode | stew, /msg dpkg dhclient |
| 17:41.35 | stew | lastnode: "dpkg -S" would probably tell you, /msg dpkg pdo and /msg dpkg apt-file ; would definately tell you |
| 17:41.45 | stew | lastnode: no. /msg dpkg search |
| 17:41.49 | lastnode | ok thanks stew |
| 17:41.50 | valdyn | grendal_prime: you can configure jabber to use a random proxy right? |
| 17:41.56 | grendal_prime | everyone is able to chat. because that is handled by the server np |
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| 17:42.20 | spanglesontoast | hey can anyone help me got some alsa errors :| |
| 17:42.26 | grendal_prime | everyone on the insde of site a can send files to anyone inside of sit A |
| 17:42.40 | RogueDopple | google alsa errors |
| 17:42.48 | spanglesontoast | ... |
| 17:42.49 | grendal_prime | everyone on the outside of site A can send files to people on the outside of sitA |
| 17:42.52 | keith80403 | peppet, I get "usb 1-1 : new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2" when plugging in the USB Memory. |
| 17:43.08 | grendal_prime | however nobody can send files from site A to site B or vice versa. |
| 17:44.00 | stew | spanglesontoast: not until you show us the actual errors |
| 17:44.10 | spanglesontoast | http://pastebin.com/733355 .......... |
| 17:44.23 | grendal_prime | i want the file transfer to be simple, if i have a webdav capable server available even at site A. the client software can park the doc there, can send the location to the client..where ever and the client wereever can download it. |
| 17:44.41 | arsen | anyone installed debian on vaio laptops?:O |
| 17:44.47 | grendal_prime | arsen, |
| 17:44.48 | stew | spanglesontoast: what driver are you using? |
| 17:44.48 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 17:44.51 | arsen | doesnt seem to be much discussion of it anywhere |
| 17:44.52 | stew | arsen: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 17:45.00 | grendal_prime | an old one..there are packages just for those machines |
| 17:45.01 | arsen | ta, stew, was looknig for the keyword :s |
| 17:45.12 | spanglesontoast | not sure |
| 17:45.16 | spanglesontoast | it's built into the motherboard |
| 17:45.22 | peppet | keith80403: if no sdx partition at all, then follow stew suggestion |
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| 17:45.46 | stew | spanglesontoast: put the output of "lspci -n" and "lsmod | grep snd" into a pastebin |
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| 17:46.28 | arsen | meh, really want deb setup on my tx1hp :) |
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| 17:46.37 | spanglesontoast | http://pastebin.com/733376 |
| 17:46.54 | stew | arsen: if you have a specific question about installing, just ask it |
| 17:46.55 | spanglesontoast | lsmod | grep snd didn't spit anything |
| 17:47.02 | arsen | i know, just commenting :) |
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| 17:47.27 | marcel__ | hi |
| 17:47.31 | stew | spanglesontoast: what does "uname -r" say. and can you also paste the output of "lspci" |
| 17:47.40 | marcel__ | anyone having problems with the nvidia driver and xorg? |
| 17:47.42 | spanglesontoast | the lspci spat out |
| 17:47.50 | spanglesontoast | bit lsmod didn't :| |
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| 17:47.59 | spanglesontoast | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 17:48.06 | spanglesontoast | omg that's old |
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| 17:48.22 | spanglesontoast | shouldn't that be 2.6? |
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| 17:48.51 | marcel__ | i cant seem to install the nvidia driver (source) with kernel 2.6.16.x |
| 17:49.01 | marcel__ | modprobe works but startx fails |
| 17:49.38 | stew | spanglesontoast: can you put the output of "lspci" into a pastebin (i want the version without -n now) |
| 17:49.38 | netman1 | marcel__: /var/log/X* ? |
| 17:49.50 | cesarstafe | hello people!! i be happy!! i can run php4 + php5-cgi on apache2!! yess!! thanks my got! |
| 17:49.54 | cesarstafe | :D |
| 17:50.09 | spanglesontoast | just lspci or with the -n flag? |
| 17:50.17 | stew | spanglesontoast: "lspci" |
| 17:50.22 | spanglesontoast | k |
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| 17:50.28 | spanglesontoast | soz I'm tired |
| 17:50.29 | stew | spanglesontoast: i didn't see a sound card at all with "lspci -n" |
| 17:50.31 | marcel__ | netman1, let me check it, what should i look for? |
| 17:50.42 | spanglesontoast | http://pastebin.com/733392 |
| 17:50.53 | dobby | what is the easyest to build a sftp server? |
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| 17:51.00 | netman1 | marcel__: error messages ;-) anything that begins with [E] |
| 17:51.04 | RolandU | hi all! when I am trying to boot I get an error that my root-filesystem cannot be found. I am also unable to run using a live-cd - for example knoppix said that it can't create a ramdisk. Might all this be caused by a broken harddisk? |
| 17:51.36 | Maria | hi, just installed testing on my new laptop, however acpi does not trigger events when connecting/disconnecting the ac adaptor. I do get unknown key pressed messages in /var/log/messages. Ideas? |
| 17:52.15 | lastnode | Maria, and this worked in stable/sarge? |
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| 17:52.28 | Maria | lastnode: never tried |
| 17:52.39 | lastnode | Maria, laptop model? |
| 17:52.51 | teknoprep | teknoprep:~# iwconfig eth2 mode master |
| 17:52.51 | teknoprep | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 17:52.51 | teknoprep | SET failed on device eth2 ; Function not implemented. |
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| 17:52.55 | Maria | lastnode: msi S260, centrino processor |
| 17:52.55 | teknoprep | sorry for 3 line paste |
| 17:53.10 | teknoprep | if it gives me that error am i not able to use master mode with this network card? |
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| 17:53.35 | cesarstafe | pardon, i prefer this channel why in channel debian-es mis questions never was responded! :-( |
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| 17:54.32 | cesarstafe | they are indiferents in the channel debian-es |
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| 17:56.27 | cesarstafe | i try write english, but i not write very well! sorry, thanks!! |
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| 17:56.59 | Suprano | hi |
| 17:57.04 | phaedrus_ | y0 |
| 17:57.33 | Suprano | where the hell is the config file of eggdrop if i use apt to install it? or where do i have to crate it ? |
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| 17:57.54 | netman1 | Suprano: dselect update ; dkg -L eggdrop |
| 17:58.05 | netman1 | s/dkg/dpkg/ |
| 17:58.33 | stew | spanglesontoast: there is no sound card listed there. how old is this motherboard? |
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| 17:58.44 | nicolas_ | hi |
| 17:58.51 | spanglesontoast | I have no idea I'd saw 5 or 6 years old |
| 17:58.52 | netman1 | Suprano: that gives you all the installed files of eggdrop. Should also give you the config file. |
| 17:58.57 | spanglesontoast | *say |
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| 17:59.19 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 17:59.30 | spanglesontoast | ok wrong box |
| 17:59.33 | spanglesontoast | that's the other server |
| 17:59.33 | dazjorz | My internet fell away a few seconds ago, and now it seems internet doesn't work at my server anymore |
| 17:59.35 | lastnode | i apt-getted grub but it didnt create /boot/grub/menu.lst, do i have to do this manually? |
| 17:59.39 | dazjorz | How do I restart networking? |
| 17:59.41 | spanglesontoast | this one does have a sound card |
| 17:59.50 | spanglesontoast | I reckon it's pci |
| 17:59.59 | stew | spanglesontoast: its not pci |
| 18:00.04 | spanglesontoast | oh |
| 18:00.09 | Suprano | ahm netman1 , how to fix this: W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 18:00.21 | stew | spanglesontoast: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner ; when you run alsaconf you'll have to let it "probe for isa and legacy cards" |
| 18:00.26 | netman1 | Suprano: read the topic. |
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| 18:00.33 | Suprano | osp |
| 18:00.34 | Suprano | ops |
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| 18:00.41 | Suprano | sry |
| 18:01.34 | stew | Suprano: /msg dpkg apt secure ; /msg dpkg apt-key 16BA136C |
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| 18:02.24 | spanglesontoast | it can't find the alsa-modules |
| 18:02.35 | dazjorz | "Hmm |
| 18:02.35 | nicolas_ | i have a usb gamepad of cheap brand and i wonder why the driver detects it has 6 direction joysticks, but the only one the gamepad physically has appears to be the third one, i found this by running jscal -c and was unable to calibrate the 2 first directions joystick it asked, and as a weird result of this, xmms joystick plugins doesnt support my directions but zsnes does, can anyone give me a brief explanation for this ? |
| 18:02.36 | dazjorz | Damn |
| 18:02.43 | dazjorz | Can't access the network anymore |
| 18:03.01 | dazjorz | ifdown eth0 takes forever |
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| 18:03.52 | dazjorz | Aww >.< |
| 18:03.58 | dazjorz | ifdown eth0 isn't smart on SSH >.< |
| 18:04.00 | dazjorz | Fuck me. |
| 18:04.03 | dazjorz | Brb. |
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| 18:06.21 | stew | !info alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:06.36 | stew | !info alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 sarge |
| 18:06.37 | stew | oops |
| 18:06.40 | spanglesontoast | dw |
| 18:06.42 | dpkg | alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386: (ALSA modules for kernel 2.4.27-2-386), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.10+1 (sid), Packaged size: 1366 kB, Installed size: 3920 kB |
| 18:06.48 | spanglesontoast | got it |
| 18:07.03 | spanglesontoast | grabbed it off debians mirrors |
| 18:07.03 | lastnode | im in a chroot, so how can i let that env see my hard disks? how do i mount proc there? |
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| 18:07.43 | marcel__ | (EE) Failed to load module "glx" |
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| 18:08.34 | netman1 | marcel__: disable the loading of glx in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and retry starting X11. |
| 18:08.56 | Suprano | netman1, sudo: unable to lookup Uhrwerk via gethostbyname() |
| 18:08.58 | markybob | lastnode, this pretty much explains everything. https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id271960 |
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| 18:09.27 | lastnode | markybob, will look, thanks |
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| 18:09.48 | netman1 | Suprano: that's local to your part of the net, I can't say or do anything about it. |
| 18:09.56 | marcel__ | netman1, but dont i need glx for the nvidia driver? |
| 18:10.18 | netman1 | marcel__: add-on, not needed, only for acceleration. |
| 18:10.22 | Suprano | hm ok |
| 18:10.31 | endless_us | Hi guys. I try to install debian of netcd and my network adapter (intel e1000) not recognize by installer. Any help? |
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| 18:10.40 | marcel__ | netman1, let me try it, one second |
| 18:11.02 | cesarstafe | i understand wath do dpkg how bot? what is your function sending that messages to the channel? can somebody explain me tath? |
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| 18:11.48 | netman1 | endless_us: probably an older iso? |
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| 18:12.08 | endless_us | 31r2 |
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| 18:12.25 | RolandU | I have problems on my primary computer: I only have console-access but my keyboard does not work. |
| 18:12.35 | netman1 | endless_us: hmmm.... |
| 18:12.50 | endless_us | <netman1>: It is latest one? |
| 18:13.00 | netman1 | endless_us: yep |
| 18:13.30 | endless_us | <netman1>: I try Fedora 4 & 5 both recognize a right a way |
| 18:13.42 | lastnode | markybob, that's kind of confusing. im doing mount proc -t proc /mnt/debian. shouldn;t that populate /dev/ ? |
| 18:13.56 | lastnode | markybob, ive deebostrapped the distro, trying to install grub |
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| 18:14.09 | netman1 | endless_us: the only thing I can imagin then is a license issue. |
| 18:14.33 | thingfish | endless_us: did you use the installer's 2.6 kernel, or the default one? |
| 18:14.44 | netman1 | endless_us: let me check, 1 moment. |
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| 18:15.18 | endless_us | <netman1>: Thanks |
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| 18:16.14 | netman1 | endless_us: I'm running an older (though up to date) sarge with a standard debian kernel and it has CONFIG_E1000 enabled. |
| 18:16.33 | thingfish | my intel gigabit card works great. |
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| 18:16.46 | thingfish | (3.1r2) |
| 18:16.46 | netman1 | endless_us: So that leaves me a bit baffeld. |
| 18:17.07 | netman1 | thingfish: maybe you can help endless_us: out. |
| 18:17.32 | thingfish | netman1: I doubt it. I already asked him a question, didn't get a response. |
| 18:17.37 | endless_us | <netman1>: Board Intel D945PVS (on board adapter) Intel 82801GR I/O Controller Hub (ICH7-R) for RAID support (levels 0,1, 0+1, |
| 18:17.37 | endless_us | and 5) on the SATA interface |
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| 18:17.59 | thingfish | endless_us: ah.../msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 18:18.12 | thingfish | endless_us: it's likely your very current chipset. |
| 18:18.30 | RolandU | it seems that there is a problem with grub here. my menu list says root (hd0,4) and when I am trying to boot it says that it can't find partition at (hd0,0) ??? |
| 18:18.42 | endless_us | What i need to do? |
| 18:18.53 | thingfish | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 18:18.54 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.15 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 18:19.00 | thingfish | endless_us: ^^^ |
| 18:19.48 | thingfish | endless_us: it has a much newer kernel than the official sarge installer. Probably better support for your motherboard. |
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| 18:20.41 | spanglesontoast | maybe I should just get the bundle of pci sound cards I have |
| 18:20.46 | spanglesontoast | and whack one of those in |
| 18:21.00 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: trouble with onboard sound? |
| 18:21.05 | endless_us | Thanks. But how to incorporate this with netcd, if installation of netcd did not recognize net, then I have no way to download or upgrade anything |
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| 18:21.10 | netman1 | spanglesontoast: you could sing . . . |
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| 18:21.31 | netman1 | sorry, couldn't resist. |
| 18:21.41 | spanglesontoast | don't worry boys stew has helped me |
| 18:21.51 | spanglesontoast | yea I'm singing now |
| 18:21.57 | genelisp | hi, would anyone be able to give me an example /etc/pam.d/ftp file for proftpd? I'm not sure how pam+proftpd works with Debian (there are only examples for Red Hat and SuSE in the proftpd docs) |
| 18:22.00 | spanglesontoast | with surround sound on my desktop machine |
| 18:22.03 | thingfish | endless_us: look at that link. It's a complete sarge netinstall CD image, only with a 2.6.15 kernel instead of 2.6.8. |
| 18:22.04 | spanglesontoast | unfort it's windoze :( |
| 18:22.25 | endless_us | <thingfish>: Thanks |
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| 18:22.42 | thingfish | endless_us: good luck. |
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| 18:23.57 | endless_us | Thank you guys. One more question, how good is debian with Mythtv and Nexus-s cards? |
| 18:24.25 | endless_us | I mean how stable they are |
| 18:24.47 | stew | endless_us: mythtv isn't in debian so there is no real way to answer that |
| 18:24.48 | thingfish | dunno...haven't heard a whole lot either way. I don't have a currently installed tv tuner card. |
| 18:25.08 | stew | endless_us: and asking about a specific card is really asking how linux deals with it, not debian. ask #mythtv-users |
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| 18:25.16 | jhenn | is debian ever going to drop non-free totally? |
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| 18:25.51 | azeem | jhenn: not unless the developers vote on it |
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| 18:26.05 | stew | !wb azeem |
| 18:26.05 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! azeem has returned! |
| 18:26.13 | azeem | heh |
| 18:26.14 | stew | azeem: are you sunburned? |
| 18:26.15 | endless_us | thanks |
| 18:26.41 | RolandU | my system won't boot saying: RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0, RAMDISK: ran out of compressed data, invalid compressed format (err=1), VFS: connot open root device "hda5" or unknown-block(0,0), please append a correct "root=" boot option. Kernel panic.....unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) ---- I don't understand what the problem is. Could anyone help please? |
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| 18:26.59 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 18:27.01 | grendal_prime | webdav |
| 18:27.10 | grendal_prime | i swear..im just not haveing a good week |
| 18:27.31 | netman1 | RolandU: a rotten initrd.gz ? |
| 18:27.32 | thingfish | RolandU: can you boot to a livecd like knoppix? |
| 18:27.37 | stew | RolandU: sounds like an imporoperly made initrd, which kernel is this, and which initrd tool did you use? |
| 18:27.52 | azeem | stew: a bit, I met Matthias Klose and Noel Koethe on the `Turibus' by accident in Mexico City yesterday and we drove around a bit, so my leg is pretty red now |
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| 18:28.32 | RolandU | thingfish, it seems that knoppix will automatically try to use the harddisk and won't boot. I can boot to an old kernel version without keyboard - but I can ssh in then. |
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| 18:29.14 | thingfish | RolandU: oh ok, I was just wondering because I thought you earlier said something about you thought maybe the hard drive was gone. |
| 18:29.17 | teknoprep | hey |
| 18:29.18 | RolandU | stew, thingfish, netman1 : I did nothing but dist-upgrade yesterday (using etch) |
| 18:29.33 | sharyari | I'm having some problems with my linuxconsoles (I mean those at alt + F1-F6) |
| 18:29.48 | sharyari | I did somthing, and now it doesn't show things right |
| 18:29.50 | RolandU | thingfish, I discovered that I can ssh into the machine using the old kernel and I can use files from all partitions. |
| 18:30.02 | mc__ | sharyari, reboot |
| 18:30.07 | sharyari | This happened to me before, but I just reinstalled and hoped I wouldn't have this trouble |
| 18:30.07 | netman1 | RolandU: There you have it. yaird or initramfs? |
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| 18:30.29 | sharyari | mc__: well, that would lead me to my next problem. The last three times I rebooted, GRUB didn't load again :P |
| 18:30.40 | RolandU | netman1, whatever is default. I did nothing to the kernel in the recent weeks. |
| 18:30.49 | thingfish | RolandU: well good your hardware is probably fine, so answer stew's question (above). |
| 18:30.51 | sharyari | which means I reinstalled since it's easier than fixing the problem :) |
| 18:30.52 | teknoprep | HEY ... how do i run a bash script at startup in debian.. i know you can do it in redhat with the rc.local.. how i doit in Debian? |
| 18:31.02 | datrus | hello. anyone knows if there exists a remote filesystem that is stored in encrypted form on the server and where the encryption/decryption process is done on the client? |
| 18:31.11 | stew | teknoprep: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 18:31.12 | RolandU | problems using: kernel 2.4.*, 2.6.15, able to boot using: 2.6.8 (all standard-images for K7) |
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| 18:31.28 | knoth | how to start mysqld on debian? |
| 18:31.29 | netman1 | RolandU: I had to do a 'mkinitrd 2.x.x -o initrd.gz' |
| 18:31.39 | mc__ | knoth, /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 18:31.40 | stew | knoth: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 18:31.47 | teknoprep | hmm |
| 18:31.50 | teknoprep | that is gay |
| 18:31.51 | knoth | thanks mc__, stew!! |
| 18:31.54 | teknoprep | i like rc.local |
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| 18:32.01 | RolandU | netman1, when should I have done that? I didn't change the kernel recently |
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| 18:32.07 | mc__ | knoth, np |
| 18:32.22 | stew | !tell teknoprep about gay |
| 18:32.49 | netman1 | RolandU: The latest kernels do not allways create an initrd.gz automatically, you'll have to do it by hand. |
| 18:32.55 | RolandU | stew, netman1 - how do I create a initrd now? |
| 18:33.00 | pbryan | stew: lol |
| 18:33.06 | netman1 | s/kernels/kernel packages/ |
| 18:33.15 | stew | RolandU: do you use udev? |
| 18:33.26 | RolandU | stew, I think so |
| 18:33.38 | netman1 | RolandU: ps -ef|grep udevd |
| 18:33.40 | knoth | and to start HTTPD? "/etc/init.d/httpd start" ? |
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| 18:34.29 | stew | RolandU: apt-get install initramfs-tools ; then apt-get install --reinstall kernel-image-2.6.15-1-686 (or -386 which ever you have installed) |
