| 00:00.14 | zx8_ | i am trying to setup a dwl-650 wireless card in debian |
| 00:00.21 | zx8_ | its a pcmcia card also |
| 00:00.37 | beardy_ | k-god: ? |
| 00:00.43 | k-god | zx8_: There's a limited set of WiFi PCMCIA card supported under Linux. It's a real PITA. |
| 00:00.51 | k-god | beardy_: Don't !tell me stuff on channel. /msg the bots. |
| 00:01.28 | beardy_ | k-god: Please read your backscroll. |
| 00:01.36 | alexk_ | so to install a new kernel.. just aptitude install kernel-name and reboot? |
| 00:01.40 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
| 00:02.01 | JordiGH | alexk_: Pretty much. apt-get install, I think you mean, though. |
| 00:02.13 | k-god | beardy_: Stop wasting my time. |
| 00:02.22 | beardy_ | k-god: What the fuck is your problem? |
| 00:02.30 | alexk_ | Is apt-get preferred to aptitude for kernel upgrades? |
| 00:02.50 | k-god | alexk_: I prefer aptitude in general. /msg dpkg aptitude and read the mailing list post. |
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| 00:03.05 | JordiGH | alexk_: It's preferred by me because I like using clis sometimes. |
| 00:03.15 | beardy_ | Damn he's stupid.. |
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| 00:03.19 | nethenson | hi |
| 00:03.26 | alexk_ | JordiGH: i only use the cli... aptitude works fine in it |
| 00:03.37 | JordiGH | aptitude has a cli? I didn't know that. |
| 00:03.47 | k-god | JordiGH: Both apt-get and aptitude are CLI. aptitude is largely argument compatible with apt-get. |
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| 00:03.50 | JordiGH | I thought it had an ncurses interface. |
| 00:03.54 | zx8_ | it uses a prism2 chipset dudes |
| 00:03.56 | k-god | JordiGH: It has both. |
| 00:04.00 | TeamCanada|Silen | how do I remount everything in fstab? (not mount -a) |
| 00:04.01 | JordiGH | Ah, nice. |
| 00:04.09 | ggeecko | is cacti easy to configure |
| 00:04.09 | pdbogen | Is there a reason I might want to use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
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| 00:04.53 | tabris|away | uhhh. if you like interfaces instead of commandline |
| 00:05.09 | Nodenode | sometimes, it's so easy, most others are so hard |
| 00:05.16 | k-god | pdbogen: /msg dpkg aptitude. Read the referenced mailing list post. At least 9 reasons. |
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| 00:06.24 | k-god | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html |
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| 00:06.51 | k-god | TeamCanada|Silen: No specific method. Easy enough at the shell. |
| 00:07.09 | JordiGH | While we're on the topic of Your Software Sucks, Use Mine Instead, how does synaptic compare with aptitude? |
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| 00:07.42 | k-god | JordiGH: Dunno. I generally dislike GUIs. |
| 00:07.58 | pdbogen | k-god : #2 in that seems like the best reason. |
| 00:08.03 | k-god | JordiGH: I find aptitude's search and display features very slick. Can run it in a screen session, access it as needed. |
| 00:08.26 | hjubal | bye |
| 00:08.36 | k-god | pdbogen: Logging's saved my ass more than once. If you know what got installed/removed, it's easy enough to remove/reinstall it. |
| 00:09.01 | JordiGH | Wow. Ok. I think I'm being converted. |
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| 00:09.31 | k-god | pdbogen: I'd pay good money for 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, and 9. |
| 00:10.17 | beardy_ | !say k-god: You should really read your /lastlog beardy_ |
| 00:10.18 | dpkg | k-god: You should really read your /lastlog beardy_ |
| 00:10.37 | k-god | beardy_: Stop abusing bots. |
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| 00:11.12 | JordiGH | k-god, uh, I do believe there was a misunderstanding here. beardy_ was telling *ME* not to use !tell me commands with the bot. |
| 00:11.26 | beardy_ | JordiGH: Thankyou. |
| 00:11.38 | k-god | JordiGH: In which case he's aware of what I was telling him and making a federal case of it is a waste of time. |
| 00:11.41 | JordiGH | k-god: But it looks like you thought beardy_ was using the bot for that purpose. |
| 00:11.48 | Tiberio | bye bye |
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| 00:12.10 | k-god | JordiGH: ... and if he's aware we both know this he's wasting time and bandwidth. End discussion. |
| 00:12.26 | JordiGH | Er, I don't get it. But suit yourself. |
| 00:12.29 | beardy_ | JordiGH: But perhaps he is what I thought at first anyway, it seems, well.. |
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| 00:12.39 | beardy_ | JordiGH: Thanks anyway. |
| 00:12.50 | k-god | JordiGH: It's an attitude thing. |
| 00:13.11 | k-god | beardy_: A "you got the wrong guy" "Oh, sorry" would have been more than sufficient. |
| 00:13.42 | beardy_ | k-god: Are you saying I should have said "Oh, sorry"? |
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| 00:13.55 | stoned | im saying you both shut up and chil |
| 00:13.57 | k-god | beardy_: No, you idiot, *I* should have. |
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| 00:14.06 | k-god | stoned: That was my initial response. |
| 00:14.08 | stoned | word |
| 00:14.09 | stoned | :) |
| 00:14.21 | JordiGH | ????? |
| 00:14.29 | k-god | beardy_: I fucked up. Sorry. Enough already. |
| 00:14.34 | JordiGH | Oh. |
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| 00:15.16 | beardy_ | k-god: Or you could have scrolled back and read it over, as I suggested. |
| 00:15.21 | beardy_ | k-god: Fine, yes enough. |
| 00:15.44 | k-god | beardy_: This terminal doesn't scroll. Anyhow, I'm done. I'd ignored you because I didn't want to discuss this. Which obviously *still* isn't working. |
| 00:15.57 | stoned | dpkg m4a3mp3 is to convert m4a files to mp3 files http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/m4a_mp3.shtml |
| 00:15.57 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 00:16.05 | stoned | !m4a2mp3 |
| 00:16.12 | stoned | doh |
| 00:16.13 | stoned | fuck |
| 00:16.13 | k-god | beardy_: ... and if you need to ask, OS X. |
| 00:16.23 | iceeey | if I want to dual boot debian and windows, which should I install first? |
| 00:16.23 | pdbogen | ~m4a2mp3 |
| 00:16.29 | JordiGH | iceey: Windows. |
| 00:16.38 | stoned | m4a3mp3 screweed up |
| 00:16.43 | JordiGH | iceeey: Because Windows is impolite and overwrites the MBR without asking first. |
| 00:16.44 | beardy_ | k-god: Doesn't it have nicer irc-clients, which can scroll? |
| 00:16.47 | stoned | how do you fix a typo |
| 00:16.52 | pdbogen | dpkg forget m4a3mp3 |
| 00:16.53 | dpkg | i forgot m4a3mp3, pdbogen |
| 00:16.56 | stoned | word |
| 00:16.58 | k-god | beardy_: None nicer than irssi. And it's terminal.app that fucks up. |
| 00:17.02 | beardy_ | stoned: dpkg, no, factoid is something else |
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| 00:17.09 | beardy_ | k-god: I see. |
| 00:17.11 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: terminal.app does scroll. :) |
| 00:17.12 | k-god | beardy_: ... better display than my thinkpad. |
| 00:17.15 | stoned | dpkg m4a2mp3 is to convert m4a files to mp3 files http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/m4a_mp3.shtml |
| 00:17.15 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 00:17.18 | stoned | thanks |
| 00:17.20 | pdbogen | BitchX does scroll. |
| 00:17.21 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: It steals scroll from apps within it. |
| 00:17.48 | beardy_ | k-god: But if you run irssi, it should scroll fine, irssi itself I mean. |
| 00:17.49 | TeamCanada|Silen | is there linux for palm pilots/pdas? |
| 00:17.52 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: Yes. But it *can* scroll. And it looks pretty much the same. :) |
| 00:18.03 | stoned | TeamCanada|Silen, yes |
| 00:18.06 | k-god | beardy_: Can we just quit with the tired arguments right now. |
| 00:18.14 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : Sometimes, but they're highly specialized. |
| 00:18.16 | dvs | stoned: that was helpful. ;-) |
| 00:18.22 | stoned | heh |
| 00:18.27 | k-god | beardy_: Trust me. It doesn't scroll. I can switch to rooted X session but then I have no GUI browsers. |
| 00:18.34 | stoned | dvs, m4a? or TeamCanada|Silen response |
| 00:18.40 | dvs | TeamCanada|Silen: |
| 00:18.43 | stoned | lol |
| 00:18.50 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: above goes for you too. |
| 00:20.10 | belkin | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin tell me " which will allow no damage to be done to your system files and still permit the Java distribution to successfully extract. " anyi deea ? |
| 00:20.10 | stoned | TeamCanada|Silen, use google to find out which linux is avialable for palm . here is one, http://palm-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:20.25 | beardy_ | k-god: You have an attitude that makes it difficult to talk to you, and that can easily upset people, and it's not an insult, only a hint, but I'll be quiet now. |
| 00:20.32 | JordiGH | That reminds me. I want the penguin on my iPod. |
| 00:20.37 | k-god | beardy_: Thanks for your input. |
| 00:20.54 | dvs | stoned: I would have recommended jpilot but that'll do. |
| 00:21.00 | belkin | JordiGH what package are you using to manage your ipod ? |
| 00:21.02 | solemnwarning | I don't get why people buy palms, ect |
| 00:21.15 | nima | if i get a cert for *.foo.bar, it doesnt work with just foo.bar, anyone know a way around this? |
| 00:21.20 | solemnwarning | they dont really have fast enough processors to do anything big |
| 00:21.25 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: So when I hit shift-page up and it scrolls. I've just been dreaming this all this time? # And note that I'm honestly confused and curious about what you are on about here but you know me well enough to know it'll come with a large order of snark. :P |
| 00:21.26 | pdbogen | nima: Get a cert for foo.bar. |
| 00:21.27 | JordiGH | belkin: I have no idea how to do it. But I know I can install some distro on the iPod. There's a wiki somewhere... |
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| 00:21.35 | dvs | solemnwarning: because they're too broke to buy BlackBerries |
| 00:21.36 | pdbogen | nima : Or get a cert for *.bar, ha ha ha. |
| 00:21.36 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Not here. |
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| 00:21.47 | stoned | solemnwarning, i don't either. they are hard to use, shitty, crappy, I'd rather just carry a light laptop around. thsse days the good ones can be really really light, less than 5 lbs |
| 00:21.49 | TeamCanada|Silen | or laptops |
| 00:21.50 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: *book? |
| 00:21.55 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Actually, rxvt under a rootless X11 server. |
| 00:22.00 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: MacBook Pro. |
| 00:22.04 | TeamCanada|Silen | no |
| 00:22.06 | TeamCanada|Silen | never mac |
| 00:22.22 | nima | pdbogen, then it wont work with rab.foo.bar |
| 00:22.28 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: Ahh. So not terminal.app? :) |
| 00:22.31 | stoned | I've got deb/ppc running on powerbook 3400c laptop, works fantastically |
| 00:22.33 | nima | *.bar would, though :-) |
| 00:22.41 | stoned | its actually been running sarge since its testing phase |
| 00:22.43 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Same behavior, different shit. |
| 00:22.46 | pdbogen | nima : The first one was a suggestion that you get *.foo.bar AND foo.bar. |
| 00:23.00 | pdbogen | nima : I believe that's the only correct solution. I doubt you can get a proper certy for *.com issued. :P |
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| 00:23.09 | belkin | JordiGH i asked what package do you use to manage your songs for your ipod under debian :) |
| 00:23.16 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Just to prove my point.... |
| 00:23.21 | richartcont | hello, i installed etch, but when i try login and typed my user and pass in the gdm, it show unknown characters, what can i do? |
| 00:23.22 | stoned | belkin, have you tried Amarok? |
| 00:23.39 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Shift-scrollup scrolls the message line (screen, just fired up terminal app). |
| 00:24.01 | belkin | stoned does it work ? i tryed gtkipod and bushee or whatever the name is :) |
| 00:24.05 | JordiGH | belkin: I know you did. But I don't do that yet. I'll bet it be easier once I have Linux on the iPod. :) |
| 00:24.06 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Dittos command-up, or shift, alt, ctrl modifiers on both. |
| 00:24.09 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Satisfied.? |
| 00:24.16 | streuner | richartcont: read BTS? |
| 00:24.35 | belkin | JordiGH you dont get me man :)) |
| 00:24.47 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Yes, it pisses me off. No, I don't care to be told that I'm not seeing what I'm seeing. |
| 00:24.48 | nima | pdbogen, thanks |
| 00:25.00 | pdbogen | Sure. |
| 00:25.15 | stoned | belkin, there is only one bug with easytab, amarok, xmms, other stuff in linux, and some progs in windows, that will not TAG the GENRE/label in m4a files. nothing fatal, no crashes, just dont' change genre or tag the mp3 in linux, then play in ipod, or it will be corrupt, expected behaviour. you can use amarok with ipod otherwise, and it work slike a frucking charm |
| 00:25.26 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: *sigh* Stop being a defensive twat. :P It took me a while to figure out how to make it scroll myself thus my honest curiousty. :) |
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| 00:25.58 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: I've spent more than a little time trying to fix it. If you've got a known good fix, great. |
| 00:25.59 | belkin | stoned i will try it out then .. thanks |
| 00:26.20 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Meantime, the original issue was that dealing with scrollback right now more or less exactly sucks. Which was my original point. |
| 00:26.22 | stoned | s/mp3/m4a |
| 00:26.43 | JordiGH | To wit, it's not my iPod. It's my girlfriend's iPod. I have no idea how she uses it, but I want to install Linux on it, just to see if I can. |
| 00:27.16 | dvs | JordiGH: She'll REALLy appreciate that. ;-) |
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| 00:27.41 | htrp | hello. i have 2 harddrives connected to my computer. but how come its not detecting it? do i have to mount it or something? |
| 00:27.46 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: For me it was a matter of figuring out what modifier I had set in Terminal Inspector. But I've only done it in terminal.app with the standard GUI. I've not played with x11 at all. |
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| 00:27.54 | htrp | back in ubuntu, it was already mounted |
| 00:27.54 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Anyhow, I'm a mac user, not a mac lover. Happens to have a nicer display and longer battery life than the alternative. |
| 00:27.56 | dvs | htrp: Intel 9xx chipset? |
| 00:28.11 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: OK. WTF's terminal inspector? |
| 00:28.16 | htrp | dvs: what you mean? chipset otf what? |
| 00:28.17 | htrp | of* |
| 00:28.23 | dvs | htrp: your computer |
| 00:28.28 | htrp | yeah |
| 00:28.34 | htrp | its intel |
| 00:28.49 | cshaman | Despite Sun's Java licensing scheme, is it possible to install JDK1.5 on a Debian system? |
| 00:28.55 | FirstLite | When burning cds (under unstable) with cdrecord, are we supposed to be using ATAPI or ide-scsi nowadays? cdrecord says that the ATA kernel code is unmaintained and "slow" (no DMA) |
| 00:29.00 | JordiGH | dvs: She already uses KDE, OO.o, and Firefox without really noticing much of a change. It's possible! |
| 00:29.02 | htrp | when i do: df -l , i don't see any drive but my default one and /tmp |
| 00:29.07 | dvs | htrp: lspci | grep Host |
| 00:29.15 | k-god | FirstLite: I've generally used ide-scsi. |
| 00:29.18 | streuner | FirstLite: ATAPI |
| 00:29.21 | JordiGH | FirstLite: Can you use xcdroast instead? |
| 00:29.23 | k-god | FirstLite: IIRC the atapi code is slower. |
| 00:29.23 | htrp | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 GMCH [Graphics Memory Controller Hub] (rev 03) |
| 00:29.23 | htrp | 0000:01:0a.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133 Host Controller (rev 02) |
| 00:29.30 | JordiGH | !info xcdroast |
| 00:29.37 | dpkg | xcdroast: (X based CD-writer software), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.98+0alpha15-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1831 kB, Installed size: 4660 kB |
| 00:29.48 | streuner | FirstLite: maintainer of cdrecord recommends in 2.6.x kernels ATAPI and NOT ide-scsi |
| 00:29.51 | FirstLite | JordiGH: I could, but doesn't that just call cdrecord? |
| 00:30.04 | k-god | FirstLite: streuner may be more current than me. |
| 00:30.06 | JordiGH | FirstLite: It does, but it asks you fewer questions. :) |
| 00:30.11 | htrp | dvs: what would be the problem of this? |
| 00:30.33 | dvs | htrp: I'd try the linux26 boot option |
| 00:30.34 | FirstLite | OK, thanks all |
| 00:30.36 | streuner | FirstLite: what kernel do you use? |
| 00:30.44 | streuner | FirstLite: cat /proc/version |
| 00:30.56 | htrp | dvs: should i just install 2.6.* kernel? right now im using 2.4.27 |
| 00:31.02 | FirstLite | streuner: I'm using 2.6.16-1-k7 right now |
| 00:31.13 | dvs | htrp: you have it installed already? |
| 00:31.20 | htrp | dvs: yes |
| 00:31.22 | streuner | FirstLite: well, ATAPI then |
| 00:31.29 | Azar | ;) 2.6.17 beta out |
| 00:31.31 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: From terminal.app go to Termianl in your menu bar, then Window Settings. I'm trying to recall where I found the scrolling stuff in there.... Cause, like I said it was fairly counter-intiutive. |
| 00:31.38 | dvs | htrp: Then which hard drive is it not detecting? |
| 00:31.49 | streuner | FirstLite: if you want the right parameters for cdrecord just run k3b and take a look in top or via ps aux... |
| 00:32.14 | FirstLite | streuner: OK, thanks, I guess I'll just ignore cdrecord's complaints then :) |
| 00:32.32 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Disable buffer? |
| 00:32.35 | streuner | FirstLite: there is BTS ;-) |
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| 00:32.52 | streuner | FirstLite: file a bug if you want |
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| 00:33.00 | htrp | dvs: my other two, the other one is connected to that raid card |
| 00:33.10 | dvs | htrp: Ok. I'd try the 2.6 kernel |
| 00:33.13 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Thing is that both t.a and rvxt exhibit the same behavior under Aqua. *And* there's no true pageup key on the MBP, just a command-key combo with up-arrow. |
| 00:33.17 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Both of which suck. |
| 00:33.21 | htrp | dvs: ic |
| 00:33.31 | dvs | SATA? |
| 00:33.42 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: The key takeaway I'm getting is that truly good textmode app development is actually really hard to do right. |
| 00:33.44 | FirstLite | streuner: I might, if there isn't one already. But I wanted to make sure it wasn't just me :) |
| 00:34.04 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: And neither Apple nor MSFT either 1). have a clue or 2). have any interest in getting it right. |
| 00:34.07 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: Oh yeah. I'm not arguing that it's not hackish and ugly and pretty much sucks. :) Just noting that it can be dome if you poke around enough. :) And no I have my buffer set to 10000 lines. |
| 00:34.16 | streuner | FirstLite: bugreports doesn't hurd (TM)... |
| 00:34.41 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: And I would to a large degree agree with both of your last statements. :) |
| 00:34.46 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: The combination of either console *or* one of the xterm-type apps (I exclude Gnome and KDE terms as unusable), plus a shell, plus screen, is amazingly useful and flexible. |
| 00:34.50 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Thanks. |
| 00:34.57 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: Fair enough. |
| 00:35.24 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: Now. Wanna have some old-skool fun? Granted this is for shits and giggles only but it's fairly amusing. |
| 00:35.33 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: I'm just 1. frustrated with the situation and 2. not particularly interested in debates over phenomonology of being. Useful fixes are appreciated. |
| 00:35.36 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Shoot. |
| 00:36.04 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: I was trying for as close to a semi-useful fix as I had found. :) |
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| 00:36.41 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: So what's this shiggs and gittles bit? |
| 00:37.08 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: Had to find linkaage. http://ldopa.net/2006/01/14/glterminal/ You should get a chuckle out of that. :) |
| 00:37.12 | abrotman | streuner: i have no recollection of ever changing that :) |
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| 00:37.57 | ltordsen | gnufan, are you there? |
| 00:38.13 | gnufan | ltordsen: no |
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| 00:38.17 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Oh dear sweet ghod... |
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| 00:38.34 | ltordsen | i'm the guy who has some stuff for gnu chess soon |
| 00:38.38 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Mind, I had a very similar effect with my old Thinkpad 486 running at about 60 MHz. |
| 00:38.41 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: Hehehe. Reminds me of the days of my misspent youth. :) |
| 00:38.52 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: Hehehe. |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | 486 didn't run at 60Mhz |
| 00:39.06 | k-god | abrotman: It was slow. |
| 00:39.08 | dvs | !beer abrotman |
| 00:39.15 | k-god | abrotman: That's what I recall. Maybe 88 or 66? |
| 00:39.16 | roderyk | Can someone suggest a network storage applicance thats relatively cheap? I'm looking for a 1TB system, so I can do a Raid 1 500GB and hopefully would be running on linux (or something I can convert to linux). The idea is that the appliance should be cheaper than building it from scratch. If this is a misconception, please let me know. : ) |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | dvs: ultimate frisbee is weird! |
| 00:39.34 | dvs | k-god: It's 50 or 100 |
| 00:39.37 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: This thing emulated 1200 baud dialup ... |
| 00:39.41 | gnufan | ltordsen: I realised -- do you want to msg me... save the poor debian folk being abused |
| 00:39.42 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: ... at console ;-) |
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| 00:40.06 | k-god | dvs: I had a 486 DX-80 or so at my first real job. |
| 00:40.11 | k-god | dvs: 8 MB RAM IIRC. |
| 00:40.14 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: Hehehe. Yeah, it's fun. I put on some Femmes and use it to pretend that I'm in High School again. :) |
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| 00:40.23 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 00:40.30 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:40.48 | jmd_ | How can I get around the current brokenness of emacs, and install it on etch? |
| 00:40.51 | dvs | I remember a DX-50 DX4-100 but not a DX-80 |
| 00:41.10 | k-god | dvs: I'm not swearing it's a _correct_ memory, but it _is_ a memory. |
| 00:41.30 | gnufan | roderyk: there is a 50 GBP NAS solution now -- you plug USB disks in. Although not sure how they compare price wise -- what you trying to do with it? |
| 00:41.53 | DragonD | i'm tring to setup dovecot with tls. i've eabled ssl but still can't use tls, any help? |
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| 00:42.09 | scarynetworkguy | dvs: And there comes a point where you don't care if your memories are correct or not cause it's just too fucking depressing to try to sort it all out. :) |
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| 00:42.21 | dvs | heh |
| 00:42.26 | dvs | How try |
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| 00:44.08 | meny | hey can someone please help me ive istalled the ati driver and i see the screen double with a horizontal lines all over |
| 00:44.25 | roderyk | gnufan: I just want to have a shared Raid space for media files and file backups. google brings up some usb solutions (like the linksys one, which has 'unslung' linux conversion) but its limited to 2 usb drives. What's the maximum usb harddrive size right now? |
| 00:44.52 | roderyk | I feel so out of date with the modern hardware ; ) |
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| 00:45.14 | blazemonger | what'sup |
| 00:45.22 | blazemonger | Debian isn't that bad of a distro |
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| 00:45.36 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 00:45.37 | dpkg | Rock rocks! |
| 00:45.38 | dvs | It's the best! |
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| 00:45.57 | blazemonger | i dont like distro wars..all distros are good.. |
| 00:46.01 | romulo | hi, does fsck do bad block checking? |
| 00:46.10 | solemnwarning | ALL distros? |
| 00:46.12 | blazemonger | i have a hard time deciding between debian, ubuntu and slackware |
| 00:46.22 | roderyk | gnufan: except for having to sacrifice an old motherboard and buy an HBA for newer HDs, the reason I was looking for an appliance was that I assumed they're fanless (noise is pretty high on my priority list) |
| 00:46.23 | blazemonger | sohmestra, :yah....it just depends on what your needs are |
| 00:46.43 | streuner | blazemonger: why do you tell us that at this time? |
| 00:46.52 | gnufan | roderyk: you can get cheap VIA motherboard which is fanless. |
| 00:46.54 | avtobiff | i am not able to install debian on my new machine... installer does not find any kernels (because it says that it cannot find Packages.gz on the CD)... i have installed from this cd earlier. also i was not able to run ubuntu live 5.04... |
| 00:47.16 | avtobiff | my machine is a amd64 but should it not be able to run i386 kernels? |
| 00:47.27 | dvs | avtobiff: it should |
| 00:47.32 | avtobiff | :-( |
| 00:47.53 | meny | hey can someone please help me ive istalled the ati driver and i see the screen double with a horizontal lines all over |
| 00:47.55 | dvs | avtobiff: It sounds like a bad CD |
| 00:47.59 | avtobiff | it is really strange that it does the entire install up to installing the kernel without any problems... |
| 00:48.06 | avtobiff | dvs, but i have installed from it earlier. |
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| 00:48.14 | roderyk | gnufan: that was my question, pretty much: I'm having trouble finding price difference of mobo + cpu + ram to buying an integrated appliance |
| 00:48.16 | beardy_ | avtobiff: Using the same cd-drive? |
| 00:48.16 | dvs | scratches? |
| 00:48.20 | avtobiff | perhaps it broke :-/ |
| 00:48.23 | shogunx | meny your vertical sync is incorrect. |
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| 00:48.42 | avtobiff | beardy_, no... this is a new dvd-rw-thingamajig... earlier it was a laptop cd somthing. |
| 00:48.49 | meny | what should i do? |
| 00:49.09 | dvs | meny: Find the right frequencies for your monitor. |
| 00:49.37 | meny | but it worked before ive installed the driver |
| 00:49.48 | shogunx | to prevent the monitor from exploding. |
| 00:49.54 | avtobiff | beardy_, you think it could be somthing with the dvd drive? |
| 00:50.50 | beardy_ | avtobiff: Could be. If you have an extra empty cd, burn it again, and burn it slow, 4x, to be sure. |
| 00:50.52 | abrotman | meny: use the unbroken driver? |
| 00:51.00 | meny | does that mean that there is a problem with the ati driver? |
| 00:51.07 | dvs | YES! |
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| 00:51.29 | meny | is there a solution? |
| 00:51.33 | dvs | hmmmmmmmmmmm........ |
| 00:51.34 | abrotman | meny: yes .. it's binary only .. ask #ati |
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| 00:51.58 | root_ | tem algum brasileiro aqui? |
| 00:52.01 | abrotman | !br |
| 00:52.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:52.05 | meny | ive asked but there is no answer |
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| 00:52.15 | abrotman | right .. but it's thier problem .. |
| 00:52.28 | gnufan | roderyk: Not sure I have an answer -- I suspect build it yourself may work better with GNU/Linux. There are some dedicated NAS like distros as well if you think Debian is too much like hard work for it. |
| 00:52.40 | abrotman | meny: go back to the old working driver .. still have the issue? |
| 00:53.08 | meny | ill try that im pretty sure it will work |
| 00:55.11 | meny | i guess after all that work this driver is sucks |
| 00:55.12 | belkin | stoned thanks man amarok really works |
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| 00:55.56 | Vesperto | Hello... |
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| 00:56.45 | Vesperto | Rethorics: is x.org 7.0 apt-get-able yet? Predictions? |
| 00:56.48 | stoned | amaroK: The Streets - The Hardest Way To Make an Easy Living - When You Wasn't Famous - genre:rating Hip-Hop:71/0 |
| 00:56.50 | stoned | yes it is |
| 00:56.50 | stoned | :) |
| 00:56.55 | roderyk | gnufan: thanks for your responses. Time to go see just how little I can set this up for : ) |
| 00:57.38 | minerale | How can I get something similar to ubuntu's mozilla-mplayer in debian? (something that will let me play quictime movies directly from firefox) |
| 00:57.47 | gnufan | Vesperto: predictions -- it'll hurt still |
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| 00:58.24 | Vesperto | gnufan: :-) oh well, i'll try building from the modular... |
| 00:58.54 | gnufan | Vesperto: nah -- try the packages someone has to debug it before I try again |
| 00:59.25 | gnufan | Vesperto: some ppl have working upgrades, so the upgrade glitches are down to specifics of the installation I suspect |
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| 01:00.01 | shao_lo | can anyone help me with a dchroot problem? |
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| 01:00.17 | Vesperto | gnufan: is x.org 7.0 on stable or testing only? My apt is updating but i tend to use only the stables. |
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| 01:00.47 | gnufan | Vesperto: Xorg 7 is in unstable, and is distinctly unstable -- as per the topic |
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| 01:01.40 | Vesperto | gnufan: recommendable? |
| 01:02.05 | gnufan | Vesperto: if you like helping debug Debian -- definitely -- otherwise run stable or testing and wait. |
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| 01:02.32 | abrotman | Vesperto: what is your video card? |
| 01:03.17 | Vesperto | gnufan: not that good at C yet, guess i'll stick with the oldies. An NVidia apparently, i hven't figured out which one to install (pieces scattered) |
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| 01:03.28 | StereoSkit | dudes, which procedures should i follow to mount a usb dvd writer? |
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| 01:03.40 | abrotman | yeah .. i wouldn't go to X7 with nvidia .. but hey .. people do dumb things every day :) |
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| 01:03.49 | abrotman | StereoSkit: i object to that! |
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| 01:03.59 | StereoSkit | abrotman: eh what why? |
| 01:04.03 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 01:04.15 | StereoSkit | omfg, you are not plz, dpkg is xD |
| 01:04.31 | abrotman | StereoSkit: i don't know, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:04.37 | StereoSkit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.40 | beardy_ | abrotman: plz |
| 01:04.44 | Vesperto | It's a regular video card, nothing fancy; i do have an S3Virg laying around. |
| 01:04.48 | StereoSkit | dpkg: usb dvd |
| 01:04.53 | dvs | %tell StereoSkit about bot |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | StereoSkit: it's a usb storage device |
| 01:05.13 | StereoSkit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.13 | abrotman | we have a %bot too? |
| 01:05.15 | abrotman | %bot |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | or not |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | StereoSkit: STOP |
| 01:05.30 | StereoSkit | k |
| 01:05.36 | skiphoppy | I've got a Debian sarge install CD that, for some reason, can't mount itself after it boots. That's okay, because I want to tell it to do a network install instead, but how do I do that? That was much easier under the woody installer, IIRC. |
| 01:05.37 | abrotman | StereoSkit: load sd_mod .. see if it sees it in dmesg |
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| 01:05.44 | gnufan | I always thought abrotman was a bot, but now he is admitting it. |
| 01:05.46 | Speeder | why my debian that I just installed do a beep and shut down the screen? |
| 01:05.54 | abrotman | gnufan: bugger all, dunno |
| 01:05.55 | beardy_ | !d-i skiphoppy |
| 01:05.55 | dpkg | skiphoppy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:06.21 | skiphoppy | Thanks dpkg (bot?), but I've done quit a bit of poking through those docs. |
| 01:06.21 | dpkg | skiphoppy: bitte |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | Speeder: your battery died? |
| 01:06.31 | skiphoppy | If you'll give me a specific place to look, that'd be great. |
| 01:06.37 | Speeder | it is a desktop machine |
| 01:06.42 | Speeder | I just intalled debian |
| 01:06.54 | beardy_ | skiphoppy: Choose the netinstall image. |
| 01:06.56 | Vesperto | Oh, USB... how the hell do i mount my Sony Cybershot? It detects it if i plug it in, but i can't get to it. |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | Speeder: wait .. is the system still running? |
| 01:07.08 | Speeder | He load everything, and instead of showing me somethign to allow me to log in, he do a beep and shut down only the screen |
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| 01:07.23 | skiphoppy | Tried that, beardy, but there seems to be some bug in it: I get an infinite loop that consists of (choose hostname, successful DHCP config, choose hostname, ...) |
| 01:07.24 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: don't touch me there! |
| 01:07.25 | StereoSkit | abrotman: nice! thanks |
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| 01:07.33 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You know you like it. |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | StereoSkit: got a start ? |
| 01:07.39 | beardy_ | skiphoppy: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 01:07.41 | dvs | doh |
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| 01:07.43 | Speeder | when I type CONTROL + ALT + BACKSPACE he turn on and turn off the screen again really fast |
| 01:07.51 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i have no interest in having your fleshy bits touch my bot bits! |
| 01:07.56 | StereoSkit | abrotman: usb-storage: device found at 3 |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | StereoSkit: good .. have fun |
| 01:08.09 | skiphoppy | bready_, thanks, but I already know about (and have) that image, and it doesn't work |
| 01:08.15 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Fine! Be that way! |
| 01:08.18 | abrotman | Speeder: you installed X and chose a bad config |
| 01:08.22 | beardy_ | Speeder: "He" restarts himself, "he" is your display manager. |
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| 01:08.25 | abrotman | oh crap .. i forgot .. gotta check for ticks |
| 01:08.25 | skiphoppy | i'll use any available method; is there a way to fix that screwed up part of the netinstall? |
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| 01:08.35 | AcuraX | How do i setup my webcam it's detected by lsusb |
| 01:08.35 | Speeder | I see... I imaginated that |
| 01:08.40 | Vesperto | StereoSkit: Yeah, it does that. I've tried -t usbfs and different /dev but all i get is the same folder: it has the 001 directory and two empty files. |
| 01:08.40 | Speeder | How I can shut down X? |
| 01:08.45 | StereoSkit | ill burn pr0n after this |
| 01:08.48 | StereoSkit | \o/ |
| 01:09.02 | beardy_ | skiphoppy: Please tell us exactly what is happening, or not, any error messages, or other symptoms? |
| 01:09.04 | skiphoppy | I've been fighting a sarge netinstall, sarge disk 1, and woody disk 1 all day long to make this work. I run into obstacles at every turn. |
| 01:09.11 | abrotman | Speeder: type ctrl-alt-f1 .. have a prompt ? |
| 01:09.13 | RazaMetaL | Speeder, ctrl + alt + backspace |
| 01:09.23 | beardy_ | !restartx |
| 01:09.24 | dpkg | Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 01:09.24 | abrotman | RazaMetaL: pay attention |
| 01:09.26 | Speeder | control + alt + backspace restat it |
| 01:09.36 | RazaMetaL | abrotman, ok |
| 01:09.39 | gnufan | skiphoppy: does the CD image chksum okay? |
| 01:09.43 | abrotman | Speeder: ctrl-alt-f1 .. do you get a login prompt ? |
| 01:09.43 | punsad | skiphoppy: why are you using woody? that is the old release |
| 01:09.53 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-bksp is not a restart .. it's a crash |
| 01:10.07 | Vesperto | But Woody says Yeeha if you pull the cord! |
| 01:10.10 | beardy_ | abrotman: Yes, and a restart. |
| 01:10.18 | Speeder | control + alt + F1 turn the screen on! |
| 01:10.23 | abrotman | beardy_: but it's not a clean shut down |
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| 01:10.27 | abrotman | Speeder: now .. login |
| 01:10.29 | abrotman | !drxx Speeder |
| 01:10.30 | Speeder | And the screen is only a bunch of red and pink lines and some mess! |
| 01:10.31 | dpkg | Speeder: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | pick one that owrks |
| 01:10.47 | Speeder | How I can shut down X? |
| 01:10.49 | beardy_ | abrotman: No, it's not. But is /etc/init.d/?dm restart/stop, if you are logged in? |
| 01:10.58 | silvioalmeida | anyone using speedtouch 330 with ibook g3 800 debian 2.6.16? |
| 01:11.02 | beardy_ | Speeder: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 01:11.10 | Speeder | I cannot type... |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | beardy_: it's a crash .. |
| 01:11.15 | Speeder | I am not logged in |
| 01:11.23 | Speeder | I am stuck in a X screen that I cannot see |
| 01:11.29 | Speeder | ( the login screen) |
| 01:11.35 | beardy_ | Speeder: Do as I say. Ctrl-Alt-F1, what happens? |
| 01:11.37 | dvs | Speeder: Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 01:11.45 | punsad | Speeder: do 'ps ax | grep X'... take note of the job id and do 'kill -9 jobID' |
| 01:11.48 | silvioalmeida | speedtouch anyone? |
| 01:11.59 | k-god | silvioalmeida: ?? |
| 01:12.00 | beardy_ | punsad: No, preferebly no. |
| 01:12.05 | silvioalmeida | yes |
| 01:12.06 | punsad | Speeder: |
| 01:12.07 | Speeder | just got it |
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| 01:12.18 | blazemonger | http://pastebin.com/689618 |
| 01:12.18 | Speeder | after typing alt + ctrl + f1 three times he shut down the X |
| 01:12.23 | silvioalmeida | k-god ? |
| 01:12.28 | RazaMetaL | Speeder, ctrl + alt + f1, login and make an update-rc.d xserver-xorg -f remove |
| 01:12.30 | punsad | beardy_: I know it's brute force but it seems to always work... what's a better way? |
| 01:12.35 | Speeder | is possible to download the nVIDIA drivers using apt-get? |
| 01:12.53 | blazemonger | i got this demo from freshmeat.net and it won't compile |
| 01:12.54 | k-god | abrotman: ssh in the backdor also helps. Note too that if X is crashed, console may not display though it _is_ logged in. |
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| 01:13.00 | beardy_ | punsad: /etc/init.d/daemon stop |
| 01:13.01 | k-god | silvioalmeida: Whats speedtouch? |
| 01:13.02 | okaratas | hi all |
| 01:13.18 | silvioalmeida | k-god alcatel modem usb.. |
| 01:13.18 | _pinky | I'm trying to update the kdeadmins package but apt wants to uninstall gnome and gnome-system-tools in order to do it. Is there any way to *not* uninstall GNOME and update this package? |
| 01:13.20 | silvioalmeida | :( |
| 01:13.29 | k-god | silvioalmeida: Ah. NFC, sorry. |
| 01:13.39 | silvioalmeida | a real annoyance... |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | sussudio: meep! |
| 01:14.08 | beardy_ | punsad: '/etc/init.d/xdm stop' in this case. Since the start/stop scripts do the things cleaner, removing pid-files and such things. |
| 01:14.09 | Vesperto | Anyone, i'd like some answers on minimal sarge net-installs, mounting USB devices (a Sony CyberShot), the recommended X server for a 32MB NVidia (or an S3Virge) and the answer to life, the universe and everything. |
| 01:14.21 | Vesperto | Volunteers? |
| 01:14.27 | k-god | Vesperto: Questions? |
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| 01:14.47 | Vesperto | k-god: can i do a net install almost on a per-package basis? |
| 01:14.48 | scarynetworkguy | Meep! |
| 01:14.49 | k-god | Vesperto: /msg dpkg nvidia. There's 'nvidia one liner' for general config, no experience. |
| 01:14.52 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: that's my spleen! |
| 01:15.02 | cshaman | How can I set PATH variables for all users on my system? |
| 01:15.09 | k-god | Vesperto: yes. Any debian install, really. Just bail on task-based package installation. |
| 01:15.10 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Oh sorry. My bad. :) |
| 01:15.15 | k-god | cshaman: /etc/environment IIRC. |
| 01:15.18 | punsad | <cshaman> How can I set PATH variables for all users on my system? |
| 01:15.24 | punsad | oops |
| 01:15.32 | dvs | punsad: don't mock him! ;-) |
| 01:15.50 | Vesperto | k-god no task-based... noted. How do i mount my digicam? It does get detected, but i can't seem to mount it properly. |
| 01:16.00 | cshaman | Hehe. |
| 01:16.01 | punsad | cshaman: /etc/profile....? |
| 01:16.03 | cshaman | Thanks |
| 01:16.42 | k-god | Vesperto: Worry abou tthe install first. Most USB devices show as disks, I prefer mounting them as same. There are a number of packages aimed at photo devices which intergrate w/ desktop. |
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| 01:17.29 | Vesperto | k-god: i'll use either windowmaker or icewm, i'm interested in mounting from the shell. |
| 01:17.37 | punsad | k-god: I remember mine showing up as sg* for some wierd reason... it worked fine, though |
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| 01:17.55 | k-god | Vesperto: OK. Not my area of expertise, but as I said: they should show up as USB devices, likely SCSI labeling. |
| 01:17.56 | Vesperto | k-god: plus i'm running debian now, i just wanna install it on another computer, fresh start and all that :) |
| 01:18.14 | k-god | Vesperto: VFAT filesystem, several directories with images and thumbs in 'em. |
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| 01:18.20 | k-god | Vesperto: OK. |
| 01:18.50 | k-god | Vesperto: Netinst is just a different way of bootstrapping the install. Bail on package selection, complete, boot into new system, install aptitude, and fire away. |
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| 01:19.08 | Vesperto | Yeah i've been told; the driver emulates scsi... i've tried mounting it both as usbfs and as vfat... hmm... i'll google around, thanks anyway. |
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| 01:19.37 | Vesperto | k-god: yeah, that would do, i guess. |
| 01:19.41 | kreg_work | what is the trick to keeping ifup and ifdown working? usuailly i get "device not configured" even tho it is |
| 01:19.47 | kreg_work | or NO SUCH DEVICE even tho i'm using it. |
| 01:20.02 | kreg_work | usualy i have to do a ifconfig eth0 down by hand just to get the handy ifup or ifdown script to "sync" up |
| 01:20.16 | Vesperto | k-god: is the tmpfs 15MB partition a by-product of the install? |
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| 01:21.06 | gnufan | kreg_work: whats the exact error -- as it may be routing stuff that gives an odd error message. |
| 01:21.13 | punsad | kreg_work: strange.... what does your /etc/network/interfaces have? |
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| 01:21.54 | Vesperto | tmpfs 15M 0 15M 0% /dev/shm |
| 01:21.59 | Vesperto | Neat. |
| 01:22.30 | kreg_work | gnufan, ifdown eth1 after a fresh reboot says "deice not configured" even tho it is via /etc/network/interfaces with auto eth1 and a config |
| 01:22.47 | kreg_work | punsad, i have two devices configured in /etc/network/interfaces. it's a router |
| 01:22.48 | blazemonger | http://pastebin.com/689618 |
| 01:23.02 | kreg_work | me? |
| 01:23.03 | blazemonger | im having trouble compiling something that i got off freshmeat.net |
| 01:23.47 | kreg_work | gnufan, regarding routing, i have sysctl for ip_forward switched to 1 |
| 01:23.58 | punsad | kreg_work: does show any clues? |
| 01:24.06 | punsad | kreg_work: does dmesg show any clues? |
| 01:24.15 | kreg_work | gnufan, and two networks configured in /etc/network/interfaces. eth0 only differs as it has a gatway config line and eth1 (internal) does nt. |
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| 01:25.07 | kreg_work | punsad, "dmesg | grep eth" displayes nothing |
| 01:25.12 | Vesperto | No one has give me the answer to life, the universe and everything yet. i'm disappointed. |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | !what is the meaning of life? |
| 01:25.22 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, abrotman |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | !what is the meaning to life? |
| 01:25.30 | dpkg | abrotman: I think you lost me on that one |
| 01:25.32 | kreg_work | punsad, could the module be being loaded after the config is in place? |
| 01:25.32 | dvs | uh oh |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | dpkg: idiot |
| 01:25.35 | dpkg | I know you are, but what am I?, or someone who tries to use a Ubuntu package on Debian and calls it a dpkg issue when dependencies dont resolve |
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| 01:26.18 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Do all my backups and upgrades for me and I'll stop probing you! PLSKTHX. |
| 01:26.43 | Vesperto | 42 of course :-) Meh... guess i'll go and dd that netinst diskette. See you around, thanks for the help and all the fish. |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you need to apply the LT method of backup |
| 01:26.49 | abrotman | !meaning of life |
| 01:26.50 | dpkg | THE ANSWER LIES IN THE PUDDING, abrotman, or 42 |
| 01:27.04 | dvs | I'll take the pudding |
| 01:27.13 | Vesperto | Good pick. |
| 01:27.16 | zbowling | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.17 | zbowling | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.23 | dvs | you again |
| 01:27.24 | zbowling | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.29 | zbowling | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.33 | zbowling | oops |
| 01:27.37 | abrotman | liar |
| 01:27.39 | k-god | zbowling: Don't do that. |
| 01:27.49 | zbowling | slept on my keyboard |
| 01:27.50 | beered | when is overriding idebus safe? Isn't 33MHz a bit too slow for a new system? |
| 01:27.55 | lamby | dvs: but you can force abrotman to make you more puddings :) |
| 01:27.58 | lamby | zbowling: wtf? |
| 01:28.07 | punsad | kreg_work: i don't really know... sorry.. do you suspect that the module is not being loaded correctly? or just not at the right time? |
| 01:28.20 | dvs | beered: 33mhz is perfect for a PCI buss |
| 01:28.22 | dvs | beered: 33mhz is perfect for a PCI bus |
| 01:28.22 | bbrazil | !idebus |
| 01:28.30 | zbowling | my pillow was touching my space button on my laptop today |
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| 01:29.08 | abrotman | zbowling: shtu down .. go to bed |
| 01:29.20 | beered | dvs: that realy doesn't answer my question. |
| 01:29.36 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Hehe. |
| 01:29.38 | dvs | beered: The PCI bus is suppose to run at 33MHz |
| 01:29.53 | dvs | beered: why run it out of spec? |
| 01:29.56 | cshaman | How could I configure my window manager so that different applications show up in different workspaces? |
| 01:30.01 | beered | dvs: even on a new computer? |
| 01:30.01 | minerale | Ok... I'm trying to do something as simple as openening up video from trailers.apple.com ... dauntingly difficult task.. anyone know how? |
| 01:30.06 | dvs | beered: yes |
| 01:30.13 | k-god | cshaman: Depends on the WM. |
| 01:30.27 | punsad | minerale: is it a .mov file? |
| 01:30.30 | k-god | minerale: Um. You need all the proprietary pluginythingies from Apple. |
| 01:30.36 | beered | dvs: how can I find the bus speed on my computer? |
| 01:30.42 | blazemonger | is it possible to run vmware on freebsd? |
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| 01:30.50 | dvs | beered: I don't know |
| 01:30.50 | minerale | punsad: yep, .mov files... I alredy have mplayer installed |
| 01:30.53 | abrotman | blazemonger: wrong channel |
| 01:31.53 | minerale | k-god: apple does not provide linux support for quicktime |
| 01:31.53 | diogo86 | hi! i have a web directory with some deb package files. how do i make it a apt source? |
| 01:31.53 | k-god | !tell minerale about marillat |
| 01:31.53 | beered | dvs: I think bus speed for my thinkpad is 400Mhz. |
| 01:31.53 | k-god | minerale: You can get quicktime support in xine/mplayer |
| 01:32.30 | blazemonger | what youmean wrong # |
| 01:32.41 | blazemonger | i meant is it possible to run vmware on debian |
| 01:32.43 | abrotman | blazemonger: what channel are you in? |
| 01:32.45 | blazemonger | (i'm half drunk |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | blazemonger: still wrong channel .. ask #vmware |
| 01:33.07 | punsad | beered: check out lshw |
| 01:33.10 | kreg_work | punsad, i suspect i'm not sure how to handle modules in 2.4 vs 2.6 in debian. i'm kinda lost what was intened from the change in kernel versions and user space debian configs. |
| 01:33.23 | minerale | k-god: ugh, I do already have mplayer installed, but trailers.apple.com is setup in such a way you can't manually download the files, you must watch them, they use a double tiered .mov (where one loads the other) |
| 01:33.24 | k-god | blazemonger: Yes, you can run VMWare on Debian. You'll need specific kernel modules, IIRC Ubuntu is a listed system, quite similar. |
| 01:33.26 | beered | punsad: lshs? |
| 01:33.37 | k-god | minerale: I know. How to get around that I'm not sure. |
| 01:33.49 | punsad | beered: lshw... it is a debian package |
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| 01:33.54 | k-god | minerale: Though you could bitch to webmaster@site FWIW. |
| 01:33.54 | kreg_work | after a fresh reboot, "ifdown eth1" reports "device not configued" but it IS |
| 01:33.57 | kreg_work | and working |
| 01:34.04 | punsad | beered: ooops... only for unstable |
| 01:34.04 | lamby | k-god: re. cshaman's question re. workspaces: how would you do that in gnome? |
| 01:34.07 | kreg_work | this is seriously interfering with my trouble shooting |
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| 01:34.11 | beered | punsad: what does it do? |
| 01:34.15 | minerale | k-god: well, ubuntu has this package called mplayer-mozilla that does the trick |
| 01:34.16 | k-god | kreg_work: ifupdown maintains state independently of the actual device confiuration state. |
| 01:34.19 | punsad | gotta go.... |
| 01:34.24 | k-god | lamby: NFC. I don't use GNOME. |
| 01:34.29 | kreg_work | k-god, it is exec'd at boot time |
| 01:34.35 | k-god | minerale: Might want to check what's in it. |
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| 01:34.51 | beered | punsad: lshw is in testing too... anyways, I know the bus speed of this laptop. It's 400Mhz fsb. |
| 01:34.55 | k-god | kreg_work: There are semaphore / status files stored somewhere. They're not getting properly cleared. |
| 01:34.56 | punsad | beered: looks like it does give CPU version and speed and bus speed...http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/lshw |
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| 01:35.17 | k-god | kreg_work: I find that: ifdown $INTERFACE; ifconfig $INTERFACE down; ifup $INTERFACE |
| 01:35.21 | punsad | beered: what info are you looking for? |
| 01:35.22 | k-god | kreg_work: ... usually gets things sorted. |
| 01:35.40 | kreg_work | k-god, but isn't this the job of the distrobution and not the user? |
| 01:35.58 | k-god | kreg_work: <shrug> It's the workaround that works. |
| 01:35.59 | beered | punsad: I'm trying to understand why idebus speed in dmesg is 'assumed 33Mhz' and how safe is to make idebus=66. |
| 01:36.05 | k-god | kreg_work: If you're not happy, file a bug. |
| 01:36.05 | simonrvn | 'distribution' |
| 01:36.10 | k-god | simonrvn: Point. |
| 01:36.41 | simonrvn | and it isn't even my primary language ;) |
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| 01:39.32 | beered | hwls: bus info clock 400Mhz, width: 32 bits, size 600Mhz, bus info cpu@0 |
| 01:40.13 | beered | would idebus=66 be safe with those specs? |
| 01:40.51 | DragonD | anyone know about xgl? |
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| 01:41.50 | trent | What is the name of the Xorg dev file |
| 01:41.53 | trent | ? |
| 01:41.54 | trent | oops |
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| 01:43.32 | htrp | where's the tmp dir located? |
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| 01:43.41 | abrotman | DragonD: xgl is not in debian |
| 01:43.46 | k-god | htrp: Nowhere for long ;-) |
| 01:43.49 | dvs | htrp: /tmp |
| 01:43.53 | k-god | htrp: However you might mean /tmp |
| 01:43.57 | dvs | k-god: ;-) |
| 01:44.19 | Speeder | how I stop a X server from the console? |
| 01:44.31 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 01:44.38 | k-god | Speeder: What abrotman said. |
| 01:44.51 | dvs | What the bot said |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | Squeee! |
| 01:45.28 | k-god | abrotman: How's it feel to be a bot? |
| 01:45.45 | abrotman | k-god: constipated |
| 01:46.01 | abrotman | people keep feeding me shit . no way to purge |
| 01:46.03 | dvs | Always stuffin' bits into ya eh? |
| 01:47.40 | abrotman | though .. i guess my data resides in mysql .. so i'll just forget everything sooner or later |
| 01:48.09 | dvs | a transaction? |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:48.47 | abrotman | k-god: eww .. mysql is not ACID compliant .. call the doctor .. |
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| 01:49.22 | k-god | abrotman: The doctor doesn't handle stored procedures. |
| 01:50.16 | k-god | zero rows returned. |
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| 01:54.57 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:54.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:55.30 | bucky | !meow |
| 01:55.52 | firethunder | how do I change thunderbird to start up firefox instead of mozilla? |
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| 01:56.02 | abrotman | in what? |
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| 01:56.25 | romulo | hi, since fsck touched my disk im being asked to enter initlevel on boot time, cause it says theres not inittab, how i solve htat? |
| 01:56.26 | firethunder | in thunderbird mail reader |
| 01:56.29 | k-god | firethunder: What's your system preferred browser setting? |
| 01:56.43 | firethunder | how do I determine "system preferred browser setting" |
| 01:56.48 | k-god | firethunder: Under /etc/alternatives |
| 01:56.55 | abrotman | Firestarter: gnome? kde? |
| 01:57.03 | k-god | firethunder: "sensible-web-broweser" or something like that. |
| 01:57.12 | firethunder | x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/mozilla ??? |
| 01:57.23 | abrotman | in gnome .. change the "Preferred Application" .. i think |
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| 01:57.34 | k-god | romulo: Um. What filesystem? Is there anything under lost+found for that partition? |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | iirc .. alternatives doesn't do jack for thunderbird |
| 01:57.43 | k-god | firethunder: update-alternatives may also help. |
| 01:58.01 | firethunder | ah, there is also /etc/alternatives/www-browser |
| 01:58.13 | abrotman | that's not for X |
| 01:58.17 | firethunder | ok, thanks, I'll try update-alternatives |
| 01:58.18 | k-god | romulo: Could be a bad drive. If you start losing files, it's generally time to back up and replace the drive. |
| 01:58.29 | k-god | firethunder: What abrotman said as well. Not sure which will take. |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | i think in Gnome you use the Preferred Applicatoins |
| 01:59.07 | abrotman | anyways .. if you google "Change Thunderbird browser" .. you should get about 10,000 hits |
| 01:59.07 | firethunder | ah, I'm KDE -- so maybe I should check out KDE Control Center |
| 01:59.17 | k-god | abrotman: Well, GNOME isn't my preferred application ;-) |
| 01:59.25 | abrotman | k-god: don't ask |
| 01:59.37 | k-god | abrotman: don't ask what? |
| 01:59.45 | firethunder | abrotman: ah, I was googling thunderbird with browser but none of the hits were good |
| 01:59.55 | abrotman | k-god: damn you ... why do you always ask?! |
| 02:00.05 | abrotman | !google thunderbird change browser |
| 02:00.05 | k-god | abrotman: It's in my inquisitive nature? |
| 02:00.13 | abrotman | !karstensmite k-god |
| 02:00.15 | dpkg | Google says thunderbird change browser is at http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ or http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ or http://www.lifehacker.com/ or http://kb.mozillazine.org/Changing_the_web_browser_invoked_by_Thunderbird or http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/tips |
| 02:00.19 | k-god | Heh. |
| 02:00.48 | abrotman | bah .. stupid google! |
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| 02:05.57 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:05.57 | dpkg | <orangey_> has *nobody* here tried to dock a KDE icon into gnome? <orangey_> man. This is totally a karma thing. I didn't help somebody the other day when I knew the answer just because I wanted to watch a simpsons episode instead. <orangey_> I thought buddha would understand. |
| 02:06.04 | gozz | does fglrx work in 2.6.8-3-686? |
| 02:06.35 | abrotman | probably? |
| 02:07.14 | gozz | i had it working great in 2.4 but it dosent want to work on this for some reason |
| 02:07.15 | scarynetworkguy | !qotd16 |
