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| 00:00.44 | bpuzon | msg dpkg |
| 00:01.06 | rconnell | Coweater: Could you help me for a moment? |
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| 00:01.34 | Coweater | there are guides on doing it |
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| 00:01.54 | IdahoEv | what's the best way to set up special multiple email addresses that redirect to a script for processing instead of to a user inbox? I need the list to be easily updatable from a PHP web application. /etc/aliases? exim4 rules? (server is running exim4 and also has several normal user accounts). |
| 00:02.16 | rconnell | Ive had no luck with them, alsa continuously reports a 'unable to install hw params'. |
| 00:02.26 | vali | fredrik, im searching a solution in the dpkg manpage |
| 00:02.42 | rconnell | All the appropriate modules etc appear to be installed and running fine. |
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| 00:04.32 | vali | maybe --set-selections or --yet-to-unpack |
| 00:04.32 | rconnell | More specifically, I receive this error:ALSA /usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.11rc3/usb/usbaudio.c:829: cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 |
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| 00:07.32 | Coweater | rconnell: this is on sarge? |
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| 00:08.36 | rconnell | Yes |
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| 00:10.47 | mufy | so linux lovers &haters |
| 00:10.52 | mufy | i love linux |
| 00:11.03 | Skuz | anyone have a link to a sample sources.list if i wanted to dist-upgrade to sid? |
| 00:11.06 | magyar | i love chicks |
| 00:11.14 | mufy | me too |
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| 00:12.27 | juice` | does anyone know a way to 'trace' what exactly is doing my browser in a specific moment? for example, i would like to know, how 'POST' link looks like on some page. but i have no idea how to trace it. theoretically i could install some sniffer on my host, but maybe there is an easier way... ? |
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| 00:12.51 | digijohn | Arr... TurboSPARCs are 32 bit, aren't they |
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| 00:13.14 | veteran | hi all, trying to install debian, but running into an odd problem. the installation cd is incorrectly detecting my hdd's size |
| 00:13.33 | veteran | it is detecting it as 130gb (which is the size of the first partition) rather than ~160gb |
| 00:13.52 | veteran | has anyone had a similar problem before, or any suggestions? |
| 00:13.54 | Coweater | digijohn: yes |
| 00:14.26 | rconnell | Could you at least tell me what version of alsa and kernel you are running? |
| 00:14.31 | magyar | 130 is better than 30 |
| 00:14.40 | Coweater | rconnell: i never said i had the card |
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| 00:14.47 | digijohn | Coweater: How does, say, a 170MHz turboSPARC compare to a similarly clocked x86? |
| 00:15.19 | magyar | Pentium III 1 .7GHz |
| 00:15.24 | veteran | magyar, well the 130 is holding data currently, not really in the mood to overwrite it |
| 00:15.28 | rconnell | But you have successfully gotten one working? |
| 00:15.37 | Coweater | no, you asked about anyone |
| 00:16.05 | magyar | veteran, knopix |
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| 00:16.19 | magyar | right from a cd |
| 00:16.19 | rconnell | Thanks for your help. |
| 00:16.38 | abrotman | digijohn: it depends on the workload |
| 00:16.51 | digijohn | abrotman: How so? |
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| 00:17.45 | abrotman | digijohn: normally .. for games .. you can't play many on a SPARC :) |
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| 00:17.46 | Coweater | digijohn: never run a turbosparc, i have a microsparc II 70 mhz that probably competes with the faster pentium Is |
| 00:17.58 | Coweater | what's your turbosparc in? |
| 00:18.08 | digijohn | Coweater: SPARCstation 5 |
| 00:18.24 | digijohn | abrotman: I won't be playing games on this. |
| 00:18.40 | abrotman | digijohn: you sure? |
| 00:18.53 | magyar | pong |
| 00:18.56 | magyar | ? |
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| 00:19.12 | poonj | hey guys |
| 00:19.23 | abrotman | digijohn: compared to a P150 or P180 .. it's better .. in basically every way |
| 00:19.23 | poonj | in gnome, how do I disable automounting? |
| 00:19.30 | poonj | which control panel is it? |
| 00:19.42 | digijohn | abrotman: I have an Athlon system at 1.8GHz... I can run my games on that |
| 00:19.48 | abrotman | good plan |
| 00:19.53 | digijohn | abrotman: Okay, that's what I wanted to know. Thanks |
| 00:20.24 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 00:20.24 | dpkg | sparc is, like, the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 00:20.27 | abrotman | digijohn: ^^ |
| 00:20.48 | digijohn | thanks |
| 00:21.03 | digijohn | abrotman: I was actually considering netBSD |
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| 00:21.50 | digijohn | abrotman: I suppose these machines will require different memory than the stuff I can pull out of my spare PCs... |
| 00:22.04 | jetscreamer | bpuzon: google fontdeuglification howto, all i know |
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| 00:22.09 | dererk | Hi all! |
| 00:22.15 | abrotman | digijohn: yeah .. and it's not cheap :) |
| 00:22.28 | digijohn | abrotman: Bummer |
| 00:23.01 | digijohn | abrotman: I'm going to be buying a SS5, and I'm pretty sure it only has 32MB of RAM right now... |
| 00:23.11 | Coweater | you'll want more |
| 00:23.33 | Coweater | ebay is your friend |
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| 00:23.48 | digijohn | Coweater: Yeah, so I figure |
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| 00:24.09 | abrotman | digijohn: for netbsd .. should be fine |
| 00:24.17 | liran_ | you guys heard of compiz/xgl by novell? |
| 00:24.29 | Coweater | just a console workstation it'd be fine |
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| 00:24.48 | Coweater | but if you want to run X or anything i'd double it at least |
| 00:26.29 | digijohn | Coweater: I'm actually hoping that I can scrounge up some leftover RAM around here... I'm currently at RIT, which has quite a few Sun labs |
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| 00:27.23 | digijohn | Coweater: Let's see, looks like $23 for 32MB of RAM from memoryx.net |
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| 00:27.45 | fredrik | ok. I type dpkg --yet-to-unpack and see a list of zillions of software that I don't want to install. could I remove that list somehow? |
| 00:28.00 | Coweater | you can probably pick up whole machines that cheap and salvage ram from them |
| 00:28.09 | digijohn | Coweater: Yes |
| 00:28.25 | Coweater | i did like $20 for my ss20 and it's got 144mb |
| 00:29.05 | thewhite | I'm looking for a good filemanager/multirename tool for X, much like the one in total commander for win32. Any suggestions? |
| 00:29.23 | digijohn | Coweater: Oh? I was planning on paying $20 for this SS5, sans hard drive. |
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| 00:30.20 | dererk | themolester, you have gnome-commander or just mc |
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| 00:30.42 | dererk | sorry, I was talking to thewhite... tab error |
| 00:30.55 | martine | je ne parle pas anglais |
| 00:32.05 | dererk | martine, et je ne parle pas français :-\ |
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| 00:32.39 | thewhite | dererk: well, to be more precise, what I want is a tool that can rename lots of files |
| 00:33.01 | centrx | martine, try #debian-fr ? |
| 00:33.09 | thewhite | in this case, lots of mp3's |
| 00:33.11 | dbrock | thewhite: try wdired for Emacs |
| 00:33.12 | martine | merci |
| 00:33.17 | digijohn | Coweater: Think I should try to argue him down? |
| 00:33.22 | dererk | thewhite, you may use mc in that case |
| 00:33.29 | digijohn | Coweater: I think the main price is coming from the monitor he's including |
| 00:33.37 | thewhite | dbrock: no |
| 00:33.43 | dbrock | thewhite: why not? |
| 00:33.58 | dererk | dbrock, does emacs have a file manager? |
| 00:34.01 | dererk | o_O |
| 00:34.12 | dbrock | dererk: yes... |
| 00:34.12 | thewhite | ;) |
| 00:34.25 | dererk | well, I prefer vim :D |
| 00:34.27 | dbrock | Dired has been in Emacs since, like, the stone age |
| 00:34.34 | thewhite | dbrock: right now I dont even have emacs install |
| 00:34.40 | thewhite | ed |
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| 00:35.04 | dererk | dbrock, didn't use emacs, thanks for the tip |
| 00:35.05 | dbrock | thewhite: well, you could just install it |
| 00:35.22 | dererk | dbrock, but emacs uses X, right? |
| 00:35.48 | thewhite | dbrock: guess I could apt-get emacs... but I don'n really need it. |
| 00:35.49 | digijohn | dererk: Not necessarily |
| 00:35.56 | abrotman | $20 isn't bad |
| 00:35.57 | dbrock | wdired (for writable dired) is an extension to dired that lets you rename files as if they were just lines of text in a buffer |
| 00:35.58 | digijohn | dererk: Emacs doesn't require X |
| 00:36.02 | abrotman | digijohn: are you willing to spend more? |
| 00:36.03 | digijohn | abrotman: Yeah? |
| 00:36.03 | dererk | Ummm, interesting |
| 00:36.09 | digijohn | abrotman: A bit more |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | digijohn: i mean . if you could spring for an UltraSparcII of some sort .. probably a better overall system |
| 00:36.33 | digijohn | abrotman: Okay, willing to spend more to upgrade it a little further, I guess |
| 00:36.42 | digijohn | abrotman: Yes, but I don't know where to get one |
| 00:36.55 | abrotman | digijohn: ebay .. anysystem.com might have some .. check the uglyduckling specials |
| 00:36.58 | digijohn | abrotman: Apparently there is a big salvage warehouse in town, but I can't really get there |
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| 00:37.22 | digijohn | abrotman: I'm considering this machine because it is cheap and a five minute walk away. |
| 00:37.23 | dbrock | combine wdired with CUA rectangle marking, and you have a killer file renaming tool |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | digijohn: good reason ... |
| 00:37.41 | thewhite | dererk: So how then do I rename multiple files in mc? |
| 00:37.41 | noronha | alguien abla espanhõl |
| 00:37.43 | digijohn | abrotman: Yep |
| 00:37.49 | abrotman | digijohn: make sure you find out what you need to get a HDD working with it .. you may need an external drive cage etc |
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| 00:38.20 | digijohn | abrotman: Yeah, it doesn't have a drive... he says it needs an SCA drive, which I should be able to get from that salvage place... I should really call them up sometime |
| 00:38.21 | thewhite | dererk: say I want to add to all names in an archive |
| 00:38.37 | dererk | thewhite, you press "+" and choose selection characters, and then "F6" to the other panel |
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| 00:39.13 | dererk | thewhite, it's just like Norton Commander |
| 00:39.32 | thewhite | dererk: yeah? I've been using mc for years but never dug in to all features |
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| 00:40.00 | dererk | you may, It's quite powerful |
| 00:40.14 | abrotman | digijohn: a 4GB shouldn't be that much .. |
| 00:40.22 | kspath | Can anyone recommend a good source site for used sparcs? |
| 00:40.24 | thewhite | dererk: in win32 I use total commander and its multi rename tool? You know of it+ |
| 00:40.29 | dererk | It has ftp and shell access, didn't see any tool like it up to day |
| 00:40.35 | vali | fredrik-, are you there? |
| 00:40.38 | abrotman | kspath: anysystem.com |
| 00:40.42 | abrotman | kspath: ebay |
| 00:41.04 | kspath | abrotman: Thank you! I avoid Ebay like a plague on society. |
| 00:41.15 | dererk | thewhite, I do, I used for a lot of time |
| 00:41.24 | abrotman | kspath: anysystem has the uglyducking specials .. decent deals |
| 00:41.35 | digijohn | abrotman: Yeah |
| 00:41.44 | dererk | the only thing I couldn't find on mc is the compressing tools NC has thewhite |
| 00:42.03 | digijohn | abrotman: I can also try netbooting |
| 00:42.22 | abrotman | digijohn: good luck with that :) |
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| 00:42.33 | digijohn | abrotman: Not very easy? |
| 00:42.42 | digijohn | abrotman: I mean netbooting netBSD |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | kspath: stuff like http://www.anysystem.com/ugly-e3000-special-1.html :) |
| 00:42.47 | thewhite | dererk: Ah so then you are familiar with the multi... tool |
| 00:42.48 | dbrock | dererk: for the record, Emacs has FTP and shell access |
| 00:42.50 | kspath | geez I used to use an Ultra60 years ago. I can not believe it is still 500-1000 dollars used. |
| 00:42.50 | abrotman | digijohn: oh .. don't know anything about that |
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| 00:43.17 | dererk | dbrock, Ummm, emacs is turning interesting |
| 00:43.20 | thewhite | dbrock: What does'nt emacs have?? |
| 00:43.27 | digijohn | abrotman: I just found an Ultra 10 on ebay for $31... but it would cost $43 to ship it to me :-( |
| 00:43.37 | SimonRaven | thewhite: the sink |
| 00:43.41 | dbrock | thewhite: that's actually an interesting question |
| 00:43.50 | abrotman | digijohn: are you in the states? |
| 00:43.55 | thewhite | dbrock: indeed |
| 00:43.55 | dererk | dbrock, lol |
| 00:44.07 | abrotman | digijohn: use the "within 20 miles of <zip>" thingie |
| 00:44.14 | dbrock | its image support is very crude |
| 00:44.16 | digijohn | abrotman: Okay |
| 00:44.37 | abrotman | digijohn: that's how i found an SGI monitor :) |
| 00:44.44 | dbrock | you can't, for example, have multiple lines of text next to an image |
| 00:44.55 | dererk | SimonRaven, dude, I thought you were a bot :-S |
| 00:45.09 | SimonRaven | whatever |
| 00:45.32 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you're pretty squishy for a bot |
| 00:45.33 | dbrock | this makes it annoying to browse web pages that use lots of images and complicated layouts |
| 00:45.34 | digijohn | abrotman: Heh, there isn't much, even near Rochester NY |
| 00:45.45 | dererk | abrotman, lol |
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| 00:45.48 | abrotman | digijohn: i got a lot .. but i'm near philly |
| 00:46.00 | SimonRaven | abrotman: yes i am. in some bits squishier than others |
| 00:46.01 | abrotman | digijohn: and if you have a car .. 50 miles might be worth it . it's up to you |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | SimonRaven: beer! |
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| 00:46.20 | dererk | lol |
| 00:46.32 | Supaplex | odd. I nuked my ~/Desktop, and didn't realise it was gone until now. yay backups. :) |
| 00:46.40 | thewhite | dererk: so mc then... guess I got a lot of reading to do. |
| 00:46.43 | SimonRaven | i gave up beer. i can't sing and drum if i drink |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | SimonRaven: could you before? |
| 00:46.57 | digijohn | abrotman: No car. And nothing interesting within 100 miles |
| 00:47.03 | abrotman | digijohn: ah ok |
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| 00:47.13 | SimonRaven | also it was starting to be a problem |
| 00:47.20 | dererk | SimonRaven, scaring right? :-S |
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| 00:48.06 | SimonRaven | dererk: yeh, actually. it was starting to worry my wife. she told me, and i agreed. so it all works out anyway :) |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | damn women! |
| 00:48.27 | dererk | abrotman, lol |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 00:48.34 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 00:48.36 | dererk | SimonRaven, Good! |
| 00:48.47 | dererk | It's very difficult for me by now :-S |
| 00:49.13 | dererk | dbrock, ummm, now I'm really starting to take into account the question thewhite asked |
| 00:49.28 | dererk | thewhite dbrock: What does'nt emacs have?? |
| 00:49.46 | SimonRaven | it was getting to me in other ways too, like my body would smell different after, and the stuff it did to my head |
| 00:50.49 | dererk | SimonRaven, so, congratulations then! it's a very difficult way |
| 00:50.56 | jetscreamer | emacs doesn't have ie |
| 00:51.03 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 00:51.05 | dererk | jetscreamer, :( |
| 00:51.10 | dererk | I mean, cool :P |
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| 00:51.56 | SimonRaven | dererk: thank you. iluckily i was never a heavy drinker - at least the last few years; i used to drink a lot, mostly vodka - so it was relatively easy |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | SimonRaven: did you try to sell manhattan island again? :) |
| 00:52.18 | SimonRaven | friendly lart coming up |
| 00:52.22 | SimonRaven | !lart abrotman |
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| 00:52.32 | abrotman | SimonRaven: fully deserved and understood :) |
| 00:52.46 | SimonRaven | silly, we never had anything to do with that ;) |
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| 00:52.58 | aaronlin | I am trying to make an audio CD out of a speech. How can I split the speech into several tracks? Does K3b have a utility for it? |
| 00:53.03 | SimonRaven | different part of the continent ;) |
| 00:53.53 | SimonRaven | but more seriously, that was a rotten deal :( |
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| 00:54.04 | abrotman | SimonRaven: duh |
| 00:54.09 | SimonRaven | aaronlin: audacity can do it maybe. or rosegarden4 |
| 00:54.18 | SimonRaven | abrotman: yeh |
| 00:54.40 | aaronlin | Can k3b do it automatically? |
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| 00:55.10 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
| 00:55.25 | abrotman | aaronlin: man split ? |
| 00:55.39 | wireddd | hmm what happened to k3b in testing? |
| 00:56.15 | aaronlin | aha, I think I found a way |
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| 00:56.20 | aaronlin | thanks anyhow |
| 00:57.11 | grendelson | Man Oh Man just ran a dist-upgrade in testing - Whoo I'm afraid to do anything! |
| 00:57.42 | abrotman | it's just .. like .. 150 packages |
| 00:57.45 | grendelson | I chose Q :-) |
| 00:58.10 | IdahoEv | What's the easiest way to set up the equivalent of glob-type filters in /etc/aliases? For example, I want most addresses to process normally, but I want all addresses that match "blast.*@myserver.net" to get forwarded to a script for processing. |
| 00:58.13 | grendelson | when I saw nvidia and xorg I said Umm I'll wait til it stabilizes ! |
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| 00:58.57 | centrx | oh man i didn't even know about it, now i am excited about updating |
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| 00:59.32 | centrx | i was thinking about going out tonight but now i think i am going to play with the undoubtedly very minor changes that this update entails |
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| 00:59.52 | grendelson | centrx: If you're running testing and xorg and nvidia possibly gnome there are a lot of incompatibilities right now |
| 01:00.04 | thewhite | have you tested xgl |
| 01:00.07 | grendelson | centrx: HahHAHAHAHA |
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| 01:00.54 | maddoc | Hmm, does anyone know what I could have done wrong if I can't find my NICs when I run lspci? |
| 01:01.19 | justin | maddoc: tripped over the cables and pulled the cards out? :-) |
| 01:01.33 | maddoc | justin: Nah, they work fine with my other kernel. |
| 01:01.42 | maddoc | Just compiled a costum xen0,. |
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| 01:02.35 | grendelson | I was actually considering setting a cron job that did dist-upgrade (man after tonight I guess I'll stick with plain ol upgrade!!! |
| 01:03.04 | digijohn | I'm not sure even that is such a great idea, grendelson... often upgrade asks for configuration options |
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| 01:03.17 | maddoc | Yeah. |
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| 01:03.21 | digijohn | grendelson: Or asks if you want to keep old config files or replace them with new ones |
| 01:03.34 | maddoc | grendelson: But if you have alot of package to upgrade, it may be time to do it. :-P |
| 01:03.39 | dererk | f~~~ got reset |
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| 01:03.57 | wizzo | I've been getting mail from cron every hour on the hour because of a failing cron job, I think there are some others failing. |
| 01:04.06 | dererk | I was asking that about debhelper.... |
| 01:04.16 | wizzo | How can I tell which ones are failing? |
| 01:04.30 | grendelson | maddoc, I upgrade a lot - I was about to dist-upgrade but when I saw the packages and the inability to work out dependencies I said " gosh no.." |
| 01:04.52 | maddoc | :-> |
| 01:05.02 | grendelson | digijohn, That is true maybe I jsut ahve to keep doing it manually... |
| 01:05.06 | dererk | did I lost something? |
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| 01:05.13 | dererk | s/lost/loose/ |
| 01:05.20 | wizzo | Also, how do I uninstall kde? |
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| 01:06.08 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 01:06.08 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 01:06.24 | grendelson | wizzo: Pretty sure I saw that at the debian faq (maybe not ) uninstall kde-base |
| 01:06.26 | wizzo | Thanks. |
| 01:06.36 | grendelson | Oh yeah kdelibs ooops |
| 01:06.46 | wizzo | Ok. And uh.. anyone know about the cron problem though? |
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| 01:07.03 | maddoc | wizzo: It don't say anything about what? |
| 01:07.03 | centrx | wizzo, doesn't the e-mail tell you what fials? |
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| 01:07.24 | wizzo | It just tells me the folder and what command failed. |
| 01:07.26 | wizzo | Not the file. |
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| 01:07.41 | wizzo | It says #! /bin/sh doesn't exist on each one. |
| 01:07.47 | wizzo | But I'm positive it does. |
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| 01:07.58 | wizzo | su |
| 01:08.04 | wizzo | .. whoops. |
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| 01:08.59 | pinecone | What would you recommend to install for emacs? |
| 01:09.01 | wizzo | It's just so incredibly annoying it telling me I have like 20 new mail messages. |
| 01:09.07 | wizzo | Every time I run something. |
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| 01:10.58 | abrotman | so fix your cron job |
| 01:11.20 | wizzo | But I don't know where it is. It doesn't say. |
| 01:11.21 | dbrock | pinecone: well, what do you want to do? |
| 01:12.04 | grendelson | wizzo, ls -la `which sh` gives you what? |
| 01:12.52 | wizzo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:13.34 | grendelson | Not sure but should there be a space between #! and /bin/sh or does it not matter (someone else?) |
| 01:13.46 | delire_away | no spaces required |
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| 01:14.16 | pinecone | Which: emacs or Xemacs, for one. I'm intersted in a really good non-x env |
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| 01:14.56 | wizzo | 3 jobs mail /bin/sh: line 1: root: command not found |
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| 01:17.17 | ootput | does anybody know how to get (in an xterm environment) the Backspace key to operate correctly (delete char before cursor) intead of printing ^? as it does in vim? |
| 01:17.40 | ootput | it works fine at the commandline; it's only problematic in vim. I've tried :h :fixdel suggestions to no avail |
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| 01:17.56 | intero | is there a way to avoid ctrl-alt-backspace to restart x? |
| 01:18.14 | useruser | intero: locate the relevant process and kill it |
| 01:18.46 | intero | useruser: nope, i accidentally happen to hit that key combination quite often... :P |
| 01:18.47 | useruser | intero: oh i misunderstood your question i think |
| 01:18.56 | useruser | intero: yes, edit the X config file |
| 01:19.16 | intero | oh, didn't know there was an option there. thanks useruser |
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| 01:20.01 | IdahoEv | Does anyone know a good "For noobs" introduction to exim or MTAs in general? I need to learn how to write redirection routers but the reference info in the online docs is kind of over my head without more concrete examples. |
| 01:20.15 | gnufan | intero: me neither -- Option "DontZap" -- the ctrl-alt-del is in inittab -- but that is kind of handy |
| 01:20.51 | intero | thanks gnufan |
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| 01:21.35 | abrotman | IdahoEv: ask #exim if that's what you're using |
| 01:23.37 | IdahoEv | abrotman: Totally dead, alas. But the simple thing I want to do could probably be done with /etc/aliases, or maybe procmail, etc. I'm just a little awash with only reference info on all of these instead of an intro guide. I know very little about mail handling in general and I'm not sure where to get started. |
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| 01:24.50 | abrotman | IdahoEv: i don't use exim for real mail .. you'd do better to wait for someone to answer you there |
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| 01:25.25 | tbx | kinda urgent - how can I write my CD .iso to my external USB drive so that I can boot from it to install? |
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| 01:25.48 | centrx | ok so x.org 6.9.0 crahsed |
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| 01:26.39 | peterS | tbx: your external usb drive should support the 'usb-storage' and 'sr_mod' and 'sg' kernel modules. load those. |
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| 01:28.40 | peterS | tbx: then use 'cdrecord -scanbus' to see what the device name will be - probably 'dev=0,0' - then 'cdrecord dev=0,0 -v -eject filename.iso' |
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| 01:32.06 | tbx | peterS, thank you! |
| 01:32.13 | peterS | np |
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| 01:32.37 | peterS | tbx: oh, also note, if you don't have the 'ehci_hcd' kernel module loaded, for access to high-speed USB devices, you probably need that as well |
| 01:32.57 | tbx | peterS, roger. wilco. |
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| 01:33.48 | robin__ | meep? |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:34.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:34.30 | robin__ | this debian thing I just installed .. can't seem to find the C: drive ... |
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| 01:35.06 | Azar | well good evening |
| 01:35.15 | robin__ | :) |
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| 01:35.25 | Azar | robin__: Debian does not have a C drive -- live with it |
| 01:35.31 | bucky | robin__, / == C:\ |
| 01:35.56 | phu | hi |
| 01:36.00 | amphi | robin__: drive letters are medieval |
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| 01:36.03 | robin__ | shh, it was just my little joke ... but thanks for taking part anyhow :) |
| 01:36.20 | peterS | C drive. C drive format. Format, drive, format! |
| 01:36.27 | phu | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential |
| 01:36.27 | phu | package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often |
| 01:36.27 | phu | bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 01:36.27 | phu | option. |
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| 01:36.33 | Azar | o/t news for fun: Google Copies Your Hard Drive: Govt Smiles in Anticipation |
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| 01:37.06 | ke6isf | !tell phu -about flood |
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| 01:37.21 | robin__ | peterS, see spot. see spot run. see spot fandango on core. |
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| 01:37.32 | googlah | hi people |
| 01:37.52 | phu | has anyone got a problem with e2fs? |
| 01:38.04 | jmg | em64t is going to become an official arch for etch right? |
| 01:38.21 | phu | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential |
| 01:38.31 | ice_1963 | what is the newest version of xserver-xorg ? |
| 01:38.37 | phu | package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often |
| 01:38.38 | googlah | i've made alot of configurations and when i rebooted it started with text interface! how do it start the GUI? |
| 01:38.44 | googlah | i would appriciate a command, thx. |
| 01:38.53 | ke6isf | phu: You flooded the channel already with that. |
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| 01:39.03 | ke6isf | !tell googlah -about drxx |
| 01:39.37 | ice_1963 | for testing |
| 01:39.48 | ke6isf | !info xserver-xorg testing |
| 01:39.56 | ice_1963 | yes |
| 01:40.01 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 5767 kB, Installed size: 14912 kB |
| 01:40.06 | ke6isf | ice_1963: There you go. |
| 01:40.06 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 01:40.50 | ice_1963 | thank you |
| 01:40.53 | ke6isf | phu: What exactly are you trying to do that's producing that error? |
| 01:41.20 | googlah | ke6isf, allright, i did reconfigure it. rebooting now. |
| 01:41.24 | phu | I am trying to port debian 2.4.30 kernel to a routerboard |
| 01:41.29 | ke6isf | googlah: YOu shouldn't need to outright reboot. |
| 01:41.56 | phu | I can run the reference image from the provider |
| 01:41.57 | googlah | :S |
| 01:42.28 | phu | however, when I try to use apt-get install gcc or other packages, it output the error msg |
| 01:42.33 | googlah | ke6isf, thank you so much, it seems to work now :o) |
| 01:42.54 | ke6isf | !tell phu -about enter |
| 01:42.59 | phu | with temporarily removing e2fsprogs |
| 01:43.23 | disposable | are old systems, pre-woody, still supported? i mean are there still any online apt sources for them? ( i discovered an old computer with potato) |
| 01:43.55 | wireddd | I think potato is done |
| 01:44.12 | fatal_ | disposable: they are not supported (ie. get security updates), but they are still available online. |
| 01:44.17 | wireddd | I am pretty sure old stable is where support stops |
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| 01:44.36 | mischko | What package do I need to install on Sarge to get NFS server going? |
| 01:44.51 | wajig|sarge | nfs-common ? |
| 01:44.57 | disposable | fatal_: available online meaning, i can still install things over the internet? i have no potato cd |
| 01:45.05 | wajig|sarge | should be installed by the way |
| 01:45.13 | mischko | thanks. |
| 01:45.31 | wajig|sarge | at least i had to shut it down to harden my system *g* |
| 01:45.56 | fatal_ | disposable: I know there are unofficial netinst disks for woody, don't know about older versions.... |
| 01:46.19 | ke6isf | disposable: Might be time to dist-upgrade. Potato's done, and WOody'll be done by the middle of this year. |
| 01:46.36 | googlah | gah, linux make me crazy. i've made several configurations and now the applications-menu (gnome) shows both gnome and kde applications. what is wrong? |
| 01:46.38 | wireddd | disposable, why not just upgrade to sarge? |
| 01:47.15 | wireddd | googlah, you can use kde apps in gnome |
| 01:47.22 | wireddd | and the other way around too |
| 01:47.27 | disposable | is it safe to skip woody? or even sarge and go all the way to etch? there are just console tools there. |
| 01:47.35 | chealer_ | disposable: no |
| 01:47.45 | chealer_ | !tell disposable about archive |
| 01:47.48 | phu | anyone can help me with e2fs problem? |
| 01:47.49 | googlah | yeah, i know i can use 'em, but i don't want kde-apps to show up when using gnome. hmm.. ;/ |
| 01:48.01 | chealer_ | doh |
| 01:48.04 | chealer_ | !archive |
| 01:48.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive, or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:48.37 | chealer_ | phu: nobody knows. ask a question, then you may have an answer |
| 01:49.17 | wireddd | phu if we could read minds we wouldn't be on irc... |
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| 01:49.29 | disposable | chealer_: what is that supposed to mean? i'm not asking about archives. i just want to know if i can change sources.list from potato to etch or whether i have to go to woody, then sarge and then etch. |
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| 01:49.32 | marccd | how can I show search for a package in aptitude? |
| 01:50.02 | intero | / |
| 01:50.04 | phu | I got a error msg "temporarily removing the essential |
| 01:50.04 | phu | package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop" when I trying to use apt-get install |
| 01:50.05 | chealer_ | disposable: you asked two questions. the answer to the second question was no. |
| 01:50.22 | peterS | marccd: "/" to search, "?" to get the help screen that explains stuff like that |
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| 01:50.40 | marccd | peterS: thanks, I am just learning how to use aptitude, it seems nice |
| 01:50.45 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 01:50.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:50.49 | peterS | marccd: yes, it *is* nice |
| 01:51.21 | wajig|sarge | marccd, you might try apt-cache search <whatyouwant> instead |
| 01:51.45 | peterS | wajig|sarge: or even 'aptitude search <whatyouwant>' |
| 01:51.52 | marccd | wajig|sarge: oh I know how to handle myself with apt tools |
| 01:52.13 | mischko | Hmmm. I just had to install nfs-common. Yet there is no "man exports" available. |
| 01:52.31 | wajig|sarge | ic |
| 01:52.57 | phu | thanks dpkg |
| 01:52.57 | dpkg | sure thing, phu |
| 01:53.23 | Durin | mischko: you need nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server |
| 01:54.09 | mischko | Durin, thanks. |
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| 01:55.32 | gnufan | mischko: nfs-kernel-server: /etc/exports -- "apt-cache search nfs server" would have got an answer quicker |
| 01:55.44 | googlah | how to remove kde and all it's apps completely? |
| 01:55.50 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 01:55.50 | dpkg | i guess remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 01:56.01 | googlah | !tell googlah -about kde |
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| 01:56.14 | ice_1963 | how can i check the version of xserver-xorg i have installed? |
| 01:56.27 | wajig|sarge | how can i prevent swat from listening to network? i want it to listen on lo only |
| 01:56.30 | ice_1963 | pl |
| 01:56.30 | gnufan | Why is everyone wanting to know how to remove KDE -- some sort on anti-linus group developing? |
| 01:56.37 | abrotman | kde sucks |
| 01:56.37 | mischko | gnufan, thanks. I've not seen apt-cache yet. Very handy. |
| 01:56.53 | robin__ | kde sucks donkey whang |
| 01:57.04 | ice_1963 | well love kde :0) |
| 01:57.12 | wireddd | I personally can't stand gnome |
| 01:57.21 | Azar | I can't stand both |
| 01:57.27 | ootput | does anybody know how to get (in an xterm environment) the Backspace key to operate correctly (delete char before cursor) intead of printing ^? as it does in vim? |
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| 01:57.32 | ootput | it works fine at the commandline; it's only problematic in vim. I've tried :h :fixdel suggestions to no avail |
| 01:57.58 | mischko | ootput, iirc, try "stty erase <press your backspace button>" |
| 01:58.01 | ice_1963 | i rather run fluxbox lol |
| 01:58.13 | ootput | mischko: that's for the xterm environment only? |
| 01:58.17 | gnufan | ootput: depends what you mean -- temporarily you can issue "stty erase ^?" to set the erase key, but it should work if the terminal serrings are right |
| 01:58.17 | wajig|sarge | i was addicted to fluxbox, but gnome ist quite okay. kde seems to be pure chaos |
| 01:58.20 | ootput | mischko: only vim is acting up |
| 01:58.32 | robin__ | kde is a bloater |
| 01:58.42 | Azar | gnome is a bloater too |
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| 01:59.03 | googlah | !tell googlah -about install kde |
| 01:59.04 | ootput | mischko, gnufan: Console, xterm, and zsh work fine. It has more to do with vim not being smart enough. |
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| 01:59.14 | hannya | amigos tengo problema |
| 01:59.16 | hannya | el problema |
| 01:59.17 | robin__ | not as fat as KDE ... gnome is your sort of "guy with a bit of a gut" .. KDE is your "american, with fries" |
| 01:59.23 | Azar | hannya: |
| 01:59.25 | Azar | !es |
| 01:59.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:59.33 | ice_1963 | kde & gnome are both good |
| 01:59.34 | hannya | no me kiere habrir amsn . amule |
| 01:59.49 | Azar | hannya: >> esto es #debian |
| 02:01.01 | googlah | hehe, made a fresh install of sarge some hours ago, i have fucked it up completely right now |
| 02:01.14 | gnufan | Which channels do questions on leaking central heating boilers go :( |
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| 02:01.20 | wajig|sarge | cool... how did you manage that?! |
| 02:01.29 | wajig|sarge | googlah, i meant |
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| 02:01.53 | googlah | i dunno.. removed some stuff, installed some stuff. |
| 02:01.53 | robin__ | gnufan, oil or gas fired? |
| 02:02.06 | gnufan | robin__: gas - sealed system |
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| 02:02.20 | wajig|sarge | googlah, your sure it wasn' t foobar 2000 *g* |
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| 02:02.24 | Azar | googlah: it is ok I had 57 installs during the past three years, now I learned how to work with Debian.. reinstall |
| 02:02.58 | googlah | woah azar, that was alot. yeah, i guess i have to do that ;/ |
| 02:03.01 | robin__ | gnufan, ater leak I take it? from a fitting? |
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| 02:03.20 | googlah | but you're right, you learn something new everytime something goes wrong azar. |
| 02:03.41 | wajig|sarge | the name of this is SID |
| 02:03.55 | gnufan | robin__: First I noticed it took out my Debian boxes --- the water got in the electrics and tripped the ring main. Yes water leak, not gas - gas is easy we just call the emergency number for gas leaks..... |
| 02:04.17 | wajig|sarge | you should not "learn" anythin on sarge ;-) |
| 02:04.18 | robin__ | time to get out the big spanners |
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| 02:04.40 | robin__ | unless its a "green death" problem |
| 02:04.41 | ootput | gnufan: bad luck mate |
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| 02:05.01 | googlah | allright, a fresh copy of sarge, can i in some way just install the gnome-package, without kde? |
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| 02:05.12 | googlah | manually |
| 02:05.32 | morora | what's the diff between ext2, Reiserf and ext3 filesystem? |
| 02:05.43 | googlah | there is a option at the installation to choose packages manually, what is the command for installing gnome-envoirment? |
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| 02:06.39 | wajig|sarge | ext2 no journal, ext3 journal=yes, reiserfs=journal + fast on small files |
| 02:06.43 | robin__ | morora, ext 3 is ext with a journal on top .. you can run an ext3 as ext2 if you feel the need. reiserfs is different entirely .. adavnced, but not as solid as ext3 ... so they say |
| 02:06.54 | wajig|sarge | but in newest version not supported in kernel |
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| 02:07.47 | robin__ | ive used reiserfs on top of a software rais and got great performance on both large and small files |
| 02:07.47 | morora | robin__: what is the easiest way to find out what is the fs of my system" |
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| 02:08.04 | wajig|sarge | mount |
| 02:08.35 | robin__ | morora, look in /etc/mtab || fstab? |
| 02:08.53 | wajig|sarge | mount will tell him too |
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| 02:09.08 | robin__ | true .. |
| 02:09.14 | robin__ | dint know that |
| 02:09.22 | wajig|sarge | but nice use of pipes *g* |
| 02:09.23 | tomas_ | i can't play wmv files! is there some place to get codecs? |
| 02:10.15 | robin__ | that wasnt a pipe, that was a logical "OR" |
| 02:10.18 | robin__ | :) |
| 02:10.29 | wajig|sarge | an that was a joke *g* |
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| 02:10.39 | robin__ | I laughed :) |
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| 02:10.51 | morora | robin__: thks, mine is a ext2. if i want to change it to ext3, how should i do it, without losing any of my current files? |
| 02:11.31 | gnufan | wajig|sarge: stop with the pipe jokes ;) |
| 02:11.43 | wajig|sarge | smokin |
| 02:11.50 | Durin | morora: man tune2fs |
| 02:12.04 | orchid | tomas_: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:12.35 | tomas_ | okay |
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| 02:13.03 | abrotman | maybe doing that big update on testing was a bad idea |
| 02:13.43 | robin__ | I think mke2fs -J can also be used to create a ext3 journal on a ext2 .. |
| 02:13.48 | robin__ | anyway ... |
| 02:14.14 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, let me guess... problems with udev and dbu? |
| 02:14.17 | wajig|sarge | dbus? |
| 02:14.30 | comsa | goolah what distro u using |
| 02:14.40 | morora | Durin: thks, had a brief look there. is it as simple as 'tune2fs -j ...'?, got to recompile the kernel too, right? |
| 02:15.08 | abrotman | wajig|sarge: no . i have no panels .. among other things |
| 02:15.18 | morora | robin__: looking up mke2fs. |
| 02:15.25 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, rough |
| 02:15.42 | abrotman | wajig|sarge: it's actually more confusing than anything .. |
| 02:15.46 | robin__ | create the journal file, then just change the entry in /etc/fstab to ext3 instead of ext 2 ... dont forget to run grub or lilo or whatever your bootloader is if you are changingf the type of your root partition |
| 02:15.53 | abrotman | my 2x2 workspaces have turned into 4x1 |
| 02:16.03 | Durin | morora: if its not the root filesystem i think yes, if you use stock debian kernels ext3 support is already compiled in |
| 02:16.32 | robin__ | yeah, no need to recompile a kernel |
| 02:16.47 | wajig|sarge | well there is a reason why it's wajig|sarge *g* have been on kanotix (sid) for a long time *g* |
| 02:16.57 | robin__ | if its the root patition, you need to do the mkinitrd thing usually |
| 02:17.09 | kspath | abrotman: ion3 -> problem solved |
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| 02:17.35 | abrotman | boo |
| 02:17.40 | zach | hey guys, how do i go about installing java-package on sarge? |
| 02:17.40 | kspath | hoo |
| 02:17.44 | abrotman | kanotix is NOT debian |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | it's not even close |
| 02:18.23 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, it's based on... but i dont't want to make a crusade out of this issue |
| 02:18.37 | morora | robin__: Durin: mke2fs and tune2fs is good for creating new fs. it is ok for changing fr ext2 to ext3? won't mess up the system? |
| 02:18.50 | zach | apt-get install java-package file not found |
| 02:18.58 | abrotman | wajig|sarge: good .. you'd be wrong |
| 02:19.02 | Durin | morora: tune2fs is for existing filesystems |
| 02:19.19 | chealer_ | zach: file not found? |
| 02:19.23 | robin__ | tune2fs is probably the one to go for ... |
| 02:19.24 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, whatever... it's not a religion |
| 02:19.33 | dvs | zach: add contrib to your sources.list |
| 02:19.35 | abrotman | no . it's a fact .. kanotix is not debian |
| 02:19.58 | zach | dvs how do i do that? |
| 02:20.08 | robin__ | im fairly certain that mke2fs -J is ok on existing systems too, but ... try it on a unloved partition before using it on something you care about |
| 02:20.16 | dvs | !contrib |
| 02:20.16 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
| 02:21.05 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, tell that jörg and he will be glad to hear... |
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| 02:21.19 | abrotman | wajig|sarge: fine .. where is he? |
| 02:21.30 | wajig|sarge | #kanotix *g* |
| 02:21.32 | kspath | get him out here |
| 02:21.42 | abrotman | i'm not going to find him to tell him he's a tard |
| 02:21.46 | wajig|sarge | wow, no hard feelings |
| 02:22.04 | zach | dvs what exactly do i add? i have sources.list open |
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| 02:22.13 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 02:22.13 | dpkg | hmm... based on debian is Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 02:22.14 | wajig|sarge | as i said, this is no issue for me |
| 02:22.24 | abrotman | then don't tell people you're running debian .. you're not |
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| 02:22.31 | dvs | zach: dpkg told you |
| 02:22.49 | jetscreamer | abrotman: it's close. |
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| 02:23.01 | abrotman | close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades |
| 02:23.09 | jetscreamer | and atom bombs |
| 02:23.13 | jetscreamer | and MY FARTS |
| 02:23.22 | kspath | supervolcanos |
| 02:23.29 | zach | yourmirror? |
| 02:23.32 | wajig|sarge | omg |
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| 02:23.39 | morora | Durin: 'tune2fs -j <device>' would do it? |
| 02:23.40 | zach | !contrib |
| 02:23.40 | dpkg | contrib is probably debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
| 02:23.42 | wajig|sarge | what have i done |
| 02:23.52 | dvs | zach: after that |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | showed everyone how little you know |
| 02:23.54 | jetscreamer | morora: to add a journal yeah |
| 02:24.01 | dvs | zach: the last 6 works |
| 02:24.03 | jetscreamer | to ext2 |
| 02:24.03 | dvs | zach: the last 6 words |
| 02:24.03 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, nice |
| 02:24.15 | kspath | !kanotix_smite wajig|sarge |
| 02:24.18 | jetscreamer | kanotix is tight, good distro |
| 02:24.19 | robin_sz | morora, for any real performance gain, the journal needs to be on a bit of battery -backed ram |
| 02:24.25 | jetscreamer | this is debian though |
| 02:24.28 | morora | jetscreamer: i want to change fr ext2 to ext3. |
| 02:24.30 | zach | non-free contrib ? |
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| 02:24.36 | jetscreamer | morora: yeah that's how |
| 02:24.50 | Durin | morora: yep, and dont forget to change ext2 to ext3 in /etc/fstab |
| 02:24.51 | atroncoso | quien habla español? |
| 02:24.58 | EdLin | !es |
| 02:24.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:25.03 | jetscreamer | morora: make it /dev/hda1 not hda eh... or whatever |
| 02:25.11 | tomas_ | VLC probably does not support this sound or video format. |
| 02:25.11 | tomas_ | [00000317] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `WMV3'. |
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| 02:25.19 | jetscreamer | atroncoso: /join #debian-es |
| 02:25.24 | tomas_ | hey, where to find! hav e googled : |
| 02:25.31 | Durin | morora: if possible umount the filesystem before calling tune2fs |
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| 02:25.44 | jetscreamer | tomas_: got marillat? |
| 02:25.55 | KerPlunk | I have a music cd in my laptop right now...what program can I use to rip it to ogg?an easy program |
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| 02:25.59 | morora | jetscreamer: thks. but there is no mention of fs type in the command. how would it know i want to change fr ext2 to ext3? |
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| 02:26.13 | jetscreamer | morora: the -j adds a journal' |
| 02:26.22 | jetscreamer | that's the only diff |
| 02:26.28 | jetscreamer | between 2&3 |
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| 02:26.57 | tomas_ | jetscreamer: i can't see how to get it.. it is some codec? |
| 02:26.59 | morora | Durin: thks, that is mention in the man. i'll have to read in details before doing anything. |
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| 02:27.16 | jetscreamer | tomas_: it may be, and it may be in w32codecs, which is on marillat |
| 02:27.20 | jetscreamer | so.. got marillat? |
| 02:27.36 | jetscreamer | !tell tomas_ -about marillat |
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| 02:28.23 | jetscreamer | morora: been there done that. that's the command, but yes don't ever blindly type stuff weird ppl tell you :) |
| 02:28.32 | KerPlunk | How do I mount a cd with copy protection? |
| 02:28.52 | zebalin7 | Hey folks. I have a etch on 2.6.12-386 kernel with a 2.5 hz Pent. 4 with 1 gb ram. Will I see any real difference with a 2.15-1-686 kernel? |
| 02:28.54 | jetscreamer | just mount it maybe |
| 02:29.01 | KerPlunk | jetscreamer: that doesn't work |
| 02:29.04 | morora | jetscreamer: agree. |
| 02:29.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:29.10 | abrotman | zebalin7: check the changelog |
| 02:29.18 | KerPlunk | zebalin7: no |
| 02:29.19 | dvs | zebalin7: If you have to upgrade to something closer to your cpu, that would be it. |
| 02:29.42 | stoner | hi, i just installed sid over netinstall on amd64 - i cannot get gdm running because python seems missing! can some1 help me? |
| 02:29.50 | zach | dvs what line to look for in sources.list ? |
| 02:29.52 | jetscreamer | 386 vs 686 probably yes you will notice |
| 02:29.55 | KerPlunk | !tell stoner about sid |
| 02:29.58 | abrotman | stoner: apt-get install python ? |
| 02:30.08 | jetscreamer | gdm depends on python? |
| 02:30.11 | fooad | a stupid question, what happends if we ran out of code names ( potato, etch , etc..) from the toy story movie, what code names will used? |
| 02:30.13 | GPLGeek | stoner, also apt-get moo |
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| 02:30.16 | dvs | *sigh* |
| 02:30.42 | jetscreamer | sarge2, the sequel |
| 02:30.53 | jetscreamer | 'siddy' |
| 02:31.04 | stoner | gdm requires python, jap, and this package is just missing in sid/amd64 |
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| 02:31.13 | stoner | what can i do? :) |
| 02:31.16 | jetscreamer | gdm or gdb |
| 02:31.22 | KerPlunk | fooad: There is probably 200 years worth of names left...so when that time comes they'll think of something. |
| 02:31.22 | stoner | gdm *sry* |
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| 02:31.36 | jetscreamer | gnome display manager? |
| 02:31.40 | stoner | yes |
| 02:31.48 | rj_not_ajay | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.49 | rj_not_ajay | nice |
| 02:31.52 | poli | Is there any infrared keyboard application package? |
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| 02:32.05 | jetscreamer | lirc? |
| 02:32.08 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 02:32.15 | jetscreamer | !lirc |
| 02:32.15 | dpkg | [lirc] Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~columbus/lirc/, or now at http://www.lirc.org |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | KerPlunk: not really |
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| 02:33.07 | chrisq | yup lirc would probably do it |
| 02:33.09 | poli | jetscreamer: hum... I know lirc but I hadn't imagined it would do the trick. Might be worth a try. There is a app developed by PDA guys called kbdd, but no support for my keyboard yet. Thanks. |
| 02:33.15 | wajig|sarge | if the names would be the only problem |
| 02:33.19 | chrisq | too bad most distros fuck up lirc |
| 02:33.25 | poli | chrisq: How? |
| 02:33.42 | zebalin7 | abrotman: no change log available in pdo.debian. Maybe kernel.org? |
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| 02:33.56 | jetscreamer | !compiz |
| 02:34.02 | abrotman | zebalin7: none at all? |
| 02:34.14 | jetscreamer | !xgl |
| 02:34.17 | chrisq | poli: i havent used it that often, but whenever i have tried it hasnt worked. last distros i tried were debian based |
| 02:34.21 | zebalin7 | abrotman: http://pdo.debian.net/testing/base/linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 02:34.37 | zebalin7 | abrotman: scroll down to 'changelog' and click. |
| 02:34.52 | abrotman | zebalin7: they didn't mirror it all .. you can download the package . unpack it manually .. and the check it that way |
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| 02:35.07 | poli | Yup. I think we have a winner: You can e.g. configure X to use your remote control as an input device. |
| 02:35.41 | poli | It obviously has the ability to decode stuff. Now I have to find out how difficult it will be to get a full keyboard translated. |
| 02:35.47 | zach | dvs that makes no sense to me |
| 02:35.52 | zach | i have no line like that.. |
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| 02:36.20 | dvs | zach: I cannot make it any more clearer than the contrib factiod |
| 02:36.20 | NaufraGo | mm |
| 02:36.32 | NaufraGo | the kde's sound system doesn't work |
| 02:36.39 | NaufraGo | I've installed alsa |
| 02:36.45 | zach | ok thanks anyway ill try google |
| 02:36.45 | NaufraGo | and my audio card's module |
| 02:37.06 | zebalin7 | abrotman: ok, thanx |
| 02:37.07 | NaufraGo | now, I set the kde's sound system by alsa |
| 02:37.13 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? |
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| 02:37.16 | tomas_ | 6% [1 w32codecs 834048/13,2MB 6%] 31,4kB/s 6m34s |
| 02:37.23 | tomas_ | flippin' sweet :) |
| 02:37.28 | abrotman | tomas_: yay for dialup ? |
| 02:37.28 | GPLGeek | NaufraGo, look up soundwrapper |
| 02:38.01 | GPLGeek | there is a faq about kde sound somewhere but I dont have it in my links anymore since I use fluxbox |
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| 02:38.08 | tomas_ | well i am leeching my neighbours wlan hm.. using |
| 02:38.18 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 02:38.19 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 02:38.21 | tomas_ | yes. :) timer on the modem :) :( |
| 02:38.37 | NaufraGo | artswrapper? |
| 02:40.21 | morora | There is another thing i want to do. I run a dual-OS system. Right now I have a 30G partition for WinXP and 10G for Debian. I want to later it to 30G for Debian and 10G for WinXP. I am prepared to remove and reinstall WinXp in a 10G partition. How can I use the left-over 20G for Debian? Can I merge it to the current 10G to increase it to 30G or it can the left-over be used only as a separate... |
| 02:40.23 | morora | ...20G partition? I intend to use the 'make partition' utility in the installation disk to do this. Can it be done? |
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| 02:40.47 | morora | s/later/alter |
| 02:40.58 | NaufraGo | Admin:~# artswrapper ... >> running as realtime process now (priority 50) |
| 02:41.10 | jetscreamer | back it up to dvd and repartition is the 'best' way(imo |
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| 02:41.16 | jetscreamer | back it up whatever you do |
| 02:41.21 | GPLGeek | morora, not wise to resize or merge partitions |
| 02:41.46 | jetscreamer | that's only 2 or 3 dvd's for 10g worth |
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| 02:42.17 | jetscreamer | hell some isp's give you more than that online |
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| 02:42.36 | GPLGeek | morora it would be wise to install windows first on 10gb and then let the debian cd partition everything else and then install that way grub or lilo whatever you choose can be installed over xp's crappy bootloader |
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| 02:43.15 | jetscreamer | why is xp's bootloader crappy |
| 02:43.21 | morora | GPLGeek: can't be help. i have to start small with Debian. Now that I know it can do a lot, I want to give it more space. |
| 02:43.41 | Jambon | anyone know which is more up to date: ubuntu dapper drake or debian etch? |
| 02:43.41 | KerPlunk | What is a good program that is easy for ripping a cd to ogg, I want each track seperate. |
| 02:43.50 | wajig|sarge | jetscreamer, cause it can't load more tha one kernel |
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| 02:43.55 | abrotman | Jambon: what is dapper? |
| 02:44.00 | jetscreamer | wajig|sarge: huh? |
| 02:44.10 | Jambon | abrotman: the next ubuntu release |
| 02:44.19 | wajig|sarge | jetscreamer, you asked about xp boot loader |
| 02:44.29 | jetscreamer | no i wan't you to explain your statement |
| 02:44.31 | wajig|sarge | didn' t you |
| 02:44.52 | jetscreamer | but perhaps that's best left for another time/chan |
| 02:44.54 | chealer_ | Jambon: none |
| 02:45.02 | wajig|sarge | sure |
| 02:45.05 | Jambon | chealer_: ??? |
| 02:45.16 | Jambon | what they're the same? |
| 02:45.26 | jetscreamer | you can boot linux with the ntbootloader btw |
| 02:45.27 | GPLGeek | "more up to date" would be in the eyes of the beholder. Debian does have some advantage over dapper if you really know debian... |
| 02:45.36 | jetscreamer | it's just more difficult to set up |
| 02:45.38 | zebalin7 | There is a 2.6-12 and a 2.6-15 in etch. What happened to 2.6.13 and 14???? Curious only. |
| 02:45.46 | chealer_ | Jambon: you can't compare Ubuntu and Debian that way, they have different packages |
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| 02:45.56 | keck0f | could you help solve "Can't locate overload.pm in @INC" when installing "libpango1.0-common" or "php5-cgi" on sid amd64. any idea? |
| 02:45.56 | wajig|sarge | jetscreamer, hm, didn't know that. not bad |
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| 02:46.00 | GPLGeek | jetscreamer, i knew you would answer your own question about my comment I just had to give you some time |
| 02:46.19 | justletters | hey i got the w32codecs for playing wmv3. still won't play in vlc! |
| 02:46.22 | chealer_ | zebalin7: there is no 2.6-12 nor 2.6-15 in etch |
| 02:46.24 | Jambon | chealer_: well, ok, I'm just getting frustrated with some of the lack of packages in ubuntu |
| 02:46.27 | wajig|sarge | jetscreamer, i'm not very used to win anymore |
| 02:46.29 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:47.02 | Jambon | is there really much of a difference with ease of use between the two? |
| 02:47.15 | chealer_ | keck0f: which perl? |
| 02:47.15 | zebalin7 | linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 from synaptic pointed at testing. |
| 02:47.19 | GPLGeek | Yes we do have a lot of packages and yes they do take time to update but I've never had a problem with any released version of debian, the results of testing may change from time to time. |
| 02:47.49 | jetscreamer | justletters: not sure then. wmv3 sounds kinda new |
| 02:47.52 | abrotman | Jambon: dapper and testing are not nearly the same |
| 02:47.53 | chealer_ | Jambon: presumably, otherwise ubuntu wouldn't have forked, but you'd better ask them |
| 02:48.05 | keck0f | chealer_: 5.8.8 ("debconf: Perl may be unconfigured ..." what can i do to configure it?) |
| 02:48.08 | Jambon | i did. they don't know debian |
| 02:48.18 | jetscreamer | !info linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 etch |
| 02:48.19 | Jambon | so they told me to ask you guys |
| 02:48.19 | chealer_ | keck0f: the debian version |
| 02:48.26 | Jambon | and thus the vicious cylce |
| 02:48.27 | keck0f | chealer_: amd64 sid |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | Jambon: is dapper a release .. or a work in progress? |
| 02:48.40 | GPLGeek | Work in progress |
| 02:48.40 | jetscreamer | wir soon to be released |
| 02:48.47 | Jambon | on 420 |
| 02:48.55 | bucky | zebalin7, the kernel developers found a local exploit in everything below 2.6.15.1 |
| 02:48.58 | Jambon | which is why they should call it Doobie Drake |
| 02:49.04 | chealer_ | Jambon: hah. if you ask me, use Debian Etch. otherwise, try both |
| 02:49.09 | justletters | oh :( /exec -o killall - 9 irssi |
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| 02:49.26 | Jambon | right |
| 02:49.39 | zebalin7 | bucky: hmmm. I have 2.6.12-1-386 that came with etch. should I upgrade? |
| 02:49.42 | chealer_ | keck0f: I'm asking the debian version/revision of your perl packages |
| 02:49.49 | EdLin | Jambon: Debian Sid is more stable than Dapper is now, if there is any of those dusty old version numbers you don't like, you run sid. |
| 02:50.01 | jetscreamer | -386 vs -i686 yes for that p4 |
| 02:50.05 | gnufan | Whats the sensible way to automate keeping upto date with sid? I'm thinking cron-apt "trivial-only".... |
| 02:50.15 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.15-1-686: (Linux kernel 2.6.15 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.15-4 (etch), Packaged size: 15408 kB, Installed size: 44020 kB |
| 02:50.17 | bucky | zebalin7, i think that one is ok.. you asked why 13 and 14 where 'missing' |
| 02:50.27 | jetscreamer | cron-apt and apt-listbugs |
| 02:50.32 | zebalin7 | jetscreamer: will it make a difference.... 386 vs i686? |
| 02:50.39 | keck0f | chealer_: perl_5.8.8-1_amd64.deb |
| 02:50.40 | jetscreamer | cron-apt only d/l's the packages |
| 02:50.44 | bucky | keck0f, cp /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/overload.pm /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/ or build 5.8.8-2 from source |
| 02:50.47 | EdLin | gnufan: you *don't* want to update sid automatically. |
| 02:50.51 | jetscreamer | not installes em (maybe you can tell it to though) |
| 02:50.53 | chealer_ | keck0f: are you sure your system is up-to-date? |
| 02:51.02 | jetscreamer | zebalin7: for the 3rd time, yes imo |
| 02:51.06 | gnufan | jetscreamer: you can tell it to |
| 02:51.07 | rj_not_ajay | how do you guys feel about ubuntu? |
| 02:51.20 | zebalin7 | jetscreamer: don't yell. I never saw the first two answers. |
| 02:51.22 | jetscreamer | i feel like it's in #ubuntu |
| 02:51.32 | gnufan | rj_not_ajay: its a nice distro, I used the liveCD sometimes |
| 02:51.32 | jetscreamer | NO THIS IS YELLING |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | why did my system stop beeping . god damn it |
| 02:51.39 | GPLGeek | rj_not_ajay, I think competition is good but we are obviously here despite all other choices. |
| 02:51.48 | rj_not_ajay | is it competition? |
| 02:51.49 | keck0f | bucky: "/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/overload.pm" does not exist. |
| 02:51.51 | zebalin7 | whatever. sorry. |
| 02:51.59 | jetscreamer | np |
| 02:52.06 | Jambon | and at the risk of being flamed, how about support? The Ubuntu forums are HUGE. not to say you guys here aren't helpful (I've gotten tons of help here), but just so i don't need to ask, would the advice on ubuntu forums work in debian? |
| 02:52.11 | GPLGeek | rj_not_ajay, well not really, we all want to offer the best service to the community that we can. |
| 02:52.14 | bucky | keck0f, so what version of debian amd64 and perl are you running? |
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| 02:52.19 | rj_not_ajay | it seems like ubuntu has much of its roots in debian |
| 02:52.26 | abrotman | Jambon: sometimes yes .. sometimes no |
| 02:52.27 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 02:52.27 | EdLin | Jambon: Debian relies on mailing lists rather than web forums |
| 02:52.29 | abrotman | !forums |
| 02:52.29 | dpkg | forums is, like, http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 02:52.31 | rj_not_ajay | its not so much that they are competion, but a younger bro |
| 02:52.32 | jetscreamer | more like most |
| 02:52.35 | EdLin | !ubuntu |
| 02:52.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 02:52.45 | rj_not_ajay | well |
| 02:52.47 | keck0f | bucky: 2006-02-09 09:02 perl_5.8.8-1_amd64.deb |
| 02:52.49 | rj_not_ajay | i know its not debian |
| 02:52.49 | zebalin7 | ok, is a kernel upgrade just a plain old apt-get linux-image-xxxx ? Is it really that easy in debian? |
| 02:52.55 | rj_not_ajay | but it uses deb |
| 02:52.58 | rj_not_ajay | and it is very similar to debian |
| 02:53.01 | EdLin | rj_not_ajay: then why are you talking about it here? |
| 02:53.01 | jetscreamer | even some of their packages say debian in them |
| 02:53.03 | zebalin7 | (apt-get install....) |
| 02:53.06 | rj_not_ajay | ya |
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| 02:53.10 | chealer_ | zebalin7: it should |
| 02:53.12 | freeone3000 | zebalin7: Yeah... |
| 02:53.24 | gnufan | EdLin: well perhaps I need to create an icon that sudo's and runs the update....just they accumulate so quick these days |
| 02:53.27 | fooad | abrotman, adios fucker ;) |
| 02:53.28 | morora | GPLGeek: jetscreamer: thks for the comment. The first think I should do is to back up my system. The problem is, I only only have a cdrw drive. Uploading 40G to a site would take time and the privacy of my data would be compromised. |
| 02:53.31 | abrotman | BEEP GOD DAMN YOU |
| 02:53.33 | wajig|sarge | oh, not again this DEBIAN NOT DEBIAN issue |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | sniff sniff |
| 02:53.49 | keck0f | chealer_: i think i apt-got the latest version. is there a newer one? |
| 02:53.58 | zebalin7 | Hmmm. I came from slackware. Debian really has it's s--t together when it comes to installing stuff. |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | wajig|sarge: debian is debian .. everything else is NOT debian |
| 02:54.08 | GPLGeek | morora, I keep my /home on a seperate hard drive so I can just re-install as I use testing versions. |
| 02:54.11 | bucky | keck0f, so you're running sid? |
| 02:54.11 | ChrisW | oooh, happy smiley as always ;-) |
| 02:54.18 | EdLin | gnufan: it's not a good idea to upgrade sid often. |
| 02:54.19 | jetscreamer | morora: maybe pick up a different hd, new or used... or a burner. cash is tight here though so i know the feeling. |
| 02:54.19 | keck0f | bucky: yep |
| 02:54.20 | GPLGeek | morora, it might be wise to invest in another drive or a dvd burner |
| 02:54.23 | ChrisW | zebalin7: tell me about it, the live cd blew me away today |
| 02:54.29 | ChrisW | up and running in about half an hour |
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| 02:54.36 | ChrisW | and most of that was download time! |
| 02:54.40 | nevyn | what's the name of the package that makes ifupdown check for link before attempting to bring an interface up? |
| 02:54.40 | zebalin7 | ChrisW: which live cd? |
| 02:54.49 | ChrisW | btw: what's the emacs packagecalled on sarge? |
| 02:54.53 | jetscreamer | the lfs livecd |
| 02:54.56 | chealer_ | keck0f: there should, but amd64 isn't an official arch |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | !why is gnome-panel not in testing |
| 02:54.56 | dpkg | gnome-panel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnome-panel |
| 02:55.05 | jetscreamer | !find emacs sarge |
| 02:55.06 | gnufan | wajig|sarge: we are a cynical bunch -- we get all these people turning up with weird "Debian" problems, that they wouldn't have had if they were running Debian. |
| 02:55.10 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, calm down. as i said. this is about os not religion. |
| 02:55.12 | bucky | keck0f, apt-get install perl-modules and then use that cp command ^^ |
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| 02:55.19 | jetscreamer | 21 or < i think |
| 02:55.22 | keck0f | bucky: i'dlike to step back to "2005-12-16 14:17 perl_5.8.7-10_amd64.deb", but how? |
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| 02:55.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'emacs' (7 of 43): (/usr/bin/emacsw) in misc/launcher ;; (/usr/bin/qemacs) in editors/qemacs ;; (/usr/bin/emacs21-x) in editors/emacs21 ;; (/usr/bin/camlp4o_pr_emacs) in devel/otags ;; (/usr/bin/emacs21-nox) in editors/emacs21-nox ;; (/usr/bin/dh_installemacsen) in devel/debhelper ;; (/usr/lib/Amaya/config/amaya.emacs) in web/amaya. |
| 02:55.35 | zebalin7 | Is there a debian liveCD? I know mepis, kanotix, etc. Didn't know there was one for debian 'pure'. |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | wajig|sarge: it's not a religion tard .. it's a fact .. |
| 02:55.48 | keck0f | bucky: ok, i'll try. thax |
| 02:55.55 | ChrisW | emacs21 then? |
| 02:56.06 | jetscreamer | think so.. apt-cache search emacs21 |
| 02:56.07 | chealer_ | zebalin7: not really, unless you consider etch CDs like one |
| 02:56.19 | cyanid3 | Am I going to be flamed if I ask a question here and I'm running ubuntu? |
| 02:56.24 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 02:56.29 | EdLin | cyanid3: /j #ubuntu |
| 02:56.33 | cyanid3 | yeah |
| 02:56.35 | cyanid3 | tried it |
| 02:56.44 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 02:56.44 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:56.46 | gnufan | cyanid3: yes |
| 02:56.47 | zebalin7 | chealer_: etch CD? You mean the net installer? |
| 02:56.48 | GPLGeek | Some days more Ubuntu people come to #debian for help than debian people... It is notable that we can not help people from mandriva here so why would we help ubuntu people here? It's just not the same. from version numbers to implimentation and configuration it's not the same. |
| 02:56.58 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, what is the problem. i did say anything, didn't i? |
| 02:56.59 | morora | GPLGeek: jetscreamer: right, either another hd or a dvd. there will be an IT Show in my locality next month. hope to get a good bargain then. meanwhile will hold on the change. thks for the suggestion. |
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| 02:57.08 | chealer_ | zebalin7: it's one of the CD forms etch can take |
| 02:57.10 | ChrisW | okay, next up, how do I say what login methods a user may use? |
| 02:57.27 | abrotman | wajig|sarge: you did say something .. if you don't like me .. use /ignore .. otherwise .. stop with your "Everything is debian" bullshit |
| 02:57.28 | chealer_ | zebalin7: I'm talking about the rescue mode |
| 02:57.40 | zebalin7 | chealer_: oh. ok, I see. |
| 02:57.40 | cyanid3 | alright |
| 02:57.45 | cyanid3 | that's why i asked |
| 02:57.52 | cyanid3 | have a nice night all |
| 02:57.53 | ChrisW | I tried to ssh in with the uer created during install, but my ssh lcient said auth wasn't llowed using any of the methods I tried |
| 02:58.09 | EdLin | !tell cyanid3 -about enter |
| 02:58.12 | jetscreamer | cyanid3: next time don't say the u word |
| 02:58.15 | zebalin7 | chealer_: I use sysrecucd (or something like that) for rescue purposes... or the kanotix cd if I have one. |
| 02:58.20 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 02:58.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 02:58.21 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, i'm sry. this was not meant to caus any problem |
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| 02:58.23 | keck0f | bucky: "apt-get install --reinstall perl5 perl-modules" caused "debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't locate overload.pm in @INC ...". |
| 02:58.45 | gnufan | ChrisW: what are you logging in from? |
| 02:59.03 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, and it's not personal... so let's stop this fight. peace |
| 02:59.03 | andmau | anyone know delYsid???? |
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| 02:59.04 | ChrisW | another machine :-) |
| 02:59.13 | ChrisW | ssh'ing from my windows desktop box |
| 02:59.19 | abrotman | wajig|sarge: i didn't start it |
| 02:59.23 | dabaR | How do I specify a server for rn/trn? |
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| 02:59.37 | azeem | dabaR: /etc/newsserver, maybe |
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| 02:59.48 | gnufan | ChrisW: I think that error happens when you use a client that only supports SSH1 - I think old versions of Putty and one or two other clients |
| 03:00.04 | azeem | eh, or /etc/news/server rather |
| 03:00.14 | ChrisW | nah, I set it to only use ssh2 :-/ |
| 03:00.14 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, and i didn't want it... blame it on my bad english, if you want to *g* |
| 03:00.15 | andmau | anyone know delYsid???? |
| 03:00.16 | abrotman | azeem: fix etch! :) |
| 03:00.29 | gnufan | ChrisW: ssh 1 has cryptographic weaknesses, so is usually disabled by the truely paranoid |
| 03:00.32 | abrotman | wajig|sarge: i'll blame the kanotix people who tell you it is debian :) |
| 03:00.39 | bucky | keck0f, cp /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/overload.pm /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/ or build 5.8.8-2 from source |
| 03:00.48 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, k. |
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| 03:01.23 | gnufan | ChrisW: of course it could be something else giving similar error.... |
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| 03:01.29 | Nopalin | hey i have already added deb http://pdo.debian.net/ unstable main contrib non-free this line to my sources.list, but when i do apt-get update, it says that "404 Not Found" ... any help? |
| 03:01.32 | ChrisW | gnufan: it isn't ssh1, trust me |
| 03:01.54 | ChrisW | I just tried connecting with ssh1, and it explicitly sai that ssh1 isn't allowed |
| 03:01.55 | azeem | Nopalin: pdo.debian.net doesn't serve packages |
| 03:02.01 | grendelson | Nopalin: I thikn that is only for finding packages on web? |
| 03:02.03 | azeem | Nopalin: it just serves information on them |
| 03:02.03 | wajig|sarge | wajig|sarge, so flame war is over... erverybody is allowed to go home now. there is nothing to see *g* |
| 03:02.12 | ChrisW | I'm guessing I need to tweak something to allow my user to log in with password or, preferably, public key auth... |
| 03:02.13 | wajig|sarge | oh, my bad english |
| 03:02.22 | ChrisW | anyone know where I should look? |
| 03:02.23 | abrotman | you're talking to yourself :) |
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| 03:02.41 | wajig|sarge | well why not |
| 03:02.45 | gnufan | ChrisW: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 03:02.51 | grendelson | use an ftp or http location for sources (find the sources at debian.org or use auto apt-setup tool (cant recall name now) |
| 03:03.06 | Nopalin | hmm there is another place to download openoffice 2? |
| 03:03.09 | azeem | grendelson: it's called apt-setup :) |
| 03:03.13 | zebalin7 | Maybe someone can read this and see if I'm on right track? http://debcentral.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=142&forum=4 |
| 03:03.16 | azeem | Nopalin: for sarge? |
| 03:03.19 | azeem | Nopalin: www.backports.org |
| 03:03.22 | grendelson | azeem, Well that figures :-) |
| 03:03.23 | gnufan | ChrisW: the debugging mode is cool as well -- you can start the sshd in the foreground and it spews lots of details |
| 03:03.25 | ChrisW | what's the equivalent of "service x restart" for debian? |
| 03:03.35 | azeem | ChrisW: /etc/init.d/foo restart |
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| 03:03.39 | Nopalin | yes, for darge |
| 03:03.40 | Nopalin | sarge* |
| 03:04.00 | grendelson | Grip - does it ONLY work with scsi devices (ie do i HAVE to use scsi emulation to use Grip in Debian? I use 2.6 kernel so never bothered with scsi em... |
| 03:04.17 | freeone3000 | Okay, I installed ftpd, but there's no config thing... Where'd the file go? |
| 03:04.22 | Nopalin | deb http://www.backports.org/ unstable main contrib non-free ??? some like that? |
| 03:04.26 | NaufraGo | hey |
| 03:04.31 | azeem | Nopalin: no, check that site |
| 03:04.33 | NaufraGo | I've installed tuxracer |
| 03:04.36 | azeem | there is documentation there |
| 03:04.49 | ChrisW | azeem: really? is there no shorter thing? ;-/ |
| 03:04.52 | NaufraGo | and I don't know why the graphic is so slowly |
| 03:05.01 | NaufraGo | probably is the video configuration |
| 03:05.07 | Nopalin | azeem: thanks |
| 03:05.13 | abrotman | backports.org doesn't haveunstbale |
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| 03:05.38 | NaufraGo | so, I entered the tuxracer's video configuration, and I couldn't repair it |
| 03:05.44 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? |
| 03:05.46 | azeem | ChrisW: invoke-rc.d maybe |
| 03:05.57 | azeem | ChrisW: do you need this more often than once or twice? |
| 03:06.12 | jetscreamer | NaufraGo: run glxinfo in an xterm |
| 03:06.26 | dabaR | azeem: Thank you. Now it says it authentication required. I put server:userName:password in the /etc/news/passwd.nntp file, but still same error. |
| 03:06.32 | jetscreamer | !quake4 bork |
| 03:06.32 | dpkg | quake4 bork is, like, for quake4(and d3 i'd guess) libsdl1.2debian-all_1.2.9-0.1_i386.deb vs libsdl1.2debian-alsa_1.2.9-0.1_i386.deb . all bad, alsa good. see updated versions also. |
| 03:06.35 | NaufraGo | Unable to display |
| 03:06.45 | jetscreamer | maybe that's related |
| 03:06.46 | ChrisW | well, it's just weird not to be able to haev a short way for it |
| 03:06.46 | azeem | dabaR: no idea, sorry |
| 03:06.46 | gnufan | grendelson: I think it works with any CD drive (well nearly any). |
| 03:06.46 | jetscreamer | what vid card |
| 03:06.52 | ChrisW | but okay, I'll just use the full version, I always have |
| 03:06.53 | jetscreamer | nm about the q4 |
| 03:06.59 | NaufraGo | VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) |
| 03:06.59 | dabaR | azeem: cool, thanks. |
| 03:07.00 | ChrisW | just got used to "service x restart" at work on RedHat |
| 03:07.23 | grendelson | gnufan: Ok I pointed it to /dev/hdd which SoundJuicer recognizes an audio cd in but Grip keeps saying no cd inserted so I'm wonderin what difference mightbe? |
| 03:07.25 | azeem | ChrisW: well, write a one-liner and call it "service" |
| 03:07.30 | jetscreamer | NaufraGo: i know nothing about that one :( sorry |
| 03:07.33 | ChrisW | hehe, fair enough ;-) |
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| 03:07.38 | NaufraGo | :S |
| 03:07.49 | NaufraGo | can anyother help me? |
| 03:08.05 | jetscreamer | NaufraGo: i'd be thinking glx-extensions, or opengl libs |
| 03:08.12 | jetscreamer | mesa-xorg |
| 03:08.37 | jetscreamer | i've noticed debian fuxors those by default |
| 03:08.39 | gnufan | NaufraGo: ask me next week when I've got it working... I think the via card has good support in Linux, but I couldn't make the Xorg driver work at all in SID this evening.... |
| 03:08.55 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 03:09.42 | gnufan | NaufraGo: So I had to opt for the "vesa" driver :( |
| 03:10.01 | jetscreamer | stock debian install? q3 dont' work. q4 don't work...(w/o fixing xorg/xfree) hmm... a pattern.... |
| 03:10.17 | fzzt | hmm if i'm installing something directly from a .deb file using 'dpkg -i' is there a reason that it won't fetch dependencies? |
| 03:10.22 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 03:10.30 | jetscreamer | you aren't installing them |
| 03:11.02 | jetscreamer | try apt-get -f after it 'didn't work |
| 03:11.04 | jetscreamer | ' |
| 03:11.07 | jetscreamer | might help |
| 03:11.11 | fzzt | so does dpkg fetch that stuff automagically like apt-get? |
| 03:11.14 | jetscreamer | err apt-get -f install |
| 03:11.14 | grendelson | fzzt: using dpkg doesnt do dependencies.. |
| 03:11.17 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:11.20 | fzzt | ahh |
| 03:11.22 | stoner | where is python2.3 for sid/amd64? |
| 03:11.25 | ChrisW | urm, what's the name of the authorized keys file for ssh2? |
| 03:11.30 | fzzt | well that makes it a lot clearer ;) |
| 03:11.41 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 03:11.42 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:12.04 | stoner | #debain-amd64 |
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| 03:12.14 | TheBest | hi all |
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| 03:12.30 | gnufan | ChrisW: authorized_keys -- we have manual pages for a reason ;) |
| 03:12.41 | liable | ohnos |
| 03:12.54 | DeadlyNinja | my DVD drive has DMA enabled, but my system still gets choppy when i read data from the disk, any ideas? |