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| 18:34.44 | RolandU | netman1, reply: root ........ grep udevd |
| 18:34.49 | stew | knoth: /etc/init.d/apache restart (or apache2 if you use apache2) |
| 18:34.57 | netman1 | stew: no he doesn't... |
| 18:34.59 | knoth | ok, tks again ;) |
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| 18:35.08 | stew | netman1: who doesn't what? |
| 18:35.10 | RolandU | stew, athlonXP is considered K7, right? or would 686 be better? |
| 18:35.17 | stew | RolandU: yes, k7 |
| 18:35.20 | netman1 | RolandU doesn't run udevd |
| 18:35.47 | stew | RolandU: do you currently have yaird or initramfs-tools installed or both? |
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| 18:36.06 | RolandU | initramfs-tools is already the newest version |
| 18:36.14 | stew | netman1: then he does run udev |
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| 18:36.26 | Vme | hello |
| 18:36.41 | netman1 | stew: (20:34:09) RolandU: netman1, reply: root ........ grep udevd |
| 18:36.57 | stew | netman1: you cannot install initramfs-tools without udev. its not running now becuase he isn't running a kernel that supports it |
| 18:37.11 | Vme | i have VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1), do i need to download additional drivers outside the kernel? |
| 18:37.16 | netman1 | stew: your' right. my mistake. thanks. |
| 18:37.18 | stew | netman1: it will disable itself if you boot a kernel < 2.6.12 |
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| 18:37.41 | blondie | Vme: you can use the "nv" driver I think, unless you want opengl/fancy Â3D |
| 18:37.41 | RolandU | stew, when I tried running old 2.4-kernel it said error starting udev ..... I don't get that on the 2.6 usually |
| 18:37.56 | jlaw | Vme: if you want hardware acceleration it might come in handy to install the package provided by nvidia |
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| 18:38.02 | Faust | Hi there! Did anyone of you get the intelfb framebuffer to work? If so - how did you do it? I included the module in the ramdisk, but still vesafb gets loaded before (well, it is in the kernel) so intelfb can't reserve the fb region - hopefully someone can help me with this! |
| 18:38.20 | stew | RolandU: yeah, that is expected, the udev in testing/unstable requires >= 2.6.13 to run |
| 18:38.53 | RolandU | 2.6.15 is my usual one. |
| 18:38.56 | Vme | jlaw: i'm just looking to use it for MythTV |
| 18:38.59 | Wonko | Yesterday I finally succeded installing the nvidia driver. The output to the TV is however in black and white. How could I fix that? |
| 18:39.00 | Vme | do you think i need it? |
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| 18:39.20 | netman1 | Faust: did it last weekend, manually though. "modprobe intelfb ...." |
| 18:39.32 | stew | Vme: probably not |
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| 18:39.38 | Vme | cool |
| 18:39.39 | Vme | :) |
| 18:39.48 | teknoprep | so does anyone know what a downside to Ad-Hoc is? |
| 18:39.58 | Faust | netman1: modprobe worked for you??? But then you can't change the resolution I guess... |
| 18:40.05 | netman1 | Faust: found some parameters in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt |
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| 18:40.29 | netman1 | Faust: you can give 'm on the command line with the modprobe |
| 18:40.38 | jlaw | Vme: maybe the buffer support would be usefull ... there are two ways to use it: compile or bind it two the kernel or by installing the nvidia package ... but i don't know if there is a need for MythTV |
| 18:40.45 | RolandU | netman1, stew, so what should I do now? |
| 18:41.07 | stew | RolandU: did you --reinstall your kernel? |
| 18:41.14 | jlaw | Vme: and the kernel way works just with 2.6.x |
| 18:41.26 | dazjorz | Moo |
| 18:41.28 | Faust | netman: well, I just did it and didn't get this error anymore - probably because I got the right resolution |
| 18:41.30 | dazjorz | It works again :) |
| 18:41.31 | netman1 | Faust: changing the resolution is not possible though. |
| 18:41.34 | RolandU | no, because the initfstools was already installed |
| 18:41.35 | Faust | netman: and what about the error intelfb: Cannot reserve FB region. |
| 18:41.36 | dazjorz | After a while, it just started to work :) |
| 18:41.39 | dazjorz | Debian is great |
| 18:41.43 | dazjorz | Perl is also great... |
| 18:42.06 | Faust | netman1: well, the resolution seems to be fine now - I found the right vga= for lilo somewhere... |
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| 18:42.07 | netman1 | Faust: didn't run into it. sorry. |
| 18:42.17 | jlaw | Vme: but the best way to determine if MythTV needs it is to try without it !-) |
| 18:43.11 | RolandU | stew, reinstalled it. should I try rebooting now? |
| 18:43.11 | Faust | netman1: can you maybe tell me what cat /proc/fb returns for you? For me it's just the VESA VGA |
| 18:43.34 | stew | RolandU: there were no errors reinstalling it? did it say it was calling mkinitramfs to create an initrd? |
| 18:43.56 | netman1 | Faust: sorry, system is on it's *ss right now: failed xen experiment ;-) |
| 18:44.06 | RolandU | stew: no, no |
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| 18:44.28 | stew | RolandU: did it say it was using mkinitrd.yaird to create an initrd? |
| 18:44.32 | Faust | netman1: I see :-) thanks nevertheless! |
| 18:44.48 | netman1 | Faust: yw. |
| 18:45.13 | RolandU | stew, no it just installed like any other package. Preparing to replace / unpacking / setting up |
| 18:45.21 | stew | hrm |
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| 18:45.30 | teknoprep | is ad-hoc limted to 54mbps ? |
| 18:45.39 | jlaw | so, i'm away for now ... cu guys |
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| 18:45.41 | jlaw | !bye |
| 18:45.41 | dpkg | Cya, jlaw |
| 18:45.53 | stew | RolandU: try "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-..." it really shoudl have said something about the initrd, afaik |
| 18:45.55 | teknoprep | is ad-hoc limited to 11mbs ? |
| 18:46.11 | csmiller | are the torrents on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/arm/bt-dvd/ working? |
| 18:46.27 | csmiller | Qtorrent is stuck "connecting to peers" but I can download other torrents |
| 18:46.39 | RolandU | stew: dpkg-reconfigure says nothing. |
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| 18:47.22 | RolandU | btw, what's the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 good for? |
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| 18:48.57 | evilbulgarian | hi, i am trying to set up apache + ldap + svn via auth to an Windows 2k3 Active Directory. It seems to work but the problem is that the Active Directory was set up with multiple CN and OU. So for example my user is in ( CN=Vladislav Gergov,OU=Users,OU=Information Technology,DC=SMS,DC=AC" ) Can someone please help me with the ldap:// url ? i can currently run "ldapsearch -h 192.168.1.9 -W -x -D "CN=Administrator,CN=Users,DC=SMS,DC=AC" -b "DC=SMS,DC |
| 18:48.57 | evilbulgarian | d access my account details after typing in password but i just cant get the ldap:// url for apache working |
| 18:49.39 | RolandU | stew, can I create initrd manually? |
| 18:49.52 | stew | RolandU: yeah, man mkinitramfs |
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| 18:50.18 | blondie | euck spaces in usernames |
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| 18:51.09 | csmiller | who looks after the torrents? |
| 18:51.20 | hjubal | hi |
| 18:51.43 | Wypracow | does anyone know any software that would enable 2 users (connecting from 2 machines) to share their ssh session, i.e. see what commands each other is typing and the output of commands? |
| 18:51.44 | csmiller | hi hjubal, please ask your question. |
| 18:51.50 | StyXman | stupid question of the day: is debian-users a closed lists? or is it that anybody can post? I want to make a question, but I would like to not subscribe to it (too much traffic already) |
| 18:52.10 | thingfish | !mkinitramfs |
| 18:52.12 | StyXman | Wypracow: you can use screen |
| 18:52.12 | csmiller | wypracow kibitz allows two users to connect their shells |
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| 18:52.30 | Wypracow | styxman, csmiller: thanks, I will have a look at both.. |
| 18:52.32 | hjubal | csmiller, I don't have any question :| |
| 18:53.42 | Tallu | Wypracow: have them log in as the same user, otherone starts screen session and the other joins it with screen -X, as styxman said over there |
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| 18:54.09 | StyXman | Tallu: wasn't screen -x? |
| 18:54.27 | Tallu | StyXman: oh yeah |
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| 18:54.29 | Tallu | sorry |
| 18:54.42 | cahoot | StyXman: This list is not moderated; posting is allowed by anyone. |
| 18:54.53 | StyXman | cahoot: ok, tx |
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| 18:55.28 | dondelelcaro | astronut: pong |
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| 18:56.49 | Wypracow | ok, one more question.. if user A is able to ssh into user's machine B, but not vice versa (due to firewall), is there a way to make user B see the user's A screen session anyway? |
| 18:56.59 | RolandU | stew, I cannot update-initramfs -update because it has been altered and I cannot create a new one because one already exists |
| 18:57.14 | stew | RolandU: move it first, then create a new one |
| 18:57.23 | jjazz | Wypracow: When A goes into B's machine, A can open a tunnel for B to come back. |
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| 18:57.56 | StyXman | Wypracow: as jjazz says, see ssh's -R option |
| 18:58.06 | Wypracow | that's great, thanks |
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| 18:59.05 | RolandU | stew: somehting is happening |
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| 18:59.31 | RolandU | stew: it did something and gave no further reply. should I reboot now? |
| 18:59.47 | stew | RolandU: make sure you actaully have an initrd, then yes reboot |
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| 19:03.22 | abrotman | jjazz: that was rough .. but you guys are Foulke's Daddy :) |
| 19:03.50 | blondie | I suck |
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| 19:03.53 | jjazz | heh. Indeed. Looks like rumors of his resurrection were greatly exagerated. |
| 19:04.04 | abrotman | blondie: wait .. you're the one who advocates RDP right ? |
| 19:04.10 | blondie | yes |
| 19:04.23 | abrotman | blondie: /msg ? |
| 19:04.25 | jjazz | abrotman: Sheff's back tonight. I'm hoping for some life |
| 19:04.27 | abrotman | (not debian realted at all |
| 19:04.38 | abrotman | jjazz: or he'll break something :) |
| 19:04.38 | RolandU | stew, netman1 - everything working fine again. Thanks alot! But why did that happen? |
| 19:04.40 | blondie | don't ask to /msg me please :P |
| 19:04.44 | blondie | just do it c.c |
| 19:04.44 | abrotman | blondie: ack! |
| 19:04.59 | blondie | "asking to ask" etc |
| 19:05.01 | dusty- | Hey guys, I have just upgraded from stable to unstable, and installed kde and x-window-system, when i configure it via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and then run startx i get the following error: Error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy ... xf86OpenSerial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device configured mouse cannot open input device, preinit failed for device "configure mouse" the XKEYBOARD kempa compi |
| 19:05.01 | dusty- | ler xkbcomp reports: the one level has 1 levels but ralt has 2 symbols ignoring extra symbols, error from xkbcomp are not fat to the x sever, no core pointer, fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices... X10 fatal io error 104 connection reset by peer on X server :0.0 after 0 requests... anyone know whats wrong, how to fix this? |
| 19:05.27 | jjazz | abrotman: I hear we just signed barbaro. If his rehab goes well, he pinch runs. Low cost, high upside. How can it go wrong? |
| 19:05.28 | abrotman | blondie: hey .. i'll always ask .. unless it's a URL that isn't to be public |
| 19:05.38 | stew | RolandU: you do not have the yaird package installed right? |
| 19:05.53 | abrotman | jjazz: he'll just suck ? |
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| 19:06.03 | stew | dusty-: apt-get install xorg |
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| 19:06.20 | jjazz | abrotman: No. That's T-Long's job. |
| 19:06.49 | stew | dusty-: please file a bug report, its important that these issues get fixed /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:06.54 | abrotman | jjazz: did the Gov'ner have any rough comments today? |
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| 19:07.15 | jjazz | abrotman: Not that I saw. He's not all there anymore. |
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| 19:08.19 | Vme | i don't see an "nv" module in the linux kernel? |
| 19:08.30 | Vme | i'm looking under Device drivers --> graphics |
| 19:08.37 | RolandU | stew - I never had to find out whether something is installed or not. what's the command for that? |
| 19:08.55 | Vme | nvidiafb: nVidia device/chipset 10DE0326 |
| 19:09.05 | Vme | nvidiafb but that is it? |
| 19:09.36 | stew | RolandU: does "dpkg -l packagename" start with ii if so its installed, if its pn or nc its not installed |
| 19:10.03 | Vme | i have an Nvidia PCI not AGP |
| 19:10.16 | csmiller | rolandu - apt-show-versions also tells you its version, if installed |
| 19:10.29 | genelisp | does anyone know how pam works? |
| 19:10.32 | csmiller | vme - does lspci tell you anything usefull? |
| 19:10.50 | RolandU | yaird is not installed |
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| 19:11.31 | Vme | i think i just found it |
| 19:12.03 | Vme | no |
| 19:12.10 | Vme | i just found the nvidia AGP support |
| 19:12.14 | Vme | i need PCI |
| 19:12.47 | Vme | or do you think they both work? |
| 19:12.55 | Vme | or the driver will work for both? |
| 19:13.11 | stew | RolandU: check the bts for initramfs-tools |
| 19:13.29 | stew | Vme: nv is the name of the x driver, not a kernel module |
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| 19:13.52 | RolandU | stew, I installed that. |
| 19:13.54 | stew | genelisp: can you ask a more specific quesiton? |
| 19:14.01 | stew | RolandU: installed what? |
| 19:14.07 | RolandU | initramfs-tools |
| 19:14.10 | stew | RolandU: was that not installed before you had the problem? |
| 19:14.10 | astronut | dondelelcaro: anything going to be in topic about the move? |
| 19:14.11 | Vme | hrm |
| 19:14.17 | Vme | ok |
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| 19:15.14 | RolandU | it was installed |
| 19:15.22 | RolandU | oh, sorry |
| 19:15.39 | RolandU | I confused that.... |
| 19:16.02 | abrotman | astronut: it really shouldn't affect taht much .. |
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| 19:17.00 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it hurts when you do that |
| 19:17.12 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: But you like it and you know it. |
| 19:17.15 | johnsu01 | I'm experiencing javascript problems on my unstable system in firefox.. Lots of things at reddit, digg are not working.. |
| 19:17.23 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you have to stop feeding me that much beer |
| 19:17.28 | Faust | Hello again! I am still looking for a possibility to use the intelfb directly during startup and not vesafb! Any hints would be apreciated!!! |
| 19:17.37 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Moorer beer is gooder. |
| 19:17.41 | abrotman | yayer! |
| 19:17.49 | astronut | abrotman: lots of people connect to freenode specifically, not just irc.debian.org |
| 19:17.54 | RolandU | I have another, very small problem: my system clock is too fast. I am gaining about 5 minutes per day. |
| 19:18.05 | astronut | (i do both, but not #debian on oftc) |
| 19:18.18 | SerajewelKS | what, freenode is moving? |
| 19:18.43 | dusty- | stew, It says i had xorg installed already .... |
| 19:18.46 | dusty- | anyone know howto fix it? |
| 19:20.14 | abrotman | astronut: and? |
| 19:20.14 | csmiller | rolandu - ntp can tweak your clock rate |
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| 19:20.17 | abrotman | astronut: this channel won't cease to exist |
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| 19:20.19 | csmiller | csmiller as well ask keeping your clock on time |
| 19:20.20 | RolandU | is there a tool that will periodically sync my clock with the time-servers (like windows does)? |
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| 19:20.21 | tobzter | RolandU: apt-get install ntp-date |
| 19:20.22 | Ronin | blondie: nothing wrong withit, heck its not always sunday there so thats a + :) |
| 19:20.23 | stew | !debwiki dusty- Xorg69To7 |
| 19:20.23 | dpkg | dusty-: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 19:20.23 | peppet | RolandU: ntpdate |
| 19:20.25 | abrotman | !tell roland about ntp |
| 19:20.27 | byteshack | my /usr/bin/python points to python2.3, how can I change that to be python2.4? |
| 19:20.32 | stew | dusty-: please make sure to file a bug /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:20.44 | byteshack | do I just change the symlink? or is there a more "debian" way of doing that? |
| 19:20.50 | abrotman | byteshack: it's not really a good idea |
| 19:20.51 | blondie | Ronin: and you think it'll stay that way forever? |
| 19:21.20 | byteshack | so, I should just leave the python link to point to 2.3? is that what you meant? |
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| 19:21.39 | Ronin | blondie: shh dont distroy it for me |
| 19:21.41 | lord_rob | Hi ! How do I enable OSS emulation with alsa ? First how can I check it is not enabled already ? |
| 19:21.53 | RolandU | peppet, tobzter, csmiller: thanks, that should help |
| 19:22.04 | blondie | Ronin: seems pointless to me wanting to "move" the channel |
| 19:22.08 | garo | In which file can I put commands that should execute at boot on a debian ? |
| 19:22.30 | abrotman | blondie: they have "reasons" |
| 19:22.38 | blondie | like what? |
| 19:22.49 | abrotman | blondie: check the archives for debian-project list |
| 19:22.50 | stew | blondie: /msg dpkg irc.debian.org |
| 19:23.08 | abrotman | who wrote that factoid?! |
| 19:23.11 | byteshack | abrotman: bad idea to set python2.4 as my default? |
| 19:23.12 | astronut | abrotman: yes, but the "official support" will be on OFTC |
| 19:23.20 | astronut | and i think that deserves recognition *shrug* |
| 19:23.23 | abrotman | byteshack: yes |
| 19:23.25 | peppet | garo: make your /etc/init.d/local |
| 19:23.29 | stew | abrotman: i did |
| 19:23.39 | zenbum | anyone care to give a one-sentence summary of why the move to oftc? |
| 19:23.43 | Ronin | dont see a good reason actually for it but hey whatever :) |
| 19:23.46 | abrotman | stew: don't make me homonymsmite you |
| 19:23.47 | tobzter | i want to forward my mail for root to my private email adress. so i added a line to /etc/alias root: myemail@email.com that didnt work so i even added a line root@fqdn: myemail@email.com but still, i dont get the mails for root.. but i mails are correctly deliverd with mailx myemail@email.com |
| 19:23.49 | tobzter | any ideasy? |
| 19:24.37 | blondie | do many people use irc.debian.org? |
| 19:24.38 | stew | zenbum: "people wanted to move it" is about as good as you are going to get in one sentence, see the discussion on -project |
| 19:24.44 | garo | peppet: When i create this file, will it automaticly be used or should i install a script in init.d ? |
| 19:24.55 | csmiller | tobzter - did you use "/etc/alias" or "/etc/aliases" ? |
| 19:24.55 | garo | peppet: nevermind |
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| 19:25.09 | emergo | how can I list connected usb devices ? and second, how can I "safely" "remove/eject" usb devices ? |
| 19:25.15 | zenbum | stew: i'm too lazy to dig through the archive |
| 19:25.15 | Ronin | zenbum: and people wanted to move it seems to be the only reason i can find too, oh well :) |
| 19:25.15 | abrotman | stew: i fixed it! :) |
| 19:25.21 | tobzter | csmiller: /etc/aliases sorry |
| 19:26.24 | csmiller | emergo - KDE will list all the USB devices in its Control Centre. If you umount a USB drive any pending writes will be written before the umount returns. It can then be removed |
| 19:26.25 | peppet | emergo: 1) lsusb 2) umount |
| 19:26.36 | stew | abrotman: thanks, what was it, "let"? |
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| 19:26.52 | genelisp | sorry, I missed a message there - could whoever sent it, resend it? |
| 19:26.54 | emergo | csmiller: using gnome and prefer terminal |
| 19:27.02 | emergo | peppet: TY, ill try |
| 19:27.25 | emergo | peppet: I dont have lsusb |
| 19:27.27 | stew | genelisp: /lastlog genelisp |
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| 19:27.43 | giacus | hello |
| 19:27.50 | stew | emergo: install usbutils (/msg dpkg search) |
| 19:28.02 | giacus | any package for ati drivers in Debian testing ? |
| 19:28.16 | dondelelcaro | astronut: proobably, but I haven't bothered to put it there now |
| 19:28.29 | giacus | or, what drivers you suggest ? |
| 19:28.31 | emergo | stew: usbutils latest version (only as root ? ) |
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| 19:28.46 | stew | emergo: "dpkg -L usbutils | grep bin" |
| 19:28.56 | csmiller | giacus For my Radeon I use "deb http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-modules/ ./" |
| 19:28.57 | genelisp | stew: ok, thanks - I'm trying to get an ftp server working, but I can't log in as an user on the system, and I can't figure out why. I've done some googling, and it's come up that it may be something to do with pam, I'm using vsftpd |