| 02:07.15 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whisky are different like knoppix and debian. |
| 02:07.17 | ___chou-c | any idea on this. I just installed a new netinstall of debian, that kernel boots up fine and dandy, i compile a new kernel and when booting it just hangs after hda: host protected area => 1. Any idea what kernel param might be causing that? |
| 02:07.22 | scarynetworkguy | !qotd11 |
| 02:07.22 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 02:07.26 | scarynetworkguy | Yay! |
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| 02:07.59 | gozz | seems like when its installed the gl is slower |
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| 02:08.39 | gozz | junk a$$ ati |
| 02:09.29 | abrotman | gozz: it should work .. |
| 02:09.35 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 02:09.35 | dpkg | hmm... fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 02:09.39 | abrotman | !ai |
| 02:09.39 | dpkg | hmm... ai is stupid |
| 02:09.42 | abrotman | !ati |
| 02:09.42 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
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| 02:12.09 | ___chou-c | hmm odd, if i go into bios and switch the ide to legacy mode instead of enhanced mode then itll boot with new kernel. |
| 02:12.17 | gozz | they should change that to Dont! UseAti :) |
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| 02:13.42 | gozz | thanks |
| 02:13.49 | abrotman | ati really isn't any worse than any other binary-only driver |
| 02:14.21 | eps | yes they are; ethically no, but practical use yes |
| 02:14.29 | blazemonger | i'mh aving trouble compiling some demos |
| 02:14.53 | blazemonger | i'd thing that most everyting would compile in debian ifi t has the proper libraries |
| 02:15.02 | ggeller | I haven't been able to get the ati driver working with my amd64. |
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| 02:15.29 | eps | I'm interested as to who is maintaining xcompmgr/transset (experimental) in general if any one knows as google shows a splay of people working on xgl and I can't work out which one is which |
| 02:15.31 | abrotman | eps: i mean ethically .. i could care less if you buy hardware tthat is only given binary only drivers and you get crappy performance |
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| 02:15.46 | abrotman | eps: apt-cache show <pkg> | grep Maint |
| 02:15.50 | eps | then I agree |
| 02:15.52 | eps | thanks :) |
| 02:16.54 | Speeder | when I install the kernel source, where he is installed? |
| 02:16.57 | eps | realistically nvidia should at least release older drivers (pre 7676) so that the nv project can have some thing more workable in the 3d department for fresh setups...the whole hoarding drivers is just stupid and should die along with windows |
| 02:17.07 | eps | /usr/src/linux |
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| 02:17.24 | eps | wait up... |
| 02:17.29 | abrotman | eps: still has too many googies that ati might steal for thier incompatible hardware! |
| 02:17.41 | abrotman | Speeder: probably /usr/src/ |
| 02:17.59 | eps | ah no that was the right place...damn it, far to many ssh windows to to many different computers :| *sits confused* |
| 02:18.39 | eps | abrotman oh noes! the world would be over! ati copying nvidia and nvidia copying ati! ... |
| 02:18.44 | LunarC | what does an error message like "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x080fc1f0 ***" mean? |
| 02:18.54 | LunarC | xchat sometimes gives me that when I try to pick fonts |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | eps: you're whinig to the wrong person .. they should both have open drivers |
| 02:19.06 | LunarC | is it glibc giving that error? |
| 02:19.21 | eps | abrotman I thought that was witty sarcasm at how pathetic they both are... |
| 02:19.59 | abrotman | eps: your wit failed |
| 02:20.07 | eps | abrotman I can see from the point of view that they don't want thousands of driver sets popping up all over the place but that is their _only_ leg to stand on |
| 02:20.08 | eps | :( |
| 02:21.55 | eps | I've been showing off xcompmgr to windows friends the last few days...it's great fun: "linux has it, mac has it...oh that's right, your os doesn't and when it gets it it will be badly implimented (if the vista boxes we are testing at work are anything to go off)" |
| 02:22.05 | eps | except it keeps crashing :| |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | probably your binary only drivers ... |
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| 02:23.07 | TeamCanada|Silen | cmd for file size? |
| 02:23.14 | eps | ls -la |
| 02:23.18 | abrotman | man ls |
| 02:23.21 | TeamCanada|Silen | ty |
| 02:23.24 | abrotman | !tell TeamCanada|Silen about grounding |
| 02:23.36 | eps | I wandered in this morning and alt tabbed and my cpu shot up to 100% and didn't come down :P |
| 02:23.41 | zebalin4 | beep |
| 02:23.44 | Speeder | how I decompress a .bz2 file? |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | BEEEEEEEEEP |
| 02:23.54 | eps | man tar |
| 02:24.01 | zebalin4 | how you doin'? |
| 02:24.02 | eps | tar -xvf file iirc though |
| 02:24.03 | abrotman | Speeder: bunzip2 |
| 02:24.04 | bbrazil | Speeder: bunzip2 |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | eps: wrong |
| 02:24.17 | bbrazil | eps: j for tar |
| 02:24.18 | eps | eh? |
| 02:24.18 | abrotman | not even close actually |
| 02:24.26 | eps | ah! I always forget the j |
| 02:24.31 | eps | yeah and you can't have v |
| 02:24.39 | bbrazil | eps: no, v is fine |
| 02:24.45 | abrotman | v is for verbose |
| 02:24.48 | eps | v never works for me |
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| 02:24.57 | abrotman | i'm shocked |
| 02:24.59 | eps | so I usually remove it |
| 02:25.07 | Siegfried | hi |
| 02:25.09 | eps | so was I..and the local linux guru |
| 02:25.28 | bbrazil | eps: bz2 is fine, although its blocking makes it slower than gzip |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | use 7z! |
| 02:25.53 | zebalin4 | Any php coders here? What do you like: eclipse, zend, or netbeans as an IDE (if you use one)? |
| 02:25.54 | eps | 7z is nice, and straight .tar |
| 02:25.56 | Siegfried | anyone has news about the support of mod_security? |
| 02:26.07 | Siegfried | they erased all the bug reports :[ |
| 02:26.08 | eps | eclipse but thats only a personal choice |
| 02:26.21 | abrotman | zebalin4: i don't think zend is free .. don't forget bluefishand anjuta |
| 02:26.28 | zebalin4 | eps: does eclipse need the full java sdk 1.5 or just a jre? |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | zebalin4: or vi |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | needs a jre |
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| 02:26.49 | eps | jre iirc...I only use it under mac |
| 02:26.53 | zebalin4 | vi, yeah right!!! :-) Lets start a vi vs. emacs war!!! |
| 02:27.01 | eps | under lin I use jedit |
| 02:27.15 | eps | there is no point arguing over vi vs emacs... vi won :) |
| 02:27.22 | abrotman | zebalin4: last i checked .. there were two plugins for php for eclipse .. i don't think zend is free .. dunno about netbeans |
| 02:27.35 | zebalin4 | I worte 200,000 lines of http://www.jay123.com with nedit... but next time I want something a bit more 'robust' if possible. |
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| 02:27.49 | zebalin4 | opps http://www.jaya123.com |
| 02:27.52 | eps | zebalin4 really you have to check the others out to find the one that feels nice |
| 02:28.13 | zebalin4 | eps: yeah, I know. Was just wondering what others used. |
| 02:28.26 | eps | ah okay |
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| 02:28.38 | abrotman | zebalin4: might be better to ask #php |
| 02:28.43 | zebalin4 | I could not find a php package for eclipse on sid. |
| 02:28.59 | pilgrim | zebalin4, you can download it . |
| 02:29.00 | zebalin4 | abrotman: I was afraid I'd start a war there! |
| 02:29.07 | pilgrim | zebalin4, it's easiers |
| 02:29.08 | eps | grr the debian 2.14 maintainer doesn't mention why he's still using nautilus 2.12 with gnome which is now almost all 2.14...it's causing my system to be uber unstable (yes yes...I should expect that using sid but still) |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | zebalin4: there won't be a package .. you'll have to install it |
| 02:29.16 | pilgrim | easiest* |
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| 02:29.39 | abrotman | eps: file a bug .. quit whining |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | nowi know why you get kicked all the time |
| 02:29.54 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: thanks. I tried this new thing called 'easyeclipse" http://www.easyeclipse.org/site/home/ but it is buggy as hell. |
| 02:29.57 | pilgrim | zebalin4, listen to aborman or else he'll just go "your aborted" (much like trump) |
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| 02:30.16 | eps | abrotman heh |
| 02:30.26 | eps | me kicked? I've never been kicked |
| 02:30.36 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 02:30.38 | zebalin4 | abrotman: oh, ok. I see there is an 'eclipse' package in the sid repos. I just didn't see any plugs for it. |
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| 02:30.52 | abrotman | zebalin4: the plugins easily install |
| 02:30.56 | eps | zebalin4 there is an inbuild plugin manager |
| 02:31.26 | Speeder | someone here |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:31.38 | Speeder | know how I can install the DAMN nvidia driver on linux? |
| 02:31.48 | abrotman | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 02:31.51 | abrotman | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 02:31.53 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:31.54 | eps | it isn't hard |
| 02:31.57 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:31.57 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:32.00 | pilgrim | zebalin4, download phpeclipse from here http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=57621&package_id=70009 |
| 02:32.01 | zebalin4 | eps: thanks for the info. I'll install the debian package. the Easy Eclipse does not seem to work too well. |
| 02:32.09 | pilgrim | zebalin4, and then unpack it. |
| 02:32.31 | eps | Speeder though if you are using xorg7 you will need to add an extra command when you are installing the latest nvidia drivers as the xorg location changed |
| 02:32.43 | pilgrim | zebalin4, (in order to install phpeclipse in you need eclipse first) , you that right? |
| 02:32.55 | pilgrim | you got* |
| 02:32.58 | Speeder | eps well... he want the kernel source |
| 02:33.04 | Speeder | I downloaded the kernel source |
| 02:33.07 | Speeder | I unpacked it |
| 02:33.14 | eps | Speeder why do you use he in place of it all the time? |
| 02:33.18 | Speeder | and hoe he ask for a file that does not exist in the kernel source... |
| 02:33.19 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: ok. So I install the debian eclipse package and then the phpeclipse from the link above. |
| 02:33.28 | eps | Speeder it doesn't want the source, it wants the headers |
| 02:33.29 | pilgrim | zebalin4, yeah. |
| 02:33.32 | eps | aptitude install kernel-headers |
| 02:33.40 | eps | and get the ones for your kernel |
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| 02:33.58 | pilgrim | zebalin4, except you have to unzip phpeclipse and then take the content of those folders and place them in (let me find out)... |
| 02:34.31 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: i understand. That's how you install a lot of java stuff. unzip and copy. |
| 02:34.48 | pilgrim | zebalin4, oh , ok! JAVA freak! |
| 02:34.52 | darrh00 | pilgrim:is there any eclipse package in java? |
| 02:35.01 | darrh00 | what does freak mean? |
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| 02:35.15 | darrh00 | pilgrim:is there any eclipse package in debian? |
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| 02:35.23 | pilgrim | darrh00, should be. |
| 02:35.34 | Speeder | how I know what kernel I am using? |
| 02:35.46 | darrh00 | Speeder:uname -a |
| 02:35.47 | zebalin4 | Speeder: uptime -a |
| 02:35.53 | eps | some one should really note in dpkg for those moving over to xorg7 that they need to add --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/ to the sh nvidia-binary-version line else it will all stuff up when they recompile/install the drivers |
| 02:35.54 | zebalin4 | opps I mean uname |
| 02:36.08 | abrotman | eps: use the wiki from /topic |
| 02:36.33 | eps | abrotman thanks |
| 02:36.43 | pilgrim | zebalin4, is there an eclipse package in debian? (I'm using ubuntu and there is) |
| 02:36.59 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: last time I looked in sid there was one. |
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| 02:37.07 | pilgrim | zebalin4, oh, sid! |
| 02:37.15 | pilgrim | zebalin4, thanks. |
| 02:37.15 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: (a whole bunch of them, but I think all you need is the meta package. |
| 02:37.28 | pilgrim | zebalin4, oh, ok. |
| 02:37.33 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: yes. I run both sid and etch..... mostly sid. |
| 02:37.54 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: but don't listen to me. I've not installed it yet! |
| 02:37.57 | pilgrim | zebalin4, I'm only doing sarge for a server. my desktop is ubuntu |
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| 02:38.01 | darrh00 | pilgrim: is eclipse in ubuntu natively compiled like what fc does? |
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| 02:38.23 | pilgrim | darrh00, natively...don't know what you mean. |
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| 02:39.00 | zebalin4 | darrh00: it's java. It would be compiled to p-code or whatever java is. |
| 02:39.43 | pilgrim | zebalin4, one HUGE downside to eclipse is that it's so slow. |
| 02:40.02 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: I have a pretty fast machine with 1 gb of ram. |
| 02:40.15 | pilgrim | zebalin4, so do I. I've got 3.4ghz |
| 02:40.27 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: wow.... and it's still slow? |
| 02:40.28 | pilgrim | and 1 gb ram |
| 02:40.31 | pilgrim | yeah. |
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| 02:40.51 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: well Java as always been a slow moving beast. |
| 02:41.09 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: I've heard good things about sun's free Netbeans IDE. |
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| 02:41.24 | pilgrim | zebalin4, yeah, that's why I kind of hate it and don't really want to develop in it (java). |
| 02:41.25 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: but I don't seem to be able to find a debian pkg. |
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| 02:42.00 | trent | I am installing xorg on an IBM laptop with a touchpoint mouse. Xorg seems to be installed but on boot of X, there is failure with a log error message about the synaptic mouse not finding nodes. Is there an issue with xorg and ibm thinkpads? |
| 02:42.00 | pilgrim | zebalin4, been doing java for a long time? |
| 02:42.06 | zebalin4 | pilgrim: I've never written much java. For desktop use I like python with qt. |
| 02:42.15 | pilgrim | zebalin4, nice. |
| 02:42.39 | zebalin4 | I'll probably get flamed for this but as a software developer I think Java's boat has sailed. |
| 02:42.44 | evilgeek | i was under the impression that, as the JVM compiled more stuff to native code, eclipse got faster. |
| 02:43.01 | pilgrim | zebalin4, no you won't. |
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| 02:43.20 | abrotman | trent: mine works fine .. use /dev/input/mice .. and make sure mousedev module is loaded |
| 02:43.30 | zebalin4 | I'm starting to think that ruby (which I don't have much experience with) is what java should have morphed into. |
| 02:43.48 | evilgeek | ruby is pure-OO, like smalltalk, right? |
| 02:43.53 | Rounin | Hi... I was wondering, apt-get is now refusing to resolve dependencies after I installed Opera, because it thinks a dependency is unresolved. Is it possible to fool it into thinking the package it wants is installed or just ignore it? |
| 02:43.58 | darrh00 | trent:I am using debian etch , and I am using Thinkpad T23 ,no problem. |
| 02:44.03 | zebalin4 | evilgeek: pretty much. |
| 02:44.29 | quitte_ | trent: i'm just using PS/2 mouse for it here and never had problems |
| 02:44.37 | zebalin4 | Problem for me with java is that the object hiarchy has just grown too unwieldy. There must be some 10,000 objects now. |
| 02:44.47 | evilgeek | Rounin: yes. you'll hate me for saying this, but apt-get install equivs. |
| 02:45.07 | pilgrim | Anyone know how I would generate a certificate for courier-imap-ssl? |
| 02:45.08 | zebalin4 | darrh00: I'm trying to find a good T23. Is it fast enough with KDE? |
| 02:45.08 | trent | I will try another reconfigure and see if I can set to /dev/input/mice |
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| 02:45.22 | evilgeek | (ie/ download it then dpkg --force -i equivs*.deb or whatever.) |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | Rounin: what dependency? |
| 02:45.32 | Rounin | xlibs |
| 02:45.38 | Rounin | The dependency is met by a couple of other libs |
| 02:45.45 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
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| 02:45.56 | Rounin | Thanks, evilgeek... The irony of it all is it won't install it, because it won't resolve dependencies :) |
| 02:46.03 | Rounin | abrotman: That removes Opera... I want it to work :P |
| 02:46.07 | quitte_ | zebalin4: i wasn'T complaining about kde speed even on this 600X when i used it. T23 should be absolutely fine |
| 02:46.23 | evilgeek | Rounin: this is why you download it then install it "manually". |
| 02:46.29 | abrotman | Rounin: why? .. i use the static package .. works fine |
| 02:46.45 | nima | is there any way to use differant certs for differant domains, without having a seperate virtualhost? |
| 02:46.48 | darrh00 | zebalin4:I think no problem using kde if you don'se sluggy java.I use gnome and it is not slow.I think kde is faster than gnome :) |
| 02:46.53 | nima | using apache2 |
| 02:46.53 | trent | abrotman: mousedev module is in the xorg.conf file? It is not appearing in reconfigure of xserver. How/where do I specify /dev/input/mice? |
| 02:46.54 | zebalin4 | quitte_: I have a 600E and it's pretty darn slow. Adaquate, but still slow. I thought I could find a good T23 as a ton of those beasts are starting to show up coming off of corp lease. |
| 02:47.00 | Rounin | abrotman: Static package? |
| 02:47.06 | abrotman | Rounin: the static one works pretty darn well .. it just needs lesstif |
| 02:47.10 | Rounin | I just use the package from Opera's site... |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | Rounin: from opera.com ? |
| 02:47.39 | zebalin4 | quitte_: the 600e is much better with a small footprint wm like Ice or openbook (something like that). |
| 02:47.46 | evilgeek | Rounin: the package opera-static. |
| 02:47.46 | abrotman | trent: mousedev is a kernel module .. put it in /etc/modules .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to specify mouse device |
| 02:48.05 | Rounin | Well, thanks, both of you |
| 02:48.10 | zebalin4 | quitte_: Damn Small runs well on it too but DSL is limited in its package selection. |
| 02:48.12 | Rounin | If more Linux programs were static, we'd all have happier lives |
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| 02:48.52 | quitte_ | zebalin4: how much ram have you in it? |
| 02:48.57 | zebalin4 | Rounin: how are you defining 'static'? |
| 02:49.05 | zebalin4 | quitte_: 256 |
| 02:49.06 | Rounin | Can't use "Happy tree widget": Missing spelunk-xrgfs-1987.3.0.2.1210923.xandros.boeff.so.1 - needed by xaffgrenf.so.tal |
| 02:49.17 | Rounin | How do you define it, zebalin4? :) |
| 02:49.30 | abrotman | fuzzy noise! |
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| 02:49.37 | zebalin4 | quitte_: I think it maxs out at that by design. |
| 02:49.57 | fando | how do I change firefox 1.5.0's browser identity to Mozilla 1.7.5? I can't access my wells fargo online backing after upgrading from FF 1.0 |
| 02:50.15 | quitte_ | zebalin4: no. it can take two 256M modules and even has a few MB onboard |
| 02:50.23 | zebalin4 | Rounin: well, I thought you might mean something like how pc-bsd installs.... where each application goes into it's own dir with ALL of it's libs. No dependencies. |
| 02:50.32 | zinx | fando: the user-agent switcher extension |
| 02:50.36 | zebalin4 | quitte_: the 600? |
| 02:51.01 | quitte_ | zebalin4: yes. bx board with two sockets. with bx each socket can have 256 max |
| 02:51.03 | trent | abrotman: module is loaded as we speak... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did not present me with the option to change mouse (only from ImPS/2 or ExplorerPS/2). |
| 02:51.15 | Rounin | Well, you've got to hand it to them for being clean, zebalin4... Doesn't GoboLinux do that as well |
| 02:51.26 | fando | ok thanks |
| 02:51.30 | abrotman | trent: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 02:52.19 | zebalin4 | quitte_: I read the specs on the IBM docs and I thought it maxed at 256 or 326 ? |
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| 02:52.35 | quitte_ | zebalin4: sure the 256 wasn'T per module? |
| 02:53.10 | StereoSkit | dudes, which module shoukd i add for my old laptop to recognize my pcmcia ethernet card? |
| 02:53.14 | zebalin4 | Rounin: not sure about gobo. Problem with self-contained packages is that they waste a ton of space and if there is a security hole in one lib it's a mess to replace all your pkgs that use it! |
| 02:53.53 | trent | abrotman: tried but no luck - I can always edit the xorg.conf file... I guess |
| 02:53.58 | zebalin4 | quitte_: you could be right. I don't remember. I'm going to sell the 600e anyway and get something faster.... perhaps at T23. I just need it for travel. |
| 02:54.01 | Rounin | Sure... I'm more worried about Linux's package systems and the widespread use of libraries if anything |
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| 02:54.12 | StereoSkit | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.13 | abrotman | trent: you can |
| 02:54.14 | StereoSkit | xD |
| 02:54.16 | Rabobie | hi all |
| 02:54.22 | abrotman | StereoSkit: wtf |
| 02:54.32 | quitte_ | zebalin4: the battery life is my main reason why i want to have a different laptop. im happy with the speed |
| 02:54.36 | StereoSkit | heh just kidding |
| 02:54.58 | zebalin4 | quitte_: problem with all the laps is that the internal modems never work. I don't need a modem too often since most places have broadband... but on occasion I need one. |
| 02:55.05 | Rabobie | how do i find the files in a package? (like "rpm -qa | grep <something>") |
| 02:55.21 | zebalin4 | quitte_: my 600e doesn't even have a battery. They cost about $80 if you can beleive that. |
| 02:55.37 | quitte_ | zebalin4: 600, 600E and 600X modems can be made working. for 600 and 600E it's the mwave package |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | zebalin4: sounds cheap to me |
| 02:56.01 | zebalin4 | quitte_: I got mwave to work with mepis. it was a major PITA. |
| 02:56.01 | quitte_ | zebalin4: yes i can. i paid less for my 600X ;) |
| 02:56.40 | quitte_ | zebalin4: i guess the problem was ibm bios configuration? i always keep a win98 partition just for that - and hibernation. |
| 02:57.01 | zebalin4 | abrotman: I don't even know if the 600e is worth $80 :-) (actually they go for about $250 on ebay... overpriced if you ask me.) |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | zebalin4: a battery is a battery |
| 02:57.38 | quitte_ | abrotman: not in case of the 600 series. they are known to kill batteries in no time |
| 02:57.44 | zebalin4 | quitte_: I just pack up a small old usr robotics and haul it with me in the car. |
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| 02:58.05 | abrotman | quitte_: tha'ts not the point |
| 02:58.42 | quitte_ | abrotman: what is it then? |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | it's a new battery |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | it still costs money to make |
| 02:59.01 | zebalin4 | quitte_: do you know if the modem in the T23 is supported by modern kernels? Linux-mobil site says it is but I never believe what I see there. |
| 02:59.08 | abrotman | don't like it .. don't buy laptops |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | (though i kind of wish they sold blanks for battery bays) |
| 02:59.23 | quitte_ | abrotman: oh he said $80 for the battery :D i paid less for the laptop. |
| 02:59.35 | abrotman | quitte_: but you're canadian |
| 02:59.52 | quitte_ | abrotman: nah. german. what makes you think im canadian? |
| 03:00.13 | abrotman | you act canuck-ish :) |
| 03:00.56 | quitte_ | i don't know what that is supposed to mean. i guess some friendly insult. |
| 03:01.51 | zebalin4 | quitte_: are you aware of the ps.exe program that will set IRQs and other hardware on the 600e/x? |
| 03:02.01 | stoned | quitte_, blame canada |
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| 03:02.23 | quitte_ | zebalin4: i am. it doesn't work in a lot of cases |
| 03:02.35 | quitte_ | zebalin4: oh the dos thing. right. |
| 03:02.57 | quitte_ | zebalin4: there's also the linux thing that attempts to do that. that doesn'T work |
| 03:03.02 | zebalin4 | quitte_: worked good for me. Seems that the damn serial port was disabled and you can fix it with the bios. You have to have this ps.exe CD. |
| 03:03.22 | zebalin4 | quitte_: yes, it runs under dos. |
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| 03:03.55 | quitte_ | zebalin4: unfortunately it cannot be installed in freedos. thats the other reason i have win98 on it now |
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| 03:05.16 | zebalin4 | quitte_: install? No, you burn a bootable CD with the ps.exe program on it. I downloaded the iso from somehwere. I forget. |
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| 03:05.28 | trent_ | abrotman: no luck... at a loss here - thanks for the suggestions. |
| 03:05.29 | zebalin4 | quitte_: must be on google. I'll look. |
| 03:06.02 | quitte_ | zebalin4: no need to. im happy with it the way it is. |
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| 03:06.19 | abrotman | !laptops |
| 03:06.19 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 03:08.30 | cornernote_ | hello |
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| 03:09.04 | cornernote_ | i am trying to get dual monitors working on ubuntu... it works at the moment 99% of the way i want it |
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| 03:09.23 | bbrazil | cornernote_: #ubuntu |
| 03:09.35 | cornernote_ | ok... :) thanks |
| 03:09.54 | cornernote_ | but its all pretty much debian... its just a minor xorg.conf issue at the moment |
| 03:10.13 | cornernote_ | my problem now is that i want to have Firefox go to fullscreen across both screens |
| 03:10.23 | abrotman | #ubuntu |
| 03:10.30 | eibwen | I've been doing some reading on whether to run an SMP kernel on a box with a SINGLE ht cpu. Any advice? |
| 03:10.38 | deadcat | kidding me!!!. just as i am about to upgrade xorg to 7.0 the debian mirror is not responding... |
| 03:10.43 | abrotman | !ht |
| 03:10.43 | dpkg | i heard ht is Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
| 03:10.51 | bbrazil | eibwen: if you want ht, then yes |
| 03:10.53 | minerale | after mounting certain volumes they appear on the desktop, but how can I change their name? |
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| 03:10.58 | zebalin4 | quitte_: http://www.enderak.com/linux/thinkpad600/progs/ps2.exe.iso |
| 03:11.12 | thingfish | sending someone to #ubuntu is like consigning the damned to hell. |
| 03:11.25 | thingfish | not undeserved, entirely. |
| 03:11.32 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 03:12.18 | thingfish | ooh equus |
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| 03:12.36 | thingfish | richard burton was good in that. |
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| 03:12.42 | quitte_ | zebalin4: thanks |
| 03:12.51 | {G}E{L} | I am trying to install linux for the first time. In my POST 2 IDE HDD's are detected, however when i am in the Debian setup i am unable to detect any HDD's? what am i missing? |
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| 03:13.39 | bbrazil | {G}E{L}: are the HDDs on a raid card of some form? |
| 03:13.43 | {G}E{L} | no |
| 03:13.50 | bbrazil | even an onboard raid? |
| 03:13.54 | deadcat | asdf |
| 03:13.58 | tc_ | hi, some body would tell me why i can not see any other comput at LAN from network/nautilus? |
| 03:13.58 | {G}E{L} | onboard raid is disabled |
| 03:13.59 | deadcat | fsa' |
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| 03:14.13 | k-god | deadcat: Welcome to your keyboard. |
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| 03:14.22 | bbrazil | {G}E{L}: it could be that whatever chipset it uses isn't supported |
| 03:14.53 | {G}E{L} | so that means i cant use Linux on my ssytem? |
| 03:15.07 | bbrazil | maybe, you could try a newer installer |
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| 03:15.37 | {G}E{L} | i am using Debian 3.1 r0a |
| 03:15.56 | {G}E{L} | what other installer would you reccommend? |
| 03:15.57 | bbrazil | !sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 03:16.10 | thingfish | sarge 2.6.16 hah |
| 03:16.21 | thingfish | you wish |
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| 03:16.42 | {G}E{L} | thanx... also how do i enable SATA support? |
| 03:16.55 | {G}E{L} | is there a way without messign around with the kernel? |
| 03:17.03 | bbrazil | thingfish: there's a factoid for sarge 2.6.14, tought I may as well go for the latest |
| 03:17.05 | {G}E{L} | and forming PATA? |
| 03:17.08 | thingfish | you know but I don't care about new versions all that much because email is still email, streaming music is still streaming music, surfing the web is still surfing the web... |
| 03:17.39 | bbrazil | hardware support sometimes requires it though |
| 03:17.44 | thingfish | oh for sure |
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| 03:18.03 | thingfish | that's totally understandable, in those circumstances |
| 03:18.16 | thingfish | but since my hardware is a year old... |
| 03:18.53 | bbrazil | {G}E{L}: there are sarge installers with newer kernels, but I don't know any of the links |
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| 03:19.44 | {G}E{L} | hmm k |
| 03:20.02 | {G}E{L} | do u have a link to a mirror hosting a slightly older version of sarge i can use? |
| 03:20.18 | bbrazil | why would you want an older version of sarge? |
| 03:20.40 | {G}E{L} | well i mean the latest link u have |
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| 03:20.59 | k-god | !u |
| 03:20.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:21.02 | thingfish | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 03:21.02 | {G}E{L} | link to the latest version you have |
| 03:21.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 03:21.06 | thingfish | there |
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| 03:21.16 | {G}E{L} | :) cheers |
| 03:21.21 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 03:22.32 | {G}E{L} | only 137mb? |
| 03:22.38 | roderyk | I just messed up one of my debian boxes, and could use some help. It has two Raid1 partitions, and I was messing with grub, etc. To make a long story short: grub won't boot. Furthermore, when I boot knoppix (to mount the harddrive), I can't because the filesystem type is "autodetect raid". At the very minimum, how can I mount the partition so I can get at my data? (the original md0, 1 are reiserfs) |
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| 03:23.14 | eibwen | Did some more SMP/HT reading, confused about actual HT/scheduler implementation. Does SMP effectively turn a single ht cpu into 2 running at 50%, or does the scheduler provide for running non-threaded programs at 100% of cpu? |
| 03:24.29 | blujay | roderyk: I don't know much about RAID, but...I assume you know how to use mount/umount? |
| 03:25.06 | thingfish | HT schedules a single core cpu into handling threads like two separate cpus. |
| 03:25.19 | thingfish | it doesn't run two at 50% |
| 03:25.22 | k-god | blujay: RAID gives you a device which is mountable normally. |
| 03:25.33 | roderyk | blujay: well, I tried mounting it (hoping it would detect it) and mounting it with passing -t fs type |
| 03:25.39 | blujay | k-god: well, yeah, I know that much :) I guess I should have said that I don't have any personal experience with it |
| 03:25.43 | k-god | blujay: Frequently either a SCSI device (/dev/sd[a-g]) or IIRC md. |
| 03:25.52 | thingfish | eibwen: it simply uses idle time more efficiently, as if it were two cpus. |
| 03:25.56 | blujay | roderyk: are you using software RAID or what? |
| 03:26.03 | k-god | blujay: mount/umount/fsck is same as for any other filesystem. |
| 03:26.19 | roderyk | blujay: correct, it was setup for linux software raid |
| 03:26.25 | k-god | blujay: raid management (creating / breaking / adding to / restoring) is different. |
| 03:26.35 | blujay | roderyk: did you set up the array yourself, or what? |
| 03:26.50 | thingfish | eibwen: if you have a choice, buy a dual core system. ;) |
| 03:26.51 | roderyk | k-god: so, mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda2 /mnt should work? |
| 03:26.57 | k-god | roderyk: Right. |
| 03:27.05 | roderyk | blujay: during the original debian install |
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| 03:27.17 | thingfish | eibwen: not that 64bit is going to do you much good these days. |
| 03:27.27 | blujay | roderyk: k-god: don't you/doesn't he need to use the mdadm tools to set up the array before mounting it? |
| 03:27.44 | k-god | blujay: Assuming that's already done. |
| 03:27.52 | blujay | k-god: doesn't sound like it :) but I'm not sure |
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| 03:28.02 | pinky_ | Why is it that the DVDs I have burned with file >2GB cannot be read? I get the error: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda" |
| 03:28.18 | shogunx | thingfish my 64-bit alphas do ok. |
| 03:28.26 | pinky_ | How do I read these data DVDs with larger files on them?? |
| 03:28.41 | blujay | pinky_: what did you burn them with? |
| 03:28.44 | thingfish | shogunx: and I'm sure you need all that 64-bit power ;) |
| 03:28.48 | roderyk | k-god: to make it clear: I can't boot the debian system, so I tried booting from knoppix. So I'm not interested in setting up a raid, just taking one harddrive (the other one was corrupted) and mounting it so I can copy the data over |
| 03:28.50 | shogunx | pinky_, are you sure your cdrom is /dev/hda? |
| 03:28.54 | pinky_ | blujay: Nero 6 under Windows |
| 03:29.15 | blujay | pinky_: what burning software do you have installed in Debian? |
| 03:29.20 | pinky_ | chogunx: Yes it is /dev/hda other discs work, only ones with large files don't work |
| 03:29.22 | deadcat | fuck. X is broken like hell in ppc. )= |
| 03:29.28 | roderyk | k-god: but the HD is not set to 83 type (ie. linux) but to "autodetect raid" |
| 03:29.33 | shogunx | thingfish people who use the xterminals connected to the alpha seem tolike it;) |
| 03:29.49 | blujay | roderyk: I'm thinking you may need to "man mdadm" or something like that :) |
| 03:29.52 | pinky_ | blujay: I don't know, I only installed Debian recently and haven't yet burned a CD/DVD |
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| 03:30.07 | blujay | pinky_: I recommend you install k3b and try to read the disc with that, just to see if you can do that much |
| 03:30.12 | thingfish | shogunx: I'm just jealous. |
| 03:30.21 | thingfish | I admit it. |
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| 03:30.24 | pinky_ | blujay: Okay I'll do that |
| 03:30.32 | roderyk | blujay: : ) Possibly, but as you can imagine.. sort of in a bad mood at the moment. Guess I'll go find something to do for a while to calm down. |
| 03:30.34 | shogunx | thingfish don't be. i got them cheap. |
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| 03:30.42 | blujay | roderyk: ok. I imagine your data is fine. |
| 03:30.42 | thingfish | cheap is good! :) |
| 03:30.52 | blujay | pinky_: are you on sarge, testing, sid...? |
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| 03:31.16 | thingfish | yeah man some place near here has a dual core intel 2.6 with asrock mb and 512mb ddr400 for $299. |
| 03:31.24 | pinky_ | blujay: sarge but updated from backports.org |
| 03:31.34 | shogunx | thats cheap. |
| 03:32.04 | thingfish | yeah well the kicker is the asrock mbd which don't get rave reviews. |
| 03:32.09 | blujay | pinky_: well, I'd think that would work, but...you might google for something like "debian dvd ("large file" OR 2gb)" |
| 03:32.25 | minerale | after mounting certain volumes they appear on the desktop, but how can I change their name? |
| 03:32.45 | blujay | minerale: right-click? |
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| 03:32.54 | lutra | minerale: yeah right-click properties |
| 03:32.55 | ceplma | Dell Inspiron 2200 and trying 2.6.17-rc3 with bcm43xx driver (BCM4318 wifi here) -- did anybody managed to make it work? |
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| 03:33.32 | struct | is this #debian or #windows |
| 03:33.34 | minerale | blujay, lutra: eh? I can't... greyed out,, one is ntfs the other is xfs |
| 03:33.51 | minerale | blujay, lutra: I only have read permissions |
| 03:33.52 | blujay | minerale: are you on GNOME or KDE or what? |
| 03:34.03 | minerale | blujay: gnome |
| 03:34.23 | blujay | minerale: there's your first problem :) hehe, j/k...though I do prefer KDE. Anyway...are you wanting to just change the name displayed on the desktop? |
| 03:34.49 | pinky_ | blujay: k3b is unable to read the DVDs that Konqueror can't read |
| 03:34.51 | minerale | yeah, the name on the desktop defaults to the volume name |
| 03:35.07 | blujay | pinky_: I'm not entirely sure about that |
| 03:35.43 | blujay | minerale: maybe it's not (easily) possible in GNOME. I'm pretty sure that KDE makes it quite easy. You might give it a shot. But I don't use GNOME anymore, so I can't really help you there, sorry. |
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| 03:37.25 | struct | who needs a GUI anyways |
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| 03:37.50 | struct | tty1-6 are fine |
| 03:37.58 | struct | :-P |
| 03:38.18 | jnc | curses has your number |
| 03:38.20 | thingfish | yay TV Funhouse on SNL tonight |
| 03:38.50 | concept10 | ceplma, they have a channel for that driver, but I got it to work, somehow |
| 03:39.39 | concept10 | anyone know right off hand were firefox stores icons for the themes? |
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| 03:40.30 | cornernote_ | hello, i have an xorg.conf question... i have got my ATI card working with dual spanned screens. I can move windows from one screen to the other, however when i maximize a window it locks only to 1 screen. I want to get firefox (or all windows) to span across both in fullscreen mode. Can anyone help me with some suggestions to change in xorg.conf so that X Windows thinks that its 1 big monitor and not 2 joined monitors? My current xorg.conf is bas |
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| 03:41.32 | loxley_ | concept10: maybe locate firefox.png will give you something useful |
| 03:41.55 | jnc | cornernote_: want to write an essay or a question? |
| 03:41.59 | jnc | :) |
| 03:42.03 | cornernote_ | lol |
| 03:42.05 | cornernote_ | essay |
| 03:42.13 | jnc | it cut you off after "xorg.conf is bas...." |
| 03:42.16 | cornernote_ | its hard to explain in 1 sentence |
| 03:42.25 | blujay | concept10: if it's a theme you downloaded, look in ~/.mozilla/firefox/, if it's a default theme, probably /usr/share/firefox or /usr/lib/firefox |
| 03:42.28 | cornernote_ | My current xorg.conf is based on this: http://mg.pov.lt/xorg.conf |
| 03:42.34 | cornernote_ | thats all there was |
| 03:44.29 | concept10 | so many folders, so little paitence |
| 03:44.44 | blujay | concept10: do you have Konqueror? |
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| 03:44.55 | concept10 | blujay, yep |
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| 03:45.23 | blujay | concept10: then it's easy. use Konqueror's Find File to look for PNGs in those folders, and turn on thumbnail previews, and scan visually until you find the icon you want, then you can do whatever |
| 03:46.09 | concept10 | yeah, I will use Konq, because Nautilus search functions _sucks_ |
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| 03:46.56 | concept10 | I wish they would replace nautilus with konq and just implement it in GTK |
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| 03:47.32 | blujay | concept10: I used to be like you, using Konq in GNOME. Then one day I switched to KDE, and I've never looked back. :) |
| 03:48.03 | lutra | what do i need install to have spell check in evolution? |
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| 03:48.56 | blujay | lutra: $ apt-cache show evolution; check the recommended and suggested packages for ideas |
| 03:49.12 | lutra | blujay: that's a good idea :) |
| 03:49.22 | concept10 | blujay, I dont know what the hell is going on with gnome, but they work on the wrong stuff imo, they work on stripping applications of features |
| 03:49.59 | blujay | concept10: yep, exactly. KDE is the opposite, it becomes more powerful with each new release, yet it also becomes faster and leaner inside. It's so much better than GNOME. :/ |
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| 03:50.06 | concept10 | I like gnome because it is closer to functionality to OS X |
| 03:50.17 | blujay | concept10: that's true, although...I should show you my KDE desktop :) |
| 03:50.28 | concept10 | screenshot |
| 03:50.35 | blujay | concept10: ok, one sec |
| 03:50.40 | lutra | blujay: thanks |
| 03:50.44 | settky | xfce is the best |
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| 03:51.27 | lutra | xfce 4.4beta isn't in debian yet is it? |
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| 03:54.37 | lutra | oh cool there are xfce4.4beta packages available as os-cillation |
| 03:56.27 | jonas21 | lutra, oh? |
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| 03:57.39 | lutra | jonas21: http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/ |
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| 03:57.56 | jonas21 | dank u |
| 03:58.10 | lutra | jonas21: it should have xfce4.4beta packages |
| 03:58.17 | lutra | check out www.xfce.org first :) |
| 03:58.20 | jonas21 | it includes the newest thunar i'd imagine :) |
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| 03:58.54 | jonas21 | i am a lazy man so i'd rather just add something to sources.list :) |
| 03:59.08 | lutra | that's what apt is all about :) |
| 03:59.23 | jonas21 | unfortuantely, though, i have patched my xfdesktop to allow for a certain feature; i wonder if they have incorperated this feature yet :) |
| 04:00.54 | jonas21 | thank you lutra though, i've been wanting to try it out :) |
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| 04:01.10 | lutra | np...if you try it out let me know |
| 04:01.14 | jonas21 | since i'm updating to the xorg 7.0 stuff now on this machine i might as well dive all the way in |
| 04:01.19 | lutra | i'd be interested in possibly installing it myself |
| 04:01.29 | lutra | 7.0...good luck |
| 04:01.47 | jonas21 | it took a few days to iron out some things but i have it working fine on a machine from work |
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| 04:02.01 | jonas21 | and the bug that prevented mouse cursor themes from working seems to have been fixed |
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| 04:04.52 | obcp | hi |
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| 04:04.58 | lutra | dpkg? |
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| 04:06.03 | sanxiyn | Argh fixed xserver-xorg 1:7.0.15 preinst failure by hand. That was annoying. |
| 04:06.55 | obcp | i have tried route add default gw iprouter and didnt work for internet any idea? |
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| 04:12.40 | alder_ | hola |
| 04:12.43 | jonas21 | lutra, it doesn't seem that 4.4 beta packages are in that repos |
| 04:12.51 | xixor | yo |
| 04:13.03 | lutra | jonas21: ah that stinks |
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| 04:14.11 | jonas21 | http://xfce-diary.blogspot.com/2006/04/major-changes-in-xfce-44beta1.html |
| 04:14.22 | jonas21 | i'm itching for it now so i'm going to check out the repo listed there :) |
| 04:14.47 | pinky_ | Why is it that the DVD+Rs I have burned with a file that is >2GB cannot be read? I get the error: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda" |
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| 04:17.10 | lutra | jonas21: oh you're going to try those repos on that blog? the soleup ones |
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| 04:21.18 | [bono] | Question: is there any way to get firefox' quicktime plugin to work under linux w/o the crossover office commercial stuff? |
| 04:21.49 | lutra | [bono]: doesn't the mplayer-plugin support quicktime? |
| 04:21.55 | zinx | [bono]: bug apple |
| 04:22.09 | lutra | and/or the the totem mozilla plugin? |
| 04:24.15 | ceplma | concept10: thanks |
| 04:25.00 | [bono] | lutra: ill give mplayer-plugin a try. thx. |
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| 04:25.35 | lutra | np |
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| 04:29.45 | trent_ | What is needed to have gdm send me into gnome on login? I have a ~/.xinitrc file with "exec /usr/bin/gnome-session" set up. |
| 04:30.22 | zinx | first |
| 04:30.27 | zinx | remove the .xinitrc |
| 04:30.31 | trent_ | ok |
| 04:30.42 | zinx | put that exec gnome-session in ~/.xsession instead |
| 04:30.47 | zinx | and chmod +x .xsession |
| 04:31.03 | trent_ | ok |
| 04:32.10 | trent_ | thanks - will try this |
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| 04:33.53 | trent_ | zinx: hmm, didn't work - I am still booting with openbox as the wm |
| 04:34.11 | zinx | gnome is a desktop environment |
| 04:34.22 | zinx | it doesn't force you to use a particular wm |
| 04:34.49 | trent_ | zinx: hmm, I made a mistake... let me retry. |
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| 04:35.26 | banane | what makes a usb disk unrecognizeable ?I have two ,but the system just can recognize only one of them |
| 04:35.43 | zinx | banane: proprietary protocol, generally |
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| 04:38.04 | {G}E{L} | just installed Sarge 2.6 15. And when i am in GRUB screen, and select Debian boot i get "error 17: cannot mount selected partition" (Filesystem type unknown, Partition type 0x7, Kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hdf1 ro |
| 04:38.10 | {G}E{L} | can anyone help? |
| 04:38.27 | shogunx | Red_Cloud, dmesg > any_file_you_like. |
| 04:39.23 | chealer9 | {G}E{L}: what's Sarge 2.6 15? |
| 04:39.36 | {G}E{L} | http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 04:40.17 | banane | even i use root role,I can't find the disk too,if I use 'fidisk -l' ,I can't find the terrible one |
| 04:40.56 | banane | but I can use another one easily |
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| 04:41.20 | shogunx | {G}E{L} you have 6 disks on that system? |
| 04:41.48 | {G}E{L} | umm yeah |
| 04:41.54 | shogunx | ok. |
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| 04:42.39 | shogunx | {G}E{L} when you get to the grub menu, hit the e key. |
| 04:42.53 | {G}E{L} | yup now ? |
| 04:43.21 | {G}E{L} | i have a menu of : root, kernel, initrd, save default, boot |
| 04:43.27 | {G}E{L} | which 1 should i use? |
| 04:43.27 | shogunx | there should be a {hd5,0} or simila in there somewhere, right? |
| 04:43.35 | {G}E{L} | hd1,0 |
| 04:43.51 | {G}E{L} | under root |
| 04:44.22 | shogunx | try changing the 1 in (hd1,0) to 5 and hit b for boot |
| 04:44.59 | {G}E{L} | disk does not exist, when i do that |
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| 04:46.18 | shogunx | {G}E{L} hd5 in grub speak = hdf in linux speak. |
| 04:47.04 | shogunx | i surmised (hd5,0) from the root=/dev/hdf1 option you are passing to the kernel. |
| 04:47.30 | shogunx | grub does not see all 6 disks in your system. perhaps the bios does not either. |
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| 04:49.55 | {G}E{L} | hmmm my bios recognises the disks though |
| 04:50.04 | {G}E{L} | it shows them all in POST |
| 04:51.13 | shogunx | {G}E{L} did you make a seperate /boot partition? |
| 04:51.31 | {G}E{L} | actually i only got 5 disks in my computer, 4HDD 1 CD-Drive |
| 04:52.01 | {G}E{L} | not sure |
| 04:52.23 | {G}E{L} | sorry, yes, its on a complete different HDD form other OS |
| 04:52.42 | shogunx | {G}E{L} which of the 4 disks has the linux install, and which ide interface is it on? |
| 04:53.36 | {G}E{L} | IDE1 Master = CD IDE1 Sec.= LINUX |
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| 04:54.00 | shogunx | {G}E{L} IDE0 has disks on it also? |
| 04:54.55 | pinky_ | Why is it that the DVD+Rs I have burned with a file that is >2GB cannot be read? I get the error: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda" |
| 04:55.02 | {G}E{L} | on the MOBO it says IDE1, which would relate to IDE0 in bios |
| 04:55.05 | pinky_ | Other discs work fine... |
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| 04:55.38 | turiddu | how can i add ips to my box ? |
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| 04:56.30 | shogunx | try (hd1,1) then (hd1,2) and see what happens. |
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| 04:58.08 | turiddu | dolox:/etc/network# ifconfig add 66.240.231.91 |
| 04:58.08 | turiddu | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 04:58.08 | turiddu | add: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 04:58.08 | turiddu | dolox:/etc/network# |
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| 04:58.36 | shogunx | turiddu ifconfig eth0 add 66.240.231.91 |
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| 04:59.26 | shogunx | {G}E{L} try (hd1,1) then (hd1,2) and see what happens. |
| 04:59.29 | {G}E{L} | IDE0 Sec = Linux HDD....... (hd1,1) & (hd1,2) = Error 22 No such Partition |
| 05:00.22 | shogunx | {G}E{L} you have only one partition on the linux drive? |
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| 05:01.09 | {G}E{L} | yes..... i did the default partition in the installation. |
| 05:01.22 | {G}E{L} | and selected all files on 1 partition |
| 05:01.25 | shogunx | {G}E{L} and no swap partition? |
| 05:01.44 | {G}E{L} | oh there was a small 430mb swap partition created |
| 05:02.04 | shogunx | {G}E{L} and what disk was it made on? |
| 05:02.24 | {G}E{L} | IDE0 Sec. same disk as the linux OS |
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| 05:02.50 | shogunx | {G}E{L} methinks you should install again, and pay particular attention to the partitioning. |
| 05:03.06 | {G}E{L} | will do |
| 05:03.10 | shogunx | {G}E{L} since there is only 1 partition on that disk. |
| 05:03.11 | {G}E{L} | thanx for your help |
| 05:03.16 | shogunx | n/p |
| 05:03.33 | {G}E{L} | could u explain the syntax for the (hd1,0) |
| 05:03.34 | {G}E{L} | ? |
| 05:04.55 | shogunx | {G}E{L} sure hd = harddisk (obviously) the first # is disk number, starting from 0. the second is partition #, also starting from 0. |
| 05:05.05 | {G}E{L} | cheers |
| 05:05.13 | shogunx | n/p |
| 05:05.42 | wobbler | {G}E{L}, maybe its on disk 2 or 3 if you have a live cd you can lookor use the install cd to check it and be sure where its at |
| 05:06.05 | shogunx | {G}E{L} by the way, why is your cdrom primary master? |
| 05:06.12 | shogunx | thats a bit odd. |
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| 05:06.58 | {G}E{L} | becuase i got SATA on my mobo |
| 05:07.04 | {G}E{L} | n all my Hd's used to be SATA |
| 05:07.05 | shogunx | ahh. |
| 05:07.30 | {G}E{L} | n den i had to fuck around to get debain GNU working so fucked around with ide.... n yeah |
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| 05:07.32 | shogunx | i stick by my scsi. |
| 05:07.54 | TeamCanada|Silen | what's the cmd to output a user's info (gid, uid etc.) |
| 05:08.41 | stoned | !unction |
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| 05:09.10 | {G}E{L} | shogunx, up for a chat in pm? |
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| 05:09.17 | stoned | !define unction |
| 05:09.21 | stoned | nm |
| 05:09.26 | shogunx | {G}E{L} go ahead |
| 05:09.29 | stoned | i'll open up a browser goddamit |
| 05:10.13 | loumz | TeamCanada|Silen: try "id" |
| 05:10.51 | shogunx | {G}E{L} you might need to register your nic first. |
| 05:11.15 | stoned | saturday night |
| 05:11.19 | stoned | where I am |
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| 05:13.36 | stoned | Im gonna make a run to the border |
| 05:13.45 | stoned | I got a hunger only tacos can stop |
| 05:13.55 | shogunx | stoned bring me back some mexi-schwag, eh? |
| 05:14.08 | stoned | im singing a southpark song |
| 05:14.19 | stoned | I am not going to mexico, even though they have legalized budd |
| 05:14.20 | stoned | somewhat |
| 05:14.33 | shogunx | they legalized personals, essentially. |
| 05:14.38 | stoned | shogunx, why do you want mexican shwag, that shit is NASTY |
| 05:14.46 | stoned | you should go for some american dro |
| 05:14.49 | shogunx | better than the nothing i currently have. |
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| 05:15.10 | stoned | if there is a will, there is a joint |
| 05:15.15 | shogunx | heh. |
| 05:15.16 | stoned | thats all I gotta say |
| 05:15.26 | shogunx | i might have a gnarley resin ball somewhere. |
| 05:15.33 | bucky | if you can't do it stoned.. don't do it |
| 05:15.38 | stoned | there is no place on earch where people don't smoke weed |
| 05:15.44 | stoned | earth* |
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| 05:15.52 | stoned | or some form of cannabii |
| 05:16.02 | bucky | there's no place like earth.. wish you were here |
| 05:16.19 | stoned | bucky, what are you on about? |
| 05:16.41 | bucky | i'm smoking a big spliff |
| 05:16.44 | stoned | word |
| 05:17.00 | stoned | finally got my system back up |
| 05:17.06 | stoned | that last dist-upgrade kicked my ass |
| 05:17.40 | bucky | my sid is hosed |
| 05:18.15 | bucky | function keys don't work |
| 05:18.23 | bucky | no tty consoles |
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| 05:20.50 | icebit | hi all :) |
| 05:21.13 | dookie | hello |
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| 05:23.31 | shogunx | bucky serial console? ssh in? |
| 05:24.02 | bucky | haven't tried to ssh in |
| 05:24.48 | bucky | ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused |
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| 05:28.15 | bucky | i think it's my keymap.. how do i reconfigure my keymap? |
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| 05:30.02 | bucky | i only have boottime.kmap.gz in /etc/console - is that normal? |
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| 05:34.00 | beetlepun_ | is there an xorg doc package anyone? |
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| 05:36.58 | beetlepun_ | wondering what i can use for draglockkeys.. ? |
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| 05:37.32 | inc|freaky | hi all, i get the following error: |
| 05:37.33 | inc|freaky | dpkg: error processing gallery2 (--remove): |
| 05:37.33 | inc|freaky | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 05:37.33 | inc|freaky | reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
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| 05:38.23 | inc|freaky | sorry - umm, i cant reinstall the package because im allready using a downloaded version of gallery2 on that DB and reinstalling would overwrite my data i guess. how can i force removing that package? |
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| 05:41.58 | pilgrim | Anyone using GSSAPI SMTP AUTH with postfix? |
| 05:42.16 | pilgrim | Or anything (other than PLAIN and LOGIN)? |
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| 05:42.36 | TeamCanada|Silen | !tell TeamCanada|Silen about grounding |
| 05:43.55 | cafuego | pilgrim: I use digest-md5 |
| 05:44.16 | pilgrim | cafuego, if it's not a trade secret, mind telling me how you did it? |
| 05:44.38 | cafuego | pilgrim: There's a complete howto on my system :-) |
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| 05:44.53 | cafuego | pilgrim: For md5 the trick is that you need to store a plaintext password on the server. |
| 05:44.56 | pilgrim | cafuego, awesome. Do go on though. |
| 05:45.13 | cafuego | pilgrim: I'll find you the howto |
| 05:45.26 | pilgrim | cafuego, yeah do that, please. |
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| 05:45.29 | cafuego | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 05:49.00 | pilgrim | the saslauthd daemon only startup on deman dright? |
| 05:49.19 | pilgrim | cafuego, thanks for that. |
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| 05:49.47 | cafuego | pilgrim: It might be slight overkill for a few users, but for a slightly larger multi-domain setup it's great, |
| 05:50.05 | pilgrim | wow! |
| 05:50.27 | pilgrim | cafuego, yeah, I don't even have a 100 users. Hell I don't have 10 users :) |
| 05:50.36 | cafuego | pilgrim: <heh> |
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| 05:51.08 | cafuego | pilgrim: Maybe just add sasl to postfix then. You need to add users and passwords into sasldb, to be able to use md5 auth. |
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| 05:58.00 | pinky_ | What is the name of a program that is similar in functionality to Alcohol %120, or at least one that is able to mount various types of CD/DVD images on a virtual drive? |
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| 06:01.22 | mina_linux_Tux | i'm running debian sarge and want to know to which USB port my Palm is connected how to do so ? |
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| 06:04.30 | mina_linux_Tux | i'm running debian sarge and want to know to which USB port my Palm is connected how to do so ? |
| 06:04.50 | ekkikrist | shut it |
| 06:05.05 | concept10 | mina_linux_Tux, try lsusb |
| 06:05.09 | k-god | pinky_: Um. Loopback mount will handle CD/DVD images. |
| 06:05.17 | k-god | pinky_: Just plain old mount. |
| 06:05.23 | pilgrim | mina_linux_Tux, what he means is that he doesn't know. he being ekkikrist |
| 06:05.24 | fGxN | POVaddct: You asked earlier about my /dev/null (getting set to 0644). It's a device, major 1 minor 3 |
| 06:05.41 | ekkikrist | No, I mean don't repeat. |