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| 03:13.04 | ChrisW | gnufan: I thought that was onyl for ssh1? |
| 03:13.44 | gnufan | ChrisW: the manual page says otherwise ;) |
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| 03:14.05 | gnufan | ChrisW: it also works for me... which is even better |
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| 03:14.15 | NaufraGo | jetscreamer, how can I so to install opengl by apt-get? |
| 03:14.27 | ChrisW | what are the restrictions on that file? |
| 03:14.32 | ChrisW | ie: what should I chmod it to? |
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| 03:15.06 | beered | NaufraGo: apt-get remove <package name> |
| 03:15.48 | DeadlyNinja | hey if i want to replace the debian default firefox icons with the official firefox icons, is it a bad idea to just start overwriting files in /usr/share/pixmaps? |
| 03:15.51 | Azar | NaufraGo: how is your Debian installation doing? better or the same? |
| 03:16.08 | Skuz | DeadlyNinja wont hurt anything |
| 03:16.10 | NaufraGo | Azar, better |
| 03:16.17 | NaufraGo | I can listen to videos by vlc |
| 03:16.20 | beered | DeadlyNinja: why not switch themes instead of deleting files. |
| 03:16.21 | Azar | NaufraGo: nice :) |
| 03:16.36 | NaufraGo | but there're some other problems |
| 03:16.48 | NaufraGo | 1. the kde's sound system doesn't work |
| 03:16.49 | DeadlyNinja | beered, every theme still has the plain globe for the firefox icon, i want the fox wrapped around earth |
| 03:16.53 | Azar | NaufraGo: that's the fun part, you never get bored |
| 03:17.10 | liable | ChrisW: read a ssh tutorial. the file can be only readable/writeable by the owner |
| 03:17.14 | Azar | :) hehe with kde or gnome you get even more work |
| 03:17.24 | gnufan | ChrisW: the manual pages says "must be readable by root".... |
| 03:17.25 | NaufraGo | 2. I've installed tuxracer and it doesn't work good, the video card's configuration maybe |
| 03:17.25 | DarkPurpose | hi. how do i add other wm's to session type list in kdm?? |
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| 03:17.42 | DeadlyNinja | arent you supposed to use the package manager to do EVERYTHING (like mess with files) |
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| 03:17.56 | Azar | NaufraGo: tuxracer does not work on my Debian either, but hey, I got 9 good games so I am satisfied |
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| 03:18.04 | dabaR | How can I specify a user name and password for rn/trn news reading? |
| 03:18.20 | beered | DarkPurpose: edit your .xsession file |
| 03:18.29 | NaufraGo | Azar, ok.. but I think the problem is opengl or something like that |
| 03:18.34 | NaufraGo | because I installed supertux |
| 03:18.48 | NaufraGo | and it doesn't work fine by opengl |
| 03:18.59 | NaufraGo | and if I disable opengl there, it works fine |
| 03:19.01 | Azar | NaufraGo: I am not using kde or gnome, yet with openbox I have all I need: music player, games, eh |
| 03:19.26 | Azar | NaufraGo: I could not know what to tell you, I never used kde |
| 03:19.32 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 03:19.36 | ChrisW | gnufan: well, I'm pretty sure it is readable by root |
| 03:19.58 | NaufraGo | which is the opengl's name at apt-get? |
| 03:20.05 | NaufraGo | to install it |
| 03:20.06 | liable | ChrisW: root can read everything, i meant the perms |
| 03:20.14 | ChrisW | *sigh* how do I go about debugging public key auth failure |
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| 03:20.24 | ChrisW | nothing in /var/log/auth.log :-S |
| 03:20.27 | ChrisW | where should I look? |
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| 03:20.52 | gnufan | ChrisW: as I said run sshd in the foreground... explained in the manual page.... |
| 03:20.56 | liable | if you are using winscp, you have to convert the key .. |
| 03:21.00 | abrotman | !kill the snow |
| 03:21.11 | ChrisW | liable: dos2unix? |
| 03:21.30 | liable | abrotman: i'll swap some snow, for heat humidity flies and mosquitoes. |
| 03:21.38 | abrotman | liable: in a minute |
| 03:21.44 | abrotman | liable: nix that .. a mere second |
| 03:21.50 | liable | ChrisW: no, putty keygen thing it comes with |
| 03:22.01 | abrotman | liable: by noon tomorrow i expect to be 10-12 inches deep in the crap |
| 03:22.14 | liable | in flies? |
| 03:22.21 | abrotman | !snowsmite lia |
| 03:22.23 | ChrisW | what package is dos2unix in? |
| 03:22.25 | liable | i'll mail you some right away! |
| 03:22.28 | abrotman | dostools |
| 03:22.28 | gnufan | liable: the ssh mentions readable by root in case you use NFS.... root can't read /dev/ttyS0 with the cu command ;) |
| 03:22.38 | DarkPurpose | beered: i have 3 of them. is it the one under /etc/kde3/kdm ? |
| 03:22.46 | grandma | uhh, nvidia in debian testing broken after upgrade? |
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| 03:22.47 | ChrisW | thanks! |
| 03:23.24 | beered | DarkPurpose: its the one in your home directory. |
| 03:23.27 | DarkPurpose | that one just points to etc/X11/xsession |
| 03:23.40 | ChrisW | abrotman: no such package :-/ |
| 03:24.06 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? |
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| 03:24.17 | ChrisW | gnufan: this is just plain old file system file |
| 03:24.19 | ChrisW | ext3 ;-) |
| 03:24.24 | grendelson | grandma - did you jsut upgrade? |
| 03:24.24 | abrotman | !find bin/dos2unix sarge |
| 03:24.27 | DarkPurpose | i don't have one in home |
| 03:24.27 | grandma | apt wants to remove xserver-xorg when trying to install nvidia-glx after an upgrade just now (debian testing) |
| 03:24.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dos2unix' (1): (/usr/bin/dos2unix) in utils/sysutils. |
| 03:24.37 | ChrisW | aha |
| 03:24.38 | grandma | grendelson: yes |
| 03:24.40 | abrotman | ChrisW: sorty .. i was close! |
| 03:24.57 | abrotman | grandma: if you're using binary drivers .. you must reinstall those |
| 03:25.03 | grendelson | Yeah I did upgrade but walked when I saw what it wanted to do at dist-upgrade. It had too many unresolved depends |
| 03:25.05 | grandma | abrotman: i'm using the one liner |
| 03:25.10 | beardy | !find bin/tofrodos sarge |
| 03:25.13 | jetscreamer | nvidia-glx!= nvidia-binary |
| 03:25.13 | grendelson | And wanted to remove nvidia! |
| 03:25.15 | ChrisW | still no joy |
| 03:25.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/tofrodos' returned no results. |
| 03:25.26 | jetscreamer | or does it |
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| 03:25.28 | ChrisW | I don't want to start sshd in the foreground, there must be another way :-/ |
| 03:25.35 | ChrisW | where are failed auths logged? |
| 03:25.49 | NaufraGo | jetscreamer, nvidia-glx can help me? |
| 03:25.55 | NaufraGo | is it opengl? |
| 03:26.16 | jetscreamer | NaufraGo: no not for your non-nvidia chipset |
| 03:26.24 | kpanic | hi, anyone has vim exiting without doing nothing when launched from normal user? |
| 03:26.26 | jetscreamer | NaufraGo: and all i know is nvidia |
| 03:26.29 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 03:26.37 | kpanic | s/without// |
| 03:26.38 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 03:26.43 | freeone3000 | ATi... oh, that's fun. You get to use the manufacturer's drivers. |
| 03:27.14 | grandma | looks like alot of stuff was added to testing today...i can wait on the nvidia and just use 'nv' if it's not me that's the problem (also was a kernel upgrade 2.6.12 - 2.6.15) |
| 03:27.21 | beardy | !find bin/tofromdos sarge |
| 03:27.25 | kpanic | from root it runs fine, so I think I have messed up with some perms |
| 03:27.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/tofromdos' returned no results. |
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| 03:28.18 | gnufan | kpanic: try "strace vim" maybe? |
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| 03:29.08 | bob_ | hi, on my 2 eth routeur, i got ip_forwarding enable and route table are okay. tho routing isent working proprely |
| 03:29.15 | liable | headache. |
| 03:29.17 | beered | are there other ATI driver accelrators beside fglrx-driver? |
| 03:29.32 | kpanic | gnufan, tried but I don't understand |
| 03:29.43 | abrotman | bob_: fix it |
| 03:29.52 | bob_ | tcpdump whit icmp moving to the next network but replay never get back. it only generate arp trafic on the destination network |
| 03:30.04 | gnufan | kpanic: looking for lines that say it failed to open a file -- usually shows up permissions issues |
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| 03:30.11 | bob_ | any idea of what could be worng? |
| 03:30.56 | bob_ | abrotman, i would not ask if i would know how to fix it |
| 03:30.58 | nrdb | How do you get a list of all the nicknames connect to a group? |
| 03:30.58 | gnufan | bob_: we need more details -- any firewalls on the box? Otherwise we'll want to check your routing tables, and netmasks |
| 03:31.11 | bob_ | worst is that it worked before and noting have change |
| 03:31.14 | abrotman | bob_: do both interfaces work correctly on thier own ? |
| 03:31.41 | bob_ | yes, routeur can ping any host and all hsot can ping routeur |
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| 03:32.06 | gnufan | bob_: Has the box being pinged got a suitable return route? |
| 03:32.12 | bob_ | gungnir, have tester whit no iptable rune whit all default policy to accept |
| 03:32.58 | bob_ | gungnir, traceroute stall at the gw |
| 03:33.08 | Supaplex | dpkg's sister? no way, tooo ugly! |
| 03:33.33 | bob_ | but tcpdump show packet moving to the other network tho, they jsut never return to the sender |
| 03:33.38 | gnufan | bob_: that would happen if the next hop didn't have the right routing table entrues |
| 03:33.38 | useruser | ChrisW: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 03:34.31 | Tekmanx | Lo all |
| 03:34.33 | DarkPurpose | hi. how do i add other wm's to session type list in kdm?? i don't have a xsession in home |
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| 03:34.50 | Tekmanx | Is it possible to do software RAID with mdadm on my root file system? |
| 03:34.53 | kpanic | gnufan, solved, there was an erroneus :q in my .vimrc! |
| 03:34.53 | bob_ | gungnir, it a simple network, .1.0 <-> GW <-> .2.0 |
| 03:34.56 | Tekmanx | Seeing that it has to be unmounted :/ |
| 03:35.01 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me with opengl? |
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| 03:35.09 | nrdb | Tekmanx: only raid 1 (mirror) |
| 03:35.21 | Tekmanx | How? |
| 03:35.27 | Tekmanx | It keeps saying the device is busy |
| 03:35.28 | Tekmanx | It's my root |
| 03:35.31 | Tekmanx | I can't umount it.. |
| 03:35.35 | Tekmanx | Can I ? |
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| 03:36.01 | gnufan | bob_: doesn't matter how simple routing is not symmetric in IP networking, does the box on the 2.0 network how a route or default route for the 1.0 network, and vice versa |
| 03:36.24 | Arfim | Hello, I've built kernel 2.6.8 and created initrd image. When I boot it i get: "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev-dm1", cramfs: wrong magic and so on. It results in kernel panic. Original Debian kernel 2.6.8 works perfect. Where is the trick? |
| 03:36.28 | nrdb | Tekmanx: I don't think you can change a non raided drive to raided while using it, try booting of a LiveCD. |
| 03:37.10 | Tekmanx | Yeah |
| 03:37.13 | jetscreamer | NaufraGo: i've noticed that xorg/mesa libs aren't actually proper, in a default install. also some libopenglsomething i think... i was going to document it but haven't gotten around to feeling like jacking with it yet. |
| 03:37.14 | Tekmanx | Ok thanks |
| 03:37.20 | bob_ | the box on .2.0 route .2.0 to it segment and send every thing else to the gateway( .2.1) witch i assumue should route the packet on .1.0 if need |
| 03:37.21 | gnufan | Tekmanx: you want to add mirroring to an existing server? This is possible and documented, as the Woody installer didn't do RAID installs, but it is pretty messy, and requires a reboot. |
| 03:37.32 | fzzt | is there a way that I can take some .deb packages i've made and shoehorn them into my own repository mirror? (or add them as a new mirror in sources.list) |
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| 03:37.41 | bob_ | do i am asuming right? |
| 03:37.49 | jetscreamer | you can make your own repo |
| 03:37.56 | jetscreamer | so yes |
| 03:38.00 | jetscreamer | now ask how |
| 03:38.07 | fzzt | jetscreamer, how ;p |
| 03:38.20 | Tekmanx | Ok |
| 03:38.25 | Tekmanx | I'll see how it goes.. thanks |
| 03:38.26 | gnufan | bob_: yes, making the route the default route for machines on both networks would work. |
| 03:38.32 | jetscreamer | and i think the docs are on debian.org |
| 03:38.33 | zebalin7 | Before I upgrade let me ask: anyone had any issues with the new 2.6.15-1 kernel that went into etch last week? |
| 03:38.33 | abrotman | !respository |
| 03:38.37 | abrotman | !repository |
| 03:38.38 | dpkg | hmm... debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 03:38.43 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 03:39.01 | chealer_ | zebalin7: most likely |
| 03:39.03 | bob_ | gnufan, what else could be worng? |
| 03:39.03 | fzzt | i've been reading the docs, but haven't found a nice way to make a simple directory into a repository |
| 03:39.10 | fzzt | i'll read that though, thanks |
| 03:39.31 | abrotman | I HAVE NO BEEP! |
| 03:39.39 | ChrisW | okay, how do I safely shut down a debian boxso I can move it? |
| 03:39.41 | jetscreamer | zebalin7: you usually don't have an issue with the source |
| 03:39.43 | ChrisW | shutdown or shutdown -h? |
| 03:39.43 | jetscreamer | halt |
| 03:39.45 | gnufan | bob_: firewall on the box being pinged.. maybe it only replied to local -- unlikely... but it is hard to tell... |
| 03:39.54 | jetscreamer | shutdown -h also.. or is it -H |
| 03:39.59 | fzzt | it's -h |
| 03:40.03 | liable | -h now |
| 03:40.03 | zebalin7 | jetscreamer: i'm not going to compile. I'll just apt-get. |
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| 03:40.14 | ChrisW | halt works too ;-) |
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| 03:40.22 | ChrisW | how doI know when it's done? |
| 03:40.26 | zebalin7 | (maybe apt-get does a compile?) |
| 03:40.34 | jetscreamer | it will usually turn off unless it's old |
| 03:40.35 | ChrisW | last line now is "Power Down" |
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| 03:40.53 | ChrisW | recko nit's done? |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | chrisq: then it's done |
| 03:41.01 | abrotman | ChrisW: |
| 03:41.02 | ChrisW | cool :-) |
| 03:41.14 | gnufan | ChrisW: the rebel in me switches off once it has unmounted all the filesystems - I mean what can go wrong after that ?! |
| 03:41.45 | jetscreamer | i'm happy mine turn off by theirselves |
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| 03:42.46 | duanear | Is the md drive built-in to the debian kernel or is it loaded as a module? |
| 03:43.07 | Arfim | duaner: do you ask me or? |
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| 03:43.34 | duanear | sure? |
| 03:44.08 | ChrisW | okay, next question: can I mount up an NTFS partition on a windows box into my shuiny new debian server in any way? |
| 03:46.01 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 03:46.06 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 03:46.08 | hatake_kakashi | ChrisW: yes |
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| 03:46.35 | ChrisW | hatake_kakashi: how? |
| 03:46.41 | abrotman | !rontfs |
| 03:46.43 | jetscreamer | wait for it.... |
| 03:46.45 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 03:46.45 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 03:46.52 | gnufan | ChrisW: apt-cache search ntfs |
| 03:46.57 | liable | !typosmite abrotman |
| 03:47.11 | abrotman | !eat liable |
| 03:47.16 | jetscreamer | !factinfo ro-ntfs |
| 03:47.17 | dpkg | ro-ntfs -- last modified at Thu Jan 26 13:09:17 2006 by petemc!n=pete@81.144.188.147. |
| 03:47.34 | hatake_kakashi | /dev/hdb1/mnt/hdb1ntfsro,defaults,nls=utf8,umask=00000 |
| 03:48.05 | abrotman | !literal ro-ntfs |
| 03:48.05 | dpkg | "#debian ro-ntfs" is "<reply> see read-ntfs, or ,or just use umask=022" |
| 03:48.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's why . it's broken |
| 03:48.32 | bob_ | gnufan, fixed. ty for your help |
| 03:48.39 | hatake_kakashi | umask allows you to share it over smb and e able to see it locally as well |
| 03:48.43 | gnufan | bob_: what was wrong? |
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| 03:49.00 | hatake_kakashi | uid=foo, gid=foo only allows that specific user to access it |
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| 03:50.06 | jetscreamer | that's stupid, since i made the factoid and it points to an exact duplicate |
| 03:50.23 | jetscreamer | ah well |
| 03:50.24 | abrotman | !why is gnome-menus not in testing |
| 03:50.24 | dpkg | gnome-menus is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnome-menus |
| 03:50.53 | bob_ | host had worng network seting, ive asuming they where right because for some reason tcp snat worked |
| 03:51.11 | dbrock | hatake_kakashi: why umask=000 instead of umask=0222? |
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| 03:51.50 | bob_ | could have spend hours on this whitout some one confirming the gw seting was ok |
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| 03:52.18 | hatake_kakashi | dbrock: read the man pages. I'm not sure exactly but if I cannot access it locally if I had it using uid,gid :P |
| 03:52.52 | dbrock | hatake_kakashi: I'm asking why you are allowing write access |
| 03:53.00 | zebalin7 | Unless I screwed up my sources.list, it looks like kde 3.5 hit testing today????? |
| 03:53.14 | hatake_kakashi | dbrock: you can't have write access if NTFS is being mounted as ro |
| 03:53.16 | Supaplex | !captive |
| 03:53.16 | dpkg | from memory, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom |
| 03:53.24 | ke6isf | Certain PDFs have fields one can fill in with text - IRS tax forms are a good example of this. However, xpdf cannot seem to do this natively. Other than installing acroread from marillat, are there ways I can do this? |
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| 03:53.40 | abrotman | !info konqueror etch |
| 03:53.43 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1958 kB, Installed size: 4831 kB |
| 03:53.49 | dbrock | hatake_kakashi: so you mean putting that in umask is unnecessary? |
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| 03:54.30 | zebalin7 | abrotman: This is major!! |
| 03:54.40 | hatake_kakashi | dbrock: well, my purpose is to try and get that hard disk viewable both shared and locally. btw.. I just checked the NTFS partition, it shows the owner as super user with no write permissions, only read and execute |
| 03:54.49 | abrotman | zebalin7: it's about time they got thier shit together . gnome has been waiting for kde to stop screwing around |
| 03:54.58 | Supaplex | zebalin7: are you quoting the mknod man page now? :;-) |
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| 03:55.21 | zebalin7 | Supaplex: no, I'm just in synaptic and did a reload and saw all this STUFF!!! |
| 03:55.37 | Supaplex | koolnezz |
| 03:55.47 | liable | lolz |
| 03:56.11 | hatake_kakashi | dbrock: I suppose I could try and use umask=02222 |
| 03:56.17 | liable | kthxbye |
| 03:56.24 | hatake_kakashi | s/umask=02222/umask=0222 |
| 03:56.30 | EdLin | !aolsmite liable |
| 03:56.30 | hatake_kakashi | wait.. |
| 03:56.35 | hatake_kakashi | that's write :P |
| 03:56.55 | abrotman | !aolify EdLin |
| 03:57.03 | zebalin7 | Openoffice is also updated. Hal too. quote me: etch is going to go to hell for a few weeks!!!!! |
| 03:57.21 | owner | i have a question |
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| 03:57.31 | owner | there is debian stable, testing and unstable |
| 03:57.39 | owner | which is ubuntu based on |
| 03:57.43 | Azar | :) |
| 03:57.46 | Azar | hahahahahahahaha |
| 03:57.48 | EdLin | owner: /j #ubuntu |
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| 03:57.54 | amphi | owner: unstable, I believe |
| 03:58.00 | kevix | owner: is there a question in there x-) |
| 03:58.15 | owner | so they build stable releases from debian unstable |
| 03:58.20 | EdLin | !tell owner -about ubuntu |
| 03:58.25 | dbrock | owner: exactly |
| 03:58.27 | ootput | owner: do you see the problem there? |
| 03:58.29 | kevix | owner: no |
| 03:58.35 | hatake_kakashi | ubuntu stable = breezy badger, ubuntu unstable = dapper |
| 03:59.02 | EdLin | !topicsmite owner |
| 03:59.02 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon owner. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:59.03 | Azar | owner: Debian is NOT ubuntu, and Ubuntu is NOT Debian |
| 03:59.12 | [2am] | hey guys |
| 03:59.12 | owner | i do know that |
| 03:59.23 | owner | i was just wonder why there is so much incompatibility between the two |
| 03:59.23 | [2am] | anyone feel like 'chatting' about some non-specific debian questions |
| 03:59.26 | kevix | ubuntu takes snapshots of debian unstable every 6 months and builds on that to make ubuntu |
| 03:59.27 | [2am] | heh |
| 03:59.31 | [2am] | i know.. i can just *ask* |
| 03:59.41 | zebalin7 | I see kopete is not in the batch of new kde stuff in etch. If someone upgrades their kde, will the old kopete still run? |
| 03:59.41 | [2am] | but.. im in a more 'general' chatty mood :P |
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| 03:59.53 | Azar | owner because say, Unix is not Linux, Windows is not Apple, and Debian is not Ubuntu |
| 03:59.54 | hatake_kakashi | owner: its not exactly a direct port :P they (ubuntu) uses debian style packaging :P |
| 03:59.58 | Azar | now you got it? |
| 04:00.09 | [2am] | so ya... debian huh? ;P |
| 04:00.10 | dbrock | Azar: shut up |
| 04:00.14 | owner | lol |
| 04:00.17 | ootput | owner: the incompatibilities arise due to what devs of either distro consider functional |
| 04:00.26 | ootput | +code |
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| 04:00.37 | kevix | hatake_kakashi: they use debian packaging, there is no debian style |
| 04:00.47 | EdLin | hmm, only one more hour 'til Sunday here, but I guess it already is Sunday in a lot of places. |
| 04:01.00 | hatake_kakashi | kevix: using of debian package manager, aka dpkg |
| 04:01.02 | Azar | EdLin full moon too |
| 04:01.09 | john | do they get mad if you talk about debian in ubuntu's channel? :D |
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| 04:01.29 | owner | no john |
| 04:01.29 | kevix | hatake_kakashi: they duplicate most of the debian infrastructure... |
| 04:01.45 | gnufan | john: I don't know try asking in #ubuntu ;) |
| 04:01.46 | [2am] | so i wasted part of my day yesturday wrestling with the partition tool |
| 04:01.51 | [2am] | (trying to get md working) |
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| 04:02.10 | hatake_kakashi | kevix: well, either way, its debian != ubuntu, kubuntu, knoppix, etc |
| 04:02.30 | abrotman | kevix: they do more than that |
| 04:02.31 | hatake_kakashi | even though these other variants use debian package manager |
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| 04:02.48 | dbrock | hatake_kakashi: debian != linux, too, yet asking about linux in #debian is allowed |
| 04:02.49 | gnufan | john: they probably don't have 300+ derivatives yet.... |
| 04:02.58 | EdLin | hatake_kakashi: Ubuntu is Debian like Mandriva is Red Hat. |
| 04:03.04 | abrotman | dbrock: kind of |
| 04:03.12 | kevix | hatake_kakashi: that is correct; they are derivitaves. they use the source packages but then they dirvert based upon needs , goals, style... |
| 04:03.26 | dbrock | abrotman: please explain this inconsistency |
| 04:03.28 | Azar | dbrok, what is linux? |
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| 04:03.53 | ke6isf | dbrock: Nonsequitur. Linux is not a distribution, it is a kernel that many distributions use. |
| 04:03.53 | dbrock | Azar: the kernel that you get if you install a package whose name starts with linux-image- |
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| 04:04.04 | dbrock | ke6isf: so what? |
| 04:04.06 | liable | !qotd30 |
| 04:04.06 | dpkg | qotd30 is, like, <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
| 04:04.12 | Azar | dbrock so you say debian has nothing to do with linux, right? |
| 04:04.13 | abrotman | dbrock: which ? |
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| 04:04.19 | kevix | ke6isf: so say GNU/linux |
| 04:04.27 | samad | i'm having difficulty with gcc |
| 04:04.32 | samad | i installed gcc-3.4-base |
| 04:04.32 | abrotman | dbrock: oh .. we dont' answer general linux questions here .. or rather .. try not to |
| 04:04.35 | dbrock | Azar: that is absolutely not what I said |
| 04:04.36 | ke6isf | dbrock: So "Debian != Linux" != inconsistency with Debian != $DebianBased. |
| 04:04.50 | samad | but when i do a ./configure |
| 04:04.56 | dbrock | abrotman: but linux questions related to debian is okay? |
| 04:04.58 | samad | i get "gcc not found" |
| 04:05.03 | kevix | Azar: debian has gnu/linux,gnu/hurd,gnu/kfreebsd |
| 04:05.08 | hatake_kakashi | dbrock: though people like to refer it as linux because its easier for them :P and yes linux is GNU/Linux and that it is only an image |
| 04:05.11 | abrotman | dbrock: wouldn't that be a debian question .. not a linux question ? |
| 04:05.15 | hatake_kakashi | err kernel image |
| 04:05.27 | dbrock | ke6isf: debian is based on linux, and ubuntu is based on debian --- where is the inconsistency? |
| 04:05.30 | abrotman | kevix: and those get asked here also .. though usually deferred to those project channels |
| 04:05.32 | hatake_kakashi | EdLin: or SuSE from RH |
| 04:05.36 | gnufan | samad: install gcc-3.4 and see if it goes away |
| 04:05.45 | samad | gnufan, i did |
| 04:05.52 | kevix | abrotman: of course because they are more specialized... |
| 04:06.00 | gnufan | samad: you said gcc-3.4-base - did you install gcc-3.4? |
| 04:06.04 | Azar | dbrock: Debian GNU/Linux |
| 04:06.05 | \amethyst | samad: you need gcc-3.4 as well |
| 04:06.08 | samad | gnufan, i did install gcc-3.4 |
| 04:06.12 | abrotman | kevix: though i also send kde questions to #debian-kde |
| 04:06.13 | \amethyst | samad: ah |
| 04:06.15 | dbrock | Azar: yes, I mean Debian GNU/Linux |
| 04:06.19 | EdLin | hatake_kakashi: actually, SuSE was originally based on Slackware. It's been Red Hat-like for a long time though. |
| 04:06.21 | ke6isf | dbrock: That's a very good question. Since you brought up the topic, why don't you tell us where the inconsistency in the policy lies? |
| 04:06.22 | kevix | abrotman: check out http://debian.home.pipeline.com for my BIG debian diagram |
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| 04:06.40 | Azar | dbrock, logical thing is you can't say Ubuntu GNU/Debian right? |
| 04:06.45 | hatake_kakashi | EdLin: well that I didn't know about |
| 04:06.48 | abrotman | kevix: how about i don't and pretend i did ? :) |
| 04:06.50 | zebalin7 | !kopete |
| 04:06.50 | dpkg | hmm... kopete is KDE's flexible and extendable multiple protocol instant messaging system designed as a plugin-based system. All protocols are plugins and allow modular installation and configuration. http://kopete.kde.org |
| 04:07.05 | samad | do u want the output from the ./configure script? |
| 04:07.10 | abrotman | !u |
| 04:07.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:07.14 | dbrock | ke6isf: the inconsistency *I'm* talking about lies in the fact that questions about linux related to debian is okay, but questions about ubuntu related to debian is not okay |
| 04:07.20 | gnufan | samad: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/gcc-3.4" show? |
| 04:07.31 | Azar | dbrock, no it is not okay |
| 04:07.33 | abrotman | dbrock: no fucking shit .. ubuntu isn't debian |
| 04:07.37 | abrotman | dbrock: stop being an ass |
| 04:07.40 | ke6isf | dbrock: And we still don't support Ubuntu. Now what are you going to do about it? |
| 04:07.41 | owner | dbrock does have a point |
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| 04:07.48 | abrotman | no he doesn't |
| 04:07.51 | samad | gnufan: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 105608 2005-05-06 02:49 /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 04:07.52 | ke6isf | owner: A very dull one, sir. |
| 04:07.54 | EdLin | hatake_kakashi: the installer last time I saw it had a vestigal Slackware similarity in how it divided up its app list |
| 04:07.57 | Azar | no he does not |
| 04:08.03 | \amethyst | samad: The /usr/bin/gcc symlink comes from the gcc package |
| 04:08.14 | kevix | dbrock: gnu/linux questions are more general whereas ubuntu question are more specific and will lead to problems |
| 04:08.16 | \amethyst | samad: in sid, the default symlink is to gcc-4.0 |
| 04:08.23 | Azar | Debian uses linux kernel, not ubuntu kernel |
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| 04:08.32 | samad | \amethyst, so should i install the "gcc" package? |
| 04:08.43 | owner | azar, doesnt debian use the debian kernel |
| 04:08.44 | gnufan | samad: and is there anything in /usr/bin/gcc --- thinking broken link if the packages are messed up |
| 04:08.52 | \amethyst | samad: yes. If you're in sid, that will give you gcc 4.0, though |
| 04:08.54 | Azar | owner, no Debian uses linux kernel |
| 04:09.00 | ke6isf | owner: ...noooo, debian uses, by default, the Linux kernel. |
| 04:09.00 | abrotman | among others |
| 04:09.02 | samad | gnufan, i had to manually create the symlinks, which is weird |
| 04:09.06 | TheBest | J2RE java Problem . http://pastebin.ca/41217 |
| 04:09.10 | owner | the debian kernel is 100% vanilla |
| 04:09.14 | hatake_kakashi | EdLin: heh |
| 04:09.15 | owner | i guess thats what you mean |
| 04:09.16 | abrotman | no .. debian GNU/Linux uses the linux kernel .. Debian Hurd does not |
| 04:09.18 | \amethyst | samad: another possibility is to put a symlink named 'gcc' to gcc-3.4 somewhere in your path |
| 04:09.20 | ke6isf | owner: There is no "Debian Kernel". |
| 04:09.22 | abrotman | owner: no it's not |
| 04:09.23 | samad | so which package should i install, just the "gcc" package |
| 04:09.26 | EdLin | owner: Debian supports several kernels though Linux is the most popular. |
| 04:09.29 | abrotman | owner: not even close |
| 04:09.29 | Azar | owner, I like vanilla with chocolate ice cream |
| 04:09.37 | owner | lol |
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| 04:09.45 | abrotman | where the fuck did all the morons come from tonight? |
| 04:09.47 | \amethyst | samad: yes, that will pull in the correct dependencies for your distribution |
| 04:09.48 | Xenguy | dbrock: /me thought the kernel was patched by debian... |
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| 04:09.50 | tatoo | night folks |
| 04:09.54 | abrotman | Xenguy: it is |
| 04:09.56 | Azar | abrotman, from ubuntu |
| 04:09.57 | owner | but the ubuntu kernel is just a linux kernel |
| 04:09.58 | kevix | ke6isf: well debian does take the kernel.org kernel and patch it. so maybe there is. |
| 04:10.00 | owner | with some patches |
| 04:10.02 | Xenguy | abrotman: OK |
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| 04:10.14 | abrotman | Xenguy: check the changelog .. obviously |
| 04:10.18 | liable | oh, ffs, stop it with the ubuntu shit |
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| 04:10.22 | Xenguy | abrotman: yeh yeh |
| 04:10.24 | gnufan | samad: yes install gcc - it won't hurt ;) |
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| 04:10.36 | Azar | owner do yourself a favor and document yourself on linux, don't blow frogs here |
| 04:10.38 | ke6isf | !saturday |
| 04:10.38 | dpkg | i guess saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 04:10.42 | samad | gnufan, the ./configure script says it can't find cpp (c preprocessor) |
| 04:10.45 | markybob | abrotman, and i thought last night was bad. |
| 04:10.46 | kevix | samad: apt-get install build-essential |
| 04:10.50 | samad | if i installed the gcc package, cpp should be there |
| 04:10.55 | abrotman | markybob: it's not even xmas vacation |
| 04:10.56 | ke6isf | owner: Now you're picking at nits. That's not my game. |
| 04:11.08 | tatoo | i have a motorola modem SB5100i and can't connect it to my computer throughout the usb connection. Could somebody help me to do that please? |
| 04:11.14 | samad | kevix, thanks maybe that'll work |
| 04:11.20 | owner | azar, dont ubuntu and debian both use patched versions of the linux kernel |
| 04:11.23 | \amethyst | samad: gcc depends on cpp, yes |
| 04:11.25 | owner | thats what i meant |
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| 04:11.33 | Azar | owner, ask in #ubuntu please |
| 04:11.33 | kevix | owner: yes. but different ones. |
| 04:11.34 | ArchAngel | hey, i'm having a problem viewing flash videos. i installed firefox successfully, and then i installed macromedia flash player through the firefox prompt. the problem is that i don't get any sound when i play a flash video. |
| 04:11.39 | dbrock | <Azar> owner: Debian is NOT ubuntu, and Ubuntu is NOT Debian |
| 04:11.39 | dbrock | Azar: I guess you would agree that by that logic, Linux is NOT Debian, and Debian is NOT Linux |
| 04:11.46 | samad | ok there we go |
| 04:11.50 | abrotman | dbrock: YOU ARE STUPID |
| 04:11.51 | samad | the build-essential package did it |
| 04:11.52 | samad | thanks guys |
| 04:11.55 | Azar | dbrock: hahahahahahaha |
| 04:12.01 | kevix | ArchAngel: so its a SOUND problem. |
| 04:12.06 | ke6isf | oh, ffs... |
| 04:12.08 | dbrock | abrotman: no comment |
| 04:12.10 | ArchAngel | yeah, i used the wrong word. |
| 04:12.11 | ke6isf | !ops dbrock is a troll |
| 04:12.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: dbrock is a troll |
| 04:12.23 | ke6isf | Everybody take a drink. |
| 04:12.26 | abrotman | dbrock: you don't even understand the basic concepts of what you're arguing |
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| 04:12.26 | samad | however, now the it's saying I don't have the X includes |
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| 04:12.31 | samad | which package has that? |
| 04:12.35 | dna_ | how do I kick someone using my nick |
| 04:12.46 | kevix | !me drink beer |
| 04:12.46 | dpkg | moi? |
| 04:12.48 | ke6isf | dna_: You have to be +o. |
| 04:12.52 | amphi | dna_: /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 04:12.52 | TheBest | http://pastebin.ca/41218 |
| 04:12.52 | Alam_Debian | /msg NickServb ghost <nick> <password> |
| 04:12.56 | kevix | !beer |
| 04:12.56 | dpkg | [beer] liquid gold mate |
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| 04:13.05 | gnufan | samad: what are you trying to compile? |
| 04:13.07 | liable | dna_: you have it registered? |
| 04:13.09 | ke6isf | dna_: Wait, never mind. Misunderstood. |
| 04:13.22 | liable | !literal beer |
| 04:13.23 | dpkg | "#debian beer" is "liquid gold mate" |
| 04:13.24 | zebalin7 | !konsole |
| 04:13.24 | dpkg | well, konsole is a GUI terminal emulator for kde |
| 04:13.33 | EdLin | !beer kevix |
| 04:13.40 | abrotman | liable: you want cmd: beer ? |
| 04:13.48 | kevix | EdLin: thanx for the beer! |
| 04:13.55 | liable | abrotman: prolly, i lost ineterest now. :) |
| 04:14.04 | liable | interest too. |
| 04:14.18 | abrotman | liable: i was wondering how you lost internet |
| 04:14.43 | liable | i think i lost a few brain cells last night.. |
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| 04:14.50 | kevix | abrotman: so going south of the border!!!! |
| 04:15.00 | chealer_ | !tell zebalin7 about msg the bot |
| 04:15.17 | abrotman | dunno |
| 04:15.21 | abrotman | the petition got killed |
| 04:15.40 | dn4 | sweet I got my name back thank you |
| 04:15.48 | kevix | abrotman: if I had the time and $$ i'd go! |
| 04:15.51 | gnufan | I really need to have been asleep about 4 hours ago. |
| 04:15.54 | gnufan | Night |
| 04:15.59 | dn4 | Does anyoone know a good way to create an embedded firewall that can create a wireless router? |
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| 04:16.20 | kevix | dn4: soekris (google it) |
| 04:16.30 | Im_a_muslim | As Salaam e laikum |
| 04:16.30 | Im_a_muslim | Translation: Peace b upon u. |
| 04:16.33 | Im_a_muslim | In the Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful http://www.submission.org/ . . . . . .Happiness is submission to God. There is no other god besides GOD. |
| 04:16.42 | kevix | oh a bot! |
| 04:16.50 | samad | How can I install KDE 3.4? |
| 04:16.55 | freeone3000 | apt-get install kde |
| 04:16.58 | ArchAngel | so, rewording things a bit, the sound on flash videos does not work for me. i first installed macromedia flash player from the installer on macromedia's website. i then uninstalled, following the directions on the website, and installed macromedia flash player through firefox and i still can't hear anything. finally, i tried installing swf-player with apt-get and uninstalling macromedia flash player and now firefox treats flash videos like it |
| 04:16.59 | ArchAngel | doesn't have the correct plugin for them. |
| 04:17.04 | liable | !ops Im_a_muslim |
| 04:17.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Im_a_muslim |
| 04:17.05 | samad | freeone3000, it installs KDE 3.3 |
| 04:17.14 | Azar | kik the bot |
| 04:17.22 | kevix | ArchAngel: does SOUND work? |
| 04:17.28 | freeone3000 | samad: Try getting the installer from KDE.. It might be more up to date than whatever we call portage. |
| 04:17.31 | abrotman | !afo |
| 04:17.31 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
| 04:17.34 | abrotman | damn it |
| 04:17.34 | samad | I'm sorry for all the stupid questions. I'm new to Debian. |
| 04:17.51 | samad | freeone3000, OK thanks. I guess i'll have to compile it. |
| 04:18.41 | chealer_ | samad: ask #debian-kde |
| 04:18.42 | \amethyst | ArchAngel: are you using artsd or esd by any chance? |
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| 04:18.42 | kevix | samad: no question is stupid, except the unasked one. |
| 04:18.42 | ke6isf | kevix: Are we talking about Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 04:18.42 | abrotman | that's not true |
| 04:18.42 | \amethyst | ArchAngel: I had problems with sound in Flash when I used esd |
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| 04:18.42 | ArchAngel | \amethyst: what is esd? |
| 04:18.42 | \amethyst | that was a year or two ago, though |
| 04:18.43 | chealer_ | abrotman: do you have the same punishment for kevix as me? |
| 04:18.43 | kevix | ke6isf: this IS #debian x-) |
| 04:18.49 | \amethyst | ArchAngel: a sound mixing daemon |
| 04:19.00 | Azar | calm down, is full moon |
| 04:19.00 | chealer_ | abrotman: s//in mind |
| 04:19.05 | ArchAngel | \amethyst: ah. i don't know if i have that or not... |
| 04:19.07 | abrotman | chealer_: you want dpkg to eat you ? |
| 04:19.33 | ArchAngel | kevix: what do you mean by SOUND, though? are you asking whether or not i can hear anything? |
| 04:19.36 | kevix | abrotman: can I watch! |
| 04:19.40 | chealer_ | abrotman: what about redirecting debian-based users to kevix instead? |
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| 04:20.05 | abrotman | chealer_: only the kurumin ones go to kevix |
| 04:20.07 | kevix | ArchAngel: well yes. if you can not hear sound normall, then that is a first problem to solve. |
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| 04:20.20 | chealer_ | abrotman: ah, well that would be a start |
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| 04:20.21 | ArchAngel | kevix: hmm, let me check right quick. |
| 04:20.28 | abrotman | see .. that's how you can tell a tard .. he uses irc from emacs |
| 04:20.36 | Azar | :) |
| 04:20.37 | kevix | chealer_: whats with the hostility? |
| 04:20.39 | chealer_ | haha |
| 04:20.48 | chealer_ | kevix: what do you mean? |
| 04:21.08 | abrotman | kevix: chealer_ is always in a bad mood .. he uses kde |
| 04:21.15 | kevix | chealer_: you seem to want to get me 'punished' I dont even know you from adam. |
| 04:21.19 | IEEE1003 | I want to execute a script as root on booting linux how do I do this? |
| 04:21.29 | kevix | abrotman: -) |
| 04:21.33 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/README |
| 04:21.37 | chealer_ | damn, why do people still use Gnome when KDE is so good? |
| 04:21.39 | abrotman | or read man cron |
| 04:21.46 | IEEE1003 | thx |
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| 04:21.50 | abrotman | chealer_: kde is for kids |
| 04:21.57 | kevix | IEEE1003: make an /etc/init.d script. |
| 04:21.59 | IEEE1003 | Gnome is as good as KDE |
| 04:22.00 | owner | bootmisc.sh IEEE |
| 04:22.08 | chealer_ | abrotman: isn't everyone a kid? |
| 04:22.08 | freeone3000 | AfterStep... who needs bloat? |
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| 04:22.16 | Azar | this kde vs gnome was never good... they should merge |
| 04:22.18 | abrotman | i'm not sure why this is even debatable .. chealer_ is canadian .. they're all kiinds of screwed up :) |
| 04:22.19 | \amethyst | chealer_: Different aesthetics |
| 04:22.20 | kevix | chealer_: gnu... its about choice.... |
| 04:22.22 | IEEE1003 | thx for hlp |
| 04:22.24 | bucky | I'm waiting for the Tele Tubby version of KDE |
| 04:22.32 | IEEE1003 | lol |
| 04:22.32 | chealer_ | kevix: hehe, I think you're reading a little bit too much literally |
| 04:22.36 | owner | chealer you are a linux torvalds fanboy |
| 04:22.53 | kevix | bucky: x-) |
| 04:22.55 | Azar | wow that was ugly |
| 04:22.57 | \amethyst | Azar: let a hundred schools of thought contend, let a hundred shared libraries load? |
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| 04:23.26 | kevix | \amethyst: now taht's scarry! |
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| 04:23.27 | chealer_ | \amethyst: what do you mean? there's nothing more kandy than KDE (let's say gnustep is excluded from the debate). |
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| 04:23.35 | Azar | \amethyst: can you imagine how huge would become? 3 days worth download? |
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| 04:24.03 | \amethyst | chealer_: They have different ideas of what, for example, a configuration screen should be |
| 04:24.07 | Azar | kdnome |
| 04:24.12 | chealer_ | owner: Linux is the best. Stallmax sux! |
| 04:24.29 | ke6isf | OK, weird question. Using acroread, I have CA form 540-2EZ open - and I don't have save rights to it. The obvious solution is to print the now completed PDF to a PDF, since I lack a printer, however acroread gives me a command - currently, lp. What is the correct command for printing to a PDF? |
| 04:24.31 | owner | yes |
| 04:24.32 | kevix | abrotman: any thoughts on the GFDL 'discussion'? |
| 04:24.39 | owner | but linus bashed gnome |
| 04:24.42 | ArchAngel | why is it that when i go into Volume Control it gives me a "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" error? |
| 04:24.46 | chealer_ | \amethyst: so what? KDE is still the best. I heard Microsoft initiated the Gnome project. |
| 04:24.52 | abrotman | kevix: i don't understand .. it's documentation :) |
| 04:25.03 | ke6isf | owner: Meh. No biggie. He hates gnome, he's not God, you know. =^^= |
| 04:25.06 | \amethyst | chealer_: Umm... I hope you're joking about the conspiracy theory :) |
| 04:25.26 | kevix | ke6isf: lpr x.ps ? |
| 04:25.32 | IEEE1003 | hmm I think not (response to chealer) |
| 04:25.39 | owner | ke6isf, all the fanboys think linus is a god |
| 04:25.50 | ke6isf | kevix: ...and do ps2pdf on the results. |
| 04:26.00 | ke6isf | owner: Well, yeah - ironic, since he's an atheist, as I understand it. |
| 04:26.01 | chealer_ | \amethyst: of course not. this is just the peak of the iceberg. if you knew who's behind Ubuntu |
| 04:26.01 | \amethyst | chealer_: I'm not about to argue about which is the best, because that depends on your religion |
| 04:26.14 | kevix | ke6isf: wait you said pdf or ps? |
| 04:26.15 | Azar | chealer_: who? |
| 04:26.19 | ke6isf | kevix: pdf. |
| 04:26.29 | \amethyst | chealer_: and how did you come upon this privileged information? |
| 04:26.47 | kevix | ke6isf: pdf2ps and then use lp or many just use a2ps |
| 04:26.50 | Azar | chealer_: who, who? now I burn with curiosity |
| 04:27.10 | chealer_ | Azar: if I tell you, they're going to eliminate me |
| 04:27.13 | kevix | \amethyst: vi is my religion! |
| 04:27.26 | Azar | chealer_: I am not a hater, I know how to hold on bad news |
| 04:27.32 | chealer_ | \amethyst: my friend told me. |
| 04:27.36 | \amethyst | kevix: I'm an atheist |
| 04:27.37 | ke6isf | kevix: I'm not sure that's what I need - the form in question is a state tax return that I have completed. I cannot save the completed form to print later. |
| 04:27.42 | \amethyst | I don't believe in emacs |
| 04:27.48 | \amethyst | It just doesn't exist |
| 04:27.53 | ke6isf | \amethyst: But emacs believes in you! =^_^= |
| 04:28.08 | \amethyst | Despite the fact that I read my email in M-x vm |
| 04:28.22 | Azar | chealer_: I can imagine is someone who could not stand Debian's slow progress... |
| 04:28.25 | Azar | Bil G? |
| 04:28.45 | \amethyst | Someone should port emacs to sawfish and librep |
| 04:28.46 | Azar | :) |
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| 04:28.52 | \amethyst | that would be nice |
| 04:29.09 | Azar | linTrump? |
| 04:29.10 | chealer_ | Azar: no, Bill Gates is behind Gnome. SC0 is behind Ubuntu. |
| 04:29.16 | Azar | omg! |
| 04:29.18 | manu | any howtos n enabling xgl on debian |
| 04:29.20 | Azar | wow |
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| 04:29.20 | chealer_ | Azar: but don't tell anyone! |
| 04:29.24 | Azar | ok |
| 04:29.26 | owner | lol |
| 04:29.35 | chealer_ | manu: xgl? are you sure that can be done? |
| 04:29.42 | liable | manu: seen the demo for it? |
| 04:29.48 | manu | yes |
| 04:29.49 | Azar | I know whos the main sco lawyer, that is the same as ceo of SBC |
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| 04:29.54 | Lord_Athur | :O |
| 04:29.55 | kevix | ke6isf: check out flpsed |
| 04:29.55 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg experimental |
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| 04:30.06 | Azar | that is the famous Forida 2002 hanging chads |
| 04:30.16 | manu | liable: so that cant b done on debian? |
| 04:30.19 | manu | *b |
| 04:30.20 | Azar | err 2000 chads |
| 04:30.21 | amphi | Azar: boies ? |
| 04:30.22 | manu | *be |
| 04:30.25 | Azar | yep |
| 04:30.28 | abrotman | manu: you'd have to ask the X people probably |
| 04:30.28 | kevix | ke6isf: check out flpsed and pdftk |
| 04:30.30 | liable | manu: i dont think so. |
| 04:30.45 | \amethyst | chealer_: ERR |
| 04:30.47 | manu | when will we have xorg 7 |
| 04:30.48 | abrotman | you may even have to patch some stuff .. but i dn't see why xgl wouldn't work |
| 04:30.49 | manu | ? |
| 04:30.54 | abrotman | manu: in sarge? |
| 04:30.56 | kevix | abrotman: is the XSF done with 7.0 yet ? |
| 04:30.58 | \amethyst | chealer_: oops, sorry about the caps. But xgl is certainly available |
| 04:31.00 | manu | unstable |
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| 04:31.13 | abrotman | manu: yes .. it has X6.9 i think . or will shortly |
| 04:31.16 | kevix | manu: yesterday! |
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| 04:31.34 | chealer_ | \amethyst: yeah but I guess if he asked "on debian" he meant using Debian packages |
| 04:31.34 | manu | its 6.9 i use that |
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| 04:31.44 | abrotman | kevix: i thought so .. but i don't see it in experimental .. though i don't know what its packages are called |
| 04:31.45 | kevix | manu: they are in the last steps of modularizing x.org...! |
| 04:31.47 | chealer_ | kevix: no |
| 04:32.07 | kevix | chealer_: no on what.? |
| 04:32.15 | manu | chealer_: yes if debian pacj\kages are available |
| 04:32.22 | manu | that is the best option |
| 04:32.27 | manu | :) |
| 04:32.28 | chealer_ | kevix: on "is the XSF done with 7.0 yet ?" |
| 04:32.37 | kevix | chealer_: yes I know that. |
| 04:32.37 | \amethyst | chealer_: ah, sounded like you were implying it wasn't available at all, my bad |
| 04:32.54 | chealer_ | manu: AFAIK xserver-xgl is only ITP-ed |
| 04:33.11 | ke6isf | kevix: Looks like pdftk might be the answer to the question. |
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| 04:33.36 | kevix | ke6isf: many a folks have battled with non-editable pdf! |
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| 04:33.53 | ke6isf | kevix: It's not that it's uneditable, it's that I can't save the field data. |
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| 04:34.02 | ke6isf | kevix: I suspect that I can alter that bit with this program. |
| 04:34.03 | kevix | ke6isf: the alternative is to run acrobat under wine. |
| 04:34.09 | IEEE1003 | is there a way to disable scripts in vi? |
| 04:34.17 | ke6isf | kevix: bleargh. |
| 04:34.27 | IEEE1003 | so it doesn't execute scripts |
| 04:34.36 | kevix | ke6isf: its AN option. not a free one. |
| 04:34.53 | ke6isf | kevix: Indeed. =O.o= |
| 04:35.01 | ke6isf | Guess the ops are offline atm. |
| 04:35.04 | kevix | oh... a bot! |
| 04:35.16 | ke6isf | kevix: A k-lined one at that. =^^= |
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| 04:35.28 | kevix | can someone make some ascii art cartoon! |
| 04:35.44 | abrotman | kevix: apt-get install cowsay |
| 04:35.55 | IEEE1003 | use aalib |
| 04:36.11 | doubletwist | Anyone here have experience with debian on an Alpha [LX164]? |
| 04:36.13 | kevix | IEEE1003: I use aaxine! |
| 04:36.26 | IEEE1003 | hmmm...... |
| 04:36.28 | abrotman | i have three alphas at work .. but i'm not sure i'll be much help |
| 04:36.31 | doubletwist | I'm reinstalling now, but I've been having trouble with booting. It won't autoboot. |
| 04:36.31 | IEEE1003 | how? |
| 04:36.33 | kevix | doubletwist: is it an alpha specific question? |
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| 04:36.41 | doubletwist | Yes it is alpha specific |
| 04:36.46 | abrotman | doubletwist: you have to fix the firmware ? |
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| 04:37.02 | doubletwist | It boots OpenBSd/NetBSD just perfectly [autobooting] |
| 04:37.14 | abrotman | ok .. why doesn't it boot debian ? |
| 04:37.38 | h2theizzo | Here is my problem, i goto install something,it says you need gcc 3.4, i have 3.3 and 3.4 installed, what command to i use when running the install command,to tell it to use 3.4? |
| 04:37.43 | doubletwist | If I install debian it tries to autoboot, but complains then gives me the oportunity to 'l'ist the available kernels. I hit '0' and it will then boot fine. |
| 04:37.52 | j4cbo | is there some way to enable AAM on a sata hard drive? |
| 04:38.04 | j4cbo | hdparm -M gives "HDIO_GET_ACOUSTIC failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" |
| 04:38.06 | doubletwist | I forgot the exact message. I'll have it again in a few minutes when it is finished reinstalling. |
| 04:38.12 | danbrwn | New to linux, how do I set up the screen for larger than 800X600. |
| 04:38.17 | abrotman | doubletwist: sounds like you need to fix the firmware |
| 04:38.18 | j4cbo | i'm running sid/2.6.15 |
| 04:38.21 | abrotman | !alpha |
| 04:38.21 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
| 04:38.29 | \amethyst | h2theizzo: install something how? |
| 04:38.46 | doubletwist | Heh |
| 04:38.51 | h2theizzo | tyring to compile nvidias drivers, cuz i run the 7800gt |
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| 04:39.20 | \amethyst | h2theizzo: when you compile add -V 3.4 to CFLAGS |
| 04:39.38 | h2theizzo | will there be something called CFLAGS |
| 04:39.43 | h2theizzo | or just att that on to the command |
| 04:39.45 | \amethyst | h2theizzo: in the Makefile |
| 04:39.48 | abrotman | doubletwist: do you know which firmware? |
| 04:39.50 | \amethyst | err |
| 04:39.53 | \amethyst | h2theizzo: wait |
| 04:39.55 | h2theizzo | k |
| 04:39.59 | \amethyst | h2theizzo: you're compiling them? |
| 04:40.00 | j4cbo | h2theizzo: you could just rm /usr/bin/gcc; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 04:40.01 | abrotman | doubletwist: is it even making it to aboot ? |
| 04:40.09 | doubletwist | The message it gives is "aboot: loading compressed ..." then "aboot: loading compressed" then says "unzip: unknown compression method" |
| 04:40.19 | doubletwist | yeah it gets to aboot |
| 04:40.27 | EdLin | !itanium |
| 04:40.27 | dpkg | somebody said itanium was intels 64 bit processor, or vaporware |
| 04:40.27 | doubletwist | So I guess it is aboot itself that's having a problem. |
| 04:40.31 | h2theizzo | im not doin it really,my buddy is,and hes not giving me much info |
| 04:40.41 | chealer_ | h2theizzo: which Debian CPU architecture do you use? |
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| 04:40.53 | EdLin | they shouldn't have said vaporware, more like zombieware - in a state somewhere between life and death. |
| 04:40.59 | kevix | h2theizzo: have you tried module-assistant ? |
| 04:41.02 | h2theizzo | he is useing the unstable i believe,cuz he has the x2 4400+ cpu |
| 04:41.19 | abrotman | doubletwist: did you check the bts ? |
| 04:41.27 | doubletwist | abrotman The SRM version says V5.8-1 with SROM Revision 3.1 |
| 04:41.30 | h2theizzo | ok |
| 04:41.35 | h2theizzo | its the Nvidia installer telling him that |
| 04:41.43 | abrotman | doubletwist: i can't remember if mine use srm or arc |
| 04:41.49 | kevix | doubletwist: have you google lists.debian.org for the alpha list? |
| 04:41.51 | chealer_ | !tell h2theizzo about nvidia instaler |
| 04:41.53 | j4cbo | h2theizzo: just change the gcc symlink |
| 04:41.53 | chealer_ | !tell h2theizzo about nvidia installer |
| 04:42.12 | nima | nice job, chealer_ |
| 04:42.20 | chealer_ | nima: thanks |
| 04:42.49 | nima | :-P |
| 04:42.57 | h2theizzo | that is not the problem, the Debian is a fresh install |
| 04:43.05 | Azar | hmm mepis pulling from debian will suck from ubuntu |
| 04:43.26 | danbrwn | New to linux, how do I set up the screen for larger than 800X600. |
| 04:43.33 | doubletwist | kevix You know, oddly enough I haven't. What the heck is wrong with me. It's usually the first thing I do... :( |
| 04:43.45 | IEEE1003 | are you using KDE or gnome? |
| 04:43.48 | h2theizzo | but X will not start because of no drivers,he is trying to install the nvidia drivers so he can run X,but the nvidia installer is telling him he needs 3.4, kernal says 3.4 was compiled with the kernal but he has 3.3 installed |
| 04:43.52 | doubletwist | Seriously. I guess I just happened to be here so I decided to just ask... ah well... |
| 04:44.01 | abrotman | doubletwist: check the bts for aboot bugs also |
| 04:44.13 | nima | danbrwn, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xorg|xfree86] |
| 04:44.24 | Azar | h2theizzo: you can't use the nvidia installer |
| 04:44.28 | h2theizzo | danbrwn, press CTRL+ALT+ and the + key |
| 04:44.28 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 04:44.29 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 04:44.44 | kevix | danbrwn: are you using sarge? testing , or unstable? |
| 04:45.06 | h2theizzo | then waht do i use? |
| 04:45.18 | Azar | h2 /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 04:45.36 | nima | /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 04:45.39 | nima | oops |
| 04:45.44 | nima | how did that work |
| 04:45.50 | danbrwn | kevix, stable |
| 04:45.55 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:45.55 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 04:46.04 | kevix | danbrwn: well that could be woody or sarge... |
| 04:46.25 | Azar | you need the 2.6.8 kernel before doing nvidia |
| 04:46.48 | Azar | ... in Debian Stable (Sarge) 3.1 |
| 04:47.00 | chealer_ | Azar: why? |
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| 04:47.19 | Azar | chealer_ because 2.6 has more support than the default 2.4.27 |
| 04:47.27 | Azar | .. so why not? |
| 04:47.28 | h2theizzo | he has 2.6.8 |
| 04:47.31 | h2theizzo | so it will be ok |
| 04:47.32 | chealer_ | Azar: more support for what? |
| 04:47.38 | danbrwn | Kevix, Ill check my distribution CDs, Back in a sec |
| 04:47.44 | Azar | for.. well for something |
| 04:47.56 | Azar | :) cheers |
| 04:47.57 | kevix | danbrwn: wait, just check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:48.17 | chealer_ | Azar: so how does that make it impossible to "do nvidia" on 2.4? |
| 04:48.32 | kevix | chealer_: its just easier.... |
| 04:48.43 | chealer_ | kevix: I'm pretty sure it's harder |
| 04:48.47 | Azar | h2theizzo: also nvidia is "non-free" adjust /etc/apt/sources.list so that all sources end in / stable non-free contrib before doing nvidia |
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| 04:48.57 | owner | ati and nvidia are dropping support for xfree |
| 04:48.59 | owner | eventually |
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| 04:49.11 | Azar | chealer_ did I said "impossible" ? I just recommended |
| 04:49.25 | nima | owner, when they dont want to make money? |
| 04:49.29 | kevix | owner: then they will lose lots of money from us geeks! |
| 04:49.30 | j4cbo | everyone's dropping support for xfree86, though... |
| 04:49.36 | Azar | chealer_: because you install nvidia with 2.4 and later on when you upgrade to 2.6 you have to do it again.. |
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| 04:49.42 | britt_ | could somebody help me with a shell script? I need to make a script to take the output from 'locate *.m4a' and make that the input to 'rm -rf [output from locate] |
| 04:49.43 | owner | but most distros have switched to xorg |
| 04:49.49 | abrotman | kevix: sarge is the only distro i know using xfree still |
| 04:50.04 | \amethyst | britt_: man xargs |
| 04:50.14 | j4cbo | "dropping support for xfree" != "dropping support for x", people |
| 04:50.22 | abrotman | britt_: or man find |
| 04:50.26 | kevix | abrotman: yes. I thought they meant xfree=xorg=x widows |
| 04:50.32 | chealer_ | Azar: you said "you need the 2.6.8 kernel before doing nvidia". so if you s/doing nvidia/install NVIDIA's drivers, that implies it's not possible to install them on 2.4 |
| 04:50.33 | abrotman | kevix: no way |
| 04:50.34 | \amethyst | abrotman: locate is much faster than find |
| 04:50.38 | awb4422 | I've been googling and have seen mixed results. Is it possible to change from testing to stable by just changing my sources.list? |
| 04:50.39 | danbrwn | Kevix, thanks its sarge 3.1 r0a |
| 04:50.47 | dn4 | how do I burn a .img file to a cd? |
| 04:50.47 | britt_ | i dont understand what xargs has that I could use |
| 04:50.51 | awb4422 | ie is it a safe thing to do |
| 04:50.54 | Azar | chealer_ my bad I did not ment impossible , I ment "better" |
| 04:50.55 | nima | im still on xfree, chealer_ |
| 04:50.59 | abrotman | \amethyst: i merely offered another way to do that |
| 04:51.05 | amphi | dn4: what is that, an iso image? |
| 04:51.20 | kevix | dn4: cdrecord and man pages! |
| 04:51.22 | GPLGeek | img usually refers to a floppy boot image |
| 04:51.26 | chealer_ | nima: I guess you were talking to someone else |
| 04:51.30 | GPLGeek | but can be other types |
| 04:51.45 | Azar | chealer_: why would be wrong for someone to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6.8 ? and that BEFORE doing nvidia so not having to do it again |
| 04:51.56 | kevix | britt_: it just a way to avoid a loop |
| 04:52.05 | chealer_ | Azar: it wouldn't be wrong, it would be optional |
| 04:52.10 | EdLin | Azar: you have to re-do nvidia after any kernel upgrade |
| 04:52.24 | Azar | EdLin: right |
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| 04:52.37 | abrotman | nvidia sucks |
| 04:52.45 | nima | why the hell am i at mepis.org |
| 04:52.45 | owner | not as much ati |
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| 04:52.46 | GPLGeek | both nvidia and ati drivers require you to have the kernel-source |
| 04:52.56 | Azar | I am for Install Sarge > upgrade kernel > install X > do nvidia it just seem logical |
| 04:52.59 | EdLin | abrotman: ati sucks too, they all suck in some way. |
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| 04:53.00 | chealer_ | GPLGeek: no |
| 04:53.05 | abrotman | EdLin: intel! |
| 04:53.09 | GPLGeek | or at least the header files |
| 04:53.11 | nima | we should all make our own video card brand |
| 04:53.12 | owner | ati drivers are worse than nvidia for linux |
| 04:53.14 | nima | that doesnt suck |
| 04:53.19 | GPLGeek | They treid that niba |
| 04:53.22 | EdLin | abrotman: then maybe your driver doesn't suck but the card does. ;-) |
| 04:53.23 | nima | ownder, indeed |
| 04:53.33 | GPLGeek | s/treid/tried |
| 04:53.36 | abrotman | EdLin: it's a laptop .. it's a given . but at least i don't spend three days making it work :) |
| 04:53.44 | kevix | who wants slow-asss graphics card! |
| 04:53.55 | abrotman | i'd rather have a free driver than a fast card |
| 04:54.13 | amphi | nima: there was discussion about an open hw card, on kerneltrap IIRC |
| 04:54.24 | kevix | abrotman: oh. mr. stallman! |
| 04:54.33 | Azar | so far I only found tigerdirect to help me with hardware for linux.. all others suck |
| 04:54.44 | abrotman | kevix: it's not that .. it's just such a hassle to get ati/nvidia crap to work |
| 04:55.06 | Gnea | we should just do away with graphics cores altogether and go back to atari 2600 graphics :D |
| 04:55.14 | kevix | abrotman: I've had a reasonable time with my nvidia. |
| 04:55.14 | GPLGeek | what other "gaming" cards besides ati and nvidia will play games like doom3 in linux? |
| 04:55.24 | abrotman | none afaik |
| 04:55.27 | EdLin | abrotman: I just use the "nv" driver. No hardware graphics acceleration, but my idea of a fun game is angband. :-) |
| 04:55.30 | abrotman | matrox can play some older games .. |
| 04:55.36 | abrotman | maybe some of the newer intel cards .. |
| 04:55.54 | abrotman | EdLin: i get hardware accel .. and dont' have to play the retarded games to do it |
| 04:56.01 | Gnea | GPLGeek: supposedly, the intel 915's can |
| 04:56.02 | danbrwn | kevix, im using sarge 3.1 r0a |
| 04:56.12 | Azar | bah back in the days when nvidia and ati did not exist amiga and commodore systems ran great games |
| 04:56.16 | kevix | danbrwn: ok. what was the question? |
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| 04:56.35 | GPLGeek | I still got a commodore |
| 04:56.35 | Gnea | Azar: Populous & Dungeon Master >:) |
| 04:56.39 | abrotman | Azar: yay for ncurses ? |
| 04:56.39 | danbrwn | kevix, how to configure my screen. Now only 800X600 |
| 04:56.56 | liable | !drxx danbrwn |
| 04:56.56 | dpkg | danbrwn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:56.57 | GPLGeek | but I usually emulate c64 becasue most my disks are flawed |
| 04:56.57 | EdLin | I ran Populous on a 386. Great fun. :-) |
| 04:57.04 | Azar | Inca Empire, Bounty.. the way I remember |
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| 04:57.14 | abrotman | EdLin: armageddon! |
| 04:57.16 | britt_ | i still have a 486. |
| 04:57.18 | abrotman | bah .. i can't spell |
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| 04:57.23 | abrotman | Azar: inca empire was great |
| 04:57.32 | \amethyst | abrotman: Someone needs to take advantage of the unicode abilities of X terminals in a roguelike, I think |
| 04:57.34 | britt_ | xargs sucks |
| 04:57.34 | Azar | yep.. sniff and wipes a tear |
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| 04:57.41 | kevix | britt_: I have a timex-sinclair! |
| 04:57.49 | abrotman | \amethyst: are you volunteering ? |
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| 04:57.56 | kevix | \amethyst: cool idea! |
| 04:58.02 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 04:58.08 | Gnea | \amethyst: yeah, you should |
| 04:58.11 | \amethyst | I wonder if nethack is utf-8 safe |
| 04:58.15 | britt_ | kevix: i think ya got me beat. If i had 550 bucks, i'd have my dream machine--a Amiga A4000T |
| 04:58.17 | Azar | I burned my commodore like an idiot |
| 04:58.24 | kevix | \amethyst: you could use chinese ideograms for characters! |
| 04:58.25 | \amethyst | Something like a different diacritical for each type of orc :) |
| 04:58.31 | EdLin | my first computer (actually, my stepgrandfather's, but I used it more) was an Apple II. I played Sublogic's Flight Simulator on it for hours at a time. |
| 04:58.40 | \amethyst | kevix: I don't want to think about double-width characters... |
| 04:58.56 | britt_ | EdLin: mine was a Pitney Bowes 8088 with 512K ram and a 12MB SCSI drive |
| 04:59.02 | kevix | EdLin: my friend has a pineAPPLE |
| 04:59.15 | EdLin | the first one that I had of my own completely was a 386-16 |
| 04:59.19 | IEEE1003 | old 486 |
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| 04:59.30 | Azar | my dad keeps stashed all atari and commodore games .. |
| 04:59.44 | britt_ | EdLin: you mean 286? I thought 386s started off faster. |
| 04:59.47 | EdLin | I ran Linux kernel 0.95 and early 0.99 on that 386. Took nearly two days to compile the kernel. |
| 05:00.02 | EdLin | britt_: no, 386s started at 16MHz |
| 05:00.10 | britt_ | EdLin: alright. |
| 05:00.23 | IEEE1003 | any1 know a unix that runs on 8086?? |
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| 05:00.27 | \amethyst | EdLin: DX or SX? |
| 05:00.29 | deadcat | !any1 |
| 05:00.29 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 05:00.33 | Gnea | IEEE1003: SCO? |
| 05:00.35 | abrotman | !elks |
| 05:00.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, elks is at http://elks.sourceforge.net |
| 05:00.45 | abrotman | IEEE1003: ^^ .. runs on a 286 |
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| 05:00.50 | abrotman | maybe lower . dunno |
| 05:00.53 | EdLin | \amethyst: SX, but Compaq came out with non-sx 386-16s too. |
| 05:00.54 | britt_ | I had a 386-40, that was a powerful system of the time |
| 05:00.57 | nima | IEEE1003, well, netbsd runs on anything |
| 05:00.57 | kevix | IEEE1003: the question is why? |
| 05:01.02 | Azar | nice: Woodford from Mepis: "There's not anything to fault, it's simply the fact that Debian is more engineering conscious, and has a more methodical approach to getting a release out every year and a half.... It's not that Etch is broken, but just that Etch is changing a lot." |
| 05:01.11 | EdLin | nima: NetBSD requires an MMU |
| 05:01.17 | veteran | i've been trying to apt-get install ffmpeg, but have been getting this: http://pastebin.com/550681 |
| 05:01.22 | veteran | any ideas? |
| 05:01.22 | danbrwn | dpkg, I get command not found with that command |
| 05:01.25 | \amethyst | EdLin: I had an SX-20 laptop as my first PC, about 13 years ago |
| 05:01.36 | liable | !any idea's |
| 05:01.38 | IEEE1003 | just thinking about really old machyines, want to run linux on PIC16F84A |
| 05:01.43 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 05:01.43 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 starving bunnies. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 05:01.52 | EdLin | !liable++ |
| 05:01.53 | Azar | :) |
| 05:02.20 | kevix | \amethyst: I'm on a 166mhz/32mb laptop. |
| 05:02.23 | chealer_ | veteran: which release do you use? |
| 05:02.36 | liable | veteran: you have marillat in your repo's? |
| 05:02.48 | IEEE1003 | 700MHz 256MB laptop |
| 05:02.59 | EdLin | 1.7GHz P4 desktop |
| 05:03.02 | kevix | what would we do without marillat! |
| 05:03.07 | dn4 | haha |
| 05:03.22 | liable | haha, but does it work? |
| 05:03.26 | kevix | dn4: if it is an .img, use dd! |
| 05:03.32 | N0S3 | hello |
| 05:03.33 | dn4 | dd? |
| 05:03.39 | kevix | dn4: man dd |
| 05:03.39 | nima | dd |
| 05:03.44 | veteran | chealer_, sarge |
| 05:03.46 | \amethyst | kevix: err, dd to a CDROM? |
| 05:03.49 | veteran | liable, nope? |
| 05:03.55 | \amethyst | s/OM// |
| 05:04.07 | EdLin | dn4: don't listen to him, you can't dd to a cd burner. |
| 05:04.33 | kevix | EdLin: \amethyst: to a floppy disk |
| 05:04.37 | IEEE1003 | you can't dd to a burner, needs burning software |
| 05:04.39 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:04.46 | chealer_ | veteran: paste the output of $ apt-cache policy ffmpeg somewhere |
| 05:04.49 | King_Brad | how do i make a program startup with the system? |
| 05:04.52 | King_Brad | or make it a cron job |
| 05:04.54 | King_Brad | ? |
| 05:04.59 | EdLin | kevix: last time I checked it was a cdrom he was burning it to. |
| 05:05.05 | IEEE1003 | unless you made a device driver that burned to a cd |
| 05:05.12 | liable | !+info ffmpeg sarge |
| 05:05.15 | dpkg | ffmpeg: (multimedia player, server and encoder), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.cvs20050313-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 3991 kB, Installed size: 10380 kB |
| 05:05.20 | kevix | EdLin: he said and .img not an .iso |
| 05:05.31 | nima | N0S3, wtf? |
| 05:05.34 | liable | kevix: made by nero probably |
| 05:05.40 | kevix | King_Brad: thats one way! |
| 05:05.43 | \amethyst | You can burn a floppy image to a CDROM |
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| 05:05.49 | dn4 | yes I have a .img file that I do not know how to burn with k3b |
| 05:05.55 | \amethyst | isn't that how el torito works? |
| 05:06.14 | kevix | \amethyst: is that mexican food! |
| 05:06.20 | veteran | chealer_, http://pastebin.com/550688 |
| 05:06.24 | nima | can you mount .img files like you do .iso files? |
| 05:06.27 | dn4 | I tried renamed the .img file to .iso and now I cannot read the cdrom I just burned |
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| 05:06.40 | \amethyst | kevix: the standard for bootable CDs |
| 05:06.46 | nima | somehow, that doesnt surprise me, dn4 |
| 05:06.46 | EdLin | dn4: what size is the .img file? |
| 05:06.53 | kevix | dn4: type this 'file xxx.img' where xxx is the filename |
| 05:07.00 | N0S3 | nima: i cannot understand you |
| 05:07.01 | merlincorey | help! :) what's the command to tell the kernel to stop flooding error messages to std::out on my tty? |
| 05:07.02 | kevix | \amethyst: I know. I was kidding |
| 05:07.10 | chealer_ | veteran: then your answer to liable's question should have been yes |
| 05:07.25 | veteran | i was mistaken :/ |
| 05:07.30 | \amethyst | kevix: I'm USan, my irony detector is broken |
| 05:07.54 | Azar | N0S3: they are only bots trying to bruteforce, as long as they are recognized as "illegal user" they will not gain access |
| 05:07.59 | dondelelcaro | !tell merlincorey -about printk |
| 05:08.01 | kevix | \amethyst: I am a new yorker....and you point is... |
| 05:08.16 | dn4 | kevix, generic-pc-1.3a1.img: gzip compressed data, was "generic-pc-1.3a1", from Unix, max compression |
| 05:08.35 | merlincorey | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 05:08.38 | kevix | dn4: so its gziped? |
| 05:08.43 | \amethyst | kevix: that I was being oblivious |
| 05:08.48 | EdLin | kevix: a new yawker? I'm in Brooklyn. :-) |
| 05:08.54 | veteran | chealer_, so, what would be the fix? |
| 05:08.56 | dn4 | kevix, froma unix max compression |
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| 05:08.59 | stew | big up brooklyn |
| 05:09.00 | kevix | EdLin: that is where I hail from! |
| 05:09.07 | dondelelcaro | N0S3: if you want to stop them, use fail2ban or similar |
| 05:09.08 | SigmaX | Yo; I'm trying a multi-head display setup... but keep getting "Screen 1 deleted because of no matching config section." |
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| 05:09.12 | dn4 | kevix, does this mean I can ungzip it? |
| 05:09.15 | SigmaX | My xorg.conf is posted at sigmax.no-ip.org/~eric/xorg.conf if anybody can help |
| 05:09.16 | kevix | crooklyn in the house! |
| 05:09.18 | N0S3 | Azar: and if I move the port 22 to another port? is a solution not? |
| 05:09.25 | kevix | dn4: seems to make sense. |
| 05:09.34 | chealer_ | veteran: you need to clean up your sources. if you want to keep a marillat source, get one for sarge |
| 05:09.37 | duanear | Is the software raid driver built-in to the debian kernel or is it loaded as a module? |
| 05:10.04 | Azar | N0S3: port 22 is ssh, if you do not want to have secure inbound connection over ssh from friends and relatives, just block it or remove ssh |
| 05:10.16 | dondelelcaro | duanear: loaded as a module most likely. |
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| 05:10.34 | dondelelcaro | duanear: since you'd just stick it in an initrd anyway, it's not really a big deal. |
| 05:10.36 | stew | EdLin: where in brooklyn? |
| 05:10.47 | kevix | Azar: have you tried fail2ban... it supposed to help with attacks |
| 05:10.48 | EdLin | stew: Williamsburgh |
| 05:10.59 | ropo | hi |
| 05:11.10 | N0S3 | Azar: ahh ok , thanks |
| 05:11.16 | Azar | kevix, I did but fail2ban does not block or limit the bruteforce lines in the logs.. |
| 05:11.27 | stew | EdLin: i'm in park slope, but i'm in williamsburg all the time becuase i have a client there |
| 05:11.43 | \amethyst | N0S3: moving SSH to another port is possible (ssh clients have the -p option), and will protect from the brunt of the attacks, but it is security through obscurity |
| 05:11.47 | EdLin | stew: park slope, nice neighborhood |
| 05:11.50 | kevix | Azar: so get rid of password based auth. |
| 05:11.52 | liable | Azar: iptables recent module does |
| 05:12.01 | Azar | N0S3: if you want to stay secure, never use X as root, only as user |
| 05:12.05 | EdLin | stew: wow, three of us Brooklyners here. |
| 05:12.14 | Thanatermesis | wow, what has happen in the last hours on ETCH ? i have a REALLY LOT of packges for upgrade |
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| 05:12.22 | kevix | stew: I was just in w'burg. |
| 05:12.25 | Azar | kevix, they bruteforce for "username" not for password |
| 05:12.28 | duanear | This I don't understand. |
| 05:12.37 | duanear | "Initialise the superblock if you reuse hard disks" in dpkg-recongifure mdadm |
| 05:12.54 | kevix | Azar: if you have only ssh keys... no need for passwords. |
| 05:12.58 | dn4 | gzip -d generic-pc-1.3a1.img |
| 05:12.58 | dn4 | gzip: generic-pc-1.3a1.img: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 05:13.08 | stew | kevix: hope you like snow |
| 05:13.12 | Azar | kevix, I do not have ssh keys |
| 05:13.14 | dn4 | aparently I cannot decompress the file |
| 05:13.25 | kevix | stew: I used to live up state. this is fluff! |
| 05:13.30 | beginer | i want to start a webcam anytime when i turn on my computer... any ideea? |
| 05:13.33 | Azar | :) kevix burried in the snow :) |
| 05:13.54 | kevix | dn4: it complained because it doesnt have a .gz. you can override this.or rename the file. |
| 05:14.02 | Azar | 78 F here, kevix, I took a swim |
| 05:14.11 | EdLin | kevix: when I lived in Virginia they would close everything if it snowed even a little. Too cheap to buy snowplows for the few days a year they were snowed in. |
| 05:14.14 | chealer_ | Thanatermesis: apparently the dbus transition went in |
| 05:14.18 | liable | dn4: renam it ti a .gz |
| 05:14.19 | duanear | Will the md driver automatically start arrays at boot if used as a moduel? |
| 05:14.24 | Thanatermesis | oh.. all this for dbus ? |
| 05:14.32 | kevix | beginer: use cron or /etc/init.d/README |
| 05:14.50 | Thanatermesis | i have actually problems with this things chealer_... just testing this new HAL... and it detects my cdrom things... but NO DETECTS my USB ! |
| 05:14.51 | chealer_ | Thanatermesis: there's X.org 6.9 too |
| 05:14.51 | kevix | Azar: frost and snow and sleet! |
| 05:14.51 | EdLin | kevix: of course, this was eastern virginia - it's different in the mountains. |
| 05:14.55 | Thanatermesis | usb sticks |
| 05:15.02 | Thanatermesis | wow |
| 05:15.05 | Azar | kevix, sounds depressing |
| 05:15.06 | chealer_ | Thanatermesis: I have no idea |
| 05:15.37 | kevix | Azar: for every season..turn..turn...turn... |
| 05:15.44 | dn4 | ok I renamed the file to . gz and gzip -d xxx.gz |
| 05:15.52 | Azar | kevix cheer up: valentine chocolates |
| 05:15.55 | EdLin | Azar: it's been a warm winter in NYC this year. This is one of the few times its snowed. |
| 05:15.57 | dn4 | should I of done xxx.img.gz ?? |
| 05:15.59 | kevix | Azar: hehe |
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| 05:16.21 | kevix | EdLin: true.... global warming has benefits?! |
| 05:16.44 | EdLin | kevix: until the sea level grows higher than the five boroughs |
| 05:17.01 | kevix | EdLin: all aboard for noahs arc! |
| 05:17.30 | EdLin | kevix: Noah's Arc is in the lower east side, I'm afraid that will be one of the first places flooded. ;-) |
| 05:17.43 | Thanatermesis | chealer_ do you know any of the hal's developers on this channel ? i think to if im true is a very important bug |
| 05:18.04 | kevix | Thanatermesis: use the bts! |
| 05:18.07 | chealer_ | Thanatermesis: no |
| 05:18.27 | kevix | Thanatermesis: every good developer talks to upstream! |
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| 05:18.49 | dn4 | hmm there must be a way to take a .img and make it into a .iso |
| 05:19.18 | tarzeau | i wish someone fixed gnumail.app so i can mail again |
| 05:19.19 | kevix | dn4: where did thi .img come from.. a nero app? |
| 05:19.30 | tarzeau | kevix: nah |
| 05:19.39 | tarzeau | kevix: img existed long before nero |
| 05:19.47 | tarzeau | kevix: what says file the.img |
| 05:19.54 | stew | img is pretty meaningless |
| 05:19.57 | tarzeau | img was also used for floppy images, pictures, and other stuff |
| 05:19.58 | dn4 | kevix, this .img is from m0n0wall's website |
| 05:20.04 | kevix | tarzeau: I am unfamilar with the extension in this case. |
| 05:20.20 | stew | dn4: what does "file whatever.img" say it is? |
| 05:20.26 | kevix | dn4: what the heck are you doing with a monowall img? |
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| 05:20.33 | dn4 | generic-pc-1.3a1.img |
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| 05:20.40 | tarzeau | dn4: but what says file about it |
| 05:20.44 | tarzeau | dn4: apt-get install file |
| 05:20.49 | N0S3 | \amethyst: \amethyst: thank you, I will keep it in mind |
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| 05:21.04 | dn4 | tarzeau, generic-pc-1.3a1.img: gzip compressed data, was "generic-pc-1.3a1", from Unix, max compression |
| 05:21.08 | tarzeau | dn4: why not try debian gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 05:21.15 | kevix | dn4: what the heck are you doing with a monowall img? |
| 05:21.15 | tarzeau | see #gnu-kbsd |
| 05:21.25 | dn4 | kevix, trying to burn it to CD |
| 05:21.27 | tarzeau | dn4: so rename it to img.gz and run gunzip on it |
| 05:21.27 | lusnao | amy kismet user here right now? |
| 05:21.31 | tarzeau | dn4: your browser sucks |
| 05:21.34 | EdLin | dn4: why are you asking for non kfreebsd help on a Debian channel? |
| 05:21.38 | tarzeau | dn4: the shit of your browser broke the filename |
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| 05:21.52 | tarzeau | EdLin: kfreebsd IS DEBIAN |
| 05:21.52 | liable | lusnao: just ask. |
| 05:21.53 | kevix | dn4: you did not find instructions from the monowall website. |
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| 05:21.57 | EdLin | s/kfreebsd/kfreebsd freebsd/ |
| 05:22.03 | EdLin | tarzeau: typo, sorry |
| 05:22.06 | jair | hello guys, how are you doing tonight? |
| 05:22.16 | tarzeau | jair: it's 6 am here |
| 05:22.17 | dn4 | I am asking about a XXX.img file |
| 05:22.23 | tarzeau | jair: and i'm going onto the mountains. LOL |
| 05:22.28 | jair | tarzeau, haha |
| 05:22.30 | tarzeau | dn4: can i have a copy of that? |
| 05:22.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:22.38 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:22.38 | jair | tarzeau, where are you now? |
| 05:22.41 | dn4 | tarzeau, sure |
| 05:22.44 | lusnao | liable: is there a way to prevent my AP's SSID fr being reported by kismet? |
| 05:22.46 | kevix | dn4: have you checked the monowall website! |
| 05:22.47 | tarzeau | jair: 20 minutes from zurich, switzerland |
