irclog2html for #debian on 20060101

`00:00.16`	`thingfish`	`does sarge even use its udev? I mean it's there, but I can't tell that it's doing anything.`
`00:00.21`	`blondie`	`beep`
`00:00.31`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: it can`
`00:00.37`	`blondie`	`wow, it's 2006`
`00:00.40`	`solomonn`	`udev, idev, we all dev for udev`
`00:00.51`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: her ?`
`00:00.55`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:00.56`	`peterS`	`Happy 2006 UTC, everybody`
`00:00.58`	`blondie`	`his`
`00:01.07`	`blondie`	`no`
`00:01.10`	`thingfish`	`nope, a male! yay!`
`00:01.15`	`bsims`	`benjamindees: hrm could work but never mind was just a random thought`
`00:01.16`	`abrotman`	`maybe it was mwilson that was a her`
`00:01.19`	`solomonn`	`i guess thingfish is a girl`
`00:01.20`	`thingfish`	`eww`
`00:01.23`	`thingfish`	`nope`
`00:01.27`	`sdakota`	`Happy newyear everyone!`
`00:01.31`	`peterS`	`"eww"? so thingfish is like 11`
`00:01.32`	`thingfish`	`male, male, male, and gay, gay, gay.`
`00:01.37`	`asuffield`	`a guy called 'blondie' is obviously gay`
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`00:01.52`	`thingfish`	`gays for Debian!`
`00:01.54`	`peterS`	`a guy called 'blondie' might just be a fan of old heavy metal`
`00:02.02`	`asuffield`	`peterS: is there a difference?`
`00:02.04`	`sifi-x`	`!gay`
`00:02.05`	`dpkg`	`It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.`
`00:02.07`	`peterS`	`hmmmm`
`00:02.07`	`abrotman`	`blondie was not heavy metal`
`00:02.19`	`blondie`	`oh, cool:`
`00:02.20`	`thingfish`	`sifi-x: that's fine, except when the person talking is gay.`
`00:02.25`	`sdakota`	`Gays for Debian! Debian for gays! ^_^`
`00:02.38`	`sifi-x`	`thingfish, that would be you`
`00:02.40`	`thingfish`	`plus sifi-x, you cannot devoice anyone.`
`00:02.41`	`blondie`	`Sat Dec 31 23:59:58 GMT 2005`
`00:02.47`	`blondie`	`Sat Dec 31 23:59:59 GMT 2005`
`00:02.47`	`blondie`	`Sun Jan 1 00:00:00 GMT 2006`
`00:02.48`	`thingfish`	`sifi-x: well duh.`
`00:02.49`	`blondie`	`o.O`
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`00:02.55`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`00:02.56`	`blondie`	`arse`
`00:02.57`	`bsims`	`leap second duh`
`00:02.58`	`peterS`	`Debian GAY/Linux`
`00:02.59`	`thingfish`	`spanky spanky`
`00:03.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 667] by debhelper`
`00:03.07`	`sdakota`	`lol`
`00:03.13`	`sdakota`	`Is anyone here an op?`
`00:03.18`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: why ?`
`00:03.22`	`sdakota`	`could someone change the topic into what peterS said? ^_^`
`00:03.29`	`sdakota`	`Debian GAY/Linux`
`00:03.30`	`thingfish`	`oh you`
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`00:03.42`	`bsims`	`!lart sdakota`
`00:03.43`	`programm`	`oO Gay / Linux`
`00:03.48`	`blondie`	`bsims: yes dear`
`00:03.53`	`blondie`	`gay linux :D`
`00:03.56`	`thingfish`	`<sigh>`
`00:03.58`	`abrotman`	`enough ?`
`00:04.01`	`GregorR-L`	`What's with the GNU-bashing?`
`00:04.02`	`thingfish`	`amen`
`00:04.06`	`blondie`	`gay is good though :p`
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`00:04.09`	`sdakota`	`!hit bsims`
`00:04.13`	`sdakota`	`!kick bsims`
`00:04.14`	`bsims`	`abrotman: It's the birth of a meme`
`00:04.22`	`sdakota`	`!bitch bsims`
`00:04.24`	`sdakota`	`!kill bsims`
`00:04.30`	`sdakota`	`!hit bsims`
`00:04.32`	`abrotman`	`stop`
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`00:04.33`	`sdakota`	`!kick bsims`
`00:04.36`	`sdakota`	`sorry`
`00:04.36`	`dvs`	`Happy New Year?`
`00:04.37`	`Hobart`	`Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC`
`00:04.38`	`thingfish`	`silly, you need an axe to chop a head off.`
`00:04.39`	`GregorR-L`	`How do you chop a head off with a pipe?`
`00:04.40`	`peterS`	`well, we already had www.lesbian.mine.nu`
`00:04.43`	`sdakota`	`i just wanted to hit him back (A)`
`00:04.45`	`Hobart`	`Oh wait, Debian doesn't have that.`
`00:04.49`	`abrotman`	`GregorR-L: swing very fast :)`
`00:04.54`	`GregorR-L`	`lol`
`00:04.57`	`bsims`	`GregorR-L: you have to swing damned hard`
`00:05.05`	`ambroseL`	`can we stop the violence please?`
`00:05.10`	`bsims`	`ambroseL: sure`
`00:05.12`	`bsims`	`sorry`
`00:05.13`	`sdakota`	`!kick ambroseL`
`00:05.18`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: stop`
`00:05.19`	`sdakota`	`(A)`
`00:05.20`	`thingfish`	`we eschew violence in this channel. we're all civilized homo sapiens, in here.`
`00:05.24`	`sdakota`	`ok...`
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`00:05.34`	`dvs`	`ambrose: Yeah! it's the English new year, not American!`
`00:05.37`	`bsims`	`thingfish: yeah we use tools to do our violence`
`00:05.41`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:05.45`	`ambroseL`	`dvs, lol`
`00:05.46`	`jonas3`	`new year in .uk now`
`00:05.47`	`jonas3`	`haha`
`00:05.48`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, the current kind of human likes to call himself homo sapiens sapiens instead of just one sapiens, i heard.`
`00:05.49`	`ambroseL`	`:-)`
`00:06.35`	`bsims`	`sdakota: Speak for yourself I style myself homo sapiens veritas aka Truely wise man`
`00:06.39`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: don't step in the data stream!`
`00:06.49`	`peterS`	`abrotman: some thingfish, of course`
`00:06.56`	`thingfish`	`I'm so sick of frying chickens. there has got to be something else to do with a chicken, besides frying it.`
`00:06.57`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`00:07.06`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: m80s ?`
`00:07.10`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:07.16`	`bsims`	`thingfish: bad idea to try to input something in a output`
`00:07.18`	`thingfish`	`but I need something edible to be left over.`
`00:07.24`	`ambroseL`	`chicken: chicken soup`
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`00:07.28`	`thingfish`	`nope`
`00:07.30`	`bsims`	`stirfry`
`00:07.32`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: you can bake chicken .. deep fry .. cut up and use in sauces`
`00:07.33`	`thingfish`	`too liquidy.`
`00:07.33`	`peterS`	`bsims: interesting euphemism there`
`00:07.39`	`bsims`	`peterS: thanks`
`00:07.43`	`thingfish`	`i want something chinese to do with it.`
`00:07.56`	`jbroome`	`have it give you the flu?`
`00:07.59`	`abrotman`	`bread it .. deep fry it .. make S&S chicken`
`00:08.00`	`thingfish`	`or maybe thai...curry + basil, yes, maybe that's the ticket...`
`00:08.08`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, hack its head off with a chinese samurai trick.`
`00:08.11`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:08.19`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, or cut it off ...`
`00:08.33`	`thingfish`	`it ain't got no head, you fool.`
`00:08.34`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, darn dutch to english translations sometimes come out strange after you pressed enter.`
`00:08.46`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: just cut the damn stuff up .. mix it with some sauce/spice .. serve with rice :)`
`00:08.47`	`bsims`	`cut into strips, saute with peppers and onions, add worchestershire sauce and soy sauce and a pinch of hot pepper..`
`00:08.56`	`thingfish`	`oh yes, that's right, you're dutch, not from south dakota.`
`00:09.06`	`sdakota`	`thingfish: Ofcourse a chicken has a head! But in the stupid ... ah, wherever you live - they don't have any chicken!`
`00:09.07`	`thingfish`	`ooh yes, bsims.`
`00:09.18`	`abrotman`	`damni t .. i said that!`
`00:09.24`	`bsims`	`hrm maybe some garlic`
`00:09.35`	`bsims`	`abrotman: sorry you hit enter right before me`
`00:09.39`	`thingfish`	`ALWAYS some garlic.`
`00:10.12`	`thingfish`	`garlic enables me to live my heavily decadent and self-destructive lifestyle.`
`00:10.20`	`dvs`	`decadent?`
`00:10.27`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, you never see real chicken! Ofcourse they have heads! And ofcourse you can cut those off with a samurai trick! They will keep walking though. For a few seconds. Try it out... chickens keep walking for a few seconds when you cut their heads off.`
`00:10.33`	`thingfish`	`tsk bsims. there are so many more out there.`
`00:10.37`	`bsims`	`dvs: think roman emperor`
`00:10.42`	`abrotman`	`bsims: there are other similar`
`00:10.43`	`dvs`	`oh, I see`
`00:10.47`	`abrotman`	`others`
`00:10.53`	`bsims`	`what other styles are simular`
`00:10.59`	`thingfish`	`sdakota: I've heard that, but I find it not appealing to think about at the present moment.`
`00:11.08`	`sdakota`	`LOL`
`00:11.12`	`SimonRaven`	`kernel: Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC`
`00:11.27`	`benjamindees`	`bsims, excellent choice`
`00:11.28`	`blondie`	`oh!`
`00:11.30`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, with blood coming out of the neck...`
`00:11.32`	`thingfish`	`because really, I wish I were a vegetarian. I don't want to hurt animals.`
`00:11.38`	`dvs`	`How the heck does the kernel know what years to insert a leap second?`
`00:11.53`	`benjamindees`	`bsims, cabernet/merlot blend is similar`
`00:11.59`	`SimonRaven`	`some file i suppose`
`00:12.03`	`thingfish`	`dvs: the programmers. they put it in there. with their magix.`
`00:12.08`	`bsims`	`benjamindees: but for some reason I don't like it`
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`00:12.18`	`thingfish`	`bourbon, boy, learn to spell it right.`
`00:12.20`	`dvs`	`thingfish: They must be very smart! ;-)`
`00:12.27`	`SimonRaven`	`hehe`
`00:12.32`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:12.34`	`bsims`	`thingfish: after all I drank I am lucky to type thank you very much`
`00:12.41`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:12.42`	`dvs`	`What's so funny?`
`00:12.43`	`dvs`	`;-)`
`00:12.46`	`peterS`	`dvs: I wondered the same thing. looking at the source code, it appears that an agent like ntpd tips it off`
`00:12.47`	`abrotman`	`bsims: you like shiraz .. but not cabernet ?`
`00:12.53`	`bsims`	`abrotman: yeah go figure`
`00:12.54`	`thingfish`	`I know!`
`00:13.09`	`thingfish`	`what about merlot? I mean everybody likes a soft merlot.`
`00:13.15`	`abrotman`	`bsims: maybe it's just the ones you've tried`
`00:13.24`	`bsims`	`abrotman: that is likely`
`00:13.35`	`thingfish`	`you have to spend money to get good wine, unless it comes from bulgaria or romania.`
`00:13.50`	`peterS`	`tjcoder: dude those aren't numbers`
`00:13.50`	`bsims`	`however I like my flavors to reach out and smack me... I drink islay scotch for example`
`00:13.59`	`abrotman`	`bsims: try more cabernets and merlots .. it could be regional flavors .. ie .. you like australian merlot .. but not californian`
`00:14.04`	`thingfish`	`ooh yummy, islay scotch. $$$`
`00:14.23`	`thingfish`	`I'd drink nothing but small batch bourbon, if I could afford it.`
`00:14.30`	`tjcoder`	`peterS, sure they are.... well, that's all the hard drive knows about them anyways lol`
`00:14.33`	`bsims`	`thingfish: I can pick up a bottle of Laphroiag 10yr for about $45USD here`
`00:14.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`sdakota: it was changed 14:35 ago.`
`00:14.38`	`thingfish`	`sweet`
`00:14.48`	`sdakota`	`dondelelcaro, yea, that's what I meant.`
`00:15.00`	`thingfish`	`I've had it; Laphroaig is heavenly.`
`00:15.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`(and techincally, not changed... an extra second was inserted into 2005 UTC.)`
`00:15.07`	`bsims`	`thingfish: small batch bourbon like Maker's Mark runs about $22...`
`00:15.19`	`bsims`	`thingfish: ever have Bowmore's?`
`00:15.21`	`thingfish`	`but I really prefer american bourbons, being from the USA.`
`00:15.26`	`sdakota`	`For UTC+1 and later, 2006 is one second longer; UTC and before, 2005 is one second longer.`
`00:15.38`	`SimonRaven`	`for reference, Dec 31 23:59:59 was the time i got that message.`
`00:15.38`	`thingfish`	`bsims: yes, at a tasting once, but it didn't stand out iirc.`
`00:15.43`	`bsims`	`Bowmore is a saltier islay`
`00:15.49`	`SimonRaven`	`the machine runs on UTC, so`
`00:15.56`	`kneecaps`	`SimonRaven: I got two 23:59:59's too`
`00:15.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/leapsec.html details it if anyone cares...`
`00:16.02`	`kneecaps`	`SimonRaven: i expected at 60 :D`
`00:16.05`	`sdakota`	`I do`
`00:16.09`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:16.29`	`thingfish`	`if it's got alcohol in it, it can't be all bad. :)`
`00:16.58`	`dvs`	`dondelelcaro: Oh? So basically the leap second happened 16 mins ago?`
`00:17.28`	`sdakota`	`dvs: 17.`
`00:17.32`	`thingfish`	`bah, don't you go believing in all this "extra second" crap. It's against the Bible.`
`00:17.37`	`laurens_`	`greetings everyone`
`00:17.47`	`benjamindees`	`heh`
`00:17.48`	`jonas3`	`sdakota.. You live in s.dakota ?`
`00:17.49`	`sdakota`	`so for one second it was neither 0:00 nor 1:00 ^_^`
`00:17.55`	`sdakota`	`jonas3: Nope ;)`
`00:18.00`	`sdakota`	`jonas3, I'm a real dutchie.`
`00:18.03`	`bsims`	`I weigh 175lbs and one of those means that I can't drive legaly for three hours`
`00:18.05`	`thingfish`	`ooh yummy, bsims`
`00:18.07`	`jonas3`	`Amsterdam?`
`00:18.09`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:18.10`	`jonas3`	`Im .se`
`00:18.14`	`blondie`	`sdakota: you mean 23:59 nor 00:00`
`00:18.25`	`ambroseL`	`thingfish, you're just saying it's agains the Bible because leap seconds are an evolution of the original calendar`
`00:18.32`	`bsims`	`thingfish: it is yummy, it tastes like pineapple/orange juice with an iced tea aftertaste`
`00:18.33`	`thingfish`	`ooh, if I'm in amsterdam, I know to which "bars" I'm headed.`
`00:18.33`	`sdakota`	`jonas3: Nah, south of the country. Amsterdam is north.`
`00:18.35`	`jonas3`	`Yeah, why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly.. Im going to Amsterdam in 3 weeks =) !!`
`00:18.45`	`peterS`	`dondelelcaro: fascinating stuff. I didn't know there was an "International Earth Rotation Service". I wonder what happens if they ever go on strike`
`00:18.46`	`dvs`	`Dec 31 18:59:59 taz kernel: Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC`
`00:18.48`	`dvs`	`Yay!`
`00:18.50`	`thingfish`	`bsims: sounds like it'll fuck you up.`
`00:18.57`	`jonas3`	`Om going to Amsterdam and The Hauge`
`00:19.00`	`SimonRaven`	`dondelelcaro: i do! i do! ;)`
`00:19.01`	`jonas3`	`Im`
`00:19.02`	`sdakota`	`blondie: Ehh yea, that's what I meant. Was thinking about it was nor 23h nor 0h and thought about the dutch times, they were from 0h to 1h.`
`00:19.15`	`sdakota`	`blondie: in the netherlands its 01:19 right now`
`00:19.20`	`jonas3`	`Same in .se`
`00:19.26`	`thingfish`	`I'm going to go rob an amsterdam coffee house and stay there and smoke up all their buds.`
`00:19.38`	`jonas3`	`hehe.. Dutch Passion weed`
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`00:19.47`	`bsims`	`thingfish: yeah you only want one of those`
`00:19.52`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:19.59`	`sdakota`	`jonas3: Lol, you're gonna try that out? ;)`
`00:20.11`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, Do so ;)`
`00:20.17`	`jonas3`	`Amsterdam is lovly, specially during spring... april, may...`
`00:20.28`	`bsims`	`What the hell is the LD50 for THC?`
`00:20.38`	`thingfish`	`jonas3: I'm sure. But then, where is it not lovely in the springtime?`
`00:20.49`	`jonas3`	`sdakota: hehe you never know`
`00:21.13`	`thingfish`	`you know what I like about europeans: they like house music more than americans.`
`00:21.19`	`jonas3`	`thingfish, many places. Specially Asia where is hell hot !`
`00:21.23`	`sdakota`	`My sis just told me she wanted to go play violin. And style dancing. From one to the other second, she just decided.`
`00:21.28`	`jonas3`	`during euro spring :-)`
`00:21.32`	`thingfish`	`plus they have governments without so many idiots.`
`00:21.43`	`peterS`	`sdakota: leap seconds have odd effects on some people`
`00:21.53`	`bsims`	`no theirs are just less vocal about their idiocy`
`00:22.03`	`thingfish`	`sdakota: sounds like she has just discovered raves and exctasy.`
`00:22.04`	`jonas3`	`I like, house, trance and euro techno`
`00:22.08`	`sdakota`	`peterS: Yea, that's what I said: "So you decided, in the leap second, ..."`
`00:22.13`	`sdakota`	`thingfish: Lol yeah`
`00:22.25`	`thingfish`	`I listen to progressive/underground.`
`00:22.32`	`jonas3`	`Holland has great clubs and rave parties`
`00:22.47`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, though she asked my parents, and they would've surely punished her when they only SMELL...`
`00:22.49`	`thingfish`	`hehe yay! for bsim's way of thinking.`
`00:23.08`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, I mean, she asked my parents to go on violin lessons and style dancing lessons.`
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`00:23.16`	`thingfish`	`wow`
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`00:23.25`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, She didn't ask them if she had smoked weed ^_^`
`00:23.33`	`sdakota`	`hmm`
`00:23.45`	`sdakota`	`other question - how to install the perl PAR tools, like pp and parl?`
`00:23.55`	`sdakota`	`on either windows or linux`
`00:24.07`	`bsims`	`thingfish: I did the math once, for about $4000 you can buy enough rope to hang the entire gov.us at once... Of course using a differnt rope for each one is the kind of thinking that got us in this mess to start with`
`00:24.50`	`benjamindees`	`all the bureaucrats too?`
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`00:25.58`	`bsims`	`benjamindees: top level ones`
`00:26.06`	`linuxgeekery`	`!seen benj`
`00:26.07`	`dpkg`	`benj <~burnproof@210.213.241.183> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 251d 4h 8m 32s ago, saying: 'has anyone from you know how to use sch_teql for me it doesnt' work as it should be :)'.`
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`00:26.31`	`sdakota`	`LOL`
`00:26.37`	`sdakota`	`!seen sdakota`
`00:26.38`	`dpkg`	`sdakota is currently on #debian (5h 32m 46s). Has said a total of 146 messages. Is idling for 0s`
`00:26.41`	`sdakota`	`lol`
`00:26.49`	`sdakota`	`I've said 150 messages`
`00:26.56`	`sdakota`	`!seen abrotman`
`00:26.56`	`dpkg`	`abrotman is currently on #debian (11h 35m 8s). Has said a total of 396 messages. Is idling for 12m 57s`
`00:27.02`	`sdakota`	`only 400 messages?`
`00:27.03`	`*** join/#debian Skrotto (n=magnus@ti132110a080-5984.bb.online.no)`
`00:27.03`	`sdakota`	`whow`
`00:27.09`	`sdakota`	`thought he'd done a lot more`
`00:27.11`	`dvs`	`sdakota: He's drunk!`
`00:27.14`	`abrotman`	`what?`
`00:27.14`	`sdakota`	`lol`
`00:27.23`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: it got reset`
`00:27.27`	`sdakota`	`lol`
`00:27.28`	`dvs`	`2 more!`
`00:27.31`	`sdakota`	`see, he's drunk`
`00:27.33`	`sdakota`	`!seen abrotman`
`00:27.34`	`dpkg`	`abrotman is currently on #debian (11h 35m 46s). Has said a total of 398 messages. Is idling for 10s`
`00:27.37`	`peterS`	`sdakota: if you really care, ask http://debstats.dontexist.org/`
`00:27.37`	`sdakota`	`lol`
`00:27.47`	`peterS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:27.49`	`peterS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:27.50`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: after the year is over ... check that URL .. it will have a year long total`
`00:27.52`	`peterS`	`ehhh.`
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`00:28.03`	`sdakota`	`LOL`
`00:28.04`	`peterS`	`abrotman: dude the year is over (:`
`00:28.06`	`sdakota`	`RANDOM QUOTE TODAY`
`00:28.07`	`sdakota`	`"EleckttrusS: what is your primary language?"`
`00:28.11`	`sdakota`	`by abrotman ;-D`
`00:28.33`	`abrotman`	`peterS: i think sussudio_ resets it around midnight EST`
`00:28.44`	`dvs`	`yay!`
`00:28.45`	`sdakota`	`22 FourierSeries10564029844512991251.55 days ago"hm. It prompts me to "Become root""`
`00:28.46`	`ke6isf`	`Hey, I'm on that site. =^^=`
`00:28.55`	`benjamindees`	`best quote I've seen today: "Government prepares for next big disaster" on Yahoo`
`00:29.02`	`sdakota`	`LOL`
`00:29.02`	`sdakota`	`25 [1]sdakota10286978399482946752.0today"peterS, abrotman, yea, it was a question for confirmation"`
`00:29.05`	`sdakota`	`me too`
`00:29.10`	`abrotman`	`huh ?`
`00:29.18`	`abrotman`	`i never get on that site`
`00:29.20`	*** join/#debian haze` (n=haze@p54ACCC08.dip.t-dialin.net)
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`00:29.41`	`sdakota`	`47 EdLin65419721296149641855.32 days ago"!tell aidehua -about ubuntu"`
`00:29.47`	`peterS`	`oh do you know the abrotman, the abrotman, etc.`
`00:29.53`	`blondie`	`sdakota: stopthatatonce`
`00:29.55`	`peterS`	`sdakota: we get the point`
`00:29.56`	`thingfish`	`benjamindees: the distaster has already happened. GB got re-elected.`
`00:30.01`	`sdakota`	`"PhoneGuy: you're fucked. Give up now."`
`00:30.04`	`abrotman`	`!sing peters`
`00:30.08`	`sdakota`	`sorry, i'll stop`
`00:30.09`	`sdakota`	`lol`
`00:30.12`	`abrotman`	`peterS: why don't you have a song ?`
`00:30.22`	`ke6isf`	`peterS: How does one add their userpic to the site?`
`00:30.25`	`EdLin`	`I'm not drunk. Unfortunately`
`00:30.26`	`peterS`	`abrotman: nobody ever sings a song for me. what can I say`
`00:30.32`	`thingfish`	`sdakota, are you on ubuntu, you bitch?`
`00:30.36`	`peterS`	`ke6isf: get sussudio_'s attention some time so he can think of something unflattering for you`
`00:30.42`	`dvs`	`peterS: Apparently dpkg doesn't either.`
`00:30.44`	`sdakota`	`~.~ I'm nnn..not dddrunk! Nnnott dddrunk! ~.~`
`00:30.47`	`abrotman`	`!sing resiak`
`00:30.47`	`dpkg`	`He's a resiak, resiak on the floor, And he's IRCing like he's never IRCed before.`
`00:30.49`	`peterS`	`ke6isf: you have no direct control, it's whatever he thinks is appropriate for you`
`00:30.50`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, no...`
`00:30.54`	`thingfish`	`ok`
`00:30.58`	`dvs`	`ahahahahahahahah`
`00:31.00`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, neither using ubuntu os nor being on #ubuntu`
`00:31.13`	`ke6isf`	`peterS: Ah, indeed <pics`
`00:31.28`	`thingfish`	`well I'm in #ubuntu just 'cause I'm looking for someone to flirt with.`
`00:31.45`	`thingfish`	`ooh, ELP`
`00:31.51`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: why? .. you like stupid people?`
`00:31.54`	`thingfish`	`excellent group`
`00:31.56`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:32.07`	`thingfish`	`yeah, I like 'em dumb...`
`00:32.08`	`*** join/#debian SIDEREAL-KNIGHT (n=SIDEREAL@aqua--csw2-3550.tgnet.cz)`
`00:32.26`	`sdakota`	`can I paste one mor time?...`
`00:32.26`	`ke6isf`	`thingfish: Ah, looking for converts from the I-wanna-be-Debian-too distro? =^_^=`
`00:32.30`	`sdakota`	`nah, i wont`
`00:32.34`	`thingfish`	`hehe ke6isf`
`00:32.39`	`sdakota`	`just that guerin and abrotman were both beaten 2 times`
`00:32.39`	`dvs`	`thingfish: Until they start asking questions`
`00:32.43`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`Hello everybody and I wish you happy new year`
`00:32.46`	`thingfish`	`hahaha dvs`
`00:32.47`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: you can paste, justot in here, please.`
`00:32.52`	`dvs`	`;-)`
`00:33.00`	`thingfish`	`yes, dvs, then you bring out the duct tape.`
`00:33.07`	`sdakota`	`blondie: blondie was tight-lipped, too, averaging 25.9 characters.`
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`00:33.14`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: oops.... s/justot/just not/`
`00:33.14`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: beaten at what`
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`00:33.16`	`abrotman`	`?`
`00:33.17`	`*** join/#debian slipstream-- (n=slipstre@ppp83-237-210-27.pppoe.mtu-net.ru)`
`00:33.20`	`blondie`	`o.O`
`00:33.38`	`peterS`	`sdakota: dude. we. get. the. point. we can also read the site itself`
`00:33.41`	`*** join/#debian Greatred (n=greatred@81.107.197.79)`
`00:33.54`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: i was beaten twice ... with what ?`
`00:34.13`	`abrotman`	`oh .. nm`
`00:34.17`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`Some woman... is she here? :)`
`00:34.23`	`thingfish`	`hah`
`00:34.25`	`paces`	`heya SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`
`00:34.26`	`abrotman`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: wrong channel`
`00:34.32`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: there's your flirt :)`
`00:34.34`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: no idea`
`00:34.35`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:34.43`	`sdakota`	`peterS: i know - but you're not, are you`
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`00:34.52`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`abrotman: I'm just kidding....`
`00:34.55`	`thingfish`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: hey babe, I'm whatever you need me to be.`
`00:35.07`	`sdakota`	`how to install the perl PAR tools, like pp and parl? with apt?`
`00:35.17`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`But women use Debian :)`
`00:35.24`	`dvs`	`They do?`
`00:35.25`	`thingfish`	`sure they do.`
`00:35.33`	`thingfish`	`women have good taste.`
`00:35.35`	`xeon_`	`do i have to restart x to see mouse changes?`
`00:35.41`	`dvs`	`thingfish: Ok. You got a point!`
`00:35.42`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: Sure, go ahead.`
`00:35.44`	`thingfish`	`they know quality when they see it.`
`00:35.49`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: Why you think it? :)`
`00:35.58`	`sdakota`	`ke6isf: ..?`
`00:36.19`	`thingfish`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: are you wanting the bio-neuro-chemical reasons why I think that?`
`00:36.20`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: and you are a woman!`
`00:36.26`	`thingfish`	`eww`
`00:36.27`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: Go ahead and install it with apt. Oh, you want to know the package name. =^_^=`
`00:36.30`	`thingfish`	`that's just tacky`
`00:36.42`	`sdakota`	`ke6isf: Ehh - Yes`
`00:36.46`	`*** part/#debian Hobart (i=jb@jb.org)`
`00:36.51`	`thingfish`	`no, I definitely have male stuff.`
`00:37.08`	`Pepe`	`i've got a question`
`00:37.08`	`dvs`	`thingfish: hangover?`
`00:37.09`	`paces`	`why women use linux? :)`
`00:37.12`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:37.20`	`thingfish`	`dvs makes the funny`
`00:37.21`	`ke6isf`	`paces: Because it's superior. =^^=`
`00:37.25`	`sdakota`	`I know only one girl who uses linu`
`00:37.26`	`ke6isf`	`Pepe: Just ask away.`
`00:37.27`	`sdakota`	`linux*`
`00:37.34`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: No, thanks... I wanna too see someone on the channell :-D`
`00:37.36`	`*** join/#debian lekvar (n=lekvar@ool-18baa049.dyn.optonline.net)`
`00:37.44`	`sdakota`	`but then comes - i know not even �ne male who does.`
`00:37.50`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: Don't mind me, I'm feeling slightly sarcastic. What version of Debian are you running?`
`00:37.52`	`thingfish`	`that was pretty much incomprehensible...`
`00:37.54`	`paces`	`ke6isf: yeah :)`
`00:38.00`	`sdakota`	`ke6isf: Euh. Sarge.`
`00:38.12`	`sdakota`	`ke6isf: Stable.`
`00:38.14`	`Pepe`	`i've got ubuntu, all my 3d games go very slow, like in a 386, i'm newbie`
`00:38.16`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: OK, lemme see if I can dig it up.`
`00:38.22`	`sdakota`	`ke6isf: Thanks :)`
`00:38.25`	`ke6isf`	`Pepe: Ask in #ubuntu, please. See the /topic`
`00:38.37`	`Pepe`	`ok, thanks`
`00:38.39`	`thingfish`	`Pepe: go to #ubuntu. They use ubuntu. We don't.`
`00:38.53`	`ambroseL`	`so... I compiled a linux-2.6.14.5 kernel from kernel.org using make-kpkg, but I forgot the --initrd switch. Is there a quick way to make the initrd or do I have to start the whole build over?`
`00:39.05`	`*** join/#debian c_cinq (n=guerrier@adsl-223-136-99.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`00:39.06`	`sdakota`	`I once asked a ubuntu question here - and that was only because i thought debian was still installed on my server. I really forgot I reinstalled debian - it was just so fast and I could see almost no difference`
`00:39.23`	`sdakota`	`but I really ask myself - how do people who never used debian end up here when they ask an ubuntu question?!`
`00:39.33`	`*** join/#debian Fleck (n=NoThing@85.158.74.190)`
`00:39.33`	`sdakota`	`or when they have it, i mean`
`00:39.38`	`dvs`	`!debian based`
`00:39.38`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are not Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i".`
`00:39.44`	`thingfish`	`Who knows. It's an anomaly.`
`00:39.49`	`*** join/#debian Pepe (n=Pepe@host156.200-117-181.telecom.net.ar)`
`00:39.55`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: Because they think that Debian based == Debian. QED, it ain't.`
`00:40.10`	`thingfish`	`wannabees, all of 'em, bastards.`
`00:40.19`	`ke6isf`	`!parl`
`00:40.19`	`sdakota`	`ke6isf: Ah.`
`00:40.23`	`*** part/#debian Epakai (i=coweater@pool-71-96-152-248.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net)`
`00:40.24`	`ke6isf`	`~parl`
`00:40.36`	`benjamindees`	`ambroseL, I think make-kpkg uses ccache`
`00:40.38`	`dvs`	`!parle`
`00:40.39`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`Oh, I'm little drunk...`
`00:40.44`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`No, I'm drunk...`
`00:40.47`	`sdakota`	`lol`
`00:40.50`	`thingfish`	`they don't realize real Debian is way less fucked up than their chosen derivative distros.`
`00:40.51`	`ke6isf`	`dvs: Not quite what I was thinking of. =^^=`
`00:41.01`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: LOL`
`00:41.06`	`thingfish`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: I am in the process of drinking.`
`00:41.12`	`sdakota`	`Yup, he's really drunk.`
`00:41.21`	`abrotman`	`you're all drunks .. i would never touch alcohol of any kind`
`00:41.24`	`ambroseL`	`thanks benjamindees , googling for what ccache is now...`
`00:41.26`	`ke6isf`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: Just don't do math right now and you'll be fine.`
`00:41.29`	`dvs`	`!beer abrotman`
`00:41.30`	`sdakota`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT, at least you can see what you're typing, apparantly`
`00:41.34`	`thingfish`	`oh right, sr. mary abrotman.`
`00:41.38`	`abrotman`	`dvs: damn you .. and a yuengling too!`
`00:41.40`	`sdakota`	`lol`
`00:41.44`	`dvs`	`tee hee hee`
`00:42.06`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: i like yuengling`
`00:42.07`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: I'm complementing my surface :-D`
`00:42.32`	`paces`	`what is Yuengling Lager? :D`
`00:42.32`	`thingfish`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: sounds good to me, buddy.`
`00:42.32`	`thingfish`	`I mean, carry on.`
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`00:42.39`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: You know, I'm searching around using apt-file now, and I can't find parl. =O.`
`00:42.46`	`sdakota`	`ke6isf: and pp?`
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`00:42.54`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: Hunting down pp right now.`
`00:43.01`	`kalium`	`Host/Kernel/OS "KanotixBox" running Linux 2.6.14-kanotix-5 i686 [ KANOTIX 2005-04 LITE ]`
`00:43.02`	`kalium`	`CPU Info AMD Sempron 2200+ clocked at [ 1499.715 MHz ]`
`00:43.02`	`kalium`	`Videocard ATI Radeon RV200 QW [Radeon 7500] X.Org 6.8.2 [ 1024x768 @75hz ]`
`00:43.02`	`kalium`	`Processes 92 \| Uptime 3:01 \| Memory 245.461/248.945MB \| HDD Size 280GB (73%used) \| Client Konversation 0.19 \| Infobash v2.50rc7`
`00:43.02`	`*** part/#debian kalium (n=sterne@dslb-082-083-213-177.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`00:43.02`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`sdakota: I don't understand....`
`00:43.06`	`thingfish`	`tsk`
`00:43.09`	`*** join/#debian kalium (n=sterne@dslb-082-083-213-177.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`00:43.16`	`ke6isf`	`kalium: Ask in #kanotix, please.`
`00:43.19`	`thingfish`	`they come in here, they paste, they get kicked...`
`00:43.25`	`ke6isf`	`kalium: And next time, don't flood.`
`00:43.30`	`thingfish`	`will they never learn!!`
`00:43.31`	`sdakota`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT, is that because you're drunk or not english?`
`00:43.31`	`benjamindees`	`circle of life...`
`00:43.32`	`dvs`	`thingfish: It's sooooooooo much fun!`
`00:43.37`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:43.51`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: You might have to locate the tarball or install through CPAN.`
`00:44.04`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`sdakota: At both... I think :-D`
`00:44.22`	`sdakota`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT, You can see what you are typing. :P`
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`00:44.44`	`kalium`	`thingfish: i have nothing ask just joined`
`00:44.45`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: and if that was an attempt at a brag about his box ... that's not much to brag about :)`
`00:44.53`	`thetallcoolone`	`is there a way to have the num-lock enabled at boot up or is it a no-no in the Linux world?`
`00:44.55`	`abrotman`	`kalium: then why the fuck would you flood the channel ?`
`00:45.18`	`thingfish`	`kalium: now you realize that made absolutely no sense, right?`
`00:45.23`	`kalium`	`thingfish: just mistake`
`00:45.33`	`abrotman`	`or stupidity`
`00:45.36`	`ke6isf`	`!flood`
`00:45.37`	`dpkg`	`It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/`
`00:45.38`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`sdakota: I think yeah :-D`
`00:45.39`	`thingfish`	`kalium: what's your native language?`
`00:45.47`	`bbrazil`	`thingfish: xsetleds and setleds iirc`
`00:45.49`	`kalium`	`thingfish: german`
`00:45.52`	`bbrazil`	`thetallcoolone: ^^`
`00:46.07`	`thingfish`	`ah. kalium, there's a #debian-de, if you feel inclined.`
`00:46.12`	`sdakota`	`I gtg.`
`00:46.15`	`sdakota`	`See yeh.`
`00:46.20`	`sdakota`	`Happy new year all.`
`00:46.22`	`sdakota`	`;)`
`00:46.23`	`paces`	`german :-D`
`00:46.27`	`thingfish`	`sdakota: mommy calling you to bathtime?`
`00:46.35`	`thingfish`	`you too, sdakota`
`00:46.40`	`thetallcoolone`	`bbrazil: ?`
`00:46.48`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: before you go...`
`00:46.52`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: Hey... I spoted you :-D`
`00:46.56`	`abrotman`	`i mean .. why wouldyou walk into a channel .. and announce your system .. that's like walking into a bar and dropping your pants`
`00:46.59`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: Can't find pp either. Try pulling the tarball in when you get time.`
`00:47.02`	`sdakota`	`thingfish, Yea, like that. It's 1:46 now. And i'm really tired though (that's one of the biggest reasons though, unlike my mom wanting it.)`
`00:47.04`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: hey wassup? :)`
`00:47.10`	`bbrazil`	`thetallcoolone: setleds`
`00:47.20`	`sdakota`	`ke6isf: Ok, thanks for looking anyway :)`
`00:47.22`	`thingfish`	`abrotman: well, I mean, in some places, that'd get your attention pretty quickly. Would mine.`
`00:47.25`	`sdakota`	`ke6isf: Seeyou :)`
`00:47.26`	`ke6isf`	`sdakota: No problem. Happy new year.`
`00:47.40`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: Nothing... I'm really outside :-D`
`00:47.41`	`kalium`	`thingfish: thanks for chat link :-)`
`00:47.47`	`thingfish`	`?`
`00:47.52`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: youre drunk man? :)`
`00:48.02`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: Yeah :-D`
`00:48.05`	`thingfish`	`I'm evidently doing things I don't realize.`
`00:48.09`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: i must also go for my wine :-)`
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`00:48.19`	`micahf`	`hey where does thunderbird keep mail?`