| 06:06.08 | pilgrim | ekkikrist, be a little nicer about it. |
| 06:06.14 | mina_linux_Tux | concept10: this is the output Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 06:06.41 | mina_linux_Tux | concept10: how to know the name like tty0 or ttys0 |
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| 06:07.08 | k-god | mina_linux_Tux: Usually trial and error and/or triumph. |
| 06:07.28 | k-god | mina_linux_Tux: ... at least in my experience. |
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| 06:07.44 | k-god | mina_linux_Tux: and it's generally /dev/ttyS[01] FYI. Case matters. |
| 06:07.49 | pilgrim | Speaking of /dev. How do I print something to this screen using /dev/tty? |
| 06:08.05 | k-god | pilgrim: Sorry? |
| 06:08.11 | k-god | pilgrim: Define "this screen" |
| 06:08.30 | pilgrim | k-god, sorry, I mean to "the" screen. Meaning my own cosole. |
| 06:08.34 | pilgrim | console* |
| 06:08.54 | k-god | pilgrim: Um. "echo foo > /dev/tty<n>" should generally work. |
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| 06:09.05 | pilgrim | k-god, kcool. |
| 06:09.13 | k-god | pilgrim: You're going to have to be, at your discretion, more specific or less vague. |
| 06:09.37 | pilgrim | k-god, sorry. Next time. |
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| 06:09.57 | k-god | pilgrim: Assumes, BTW, write access to the tty. For pseudoterms (eg: xterm or equiv) you're going to be dealing with the appropriate pseudotty. |
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| 06:10.46 | pilgrim | k-god, I though tty<n> was only for a terminal window. Why is there so many? |
| 06:11.00 | k-god | pilgrim: *Every* terminal gets its own tty. |
| 06:11.24 | pilgrim | k-god, k. I guess I should ask, what's a terminal? |
| 06:11.25 | k-god | pilgrim: Generally /dev/tty is the *current* tty that a shell is on (sort of like /dev/stdin in that regard). |
| 06:11.29 | gary_ | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. This page needs to be updated to reflect how testing users should get the drivers. ok how can i get the drivers pl ? |
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| 06:11.42 | gawaine | Hi |
| 06:11.50 | k-god | pilgrim: /dev/tty0-6 are generally associated with the console (textmode) virtual terminals. |
| 06:12.02 | pilgrim | k-god, k. |
| 06:12.03 | concept10 | dammit, why does linux/unix apps have so many compile time switches and options |
| 06:12.06 | k-god | gary_: What are you quoting? |
| 06:12.17 | k-god | concept10: To soothe your soul. |
| 06:12.40 | gawaine | I'm having a problem installing debian sid on my notebook. I can't install xserver-xorg. apt-get tells that the package returns the error 10 on the preconfigure script. How can I solve this problem ? |
| 06:12.55 | gary_ | how can i get the nvidia driver for etch? |
| 06:13.05 | k-god | !tell gary_ about nvidia one liner |
| 06:13.15 | k-god | gary_: Don't ask me, I don't know. Bot has info. |
| 06:13.31 | k-god | gawaine: You can try running the preconfigure script manually and looking for its errors. |
| 06:13.42 | k-god | gawaine: scripts are under /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename> |
| 06:14.04 | gawaine | k-god: ok, thanks :) |
| 06:14.25 | k-god | gawaine: 'bash -x <script>' will expand the commands as they're run. |
| 06:14.36 | k-god | gawaine: /msg dpkg paster if you get stuck. |
| 06:15.26 | pilgrim | k-god, why won't it allow me to "echo foo > /dev/tty0" even though I'm using sudo command. |
| 06:15.44 | gary_ | k-god: the nvidia driver is not in the contrib non-free so how can i get it for etch? |
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| 06:15.54 | mina_linux_Tux | is it the answer that i get |
| 06:16.18 | k-god | gary_: There's a wrapper for the install, I think, and I told you not to ask me. I really don't know. |
| 06:16.41 | gawaine | k-god: uhm, there isn't any file for the package xserver-xorg. There are only xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video etc. |
| 06:16.43 | k-god | pilgrim: What's perms on /dev/tty0? Should be root tty crw. Root should be able to write to it. |
| 06:16.44 | Kyley | hey can the dpkg bot do a package search? |
| 06:16.58 | gary_ | k-god :ok t/u |
| 06:17.09 | liable | !tell Kyley about search |
| 06:17.33 | k-god | gawaine: Sounds like a possible packaging problem. Do you have full sources specified? Etch? |
| 06:18.06 | pilgrim | k-god, yeah, root has RW permission. However, I'm in ubuntu and there is not root enabled. And sudo doesn't even ask for a password. |
| 06:18.24 | Kyley | okay, "no" :) |
| 06:18.26 | k-god | pilgrim: sudo should ask for your password. 'sudo -i' should get you a root shell. |
| 06:18.28 | gawaine | k-god: sid, and I haven't specified any deb-src in the sources.list |
| 06:18.35 | k-god | Kyley: Yes. 'search foo'. |
| 06:18.41 | liable | k-god: err, yes it can |
| 06:18.58 | k-god | liable: Kyley? |
| 06:18.59 | pilgrim | k-god, I'm totaly shocked. Thanks for that (sudo -i) |
| 06:19.04 | k-god | pilgrim: NP. |
| 06:19.06 | liable | yeah, sorry |
| 06:19.15 | k-god | pilgrim: 'sudo su -' or 'sudo bash' are pretty much equiv. |
| 06:19.37 | k-god | pilgrim: Some people will tell you that that's the root of all evil, but I find it convenient. |
| 06:19.41 | netman1 | Kyley: Yes it can: dselect update ; dpkg -l '*package*' |
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| 06:19.53 | pilgrim | k-god, interesting. |
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| 06:20.27 | k-god | Feh. I need to fix a console keymap. Parallels virtual machine under OSX. |
| 06:20.28 | pilgrim | k-god, on which tty does GUI usually start in? |
| 06:20.32 | k-god | pilgrim: 7 |
| 06:20.36 | user_ | help please,i can't startx... |
| 06:20.46 | k-god | user_: From where as who? |
| 06:20.55 | liable | some errors would generally help |
| 06:20.59 | k-god | user_: Generally has to be root (anywhere) or user (at console) |
| 06:20.59 | user_ | after running apt-get update,apt-get upgrade |
| 06:21.00 | pilgrim | k-god, so 0 should be accessable through alt + f1 + ctrl , right? |
| 06:21.04 | k-god | !tell user_ about smart questions. |
| 06:21.14 | user_ | !tell |
| 06:21.25 | k-god | pilgrim: Usually expressed as ctrl-alt-f1, but yeah. |
| 06:21.33 | k-god | user_: /msg bots please. Don't !tell yourself. |
| 06:22.15 | k-god | !tell user_ about set up x |
| 06:22.43 | pilgrim | k-god, in my case ctrl-alt-f1 is tty1. What gives? |
| 06:23.02 | k-god | pilgrim: Um. Someone can't agree on an ordinal numbering base? |
| 06:23.17 | gawaine | k-god: can I solve this problem using apt-build ? or what other can I do ? |
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| 06:23.23 | pilgrim | k-god, agrr. my fun is ruined :) |
| 06:23.32 | k-god | gawaine: Um. What's the problem? |
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| 06:24.21 | gawaine | k-god: that the xserver-xorg package returns an error 10 in the preconfigure script, and in /var/lib/dpkg/info there aren't any script for xserver-xorg |
| 06:24.21 | k-god | gawaine: You should be able to install xserver-xorg or something close to that. |
| 06:25.03 | k-god | gawaine: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.preinst? |
| 06:25.31 | k-god | gawaine: Not handy atm. Use the shell, luke. |
| 06:26.51 | gawaine | k-god: k-god: nothing, there isn't xserver-xorg.preinst |
| 06:27.22 | k-god | gawaine: Try reinstalling. Should be there. |
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| 06:28.02 | pilgrim | k-god, so at tty1 there is a login prompt. Now, with "echo 'root' > /dev/tty1" and if somehow I could echo the <ENTER> keypress, I should be prompted for the password in /dev/tty1 , right? If so, how can I echo <ENTER> |
| 06:28.03 | pilgrim | ? |
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| 06:28.53 | kerneld | pilgrim: maybe printf "\r" > /dev/tty1 |
| 06:28.54 | k-god | pilgrim: echo -e 'foo\ |
| 06:29.00 | k-god | pilgrim: echo -e 'foo\n' |
| 06:29.05 | gawaine | k-god: I have alredy tried to delete /var/cache/apt/archive/xserver-xorg_*.deb and to do an"apt-get install xserver-xorg" but nothing :/ |
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| 06:29.16 | k-god | gawaine: install --reinstall |
| 06:29.19 | k-god | gawaine: Try that. |
| 06:29.25 | kerneld | k-god: echo automaticall appends a \n unless you do echo -n anyway |
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| 06:29.30 | k-god | gawaine: ... or maybe '--reinstall install' |
| 06:29.35 | k-god | kerneld: Point. |
| 06:29.40 | gawaine | k-god: same error :/ |
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| 06:30.03 | k-god | gawaine: apt-get update; apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg |
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| 06:30.40 | kerneld | if you have the terminal in raw mode somehow, and you hit enter, you can see ^M on the screen which is \r isn't it. Just thinking aloud |
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| 06:31.03 | k-god | kerneld: \n == linefeed \r == carriage return |
| 06:31.08 | pilgrim | k-god, kerneld cool. I messed up my tty1. Now all the prompts and everything I type with the keyboard is ALL CAPITAL no matter if I have my cap locks on. |
| 06:31.11 | k-god | kerneld: Not sure which '<enter>' is. |
| 06:31.19 | gawaine | k-god: same error :/ |
| 06:31.23 | k-god | pilgrim: Heh. exit. |
| 06:31.31 | cauco | hello, what program is good for watch tv |
| 06:31.33 | k-god | pilgrim: ... then turn off capslock and log in again. |
| 06:31.39 | k-god | cauco: 24. |
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| 06:31.52 | pilgrim | k-god, went back to normal after 60secs on timout |
| 06:31.53 | pilgrim | :( |
| 06:31.56 | k-god | pilgrim: That's a *very* old teletype compatibility relic. |
| 06:32.04 | cauco | tunnig tv in linux |
| 06:32.10 | kerneld | pilgrim: The login program does that to support some archaic terminals which only send caps |
| 06:32.29 | k-god | pilgrim: Right, it does that. Basically, login says "hrm, bozo at the prompt can't give me anything but uppercase, I'll assume they're stuck on a CAPS ONLY terminal. |
| 06:32.35 | kerneld | it folds the case to lowere case if you enter the username in all caps I think |
| 06:32.40 | cauco | watch tv in my computer |
| 06:32.47 | k-god | !tell cauco about repeat |
| 06:32.52 | k-god | !tell cauco about search |
| 06:33.05 | k-god | !tell cauco about es |
| 06:33.31 | pilgrim | k-god, :) ubuntu is so smart. Urrr I mean, so is debian :P |
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| 06:33.39 | k-god | pilgrim: ?? |
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| 06:34.14 | pilgrim | k-god, nm, just a stupid joke about the intellegence of the login daemon. |
| 06:34.25 | pilgrim | intelligence* |
| 06:34.36 | k-god | pilgrim: whoosh. |
| 06:34.40 | kerneld | pilgrim: Its just a work aroud |
| 06:34.48 | pilgrim | kerneld, I see. |
| 06:34.51 | k-god | pilgrim: That's like a 30 year old hack. |
| 06:35.20 | kerneld | people should have upper case letters in the username even though it will probably work, so it shouldn't pose an issue |
| 06:35.24 | pilgrim | k-god, kerneld , ok but anyway, that echo -e 'root\n' > /dev/tty1 doesn't "press" <ENTER>. Any other ideas? |
| 06:35.47 | kerneld | s/should/shuoldn't/ |
| 06:35.50 | kerneld | bah |
| 06:35.52 | pilgrim | LOL |
| 06:36.01 | k-god | pilgrim: I'm not sure what login's waiting for or listening to. What are you trying to do? Automatically start a shell on that terminal? |
| 06:36.14 | pilgrim | k-god, yeah :) |
| 06:36.23 | kerneld | maybe pilgrim wants to look at innittab |
| 06:36.34 | pilgrim | hmm. k |
| 06:36.42 | kerneld | you can spawn any app you want on a tty all its own |
| 06:36.57 | k-god | pilgrim: inittab's definitely one way to do that. There are others, I'm not too clear on a general solution. |
| 06:36.57 | kerneld | by default it spawns getty |
| 06:37.17 | kerneld | also, the open comman, opens a new tty and runs the app in it |
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| 06:37.35 | pilgrim | k-god, there is no "problem" I'm just playing around. So, no worries. |
| 06:37.56 | k-god | pilgrim: Right. |
| 06:38.03 | tc_ | hi, some body would tell me why i can not see others computers in LAN from network/nautilus??? please |
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| 06:38.28 | tc_ | i just install debian, apt testing packages ... |
| 06:38.31 | kerneld | pilgrim: did you try printf "username\r" > /dev/tty1 ? |
| 06:38.43 | k-god | tc_: /join #gnome |
| 06:38.44 | pilgrim | kerneld, no I didn't. one sec :) |
| 06:38.51 | k-god | tc_: Presumably you're looking for SMB shares? |
| 06:39.02 | tc_ | k-god, yes |
| 06:39.15 | nrdb | Hi, does anyone here know how to delete all items from a GTK+ GtkComboBox that was created by the gtk_combo_box_new_text() function? |
| 06:39.24 | pilgrim | kerneld, nope . |
| 06:39.43 | pilgrim | kerneld, behaves deferently that with echo though. |
| 06:40.17 | kerneld | pilgrim: maybe try \r\n |
| 06:40.19 | pilgrim | cafugo, no yet in? |
| 06:40.25 | Red_Cloud | Will miracles never cease?! I now have snort communicating with MySQL!! My problem was that MySQL did not want my complete hostname but only the name before the extension. Gentlemen, THAT took two weeks. Beers all 'round! |
| 06:40.28 | pilgrim | kerneld, oh that's intersting. one sec. |
| 06:41.29 | pilgrim | kerneld, visually it "hit" enter (meaning it went to the new line and at the beginning of it). But password prompt didn't come up. |
| 06:43.19 | pilgrim | I'm always affraid that I got logged off when the chatter stops. |
| 06:43.25 | pilgrim | Did I get logged of? |
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| 06:43.29 | kerneld | Nah |
| 06:43.29 | pilgrim | (don't say yes) |
| 06:43.33 | pilgrim | oh ! |
| 06:43.34 | pilgrim | :D |
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| 06:43.41 | TeamCanada|Silen | is it possible to have 2 different drives mounted as one? (say, I want to have /home/me/shares/ and /hdb/ appear as /share/ |
| 06:43.42 | k-god | pilgrim: /msg dpkg test |
| 06:43.56 | pilgrim | k-god, great. :) |
| 06:44.27 | kerneld | Not sure what you are trying to achive, but I think the login program does some dirty rotten unix tricks to check that its reading from the controlling terminal or something |
| 06:44.42 | Seb | TeamCanada|Silen: like unionfs ? |
| 06:44.52 | TeamCanada|Silen | unionfs? |
| 06:44.58 | Seb | TeamCanada|Silen: unionfs |
| 06:45.05 | TeamCanada|Silen | I don't know what unionfs is |
| 06:45.11 | Seb | TeamCanada|Silen: you can google it up |
| 06:45.21 | kerneld | so that its more difficult for someone that has write access to the tty dev to spoof a login screen and capture the password |
| 06:45.26 | chealer9 | Seb: google? |
| 06:45.33 | Seb | chealer9: some search engine I think |
| 06:45.42 | Seb | chealer9: not sure, just recently heard about it :> |
| 06:45.56 | pilgrim | kerneld, hmm..don't know about that, but seems that printf-ing to a tty doesn't do much at all. I opened vi in tty1 and went into insert mode. then from another terminal I did an echo messaage , saved the vi file, and then cat -ed it. Nothing. |
| 06:46.12 | chealer9 | Seb: oh. anything better than MSN? |
| 06:46.33 | Seb | chealer9: i don't think there is anything better than MSN. |
| 06:46.46 | Seb | chealer9: maybe it's just me |
| 06:46.50 | chealer9 | Seb: right...thanks anyway |
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| 06:47.06 | pilgrim | kerneld, well, what's stopping anyone that has access to a shell from writing a program that "looks" like login and just capture the pass. |
| 06:47.15 | kerneld | pilgrim: You are just outputting to the terminal, like a process writing to stdout |
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| 06:47.41 | Seb | chealer9: you're most welcome, heh |
| 06:47.44 | pilgrim | kerneld, why is actual typing different? |
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| 06:47.58 | pilgrim | kerneld, or how is it different? |
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| 06:48.37 | pilgrim | kerneld, oh! A lightbulb just went off kbd is a device right? Can I pipe stuff into it and then pipe it to tty1? |
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| 06:48.51 | plasmoduck | is it okay to run PSYBNC as root? |
| 06:48.59 | plasmoduck | or is that a security risk? |
| 06:49.22 | k-god | pilgrim: /proc/<pid>/fd/ shows device open filedescriptors. |
| 06:49.34 | kerneld | pilgrim: You might like to play with expect if you want to interact with a program via a ptty |
| 06:49.37 | Morden | hiya, I have a problem with my server, I cannot ping a certain www-address on it. However if I ping the IP it works. Strange is that on my computer at home I can ping thise www-address |
| 06:49.37 | k-god | pilgrim: You might be able to write directly to login's input through that. |
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| 06:49.50 | k-god | kerneld: Problem is he's not running login via expect. |
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| 06:50.05 | pilgrim | k-god, what's expect? |
| 06:50.09 | k-god | pilgrim: So, if you could just launch bash on a console, would that solve your problem? |
| 06:50.19 | k-god | pilgrim: A solution to a problem similar but subtly different to yours. |
| 06:50.34 | pilgrim | k-god, look. I don't have a problem. Maybe I do: too much time. |
| 06:50.35 | k-god | pilgrim: Basically: how to interact with programs that expect to be interactive, noninteractively. |
| 06:50.37 | kerneld | k-god: And if he needs to interact with login, then he should edit inittab and have it fork his expect wrapper |
| 06:50.43 | k-god | pilgrim: Modem connect scripts are typical. |
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| 06:50.50 | plasmoduck | is it okay to run PSYBNC as root? |
| 06:50.51 | k-god | kerneld: Hell, he should launch bash directly. |
| 06:50.58 | k-god | !tell plasmoduck about repeat. |
| 06:51.03 | pilgrim | LOL |
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| 06:51.26 | plasmoduck | !tell k-god about answering his question |
| 06:51.32 | pilgrim | LOL |
| 06:51.35 | kerneld | k-god: Or write an sh script :P |
| 06:51.37 | empty_mind | where can i paste error messge before asking for help ? |
| 06:51.52 | pilgrim | !pastebin |
| 06:51.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 06:51.57 | k-god | kerneld: Um. Sure. A bash script to launch bash... |
| 06:52.05 | pilgrim | LOL |
| 06:52.12 | k-god | kerneld: I think that might win a useless use of bash award. |
| 06:52.26 | kerneld | it would help if we knew what pilgrim was aiming to achieve |
| 06:52.31 | pilgrim | k-god, hey ,I've won useless awards before. |
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| 06:52.58 | kerneld | its at least a useless as self printing c programs |
| 06:53.02 | pilgrim | kerneld, login at tty1 without typing directly at the prompt. |
| 06:53.02 | k-god | kerneld: What's bothering me about this whole discussion is that I'm *sure* there's a way to launch a process on a given tty (at least as root) but I can't think of one. |
| 06:53.08 | pilgrim | kerneld, that's my goal. |
| 06:53.16 | k-god | pilgrim: inittab. |
| 06:53.36 | k-god | pilgrim: If you're going to automate login, simply dispense with the authentication and start a shell directly. |
| 06:53.37 | pilgrim | k-god, hmm... |
| 06:53.45 | k-god | pilgrim: Seriously, that's your answer. |
| 06:53.48 | kerneld | pilgrim: Change the getty for one of the ttys in inittab to bash |
| 06:54.04 | pilgrim | kerneld, cool. |
| 06:54.05 | k-god | pilgrim: login's job is to: 1: authenticate the user and 2: start the user's specified shell. |
| 06:54.14 | kerneld | k-god: and there is the open command |
| 06:54.19 | pilgrim | k-god, I see. |
| 06:54.20 | empty_mind | iam trying to compile driver for intel 3945 wireless card. Compilation returns following errors http://channels.debian.net/paste/2460 . What could be wrong |
| 06:54.22 | k-god | pilgrim: You want the shell. Get login out of the way. |
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| 06:54.25 | k-god | kerneld: Hrm... |
| 06:54.49 | k-god | kerneld: Ah. Cool, that would do it. |
| 06:54.56 | k-god | pilgrim: 'open -c 9 bash' |
| 06:55.13 | k-god | pilgrim: See if that launches bash on VC #9 (ctrl-alt-f9). |
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| 06:55.39 | pilgrim | NO FREAKING WAY! |
| 06:55.41 | empty_mind | valdyn, u there |
| 06:55.46 | pilgrim | that's awesome. |
| 06:55.49 | deadcat | anyone using the useragent plugin for firefox? it keeps resetting when i restart firefox. |
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| 06:55.52 | kerneld | pilgrim: Heh |
| 06:55.57 | k-god | pilgrim: ;-) |
| 06:55.59 | TeamCanada|Silen | I hit ctrl+z, how do I resume the task in the background? |
| 06:56.04 | k-god | !beer kerneld |
| 06:56.07 | pilgrim | kerneld, no I'm not limited to 6 consoles :) |
| 06:56.20 | kerneld | pilgrim: It hels to say what you want to get to, you might very well be making things too difficult |
| 06:56.39 | bhony | who's up for werking wid css..? |
| 06:56.40 | Phated | TeamCanada|Silen: fg |
| 06:56.50 | pilgrim | kerneld, sometimes, that's where the fun is and you learn unexpected things. |
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| 06:57.16 | pilgrim | kerneld, k-god, nice discussion. Thanks alot :) |
| 06:57.22 | k-god | pilgrim: NP. |
| 06:57.28 | deadcat | Phated: have you seen the latest openbox themes? |
| 06:57.36 | TeamCanada|Silen | phated, fg brings it back to the foreground, how do I get it in the background? |
| 06:57.39 | bhony | have you guys ever visited the debian forums..? |
| 06:57.41 | Phated | deadcat: Can't say I have, what are they like? |
| 06:57.48 | deadcat | Phated: split gradient (= |
| 06:57.53 | kerneld | pilgrim: np. |
| 06:57.58 | punsad | question.. I've got a 400MHz box with 256MB of RAM and firefox is really. Is there anything I can do to speed it up? Actually - I can barely watch a dvd with it. Seems like I should be able to do this even though it is a pretty old box |
| 06:58.00 | Phated | TeamCanada|Silen: Start the task with 'command &', it'll run in the background. |
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| 06:58.06 | Phated | deadcat: Cool. |
| 06:58.12 | TeamCanada|Silen | I can't restart it, it's an mv |
| 06:58.14 | punsad | firefox is really slow that is |
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| 06:58.30 | deadcat | Phated: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060413_12247.jpg and the next one. |
| 06:58.35 | kerneld | ~ |
| 06:58.35 | k-god | punsad: More memory wouldn't hurt. What are you running for a windowmanager? |
| 06:58.36 | Phated | TeamCanada|Silen: Ctrl-C? Or just open a new terminal to do another task, sheesh :) |
| 06:58.47 | punsad | k-god: icewm |
| 06:58.47 | TeamCanada|Silen | im in putty, ssh |
| 06:59.02 | Phated | Heh, learn to use screen(1) :) |
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| 06:59.14 | TeamCanada|Silen | ah, got it, sorry |
| 06:59.19 | k-god | punsad: 400 MHz is slowish by contemporary standards, but not painfully. icewm's nice and light. Check your disk params with hdparm. |
| 06:59.19 | deadcat | screen(1) is a MUST... |
| 06:59.31 | Phated | deadcat: Nice. |
| 06:59.36 | punsad | k-god:thanks |
| 06:59.42 | deadcat | i rank screen number 1 as best software ever |
| 06:59.47 | k-god | deadcat: If someone didn't invent screen already I'd have to kill them for forgetting. |
| 06:59.59 | punsad | screen+ btdownloadcurses = match made in heaven |
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| 07:00.14 | deadcat | punsad: + a php script i wrote for downloading tv torrent (= |
| 07:00.16 | k-god | deadcat: screen, vim, bash, mutt. It's tough competition. |
| 07:00.21 | deadcat | k-god: same here |
| 07:00.21 | Phated | screen + btlaunchmanycurses = heaven itself :) |
| 07:00.40 | k-god | Phated: *I'm* not heaven itself, darling? |
| 07:00.41 | TeamCanada|Silen | what is the minimum processing power required for avi decoding @ 1024x1280 32-bit colout |
| 07:00.54 | Phated | k-god: I've known better heavens than you, baby. |
| 07:01.02 | johnsu01 | Phated: except that btlaunchmanycurses errors out whenever I resize the screen (like with C-a S). |
| 07:01.04 | k-god | Phated: Keep in mind ... |
| 07:01.08 | k-god | Phated: ... we've never met. |
| 07:01.08 | deadcat | Phated: then you must check this: http://deadcat.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?SCREEN=hack&ID=autorrent&PRINTER_FRIENDLY=1 |
| 07:01.11 | Phated | johnsu01: Never happened to me. |
| 07:01.21 | Phated | k-god: Your point? |
| 07:01.27 | deadcat | Phated: i never have to serach for tv torrent anymore |
| 07:01.30 | k-god | Phated: Long and pleasing. |
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| 07:01.43 | k-god | <sniff> JK Galbraith is dead. |
| 07:01.45 | johnsu01 | Phated: but I agree with the sentiment anyway :) |
| 07:01.49 | Phated | k-god: It doesn't mean anything unless you've proven it. |
| 07:02.03 | Phated | deadcat: Nice. |
| 07:02.08 | deadcat | thanks |
| 07:02.28 | k-god | Phated: It takes me a while to get to everyone, but rarely fail to please. |
| 07:02.48 | Phated | k-god: Again, until you've pleased, you haven't proven your ability to please. |
| 07:03.15 | k-god | Phated: Um. I have. _Your_ point? |
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| 07:03.31 | Phated | k-god: Until you've pleased -me-, you won't get me to agree that you can please. |
| 07:03.36 | deadcat | Phated: if you want the openbox with the split gradient patch and the gtk2 theme i use in those screenshot: deb http://debian.sshonly.sytes.net unstable/ |
| 07:03.46 | Phated | deadcat: Cool, but nah :) |
| 07:03.48 | k-god | Phated: OK. Shall we set a date then? |
| 07:03.53 | deadcat | k |
| 07:04.14 | punsad | anyone got a good idea for a project? Seems like I miss the days when I was setting my server up |
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| 07:04.27 | Phated | k-god: You buy the plane tickets, dinner, condoms, and lube. I'll bring my nympho self. |
| 07:04.43 | k-god | Hrm. |
| 07:04.52 | deadcat | i am baking up my stuff on the ibook since X is broken so i will send it back to apple to get the hd replaced |
| 07:04.57 | k-god | French Laundry or Spagos? |
| 07:05.11 | Phated | Either way. |
| 07:06.20 | TeamCanada|Silen | O_O" |
| 07:06.34 | k-god | Or Chez Panisse. Hrm. You vegi or omni? |
| 07:06.47 | Phated | Omni, darlin', I like the meat :) |
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| 07:06.51 | punsad | deadcat: did you install linux on an ibook? |
| 07:06.57 | TeamCanada|Silen | I'm just gonna leave now |
| 07:07.10 | cahoot | why don't you take the cooing somewhere else? |
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| 07:07.12 | deadcat | punsad: yes.. much better |
| 07:07.38 | punsad | deadcat: wow.. you actually like it much better than osx? |
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| 07:08.09 | Phated | k-god: -ot, if you must. |
| 07:08.23 | k-god | Phated: Sure. |
| 07:08.28 | deadcat | punsad: osx suck cocks |
| 07:08.50 | punsad | deadcat: what sort of windowmanager do you use? |
| 07:08.54 | deadcat | punsad: well actually i only clicked around few times |
| 07:08.58 | deadcat | punsad: openbox |
| 07:09.19 | deadcat | my openbox theme rocks. (= |
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| 07:10.02 | punsad | deadcat: how well is all the hardware supported? e.g. battery power management, wireless, etc.. |
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| 07:10.46 | pilgrim | orafu, did i talk to you earlier? |
| 07:10.55 | deadcat | punsad: everything works for me. since this is a g3 and i dont even hvae the airport card. thats just orinoco, but the new ones use broadcom and the driver is working for some people already |
| 07:11.03 | pinky__ | What is the name of a program that is similar in functionality to Alcohol %120, or at least one that is able to mount various types of CD/DVD images on a virtual drive? |
| 07:11.25 | pilgrim | orafu, Are you Christoph Haas? |
| 07:11.34 | deadcat | punsad: when i want the machine to sleep. i either close the lid or press the button |
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| 07:12.48 | punsad | deadcat: you run debian on it? |
| 07:13.04 | TeamCanada|Silen | is there a way to get cpu temp reports in linux? |
| 07:13.24 | deadcat | punsad: yes |
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| 07:14.01 | pilgrim | kerneld, k-god, will doing linux from scratch teach me all that stuff (all that stuff = what happens when things get started, how MBR works, how login startups and such?) |
| 07:14.22 | TraceGreen | what is snd-pcm-oss? |
| 07:14.23 | pilgrim | startsup* |
| 07:14.30 | TraceGreen | alsa? oss? |
| 07:14.34 | TTT | hi, as I undestand, 3D support is broken in X11R7 in sid, isn't it? |
| 07:14.41 | cahoot | TraceGreen: alsas oss emulation - you want it |
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| 07:15.24 | punsad | TeamCanada|Silen:lmsensors |
| 07:15.44 | punsad | punsad: |
| 07:15.53 | punsad | oops |
| 07:15.54 | Nin | hi there! |
| 07:16.17 | TraceGreen | cahoot, I got "Could not open sound device /dev/dsp -Check permissions or full duplex capability" |
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| 07:16.53 | TeamCanada|Silen | punsad, can I apt-get that? |
| 07:16.54 | TraceGreen | cahoot, This is ohpone about listening. |
| 07:17.02 | cahoot | TraceGreen: did you check permissions? user is member of audio group? |
| 07:17.22 | TraceGreen | cahoot, i am in root. |
| 07:17.39 | punsad | TeamCanada|Silen: I think so... for your future reference... just 'apt-cache search packagename' to see if it's a debian package |
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| 07:17.48 | TeamCanada|Silen | thanks |
| 07:18.22 | cahoot | TraceGreen: can you cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp? |
| 07:19.02 | unix_infidel | sure |
| 07:19.19 | unix_infidel | lol, was that a question of possibility or will? |
| 07:19.30 | TeamCanada|Silen | what type of processor do I have i386? (AMD K-6) |
| 07:19.45 | unix_infidel | most likely an 686 |
| 07:20.04 | k-god | TeamCanada|Silen: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:20.06 | Charles | how do i get debian to ifup so i can share files from my laptop |
| 07:20.25 | TraceGreen | cahoot, yeah! |
| 07:20.28 | punsad | TeamCanada|Silen: if your asking so you know what kernel paackage to install, there is a k6 package for the kernel |
| 07:20.56 | cahoot | TraceGreen: ok so sound basically works but some app has problems? |
| 07:21.24 | TraceGreen | cahoot, thanks! I think it may be the problem pwlib/ h323 to alsa sound card? i check it. |
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| 07:21.54 | punsad | Charles: are you sharing to other linux boxes? |
| 07:22.03 | Charles | yes |
| 07:22.05 | cahoot | TraceGreen: is this app not alsa aware? |
| 07:22.13 | Charles | i just cant get debian to work out |
| 07:22.22 | Charles | i got ubuntu to activate |
| 07:22.54 | TraceGreen | cahoot, I don't konw, I load snd-intel8x0, does it mean i use alsa? |
| 07:22.56 | punsad | Charles: I think you need samba |
| 07:23.03 | cahoot | TraceGreen: yes |
| 07:23.23 | TraceGreen | cahoot, i think ohphone could use alsa, but i don't know why it doesn't work now. |
| 07:23.28 | TraceGreen | cahoot, thanks |
| 07:23.30 | pilgrim | Which device is my mouse in /dev? |
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| 07:23.50 | bhony | ../mousey.. |
| 07:24.00 | TeamCanada|Silen | I'm using kernel 2.4.27-2-386, can I run k6 packages? |
| 07:24.01 | bhony | try that.. it might work.. |
| 07:24.27 | Charles | downloading now |
| 07:24.55 | pilgrim | bhony, you joking? (if not there is not dev mousey) |
| 07:25.32 | punsad | TeamCanada|Silen: what do you mean 'k6' packages? My advice is to just stick with what you got |
| 07:25.34 | Charles | i got samba |
| 07:26.18 | punsad | Charles: did you just install it? or you got it running? |
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| 07:26.46 | Charles | only installed |
| 07:26.53 | Charles | dont know how to get it running |
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| 07:27.10 | trollboy | is there something up with the unstable pool right now? |
| 07:27.20 | trollboy | I got a box at work I updated at work off unstable |
| 07:27.23 | trollboy | no problems |
| 07:27.31 | trollboy | I do the same to this box, and X dies |
| 07:27.36 | punsad | Charles: first see if it's running.. ps ax | grep smb |
| 07:27.41 | punsad | Charles: is it? |
| 07:28.27 | Charles | 1sec |
| 07:28.44 | trollboy | and then there's the topic |
| 07:28.45 | trollboy | heh |
| 07:28.50 | Charles | how di it ell |
| 07:29.04 | Charles | How do i tell |
| 07:29.16 | punsad | Charles: did you issue the command: 'ps ax | grep smb' ? |
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| 07:29.39 | Charles | yes |
| 07:29.56 | punsad | Charles: what did you see after issuing that command? |
| 07:30.04 | Charles | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.04 | Charles | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.05 | Charles | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.17 | punsad | Charles: okay.. that means its running |
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| 07:30.34 | Charles | ok |
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| 07:31.08 | punsad | Charles: now... you need to configure /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 07:31.18 | TeamCanada|Silen | swat it |
| 07:31.36 | TeamCanada|Silen | apt-get install swat |
| 07:31.44 | punsad | Charles: yeah... if you've got swat installed, that makes it pretty easy. |
| 07:31.45 | Charles | how |
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| 07:32.30 | punsad | Charles: if you have swat, you can just point your browser to http://localhost:901 and there is a nice web interface |
| 07:32.38 | Charles | i dont got swat |
| 07:32.43 | Charles | ok lemme get it |
| 07:33.59 | kerneld | pilgrim: Sorry, was on another channel. If you can get a look at the w-richard-stevens books, UNPv1&2 and APUX they show you alot |
| 07:34.17 | TeamCanada|Silen | punsad, I installed lm sensors, what command do I use? |
| 07:34.41 | Charles | punsad, its connecting to that site |
| 07:34.47 | kerneld | pilgrim: and man init - follow the trail from there |
| 07:34.52 | pilgrim | kerneld, huh? That's the _title_ of the book? I'm already intimidated |
| 07:35.03 | punsad | TeamCanada|Silen: dunno... I've never used it |
| 07:35.06 | pilgrim | kerneld, what /dev is my mouse? |
| 07:35.08 | TeamCanada|Silen | >_< |
| 07:35.19 | dorel_ | autofs doesnt seem to work and so does ivman for debian unstable. is there any other alternative i can try for automounting usb drivers? (usb key) |
| 07:35.25 | punsad | Charles: does it seem to work? |
| 07:35.26 | Charles | how do i get swat to load |
| 07:35.36 | Charles | it hasnt loaded yet |
| 07:35.45 | pilgrim | kerneld, I wanted to try and freak it out by piping urandom to the mouse and see what it'll do :) |
| 07:35.53 | Charles | the machine is ubuntu right now |
| 07:36.11 | kerneld | pilgrim: APUX == Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment I think. Its actually kind of dated now I guess, but it gives some insight to lots of the unix interface |
| 07:36.27 | streuner | Charles: Why do you ask here? |
| 07:36.29 | pilgrim | kerneld, oh, That I got. (Just haven't read it :) |
| 07:36.30 | punsad | TeamCanada|Silen: check out TeamCanada|Silen |
| 07:36.38 | punsad | TeamCanada|Silen: check out http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6712 |
| 07:36.43 | pilgrim | kerneld, there was a new release just recently. |
| 07:36.52 | kerneld | pilgrim: mouse is a character device. I think its read only |
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| 07:37.03 | pilgrim | kerneld, oh, damn. |
| 07:37.25 | xevious | what is dirmngr? |
| 07:37.35 | TTT | hm, got opengl working with X11R7, but quake3 is dog slow, though ppracer runs quite fine :-\ |
| 07:37.48 | TTT | (q3 wasnt dog slow on x11r6.9) |
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| 07:38.22 | kerneld | pilgrim: Just because you can read from the device does nopt imply if you write to it, that emulates artificial input |
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| 07:39.46 | xevious | what are CRLs and why do i have dirmngr doing stuff with them? |
| 07:40.00 | punsad | Charles: you need to edit /etc/inetd.conf to allow swat, then restart the inetd daemon |
| 07:40.02 | TeamCanada|Silen | bash: sensors-detect: command not found |
| 07:41.21 | kerneld | pilgrim: Reminds me of a secutiy flaw in some sun servers a while back. The speaker device was installed with lax permisions, and you could open the speaker device for reading and it acted as a microphone so a user could record an audio file of conversations going on in the server room |
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| 07:41.28 | trollboy | is there something in synaptic that allows you to undo your last "apply"? |
| 07:41.40 | bhony | kerneld.. uh huh.. |
| 07:41.43 | kerneld | a long while back. Not sure if its an urban legend |
| 07:42.10 | xevious | kdepim |
| 07:42.11 | pilgrim | kerneld, cool. Good old days with the bugs. |
| 07:42.12 | xevious | don't use that |
| 07:42.21 | xevious | no dirmngr necessary |
| 07:42.35 | bhony | got it.. |
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| 07:42.51 | bhony | nifty.. |
| 07:42.57 | TeamCanada|Silen | how do I uninstall a package? |
| 07:43.03 | punsad | Charles: unless you get swat working, you may want to read up on |
| 07:43.23 | punsad | Charles: smb.conf... try man smb.conf |
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| 07:43.29 | streuner | punsad: #ubuntu |
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| 07:43.51 | punsad | streuner: is that a reccomendation to me? |
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| 07:44.09 | Brox | good morning every1 |
| 07:44.13 | streuner | punsad: isn't it better to help there with ubuntu problems? |
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| 07:44.23 | bykte | how come you cant file name complete if the folder or file contains a "(" in it? this a bug or is there a workaround? |
| 07:44.26 | pilgrim | kerneld, #gentoo showed me this "cat /dev/psaux" and then moving the mouse prints junk |
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| 07:45.04 | kerneld | pilgrim: Yeah, of course |
| 07:45.14 | xevious | if i have a properly configured kernel, then 'discover' isn't really necessary, is it? |
| 07:45.35 | kerneld | but that does not imply cat /dev/urandom > /dev/psaux simulates mouse input |
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| 07:45.59 | kerneld | xevious: It can be a nuisance even |
| 07:46.13 | TeamCanada|Silen | how do I uninstall a package? |
| 07:46.18 | xevious | discover gives me a bunch of errors |
| 07:46.27 | punsad | I don't even like ubuntu... i just stick with "plain" old debian |
| 07:46.30 | streuner | TeamCanada|Silen: apt-get remove package, man apt-get |
| 07:46.30 | Brox | what is the difference between VAR="/foo" and export VAR=/foo? Why can i put export VAR=/foo in ~/.bash_profile and then do source ~/.bash_profile and then the VAR isn't set - but when i do the same with ~/.bashrc it is? I find that weird |
| 07:46.39 | TeamCanada|Silen | thanks |
| 07:46.50 | pilgrim | kerneld, is the keyboard device readable? |
| 07:47.06 | pilgrim | kerneld, if so, how hard would it be to make a keylogger? |
| 07:47.19 | kerneld | pilgrim: There atre programs to snoop ttys |
| 07:47.27 | gary_ | apt-get remove --purge package |
| 07:48.04 | kerneld | pilgrim: eg, investigate ttysnoop |
| 07:48.07 | streuner | punsad: <Charles> the machine is ubuntu right now |
| 07:48.10 | pilgrim | kerneld, yeah but where's the fun in _using_ one?! |
| 07:48.41 | punsad | streuner: i don't even know what happened to him |
| 07:48.58 | pilgrim | kerneld, how appropriate, ttysnoop site has pop-ups! |
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| 07:49.12 | streuner | punsad: he left, after we asked him "why do you ask here" |
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| 07:50.06 | TeamCanada|Silen | well, I'm afraid I'm done linux for tonight |
| 07:50.12 | TeamCanada|Silen | ZzZz, later all |
| 07:50.19 | xevious | can i remove xfs? |
| 07:50.39 | streuner | !info xfs |
| 07:50.47 | dpkg | xfs: (X font server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 07:51.07 | kerneld | snooze time |
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| 07:51.38 | pinky__ | How do I unmount a CD image I mounted with the "mount -o loop" option? |
| 07:51.44 | punsad | xevious: in cases like that, I just go ahead and do apt-get remove xfs (for example) and see what else has to get removed |
| 07:51.57 | xevious | ah |
| 07:51.59 | xevious | thanks |
| 07:52.07 | punsad | pinky__: umount doesn't work? |
| 07:52.31 | pinky__ | punsad: I tried that, it said command not found?? |
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| 07:53.01 | punsad | pinky__: you need to be root |
| 07:53.06 | pinky__ | I am. |
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| 07:53.48 | punsad | pinky__: you tried 'umount name_of_mountpoint' and it said 'command not found'....? |
| 07:53.50 | binarybeats | hello |
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| 07:54.18 | binarybeats | where can I find docs on how to migrate from software RAID1 to software RAID0 |
| 07:54.31 | punsad | pinky__: a lot of times, I'll accidentally type unmount |
| 07:54.59 | pinky__ | D'oh! |
| 07:55.07 | xevious | why would i have dbus installed if nothing relies on it? |
| 07:55.13 | punsad | pinky__: that'll do it |
| 07:55.24 | pinky__ | Haha okay yeah umount works... except now it's saying that the device is busy... |
| 07:55.33 | xevious | huh |
| 07:55.42 | xevious | nothing needs dbus, but they need libdbus |
| 07:55.45 | xevious | sorry |
| 07:55.50 | xevious | i'll stop wasting space |
| 07:55.57 | DimmuR | binarybeats: i think the best solution is to backup data, remove raid1 and make new raid0 or depend on your raid controller check it's documentation |
| 07:56.10 | punsad | pinky__: hah! try lsof to get the pid of the offending job and try to kill it |
| 07:56.33 | binarybeats | I was hoping there was a way to do it without removing the container |
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| 07:57.29 | DimmuR | binarybeats: some time ago i was searching for migration from raid5 to raid1 (with removing 2 hdd's) - and i got info from intel that this is the only way |
| 07:57.51 | chewy | how do i transfer files from debian to ubuntu |
| 07:57.57 | binarybeats | with software RAID? |
| 07:58.03 | punsad | so anyone have a good suggestion for fun linux project? |
| 07:58.17 | punsad | not coding that is... |
| 07:58.25 | DimmuR | binarybeats: no it was hardware raid |
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| 07:58.52 | punsad | chewy: which files? |
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| 08:00.25 | chewy | mp3s |
| 08:00.34 | trollboy | so does debian have anything to walk you through x setup? |
| 08:00.45 | valdyn | !drxx trollboy |
| 08:00.45 | dpkg | trollboy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:00.46 | punsad | chewy: save them to a partition that doesn't get whackked |
| 08:00.52 | trollboy | danke |
| 08:00.55 | chewy | how |
| 08:00.59 | chewy | im kinda a newb |
| 08:01.00 | pinky__ | punsad: How do I tell using lsof? |
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| 08:01.08 | valdyn | chewy: with scp |
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| 08:01.26 | valdyn | chewy: scp localfile remotehost: |
| 08:01.28 | punsad | pinky__: the second column over is the PID, i think |
| 08:01.39 | frederick | How can I get Region four DVD's to play on Mandriva |
| 08:01.43 | xevious | so what does the dbus-1 init script start, exactly? |
| 08:01.48 | valdyn | chewy: or scp localfile remoteuser@remotehost: |
| 08:01.49 | punsad | frederick: vlc |
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| 08:02.02 | chewy | its going from computer to another |
| 08:02.08 | frederick | punsad: thanks |
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| 08:02.20 | valdyn | chewy: sure yes |
| 08:02.35 | punsad | frederick: dunno if it'll work for sure, but I've had good luck with it |
| 08:02.39 | valdyn | !scp |
| 08:02.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp |
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| 08:03.47 | chewy | cp: cannont stat localfile no such directory |
| 08:03.55 | pinky__ | punsad: Yes but how do I tell if it's using the /mnt/iso/ up? |
| 08:04.09 | valdyn | chewy: its scp, not cp, and localfile is a placeholser for your mp3 file |
| 08:04.20 | Phated | chewy: Er... "localfile" means you should substitute the actual name of the local file? :) |
| 08:04.23 | chewy | o |
| 08:04.27 | frederick | punsad: i'v tried Mplayer and Xine. Either they can't encode region four dvd's or I didn't configure them properly. There is a patent issue apparantly with the Library. |
| 08:04.28 | chewy | ok |
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| 08:05.06 | punsad | pinky__: perhaps 'lsof | grep iso' |
| 08:05.09 | chewy | its on my desktop and its called completed |
| 08:05.10 | valdyn | frederick: you are trying to _Create_ region coded dvds? |
| 08:05.12 | Kupal[]_ | how can i boot lilo not to reboot on kernel failure? |
| 08:05.31 | valdyn | frederick: if you are not, did you mean 'decode' ? |
| 08:06.25 | frederick | valdyn: I meant decode sorry |
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| 08:06.37 | valdyn | frederick: libdvdcss is on marillat |
| 08:06.39 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 08:06.39 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
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| 08:07.05 | valdyn | frederick: those 'patent issues' are U.S only |
| 08:07.19 | punsad | chewy: I'm not understanding if you are talk about two different boxes - a debian one and an ubuntu one... or is this an ubuntu box that was converted from a debian box... or what |
| 08:07.49 | chewy | ok the mp3s are one one box thats debian |
| 08:08.05 | chewy | i got a laptop that i want some tunes on thats ubuntu |
| 08:08.07 | Kupal[]_ | my lilo just reboots!? |
| 08:08.10 | punsad | chewy: and all you are trying to do is copy them to another box? |
| 08:08.23 | frederick | valdyn: i'll look into it more, for some reason the dvd's aren't playing. |
| 08:08.30 | chewy | yep |
| 08:08.40 | valdyn | frederick: do you have libdvdcss installed? |
| 08:08.44 | chewy | debian box isnt hooked to the net |
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| 08:08.56 | chewy | but i got all the cables to hook them together |
| 08:09.03 | Goa | may i ask a question? |
| 08:09.05 | valdyn | frederick: package name should be libdvdcss2 |
| 08:09.20 | streuner | Goa: /msg dpkg ask |
| 08:09.21 | Kupal[]_ | new kernel, and no output except the linux.gz ( it says something about seeing the bios, then resets.. any help)? |
| 08:09.31 | Goa | i did it |
| 08:09.33 | Kupal[]_ | how can i get enough debugging to see what im missing? |
| 08:09.39 | valdyn | chewy: maybe you should hook them together before asking about copying stuff |
| 08:09.41 | punsad | chewy: if the box with the mp3s isn't on the net - how do you plan on moving them to the laptop? |
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| 08:10.00 | streuner | Goa: and you unterstood it? why you waiting for? you already asked ;-) |
| 08:10.01 | chewy | a crossover cable |
| 08:10.09 | streuner | s/why/what/ |
| 08:10.15 | chewy | i just need to configure on the inside |
| 08:10.35 | punsad | chewy: is burning to dvd/cd an option? |
| 08:10.35 | frederick | valdyn: i just checked, It isn't installed, can I get that from the Mplayer website? |
| 08:10.43 | valdyn | frederick: no |
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| 08:10.45 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 08:10.45 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
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| 08:10.50 | chewy | nope |
| 08:10.57 | valdyn | frederick: read what dpkg said |
| 08:11.10 | chewy | punsad, dont know much about linux so |
| 08:11.15 | Goa | i already install the os by netinst boot cd,i downloaded the packages and configured everything,i'd like to know how to start kde |
| 08:11.30 | streuner | Goa: apt-get install kde |
| 08:11.41 | chewy | Does swat only work on debian? |
| 08:11.42 | ootput | hi guys, how would a user be able to change his user details in passwd? |
| 08:11.43 | punsad | chewy: I don't even know how to dirctly connect boxes like that... there typically needs to be a server |
| 08:11.46 | ootput | like, for instance, his First and last name |
| 08:11.53 | streuner | Goa: Have you X installed yet? |
| 08:12.00 | chewy | punsad, ok |
| 08:12.01 | punsad | chewy: no...but all boxes obviously need to be on a net |
| 08:12.20 | Goa | streuner i dont think so,it automatically downloaded some packages |
| 08:12.29 | chewy | punsad, my laptops got wifi my home comp dont |
| 08:12.39 | Goa | so i dont even now |
| 08:12.39 | streuner | Goa: well, apt-get install x-window-system(-core) then |
| 08:12.57 | punsad | chewy: do you have a wireless router that accepts ethernet cables? |
| 08:12.57 | Goa | i just have to write that comand? |
| 08:13.10 | chewy | yes |
| 08:13.11 | streuner | Goa: apt-get install x-window-system kde |
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| 08:13.18 | valdyn | chewy: you can just connect those 2 boxes directly with your crossover cable |
| 08:13.24 | streuner | Goa: as root, yes |
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| 08:13.32 | frederick | valdyn: ok i'm not using Debian, i'm using Maldiva so i didn't understand the message from dpkg |
| 08:13.32 | Goa | manty thanks bro |
| 08:13.35 | chewy | well i dont know how to config it to act as a access point |
| 08:13.43 | TTT | hi, are there debian packages for x composition manager, xcompmgr? |
| 08:13.43 | punsad | chewy: plug the ethernet cable from the debian box into that router and you are golden |
| 08:13.47 | chewy | valdyn, i got a crossover |
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| 08:13.51 | TTT | apt-cache search finds nothing |
| 08:13.59 | valdyn | frederick: we dont support maldiva ( whatever that is ) |
| 08:14.12 | valdyn | frederick: ask in their channel / forum / support line / whatever |
| 08:14.26 | streuner | Goa: you need kdm in order to start KDE, or you edit ~/.xsession with 'exec startkde' (/msg dpkg .xsession) |
| 08:14.41 | valdyn | !sunday |
| 08:14.42 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 08:14.43 | Goa | umh |
| 08:14.57 | streuner | Goa: just use kdm for the first time |
| 08:15.09 | Goa | so |
| 08:15.17 | Goa | tell me what i have to do to use kdm |
| 08:15.28 | valdyn | Goa: you install it |
| 08:15.35 | Goa | how |
| 08:15.40 | streuner | apt-get install kdm |
| 08:15.44 | valdyn | hell |
| 08:15.46 | Goa | and to run it? |
| 08:16.29 | Goa | ? |
| 08:16.31 | streuner | Goa: just start, it explains many thing when doing... |
| 08:16.41 | Goa | many thanks |
| 08:16.44 | Goa | i'll be back |
| 08:16.51 | Goa | cauz i have too boot with debian now |
| 08:16.53 | Goa | :) |
| 08:16.58 | Goa | i haveo nly 2 machine |
| 08:17.03 | Goa | only 1 |
| 08:17.07 | chewy | how do i get my debians ip address |
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| 08:17.30 | POVaddct | chewy: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 08:18.21 | punsad | chewy: i thought you said it's not on the net |
| 08:18.38 | chewy | its not im trying the crossover cable |
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| 08:19.47 | chewy | why is this so hard? |
| 08:20.03 | chewy | gotta have a degree to transfer files |
| 08:20.19 | POVaddct | chewy: bullshit |
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| 08:20.34 | filleokus | Hi |
| 08:20.47 | chewy | i cant figure it out |
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| 08:21.00 | POVaddct | chewy: which protocol do you want to use to transfer files? |
| 08:21.08 | punsad | chewy: I don't understand why you don't plug the ethernet cable from the debian box into the wireless router.. don't you want that box on the net at least to get updates? |
| 08:21.09 | chewy | what ever works |
| 08:21.11 | POVaddct | chewy: which OSs are the two machines? |
| 08:21.32 | TTT | um, how do I find out which packages depend on package X? |
| 08:21.37 | filleokus | are they any guide about how you make a debian server wlan ap and dhcp server and nat and so on? |
| 08:21.46 | punsad | POVaddct: he's got a debian desktop and an ubuntu laptop |
| 08:21.56 | chewy | ok for the wireless router it wont pick up the wifi that i get from the window. |
| 08:22.05 | chewy | i am using wifi to connect right now |
| 08:22.18 | chewy | so how do send wifi to the router |
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| 08:22.56 | chewy | debian and ubuntu |
| 08:23.02 | punsad | chewy: what do you mean "send wifi" to the router. I thought it's a wireless router. |
| 08:23.09 | POVaddct | chewy: so the wifi connection in the debian machine is not working at the moment? |
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| 08:23.48 | chewy | i have a pci card reader but i need to config it |
| 08:23.59 | chewy | the laptops got the card |
| 08:24.29 | chewy | i got a netgear wireless router but it dont do everything the airlink does |
| 08:24.42 | POVaddct | chewy: pci card reader?! you probably mean a pci cardbus bridge |
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| 08:24.52 | chewy | i guess |
| 08:24.58 | chewy | thats in the home comp |
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| 08:25.18 | chewy | i was trying to plug the wifi card into it |
| 08:25.20 | {G}E{L} | hey i am just booting Debian Sarge for the first time |
| 08:25.33 | {G}E{L} | but i require login and password??? |
| 08:26.06 | punsad | {G}E{L}: the dialogue during installation should have had you enter the username and password for a user |
| 08:26.15 | chewy | where should i go from the laptop to router. in the uplink or in a port |
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| 08:26.26 | chewy | crossover or regular cable |
| 08:26.36 | {G}E{L} | it didnt? |
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| 08:26.46 | punsad | chewy: "port" |
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| 08:26.58 | TTT | chewy: port probably. Some switches/routers are smart, they work with both crossover and normal cables |
| 08:27.00 | {G}E{L} | i used this image http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 08:27.07 | chewy | ok |
| 08:27.11 | POVaddct | chewy: port. and most of the routers can handle both cable types. |
| 08:27.12 | punsad | chewy: regular |
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| 08:27.26 | fplus | hi. does uptime give the cpu usage? |
| 08:27.37 | streuner | !nickometer {G}E{L} |
| 08:27.39 | dpkg | '{G}E{L}' is 66.000% lame, streuner |
| 08:27.39 | chewy | ok done |
| 08:27.55 | punsad | {G}E{L}: well... you can always login as root... surely you have that password |
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| 08:28.07 | POVaddct | chewy: does the router have a builtin dhcp server? |
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| 08:28.33 | chewy | i dont know sorry |
| 08:28.39 | streuner_ | {G}E{L}: if not, just reinstall |
| 08:28.57 | chewy | its a netgear so its not fancy |
| 08:29.07 | punsad | chewy: do you know how to interact with the router (i.e. get to the control panel)... ? |
| 08:29.17 | POVaddct | chewy: did you set an ip adress on the ubuntu machine manually, or does it get the address automatic? |
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| 08:29.38 | punsad | chewy: a lot of times, you point your browser to http://192.168.0.1 or something like that |
| 08:29.39 | TTT | yay, xcompmgr works! |
| 08:30.04 | chewy | i tried that and its loading |
| 08:30.20 | chewy | for some reason its taking longer this time to access the control for the router |
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| 08:31.27 | punsad | (G)E(L): do you have the root passwd? |
| 08:31.36 | chewy | this is my router http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WGR614.php |
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| 08:33.24 | {G}E{L} | thast wut im asking for |
| 08:33.27 | {G}E{L} | wut is the root password |
| 08:33.50 | {G}E{L} | i didnt create any other accounts, wasnt prompted to |
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| 08:34.08 | POVaddct | chewy: type in this on both the ubuntu and the debian machine and look at the ip address: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 |
| 08:34.33 | punsad | {G}E{L}: lemme ask... is this sarge? also - did you get through installing the base packages and setting up the network and reboot? |
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| 08:35.30 | TTT | {G}E{L}: you should have been prompted for password during install. If you weren't, and you use lilo, you can hack your box by booting linux with lilo options init=/bin/bash |
| 08:36.40 | punsad | I think you don't get asked for passwd for root or anything until AFTER the first reboot, or am I remembering it wrong? |
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| 08:37.34 | {G}E{L} | yes it is sarge |
| 08:37.36 | fplus | how to print the current cpu usage? |
| 08:37.42 | punsad | chewy: are you there? I wonder if he lost connection when he plugged his ethernet cable |
| 08:37.46 | {G}E{L} | i think my install didnt complete successfully so im reinstalling now. |
| 08:37.58 | liable | fplus: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 08:38.02 | punsad | fplus: w |
| 08:38.24 | POVaddct | fplus: top |
| 08:38.31 | xevious | if i set the timeout in grub.conf to 0, is there a key i can hold at startup to force the menu to show? |
| 08:39.31 | simonrvn | punsad: still works that way |
| 08:40.00 | punsad | simonrvn: what are you referring to? |
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| 08:40.18 | punsad | simonrvn: oh.. the install |
| 08:40.23 | fplus | POVaddct, i want to print it on the terminal... |
| 08:40.24 | simonrvn | <punsad> I think you don't get asked for passwd for root or anything until AFTER the first reboot, or am I remembering it wrong? |
| 08:40.35 | fplus | liable, cpuinfo doesn't have current cpu sage |
| 08:40.38 | fplus | usage* |
| 08:40.42 | POVaddct | fplus: yeah, try top |
| 08:41.13 | punsad | simonrvn: I hope they never change it :) |
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| 08:41.37 | fplus | POVaddct, how? |