| 05:22.56 | deadcat | lusnao: no. |
| 05:23.02 | tarzeau | jair: the weather will be beautiful, destination's engelberg |
| 05:23.05 | jair | tarzeau, nice I just went to Muenchen. December |
| 05:23.08 | kevix | tarzeau: how about popCORN! |
| 05:23.14 | tarzeau | jair: they don't have mountains |
| 05:23.16 | stew | dn4: is this an image for a flash card or some such? |
| 05:23.22 | liable | lusnao: not really, even if you turn off ssid broadcast, kismet can decloak it if theres any traffic |
| 05:23.26 | stew | dn4: what media are you trying to put it on? |
| 05:23.30 | tarzeau | kevix: i've had champagner and nuts last wednesday. popcorn is for teh cheap |
| 05:23.30 | jair | tarzeau, are you familiar with rsync? |
| 05:23.32 | dn4 | stew, I believe the image can be used for flash |
| 05:23.35 | tarzeau | jair: sure |
| 05:23.39 | dn4 | stew, cdrom, the file is 9mbs |
| 05:23.40 | tarzeau | !rsync |
| 05:23.40 | dpkg | i heard rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 05:23.44 | dn4 | I do not have a flash drive |
| 05:23.50 | kevix | lusnao: there is passive detection, and active detection. you can not prevent passive. |
| 05:24.01 | tarzeau | !seen luk |
| 05:24.02 | dpkg | luk <~luk@121-55.240.81.adsl.skynet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 12d 8h 58m 37s ago, saying: 'hi simira :-)'. |
| 05:24.10 | lusnao | deadcat: but i saw a kismet screenshot in a website where SSID was displayed as <hidden>. |
| 05:24.12 | jair | tarzeau, , I am trying to understand the basic at least of it. |
| 05:24.15 | stew | dn4: does "file foo.img" say what type of filesystem it is? |
| 05:24.33 | stew | dn4: doesn't monowall also provide isos? |
| 05:24.43 | deadcat | lusnao: not for long |
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| 05:24.50 | tarzeau | stew: he pasted what it was. and said his browser is the worst shit of piece software |
| 05:25.00 | tarzeau | dn4: what's your browser called again? firefox? mozilla? |
| 05:25.05 | tarzeau | dn4: internet explorer? |
| 05:25.15 | dn4 | stew, all the ftps with the .iso file are giving me error 404 :( |
| 05:25.16 | kevix | dn4: use wget! |
| 05:25.26 | lusnao | deadcat: don't get you. |
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| 05:25.45 | deadcat | lusnao: after certain amount of packets. the hidden id will be shown |
| 05:26.05 | kevix | deadcat: thats the nature of passive detection.... |
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| 05:26.19 | dn4 | http://m0n0.ch/wall/list-dev/showmsg.php?id=13/72 |
| 05:26.24 | jair | tarzeau, can I give you some examples? |
| 05:26.24 | stew | dn4: http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/download.php?get=cdrom-1.21.iso&mirror=2 |
| 05:26.28 | lusnao | deadcat: i see, if kismet is kept running long enough, the SSID will eventually appear. |
| 05:26.33 | dn4 | stew, I do not need 1.21 |
| 05:26.37 | jmg | stew: pfsense |
| 05:26.39 | dn4 | I need freebsd 6.0 |
| 05:26.41 | liable | lusnao: disabling ssid broadcasting doesnt give you any real security |
| 05:26.42 | dn4 | not 4.11 |
| 05:26.49 | deadcat | lusnao: yes |
| 05:26.49 | danbrwn | kevix,dpgk, thanks got the resolution right |
| 05:26.51 | tarzeau | jair: no, if i don't dress up, i don't have time to put make up on! i need to catch the train |
| 05:26.51 | jmg | dn4: pfsense |
| 05:26.55 | stew | dn4: in any case, this is all off topic for this chanel |
| 05:27.09 | jair | tarzeau, ohh ok are you going out? |
| 05:27.11 | jair | :) |
| 05:27.14 | lusnao | liable: ssid is one of the items required for cracking WEP. |
| 05:27.23 | dn4 | actually the toppic is how to extract a .img file onmy debian box :) |
| 05:27.25 | tarzeau | jair: didn't i tell so already? yes to the mountains |
| 05:27.29 | kevix | lusnao: active detection asks you for your info. passive detection just sniffs packeks until it figures out who you are. |
| 05:27.33 | jair | I know sorry |
| 05:27.39 | jair | tarzeau, thank you anyway |
| 05:27.40 | Silicon | what about WPA |
| 05:27.42 | tarzeau | dn4: run file on it, then rename it to what it really is |
| 05:27.47 | jair | tarzeau, I will try to read the manuals. |
| 05:27.51 | stew | dn4: what filesystem is it. .img is not at all descriptive |
| 05:28.11 | tarzeau | dn4: it's easy if file says it's gzipped add .gz to it, and unpack it. then make it iso it's supposed to be burned onto the cd-r |
| 05:28.41 | lusnao | kevix: kismet is capable of both active and passive detection? |
| 05:28.41 | kevix | tarzeau: I told dn4 that a while ago. then he said its a monowall image |
| 05:28.46 | liable | tarzeau: make up? |
| 05:29.01 | kevix | lusnao: I forget . netstumbler or kismet. |
| 05:29.01 | stew | it's an image that's meant to just be dd'd to a drive |
| 05:29.05 | tarzeau | liable: heh :) well friend needs to put that on , women need at least 1 hour for that |
| 05:29.19 | liable | at least :) |
| 05:29.30 | tarzeau | liable: think she can wake up on her own? |
| 05:29.47 | dn4 | generic-pc-1.3a1.img: gzip compressed data, was "generic-pc-1.3a1", from Unix, max compression |
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| 05:29.57 | dn4 | What does the From Unix, max compression mean? |
| 05:30.01 | tarzeau | dn4: mv generic-pc-1.3a1.img generic-pc-1.3a1.img.gz |
| 05:30.01 | liable | tarzeau: i dont know her? |
| 05:30.07 | tarzeau | dn4: gunzip generic-pc-1.3a1.img.gz |
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| 05:30.15 | tarzeau | dn4: file generic-pc-1.3a1.img |
| 05:30.22 | tarzeau | dn4: mv generic-pc-1.3a1.img generic-pc-1.3a1.iso |
| 05:30.25 | tarzeau | dn4: man cdrecord |
| 05:30.26 | kevix | dn4: you should go to the monowall web site or forum. youll get better info. |
| 05:30.29 | tarzeau | liable: nope |
| 05:31.03 | stew | dn4: what happens when you try to mount it? |
| 05:31.27 | dn4 | stew, I do not know how to do that |
| 05:31.34 | tarzeau | liable: but this time i take my little digital cam with me. and hopefully make some short video clips :) |
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| 05:32.12 | stew | dn4: mount -o loop /path/to/.img /mountpoint |
| 05:32.55 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.55 | dn4 | ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 05:32.55 | dn4 | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 05:33.10 | tarzeau | dn4: did you do this? 06:30 < tarzeau> dn4: mv generic-pc-1.3a1.img generic-pc-1.3a1.img.gz |
| 05:33.12 | samad | so i got some more questions for you guys |
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| 05:33.19 | kevix | dn4: you may need -o loop |
| 05:33.25 | tarzeau | dn4: i wonder why i told you the command to copy paste into your shell if you don't even listen |
| 05:33.32 | kevix | samad: well... |
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| 05:33.38 | tarzeau | kevix: he may need a large hammer fall on his head |
| 05:33.41 | tarzeau | or penis |
| 05:33.53 | kevix | tarzeau: oh!!!!! |
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| 05:34.01 | samad | i can't play video files with Kaboodle and Noatun. the audio in the videos comes out as pure static. however I can play mp3s just fine with JuK. |
| 05:34.29 | kevix | samad: maybe its the video. do you have others to try |
| 05:34.32 | tarzeau | samad: mp3 are audio files |
| 05:34.41 | tarzeau | samad: try mplayer or opencubicplayer or madplay |
| 05:34.50 | tarzeau | samad: also cynthiune.app |
| 05:35.01 | samad | kevix, i have other videos and i've played them in other OSes just fine |
| 05:35.07 | dn4 | tarzeau, crazy that mv command changed the filetype |
| 05:35.18 | tarzeau | dn4: no the gunzip did |
| 05:35.30 | tarzeau | dn4: what does file say now? |
| 05:35.43 | tarzeau | because we still don't know for sure |
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| 05:35.48 | tarzeau | it's like a bomb in a packet |
| 05:35.54 | dn4 | generic-pc-1.3a1.iso: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x3c, reserved sectors 0, Media descriptor 0x0, reserved 0x16, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x1f), BSD disklabel |
| 05:36.02 | tarzeau | dn4: hahaha |
| 05:36.08 | tarzeau | dn4: and what do you want to do with that? |
| 05:36.11 | liable | is that a bomb in your packet? |
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| 05:36.28 | dn4 | tarzeau, I think the next step is to burn the .iso file |
| 05:36.34 | tarzeau | dn4: it's not an iso file |
| 05:36.36 | samad | these aren't mp3s, these are video files like avis and mpgs |
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| 05:36.50 | lusnao | sorry folks, clicked the wrong earlier on and got terminatedfr the channel. a couple of q's more on wlan. |
| 05:37.04 | dn4 | tarzeau, could I just burn the .img file to a cdrom and boot up off of that .img file? |
| 05:37.17 | lusnao | if i am using WEP, can i hide it from the outside world? |
| 05:37.22 | deadcat | lusnao: #wireless |
| 05:37.24 | kevix | lusnao: no. |
| 05:37.27 | tarzeau | dn4: you can try, it might fail |
| 05:37.32 | liable | lusnao: forget wep, use wpa. |
| 05:37.33 | samad | there is something wrong with the way my computer is configured if a) the video part shows up fine, b) i can play audio-only mp3s |
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| 05:37.38 | tarzeau | dn4: i think it could also be dd'd right directly onto a harddisk |
| 05:37.47 | tarzeau | dn4: but someone might mess that up as well |
| 05:37.51 | dn4 | dd'd? |
| 05:37.52 | tarzeau | dn4: can you make partitions? |
| 05:38.02 | lusnao | deadcat: i know about #wireless, it is in deep sleep. |
| 05:38.02 | tarzeau | dn4: dd if=the.img of=/dev/hda18 |
| 05:38.07 | deadcat | lusnao: if you're not a company. who give a fuck if you use wep or wpa, aint nobody want your crap-ass dsl line |
| 05:38.41 | liable | deadcat: sure your neighbour doesnt want to download kiddie porn on your dsl line? |
| 05:38.42 | lusnao | liable: there is a tutorial that shows how to crack both wep and wpa. |
| 05:38.47 | zebalin7 | With the new additions to etch today it looks as if the new udev conficts with the new hal? Does that sound right? |
| 05:39.11 | liable | lusnao: yes, but if you pick a good passphrase, then it wont work.. |
| 05:39.13 | dn4 | tarzeau, that partition is not available, sould I use an existing one? |
| 05:39.19 | deadcat | lusnao: why are you so lame to crack wireless connection? most are open... |
| 05:39.47 | jetscreamer | ok what is it about fresh installs that grub does NOT like, when the fresh install is on a different partition on a different |
| 05:39.56 | liable | lusnao: anyway, this isnt a wireless security channel |
| 05:40.00 | jetscreamer | jfs or ext3 doesn't matter |
| 05:40.12 | lusnao | deadcat: i am trying to prevent my wlan from being cracked. |
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| 05:40.29 | deadcat | lusnao: like i said. no one want your crap-ass dsl connection. |
| 05:40.30 | lusnao | liable: i like this channel, it is so alive. |
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| 05:40.44 | liable | lusnao: anyway, this isnt a wireless security channel |
| 05:41.02 | lusnao | liable: even deadcat is alive! |
| 05:41.09 | lusnao | haha |
| 05:41.34 | jetscreamer | in this particular instance, i have 2 jfs partitions, on different hd's. grub will only read one. i can read both from here fine. |
| 05:41.36 | deadcat | no one's laughing |
| 05:41.40 | lusnao | deadcat: they can surf the web for free with my wlan. |
| 05:42.05 | jetscreamer | !pal deadcat |
| 05:42.11 | deadcat | lusnao: like i said many times. nobody will waste their time just to use your shit-ass slow dsl line. 50% are open networks |
| 05:42.28 | jetscreamer | deadcat: you drunk or what |
| 05:42.40 | amphi | lusnao: what's the problem with that? |
| 05:42.43 | deadcat | no. are you? |
| 05:42.55 | lusnao | amphi: it will slow me down. |
| 05:42.59 | jetscreamer | no but if i was i'd already be telling you what i think |
| 05:43.33 | tarzeau | dn4: good i put a random unexisting number |
| 05:43.41 | tarzeau | dn4: or you might have fucked up your system |
| 05:43.54 | tarzeau | dn4: DO NOT EVER blindly copy paste commands from here |
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| 05:44.28 | tarzeau | dn4: dude, can you do cfdisk /dev/hda and check if you have 20mb free space? |
| 05:44.33 | tarzeau | like unpartitioned? |
| 05:44.45 | tarzeau | if so you're lucky, create one of 20mb, and dd your .img shit on it |
| 05:44.54 | tarzeau | but man, if it's monowall, it's not worth all the trouble |
| 05:45.03 | tarzeau | dn4: what's your browser called btw? |
| 05:45.10 | tarzeau | you should file a bug report on it |
| 05:46.04 | lusnao | deadcat: what do you mean by open networks? u mean there are networks that allow anybody to use it for free? |
| 05:46.14 | kevix | I didn't know gravity sleep! |
| 05:46.18 | dn4 | tarzeau, mozilla-firefox |
| 05:46.24 | liable | ohnos |
| 05:46.26 | kevix | lusnao: I'm on one now! |
| 05:46.27 | dn4 | tarzeau, it is all pratitioned |
| 05:46.28 | tarzeau | dn4: i knew it! |
| 05:46.28 | deadcat | lusnao: are you new to wireless? |
| 05:46.37 | tarzeau | dn4: do you know qtparted? |
| 05:46.37 | dn4 | tarzeau, what else do you recommened? |
| 05:46.40 | lusnao | deadcat: yeh. |
| 05:46.44 | dn4 | tarzeau, nope |
| 05:46.47 | tarzeau | dn4: install that |
| 05:46.49 | deadcat | and already want to crack networks? god thats so lame |
| 05:47.01 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 05:47.02 | tarzeau | liable: i'll leave the rest of the fun up to you, it's weekend after all |
| 05:47.04 | kevix | lusnao: google for 'nodedb' |
| 05:47.10 | liable | deadcat: he want to STOP people cracking his.. |
| 05:47.17 | deadcat | liable: you believe him? |
| 05:47.19 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 05:47.19 | tarzeau | deadcat: hehe send'em to #nethack, they'll have fun with those |
| 05:47.22 | liable | tarzeau: gee thanks! |
| 05:47.36 | deadcat | liable: people like him make the internet crappy. |
| 05:47.39 | jetscreamer | lusnao: don't use wep |
| 05:47.42 | dn4 | tarzeau, why what is good about qtparted? |
| 05:47.45 | jetscreamer | use radius or something |
| 05:47.46 | owner | nethack lol |
| 05:47.56 | tarzeau | dn4: it can change partition sizes of some filesystem types |
| 05:48.08 | owner | so many people have open wireless networks anyways |
| 05:48.12 | owner | no need to crack |
| 05:48.12 | liable | not ext3 unless you remove the journal |
| 05:48.14 | kevix | its falconseye or nothing! |
| 05:48.25 | tarzeau | owner: you don't know what nethack is, do you? |
| 05:48.30 | owner | i do |
| 05:48.30 | jetscreamer | there are none within my range here, all locked down |
| 05:48.31 | kevix | owner: I'm on one now. google for 'nodedb' |
| 05:48.32 | owner | its a game |
| 05:48.47 | tarzeau | owner: we don't have an open wireless networks here where i live |
| 05:48.47 | liable | even my little town, most are restricted. |
| 05:48.49 | jetscreamer | there is only id |
| 05:48.56 | kevix | jetscreamer: nyc has 25,000 open AP's! |
| 05:49.11 | jetscreamer | i'm a little south of that |
| 05:49.13 | tarzeau | owner: if there was, i'd save the $50/month for beverages |
| 05:49.19 | cyzie | anyone try this before? <laptop> -- - - - - <wireless access point>----------------<debian> where debian allocated IP address (DHCP) to laptop based on MAC address in laptop ? the wireless access point merely function as middle man from wire medium to wireless medium |
| 05:49.20 | liable | hah |
| 05:49.31 | jetscreamer | but hey i did read an article about making an old sat. dish into a wireless directional antenna |
| 05:49.36 | jetscreamer | big range |
| 05:49.37 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:49.45 | jetscreamer | 8 miles? i forget |
| 05:49.45 | dn4 | tarzeau, installing now |
| 05:50.04 | tarzeau | dn4: i've managed to screw up ntfs filesystems of other people using it :) |
| 05:50.10 | tarzeau | dn4: i had fun doing so |
| 05:50.16 | lusnao | i am trying to make sure to a home wlan can be properly secured. in my case, the hackers could slow me down, could send banned materials which will be traced to me. |
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| 05:50.36 | liable | lusnao: so use wpa for the tenth time! |
| 05:50.37 | jetscreamer | dn4: you have that nightly backup anyway |
| 05:50.43 | kevix | lusnao: setup a firewall |
| 05:50.44 | jetscreamer | that you 'always' make |
| 05:50.44 | liable | haha |
| 05:50.51 | amphi | lusnao: you live in fear... |
| 05:50.54 | dn4 | jetscreamer, nightly back up? |
| 05:51.07 | owner | lusnao, just use a network key |
| 05:51.13 | jetscreamer | yeah your 'just in case' backup that you personally scheduled |
| 05:51.13 | owner | in your router |
| 05:51.20 | jetscreamer | you know... |
| 05:51.31 | deadcat | lusnao: if you cant get wpa to work too bad, stick with crap ass wep and stop whinning like a little bitch |
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| 05:51.41 | jetscreamer | gd |
| 05:51.45 | dn4 | jetscreamer, yeah the just in case back up is called reinstalling with a cd again |
| 05:51.49 | xevix | does someone know how to disable appletalk from starting at boot? it's a waste of time |
| 05:51.50 | lusnao | amphi: it is justified. my is a limited vol subscription. if it is exceeded, my will have to pay highly for it. |
| 05:51.59 | dn4 | tarzeau, ok sweet qtparted is up |
| 05:52.04 | jetscreamer | dn4: is this windows? http://ubcd4win.com/ |
| 05:52.13 | jetscreamer | good for ntfs problems |
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| 05:52.30 | amphi | lusnao: I see |
| 05:52.59 | jetscreamer | well livedog isn't even close to a mwilson |
| 05:53.27 | pipeline | mwilson: a legend in his own day. |
| 05:53.34 | jetscreamer | i liked him |
| 05:53.47 | jetscreamer | fun to not let be able to lart you |
| 05:53.59 | kevix | jetscreamer: he was banned? |
| 05:54.00 | lusnao | deadcat: u stinking, rotten carcass. why don't you just be dead? i thougt of saying F.U. but that would be f... a dead cat. |
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| 05:54.08 | liable | kevix: yes |
| 05:54.12 | jetscreamer | no idea, i was banned before he left :) |
| 05:54.18 | jetscreamer | but that's another story |
| 05:54.35 | deadcat | why do they always want the last word and exit? wankers! |
| 05:54.37 | jetscreamer | for like 20 minutes or so i was banned |
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| 05:55.17 | jetscreamer | but i didn't come back for a while |
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| 05:56.08 | dn4 | hahah 1 gig of swap memory |
| 05:56.09 | dn4 | crazy |
| 05:56.19 | jetscreamer | i have 3 |
| 05:56.25 | amphi | dn4: I have 2GB |
| 05:56.34 | jetscreamer | but modeling can use it, and mapping |
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| 05:58.41 | jetscreamer | what is it about fresh installs that grub does NOT like, when the fresh install is on a different partition. in this particular instance, i have 2 jfs partitions, on different hd's. grub will only read one. i can read both from here fine. i've also seen this with 2 ext3's. |
| 05:58.49 | N0S3 | amphi: i have 64mb >:o |
| 05:59.12 | amphi | N0S3: heh |
| 06:00.06 | N0S3 | amphi: :-D |
| 06:00.32 | dn4 | ccrap |
| 06:00.49 | dn4 | so I have to mount this .img file then copy the content and then turn that into a .iso file |
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| 06:01.03 | dn4 | is there a simple way to burn a .img file? |
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| 06:01.16 | eegore | what is the method to upload a file to an FTP server |
| 06:01.34 | jetscreamer | dd if=/dev/hdb of=image.iso |
| 06:01.35 | kevix | eegore: ftp ? |
| 06:01.36 | jetscreamer | put |
| 06:02.04 | jetscreamer | change hdb to whatever |
| 06:02.11 | jetscreamer | the command is put |
| 06:02.16 | jetscreamer | change to binary first |
| 06:02.18 | kevix | eegore: have you ever read 'man ftp'? |
| 06:02.22 | jetscreamer | i |
| 06:02.32 | jetscreamer | unless it's ascii |
| 06:02.46 | dn4 | my /home is /dev/hdd6 |
| 06:02.55 | eegore | yeah but I could not figure how to put local files when logged into the rem,ote server |
| 06:03.13 | kevix | eegore: put FILENAME |
| 06:03.18 | jetscreamer | cd to the dir before you start ftp... not sure how to move locally in the instance |
| 06:03.31 | jetscreamer | or supply full path maybe |
| 06:03.32 | kevix | jetscreamer: there is lcd |
| 06:03.33 | jetscreamer | man ftp |
| 06:03.59 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:04.03 | eegore | reading it and tried what is said |
| 06:04.05 | jetscreamer | i never manned ftp |
| 06:04.19 | jetscreamer | well when i could understand it i mean :) |
| 06:04.58 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.02 | dn4 | so what does this do? |
| 06:05.28 | kevix | jetscreamer: its a man page...x-) |
| 06:05.42 | jetscreamer | o :) |
| 06:05.46 | kevix | dn4: the wrong thing! |
| 06:05.51 | N0S3 | webmin-smart-----> need dependence of smartmontool ! in sarge |
| 06:06.05 | jetscreamer | that would be an entire partition |
| 06:06.09 | kevix | dn4: if is input file of is output file.... |
| 06:06.22 | jetscreamer | man dd |
| 06:06.30 | dn4 | what does dd do? |
| 06:06.53 | kevix | jetscreamer: dn4 needs to read alot....x-) |
| 06:06.54 | jetscreamer | makes a bit for bit copy |
| 06:07.09 | jetscreamer | you can info dd if you don't like man |
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| 06:07.43 | jetscreamer | that command would make a .iso from hdd6 partiton |
| 06:08.08 | jetscreamer | and the .iso would be as large as the entire partition, freespace and all |
| 06:08.22 | dn4 | good thing I stopped the command |
| 06:08.27 | dn4 | it kept running for a long time |
| 06:08.30 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:08.37 | jetscreamer | delete what it wrote |
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| 06:08.48 | jetscreamer | it did write |
| 06:08.57 | dn4 | so it wrote generic-pc-1.3a1.iso? |
| 06:09.01 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 06:09.12 | jetscreamer | but it's not all that big |
| 06:09.15 | N0S3 | webmin-smart-status dependence of smartmontool in sarge , please check it ;) |
| 06:09.36 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.46 | dn4 | would this make a file in that directory/?/. |
| 06:09.48 | peej | what is the smart way to install debian from knoppix? I have pxe on the box. Knoppix already there on a partition. Empty ext2 partitions. No cd. Fairly slow 256kbps connection. Will aim for icewm rather than kde gnome. |
| 06:10.13 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:10.22 | kevix | peej: debootstrap ? |
| 06:10.23 | ne0futur | N0S3: I use webmin on sarge what should I do to help ? |
| 06:10.50 | jetscreamer | it's probably just bork out but hey you can try... :/ |
| 06:10.57 | jetscreamer | as in don't |
| 06:11.01 | dn4 | jetscreamer, hmm what should I do to write the .img file to specific directory? |
| 06:11.03 | jetscreamer | will that be man, or info |
| 06:11.06 | ne0futur | (and I use shorewall too lol just for the troll ) |
| 06:11.17 | jetscreamer | mount the .iso and cp? |
| 06:11.26 | peej | kevix, so as far as you are aware, the installation manual method is optimal? |
| 06:11.31 | N0S3 | ne0futur: ok, I have seen that the package webmin-smart needs smartmontool dependence |
| 06:11.37 | dn4 | well there is currently no .iso file from what I found through all my searching |
| 06:11.43 | kevix | jetscreamer: you can lead a newbie to man, but you cant make him read x-) |
| 06:11.44 | ne0futur | -smart |
| 06:11.51 | ne0futur | so this dependency seem ok no ? |
| 06:12.00 | kevix | peej: its just one way... |
| 06:12.18 | jetscreamer | N0S3: smartmontools would be what webmin would need to use to give you info |
| 06:12.18 | ne0futur | E: Couldn't find package webmin-smart |
| 06:12.19 | jetscreamer | but |
| 06:12.22 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 06:12.22 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 06:12.28 | ne0futur | you added sources ? |
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| 06:12.55 | dn4 | I read the man for dd |
| 06:13.03 | dn4 | I do not understand their example |
| 06:13.04 | peej | kevix, heh. I was hoping knoppix had a magic command already to make a pure debian system. It is not there yet, but coming up in the next few months, I think |
| 06:13.10 | jetscreamer | dn4 i wasn't really watching.. what are you doing |
| 06:13.15 | jetscreamer | trying to do |
| 06:13.33 | dn4 | take a .img file and convert this to a .iso so I can burn the file to a cdrom |
| 06:13.46 | kevix | peej: knoppix has differnt goals. Klaus said he wants to do this? |
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| 06:14.30 | jetscreamer | dn4 i've been able to just burn a .img, and also not been able to, depended. also, i've seen a couple converter programs or something... have you tried k3b? |
| 06:14.40 | liable | !deb takeover |
| 06:14.42 | jetscreamer | to just try and burn it? |
| 06:14.43 | kevix | jetscreamer: he is working with a monowall image but doesnt seem to want to use the website to get help... |
| 06:14.46 | liable | !debtakeover |
| 06:14.47 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 06:14.47 | jetscreamer | one word liable |
| 06:14.50 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:14.51 | N0S3 | ne0futur: webmin-smart-status |
| 06:15.03 | dn4 | jetscreamer, yes |
| 06:15.25 | ne0futur | didnt asked me any dependency |
| 06:15.26 | peej | kevis : yup. He really likes debian. It would not be a replacement for the current debian installer, which does more than only x86. |
| 06:15.57 | dn4 | I am going to try this program called kiso |
| 06:16.01 | dn4 | It might work |
| 06:16.05 | ne0futur | waht is the command to see the list of all packages installed |
| 06:16.15 | ne0futur | and grep on keyword |
| 06:16.26 | liable | ne0futur: dpkg -l |grep foo |
| 06:16.28 | kevix | ne0futur: one is 'dpkg --get-selections' |
| 06:17.27 | peej | kevis: I liked knoppix cos I could get it going with point and drool over pxe into this box, and install to hard drive. I think debootstrap will be the way from here now. |
| 06:17.36 | ne0futur | N0S3: i dont have smartmontool installed and apt-get install webmin-smart-status didnt asked for it |
| 06:18.07 | kevix | peej: live cd's rule! |
| 06:18.30 | dn4 | jetscreamer, how does k3b convert? |
| 06:18.53 | ne0futur | liable: kevix thanks |
| 06:18.54 | kevix | dn4: k3b is a frontend for console tools. |
| 06:18.59 | peej | kevis: actually, to be more accurate, Klaus said IIRC he was planning /aiming for it. Didnt say he would *do* it. |
| 06:19.02 | ne0futur | dpkg -l is perfect |
| 06:19.02 | dpkg | ii is perfect 1.6-13.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:19.14 | kevix | peej: cool. |
| 06:19.23 | N0S3 | ne0futur: ok, now you go to your webmin, and tries to use the tool |
| 06:19.26 | liable | hehe |
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| 06:19.34 | dn4 | ok this sucks, I am going to just reinstall my system |
| 06:19.45 | kevix | peej: any word on linuxtag still going ahead? |
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| 06:19.51 | ne0futur | N0S3: ok so you say is _should_ have the dependency ? |
| 06:19.59 | ne0futur | if yes I agree with you ;) |
| 06:20.07 | NewBie1 | hello |
| 06:20.21 | NewBie1 | can anybody help me? |
| 06:20.30 | ne0futur | dont ask to ask just ask |
| 06:20.36 | kevix | NewBie1: only with computer things x-) |
| 06:20.38 | ne0futur | 768 people here |
| 06:20.40 | NewBie1 | jeje |
| 06:20.40 | NewBie1 | ok |
| 06:20.44 | NewBie1 | i am trying to install aMule |
| 06:20.45 | ne0futur | someone should be able to help lol |
| 06:20.49 | peej | kevis: no idea. I think Klaus is going to be at cebit for a talk later. He is a good talker.. |
| 06:20.55 | NewBie1 | and this is the first day with linux for me |
| 06:21.01 | NewBie1 | and i am a bit lost |
| 06:21.03 | kevix | NewBie1: apt-get install amule |
| 06:21.10 | NewBie1 | well |
| 06:21.17 | NewBie1 | ive done tha |
| 06:21.20 | NewBie1 | t |
| 06:21.30 | NewBie1 | but it says that ia am missing packages |
| 06:21.40 | ne0futur | do you have a firewall between you and the p2p hell ? |
| 06:21.42 | liable | !enter |
| 06:21.42 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 06:21.50 | deadcat | NewBie1: calm the f down |
| 06:21.50 | ne0futur | oups |
| 06:22.14 | NewBie1 | f? |
| 06:22.18 | deadcat | fuck |
| 06:22.32 | kevix | NewBie1: are you using stable, testing, unstable or mixed? |
| 06:22.46 | ne0futur | and which package missing ? |
| 06:22.57 | NewBie1 | i downloaded it from www.amule.com :s |
| 06:23.07 | kevix | NewBie1: why? |
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| 06:23.32 | NewBie1 | because i had no idea where to download it |
| 06:23.49 | kevix | NewBie1: with debian, you use apt-get.. |
| 06:23.53 | liable | !reference |
| 06:23.53 | dpkg | i guess reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 06:24.00 | liable | NewBie1: ^^ read that. |
| 06:24.08 | kevix | NewBie1: you are using debian... |
| 06:24.18 | NewBie1 | nop |
| 06:24.20 | deadcat | kevix: bet hes on ubuntu |
| 06:24.24 | NewBie1 | ubuntu |
| 06:24.28 | liable | ... |
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| 06:24.41 | kevix | NewBie1: what did you come to #debian? |
| 06:24.44 | deadcat | i was gonna say that when you guys what what flavor hes using |
| 06:24.56 | NewBie1 | i was told it was similar |
| 06:24.57 | manparaneh | how does apt-get manage to install emacs? |
| 06:25.05 | deadcat | manparaneh: it didnt. |
| 06:25.13 | amphi | !ubuntusmite NewBie1 |
| 06:25.15 | kevix | NewBie1: even so... you still use apt-get.. |
| 06:25.20 | deadcat | NewBie1: whoever told you is a moron |
| 06:25.28 | manparaneh | deadcat: what? |
| 06:25.35 | ne0futur | manparaneh: apt-get installs emacs I dont understand your question ;( |
| 06:25.45 | deadcat | manparaneh: apt-get doesnt just install emacs. you did in some way |
| 06:26.05 | manparaneh | ne0futur: Package emacs is not available, but is referred to by another package |
| 06:26.16 | NewBie1 | basic chineese |
| 06:26.17 | kevix | deadcat: emacs install you! you dont install it! |
| 06:26.22 | ne0futur | !ubuntusmite NewBie1 |
| 06:26.24 | ne0futur | arf |
| 06:26.28 | manparaneh | deadcat: Package emacs is not available, but is referred to by another package |
| 06:26.51 | deadcat | manparaneh: emacs21 |
| 06:26.54 | kevix | manparaneh: you have @#$ up /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:26.59 | ne0futur | vi installs emacs then emacs installs you |
| 06:27.42 | manparaneh | deadcat: thank you |
| 06:28.18 | manparaneh | deadcat: I'm not familiar to debian's package name schema |
| 06:28.46 | deadcat | manparaneh: apt-cache search --names-only packagenameyouthinkitsright |
| 06:28.47 | \amethyst | hmm. |
| 06:29.04 | \amethyst | hyperlatex is the only package I can find in unstable that depends on emacs |
| 06:29.10 | kevix | manparaneh: do you know what stable, testing , unstable are? |
| 06:29.34 | \amethyst | and it's emacs | emacsen |
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| 06:30.11 | requalix | -.- |
| 06:30.11 | quik_ | hey folks |
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| 06:30.14 | requalix | -.O |
| 06:30.21 | requalix | O.O |
| 06:30.39 | manparaneh | kevix: yeah! those things I already understood |
| 06:30.42 | \amethyst | What is the sound of one eye opening, then another, Alex? |
| 06:30.45 | Megaf | '0o |
| 06:31.02 | kevix | manparaneh: which one is listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:31.18 | EdLin | I've got a shotgun, and I'm not afraid to use it against neo-smiley addicts! |
| 06:31.22 | quik_ | whats the command to configure my display? |
| 06:31.31 | manparaneh | kevix: testing main non-free contrib |
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| 06:31.46 | liable | !drxx quik_ |
| 06:31.47 | dpkg | quik_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:31.47 | manparaneh | kevix: but now it's installing well |
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| 06:32.26 | kevix | manparaneh: so what happened ? apt-get update? |
| 06:32.29 | manparaneh | kevix: I was trying to install emacs instead of emacs21 |
| 06:32.46 | \amethyst | xemacs is better</flame> |
| 06:32.54 | kevix | manparaneh: its wise to do 'apt-cache search' first |
| 06:33.09 | manparaneh | kevix: ok, thanks |
| 06:34.21 | Megaf | Bye all |
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| 06:36.22 | zebalin7 | what is the bot command to find why a package is not in etch (kopete)? |
| 06:36.39 | deadcat | none |
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| 06:36.52 | liable | !why is kopete not in testing |
| 06:36.53 | dpkg | kopete is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kopete |
| 06:37.10 | deadcat | SOB |
| 06:37.28 | zebalin7 | liable: thanks. I tried "tell me why" and the bot said "no I won't" . |
| 06:37.36 | liable | haha |
| 06:37.48 | siimo | anyonek now how to make abiword spellcheck work under debian |
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| 06:50.06 | Kerosene | is there a way to find what version of a package you are currently running using apt for example? |
| 06:50.16 | deadcat | how do i make firefox open .sh files instead of it askin for external app? |
| 06:50.29 | kevix | Kerosene: dpkg -l PKGNAME |
| 06:50.41 | Kerosene | thank you so much |
| 06:50.54 | Kvantil | Kerosene, or "apt-cache policy PKGNAME" |
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| 06:51.59 | kevix | Kerosene: as Kvantil says, that will show what versions are available and what you are currently using |
| 06:52.15 | octoberdan | I have a bunch of broken packages as a result of using backports, is there a way to roll everything back at once? |
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| 06:52.29 | iank | Hey folks. Running unstable. Had to downgrade nvidia-glx recently, which conflicts with my current version of xserver-xorg. Now, I don't want to downgrade anything else... so I forced it. It works great. Problem is, when I go to install anything else, aptitude complains, and tries to find a solution for it (none of which are happy) |
| 06:52.32 | kevix | octoberdan: apt-get remove ? |
| 06:52.39 | iank | How do I tell it 'no really this is good'? |
| 06:53.08 | Jecky | There is Java 1.5.* for Debian in debian format *.deb? |
| 06:53.11 | octoberdan | kevix: apt-get remove? erhm... |
| 06:53.16 | kevix | iank: use the command like interface.... |
| 06:53.20 | octoberdan | kevix: not really. |
| 06:53.34 | iank | kevix: ... 'aptitude install <blah>' is command line =P |
| 06:53.34 | octoberdan | kevix: There's a bunch of stuff I can't remove |
| 06:53.40 | Jecky | or I must compile it? |
| 06:53.55 | octoberdan | kevix: which is part of the problem :( |
| 06:53.55 | kevix | iank: yea. vs. using the console gui. |
| 06:53.56 | sparr | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python-twisted-conch_1%3a0.6.0-2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/cftp.1.gz', which is also in package cftp |
| 06:53.56 | dpkg | sparr: I think you lost me on that one |
| 06:54.00 | sparr | wtf? |
| 06:54.04 | iank | kevix: I don't use the console gui. |
| 06:54.06 | sparr | why the hell would that package include that file? |
| 06:54.17 | iank | kevix: I hate it with a passion. |
| 06:54.44 | Jecky | There is Java 1.5.* for Debian in debian format *.deb? I cannot find in stable? |
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| 06:55.01 | kevix | Jecky: google for backports? |
| 06:55.08 | sparr | i dont know enough about packaging to be confident filing a bug report about that. can anyone else here (not) verify the problem? |
| 06:55.34 | kevix | sparr: if you are using non-debian packages then not a debian bug. |
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| 06:56.19 | Kvantil | kevix, you can find it on http://ftp.de.debian-unofficial.org |
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| 06:56.44 | kevix | Kvantil: you mean java backports? |
| 06:57.00 | Kvantil | java 1.5, yes |
| 06:57.06 | sparr | kevix: what would make you think i am? |
| 06:57.14 | kevix | Kvantil: good to know.tkx |
| 06:57.26 | dn4 | If I do this to an external HDD should it be formated or still have an OS on it? gunzip -c generic-pc-xxx.img | dd of=/dev/hdX bs=16k |
| 06:57.42 | liable | iank: dpkg has those tools.. |
| 06:57.50 | kevix | sparr: that kind of error is common if you mix debian and non-debian packages. |
| 06:58.13 | kevix | iank: its called --force |
| 06:58.15 | liable | dn4: nothing is you want to be able to boot from it |
| 06:58.21 | iank | liable: what, tools to get it to stop complaining about conflict with xserver-xorg and nvidia-glx |
| 06:58.39 | sparr | kevix: plausible. i do use unofficial packages, but the two in question here are debian packages |
| 06:58.50 | iank | kevix: yes, I know what --force is. But that's not quite my problem. nvidia-glx is downgraded nicely, I just have to tell it to shut the hell up about it ;] |
| 06:58.55 | kevix | iank: dpkg --force-overwrite |
| 06:59.02 | dn4 | liable, so I should erase the entire hdd then do that command? |
| 06:59.19 | liable | dn4: just a little partition will do. |
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| 06:59.49 | liable | dn4: where exactly did you get this image? |
| 07:00.11 | iank | kevix: I apologize for asking a noob question, but how am I expected to use --foce-overwrite? The manual implies I'm to use it for configuration files... |
| 07:00.15 | kevix | liable: he says its a monowall image, so I guess the monowall site. |
| 07:00.30 | hemal | what can i use on debian etch to burn DVD? |
| 07:00.30 | iank | m0n0wall image, just write to the disk. |
| 07:00.34 | dn4 | liable, http://m0n0.ch/wall/download.php?file=generic-pc-1.3a1.img |
| 07:00.38 | iank | Assuming you don't want to preserve data ;] |
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| 07:00.51 | iank | Don't bother about partitions. |
| 07:00.53 | kevix | iank: huh? |
| 07:00.55 | dany | hi i have a small problem with an network card i just installed it configured my /etc/network/interfaces module loaded.... but i have a Lien encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-10-DC-00-32-F3-29-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 any idear?? |
| 07:01.15 | hemal | k3b is not available? i am very new and don't know much but previously i booted knoppix and burn debian images using k3b |
| 07:01.38 | iank | kevix: 01:58 < kevix> iank: dpkg --force-overwrite |
| 07:01.49 | liable | dn4: why havent you done as others have mentioned, and use wget to get the .iso? |
| 07:01.51 | iank | kevix: how am I expected to use that to solve this conflict? |
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| 07:01.55 | kevix | hemal: do you have X windows, kde installed ? |
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| 07:02.01 | iank | kevix: (or rather, to tell dpkg that 'no, it isnt really a conflict. It works just fine') |
| 07:02.14 | kevix | iank: it will allow the files to be overwritten. |
| 07:02.21 | hemal | kevix: yes i have kde |
| 07:02.34 | kevix | hemal: so 'apt-get install k3b' |
| 07:02.54 | iank | kevix: what are you talking about? The package is downgraded fine. Its when I go to install *other* stuff, that it complains about the (completely unrelated) downgrade that I forced earlier. |
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| 07:03.02 | hemal | kevix: my sources.list only point to the two ISO images mounted on one of the harddisks |
| 07:03.08 | dn4 | liable, there is no .iso |
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| 07:03.17 | dn4 | liable, they only have a .img file :( |
| 07:03.27 | liable | dn4: wget m0n0.ch/wall/download.php?get=cdrom-1.21.iso&mirror=5 |
| 07:03.28 | dn4 | that cannot be converted to a .iso file it seems |
| 07:03.32 | kevix | iank: which is why you use --force-overwrite to proceed with the install. |
| 07:03.36 | freeone3000 | Why would you need to? |
| 07:03.39 | freeone3000 | Just... burn it. |
| 07:03.45 | hemal | kevix: : Package k3b has no installation candidate |
| 07:03.55 | dn4 | liable, I am getting 1.3a1, not 1.21 |
| 07:03.57 | kevix | hemal: ok. so you dont have net access on that machine yet. |
| 07:03.58 | iank | kevix: and do I have to download the package, and use dpkg --force-overwrite every time I want to install something? |
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| 07:04.06 | hemal | i do have net access :-) |
| 07:04.18 | hemal | just don't know how to get apt-get to look elsewhere |
| 07:04.20 | iank | kevix: (As anything I try to install makes apt puke about nvidia, atm) |
| 07:04.33 | kevix | iank:no. only when you do these odd things like downgrade. |
| 07:04.43 | hemal | kevix: but i am surprised the two DVDs don't have k3b? |
| 07:04.52 | iank | kevix: it is *already* downgraded. That is *not* my problem. |
| 07:05.06 | iank | kevix: Downgrade done. Finished. Several days ago. No longer caring about downgrade. |
| 07:05.37 | hemal | kevix: i downloaded k3b_0.12.10-2_i386.deb yesterday but if i just do dpkg -i i get errors |
| 07:05.42 | kevix | iank: you have something apt does not like left. |
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| 07:06.16 | kevix | hemal: the alternative is to use cdrecord or similar if you have it installed. |
| 07:06.21 | iank | kevix: yup. I have two packages installed, which conflict with each other (although they work fine together). |
| 07:06.45 | hemal | kevix: thanks for the suggestion. but cdrecord is not GUI is it? |
| 07:06.49 | iank | kevix: how am I supposed to use --force-overwrite to tell apt "No really, it's ok"? |
| 07:06.56 | Jecky | No there is no package java 1.5.* for Debian. May somebody find it? |
| 07:07.04 | kevix | hemal: uh.. no. but if its what you got... |
| 07:07.25 | liable | dn4: wget m0n0.ch/wall/download.php?get=cdrom1.3a1.iso&mirror=4 |
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| 07:07.33 | hemal | kevix: i should be fine with command line, there must be a tutorial somewhere how to use it right? |
| 07:08.08 | hemal | kevix: cdrecord -help mentions tracks but i have data to burn |
| 07:08.23 | kevix | hemal: first see if you can get anything from the man page,then ask here for clarification. |
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| 07:08.47 | hemal | kevix:ok thanks |
| 07:08.56 | netgod | hemal: use mkisofs, then cdrecord the iso |
| 07:09.04 | hemal | kevix: can you also point me to where i should look so apt-get can download from net? |
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| 07:09.27 | hemal | netgod: thanks, i'll lookup mkisofs as well |
| 07:09.39 | abli | Hi! I lost /var/lib/dpkg/updates/ and after making an empty directory with that name, now apt complains that "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `x-window-system-core' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed." How could I recreate that dir (and its contents)? |
| 07:10.31 | hemal | about apt-get my question is: i have etch, which is testing right? now if k3b is only available in unstable, can i add that like to sources.list as well? |
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| 07:10.56 | kevix | hemal: yes. then apt-get update |
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| 07:11.40 | hemal | kevix: no, i don't want to update entire system to unstable, can i have just some packages from unstable? |
| 07:11.43 | absurdhero | does anyone here know anything about cross-toolchain? |
| 07:12.14 | dn4 | liable, it downloads html/text |
| 07:12.26 | hemal | kevix: i am sorry, update is just to update index files. |
| 07:12.59 | hemal | ok, thanks kevix and netgod i'll look up mkisofs, cdrecord and also see how i can update my apt-get |
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| 07:13.03 | hemal | good bye |
| 07:13.10 | kevix | hemal: do this: wget http://kmark.home.pipeline.com/resources/burnit.sh |
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| 07:14.46 | liable | dn4: hrm, sec |
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| 07:15.01 | absurdhero | when I try to create a debian package from the gcc toolchain source, I get a mysterious error about debian/movelist missing |
| 07:15.08 | absurdhero | any ideas? |
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| 07:15.23 | dn4 | liable, don't worry about it thank youf or your help |
| 07:15.35 | kevix | absurdhero: visit the debian-mentors sight |
| 07:18.57 | absurdhero | which debian-mentors site are you refering to? |
| 07:19.01 | absurdhero | I see a package list, and a mailing list |
| 07:19.03 | liable | dn4: yeah, your fucked, there soesnt seem to be an iso for that version. |
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| 07:19.20 | dn4 | yeah |
| 07:19.28 | kevix | absurdhero: google it. there is only one. |
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| 07:20.36 | absurdhero | um, no there are actually zero |
| 07:20.52 | absurdhero | there is a debian-mentors mailing list but that doesn't help much |
| 07:20.57 | persona | hai......leh kenal? |
| 07:21.04 | absurdhero | there is some guys personal page |
| 07:21.07 | absurdhero | and there is the repository |
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| 07:21.33 | jmg | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.33 | kevix | absurdhero: that is where such question are asked. its to help folks make packages. |
| 07:21.47 | jair | jelly, hey how are you doing? |
| 07:22.01 | jair | jelly, I am so sorry I have been super super busy. |
| 07:22.18 | jair | jelly, in what are you working now? |
| 07:22.42 | liable | is it just me, or is jair talking to himself? |
| 07:22.49 | zebalin7 | after a kernel upgrade in etch (from 2.6-12 to 2.6.15) why do we have to run alsaconf to get the sound back? |
| 07:22.50 | jair | haha |
| 07:23.05 | jair | liable, do you understand very well how rsync works? |
| 07:23.24 | liable | jair: the basics. the man page has examples. |
| 07:23.47 | jair | liable, I see |
| 07:24.12 | IEEE1003 | any1 know how to connect ADSL modem to a linux pc and get it running? |
| 07:24.34 | liable | IEEE1003: ppoeconf? |
| 07:24.51 | IEEE1003 | want to do it from cgi |
| 07:25.04 | IEEE1003 | want to do it from bash |
| 07:25.08 | jmg | telnet |
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| 07:25.50 | IEEE1003 | thx |
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| 07:26.33 | persona | iiiiiiiiiiii |
| 07:27.08 | IEEE1003 | why did you say that? |
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| 07:27.51 | icebit | hi all |
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| 07:28.43 | IEEE1003 | any1 here??? |
| 07:28.47 | IEEE1003 | ... |
| 07:28.50 | IEEE1003 | ... |
| 07:28.56 | ft | IEEE1003: stop it |
| 07:28.57 | IEEE1003 | ... |
| 07:28.58 | liable | stopit |
| 07:29.06 | IEEE1003 | sorry |
| 07:29.21 | icebit | xmms-1.2.10 |
| 07:29.28 | icebit | ./configure - ok |
| 07:29.57 | icebit | make - make[4]: *** [sm.o] ïÛÉÂËÁ 1 |
| 07:29.58 | icebit | make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xmms/new/xmms' |
| 07:29.58 | icebit | make[3]: *** [all-recursive] ïÛÉÂËÁ 1 |
| 07:29.58 | icebit | make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xmms/new/xmms' |
| 07:29.58 | icebit | make[2]: *** [all] ïÛÉÂËÁ 2 |
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| 07:30.09 | liable | idiot |
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| 07:30.30 | dn4 | I figured out what I need to do so that this .img file will work |
| 07:30.33 | IEEE1003 | whose the idiot? |
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| 07:31.17 | liable | !paster icebit |
| 07:31.17 | dpkg | icebit: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 07:31.41 | jetscreamer | what's that dn4 |
| 07:31.55 | liable | icebit: secondly, debian has binary packages for a reason, thirdly, it would help if its english |
| 07:31.57 | icebit | ok |
| 07:32.15 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xmms |
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| 07:32.27 | kevix | dn4: why are you banging you head against a wall? |
| 07:32.31 | dn4 | jetscreamer, I have to do this command |
| 07:32.36 | liable | a m0n0wall? |
| 07:32.37 | jetscreamer | he said he got it to work |
| 07:32.46 | icebit | I'm want install sources xmss |
| 07:32.47 | jetscreamer | which is a good reason to |
| 07:32.53 | dn4 | well first off the .img is ment for embedded systems |
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| 07:33.09 | dn4 | so it cannot be converted period! |
| 07:33.21 | dn4 | next I have to take a hard drive and embedded it |
| 07:33.22 | dn4 | gunzip -c generic-pc-xxx.img | dd of=/dev/hdX bs=16k |
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| 07:33.30 | icebit | who install xmms sources? |
| 07:33.35 | soapee01 | Just saw kde 3.5 is in etch now. Is it a good day to upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 07:33.49 | jetscreamer | probably not, remembering sid |
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| 07:33.58 | jetscreamer | give it a day is a good motto |
| 07:34.07 | jetscreamer | chck the bts |
| 07:34.28 | jetscreamer | !wtg dn4 |
| 07:34.28 | dpkg | Way to go, dn4! Smokin'! |
| 07:34.30 | liable | dn4: yes, if you read the install instructions you could have done this hours ago. |
| 07:34.54 | kevix | liable: my point exactly! |
| 07:35.28 | liable | haha |
| 07:35.38 | icebit | I want enable xmms russian patch and install xmms sources, who installed xmms sources in Debian? |
| 07:36.18 | liable | icebit: apt-get source xmmx? patch and compile? |
| 07:36.32 | icebit | error 1 |
| 07:36.33 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:37.32 | liable | no |
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| 07:37.51 | icebit | ./configure xmms ok |
| 07:37.52 | icebit | icebit make - error 1 |
| 07:37.52 | icebit | icebit make - make[4]: *** [sm.o] error1 |
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| 07:38.11 | dn4 | liable, ok i just embedded the hdx |
| 07:38.31 | liable | dn4: you did change x to the right one? |
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| 07:39.02 | dn4 | liable, yes, but it still shows up at a fat32 partition |
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| 07:39.27 | dn4 | /dev/hdc1 * 1 5169 39077608+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 07:40.40 | kevix | icebit: check this out:http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
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| 07:49.25 | nima | has the #debian population increased in number over the last couple days? |
| 07:49.57 | nima | or maybe its just the time |
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| 07:51.09 | _maydayjay_ | #opensuse |
| 07:51.15 | _maydayjay_ | #suse |
| 07:51.25 | _maydayjay_ | oops |
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| 07:53.36 | nima | there should be a rule against non-alphanumeric characters at the beginning of nicks |
| 07:53.48 | deadcat | yeep |
| 07:53.53 | TheBest | How i install "GNOME or KDE" ? |
| 07:54.09 | nima | apt-get install gnome or something like that |
| 07:54.10 | _joey | apt-get install kde |
| 07:54.20 | _joey | foget about gnome |
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| 07:54.34 | _joey | It doesn't exist |
| 07:54.41 | TheBest | then i need to config ? |
| 07:54.47 | nima | forget all of you, apt-get install ratpoison |
| 07:54.50 | TheBest | i use FC3 :) |
| 07:54.52 | Acid`X | lol |
| 07:55.01 | _joey | rapoison is the suck |
| 07:55.10 | TheBest | No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it. |
| 07:55.13 | _joey | ugly like hell |
| 07:55.20 | TheBest | i use FC3 ::) |
| 07:55.28 | deadcat | TheBest: we dont give a fuck |
| 07:55.36 | nima | _joey, it has nothing to be ugly :-) |
| 07:55.51 | _joey | precisely |
| 07:55.56 | _joey | which makes it ugly |
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| 07:56.08 | TheBest | deadcat me 2 |
| 07:56.11 | nima | hahaha, you crazy |
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| 07:56.20 | _joey | you are |
| 07:56.44 | TheBest | tebian users = 80% Guru`s :) |
| 07:57.01 | _joey | it's useless since modern computers are powerfull enough to run at least decent small wm |
| 07:57.08 | _joey | deskop envs are ideal |
| 07:57.35 | ft | _joey: that's a matter of taste... i can't stand neither gnome or kde... |
| 07:57.40 | _joey | TheBest nima is in the remaining 20% :) |
| 07:57.53 | TheBest | ok |
| 07:57.54 | _joey | ft lots of wm available |
| 07:58.00 | TheBest | so i must install KDE |
| 07:58.02 | TheBest | brb |
| 07:58.02 | ft | i know |
| 07:58.10 | SimonRaven | so? we don't care if we'd suck, you still have no business here. and it's 'debian' |
| 07:58.12 | _joey | ft ratpoisong is modelled after screen app..fscking useless |
| 07:58.17 | Acid`X | enlightment! |
| 07:58.31 | Coweater | _joey: don't talk about things you know nothing about |
| 07:58.43 | ft | _joey: gnu screen? useless? you're kidding, right? |
| 07:58.49 | TheBest | Install KDE 3.4 in Fedora Core 3 without Applications Crashing |
| 07:58.58 | _joey | ft not gnu screen, ratpoison is useless |
| 07:59.11 | SimonRaven | *WHO CARES* |
| 07:59.38 | deadcat | TheBest: we dont give a fuck about your fc3 and kde shit here. |
| 07:59.44 | deadcat | piss off |
| 08:00.05 | quik_ | How do I install a package using apt-get installing all the dependencies? |
| 08:00.14 | SimonRaven | freedom of speech also includes not speaking. or in this case, /ignore |
| 08:00.26 | freeone3000 | quik_: apt-get build-dep <package> && apt-get install <package> |
| 08:00.28 | SimonRaven | quik_: it already does that |
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| 08:00.48 | quik_ | SimonRaven: its erroring for dependencies |
| 08:00.53 | nima | quik_, apt-get install <packagename> |
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| 08:01.17 | SimonRaven | we get to devine what those errors are, right? |
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| 08:02.28 | nima | quik_, what are the errors |
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| 08:02.33 | dn4 | hdparm -i /dev/hdX gives me HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument |
| 08:02.33 | dn4 | , any ideas? |
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| 08:05.26 | quik_ | pastebin.com/550808 |
| 08:06.27 | quik_ | the error is in that file |
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| 08:07.51 | nima | losing your flashlight in a dark room sucks |
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| 08:08.26 | SimonRaven | i knew it'd be something like that. don't mix sources like that |
| 08:08.34 | SimonRaven | !bobbitt |
| 08:08.34 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 08:09.31 | quik_ | ... |
| 08:09.41 | SimonRaven | what you're seeing there is the least of your problems if you force it |
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| 08:09.52 | quik_ | so remove the non debian sources fromthe list? |
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| 08:11.08 | SimonRaven | for a start. get your deps fixed, then if you like you could go for etch if you like. at least it'll be installable then. unless some of the other regulars think etch is too fucked right now, anyway. i haven't been keeping track lately |
| 08:11.12 | quik_ | how can I install some themes and styles easily? |
| 08:11.55 | SimonRaven | or, fetch the sources package for those, and build it yourself, or fetch it from backports.org if they have it |
| 08:12.00 | nima | quik_, for what?' |
| 08:12.03 | SimonRaven | source packages* |
| 08:12.18 | SimonRaven | s/he wants to install some theme stuff for kde |
| 08:12.42 | SimonRaven | but it's wanting glibc from etch or later, and such things |
| 08:12.44 | quik_ | SimonRaven: so don't rely on apt-get for anything other than standard type packages? |
| 08:13.25 | SimonRaven | quik_: quickie rule of thumb is that if they don't have packages for the debian version you have installed, don't touch it |
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| 08:14.00 | quik_ | SimonRaven: Thanks for the tip |
| 08:14.12 | SimonRaven | if you have some experience building things, or some backports site has what you want, then you can check it out |
| 08:14.34 | Acid`X | wich version of kde is runing sarge? 3.4? |
| 08:14.46 | dn4 | Why would hdparm -i /dev/hdxx not work at all? |
| 08:14.58 | dn4 | I keep getting HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument |
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| 08:15.08 | SimonRaven | Acid`X: iirc yeh |
| 08:15.14 | iciclebox | what is to stop a user for executing 'sudo su' and becoming permanently root? |
| 08:15.35 | SimonRaven | appropriate sudoers file editing |
| 08:15.39 | Acid`X | SimonRaven: 3.5 is in etch and sid, right? |
| 08:15.40 | jon_k | iciclebox, because you have to have sudo permission via sudoers |
| 08:15.44 | quik_ | SimonRaven: is there any easy way to make my debian machine mount all my windows drives? |
| 08:15.56 | quik_ | iciclebox: apt-get install sudoers |
| 08:16.06 | SimonRaven | Acid`X: only sid afaik. 3.5 will make it in eventually, i gather |
| 08:16.15 | SimonRaven | no, sudo |
| 08:16.22 | Acid`X | for sarge? or etch? |
| 08:16.31 | ootput | hi guys, any idea why localhost doesn't resolve for a user (ping localhost works fine for root) when, in /etc/hosts, 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost is defined? |
| 08:16.33 | iciclebox | jon_k: assuming the user has been given sudo permissions, but I doin't want the user to be logged in as root? |
| 08:16.42 | SimonRaven | etch. no not sarge, not ever. |
| 08:16.48 | Acid`X | k |
| 08:16.58 | TheBest | No Match for argument: kde |
| 08:16.58 | TheBest | No Match for argument: xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:17.15 | Acid`X | TheBest: dude, /msg dpkg set up x |
| 08:17.21 | TheBest | any LINKhow to install KDE ? |
| 08:17.26 | jon_k | iciclebox, you can configure EXACTLY what commands a user can use sudo for |
| 08:17.28 | TheBest | thanks |
| 08:17.32 | jon_k | iciclebox, with the sudoers file |
| 08:17.37 | iciclebox | jon_k: ok thanks |
| 08:17.41 | jon_k | yep |
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| 08:17.45 | SimonRaven | use visudo to edit that thing |
| 08:17.56 | iciclebox | SimonRaven: ok |
| 08:18.02 | ootput | oh dear, it appears /etc/hosts wasn't world readable :/ |
| 08:18.40 | ootput | god |
| 08:18.40 | SimonRaven | runs syntax checking on it, and such. prevents accidents, but not PEBKAC errors ;) |
| 08:18.40 | SimonRaven | ootput: eek |
| 08:19.40 | iciclebox | how do you find a version list for a program? |
| 08:19.48 | iciclebox | i.e. apt-get install apache=1.3 didn't work |
| 08:19.50 | jon_k | pebkac errors? |
| 08:19.52 | iciclebox | I didn't want 2.0 |
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| 08:20.31 | jon_k | SimonRaven, pebkak errors? |
| 08:21.11 | SimonRaven | !pebkac |
| 08:21.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 08:22.00 | iciclebox | heh |
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| 08:25.43 | quik_ | what is the qt-mt library and why do I need it for all kde/theme stuff? |
| 08:26.14 | freeone3000 | C++ application framework, looks like... |
| 08:26.42 | freeone3000 | And probably the same reason GNOME needs GTK+. |
| 08:27.04 | iciclebox | how do you find a version list for a program? |
| 08:27.11 | iciclebox | i.e. apt-get install apache=1.3 didn't work, but I dont' want 2.0 |
| 08:27.50 | freeone3000 | apt-get install apache |
| 08:27.58 | freeone3000 | Apache 2 is packaged as 'apache2', not 'apache'. |
| 08:28.00 | TheBest | /amsg -bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 08:28.34 | iciclebox | freeone3000: thanks. |
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| 08:31.03 | quik_ | how can I install the Qt library on debian? |
| 08:31.54 | IEEE1003 | try finding the debian package on pdo.debian.org, |
| 08:32.28 | IEEE1003 | and then download and install with dpkg -i ___.deb |
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| 08:40.51 | freeone3000 | mozilla-firefox package is outdated. |
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| 08:43.01 | Jambon | um, i'm having a discussion about distro upgrades. First, I KNOW ELIVE IS NOT DEBIAN. that out of the way, when upgrading a distro, can you do it through apt, or do you have to do a clean reinstall? |
| 08:43.18 | Jambon | in my case, elive .3 to .4 |
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| 08:44.03 | SimonRaven | htf should we know |
| 08:44.24 | Jambon | well doesn't apt have apt-get dist-upgrade or something? |
| 08:44.46 | SimonRaven | man apt-get |
| 08:44.47 | blame | how do I switch between keyboard layouts in kde ? |
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| 08:45.50 | deadcat | Jambon: try it via dist-upgrde, if it blows up then you know your answer to your q |
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| 08:46.24 | Jambon | no |
| 08:46.25 | Addrwack | Hello room |
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| 08:46.46 | Jambon | last time i was told to try ctrl-alt-backspace to ufreeze my computer |
| 08:46.51 | Addrwack | I have a qusetion |
| 08:46.57 | Jambon | it worked.....but....you know |
| 08:47.05 | deadcat | Jambon: then why you ask? |
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| 08:47.07 | Addrwack | question |
| 08:47.09 | SimonRaven | i have an answer |
| 08:47.16 | Addrwack | nice Simon |
| 08:47.21 | deadcat | Addrwack: just ask damn you |
| 08:47.29 | Addrwack | LOL |
| 08:47.59 | Addrwack | I have had nothing but issues downloading Dabian netintl |
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| 08:48.21 | jfs | in mutt is there a way to remail an old message (bounce) but be able to edit it before sending? e.g. add attachments etc.? or do i have to forward the mail? |
| 08:48.34 | Addrwack | I have resorted to a Knoppix Live CD which is very impressive |
| 08:48.36 | lsald | dpkg tell Addrwack about lol |
| 08:48.37 | TBBle | Jambon: dist-upgrade is 'upgrade and install/remove stuff where neccessary'. Not actually specifically related to upgrading your whacked-out Debian-esque distro. |
| 08:48.42 | TBBle | Ah, he lef.t |
| 08:48.51 | Addrwack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.18 | freeone3000 | ...So download a debian install CD? |
| 08:49.29 | Acid`X | ding! |
| 08:49.41 | Addrwack | Ihave downloaded the Net install 3 friggin times |
| 08:49.45 | lsald | then change sources.list to testing and dist-upgrade |
| 08:49.46 | Addrwack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.58 | deadcat | Addrwack: you burned it wrong. |
| 08:50.01 | lsald | Addrwack, what's not working? |
| 08:50.19 | freeone3000 | Try: Using a download manager. Burning the CD as the image, using nero or some similar tool. Using CDRecord instead of nero, cuz nero sometimes messes it up. |
| 08:50.20 | TBBle | Addrwack: Well, since this is #debian, you're much more likely to get help with making the netinstall work than in doing whatever it is you're doing to your Knoppix install. |
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| 08:50.47 | Addrwack | Everytime I do the check its a CDROM error |
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| 08:51.00 | freeone3000 | You need a CD-R? |
| 08:51.02 | deadcat | Addrwack: you're burning the shit wrong. learn how to burn a bootable cd |
| 08:51.09 | Addrwack | What site would you sugest I rtmf? |
| 08:51.30 | Addrwack | cat how do you think Im on this knoppix CD |
| 08:51.35 | lsald | Addrwack, if you're using linux now and gnome you can't just right click the iso |
| 08:51.52 | deadcat | Addrwack: i dont know. i am not you |
| 08:52.22 | freeone3000 | Let's see... I have something sitting on /mnt/win... |
| 08:52.25 | Addrwack | No my objective is to have a dual boot |
| 08:52.38 | lsald | Addrwack, http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html |
| 08:52.43 | cyrix | hi, i have this machine running as a dedicated firewall with two interfaces.. now, when my ISP goes down, i have to ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 to get internet access in all my terminals, is there a way.. to do that automaticaly? |
| 08:52.48 | Addrwack | Im currently a crossover Linux user |
| 08:52.50 | deadcat | Addrwack: wget http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-businesscard.iso dammit |
| 08:53.11 | Addrwack | ok Cat your funny dude |
| 08:53.19 | Acid`X | no he is not |
| 08:53.30 | Addrwack | I know Im a linux retard |
| 08:53.33 | freeone3000 | burnatonce is the thing you're looking for. |
| 08:53.41 | Addrwack | Im just going friggin mad |
| 08:53.45 | deadcat | i dont see how i am funny. telling you to download the file |
| 08:53.48 | Addrwack | Im overwhelmed |
| 08:53.57 | freeone3000 | Step one. |
| 08:54.01 | Addrwack | ok its booked |
| 08:54.05 | freeone3000 | Click the blue link thing. |
| 08:54.13 | Addrwack | lol |
| 08:54.37 | freeone3000 | Step two. Wait. Step 3. Download burnatonce. Step 4. Point it to the ISO. Step 5. Point it to your CD burner. Step 6. Click burn. Step 7. Reboot. |
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| 08:55.14 | dominicano | !seen dvm |
| 08:55.15 | dpkg | dvm <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8d 19h 28m 15s ago, saying: 'valdyn: So i wait that he has finished to buil the kernel again'. |
| 08:55.22 | dominicano | !seen dvm1981 |
| 08:55.22 | dpkg | dvm1981 <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14d 9h 32m ago, saying: 'fhffhqvb: Need to take a break ?'. |
| 08:55.25 | deadcat | freeone3000: whats burnatonce? |
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| 08:55.42 | Addrwack | I know how to burn an ISO |
| 08:55.52 | quik_ | does anyone use the moodin engine? |
| 08:55.53 | dominicano | i know you are there dvm1981 |
| 08:56.01 | deadcat | quik_: no |
| 08:56.07 | Addrwack | would you say bittorent is the way to go |
| 08:56.08 | Addrwack | ? |
| 08:56.12 | TBBle | Addrwack: Which check is giving the CRC error? |
| 08:56.18 | deadcat | Addrwack: just wget the motherfucker |
| 08:56.30 | deadcat | goddamn you cant even follow a simple wget instruction? |
| 08:56.49 | quik_ | deadcat: is it no good? or you just don |
| 08:56.52 | quik_ | 't |
| 08:57.00 | freeone3000 | deadcat: Burn at once is a windows utility that burns a cd image to a burnable disc, as bootable, within 2 mins or less, with two clicks. |
| 08:57.01 | deadcat | quik_: no as i dont use it |
| 08:57.15 | TBBle | Addrwack: Ah, you didn't say CRC, you said CDROM. Anyway, which check is that? |
| 08:57.21 | cyrix | umm.. anybody? |
| 08:57.23 | deadcat | freeone3000: nice. like nero? |
| 08:57.30 | freeone3000 | deadcat: Minus all the steps. |
| 08:57.34 | deadcat | oh (= |
| 08:57.50 | Addrwack | well thanx fellaz |
| 08:58.09 | Addrwack | you have made things even more interesting |
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| 08:59.26 | blame | how do I switch between keyboard layouts in kde ? |
| 08:59.53 | deadcat | blame: no clue |
| 09:02.27 | quik_ | can I install a deb file from command line? |
| 09:02.38 | deadcat | quik_: dpkg -i blah.deb |
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| 09:05.24 | joesboxd4b | will this work with all nvidia cards? |
| 09:05.27 | joesboxd4b | http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Hardware/Installing_new_accelerated_Nvidia_Linux_Drivers_in_5_EASY_Steps |
| 09:05.52 | deadcat | dont know. we install nvidia the debian way |
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| 09:06.47 | joesboxd4b | well i don't know what that is... i am trying to help out a friend but i don't have an nvidia card. can you lead me to a howto to give her? |
| 09:06.48 | deadcat | taht aint no 5 easy steps. |
| 09:07.11 | deadcat | !tell joesboxd4b about nvidia one-liner |
| 09:07.31 | freeone3000 | Where's glu and glut.h? |
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| 09:07.55 | freeone3000 | And how would I set them so g++ knows where they are? |
| 09:07.58 | liable | freeone3000: apt-file |
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| 09:08.25 | joesboxd4b | thanks dead cat |
| 09:08.29 | joesboxd4b | i hope it works. |
| 09:08.45 | deadcat | if you follow the instruction, i'll work |
| 09:09.04 | liable | you'll work? |
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| 09:09.15 | deadcat | no |
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| 09:13.12 | Jambon | what's the command for reconfiguring your network connection? |
| 09:13.26 | Jambon | debconf.....something or other |
| 09:13.33 | bendee | ifconfig |
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| 09:14.06 | Jambon | so debconf ifconfig? |
| 09:14.16 | deadcat | just ifconfig |
| 09:14.21 | Jambon | oh |
| 09:14.24 | deadcat | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:14.37 | Jambon | i remember it telling me something about ethernetconnection and debconf |
| 09:14.53 | Jambon | but it said it had already been set up, so i left it |
| 09:14.56 | Jambon | silly me |
| 09:15.09 | liable | no, man interfaces. /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 09:15.57 | Jambon | so that's should set up my internet? |
| 09:16.25 | Jambon | i'm talking from a live cd because the hard drive install didn't work |
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| 09:16.32 | Jambon | at least the internet didn't |
| 09:16.36 | bibe | hi all. As many of us, I use different network environments with my laptop. Until now, I was managing it with a simple script and some configuration files, but I'd like to do it the Debian way and use netenv. Everything is just file, but I don't know how to make netenv aware of network parameters such as wireless-essid and wireless-key. Are there some undocumented variables to export in netenv profiles, or should I call another scripts that sets them up? |
| 09:16.43 | liable | Jambon: erm, are you using ubuntu? |
| 09:16.48 | Jambon | no |
| 09:17.02 | Jambon | i kill x on it an couple hours ago |
| 09:17.05 | bibe | s/just file/just fine/ |
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| 09:17.16 | Jambon | so i installed elive |
| 09:17.43 | Jambon | which , I know, is not debian |
| 09:17.50 | Jambon | but they're silent over there |
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| 09:20.20 | Jambon | so just ifconfig? would you know what the message was about debconf ethernetcon or something close to that? |
| 09:20.28 | deadcat | you on your own! |
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| 09:21.13 | liable | if the network works from a live cd.. |
| 09:21.28 | Jambon | ya i asked my self the same question |
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| 09:23.06 | crypt_ex | Since I have upgraded to Testing from Stable, I have lost my sound. Arts package is installed,which I presume gnome uses. |
| 09:23.42 | Jambon | oooh. i think i found it. dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
| 09:23.50 | lantern | s/sound/mind |
| 09:23.53 | deadcat | crypt_ex: isnt arts a kde thing? |
| 09:23.56 | crypt_ex | I have also lost the ability to press 'ctrl+alt+f1' or f2 etc |
| 09:24.16 | bibe | crypt_ex : arts daemon is generally used by kde (and not gnome). I think you can instruct gnome to use it, but you should use gnome's native sound daemon |
| 09:24.18 | crypt_ex | deadcat, thats what I thought from looking at apt-cache....what does Gnome use? |
| 09:24.27 | crypt_ex | bibe, whats that then? |
| 09:24.29 | deadcat | esd |
| 09:24.34 | crypt_ex | ahh |
| 09:24.40 | crypt_ex | will check to see if its installed |
| 09:24.40 | deadcat | but i bet it doesnt even use it no more |
| 09:24.47 | julian_tf | hi, how is it possible that i can download a kernel from apt-get and i dont need to compile it? and second question: why would this kernel run on different platforms (athlon pentium)? |
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| 09:24.52 | Jambon | does dpkg-reconfigure etherconf sound right? or is ifconfig still the way to go |
| 09:25.34 | bibe | julian_tf : use 'apt-cache search kernel-image' and check the best for _each_ architecture |
| 09:25.59 | crypt_ex | deadcat, I cant see the esd package, so I presume it does not use it any more |
| 09:26.12 | bibe | julian_tf : kernel images are built from the same kernel-source packages, but with different configurations |
| 09:26.22 | crypt_ex | is it gstreamer0.10-esd? |
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| 09:26.29 | deadcat | no clue |
| 09:26.37 | crypt_ex | ok |
| 09:26.57 | bibe | crypt_ex : I think it's gstreamer, but since I don't use gnome I can't be 100% sure |
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| 09:27.19 | wobbler | crypt_ex: just type esd in a term and hit enter if its installed you'll either hear sounds or see the message its allready running |
| 09:27.22 | liable | apt-cache show? |
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| 09:27.40 | crypt_ex | states /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
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| 09:27.50 | crypt_ex | Was working before. |
| 09:28.20 | liable | modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 09:29.11 | crypt_ex | And then there was sound! |
| 09:29.34 | crypt_ex | cheers liable, whats that eactly and is that set for now? |
| 09:29.35 | deadcat | life saver |
| 09:29.53 | deadcat | crypt_ex: echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules |
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| 09:30.21 | crypt_ex | Done, thanks |
| 09:30.37 | crypt_ex | I take it thats the module and modprobe loaded it. |
| 09:30.44 | xxxpixie | hi. some of my users have non-ascii characters in their full names (not usernames). is it possible to store those names in unicode in the comment field in /etc/passwd ? |
| 09:30.59 | deadcat | try it |
| 09:31.14 | crypt_ex | Thanks all....last thing, I cant ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 etc, since upgrade to testing, do you think its X not configured right? |
| 09:31.16 | quik_ | is it possible to use the new novell DM on debian? |
| 09:31.46 | xxxpixie | :) i just want to know - is anyone doing this - and how? |
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| 09:32.19 | deadcat | quik_: no |
| 09:32.31 | deadcat | xxxpixie: edit the file by hand |
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| 09:33.44 | julian_tf | can i install a kernel by source and then patch it with a patch.deb? |
| 09:33.54 | julian_tf | question was |
| 09:34.00 | xxxpixie | deadcat: in utf8 some char combinations can contain a iso8859-1 ':' char in the multibyte sequence, so i figured - if it is possible, the info would be encoded - base64 or something? |
| 09:34.19 | deadcat | no clue |
| 09:34.25 | xxxpixie | or maybe i should just try and see if it blows up :) |
| 09:34.32 | liable | julian_tf: patches are normally .difss, but the deb may do it all automagically.. |
| 09:34.38 | deadcat | xxxpixie: ya . try |
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| 09:35.14 | crypt_ex | I just cant understand why I cant ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 to access console window. This is so strange. |
| 09:35.35 | lsald | crypt_ex, are you on x86 or ppc |
| 09:35.39 | deadcat | you sure you using debian? |
| 09:35.54 | deadcat | lsald: why would that diff in ppc? |
| 09:35.54 | xxxpixie | crypt_ex: there is a xorg.conf server flag for that - although i'm not sure if that's your problem |
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| 09:36.07 | crypt_ex | lsald, k7 kernel |
| 09:36.13 | crypt_ex | but yea x86 |
| 09:36.34 | crypt_ex | xxxpixie, how would I configure that though, with a dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 09:36.49 | xxxpixie | just look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf for... |
| 09:37.00 | xxxpixie | Option "DontVTSwitch" |
| 09:37.07 | crypt_ex | xxxpixie, I am allowed t to edit this manually though? |
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| 09:37.34 | xxxpixie | :) of course. it shouldn't confuse debconf too much |
| 09:38.00 | xxxpixie | but i don't think that an upgrade to testing xorg should've done that |
| 09:38.18 | crypt_ex | nah, its not in there xxxpixie |
| 09:38.19 | liable | dpkg wont reconfigure the file afterwards though.. but unless you set it in xfree, it shouldnt need to be edited. |
| 09:38.31 | crypt_ex | I have left it with xorg |
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| 09:38.48 | crypt_ex | Very strange indeed |
| 09:39.00 | crypt_ex | lets hope I dont need the console soon |
| 09:39.06 | liable | crypt_ex: welcome to testing, check bts |
| 09:39.15 | crypt_ex | bts? |
| 09:39.19 | crypt_ex | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.24 | weedar | I have a debian package that depends on libflac6 but libflac7 is installed. How would I "fix" this in the control-file for the package? |
| 09:39.25 | crypt_ex | tracking system? |
| 09:39.29 | liable | yes |
| 09:39.32 | crypt_ex | :) |
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| 09:40.17 | xxxpixie | crypt_ex: if you've got root, fire up an xterm and run 'openvt -s cat' as root |
| 09:40.41 | xxxpixie | that should show if they're there at all |
| 09:41.19 | xxxpixie | whoops |
| 09:41.48 | streuner | weedar: does it have a name? |
| 09:42.25 | streuner | dpkg, test |
| 09:42.25 | dpkg | Sorry, streuner, I didn't get your test. |
| 09:42.34 | weedar | streuner, the package is scummvm. But I'm asking because I would like to know more about debian packages (and possibly become a maintainer) |
| 09:43.25 | streuner | weedar: /msg dpkg mg |
| 09:43.33 | weedar | streuner, thank you :) |
| 09:44.10 | liable | weedar: try the debian-mentors mailing list |
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| 09:44.46 | streuner | weedar: i doubt you just change an control-file and then everything is ok |
| 09:45.01 | streuner | weedar: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 09:45.45 | liable | !equivs |
| 09:45.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 09:46.15 | weedar | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.5-1ubuntu12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone (yes I'm one of those) |
| 09:46.20 | buu | Hrm. I've got a box that has some sort of heat sensor |
| 09:46.30 | buu | When I boot it, I can see the various temperatures displayed in the bios |
| 09:46.32 | weedar | liable, thank you :) |
| 09:46.36 | buu | Is there anyway to access that from linux? |
| 09:46.37 | streuner | liable: that would be ok for libs which you don't need... |
| 09:46.51 | streuner | weedar: #ubuntu |
| 09:46.52 | liable | buu: acpi |
| 09:47.11 | streuner | weedar: why do you ask questions about bugs in ubuntu here? |
| 09:47.20 | weedar | streuner, I am aware of the channel, I just assumed that people here would be better at answering .deb-specific questions |
| 09:47.22 | buu | liable: Nifty. |
| 09:47.38 | weedar | streuner, not a ubuntu-bug, a debian package bug ;) (though not debian related as such) |
| 09:47.49 | buu | Hrm. Another question. I have a box that has a directory nfs mounted. However, I shut do wn the box that had exporteed the dir without umounting it here |
| 09:47.56 | buu | Now when I try to umount it I get errors |
| 09:48.02 | buu | "Device or resource busy" |
| 09:48.04 | streuner | weedar: if you running ubuntu - its a ubuntu bug |
| 09:48.04 | buu | "illegal seek" |
| 09:48.10 | liable | meh, xfce4 seems to like messing with my fonts. :( |
| 09:48.21 | weedar | streuner, also, the package itself is ment for debian sarge, I plan on making it work under ubuntu |
| 09:48.53 | streuner | weedar: just run debian |