`00:48.21`	`thingfish`	`wine? pfft.`
`00:48.24`	`micahf`	`where are mbox's stored?`
`00:48.27`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: Yeah... Do it :)`
`00:48.37`	`micahf`	`cause I want to import and mbox inbox`
`00:48.38`	`thetallcoolone`	`bbrazil: not sure I understand. I'm learning here. You mean setleds will let me enable the num-lock at boot up? and if so, where do I set it?`
`00:48.39`	`paces`	`thingfish: you dont like wine? :)`
`00:48.42`	`thingfish`	`real men drink strawberry daiquiris.`
`00:48.43`	`micahf`	`an*`
`00:48.44`	`nkuttler`	`micahf: try ~/.thunderbird`
`00:48.45`	`c_cinq`	`hello`
`00:48.45`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`micahf: What do you mean?`
`00:48.55`	`thingfish`	`paces: just kidding. I love good wine.`
`00:48.56`	`nkuttler`	`micahf: or use the export thing in the menu`
`00:49.01`	`paces`	`thingfish: yeah :-)`
`00:49.18`	`thingfish`	`good wine = art`
`00:49.20`	`bbrazil`	`thetallcoolone: create a boot script - it'll only work on the console though`
`00:49.28`	`ke6isf`	`!literal beer`
`00:49.29`	`dpkg`	`"#debian beer" is "liquid gold mate"`
`00:49.53`	`ke6isf`	`How do I list the contents of the 'beer' factoid?`
`00:49.59`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`dpkg .... LOL`
`00:50.08`	`ke6isf`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: ...um, dpkg is a bot.`
`00:50.10`	`bbrazil`	`ke6isf: beer (.*?)`
`00:50.14`	`abrotman`	`!tell ke6isf about literal cmd: beer (.*?)`
`00:50.20`	`c_cinq`	`i have a quick question about connecting two computers: one running debian and the other running knoppix. I don't know where to begin.`
`00:50.21`	`ke6isf`	`abrotman: Grazie. =^^=`
`00:50.22`	`dvs`	`dpkg shut up`
`00:50.23`	`dpkg`	`Kiss my shiny metal ass!`
`00:50.31`	`thingfish`	`yeah`
`00:50.34`	`dvs`	`Not a bot to me!`
`00:50.36`	`thingfish`	`you go, girl.`
`00:50.40`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`ke6isf: I thinked it... and that's a funny`
`00:50.44`	`abrotman`	`c_cinq: well .. start somewhere`
`00:50.46`	`nkuttler`	`dpkg: what are you?`
`00:50.47`	`dpkg`	`I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>`
`00:50.47`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: thought :-)`
`00:51.01`	`ke6isf`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: Ah huh.`
`00:51.03`	`thingfish`	`dpkg is fierce. dpkg turns it out, baby!`
`00:51.04`	`c_cinq`	`abrotman: thanks`
`00:51.10`	`thetallcoolone`	`bbrazil: one more thing to learn, boot script. I'll investigate that. thanks`
`00:51.13`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`APT has skills God's cow.... I don't know....`
`00:51.30`	`abrotman`	`thetallcoolone: /etc/init.d/README`
`00:51.44`	`abrotman`	`this could be worse than a sunday`
`00:51.57`	`bbrazil`	`it is a sunday`
`00:52.06`	`abrotman`	`not yet`
`00:52.10`	`paces`	`yeah`
`00:52.11`	`thetallcoolone`	`abrotman: thanks for the info.`
`00:52.13`	`bbrazil`	`it is for me`
`00:52.18`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: Thanks... I didn't remember`
`00:52.20`	`ke6isf`	`bbrazil: Ah, but I'm in US PST.`
`00:52.32`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: i know, youre drunk XD`
`00:52.37`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: he is not`
`00:52.41`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: And you? :-D`
`00:52.42`	`dvs`	`ke6isf: You got one heck of a wait`
`00:52.47`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: im not yet :)`
`00:52.53`	`thingfish`	`!fierce`
`00:52.54`	`dpkg`	`fierce is, like, I'm beyond fierce, baby, I turn it out.`
`00:52.55`	`ke6isf`	`dvs: Time passes. I'm patient.`
`00:53.01`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: And why? :-D`
`00:53.09`	`abrotman`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: paces: are you guys bored ?`
`00:53.21`	`paces`	`abrotman: why bored?`
`00:53.41`	`thingfish`	`because it's new year's eve and we have no hot flesh at our disposal.`
`00:53.49`	`dvs`	`pfffffffffffft`
`00:54.00`	`thingfish`	`well, not until 10:30`
`00:54.07`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: 'cause excalator :-)`
`00:54.22`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: exhavior :-D`
`00:54.38`	`thingfish`	`exhavior is not a word. please re-define.`
`00:54.47`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: excavator`
`00:55.06`	`ke6isf`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT, paces: OK, you guys have had enough. Time to call a taxi.`
`00:55.34`	`dvs`	`Where's the bouncer?`
`00:55.38`	`paces`	`ke6isf: lol`
`00:55.55`	`thingfish`	`the bouncer is in the back, eating prime rib.`
`00:55.56`	`paces`	`ke6isf: i didnt drink yet :)`
`00:55.58`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: I'm sorry :-/`
`00:56.02`	`c_cinq`	`I know smb connects windows and linux. how about two linux machines?`
`00:56.07`	`abrotman`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: paces: /msg each other ..`
`00:56.08`	`paces`	`but SIDEREAL-KNIGHT is drunk :)`
`00:56.20`	`paces`	`abrotman: im not registered :-/`
`00:56.31`	`abrotman`	`i find it too ironic that two idiots from .cz join .. and they're both drunk`
`00:56.32`	`dvs`	`Happy New Year's everybody. I'm out!`
`00:56.36`	`nkuttler`	`c_cinq: try smbclient`
`00:56.42`	`thingfish`	`HNY, dvs.`
`00:57.05`	`abrotman`	`paces: and neither is he`
`00:57.11`	`thingfish`	`wow, still 5 hours to go...I can't keep drinking at this pace.`
`00:57.13`	`abrotman`	`paces: and you two can make your own channel`
`00:57.18`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: wussie`
`00:57.19`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`00:57.27`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: /nick wussiefish`
`00:57.31`	`thingfish`	`plus I gotta cook something.`
`00:57.53`	`bbrazil`	`c_cinq: or smbmount (smbfs package)`
`00:57.54`	`thingfish`	`hehe wussiefish`
`00:58.15`	`c_cinq`	`will smb4k do?`
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`00:59.38`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`abrotman: You're not tolerant... You're arogant... too more`
`00:59.44`	`thingfish`	`tsk`
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`01:00.05`	`thingfish`	`it's OK to be bitchy.`
`01:00.16`	`abrotman`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: cry .. go ahead`
`01:00.26`	`paces`	`XD`
`01:00.41`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`abrotman: :-D`
`01:00.43`	`abrotman`	`i've never seen either of you here .. you both join .. seconds apart .. and then turn into tards`
`01:00.47`	`thingfish`	`and, it's 'arrogant'/`
`01:00.59`	`c_cinq`	`ok smbclient is installed via synaptic`
`01:01.48`	`paces`	`abrotman: don't you like czech 'tourists' ? :)`
`01:01.54`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`LOL`
`01:01.59`	`thingfish`	`ooh, I like czechs.`
`01:02.01`	`abrotman`	`i don't like idiots`
`01:02.13`	`paces`	`abrotman: why you think we are idiots?`
`01:02.22`	`thingfish`	`czechs have a cool language.`
`01:02.26`	`thingfish`	`all consonant.`
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`01:02.28`	`paces`	`thingfish: i love you too`
`01:02.30`	`*** join/#debian ke6isf (i=ke6isf@hibachi.chez-vrolet.net)`
`01:02.32`	`thingfish`	`*consonants.`
`01:02.36`	`abrotman`	`for starters .. you can't spell arrogant ?`
`01:02.56`	`thingfish`	`well, that's to be excused, if he's a non-native speaker, to be fair.`
`01:03.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 658] by debhelper`
`01:03.02`	`thingfish`	`now now`
`01:03.18`	`ke6isf`	`hny thingfish`
`01:03.23`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: Prostě a jednoduše... když někdo neumí anglicky, tak je podle nich idiot... no a co když on neumí česky? :-D`
`01:03.30`	`thingfish`	`(I'm being nice because czech men are said to be beautiful!)`
`01:03.31`	`ke6isf`	`Oh, for pity's sake...`
`01:03.34`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: lol you should speak english :)`
`01:03.37`	`abrotman`	`!afo`
`01:03.38`	`dpkg`	`asg for ops!`
`01:03.44`	`ke6isf`	`!ops SIDEREAL-KNIGHT and paces`
`01:03.45`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: SIDEREAL-KNIGHT and paces`
`01:03.51`	`thingfish`	`ooh, I'm swooning!`
`01:03.57`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: hehe`
`01:04.09`	`thingfish`	`ah, you czech lovelies, take me!`
`01:04.19`	`paces`	`thingfish: :-)`
`01:04.22`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`01:04.25`	`micahf`	`any ideas why thunderbird can't read my mbox files?`
`01:04.27`	`nkuttler`	`thingfish: there are beautiful people everywhere in europe`
`01:04.28`	`micahf`	`I copied them to the ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/...`
`01:04.30`	`micahf`	`appropriate user directory`
`01:04.36`	`micahf`	`it's weird`
`01:04.49`	`ke6isf`	`!tell micahf -about enter`
`01:04.50`	`abrotman`	`wrong location? wrong perimssions? wrong ownership ?`
`01:04.53`	`thingfish`	`nkuttler: and I am only willing to explore.`
`01:04.55`	`paces`	`thingfish: what country are you from?`
`01:05.12`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`I've ~/.thunderbird only....`
`01:05.13`	`demonjester`	`I would bet on ownership`
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`01:05.24`	`*** join/#debian samuel (n=samuel@dsl-201-128-184-208.prod-infinitum.com.mx)`
`01:05.25`	`Omega11`	`debian linux sucks`
`01:05.27`	`abrotman`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1`
`01:05.30`	`thingfish`	`paces: I am from the middle of the U.S.A. Please come rescue me; I plead political asylum.`
`01:05.33`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`Omega11: You too`
`01:05.36`	`VPR5703`	`Question..`
`01:05.36`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: Then go away.`
`01:05.37`	`paces`	`thingfish: lol`
`01:05.37`	`VPR5703`	`me again`
`01:05.46`	`paces`	`thingfish: i'm too young to go to USA :)`
`01:05.53`	`abrotman`	`surprise`
`01:05.55`	`nkuttler`	`Omega11: it's GNU/Linux`
`01:05.56`	`samuel`	`sup all`
`01:06.06`	`thingfish`	`I'm serious. I need european environment in which to thrive.`
`01:06.13`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`abrotman: And theeeen? :)`
`01:06.16`	`Omega11`	`well anyways all lnux sux`
`01:06.19`	`Omega11`	`it has bad kernel`
`01:06.21`	`VPR5703`	`OK, Im trying to install Sarge onto my computer here at my house. And it sticks at "loding module for IDE detection"`
`01:06.22`	`thingfish`	`these bible beaters are really getting me down.`
`01:06.23`	`samuel`	`anyone know what KDE uses for detecting and automounting drives?`
`01:06.24`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: is that all ?`
`01:06.32`	`nkuttler`	`Omega11: nice troll. too bad i have to go`
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`01:06.37`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: what's a good kernel?`
`01:06.42`	`Omega11`	`windows xp kernel`
`01:06.43`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: Indeed. What would you suggest? Perhaps OS/2?`
`01:06.44`	`abrotman`	`and why?`
`01:06.45`	`Omega11`	`is good kernel`
`01:06.49`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: why is it a good kernel ?`
`01:06.51`	`benjamindees`	`!ops Omega11`
`01:06.51`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Omega11`
`01:06.57`	`ke6isf`	`benjamindees: Doh, not yet!`
`01:06.59`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`samuel: I know... but only in Czech :) I'm sorry :)`
`01:07.03`	`thingfish`	`nkuttler: why do you have to go? Some hot party to attend?`
`01:07.05`	`ke6isf`	`benjamindees: I wanna play with this character?`
`01:07.11`	`nkuttler`	`thingfish: yup`
`01:07.12`	`Omega11`	`cause it is professionaly designed by microsoft`
`01:07.14`	`Omega11`	`makes it good kernel`
`01:07.18`	`VPR5703`	`...`
`01:07.25`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: but people are paid to professionally work on linux kernel`
`01:07.28`	`thingfish`	`nkuttler: ooh! I hope you manage to get naked sometime tonight!`
`01:07.30`	`benjamindees`	`alright, alright...`
`01:07.31`	`paces`	`Omega11: 'professionaly'? lol!`
`01:07.34`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: But, can you offer any technical superiority other than that "Microsoft makes it"?`
`01:07.35`	`zOap`	`Happy new year!`
`01:07.41`	`nkuttler`	`thingfish: i always sleep naked...`
`01:07.48`	`paces`	`zOap: same to you`
`01:07.50`	`thingfish`	`hehe I mean WITH someone silly`
`01:08.01`	`zOap`	`nkuttler, to much information.`
`01:08.04`	`zOap`	`:)`
`01:08.06`	`thingfish`	`no it's NOT`
`01:08.10`	`Omega11`	`it has something to do with monolitich vs microkernel`
`01:08.11`	`thingfish`	`it's kinda hot...`
`01:08.12`	`Omega11`	`or something`
`01:08.13`	`abrotman`	`bah .. fuck . i cut up my hand`
`01:08.22`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: they're both monolithic`
`01:08.25`	`thingfish`	`ooh, abrotman - emergency room?`
`01:08.35`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: no .. not like that .. like sandpaper`
`01:08.36`	`thingfish`	`stiches.`
`01:08.37`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: So just because of buzzwords, it's superior?`
`01:08.42`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`abrotman: That's life`
`01:08.43`	`ke6isf`	`abrotman: Ouch. Superglue.`
`01:08.46`	`VPR5703`	`So any anwsers?`
`01:08.52`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: XP and linux are both monolithic`
`01:09.03`	`ke6isf`	`abrotman: I know.`
`01:09.04`	`Omega11`	`well there have been professioal studies done that tco for windows xp is better`
`01:09.06`	`Omega11`	`so im convinced`
`01:09.12`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: That means absolutely nothing.`
`01:09.12`	`thingfish`	`hahaha`
`01:09.13`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: but it's not even a server release`
`01:09.17`	`thingfish`	`it is to laugh`
`01:09.23`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: There can be professional studies that cyanide won't kill you.`
`01:09.32`	`thingfish`	`troll, troll, troll, troll, troll...`
`01:09.38`	`bbrazil`	`Omega11: do you have a question relating to debian?`
`01:09.39`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: no .. it's from my guitar .. i think one of the frets slid out`
`01:09.45`	`Omega11`	`well yea`
`01:09.48`	`abrotman`	`bbrazil: oh come on ..`
`01:09.50`	`Omega11`	`i just want to know why debain sucks`
`01:09.52`	`paces`	`Omega11: professional studies? no. thay had only too much money :-)`
`01:09.55`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: have you used it ?`
`01:09.58`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: There is a ever circulating petition that calls for the FDA to ban water because the inhalation of it can kill you.`
`01:09.59`	`sward`	`oooh, I do like a good troll... ... ... ... ... not`
`01:10.00`	`paces`	`Omega11: *they`
`01:10.01`	`samuel`	`there are 3 types of lies... lies, damned lies, and microsoft!`
`01:10.02`	`Omega11`	`i mean even among linuxes debian is worst distro compared to mandrake`
`01:10.09`	`thingfish`	`Omega11: your daddy is hot.`
`01:10.11`	`abrotman`	`mandrake doesn't exist tard`
`01:10.18`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: have you tried debian?`
`01:10.22`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: Well, that's your opinion`
`01:10.26`	`VPR5703`	`ok.`
`01:10.30`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`sward: LOL`
`01:10.31`	`Omega11`	`yea that apt-get shit sux`
`01:10.31`	`ambroseL`	`Omega11, who paid for those studies that say Windows XP is the best?`
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`01:10.44`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: really .. why is that ? .. did you file a bug?`
`01:10.47`	`thingfish`	`you guys, man, ignore the goof.`
`01:10.49`	`Omega11`	`don't matter who pay for it study says it`
`01:10.52`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: Well, that's a very interesting opinion, but why does it suck?`
`01:10.55`	`VPR5703`	`thingfish`
`01:11.01`	`VPR5703`	`you seem to be of a steady mind`
`01:11.04`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`Oh God.. Linuxes... that's too bad word...`
`01:11.05`	`ke6isf`	`!ops Omega11 trolling`
`01:11.05`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Omega11 trolling`
`01:11.06`	`VPR5703`	`can you help me?`
`01:11.07`	`thingfish`	`haha`
`01:11.09`	`Omega11`	`well sometimes it don't work properly`
`01:11.12`	`thingfish`	`hahaha`
`01:11.14`	`Omega11`	`it fux0red my puter`
`01:11.20`	`thingfish`	`steady mind? hahaha`
`01:11.21`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: How so?`
`01:11.25`	`VPR5703`	`OK seven so`
`01:11.27`	`thingfish`	`that's a laugh.`
`01:11.27`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: PEBKAC`
`01:11.28`	`VPR5703`	`*even`
`01:11.30`	`aaaa`	`happy new year`
`01:11.33`	`VPR5703`	`can you help me out a bit`
`01:11.37`	`Omega11`	`and the rm command is bad`
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`01:11.39`	`demonjester`	`sounds like a ID10T error`
`01:11.40`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: And more important, what version of Debian?`
`01:11.42`	`Omega11`	`one tim i did rm -rf /`
`01:11.45`	`bbrazil`	`!ask`
`01:11.46`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
`01:11.49`	`Omega11`	`and the computer wouldn't start`
`01:11.51`	`thingfish`	`I have medication bills that testify to my not having a steady mind.`
`01:11.52`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: PEBKAC`
`01:11.55`	`Duelist`	`Omega11: APT beats the crap out of other package management or lack thereof`
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`01:11.57`	`lekvar`	`Omega11: You probably don't like the nuthatch either...`
`01:12.00`	`VPR5703`	`Ok thats alright`
`01:12.05`	`VPR5703`	`bbrazil, I did ask.`
`01:12.06`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: In that case, that was your error. You do understand what 'rm -rf /' does, right?`
`01:12.06`	`sward`	`Omega11: fux0red? You're not one of them, are you?`
`01:12.07`	`Duelist`	`Omega11: and if you're stupid enough to rm -rf / then you deserve what to get`
`01:12.08`	`ambroseL`	`hahahaha, Omega11 - the rm command is bad??? so are nuclear reactors and other technology`
`01:12.10`	`VPR5703`	`you nonoe answered`
`01:12.11`	`Duelist`	`what you get I mean`
`01:12.19`	`Omega11`	`well`
`01:12.24`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`Debian Sid (without udev from Sid) RULEZz :-D`
`01:12.29`	`thingfish`	`tsk`
`01:12.31`	`Omega11`	`i mean in windows it warns u before whole system is earases`
`01:12.32`	`Duelist`	`and you can format C: on Windows, too`
`01:12.39`	`thingfish`	`sarge is the only rule thing.`
`01:12.40`	`Omega11`	`yea but at least it wrnas u`
`01:12.41`	`VPR5703`	`so can I ask again?`
`01:12.42`	`abrotman`	`!tell Omega11 about u`
`01:12.42`	`lekvar`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: with no udev or with a different udev?`
`01:12.45`	`dvsdude`	`hey all im running unstable and having problems with qt when trying to compile kde app any help appriciated`
`01:12.50`	`thingfish`	`see`
`01:12.51`	`bbrazil`	`VPR5703: try linux26`
`01:12.52`	`ambroseL`	`Omega11, except for the Blue Screen of Death, and freezes, and stuff`
`01:12.59`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: 'rm -rf /' is analogous to 'deltree -y c:`
`01:13.05`	`thingfish`	`ick`
`01:13.10`	`VPR5703`	`Even though my question relates to Sarge?`
`01:13.13`	`thingfish`	`it mentions the dos stuff.`
`01:13.22`	`Omega11`	`what the fuck is wrong with typing u`
`01:13.25`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: With 'rm', the -f tells it to not ask. Just like /y in 'del' and 'deltree'.`
`01:13.26`	`Omega11`	`it saves bandwidth`
`01:13.26`	`abrotman`	`!tell Omega11 about u`
`01:13.28`	`kspath`	`any tty fanatics use svgatextmode (1.9-12) enable higher resolution text modes ?`
`01:13.32`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: Dont' do it. Trust me.`
`01:13.38`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: Yes, two bytes.`
`01:13.41`	`thingfish`	`tsk piss off, Omega11. we just don't like you.`
`01:13.44`	`sward`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: udev from sid is fine so far, what problems should I expect? They certainly weren't listed in apt-listchanges/bugs`
`01:13.57`	`bbrazil`	`VPR5703: well, its worth a try`
`01:14.00`	`owh`	`Happy new year. I'm trying to do: apt-get install alsa-oss. This results in a notification that the following will be REMOVED: bcm5700-module-2.6.11-1-686 initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686 - except that AFAIK that's my current kernel. Can someone hit me with a clue-bat and help me figure out what is going on?`
`01:14.05`	`Omega11`	`yea but those two bytes actually have bandwidth value`
`01:14.08`	`zOap`	`Omega11, are you being stupid? if you deslike deb that much why don't you find yourself another place to be`
`01:14.08`	`zOap`	`?`
`01:14.13`	`Omega11`	`so its better to type u`
`01:14.17`	`abrotman`	`owh: alsa is in 2.6 already`
`01:14.18`	`abrotman`	`!tell Omega11 about u`
`01:14.19`	`VPR5703`	`Ok no one is there.`
`01:14.19`	`zOap`	`Omega11, are you 11 year old?`
`01:14.20`	`Omega11`	`and for your are type u r`
`01:14.23`	`ke6isf`	`Omega11: By that extension, by doing 'rm -rf /' without fully understanding the consequences, that classifies you as a "stupid fucking idiot", and you deserve to lose..`
`01:14.24`	`abrotman`	`!tell Omega11 about r`
`01:14.28`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`sward: After update my udev laired :)`
`01:14.31`	`thingfish`	`zOap: you're just feeding it.`
`01:14.40`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`sward: *upgrade`
`01:14.43`	`lekvar`	`sward: SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: I've had plenty of "fun" trying to upgrade a laptop above 2.6.8 & udev (sid except for kernel)...`
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`01:15.09`	`VPR5703`	`OK.`
`01:15.14`	`thingfish`	`zOap: probably some appalachian inbred lump of quivering protoplasm. Leave it alone.`
`01:15.22`	`VPR5703`	`Does Linux not like nVidia chipsets?`
`01:15.28`	`sward`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT, lekvar: new udev requires at least kernel 2.6.12, if I recall correctly`
`01:15.30`	`kspath`	`abrotman: were you the one that was going to get the plasma for TTYs use?`
`01:15.30`	`Omega11`	`read article on msnbc how short type saves letters on text messaging dumb ass`
`01:15.33`	`abrotman`	`no .. nvidia doesn't like its users`
`01:15.34`	`Omega11`	`don't make big deal out of it`
`01:15.35`	`ke6isf`	`!tell VPR5703 -about nvidia`
`01:15.37`	`owh`	`abrotman: How do I get the compatibility wrapper: aoss which it appears I need to be able to get sound running with VMware which doesn't talk to ALSA?`
`01:15.49`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`sward: I have 2.6.14 :)`
`01:15.50`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: I just had dpkg send you the information on nvidia. Read and be enlightened.`
`01:15.55`	`abrotman`	`!find aoss sarge`
`01:16.02`	`dvsdude`	`hey all im running unstable and having problems with qt when trying to compile kde app any help appriciated`
`01:16.08`	`VPR5703`	`Thanks.`
`01:16.09`	`abrotman`	`dvsdude: that's vague`
`01:16.11`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'aoss' (2): (/usr/bin/aoss, /usr/lib/{libaoss.a\|libaoss.la\|libaoss.so\|...}) in sound/alsa-oss ;; (/usr/share/doc/aegis-doc/{aoss4.dvi.gz\|aoss4.ps.gz\|aoss4.txt.gz}) in doc/aegis-doc.`
`01:16.14`	`Omega11`	`dvsdude: switch to windows`
`01:16.25`	`VPR5703`	`OK didnt help much`
`01:16.31`	`dvsdude`	`Omega11, fuk off`
`01:16.39`	`lekvar`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: yea I tried 2.6.14 and wound up with bunches of "eth0: Interrupt(s) dropped!" errors that were never there before...`
`01:16.44`	`benjamindees`	`dvsdude, don't mind him, he's a troll`
`01:16.45`	`ke6isf`	`dvsdude: He's a troll, just ignore nim.`
`01:16.45`	`dvsdude`	`abrotman, when running configure it looks for qt >=2.2.2 header and libraries but not found`
`01:16.46`	`VPR5703`	`It is sticking on the "loading IDE detection moduke for.." part.`
`01:16.47`	`Omega11`	`its fuck not fuk spell it out they make me dumb ass`
`01:16.47`	`ke6isf`	`s/nim/him`
`01:16.54`	`abrotman`	`dvsdude: did you install the -dev packages`
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`01:17.04`	`ambroseL`	`Omega11, if you're just here to troll, please go away`
`01:17.10`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: You need to read the factoid, and then read the other factoids that it refers you to.`
`01:17.15`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`lekvar: Errors? Which errors?`
`01:17.16`	`sward`	`dvsdude: switch to win.. err, yeah, what exactly is your problem? Any error messages that could help us?`
`01:17.16`	`ke6isf`	`ambrose: dude, /ignore`
`01:17.17`	`VPR5703`	`oh OK`
`01:17.21`	`abrotman`	`owh: it should`
`01:17.25`	`Omega11`	`no im not fishing im here to piss people off and make them mad not troll`
`01:17.32`	`Omega11`	`i don't like to troll for fish`
`01:17.34`	`lekvar`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: It would seem right thing to do is install pcmciautils > pcmcia-cs && purge hotplug... but then other stuff breaks worse`
`01:17.35`	`abrotman`	`that is trolling you fucking moron`
`01:17.53`	`Omega11`	`no trolling is a form of fishing u fucking dumb ass`
`01:17.59`	`VPR5703`	`Ok o do I get it to send me other factoids?`
`01:18.00`	`abrotman`	`!tell Omega11 about u`
`01:18.01`	`paces`	`lol`
`01:18.03`	`VPR5703`	`Sorry for being new.`
`01:18.07`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`lekvar: Oh... you have notebook... isn't it?`
`01:18.09`	`ke6isf`	`sigh When the ops are /away, the dumbshits are at play.`
`01:18.10`	`ambroseL`	`ke6isf, I just wanted to ask it to leave in a new way besides some of the less polite forms`
`01:18.17`	`lekvar`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: Correct!`
`01:18.19`	`bbrazil`	`VPR5703: /msg dpkg factoid`
`01:18.20`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: he said that :-)`
`01:18.23`	`VPR5703`	`ok thnaks`
`01:18.25`	`ambroseL`	`it has no excuse for not understanding now`
`01:18.27`	`dvsdude`	`abrotman, have qt3-dev-tools`
`01:18.27`	`beardy`	`!troll Omega11`
`01:18.37`	`ke6isf`	`ambroseL: Not sure it understands "polite" though.`
`01:18.39`	`abrotman`	`dvsdude: do you have qt3-dev ?`
`01:18.41`	`thingfish`	`why are there never any ops in here. dereliction of duty, if you ask me.`
`01:18.49`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: I don't know...`
`01:18.50`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: complain to the powers that be`
`01:18.51`	`Duelist`	`anyway, I once hosed a perfectly good Windows 2000 Professional install just uninstalling software, the registry ate itself`
`01:18.58`	`ambroseL`	`ke6isf, it doesn't understand anything else, so I tried polite`
`01:18.58`	`abrotman`	`!afo`
`01:18.58`	`dpkg`	`antgel for ops!`
`01:19.01`	`ambroseL`	`I knew it was a long shot`
`01:19.07`	`ke6isf`	`!kfo`
`01:19.09`	`thingfish`	`dondelelcaro: there are never enough ops in here!`
`01:19.10`	`beardy`	`!bfo`
`01:19.20`	`Duelist`	`at least when the Debian equivalent of a registry eats itself the system is still nominally usable`
`01:19.22`	`ke6isf`	`shrug`
`01:19.25`	`abrotman`	`!afo`
`01:19.26`	`dpkg`	`antgel for ops!`
`01:19.27`	`lekvar`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: I think I know the solution to all tihs... namely, discard current notebook computer and replace with one featuring inbuilt ethernet...`
`01:19.34`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`lekvar: I'm sorry... I haven't NB... I've it on PC`
`01:19.35`	`thingfish`	`Overfiend: optify some folks!`
`01:19.42`	`sward`	`thingfish: Then shout "op me, op me!"`
`01:19.45`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`01:19.49`	`peterS`	`thingfish: rabblerousing won't get new ops appointed`
`01:19.51`	`zOap`	`stupid ass mf kills my new year joy. Omega11 , I'm gonna search down your comp and destroy it. Oh, wait, you are running winblows, it will take care of it by itself`
`01:19.53`	`Omega11`	`type rm -rf /etc`
`01:19.53`	`beardy`	`abrotman for ops!`
`01:19.54`	`thingfish`	`no way, I don't want to be an op.`
`01:19.56`	`Omega11`	`erase the registey`
`01:19.59`	`Omega11`	`rm -rf /etc`
`01:20.02`	`Omega11`	`then it won't work`
`01:20.02`	`thingfish`	`peterS: I know.`
`01:20.05`	`VPR5703`	`Ok`
`01:20.08`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`lekvar: I don't think so.... but NB's are diferent...`
`01:20.09`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: shut the hell up`
`01:20.14`	`sward`	`thingfish: More likely to get you kicked`
`01:20.24`	`thingfish`	`ooh, we don't want that.`
`01:20.28`	`ke6isf`	`Rabble Rabble Rabble! Rouse Rouse Rouse!`
`01:20.30`	`thingfish`	`me likey #debian.`
`01:20.31`	`VPR5703`	`It's haning at the initial installation, I cant even get into the kernel yet`
`01:20.33`	`peterS`	`sward: he likes it rough, though`
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`01:20.40`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`01:20.42`	`VPR5703`	`*hanging`
`01:20.46`	`sward`	`I bet`
`01:20.49`	`thingfish`	`tsk`
`01:20.52`	`Omega11`	`my psp is better then debian`
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`01:21.03`	`bbrazil`	`VPR5703: there should be an option to disable probing ide - ide=noprobe maybe. try googling`
`01:21.12`	`kspath`	`Why is it they allow those in special hospitals to have access to internet resources when they are off their meds`
`01:21.17`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`01:21.22`	`VPR5703`	`ok Ill see what I can dop`
`01:21.24`	`VPR5703`	`*do`
`01:21.25`	`sward`	`Omega11: my psp would have Debian on it, if I had a psd`
`01:21.30`	`thetallcoolone`	`It is fun watching things evolving 'round here. ;-)`
`01:21.31`	`sward`	`*psp`
`01:21.35`	`Omega11`	`this play station portable os is better then debian`
`01:21.41`	`Omega11`	`more user friendly`
`01:21.43`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: Hey... that's czech phrase... or word :)`
`01:21.48`	`owh`	`abrotman: Is it possible that I've not configured oss compatibility properly and that I need to do some RTFM-ing?`
`01:21.51`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: and what OS does the PSP use?`
`01:21.53`	`Omega11`	`no ur psp wouldn't have debian in it`
`01:21.55`	`paces`	`Omega11: you are not user friendly :)`
`01:21.56`	`dvsdude`	`abrotman, i have apt-cache search qt3 and libqt installed all packages that apt will allow just installed qt3-dev-tools and qt3-dev-tools-compat now app complains about libraries`
`01:21.57`	`abrotman`	`!tell Omega11 about ur`
`01:21.59`	`EdLin`	`!ops Omega11 is trolling, rather stupidly, but trolling`
`01:22.00`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Omega11 is trolling, rather stupidly, but trolling`
`01:22.00`	`Omega11`	`they haven't built a working psp kernel yet`
`01:22.05`	`thingfish`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: tsk is a word?`
`01:22.09`	`Omega11`	`!tell abrotman about ur`
`01:22.09`	`Omega11`	`!tell abrotman about ur`
`01:22.10`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: LOL`
`01:22.10`	`Omega11`	`!tell abrotman about ur`
`01:22.11`	`abrotman`	`dvsdude: you need qt3-dev`
`01:22.14`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: do it faster`
`01:22.24`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: :p`
`01:22.31`	`thingfish`	`here's the only czech phrase I know: strc prst skrz krk`
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`01:22.41`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: if you say it really quickly five times in a row .. dpkg gives you a speical url`
`01:22.42`	`beardy`	`Omega11: That's enough, lay off or go away.`
`01:22.54`	`Omega11`	`!tell abrotman about ur`
`01:22.55`	`Omega11`	`!tell abrotman about ur`
`01:22.57`	`ambroseL`	`abrotman, heh`
`01:23.02`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: five times`
`01:23.10`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: I don't know... It's interjection... 'Mean "hehe" :)`
`01:23.20`	`paces`	`ke6isf: :-)`
`01:23.21`	`thingfish`	`too crazy, going to have to leave the insanity and go cook.`
`01:23.22`	`beardy`	`ke6isf: Then stay all day.`
`01:23.26`	`solomonn`	`hum, i just upgraded sid amd64's xorg and now ctrl+alt+foo stuff doesn't work, like switching to console and switching modes`
`01:23.29`	`beardy`	`Happy tardsday.`
`01:23.31`	`Omega11`	`i think i'll goto #gentoo now ur getting boraing`
`01:23.34`	`ke6isf`	`beardy: Yes, I know, that's what Sunday's for. =^_^=`
`01:23.35`	`thingfish`	`hehe beardy`
`01:23.36`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: are you scared?`
`01:23.37`	`kspath`	`it is funny in some ways but the scrolling got annoying a bit`
`01:23.38`	`ke6isf`	`!always sunday`
`01:23.38`	`dpkg`	`Just as it's always September, somewhere, out on the internet, it's always Sunday here in #debian.`
`01:23.39`	`VPR5703`	`ok no help`
`01:23.41`	`abrotman`	`!tell Omega11 about ur`
`01:23.42`	`beardy`	`ke6isf: mm`
`01:23.50`	`lekvar`	`Okay if a new kernel brings in new pcmcia card services stuff which bring in udev, which kills devfs, and thus makes the old kernel unbootable, how do you do a rollback if there are problems?`
`01:23.54`	`peterS`	`I can feel my IQ dropping. maybe I need to get out of here`
`01:23.59`	`cse2`	`In general, what happens if you have a crontab set to execute every minute and it takes longer than a minute to execute? Will it just run both at the same time?`
`01:24.06`	`peterS`	`cse2: yes`
`01:24.07`	`dvsdude`	`abrotman, cannot find qt3-dev via apt-cache search how else can i get`
`01:24.08`	`abrotman`	`owh: yes .. you do need to load a module for oss/alsa stuff`
`01:24.16`	`ke6isf`	`peterS: Have a beer, you'll feel better.`
`01:24.17`	`abrotman`	`dvsdude: why is the compile failing ?`
`01:24.19`	`beardy`	`peterS: Run!`
`01:24.22`	`cse2`	`peterS, thanks`
`01:24.22`	`abrotman`	`peterS: you love us!`
`01:24.26`	`peterS`	`cse2: if that's a distinct possibility, it's best to arrange somehow to generate a lockfile and check it before running`
`01:24.28`	`thingfish`	`peterS: really, it's not always this bad, you know...I mean, what do you expect, it's new years!`
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`01:24.40`	`peterS`	`thingfish: dude, I've been around here for two years, I know what it's usually like`
`01:24.51`	`abrotman`	`peterS: can we make you an op?`
`01:24.54`	`beardy`	`_and_ Sunday, must be the worse it can get..`
`01:24.58`	`thingfish`	`hehe I know peterS, you're an old timer.`
`01:25.08`	`peterS`	`abrotman: if this were a democracy ... but it's not, so.`
`01:25.19`	`VPR5703`	`bbrazil`
`01:25.21`	`abrotman`	`peterS: i'd vote for you!`
`01:25.21`	`Omega11`	`happy new year everyone`
`01:25.23`	`Omega11`	`its almost 2006`
`01:25.26`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: Where do you live?`
`01:25.29`	`peterS`	`abrotman: I think if they decided they needed more ops, you'd get a nomination before I would`
`01:25.32`	`Omega11`	`june 6 will be the end of the world`
`01:25.33`	`VPR5703`	`icant find the commans to disable IDE probing`
`01:25.35`	`ke6isf`	`peters is the new Number 6?`
`01:25.37`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: she lives in USA :)`
`01:25.38`	`Omega11`	`06/06/06`
`01:25.39`	`VPR5703`	`*command`
`01:25.41`	`abrotman`	`peterS: doubtful`
`01:25.43`	`thingfish`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: kansas city, missouri, usa.`
`01:25.44`	`sward`	`I think I'd vote too..