| 08:41.45 | Kupal[]_ | <Kupal[]_> i have a bad kernel, the system just reboots, i cannot diagnoise. how can i get it to stop rebooting? |
| 08:41.50 | POVaddct | fplus: type in: top <RETURN> |
| 08:42.08 | simonrvn | rather useful |
| 08:42.15 | fplus | POVaddct, i don't want to monitor the procs.. etc.. i only want to get teh cpu usage on the terminal:s |
| 08:42.35 | fplus | i want top to display the current cpu usage that's all |
| 08:43.01 | POVaddct | fplus: top displays the cpu usage in the first lines |
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| 08:43.54 | stumbles | has there been any talk of gnome login problems after updating Testing? |
| 08:43.55 | punsad | Kupal[]_: do you have an old boot floppy? |
| 08:44.09 | POVaddct | fplus: like this: Cpu(s): 1.7% user, 0.7% system, 0.0% nice, 97.7% idle, 0.0% IO-wait |
| 08:44.41 | punsad | hey... anybody else try icewm with the WinClassic theme? it's eiree |
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| 08:46.19 | punsad | anyone else here try using NX server? I'm thinking about it |
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| 08:46.52 | punsad | I always though vnc was slow.. nx is supposed to be fast |
| 08:47.28 | fplus | POVaddct, im trying to get top to display user+system cpu usage only |
| 08:48.01 | narma | hello, I use debian etch with gnome, Whan I plugin usb devices there are not automacally mounted and nor the /dev/sdbX node is created. I only can mount my device with "mount /dev/.static/dev/sdbX /my/mount/dir/". Is there something to do ? thanks :) |
| 08:48.08 | POVaddct | fplus: top | grep Cpu |
| 08:48.16 | netsurfer | hi ppl, I have a very hungry cpu process running on my sarge box, sendmail-msp - I've uninstalled sendmail due to a lot of errors on startup.. besides I dont use the mail facility on the box.. how do I get rid of sendmail-msp ? |
| 08:48.23 | fplus | POVaddct, that would hang forever |
| 08:48.50 | fplus | POVaddct, you don't seem to understand what i need ... |
| 08:48.50 | xevious | if i have grub's timeout set to 0, is there a key i can hold to force the menu to come up? |
| 08:49.08 | fplus | POVaddct, im making a program executing some commands to get the current cpu usage.. |
| 08:49.31 | fplus | POVaddct, so the program needs to get it in 1 command... |
| 08:49.33 | liable | xevious: why set it to 0 if you want to choose? |
| 08:49.38 | xevious | i dont |
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| 08:49.45 | xevious | but i may need to at some point |
| 08:49.52 | liable | so set it to 1 |
| 08:49.53 | POVaddct | fplus: top -n 1 | grep Cpu |
| 08:50.12 | POVaddct | fplus: see the -n option in the top manpage |
| 08:50.15 | fplus | that'd better help |
| 08:50.34 | xevious | liable: i'll just try setting it to zero and holding shift or something |
| 08:50.39 | xevious | i'll let you know what happens |
| 08:50.44 | fplus | top -n 1 | grep Cpu | cut -d' ' -f2 |
| 08:50.55 | liable | xevious: if you hold the down arrow or e it mat work. |
| 08:51.11 | liable | s/mat/may |
| 08:51.32 | xevious | ok |
| 08:51.35 | xevious | brb |
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| 08:52.56 | fplus | POVaddct, do i need to add the users+system cpu usage to get total cpu usage? |
| 08:52.59 | bengrubb | just a quick question, if you were to use a control panel which one would it be? |
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| 08:53.07 | bengrubb | for web hosting |
| 08:53.20 | POVaddct | fplus: yes |
| 08:53.41 | Inflicted | bengrubb: VHCS - www.vhcs.net - It works great on Debian |
| 08:53.58 | bengrubb | yer i'm having problems with it though :( webmail and ftp dont work |
| 08:54.04 | Inflicted | bengrubb: It's free too!! |
| 08:54.22 | bengrubb | yes i like it alot but it just giving me the *beeps* |
| 08:54.52 | Inflicted | bengrubb: What do you mean? You have problems with it? Like what? |
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| 08:55.24 | bengrubb | Inflicted: I can't do webmail / mail in 2.4.7.1 and i cant use ftp |
| 08:55.40 | bengrubb | Inflicted: I think it is a little buggy |
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| 08:55.49 | bengrubb | Inflicted: I'd love it to be working though |
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| 08:56.15 | Inflicted | bengrubb: No, it's not that buggy. I am using it for a production server with FTP and webmail - no problems!! |
| 08:56.21 | fplus | POVaddct, what you think of echo `top -n 1 | grep Cpu | cut -d' ' -f2 | cut -d'%' -f1` + `top -n 1 | grep Cpu | cut -d' ' -f5 | cut -d'%' -f1` | bc |
| 08:56.22 | mutante | hmm, i am still not used to web applications now also being available as debian packages, was that a general decision some time ago,to also package things like mediawiki,wordpress etc..and would you really recommend using apt-get install (and update) on those kinds of things over manual install? |
| 08:56.43 | bengrubb | Inflicted: What version are you using? |
| 08:57.19 | {G}E{L} | what does this mean ? /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 08:57.23 | POVaddct | fplus: should work |
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| 08:57.40 | narma | Why are the mechanisms which autmount usb devices into debian etch/gnome ? |
| 08:57.52 | fplus | POVaddct, isn't it a big long? can it be done with a shorter command? |
| 08:58.39 | mutante | fplus: make it a short alias |
| 08:58.48 | liable | narma: gnome-volume-manager/hal |
| 08:59.01 | Inflicted | bengrubb: v2.4.7.1 - the latest version |
| 08:59.08 | POVaddct | fplus: i'd try to use bash (not cut) to separate the fields |
| 08:59.17 | Inflicted | bengrubb: u get my private message? |
| 08:59.45 | narma | liable, is that gnome-volume-manager which create node into /dev ? (kernel 2.6.15-1-486) |
| 08:59.46 | bengrubb | <Inflicted> hi there |
| 08:59.47 | bengrubb | <Inflicted> download this script... |
| 08:59.47 | bengrubb | <Inflicted> http://wael.nasreddine.com/files/vhcs/vhcs.sh |
| 08:59.55 | bengrubb | : ok yer i'm talking in you window |
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| 09:00.08 | bengrubb | argh |
| 09:00.40 | bengrubb | Inflicted: pm |
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| 09:01.08 | Goa | back |
| 09:01.09 | Goa | :D |
| 09:01.12 | liable | narma: i think i would look at udev if its not even being assigned a device. check bts |
| 09:01.22 | bengrubb | Inflicted: I got your pm |
| 09:01.29 | bengrubb | Inflicted: ty very much |
| 09:01.29 | Inflicted | bengrubb: ok, cool |
| 09:01.30 | Goa | well i installed kdm,kde and server X |
| 09:01.33 | xevious | liable: shift didn't work |
| 09:01.42 | xevious | byebye folks |
| 09:01.44 | Goa | i wrote startx, but it crashed |
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| 09:01.56 | brizben | When I (accidentally) type the following command cd' my bash prompt changes to a ">"and I have trouble getting out of it. What is happening? |
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| 09:02.23 | liable | brizben: just hit ^c |
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| 09:02.31 | jeffrin | iam not getting /proc/acpi |
| 09:02.36 | {G}E{L} | what does this mean ? /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 09:03.24 | jeffrin | iam not getting /proc/acpi |
| 09:03.39 | brizben | liable thankyou it just worked ... so what is going on? what program did I start? |
| 09:03.45 | liable | {G}E{L}: could you possibly lose the leading { or at least change it to a charater that doesnt require use of the shift key? |
| 09:04.07 | liable | brizben: bash is waiting for more input. |
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| 09:04.46 | fplus | how to get the mem usage in %? |
| 09:04.52 | gel | :D |
| 09:04.55 | mutante | fplus: top |
| 09:04.56 | liable | thanks |
| 09:05.12 | fplus | mutante, top doesn't display them in % |
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| 09:05.39 | mutante | ups,sorry, that was CPU usage |
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| 09:06.18 | Goa | guys i installed kdm,kde and also x-window-system but i think i badly configured it because when i tpye "startx" it crashes |
| 09:06.23 | mutante | cat /proc/meminfo and calculate it from MemTotal and MemFree |
| 09:06.51 | wols | !tell Goa about drxx |
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| 09:06.59 | mutante | you could probably use cut or grep and then pipe it to bc to calculate |
| 09:07.02 | liable | Goa: define crashes. did you install x-window-system?? |
| 09:07.04 | streuner_ | Goa: what videocard do you have? |
| 09:07.16 | liable | duh |
| 09:07.17 | Goa | i have |
| 09:07.27 | Goa | a readone 9800 pro |
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| 09:07.35 | wols | Goa: what videocard? chipmaker and number? |
| 09:07.43 | wols | damn. need to type faster |
| 09:07.50 | Goa | radeon 9800 pro saphire |
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| 09:07.51 | Goa | ati |
| 09:08.43 | Goa | are u there? |
| 09:08.50 | streuner_ | you need the driver or look if xorg 6.9 (backports) support it |
| 09:08.57 | liable | Goa: whats the actuall error? |
| 09:09.10 | Goa | liable x-server crashes |
| 09:09.15 | Goa | fatal error |
| 09:09.23 | Goa | i'd like to reconfigure it |
| 09:09.39 | liable | Goa: the log and give us the exact error |
| 09:09.45 | liable | !drxx Goa |
| 09:09.45 | dpkg | Goa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:10.04 | Goa | i'll try that |
| 09:10.06 | wols | Goa: go into /var/log. there's log directory for X in there. use "less" to view the newest log |
| 09:10.17 | wols | in there is a message starting with "EE". that's the error |
| 09:10.25 | Goa | thanks |
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| 09:11.04 | liable | duh, i forget the 'grep' word in that last message :) |
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| 09:14.20 | punsad | hey... I just installed a neat package ... thought I'd pass it on: libapache-gallery-perl |
| 09:14.41 | punsad | its great for generating on the fly galleries from directories on your drive |
| 09:15.33 | punsad | not much for conversation here I see |
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| 09:16.03 | bengrubb | Inflicted: Are you there |
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| 09:17.52 | drupan | Hi there is currently an error in the config script (Bug #365353) of the xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.15_all.deb package. How do I override/replace the packaged config script with my own version when running dpkg -i ? |
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| 09:18.45 | Inflicted | bengrubb: yes, im here |
| 09:19.08 | Space_Ace | Hi |
| 09:19.23 | Inflicted | bengrubb: u can talk to me in private, so that we dont flood the channel |
| 09:19.27 | bengrubb | Inflicted: hi i have a pm for you |
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| 09:21.10 | Space_Ace | May I ask for help in this chan? |
| 09:21.19 | bengrubb | dont ask that |
| 09:21.24 | bengrubb | everyone will yell at you |
| 09:21.30 | bengrubb | just ask the question |
| 09:21.43 | liable | drupan: either just run the script or unpack the .deb and fix it then repack it. |
| 09:22.10 | bengrubb | Inflicted: I am trying to send you a jpg |
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| 09:23.08 | liable | !tell Space_Ace abot faq |
| 09:23.10 | Space_Ace | Right - I reinstalled sarge, and I saved the contents of /home; how could I recover the mail messages from Mozilla?up my deb |
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| 09:23.19 | krnl`- | hi |
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| 09:24.33 | krnl`- | i've to build a high performance webserver (apache + FastCGI) with a not too strong machine. What kernel settings you recommend? Are there any documents about tuning kernel? Its a machine with AMD processor. |
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| 09:24.56 | liable | Space_Ace: you will have a dir thats random numbers(in .mozilla), copy it over. |
| 09:25.33 | Space_Ace | Ok how about the permissions? |
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| 09:28.02 | Space_Ace | 2nd question (more like an opinion): I am about to purchase a new pc; is it worth trying an AMD64? |
| 09:28.04 | liable | Space_Ace: well, they should be ok if its the same user. if not, man chown |
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| 09:28.33 | Space_Ace | Thanks a lot |
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| 09:28.46 | Space_Ace | They should indeed be the same |
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| 09:30.44 | pinky_ | Hey, it seems I cannot read DVDs I have burned that contain files >2GB (all CDs and other DVDs work fine)... I get the error: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda, missing codepage or other error" |
| 09:31.15 | drupan | liable: thanks, I'll look into repacking the package |
| 09:31.26 | myxie | I'm using make-kpkg and linux-source-2.6.16 but I want to integrate in the latest ALSA source which has fixes for my hardware. Is there an easy diff or some recipe? |
| 09:31.28 | wols | Space_Ace: yes. cause in the lifetime of that PC debian for x86-64 will be ready. in fact, it would be stupid to not buy a 64 bit ready PC now. and there is no good intel desktop chip at all |
| 09:32.10 | cahoot | myxie: I simply copiled and installed alsa-driver from alsa.org |
| 09:32.11 | wols | myxie: patch the kernel then make munconfig as normal and then make-kpkg it |
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| 09:32.43 | myxie | I'm missing the patch. ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/kernel-patches is not so helpful |
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| 09:33.19 | Space_Ace | Anybody managed to set up a debian on it (the AMD64)? 'cause I'm just a home user - partially computer literate |
| 09:33.30 | myxie | cahoot: overwriting the normal debian alsa modules? |
| 09:33.55 | cahoot | myxie: yes |
| 09:33.55 | wols | myxie: cause for 2.6 ALSA is always in the kernel now. so there should be no patches or anything required unless you use a really bleeding edge alsa cvs thing or such |
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| 09:34.22 | myxie | yes, I really need the bleeding edge (or a new linux-source pkg with the bleeding edge) |
| 09:34.32 | wols | Space_Ace: there is a debian project for it. but if you don't know your way around I wouldn't use it yet. too many problems for normal users |
| 09:34.45 | cahoot | myxie: you need the kernel src (or maybe just headers) |
| 09:35.06 | myxie | I have the source (linux-source-2.6.16-10....deb) |
| 09:35.33 | wols | myxie: you need the headers |
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| 09:36.49 | bengrubb | Inflicted: as i am not registered i dont think you see my pm's |
| 09:36.49 | myxie | I also need custom patches for my SATA driver, so I need the source. :-) Downloading alsa-driver tarball now. |
| 09:36.52 | mutante | fplus: http://s23.org/wiki/Bash_Scripts#Show_memory_usage_in_percent |
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| 09:37.06 | Space_Ace | Indeed I've read about it, but it looks cumbersome - it is "unstable" after all; since my machine is really outdated, my other option is to buy a 2nd hand PIV, and wait until the x86-64 becomes stable... |
| 09:37.29 | maittecazzu | hi |
| 09:37.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | for an server i wnat to make the partitions: / /boot /backup and /var, but what file system should i drop on it? /boot will be ext2 but what should the rest be? reiserfs? |
| 09:37.33 | Inflicted | bengrubb: type this: /query Inflicted |
| 09:38.19 | wols | Inflicted: unless you set some mode to allow msgs from unidentified users this won't work |
| 09:38.34 | Inflicted | wols: everything is working fine now, thanks |
| 09:38.35 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: why ext2? |
| 09:38.43 | bengrubb | inflicted join #bengrubb |
| 09:39.04 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: and the choice of FS is mainly personal choice. you won't notice any difference |
| 09:39.09 | Space_Ace | Reiserfs is very fast |
| 09:39.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, becaus ive read that someone and since then i used it on my gentoo maschines |
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| 09:39.27 | goa | hi all guys |
| 09:39.35 | goa | well finally i startx |
| 09:39.43 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: what did you read? were there any reasons given? |
| 09:39.50 | DJ-Marcuzz | i see a lot of maschines that have ext2 on their /boot |
| 09:40.16 | goa | can anyone tell me how to have a higher resulution than 800x600 ? |
| 09:40.27 | wols | that's the "eat shit! 10 billion flies can't be wrong" argument |
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| 09:40.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, no, but if i ask in an chanel and 75% sais ext2 on /boot that may be an good idea |
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| 09:40.50 | wols | unless they give you a reason why, it's a shitty idea |
| 09:41.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | but wols, when its wrong tell me why ;) |
| 09:41.03 | wols | just because someone says so is a very very lousy reason |
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| 09:41.19 | wols | I don't even have a separate /boot partition, so I wouldn't know |
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| 09:41.48 | mutante | why not make it ext3? |
| 09:41.49 | wols | as I said: FS rarely makes any difference, so go ahead |
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| 09:41.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | where you go, i have an /boot :P, |
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| 09:42.06 | tombs | hi all |
| 09:42.28 | wols | !tell goa about drxx |
| 09:42.30 | wols | again |
| 09:42.32 | cahoot | mutante: waste of space for no useful purpose |
| 09:42.46 | zamaliphe | what is this error |
| 09:42.48 | zamaliphe | found `diversion of /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock to /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock.o |
| 09:42.49 | goa | i already |
| 09:43.00 | goa | reconfgured xserver |
| 09:43.04 | wols | goa: when you do it, you can change resolutions |
| 09:43.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | mutante, in the time i was in #gentoo i heard from multiple peps that ext3 wasn't verry robust, i don't have an ups so the power could drop of the system once a year, and it crashes sometimes |
| 09:43.12 | goa | it |
| 09:43.17 | goa | doesnt change |
| 09:43.19 | goa | at all |
| 09:43.24 | goa | it remain 800x600 |
| 09:43.25 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: now that is the stupidest reason ever |
| 09:43.28 | dorel_ | how can i make a regular user to mount /dev/sdb1? |
| 09:43.38 | wols | if I have flaky power I'd use ext3 any day over ext2 |
| 09:43.55 | mutante | dorel_: add "user" or even "users" as an option in /etc/fstab |
| 09:43.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, whats wrong with user experiances? |
| 09:44.03 | wols | dorel_: set the option "user" in /etc/fstab for sdb1 |
| 09:44.54 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: if they use a non journaled filesystem to prevent data loss with power outages over a jorunaled filesystems those users are not users but morons |
| 09:44.56 | dorel_ | i have it set |
| 09:44.59 | zamaliphe | any one have any idea about this errror |
| 09:45.02 | zamaliphe | found `diversion of /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock to /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock.o |
| 09:45.12 | dorel_ | like this: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb vfat rw,user 0 0 |
| 09:45.26 | dorel_ | im getting "must be superuser to use mount" |
| 09:45.32 | ootput | hi guys, i'm experiencing some pecularities while sshing to another machine: every so often, while i'm working in a shell (ssh'd) i'd see xset: unable to open display ":0" |
| 09:45.35 | dorel_ | i added my user to /usr/mount group |
| 09:45.35 | cahoot | dorel_: try /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 09:45.40 | ootput | besides entries in my remote dir's .xinitrc, there's no mention of it elsewhere |
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| 09:45.46 | ootput | likewise on my local machine, xset doesn't appear anywhere besides my .xinitrc |
| 09:46.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, yes but for some reason all the gentoo manuals ive read all did /boot on ext2 :S, btw is reiserfs and journaling file system then? |
| 09:46.23 | wols | yes it is |
| 09:46.32 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: I didn't say ext2 was bad. I just asked about it |
| 09:46.37 | goa | i mean i cant select a higher resolution on the monitor pannel control under |
| 09:47.06 | goa | it remains 80x600 even if i reconfugred xserver |
| 09:47.10 | zamaliphe | pleasses help me |
| 09:47.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | great, so its ok to use the reiserfs, but there was some reason to use ext2 over ext3 on /boot, and ill find it :P |
| 09:47.16 | mutante | dorel_: so its not the mount command itself giving you errors, but something else tells you you are not allowed to use the mount command? |
| 09:47.23 | wols | goa: which x driver do you use? |
| 09:47.26 | zamaliphe | #flood Removing kdebluetooth ... |
| 09:47.27 | zamaliphe | dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to |
| 09:47.27 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.27 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:47.40 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: cahoot already answered why |
| 09:47.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | ill read back, moment |
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| 09:48.54 | zamaliphe | pleasses help me |
| 09:49.04 | mutante | he said "waste of space", DJ-Marcuzz |
| 09:49.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok |
| 09:49.39 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:49.40 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:49.41 | POVaddct | zamaliphe: you installed knoppix. knoppix is NOT debian, so ask in #knoppix. |
| 09:49.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | well then ere trough ;) |
| 09:49.52 | goa | wols: i dont know what u mean by X driver |
| 09:50.03 | goa | i just downloaed s-wiondow-system |
| 09:50.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols: Flewellyn ] DJ-Marcuzz: /boot does not change very often. Journalling would be silly. |
| 09:50.17 | goa | it is the latest version |
| 09:50.18 | wols | goa: you had to set a x driver for your radeon card |
| 09:50.35 | goa | yes |
| 09:50.40 | goa | i told it "ati" |
| 09:50.52 | goa | how |
| 09:50.56 | wols | ah. and how much vram did you say you have? |
| 09:50.56 | goa | to set a driver? |
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| 09:51.14 | goa | how to set a x driveer for my card? |
| 09:51.19 | mutante | whenever i join any linux related channel,there seems to be somebody having trouble with ATI drivers |
| 09:51.25 | goa | i leave it empty |
| 09:51.57 | zamaliphe | POVaddct, but i use dibian unstable and i was traying to install xorg 7 so any help |
| 09:52.03 | wols | you need to set it to ati. and later maybe even install the closed source driver from ati |
| 09:52.29 | goa | umh |
| 09:52.36 | goa | i already set it to "ATI" |
| 09:52.38 | wols | mutante: he has trouble with VESA/plain VGA. not ati :) |
| 09:52.48 | wols | goa: that's fine then |
| 09:52.51 | POVaddct | zamaliphe: no. according to the messages you pasted here, you use an installed knoppix. and that is NOT debian unstable. |
| 09:52.57 | goa | i want a resolution of 1024 |
| 09:53.02 | goa | not 800 |
| 09:53.07 | goa | how to change it? |
| 09:53.18 | goa | i told u,that i already reconfigure serverx |
| 09:53.41 | goa | i configured it with a resolution of 1024 |
| 09:53.44 | wols | and how much vram did you say you have? |
| 09:53.56 | wols | and did you remove the star inside the 800x600? |
| 09:53.56 | goa | but then on the pannel controll |
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| 09:54.07 | goa | how to remove it? |
| 09:54.18 | zamaliphe | POVaddct, so no help evin if i use apt-get |
| 09:54.19 | POVaddct | wols: maybe the vesa bios is shitty, so it reserves only 1024kb for the card |
| 09:54.40 | goa | how to remove that star? |
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| 09:54.49 | mutante | space ? |
| 09:54.50 | wols | zamaliphe: with knoppix problems, ask #knoppix |
| 09:55.10 | goa | let me reconfigure xserver |
| 09:55.13 | goa | ok? |
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| 09:55.14 | goa | :) |
| 09:55.21 | D_U | hello |
| 09:55.25 | mutante | or edit the file with a texteditor, goa |
| 09:55.33 | goa | which file? |
| 09:55.38 | goa | i am a noob |
| 09:55.46 | goa | i never used linux before |
| 09:55.47 | goa | lol |
| 09:55.49 | mutante | config file of the X server |
| 09:56.00 | goa | where is it located? |
| 09:56.02 | mutante | dont ask me for the exact path now..it depends |
| 09:56.05 | mutante | heh |
| 09:56.07 | goa | lol |
| 09:56.09 | goa | :( |
| 09:56.13 | goa | mutante: italiano? |
| 09:56.20 | mutante | no,scusi |
| 09:56.25 | goa | sorry |
| 09:56.30 | goa | i thought because of ur name |
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| 09:56.43 | POVaddct | goa: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf it depends. |
| 09:56.43 | D_U | look what i get: |
| 09:56.44 | mutante | i am used to it, normally they think spanish;) |
| 09:56.46 | D_U | dimitar@debian:~$ su |
| 09:56.46 | D_U | Password: |
| 09:56.46 | D_U | No shell |
| 09:57.02 | goa | O_O |
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| 09:57.24 | mutante | goa: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/XF86Config.5.html on of these |
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| 09:58.20 | goa | thank mutante |
| 09:58.21 | mutante | D_U: check /etc/passwd and see what root has defined as shell |
| 09:58.23 | goa | by the way |
| 09:58.30 | goa | i just installed mozilla-firefox |
| 09:58.34 | goa | look what it says |
| 09:58.34 | goa | ost64-246:/home/goa# mozilla-firefox |
| 09:58.34 | goa | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 09:58.35 | goa | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
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| 09:58.54 | mutante | goodtod: you are not the same user that logged into the X session |
| 09:58.59 | POVaddct | .oO(deppen online...) |
| 09:59.03 | mutante | oops, goa: |
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| 09:59.35 | goa | lol |
| 09:59.43 | jesperj | I am using testing and I just tried superkaramba. All widgets have a black background where I guess it should be transparent |
| 09:59.48 | mutante | goa: login to the X sessions as regular user and also start firefox as regular user, dont be root |
| 10:00.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | can i place the / on an logical parition?` |
| 10:00.16 | mutante | goa: its because you were not the same user that logged in when starting it |
| 10:00.21 | POVaddct | DJ-Marcuzz: yes |
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| 10:00.46 | POVaddct | DJ-Marcuzz: i fact, a linux system doesn't need primary partitions at all |
| 10:01.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | POVaddct, you shure? last time i did that my system wouldn't boot, it hung at loading file system or so |
| 10:01.37 | jesperj | anyone know the reason/sollution? |
| 10:02.28 | POVaddct | DJ-Marcuzz: i am sure. maybe you tried booting files off the 1024 cylinder limit on an old machine. |
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| 10:02.49 | goa | mutante: yes it works i was logged with root passowrd |
| 10:02.55 | goa | thats why it didnt work |
| 10:03.46 | mutante | always login to X as non-root, if you need it to install things open another xterm and "su" there |
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| 10:04.04 | D_U | mutante, 10x here it is: root:x:0:0:root:/root:ls |
| 10:04.10 | Kyley | hmmm if I run PPPd and assign a incoming call an IP address on my LAN segment, do I need any gatewaying or other fancy stuff? |
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| 10:04.33 | D_U | what should i add to /etc/passwd |
| 10:04.34 | D_U | ? |
| 10:04.48 | goa | yeah yeah i was in shell with SU |
| 10:04.51 | zamaliphe | POVaddct, how to force apt to remove that pakeg any way |
| 10:04.52 | mutante | D_U: you probably want /bin/bash where it says "ls" now |
| 10:05.00 | D_U | okay |
| 10:05.02 | tarzeau | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/simpledb/simpledb_1.5-1/changelog |
| 10:05.08 | tarzeau | changelog entries of the future suck+ |
| 10:05.18 | goa | i want a resokution of 1024!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:05.23 | goa | damn it |
| 10:05.24 | goa | :) |
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| 10:05.35 | D_U | so how do I get into singleuser mode in debian? |
| 10:05.43 | tarzeau | D_U: linux? |
| 10:05.56 | D_U | what about it? |
| 10:06.08 | tarzeau | D_U: debian gnu/linux? |
| 10:06.11 | D_U | yeah |
| 10:06.15 | D_U | init1 |
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| 10:06.33 | D_U | i need to get to init 1 so I can edit that file |
| 10:06.37 | jesperj | !superkaramba |
| 10:06.43 | tarzeau | D_U: which file? |
| 10:06.50 | D_U | /etc/passwd |
| 10:07.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | hhmm, how big is your /var? (with all the logs and stuff) |
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| 10:08.16 | D_U | in fedora i just changed init=5 into init 1 in grub |
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| 10:12.10 | ramiro | help |
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| 10:12.39 | POVaddct | zamaliphe: you must use dpkg for that. but be warned, dpkg --force-all --remove ... is a bad idea |
| 10:12.51 | mutante | D_U: you can type "init 1" or "init S" on the shell, i think |
| 10:13.32 | ramiro | quit |
| 10:13.40 | POVaddct | omg it's sunday... |
| 10:14.20 | ramiro | :quit |
| 10:14.27 | POVaddct | ramiro: /quit |
| 10:14.28 | D_U | in which shell? |
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| 10:15.08 | D_U | mutante, so it will work if i enter this in my non root shell in a virtual console? |
| 10:15.12 | streuner_ | !sunday |
| 10:15.13 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 10:15.17 | mutante | D_U: i think so |
| 10:15.19 | ramiro | thanks, sorry. |
| 10:15.31 | D_U | thanks, ill try that. |
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| 10:15.57 | mutante | D_U: or the same way you did it on Fedora, i dont see why it would be different for init 1, afaik Debian just handles 3 and 5 different |
| 10:16.25 | Braindead | nope |
| 10:16.36 | Braindead | from 2 to 5 they're all equal |
| 10:17.05 | Braindead | anyway "single" as a boot parameter should do the job. or just pop in your preferred live cd,mount the partition,edit whatever you need |
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| 10:18.13 | jesperj | I am using testing and I just tried superkaramba. All widgets have a black background where I guess it should be transparent. any ideas? |
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| 10:19.26 | mutante | D_U: or you can also try "telinit 1" |
| 10:20.16 | mutante | notice "cannot be done when other users are logged on" |
| 10:20.44 | ext | hello. Anyone knows any installer makers? I want to make one (next->next->finish style) for my app. |
| 10:21.32 | Braindead | do a .deb. |
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| 10:24.44 | D_U | bash: init: command not found |
| 10:24.52 | D_U | this is what i get :-) |
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| 10:25.01 | POVaddct | D_U: try /sbin/init instead |
| 10:25.03 | krnl`- | i've got many threads, if in one trade i say sleep(X); all the threads sleeps. what can i do? |
| 10:25.10 | D_U | thanks |
| 10:25.11 | krnl`- | i need only that thread to pause |
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| 10:25.51 | D_U | i need to be superuser.. |
| 10:26.17 | D_U | so how do i start the system into single-user mode? |
| 10:26.50 | shaka | D_U: add "single" as a kernel parameter |
| 10:27.07 | D_U | and how do you that in debian? |
| 10:27.18 | D_U | press "e" and type that? |
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| 10:28.29 | filleokus | Hi! Can my wlan card be a wlan ap? |
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| 10:28.52 | filleokus | any wlan pros here? :D |
| 10:29.03 | POVaddct | filleokus: depends on the card |
| 10:29.47 | filleokus | ok |
| 10:29.57 | wols | filleokus: for a question like this, google is your best bet |
| 10:30.00 | filleokus | probably not then it is a old card |
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| 10:30.08 | wols | "apmode" maybe |
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| 10:30.20 | wols | old prism card have the bestest chance for ap mode |
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| 10:30.27 | wols | and those are really old cards |
| 10:30.40 | POVaddct | filleokus: atheros chipsets can do that (with the madwifi driver) |
| 10:30.54 | filleokus | ok |
| 10:31.02 | filleokus | i use the acx100 driver |
| 10:31.08 | filleokus | it is a Dlink 520+ |
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| 10:31.26 | POVaddct | filleokus: ah, the shitty texas instruments chip. cannot do ap. |
| 10:31.38 | filleokus | yeah |
| 10:31.41 | filleokus | nice |
| 10:31.42 | filleokus | :D |
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| 10:33.46 | Goaz | hi guys |
| 10:33.53 | Goaz | finally i solved the problem |
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| 10:34.07 | POVaddct | Goaz: so what was the problem? |
| 10:34.08 | Goaz | now i have a resultion of 1024x768 |
| 10:34.22 | Goaz | i have another question.how to installa the soundcard? |
| 10:34.27 | Goaz | i have an audify player |
| 10:34.29 | Goaz | audigy* |
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| 10:35.09 | Goaz | umh:) |
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| 10:36.10 | wols | !alsa-checklist |
| 10:36.10 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 10:40.13 | flosch | hi |
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| 10:43.51 | |radium| | hi guys, did you have install openoffice for amd64 but not with chroot 32 ? and if yes, how ? with which tutorial ? |
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| 10:46.03 | dorel_ | i have the following in fstab but i still cant u/mount it as a regular user: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 10:46.32 | POVaddct | dorel_: add "users" to the options |
| 10:46.47 | POVaddct | dorel_: add "user" to the options |
| 10:46.49 | msoos | Wooooow guys! I installed testing on an IBM R40 and it works *perfectly*. It does everything from mounting DVD when inserted up until cpu throttling, suspending, hibernating, touchpad(+red IBM button) control, everything! Woooow |
| 10:47.02 | POVaddct | dorel_: "user" without the s |
| 10:47.13 | msoos | I had to compile a 2.6.16 for it, but still!! |
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| 10:49.15 | pinky_ | Everytime I restart my sound is all the way down, and I have to rerun alsamixer to turn it back up (along with my center and left/right surround channels). |
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| 10:49.37 | pinky_ | How do I make the volume settings stay the same even if I restart? |
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| 10:49.59 | cahoot | pinky_: install alsa-utils |
| 10:50.01 | msoos | pinky_, use "man alsactl |
| 10:50.03 | msoos | " |
| 10:50.17 | msoos | yeah, and install alsa-utils |
| 10:50.19 | msoos | :) |
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| 10:51.02 | pinky_ | Hmm, it says if I install alsa-utils I also have to *uninstall* "gnome-desktop-environment" and "gnome-volume-manager" |
| 10:51.05 | |radium| | alsaconfig |
| 10:51.18 | pinky_ | "hal" and "udev" will also be removed... |
| 10:51.43 | pinky_ | Is that, umm... I'd rather not uninstall GNOME |
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| 10:51.46 | cahoot | pinky_: you run sid or what? |
| 10:51.47 | Lacsi | hi. |
| 10:52.04 | pinky_ | cahoot: No, I have sarge updated from Backports.org |
| 10:52.31 | Lacsi | one of my drives is failing with "kernel: hda: DMA timeout error". how could i disconnect it from debian? (phisically removing the drive is not an option atm). hdparm -U /dev/driveId seems to do nothing :/ |
| 10:53.02 | msoos | pinky_, well that is strange, since I have alsa-tools installed, and I have udev, etc... |
| 10:53.11 | msoos | pinky_, do an "apt-get update" |
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| 10:56.26 | wols | Lacsi: unmount it. run very extensive smartmontools tests on it |
| 10:56.48 | Lacsi | wols: it's unmounted, but my systems freezes wthen it tries to look it up |
| 10:56.55 | Lacsi | the whole system hangs |
| 10:57.03 | wols | why does it look it up in the first place? |
| 10:57.11 | Lacsi | so i want to tell debian not even try to do anything with it |
| 10:57.18 | wols | but yes, hdparm can do it. dunno the proper command tho |
| 10:57.36 | msoos | Lacsi, lehet, hogy le kéne kapcsolnod a DMA-t a cuccon |
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| 10:58.29 | Lacsi | msoos: gondolod segitene? az a gond hogy ha eszebe jut debiannak es ranez (ami elofordulhat mert bar raidben ez egy faulty disc, de errol bootolt a rendszer..) |
| 10:58.50 | wols | it's a great language you two are speaking but the wrong one for #debian |
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| 10:58.52 | Lacsi | szal akkor az egesz elszall |
| 10:58.56 | msoos | wols, sorry |
| 10:58.58 | Lacsi | wols: right. im sorry |
| 10:59.11 | wols | no prob. create debian-hu :) |
| 10:59.25 | Lacsi | so we tried to discuss if simply turning off DMA could help.. |
| 10:59.27 | Noboru | i was read linux book this afternoon, nice |
| 10:59.33 | Noboru | reading* |
| 11:00.05 | pinky_ | msoos: I think I've found the problem. My "alsa-base" is at 1.0.10, but the only version of alsa-utils APT can find is 1.0.8 |
| 11:00.05 | Lacsi | wols: -U seems to be the 'proper command' it just doesn't do anything ;) |
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| 11:00.17 | wols | you can turn it off with hdparm too |
| 11:00.33 | dorel_ | has anyone ever done motion detection with a webcam? |
| 11:00.33 | Lacsi | wols: hdparm -U i meant :) |
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| 11:00.49 | wols | try hdparm -b |
| 11:00.51 | msoos | pinky_, then do this: apt get remove alsa-base , then apt-get installl alsa-base and then apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 11:01.04 | pinky_ | So keep them both at 1.0.8? |
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| 11:01.09 | msoos | pinky_, it probaby has something to do with messing up of testing & unstable |
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| 11:01.35 | msoos | pinky_, also, beware that UNSTABE is frequently broken. At the moment xserver-xorg is totally broken in it, for example |
| 11:01.39 | buck | I wish I hadn't lost my chicken |
| 11:01.41 | buck | it's such a bore |
| 11:01.42 | Lacsi | wols: :/ HDIO_SET_BUSSTATE failed: Operation not supported |
| 11:01.44 | pinky_ | msoos: I think what happened was I got 1.0.10 of alsa-base from backports.org without ever installing alsa-utils |
| 11:01.53 | liable | msoos: totally broken? |
| 11:02.02 | pinky_ | msoos: I'm not using unstable, I'm on sarge... |
| 11:02.19 | cornernote_ | hello, can anyone tell me how to setup ubuntu with a hostname that my windows PCs can see ? |
| 11:02.20 | msoos | liable, yes. Try to install it on a new install. It fails. It is actually in the buglist - a critical bug |
| 11:02.23 | cornernote_ | its setup on DHCP |
| 11:02.38 | msoos | pinky_, then edit your sources.list and then apt-get update, and then do what I said. It will work |
| 11:02.51 | Noboru | I have a question about linux which is maybe offence but i have to ask anyway |
| 11:02.58 | msoos | cornernote_, edit /etc/host |
| 11:03.01 | pinky_ | It's okay that "linux-sound-base" is going to be removed? |
| 11:03.04 | Noboru | offend* |
| 11:03.06 | msoos | or hostname |
| 11:03.11 | liable | msoos: yes i have had it break, but i wouldnt say its totally broken. and yes, i read the bts |
| 11:03.23 | cornernote_ | msoos - you mean edit that on all my computers on the network ? |
| 11:03.36 | cornernote_ | then when i remoot change it on all the computers ? |
| 11:03.41 | cornernote_ | *reboot |
| 11:04.02 | wols | cornernote_: ask #ubuntu. this is #debian |
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| 11:04.17 | cornernote_ | oh - sorry.. wrong channel |
| 11:04.18 | liable | cornernote_: erm, how about reading the topic and asking in #ubuntu |
| 11:04.29 | liable | meh, lose me! |
| 11:04.33 | liable | !lose me |
| 11:04.34 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 11:04.36 | cornernote_ | u guys act like theres a world of difference |
| 11:04.38 | msoos | cornernote_, no. Edit the file at /etc/hostname ad then restart. Then the hostname will be correct |
| 11:04.50 | cornernote_ | its just a linux question |
| 11:04.51 | cornernote_ | :) |
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| 11:05.50 | liable | cornernote_: well, when you ask, and we give the correct debian answer that works with debian packages, and it doesnt work with ubuntu, and someone wastes an hour and then abuses you because you didnt say so, then you may understand |
| 11:05.52 | cornernote_ | msoos: /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts are set |
| 11:05.58 | cornernote_ | and it stikk doesnt work |
| 11:06.02 | wols | cornernote_: don't go there please. just stop talking here and go to ubuntu |
| 11:06.09 | liable | !hostname |
| 11:06.10 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 11:06.17 | msoos | ohh... well, one sec |
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| 11:06.31 | cornernote_ | liable: sure - please give me the debian answer... |
| 11:06.46 | wols | cornernote_: you don't run debian so the debian answer is useless to you |
| 11:06.47 | liable | cornernote_: sure, you install debian, and i will |
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| 11:07.44 | cornernote_ | seriously... |
| 11:07.54 | cornernote_ | ok - i have a debian box with the same issue |
| 11:08.07 | cornernote_ | i just happened to want to solve it on my ubuntu box |
| 11:08.12 | pngwn | Luser |
| 11:08.19 | msoos | cornernote_, you need local hostname resolution on your LAN |
| 11:08.25 | wols | !badgersmite cornernote_ |
| 11:08.39 | wols | msoos: he needs to stop lying first |
| 11:08.43 | cornernote_ | ok - so i need a dns |
| 11:09.00 | liable | your boxes on the lan cant find it by hostname?? |
| 11:09.21 | liable | put it in there hosts file.. |
| 11:09.21 | cornernote_ | correct |
| 11:09.22 | msoos | come on, no distro wars. Ubuntu is not so far from debian after all... |
| 11:09.29 | liable | msoos: no |
| 11:09.36 | liable | wrong |
| 11:09.48 | pngwn | msoos, it's off topioc in #debian |
| 11:09.52 | cornernote_ | but with my windows box i dont need dns and they can see each other by hostname... all i do is set a hostname |
| 11:09.56 | pngwn | topic too |
| 11:09.58 | msoos | liable, OK, then if it is far, how far is Windows? |
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| 11:10.18 | pngwn | msoos, windows is off topic too |
| 11:10.19 | msoos | cornernote_, have a look at "named" |
| 11:10.22 | liable | cornernote_: put the box's hostname in its hosts file |
| 11:10.30 | cornernote_ | i dont want a local dns server |
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| 11:10.38 | liable | msoos: irrelevent |
| 11:10.56 | liable | just put it in the damn host files on the boxes in the lan~! |
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| 11:11.04 | cornernote_ | liable: the /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname has the boxes name |
| 11:11.08 | cornernote_ | it can see itself |
| 11:11.13 | cornernote_ | other boxes cannot see it |
| 11:11.13 | liable | and yes, win boxen have a host file |
| 11:11.15 | wols | cornernote_: windows has a stupid SMB to DNS translation service which is why |
| 11:11.39 | cornernote_ | ok - great - how do i get a stupid SMB to DNS on linux |
| 11:11.40 | cornernote_ | :) |
| 11:11.44 | liable | cornernote_: the *other* boxes.... |
| 11:11.45 | wols | cornernote_: go away to ubuntu please |
| 11:12.02 | msoos | it works :) |
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| 11:12.22 | liable | msoos: you use ubuntu too? |
| 11:12.29 | cornernote_ | wols: you are so helpful.. its a wonder more people dont start using linux with great people like yourself |
| 11:12.44 | POVaddct_ | cornernote_: no smb. edit c:\windows\system32\hosts (or whereever the file resides) |
| 11:12.53 | msoos | liable, I use debian, don't worry. I have been using for 7 years now. Debian is here to stay :D |
| 11:12.53 | wols | cornernote_: if it's all people who are too dumb to choose the proper chanel, then good riddance to them |
| 11:12.57 | wols | but then it's sunday |
| 11:12.58 | wols | !sunday |
| 11:12.59 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 11:13.01 | liable | cornernote_: ffs, you dont use debian, dont start giving shit to people that tell you shouldnt be here in the first place |
| 11:13.08 | cornernote_ | the linux box is on DHCP.. i dont want to give it a static |
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| 11:13.28 | wols | cornernote_: I give you a hint since I feel helpful: dnsmasq |
| 11:13.29 | msoos | !start a distro war |
| 11:13.29 | dpkg | Xandros rox0rz! |
| 11:13.31 | cornernote_ | why cant i be here ? i DO use debian, just not on this box |
| 11:13.38 | wols | no you don't |
| 11:13.44 | cornernote_ | but its the same issue on any linux |
| 11:13.46 | wols | and you have an ubuntu problem |
| 11:14.09 | wols | and we have 5 trolls per day who suddenly say "I use debian" after they are told we don't solve ubuntu problems |
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| 11:14.14 | liable | cornernote_: why are yopu here? go to #ubuntu. we dont care if you supposedly use debian. #ubuntu is where you get help for ubuntu |
| 11:14.29 | wols | then go to #linux. we only solve debian problems |
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| 11:14.35 | cornernote_ | i want help with linux |
| 11:14.41 | cornernote_ | debian is still linux right ? |
| 11:14.45 | wols | then go to #linux |
| 11:14.49 | msoos | wols, well, I personally support ubuntu. It's for the newbies, and that is an important segment |
| 11:14.55 | wols | we help people with debian problems |
| 11:14.57 | cafuego | cornernote_: Set up dhcp to hand out the same IP to each MAC address all the time. |
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| 11:15.10 | xerophyte | If i understood correctly if i wanna setup small business envoriment with file server + printer server i need samba on the linux server .. is there any other way to setup ?? |
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| 11:15.11 | wols | msoos: then you are in the wrong place. go to #ubuntu too |
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| 11:15.27 | cornernote_ | cafeugo: the box will be deployed where i dont have any control over the network |
| 11:15.35 | wols | xerophyte: you can use nfs and IPP. but believe me, samba is the easier way |
| 11:15.44 | cornernote_ | but i do appriciate suggestions... thanks :) |
| 11:16.05 | msoos | cornernote_, we already gave you instructions. Now please leave. You seem to be upsetting people. |
| 11:16.49 | cornernote_ | ok.. so theres is no way to do it without a DNS or editing the hosts files or configuring the router |
| 11:17.00 | cornernote_ | thankyou for the suggestions |
| 11:17.05 | cornernote_ | i didnt mean to upset anyone |
| 11:17.33 | liable | xerophyte: you can serve the printer with cups and have nfs but samba may be easier |
| 11:18.06 | xerophyte | liable, thx |
| 11:18.39 | liable | cafuego: but it all honesty, why should we have to ignore people that shouldnt be asking here anyway |
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| 11:19.23 | cafuego | liable: Seems more effective than flaming them. |
| 11:20.07 | pngwn | wtf is wrong with following the rules and staying on topic? |
| 11:20.16 | liable | cafuego: well, whats so hard about asking in the actuall channel for your distro? if i went to #gentoo and asked about debian, how long do you think i would last? |
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| 11:20.21 | wols | cafuego: I hate ignore. you only get half of the conversation |
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| 11:20.34 | wols | and then I wonder why you suddenly speak about dhcp and things like that |
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| 11:22.25 | abrotman | i blame the kangaroos! |
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| 11:22.42 | gnufan | CUPS -- printer use to work -- says not accepting jobs since Jan 01 00:00.... in Unstable... Can I "enable" it like the old lp commands? |
| 11:22.44 | abrotman | chief? |
| 11:22.48 | cafuego | chef |
| 11:22.53 | cornernote_ | i dont see why i cant ask something that there is obviously no difference between debian and ubuntu in here... if i didnt mention a distro then you probably would have helped |
| 11:22.58 | cafuego | like a cook that doesn't have to do dishes |
| 11:23.04 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 11:23.15 | abrotman | cornernote_: we told you last night .. go to #ubuntu |
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| 11:23.23 | cafuego | cornernote_: Take that second half as advice for next time ;-) |
| 11:23.26 | abrotman | so you obviuosly knew it was wrong |
| 11:23.27 | wols | a reapeat offender then |
| 11:23.40 | abrotman | yes .. he came in here last night .. i think it was a dual screen problem |
| 11:23.50 | abrotman | and he apparently did actually go to #ubuntu, because he left here |
| 11:23.58 | cornernote_ | last night i didnt know there was an ubuntu |
| 11:24.08 | cornernote_ | today i accidently clicked the wrong channel |
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| 11:24.14 | cornernote_ | i never lied |
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| 11:24.39 | cornernote_ | i just dont see why you have to be such tight arses about helping |
| 11:24.49 | oldman_ | (is "go to #ubuntu" debianian for "go to hell"? [wink]) |
| 11:24.58 | liable | abrotman: the kangaroos didnt have anything to do with it! |
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| 11:25.04 | liable | !fable |
| 11:25.05 | dpkg | it has been said that fable is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 11:25.10 | abrotman | cornernote_: because Ubuntu is NOT Debian ... would you ask #Suse for help with Mandriva? |
| 11:25.12 | wols | cafuego: you aren't asking questions. you answer them :P |
| 11:25.26 | cafuego | wols: yeah, but on the wrong channel! ;-) |
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| 11:25.47 | wols | heck I use windows, and I'm still here |
| 11:25.51 | cornernote_ | no - but a simple SMB or hosts issue or something is not really specific to distros |
| 11:26.04 | abrotman | cornernote_: so you could ask #samba then ... |
| 11:26.11 | wols | reminds me: why does my windows want to install some pnp stuff and fails everytime I boot? :P |
| 11:26.12 | abrotman | assuming SMB is samba |
| 11:26.15 | liable | how do you know ubuntu doesnt do some sort of samba magic? |
| 11:26.22 | cornernote_ | well i could, if i knew that was the solution |
| 11:26.49 | abrotman | it's better than asking the people that have NOT packaged your samba package and weren't the ones who possibly applied distro specific patches |
| 11:26.50 | liable | cause i know it doeant work out of the box with dbian.. |
| 11:26.59 | cornernote_ | samba isnt even installed |
| 11:27.16 | cornernote_ | i dont even know if thats the soloution because you guys would rather flame me than help me |
| 11:27.28 | cafuego | wols: design flaw |
| 11:27.30 | abrotman | then go somewhere you'll get help .. like #ubuntu |
| 11:27.36 | cornernote_ | lol |
| 11:27.48 | wols | cafuego: you have a point there... |
| 11:27.50 | abrotman | ah ... if only it were funny |
| 11:27.53 | liable | cornernote_: so, take the hint, and ask in ubuntu, cafuego is there, and i'm sure he'll be glad to help :) |
| 11:28.04 | cornernote_ | like i said... its a wonder why more people dont start using linux |
| 11:28.15 | cornernote_ | i dont care any more |
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| 11:28.22 | Guard][an | hello |
| 11:28.26 | cornernote_ | i'd rather just stay here until i get ignored |
| 11:28.30 | cornernote_ | or booted |
| 11:28.31 | abrotman | or banned |
| 11:28.38 | cornernote_ | yeah - something |
| 11:29.01 | liable | thats a great attitude |
| 11:29.02 | abrotman | cornernote_: so you're going to stay here and ask ubuntu questions until you get banned? |
| 11:29.05 | cornernote_ | banned for being in #debian when i have an ubuntu distro in my posession |
| 11:29.23 | liable | cornernote_: read the topic dude. |
| 11:29.33 | Guard][an | i'm developping an application, i would like to use gconf and populate default settings as part of the installation process instead of hardcoding. could please someone explain me how to achieve that,so that the debian package i'll provide contains default settings for my application ??? |
| 11:29.46 | abrotman | cornernote_: did i get that right? .. you'd rather ask us ubuntu questions than ask #ubuntu, even though you risk getting banned? |
| 11:29.59 | cornernote_ | omg - if i want to use debian i will, if i want to use ubuntu i will... this problem happens on either |
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| 11:30.25 | streuner_ | haha |
| 11:30.26 | cornernote_ | so you want me to setup a debian box, so then you will help me fix it, then i can apply the same fix to my ubuntu box |
| 11:30.37 | abrotman | that's fine .. lurk here all you want .. but don't ask Ubuntu questions in #debian |
| 11:30.43 | liable | no, we just want you to go away |
| 11:30.45 | cornernote_ | i didnt |
| 11:30.51 | cornernote_ | i asked a linux question |
| 11:31.01 | abrotman | cornernote_: THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT ... a fix for your debian box might not work in ubuntu .. don't you get it? |
| 11:31.09 | streuner_ | cornernote_: you are in #debian *NOT* #linux |
| 11:31.15 | cornernote_ | i just specified the name of my distro, because i thought i was in #ubuntu cos i clicked the wrong channel |
| 11:31.24 | liable | cornernote_: why the hell dont you ask in #ubuntu? why cant you get that into your head? |
| 11:31.25 | cornernote_ | so debian isnt linux ? |
| 11:31.34 | streuner_ | no |
| 11:31.36 | abrotman | Debian is also BSD and Hurd and Linux |
| 11:31.48 | streuner_ | Linux is a kernel, debian is a distro |
| 11:31.50 | abrotman | (and some noise about being Solaris .. if that ever happens) |
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| 11:32.13 | abrotman | cafuego: ever had a hurtz donut? |
| 11:32.17 | cornernote_ | its ALSO.. which means it is linux... and some other stuff |
| 11:32.20 | cafuego | abrotman: please don't use the H word in polite company ;-) |
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| 11:32.30 | azeem | cornernote_: linux is just a Unix-like kernel |
| 11:32.32 | abrotman | cafuego: hurtz or hurd? |
| 11:32.49 | asg | abrotman: those words summon tarzeau you know |
| 11:32.50 | cornernote_ | great.. and i dont have kernal problems |
| 11:32.57 | azeem | cornernote_: so if you have specific kernel programming questions, they are independent of the distribution probably |
| 11:32.57 | cornernote_ | so i should be here |
| 11:33.00 | asg | you have spelling problems |
| 11:33.13 | streuner_ | cornernote_: that makes the probleme even more more complicate |
| 11:33.13 | cornernote_ | yes - i am aware of my spelling issues |
| 11:33.15 | liable | asg: can you please quiten him? |
| 11:33.16 | abrotman | cornernote_: no .. your distro is Ubuntu .. please ask #ubuntu |
| 11:33.20 | liable | err |
| 11:33.21 | tarzeau | you have called for me? |
| 11:33.25 | asg | hehe |
| 11:33.29 | liable | azeem: ^^ quiten |
| 11:33.30 | asg | liable: what question did he ask? |
| 11:33.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. noone wants you |
| 11:33.36 | wols | asg: openstep summons him I think |
| 11:33.36 | azeem | cornernote_: everything else might be widely different between the various distributions, and methods which work on Debian might not work on Ubuntu or RedHat |
| 11:33.40 | cornernote_ | ok - and if i install denian and have the same issue ? |
| 11:33.40 | asg | wols: and Hurd |
| 11:33.46 | cornernote_ | do you mind if i ask here ? |
| 11:33.46 | tarzeau | and gnu/kfreebsd |
| 11:33.48 | azeem | liable: quiten? |
| 11:33.57 | liable | asg: bad nicktab, sorry |
| 11:33.57 | wols | openstep on hurd? |
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| 11:34.01 | cornernote_ | *debian |
| 11:34.01 | asg | liable: no worries |
| 11:34.02 | abrotman | cornernote_: of course not, but if you lie to us .. it will be death for you! |
| 11:34.03 | azeem | cornernote_: no, then please ask |
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| 11:34.12 | liable | azeem: yeah i cant spell... make him shut up :) |
| 11:34.17 | abrotman | cornernote_: but right now .. you're running ubuntu .. so go to #ubuntu |
| 11:34.35 | azeem | liable: we're currently doing that :) |
| 11:35.04 | cornernote_ | ok - i dont want help on this right now from you... but can you see that this issue would be exactly the same on either ? |
| 11:35.15 | azeem | cornernote_: the people in here do end-user support in their free time, for nothing. So they prefer to help Debian users rather than speculate on how things are done on Ubuntu, while there is #ubuntu to help those |
| 11:35.28 | abrotman | cornernote_: it may or may not ... we don't know . you're not running debian |
| 11:35.45 | cornernote_ | ok azeem - i appriciate that.. sorry to be a pain |
| 11:35.59 | abrotman | !prize azeem |
| 11:36.04 | streuner_ | !azeem++ |
| 11:36.04 | abrotman | NOT FAIR! |
| 11:36.08 | asg | !qotd161 |
| 11:36.08 | dpkg | i guess qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 11:37.39 | abrotman | maybe that should have a URL to a recording of asg actually singing |
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| 11:37.47 | asg | abrotman: that would be horrid |