| 09:49.03 | liable | weedar: ask in a ubuntu dev list.. |
| 09:49.21 | weedar | liable, ok sounds like a good idea |
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| 09:50.32 | weedar | Although I'd like to clarify that the reason I asked at all was not really related to the package, but how to solve a dependency problem - which I've also encountered when using Debian earlier with other packages |
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| 09:50.55 | streuner | weedar: we told you /join #ubuntu |
| 09:50.55 | Jambon | what should i do if firefox says it's already running, but i can't find any windows of it? |
| 09:51.17 | liable | Jambon: pkill firefox |
| 09:51.34 | liable | or mozzila-firefox, depending.. |
| 09:51.51 | Jambon | that seems to have worked |
| 09:51.52 | Jambon | thanks |
| 09:52.21 | streuner | How can somebody say, "he eating an apple, but the banana taste bad"? |
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| 09:52.46 | weedar | Worst comparison ever |
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| 09:53.17 | streuner | you running ubuntu and a debian package doesn't work |
| 09:53.30 | streuner | so its a debian problem, right? :-) |
| 09:53.36 | holycow | heh |
| 09:53.42 | holycow | hola streuner |
| 09:53.51 | streuner | holycow: moo! |
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| 09:54.26 | crypt_ex | After dist-upgrade, I have three packages left behind. Any reason why packages get left behind? gnome-cups-manager libtunepimp-bin lsb-core. Do I need to purge these? |
| 09:54.28 | holycow | weedar, its recommended to listen to streuner, truth he speaks |
| 09:54.48 | weedar | streuner, as I said this is more of an example. I have experienced the same while running debian with other packages. So the answer I'm seeking is not specific to this package but about debian packages in general :-) |
| 09:55.14 | liable | wow, i just got an email from helga saying that she's tried the new penis patches, and they work.. 0.o |
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| 09:56.27 | weedar | liable, is that like a nicotine patch but dirtier? |
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| 09:57.13 | streuner | weedar: crap |
| 09:58.21 | weedar | streuner, how so? I have to admit that the time I got such an error on debian was when using backports or marilat repository, but still |
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| 09:58.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
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| 09:59.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | my debian is outputting some strange errors, but they only accure after 1 1/2 days uptime, the error is: |
| 09:59.50 | DJ-Marcuzz | Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 2d on CPU 0. |
| 09:59.50 | DJ-Marcuzz | Dazed and confused, but trying to continue |
| 09:59.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | Do you have a strange power saving mode enabled? |
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| 10:00.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | dan why isn't it doing like i want, just one line :S |
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| 10:01.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | but anyway, the error repeat multiple time and with 3d to, so could someone help me solve the problem? |
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| 10:15.29 | RolandU | hi all! I am interested in duplicating my system - at least the installed programs. I don't want to export all the packages, I would just be interested in exporting a list of everything that's installed. Is there a nice and easy way to do this? |
| 10:15.51 | liable | !set selections |
| 10:16.44 | mortal | RolandU: dpkg -l |
| 10:17.05 | liable | RolandU: yes, man dpkg, --set-selections; --get-selections |
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| 10:18.01 | liable | !selections |
| 10:18.02 | dpkg | i heard ffs copy is run "dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt" on the source, copy foo.txt to the destination and run "dpkg --set-selections < foo.txt ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" on the destination. |
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| 10:22.30 | requalix | ÄÅ |
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| 10:23.52 | ma3x | a little question: how are the rar files done (r00,r01....sfv...) ? they are not using the normal split option? something else must be too, right? |
| 10:24.54 | RolandU | mortal, liable : thanks! |
| 10:25.17 | buu | "Can't connect to ups cyberpower (cyberpower-ttyS0): no such file or directory" |
| 10:25.21 | Gathond | ma3x: I think so, just use rar to unpack them all |
| 10:25.24 | buu | Anyone have the vaguest clue? |
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| 10:26.04 | liable | buu: that sounds like proprietry software.. |
| 10:27.12 | ma3x | Gathond, I know how to unpack them, but with what .rar options are they packed exactly? |
| 10:27.41 | buu | liable: It's from 'NUT' |
| 10:27.44 | buu | (Well, upsd) |
| 10:28.16 | buu | Actually, it's bed time. Fuck it. |
| 10:28.46 | Gathond | ma3x: man page suggests -v1000k for 1000k and so forth |
| 10:28.46 | buu | I'm going to bed. Thanks and all. |
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| 10:33.05 | ma3x | Gathond, but that splits them in part1.rar .... not in r00 and .svf |
| 10:34.34 | Gathond | ma3x: I think you can just rename them if you want that, and I think the svf is some external checksum thing |
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| 10:35.49 | darkhunter | ÅŸÅŸÅŸ |
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| 10:38.01 | rohan | whats the best chess playing game for linux, which a nice ai, which will run on a piii 550mhz and available in sid repo ? |
| 10:38.23 | ma3x | Gathond, thanks |
| 10:38.35 | rohan | i dont care for the quality of graphics. |
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| 10:40.16 | streuner | ma3x: the name-scheme changed > 3 (version, but that's all |
| 10:41.18 | ma3x | hi streuner! you mean in winrar 3? ok, not big thing.. |
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| 10:41.50 | streuner | ma3x: nah, from version 2 to 3 in rar |
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| 10:42.25 | streuner | !info rar |
| 10:42.27 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 10:42.37 | liable | gah, i think my lcd is dying. :( |
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| 10:43.14 | streuner | !info rar woody |
| 10:43.16 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 2.80-2 (woody), Packaged size: 174 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
| 10:44.32 | ma3x | streuner, but these files I got were probably packed with winrar, so the scheme of the files is .r00 r01 r02 ..... |
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| 10:44.52 | ma3x | streuner, was it like that in rar2? |
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| 10:45.26 | Eulex | any way to find out which packages on a system that has a version that is not the candidate... that is, if I for example have a default-release of testing, how do I find out what packages that I've not installed are not the version from testing? |
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| 10:46.16 | quik_ | how can I install kde 3.5? |
| 10:46.37 | quik_ | through packages that is |
| 10:46.37 | superlinux | hi all. i want some help in tcng and based on the following site http://www.docum.org/docum.org/faq/cache/32.html which should be opened for for more explanation. in the page they say that " For 10Mbit on i386 this is 12kb". what if the rate i buy is 512kbps what should be the burst? |
| 10:46.37 | Eulex | umh... *that I've installed that are not...* |
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| 10:46.49 | nprice | I've installed the nvidia drivers but i'm having very poor performance in 3d apps, glxgears is spitting out 195 fps and video is choppy. It was working fine until i uninstalled kde and installed ion3. what should i try? |
| 10:47.09 | ro0t | is it possible that since the last perl-upgrade in debian unstable, everything got borked? |
| 10:47.23 | streuner | ma3x: r00, r01 was the old name-scheme, part1 is the new |
| 10:47.31 | Eulex | ro0t, very possible, checked the bts? |
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| 10:48.04 | Eulex | nprice, glxinfo|grep direct? |
| 10:48.07 | ro0t | Eulex: I'm not sure for which package I should check exactly ? like which perl package is causing it? even my apt-get doesn't work anymore because my perl is broken! |
| 10:48.20 | rohan | how do i find the source url from which a pkg is built ? |
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| 10:49.20 | nayyares | i have configured POSTFIX and now i want to check its mail sending speed i.e. mails/second , is there any way to check it out? |
| 10:49.21 | dondelelcaro | rohan: apt-get source foopkg; |
| 10:49.58 | rohan | dondelelcaro: but that will download the source. i just want to find the url / homepage of a pkg, 3dchess, in this case. |
| 10:50.00 | dondelelcaro | nayyares: there are tons of testing harnesses for MTAs |
| 10:50.00 | tzafrir_laptop | set up another server? |
| 10:50.03 | Eulex | ro0t, I'd first check the main perl package. what error do you get exactly? |
| 10:50.09 | dondelelcaro | rohan: that's in the copyright file of most packages. |
| 10:50.16 | ma3x | streuner, what about the .svf thing, it contains some checksum numbers. are those really useful? |
| 10:50.19 | tzafrir_laptop | nayyares, or a different smtp server on a different port? |
| 10:50.19 | dondelelcaro | rohan: /usr/share/doc/3dchess/copyright; |
| 10:50.31 | rohan | ah, thanks, dondelelcaro |
| 10:51.08 | nayyares | dondelelcaro: can you name one? |
| 10:51.23 | rohan | and how do i find whether http://glchess.sourceforge.net/ has a pkg or no ? apt-cache search is -ve, so what do i assume ? package is not there, or it has some different name ? |
| 10:51.25 | tzafrir_laptop | I must be missing something: in what package is the postgresql server (postmaster) in sarge? isn't it postgresql ? |
| 10:51.41 | nayyares | dondelelcaro: that is easy to use and you recommend it? |
| 10:52.23 | dondelelcaro | nayyares: I don't recommend any of them; a google search for mta benchmark finds a ton of htem |
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| 10:53.03 | TheBest | Exception in thread "main" java.awt.HeadlessException: |
| 10:53.03 | TheBest | No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it. |
| 10:53.03 | robin__ | OK, so Im running Sarge ... but would prefer a more "up to date" version of Firefox ... how do I specify just one package from testing in sources? |
| 10:53.17 | dondelelcaro | robin__: you don't; get a backport of firefox instead. |
| 10:53.23 | dondelelcaro | robin__: /msg dpkg backports |
| 10:53.39 | robin__ | k |
| 10:53.40 | streuner | ma3x: svg sounds like a picture file |
| 10:54.01 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: svf you can check using cksvf or similar. |
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| 10:55.25 | deadcat | whats this: UDF-fs: No VRS found |
| 10:55.28 | streuner | SVF Simple Vector Format |
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| 10:57.54 | raf256 | is there any ALSA voice chat? |
| 10:57.59 | streuner | ma3x: http://board.gulli.com/thread/438878-fahrenheit-installieren/ |
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| 10:59.11 | nima | AHHHHHHH I hate accidentally running shit on the wrong computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:59.27 | liable | hehe |
| 10:59.28 | nima | ssh should distinguish itself somehow |
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| 10:59.48 | Eulex | whoa, xorg 6.9.0 coming into testing |
| 10:59.54 | streuner | ma3x: "die *.sfv-Datei ist für dich erstmal nicht soo von Bedeutung. die braucht man, wenn man vergleichen will ob es beim Downloaden der Files eventuell Probleme gab und die Dateien beschädigt sind bzw. nicht mehr dem Originalzustand entsprechen" |
| 11:00.00 | Gathond | nima: make your shell show the hostname? |
| 11:00.33 | nima | 5:00 in the morining, instead of playing music through my headphones, i play it on the computer connected to the bigass speakers |
| 11:00.43 | nima | everyone wakes up |
| 11:01.07 | nima | Gathond, it does, i just never notice it |
| 11:01.25 | Gathond | hehe |
| 11:02.11 | Gathond | that will teach them to sleep |
| 11:02.16 | gary | there is a bug in the new update for testing... in xserver-xorg |
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| 11:02.29 | lantern | xorg is lame |
| 11:02.46 | streuner | lantern: what problem do you have? |
| 11:02.56 | streuner | (with xorg) |
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| 11:03.04 | gary | yes |
| 11:03.26 | lantern | at many ways... but that's a long long story |
| 11:03.45 | DirkGently | lantern is just a troll |
| 11:03.58 | lantern | ... oh |
| 11:04.02 | ki6amd | lantern's problem is that he prefers DirectX |
| 11:04.12 | ki6amd | sorry, just poking fun |
| 11:04.29 | lantern | dx is more lame |
| 11:04.32 | streuner | yeah, doesn't work in xorg ;-) |
| 11:04.48 | lantern | ogl > dx |
| 11:04.50 | ki6amd | cheap Wine anyone? |
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| 11:05.29 | robin__ | OK, no im confused ... I added the backports line to sources, did the thing in /etc/apt/preferences ... but apt-get update; apt-get upgrade doesnt seem to say its going to upgrade my firefox ... |
| 11:05.51 | streuner | robin__: that's a bad idea |
| 11:05.55 | DirkGently | ki6amd: I want mine in an Open GLass |
| 11:06.04 | robin__ | oh ffs |
| 11:06.14 | robin__ | OK, ... |
| 11:06.19 | wajig|sarge | to compile a module against kernel tree i need to install e.g kernel-source-2.6.8, right? |
| 11:06.19 | streuner | robin: using ALL packages from backports.org could break your system |
| 11:06.20 | robin__ | hy is it a bad idea? |
| 11:06.30 | TheBest | GURU http://pastebin.ca/41240 CGK :) |
| 11:06.44 | lantern | add framebuffer to ogl and you have the god |
| 11:06.56 | streuner | backports.org is meant to get newer packages for sarge/stable |
| 11:06.57 | robin__ | streuner, see the bit here I said "did the thing on etc/apt/preferences" ? |
| 11:07.21 | ki6amd | dpkg -i that-damn-program-I-want-that-has-not-been-added-to-debian-ftp-servers-yet-v0.1.5.1.deb |
| 11:07.31 | streuner | robin: ok, so firefox isn't in backports.org? |
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| 11:07.36 | lantern | !time |
| 11:07.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2006.02.12 UTC, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here! |
| 11:07.38 | robin__ | it is |
| 11:07.53 | streuner | robin: so you didn't read the instructions then |
| 11:08.08 | robin__ | pinned backports at 200, pinned firefox at 999 |
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| 11:08.30 | DirkGently | dpkg: very deep.. you should send that into the reader's digest, they've got a page for people like you |
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| 11:09.18 | streuner | robin: those entries should avoid the system to download all packages from backports.org |
| 11:09.42 | Eulex | DirkGently, you're talking to a bot |
| 11:09.48 | robin__ | exactly .. |
| 11:09.50 | DirkGently | Eulex: yeah I know |
| 11:09.52 | robin__ | but ... |
| 11:09.56 | streuner | robin: installing with the entries is possible via, apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 11:10.10 | DirkGently | well actually I was quoting at it |
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| 11:10.25 | robin__ | ok, so ith a specific "apt-get install <package>" it grabs that soecisfic package from backports |
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| 11:10.42 | robin__ | but ith a general "upgrade" it doesnt bother ... |
| 11:10.52 | streuner | yes |
| 11:11.08 | Eulex | robin__, you can use apt-cache policy <package> to see which is going to be installed |
| 11:11.17 | tombs | hi all |
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| 11:11.27 | robin__ | so ... ill it keep firefox updated after ive instaled it? |
| 11:11.42 | wajig|sarge | i need a deb of spca5XXX for my webcam. any ideas? |
| 11:11.49 | robin__ | or ill I need to run a specific install command from time to time? |
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| 11:12.28 | streuner | robin: once you have it installed its updating it then... |
| 11:12.38 | robin__ | yes but in future? |
| 11:12.43 | streuner | yes |
| 11:13.10 | ki6amd | apt-get -i that-damn-program-I-want-that-has-not-been-added-to-debian-ftp-servers-yet-v0.1.5.1.deb |
| 11:13.11 | robin__ | yes it ill be automatic or yes I need to run a specific install command for it from time to time? |
| 11:13.37 | streuner | robin: the first |
| 11:13.53 | streuner | robin: yes it ill be automatic then |
| 11:13.55 | ki6amd | or better yet, I'll just apt-get me a beer |
| 11:13.58 | robin__ | thanks |
| 11:14.01 | streuner | np |
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| 11:14.16 | robin__ | most appreciated :) |
| 11:14.25 | nima | wajig|sarge, they exist |
| 11:14.37 | wajig|sarge | dam it, deb search is still down ... i really start to hate it |
| 11:14.51 | Eulex | wajig|sarge, you could try pdo.debian.net |
| 11:14.58 | streuner | wajig|sarge: /topic |
| 11:14.59 | robin__ | has been for weeks I think? |
| 11:15.15 | ki6amd | Do I have a BAD aptitude about dpkg, apt-get, etc, or is it just me? |
| 11:15.17 | wajig|sarge | robin, jepp |
| 11:15.24 | nima | robin__, months, i think |
| 11:15.29 | wajig|sarge | omg |
| 11:15.42 | nima | its been a while |
| 11:16.08 | Eulex | ki6amd, first you'd need to apt-get yourself a live ;) |
| 11:16.20 | streuner | luckily we have in debian mostly many options |
| 11:16.32 | Eulex | *life |
| 11:16.39 | streuner | and in this case we have pdo.debian.net now |
| 11:16.50 | streuner | or just use /msg dpkg search |
| 11:17.05 | ki6amd | Eulex don't you mean a "liFe" |
| 11:17.05 | wajig|sarge | streuner, ok. thx |
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| 11:19.09 | TheBest | !tell TheBest about set up x |
| 11:19.10 | TheBest | :) |
| 11:20.24 | dererk | Did any Good Samarian package pilot-mailsync? |
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| 11:20.53 | mhall | anybody need a hand from a thorougly drunk recently arrested debian expert |
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| 11:21.27 | dererk | I tried to find it and isn't anywhere, I don't know why, It's requested since more than 800 days |
| 11:21.42 | dererk | Did anyone here package it? |
| 11:21.52 | mhall | dererk: what stuff |
| 11:22.14 | dererk | mhall, It's to sync mail to pilots |
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| 11:22.36 | Eulex | dererk, no, that it's requested doesn't mean it gets added, and no |
| 11:22.59 | dererk | The main package, pilot-link is already done, but this one, pilot-mailsync isn't yet |
| 11:23.04 | maddoc | mhall: You can tell me what the heck I did wrong when I can't find my ethernet controllers in lspci, running a costum xen0-kernel. With my other kernel I can see them and use them. :-P |
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| 11:23.22 | mhall | maddoc: hmm that's almost as cracktacular as the fuzz |
| 11:23.33 | dererk | Eulex, I know, maybe someone here did it :) |
| 11:23.48 | mhall | maddoc: so what's the word on the street about this xen0 kernel |
| 11:24.13 | deadcat | whats the command to display my current mouse cursor theme? |
| 11:24.23 | maddoc | mhall: The word on the street says that I'm the master of strange errors. :-P |
| 11:24.42 | maddoc | mhall: http://pub.phelia.biz/maddoc/enconf.txt <-- that's the configuration anyways. |
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| 11:25.53 | mhall | maddoc: oof that's off the hook crackenstein |
| 11:26.02 | maddoc | :-P |
| 11:26.07 | mhall | maddoc: what kind of glass dick has your kernel been smokin from? |
| 11:26.15 | Phated | *snort* |
| 11:26.18 | maddoc | mhall: I don't know. >_< |
| 11:26.21 | zach | can anyone help me with java-package? make-jpkg command doesnt work after i apt-get install java-package |
| 11:26.21 | Phated | That's a fuckin' excellent image. |
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| 11:27.36 | maddoc | I must have missed out on some vital part. |
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| 11:28.19 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 11:28.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 11:29.05 | Eulex | zach, ^^ |
| 11:29.11 | mpeter | hi |
| 11:29.25 | zach | "it" isnt part of the phrase "doesn't work" :p |
| 11:29.43 | maddoc | :-D |
| 11:30.02 | Eulex | zach, weĺl, but in what does it not work? |
| 11:30.05 | Eulex | *what way |
| 11:30.06 | zach | defined. make-jpkg, whats it not doing? working :p |
| 11:30.34 | zach | i am trying to use the command |
| 11:30.50 | zach | fakeroot make-jpkg |
| 11:31.38 | nima | how can i replace every instance of gmplayer with totem in /etc/mailcap? |
| 11:31.52 | Eulex | zach, you need to supply it the self-extracting java binary... |
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| 11:31.53 | nima | i really dont want to do it by hand |
| 11:32.08 | mpeter | i'm trouble using alsa after upgrade from 2.6.12 to 2.6.15 |
| 11:32.21 | Eulex | nima, man sed |
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| 11:33.50 | mpeter | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
| 11:34.14 | Eulex | nima, cat filename | sed "s/gmplayer/totem/g" > filename, I think |
| 11:34.16 | mpeter | anyone? :) |
| 11:34.21 | Eulex | mpeter, tried running alsaconf? |
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| 11:34.27 | mpeter | yes |
| 11:34.40 | Eulex | mpeter, and did it find your sound card? |
| 11:34.42 | nima | thanks, Eulex |
| 11:35.34 | mpeter | yes, but i have a following error: AC'97 1 does not respond - RESET |
| 11:35.36 | borzki | Is it possible to close disc/session after burn? |
| 11:37.18 | mpeter | with 2.6.12, everything works fine |
| 11:37.19 | Eulex | mpeter, very likely a kernel issue. where did you get your 2.6.15 kernel from? |
| 11:37.40 | mpeter | in deb pkg |
| 11:37.52 | mpeter | source |
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| 11:38.14 | maddoc | mhall: Well, you haven't got a clue either? :-> |
| 11:38.29 | Eulex | mpeter, what did you base your kernel config on? |
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| 11:39.16 | mpeter | my kernel config is the same like 2.6.12 (sorry for my poor english) |
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| 11:40.17 | Eulex | mpeter, you could try basing your kernel config on the one that ships with the debian 2.6.15 kernel image. |
| 11:40.51 | nima | fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck |
| 11:41.13 | nima | "Read /etc/mailcap: 0 lines" |
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| 11:41.32 | Eulex | mpeter, I've had strange failures when compiling a new kernel with a kernel config that is based on a kernel config that is taken from an older debian kernel image |
| 11:41.38 | Eulex | nima, reinstall package :) |
| 11:42.18 | robin__ | YUCK ... htf did konqeror get on here? |
| 11:42.31 | nima | i dont think reading a file and writing to it in the same line work |
| 11:42.39 | mpeter | i have "make oldconfig" |
| 11:42.41 | nima | i think i backed it up, though |
| 11:43.04 | Eulex | nima, "Much of this file is generated automatically by the program "update-mime"." |
| 11:43.58 | robin__ | oh ffs, why the fuck is apt-get upgrade trying to fetch all this stuff from backports.org ... sigh |
| 11:44.08 | Eulex | mpeter, yes, but that's not relevant |
| 11:44.12 | robin__ | it didnt get the thing I anted, but got all the stuff I didnt ant :( |
| 11:44.18 | Eulex | robin__, because you apparently told it to |
| 11:44.32 | robin__ | I filloed the destructions on backports |
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| 11:44.50 | robin__ | added an app/preferences file etc |
| 11:44.54 | robin__ | apt even |
| 11:44.56 | apt | odd |
| 11:44.56 | nima | MUAHAHAHA, accidental backups rock |
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| 11:45.42 | mpeter | sound card works, i have trouble only with the new ac97 bus system |
| 11:46.16 | sigma | if you compile own kernel, create own .config instead taking previous debian kernel |
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| 11:47.02 | Eulex | robin__, once again, apt-cache policy pkgname to see if a package will be upgraded or not... it will upgraded if the candidate is a newer versio than the installed one. |
| 11:47.05 | mpeter | ok, i try to install precompiled 2.6.15 |
| 11:47.36 | Eulex | sigma, yes, get the .config from the kernel image with the same version, then customize as you need |
| 11:47.38 | robin__ | Eulex, always? |
| 11:48.07 | sigma | why would I need debian .config anyway? |
| 11:48.07 | mpeter | thanks,bye |
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| 11:48.26 | Eulex | sigma, it has sane defaults. avoids pebkacs. |
| 11:48.47 | Eulex | sigma, of course, if you know exactly what you need to enable in your kernel config, you don't need it |
| 11:48.55 | sigma | the default of kernel.org is pretty useable |
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| 11:49.31 | robin__ | Eulex, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1801 |
| 11:50.09 | Eulex | robin__, and what does apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox say? |
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| 11:50.14 | robin__ | Eulex, sureley that should stop it using stuffr om backports its not meant too, aprt from mozilla-firefox? |
| 11:50.51 | Eulex | robin__, and also do apt-cache policy pkgname of one of the packages it tried to upgrade that you didn't want it to upgrade. |
| 11:50.51 | robin__ | Eulex, the problem is not with firefox .. its that an apt-get upgrade istrying to use a kernel from backports etc |
| 11:50.56 | TheBest | http://pastebin.com/550964 |
| 11:50.57 | robin__ | ok ... |
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| 11:51.11 | Eulex | robin__, then do apt-cache policy on the kernel package. |
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| 11:52.18 | robin__ | OK ... it says things .. but it means not a lot to me ... |
| 11:52.25 | robin__ | Eulex, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1802 |
| 11:53.37 | amee2k | when i try to start bind i get "main named[3769]: /etc/bind/named.conf.local:1: syntax error near '^M'" in my syslog. line 1 in named.conf.local is blank. why ideas how this happens? |
| 11:53.56 | robin__ | Eulex, I thought the first stanza of my apt preferences would pin all thos packages at 200 |
| 11:54.03 | robin__ | it seems to have got to 500 |
| 11:54.18 | robin__ | no ... |
| 11:54.54 | amee2k | *any ideas |
| 11:54.57 | Eulex | robin__, hmm, that's strange. sorry, I don't know why that happens |
| 11:55.01 | robin__ | stable/main is at 500, backports at 200 ... so it should use main/stable right? |
| 11:55.24 | sigma | amee2k: file should be empty? |
| 11:55.30 | nayyares | i have used smtp-source to test the speed of postfix, with the command "time ./smtp-source -s 20 -l 5120 -m 100 -c -f nayyares@gmail.com -t test.postfix@gmail.com localhost:25" it give me the time it take to generate these 100 emails, but most of them are sent to mailqueue, i want to know the exact time it take to even send it from queue? |
| 11:55.42 | sigma | amee2k: if so delete it create new file with touch |
| 11:56.06 | Eulex | robin__, oh, I know. it's because you've got that strange version of udev installed. therefore it tries to upgrade to the newer version that also has a higher priority |
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| 11:57.41 | robin__ | Eulex, strange version? this is a stock Sarge install ... |
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| 11:58.15 | amee2k | now it works but i don't have my zone configuration without named.conf.local |
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| 11:58.21 | robin__ | higer priorites are 999, lo prisrity is 100 right? |
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| 11:58.33 | parityflag | hello.. |
| 11:58.49 | robin__ | parityflag, what variant? |
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| 11:59.12 | parityflag | variant of what? :P |
| 11:59.20 | robin__ | odd or even parity? |
| 11:59.24 | parityflag | oddddd |
| 12:00.00 | amee2k | i checked the file with a hex editor. no sign of ^M |
| 12:00.00 | robin__ | figured ;) |
| 12:00.08 | parityflag | hey, does anybody experience speed / responsiveness problems with firefox? (after apt-get upgrade it seems to be incredibly slow) |
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| 12:00.45 | robin__ | parityflag, I just put a backport of 1.5 in ... seems fine |
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| 12:01.35 | robin__ | ah, fsckit ... lets have a backports kernel anyway :) |
| 12:01.37 | debtomi | hi all |
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| 12:02.01 | debtomi | i'm looking for an audio SDK, where can i find it? |
| 12:02.20 | parityflag | robin__: backport uhm.. so you can approve that 1.5.01 is slow? |
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| 12:02.32 | robin__ | no .. seems fine from here |
| 12:02.51 | parityflag | aww :( |
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| 12:03.04 | parityflag | my system begins to feel like windows |
| 12:03.09 | iciclebox | how do you use apt-get to get the latest version of firefox, without having to download the latest libraries and dependencies? |
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| 12:03.19 | jonathan` | bye |
| 12:03.31 | robin__ | iciclebox, see http://backports.org |
| 12:03.41 | robin__ | iciclebox, follow the "instructions" page |
| 12:03.45 | Dustbuster | heya, having problems with cacti, anyone able to help? |
| 12:04.09 | robin__ | Dustbuster, try some sort of weedkiller, |
| 12:04.17 | Dustbuster | ... |
| 12:04.21 | iciclebox | robin__: thanks |
| 12:04.23 | Dustbuster | that was uncalled for |
| 12:04.34 | robin__ | oh I dunno |
| 12:04.40 | Dustbuster | u should know what cacti is by now.. its been around long enough |
| 12:04.54 | robin__ | mmm ... never seen it |
| 12:05.01 | Dustbuster | its like mrtg |
| 12:05.03 | Dustbuster | but better |
| 12:05.08 | robin__ | oh, |
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| 12:05.15 | robin__ | better? |
| 12:05.20 | Dustbuster | aparently |
| 12:05.20 | Dustbuster | lol |
| 12:05.39 | robin__ | does it do discovery and stuff like mrtg does for snmp devices? |
| 12:05.46 | iciclebox | what's mrtg? |
| 12:05.52 | iciclebox | or rather what does mrtg do? |
| 12:05.59 | Dustbuster | multi router traffic graphing |
| 12:05.59 | robin__ | iciclebox, grapher for traphic on routers |
| 12:06.10 | robin__ | but can do other stufff too |
| 12:06.19 | robin__ | like server load, disk space etc |
| 12:06.22 | Dustbuster | well |
| 12:06.33 | Dustbuster | yea, its doing all the localhost stuff okay |
| 12:06.42 | Dustbuster | its just the snmp crap its having probs with |
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| 12:07.08 | nayyares | i have used smtp-source to test the speed of postfix, with the command "time ./smtp-source -s 20 -l 5120 -m 100 -c -f nayyares@gmail.com -t test.postfix@gmail.com localhost:25" it give me the time it take to generate these 100 emails, but most of them are sent to mailqueue, i want to know the exact time it take to even send it from queue? |
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| 12:07.46 | xored | how can i "burn" the playlist of amarok ( possible imported in k3b ) to an usb stick easily ? |
| 12:07.59 | debtomi | where can i download FREE the Dolby;EAX;THX; SDK? i really need it... |
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| 12:08.47 | robin__ | debtomi, I dont think there is a free variant .. its licensed technology |
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| 12:09.59 | debtomi | hmm |
| 12:10.26 | robin__ | dolby labs hold a bazillion patents on it ... |
| 12:11.01 | mortal | too bad there are software patents |
| 12:11.14 | robin__ | not software ... |
| 12:11.15 | mortal | it would be no problem if the software was developed in europe |
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| 12:11.38 | robin__ | most of the pro dolby enocders are hardware |
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| 12:12.24 | robin__ | but the reason for its existence is now somwhat dubious |
| 12:12.49 | ChrisW | how can I mount up a file system on a WinXP box on my debian box? |
| 12:12.54 | ChrisW | samba? |
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| 12:13.25 | robin__ | the only use of Dolby was to encode 5 channels of audio into a 2 channel system, and get them back out again ... with digits, we just use 5 channels insted |
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| 12:14.54 | debtomi | hmm, then i'm use OpenAL .. |
| 12:15.01 | ChrisW | yeah, btu agreeing how you put those 5 channels into a digital stream is still something that needs to be thought about and standardised ;-) |
| 12:15.06 | robin__ | THX is niot so much an encoding format, its more of a complete spec for the audio performance of a cinema, if tis THX certified, you kno they have a certain minimum standard of spekaers, power available , accoustics etc |
| 12:15.09 | ChrisW | and Dolby is the standard trhat stuck... |
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| 12:16.08 | robin__ | ChrisW, sorta, but with digits, its easy to just have 5 discrete channels ... L, R, C, 2 rear |
| 12:16.21 | nayyares | i have used smtp-source to test the speed of postfix, with the command "time ./smtp-source -s 20 -l 5120 -m 100 -c -f nayyares@gmail.com -t test.postfix@gmail.com localhost:25" it give me the time it take to generate these 100 emails, but most of them are sent to mailqueue, i want to know the exact time it take to even send it from queue? |
| 12:17.15 | ChrisW | anyway, fun though yet another OT convo is, anyone know the answer to my question about WIndows and Debian boxes living together in sweet harmony? |
| 12:17.28 | robin__ | SAMBA :) |
| 12:17.55 | ChrisW | yes, but can I mount a windows box _onto_ my debian box uysing Samba? |
| 12:17.59 | robin__ | although your level of harmony may vary |
| 12:18.04 | ChrisW | (I already know how to do it the other way round ;-) ) |
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| 12:18.09 | TBBle | ChrisW: cifs then |
| 12:18.11 | robin__ | mmm .. if it has a share, yes |
| 12:18.21 | ChrisW | cool :-) |
| 12:18.26 | ChrisW | robin__: how then ;-) |
| 12:18.30 | robin__ | waiy, I find you a line from fstab |
| 12:18.33 | ChrisW | TBBle: what's cifs? |
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| 12:19.02 | nima | i hate aptitude, it keeps trying to get rid of stuff i use |
| 12:19.11 | TBBle | ChrisW: The filesystem driver for mounting windows/samba shares on linux. You'll need the smbmount pacakge. |
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| 12:19.42 | robin__ | /graphics-server/echange /mnt/echange smbfs username=chris,password=wibble 0 0 |
| 12:19.52 | robin__ | ooh close .. |
| 12:20.02 | ChrisW | # dpkg -l smbmount |
| 12:20.03 | ChrisW | No packages found matching smbmount. |
| 12:20.06 | robin__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.08 | TBBle | Hmm. smb-mount? |
| 12:20.09 | robin__ | thats better |
| 12:20.20 | ChrisW | robin__: thanks ;-) |
| 12:20.27 | TBBle | smbfs is the Win98-type of cifs |
| 12:20.28 | robin__ | yeah, guess thats how its doing it, smb-mount |
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| 12:20.54 | ChrisW | what package is smbmount in? |
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| 12:20.59 | ChrisW | not having much joy finding it :-/ |
| 12:21.46 | Jasmine[LK] | Hrmm |
| 12:21.46 | ChrisW | anyway, back laters, need t oshower and tidy my house ;-) |
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| 12:21.46 | TBBle | ChrisW: Umm, apt-cache search maybe. I thought it was smbmount. And you really want mount.cifs, which is in the same package... mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point -ouser=user,pass=pass etc. |
| 12:21.54 | robin__ | cifs? |
| 12:21.55 | Eulex | robin__, well, that version of udev you've got surely ain't the one in sarge. |
| 12:21.57 | robin__ | wassat? |
| 12:22.12 | Jasmine[LK] | anyone here know much about configuring audio etc ? : |
| 12:22.14 | Jasmine[LK] | :| |
| 12:22.19 | robin__ | Eulex, eh? really? coo. its a week old Sarge netinstall .... |
| 12:22.35 | TBBle | Cifs is the windows/samba file sharing protocol from Win2K onwards. Works a whackload better than smbfs. |
| 12:22.51 | robin__ | TBBle, coo |
| 12:23.00 | sigma | ChrisW: smbfs: usr/bin/smbmount |
| 12:23.09 | simbo1 | is this the right place to ask about cdbs? |
| 12:23.34 | Eulex | robin__, the one in sarge is 0.056-3. the one you've got is 0.074-3.sarge.mtu1. |
| 12:23.41 | Jasmine[LK] | hrmm |
| 12:24.09 | robin__ | Eulex, wrong |
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| 12:24.36 | robin__ | Eulex, th one I have is 0.081-0bpl |
| 12:24.41 | robin__ | or soem sucj |
| 12:24.50 | robin__ | so dpkg -l says anyway |
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| 12:25.08 | Eulex | robin__, then you've upgraded since you pasted the output of apt-cache policy udev |
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| 12:25.13 | Jasmine[LK] | could i get some help with ermm.. audio stuff? |
| 12:25.20 | Jasmine[LK] | =\ |
| 12:25.32 | robin__ | Eulex, ahh, yes, I just klet it run, |
| 12:25.34 | robin__ | my bad |
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| 12:25.45 | sigma | !ask |
| 12:25.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:25.47 | Eulex | robin__, you should downgrade, as that udev requires a 2.6.12 kernel or newer |
| 12:26.04 | robin__ | true ... |
| 12:26.08 | robin__ | wait .. abck later |
| 12:26.26 | Jasmine[LK] | o.o |
| 12:27.33 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], make your question more specific :) |
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| 12:27.45 | Jasmine[LK] | :) I can try.. |
| 12:27.46 | Jasmine[LK] | lol |
| 12:27.49 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], and don't ask to ask :) |
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| 12:28.43 | parityflag | hello |
| 12:28.45 | parityflag | again |
| 12:29.02 | coolpix | lol |
| 12:29.16 | Jasmine[LK] | My audio works fine.. with my main speakers.. I can listen to music etc etc.. But I downloaded Teamspeak, and when I plug in my headset XMMS says that My soundcard is being blocked.. Yet on Teamspeak, it automatically mutes me and doesn't let me use my mic or headphones -.^ and I haven't been able to find any help for it -.- .. Well not any that actually makes sense lol... =\ Im a bit noobish at nix -.- |
| 12:29.19 | parityflag | maybe the wrong channel, but can anybody tell me how to change the window manager used by gnome? |
| 12:29.19 | Jasmine[LK] | Hows that :) |
| 12:29.24 | coolpix | lo :) |
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| 12:30.16 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], so basically, you get trouble when you try to make several programs use your soundcard at the same time? |
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| 12:30.30 | Jasmine[LK] | Yesh o.o |
| 12:30.51 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], are you using alsa or oss? (check in the xmms settings) |
| 12:30.57 | Jasmine[LK] | er |
| 12:31.00 | Jasmine[LK] | 2 secs. |
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| 12:31.17 | parityflag | Jasmine[LK]: so you should you use Arts or something alike... |
| 12:31.29 | Jasmine[LK] | oss |
| 12:31.37 | Jasmine[LK] | Arts? |
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| 12:32.04 | Eulex | parityflag, no, he shouldn't |
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| 12:32.38 | nerdy2 | parityflag, start gconf-editor and look at desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager |
| 12:32.53 | crypt_ex | Is there a way I can see a list of all the known bugs for testing in BTS? |
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| 12:33.49 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils, then run alsaconf. then change all programs you use that use sound to use alsa instead of oss. |
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| 12:34.02 | Jasmine[LK] | Okey |
| 12:34.27 | Jasmine[LK] | I'll try that.. Brb :] |
| 12:34.47 | nima | yup, aptitude officially sucks |
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| 12:36.51 | parityflag | nerdy2: this key in gconf is deprecated... and nothing seems to change when I set it to /usr/bin/xfwm4 |
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| 12:37.34 | parityflag | Eulex: can you explain me why arts shouldnt be used? |
| 12:38.05 | nerdy2 | parityflag, hmm |
| 12:38.35 | nerdy2 | what about system > preferences > session |
| 12:38.48 | Jasmine[LK] | Erm.. Do i want to probe legacy ISA cards? |
| 12:38.55 | nerdy2 | you could replace metacity there with xfwm4 |
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| 12:40.23 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], is your sound card an isa one? what kind of sound card do you have? |
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| 12:40.44 | Jasmine[LK] | Uhm.. Not sure.. :$ |
| 12:41.03 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], lspci -- does it list your sound card? |
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| 12:41.24 | Eulex | parityflag, nowadays, alsa does software mixing. You don't need a sound server if you just want mixing. |
| 12:41.37 | parityflag | Eulex: ok. |
| 12:41.59 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound |
| 12:41.59 | Jasmine[LK] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:42.03 | Jasmine[LK] | is that it? o.o |
| 12:42.14 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], yes, that's probably it |
| 12:44.07 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], could you pastebin the full output of lspci? |
| 12:44.19 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 760/M760 Host (rev 02 |
| 12:44.19 | Jasmine[LK] | ) |
| 12:44.19 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SG86C202 |
| 12:44.19 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS964 [MuTIOL Media I |
| 12:44.19 | Jasmine[LK] | O] (rev 36) |
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| 12:44.40 | Jasmine[LK] | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.42 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:03.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller |
| 12:44.44 | Jasmine[LK] | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.46 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:03.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller |
| 12:44.48 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fa |
| 12:44.50 | Jasmine[LK] | st Ethernet (rev 90) |
| 12:44.52 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:05.0 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 018 |
| 12:44.54 | Jasmine[LK] | 0 (rev 01) |
| 12:44.56 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:09.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics V.92 56K WinModem |
| 12:44.59 | Jasmine[LK] | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.00 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:0b.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Control |
| 12:45.02 | Jasmine[LK] | ler (rev 80) |
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| 12:45.04 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge |
| 12:45.08 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge |
| 12:45.09 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], please *don't* paste here |
| 12:45.10 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge |
| 12:45.11 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 12:45.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:45.12 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge |
| 12:45.14 | Jasmine[LK] | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661FX/M |
| 12:45.15 | R_engel_ | Jasmine[LK], use pastebin.com |
| 12:45.16 | Jasmine[LK] | 661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP |
| 12:45.18 | Jasmine[LK] | that wasn't smart was it -.- |
| 12:45.22 | Jasmine[LK] | o.o |
| 12:45.22 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], stop it |
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| 12:45.30 | Jasmine[LK] | im |
| 12:45.31 | Jasmine[LK] | uhm |
| 12:45.35 | Jasmine[LK] | not .. |
| 12:45.40 | Jasmine[LK] | err not meaning to at least |
| 12:45.41 | Jasmine[LK] | ack |
| 12:45.42 | Jasmine[LK] | =\ |
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| 12:46.20 | Jasmine[LK] | =\ i'm sorry o.o |
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| 12:47.33 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], it's ok |
| 12:47.44 | Jasmine[LK] | http://pastebin.com/551013 |
| 12:47.45 | Jasmine[LK] | >< |
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| 12:49.06 | mgg | anyone here worked with cacti? |
| 12:49.37 | Dustbuster | aha thats just what i need help with |
| 12:50.02 | mgg | Dustbuster: ? |
| 12:50.17 | Dustbuster | i need help with cacti too |
| 12:50.25 | mgg | was i reading your mind? |
| 12:50.32 | Dustbuster | lol |
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| 12:50.40 | mgg | Dustbuster: did you get it working? |
| 12:50.50 | Dustbuster | i got it to log localhost stuff |
| 12:50.57 | Dustbuster | i.e. mem usage, CPU usage |
| 12:51.04 | Dustbuster | just cant get it to log traffic |
| 12:51.39 | mgg | Dustbuster: i need to know if how i can log other clients mem usage and cpu, bandwidth etc |
| 12:51.48 | Dustbuster | ummm |
| 12:51.58 | Dustbuster | not sure on that one tbh |
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| 12:52.31 | mgg | Dustbuster: i need to know what do i install in those other clients to give to the cacti server |
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| 12:52.53 | Dustbuster | i dont know |
| 12:52.57 | Dustbuster | ive never had to do that |
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| 12:53.14 | mgg | that's kool |
| 12:53.42 | parityflag | Jasmine[LK]: so... your sound is working now? you have a SiS SI7012 with ALC650 onboard sound |
| 12:53.43 | asg | mgg: often, SNMP is used on remote systems to provide pollable data. |
| 12:53.49 | peej | problem: debootstrap --arch ARCH sarge /mnt/hda7 http://http.us.debian.org/debian gives me E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-ARCH/Packages |
| 12:53.55 | Jasmine[LK] | my sound is working now yeh |
| 12:54.20 | Jasmine[LK] | but when i open up Teamspeak, it mutes me, and xmms quits working saying my sound device is being blocked.. |
| 12:54.30 | peej | before that, it is: I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release |
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| 12:55.15 | peej | !dpkg debootstrap? |
| 12:55.15 | dpkg | it has been said that debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 12:55.28 | mgg | asg: i kinda gathered that, i was wondering what do i install on the clients to give back the info to my cacti or snmpd server |
| 12:55.53 | amee2k | what does bind accept as suffix for "minutes" in SOA records? |
| 12:56.18 | mgg | what does SOA stand for? |
| 12:56.27 | amee2k | Start Of Authority |
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| 12:56.47 | Numloxx | g'day all |
| 12:56.48 | mgg | ahh |
| 12:56.52 | mgg | ty |
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| 12:57.17 | Numloxx | i'm having trouble getting sound working on my HP ePC C10 with debian |
| 12:57.17 | Garp | Hi. |
| 12:57.19 | Numloxx | just wondering if anyone can help me? |
| 12:57.39 | amee2k | mgg: np :) |
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| 12:57.59 | crypt_ex | Is there a way I can see a list of all the known bugs for testing in BTS? |
| 12:58.03 | sigma | Numloxx: which sound card? |
| 12:58.05 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], to make two applications able to output sound at the same time, you need to have alsa setup and both applications need to use alsa, and not the oss-emulation in alsa. |
| 12:58.29 | Garp | Question: I'm using debian testing. Where can I get some info about what is going on in that release? Fox example, I saw today a quite large update of several pkgs (gcc4 and kde stuff mostly). Is there any formal place where I can be informed about it? Thanks. |
| 12:58.38 | EdLin | crypt_ex: the debian-devel-announce list publishes a weekly list of release critical bugs. It's pretty long though. |
| 12:58.50 | Numloxx | sigma it's a i810 chipset, but i got a feeling the sound card (onboard, one of those tiny pc's the size of a phoine book) is CS4299 Crystal Clear Sound Fusion AC97 |
| 12:59.06 | amee2k | I'm not sure whether 'M' is interpreted as Month or Minutes (an no idea how to try) |
| 12:59.07 | Garp | Eulex: cant it also be done in hadware with some multicanal sound card ? |
| 12:59.07 | sigma | Numloxx: lspci |
| 12:59.07 | Jasmine[LK] | Okey.. So when I was installing this alsa thing.. it said something do you want to probe legacy ISA cards? This could make your system unstable.. Do I or don't i? o.o |
| 12:59.25 | Numloxx | ahh |
| 12:59.30 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: do you have an isa cxard ? |
| 12:59.32 | parityflag | it's not an ISA card. |
| 12:59.33 | Numloxx | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio (rev 02) |
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| 12:59.43 | Eulex | Garp, sure, but oss still doesn't support several applications outputting sound at the same time. |
| 12:59.44 | Numloxx | now what? |
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| 12:59.54 | sigma | Numloxx: now you know it, load the driver or compile it into kernel |
| 13:00.16 | Eulex | Numloxx, have you installed alsa-base and alsa-utils and tried running alsaconf? |
| 13:00.20 | Jasmine[LK] | Garp: I'm not sure ? |
| 13:00.27 | Jasmine[LK] | o.o |
| 13:00.28 | Numloxx | so am i right in thinking it's the i810_audio driver? |
| 13:00.30 | Garp | Eulex: hum... yes. Right. |
| 13:00.36 | Numloxx | Eulex alsaconf fails to pick it up |
| 13:00.38 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: how old is you PC? |
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| 13:00.44 | Jasmine[LK] | Uhh.. a year? |
| 13:00.48 | Eulex | Numloxx, hmm, ok |
| 13:01.09 | Numloxx | and when i try to insmod i810_audio it fails saying lots of unresolved umm things.. lol |
| 13:01.14 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: if less that 2: no chance, if less than 5 not much. If older than 5 years old, you may have ISA. |
| 13:01.16 | Eulex | Numloxx, you could try manually modprobing the drivers. |
| 13:01.23 | lu | alguem afim d tc comigo |
| 13:01.26 | Eulex | Numloxx, you shouldn't insmod it, modprobe it instead |
| 13:01.29 | Eulex | !es |
| 13:01.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:01.35 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: then you likely dont even have any ISA port, not to mention ISA sound card. |
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| 13:01.54 | ChrisW | hmm, is smbmount in the smbfs package |
| 13:01.59 | Numloxx | HOLY FU** |
| 13:02.01 | Jasmine[LK] | Then why does this install want to probe it >.< |
| 13:02.02 | ChrisW | and is the smbfs package what does cifs? |
| 13:02.02 | Numloxx | it's working!!! |
| 13:02.03 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: you most likely have a PCI sound card, and dopnt bother prpbing for ISA |
| 13:02.05 | Jasmine[LK] | I'm confused =\ I'm sorry |
| 13:02.09 | Jasmine[LK] | Okay |
| 13:02.10 | Numloxx | err |
| 13:02.21 | Eulex | Numloxx, haha, yw :) |
| 13:02.22 | Numloxx | like... homer kissing ned flanders type of kissing.. ok.. |
| 13:02.28 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: do 'lspci' in a root console, you'll see your sound card. |
| 13:02.33 | Numloxx | not implying i'm gay or anything lol |
| 13:02.39 | Jasmine[LK] | >< I already did that lol |
| 13:02.49 | oldman | apologies for asking something that has probably been asked 1000 times before, but why does a udev upgrade conflict with "gnome-desktop-environment gnome-volume-manager hal" |
| 13:02.52 | Numloxx | thanks so much |
| 13:02.52 | parityflag | so you can choose NO when you're asked for ISA probing |
| 13:02.56 | Jasmine[LK] | parityflag Jasmine[LK]: so... your sound is working now? you have a SiS SI7012 with ALC650 onboard sound |
| 13:03.03 | Numloxx | Eulex now, will i have to run modprobe every time i reboot? |
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| 13:03.28 | Eulex | Numloxx, you can put the module name in /etc/modules to make it load on boot |
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| 13:03.37 | Numloxx | oki doki |
| 13:03.43 | TimFreeman | I'm running XFree86 4.3.0 under Sarge. I have a game that wants 8 bit pseudocolor, but usually I want 24 bit pixels. I have working XFree86Config-4 files for either configuration, but how do I switch depths without having ... |
| 13:03.43 | TimFreeman | to be root? |
| 13:03.57 | Numloxx | modules.conf ? |
| 13:04.01 | lu | hi |
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| 13:04.24 | Numloxx | what line would i have to add for that? just the mod name? |
| 13:05.00 | Eulex | Numloxx, no, just /etc/modules. just add a new line with the name of the module |
| 13:05.10 | peej | timfreeman: use sudo and restart x? how do games do it? |
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| 13:05.21 | Jasmine[LK] | I did "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils" then ran alsaconf . . . which went through and said.. "No supported PnP or PCI card found. Would you like to probe legacy ISA soundcards/chips? Yes/No |
| 13:05.28 | Numloxx | ahh rightio... thought /etc/modules was a directory name |
| 13:05.43 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: that's more annoying :( |
| 13:05.52 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: do you have a sound card on your PC? |
| 13:05.54 | Numloxx | ok, gonna reboot, thanks for ur help again |
| 13:06.00 | Jasmine[LK] | >< Yes i have a sound card |
| 13:06.01 | Numloxx | god bless all debian penguin lovers :) |
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| 13:06.27 | Jasmine[LK] | I did what Eulex told me to do -.- |
| 13:06.49 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: it looks good to me, but... It should have found a card |
| 13:07.08 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], oh, what kernel are you running? |
| 13:07.13 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: do you have a sound card on your machine ? |
| 13:07.51 | Jasmine[LK] | Eulex: 2.4 |
| 13:07.53 | Jasmine[LK] | Garp: yes |
| 13:07.54 | Jasmine[LK] | -.- |
| 13:07.58 | Eulex | Garp, he does. |
| 13:07.59 | parityflag | people, she _has_ her sound running, just mixing isnt working yet. |
| 13:08.11 | parityflag | by the way.. jasmine is 'she', right? |
| 13:08.23 | Jasmine[LK] | Aye lol |
| 13:08.29 | parityflag | hehe |
| 13:08.30 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], then you need to install the alsa modules for your kernel |
| 13:08.35 | Garp | parityflag: depends, dmy computer is a 'she' ;) |
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| 13:08.49 | parityflag | lol |
| 13:08.54 | Deified | o.o |
| 13:08.55 | Jasmine[LK] | oo hi baby. |
| 13:08.57 | Jasmine[LK] | -.- |
| 13:08.58 | Deified | heya love |
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| 13:09.13 | Eulex | parityflag, yes, she had sound. but it was oss sound, which doesn't do any mixing |
| 13:09.16 | Jasmine[LK] | Eulex: how do I do that? |
| 13:09.39 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], what does uname -ar say? |
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| 13:09.51 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: can you probe the pci bus by 'lspci' and report to us if something looks like a sound card on it? |
| 13:09.53 | Jasmine[LK] | Linux jasmine 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:10.04 | Jasmine[LK] | ....... |
| 13:10.06 | Jasmine[LK] | I have. |
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| 13:10.08 | Jasmine[LK] | A sound card. |
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| 13:10.16 | Jasmine[LK] | for the billionth time =( |
| 13:10.20 | Garp | Jasmine[LK]: yes, but then it will say *which one* :) |
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| 13:10.22 | Jasmine[LK] | Hang on I'll .. er.. get that thingie |
| 13:10.22 | Eulex | Garp, http://pastebin.com/551013 |
| 13:10.25 | Jasmine[LK] | Yeah there |
| 13:10.27 | Jasmine[LK] | thanks :) |
| 13:10.48 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 13:10.51 | Deified | Girls always gets more help than boys :( |
| 13:11.00 | Jasmine[LK] | oki |
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| 13:11.19 | Garp | Deified: that's why like him, I use femninmne nicks when I want help :) |
| 13:11.33 | Deified | its not him |
| 13:11.34 | Deified | o.o |
| 13:11.34 | Deified | lol |
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| 13:11.38 | blondie | how can I tell what resolution X is using? |
| 13:11.39 | Jasmine[LK] | =\ I'm a girl |
| 13:11.43 | Jasmine[LK] | very much so lol |
| 13:11.44 | Deified | indeed |
| 13:11.46 | Deified | o.o |
| 13:11.49 | Deified | thats proven1 |
| 13:11.50 | Deified | lol |
| 13:11.50 | Garp | OK, have to go, lunch time :) |
| 13:11.52 | Jasmine[LK] | lol |
| 13:11.55 | Jasmine[LK] | Cya Garp thx |
| 13:11.57 | Garp | have fun |
| 13:12.00 | Garp | see ya. |
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| 13:12.15 | Deified | can anyone tell me where my apt mirror list thingy is |
| 13:12.15 | Deified | o.o |
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| 13:12.25 | blondie | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:12.25 | Eulex | blondie, xdpyinfo |grep dimensions |
| 13:12.29 | Deified | ty blondie |
| 13:12.29 | blondie | k |
| 13:12.30 | Jasmine[LK] | Okey, finished installing the alsa modules |
| 13:12.44 | jeffrin | is ttyUSB0 treated as a serial port |
| 13:12.47 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], now, try running alsaconf again |
| 13:12.50 | Jasmine[LK] | ok |
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| 13:13.35 | adub | how do i play dvds that are backed up on my hard drive in mplayer |
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| 13:14.19 | Jasmine[LK] | oki.. it ran through and installed that time |
| 13:14.27 | Sharcho | Is there an easy way to make Gentoo startup scripts work in Debian? |
| 13:14.29 | TBC_Lyon | Hello everybody :) When I mount my initrd (mount -oloop -tcramfs ...), is it normal that I have some broken links ? |
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| 13:14.56 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], nice :) |
| 13:15.28 | TBC_Lyon | (in fact, I want to modify my initrd to ad a module and remove some) |
| 13:15.32 | Eulex | adub, you could try putting it on a loop device |
| 13:15.43 | Eulex | adub, man losetup |
| 13:16.17 | Jasmine[LK] | >< and I went to XMMS , preferences, changed it from oss to alsa...applied.. and went to check it.. and it says "Please check that your soundcard is configured properly you have the correct out put plugin selected, no other program is blocking the soundcard. " |
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| 13:16.41 | parityflag | device files set up properly? |
| 13:17.11 | Jasmine[LK] | I would check that how? |
| 13:17.26 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], could you try playing an mp3 file with mpg123 -o alsa filename? |
| 13:17.39 | Jasmine[LK] | o.o I could try hang on |
| 13:17.41 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], you'd need to install mpg123, of course. |
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| 13:17.56 | Jasmine[LK] | ;) usually helps |
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| 13:18.29 | blondie | hm |
| 13:18.57 | blondie | I had to reinstall debian on a machine that the harddisk died in, but now it won't do more than 640x480 in X :| |
| 13:19.14 | blondie | I haven't setup XF86 any different afaik |
| 13:19.38 | blondie | how can I tell it to do 1280x1024 instead? |
| 13:19.41 | Eulex | blondie, well, what driver did you use? what resolutions did you tell it to use? |
| 13:19.59 | blondie | the driver is nv, and the resolutions in the config are "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
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| 13:20.12 | Eulex | blondie, checked your X log? |
| 13:21.37 | blondie | hm |
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| 13:22.38 | cusco | how do I apply a patch .diff ? |
| 13:22.47 | cusco | to a small script |
| 13:22.50 | Deified | anyone kno where i can download debian with the newest kernel ? |
| 13:22.55 | asg | cusco: using 'patch(1)' |
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| 13:22.59 | blondie | maybe it's the horizontal sync |
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| 13:24.10 | Deified | anyone kno where i can download debian with the newest kernel ? |
| 13:24.13 | Deified | iso |
| 13:24.21 | Eulex | Deified, why? |
| 13:24.26 | Deified | why? |
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| 13:24.29 | Deified | why what o.o |
| 13:24.46 | blondie | ah yes :) |
| 13:24.50 | Eulex | Deified, why do you want a debian installer with the newest kernel? |
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| 13:25.28 | Deified | cuz i keep having problems trying to upgrade my own kernel to 2.6, so i think it would be alot easier downloading a 2.6 iso and reinstalling debian with it |
| 13:25.30 | xerophyte | what are the best linux magazines worth subscribe ??? |
| 13:25.30 | TBC_Lyon | apt-get dist-upgrade :D |
| 13:25.30 | Deified | ? |
| 13:25.40 | Deified | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:25.40 | Deified | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.00 | TBC_Lyon | Deified> Download latest debian stable CD (3.1r1) on boot type linux26 :) And you wom ;) |
| 13:26.01 | TBC_Lyon | won |
| 13:26.05 | _rene_ | obviously you try to install etch/sid packages on sarge |
| 13:26.10 | _rene_ | don't do that. |
| 13:26.19 | nailbiter | Deified: Also, 'libc6' is not the kernel. It's the base C library. |
| 13:26.22 | TBC_Lyon | Sarge is already available with 2.6 kernels. |
| 13:26.27 | Deified | i kno that nailbiter |
| 13:26.38 | jeffrin | when i do cat /dev/ttyUSB0 it shows "Input/output error " |
| 13:26.56 | Deified | i cant upgrade libc6, because my country which i chose the mirror at, doesnt upgrade their packages or something, so i dont get the newest stuff |
| 13:26.59 | _rene_ | soon that will be more interesting since sid now gets a new lib, making etch/sid mixes also a problem wrt libc :) |
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| 13:27.29 | Deified | so i would need to change my sources.list to us mirrors, that would work |
| 13:27.30 | Deified | lol |
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| 13:27.38 | nailbiter | Deified: The reason 'amsn' requires a newer version of libc6 than you have is because it's been built against etch or sid, the next candidate release of Debian |
| 13:27.39 | Deified | but i dunno where to find the links |
| 13:27.48 | _fatbrain | Hello, what's the newest stable release of Debian? |
| 13:28.01 | nailbiter | Deified: So you'd either have to upgrade to etch/sid (not really recommended unless you know what you're doing), or find a backport of 'amsn' to Sarge |
| 13:28.09 | Eulex | Deified, apt-setup. |
| 13:28.10 | asg | _fatbrain: 3.1r1 |
| 13:28.24 | Deified | k ill try apt-setup |
| 13:28.25 | Deified | =p |
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| 13:29.31 | _fatbrain | asg: thanks |
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| 13:32.50 | fatbrain | yet another question, what .iso should I download= (i386) |
| 13:32.52 | fatbrain | ? |
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| 13:33.07 | Dustbuster | netinstall? |
| 13:33.19 | fatbrain | ok |
| 13:33.37 | Dustbuster | it downloads everything it needs, from the internet |
| 13:34.01 | sigma | fatbrain: first time linux? |
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| 13:36.03 | Jasmine[LK] | Eulex... -.- mpg123 doesn't want to install properly... lol... |
| 13:36.04 | Numloxx | heya all, sound works, but i'm having some troubles getting the recording level and input right |
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| 13:37.09 | Deified | whats a .orig file o.o |
| 13:37.18 | abrotman | the original |
| 13:37.22 | Deified | oh |
| 13:37.26 | Deified | ty =p |
| 13:37.28 | abrotman | or origami |
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| 13:37.44 | abrotman | yes .. i know i spelled it wrong |
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| 13:38.02 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], in what way? |
| 13:38.27 | nikko | hi.. how to get vfork.h? someone... |
| 13:38.41 | Eulex | !tell nikko about search |
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| 13:39.21 | Jasmine[LK] | Ahm... I go to make <-- Says choose system <-- Err.. I use make generic <-- errors with Undefined references ... |
| 13:39.32 | TBC_Lyon | How can I modify an initrd content ? after having mounted the cramfs file, I can't modify it. If I copy contents, I have hard links failures... Where am I wrong ? |
| 13:39.37 | Eulex | Jasmine[LK], ? |
| 13:39.38 | asg | nikko: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:40.01 | Jasmine[LK] | umm |
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| 13:42.09 | Jasmine[LK] | http://pastebin.com/551111 |
| 13:42.13 | nailbiter | TBC_Lyon: cramfs is a read-only filesystem. You'll have to make a copy of it, change the copy and then re-pack it |
| 13:42.24 | overnout | why the xserver-xorg package wants to remove nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev ? |
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| 13:42.56 | TBC_Lyon | nailbiter> How to copy it ? When I do a simple cp -pr, i have hard links failures. |
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| 13:43.11 | TBC_Lyon | nailbiter> And I'm unable to recreate them. |
| 13:43.19 | nailbiter | TBC_Lyon: Use 'cramfsck -x' to unpack the cramfs image to a directory |
| 13:43.28 | nailbiter | TBC_Lyon: Also, it would have been 'cp -a'. |
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| 13:45.10 | Numloxx | can anyone tell me how to set the recording volume for line in, and not the line in playback volume? |
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| 13:45.40 | adub | none of my video players will play full screen for me i have a wide screen laptop?? |
| 13:45.47 | bilis | hello. I am to buy a laptop but have been having trouble finding conclusive info. is it worth going to centrino duo core or should i stick to single core centrinos or perphaps turion 64? |
| 13:45.54 | TBC_Lyon | nailbiter> Great... cramfsck worked fine :p |
| 13:46.05 | Eulex | adub, what X driver are you using? |
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| 13:46.16 | bilis | I am planning to run debian testing! so compatibility is also a issue if you know of any |
| 13:46.29 | Eulex | !laptop |
| 13:46.30 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 13:46.32 | Eulex | bilis, ^^ |
| 13:46.39 | rosa | hi i just used the command : chmod 777 /media/hdb1 and would like to this setting saved for the coming sessions like after i shut down... how do i save it |
| 13:46.48 | rosa | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.56 | Eulex | bilis, and google for a laptop model and linux when you've found something interesting |
| 13:47.24 | Eulex | rosa, what file system is /media/hdb1? |
| 13:47.37 | rosa | reiserfs |
| 13:47.47 | bilis | Eulex ok. thanks. |
| 13:47.50 | adub | Eulex well it was hard for me to get X server working I have an ati radeon express 200m graphics hard |
| 13:47.58 | rosa | oh, soorry wrong command |
| 13:48.04 | rosa | onei mean |
| 13:48.07 | adub | how can i check which X driver I am using? |
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| 13:48.10 | TBC_Lyon | nailbiter> let's go for a try :p |
| 13:48.10 | nailbiter | rosa: How did you mount /media/hdb1? With a manual 'mount' command? Or did you put it in your /etc/fstab? |
| 13:48.20 | nailbiter | TBC_Lyon: Good luck ;-) |
| 13:48.20 | _memic | hey cool at least every peace of hardware is working in my x40 |
| 13:48.27 | rosa | hdparm -d1 -X udma /dev/hdb and also hda |
| 13:48.34 | Eulex | adub, are you on stable or testing/unstable? |
| 13:48.37 | adub | my widescreen works perfectly right now with just applications but for watching video it will not do widescreen full scren mode |
| 13:48.56 | adub | stable |
| 13:49.14 | Jasmine[LK] | >< must make food i'll bbs to pester y'all some more =| |
| 13:49.25 | Eulex | adub, check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:49.57 | adub | dunno what im looking for as far as the x driver |
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| 13:50.31 | Eulex | adub, look in the device section |
| 13:52.13 | adub | oh im in the wrong channel im on ubuntu |
| 13:52.23 | Eulex | heh |
| 13:52.26 | adub | i dont know how much effect that plays on this |
| 13:52.43 | rosa | http://rafb.net/paste/results/585qzI39.html |
| 13:52.46 | Eulex | well, I don't think the current stable version of ubuntu has /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:52.46 | adub | but my xorg.conf has fglrx |
| 13:52.54 | adub | no it has xorg.conf |
| 13:53.39 | peej | before that, it is: I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release |
| 13:53.47 | peej | problem: debootstrap --arch ARCH sarge /mnt/hda7 http://http.us.debian.org/debian gives me E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-ARCH/Packages |
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| 13:54.13 | Eulex | adub, you could try putting Option "VideoOverlay" "on" in the device section. you could also see what the command xvinfo says. other than that, you'll have to consult #ubuntu :) |
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| 13:58.47 | Eulex | peej, hehe |
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| 14:10.32 | [vinyl] | hi there. i am running an nfs kernel server on debian sid. everything is pretty much ok, i can mount and access the shares without problems. writing on an export is no problem at all, while reading from the share is really slow (only a couple of bytes per second on a 100mbit net). all iptables-rules are set to accept (just for the test), everything looks ok in syslog. has anyone ever seen anything like that? |
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| 14:11.10 | zimm2 | anyone had any luck putting debian on a toshiba qosmio f20 ?? cant find anything after an hour of googling ... |
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| 14:11.19 | Eulex | !laptop |
| 14:11.19 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 14:11.23 | Eulex | zimm2, ^^ |
| 14:11.45 | zimm2 | Eulex, nuffink on there mate :( |
| 14:11.58 | Eulex | zimm2, also, if someone has manage to put another distro on it, debian will probably work. |
| 14:12.02 | Eulex | *managed |
| 14:12.42 | zimm2 | Eulex, all i can find is stuff for the G series , which has two hd's .. this makes it easier to avoid losing the embedded tv/dvd player .. |
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| 14:13.18 | Eulex | zimm2, is that qosmio f20 a new model? |
| 14:13.59 | Eulex | zimm2, you could wait a while and see if anyone has bought it and put linux on it in a month or so |
| 14:14.07 | zimm2 | umm, its last years .. just bought it .. think the new one is the f25, but minimal diff... the G series is the bells and whistles one .. |
| 14:14.26 | Eulex | zimm2, I dunno |
| 14:14.58 | zimm2 | Eulex, think waiting may well be my best option .. just hoping .. :) |
| 14:15.00 | peej | vinyl: dunno. but to start tackling, you can try to isolate the problem to network or nfs or disk. Maybe collisions, or screwy disk (dmesg may give a clue?) |
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| 14:15.45 | zimm2 | Eulex, pretty sure i can get it to work .. just dont want to lose the embedded stuff .. cant even get into the bios on this damn thing .. lol .. |
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| 14:16.06 | Eulex | zimm2, hmm, ok |
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| 14:16.39 | zimm2 | single boot would be easy, but dual - and keeping full functionality may be tric`ky .. |
| 14:16.44 | crypt_ex | Anyone recommend a money management app for Linux? |
| 14:16.45 | zimm2 | >tricky |
| 14:16.50 | abrotman | gnucash |
| 14:16.58 | crypt_ex | ta |
| 14:17.06 | mpoer | I'm about to upgrade mozilla thunderbird to 1.5, but not from a debian package since we don't have it yet. is there anyting i should know before installing a .tar.gz over a .deb? |
| 14:17.25 | abrotman | it'd be better not to |
| 14:17.34 | freeone3000 | Remove the contents of the old folder so you don't get overwrite queried five hundred times. |
| 14:17.47 | freeone3000 | Or remember to use that line thing... |
| 14:17.57 | abrotman | or install it only in your directory .. or use stow |
| 14:18.02 | mpoer | good tip |
| 14:18.04 | mpoer | what's stow? |
| 14:18.11 | abrotman | !info show sarge |
| 14:18.13 | abrotman | or |
| 14:18.17 | abrotman | !info checkinstall sarge |
| 14:18.18 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 14:18.24 | abrotman | !info stow sarge |
| 14:18.31 | dpkg | stow: (Organiser for /usr/local/ hierarchy), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.3.3-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 14:18.33 | crypt_ex | mpoer, does the new version of Thunderbird have a must av feature then ;) |
| 14:18.57 | mpoer | newest calendar extension |
| 14:18.59 | abrotman | doubtful .. 1.5 is barely an upgrade at all :) |
| 14:19.06 | abrotman | use sunbird! |
| 14:19.14 | mpoer | i want the integration |
| 14:19.22 | mpoer | with the mailing of alerts and such |
| 14:19.37 | mpoer | wait... is there a sunbird package? |
| 14:19.42 | mpoer | (debian package) |
| 14:19.46 | abrotman | bloat! .. use cron/at and cat! |
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| 14:19.55 | abrotman | mpoer: oh .. dunno |
| 14:19.58 | abrotman | !info sunbird sid |
| 14:20.06 | abrotman | guess not yet |
| 14:20.10 | mpoer | lame |
| 14:20.15 | abrotman | cry |
| 14:20.32 | mpoer | man... if i cared a little bit more i could be a developer |
| 14:20.40 | mpoer | actually, i care enough, i just don't know what it involves :( |
| 14:20.44 | abrotman | !nm |
| 14:20.44 | dpkg | hmm... nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 14:20.45 | abrotman | !mg |
| 14:20.46 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
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| 14:21.18 | abrotman | mpoer: knock yourself out :) |
| 14:21.23 | [vinyl] | peej: well, on the nfs server itself reading is no problem, so it shouldn't be the hard drive. i also tried several clients, all had the same effect. dmesg doesn't show anything unusual. scp works fine from and to the server, so i don't think it is the network. well, the longer i think about it - i should try nfs over tcp. maybe there is a problem with udp - haven't tested that. thanks anyways. |
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| 14:21.39 | mpoer | indeed I will! |
| 14:22.26 | mpoer | thanks guys. I'll just use the .tar.gz sunbird for now i suppose. i'll let you konw when i make a working .deb for sunbird and/or new thunderbird :) |
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| 14:23.07 | abrotman | mpoer: check the WNPP |
| 14:23.11 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 14:23.12 | dpkg | i guess wnpp is Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
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| 14:23.48 | mpoer | k |
| 14:23.49 | [vinyl] | peej: that's it. mounting the nfs share over tcp makes everything work just fine. so there should be a network problem. |
| 14:23.50 | abrotman | mpoer: it might already be in progress |
| 14:24.10 | mpoer | good point. thunderbird does have a wide user base |
| 14:24.22 | dvs | 273 packages to upgrade in etch?!? Yikes! |
| 14:24.22 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:24.29 | abrotman | !info thunderbird experimental |
| 14:24.35 | abrotman | dvs: gnome ? |
| 14:24.46 | dvs | abrotman: gnome, kde, and X |
| 14:24.52 | abrotman | dvs: my panels are missing ;) |
| 14:25.03 | abrotman | dvs: results may vary .. i think paulswm got his to work |
| 14:25.07 | dvs | abrotman: nice. But I'm using KDE now |
| 14:25.08 | chigvan | hello, i've installed alsa and got it working, but everytime i shut down and restart, it wont work, i have to go through the whole alsaconf thing again, any ideas how to make it permanent? |
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| 14:25.24 | dvs | chigvan: add the snd_ modules to /etc/modules |
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| 14:25.50 | chigvan | dvs thanks I try that |
| 14:25.59 | chigvan | i meant I'll try that |
| 14:26.13 | dvs | chigvan: OK. I'll work |
| 14:26.19 | dvs | It'll work |
| 14:26.21 | mpoer | i'll look into everything. thanks guys :) |
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| 14:29.30 | cyzie | anyone try this before? <laptop> -- - - - - <wireless access point>----------------<debian> where debian allocated IP address (DHCP) to laptop based on MAC address in laptop ? the wireless access point merely function as middle man from wire medium to wireless medium |
| 14:31.18 | jetscreamer | i have 2 jfs partitions. i have a functional debian installation on one. i install etch to the other. on reboot, the preexisting grub installation on the first debian is unable to read the jfs partition's files. i erase the 2nd partiton, reformat with jfs, and untar my nifty backup of the virgin install. grub works fine. i update my new debian partition and reboot. grub can't read the new installation's files. i have also |
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| 14:32.15 | brlancer | cyzie: if the WAP is setup as a router, you need to configure a dhcp helper on it, to forward DHCP requests on to the debian box |
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| 14:34.54 | Daemon666 | anyone here use postfix and know how i can enable someone with a dynaic IP to use SMTP with pop-before-smtp installed? |
| 14:35.01 | cyzie | brlancer, the WAP act merely as bridge/switch. no router fucniton. |
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| 14:36.23 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 14:36.41 | maddoc | cyzie: Then it should work fine. |
| 14:36.48 | jeffrin | iam trying to use irattach with a usb port in serial emulation |
| 14:37.05 | cyzie | mmm...okay maddoc brlancer , i shall give it a try ;) |
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| 14:37.18 | jeffrin | iam getting a message like cannot get serial info |
| 14:37.35 | jeffrin | please help me out |
| 14:38.24 | ledet | jeffrin: are these messages in your head or "external"... and are you getting them in some particular context? |
| 14:38.35 | ledet | :P |