`01:25.50`	`thingfish`	`she???`
`01:25.52`	`thingfish`	`bah.`
`01:25.56`	`sward`	`not that I've been here long`
`01:26.01`	`ke6isf`	`Wow, so Omega11 is not only a troll, he's a false prophet as well.`
`01:26.03`	`dvsdude`	`abrotman, see flood`
`01:26.04`	`paces`	`thingfish: yeah, she :)`
`01:26.05`	`bbrazil`	`VPR5703: this is really not my area, I'd suggest restating the problem`
`01:26.06`	`beardy`	`Omega11: And you will go down first.`
`01:26.08`	`ambroseL`	`what's wrong with being female, anyway?`
`01:26.10`	`peterS`	`ke6isf: it. not he.`
`01:26.11`	`thingfish`	`tsk paces.`
`01:26.18`	`VPR5703`	`It is as simple as that though`
`01:26.21`	`Omega11`	`jno`
`01:26.22`	`ke6isf`	`peters: Yes, you're right, silly me. It.`
`01:26.25`	`Omega11`	`6/6/06`
`01:26.25`	`thingfish`	`nothing, as long as you are one, ambrose.`
`01:26.28`	`paces`	`thingfish: you have red colour in my client, so i can say 'she' :D`
`01:26.29`	`Omega11`	`that very skary`
`01:26.30`	`VPR5703`	`When it probes the IDE ports, it freezes and hangs.`
`01:26.31`	`zOap`	`the geek did go the #gentoo, but they was to ban him`
`01:26.35`	`peterS`	`Omega11: that's not very y2k compliant`
`01:26.37`	`thingfish`	`I mean ambroseL`
`01:26.47`	`beardy`	`ambroseL: Nothing.`
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`01:26.52`	`abrotman`	`peterS: i'm tempted to ask #fn to ops someone for the night`
`01:27.04`	`thingfish`	`paces: OK, sweetie, whatever.`
`01:27.10`	`paces`	`thingfish: :)`
`01:27.12`	`simone`	`tem algum brasileiro por aqui`
`01:27.13`	`beardy`	`abrotman: Best of luck. :)`
`01:27.14`	`ke6isf`	`abrotman: I say go for it.`
`01:27.15`	`peterS`	`abrotman: go out and party. drink 'til you forget the trolls`
`01:27.21`	`ke6isf`	`!br`
`01:27.22`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`01:27.27`	`peterS`	`abrotman: just don't drink and op. that would be, I dunno, bad`
`01:27.29`	`thingfish`	`all the damn ops are out getting drunk, the slackers.`
`01:27.30`	`abrotman`	`peterS: but i would never drink beer :)`
`01:27.32`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: That's definate.... I like geography... :) Only kansas city is enough :)`
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`01:27.52`	`sward`	`abrotman: Stout!`
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`01:28.03`	`Omega11`	`t`
`01:28.03`	`Omega11`	`h`
`01:28.04`	`Omega11`	`i`
`01:28.05`	`Omega11`	`s`
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`01:28.08`	`abrotman`	`yay!`
`01:28.09`	`peterS`	`abrotman: oh yeah, you have to wear your umbrella hat to the party`
`01:28.10`	`sward`	`Yay!`
`01:28.13`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`01:28.15`	`bbrazil`	`!beer debhelper`
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`01:28.21`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: do it again!`
`01:28.27`	`Omega11`	`this is boaring im going back to my new years celebration`
`01:28.29`	`Omega11`	`:)`
`01:28.32`	`abrotman`	`boring ..`
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`01:28.46`	`Omega11`	`gonna put down a few more shots`
`01:28.49`	`Omega11`	`then i'll be back`
`01:28.51`	`peterS`	`boaring would mean you're acting like a pig?`
`01:28.52`	`zOap`	`!hurray debhelper`
`01:28.54`	`zOap`	`naah:)`
`01:28.55`	`paces`	`what is 'celebration'? :D`
`01:28.55`	`abrotman`	`what amazes me most .. these kids live in the states .. and can't spell anything`
`01:28.55`	`thingfish`	`if your new years celebration were so hot, you wouldn't have /joined here.`
`01:28.57`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: Only my EN's not well :D`
`01:29.06`	`VPR5703`	`Hey I live in the states.`
`01:29.11`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: party for one!`
`01:29.18`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: so do i .. that's not my point`
`01:29.20`	`beardy`	`abrotman: Does it really amaze you?`
`01:29.21`	`VPR5703`	`oh`
`01:29.22`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: Představení ne?`
`01:29.23`	`ke6isf`	`May his computer self destruct.`
`01:29.28`	`thingfish`	`abrotman: they are releasing totally uneducated shitheads from high school these days.`
`01:29.34`	`VPR5703`	`yeap.`
`01:29.36`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: <Omega11> this is boaring .. how do you spell that word ?`
`01:29.41`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: i know what does it mean, but im kidding :) i never celebrate anything :)`
`01:29.41`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: Black Celebration... DEPECHE MODE ;)`
`01:29.41`	`thingfish`	`boring`
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`01:29.48`	`VPR5703`	`^ what he said`
`01:29.52`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: anything`
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`01:30.01`	`thingfish`	`depeche mode? don't give me group names, give me DJs.`
`01:30.02`	`ke6isf`	`May he puke his spleen out`
`01:30.03`	`simone`	`helppppppppppppppppppp`
`01:30.05`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: Oh, I'm sorry :-D`
`01:30.20`	`ke6isf`	`simone: Just ask your question, please. In english, if you don't mind.`
`01:30.22`	`peterS`	`there is no helpppppppppppppppp for ppp`
`01:30.25`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: PAUL VAN DYK :-D`
`01:30.32`	`paces`	`PVD rules`
`01:30.33`	`thingfish`	`!win SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`
`01:30.33`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, SIDEREAL-KNIGHT! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island!`
`01:30.40`	`ke6isf`	`simone: And the bronx cheer at the end of 'help' is bad form. =-)`
`01:30.42`	`simone`	`i brazilian`
`01:30.44`	`thingfish`	`ooh fire island, send me there!`
`01:30.45`	`paces`	`thingfish: Tiësto :)`
`01:30.49`	`peterS`	`ke6isf: right, that too`
`01:30.54`	`thingfish`	`paces: yes!!!`
`01:30.56`	`ke6isf`	`simone: Then you might ask in #debian-br, like dpkg said earlier.`
`01:30.57`	`paces`	`thingfish: :-)`
`01:30.58`	`thingfish`	`Digweed.`
`01:31.01`	`VPR5703`	`so am I to give up on installing Sarge?`
`01:31.02`	`simone`	`i don speak englisn`
`01:31.12`	`abrotman`	`simone: espanol?`
`01:31.14`	`ke6isf`	`!tell simone -about br`
`01:31.22`	`abrotman`	`oh . nm`
`01:31.25`	`zOap`	`simone, #debian-br`
`01:31.26`	`bbrazil`	`simone: Tente entrar em #debian-br`
`01:31.29`	`lekvar`	`thingfish: AFAICT if the public schools are releasing uneducated shitheads they're doing what they are designed (not advertised) to do...`
`01:31.31`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: What does it mean?`
`01:31.36`	`simone`	`how used debian.br`
`01:31.44`	`simone`	`???????????`
`01:31.46`	`peterS`	`/join #debian-br`
`01:31.47`	`bbrazil`	`simone: /join #debian-br`
`01:31.54`	`thingfish`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: John Digweed. The king of progressive/underground house.`
`01:32.18`	`paces`	`thingfish: you like house?`
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`01:32.27`	`thingfish`	`paces: very very much.`
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`01:32.30`	`acid-trip`	`!dpkg wine`
`01:32.30`	`dpkg`	`wine is probably at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.`
`01:32.35`	`BlackEntity`	`Debian r0ck0rz`
`01:32.38`	`thingfish`	`paces: protonradio.com`
`01:32.40`	`kspath`	`I had a college reading and vocabulary proven by required tests in 7th grade I actually degraded in High School`
`01:32.50`	`Supaplex`	`BlackEntity: well yeaw :p`
`01:32.54`	`ke6isf`	`kspath: Welcome to the club. =O.o=`
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`01:33.05`	`mrwill`	`gents, got a silly idea. supposing I set up a dns server, and then added it to my /etc/resolv.conf, and it gave different results than 'real' nameservers, what would happen? let's suppose further there are no collisions in the two namespaces... the union of the two sets is empty. so, only my nameserver can respond to certain queries, normal ones can't. what happens? does it mess everything up?`
`01:33.06`	`BlackEntity`	`I had a 6th grade readinmg level in kindergarden`
`01:33.17`	`paces`	`thingfish: sometimes i listen to di.fm :)`
`01:33.17`	`pipline`	`mrwill: Nope.`
`01:33.25`	`pipline`	`mrwill: It should work fine.`
`01:33.30`	`mrwill`	`pipline: really? holy shit!`
`01:33.30`	`peterS`	`mrwill: it'd be slow though`
`01:33.33`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: I don't know him.... My music is largely METAL....speed, heavy, trash, death, black, post-black etc.`
`01:33.38`	`thingfish`	`paces: I only listen to di.fm when protonradio.com is offline.`
`01:33.46`	`paces`	`thingfish: :-)`
`01:33.51`	`BlackEntity`	`debian is the universal operating system used in space ships`
`01:33.52`	`pipline`	`mrwill: You should, however, configure your DNS to answer first for its own things, and pass everything else up`
`01:33.53`	`thingfish`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: right, that's fine, just not my style.`
`01:33.53`	`paces`	`thingfish: i dont know protonradio.com :)`
`01:33.58`	`peterS`	`mrwill: what would be faster would be to install bind9 locally and configure it to forward certain domains to the alternative DNS server, and everything else to the standard ones`
`01:33.59`	`owh`	`abrotman: All the reading I've done so-far indicate that ALSA exists inside 2.6.x kernels, but that I need to install alsa-oss as a compatibility library for OSS-only applications. Am I understanding correctly that you are telling me that this is not true?`
`01:33.59`	`pipline`	`mrwill: Rather than leaving it to the client :P`
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`01:34.04`	`Supaplex`	`thingfish: I only listen to online radio when my ripped streams aren't with me :)`
`01:34.12`	`thingfish`	`paces: check them out. Very good underground/progressive house.`
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`01:34.25`	`paces`	`thingfish: i dont listen so much to these styles :)`
`01:34.28`	`beardy`	`BlackEntity: If that were true, we would have come much further by now..`
`01:34.29`	`npx`	`apt, chuck norris is not hung like a horse... horses are hung like Chuck Norris and currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs.`
`01:34.33`	`apt`	`okay, npx`
`01:34.34`	`peterS`	`owh: true except that it's not a "library" but a kernel module, named snd-pcm-oss`
`01:34.35`	`mrwill`	`peterS: right, because it might try all the normal nameservers first and wait for them to time out.`
`01:34.38`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: But I like PROGRESSIVE... like a PAUL VAN DYK - Not But You`
`01:34.41`	`peterS`	`owh: that too is already in your 2.6 kernel`
`01:34.42`	`thingfish`	`paces: lately they've had shows by chris fortier, lee burridge, danny howells...`
`01:34.45`	`BlackEntity`	`In debian I have to load snd-pcm-oss and mixer snd-mixer-oss or something on a standard install`
`01:34.50`	`peterS`	`mrwill: right, or vice versa for the other names`
`01:34.51`	`abrotman`	`owh: i thought you only had to load a module`
`01:34.54`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: Nothing`
`01:34.55`	`xsdg`	`npx: rofl`
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`01:35.19`	`peterS`	`mrwill: also it might not work at all since if it gets back a definite "name not found" response from one name server it might not check the next`
`01:35.27`	`peterS`	`mrwill: (as opposed to just a timeout from the first)`
`01:35.28`	`BlackEntity`	`But then I ask myself, what is a standard install?`
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`01:35.53`	`thingfish`	`well, a standard install is, what $(I) do.`
`01:35.55`	`mrwill`	`peterS: right... I like your local nameserver idea, that would probably work a lot better.`
`01:36.12`	`BlackEntity`	`Sop what you're saying is Debian isn't used in spaceships huh`
`01:36.13`	`npx`	`thingfish, it sez I command not found plz assist`
`01:36.14`	`Supaplex`	`do you want a caching name server or something?`
`01:36.21`	`peterS`	`thingfish: I: command not found`
`01:36.27`	`npx`	`hhahaha piss on you peter`
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`01:36.29`	`thingfish`	`you nuts`
`01:36.37`	`BlackEntity`	`Invalid command or filename.`
`01:36.43`	`npx`	`I hate you all`
`01:36.45`	`simone`	`my e-mail is discipuladejesus@hotmail.com`
`01:36.48`	`mrwill`	`Supaplex: nah, I prefixed this with 'silly' idea, I want to make a vpn, and have my own TLD's inside it. nuts, eh?`
`01:36.49`	`abrotman`	`owh: i have alsa compat .. buti don't have aoss installed .. there are modules for OSS emulation`
`01:36.49`	`npx`	`may chuck norris defecate on your chests`
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`01:36.52`	`Tarantulafudge`	`Anyone got any security tips besides cracklib? (i did that already), all the guides are sorta old`
`01:36.54`	`owh`	`Hmm, those modules are all loaded. The documentation I have suggests that I need to launch VMware like this: aoss vmware to make vmware work properly. The aoss script appears to consist of LD_PRELOAD=libaoss.so exec "$@", but libaoss.so doesn't exist on my system.`
`01:37.00`	`thingfish`	`ooh chuck norris, he's hot.`
`01:37.10`	`thingfish`	`but too hairy. Next!`
`01:37.18`	`simone`	`i wnat to speak with brazilian`
`01:37.29`	`sward`	`I'm not too hairy...`
`01:37.32`	`ke6isf`	`simone: /join #debian-br`
`01:37.36`	`Tarantulafudge`	`hello?`
`01:37.38`	`thingfish`	`simone: entao entre no #debian-br`
`01:37.43`	`sward`	`simone: #debian-br`
`01:37.48`	`BlackEntity`	`Who is logging this?`
`01:37.55`	`peterS`	`owh: so libaoss is the 'oss compatibility layer' thing. you may or may not need it at all - snd-pcm-oss might do what you want already. if you do need it (snd-pcm-oss is not convincing enough for vmware), you'll have to find libaoss somewhere after all`
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`01:38.04`	`darkcmd`	`does anyone know how I can setup the qt theme and color scheme without using KDE`
`01:38.10`	`sward`	`me, somewhere, oh, yeah, under ~/irclogs`
`01:38.16`	`ke6isf`	`!tell Tarantulafudge -about anyone`
`01:38.17`	`tjcoder`	`thingfish you gotta check this out... www.4q.cc/chuck/index.php?topthirty`
`01:38.17`	`peterS`	`BlackEntity: besides the FBI, the NSA and the Dept of Homeland Security? lots of us are`
`01:38.18`	`kspath`	`BlackEntity: EVERYONE!`
`01:38.24`	`tjcoder`	`thingfish chuck norris facts`
`01:38.41`	`_rene_`	`darkcmd: there's a package for that. qt-setup or something like that. use apt-cache`
`01:38.45`	`Tarantulafudge`	`ke6isf: or someone could answer my question :P`
`01:38.51`	`owh`	`peterS: Yeah, vmware isn't convinced. (Well, actually, it's not complaining at all, just not making any noise - other than the POST beep.)`
`01:38.58`	`ke6isf`	`!tell Tarantulafudge -about ask`
`01:39.00`	`zOap`	`simone, we told you allready, join #debian-br !!`
`01:39.03`	`Tarantulafudge`	`I did`
`01:39.10`	`ke6isf`	`Tarantulafudge: You ddin't read the 'ask' factoid.`
`01:39.10`	`thingfish`	`tjcoder: those factoids are scaring me, now I won't be able to sleep tonight.`
`01:39.11`	`Tarantulafudge`	`ok lemme rephrase it`
`01:39.22`	`BlackEntity`	This is the time `FBI' enters, says We were already log you" then leaves
`01:39.32`	`peterS`	`owh: 'apt-cache search libaoss' will tell you much`
`01:39.35`	`abrotman`	`where is thc ?`
`01:39.44`	`BlackEntity`	`A drug`
`01:39.55`	`BlackEntity`	`Or some important part in one`
`01:39.56`	`thingfish`	`abrotman: off being disgruntled somewhere, no doubt.`
`01:39.56`	`ke6isf`	`abrotman: In marijuana.`
`01:39.59`	`Tarantulafudge`	`I need some security tips for running a full blooded webserver, I've already done the cracklib thing, so what else is there left to check? (the guides are pretty old)`
`01:40.00`	`tjcoder`	`thingfish yeah.... isn't that horrible?`
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`01:40.19`	`ParoXsitiC`	`Hello`
`01:40.37`	`zOap`	`BlackEntity, What is your question? Is it related to debian?`
`01:40.38`	`abrotman`	`!securing debian`
`01:40.39`	`dpkg`	`hmm... securing debian is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html`
`01:40.39`	`owh`	`peterS, hmm, that brings me back to my original question which was: "Happy new year. I'm trying to do: apt-get install alsa-oss. This results in a notification that the following will be REMOVED: bcm5700-module-2.6.11-1-686 initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686 - except that AFAIK that's my current kernel. Can someone hit me with a clue-bat and help me figure out what is going on?"`
`01:40.42`	`dn[css]Senti`	`I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction to fix video configuration`
`01:40.50`	`thingfish`	`oh you don't NEED no damn plugins`
`01:40.53`	`zOap`	`!ask`
`01:40.53`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
`01:40.55`	`dvsdude`	`abrotman, the apps a mame frontend will try a gtk or ncurses one thants for your help HAPPY NEW YEAR`
`01:40.58`	`ke6isf`	`dn[css]Senti: If you tell us what the problems are, sure.`
`01:40.59`	`kspath`	`Remember the old days when FBI had NO clue about computing or anything but law enforcement and some elements of the law?`
`01:41.13`	`abrotman`	`dvsdude: ah ok`
`01:41.16`	`kspath`	`oh secret service might be logging as well`
`01:41.23`	`ke6isf`	`kspath: They still have no idea about computing, if what the media says is any indication.`
`01:41.34`	`ParoXsitiC`	`I am trying to find all files ending with .cache and then renaming them to without the .cache extenstion; I have this so far... find /home/admin/ -name '*.cache' -exec mv {} echo -n {} \| sed 's/.cache//g' \;`
`01:41.35`	`BlackEntity`	`Now playing: Right Hand - Gripping my penis (and moving up and down (2001)) @ 192 strokes per second.`
`01:41.35`	`dn[css]Senti`	`I just installed debian and configured my video card incorrectly so x will not start`
`01:41.36`	`darkcmd`	`only 3 hours and 19 minutes left`
`01:41.36`	`thingfish`	`kspath: yes, and now, undoubtedly, you're on their "list".`
`01:41.37`	`kspath`	`SS was great with Steve Jackson Games`
`01:41.39`	`ke6isf`	`kspath: Of course, the media...well, I could start on them.`
`01:41.41`	`peterS`	`owh: interesting, I didn't see that original question. I wonder why it would decide to remove stuff. use 'aptitude install' instead of 'apt-get install' and then, at least, you'll get better reasons`
`01:41.47`	`kspath`	`the list`
`01:41.56`	`blondie`	`BlackEntity: I log all of IRC`
`01:42.01`	`blondie`	`every channel`
`01:42.05`	`blondie`	`every network`
`01:42.05`	`blondie`	`!`
`01:42.20`	`dn[css]Senti`	`version of debian is ebian-31r0a`
`01:42.21`	`sward`	`darkcmd: 3 hours and 19 minutes? Use UTC!`
`01:42.26`	`zOap`	`blondie, #snuff too?:D`
`01:42.30`	`SamTheEagle`	`Stop Being Unamerican!`
`01:42.35`	`*** part/#debian SamTheEagle (i=ke6isf@hibachi.chez-vrolet.net)`
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`01:42.43`	`ParoXsitiC`	`I am trying to find all files ending with .cache and then renaming them to without the .cache extenstion; I have this so far... find /home/admin/ -name '*.cache' -exec mv {} echo -n {} \| sed 's/.cache//g' \;`
`01:42.43`	`kspath`	`I never did anything wrong but there is no way to avoid getting on lists anyway paranoid people exist they are scared of anyone that knows more than they do about anything almost except maybe knitting scarves`
`01:42.58`	`darkcmd`	`I'mg GMT -5`
`01:42.58`	`dn[css]Senti`	`I am just wondering where the config file is for the video driver`
`01:43.07`	`thingfish`	`kspath is obviously guilty of something.`
`01:43.09`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: LOL.... USA.... which nation? :)`
`01:43.13`	`owh`	`peterS: I wish: aptitude reports" The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: bcm5700-module-2.6.11-1-686 initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686"`
`01:43.18`	`peterS`	`dn[css]Senti: generally /etc/X11/XF86Config-4`
`01:43.38`	`ke6isf`	`dn[css]Senti: Yes, but what is the problem?`
`01:43.43`	`thingfish`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: please put away the pernod, take an aspirin, and go to bed.`
`01:43.51`	`peterS`	`owh: oh, I guess it's just the etch/sid version of aptitude that gives more information. anyway you can run 'aptitude' interactively, that's usually a bit more satisfying`
`01:43.56`	`ke6isf`	`!tell dn[css]Senti -about drxx`
`01:44.07`	`sward`	`darkcmd: UTC == a time everyone can relate to, very good for use on the intarweb`
`01:44.11`	`dn[css]Senti`	`Peter it isn't loading GUI for debian`
`01:44.16`	`dn[css]Senti`	`just drops me to term`
`01:44.17`	`bbrazil`	`ParoXsitiC: rename 's/.cache$//' *.cache`
`01:44.32`	`ParoXsitiC`	`thank you`
`01:44.39`	`ke6isf`	`dn[css]Senti: Thank you. Follow the instruction that dpkg just sent you, courtesy of yours truly.`
`01:44.45`	`owh`	`peterS: But fundamentally, there must be something else going on that is causing this, don't you think?`
`01:44.46`	`bbrazil`	`ParoXsitiC: If you need subdirs, use find+xargs`
`01:44.49`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`thingfish: Good idea...`
`01:44.55`	`paces`	`thingfish: lool`
`01:45.12`	`thingfish`	`whatever happened to nice nicks, like fluffybunny or littleangel...`
`01:45.12`	`peterS`	`owh: something is conflicting with something. or aptitude might be confused by a complicated dependency web.`
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`01:45.26`	`ke6isf`	`thingfish: Welcome to freenode.`
`01:45.34`	`owh`	`peterS: But the stuff that it wants to remove is my current kernel AFAIK.`
`01:45.38`	`dn[css]Senti`	`Thank you I will play around with it`
`01:45.47`	`peterS`	`owh: I'm actually thinking this is unlikely to have anything to do with alsa-oss itself - probably just something apt / aptitude decided it needed to do anyway, in order to resolve some unresolved issue already present`
`01:45.55`	`thingfish`	`ke6isf: it can be such a shock to the system, I'll swear.`
`01:46.14`	`owh`	`peterS: apt-get -f install tells me there is nothing to do.`
`01:46.21`	`thingfish`	`ooh, sward, I got my eye on you...`
`01:46.22`	`peterS`	`thingfish: I think nontechnical networks are more likely to sport such nicks. maybe AIM`
`01:46.27`	`ke6isf`	`I should take a break from this. It's interrupting my ability to learn Perl.`
`01:46.36`	`fluffybunny`	`eeep`
`01:46.51`	`peterS`	`owh: I'm confused then, alsa-oss doesn't have much in the way of Depends and Conflicts, and I don't see anything that would cause a problem`
`01:47.02`	`owh`	`peterS: You and me both :)`
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`01:47.15`	`peterS`	`owh: like I said, interactive aptitude will probably solve the mystery, if you know how to use it`
`01:47.31`	`owh`	`peterS: Never have, but I'll take it under advice :-)`
`01:48.11`	`peterS`	`owh: it's got a menu bar for if you don't already know the keystrokes for stuff. good luck.`
`01:48.29`	`thingfish`	`how's this sound: first we brown the chicken in hot oil. then we add some tomato paste, and shortly after, some curry paste. then we add chicken broth, let it simmer for a couple hours, then add some chopped garlic and basil. serve over rice.`
`01:48.32`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`apt-get remove SIDEREAL-KNIGHT && apt-get update && apt-get install thick_head && echo bye`
`01:48.55`	`sward`	`thingfish: That sounds like food`
`01:48.59`	`peterS`	`owh: (basically type "/alsa-oss<enter>" to search for it, then "+" to select it, then "g" to confirm selections and "g" again to install)`
`01:49.02`	`sward`	`Any food is welcome`
`01:49.15`	`thingfish`	`sward: good, 'cause that's what I'm going to fix.`
`01:49.32`	`peterS`	`thingfish: did you drain the oil at any point?`
`01:49.40`	`Tarantulafudge`	`ke6isf: still hasn't received an answeR`
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`01:49.47`	`beardy`	`thingfish: Opened a food place yet?`
`01:49.51`	`abrotman`	`you know .. if the US FCC would allow porn on primetime tv .. we wouldn't have all these senseless reality TV crap shows`
`01:49.54`	`thingfish`	`peterS: ooh yes, I'll need to do that, won't I.`
`01:50.02`	`sward`	`Gah, drain oil!? What happened to decent greasy food?`
`01:50.05`	`thingfish`	`beardy: heh no, not quite yet.`
`01:50.10`	`dn[css]Senti`	`What is the Generic Driver for an Intel Based Vid Card in Deb`
`01:50.10`	`abrotman`	`right .. random thoughts from abrotman ..`
`01:50.12`	`dn[css]Senti`	`What is the Generic Driver for an Intel Based Vid Card in Deb?`
`01:50.19`	`abrotman`	`i810`
`01:50.22`	`thingfish`	`I'd love to have a small bar/restaurant.`
`01:50.23`	`peterS`	`thingfish: also did you dice the chicken or leave it in whole breasts or what?`
`01:50.33`	`dn[css]Senti`	`so I can edit it to i810 in the Driver section?`
`01:50.47`	`peterS`	`dn[css]Senti: better idea is 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and don't touch the file directly at all`
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`01:50.57`	`abrotman`	`!drxx dn[css]Senti`
`01:50.58`	`dpkg`	`dn[css]Senti: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
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`01:51.04`	`thingfish`	`peterS: it's going to be taken off the bone, left in larger than dice chunks.`
`01:51.06`	LilAero`[iDLe]^R	`I'm trying to turn a FAT32 partition on my Linux drive into an ext3, I've been having problems with the distro before (mepis) and the bootup crashed and screwed up the partition, how could I go about getting the files off of the hard drive?`
`01:51.21`	`peterS`	`thingfish: nod. could've gone either way, so I had to know`
`01:51.22`	`abrotman`	`#mepis`
`01:51.24`	`thingfish`	`I hate to do it, but I'm leaving the skin in there because I love chicken skin so much.`
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`01:51.52`	`beardy`	LilAero`[iDLe]^R: Could you please chop half your nick off?
`01:51.57`	`darkcmd`	`chickenskin tastes great`
`01:51.57`	`peterS`	`why do you hate to leave the skin? I love chicken skin too`
`01:51.59`	`thingfish`	`hehe beardy`
`01:52.11`	`thingfish`	`peterS: well they say it's so bad for you.`
`01:52.15`	`dn[css]Senti`	`Thank you`
`01:52.17`	`peterS`	`oh? I hadn't heard that`
`01:52.29`	`darkcmd`	`oh well`
`01:52.33`	`beardy`	LilAero`[iDLe]^R: You can't convert a fat32/vfat filesystem to an ext3 filesystem, you have to copy/move the files to somewhere else, create the ext3 fs and move the files back.
`01:52.35`	`darkcmd`	`I'm not going to let a bunch of guys tell me what to eat`
`01:52.38`	`thingfish`	`of course! It's loaded with cholesterol.`
`01:52.44`	`gnomefreak`	`i cant seem to get /usr/bin/local/linux_logo < /etc/motd not work :(`
`01:52.44`	`sward`	`hmmmm, chicken skin`
`01:52.45`	`abrotman`	`peterS: cause you live in the country .. where you live .. only eating the feathers is considered unhealthy :)`
`01:52.47`	`darkcmd`	`unless they said "here, eat this nugget of plutonium."`
`01:52.50`	`darkcmd`	`then i'd say no`
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`01:52.53`	`thingfish`	`think of how much red wine you have to drink to heal yourself of the damage.`
`01:52.59`	`gb`	`why isit always they?`
`01:53.07`	`peterS`	`abrotman: now now. I live at $(host -t loc p12n.org), TYVM`
`01:53.11`	`gnomefreak`	`*>`
`01:53.12`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`01:53.18`	`gb`	`rather then specifying who they is`
`01:53.23`	`peterS`	`abrotman: punch that into google maps and you can stalk me`
`01:53.31`	`sward`	`the best "skin" has to be pork crackling`
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`01:53.41`	`thingfish`	`ooh pork cracklings, yummy`
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`01:53.55`	`abrotman`	`peterS: stalk your server you mean? :)`
`01:54.03`	`thingfish`	`I'm from hicksville, USA, don't tell me about pork cracklings.`
`01:54.07`	`peterS`	`abrotman: well, my server lives about 3 feet away from me, so either way`
`01:54.13`	`beardy`	`And he called himself idler.. heh.`
`01:54.29`	`gnomefreak`	`ok lets try this why is my /usr/local/bin empty?`
`01:54.45`	`abrotman`	`peterS: holy poo .. you're like center of the city`
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`01:54.54`	`gb`	`gnomefreak: is this a trick question?`
`01:54.55`	`paces`	`bye`
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`01:55.05`	`Pygi`	`gb: no, it's not :P`
`01:55.07`	`peterS`	`abrotman: not quite a country boy`
`01:55.08`	`thingfish`	`good night, paces. Happy New Year!`
`01:55.08`	`gnomefreak`	`gb no it isnt :(`
`01:55.16`	`sleepsleep`	`hi sorry,`
`01:55.20`	`abrotman`	`peterS: you live in a funny state!`
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`01:55.24`	`paces`	`happy new year 11111010110 ;)`
`01:55.25`	`gnomefreak`	`i cant get this damn thing to work to save my life every command i use is wrong`
`01:55.27`	`beardy`	`thingfish: Goodnight.`
`01:55.29`	`thingfish`	`country boys are way fun.`
`01:55.30`	`sleepsleep`	`is that possible for me to seek a help here?`
`01:55.37`	`gb`	`abrotman: intoxicated?`
`01:55.38`	`peterS`	`abrotman: downtown is 2-3 miles away, but it's hard to say where the actual center of the city is, what with housing developments kind of stretching out in all directions`
`01:55.44`	`abrotman`	`gb: i would NEVER!`
`01:55.48`	`beardy`	`sleepsleep: If it's realated to Debian, just ask.`
`01:55.51`	`paces`	`thingfish: thanks, same to you ;) maybe we'll see each other again :)`
`01:55.53`	`beardy`	`related`
`01:56.01`	`thingfish`	`paces: I'm in here, always.`
`01:56.02`	`abrotman`	`peterS: ah ok`
`01:56.06`	`sleepsleep`	`omg, it is related to bit torrent, i wonder if that is possible.`
`01:56.08`	`paces`	`thingfish: okay ;) bye`
`01:56.15`	`thingfish`	`good night, paces!`
`01:56.17`	`paces`	`gn to all`
`01:56.29`	`beardy`	`sleepsleep: Do you run Debian on the system you are going to ask about?`
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`01:56.31`	`gb`	`abrotman: heard that was a funny state too be in`
`01:56.36`	`gnomefreak`	`ok im trying to set up linuxlogo and i cant get started its just not working`
`01:56.43`	`sleepsleep`	`sorry, i am using sinking ship. xp`
`01:56.45`	`thingfish`	`there is nothing funny about pennsylvania.`
`01:56.52`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: actually .. there is`
`01:56.54`	`peterS`	`gnomefreak: step one, apt-get install linuxlogo. step two, type 'linux_logo'`
`01:57.02`	`sleepsleep`	`i want to change system to linux or bsd.. but somehow i am poison`
`01:57.06`	`beardy`	`sleepsleep: Then this is not the place to ask, try ##windows (?)`
`01:57.07`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: for instance .. the giant clothespin .. and a town named intercourse in the center of amish country`
`01:57.09`	`gb`	`!not working`
`01:57.10`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
`01:57.13`	`gnomefreak`	`well damn`
`01:57.16`	`sleepsleep`	`k, thanks beardy`
`01:57.18`	`thingfish`	`abrotman: well maybe a little, but you have to admit, pennsylvania is not near as funny as new jersey.`
`01:57.22`	`sleepsleep`	`see ya beardy`
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`01:57.31`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: there's nothing funny about NJ .. it's just sad :)`
`01:57.31`	`gnomefreak`	`i tried linuxlogo and everyother way to do it :(`
`01:57.34`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`01:57.36`	`gnomefreak`	`ty peterrooney`
`01:57.50`	`gnomefreak`	`ty peterS`
`01:57.51`	`peterS`	`gnomefreak: note, 'dpkg -L linuxlogo \| grep bin/' is a good way to see how to run stuff you've installed`
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`01:58.07`	`beardy`	`sleepsleep: Browse to debian.org if you want to try Debian`
`01:58.10`	`*** part/#debian TheBlueWizard (i=TheBlueW@ts001d0602.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net)`
`01:58.16`	`beardy`	`hm`
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`01:58.31`	`gnomefreak`	`ty so much :)`
`01:58.42`	`peterS`	`np`
`01:58.50`	`abrotman`	`peterS: how many airports are there ?`
`01:59.11`	`peterS`	`abrotman: one commercial, ICT, which is at the SW corner of town`
`01:59.21`	`abrotman`	`there are like 10 around the city`
`01:59.27`	`peterS`	`abrotman: McConnell AFB is in the SE corner, and Jabara Airport is in the NE corner but is just for noncommercial stuff`
`01:59.30`	`thingfish`	`I could tell you if I started up fs2004`
`01:59.38`	`peterS`	`abrotman: oh yeah, Cessna has one too and I think Boeing does`
`01:59.44`	`*** join/#debian g0th (n=jonas@80-219-15-241.dclient.hispeed.ch)`
`01:59.46`	`g0th`	`hi`
`01:59.59`	`beardy`	`thingfish: Do you run it natively, or in wine, if wine, does it work well?`
`02:00.01`	`g0th`	`I can't use my "alt gr" keys anymore after a debian update`
`02:00.13`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`02:00.16`	`g0th`	`so I can't write mails, can't write scripts etc`
`02:00.16`	`_rene_`	`sid? welcome there.`
`02:00.32`	`thingfish`	`beardy: <sigh> no, I run it in windows. I don't think either wine or cedega handle it yet.`
`02:00.34`	`_rene_`	`try a dist-upgrade again. maybe you got hit by the xlibs/xlibs-data upgrade problem`
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`02:00.46`	`beardy`	`thingfish: ok`
`02:00.56`	`g0th`	`._rene_: me?`
`02:00.57`	`casterman`	`ai cambada c num bebe nao`
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`02:01.05`	`sward`	`g0th: Obviously you can do some things, like replace 'o' with '0'...`
`02:01.08`	`casterman`	`o loco`
`02:01.09`	`thingfish`	`casterman: #debian-br`
`02:01.13`	`_rene_`	`no. santa. who has X problems?`
`02:01.16`	`casterman`	`toma umas cana ai`
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`02:01.36`	`casterman`	`thingfish, c e br`
`02:01.37`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`02:01.37`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`02:01.40`	`thingfish`	`que loucura`
`02:01.43`	`casterman`	`o vei vai chapa`
`02:01.52`	`casterman`	`eu tro maio mamado`
`02:01.54`	`g0th`	`sward: yeah, but no "at", "comment",e tc`
`02:01.56`	`casterman`	`hehe`
`02:02.05`	`thingfish`	`idiota`
`02:02.14`	`casterman`	`donkey`
`02:02.16`	`bbrazil`	`!br`
`02:02.16`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`02:02.16`	`casterman`	`huahua`
`02:02.20`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`02:02.28`	`sward`	`g0th: ahem I apologise, but I have no problem. What keymap do you use?`
`02:02.39`	`casterman`	`bbrazil, isa ai pessoal br debian mo gente boa`
`02:02.48`	`g0th`	`donno`
`02:02.52`	`g0th`	`I suppose sg-latin1`
`02:02.54`	`casterman`	`br very nice`
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`02:02.58`	`bbrazil`	`200 and 201.x.x.x are usually brazil imo`
`02:02.59`	`_rene_`	`shrugs`
`02:03.02`	`g0th`	`I selected swiss german`
`02:03.10`	`g0th`	`donno what keymap debian selected`
`02:03.15`	`_rene_`	`did you try a second dist-upgrade?`
`02:03.16`	`Christians4GNT2`	`happy new year`
`02:03.21`	`beardy`	`g0th: Which country are you from, or which keymap does your keyboard have?`
`02:03.22`	`g0th`	`yes`
`02:03.23`	`casterman`	`bbrazil, yes`
`02:03.30`	`g0th`	`switzerland`
`02:03.31`	`bbrazil`	`casterman: Eu n�o falo portugu�s. Tente entrar em #debian-br`
`02:03.37`	`g0th`	`so I suppose sg-latin1`
`02:03.43`	`casterman`	`Gokee2, loco maluco`
`02:03.54`	`casterman`	`bbrazil, so robo`
`02:03.55`	`beardy`	`!keymap`
`02:03.55`	`dpkg`	`To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx`
`02:04.03`	`_rene_`	`shrugs, ok, if you don't want help...`
`02:04.17`	`g0th`	`wow`
`02:04.19`	`casterman`	`feliz natal`
`02:04.23`	`g0th`	`that was a nice summary :))`
`02:04.28`	`_rene_`	`that alt-gr problem is one of the symptoms of the xlibs/xlibs-data file conflict but if you don�t want to answer...`
`02:04.41`	`g0th`	`sorry`
`02:04.46`	`g0th`	`I tried a dist-upgrade`
`02:04.47`	`casterman`	`any date`
`02:04.53`	`casterman`	`anyone date`
`02:05.15`	`casterman`	`here 23:9`
`02:05.17`	`g0th`	`_rene_: what didn't I answer from your questions?`
`02:05.20`	`owh`	`peterS, abrotman, the problem was this: initrd-tools conflicted with the version of libc6 that was being installed, that cause the rest to also be removed. Upgrading initrd-tools, then installing alsa-oss made the problem go away :-)`
`02:05.21`	`casterman`	`here 23:59`
`02:05.30`	`casterman`	`2005 here`
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`02:05.32`	`casterman`	`huahua`
`02:05.34`	`peterS`	`owh: ha, that'd do it`
`02:05.38`	`beardy`	`casterman: /join #debian.br`
`02:05.49`	`peterS`	`casterman: you need to fix your clock, you're about 6 minutes behind`
`02:05.51`	`casterman`	`beardy, i like here`
`02:05.53`	`owh`	`peterS: What I don't get is why apt couldn't figure that out :)`
`02:05.54`	`peterS`	`casterman: in other words, happy 2006 already`
`02:05.58`	`casterman`	`here is good`
`02:06.00`	`casterman`	`nice`
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`02:06.17`	`g0th`	`_rene_ the update inclduded a switch from x.org 6.8.? to 6.9.0`
`02:06.18`	`casterman`	`natal is googd`
`02:06.18`	`owh`	`casterman: It's morning already, been 2006 for 12 hours and 36 minutes already :-)`
`02:06.20`	`peterS`	`owh: it found a valid solution to the conflicts, just not the best solution`
`02:06.29`	`casterman`	`206 now`
`02:06.30`	`owh`	`peterS: ROTFL`
`02:06.34`	`casterman`	`uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa`
`02:06.38`	`casterman`	`2006`
`02:06.42`	`casterman`	`:)`
`02:06.46`	`casterman`	`i donkey`
`02:06.51`	`casterman`	`huahua`
`02:07.00`	`beardy`	`casterman: The language used here is english, and the channels main purpose is for people to ask questions, as good questions as they can, and for other people to answer them. So please behave. Happy new year.`
`02:07.08`	`sward`	`Yep, casterman is a donkey, did you all see him just admit it?`
`02:07.31`	`casterman`	`flows to all`
`02:07.32`	`peterS`	o/~ should auld acquaintance be forgot and never brought to mind? poor casterman was kicked for flood, he's in a sorry bind o/`
`02:07.43`	`_rene_`	`g0th: tell news...`
`02:07.55`	`abrotman`	`peterS: no AMA award for you :)`
`02:07.59`	`sward`	`heh`
`02:08.03`	`peterS`	`abrotman: I wasn't really hoping for one`
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`02:08.05`	`g0th`	`_rene_: is this the problem you mentioned?`
`02:08.05`	`casterman`	`t+`
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`02:08.20`	`g0th`	`_rene_: if yes, is there an easy solution to it?`
`02:08.25`	`peterS`	`abrotman: one has to think on one's feet and someones one doesn't produce the quality one would like`
`02:08.37`	`peterS`	`s/someones/sometimes/`
`02:08.57`	`abrotman`	`peterS: yeah .. i think that happens to me sometimes!`
`02:09.00`	`_rene_`	`g0th: if a second dist-upgrade (and of course X restart) doesn't fix it, then no, that isn't that problem`
`02:09.24`	`abrotman`	`isn't this in the X Faq ?`
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`02:09.57`	`g0th`	`I try it again, but a dist-upgrade just showed one package upgrade and that was about ndiswrapper`
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`02:12.42`	`g0th`	`re`
`02:12.59`	`g0th`	`I tried to restart x, no change. But it seems that it works in the consoles...`
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`02:13.11`	`g0th`	`just not in x, it seems...`
`02:13.12`	`thingfish`	`Diazepam. Now isn't that a nice nick?`
`02:13.13`	`abrotman`	`!xsf`
`02:13.14`	`dpkg`	`[xsf] the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml`
`02:13.14`	`_rene_`	`ok, as said, then it's not that problem`
`02:13.20`	`g0th`	`yep`
`02:13.22`	`g0th`	`!keymap`
`02:13.22`	`dpkg`	`To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx`
`02:13.38`	`abrotman`	`g0th: this? http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#ltkeys`
`02:13.54`	`beardy`	`g0th: /msg dpkg something`
`02:15.05`	`_rene_`	`but you really should think whether sid is right for you...`
`02:15.17`	`g0th`	`yeah it is`
`02:15.23`	`g0th`	`I used it for a loong time`
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`02:15.28`	`g0th`	`never had problems with that`
`02:15.32`	`g0th`	`just after the last upgrade`
`02:15.47`	`erc`	`!java`
`02:15.47`	`dpkg`	`from memory, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>.`
`02:15.56`	`g0th`	`sthg is f****d up`
`02:16.08`	`abrotman`	`g0th: URL didn't help ?`
`02:16.09`	`g0th`	`abrotman: no, not that`
`02:16.12`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`02:16.36`	`erc`	`!install java`
`02:16.37`	`dpkg`	`First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package.`
`02:16.43`	`_rene_`	`not necessarily. maybe only Xs behaviour changes. or your config is fucked up and just happens to work, or there really is a bug`
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`02:17.05`	`erc`	`!java-package`
`02:17.06`	`_rene_`	`that you ran sid without problems some time doesn't say anything about whether you should run it`
`02:17.06`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre--linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i .deb;`
`02:17.06`	`factor`	`how do I use dpkg -i to purge a package if it wont purge?`
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`02:17.17`	`abrotman`	`-P`
`02:17.20`	`abrotman`	`erc: /msg dpkg java`
`02:17.29`	`_rene_`	`because stuff like that happens in sid all the time - or at least can and will happen. that's why sid is "unstable"`
`02:17.35`	`factor`	`I need to totaly remove exim4 from my system andstart over.`
`02:17.40`	`abrotman`	`-P`
`02:17.41`	`_rene_`	`just to mention that...`
`02:18.13`	`jaybar`	`how do i get rid of adjtime... read the wrong file now im getting screwed superblock probs cause my time is muffed`
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`02:19.09`	`factor`	`why would not a dpkg --purge exim4 remove the files totaly from my system?`
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`02:20.15`	`g0th`	`hmm, I don't find my exact keyboard on xkeycaps, it's a laptop`
`02:20.18`	`_rene_`	`factor: because the exim4 config files are not in exim4?`
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`02:20.37`	`_rene_`	`s/config files/conffiles/`
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`02:20.54`	`beardy`	`g0th: Take the closest one, or try them all.`
`02:20.55`	`factor`	`_rene_ well the exim4 binary is still in the file system as well`
`02:20.56`	`thingfish`	`the stoneder you are, the longer it takes chicken to brown.`
`02:21.08`	`factor`	`_rene_ nothing wasremoved.`
`02:21.09`	`aeronadix`	`I am having trouble playing real files in mozilla, its strange cause it used to play just fine, and now all of suddence it doesn't, what can I do?`
`02:21.21`	`_rene_`	`then you didn't remove/purge anything`
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`02:21.38`	`stouset`	`Anyone know why might wireless card seems to be very adamant about assigning itself to an essid of "et", when no such AP exists (according to iwlist scanning), and I manually set it to another essid?`
`02:21.41`	`_rene_`	`you of course need to specify avery package in the exim4* dependency chain you want to have removed`
`02:21.49`	`factor`	`_rene_ but if I do a a-get remove or dpkg --purge it says not installed`
`02:22.02`	`stouset`	`Within 10-20 seconds of me assigning it an essid manually, it always goes back.`
`02:22.09`	`g0th`	`beardy: what do I need to save to restore my original settings?`
`02:22.26`	`factor`	`_rene_ well how can I reconfigure the exim4 package so I can get it to do only local mail`
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`02:22.57`	`micahf`	`hey any hints on getting my modem recognized?`
`02:23.02`	`sward`	`factor: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config`
`02:23.20`	`factor`	`that s it thanks`
`02:23.32`	`kspath`	`systeminstaller (1.04-2) Creates Linux distribution images from a set of packages I can use this to create my own custom ISOs ?`
`02:23.33`	`beardy`	`g0th: I don't know. Does it say which one is used now? Write the name down if it does.`
`02:24.05`	`abrotman`	`micahf: linmodems.org`
`02:24.12`	`abrotman`	`micahf: assuming it's nto a real modem`
`02:24.43`	`g0th`	`it doesn't tell anything and just assumes a global standard (ie. 101)`
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`02:25.38`	`g0th`	`in my xorg.conf I selected model 105 layout de_CH`
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`02:26.25`	`g0th`	`but it's not in the list of xkeycaps`
`02:26.35`	`g0th`	`!keymap`
`02:26.36`	`dpkg`	`To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx`
`02:26.37`	`beardy`	`g0th: And you config hasn't changed? When upgrading (shouldn't have, but take a look anyway)`
`02:26.49`	`g0th`	`no I don't think so`