| 11:37.54 | abrotman | but funny |
| 11:38.43 | abrotman | or a video ... with strobe lights .. and pyrotechnics! |
| 11:38.55 | wols | abrotman scares me |
| 11:39.20 | sussudio | !scare abrotman |
| 11:39.24 | wols | explains why you're such a nutcase: panical fear |
| 11:39.30 | sussudio | :-| |
| 11:39.45 | noid | how do i get my debian to ask me if i want to set the hardware clock local time or GMT? |
| 11:39.47 | abrotman | wols: i'm not a nutcase .. i'm just crazy |
| 11:39.47 | wols | no sussudio, you can't write a factoid now |
| 11:39.51 | sussudio | !bear wols |
| 11:39.55 | abrotman | noid: base-config |
| 11:39.58 | azeem | noid: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 11:40.02 | abrotman | or that |
| 11:40.07 | noid | ok thanks |
| 11:40.12 | wols | maybe I can find a warden who will shoot that grizzly |
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| 11:40.25 | abrotman | !shoot bear |
| 11:40.41 | wols | you're no warden. unless the inmate runs the asylum now :) |
| 11:40.48 | wols | but then it's sunday, so I guess yes |
| 11:40.48 | azeem | hrm /me read Germand Lager |
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| 11:41.27 | Octavian | gug |
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| 11:41.53 | asg | azeem: some German lagers can be potent |
| 11:42.01 | Octavian | can someone tell me the status of the libhowl packages? I cant find them anymore... |
| 11:42.12 | azeem | Octavian: they got removed, AFAIK |
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| 11:42.20 | azeem | Octavian: use the avahi stuff instead |
| 11:42.23 | Octavian | azeem: is there a licensing issue? |
| 11:42.29 | azeem | Octavian: yes |
| 11:42.35 | Octavian | hmm.. |
| 11:42.39 | azeem | plus avahi rocks harder |
| 11:43.05 | xerophyte | with apt-cache search how can i only search apple not applet ?? |
| 11:43.09 | nomadic | hello, I'm trying to install xserver-xorg, but I'm getting "package failed to preconfigure" exit status 10. Does anyone know what the problem is and how I can fix it? |
| 11:43.20 | abrotman | azeem: is there a list of removed packages somewhere? |
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| 11:43.32 | streuner_ | asg: heh? |
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| 11:43.48 | azeem | abrotman: I think so |
| 11:43.56 | azeem | but I don't know the exact location |
| 11:43.59 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 11:44.02 | azeem | some ftp-master log or so |
| 11:44.05 | azeem | jvw: ? |
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| 11:44.23 | asg | streuner_: sto? |
| 11:44.34 | abrotman | azeem: http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt |
| 11:44.40 | azeem | ah |
| 11:44.43 | azeem | jvw: nevermind |
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| 11:45.23 | abrotman | azeem: is that what you were thinking of? |
| 11:45.42 | antirez | Hello all, I've a debian box with pretty decent cpu and 1GB of memory. When I run a program needed to upgrade a big web site, that performs a lot of I/O the box becomes not usale for inteeractive users |
| 11:45.49 | abrotman | even worse .. |
| 11:45.51 | abrotman | !removed |
| 11:45.51 | dpkg | from memory, removed is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt |
| 11:46.36 | antirez | I'm running 2.6.11 kernel, is it worth to try to upgrade? |
| 11:46.37 | Eclipser | hum |
| 11:46.46 | Eclipser | !kernel policy |
| 11:47.03 | Eclipser | nothing? :o |
| 11:47.04 | wols | antirez: depends on your hardware imho |
| 11:47.07 | azeem | abrotman: yeah |
| 11:47.21 | streuner_ | asg: use a whole sentence, my chrystal-thing is in low state ;-) |
| 11:47.25 | Eclipser | uhm uhm |
| 11:47.30 | antirez | the hardware is very fast |
| 11:47.36 | asg | streuner_: nevermind, I was commenting on beer |
| 11:47.44 | liable | mmm |
| 11:47.45 | streuner_ | hm |
| 11:47.47 | antirez | also with top I can see that th eapplication si not doing such a big usage of CPU, it just writes files |
| 11:47.57 | antirez | may it be related to the legendary linux VM? |
| 11:47.59 | kroddn | antirez: sounds like ab problem i had some days ago |
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| 11:48.32 | kroddn | look at the modules that are loaded for hd-controller |
| 11:48.37 | antirez | yeah, BSD kernels tend to odn't have this problems |
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| 11:48.51 | wols | antirez: is your harddisk using BM-DMA? |
| 11:49.25 | kroddn | apt-get install hdparm; hdparm /dev/xxx |
| 11:49.32 | antirez | yep I know ;) |
| 11:49.35 | kroddn | :) |
| 11:49.52 | wols | check with dmesg |
| 11:49.54 | kroddn | on my system some f**** installer put the ide-generic driver in the /etc/modules |
| 11:50.04 | wols | it should say "BM-DMA" in there |
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| 11:50.21 | wols | for the harddisk(s) btw |
| 11:50.24 | Gnea | don't be afraid to say 'fucking' here |
| 11:50.30 | kroddn | ^^ |
| 11:50.33 | Eclipser | how do I remove _all_ of X? :) |
| 11:50.34 | Gnea | or 'fucking here' :) |
| 11:50.38 | kroddn | i ment foolish :) |
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| 11:50.53 | antirez | ok DMA enabled |
| 11:50.57 | liable | kroddn: and the problem is? |
| 11:51.06 | antirez | btw the application creating this problem is 'nget' |
| 11:51.08 | kroddn | i dont have a problem any more |
| 11:51.15 | bhony | guess what.. |
| 11:51.16 | antirez | gets newsgroups via NTP and put it into a MBOX file |
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| 11:51.29 | Gnea | antirez: so your box is choking on pr0n? |
| 11:51.31 | bhony | i flunked gmat.. |
| 11:51.36 | antirez | Gnea, not really ;) |
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| 11:52.10 | Gnea | antirez: so it's using more CPU than mem? |
| 11:52.46 | Eclipser | is there a quick way to remove all X stuff? :o |
| 11:52.56 | Gnea | antirez: renice it to a lower priority - man nice |
| 11:53.06 | antirez | Gnea, no it's using very little CPU and memory |
| 11:53.10 | Gnea | !tell Eclipser about repeat |
| 11:53.11 | antirez | just does a lot of I/O |
| 11:53.11 | liable | Eclipser: what are you actually wanting to do? |
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| 11:53.29 | antirez | this is why I think it's somewhat related to virutal memory |
| 11:53.30 | kroddn | maybe your ircq's are causing a problem? |
| 11:53.37 | sparklink | hi |
| 11:53.38 | Gnea | antirez: what's wrong with that? did you expect it to use a low amount of i/o? it's a usenet application ffs |
| 11:53.56 | antirez | Gnea, it's ok, I just expect to be able to use firefox while it's downloading news |
| 11:54.00 | Eclipser | liable, remove all crap and reinstall, also I'd like to get my opengl code to link correctly.. |
| 11:54.06 | antirez | kroddn, yep this also may be an issue |
| 11:54.09 | sparklink | i'm trying to install sarge on my pc but i've this problem: in this pc the optical drive is not connected in the seconday master of tha main boad but is connected to a controller ide pci (silicon image chipset is natively supported by kernel), i set as first boot device in bios SCSI then i reboot...but after reboot i obtain an error like ISOLINUX FAILED ETC...do you know how i can install ubuntu with my optical drive also if is not connected |
| 11:54.09 | Gnea | antirez: you have how much mem? |
| 11:54.16 | kroddn | on my media-nox i can't copy files from network to usb-stick. the machine is hanging than a lot. |
| 11:54.17 | antirez | Gnea, 1GB |
| 11:54.18 | Eclipser | Gnea, I rephrased my question :< |
| 11:54.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: any new software to package? |
| 11:54.25 | Gnea | antirez: expect the unexpected |
| 11:54.35 | Gnea | Eclipser: it's the same question. |
| 11:54.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: and why don't you package something? apply for nm! you don't have a webserver? |
| 11:54.53 | liable | Eclipser: what crap? why bother re-installing the whole lot? |
| 11:54.53 | Eclipser | Gnea, not :> |
| 11:54.57 | Gnea | Eclipser: how stupid do you think we are? |
| 11:55.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: numerous webservers |
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| 11:55.15 | antirez | ok I'll try to upgrade the kernel and join here again to report what the result is :) |
| 11:55.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's the urls? |
| 11:55.18 | antirez | thank you very much for your help |
| 11:55.23 | kroddn | wait |
| 11:55.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: they've been plastered all over planet.d.n |
| 11:55.34 | kroddn | look if the ide-generic is loaded |
| 11:55.36 | Gnea | Eclipser: are you running sarge or etch or sid? |
| 11:55.38 | Eclipser | etch |
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| 11:55.56 | Gnea | antirez: what kernel are you running, btw? |
| 11:55.58 | antirez | kroddn, not loaded, what is loaded is the driver specific for my controller |
| 11:55.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have to find something that isn't so complicated :) |
| 11:56.01 | Gnea | Eclipser: so... xorg? |
| 11:56.02 | antirez | Gnea, *very* old |
| 11:56.06 | Eclipser | Gnea, yes |
| 11:56.08 | antirez | 2.6.11.7 |
| 11:56.13 | kroddn | ^^ |
| 11:56.28 | kroddn | thats bronze-age :) |
| 11:56.39 | Eclipser | liable, well, if you can tell me why my opengl apps don't link correctly (compilation and linkage actually "work" fine (no errors/warnings)) but when I run the app it just gives me blank screen |
| 11:56.42 | antirez | yes :) |
| 11:56.44 | Gnea | antirez: your sarcasm is causing chasms to open in the earth. that on sid or etch? |
| 11:56.56 | antirez | testing |
| 11:57.02 | antirez | but I compile kernels myself |
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| 11:57.09 | Gnea | man... all you testing wh0res... :) |
| 11:57.12 | liable | Eclipser: well, no of course i cant.. |
| 11:57.16 | Eclipser | :) |
| 11:57.28 | antirez | hehe should I switch to unstable? |
| 11:57.28 | Eclipser | it's making my hair drop (and that's a loss :>) |
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| 11:57.43 | Gnea | antirez: that's cool... yeah, my experience with anything usenet-related has been memory intensive |
| 11:57.52 | abrotman | Gnea: maybe if the software you used was actually in debian ... |
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| 11:58.12 | wols | Eclipser: what does glinfo say? |
| 11:58.13 | antirez | I must admit I don't spend many time to tune/upgrade my system |
| 11:58.30 | antirez | maybe that's why I love debian, it does almost everything for me without help :) |
| 11:58.37 | Gnea | Eclipser: my suggestion would be to apt-cache show xserver-xorg | grep Depends and apt-get remove xserver-xorg and everything in that list... you may need to dig a bit deeper for all the libs |
| 11:58.40 | Eclipser | wols, you mean glxinfo |
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| 11:58.52 | wols | oops. yes |
| 11:59.02 | wols | or is it only with your self compiled stuff? |
| 11:59.11 | Eclipser | only with my self compiled stuff |
| 11:59.20 | Eclipser | everything else works fine, like stepmania and neverwinter nights |
| 11:59.29 | Gnea | i compile kernels every couple revisions, or if there's a major patch |
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| 12:00.44 | Eclipser | wols, http://www.saunalahti.fi/~jukka712/glxinfo.txt |
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| 12:02.03 | putri | hiii |
| 12:02.16 | asg | !tell antirez about away |
| 12:02.39 | wols | Eclipser: sorry. since precompiled stuff works it must be something else than the opengl install |
| 12:02.50 | putri | hiii |
| 12:02.51 | wols | Eclipser: I was wrong with my ASSumptions |
| 12:03.08 | dorel_ | i've installed the driver for my logitech quickcam express but i think that it cant bind to /dev/video* because i already have /dev/video0, video24 and video32 taken by my tv card.... any ideas? |
| 12:03.23 | Eclipser | wols, it's driving me mad! :p |
| 12:03.44 | Eclipser | I should probably reinstall all of etch (and windows (which is borked anyway so it needs reinstall)) just for the fun of it |
| 12:03.47 | Eclipser | again |
| 12:04.14 | wols | dorel_: how about /dev/video1 ? |
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| 12:04.38 | dorel_ | wols: nop, nothing. |
| 12:04.38 | wols | xerophyte: I doubt it would slove your problem |
| 12:04.41 | Eclipser | "As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. This page needs to be updated to reflect how testing users should get the drivers." |
| 12:04.44 | Eclipser | mmh |
| 12:05.15 | dorel_ | wols: im seeing on some webpages log files like kernel: usbvideo.c: ibmcam on /dev/video1: canvas=352x240 but i dont have this sort of logs. only more minimized information |
| 12:05.15 | bronze | kroddn: FYI bronze age started in 1956. |
| 12:05.19 | r_marvin | Eclipser: yes, that prompted me to upgrade to sid yesterday |
| 12:05.43 | dorel_ | wols: like "kernel: quickcam [ 4.034004]: struct quickcam size: 6352 kernel: usbcore: registered new driver quickcam" |
| 12:05.59 | Eclipser | r_marvin, mh |
| 12:06.15 | Eclipser | r_marvin, but last time I used sid I managed to break everything :> |
| 12:06.22 | r_marvin | yes, so don't |
| 12:06.43 | Eclipser | even topic warns about sid |
| 12:06.57 | Gnea | sid will own you |
| 12:07.01 | POVaddct_ | is http://84.179.111.93:29762/ accessible? |
| 12:07.01 | asg | !sid faq |
| 12:07.01 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 12:07.05 | r_marvin | instead, add unstable with lower prio and pin whatever nvidia wants from unstable |
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| 12:07.13 | tarzeau | POVaddct_: yes, thttpd |
| 12:07.20 | POVaddct_ | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 12:07.41 | Gnea | tarzeau: how's the fable comin' along? |
| 12:07.49 | Eclipser | r_marvin, last time I tried it was when potato was stable though :> |
| 12:07.52 | r_marvin | or screw it, go ahead with the nvidia-installer and redo it when testing is sane again |
| 12:07.56 | tarzeau | Gnea: what fable? |
| 12:08.00 | Gnea | tarzeau: you ever gonna get to robin hood? :P |
| 12:08.05 | POVaddct_ | tarzeau: i am testing htb class based traffic |
| 12:08.10 | tarzeau | Gnea: me a robin hood? |
| 12:08.17 | tarzeau | Gnea: you wanna bust some bank with me? |
| 12:08.20 | Gnea | tarzeau: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 12:08.25 | Gnea | lol |
| 12:08.28 | tarzeau | Gnea: greycats fable, it's nice :) |
| 12:08.35 | Gnea | oh ok :) |
| 12:08.42 | priscila | shall i delete the dell partition (with dell utility fs) in my dell laptop when i try to install debian on it? where can i install lilo or grub? at the mbr or in the root ? |
| 12:08.49 | Gnea | tarzeau: no, i'm robin hood, bitch, gimme all yer money! :D |
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| 12:09.02 | r_marvin | Eclipser: there are some nice howtos available on apt-pinning , sorry, i've only been around since right after woody released |
| 12:09.12 | tarzeau | Gnea: haha |
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| 12:09.58 | nuix | dorel_: the chipset of my tv card is Trident Tvmaster TM6000. Who make it work in linux box? |
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| 12:11.18 | liable | priscila: you normally put grub in the mbr unless you have some other boot loader |
| 12:11.24 | Gnea | priscila: hrm... i'd leave the partition there... |
| 12:11.27 | liable | !tell priscila about laptop |
| 12:11.43 | Gnea | priscila: and be sure to backup your mbr before installing grub |
| 12:11.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | damn, im getting frustrated, that debootsrap fails compleetly :@ |
| 12:11.47 | liable | priscila: go there and see what others have done withe the recovery bit |
| 12:11.55 | dorel_ | nuix: i got a pvr 150 hauppauge. its fully supported. |
| 12:11.58 | priscila | thanks |
| 12:12.16 | liable | priscila: i know for eg. that with stinkpads you can back up the windows shits to cd, then delete it. |
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| 12:12.47 | Gnea | ffs... shapes.h comes in a new dev package now |
| 12:12.57 | netfrog | !tell netfrog about laptop |
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| 12:13.29 | nuix | dorel_: I wonder whether there are compatible drivers for Trident Tvmaster TM6000 . |
| 12:14.00 | r_marvin | netfrog: you could just /msg dpkg laptop , it's more quiet ;) |
| 12:14.06 | Gnea | priscila: if it's not a large partition, you may want to back that up too |
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| 12:16.21 | plasmoduck | how can I setup dialup access on my box? |
| 12:16.30 | plasmoduck | so people can dialup to me for the internet? |
| 12:16.31 | efaistos | is there some backports packages of GNOME 2.12 or 2.14 for sarge ? |
| 12:16.36 | liable | to your box or from it? |
| 12:16.45 | liable | oh |
| 12:16.56 | plasmoduck | I want to make dialup accounts on my box |
| 12:17.02 | jeff_hann | plasmoduck:server or client? |
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| 12:17.03 | plasmoduck | so say you could dialup to me |
| 12:17.04 | jeff_hann | oh |
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| 12:17.10 | plasmoduck | server |
| 12:17.14 | plasmoduck | I want to be a dialup server |
| 12:17.33 | plasmoduck | is it hard? |
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| 12:17.50 | jeff_hann | no |
| 12:18.15 | jeff_hann | have you tried www.debian.org/docs ? |
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| 12:18.46 | plasmoduck | The requested URL /docs was not found on this server. |
| 12:18.49 | dearass | hi |
| 12:18.54 | jeff_hann | sorry |
| 12:19.35 | jeff_hann | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
| 12:20.01 | jeff_hann | it covers mostly all important aspects |
| 12:20.02 | kroddn | bronze: huch, did i hilight you? ^^ |
| 12:20.30 | jeff_hann | you want a DHCP server,i guess |
| 12:20.33 | dearass | is there any stuff that displays RSS news on desktop ?and with background transparency ? |
| 12:20.39 | kroddn | I'm glad that my nick is not part of any word :-) |
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| 12:21.15 | voltagex | I'm having problems getting my printer shared over smb in debian |
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| 12:22.14 | liable | voltagex: cant you just run it with ipp? |
| 12:22.23 | voltagex | my printer works in debian, and appears in Windows correctly, but I get a Permission Denied error while trying to get it to work |
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| 12:22.38 | voltagex | liable: yeah, which manpage tells me how to set that up? |
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| 12:22.56 | dearass | come on! |
| 12:23.00 | jeff_hann | voltagex:check the permissions on the printer |
| 12:23.17 | voltagex | jeff_hann: where, /dev/lp0? |
| 12:23.38 | jeff_hann | you run any display manager? |
| 12:23.45 | abrotman | kde/gnome? |
| 12:23.58 | robert83a1 | hello, I've succesfully built the 2.6.5 kernel on debian woody , it boots no problem, the thing is if I supply vga=788 for kernel line I get blank screen, this worked for original 2.4.x kernel, what did I forgot to compile in ? |
| 12:24.00 | jeff_hann | yupp |
| 12:24.09 | voltagex | jeff_hann: headless box that the printer is connected to |
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| 12:24.21 | bengrubb | Anyyone Know VHCS here ? |
| 12:24.25 | jeff_hann | headless? |
| 12:24.34 | voltagex | jeff_hann: the next question I have is X forwarding :) |
| 12:24.50 | voltagex | jeff_hann: no screen, I'm chatting to you via ssh into it |
| 12:24.55 | jeff_hann | oh |
| 12:25.03 | jeff_hann | man chmod |
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| 12:25.11 | jeff_hann | and yes,/dev/lp0 |
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| 12:25.29 | jeff_hann | if it's the first/only printer on the box |
| 12:25.37 | Xamusk | hello |
| 12:25.38 | abrotman | bengrubb: just ask |
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| 12:25.46 | abrotman | dearass: gnoem or kde? |
| 12:25.47 | abrotman | gnome |
| 12:25.48 | liable | voltagex: its just a few lines in cups.conf and then print to network printer with postscript. was easy for my box, though its debian to debian, but windows should be able to find it. |
| 12:25.51 | voltagex | jeff_hann: yep |
| 12:26.00 | Xamusk | does anyone know of a usable program to use voice commands? |
| 12:26.06 | voltagex | jeff_hann, liable, I gtg, thanks for the ideas |
| 12:26.13 | jeff_hann | anytime |
| 12:26.25 | voltagex | or one more thing, what should I chmod it to? |
| 12:26.35 | voltagex | /dev/lp0 that is |
| 12:27.01 | jeff_hann | that depends |
| 12:27.27 | jeff_hann | on who you want to have access to it |
| 12:27.32 | voltagex | jeff_hann: the box is networked, only has a few ports out to the interweb |
| 12:27.39 | voltagex | jeff_hann: anyone from windows on the LAN |
| 12:27.40 | liable | i wouldnt go changing /dev perms, usually noy needed. |
| 12:27.59 | voltagex | liable: yeah, I think I'll go the IPP route |
| 12:28.12 | jeff_hann | lynx http://localhost:631 |
| 12:28.21 | voltagex | http://www.linuxprinting.org/till/printing-tutorial/tut.html#1_4_1 |
| 12:28.31 | voltagex | ^^ that's the tut I'm using |
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| 12:29.20 | jeff_hann | http://www.cups.org/book/index.php |
| 12:29.54 | voltagex | uhh. what do I enter as the device URI in the cups admin? |
| 12:30.41 | bengrubb | abrotman: I did |
| 12:30.55 | jeff_hann | file:///dev/lp0 |
| 12:30.55 | abrotman | benderz0r: you asked if anyone knew vchs or whatever it was |
| 12:31.01 | bengrubb | i said does anyone know VHCS here |
| 12:31.05 | voltagex | ok |
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| 12:31.22 | abrotman | benderz0r: that is not asking ... |
| 12:31.23 | abrotman | !ask |
| 12:31.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:31.37 | voltagex | jeff_hann: thanks again, now I must gi |
| 12:31.42 | voltagex | go* |
| 12:31.43 | bengrubb | i thouhgt i was straight forward there :( |
| 12:31.44 | jeff_hann | n p |
| 12:31.45 | wols | !anyone |
| 12:31.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:31.47 | ILF | http://pastebin.com/690191 :(( any idea? |
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| 12:32.12 | bengrubb | I am having a problem with VHCS it wont add mail account in the GUI |
| 12:32.29 | abrotman | and #vhcs has no answer? |
| 12:32.40 | bengrubb | no one is hardlty ever on there |
| 12:32.44 | bengrubb | hardly* |
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| 12:32.48 | abrotman | but vhcs isn't even in debian |
| 12:33.05 | abrotman | bengrubb: any errors? |
| 12:33.05 | bengrubb | it can be installed as a debian package |
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| 12:33.19 | abrotman | not on my debian/testing box .. apt-cache vhcs returns nothing |
| 12:33.50 | bengrubb | in the GUI it says unknown status |
| 12:33.59 | bengrubb | yer they made the packages for debian |
| 12:34.05 | bengrubb | doesnt come with it |
| 12:34.28 | bengrubb | i think "they" stuffed the code abit |
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| 12:37.17 | abrotman | bengrubb: i meant a real log .. nto from the application itself |
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| 12:38.34 | robert83a1 | forgot the following line I think CONFIG_FB_VESA=y |
| 12:38.40 | robert83a1 | that is why vga=788 got me blank screen |
| 12:38.51 | robert83a1 | config_fb=y that is set...but probably need vesa |
| 12:38.54 | robert83a1 | right? |
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| 12:40.48 | Malagmyr | "Please sit back and relax while Windows 98 installs on your computer." |
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| 12:40.50 | Malagmyr | relax. |
| 12:41.03 | Malagmyr | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! |
| 12:41.23 | ericP | how do a play a .au file (freebox voicemail)? |
| 12:41.25 | jeff_hann | :-& |
| 12:41.46 | ericP | xmms appears to not work. aplay as well |
| 12:41.52 | asg | ericP: try sox |
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| 12:44.26 | plasmoduck_ | I want to make dialup accounts on my box, like a dialup server, what do I do? |
| 12:45.31 | jeff_hann | plasmoduck:have you read the docs? |
| 12:45.32 | abrotman | docs at TLDP.org |
| 12:45.32 | plasmoduck_ | The requested URL /docs was not found on this server. |
| 12:45.32 | plasmoduck_ | thats for debian.org/docs |
| 12:45.32 | jeff_hann | i copied the link from firefox...so it works |
| 12:45.44 | jeff_hann | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
| 12:46.02 | jeff_hann | just tried it |
| 12:46.17 | abrotman | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/ISP-Setup-RedHat-HOWTO.html .. while for redhat .. should give you somewhere to start |
| 12:46.22 | ericP | asg, thanks, sox worky. had to (apt-get, ) transcode to wav so xmms (and apparently not aplay) could play it |
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| 12:47.17 | jeff_hann | search in google for 'DHCP server' |
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| 12:48.30 | gentgeen__ | Can I make changes to my .Xdefault file apply without logging out? |
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| 12:49.06 | plasmoduck_ | hrmm |
| 12:49.10 | plasmoduck_ | looks hard |
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| 12:50.21 | stevietool | ifup eth* wireless failure: message: ipw2200: failed to send wep_key command |
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| 12:51.14 | asg | ericP: cool, you're welcome |
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| 12:54.03 | bengrubb | windows 98.... mmmmm |
| 12:54.15 | bengrubb | how bout 386 |
| 12:54.19 | bengrubb | did you ever park it? |
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| 12:56.56 | evaded | Hi guys, on a computer some informations are redirected to all the consoles. How can i do to redirect it only to one console or where i need to look? |
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| 12:57.44 | EmleyMoor | When I run fetchmail, I get smtp error 451 Please try again later - why? Is there something I could change to improve it? |
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| 12:57.59 | asg | evaded: man syslog.conf |
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| 12:58.13 | evaded | asg: Thanks, go to it :-) |
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| 13:01.04 | james___ | hey how do i change my machine name? |
| 13:01.10 | asg | james___: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 13:02.13 | interalia_ | hey does anyone know, when closing a bug in the BTS, should the Version: pseudo-header be the version that fixes it, or the one before that? |
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| 13:05.35 | cahoot | gentgeen__: try xrbd -merge .Xdefaults |
| 13:06.15 | cahoot | gentgeen__: err xrdb |
| 13:06.23 | james___ | asg: thanks |
| 13:06.28 | asg | james___: you're welcome |
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| 13:07.10 | bizkit | i just connected to an ssh account that puts me into jail leaving me a bash shell and some restricted fileutils commands. i need a umask of 077 for this account, how can i set that for default after i've connected / started the bash? i tried echo 'chmod 077' > ~/.bashrc and giving it chmod u+x, but it doesn't help. any ideas? |
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| 13:07.30 | gentgeen__ | cahoot, thanks :-) |
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| 13:08.11 | Eclipser | r_marvin, well, I installed sid and now my opengl apps link correctly :> |
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| 13:08.48 | r_marvin | you should've listened my pinning advice |
| 13:08.48 | POVaddct | bizkit: you need to put "umask 077" into .bashrc, not "chmod 077" |
| 13:08.55 | ootput | hmm, emacs in sid in some flux? |
| 13:09.07 | r_marvin | you might live to regret the sid upgrade |
| 13:09.31 | bizkit | POVaddct: sorry this was a mistake here on irc, i typed umask 077 |
| 13:10.01 | hikenboot | hello all --- I am running a VM which i am almost positive is debian i am getting INIT: ID "4" respawning too fast: diable for 5 minutes where the ID is 1-6 I see nothing in the inittab to be causing the problem although I am by no means an expert..any ideas? |
| 13:10.20 | bronze | kroddn: yup. :) |
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| 13:11.27 | POVaddct | bizkit: .bashrc is not executed when you log in, only .bash_profile |
| 13:11.31 | Lacsi | soo..how to turn off/disconnect a drive from debian if not with hdparm -b0 or -U? (those r not workin) |
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| 13:12.24 | ootput | ah, nvm, nothing wrong with emacs-snapshot in sid\ |
| 13:12.33 | bizkit | POVaddct: thanks, that was the trick |
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| 13:15.49 | antirez | Hello again |
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| 13:16.13 | antirez | I'm back just to inform interested guys that upgrading to the latest stable kernel compiled with HZ=1000 fixed the issue |
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| 13:16.51 | antirez | the system is ways more responsive even without any background job running btw |
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| 13:17.45 | ootput | Do any of you run Opera 9.0b? the most recent one dated 20060411? |
| 13:18.01 | evaded | On a computer some informations are redirected to all the consoles. Like some unknow keys of an keyboard. How can i do to redirect it only to one console and not to all the consoles? I have read the man syslog, but not understand many of it and have change an commented para in the /etc/syslog.conf The info are been outputed to tty3 but also to the others tty :-/ |
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| 13:18.38 | POVaddct | antirez: i experienced very slow boot with sata controller and HZ=250 on a 2.6.12 kernel (patched the params.h file) |
| 13:18.43 | MrBond82 | what command would I use to search for a string in a file in the entire filesystem? |
| 13:19.23 | dvs | MrBond82: find | grep |
| 13:19.23 | wols | grep -r "foo" /* |
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| 13:20.25 | mirak | can grub boot on a /boot partition which is in fat32 ? |
| 13:20.37 | hikenboot | anyone able to help with my inittab problem |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | mirak: i would think so .. but haven't tried it |
| 13:21.23 | wols | mirak: yes there is a fat stage 1.5 |
| 13:21.28 | mirak | I want to put that on a usbkey |
| 13:21.43 | abrotman | hikenboot: ask google .. i've seen the answer but it is eluding me |
| 13:21.45 | antirez | POVaddct, my problem was that under big I/O the system was almost not usable for interactive tasks. Now it seems fixed |
| 13:21.51 | antirez | but I had an ooold kernel :) |
| 13:21.53 | mirak | I don't want to format it in ext2 |
| 13:22.20 | hikenboot | ah i have more of a clue its got to do with getty ..I have seen a lot of articles about getty but its solution eludes me too |
| 13:22.32 | hikenboot | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
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| 13:23.56 | evaded | hikenboot: It's to my you talk? |
| 13:23.59 | shai | H :) when I boot my pc with knoppix, it recognizes the harddrive as sda and while i boot it using debian with kernel 2.6.14, it recognizes the harddrive as hde. is that wrong? does it mean that the kernel is using the wrong driver for my board? |
| 13:24.16 | wols | a different one at least |
| 13:24.19 | wols | what ide controller? |
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| 13:24.27 | shai | it is a via board |
| 13:24.32 | wols | and what kernel does knoppix use? |
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| 13:24.40 | hikenboot | actually it was to brotman ..sorry evaded |
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| 13:24.50 | shai | 2.6.x (knoppix 4.0.2 ...) |
| 13:25.08 | wols | 2.6.x says me nothing.and I'm no knoppix user |
| 13:25.11 | abrotman | hikenboot: full nicktab helps :) |
| 13:25.26 | abrotman | 2.6 should be sda .. 2.4 will be hde |
| 13:25.27 | evaded | hikenboot: It's look like what i look for i think :-/. I go yo look a bit to that 'getty' :-p |
| 13:25.32 | hikenboot | ah sorry abrotman |
| 13:25.37 | abrotman | which debian installer has a 2.6.14 ? |
| 13:26.41 | abrotman | !cookie asg |
| 13:26.50 | dpkg | Hey abrotman, ksirc is a script for sirc, but I may be wrong, or asg> ni: have you asked in #debian-kde? ni> yeah ni> they told me ksirc is ugly and sucks balls asg> hahaha |
| 13:27.07 | asg | abrotman: hehe, haven't seen that one in a while |
| 13:27.10 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 13:30.09 | shai | wols, knoppix uses 2.6.12 |
| 13:31.21 | abrotman | shai: are you sure you booted a 2.6 for debian? |
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| 13:34.52 | gerardomt | jpin |
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| 13:35.04 | asg | gerardomt: /join #foo |
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| 13:36.05 | endri | how can i add diskspace to linux |
| 13:36.22 | wols | by putting in more harddisks? |
| 13:36.25 | mop | hi guys, how can I have avantgarde font on sarge for use it with gimp ? |
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| 13:36.59 | endri | i mean i would like to remove some unused space from windows how can i move it to linux |
| 13:38.11 | paddy2706 | question: how can i build a deb from a changed source? executing dpkg-buildpackage results in a problem. |
| 13:38.11 | wols | endri: format it with a linux filesystem, add it to /etc/fstab. man fstab |
| 13:38.11 | wols | paddy2706: what problem? |
| 13:38.42 | endri | wols : i can resize by ntfsresize but i dont know how to move it to my home partition for eg |
| 13:39.05 | wols | endri: qtparted |
| 13:39.09 | wols | or just parted |
| 13:39.17 | ootput | hi guys, i'm experiencing some pecularities while sshing to another machine: every so often, while i'm working in a shell (ssh'd) i'd see xset: unable to open display ":0" |
| 13:39.20 | ootput | besides entries in my remote dir's .xinitrc, there's no mention of it elsewhere |
| 13:39.23 | ootput | likewise on my local machine, xset doesn't appear anywhere besides my .xinitrc |
| 13:39.47 | paddy2706 | wols: i have to compile php4 different to normal debian pkg and since i have multiple servers i want to build a deb-package. after running ./configure the way i need it i tried to execute dpkg-buildpackage and it'd interrupt |
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| 13:40.17 | ifvoid | ootput: and ps aux doesn't show any process that could be fireing off the xset? |
| 13:40.27 | ootput | ifvoid: right |
| 13:40.31 | ifvoid | weird |
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| 13:40.46 | ootput | i'm not even attempting the port forward |
| 13:40.52 | ootput | I just want to work in a shell |
| 13:40.55 | ifvoid | ootput: does it happen in regular intervals? |
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| 13:41.02 | ootput | ifvoid: yes |
| 13:41.08 | ifvoid | hmm |
| 13:41.10 | ootput | even during editor sessions |
| 13:41.23 | ifvoid | and there's no sleep running or so? |
| 13:41.28 | ootput | i'm not sure if it's related to screen |
| 13:41.31 | ootput | no running |
| 13:41.34 | paddy2706 | wols, error is "dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source" |
| 13:41.49 | asg | ootput: if you use ssh -x me@foo, do you still see it? |
| 13:41.51 | ifvoid | paddy2706: that means you've changes binary files |
| 13:42.10 | ifvoid | asg: as the message is about display :0, that's unlike to be the problem |
| 13:42.20 | ootput | asg: yes |
| 13:42.26 | wols | paddy2706: and you should edit your /debian subdir to change the ./configure string |
| 13:42.29 | ootput | asg: i've set that up in my .ssh/config |
| 13:42.42 | fran | quien me ayuda en una cosita con guadalinex |
| 13:42.53 | paddy2706 | wols, okay ill try |
| 13:43.03 | paddy2706 | ifvoid, thanks ill try wols suggestion |
| 13:43.06 | asg | !tell fran about es |
| 13:43.13 | ifvoid | paddy2706: uh well |
| 13:43.21 | ifvoid | paddy2706: that'll probably not help |
| 13:43.32 | fran | ok :) |
| 13:43.36 | ifvoid | as you changes some other file, too, which diff can't handle |
| 13:43.39 | paddy2706 | ifvoid, why? |
| 13:44.00 | wols | paddy2706: you need to unpack the sources again |
| 13:44.00 | ifvoid | the error should say which file is the problem |
| 13:44.39 | ifvoid | ootput: could you put the output of ps aux on paste.debian.net? |
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| 13:44.47 | paddy2706 | wols, sure ill do that - and then change which file in /debian? there are like 20~30 of them, I cant change every single one |
| 13:44.54 | ootput | ifvoid: on the local end, or the remote end? |
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| 13:45.05 | ifvoid | paddy2706: debian/rules is the build script |
| 13:45.16 | ifvoid | ootput: hmm, remote I guess |
| 13:45.23 | paddy2706 | ifvoid, thanks. |
| 13:45.49 | wols | paddy2706: grep configure * |
| 13:46.34 | th1 | is it possible in ext3, to change the root directory to another one? |
| 13:46.40 | th1 | like if I have /new and I want to make that into / |
| 13:46.42 | ootput | ifvoid: it's huge |
| 13:46.47 | ootput | ifvoid: this is a uni shell account |
| 13:46.51 | ootput | ifvoid: what are you after? |
| 13:46.52 | ifvoid | hmm |
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| 13:47.00 | ootput | grep for xset? |
| 13:47.18 | ifvoid | ootput: I was wondering if there maybe could be some program running on the background that would fire off these xsets periodically |
| 13:47.36 | savels | .msg dpkg guidelines |
| 13:48.06 | ootput | ifvoid: i understand |
| 13:48.50 | ifvoid | so maybe you could check what stuff is running on the same pty |
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| 13:50.14 | ootput | ifvoid: no idea how to do that (= |
| 13:50.29 | ootput | ps t, then ps aux -t # ? |
| 13:51.23 | POVaddct | ootput: it must be one of the start scripts for the login shell |
| 13:52.01 | ootput | hmm, that may be true |
| 13:52.12 | ootput | my account has to source a uni global source |
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| 13:52.22 | ootput | i'd forgotten to grep that |
| 13:52.32 | POVaddct | ootput: check /etc/profile, /etc/bashrc, /etc/bash.profile, ... |
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| 13:52.55 | ootput | POVaddct: my .zshrc is the only one, besides the practically empty /etc/zshrc |
| 13:53.21 | POVaddct | ootput: oh, zsh. i don't know that one. |
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| 13:56.09 | ootput | grrr |
| 13:56.12 | thoron | dri xorg-module doesn't seem to be working with ATI Radeon 9250 on unstable. |
| 13:56.19 | ootput | okay, guess i'll have to bear with it |
| 13:56.26 | ootput | thanks anyway |
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| 13:57.24 | abrotman | thoron: tried the url in /topic ? |
| 13:58.03 | thoron | abrotman: yes, it seems that problem is same as with i915 I guess. |
| 13:58.32 | abrotman | it may very well be .. welcome to unstable |
| 13:58.54 | thoron | been here for years. ;) |
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| 14:00.50 | robert83a1 | hello what is the debian equivalent of /etc/rc.d/rc.local ? (red hat) |
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| 14:01.07 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 14:01.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 14:01.31 | robert83a1 | okthanx |
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| 14:02.12 | Gnea | hrm |
| 14:02.20 | Gnea | that's an inaccurate factoid |
| 14:02.27 | Gnea | redhat uses sysv too |
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| 14:02.46 | abrotman | has it always? |
| 14:02.55 | abrotman | i can't remember .. |
| 14:03.03 | Gnea | no, i think they switched over from rc in the 4.x series |
| 14:03.08 | Gnea | or maybe it was 5.x |
| 14:03.24 | abrotman | or 6.x |
| 14:03.26 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:03.29 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 14:03.42 | Gnea | back when it *really* sucked ass :) |
| 14:04.07 | abrotman | has it ever .. not sucked ass ? |
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| 14:04.52 | Gnea | apparantly, it sucks less ass today then it did then... either it learned how to take breaks now and then or it perfected its technique |
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| 14:05.57 | Gnea | goddamnit |
| 14:05.59 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.59 | Gnea | libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libXrender.la' is not a valid libtool archive |
| 14:06.00 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 14:06.12 | Gnea | in bed |
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| 14:06.19 | abrotman | eat more oreos |
| 14:06.41 | Gnea | i have enough puss to squirt at newbies, thanks |
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| 14:07.18 | Gnea | abrotman: seriously, the more chocolate i eat, the more i break out |
| 14:07.19 | Gnea | :) |
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| 14:08.10 | Gnea | beer, check. |
| 14:08.13 | Gnea | chocolate, negative. |
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| 14:08.48 | MrBond82 | wols when you mean grep -r "foo" /* is the string I'm searching for inside the "quoteS" , ie, do I need to have the quotes in the command? |
| 14:08.50 | thoron | heheh http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html |
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| 14:10.33 | thoron | Gnash is a GNU Flash movie player. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
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| 14:10.43 | thoron | There is no Debian package still. |
| 14:11.19 | abrotman | Gnea: ermm .. ew? |
| 14:11.32 | abrotman | thoron: i don't think it works yet |
| 14:11.49 | robert83a1 | hello, I succesfully built my custom 2.6.5 kernel, I did a make menuconfig and configured to have my realtek card compiled in... then by hand I edited .config file and did the following config_fb=y config_fb_vesa=y , and now I reboot , kernel works but I cannot use vga=788 for example I get blank screen... what is wrong ? |
| 14:11.55 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=347352 |
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| 14:12.23 | lpb-oberon | robert83a1: nothing |
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| 14:12.51 | robert83a1 | hmmm... then why is it working ok with kernel 2.4.x ? |
| 14:12.53 | lpb-oberon | probably you forgot to enable the console framebuffer |
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| 14:13.08 | robert83a1 | lpb-oberon : that is config_ ??? |
| 14:14.15 | robert83a1 | damn |
| 14:14.18 | robert83a1 | yes |
| 14:14.27 | robert83a1 | # config_framebuffer_console is not set |
| 14:14.29 | robert83a1 | oh... |
| 14:14.30 | robert83a1 | thanx |
| 14:14.36 | websdale | Hi,after a recent apt-get update of my etch system, when I start Gnome, X restarts & there's a glibc double free error - any ideas? |
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| 14:15.10 | GutterPunk | Hello |
| 14:15.22 | abrotman | websdale: multiple bugs filed on that ... try the url in the topic |
| 14:15.38 | Gnea | thoron: man, shit like that makes me proud to be an american ;) |
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| 14:16.25 | GutterPunk | Tonight there appears to have been a power surge. And one disk appears to have been corrupted. I hope to be able to fix this now. When I try cfdisk /dev/hdg I get the error "Unknown partition table type. Do you wish to start with a zero table" |
| 14:16.44 | GutterPunk | And during boot I get the error that the superblock has been corrupted and is not recoverable |
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| 14:17.20 | websdale | abrotman:thanks |
| 14:17.20 | wols_ | pray you have backups |
| 14:17.23 | Gnea | GutterPunk: does the system have some sort of cdrom device capable of booting? |
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| 14:17.41 | GutterPunk | Well the system boots. The drive is a second hard drive, containing all the data |
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| 14:17.51 | GutterPunk | The system files are on the other device |
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| 14:18.06 | Gnea | GutterPunk: and is it running Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 14:18.13 | thoron | Gnea: Well, atleast your gas price is low, take google to look what it costs here: 1.30 euros per litre to dollars per gallon |
| 14:18.14 | GutterPunk | Gnea, Debian |
| 14:18.17 | bkudria | does anyone here use dnsmasq? i'm having trouble with the dhcp part: clients request an address, dnsmasq replies with an offer, but the clients never see it and time out...tcpdump confirms: i don't see the offer. what could be wrong? |
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| 14:18.43 | ifvoid | bkudria: a firewalling problem? |
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| 14:19.10 | bkudria | ifvoid: i thought so too, so i shut down firehol and it still didn't work |
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| 14:19.31 | ifvoid | and if you run tcpdump on the sending side? |
| 14:19.32 | macho_ | hello any on hlp me |
| 14:19.43 | ifvoid | !ask |
| 14:19.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:19.44 | abrotman | !ask |
| 14:19.45 | macho_ | i using 64 bit linux |
| 14:19.50 | endri | i have some free space on my hd. How can i move it to a share partition |
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| 14:20.14 | ifvoid | endri: what do you mena by a shre partition? |
| 14:20.20 | deejoe | endri: what does your partition table look like? |
| 14:20.21 | bkudria | ifvoid: i did run tcp dump on the server dies, i see 4 counts of "IP 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: BOOTP/DHCP, Request from 00:05:5d:fa:4a:47 (oui Unknown), length: 548" |
| 14:20.23 | macho_ | help dpkg can u help me |
| 14:20.27 | endri | fat |
| 14:20.40 | endri | i mean i resized by ntfsresize |
| 14:20.41 | Ronin | macho_: just state the problem/question |
| 14:20.45 | bkudria | ifvoid: and dnsmasq logs have 4 "request recieved" and immediatly after "offer sent" |
| 14:21.00 | macho_ | i need to configure my ethernet card its sis191/190 |
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| 14:21.04 | macho_ | how |
| 14:21.04 | endri | and i want to put the free space to the fat partition |
| 14:21.05 | ifvoid | bkudria: but you don't even see the sent offer in the tcpdump on the sending machine? |
| 14:21.07 | Gnea | thoron: negative. that works out to 1 litre == 1.26 gallon. at that rate, with xe.com's current conversion table, you pay just over USD$2.00/gallon, while we're paying damn just over $3.00/gallon |
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| 14:21.14 | macho_ | can any one hlp me in that |
| 14:21.17 | bkudria | ifvoid: right... |
| 14:21.21 | ifvoid | endri: to an existing fat partition? |
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| 14:21.23 | macho_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.25 | ifvoid | bkudria: that's pretty weird |
| 14:21.30 | endri | yes |
| 14:21.32 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:21.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:21.35 | Gnea | GutterPunk: do you have backups? |
| 14:21.41 | deejoe | macho_: you are making statements. ask a question. |
| 14:21.49 | bkudria | ifvoid: there are, however, 3 lines of "arp who-has 10.10.0.9 tell kant.home" right after each request line |
| 14:21.51 | ifvoid | bkudria: maybe you coudl stracte dnsmasq to see what it is actually sending, where where is is being sent? |
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| 14:22.01 | Gnea | thoron: unless i did my math wrong... |
| 14:22.08 | thoron | Gnea: I bet you did. |
| 14:22.12 | bkudria | ifvoid: kant is the server name, 10.10.0.9 is the ip it's trying to hand out |
| 14:22.13 | ifvoid | endri: that's not easily possible |
| 14:22.20 | Gnea | thoron: please, enlighten me. |
| 14:22.21 | macho_ | how to configure ppoe in linux |
| 14:22.31 | deejoe | aha. |
| 14:22.37 | bkudria | ifvoid: i could try, but i have zero experience with strace |
| 14:22.39 | Gnea | !pppoe |
| 14:22.39 | ifvoid | endri: you'll probably need to mave the existing data elsewhere, remove the old partition , create a new, large one, make a new fs, and move everything back |
| 14:22.39 | dpkg | pppoe is, like, ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 14:22.45 | wols_ | macho_: pppoeconf |
| 14:22.46 | GutterPunk | Gnea, I dont... It's way too much data |
| 14:22.56 | abrotman | dpkg: convert 1 gallon to litre |
| 14:22.57 | bkudria | macho_: such open-ended questions will not get answered specifically...google it |
| 14:22.57 | dpkg | 1 gallon is approximately 3.78541 litre |
| 14:23.04 | GutterPunk | Well, for me at least... 250 GB. Backing this up would also be a nightmare |
| 14:23.06 | abrotman | Gnea: feel better? :) |
| 14:23.10 | ifvoid | bkudria: well, strace -vv -f -s 512 -p <pid> shoudl show you all the syscalls the process is making |
| 14:23.21 | ifvoid | bkudria: as well as the messages it is sending out |
| 14:23.30 | bkudria | ok, i'll try it |
| 14:23.35 | macho_ | as iam using 64 bit none got driver for it |
| 14:23.42 | endri | but some times ago i added a fat partiton to the extended by partiton magic |
| 14:23.42 | bkudria | ifvoid: although i have no idea how to interpret it |
| 14:23.45 | macho_ | i tried a lot |
| 14:24.15 | ifvoid | endri: ah yes, partition magic can probably do it |
| 14:24.15 | wols_ | endri: I told you you need to use parted. if that can't do it, there is no linux software that can |
| 14:24.27 | ifvoid | endri: but that's hardly ontipic here, is it? |
| 14:24.41 | ifvoid | wols_: parted can;t resize vfat afaik |
| 14:24.43 | Gnea | GutterPunk: "too much data" is not a justifiable answer. |
| 14:24.53 | macho_ | can any one hlp me |
| 14:25.03 | Gnea | !tell macho_ about ask |
| 14:25.07 | abrotman | Gnea: he did |
| 14:25.09 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:25.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:25.15 | Gnea | oh |
| 14:25.17 | ifvoid | wols_: hmm, the man page seems to suggest it actually can |
| 14:25.31 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 14:25.31 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 14:26.01 | GutterPunk | Gnea, well I guess you are right, but it's not like it is business critical or anything. But it's stuff I never wanted to loose. I didn't have the means to back all that up either. |
| 14:26.03 | Gnea | GutterPunk: i'm guessing this is a personal system of yours? |
| 14:26.07 | GutterPunk | Yep |
| 14:26.08 | bkudria | ifvoid: yeah, i have no idea what to do with it...can i DCC send you the output? |
| 14:26.20 | ifvoid | bkudria: just put it on paste.debian.net |
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| 14:26.25 | Gnea | GutterPunk: then why did you get a 250G drive in the first place? :) |
| 14:26.28 | ifvoid | that way, everyone can take a look |
| 14:26.32 | GutterPunk | It's my file / vnc / ldap server |
| 14:26.51 | GutterPunk | for file serving purposes :) |
| 14:27.04 | Gnea | s/file serving/headache/g |
| 14:27.05 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:27.23 | ifvoid | GutterPunk: well, either you don't want to lose the data, so you need to backup, or the data is expendable, and you don't |
| 14:27.45 | bkudria | ifvoid: oh, ok...it's a bit long |
| 14:27.54 | Gnea | GutterPunk: my suggestion is to gank a copy of kanotix and boot that use sfdisk to attempt to reinitialize your partition table - how many partitions did you have it split into? |
| 14:27.58 | macho_ | in configuring pppoe |
| 14:28.01 | GutterPunk | But there's nothing around to try and restore the partition table? Well I just bumped in to "gpart" and I'm running it now |
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| 14:28.04 | ifvoid | bkudria: paste.debian.net allows you to upload a file, iirc |
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| 14:28.18 | ifvoid | GutterPunk: what happened, exactly? |
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| 14:28.48 | Gnea | GutterPunk: gparted may be flakey - hopefully you didn't split it up too much |
| 14:28.57 | GutterPunk | Gnea, do I have to use the live cd? I mean, I can boot... I just logged in via vnc |
| 14:29.02 | Gnea | ifvoid: he had a power surge that took out his MBR |
| 14:29.08 | ifvoid | ah |
| 14:29.09 | GutterPunk | Gnea, I'm lucky there :) It's one huge partition :) |
| 14:29.27 | Gnea | GutterPunk: you're damn right you're lucky :) |
| 14:29.38 | ifvoid | Gnea: well, he just has to hope then that it's only the MBR that was damages |
| 14:29.50 | Gnea | ifvoid: exactly |
| 14:29.50 | GutterPunk | The system boots fine, it's just the second hard drive that's fscked (or can be fscked is maybe a better way to put it) :) |
| 14:30.00 | wols_ | macho_: we can't do handholding. if you have a specific problem just ask |
| 14:30.15 | Gnea | GutterPunk: what's the manufacturer? |
| 14:30.21 | wols_ | Gnea: sis obviously |
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| 14:30.29 | GutterPunk | I don't think I have something in the MBR on that drive |
| 14:30.34 | Gnea | wols_: sis makes hard drives? |
| 14:30.40 | GutterPunk | Gnea, Maxtor |
| 14:30.44 | wols_ | oops. sorry. misread |
| 14:30.46 | wols_ | no they don't |
| 14:30.56 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:31.04 | abrotman | Gnea: aren't you in bed still ? |
| 14:31.05 | bkudria | ifvoid: http://paste.debian.net/6331 |
| 14:31.16 | Gnea | abrotman: no, i'm still getting drunk #) |
| 14:31.21 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 14:31.26 | wols_ | abrotman: what has that to do if he's on irc or not? |
| 14:31.34 | abrotman | wols_: he fell over |
| 14:31.59 | Gnea | i'm sorry, i find this to be extremely amusing |
| 14:32.03 | thoron | Gnea: 1.30e/l (while 1e = $1.2559, 1 litre = 0.264172051 US gallon) = 1.63267 dollar / 0.2641 US gallon = $6.18/gallon |
| 14:32.44 | abrotman | there should be a penalty for gas in the burbs .. or people who drive more than .. like 10 miles to work |
| 14:32.49 | Gnea | thoron: but does your government give or take taxes from you in one lump sum once per year? |
| 14:33.22 | Gnea | abrotman: there already is |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | Gnea: no there isn't |
| 14:33.40 | Gnea | abrotman: it's called distance ;) |
| 14:33.48 | abrotman | Gnea: that's selfimposed |
| 14:33.58 | Gnea | but it's true |
| 14:34.05 | thoron | Gnea: we pay taxes in advance in with each month pay and then a year they calculated if advance taxes match actual tax that you should pay. What does that have to do with this? |
| 14:34.34 | asg | abrotman: actually, the burbs usually only have single gas stations instead of multiples in single locations so the lack of localized competition often results in higher prices. |
| 14:34.36 | abrotman | if you got penalized for driving >10miles to work .. i bet a) less urban sprawl b) fewer SUVs c) less traffic d) happier abrotman |
| 14:34.37 | Gnea | thoron: the point is that we have 2 entirely different systems. |
| 14:34.44 | bkudria | ifvoid: does that have any helpful nuggets in it? |
| 14:34.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | arg, im going crazy, i like debian for my servers, but i need an install with lots of control, i noticed that the standart debian installers use very old software so lvm and raid things are limited, i need the controlll to make the arrays and such just in an terminal with up2date apps, and then debootstrap it or so, but i cnat find a single decent manual about it :S |
| 14:34.53 | ifvoid | bkudria: it does seem to send out a hdcp reply |
| 14:34.58 | ifvoid | on line 61 |
| 14:35.01 | Gnea | thoron: i don't make the rules and neither do you. shut your hole and fill 'er up ;) |
| 14:35.10 | ifvoid | uh |
| 14:35.18 | ifvoid | oh hold on, it's receiving that |
| 14:35.21 | thoron | Gnea: Yes, and your SUV:n eat all gas and you dare to complain about expensive gas. |
| 14:35.30 | bkudria | ifvoid: the log says so too, but tcpdump doesn't see that |
| 14:35.35 | Gnea | thoron: i don't own an SUV. never have, never will. |
| 14:35.46 | abrotman | thoron: i don't drive an SUV .. and noone else should either |
| 14:36.11 | ifvoid | uh, line 57 |
| 14:36.25 | bkudria | ifvoid: yeah, the 2.4 arm machine is a zaurus client :) |
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| 14:36.46 | ifvoid | and 10.10.0.9 is the correct ip? |
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| 14:37.13 | thoron | Gnea: very good, wouldn't expect such thing from Debian user. ;-) |
| 14:37.16 | Gnea | GutterPunk: sfdisk should be able to reconstruct that mbr. it's not easy to use, but then recovering an mbr wasn't made to be easy. :) |
| 14:37.23 | Gnea | thoron: hahaha |
| 14:37.27 | bkudria | ifvoid: it's in the range i specified, if that's what you mean |
| 14:37.39 | ifvoid | bkudria: but is it also on you localnet? |
| 14:37.42 | GutterPunk | Pfff :( |
| 14:37.44 | ifvoid | and is is routed correctly? |
| 14:37.58 | bkudria | ifvoid: i also found http://lists.thekelleys.org.uk/pipermail/dnsmasq-discuss/2005q3/000400.html ... except it didn't work for me with firehol off...do you wanna see my firehol.conf? |
| 14:38.05 | bkudria | ifvoid: yes... |
| 14:38.11 | ifvoid | weird |
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| 14:38.20 | ifvoid | no idea then |
| 14:38.24 | Gnea | thoron: in fact, i'm trying to find the time to get over to my dealer to see what hybrids they have in stock so i can trade my pickup in next month. |
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| 14:38.34 | bkudria | ifvoid: routing? i think so... |
| 14:38.51 | ifvoid | and are you sure your firewall is empty? iptables -n -L doesn't show anything? Hwo about the nat table? |
| 14:38.53 | DonJohnny | How can i get some intel libraries ? to fix the following error: |
| 14:38.53 | DonJohnny | /usr/local/mysql/lib/libz.a(inflate.o)(.text+0x1fba): In function `updatewindow': |
| 14:38.53 | DonJohnny | : undefined reference to `_intel_fast_memcpy' |
| 14:39.02 | GutterPunk | Gnea, I didn't mention this: fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdg |
| 14:39.15 | ifvoid | DonJohnny: uh, why not just use debian's own mysql packages? |
| 14:39.16 | bkudria | ifvoid: hold on, let me try again |
| 14:39.26 | Gnea | GutterPunk: again, your MBR is hosed - you need sfdisk to put it back together |