| 19:29.15 | lord_rob | csmiller: those drivers are now in sid |
| 19:29.28 | csmiller | lord_rob: sweet |
| 19:29.46 | giacus | csmiller: Xorg ver. is 6.9.0, should be ok ? |
| 19:29.47 | lord_rob | csmiller: sid/non-free of course |
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| 19:30.00 | aigis | DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER 0 0 0 |
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| 19:30.11 | emergo | stew: its in /usr/bin, must have lost it from path then ? |
| 19:30.11 | aigis | hahaha |
| 19:30.12 | stew | !ops aigis exploiter |
| 19:30.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: aigis exploiter |
| 19:30.12 | aigis | DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER 0 0 0 |
| 19:30.23 | abrotman | HAHA .. K-liner! |
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| 19:30.35 | csmiller | giacus I'm using stable atm. If can ever get the bittorrents to work, I'll try testing |
| 19:30.43 | RichiH | stew: ta |
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| 19:30.47 | emergo | stew: bash: /usr/bin/lsusb: No such file or directory |
| 19:30.48 | zimnyx | I'm looking for some backports with tomcat5 for Sarge. Did you met any? |
| 19:30.50 | stew | RichiH: thank you |
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| 19:30.53 | giacus | csmiller: tthanks |
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| 19:30.58 | giacus | I'll try it |
| 19:31.00 | RichiH | stew: thank LoRez, in this case |
| 19:31.04 | RichiH | still, thanks for reporting |
| 19:31.06 | johnsu01 | Can someone with the most recent firefox unstable package check out this javascript problem? Or suggest what else might be wrong? Digg and reddit are both unusable at the moment. |
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| 19:31.09 | mentor | I love the smell of KLines in the morning |
| 19:31.12 | stew | emergo: apt-get install --reinstall usbutils |
| 19:31.19 | stew | mentor: smells like victory |
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| 19:31.32 | johnsu01 | For example, the captcha form on digg's comment form is not even showing up. |
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| 19:32.14 | johnsu01 | Good to know that this captcha requires javascript. Reason #209 for me not to like it. |
| 19:32.15 | astronut | dondelelcaro: /topic *Please note: the official debian channel will be moving to irc.oftc.net on June 4th* STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 19:32.17 | lord_rob | wow does typing "DCC SEND (I won't type the rest)" make so many people crashing ? |
| 19:32.23 | Aboooo | Some one got an idea? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=5294 |
| 19:32.27 | RolandU | what's a good place for things that should be run at boottime? |
| 19:32.50 | tobzter | RolandU: what things? |
| 19:33.10 | abrotman | lord_rob: router issu |
| 19:33.11 | RolandU | ahm, sorry, I ment programs |
| 19:33.11 | abrotman | issue |
| 19:33.12 | csmiller | rolandu - they are started by /etc/initd |
| 19:33.13 | patterson | oh golly , why is the response alway "what things?" |
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| 19:33.29 | johnsu01 | haha, nm, I'm a doofus. |
| 19:33.52 | patterson | being *x dumb myself |
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| 19:34.35 | tobzter | patterson: ? |
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| 19:34.48 | patterson | I can make a guess . |
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| 19:36.15 | patterson | given the multiple ways win2k/xp can startup apps or services |
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| 19:36.41 | emergo | stew: usbutils | grep bin, gives me /usr/bin/lsusb which is a symlink to ../sbin/lsusb which doesnt exist .... dpkg --purge unable cause of dependencies |
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| 19:36.47 | csmiller | patterson Is it a daemon, or an X-app? |
| 19:37.12 | patterson | oh golly. *nix . not*x stupid . or maybe both |
| 19:37.17 | grendal_prime | got the webdav working...pretty cool |
| 19:37.27 | grendal_prime | but kopete does not support it...not cool |
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| 19:38.22 | stew | emergo: "/usr/sbin/lsusb" doesn't exist? have you tried --reinstalling the package? |
| 19:38.25 | grendal_prime | kinda strange because well...kopet is so much a part of kde |
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| 19:38.32 | patterson | csmiller , presume thats why the response is always "what kind of thing are you trying to start on boot" |
| 19:38.36 | emergo | stew: yes |
| 19:38.37 | grendal_prime | you would think that webdav would just naturally be supported |
| 19:38.44 | abrotman | astronut: you could maybe have yourself or stew add it to the Status page instead ? |
| 19:39.03 | tobzter | i want to forward my mail for root to my private email adress. so i added a line to /etc/alias root: myemail@email.com that didnt work so i even added a line root@fqdn: myemail@email.com but still, i dont get the mails for root.. but i mails are correctly deliverd with mailx myemail@email.com |
| 19:39.21 | stew | emergo: yes to which |
| 19:39.27 | emergo | stew: ls: /usr/sbin/lsusb: No such file or directory |
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| 19:40.10 | emergo | stew: apt-get install --reinstall usbutils doesnt change it |
| 19:40.13 | stew | emergo: what version of usbutils do you have installed? |
| 19:40.15 | csmiller | patterson take a look at the scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 19:40.43 | emergo | stew: I have a chroot installed aswell, maybe something went wrong there |
| 19:40.55 | emergo | im not in it now though |
| 19:41.21 | patterson | oh i did. way back when I had hair and shrubs dad was the incumbent |
| 19:41.54 | semboy | i am trying to install a driver for my computer A (video driver Nvidia) But i get someshitt like command not found i did -> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx Than -> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings And than -> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup Than this stuff Command not found semboy@SigurNafnjesu:~$ nvidia-glx-config enable bash: nvidia-glx-config: command not found -WHAT IS WRONG someone help anybody please |
| 19:42.14 | csmiller | patterson - well that is how to do it. I'm sure there's an example that daemonises a normal app |
| 19:42.22 | patterson | oh yeah |
| 19:42.40 | emergo | stew: dpkg -L lsusb Package `lsusb' is not installed. even though I reinstalled it ... |
| 19:42.42 | patterson | make things as simple as possibe. and no more |
| 19:42.46 | patterson | l |
| 19:42.59 | emergo | stew: dpkg -S lsusb usbutils: /usr/bin/lsusb ' |
| 19:42.59 | stew | emergo: there is no lsusb package in debian |
| 19:43.37 | emergo | stew: usbutils, sorry versjon 0.72-2 |
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| 19:43.55 | stew | !find sbin/lsusb unstable |
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| 19:44.02 | Donvito | hi |
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| 19:44.25 | yggdrasil | helo, can somone poitn in the right direction for doing netboot . on a computer with no hard rive not an install but i want to create the image for this computer and it will never have a hard drive. |
| 19:44.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/lsusb' (1): (/usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils. |
| 19:44.39 | stew | emergo: checked the bts? |
| 19:45.24 | tobzter | csmiller: you dont have an init script and you are too lazy to write one just add this line to your /etc/crontab file |
| 19:45.30 | emergo | stew: no |
| 19:45.34 | tobzter | @reboot /usr/bin/application |
| 19:45.35 | stew | !dbugs 368014 |
| 19:45.38 | dpkg | DONE:#368014:N[usbutils] usbutils: /usr/sbin/lsusb missing; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:18:02 UTC |
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| 19:46.03 | emergo | stew: what did you mean !find ... ? |
| 19:46.12 | patterson | maybe there is a case for nvidia opening up their drivers |
| 19:46.22 | patterson | uh. the same old same old |
| 19:46.31 | patterson | many eyes and busy fingers |
| 19:46.36 | stew | emergo: i was asking the bot to search for it in the package lists. it found it in the usbutils package |
| 19:46.47 | stew | emergo: but look at #368014 |
| 19:46.54 | emergo | stew: what does that do ? TY for the bts, I apt-get update to see |
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| 19:47.29 | stew | emergo: what does what do, the find? it runs apt-file search, and verifies that the current unstable version of usbutils does in fact contain a /usr/sbin/lsusb |
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| 19:48.04 | emergo | stew: I ment the !find command, but you answered |
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| 19:50.41 | beered | Anyone knows where can I get a nice Debian dressy shirt? By dressy shirt I DO NOT mean stuff like this: http://tinyurl.com/owce4 |
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| 19:51.14 | tobzter | haha nice link beered |
| 19:51.18 | junix|work | is php5 backported to stable? |
| 19:51.33 | pzn | Hi! I need to install Debian in an old AMD-K6 that BIOS does not allow booting from CD. is there any "bootable floppy" that boots from floppy and redirect boot to CDROM? |
| 19:51.35 | stew | junix|work: yes, http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 19:51.46 | junix|work | stew: is it safe to install?? |
| 19:51.55 | stew | junix|work: i don't know |
| 19:52.00 | junix|work | or shou,ld i upgrade?? |
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| 19:53.16 | green_earz | pzn: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
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| 19:53.56 | stew | junix|work: if your choices are try backports.org or run a server on testing/unstable, i'd definately try backports first |
| 19:54.14 | junix|work | stew: that's exactly the answer i wanted |
| 19:54.36 | pzn | green_earz, I would not like to create many floppies to install. what I'd like is a "grub/other disk" that I can tell it to boot from cdrom... |
| 19:54.57 | pzn | green_earz, thanks anyway for your hint. |
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| 19:55.28 | emergo | stew: you said umount the usb device, but how ? lsusb show bus number and Device and ID, how? |
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| 19:56.13 | green_earz | pzn: there only two floppy that you need so to do a net install |
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| 19:56.49 | stew | emergo: you don't unmount a usb device unless it is a mounted disk. what type of device is it? |
| 19:56.52 | pzn | green_earz, no net... just 1 cdrom here :-) |
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| 19:58.40 | emergo | stew: webcam and external hard disk ! |
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| 19:59.07 | abrotman | i'd like you to unmount the webcam |
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| 19:59.37 | emergo | stew: vmware says its the webcam is busy (used by the host os) and it didnt help to unplug |
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| 20:00.07 | gnube | g'day! |
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| 20:00.31 | emergo | stew: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:08b2 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 4000 |
| 20:00.35 | gnube | There should be no issue running exim4 behind stunnel, right? |
| 20:01.06 | gnube | Right now I have my pop deamon behind stunnel but I want users to be encrypted when they send mail too. |
| 20:01.28 | gnube | I have used GnuTLS in the past but it is buggy and is not getting fixed. |
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| 20:04.11 | emergo | stew: hmm, lsub doesnt show It when I disconnect |
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| 20:05.08 | ricochet | bug? I don't know enough about how this works to submit a bug, but this caught my attention when I did it (in konsole): user@domain:~$ su - \ Password: ASdJ3 \ root@domain:~# < the machine was under some load (network/mail stuff), it didnt show the WHOLE password, but the first 6 chars showed up. |
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| 20:05.51 | chealer | ricochet: it's normal |
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| 20:06.17 | ricochet | chealer: ok... it shouldn't be... |
| 20:06.46 | chealer | ricochet: wait, the password displays *after* the "Password:" prompt? |
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| 20:06.51 | Heebie | Hello. Is there anyplace where I can find the file bootstrap.tar.gz on an ftp site? I need to bootstrap a system and I can't find bootstrap anywhere. (including the debian website and the mirrors.) |
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| 20:07.01 | ricochet | chealer: i can see if it was before Password: was displayed. this was AFTER |
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| 20:07.26 | astronut | abrotman: eh? i don't have wiki account - never bothered |
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| 20:07.46 | bkudria | i'm trying to install vmware workstation, but it says: "The kernel defined by this directory of header files does not have the same address space size as your running kernel." when it tries to build a kernel module (the directory is /usr/src/linux/include)...i have debian's stock linux image and linux headers packages installed (2.6.16-1-k7)...what gives? |
| 20:08.19 | chealer | ricochet: ignore what I said then, I don't know |
| 20:08.29 | ricochet | chealer: it accepted the password. |
| 20:08.56 | chealer | ricochet: hum...sorry, I don't know |
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| 20:14.11 | StyXman | Heebie: what about debootstrap? |
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| 20:14.56 | Buchannon | can anyone help me with ruby on rails? there are some people in both of those chanels but no one is talking |
| 20:14.57 | humblebit | Does anyone here have a notabook with a Poenix BIOS? It's about acpi issues (LCD brighteness control for example) |
| 20:15.18 | humblebit | Phoenix BIOS |
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| 20:15.54 | StyXman | humblebit: you *had* tried google, right? |
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| 20:16.40 | humblebit | StyXman, of course I had; I just want to know if there is any good news |
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| 20:17.52 | humblebit | StyXman, a gentoo user has reported about a kernel module that works with phoenix acpi in toshiba mailing list... would that be possible? |
| 20:18.20 | StyXman | humblebit: link? |
| 20:19.13 | Vme | i just switched video cards in my computer, how can i reconfigure X? |
| 20:19.20 | Vme | debconfig x11-common? |
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| 20:19.41 | humblebit | StyXman, http://linux.toshiba-dme.co.jp/ML/tlinux-users/7000/7041.html |
| 20:20.03 | onetinsoldier | dpkg-reconfigure -plow <x-server-name> |
| 20:20.19 | onetinsoldier | !drxx |
| 20:20.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 20:20.37 | onetinsoldier | i recommend using the 'plow' option |
| 20:20.47 | onetinsoldier | * -plow |
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| 20:23.34 | humblebit | StyXman, sorry, wrong link, this is it: http://linux.toshiba-dme.co.jp/ML/tlinux-users/7000/7065.html |
| 20:23.48 | stew | onetinsoldier: low is the default option, so -plow shouldnt' do anything |
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| 20:24.28 | StyXman | humblebit: maybe gentoo has a patch for it |
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| 20:25.33 | onetinsoldier | stew: oh? it seems to me that when i've used the 'plow' option i was asked all the questions, whereas i was not asked all the questions when i did not use. |
| 20:25.53 | Teddy | hi, I have done an apt-get install kwin and it was installing a lot of packages ; it stopped over an error with overwriting /usr/X11R6/bin and now I'm stuck with this error whatever I try to do, can anybody help me out ? |
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| 20:26.24 | stew | onetinsoldier: from the manpage: "Specify the minimum priority of question that will be displayed. dpkg-reconfigure normally shows low priority questions no matter what your default priority is. See debconf(7) for a list." |
| 20:26.52 | stew | onetinsoldier: if you are seeing behaviour which is inconsistent with that, please file a bug |
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| 20:27.21 | debzbox | hello good people |
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| 20:27.24 | onetinsoldier | ok... because I am pretty sure |
| 20:27.35 | grendal_prime | debzbox, suckup...what do you want? |
| 20:27.39 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 20:27.41 | debzbox | could someone give me the command line to configure my video card please? |
| 20:27.45 | onetinsoldier | i will try going through it again and see what happens |
| 20:27.49 | debzbox | haha grendal :-) |
| 20:27.51 | stew | !drxx debzbox |
| 20:27.51 | dpkg | debzbox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:27.57 | debzbox | thank you |
| 20:28.31 | calmar | !xmd5 |
| 20:28.32 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 20:28.32 | grendal_prime | damn that workds great....ok hold on a second... |
| 20:28.39 | grendal_prime | hello good people.. |
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| 20:29.09 | grendal_prime | can anyone give me a script that will allow me to use webdav as a jabber file transport? |
| 20:29.34 | debzbox | brb thanks |
| 20:30.01 | grendal_prime | or...a plugin of some sort that will alow me to use webdav as a transport for kopete |
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| 20:33.50 | Teddy | can anyone help me out with apt-get? I have launched an install which didn't work and now all I can do is apt-get -f install and run into the same error every time |
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| 20:35.04 | grendal_prime | error? |
| 20:35.31 | Teddy | it said it was trying to overwitre /usr/X11R6/bin and coudlnt do it |
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| 20:35.43 | stew | Teddy: which package? |
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| 20:35.55 | stew | last time someone here had that problem it was opera |
| 20:35.58 | Teddy | the cmd i ran was apt-get install kwin |
| 20:36.14 | stew | Teddy: which package is trying to overwrite /usr/X11R6/bin? |
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| 20:37.44 | Teddy | and the problem comes up when dealing with x11-common_1%3a7.0.20_i396.deb |
| 20:38.08 | Teddy | 'which is also in package fglrx-4-3-0' |
| 20:38.23 | Teddy | then it stops |
| 20:38.45 | stew | Teddy: the fglrx pacakge is broken then |
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| 20:39.27 | sloncho | hi. sudo / sudoers q: I have this: http://pastebin.com/733724. The idea is, that the firewall script can be executed by fwadmin members w/o password, and %wheel users can exec everything, but with passowrd. my user is member to both groups, and is required password even for the fw script. What is wrong, why I can not execute the fw script w/o password? |
| 20:39.33 | stew | Teddy: (and that isn't a debian package) |
| 20:39.39 | Teddy | stew: should i remove it then ? |
| 20:39.43 | stew | yes |
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| 20:40.39 | Teddy | stew: i did apt-get remove fglrx-4-3-0 and it says i should do apt-get -f install |
| 20:40.46 | Teddy | but that will only bring me back to the other error |
| 20:40.55 | bitfrog | haven't used debian for a while, just booted up.... it seems like all my apt source urls has been out of date.. |
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| 20:41.07 | giacus | hi |
| 20:41.12 | onetinsoldier | stew: apparently dpkg-reconfigure is working like it should. :) don't what i saw or think i was seeing before. |
| 20:41.27 | patterson | oh theres a question |
| 20:41.30 | bitfrog | where can I get a copy of the latest copy of apt source urls for unstable and testing |
| 20:41.31 | onetinsoldier | so it's all good |
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| 20:41.39 | bitfrog | thnx |
| 20:41.42 | stew | onetinsoldier: thanks for investigating |
| 20:41.43 | patterson | how to update sources.list |
| 20:41.51 | onetinsoldier | yep.. np |
| 20:41.55 | Gnurdux | why isn't bzflag in testing anymore? |
| 20:42.00 | giacus | after an update, yesterday Xorg won't work on Debian testing. I'm very tired, can I downgrade to Xfree86 ? |
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| 20:42.04 | stew | bitfrog: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:42.29 | stew | giacus: no. what is wrong with it? do you get an error? |
| 20:42.52 | stew | patterson: which version of debian are you running? |
| 20:42.55 | giacus | stew: I'm running xorg with a vesa driver, having ati 9600 256 mb .. |
| 20:42.57 | Gary | bzflag is not in testing? |
| 20:43.10 | patterson | and whats the criteria for choosing said sources.list |
| 20:43.20 | patterson | if i have it right |
| 20:43.23 | stew | Gary: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 20:43.33 | Gary | that's a good game |
| 20:43.43 | stew | Gary: and /msg dpkg why is bzflag not in testing |
| 20:43.50 | Gnurdux | Gary, it isnt right now |
| 20:43.59 | onetinsoldier | anyone able to help with getting a gamepad working? i make the device files with mknod(which are removed with a reboot) and modprobe the modules, but no dice. |