`02:26.58`	`g0th`	`well it never asked, so it didn't`
`02:27.25`	`beardy`	`g0th: Send a private msg to dpkg and ask the factoid instead, /msg dpkg keymap, if it's only for yourself.`
`02:27.35`	`g0th`	`thanks`
`02:27.36`	`g0th`	`sorry`
`02:27.45`	`beardy`	`np`
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`02:28.26`	`g0th`	`if I want to change my X keymap, don't I have to change xorg.conf?`
`02:28.48`	`g0th`	`it tells me to use xmodmap, but shouldn't one change the xorg.conf file?`
`02:29.37`	`beardy`	`g0th: It says 'ask me about "set up x"' first, so`
`02:29.41`	`sward`	`Use xmodmap to test. I believe you can even have a ~/xorg.conf to test, when running X from the same user`
`02:29.42`	`beardy`	`!drxx g0th`
`02:29.42`	`dpkg`	`g0th: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`02:29.44`	`beardy`	`first`
`02:30.03`	`micahf`	`I think it is`
`02:30.07`	`micahf`	`I mean, I'm guessing it is, it's a PCI card with quite a bit of stuff on it`
`02:30.45`	`g0th`	`beardy: yeah, well that's basically the same as dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`02:31.06`	`g0th`	`ohh!!`
`02:31.19`	`g0th`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:31.23`	`g0th`	`eii!`
`02:31.26`	`abrotman`	`liable: don't you ever sleep ?`
`02:31.40`	`beardy`	`g0th: Didn't you run xorg?`
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`02:32.09`	`balc`	`anyone here install a lexmark printer onto a debian box before?`
`02:32.24`	`g0th`	`I'm running xorg`
`02:32.27`	`abrotman`	`balc: probably. . are you having a problem?`
`02:32.28`	`beardy`	`balc: Perhaps. Ask the question instead.`
`02:32.30`	`g0th`	`beardy: for a while`
`02:32.43`	`beardy`	`g0th: Then read what dpkg said and try again.`
`02:33.19`	`g0th`	`"For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer." <- tried that ?`
`02:33.47`	`g0th`	`arg`
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`02:34.00`	`g0th`	`-xorg`
`02:34.00`	`balc`	`ok so i follow the faqs on the net, download the drivers from lexmarks site convert them to debian packages with alien and go through all the motions. the gnome printer setup can see the printer on the first USB port, but when i try to print a testpage... nothing.`
`02:34.26`	`balc`	`i know thats kind of vague`
`02:34.32`	`jaybar`	`i need someone who knows about the debian clock and adjustime comand ...mine is borked!`
`02:34.41`	`balc`	`i used ldconfig and everything`
`02:34.44`	`stouset`	`jaybar: aptitude install ntpdate?`
`02:35.04`	`beardy`	`!set the time`
`02:35.05`	`dpkg`	`To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.`
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`02:35.41`	`jaybar`	`stouset: beardy : thx guys i will look into them..`
`02:36.04`	`balc`	`after ldconfig i type"/usr/lib/cups/backend/z600"`
`02:36.19`	`balc`	`and should see something like "direct z600:/dev/usb/lp0 "Lexmark Lexmark 510 Series" "Lexmark Printer"`
`02:36.20`	`balc`	`"`
`02:36.23`	`jaybar`	`will ntp get rid of this darn adjtime file in my /etc dir.`
`02:36.30`	`balc`	`but i get no response in console`
`02:36.39`	`abrotman`	`balc: where does the page go ?`
`02:37.04`	`balc`	`it doesnt even show up in the printer queue`
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`02:37.15`	`g0th`	`beardy: well anyway, I did so many changes to xorg.conf manually that I don't want to run this over dpkg-reconfigure, it worked well until now, do you really think that it's because of the xserver-xorg configuration?? As the xorg.conf file didn't change, so....`
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`02:38.12`	`g0th`	`hmm, xmd5`
`02:38.13`	`g0th`	`ohh`
`02:38.22`	`abrotman`	`balc: and you checked the logs ?`
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`02:38.38`	`balc`	`how?`
`02:39.22`	`balc`	`"tail -f /var/log/cups/*log" ?`
`02:39.36`	`abrotman`	`well .. it could be another log .. check the time stamps`
`02:39.39`	`beardy`	`g0th: Copy your current config file to a safe place and have dpkg-reconfigure make you a new one and see if that makes a difference?`
`02:39.50`	`g0th`	`yeah, trying now`
`02:40.02`	`g0th`	`then if it works I can apply the old changes one by one`
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`02:40.14`	`balc`	`backup which config file?`
`02:40.28`	`balc`	`nm wasnt directed at me`
`02:40.31`	`beardy`	`jaybar: /msg dpkg adjtime, not sure if that is your problem though`
`02:40.36`	`liable`	`abrotman: its lunch time :)`
`02:41.01`	`abrotman`	`liable: did you throw the farm animals out? :P)`
`02:41.19`	`liable`	`heh, bastard..:P`
`02:41.29`	`abrotman`	`liable: don't feel bad .. i bailed on two parties ..`
`02:41.42`	`kspath`	`I guess I am wierd but auditing the package list is showing me all kinds of cool stuff`
`02:41.43`	`jaybar`	`beardy: thx`
`02:41.45`	`abrotman`	`and actually .. almost had to go to work .. damn T`
`02:41.46`	`liable`	`is it new years there yet?`
`02:42.01`	`abrotman`	`liable: in .. 2.25 hours`
`02:42.09`	`abrotman`	`roughly`
`02:42.34`	`liable`	`man you guys are behind the times :)`
`02:42.50`	`abrotman`	`yeah yeah`
`02:42.54`	`g0th`	`ohh shit`
`02:43.10`	`g0th`	`beardy: da ist fast alles falsch, ich _muss_ die fast von hand editieren`
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`02:43.36`	`g0th`	`eg. meine display aufloesung ist nicht drin, etliche grafikkarten spezifische dinge sind nicht drin, etc`
`02:44.04`	`_rene_`	`g0th: falsche Sprache...`
`02:44.11`	`balc`	`this has nothing to do with problem, but how do i get debian to detect my printer hardware after its loaded?`
`02:44.27`	`balc`	`i was using usb for something else and replugged it`
`02:44.36`	`abrotman`	`why are there so many germans?`
`02:44.47`	`abrotman`	`i mean . not that i mind them .. but it's .. like what .. 3am there ?`
`02:44.55`	`relic`	`germans? where?`
`02:44.56`	`_rene_`	`abrotman: 3:44`
`02:45.07`	`abrotman`	`relic: poland!`
`02:45.12`	`abrotman`	`_rene_: see!`
`02:45.38`	`kspath`	`Co to moovesh?`
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`02:45.40`	`relic`	`?`
`02:46.20`	`g0th`	`_rene_: ohh right, I mean: I really don't want to do it using dpkg-reconfigure as 90% of my file is hand written...`
`02:46.21`	`ansong`	`yay! i fixed the problem i came to get help for... i'd forgotten how much spelunking unstable required...`
`02:47.12`	`_rene_`	`g0th: then you also need to correct it per hand. or hope that it's a bug and will be fixed soon. or both. or something different ;-)`
`02:47.27`	`abrotman`	`ansong: next you can be a DD ...`
`02:47.41`	`abrotman`	`anyone can do it!`
`02:48.04`	`ansong`	`abrotman, should i ask what a DD is?`
`02:48.20`	`g0th`	`_rene_: ouff, I can try to do it automatically but I'm almost sure that it won't even start up as I need some special options to let it start with my binary drivers`
`02:48.25`	`abrotman`	`!dd`
`02:48.26`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd`
`02:48.39`	`kspath`	`I LOVE the repository except one thing`
`02:48.58`	`abrotman`	`whihc respository ?`
`02:49.08`	`kspath`	`sarge`
`02:49.12`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`02:49.16`	`abrotman`	`what's that one thing ?`
`02:49.18`	`_rene_`	`g0th: haha. binary-drivers. your problem. most of them probably aren't even ported to 6.9. like the ati/nvidia crap`
`02:49.39`	`kspath`	`the list of all does not tell clearly which are GUI and which are text`
`02:49.42`	`ansong`	`abrotman, i'm the worst cs grad you'll ever not meet. btw, is there a particular reason i had to rerun alsaconf after an apt-get update and a reboot?`
`02:49.52`	`darkcmd`	`mvidia drivers don't go past 2.6.9 ?`
`02:50.04`	`kspath`	`some are indirectly labelled ncurses and such but many others are not`
`02:50.08`	`abrotman`	`ansong: no .. that'd be me :)`
`02:50.10`	`_rene_`	`darkcmd: 2.6.9 != 6.9`
`02:50.28`	`ansong`	`abrotman, i thought you were a maintainer`
`02:50.31`	`_rene_`	`darkcmd: and kernel != X`
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`02:50.37`	`abrotman`	`ansong: alsa is this little blackbox .. bits go in .. sound comes out ..`
`02:50.45`	`abrotman`	`ansong: they think i smell!`
`02:51.25`	`dli`	`abrotman, I got /dev/dsp busy, but couldn't find a process using it in fuser or lsof`
`02:51.33`	`abrotman`	`dli: something is using it!`
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`02:51.40`	`ansong`	`abrotman, that seems to describe alsa to a T`
`02:51.42`	`abrotman`	`dli: is esd or arts running ?`
`02:51.53`	`dli`	`abrotman, I have to restart /etc/init.d/alsasound`
`02:52.00`	`dli`	`abrotman, yes, I have esd`
`02:52.04`	`abrotman`	`kill it`
`02:52.07`	`darkcmd`	`_rene_: I thought you made a typo`
`02:52.18`	`dli`	`abrotman, I can restart alsa and it works again`
`02:52.29`	`abrotman`	`esd is the devil!`
`02:52.31`	`dli`	`abrotman, skype couldn't use alsa :(`
`02:52.42`	`abrotman`	`skype is poo!`
`02:52.56`	`darkcmd`	`abrotman: what do you use then?`
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`02:53.20`	`dli`	`abrotman, you still need esd for mixing :( alsa still doesn't support hardware mixing`
`02:53.28`	`abrotman`	`darkcmd: i don't .. but gizmo is also free`
`02:53.36`	`abrotman`	`dli: depends on the card`
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`02:54.00`	`riot`	`The Resisty just celebrates its one year Anniversary! Long live teh RESiSTY.`
`02:54.01`	`dli`	`abrotman, what about intel8x0, I think it doesn't support`
`02:54.10`	`darkcmd`	`oh gizmo looks good`
`02:54.14`	`kspath`	`a number of packages are obvious to me like things that use QT and Gnome and KDE and GTK GTK+ and .... but might be a good long term goal to label everything GUI or text/term/console whatever just an idea`
`02:54.15`	`abrotman`	`dli: define mixing`
`02:54.34`	`abrotman`	`dli: i moved to alsa because OSS couldn't do duplex :)`
`02:54.39`	`michael`	`bleigie�en sucks, heh...`
`02:54.57`	`riot`	`michael: got bad fortune?`
`02:54.58`	`dli`	`abrotman, I mean like esd, shared sound by more than one program`
`02:55.07`	`g0th`	`_rene_: well they work well :)`
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`02:55.17`	`g0th`	`_rene_: and there are no open source drivers that work`
`02:55.19`	`michael`	`riot: well, it's always the same figures... boooring`
`02:55.22`	`abrotman`	`dli: i think my machine beeps while xmms is running .. i don't really like sounds .. so they're disabled in most apps :)`
`02:55.34`	`g0th`	`_rene_: I simply have no choice but to use nvidia's drivers`
`02:55.44`	`abrotman`	`why? .. if you're not playing games .. it doesn't matter`
`02:55.46`	`darkcmd`	`abrotman: what de or wm do you use?`
`02:55.51`	`_rene_`	`g0th: I doubt that, sorry. vesa should work, shouldn't it?`
`02:55.54`	`abrotman`	`darkcmd: gnome/sawfish`
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`02:56.08`	`darkcmd`	`nv and vesa work... but they do not provide 3d acceleration`
`02:56.11`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: where'd you go ?`
`02:56.12`	`riot`	`michael: donate them to the RESiSTY. We will make nice artwork out of it :)`
`02:56.16`	`darkcmd`	`nv = free nvidia driver (non accelerated)`
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`02:56.19`	`dli`	`abrotman, I don't like beeping, but I want skype to run, not just showing an error /dev/dsp busy`
`02:56.23`	`_rene_`	`I know..`
`02:56.24`	`darkcmd`	`abrotman: current gnome?`
`02:56.29`	`abrotman`	`darkcmd: wahtever is in etch`
`02:56.33`	`darkcmd`	`ok`
`02:56.37`	`abrotman`	`dli: why doesn't it run ?`
`02:56.38`	`thetallcoolone`	`are there drivers or app I can get to make full use of the TV and video capture of my ATI AIW 128 card?`
`02:56.39`	`balc`	`ok i get this error in cups managment when i look at previous jobs and try to restart them "client-error-not-possible"`
`02:56.45`	`darkcmd`	`sawfish is what gnome used back in the 1.x days right?`
`02:56.48`	`_rene_`	`on my "old" Toshiba with nvidia card I used vesa`
`02:56.54`	`ootput`	`darkcmd: yeah`
`02:56.55`	`dli`	`darkcmd, my nv has the fuzzy fullscreen video bug`
`02:56.57`	`g0th`	`_rene_: bah, I _very_ much doubt that`
`02:57.01`	`jcurry`	`I get http://pastebin.com/485819 when I start eclipse...what is wrong?`
`02:57.07`	`dli`	`abrotman, because /dev/dsp is busy :(`
`02:57.17`	`_rene_`	`g0th: what? that vesa will work?`
`02:57.20`	`qwerty`	`I did an update on testing that included abotu 7 months worth of updates, non-us is gone, and now I cant get k3b back. What sources do I want for k3b on testing?`
`02:57.21`	`g0th`	`_rene_: you sincerily think that I can play doom3, etc with vesa?`
`02:57.23`	`abrotman`	`dli: can't skype go trhough esd ?`
`02:57.24`	`dli`	`darkcmd, gnome uses metacity nowadays`
`02:57.31`	`g0th`	`without binary drivers?`
`02:57.32`	`_rene_`	`g0th: no. but you don't need to do that...`
`02:57.40`	`darkcmd`	`i know gnome uses metacity`
`02:57.40`	`ansong`	`qwerty, you're not going to like this`
`02:57.47`	`abrotman`	`jcurry: #java ? #eclipse ?`
`02:57.49`	`dli`	`abrotman, I think it uses /dev/dsp by default, let me see whether I can config it`
`02:57.49`	`g0th`	`well I simply want high performance`
`02:57.52`	`Adwanoc`	`Hi. Sorry to bother anybody. I'm kind of new to linux and Im having a problem installing the newest version of devian from cd. Does anybody think they can help?`
`02:57.58`	`g0th`	`_rene_: eg. for my opengl app`
`02:57.59`	`Adwanoc`	`debian*`
`02:58.01`	`darkcmd`	`was k3b cut from debian`
`02:58.03`	`kspath`	`you can replace metacity with others like openbox or sawfish ....`
`02:58.07`	`jcurry`	`abrotman, i tried, they have no idea, said it might be a debian problem :)`
`02:58.20`	`abrotman`	`it's a debian problem .. because .. it's java ?`
`02:58.21`	`g0th`	`_rene_: besides I need it for video playback`
`02:58.25`	`_rene_`	`darkcmd: from testing, yes, because it is/was buggy`
`02:58.27`	`g0th`	`_rene_: ie. xv`
`02:58.36`	`jcurry`	`abrotman, and since there is no #debian-eclipse...`
`02:58.37`	`abrotman`	`jcurry: how did you install java ?`
`02:58.41`	`dli`	`abrotman, no, skype uses /dev/dsp[1-4]`
`02:58.46`	`abrotman`	`there is however .. a #debian-java`
`02:58.47`	`jcurry`	`abrotman, make-jpkg`
`02:58.59`	`jcurry`	`oooh, i'll gop try there`
`02:59.00`	`qwerty`	`ansong?`
`02:59.02`	`jcurry`	`go*`
`02:59.21`	`ansong`	`qwerty, due to a disturbance in the force k3b (and other cool kde apps, like amarok) are not yet in testing. some programming thingy got updated and so those thingies won't work with the new thingies until later.`
`02:59.38`	`jcurry`	`that sounds accurate`
`02:59.40`	`abrotman`	`jcurry: dunno . i mean .. it looks like eclipse is barfing`
`02:59.45`	`factor`	`sward:thanks a bunch I am all good now :)`
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`02:59.52`	`g0th`	`_rene_: ok, a different question: if I see some things that need to be changed in the xorg.conf file? what do I do? rerun dpkg-reconfigure? what if the things can't be changed with that methde?`
`02:59.59`	`_rene_`	`g0th: not true, too. video playback even works with vesa. as said, I did that for years :). and actually do it now with unacellerated radeon on my iBook. X 6.9 should fix that but I am waiting for the ppc binaries...`
`03:00.00`	`jcurry`	`abrotman, yep... :)`
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`03:00.11`	`darkcmd`	`qwerty" they'll be back in.. but thats what hapens when you track testing`
`03:00.11`	`_rene_`	`g0th: just edit it and restart X`
`03:00.14`	`abrotman`	`dli: if you kill esd .. does it work ?`
`03:00.18`	`qwerty`	`Any suggestions for burning mp3s since k3b's gone?`
`03:00.22`	`g0th`	`_rene_: yeah, but "works" != "optimal solution"`
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`03:00.29`	`abrotman`	`arson ? gnomebaker? graveman ?`
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`03:00.43`	`g0th`	`anyway`
`03:00.44`	`qwerty`	`abrotman arson, forgot all about that one thanks!`
`03:01.08`	`g0th`	`_rene_: hmm, but then dpkg-recongigure won't work or will it?`
`03:01.35`	`_rene_`	`it won't. because you changed it once`
`03:01.46`	`ansong`	`wouldn't it just be easier to set up every app in unstable to be started by gdb? i mean it might save some time...`
`03:01.52`	`_rene_`	`it will do stuff but never write a new file`
`03:02.03`	`dli`	`abrotman, I will try :) but I usually just restart alsa`
`03:02.30`	`ansong`	`qwerty, that was self-mockery btw. i just don't remember the details`
`03:02.42`	`qwerty`	`ansong n/p.`
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`03:03.09`	`thetallcoolone`	`trying again: are there drivers or app I can get to make full use of the TV and video capture of my ATI AIW 128 card?`
`03:03.36`	`g0th`	`arg`
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`03:03.59`	`beardy`	`Adwanoc: What is the problem, more specifically?`
`03:04.16`	`Adwanoc`	`I've been trying to install debian from cd and the installer keeps saying "problem reading data from cd rom". I've redownloaded and burned the CD's 3 times already and i'm wondering if im doing something wrong.`
`03:04.17`	`g0th`	`what about this md5sum methode, maybe it works when create a md5sum and copy it`
`03:04.32`	`Adwanoc`	`It stops when it says "Retreving base installer"`
`03:04.40`	`_rene_`	`if you restore that ability, yes..`
`03:04.44`	`abrotman`	`thetallcoolone: ask #ati`
`03:04.51`	`_rene_`	`anyway, 4am now, I need sleep...`
`03:04.56`	`abrotman`	`Adwanoc: what speed are you burning at ?`
`03:05.00`	`abrotman`	`_rene_: sleep well!`
`03:05.04`	`thetallcoolone`	`abrotman: thanks`
`03:05.05`	`beardy`	`Adwanoc: Which cd have you downloaded? The full url please?`
`03:05.15`	`Adwanoc`	`i have a 52 x burner and im burning at 40 just to be safe`
`03:05.16`	`_rene_`	`err.`
`03:05.17`	`_rene_`	`bed`
`03:05.18`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`03:05.21`	`_rene_`	`abrotman: thanks`
`03:05.22`	`abrotman`	`who is ned? :)`
`03:05.30`	`_rene_`	`abrotman: a typo :)`
`03:05.34`	`abrotman`	`Adwanoc: way way too fast`
`03:05.43`	`kspath`	`does neds wife know? ;-)`
`03:05.44`	`beardy`	`Adwanoc: Well, to be safe, why not 10x or less.`
`03:05.45`	`Adwanoc`	`heres where i got them from`
`03:05.47`	`Adwanoc`	`http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/bt-cd/`
`03:05.54`	`abrotman`	`Adwanoc: speeds over 16x use screwy compression to do it .. burn at 8x`
`03:06.02`	`abrotman`	`!d-i Adwanoc`
`03:06.02`	`dpkg`	`Adwanoc, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`03:06.11`	`Adwanoc`	`ill try burning slower. THanks you guys!!!!!!!!`
`03:06.13`	`abrotman`	`Adwanoc: get the 110MB image .. burn at 8x .. try it`
`03:06.38`	`dli`	`Adwanoc, add data verification`
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`03:07.02`	`beardy`	`He'll be back asking about how to configure his sources.list.. :)`
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`03:07.15`	`dli`	`abrotman, indeed I choose 4x usually, it takes half an hour`
`03:07.23`	`darkcmd`	`how do you add data verification?`
`03:07.28`	`abrotman`	`dli: working is better than fast :)`
`03:07.35`	`dli`	`darkcmd, k3b have one option`
`03:07.40`	`kspath`	`aham abrotman`
`03:07.44`	`darkcmd`	`ok`
`03:07.47`	`abrotman`	`kspath: amen ?`
`03:08.11`	`kspath`	`abrotman: thanks I am getting tired also but in my case I am just weak`
`03:08.15`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`03:08.31`	`dli`	`abrotman, that's why usb stick is better than CDs`
`03:08.51`	`abrotman`	`dli: if your system boots off usb`
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`03:11.01`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`03:11.02`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
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`03:11.41`	`kspath`	`completed another?`
`03:12.18`	`kspath`	`my machines are SLOW takes me forever to do folding@home and dnetc stuffs`
`03:12.29`	`g0th`	`re`
`03:12.33`	`abrotman`	`kspath: get a job!`
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`03:12.45`	`g0th`	`I reconfigured my xserver and I still can't use my alt gr key`
`03:12.46`	`abrotman`	`oh .. this will be promising`
`03:12.46`	`g0th`	`:((`
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`03:13.01`	`abrotman`	`liable: are you against killing your own countrymen ?`
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`03:14.02`	`debian12yrold`	`does anyone know how to get XDMCP to play nicely?`
`03:14.49`	`curt`	`what do you do when a program won't open, I am trying to run mysql-query-browser (it was running a while ago) now it just won't open.`
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`03:15.20`	`robin_sz`	`meep?`
`03:15.37`	`abrotman`	`curt: would you like my standard lecture on mysql? :)`
`03:15.39`	`abrotman`	`!meep`
`03:15.40`	`dpkg`	`http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg`
`03:15.44`	`curt`	`abrotman, yes`
`03:15.47`	`curt`	`hehe`
`03:15.53`	`robin_sz`	`so, come on then, did anyone bother to watch what their computer clock did at midnight?`
`03:15.57`	`abrotman`	`curt: it's short`
`03:15.59`	`curt`	`abrotman, please lecture`
`03:16.01`	`nayyres`	`i want to run MSFrontpage using wine on linux box while my linux box is dual boot with windows xp 2005, but my windows c: drive is NTFS, how can i access and run MSFrontpage ?`
`03:16.02`	`abrotman`	`curt: mysql sucks .. don't use it`
`03:16.11`	`curt`	`abrotman, o`
`03:16.12`	`abrotman`	`!mysql`
`03:16.12`	`dpkg`	`A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas>`
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`03:16.35`	`kspath`	`cdb ?`
`03:16.53`	`abrotman`	`?`
`03:17.04`	`curt`	`abrotman, i see`
`03:17.22`	`abrotman`	`nayyres: isn't that a #winehq question ?`
`03:17.44`	`abrotman`	`nayyres: i mean .. you can mount ntfs .. but it's not really safe to write to ntfs`
`03:17.55`	`debian12yrold`	`how do you get XDCMP to play nicely?`
`03:17.55`	`abrotman`	`curt: why doesn't the app run ?`
`03:18.00`	`nayyres`	`abrotman, yeah, but i get quick reply on #debian :)`
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`03:18.10`	`curt`	`abrotman, my question exactly`
`03:18.11`	`abrotman`	`!ntfsro`
`03:18.12`	`dpkg`	`add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.`
`03:18.20`	`abrotman`	`curt: i meant .. error message s?`
`03:18.30`	`curt`	`abrotman, non that i see`
`03:18.36`	`abrotman`	`strace ?`
`03:19.01`	`curt`	`!strace`
`03:19.03`	`dpkg`	`i guess strace is a system call tracing utility. Run it like so: 'strace -f -o LOGFILE EXEC'.. A good way to diagnose problems`
`03:19.22`	`curt`	`abrotman, let me check`
`03:19.29`	`tjcoder`	`hey so... i want to have a file server to store mainly ripped dvds to play either on that computer, or my roommates computer, or my laptop. i've got it set up with Samba right now, but that's kindof a pain. is there a better way?`
`03:19.54`	`abrotman`	`that's a pain ?`
`03:19.57`	`nayyres`	`abrotman, is there any way to convert ntfs to win32, without loss of data?`
`03:20.06`	`abrotman`	`you mean fat32?`
`03:20.08`	`abrotman`	`not that i know of`
`03:20.18`	`debian12yrold`	`tjcoder: have you tried using a p2p streaming app? (VLC?)`
`03:20.25`	`nayyres`	`s/win32/fat32`
`03:21.03`	`tjcoder`	`debian12yrold i'll look into that... i'm just kinda trying to get some ideas. the problem is that the server isn't fast enough to actually play them, i don't think`
`03:21.08`	`g0th`	`arg`
`03:21.16`	`nayyres`	`abrotman, ?`
`03:21.35`	`De_Mon`	`isn't there a windows program that does ntfs -> fat32?`
`03:21.36`	`g0th`	`Still no idea how to get this "alt gr" key working?`
`03:21.45`	`abrotman`	`nayyres: i said i don't think so .. that's a #windows question`
`03:21.49`	`abrotman`	`g0th: push it!`
`03:21.51`	`g0th`	`I can't work at all without it (no mail, no programming, etc)`
`03:21.52`	`De_Mon`	`the same one that upgrades from fat32 -> ntfs`
`03:21.56`	`debian12yrold`	`nayyres: what about making an fat32 partition then copying the data`
`03:22.19`	`abrotman`	`tjcoder: your network should be more than fast enough`
`03:22.24`	`curt`	`abrotman, there is 2200 lines n the output from strace that last of which are sigsegv seg faults and kill`
`03:22.31`	`beardy`	`g0th: Use the US keymap for now then.`
`03:22.37`	`abrotman`	`curt: nice ...`
`03:22.39`	`g0th`	`that doesn't work neither`
`03:22.40`	`nayyres`	`debian12yrold, in fact i want to run MSfrontpage using wine, and it is installed on ntfs drive :(`
`03:22.42`	`abrotman`	`curt: did you checkt eh bts ?`
`03:22.48`	`g0th`	`in all cases it doesn't work`
`03:23.02`	`curt`	`abrotman, can I purge the package and re apt it`
`03:23.09`	`sussudio_`	`in soviet russia, bugs report you`
`03:23.15`	`debian12yrold`	`nayyres: oh, what about not using MSfrontpage? :-)`
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`03:23.27`	`curt`	`abrotman, dpkg purge something something`
`03:23.32`	`abrotman`	`curt: bts ?`
`03:23.33`	`De_Mon`	`nayyres convert E: /fs:fat32 on windows will do it`
`03:23.42`	`curt`	`!bts`
`03:23.43`	`dpkg`	`bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/`
`03:23.45`	`abrotman`	`you can't convert ntfs to fat32`
`03:23.48`	`jouno`	`r u guys in your new year yet?`
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`03:23.53`	`abrotman`	`!tell jouno about u`
`03:23.55`	`abrotman`	`!tell jouno about r`
`03:24.00`	`Supaplex`	`!hny`
`03:24.01`	`dpkg`	`Happy New Year!`
`03:24.03`	`curt`	`abrotman, but the thing is it was working just fine for months`
`03:24.04`	`nayyres`	`debian12yrold, hehe, but i am unable to find MSFrontpage exact replace :)`
`03:24.12`	`abrotman`	`curt: are you running testing or unstable ?`
`03:24.17`	`curt`	`abrotman, testing`
`03:24.26`	`abrotman`	`curt: yeah .. check the bts ..`
`03:24.33`	`abrotman`	`curt: let me guess .. it's also a Qt app ?`
`03:24.37`	`nayyres`	`De_Mon, i hope it will do all, without data loss??`
`03:24.44`	`beardy`	`nayyres: What have you tried this far?`
`03:24.46`	`liable`	`meh firefox likes to crash lately.`
`03:24.52`	`debian12yrold`	`nayyres: have you tried installing it on a non NTFS partition?`
`03:24.53`	`beardy`	`nayyres: as replacement`
`03:25.03`	`abrotman`	`you can't convert ntfs to fat32`
`03:25.06`	`curt`	`abrotman, I do believe`
`03:25.20`	`nayyres`	`beardy, bluefish`
`03:25.22`	`abrotman`	`curt: yeah .. that's C++ stuff that's all screwed up in testing`
`03:25.28`	`jouno`	`abrotman: don't be so picky. it is only the first day of the year.`
`03:25.39`	`abrotman`	`jouno: not for me . .it's still the last`
`03:25.40`	`beardy`	`nayyres: Install it under your users ~/`
`03:25.45`	`De_Mon`	`nayyres after more reading you'll have to use partition magic or do what abrotman says`
`03:25.46`	`curt`	`abrotman, I can use webmin(or not)`
`03:25.51`	`beardy`	`nayyres: quanta, is one IIRC`
`03:25.51`	`abrotman`	`jouno: and that's no excuse`
`03:25.57`	`nayyres`	`debian12yrold, this is the final step i will do, if unable to convert ntfs to fat32 :)`
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`03:26.01`	`abrotman`	`curt: Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!`
`03:26.18`	`debian12yrold`	`Does anyone know how to setup XDMCP?`
`03:26.20`	`beardy`	`De_Mon: That can't do it either AFAIK.`
`03:26.38`	`curt`	`abrotman, I know. I can use mysql from the terminal but`
`03:26.40`	`jouno`	`abrotman: don't u want to reduce the time and effort in data entry?`
`03:26.55`	`abrotman`	`curt: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343632`
`03:26.59`	`curt`	`abrotman, mysql-query-browser is so much easier`
`03:27.00`	`abrotman`	`!tell jouno about u`
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`03:27.10`	`jouno`	`have u heard of efficiency?`
`03:27.12`	`abrotman`	`!tell jouno about u`
`03:27.19`	`De_Mon`	`beardy google says it can`
`03:27.20`	`De_Mon`	`http://www.windowsitpro.com/Windows/Article/ArticleID/20718/20718.html`
`03:27.30`	`snowgoose`	`how i set up web cam`
`03:27.41`	`jouno`	`if v can communicate with a single letter, y use more?`
`03:27.43`	`beardy`	`!sshx`
`03:27.44`	`dpkg`	`[sshx] Enable X11Forwarding on the server (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html`
`03:27.56`	`abrotman`	`jouno: do you realize you look like a moron when you speak like that?`
`03:27.57`	`beardy`	`De_Mon: Do you always trust blindly?`
`03:28.03`	`debian12yrold`	`snowgoose: what do you want to use it for?`
`03:28.18`	`g0th`	`ouff, anyway I go to bed now, it's 04:30 here, but I need to fix this "Alt Gr Bug/whatever" otherwise I can't work at all :((`
`03:28.20`	`g0th`	`n8 all`
`03:28.25`	`snowgoose`	`for msn`
`03:28.28`	`beardy`	`debian12yrold: sshx was for you`
`03:28.35`	`snowgoose`	`and show people her my face`
`03:28.36`	`jouno`	`abrotman: don't start a verbal battle. mind your words.`
`03:28.59`	`debian12yrold`	`beardy: thx will try that`
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`03:29.30`	`beardy`	`debian12yrold: /msg dpkg xdmcp if you have to, but use ssh instead.`
`03:29.36`	`snowgoose`	`how do i set up web camara?`
`03:29.54`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Yeah. Only start physical battles.`
`03:29.54`	`beardy`	`jouno: Mind your own instead.`
`03:30.05`	`abrotman`	`stouset: ?`
`03:30.07`	`debian12yrold`	`snowgoose: what sort of webcam?`
`03:30.09`	`De_Mon`	`beardy ? if you mean do I trust you, no I don't`
`03:30.14`	`curt`	`abrotman, quote"could be due to some external library all those versions are using"`
`03:30.21`	`abrotman`	`oh .. i forgot i plonked him :)`
`03:30.22`	`curt`	`abrotman, that don't sound good`
`03:30.27`	`beardy`	`De_Mon: That's nice.`
`03:30.28`	`nayyres`	`do any body ever used reactOS, i want to get an opinion from #debian guys :)`
`03:30.29`	`snowgoose`	`dlinkdsb c110`
`03:30.31`	`abrotman`	`curt: yeah .. you might have to wait a few days`
`03:30.44`	`curt`	`maybe i'll brush up on my mysql from the terminal`
`03:30.47`	`snowgoose`	`dlink brand model c11o`
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`03:31.41`	`jouno`	`nayyres: give NVU a look.`
`03:32.10`	`abrotman`	`jouno: wtf does nvu have to do with reactos ?`
`03:32.24`	`snowgoose`	`no idea how to set it up`
`03:32.32`	`ansong`	`nayyres was asking about frontpage replacement?`
`03:32.44`	`beardy`	`!tell snowgoose about enter`
`03:32.53`	`abrotman`	`i'm not sure nvu is a replacement`
`03:32.55`	`jouno`	`nayyres: u mfsob, he was talking about MSFrontpage earlier on.`
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`03:33.15`	`abrotman`	`jdhutchin1: your ISP sucks :)`
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`03:33.38`	`beardy`	`snowgoose: /msg dpkg ask`
`03:33.49`	`ansong`	`if so, then i ditto nvu. only it's not really a replacement. if it cats a few hundred kb from /dev/urandom into your html file, then it'd be a frontpage replacement`
`03:33.55`	`jouno`	`nayyres: sorry, that was meant for abrotman.`
`03:33.56`	`relic`	`how to download the source of NVU?`
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`03:34.02`	`abrotman`	`i knew it was :)`
`03:34.10`	`abrotman`	`relic: wget ?`
`03:34.10`	`nayyres`	`hehehe`
`03:34.12`	`jouno`	`relic: visit the website.`
`03:34.15`	`timgoh0`	`relic: Why do you need the source?`
`03:34.17`	`relic`	`oh`
`03:34.20`	`snowgoose`	`dpkg`
`03:34.21`	`abrotman`	`timgoh0: it's not packaged in sarge`
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`03:34.27`	`curt`	`abrotman, he didn't even get to speak yet`
`03:34.28`	`timgoh0`	`abrotman: Ah.`
`03:34.28`	`zeljko`	`hey`
`03:34.32`	`abrotman`	`curt: ?`
`03:34.33`	`relic`	`hehe`
`03:34.39`	`timgoh0`	`abrotman: Pinning or even just grab the .deb?`
`03:34.41`	`zeljko`	`can someone tell me where i am?`
`03:34.45`	`molinero`	`Happy New Years for all and Ubuntu lives!`
`03:34.48`	`abrotman`	`timgoh0: or simple sid backport ?`
`03:34.49`	`curt`	`abrotman, jdhutchin1`
`03:34.59`	`timgoh0`	`abrotman: Dunno.`
`03:35.03`	`zeljko`	`anybody?`
`03:35.04`	`ansong`	`zeljko, welcome to planet earth`
`03:35.04`	`abrotman`	`or`
`03:35.06`	`abrotman`	`!backports`
`03:35.06`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>`
`03:35.26`	`zeljko`	`i am the master`
`03:35.35`	`zeljko`	`of the ubuntu`
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`03:35.46`	`abrotman`	`zeljko: could you be the master in #ubuntu ?`
`03:35.58`	`abrotman`	`curt: he's been bouncing a while i think`
`03:35.58`	`zeljko`	`no thanks`
`03:36.02`	`zeljko`	`i am bussy`
`03:36.05`	`stouset`	`abrotman: I am the master of telling Ubuntu people about !ubuntu`
`03:36.10`	`relic`	`dpkg, you polish my eyes o.o+`
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`03:36.23`	`abrotman`	`stouset: too bad you can't show them the door`
`03:36.34`	`stouset`	`abrotman: I can show them the door. It's too bad I can't push them through.`
`03:36.38`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`03:36.39`	`timgoh0`	`stouset: Or apply large LARTs.`
`03:36.53`	`De_Mon`	`i was looking at the newest version of frontpage yesterday, it had a tool called 'clean up html'`
`03:36.55`	`zeljko`	`i am trying to spread Ubuntu spirit in Serbia, but the people here are stupid`
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`03:37.24`	`zeljko`	`they do not know what linux is`
`03:37.32`	`ansong`	`De_Mon, like clean up code it had written? or frontpage-ify already working html?`
`03:37.32`	`relic`	`ha ha`
`03:37.40`	`curt`	`!ubuntu`
`03:37.41`	`dpkg`	`somebody said ubuntu was not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) \| http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 \| Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or \| Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.`
`03:37.43`	`zeljko`	`they think it is some kind of chocollate`
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`03:38.23`	`relic`	`or evil`
`03:38.24`	`zeljko`	`Ubuntu is an debian distribution`
`03:38.26`	`curt`	`i didn't even know how to spell it`
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`03:38.49`	`curt`	`!Based on Debian`
`03:38.50`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are not Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro.`
`03:38.54`	`beardy`	`zeljko: Ubuntu is Ubuntu, the channel is #ubuntu.`
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`03:39.38`	`zeljko`	`ok, you can say that ubuntu is not linux then...`
`03:39.39`	`jouno`	`ubuntu sounds like an African tribe.`
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`03:39.59`	`Eulex`	`zeljko, linux is the kernel.`
`03:40.00`	`ansong`	`zeljko, linux is the kernel.`
`03:40.04`	`Eulex`	`heh`
`03:40.05`	`relic`	`hehe, it's time to fork a 'wogaga' linux`
`03:40.07`	`ansong`	`my bad`
`03:40.19`	`SimonRaven`	`damn, there's an echo in here`
`03:40.41`	`SimonRaven`	`jouno: it's a swahili word`
`03:41.04`	`jouno`	`SimonRaven: and what does it mean?`
`03:41.06`	`curt`	`!debian`
`03:41.07`	`dpkg`	`somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents`
`03:41.07`	`ansong`	`means humanity or brotherhood or something else`
`03:41.32`	`ansong`	`all i remember was the naked people on the wallpaper`
`03:41.34`	`beardy`	`ansong: How specific :)`
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`03:41.38`	`SimonRaven`	`humanity, IIRC`
`03:41.44`	`zeljko`	`what is kernel then?`
`03:41.59`	`Eulex`	`!kernel`
`03:42.00`	`abrotman`	`!kernel`
`03:42.01`	`dpkg`	`Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.14.5, prepatch: 2.6.15-rc7, snapshot: 2.6.15-rc7-git5, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.15-rc5-mm3`
`03:42.05`	`abrotman`	`useless`
`03:42.11`	`SimonRaven`	`zeljko: it doesn't have XML support, if that's what you're asking`
`03:42.13`	`ansong`	`beardy, it's new years eve. i'm not going to dip into #ubuntu just to ask them :)`
`03:42.14`	`relic`	`the name... linux is a kernel, bsd is not`
`03:42.16`	`abrotman`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kernel`
`03:42.17`	`Eulex`	`yep, not wanted effect`
`03:42.18`	`faw`	`wikipedia kernel`
`03:42.20`	`faw`	`:)`
`03:42.20`	`jouno`	`i think people should do something about naming of Debian variants. there are more Debian users that anybody knows.`
`03:42.29`	`SimonRaven`	`some old timers will remember that one`
`03:42.33`	`SimonRaven`	`;)`
`03:42.54`	`abrotman`	`simone: i'm probably the oldest here other than you .. and i don't remember :)`
`03:43.16`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: ^^`
`03:43.17`	`Eulex`	`jouno, well, debian doesn't control what name a debian derivative chooses`
`03:43.19`	`beardy`	`ansong: :)`
`03:43.25`	`SimonRaven`	`you weren't here, you went to sleep. this was like daytime .au time`
`03:43.49`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: i thought you meant .. like years ago`
`03:43.53`	`beardy`	`jouno: Why?`
`03:44.14`	`SimonRaven`	`some troll 'walked' in asking about xml support in the kernel. went on for like 20 minutes or so`
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`03:44.24`	`SimonRaven`	`nah, couple years ago`
`03:44.32`	`SimonRaven`	`1.5 year`
`03:44.38`	`timgoh0`	`SimonRaven: WTF. IIRC, there should be some kernel code that may parse XML.`
`03:44.58`	`relic`	`...`
`03:44.59`	`jouno`	`Eulex: it is not about controlling, but about a naming convention. Y? Look at Windows. -XP, -NT, etc, but always prefix with Windows. it is about branding.`
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`03:45.19`	`beardy`	`jouno: You don't have a clue, do you?`
`03:45.23`	`timgoh0`	`jouno: Do you see a large company controling release names?`
`03:45.31`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: i was probably around .. but i don't remember it`
`03:45.50`	`SimonRaven`	`jouno: this isn't #windows. go away now, and don't get run over by the big bad windows SUV`
`03:45.52`	`jouno`	`it is about competition with MS. It has one brand name.`
`03:45.53`	`Eulex`	`jouno, debian doesn't control any naming convention either.`
`03:46.09`	`abrotman`	`timgoh0: can you walk over to his house and kill jouno ?`
`03:46.16`	`timgoh0`	`abrotman: Not too sure.`
`03:46.21`	`timgoh0`	`The orbital railgun has splash.`
`03:46.28`	`relic`	`MS? Mobile Suit?`
`03:46.29`	`curt`	`im pro anti-microsoft`
`03:46.39`	`jouno`	`don't u guys want to see Linux or Debian being more popular than Windows?`
`03:46.45`	`abrotman`	`!tell jouno about u`
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`03:46.47`	`SimonRaven`	`jouno: microshit thinks it has to compete with others because it's a corporation. free software isn't interested, it has its own thing`
`03:47.01`	`curt`	`!tell curt about u`
`03:47.19`	`ansong`	`juono, this isn't really a pissing^H^H^H^H^H^Hopularity contest`
`03:47.27`	`beardy`	`!tell curt -about botmsg`
`03:47.37`	`relic`	`SimonRaven, in fact, m$ owns you`
`03:47.38`	`molinero`	`Ubuntu forerever!`
`03:47.40`	`jouno`	`SimonRaven: we want 'free' to win, don't we?`
`03:47.44`	`SimonRaven`	`jouno: clue: open source code. clue #2: GPL, clue #3 freedom. now go read the GPL`
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`03:47.55`	`timgoh0`	`OMFG! TWINK! GET HIM!`
`03:48.12`	`abrotman`	`!tell molinero about ubuntu`
`03:48.13`	`timgoh0`	`Sorry, had a bad session yesterday.`
`03:48.21`	`jouno`	`Not just Freedom, but Victory to Freedom.`
`03:48.41`	`SimonRaven`	`jouno: who's talking about winning? if anything, free *nix has already won. now we just have to help M$ topple over ;)`
`03:48.58`	`SimonRaven`	`</2 cents>`
`03:49.01`	`SimonRaven`	`plonk`
`03:49.09`	`curt`	`hehe`
`03:49.23`	`beardy`	`jouno: It does little good whining about it here, to the (great majority of) already convinced people. Start coding, write documentation or do something other useful and stop bitching here.`
`03:49.29`	`jouno`	`SimonRaven: either u win or u lose. with a defeatist like u, in the end, MS will win over everybody.`
`03:49.33`	`abrotman`	`!tell jouno about u`
`03:50.05`	`ansong`	`jouno, if microsoft can make people stop coding in their spare time, then we've all got bigger problems`
`03:50.07`	`Eulex`	`jouno, sure, trolling here will actually change the future`
`03:50.16`	`jouno`	`beardy: get the big picture right, before u work on the detail.`
`03:50.18`	`abrotman`	`!tell jouno about u`
`03:50.36`	`beardy`	`jouno: You neither know the big picture or any details.`
`03:50.55`	`SimonRaven`	`timgoh0: re: XML reading in the linux kernel. hoonestly i have no idea, AFAIK it doesn't, and IMO it shouldn't. it's not a very efficient format. takes a lot to parse that stuff`
`03:50.57`	`jouno`	`beardy: u don't know what u r talking about;`
`03:51.01`	`abrotman`	`i mean .. i'd call ops .. if anyone would be around`
`03:51.02`	`abrotman`	`!tell jouno about u`
`03:51.07`	`beardy`	`!tell jouno about r`
`03:51.17`	`abrotman`	`!tell jouno about wud`
`03:51.25`	`SimonRaven`	`may i suggest /ignore ?`
`03:51.26`	`timgoh0`	`jouno: I think debian publicity would be REALLY intersted in your strategy about naming conventions`
`03:51.27`	`jouno`	`beardy: u know nothing, big or small or detailed.`
`03:51.34`	`abrotman`	`!tell jouno about u`
`03:51.34`	`timgoh0`	`jouno: Try http://www.debian.org/contact#press`
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`03:51.38`	`timgoh0`	`instead of here.`
`03:51.40`	`beardy`	`jouno: I fart in your general direction.`
`03:51.51`	`abrotman`	`jouno: your parents must be very upset about you`
`03:51.53`	`timgoh0`	`beardy: It's now possible to direct a fart?`
`03:51.56`	`timgoh0`	`Woah.`
`03:52.00`	`ansong`	`ok, i can figure out the u and the r bit. but whats the 'wud'?`
`03:52.09`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh, aim your butt in a certain direction`
`03:52.10`	`beardy`	`timgoh0: You did it yesterday IIRC ;)`
`03:52.11`	`abrotman`	`ansong: general tardedness`
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`03:52.25`	`jouno`	`abrotman: beardy: u r a mfsob.`
`03:52.32`	`SimonRaven`	`then let the air currents carry it`
`03:52.33`	`beardy`	`mfsob?`
`03:52.39`	`timgoh0`	`beardy: I can only get it down to a 180 degree 'arc', but with very little range`
`03:52.47`	`abrotman`	`jouno: that would hurt .. if could speak whatever retarded language you speak`
`03:52.57`	`jouno`	`beardy: that is y i say u know nothing.`
`03:53.04`	`beardy`	`timgoh0: I said "general", that is a very broad direction.`
`03:53.18`	`timgoh0`	`jouno: The majority has spoken. You have been voted off the channel.`
`03:53.27`	`beardy`	`!tell jouno -about y`
`03:53.28`	`beardy`	`!tell jouno -about u`
`03:53.30`	`beardy`	`!tell jouno -about r`
`03:53.43`	`SimonRaven`	`!tell jouno -about sftu`
`03:53.55`	`timgoh0`	`beardy: Ah. Right.`
`03:53.58`	`SimonRaven`	`woops`
`03:54.02`	`SimonRaven`	`!tell jouno -about stfu`
`03:54.03`	`ansong`	`beardy, formed by a concatenation of the acronyms 'mf' and 'sob', 'mfsob' is an epithet practically guaranteed to get you noticed by the IRC 'lite`
`03:54.25`	`adam234`	`anyone know how i can see what libraries a .so will link to when loaded?`
`03:54.32`	`beardy`	`ansong: and mf, and sob?, or well, sob I can get, if it�s not an acronym`
`03:54.40`	`adam234`	`is there some switch to ld, or some other inspect command?`
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`03:54.53`	`SimonRaven`	`adam234: ldd, others, nm -B, that sort of thing`
`03:54.55`	`Eulex`	`ansong, dpkg doesn't know about mf. he does now about sob, though.`
`03:54.59`	`Minchul`	`hello`
`03:55.05`	`adam234`	`SimonRaven: thanks`
`03:55.11`	`abrotman`	`Minchul: hi`
`03:55.12`	`Eulex`	`*know`
`03:55.26`	`SimonRaven`	`!sob`
`03:55.27`	`dpkg`	`[sob] an acronym for Son Of a Bitch, or the sound of microsoft programmers realizing what they've done`
`03:55.35`	`SimonRaven`	`heh`
`03:56.00`	`beardy`	`jouno: If the case may be that people will not get the meaning of what you are saying, spell it out you fucking son of a bitch.`
`03:56.25`	`Eulex`	`umh, urbandictionary suggests mf is mother fucking`
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`03:56.35`	`Eulex`	`dpkg, mf is mother fucking`
`03:56.36`	`dpkg`	`Eulex: okay`
`03:56.41`	`ansong`	`beardy, yes! well almost, you forgot the 'mother' prefix, but you almost mfsob'd correctly`
`03:56.43`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh, makes sense`
`03:56.48`	`EdLin`	`!stfu`
`03:56.48`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg`
`03:56.55`	`Eulex`	`dpkg, mfsob is mother fucking son of a bitch`
`03:56.56`	`dpkg`	`okay, Eulex`
`03:56.59`	`abrotman`	`mm . the motto`
`03:57.04`	`jouno`	`come on, mfsob is simply, 'my friend, silly old boy'. u guys r a filthy bunch. your mind is nothing but filthy stuff.`
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`03:57.13`	`EdLin`	`!u`
`03:57.14`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`03:57.15`	`EdLin`	`!r`
`03:57.16`	`dpkg`	`[r] a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS!`
`03:57.17`	`beardy`	`ansong: I wasn't trying to actually, I wrote as I thought..`