| 14:39.31 | DonJohnny | ifvoid: because i needed a newer version of mysql |
| 14:39.41 | ifvoid | then, why not use a backport? |
| 14:39.45 | GutterPunk | Alright |
| 14:39.47 | GutterPunk | Gnea, thanks |
| 14:40.01 | ifvoid | DonJohnny: it seems you are using a version that was compiled with intel's compiler or so |
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| 14:40.10 | ifvoid | so you ened intel's libs to go with it, I guess |
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| 14:40.30 | bkudria | ifvoid: it is empty, and it still doesn't work...how do i check my nat table? |
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| 14:40.59 | plb | is nvidia working with xorg 7.0 in unstable? |
| 14:41.11 | bkudria | plb: works over here |
| 14:41.30 | plb | bkudria: installing the debian way? or pkg off nvidia site? |
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| 14:41.33 | bkudria | plb: since 7.0 is supposed to be the same thing as 6.9, just repackaged |
| 14:41.33 | DonJohnny | ifvoid: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 44 2006-04-06 14:00 mysql -> mysql-standard-5.0.19-linux-i686-icc-glibc23 |
| 14:41.46 | DonJohnny | ifvoid: that seems gcc to me, not intel |
| 14:42.08 | bkudria | plb: i had to compile the module myself with 'm-a a-i nvidia', since it is not packaged correctly now (bug), but it works |
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| 14:42.42 | plb | ok thanks |
| 14:42.50 | ifvoid | DonJohnny: icc==inte compiler |
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| 14:42.58 | ifvoid | DonJohnny: but as i said, just use a backport |
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| 14:43.05 | Gnea | DonJohnny: icc |
| 14:43.18 | ifvoid | http://www.backports.org/package.php?search=mysql |
| 14:43.19 | DonJohnny | god damnit |
| 14:43.24 | Gnea | DonJohnny: type this: file mysql-standard-5.0.19-linux-i686-icc-glibc23 |
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| 14:43.55 | ifvoid | bkudria: iptables -t nat |
| 14:44.13 | DonJohnny | Gnea: what will that do ? |
| 14:44.21 | Kraig | hmmm... |
| 14:44.43 | DonJohnny | Gnea: its a directory doh |
| 14:44.45 | bkudria | ifvoid: iptables v1.3.3: no command specified |
| 14:44.46 | Kraig | anybody had problems trying to install xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.15_all ? |
| 14:44.47 | Gnea | DonJohnny: do you honestly think i would tell you to do something that would cause harm to your system? |
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| 14:44.55 | ifvoid | bkudria: add -L |
| 14:45.02 | ifvoid | Kraig: define problems |
| 14:45.13 | Kraig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.23 | Gnea | DonJohnny: find the main mysql daemon binary in that directory, and run file on it |
| 14:45.29 | bkudria | ifvoid: also empty... |
| 14:45.29 | settky | could anyone help me? I am running etch and after recent apt-get upgrade I get "Waiting for root file system" and it hangs |
| 14:45.57 | settky | during boot, this is really frustrating |
| 14:46.03 | DonJohnny | Gnea: mysqld: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 14:46.15 | ifvoid | DonJohnny: and ldd? |
| 14:46.19 | settky | then it sais ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist. Dropping to shell |
| 14:46.30 | settky | is there some way to fix it from shell? |
| 14:46.31 | ifvoid | settky: ah, sounds like an udev problem |
| 14:46.37 | ifvoid | settky: which kernel do you haven? |
| 14:46.53 | marco13185 | why does firefox lag a lot in Debian Unstable? |
| 14:46.57 | settky | 2/6/15-1-486 |
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| 14:47.22 | Gnea | marco13185: it doesn't lag a lot with other os's? |
| 14:47.31 | bkudria | ifvoid: so you are stumped, huh? |
| 14:47.37 | settky | what should I do ifvoid? |
| 14:47.52 | marco13185 | Gnea, nowhere near as much. Here in debian it takes almost a whole second to switch tabs |
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| 14:48.12 | Gnea | marco13185: how many tabs do you have open? |
| 14:48.19 | marco13185 | like 3 |
| 14:48.26 | ifvoid | bkudria: pretty much, yeah |
| 14:48.30 | marco13185 | Gnea, 3 |
| 14:48.31 | Gnea | marco13185: and you had how many open before it became 3? :) |
| 14:48.37 | ifvoid | bkudria: maybe you could try another dhcpd? |
| 14:48.38 | marco13185 | maybe a total of 5 |
| 14:48.47 | Gnea | and you have how much ram? |
| 14:48.52 | marco13185 | 512 |
| 14:49.00 | ifvoid | settky: try udgrading udev to the latest version |
| 14:49.02 | Gnea | running what window manager? |
| 14:49.11 | marco13185 | Gnea, whatever the default for KDE is |
| 14:49.18 | Gnea | heh, ok |
| 14:49.19 | settky | ifvoid how? why didn't it upgrade after apt-get update, + upgrade? |
| 14:49.25 | marco13185 | Gnea, does that explain something? |
| 14:49.31 | Gnea | marco13185: have you ever used fluxbox? |
| 14:49.32 | ifvoid | udev has a lot of bugs, lately |
| 14:49.38 | bkudria | ifvoid: not really, i like dnsmasq....i had it working, before, long ago...i'm emailing the author, now |
| 14:49.42 | Gnea | marco13185: not entirely |
| 14:49.42 | marco13185 | Gnea, in windows |
| 14:49.48 | bkudria | ifvoid: but thanks for the help! |
| 14:49.53 | ifvoid | bkudria: yw |
| 14:49.58 | Gnea | marco13185: .... who gives a flying fuck about windows? |
| 14:50.03 | settky | what a hell |
| 14:50.04 | marco13185 | Gnea, I have it installed here in Debian too |
| 14:50.10 | marco13185 | Gnea, just haven't used it yet ;) |
| 14:50.13 | ifvoid | settky: well, it's testing |
| 14:50.14 | Gnea | lol |
| 14:50.19 | ifvoid | settky: stuff like that can happen |
| 14:50.22 | marco13185 | Gnea, does it get along well with KDE? |
| 14:50.30 | marco13185 | ;) |
| 14:50.33 | dorel_ | seems like i cant send mail outside, how can i enable that in exim4? i tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4 cause i remember there's a dialog on every install that asks you for configuration but it doesnt popup anything... |
| 14:50.46 | ifvoid | settky: the way to go, I guess, is to boot from a boot cd, mount your partitions, and restore your devices |
| 14:51.00 | asg | dorel_: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 14:51.07 | ifvoid | dorel_: you need the exim4-config package |
| 14:51.09 | DonJohnny | Gnea: http://pastebin.com/690405 |
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| 14:51.30 | hikenboot | hello all---one more question I would like to replace getty with mgetty in my /etc/inittab when i do the login prompt never appears ...I found somthing that indicated i could use update-alternatives --config getty ...when i execute it it tells me there is no alternatives for getty this is after installing the mgetty package...any ideas? |
| 14:51.37 | Gnea | marco13185: i think KDE grows a set of cylindrical tubes that extend to end with points a few nanometers across |
| 14:51.45 | Gnea | ;) |
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| 14:51.59 | ifvoid | DonJohnny: again, why don;t you just use a nice ready-made debian package to install mysql? |
| 14:52.08 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:52.51 | Gnea | DonJohnny: and you installed that version of mysql instead of the one via apt because...? |
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| 14:53.08 | munzir | Hi, this command doesn't ask me for the password and fail with |
| 14:53.09 | munzir | $ sudo echo 'Listen 443' >> /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 14:53.09 | munzir | -bash: /etc/apache2/ports.conf: Permission denied |
| 14:53.17 | munzir | what's wrong please |
| 14:53.17 | ifvoid | munzir: yes |
| 14:53.27 | ifvoid | munzir: the redirect takes places outside th sudo |
| 14:53.30 | asg | munzir: the redirect is not done with rootly permissions |
| 14:53.34 | ifvoid | munzir: try sudo -s |
| 14:53.39 | ifvoid | munzir: and then enter the command |
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| 14:53.56 | settky | ifvoid how do I restore devices? |
| 14:53.59 | Gnea | munzir: you'll need to throw that into a shell script and have sudo execute the script |
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| 14:54.03 | ifvoid | settky: mknod |
| 14:54.17 | ifvoid | settky: or just copy them over from whatever environment you're booting into |
| 14:54.45 | DonJohnny | Gnea: because i needed the latest |
| 14:54.59 | Gnea | DonJohnny: why? |
| 14:55.00 | ifvoid | DonJohnny: yeah, so install a newer debian package |
| 14:55.08 | ifvoid | DonJohnny: I already told you about 3 times |
| 14:55.14 | ifvoid | DonJohnny: get it at www.backports.org |
| 14:55.16 | Gnea | DonJohnny: are you running sarge? |
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| 14:55.41 | DonJohnny | Gnea: ye |
| 14:56.00 | Gnea | DonJohnny: ah, that's why - yeah, listen to ifvoid |
| 14:56.22 | munzir | ifvoid, asg, thx but can't I do it in one command? |
| 14:56.24 | settky | that's why I hate linux sometimes |
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| 14:56.45 | g0dspeed | does anyone know how to add/enable directoryIterator class functionality within php? i am receiving the following error info: Class 'DirectoryIterator' not found in" |
| 14:56.59 | Gnea | settky: because it really does kick ass? ;) |
| 14:57.08 | marco13185 | Gnea, meh, I like XFCE more than flux so I'm using that |
| 14:57.12 | asg | munzir: wrap it in a shell script that is called from sudo as Gnea said |
| 14:57.18 | Gnea | marco13185: very well :) |
| 14:57.29 | ifvoid | settky: if you want a stable system, you shouldn't be using testing |
| 14:57.54 | ifvoid | munzir: or use tee |
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| 14:58.08 | marco13185 | Gnea, and yes, it feals much more responsive |
| 14:58.08 | settky | ifvoid there is a criteria for stability |
| 14:58.12 | marco13185 | thanks |
| 14:58.20 | Gnea | marco13185: you're welcome |
| 14:58.38 | Gnea | settky: stable, testing, unstable. think about it... |
| 14:58.54 | ifvoid | settky: have you files about about your problem already? |
| 14:59.01 | asg | g0dspeed: try #php |
| 14:59.33 | DonJohnny | Gnea: hmm kk |
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| 14:59.42 | DonJohnny | ill just get the gcc version |
| 14:59.51 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:59.58 | g0dspeed | k ascii__ |
| 15:00.04 | g0dspeed | asg :) |
| 15:00.09 | asg | \o/ |
| 15:00.25 | nethenson | When i click on the 'devices' in my konqueror sidebar, i get at devices protocol unsupported? Do i have to intall a kioslaves package or something? |
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| 15:01.20 | zamaliphe | how to config the network using the command line |
| 15:01.24 | settky | damn it |
| 15:01.29 | ifvoid | zamaliphe: ifup eth0 |
| 15:01.29 | munzir | ifvoid, asg, Gnea: thx all |
| 15:01.36 | ifvoid | ass |
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| 15:02.13 | nethenson | zamaliphe: ifconfig eth0 111.111.111.111 netmask 255.255.255.0 up ; (where 111.111.111.111 is your IP and 255.255.255.0 is your netmask) |
| 15:03.01 | nethenson | zamaliphe: and then route add default gw 111.111.111.1 eth0 (where 111.111.111.1 is your gateway) |
| 15:03.49 | asg | ifvoid: I often get called that in here |
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| 15:05.19 | cahoot | nethenson: right click - hit the url tab and change from devices to media |
| 15:06.11 | zamaliphe | nethenson: thanks a lot |
| 15:06.16 | nethenson | thanks cahoot |
| 15:06.23 | nethenson | yw zamaliphe |
| 15:07.11 | nethenson | cahoot: i have also the same problem with kdebluetooth and bluetooth: // and sdp: // , any idea? |
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| 15:07.47 | cahoot | nethenson: no more than google ;) |
| 15:08.29 | ifvoid | asg: as a typo, you mean? |
| 15:08.41 | Gnea | lol |
| 15:09.40 | pgimeno | hi, I'm experiencing problems with xclipboard and want to know if there's a simple solution: characters above the ASCII range don't get pasted at all |
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| 15:10.44 | Kraig | hmm... i'm getting "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized" in the last dist-upgrade |
| 15:11.51 | pgimeno | all I've found by googling is this simple patch, is it likely to help? http://www.tkrat.org/maf/i18n/xclipboard.c.patch |
| 15:12.38 | benderz0r | maybe some one can explain this for me... installing gnome isn't enough dep wise to install an xserver? ...how stupid is that? |
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| 15:12.55 | nethenson | cahoot: it may sound stupid, but.. how can i search bluetooth:/ in google google? it ignores the :/ |
| 15:13.08 | DarkCow | +"bluetooth:/" |
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| 15:13.27 | DarkCow | should do it |
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| 15:13.51 | DarkCow | but, evidently now |
| 15:13.53 | DarkCow | not* |
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| 15:14.49 | pgimeno | afaik google doesn't search for symbols, just words |
| 15:15.15 | nethenson | so I cant search for "bluetooth:/"? wo |
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| 15:16.30 | ifvoid | benderz0r: why is that stupid? |
| 15:16.45 | ifvoid | benderz0r: it could make perfect sense to install gnome without an X server |
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| 15:17.14 | benderz0r | because it is horrible to poor users who didn't think of that and for the past half hour were looking to solve another problem being caused by it |
| 15:17.42 | ifvoid | these users should probably try a distro that thinks for them |
| 15:17.51 | benderz0r | I saw a bunch of xserver packages when I lookeda tht e install list and assumed that was the xserver, I only just noticed then that install xorg wanted to install more :| |
| 15:18.06 | pgimeno | nethenson: maybe using a different search engine, not sure |
| 15:18.13 | benderz0r | ifvoid: maybe they should try a distro that isn't so snide? |
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| 15:19.02 | ifvoid | benderz0r: debian installs just the dependencies you need to run that apps |
| 15:19.08 | POVaddct | benderz0r: ever heard of remote X? obviously not. |
| 15:19.18 | ifvoid | benderz0r: I'm sorry if that isn't what you expected, but that's how it is |
| 15:19.21 | daraknor | i just did a dist-upgrade that broke my path with xdm and X (/usr/bin/X) and as a normal user I'm having problems with /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo |
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| 15:19.38 | benderz0r | POVaddct yes I have, and I'm using it now...that was the reason I went to double check xorg was fully installed in the first place |
| 15:19.42 | efaistos | is there some backports packages of GNOME 2.12 or 2.14 for sarge ? |
| 15:19.51 | benderz0r | ifvoid: well dont be such a prick about it? |
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| 15:20.06 | ifvoid | benderz0r: uh, you're the one complaining |
| 15:20.09 | Morden | any bind pros in here? |
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| 15:20.34 | benderz0r | ifvoid: please quote where I complained? |
| 15:20.48 | POVaddct | benderz0r: you called it stupid |
| 15:20.50 | ifvoid | 17:12 <benderz0r> maybe some one can explain this for me... installing gnome |
| 15:20.53 | ifvoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.53 | ifvoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.58 | daraknor | i just did a dist-upgrade that broke my path with xdm and X (/usr/bin/X) and as a normal user I'm having problems with /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo. Is there a quick command to fix the Xfont path? I have not edited Xfonts before. |
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| 15:21.25 | benderz0r | I asked the logic in installing a vm without an xserver assuming that gnome would be used remotely...why choose that over a local usage...and that is the point I called stupid |
| 15:21.26 | ifvoid | daraknor: the paths changes in the last upgrade |
| 15:21.39 | benderz0r | if I wanted to complain Id save my typing and switch to gentoo |
| 15:21.44 | asg | ifvoid: sometimes a typo, sometimes based on what say ;) |
| 15:22.25 | daraknor | ifvoid: most of my paths were updated automatically, I think that the path for normal user was not updated, but the path for root was updated. Startx works for root, fails for user based on Speedo font issue. |
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| 15:22.27 | asg | s/say/I say/ |
| 15:22.34 | Kraig | i have x11-common 7.0.15, i try installing xserver-comon and it tells me it Depends on x11-common(>= 6.8.1) any ideas? |
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| 15:23.00 | streuner | Kraig: what version of debian? |
| 15:23.05 | ifvoid | benderz0r: there's no choosing involved |
| 15:23.12 | Kraig | unstable |
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| 15:23.24 | ifvoid | gnome doesn't need an X server and therefore the packages don't depend on that |
| 15:23.30 | ifvoid | nothing stupid about that |
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| 15:23.41 | streuner | Kraig: rc xserver-common 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 files and utilities common to all X servers |
| 15:23.50 | tarzeau | Kraig: with sid and x7 you don't need x11-common anymore |
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| 15:23.56 | benderz0r | of course there isn't; I'm only saying it is anti-intuative |
| 15:23.58 | ifvoid | daraknor: there's wiki page that explains common problems |
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| 15:24.08 | Kraig | really? |
| 15:24.13 | ifvoid | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 15:24.17 | Kraig | why is it a dependency then? |
| 15:24.29 | tarzeau | Kraig: it is? |
| 15:24.32 | streuner | Kraig: for what? |
| 15:24.37 | tarzeau | Kraig: it's just some leftover that there's no conflicts for |
| 15:24.37 | boguh | why dont i get colors with this prompt: PS1='\[^[[34m\]\u@\h \w \$\[^[[39m\] ' ? |
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| 15:24.50 | tarzeau | boguh: man console_codes |
| 15:25.14 | daraknor | I'm using 6.9.0 under testing, after recent apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 15:25.14 | websdale | abrotman:I had a problem with gnome restarting X - you directed me to the solution to this(downgrading libxkblavier10) Thank you very much :)- it was testing my sanity |
| 15:25.18 | ifvoid | boguh: you need real escapes, not ^[ |
| 15:25.33 | Kraig | ok, let's see, i did an apt-get remove x11-common, it deinstalled almost everything, but i don't care, is a new computer, now i try apt-get install xserver-common xserver-common: Depends: x11-common (>= 6.8.1) |
| 15:25.38 | abrotman | websdale: erm .. ok .. enjoy :) |
| 15:25.40 | pipeline | So, I want to listen to my home music while I'm at work. How can I use DAAP over the open internet? (Both systems are debian) |
| 15:25.50 | Kraig | (AFTER of course trying with x11-common 7.0.15 |
| 15:25.51 | Kraig | ) |
| 15:26.06 | abrotman | icecast over ssh! |
| 15:26.29 | bela | i am using sarge, I want to create a boot disk from my distro, I tried mboot, but it seems running with lilo and not grub |
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| 15:26.40 | pipeline | abrotman: So how can I control icecast transparently? I don't want to run a radio station, here, I just want to play music on the fly, like itunes does on a LAN :P |
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| 15:26.52 | abrotman | pipeline: i was joking .. but i did see something |
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| 15:26.56 | hackeron | After an apt-get upgrade, postfix fails to authenticate against saslauthd saying cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied - any ideas? |
| 15:27.01 | DonJohnny | ifvoid: solution was easy....just use the default libmysqlclient instead of the one provided in the package |
| 15:27.05 | abrotman | pipeline: mpd ? |
| 15:27.13 | asg | mpd rocks |
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| 15:27.30 | abrotman | see .. brits agree! |
| 15:27.37 | pipeline | abrotman: I thought mpd was intended to be used to control the /remote/ system's sound system. |
| 15:27.41 | pipeline | abrotman: not the client... |
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| 15:28.03 | abrotman | eh? |
| 15:28.04 | dorel_ | even though i got this on fstab the user still cant mount the drive: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 15:28.24 | pipeline | abrotman: mpd's *clients* play the music? I thought mpd, the daemon, was the thing playing music :P |
| 15:28.27 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm pretty sure it's used to control the play list |
| 15:28.37 | abrotman | !info mpd sarge |
| 15:28.45 | dpkg | mpd: (Music Player Daemon, the name says it all), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.11.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
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| 15:28.59 | tarzeau | how can i match a string with grep thats one charachter not a letter some letters one charachter not a letter ? |
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| 15:29.17 | bela | network: there is no network configuring program, like netcardconfig |
| 15:29.36 | abrotman | pipeline: oh .. damn you .. stop complicating things |
| 15:29.45 | pipeline | abrotman: What? How am I complicating things? ;_; |
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| 15:29.55 | abrotman | just use it and be happy! |
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| 15:30.04 | abrotman | even if it doesn't do what you want! |
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| 15:30.45 | POVaddct | pipeline: if you don't want to use mpd, use mp3blaster and run it in screen |
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| 15:30.59 | daraknor | [a-z] |
| 15:31.08 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here using VLC? and how do you invoke the gui for it? |
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| 15:31.30 | daraknor | tarzeau: [a-z] matches letters ![a-z] matches nonletters |
| 15:31.30 | Deckomx | HOla |
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| 15:31.39 | nethenson | !es |
| 15:31.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:32.34 | nethenson | cahoot: i solved the bluetooth thing.. just upgrading to the sid version of kdebluetooth :) |
| 15:32.40 | d4d0 | anybody please? |
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| 15:32.50 | pipeline | POVaddct: Heh. That also doesn't do what I want. I want to play music *at work*. The music is on my home machine. Making my home machine play music for the enjoyment of my furniture while I am at work will not do me much good. :P |
| 15:32.58 | tarzeau | daraknor: thanks |
| 15:33.03 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, it looks like bleeding edge versions of mpd can control icecast. |
| 15:33.22 | abrotman | see .. abrotman knows! |
| 15:33.45 | asg | pipeline: ssh me@home cat /path/to/foo.ogg | ogg123 - |
| 15:33.46 | POVaddct | pipeline: aha. so mount the mp3 of your home machine via sshfs or something. |
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| 15:34.36 | pipeline | POVaddct: You must be kidding. sshfs is far too slow :P |
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| 15:34.47 | pipeline | asg: now that's using your brain :) |
| 15:34.50 | daraknor | "waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "unix/:7100" refcount is 2, should be 1, fixing" |
| 15:34.51 | daraknor | That is the last line from X crashing as a normal user. Doesn't crash as root, and i ctrl alt backspace out |
| 15:35.00 | tarzeau | daraknor: but something like grep "![a-z]word![a-z]" filewithword didn't work |
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| 15:35.03 | asg | pipeline: works in a pinch though the features are minimal |
| 15:35.03 | POVaddct | pipeline: for mp3 data? no, its not too slow |
| 15:35.16 | pipeline | POVaddct: I've already been there and tried that. It is, indeed, far, far too slow. |
| 15:35.27 | pgimeno | daraknor: I get that every time without the X server crashing at all, just giving that warning |
| 15:35.34 | pipeline | POVaddct: I have a 384 kbit connection. That's 64 kb of room for overhead, including overhead required by jitter |
| 15:35.36 | POVaddct | pipeline: how is your home machine connected? |
| 15:35.39 | daraknor | tarzeau: regex is all about the quotes. |
| 15:35.48 | POVaddct | pipeline: okay |
| 15:35.52 | tarzeau | daraknor: how's the quote right? |
| 15:36.02 | pipeline | POVaddct: I'm going to do the bleeding-edge barely-works icecast+mpd thing :P |
| 15:36.06 | daraknor | pgimeno: well then i have no idea why X keeps crashing :( |
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| 15:36.17 | daraknor | tarzeau: " ' and ` all do different things |
| 15:36.36 | tarzeau | daraknor: i know |
| 15:36.44 | tarzeau | daraknor: but in my case, how's it right? |
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| 15:37.46 | feistel | hi |
| 15:37.53 | feistel | I have a problem with USB and udevd |
| 15:38.00 | feistel | I have 2 keyboards and 2 mouse (2 PS/2 and 2 USB) |
| 15:38.09 | feistel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:38.20 | abrotman | wow .. evince is bad |
| 15:38.22 | mirak | hi |
| 15:38.39 | feistel | any ideas? |
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| 15:39.01 | mirak | I want to install a system with lvm? so I just need /boot partition plus LVM, so I am wondering if there is any interest I create an extended partition |
| 15:39.12 | zf | //join #debian-zh |
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| 15:40.58 | zf | /GUI SHOW |
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| 15:43.02 | abrotman | yay dialup |
| 15:43.17 | xored | mysql: Character set 'utf8' is not a compiled character set and is not specified in the 'utf8/Index' file |
| 15:43.37 | xored | i get this message when i try to import a mysql dump with utf8. why ? |
| 15:44.44 | oboy | how can i put a process in the background using bg? i can't figure it out which is the jop_id of the process |
| 15:44.55 | oboy | job* |
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| 15:45.50 | nethenson | oboy: isn't it easier to use control-z? |
| 15:45.55 | d4t2ilL4 | does building deb pkg for kernel takes more than 20 minutes? |
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| 15:46.11 | d4t2ilL4 | or is it because i only have 256 ram? |
| 15:46.27 | oboy | isn't that for stopping a process? |
| 15:46.50 | d4t2ilL4 | ctrl + c |
| 15:47.28 | diego_amd64 | i have problems with xorg 7.0 :(, any patch to the package?????? |
| 15:47.30 | d4t2ilL4 | oboy, put a command into background? sh eggdrop& |
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| 15:49.31 | hedpe | I use ReiserFS, i accidently just deleted a file, i've changed nothing on the file system since, is there any way to recover it? |
| 15:49.42 | diego_amd64 | xserver-xorg 7.0.15 seems to be uninstallable. :( |
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| 15:50.12 | zinx | diego_amd64: welcome to sid |
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| 15:50.27 | Kraig | haha |
| 15:50.49 | oboy | #sh eggdrop& xterm => xterm execute in the foreground |
| 15:51.03 | diego_amd64 | zinx: :) |
| 15:51.19 | pgimeno | can someone please help me confirm whether my problem with xclipboard is just on my side or is a bug? |
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| 15:51.43 | pgimeno | it doesn't paste non-ASCII (20h-7Eh) characters |
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| 15:52.23 | pgimeno | oboy: "&" is a suffix; it runs in the background whatever is BEFORE the & |
| 15:53.00 | splattnik | !bts |
| 15:53.00 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 15:53.32 | POVaddct | oboy: if you want something more flexible than the shell's "&", you might want to try screen |
| 15:53.42 | abrotman | what is this .. "bts" |
| 15:54.09 | zinx | abrotman: bow to sid |
| 15:54.09 | splattnik | abrotman: bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages |
| 15:54.20 | abrotman | splattnik: there are bugs in Debian? |
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| 15:54.22 | dorel_ | mount: must be superuser to use mount |
| 15:54.23 | oboy | ok that works, but for a process that is already in the foreground, how can i put it in the bg? |
| 15:54.29 | dorel_ | how can i mount as a regular user then? |
| 15:54.39 | r_marvin | oboy: ctrl-Z |
| 15:54.45 | initech | dorel_: man fstab, use the "user" option |
| 15:54.46 | r_marvin | then 'bg' |
| 15:54.48 | abrotman | splattnik: like .. real bugs? |
| 15:54.54 | dorel_ | initech: i have the user option |
| 15:55.00 | abrotman | splattnik: why didn't they fix them all? |
| 15:55.00 | oboy | nop that dosnt work for me |
| 15:55.10 | POVaddct | oboy: which process is it? |
| 15:55.16 | oboy | wget |
| 15:55.20 | dorel_ | initech: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb vfat rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 15:55.24 | splattnik | abrotman: yes.. type init 6 to get a list of all current bugs |
| 15:55.48 | abrotman | splattnik: you can't fool me .. that will install gentoo |
| 15:55.56 | splattnik | abrotman: =) |
| 15:56.09 | abrotman | splattnik: for real ? .. i should do that? |
| 15:56.12 | thingfish | hehe you guys |
| 15:57.03 | abrotman | do i have to stop playing now? |
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| 15:57.18 | thingfish | oh no, continue please! |
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| 15:57.32 | abrotman | splattnik: can't i use init 7 instead? |
| 15:57.37 | oboy | for example i want t put amule in the bg, ctrl-z dosnt do the job, how can i do that? |
| 15:57.46 | initech | dorel_: what are the permissions on /media/usb ? |
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| 15:58.10 | splattnik | abrotman: nope.. try 0 |
| 15:58.30 | POVaddct | oboy: just tried wget with ctrl-z and bg. it works. |
| 15:58.50 | abrotman | splattnik: what's wrong with 7 .. you don't like prime numbers? |
| 15:58.54 | POVaddct | oboy: of course the wget output will be visible even if running in background |
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| 15:59.17 | splattnik | abrotman: man init |
| 15:59.19 | thingfish | I think runlevel 7 is just for gurus. |
| 15:59.29 | initech | abrotman: i always use init 6. for everything. |
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| 15:59.43 | abrotman | splattnik: man? |
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| 15:59.51 | abrotman | i thought you just said to init 6 |
| 15:59.54 | abrotman | this is confusing |
| 15:59.57 | splattnik | abrotman: :) |
| 15:59.59 | oboy | ok, i do ctrl-z to amule, then i open a console i do jobs, and there is no entry |
| 16:00.00 | thingfish | you know, like "hey man". gosh. |
| 16:00.05 | abrotman | odla: hey |
| 16:00.10 | odla | abrotman: hello |
| 16:00.11 | abrotman | odla: how's the frozen north? |
| 16:00.12 | initech | abrotman: never "man" anything - it will install viruses |
| 16:00.19 | odla | not too bad |
| 16:00.23 | POVaddct | oboy: thats why i suggested running wget in screen. you can detach the whole thing so it runs invisible in background and reattach later. |
| 16:00.23 | thingfish | hehe initech |
| 16:00.30 | odla | it's no united states :) |
| 16:00.44 | abrotman | initech: i want to man the machine gun! |
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| 16:01.04 | oboy | ok thx |
| 16:01.14 | initech | abrotman: try "man mount" first |
| 16:01.26 | Pulim | someone can tell me what is SPLASH SCREEN? |
| 16:01.36 | abrotman | initech: can you make a command called 'hole' ? |
| 16:01.49 | weasel | Pulim: annoying? |
| 16:01.49 | abrotman | Pulim: with respect to what? |
| 16:01.53 | POVaddct | Pulim: a screen that appears during the start phase of a program |
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| 16:01.56 | abrotman | weasel: besides that! |
| 16:02.14 | weasel | Pulim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splash_screen |
| 16:02.24 | initech | abrotman: you know you want to unzip && man mount. quit joking around. |
| 16:02.25 | odla | abrotman: have you gotten roped into going to debconf? |
| 16:02.37 | abrotman | odla: they rejected my demands |
| 16:02.47 | abrotman | initech: go to the jazzfest |
| 16:02.51 | odla | abrotman: what kind of demands did you make ;) |
| 16:02.54 | Kraig | darn, it's only me having problems trying to install xserver-xorg 7.0.15 ? it says subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 16:03.15 | weasel | Kraig: welcome to unstable. |
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| 16:03.21 | abrotman | odla: they they had to be nice to me ... :) |
| 16:03.34 | abrotman | that they |
| 16:03.35 | initech | odla: first, that debian would declare war on Texas. |
| 16:04.01 | odla | wow that's a pretty heavy demand |
| 16:04.20 | initech | odla: a noble one nonetheless |
| 16:04.35 | abrotman | initech: maybe war with canada would be better... |
| 16:04.42 | abrotman | oh .. i know .. we could conquer hawaii! |
| 16:04.46 | initech | no i like canada! |
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| 16:04.57 | odla | abrotman: alberta does have the second largest oil reserve in the world |
| 16:05.10 | abrotman | odla: and? ... it's probably frozen oil ... |
| 16:05.11 | POVaddct | Pulim: i cannot send you private messages |
| 16:05.15 | initech | odla: yes! we could dip debian dvd's in it! |
| 16:05.20 | POVaddct | Pulim: don't msg me |
| 16:05.30 | diego_amd64 | Kraig: i have the same problem :( |
| 16:05.34 | abrotman | !msg |
| 16:05.34 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 16:05.48 | odla | abrotman: oh no they are pumping like almost 2 million barrels a day |
| 16:05.50 | Pulim | [POVaddct]: is that screen that appears when Linux is loading? i can change that? |
| 16:05.58 | abrotman | odla: frozen oil! |
| 16:05.59 | odla | abrotman: google oilsands alberta |
| 16:06.06 | odla | abrotman: sandy oil |
| 16:06.12 | abrotman | i know what they are |
| 16:06.15 | POVaddct | Pulim: you mean the penguin in the upper left corner? |
| 16:06.29 | abrotman | but splattnik told me about init 6 .. which looks fun |
| 16:06.34 | odla | alberta is what keeps canada afloat |
| 16:07.08 | initech | odla: naw, they could just legalize pot entirely and grow it as a cash crop |
| 16:07.16 | odla | he eh |
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| 16:10.44 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:10.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 16:11.46 | loxley_ | that always cheers me up :) |
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| 16:13.54 | Kraig | haha |
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| 16:14.51 | abrotman | !root |
| 16:14.51 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 16:17.41 | Kraig | hmm... |
| 16:17.49 | ifvoid | hmm? |
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| 16:18.31 | Kraig | diego_amd64: i did something, created /etc/X11/xserver directory and scp'ed SecurityPolicy from another machine, and now i have X beeing root, i don't think is a good idea, but just testing |
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| 16:21.12 | diego_amd64 | Kraig: im going to wait for the patch, but is a good option for testing |
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| 16:22.36 | diego_amd64 | Kraig: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365353 |
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| 16:27.09 | Nowak | mhm, any way to format badsectored disk with current deb ? there used to be an option in 3.0 installer but i cant find it in 3.1 |
| 16:27.40 | LunarC | I've just dist-upgraded from sarge to etch, and updated kernels from 2.6.8 to 2.6.15, and all my fonts are suddenly much larger than they were previously |
| 16:27.48 | LunarC | how can I fix this? |
| 16:29.58 | wols_ | Nowak: run smartmontools. do not format it with badblocks |
| 16:30.33 | wols_ | Nowak: tho, if a hdd develops bad blocks, it's finished. better look for a new one |
| 16:31.12 | Nowak | wols_: its not, and thats not the answer to my question ... |
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| 16:32.39 | Kraig | ok, getting better, now, how about FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. ? |
| 16:33.01 | wols_ | Nowak: I just told you a good solution, your choice if you choose to ignore it |
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| 16:36.21 | Nowak | wols_: no, what you told is not a solution, neither smart will fix my disk nor getting new hdd, i wouldnt be here then would i ? |
| 16:37.00 | wols_ | why won't smartmontools fix it? |
| 16:37.13 | wols_ | and: if a (modern) disk develops bad sectors, it's done, finished |
| 16:37.27 | wols_ | with small disks you have a chance tho, but not for long either |
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| 16:37.58 | Angels2 | popcorn? |
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| 16:38.56 | Nowak | wols_: its a 1.2GB disk that has badsectors since i remember ... |
| 16:39.57 | wols_ | just preformat the disk and tell debian not to format it |
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| 16:42.06 | nitalaut | hi everyone |
| 16:42.09 | _zap_ | hi. does anyone "accidentally" know how to disable essid broadcast on ones wlan interface (ad hoc mode)? iwconfig does not seem to support it. |
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| 16:42.55 | jengelh | When running `alien` it says "Must run as root to convert to deb format (or you may use fakeroot)." but there's no indication on how to fakeroot with alien. |
| 16:43.00 | jengelh | in the manual, that is. |
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| 16:44.06 | nitalaut | strange thing has happened--i cannot find console php on my debian system...all packages related to php are installed but there is no php...it says "bash: php: command not found" |
| 16:44.18 | jengelh | nitalaut: called 'php5' (or php4) maybe? |
| 16:44.21 | wols_ | Nowak: php4-cli |
| 16:44.28 | Kraig | yeah, or -cli |
| 16:44.31 | nitalaut | also tried php4 |
| 16:44.44 | nitalaut | actuall i type php |
| 16:44.52 | nitalaut | and then hit TAB few times |
| 16:45.08 | nitalaut | and there is np suggestions from system... |
| 16:45.15 | Kraig | is php4-cli installed? |
| 16:45.21 | nitalaut | hm |
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| 16:45.25 | nitalaut | i'll check now |
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| 16:46.01 | nitalaut | it's not installed... |
| 16:46.06 | nitalaut | installing now... |
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| 16:46.49 | nitalaut | thanks guys =)) |
| 16:47.18 | Kraig | yw |
| 16:47.18 | nitalaut | it works now |
| 16:47.19 | nitalaut | btw |
| 16:47.30 | nitalaut | does someone know where to report bugs in debian testing... |
| 16:47.35 | nitalaut | i think i found one... |
| 16:47.48 | Kraig | !bts |
| 16:47.48 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 16:48.08 | nitalaut | thx... |
| 16:48.22 | thingfish | !reportbug |
| 16:48.22 | dpkg | i guess reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. install reportbug, then run reportbug. |
| 16:48.33 | Nowak | wols_: i dont realy see how without downloading something like knoppix ... |
| 16:48.38 | nitalaut | yes that waht i'll do |
| 16:48.57 | wols_ | Nowak: ctrl+alt+f2 in the installer |
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| 16:50.47 | Nowak | wols_: there is no badblocks proggie in debian installer ... |
| 16:50.55 | Nowak | wols_: it was in 3.0, no longer in 3.1 |
| 16:51.14 | Nowak | but hey, didnt i say exactly this in my question ? ... |
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| 16:51.35 | stjepan | can I limit download rate for apt-get? |
| 16:51.38 | wols_ | if you already knew, why were you asking? wasting our time? |
| 16:51.41 | wols_ | !sunday |
| 16:51.41 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 16:51.56 | nitalaut | -) |
| 16:52.03 | Nowak | no, waiting for some replacement / link to download 3.0 installer ... |
| 16:52.04 | nitalaut | !Monday |
| 16:52.04 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 16:52.11 | nitalaut | !monday |
| 16:52.12 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 16:52.22 | nitalaut | !tuesday |
| 16:52.23 | dpkg | from memory, tuesday is soylent green day |
| 16:52.24 | stjepan | !saturday |
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| 16:52.25 | dpkg | well, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 16:52.29 | mythica | hi guys |
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| 16:52.34 | mythica | I am trying to install a moduke |
| 16:52.36 | mythica | module* |
| 16:52.39 | nitalaut | nice channel |
| 16:52.44 | mythica | but i get weird errors when running make, make install |
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| 16:52.53 | mythica | make: *** [default] Error 2 |
| 16:52.57 | mythica | http://pastebin.com/690594 |
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| 16:53.32 | wols_ | mythica: what gcc version? |
| 16:53.38 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
| 16:53.39 | wols_ | maybe use a different one (usually an older) |
| 16:53.43 | mythica | not sure |
| 16:53.50 | mythica | how would i check ? |
| 16:53.54 | wols_ | gcc -v |
| 16:54.10 | mythica | gcc version 4.0.2 20050808 |
| 16:54.15 | wols_ | use 3.3 |
| 16:54.17 | mythica | u think i maybe need to make install using 3.4 ? |
| 16:54.22 | mythica | ok cool |
| 16:54.30 | mythica | how do you do that again? |
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| 16:54.49 | POVaddct | mythica: you must you the gcc version that was used to compile the kernel |
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| 16:55.03 | POVaddct | mythica: check gcc -v against cat /proc/version |
| 16:55.18 | mythica | gcc version 3.4.5 20050809 |
| 16:55.20 | mythica | aha! |
| 16:55.28 | mythica | POVaddct: You the man |
| 16:55.30 | mythica | thanks |
| 16:55.31 | schippes | a samba directory exported from a debian box can be used on the local network *only* if i remove the default route on the server machine. how can i fix this? |
| 16:55.40 | mythica | how do i specify to use that version in the command though ? |
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| 16:55.58 | wols_ | schippes: are both of the machines in the same subnet? |
| 16:56.09 | schippes | yes, a std 192.168.0.0 net |
| 16:56.17 | POVaddct | mythica: apt-get install gcc-3.4 ? |
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| 16:56.51 | wols_ | schippes: add the local network into the route table. it's not in ther right now? |
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| 16:57.05 | mythica | i remember seeing somewhere that you could actually specify which gcc version u want to use in the command though |
| 16:57.14 | mythica | Am I mistaken ? |
| 16:57.26 | cahoot | mythica: CC=gcc-3.4 make? |
| 16:57.29 | SonnyBurnett | hi, I just update azureus and now I see strange characters in the menus... , can you tell me what happened? |
| 16:57.33 | schippes | the server machine has this line : localnet * 255.255.255.0 U .... eth0 |
| 16:57.42 | schippes | given the route cmd... |
| 16:57.55 | wols_ | "localnet" is what exactly? |
| 16:58.14 | schippes | localnet 192.168.0.0 ( in /etc/networks) |
| 16:58.22 | mythica | Hmm, i just ran "CC=gcc-3.4 make" |
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| 16:58.26 | mythica | but I got the same error |
| 16:58.41 | DragonD | Why does php4 install apache-common? |
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| 16:58.53 | DragonD | i allready have apache2 installed |
| 16:58.55 | wols_ | mythica: do it dirty. edit the makefile |
| 16:59.09 | POVaddct | mythica: maybe the Makefile is braindead and does not honour the CC variable |
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| 16:59.18 | mythica | wols_, ok, but what would i need to edit exactly? |
| 16:59.25 | cahoot | mythica: you did make clean? |
| 16:59.31 | mythica | ill try that now |
| 16:59.31 | mythica | thanks guys |
| 16:59.45 | mythica | make clean didnt work |
| 16:59.58 | mythica | gonna try edit the makefile, but what do i need to alter/ |
| 17:00.08 | wols_ | wherver it defines the C compiler |
| 17:00.18 | wols_ | right now it probably says "gcc" |
| 17:00.29 | POVaddct | mythica: remove the build directory and untar the module sources again. then edit the makefile. |
| 17:00.31 | mythica | i dont see any "gcc" in it |
| 17:00.37 | schippes | localnet also given in /etc/resolv after the 'domain' keyword |
| 17:00.42 | wols_ | paste the file somewhere |
| 17:00.43 | mythica | POVaddct, kk |
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| 17:01.18 | schippes | i can ssh the server machine from the local net, only samba not working, but works perfectly if i remove the default route to the adsl modem on the server px |
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| 17:01.20 | schippes | pc |
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| 17:02.19 | mythica | here is the makefile: |
| 17:02.19 | mythica | http://pastebin.com/690623 |
| 17:03.15 | stjepan | is it possible to limit download rate for apt-get? |
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| 17:03.29 | POVaddct | mythica: you want to build the driver for pcmcia? |
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| 17:03.34 | SonnyBurnett | Hello, how do I remove a pkg totally, including conf files? |
| 17:03.54 | mythica | basically ye |
| 17:04.01 | mythica | its a customised module i believe though |
| 17:04.03 | odla | SonnyBurnett: apt-get remove --purge <package> |
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| 17:04.18 | mythica | Linux driver for iBurst user terminal modem |
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| 17:04.22 | Dj-Neo | Hi |
| 17:04.39 | wols_ | mythica: try "export CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 17:04.39 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: man dpkg |
| 17:04.58 | Dj-Neo | Anyone can help me please |
| 17:04.59 | Dj-Neo | ... |
| 17:04.59 | POVaddct | mythica: insert a line "CC := gcc-3.4" above the "MDIR :=..." line |
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| 17:05.56 | mythica | cool, I'll try that now |
| 17:05.57 | mythica | thankws |
| 17:06.02 | Dj-Neo | I've deleted libssl and ssh, pro-ftpd, wget, gzip are removed ... I tru to lunch apt-get install but it doesn't work |
| 17:06.11 | Dj-Neo | I receiv ethis error when i try apt-get update |
| 17:06.25 | Dj-Neo | Get:4 http://security.debian.skynet.be stable/updates/contrib Release [113B] |
| 17:06.26 | Dj-Neo | Err http://security.debian.skynet.be stable/updates/main Packages |
| 17:06.26 | Dj-Neo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.27 | POVaddct | mythica: and maybe you need the full kernel sources installed, not only the kernel headers |
| 17:06.32 | mythica | hmm same error |
| 17:06.36 | mythica | wait let me try make clean |
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| 17:07.04 | POVaddct | mythica: isn't the modem working with the standard serial_cs module? |
| 17:07.04 | mythica | hmmm, same error |
| 17:07.10 | mythica | dont think it will no |
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| 17:08.46 | wols_ | Dj-Neo: that repository is fucked. try another one |
| 17:09.14 | Noboru | I have a question please,has anyone ever tried to bind more than one dsl at home on debian to increase bandwidth ? |
| 17:09.31 | mythica | http://pastebin.com/690632 |
| 17:09.44 | Noboru | i mean,how is the actual performance ? |
| 17:09.46 | mythica | How do i make absolute sure that its using gcc 3.4 ? |
| 17:10.12 | wols_ | Noboru: it will not work |
| 17:10.33 | Noboru | wols_,why not ? i mean with a certian of router |
| 17:10.39 | wols_ | only way you can do it is routing one part of the net (a block of IPs) through interface 1 and the other through interface 2 |
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| 17:10.42 | Noboru | certain* |
| 17:11.02 | wols_ | Noboru: cause no ISP for consumers will bundle your 2 DSL connections again at the other end |
| 17:11.08 | POVaddct | mythica: you could temporary change the symlink /usr/bin/gcc to point to gcc-3.4 |
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| 17:11.31 | POVaddct | mythica: after compiling the module, set it back to gcc-4.0 |
| 17:11.37 | mythica | ok lemme give that a shot |
| 17:11.44 | Noboru | wols_,really ? i haven't called my isp about that |
| 17:11.54 | wols_ | mythica: man update-alternatives |
| 17:12.07 | simonrvn | gcc isn't under alternatives |
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| 17:12.17 | wols_ | Noboru: yes really. no one will. business customers maybe, but not for consumers |
| 17:12.30 | POVaddct | simonrvn: i know. the symlink has to be changed in /usr/bin |
| 17:12.31 | wols_ | simonrvn: doh. why not? |
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| 17:12.45 | simonrvn | also as for the symlink, you have to edit all of them, not just gcc |
| 17:13.08 | simonrvn | wols_: because |
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| 17:13.15 | mythica | hmm, how do i make sure that i have gcc3.4 installed firstly though |
| 17:13.30 | Speeder | why here are written THIS IS NOT #UBUNTU? |
| 17:13.30 | mythica | u can have both installed at the same time obviously though hey? |
| 17:13.32 | POVaddct | mythica: try: gcc-3.4 -v |
| 17:13.34 | wols_ | mythica: dpkg -l gcc |
| 17:13.41 | simonrvn | Speeder: because it isn't |
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| 17:13.57 | wols_ | Speeder: cause many ubuntu users come here to ask questions |
| 17:14.05 | mythica | ye it is working |
| 17:14.05 | Speeder | Oo |
| 17:14.07 | mythica | gcc version 3.4.5 20050809 (prerelease) |
| 17:14.08 | Speeder | Weird |
| 17:14.16 | wols_ | not wird. stupid |
| 17:14.31 | Speeder | well... not too stupid |
| 17:14.37 | Speeder | since Ubuntu is made from Debian |
| 17:14.51 | Speeder | The only Debian based distro that I like is Debian itself... |
| 17:14.53 | wols_ | !like debian |
| 17:14.55 | Speeder | EHEHeh |
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| 17:15.13 | simonrvn | because the other deb based distros don't bother editing the default channel in their irc clients |
| 17:15.19 | odla | er...how can debian be a debian based distro? |
| 17:15.47 | Kraig | sounds a bit recursive |
| 17:16.00 | POVaddct | Speeder: wrong. ubuntu has its own repositories. different repositories. |
| 17:16.04 | mythica | would it be bad t just get rid of gcc4 and use gcc3.4 ? |
| 17:16.10 | simonrvn | if it's recursive, we have to do 'DEBIAN' then ;p |
| 17:16.13 | bbrazil | Kraig: the correct term is "reflexivity" |
| 17:16.15 | mythica | this isnt the first time ive had a problems similiar to this |
| 17:16.49 | Kraig | thanks for the correction bbrazil |
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| 17:18.01 | rem__ | Hey..how can you make a rep active if you apt update and it still doesnt take it .. ? |
| 17:18.19 | odla | where's the irc channel for debian gnome located and what's it called? |
| 17:18.25 | Speeder | Ubuntu have its own repositories |
| 17:18.29 | Speeder | But looks like Debian... |
| 17:18.34 | sinisterr | anyone ever use ircd-hybrid with hybserv serveces i get this when asking chanserv for help >chanserv< help |
| 17:18.34 | sinisterr | -ChanServ- Unable to open help file < the help files are on the system any ideas |
| 17:18.36 | mythica | is it not recommended to get rid of gcc4 altogether and just stick with gcc3.4? |
| 17:18.37 | Speeder | Like Fedora and Mandriva |
| 17:18.45 | Speeder | They are not the same, but they look like one... |
| 17:18.55 | thingfish | Speeder: but then you don't go into #fedora looking for help with mandriva. |
| 17:19.58 | schippes | i can not access the samba directories exported from my debian box until i remove the default route to the adsl modem on this machine.... any hints ? i need the default route on this box. |
| 17:20.11 | strider | !#gnome odla |
| 17:20.32 | schippes | all networking *X, ssh, ping ) works perfectly between the machines |
| 17:20.38 | simonrvn | #debian-gnome iirc |
| 17:20.47 | POVaddct | mythica: some of the external drivers are not very well mantained. the readme of the ibut driver says it was developed for kernel 2.4 |
| 17:20.51 | schippes | only samba has problems |
| 17:20.51 | strider | yup, irc.gnome.org |
| 17:20.54 | rem__ | Hey..how can you make a rep active if you apt update and it still doesnt take it .. ? |
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| 17:21.03 | gary_ | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. This page needs to be updated to reflect how testing users should get the drivers. ok so when it going to get updated so etch user's can install nvidia driver? |
| 17:21.08 | odla | no one's home |
| 17:21.15 | strider | odla: #gnome-debian |
| 17:21.35 | marco13185 | gary_, have you done an apt-get update? |
| 17:21.45 | gary_ | yes |
| 17:22.01 | marco13185 | you COULD borrow them from stable or unstable |
| 17:22.25 | rem__ | Hey..how can you make a rep active if you apt update and it still doesnt take it .. ? |
| 17:22.36 | gary_ | is it in contrib non-free right now? |
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| 17:22.45 | mythica | POVaddct, hmm thanks for that - odd though i am sure i dl'ed the drivers for 2.6 |
| 17:22.47 | wols_ | rem__: more details please |
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| 17:23.10 | mythica | "No, the driver is meant for as many 2.6 kernels as possible. However, it was developed and tested on Fedora Core 3." |
| 17:23.17 | mythica | http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=18551 |
| 17:23.37 | rem__ | ok say i have 2 pc's they both have Unstable rep, the update foes ok for both, but then when i look for a package it sees it on one pc and not the other .. |
| 17:23.54 | rem__ | apparently, it updates the rep, but it doesnt look into it when i apt search or install .. |
| 17:23.55 | marco13185 | hey, is anyone else (on sid) having a problem updating xorg? I get this error: xserver-xorg failed to preconfigure, with exit status 10 As well as this later on: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.15_all.deb ( --unpack): |
| 17:23.55 | marco13185 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.55 | marco13185 | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been |
| 17:23.55 | marco13185 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:23.58 | wols_ | rem__: does it see it under "apt-cache policy packagename"? |
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| 17:24.03 | Speeder | can I ask a question? Why the damn nVidia driver do not install with Sarge? |
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| 17:24.17 | marco13185 | sorry about that, didn't think it would spread out on different lines |
| 17:24.22 | Speeder | I never got problems installing nVidia driver but with Sarge and Kurumin... |
| 17:24.23 | wols_ | Speeder: cause it's unfree software. debian can't put it in main |
| 17:24.23 | jetscreamer | you didnt do it right |
| 17:24.36 | thingfish | Speeder: installs fine. /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:24.40 | rem__ | one pc yes the other not .. |
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| 17:24.43 | jetscreamer | /join #nvidia |
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| 17:25.04 | rem__ | but i see the rep updating in apt update .. ! |
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| 17:25.48 | rem__ | btw thanx ure the first one answering ,...in many channels .. |
| 17:25.53 | GutterPunk | Gnea, sorry to bother you again with this. I really have no idea where to start with sfdisk |
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| 17:26.24 | GutterPunk | And gpart thinks after running it that there are no partitions defined, even though the drive is full of data |
| 17:26.30 | marco13185 | It's probably a stupid question, but what's the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade (I'm assuming upgrade upgrades a single package?) |
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| 17:27.39 | mythica | cool i got it working guys :) |
| 17:27.42 | streuner | marco13185: man apt-get would tell you about |
| 17:27.42 | mythica | just removed everything |
| 17:27.43 | thingfish | marco13185: dist-upgrade is better at handling changes in dependencies. man apt-get. |
| 17:27.48 | POVaddct | mythica: how? |
| 17:27.51 | mythica | the re untarred |
| 17:27.56 | mythica | then added the gcc line |
| 17:28.02 | mythica | the ran it |
| 17:28.20 | mythica | something boggy must have been floating around |
| 17:28.26 | mythica | thanks for the help guys |
| 17:29.00 | POVaddct | mythica: though it seems to be an obscure device. a "user terminal wireless modem". what's that? |
| 17:29.04 | thingfish | marco13185: dist-upgrade is also used when moving to upstream Debian versions, like sarge->etch |
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| 17:29.52 | L33TrDaNu | hey all. I hit the 32000 ext3 fs limit for how many files can exist in a directory |
| 17:29.58 | L33TrDaNu | I hit this on a RHEL4 machine |
| 17:30.02 | L33TrDaNu | however, on a Ubuntu machine I have, I have 88,000+ files in a single directory |
| 17:30.06 | L33TrDaNu | and both filesystems are ext3 |
| 17:30.10 | L33TrDaNu | would Ubuntu had to have modified the ext3 source before compiling it into kernel to support more files ? or am i going crazy? |
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| 17:30.25 | bucky | L33TrDaNu: do you have a debian question? |
| 17:30.30 | smr | why my network interface has ip 169.254.145.40 and it still works? |
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| 17:30.42 | smr | I'm using 192.168.2.0/24 network |
| 17:31.03 | L33TrDaNu | bucky: ubuntu is derived from debian. =) It is more a general linux question I believe, but #linux isn't on freenode or says says my irssi |
| 17:31.08 | wols_ | smr: your dhco is broken |
| 17:31.14 | bucky | !based on debian |
| 17:31.15 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 17:31.17 | xfan | ext3 are the same on debian or anywhere |
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| 17:31.38 | wols_ | L33TrDaNu: try ##linux |
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| 17:32.00 | smr | wols_, other versions work (stable, windows) |
| 17:32.02 | L33TrDaNu | bucky, that is a horrible answer. My question isn't specific to a distribution, it revolves around how can someone have more then X numbers of files on an ext3 partition |
| 17:32.05 | L33TrDaNu | thx wols_ |
| 17:32.19 | smr | and like I said, 169... ip works also |