| 20:44.03 | Gnurdux | cause i was just checkig to see if 2.0.8 was in testing yet, on the site |
| 20:44.09 | giacus | stew: The following packages have unmet dependencies: xserver-xorg-video-ati: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 1:0.99.0-1) but it is not installable |
| 20:44.17 | Gnurdux | and there isnt any version of bzflag in testing right now |
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| 20:44.28 | Gnurdux | but a couple weeks ago, the upgraded to 2.0.6 |
| 20:44.28 | stew | giacus: you are trying to mix testing and unstable? |
| 20:44.38 | giacus | stew: absolutely not |
| 20:44.39 | Gnurdux | 2.0.6 had some bugs, so maybe thats why they took it out |
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| 20:44.49 | stew | !+info xserver-xorg-video-ati testing |
| 20:44.51 | Mawze_ | hi, question: I started a "yum update" on my server, lost the connection while it was updating. The tty session still looks open when I type in "who", is it possible to reconnect to the session? |
| 20:44.51 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 20:45.25 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-ati: (X.Org X server -- ATI display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:6.5.8.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 324 kB, Installed size: 828 kB |
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| 20:45.29 | Gnurdux | Mawze_, why would you be using yum on debian? |
| 20:45.32 | jhenn | does debian stable have any system requirements? |
| 20:45.45 | stew | jhenn: /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:45.54 | Mawze_ | sorry, wrong channel. (my mistake) |
| 20:45.57 | Gnurdux | lol |
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| 20:46.08 | marculix | jhenn: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 20:46.10 | Mawze_ | at any rate, is it even possible? |
| 20:46.13 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 20:46.16 | Gnurdux | yum is in APT |
| 20:46.46 | Gnurdux | if you wanted to install RPMs cause there wasn't a deb available, and you wanted to fetch em from a repo, you could use yum |
| 20:47.22 | Mawze_ | Gnurdux: is it possible to reconnect to an already open tty connection? |
| 20:47.35 | Gnurdux | what type of connection? |
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| 20:47.49 | Mawze_ | pts/1 |
| 20:48.01 | Gnurdux | just start a new session |
| 20:48.05 | Mawze_ | i am currently in pts/2 |
| 20:48.13 | Gnurdux | just kill the old one |
| 20:48.15 | Oyst3X | hi all |
| 20:48.29 | Mawze_ | uh yeah, it is running an update in the first one |
| 20:48.39 | Gnurdux | what happened to it? |
| 20:48.44 | Mawze_ | dunno |
| 20:48.50 | Mawze_ | trying to connect to it to find out |
| 20:48.54 | Gnurdux | is it still updating |
| 20:49.01 | Gnurdux | well |
| 20:49.04 | Gnurdux | type top |
| 20:49.05 | Mawze_ | no clue |
| 20:49.08 | Gnurdux | see if its working' |
| 20:49.11 | Mawze_ | it is |
| 20:49.15 | Mawze_ | should I just leave it |
| 20:49.18 | Mawze_ | ? |
| 20:49.20 | Gnurdux | leave it until its done |
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| 20:49.23 | Gnurdux | or interrupt it |
| 20:49.36 | Mawze_ | ok |
| 20:49.37 | Mawze_ | great |
| 20:49.38 | Gnurdux | apt usually works fine after being interrupted |
| 20:49.43 | Gnurdux | i dunno about yum |
| 20:50.05 | Mawze_ | next question: looking for a good dedicated server (debian) any sugestions? |
| 20:50.06 | giacus | stew: i'm losting the hope :/ |
| 20:50.23 | Mawze_ | godaddy is cheap ($100/month) |
| 20:50.32 | Mawze_ | unfortunatly they are all on FC2 |
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| 20:51.38 | AromaJohanna | how do I list channels that have 50 or more users in Xchat? |
| 20:51.52 | chealer | AromaJohanna: ask #xchat |
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| 20:52.00 | AromaJohanna | just did, no answer |
| 20:52.28 | Wargod | check google |
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| 20:53.02 | Led_Zeppelin | how do I know what type of RAM i am running on my system, 3200 or 2800? |
| 20:53.05 | Led_Zeppelin | is there a way to find out? |
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| 20:53.50 | Gnurdux | Mawze_, what for? |
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| 20:53.58 | Gnurdux | whats the dedicated server for? |
| 20:54.10 | tmh_ | Are there any dh-make -type scripts to create a directory tree for a PHP web app package? |
| 20:54.11 | Seb_le_S1 | concerning dedicated servers, for french readers: http://www.dedibox.fr/ |
| 20:54.17 | onetinsoldier | Led_Zeppelin: i'm not certain but i think memtest might tell you |
| 20:54.17 | jhenn | would debian stable run good on a 366mhz with 256mb ram? |
| 20:54.34 | tmh_ | or can I just d/l a PHP web app, reverse engineer it and put my code there? |
| 20:54.36 | ttchmnkyz | hey all i am trying to get dspam to work on my debian box, i am having a problem with GD::Image i have installed every pack i can find using apt-cache search to install it. the error i get is... Can't locate object method "png" via package "GD::Image" at /var/www/dspam/admingraph.cgi line 86. Any help someone could give me would help soooo much... thanks in advance... |
| 20:54.40 | onetinsoldier | Led_Zeppelin: www.memtest.org |
| 20:54.45 | jjazz | jhenn: Without an xserver, sure. |
| 20:55.07 | jhenn | jjazz, im running X on it now in another GNU/Linux |
| 20:55.10 | Led_Zeppelin | is it a good idea to Mix up RAM speeds? like 3200 and 2800? |
| 20:55.19 | Gnurdux | are any developers here? |
| 20:55.20 | amphi | jhenn: it would find with X and a lightish wm |
| 20:55.29 | jhenn | Led_Zeppelin, #hardware |
| 20:55.39 | jhenn | amphi, um it refreshes so slowly |
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| 20:55.43 | amphi | jhenn: I ran debian on a 266MHz 64MB RAM laptop fine |
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| 20:56.01 | aeichner | Hi all, does anyone know what's up on the PPC channel? Or has anyone a G3 iBook? Need to know wich keymap to use... |
| 20:56.03 | ttchmnkyz | anyone?? |
| 20:56.08 | amphi | jhenn: with X and blackbox |
| 20:56.21 | jjazz | jhenn: Then go for it. I found a 500mhz 125mb machine to be a little too slow for comfortable graphical browsing, but if it works for you, then do it. |
| 20:56.30 | Rexxie | ttchmnkyz: you might be missing libpng, or the GD version you're using is old and doesn't support PNG |
| 20:56.30 | onetinsoldier | Led_Zeppelin: it's really best to have the 'exact' same memory modules, but they can be mixed(to a degree). the one with a higher speed will drop to match the lower speed |
| 20:56.31 | jhenn | amphi, im using gnome right now and its running pretty good just visual lag i don't understnad |
| 20:56.34 | tmh_ | ttchmnkyz: have you tried googling that error with quotation marks? or aptitude search png? |
| 20:57.00 | Teddy | stew: i can not fin a way to remove this broken package, do you know of a solution ? |
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| 20:57.07 | amphi | jhenn: I wouldn't run gnome on such a machine (or at all for that matter ;) |
| 20:57.17 | Led_Zeppelin | onetinsoldier, hmm okay. |
| 20:57.34 | Warbo | Hello, I have asked this here before but now I need it again. I need to know what options to give to dpkg to completely reinstall a package (it is needed by the system, so I cannot purge then reinstall it) but all configs and binaries and everything need to be reinstalled. Thanks |
| 20:57.41 | amphi | jhenn: did you try a lighter wm, like openbox, for example? |
| 20:57.49 | jhenn | amphi, no i will though |
| 20:58.05 | amphi | Warbo: apt-get install --reinstall should do it |
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| 20:58.20 | Warbo | amphi: No, I need to do the equivalent of purge |
| 20:58.45 | amphi | Warbo: why? |
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| 20:59.05 | Mawze_ | <Gnurdux> - Re: Dedicated Server - a couple of websites, jabber server, java portal |
| 20:59.41 | Warbo | amphi: Because mkinitramfs hangs whenever it tries to do anything (either reinstalling it or installing a new kernel) and I think completely reinstalling it will help |
| 20:59.42 | Mawze_ | <Gnurdux> - Why Debian - Guy next door claims debian is the best ... |
| 20:59.44 | Teddy | hi all, i'm stuck with apt-get, an install went wrong and now all it will do is apt-get -f install and run in the same error over and over, can anyone help me out ? |
| 20:59.45 | Gnurdux | Mawze_, is it just a hobby, or for an organization or something |
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| 21:00.13 | Mawze_ | <Gnurdux> - two site on it are for an organization |
| 21:00.19 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:00.21 | ttchmnkyz | ok jonz now i get this crap.... [Tue May 23 15:58:54 2006] [error] [client 192.168.98.4] BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/www/dspam/admingraph.cgi line 22., referer: http://dspam/admin.cgi |
| 21:00.23 | Mawze_ | <Gnurdux> - The rest are hobies |
| 21:00.25 | Gnurdux | what organization? |
| 21:00.34 | Mawze_ | hobbies |
| 21:00.54 | Mawze_ | <Gnurdux> - comunity websites |
| 21:00.58 | Mawze_ | community |
| 21:01.05 | Gnurdux | cause i just host on my home box |
| 21:01.12 | Gnurdux | and it works fine |
| 21:01.16 | Gnurdux | and its free |
| 21:01.18 | Mawze_ | can't do that here |
| 21:01.19 | Gnurdux | but illegal |
| 21:01.26 | Mawze_ | really? |
| 21:01.35 | Mawze_ | slow ADSL connection |
| 21:01.35 | Gnurdux | really what? |
| 21:01.40 | Mawze_ | illegal |
| 21:01.47 | Gnurdux | yea |
| 21:01.48 | Gnurdux | well |
| 21:01.51 | Gnurdux | not exactly |
| 21:01.56 | Gnurdux | but ISPs all ban it |
| 21:02.01 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:02.01 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:02.08 | Gnurdux | in their terms of service |
| 21:02.35 | Mawze_ | wouldn't even try from here, no reliable ISP. All resellers for the gov't anyway |
| 21:02.42 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 21:02.55 | Mawze_ | Amman, Jordan. |
| 21:03.12 | Mawze_ | Jordan Telecom = Only real ISP, all the rest are resellers |
| 21:03.37 | madclicker | anyone tried to use software raid with the etch installer. Twice after install I cant boot the system all i get is buzybox |
| 21:04.25 | Mawze_ | although, they are not all bad. Watched them lay a fibre backbone not to far from our house |
| 21:04.41 | Mawze_ | prob. take them 10 years to get it to the home user though |
| 21:04.41 | Warbo | How do I tell dpkg to completely reinstall a needed system package (so I can't use purge)? |
| 21:04.46 | Mawze_ | everything here works backwards |
| 21:04.53 | amphi | !tell Gnurdux about enter |
| 21:04.57 | tarzeau | Warbo: --reinstall |
| 21:05.04 | repp | Warbo: apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
| 21:05.12 | Warbo | tarzeau: I need a complete reinstall of the package |
| 21:05.43 | Gnurdux | amphi, actually the only reason i came on was the vanishing of bzflag in testing... is that because its being upated? |
| 21:05.59 | amphi | dunno, I run stable here |
| 21:06.04 | Warbo | I am assuming that a complete reinstall will help, considering that the main problem is that it hangs whilst using --reinstall ! |
| 21:06.36 | Gnurdux | what I need is a dev |
| 21:06.44 | repp | Warbo: time to look into the specific package you are dealing with then. |
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| 21:07.18 | Warbo | repp: I came in here a few weeks ago and got an answer straight away (but that was a different package on a different system) |
| 21:07.23 | onetinsoldier | Warbo: just one package? |
| 21:07.27 | Warbo | Yes |
| 21:07.29 | setcode | salut |
| 21:07.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: apply for nm! |
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| 21:08.46 | onetinsoldier | ok... hanf on |
| 21:08.49 | onetinsoldier | *hang |
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| 21:09.07 | Warbo | It was something along the lines of "dpkg -i --install-it-properly-because-my-changes-have-broken-it packagename" (but slightly more sensible!) |
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| 21:10.42 | onetinsoldier | Warbo: try apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
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| 21:13.44 | Warbo | onetinsoldier: IT HANGS! That's why I need to completely reinstall the package! |
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| 21:14.46 | onetinsoldier | what do you mean it hangs? while trying to 'reinstall' the package it get hung duing the reinstall? |
| 21:15.30 | onetinsoldier | when is it hanging? |
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| 21:15.34 | Warbo | onetinsoldier: Synaptic/apt-get/aptitude/dpkg all freeze (yes, I've left ot for days) and I have to killall -s KILL dpkg to stop it |
| 21:15.38 | crazy_penguin | night all! pleasent dreams! |
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| 21:16.06 | runa_ | how can i find w32codecs |
| 21:16.19 | onetinsoldier | Warbo: so you are wanting to reinstall dpkg ...? is that what you are wanting to reinstall? |
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| 21:16.43 | runa_ | it is not on the standart servers |
| 21:17.01 | Warbo | onetinsoldier: Whenever I install a kernel image it hangs on mkinitramfs and update-initramfs |
| 21:17.20 | Warbo | onetinsoldier: But it also hangs when I reinstall/update those |
| 21:17.21 | weasel00|work | how do i apt-get the OTRS2.0 pkg from experimental if i am source.list for testing? |
| 21:17.28 | onetinsoldier | Warbo: what package is it that you are wanting to reinstall? |
| 21:18.02 | sloncho | hi. sudo / sudoers q: I have this: http://pastebin.com/733724. The idea is, that the firewall script can be executed by fwadmin members w/o password, and %wheel users can exec everything, but with passowrd. my user is member to both groups, and is required password even for the fw script. What is wrong, why I can not execute the fw script w/o password? |
| 21:18.02 | Warbo | onetinsoldier: initramfs-tools |
| 21:18.14 | onetinsoldier | Warbo: i want to let you know that the problem you have is a bad one.. could be pretty serious |
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| 21:18.57 | Warbo | onetinsoldier: (I am in Ubuntu BTW, but #ubuntu doesn't seem to know that much about advanced dpkg options, and when I had the same problem in Debian I got an answer here straight away) |
| 21:18.59 | onetinsoldier | Warbo: but you can't reinstall initramfs-tools because dpkg/apt or whatever... is broken. correct? |
| 21:19.07 | ManiacWork | anyone have any experience installing debian on a sunfire v120? |
| 21:19.08 | jjazz | I'm running testing. If I use apt-get pinning and upgrade a specific package to unstable, will future 'apt-get upgrade' commands keep it at unstable, or will it wait until testing passes that version? Thanks. |
| 21:19.19 | Ronin | Warbo: we cant support ubuntu as well its not debian and we dont know how thier stuff works |
| 21:19.39 | Ronin | or doesnt in this case |
| 21:19.55 | Warbo | onetinsoldier: No, mkinitramfs and update-initramfs are broken, but I cannot reinstall then without dpkg hanging unless I completely remove then reinstall (purge) but I obviously can't do that |
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| 21:20.07 | Warbo | Ronin: I know, all I wanted was the dpkg option |
| 21:20.13 | nite613_ | Warbo: Admiting to running ubuntu is a cardinal sin in this channel. FWIW, I'm pretty sure dpkg options aren't going to help you. |
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| 21:20.40 | Ronin | Warbo: and what makes you think a dpkg option for debian will work? not trying to be a smartarse actually :) |
| 21:20.44 | nite613_ | There is likely something wrong with the de-inst scripts in the package in question, which is an ubuntu package |
| 21:20.56 | Warbo | I knew I shouldn't have admitted to using Ubuntu, but I wasn't after a walk-through |
| 21:21.19 | Gnurdux | Warbo, read the topic |
| 21:21.28 | Ronin | Warbo: they would have figured it out :) |
| 21:21.56 | Gnurdux | Warbo, type /topic |
| 21:21.57 | onetinsoldier | Warbo: i'm sorry but i'm lost on a simple concept. that being why you can't purge the package and reinstall it.. unless the problem is that you have a broken 'dpkg' |
| 21:22.08 | Warbo | I had a Debian system where I had to purge/reinstall xorg, but didn't want to remove everything which depended on it. A dpkg option fixed that by purging it before reinstalling (no uninstall needed) |
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| 21:22.23 | Warbo | onetinsoldier: You can't purge system packages |
| 21:22.25 | chealer | jjazz: it will upgrade it to sid until it transitions to Etch. APT will always prefer a current version |
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| 21:22.58 | Warbo | onetinsoldier: Unless I want to rebuild my entire system, in which case I'll just start from scratch |
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| 21:23.30 | onetinsoldier | Warbo: well you can... dpkg --purge --force-depends... at your own risk |
| 21:23.51 | jjazz | chealer: Thanks. |
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| 21:23.54 | Gnurdux | maybe you could combine -P with -i |
| 21:24.08 | zimnyx | I use my laptop in 3 different networks, (2x ethernet, 1x wireless). When i change place i work i must edit /etc/network/interfaces & resolv.conf. Is there some tool that halp me switching between those 3 setups? |
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| 21:24.27 | weasel00|work | how do i apt-get one package from experimental? |
| 21:24.49 | Gnurdux | zimnyx, well the wirelewss and ethernet will be different interfaces, so they will be seperate |
| 21:25.02 | grendal_prime | zimnyx, ya its a pain aint it...i just do it maunally..i know for sure whats going on though |
| 21:25.03 | pipeline | weasel00|work: If you're asking this, you have no business doing that. |
| 21:25.03 | zimnyx | weasel00|work: add unstable to sources.list & apt-get install -t unstable packageName |
| 21:25.06 | ManiacWork | Well I am trying to install from the nightly testing disks through a console on a Sun Sunfire v120. I keep running into issues with the partitioner in that it seems to just run through the progress bar (reaches 100%) and then bombs me to the main menu |
| 21:25.10 | amphi | zimnyx: there are several; apt-cache search laptop network will show some of them |
| 21:25.14 | pipeline | zimnyx: bzzzt |
| 21:25.21 | weasel00|work | zimnyx : thank you =) will do |
| 21:25.26 | pipeline | zimnyx, weasel00|work : If he does that, he has a good chance of hosing his system. |
| 21:25.32 | jjazz | zimnyx: unstable != experimental |
| 21:25.37 | onetinsoldier | weasel00|work: add unstable to you sources.list... then apt-get update, then install the package, then comment out or remove the unstable line from your sources list. then apt-get update again |
| 21:25.37 | zimnyx | ups |
| 21:25.38 | pipeline | jjazz: Either way, it's dead wrong. |
| 21:25.39 | zimnyx | sorry |
| 21:25.49 | pipeline | zimnyx: You were wrong anyway. |
| 21:25.52 | zimnyx | i was talkin only about unstable |
| 21:25.59 | pipeline | onetinsoldier: Also wrong. |
| 21:26.28 | weasel00|work | pipeline : im trying to get OTRS 2 which is currently in experimental.. we are trying to eval ticketing systems to make our lives easier |
| 21:26.29 | pipeline | There is a correct way to do this. If you can't read the documentation for yourself, it's highly inadvisable that you do it. Hence my not enlightening y'all. |
| 21:26.37 | pipeline | weasel00|work: Oh, then you're fucked anyway. |
| 21:26.42 | onetinsoldier | pipeline: well, it how i did it to install vlc |
| 21:26.42 | patterson | oh nuts |
| 21:26.43 | pipeline | weasel00|work: The only decent ticket systems are 40k plus. |
| 21:26.50 | pipeline | weasel00|work: Trust me on this one. It's what I do for a living. |
| 21:26.58 | patterson | ticketing ? |
| 21:27.09 | pipeline | weasel00|work: Ticket systems, as a rule, suck ass. And the ones that don't cost tens of thousands of dollars. |
| 21:27.11 | weasel00|work | pipeline : 40k is well beyond what we can afford lol |
| 21:27.24 | patterson | well. golly |
| 21:27.26 | pipeline | weasel00|work: The free systems aren't good enough to be called "sucky" |
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| 21:27.42 | pipeline | patterson: Err, helpdesk stuff. workflow management. ITIL required software. |
| 21:27.58 | pipeline | patterson: Stuff to coordinate non-sales, IT-specific interactions with customers :P |
| 21:28.02 | patterson | that would seem cheap |
| 21:28.09 | patterson | one suit at a40k |
| 21:28.10 | weasel00|work | pipeline : its better than filling out paperwork and losing track of where things are at.. |
| 21:28.17 | pipeline | weasel00|work: No, not usually. |
| 21:28.17 | jjazz | weasel00|work: Get one of those number dispensers from a bakery. Should only cost you a couple hundred bucks. Then hook up a webcam and train a monkey to pull numbers for people when they refresh the page. You can hire me to set this up for bananas. |
| 21:28.36 | patterson | uh. 4th street in berkeley ? |
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| 21:28.41 | pipeline | weasel00|work: If you don't have the money for the top-shelf stuff, or you don't have a team of full-time developers to customize a cheaper system, you're totally, completely fucked. Use paper. |
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| 21:29.06 | yipstar | hello, debian runs fine on a apple xserve right? |