`03:57.22`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: tell him .. not us`
`03:57.27`	`liable`	`!kingsleysmite jouno`
`03:57.28`	`dpkg`	`Citizen Volunteer jouno: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.435220545196113! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination!`
`03:57.37`	`beardy`	`ansong: What I wanted to say, I mean.`
`03:57.40`	`EdLin`	`!tell jouno -about u`
`03:57.43`	`EdLin`	`!tell jouno -about r`
`03:57.56`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: there`
`03:58.07`	`jouno`	`beardy: u owe me an apology.`
`03:58.10`	`SimonRaven`	`OH FFS STOP IT WITH THE BOT SHIT`
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`03:58.36`	`ravenbird`	`Leaving. (courtesy of simonraven).`
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`03:58.39`	`phillywhitetrash`	`i need a cheesesteak`
`03:58.46`	`timgoh0`	`jouno: You owe us multiple kloos.`
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`03:59.07`	`tjcoder`	`so, i guess my problem with SMB is how crappy it works with OS X`
`03:59.10`	`jouno`	`beardy: no apology from you?`
`03:59.15`	`abrotman`	`!cheesesteak phillywhitetrash`
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`03:59.29`	`phillywhitetrash`	`thank you`
`03:59.34`	`beardy`	`jouno: You don't act like you do and expect an apology.`
`03:59.37`	`Minchul`	`how to FTP Install in my server?`
`03:59.48`	`abrotman`	`Minchul: use scp unless you have a good reason`
`03:59.57`	`kspath`	`alka seltzer also might be needed with the philly`
`04:00.01`	`abrotman`	`no way!`
`04:00.02`	`Minchul`	`abortman // oh... thanks`
`04:00.11`	`abrotman`	`why is my nick so hard ?`
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`04:00.19`	`Minchul`	`....`
`04:00.22`	`Minchul`	`oops`
`04:00.25`	`EdLin`	`!tell Minchul about tab completion`
`04:00.35`	`jouno`	`beardy: i don't act like i do? that is very subjective. and for that u foulmouth me?`
`04:00.43`	`kspath`	`abtitmon: I think it is easy to remember and typo no problems...`
`04:00.52`	`Eulex`	`haha`
`04:00.52`	`phillywhitetrash`	`need some wizfrys wit that too`
`04:00.56`	`EdLin`	`!tell jouno -about u`
`04:00.59`	`abrotman`	`jouno: do your parents care that you're so stupid ?`
`04:01.05`	`timgoh0`	`jouno: I'm not really pleased at your behaviour either. I think this not to be a coincidence.`
`04:01.11`	`abrotman`	`!tell phillywhitetrash about poutine`
`04:01.18`	`phillywhitetrash`	`?`
`04:01.26`	`abrotman`	`phillywhitetrash: read the article :)`
`04:01.51`	`liable`	`poutine actually sounds discustingly tasty :)`
`04:01.58`	`abrotman`	`liable: ask SimonRaven`
`04:02.09`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, i'm reading yours and abrotman's statements to jouno to mean that you are his parent?`
`04:02.12`	`Minchul`	`where is the network install floopy image?`
`04:02.17`	`jouno`	`beardy: abrotman: you two mother-fucking sons-of-a-bitch. hope you two get fucked throughout the new year. bye.`
`04:02.20`	`abrotman`	`ansong: what ?`
`04:02.24`	`liable`	`!sarge floppies`
`04:02.25`	`dpkg`	`well, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386`
`04:02.31`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: I pray to $DEITY that this is not the case.`
`04:02.32`	`abrotman`	`beardy: let's sit down and have a good cry! :)`
`04:02.42`	`Minchul`	`liable: Thanks :)`
`04:02.43`	`SimonRaven`	`liable: i have to admit it is. has to be made just right.`
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`04:03.15`	`liable`	`SimonRaven: chip soggyness factors come into play? or the gravy?`
`04:03.20`	`liable`	`Minchul: np`
`04:03.40`	`ansong`	`abrotman, you said "do your parents care you're so stupid" and then timgoh0 said "i'm not pleased with you either. i think this not to be a coincidence" and i just put two and two together...`
`04:03.58`	`SimonRaven`	`the whole thing. cheese curds you can't really fuck up, except if you don't have them melt`
`04:03.58`	`abrotman`	`ansong: huh ?`
`04:04.15`	`abrotman`	`ansong: perhaps timgoh0 knows jouno ?`
`04:04.17`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: It's just the multiverse toying with us again. I REALLY hope that I'm not his parent.`
`04:04.33`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: timgoh0 may know jouno.`
`04:04.43`	`timgoh0`	`jouno is in .sg, timgoh0 is in .sg`
`04:04.51`	`ansong`	`nothing, nevermind, forget it. repetition has killed the witticism.`
`04:05.16`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, where the heck, if i may ask, is .sg?`
`04:05.32`	`kspath`	`fresh cheese curds`
`04:05.47`	`phillywhitetrash`	`swat runs on port 901 rite?`
`04:05.49`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: .sg is the ISO country code for Singapore.`
`04:05.58`	`abrotman`	`!sg`
`04:05.59`	`dpkg`	`sg is Singapore -- don't tell me you didn't know that!`
`04:06.13`	`curt`	`dpkg knows everything`
`04:06.13`	`dpkg`	`Yes, I do, curt.`
`04:06.24`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`04:06.28`	`kspath`	`I do not like the "Mild" Cheddar in most of US it is actually sharp cheddar`
`04:06.31`	`abrotman`	`phillywhitetrash: right`
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`04:06.53`	`phillywhitetrash`	`thanks, cant get mine up`
`04:07.03`	`abrotman`	`phillywhitetrash: viagra`
`04:07.06`	`kspath`	`rephrase PLE`
`04:07.11`	`kspath`	`PLEASE`
`04:07.15`	`SimonRaven`	`you fucking read my mind`
`04:07.19`	`ansong`	`kspath, if the mild cheddar i buy is really sharp, what's the sharp cheddar i get? ... rancid?`
`04:07.34`	`kspath`	`ansong: maybe`
`04:07.42`	`curt`	`abrotman, what's the short and sweet on scp`
`04:07.43`	`abrotman`	`there is extra sharp`
`04:07.54`	`abrotman`	`curt: encrypted file transfer ?`
`04:08.01`	`kspath`	`ansong: depends a lot on where/how it is made and packaged or not`
`04:08.03`	`SimonRaven`	`'aged' - means it's been lying around for a while`
`04:08.15`	`SimonRaven`	`scp == secure cp`
`04:08.20`	`abrotman`	`!scp`
`04:08.21`	`dpkg`	`from memory, scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp`
`04:08.54`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, are you from there?`
`04:08.58`	`curt`	`abrotman, would a person then need to be connect via ssh to use it`
`04:09.02`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: I'm still here.`
`04:09.05`	`SimonRaven`	`it'll r0x0r y00r s0x0rs if you have a key to go along with that`
`04:09.10`	`beardy`	`I hope he learnt his lesson and don't use acronyms with more than one meaning when one is more offensive and he doesn't (seemed) to know about the more offensive one.`
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`04:09.24`	`abrotman`	`curt: you use scp`
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`04:09.29`	`abrotman`	`curt: just liek the bot said`
`04:09.49`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, sorry, i mean: are you from singapore? i hear things are very strict there.`
`04:09.52`	`timgoh0`	`curt: You just need sshd running on the other end. Default config should let you in.`
`04:10.06`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: Yes I'm from .sg and I'm afraid the rumors are mostly true.`
`04:10.21`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: And yes, a majority of us have a stick up our asses.`
`04:10.24`	`abrotman`	`timgoh0: maybe he'll be arrested for the things he said :)`
`04:10.52`	`timgoh0`	`abrotman: Don't count on i....Gaaaa! Not room 101. Anything but the room!`
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`04:11.19`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, hmm. i had a friend who moved to singapore. he was a skater, potsmoker, partier, etc. and i haven't heard from him in years... any chance they've beheaded him or something?`
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`04:11.47`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: Drug possession and or trafficking is a very serious offence here.`
`04:12.20`	`Supaplex`	`!hny`
`04:12.21`	`dpkg`	`Happy New Year!`
`04:12.23`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`04:12.24`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`04:12.36`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, like a capital offense?`
`04:12.49`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: Punishiable by death, yes.`
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`04:12.56`	`abrotman`	`EleckttrusS: we heard you the first time`
`04:12.57`	`kspath`	`was it .sg where the taggers caught CANED in public?`
`04:13.05`	`abrotman`	`EleckttrusS: and where you are .. it's still not the new year`
`04:13.07`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, holy shit`
`04:13.10`	`EdLin`	`CAPITAL OFFENCES ARE HORRIBLE, THEY MAKE YOU TYPE LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!11111111`
`04:13.10`	`timgoh0`	`kspath: 199x i think. But not in public`
`04:13.27`	`EleckttrusS`	`abrotman: in florida yes!`
`04:13.34`	`abrotman`	`no`
`04:13.54`	`kspath`	`that was hilarious US wont spank them properly they finally got their butts bruised for very bad behavior`
`04:13.55`	`EdLin`	`it's not new year in Florida (EST), it's only 11:13PM here`
`04:13.57`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, oh, well that's all right then ;)`
`04:14.02`	`EleckttrusS`	`abrotman: ok ok happy new year - 45min!`
`04:14.21`	`kspath`	`<< almost hates taggers`
`04:14.37`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, what do they do if you spit in public?`
`04:14.39`	`abrotman`	`!fix timgoh0`
`04:14.43`	`EdLin`	`kspath: taggers eventually grow out of it, become ricers, and run Gentoo.`
`04:14.44`	`HermanDE`	`New year.... How many so called new years will it be before it is finally an old year?`
`04:14.45`	`kspath`	`the buses in Chicago you could not see out of the windows`
`04:14.51`	`liable`	`heh`
`04:14.57`	`timgoh0`	`abrotman: I think there's a fine.`
`04:14.57`	`kspath`	`Edlin: lol`
`04:15.15`	`abrotman`	`timgoh0: for tagging ?`
`04:15.30`	`ansong`	`i think that was for me...`
`04:15.41`	`timgoh0`	`abrotman: No, for spitting.`
`04:15.45`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`04:16.06`	`kspath`	`we have some laws here in the US but they are almost never enforced`
`04:16.09`	`EdLin`	`kspath: NYC subways used to have graffiti everywhere, now they make them with special material and guard them very carefully, so it's very rare that you see any subway vandalism here.`
`04:16.15`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, can you smoke cigarettes?`
`04:16.24`	`liable`	`wtf?`
`04:16.25`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: Yes we can.`
`04:16.40`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, that's surprising`
`04:16.41`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: Suprisingly. And then again, they're about $6-$8 a pack.`
`04:16.45`	`abrotman`	`kspath: not those laws anyways :)`
`04:16.46`	`timgoh0`	`ansong: Tax and all.`
`04:16.48`	`kspath`	`EdLin: finally I was sick of seeing punks screw things up`
`04:16.51`	`liable`	`where on earth is smoking cigarettes illegal?`
`04:17.00`	`timgoh0`	`liable: In air conditioned places.`
`04:17.04`	`timgoh0`	`That's a fine here.`
`04:17.08`	`kspath`	`abrotman: oh do not get me started on selective enforcment of laws`
`04:17.12`	`abrotman`	`liable: MA .. it's against the law to smoke in a bar in MA`
`04:17.13`	`liable`	`timgoh0: no, i meant country :)`
`04:17.21`	`timgoh0`	`liable: Heh.`
`04:17.29`	`EdLin`	`liable: they have laws against smoking in government buildings and in bars here, among other places.`
`04:17.48`	`ansong`	`timgoh0, they're around $4 a pack here`
`04:17.50`	`kspath`	`I am a Liberal Conservative or a Conservative Liberal not sure yet`
`04:18.01`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: we have that law here in NY too, in fact in most of the US. I think it's probably still legal in NC though.`
`04:18.02`	`abrotman`	`treehugger!`
`04:18.09`	`ansong`	`kspath, don't they call those Moderates?`
`04:18.11`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: not in philly!`
`04:18.16`	`timgoh0`	`They should just simplify the political scale to a number.`
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`04:18.29`	`timgoh0`	`Or coordinates.`
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`04:18.35`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: it's probably illegal to do healthy things in philly. ;-)`
`04:18.39`	`kspath`	`ansong: in my case I think so I am labelled by both groups`
`04:18.41`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: close`
`04:18.46`	`ansong`	`kspath, most people i know fall into the 'fiscally conservative' and 'socially liberal' camp`
`04:18.49`	`timgoh0`	`http://www.politicalcompass.org/`
`04:19.05`	`sussudio_`	`!politics`
`04:19.06`	`dpkg`	`methinks politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.]`
`04:19.08`	`kspath`	`ansong: I am a mix`
`04:19.12`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: the way i see it .. the really smokey bars are usually full of binge drinkers .. if you're a binge drinker .. you obviuously don't care about your health`
`04:19.22`	`timgoh0`	`sussudio_: Oops.`
`04:19.29`	`ansong`	`kspath, sucks to be the lone voice of reason doesn't it? sussudio_ ok. ok.`
`04:19.29`	`abrotman`	`sussudio_: make more posters!`
`04:19.38`	`sussudio_`	`abrotman: mreh.`
`04:19.44`	`abrotman`	`do eet!`
`04:19.50`	`sussudio_`	`njet`
`04:19.55`	`abrotman`	`please?!?!`
`04:19.55`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: alcahol increases nicotine metabolism or something, so the more you drink the more you smoke.`
`04:19.56`	`kspath`	`you can do eet!`
`04:20.05`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: don't i know it :)`
`04:20.11`	`stouset`	`So, out of curiosity, is there a reliable way of blacklisting modules in sid yet? I've tried the new /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist method, and it simply doesn't work. The pcspkr module still gets loaded. Is there a better solution than "mv pcspkr.ko pcspkr.ko.pissoff"?`
`04:20.18`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: i can not smoke .. except when i drink ..`
`04:20.28`	`kspath`	`Pany Mayu PaRuski?`
`04:20.29`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: I used to smoke and it happened to me. (Though I've never been a binge drinker)`
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`04:20.45`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: after about .. 2 beers .. i'll kill your mother for a smoke :)`
`04:20.52`	`stouset`	`EdLin: I find that drinking good, expensive beers tends to limit the amount of binge drinking one does.`
`04:21.14`	`ansong`	`stouset, 'cause after a couple, you can't afford a pack of smokes...`
`04:21.16`	`EdLin`	`stouset: I like fancy beers too, cheaper than fancy wine.`
`04:21.17`	`abrotman`	`stouset: you poor slob :)`
`04:21.30`	`stouset`	`EdLin: It's just not practical to binge drink Three Philosophers.`
`04:21.34`	`stouset`	`abrotman: What? :(`
`04:21.36`	`timgoh0`	`Where's asg when you need him?`
`04:21.41`	`stouset`	`Not that TP is all that expensive...`
`04:21.48`	`abrotman`	`stouset: you'd be surprised what you can binge drink`
`04:21.52`	`EdLin`	`stouset: I've never had that one. Better even than Pilsner Urquell?`
`04:22.23`	`abrotman`	`three philsophers is very good`
`04:22.28`	`abrotman`	`even if i can't spell it :)`
`04:22.39`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Haha. My friend brought home a bottle of Three Philosophers for dinner one night. 9.8% (not all that much, but to someone who drinks light beer...) ABV. His mom doesn't realize this, and pours herself a pint-sized glass, then another. And another. Hilarity ensued.`
`04:22.47`	`HermanDE`	`I live within 10 miles of 78 brew pubs...`
`04:22.53`	`HermanDE`	`Each with it's own flavor.....`
`04:22.57`	`stouset`	`EdLin: Different class of beer. This is a quadruppel. Comes in something reminiscent of a wine bottle.`
`04:23.03`	`stouset`	`HermanDE: Germany?`
`04:23.18`	`HermanDE`	`I'm swimming in the excelence of hops......`
`04:23.24`	`kspath`	`Bavaria?`
`04:23.25`	`stouset`	`HermanDE: Lucky bastard.`
`04:23.28`	`HermanDE`	`Binge drinking is almost non-existant....`
`04:23.31`	`EdLin`	`stouset: interesting.`
`04:23.41`	`*** join/#debian darkcmd (n=darkcmd@dialup-4.229.189.5.Dial1.Detroit1.Level3.net)`
`04:23.46`	`stouset`	`kspath: Bah, only Budweiser brags about it's Bavarian hops.`
`04:23.53`	`kspath`	`lol`
`04:23.59`	`HermanDE`	`PBR and HAMMS is always offered... But never touched....`
`04:24.08`	`stouset`	`HermanDE: Believe me, you'd probably be driven to binge drink if the most popular beers were Bud Lite, Coors Lite, and Miller Lite. And Michelob Ultra.`
`04:24.12`	`*** part/#debian timgoh0 (n=timgoh0@unaffiliated/timgoh0)`
`04:24.15`	`kspath`	`I am not a bier nut Stella Artois is my high end bier`
`04:24.31`	`stouset`	`kspath: Stella is not bad. Overrated, but not bad.`
`04:24.50`	`*** join/#debian predius_ (n=foo@predius.org)`
`04:24.51`	`stouset`	`I'm actually growing rather fond of the Warsteiner Dunkel. Nice, dark lager. It's also a really good beer to introduce to people who normally drink cheap stuff.`
`04:24.56`	`curt`	`scp seems pretty useful. pretty much negates the use of ftp and it can copy between two remote hosts...that's cool.`
`04:25.04`	`EdLin`	`I like local microbrewed beer because any beer tastes better when its fresh.`
`04:25.07`	`HermanDE`	`stouset: I'd suggest a move to the upper left corner of the us map....`
`04:25.12`	`stouset`	`curt: sftp is more like an ftp shell, if you want.`
`04:25.13`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: you want Yuengling!`
`04:25.19`	`*** join/#debian Keegan_Witt (n=chatzill@oh-69-68-34-241.dyn.sprint-hsd.net)`
`04:25.27`	`Minchul`	`I want to buy a new floopy`
`04:25.27`	`Minchul`	`...`
`04:25.31`	`Minchul`	`shit`
`04:25.37`	`zh`	`III`
`04:25.38`	`stouset`	`EdLin: Nah. Some beers need to be casked/cellared. It all depends on your perception of "fresh".`
`04:25.41`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: yeah, Yuengling is good. Our local beer is New Amsterdam`
`04:25.42`	`curt`	`stouset, scp seems like the ticket to me`
`04:25.44`	`HermanDE`	`Minchul: Good luck......`
`04:25.47`	`kspath`	`I do not even really like bier much I sometimes drink 1 - 2 per day they are good for your Martial Artists and Body Builders can even drink 1-2 biers per diem`
`04:25.55`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: i don't think we get that down here`
`04:26.15`	`HermanDE`	`Great Beer is like Cheese... It has to age a bit.....`
`04:26.23`	`stouset`	`HermanDE: Amen.`
`04:26.24`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: we get nasty new castle crap`
`04:26.27`	`Keegan_Witt`	`Hi, I am trying to install debian, and it gives the error that it cannot start xwindows, it may be configured incorrectly. wat can I do?`
`04:26.33`	`liable`	`kspath: beer is good for you're martial artists?`
`04:26.34`	`EdLin`	`stouset: I think you've had one too many getting ready for Jan 1st`
`04:26.37`	`abrotman`	`!drxx Keegan_Witt`
`04:26.38`	`dpkg`	`Keegan_Witt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`04:26.38`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Hey, Newcastle Brown ain't that bad.`
`04:26.42`	`HermanDE`	`That's why I like the beer commercials.... The Freshest Beer... ;)`
`04:26.46`	`abrotman`	`stouset: too much nutmeg for me`
`04:26.47`	`curt`	`ooo newbie`
`04:26.51`	`stouset`	`liable: Of course. One doesn't truly understand Aikido until one's done it inebriated.`
`04:26.56`	`abrotman`	`samne with Magic Hat`
`04:27.07`	`stouset`	`abrotman: I'll give, it's not my favorite, but it's a good one to have on occasion.`
`04:27.09`	`kspath`	`liable: anyone but they are an example of often fit/weight concious atheletes`
`04:27.20`	`HermanDE`	`Beer is simply a fruit drink... With a touch better flavor....`
`04:27.21`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Gotta find yourself a place with Old Rasputin on draught. Amazing stuff.`
`04:27.33`	`abrotman`	`stouset: i found a place .. The Drafting Room in Exton`
`04:27.36`	`Minchul`	`boot.img -> root.img -> net_drivers.img`
`04:27.37`	`Minchul`	`?`
`04:27.41`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Try any?`
`04:27.42`	`abrotman`	`stouset: i showed you the menu!`
`04:27.45`	`HermanDE`	`It has been compared to drinking orange juice or tomato stuff....`
`04:27.48`	`abrotman`	`stouset: i've not been there yet`
`04:27.50`	`stouset`	`kspath: Guinness is actually pretty good in that regard. For a dark beer, it's surprisingly low carb and low calorie.`
`04:28.12`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Oh, right. Duh. Well go there, lest I kick your scrawny, high-brau ass.`
`04:28.23`	`abrotman`	`stouset: i will beat you with an umbrella hat!`
`04:28.36`	`*** join/#debian tyndz (n=tyndz@2001:da8:b000:621b:2a1:b0ff:fe00:2fe4)`
`04:29.03`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Are you tring to install sarge or etch?`
`04:29.06`	`*** part/#debian tyndz (n=tyndz@2001:da8:b000:621b:2a1:b0ff:fe00:2fe4)`
`04:29.35`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I am trying to install sarge`
`04:29.37`	`Keegan_Witt`	`net install`
`04:29.38`	`EdLin`	`Keegan_Witt: maybe you need to "apt-get install x-window-system-core" plus your choice of window manager and xterm`
`04:29.49`	`abrotman`	`and probably a DM`
`04:29.56`	`kspath`	`openbox and aterm ?`
`04:30.12`	`*** part/#debian curt (n=curt@adsl-70-228-88-60.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net)`
`04:30.13`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I cannot sign in as root`
`04:30.21`	`Keegan_Witt`	`isn't the command sudo -s`
`04:30.39`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Are you trying to login to graphic login with root?`
`04:30.44`	`EdLin`	`Keegan_Witt: that's for Ubuntu, which has sudo installed by default. Use su and your root password.`
`04:30.46`	`Keegan_Witt`	`no, text`
`04:31.00`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Did you set a root password?`
`04:31.05`	`Keegan_Witt`	`yes`
`04:31.16`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: What is the error?`
`04:31.16`	`Minchul`	`oh shit`
`04:31.17`	`Minchul`	`..`
`04:31.18`	`Minchul`	`root.img`
`04:31.25`	`Minchul`	`CRC error`
`04:31.26`	`Minchul`	`.............`
`04:31.34`	`EdLin`	`!tell Minchul -about enter`
`04:31.35`	`kspath`	`usernames and passwords are case-sensitive`
`04:31.40`	`stouset`	`!enter`
`04:31.41`	`dpkg`	`The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).`
`04:31.41`	`HermanDE`	`Minchul: Good sign the floppy drive or disk is dead... :)`
`04:31.42`	`Keegan_Witt`	`yes, I know`
`04:31.44`	`Keegan_Witt`	`it should work`
`04:32.03`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Might want to try a USB flash.....`
`04:32.10`	`predius_`	`Guys, what do I tell a guy who thinks programming in BASIC is hardcore?`
`04:32.18`	`Keegan_Witt`	`HermanDE, to do what?`
`04:32.35`	`stouset`	`predius_: He'll make a great crappy manager some day?`
`04:32.36`	`Keegan_Witt`	`ok, ok, I got into root now`
`04:32.44`	`HermanDE`	`Let's try again... Minchul : Time for a usb drive....`
`04:32.53`	`kspath`	`predius: just walk away from him slowly then run like the wind`
`04:33.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 645] by debhelper`
`04:33.06`	`EdLin`	`predius_: I know somebody like that. He also thinks all other languages other than COBOL are unecessary too.`
`04:33.15`	`Minchul`	`:-(`
`04:33.19`	`HermanDE`	`predius_: For thoes of us who programmed in basic + assembly for non basic commands.. Time for you get a history lesson on languages......`
`04:33.27`	`stouset`	`predius_: Let me rephrase. Some day, he'll become the perfect kind of crappy manager, whom his technically-minded employees think of as a complete imbecile.`
`04:33.28`	`darkcmd`	`will this echo "Happy New Year!" at new year`
`04:33.29`	`darkcmd`	`00 24 1 1 * zachary echo "Happy New Year!"`
`04:33.33`	`darkcmd`	`in my crontab`
`04:33.34`	`Keegan_Witt`	`ok, I have xwindows`
`04:33.35`	`kspath`	`EdLin: maybe for his purposes they are :-)`
`04:33.48`	`abrotman`	`predius_: BASIC or vb ?`
`04:33.49`	`predius_`	`k, enough.`
`04:33.53`	`predius_`	`I'm going to sleep now.`
`04:33.55`	`predius_`	`G'night.`
`04:34.08`	`Keegan_Witt`	`now what is package name for gnome and xterm?`
`04:34.09`	`abrotman`	`Minchul: try another floppy disk`
`04:34.09`	`stouset`	`darkcmd: It will echo it. But in space, nobody can hear you scream.`
`04:34.14`	`EdLin`	`kspath: I've seen him struggle with gotos, they aren't, except he thinks it is.`
`04:34.23`	`abrotman`	`Keegan_Witt: apt-get install gdm gnome xterm x-window-system`
`04:34.26`	`stouset`	`darkcmd: (i.e., there's no shell attached for it to echo to)`
`04:34.31`	`Minchul`	`i have only 1 floopy disk`
`04:34.50`	`darkcmd`	`stouset: so what do I do?`
`04:34.59`	`HermanDE`	`stouset: Some of us were paid to program in Basic.. I'm talking v1.0... Not vb..`
`04:35.10`	`Keegan_Witt`	`had gnome and xwindows, but not xterm`
`04:35.11`	`kspath`	`wow`
`04:35.13`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I am getting that now`
`04:35.32`	`abrotman`	`Keegan_Witt: and gdm ?`
`04:35.38`	`stouset`	`darkcmd: echo "Blah" \| wall`
`04:35.51`	`stouset`	`darkcmd: It would be better to use at than cron, though.`
`04:35.51`	`Keegan_Witt`	`abrotman, yea, I have gnome already`
`04:35.57`	`stouset`	`darkcmd: at is suited for running things once.`
`04:36.12`	`kspath`	`I started to right a text based adventure game in basic on Apple][+ based on D&D and Paladium and GURPS and various things combined finished the char generator part`
`04:36.30`	`Keegan_Witt`	`its just sitting at 0 percent`
`04:36.36`	`Keegan_Witt`	`hmm`
`04:36.49`	`abrotman`	`Keegan_Witt: erm .. ok`
`04:36.53`	`Keegan_Witt`	`switch mirrors?`
`04:36.55`	`darkcmd`	`stouset: 00 24 1 1 * darkcmd echo "Happy New Year!" \| wall`
`04:36.58`	`darkcmd`	`is that correct?`
`04:37.02`	`abrotman`	`Keegan_Witt: hit ctrl-c .. and try again`
`04:37.08`	`kspath`	`I think that was 25 years ago hmmm`
`04:37.10`	`Minchul`	`in korea`
`04:37.13`	`Minchul`	`pm 1:37`
`04:37.27`	`abrotman`	`!qotd158`
`04:37.28`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, qotd158 is <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :(`
`04:37.31`	`Keegan_Witt`	`say error ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main lbxproxy 4`
`04:37.33`	`stouset`	`darkcmd: Dunno. Don't use cron all that often. As I said, though, at would be better for the job.`
`04:37.42`	`HermanDE`	`kspath: Yep... I was selling code in 1979... In BASIC... With assembly additions.....`
`04:37.49`	`ansong`	`time for bed. nice chatting with you all`
`04:37.55`	`Keegan_Witt`	`*4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1`
`04:38.00`	`EdLin`	`HermanDE: I still miss 6502 assembler`
`04:38.01`	`stouset`	`So, out of curiosity, is there a reliable way of blacklisting modules in sid yet? I've tried the new /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist method, and it simply doesn't work. The pcspkr module still gets loaded. Is there a better solution than "mv pcspkr.ko pcspkr.ko.pissoff"?`
`04:38.07`	`Keegan_Witt`	`could not connect to data socket, connection timed out`
`04:38.08`	`abrotman`	`beer!`
`04:38.12`	`kspath`	`I started to learn asm a few times 6502 proc?`
`04:38.13`	`stouset`	`EdLin: I miss flipping switches on the front of my cray :\`
`04:38.13`	`abrotman`	`stouset: not /msg dpkg blacklist ?`
`04:38.19`	`HermanDE`	`EdLin: It still exists....`
`04:38.26`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Only tells me to add to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.`
`04:38.27`	`abrotman`	`stouset: and make sure it's not in /etc/modules`
`04:38.29`	`Keegan_Witt`	`its at 3% of proxymngr`
`04:38.36`	`kspath`	`maybe you were 8080 or Z80`
`04:38.44`	`kspath`	`or 8088 or later`
`04:38.49`	`HermanDE`	`EdLin: If you remember 6502 assembly, then then powerpc assemby is a piece o cake....`
`04:38.59`	`abrotman`	`stouset: right ? .. not in /etc/modules ?`
`04:39.10`	`EdLin`	`kspath: no, 6502 - MOStek's clone of the Motorolla 6800`
`04:39.14`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Aye.`
`04:39.23`	`abrotman`	`stouset: are you using udev ?`
`04:39.27`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Aye.`
`04:39.41`	`abrotman`	`stouset: what module ?`
`04:39.43`	`EdLin`	`HermanDE: well, PowerPC is meant to have been easy to transision from 68K, which was 6800 (and thus 6502)'s big brother.`
`04:39.43`	`liable`	`what about discover blacklist?`
`04:39.46`	`*** join/#debian ratm_ (n=Fabian@p508F9E19.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`04:39.57`	`stouset`	`abrotman: pcspkr.`
`04:40.03`	`abrotman`	`stouset: are you serious?`
`04:40.06`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Yes.`
`04:40.13`	`abrotman`	`stouset: just disable it in the bios ? :)`
`04:40.17`	`HermanDE`	`EdLin: Yep... And I've written a few toys on the mac.. Pretty cool stuff....`
`04:40.20`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Can't. Crappy-ass BIOS.`
`04:40.28`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Can't even unhook the damn thing. Laptop.`
`04:40.32`	`Keegan_Witt`	`how many packages will it need to get for xterm?`
`04:40.33`	`kspath`	`all I member now is registers accumulator and various things like that I shoudl study asm for x86`
`04:40.46`	`EdLin`	`HermanDE: I've thought of getting a Mac. Of course, in another couple of years they will be on x86 too. :-(`
`04:41.12`	`stouset`	`abrotman: I hate annoying noises. It pisses me off when I cram the backspace key too many times and the thing beeps. Or I boot it, and as network devices come on it beeps.`
`04:41.12`	`*** join/#debian bucky (i=foobar@pdpc/supporter/active/bucky)`
`04:41.12`	`abrotman`	`stouset: toshiba!`
`04:41.35`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Dell.`
`04:41.35`	`abrotman`	`eww ..even worse!`
`04:41.35`	`HermanDE`	`EdLin: And I think that is perfect. PPC is going into smaller things.... Intel into the large toys....`
`04:41.35`	`stouset`	`abrotman: I want to physically kill people who leave sounds enabled in AIM/gaim, or online poker games, etc.`
`04:41.35`	`abrotman`	`!bell`
`04:41.36`	`dpkg`	`well, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc`
`04:41.45`	`*** join/#debian Ayang (n=Ayang@203.130.207.179)`
`04:41.55`	`EdLin`	`HermanDE: what do you think of cell?`
`04:41.57`	`Keegan_Witt`	`ok, I am supposed to pick a default display manger`
`04:42.03`	`abrotman`	`pick gdm`
`04:42.05`	`Keegan_Witt`	`my choices are gmd and xdm`
`04:42.06`	`kspath`	`gotta love ^G`
`04:42.12`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I want gdm, right?`
`04:42.19`	`abrotman`	`pick gdm`
`04:42.22`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Hey, they've been nice to me. They've basically replaced every component in my entire laptop for free. Hard drive, memory, cpu, screen, the bottom part of the case, the bezel around my LCD...`
`04:42.22`	`HermanDE`	`EdLin: I'll tell you in about 4 years.... When I get one I can hack at.....`
`04:42.55`	`abrotman`	`stouset: the point is .. you sohuldn't have to replace every part .. i haven't replaced a single part in my laptop .. and it's about 2 years old`
`04:42.59`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Bleh, I'd prefer to remove the problem at the source. And it still doesn't solve the fact that something is ignoring the blacklist :P`
`04:43.00`	`*** part/#debian ramy (n=ramy@62.135.122.240)`
`04:43.10`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I am at command line again, restart?`
`04:43.20`	`abrotman`	`stouset: if you look int he logs .. does it tell you what's loading it ?`
`04:43.21`	`*** join/#debian Omega11 (n=None@69-165-68-20.sbtnvt.adelphia.net)`
`04:43.22`	`abrotman`	`Keegan_Witt: yes`
`04:43.27`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Someone dropped it off a table.`
`04:43.33`	`Keegan_Witt`	`and do u use command line to do that? or just button?`
`04:43.35`	`abrotman`	`stouset: someone ?`
`04:43.36`	`Omega11`	`this is wishing 2006 is the year linux goes the ways of the dinosaurs`
`04:43.36`	`Omega11`	`:)`
`04:43.38`	`stouset`	`abrotman: At least, that's what I had to tell them.`
`04:43.44`	`abrotman`	`Keegan_Witt: type reboot`
`04:43.58`	`abrotman`	`!ops Omega11 has returned and started trolling again`
`04:43.59`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Omega11 has returned and started trolling again`
`04:44.01`	`Keegan_Witt`	`k`
`04:44.07`	`Omega11`	`i am toasting that linux goes bye bye`
`04:44.11`	`darkcmd`	`my crontab is complete`
`04:44.18`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: You mean... Found everywhere... Bits and pieces scattered around the globe... Part of every structure.....`
`04:44.25`	`darkcmd`	`Omega11: why are you toasting that linux goes bye bye?`
`04:44.29`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: In every fuel tank.....`
`04:44.31`	`abrotman`	`!troll`
`04:44.32`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, troll is http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html, or "one who is gaming the social dynamics of the list in order to warm his miniscule soul at the flames, not one who believes himself to be debating a point of significance (however ham-handedly)." (Michael K. Edwards)`
`04:44.44`	`bucky`	`because he's too stupid to know how to use it`
`04:44.45`	`darkcmd`	`someone boot Omega11`
`04:44.52`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: As part of the collective global history and possible future?`
`04:44.55`	`kspath`	`lol I still have Omega11 on ignore YIPPIE! I win`
`04:45.13`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: your party must really suck . 15 minutes til midnight .. and you're trolling us ...`
`04:45.30`	`HermanDE`	`kspath: It's ok.... He actually said a good thing about linux....`
`04:45.37`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Well, no. What happened was that it was booting funny. I think it was an overheating problem. I didn't really care, and then my dog jumped onto the keyboard and broke a key. So I called them over that. They replaced the keyboard, and asked if there were any other problems, so I mentioned the booting thing. So they replaced my mem/cpu/mobo. There was also a small crack on the bezel, so they offered to replace that. A few days l`
`04:45.39`	`Omega11`	`no its a good partyu`
`04:45.43`	`Omega11`	`i put down 8 shots`
`04:45.59`	`Supaplex`	`!moon Omega11`
`04:46.00`	`I4NI`	`woo an alcoholic too`
`04:46.03`	`Keegan_Witt`	`damn, does debian always take this long to load? or is it because this is 1st boot?`
`04:46.11`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Then the Dell guy broke one of the screw posts in the bottom half of my case. So they replaced that. Finally, someone knocked it off a table, and the hard drive started going wonky. So that got replaced too.`
`04:46.12`	`abrotman`	`stouset: hehe .. that's crazy`
`04:46.14`	`stouset`	`abrotman: :)`
`04:46.30`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Anyways, I hate noises. Why, do you leave pcspkr loaded? Crazy bastard.`
`04:46.32`	`Keegan_Witt`	`:0`
`04:46.41`	`abrotman`	`stouset: dunno .. should i look ?`
`04:46.45`	`darkcmd`	`pcspkr?`
`04:46.51`	`I4NI`	`pc speaker`
`04:46.57`	`stouset`	`darkcmd: The, get this, pc speaker.`
`04:46.57`	`kspath`	`Keegan_Witt: depends partially on what you load/setup and your hardware and kernel .....`
`04:46.57`	`abrotman`	`mine is loaded .. but not used`
`04:46.57`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: It's such a good party that you are spending your time typing on a keyboard?`
`04:47.05`	`stouset`	`darkcmd: Crazy what they name modules these days.`
`04:47.17`	`stouset`	`abrotman: How's that? If it's there, bash et al will generate fun beeps.`
`04:47.18`	`Keegan_Witt`	`says still cannot start the x server :(`
`04:47.27`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Any reasons?`
`04:47.28`	`Omega11`	`i am using viavoice to type`
`04:47.30`	`Omega11`	`dunmb ass`
`04:47.36`	`abrotman`	`stouset: mine doesn't beep!`
`04:47.36`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Oh. In what log would it mention the speaker getting loaded?`
`04:47.42`	`abrotman`	`oh wait .. yes it does`
`04:47.45`	`stouset`	`Omega11: dunmb is in their speech->text dictionary?`
`04:47.49`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Do you have a usb or ps/2 mouse?`
`04:47.55`	`Keegan_Witt`	`HermanDE, not that I can see`
`04:48.05`	`Keegan_Witt`	`HermanDE, I use a touchpad, its a laptop`
`04:48.05`	`Omega11`	`stouset: yes`
`04:48.10`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Do you have a mouse?`
`04:48.15`	`EdLin`	`stouset: don't feed the trolls`
`04:48.25`	`stouset`	`EdLin: Can I poke them with sharp objects?`
`04:48.27`	`Keegan_Witt`	`HermanDE, I can get 1, yes`
`04:48.31`	`Omega11`	`maybe my news years resolution should be3 not to troll`
`04:48.33`	`EdLin`	`stouset: heh`
`04:48.34`	`Omega11`	`what do you thinki`
`04:48.37`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: You need a mouse with X....`
`04:48.45`	`I4NI`	`I think your drunk`
`04:48.47`	`abrotman`	`stouset: bah . i can't find it`
`04:48.48`	`stouset`	`Omega11: You might also consider holding your liquor better. You've only had 8 shots.`
`04:48.49`	`Keegan_Witt`	`HermanDE, no touch pad?`
`04:48.53`	`abrotman`	`stouset: you could just rename the damn module :)`
`04:48.58`	`liable`	`Keegan_Witt: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.log.0`
`04:49.04`	`Keegan_Witt`	`HermanDE, I have done it in ubuntu and FC4`
`04:49.09`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: It depends on how it is connected......`
`04:49.15`	`Omega11`	`12 minutes till the new year`
`04:49.16`	`stouset`	`abrotman: That was what I initially said. "mv pcspkr.ko pcspkr.ko.pissoff" :)`
`04:49.17`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Sure.....`
`04:49.22`	`Omega11`	`im gonna try to stop masturbating`
`04:49.23`	`abrotman`	`via voice doesn't misspell like that`
`04:49.35`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: I hope I don't spend my time at a party typing on a keyboard....`
`04:49.54`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: any chance you'll celebrate outside and get stuck in a snow drift ?`
`04:50.00`	`Omega11`	`we are all here lauging at you tards`
`04:50.13`	`abrotman`	`we who?`
`04:50.32`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: When you say we... Do you include Rosie and her four wonderful girlfriends?`
`04:50.34`	`stouset`	`Omega11: You aren't the only ones laughing at you tards :)`
`04:50.43`	`I4NI`	`I think Omega11 is really sitting in his room alone, jerkin it`
`04:51.26`	`stouset`	`I think Omega11 is really Dick Clark.`
`04:51.44`	`Keegan_Witt`	`liable, nothing happens when I type that`
`04:51.46`	`Supaplex`	`news flash, nobody gives a flying fsck about Omega11`
`04:51.53`	`kspath`	`Do they keep Dick Clark in cold storage when not in use?`
`04:52.10`	`stouset`	`kspath: Yeah. Stasis does wonders for his complexion.`
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`04:52.15`	`SimonRaven`	`stouset: yeh, and when next time depmod gets run, it'll show up in lsmod`
`04:52.16`	`Keegan_Witt`	`HermanDE, no, I did, I swear it`
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`04:52.36`	`SimonRaven`	`news flash, why haven't we /ignored him/her/it yet`
`04:52.47`	`liable`	`Keegan_Witt: did you get the log name right?`
`04:52.51`	`I4NI`	`I think hes gone`
`04:52.53`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Different distros have different configs... A mouse would solve a few potential probs.....`
`04:53.07`	`stouset`	`Supaplex: Hm, there's a thought. e2fsck -y /dev/omega11.`
`04:53.15`	`Keegan_Witt`	`this is what I type in root: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.log.0`
`04:53.16`	`Omega11`	`yes`
`04:53.20`	`Omega11`	`my file system is fucked`
`04:53.23`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: i tried to op you .. it didn't work`
`04:53.35`	`stouset`	`SimonRaven: Won't load as it'd have a different extension though, no? depmod ignores anything not ko.`
`04:53.42`	`SimonRaven`	`no, you have to get chanserv to do it`
`04:53.52`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: oh .. come on :)`
`04:53.59`	`SimonRaven`	`seriously`
`04:54.10`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: Have you tried "rm -rf /"?`
`04:54.12`	`SimonRaven`	`as in /msg chanserv op $nick`
`04:54.19`	`stouset`	`SimonRaven: We have ignored him. Doesn't stop us from making fun of him.`
`04:54.20`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: i know how to use it :)`
`04:54.48`	`SimonRaven`	`stouset: mm, i've seen modules get loaded anyway, don't remember the file name it had though :/`
`04:54.51`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Make sure to set $nick = stouset first.`
`04:54.55`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`04:54.58`	`SimonRaven`	`stouset: hehe, true`
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`04:55.06`	`roue`	`hola debianistas`
`04:55.15`	`Tarantulafudge`	`I have a full blown debian server, are there any steps I can take to make sure I don't get hacked? (I did the cracklib) but the guides are pretty old`
`04:55.16`	`stouset`	`roue: Bienvenido!`
`04:55.28`	`SimonRaven`	`roue: tansi`
`04:55.38`	`abrotman`	`!securing debian`
`04:55.38`	`dpkg`	`[securing debian] at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html`
`04:55.46`	`roue`	`hola is actually the only non-english word I know :)`
`04:55.51`	`stouset`	`Tarantulafudge: Read the Securing Debian Howto.`
`04:55.54`	`SimonRaven`	`Tarantulafudge: competent admin, good security policy and ^^^`
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`04:56.14`	`HermanDE`	`Tarantulafudge: Read the F*** pubs.....`
`04:56.23`	`HermanDE`	`Tarantulafudge: Use Google....`
`04:56.36`	`HermanDE`	`Tarantulafudge: Join the Debian Security mail list.....`
`04:56.44`	`HermanDE`	`Tarantulafudge: Be proactive......`
`04:56.50`	`SimonRaven`	`tansi is a shortened form of some really long cree word that means 'hello at you'`
`04:56.57`	`stouset`	`Tarantulafudge: Other than that, just follow some common sense ideas. Use something like logcheck to monitor logs, a filesystem checker like samhain/tripwire/aide to make sure files don't change, run daemons chrooted, firewall off incoming/outgoing traffic that's not critical to the function of the server, don't log in as root (only issue root commands through sudo, which gets logged) etc...`
`04:56.58`	`HermanDE`	`Tarantulafudge: Remember it really is fun......`
`04:57.09`	`stouset`	`Back in 4 minutes.`
`04:57.17`	`roue`	`ah. sanks.`
`04:57.32`	`stouset`	`Apparently there's some sort of tradition in my household of watching a large ball plummet from the top of a tall building, into a screaming mass of people below.`
`04:57.38`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I plugged in a mouse, it still will not boot`
`04:57.41`	`roue`	`good luck.`
`04:57.45`	`stouset`	`With any luck, a few people will be crushed this year. Last year was a disappointment.`
`04:57.48`	`SimonRaven`	`do they get crushed? that would suck`
`04:57.50`	`abrotman`	`stouset: Armageddon ?`
`04:57.51`	`roue`	`the mouse is supposed to boot?`
`04:58.02`	`stouset`	`roue: Of course, you fool. It's running WinCE.`
`04:58.05`	`stouset`	`Back in 3. :P`
`04:58.08`	`roue`	`ahh.`
`04:58.09`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: try more /var/log/XFree86.log.0`
`04:58.09`	`Omega11`	`2 minutes`
`04:58.10`	`roue`	`er. wha?`
`04:58.14`	`Omega11`	`lets all countdown`
`04:58.21`	`SimonRaven`	`let's not`
`04:58.24`	`roue`	`still got an hour to go here in MN.`
`04:58.26`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Look towards the bottom for the last errors.....`
`04:58.33`	`I4NI`	`two hours to go here`
`04:58.38`	`Omega11`	`1 minute 30 seconds`
`04:58.44`	`abrotman`	`count faster`
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`04:58.49`	`roue`	`I think we're all gonna die. this 2006 thing is a scam.`
`04:58.50`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: Are "WE" counting down?..`
`04:59.00`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: You don't have that many fingers......`
`04:59.04`	`Supaplex`	`don't forget the leap second`
`04:59.07`	`Omega11`	`1 minhute`
`04:59.18`	`Omega11`	`the leap second occured at 7pm`
`04:59.26`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: There goes that via voice again....`