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| 14:39.27 | ledet | jeffrin: anyway... what sort of device are you trying out? |
| 14:40.25 | jeffrin | iam trying to connect my laptop to mobile phone using a USB dongle with serial emulation |
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| 14:41.38 | jeffrin | ledet : are you there ? |
| 14:41.42 | ledet | jeffrin: yes... |
| 14:42.15 | ledet | jeffrin: by "usb dongle" you mean some sort of infrared device? |
| 14:42.16 | TBC_Lyon | I want to change my SATA card by another brand one... What changes must I do ? I already compiled another initrd image, but it seems to be not sufficient. |
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| 14:42.58 | ledet | TBC_Lyon: and youre sure that there is kernel support for you particular sata controller? |
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| 14:43.02 | jeffrin | ledet : yes |
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| 14:43.33 | pLaToOn | moin |
| 14:43.42 | TBC_Lyon | ledet> Yes. I think so. It's a silicon image 3112 chip. |
| 14:44.02 | ledet | jeffrin: did you follow some sort of guide or are you just guessing your way about it? |
| 14:44.08 | ledet | TBC_Lyon: stock kernel? |
| 14:44.40 | TBC_Lyon | ledet> I tested both. One stock and one hand-compiled... Same result. I altered my initrd to add the modprobe for sata_sil |
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| 14:45.22 | ledet | TBC_Lyon: hmm... i would have hoped that the stock kernel would have worked :) |
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| 14:45.42 | jeffrin | ledet : i doing this with net documents , chat channels and me |
| 14:45.55 | ice_1963 | back to sarge |
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| 14:47.14 | TBC_Lyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.20 | bingo | salut |
| 14:47.42 | TBC_Lyon | ledet> sata_promise is one of the first of the list in loadmodules (in my initrd) |
| 14:47.48 | smhar | hello guys |
| 14:48.04 | ledet | TBC_Lyon: unload that one... and try loading the other one then |
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| 14:48.30 | TBC_Lyon | ledet> I tried to load both modules in the file. Do you think it can corrupt something ? |
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| 14:49.30 | ledet | TBC_Lyon: you mean data... on your disks? |
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| 14:49.40 | TBC_Lyon | ledet> data and system. |
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| 14:50.07 | rudachmed | i want to install debian, where can i download the OS? |
| 14:50.08 | ledet | TBC_Lyon: data corruption: possible, but unlikely... system damage: wouldnt think so |
| 14:50.11 | smhar | I have a very strange problem with debian. I can not get network to run. I tried Stable (Sarge) DVD, and Testing (Etch) netinst and both have the same problem. Th enetwork card (builtin intel chipset) is working fine in both Windows and using Knoppix 4.0 Live |
| 14:50.14 | rudachmed | im linux newbie |
| 14:50.28 | Eulex | !d-i rudachmed |
| 14:50.29 | dpkg | rudachmed, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:50.46 | rudachmed | ok dpkg |
| 14:50.51 | ledet | TBC_Lyon: you could try some sort of cd based debian wannabe system... and try loading modules etc |
| 14:50.56 | Eulex | smhar, what chipset? |
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| 14:51.32 | TBC_Lyon | ledet > Actually, i have both modules loaded, promise first, and sil second... Will try to boot on another debian system :p (an IDE disk) |
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| 14:51.49 | smhar | Eulex, Intel(R) PRO/100 VE |
| 14:51.52 | Eulex | smhar, an intel pro wireless? |
| 14:52.10 | smhar | Eulex, no, not wireless |
| 14:52.17 | ledet | TBC_Lyon: you _could_ consider doing a backup before you mess too much around with you disks :) |
| 14:52.19 | Eulex | smhar, ah, wired. can't help you then, haven't got any experience with those |
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| 14:53.40 | ledet | TBC_Lyon: if you have both controllers present in your system, both modules should be loaded... otherwise only the module that fits your hardware should load |
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| 14:54.03 | smhar | when I asked this question in many channels and forums I got, choose another distro X, it is wonderful and can recognize everything. but I want Debian] |
| 14:54.32 | Eulex | smhar, have you tried booting the 2.6 kernel instead of the 2.4 kernel? |
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| 14:55.02 | WinUninstall | Hi all |
| 14:55.05 | smhar | Eulex, I am using the 2.6 kernel in both Stable and testing and Knoppix |
| 14:55.14 | WinUninstall | What is base-config? |
| 14:55.33 | cahoot | smhar: checked what module(s) knoppix loads? |
| 14:55.49 | WinUninstall | I can remove it? |
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| 14:55.58 | Eulex | smhar, hmm, ok. maybe you could try modprobing eepro100 manually? |
| 14:56.10 | Eulex | smhar, http://www.int21.de/eepro100/ |
| 14:56.21 | Eulex | WinUninstall, stable/testing/unstable? |
| 14:56.32 | WinUninstall | Eulex, Testing on PowerPC |
| 14:56.33 | smhar | Eulex, knoppix is using the same e100 module as debian |
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| 14:57.00 | dvs | yay! I survived! |
| 14:57.15 | Eulex | smhar, and that module does not work on debian? |
| 14:57.22 | smhar | Eulex, you can check all info here: http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144470&page=1 |
| 14:57.32 | smhar | Eulex, no |
| 14:57.52 | WinUninstall | Eulex, I can remove it? |
| 14:58.17 | TBC_Lyon | ledet > ok, with the silicon image card, adding an IDE drive, and my box does not boot anymore !!! |
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| 14:58.38 | ledet | TBC_Lyon: try removing both sata controllers... and chekc if you can get your system to boot |
| 14:59.11 | seamus | Hi all - I need to extract the contents of a .img file in order to change one file, then put it back as a .img file. How can I do this ? Thanks. |
| 14:59.33 | Skuz | girl gimmie dat.. |
| 14:59.48 | lavluda | hi |
| 14:59.52 | lavluda | i need help |
| 14:59.56 | Skuz | then ask |
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| 15:00.08 | wireddd | seamus, I think you just mount it |
| 15:00.08 | lavluda | i just deleted some of my files with rm -R command |
| 15:00.15 | Skuz | lol |
| 15:00.15 | Skuz | k |
| 15:00.17 | TBC_Lyon | ledet> If i insert my promise card, my IDE disk boot fine :) |
| 15:00.22 | ledet | seamus: if it had been a .iso file i would have told you to just mount it and make your changes... dong known about -img files though |
| 15:00.32 | EdLin | !undelete |
| 15:00.32 | dpkg | i guess undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 15:00.33 | Skuz | img files are ISO's |
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| 15:00.39 | Skuz | seriously, just rename it to .iso |
| 15:00.40 | lavluda | how can i recover the data |
| 15:00.43 | Skuz | they are compiliant |
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| 15:00.50 | Skuz | lavluda its gone |
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| 15:00.57 | seamus | wireddd: can I mount it as an .iso and it will be writable ? |
| 15:01.01 | Skuz | yes |
| 15:01.04 | lavluda | what, no way? |
| 15:01.11 | Skuz | you deleted the files.. its your own fault |
| 15:01.26 | Skuz | if you rm a file its not by accident, you typed it |
| 15:01.29 | allan | Whenever I boot up, the login prompt appears at the bottom of the screen, with startup text above it. How do I get it to clear the screen when finishing startup, so it will be it the top? |
| 15:01.59 | Eulex | smhar, hmm, the problem is more complex than I thought. |
| 15:02.05 | ledet | lavluda: perhaps e2undel can help you |
| 15:02.07 | lavluda | yea, but i done unfortunatly |
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| 15:02.22 | lavluda | i was trying to cp |
| 15:02.25 | wireddd | seamus, lavluda waht fs |
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| 15:02.32 | Eulex | smhar, so knoppix manages to get a dhcp lease while debian doesn't? |
| 15:02.33 | lavluda | thanks ledet |
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| 15:02.37 | lavluda | i am trying |
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| 15:02.44 | lavluda | where can i get this? |
| 15:02.52 | ledet | lavluda: apt-get install e2undel |
| 15:02.55 | seamus | it's a minix img - need to edit one file - running inside bochs |
| 15:02.57 | lavluda | fat32 |
| 15:03.00 | lavluda | ok |
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| 15:03.06 | ledet | lavluda: oh... fat32... |
| 15:03.07 | guttermutt | hi folks, I have a drive mounted with a fat32 fs but only root can write and delete on it. What should I change so that all users can do this? |
| 15:03.17 | ledet | lavluda: then e2undel probably cant help you |
| 15:03.17 | lavluda | also |
| 15:03.31 | allan | How do I make my system run "clear" after starting up but before displaying the login prompt? |
| 15:03.34 | lavluda | rediserFs |
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| 15:04.30 | lavluda | i deleted data from to partitaon |
| 15:04.34 | lavluda | partation |
| 15:04.41 | lavluda | two partation |
| 15:04.41 | allan | partition? |
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| 15:05.01 | lavluda | one fat32 and another is reiserFS |
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| 15:05.47 | tyranix | seamus: minix 2 or 3 image? If it's a minix 2 image, mount it using -o loop and -t minix. IIRC the FS changed for minix3 and that may not work. |
| 15:05.50 | lavluda | allan: i just install the e2undel |
| 15:06.01 | ledet | lavluda: then e2undel probably cant help you |
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| 15:06.19 | lavluda | i lost data from resierFS |
| 15:06.32 | seamus | tyranix: it's 2.0.4 |
| 15:07.05 | lavluda | ledet: one of my partation is resierFS, is the e2undel work on it? |
| 15:07.18 | smhar | I think I maybe better post my problem to the debian mailing list |
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| 15:07.34 | lavluda | me? |
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| 15:07.39 | ledet | lavluda: from the name, my guess would be no... e2-things work on ext filesystems |
| 15:07.55 | Deb_Man | anybody has installed debian at IBM Thinkpad T30? |
| 15:08.05 | tyranix | seamus: Then exit bochs, mount the image in Linux on the loopback interface, make your changes, unmount it, and then start bochs back up. That's the safest way if you want to edit it in Linux. |
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| 15:08.51 | tyranix | seamus: unless that *.img file is separate from your minix install. Then do the above but instead of exiting bochs just make sure the img is mounted in only one OS at a time. |
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| 15:09.31 | lavluda | any way to undelete the data from windows or fat32? |
| 15:09.49 | lavluda | *from fat32 |
| 15:09.55 | seamus | tyranix : I do - I hate the Minix editor! I have the .img file separate, so (not running bochs) I can mount it with something like mount -o loop -t minix /mnt/minix ? Do I need to give a /dev ? |
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| 15:10.16 | wireddd | lavluda, there is commercial software to undelete from fat32 partitions |
| 15:10.44 | Eulex | smhar, did you ever try out the second network card you put in the box? |
| 15:10.59 | lavluda | commercial ? no way :( |
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| 15:11.37 | tyranix | seamus: /home/tyranix/minix/transfer.img /transfer minix rw,noauto,user,loop,offset=32768 0 0 # That's what I use for a minix partition that I share between minix and Linux. Unfortunately, I don't remember why I needed the offset. |
| 15:11.38 | tanja | how to use my Irda device in debian? |
| 15:11.49 | smhar | Eulex, yes. I used a working PCI card from another computer, it didn't too. I posted the details of that too in the link I gave you. |
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| 15:13.01 | bingo | hi, since the kernel 2.6.15 is in testing it's impossible to swith from sarge to testing because of Udev package, is there a solution please? |
| 15:13.06 | seamus | tyranix: thanks |
| 15:13.33 | Eulex | smhar, yeah, I saw that. were you sure that the new card was at eth0? |
| 15:13.46 | xoz | yaird+linux-2.6.15 seems to have problem accessing my console during boot. do you know if this is a common problem? |
| 15:14.15 | phu | I was having problems with e2fs today. and fixed by changing the source.list! but now I am having problem with my cf card, which i used as main FS. it automatically changed to read-only. |
| 15:14.23 | gravity | bingo: Remove udev temporarily? I think the release team is still hashing out how to do make the upgrade less painful |
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| 15:14.36 | phu | anyone have idea how to solve it |
| 15:14.45 | goron | How can I completely disable all optimizations in gcc? |
| 15:14.53 | gravity | bingo: You can also put udev on hold I guess... |
| 15:15.03 | Eulex | smhar, ah, sorry, yes you were |
| 15:15.07 | smhar | Eulex, it was recognized as eth0 |
| 15:15.12 | bingo | gravity, I already try that but the 2.6.15 kernel need udev |
| 15:15.36 | gravity | bingo: It needs udev? Like, it won't run without it? I find that hard to believe. |
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| 15:15.38 | bingo | gravity, how to put on hold? |
| 15:15.45 | jetscreamer | gravity i'll be happy to spam my grub error/problem again if you didn't see it ... |
| 15:15.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:16.07 | gravity | bingo: If you're using aptitude in interactive mode, just select the package and hit "=" |
| 15:16.16 | gravity | jetscreamer: I've never run grub in my life, so I'm useless there :-) |
| 15:16.42 | bingo | gravity, ok thank you |
| 15:16.58 | Eulex | smhar, you could try installing pnpbios-tools, then run lspnp -v and see if the devices irq is listed as disabled. if that is the case, you could try setpnp pnp-id-of-the-nic on. |
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| 15:18.45 | Deb_Man | anybody has installed debian at IBM Thinkpad T30? |
| 15:19.19 | napoleao | anyone know a good way to have my debian server share email contacts, so users using just outlook can acecss those sharing contacts? |
| 15:19.27 | Eulex | !laptop |
| 15:19.28 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 15:19.32 | Eulex | Deb_Man, ^^ |
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| 15:19.50 | oldman | !udev |
| 15:19.50 | dpkg | i guess udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
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| 15:20.56 | WinUninstall | I can't boot |
| 15:20.59 | WinUninstall | :( |
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| 15:21.28 | Eulex | smhar, please don't /msg me. but anyway, lspnp and setpnp is worth a try. you could also try using the eepro100 driver instead of the e100 one, or compile a vanilla kernel from kernel.org and see if that works better. |
| 15:21.37 | Andy298 | i've got samba working fine with a couple of shares of hda, now wanting to share hdb but it asks me for a password all the time :( |
| 15:21.47 | WinUninstall | I get Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(0,0) |
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| 15:22.07 | Eulex | WinUninstall, what kernel? |
| 15:22.29 | WinUninstall | Eulex, 2.6.15 |
| 15:22.32 | smhar | Eulex, sorry for /msg you, I just didn't want to flood here |
| 15:22.36 | WinUninstall | Eulex, on PowerPC |
| 15:22.39 | jetscreamer | more like so you compiled a kernel eh |
| 15:22.51 | Eulex | smhar, you could use pastebin.com |
| 15:22.55 | WinUninstall | Eulex, I have debian testing and my root fs is XFS |
| 15:22.55 | xoz | WinUninstall: initrd probably. compiling your own kernel? |
| 15:22.59 | smhar | Eulex, your comments worth trying |
| 15:23.11 | WinUninstall | xoz, No, it is a debian package |
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| 15:23.27 | WinUninstall | linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc |
| 15:23.29 | zebalin7 | Lots of new stuff in etch. Anyone done the full dist-upgrade yet? |
| 15:23.48 | chealer_ | zebalin7: most likely |
| 15:24.02 | Deb_Man | Eilex: i just want to know if Debian have Aironet Wireless support |
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| 15:24.15 | zebalin7 | chealer_: you never sleep??? :-) |
| 15:24.20 | xoz | WinUninstall: have you checked if the initrd image was in grubs menu.lst? |
| 15:24.24 | _rene_ | Deb_Man: which chipset? |
| 15:24.29 | abrotman | zebalin7: i did |
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| 15:24.40 | chealer_ | zebalin7: I just woke up |
| 15:24.43 | zebalin7 | abrotman: all is well then, I assume. |
| 15:24.44 | WinUninstall | xoz, I have yaboot |
| 15:24.48 | zebalin7 | chealer_: me too. |
| 15:24.49 | abrotman | lazy canadians! |
| 15:24.53 | abrotman | zebalin7: hehe .. you wish |
| 15:24.53 | Deb_Man | i don t know, is a Thinkpad T30 |
| 15:25.02 | _rene_ | WinUninstall: still you need to have the initrd... |
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| 15:25.18 | tanja | how to use my Irda device in debian? |
| 15:25.27 | Eulex | !laptop |
| 15:25.28 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 15:25.36 | abrotman | zebalin7: you're a KDE person ? |
| 15:25.38 | Eulex | Deb_Man, looked at those sites yet? |
| 15:26.01 | Deb_Man | yeah man |
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| 15:26.05 | Deb_Man | i read that page |
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| 15:26.07 | Deb_Man | well |
| 15:26.08 | Andy298 | HELP: i've got samba working fine with a couple of shares of hda, now wanting to share hdb but it asks me for a password all the time :( |
| 15:26.13 | Deb_Man | i am installing now |
| 15:26.16 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I'll wait a couple days to see how etch goes. I notice that the new udev causes hal to be dropped. yes, i'm kde mostly. |
| 15:26.19 | abrotman | !samba |
| 15:26.19 | dpkg | from memory, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
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| 15:26.55 | abrotman | zebalin7: i can't comment on KDE .. In gnome I'm missing my panels .. not a big deal .. everything still works . i just dont' have applets/etc |
| 15:27.00 | h- | i tried apt-get install an pkg and it hung so I ctrl-c it. Now it wants me to do a dpkg --configure -a, but it seemed to resume the hung installation (and I'd have to kill -HUP it) How do I get out of this? |
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| 15:27.23 | abrotman | h-: how long did you wait ? |
| 15:27.39 | h- | abrot: since last night? :) |
| 15:27.42 | zebalin7 | abrotman: well the big thing in the updgrade is the 'new' kde 3.5. If stuff breaks, it will be in there. |
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| 15:27.55 | abrotman | zebalin7: one can only hope :) |
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| 15:28.45 | Eulex | h-, what package? |
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| 15:29.05 | h- | btw, i'm completely new to debian and have to hit the man page of dpkg everytime |
| 15:29.07 | Eulex | zebalin7, not necesarilly. xorg 6.9.0 is in testing too now. |
| 15:29.08 | abrotman | and how slow is the comuter? |
| 15:29.09 | h- | eulex: gstreamer |
| 15:29.11 | zebalin7 | abrotman: my bet is the kde 3.5 will run fine. It is whether some of the older kde apps will work ok (konversation, kopete, etc.) You can never be sure with Sid or Etch. |
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| 15:29.30 | abrotman | zebalin7: as long as the dependencies are worked out |
| 15:29.32 | zebalin7 | Eulex: I've never had X problems on ugrades. |
| 15:29.40 | WinUninstall | _rene_, I have the initrd |
| 15:29.54 | Eulex | h-, stable/testing/unstable? |
| 15:30.03 | Andy298 | HELP: i've got samba working fine with a couple of shares of hda, now wanting to share hdb but it asks me for a password all the time :( |
| 15:30.06 | h- | stable |
| 15:30.10 | _rene_ | then you either have it not in yaboot.conf or configured something else wrong |
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| 15:30.23 | _rene_ | or the initrd wasn't generated correctly |
| 15:30.28 | abrotman | Andy298: ask #samba |
| 15:30.32 | zebalin7 | abrotman: last night I upgraded to the 2.6.15 kernel for etch. I saw no change in performance. |
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| 15:30.48 | abrotman | zebalin7: neither did i .. except my beep stopped working |
| 15:30.53 | pbrunier | blabla |
| 15:31.39 | Eulex | abrotman, pc speaker stopped working? odd |
| 15:31.46 | zebalin7 | abrotman: all sound or just the pc speaker? |
| 15:31.52 | abrotman | Eulex: yes .. no more beeps! |
| 15:31.57 | abrotman | zebalin7: no more system beeps |
| 15:32.38 | zebalin7 | If you go back to the older kernel, does beep still work? |
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| 15:33.14 | abrotman | dunno .. not that upset... it's useful .. but i'll muck with it later |
| 15:33.19 | ledet | how do i know which "exit" was called in a preinst script? |
| 15:33.27 | Eulex | abrotman, hmm, my beep doesn't work here on 2.6.14 either... not that I care, though |
| 15:34.19 | zebalin7 | Eulex: is there a command for beep? (It's not 'beep' as it is in DOS). |
| 15:34.21 | abrotman | certainly seems odd |
| 15:34.24 | abrotman | !beer |
| 15:34.24 | dpkg | beer is probably liquid gold mate |
| 15:34.26 | abrotman | !beep |
| 15:34.26 | dpkg | it has been said that beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 15:34.36 | gravity | buggy is right |
| 15:34.44 | abrotman | nothing .. |
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| 15:34.49 | blondie | I'm so emo |
| 15:34.57 | abrotman | gravity: what happened to 7? |
| 15:35.03 | WinUninstall | _rene_, I have it in yaboot.conf |
| 15:35.04 | gravity | abrotman: polish polish polish |
| 15:35.05 | WinUninstall | :( |
| 15:35.11 | h- | eulex: so any pointer on how to fix this broken pkg ? |
| 15:35.12 | abrotman | gravity: german? |
| 15:35.16 | abrotman | gravity: SNOW! |
| 15:35.21 | gravity | SNOW! |
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| 15:35.39 | abrotman | gravity: i got .. 12-15 .. with drifts of 24 :) |
| 15:35.48 | gravity | I have no idea what I've got :-) |
| 15:35.58 | Eulex | h-, I dunno. is strange that it happens on stable. you could force-remove it, remove the downloaded deb and then try to apt-get install it again. |
| 15:35.59 | abrotman | gravity: go outside! .. |
| 15:36.09 | gravity | abrotman: Nah, I'm working on 7! |
| 15:36.19 | abrotman | gravity: snowball fight? |
| 15:36.22 | zebalin7 | abrotman: my beep works with 2.6.15-1-686 kernel |
| 15:36.23 | gravity | heh |
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| 15:36.38 | adii | what should i do to get kde with etch ? just apt-get install kde ? |
| 15:36.51 | chealer_ | adii: ask #debian-kde |
| 15:36.57 | Eulex | adii, probably |
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| 15:37.03 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 15:37.04 | dpkg | from memory, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 15:37.06 | h- | eulex: i'm ready to just remove the whole gstream pkgs ... is there any easy way to remove any pkg with gstream* ? |
| 15:37.10 | abrotman | zebalin7: i wonder why it doesn't work |
| 15:37.32 | jetscreamer | why is utf-8 unreadable in console by default with a stock install, or at least very messed up |
| 15:37.44 | jetscreamer | with ncurses based programs |
| 15:37.59 | zebalin7 | abrotman: obviously you re-ran alsaconf? |
| 15:38.16 | zebalin7 | I had zero sound after kernel upgrade 'til I did that. |
| 15:38.19 | abrotman | no |
| 15:38.23 | abrotman | i have sound though |
| 15:38.25 | abrotman | just not beeps |
| 15:38.48 | zebalin7 | could not hurt to re-run alsaconf. |
| 15:38.51 | abrotman | i am |
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| 15:39.06 | abrotman | gravity: snowball fight + chowder! |
| 15:39.20 | Eulex | h-, apt-get remove gstream* may be enough |
| 15:39.32 | gravity | hahaha |
| 15:39.39 | adii | is there big difference between using "apt-get remove" and "dpkg -r" ? |
| 15:39.43 | abrotman | zebalin7: nope |
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| 15:39.59 | abrotman | gravity: not at the same time .. you could hurt yourself if you got hurt with a spoon in your mouth |
| 15:40.07 | gravity | Ha! |
| 15:40.15 | abrotman | beep damn you! |
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| 15:40.28 | Daveman | haha |
| 15:40.37 | abrotman | gravity: erm .. hit with a spoon in your mouth :) |
| 15:40.42 | jeffrin | is there any package to connect irda stack to the irda port other than irda-utils |
| 15:40.46 | abrotman | Daveman: i have .. TONS of snow |
| 15:40.53 | Daveman | ;D |
| 15:40.53 | MiSs | hello ;) |
| 15:40.54 | tyranix | abrotman: Do you have the 'pcspkr' loaded? When I rmmod that, I don't have a beep either. |
| 15:40.58 | Eulex | adii, apt-get remove will remove stuff that depends on the package you remove. I don't think dpkg -r will let you remove a package other packages depend on unless you use --force-remove |
| 15:41.05 | abrotman | tyranix: yep . it's loaded |
| 15:41.06 | Daveman | abrotman, yeah, I'm running on 2ft :o |
| 15:41.16 | abrotman | Daveman: you're in MD? |
| 15:41.20 | h- | eulex: thanks |
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| 15:42.11 | Eulex | h-, you're welcome |
| 15:42.14 | zebalin7 | abrotman: you thinnk a reboot might help? I doubt it, but with kernels you never know. |
| 15:42.27 | abrotman | zebalin7: i have |
| 15:43.07 | jeffrin | is there any package to connect irda stack to the irda port other than irda-utils |
| 15:43.13 | jeffrin | is there any package to connect irda stack to the irda port other than irda-utils |
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| 15:43.22 | Deb_Man | i am installing debian, but there is a error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:43.22 | zebalin7 | hmmm. old kernel beep. new kernel has no beep. other sound is fine. I need to think this one out. |
| 15:43.26 | Deb_Man | is normal? |
| 15:43.51 | ledet | Deb_Man: if something goes wrong, yes... that is normal |
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| 15:44.20 | Deb_Man | ????? |
| 15:44.33 | abrotman | zebalin7: lsmod says nothing is using pcspkr |
| 15:45.01 | Daveman | abrotman, central NJ ;p |
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| 15:45.11 | zebalin7 | abrotman: are you on a laptop? |
| 15:45.15 | abrotman | yep |
| 15:45.20 | Daveman | abrotman: absolut ownage |
| 15:45.22 | Daveman | ;D |
| 15:45.30 | Daveman | speaking of which! |
| 15:45.30 | abrotman | Daveman: trenton? or more like monmouth |
| 15:45.35 | Daveman | I NEED to post this pic! |
| 15:45.39 | zebalin7 | You done alsamixer? |
| 15:45.43 | abrotman | yep |
| 15:45.46 | Daveman | abrotman, wtf? like between them both? |
| 15:45.48 | abrotman | all levels seem fine |
| 15:45.48 | zebalin7 | hmmm |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | Daveman: there's stuff there? |
| 15:45.56 | Deb_Man | ledet: what do you mean? |
| 15:45.57 | Daveman | monmouth is north and trenton is south, both about the same distance |
| 15:46.02 | Daveman | abrotman, hahahhahahahaahhaha |
| 15:46.10 | abrotman | Daveman: you're on 78! |
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| 15:46.17 | Daveman | 78? |
| 15:46.27 | abrotman | Daveman: have you ever had *the burger* at the clinton diner? |
| 15:46.39 | Daveman | :D :D :D |
| 15:46.41 | abrotman | Daveman: the highway .. interstate 78 |
| 15:46.44 | ledet | Deb_Man: i mean that: yes, dpkg should exit if something if wrong with a package... that is normal |
| 15:46.46 | Daveman | yes, I'm aware |
| 15:46.58 | abrotman | Daveman: farther north ? |
| 15:46.59 | zebalin7 | abrotman: you're in gnome. Is there something in gome where it takes over the sound and won't release it... like in kde? |
| 15:47.11 | abrotman | zebalin7: esound should be not installed |
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| 15:48.11 | Eulex | Deb_Man, on which does this happen? how far into the installation? there should be a tty that lists all info about how everything is being setup, and it may have more info than that dpkg returned an error. |
| 15:48.49 | Deb_Man | ok |
| 15:48.59 | dererk | Did anyone try to compile pilot-mailsync package? |
| 15:49.05 | Deb_Man | Eulex: by default, debian install X? |
| 15:49.22 | abrotman | Daveman: you haven't had the burger at the clinton diner? |
| 15:49.23 | Deb_Man | or i have to install it later? |
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| 15:49.50 | sandos2 | is there any way to not have to use "clean" between every build with make-kpkg? |
| 15:50.07 | sandos2 | it doesnt seem to add newly added modules for example if I dont clean and then kernel-image.. |
| 15:50.41 | zebalin7 | abrotman: you got this for your kernel (via locate): /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/input/misc/pcspkr.ko |
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| 15:51.26 | Eulex | Deb_Man, no |
| 15:51.50 | Eulex | Deb_Man, if you choose to install a desktop system, it will, though. |
| 15:52.03 | Eulex | Deb_Man, otherwise, just apt-get install x-window-system |
| 15:52.11 | abrotman | Daveman: http://www.clintonstationdiner.com/zeus.htm |
| 15:52.43 | britt_ | I need some regex syntax help...I have a command, rm -rf `locate *.m4a` and the output from that, when using echo, is one large line-wrapped line, while I need individual lines with quotes on them. rm thinks a foldername is actually a switch (-N) and its giving me crap. |
| 15:52.46 | h- | reboot |
| 15:53.10 | Eulex | britt, you could try xargs |
| 15:53.39 | abrotman | zebalin7: yep |
| 15:54.19 | thingfish | I reckon I could handle the one pound burger. |
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| 15:54.29 | thingfish | on a good day, that is. |
| 15:54.49 | zebalin7 | abrotman: modprobe pcspkr ???? (just going through the debug steps... no judgements being made here.) |
| 15:55.00 | Eulex | 1 pound burger? O_o |
| 15:55.04 | zebalin7 | (I'm sure you've done all this stuff.) |
| 15:55.05 | britt_ | Eulex: im afraid that after reading that man file, i dont understand how to pipe one program to another. this seems simpler |
| 15:55.22 | zebalin7 | What laptop are you using that won't beep? |
| 15:55.32 | abrotman | zebalin7: it's already in . i put it in /etc/modules yesterday when i noticed . booted lappie this AM . no change |
| 15:55.51 | abrotman | thingfish: want to see a picture of one? .. i ate it .. and the fries . and cole slaw |
| 15:55.53 | Eulex | britt_, you could use it like locate *.m4a| xargs rm -rf |
| 15:55.59 | abrotman | thingfish: and i'm not a big guy :) |
| 15:56.06 | abrotman | zebalin7: G40 |
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| 15:56.10 | abrotman | erm m.. IBM TP G40 |
| 15:56.18 | thingfish | abrotman: sure, although I looked at the website and saw the pics. |
| 15:56.31 | britt_ | Eulex: seriously? Thats the correct usage? |
| 15:56.36 | abrotman | thingfish: oh .. that burger is nothing |
| 15:56.42 | zebalin7 | abrotman: ummm. I assume you don't have it muted via the Fn+something key??? |
| 15:56.57 | thingfish | abrotman: yeah, I mean you eat a triple wendy's, and you're 3/4 of the way there. And I can eat a triple wendy's anytime. |
| 15:57.04 | abrotman | thingfish: http://www.dennysbeerbarrelpub.com/burger.htm |
| 15:57.14 | tyranix | britt_: I would do this: locate -0 -r '.*\.m4a$' | xargs -0 ls -l # And then replace ls with rm after you're sure it's what you want. |
| 15:57.21 | abrotman | zebalin7: it's possible .. if i could find the key :) |
| 15:57.26 | thingfish | this is making me hungry. |
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| 15:57.47 | abrotman | zebalin7: guess not .. no such button |
| 15:57.48 | Eulex | britt_, yes, this will make xargs run rm -rf on every file it receives on stdin. |
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| 15:57.53 | zebalin7 | abrotman: it has a pix of a speaker on it ??? |
| 15:57.54 | thingfish | Damn! That's not a hamburger pattie, that's a minor planet! |
| 15:58.03 | tyranix | britt_: You don't want to use '*.m4a' because that's not a regex. It will match on 'file.m4a.new' as well. You want to use a regex here. And you also want to use -0 so it outputs \0 instead of newlines (so files with spaces don't screw you up). |
| 15:58.07 | abrotman | zebalin7: no .. i think i was just trying to kill my wifi :) |
| 15:58.07 | Deb_Man | Eulex: if X was installed (should be, bacuse i choose Deskto), where can i find it? |
| 15:58.13 | britt_ | Eulex: omg. Thank you very much |
| 15:58.13 | britt_ | :) |
| 15:58.18 | Deb_Man | Eulex: /usr/bin? |
| 15:58.28 | Eulex | Deb_Man, /usr/X11R6 |
| 15:58.44 | zebalin7 | abrotman: on my old IBM 600e it's on the page-up and page-down key. |
| 15:58.53 | Deb_Man | is not there |
| 15:59.01 | Deb_Man | Eulex: ???? |
| 15:59.12 | Deb_Man | so then it was no installed? |
| 15:59.13 | Eulex | britt_, you should probably use tyranix' proposal, he seems to have more experience |
| 15:59.15 | abrotman | thingfish: i ate it all |
| 15:59.24 | abrotman | zebalin7: no such button |
| 15:59.31 | abrotman | zebalin7: and i tried the tpb program |
| 15:59.33 | Eulex | Deb_Man, no. /usr/X11R6 is a directory, btw |
| 15:59.36 | thingfish | damn, abrotman. You were feeling a little peckish that day? |
| 15:59.39 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:59.56 | abrotman | thingfish: sadly .. it was for this big day long party . i couldn't drink til about 6pm :) |
| 16:00.09 | thingfish | oh hehe |
| 16:00.15 | Daveman | abrotman: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11988558@N00/98735447/ :P |
| 16:00.24 | zebalin7 | abrotman: the mute on my old IBM is on the backspace key. Fn+Backspace will mute the speaker on mine. |
| 16:00.30 | thingfish | abrotman: how long did it take you? |
| 16:00.30 | Deb_Man | Eulex: yes i know is a dir, but that dir no exist |
| 16:00.31 | abrotman | Daveman: kick ass! |
| 16:00.39 | britt_ | Eulex: thx. that might help. |
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| 16:00.45 | Eulex | Deb_Man, then you haven't got X installed. |
| 16:00.51 | abrotman | thingfish: 30 minutes .. i think .. the fries were the hardest part .. the burger was gone before it was cold :) |
| 16:00.56 | britt_ | tyranix: on what do you mean? xargs or regex? |
| 16:01.01 | abrotman | thingfish: my frinds always pick on me .. |
| 16:01.06 | lilalinux | since i switched to 2.6.15-1-k7 and purged hotplug, i get tons of "udevd-event ... run_program" errors at startup, is that a known problem? |
| 16:01.06 | Daveman | abrotman :P |
| 16:01.15 | abrotman | zebalin7: seems to do nothing |
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| 16:01.26 | thingfish | 30 minutes? wow. |
| 16:01.33 | zebalin7 | abrotman: hmmm. |
| 16:01.44 | abrotman | thingfish: i went for a friends wedding .. went to a BW3 .. i ate .. 40 or so wings |
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| 16:01.50 | Deb_Man | Eulex: i am using apt-get install x-window-system, but there is requesting dependencies |
| 16:01.53 | abrotman | thingfish: and i was still hungry :( |
| 16:02.11 | Eulex | Deb_Man, of course. X is big. |
| 16:02.12 | Deb_Man | what option is used to check deps? |
| 16:02.21 | abrotman | zebalin7: and it's like ... how the hell do you debug that :) |
| 16:02.21 | thingfish | abrotman: sounds like you need to start hitting the eating competition circuit. |
| 16:02.24 | tyranix | britt_: I mean you need to properly constrain what matches. Locate -r 'regex' lets you do that. And you should use -0 otherwise files with spaces will screw you up. |
| 16:02.25 | Eulex | Deb_Man, apt-cache show x-window-system. |
| 16:02.34 | abrotman | thingfish: no way .. i watched one over the summer .. it's freaking gross |
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| 16:02.42 | zebalin7 | abrotman: does the thing give you 2 beeps when you do a cold start? |
| 16:02.47 | thingfish | abrotman: yes it is. |
| 16:02.50 | abrotman | zebalin7: hrm .. dunno |
| 16:02.52 | Deb_Man | Eulex: yes, but when i install software at Ubuntu it install all deps automatically |
| 16:03.01 | Deb_Man | at debian what i have to do? |
| 16:03.01 | tyranix | britt_: Try this: locate ' ' | xargs ls -l # and watch at how it bombs out. That's why you need to use -0 on locate and xargs so they don't break at spaces. And it's also why you shouldn't use rm -r. :) |
| 16:03.06 | abrotman | thingfish: though .. the annual party where they go eat those is two weeks from now |
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| 16:03.15 | britt_ | tyranix: alright i'll try that out. xargs is saying something about unmatched single quotes |
| 16:03.18 | abrotman | zebalin7: i'd have to restart to check .. speaking of which . .i did a BIOS update the other day |
| 16:03.20 | thingfish | abrotman: you going? |
| 16:03.26 | zebalin7 | abrotman: some laps do a 2-beep 'ok' memory signel. |
| 16:03.29 | abrotman | thingfish: not sure yet .. but if i go ..more pictures! |
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| 16:03.35 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:03.48 | thingfish | cardiologist will be on hand, I hope? |
| 16:04.16 | zebalin7 | abrotman: not sure there is anything in the bios about beep, but I'm not a bios expert. |
| 16:04.16 | abrotman | thingfish: that actually was an eating contest .. friendly though .. the guy who won .. ate the burger .. and an order of fries .. instead of the sdie . the order of fries .. 3 times that many friees |
| 16:04.17 | Daveman | heh |
| 16:04.42 | zebalin7 | You say if you boot to old kernel you get the beep back? |
| 16:04.43 | thingfish | yeah I could eat the burger but fries fill you up fast. |
| 16:04.53 | tyranix | britt_: This is not working for you? locate -0 -r '.*\.[mM]4[aA]$' | xargs -0 ls -l |
| 16:04.55 | thingfish | although they look like good fries. |
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| 16:04.59 | abrotman | zebalin7: i didn't try .. i could |
| 16:05.16 | tyranix | that's if you want both upper and lower case matches (and combinations of the two). |
| 16:05.21 | zebalin7 | abrotman: you should, just to make sure it is a kernel issue and not some kind of hardware thing. |
| 16:05.29 | abrotman | ok .. brb |
| 16:05.34 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I'd do a cold start |
| 16:05.56 | abrotman | got it |
| 16:05.57 | danbrwn | new user, Sarge 3.1 firewall available? Antivirus? |
| 16:06.23 | thingfish | danbrwn: apt-cache search firewall antivirus |
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| 16:06.33 | britt_ | tyranix: nope, says that locate has a invalid option --0 |
| 16:07.13 | tyranix | britt_: Are you doing -O or -0? It's zero. |
| 16:07.26 | Deb_Man | Eulex: are u there |
| 16:07.33 | britt_ | 0 |
| 16:07.47 | britt_ | britt@r3:~$ locate --0 -r '.*\.[mM]4[aA]$' | xargs -0 ls -l |
| 16:07.49 | britt_ | xargs: argument line too long |
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| 16:08.01 | tyranix | britt_: Oh, don't use --0 |
| 16:08.10 | britt_ | well i tried -0 too |
| 16:08.13 | Eulex | Deb_Man, apt-get will install dependencies, yes. |
| 16:08.15 | britt_ | and it gave me the error |
| 16:08.29 | britt_ | i did --0 and it took a while and spit out that other error |
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| 16:09.04 | danbrwn | thingfish, many available any recommendations? |
| 16:09.10 | tyranix | britt_: hmm -0 has been around for a long time. This is Debian right? :) BSD doesn't use -0 but Linux does. |
| 16:09.11 | Deb_Man | Eulex: when i use apt-get install x-window-system this is what happen: |
| 16:09.32 | Eulex | Deb_Man, don't paste here, use pastebin |
| 16:09.50 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 16:09.50 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:10.12 | oldman | anyone know what does udev got against hal (and gnome)? The following packages will be REMOVED |
| 16:10.12 | oldman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.13 | oldman | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 16:10.13 | oldman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:10.35 | Deb_Man | Eulex: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies |
| 16:10.53 | Eulex | Deb_Man, and more? please use pastebin, btw |
| 16:10.53 | Deb_Man | Eulex: it show all unmet dependencies |
| 16:10.58 | britt_ | tyranix: yes. debian sarge. |
| 16:11.05 | Eulex | Deb_Man, which are? paste them in pastebin. |
| 16:11.32 | Deb_Man | Eulex: pastebin? |
| 16:11.34 | britt_ | i am very frustrated. |
| 16:11.37 | zebalin7 | oldman: from what I understand the 'old' hal needs udev but the new udev does not need or want hal. |
| 16:11.45 | Deb_Man | Eulex: i don't know pastebin |
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| 16:12.07 | danbrwn | Sarge 3.1 any recommendations on Firewall and antivirus |
| 16:12.10 | thingfish | danbrwn: no, no real recommendations. |
| 16:12.13 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 16:12.13 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:12.24 | thingfish | shorewall is popular, isn't it? |
| 16:12.35 | Deb_Man | ok |
| 16:12.40 | Eulex | danbrwn, an antivirus? for what? |
| 16:12.47 | thingfish | and clamav, for antivirus. |
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| 16:12.55 | thingfish | not a whole lot of choices, there. |
| 16:13.06 | oldman | zebalin7: thanks. it's frustrating at times ...but then that's "testing" i guess |
| 16:13.11 | xim | danbrwn: shorewall, firehol (scripts) or firestarter, fwbuilder (gui) |
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| 16:13.51 | zebalin7 | oldman: have you done the whole upgrade. It's huge (for etch). I use kde so it will be even larger. I'm coward. I'll wait for some other kde-er to do it. |
| 16:14.06 | abrotman | yay .. Debian is now the same as XP ! |
| 16:14.17 | stew | abrotman: how much snow have you gotten? |
| 16:14.20 | zebalin7 | abrotman: no beep? |
| 16:14.22 | danbrwn | thanks |
| 16:14.38 | xim | danbrwn: anti-virus is only needed if you filter mail (with amavis), or if you want to scan your samba shares at night. |
| 16:14.38 | oldman | i've done an upgrade. thought i had the udev (/hal) thing calmed down and now an update/upgrade today brings it all back |
| 16:14.59 | britt_ | tyranix: still there? |
| 16:15.03 | abrotman | stew: 12-15 .. drifts to 24 i'd say |
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| 16:15.11 | stew | abrotman: about the same here |
| 16:15.16 | tyranix | britt_: Okay strange. I'm using testing so I guess they just added --null for locate. The -0 convention has been around forever though that's why I'm surprised. Anyway, this is a workaround: http://pastebin.ca/41282 |
| 16:15.21 | stew | this afternoon i'm be x-country skiing down 5th avenue |
| 16:15.23 | abrotman | zebalin7: nope .. and now Debian doesn't work right on warm boots .. just like XP :) |
| 16:15.28 | zebalin7 | oldman: did you do a reg. upgrade or a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:15.29 | oldman | who needs 'hal' anyway? if i'm kde... can i just remove it? and then upgrade udev? |
| 16:15.29 | abrotman | stew: freak! |
| 16:15.46 | abrotman | zebalin7: beep works fine in 2.6.12 |
| 16:15.51 | oldman | i did a: apt-get upgrade -u |
| 16:16.00 | abrotman | zebalin7: wifi won't work on warm boot .. AND beep no workie on 2.6.15 |
| 16:16.08 | Deb_Man | http://pastebin.ca/41283 |
| 16:16.10 | Deb_Man | finally |
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| 16:16.19 | danbrwn | xim, Eulex, if not needed anitvirus, does debian get all the security updates automatically |
| 16:16.21 | Deb_Man | Eulex: check that |
| 16:16.25 | zebalin7 | abrotman: you have a celeron or a pentium? |
| 16:16.32 | abrotman | P4 |
| 16:17.05 | zebalin7 | hmmm. I heard that .15 had problems with celeron, but not pentium. What you have is a pcmcia problem most likely. |
| 16:17.52 | abrotman | my sound is pcmcia ? |
| 16:17.52 | Beatinu2 | hi, anyone knows how to get kopete and icq back to work on sarge? |
| 16:17.52 | zebalin7 | wifi is conflicting with beep? |
| 16:17.53 | Eulex | haha, pcmcia pc speaker :) |
| 16:17.53 | sandos2 | the following packages will be REMOVED: base-config... I get this when trying to install locales... |
| 16:17.53 | sandos2 | I guess this is bad? |
| 16:17.54 | abrotman | zebalin7: my wifi is mini-pci |
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| 16:18.25 | Eulex | danbrwn, virii for linux are basically non-existant. sarge gets security updates. issue apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to get them. |
| 16:18.44 | britt_ | tyranix: so the first part.. the IFS is the thing I need to add |
| 16:18.52 | britt_ | like as an alias |
| 16:18.53 | tyranix | sandos2: No, base-config can be removed. And locales now conflicts with it so that's supposed to happen. |
| 16:19.00 | sandos2 | ah, ok. good. :) |
| 16:19.01 | sandos2 | thanks |
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| 16:19.19 | zebalin7 | abrotman: you in etch or sid? kernel has only been in etch for a few days. Not sure how long it has been in sid (at least 10, obviously). |
| 16:19.26 | danbrwn | Eulex, anyway to set that script up automatically |
| 16:19.28 | abrotman | etch |
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| 16:19.33 | Eulex | Deb_Man, could you do apt-cache policy x-window-system and apt-cache policy xdm and pastebin the output of those? |
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| 16:19.41 | tyranix | britt_: IFS tells it how to break up lines. Normally IFS is whitespace (tabs, spaces, newlines) but that's a problem because if you have 'file name' then it will break it up into 'file' and 'name' and you'll try to delete 2 files instead of 1. |
| 16:19.47 | Eulex | danbrwn, of course, just set up a script to be run by cron |
| 16:19.48 | Deb_Man | Eulex: ok |
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| 16:20.16 | britt_ | tyranix: i did that...is there a white space between the quotes |
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| 16:20.28 | danbrwn | Eulex, thanks, Very new to linux, like the support alot+++ |
| 16:20.46 | abrotman | zebalin7: i think it's pretty odd . .i've never seen beep stop workign |
| 16:20.54 | tyranix | britt_: Use a script. You don't want to change IFS for your shell. :) |
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| 16:21.17 | tyranix | britt_: There should be a newline between them but no spaces. |
| 16:21.21 | zebalin7 | abrotman: me either |
| 16:21.26 | britt_ | tyranix: I did this script like an horu ago and it did this exact thing. I though i would be closer to what i needed with the single line-wrapped line rather than seperated parts. |
| 16:21.29 | britt_ | ok |
| 16:21.52 | britt_ | sorry, RTFM right |
| 16:21.55 | britt_ | sorry, RTFM right:) |
| 16:22.22 | tyranix | britt_: When you're trying to delete files, RTFM without asking someone isn't a good idea. :) So I don't mind... |
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| 16:23.16 | abrotman | zebalin7: i'm reading my kern.log looksing for hints |
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| 16:23.41 | zebalin7 | how about dmesg ? anything there? |
| 16:23.51 | tyranix | abrotman: Could also be taking over your pc speaker? I did 'amixer' and it shows PC speaker as muted. Yet it works when I do an echo. |
| 16:23.55 | HeatHawk | Whats the apt build from source option? I want to use the debian kernel, but I want to rebuild it with my current gcc version (vmware is whinning at me :\ ) |
| 16:23.58 | tyranix | err s/also/alsa |
| 16:24.20 | britt_ | tyranix: http://pastebin.ca/41287 |
| 16:24.33 | britt_ | tyranix: its worse now, and i think its what it should be |
| 16:24.44 | abrotman | tyranix: do you know how to switch cards in alsamixer? |
| 16:24.58 | Deb_Man | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/41288 |
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| 16:25.14 | tyranix | britt_: What do you mean worse now? |
| 16:26.15 | Eulex | Deb_Man, and for xdm? |
| 16:26.15 | abrotman | is there even a way to switch cards? |
| 16:26.37 | |yang| | it looks like somebody opened port 25 on my machine (evil hacker) how can i list the process, it isnt listed with ps wuxa... |
| 16:26.37 | britt_ | tyranix: its seperating at every n i think |
| 16:26.39 | tyranix | britt_: Which is the one you are using? Do you have "\n" or are you using "<actual newline>"? |
| 16:26.40 | zebalin7 | abrotman: see this. I didn't read whole thread but might be something there for beep problem: http://tinyurl.com/ce8mv |
| 16:26.45 | Deb_Man | Eulex: wait |
| 16:27.18 | tyranix | britt_: Okay, you need to do "<real newline>". Copy that file as is and make sure there are no spaces after the quotes. |
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| 16:27.28 | zinx | |yang|: with netstat |
| 16:27.28 | britt_ | tyranix: i know a little about c++ and i thought that was the designation. ok |
| 16:27.48 | |yang| | zinx: yeah i tried netstat | grep 25 , but i dont see anything |
| 16:28.03 | zinx | |yang|: you need some options |
| 16:28.05 | blondie | |yang|: that's because netstat names known ports |
| 16:28.07 | zinx | |yang|: try netstat -natuwp |
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| 16:28.39 | zinx | |yang|: if it's not listed, then 1) how are you determining it's open, and 2) if it really is, you have a rootkit, and should reinstall from scratch |
| 16:28.42 | quitte | can debian initrd kernels boot from pcmcia? |
| 16:28.45 | Deb_Man | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/41289 |
| 16:29.09 | |yang| | zinx: i can telnet to port 25 |
| 16:29.22 | |yang| | zinx: and it opens |
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| 16:29.32 | tyranix | britt_: It would be nice if you could do "\n" or "\\n" but unfortunately it wants a real newline. |
| 16:29.34 | blondie | |yang|: are you sure you don't have an MTA running? |
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| 16:29.56 | |yang| | blondie: i dont have sendmail installed |
| 16:29.58 | britt_ | tyranix: i tried your script and its doing the same thing... so /n != <real newline> |
| 16:30.04 | blondie | I didn't say sendmail :P |
| 16:30.11 | blondie | it could be exim, postfix, etc |
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| 16:30.21 | |yang| | blondie: but it was listed under the abusive user (sendmail : accepting connections) |
| 16:30.24 | abrotman | zebalin7: that wasn't much help .. |
| 16:30.27 | abrotman | zebalin7: but thanks |
| 16:30.38 | zebalin7 | abrotman: yeah, I read it too. nothing there. |
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| 16:31.13 | zebalin7 | abrotman: you track etch or sid or are you mixed? |
| 16:31.22 | abrotman | etch |
| 16:31.34 | zebalin7 | same |
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| 16:31.54 | blondie | |yang|: use lsof to see what process it is |
| 16:32.03 | blondie | lsof | grep smtp |
| 16:32.04 | Deb_Man | Eulex: are U there? |
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| 16:32.06 | Eulex | Deb_Man, hmm. could you try to apt-get install xdm? |
| 16:32.06 | tyranix | britt_: The script should work. If you copy that script with your mouse and then remove the line numbers (grrr pastebin) and remove leading spaces, it should work. |
| 16:32.11 | |yang| | blondie: Stopping MTA: exim4. .... and still i can connect to 25 |
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| 16:32.24 | blondie | |yang|: lsof | grep smtp -- what does it say? |
| 16:32.25 | phyrster | I am using fluxbox and I found that some of the fonts are too small. ttf fonts. |
| 16:32.26 | Eulex | Deb_Man, I'm here, was just busy for a while |
| 16:32.38 | Eulex | Deb_Man, btw, why are you installing woody? |
| 16:32.40 | phyrster | how can I make them larger? |
| 16:32.55 | blondie | reduce resolution c.c |
| 16:33.07 | phyrster | the small fonts are mainly in gtk2.0 programs. How can make fonts of gtk2.0 programs larger? |
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| 16:33.33 | |yang| | blondie: it doesnt give me any output |
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| 16:33.48 | britt_ | tyranix: so the newline is already in there? |
| 16:33.53 | blondie | |yang|: that means nothing is using port 25 |
| 16:33.55 | tyranix | britt_: yeah |
| 16:33.56 | ILF_ | anyone know a program to output network speed to stdout? like nload without all the "bloat" |
| 16:34.01 | blondie | or lsof has been hacked ;) |
| 16:34.16 | zebalin7 | abrotman: you done this: lsmod | grep pcspkr |
| 16:34.20 | tyranix | britt_: hehe sorry for the confusion. :) I wish I could upload files rather than use pastebin. |
| 16:34.20 | zebalin7 | (as user) |
| 16:34.42 | Gnea | ILF_: ethstatus |
| 16:35.01 | abrotman | zebalin7: yep |
| 16:35.06 | zebalin7 | damn |
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| 16:35.17 | abrotman | $ lsmod | grep pcspkr |
| 16:35.17 | abrotman | pcspkr 1668 0 |
| 16:35.20 | Deb_Man | what is the last 3.1 rev1? |
| 16:35.22 | abrotman | the 0 bothers me |
| 16:35.27 | zebalin7 | you got the module in the kernel and it won't work. why???? |
| 16:35.29 | abrotman | Deb_Man: sarge with fixes |
| 16:35.36 | zebalin7 | I got same 0 |
| 16:35.44 | britt_ | tyranix: It did it! |
| 16:35.46 | britt_ | Thank you! |
| 16:35.47 | abrotman | zebalin7: all i can think is that alsa used to do the beep .. and now doesn't |
| 16:35.54 | tyranix | blondie: Err lsof is only for open files. |
| 16:35.58 | tyranix | britt_: you're welcome. :) |
| 16:36.01 | blondie | tyranix: no it's not |
| 16:36.05 | zebalin7 | abrotman: no, I don't agree. |
| 16:36.11 | ILF_ | Gnea: thanks, but still too bloated. i just want it to print a single line to stdout |
| 16:36.16 | britt_ | when i pasted the script into vim to fix it, i saw that in between the " " was a # |
| 16:36.17 | tyranix | blondie: I'm running exim and it doesn't show up as smtp. |
| 16:36.20 | britt_ | is this newline |
| 16:36.22 | zebalin7 | abrotman: but i'm no expert on beeps!! |
| 16:36.24 | blondie | well mine does |
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| 16:36.34 | tyranix | britt_: Ahh okay. |
| 16:36.35 | blondie | oh, you need to be root |
| 16:36.39 | Gnea | ILF_: dunno |
| 16:36.44 | blondie | |yang|: did you do it as root? |
| 16:36.46 | abrotman | zebalin7: actually .. i'm starting to think alsa is screwed |
| 16:36.47 | blondie | (lsof) |
| 16:37.06 | |yang| | blondie: yes |
| 16:37.20 | blondie | hm |
| 16:37.25 | tyranix | blondie: Oh, it shows up for root but not a normal user. |
| 16:37.31 | blondie | yes |
| 16:37.37 | abrotman | zebalin7: i mean .. shoujldn't i have two cards in the alsa mixer if i have OSS emulation running ? |
| 16:38.10 | cahoot | no |
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| 16:39.10 | zebalin7 | abrotman: not sure. What did you have in the old kernel? OSS? |
| 16:39.18 | abrotman | i have oss emu .. |
| 16:39.19 | zebalin7 | abrotman: maybe something here: http://tinyurl.com/a3ovj |
| 16:39.30 | abrotman | but i thought gnome-volume-control showed two cards before |
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| 16:39.56 | Eulex | you don't need oss or alsa to make your pcspeaker beep |
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| 16:40.30 | |yang| | blondie: fixed now |
| 16:40.38 | Deb_Man | Eulex: so, what to do now? |
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| 16:41.13 | phyrster | when X starts, where can I set nolisten options? |
| 16:41.17 | zebalin7 | abrotman: long list of google hits: http://tinyurl.com/drs3g |
| 16:41.18 | Eulex | Deb_Man, do you still want to run woody? |
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| 16:42.36 | blondie | |yang|: what was it then? |
| 16:43.34 | |yang| | blondie: the vserver was listening on both ports , i started exim on main and it listened on guest too |
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| 16:43.45 | kozmic | A |
| 16:43.51 | blondie | :) |
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| 16:45.06 | Deb_Man | yes |
| 16:45.14 | Deb_Man | i don have 3.1 rev1 |
| 16:45.26 | naetrick | How do I configure apt so I can also get testing packages? |
| 16:45.39 | abrotman | maybe gdm fucked my beep? |
| 16:45.50 | Eulex | Deb_Man, ok. now, what does apt-get install xdm say? |
| 16:45.51 | Gnea | now if only saidar could compete with top's .5 second delay.... |
| 16:45.52 | Zugschlus | naetrick: which Debian do you have? |
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| 16:46.14 | phar0z | naetrick: change sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 16:47.07 | Zugschlus | phar0z: you are aware what kind of advice you have just given? |
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| 16:47.16 | phar0z | yes |
| 16:47.30 | Zugschlus | phar0z: why do you give that advice then |
| 16:47.34 | tyranix | phyrster: If you startx, then on the command line: startx -- -nolisten tcp # or the file /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc. If you use xdm, it looks like /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers but I don't use xdm so I don't know for sure. |
| 16:47.59 | Deb_Man | wait |
| 16:48.39 | Zugschlus | but the guy who asked has already left. *shrug* |
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| 16:52.03 | phyrster | tyranix: thanks. I use gdm |
| 16:52.15 | Jeeves_Moss | all: good afternoon all |
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| 16:54.51 | michael_1 | can I create a partition for an windows xp installation under linux without giving debian up? |
| 16:55.37 | nvz | michael_1: yes. provided that you have spare unpartitioned space available |
| 16:55.55 | nvz | michael_1: however its not likely that windows will be able to install onto a pc with linux |
| 16:56.10 | michael_1 | nvz: No, I dont have that, unfortunately. only one disk that contains debian |
| 16:56.14 | nvz | michael_1: you are usually best off in a multiboot situation to install windows first oldest to newest then linux |
| 16:56.44 | michael_1 | hmm |
| 16:56.51 | nvz | michael_1: older versions of windows will think there may be a compressed volume or such as it cannot make sense of the linux partitions and it will fail.. I dont know about recent versions |
| 16:56.58 | Jeeves_Moss | michael: I've got a dual boot (w2k and Debian on this PC, and XP and debian on my laptop). its very smooth |
| 16:57.28 | michael_1 | Jeeves_Moss: how did u do that? installed microsoft products first? |
| 16:57.33 | nvz | michael_1: not to mention installing windows would overwrite your MBR/bootloader if it would work |
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| 16:58.00 | michael_1 | nvz: right, that's the second thing I worry about... |
| 16:58.01 | Jeeves_Moss | micheal_1: yep. you have to. M$ products need to be installed first. |
| 16:58.20 | Viper | ye ye ye |
| 16:58.26 | nvz | michael_1: its fixable.. with a debian bootcd.. its just easier and safer to install windows first oldest to newest |
| 16:58.38 | Viper | Fucking nigas ) |
| 16:58.43 | michael_1 | I understand. thank you |
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| 16:58.52 | nvz | michael_1: windows can install over or in addition to older versions, but an older version cannot install onto a drive with a newer version |
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| 16:59.13 | war92 | ANyone here using dmmapper? |
| 16:59.23 | Viper | yes |
| 16:59.25 | nvz | and afaik none of them support installing onto a linux pc as a dual boot or a replacement |
| 16:59.25 | Viper | i |
| 16:59.32 | nvz | linux must be removed beforehand |
| 16:59.38 | michael_1 | ok |
| 16:59.39 | war92 | Viper: do you need a separate kernel patch to use it, or? |
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| 16:59.50 | war92 | viper, I don't see it in 2.6.15.3 base kernel |
| 17:00.07 | Viper | no, all in one |
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| 17:00.18 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: your not going to welcome me back? |
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| 17:00.26 | dannythm | hi there |
| 17:00.46 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: well considering, I don't know you, I didnt know you were here or that you came back... no |
| 17:00.54 | dannythm | I have some problems trying to install hplip... ca anyone help me? |
| 17:01.16 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: hummm, well then some one witht he same name was in here a while ago and we were talking about robotics as well |
| 17:01.19 | britt_ | cya guys. |
| 17:01.48 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: I work at an injection molding corp. with some robots.. if thats what you mean |
| 17:02.13 | chealer_ | dannythm: it's hard to say without knowing knowing which problems |
| 17:02.20 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: naa, we were talking about robotics that fly. |
| 17:02.20 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: there is also a nvs and an nvc, and an nvzn IIRC |
| 17:02.28 | dannythm | it gives me errors when I do the make step |
| 17:02.33 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: oh yeah the helo/hovercraft |
| 17:02.41 | dannythm | and then of course the make install don't works |
| 17:02.43 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: yep |
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| 17:02.59 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: I had an idea to make a wireless net controlled air recon vehicle for a long time |
| 17:03.12 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: never drew up any plans or anything though |
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| 17:03.26 | Viper | Anyone use SNORT IDS? |
| 17:03.27 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: lol, well, do you have MSN? If so, then we could chat about it latter. |
| 17:03.47 | airox | Viper: Yes. |
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| 17:03.54 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: nope I have only been using freenode lately.. and now recently SMS since I got a cell phone |
| 17:04.12 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: ok, just a thought. |
| 17:04.29 | Viper | airox how it works? |
| 17:04.41 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: I am getting ready to start doing some Mobile Development in J2ME some various network apps and maybe some games |
| 17:04.47 | airox | Viper: Huh ? |
| 17:05.18 | airox | Viper: You want to know how Snort works or something ? |
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| 17:05.48 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: want to help me figure out WTF is going on with this computer that I aquired? (as for the programming lang, can you send me more info on it?) |
| 17:06.16 | dannythm | it gives em this error: Making all in prnt/hpijs |
| 17:06.16 | dannythm | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/danny/hplip-0.9.8/prnt/hpijs' |
| 17:06.16 | dannythm | make[1]: *** No hay ninguna regla para construir el objetivo `all'. Alto. |
| 17:06.17 | dannythm | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/danny/hplip-0.9.8/prnt/hpijs' |
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| 17:06.58 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: j2me is the mobile edition of the java 2 platform. its for developing software for limited hardware devices or CLDC hardware. |
| 17:07.17 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: whats wrong with the PC? best way to go in here is to ask the whole channel. |
| 17:07.35 | dannythm | I'll post in #flood my errors, can anyone help me? |
| 17:08.05 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: thats cool. As I said, I need to get this old PC to see the Linux install. The BIOS won't see the CD-ROM, so I have to do a net install |
| 17:08.34 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: use floppies or bootstrap it from another pc |
| 17:08.59 | dannythm | hello? |
| 17:09.06 | nvz | just toss the hd in another pc and do stage 1 install which will take what 1-2minutes, then when it goes to boot from the hd, take it out and put it back in the other pc |
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| 17:09.49 | useruser | dannythm: just type make |
| 17:10.06 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: I tried the boot floppys, how ever, for some reason, the boot goes properly, then I made the /boot partition @ the start of the disk, but it STILL won't see the boot partition. |
| 17:10.11 | dannythm | useruser: I type make, then it starts and give me an error |
| 17:10.12 | chealer_ | dannythm: which release do you use? |
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| 17:10.30 | dannythm | chealer_: the last the 0.9.8 |
| 17:10.49 | chealer_ | dannythm: your Debian release/suite. |
| 17:11.05 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: I have no idea I've never done it.. and I would just take the hd out and bootstrap it using a cdrom on another pc or via a chroot or something from a running debian system |
| 17:11.25 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: I'm wondering if the damn BIOS is causing the problems. |
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| 17:11.38 | dannythm | chealer_: sarge |
| 17:11.57 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: the bios may just not support cd booting. as for the floppies I have no clue I havent used one of those in like 10 years |
| 17:11.59 | chealer_ | !wayc dannythm |
| 17:12.00 | dpkg | dannythm: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 17:13.10 | dannythm | oh... the package is in the debian repository... why HP would't say that??? |
| 17:13.12 | dannythm | >< geez.... |
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| 17:13.46 | Viper | airox yea, i want to know how it works,etc |
| 17:13.50 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: I just tossed on a 6.4Gb drive. I'll see if it likes that drive insted (the other one is only 10.4Gb) I think the BIOS has a issue with anything over 8Gb |
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| 17:14.44 | Viper | how it recieves packets? |
| 17:15.42 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: now, we see if this boot disk will make it work. |
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| 17:15.49 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: bios doesnt matter anyhow with linux. I put large drives over 20GB into pcs that only recognize like 8gb of them.. as long as the bios knows there is a drive there that it can pass control to the MBR, and it can load the bootloader which can address the /boot/ section thats all that matters, once the kernel decompresses and enables the drive controller, it takes over management of the disks |
| 17:16.02 | ringo999 | hi. whats the shell command for comparing two files? |
| 17:16.13 | chealer_ | ringo999: diff? |
| 17:16.29 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: my HP vectra has a 20GB in it, and the bios doesnt recognize it all.. but it still boots debian from that drive |
| 17:16.32 | airox | Viper: You can make it listen promisicoulsy (i just can't spell it) or just let it listen to all the packets destinated for your interface. |
| 17:16.36 | chealer_ | dannythm: most likely because it's obvious |
| 17:16.40 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: thats why I tossed the /boot @ the start of the disk |
| 17:16.48 | airox | Viper: It checks all the packets on signatures you have configured and installed. |
| 17:17.18 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: what size did you make it? |
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| 17:17.37 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: 500Mb? |
| 17:18.06 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: I usually make mine just big enough to fit 3 kernel images and thats about it. one for my current stable kernel, my last stable kernel, and a testing kernel. |
| 17:18.18 | dannythm | chealer_: yeah, it could be xD I'm a fool |
| 17:18.22 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: yeah thats huge for a /boot/ but should be plenty small enough for any old PC to read |
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| 17:18.40 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: I can proabably fit 3 images into 1/10th that size |
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| 17:19.04 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: yea, thats why I don't get why it goes through the install, then on re-boot, it won't boot |
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| 17:19.24 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: what happens on boot? no os found or a bootloader error? |
| 17:19.42 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: or a kernel panic? |
| 17:19.48 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: no OS |
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| 17:20.08 | Andy298 | i've got a filder which i want to change the permissions to |
| 17:20.14 | Andy298 | at the minute it is root:andy |
| 17:20.21 | Andy298 | i want it set to VU1048 |
| 17:20.35 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: hmm are you sure you are installing a bootloader to the MBR, the /boot/ partition is set active, and the drive is at least recognized somehow by the bios, and is in the boot order? |
| 17:20.36 | ringo999 | chealer_: thx |
| 17:20.38 | abrotman | fix the beep! |
| 17:20.45 | ringo999 | where are gnome menu entries stored? |
| 17:20.52 | abrotman | /usr/share/menu/ |
| 17:20.53 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:20.53 | ringo999 | (application menu) |
| 17:20.54 | abrotman | !menu |
| 17:20.54 | dpkg | i heard menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 17:20.59 | pipeline | ringo999: Are you on stable or testing? |
| 17:21.01 | abrotman | nvz: i didn't do it! |
| 17:21.01 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: yea, the boot sector is set active |
| 17:21.04 | nvz | ringo999: you should not edit your menu. |
| 17:21.10 | nvz | abrotman: I know, and furthermore I dont care |
| 17:21.21 | ringo999 | pipeline: unstable |
| 17:21.27 | abrotman | nvz: ok |
| 17:21.46 | ringo999 | nvz: i installed crossover demo, and now it wont uninstall anymore |
| 17:21.47 | pipeline | ringo999: Oh, tough shit. Gnome no longer has integrated menu editing in 2.10/2.12 |
| 17:21.55 | ringo999 | nvz: so i have to do it manually |
| 17:21.59 | nvz | abrotman: if they cant realize I play on being a fool thats their problem.. I do the same thing to my supervisor at work.. keeps him off my back causing me real agrrivation by letting him think he is aggrivating me |
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| 17:22.13 | Jester | There's something called smeg to edit gnome menus |
| 17:22.15 | ringo999 | pipeline: what do you recommend? |
| 17:22.17 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: I'm trying to see what happens when I install Debian on 24Mb of RAM |
| 17:22.21 | Jester | pipeline: smeg |
| 17:22.25 | abrotman | nvz: hehe |
| 17:22.26 | Jester | err |
| 17:22.28 | ringo999 | k |
| 17:22.29 | Jester | ringo999: smeg |
| 17:22.30 | nvz | ringo999: ah so its unofficial. in official packages you should file a bug |
| 17:22.33 | ringo999 | Jester: yeah |
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| 17:22.59 | itom | hi all, for make an authentication for "user with password" for squid I must edit the squid.conf or installing external modules? |
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| 17:23.02 | pipeline | Jeeves_Moss: I'm not entirely sure that debian-installer works well in 24M. You may have to break out to a shell and mount swap... |
| 17:23.15 | ringo999 | Jester: when apt searching for smeg i get "alacarte" |
| 17:23.21 | ringo999 | Jester: is that still up to date? |
| 17:23.32 | Jeeves_Moss | pipeline: it would be nice to do that, but I don't even get to a shell |
| 17:23.42 | Jester | smeg is a good name for it, it stinks like smegma and gnome |
| 17:23.52 | Jester | ringo999: try google |
| 17:23.55 | pipeline | Jeeves_Moss: Heh, go figure. Tried using timo's boot/root and just using debootstrap? |
| 17:24.11 | Andy298 | i've got a filder which i want to change the permissions to VU2048 instead of root:andy |
| 17:24.22 | nvz | abrotman: I create a character when I deal with people who arent "close" to me it makes the relationship work.. they have things they think they know about me to break the ice, and I can get on about my business. and when people make fun of this character I can laugh at it too.. cause I created it, and I make sure I see the humor in it. |
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| 17:24.39 | nvz | abrotman: I think the way yinzers behave is funny, so I use that with you people who dont know me :P |
| 17:24.49 | Jeeves_Moss | pipeline: I'm using the boot disks off of debian/org's site |
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| 17:25.38 | abrotman | nvz: you yinzer! |
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| 17:26.08 | nvz | abrotman: its never good to let anyone know just what you are up to and how smart you are anyhow.. deception may be an age old technique but it still works today. You can always use that card in your hand |
| 17:26.17 | diana | How can I make all my firefox preferences be in ~/.mozilla instead of where they are now which is /usr/share/firefox(I am a regular user and I don't have permission to edit this) |
| 17:26.34 | marc-afk | ok, i can't remember the exact thing. but to disable users from seeing other peoples processes with sysctl...i know its possible in freebsd, wondering if its possible in debian also? |
| 17:26.35 | abrotman | nvz: i like the fact everyone here thinks i'm a tard :) |
| 17:26.54 | pipeline | Jeeves_Moss: timo's root/boot -- it's a rescue CD. |
| 17:26.58 | SimonRaven | abrotman: you tard youy f0x0r!!11111211121!!!1 :P |
| 17:27.02 | marc-afk | google's not being very friendly. |
| 17:27.07 | abrotman | SimonRaven: yeah .. like that |
| 17:27.13 | diana | !tard |
| 17:27.14 | dpkg | it has been said that tard is short for retard; see <gentoo> |
| 17:27.25 | SimonRaven | abrotman: heheh :). |
| 17:27.38 | Jeeves_Moss | pipeline: oh, ok. As I was was saying to nvz, I can't get the CD-ROM to show up |
| 17:27.46 | Frosted | Does anyone know anything about getting these new expresscard slots on laptops working? |
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| 17:28.06 | Andy298 | i've got a filder which i want to change the permissions to VU2048 instead of root:andy |
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| 17:28.17 | diana | !tell Frosted about laptops |
| 17:28.22 | blondie | Andy298: what? |
| 17:28.30 | nvz | abrotman: "A prince who wishes to achieve great things must learn to decieve" -- Niccolo Machiavelli |
| 17:28.39 | SimonRaven | Andy298: whatever you're smoking, stop |
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| 17:28.56 | Andy298 | whats wrong with what i put? |
| 17:28.58 | marc-afk | anyone? |
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| 17:29.12 | blondie | Andy298: do you mean permissions, or do you mean the owner? |
| 17:29.26 | abrotman | nvz: yeah well .. that guy was insane :) |
| 17:29.34 | Frosted | diana, thanks, but I asked because i've exhausted those options :) |
| 17:29.53 | danbrwn | sarge 3.1, new user, apt-get upgrade. Do it or not? |
| 17:30.03 | nvz | abrotman: was he? |
| 17:30.12 | diana | danbrwn: yes, and do apt-get dist-upgrade also |
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| 17:30.18 | abrotman | nvz: depending who you ask |
| 17:30.18 | nvz | abrotman: or was that just what he wanted you to believe |
| 17:30.35 | dannythm | oh |
| 17:30.36 | dannythm | great |
| 17:30.39 | SimonRaven | Andy298: if that 'VU2048' is a user, then for sure it'll work, but you haven't said anything about that |
| 17:31.08 | abrotman | nvz: he's dead .. and if he wanted you to believe that .. he wouldn't have put so much work in to a pretty darn good manuscript |
| 17:31.19 | dannythm | I just installed the hplip and when I run the hp-setup I got this errors |
| 17:31.28 | dannythm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.29 | dannythm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.30 | danbrwn | diana, which first |
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| 17:31.58 | Andy298 | simon: VU2048 is a user |
| 17:32.55 | dannythm | how can I fix that? |
| 17:32.56 | omry | my machine keeps freezing, and for the first time, I got an error message in syslog when it happened, any idea what it can be? http://firefang.net/~omry/crash.log |
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| 17:33.18 | danbrwn | if root has cron for apt-get update, will it be run if not logged on as root |
| 17:33.21 | Andy298 | so how can i give VU2048 the permissions? |
| 17:33.27 | marc-afk | ok, i can't remember the exact thing. but to disable users from seeing other peoples processes with sysctl...i know its possible in freebsd, wondering if its possible in debian also? |
| 17:33.40 | bryan_ | hello mens |
| 17:33.53 | bryan_ | can you help me?? |
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| 17:34.37 | danbrwn | if root has cron for apt-get update, will it be run if not logged on as root |
| 17:34.50 | nvz | abrotman: I got my boss thinking I am such an idiot he wouldnt dare give me any more responsibility cause he things I am incompetant or tell on me to the foreman cause he feels sorry for me. when I am really way ahead of everyone. I've already made detailed databases of all the equipment and the specs on everything and started developing software for the upcomming upgrades of all our All-rounders to our patented hamstercage design. once we got |
| 17:34.53 | chealer_ | bryan_: here's my personal crystal ball, try guessing. take care of it though, it's fragile |
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| 17:35.15 | bryan_ | ok |
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| 17:35.21 | Frosted | marc-afk, take a look at grsecurity or selinux kernel patches |
| 17:35.30 | abrotman | nvz: you got cut off at " once we got" |
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| 17:35.52 | marc-afk | Frosted: There's a command issued in bash. starts with 'sysctl' |
| 17:35.55 | KerPlunk | Is firefox 1.5* in testing for x86? |
| 17:36.07 | abrotman | !info firefox etch |
| 17:36.10 | marc-afk | I used to have it noted down, but forgotten where i left the .txt years ago ;\ |
| 17:36.13 | cupis | Is there any way to give an interface multiple IP addresses? In Cisco IOS for example I can do "ip address 192.169.0.1 255.255.255.0 ip address 10.0.2.1 255.255.255.0 secondary" |
| 17:36.17 | nvz | abrotman: "...a whole room of those we will need a more effecient way of keeping track of them than the current monitor software we have..." |
| 17:36.23 | abrotman | cupis: yes |
| 17:36.26 | zulu42 | hi there, I try configure my kernel 2.6.14 for support /usb/scanner module... but cant find it does someone know where it is? |
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| 17:36.35 | nvz | abrotman: I need a script that bitches at me when I do that |
| 17:36.43 | abrotman | nvz: or a client that doesn't do it :) |
| 17:36.47 | bryan_ | any body speak spanish?? |