| 21:29.10 | pipeline | weasel00|work: by the way, it's not uncommon to be kickbanned for "lol" bullshit. |
| 21:29.14 | dondelelcaro | yipstar: it should, yes. |
| 21:29.18 | pipeline | yipstar: For some value of "fine" meaning "slowly" |
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| 21:29.26 | pipeline | yipstar: But pretty much everything runs slowly on an xserve. Nature of the beast. |
| 21:29.34 | yipstar | roger that |
| 21:29.39 | pipeline | yipstar: If you /can/ afford anything else, "anything else" is probably the better choice. |
| 21:29.47 | pipeline | yipstar: Only folks hopelessly locked into Apple products buy the damn things. |
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| 21:30.00 | yipstar | well i'm stuck with this hardware and for the apps i want to use it for speed is not of the essence |
| 21:30.04 | weasel00|work | pipeline : thanks for all the cynicism... i apprecaite that it runs rampant here |
| 21:30.19 | patterson | oh golly. I know Nothing. Nothing . But you might want to ask the godawful Burning Man Folks |
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| 21:30.33 | pipeline | weasel00|work: Tough shit. Ticket systems look easy, but aren't. At all. They're extremely difficult to get right. They command a very high price if you want something that isn't utterly, terribly awful. |
| 21:30.34 | patterson | about their ticketing solution |
| 21:30.45 | pipeline | weasel00|work: There are many problems that look easy. And aren't. |
| 21:31.22 | patterson | its a big a fat database isn't it |
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| 21:31.24 | jjazz | patterson: BMan's ticketing solution is actually pretty crappy in that it doesn't actually work very well. |
| 21:31.32 | patterson | and transaction system |
| 21:31.54 | weasel00|work | never said i was trying to recreate the wheel, just wanted a simple lever |
| 21:31.54 | patterson | well |
| 21:31.54 | pipeline | weasel00|work: And there are many areas of software in which there just plain isn't anything worthwhile that's free. Accounting, ticket systems, CRM, OTP... need I go on? |
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| 21:32.00 | patterson | you have to pay extra for ne that really works |
| 21:32.05 | pipeline | patterson: Every piece of software ever written for use in a business environment can be boiled down to "well it's a big fat database, isn't it?" |
| 21:32.14 | patterson | one |
| 21:32.18 | patterson | heh |
| 21:32.20 | dondelelcaro | weasel00|work: if you're running unstable, you can install single packages from experimental |
| 21:32.30 | dondelelcaro | (in general, anyway) |
| 21:32.39 | patterson | don't forget the transaction thingy ma bob |
| 21:32.40 | unity | hello, does anywhere know if there is a nice easy way to make one debian install a bunch of packages but retrieve the debs from another debian box rather than on the online repositories? |
| 21:32.41 | dondelelcaro | weasel00|work: what type of ticketing system are you looking for anyway? |
| 21:32.48 | pipeline | weasel00|work: Well, to stretch your metaphor, you'll be lucky to find a rusted out piece of iron pipe, much less something suitable for use as a fulcrum. |
| 21:32.49 | weasel00|work | dondelelcaro : am i better compiling from source? |
| 21:32.54 | dondelelcaro | weasel00|work: depends |
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| 21:33.12 | dondelelcaro | unity: you need a real repository somewhere; you can use it to seed apt-proxy, or similar though. |
| 21:33.20 | Bicou | Hello. I have 2 comps, both running VNC servers. On one comp I try to use vncviewer on localhost, but I can't get the thing to work... On the 2nd comp it works perfectly. Check the log: http://pastebin.com/733858 |
| 21:33.22 | dondelelcaro | unity: or you can use apt-ftparchive to turn those packages into a repository |
| 21:33.24 | Bicou | what's the problem? |
| 21:33.35 | |dennis| | Question: Does debian officially support AMD-64 architecture? say, AMD dual core opterons |
| 21:33.48 | dondelelcaro | |dennis|: yes, but we haven't released a stable release for amd64 |
| 21:33.59 | unity | dondelelcaro: okay thanks |
| 21:34.04 | weasel00|work | dondelelcaro : nothing extremely fancy, just a place where customers can post "issues" and they can viewed and reassigned by our small staff. was looking at OTRS and WREQ. |
| 21:34.05 | patterson | wonder where those fellows who wrote the s/w for ACT in SF are today |
| 21:34.10 | onetinsoldier | doh.. experimental. i thought he meant unstable. i wouldn't have a clue on how to get anything from 'experimental' |
| 21:34.25 | patterson | from positevily 4th street |
| 21:34.32 | pipeline | |dennis|: You don' tneed amd64 architecture to use dual opterons. |
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| 21:34.33 | dondelelcaro | weasel00|work: trac, bugzilla, debbugs, ceberus, etc? |
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| 21:34.36 | pipeline | |dennis|: Just install the i386 version. |
| 21:34.41 | pipeline | |dennis|: Most ISVs only support i386 anyway. |
| 21:35.04 | weasel00|work | dondelelcaro : didnt like the feel of bugzilla, ill check out the others you mentioned real quick |
| 21:35.12 | |dennis| | pipeline and dondelcaro thanks |
| 21:35.14 | patterson | dec machines |
| 21:35.17 | pipeline | weasel00|work: Yeah, you don't need anything extremely fancy, just the system that people conventionally pay 10k+ for :P |
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| 21:35.25 | |dennis| | pipeline: so i386 should work and make full use of my processor....hmm..thanks |
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| 21:35.26 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: dude, relax. |
| 21:35.29 | pipeline | |dennis|: Yes. |
| 21:35.48 | Bicou | please? :d |
| 21:35.55 | patterson | oh.golly. grant writing get thee away from me |
| 21:35.57 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: It's a touchy issue. I'm angry that no such decent system exists today, and too cheap / lazy to develop such a thing myself. (Because if I sunk that kind of work into it, you can damn well bet I'd sell it to the captive audience that exists.) |
| 21:35.59 | dondelelcaro | Bicou: if no one answers, no one probably knows. |
| 21:36.16 | pipeline | |dennis|: Beware, however: under i386, no *single process* can use more than 4G of RAM. |
| 21:36.28 | pipeline | |dennis|: The OS can use all of your RAM, but an individual process, a single application, can only use 4G. |
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| 21:36.34 | pipeline | |dennis|: This is not usually a significant limitation :P |
| 21:36.40 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: uh... lots of decent systems exist today... some of them are just adapted to very specific problem sets. |
| 21:36.42 | madclicker | debian debootstrap channel anyone? |
| 21:36.47 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: just ask your question |
| 21:37.01 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: And that problem set isn't interaction with customers or ITIL compliance. You know, the problem that most people looking for a "ticket system" want to solve. |
| 21:37.02 | |dennis| | pipeline: yeah i imagine, thanks a whole bunch ;) |
| 21:37.04 | usual | I just installed debian and I am trying to startx as a user and it says the user does not have permission to access the xserver. Where can I give the user that permission |
| 21:37.25 | pipeline | usual: Install gdm or xdm. |
| 21:37.25 | Warbo | Aha! Thanks onetinsoldier for the --purge --force-depends. I did that then used apt-get -f install and now mkinitramfs works. But... erm... (think how I can still seem smarter)... It took two lines dammit! :) |
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| 21:37.39 | usual | pipeline: I would rather not |
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| 21:38.06 | onetinsoldier | Warbo: hehe... you're welcome |
| 21:38.33 | gratuit | hey, I'm setting up a lcd display that is 20x2, and I want it to display a nice clock that is large enough to read(i.e. not just on one line) anyone know of a program that will do this? |
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| 21:38.49 | jair | how can I say back on the irssi? |
| 21:38.51 | Warbo | onetinsoldier: Now to screw it up again to make a custom boot disc for USB. Well, I'll bother Ubuntu people over that. Bye |
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| 21:39.01 | jair | I was "/away" now I am back |
| 21:39.02 | madclicker | i am trying to install etch for the second time with software raid. Having problems after reboot to get boot the system. When I look at the md device assignment in /etc/fstab it is all messed up "mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory" |
| 21:39.02 | pipeline | jair: esc/meta/alt + p |
| 21:39.14 | pipeline | jair: oh, I thought you meant scrolling up and down. |
| 21:39.23 | jair | haha nope pipeline ;) |
| 21:39.37 | pipeline | jair: entering /away again will set you back |
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| 21:39.48 | jair | pipeline: pipeline thank you very much |
| 21:39.55 | jair | :) |
| 21:40.07 | jair | ok leaving guys take care. |
| 21:40.08 | madclicker | Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory |
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| 21:40.54 | pipeline | madclicker: A pretty straightforward error. Either /proc or /root/proc doesn't exist. Try mounting just "proc" with no path. |
| 21:41.09 | usual | there has to be something I can edit to allow a regular user to run the x server. in the past debian has never stopped a regular user |
| 21:41.22 | weasel00|work | dondelelcaro : whats your experience (if any) with cerberus? |
| 21:41.31 | dondelelcaro | usual: see /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 21:41.52 | usual | ty |
| 21:42.12 | madclicker | pipeline, its the etch installer, with software raid fails to boot, regular install ok. "mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory" Busybox |
| 21:42.13 | dondelelcaro | weasel00|work: not much, I just know it's out there. I personally use debbugs everywhere, but then again, the amount of my code in debbugs keeps growing. |
| 21:42.30 | pipeline | madclicker: solution: install sarge and upgrade to etch. |
| 21:42.36 | pipeline | madclicker: the etch installer is a beta just like etch :P |
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| 21:42.49 | dondelelcaro | usual: you can probably also dpkg-reconfigure x11-common; or similar. |
| 21:42.55 | madclicker | pipeline, i figured, thanks |
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| 21:43.06 | weasel00|work | dondelelcaro : thank you for your help... im gonna play with some cause i think it work more for what we need. =) |
| 21:43.12 | usual | dondelelcaro: ok, i did that with the server package...I have no Xwrapper.config |
| 21:43.14 | madclicker | pipeline, sarge installer is frickin old |
| 21:43.16 | pipeline | madclicker: It's easier if you don't install anything at all before upgrading to etch. Less wasted time. |
| 21:43.34 | dondelelcaro | usual: are you using xorg? |
| 21:43.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: will you sponsor me? |
| 21:44.04 | usual | dondelelcaro: yes, but I think the reconfigure x11-common is going to work |
| 21:44.25 | stew | someone was supposed to file that bug in x11-common last night, i'll bet they didnt' |
| 21:44.27 | dondelelcaro | usual: well, if you don't have that file, that's probably why it's not working... you may have to use dpkg with --force-confmiss |
| 21:45.34 | usual | dondelelcaro: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common did the trick |
| 21:45.36 | usual | dondelelcaro: ty |
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| 21:47.41 | |dennis| | hmm...just something i noted....so as of Etch...AMD64 arch will be officially released.... |
| 21:47.53 | hjubal | goodnight |
| 21:48.30 | Teddy | hi, does anyone know the command to know which kernel i'm using (and which kernel-headers i should get) thanks |
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| 21:48.37 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 21:48.45 | onetinsoldier | Teddy: uname -r |
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| 21:48.51 | onetinsoldier | or -a.. whichever |
| 21:48.56 | Teddy | thanks :) |
| 21:48.59 | pipeline | Teddy: if you install the linux-headers meta package, it should just select the right real package... |
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| 21:49.16 | Teddy | oh ok, thanks for the tip |
| 21:49.43 | onetinsoldier | np |
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| 21:50.30 | hmos | is anyone here using the 64bit etch of debian? |
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| 21:51.45 | hmos | i have debian-testing running @ home, and xorg running perfectly after apt-get install of xorg... but on the 64bit side, when i did it, it all seemed to be correct, until you "startx" which states that the user is not authorized to start the xserver... any ideas how to fix? |
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| 21:52.07 | shogunx | hmos edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 21:52.22 | yereth | guys |
| 21:52.26 | shogunx | allowed_users="anybody" iirc |
| 21:52.33 | yereth | I am experiencing trouble with my dvd drive |
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| 21:52.49 | yereth | with any DVD movie disc or data disc I get the following error: |
| 21:52.58 | yereth | localhost kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 21:53.02 | hmos | is that required from now on with future versions of xorg? |
| 21:53.15 | hmos | to change the Xwrapper.config? |
| 21:53.25 | yereth | so after 5 mins or so, all players cease to play on and I can't read data beyond a certain block |
| 21:53.40 | yereth | can anybody help me out? |
| 21:54.05 | hmos | yereth what does ur dmesg syslog state? |
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| 21:54.50 | yereth | hmos: this same message over and over again |
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| 21:55.00 | yereth | hmos: and when I wish to eject the following: |
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| 21:55.12 | yereth | program eject is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO |
| 21:55.20 | bztunk | yereth: seems like a hardware failure to me |
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| 21:55.55 | yereth | bztunk: my dvd player was working fine under windows last week |
| 21:55.55 | regurgitate | hi |
| 21:56.49 | hmos | yereth what kernel? |
| 21:57.07 | yereth | hmos: 2.6.16-1-k7 |
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| 21:57.48 | hmos | what version of eject are you using? |
| 21:58.18 | hmos | eject -V |
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| 21:58.34 | yereth | hmos: well, eject is just a minor problem, the biggest problem is that it won't read beyond a certain point, with ANY dvd |
| 21:58.50 | hmos | yereth data dvds too? |
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| 21:59.17 | yereth | hmos: eject version 2.0.13 |
| 21:59.20 | yereth | hmos: same problem |
| 21:59.27 | yereth | video and data |
| 21:59.34 | hmos | see if you get any errors from dd if=/dev/hdc of=/tmp/iso.image and see if it completes |
| 21:59.48 | hmos | make sure it's not mounted : |
| 21:59.53 | teknomega | hmm |
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| 22:00.07 | Klavier | is there any application for getting some colors from screen like color picker for linux? |
| 22:00.39 | yereth | hmos: alrighty... |
| 22:00.53 | hmos | yereth sounds like a hardware issue though... |
| 22:01.00 | onetinsoldier | Klavier: try gcolor2 |
| 22:01.01 | hmos | does it do it to regular cds? |
| 22:01.09 | humbraro | Klavier: GIMP has a tool built in that does that |
| 22:01.13 | unfo | Hi all, I am planning to build xserver-xorg myself to try to track down a BadValue in an X_CreatePixmap request in Wine. I plan to build a .deb using debian/rules binary-server. The unpacked source plus the build-deps take up about 400MB. How much more disk space will I need for the actual building? |
| 22:01.23 | yereth | hmos: it plays all music CDs fine anyways |
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| 22:01.35 | yereth | hmos: 260 mb now |
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| 22:02.04 | hmos | yereth 260mb... ? ohh.. ok... |
| 22:02.10 | yereth | 400.. |
| 22:02.18 | hmos | so it seems to be working with dd |
| 22:02.22 | yereth | it seems so |
| 22:02.32 | hmos | but accessing it directly, causes it to give you the errors |
| 22:02.36 | yereth | yes |
| 22:02.38 | yereth | drivers? |
| 22:02.38 | drasko | hi all. I am trying to install inform, but I am getting this error message, which I pasted here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2611 |
| 22:02.46 | bztunk | unfo: IIRC we i used gentoo X compiling could take almost 2G |
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| 22:02.52 | bztunk | *when |
| 22:02.58 | hmos | kernel drivers for dvd/cd-roms usually never are bad |
| 22:03.05 | hmos | but then.. there are occasions... |
| 22:03.18 | yereth | hmos: |
| 22:03.19 | yereth | root@linux:/home/yajansen# dd if=/dev/hdc of=/tmp/iso.image |
| 22:03.19 | yereth | 1141680+0 records in |
| 22:03.19 | yereth | 1141680+0 records out |
| 22:03.19 | yereth | 584540160 bytes transferred in 150.326517 seconds (3888470 bytes/sec) |
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| 22:03.34 | yereth | oops |
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| 22:03.43 | ciphr | :D |
| 22:03.46 | hmos | i think debian uses the standard atapi cd/dvdrom driver |
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| 22:04.09 | yereth | hmos: I've 500 mb now, the image |
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| 22:04.16 | yereth | there's more on the disc I think |
| 22:04.16 | hmos | and it stopped? |
| 22:04.23 | yereth | yes |
| 22:04.31 | hmos | check your dmesg .. last few lines |
| 22:04.35 | yereth | 584 |
| 22:04.46 | bztunk | unfo: but there is probably a -dbg package for the library causing the crash already |
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| 22:05.34 | yereth | hmos: no errors, it seems |
| 22:05.38 | yereth | only from 10 minutes afo |
| 22:05.39 | yereth | ago |
| 22:06.05 | onetinsoldier | anyone think they can help me get a gamepad working? |
| 22:06.07 | drasko | hi all. I am trying to install inform, but I am getting this error message: Package inform is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 22:06.23 | drasko | what that means? |
| 22:06.25 | hmos | hmm.. i'd almost say bad drive.. but could also be bad cable... |
| 22:06.47 | hmos | *shrug* test with a different drive |
| 22:06.50 | cureless | drasko: it means the packages is not there. |
| 22:06.55 | onetinsoldier | drasko: what version of debian you using? stable/sarge? |
| 22:07.09 | yereth | hmos: don't have a different dvd drive in this machine |
| 22:07.12 | cureless | drasko: it might be in a different repository you're not using |
| 22:07.12 | unfo | bztunk: you mean, instead of adding two printfs to X, I should run X inside a debugger? |
| 22:07.19 | raf256 | what was the cmd to install xorg? apt-get install xorg? |
| 22:07.32 | bztunk | unfo: not X, but wine, in gdb |
| 22:07.35 | cureless | drasko: or it might mean that it was removed or renamed. Or that the packages that references it is old and out of date. |
| 22:07.41 | hmos | raf256 apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 22:07.43 | yereth | hmos: and besides: it always stops at a certain point; with one dvd, always at 5 minutes something |
| 22:07.46 | hmos | i think |
| 22:07.48 | raf256 | thanks |
| 22:08.00 | drasko | onetinsoldier, sarge |
| 22:08.09 | yereth | raf256: and use apt-cache search to search for any packages |
| 22:08.17 | raf256 | yereth: ok |
| 22:08.23 | hmos | raf256 there's a bunch of packages needed to make xorg work too |
| 22:08.29 | drasko | cureless, but i can find it in the package listing on the net.. |
| 22:08.36 | raf256 | hmos: they will auto-install ? |
| 22:08.40 | hmos | you'd prolly want kde or gnome or a smaller wm |
| 22:08.42 | cureless | drasko: on what package listing? |
| 22:08.49 | hmos | raf256 not always |
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| 22:09.11 | cureless | drasko: what are you using as your sources? |
| 22:09.15 | hmos | xorg is the base, you won't have any desktop managers at all besides the generic one |
| 22:09.16 | yereth | raf256: the sarge stable repository does |
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| 22:09.37 | yereth | hmos: just needs kdm or so.. if you like kde that is |
| 22:09.40 | hmos | well, xorg will isntall, and all that xorg needs.. but xorg does miss a few dependencies |
| 22:09.50 | yereth | hmos: like what? |
| 22:09.54 | drasko | cureless, testing version... |
| 22:10.04 | hmos | yereth huh? |
| 22:10.07 | yereth | I'm using backports anyway.. |
| 22:10.22 | yereth | hmos: "but xorg does miss a few dependencies" |
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| 22:11.13 | cureless | drasko: but what are you using as your sources? inform is in non-free, if you don't have that you won't get it. |
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| 22:11.18 | hmos | oh, on the pc at home, i had to manually apt-get install something... something-common |
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| 22:11.52 | hmos | probably cuz there was two compatible dependencies, but only 1 can be installed ? *shrug* i'd have to look at home :P |