`04:59.43`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: Must change the oil in the mike... Might make it work better.....`
`04:59.49`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I don't see any errors, it say bash: /var/log/XFree86.log.0: No such file or directory`
`04:59.50`	`liable`	`he's drunk :)`
`05:00.02`	`abrotman`	`and a bad liar .. and a troll`
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`05:00.07`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Try issuing the command startx`
`05:00.09`	`AciD`	`happy new year debianers !`
`05:00.34`	`HermanDE`	`abrotman: He is a very...very lonly person in a very quiet room... What do you expect?`
`05:00.36`	`I4NI`	`Happy New Years to you, I still got 2 hours to go`
`05:00.37`	`deuce868`	`happy new year from EST`
`05:00.52`	`Keegan_Witt`	`fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server`
`05:01.03`	`Keegan_Witt`	`fatal server error: no screens found`
`05:01.09`	`Omega11`	`woot its 2006`
`05:01.10`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Is there anything else above that?`
`05:01.21`	`Keegan_Witt`	`several lines saying no symbols found`
`05:01.22`	`beardy`	`!drxx Keegan_Witt`
`05:01.22`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: There goes that via voice again....`
`05:01.22`	`dpkg`	`Keegan_Witt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`05:01.23`	`Omega11`	`everyone lets have a toast woot`
`05:01.37`	`abrotman`	`!toast`
`05:01.38`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, toast is a foreign substance entered through one of the bodys many holes that can be used as an energy source. A man once said that toast is great with marmite - but you either love it or you hate it, personally i prefer cheese on my toast, red leicester cheese...... my mouth be watering.......`
`05:01.49`	`beardy`	`!no screens found`
`05:01.50`	`dpkg`	`no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x".`
`05:02.20`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Sounds like you may be missing some libraries....`
`05:02.44`	`beardy`	`!marmite`
`05:02.45`	`dpkg`	`well, marmite is The One True *Mite.`
`05:02.46`	`Omega11`	`you know what the sad part is`
`05:02.48`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I typed teh reconfigure thing, I am at whre I pick x server driver`
`05:03.01`	`Omega11`	`we have to wait another 365 days for another new years eve celebration`
`05:03.03`	`Omega11`	`sad huh`
`05:03.04`	`I4NI`	`what that your still here Omega11 ?`
`05:03.08`	`beardy`	`hmm, I thought that contained more..`
`05:03.22`	`Keegan_Witt`	`dpkg, do I pick vga?`
`05:03.32`	`SimonRaven`	`i don't get it. people getting all excited about adding a year to the gregorian calendar. yet another excuse to get drunk`
`05:03.37`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: That is only 364 more days to wait for the next party with Rosie....`
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`05:03.51`	`SimonRaven`	`rosie palm?`
`05:03.55`	`HermanDE`	`SimonRaven: excuses are great....`
`05:04.19`	`darkcmd`	`ok`
`05:04.23`	`darkcmd`	`it officially is a new year`
`05:04.24`	`HermanDE`	`SimonRaven: They can cover everything from the reason a server melted to an unexpected child.....`
`05:04.33`	`Omega11`	`just about 1995 years and we can celbrate the turn of the milenium`
`05:04.39`	`abrotman`	`HermanDE: and both with the same excuse!`
`05:04.41`	`beardy`	`dpkg: what are you`
`05:04.42`	`dpkg`	`I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>`
`05:04.52`	`beardy`	`!botsnack`
`05:04.53`	`dpkg`	`thanks, beardy`
`05:04.54`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: why is the sky blue ?`
`05:04.57`	`dpkg`	`abrotman: what are you talking about?`
`05:04.58`	`Keegan_Witt`	`dpkg, I must now enter vidio card's bus identifier`
`05:05.03`	`Keegan_Witt`	`what is that?`
`05:05.03`	`abrotman`	`Keegan_Witt: leave it blank`
`05:05.13`	`abrotman`	`Keegan_Witt: dpkg is a bot ...`
`05:05.16`	`Justin`	`Keegan_Witt: vga bad. no vga.`
`05:05.22`	`SimonRaven`	`oh don't let me get you down, i just don't get it (anymore)`
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`05:05.25`	`Keegan_Witt`	`now it ask for amout of memory for card`
`05:05.38`	`beardy`	`Keegan_Witt: blank`
`05:05.39`	`abrotman`	`blank`
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`05:06.10`	`Justin`	`Keegan_Witt: no. reconfigure. vesa. no vga.`
`05:06.11`	`Supaplex`	`now count every bit`
`05:06.12`	`EdLin`	`Keegan_Witt: you shouldn't have picked "vga"`
`05:06.20`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: Debian was at one time considered the distribution that a chicken could install... Just go with the defaults....`
`05:06.23`	`Keegan_Witt`	`oh`
`05:06.35`	`abrotman`	`HermanDE: yeah .. last week :)`
`05:06.42`	`Keegan_Witt`	`wat is default then, if not vga?`
`05:06.51`	`beardy`	`Keegan_Witt: vesa`
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`05:07.12`	`HermanDE`	`abrotman: I just did 2 sarge installs... My first in quite some time... I actually had to type things into the installer.... Geeze.....`
`05:07.19`	`EdLin`	`Keegan_Witt: you really should pick what your video card is for decent performance, but if you really don't know what is your video card, pick vesa.`
`05:07.25`	`abrotman`	`HermanDE: heh`
`05:07.29`	`Keegan_Witt`	`it is radeon`
`05:07.37`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I pick ati last time`
`05:07.37`	`HermanDE`	`Keegan_Witt: then select radeon.....`
`05:07.39`	`Omega11`	`so why you guys saying im not having a good party`
`05:07.46`	`Keegan_Witt`	`there is no radeon to select`
`05:07.47`	`Omega11`	`your all in here typing on new years eve :)`
`05:07.49`	`liable`	`ati..`
`05:07.53`	`EdLin`	`Keegan_Witt: are you running an ATI Raedon chipset card? If so, yes`
`05:07.56`	`abrotman`	`Omega11: so are you`
`05:08.03`	`I4NI`	`Im going somewhere at 11`
`05:08.04`	`SimonRaven`	`Omega11: because you're here bitching about it`
`05:08.29`	`HermanDE`	`Omega11: Yep... And we admit that you are really needy....`
`05:08.30`	`Keegan_Witt`	`it is radeon, but the ati I already had and it wont boot`
`05:08.51`	`EdLin`	`Keegan_Witt: then run vesa until you can figure out what card you have with lspci`
`05:09.00`	`I4NI`	`WOOT hes gone`
`05:09.26`	`SimonRaven`	`doh! he/she/it got a clue`
`05:09.41`	`HermanDE`	`Wow... I wonder if we struck some sort of nerve... Must capture for future reference....`
`05:09.46`	`beardy`	`He bit himself in the tail.`
`05:10.01`	`GregorR-L`	`Well`
`05:10.06`	`GregorR-L`	`Not New Years here yet`
`05:10.11`	`I4NI`	`here either`
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`05:10.20`	`GregorR-L`	`Three hours`
`05:10.29`	`GregorR-L`	`But they're celebrating on the east oaost.`
`05:10.34`	`GregorR-L`	`Coast even`
`05:10.42`	`HermanDE`	`Well folks.... Time for me to embib in the current excuse to drink.....`
`05:10.43`	`I4NI`	`My friend's band is playing tonight to bring in the new year`
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`05:11.41`	`Keegan_Witt`	`wat port do I pick for mouse for touchpad?`
`05:11.57`	`Gnea`	`happy new years%*^#)@$(`
`05:12.03`	`Gnea`	`!beer #debian`
`05:12.09`	`abrotman`	`Gnea!`
`05:12.15`	`Gnea`	`word`
`05:12.56`	`Keegan_Witt`	`which mouse port should I use?`
`05:13.05`	`Gnea`	`the one that fits`
`05:13.27`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: that on a laptop?`
`05:13.34`	`Keegan_Witt`	`gnea, yes`
`05:14.02`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: it's probably ps/2 or usb - test it: cat /dev/psaux and move your finger over the touchpad - do you see crap fill the terminal?`
`05:16.32`	`I4NI`	`all right, time to hit up the bars, adios`
`05:16.42`	`Keegan_Witt`	`cat/dev/psaux says no such file or directory`
`05:17.14`	`Justin`	`/dev/psaux no more in 2.6, /dev/input/mice for all mice`
`05:17.38`	`Keegan_Witt`	`says permission denied`
`05:17.39`	`I4NI`	`bah Supaplex`
`05:17.40`	`Gnea`	`Justin: you are wrong.`
`05:17.44`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: try it as root`
`05:17.50`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I am root`
`05:17.55`	`Justin`	`Gnea: not uh`
`05:18.07`	`Gnea`	`Justin: i'm running 2.6 and /dev/psaux works just fine.`
`05:18.20`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: ls -l /dev/psaux <-- what's that say?`
`05:18.24`	`dli`	`how to query dpkg? it's disabled by default`
`05:18.31`	`Supaplex`	`!test`
`05:18.32`	`dpkg`	`No, supaplex, you're not online any more.`
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`05:19.23`	`dli`	`Supaplex, some stupid channel op banned me for doing ! with dpkg`
`05:19.25`	`Keegan_Witt`	`ls: invalid option --/`
`05:19.27`	`Justin`	`Gnea: sure it does :-P`
`05:19.41`	`Supaplex`	`dli: then msg it`
`05:19.50`	`stouset`	`Damn. No luck this year either.`
`05:20.14`	`dli`	`Supaplex, it won't open the tab, I think because of set mode`
`05:20.25`	`stouset`	`I mean, how do you miss? There's throngs of crowds down there in the streets of New York. You drop a giant, 30-foot ball off a building, and how the hell do you miss?`
`05:20.37`	`dli`	`Supaplex, I got no reply from /msg dpkg`
`05:20.38`	`stouset`	`They need better planning.`
`05:20.53`	`Keegan_Witt`	`ls -l says total 0`
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`05:21.25`	`Justin`	`Keegan_Witt: load psmouse, use /dev/input/mice`
`05:22.03`	`Keegan_Witt`	`use: command not found`
`05:22.05`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: oh, it doesn't exist? try Justin's suggestion then`
`05:22.12`	`Gnea`	`heh`
`05:22.27`	`Gnea`	`Linux version 2.6.12-sid (root@teletrantwo) (gcc version 3.4.5 20050821 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.4-8)) #3 Sat Sep 3 02:13:08 MST 2005`
`05:22.32`	`Gnea`	`crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 1 2005-12-15 05:09 /dev/psaux`
`05:22.48`	`Keegan_Witt`	`bash: /dev/input/mice: permission denied`
`05:22.49`	`Gnea`	`sure enough, if i cat it and move this usb mouse around, i get crap in the terminal`
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`05:23.05`	`adrakoa`	`HAPPY NEW YEAR :)`
`05:23.07`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: you have to use the 'su' command first`
`05:23.12`	`paces`	`adrakoa: same to you`
`05:23.13`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I am root`
`05:23.15`	`Gnea`	`!beer adrakoa`
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`05:23.26`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: what kernel?`
`05:23.32`	`Gnea`	`specifically`
`05:23.36`	`stouset`	`Keegan_Witt: Um, use isn't a command.`
`05:23.38`	`Keegan_Witt`	`idk`
`05:23.44`	`Gnea`	`cat /proc/version`
`05:23.47`	`Gnea`	`!newbie-guide`
`05:23.48`	`dpkg`	`from memory, newbie-guide is you've decided to do away with windows or are pondering it and want to use Linux.. good for you! But this isn't windows, you can't just install it and be up and running unless it's a livecd, that isn't even finished yet.. you need to RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) which are located at http://www.justlinux.com and http://www.tldp.org, also see http://www.debian.org and http://www.google.com chances are they know the answer!`
`05:23.49`	`Keegan_Witt`	`I just used net install of sarge`
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`05:24.02`	`stouset`	`Keegan_Witt: I think he meant, load the psmouse module, and the mouse device should be /dev/input/mice`
`05:24.08`	`Justin`	`how do you managet to get the mouse to not work? really?`
`05:24.14`	`Justin`	`if you hit enter a lot sarge works`
`05:24.14`	`Minchul`	`!newbie-guide`
`05:24.14`	`dpkg`	`[newbie-guide] you've decided to do away with windows or are pondering it and want to use Linux.. good for you! But this isn't windows, you can't just install it and be up and running unless it's a livecd, that isn't even finished yet.. you need to RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) which are located at http://www.justlinux.com and http://www.tldp.org, also see http://www.debian.org and http://www.google.com chances are they know the answer!`
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`05:24.26`	`dli`	`! XlibConf.h`
`05:24.50`	`adrakoa`	`man -k <- is a good option`
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`05:25.02`	`Keegan_Witt`	`i typed su /dev/input/mice it say unknown id`
`05:25.05`	`liable`	`!tell dli about search`
`05:25.07`	`Minchul`	`how can i change ip setting?`
`05:25.14`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: type su on it's own`
`05:25.15`	`Supaplex`	`man 5 interfaces`
`05:25.19`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: no arguments`
`05:25.23`	`Gnea`	`!interfaces`
`05:25.23`	`dpkg`	`Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route"`
`05:25.34`	`Keegan_Witt`	`oh, I already did that earlier, I am in root now`
`05:25.51`	`SimonRaven`	`Keegan_Witt: um`
`05:26.00`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: that can't be... type this: id`
`05:26.08`	`Justin`	`SimonRaven: he has been typing /dev/input/mice, not cat /dev/input/mice`
`05:26.23`	`SimonRaven`	`i know. and hi Justin :)`
`05:26.28`	`Gnea`	`yeah, taking things too literally`
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`05:26.41`	`Keegan_Witt`	`uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)`
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`05:26.44`	`clara`	`haiiii`
`05:26.51`	`clara`	`haiii`
`05:26.54`	`Gnea`	`welp, that confirms that`
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`05:26.59`	`Keegan_Witt`	`:)`
`05:27.05`	`Gnea`	`clara: yes, did you want something?`
`05:27.08`	`Gnea`	`fine`
`05:27.10`	`Gnea`	`:P`
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`05:27.58`	`Keegan_Witt`	`cat /dev/input/mice`
`05:28.02`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: ok, now: cat /proc/version`
`05:28.03`	`Keegan_Witt`	`just sits there`
`05:28.10`	`Gnea`	`oh`
`05:28.11`	`Gnea`	`good`
`05:28.14`	`liable`	`Keegan_Witt: move the mouse`
`05:28.17`	`Gnea`	`now move the mouse around while it sits there`
`05:28.27`	`Keegan_Witt`	`nuthin happens`
`05:28.32`	`Gnea`	`ok`
`05:28.47`	`Gnea`	`!laptop`
`05:28.47`	`dpkg`	`All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/`
`05:29.09`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: check that first url out - find your laptop make and model there and follow the instructions that someone prepared for it`
`05:29.20`	`Minchul`	`compaq armada m300`
`05:29.32`	`liable`	`Keegan_Witt: what did you choose for mouse when you configured x?`
`05:29.39`	`Gnea`	`Minchul: what?`
`05:29.41`	`Minchul`	`setup compleate(3.1)`
`05:29.43`	`Minchul`	`..`
`05:29.45`	`Keegan_Witt`	`uhh psa2 I think`
`05:29.46`	`Minchul`	`complete`
`05:29.46`	`Minchul`	`...`
`05:30.06`	`Keegan_Witt`	`the page on the touchpad for my model is TODO`
`05:30.49`	`Keegan_Witt`	`on another page it say use xorg`
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`05:31.07`	`Gnea`	`Keegan_Witt: is it a compaq armada m300?`
`05:31.17`	`Keegan_Witt`	`no, dell 6000`
`05:31.32`	`Gnea`	`dell what 6000?`
`05:31.52`	`Keegan_Witt`	`oh insipiron`
`05:31.55`	`chino2`	`happy new years`
`05:32.01`	`Gnea`	`!beer chino2`
`05:32.14`	`chino2`	`!weel Gnea`
`05:32.16`	`adrakoa`	`chino2 happy for you too :)`
`05:32.18`	`Supaplex`	`http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=172649&cid=14373192`
`05:32.19`	`chino2`	`/weel/weed`
`05:32.31`	`deadcat`	`dont know why you guys are so into holidays. its JUST a day.`
`05:32.32`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`05:32.39`	`Supaplex`	`^l^d^ in bash. =)`
`05:32.43`	`Gnea`	`deadcat: YOUR MOM.`
`05:32.56`	`Supaplex`	`not deadcat! it's my moms turn g`
`05:32.56`	`deadcat`	`Gnea: fuck you asswhole`
`05:32.59`	`liable`	`deadcat: its an excuse to have some fun?`
`05:33.10`	`deadcat`	`liable: (=`
`05:33.12`	`Gnea`	`stupid college kids :P`
`05:33.18`	`deadcat`	`liable: i do that everyday hehe`
`05:33.20`	`Keegan_Witt`	`looks like some people had to manually configure the xorg.conf`
`05:33.26`	`liable`	`heh`
`05:33.42`	`close_to_debian`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:33.50`	`close_to_debian`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:33.56`	`close_to_debian`	`without amending code`
`05:34.11`	`adrakoa`	`Keegan_Witt man xorg, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.`
`05:34.15`	`Gnea`	`close_to_debian: spit in your hands and count to three.`
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`05:34.29`	`close_to_debian`	`Gnea: Any ideas`
`05:34.43`	`Gnea`	`close_to_debian: clap them fast and hard.`
`05:34.58`	`close_to_debian`	`Gnea: hahaha`
`05:35.33`	`Keegan_Witt`	`what is command to install xorg? maybe I don't have it`
`05:35.38`	`Gnea`	`!xorg`
`05:35.38`	`dpkg`	`i heard xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg`
`05:35.44`	`stouset`	`Gnea: Actually, according to his statement, he hasn't figured it out.`
`05:35.46`	`adrakoa`	`alcohol is GOOD :)!!!!! make vodka, insmod drunk :)`
`05:35.48`	`Minchul`	`what is the inetd?`
`05:35.56`	`liable`	`Keegan_Witt: you dont, its not in the debian repo's for sarge`
`05:36.03`	`Justin`	`adrakoa: vodka indeed good`
`05:36.31`	`adrakoa`	`Minchul inetd is the sense of server`
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`05:36.34`	`Gnea`	`close_to_debian: sorry, that's such a generic question - we don't do vagueness here`
`05:36.48`	`Minchul`	`adrakoa: thanks :)`
`05:37.05`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: the current releases of xorg are 6.9 and 7.0`
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`05:37.40`	`adrakoa`	`Minchul thx nothing, vi /etc/inittab, ls /etc/init.d/`
`05:37.54`	`Gnea`	`EdLin: naked penguins.`
`05:38.05`	`Supaplex`	`0 is my favorite default run level! yay!`
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`05:38.21`	`Minchul`	`oh..`
`05:38.23`	`SimonRaven`	`"halting"`
`05:38.26`	`Minchul`	`very thanks adrakoa :)`
`05:38.30`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: check out http://x.org if you don't believe me, it's on the top of the page.`
`05:39.08`	`Gnea`	`EdLin: right.`
`05:39.31`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: so someone needs to change dpkg's factoid`
`05:40.02`	`Gnea`	`EdLin: in debian it's 6.9 or 7.0?`
`05:40.08`	`Supaplex`	`well then what are you waiting for g`
`05:40.22`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: 6.9 is already on the way to sid.`
`05:40.29`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: or was that 7.0?`
`05:40.33`	`SimonRaven`	`6.9`
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`05:40.38`	`Gnea`	`EdLin: oh, so it's not actually in sid yet?`
`05:40.55`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: it will be in a few weeks assuming nothing goes wrong.`
`05:41.02`	`Gnea`	`EdLin: which would make the current release 6.8 still, right?`
`05:41.26`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: stable doesn't change - but stable doesn't have xorg.`
`05:41.33`	`Gnea`	`!xorg stable`
`05:41.39`	`Gnea`	`!xorg sarge`
`05:41.40`	`dpkg`	`[xorg sarge] now available at http://backports.org/`
`05:41.44`	`SimonRaven`	`6.9 is in sid; 6.99whatever is in experimental`
`05:41.48`	`Gnea`	`EdLin: it doesn't?`
`05:42.19`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: well, I assume backports will change accordingly. It's third party, you can get any kind of xorg that way soon I assume.`
`05:42.33`	`Gnea`	`!assume`
`05:42.33`	`dpkg`	`from memory, assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me`
`05:42.43`	`adrakoa`	`xfree86==false`
`05:42.48`	`SimonRaven`	`more DDs are getting involved with backports.org.`
`05:42.49`	`Supaplex`	`cute`
`05:43.00`	`Gnea`	`wow, 6.9 is the latest. rock on. i hadn't done an update in a few days`
`05:43.05`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: there will be enough people that want to run 6.9 that it will be backported via some third party repository promptly.`
`05:43.11`	`SimonRaven`	`(not implying anything here, just a statement)`
`05:43.11`	`relic`	`xfree86 long life!`
`05:43.26`	`Gnea`	`EdLin: your case is secure.`
`05:43.42`	`Supaplex`	`a pc w/no power is pretty secure :)`
`05:43.50`	`SimonRaven`	`basket case? :P`
`05:44.11`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: my cases are always secure. ;-)`
`05:44.19`	`bam`	`anybody know a cmd line tool available in debian for extracting iso and/or bin files?`
`05:44.30`	`adrakoa`	`i'm happy with a lot of options.... live free software`
`05:44.47`	`Gnea`	`!xorg`
`05:44.47`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.9. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg`
`05:44.57`	`Gnea`	`!beer EdLin`
`05:45.02`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`05:45.05`	`EdLin`	`yum`
`05:45.31`	`EdLin`	`SimonRaven: we're all basket cases here, welcoming in the New Year on IRC`
`05:45.40`	`adrakoa`	`dpkg knows ...`
`05:45.56`	`EdLin`	`Gnea: there you go. :-)`
`05:45.59`	`SimonRaven`	`dpkg knows all`
`05:46.00`	`dpkg`	`Bob knows what he's talking about! Listen to Bob!`
`05:46.11`	`SimonRaven`	`see?`
`05:46.12`	`Gnea`	`SimonRaven: but will it stop a tidal wave in mid-air? ;)`
`05:46.33`	`SimonRaven`	`no, just a buncha electrons, silly ;)`
`05:46.44`	`undefined`	`bam: readcd`
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`05:46.47`	`Gnea`	`you forgot the silicon*^%#@$`
`05:46.56`	`Supaplex`	`and the copper`
`05:46.57`	`Gnea`	`and the wafer boards`
`05:47.10`	`SimonRaven`	`sillycon what?`
`05:47.20`	`Gnea`	`beast`
`05:47.22`	`Supaplex`	`did we mention capacitors?`
`05:47.23`	`undefined`	`bam: i presume you mean creating an iso from a physical cd(-r/rw)`
`05:47.48`	`Gnea`	`socket levers`
`05:47.48`	`EdLin`	`Supaplex: I resist-or making a further component suggeston.`
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`05:48.14`	`bam`	`undefined, no, actually i'm looking to take and iso or bin file and extract the contents, as if it were any kind of archived file`
`05:48.25`	`SimonRaven`	`hick`
`05:48.26`	`undefined`	`bam: ah`
`05:48.37`	`EdLin`	`bam: mount it as a loop device`
`05:48.42`	`liable`	`bam: mount it`
`05:48.45`	`undefined`	`bam: you want a user-land isofs implementation`
`05:48.49`	`undefined`	`bam: ?`
`05:49.18`	`bam`	`gonna try to mount it, never thought of that`
`05:49.21`	`EdLin`	`bam: mount my.iso -r -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt`
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`05:50.31`	`Supaplex`	`EdLin: hehe nice =)`
`05:51.37`	`EdLin`	`Far-aday it be from me to continue this thread`
`05:51.52`	`bam`	`beautiful. many thanks for the mounting idea. i feel silly for not thinking of it :)`
`05:52.16`	`EdLin`	`bam: np`
`05:52.32`	`Supaplex`	`be carefull what you mount. you might end up with children.`
`05:52.53`	`Supaplex`	`old pesky filesystems are know for that ;)`
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`05:54.11`	`undefined`	`does anybody know when the debian bittorrent tracker (bttracker.acc.umu.se) will be back online?`
`05:54.29`	`dli`	`any reason why gdm depends on libsmbclient ?`
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`05:57.26`	`stouset`	`undefined: Didn't know there was one.`
`05:57.32`	`stouset`	`dli: Directly? Or through gnomevfs?`
`05:57.38`	`undefined`	`http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/`
`05:58.06`	`bucky`	`someone should unban mwilson`
`05:58.07`	`dli`	`stouset, If I do "apt-get install gdm", it will install libsmbclient`
`05:58.07`	`Supaplex`	`there's a linux mirror that provides bt downloads`
`05:58.25`	`dli`	`stouset, quiet silly, I don't have samba at all`
`05:58.30`	`stouset`	`dli: gdm depends on gnomevfs, which depends on libsmbclient.`
`05:58.53`	`dli`	`stouset, kdm doesn't support auto-login user`
`05:59.14`	`stouset`	`dli: What's the problem, anyways?`
`05:59.48`	`dli`	`stouset, I want gdm, but don't want so many dependencies :(`
`06:00.26`	`Supaplex`	`roll your own package =-)`
`06:00.39`	`dli`	`stouset, anything lighter with Menu for sessions and supports auto-login ?`
`06:01.03`	`stouset`	`dli: xdm. Why don't you want so many dependencies?`
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`06:01.16`	`thompsbm`	`Error Loading extension section server`
`06:01.16`	`thompsbm`	`<thompsbm> ./build-key-server server`
`06:01.22`	`dli`	`stouset, does xdm has any menu support?`
`06:01.31`	`dli`	`stouset, if so, I will try it`
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`06:01.58`	`SimonRaven`	`no`
`06:02.06`	`thompsbm`	`any ideas what might be cuasing this when i try to generate CA`
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`06:02.42`	`SimonRaven`	`if you want simple xdm is it`
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`06:03.13`	`dli`	`SimonRaven, I want a session menu and auto-login`
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`06:03.22`	`Pascat`	`Hellos... I need some help with a bug o.o none of my xine applications want to work anymore o.o`
`06:03.32`	`SimonRaven`	`then you don't want that`
`06:04.22`	`dorto`	`is there a way in which apt-get install will display the web links from where it is getting different files while installing a package?`
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`06:04.56`	`SimonRaven`	`apt-cache policy <package name>; man apt-cache; man apt`
`06:05.16`	`Supaplex`	`If anyone has insights on how to confront a deadlocked process issue, please advise. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/12/msg03371.html xsane hasn't returned from a block read while enumerating the scsi bus (as far as I can tell)`
`06:05.34`	`thompsbm`	`any ideas what might be cuasing this when i try to generate CA`
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`06:06.32`	`dorto`	`SimonRaven: if you have used gentoo, is it similar to emerge -fp ?`
`06:06.33`	`ximi`	`How do I check what process is using my cdrom ?`
`06:06.46`	`happybunny`	`ps -ef\|grep cdrom?`
`06:06.48`	`ximi`	`Because I can't umount it`
`06:06.52`	`happybunny`	`umount -l`
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`06:07.00`	`happybunny`	`that will unmount it`
`06:07.04`	`kspath`	`ximi: are you in its path?`
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`06:07.17`	`ximi`	`kspath, no no, I had everything closed`
`06:07.17`	`kspath`	`ximi: cd ~ then try again`
`06:07.34`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`is there a guide to what exactly the colors mean when you use colors for ls, cuz I got some directories with green backgrounds and some without and I can't figure out what's the difference between them`
`06:08.15`	`undefined`	`ximi: lsof \| grep /dev/cdrom`
`06:08.53`	`undefined`	`ximi: assuming a user-land process is using it`
`06:09.15`	`ximi`	`using umount -l it unmounted then as root it "eject"ed`
`06:09.22`	`ximi`	`So thanks you guys.`
`06:09.31`	`SimonRaven`	`dorto: i don't know`
`06:09.46`	`SimonRaven`	`go read`
`06:09.54`	`SimonRaven`	`g'night`
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`06:10.02`	`ximi`	`undefined, that's exactly what I wanted . thanks.`
`06:11.04`	`ximi`	`undefined, unfortunetly it seems that lsof can't stat ext3 filesystems.`
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`06:14.40`	`dorto`	`how can we see the packages on which another package(say xmms) depends?`
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`06:14.43`	`_Junior_`	`happy new year ! :)`
`06:14.46`	`dli`	`which package for error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool`
`06:14.52`	`undefined`	`ximi: are you talking about the warning at the top of lsof output?`
`06:15.09`	`undefined`	`ximi: or did you read it somewhere else`
`06:15.13`	`ximi`	`undefined, yeah. That's a valid warning right?`
`06:15.30`	`undefined`	`ximi: mine is pretty specific: "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev"`
`06:16.04`	`undefined`	`ximi: so it only applies to /dev/.static/dev which is due to udev (i believe)`
`06:16.11`	`Pascat`	`Any of you able to help me fix a crashing issue on any Xine applications? o.o`
`06:16.13`	`ximi`	`undefined, hmm. yeah mine too. I guess you make a good point. Not _all_ ext3s are unstatable`
`06:17.29`	`ximi`	`Pascat, dunno. Start by posting an error or something.`
`06:17.32`	`undefined`	`ximi: fyi, all my file systems are ext3 and lsof has never failed me`
`06:17.55`	`ximi`	`undefined, that's good news.`
`06:18.10`	`Pascat`	`gxine/ Erreur de segmentation(Segment Error)`
`06:18.15`	`ximi`	`because all of my fs-es are ext3 too.`
`06:18.31`	`ximi`	`Pascat, lol. that's like French, eh?`
`06:18.41`	`Pascat`	`yes, French`
`06:18.53`	`ximi`	`Pascat, that however doesn't say much at all. It could be due to so many things.`
`06:19.02`	`Pascat`	`Yes, I know o.o`
`06:19.10`	`ximi`	`Pascat, run it from terminal it might give you more details`
`06:19.23`	`Pascat`	`I'm running it from terminal o.o`
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`06:19.36`	`Pascat`	`It doesn't even start`
`06:19.42`	`ximi`	`Pascat, sorry, not much I can do.`
`06:19.44`	`Pascat`	`Splash screen starts, then it crashes right away`
`06:20.02`	`Pascat`	`I've a core file too if it helps...`
`06:20.07`	`ximi`	`Pascat, are you using a file as argument or just plain "gxine"?`
`06:20.15`	`Pascat`	`just plain gxine`
`06:20.18`	`ximi`	`Pascat, that might help.`
`06:20.30`	`ximi`	`Paste it in a bin somewhere.`
`06:20.45`	`Pascat`	`Any bins I can paste it in?`
`06:20.59`	`ximi`	`Pascat, dunno, just google one.`
`06:21.13`	`undefined`	`pascat: google "nopaste"`
`06:21.14`	`jadewolf`	`Hello, I was wondering if you think debian would be a good returning linux as I've been ... playing mostly windows games for 9 months and kinda became... retarded when it comes to linux, I just tried to install gentoo about 5 times and can't do it so I know debian used to be good, is it still a very well maintained OS?`
`06:21.27`	`Pascat`	`... Its a binary thing o.o`
`06:21.41`	`Pascat`	`there's nothing to read without a program to decode it I guess...`
`06:22.29`	`undefined`	`pascat: i usually try strace before resorting to core dumps`
`06:22.39`	`ximi`	`Pascat, never mind. Don't know nothing about binary. Or memory or whatever.`
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`06:22.56`	`Pascat`	`strace? ... how do I work that?`
`06:23.35`	`undefined`	`pascat: i usually do "strace -Ff -o ~/tmp/strace.log <command> <arg1> <arg2> ..."`
`06:23.55`	`Pascat`	`command being gxine in that case?`
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`06:24.46`	`undefined`	`pascat: if you are only executing "gxine" with no arguments, then "strace -Ff -o ~/tmp/strace.log gxine"`
`06:25.31`	`uyertuyetry`	`hello`
`06:25.33`	`ootput`	`should he consider forks?`
`06:26.05`	`undefined`	`pascat: strace won't help you find suttle programming errors (null pointers), but it's quick and easy and finds some more obvious problems`
`06:26.53`	`Pascat`	`I got it there: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/n0fQiz76.html`
`06:27.01`	`undefined`	`ootput: if you are talking about strace, i consider forks by default, out of habit`
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`06:30.24`	`Pascat`	`What's that forks thing? .....`
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`06:31.11`	`undefined`	`pascat: the last file it opened was a shared library ("xineplug_decode_yuv.so") so the problematic code could be there, but nothing obvious jumps out at me`
`06:31.12`	`Pedro420`	`HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL AND ALL A GOODNITE`
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`06:31.44`	`Pascat`	`mmf....`
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`06:31.58`	`Elly`	`...?`
`06:32.11`	`undefined`	`pascat: -f have strace trace forks; -F have strace trace vforks`
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`06:33.50`	`eric_`	`I need some help, the mplayer plug-in is not working in firefox,`
`06:34.08`	`Pascat`	`o.o`
`06:34.14`	`Pascat`	`there'sa mplayer plugin for firefox?`
`06:34.18`	`Gnea`	`well that sucks`
`06:34.22`	`Gnea`	`yes`
`06:34.52`	`eric_`	`yeah at least I thought there was`
`06:34.58`	`darkcmd`	`hmm I wonder if there is a general configuration file for apps that are openmotif, and lesstif`
`06:35.13`	`Gnea`	`i kind of noticed that the flashplugin doesn't work with firefox either anymore`
`06:35.31`	`darkcmd`	`Gnea: what branch of debian?`
`06:35.34`	`eric_`	`when I use the epiphany browser it works fine`
`06:35.43`	`Gnea`	`darkcmd: sid`
`06:35.46`	`Pascat`	`... Flash works fine on mine, Java as well...`
`06:35.58`	`Gnea`	`Pascat: that's nice.`
`06:36.11`	`Pascat`	`let me check.....lol`
`06:36.46`	`Pascat`	`... Flash doesn't work anymore!`
`06:36.56`	`Gnea`	`see.`
`06:37.07`	`Pascat`	`Uh, no it works... lol.. I'm on the wrong page n.n`
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`06:37.36`	`Pascat`	`anyways, thanks for trying to help me...folks`
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`06:39.06`	`Gnea`	`i get audio but no video`
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`06:54.11`	`airwalk`	`hi`
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`06:55.20`	`darkcmd`	`hi airwalk`
`06:55.55`	`Capkirk`	`need suggestion for firewall dist based on debian`
`06:56.23`	`EdLin`	`!greetings airwalk`
`06:56.40`	`darkcmd`	`Capkirk: remaster knoppix`
`06:56.47`	`EdLin`	`!greatings airwalk`
`06:57.00`	`EdLin`	`no, that's not bad spelling at first.. phoey.`
`06:57.12`	`darkcmd`	`EdLin: you scared him away :D`
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`06:57.32`	`EdLin`	`!greet darkcmd`
`06:57.33`	`dpkg`	`Welcome, darkcmd`
`06:57.39`	`EdLin`	`well, that one works. :-)`
`06:57.45`	`darkcmd`	`why thank you dpkg :D`
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`06:58.17`	`EdLin`	`!beer darkcmd`
`06:59.30`	`Capkirk`	`darkcmd: not understood? maybe my question wasn't clear enough? need something like smoothwall but based on debian`
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`06:59.48`	`EdLin`	`Capkirk: apt-get install smoothwall`
`06:59.50`	`darkcmd`	`hmm`
`07:00.01`	`Supaplex`	`!hny`
`07:00.02`	`dpkg`	`Happy New Year!`
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`07:00.14`	`darkcmd`	`you want to make your own firewall that's like smoothwall?`
`07:00.21`	`EdLin`	`Capkirk: forget that advice, maybe "ipmasq" is what you're looking for.`
`07:01.06`	`codergeek42`	`You could try fireHOL..that's a bash-based script to configure it with relatively straightforward command syntax ("server http allow", etc.)`
`07:01.07`	`darkcmd`	`!zippy OMG`
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`07:01.08`	`dpkg`	`I just forgot my whole philosophy of life!!!`
`07:03.23`	`Capkirk`	`EdLin: i could build a firewall dist based on debian myself but i would rather save myself from the trouble using something ready to go`
`07:03.55`	`EdLin`	`Capkirk: I kind of like ipkungfu, but it's not in stable I think.`
`07:04.33`	`EdLin`	`Capkirk: ipmasq is very simple but is configured by debconf so it's probably the only "Debian firewall" out there.`
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`07:06.33`	`darkcmd`	`I want to make a linux distro that boots from cd, but has no x just cli tools`
`07:07.57`	`EdLin`	`darkcmd: some live CD projects provide the scripts they used to create their CDs`
`07:08.00`	`hooya`	`darkcmd: check out 'toms root boot' and several others`
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`07:09.10`	`BlackJudas`	`How does one check for dupes again?`
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`07:12.03`	`phyberoptix`	`if i booted into recovery mode in debian how do i list what i had in my /home dir`
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`07:13.11`	`stouset`	`Are there any browsers that let me store session cookies?`
`07:13.16`	`stouset`	`i.e., write them to a file?`
`07:13.49`	`EdLin`	`phyberoptix: mount /home ; ls /home`
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`07:14.15`	`phyberoptix`	`mount: can't find /home in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab`
`07:14.40`	`EdLin`	`phyberoptix: ls /home then should work, assuming your /etc/fstab is correct.`
`07:15.14`	`phyberoptix`	`see there isnt anything in my /home dir`
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`07:15.29`	`phyberoptix`	`in recovery mode`
`07:15.46`	`codergeek42`	`phyberoptix: is it on a separate partition? if so, did you mount that?`
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`07:16.04`	`phyberoptix`	`well how do i list mountable drives`
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`07:16.18`	`Supaplex`	`cat /proc/partitions`
`07:16.24`	`codergeek42`	`you can check if it's in your /etc/fstab too`
`07:16.55`	`johnx`	`how do i reconfigure the video card for a different resolution`
`07:18.02`	`phyberoptix`	`ok how do i mount hda1`
`07:18.08`	`phyberoptix`	`cause i think i am doing it wrong`
`07:18.13`	`EdLin`	`!drxx johnx`
`07:18.13`	`dpkg`	`johnx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
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`07:19.36`	`EdLin`	`phyberoptix: man mount`
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`07:21.29`	`phyberoptix`	`i can man mount`
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`07:21.36`	`phyberoptix`	`well yeah i can on this box`
`07:21.43`	`bucky`	`!seen grendal_prime`
`07:21.43`	`dpkg`	`grendal_prime <n=shawng@son-216-86-177-153.static.mlode.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 7h 6m 51s ago, saying: 'i just cant tell you WHEN'.`
`07:22.13`	`nertoa`	`I noticed that rc1 have been released for sarge, does that mean that I in order to use that I need to change my cdrom entries to an ftp entry in sources.list, and have no use for my cdroms anymore?`
`07:22.47`	`EdLin`	`nertoa: no, the only differences are in the security repository.`
`07:22.54`	`Supaplex`	`cdrom's are usualy only good for non networked machines, and inital install.`
`07:22.54`	`hammerabi`	`that's not always true`
`07:23.05`	`hammerabi`	`and if you're on dialup`
`07:23.28`	`Supaplex`	`and dialup`
`07:23.44`	`nertoa`	`so, If I use the security repository I don't need to add the new rc1 thing?`
`07:23.49`	`EdLin`	`and ISDN :-)`
`07:24.02`	`Supaplex`	`no, isdn is fine. ;)`
`07:24.05`	`Supaplex`	`hah`
`07:24.33`	`EdLin`	`I use dial-up actually, but I'm a bit crazy to run sid on it.`
`07:24.43`	`relic`	`is ISDN still alive?`
`07:24.46`	`hammerabi`	`nertoa: you can add it, below the cd, and apt will use both`
`07:25.16`	`EdLin`	`relic: it's present in some rual locations (no DSL) for ehorborant(sp) rates.`
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`07:25.24`	`EdLin`	`exhorborant`
`07:25.28`	`EdLin`	`or something like that.`
`07:25.29`	`Supaplex`	`rip off`
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`07:25.53`	`nertoa`	`hammerabi: thats what I have been using until now, in order to get the lastest security patches.`
`07:25.55`	`undefined`	`capkirk: i currently don't have a dedicated firewall box and just use fwbuilder to create my firewall script`
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`07:26.00`	`Christians4GNT2`	`HAPPY NEW YEAR`
`07:26.06`	`Supaplex`	`zzzz: what city you in?`
`07:26.08`	`Supaplex`	`!hny`
`07:26.09`	`dpkg`	`Happy New Year!`
`07:26.09`	`nertoa`	`and that whould give the same result as getting rc1 ?`
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`07:26.16`	`EdLin`	`Supaplex: well, you can have decent dial-up prices, but broadband is limited to slow ISDN or bad-latency satallite internet.`
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`07:26.51`	`undefined`	`capkirk: gibraltar.at is (was?) based on debian , but only has a proprietary version now`
`07:27.12`	`Capkirk`	`undefined: i need vpn and all sort of other stuff`
`07:27.27`	`undefined`	`capkirk: i'm going to look into pfsense as i've heard good things about it`
`07:27.38`	`hammerabi`	`nertoa: it's not rc1`
`07:27.47`	`zzzz`	`slc utah`
`07:27.53`	`chino2`	`anyone install trac on debian ?`
`07:28.05`	`EdLin`	`!anyone`
`07:28.05`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
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`07:28.38`	`Elly`	`!popcon`
`07:28.39`	`dpkg`	`Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
`07:28.39`	`EdLin`	`another satisfied customer`
`07:28.47`	`undefined`	`capkirk: pfsense is freebsd based, but if it has all the features i need (no tinkering required) like a good "appliance" should, i don't care what it's based on`
`07:28.47`	`Capkirk`	`undefined: yes ive just installed it on a soekris 4801 and if i cant find a debian based firewall dist i will problery end up with pfsense`
`07:28.55`	`nertoa`	`hammerabi: not, but would I get the same packages as rc1? or what would the difference be?`
`07:29.00`	`Supaplex`	`zzzz: I work in slc =) your hostmask gave away the ut part`
`07:29.26`	`zzzz`	`lol`
`07:29.45`	`Capkirk`	`undefined: nah but im looking into applying alot of systems so i would like it to be debian based since im use to administrating debian servers`
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`07:30.28`	`hammerabi`	`nertoa: please stop saying rc1 if you mean r1`
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`07:30.35`	`hammerabi`	`they are differen thing`
`07:31.15`	`EdLin`	`nertoa: you should install both the ftp/http servers, the security repository, and the cd source. apt-get will choose the latest in stable for you.`
`07:31.38`	`nertoa`	`oh, i mixed them up. I meant r1 all the time`
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`07:34.10`	`mushrooomprince`	`hello #debian`
`07:35.04`	`mushrooomprince`	`heh. edlin, I don't think 600 people are at their machines right now.`
`07:35.24`	`Supaplex`	`hi mushrooomprince`
`07:35.32`	`liable`	`no, we are mostly bots :)`
`07:35.37`	`Supaplex`	`!say hi mushrooomprince`
`07:35.37`	`dpkg`	`hi mushrooomprince`
`07:35.45`	`EdLin`	`!greet mushrooomprince`
`07:35.45`	`dpkg`	`Hi there, mushrooomprince`
`07:35.56`	`Supaplex`	`hehee`
`07:36.05`	`nemontemi`	`oi mushrooomprince (in portuguese)`
`07:36.25`	`EdLin`	`oi vey (in Yiddish)`
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`07:36.54`	`Supaplex`	`I thought oi vey was similar to good grief`
`07:37.04`	`EdLin`	`Supaplex: it is`
`07:37.29`	`mushrooomprince`	`I'm wagering people in #debian are awesome`
`07:37.38`	`EdLin`	`!bet`
`07:37.38`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, bet is Spike bet NIMH that potato would not be released with zero release critical bugs before March 2000. (December 14, 1999) The winner wins. The loser loses., or double or nothing it'll be released with zero critical release bugs before May 2000 .... (NIMH), or Spike offers to extend his offer of double or nothing to June 15th, 2000. (May 1, 2000)`
`07:37.43`	`Supaplex`	`oi, I found my season episodes of 24!`
`07:38.00`	`mushrooomprince`	`I've been using mepis for the past few months as my first linux distro that I've kept with. I'm considering stop being a panzy and switching to debian`
`07:38.12`	`bunghole`	`happy new year`
`07:38.33`	`nemontemi`	`new?`
`07:38.39`	`nemontemi`	`what do you think to be new here?`
`07:38.48`	`nemontemi`	`and happy?`
`07:38.49`	`Supaplex`	`sniff I miss the old year already.`
`07:39.00`	`nemontemi`	`I don't see nothing here new, even more happy.`
`07:39.05`	`bunghole`	`nemontemi, you probably lead a disturbed life...`
`07:39.22`	`nemontemi`	`do you think you "lead" your life?`
`07:39.46`	`bunghole`	`what do you think?`
`07:39.51`	`shzuke`	`I have "Mounting local filesystems...failed" during boot-up. System works fine after boot completed. Where is the problem?`
`07:39.56`	`bunghole`	`who leads your life?`
`07:40.13`	`nemontemi`	`if you don't see, you don't see.`
`07:40.14`	`bunghole`	`if you mean lead as in 'leader' or 'leading' then english must not be your first language`
`07:40.26`	`EdLin`	`mushrooomprince: a wise choice. It seems that most people who run Debian are people that outgrew unflexable "easy" distros.`
`07:40.31`	`nemontemi`	`no, english is not my main language`
`07:40.37`	`bunghole`	`then stfu`
`07:40.41`	`nemontemi`	`rofl`
`07:40.41`	`EdLin`	`inflexable`
`07:41.06`	`nemontemi`	`english rules the world, if I dont know it, I shut my fuck out!`
`07:41.13`	`nemontemi`	`up, i mean.`
`07:41.29`	`bunghole`	`i don't know if your parents ever taught you this, 'if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything'. let me tell if they havent`
`07:41.36`	`EdLin`	`nemontemi: that makes even less sense`
`07:41.52`	`bunghole`	`'if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything'.`
`07:42.06`	`shzuke`	`can we get back to linux?`
`07:42.12`	`nemontemi`	`bunghole my parents don't have anything do to with it.`