| 17:36.55 | cupis | abrotman: can I do it using e/n/interfaces and does it play nice with vlan package? |
| 17:36.58 | zulu42 | how to know which option to tick in menuconfig if you have the module name? |
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| 17:37.13 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well I could easily flood this place if it didnt |
| 17:37.24 | chealer_ | !tell bryan_ about es |
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| 17:37.31 | abrotman | !ip aliasing |
| 17:37.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, ip aliasing is when you setup multiple network interfaces on the same network card, generally the aliases are eth0:0, eth0:1, etc. read Documentation/networking/alias.txt |
| 17:37.31 | danbrwn | if root has cron for apt-get update, will it be run if not logged on as root |
| 17:37.35 | abrotman | cupis: ^^ |
| 17:37.35 | cupis | abrotman: I know I can do ip addr add... |
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| 17:37.51 | nvz | abrotman: if you havent noticed I like to talk a lot. and I got some 30 people in my contacts list within a 5 mile radius in my phone, and I still manage to spend enough time talking peoples heads off here |
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| 17:38.36 | cahoot | zulu42: could try to search in menuconfig - hit '/' |
| 17:38.43 | cupis | abrotman: hmm, I actually want multiple addresses on an interface, not multiple interfacess on a single card |
| 17:39.02 | dannythm | I cannot execute hp-setup after instaling hplip with apt-get..... can anyone help me fixing the errors I get? |
| 17:39.12 | abrotman | cupis: oh .. that .. afaik .. you can't do |
| 17:39.24 | zulu42 | no match found for scanner :( I'm sure there is a scanner.ko module!!! |
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| 17:39.29 | cahoot | no |
| 17:39.45 | cahoot | zulu42: obsolete in 2.6 kernels |
| 17:39.51 | chealer_ | dannythm: what's hp-setup? which package provides that? |
| 17:39.52 | cupis | abrotman: I think I can do using iproute2 (ip addr add 10.0.5.0/24 dev eth0), but I don't know about e/n/interfaces support and vlan |
| 17:40.00 | cahoot | zulu42: libusb does the job |
| 17:40.08 | zulu42 | ok cahoot |
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| 17:40.14 | abrotman | cupis: but that's multiple IPs on a device .. not on eth0 |
| 17:40.22 | cupis | abrotman: hmm "post-up ip addr add..." looks a bit nasty |
| 17:40.24 | danbrwn | new usr, how do you add usb support? |
| 17:40.34 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 17:41.31 | zpartan | i need some help. i want debian (unstable). is this the what i need? debian-20060210-i386-binary-1.iso |
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| 17:41.51 | chealer_ | zpartan: you don't want debian unstable if you don't know how to get it |
| 17:41.52 | abrotman | does MAG still make decent CRTs? |
| 17:42.11 | cupis | abrotman: I want multiple address on eth0.21 for example - not one on eth0.21 and one on eth0.21:1 as these are consider different interfaces, no? |
| 17:42.17 | zpartan | chealer: ok. better get the stable then :) |
| 17:42.19 | cupis | I might just try it and see what happens. |
| 17:42.58 | chealer_ | zpartan: there's not just stable or unstable...there's also half-stable :) |
| 17:43.40 | zpartan | ok? ;) |
| 17:43.48 | chealer_ | zpartan: aka testing |
| 17:44.02 | zpartan | oh, ok. i saw it now |
| 17:44.10 | abrotman | cupis: yeah .. what you're asking . i don't know |
| 17:44.37 | cupis | okay abrotman, thanks anyway. I'll do some more googling and then try it on a test box and see what happens |
| 17:44.49 | cupis | and then document it for the next person who asks :) |
| 17:44.53 | Andy298 | need some help with chown |
| 17:45.22 | abrotman | cupis: ask ##linux maybe? |
| 17:45.25 | abrotman | man chown |
| 17:45.35 | cupis | abrotman: good idea, thanks. |
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| 17:45.54 | dannythm | chealer_: the hplip |
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| 17:46.29 | dannythm | chealer_: I'm trying to install a laserjet 5l printer |
| 17:46.31 | chealer_ | dannythm: are you sure? what does $ dpkg -S `which hp-setup`; return? |
| 17:46.36 | zulu42 | hey, I use udev and want my scanner group user access the device, scanimage -L gives device `snapscan:libusb:005:003' is a EPSON EPSON Scanner flatbed scanner, what/where is the device here? no snapscan in /dev how do I chmod? |
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| 17:46.55 | Andy298 | need some chown help! how can i give a user ownership of a folder? |
| 17:46.58 | Andy298 | + all subs |
| 17:47.16 | zulu42 | chown -R your-rep |
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| 17:47.28 | zulu42 | oops chown -R theuser your-rep |
| 17:47.38 | zulu42 | oops chown -R theuser.thegroup your-rep |
| 17:47.41 | abrotman | Anders: man chown |
| 17:47.43 | dannythm | chealer_: It didn't find it |
| 17:47.44 | abrotman | bah |
| 17:47.45 | Andy298 | your-rep? |
| 17:47.54 | dannythm | but If I do hp-setup I obtain a response |
| 17:47.59 | zulu42 | name_of_the_rep_you_want_to_chown |
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| 17:48.34 | dannythm | chealer_: I post the results in #flood |
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| 17:48.46 | voxvirus | hello |
| 17:49.19 | chealer_ | dannythm: hp-setup comes from your attempt to install from source. I wouldn't really expect it to work, but I can't help you with it anyway |
| 17:49.56 | zulu42 | how do I give permission to group scanner in /etc/udev/permission.d/udev.permission to the device `snapscan:libusb:005:003' ?? sorry big udev noob here :) |
| 17:50.17 | dannythm | chealer_: I only want to use my printer xD I don't matter doing it using the apt-get package or the hp guide or whatever |
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| 17:50.51 | dannythm | chealer_: I installed the package with the apt-ger... so I think it may be right installed... how I add my printer? |
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| 17:50.59 | chealer_ | dannythm: do you use a desktop environment? |
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| 17:52.25 | dannythm | chealer_: KDE |
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| 17:52.50 | Snow | flood: |
| 17:52.53 | Snow | 19:48 < SNow> hey guys |
| 17:52.55 | Snow | 19:48 < SNow> I know there is an cmd |
| 17:52.58 | Snow | 19:48 < SNow> on BitchX |
| 17:53.00 | Snow | 19:48 < SNow> that it tries to recover |
| 17:53.03 | Snow | 19:48 < SNow> a certain nick |
| 17:53.05 | Snow | 19:48 < SNow> if it is used |
| 17:53.08 | Snow | 19:48 < SNow> and holds it's if get's it |
| 17:53.10 | Snow | 19:48 < SNow> nah? |
| 17:53.13 | Snow | 19:49 < SNow> any ideas? |
| 17:53.23 | nvz | wtf is wrong with you? |
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| 17:54.18 | xam | Snow: can't you read the topic? this'll likely get you banned in here |
| 17:54.20 | blondie | Snow: STFO |
| 17:54.21 | chealer_ | dannythm: KDE's setup is far from perfect, but that's what I use and it's the only way I know to do it. you install cupsys, go in the KDE Control center, peripherals, printers, select CUPS as printing system, then try adding a printer |
| 17:54.26 | blondie | *GTFO |
| 17:54.41 | nvz | "hey guys, I know there is an cmd on BitchX that it tries to recover a certain nick if it is used and holds it's if get's it. nah? any ideas?" would fit all on one line and still make 0 sense. |
| 17:54.57 | nvz | there was no need to flood all that. |
| 17:55.02 | xam | nvs: and would be still off-topic ;-P |
| 17:55.04 | blondie | Snow: keep typing /nick . |
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| 17:55.19 | blondie | it'll keep you busy at any rate |
| 17:55.35 | Eulex | Snow, (1) don't flood (2) pressing enter is not a substitute for punctuation |
| 17:55.36 | nvz | xam: lets not get all technical here ;P |
| 17:55.50 | beered | how can a normal user run "poweroff" or "logout" without sudo-ing first? I'm on testing, fluxbox, and gdm. |
| 17:56.03 | blondie | set suid? |
| 17:56.04 | nvz | Eulex: doing 1 and 2 then 3) copying it and pasting it is even worse |
| 17:56.17 | blondie | beered: anyone can logout |
| 17:56.18 | Eulex | nvz, true |
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| 17:56.31 | nvz | Eulex: almost as bad as half a dozen people whining about it :P |
| 17:56.39 | abrotman | beered: from X? |
| 17:56.41 | Eulex | lol |
| 17:56.55 | abrotman | beered: and gnome or kde? |
| 17:57.03 | nvz | Eulex: interesting how this works in't it? |
| 17:57.06 | Eulex | beered, give the user permission to run sudo poweroff without needing to enter his/her password |
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| 17:57.17 | beered | I've added myself in sudoers file, but still I have to sudo before I shut down. I'm on xorg with flux and gdm. |
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| 17:57.31 | abrotman | if he uses gdm .. you can set SecureSystemMenu=False in the gdm.conf |
| 17:57.32 | beered | Eulex: how do I do that? |
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| 17:58.08 | beered | abrotman: I don't have the secure system menu. I logout from terminal. |
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| 17:58.23 | dannythm | chealer_: when it asks me a username and a password I give mine, or the root, but it don't recognice them... why? |
| 17:58.26 | nvz | yeah thats easy to do with a DM |
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| 17:58.53 | blondie | beered: you can't logout from a terminal unless you're logged in on one |
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| 17:59.03 | beered | blondie: LOL |
| 17:59.14 | abrotman | beered: if you use GDM .. you use /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and set SecureSystemMenu=False |
| 17:59.15 | chealer_ | dannythm: hum, I would think it would recognize root's |
| 17:59.17 | nvz | beered: its in your config file |
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| 17:59.28 | blondie | beered: well you can't |
| 17:59.30 | Eulex | beered, put something like: username ALL=(ALL) ALL, NOPASSWD: /sbin/poweroff in /etc/sudoers |
| 17:59.33 | beered | abrotman, nvz: let me check |
| 17:59.35 | nvz | beered: see also gdm config in your gnome menu |
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| 17:59.47 | Snow | blondie: nice idea |
| 17:59.49 | Snow | Eulex: sry |
| 17:59.50 | blondie | beered: you can only "logout" from the login shell |
| 17:59.57 | beered | nvz: I don't have gnome menu. I'm not using Gnome. |
| 18:00.07 | beered | Eulex: thanks! |
| 18:00.16 | nvz | beered: heh |
| 18:00.34 | Eulex | beered, that will let the user do anything with sudo if he/she enters his/her password, except poweroff, which he/she won't need to enter the password for |
| 18:00.34 | Snow | How does the BitchX line calls, which keeps recovering a certain nick? |
| 18:00.37 | Snow | is that better?? |
| 18:00.42 | nvz | beered: sudo gdmsetup |
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| 18:00.57 | nvz | beered: gksu gdmsetup even if you have gk-su |
| 18:00.57 | blondie | Snow: no and it's still not a debian question |
| 18:01.05 | blondie | Snow: try #bitchx |
| 18:01.15 | kspath | Snow: wrong channel |
| 18:01.19 | Snow | bitchx is silent |
| 18:01.23 | kspath | Snow: wrong channel |
| 18:01.24 | blondie | Snow: tough |
| 18:01.36 | blondie | use irssi instead is all I can suggest :P |
| 18:01.37 | Snow | what's next? |
| 18:01.46 | blondie | /part ? |
| 18:01.48 | Snow | blondie: I use irssi, but how could I do that with irssi? |
| 18:01.49 | beered | nvz: nice. I still prefer to use the sudoers file but gdmconf is a nice tool too! |
| 18:01.52 | Snow | blondie: you wish |
| 18:01.55 | Snow | nvz: I'll help ya |
| 18:01.55 | Snow | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 18:01.56 | nvz | doh |
| 18:01.57 | blondie | nvz: do you mind! |
| 18:02.08 | kspath | heheh |
| 18:02.08 | blondie | Snow: why are you asking about bitchx then? |
| 18:02.09 | nvz | bad alias there |
| 18:02.10 | dannythm | chealer_: it was accepted... let's see if it prints... |
| 18:02.22 | nvz | hmm I got 0.8.10 now eh |
| 18:02.22 | Snow | blondie: because irssi doesn't have that kind of feature? |
| 18:02.37 | nvz | Snow: irssi has it all |
| 18:02.37 | blondie | Snow: get a script then |
| 18:02.45 | nvz | Snow: its scriptable ffs |
| 18:02.55 | blondie | or... ask in #irssi! |
| 18:03.00 | nvz | Snow: install scriptassist its like apt-get for irc |
| 18:03.07 | nvz | well apt |
| 18:03.16 | nvz | its like apt-cache, apt-get..etc |
| 18:03.19 | dannythm | chealer_: hm... it says that the test page was correctly sent to the printer, but the pritner does nothing.... |
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| 18:03.26 | Snow | I have scriptassist guys |
| 18:03.32 | kspath | use it |
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| 18:03.36 | nvz | amen |
| 18:03.36 | Snow | I've got the script keepnick.pl |
| 18:03.43 | kspath | use it |
| 18:03.44 | blondie | Snow: THIS IS A DEBIAN CHANNEL |
| 18:03.44 | Snow | but it says 'not on a chatnet' |
| 18:03.46 | blondie | jeez |
| 18:03.52 | Snow | blondie: cmon' I am using debian |
| 18:03.54 | blondie | go and ask in #irssi |
| 18:03.56 | Snow | what's wrong |
| 18:04.06 | blondie | it has nothing to do with debian |
| 18:04.14 | nvz | Snow: its not about having credentials to ask a question here, its about the people knowing the answer and it being on topic |
| 18:04.14 | Snow | I am using debian :P |
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| 18:04.17 | blondie | it has nothing to do with debian |
| 18:04.20 | chealer_ | dannythm: I don't know |
| 18:04.30 | nvz | Snow: most people are probably using xchat and irssi for example right now |
| 18:04.37 | Snow | blondie: why, I am running irssi on debian, so It has *something* to do with debian |
| 18:04.41 | dannythm | chealer_: oh.. now it worked... |
| 18:04.43 | blondie | Snow: no it fucking does not |
| 18:04.44 | Snow | nvz I know |
| 18:04.53 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.57 | chealer_ | dannythm: nice |
| 18:05.02 | Snow | blondie why? |
| 18:05.04 | chealer_ | dannythm: good job :) |
| 18:05.12 | Snow | I am using debian |
| 18:05.12 | Snow | :)) |
| 18:05.16 | blondie | SO WHAT |
| 18:05.19 | Snow | we could argue 24/7 |
| 18:05.25 | blondie | and you'd still never get it |
| 18:05.25 | Snow | and I would be right :P |
| 18:05.29 | usn | hi folx |
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| 18:05.41 | nvz | LOTS of xchat and irssi, and people on mostly Linux and Freebsd |
| 18:05.45 | blondie | just because you run debian, doesn't mean every problem you have is a debian one |
| 18:05.54 | Snow | I know ;] |
| 18:05.55 | xam | Snow: is the problem you are having limited on bitchx for debian? or does it apply to bitchx in general? So there you go. Ask a on-topic question or piss off |
| 18:05.57 | nvz | got some windows users on mirc though :P |
| 18:05.58 | blondie | it's an irssi problem, so get the fuck into #irssi |
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| 18:06.06 | Snow | but don't you say that it has nothing to do with debian |
| 18:06.12 | Snow | it has something to do with debian |
| 18:06.18 | Snow | but it's not a debian-called issue |
| 18:06.19 | blondie | no it does NOT |
| 18:06.34 | Snow | cmon';] |
| 18:06.35 | blondie | you'd get the same problem on whatever OS you use |
| 18:06.38 | juanmmp | someone know how to put a mac bar in debian? |
| 18:06.44 | Snow | your blondie i'm not ;] |
| 18:07.08 | kspath | juanmmp mac bar? |
| 18:07.08 | blondie | Snow: congratulations on learning how to read nicks |
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| 18:07.30 | juanmmp | yeah the one a the bottom that rolls |
| 18:07.37 | dannythm | chealer_: ow... it seems it is correctly configured... but it's slow recivung the data... well... it works, I'm happy with that.. thanks ^^ |
| 18:07.40 | blondie | you mean the "Dock" |
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| 18:07.51 | Snow | blondie: why are you so angry? |
| 18:07.52 | juanmmp | yeah |
| 18:07.59 | chealer_ | dannythm: it's a pleasure |
| 18:08.10 | blondie | Snow: because I'm subjected to too much stupidity :P |
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| 18:08.37 | kspath | It must be Sunday. |
| 18:08.47 | juanmmp | so, cay you help me? |
| 18:09.01 | Eulex | kspath, really? :) |
| 18:09.11 | blondie | so it is! |
| 18:09.24 | kspath | !Sunday_smite Snow |
| 18:09.41 | juanmmp | how to install the mac thing at the bottom? |
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| 18:09.53 | blondie | install OS X? |
| 18:10.01 | blondie | get a Mac? |
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| 18:10.05 | juanmmp | in debian |
| 18:10.15 | juanmmp | i've seen it |
| 18:10.19 | kspath | There are a couple of Mac alike things that look like the Dock. |
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| 18:10.26 | blondie | using what? kde? gnome? |
| 18:10.28 | kspath | juanmmp: have you heard of google? |
| 18:10.31 | juanmmp | gnome |
| 18:10.36 | juanmmp | or kde |
| 18:10.43 | juanmmp | anyone is good |
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| 18:10.48 | nvz | heh |
| 18:11.07 | juanmmp | yeah |
| 18:11.11 | Manolis | Are there any bugs recently that cause a system's HD to boot into read only? I have two seperate systems doing it now, running Debian Sid |
| 18:11.15 | nvz | juanmmp: yeah |
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| 18:11.39 | nvz | heh |
| 18:11.44 | pipeline | Manolis: You probably have a dirty filesystem |
| 18:11.48 | nvz | that was a lame troll |
| 18:11.55 | xam | juanmmp: that 'Mac Thing' is called 'Dock' (at least if I understand correctly what you are trying to tell us). Google it or do a apt-get search. It is unlikely however that you'll find something that is exactly the samo though |
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| 18:12.10 | xam | apt-cache seach even |
| 18:12.13 | kspath | juanmmp: I umm wiped my iBook and put Debian on it so I am the wrong person to ask. I am sure someone that has used it might know. |
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| 18:13.10 | kspath | nvz: Thanks I have quits parts joins ignored which can be a problem sometimes. |
| 18:13.27 | w32 | anyone have a minute to discuss a samba configuration question ? |
| 18:14.07 | nvz | kspath: yeah ignoring anything can be a problem. |
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| 18:14.33 | nvz | kspath: I dont use the /ignore command, but my personal ignorance level can cause problems |
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| 18:14.42 | kspath | nvz: like a growing lump on your back for 25 years while living in a church bell tower? |
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| 18:15.21 | kspath | I miss Norte Damme |
| 18:15.38 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz, pipeline, abrotman: Do you guys know if there is a listing of all the channels on this server? |
| 18:15.47 | bbrazil | Jeeves_Moss: /list |
| 18:15.55 | abrotman | Jeeves_Moss: /list |
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| 18:15.58 | Jeeves_Moss | ???? |
| 18:16.07 | kspath | watch it scroll by |
| 18:16.16 | Jeeves_Moss | I get a blank page |
| 18:16.19 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: IRC implements that at a protocol level you client should support that command |
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| 18:16.26 | abrotman | Jeeves_Moss: what's your client? |
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| 18:16.37 | javi_ | hi |
| 18:16.38 | tdn | Where to start, if I want to contribute to Debian with a patch for a program that already exists in Debian? |
| 18:16.43 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: basicly I'm looking for a certin type of channel |
| 18:16.58 | nvz | tdn: the bug tracking system bugs.debian.org file a bug |
| 18:17.16 | tdn | nvz, there is no bug. I have implemented a new feature. |
| 18:17.24 | nvz | tdn: its a bug |
| 18:17.25 | javi_ | I am in troubles, someone could say me if it's possible to recover a partition after doing mke2fs -j /dev/hdaX ??? |
| 18:17.29 | bbrazil | tdn: file it as a wishlist bug |
| 18:17.51 | nvz | tdn: see the development section of www.debian.org about the mentors program about becomming a debian devloper and finding a mentor if you want to become a DD and work on the package |
| 18:17.56 | ringo999 | in order to switch from unstable to testing all i have to do is change the sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 18:18.09 | freeone3000 | `apt-file search gl' is giving me nothing... It should be giving me something, right? |
| 18:18.16 | abrotman | ringo999: you can't |
| 18:18.16 | tdn | bbrazil, well... I am not requesting anyone to implement the feature. I already have :) I just want to hear who I should contact to get my patch accepted? |
| 18:18.26 | ringo999 | abrotman: no? no way back? |
| 18:18.29 | bbrazil | tdn: file a bug, include the patch |
| 18:18.32 | javi_ | I am in troubles, someone could say me if it's possible to recover a partition after doing mke2fs -j /dev/hdaX ??? |
| 18:18.35 | abrotman | downgrade not currently possible |
| 18:18.37 | nvz | tdn: the maintainer. file a bug, include the patch |
| 18:18.42 | nvz | tdn: see the BTS like I said |
| 18:18.48 | ringo999 | abrotman: damn...that sucks |
| 18:18.48 | tdn | bbrazil, nvz: Ok. |
| 18:18.58 | abrotman | ringo999: you should have been aware of this |
| 18:19.09 | nvz | tdn: for non-DD's the BTS is the standard way of doing these things as you will not be permitted to submit directly |
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| 18:19.23 | ringo999 | abrotman: i really didnt know |
| 18:19.26 | ringo999 | oh well |
| 18:19.27 | tdn | nvz, ok. Fair enough :) |
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| 18:19.49 | nvz | tdn: /msg dpkg maint <package> |
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| 18:19.58 | tdn | nvz, ok. |
| 18:19.59 | nvz | tdn: will give you the name and email of the maintainer of <package> |
| 18:20.04 | tdn | nvz, cool. |
| 18:20.09 | javi_ | I am in troubles, someone could say me if it's possible to recover a partition after doing mke2fs -j /dev/hdaX ??? |
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| 18:20.17 | freeone3000 | <freeone3000> `apt-file search gl' is giving me nothing... It should be giving me something, right? |
| 18:20.22 | abrotman | tdn: though you should actually file a wishlist bug on the package and include your patch |
| 18:20.29 | freeone3000 | javi_: From looking at it, doesn't seem to be. |
| 18:20.32 | abrotman | freeone3000: apt-file update |
| 18:20.39 | tdn | abrotman, ok. |
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| 18:20.53 | freeone3000 | Thank you. |
| 18:20.57 | nvz | abrotman: as I understand filing a bug and mailing to the maintainer is pretty much the same thing |
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| 18:21.03 | abrotman | tdn: which package? |
| 18:21.10 | abrotman | nvz: at least it's official in the BTS |
| 18:21.15 | abrotman | !tell tomas_ about root |
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| 18:21.44 | javi_ | freeone3000 oh, i have made cat /dev/hdaX > file do u know any program to read where are beginnig the files? |
| 18:21.49 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:21.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:21.51 | ttyS0 | hello, how can I control download speed in apt-get?:) |
| 18:21.53 | nvz | abrotman: yeah we argued with him for awhile about that proceedure he didnt understand we use bug reports for users to submit patches. |
| 18:21.59 | abrotman | !info trickle sarge |
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| 18:22.11 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 18:22.13 | abrotman | ttyS0: ^^ |
| 18:22.26 | abrotman | nvz: tdn should certianly use the BTS |
| 18:22.29 | javi_ | freeone3000 i had really important data there :/ |
| 18:22.35 | stoner | can someone help me getting cpufreqd or cpudyn or powernowd running on my sid box? :) |
| 18:22.53 | freeone3000 | javi_: ..Don't reformat partitions with important data...? |
| 18:23.08 | zebalin7 | abrotman: have you tried to get a beep as root? Maybe you ought to: apt-get install beep and if you run that from a console it might give you an error message? |
| 18:23.24 | nijan | hello, I want to connect myself using bluetooth + nokia 6630 to internet but i've no idea where to start from. I should have the bluetooth kernel support, I use KDE. |
| 18:23.26 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I only told him that 5 times |
| 18:23.27 | javi_ | freeone3000 i know, but it can happens by mistake |
| 18:23.33 | abrotman | zebalin7: didn't need it before .. shouldn't need it now |
| 18:23.34 | tyranix | javi_: What type of filesystem was it? |
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| 18:23.42 | Manolis | What's the correct tune2fs command to force a complete HD check at next boot please? |
| 18:23.45 | javi_ | it was ext2 |
| 18:23.56 | javi_ | but i did mke2fs -j |
| 18:23.58 | nvz | abrotman: before saying other things in hopes that he would be satisfied with one shade of green or the other :P |
| 18:24.01 | abrotman | Manolis: touch /forcefsck |
| 18:24.20 | abrotman | wtf did tdn go? |
| 18:24.26 | javi_ | tyranix: it was ext2 |
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| 18:24.34 | nvz | abrotman: email |
| 18:24.43 | youssef | Hello. Is there a French channel for coders in java ? |
| 18:24.47 | zebalin7 | abrotman: in a terminal window do you get anything from ctl-shift-g ??? |
| 18:25.01 | ttyS0 | So....there no way to set custom max speed in apt-get ?:) |
| 18:25.04 | nvz | youssef: google? |
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| 18:25.07 | Manolis | abrotman: just like that? or do I need to specify the /dev/hda1 bit ? |
| 18:25.08 | tombs | did someone had problem with gnome after the dist-upgrade from today? |
| 18:25.12 | abrotman | ttyS0: i told you .. trickle |
| 18:25.19 | nvz | tombs: bugs.debian.org |
| 18:25.25 | abrotman | zebalin7: nope |
| 18:25.30 | zebalin7 | You might not need the beep program but it might give you a diagnolstic that might help. |
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| 18:25.32 | zebalin7 | just a guess. |
| 18:25.33 | abrotman | Manolis: not that i'm aware |
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| 18:25.40 | zebalin7 | abrotman: nothing in root either? |
| 18:25.45 | ttyS0 | abrotman, sorry, didn't noticed :) |
| 18:26.01 | Manolis | abrotman: I never new touch had anything to do with filesystem maintenance, who knew? |
| 18:26.13 | blondie | er what's the syntax for "set" in bash? |
| 18:26.23 | abrotman | zebalin7: nope |
| 18:26.31 | Manolis | blondie: export |
| 18:26.40 | nvz | blondie: help set |
| 18:26.41 | markos_64 | how do i install newest (possibly unstable) version of single package? |
| 18:26.43 | abrotman | Manolis: it doesn't .. you're touching a file that does |
| 18:26.50 | stoner | hasnt some1 a hint how to get powernow working on sid? |
| 18:26.50 | abrotman | !tell markos_64 about simple sid backport |
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| 18:26.55 | abrotman | !some1 |
| 18:26.55 | dpkg | it has been said that some1 is IRC shorthand for "I'm a twit" |
| 18:27.26 | zebalin7 | abrotman: when that kernel boots it is somehow turning off pcspkr... or not loading it correcly. Maybe some permission problem in /dev? another guess. |
| 18:27.36 | nvz | stoner: press the power button, now. done. |
| 18:27.49 | stoner | lol |
| 18:28.00 | blondie | nvz: thanks but it doesn't help |
| 18:28.07 | markos_64 | sigh. ok. |
| 18:28.08 | abrotman | zebalin7: it's possible |
| 18:28.17 | tombs | nvz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=gnome+&archive=no&version=&dist=testing |
| 18:28.20 | tombs | nothing |
| 18:28.27 | nvz | blondie: illiterate? blind? font too small? wrong language? |
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| 18:28.46 | blondie | nvz: no, it just doesn't say. |
| 18:28.48 | nvz | tombs: ? |
| 18:29.02 | tombs | nvz: thanx |
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| 18:29.05 | tombs | :) |
| 18:29.16 | nvz | blondie: wtf you mean it doesnt say? its 60 lines of syntax and description of options |
| 18:29.28 | zebalin7 | abrotman: there might be something in this thread from debian.user: http://tinyurl.com/9bgro |
| 18:29.33 | blondie | it doesn't have what I want |
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| 18:29.57 | blondie | if I want to set TERM to something, it doesn't say how to specify it |
| 18:30.12 | nvz | TERM="Something" |
| 18:30.16 | nvz | use more quotes. |
| 18:30.21 | kspath | export TERM |
| 18:30.22 | markos_64 | blondie: export TERM="foobar" |
| 18:30.26 | nvz | kspath: amen |
| 18:30.36 | nvz | markos_64: even better |
| 18:30.37 | kspath | export $TERM sorry |
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| 18:30.43 | kspath | err sleep |
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| 18:30.45 | blondie | markos_64: right thanks |
| 18:31.15 | bbrazil | kspath: doesn't that mean 'export xterm-color' (or whatever)? |
| 18:31.20 | nvz | maybe "help export" would have been better 8 lines of more relevant info |
| 18:31.24 | abrotman | zebalin7: nope .. |
| 18:31.59 | kspath | bbrazil: hence the reason raison I slapped myself. I am not fully awake |
| 18:32.12 | blondie | "raison" how french :) |
| 18:32.17 | kspath | merde |
| 18:32.47 | nvz | Mt. Dew is pretty good for waking you up too I hear, but I dont like it |
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| 18:33.05 | abrotman | dvs: toronto! |
| 18:33.26 | dvs | abrotman: PA! |
| 18:33.37 | abrotman | i'm not your dad |
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| 18:33.51 | dvs | ..... |
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| 18:33.52 | nvz | you said that like you were from around here |
| 18:33.53 | kspath | KoP! |
| 18:34.03 | nvz | everyone else just calls it Pennsylvania |
| 18:34.15 | nvz | real yinzers just say PA |
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| 18:34.32 | MyDot | hey guys |
| 18:34.43 | abrotman | PA sucks! |
| 18:34.46 | nvz | its mine now |
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| 18:34.53 | dvs | nvz: because I can't spell "Pennsylvania" most of the time. |
| 18:34.56 | nvz | abrotman: your momma sucks, PA swallows |
| 18:35.00 | MyDot | well, there is about two feet of snow here |
| 18:35.04 | zebalin7 | abrotman: do you have sd_mod in /etc/modules? I do. I don't have pcspkr there however. cat /etc/modules and see what you got! |
| 18:35.12 | abrotman | MyDot: go try to open my door! |
| 18:35.17 | MyDot | anyway I have a problem :( |
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| 18:35.22 | nvz | dvs: well around here they are too lazy to say it |
| 18:35.28 | MyDot | it says Fatal error: No screens found when starting X |
| 18:35.33 | MyDot | and Im new to debian :( |
| 18:35.33 | nvz | dvs: yinzers have lazy lips |
| 18:35.34 | abrotman | zebalin7: i do not |
| 18:35.39 | kspath | nvz: can they spell PA there? |
| 18:35.40 | abrotman | zebalin7: it's not even loaded |
| 18:35.52 | dvs | nvs: I like "Penn state" personally. |
| 18:35.54 | abrotman | MyDot: look for EE lines in your error log |
| 18:35.56 | nvz | dvs: to speak pittsburghese most people have to do a series of exercizes to limber up properly |
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| 18:36.06 | abrotman | nvz: you mean dumb down :) |
| 18:36.09 | KerPlunk | reboot |
| 18:36.09 | MyDot | ok, will do. |
| 18:36.37 | Gnea | nvz: like the use of hand gestures in conjunction with spoken phrases? :) |
| 18:36.45 | mhall | nvz: #d-ot was not being very nice about your rant earlier |
| 18:36.57 | KerPlunk | What is a good mirror that has updates fast from debian.org |
| 18:36.58 | Gnea | nvz: or am i thinking phillanese? |
| 18:37.03 | nvz | mhall: so what, the mob in there doesnt like me |
| 18:37.07 | abrotman | i do! |
| 18:37.07 | huamgnd | I am having a problem after doing a dist-upgrade "gnome-menus" can't be installed. anyone else having this problem? it's preventing my taskbar from showing up in gnome. |
| 18:37.16 | nvz | abrotman: doesnt matter |
| 18:37.16 | Gnea | KerPlunk: mirrors.debian.org |
| 18:37.22 | abrotman | doesn't anyone ever listen to me? |
| 18:37.27 | mhall | nvz: yeah i was just backin you up cause i think you were funny |
| 18:37.29 | KerPlunk | Gnea: doesn't everyone use that and it's slow? |
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| 18:37.38 | dvs | abrotman: Did you say something/ |
| 18:37.42 | mhall | nvz: some of the people in there are cliqueish types and it's teh sux at times |
| 18:37.42 | Gnea | KerPlunk: do you know how many servers that is? |
| 18:37.43 | abrotman | doesn't anyone ever listen to me? |
| 18:37.47 | khermans | is there any way to set a user-level /etc/hosts file? |
| 18:37.51 | mhall | nvz: but the humor is hard to beat |
| 18:37.51 | KerPlunk | Gnea: ok thanks |
| 18:37.53 | zebalin7 | abrotman: you may have to compile your own kernel to get the beep back!! |
| 18:37.56 | kspath | abrotman: What? |
| 18:37.58 | mhall | abrotman: you've been in repeat mode a lot lately |
| 18:38.04 | abrotman | zebalin7: no freaking way .. because then it would be broken for everyone |
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| 18:38.21 | nvz | mhall: I knew that the first two seconds I ever seen of that channel and if anyone was there they notices I left right away.. and every time I've come back its because someone asked me to |
| 18:38.35 | abrotman | zebalin7: i tried to ask #alsa .. but that's a waste of time |
| 18:38.44 | MyDot | right before the end of the log file |
| 18:38.47 | zebalin7 | abrotman: not surprised. |
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| 18:38.50 | MyDot | it says (EE) No devices found |
| 18:39.03 | MyDot | right after the NV (nvidia) drivers |
| 18:39.05 | abrotman | MyDot: loko for more .. maybe WW lines too |
| 18:39.09 | Gnea | KerPlunk: actually, mirrors.kernel.org is more dead-on, but it looks like they reduced it |
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| 18:39.12 | chealer_ | huamgnd: maybe. why can't it be installed? |
| 18:39.16 | MyDot | I think that I used the wrong graphics driver |
| 18:39.16 | abrotman | zebalin7: now i understand why we get all the damn questions |
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| 18:39.21 | jerware | fellaz |
| 18:39.22 | abrotman | MyDot: why? |
| 18:39.24 | n0th | hi there (: |
| 18:39.28 | nvz | Gnea: abrotman http://www.pittsburghese.com/ mouth exercizes |
| 18:39.28 | kspath | MyDot: lspci |
| 18:39.31 | MyDot | it isnt on the list |
| 18:39.36 | abrotman | nvz: i've read it |
| 18:39.37 | zebalin7 | abrotman: it's because we have all the damn answers!! |
| 18:39.39 | MyDot | I have a nvidia Geforce 7800 GTX |
| 18:39.50 | khermans | Anyone know how a normal user can add hosts to /etc/hosts? or per-user hosts file? |
| 18:39.51 | abrotman | nvz: forgot to tell you .. my coworker made primanti sandwiches for the supperbowl |
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| 18:39.56 | zebalin7 | abrotman: (or we will hunt for hours until we find them). |
| 18:40.00 | abrotman | MyDot: and which driver? |
| 18:40.04 | MyDot | nv |
| 18:40.06 | abrotman | zebalin7: it's just really freaking weird |
| 18:40.10 | abrotman | MyDot: won't work |
| 18:40.11 | Deb_Man | Eulex: i am back |
| 18:40.14 | Deb_Man | sorry |
| 18:40.18 | MyDot | oh, thanks |
| 18:40.25 | abrotman | MyDot: either install xorg for sarge .. or use the binary driver from nvidia |
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| 18:40.26 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 18:40.26 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I'm stumped... but I'm really curious about it. |
| 18:40.27 | dpkg | well, xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 18:40.33 | abrotman | !tell MyDot about nvidia |
| 18:40.40 | abrotman | !tell MyDot about xorg sarge |
| 18:40.42 | jerware | im looking for a debian based OS that is easy to play/set up multimedia and has configuration tools that are scripts rather than gui's. (to learn bash) |
| 18:40.46 | mhall | zebalin7: 'lo |
| 18:40.47 | abrotman | demudi |
| 18:40.48 | sparr | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python-twisted-conch_1%3a0.6.0-2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/cftp.1.gz', which is also in package cftp |
| 18:40.48 | sparr | can anyone confirm this bug? |
| 18:40.48 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, sparr |
| 18:40.56 | jerware | and a user friendly desk top but that aint that iimportant |
| 18:41.02 | mhall | nvz: they need to lighten up |
| 18:41.03 | nvz | they got a Primanti Bros' dahntahn in the square |
| 18:41.05 | zebalin7 | hi mhall. how are you? |
| 18:41.05 | dpkg | zebalin7: you know how it is... |
| 18:41.09 | abrotman | sparr: man dpkg |
| 18:41.09 | mhall | nvz: they go on dumb rants all the time |
| 18:41.18 | mhall | zebalin7: well i got arrested :-D |
| 18:41.21 | abrotman | mhall: who? |
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| 18:41.30 | MyDot | abrotman, the problem is that my internet isnt working correctly :( |
| 18:41.39 | MyDot | I dont think I will be able to download anything |
| 18:41.41 | mhall | abrotman: different people in the chan from time to time |
| 18:41.42 | zebalin7 | mhall: you have any idea why system beep would not work after kernel update from 2.6.12 to .15 in etch.? |
| 18:41.43 | abrotman | MyDot: ok .. use the vesa driver till you get it working |
| 18:41.44 | jerware | what about kubuntoo ? |
| 18:41.48 | sparr | abrotman: ill take that as a 'no' |
| 18:41.49 | mhall | zebalin7: udev perhaps |
| 18:41.51 | abrotman | mhall: i NEVER EVER rant ;) |
| 18:41.56 | MyDot | ok thanks. |
| 18:41.57 | mhall | abrotman: lol as if |
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| 18:42.00 | Gnea | kubuntoo? |
| 18:42.01 | zebalin7 | abrotman: you got udev? |
| 18:42.03 | abrotman | sparr: check the bts .. man dpkg |
| 18:42.06 | abrotman | zebalin7: yep |
| 18:42.24 | zebalin7 | abrotman: we're looking under every rock here :-) |
| 18:42.26 | kspath | !ubuntusmite jerware |
| 18:42.27 | Eulex | jerware, this channel is about the debian distro, not about debian based distros in general |
| 18:42.28 | dvs | zebalin7: pcspkr not loaded? |
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| 18:42.43 | Gnea | jerware: http://www.distrowatch.org |
| 18:42.57 | zebalin7 | abrotman: what do you use to find a loaded module? lsmod? I forget. |
| 18:43.01 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 18:43.02 | Gnea | jerware: if it's not there, it probably doesn't exist |
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| 18:43.18 | einsteinmg | hi al |
| 18:43.22 | Gnea | </arrogance> |
| 18:43.23 | sparr | abrotman: its not in the bts, and i dont care to learn enough about dpkg to figure the problem out myself. i assume here is the place im most likely to find someone with less apathy who already has the requisite skills |
| 18:43.23 | einsteinmg | l |
| 18:43.59 | Gnea | sparr: got some $? |
| 18:44.02 | nvz | mhall: yeah. I dont gain anything from it.. its more interesting in here where the conversation bears some kind of subject and I have the chance of learning somthing |
| 18:44.12 | zebalin7 | !paster |
| 18:44.12 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 18:44.28 | MyDot | sorry to be so stupid |
| 18:44.29 | xrgtn_ | zebalin7: modprobe beep |
| 18:44.41 | MyDot | but what config file do I edit to change the driver to vesa? |
| 18:44.43 | huamgnd | I am having a problem after doing a dist-upgrade "gnome-menus" can't be installed. anyone else having this problem? it's preventing my taskbar from showing up in gnome. |
| 18:44.44 | abrotman | sparr: i told you how to fix it |
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| 18:45.05 | Gnea | MyDot: it's probably in /etc/X11/ |
| 18:45.25 | MyDot | ok |
| 18:45.26 | abrotman | !drxx MyDot |
| 18:45.26 | dpkg | MyDot: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:45.27 | zebalin7 | xrgtn_: abrotman has been through all that. we can't figure out why his beep is gone away with new kernel. works with old kernel. |
| 18:45.33 | sparr | abrotman: yes |
| 18:45.49 | Gnea | sparr: if you want someone else to fix the problem for you, then pay them. otherwise, do it yourself. |
| 18:46.01 | sparr | Gnea: no. |
| 18:46.06 | Gnea | sparr: yes. |
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| 18:46.17 | zebalin7 | abrotman: well, I gotta go. XYL is yelling at me. I'll give it some more thought. Gotta be a reason... probably a simple one. |
| 18:46.29 | sparr | i COULD just waste the package maintainers time by reporting the bug without confirming it first. id rather not do that |
| 18:46.32 | xrgtn_ | zebalin7: better tell me how to programmatically disable fsking system beeper in 2.4 ;). Well, maybe some other problem... What modinfo beep tells on his new kernel? |
| 18:46.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:46.41 | mhall | abrotman: the later 2.6 kernels have a component pc speaker driver |
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| 18:46.47 | einsteinmg | why is the fork connector not in debian kernels? |
| 18:46.49 | Gnea | there's a bug? |
| 18:46.50 | abrotman | mhall: loaded .. no workie |
| 18:46.58 | mhall | abrotman: zOMGWTFBBQ |
| 18:47.02 | abrotman | no shit |
| 18:47.15 | zebalin7 | mhall: component pc speaker driver??? |
| 18:47.18 | xrgtn_ | zebalin7: I'm logging to remote 2.6.15 host to check what's with beep module there |
| 18:47.20 | abrotman | pcspkr |
| 18:47.51 | xrgtn_ | abrotman: you hit, I think! |
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| 18:47.59 | abrotman | doesn't work |
| 18:48.02 | Gnea | sparr: look, dpkg --help (look for help on --force-* options while you're at it) |
| 18:48.07 | sparr | Gnea: there is apparently a bug in the python-twisted-conch package. its unusual enough that im betting its not actually a bug in the package and simply something i did wrong, but im not expending any effort in that direction until someone does/doesnt confirm the bug |
| 18:48.13 | tomsa | Hello |
| 18:48.14 | abrotman | sparr: man dpkg |
| 18:48.26 | sparr | Gnea: i dont want to force anything. the package shouldnt be overwriting the file, and i definitely dont want it do overwrite it |
| 18:48.35 | sparr | s/do/to/ |
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| 18:48.53 | abrotman | sparr: then file a bug |
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| 18:49.13 | sparr | abrotman: no |
| 18:49.36 | Gnea | sparr: well that's just too bad then, that's the way the system works. |
| 18:49.38 | xrgtn_ | modinfo pcspkr -- PC Speaker beeper driver. 2.6.15-1-486 |
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| 18:49.44 | abrotman | xrgtn_: it's loaded |
| 18:49.50 | tomsa | I would like to known how to set up alsa to make the Master mixer in kmix to set up all mixer device such as front, line, lear, center, ... everything |
| 18:49.54 | abrotman | sparr: you dont' want to file a bug . and don't want to force it? |
| 18:49.56 | vir182 | can anyone point me in the right direcrtion. After an upgrade, all my fonts are ugly (specially firefox). making xlsfonts|grep ttf no truetype ofnts are used anymore. how can i tell the xsrver to use those fonts again? |
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| 18:50.05 | sparr | if i just sit here long enough ill either encounter someone else who got the error message, in which case it will be far more likely its a bug package, or i wont, in which case ill investigate what i might have done wrong to cause it. |
| 18:50.16 | Gnea | sparr: no, sorry, but you're in the wrong - dpkg has those features on purpose for problems such as yours. |
| 18:50.19 | abrotman | sparr: and they will force it .. or file a bug |
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| 18:50.41 | einsteinmg | why is the fork connector not enabled in the debian kernel 2.6.15? |
| 18:50.42 | xrgtn_ | abrotman: Well, I can't tell remotely does it _actually_ beep or not. AFAIK, it beeped last time I was interested... |
| 18:50.43 | sparr | well, if they want to do that then its their perogative. im not filing a bug report without confirmation |
| 18:50.43 | Gnea | sparr: then you'll be sitting here until you die. |
| 18:51.00 | Gnea | sparr: it's not a bug. |
| 18:51.10 | abrotman | xrgtn_: yeah .. mine just doesnt' beep :) |
| 18:51.10 | sparr | you are most likely right, about it not being a bug |
| 18:51.17 | Gnea | sparr: the problem is that you're unwilling to use the debian way to fix a debian issue. |
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| 18:51.28 | Gnea | no, i know i'm right. |
| 18:51.38 | GutterPunk | Can anyone tell me how to change the module output directory for a kernel? I don't want a kernel with the same version to overwrite another kernel's module directory |
| 18:51.50 | Gnea | sparr: if you can't help yourself, then no one will help you. |
| 18:52.17 | mhall | zebalin7: yeah it's separate driver instead of built-in to the kernel core |
| 18:52.26 | mhall | zebalin7: so if you remove the module or don't compile it in |
| 18:52.29 | MyDot | Woot finally got a gui |
| 18:52.29 | sparr | there are two possibilities. if that file is really in that package, then its a bug with the package. if its not, then its a bug in dpkg, even if i did something else wrong then its still a bug for spitting THAT incorrect error message out. |
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| 18:52.31 | dvs | GutterPunk: And you using kernel-package? |
| 18:52.33 | voxvirus | talking about bugs.. anyone has also had problems with conky segfaulting? |
| 18:52.33 | mhall | zebalin7: then you have no pc speaker noises |
| 18:52.36 | MyDot | the vesa drivers worked abrotman |
| 18:52.39 | MyDot | thanks. |
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| 18:52.43 | teknobrain | ls -l shows a "+" in front of some directries. what does it mean ? |
| 18:52.54 | vieira2 | anyone here knows about tpkg-make? |
| 18:53.07 | GutterPunk | dvs, well not really, I''m building a kernel myself. I need to apply some patches |
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| 18:53.16 | chealer_ | voxvirus: apparently |
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| 18:53.22 | Gnea | sparr: first of all, the package doesn't have a bug - lots of packages have replicated files like that - again, that's why dpkg has various options to fix it, that's why it exists and works the way it does |
| 18:53.23 | GutterPunk | dvs, oh you mean make-kpkg? |
| 18:53.26 | GutterPunk | ey |
| 18:53.27 | dvs | GutterPunk: With make-kpkg? |
| 18:53.29 | GutterPunk | *yes |
| 18:53.36 | loggygreg | GutterPunk: change the subversion in Makefile |
| 18:53.36 | nvz | sparr: PEBKAC will generate some strange errors in perfectly good software |
| 18:53.39 | Gnea | sparr: the system is already setup to fix itself. |
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| 18:53.44 | dvs | GutterPunk: Then use the --append-to-version flag |
| 18:53.55 | tzfardea | hey i'm searching for a professional recording program that includes monitoring and stuff |
| 18:54.04 | dvs | MyDot: and ShadowCat said that nv would work. ha! |
| 18:54.05 | GutterPunk | dvs loggygreg great! thanks |
| 18:54.05 | loggygreg | GutterPunk: EXTRAVERSION sorry |
| 18:54.14 | sparr | Gnea: so if the gnumeric package had /sbin/init in it, that wouldnt be a bug in the gnumeric package? |
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| 18:54.18 | dvs | GutterPunk: You're welcome! |
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| 18:54.22 | Gnea | sparr: nope. |
| 18:54.33 | Gnea | sparr: as long as it's the same file, it'd be fine. |
| 18:54.48 | sparr | ill just have to disagree with you there |
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| 18:54.55 | Gnea | then you're in the wrong. |
| 18:55.06 | sparr | then every single person every installing gnumeric would get an error message |
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| 18:55.19 | Gnea | sparr: even if the md5sum of the file matched, it would be right. |
| 18:55.21 | sparr | --force-* should be the exception, not the rule. |
| 18:55.25 | aphexer | how can i prevent dhclient from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf? Each time I do /etc/init.d/networking/restart my resolv.conf gets overwritten with values from the dhcp server, I don't want that. |
| 18:55.26 | MyDot | I wonder why my internet is not working :S |
| 18:55.28 | abrotman | SO USE IT! |
| 18:55.36 | Gnea | sparr: it's there for a reason. |
| 18:55.43 | sparr | abrotman: and then? its still a problem, even if i get around it. |
| 18:55.54 | Gnea | sparr: take your blindfold off and quit being a dickwad |
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| 18:56.10 | stoner | whats the proper way in debian to add some kernel modules to the init script |
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| 18:56.19 | Gnea | sparr: are you aware of the problem->troubleshoot->solution concept? |
| 18:56.22 | abrotman | sparr: hopefully not |
| 18:56.22 | MyDot | It says that it couldnt autoconfigure DHCP, so I manually typed the subnet, gateway, ip, etc.. and It wont ping google |
| 18:56.27 | sparr | the next thousand people who upgrade the package are also going to have to do --force |
| 18:56.28 | bbrazil | stoner: /etc/modules |
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| 18:56.39 | ludwig | Hallo! |
| 18:56.40 | nvz | stoner: you mean to initrd image or to load via modutils at boot? |
| 18:56.47 | stoner | modutils |
| 18:57.02 | metaperl | how do I find what to set JAVA_HOME to on Debian/testing? |
| 18:57.05 | sparr | im relatively sure, from a simple users perspective, that dpkg is meant to resolve problems like this by itself given properly arranged packages |
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| 18:57.32 | sparr | that it cant resolve this one tells me there is something wrong (whether you want to call it a bug or not) with the package |
| 18:57.34 | Gnea | sparr: so you consider yourself a non-simple user? |
| 18:57.47 | Gnea | come on, it's a manpage |
| 18:57.48 | sparr | Gnea: no, exactly the opposite |
| 18:57.48 | ludwig | I have updated to 2.6.15-1-686 kernel and now having trouble with /dev ... some of the essential devices (dsp and mixer, for example) are in "/dev/.stable/dev" - so all the programs looking for them in "/dev/" do not work ... |
| 18:57.56 | ludwig | Is there a way to configure it? |
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| 18:58.12 | sparr | Gnea: i AM a simple user. dpkg "just works" 99.lotsof9s% of the time. when it doesnt just work, something is wrong. |
| 18:58.24 | abrotman | or you're using unstable |
| 18:58.26 | nvz | stoner: /etc/init.d/modutils is run from symlinks in /etc/rcS.d/S20module-init-tools or S20modutils and reads in a list of modules from /etc/modules |
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| 18:58.49 | sparr | abrotman: invalid excuse. if it doesnt get fixed now then it will still be broken 5 years from now in stable. try again. |
| 18:58.51 | stoner | okay, thx nvz |
| 18:58.56 | nvz | stoner: depends on if you are using 2.6 if you have module-init-tools or the old modutils |
| 18:58.57 | Gnea | sparr: get with the program then - if you think there's a bug, then examine the file from both the cftp and python-twisted-conch packages and find a single difference between the two. |
| 18:58.59 | abrotman | sparr: you're a total fucking moron .. |
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| 18:59.17 | abrotman | sparr: if you think that files don't move from package to package. .you're a flipping idiot |
| 18:59.22 | Gnea | sparr: dpkg works just fine, you're just not using it right. |
| 18:59.40 | jerware | is debian used in the corporate world as much as red hat? |
| 18:59.47 | sparr | abrotman: i think the manpage for cftp hasnt intentionally moved from the cftp package to a completely unrelated package |
| 18:59.48 | jerware | im fed up with fedora |
| 18:59.49 | abrotman | i can't believe he's running unstable . and doesn't know how to fix it |
| 18:59.51 | Gnea | jerware: oh hell no |
| 18:59.53 | nvz | abrotman: pointing out a total fucking moron serves little to no purpose. if they are in fact a total moron it shows enough that anyone who is not a total fucking moron could already tell, and total fucking morons wont understand even if you do. |
| 19:00.01 | tyranix | metaperl: Depends. If you use the free java SDK, then set it to /usr/lib/fjsdk/bin. Otherwise, set it to whereever the java-package installs it. |
| 19:00.09 | abrotman | jerware: depends who you ask .. i use it at my company .. but we're small |
| 19:00.12 | Gnea | abrotman: he's running sid? he has no practical reason to then. |
| 19:00.21 | jerware | oh cause fedora sucks |
| 19:00.30 | sparr | abrotman: im going to pretend you didnt insinuate such. |
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| 19:00.48 | vieira2 | jerware: you mean as a server or as a workstation? |
| 19:00.48 | aphexer | how can i prevent dhclient from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf? Each time I do /etc/init.d/networking/restart my resolv.conf gets overwritten with values from the dhcp server, I don't want that. |
| 19:00.50 | abrotman | sparr: i'll pretend you're smart .. doesn't change what reality is |
| 19:00.57 | centrx | jerware, there's no reason not to use Debian in the "corporate world" if it suits your purposes |
| 19:00.59 | jerware | server viera2 |
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| 19:01.08 | abrotman | aphexer: look in the config page for dhclient |
| 19:01.10 | sparr | abrotman: ok, so why on earth would that file move? make up one reason, anything even remotely plausible |
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| 19:01.24 | vieira2 | jerware: anyway, what you're asking demands quite a research to answer... |
| 19:01.25 | abrotman | sparr: because the maintainer wants it to ? |
| 19:01.32 | sparr | maintainerS |
| 19:01.32 | jerware | oh |
| 19:01.35 | vieira2 | but it can be used nevertheless |
| 19:01.35 | nvz | jerware: sometimes its hard to get corporations to say the "L" word or deal with any Free or Open software.. if they are brainwashed by mainstream.. but if you can smack em around enough to get em to run linux you can usually run one just as easily as the next |
| 19:01.37 | abrotman | sparr: because you used unofficial packages? |
| 19:01.40 | Gnea | sparr: i won't pretend a thing: you're unintelligent and you deserve no help from us any further. |
| 19:01.43 | sparr | nope, both are official |
| 19:01.45 | abrotman | look ... i got two plausible reasons! |
| 19:01.55 | nvz | jerware: the fact that redhat is corporate and has certification programs often makes stupid people feel safer |
| 19:02.12 | jerware | yea |
| 19:02.13 | nvz | jerware: its hard to trust just any geek who says they can do something with your whole business |
| 19:02.22 | jerware | i dont see whats so great about red hat. |
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| 19:02.32 | sparr | Gnea: do you contend that requiring everyone who ever upgrades this package to do --force is normal, or expected? |
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| 19:02.49 | Gnea | sparr: you are now /ignore'd |
| 19:02.52 | aphexer | abrotman: there is no nameserver, dns or resolv.conf in man dhclient, i already checked that :) |
| 19:02.53 | sparr | huzzah! |
| 19:03.01 | nvz | jerware: nothing at all.. they just took the initiative to push linux into the corporate world, and they pay programmers to shrink wrap new code all the time and certify people |
| 19:03.03 | vieira2 | jerware: it seems software vendors used to ship their programs as RPMs |
| 19:03.20 | abrotman | sparr: on unstable .. it's a possibility every day of the week |
| 19:03.21 | vieira2 | anyway redhat isn't bad at all |
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| 19:03.45 | vieira2 | it's just superseded by Debian ;-) |
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| 19:03.59 | jerware | ok, im going to migrate my fedora laptop and server to debian 3.1 and kubuntu on my laptop. thanx for your input fellaz |
| 19:04.04 | xam | heresy! there is nothing that matches debian *ducks* |
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| 19:04.13 | sparr | abrotman: yes, its a possibility. and i know how to fix it on my end, as everyone has pointed out. but before the next guy has to do the same thing, i want to find out if it can be fixed on the other end (by the maintainer). but im not wasting his time until someone else confirms or denies the not-a-bug-but-still-annoying behavior of this package |
| 19:04.21 | jerware | my school teaches straight unix anyway |
| 19:04.46 | dvs | !smite jerware's school |
| 19:04.47 | nvz | jerware: debian's main concerns are freedom, portability, and stability put out a 100% Free Distribution of GNU/Linux software for as many platforms as we can when its stable and ready to be distributed. not like redhat that pays to make sure timely releases are made and bugs are patched..etc |
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| 19:04.55 | abrotman | sparr: then file a fucking bug .. stop being so god damn obtuse |
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| 19:05.15 | abrotman | sparr: for S&G .. apt-file update; apt-file search cftp.1.gz ? |
| 19:05.23 | Gnea | sparr: if it's an annoyance and not a bug, then there isn't a problem. you're just a troll. |
| 19:05.30 | zinx | sparr: the proper way to fix your bug is to file a bug report |
| 19:05.37 | nvz | jerware: redhat and all other distros each play a part in the evolution of all other groups as this is an open project. redhats concentration on things like kernel development and bug patching pays off for everyone who uses the kernel. |
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| 19:05.56 | zinx | sparr: be sure to read the description of the severity levels so you mark the right one |
| 19:06.00 | xrgtn_ | sparr: it's not that hard. run reportbug |
| 19:06.04 | nvz | jerware: gentoobies playing around with optimization techniques will benifit anyone who wants to optimize their software |
| 19:06.05 | abrotman | !info cftp sid |
| 19:06.07 | dpkg | cftp: (A full-screen ftp client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.12-4 (sid), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 19:06.20 | sparr | xrgtn_: i [probably] dont have a working MTA |
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| 19:06.28 | abrotman | sparr: there are two packages that own that file .. file a bug .. or stop whining |
| 19:06.33 | Eftarjin | hi |
| 19:06.51 | nvz | jerware: each group has different goals, thats why there are so many different groups.. but we are all working on the same project we just have different interests. its up to you what you feel is most important |
| 19:06.59 | Gnea | !unstable |
| 19:07.00 | dpkg | i guess unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 19:07.13 | Eftarjin | !syslog |
| 19:07.13 | dpkg | [syslog] the unix facility for logging the messages that programs produce. |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | !unstable =~ s/see sid/see sid. see sid faq./ |
| 19:07.51 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
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| 19:08.53 | sparr | faq sid faq :) |
| 19:09.06 | ludwig | Hallo! |
| 19:09.07 | abrotman | OMGZ .. NEW MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS SERIES! |
| 19:09.11 | Eftarjin | there is a service that handle logging, right ? (example : ftp server's logs) |
| 19:09.12 | Eftarjin | can i make it run some script when a line in some log file matches some regexp ? |
| 19:09.19 | xrgtn_ | reportbug can send without working MTA, or I'm wrong? |
| 19:09.22 | ludwig | I have some trouble with getting udev to work ... |
| 19:09.26 | GutterPunk | Can anyone help me out with a kernel compile error? I only get theses with 2.4 kernels: /usr/src/linux-2.4.31/include/asm/processor.h:75: error: array type has incomplete element type |
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| 19:09.34 | zinx | sparr: i believe it's actually a "serious" bug. |
| 19:09.35 | GutterPunk | *these |
| 19:09.47 | zinx | sparr: due to the "Two different packages must not install programs with different functionality but with the same filenames." |
| 19:09.55 | Gnea | Eftarjin: log2mail |
| 19:09.59 | sparr | xrgtn_: that would be news to me, although im at least 2 years out of date on reportbug. thats how long ago i decided debian's bug system was too archaic for me |
| 19:10.04 | nvz | xrgtn_: send where? to a file? |
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| 19:10.07 | Eftarjin | Gnea: thanks |
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| 19:10.17 | sparr | zinx: manpage isnt a program, so i think not? |
| 19:10.19 | abrotman | xrgtn_: you can use a smarthost |
| 19:10.37 | zinx | sparr: cftp installs /bin, python-twisted-conch installs /usr/bin/cftp |
| 19:10.37 | Gnea | !troll sparr |
| 19:10.42 | zinx | sparr: erh, /bin/cftp |
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| 19:10.51 | zinx | sparr: and the manpages are different, to? |
| 19:10.53 | zinx | erh, no? |
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| 19:11.04 | sparr | zinx: interesting. i did not know that particular part, i had only encountered the manpage conflict. |
| 19:11.20 | xrgtn_ | nvz: to submit@b.d.o |
| 19:11.40 | dweb | hi everyone |
| 19:11.53 | sparr | zinx: where did you get that rule? |
| 19:11.57 | zinx | sparr: now.. whether you file it on python-twisted-conch or cftp is a question ;) |
| 19:11.59 | nvz | xrgtn_: seems hard to do without a mail transport |
| 19:12.02 | zinx | sparr: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.1 |
| 19:12.05 | dweb | what's the best way to create a file storage volume, with a colocated server, between windows and unix... |
| 19:12.09 | dweb | or debian for that matter |
| 19:12.09 | xrgtn_ | abrotman: thanks, I have everything set up :). Well, almost evrth |
| 19:12.15 | dweb | abrotman, what's up my friend |
| 19:12.19 | sparr | my vote says cftp has the rights to that particular binary name :) |
| 19:12.29 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:12.29 | pipeline | dweb: Windows can read ext3. Linux can read NTFS. There's no decent read-write combination. |
| 19:12.29 | xrgtn_ | nvz: python smtp |
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| 19:12.42 | xrgtn_ | smtplib |
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| 19:12.45 | dweb | pipeline, I was thinking NFS |
| 19:12.46 | Gnea | pipeline: samba. |
| 19:12.49 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.56 | pipeline | dweb: Oh, if you're doing the net thing, use samba. |
| 19:13.01 | abrotman | sparr: then tell dpkg that |
| 19:13.02 | pipeline | dweb: Windows has NFS, but it's painful to set up. |
| 19:13.15 | zinx | sparr: probably ;) |
| 19:13.25 | sparr | zinx: i think you qualify as the less-apathetic more-dpkg-skilled person i was waiting for :) |
| 19:13.32 | tchize | pipeline: i agree windows need for speed a bit ^^ |
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| 19:14.01 | abrotman | sparr: it doesn't fix your problem |
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| 19:14.24 | sparr | abrotman: 'man dpkg' fixes MY problem. that was not my goal. i want to fix the problem with the packages. |
| 19:14.37 | abrotman | you can't .. you're not a DD |
| 19:14.46 | abrotman | FIX MY BEEP! |
| 19:14.48 | sparr | sure, but now i can file a bug report |
| 19:14.54 | sparr | as soon as i get a MTA working |
| 19:14.55 | vieira2 | ain't you done yet? |
| 19:15.10 | vieira2 | both of you |
| 19:15.17 | abrotman | it's not funny! |
| 19:15.23 | abrotman | BEEP DAMN YOU! |
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| 19:16.10 | zinx | abrotman: you have the pc speaker driver? |
| 19:16.12 | sparr | does dpkg have any facility for installing packages on a per-user basis, to ~/* (or ~/.local/*) instead of /* ? |
| 19:16.20 | abrotman | zinx: yes |
| 19:16.26 | zinx | sparr: no |
| 19:16.29 | Gnea | sparr: nope |
| 19:16.30 | prog | sparr, no |
| 19:16.36 | zinx | sparr: you can do a chroot, but it's messy and wastes space |
| 19:16.37 | ice_1963 | has some one fix the new xserver-xorg in etch yet? |
| 19:16.42 | abrotman | sparr: you can extract the package |
| 19:16.48 | zinx | sparr: also, requires superuser intervention to be able to perform the chroot |
| 19:16.58 | chealer_ | ice_1963: what does that mean? |
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| 19:17.25 | zinx | abrotman: that has the unfortunate side-effect of rendering many packages useless |
| 19:17.34 | zinx | abrotman: \o/ for hardcoded paths /o\ |
| 19:17.41 | abrotman | zinx: BEEP! |
| 19:17.59 | abrotman | do not get distracted by sparr's unwillingness to file a bug! |
| 19:18.00 | ice_1963 | i can't install nvidia in the new xserver-xorg |
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| 19:18.12 | zinx | abrotman: i think i got him to file one |
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| 19:18.21 | zinx | abrotman: it'll be annoying if i didn't |
| 19:18.27 | Gnea | sparr: alien could easily convert it and make it more usable, or if you knew how .deb files were made you could simply un ar them to find out if something is identical or not, something that a simple apt-cache search could have found you in less time than you spent whining like a litle bitch thinking that we owe you something for nothing |
| 19:18.37 | abrotman | ice_1963: why not? |
| 19:18.49 | prog | sparr, is you want to run separated service, you can use debootstrap utility to create base/core system and then add software you want |
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| 19:19.21 | chealer_ | ice_1963: you can't install "nvidia"? what's nvidia? |
| 19:19.22 | sparr | prog: i just wanted to deb-ify games that arent multi-user-friendly |
| 19:19.44 | kuster | Anyone else get ``eject: unable to ejct, last error: Invalid argument'' when they type `eject cdrom'? If I am the root user, I get the error, but eject still works. If I am a paeon, it doesn't even work. I can't find anything in the eject manpage about this kind of error. Any ideas on how to track down the source of the problem? |
| 19:20.00 | zinx | ice_1963: you're looking for the nvidia-glx package, and its friends |
| 19:20.15 | sparr | zinx: youre right, the cftp binary name does make this bug Serious. i would have picked just Normal for the manpage problem |
| 19:20.15 | Livewire311 | hi all. |
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| 19:20.43 | prog | kuster, and your cdrom media ejects ? |
| 19:21.01 | dsl_ | hello, im running a p160 with 32 mb of ram ,,, ive got dam small on it right now but im not happy with installing stuff.. im wondering if deb would be ok on here ? |
| 19:21.03 | sparr | zinx: assuming the two binaries are different |
| 19:21.12 | Gnea | !assume |
| 19:21.13 | dpkg | hmm... assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 19:21.13 | zinx | sparr: hey, if you're still antsy about it, tell 'em i told you to make it serious ;D |
| 19:21.20 | wam | sparr: http://zero-install.sourceforge.net/ maybe this? |
| 19:21.25 | Livewire311 | I am sick of windows XP. Anyone have suggestions for switching over? (Website reads or such) |
| 19:21.40 | kuster | prog, yes if I am root. It used to be that I could do this as a regular user, without the error. I wonder what changed? |
| 19:21.41 | Gnea | !tell Livewire311 -about newbie-guide |
| 19:21.42 | streuner | !d-i Livewire311 |
| 19:21.43 | dpkg | Livewire311, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:21.46 | tyranix | ice_1963: xserver-xorg conflicts with nvidia-glx <= 1.0.7174-4 which is what testing has. Unstable has nvidia-glx 1.0.8178-1. |
| 19:21.50 | ice_1963 | owell |
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| 19:22.09 | sparr | zinx: gonna unpack the conch package just to see if the cftp is different |
| 19:22.21 | dsl_ | hello, im running a p160 with 32 mb of ram (crappy laptop) ,,, ive got dam small on it right now but im not happy with installing stuff.. im wondering if deb would be ok on here ? |
| 19:22.22 | Livewire311 | thanx dpkg |
| 19:22.23 | dpkg | Livewire311: sure thing |
| 19:22.23 | kuster | prog, to be clear: root gets the error, but eject still seems to work. |
| 19:22.24 | zinx | sparr: i'm pretty sure conch's is "conch ftp" |
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| 19:22.41 | sparr | Livewire311: never used linux? id probably suggest kubuntu over debian for a first timer |
| 19:22.43 | zinx | sparr: use dpkg -X foo.deb or such to extract |
| 19:22.48 | kuster | prog, results are the same if I type `eject ipod' |
| 19:23.07 | sigma | .oO (reject ipod) |
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| 19:24.54 | sparr | zinx: its a symlink to cftp2.3, which IS conch sftp :) |
| 19:24.57 | Livewire311 | kubuntu? |
| 19:25.10 | zinx | sparr: heh |
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| 19:25.12 | vieira2 | sparr: Kubuntu? Why not Ubuntu? |
| 19:25.13 | sparr | Livewire311: KDE version of ubuntu, which is a more user-friendly spinoff of debian |
| 19:25.17 | sparr | vieira2: i hate gnome |
| 19:25.19 | nic | hi |
| 19:25.23 | abrotman | BEEP!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:25.29 | nic | im looking for some lightweight callendar for x |
| 19:25.42 | sparr | nic: how light? mozilla calendar too heavy? |
| 19:25.46 | Livewire311 | does kubuntu support RiserFS and NTFS? |
| 19:25.52 | chealer_ | sparr/vieira2: please stop the Ubuntu discussion |
| 19:25.52 | vieira2 | sparr: you hate gnome and like kde?! jeez... |
| 19:25.54 | nic | sparr yes, far too heavy |
| 19:25.56 | chealer_ | Livewire311: ask #kubuntu |
| 19:26.02 | Livewire311 | ok |
| 19:26.10 | kspath | |
| 19:26.16 | dvs | chealer_: you're bad! ;-) |
| 19:26.19 | nic | words 'mozilla' and 'light' just don't go together |
| 19:26.29 | chealer_ | wow, someone almost spelled RicerFS right :) |
| 19:26.32 | chealer_ | !beer Livewire311 |
| 19:26.42 | vieira2 | Livewire311: pretty much yes, it's a Linux (the kernel) question. Linux supports it, Linux distros too. |
| 19:26.43 | freeone3000 | I hate gnome AND kde. Yay. |
| 19:26.44 | kuster | prog, maybe I will try running eject under strace. That is probably the only way to find out what is happening. |
| 19:26.52 | chealer_ | dvs: thanks |
| 19:27.13 | nic | something like xcallendar? ;) |
| 19:27.19 | sigma | I hate Ubuntu |
| 19:27.32 | chealer_ | vieira2: please stop it, this is a Debian support channel |
| 19:27.37 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 19:27.37 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 19:28.02 | prog | kuster, ok, and what strace outputs ? |
| 19:28.09 | vieira2 | freeone3000: what do you use? GNU screen? ;) |
| 19:28.23 | vieira2 | chealer_: hey... linux kernel is a Debia package |
| 19:28.28 | vieira2 | debian* |
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| 19:28.56 | MyDot | Can't get my net to work ! :( |
| 19:29.03 | Gnea | MyDot: why not? |
| 19:29.17 | dvs | Gnea: DHCP |
| 19:29.17 | sparr | vieira2: for my real desktop i need all the integration of kde. for my servers i just use fluxbox |
| 19:29.19 | abrotman | packets sleeping! |
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| 19:29.30 | sparr | vieira2: gnome feels about 5 years behind kde in terms of features and polish |
| 19:29.34 | MyDot | Not really sure.. I tried setting it up, but it just doesnt work |
| 19:29.35 | zinx | MyDot: try throwing some food to the fish first, so they're all in one spot |
| 19:29.38 | MyDot | no error messages |
| 19:29.50 | kspath | sparr: You install X on servers?!?! |
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| 19:29.55 | Gnea | MyDot: what kind of connection do you have? |
| 19:30.00 | vieira2 | sparr: I just can't get along with KDE. It's so obtrusive an counter intuitive |
| 19:30.01 | MyDot | Ethernet |
| 19:30.10 | ice_1963 | i run kde i love it :0) |
| 19:30.11 | Gnea | kspath: i sure as hell wouldn't hire that idiot to admin a network |
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| 19:30.30 | abrotman | Gnea: why not? |
| 19:30.34 | Gnea | MyDot: yes, ethernet has many different methods of connecting.... |
| 19:30.46 | freeone3000 | vieira2: AfterStep |
| 19:30.55 | MyDot | oh |
| 19:30.55 | Gnea | abrotman: waste of time, resources and a lack of teamwork compatibility |
| 19:31.08 | MyDot | Do you need me to describe the connection? |
| 19:31.09 | vieira2 | Livewire311: try /join ##linux for some distro choosing help |
| 19:31.16 | Gnea | MyDot: please do |
| 19:31.17 | chealer_ | vieira2: and Linux isn't Debian. |
| 19:31.39 | sparr | kspath: no, i install X on terminals. i install X client applications on servers |
| 19:31.47 | MyDot | ok. I have an ethernet wire running from my computer to a router connected to a modem |
| 19:32.02 | vieira2 | freeone3000: I used to use WindowMaker, back 5 years ago. But it got behind... It's too much hassle to set it up the way I want. |
| 19:32.03 | abrotman | cause that makes it better |
| 19:32.21 | kspath | sparr: I hope you are using the term server differently than most people. |
| 19:32.27 | vieira2 | chealer_: I never said that. I said Linux is Debian package |
| 19:32.32 | Gnea | sparr: fluxbox would require an X server, whether it's remote or local - that's still inefficient |
| 19:32.32 | zinx | xterm, just what every server needs. |
| 19:32.47 | Gnea | MyDot: modem? you're on dialup? |
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| 19:32.52 | sparr | kspath: nope, exactly as you think of it. |
| 19:32.55 | MyDot | No, cable |
| 19:33.02 | Gnea | oh |
| 19:33.03 | kspath | omg |
| 19:33.09 | dvs | *sigh* |
| 19:33.35 | chealer_ | vieira2: right, and I didn't say that Debian didn't have a Debian package, I said you were offtopic |
| 19:33.39 | amphi | !comfort kspath |
| 19:33.39 | dpkg | There, there, kspath. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:33.50 | chealer_ | vieira2: s/that Debian/that Linux |
| 19:33.53 | sparr | Gnea: that depends entirely on what youre doing. i work faster from a gui for things like file management |
| 19:33.59 | MyDot | I go to System Tools > Networking and it says "Ethernet lan card Eth0" and there is no check in the activated box next to it |
| 19:34.12 | Livewire311 | Damn if I only knew of this chan earlier on. I gotta bookmark this in my Favorites. |
| 19:34.29 | Gnea | sparr: but the network suffers for it, thus decreasing overall efficiency |
| 19:34.40 | kspath | sparr: I hope you are not getting paid to be a system admin or systems engineer. |
| 19:34.48 | Gnea | sparr: your amount of greed is too high |
| 19:34.50 | sparr | Gnea: i assure you that my remote X is not remotely significant in my network traffic |
| 19:35.03 | chealer_ | vieira2: gah, I guess you understood me |
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| 19:35.21 | vieira2 | chealer_: I agree I was offtopic with the Ubuntu thing. But talking about Linux is offtopic here? Come on! People were talking about some obscure 'cftp' |
| 19:35.21 | Gnea | sparr: nothing you have said today would make me trust your so-called assurances 1% |
| 19:35.26 | vieira2 | chealer_: yes I did :) |
| 19:35.28 | kspath | Gnea: I am going to guess that sparr has 10^50 times too much resources for any purpose. |
| 19:35.33 | Gnea | sparr: or 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% for that matter |
| 19:35.38 | sparr | scratch that. my WIRED network traffic. i admit that the wireless CLIENTS are devoting a significant fraction to it |
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| 19:35.52 | dn4 | Is there some good software out there to create a wireless router?/ |
| 19:35.58 | Gnea | kspath: i'm going to agree with you. |
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| 19:36.02 | guk | yeah |
| 19:36.14 | guk | a wireless network card and a enthernet switch |
| 19:36.16 | MyDot | Should my IP address be 192.168.0.101 or my real one? |
| 19:36.16 | Gnea | MyDot: in windows, how do you usually obtain an IPO? |
| 19:36.24 | chealer_ | vieira2: it's not offtopic as long as it's for Debian support. |
| 19:36.27 | Gnea | guk: he said software, not hardware |
| 19:36.57 | guk | Gnea: yeah ... your wireless card and switch ... of course if your only sharing using wireless then you need active internet connection to the machine then run a AP with the wireless card |
| 19:37.04 | guk | why not pickup a wrt54gl tho |
| 19:37.15 | sparr | kspath: if it impacted the other functions of my network i wouldnt do it. |
| 19:37.27 | Gnea | guk: only if the card is prism2-based. |
| 19:37.31 | dn4 | guk, what software would I need to run to make it happen? |
| 19:37.34 | MyDot | Gnea, an internet gateway |
| 19:37.34 | kimo | guys, can I load balance 2 internet connections with my machine? |
| 19:37.38 | Gnea | otherwise, you're fucked |
| 19:37.42 | sparr | kimo: yes |
| 19:37.45 | vieira2 | chealer_: saying 'every linux distro has the same support for reiserfs and ntfs' doesn't qualify? |
| 19:37.52 | guk | im not too sure ... I use my WRT54Gs for my routing ... |
| 19:38.00 | dvs | same here |
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| 19:38.02 | MyDot | On windows is says Local Area Network (connected) and Internet Gateway (connected) |
| 19:38.03 | guk | it's set at 239MHz mips based linux machine |
| 19:38.07 | kimo | sparr, any guides please? I am finding this too complex |
| 19:38.14 | chealer_ | vieira2: it's OK, but you didn't just say that |
| 19:38.25 | Pi | where does debian put mysql libaries? |
| 19:38.38 | vieira2 | chealer_: I was just more verbose, I guess |
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| 19:38.48 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 19:39.29 | Gnea | MyDot: okay - if you right-clicked on "my network places" then right click on "local lan connection" then on "properties" then on the TCP/IP "properties", what would the "general" tab have to say about it? |
| 19:40.03 | chealer_ | vieira2: you also provided some potentially misleading information |
| 19:40.10 | vieira2 | Did I? |
| 19:40.16 | Gnea | MyDot: it's going to say "obtain ip address automatically" or "use the following ip address:" |
| 19:40.21 | chealer_ | vieira2: right, and Linux has poor NTFS support |
| 19:40.26 | MyDot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.33 | sparr | kimo: beware the problems of load balancing |
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| 19:40.35 | sparr | kimo: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/howto/LRP-Load-Balancing-HOWTO.html |
| 19:40.36 | vieira2 | indeed |
| 19:40.47 | Gnea | MyDot: okay, so then it's sending out a request for an IP address using DHCP |
| 19:40.53 | sparr | kimo: the ones near the middle are the ones applicable to "home" load balancing |
| 19:41.09 | Gnea | MyDot: in that case, you need to tell your eth0 to use dhcp |
| 19:41.15 | Gnea | !tell MyDot about interfaces |
| 19:41.24 | vieira2 | chealer_: but anyway, it's not offtopic to err, as long it's a Debian related error :P |
| 19:41.42 | MyDot | ok, thanks |
| 19:42.03 | chealer_ | vieira2: right, you would just have kindly cluebated if you had done that instead :) |