| 22:11.55 | yereth | hmos: tough luck :) |
| 22:12.01 | onetinsoldier | I went to the debian packages listing web page... i don't see 'inform' for stable and it doesn't show up on etch here when doing an apt-cache search |
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| 22:12.46 | cureless | onetinsoldier: it's in non-free in unstable (probably testing too) |
| 22:12.48 | onetinsoldier | although there is an 'inform-mode'... an (X)Emacs mode for editing Inform source code. |
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| 22:13.41 | yereth | hmos: a command to see what is holding up my dvd player? umount says it is busy |
| 22:13.45 | ManiacWork | anyone have any ideas on why SILO would fail to install? |
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| 22:14.17 | mo1991 | for some reason I can browse me samba shares (printer and home directories) in windows but not on my linux boxes - I have smbclient installed and in network:/// it shows the networks but does not show the shares or says can't access workgroup |
| 22:14.37 | mo1991 | do I need some other packages installed? Or how do I troubleshoot |
| 22:15.02 | nikko | Does anyone know how to set the mouse sensitivity in debian? |
| 22:15.05 | mo1991 | again samba is running on the debian box and windows can see and share iti fine |
| 22:15.15 | dondelelcaro | nikko: xset m |
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| 22:16.09 | nikko | thanks |
| 22:17.00 | unfo | bztunk: i am testing an unlikely theory proposed by someone in wine bugzilla that a value is being changed somewhere before or inside X. but, now that you mention it, I am going to look into using the command xprop -spy instead. |
| 22:17.06 | onetinsoldier | anyone think they can help me get a gamepad working? i mknod the device files(which get erased on a reboot) and modprobe the modules but no luck so far. |
| 22:17.23 | SammyTheSnake | has anyone here managed to get twinkle to install and run? I'm getting an error message complaining that a library doesn't exist on a fresh install (testing distribution on i386 and AMD86, both produce the same error message) |
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| 22:18.03 | bztunk | onetinsoldier: are you using sarge? |
| 22:18.10 | onetinsoldier | no |
| 22:18.12 | bztunk | onetinsoldier: or newer? |
| 22:18.13 | onetinsoldier | etch |
| 22:18.15 | yereth | where do I add the following line: "ramdisk_size=10240" ? |
| 22:18.24 | yereth | I found it on the net considering my dvd problem |
| 22:18.27 | bztunk | then you don't create the devices |
| 22:18.32 | bztunk | udev will do it for you |
| 22:19.02 | yereth | bztunk: was that to me? |
| 22:19.05 | onetinsoldier | yereth: sounds like a line you put on your kernel loading line in lilo.conf or menu.lst for grub |
| 22:19.12 | bztunk | yereth: wtf? ramdisk is a filesystem-in-ram driver |
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| 22:19.24 | bztunk | yereth: no, that was to onetinsoldier |
| 22:19.35 | evilbulgarian | hi, i have samba+winbind+apache+pam_auth and for some reason when ppl are authenticating to use the svn its generating alot of connections via winbind and slowing down svn operations alot? Is there some way to cache the auth that way it is not done so many times? |
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| 22:19.52 | dinoooo | hi |
| 22:20.00 | yereth | onetinsoldier, bztunk: I found the suggestion when I searched for my problem on the web.. the error with dvds that says: "attempt to access beyond end of device" when I go beyond a certain point on a dvd |
| 22:20.09 | dinoooo | can anyone give me good mirror unstable nonfree crontib? |
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| 22:20.12 | yereth | which disables me to read my dvds |
| 22:20.21 | JordiGH | Some minor problems with mounting a smbfs drive. Where can I specify a umask? It doesn't seem to be reading it from my /etc/fstab |
| 22:20.28 | onetinsoldier | bztunk: so you think i 'have' to have the modules loading up on bootup? |
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| 22:20.46 | bztunk | onetinsoldier: no, discover will do that for you |
| 22:20.46 | dinoooo | can anyone give me good mirror unstable nonfree crontib? the mirror im using is broken |
| 22:20.49 | swim | I forgot, how can I uninstall a package with all of its dependencies that nothing else uses? |
| 22:20.52 | JordiGH | No matter what umask I specify in the mount options, I always get 755 permissions. :-( |
| 22:21.05 | bztunk | onetinsoldier: and udev will load the usb modules if required |
| 22:21.09 | onetinsoldier | yereth: it sounds like a kernel pearameter |
| 22:21.17 | jelly-ho | swim: if you used aptitude to install it, just uninstall it with aptitude too. |
| 22:21.18 | drasko | join #inform |
| 22:21.24 | unfo | swim: use aptitude to remove it. |
| 22:21.24 | onetinsoldier | *parameter |
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| 22:21.36 | dinoooo | am i ignored? |
| 22:21.47 | yereth | onetinsoldier: er yeah, but is it related to my dvd drive? |
| 22:21.47 | bztunk | yes |
| 22:21.48 | swim | I installed from command line |
| 22:21.55 | dinoooo | heh come on |
| 22:21.57 | JordiGH | swim: aptitude is command line. :) |
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| 22:22.14 | jelly-ho | dinoooo: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 22:22.15 | bztunk | yereth: we don't know either, but that should be put in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:22.25 | SammyTheSnake | swim: just aptitiude remove packagename, anything that was installed just to satisfy that package's dependencies will be removed if nothing else also needs it |
| 22:22.30 | JordiGH | But I want to know if there is a way to have aptitude build a database of dependencies if you want to switch from apt-get to aptitude. |
| 22:22.43 | yereth | bztunk: alright.. don't see how it could change the workings of my dvd-player under linux |
| 22:22.45 | swim | SammyTheSnake, oh gotchyah ok thanks |
| 22:22.49 | JordiGH | Oh, no need to build a database? |
| 22:22.55 | SammyTheSnake | swim: you're welcome |
| 22:22.57 | JordiGH | swim: aptitude remove stuffstuffstuff |
| 22:23.06 | onetinsoldier | yereth: well, i'm up on thatwell enough to give a technical answer.. but i will say, 'not directly'. but i will effect how the kernel works |
| 22:23.24 | yereth | onetinsoldier: you think it is worth the try? |
| 22:23.29 | dinoooo | jelly-ho: actually i dont have browser, im sorry can u copy paste a good mirror " unstable " i used to have one bluyounder.org unstable nonfree crontib it was working good |
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| 22:23.45 | SammyTheSnake | onetinsoldier: yereth: possibly the parameter makes the initrd larger to accomodate the driver or something? |
| 22:23.53 | onetinsoldier | dinooo: maybe i could give you mine. where are you located? |
| 22:24.02 | dinoooo | israel |
| 22:24.08 | swim | hmm I just used aptitude remove gnome-multi-terminal, and it only removed that package... though it installed a bunch more deps |
| 22:24.16 | yereth | SammyTheSnake: no idea... |
| 22:24.22 | sid | swim: and? |
| 22:24.32 | onetinsoldier | dinooo: well my mirror is from california usa |
| 22:24.35 | swim | sid and Id like it to remove the dependencies also |
| 22:24.42 | dondelelcaro | swim: if you've got other packages that depend or recommend those packages they may not be removed. |
| 22:24.43 | dinoooo | ok onetinsoldier |
| 22:24.47 | sid | swim: so apt-get remove dependencies here |
| 22:24.48 | dinoooo | give me i'll try it |
| 22:25.06 | dondelelcaro | swim: however, if you're sure that they should be, run aptitude and mark them as automatically installed; (M) then they'll be removed when its appropriate |
| 22:25.07 | onetinsoldier | deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main |
| 22:25.13 | yereth | SammyTheSnake, onetinsoldier: in my menu.lst it doesn't say anything about ramdisk_size |
| 22:25.21 | dinoooo | ok ty |
| 22:25.25 | onetinsoldier | yw |
| 22:25.29 | SammyTheSnake | swim: gnome-* packages generally all depend on similar stuff, if you've installed any other gnome packages, you'll probably find they depend on the stuff that aptitude installed when you installed gnome-multi-terminal |
| 22:26.03 | JordiGH | dinooo: It's rather pointless to ask for a "good mirror". That depends on your geographical location. Browse the list at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 22:26.23 | swim | SammyTheSnake, not in this case, I just installed multi-gnome-terminal and it installed a bunch of deps, and I installed nothgin else... so those deps were for that app only |
| 22:26.35 | yereth | SammyTheSnake, onetinsoldier, bztunk: hdc: rw=0, want=3097008, limit=1141680 |
| 22:26.42 | yereth | what does that mean? |
| 22:26.52 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: s/he's gone, and apparently did not "have a browser". |
| 22:27.06 | SammyTheSnake | yereth: *shrug* I'm not a grub guru, sorry |
| 22:27.08 | swim | SammyTheSnake, perhaps I had to have installed the app with aptitude first? I had installed it with apt-get install... |
| 22:27.10 | onetinsoldier | yereth: add the line you got from googling to those kernel parameters you already have there |
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| 22:27.23 | SammyTheSnake | yereth: looking at my menu.lst, the kernel parameters appear to be stuck onto the end of the "kernel" clause in each stanza |
| 22:27.24 | yereth | onetinsoldier: I am doing this :) |
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| 22:27.46 | yereth | SammyTheSnake: you have the parameter in your menu.lst? |
| 22:27.51 | onetinsoldier | yereth: i have no idea what want= does... i have heard of limit= |
| 22:28.01 | SammyTheSnake | swim: aptitude and apt-get both use the same package information, they can take eachother's place trivially, it's just that aptitude does extra clever stuff like uninstall dependencies :p |
| 22:28.11 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: Well, I hope it works out... |
| 22:28.19 | swim | ah, though not in this case :( |
| 22:28.25 | JordiGH | Ack, why can't I mount a smbfs with the right permissions? :-( |
| 22:28.58 | SammyTheSnake | swim: there's a program called (if I recall correctly) deborphan which will list all packages that are not depended on, maybe use that to find the packages you can uninstall safely |
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| 22:29.11 | swim | oh thats right I rememeber that SammyTheSnake |
| 22:29.15 | jelly-ho | SammyTheSnake: not likely. aptitude builds another database and keeps track of automatically installed packages, which apt-get does not know anything about. |
| 22:29.30 | SammyTheSnake | swim: by default it lists only libraries, but you can also set it to report all programs that aren't depended on. That tends to list nearly everything, though :) |
| 22:29.58 | jelly-ho | SammyTheSnake: (Re: ... use the same pkg info). |
| 22:30.01 | SammyTheSnake | jelly-ho: ah, I wasn't aware of that, so packages installed with apt-get won't have had that extra information stored, then, I guess... |
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| 22:30.20 | JordiGH | Where in /etc/fstab should I be specifying a umask for a smbfs mount? |
| 22:30.26 | SammyTheSnake | jelly-ho: lesson is, use aptitude, it rocks :p |
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| 22:30.58 | SammyTheSnake | JordiGH: in the same bit as all the other options (user,auto,defaults etc.) |
| 22:31.57 | jelly-ho | SammyTheSnake: yeah, but there's no easy transition. you either have to use debfoster or mark stuff in aptitude's interactive mode (which I hate, for some reason -- too much like dselect ;-) |
| 22:32.04 | yereth | ok.. guess I need a reboot |
| 22:32.05 | yereth | brb |
| 22:32.07 | SammyTheSnake | has anyone here managed to get twinkle to install and run? I'm getting an error message complaining that it can't find libccgnu2-1.3.so.2 (testing distribution on i386 and AMD86, both produce the same error message) |
| 22:32.18 | JordiGH | SammyTheSnake: I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. That bit currently reads as rw,username=r,password=r,umask=000,gid=users |
| 22:32.23 | swim | does anyone happen to use "Listen" on etch? |
| 22:32.52 | SammyTheSnake | jelly-ho: I've not had any problems, but then I've not been relying on the automatic uninstall, I have 400GB of space and I'm not all that fussed if I have a few spare libraries around :p |
| 22:32.53 | JordiGH | SammyTheSnake: But the file permissions look like drwxr-xr-x 1 root users or |
| 22:33.01 | JordiGH | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root users |
| 22:33.23 | SammyTheSnake | JordiGH: could be an smbfs-specific issue. I've never really used it much |
| 22:33.27 | chealer | SammyTheSnake: most likely |
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| 22:33.49 | SammyTheSnake | JordiGH: try mounting it manually and seeing if you can get it working that way, you may find it's quicker to play with than editing fstab |
| 22:34.20 | SammyTheSnake | JordiGH: I remember last time I did it having a lot of "fun" trying to get the username and password to work from fstab when it worked fine on the command line :s |
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| 22:34.56 | JordiGH | Our sooper-seekrit sooper-seckyur windows "server" has no username or password. |
| 22:35.09 | SammyTheSnake | chealer: most likely what, sorry? |
| 22:35.27 | JordiGH | But let me see if your suggestion on command-line works properly. |
| 22:35.30 | pipeline | JordiGH: uhhhhh.... |
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| 22:35.42 | SammyTheSnake | JordiGH: crossing my fingers for you :p |
| 22:35.44 | pipeline | JordiGH: 99% of the population is using multi-user systems with permissions systems superior to UNIX :P |
| 22:36.01 | kepht | for ssh* ..do i install that? ..or install openssh-client and openssh-server ? |
| 22:36.01 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: windows nt actually has a decent ACL system, it's just not used very well at your place. ;-) |
| 22:36.06 | chealer | SammyTheSnake: someone managed to get twinkle to install and run |
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| 22:36.10 | cr3 | what's the non-free package repository called? I tried "non-free" and "nonfree" |
| 22:36.16 | SammyTheSnake | chealer: ah, what a helpful response :( |
| 22:36.28 | kimitaka2 | where do I need to put my WEP key, I'm using linuxant driver loader? |
| 22:36.31 | onetinsoldier | non-free |
| 22:36.32 | chealer | cr3: non-free |
| 22:36.41 | JordiGH | pipeline: At least Unix makes it usually harder by default to set up a stupid network. :-) |
| 22:36.44 | cr3 | crap, now I need to figure out why it's not working |
| 22:36.54 | SammyTheSnake | chealer: I kinda meant has anyone *here* got it working, and can they help me replicate the feat |
| 22:37.17 | nikko | I am useing a us keyboard, and need some danish letters with my us-keyboard... How can I add them? please someone.... |
| 22:37.36 | chealer | SammyTheSnake: I got it working. I guess the BTS would be more useful than #debian |
| 22:37.39 | r121 | How difficult would it be to add a second NIC to my machine and attach another machine to it, sort of like a hub or switch? (I don't have another cable long enough to go back to the router) |
| 22:37.44 | katie_ | can someone help me install a wireless card on my laptop? sohoware nd5120-e |
| 22:37.48 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: mount.smbfs(8) also mentions fmask and dmask which might be of some help. Haven't tried. |
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| 22:38.03 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: tried those. Still stumped. :-( |
| 22:38.12 | nse | cr3: what would be of anything without problems? :) |
| 22:38.17 | SammyTheSnake | chealer: I couldn't see my issue there, so I thought it's more likely I'm doing something dumb than that it's a real bug, after all, I can't even get the program to *run* :( |
| 22:38.19 | yereth | SammyTheSnake, onetinsoldier, bztunk: I set the ramdisk_size=100000 on the kernel line in menu.lst (I saw this value a lot in google) and it works perfectly now |
| 22:38.20 | katie_ | oops sorrt wrong group |
| 22:38.25 | chealer | kepht: either. you can't install ssh without install openssh-client and openssh-server in Etch |
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| 22:38.35 | SammyTheSnake | yereth: woo yay, have a beer |
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| 22:38.45 | bztunk | yereth: all i can say it wtf |
| 22:38.46 | bztunk | *is |
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| 22:39.06 | pipeline | JordiGH: That's not a virtue. |
| 22:39.16 | jelly-ho | yereth: I smell a kernel "feature", that is, a bug. |
| 22:39.27 | yereth | SammyTheSnake: I'm having soy milk :P |
| 22:39.29 | jelly-ho | yereth: but whatever, as long as it works... |
| 22:39.33 | yereth | bztunk: I know... |
| 22:39.45 | yereth | jelly-ho: yeah, that's how I feel |
| 22:39.48 | onetinsoldier | yereth: great to hear it's all good now :-) |
| 22:39.51 | chealer | SammyTheSnake: nasty bugs happen sometimes too. try harder |
| 22:40.00 | SammyTheSnake | yereth: did you know that soya inhibits fertility |
| 22:40.10 | jelly-ho | SammyTheSnake: is that a bad thing? |
| 22:40.28 | yereth | onetinsoldier: quite happy about it.. first I had trouble with my output drivers.. then this.. now it finally works.. after 2 hours |
| 22:40.41 | yereth | can't even watch my movie, as I need to work early in the morning |
| 22:40.51 | onetinsoldier | yereth: i know the feeling |
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| 22:41.01 | SammyTheSnake | chealer: true, but I don't want to file a bug just to be told "you didn't press the big red button" or something equally embarrassing :p |
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| 22:41.08 | yereth | SammyTheSnake: it does? |
| 22:41.12 | SammyTheSnake | jelly-ho: depends |
| 22:41.20 | swim | anyone know whats wrong with rhythmbox in etch? |
| 22:41.21 | oskie | is 'cat /dev/ttyS0' supposed to work? |
| 22:41.30 | chealer | SammyTheSnake: don't file a bug, just looks at the already filed ones. I have to go eat |
| 22:41.31 | SammyTheSnake | yereth: well, if you're a girl, but only on a very short term basis, like a really crap pill... |
| 22:41.33 | jelly-ho | oskie: not really |
| 22:41.34 | bztunk | swim: why don't you try the BTS? |
| 22:41.39 | yereth | SammyTheSnake: lol :P |
| 22:41.45 | swim | bztunk, whats that? |
| 22:41.47 | thingfish | heh what's wrong with rhythmbox in any version of any distro. |
| 22:41.51 | SammyTheSnake | chealer: I already looked, none of the bugs are even similar |
| 22:41.52 | bztunk | !bts |
| 22:41.53 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 22:41.59 | JordiGH | pipeline: Sure it is. Anything that makes it harder to shoot yourself in a foot is a good thing. |
| 22:42.05 | yereth | SammyTheSnake: I am a man, for once, and second of all: I don't want kids.. as long as it doesn't influence my erection, I'm fine :P |
| 22:42.24 | mtnman | yereth: tmi |
| 22:42.24 | oskie | jelly-ho: i want to read from serial at 9600 8n1..what's the easiest way? |
| 22:42.33 | SammyTheSnake | yereth: to each his own (and not mine, etc...) |
| 22:42.37 | yereth | mtnman: I was just getting started :) |
| 22:42.49 | mtnman | yereth: you can pre-empt. |
| 22:42.53 | nikko | I am useing a us keyboard, and need some danish letters with my us-keyboard... How can I add them? please someone.... |
| 22:42.57 | yereth | mtnman: :D |
| 22:43.06 | mtnman | :/ |
| 22:43.24 | jelly-ho | oskie: minicom? read what? |
| 22:43.31 | yereth | SammyTheSnake: OT is my topic |
| 22:43.44 | SammyTheSnake | yereth: mine too, but this isn't the room for that |
| 22:43.56 | yereth | It's kinda crowded |
| 22:44.17 | swim | how about Listen has anyone used that in Etch? |
| 22:44.46 | thingfish | a little off-topic is tolerated from time to time, guys - I mean come on, do you think it was *all* business down at debconf? |
| 22:45.01 | thingfish | it's just when it gets in the way of people trying to get help. |
| 22:45.05 | yereth | PEOPLE: there's a party going on in #offtopic .. you may want to join, or you'll miss out on all the good stuff |
| 22:45.15 | thingfish | I mean, at least, that's been my observation. |
| 22:45.24 | JordiGH | Are we going to be talking about penises? |
| 22:45.25 | yereth | thingfish: thanx for your 2 pennies |
| 22:45.32 | JordiGH | Or pennies? |
| 22:45.33 | SammyTheSnake | I just don't want to be the one to encourage it, really :) |
| 22:45.50 | mtnman | jordigh: please stop. |
| 22:46.22 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 22:46.23 | jelly-ho | oskie: i have a sh script that sends/receives xmodem (for a HP calculator), see if you can make something of it. http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/48tr |
| 22:46.37 | oskie | jelly-ho: ok cool, thanks |
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| 22:49.00 | JordiGH | Alright, wtf? The proper arguments were dmask=777,fmask=777,umask=000 |
| 22:49.20 | JordiGH | That gives permissions -rwxrwxrwx 1 root users |
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| 22:49.42 | bztunk | thats not a good idea i think |
| 22:50.04 | SammyTheSnake | JordiGH: well, at least you've found a way to affect the permissions now... |
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| 22:50.40 | mtnman | effect |
| 22:51.13 | JordiGH | mtnman: Affect is a verb, effect is a noun. SammyTheSnake knows English gud, apparently. :-) |
| 22:51.26 | mtnman | jordigh: you are correct. i typed too quickly |