`07:42.15`	`shzuke`	`debian, i mean.`
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`07:42.26`	`bunghole`	`i said happy new year, you started off with some gay rude shit, fucking let it go dude, get over it`
`07:42.34`	`bunghole`	`end of discussion, fuck!`
`07:42.42`	`nemontemi`	`don't be ignorant.`
`07:42.48`	`nemontemi`	`gays can be happy too.`
`07:43.06`	`bunghole`	`lol, is this cat for real?`
`07:43.07`	`liable`	`oh jesus, take it elsewhere will you's`
`07:43.13`	`nemontemi`	`i hate this american shit people that act like this.`
`07:43.17`	`JohnLenin`	`have i joined otw by mistake?`
`07:43.45`	`shzuke`	`liable: I have "Mounting local filesystems...failed" during boot-up. System works fine after boot completed. Where is the problem?`
`07:43.59`	`bunghole`	`nemontemi, i try not to hate things, it takes the fun out of life. maybe you should think happy thoughts instead of bad thoughts, and probabyl spouting off negative shit to get attention, especially in a support channel, its fucked up`
`07:44.05`	`bunghole`	`grow up dog`
`07:44.13`	`bunghole`	`now fucking stop arguing with me please`
`07:44.13`	`EdLin`	`JohnLenin: it's usually not this bad. I guess we're getting the year off to a good start.`
`07:44.16`	`bunghole`	`:(`
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`07:44.19`	`nemontemi`	`go watch MTV man, it's your destiny.`
`07:44.32`	`JohnLenin`	`EdLin: start as you mean to go on I guess :)`
`07:44.36`	`nemontemi`	`being happy and new, and boring and stupid.`
`07:44.57`	`JohnLenin`	`ffs`
`07:45.00`	`bunghole`	`dude whatever the fuck i am, thats what i am, what is it to you, stop this nonsense`
`07:45.02`	`EdLin`	`JohnLenin: more or less. :-)`
`07:45.06`	`liable`	`shzuke: check you're logs i guess.. (i cant remember if a samba mount gives that error.. not samba?)`
`07:45.10`	`JohnLenin`	`amarok is autosuggesting a song called Autosuggestion :\`
`07:45.36`	`mushrooomprince`	`bunghole, I guess I just missed something`
`07:45.44`	`mushrooomprince`	`I have a question though for anyone who might be in the know.`
`07:46.10`	`nemontemi`	`my gorvernment makes me dummy, so I act like this.`
`07:46.15`	`shzuke`	`mushrooomprince: just ask.`
`07:46.16`	`mushrooomprince`	`I was looking for some literature that might go through things about the linux file heirarchy ? I guess you would call it. I would really appreciate it if someone could point me in the direction of that.`
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`07:46.45`	`EdLin`	`mushrooomprince: man hier`
`07:47.04`	`mushrooomprince`	`I'm in windos right now :/`
`07:47.04`	`liable`	`nemontemi: how about being quiet if you dont have anything usefull to contribute?`
`07:47.13`	`bunghole`	`mushrooomprince, google for keywords such as, 'learn unix file system' linux file system, 'linux directory tree' etc`
`07:47.40`	`nemontemi`	`liable, it depends in what you define "usefull", have you stopped to ask it to yourself?`
`07:47.44`	`bunghole`	`mushrooomprince, there are tons of documents that tell newbs how the filesystem is structured in directory heirarchies and how its organized`
`07:47.49`	`nemontemi`	`i doubt.`
`07:47.56`	`shzuke`	`bunghole: say 'search the web', not 'google'.`
`07:48.16`	`bunghole`	`shzuke, what does google do?`
`07:48.17`	`mushrooomprince`	`yeah thats fine. Usually if i ask questions like that its because I don't know what to google for anyways`
`07:48.28`	`mushrooomprince`	`yeah its not like I would use anything BUT google.`
`07:48.32`	`mushrooomprince`	`And I'm not being sarcastic`
`07:48.33`	`EdLin`	`nemontemi: could you leave your "doubting" and trolling to somewhere where it's more on-topic than #debian? Thanks.`
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`07:49.28`	`shzuke`	`bunghole: google is not the only search engine in the world.`
`07:49.37`	`EdLin`	`mushrooomprince: most of the time you don't need to know it anyway because the $PATH in the environment and the auto-generated menu entries in Linux take care of those details`
`07:49.42`	`bunghole`	`shzuke, you have not answered my question`
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`07:49.48`	`phyberoptix`	`how do i upload a entire dir to a ftp server with the text ftp client?`
`07:50.02`	`EdLin`	`mushrooomprince: and when you will need to know it "man hier" will be available hopefully too. :-)`
`07:50.13`	`bunghole`	`hopefully`
`07:50.15`	`bunghole`	`heh`
`07:50.24`	`nemontemi`	`EdLin, as you like, my lord.`
`07:50.33`	`bunghole`	`lol, what with this kid`
`07:50.42`	`shzuke`	`bunghole: you don't get the point. do you want google to be the only search engine in this world? just like MS want to be the only OS?`
`07:50.54`	`EdLin`	`!ops nemontemi is yet another new year's troll`
`07:50.54`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: nemontemi is yet another new year's troll`
`07:51.02`	`bunghole`	`shzuke, answer my fucking question or stfu kthx`
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`07:51.24`	`nemontemi`	`be a good guy to my eyes or "stfu", thanx`
`07:51.28`	`nemontemi`	`rofl`
`07:51.29`	`bunghole`	`shzuke, i try not to worry about the semantics, its pointless shit`
`07:51.38`	`I4NI`	`so people say I shouldnt log in as root, is this because root terminals can get hijacked or something?`
`07:51.38`	`nemontemi`	`you are really good on making this.`
`07:51.53`	`mushrooomprince`	`shzuke I think he gets the point, the only problem is that the last time I checked google was a really damn good search engine. And even if it wasn't he has a right to tell me to use google specifically if he is also going to share information with me that might only come up on certain engines that HE might personally use`
`07:51.59`	`jadewolf`	`Greetings fellow debian users, anyone know a site about ATI Radeon setup in debian? I just did a fresh install with the netinstall ISO(100M version)`
`07:52.08`	`bunghole`	`shzuke, the point is, he understood what I meant`
`07:52.39`	`EdLin`	`mushrooomprince: http://www.google.com/linux is an even better search engine. :-)`
`07:52.47`	`bunghole`	`shzuke, i like google, and I am going to use it, and i will recomend it to people, you should learn to deal with it`
`07:53.05`	`shzuke`	`bunghole: you better stop those vulgarities. i have been following your chat since I log in.`
`07:53.12`	`mushrooomprince`	`edlin, -neet-`
`07:53.19`	`bunghole`	`vulgarities?`
`07:53.31`	`shzuke`	`bunghole: you can't reason, only foul-mouth.`
`07:53.45`	`EdLin`	`mushrooomprince: it is in a sense a different search engine, it prioritiezes Linux mailing lists etc.`
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`07:54.09`	`EdLin`	`mushrooomprince: there's one for bsd too, and one for (bleah) windows even.`
`07:54.31`	`bunghole`	`shzuke, I am trying to reason with you, but you are trying to be insufferable know it all. what is wrong with google? what is so harmful that I shouldn't tell people about google? isn't google now synonymous with websearching, and if one doesn't find anyting on gogle, they turn to the other engines`
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`07:54.37`	`bunghole`	`what is your problem man, chill out`
`07:54.50`	`theNewYearTroll`	`i am drunk, sorry.`
`07:55.08`	`theNewYearTroll`	`forgive this poor revolutionary spirit that lies on me.`
`07:55.14`	`jadewolf`	`Is the channel moderated for certain people? I don't seem to be getting an responses to my query`
`07:55.21`	`shzuke`	`bunghole: you may be doing it for your own good.do you own shares in google?`
`07:55.36`	`bunghole`	`shzuke, merely because I use obscenities extensively in my speech, it doesn't mean that I cannot reason or I am a foul mouthed trashy person`
`07:55.38`	`mushrooomprince`	`I wish i owned shares in google :/`
`07:55.43`	`liable`	`jadewolf: what question? maybe no one here knows the answer..`
`07:56.15`	`EdLin`	`liable: people with legitimate questions are being drowned out by trolls I guess.`
`07:56.26`	`bunghole`	`this is a pointless argument`
`07:56.27`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Happy new year, people. Is there any "SDK" in debian for creating games for PS[2] ?`
`07:56.31`	`Vlad`	`jadewolf: I don't think querying people here works.. but Im not sure`
`07:56.44`	`shzuke`	`there is nothing wrong with google. people want other choices too, just like in OS. so just say 'google'. we may end up with just that.`
`07:56.49`	`liable`	`EdLin: seems that way at the moment, i dunno what happened.`
`07:56.49`	`nemontemi`	`pe-de-moleque new? happy?`
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`07:57.00`	`bunghole`	`shzuke, once again, semantics, get over it`
`07:57.01`	`EdLin`	`private messages are allowed only for registered users.`
`07:57.19`	`liable`	`shzuke: ok, you made your point, now you are being boring and bordering on a troll.`
`07:57.21`	`jadewolf`	`Okay, let me start with basics, what kernel should I be using?`
`07:57.31`	`EdLin`	`liable: maybe because at 00:00 it became both Sunday and a new year at once.`
`07:57.40`	`liable`	`whatever supports your hardware`
`07:57.41`	`nemontemi`	`pour que l'amour me quitte?`
`07:57.49`	`bunghole`	`why are people coming up with stupid shit to argue tonight`
`07:57.53`	`jadewolf`	`What is the most recent kernel?`
`07:57.54`	`liable`	`EdLin: bad combo it seems :)`
`07:57.55`	`bunghole`	`this is the second person in the past half hour`
`07:58.06`	`shzuke`	`liable: i made my poin to you. this thick headed bunghole just don't get it.`
`07:58.07`	`liable`	`jadewolf: for stable?`
`07:58.08`	`bunghole`	`first it was that dude witht he english thing, now its this cat`
`07:58.09`	`bunghole`	`jeez`
`07:58.13`	`Vlad`	`shzuke: Google is quite nice, however you must know what you are looking for in order to search it. If you have a technical problem and you don't know exactely the correct terms then you won't find anything in google... for you, with your extensive knowledge on *nix it's easy to say go to google and search for this but does an average user know all this terminology?`
`07:58.15`	`mushrooomprince`	`bunghole I don't know. Everytime I feel like argueing about stupid shit I just masturbate instead.`
`07:58.22`	`jadewolf`	`Liable: yes please, I'm not good with experimental stuff`
`07:58.23`	`bunghole`	`mushrooomprince, lol`
`07:58.29`	`Vlad`	`ups, that was meant to bunghole ^^ my mistake`
`07:58.33`	`liable`	`shzuke: ok, just drop it.`
`07:58.43`	`liable`	`jadewolf: 2.6.8-2 for sarge`
`07:58.47`	`JohnLenin`	`mushrooomprince: if everyone on the internet did that then nothing would get done. everyone would just be wanking.`
`07:58.47`	`nemontemi`	`pe-de-moleque are you happy?`
`07:59.06`	`jadewolf`	`okay so I just apt-get install kernel-2.6.8-2(or something similar)?`
`07:59.18`	`jadewolf`	`or should I d/l the source and compile it manually?`
`07:59.20`	`pe-de-moleque`	`What exactly you mean??`
`07:59.21`	`mushrooomprince`	`Johnlenin, you miss the point. wanking conserves bandwidth`
`07:59.34`	`liable`	`jadewolf: yes, apt-cache search kernel-image and pick one`
`07:59.43`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Debian makes me happy`
`07:59.45`	`JohnLenin`	`mushrooomprince: yeah, but everyone would be so sore :(`
`07:59.45`	`nemontemi`	`mushrooomprince exactly, the bandwidth of our brains!`
`07:59.53`	`darkcmd`	`pe-de-moleque: yeah?`
`08:00.16`	`nemontemi`	`pe-de-moleque you don't even use debian, herege!`
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`08:00.55`	`Vlad`	`nemontemi: why must he use debian in order to have it make him happy? ^^`
`08:01.07`	`pe-de-moleque`	`I'm missing the point here today..`
`08:01.12`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad good point.`
`08:01.13`	`jadewolf`	`Liable: thank you, it is now downloading`
`08:01.24`	`liable`	`np`
`08:01.37`	`Vlad`	`damn already this philosophical in the new year... where will I end`
`08:02.10`	`jadewolf`	`Being Philosophical already just shows you have a vast intellect Vlad :)`
`08:02.22`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad going philosophically is going to be out of the linux point, going out of the linux point, in this channel, you get called troll, I'm telling you!`
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`08:02.56`	`ke6isf`	`Happy new year from PST.`
`08:03.07`	`liable`	`yes because this is a support channel not fucking #philosiphy`
`08:03.15`	`nemontemi`	`lol liable`
`08:03.17`	`Vlad`	`you're right there nemontemi ^^`
`08:03.23`	`nemontemi`	`you're funny!`
`08:03.38`	`jadewolf`	`hmm seems to have completed already interesting`
`08:03.41`	`shzuke`	`bunghole: mushroomprince: you two are a mother-fucking sons-of-a-bitch. both of you should go fuck your mothers, wives, sisters, nieces, etc.`
`08:03.53`	`Vlad`	`I'm just in here to learn :)`
`08:04.10`	`nemontemi`	`?`
`08:04.11`	`pe-de-moleque`	`uou`
`08:04.19`	`nemontemi`	`wtf shsuke have today?`
`08:04.29`	`nemontemi`	`it's a "happy", and i swear!, "new" year!`
`08:04.37`	`JohnLenin`	`he had a lot of bad grammar and crack by the looks of it`
`08:04.39`	`ke6isf`	`nemontemi: Doesn't matter. Just some id10t.`
`08:05.52`	`ke6isf`	`And now, bed.`
`08:06.21`	`JohnLenin`	`gnight`
`08:06.22`	`bucky`	`shzuke (i=daye@bb219-74-29-245.singnet.com.sg)`
`08:06.28`	`bucky`	`he was funny!`
`08:06.30`	`Vlad`	`pretty calm for 624 people in here ^^`
`08:06.31`	`nemontemi`	`that's what waits me.`
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`08:06.54`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad except for the me trolling it!`
`08:07.14`	`Vlad`	`at least anyone tries to not just idle`
`08:07.29`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad yeah, that was the point.`
`08:07.29`	`lekvar`	`Okay... I got my laptop booting my own 2.6.14... got pcmciautils... purged hotplug... got acpi sort of working... Should I purge pcmcia-cs?`
`08:07.33`	`Vlad`	`oh, keywords logs... I have to look at my mail logs`
`08:07.48`	`nemontemi`	`this is "happy" "new" year, let's make a break !`
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`08:10.59`	`nemontemi`	`sorry, i am sorry.`
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`08:13.11`	`Vlad`	`implementing all those restrictions on postfix was really worth spending time yesterday :)`
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`08:17.28`	`nemontemi`	`ok.`
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`08:17.39`	`EdLin`	`!ops sleeping over a hangover I assume? ;-)`
`08:17.39`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: sleeping over a hangover I assume? ;-)`
`08:18.02`	`bucky`	`head hit the keyboard.. hahaha!`
`08:18.15`	`liable`	`hehe`
`08:18.23`	`EdLin`	`it could have been a cat`
`08:18.33`	`bucky`	`he'll wake up with key prints on his forehead`
`08:18.41`	`JohnLenin`	`EdLin: if there's a cat that can join #debian, i'd like to see it`
`08:19.00`	`liable`	`theres actually a couple :)`
`08:19.04`	`EdLin`	`JohnLenin: hmm, OK`
`08:19.04`	`Vlad`	`I rather assume like this "bird" like in that simpsons episode where homer was too fat to work anymore at the nuclear power plant`
`08:19.10`	`bucky`	`no it's the head rock back and forth.. asf f sdf f`
`08:19.22`	`liable`	`EdLin: why bother? all ops are hungover :)`
`08:19.59`	`Vlad`	`this is a debian support channel right? ^^ How do I close all my security holes ^^`
`08:20.13`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad shutdown -h now`
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`08:20.19`	`JohnLenin`	`Vlad: unplug the computer`
`08:20.21`	`JohnLenin`	`from everything`
`08:20.24`	`bucky`	`Vlad, unplug the ethernet cable`
`08:20.27`	`liable`	`Vlad: um, what security holes?`
`08:20.39`	`EdLin`	`Vlad: assuming your /etc/apt/sources.list is correct, "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" should catch a lot of them.`
`08:20.42`	`bucky`	`and stick some chewing gum in that hole`
`08:20.45`	`Vlad`	`well, the security holes will still be there even if I unplug the box`
`08:20.48`	`nemontemi`	`let's sing in french, this makes our lifes better.`
`08:20.49`	`JohnLenin`	`oh yeah`
`08:20.52`	`pe-de-moleque`	`There is no security hole in debian :)`
`08:20.53`	`JohnLenin`	`Vlad: polyfilla`
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`08:21.00`	`JohnLenin`	`pe-de-moleque: wishful thinking`
`08:21.11`	`jadewolf`	`pardon me for coming back so soon but what are the items I put in my /etc/apt/sources.list to access non-free and testing stuff? I forgot the actual commands after stable main <somthing here>`
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`08:21.28`	`Vlad`	`the only thing that was update the last time I did a dist-upgrade was gzip`
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`08:21.42`	`EdLin`	`jadewolf: "contrib" and "non-free" is what you're after. Don't mix testing and stable...`
`08:21.47`	`nemontemi`	`jadewolf for the testing stuff, substitute "stable" to "testing"`
`08:21.50`	`liable`	`jadewolf: you dont want testing but add contrib and non-free`
`08:22.02`	`nemontemi`	`*for`
`08:22.02`	`mushrooomprince`	`how stable is testing compared to stable ?`
`08:22.03`	`relic`	`!etch`
`08:22.04`	`dpkg`	`methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer.`
`08:22.16`	`jadewolf`	`Thank you gentlemen`
`08:22.18`	`liable`	`mushrooomprince: its not`
`08:22.35`	`EdLin`	`mushrooomprince: testing is even worse than sid at present`
`08:22.50`	`mushrooomprince`	`isn't mepis built off of debian unstable or something ?`
`08:22.55`	`Vlad`	`what is actually the contrib?`
`08:22.56`	`nemontemi`	`testing isn't stable, just it.`
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`08:23.16`	`jadewolf`	`Anyone here ever setup debian with an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (128M Memory) PCI 8x video card?`
`08:23.21`	`I4NI`	`so people say I shouldnt log in as root, is this because root terminals can get hijacked or something?`
`08:23.22`	`liable`	`mushrooomprince: most of em are.`
`08:23.25`	`jadewolf`	`er AGP sorry`
`08:23.28`	`nemontemi`	`one thing is one thing, another thing is another thing!`
`08:23.34`	`mushrooomprince`	`jadewolf, I've used a 9800pro on a mepis install if that counts :/`
`08:23.55`	`nemontemi`	`I4NI something like that.`
`08:24.13`	`jadewolf`	`mushroomprince: I am attempting to set it up so that I have decent video and the only site I find with decent info is really vague and not very 'user friendly'`
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`08:24.38`	`mushrooomprince`	`jadewolf, you wouldn't happen to be a girl would you ?`
`08:24.39`	`nemontemi`	`running applications, the browser for example, as root, and if it have a security hole, a hacker can get root on your computer exploiting that hole.`
`08:24.48`	`liable`	`jadewolf: /j #ati (they might have some info for you)`
`08:25.08`	`jadewolf`	`Liable: thank you`
`08:25.16`	`I4NI`	`well, I certainly dont run KDE as root`
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`08:25.45`	`Vlad`	`I'm sure there are people out there that run kde as root`
`08:25.53`	`pe-de-moleque`	`jadewolf, wait for xorg 7`
`08:25.55`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad for sure.`
`08:25.56`	`mushrooomprince`	`does windows have an equivlant to "root" user ? that actually works near the same way`
`08:26.00`	`jadewolf`	`xorg 7?`
`08:26.12`	`I4NI`	`but I do keep root terminals open, maybe I shouldnt do that? KDE locks on screensaver when I am away, so I thought that wouldnt be a problem`
`08:26.20`	`liable`	`pe-de-moleque: he's using sarge.`
`08:26.23`	`nemontemi`	`mushrooomprince the "Administrator"`
`08:26.35`	`bucky`	`mushrooomprince, su`
`08:26.36`	`relic`	`xorg 7? (deleting more sources?)`
`08:26.41`	`jadewolf`	`Is there something wrong with sarge?`
`08:26.55`	`Vlad`	`what should be wrong with sarge?`
`08:26.57`	`relic`	`hehe`
`08:26.57`	`nemontemi`	`I4NI terminals i dunno, but regular applications yes`
`08:27.02`	`EdLin`	`mushrooomprince: Windows runs at root by default, and many programs don't work as anything other than administrator privledges, rendering what little security the platform offers useless`
`08:27.29`	`liable`	`jadewolf: no its fine, its the stable release of debian, but it doesnt have xorg.`
`08:27.33`	`EdLin`	`jadewolf: Sarge is nice and is not so out of date yet, so it's an excellent choice.`
`08:27.59`	`jadewolf`	`I just wanted to avoid downloading 4gigs just to install linux.`
`08:28.09`	`takatumi`	`jadewolf: don't`
`08:28.09`	`I4NI`	`I was just wondering because someone said I should sudo everything instead of logging in as root`
`08:28.15`	`EdLin`	`jadewolf: you don't need to download all of the CDs to install Debian`
`08:28.16`	`Vlad`	`is there actually any free linux sdk for delphi?`
`08:28.18`	`jadewolf`	`Don't avoid it? or don't do it?`
`08:28.21`	`nemontemi`	`my upgrade didn't took 4gigs, it took 700mb, jadewolf`
`08:28.24`	`EdLin`	`!d-i jadewolf`
`08:28.24`	`dpkg`	`jadewolf, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`08:28.26`	`bucky`	`jadewolf, that's what the netinstall iso is for 100M`
`08:28.37`	`mushrooomprince`	`dpkg, neat`
`08:28.38`	`dpkg`	`i guess neat is just another word for "Nothing left to lose"`
`08:28.38`	`EdLin`	`jadewolf: the above is the URL for the netinstaller.`
`08:28.45`	`liable`	`he has it already.`
`08:28.45`	`nemontemi`	`I4NI it's more secure to sudo instead logging as root...`
`08:28.45`	`jadewolf`	`edlin I have it installed already from the netinstaller`
`08:28.48`	`takatumi`	`jadewolf: get the netinstall or CD1 at the most, not 4 Gigs`
`08:28.57`	`pe-de-moleque`	`There is no good reason to install ati drivers in debian, since they do just 3d aceleration`
`08:28.58`	`jadewolf`	`I downloaded the 100M iso and made it`
`08:29.03`	`mushrooomprince`	`damnit I have to take a monster shit`
`08:29.04`	`mushrooomprince`	`brb`
`08:29.13`	`jadewolf`	`pe-de-moleque I want more then 800x600`
`08:29.15`	`bucky`	`wash your hands`
`08:29.15`	`liable`	`omfg`
`08:29.16`	`rvalles`	`scary`
`08:29.20`	`JohnLenin`	`pe-de-moleque: unless, of course, you want 3d acceleration`
`08:29.34`	`I4NI`	`thx nemontemi`
`08:29.39`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Exactly, JohnLenin`
`08:29.41`	`Vlad`	`jadewolf have you install nvidia drivers?`
`08:29.51`	`jadewolf`	`Vlad I don't have an nvidia card`
`08:29.58`	`liable`	`? he has an ati?`
`08:30.05`	`I4NI`	`dont you just select "nv" as your display driver Vlad ?`
`08:30.37`	`nemontemi`	`jadewolf has an ATI`
`08:30.41`	`Vlad`	`^^`
`08:30.53`	`takatumi`	`nemontemi: which ATI?`
`08:31.03`	`takatumi`	`jadewolf: ^^`
`08:31.24`	`nemontemi`	`dunno!`
`08:31.46`	`Vlad`	`just selecting nv didn't work for me to get more than 800x600`
`08:31.47`	`jadewolf`	`I have 9800 Pro Radeon (128 MB) AGP 8x Video Card`
`08:31.49`	`pe-de-moleque`	`jadewolf, you can be setting up wrong monitor scan frequencies, and using the right open source drivers`
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`08:32.08`	`jadewolf`	`pe-de: I'd like the 3D acceleration for graphics`
`08:32.13`	`jadewolf`	`Tux runs really slow :)`
`08:32.15`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad I installed the official drivers from nvidia site, and worked fine`
`08:32.30`	`takatumi`	`jadewolf: either get the ati fglrx debs or try xorg's native DRI`
`08:32.38`	`liable`	`jadewolf: there are closed source drivers on their site..`
`08:32.44`	`jadewolf`	`on ATI site?`
`08:32.49`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Humn, Tux Racer is really cool`
`08:32.53`	`takatumi`	`jadewolf: /msg dpkg ati debs`
`08:32.57`	`Vlad`	`yes they work fine, that's what I did then also I think... but in the debian installer there is already nv drivers installed but they don't do good...`
`08:33.00`	`I4NI`	`I selected the "nv" option and it works great, even with my ancient TNT2`
`08:33.03`	`Vlad`	`it's a long time ago since I made that`
`08:33.07`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: I recommend going with the free option, btw`
`08:33.54`	`Vlad`	`so, I have to do now some research on EU case law :) --> afk`
`08:34.02`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad yeah, the deb defaults isn't so good.`
`08:34.11`	`nemontemi`	`cya.`
`08:34.47`	`jadewolf`	`everything sends me to http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html but I can't do the apt-get install of all the fglfrx stuff cause apt-get can't find it`
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`08:37.27`	`liable`	`oh, fuck that.`
`08:37.27`	`pe-de-moleque`	`I ran ati setup once, that is on ati site somewhere`
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`08:38.05`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: that's for the propietary ones`
`08:38.16`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: I won't touch the propietary ones unless I tried the free ones without success`
`08:38.32`	`jadewolf`	`rvalles: I don't see where I can get free ones, unelss you mean the ones from ati website`
`08:38.36`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: you should just get a recent Xorg release, like 6.9 or 7.0`
`08:38.55`	`jadewolf`	`apg-get xorg-7? :)`
`08:38.58`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: they come with free ati drivers`
`08:39.04`	`mushrooomprince`	`rvalles, I never really understood what xorg was in the first place`
`08:39.08`	`mushrooomprince`	`feels much better`
`08:39.10`	`rvalles`	`no idea about the status in debian...`
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`08:39.25`	`liable`	`!xorg sarge`
`08:39.26`	`dpkg`	`somebody said xorg sarge was now available at http://backports.org/`
`08:39.26`	`I4NI`	`xorg was forked from xfree86`
`08:39.43`	`rvalles`	`mushrooomprince: you just uploaded something into the sewage network, didn't you?`
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`08:39.58`	`liable`	`jadewolf: try the backport of xorg for sarge, go to that url ^^`
`08:40.15`	`mushrooomprince`	`rvalles, we have a septic tank.`
`08:40.53`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: I use xorg 6.8 in my debian box, 7.0 on my gentoo box`
`08:40.54`	`pe-de-moleque`	`jadewolf, http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.16.20.html`
`08:40.54`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: debian box runs unstable, so... there probably aren't packages yet for the 6.9/7.0 release`
`08:40.54`	`pe-de-moleque`	`or`
`08:40.59`	`pe-de-moleque`	`"ati setup debian site:ati.com" in google`
`08:41.02`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: maybe there are unofficial ones somewhere.`
`08:41.27`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: why so much insistance in the propietary drivers?`
`08:41.49`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: Xorg 6.9/7.0 is supposed to support up to r400 (!), with 3d.`
`08:41.57`	`jadewolf`	`I found a site on getting xorg I think in debian via apt-get`
`08:42.07`	`mushrooomprince`	`I didn't know debian had a installer`
`08:42.12`	`I4NI`	`charging for drivers is rubbish imo`
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`08:43.19`	`pe-de-moleque`	`rvalles, it is easier to jadewolf install ati proprietary drivers than find xorg 7 debian packages already done`
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`08:43.21`	`liable`	`jadewolf: get it from backports.org`
`08:44.59`	`Mandrig`	`Is there a way to change my screen resolution? I'm only getting 800x600 and 640x480.`
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`08:46.19`	`jadewolf`	`Liable: I am at that site, am I looking for ATI or xorg?`
`08:46.21`	`liable`	`!drxx Mandrig`
`08:46.21`	`dpkg`	`Mandrig: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`08:46.24`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: ah! if stallman heard you...`
`08:46.36`	`liable`	`jadewolf: xorg, its not far down the page`
`08:46.40`	`basanta`	`room, kingston flash drive doesn't automount in my debian`
`08:46.41`	`jbmigel_`	`jadewolf the xoomer site that you said everyone has sent you too has all the information you need to get it installed, just start at the top of page and read it all through`
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`08:47.30`	`aaronlin`	`Hi; I have a DDR dance pad hooked up to my computer on an LPT port. I used apt-get to install pydance. However, I don't think the device is being picked up. How do I check/configure it?`
`08:48.54`	`I4NI`	`do I need exim4-daemon-heavy in order to get tls working?`
`08:49.01`	`pe-de-moleque`	`rvalles, i cannot start instruct users to use ddcprobe and edit monitor scan frequencies`
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`08:49.53`	`aaronlin`	`would it help if I unplugged my keyboard?`
`08:50.02`	`aaronlin`	`(although I don't know how I'd be able to start my computer...)`
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`08:53.06`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: neither of those are needed`
`08:53.19`	`liable`	`Mandrig: dont irc as root`
`08:53.37`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: it's a trivial issue of upgrading to 6.9 or 7.0, and setting the driver to "ati"`
`08:53.41`	`jadewolf`	`xorg 6.9 come with ATI drivers ?`
`08:54.12`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: as opposed to getting and installing by hand some complicated, privative, freedom-restricting drivers`
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`08:54.44`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: Xorg 6.9 comes with a free as in freedom implementation of ati drivers`
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`08:55.12`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: enough to get 3d accel with most cards, including recent ones (up to r400, I believe)`
`08:55.21`	`pe-de-moleque`	`rvalles, when i tried to install xorg here, i got too many problems`
`08:55.42`	`jbmigel_`	`rvalles do you know if free drivers are derived from gatos project? will it support tv in aswell on r350?`
`08:55.42`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: my unstable debian runs 6.8, no problems`
`08:55.46`	`aaronlin`	`Hi; I have a dance dance revolution dance pad hooked up to my computer on an LPT port. I used apt-get to install pydance. However, I don't think the device is being picked up. How do I check/configure it?`
`08:56.09`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: my gentoo runs 7.0, one little problem building a component, but fixed in seconds`
`08:56.16`	`pe-de-moleque`	`my testing not, and jadewolf is using sarge`
`08:56.23`	`rvalles`	`jbmigel_: I believe they have merged code from gatos more than once`
`08:56.35`	`rvalles`	`jbmigel_: look at the 7.0 release notes`
`08:56.44`	`rvalles`	`which can be found...`
`08:56.53`	`mandrig`	`I can't seem to edit XF86Config-4. How do I edit protected files like that?`
`08:57.12`	`rvalles`	`http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.0/doc/html/RELNOTES.html`
`08:57.14`	`I4NI`	`mandrig: sudo`
`08:57.19`	`liable`	`mandrig: erm, didnt dpkg tell you how to do that?`
`08:57.27`	`liable`	`!drxx mandrig`
`08:57.27`	`dpkg`	`mandrig: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`08:57.29`	`pe-de-moleque`	`rvalles, you are missing the point`
`08:57.53`	`pe-de-moleque`	`he is not a power user`
`08:58.08`	`liable`	`and he's running sarge ffs`
`08:58.30`	`pe-de-moleque`	`he will not succed in installing xorg 7`
`08:58.37`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: there's why it's easier for him to rely on stable, free, packaged xorg stuff`
`08:58.55`	`nemontemi`	`dpkg, ffs`
`08:58.55`	`dpkg`	`hmm... ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake`
`08:58.56`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: than on install-by-hand-from-some-website privative drivers`
`08:59.37`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Then ati is not microsoft`
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`08:59.54`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: who cares, privative -> freedom restricting -> evil`
`09:00.04`	`mushrooomprince`	`ati > ms`
`09:00.05`	`Gnea`	`hrm`
`09:00.08`	`pe-de-moleque`	`And you will not change the world at once`
`09:00.40`	`Gnea`	`hey look, it's throw-your-opinion-around-and-wait-for-a-fact-to-pop-it hour`
`09:00.53`	`rvalles`	`I will at least not point people to propietary privative freedom restricting stuff, pe-de-moleque`
`09:00.59`	`Gnea`	`pe-de-moleque: the world changes all the time, where've you been?`
`09:01.16`	`pe-de-moleque`	`With a "happy new year" ?`
`09:01.17`	`rvalles`	`but to the freedom-endorsing option, while it is possible.`
`09:01.21`	`rvalles`	`:>`
`09:01.22`	`pe-de-moleque`	`C'mon`
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`09:01.57`	`Gnea`	`c'mon what`
`09:02.13`	`nemontemi`	`he wants you.`
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`09:02.21`	`Gnea`	`egads`
`09:02.23`	`pe-de-moleque`	`In practice, jadewolf will be frustated in a hour not figuring out how to install xorg 7 on sarge, and will think "that fucking open source!"`
`09:02.29`	`nemontemi`	`dpkg, egads`
`09:02.51`	`Gnea`	`pe-de-moleque: what's it to you?`
`09:02.54`	`relic`	`pe-de-moleque, hehe`
`09:03.10`	`jbmigel_`	`i think pe-de-moleque has a point... the guy just wants to play tux, not optimize his graphics pipeline`
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`09:03.24`	`Gnea`	`well find out`
`09:03.27`	`jadewolf`	`okay I'm in xorg got an error on start up though`
`09:03.29`	`jadewolf`	`Error activating XKB configuration.`
`09:03.29`	`jadewolf`	`Probably internal X server problem.`
`09:03.31`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`09:03.34`	`mushrooomprince`	`I'm cold.`
`09:03.47`	`bucky`	`there's a backport for xorg 6.9`
`09:03.50`	`nemontemi`	`I'm sleepy.`
`09:03.53`	`Gnea`	`this is what blankets are for`
`09:04.15`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Installing ati, and he would do it right, would leave him to now use a closed source driver in a free system: and when he would upgrade to debian 3.2, he would now be using xorg 7`
`09:04.27`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: which version of Xorg?`
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`09:04.34`	`jadewolf`	`6.9`
`09:04.36`	`rvalles`	`ok`
`09:04.38`	`relic`	`xorg shows it's fox tail...`
`09:04.42`	`rvalles`	`let's look at your config file`
`09:04.53`	`pe-de-moleque`	`rvalles, config file?`
`09:05.06`	`pe-de-moleque`	`That's not human`
`09:05.13`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: Section "InputDevice"`
`09:05.15`	`jadewolf`	`/etc/xorg?`
`09:05.16`	`Gnea`	`pe-de-moleque: much you have to learn about debian, young grasshopper.`
`09:05.21`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: Identifier "Keyboard1"`
`09:05.33`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: that part`
`09:05.40`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: supposedly, /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`09:05.49`	`nemontemi`	`Gnea its always the same answer. "You don't know debian."`
`09:06.19`	`jadewolf`	`okay found it and am at that section`
`09:06.19`	`pe-de-moleque`	`rvalles, that's a half decade suporting X config file`
`09:06.40`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: ok, paste it to me, privatelly :)`
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`09:07.05`	`pe-de-moleque`	`"I can see the masses editing they X config file, when The Day comes"`
`09:07.05`	`takatumi`	`jadewolf: Experimental DRI support for Radeon 9500 and above`
`09:07.42`	`bucky`	`pe-de-moleque, why not.. if you can't do that you shouldn't be using it`
`09:07.56`	`Gnea`	`damn, where do you guys get your drugs`
`09:08.14`	`nemontemi`	`Gnea I don't like drugs, be the drugs likes me...`
`09:08.23`	`Gnea`	`i see.`
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`09:08.45`	`pe-de-moleque`	`bucky, and Gnome and Kde projects should not be included in debian, so`
`09:08.56`	`bucky`	`you mean they're not?`
`09:09.05`	`anapivirtua_`	`Happy new year all :)`
`09:09.10`	`Gnea`	`nemontemi: you were saying?`
`09:09.19`	`Gnea`	`!beer anapivirtua_`
`09:09.22`	`pe-de-moleque`	`By your point, bucky , they should not`
`09:09.25`	`relic`	`pe-de-moleque, ?`
`09:09.27`	`Gnea`	`pe-de-moleque: are you a developer?`
`09:09.41`	`pe-de-moleque`	`No`
`09:09.46`	`Gnea`	`then wtf are you`
`09:09.46`	`nemontemi`	`Gnea I was just reading.`
`09:09.50`	`nemontemi`	`lol`
`09:09.53`	`Gnea`	`oh ok`
`09:09.56`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`09:09.59`	`bucky`	`pe-de-moleque, not my point... my point was if you can't edit a configuration file in linux you shouldn't be using it`
`09:10.00`	`nemontemi`	`"You don't know debian"`
`09:10.09`	`nemontemi`	`"Are you a developer? Then stfu."`
`09:10.18`	`nemontemi`	`previsible.`
`09:10.22`	`Gnea`	`now you're putting words in my mouth.`
`09:10.30`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Why a debian user, that knows edit config file, should use gnome or kde?`
`09:10.30`	`Gnea`	`i didn't say "then stfu."`
`09:10.39`	`mushrooomprince`	`stfu > all`
`09:10.39`	`nemontemi`	`<Gnea> then wtf are you`
`09:10.40`	`Gnea`	`you mis-interpretted.`
`09:10.43`	`nemontemi`	`what this means?`
`09:11.01`	`Gnea`	`if you're not a developer then you are a <____>?`
`09:11.09`	`relic`	`loser`
`09:11.12`	`bucky`	`pe-de-moleque, oh ic you logic.. then don't use grub or lilo`
`09:11.13`	`Gnea`	`ROFL`
`09:11.16`	`bucky`	`or apache`
`09:11.26`	`tuv`	`pe-de-moleque: to facilitate usability. knowing to edit files does not restrict you from using other pleasent usable accessible software`
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`09:12.14`	`jbmigel_`	`rvalles, according to the release notes you pointed me too there is only 2d support for the 9800 card that jasewolf is using`
`09:12.24`	`nemontemi`	`pe-de-moleque v� o que eu digo? usu�rios de software livre s�o uns retardados.`
`09:12.42`	`pe-de-moleque`	`nemontemi, ??`
`09:12.43`	`nemontemi`	`pe-de-moleque nem a filosofia desse movimento consegue tirar esses caras da merda.`
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`09:12.58`	`Garda`	`want to open pdf file in KGhostView. but it is password protected. it says cannot open file before letting me enter the password. how to fix`
`09:13.10`	`Gnea`	`nemontemi: this is an english-speaking channel.`
`09:13.15`	`pe-de-moleque`	`tuv, but the people that not knows to edit config files?`
`09:13.17`	`rvalles`	`jbmigel_: I believe that is for the firegl one`
`09:13.22`	`streuner`	`Garda: get the passwort?`
`09:13.32`	`mushrooomprince`	`question, where can I download a good version of debian with a graphical installer ?`
`09:13.34`	`rvalles`	`jbmigel_: and the 9800 is fine`
`09:13.38`	`nemontemi`	`Gnea sure.`
`09:13.46`	`Gnea`	`pe-de-moleque: and you'll jame it down their throat with what?`
`09:13.50`	`pe-de-moleque`	`That people will never user Open software?`
`09:13.51`	`Gnea`	`s/jame/jam/g`
`09:13.57`	`Garda`	`streuner: yea i have it but it just says can't open, there's no window that comes up to let me type it in`
`09:14.00`	`tuv`	`pe-de-moleque: what about them?`
`09:14.06`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: I don't give a damn about open source.`
`09:14.07`	`bucky`	`pe-de-moleque, what about the people who don't know how to read docs or use google?`
`09:14.13`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: it's all about freedom, and free software.`
`09:14.29`	`Garda`	`GNOME pdf viewer works, but i don't like it`
`09:14.32`	`bucky`	`and the freedom to be as stupid as you want to be`
`09:14.37`	`streuner`	`Garda: hm, did you try xpdf or acroread?`
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`09:14.43`	`nemontemi`	`I agree rvalles, but the business don't see like that`
`09:14.51`	`tuv`	`i found a nice software for sony vaio laptops "sonykeyd" that works with sonypi kernel module. very nice and flexible but unfortunately not available in debian..`
`09:14.54`	`nemontemi`	`and what is this world if not business`
`09:14.55`	`nemontemi`	`?`
`09:14.58`	`mandrig`	`What is and how do I find my video cards bus identifier?`
`09:15.02`	`Gnea`	`rvalles: apparantly not everyone understands the difference between free beer and free otherwise`
`09:15.03`	`pe-de-moleque`	`But for people that just want to use computers?`
`09:15.12`	`liable`	`nemontemi: c'mon dude, you started being a troll, then you chilled, now you are trolling again.`
`09:15.27`	`liable`	`god i hate the whole fucking free beer analogy`
`09:15.37`	`nemontemi`	`liable go to the fucking hell, man. go call your mother a troll and don't be boring.`
`09:15.41`	`bucky`	`pe-de-moleque, there's always windows`
`09:15.47`	`Gnea`	`!troll nemontemi`
`09:15.49`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html`
`09:15.52`	`pe-de-moleque`	`They want the time to live life while just some on this time is to use open source software`
`09:16.00`	`rvalles`	`pe-de-moleque: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html`
`09:16.09`	`nemontemi`	`i hate this shitty people that says "troll" for everyfuckingthing they don't like.`
`09:16.20`	`Gnea`	`!ops nemontemi is being abusive`
`09:16.21`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: nemontemi is being abusive`
`09:16.21`	`bucky`	`free as in free speech.. not in free hand holding`
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`09:16.40`	`liable`	`nemontemi: then /part and make everyone happy`
`09:16.41`	`jadewolf`	`I got same error again on keyboard`
`09:16.49`	`nemontemi`	`liable go sleep and make everyone happy.`
`09:17.01`	`Gnea`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:17.23`	`takatumi`	`/live and let live`
`09:17.37`	`jbmigel_`	`rvalles the description elaborates: "hardware 3D acceleration (except R300 and R400 series cards)"`
`09:17.54`	`takatumi`	`jbmigel_: Full 3D support for r3xx/r4xx series, and PCI-Express`
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`09:18.03`	`pe-de-moleque`	`jadewolf, http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.16.20.html`
`09:18.05`	`rvalles`	`jbmigel_: are you looking at 6.8 ?`
`09:18.14`	`pe-de-moleque`	`that's an automatic install`
`09:18.17`	`Garda`	`streuner: installed xpdf. it works ok. thanks`
`09:18.20`	`jbmigel_`	`http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html`
`09:18.20`	`rvalles`	`jbmigel_: r300/r400 is new @ 6.9`
`09:18.26`	`jadewolf`	`pe-de-moleque I've udpated to xorg 6.9 already`
`09:18.42`	`rvalles`	`jbmigel_: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.0/doc/html/RELNOTES2.html#5`
`09:18.48`	`jbmigel_`	`maybe they forgot to update the radeon page`
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`09:18.55`	`rvalles`	`jbmigel_: Radeon driver updates:`
`09:18.58`	`nemontemi`	`gives the man power and quests his ethic.`
`09:19.00`	`rvalles`	`jbmigel_: Full 3D support for r3xx/r4xx series, and PCI-Express`
`09:19.28`	`jbmigel_`	`I stand corrected... if you believe their release notes over their release notes`
`09:20.37`	`rvalles`	`jbmigel_: of course I do ;)`
`09:21.10`	`Vlad`	`the problem about *nix is that you have too many choices ^^`
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`09:21.45`	`Gnea`	`LMAO`
`09:23.25`	`Vlad`	`anyone runs icq?`
`09:25.18`	`relic`	`is icq still alive?`
`09:25.18`	`liable`	`Vlad: not a meaningful question..`
`09:26.15`	`Vlad`	`well, I'm just surprised that none of my contacts is online ^^`
`09:26.16`	`liable`	`why are our ops always asleep when we need em most..`
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`09:26.27`	`Vlad`	`when were ops needed?`
`09:26.41`	`mushrooomprince`	`http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/temporary/PBF023BCRaftFriends.jpg`
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`09:27.13`	`Vlad`	`wb nemontemi`
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`09:27.41`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad don't talk to me, I am a troll.`
`09:27.55`	`Gnea`	`nemontemi: then why did you come back?`
`09:28.13`	`Vlad`	`nemontemi is not a troll ^^`
`09:28.24`	`nemontemi`	`Gnea cause I like you.`
`09:28.34`	`Gnea`	`this isn't a social channel.`
`09:28.39`	`nemontemi`	`lol`
`09:28.55`	`nemontemi`	`this is first january, we can be social today.`
`09:29.09`	`Vlad`	`well, it's not a support channel either as long as no one requests support`
`09:29.11`	`pe-de-moleque`	`That's new year day`
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`09:29.37`	`mahangu`	`anyone know how to install the ipw2200 driver for debian?`
`09:29.55`	`nemontemi`	`now it's support chan.`
`09:29.59`	`Vlad`	`^^`
`09:30.17`	`Gnea`	`!ipw2200`
`09:30.18`	`dpkg`	`ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel`