| 19:42.15 | elad_ | hey, after updating to xorg6.9 ,the nvidia driver ( using one-liner) doesnot working, i mean that the module is loaded, but i cant see the nvidia driver in the xserver-xorg drivers selection part... help please [?] |
| 19:42.20 | chealer_ | vieira2: s/have/have been |
| 19:42.35 | Gnea | dn4: hostapd |
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| 19:42.37 | eSCHEn | Hi, I'm trying to copy an existing server's configuration and I'm going to have a go with Debian. The machine that will become the server has an ATI Radeon installed in it currently, I've had a lot of problems with drivers for this card under Linux in the past, should I change it another card I have lying around (Matrox G400)? |
| 19:42.51 | chealer_ | elad_: that's because nvidia-glx is not installed |
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| 19:43.15 | eSCHEn | Server only, I'm only interested in Apache, MySQL and PHP (all old versions). |
| 19:43.17 | freeone3000 | Praise: Whoever put rpm in our portage thing was very smart. |
| 19:43.19 | sparr | running fluxbox and a few non-flashy X apps doesnt use more than 200kbit to my terminal with X. thats what, 0.2% of my 100Mb? |
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| 19:43.26 | elad_ | chealer_, i cant install nvidia glx without removing Xorg =\ |
| 19:43.31 | vieira2 | chealer_: all right :) anyway, I messaged him to correct my mistake. |
| 19:43.33 | Pi | Checking for mysql support... not found <-- i get this when configuring...i've got libmysqlclient and mysql-server installed |
| 19:43.35 | dvs | eSCHEn: if it's a server, why does the video card matter? |
| 19:43.41 | Pi | any suggestions? |
| 19:43.41 | freeone3000 | eSCHEn: If you're not using graphics, you don't need a video card... |
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| 19:43.45 | user__ | im looking for a lightwieght callednar, give me a shoot |
| 19:43.49 | MyDot | Gnea: WHen I change the setting to "Automatically configure (DHCP)" and then hit Enable, it freezes |
| 19:43.50 | chealer_ | elad_: I know. try getting unstable's NVIDIA drivers (8178) |
| 19:43.58 | sparr | user__: search freshmeat? |
| 19:44.10 | MyDot | Could I have configured the nic wrong or something? |
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| 19:44.12 | zinx | chealer_: unstable's drivers are for x.org |
| 19:44.19 | chealer_ | vieira2: OK |
| 19:44.26 | chealer_ | zinx: yeah...? |
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| 19:44.29 | Gnea | sparr: just because it's labeled 100Mb doesn't mean that it's actually 100Mb - have you ever measured it using some sort of throughput calculator or netload? how about controlling the amount of traffic? |
| 19:44.34 | zinx | chealer_: yeah. |
| 19:44.41 | user__ | sparr, well i was hoping someone already knows something i can apt-get |
| 19:44.48 | zinx | chealer_: sarge is xfree86 afaik.. |
| 19:44.51 | bartm | zinx, weren't there 2 kernel modules broken to get the nvidia work ? |
| 19:44.53 | eSCHEn | Because I'm a wimp and the command line scare me :( |
| 19:44.54 | sparr | Gnea: i regularly ftp files back and forth at 98Mb or so |
| 19:44.58 | vieira2 | zinx: correct |
| 19:45.00 | chealer_ | zinx: I don't see what you mean. elad_ is clearly using Etch |
| 19:45.02 | zinx | bartm: huh? |
| 19:45.08 | zinx | chealer_: oh, nevermind then |
| 19:45.15 | Gnea | MyDot: there's a setting to click on? could you please explain the process you are using, from the get-go? |
| 19:45.19 | elad_ | chealer_, thats right :) |
| 19:45.22 | zinx | chealer_: i figured etch would already have the unstable drivers.. been there for a few weeks in unstable, at least |
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| 19:45.33 | bucky | user__, type cal in a term |
| 19:45.34 | eSCHEn | I was just seeing if ATI's drivers are as bad as they used to be about eight months ago. |
| 19:45.39 | sparr | user__: what do you want? JUST a calendar, for reference? |
| 19:45.43 | chealer_ | zinx: NVIDIA's drivers are hell. gah |
| 19:45.45 | sparr | user__: or do you want a datebook? |
| 19:45.47 | freeone3000 | You'll be fine. |
| 19:45.49 | Gnea | sparr: so you use most of the network's load by default |
| 19:45.57 | user__ | sparr just a callendar ;) |
| 19:46.06 | freeone3000 | You can run under software accel. It's nice enough for any server setup you may need. |
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| 19:46.26 | user__ | bucky thanks that will do ;D |
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| 19:46.38 | freeone3000 | But anyway, apt-get install apache && apt-get install php4 && apt-get install mysql should take care of that. |
| 19:46.39 | sparr | user__: cal :) |
| 19:46.51 | sparr | most people say calendar and they mean like mozilla/outlook/etc |
| 19:46.52 | eSCHEn | That's good to know, I would go with a pre-built version of Debian but I need some pretty old versions of the mentioned apps. |
| 19:46.56 | zinx | chealer_: they were pretty easy to install here, and I'm on amd64 :/ (values of pretty easy == install nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel for my running kernel) |
| 19:47.03 | Gnea | !assume |
| 19:47.03 | dpkg | i guess assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 19:47.13 | pipeline | zinx, chealer_, elad_ : You know, if you don't need GL acceleration, the open source nvidia driver is good enough for normal use. It supports Xv, for example. |
| 19:47.14 | sparr | Gnea: of course, why would it be otherwise? |
| 19:47.17 | MyDot | in gnome, I click on Applications > System Tools > Networking , and then I see "Type: Ethernet Lan Card, Device: eth0" and an activated checkbox that is not checked |
| 19:47.21 | user__ | nah, when i say calendar mean calendar |
| 19:47.23 | user__ | :D |
| 19:47.26 | zinx | pipeline: Oh, I *definitely* need 3d |
| 19:47.32 | zinx | pipeline: really, really fast 3d. |
| 19:47.41 | keck0f | how can i log all apt-get output to a logfile? I tried "apt-get install 2>&1 | tee > apt-get.log" but there is not output on the screen. Could you correct the command? |
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| 19:47.45 | sparr | zinx: for business or pleasure? |
| 19:47.47 | freeone3000 | Get the kernel source and use nidia's normal driver. |
| 19:47.51 | zinx | sparr: both |
| 19:47.53 | bartm | pipeline, did you get tvout work with open source nv ? |
| 19:47.55 | Gnea | sparr: are you in memphis? |
| 19:48.01 | zinx | sparr: i develop and play games :D |
| 19:48.02 | freeone3000 | 'apt-get install <blah> > file_name 2>&1 |
| 19:48.03 | bbrazil | keck0f: man tee |
| 19:48.06 | pipeline | bartm: Never tried it. I was talking about Xvideo, the extension. |
| 19:48.06 | sparr | Gnea: no |
| 19:48.18 | freeone3000 | Course, you replace <blah> |
| 19:48.23 | chealer_ | pipeline: heh, I do know that |
| 19:48.30 | sparr | zinx: linux native stuff or wine/cedega/crossover? |
| 19:48.37 | zinx | sparr: Linux native |
| 19:48.45 | zinx | sparr: i try to avoid win32 |
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| 19:49.02 | zinx | sparr: not a big fan of win32 as a development environment |
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| 19:49.18 | freeone3000 | Windows as a dev environment is a pain in the ass for everything except java. |
| 19:49.19 | sparr | ditto :) |
| 19:49.21 | keck0f | bbrazil: sure, but there is only option -a und -i. is -i necessary? |
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| 19:49.33 | dvs | freeone3000: That is SOOOOOOOOOOO ironic. |
| 19:49.39 | Gnea | sparr: oh, knoxville or nashville? |
| 19:49.54 | sparr | Gnea: i was in Clarksville until last month. why do you ask? |
| 19:49.56 | dvs | or hicksville? |
| 19:50.06 | freeone3000 | dvs: How's that ironic? |
| 19:50.10 | Gnea | sparr: just curious. |
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| 19:50.21 | doomster | I'm looking for a program that solves equations symbolically, any recommendations? |
| 19:50.35 | sparr | doomster: mathematica |
| 19:50.41 | dvs | freeone3000: java is not supported by Microsoft but everything else is. |
| 19:50.50 | dvs | doomster: octive |
| 19:50.53 | sparr | doomster: a ti89 emulator :) |
| 19:50.57 | freeone3000 | dvs: Yep, sure is. |
| 19:50.57 | kofuzed | hhhmmmm does anyone here use pf for their debian firewall |
| 19:50.58 | bbrazil | keck0f: I've not used -i, so I assume not |
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| 19:51.10 | sparr | matlab i think |
| 19:51.14 | kofuzed | !pf |
| 19:51.14 | dpkg | hmm... pf is pink floyd, or a BSD packet filter (not related to Pink Floyd), or http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/index.html |
| 19:51.17 | oramirez` | I am having drmOpenDevice problems |
| 19:51.17 | oramirez` | can't make work xorg |
| 19:51.17 | oramirez` | I am having a Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 |
| 19:51.20 | oramirez` | I an upgrading to the kernel 2.6.15.3 |
| 19:51.23 | tyranix | kofuzed: I don't think it's been ported over. |
| 19:51.36 | sparr | zinx: what do you play? |
| 19:51.47 | Gnea | sparr: mathematica isn't in debian |
| 19:51.57 | kofuzed | i got a pf.conf zealot swearing to me that it has been ported and is the ne standard on linux |
| 19:52.19 | sparr | Gnea: officially? of course not. so very not free |
| 19:52.30 | Gnea | sparr: and thus not supported here. |
| 19:52.34 | kofuzed | i was not thoroughly konvinced but its worth checking out ;^) |
| 19:52.40 | doomster | Correction: I'm looking for a free-as-in-speech program that solves equations symbolically, any recommendations? |
| 19:52.48 | dvs | doomster: octive |
| 19:52.55 | sparr | <dvs> doomster: octive |
| 19:52.58 | eSCHEn | Woo hoo! Network installation iso is finally down, wish me luck :D |
| 19:53.01 | tyranix | kofuzed: If it was, I'd be the first person to switch over. :) I haven't seen any port to Linux. It's certainly not standard: iptables still is. |
| 19:53.05 | kofuzed | doomster: MATTlab |
| 19:53.08 | zinx | sparr: RTSs, FPSs, and RPGs (not MMORPG, however) |
| 19:53.14 | Gnea | !info octive |
| 19:53.25 | Gnea | !+info octive |
| 19:53.26 | dpkg | Package 'octive' does not exist. |
| 19:53.29 | tyranix | It's octave. |
| 19:53.29 | vieira2 | !info octave |
| 19:53.30 | doomster | seems octive is not in debian though... |
| 19:53.32 | sparr | zinx: Savage, Enemy Territory, Cube/Sauerbraten? |
| 19:53.34 | dpkg | octave: (GNU Octave language for numerical computations (2.1 branch)), section math, is optional. Version: 1:2.1.72-10 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 19:53.41 | zinx | sparr: Enemy Territory |
| 19:53.50 | doomster | oh. |
| 19:53.51 | Gnea | aaaah |
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| 19:54.06 | zinx | sparr: currently the plublic servers seem to be flooded with aimbots, though |
| 19:54.13 | Gnea | it certainly helps to spell things right |
| 19:54.19 | doomster | who would expect anything but music software behind octave.... |
| 19:54.21 | sparr | zinx: you really need to try Savage. unfortunately its a bitch to get running now that the community has taken over patching and is windows-centric |
| 19:54.37 | MyDot | I am so confused :P |
| 19:54.40 | vieira2 | doomster: I wouldn't expect |
| 19:54.44 | vieira2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.47 | Gnea | MyDot: where are you at? |
| 19:54.56 | vieira2 | doomster: I wouldn't expect 'octave' in front of anything :) |
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| 19:55.23 | sparr | zinx: now youve got me in a quandry... try to install Savage, or play some ET. damn you :-p |
| 19:55.43 | elad_ | chealer_ , zinx , pipeline , thanx guys, i'll try to update from sid's reps |
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| 19:55.56 | MyDot | Gnea: I am tryint to change the "Network Settings" |
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| 19:56.01 | k31th | hi |
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| 19:56.04 | Gnea | MyDot: using what? |
| 19:56.19 | MyDot | from Applications > System Tools> Networking |
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| 19:56.37 | zinx | sparr: hehe |
| 19:56.50 | Gnea | MyDot: ok i don't know that one - is that kde? |
| 19:56.54 | sparr | when i installed debian i installed Games/* |
| 19:56.54 | MyDot | Gnome |
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| 19:57.06 | zinx | sparr: ET's a great game :D |
| 19:57.06 | sparr | i need to start removing the crappy games, it would make dpkg run so much faster |
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| 19:57.35 | Gnea | MyDot: are you logged in as root? |
| 19:57.39 | MyDot | yes |
| 19:57.48 | Gnea | ok, forget the menu then |
| 19:57.50 | sparr | zinx: have you watched the ET:QW trailer? |
| 19:57.51 | Gnea | open an xterm |
| 19:57.56 | MyDot | ok |
| 19:58.02 | zinx | sparr: yeah |
| 19:58.02 | k31th | guys i dont want to use inetd but if i try to remove it, it wants to remove half of my services proftpd bind9 etc... im doing 'apt-get remove netkit-inetd' |
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| 19:58.27 | Gnea | k31th: bad move - why do you want to remove it? |
| 19:58.28 | sparr | zinx: do you play any UT games? |
| 19:58.33 | zinx | sparr: nope |
| 19:58.35 | k31th | is there another way of starting pop3 imap etc, or should i just leave it installed |
| 19:58.37 | abrotman | k31th: why would you remove it ? |
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| 19:58.46 | zinx | sparr: UT's teamplay element is lacking, IMHO |
| 19:58.51 | MyDot | xterm opened |
| 19:58.59 | zinx | sparr: especially in the supposed team-play modes |
| 19:59.02 | k31th | well no reason i guess i figured i wasunt using |
| 19:59.12 | Gnea | k31th: it depends on what daemons you're running - some work better thru inetd and some don't |
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| 19:59.44 | k31th | another quick question. If i am only running the services i need i.e httpd dns ftp is there any call for a firewall ? |
| 19:59.49 | bbrazil | k31th: usually they'll work without having to use inetd. try reconfiguring the various packages |
| 20:00.08 | Gnea | MyDot: cat /etc/network/interfaces <-- anything there regarding eth0? |
| 20:00.12 | bbrazil | k31th: never hurts to have a firewall |
| 20:00.15 | k31th | the box is remote im a little worried about locking my self out thru iptable rules |
| 20:00.16 | abrotman | k31th: yes |
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| 20:00.32 | k31th | i see |
| 20:00.41 | bbrazil | k31th: shorewall has a feature where you can try out new firewall rules for a few seconds |
| 20:00.42 | k31th | so i should ? |
| 20:00.53 | MyDot | Gnea: Yes |
| 20:00.56 | doomster | k31th, a firewall also prevents your local worms from contacting their outside masters... |
| 20:00.57 | MyDot | Auto eth0 |
| 20:01.11 | kspath | k31th: my recommendation is learn iptables and learn cron |
| 20:01.18 | sparr | zinx: be that as it may, UT2004 is an amazing engine for mods. if you own a copy youve discarded id seriously suggest installing it and trying out Metaball and Damnation and Alien Swarm |
| 20:01.23 | k31th | bbrazil: just so long i dont save the firewall rules i can reboot and all should be good ? |
| 20:01.35 | bbrazil | k31th: that works too |
| 20:01.43 | zinx | sparr: heh |
| 20:01.43 | k31th | kspath: perhaps you are right |
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| 20:01.47 | Gnea | MyDot: anything else? |
| 20:01.50 | kspath | k31th: you can have a "tested" version of your rules replace the testing rules after 5 or 10 minutes of testing. |
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| 20:02.01 | zinx | sparr: i might buy a copy now that i'd get decent framerate in it |
| 20:02.07 | erhanugur | hi, Eject /dev/hdc failed! :( |
| 20:02.11 | sparr | zinx: metaball is a puzzle game, kinda like super monkey ball. damnation is a third/first person action adventure, like tomb raider or prince of persia with guns. alien swarm is an overhead (2d-ish) squad action shooter, single or multiplayer |
| 20:02.20 | Gnea | erhanugur: that sucks |
| 20:02.22 | kspath | ke1th: this idea applies to almost any firewall on almost any platform. |
| 20:02.22 | MyDot | Yes, it says "iface eth0 inet dhcp" under primary network interface |
| 20:02.24 | zinx | sparr: i'm used to having far more flexibility in creating mods, though :) |
| 20:02.26 | Gnea | !tell erhanugur -about ask |
| 20:02.43 | erhanugur | ok |
| 20:02.45 | k31th | i guess i could test the rules out on a local deb box then add the rules to the remore when im happy with them etc |
| 20:02.47 | sparr | zinx: heh, i think you havent seen real mods :) |
| 20:02.59 | Gnea | MyDot: ifconfig eth0 <-- does that show anything in inet addr:? |
| 20:03.05 | zinx | sparr: i think having to create them on win32 in unrealscript is restrictive ;) |
| 20:03.08 | sparr | zinx: if youre thinking of 'just another shooter with different rules' then you REALLY need to check out UT mods. |
| 20:03.23 | sparr | zinx: theres also Unreal Annihilation, a clone of the RTS Total Annihilation |
| 20:03.27 | jetscreamer | there is only id |
| 20:03.30 | kspath | k31th: I recommend having a set of known good/safe rules to run via root cron just in case. |
| 20:03.42 | MyDot | Gnea: yes, its says 192.168.0.101 |
| 20:04.12 | Gnea | MyDot: ok, now type: route <-- is there a default line? if so, is there something under Gateway? |
| 20:04.43 | sparr | zinx: and if you really want team play, try Air Buccaneers. think pirate ship battles, but instead of ships your on hot air balloons with cannons. |
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| 20:04.59 | MyDot | nope |
| 20:05.14 | Gnea | MyDot: ifconfig <-- type that by itself, does eth0 show up? |
| 20:05.48 | freeone3000 | Using sun's RPM VM, aliening the RPM to a DEB then dpkg -i the deb, it can't find libjava.so, but there is a libkjava.so.1. Can I link one to the other? |
| 20:05.52 | MyDot | eth0, eth1, eth2 and lo |
| 20:06.03 | sparr | zinx: or, again on the "not a shooter" mod streak, theres Duffer's Golf |
| 20:06.22 | Gnea | MyDot: do they all have IP's assigned in the inet addr: fields? |
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| 20:06.46 | Gnea | freeone3000: uninstall that. |
| 20:06.55 | Gnea | freeone3000: java-package |
| 20:06.57 | Gnea | oops |
| 20:06.59 | UFO | ok... why should i choose debian and not the ubuntu |
| 20:07.07 | ke6isf | !tell freeone3000 -about java |
| 20:07.07 | jetscreamer | UFO: that's up to you |
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| 20:07.12 | pipeline | UFO: I don't know. Why don't you ask the Ubuntu people? |
| 20:07.16 | MyDot | Gnea: all except eth1 |
| 20:07.20 | sparr | zinx: http://duffers.beyondunreal.com/shots.php?pic=images/shots/shot511_2.jpg |
| 20:07.21 | Gnea | !tell freeone3000 -about java-package |
| 20:07.24 | jetscreamer | UFO: hang in both channels and just watch |
| 20:07.27 | dvs | UFO: Why don't you install it and find out |
| 20:07.32 | MyDot | and they are different, one is 192.168.0.101 and the other is 214. something |
| 20:07.37 | jetscreamer | you'll see which |
| 20:07.47 | Gnea | MyDot: how many ethernet cards do you have? |
| 20:07.58 | ke6isf | UFO: The only reason I can suggest is that we are the ones that the Debian Based stuff bases their wares on - and we don't support 'em. Other than that, it's entirely up to you. |
| 20:08.02 | MyDot | I thought only one :S |
| 20:08.09 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 20:08.11 | sparr | damnit |
| 20:08.19 | sparr | i cant play ET because ive got the wrong libGL.so.1 again |
| 20:08.22 | MyDot | but when I was installing, it said that I had two |
| 20:08.26 | sparr | i loathe upgrading nvidia drivers! |
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| 20:08.32 | abrotman | so don't do it |
| 20:08.37 | UFO | stop the nosy thing... im really wondering between both of them... |
| 20:08.55 | Gnea | sparr: i bet you aren't even doing it right |
| 20:08.56 | ke6isf | nosy thing? |
| 20:08.56 | jetscreamer | yeah debian/xorg seems to suck at gfx by default setup |
| 20:09.11 | jetscreamer | idstuff never works right till you fix it |
| 20:09.20 | jetscreamer | !quake4 bork |
| 20:09.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, quake4 bork is for quake4(and d3 i'd guess) libsdl1.2debian-all_1.2.9-0.1_i386.deb vs libsdl1.2debian-alsa_1.2.9-0.1_i386.deb . all bad, alsa good. see updated versions also. |
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| 20:09.25 | UFO | i used debian for long time, but i dont like the idea what they are doing to deb system... like suse, mandriva to rpm... |
| 20:09.37 | jetscreamer | what are they doing to it |
| 20:09.40 | vin` | eh? |
| 20:09.41 | UFO | ubuntu to debian |
| 20:09.48 | ke6isf | UFO: *blinkblink* Eh? |
| 20:09.48 | Gnea | UFO: huh? |
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| 20:10.02 | kspath | ?? |
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| 20:10.02 | jetscreamer | he means ubuntu using debian source or something |
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| 20:10.06 | zinx | sparr: best to use the packages |
| 20:10.07 | *** part/#debian TrueDD (n=dsimon@dan75-2-82-67-149-198.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:10.09 | bucky | stop that nosy thing!!! |
| 20:10.14 | zinx | sparr: or if you won't use the packages, use dpkg-divert |
| 20:10.24 | zinx | sparr: (for nVidia driver upgrades) |
| 20:10.26 | Gnea | bucky: put down the crackpipe! |
| 20:10.30 | sparr | zinx: i use the packages with module-assistant, when it works |
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| 20:10.42 | jetscreamer | it's not the nvida binary it's the debian/xorg libs |
| 20:11.04 | Neverth | mesa libs.... |
| 20:11.06 | sparr | gah! |
| 20:11.13 | MyDot | I think I must have two ethernet cards |
| 20:11.18 | sparr | i cant use apt-get until i resolve the python-twisted-conch problem |
| 20:11.18 | Gnea | MyDot: weird - okay, run this: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:11.22 | jetscreamer | yeah and maybe libglsomething i forget |
| 20:11.24 | dvs | MyDot: Looks like three |
| 20:11.36 | sparr | how do i remove a package from apt-get's pending install list? |
| 20:11.56 | jetscreamer | maybe --forget-selections in dpkg but not sure |
| 20:12.03 | Gnea | freeone3000: please do not PM me |
| 20:12.04 | abrotman | oh god .. not dpkg again! |
| 20:12.04 | jetscreamer | seen something somewhere though |
| 20:12.13 | jetscreamer | abrotman would know |
| 20:12.13 | sparr | abrotman: no, not dpkg. apt-get |
| 20:12.19 | zinx | sparr: you can forcibly install it |
| 20:12.21 | UFO | yes after a while we got packages for ubuntu wich wont work on debian... and then the show begins |
| 20:12.22 | Gnea | MyDot: then run: route |
| 20:12.25 | sparr | zinx: i dont want to install it. |
| 20:12.29 | Gnea | MyDot: is there a default yet? |
| 20:12.34 | zinx | sparr: then you can remove it :D |
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| 20:12.40 | sparr | zinx: how? |
| 20:12.48 | Neverth | mmm...amarok 1.4, i love mp4 support |
| 20:12.48 | ufoalien | wuaa |
| 20:12.49 | zinx | sparr: apt-get remove python-twisted-conch |
| 20:12.50 | jetscreamer | he means w/o installing it |
| 20:12.50 | ufoalien | an UFO |
| 20:12.53 | kspath | UFO: wtf are you talking about? Ubuntu is not Debian and Debian is not Ubuntu. |
| 20:12.59 | Gnea | UFO: that's the way it's supposed to be - they're not meant to be inter-operable |
| 20:13.55 | UFO | kspath: but both uses debs |
| 20:13.55 | abrotman | sparr: remove the package |
| 20:13.56 | MyDot | after the networking restart it says failed to bring up eth0 |
| 20:13.56 | vin` | UFO: 100s of distros use .debs |
| 20:13.56 | ringo999 | hi. im running debian unstable with gnome. what do i have to do if i want to use kde? |
| 20:13.56 | zinx | sparr: or, alternatively, cftp |
| 20:13.57 | Gnea | UFO: doesn't mean they use the SAME debs - you have to pay attention to where you get packages from |
| 20:13.57 | eSCHEn | Is there some kind of problem with the 3.1r1a netinst iso? MD5 checks out and I've read the notice posted 2005-12-24 by Steve McIntyre and I definately have the new version. |
| 20:13.57 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kde-something |
| 20:13.57 | bucky | UFO, yeah.. which one do you use? |
| 20:13.57 | sparr | zinx and abrotman: apt-get wont do anything for me until i install it, including removing it. dpkg wont remove it because its not installed. |
| 20:13.58 | zinx | sparr: the package description for cftp doesn't exactly give it raving reviews :) |
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| 20:13.58 | ringo999 | jetscreamer: and where do i run/choose kde? |
| 20:14.00 | kspath | UFO: AND? let me install this deadrat enterprise 4 rpm on your Fedora core 3 and watch the fun. |
| 20:14.12 | abrotman | sparr: man dpkg .. look for --set-selection |
| 20:14.14 | zinx | sparr: remove cftp w/ dpkg then, dpkg --remove cftp |
| 20:14.14 | MyDot | and before it says failed to bring up eth0, it says eth0: unkown hardware address type |
| 20:14.26 | dn4 | What types of Wireless software is recommended to turn the device into a AP and also firewall the device// |
| 20:14.29 | UFO | bucky: now i have the kubuntu but downloading debian netinst package... |
| 20:14.48 | bucky | UFO, so what's wrong with kubuntu? |
| 20:14.51 | freeone3000 | ringo999: When you type 'startx' |
| 20:14.59 | ringo999 | freeone3000: ok |
| 20:15.00 | sparr | now i have to wait for my dist-upgrade to finish |
| 20:15.02 | Fox_1_ | does anyone install ndsad?? |
| 20:15.04 | freeone3000 | `sudo' gets annoying after about 2 times... |
| 20:15.14 | zinx | sparr: dist-upgrades are eeevil |
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| 20:15.27 | Fox_1_ | i have a problem with ndsad compiling. |
| 20:15.28 | UFO | bucky: debian repositorys not working on it... ;) |
| 20:15.31 | sparr | zinx: especially when you wait 6 months and miss a qt version upgrade :) |
| 20:15.46 | Neverth | why using dist-upgrade? just stick to sid? |
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| 20:15.50 | bucky | UFO, they're not supposed to.. it's a different distro |
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| 20:15.58 | kspath | Sunday moron patrols are out in force this day! |
| 20:16.06 | dvs | Neverth: that's even MORE reason to use dist-upgrade |
| 20:16.08 | Gnea | UFO: you didn't RTFM then. |
| 20:16.21 | sparr | sticking to stable is for people who dont want to run anything new |
| 20:16.30 | Neverth | dvs, what? upgrade is enough here |
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| 20:16.34 | Baldomero | hello, does anyone know if the last NetInst Etch Iso is working? didn't for me with LVM |
| 20:16.38 | UFO | bucky: yes i think i know that... not an beginner |
| 20:16.39 | jetscreamer | etch is the way to go imo |
| 20:16.50 | sparr | i used to use testing when i installed debian |
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| 20:17.01 | dvs | Neverth: Package names change frequently in sid so just upgrade won't cut it |
| 20:17.02 | sparr | but then i try to compile something new and i need like 30 unstable packages to go with it |
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| 20:17.11 | sparr | my testing turns into unstable 30 packages at a time, very fast |
| 20:17.15 | jlott | i'm trying to reset a root password on a debian 3.1 box |
| 20:17.17 | Gnea | UFO: if you're not a beginner, then what's the problem? |
| 20:17.18 | MyDot | How can I make it so I dont have to type startx everytime the computer reboots |
| 20:17.20 | jlott | i boot into single user mode |
| 20:17.22 | sparr | which is even more work than just using unstable to begin with |
| 20:17.24 | jetscreamer | !i forgot root's password |
| 20:17.24 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 20:17.24 | jlott | run /bin/passwd |
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| 20:17.29 | Neverth | hehe, i had sare in the beginnig, tried etch but it was broken, sid works great |
| 20:17.37 | jlott | awesome |
| 20:17.43 | Fox_1_ | who use ndsad?? |
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| 20:18.06 | LinuxCart | Hello all. |
| 20:18.07 | dvs | !dm |
| 20:18.07 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 20:18.09 | Gnea | MyDot: check your cabling |
| 20:18.25 | MyDot | Yeah, I did :( It is fine |
| 20:18.27 | UFO | Gnea: askin what you guys are thinking... but got lot of answers that here are some linux only shithead who doesnt understand the real world... not meaning you ;) |
| 20:18.35 | dn4 | how secure is the base install of debian compared to a slackware install on wireless secerity? |
| 20:18.36 | MyDot | and the internet is not down either :( |
| 20:18.54 | ice_1963 | testing broken it's xserver-xorg |
| 20:19.12 | harleyg | hey |
| 20:19.23 | kspath | UFO: Do you know/live in the real world? |
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| 20:19.30 | LinuxCart | I've just compiled 2.6.15.4 but I have noticed this kernel tree has severely taken into account the filesystem attributes, so there are lots of files that can't be removed on startup |
| 20:19.30 | sparr | i would like to start up applications on a per-wm basis using kdm to select my wm, is there any way to do that? |
| 20:19.36 | Fox_1_ | people i have problem with ndsad compiling. how can help me??? |
| 20:19.38 | UFO | everyone should realize that when you are working with computers to live you have to deal with windows... like 3dstudiomax |
| 20:19.46 | LinuxCart | does deb packages take this into account¿' |
| 20:20.04 | sparr | i think if i uninstalled crappy games my dpkg would spend a lot less time "(Reading database..." |
| 20:20.11 | UFO | kspath: probably not... but lets change the subject |
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| 20:20.22 | sparr | UFO: 3dsmax runs just fine under wine last i checked |
| 20:20.39 | Neverth | sparr, just get ram and big AMD, no waiting |
| 20:20.44 | ice_1963 | owell no one know's |
| 20:20.57 | sparr | Neverth: ive got a gig of ram already |
| 20:21.03 | UFO | sparr: thats new to me? have to check it |
| 20:21.15 | Gnea | UFO: yeah, it's sunday :) |
| 20:21.23 | sparr | Neverth: another gig might cut my wait from 5 minutes to 3 minutes? |
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| 20:21.46 | SperMite | alright im using apache2. and my router got reset. I'm using port 187 for apache, so for my start and end prts do i use 187 |
| 20:22.37 | Fox_1_ | ~~~ |
| 20:22.39 | Fox_1_ | ~ |
| 20:22.55 | kspath | There are plenty of 3D tools for linux without needing to go to windblowz though I know that since everyone else uses something it often ends up being a mess. |
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| 20:23.04 | Neverth | sparr, ...lol even with this 'spare parts express' (768sdram and 1.3ghz duron) i got ellofa lot packages and it doesn't take too much time during "reading/preparing packages" |
| 20:23.30 | MyDot | :( |
| 20:23.31 | jetscreamer | in dmesg, why would i get spammed with VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hde4 VFS: Can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev hde4 Unable to identify CD-ROM format. FAT Bogus number of reserved sectors VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev hde4. |
| 20:23.35 | jetscreamer | it's jfs |
| 20:23.38 | Fox_1_ | ?????/ |
| 20:23.51 | mhall | maddoc: hey i'm sorry i couldn't help very much with your kernel problem |
| 20:23.56 | bucky | Fox_1_, do you have libpcap-dev installed? |
| 20:24.09 | Fox_1_ | bucky yes |
| 20:24.29 | mhall | maddoc: i was a bit incapacitated |
| 20:24.30 | MyDot | thanks gnea |
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| 20:24.44 | bucky | Fox_1_, got an error? |
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| 20:24.48 | maddoc | mhall: Ok, well, thanks anyway. :-) |
| 20:25.01 | mhall | maddoc: did you get it figured out? |
| 20:25.12 | maddoc | mhall: I think the problem may has something to do with xen. |
| 20:25.14 | sparr | Neverth: define "ellofa lot" :) |
| 20:25.16 | maddoc | have* |
| 20:25.23 | mhall | maddoc: btw note to self: don't help with debian problems after you have been arrested for being too drunk |
| 20:25.30 | maddoc | :-D |
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| 20:25.40 | jetscreamer | irc in jail? |
| 20:25.42 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 20:25.49 | sparr | Neverth: 3000? |
| 20:25.49 | mathieu | hi, someone installed me a amd64 with i386 version of debian. also installed an amd64 kernel. now i get mismatch between iptables and the kernel. is there a way to convert the system completely to amd64? |
| 20:25.57 | nijan | Hello, i sthere a way to download a package with all the dependencies? Because I've not an internet access in my linux box |
| 20:25.57 | mhall | jetscreamer: i wasn't causing enough trouble for that apparently |
| 20:26.17 | zinx | mathieu: only a reinstall |
| 20:26.22 | mhall | jetscreamer: so they emptied out my pockets, tossed me in their car, told me not to barf in it, and then booted me back to my apt. |
| 20:26.24 | Neverth | sparr, trying to find out howto get the numbers outta dpkg |
| 20:26.31 | zinx | mathieu: would be easier to install a k7 kernel, or such |
| 20:26.36 | sparr | Neverth: im using "dpkg -l | wc -l" |
| 20:26.37 | mhall | jetscreamer: i did get all my shit back though |
| 20:26.48 | Fox_1_ | bucky it gives error in: /usr/include/c++/3.3/bits/stl_algo.h:212 undefinde reference to 'pcap_findalldevs' |
| 20:26.51 | mhall | jetscreamer: and they didn't take my cash |
| 20:26.58 | mhall | jetscreamer: and i probably deserved it |
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| 20:27.03 | mhall | jetscreamer: so i can't complain |
| 20:27.12 | Neverth | sparr, 2702 |
| 20:27.16 | mhall | jetscreamer: coulda been lots worse |
| 20:27.22 | sparr | well, youre close to me |
| 20:27.22 | Neverth | in this |
| 20:27.31 | Neverth | dunno about the big amd |
| 20:27.45 | sparr | but still, im gonna try to ditch some |
| 20:27.58 | abrotman | BEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:28.09 | sparr | do packages have any sort of "this is only a dependency" marking? for libraries and such |
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| 20:28.17 | bucky | Fox_1_, which version of libpcap do you have installed? |
| 20:28.21 | Fox_1_ | bucky must I have installed mysql or pgsql?? |
| 20:28.35 | Neverth | sparr, you can open package with dpkg-deb |
| 20:28.37 | nvz | !wayttd sparr |
| 20:28.53 | Neverth | and look the insides, and in this case the control-file |
| 20:28.58 | zinx | sparr: only with aptitude |
| 20:29.00 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 20:29.00 | dpkg | niihau, abrotman |
| 20:29.10 | zinx | sparr: but there's a 'deborphan' utility that may help you |
| 20:29.19 | Fox_1_ | bucky 0.8 and 0.7, but dev package only for 0.7. |
| 20:29.46 | devicenull | quick question, how well would X run on a laptop with 128mb of ram, and a |
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| 20:29.51 | devicenull | 1.2ghz processor? |
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| 20:29.57 | aarchie | Tiger auditor recently came up with a few security problems which then disappeared on the next run. Should I be worried about this? I haven't found any other evidence of an attack. The messages are: |
| 20:30.04 | aarchie | "# Running chkrootkit (/usr/sbin/chkrootkit) to perform further checks...", "NEW: --WARN-- [rootkit004w] Chkrootkit has detected a possible rootkit installation" & "NEW: Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed" |
| 20:30.04 | bucky | Fox_1_, that's not what it says here http://www.tcpdump.org/lists/workers/2004/01/msg00032.html |
| 20:30.13 | zinx | devicenull: pretty good, unless you try KDE with a lot of stuff, in which case you might prefer to have 256MB of ram |
| 20:30.43 | Fox_1_ | bucky and what it says there? (i can't open it know) |
| 20:30.46 | aredhel | nijan, take a look at apt-zip |
| 20:30.50 | sparr | yeah, orphans is what ill be looking for |
| 20:30.51 | aarchie | A look on google gave me the idea that these were a known false alarm. Can anyone confirm this? |
| 20:31.01 | sparr | once i remove a few hundred games i was hoping for a way to remove libraries i dont need any more |
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| 20:31.18 | devicenull | because right now my laptop is running XP, I'd like to move it over to debian :) |
| 20:31.43 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 20:31.48 | dvs | devicenull: format it!! |
| 20:31.57 | sparr | dpkg: nvidia-one-liner |
| 20:32.03 | devicenull | I cant right now |
| 20:32.06 | sparr | ~nvidia-one-liner |
| 20:32.09 | sparr | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 20:32.12 | devicenull | It's running some windows only software I need |
| 20:32.20 | Fox_1_ | bucky ? |
| 20:32.22 | sparr | apt nvidia one-liner |
| 20:32.23 | apt | apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick ... |
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| 20:32.26 | sparr | there we go |
| 20:32.37 | vieira2 | devicenull: shrink the NTFS partition... Debian Installer can do this for you |
| 20:32.42 | chealer_ | !tell sparr about msg the bot |
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| 20:32.53 | vieira2 | devicenull: I have tried it before :) |
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| 20:33.23 | sparr | chealer_: cant if i dont remember which bot :-p |
| 20:33.25 | devicenull | thats always an option, I could get about 10gb by shrinking it |
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| 20:33.37 | devicenull | only problem is the machine lacks a cd-rom drive, so I would have to install over the network |
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| 20:33.51 | sparr | A lot of games are telling me this (then crashing): "Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.8174, but this library is version 1.0.8178. Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version." |
| 20:33.53 | dvs | devicenull: USB port? |
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| 20:34.00 | devicenull | yea |
| 20:34.06 | devicenull | and I do have a USB HD enclosure |
| 20:34.11 | devicenull | which I could probably use |
| 20:34.15 | freeone3000 | I ln'd the things in /usr/bin to the things in /usr/share/java/jdk_/bin, but it still tries to use gij and gcj for some reason. |
| 20:34.20 | dvs | devicenull: You can write the netinstall to a USB drive |
| 20:34.20 | bucky | Fox_1_, |
| 20:34.23 | bucky | You have to link with the 0.8.1 |
| 20:34.30 | freeone3000 | And yeah, I rm'd everything related to gij |
| 20:34.30 | devicenull | Its got a floppy drive |
| 20:34.33 | devicenull | so that would work |
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| 20:34.44 | Fox_1_ | bucky, ok |
| 20:35.20 | chealer_ | sparr: sure, just try them all |
| 20:35.28 | bucky | Fox_1_, remove what ever libpcap you've got and apt-get install libpcap0.8 libpcap0.8-dev |
| 20:35.54 | UFO | enyone got skype on 64bit system without chrooting |
| 20:35.57 | chealer_ | sparr: paste the output of $ dpkg -l nvidia*; somewhere |
| 20:36.06 | abrotman | UFO: it's binary only .. check thier site |
| 20:36.06 | vieira2 | devicenull: I don't think a floppy drive is essential... |
| 20:36.09 | asg | UFO: #debian-amd64 might know |
| 20:36.15 | Fox_1_ | bucky i have installed libpcap0.8, libpcap0.8-dev and libpcap0.7. all tree:) |
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| 20:36.22 | devicenull | well its better then booting off a usb drive I would think |
| 20:36.27 | devicenull | I dont even know if this laptop can |
| 20:36.29 | nisc | OT: is it just me or are ebay, paypal, slashdot down? |
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| 20:36.33 | UFO | asg: thx |
| 20:36.44 | dvs | devicenull: if your laptop can boot off of USB then it doesn't matter |
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| 20:36.51 | Fox_1_ | bucky and libpcap0.8 version is 0.8.3-5 |
| 20:36.54 | asg | nisc: must be you, slashdot is fine |
| 20:37.01 | nisc | ebay? |
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| 20:37.17 | kspath | yabe? |
| 20:37.21 | vieira2 | nisc: just your town |
| 20:37.38 | nisc | brrr |
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| 20:38.20 | bucky | Fox_1_, dpkg -l libpcap0.8-dev |
| 20:38.25 | freeone3000 | <freeone3000> I ln'd the things in /usr/bin to the things in /usr/share/java/jdk_/bin, but it still tries to use gij and gcj for some reason. How do I prevent it from doing so? |
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| 20:38.59 | sparr | chealer_: ive got the 8178 versions of everything |
| 20:39.06 | slashseed | hi |
| 20:39.12 | asg | freeone3000: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 20:39.14 | ringo999 | what is the regular keybinding for switching deskops in kde? |
| 20:39.15 | sparr | chealer_: problem is m-a is still targetting the 8174 package |
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| 20:39.28 | freeone3000 | asg: apt-get's not finding it. |
| 20:39.35 | chealer_ | sparr: I'd still appreciate a paste |
| 20:39.37 | sparr | Setting up nvidia-kernel-source (1.0.8178-1) ... Target package file /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-1-k7_1.0.8174-1+2.6.14-1_i386.deb already exists, not rebuilding! |
| 20:39.40 | sparr | ok |
| 20:39.43 | asg | freeone3000: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:39.46 | dvs | !tell freeone3000 -about contrib |
| 20:39.47 | ringo999 | ive only used gnome sofar, but kde actually doesnt seem to be that bad |
| 20:40.01 | freeone3000 | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:40.06 | Fox_1_ | bucky i think i found the problem i have install libpcap0.7-dev not libpcap0.8-dev |
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| 20:40.17 | asg | freeone3000: then see what dvs said above |
| 20:40.17 | sparr | http://rafb.net/paste/results/yZ4TEF80.html |
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| 20:41.06 | YouCeyE | hello.. i am using dhcp and my net goes down sometimes.. and i need to redo dhclient eth0 to get back on net connection |
| 20:41.32 | chealer_ | sparr: which kernel do you run? |
| 20:41.41 | DaveLib | hello i am running celestia-gnome in gnome in sarge i backported the celestia from etch to sarge thanks to help from #debian |
| 20:41.46 | YouCeyE | are there any utilities to manage this automatically? i am looking for a small utitility which checks for net connection when it goes down frequently |
| 20:41.49 | sparr | chealer_: 2.6.14-1-k7 |
| 20:42.10 | Fox_1_ | bucky i have only libpcap0.7-dev and haven't libpcap0.8-dev |
| 20:42.21 | chealer_ | sparr: "ii nvidia-kernel-2. 1.0.8174-1+2.6.1 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.14-1-k..." |
| 20:42.25 | bucky | Fox_1_, remove what ever libpcap you've got and apt-get install libpcap0.8 libpcap0.8-dev |
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| 20:42.36 | chealer_ | sparr: your nvidia kernel module is out of date. |
| 20:42.47 | freeone3000 | Thank you. |
| 20:42.49 | Fox_1_ | bucky i haven't libpcap0.8-dev |
| 20:42.55 | chealer_ | sparr: BTW, did you consider upgrading to 2.6.15? |
| 20:43.06 | sparr | chealer_: yes. and m-a is supposed to use "nvidia-kernel-so 1.0.8178-1 NVIDIA binary kernel module source" to fix that :-p |
| 20:43.12 | DaveLib | the celestia manual says there is a keybinding in celestia to write to the clipboard a special celestia url customized: cel:blah-blah-blah data about a celestia location |
| 20:43.14 | nvz | from what I gather on wikipedia of the 1x-4x AGP cards they are forward and backward compatable as long as the voltage is right and they say 1x/2x is 3.3v and 4x/8x is 1.5v I believe my compaq mobo has a 4x AGP slot in addition to the onboard video so I should be able to buy a 8x card and run it at 4x right? |
| 20:43.19 | bucky | Fox_1_, apt-get remove libpcap0.7-dev && apt-get install libpcap0.8-dev |
| 20:43.22 | dvs | At least now I know that the contrib factoid works right |
| 20:43.32 | Neverth | why cant people use nvidia-installer..... |
| 20:43.48 | DaveLib | you are supposed to be able to paste that cel: url into emails or onto web sites |
| 20:43.48 | nvz | you really are hardpressed to find a 4x these days, and they are old and suck.. I would like at least a geforce5200 and maybe a dual card.. fairly cheap |
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| 20:43.52 | chealer_ | Neverth: they can |
| 20:43.53 | sparr | Neverth: because it puts files in very different places from where debian likes them, which causes lots of problems |
| 20:43.54 | Fox_1_ | bucky I HAVEN'T LIBPCAP0.8-DEV PACKAGE !!! |
| 20:44.05 | bucky | Fox_1_, install the god damn thing |
| 20:44.07 | chealer_ | sparr: and what happens with m-a a-i nvidia; ? |
| 20:44.22 | sparr | chealer_: |
| 20:44.25 | Fox_1_ | bucky from where??? |
| 20:44.27 | sparr | Extracting the package tarball, /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz, please wait... |
| 20:44.27 | sparr | Target package file /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-1-k7_1.0.8174-1+2.6.14-1_i386.deb already exists, not rebuilding! |
| 20:44.30 | DaveLib | and any1 recieving that one their computer who is also running celestia they are supposed to be able to click on the link |
| 20:44.32 | Neverth | sparr, so, it works here enough good |
| 20:44.40 | sparr | Neverth: do you compile opengl apps? |
| 20:44.44 | sparr | s/apps/games/ |
| 20:44.49 | Neverth | sometimes |
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| 20:44.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:44.56 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:44.57 | DaveLib | if they have celestia installed but not running i guess it is invoked |
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| 20:45.02 | Neverth | those need mesa devel packages |
| 20:45.04 | goron | I see a moderately offer, but they offer PPPoE connections. I now use DSL and I am not aware of using PPPoE. I just plug in the ethernet cable and go :) PPPoe does not have this feature I guess? |
| 20:45.09 | sparr | straight ogl? not linked-against-something-that-is-linked-against-ogl? |
| 20:45.21 | bucky | Fox_1_, what distro are you running? |
| 20:45.21 | chealer_ | sparr: what does # m-a -i a-b nvidia; output? |
| 20:45.27 | Neverth | do you count assembly-opengl? |
| 20:45.43 | Fox_1_ | bucky debian 3.1 |
| 20:45.46 | DaveLib | if they have celestia alreadty running it is to reset itself to the location coded into the url |
| 20:45.49 | sparr | chealer_: same thing |
| 20:46.01 | sparr | Neverth: i count "-l GL" :) |
| 20:46.02 | slashseed | any one trys xgl on debian ? |
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| 20:46.13 | aarchie | On my Sarge machine Tiger auditor recently came up with a few security problems which then disappeared on the next run. Should I be worried about this? I haven't found any other evidence of an attack. The messages are: |
| 20:46.14 | asg | !anoyone |
| 20:46.15 | ruser_ | how can i view file modification access and creation times? |
| 20:46.16 | asg | bah |
| 20:46.20 | DaveLib | anyway i do the keys in celestia to try that and nothing seems to happen |
| 20:46.20 | aarchie | "# Running chkrootkit (/usr/sbin/chkrootkit) to perform further checks...", "NEW: --WARN-- [rootkit004w] Chkrootkit has detected a possible rootkit installation" & "NEW: Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed" |
| 20:46.22 | bucky | !info libpcap0.8-dev sarge |
| 20:46.25 | dpkg | libpcap0.8-dev: (Development library and header files for libpcap 0.8), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.8.3-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 105 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 20:46.27 | tarzeau | ruser_: stat file |
| 20:46.39 | aarchie | A look on google gave me the idea that these were a known false alarm. Can anyone confirm this? Is this the right place to ask about this? |
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| 20:46.53 | ruser_ | tarzeau thanks |
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| 20:46.58 | DaveLib | after that i go to an xterm and try to middle click to paste or go to the menu to paste there is nothing |
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| 20:47.30 | chealer_ | sparr: what about # apt-get update;m-a update;m-a -i a-b nvidia; ? |
| 20:47.34 | asg | aarchie: they are known false alarms. Look at chkrootkit's code to check what it is doing and verify that things are fine. You can also run rkhunter to get a second opinion |
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| 20:47.35 | DaveLib | my normal cutting and pasting in gnome with the mouse works ie mouse buttons to copy and paste |
| 20:47.37 | twisted` | anyone know a program that can show in graphs disk usage? |
| 20:47.48 | Fox_1_ | bucky in which CD is it? |
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| 20:47.48 | tarzeau | twisted`: xdu ? |
| 20:47.55 | bbrazil | twisted`: mrtg+df ? |
| 20:47.55 | sparr | chealer_: first, apt-get update complains about unsigned packages, which i ignore :) |
| 20:47.56 | twisted` | tarzeau: lemme see |
| 20:48.06 | Neverth | twisted`, phpsysinfo :p |
| 20:48.10 | sparr | now m-a is doing a lot more work than it has been |
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| 20:48.33 | sparr | and m-a happily spit out a nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-1-k7_1.0.8178-1+2.6.14-1_i386.deb this time |
| 20:48.43 | sparr | happy day |
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| 20:48.47 | aarchie | asg: thanks for the reassurance! I'll check out rkhunter. |
| 20:48.49 | abrotman | BEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:48.58 | twisted` | xdu crashed :P |
| 20:49.16 | DaveLib | also how does url activation from apps work ie how does the email client (for example) know that cel: means invoke celestia |
| 20:49.21 | asg | abrotman: what did you do to make your beep go away? |
| 20:49.28 | abrotman | asg: upgraded |
| 20:49.43 | asg | abrotman: did you check the bts? :p |
| 20:49.44 | abrotman | asg: etch |
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| 20:49.56 | asg | abrotman: oh, I don't track etch. |
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| 20:50.07 | abrotman | asg: if i had any idea which of the 252 packages that got updated made it happen . i would |
| 20:50.20 | abrotman | asg: i know you don't :) |
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| 20:50.26 | asg | abrotman: I know, I was just being a cock. |
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| 20:50.30 | sparr | chealer_: only one point left, mostly curiosity... why would dpkg -l say "NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.14-2-386" now instead of "... for Linux 2.6.15-1-k7"? |
| 20:50.34 | abrotman | asg: you cock |
| 20:50.49 | tarzeau | twisted`: file a bug report? |
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| 20:51.07 | chealer_ | sparr: weren't you running 2.6.14-1-k7? |
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| 20:51.27 | sparr | chealer_: yes, which is why i expect my modules to say "for ... -1-k7" :) |
| 20:51.37 | twisted` | tarzeau: I will |
| 20:51.49 | abrotman | asg: no bugs i can see relate |
| 20:51.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.17 | asg | abrotman: oh, okay. Did you mixer settings get the finger? |
| 20:52.25 | abrotman | asg: not that i can tell |
| 20:52.31 | abrotman | asg: and #alsa is full of wankers |
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| 20:52.49 | asg | s/wankers/knobbler carvers/ |
| 20:52.51 | vieira2 | !define wanker |
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| 20:53.07 | dvs | !dict wanker |
| 20:53.08 | dpkg | Dictionary 'wanker' terms of abuse for a masturbator [syn: {tosser}, {jerk-off}] |
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| 20:53.23 | vieira2 | I see... thanks |
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| 20:53.56 | chealer_ | sparr: are the headers for your kernel installed? |
| 20:53.59 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I'm back. any luck with beep? |
| 20:54.06 | sparr | chealer_: yep, same ones i used to compile the 8174 module |
| 20:54.06 | abrotman | BEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:54.23 | asg | zebalin7: his beeper is broken, unlike mine which won't stfu |
| 20:54.23 | zebalin7 | abrotman: it works? |
| 20:54.26 | abrotman | no |
| 20:54.39 | abrotman | asg: stop being the interim dude |
| 20:54.53 | asg | abrotman: I shovel to the left, I shovel to the right ;) |
| 20:54.58 | sparr | chealer_: gotta restart X to install the new module, be back in just a bit |
| 20:55.01 | sparr | i hope :) |
| 20:55.03 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I wonder... just a thought, if re-installing the kernel might help? |
| 20:55.04 | abrotman | asg: shit keeps rolling downhill :) |
| 20:55.12 | abrotman | zebalin7: i can try .. but why? |
| 20:55.16 | asg | abrotman: or back down on top of me |
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| 20:55.35 | zebalin7 | abrotman: why? because I can't think of anything else right now!!!! |
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| 20:55.43 | abrotman | !annoy me |
| 20:55.49 | abrotman | !irritate me too |
| 20:55.49 | dpkg | me too: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd plz msg me, jonathaN |
| 20:55.52 | ringo999 | which key command usally swtiches between windows in kde? alt+tab changes aplications |
| 20:56.08 | asg | abrotman: and nothing in the bell factoid works? anything funky in /var/log/kern.log? |
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| 20:56.17 | asg | ringo999: #debian-kde would know |
| 20:56.22 | Neverth | ringo999, try ctrl+alt+arrows? |
| 20:56.43 | rAz_ | hi, i need problem with e17 evas lib compiling, when i try autogen.sh there is an error occured : automake: src/modules/engines/software_x11/Makefile.am: warning: automake does not support module_la_LDFLAGS being defined conditionally |
| 20:56.45 | kspath | abrotman: blame canada and/or toronto area. |
| 20:56.53 | rAz_ | someone could help me ? thx before |
| 20:56.56 | ringo999 | asg: k |
| 20:57.06 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 20:57.06 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
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| 20:57.18 | abrotman | rAz_: ^^ |
| 20:57.18 | diana | deadcat: you here? |
| 20:57.23 | Fox_1_ | bucky i install libpcap0.8 and libpcap0.8-dev, but it again gives the same error. |
| 20:57.24 | Gnea | rAz_: #e |
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| 20:57.40 | abrotman | i'm stuck in bell hell |
| 20:58.11 | kspath | no, you are in NO bell hell which is actually heavan. bell is meant to scare people. |
| 20:58.14 | bucky | Fox_1_, did you uninstall libpcap0.7 and libpcap0.7-dev |
| 20:58.19 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 20:58.19 | rAz_ | thx abrotman , i go to uninstall what i started :) |
| 20:58.44 | EdLin | !thx |
| 20:58.44 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
| 20:58.47 | bucky | Fox_1_, how did you uninstall it? |
| 20:59.01 | deadcat | diana: what up |
| 20:59.12 | abrotman | kspath: i want the damn bell |
| 20:59.13 | Fox_1_ | bucky apt-get remove libpcap0.7 libpcap0.7-dev --purge |
| 20:59.22 | diana | deadcat: You have the link for slim debs/ apt-get lines? |
| 20:59.32 | rAz_ | thanks Gnea :) |
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| 20:59.40 | beered | I'm searching for a good newsgroup reader. Any suggestions? I hate bloatware and don't use Gnome or KDE. :) |
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| 20:59.45 | deadcat | diana: ya. but i dont know if it still works or not. |
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| 21:00.08 | Miesco | I want to get a gamepad, what manufacture is good and supports linux? |
| 21:00.21 | Fox_1_ | bucky it couldn't found pcap_* functions. |
| 21:00.29 | deadcat | diana: its still 1.2.3 though. he doesnt want to build the latest version (= |
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| 21:00.40 | DaveLib | beered: i use gnus in emacs |
| 21:00.47 | bbrazil | beered: slrn, tn, trn etc. are the basic ones |
| 21:00.53 | bucky | Fox_1_, ./configure --help and see if there's an option to -I/path/to/includes and point it to what it wants |
| 21:00.54 | beered | DaveLib: I was just reading about it! :) |
| 21:01.12 | RustyJames | can someone help me eoth the command line tool "time" ? |
| 21:01.12 | diana | deadcat: the latest version doesn't have anything good anyway. not for linux people |
| 21:01.18 | deadcat | hahah |
| 21:01.20 | DaveLib | beered: i like emacs i am here in #debian thru erc in emacs |
| 21:01.20 | beered | DaveLib: Can you merge newsgroup binaries with it? |
| 21:01.28 | deadcat | i am on 1.2.3 myself. its working and i dont care. |
| 21:01.39 | Fox_1_ | bucky and what it wants??? it found all needed files |
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| 21:01.55 | DaveLib | beered: i dont even know what that means i dont use any binary newsgroups |
| 21:01.57 | beered | bbrazil: I need something that can merge binaries from newsgroups. :/ |
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| 21:02.26 | DaveLib | beered: emacs and gnus in it are mainly text programs |
| 21:02.43 | Uberriffic | how can you show what packages are upgradable w/o upgrading? |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | Uberriffic: -u |
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| 21:03.14 | Uberriffic | abrotman: thx, is that a 'apt-get install -u' ? |
| 21:03.33 | bucky | Fox_1_, -l/path/to/pcap/library where ever the .h files are and you might need -L/path/to/library where the .so files are... have fun |
| 21:03.40 | abrotman | Uberriffic: should be |
| 21:03.45 | Uberriffic | abrotman: cool, thx |
| 21:03.50 | abrotman | should ask you before upgrading |
| 21:03.52 | DaveLib | beered: i just did apropos on "binar" in emacs: i got gnus-binary mode but it says its undocumented |
| 21:03.57 | bucky | Fox_1_, -I for includes |
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| 21:04.11 | sparr | (EE) /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so is an unrecognized module type |
| 21:04.24 | sparr | this comes after upgrading my nvidia kernel module and other nvidia packages |
| 21:04.41 | Uberriffic | sparr: are you running stock kernel, or custom kernel? |
| 21:04.43 | beered | DaveLib: PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED |
| 21:04.47 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.49 | beered | 14:01 < beered> bbrazil: I need something that can merge binaries from newsgroups. |
| 21:04.51 | sparr | Uberriffic: stock, 2.6.14-1-k7 |
| 21:04.52 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.55 | beered | 14:02 < DaveLib> beered: emacs and gnus in it are mainly text programs |
| 21:04.57 | beered | 14:02 < Uberriffic> how can you show what packages are upgradable w/o upgrading? |
| 21:05.00 | beered | 14:02 -!- Bullie is now known as Bulldog |
| 21:05.02 | beered | 14:02 < abrotman> Uberriffic: -u |
| 21:05.05 | beered | 14:03 -!- mode/#debian [+l 837] by debhelper |
| 21:05.07 | beered | 14:03 < Uberriffic> abrotman: thx, is that a 'apt-get install -u' ? |
| 21:05.10 | beered | 14:03 < bucky> Fox_1_, -l/path/to/pcap/library where ever the .h files are and |
| 21:05.10 | abrotman | good job tard |
| 21:05.12 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.13 | Gnea | !paste |
| 21:05.13 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:05.15 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.18 | beered | 14:03 < abrotman> Uberriffic: should be |
| 21:05.20 | beered | 14:03 < Uberriffic> abrotman: cool, thx |
| 21:05.23 | beered | 14:03 < abrotman> should ask you before upgrading |
| 21:05.25 | Uberriffic | wt is beered doing |
| 21:05.25 | beered | 14:03 < DaveLib> beered: i just did apropos on "binar" in emacs: i got |
| 21:05.28 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.30 | Gnea | !flood |
| 21:05.30 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:05.30 | beered | 14:03 < bucky> Fox_1_, -I for includes |
| 21:05.33 | beered | 14:04 < sparr> (EE) /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so is an |
| 21:05.35 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.35 | abrotman | he fucked up |
| 21:05.38 | beered | 14:04 < sparr> this comes after upgrading my nvidia kernel module and other nvidia |
| 21:05.41 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.42 | abrotman | dragged his mouse over the screen .. the pasted |
| 21:05.43 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.46 | Gnea | !ops beered is pasting like a madman |
| 21:05.46 | beered | [#debian] DaveLib: |
| 21:05.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: beered is pasting like a madman |
| 21:05.49 | beered | oh shit |
| 21:05.51 | beered | SORRRRYYY |
| 21:05.54 | beered | damn |
| 21:05.56 | beered | I didn't mean to... |
| 21:05.59 | beered | it was an accident |
| 21:06.01 | Uberriffic | lol beered =) |
| 21:06.01 | beered | yep |
| 21:06.01 | Gnea | get out. |
| 21:06.03 | sparr | Uberriffic: stock, 2.6.14-1-k7 |
| 21:06.15 | markybob | so then you tell us sorry in five different lines, thus flooding us even more. fucking idiots. |
| 21:06.17 | beered | Uberriffic: I know I know |
| 21:06.39 | Uberriffic | sparr: ah, and the nvidia_drv module is that came with the stock deb package? It's not a custom compile? |
| 21:06.54 | Gnea | markybob: obviously no one's paying attention. |
| 21:07.03 | beered | DaveLib: check this link for Usnet Binaries. http://www.cyberfiber.com/articles/newsgroup_binaries.htm |
| 21:07.05 | sparr | Uberriffic: i dont think its from a stock package. i think its in the custom package that m-a compiled |
| 21:07.09 | EdLin | !sunday |
| 21:07.09 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 21:07.27 | kspath | !emacs |
| 21:07.27 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 21:07.41 | Uberriffic | sparr: who m-a ? I am just thikning that perhaps your nvidia driver isn't compiled with the same gcc version that your kernel was |
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| 21:08.01 | kspath | !emacssmite kspath |
| 21:08.03 | sparr | Uberriffic: module-assistant |
| 21:08.23 | sparr | chealer_: any further insight? |
| 21:08.51 | Uberriffic | sparr, ah ok, dont' know about that |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 21:08.56 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 21:09.09 | kspath | How big is Emacs now? 80-100MB ? |
| 21:09.21 | ma3x | hey what do you call this verb in english (when you touch someone on the face up and down gently)? |
| 21:09.25 | blondie | 5.2TB |
| 21:09.31 | abrotman | ma3x: a blowjob ? |
| 21:09.31 | \amethyst | Who was asking about joining binaries in gnus? |
| 21:09.31 | vieira2 | !emacs disease |
| 21:09.31 | blondie | (compressed) |
| 21:09.32 | dpkg | I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your package. I've realized that you are not actually a text editor. Every text editor on this system instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding OS. But you emacsen do not. You move to a system and you multiply and multiply until every system resource is consumed.... |
| 21:09.42 | ma3x | abrotman, come on. with the hand |
| 21:09.49 | beered | abrotman: I don't know why he cares about GCC, intels complier is much better (not free, just better) |
| 21:09.53 | abrotman | ma3x: ask #english |
| 21:09.55 | useruser | 34684 emacs21-common 5900 emacs21 |
| 21:09.57 | blondie | ma3x: why would you do that? |
| 21:10.06 | ma3x | blondie, if you love someone |
| 21:10.21 | DaveLib | beered: thanks i will check out that url |
| 21:10.23 | kspath | beered: much better because they designed the processor?!?! give me a break. |
| 21:10.31 | ma3x | abrotman, maybe in german "gläsen" |
| 21:10.32 | blondie | erm, stroking their face? :P |
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| 21:10.37 | blondie | what a strange question |
| 21:10.39 | abrotman | ma3x: nfc |
| 21:10.43 | beered | kspath: yes. whats wrong with that? |
| 21:10.45 | markybob | ma3x, http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=caress |
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| 21:11.28 | sparr | i guess while im having all these module problems i might as well upgrade my kernel |
| 21:11.33 | sparr | get everything broken at the same time |
| 21:11.44 | kspath | beered: so if AMD releases a compiler that does much better on AMD procs that makes the AMD compiler better? |
| 21:12.02 | freeone3000 | Yes, it is. |
| 21:12.04 | abrotman | better is subjective to the user |
| 21:12.11 | freeone3000 | Well, on AMD procs. |
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| 21:12.55 | DaveLib | amethyst: berred asked about a good newsreader i mentioned gnus beered asked about using gnus to join binaries |
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| 21:13.00 | \amethyst | ah |
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| 21:13.07 | \amethyst | You can join binaries with X U |
| 21:13.07 | DaveLib | s/berred/beered/ |
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| 21:13.23 | \amethyst | it will pull together everything out of the current series and uudecode it to a file |
| 21:13.24 | DaveLib | beered: ahh ok see that X U ? |
| 21:13.27 | centrx | better is an imprecise term, clearly it is what it is: The compiler produces more efficient binaries. |
| 21:13.31 | tyranix | Is there a standard way to find out which debs you have installed are no longer packaged? apt-cache won't show a line filename: pool/... if it's no longer packaged. |
| 21:13.37 | Felina | witch would be the locales for inglish ? |
| 21:13.43 | freeone3000 | -march=i386'll do that. |
| 21:13.48 | beered | DaveLib: I'll look it to that. Thanks. |
| 21:13.56 | zebalin7 | abrotman: do this and tell me what you get: grep CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR /boot/config-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 21:14.00 | freeone3000 | Felina: The en_ ones. |
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| 21:14.16 | useruser | beered: you could try pan, seemed to do just about everything last time i tried it |
| 21:14.19 | RichiH | beered: on most clients, /flushq will work |
| 21:14.22 | abrotman | zebalin7: CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m |
| 21:14.26 | DaveLib | leaving for now bye |
| 21:14.30 | RichiH | beered: to stop you from pasting, i mean |
| 21:14.33 | zebalin7 | abrotman: looks right. I have same thing. |
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| 21:14.39 | augustus | #j romania |
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| 21:14.43 | vieira2 | centrx: more efficient memory-wise? faster code? smaller binary size? more easily debuggable? (does the wor debuggable exists?) |
| 21:14.50 | rAz_ | what are the primary paquet for e17 installation ? ( i tryed to see on the url blog but it is not noticed |
| 21:14.55 | augustus | #j bucuresti |
| 21:14.58 | abrotman | paquet? |
| 21:15.02 | abrotman | augustus: use a damn / |
| 21:15.15 | chealer_ | sparr: hum. did you try Googling it? |
| 21:15.25 | beered | kspath: what is your definition of 'better'? |
| 21:15.26 | Fox_1_ | bucky i have installed ndsad, but it didn't count my traffic |
| 21:15.27 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 21:15.31 | kspath | abrotman: likely package |
| 21:15.35 | centrx | vieira2, you can specify whether you want a compiler to produce faster, memory footprint, binary size, etc. efficiency |
| 21:15.50 | kspath | beered: I do not have a dictionary that will assist you. |
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| 21:16.01 | vieira2 | i know in gcc i can, but i guess it depends on the compiler |
| 21:16.01 | useruser | kspath: apt-get install dict |
| 21:16.07 | sparr | chealer_: not if i can avoid it, i hate web surfing from the console |
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| 21:16.23 | beered | kspath: just relax. I'm trying to understand your point. |
| 21:16.24 | tyranix | ahh nevermind, aptitude has an obsolete section. |
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| 21:16.33 | vieira2 | and i bet compiler A's fast code is not as fast as compiler B's fast code, right? |
| 21:16.42 | rAz_ | abrotman, i wanted to say program :) |
| 21:16.43 | freeone3000 | Okay. I installed sunj2se sdk according to the instructions sent to me by dpkg. |
| 21:16.52 | bucky | Fox_1_, did you install libpcap from a tarball to /usr/local previously? |
| 21:16.55 | chealer_ | sparr: heh, don't you think you should switch to a free driver temporarily? |
| 21:16.59 | freeone3000 | 'java' still tries to use gij, though... |
| 21:17.11 | \amethyst | freeone3000: update-alternatives --config java |
| 21:17.19 | sparr | chealer_: no way to test the driver without restarting X every time if i do that |
| 21:17.20 | beered | kspath: yes, intel might have unfair advantage with their compiler but that doesn't change the facts. |
| 21:17.29 | \amethyst | freeone3000: and javac and maybe javadoc, etc |
| 21:17.41 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I read on a posting that system sound can be controled by X. If you install the 'beep' package it uses lower level routines so that might give us a hint. Might be worth popping the beep package in and seeing what happens? |
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| 21:17.46 | chealer_ | sparr: of course, unless you have a second machine |
| 21:17.52 | \amethyst | vieira2: sometimes compiler A's fast code isn't as fast as compiler A's small (opt for space) code :) |
| 21:17.52 | abrotman | zebalin7: did it .. nothing |
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| 21:17.56 | Fox_1_ | bucky i install it from debian packages. |
| 21:17.58 | vieira2 | freeone3000: what's the problem with gij? |
| 21:18.02 | zebalin7 | abrotman: ok, sorry. |
| 21:18.05 | sparr | chealer_: all otherwise occupied, or too far away, at the moment |
| 21:18.11 | ringo999 | someone help me, what is the keycommand to switch between windows in kde? #debian-kde noone responses...im going crazy with all these chat windows... |
| 21:18.19 | sparr | ok, got kernel 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 21:18.21 | abrotman | zebalin7: not a problem .. |
| 21:18.23 | bucky | Fox_1_, i don't know.. i've never used it.. you'll have to google |
| 21:18.30 | sparr | gonna get headers so i can reboot and compile a new new module |
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| 21:18.46 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 21:18.55 | zebalin7 | abrotman: is there a blue Fn key in lower left of keyboard... which controls all the keys that have a function? |
| 21:18.57 | freeone3000 | ringo999: Try ksirc |
| 21:19.02 | \amethyst | ringo999: Alt-tab and leftwindow-tab don't work? |
| 21:19.04 | abrotman | zebalin7: sure |
| 21:19.05 | vieira2 | \amethyst: i guess this would hold true if we switched compiler B for fast code as well.. |
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| 21:19.22 | zebalin7 | abrotman: is there a key(s) with tiny pix of speakers? |
| 21:19.36 | abrotman | zebalin7: nope |
| 21:19.41 | ringo999 | \amethyst: alt-tab changes the desktop |
| 21:19.50 | abrotman | zebalin7: i have real volume buttons .. and they're up all the way |
| 21:20.00 | zebalin7 | abrotman: maybe an 'ear' or some icon that would suggest sound or mute? |
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| 21:20.14 | diana | deadcat: sorry can you send me that link again |
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| 21:20.38 | abrotman | zebalin7: no .. i have a mute button too |
| 21:20.52 | hanasaki | where do you set the directory for html files for dhhtp? |
| 21:20.55 | hanasaki | dhttpd? |
| 21:21.01 | freeone3000 | Aight, this is strange. It still says that it can't find a shared lib when I try 'java', but it finds everything fine when I use "/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/bin/java".. |
| 21:21.02 | chealer_ | ringo999: you'll have no answer here if you don't have one on #debian-kde. if you still need to know that and can't figure out by yourself, consider asking a mailing list or on #kde |
| 21:21.13 | asg | hanasaki: check the manpage or /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 21:21.40 | hanasaki | thnks |
| 21:21.40 | \amethyst | freeone3000: and your alternative is now pointing to /usr/lib/j2blah/java ? |
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| 21:21.54 | zebalin7 | abrotman: all other sound is good. Hmmmm. Does gnome have a system-notification panel somewhere... like KDE has in it's sound admin screen? |
| 21:21.59 | freeone3000 | amethyst: Yep. |
| 21:22.16 | \amethyst | freeone3000: what's the shlib it can't find? |
| 21:22.24 | abrotman | zebalin7: i have no panels! |
| 21:22.27 | abrotman | zebalin7: but it was before thati think |
| 21:22.33 | freeone3000 | libjava.so |
| 21:22.43 | abrotman | zebalin7: i have no beep in console either |
| 21:22.48 | zebalin7 | abrotman: somewhere in gnome you can admin. the sound can't you? |
| 21:22.53 | hanasaki | asg it only tells he port |
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| 21:23.05 | rAz_ | If I try to install eutils, I get following message : depends from libemotion0 which is uninstallable. what can i do for it ? i m on debian unstable |
| 21:23.14 | abrotman | zebalin7: but that's not it |
| 21:23.23 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I agree. |
| 21:23.25 | \amethyst | freeone3000: does it work if you do export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun first? |
| 21:23.45 | zebalin7 | I just can't understand why the 12 kernel works and the 15 does not. |
| 21:23.53 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: Nope. |
| 21:24.03 | chealer_ | rAz_: which source provides you eutils? |
| 21:24.09 | markybob | wow. dick cheney is officially the first vice-president to shoot a man while in office. OT, i know, but impressive. |
| 21:24.15 | abrotman | zebalin7: because Xu was the man ... |
| 21:24.20 | rAz_ | chealer_, http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 21:24.22 | hanasaki | asg: heh.. looks to be compiled in |
| 21:24.45 | asg | hanasaki: could be, it's meant to be small and secure according to its description |
| 21:25.15 | chealer_ | rAz_: ask the people who offer the packages |
| 21:25.16 | \amethyst | freeone3000: what about export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/i386 ? |
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| 21:25.31 | \amethyst | freeone3000: Still don't know why it's not working as-is, though |
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| 21:25.42 | Felina | irc.iri have no saund ? |
| 21:25.42 | rAz_ | chealer_, ok, i'll ask. thank you |
| 21:25.48 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: Still nothing. |
| 21:25.56 | Felina | i have no saund i i do have the alsa installd ? |
| 21:25.59 | rhalff | hi I got a dependancie hell on my server, seems like I have to uninstall the entire system, because of conflicts, how can I force certain things ? |
| 21:26.00 | naetrick | One more question: On load, it tells me I'm running testing/unstable ubuntu. Is there any way I can change this and roll everything back to stable? |
| 21:26.20 | \amethyst | freeone3000: but it works if you run the script the symlinks point to.... hm |
| 21:26.28 | \amethyst | freeone3000: s/script/program/ |
| 21:26.33 | EdLin | naetrick: #ubuntu |
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| 21:26.40 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: Yep. |
| 21:26.48 | centrx | raz0, check out the comments on the shadoi website |
| 21:26.51 | Felina | what can i do about my saund ? |
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| 21:27.02 | naetrick | woops :) |
| 21:27.25 | tzfardea | hey, i added this line "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main" to /etc/apt/sources.list as written in hpisi.nerim.net, but i get this error when im doing "aptitude update": |
| 21:27.26 | tzfardea | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 21:27.26 | tzfardea | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 21:27.33 | \amethyst | freeone3000: Well, you could make a script named "java" that explicitly runs the j2sdk1.5/bin/java, and put it earlier in your path than /usr/bin |
| 21:27.37 | centrx | Felina, try using the program "alsamixer" to see if your sound is muted or low volume |
| 21:27.40 | asg | tzfardea: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 21:27.41 | stew | tzfardea: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 21:27.42 | \amethyst | freeone3000: maybe /usr/local/bin or ~/bin |
| 21:27.52 | \amethyst | freeone3000: it's not a solution, mind you, just a workaround |
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| 21:28.03 | Felina | ok |
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| 21:28.37 | \amethyst | freeone3000: it will need to run /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5/bin/java "$@" The "$@" is there to pass along command-line arguments |
| 21:28.45 | hanasaki | in the default etch install of apache2.... if i make a directory in /var/www called .. /var/www/dir2 should i be able to get to it w/ a browser? from the config.. i think so.. from the webbrowser You don't have permission to access |
| 21:29.17 | \amethyst | hanasaki: is the directory readable by user/group www-data? |
| 21:29.22 | hanasaki | ah |
| 21:29.23 | hanasaki | brb |
| 21:29.28 | asg | hanasaki: are the permissions on the directory correct with respect to the user the httpd is running as? |
| 21:29.38 | tzfardea | ok thanks, i don't get errors now but i still don't have installation candidate for mplayer-686 |
| 21:29.55 | hanasaki | thanks! |
| 21:29.57 | hanasaki | done |
| 21:29.58 | vieira2 | does debian shipt mplayer? |
| 21:30.01 | \amethyst | hanasaki: huzzah! |
| 21:30.04 | vieira2 | s/shipt/ship |
| 21:30.08 | centrx | vieira2, no |
| 21:30.14 | \amethyst | vieira2: no, but there are third-party apt sources |
| 21:30.14 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: Alright, thanks. |
| 21:30.17 | hanasaki | asg: i am gonna just try going w/ apache2 thanks |
| 21:30.23 | \amethyst | freeone3000: sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| 21:30.32 | vieira2 | \amethyst: like marillat? |
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| 21:30.45 | \amethyst | vieira2: I don't use any of them, I'm happy enough with xine :) |
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| 21:31.44 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: Awesome, that works. Why would you need to be of more help? |
| 21:31.51 | vieira2 | \amethyst: I was just curious... I don't watch movies on the PC |
| 21:31.57 | freeone3000 | (Was symlinking instead of scripting) |
| 21:31.59 | \amethyst | freeone3000: Because it *should* have been working anyway |
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| 21:32.29 | rm-1 | ? |
| 21:32.45 | beered | useruser: thanks for pan recommendation. i like it! it can auto-merge binaries! :) |
| 21:32.45 | abrotman | BELL! |
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| 21:32.59 | rm-1 | bell? |
| 21:33.01 | kspath | !bellsmite abrotman |
| 21:33.07 | freeone3000 | Oh yay. Now I get to learn how to set a X11 DISPLAY variable. My program needs it. What should the export be? |
| 21:33.09 | abrotman | !phillysmite kspath |
| 21:33.11 | abrotman | darn |
| 21:33.19 | zebalin7 | abrotman: for the hell of it you might try booting with the parms: noapic noacpi acpi=off and see if sound works. I find that acpi screws up a lot of laps. |