| 22:51.27 | bztunk | im going to connect to it and overwrite everything with hello.jpg |
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| 22:51.52 | jelly-ho | bztunk: shavedpussy.jpg? |
| 22:51.58 | JordiGH | bztunk: Feel free! I'm tempted to do a rm /rf shared-windows just to emphasise why permissions are important. |
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| 22:52.15 | PovAddict | o_o |
| 22:52.17 | PovAddict | interesting |
| 22:52.28 | bztunk | jelly-ho: i dont know what shavedpussy.jpg is :D |
| 22:52.31 | PovAddict | I join #debian and the first thing I read is shavedpussy... |
| 22:52.34 | bztunk | JordiGH: go for it :D |
| 22:52.41 | mtnman | jordigh: well, doing something destructive, just to prove a point, is rather unproductive. |
| 22:52.42 | SammyTheSnake | JordiGH: thanks for vindicating my l337 Gra/\/\/\/\ar sk1llz |
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| 22:53.12 | jelly-ho | bztunk: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/images/shavedpussy.jpg |
| 22:53.22 | Hamled|Erp | what does a plus symbol in a circle represent? |
| 22:53.34 | bztunk | jelly-ho: haha good one |
| 22:53.35 | cureless | Hamled|Erp: xor probably |
| 22:53.40 | Hamled|Erp | it's not very nice to do that to your cats :( |
| 22:53.45 | Hamled|Erp | cureless, thought so, thanks |
| 22:54.11 | jelly-ho | Hamled|Erp: Poultry fans wouldn't like shavedcock.jpg. |
| 22:54.23 | Hamled|Erp | I'm not sure you can really consider it shaving |
| 22:54.30 | JordiGH | mtnman: I was joking. Instead, I think I'm going to create a directory structure with a sentence: /shared-windows/folder/this/is/stupid/setup/multiuser/system. :D |
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| 22:54.58 | JordiGH | Hamled|Erp: Direct sum of modules. |
| 22:55.01 | bztunk | JordiGH: *system32 |
| 22:55.04 | ManiacMiniLappy | is there a way to reconfigure the repositories using dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 22:55.09 | Hamled|Erp | JordiGH, eh? |
| 22:55.12 | ManiacMiniLappy | or any method other than vi? |
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| 22:55.25 | JordiGH | and move everything to the top of that pathname! :D |
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| 22:55.42 | bztunk | ManiacMiniLappy: emacs, nano, wine notepad, jed, mc-edit, ed |
| 22:55.44 | rockstar_ | Might I restate my opinion that blender is one of the best apps I've ever used? |
| 22:55.51 | Hamled|Erp | man I hate powerpoints, they're atleast half useless without the presentation |
| 22:56.19 | ManiacMiniLappy | bztunk, well my point is that I want my repositories to talk to something other than the cdrom. |
| 22:56.21 | JordiGH | ManiacMiniLappy: What do you mean, "reconfigure"? Fiddle around with /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:56.25 | jelly-ho | ManiacMiniLappy: apt-setup? |
| 22:56.26 | mtnman | maniacminilappy: run apt-setup |
| 22:56.27 | riot | can anyone hint me some documentation on how to paralelize debians init? |
| 22:56.32 | ManiacMiniLappy | cool, thanks |
| 22:56.36 | rockstar_ | Hamled|Erp : I would agree |
| 22:56.37 | dondelelcaro | riot: see /etc/default/rcS and /etc/init.d/rcS |
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| 22:56.42 | mtnman | riot: there was an article around... try google. |
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| 22:56.58 | jelly-ho | ManiacMiniLappy: but see /msg dpkg apt-setup |
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| 22:57.04 | jlaw | wine is cool ... the app gives me an error that it failed to set display mode 640x480 at 16 bit ... guess which display mode is set when i get this error -.- |
| 22:57.06 | mo1991 | windows can log onto my linux samba server - but another linux box cannot log onto the samba server? Anyone help here? I have smbclient installed - the linux box can see the workgroup, but doesn't let me see the printer or home share? |
| 22:57.18 | ManiacMiniLappy | apt-setup isnt installed... |
| 22:57.21 | mo1991 | again windows machine sees the linux samba server with shares fine |
| 22:57.34 | ManiacMiniLappy | damn sun stations |
| 22:57.35 | PovAddict | ManiacMiniLappy: :O |
| 22:57.40 | mtnman | apt-get install apt-setup, i presume |
| 22:58.03 | PovAddict | nope, just checked, no apt-setup package |
| 22:58.17 | azeem | it used to be part of base-config |
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| 22:58.25 | mtnman | povaddict: are you running testing? |
| 22:58.26 | riot | dondelelcaro: ok, thats where to break up things ;) but is there some documentation on how to do it? |
| 22:58.37 | ManiacMiniLappy | yeah |
| 22:58.45 | PovAddict | running stable here, and I have apt-setup, but not as a package |
| 22:58.46 | epsilon | fixing sources.list to internet sources? |
| 22:58.50 | ManiacMiniLappy | i just installed from the testing netinstall |
| 22:58.55 | johnsu01 | How do I set the font for /usr/bin/display? Since a recent upgrade, it won't start because it can't find the font it's set to use. |
| 22:58.56 | adeptus | leaving |
| 22:58.59 | azeem | PovAddict: it's part of base-config |
| 22:59.00 | ManiacMiniLappy | im just gonna re-run setup |
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| 22:59.19 | azeem | johnsu01: does it say which font it lacks? |
| 22:59.21 | onetinsoldier | anyone think they can help me get a gamepad working? i mknod the device files(which get erased on a reboot) and modprobe the modules but no luck so far. i am using etch so i guess it's supposed to be reconized in boootup anutomatically anyway, but i don't know what to try at this point as i am pretty sure i have every module that is need compiled into my kernel configuration |
| 22:59.25 | ManiacMiniLappy | something borked, and I was trying to fix it instead of re-installing on this god forsaken sun system |
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| 22:59.40 | onetinsoldier | uggh, sorry about the typos |
| 22:59.40 | johnsu01 | azeem: `-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1'. |
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| 22:59.56 | azeem | johnsu01: does xfontsel show any similar fonts? |
| 22:59.56 | hmos | i'm still playing with Xorg- when i startx, i'm now getting a X: cannot read symbolic link /etc/X11/X |
| 23:00.13 | azeem | otherwise, you might be lacking xfonts-*dpi or xfonts-scalable or something |
| 23:00.17 | dondelelcaro | riot: set CONCURRENCY=none to CONCURRENCY=shell; or similar. |
| 23:00.26 | ManiacMiniLappy | ive been fighting with this sunfire box all afternoon |
| 23:00.29 | ManiacMiniLappy | POS |
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| 23:01.20 | PovAddict | ManiacMiniLappy: my dad works at Sun Argentina and he also fights with their software, lol |
| 23:01.23 | johnsu01 | azeem: xfontsel has that exact font. |
| 23:01.37 | ManiacMiniLappy | well I refuse to run slowlaris |
| 23:01.39 | mtnman | maniacminilappy: seems a sunfire would be overkill for a point-of-sale box :) |
| 23:01.44 | ManiacMiniLappy | lol |
| 23:01.46 | johnsu01 | azeem: so some kind of font path issue instead maybe. |
| 23:01.53 | PovAddict | slowlaris lol |
| 23:02.34 | PovAddict | problem: I installed Insight (gdb GUI frontend) and I get a GDB error: Cannot initialize thread debugging library: generic error |
| 23:02.49 | PovAddict | am I missing some package? |
| 23:03.10 | ManiacMiniLappy | well i was running freebsd on it for a while, however ports made the system a real pain to manage |
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| 23:03.16 | ManiacMiniLappy | i missed my apt |
| 23:03.35 | cureless | say you're sorry and maybe it'll come back |
| 23:03.40 | ManiacMiniLappy | lol |
| 23:03.56 | ManiacMiniLappy | im re-running the installer with the defaults, lets hope that works |
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| 23:04.02 | Vme | is there a howto on installing nvidia drivers? |
| 23:04.12 | Vme | i've been trying module-assistant? |
| 23:04.13 | ManiacMiniLappy | I did notice a bug in how debian handles consoles though |
| 23:04.19 | onetinsoldier | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:04.20 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 23:04.43 | PovAddict | any idea? |
| 23:04.56 | Vme | it failed? |
| 23:04.59 | azeem | johnsu01: are you running X11R7? |
| 23:05.20 | ManiacMiniLappy | apparently you HAVE to have a keyboard on the system for console, even though you are using a rollover cable to talk to the serial port |
| 23:05.44 | Vme | i must not have the right lines in my sources.list ?? |
| 23:05.47 | Vme | i'm running ETCH |
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| 23:06.54 | johnsu01 | azeem: Yes. |
| 23:07.04 | musashiden | hmm, i was wondering if i could bother anyone in here with a question |
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| 23:07.18 | thingfish | musashiden: best to just ask. |
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| 23:07.22 | PovAddict | musashiden: just ask |
| 23:07.45 | musashiden | ok ok, how do i add IPs to my newly installed server? |
| 23:08.02 | chino | how do i install grub again ? |
| 23:08.04 | azeem | johnsu01: did you check http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 ? I think it is covered there |
| 23:08.16 | mtnman | musashiden: please explain what you mean by "add IPs" |
| 23:08.21 | thingfish | chino: grub-install /dev/blah |
| 23:08.37 | chino | so i put the cd in and type that |
| 23:08.38 | chino | ? |
| 23:08.43 | thingfish | um no |
| 23:08.47 | musashiden | right now, my new machine only has 1 IP |
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| 23:08.51 | chino | do i have to boot the system ? |
| 23:08.54 | dli | during debian installation, can I install grub to an extended /boot partition, instead of mbr ? |
| 23:08.55 | chino | or just chroot into it ? |
| 23:08.56 | musashiden | and i bought a lot more of IPs for it |
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| 23:09.02 | thingfish | chino: already have debian running? |
| 23:09.08 | chino | yes its on another partition |
| 23:09.12 | mtnman | mushashiden: you want to bind multible ip addresses to a single interface? |
| 23:09.13 | chino | hard drive |
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| 23:09.16 | thingfish | ok |
| 23:09.19 | musashiden | mtnman: yes |
| 23:09.29 | johnsu01 | azeem: I have not had to check that, since I have had no problems so far until this :). Looking now. |
| 23:09.46 | thingfish | chino: yes, mount it and chroot into it. |
| 23:10.01 | azeem | I'm going to bed now, laters |
| 23:10.12 | mtnman | mushashiden: okay, there is a method to do that... if i can remember... hang on a minute. |
| 23:10.20 | musashiden | no problem. |
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| 23:11.26 | initech | mtnman: you just create more interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, and name them "eth0:0, eth0:1" and so on |
| 23:11.43 | Vasistha | dli: anybody helping you? what's your situation, why not install grub? |
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| 23:11.51 | mtnman | initech; musashiden is the one who seeks that info. |
| 23:12.14 | initech | musashiden: (sorry) you just create more interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, and name them "eth0:0, eth0:1" and so on |
| 23:12.16 | mtnman | initech: i was about knee-deep in man interfaces when you said that :) |
| 23:12.29 | musashiden | initech: thank you. |
| 23:12.35 | musashiden | mtnman: thanks |
| 23:12.50 | mtnman | musashiden: iirc, the details are outlined in man interfaces |
| 23:12.54 | thingfish | azeem: good night, and thanks. |
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| 23:13.11 | patterson | thanks for the fish |
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| 23:13.31 | thingfish | I'm more potato than fish. |
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| 23:13.45 | musashiden | erm, initech: could you give me an example of what it should look like? |
| 23:13.55 | jjazz | I was once more hamm than potato... not anymore. |
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| 23:14.14 | mtnman | jjazz: i still have a drive around somewhere which will boot hamm |
| 23:14.30 | jelly-ho | jjazz: as long as it scratches an etch... |
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| 23:14.35 | jjazz | mtnman: Dude, you need to clean out your closet. |
| 23:14.47 | mtnman | jjazz: you don't even know |
| 23:14.50 | jjazz | jelly-ho: And you need to lose those awful puns! |
| 23:15.32 | jelly-ho | !start a pun war |
| 23:15.33 | initech | musashiden: http://pastebin.com/734143 |
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| 23:15.50 | patterson | use a pun , go to jail |
| 23:15.56 | musashiden | thanks again initech. |
| 23:15.57 | ManiacMiniLappy | lol |
| 23:16.08 | ManiacMiniLappy | go to #jail ;) |
| 23:16.11 | Vasistha | !lol |
| 23:16.12 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 23:16.14 | mtnman | if puns are outlawed, only outlaws will have puns. |
| 23:16.22 | marco13185 | is there a way to change the CPU frequency without having to reboot and change it in the BIOS |
| 23:16.23 | jetscreamer | omg yetanotherxorgupdate |
| 23:16.27 | jelly-ho | patterson: you're a real pundit. |
| 23:16.34 | musashiden | this is gonna take a while to add....i have 32 IPS....haha |
| 23:16.35 | patterson | oh golly |
| 23:16.37 | marco13185 | because my BIOS is locked (dell) and doing it within an OS would be great |
| 23:16.40 | Vasistha | marco13185: sounds like an acpi issue |
| 23:17.06 | patterson | f12/f10/del |
| 23:17.11 | mtnman | marco: you get what you deserve when you buy dell. |
| 23:17.19 | jetscreamer | dell is your god |
| 23:17.22 | musashiden | initech: what if my first line looks like this: iface eth2 inet static |
| 23:17.23 | jetscreamer | !worship dell |
| 23:17.30 | Vasistha | I've purchased a few used dells, and they have godawful bioses |
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| 23:17.42 | jjazz | marco13185: Why would the bios be locked? |
| 23:17.45 | jelly-ho | marco13185: do you want to overclock, or to save power? |
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| 23:17.47 | stew | marco13185: what cpu do you have? |
| 23:17.50 | patterson | duno of an os that lets you tweak the cmos |
| 23:17.52 | loxley_ | musashiden: what kind of server are going to run on your box? |
| 23:17.54 | patterson | dunno |
| 23:17.55 | marco13185 | whoa, lots of questions |
| 23:18.02 | musashiden | then i have to do this?: iface eth2:0 inet static |
| 23:18.05 | jjazz | marco13185: Answer mine first. ;) |
| 23:18.05 | thingfish | I told my sister to buy a dell and now I'm sorry, it seems real cheaply put together. |
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| 23:18.09 | beetlepun_ | anyone knows if there is any use of the defrag package if I'm using ext3, I mean is it really worth to even have this package installed? |
| 23:18.10 | initech | musashiden: yes |
| 23:18.11 | jetscreamer | i was wondering what exactly you meant by locked |
| 23:18.27 | musashiden | loxley_: a game server |
| 23:18.28 | ManiacMiniLappy | thingfish, dells suck ;) |
| 23:18.29 | jjazz | thingfish: If money is your first priority, dells are good. |
| 23:18.30 | thingfish | beetlepun_: ext3 doesn't need defragging normally. |
| 23:18.35 | marco13185 | jjazz, jelly-ho, stew, My BIOS does not let me change the FSB because dell sucks, I want to overclock, I have a P4 1.8 Ghz |
| 23:18.48 | patterson | well. your screwed |
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| 23:19.07 | thingfish | jjazz: I don't think they make awful machines, I just don't think they make outstanding ones. |
| 23:19.08 | Vasistha | beetlepun_: an ext3 system might get fragmented after 5 years or so of heavy use |
| 23:19.23 | Vasistha | beetlepun_: but it won't get fragmented after 6 months like ntfs or fat32 |
| 23:19.30 | patterson | er. probably |
| 23:19.34 | thingfish | hah 6 months |
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| 23:19.39 | thingfish | more like 3 weeks. |
| 23:19.41 | jetscreamer | marco13185: google around for some modded bios |
| 23:19.48 | bztunk | hahah yeah 3 weeks |
| 23:19.48 | jelly-ho | beetlepun_: hmm, I think that defrag (for ext2) doesn't even work on ext3 |
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| 23:19.59 | marco13185 | I found some app that lets you get around it, but it's windows only :( |
| 23:20.00 | jjazz | thingfish: Agreed. |
| 23:20.00 | mtnman | thingfish: doesn't matter, since the system would be pwned in 10 minutes. |
| 23:20.04 | jetscreamer | i had to use modded bios to get fastwrites and sba |
| 23:20.06 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:20.21 | Vasistha | mtnman: well, a system full of spyware that is ALSO fragmented is even slower! |
| 23:20.33 | ManiacMiniLappy | jelly-ho, the defrag tool for ext2 does work on ext3 |
| 23:20.36 | jjazz | marco13185: What are you doing that you need faster than 1.8 Ghz? |
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| 23:21.25 | mtnman | vasistha: yes, but the fragmentation would be negligable in the face of spyware. |
| 23:21.25 | musashiden | initech: what about the gateway line? |
| 23:21.26 | mtnman | the *effect* of the fragmentation, that is... |
| 23:21.26 | thingfish | I used to work for gateway. |
| 23:21.26 | marco13185 | jjazz, nothing really, it's just something I want to do. Has now practical purpose, my machine runs very fast and all, but it's one of those things ;) |
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| 23:21.26 | jelly-ho | ManiacMiniLappy: really? I'd swear I tried it once and maybe it complained. |
| 23:21.26 | marco13185 | *has no practical |
| 23:21.29 | musashiden | do i add it to every paragraph? |
| 23:21.30 | ManiacMiniLappy | ive run it before no issues |
| 23:21.32 | jjazz | marco13185: gotcha. |
| 23:21.33 | johnsu01 | argh. It may bother me till the day I die that it's xorg.conf but Xorg.0.log. |
| 23:21.42 | thingfish | I'd probably buy a gateway desktop - if I hadn't been building my own since 1999. |
| 23:21.42 | Vasistha | mtnman: I dunno, my Dad's running windows 98 still, his system is relatively clean of intrusion, but fragmentation is a serious bog sometimes |
| 23:21.48 | jelly-ho | musashiden: only one default gateway. |
| 23:21.52 | stew | marco13185: what does "grep name /proc/cpuinfo" say? |
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| 23:22.01 | patterson | golly. it's kind of a wash when you factor in the extra cost of cooling an verclocked machine |
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| 23:22.20 | musashiden | jelly-ho: i know, but do i add it to every IP interface definition paragraph? |
| 23:22.35 | PovAddict | ffs, more than a hour on IRC with no answer to my question |
| 23:22.39 | marco13185 | stew, model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz |
| 23:22.40 | thingfish | yeah by the time you pay for all the overclocking gear, you could've just bought a faster processor. |
| 23:22.42 | jelly-ho | musashiden: no, then you'll have multiple gw's. |
| 23:22.44 | Vasistha | PovAddict: try again... |
| 23:22.45 | Duelist | overclocking is a completely unnecessary risk |
| 23:22.52 | mtnman | vasishta: well, if the system is clean, then there is *no* effect from spyware, then, is there? |
| 23:22.55 | Vasistha | PovAddict: hard to say when the right person will be in attendance |
| 23:22.56 | musashiden | jelly-ho: oh, ok. thank you |
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| 23:23.10 | Duelist | one of my first steps in solving computer problems is to make sure the CPU is clocked at its marked speed |
| 23:23.16 | patterson | heh |
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| 23:23.20 | Vasistha | mtnman: alls I'm sayin' is that fragmentation CAN be a problem |
| 23:23.23 | mtnman | povaddict: well, there is always the mailing list |
| 23:23.26 | marco13185 | thingfish, there are other uses for watercooling too, like no sound. So if you're gonna get the cooling, you might as well overclock |
| 23:23.40 | PovAddict | I installed Insight (gdb GUI front-end) and I get a message box saying GDB: Cannot initialize thread debugging library: generic error |
| 23:23.41 | patterson | silent pc review |
| 23:23.44 | mtnman | vasistha: and i said it is negligable in the face of being pwned. |
| 23:23.46 | PovAddict | am I missing some package? |
| 23:23.49 | Vasistha | Duelist: really... what, do you do computer support for gamers/ |
| 23:24.03 | patterson | wonder if PovAddict has an updated system |
| 23:24.08 | patterson | like gcc |
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| 23:24.22 | thingfish | marco13185: no sound is fine, if that's your goal, but overclocking is too much of a risk. |
| 23:24.29 | patterson | or some path junk.but I know nothing |
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| 23:24.32 | Duelist | Vasistha: no. and trying to get games to run faster is a really stupid excuse for permanently damaging your hardware or OS installation |
| 23:24.44 | PovAddict | gcc 3.3.5 |
| 23:24.44 | Duelist | that's what a Playstation is for |
| 23:24.49 | thingfish | if you have so much money that you can risk ruining it and having to buy new components, just buy an alienware outright. |
| 23:24.55 | amphi | Duelist: OTOH, 'undervolting' seems to work well |
| 23:24.56 | patterson | never mind |
| 23:25.02 | mtnman | duelist: well, os installation should not be too much of a risk if you have done backups... |
| 23:25.18 | bztunk | lol backups |
| 23:25.19 | Vasistha | Duelist: what kinds of situations do you run across where people's systems are overclocked? |