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| 17:32.24 | L33TrDaNu | i see no #ext3 channel either, should I wait until one exists and ask there |
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| 17:32.25 | wols_ | smr: a 169... IP is when dhcp doesn't get a proper IP from the dhcp server |
| 17:32.30 | bucky | L33TrDaNu: you're not running debian... try #redhat |
| 17:32.36 | bucky | or #ubuntu |
| 17:32.51 | smr | wols_, I'm IRCing using that 169... ip now |
| 17:32.55 | yertman | Can I get some help with configuring Windowmaker here? |
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| 17:32.59 | smr | I know it is reseved for that use |
| 17:33.01 | thingfish | or even #rhel |
| 17:33.02 | L33TrDaNu | bucky, actually, i am running debian 3.1 on the box to my left. my workstation is ubuntu, and my server to the right is rhel4 |
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| 17:33.31 | kspath | L33TrDaNu: You are also forgeting all the resources for linux at websites, mailing lists, mailing list archives and wikis... |
| 17:33.39 | cahoot | L33TrDaNu: might be a wild/wrong guess - google for file-max |
| 17:33.41 | xfan | on #rhel all are dump |
| 17:33.41 | bucky | L33TrDaNu: so how many files can you put in a directory on your debian 3.1 box? |
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| 17:34.26 | L33TrDaNu | bucky: i dont know. I am running reiserfs on that box =( |
| 17:34.37 | Niklas_E | can you get xorg though apt-get? |
| 17:34.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm so cool |
| 17:35.00 | kspath | L33TrDaNu: In that case. Why are you here? |
| 17:35.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: you live in switzerland |
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| 17:35.12 | Jozhu | hi. |
| 17:35.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: hm.. yes. so? |
| 17:35.19 | kspath | abrotman: I live in a state of denial. |
| 17:35.21 | Niklas_E | I mean xorg-6.9 |
| 17:35.27 | L33TrDaNu | kspath: because this channel usually has some of the smartest folks i know, like abrotman |
| 17:35.27 | abrotman | kspath: it's nice there .. |
| 17:35.50 | wols_ | L33TrDaNu: we can tell that you aren't |
| 17:35.55 | Jozhu | i did it by http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Boot+Root+Raid+LILO-3.html#ss3.1 <this, but i can't get it to boot from hdC. So it's a raid1, booting from hdaA works, but not from hdC (e.g.if hda is broken). any idea? |
| 17:36.14 | Jozhu | it freezes at "verifying DMI pool data.." and nothing else appear.. |
| 17:37.26 | L33TrDaNu | wols_: that i *aren't* what ? |
| 17:37.26 | wols_ | smart |
| 17:37.26 | L33TrDaNu | wols_: lol |
| 17:37.27 | L33TrDaNu | wols_: that must be it |
| 17:37.27 | kspath | L33TrDaNu: Does linux have sysctl? |
| 17:37.27 | tarzeau | kspath: of course |
| 17:37.27 | wols_ | if you were, you knew by now that this is not channel for anyone running ubuntu or rh and who has problems with them |
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| 17:37.40 | L33TrDaNu | wols_: wols_ ... again pointing out, my question is about ext3 |
| 17:38.17 | bucky | !sunday |
| 17:38.17 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 17:38.39 | kspath | L33TrDaNu: It is not a question about running ext3 with a Debian system. Ubuntu is not debian. Redhat is not debian. There are a lot of resources that can lead you to the truth about file systems if you choose to use them. |
| 17:38.42 | wols_ | L33TrDaNu: it doesn't matter what your question is about. you are not running debian so it's the wrong place to ask, period |
| 17:38.48 | xfan | i think is a right question, ext3 are always the same |
| 17:38.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you notice something about http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ ? |
| 17:39.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not on it ? |
| 17:39.25 | bucky | !seen abrotman |
| 17:39.25 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (6h 20m 5s). Has said a total of 145 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 17:39.33 | abrotman | bucky: they're reset daily now |
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| 17:39.59 | bucky | abrotman: L33TrDaNu was looking for you because you're one of the smartest people he knows |
| 17:40.11 | L33TrDaNu | kspath: wols_ . well thanks for your suggestions. I apologize for thinking that some of smarter folks I knew were in this channel. apparently they must take sundays off, and let the benchwarmers try to answer questions in a hostile manner |
| 17:40.21 | abrotman | bucky: i don't remember him .. bu toh well |
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| 17:40.49 | bucky | another 30 minutes explaining why debian is not ubuntu or redhat |
| 17:40.51 | kspath | hehehe hostile |
| 17:41.04 | Speeder | huh |
| 17:41.10 | Speeder | nvidia driver ask for the header |
| 17:41.11 | kspath | People do not know what hostile is. |
| 17:41.14 | Speeder | then it ask for a file... |
| 17:41.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: what am i supposed to notice? |
| 17:41.18 | Speeder | and it still do not work |
| 17:41.32 | abrotman | hrm .. nvidia sucks . imagine that |
| 17:41.40 | bucky | these people take over networks and give microsoft a good name |
| 17:41.49 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 17:41.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: the latest upload field? |
| 17:42.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: there's nothing there |
| 17:42.32 | jetscreamer | then supply --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 17:42.32 | zinx | Speeder: Why not just use the debian packages? |
| 17:42.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're blind |
| 17:42.45 | clars | can I copy more than one fil at the time with 2scp" |
| 17:42.52 | clars | can I copy more than one fil at the time with "scp" |
| 17:42.56 | jetscreamer | Speeder: /join #nvidia, no help for nvidia.run here |
| 17:42.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: the columns don't line up |
| 17:43.02 | kspath | clars: Yes. |
| 17:43.05 | POVaddct | clars: scp file1 file2 user@host: |
| 17:43.09 | thingfish | Speeder: did you read the factoid dpkg showed you, the nvidia one-liner one? |
| 17:43.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: screenshot and mark it with red in ms-paint |
| 17:43.17 | redmonkey | how often would you recommend to upgrade a debian testing system? |
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| 17:43.40 | clars | okay but I wanna copy the hole dir and all the many files in it |
| 17:43.41 | jetscreamer | redmonkey: apt-get install cron-apt |
| 17:43.56 | jetscreamer | and apt-listbugs |
| 17:43.56 | POVaddct | clars: if you need to browse the remote hosts directories, use sftp user@host instead |
| 17:44.02 | kspath | clars: I should answer that as, scp is capable of it and I would like to assume you are capable of using scp. |
| 17:44.14 | POVaddct | clars: scp -r ... man scp |
| 17:44.15 | robert83a1 | hello,I've installed apache on debian sarge , what do I need to install in order to get php in it ? (like rh's httpd httpd-php) |
| 17:44.17 | redmonkey | jetscreamer, thank you |
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| 17:44.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: just make the last column <td style="text-align:right">-36</td> |
| 17:44.29 | robert83a1 | also does apt-get has a provides or search, like yum provides wget ? |
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| 17:44.42 | Speeder | thingfish I do not tested the one line yet |
| 17:44.44 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search something |
| 17:44.44 | wols_ | robert83a1: apt-cache |
| 17:44.50 | robert83a1 | thanx |
| 17:44.57 | robert83a1 | and about php? for apache? |
| 17:45.02 | thingfish | Speeder: it's the proper Debian way to do it. |
| 17:45.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll add goatse pictrues for future changelog entries |
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| 17:45.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:45.29 | jetscreamer | note they don't mention that glx seems borked with the debian flavor of nvidia-glx |
| 17:45.40 | jetscreamer | or was 2 weeks ago |
| 17:45.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: in opera .. no gridlines |
| 17:45.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: in FF .. gridlines |
| 17:45.51 | thingfish | Speeder: do /msg dpkg xmd5 if you've edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:45.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: opera is broken? |
| 17:46.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: or your CSS is |
| 17:46.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: send me a patch |
| 17:46.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's your html :) |
| 17:46.50 | robert83a1 | oh, libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 17:47.53 | andrea_b_ | hi guys |
| 17:47.59 | andrea_b_ | got some problem with Mesa/OpenGL |
| 17:48.14 | bucky | robert83a1: you do know that libapache-mod-php4 is for apache 1.3 |
| 17:48.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: not really a big deal .. just took a second to realize what was going on |
| 17:48.26 | bucky | libapache2-mod-php4 is for apache2 |
| 17:48.37 | robert83a1 | ohthanx! |
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| 17:50.38 | Vader | geia sas paidia..? |
| 17:50.52 | bucky | !gr |
| 17:50.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, gr is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
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| 17:51.06 | Vader | o k |
| 17:51.07 | gnufan | Bah - cups on unstable -- it stopped working -- can't send any jobs to printer. Printer was disabled. Jobs listed as nothing since Jan01 00 00. I purged cupsys, reinstalled, and now it no longer shows me the HP PSC 1400 as an available printer in the GNOME printer admin panel. Where as before purging it showed me two HP PSC 1400 entries. I just want the one. Or should I reboot, or reload USB and see if this helps? |
| 17:51.10 | Vader | Hello to all |
| 17:51.11 | Vader | of u .. |
| 17:51.26 | wols_ | !u |
| 17:51.26 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:51.34 | Vader | do i need to have install X Windows on a windows 200 PC |
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| 17:51.46 | Vader | in order to use X forwarding..? |
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| 17:52.40 | DataTheAndroid | hi. I have all ports forwarded to my Debian PC. I have a Windows PC on my local network. I want to host something (temporarily, really) with the Windows PC but I don't want to have to change the router around just to do it. Is it possible to setup the firewall of my Debian in a way so it'll forward any packages on port 5000 to my local IP? |
| 17:52.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you serious .. you have a DD that hasn't uploaded in 2371 days? |
| 17:52.47 | abrotman | !2371/365 |
| 17:52.47 | dpkg | 6.495890410959 |
| 17:52.53 | abrotman | dude .. that's like .. slink |
| 17:53.06 | gnufan | DataTheAndroid: Yes that is possible -- called "port forwarding" |
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| 17:53.35 | DataTheAndroid | I'm using Webmin 1.180 on my server. Would it be possible to do it with that? I have Linux Firewall control using it |
| 17:53.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 17:53.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: iceconf is the package |
| 17:54.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: 6+ years? |
| 17:54.28 | DataTheAndroid | I have "Do nothing", "Accept", "Drop", "Reject", "Userspace", "Exit chain", "Log packet" and "Run chain". Will any of those do? |
| 17:54.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 17:54.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: fun eh? |
| 17:55.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: does he .. do anything anymore .. email or anything? |
| 17:55.36 | gnufan | DataTheAndroid: never used webmin in anger -- maybe -- you'll find plenty of example on the net, mostly people forwarding port 80 on to an internal web server. Hmm port 5000 -- not a chess server is it ;) |
| 17:55.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: there's over 250 maintainers that haven't uploaded ... *anything* in over a year |
| 17:56.24 | gnufan | Hey uploading is only one of the ways to help... |
| 17:56.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't know. feel free to ask him? |
| 17:56.44 | tarzeau | gnufan: yeah maybe they translated a big chunk of stuff ;) |
| 17:56.47 | abrotman | gnufan: i'm well aware of that |
| 17:56.57 | abrotman | gnufan: they also have open bugs on thier packages |
| 17:57.01 | DataTheAndroid | www.datatheandroid.com/firewall_linux.png -- anything in that? |
| 17:57.14 | abrotman | though .. tarzeau's page doesn't differentiate between a minor bug and an RC bug |
| 17:57.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeps, not so easy |
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| 17:58.49 | gnufan | DataTheAndroid: try that DNAT section... but sometimes think the GUIs get in the way for this sort of thing. |
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| 17:59.43 | robert83a1 | hmm,I did the following apt-get install apahce2 libapache2-mod-php4 php4 what else do I need because the php page is still not displayed correctly... ? |
| 18:00.06 | gnufan | USB device number... is that suppose to change everytime I switch my USB printer off and on? |
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| 18:01.54 | wols_ | robert83a1: what is displayed? |
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| 18:02.14 | robert83a1 | do you want to save file ? |
| 18:02.18 | robert83a1 | that is displayed :) |
| 18:02.26 | abrotman | did you restart apache? |
| 18:02.36 | robert83a1 | I think I'll be better of to try this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/357 |
| 18:02.53 | robert83a1 | atleast I can reuse the apache php part... will try that if I really-really fail will come back |
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| 18:03.43 | wols_ | robert83a1: that's the mime type then |
| 18:04.18 | DragonD | how do i make apache2 use ssl? |
| 18:04.25 | DragonD | for https |
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| 18:04.46 | sepski | DragonD, look at the ssl example site in /usr/share/doc/apache2/ |
| 18:05.06 | pipeline | DragonD: Read the apache2 documentation. Seriously. (The easiest way, incidentally, is to set up a virtualhost that answers all requests on port 443...) |
| 18:05.38 | Jozhu | heh. when i enter 'lilo' it powers off hda. and hda: DMA timeout follows. i also have the same dma problem occuring randomly when the system is up and the system freezes some secs after this. WDF!? |
| 18:05.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: you have non-utf8 data .. i can't even validate it |
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| 18:06.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not my fault |
| 18:06.33 | abrotman | that's what they all say |
| 18:06.51 | DragonD | pipeline: the virtual host is exatly what i'm going to do |
| 18:06.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you tell me where? |
| 18:06.57 | abrotman | line 1217 |
| 18:06.58 | bucky | robert83a1: did you uncomment AddType application/x-httpd-php .php in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and restart apache? |
| 18:07.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fio.debian.net%2F%7Etar%2Fbugstats%2Findex.cgi&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&sp=1&verbose=1 |
| 18:07.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you tell me the email name? |
| 18:07.15 | DragonD | hoe so i view a .gz file with less? |
| 18:07.23 | abrotman | <tr bgcolor="#fde3ea"><td>1161</td><td><a href="http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=vigu@debian.org">Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [vigu@debian.org]</a> (vigu) <a href="http://people.debian.org/~vigu/"><img src="arrow.gif" border=0></a> </td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.05</td><td>0</td><td>-</td><td>1.0</td><td>-</td></tr> |
| 18:07.23 | DragonD | nvm |
| 18:07.42 | abrotman | bucky: a2enmod |
| 18:07.43 | sepski | DragonD, zless |
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| 18:08.30 | bucky | abrotman: it should do that when you apt-get libapache2-mod-php4 unless you tell it not to |
| 18:08.48 | DataTheAndroid | uh |
| 18:09.02 | robert83a1 | ok |
| 18:09.04 | abrotman | bucky: hey .. dont' ask me .. i'm just telling you that oyu can use a2enmod |
| 18:09.21 | StereoSkit | dudes, i have and old laptop with a pcmcia ehternet card, now that i upgraded to testing the card is not working anymore, any idea on how to fix this? |
| 18:09.40 | DataTheAndroid | www.datatheandroid.com/firewall_linux2.png like so? because it's not working |
| 18:09.51 | bucky | abrotman: that just makes the soft link from mods-available to mods-enabled |
| 18:10.07 | abrotman | bucky: and it should have a conf file in there |
| 18:10.31 | bucky | abrotman: do you have libapache2-mod-php4 installed? |
| 18:10.41 | abrotman | bucky: not on this machine |
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| 18:10.58 | bucky | abrotman: what does /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load say? |
| 18:11.34 | abrotman | bucky: are you going to make me use ssh ? |
| 18:11.36 | bucky | or /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf |
| 18:11.46 | gnufan | DataTheAndroid: why not just use the command line? http://linux-ip.net/html/nat-dnat.html I think you want example 5.6 |
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| 18:12.24 | abrotman | bucky: what are you trying to say? |
| 18:12.25 | gnufan | I think I'm going for a reboot... crude -- but hey it works sometimes -- BRB |
| 18:12.27 | abrotman | !tell Fox-on about root |
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| 18:12.45 | bucky | abrotman: where is the mime type for php defined? |
| 18:12.45 | StereoSkit | dudes, eth0 has dissapear since i upgraded from stable to testing in an old laptop with a pcmcia eth card, any idea on how to correct this? |
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| 18:13.03 | abrotman | bucky: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 |
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| 18:13.06 | abrotman | not good enough ? |
| 18:13.07 | krnl`- | hi |
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| 18:13.19 | bucky | abrotman: in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf or /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ? |
| 18:13.26 | abrotman | bucky: in php4.conf |
| 18:13.36 | abrotman | which should be getting included after you run a2enmod |
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| 18:13.43 | krnl`- | my deb box has a host fot two weeks, but hosts ttl is 1 hour. how can i empty dns cache on client side? |
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| 18:14.01 | bucky | abrotman: then why isn't robert83a1's not working? |
| 18:14.11 | abrotman | bucky: it's sunday? :) |
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| 18:14.30 | plasmoduck | how do I make phpsysinfo load in apache? it keeps trying to save it |
| 18:14.44 | goron | I "upgraded" X. When I started a 3d application its performance was very bad. glxgears has good performance though. Any ideas? |
| 18:14.49 | bucky | robert83a1: you can only run pages out of /var/www with php in debian unless you change the config |
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| 18:14.52 | abrotman | hi welcome to #php .. we'll fix all of your non-debian problems |
| 18:15.18 | robert83a1 | ok |
| 18:15.37 | StereoSkit | damn, noone will help /o\ |
| 18:15.38 | gnufan | plasmoduck: save it -- do you mean via your browser -- just enabled PHP on your webserver -- or did I miss something |
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| 18:15.54 | abrotman | bucky: he should also clear cache and restart browsers |
| 18:15.58 | pipeline | goron: Reboot. You probably have an old kernel driver and a new X11 driver loaded. |
| 18:16.10 | Spliffster | does any one know how to run an xconsole in a gnome panel ? |
| 18:16.17 | abrotman | xterm ? |
| 18:16.19 | bucky | robert83a1: put <?php phpinfo(); ?> in a file called /var/www/phpinfo.php and navigate your browser to http://localhost/phpinfo.php |
| 18:16.23 | abrotman | in the panel? or from the panel? |
| 18:16.31 | Spliffster | in the panel |
| 18:16.37 | abrotman | /var/www/apache2-default/phpinfo.php |
| 18:16.47 | robert83a1 | got it thank you |
| 18:16.50 | abrotman | Spliffster: isnt' the panel kind of small ? |
| 18:17.00 | bucky | abrotman: he skips the redirect by defining the file |
| 18:17.10 | abrotman | good enough for me! |
| 18:17.14 | abrotman | stupid redirect |
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| 18:17.14 | Spliffster | robert83a1: i want to use a 200px panel at the bottom |
| 18:17.18 | DataTheAndroid | it didn't work. |
| 18:17.38 | abrotman | Spliffster: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org .. but i don't think you can |
| 18:17.44 | DataTheAndroid | I did "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 5000 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.2.4 |
| 18:17.46 | Spliffster | ok ty |
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| 18:17.50 | DataTheAndroid | ". But it didn't work |
| 18:17.51 | bucky | robert83a1: you're welcome.. do i get a star now? |
| 18:17.52 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 18:17.53 | dpkg | from memory, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 18:18.26 | bucky | robert83a1: tell abrotman to handle all apache2 and php4 questions from now on |
| 18:18.37 | abrotman | bucky: eh ? |
| 18:18.45 | abrotman | bucky: what did i do? |
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| 18:18.58 | abrotman | bucky: i don't think i helped at all |
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| 18:19.26 | DataTheAndroid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:20.38 | bucky | !seen mwilson |
| 18:20.39 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 194d 21h 14m 16s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 18:20.57 | abrotman | bucky: i'm not mwilson! |
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| 18:21.22 | |ryan| | anyone know how to scroll up in BitchX? |
| 18:21.27 | abrotman | pgup ? |
| 18:21.34 | |ryan| | thanks |
| 18:21.42 | Zarla | Hello All |
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| 18:21.48 | abrotman | use irrsi? :) |
| 18:21.52 | POVaddct | |ryan|: switch to irssi anyway :) |
| 18:22.27 | Zarla | Is somebody knows where the device-mapper store the LVM config ? |
| 18:22.35 | Zarla | I received this error message at boot |
| 18:22.37 | Zarla | device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: d@uk.sistina.com |
| 18:22.38 | Zarla | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.44 | |ryan| | heh |
| 18:22.57 | Zarla | And the vg grpvol0 has been deleted. |
| 18:23.08 | MikePer | hello. is the debian disk 1 sufficient to create a T-DSL connection over PPPoE? |
| 18:23.11 | abrotman | be a good reason not to be able to find it |
| 18:23.28 | |ryan| | T-DSL? |
| 18:23.35 | |ryan| | what is T-DSL? |
| 18:23.41 | MikePer | sorry, it's the german ADSL version |
| 18:23.52 | abrotman | tmobile-dsl! |
| 18:23.53 | |ryan| | I would expect it to. |
| 18:24.00 | POVaddct | MikePer: i think it is |
| 18:24.08 | abrotman | the netinst is enough |
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| 18:25.58 | MikePer | I need to upgrade my router to debian, so there is no internet connection possible till I installed the pppoe. is there something I might be missing with only disk1? |
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| 18:28.58 | MikePer | well, will try it, thanks |
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| 18:34.49 | marco13185 | any good apps for windows media player videos? |
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| 18:35.28 | abrotman | !tell marco13185 about mplayer |
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| 18:36.24 | marco13185 | abrotman, so they don't package mplayer because it's politically incorrect? That's nice |
| 18:37.09 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 18:37.09 | dpkg | from memory, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 18:41.56 | plasmoduck | When I try to connect to my cgiirc I get: *** Access Denied: No connections allowed |
| 18:42.02 | plasmoduck | how do I fix that/ |
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| 18:43.21 | cheal | marco13185: rm? |
| 18:43.46 | ne0futur | plasmoduck: perhaps you IP reached the max number of connections allowed to freenode |
| 18:44.08 | ne0futur | I had to negociate cith freenode to have more than 10 irssi and cgiirc to freenode on my server |
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| 18:47.09 | plasmoduck | ne0futur no no no |
| 18:47.15 | plasmoduck | it's a different server |
| 18:47.20 | plasmoduck | it does that for every server |
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| 18:47.48 | Brox | i know i'm a wuss for saying so - but i'm really having huge trouble printing from a windows machine onto a printer connected to a debian machine... I did everything according to http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html but no matter how much i mess about - the printer just wont print... ;( |
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| 18:48.18 | plasmoduck | did you install CUPSD? |
| 18:48.45 | Brox | you mean cupsys? |
| 18:49.25 | abrotman | yes he does |
| 18:49.31 | ne0futur | plasmoduck: perhaps you firewall ? |
| 18:49.37 | Brox | thats not the problem - i can successfully print on the debian machine. Just printing on a laptop connected to the network is impossible for me... |
| 18:49.39 | ne0futur | outgoing irc ? |
| 18:50.03 | Brox | ne0futur, what port does printing use? |
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| 18:50.43 | Brox | somehow i don't think thats the problem |
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| 18:51.22 | Brox | anyway as a firewall i'm using iptables |
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| 18:51.31 | Tomze | portmap... would it be stupid to disable it ? |
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| 18:52.23 | bbrazil | Tomze: depends. Are you using NFS or KDE? it's probably best to make sure it's just firewalled off |
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| 18:53.37 | Tomze | bbrazil: i use KDE - so why should i keep it running if you dont min to explain |
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| 18:54.04 | bbrazil | Tomze: parts of KDE depend on it, it's to do with file moniroting |
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| 18:54.59 | mythica | where do i find the modules configuration file? |
| 18:55.05 | mythica | on fedora i know its /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 18:55.44 | bbrazil | mythica: /etc/modprobe.d, add a 'local' file and run update-modules |
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| 18:55.54 | Tomze | bbrazil: okay... funny cause i never had problems when i disabled it... but today i wanted to know instead og guessing |
| 18:56.06 | mythica | bbrazil, how do you mean add a local file |
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| 18:56.22 | bbrazil | Tomze: it'll slow kde down, but shouldn't cause problem aiui |
| 18:56.29 | bbrazil | mythica: a file called 'local' |
| 18:56.43 | Tomze | okay... thanks |
| 18:58.18 | mythica | bbrazil, Thanks. I am following an install guide, they want me to add a whole lot of stuff to the modprobe file, so i just pop it straight into modprobe.d? Its emtpy at the moment (this is a new install so is that right) ? |
| 18:58.23 | zea_ | hi all. I'm mounting an ntfs drive read-only, as root. how do I make the mount point readable to normal users? the perms get changed to dr-x------ as soon as I mount. |
| 18:58.32 | bbrazil | mythica: assuming sarge, yes |
| 18:58.40 | bbrazil | !ntfsrw |
| 18:58.41 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. see <ro-ntfs> |
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| 18:58.47 | bbrazil | !ntfs |
| 18:58.47 | dpkg | [ntfs] Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 18:58.58 | bbrazil | zea_: ^^ |
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| 18:59.29 | zea_ | bbrazil: that was not my question |
| 18:59.33 | mythica | thanks |
| 18:59.43 | zea_ | !read-ntfs |
| 18:59.43 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 19:00.48 | abrotman | bbrazil: ask about captiventfs! |
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| 19:01.34 | bbrazil | abrotman: I just got my factiods mixd up |
| 19:01.46 | abrotman | bbrazil: it will be fun! |
| 19:02.57 | zea_ | bbrazil: thanks |
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| 19:03.23 | abrotman | bbrazil: not brave enough? |
| 19:04.00 | mythica | bbrazil, i am running ubuntu |
| 19:04.07 | mythica | does the same still apply? |
| 19:04.17 | mythica | (and yes i already asked in the Ubuntu channel - they clueless) |
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| 19:05.07 | BucSleep | any rdtool users in chan? |
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| 19:07.09 | BucWheat | err rrdtool |
| 19:08.35 | bbrazil | mythica: probably |
| 19:08.45 | bbrazil | abrotman: no ntfs partitions |
| 19:08.55 | abrotman | eh? |
| 19:08.59 | mythica | cool thanks :) |
| 19:09.08 | abrotman | bbrazil: you were supposed to ask the bot about captiventfs :) |
| 19:09.22 | bbrazil | If I must... |
| 19:09.26 | bbrazil | !captiventfs |
| 19:09.26 | dpkg | well, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
| 19:09.46 | bbrazil | !factinfo captiventfs |
| 19:09.46 | dpkg | captiventfs -- last modified at Tue Mar 8 02:01:25 2005 by chealer!chealer@chealer.student.supporter.pdpc; it has been requested 39 times, last by abrotman at Thu Nov 24 19:29:56 2005. |
| 19:09.56 | abrotman | i was not the last! |
| 19:10.01 | abrotman | oh well |
| 19:10.29 | abrotman | !factinfo #debian captiventfs |
| 19:10.29 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as #debian captiventfs; deleted because we don't have factoid_value!, abrotman |
| 19:10.32 | abrotman | bah |
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| 19:11.24 | mythica | how do you list all interfaces? eth0 / ath0 etc.. ? |
| 19:11.34 | bbrazil | mythica: ifconfig -a |
| 19:11.34 | r_marvin | ifconfig -a |
| 19:11.36 | mythica | thanks |
| 19:11.58 | mythica | hmm, whats a sit01 ? |
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| 19:12.34 | bbrazil | mythica: 6in4 tunnel |
| 19:12.50 | mythica | what is that? |
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| 19:13.01 | mythica | ru123456 |
| 19:13.05 | mythica | whoops |
| 19:13.17 | mythica | wrong window |
| 19:13.21 | mythica | ru123456 |
| 19:13.24 | mythica | lol argh sos |
| 19:13.28 | Angels2 | :P |
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| 19:15.43 | r_marvin | bbrazil: by the way, how do i get rid of sit0? |
| 19:16.00 | bbrazil | r_marvin: I assume you'd have to recompile the kernel |
| 19:16.14 | bbrazil | it doesn't do anu harm, so it's easier to leave it there |
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| 19:16.24 | r_marvin | oh, there's no easy, /etc/modules.conf , way to do it? |
| 19:16.45 | mythica | how do you get to task manager in gnome ? |
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| 19:17.40 | blazedbong | where can i find deb src files? |
| 19:17.55 | blazedbong | i'm a slackware user trying to compile spiralsynth with the latest gcc |
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| 19:18.36 | bbrazil | blazedbong: packages.debian.org |
| 19:18.50 | blazedbong | thanks man.. |
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| 19:20.16 | Phroziac | hey, what would it take to set my debian machine up to print to a network printer with samba? |
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| 19:20.51 | rohan | the xserver-xorg not upgradable bug in sid still exists ? or is it my pc ? |
| 19:20.53 | bbrazil | Phroziac: you don't need samba at all. Cups can handle that |
| 19:21.13 | kingsley | Phroziac: Have you seen http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/samba.htm? |
| 19:21.42 | Phroziac | bbrazil: even though the printer is hooked up to a windows machine? |
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| 19:21.49 | Phroziac | kingsley: no. i'll look. |
| 19:22.16 | bbrazil | Phroziac: yes, CUPS uspports that the last time I checked. There's certainly no need to run samba as a server |
| 19:22.33 | Phroziac | bbrazil: well, i'm not planning on running it as a server for that. :) |
| 19:22.36 | bbrazil | Phroziac: you'll probably need libs and what not, but they'll be pulled in automatically |
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| 19:23.02 | cahoot | Phroziac: this might also be useful: http://www.linuxprinting.org/till/printing-tutorial/tut.html |
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| 19:27.08 | tc_ | hi, somebody would tell me why i can not see any smb shares from network/nautilus??? please |
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| 19:28.32 | nono31 | is X broken today? |
| 19:28.34 | Phroziac | hmm, the printing tutorial seems to be about ethernet connected printers and local printers. |
| 19:28.37 | Tomze | tc_: fiewall ? |
| 19:28.48 | Phroziac | (mine's a usb printer connected to a windows machine, and shared) |
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| 19:29.14 | Tomze | nono31: unstable and xorg 7 ? - there is some info at wiki.debian.org |
| 19:29.39 | nono31 | Tomze: sweet, startx just doesnt work |
| 19:29.48 | nono31 | xorg package is not installable |
| 19:30.20 | Tomze | nono31: i guess its xorg 7 that is the problem... its not bad - check the wiki :) |
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| 19:30.36 | bbrazil | Phroziac: goto http://localhost:631 manage printer, add printer |
| 19:30.41 | nono31 | has "xorg" package been replaced by "xserver-xorg" one? or it is just 2 different package |
| 19:30.51 | Tomze | nono31: i guess its xorg 7 that is the problem... its not bad - check the wiki :) |
| 19:30.51 | bbrazil | Phroziac: when ask the printer type, SMB is the last option |
| 19:30.56 | Phroziac | ok |
| 19:31.05 | Tomze | nono31: w-window-system is now called xorg |
| 19:31.10 | Tomze | grrr |
| 19:31.35 | bkudria | ifvoid: fy, the the dnsmasq is either a bug in the program, or a kernel bug, and the authoer and i are trying to figure it out...i still appreciate your help, though! |
| 19:31.36 | bboett_ | hello! offtopic i presume but i don't know anymore where to ask: i am having a pcmcia saa7134 card that doesn't issue sound... |
| 19:31.56 | ifvoid | bkudria: ok |
| 19:32.00 | nono31 | so I can't install x-window-system anymore. I need to install "xorg" package? (that can't be installed due to broken dependencies) |
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| 19:32.21 | ifvoid | nono31: i think it's obsolete |
| 19:32.21 | pingouin | printing is really painfull under linux :/ |
| 19:32.24 | bkudria | does anyone know what the plans on XGL are, now that xorg 7.0 *is* in? |
| 19:32.26 | Tomze | nono31: yes... put as i said before - read the wiki |
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| 19:32.34 | ifvoid | nono31: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 19:32.48 | nono31 | bbrazil: SMB means samba? |
| 19:33.09 | Velte | I installed debian again on a new harddisk, the old is still left as hd2 and slave, how to access it? |
| 19:33.12 | streuner | dpkg, smb |
| 19:33.12 | dpkg | i heard smb is Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see CIFS, or Super Mario Brothers |
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| 19:33.18 | bbrazil | nono31: kinda |
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| 19:33.23 | tc_ | Tomze, i just install debian with testing packages ... so i dont know, but i can see with smbclient |
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| 19:33.46 | ifvoid | Velte: your new harddisk should be /dev/hdb |
| 19:34.10 | ifvoid | (depending on whether it is master or slave, on which IDE interface it it on, and whether it is SATA or PATA) |
| 19:34.10 | Tomze | tc_: is firestarter or guarddog installed then try to look at some settings in those |
| 19:34.21 | pingouin | Velte: you have to check /etc/fstab and had you're drive in, as a mount point (man mount/ fstab) |
| 19:34.34 | pingouin | Velte: s/had/add |
| 19:34.42 | pingouin | my poor english :/ |
| 19:34.50 | nono31 | apt-get -u install xorg |
| 19:34.59 | nono31 | xorg: Depends: xfonts-base (>= 1:1.0.0-1) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 19:35.32 | Velte | same IDE as master disc, PATA |
| 19:35.43 | nono31 | bbrazil: I tried to make a HP LJ 1020 at work this way, but the only result I had was printing blank pages... :-( |
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| 19:36.37 | vin` | tarzeau: bubbles! |
| 19:36.43 | tc_ | Tomze, but i can see smb shares throught console with command smbclient |
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| 19:37.00 | Velte | dosn't look like its listed in fstab |
| 19:37.04 | tarzeau | vin`: hehe :) not now |
| 19:37.05 | tc_ | Tomze, so you thinks it's the problem of the firewall? |
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| 19:37.42 | vin` | tarzeau: ok. ;) |
| 19:38.53 | Tomze | tc_: i just remeber haveing problems with windows shares when useing firestarter or guarddog.. |
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| 19:39.30 | Tomze | tc_: try to disable to see... if it works you need to change some settings |
| 19:39.54 | gnufan | Rats -- getting there with my printer problems -- can't share a printer. Seems that cupsys is listening for TCP on 127.0.0.1 and UDP on 0.0.0.0 on port 631... How do I configure cupsd.conf to get it to listen on tcp 631 on 0.0.0.0 or did I miss something? All my attempts just get me a socket already in use error?! |
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| 19:40.32 | tc_ | but i dont have firestarter or gaurddog installed ... |
| 19:40.48 | tc_ | i just install x-window-system-core and gnome-core |
| 19:40.49 | bbrazil | gnufan: I'm guessing you aren't restarting cups properly |
| 19:41.01 | gnufan | bbrazil: properly being .....?? |
| 19:41.07 | vin` | tarzeau: btw, I'm all armed now, DRI gives fps like never before and got 640Kb downstream, so watch out. :P |
| 19:41.15 | bbrazil | gnufan: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 19:41.21 | Velte | just add line to fstab with: "/dev/hdb1 /media/olddisc ext3 defaults 0 1"? |
| 19:41.28 | gnufan | bbrazil: can I have another guess ;) |
| 19:41.34 | pingouin | Velte: you have to ADD it in your fstab by hand, creating an rep /mnt/my_drive_whatever give the good rights to access |
| 19:41.41 | Tomze | tc_: then i dont know... hmm :) |
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| 19:42.00 | tc_ | Tomze, it's ok. thanks. |
| 19:42.01 | gnufan | bbrazil: it doesn't like my "lIsten" syntax I suspect |
| 19:42.06 | bbrazil | gnufan: there's cupsys hanging around. kill it |
| 19:42.11 | ifvoid | Velte: yes, that shoudl work |
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| 19:42.14 | pingouin | Velte: then, make the /dev/hdxxx point /mnt/my_drive_whatever in the fstab |
| 19:42.26 | tarzeau | vin`: hahaa :) be in #bub-n-bros |
| 19:42.33 | tarzeau | vin`: tomorrow you've got time? |
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| 19:42.54 | vin` | tarzeau: will make time. |
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| 19:43.24 | Velte | how to reload whats in fstab? |
| 19:43.35 | tarzeau | Velte: mount -a |
| 19:43.37 | vin` | Velte: mount -a |
| 19:44.03 | Velte | mount point /mnt/olddisc does not exist it said |
| 19:44.12 | ifvoid | Velte: mkdir -m0 /mnt/olddisk |
| 19:44.18 | ifvoid | and then try again |
| 19:45.03 | Velte | sweet, it worked... thanks guys! :) |
| 19:45.30 | ifvoid | you're welcom |
| 19:45.32 | ifvoid | e |
| 19:45.51 | gnufan | bbrazil: hmm it just worked third time I tried -- maybe a typo.... I'm still slightly unclear how the client magically picks up the printers from the server. I understand it is a broadcast packet from the server. But what has to listen to the broadcast, just "cupsys-client" or something else. I want it presented to a user in GNOME, so they can just print to my printer |
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| 19:46.08 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 19:46.25 | ifvoid | gnufan: I think that happend by default if you install cupsys on the client |
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| 19:46.39 | spanglesontoast | I'm not bashing debian but why does vi not function the same way it works in other distros? |
| 19:46.40 | ifvoid | gnufan: it'll pick up all broadcasts automatically |
| 19:46.45 | nono31 | bbrazil: why aren't you in #debian-br ? |
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| 19:46.49 | ifvoid | spanglesontoast: how does it differ? |
| 19:46.58 | wmhtet | can anyone tell me a linux audio application (like Adobe Audition) for linux |
| 19:46.59 | gnufan | ifvoid: will it add them to the GNOME printer list? |
| 19:47.14 | ifvoid | gnufan: the gnome thing is just a frontend for cups |
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| 19:47.18 | wmhtet | I have installed Ardour GTK |
| 19:47.27 | ifvoid | cupsd picks up the broadcast and adds it to its list |
| 19:47.30 | spanglesontoast | well I can't see it |
| 19:47.32 | ifvoid | and gnome just uses that |
| 19:47.32 | spanglesontoast | for starters |
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| 19:47.39 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.53 | ifvoid | spanglesontoast: you can't see what? |
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| 19:48.00 | spanglesontoast | any of the text |
| 19:48.09 | ifvoid | uh |
| 19:48.10 | ifvoid | that's wierd |
| 19:48.27 | cahoot | wmhtet: http://linux-sound.org/ |
| 19:48.27 | arabian | i have read this http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 19:48.31 | ifvoid | so you do "vi /etc/fstab" and vi doesn't show anything? |
| 19:49.00 | spanglesontoast | well I can see faint green text |
| 19:49.04 | spanglesontoast | but I am sshed in |
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| 19:49.14 | gnufan | ifvoid do I need to persuade the client to listen on something other than 127.0.0.1 as well? |
| 19:49.18 | vin` | xen3 ain't in sid yet? dpkg still says 2.0.6-1 |
| 19:49.23 | wmhtet | cahoot: thx |
| 19:49.27 | POVaddct | spanglesontoast: <ESC> :syntax off |
| 19:49.28 | arabian | but is thats meen that i have to install x11-common first or xorg ? help |
| 19:49.43 | arabian | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 19:49.53 | ifvoid | gnufan: I guess so, but afaik, it does that automaticcaly on a fresh install |
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| 19:50.21 | ifvoid | spanglesontoast: seems you have vim rather than a "normal" vi |
| 19:50.31 | spanglesontoast | ah |
| 19:50.33 | ifvoid | spanglesontoast: :set bg=dark could also help |
| 19:50.50 | ifvoid | or install nvi, if you like just plain old vi |
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| 19:51.39 | runa_ | how can i create dvd image |
| 19:51.46 | spanglesontoast | ok |
| 19:51.54 | rikva | Hi all. I am running a Debian Sarge server, and I noticed that, since a while, the networkspeed of upload/downloading files doesn't get above the 3Mb/ps. This is over all protocols (sftp, samba). What could cause this limit? The network is 10base100. |
| 19:51.54 | vin` | did anyone else have the Ctrl-Alt-Function keys not working with a keyboard variant set as mentioned on the wiki or is it just me? if not, I'm gonna get rid of it. |
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| 19:51.57 | ifvoid | runa_: growisofs, iirc |
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| 19:52.17 | ifvoid | runa_: or use a nice frontend like gnomebaker or k3b |
| 19:52.25 | vin` | for xorg7 that is. |
| 19:52.41 | ifvoid | vin`: are you sure your alt is really and alt, and not super or meta or mod4? |
| 19:52.44 | bbrazil | nono31: becasue I don't speak portugese |
| 19:52.48 | ifvoid | vin`: xev can show you |
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| 19:53.10 | vin` | ifvoid: I had it on a pastebin, lemme see. |
| 19:53.18 | cheal | vin`: xen 3 is in sid |
| 19:53.28 | vin` | !info xen |
| 19:53.35 | dpkg | xen: (a Virtual Machine Monitor like VMWare or plex86.), section misc, is extra. Version: 2.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 449 kB, Installed size: 1500 kB |
| 19:53.46 | runa_ | can u tell me how growisofs can create image files |
| 19:53.48 | vin` | isn't that the package? |
| 19:53.52 | runa_ | i couldnt find |
| 19:54.11 | mythica | how would i check the results of update-modules |
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| 19:54.15 | cheal | !tell vin` about info xen-utils-3.0 |
| 19:54.22 | mythica | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.28 | DragonD | Is there an eisier way to manage bind? |
| 19:54.46 | pollywog | anyone know how I can get f-spot installed on Debian testing? |
| 19:54.53 | ifvoid | runa_: man growisofs |
| 19:54.53 | pollywog | maybe it is not possible |
| 19:55.09 | ifvoid | runa_: the examples are really pretty clear |
| 19:55.17 | clars | min nslu2 box wiht debian is running "passwd" everytime I connect to box by SSH - how do I stop it? |
| 19:55.21 | vin` | ifvoid: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2435 |
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| 19:55.35 | ifvoid | clars: probably a pam modules |
| 19:55.49 | skrewz | runa_: You'll want to use mkisofs? |
| 19:55.52 | ifvoid | clars: check out /etc/pam.d/ssh and /etc/security/ |
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| 19:56.56 | clars | ifvoid, oki |
| 19:56.59 | spanglesontoast | that's the issue I have when I just type anything |
| 19:57.13 | eguzkia | ciao |
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| 19:58.25 | gnufan | ifvoid: hmm I see zilch port 631 network traffic. I think I have no broadcasts.... hmm back to editing the cupsd.conf file I fear |
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| 19:59.10 | spanglesontoast | it kinda overwrites most things |
| 19:59.12 | vin` | cheal: but that's just the admin tools ain't it? |
| 19:59.17 | spanglesontoast | on the vi I used I could press |
| 19:59.24 | spanglesontoast | the i key |
| 19:59.27 | spanglesontoast | and then type stuff in |
| 19:59.40 | ifvoid | spanglesontoast: works the same way in vim |
| 19:59.51 | vin` | !vi basics |
| 19:59.51 | dpkg | vi is a modal editor: it has insert, replace and command modes. You start in command mode. Press "i" to enter insert mode, and ESC to go back to command mode. "dd" deletes a line, and "x" deletes a character. Save-and-exit with "ZZ". |
| 20:00.09 | spanglesontoast | yea |
| 20:00.10 | cheal | vin`: I have no clue about xen |
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| 20:00.38 | spanglesontoast | theres only the package vim not vi weird |
| 20:00.43 | rikva | How can I measure my network (speed) performance? |
| 20:00.48 | tarzeau | rikva: iptraf |
| 20:00.53 | vin` | cheal: then why are you making the bot tell me cruft? :) |
| 20:01.07 | rikva | tarzeau: thanks! |
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| 20:02.27 | runa_ | skrewz: how can i use mkisofs to write a dvd image |
| 20:02.28 | cheal | vin`: cruft? this package is new from this week |
| 20:03.00 | fusQuanto | anyone here run unstable + gallery2? i upgraded and stuff broke :( |
| 20:03.03 | vin` | cheal: yes sirr! |
| 20:03.10 | runa_ | skrewz: because the file system doesnt let me because the file image is too big |
| 20:03.48 | vin` | rikva: try jnettop as well. |
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| 20:04.31 | rikva | vin`: thanks. They are both pretty handy apps |
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| 20:05.19 | stagger | hi |
| 20:05.36 | gnufan | ifvoid: Ah finally -- I needed to manually set the BrowseAddress "@LOCAL" didn't hack it. |
| 20:05.42 | pollywog | anyone know how I can get f-spot installed on Debian testing? |
| 20:05.56 | stagger | how can change terminal buffor? i would like to be able to scroll more text using shit+pageUP |
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| 20:07.09 | Brox | it works!!! |
| 20:08.11 | Brox | everyone remember: if you want to make your printing over network between linux and windows servers work us this: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/quick-samba-howto.xml |
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| 20:09.03 | cahoot | fusQuanto: sid or testing? |
| 20:09.10 | DragonD | is there a way to make anything.domain.net point to an A recored? with out adding an A record for ever subdomian? |
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| 20:10.36 | clars | ifvoid, What is Im looking for inn /etc/pam.d/ssh ? |
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| 20:12.04 | ifvoid | clars: some setting of pam_unix as password authenticator, I think |
| 20:12.27 | zea_ | anyone been able to install flash on 64bit firefox? |
| 20:12.32 | usual | is there a way to install sid from the start? without a dist-upgrade? |
| 20:12.36 | fusQuanto | cahoot: sid |
| 20:12.41 | usual | justa minimal net install or something |
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| 20:12.58 | ifvoid | usual: debootstrap |
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| 20:13.10 | ifvoid | usual: but that'll put it in a chroot |
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| 20:13.15 | usual | k |
| 20:13.17 | r_marvin | or netinstall images |
| 20:13.19 | cahoot | fusQuanto: running gallery2.1.1 on testing here so the problem isn't with gallery per se I'd say |
| 20:13.23 | ifvoid | zea_: flash doesn;t exists for 64 bit |
| 20:13.29 | r_marvin | or cd's from ftp.fsn.hu |
| 20:13.34 | usual | will net install allow me to change sources.list |
| 20:13.45 | fusQuanto | cahoot: did you have issues with mysql and passwords? did you have to run gallery setup again? |
| 20:13.49 | fusQuanto | after the pupgrade |
| 20:13.53 | r_marvin | there were nightly builds for sid, iirc |
| 20:14.02 | cahoot | fusQuanto: glitchless upgrade |
| 20:14.29 | fusQuanto | im jealous :( |
| 20:14.53 | clars | ifvoid, I got this line: Standard Un*x password updating. |
| 20:14.53 | clars | @include common-password |
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| 20:15.52 | roler | is there a program like tidy that formats standard code like php? |
| 20:15.57 | ifvoid | clars: yeah, that's what's forcing you to change your password |
| 20:16.04 | ifvoid | you probably set it to expire |
| 20:16.09 | pipeline | roler: emacs |
| 20:16.21 | roler | eww. :) |
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| 20:16.41 | kristalino | how can i switch from an ext2 partition to an ext3 partition without loosing data ? |
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| 20:16.47 | kristalino | convert |
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| 20:18.31 | cahoot | kristalino: man tune2fs on how to add a journal |
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| 20:18.41 | kristalino | cahoot, thanks |
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| 20:19.22 | cahoot | kristalino: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm |
| 20:19.24 | pe | hi. I'm (pretty) sure there's a command-line tool in debian to transcode a video then stream it over a network in udp with no need of vlc. Am I wrong ? |
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| 20:19.26 | kristalino | cahoot, how can i test if a file system is already ext2 or ext3 ? |
| 20:20.01 | r_marvin | is there a way to conveniently track and seed some files with bittorrent as a daemon? |
| 20:20.11 | cahoot | kristalino: mount it (and check mount) |
| 20:20.12 | pipeline | r_marvin: No. |
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| 20:20.26 | pipeline | r_marvin: Most trackers homebrew their daemons and don't exactly give the code away. |
| 20:20.27 | loxley_ | kristalino: if mounted, just df -T |
| 20:20.36 | r_marvin | right now i use screen and manually run btdownloadheadless and bttrack |
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| 20:20.56 | r_marvin | but a /etc/torrents.d/ would be nice ;) |
| 20:21.02 | kristalino | cahoot,l loxley_ these methods aren't reliable |
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| 20:21.50 | kristalino | dmesg |grep ext : EXT2-fs warning (device hda1): ext2_fill_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2; VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). |
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| 20:22.16 | xerophyte | is there any replacement for the atalk on linux to share the file with mac os boxes ?? |
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| 20:24.54 | roler | any othe rcommand line code formatting tools? |
| 20:24.54 | pe | xerophyte : If desperate, try installing an ftp server. If not yet, well, good luck |
| 20:25.01 | ifvoid | pe: memcoder, probably |
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| 20:25.40 | vin` | roler: ie. something like vim or emacs? |
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| 20:25.46 | cahoot | kristalino: man dumpe2fs? |
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| 20:26.19 | roler | vin`, ; how do I do it in vim? |
| 20:26.27 | r_marvin | kristalino: debugfs /dev/ice , and use the command "feature" at the prompt. if it says has_journal, it's ext3 |
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| 20:26.36 | xerophyte | pe does samba replace it |
| 20:26.37 | xerophyte | just wondering |
| 20:26.57 | vin` | roler: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:26.58 | kristalino | r_marvin, ok. Can i use it on a mounted FS ? |
| 20:27.05 | strider | roler: indent |
| 20:27.07 | Kyley | this is offtopic but how many pennys in a UK pound? |
| 20:27.12 | pe | ifvoid : funnily, the people on #mplayer told me I had to use vlc, which I won't cause vlc is a port of windows software, therefore it makes a heavy use of ram. Plus the mencoder doc only refers to recording a stream. Thanks anyway... |
| 20:27.12 | r_marvin | yes, just don't try any funny stuff :) |
| 20:27.22 | kristalino | ok :) |
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| 20:27.46 | pe | Kyley : wikipedia should give you this vital information |
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| 20:28.22 | r_marvin | kristalino: man && help thoroughly before trying anything you don't fully know on filesystems |
| 20:28.38 | ifvoid | pe: ok, no idea then |
| 20:28.52 | kristalino | r_marvin, "Filesystem features: has_journal filetype sparse_super large_file" |
| 20:28.55 | kristalino | ;/ |
| 20:29.01 | r_marvin | ext3, then |
| 20:29.26 | vin` | Kyley: in firefox, type 'g pennies to pounds' and hit enter. ;) |
| 20:29.29 | kristalino | any explanation, why my dmesg isn't happy ? |
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| 20:30.11 | r_marvin | you probably have "ext2" instead of "ext3" in fstab |
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| 20:30.37 | pipeline | xerophyte: Why not just use netatalk? It'll do appletalk over TCP, which works pretty goddamn well. |
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| 20:31.02 | roler | indent may work |
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| 20:31.37 | pe | Kyley : I only know it used to be a non-standard currency, in the sense that the greedy algorithm does not give an minimal amount of coins when you want to pay an exact amount of money |
| 20:32.24 | roler | thanks |
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| 20:35.02 | Kyley | yea ifound the wikipedia after i asked |
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| 20:35.15 | juliomam | How can I send stdout to multiple volumes (1GiB per volume)? |
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| 20:35.36 | foo | I tried to mount a device ... it froze... can't kill the pid. kill -9 does not work. Anything else I can do or must I restart? |
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| 20:37.18 | pe | foo : you mean your system is completely frozen, or just the process ? |
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| 20:38.47 | foo | pe: Just the mount process. But because of it, I can't mount anything else, I don't think. |
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| 20:39.35 | pe | foo : I don't know exactly how mount is made, but I won't reboot or try to kill it unless I'm ready to screw my disk up |
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| 20:40.28 | pe | but I think you can just let it run, and mounting something else in the same time is (in my opinion) possible |
| 20:41.08 | foo | I don't think so... I just tried to mount something, and mount just froze. |
| 20:41.17 | foo | I'd have to kill the xterm to get it to go away. |
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| 20:41.31 | foo | It's a usb hard drive or something ... no hda|b|c|d |
| 20:42.06 | r_marvin | foo: check dmesg |
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| 20:42.35 | pe | foo : even so, it's possible to damage it. |
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| 20:43.14 | RodrigoRJ | alguem do brazil aqui? |
| 20:43.18 | r_marvin | the device has probably gone to sleep, and the process is in D state |
| 20:43.21 | r_marvin | !br |
| 20:43.21 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:44.34 | plb | has anyone got nvidia to work on xorg 7? I keep getting unknown module type, 6 when trying to use nvidia |
| 20:44.40 | WillyWortel | What's a good way to backup al multi-user system? |
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| 20:45.12 | foo | r_marvin, pe: Damage what? And lsusb froze too. |
| 20:45.17 | r_marvin | plb: i just did yesterday, with the one-liner method |
| 20:45.20 | foo | Dmesg shows nothing. |
| 20:45.30 | plb | hm |
| 20:45.33 | r_marvin | weird |
| 20:45.38 | gog | juliomam, split |
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| 20:47.36 | plb | after it sets up nvidia it says nvidia.ko is not an elf object |
| 20:47.36 | juliomam | gog:Thanks! That's what I want. |
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| 20:49.19 | plb | I got all these nvidia files that say they are not an ELF file |