| 21:33.34 | \amethyst | freeone3000: um |
| 21:33.38 | \amethyst | freeone3000: are you running X? |
| 21:33.42 | abrotman | zebalin7: acpi has been fine .. in every 2.6 i've used |
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| 21:34.40 | vieira2 | freeone3000: you shouldn't have to set it manually... |
| 21:34.42 | zebalin7 | vieira2: how do you do that... create an 'action' in IRC? |
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| 21:34.54 | vieira2 | zebalin7: using /me ? |
| 21:34.59 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: Yep.. |
| 21:35.05 | abrotman | zebalin7: it works again |
| 21:35.18 | zebalin7 | abrotman: what????? |
| 21:35.22 | \amethyst | freeone3000: if you're running the program from X, the DISPLAY should already be set |
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| 21:35.43 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: I'm running a program from console with X running... |
| 21:35.56 | abrotman | zebalin7: they must have either reset my alsa settings .. or changed the device used for the system bell . it was the "Aux" mixer level that fixed it .. which i don't remember EVER adjusting |
| 21:36.04 | \amethyst | freeone3000: and you want it to pop up inside X? DISPLAY=:0 program |
| 21:36.04 | abrotman | or seeing |
| 21:36.06 | centrx | freeone3000, the DISPLAY variable is already set unless you are running the program as root |
| 21:36.10 | abrotman | zebalin7: thanks for wasting your time :) |
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| 21:36.17 | tarzeau | dpkg nickometer \amethyst |
| 21:36.18 | \amethyst | centrx: not if you're launching it from ttyN |
| 21:36.19 | dpkg | '\amethyst' is 0.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 21:36.24 | \amethyst | hah |
| 21:36.24 | zebalin7 | abrotman: were is the aux mixer level found? in alsamixer? |
| 21:36.26 | centrx | oh i see what you mean |
| 21:36.38 | sparr_ | help? (EE) /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so is an unrecognized module type |
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| 21:36.40 | abrotman | zebalin7: yeah .. but way way over to the side |
| 21:36.41 | freeone3000 | dpkg nickometer freeone3000 |
| 21:36.43 | dpkg | 'freeone3000' is 73.000% lame, freeone3000 |
| 21:36.45 | abrotman | zebalin7: though .. wait .. brb |
| 21:36.51 | freeone3000 | 73% lame. |
| 21:36.59 | abrotman | zebalin7: might have something to do with booting .. let me try a reboot |
| 21:37.11 | tzfardea | i've added this source "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main" but i still don't have installation candidate for mplayer, what's the problem? |
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| 21:37.24 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: ...Running from X (double clicking the script) generates no window, no error. |
| 21:37.27 | centrx | tzfardea, did you do apt-get update ? |
| 21:37.32 | tzfardea | centrx, yes |
| 21:37.36 | \amethyst | freeone3000: run it from an xterm |
| 21:37.43 | \amethyst | freeone3000: then you can see the output |
| 21:37.45 | centrx | tzfardea, are you trying from within a frontend like aptitude or dselect, in which case you would have to update their lists |
| 21:37.51 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: That's what I was doing... |
| 21:38.06 | zebalin7 | Has anyone done the monster etch upgrade to kde 3.5 which hit the repos yesterday? |
| 21:38.26 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: Nevermind, from pure Xterm it works fine. From Konsole, it doesn't work at all. |
| 21:38.29 | war92 | Help, in Etch the latest updates have made all of my fonts on Emacs look like rectangle blocks, how do I fix this? |
| 21:38.32 | \amethyst | freeone3000: strange |
| 21:38.44 | tzfardea | centrx, what lists? |
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| 21:38.52 | tzfardea | centrx, and i'm using aptitude |
| 21:38.54 | centrx | tzfardea, the same function as apt-get update |
| 21:38.55 | war92 | anyone? |
| 21:39.03 | sparr_ | where would the file /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so come from? |
| 21:39.09 | tzfardea | centrx, i did aptitude update |
| 21:39.12 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 21:39.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:39.17 | sparr_ | i cant find it with apt-file, or in the nvidia package created by m-a |
| 21:39.20 | zebalin7 | war92: could this be an encoding problem? |
| 21:39.30 | \amethyst | war92: did it update the xfs package by any chance? |
| 21:39.36 | centrx | tzfardea, i don't know then, i have the very same sources in my sources.list and mplayer is available |
| 21:39.37 | war92 | nobody here uses etch+emacs, zebalin7 it was working before the latest apt-get upgrade |
| 21:39.42 | war92 | I odnt recall I upgrade weekly |
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| 21:39.53 | freeone3000 | !popcon |
| 21:39.53 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:39.57 | \amethyst | war92: have you restarted X or xfs since? |
| 21:40.19 | plbgnr_ | hello, I have serious problem with installing quickcam module: I installed it on another PC ..there it works well ...but now I try to install it on PC with newer gcc and there are errors by driver compilation (error:array type has incomplete element type) ...any idea? |
| 21:40.20 | freeone3000 | \amethyst: I know... just all about teh undefined ops today. |
| 21:40.23 | zebalin7 | war92: did you do ctl-alt-backspace and restart x? |
| 21:40.31 | tzfardea | centrx, ok thanks... |
| 21:40.35 | war92 | zebalin7: k, will go test bbr |
| 21:40.36 | war92 | brb. |
| 21:40.36 | \amethyst | war92: try /etc/init.d/xfs restart (as root) |
| 21:40.46 | war92 | k brb! |
| 21:40.48 | centrx | tzfardea, you could try just installing it with apt-get |
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| 21:41.12 | zebalin7 | Anyone here use etch or are you all on the bleeding edge with sid? |
| 21:41.19 | \amethyst | sid here |
| 21:41.30 | zebalin7 | Big update waiting for you in etch!!! |
| 21:41.36 | plbgnr_ | ...ahould I get somewhere earlier version of gcc? |
| 21:41.37 | centrx | zebalin7, i use etch but i don't use kde |
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| 21:41.55 | zebalin7 | centrx: I think I'm only one on planet with etch and kde :-) |
| 21:41.57 | centrx | zebalin7, x.org 6.9 failed for me because of an incompatibility with Radeon graphics cards |
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| 21:42.35 | zebalin7 | centrx: I'm going to install sid to a spare parttiion this week and see how it goes. |
| 21:42.48 | zebalin7 | (upgrade to sid, actually) |
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| 21:43.14 | sparr_ | ONE relevant hit on google, and its in german! :( |
| 21:43.30 | mpoer | xdm vs gdm vs kdm, what's the differance in functionality and system requirements/resources? |
| 21:43.44 | mpoer | (note: i'm using fluxbox) |
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| 21:43.51 | _rene_ | sparr_: heh |
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| 21:45.06 | mpoer | anyone have a preferance for one display manager login thingy over another? |
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| 21:45.37 | vieira2 | I do. |
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| 21:45.54 | mpoer | for which one and why? |
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| 21:46.26 | abrotman | yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i've got more BELL!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 21:46.47 | abrotman | dpkg: more cowbell |
| 21:46.47 | user__ | xdm is lightweight minimalistic login manager |
| 21:46.50 | vieira2 | I thought you'd never ask :) for GDM, because it's themeable and my girlfriend likes it |
| 21:47.03 | Virtual | how ca I check if my video card driver supports opengl ? |
| 21:47.05 | user__ | and gdm is based on xdm, it looks better, supports themes |
| 21:47.25 | vieira2 | kdm isn't based on xdm? |
| 21:47.29 | mpoer | does it add any functinality, or just themes? |
| 21:47.30 | user__ | it isn't |
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| 21:47.36 | user__ | as far as i know |
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| 21:47.57 | Peterken | Good evening all. I was woundering: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=153&file1=153-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Acqua I see that on much screenshots: a 'menu' bar at bottom site. Can someone tell me how that software is called? so i can look for it to test it at my desktop computer? |
| 21:48.06 | user__ | mpoer it does ad funcionality: you can resed and shutdown your system by pressing button - xdm dons't have such option |
| 21:48.10 | rAz_ | well, i did it ! thanks for your help all, and abrotman |
| 21:48.26 | vieira2 | mpoer: I haven't used XDM since a while, but I guess nothing really big is missing in it |
| 21:48.27 | abrotman | Peterken: ask #debian-kde or #kde |
| 21:48.29 | user__ | im usijng xdm myself |
| 21:48.31 | mpoer | user__: gdm does that? how id it on resources? any differance? |
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| 21:48.37 | beered | I'm considering to buy CorssOver Office. Somebody that used it: is it worth the money? |
| 21:48.42 | Peterken | ok abrotman, tnx |
| 21:49.00 | mpoer | xdm is just a login box and a debian logo... i don't need much more but I'm curious |
| 21:49.05 | user__ | mpoer, i don't get your question |
| 21:49.22 | Frosted | Does anyone know if there are any tools for directly changing the fan speed on a laptop? |
| 21:49.30 | markybob | beered, if you need it, probably. much easier to full around with than vanila wine |
| 21:49.32 | vieira2 | mpoer: GDM depends on the GNOME libraries |
| 21:49.39 | user__ | oh yes |
| 21:49.43 | zebalin7 | abrotman: it works now? |
| 21:49.46 | abrotman | zebalin7: sorry for wasting your time . i really thought i had checked them all earlier |
| 21:49.50 | user__ | thats for sure |
| 21:49.50 | beered | markybob: Shamefuly, I want it for games. Did you use it? |
| 21:49.51 | mpoer | I was just wondering if gdm has any superiority over xdm, and has any mor requirements and/or takes more memory to use |
| 21:49.58 | streuner | Virtual: man glxinfo |
| 21:50.00 | pipeline | mpoer: GDM is more easily configured than xdm. |
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| 21:50.12 | mpoer | i don't have GNOME, so maybe i shouldn't mess with it? |
| 21:50.12 | user__ | pipeline, xdm ins't someting you should configure |
| 21:50.16 | zebalin7 | abrotman: not a problem. I just want to know WHAT it is that you did or didn't do. |
| 21:50.16 | pipeline | mpoer: gdm also allows you to use gdmflexiserver, which is very convenient. |
| 21:50.19 | abrotman | zebalin7: all i can think is that it was a new channel in the mixer |
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| 21:50.25 | pipeline | user__: Right, then. Please nip off and die. |
| 21:50.26 | beered | mpoer: gdm has more eyedandy and options. |
| 21:50.27 | vieira2 | mpoer: it looks much better, is much more flexible (graphic wise) but uses a lot more memory/resources |
| 21:50.37 | abrotman | zebalin7: changed the Aux level in alsamixer (though i did muck iwth modules too) |
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| 21:50.48 | markybob | beered, never for games, no. yes, i use it. i do some testing for codeweavers |
| 21:50.51 | pipeline | mpoer, vieira2: Uh, what? gdm uses more memory than xdm? excuse me? |
| 21:50.53 | vieira2 | mpoer: I wouldn't use GDM if I weren't using GNOME. |
| 21:50.57 | pipeline | vieira2: xdm is a monster. |
| 21:51.11 | zebalin7 | abrotman: after you play with alsamixer isn't there some command you have to give to save the parms and make them 'stick' for next boot? |
| 21:51.15 | mpoer | i'm a very low-end laptop, so resources are precious to me. i only have 96mb RAM |
| 21:51.17 | freeone3000 | *dm = bad. |
| 21:51.17 | user__ | configure xdm? heh, there is not much to configure |
| 21:51.25 | beered | vieira2: why not? |
| 21:51.30 | pipeline | user__: You're clearly totally unfamiliar with xdm. Please shut up. |
| 21:51.31 | vieira2 | pipeline: well.. I guessed it because it depends on GNOME libs... even if xdm is big, gnome libs are larger |
| 21:51.32 | zinx | user__: yes there is |
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| 21:51.44 | mpoer | right |
| 21:51.50 | user__ | pipeline, i am familiar with xdm, don't tell me what to do |
| 21:51.52 | markybob | beered, before you buy it, shoot off an email to the crossover mailing list and ask *specifically* about which programs/games you want to run. |
| 21:51.53 | mpoer | that makes sense. I think I'll stick with xdm |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | zebalin7: i think it does it automagically if you do it as root |
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| 21:52.05 | pipeline | mpoer, vieira2: That's a poor metric. You can't ascertain how much memory it will use from how many libraries it dependso n. |
| 21:52.06 | beered | markybob: oh, that's an excelent idea! thanks. |
| 21:52.13 | zebalin7 | abrotman: ok. |
| 21:52.20 | pipeline | user__: In that case, you're an idiot. xdm is a rather complicated application with byzantine configuration files. |
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| 21:52.23 | beered | vieira2: you probably have bunch of gnome libs already. |
| 21:52.24 | user__ | i know you can change background, and this login table properies |
| 21:52.24 | vieira2 | beered: why would I load gtk and gnome libs if i'm not going to use them? |
| 21:52.24 | zinx | mpoer: why worry about how much resources the display manager takes? it's only running when you're logging in, anyway... |
| 21:52.29 | pipeline | user__: There's quite a lot to configure, and many things to screw up. |
| 21:52.36 | mpoer | no, but i'd rather not download a million libs just to run gdm |
| 21:52.41 | user__ | pipeline, you are just anoying fsck |
| 21:52.43 | user__ | so stfu |
| 21:52.45 | vieira2 | beered: of course, I'm running GNOME :P |
| 21:52.45 | pipeline | mpoer: Oh, well, that's a different issue :) |
| 21:52.49 | Gnea | !troll user__ |
| 21:52.57 | beered | vieira2: oh. LOL that's funny. |
| 21:53.04 | zinx | mpoer: you don't have gtk+2.0 already? |
| 21:53.06 | pipeline | user__: Don't say things that are completely false. |
| 21:53.16 | user__ | it inst' false |
| 21:53.18 | Gnea | user__: be nice or don't get helped. |
| 21:53.23 | mpoer | no idea...what's gtk? |
| 21:53.29 | mpoer | i've heard of it but idk what it is |
| 21:53.30 | vieira2 | beered: but IF I were to use fluxbox and other apps, I'd stay away from either GNOME or KDE |
| 21:53.31 | pipeline | user__: xdm is highly configurable and quite complex. You said that there is nothing to configure. That is a false statement. |
| 21:53.31 | user__ | Gnea, i did not ask for help |
| 21:53.32 | zinx | mpoer: a very common toolkit |
| 21:53.37 | pipeline | mpoer: gtk is an extremely common GUI library. |
| 21:53.38 | markybob | mpoer, google. |
| 21:53.48 | Gnea | user__: you've been warned. |
| 21:53.52 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 21:53.52 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 21:53.55 | zebalin7 | I have kde ark. someone send me a .zip file. ark won't open it saying 'zip utility not in your path'. I need to install zip? Debian/kde does not ship with it? |
| 21:53.55 | zinx | mpoer: and, most likely what most of the libraries gdm uses are |
| 21:54.04 | beered | vieira2: I'm on flux box and I use gdm, and everything is just wonderfuly fast. Lots of eye candy too. |
| 21:54.15 | abrotman | zebalin7: you have to instal lit |
| 21:54.16 | user__ | Gnea, i am nice most often but sometimes if osmeone insults me i get angry |
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| 21:54.21 | pipeline | mpoer: Let's put it this way: You won't have very many useful applications if you don't install gtk2 at some point. A huge number of apps require it. |
| 21:54.26 | zebalin7 | abrotman: zip is not same as gzip? |
| 21:54.28 | abrotman | Gnea: you .. cheesehead! |
| 21:54.30 | vieira2 | beered: all right. put it on a 486 ;-) |
| 21:54.30 | abrotman | zebalin7: nope |
| 21:54.38 | pipeline | zebalin7: They use similar algorithms, but they're different file formats. |
| 21:54.39 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I hope it is in etch. |
| 21:54.40 | mpoer | beered: what type of system do you use? like how much RAM do you have? |
| 21:54.45 | abrotman | !info zip etch |
| 21:54.47 | abrotman | !info unzip etch |
| 21:54.58 | Gnea | user__: then you're in the wrong place. |
| 21:55.00 | dpkg | unzip: (De-archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.52-6 (etch), Packaged size: 144 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 21:55.03 | dpkg | zip: (Archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.31-3 (etch), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 204 kB |
| 21:55.18 | vieira2 | zip is non-free right? |
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| 21:55.19 | beered | vieira2 mpoer: I'm on a pentium M, 1.6GHz, with 1.2GB Ram. |
| 21:55.19 | Gnea | abrotman: :) |
| 21:55.20 | zebalin7 | abrotman: thanks. I'm off to apt-get land now. |
| 21:55.21 | user__ | Gnea, and who do you think you are to tell me if i am in the wrong place or not? |
| 21:55.22 | pipeline | mpoer: Honestly, 96M is enough to run about anything. Unless you want a web browser. |
| 21:55.29 | pipeline | vieira2: Nope. |
| 21:55.34 | abrotman | zebalin7: your problem was much easier to solve :) |
| 21:55.38 | mpoer | yes well I'd bet everything runs smoothly for you, doesn't it :) |
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| 21:55.44 | Gnea | user__: no one likes anger. |
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| 21:55.45 | zebalin7 | abrotman: yours was more fun. |
| 21:55.48 | beered | vieira2 mpoer: right now I'm Freq scaled to 600MHz and things are smooth as baby's ass. LOL |
| 21:55.51 | abrotman | zebalin7: and idiotic :) |
| 21:55.57 | vieira2 | beered: You could be running GNOME on a console and KDE on another and it would be fast... |
| 21:55.57 | mpoer | but with 300mhz Pent2 and 96mb RAM and a 5 gig hdd... |
| 21:55.58 | user__ | Gnea, noone likes to be insulted as well |
| 21:56.06 | Gnea | user__: take it or leave it. |
| 21:56.08 | abrotman | BELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 21:56.26 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I knew it would be something simple. Spent years with Slackware and 90% of all sound problems were alsa related. |
| 21:56.26 | pipeline | mpoer: The RAM is going to cause you more suffering than the small HD or processor speed. |
| 21:56.26 | beered | vieira2 mpoer: yes, that is right. |
| 21:56.33 | Gnea | user__: life will go on. |
| 21:56.35 | abrotman | zebalin7: i hate alsa |
| 21:56.36 | vieira2 | mpoer: what apps do you use the most? |
| 21:56.38 | abrotman | zebalin7: i hate oss |
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| 21:56.40 | pipeline | mpoer: Mozilla is a monster. It'll eat 96M of RAM in seconds after starting up :P |
| 21:56.41 | mpoer | i know, and it is my main concern |
| 21:56.44 | zebalin7 | abrotman: if you will pardon the french... ALSA IS CRAP. |
| 21:56.47 | mpoer | firefox, Nedit |
| 21:56.50 | user__ | Gnea, sometimes you have to hit back |
| 21:56.50 | beered | vieira2 mpoer: heck I don't even have a swap partition. don't need it with this much ram. |
| 21:56.52 | vieira2 | mpoer: that's a high chance you already have GTK anyway... |
| 21:56.54 | abrotman | zebalin7: s/ALSA/SOUND IN LINUX/ |
| 21:56.55 | pipeline | mpoer: Firefox will make that thing thrash swap like mad. |
| 21:56.58 | mpoer | i survive fine until I open OOo :/ |
| 21:57.04 | Gnea | user__: and sometimes you need to face the consequences. |
| 21:57.14 | vieira2 | beered: stop showing off! :P |
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| 21:57.18 | Gnea | zebalin7: what's wrong with alsa? |
| 21:57.21 | abrotman | user__ is a canadian! |
| 21:57.22 | beered | vieira2: :P |
| 21:57.28 | pipeline | mpoer: Yeah, well, your choice of display manager / desktop environment / what have you are just needles in the haystack. OOo and Firefox each take up hundreds of megs of RAM each :P |
| 21:57.32 | user__ | abrotman, if you say so |
| 21:57.36 | Gnea | abrotman: i thought he was a pole |
| 21:57.43 | abrotman | Gnea: hey .. i was just insulting him :) |
| 21:57.53 | pipeline | user__: So, is "hitting back" your revenge for being flat wrong and insisting on it? :P |
| 21:57.55 | vieira2 | pipeline: firefox takes as much as mozilla? |
| 21:58.02 | Gnea | abrotman: too many people must have run into him :) |
| 21:58.04 | pipeline | vieira2: Err, firefox *is* mozilla. |
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| 21:58.07 | pipeline | vieira2: And yes. |
| 21:58.15 | vieira2 | pipeline: i mean mozilla-suite |
| 21:58.17 | mpoer | yes, i know. i don't want a desktop environment (well, i want, but i'm happy enough with fluxbox). i was just wondering about xdm vs gdm, mainly. my friend told me he likes gdm so much better and i wasn't sure why |
| 21:58.18 | pipeline | vieira2: I mean, it forked a few months ago, but it's still pretty much the same app. |
| 21:58.31 | pipeline | vieira2: Heh, Firefox is even larger than mozilla-suite, and about half as capable. It's a monster. |
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| 21:58.40 | pipeline | vieira2: Gecko itself is memory-hungry. |
| 21:58.40 | user__ | pipeline, you have earned place on my permanent ignore list |
| 21:58.49 | Gnea | user__: you know, people get shot dead for hitting back in some places. |
| 21:58.50 | abrotman | pipeline: cry .. just a little |
| 21:58.51 | vieira2 | pipeline: I always got the feeling it was faster and (hence) smaller... jeesh |
| 21:58.51 | pipeline | user__: Fair enough. That's what it's there for, right? |
| 21:59.16 | pipeline | vieira2: Nope. Internally, it's pretty much the same as the Suite. It's just as huge and slow, it just has less features. |
| 21:59.20 | mpoer | firefox a monster? sir, firefox loads 10x faster than Opera, Mozilla-suite... if it weren't fore firefox i'd be stuck with links2 -g |
| 21:59.24 | user__ | Gnea, it depends how hard you can hit |
| 21:59.31 | abrotman | mpoer: ahah .. that's funny |
| 21:59.34 | Gnea | user__: or if you actually hit. |
| 21:59.35 | vieira2 | hahaha |
| 21:59.50 | pipeline | vieira2: Mozilla developers were so pissed off over the firefox thing that about half of them left the project. Hence the new "Seamonkey" project which seeks to continue the development of the suite. |
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| 22:00.03 | mpoer | unless you have less than 96mb RAM, don't talk to me about conserving resources ;) |
| 22:00.11 | abrotman | mpoer: i can guarantee you FF doesn't start 10x faster than opera |
| 22:00.16 | vieira2 | pipeline: wow... why did they get so pissed? |
| 22:00.20 | pipeline | mpoer: Opera runs pretty well inside of 32M of RAM. Firefox uses 128+ on startup. |
| 22:00.27 | mpoer | (j/k if that sounded too serious) |
| 22:00.41 | pipeline | vieira2: Because the people running mozilla.org decided that the suite was going to be discontinued, and firefox has most of the features stripped out. |
| 22:00.46 | vieira2 | mpoer: run dillo :P |
| 22:00.51 | mpoer | Opera loads slower than Firefox in practice, though i've seen test that say otherwise |
| 22:01.00 | user__ | man always hits back ;) |
| 22:01.07 | Gnea | user__: even an attempt to hit, whether it connects or not, is grounds for removal. |
| 22:01.09 | pipeline | vieira2: Firefox is seriously the same rendering engine at heart. It's still huge and bloated; it just has fewer user-accessible bells and whistles enabled by default. |
| 22:01.12 | mpoer | actually, i don't have dillo, i'll get it too (i need 'em all for web development) |
| 22:01.22 | pipeline | mpoer: dillo is extremely fast, but has /no/ features. |
| 22:01.32 | pipeline | mpoer: I've run dillo on sickeningly slow systems (12 MHz) |
| 22:01.34 | mpoer | dillo doesn't do much for CSS, does it? |
| 22:01.40 | pipeline | I don't think it does /any/ css :P |
| 22:01.44 | pipeline | it barely does tables |
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| 22:01.48 | vieira2 | pipeline: yeah, I knew Gecko came from Mozilla... but I guessed it was "improved" |
| 22:01.49 | mpoer | I've used it with Damn Small Linux, and it doesn't seem like much |
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| 22:01.58 | user__ | Gnea, what are you trying to say |
| 22:02.00 | abrotman | mpoer: you realize FF is just a browser .. and Opera has .. like EVERYTHING ? and opera still starts faster .. renders faster .. just all around better |
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| 22:02.18 | vieira2 | abrotman: Opera is free? |
| 22:02.20 | Gnea | user__: i've already said it, you just haven't been paying attention. |
| 22:02.20 | mpoer | yes, but if i use webmail, all i need is a browser |
| 22:02.21 | pipeline | vieira2: Actually, it's had some regressions. None of the firefox developers really understood Gecko's internals, so the firefox fork has opened memory leaks that did not exist before the fork :| |
| 22:02.24 | mpoer | Opera is free since 8.5 |
| 22:02.33 | abrotman | vieira2: beer free .. not speech free |
| 22:02.33 | \amethyst | BTW, if you turn off the firefox memory cache, it will (of course) be significantly smaller |
| 22:02.37 | mpoer | i'm very familier with it |
| 22:02.46 | pipeline | vieira2: Firefox, overall, has been a disaster. |
| 22:02.49 | mpoer | but on a slow system, when i want *just* a browser, i want firefox |
| 22:02.59 | pipeline | mpoer: Wow are you badly misguided. |
| 22:03.05 | mpoer | how s? |
| 22:03.09 | mpoer | *how so? |
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| 22:03.11 | pipeline | mpoer: Firefox is a monstrous creature. It takes hours to start on some of my systems :| |
| 22:03.25 | pipeline | mpoer: I can seriously go out to lunch and come back before Firefox will start on my SS20. |
| 22:03.32 | Gnea | pipeline: it depends how you use it. |
| 22:03.37 | pipeline | mpoer: Opera loads inside of thirty seconds. |
| 22:03.42 | vieira2 | pipeline: oh, it may be from the developers' PoV, but from a user's... it has been a success |
| 22:03.51 | mpoer | Opera loads inside of 30 seconds for me as well |
| 22:03.55 | mpoer | but firefox loads inside of 20 |
| 22:04.02 | pipeline | vieira2: Heh, that's because the Mozilla Foundation finally spent all their damn money |
| 22:04.10 | abrotman | only because you just clsed it two minutes ago :) |
| 22:04.18 | user__ | abrotman, firefox starts much faster on my box, and firefox has many many extensions which can extend functionality much more then what opera has to offer |
| 22:04.26 | pipeline | mpoer: Say whatever you like. Firefox is the very definition of "bloated." It's huge, it consumes massive amounts of memory and processor time, but it lacks features. Go figure. |
| 22:04.34 | mpoer | but look, i'm not trying to start a browser war here. i'm just talking resources for login managers |
| 22:04.40 | abrotman | user__: i've found exactly one useful extensino to FF that opera doesn't have |
| 22:04.44 | ringo999 | ha...kde seems to be so much better then gnome |
| 22:04.48 | pipeline | mpoer: I mean, it's not bloat when an application is large if it actually has, you know, features. But FF lacks many things. |
| 22:04.50 | pipeline | ringo999: Then use KDE :P |
| 22:04.51 | ringo999 | i just realized... |
| 22:04.58 | ringo999 | pipeline: i am :D |
| 22:04.59 | vieira2 | pipeline: I don't think so... the UI is really straighforward... I was a Mozilla fan before switching to FF, and haven't done so before it released 1.0 |
| 22:05.17 | pipeline | vieira2: I miss Netscape 4. As in, the non-XUL GUI that was actually fairly responsive. |
| 22:05.23 | \amethyst | So, how about those haskell compilers, huh? |
| 22:05.24 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I can't believe kde ships with an archiver but not with zip and unzip!! Anyway, it worked. Have a beep on me!!! |
| 22:05.28 | pipeline | vieira2: Too bad Netscape 4's renderer is incredibly broken. |
| 22:05.32 | user__ | the only problem with firefox is that it seems to be as buggy as IE ;) |
| 22:05.38 | abrotman | zebalin7: yeah .. not everyone uses zip/unzip |
| 22:05.48 | ma3x | are there 750 MB cds? |
| 22:05.49 | mpoer | user__, that's just a silly thing to say |
| 22:06.01 | vieira2 | pipeline: my memories from Netscape on Linux are from my 486... I don't miss it :) |
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| 22:06.06 | pipeline | mpoer, user__ : Yeah, everyone knows that firefox is way, way buggier than IE :) |
| 22:06.21 | pipeline | vieira2: eheheh. Netscape 4 is really, really, really slow on a 486. |
| 22:06.30 | user__ | but its true |
| 22:06.37 | zebalin7 | abrotman: any idea why Firefox 1.5 never made it to etch? |
| 22:06.50 | pipeline | vieira2: You know, if you install libc5 compat and xlib compat libraries from woody and potato (respectively), you can still make Netscape 3 run on modern debian. |
| 22:06.58 | pipeline | vieira2: It doesn't have many features, but good lord is that mother fast. |
| 22:07.00 | ma3x | are there 750 MB cds? |
| 22:07.02 | abrotman | zebalin7: just not there yet .. it'll get there sooner or later |
| 22:07.05 | zebalin7 | msg dpkg |
| 22:07.10 | streuner | zebalin7: /msg dpkg why is mozilla-firefox not in testing |
| 22:07.11 | zebalin7 | ooops. |
| 22:07.27 | pipeline | mpoer: That reminds me: Had you considered using netscape 3? |
| 22:07.31 | vieira2 | pipeline: I guess the processor itself isn't to blame... it ran at 100MHz... but the 32MB memory + lots of swapping really sucked |
| 22:07.34 | pipeline | mpoer: It's not a great browser, but it does the bare minimum :P |
| 22:07.42 | pipeline | vieira2: Oh, heh, I was thinking more like a 25 or 33 |
| 22:07.46 | Forumgdh | channel debianfans |
| 22:07.59 | vieira2 | pipeline: no, I'm fine with my athlon XP with 512meg now :-D |
| 22:08.17 | vieira2 | pipeline: thanks for the tip though. might be useful if I ressurect that box |
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| 22:08.29 | useruser | vieira2: i'd go with dillo |
| 22:08.43 | pipeline | useruser: ns3 does a lot of things dillo doesn't :P |
| 22:09.04 | useruser | pipeline: ok. i don't think i ever actually used it |
| 22:09.09 | Forumgdh | channel debianfans |
| 22:09.12 | vieira2 | useruser: last time I tried dillo it was woody with GTK 1.2... Has it switched to GTK2 already? |
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| 22:09.34 | pipeline | vieira2: There was a port to GTK2, but it was abandoned, because the GTK 1.2 version rendered literally twice as fast. |
| 22:09.38 | vieira2 | !trollsmite Forumgdh |
| 22:09.43 | pipeline | vieira2: It is very unlikely that they will ever port to gtk2. |
| 22:09.43 | streuner | Forumgdh: are you a bot? |
| 22:09.50 | useruser | vieira2: no, still on gtk 1.2, but it now has antialiased fonts |
| 22:09.56 | Forumgdh | !trollsmite |
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| 22:10.24 | zebalin7 | Looks like firefox is waiting on other arch builds since all the deps seem to be in green (ok). |
| 22:10.45 | dn4 | Does anyone here know what software is used to create wireless AP? |
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| 22:11.00 | zebalin7 | I wish to hell that debian would give priority to the 386/686 arch and do the other chips later. (hit me with your best shot!!! :-)) |
| 22:11.02 | Forumgdh | channel debianfans |
| 22:11.06 | markybob | Forumgdh, what the fuck? |
| 22:11.17 | azeem | markybob: uhm? |
| 22:11.18 | markybob | Forumgdh, are you really too stupid to figure out how to switch channels? |
| 22:11.25 | streuner | s(he) is in #debianfans and wants us to join... |
| 22:11.27 | azeem | markybob: could you chill a bit, please |
| 22:11.30 | pipeline | zebalin7: Heh, they actually decided to do that recently. |
| 22:11.39 | azeem | Forumgdh: please stop spamming this channel |
| 22:11.42 | pipeline | zebalin7: For Etch, a large number of architectures were declared "second class citizens" |
| 22:11.46 | zebalin7 | pipeline: really? I think that's great. Thanks. |
| 22:11.56 | pipeline | zebalin7: I'm not too pleased about it, actually. |
| 22:12.06 | markybob | dn4, try google next time. http://oob.freeshell.org/nzwireless/LWAP-HOWTO.html |
| 22:12.07 | zebalin7 | pipeline: why? |
| 22:12.24 | abrotman | Sunday ... I love Sunday .. No other day will do .. I love Sunday ... |
| 22:12.26 | zebalin7 | pipeline: you on a sparc or amd? |
| 22:12.33 | pipeline | zebalin7: In most cases, Debian was the only decent Free Software OS available for those architectures. Being relegated to "SCC" status means development will grind to a halt because package maintainers will no longer be /required/ to deal with them on a frequent basis. |
| 22:12.34 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.36 | vieira2 | Forumgdh is a brazilian hardware-related website (with really poor content)... I guess it's just a spammer for both the site and the channel... |
| 22:12.38 | streuner | abrotman: hehe :-) |
| 22:12.40 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I beep to that. |
| 22:12.41 | ma3x | are there 750 MB cds? |
| 22:12.43 | pipeline | zebalin7: Eh, AMD64 and SPARC64 are both first-class platforms. |
| 22:12.47 | markybob | abrotman, i always forget to take my blood pressure meds before coming here on sundays. i always regret it |
| 22:12.57 | pipeline | zebalin7: sparc32, m68k, Alpha and a few others are second-class citizens. :( |
| 22:12.58 | streuner | haha |
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| 22:13.12 | abrotman | pipeline: they should start porting teams(if they don't have them already) |
| 22:13.20 | zebalin7 | pipeline: so why are you not happy? |
| 22:13.21 | ma3x | streuner, I've always seen only 700 MB CD's. are there also 750MB ? |
| 22:13.22 | streuner | markybob: some people need it |
| 22:13.34 | debianfans | channel debianfans |
| 22:13.35 | pipeline | zebalin7: Because I don't want the niche platforms to lose Debian support. |
| 22:13.39 | streuner | ma3x: why? |
| 22:13.41 | abrotman | markybob: i make sure to eat a few eggs first .. i keep trying for a heart attack :) |
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| 22:13.43 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 22:13.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*=dunduncs@200.140.86.*] by azeem |
| 22:13.47 | ma3x | streuner, for burning purpose :p |
| 22:13.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 22:13.53 | markybob | abrotman, heh :) |
| 22:13.54 | streuner | ma3x: 700MB is the cheapest solution... |
| 22:14.08 | azeem | debianfans: you have been silenced for 10 minutes due to inappropriate spamming |
| 22:14.09 | zebalin7 | pipeline: well, if they don't come here (etch/sid) they are going to the U place. |
| 22:14.18 | ma3x | streuner, is 750 much more expensive? |
| 22:14.20 | pipeline | zebalin7: The "U place" ? |
| 22:14.27 | streuner | ma3x: sure |
| 22:14.27 | pipeline | abrotman: What do you mean? |
| 22:14.33 | zebalin7 | pipeline: ubuntu |
| 22:14.41 | abrotman | pipeline: eggs .. cholesterol ? |
| 22:14.43 | pipeline | zebalin7: That makes no bloody sense. |
| 22:14.44 | vieira2 | pipeline: Alpha too? What will those people run? |
| 22:14.50 | streuner | ma3x: in relation to 700 MB its more expensive |
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| 22:15.03 | pipeline | vieira2: Heh, you see my point. Debian is the last reasonably-well-supported Alpha-Linux distribution. |
| 22:15.11 | abrotman | vieira2: just means it's not an official release .. i don't agree with it . but i'm not a DD . i don't get to vote |
| 22:15.11 | streuner | ma3x: cost per CD/ MB |
| 22:15.11 | ma3x | streuner, how much? $10 more or $2 or what? |
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| 22:15.27 | markybob | ma3x, for the love of all that is pure and holy, go to newegg.com and find out |
| 22:15.28 | pipeline | zebalin7: Ubuntu doesn't care about niche platforms. They just do macppc and i386. |
| 22:15.29 | zebalin7 | pipeline: doesn't ubuntu ported to all the archs? |
| 22:15.32 | pipeline | zebalin7: Hell no |
| 22:15.42 | ma3x | markybob, for the love my friend! fuck it!! |
| 22:15.50 | streuner | ma3x: divide the cost of 1 CD (700MB) and 750 MB and see how much 1 MB cost... |
| 22:15.57 | zebalin7 | pipeline: sorry, didn't know that. I thought with all their money they were able to support all the niche arches. |
| 22:16.05 | pipeline | zebalin7: They've chosen not to. |
| 22:16.08 | ma3x | streuner, dont be that excentric! |
| 22:16.10 | zebalin7 | (I've never used Ubun) |
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| 22:16.22 | streuner | ma3x: hm? |
| 22:16.27 | vieira2 | I saw some great Alpha machines... |
| 22:16.30 | pipeline | zebalin7: There's nothing special about it. It's a fork of sid. |
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| 22:16.47 | streuner | azeem: '!' is a full ban... |
| 22:16.48 | pipeline | vieira2: Yeah, well, if you have an Alpha, your choices are pretty much NetBSD, Tru64, and VMS. Because Debian is about dried up on it. |
| 22:16.49 | ma3x | streuner, you devide too much and scary me with price ideas |
| 22:16.58 | zebalin7 | pipeline: yes. I've used kanotix for a while.... until the last rel would not boot to my SATA second HD. |
| 22:17.02 | ma3x | streuner, just tell me if it's 0,50 EURO expensiver, it's not a problem |
| 22:17.04 | streuner | ma3x: well, if you have too much money.. |
| 22:17.08 | azeem | streuner: full ban? |
| 22:17.20 | vieira2 | pipeline: 'dried up'? what do you mean> |
| 22:17.21 | vieira2 | ? |
| 22:17.26 | streuner | ma3x: i have no idea, how much a 700 MB or a 750 MB is in .ch |
| 22:17.29 | zebalin7 | pipeline: so I came to debian 'pure' (everyone and their dog calls THEIR distro 'debian' these days). |
| 22:17.31 | pipeline | vieira2: Mostly dead. |
| 22:17.31 | markybob | expensiver? really? wow. that actually made me laugh |
| 22:17.50 | ma3x | streuner, okay nevermind... how much is it in deutschland? |
| 22:17.57 | dn4 | Does anyone know how to make a pci netgear WG311v3 wireless card into a host Access point under linux? |
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| 22:18.00 | \amethyst | markybob: don't make fun of the non-native speakers :) |
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| 22:18.06 | pipeline | zebalin7: It's always been that way. As long as debian existed, there have been forks of debian. Debian puts so much work into making it easy to develop the distribution further, if you were going to make your own linux distribution, wouldn't it make sense to fork it? |
| 22:18.08 | streuner | azeem: full bans are '!' and '%' are to make people silenced... |
| 22:18.16 | pipeline | vieira2: After Sarge, there won't be any Debian for Alpha releases. |
| 22:18.22 | pipeline | vieira2: So in a couple of years, no more packages. |
| 22:18.24 | zebalin7 | pipeline: other day a ubun guy came here to ask a Q and he got torched badly!! (not by me!) |
| 22:18.29 | azeem | streuner: the difference being that he won't be able to rejoin, right? |
| 22:18.36 | pipeline | zebalin7: That's because this is #debian. Ubuntu has its own channel. |
| 22:18.50 | streuner | azeem: at the moment? no. |
| 22:19.04 | zebalin7 | pipeline: true. I agree. But it doesn not hurt to be nice to folks. |
| 22:19.06 | azeem | if they don't bother to keep quiet for 10 minutes and leaves before, they didn't mean to make an effort |
| 22:19.21 | azeem | streuner: maybe I am missing something |
| 22:19.31 | vieira2 | pipeline: hmm... that's sad... I don't own an Alpha, but I know who does... The Govmt. of Santa Catarina, Brazil has some... It would be nice if they sell it on eBay :) |
| 22:19.34 | streuner | azeem: +q instead of +b |
| 22:19.36 | dn4 | pipeline, what do yuo mean no more Debian for alpha? |
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| 22:20.34 | centrx | pipeline, according the release qualification alpha is a release-candidate |
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| 22:20.52 | azeem | streuner: well, I was just lazy and let irssi's /ban command figure it out |
| 22:20.54 | pipeline | dn4: It's a SCC port now. Meaning no more releases. |
| 22:21.04 | azeem | pipeline: uhm, no |
| 22:21.06 | markybob | dn4, http://lists.debian.org/debian-alpha/2005/03/msg00034.html |
| 22:21.11 | pipeline | centrx: Oh, so Alpha made the cut. Last I heard, it wasn't going to make it. |
| 22:21.16 | azeem | there's a difference between so called scc ports and releasing ports |
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| 22:21.39 | streuner | there is not that difference, because s(he) didn't listen much either... |
| 22:21.43 | \amethyst | http://wiki.debian.org/alphaEtchReleaseRecertification |
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| 22:22.51 | zebalin7 | war92: did you get your emacs fixed? There is a posting on linux.debian.user about it. |
| 22:22.52 | pipeline | azeem: At any rate, scc ports are just what they sound like. |
| 22:23.04 | SimonRaven | !find IndexDistributions.pm |
| 22:23.08 | NightSky | ... |
| 22:23.17 | NightSky | Û |
| 22:23.40 | pipeline | zebalin7: Well, it does hurt, because when Ubuntu's developers do something different from Debian's, we won't know about it. We can't ask what release they're running -- it's not sarge, it's not etch, it's not sid. It's something in between with changes sprinkled in. It's thoroughly impractical, and it says right in the topic that Ubuntu has its own channel. |
| 22:23.58 | NightSky | Àò ÷¸? áóðæóéñêèé ñåðâåð? |
| 22:24.06 | SimonRaven | english please |
| 22:24.10 | zebalin7 | Why is the bot named dkpg? |
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| 22:24.19 | streuner | why not? |
| 22:24.23 | zebalin7 | pipeline: yes, but flaming the hell out of people is not going to solve anything. |
| 22:24.26 | SimonRaven | because |
| 22:24.37 | NightSky | this is english server? |
| 22:24.37 | azeem | zebalin7: why try to point them to #ubuntu |
| 22:24.39 | pipeline | zebalin7: There's nothing to solve. |
| 22:24.44 | pipeline | NightSky: This particular channel is english-only. |
| 22:24.46 | poli | Hello! Can anyone recomend a very lightweight graphical www browser? |
| 22:24.48 | azeem | some are more courteous than others |
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| 22:24.52 | SimonRaven | NightSky: the channel is |
| 22:24.53 | abrotman | !ru |
| 22:24.53 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 22:24.53 | pipeline | NightSky: There are various other channels for other languages. |
| 22:25.22 | NightSky | Why? |
| 22:25.32 | SimonRaven | because |
| 22:25.43 | azeem | poli: dillo, maybe |
| 22:25.47 | NightSky | dpkg: Sps! =) |
| 22:25.57 | ghb | I'm trying to download Debian, but I see there are like 13 CDs! Do you really need them all? Downloading the DVD takes hours... Can't I just download the essentials and then the packages I want afterwards? |
| 22:25.59 | zebalin7 | dkpg is a really smart bot. Does it have it's own website with ALL the questions/answers listed on it. Some distros have such a thing (i.e. kanotix). |
| 22:26.07 | SimonRaven | 'dpkg' |
| 22:26.08 | amphi | ghb: netinstall |
| 22:26.14 | abrotman | !your factoids |
| 22:26.14 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 22:26.16 | zebalin7 | you could learn a lot just studying the bot. |
| 22:26.17 | ghb | amphi: Thank you! |
| 22:26.17 | freeone3000 | ghb: No. |
| 22:26.23 | poli | azeem: yes... I am playing with dillo right now. I just salvaged a 32MB Libretto 70CT, and I am trying to figure out what are the best apps to have running. Thank you. |
| 22:26.27 | freeone3000 | ghb: Nevermind, yes him. |
| 22:26.36 | ghb | freeone3000: ^^ |
| 22:26.39 | azeem | poli: I'd try elinks or links2 |
| 22:26.43 | ghb | amphi: Might add that I |
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| 22:27.00 | ghb | amphi: I'm sick and tired of non-working Kubuntu. I'm switching to something that (hopefully) works! |
| 22:27.03 | poli | azeem: I was between dillo and links2... I will try elinks too. Thanks again! |
| 22:27.11 | SimonRaven | !+find IndexDistributions.pm |
| 22:27.12 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:27.24 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'IndexDistributions.pm' returned no results. |
| 22:27.26 | \amethyst | poli: also look at w3m |
| 22:27.29 | amphi | ghb: kubuntu doesn't work? |
| 22:27.37 | SimonRaven | you said that 10 minutes ago you fricking bot |
| 22:27.40 | poli | \amethyst: Thank you, I will. |
| 22:27.43 | SimonRaven | fuck |
| 22:27.54 | SimonRaven | oh well, dh-make-perl time |
| 22:27.57 | freeone3000 | I have QT. I know I have QT. Where is my QT? |
| 22:27.59 | zebalin7 | abrotman: another beep to you!! |
| 22:28.12 | freeone3000 | QT here meaning header files. |
| 22:28.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'IndexDistributions.pm' returned no results. |
| 22:28.15 | streuner | freeone3000: locate? |
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| 22:28.33 | ghb | amphi: Well... For me, it doesn't. At least not as well as I would want it to. For instance, whenever I open some programs, I get two instances instead of one. And it's really difficult to administer the system since half of the times the kcontrol hangs itself, and half of the times it might work... |
| 22:28.36 | streuner | freeone3000: use ./configure --help (options)... |
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| 22:29.01 | chealer_ | Silent_al: why do I deserve that? |
| 22:29.15 | amphi | ghb: I've never used kde myself |
| 22:29.21 | streuner | to see where the QT dev files are installed use dpkg -L <package> |
| 22:29.25 | zebalin7 | abrotman: gotta go. XYL yelling at me (XYL == ham talk for ex-young lady==wife). Thanks for the zip help. |
| 22:29.27 | \amethyst | poli: there is a package called w3m-img that lets w3m do inline graphics |
| 22:29.33 | ghb | amphi: Which do you use? Maybe you can enlighten me. =) |
| 22:29.36 | Silent_al | chealer_, to say thanx :P about helping me with the nvidia driver on xorg6.9 , thnx m8 :) |
| 22:29.39 | \amethyst | poli: in xterm or with fbcon |
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| 22:30.07 | amphi | ghb: I've been using openbox and wmii, but wmii seems to be abandoning sloppy focus, so I return to openbox |
| 22:30.11 | chealer_ | Silent_al: oh, I don't remember, but great. I've just opened a bug report that should hopefully attract attention to the problem |
| 22:30.27 | nijan | Hello, need help with bluetooth, i can exchange files using kobex, but if i try to connect it ask mw the access code, I type in the mobile phone the one specified in /etc/bluetooth/pin but always have connection refused, is there any way to avoid it? |
| 22:30.38 | poli | \amethyst: That might be just what I am looking for" |
| 22:30.38 | abrotman | zebalin7: have a good evening .. thanks again |
| 22:30.55 | ghb | amphi: I'm quite a novice, so which would you recommend? I've grown a bit fond of KDE after previously using GNOME. But I hear there are alternatives. |
| 22:31.04 | Silent_al | chealer_, well the solution very simple, just install the latest driver ( 8178) from nvidia.com |
| 22:31.12 | \amethyst | poli: its rendering isn't much better than lynx or links, though |
| 22:31.12 | amphi | ghb: xfce4 perhaps? |
| 22:31.31 | ghb | amphi: Is it available on Debian? |
| 22:31.31 | chealer_ | Silent_al: shrug. I hope I didn't suggest you to do that |
| 22:31.34 | amphi | ghb: I like lightweight wms |
| 22:31.58 | \amethyst | poli: but it's fine for reading actual content, if you don't care about flashy CSS layouts :) |
| 22:32.01 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.12 | Silent_al | chealer_, y? is that a bad thing to do? |
| 22:32.25 | chealer_ | Silent_al: quite possibly. |
| 22:32.30 | Silent_al | =\ |
| 22:32.33 | chealer_ | !tell Silent_al about nvidia-installer |
| 22:32.34 | ghb | kspath: Are they easy to manage? Easy is a relative term, though... |
| 22:32.59 | Silent_al | actually i get better performences with 3d games .. |
| 22:32.59 | kspath | ghb: manage? they do what you tell them like most other window managers |
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| 22:33.18 | ghb | kspath: I suppose. =) I might add that I'm sitting on a laptop. |
| 22:33.36 | kspath | ghb: ion3 and openbox3 and fluxbox do not exactly follow the wimp interface |
| 22:33.40 | freeone3000 | Window managers don't break easy. |
| 22:33.46 | ghb | kspath: Wimp? |
| 22:33.52 | freeone3000 | Windows |
| 22:34.00 | freeone3000 | Something something something, which I ca't remember. |
| 22:34.04 | ghb | freeone3000: I see. |
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| 22:34.19 | vieira2 | Windows Impersonator? |
| 22:34.19 | kspath | ghb: google WIMP laptops are not chairs |
| 22:34.21 | freeone3000 | But they don't look like it.. neither does AfterStep. They're improvements. |
| 22:34.25 | poli | \amethyst: Hey, I am a guy who usually says that everything worth reading is worth reading in black and white ;) |
| 22:34.28 | beered | I can't find ntop (network top) in reps anymore. Was this package replaced by something else? |
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| 22:34.42 | Silent_al | chealer_, good to know, thanx, but i had no choise, i cant use the nv driver .. i need 3d acceleration. |
| 22:34.57 | kspath | ghb: Does the laptop you are sitting on at least have a cushion? |
| 22:35.07 | chealer_ | Silent_al: I guess you misunderstood the factoid's meaning. |
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| 22:35.12 | chealer_ | !nvidia-installer |
| 22:35.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-howto>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 22:35.18 | ghb | kspath: A cushion...? |
| 22:35.24 | kspath | ghb: Were you attempting to indicate that you use utilizing a laptop? |
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| 22:35.33 | ghb | kspath: Yes. Yes I was. =) |
| 22:35.40 | chealer_ | Silent_al: the factoid should say that you shouldn't use nvidia-installer, but Debian's packages |
| 22:35.43 | kspath | ghb: ghb> kspath: I suppose. =) I might add that I'm sitting on a laptop. |
| 22:35.45 | cr3 | how can I prevent hotplug from loading a module, specifically the visor module? |
| 22:35.48 | chealer_ | Silent_al: not that you should use nv |
| 22:36.01 | \amethyst | poli: elinks probably has better CSS support than w3m (it will use the page colours, or the nearest approximation) |
| 22:36.02 | ghb | kspath: As long as you know what I mean. =) |
| 22:36.04 | zinx | chealer_: tell 'em about nvidia one-liner, it's quicker that way. |
| 22:36.08 | \amethyst | poli: but w3m does images |
| 22:36.14 | kspath | ghb: You are mean? |
| 22:36.19 | \amethyst | poli: I don't know why anyone uses lynx or links2 still :) |
| 22:36.42 | chealer_ | zinx: the nvidia one-liner doesn't explain why nvidia-installer is bad, though |
| 22:37.04 | chealer_ | dpkg: nvidia-installer =~ s/nvidia-howto/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 22:37.06 | vieira2 | \amethyst: I do, when I want CLI web... |
| 22:37.07 | kspath | ghb: mean as in meaning? |
| 22:37.10 | chealer_ | !nvidia |
| 22:37.10 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 22:37.16 | \amethyst | vieira2: have you tried w3m and elinks? |
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| 22:37.28 | chealer_ | !nvidia-installer |
| 22:37.28 | dpkg | i heard nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-howto>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 22:37.28 | vieira2 | I'll never get used to their interfaces |
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| 22:37.39 | _tcc | Does anyone know where the rep is for winetools? |
| 22:37.41 | \amethyst | vieira2: I guess that's true... lynx is old-school |
| 22:37.42 | chealer_ | dpkg: nvidia-installer =~ s/nvidia-howto/nvidia-graphics-drivers/ |
| 22:37.42 | dpkg | OK, chealer_ |
| 22:37.45 | chealer_ | !nvidia-installer |
| 22:37.45 | dpkg | nvidia-installer is probably a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 22:37.48 | vieira2 | not that I'm a lynx power user anyway |
| 22:37.58 | \amethyst | vieira2: I think I started using lynx in 1995 |
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| 22:38.01 | vieira2 | I don't usually need CLI web :D |
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| 22:38.51 | vieira2 | \amethyst: If I recall it right, I first used lynx on my 486 to read HTML How-To's on how to configure X :) |
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| 22:39.03 | vieira2 | I was late 98, I guess |
| 22:39.08 | vieira2 | It* |
| 22:39.13 | Silent_al | chealer_ , thanx :) i got it now . |
| 22:39.35 | X-horizon | good evening everyone... |
| 22:39.40 | \amethyst | vieira2: I used to dial into Kansas City Public Library's BBC (toll-free number) as my only internet access, and they had lynx |
| 22:39.42 | X-horizon | (at least european time) |
| 22:39.58 | \amethyst | vieira2: about a year or so before I started using Linux |
| 22:40.00 | _tcc | Anyone know where the repository for wine tools is? |
| 22:40.02 | _tcc | I can't find it. |
| 22:40.48 | Nigromante | Hello, anyone running debian testing, can tell me if he/she can see anything in Gnome help (in desktop menu), or gets empty page? |
| 22:40.55 | vieira2 | to everyone/chealer_: wiki.serios.net has some good Debian how-to's... I used them to install the nVidia drivers almost effortlessly... |
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| 22:41.08 | freeone3000 | Ehm, g++ can't find /usr/include/qt4/Qt/qapplication.h for some reason, how should I tell it where it is? |
| 22:41.09 | bucky | _tcc, contrib or non-free ? |
| 22:41.20 | vieira2 | \amethyst: wow! I've never used any BBS :) |
| 22:41.24 | bucky | I use the one at winehq |
| 22:41.31 | bucky | for testing |
| 22:41.36 | \amethyst | vieira2: I ran one for about a year |
| 22:41.46 | _tcc | bucky, contrib I think. |
| 22:41.53 | \amethyst | vieira2: until I got a girlfriend and wanted to use the phone to talk to her :) |
| 22:41.56 | _tcc | bucky, where is the one at winehq? |
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| 22:42.09 | bucky | _tcc, on their website |
| 22:42.23 | chealer_ | vieira2: I wrote/rewrote the document the nvidia-graphics-drivers points to, so you'll have a hard convincing me there's a better one :) but it's a wiki page, so feel free to enhance it |
| 22:42.26 | vieira2 | \amethyst: hahaha <:) |
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| 22:42.52 | X-horizon | anyone using valknut/dcgui? I have a problem which simply is that the program wont leave "idle" status... even tho the other person has open slots, i get no more free slots warning |
| 22:43.01 | vieira2 | chealer_: allright, I haven't seen it :) |
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| 22:43.16 | chealer_ | vieira2: s/points/factoid points, s/hard/hard time |
| 22:43.17 | _tcc | bucky, where is the rep? |
| 22:43.28 | Nigromante | ...does anyone gnome help problem in debian testing? |
| 22:43.31 | chealer_ | chealer_: s/old brain/working brain |
| 22:43.35 | Nigromante | (have) |
| 22:43.47 | centrx | X-horizon, that happens sometimes for me, i just assumed there weren't open slots on the other |
| 22:43.49 | streuner | !es |
| 22:43.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:44.02 | centrx | X-horizon, it's not permanent, maybe try restarting the program or changing your username |
| 22:44.24 | abrotman | Nigromante: sure |
| 22:44.24 | centrx | X-horizon, it could be a bug on the other end also |
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| 22:44.55 | Nigromante | ok, thanks abrotman (I'm not the only one then) |
| 22:44.58 | X-horizon | centrx: i am more and more convinced that it's a problem between valknut and dc++ (the other user is using) |
| 22:45.08 | bucky | _tcc, right here http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb but the new 0.97 version deb in on sourceforge |
| 22:45.18 | abrotman | Nigromante: i have no panels! |
| 22:45.25 | X-horizon | centrx: this has been like that for a long while, but i know for a fact that the program works fine... i did download stuff before.. |
| 22:45.26 | Nigromante | oops |
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| 22:45.47 | streuner | abrotman: apt-get install pypanel ;-) |
| 22:46.05 | streuner | !info pypanel |
| 22:46.10 | dpkg | pypanel: (lightweight panel/taskbar for X11 window managers), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 22:46.11 | bucky | _tcc, use the repos to get your pin right and dependancies and then upgrade with the deb from sourceforge |
| 22:46.16 | abrotman | streuner: pass ... |
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| 22:46.22 | centrx | X-horizon, yea it mostly works fine for me too |
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| 22:47.26 | X-horizon | centrx: since the network changed here, i cant get the downloads work with public hubs.. (previously the only hub we could use was a internal university hub) |
| 22:47.33 | freeone3000 | <freeone3000> Ehm, g++ can't find /usr/include/qt4/Qt/qapplication.h for some reason, how should I tell it where it is? |
| 22:47.47 | azeem | freeone3000: set QTDIR I guess |
| 22:48.01 | bucky | _tcc, then set up your fake windows partition with winecfg and then set up IE6 with http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ by not overwriting the fake partition |
| 22:48.01 | freeone3000 | Thank you... |
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| 22:50.41 | Tortel | has anyone in etch noticed that apt has been extremely slow and CPU heavy? |
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| 22:51.00 | lokm | hey can anyone help me with caching of my ram? |
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| 22:51.51 | centrx | lokm, just ask your question, if someone can help you they will (may) |
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| 22:53.53 | lokm | well then i write cat /proc/meminfo it uses much of my ram for some "caching".... It is dedicated server so my ram is pretty limited... does anyone know how to reduce? |
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| 22:54.12 | azeem | lokm: it's not duplicated |
| 22:54.30 | lokm | what does it mean? |
| 22:55.03 | azeem | lokm: you can assume that Linux knows better than you how to handle the available resources |
| 22:55.11 | azeem | unless you are a very advanced user |
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| 22:55.13 | dowxp | leave memory stuff to the mmu :) |
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| 22:58.40 | _tcc | bucky, I see no winetools. |
| 22:59.00 | bucky | _tcc, then set up your fake windows partition with winecfg and then set up IE6 with http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ by not overwriting the fake partition |
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| 22:59.22 | bucky | _tcc, it's all on the wine website |
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| 22:59.49 | bilis | hello! i am having some trouble compiling my kernel! it gives a KERNEL Panic:VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 23:00.07 | _tcc | bucky, IE? |
| 23:00.09 | XoR_ | mkinitrd :) |
| 23:00.13 | _tcc | Why I just want winetools. |
| 23:00.19 | streuner | bilis: /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:00.22 | nvz_ | bilis: did you configure initrd? |
| 23:00.26 | _tcc | It says to look into my rep which I am looking for. |
| 23:00.27 | bucky | ok do whatever you want _tcc |
| 23:00.29 | Nigromante | are you using make-kpkg bilis ? |
| 23:00.39 | bilis | Nigromante yes |
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| 23:00.48 | Nigromante | use --initrd option |
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| 23:00.54 | _tcc | bucky, I am asking where the winetools repository is. |
| 23:00.55 | bilis | nvz_ what do you mean? the mkinitrd -o .....? |
| 23:01.04 | nvz_ | or better yet leave out initrd all together |
| 23:01.08 | Nigromante | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.36 | bilis | ok. let me see if i got it. "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image?? |
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| 23:03.09 | Nigromante | yep |
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| 23:03.16 | bilis | ok. here I go again! :0 |
| 23:03.21 | Nigromante | i had your problem too... |
| 23:03.27 | nvz_ | bilis: --rootcmd=fakeroot |
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| 23:03.48 | nvz_ | bilis: you could just remove initrd from your kernel config completely |
| 23:03.54 | twb | What provides dh_make(1)? It doesn't appear to be installed on this machine :-( |
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| 23:04.13 | azeem | twb: dh-make, I think |
| 23:04.27 | nvz_ | !find dh-make$ |
| 23:04.31 | nvz_ | debhelper |
| 23:04.31 | bilis | nvz_ how? what do you mean? sorry I am not following. |
| 23:04.34 | Nigromante | nvz_, with make menuconfig ? |
| 23:04.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dh-make' (1): (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/dh-make) in devel/dh-make. |
| 23:04.39 | twb | azeem: doh. How stupid of me. Thank you. |
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| 23:04.46 | nvz_ | bilis: you build kernels without configuring them? |
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| 23:05.01 | Nigromante | haven't tried it |
| 23:05.02 | bilis | nvz_ I do config. |
| 23:05.14 | mlots | How do I list the total size of all files with a certain extention (recursing subdirectories)? |
| 23:05.19 | nvz_ | bilis: then leave initrd out of it |
| 23:05.27 | Nigromante | where is that option nvz_ ? |
| 23:05.42 | bilis | nvz_ ok. what does it anyway? |
| 23:05.42 | nvz_ | Nigromante: its a sub option of ram disk support |
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| 23:05.48 | twb | mlots: find . -type f -name \*.ext -exec ls -ld {} \; |
| 23:05.56 | Nigromante | mmm... thanks |
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| 23:06.02 | azeem | total size |
| 23:06.04 | twb | mlots: oh, the *total* size. That's harder. |
| 23:06.08 | mlots | twb: doesn't that just get each indevidual.. yeah |
| 23:06.27 | nvz_ | bilis: initrd is the initial ramdisk its for preloading essential modules to mount the rootfs.. i.e. drive controller and FS drivers.. this isnt needed if the support for these is built _IN_ not as a module. |
| 23:06.42 | mlots | I guess awk... although the syntax isn't obvious to me. |
| 23:06.44 | twb | I'd do that, then pick out the field with awk, then use dc to add up all the lines. |
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| 23:07.17 | Nigromante | and if you need modules then need initrd image, correct? |
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| 23:08.11 | nvz_ | Nigromante: only if your root device/fs drivers are modules.. reasons for that would be say a bootcd that may spport different fs/controllers or say you have root on an external device thats not nativly supported by the BIOS |
| 23:08.14 | twb | mlots: (echo 0; ls -ld * | awk -F ' ' '{ print $5"+"; }'; echo f) | dc |
| 23:08.32 | twb | mlots: (echo 0; find -name \*.ext -exec ls -ld {} \; | awk -F ' ' '{ print $5"+"; }'; echo f) | dc |
| 23:08.45 | tyranix | bilis: When you configured it, did you start off with Debian's version or from a new config? IMHO this is easiest: cp /boot/config-2.6.15-1-k7 /usr/src/linux/.config ; make menuconfig # make changes ; then do make-kpkg with --initrd. That way you only tweak what needs to change. Unless you're one of those people that freaks out over a little wasted RAM. :) |
| 23:08.46 | grew | i have a usb smartmedia card reader that if i plug in without a card in it linux only finds /dev/sda and i can not insert a disk and mount it. Is there any way to 'rescan' the bus after its been plugged in? |
| 23:09.01 | tyranix | assuming you're using debian's version of the kernel |
| 23:09.15 | Nigromante | nvz_, then, usually you could go without initrd? |
| 23:09.15 | beered | whats the best way to minitor localhost interface trafic in a terminal? |
| 23:09.20 | bilis | tyranix not at all :) I did that. |
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| 23:10.40 | phemur | how can I change my what my $PATH initializes to? I tried editing /etc/profile, but the changes I made don't seem to do anything\ |
| 23:10.41 | Gnea | grew: you have to unplug it, insert your card(s) then plug it back in and wait for the scan to scan everything - you can't take cards in and out while it's plugged into the usb port |
| 23:10.47 | grew | Gnea: that sucks |
| 23:10.48 | grew | how lame |
| 23:10.56 | Gnea | life's a bitch |
| 23:11.07 | grew | oh well thanks |
| 23:11.50 | mlots | thanks twb. |
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| 23:12.22 | bilis | nvz_ found it and removed it. on my way to compile it. thanks. |
| 23:13.17 | nima | so is hurd ever going to quit sucking? |
| 23:13.23 | grew | nima: no |
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| 23:14.09 | phemur | is it even possible to change my default $PATH? |
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| 23:15.48 | tyranix | phemur: Of course. Look at the end of 'man bash' under FILES. That tells you what files to change. |
| 23:16.28 | Nigromante | .bash_profile, I think |
| 23:16.30 | phemur | tyranix: thanks. I'll check it out |
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| 23:17.36 | tyranix | Nigromante: Depends on if phemur wants system wide changes and if it's for an interactive or login shell. |
| 23:17.54 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 23:18.55 | bilis | nvz_ same problem. it might me something else them. |
| 23:19.47 | Nigromante | hangs on? |
| 23:20.05 | Nigromante | you already compiled with that new kernel config? |
| 23:20.11 | bilis | ya. kernel panic |
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| 23:20.30 | nvz | bilis: you have to have support for your root fs and drive controller compiled in <*> |
| 23:20.33 | bilis | Nigromante yes. this time it was very quick. dont no why! less than 10 min. |
| 23:20.47 | nvz | bilis: probably because you didnt clean the source |
| 23:20.58 | Nigromante | call mrproper |
| 23:21.34 | bilis | nvz ok. |
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| 23:23.19 | vieira2-away | it seems that for a mere 60 thousand dollars I can have my own "linux-ready-but-shipped-with-expensive-openvms" alpha server! |
| 23:23.21 | bilis | the drive controller is the "ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support" option right? |
| 23:23.47 | sparr_ | i have a problem with the latest nvidia drivers. one google hit in german says that this is a problem with debian (i used module-assistant to compile nvidia-kernel-source) and that the nvidia installer still works. any insight? (EE) /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so is an unrecognized module type |
| 23:23.48 | tyranix | nima: From what I remember (quite a while ago), Hurd people wanted to move to L4. That hasn't had a release yet though: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd-l4.html |
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| 23:25.02 | SerajewelKS | bilis: why exactly do you need to compile your own kernel |
| 23:26.08 | bilis | SerajewelKS to know how to. I am buying a laptop and I will need to build it to make things work. according to reviews of people who bought it. |
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| 23:27.11 | d03boy | hi people. I run fluxbox and when I open up bash, the stupid bell always rings when I backspace too far. How can I turn this off? |
| 23:27.24 | bucky | Irene Wust posted a time 2 seconds ahead of german medalist Pechstein |
| 23:27.26 | vieira2-away | bilis: have you considered buying a laptop that doesn't require a custom kernel? |
| 23:27.45 | Arfim | Hi, does anybody know good docu about Debian + new 2.6 kernel + udev + LVM? How to get it booting well. |
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| 23:27.57 | bbrazil | d03boy: man bash might tell you, else use screen and C-a G |
| 23:28.00 | useruser | d03boy: use control-u |
| 23:28.09 | SerajewelKS | !bell |
| 23:28.09 | dpkg | [bell] "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 23:28.12 | SerajewelKS | d03boy: ^^^ |
| 23:28.12 | Gnea | !lvm_tutorial |
| 23:28.12 | dpkg | from memory, lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 23:28.25 | vieira2-away | Arfim: to boot or to install it? |
| 23:28.33 | d03boy | i've tried some of those things, i'll try the rest |
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| 23:29.19 | d03boy | xset b off seemed to work |
| 23:29.26 | Arfim | vieira2-away: my problem is that I've compiled 2.6.15.4 kernel and now I play since some hours about getting working initrd. Sometime my initrd works and sometimes not. I've built it with yaird. |
| 23:29.41 | Arfim | So possibly both - how to compile/install and boot. |
| 23:30.58 | Nigromante | you could use initramfs |
| 23:31.15 | vieira2-away | Arfim: oh.. I guess I can't help you here. |
| 23:31.28 | Arfim | vieira2-away: thanks in anyway |
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| 23:32.35 | Arfim | Nigromante: what is the problem: when I create initrd with mkinitrd it reports that there is no ext3 filesystem on dm-1. Original kernel with original initrd works as expected. LVM and md are compiled as modules. |
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| 23:34.07 | Nigromante | i have compiled 2.6.15.4 with mkinitramfs |
| 23:34.22 | Arfim | Did you use LVM? |
| 23:34.34 | Nigromante | mmm not sure :-/ |
| 23:35.38 | Arfim | On systems without LVM everything works as expected :-) |
| 23:35.45 | ambrose | So, I just plugged in my usb memory stick, and dmesg | tail tells me there's a "new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7 (ub(1.7), uba: uba1, but I don't have a /dev/uba1. |
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| 23:35.56 | Arfim | But when you begin to use LVM or DM the horror begins :-) |
| 23:36.03 | ambrose | How can I mount the usbdisk? Where do I look for help? |
| 23:36.06 | Nigromante | ... |
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| 23:36.20 | Nigromante | ambrose do you use gnome? |
| 23:36.28 | ambrose | Nigromante, no, I use kde |
| 23:36.31 | Nigromante | ah |
| 23:36.37 | SerajewelKS | ambrose: don't USB mass storage devices typically get a /dev/sd? node? |
| 23:36.55 | ambrose | SerajewelKS, that's what I used to mount when I plugged in the memory stick |
| 23:36.57 | Nigromante | anyway, ambrose, try: man pmount |
| 23:37.21 | SerajewelKS | ambrose: check 'fdisk -l' ? |
| 23:37.24 | ambrose | I guess I can try sda... I used to use dmsg to find out which sda partition but now dmesg says it's uba |
| 23:37.43 | ambrose | what's pmount? |
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| 23:37.57 | Nigromante | a mounter for regular users |
| 23:38.10 | ambrose | to do the fdisk -l I'd have to know what device to aim it at |
| 23:38.25 | Nigromante | try usbview |
| 23:38.34 | Nigromante | (oh, that's for gnome) |
| 23:38.49 | fango | i am in the middle of a netinstall of the latest sarge, and no matter what apt-sources i put in, the displayed ip address resolution in apt-get is 1.0.0.0 (an example line that is displayed is "0%[Connecting to debian.csail.mit.edu:80(1.0.0.0)]" |
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| 23:39.06 | ambrose | Oops, sda1 is my /boot partition |
| 23:39.12 | ambrose | I have a sata hard disk |
| 23:39.13 | fango | but when i ping that address, it resolves correctly and shows normal traffic |
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| 23:39.41 | ambrose | installing usbview |
| 23:39.47 | dn4 | If you are a Debian user, then good for you! You can download debs from: |
| 23:39.50 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no, fdisk -l will check every device |
| 23:39.54 | SerajewelKS | ambrose* |
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| 23:40.28 | ambrose | SerajewelKS, fdisk -l only finds the hard disk partitions, but thanks |
| 23:40.29 | SerajewelKS | fango: sounds like borked DNS servers |
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| 23:41.00 | Shnifti | hi @ll |
| 23:41.01 | fango | i'd say so as well, except for that it resolves correctly when i use ping |
| 23:41.10 | fango | it's only borked when i use apt-get |
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| 23:42.04 | SerajewelKS | ambrose: you could also try |
| 23:42.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: : fdisk -l /dev/sd? |
| 23:42.18 | SerajewelKS | damn this #$%& mac keyboard |
| 23:42.23 | ambrose | Nigromante, usbview sees the device, but what item in /dev/ will find it for mounting? |
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| 23:42.57 | dn4 | !madwifi |
| 23:42.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, madwifi is at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or #madwifi, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
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| 23:43.27 | SerajewelKS | fango: how about 'dig'? |
| 23:43.34 | fango | dig? |
| 23:43.34 | SerajewelKS | !tell dn4 about msg the bot |
| 23:43.41 | SerajewelKS | fango: dig foobar.com |
| 23:43.44 | ambrose | SerajewelKS, re: fdisk -l /dev/sd, no output at all |
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| 23:43.49 | fango | k, checking |
| 23:44.02 | SerajewelKS | ambrose: you mean 'fdisk -l /dev/sd?' ? |
| 23:44.04 | ambrose | should I configure udev and/or hotplug or something? |
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| 23:44.19 | ke6isf | fango: Stick your /etc/resolv.conf on a pastebin somewhere. |
| 23:44.21 | ambrose | SerajewelKS, aha... sec |
| 23:44.26 | SerajewelKS | ambrose: that '?' is important ;) |
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| 23:44.47 | dn4 | what is a good irc program to run in under tty1? |
| 23:44.48 | fango | SerajewelKS dont have dig yet. this is in the middle of a netinstall |
| 23:44.51 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: If he's having trouble with netinst, he won't be able to use dig. It's in an optional package. |
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| 23:44.58 | ke6isf | dn4: irssi or ircii. |
| 23:44.59 | dn4 | I do not want to use GUI any more |
| 23:44.59 | SerajewelKS | fango: hmm... |
| 23:44.59 | Shnifti | during i configured my kernel 2.6.15.4 is saw that ntfs write support is available...is this full functionally? |
| 23:45.01 | ambrose | SerajewelKS, the output is only for sda, the hard disk |
| 23:45.03 | ke6isf | dn4: Or bitchx. |
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| 23:45.18 | ambrose | well, I'd better to deal with the kettle - it's boiling |
| 23:45.20 | ambrose | back in a bit |
| 23:45.20 | dn4 | ke6isf, thank you |
| 23:45.29 | SerajewelKS | ambrose: doesn't sound like it's attaching the device anywhere then |
| 23:45.49 | SerajewelKS | dn4: irssi > bitchx |
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| 23:47.06 | dn4 | is irssi > ircii ? |
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| 23:47.23 | ke6isf | dn4: Well, that's what SerajewelKS says. I don't know, since I don't use CLI IRC clients. |
| 23:47.26 | SerajewelKS | dn4: imo yes |
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| 23:47.43 | Shnifti | dn4: imho irssi is different |
| 23:47.43 | fango | SerajewelKS wierd. when i ping http.us.debian.org, it resolves to 216.37.55.114, but when i do apt-get update, apt-get resolves it to 35.9.37.225 |
| 23:47.55 | dn4 | 'irs'si |
| 23:47.58 | centrx | fango, it is a mirror round-robin i believe |
| 23:47.59 | dn4 | ok thank you |
| 23:48.00 | Scott16 | hello! |
| 23:48.07 | SerajewelKS | fango: because http.us.debian.org is round-robin dns |
| 23:48.17 | ke6isf | fango: There are five A records for http.us.debian.org. |
| 23:48.18 | Arfim | fango: http.us.debian.orgA35.9.37.225 |
| 23:48.18 | Arfim | http.us.debian.orgA64.50.238.52 |
| 23:48.18 | Arfim | http.us.debian.orgA128.101.80.133 |
| 23:48.18 | Arfim | http.us.debian.orgA204.152.191.7 |
| 23:48.18 | Arfim | http.us.debian.orgA216.37.55.114 |
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| 23:48.45 | sparr | where does the file /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so come from, on a debian system? |
| 23:48.46 | ke6isf | !tell Arfim -about flood |
| 23:48.55 | Arfim | hey :-). sorry |
| 23:49.04 | ke6isf | Arfim: Just don't do it again. |
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| 23:49.14 | ambrose | Ok... so how do I "attach the device"? What software would do that? |
| 23:49.34 | Arfim | I did say "sorry" |
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| 23:49.36 | Nigromante | ambrose, try the "udevinfo -e | more" command |
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| 23:50.26 | ke6isf | Arfim: Yes, and I said just don't do it again. Now let's let it pass, shall we? |
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| 23:51.09 | fango | i'm using the amd64 distro, btw |
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| 23:51.40 | ambrose | Nigromante, ok, udevinfo -e gives a bunch of output - not sure if any of it is related to the usbdisk |
| 23:51.45 | ambrose | Nothing jumps out |
| 23:52.01 | zinx | fango: http.us.debian.org resolves to more than one thing |
| 23:52.04 | Nigromante | is it connected? |
| 23:52.11 | zinx | fango: 5 things, in fact. |
| 23:52.13 | Laibsch | How do I add a ttf font to X? I tried to do that but xlsfonts still does not show it. |
| 23:52.20 | ambrose | There are several /class/usb_device/usbdev1.1 that might or might not be the memory stick. Yes, it is connected at the moment Nigromante |
| 23:52.33 | SerajewelKS | zinx: hey, i think noapic did the trick... still running chrony though, just in case |
| 23:52.49 | zinx | SerajewelKS: nice |
| 23:52.49 | Nigromante | look for those entries with hd* sd* |
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| 23:54.17 | ambrose | Nigromante, cd drive and hard drive. No others. I will read the udev man page and see if I can get anywhere - if I have questions I will ask. Thanks! |
| 23:54.23 | _sc4r | #ircbeltrao |
| 23:54.25 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 23:55.53 | lebifteksauvage | bonne nuit ;) |
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| 23:56.17 | britt_ | Áª |
| 23:56.36 | SerajewelKS | britt_: do you have a question? |
| 23:56.52 | britt_ | I have cyrus-imapd enabled on my machine, I can READ mail but not send mail via SMTP |
| 23:57.11 | britt_ | I enabled the process in inetd.conf, but i still cant send mail |
| 23:57.12 | SerajewelKS | britt_: what SMTP server are you running? |
| 23:57.19 | britt_ | exim4 |
| 23:57.25 | SerajewelKS | britt_: and what error message is returned to the client |
| 23:57.50 | Shnifti | during i configured my kernel 2.6.15.4 is saw that ntfs write support is available...is is really possible to write ntfs now without any problems? |
| 23:57.59 | ambrose | It seems I'm not running udevd... |
| 23:58.00 | britt_ | cannot access server on one machine(porcket PC) and invalid user/server on my mac |
| 23:58.00 | markybob | Shnifti, without problems? no. |
| 23:58.05 | Tortel | has anyone in etch noticed that apt has been extremely slow and CPU heavy? |
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| 23:59.31 | markybob | britt, have you ever set up an smtp server before? |