| 23:25.20 | Duelist | mtnman: how many gamers back up their gaming box? |
| 23:25.25 | beetlepun_ | Vasistha, thingfish, jellyho, thanks for the feedback.. :) |
| 23:25.33 | mtnman | duelist: i have *no* idea |
| 23:25.34 | jjazz | thingfish: It's a hobby. Some people buy cheap cars and then spend thousands on performance mods. |
| 23:25.43 | marco13185 | thingfish, yes, but if you're smart about it and you have good cooling, the risk is greatly reduced and the rewards are often great. Take that batch of Opterons that went out a while back, you could overclock them to 4+ Ghz with little more than standard cooling. |
| 23:25.46 | Duelist | Vasistha: mainly, idiots too cheap to buy the CPU they really need |
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| 23:26.07 | bztunk | join #hardware |
| 23:26.09 | thingfish | marco13185: it boils down to mindset/philosophy. |
| 23:26.09 | Duelist | marco13185: and $DEITY help you if the chip fails |
| 23:26.13 | Vasistha | Duelist: hmmm. yeah, that's especially idiotic when you consider how significant a larger cache is. |
| 23:26.22 | marco13185 | Duelist, heh |
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| 23:27.03 | thingfish | damn I love greg pappanastos |
| 23:27.12 | jjazz | Vasistha: It's not idiotic. The goal isn't to get the fastest machine or even to get the fastest machine per dollar. It's to wring the most performance out of the hardware in front of you. |
| 23:27.13 | thingfish | (a dj) |
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| 23:27.56 | thingfish | I'll just say this: when I was a kid, I cared about speed and performance. Now that I'm older and wiser, I'll take stability any day. |
| 23:28.10 | johnsu01 | Well, I fixed one potential problem with fonts by adding /usr/share/fonts/X11 to the font path and running mkfontdir, but that doesn't help imagemagick. |
| 23:28.22 | jjazz | thingfish: And you probably don't drive as fast as you used to either. |
| 23:28.27 | Vasistha | jjazz: true, but Duelist seemed to be referring to people buying a cheap cpu and immediately overclocking it. Personally, my main thing right now is I need more RAM, 192MB is just causing too much swapping right now |
| 23:28.27 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:28.44 | thingfish | jjazz: that's only because I used to have a mustang and now I have a honda. ;) |
| 23:28.54 | abrotman | thingfish: s2000 ? |
| 23:28.58 | patterson | there are occasional cpus that beg to be run faster |
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| 23:29.04 | jjazz | Vasistha: It's a hobby. I know people that buy cheap cars and then mod them up. They just enjoy the process of it all. |
| 23:29.07 | abrotman | patterson: 486? |
| 23:29.11 | mtnman | thingfish: some of those hondas go pretty fast |
| 23:29.16 | thingfish | hah no abrotman it's a 95 lx |
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| 23:29.32 | stoned | up |
| 23:29.34 | dbe | how do I verify .sig files? |
| 23:29.36 | abrotman | thingfish: i didn't know they made s2000 in 95 |
| 23:29.37 | patterson | but. if you have to water cool it or stick it in an aquarium filled with oil |
| 23:29.39 | thingfish | mtnman: oh for sure! this little baby gets up and rockets out. |
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| 23:29.46 | jjazz | abrotman: Not watching the game? |
| 23:29.47 | Vasistha | jjazz: yeah, that's a good point. but modding a cheap car... see, a civic is a neat car. There's nothing particularly sexy about a centrino. |
| 23:29.48 | thingfish | abrotman: it's not an s2000. |
| 23:29.49 | TheX1le | I just trashed suse 10 and put debian on my box, only feature i miss, is, the colored text based on what file type. is there a way to do that in debian? |
| 23:29.52 | jelly-ho | dbe: gpg file.sig |
| 23:29.59 | thingfish | abrotman: it's an accord lx. |
| 23:30.00 | jjazz | Vasistha: true that |
| 23:30.03 | thingfish | 4-dr. |
| 23:30.06 | onetinsoldier | anyone think they can help me get a gamepad working? i mknod the device files(which get erased on a reboot) and modprobe the modules but no luck so far. i am using etch so i guess it's supposed to be recognized on bootup automatically anyway, but i don't know what to try at this point as i am pretty sure i have every module that is needed compiled into my kernel configuration |
| 23:30.06 | dbe | jelly-ho, thank you |
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| 23:30.11 | abrotman | thingfish: an s2000 accord lx .. interesting ... |
| 23:30.12 | mtnman | thingfish; same engine block as the preludes across all the models, i've been told. |
| 23:30.14 | valdyn | TheX1le: ls --color |
| 23:30.16 | thingfish | the mustang was just a 6-banger. |
| 23:30.17 | patterson | or even just a zalman air fan |
| 23:30.21 | stoned | I drive a 1981 honda |
| 23:30.23 | jelly-ho | dbe: but you must first import the relevant public key. |
| 23:30.23 | stoned | :D |
| 23:30.24 | jjazz | thingfish: Man, I drove a low-end 4-door accord cross country a few times. Great car. Civics rock too. |
| 23:30.33 | onetinsoldier | TheX1le: yes.. edit .bashrc in your #HOME dir |
| 23:30.35 | thingfish | abrotman: what are you nuts or something? no, it's not an s2000! |
| 23:30.35 | Vasistha | TheX1le: yes. I think alias ls `ls --color` |
| 23:30.36 | patterson | and hoity toity crosair etal |
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| 23:30.56 | stew | TheX1le: edit your .bashrc and uncomment the line that aliases ls to ls --color=auto |
| 23:30.56 | TheX1le | thanks guys |
| 23:30.57 | abrotman | thingfish: it should be |
| 23:30.58 | dbe | jelly-ho, I have no public key, how do I generate one? |
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| 23:31.10 | stoned | I have a 92 prelude, converted to a deisel engine, manual gear shift |
| 23:31.16 | amahbod | hello. i am trying to setup my x server, but i can't get it to recognize my USB mouse; i tried /dev/input/mice but it says "no such device" |
| 23:31.16 | thingfish | abrotman: maybe I don't know what that is then. |
| 23:31.26 | stew | amahbod: modprobe mousedev |
| 23:31.30 | jelly-ho | dbe: not _your_, from the one who generated the .sig. |
| 23:31.30 | jjazz | dbe: Perhaps you want to man ssh-keygen |
| 23:31.31 | Vasistha | amahbod: kernel 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 23:31.35 | abrotman | thingfish: yes you do .. it's the little two seater |
| 23:31.39 | thingfish | abrotman: I only know how to drive it. |
| 23:31.55 | thingfish | abrotman: oh no, this thing is a family car. |
| 23:32.11 | amahbod | wow this is really weird... it only moves the mouse on the Y axis! |
| 23:32.18 | amahbod | (when within X) |
| 23:32.19 | thingfish | Very much in need of a muffler, too. |
| 23:32.21 | PovAddict | lol |
| 23:32.27 | mond00 | anyone in here run Gforge on Debian? |
| 23:32.32 | amahbod | Vasistha 2.6.18 |
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| 23:32.36 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 23:32.40 | cunakya | amahbod: much more likely to be a hardware problem |
| 23:32.56 | abrotman | thingfish: i know .. i'll stop playing with you now |
| 23:32.57 | Rug | I have a debian firewall. In /etc/network/interfaces should the line read: gatewaydev=ppp0 _or_ gatewaydev ppp0 ????? |
| 23:32.58 | Duelist | Vasistha: you get by on 192M? |
| 23:32.59 | cunakya | amahbod: or is it only within X? |
| 23:33.00 | amahbod | cunakya it was working before i completely reinstalled due to a hard drive failure |
| 23:33.01 | dbe | jelly-ho, I have downloaded a .sig file from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu+linux-distros/ututo-e/ but I don't know where to get the public key to verify it |
| 23:33.06 | Fluten | my machine keeps spitting out my network information. i have to run /sbin/dhclient every few minutes, or i will lose my network connection. what could be causing this? |
| 23:33.07 | thingfish | abrotman: DebConf is over! |
| 23:33.09 | mtnman | cunakya: i disagree. seems that his mouse is not config'd properly. |
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| 23:33.12 | amahbod | with the same XF86 config |
| 23:33.14 | Duelist | that's impressive. I need at least 256M, currently have 384M |
| 23:33.16 | Vasistha | amahbod: that is strange, though admittedly not unheard of. have you seen the mouse work reliably on a different computer and/or os? |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | thingfish: i know |
| 23:33.19 | amahbod | but now i am running xorg |
| 23:33.27 | amahbod | or rather trying to run xorg |
| 23:33.28 | amahbod | :P |
| 23:33.38 | thingfish | abrotman: how did your system take to mexico? |
| 23:33.39 | Vasistha | Duelist: I'm using a laptop built in 1999. |
| 23:33.40 | stew | amahbod: which protocol are you using for the mouse? |
| 23:33.45 | Fluten | i also had a machine last night that was configured statically, and would decide to ask my dhcp server for an ip every few minutes and replace all the manual information |
| 23:34.01 | stew | Fluten: man interfaces |
| 23:34.07 | jelly-ho | dbe: download both the archive and the corresponding signature. then do gpg whatever.sig |
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| 23:34.19 | patterson | split in september. triana oct. rome last week oct |
| 23:34.23 | Vasistha | Duelist: although I just learned recently that the laptop will support 256 + 64 = ... 320 MB, I just have to get a certain type of module, not just any 256 module will work |
| 23:34.25 | abrotman | thingfish: erm .. didn't go ? |
| 23:34.33 | thingfish | abrotman: I thought you went! |
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| 23:34.40 | abrotman | thingfish: nerp |
| 23:34.43 | amahbod | stew it is a logitech bluetooth mouse / keyboard desktop set with a usb bluetooth reciever. |
| 23:34.51 | jelly-ho | dbe: then gpg complains that ... "gpg: Signature made ... using RSA key ID 23D2FAC3" and "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
| 23:35.15 | dbe | jelly-ho, where do I get the archive? I have never used GPG before, sorry |
| 23:35.20 | Duelist | Vasistha: ah. 320M should be plenty. xevious (my desktop) dates from the same era |
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| 23:35.29 | Vasistha | Duelist: I use kde and it is sometimes slow as hell... I use a large swap, so I can keep lots of apps running. |
| 23:35.46 | Vasistha | Duelist: that's good to hear. definitely my next hardware purchase! |
| 23:35.55 | Fluten | stew, might it be related to the network card? the one that keeps on losing routing information is wireless. |
| 23:36.16 | Duelist | Vasistha: I quit using KDE for GNOME about a year and a half ago (?) |
| 23:36.18 | stew | Fluten: how did you set it to be static a static ip? |
| 23:36.19 | Duelist | something like that |
| 23:36.36 | Fluten | stew, in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:36.37 | Vasistha | Duelist: do you feel like chatting in #offtopic ? |
| 23:36.38 | jelly-ho | dbe: .sig file goes together with another file. Like linux-2.6.16.tar.gz and linux-2.6.16.tar.gz.sign, .sign is used to verify that the actual archive/iso image/whatever is authentic. |
| 23:36.44 | Duelist | Vasistha: sure |
| 23:36.44 | dbe | jelly-ho, Detached signature. Please enter name of data file: |
| 23:36.51 | stew | Fluten: if dhclient is still running, kill it |
| 23:36.59 | amahbod | anyone else have suggestions? |
| 23:37.04 | dbe | jelly-ho, that's my output when i run "gpg file.sig" |
| 23:37.09 | stew | 19:36 < stew> amahbod: which protocol are you using for the mouse? |
| 23:37.16 | amahbod | i responded! |
| 23:37.27 | abrotman | amahbod: that's not a protocol |
| 23:37.31 | jelly-ho | dbe: you have to download both "file" and "file.sig" to check the "file" authenticity. |
| 23:37.38 | amahbod | abrotman i dont know what that means then -_- |
| 23:37.47 | abrotman | amahbod: IMPS/2 or what? |
| 23:37.49 | amahbod | ohhh |
| 23:37.51 | dbe | jelly-ho, so I point at the file ok |
| 23:37.54 | amahbod | PS/2 |
| 23:37.55 | abrotman | amahbod: in your X config tool thingie |
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| 23:38.01 | abrotman | amahbod: so tell stew :) |
| 23:38.02 | thingfish | I would've liked to have gone, if for no other purpose than to have planted about a half kilo of heroin in marc shuttlesworth's luggage. |
| 23:38.08 | jelly-ho | dbe: the signature by itself is worthless. |
| 23:38.08 | amahbod | ImPS/2 |
| 23:38.15 | amahbod | stew ImPS/2 |
| 23:38.24 | amahbod | abrotman: ty. |
| 23:38.30 | stoned | I love amarok |
| 23:38.35 | dbe | jelly-ho, I know, I'm just confused and tired =) |
| 23:38.44 | stew | amahbod: maybe try Exporer/whatever its is called |
| 23:38.45 | stoned | I couldn't find a way to manipulate my custom playlist as I wanted |
| 23:38.48 | dbe | jelly-ho, thank you |
| 23:38.48 | stew | Explorer |
| 23:38.50 | stoned | oh crap |
| 23:38.51 | stoned | wrong channel |
| 23:38.59 | abrotman | thingfish: you could have gone ... |
| 23:39.09 | amahbod | stew ? |
| 23:39.12 | abrotman | thingfish: asg wants someone to organize a #debian-conf :) |
| 23:39.37 | Fluten | stew, could it be the wireless card? i once in a while get "receive_packet failed on wlan0: Network is down" when running dhclient. |
| 23:39.38 | thingfish | abrotman: what's supposed to happen with #debian-conf? |
| 23:39.46 | jelly-ho | dbe: if you have eg. foo.iso and foo.iso.sig in the same directory, and do "gpg foo.iso.sig", gpg should know what is the data file. If it's called differently, then you get the prompt for the data file like you did. |
| 23:39.51 | abrotman | thingfish: i have no idea .. all i can imagine is an extended bartour |
| 23:39.59 | thingfish | hehe yay! |
| 23:40.02 | stew | Fluten: no |
| 23:40.04 | abrotman | thingfish: PHILLY! |
| 23:40.05 | Fluten | stew, but i dont see why i would lose my route information just from the wifi card fluking for a second |
| 23:40.27 | stew | amahbod: try using hte Explorer/PS2 protocol instead of ImPS/2 |
| 23:40.28 | amahbod | stew what is explorer? |
| 23:40.35 | amahbod | Stew thanks |
| 23:40.36 | stew | another protocol |
| 23:40.56 | thingfish | man anything to get me out of kansas city. |
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| 23:41.07 | nefertum | wich tool can I use to remove lib packages wich are not used by any other pkg? |
| 23:41.15 | stew | Fluten: it wouldn't. but if dhclient was running it would reset your network every 5 minutes or so |
| 23:41.24 | stew | nefertum: deborphan or debfoster |
| 23:41.30 | amahbod | stew unknown protocol. |
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| 23:41.37 | nefertum | aha, thanks stew |
| 23:41.42 | johnsu01 | display will work with -font specified. But there is no /etc area for imagemagick stuff. Any ideas where to set the font, other than a shell alias? |
| 23:42.15 | PovAddict | amahbod: use a colon between the nickname and the message please 'stew: thanks' |
| 23:42.18 | PovAddict | gets confusing |
| 23:42.19 | Rug | I have a debian firewall. In /etc/network/interfaces should the line read: gatewaydev=ppp0 _or_ gatewaydev ppp0 ????? |
| 23:42.31 | jelly-ho | dbe: to get a public key from a keyserver use eg. "gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys D3ADB33F", where D3ADB33F is the key id that "gpg file.sig" complained about. |
| 23:42.32 | jjazz | abrotman: I suppose we could all join #debian-conf... |
| 23:42.47 | onetinsoldier | amahbod: i'm not sure... but you can try, exps2 |
| 23:42.51 | stew | amahbod: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; ExplorerPS/2 will be one of the choices |
| 23:42.51 | abrotman | jjazz: i don't thnik that's what he meant :) |
| 23:43.02 | abrotman | thingfish: you have family here! |
| 23:43.04 | Fluten | stew, my network settings in the laptop dont reset, the settings i see when i type route just dissappear. |
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| 23:43.41 | stew | 19:36 < Fluten> i also had a machine last night that was configured statically, and would decide to ask my dhcp server for an ip every few minutes and replace all the manual information |
| 23:43.55 | stew | ^^^ that is what i was trying to address, are you talking about somehting else now? |
| 23:44.51 | Fluten | stew, sorry if i confused you, i probably shouldnt of also mentioned that. the main thing i'm talking about is the route settings disappearing on my wifi laptop every few minutes |
| 23:44.58 | dbe | jelly-ho, thanks again |
| 23:45.06 | amahbod | stew it still doesnt work |
| 23:45.19 | onetinsoldier | anyone think they can help me get a gamepad working? i mknod the device files(which get erased on a reboot) and modprobe the modules but no luck so far. i am using etch so i guess it's supposed to be recognized on bootup automatically anyway, but i don't know what to try at this point as i am pretty sure i have every module that is needed compiled into my kernel configuration |
| 23:45.20 | amahbod | stew i figured out that it bound middle click to the x axis |
| 23:45.28 | amahbod | is there any way to custom-bind my mouse |
| 23:45.32 | thingfish | abrotman: yes I do - some of them are even still alive! |
| 23:45.58 | abrotman | thingfish: guess they haven't been in my car while i'm driving |
| 23:46.04 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:46.04 | stoned | amahbod, yes there is, the button mappings are controlled through x's conf |
| 23:46.17 | Fluten | stew, maybe it was the card, the settings havnt gone away for a while |
| 23:46.19 | thingfish | abrotman: same here, if you listen to my partner. |
| 23:46.27 | stoned | partner ;) |
| 23:46.29 | nefertum | stew: when i list the orphaned packages, how can I remove them |
| 23:46.37 | stoned | thingfish, I've got one of them |
| 23:46.45 | nefertum | must I select all and remove with apt-get remove? |
| 23:46.50 | stew | !deborphan |
| 23:46.51 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 23:46.53 | thingfish | I guess they keep us in line. |
| 23:46.59 | stoned | nefertum, apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` |
| 23:47.09 | nefertum | mm, thanks stoned |
| 23:47.17 | stoned | nefertum, you're welcome |
| 23:47.35 | PovAddict | or use aptitude :) - removes and _ purges |
| 23:48.33 | stoned | aptitude has what debfoster used to |
| 23:48.35 | stoned | not in sarge |
| 23:48.48 | amahbod | does anyone know how i can manually set my x and y axis for my mouse? |
| 23:48.48 | stoned | but I like deborphan more, its cleaner |
| 23:48.49 | abrotman | thingfish: doesn't like your S2000 eh? |
| 23:48.57 | thingfish | oh fuck you |
| 23:48.59 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:49.07 | stoned | amahbod, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:49.22 | amahbod | stoned i know that, but what lines can i add for X and Y axis' |
| 23:49.38 | stoned | amahbod, look at the input device section |
| 23:50.07 | stoned | amahbod, I am not certain. There is a Z axis mapping, follow the same syntax for X.Y |
| 23:50.15 | jelly-ho | stoned: but deborphan only trims edges. debfoster kills everything you don't keep explicitely. |
| 23:50.18 | amahbod | stoned lol. thats what i figured too but it isnt working |
| 23:50.26 | stoned | jelly, like I said, deborphan is cleaner |
| 23:50.30 | stoned | or simpler I should say |
| 23:50.34 | stew | amahbod: man 4 mouse |
| 23:50.45 | stew | err |
| 23:50.45 | magyar | looking for debian "deboostrap" channel |
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| 23:50.57 | stoned | magyar, #debian-boot |
| 23:51.07 | magyar | stoned: thx |
| 23:51.17 | stoned | magyar, you're welcome |
| 23:51.38 | stoned | s/jelly/jelly-ho |
| 23:51.46 | stoned | damn tab |
| 23:52.09 | abrotman | i don't think #debian-boot is a debootstrap channel .. but oh well |
| 23:52.11 | amahbod | stew my real question is why did this confing work in X11R6 and now is not working in R7 |
| 23:52.34 | stew | i don't know, check the bts |
| 23:52.36 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: because the locations of files have changed in R7 from 6. |
| 23:52.39 | stoned | abrotman, I'd figure it would be that because it is related. sorry, I didn't mean to give out false information |
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| 23:53.14 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You can't talk to a psycho like a normal human being! |
| 23:53.32 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: that was normal? |
| 23:53.42 | stoned | if someone actually proclaims to be a scary guy, I think you might wanna be scared |
| 23:53.50 | stoned | cuz thats a psycho ;) |
| 23:54.44 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.54 | stoned | maybe just claim |
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| 23:57.08 | Rug | darn |
| 23:57.15 | stoned | am I lagging |
| 23:57.28 | Rug | well modifing gateway dev does cause problems |
| 23:58.21 | amahbod | stew should i perhaps use the evdev driver instead of the mouse driver? |
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| 23:58.58 | thingfish | stoned: no, you 're not lagging, you're just stoned. |
| 23:58.59 | _gass_ | hello there |
| 23:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 801] by debhelper |
| 23:59.01 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:59.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 23:59.19 | _gass_ | what do i use to compile a .java program, in sarge? what provides JAVA_HOME? |
| 23:59.22 | stew | amahbod: did you check the bts yet? |
| 23:59.25 | thingfish | ooh _gass_ + !moo, how artful! |
| 23:59.36 | abrotman | !tell _gass_ about install java |
| 23:59.39 | amahbod | stew bts? i dont know what that is |
| 23:59.55 | amahbod | stew ah the bts |