| 20:49.22 | plb | argh |
| 20:49.28 | Spudchat | hi, im having a problem with proftpd, when i installed it there wasnt a /etc/init.d/proftpd made, and it seems impossible to remove it now |
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| 20:51.23 | foo | What's the older keyboard jack called again? Not ps/2, but the older one. I think it was for AT boards. |
| 20:51.26 | ifvoid | Spudchat: I don;t understand. dpkg -P proftpd shoudl just remove it |
| 20:51.33 | ifvoid | foo: DIN? |
| 20:51.41 | ifvoid | not sure what the offical name is though |
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| 20:53.12 | foo | ah. |
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| 20:53.32 | ifvoid | DIN is some german technical naming authority, iirc |
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| 20:54.01 | Spudchat | ifvoid: can you look in #flood for a minute? |
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| 21:01.08 | arabian_ | shold i use deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian unstable main or deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib |
| 21:01.36 | mentor | arabian_: That depends on whether you want software from the contrib section or not. |
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| 21:02.13 | WillyWortel | Debian Etch show every time another loginsceen everytime, how to choose on by myself? |
| 21:02.13 | arabian_ | menko, i need xorg7 |
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| 21:02.57 | zea_ | hi. I'm going to add an entry on grub config so I can boot winxp (with ntfs partition) with only the commands rootnoverify (...), chainloader +1 and boot. do I need to worry about ntfs being changed to ntfs hidden? |
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| 21:04.51 | cheal | WillyWortel: what do you mean by "choose on"? |
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| 21:05.53 | avonej | What program should I use to mount a BIN/CUE image file? |
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| 21:06.06 | mentor | avonej: mount? |
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| 21:06.24 | zea_ | avonej: mount -t type image_file /directory -o loop=/dev/loop0 |
| 21:06.24 | avonej | Hmm, mount was only working for ISO files and not this CUE |
| 21:06.24 | stagger | how can i remove xserver-xorg? i have done something wrong during update from xorg 6.9 to 7.0 and now i'm unable to uninstall it even with --force-all. |
| 21:06.25 | mentor | Wille88: Which display maanger are you using? |
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| 21:06.39 | mentor | avonej: a .cue is a text file. |
| 21:06.44 | mentor | avonej: the .bin is data |
| 21:06.59 | avonej | Yes but how would it read mult-track discs |
| 21:07.10 | mentor | stagger: What error message? You will probably have to fix the pre-rm/post-rm scripts. |
| 21:07.13 | avonej | I have a mixed mode BIN/CUE... first track is data and the other tracks are audio |
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| 21:07.27 | avonej | So it needs the information in the CUE to work properly |
| 21:07.40 | stagger | mentor yeah, your'e right, there are some errors from preconfiguration scrpits |
| 21:07.42 | mentor | avonej: hum. dunno. You probably need to use another utility to split out one track |
| 21:07.56 | mentor | avonej: The kernel doesn't know about CD strucutre in files. |
| 21:08.04 | avonej | BIN/CUEs use iso9660 still though, right? |
| 21:08.10 | mentor | avonej: Yes. |
| 21:08.20 | mentor | avonej: You just need to get the right data section. |
| 21:08.30 | Kupal[]_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.42 | mentor | avonej: Well, actually they use whatever data fromat the CD uses, which is is09660 |
| 21:09.12 | stagger | it says: erorr when prepering new xorg configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new; not attempting to update existiong configuration |
| 21:09.34 | mentor | stagger: That shouldn't be a fatal error. |
| 21:09.38 | stagger | i have tried to remove that conf, to create new using instrucitons on debian wiki, but it doesn't help |
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| 21:09.53 | avonej | mentor: You say use another utility to split the data... what data splitting are you referring to? |
| 21:09.58 | mentor | stagger: what command are you running |
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| 21:10.35 | avonej | mentor: It's the Quake CD, which is mixed mode and has game data on track one and audio tracks on the rest (ie tracks 2-11 are playable in a CD audio player). |
| 21:10.38 | stagger | i have tried manually by dpkg --force-all -purge, also aptitude, synaptic |
| 21:11.08 | avonej | mentor: While the data is stored in the BIN file, the information about where each track starts and ends is in the CUE file... |
| 21:11.51 | avonej | So to get it working properly I imagine I would need a utility to read the CUE file, which I think is beyond the capabilities of mount... |
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| 21:12.19 | mentor | avonej: yes. You need another utility to extract the tracks. |
| 21:12.57 | avonej | mentor: Okay, well I don't necessarily want to extract the tracks though, just mount it an a sort of "virtual drive" so i can read all tracks |
| 21:13.02 | mentor | stagger: Paste the output in #flood |
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| 21:13.36 | Kupal[]_ | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-patch-bootsplash/kernel-patch-bootsplash_2.6.16-1.dsc is so vague |
| 21:13.41 | Kupal[]_ | which bootsplash? |
| 21:13.54 | stagger | eee.... i know i should know this when i'm using sid... but..... how can i paste output? |
| 21:14.04 | stagger | nevermind.... i will type it by hadn ;) |
| 21:14.18 | mentor | stagger: er. |
| 21:14.26 | mentor | stagger: Command line or X? |
| 21:14.32 | stagger | command line |
| 21:14.43 | mentor | avonej: ... |
| 21:14.54 | mentor | stagger: Do you have gpm installed? |
| 21:15.08 | stagger | no, no mouse |
| 21:15.21 | mentor | stagger: not especially easy then |
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| 21:15.35 | stagger | ok, there isn't much of that ;) |
| 21:15.43 | mentor | feck |
| 21:15.46 | avonej | mentor: Just imagine it the sme as if I wanted to do a "mount -o loop *ISO FILE* /mnt/iso/" except it's a BIN/CUE file with multiple tracks which mount cannot handle. |
| 21:15.54 | avonej | Is there a program to do this? |
| 21:15.56 | nono31 | anyone using xfce here? |
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| 21:16.34 | mentor | avonej: You need another utility to extract the tracks. |
| 21:16.36 | jind | avonej, convert the cue file to iso with bchunk |
| 21:16.53 | jind | Possibly, not definately |
| 21:17.15 | avonej | jind: I don't think the ISO format can support images with multiple tracks. |
| 21:17.21 | mentor | stagger: Did you output it already. |
| 21:17.33 | mentor | avonej: INTO SEPERATE FILES. |
| 21:17.41 | jind | Maybe you can outout to several isos' ? |
| 21:17.48 | avonej | mentor: I'm sorry, I seem to be confused... why are you telling me to extract data? I only want to mount it? |
| 21:17.50 | avonej | Ah |
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| 21:18.16 | mentor | avonej: Because mount can't handle files with multiple CD tracks. |
| 21:18.30 | strider | stagger: you could use irssi or something to cat the log to #flood |
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| 21:18.33 | foo | eh. Why do I always have problems using ftp.debian.org mirrors for a net install. |
| 21:18.34 | avonej | There *must* be a utlity that can mount BIN/CUE files without going through the hassle of splitting up each track first and mounting them one by one |
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| 21:18.55 | stagger | underprocess preremoval scirpt has returned error code1 \n xserver-xorg config-warning: migraging xserver-xfree86 debconf values to xserver-x \ /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst: line 1652: dexconf: command not found |
| 21:18.58 | k-god | arabian_: Get an answer to your quiestion yet? |
| 21:19.00 | stagger | and there more: |
| 21:19.04 | avonej | mentor: Exactly, I don't plan on using mount, I'm wondering if another utlility exists that *can* mount multi-track images |
| 21:19.11 | mentor | stagger: debconf not found? |
| 21:19.18 | k-god | stagger: /msg dpkg paster |
| 21:19.25 | k-god | stagger: ... and running as normal user or root? |
| 21:19.49 | k-god | stagger: Also check your path, ensure /sbin and /usr/sbin are on it. |
| 21:19.54 | mentor | avonej: Look for one. I don't think one exists which is why I'm telling you to do it this way. |
| 21:20.01 | foo | I run lsusb and it hangs. ps shows 2 mount's ... I think something is up. I plug in my digital camera and get nothing in the logs, like I used to. Any ideas? Do I need to reboot? |
| 21:20.03 | k-god | avonej: What mentor said. |
| 21:20.03 | vin` | foo: do other mirrors work? |
| 21:20.11 | mentor | avonej: The problem being with the linux kernel loop interface. |
| 21:20.12 | k-god | avonej: mount or losetup in general. |
| 21:20.14 | mythica | how would i find the chipset type of my pci > pcmcia card? |
| 21:20.22 | k-god | mythica: lspci or dmidecode |
| 21:20.41 | k-god | mythica: Also sometimes 'cardmgr info' IIRC, RTFM. |
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| 21:21.01 | mentor | foo: strace lsusb to see where it hangs |
| 21:21.02 | foo | vin`: It's weird. ftp.debian.org works .. but after it grabs the hdlist.gz, and then tries to install a package, it just hangs. hmm |
| 21:21.04 | vin` | avonej: are you trying to play that file? mplayer can play .bin iirc. |
| 21:21.15 | mentor | foo: HAve you run out of disk space or something? |
| 21:21.19 | foo | vin`: Looks like it either worked, or didn't work. |
| 21:21.38 | k-god | foo: Then use another mirror. |
| 21:21.48 | foo | mentor: nioctl(4, USBDEVFS_CONNECTINFO |
| 21:21.53 | foo | mentor: hangs there. |
| 21:22.07 | stagger | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.07 | vin` | foo: is this a fresh install? |
| 21:22.21 | stagger | that are all errors |
| 21:22.32 | foo | mentor: http://pastebin.com/691107 |
| 21:22.35 | foo | vin`: yes |
| 21:22.36 | k-god | stagger: Have you modified your xorg.conf by hand? If so, read the instructions at the top of the file. |
| 21:22.42 | avonej | vin`: It's the Quake CD, so it's mixed mode. The first track is the game data and the other tracks are CD Audio. |
| 21:22.48 | foo | vin`: I've had this issue on several occasions. Debian 3.1ra IIRC |
| 21:22.54 | stagger | i have modified it, many times, and nvidia installer has also |
| 21:22.57 | k-god | stagger: There's a system in place for preventing overriding of manually configured conffiles. |
| 21:23.11 | k-god | stagger: Then read the file and follow instructions. |
| 21:23.25 | k-god | stagger: Essentially it's got an md5sum stashed somewhere under /var. |
| 21:23.29 | mentor | foo: Looks like it's having IO problems to your device. check kern.log? |
| 21:23.48 | stagger | i have used md5sum as it was explained in debian wiki |
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| 21:24.03 | k-god | mentor: Also have him look at dmesg and /var/log/messages FWIW. |
| 21:24.16 | foo | mentor: kern.log is empty. |
| 21:24.22 | foo | mentor: already checked |
| 21:24.30 | mentor | foo: empty...like compltetly? |
| 21:24.41 | mentor | stagger: is debconf installed? |
| 21:24.52 | stagger | yeah |
| 21:24.53 | avonej | mentor: Oohh, I think I found something; fyi: http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:25.25 | mentor | stagger: Is it in $PATH? |
| 21:25.27 | stagger | so the only thing i have to do is get default xorg.conf file? right? |
| 21:25.31 | azeem | stagger: is this pure Debian or some derivative? |
| 21:25.38 | stagger | it's pure debian |
| 21:25.39 | k-god | stagger: Read the damned conffile. |
| 21:26.05 | k-god | stagger: I'm not on a Debian box w/ x.org on it ATM so I can't tell you what it says. I can tell you to read it. |
| 21:26.10 | azeem | /usr/bin/dexconf x11/x11-common,x11/xserver-common |
| 21:26.13 | stagger | i have tried all my best making xorg.conf look like before, but it doesn't help |
| 21:26.16 | vin` | stagger: probably nvidia fuckage. |
| 21:26.25 | MatBoy | is there still a quake-version for linux ? quake4 ? |
| 21:26.52 | mentor | dexconf? |
| 21:26.54 | mentor | cool |
| 21:27.10 | mentor | stagger: apt-get install xserver-common ata a guess |
| 21:27.17 | vin` | mentor: been peddling it here since a year. dexconf is nice. |
| 21:27.34 | k-god | mentor: His problem is that he's got a modified conffile and dpkg-reconfigure won't touch it, *AND* he won't follow directions to fix that. |
| 21:27.56 | stagger | no, it doesn't work, depenicies |
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| 21:28.02 | foo | mentor: 0 /var/log/kern.log - yup |
| 21:28.14 | stagger | i just want to remove one package :/ |
| 21:28.16 | mentor | k-god: A modified conffile shouldn't be a fatal error. Not finding dexconf miught be |
| 21:28.20 | vin` | foo: nothing in /var/log/messages too? |
| 21:28.27 | mentor | foo: Are you sure you have some free space on your drive? |
| 21:28.46 | mentor | stagger: Which dependencies? |
| 21:28.48 | k-god | mentor: dpkg claims dexconf is obsolete. Either dpkg is wrong or he may be trying the wrong thing. |
| 21:28.52 | vin` | foo: maybe try a reboot, udev might need one. unsure. |
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| 21:28.56 | foo | vin`: Apr 30 13:58:39 localhost -- MARK -- - several of these with different timestamps. |
| 21:29.04 | mentor | dpkg dexconf |
| 21:29.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dexconf is obsolete, just like dexter. Ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 21:29.10 | k-god | mentor: I give up. /msg dpkg clues for the clueful |
| 21:29.14 | streuner | !tell foo about mark |
| 21:29.15 | vin` | why is it obsolete? |
| 21:29.19 | k-god | !troubleshooting x |
| 21:29.19 | dpkg | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum" |
| 21:29.20 | stagger | many of them, as i said i have done worng upgrade from 6.9 to 7 |
| 21:29.48 | foo | streuner: thanks |
| 21:29.56 | foo | mentor: http://pastebin.com/691117 - yup |
| 21:29.57 | k-god | What's the :0 x.org logfile? |
| 21:30.16 | k-god | The troubleshooting x factoid's incomplete. |
| 21:30.19 | ifvoid | k-god: Xorg.0.log |
| 21:30.23 | ifvoid | or somehting like that |
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| 21:31.06 | mentor | stagger: What does dpkg say? non-zero error returned from script? |
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| 21:31.35 | abrotman | !troubleshooting x =~ s/"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"/"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"/ |
| 21:31.35 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 21:31.40 | abrotman | bah |
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| 21:31.56 | k-god | ifvoid: "something like that" isn't good enough for a factoid ;-) |
| 21:32.01 | k-god | !troubleshooting x |
| 21:32.01 | dpkg | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum" |
| 21:32.07 | abrotman | !troubleshooting x =~ s#/var/log/XFree86.0.log#/var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log# |
| 21:32.07 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 21:32.09 | abrotman | better? |
| 21:32.12 | k-god | abrotman: Thanks ;-) |
| 21:32.14 | k-god | !beer abrotman |
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| 21:32.31 | vin` | !abrotman |
| 21:32.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 21:32.41 | abrotman | that wasn't useless! |
| 21:32.49 | mentor | Oh bugger |
| 21:32.57 | foo | !foo |
| 21:32.58 | dpkg | [foo] the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 21:32.59 | mentor | GNOME has stopped doing what I say |
| 21:33.02 | stagger | ok, i'm just desperate... i have run dpkg -force isntall :/ |
| 21:33.02 | ifvoid | k-god: Xorg.0.log |
| 21:33.11 | k-god | ifvoid: scrollback ;-) |
| 21:33.14 | vin` | mentor: xfce |
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| 21:34.18 | mentor | vin`: ugh |
| 21:34.18 | vin` | mentor: ion |
| 21:34.18 | mentor | vin`: GNOME is the closest thing to what I want. |
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| 21:34.20 | vin` | mentor: I somehow can't get used to gnome, anything but gnome, even kde. |
| 21:34.21 | abrotman | ew |
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| 21:35.11 | k-god | vin`: gnome is f*cked seven ways from sunday ;-) |
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| 21:35.28 | abrotman | at least it's not kde! |
| 21:35.38 | mentor | OK, so fair enough, the problem is because GNOME is getting conflicting information and doesn't know what to do. The correct response is to ask me. |
| 21:35.50 | k-god | abrotman: It dreams of wishing contemplating _hoping_ it might be KDE. |
| 21:36.08 | abrotman | k-god: no freaking way .. noone wants to be that fat and bloated .. not even you with your bra |
| 21:36.15 | Alam_Linux | who do I reload GNOME's menu? |
| 21:36.20 | abrotman | update-menus |
| 21:36.40 | k-god | Alam_Linux: exit/restart I think. |
| 21:36.51 | k-god | abrotman: KDE is vastly more sane IME. |
| 21:37.04 | mentor | Alam_Linux: In what way? |
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| 21:37.14 | abrotman | k-god: but you're insane :) |
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| 21:37.20 | k-god | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg01136.html |
| 21:37.26 | tim_flatus | mentor, what are you actually trying to do? (Before I suggest openbox, which is not what you asked for ;) |
| 21:37.27 | abrotman | k-god: is this your rant again ? |
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| 21:37.32 | k-god | abrotman: Hey, it keeps me from going crazy. |
| 21:37.37 | k-god | abrotman: Damned straight it is. |
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| 21:37.56 | abrotman | k-god: you had me read it last year :) |
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| 21:38.09 | k-god | abrotman: It obviously didn't stick. Read it again. |
| 21:38.10 | RichiH | what is a good word for 'synopsis and documentation about the project i did'? |
| 21:38.16 | k-god | abrotman: ... and again, and again, and again.... |
| 21:38.20 | k-god | RichiH: "Postmortem" |
| 21:38.26 | `Belial | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ do i need to download both of those isos? |
| 21:38.30 | SonnyBurnett | OT, do you know is there a channel about "Bios/Upgrades" ? I need boot from CD-Rom support to install debian in a old 486 |
| 21:38.31 | `Belial | or is the first one all i need? |
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| 21:38.43 | RichiH | k-god: i like that, yah |
| 21:38.52 | mentor | tim_flatus: Oh, open a file. The detected contect type from data and from the file extension do not match, so GNOME pops up a text box with a huge message and only allows me to cancel. |
| 21:38.55 | abrotman | RichiH: management summary |
| 21:39.05 | Alam_Linux | I added in the package diasce, but it doesn't show in the menu, and the GNOME menu editor see it |
| 21:39.28 | rdz | hi all. how can i free a certain bind address? i always get; 'Address already in use' |
| 21:39.30 | mentor | tim_flatus: I've already opened the file, I'm jsut annoyed that GNOME thinks it knows better than me. |
| 21:39.47 | k-god | `Belial: RTFID: you only _need_ one ISO to perform a basic Debian install, and if you've got reliable networking, a netinst is recommended. |
| 21:39.49 | bucky | SonnyBurnett: there's still a floppy install for sarge... three floppies |
| 21:39.57 | tim_flatus | mentor, OK. Understood. |
| 21:40.07 | k-god | `Belial: Additional ISOs include additional software, in order of popularity as determined by POPCON. |
| 21:40.13 | k-god | `Belial: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 21:40.24 | `Belial | thanks |
| 21:40.27 | k-god | rdz: Kill whatever's bound to it. |
| 21:40.40 | mythica | is this my unknown pic-pcmia card |
| 21:40.40 | mythica | RL5c475 |
| 21:40.42 | k-god | rdz: netstat -lpv or lsof are your friends. |
| 21:40.44 | mythica | 0000:02:03.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c475 (rev 81) |
| 21:40.52 | rdz | k-god, i already kiled all processes |
| 21:40.58 | mythica | Cardbus bridge sounds about right |
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| 21:41.26 | SonnyBurnett | bucky, yep I have not enpugh ram fgor sarge, and with woody I got "kernel panic", also floppies fail a lot.. I gave up... I want to try flashing my bios |
| 21:41.32 | rdz | k-god, thnx |
| 21:41.54 | bucky | SonnyBurnett: there's still docs about the low mem install for woody |
| 21:41.55 | k-god | `Belial: The only case you want all (or even any) ISOs is when you're not going to have _any_ network access at the time of installation. If you want to speed up multiple local installs look at apt-proxy rather than d/l'd ISOs. |
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| 21:42.58 | k-god | `Belial: as an added bonus special feature, some of the etch beta isos actually require networking to d/l a base packages set, which pretty much provides a pessimal solution. |
| 21:42.59 | `Belial | k-god: ah, i'm nearly finished with the iso actually. i started it sometime ago. |
| 21:43.23 | k-god | `Belial: ... as you've just d/l'd a bunch of crap you don't need, and you still can't use it on a non-networked system. |
| 21:43.41 | k-god | `Belial: Finish it and use it for your install. Know that that wasn't strictly necessary. |
| 21:44.45 | k-god | `Belial: The full current iso set is something in excess of 15 CDs. 17k - 20k+ packages in all of Debian, depending on how you count. |
| 21:44.58 | vin` | abrotman: http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5239/200605010039521280x800scrot0zc.png |
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| 21:45.23 | sciron | anyone decent with evms? i'm only asking because #evms is rather unresponsive |
| 21:45.35 | k-god | sciron: WTF is evms? |
| 21:45.47 | sciron | enterprise volume management system |
| 21:45.51 | sciron | it's akin to LVM2 |
| 21:46.03 | liran_ | has anyone given a shot at x10 home automation and linux? im curious to know |
| 21:46.07 | prh_ | it's an envelope for lvm lvm2 dm md... |
| 21:46.12 | k-god | sciron: I'm guessing you can take the staggering silence as something of a "no". |
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| 21:46.17 | k-god | liran_: Larry Wall has. |
| 21:46.23 | `Belial | it's been sometime since i've used linux. i went from gentoo, to slack, now i want to use debian because i liked how gentoo worked but the compile times were ridiculous. is sid the choice for most desktop users? |
| 21:46.34 | `Belial | it's not going to be a server. |
| 21:46.40 | k-god | `Belial: testing/unstable, pinned to testing, in my case |
| 21:46.41 | sciron | lol, not surprised. though that looks like it may be a semi-positive response (staggering silences can't be determined in less than 5 minutes on IRC) |
| 21:46.48 | k-god | !tell `Belial about pinning. |
| 21:46.52 | rdz | how can i free a bind socket, if it the process is not listed in 'netstat -lpv'' |
| 21:46.59 | rdz | ? |
| 21:47.17 | rdz | can root do that? how? |
| 21:47.19 | liran_ | k-god, but i doubt larry wall hangs in #debian :) |
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| 21:47.27 | k-god | liran_: No, but he's documented the process. |
| 21:47.53 | liran_ | k-god, ahh cool. thanks for the info ill look it up |
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| 21:48.22 | vin` | `Belial: sid works fine on my laptop, fwiw. |
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| 21:49.09 | sciron | prh_> is that from simple awareness or actual knowledge of evms? |
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| 21:50.13 | Tomze | `Belial, both etch and sid works fine on my laptop !... make sure the package acpid is installed |
| 21:50.36 | vin` | `Belial: install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges read before you upgrade for critical bugs. |
| 21:50.57 | `Belial | ok |
| 21:51.07 | `Belial | thank you |
| 21:51.08 | Tomze | vin`: bahh.. listbugs makes me worry to much ;) |
| 21:51.36 | `Belial | i'm gonna give this a shot |
| 21:51.36 | vin` | Tomze: take a calculated gamble at times. ;) |
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| 21:51.49 | Tomze | every day :) |
| 21:51.51 | jind | What's the name of the package which supplies the gnome registry editor? |
| 21:51.56 | vin` | another one bites the dust! |
| 21:52.14 | vin` | k-god: ^^ |
| 21:52.37 | jind | You know, the gnome program which can adjust parameters in most gnome programs? |
| 21:52.51 | jind | Like the windows registry, only for gnome software? |
| 21:52.53 | vin` | meh |
| 21:53.12 | Tomze | gconf - GNOME configuration database system. (daemon and tools) ? |
| 21:53.26 | jind | Thanks, that's the one! |
| 21:53.51 | Phroziac | hmm, odd. Errors were encountered while processing: /cdrom//pool/main/c/cupsys/cupsys_1.1.23-10_i386.deb |
| 21:54.17 | Jhair | jind: gconf-editor |
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| 21:54.34 | abrotman | Phroziac: what's the actual error ? |
| 21:55.02 | jind | Jhair, I found it but thanks anyway :) |
| 21:55.24 | Phroziac | abrotman: oops. it's dpkg-deb (subprocess): error in buffer_read(stream): failed to write to pipe in copy: Input/output error |
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| 21:55.59 | Phroziac | i tried cleaning the disc, lets see if that could work. |
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| 21:56.57 | RichiH | is it 'a considerable amount' or 'an considerable amount'? |
| 21:57.10 | sciron | a |
| 21:57.23 | RichiH | thought so, thanks |
| 21:57.32 | abrotman | RichiH: first |
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| 21:57.52 | abrotman | RichiH: rough rule .. if the word following begins with a vowel .. use an 'an' :) |
| 21:58.00 | blondie | (mostly) |
| 21:58.07 | abrotman | i said rough rule! |
| 21:58.09 | blondie | :P |
| 21:58.24 | RichiH | abrotman: i know that |
| 21:58.29 | dvs | an hour |
| 21:58.30 | pet__ | hi there, what program can I use to monitor my wireless net? |
| 21:58.31 | RichiH | i am not sure about adjectives, though |
| 21:58.38 | plb | arghh wth everytime I try to startx with nvidia driver I get a blank screen |
| 21:58.45 | punsad | pet__: wavemon |
| 21:58.50 | Phroziac | nope, it's the same thing now. |
| 21:58.53 | blondie | well, if the word after sounds like it begins with a vowel? |
| 21:59.08 | bucky | plb: did you install a window manager yet? |
| 21:59.08 | plb | no one else have issues with xorg 7 and nvidia?? |
| 21:59.09 | abrotman | RichiH: no .. it's pretty much the next word .. no matter what type of word it is .. the general rule i described above is true .. for most cases |
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| 21:59.17 | pet__ | punsad, thx! where can I get it? |
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| 21:59.54 | punsad | pet__: apt-get install wavemon... do some googling to make sure that's what you want... |
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| 22:00.02 | plb | bucky: yet |
| 22:00.07 | plb | yes |
| 22:01.14 | RichiH | abrotman: hmmk |
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| 22:01.48 | pet__ | punsad: thx, another question, how can I change the settings of my keyboard spanish/english and english/spanish? |
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| 22:02.32 | punsad | not sure... I think this is done when installing debian... also theres a program called kbdconfig |
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| 22:03.39 | abrotman | pet__: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:04.08 | vin` | pet__: xorg? |
| 22:04.28 | pet__ | thx, how do I know what architecture of debian I have for the downloads? |
| 22:04.32 | punsad | anyone know a good program to do some speed benchmarking? |
| 22:04.43 | abrotman | benchmarks are worthless |
| 22:04.48 | mfrisch | whats the default umask for users??? |
| 22:04.51 | dvs | pet__: What cpu to you use? |
| 22:05.00 | dvs | *do |
| 22:05.14 | Saafirosz | someone know a chanel for network security |
| 22:05.15 | Saafirosz | ? |
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| 22:06.47 | pet__ | cpu? labtop, dell, inspiron 4000, 800MHz, 256mb ram, 40 gb hd, |
| 22:06.57 | dvs | pet__: i386 |
| 22:06.58 | belkin | i just share my music folder so i can access it from windows ... but it doesnt let me listen to all the music files , only some of them it says " write protected " or to check that the disk is not full |
| 22:07.21 | belkin | change the permissions of the directory myself ... or will samba do it for me by setting it writable = yes ? |
| 22:07.23 | azeem | pet__: that's a 585 |
| 22:07.24 | azeem | eh |
| 22:07.25 | azeem | 686 |
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| 22:07.34 | dvs | do I hear 7? |
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| 22:07.54 | punsad | one thing I'm sure of is that its not 386 |
| 22:08.14 | vin` | or a 585 |
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| 22:08.39 | vin` | could it be a celery? |
| 22:08.47 | abrotman | it's still a 686 |
| 22:09.37 | pet__ | I've no idea of what you're talking about |
| 22:09.44 | abrotman | !686 |
| 22:09.44 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel, or if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel. |
| 22:09.51 | dvs | pet__: just pick 386 for the Debian disk |
| 22:09.56 | abrotman | but his arch if he's downloading pacakges is still i386 |
| 22:10.23 | punsad | according to dpkg info, 686 is for Pentium Pro and up |
| 22:10.32 | abrotman | which is an 800Mhz |
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| 22:10.56 | keherman | Is it possible to install a DEB file only for the local user -- without root accesS? |
| 22:11.01 | punsad | pet__: I think its 686 |
| 22:11.03 | abrotman | or rather .. an 800Mhz .. is a 686 class CPU |
| 22:11.19 | bucky | !486 |
| 22:11.19 | dpkg | from memory, 486 is an ancient type of CPU. Nevertheless, it's good enough to have a 486 box as a router with ipmasquerading (and probably a cdr) :P |
| 22:11.21 | abrotman | but if he is downloading ISOs etc .. it's an i386 |
| 22:11.54 | pet__ | i've chosen the i386 arch, i hope it works if not i'll try another |
| 22:12.03 | dvs | pet__: It'll work |
| 22:12.05 | Saafirosz | how to register my nickname |
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| 22:12.10 | Saafirosz | someone knows? |
| 22:12.15 | abrotman | /msg nickserv help |
| 22:12.22 | vin` | Saafirosz: /msg nickserver help register |
| 22:12.23 | Saafirosz | thanks |
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| 22:12.32 | punsad | keherman: i dunno too much about it, but could you consider installing from tarball and specify the directories writable by that user for the install directories? |
| 22:13.13 | keherman | i guess i wasn't sure if there was a recommended procedure |
| 22:13.16 | Saafirosz | hmm no such nick/channel |
| 22:13.19 | Saafirosz | ?! |
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| 22:13.30 | vin` | Saafirosz: sorry, nickserv |
| 22:13.37 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 22:14.03 | vin` | abrotman: I enhanced it and fucked up at the same time. |
| 22:14.08 | abrotman | vin`: good job! |
| 22:14.11 | abrotman | keep it simple! |
| 22:14.27 | vin` | abrotman: no, that is the right way though. :P |
| 22:14.28 | punsad | keherman: how bout installing it like normal and then change the permisions of the executable to limit who can run it? |
| 22:14.39 | abrotman | vin`: which is? |
| 22:14.43 | abrotman | mine or yours? |
| 22:14.58 | dvs | awwwwwww |
| 22:15.02 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i'm not cooking on your stupid grill anymore! |
| 22:15.26 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: HA! Shows what you know. I haven't even bought it yet!! |
| 22:15.32 | abrotman | slacker |
| 22:15.57 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah, I'm sick.... I deserve to slack a bit. |
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| 22:16.18 | pet__ | thank you all, it works fine, bye! |
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| 22:16.59 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you've been sick for a week |
| 22:17.25 | vin` | he needs to retire. -ot? |
| 22:17.26 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Well. Since Wed. yeah.... |
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| 22:18.07 | abrotman | he does? |
| 22:18.19 | abrotman | vin`: you want to join #-ot ? |
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| 22:19.01 | punsad | sorry if this is off topic (it is) but would you rather part with a thinkpad with 500MHz+320 MB RAM or one with 400MHz+428MB. I'm trying to decide which laptop to get rid of. |
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| 22:19.20 | abrotman | you can probably put more ram in the 500Mhz |
| 22:19.28 | peterS | punsad: the slower one probably gets more battery life, yes? I'd keep that |
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| 22:19.53 | punsad | abrotman: I actually can't... it's got 64 MB built in and can only take in one more stick up to 256MB |
| 22:20.04 | abrotman | punsad: for a max total of? |
| 22:20.16 | peterS | punsad: send them both to me, I'll test them for you for a couple weeks and decide which you should keep. then I'll keep the other. |
| 22:20.21 | punsad | peterS: thank YOU! That's what I thought! I thought I was crazy. I'm leaning toward keeping it |
| 22:20.23 | abrotman | i'd take the faster one |
| 22:20.28 | tim_flatus | punsad, steal the memory from the slower one then get rid of it ;~) |
| 22:20.29 | punsad | peterS: ha! |
| 22:20.38 | abrotman | the battery life difference will probably be like 5 minutes |
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| 22:20.49 | vin` | abrotman: see, that place is always quiet. |
| 22:21.01 | Saafirosz | ? ?? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ???? |
| 22:21.11 | punsad | abrotman: it's a much bigger difference... probably also due to difference in the battery |
| 22:21.15 | dvs | ! !!! !!! !!!!!!! !!! |
| 22:21.18 | peterS | his mouth is moving but all I hear is ??? ???? ???? |
| 22:21.37 | punsad | the tech node of the 500MHz is .18um and that of the 400Mhz is .25um |
| 22:21.38 | tim_flatus | peterS cpu not engaged? |
| 22:21.58 | abrotman | punsad: do you actually use it unplugged? |
| 22:21.58 | peterS | tim_flatus: it was engaged but then they broke it off |
| 22:22.07 | dvs | heh |
| 22:22.16 | peterS | caught its boyfriend sleeping around, dontcha know |
| 22:22.16 | tim_flatus | peterS, lol |
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| 22:22.19 | punsad | abrotman: not often.. but sometimes... like now |
| 22:22.32 | abrotman | that's roughly a 25% increase in speed |
| 22:22.43 | abrotman | well .. whatever .. i'll keep my laptop .. thanks anyways :) |
| 22:23.38 | punsad | abrotman: that's a good point.. another thing is that the 500MHz one has a flaky hinge and the 400Mhz one is rock solid |
| 22:24.05 | abrotman | punsad: sell them both .. get a 1Ghz? :) |
| 22:24.17 | punsad | abrotman: that's not a bad idea |
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| 22:24.29 | belkin | need help with samba please |
| 22:24.36 | tim_flatus | abrotman, clarity at last!-) |
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| 22:24.41 | dvs | details? |
| 22:24.56 | peterS | belkin: _most_ samba questions aren't debian-specific, so #samba will be able to help you. feel free to ask here though |
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| 22:25.22 | punsad | I do love my thinkpads... I hear they "ain't what they used to be" since going to Lenovo |
| 22:25.25 | belkin | peterS i did ... but it looks like there ar all sleeping ;) |
| 22:25.39 | belkin | please tell me whats the right permission for a shared directory in samba ... i just want to be able to listen or copy the shared directory .. no write permission... ? |
| 22:25.59 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure the samba manual covers this .. quite well |
| 22:26.11 | peterS | belkin: if you don't want write permission, 'read only = yes' in smb.conf will do nicely |
| 22:26.15 | belkin | abrotman yeah thanks a lot |
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| 22:26.46 | belkin | peterS i did that but still doesnt let me to copy all the music files .. only some of them |
| 22:26.49 | belkin | weird |
| 22:26.52 | peterS | belkin: as for local file permissions, the usual unix defaults of mode 755 for directories and 644 for files is usually ok |
| 22:27.05 | punsad | belkin: the problem doesn't seem to be samba then |
| 22:27.32 | peterS | belkin: oh. I wonder if you're running into a problem with filenames. Windows is picky about legal filename characters. one common character you see in music titles which isn't allowed on Windows systems is ":" |
| 22:27.32 | belkin | hmm |
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| 22:28.18 | peterS | but that wouldn't show itself as permission denied, the file in question simply wouldn't be visible on the windows box at all |
| 22:28.23 | belkin | peterS well i can see all the shared directory on windows (the shared one are on debian ) but its just that i cannot copy all of them ... |
| 22:28.36 | punsad | belkin: if those files are open, you may not be able to access them... so if you are playing those mp3s for example |
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| 22:28.52 | belkin | peterS it is visible .. i just cannot copy it or listen to it |
| 22:29.13 | oboy | hi, how can make ls list only directories instead of dirs and files? |
| 22:29.19 | belkin | punsad i know ... they are not open |
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| 22:29.30 | peterS | belkin: well, check file permissions on the server, I guess - 'chmod -R a+rX /your/share/dir' ought to do it |
| 22:29.37 | belkin | punsad i might have to set the right permission for ech directory in debian isnt it ? |
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| 22:30.27 | peterS | belkin: in day-to-day life in unix, you normally create directories and files with reasonable permissions anyway. but there are situations where you might not, like if you save from an email message (email programs often expect that your email contents are privacy-sensitive and manage permissions accordingly) |
| 22:30.35 | punsad | belkin: are all mp3s in the same directory? |
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| 22:31.05 | belkin | punsad no |
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| 22:31.17 | nono31 | hi |
| 22:31.37 | punsad | belkin: is this 'not being able to copy them' specific to the directory? |
| 22:31.59 | belkin | punsad i have them nice sorted out every artist has it own directory |
| 22:32.08 | nono31 | I have nvidia chip based video card. and since almost 2 weeks now, I can't build nvidia-kernel-source package using dpkg-buildpackage. Anyone having the same problem? |
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| 22:32.49 | belkin | punsad well trying to copy some albums ... it says " to check the i have write permission or to check that the disk is not full or to make sure nothing is accesing the file |
| 22:33.10 | peterS | belkin: 'disk is not full' - I suppose you've checked that? |
| 22:33.17 | Kupal[]_ | anyone runnign bootsplash with sarge, i have 2 broken conf files, it would save me a patch headach if someone could share... |
| 22:33.20 | punsad | belkin: have you tried 'lsof | grep mp3' to make sure they are not in use? |
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| 22:33.29 | belkin | peterS no is not :) |
| 22:33.39 | peterS | punsad: oh it doesn't matter server-side. it only matters if *clients* are accessing the file |
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| 22:33.51 | belkin | punsad xmms aint running ... mplayer not even |
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| 22:34.51 | punsad | belkin: I just find it very strange that within a directory, you can copy some files - but others - you cant |
| 22:34.58 | belkin | i realy dont understand ... EX: i have to directorys with the same permission one can be copyed one not ... |
| 22:35.01 | belkin | weird |
| 22:35.11 | belkin | punsad yeah |
| 22:35.23 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, Have somebody installed woody from floppies? |
| 22:35.33 | dvs | woody!?! |
| 22:35.40 | SonnyBurnett | yep |
| 22:35.46 | abrotman | lots of people |
| 22:35.48 | belkin | punsad it might be because the directory are not on the main hard disk ... they are mounted from a secound hard disk ... but it shouldnt be a problem |
| 22:36.01 | punsad | SonnyBurnett: I'm sorry |
| 22:36.08 | enyc | I think I have started woody install from fdd disks |
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| 22:36.30 | punsad | SonnyBurnett: I remember doing that for potato |
| 22:36.57 | belkin | punsad 755 chmod should do the trick isnt it ? |
| 22:37.33 | punsad | belkin: yeah... are you doing that on all the files and directories? |
| 22:37.35 | SonnyBurnett | Cause I generated 4 floppies, but I couldnt continue the install it failed at mounting fs, I got "kernel panic" error, can somebody tell me where can I download the correct floppies set, to install woody in a 486 ? |
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| 22:38.04 | abrotman | !woody bf |
| 22:38.07 | abrotman | !bf |
| 22:38.08 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 22:38.14 | dvs | SonnyBurnett: I'd try using another floppy. They are so tempermental. |
| 22:38.20 | StereoSkit | dudes, i've read the pcmcia_cs tulip_cb driver is what i need to make my pcmcia work, but it is not in /lib/modules/.../pcmcia/, any pointer on how to get this driver? |
| 22:38.23 | punsad | dvs: very true |
| 22:38.33 | belkin | punsad is there anyway i can set chmod 755 for everyfile into that directory ? |
| 22:39.00 | belkin | punsad everyfile and sub-directory.... |
| 22:39.03 | punsad | belkin: i think you can do 'chmod -R 755 dirname' |
| 22:39.14 | punsad | belkin: -R for recursive |
| 22:39.20 | peterS | belkin: did you try the command I gave you like 10 minutes ago? |
| 22:39.21 | abrotman | belkin: man chmod |
| 22:39.36 | peterS | belkin: you know, chmod -R a+rX /path/to/the/share ? |
| 22:39.53 | abrotman | !be a listening to peterS barbie |
| 22:39.53 | dpkg | Aww, listening to peterS is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 22:39.58 | belkin | peterS yeah that set the directory to 755 |
| 22:40.07 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, thanks I'll try one more time |
| 22:40.24 | abrotman | that deserves karma! |
| 22:40.38 | peterS | belkin: the problem with having 755 on regular files is that it indicates that they are executable files, and many user interfaces will show this, which is distracting. so I prefer to avoid that |
| 22:40.58 | peterS | belkin: other than that, it doesn't really hurt, though |
| 22:41.31 | belkin | peterS yeah |
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| 22:42.29 | belkin | peterS , punsad thanks a lot |
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| 22:43.09 | bucky | SonnyBurnett: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-where-to-find-installation-files |
| 22:43.13 | bonez39 | I am running 2.6.6...what advantages would I gain by upgrading to the newest kernel? anything earth-shattering? |
| 22:43.17 | punsad | belkin: good luck! |
| 22:43.22 | bucky | SonnyBurnett: and you might want to read this |
| 22:43.28 | dvs | bonez39: More bug fixes? |
| 22:43.30 | bucky | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.3 |
| 22:43.48 | SonnyBurnett | bucky, did you try those floppies? |
| 22:44.06 | bonez39 | dvs, hmmm ok...would Not being able to run myspace.com on firefox but being ABLE to on Konqueror,....be anything with the kernel, or just with myspace and firefox? |
| 22:44.10 | bucky | SonnyBurnett: mem=nopentium |
| 22:44.23 | punsad | who asked about doing 'ls' to show directories only? |
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| 22:44.27 | bucky | SonnyBurnett: i've done a ton of floppy installs |
| 22:44.37 | SonnyBurnett | bucky, Oh! this a boot parameter right? |
| 22:44.58 | punsad | the best I could come up with was 'ls * | grep :' |
| 22:45.01 | bucky | SonnyBurnett: how are you making your floppies? with dd or with rawrite? |
| 22:45.04 | beardy_ | bonez39: Not anything with the kernel. |
| 22:45.05 | punsad | pretty cheesy I know |
| 22:45.11 | dvs | bonez39: No, that's more likely software packages |
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| 22:45.17 | peterS | punsad: echo */ |
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| 22:45.28 | peterS | punsad: or ls -d */ |
| 22:45.32 | SonnyBurnett | bucky, dd |
| 22:45.40 | punsad | peterS: nice |
| 22:45.44 | bucky | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.3 |
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| 22:45.49 | peterS | punsad: either way, the trailing slash constrains the wildcard to directories (and symlinks to directories) |
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| 22:46.33 | Belial | alright, i gave it a shot and it failed to load the kernel modules upon installation |
| 22:46.40 | StereoSkit | peterS: the fact is, my eth pcmcia card was working in sarge and since i upgrade to testing it stop working |
| 22:46.43 | Belial | why exactly is it doing that? |
| 22:47.11 | stagger | nvida-installer has changed my xorg.conf file. how can i have it back? i can't run dexconf cause my xorg installation is not finished. I can't finish xorg installation because it needs config.... what should i do? |
| 22:47.29 | dvs | StereoSkit: Did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 22:47.54 | StereoSkit | dvs: no, apt-get dist-upgrade didnt ask me to |
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| 22:48.16 | dvs | StereoSkit: That's the first thing I would do |
| 22:48.34 | SonnyBurnett | bucky, wich one should I use? vanilla, compact, idepci, bf2.4 ? |
| 22:48.42 | Belial | anyone know why that would happen? i'm trying to install sid and getting a "fail to load kernel modules" message. |
| 22:48.52 | dvs | SonnyBurnett: None of those |
| 22:49.05 | SonnyBurnett | :o |
| 22:49.32 | dvs | oh. we're talking woody here, eh? |
| 22:49.39 | StereoSkit | i know, yet, how could that be done since my eth0 is not working (and im in testing and only have stable cds) |
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| 22:50.03 | SonnyBurnett | dvd, yep |
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| 22:50.18 | SonnyBurnett | dvs, yep |
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| 22:53.25 | SonnyBurnett | bucky, how did you make the floppies? dd or rawrite? |
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| 22:54.21 | peterS | bah, I make my floppies with cp |
| 22:54.32 | dvs | I use vim! |
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| 22:56.43 | peterS | hmm, interestingly, vim would work for writing a floppy image to disk, whereas emacs would not - by default |
| 22:56.49 | peterS | because of vim's unsafe save policy |
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| 22:57.18 | stagger | which package contains dexconf |
| 22:57.32 | peterS | stagger: don't use dexconf, use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 22:57.52 | peterS | (or xserver-xorg, if you are using unstable) |
| 22:58.05 | Belial | peteS: do you use unstable? |
| 22:58.11 | beardy_ | or running xorg anyway |
| 22:58.11 | peterS | yes |
| 22:58.12 | vin` | peterS: why not dexconf? it worked fine for me the few times I tried it. |
| 22:58.27 | Belial | peterS: would you know why it's failing to load kernel modules in the install? |
| 22:58.46 | peterS | vin`: it will eventually go away. I'm not sure if it has yet. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-whatever will call whatever is currently supported for that sort of thing |
| 22:59.02 | peterS | Belial: I didn't install unstable, I installed stable |
| 22:59.27 | Belial | so is it a better idea to install stable and then upgrade to unstable? |
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| 22:59.46 | vin` | Belial: add the modules that aren't automatically loaded to /etc/modules |
| 23:00.06 | vin` | Belial: or are you still in the installer? |
| 23:00.21 | Belial | well, it happened when i was in the install process |
| 23:00.25 | Belial | it didn't get very far |
| 23:00.39 | vin` | Belial: which iso are you trying? |
| 23:00.41 | peterS | Belial: the main reason to use unstable at all is to help test new stuff. testing newer snapshots of the installer is valuable too. |
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| 23:00.46 | stagger | ok, i have asked that question, but maybe i will try again ;) |
| 23:00.56 | peterS | Belial: so if you're using unstable, obviously you are prepared to run into problems, so sure, use the installer for that too |
| 23:01.01 | SonnyBurnett | dvs, how did you do using vim? |
| 23:01.11 | vin` | Belial: try the latest snapshot of the installer, if you ask me. |
| 23:02.13 | Belial | vin`: ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ i only burned the first iso |
| 23:02.26 | Belial | at the time it was only showing 2 isos |
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| 23:02.41 | stagger | i wan't to uninstall xserver-xorg, but it's preconfiguration script complains about /etc/x11/xorg.conf file. It was probably modyfied by nvidia installer and now it doesn't allow me for updated of xorg. How can i have my old xorg.conf? |
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| 23:03.57 | vin` | Belial: what kind of network do you have? |
| 23:03.58 | stagger | unistall == update ;) |
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| 23:04.39 | vin` | !xmd5 |
| 23:04.39 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 23:04.49 | vin` | stagger: try that. ^^ |
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| 23:10.35 | ali4728 | Newbie needs help !! How do I apply md5 to a newly downloaded iso files to verify they are correnct ? |
| 23:10.57 | abrotman | md5sum <file> |
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| 23:11.09 | PaPyRene0101 | how to block bittorrent upload from a pc in my network, with iptables on my linux-firewall? |
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| 23:11.15 | ali4728 | thanks abrotman |
| 23:11.24 | mortal__ | PaPyRene0101: by rtfm |
| 23:11.39 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 23:11.39 | dpkg | somebody said iptables was the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 23:11.58 | PaPyRene0101 | mortal__: thanks, see you in a year of so ;-) |
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| 23:12.32 | manas | i did a base install of sarge. dist-upgrade to sid. xserver-xorg refuses to install. preinstall exit status is 10. i am using the US ftp mirror. can someone give me any pointers ? |
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| 23:13.14 | Tomze | manas: http://wiki.debian.org - look for xorg 7.0 |
| 23:13.53 | manas | Tomze sorry, cannot view the wiki from console. can you give me a pointer ? |
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| 23:14.02 | gerardomt | Hi |
| 23:14.05 | Tomze | manas: yes.. 2sec |
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| 23:14.27 | gerardomt | Can you tell me the better way for run a windows aplication under linux? |
| 23:14.29 | Tomze | manas: links http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 23:15.18 | abrotman | gerardomt: than what? |
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| 23:15.22 | manas | Tomze fetching elinks ... thank you. |
| 23:15.30 | Tomze | manas: anytime :) |
| 23:15.38 | Aim_Here | gerardomt, tried wine? |
| 23:15.51 | Aim_Here | gerardomt, if you're using x86 that is |
| 23:15.58 | stagger_ | i tried md5sum but it didn't returned me my old config file |
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| 23:16.34 | stagger_ | what can i do? is there any other way to uninstall/upgrade xorg? |
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| 23:18.31 | SonnyBurnett | Ok I got a new box of floppies, whch is the best method to make the install floppies? dd or rawrite? |
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| 23:19.01 | stagger_ | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/x11/xorg.conf; file has been customised" |
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| 23:19.32 | jnc | gerardomt: who are you talking to |
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| 23:22.14 | nethenson | SonnyBurnett: under linux/unix: dd ; under windows: rawrite |
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| 23:23.21 | manas | anyone here knows how similar 9wm is to 8 1/2 ? |
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| 23:25.31 | manas | Tomze xserver-xorg refuses to install. any ideas ? |
| 23:25.59 | salah^ | just a small question: which kernel version does debian-31r2-i386-netinst have? |
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| 23:27.11 | gerardomt | HI |
| 23:27.15 | gerardomt | Sotty, i want here |
| 23:27.18 | gerardomt | sasnt |
| 23:27.29 | Tomze | manas: the package changed name.. its in the wiki |
| 23:28.13 | Tomze | salah^: 2.4.x and 2.6.8.x - good enogh ? :) |
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| 23:29.02 | salah^ | Tomze,thank you :) |
| 23:29.31 | manas | Tomze are you running X11R7 ? |
| 23:29.33 | gerardomt | wanst* |
| 23:29.33 | gerardomt | I tied to install AMDAS Interactive Anatoy and Netter: Clinical atlas |
| 23:29.34 | gerardomt | ADAMS Interactive Anatomy* |
| 23:29.40 | gerardomt | It's a Pentium 1.7with 256 RAM |
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| 23:29.54 | salah^ | any debian version which is running kernel version 2.6.14 or higher? |
| 23:30.22 | Althaser | salah^ testing |
| 23:30.26 | abrotman | Gnea: the car is going backwards! |
| 23:30.35 | manas | Tomze I have x11-common installed. however xserver-xorg refuses to install. pre-install script has an error code of 10. |
| 23:30.39 | peritus | salah^: use a backported kernel to stable, otherwise testing or unstable |
| 23:31.01 | salah^ | should I install a testing, or is it to buggy? |
| 23:31.26 | Tomze | manas: im not sure hwat i did but i got it working...he |
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| 23:31.53 | Tomze | salah^: its not buggy |
| 23:31.59 | peritus | salah^: that depends. testing is not supported by the debian security team |
| 23:32.09 | evilgeek | it is buggy. it's just not very buggy. |
| 23:32.38 | salah^ | ok, im just using it for basic stuff anyway :) |
| 23:32.56 | salah^ | im just not to experience enaugh to install a kernel by my self |
| 23:33.47 | nono31 | hu |
| 23:33.48 | nono31 | hi |
| 23:34.30 | beardy_ | salah^: If you can't install a kernel, don't run anything else than stable. |
| 23:35.08 | Tomze | beardy_: did you hit your head ? ;) |
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| 23:35.21 | nono31 | I have a problem with my chroot since I upgrade debian sid... I successfully chroot, but then when I try to "su" to another user it does not want. su myuser says: Cannot execute /bin/zsh: Permission denied ; If I su - myuser it says: Unable to cd to "/home/myuser" |
| 23:35.51 | Tomze | /bin/zsh ? |
| 23:35.54 | beardy_ | Tomze: I'm not sure.. |
| 23:35.58 | Tomze | he |
| 23:36.15 | salah^ | well, my problem is that I can't get the drivers for my wireless network card installed, so I am using kernel 2.6.14 > because drivers for the card is installed automaticly |
| 23:36.28 | mne | hikenboot, I've just configured autofs. It works, but I'm not sure how /etc/fstab should look like. currently there's an entry that would mount the CD-ROM at /cdrom. autofs mounts the cdrom at /vol/cdrom. How should I change /etc/fstab accordingly ? |
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| 23:36.58 | nono31 | Tomze: I'm using zsh shell |
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| 23:37.22 | Tomze | salah^: the weekly build og testing comes with 2.6.15 i think.. |
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| 23:39.14 | marco13185 | hmm, why is xserver-xorg not installing in unstable. I get an error when it tries to preconfigure and another when it processes the deb file and another postinst warning |
| 23:39.43 | Kinks | marco13185: because it's unstable. |
| 23:39.58 | marco13185 | Kinks, ya, but there aren't any bug reports |
| 23:40.35 | stagger_ | marco13185 i have the same problem |
| 23:40.41 | evilgeek | marco13185: i'm not particularly bothered by it. |
| 23:41.12 | Tomze | read topic or look at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 23:41.31 | stagger_ | i have read it, but it desn't helped |
| 23:41.52 | marco13185 | Tomze, I installed debian after that update |
| 23:42.07 | stagger_ | i tried to get xorg.conf by using md5sum it hasn't returne'd anything |
| 23:42.14 | Tomze | well.. i guess im just lucky then |
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| 23:44.00 | unix_infidel | hmm, gnome-panel with fluxbox, interesting. |
| 23:44.03 | marco13185 | well, at least I know it's a problem with unstable and not my computer |
| 23:45.33 | bernd_keller | i am looking for an howto for exim and spamassasin that describes the usage of exim the debian way - with the usage of update-exim4.conf.conf - after reading the standard howtos and parts of the readme of exim 4.5 |
| 23:45.56 | gecko2 | gn8 |
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| 23:49.40 | astronut | what's the gnome tool that replaces info? |
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| 23:56.22 | pilgrim | How do I get "mmencode" in what packge is it? |
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| 23:57.44 | pilgrim | KLD, what's going on, I though geeks were not religious. Everyone went to church or what? |
| 23:57.51 | pilgrim | K* |
| 23:58.00 | kerneld | astronut: emacs21 cvs with gtk widgets :P |
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| 23:59.00 | DimmuR|away | Hi i've some problem with postgresql and proftpd on debian sarte. I've standard sources.list and after upgrade i still get error " LOG: unexpected EOF on client connection" - before upgrade all was ok |
| 23:59.05 | petemc | pilgrim: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:59.20 | pilgrim | How do I redefine a key's function in the keyboard. (My backspace key is not functioning. I'd like to make right CTRL perform <Backspace> function. |
| 23:59.44 | kerneld | DimmuR|away: Are you usong pgsql to auth upir ftp? |