`09:30.32`	`Gnea`	`nemontemi: are you a scenester or a linux user?`
`09:30.32`	`Vlad`	`http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/`
`09:30.45`	`mahangu`	`!contrib`
`09:30.45`	`dpkg`	`hmm... contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing\|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end.`
`09:30.52`	`Vlad`	`now whatis a scenester?`
`09:31.07`	`pe-de-moleque`	`The point we were discussing, was the machine works for the human kind, not the contrary, human kind as an eternal human-machine worker`
`09:31.50`	`Vlad`	`does the human work to live... or does the human live to work?`
`09:31.52`	`nemontemi`	`pe-de-moleque this is too much Matrix-thing!`
`09:31.56`	`Gnea`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scenester`
`09:31.57`	`nemontemi`	`Gnea debian user`
`09:32.15`	`Vlad`	`http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/INSTALL`
`09:32.24`	`ootput`	`Vlad: work to live, duh?`
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`09:33.19`	`nemontemi`	`the beauty is in seeing the oposite, ootput...`
`09:33.46`	`relic`	`does someone remember the date of the last time that debian been hacked?`
`09:33.47`	`ootput`	`nemontemi: but if you choose the opposite, there's no point in living`
`09:34.04`	`Vlad`	`Gnea: Due to that definition of scenester it is mandatory to live that lifestyle... so being a scenester requires being a linux user also :)`
`09:34.08`	`nemontemi`	`ootput that's the conclusion in seeing the opposite.`
`09:34.23`	`Vlad`	`relic: yesterday ^^`
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`09:34.28`	`relic`	`o.o`
`09:34.41`	`Vlad`	`or what do you mean by been hacked?`
`09:34.44`	`relic`	`I mean... the servers`
`09:34.53`	`Vlad`	`there's so many debian machines out there... with so much different configurations...`
`09:34.56`	`ootput`	`moments before your death you look back at your life: you'll forget the 1/3 of it that was work, and you'll cherish the 1/3 of it that was memories`
`09:35.08`	`Gnea`	`Vlad: http://www.answers.com/topic/scenester this one's a bit more specific`
`09:35.12`	`Vlad`	`there's definitively one being hacked yesterday`
`09:35.13`	`ootput`	`work was repetitive`
`09:35.24`	`ootput`	`everything else was a unique experience`
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`09:36.19`	`ootput`	`but it doesn't hurt to have be a humanitarian in your job description`
`09:36.20`	`Vlad`	`well, Gnea... then it still is mandatory to be linux user to be scenester in this context`
`09:36.24`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Certainly s/he will not remember the time lost in editing X config files`
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`09:36.42`	`ootput`	`precisely`
`09:36.45`	`nemontemi`	`pe-de-moleque lol`
`09:37.17`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad I didn't got what you said.`
`09:37.40`	`Vlad`	`nemontemi: don't worry :)`
`09:37.53`	`nemontemi`	`didn't get*`
`09:38.51`	`Vlad`	`could we actually help mahangu?`
`09:39.38`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad the bots can't answer that...`
`09:39.42`	`nemontemi`	`=P`
`09:39.47`	`Vlad`	`^^`
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`09:40.22`	`nemontemi`	`!did-we-help-last-user?`
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`09:40.55`	`Vlad`	`wb jade`
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`09:41.18`	`jadewolf`	`Howdy Vlad`
`09:41.28`	`pe-de-moleque`	`That is, i do not see any freedom in the need to waste time editing X config files`
`09:41.29`	`ootput`	`elo wolf`
`09:41.35`	`jadewolf`	`whats a good FPS from glxgears?`
`09:41.44`	`ootput`	`> 0`
`09:41.45`	`pe-de-moleque`	`If i am just a user`
`09:41.46`	`Vlad`	`why should x config files be edited?`
`09:41.59`	`ootput`	`refreshrate, modes`
`09:42.08`	`ootput`	`for newer displays`
`09:42.11`	`jbmigel_`	`pe-de-moleque what of the freedom to bork your config file and live life at the cli?`
`09:42.36`	`pe-de-moleque`	`That signs to me the need to rework in a job done`
`09:42.47`	`Gnea`	`pe-de-moleque: so if you shouldn't have to edit X config files, then no one else should?`
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`09:42.58`	`nemontemi`	`yeah`
`09:43.09`	`nemontemi`	`the freedom is in the choiche of editing or not.`
`09:43.17`	`Goshawk`	`hi, when i upload a package with dupload is there a way to say to dupload to do not send the announce by mail message?`
`09:43.18`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Specialists should, but not user level people`
`09:43.36`	`jbmigel_`	`jasewolf i get around 2800 on a 9600pro with prop drivers... how does xorg perform on your 9800?`
`09:43.38`	`nemontemi`	`choice`
`09:43.57`	`jadewolf`	`brb`
`09:44.05`	`Vlad`	`for the average user this shold all be done automatically...`
`09:44.20`	`nemontemi`	`I dunno "dupload"`
`09:44.46`	`Goshawk`	`nemontemi, is there a better way to accomplish this?`
`09:44.52`	`ootput`	`does debian require grub if the bootloader files (grub) are in a different distro's /boot?`
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`09:45.12`	`Gnea`	`pe-de-moleque: so we should just let that be the policy without concensus just because you think so?`
`09:45.26`	`vskoric`	`hi, can somebody give me links of some debian sites, interested in software for debian, place where I can see which packages are most used and alike info, thanks`
`09:45.34`	`dutchfish`	`what is the best way to set up a secure sftp chrooted only server`
`09:45.40`	`liable`	`!popcon`
`09:45.40`	`dpkg`	`Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
`09:45.49`	`Gnea`	`pe-de-moleque: but as a matter of fact, it's better to let dpkg handle X configuration than editting the X config file in the first place`
`09:46.11`	`nemontemi`	`Goshawk I don't know what are you trying to do, this was what I mean`
`09:46.33`	`Vlad`	`on a webserver, do you recommend installing an AV?`
`09:46.35`	`liable`	`ootput: no`
`09:46.43`	`vskoric`	`thanks liable`
`09:46.44`	`dutchfish`	`should i go by rssh?`
`09:46.48`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Non specialist people just want to use Free Software`
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`09:46.49`	`Goshawk`	`nemontemi, ah sorry i didn't understand`
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`09:47.03`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Not edit config files by hand`
`09:47.04`	`nemontemi`	`Goshawk np =)`
`09:47.14`	`Gnea`	`nemontemi: if you don't know then don't say anything`
`09:47.21`	`Gnea`	`!rules`
`09:47.21`	`dpkg`	`methinks rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.`
`09:47.25`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Non specialist people want to do their job, not the computer job`
`09:47.38`	`liable`	`pe-de-moleque: then use ubuntu or mandriva or someshit`
`09:47.45`	`jadewolf`	`back, and in irssi...`
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`09:47.48`	`nemontemi`	`Gnea I don't see this in the rules.`
`09:47.50`	`Gnea`	`pe-de-moleque: then use a debian-BASED distro`
`09:47.58`	`nemontemi`	`I just wanted to be more human to him/her.`
`09:48.15`	`jadewolf`	`brb I gotta start xchat I can't see half stuff from color`
`09:48.18`	`bucky`	`pe-de-moleque, http://theopencd.org/`
`09:48.20`	`nemontemi`	`I think "polite" can justify my action.`
`09:48.20`	`pe-de-moleque`	`Free Software will never be widspread being non automatic`
`09:48.20`	`Goshawk`	`Gnea, nemontemi :D`
`09:48.36`	`Vlad`	`!ules`
`09:48.38`	`Vlad`	`!rules`
`09:48.38`	`dpkg`	`[rules] 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.`
`09:48.41`	`liable`	`pe-de-moleque: so use another distr`
`09:48.42`	`pe-de-moleque`	`liable, Gnea and bucky , so why debian needs udev or hotplug?`
`09:49.00`	`Gnea`	`pe-de-moleque: why not?`
`09:49.02`	`pe-de-moleque`	`That's is not ok with your view of debian`
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`09:49.18`	`jadewolf`	`ah better now I can see more`
`09:49.23`	`bucky`	`pe-de-moleque, you're right!`
`09:49.27`	`jbmigel_`	`jadewolf: "glxinfo \| grep direct" ??`
`09:49.29`	`bucky`	`dpkg -r`
`09:49.30`	`Vlad`	`interesting rules, it doesn't say one is not allowed to be philosophical ^^`
`09:49.48`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad lol`
`09:49.56`	`Gnea`	`just don't need the hostlity`
`09:50.06`	`liable`	`why do i get the feeling that Vlad is nemontemi ??`
`09:50.20`	`Vlad`	`you are mistaken @ liable ^^`
`09:50.29`	`jadewolf`	`jbmigel: ?`
`09:50.32`	`nemontemi__`	`[07:52] [brown.freenode.net] NickServ set your hostname to "200-158-80-240.dsl.telesp.net.br"`
`09:50.39`	`nemontemi`	`I am not Vlad.`
`09:51.00`	`pe-de-moleque`	`nemontemi, are you brazillian? sorry for you`
`09:51.01`	`Vlad`	`nemontemi is from Brazil`
`09:51.09`	`jbmigel_`	`jadewolf what is your fps in glxgears since upgrading xorg?`
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`09:51.23`	`Vlad`	`Vlad is i=steph_ak@80-219-148-122.dclient.hispeed.ch * Morden`
`09:51.24`	`nemontemi`	`pe-de-moleque Eu t� falando com voc� no icq tamb�m.`
`09:51.32`	`Vlad`	`falando ne?`
`09:51.48`	`snoopy`	`does any1 here use a wacom tablet`
`09:51.53`	`Vlad`	`ig cha ou schwyzerd��tsch rede wenn ig wott`
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`09:52.15`	`jadewolf`	`1587 frames in 5.0 seconds = 317.207 FPS`
`09:52.17`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: so, things are fine now?`
`09:52.32`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: (on startup time)`
`09:52.34`	`streuner`	`Vlad: english please`
`09:52.41`	`jbmigel_`	`jadewolf i dont believe you have 3d accel`
`09:52.43`	`jadewolf`	`rvalles: just getting that keyboard error on start up but everything else seem up to par`
`09:52.47`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad where are you from?`
`09:52.49`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: ok`
`09:52.53`	`Vlad`	`Switzerland ^^`
`09:52.55`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: only the DRI/DRM part left`
`09:53.04`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: (which decent 3d accel relies on)`
`09:53.06`	`jadewolf`	`yeah I commented that out`
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`09:53.15`	`jbmigel_`	`ah`
`09:53.25`	`jadewolf`	`But I need to learn how to compile that in to kernel as you said before`
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`09:53.31`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: that's a temporal solution, you should really get the DRM part (kernel side) working and reenable it :)`
`09:53.55`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: now, come to #xorg, because I don't have a newer ati and really have no idea on a detail`
`09:54.11`	`rvalles`	`jadewolf: which is... if the latest kernel comes with that, or if it must be patched.`
`09:54.28`	`jadewolf`	`I'm there now`
`09:54.41`	`nemontemi`	`if I remember, the lastest kernel has it...`
`09:54.48`	`snoopy`	`or would anyone know how i can get it to install properly? the two files that the packager list for it is not enough it is seen as a generic mouse so i dont get pressure sensitivity and x and y tilt`
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`09:54.53`	`pe-de-moleque`	`jadewolf, just in case you can't get things to work, http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.16.20.html`
`09:55.44`	`dutchfish`	`what is the best way to set up a secure sftp chrooted only server? or should i go by rssh? a good link to a howto would be welcome too`
`09:56.07`	`jbmigel_`	`im curious about the performance of the free drivers compared to ati's... would be funny if the free ones were faster`
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`09:56.52`	`Vlad`	`http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/docs/chrootedsftp.html`
`09:57.05`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, thx`
`09:57.20`	`Vlad`	`well dunno if it helps ^^`
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`09:57.54`	`streuner`	`jbmigel_: well, that should be interesting, because those are based of ATI itself, only pack by those..., IIRC`
`09:58.56`	`Metza`	`do I always need to know the current version of what ever package i want to install?`
`09:59.01`	`jbmigel_`	`streuner, you mean to say ati opened its driver code for xorg to release? I find that amazing!`
`09:59.16`	`Vlad`	`how do you mean that Metza`
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`09:59.34`	`Metza`	`I mean, apt-get install openssh`
`09:59.36`	`streuner`	`jbmigel_: no`
`09:59.39`	`Metza`	`for instance`
`10:00.02`	`streuner`	`jbmigel_: those people just packaged the debs...`
`10:00.09`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, i went through this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_SFTP_Server_(chrooted,_without_shell) but it wont work on Debian, got even kernel trapps...doh`
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`10:00.35`	`Vlad`	`metza: it will install the most current version`
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`10:01.28`	`Vlad`	`dutchfish... well, what about the one I pointed out to you?`
`10:01.51`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, i will try in a jiffy when i reinstalled Srage`
`10:02.03`	`jbmigel_`	`streuner, I was referring to the difference between ati's proprietary drivers and the free drivers created by dri project and incorporated into xorg 7. I dont think they are the same`
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`10:03.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 640] by debhelper`
`10:03.26`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, i am stuck on building the chrooted envirenment? pobably because of weird missing dependicies`
`10:03.44`	`Vlad`	`http://www.coding-zone.com/chroot+sftp-server.patch`
`10:03.59`	`Goshawk`	`is there here someone that used debpool?`
`10:04.06`	`Goshawk`	`s/used/uses`
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`10:04.43`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, thats my solution, chapeax!`
`10:04.50`	`Vlad`	`^^`
`10:05.03`	`Vlad`	`I didn't do anything... google did`
`10:06.46`	`AncientDeveloper`	`Debian rulez! 8-)`
`10:06.54`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, i wasnt aware that on Debian sshd needed a patch for sftp-server... thx again`
`10:06.55`	`Vlad`	`what does debian rule?`
`10:07.14`	`Vlad`	`I hope it'll work`
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`10:07.30`	`AncientDeveloper`	`Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/sftp-server`
`10:07.33`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, yup its working now :)`
`10:07.52`	`Vlad`	`^^`
`10:08.51`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, Debian rules (in my humble opinion) because of stability`
`10:08.52`	`relic`	`lol`
`10:09.06`	`AncientDeveloper`	`:)`
`10:09.29`	`Vlad`	`I have no clue regarding debian or linux ^^`
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`10:09.37`	`relic`	`do we need any kind of ftp now?`
`10:09.41`	`relic`	`ssh...`
`10:09.50`	`AncientDeveloper`	`i love debian so much that i've been converting cent-os in friends' offices to sarge`
`10:10.14`	`Vlad`	`for me windoze is still a lot more confortable`
`10:10.23`	`Vlad`	`however my server runs on debian`
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`10:10.39`	`relic`	`is it safe?`
`10:10.41`	`Vlad`	`and I wonder if I should install an antivirus on it`
`10:11.03`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, i installed clamav because of the windoze clients`
`10:11.26`	`Vlad`	`I mean for windoze it's mandatory to have any antivirus programm but what about linux servers? do they need one?`
`10:11.59`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, if properly configured, i my opnion only mailservers should have one`
`10:12.20`	`Vlad`	`well, I enforced restrictions on postfix yesterday :)`
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`10:12.32`	`Vlad`	`my spam just got reduced from 70 overnight to 1 that slip through`
`10:13.11`	`Vlad`	`oh well, the server only runs apache, teamspeak, dod and soon hopefully a diablo 1.09 server`
`10:13.29`	`Vlad`	`I guess an antiviurs won't use too much ressources`
`10:13.57`	`Vlad`	`1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00`
`10:13.58`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, depends on what you want to do with it`
`10:14.34`	`Vlad`	`is clamav easy to integrate into postfix?`
`10:14.50`	`dutchfish`	`Vlad, not too hard yes`
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`10:15.04`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad diablo 1?`
`10:15.04`	`Vlad`	`well, I don't know much about linux ^^`
`10:15.14`	`Vlad`	`diablo 2 1.09 patch`
`10:15.22`	`Snoopy`	`trying to install my wacom tablet but for that i need kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 and searched for the package but still cant find it anyone with any suggestions?`
`10:15.25`	`Vlad`	`diablo 1 can still be played over bnet`
`10:15.37`	`Vlad`	`I wonder if WoW could be setup on a private server`
`10:15.42`	`Vlad`	`then you could avoid the monthly fees`
`10:15.47`	`nemontemi`	`why not diablo 2 patch 1.11?`
`10:16.04`	`liable`	`Snoopy: snapshot.debian.net (or install the source if you have to and buils em)`
`10:16.04`	`Vlad`	`I don't like the 1.1x versions that much anymore`
`10:16.12`	`Vlad`	`I loved 1.09d... my amazon was so great`
`10:16.18`	`Vlad`	`and javazone`
`10:16.19`	`nemontemi`	`lol`
`10:16.20`	`Vlad`	`and novasorc`
`10:16.42`	`Vlad`	`although I heard in 1.11 the amazon got quite strong again`
`10:16.42`	`nemontemi`	`I am using a cold sorceress now`
`10:16.46`	`Vlad`	`in 1.10 she sucked`
`10:16.47`	`Snoopy`	`k thanks`
`10:17.04`	`nemontemi`	`I don't know about the earlier patches, I started playing in .11`
`10:17.16`	`Vlad`	`I was beta tester for D2 ^^`
`10:17.20`	`nemontemi`	`=)`
`10:17.26`	`Vlad`	`I played it from beta version to 1.10`
`10:17.27`	`liable`	`Snoopy: -1 prolly has patches, you might like to check for upgrades to it..`
`10:17.37`	`nemontemi`	`I thought the changes were only in the runes, and things like that`
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`10:17.48`	`Vlad`	`I guess D2 is the game I played the longest in my life`
`10:18.02`	`Vlad`	`well I don't know what changed to 1.11`
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`10:18.07`	`Vlad`	`you have 2 new super uniques`
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`10:18.29`	`Vlad`	`and runes changed making other items better and I heard due to this the amazon got a lot stronger again`
`10:18.29`	`nemontemi`	`Starcraft for sure was the game I played the longest`
`10:18.50`	`Vlad`	`hehe`
`10:18.56`	`nemontemi`	`before 1.11 runes were only to make rune words?`
`10:19.04`	`Vlad`	`and now in 1.11?`
`10:19.07`	`nemontemi`	`were there*`
`10:19.25`	`Vlad`	`before 1.10 there were only a few very good runewords`
`10:19.33`	`Vlad`	`so you added runes to uniques to empower them`
`10:19.42`	`nemontemi`	`1.11 runewords sucks...`
`10:19.48`	`Vlad`	`dunno ^^`
`10:20.41`	`nemontemi`	`http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/runewords-111.shtml`
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`10:22.27`	`Vlad`	`^^`
`10:22.50`	`smhar`	`is there a way to play starcraft online without battle.net just as quake`
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`10:23.52`	`olczyk`	`Hey. What are the commands to edit the system crontab files?`
`10:23.55`	`smhar`	`startcraft, warcraft and master of orion were the cause of many sleepless night for me :-)`
`10:23.59`	`Vlad`	`well, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~owend/free/bnetd-faq.html`
`10:24.04`	`nemontemi`	`smhar I've known some "pirate" servers, but don't know if they exists now`
`10:24.13`	`nemontemi`	`ah`
`10:24.13`	`Vlad`	`it seems that bnted is available at sourceforge`
`10:24.15`	`relic`	`starcraft +1`
`10:24.16`	`smhar`	`olczyk, any texteditor`
`10:24.17`	`nemontemi`	`the bnetd server works. =)`
`10:24.21`	`Vlad`	`my buddy tried to install it`
`10:24.24`	`Vlad`	`and the bnet interface worked`
`10:24.34`	`Vlad`	`but somehow he could not create a realm for diablo 2`
`10:25.09`	`Vlad`	`and he needed a gateway editor to connect to our server`
`10:25.34`	`nemontemi`	`yes, to add the server to the game`
`10:25.47`	`Vlad`	`yeah... he has the gateway editor`
`10:25.52`	`Vlad`	`but don't know if it's only for diablo`
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`10:26.14`	`olczyk`	`smhar, I'm asking what commands will launch the editor to edit specific cron job files. Barring that at least the files that should be editted.`
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`10:26.28`	`nemontemi`	`There is a gateway editor for Warcraft and Starcraft too`
`10:26.39`	`nemontemi`	`I think they work the same way`
`10:26.48`	`Vlad`	`here's the diablo gatewa editor: http://www.roleplayer.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1348`
`10:27.04`	`Vlad`	`but as said, don't know if it works for warcraft and other blizz games`
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`10:28.52`	`nemontemi`	`Vlad that program you said is multi-game gateway editor, says it works to the three games`
`10:29.11`	`HugLeo`	`With install debain in partition of the HD. No driver de CD and floop`
`10:29.14`	`Vlad`	`oh well, I haven't had a look at it`
`10:29.33`	`nemontemi`	`HugLeo?`
`10:29.40`	`Vlad`	`roleplayer.org is just about diablo 2 ^^`
`10:30.50`	`kombi_`	`installed alsa for the first time, how do I check the soundcard on console only box?`
`10:31.12`	`nemontemi`	`sox? mpg123?`
`10:31.15`	`streuner`	`kombi_: mpg321?`
`10:31.20`	`HugLeo`	`nemontemi: Iso of the debian is in the HD`
`10:31.30`	`kombi_`	`ahm.. what is that..?`
`10:31.41`	`streuner`	`!info mpg321`
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`10:32.10`	`nemontemi`	`HugLeo what's the problem?`
`10:32.24`	`streuner`	`mpg321 - A Free command-line mp3 player, compatible with mpg123`
`10:33.08`	`dpkg`	`mpg321: (A Free command-line mp3 player, compatible with mpg123), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.10.3 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 128 kB`
`10:33.15`	`kombi_`	`streuner: thanks! I'll install that for testing..`
`10:34.12`	`HugLeo`	`nemontemi_: I no have driver of CD and like of install`
`10:35.10`	`HugLeo`	`nemontemi_: I take look something about the program loadlin`
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`10:38.37`	`kombi_`	`my first debian box with sound.. how do i make alsa find the soundcard?`
`10:39.21`	`streuner`	`run 'alsaconf'`
`10:39.42`	`streuner`	`kombi_: what does 'cat /proc/version' say?`
`10:39.54`	`kombi_`	`wait..`
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`10:40.22`	`kombi_`	`2.6.8-2-k7`
`10:40.51`	`relic`	`oh`
`10:41.45`	`kombi_`	`streuner: or the whole string?`
`10:42.04`	`kombi_`	`oh wait, alsaconf first..`
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`10:45.50`	`molinero`	`Happy New Year!`
`10:46.04`	`raden`	`whats a good ftp server for linux ?`
`10:46.05`	`kombi_`	`streuner: ;)`
`10:46.10`	`peterS`	`raden: vsftpd`
`10:47.48`	`raden`	`peterS, Thanks`
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`10:49.19`	`HugLeo`	`Is possible with XOSL?`
`10:49.57`	`bleh`	`..`
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`11:02.13`	`kombi_`	`is there a way to play windows media streams? Which package would one need?`
`11:02.37`	`Vlad`	`windows media player ^^`
`11:03.01`	`kombi_`	`Vlad: I know, only I hate windows so much..`
`11:03.36`	`Vlad`	`why do you hate it?`
`11:03.50`	`kombi_`	`I believe mplayer can do it somehow, just can't find the right package though`
`11:04.06`	`kombi_`	`Vlad: Because it has a gui..`
`11:04.18`	`Vlad`	`so, that's no reason for such hard feelings I think ^^`
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`11:04.27`	`Vlad`	`maybe dislikingit but hate?`
`11:04.48`	`kombi_`	`Vlad: point taken, I admit I use it in other places`
`11:05.02`	`Vlad`	`^^`
`11:05.17`	`Vlad`	`windows ist just end-user friendly ^^`
`11:05.41`	`Vlad`	`can't you run windows media palyer through wine?`
`11:05.59`	`molinero`	`Debian Sarge lives!`
`11:06.12`	`kombi_`	`Vlad: I think it can be done with mplayer from console, just researching how`
`11:06.25`	`Vlad`	`good luck :)`
`11:06.33`	`Vlad`	`otherwise try wine :)`
`11:06.37`	`cheal`	`kombi_: it most likely depends on which kind of stream`
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`11:07.18`	`kombi_`	`cheal: If only I could find an mplayer package for stable to begin with..`
`11:07.38`	`kombi_`	`Vlad: will do, thx!`
`11:07.48`	`cheal`	`kombi_: there are no official mplayer packages`
`11:08.00`	`Vlad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:08.15`	`kombi_`	`I noticed, only plugins there`
`11:08.19`	`Vlad`	`^^`
`11:08.51`	`kombi_`	`that was for cheal`
`11:09.19`	`kombi_`	`I'll roll my own then`
`11:09.28`	`cheal`	`!tell kombi_ about marillat`
`11:11.38`	`olczyk`	`There are no official mplayer packages, but there are unofficial ones.`
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`11:13.15`	`kombi_`	`thanks cheal!`
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`11:17.17`	`Snoopy`	`how do i reconfigure xserver again?`
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`11:17.54`	`cheal`	`!drxx Snoopy`
`11:17.54`	`dpkg`	`Snoopy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`11:17.55`	`landonw`	`hi guys, i was wondering how to get 'apt-get install' to retrieve all suggested+recommended packages as well`
`11:18.16`	`raden`	`is there a simpel ftp server ?`
`11:18.28`	`landonw`	`vsftp, raden`
`11:18.46`	`raden`	`landonw, cant get it to work whatsoever`
`11:18.55`	`Snoopy`	`thats odd xserver-xfree86 doesnt seem to work`
`11:19.52`	`kombi_`	`cheal: can't apt-get update with marillat because of 'too many connections' from my ip, is there some secret?`
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`11:20.27`	`cheal`	`Snoopy: which release do you use?`
`11:20.48`	`cheal`	`kombi_: I don't know, I don't use Marillat's repository myself`
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`11:21.11`	`kombi_`	`cheal: oh, there we are, never mind`
`11:21.12`	`Snoopy`	`sarge`
`11:21.42`	`cheal`	`Snoopy: what do you mean by "doesnt seem to work"?`
`11:21.57`	`Snoopy`	`it says file doesnt exist`
`11:23.19`	`landonw`	`ah, wajig is super handy`
`11:23.55`	`cheal`	`Snoopy: please paste your shell input and output`
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`11:24.37`	`g0th`	`moin`
`11:24.50`	`landonw`	`does anybody know nvidia's bus identifier?`
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`11:25.14`	`landonw`	`i'm at the point of configuring xserver-xorg via the ncurses interface`
`11:25.23`	`g0th`	`just hit enter`
`11:25.27`	`g0th`	`if you only have one video card`
`11:25.32`	`Snoopy`	`actually it says not installed`
`11:25.59`	`Snoopy`	`/home/glen# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`11:26.00`	`Snoopy`	Package `xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available.
`11:26.00`	`Snoopy`	`Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,`
`11:26.00`	`Snoopy`	`and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.`
`11:26.00`	`Snoopy`	`/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is not installed`
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`11:26.05`	`g0th`	`I have problems with my "Alt Gr" key, it doesn't work anymore`
`11:26.09`	`landonw`	`g0th: oh`
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`11:26.21`	`g0th`	`Snoopy: maybe you use xorg?`
`11:26.27`	`g0th`	`Snoopy: xserver-xorg`
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`11:26.57`	`g0th`	`I tried xkeycaps and selected all kinds of keyboards, but the altgr key _never_ works`
`11:27.08`	`g0th`	`It worked before my debian update`
`11:27.17`	`g0th`	`the x version was 6.8.? to 6.9`
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`11:27.36`	`g0th`	`and no, I didn't change anything, my system is debian sid`
`11:27.39`	`Snoopy`	`this is what i get`
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`11:27.59`	`Robi-`	`has anyone had postfix/procmail go haywire with the recent upgrades?`
`11:28.01`	`Snoopy`	`/home/glen# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`11:28.01`	`Snoopy`	Package `xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available.
`11:28.01`	`Snoopy`	`Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,`
`11:28.01`	`Snoopy`	`and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.`
`11:28.01`	`Snoopy`	`/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is not installed`
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`11:28.41`	`g0th`	`you already pasted that part...`
`11:28.54`	`g0th`	`Snoopy: did you try xserver-xorg?`
`11:29.10`	`g0th`	`dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I mean`
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`11:29.54`	`moshii`	`does anyone here use anthy?`
`11:29.58`	`Snoopy`	`tried it`
`11:30.13`	`g0th`	`hmm anyway, we eat, I'll come back later then, this "Alt Gr" problem is very baad, I can't email, I can't program, I basically can't write anything usefull as a lot of keys I need use "alt gr" modifier`
`11:30.18`	`Snoopy`	`but think i made an error`
`11:30.21`	`Snoopy`	`hold on`
`11:30.36`	`g0th`	`eating, I'm afk...`
`11:30.53`	`Robi-`	`have postfix to procmail and postfix errors out in the log with status=bounced (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Error while writing to "/var/mail/robi" )`
`11:31.00`	`Robi-`	`ideas?`
`11:31.31`	`Snoopy`	`got it you guys`
`11:31.34`	`Snoopy`	`thanks`
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`11:32.18`	`goccias`	`g0th: pc104 or pc105 keys ?`
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`11:34.18`	`Robi-`	`i also noticed some of the spamassassin args changed which broke spamc -a in procmail`
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`11:36.09`	`landonw`	`after getting xserver-xorg (with suggested+recommended,) why doesn't startx exist?`
`11:36.29`	`landonw`	`xbase-clients?`
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`11:38.00`	`Guerin`	`landonw: install x-window-system`
`11:38.15`	`landonw`	`ok`
`11:38.17`	`Guerin`	`landonw: yes; startx is in xbase-clients`
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`11:41.09`	`ootput`	`would x-window-system conflict with xorg?`
`11:41.20`	`ootput`	`is that xfree86?`
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`11:47.24`	`Hendikins`	`Just a quick question. I'm the SOP in #firefox on the Mozilla IRC server. I've been told that it is standard practice to blanket redirect people who are having problems with Debian's Firefox packages to us. Is there any particular reason for this?`
`11:47.56`	`SlayerXP`	`Hendikins: probably the same reason we redirect non-debian users to other channels.`
`11:48.16`	`Hendikins`	`The problem is that we don't support Debian's Firefox packages either.`
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`11:49.31`	`Hendikins`	`Our standard practice is to request that users see if they have problems with the official binaries, and to contact their distribution's support channels if they're having problems with packages supplied with/by their distribution.`
`11:50.13`	`cheal`	`Hendikins: most likely just wrong information`
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`11:50.50`	`Hendikins`	`Well, it seems to be happening fairly regularly, which is why I thought I'd ask you guys what was up with that`
`11:51.43`	`Vlad`	`Hmmm, I would go to both channels... so I have all the brainpower together instead of keep switching one and the other`
`11:52.14`	`Vlad`	`actually just cancel the "would" in my previous post`
`11:52.20`	`Hendikins`	`Well, the problem stems from the fact the debian packages aren't unmodified, which just results in a heap of buck passing.`
`11:52.23`	`cheal`	`Hendikins: it has to seem that way with the number of firefox users. it's not surprising neither that helpers here first point to #firefox even if they aren't sure about the problem`
`11:53.37`	`Vlad`	`Hendikins: Why does this actually pose a problem to you?`
`11:53.59`	`Hendikins`	`Vlad: It is an annoyance more than a problem, per se.`
`11:54.18`	`Vlad`	`why is it considered as an annoyance?`
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`11:54.28`	`Hendikins`	`Certainly it isn't entirely reasonable to expect us to support things involving downstream modifications`
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`11:54.41`	`cheal`	`Vlad: did you ever see Ubuntu users here?`
`11:54.52`	`Vlad`	`yes ^^`
`11:54.56`	`Vlad`	`there was one yesterday`
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`11:55.01`	`Vlad`	`or was it today?`
`11:55.02`	`cheal`	`Vlad: I hope you get the idea`
`11:55.11`	`Vlad`	`not really`
`11:55.14`	`cheal`	`I'm sure it happened today`
`11:55.34`	`cheal`	`Vlad: then try staying here for a week`
`11:55.55`	`Hendikins`	`cheal: I just wish there was a little bit of triage before the users got to us, to be honest. We're happy to support users having problems that are our fault.`
`11:56.00`	`Vlad`	`I can idle here for a week but not stay as tomorrow I need to work again and doing researches for university ^^`
`11:56.27`	`cheal`	`Hendikins: yes. in my previous message I really meant s/that helpers/if helpers/`
`11:56.49`	`Vlad`	`Hendikins: Those who refer them to your channel they do not mean any harm or so... I'm sure they just think that is probably a better place to start with`
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`11:57.10`	`Hendikins`	`Vlad: I'm sure, but the problem is that users get redirected back here`
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`11:57.32`	`Robi-`	`any clue on the procmail error?`
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`11:57.49`	`beggs`	`hey, how can i steer fan speeds? (like cpu...)`
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`11:58.42`	`Vlad`	`Hendikins: If someone comes here and says he's got some troubles regarding firefox`
`11:59.00`	`Hendikins`	`I'm not in here to stir up people, I'm just here because of the same reason I'm in #firefox - I want to ensure that people get the best and most prompt support possible, with a minimum of fuss.`
`11:59.08`	`Vlad`	`then the first thing you think of is directing them to the firefox channel before even inquiring what the exact problem is`
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`11:59.32`	`Vlad`	`at least that's what I would do ^^`
`11:59.51`	`Hendikins`	`Vlad: I can see what you're saying, however a little bit of triage would be immensely helpful to both us and the users.`
`12:00.39`	`cheal`	`Hendikins: in any case, it's unlikely worth it to come here discuss about that considering the number of helpers potentially involved. most predominant helpers here have good support skills. and just to reassure you, Vlad isn't a regular :)`
`12:00.45`	`Vlad`	`I'm a linux illiterate... I have no real clue about it... so for me it is hard to triage where the problem possibly lays... so I think if someone got problems with ff then it would be best to start over there as they know more about it`
`12:01.02`	`Hendikins`	`cheal: It shows (-:`
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`12:01.14`	`KarlosII`	`unfortunately debian modifies ff code significantly`
`12:01.23`	`relic`	`o.o`
`12:01.31`	`Hendikins`	`Vlad: We do know more about Firefox, but we don't know about the changes that Debian makes to it. That's the point.`
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`12:01.50`	`Hendikins`	`(changes for this purpose includes the packaging of it)`
`12:02.28`	`Robi-`	`Hendikins: i don't know for sure but it appears someone started sendingpeople your way for whatever reason, and the rest bandwagoned ;-/`
`12:02.37`	`Vlad`	`see, for you it might be very easy to just figure out "oh, it's a debian thing go there" or "oh, it's a ff thing stay here"`
`12:03.01`	`tengulre`	`HI,ALL !! HAPPY NEW YEAR!`
`12:03.11`	`Vlad`	`not that I really know anything about it anyway ^^`
`12:03.34`	`Hendikins`	`Vlad: But on the other hand, if somebody asked what the problem was here, you could say "oh, that's a packaging thing" or "that's a problem with Firefox itself, ask the guys in #firefox on moznet"`
`12:04.10`	`Hendikins`	`Neither way is perfect, but at least asking what the problem is here can potentially result in one less instance of running around.`
`12:04.41`	`Guerin`	`as far as upstream/downstream bug reporting issues go, there's a fairly clear methodology: file a bug with your downstream provider, who will forward it to upstream if appropriate`
`12:04.42`	`Vlad`	`well, that implies I would know debian good enough to give such a statement but what I have observerd here is that there are 600+ users but only a few actually help`
`12:05.11`	`Robi-`	`or unhelp as the case may be`
`12:05.11`	`Guerin`	`that's stated debian policy for every package`
`12:05.13`	`Vlad`	`and if those few aren't here and someone needs help so what to tell those people than that seek help?`
`12:05.14`	`Hendikins`	`Guerin: This isn't about bugs. It is about Joe Enduser having a question with Firefox.`
`12:05.34`	`Hendikins`	`aka "how do I do x?" or "is y a bug?"`
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`12:05.48`	`joey__`	`I have question to ask :)`
`12:05.52`	`KarlosII`	`imho if debian modifies ff then debian shoudl support it`
`12:06.02`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: yes, I see that.`
`12:06.25`	`Robi-`	`joey__, don't ask to ask. ask.`
`12:06.27`	`joey__`	`tty0 perm. are crw------ root tty. I can't read/write to it as root`
`12:06.36`	`Vlad`	`he didn't ask to ask`
`12:06.43`	`Vlad`	`he just stated he has a question ^^`
`12:07.10`	`Hendikins`	`Robi-: I usually use "I'm afraid we haven't implemented mind reading support yet, so you'll have to ask a question"`
`12:07.37`	`Robi-`	`Hendikins: you're better with the niceness`
`12:07.39`	`dreamboat`	`test`
`12:07.56`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: i'm a normal firefox-debian user : i never ask in here . i just use sarge firefox, sid firefox, backports firefox , i never had problems : firerfox is popular and debian too , windows users coming to debian or coming to firefox most of the time arer just confused ,it is hard to understand if theyr problem is a debian problem or a firefox problem`
`12:08.07`	`Guerin`	`telepathy over tcp/ip - the only thing potentially more useful than electrocution over tcp/ip`
`12:08.07`	`Robi-`	`frakin procmail`
`12:08.26`	`cheal`	`hehe`
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`12:08.37`	`Robi-`	`Guerin , right on`
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`12:08.58`	`Vlad`	`each individual his assigned IP ^^`
`12:09.01`	`Guerin`	`what I advise people to do if they have trouble with debian firefox is to use the official static binaries, and if they experience the same issues, to ask #firefox, and/or file a bug`
`12:09.15`	`Robi-`	`... status=bounced (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Error while writing to "/var/mail/robi" )`
`12:09.22`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: I understand that too, but I've been given the impression that there's no checking in here before it gets to us. That is what I'm getting at`
`12:09.49`	`Hendikins`	`Guerin: We usually start with suggesting using the official binaries and a clean profile, or asking #debian`
`12:09.51`	`Robi-`	`can send mail just not receive, q gets cleaned right away and bounces right away..`
`12:09.53`	`joey__`	`:)`
`12:10.11`	`Guerin`	`hey`
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`12:10.19`	`Hendikins`	`With a disclaimer that we can't provide support for the debian packages.`
`12:10.26`	`joey__`	`I set it to 0777 and finaly I can rw to this dev`
`12:10.32`	`joey__`	`even though it's a bnad practice setting perm to 0777`
`12:10.33`	`Hendikins`	`(Don't worry, we do the same thing to people using gentoo ebuilds...)`
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`12:11.05`	`Guerin`	`telepathy over tcp/ip would be great in conjunction with electrocution - you could figure out whether a person needs electrocuting before they even do the thing that would earn them electrocution!`
`12:11.11`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: yeah, that's sane.`
`12:11.41`	`Hendikins`	`All packaging/installation issues are blanket redirected to distribution support channels regardless.`
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`12:11.43`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: the big issues seem to revolve around extensions, most of which aren't packaged in debian -`
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`12:12.10`	`Hendikins`	`How much surgery does debian do to the extensions system these days?`
`12:12.23`	`Robi-`	`unbelievable`
`12:12.32`	`Guerin`	`and which are mostly untested with debian packaged firefox - so are an unknown quantity`
`12:12.33`	`KarlosII`	`omg`
`12:12.35`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: dunno`
`12:12.43`	`Robi-`	`plenty of space, still refuses to write to the spool`
`12:13.02`	`Hendikins`	`Guerin: If it is non-zero, that likely means big headaches`
`12:13.14`	`Guerin`	`yeah`
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`12:13.38`	`Guerin`	`hrm, is kitame still the maint?`
`12:13.44`	`Guerin`	`!maint mozilla-firefox`
`12:13.49`	`dpkg`	`mozilla-firefox: Eric Dorland <eric@debian.org>`
`12:13.52`	`Guerin`	`oh`
`12:13.53`	`KarlosII`	`ah eric`
`12:13.54`	`Guerin`	`yay!`
`12:13.54`	`Hendikins`	`Besides, we've got internal support for global theme/extension installation, so hacking the extensions system shouldn't even be needed`
`12:14.29`	`Hendikins`	`All you'd need is an installation/removal script in the package that utilises it`
`12:14.39`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: debian do support firefox : do you remember frame-injection bug ? right , at that time i jumped on sid firefox (i'm runing sarge) , i had it in 48 hours, i remember people crying in here : they just don't understand what debian give 'em and how to get what they nedd : ting is : they just complain about firefox so why they should not directed to you ?`
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`12:14.40`	`Guerin`	`right`
`12:15.49`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: missing the point. If it is a valid upstream complaint, throw it at us. It is the not checking first that is the crux of it`
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`12:16.13`	`kevinv`	`hello`
`12:16.16`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: i dont send people to you : i'm a user :)`
`12:16.32`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: I'm just saying.`
`12:16.33`	`Metza`	`So basicly why 'apt-get install some-package' just didnt work cause of I did not update ther packagelist? (installing from minideb iso)? :)`
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`12:16.45`	`goccias`	`jeph: ok :)`
`12:16.48`	`goccias`	`ops`
`12:16.52`	`kevinv`	`Was Adobe more towards *NIX then Macromedia? just a question`
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`12:17.03`	`Guerin`	`kevinv: haha`
`12:17.04`	`Vlad`	`Metza: apt-get update`
`12:17.27`	`Hendikins`	`I'd rather be finishing putting up my NYE firworks photos, but this is of more value.`
`12:17.40`	`Hendikins`	`s/firworks/fireworks`
`12:17.41`	`Metza`	`very well then, thanks`
`12:17.54`	`Guerin`	`i'd rather be fishing, but i'm still too hung over`
`12:18.35`	`Guerin`	`but I have kheema pulau, so all is not lost`
`12:18.39`	`Hendikins`	`So... now that we've worked out what the issue is, where do we go from here?`
`12:18.41`	`kevinv`	`Guerin: I'm asking because what will happen to the flash player, or will we finally have a damn shockwave player lol. Maybe even a Flash Studio for Linux that actually works, it will for one attract more people to the Linux world.`
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`12:18.52`	`Guerin`	`kevinv: who cares?`
`12:19.07`	`Guerin`	`kevinv: let people who're dependent on shite like that use windows`
`12:20.03`	`Guerin`	`i don't have a problem with windows being popular`
`12:20.59`	`beggs`	`windows rules!`
`12:21.01`	`cheal`	`Hendikins: nothing. helpers here are only trained by the channel's culture. there are no channel-specific helper rules or guidelines`
`12:21.04`	`KarlosII`	`I do, it's called all the parents in the world kids having to support the bloody thing for their parents....`
`12:21.33`	`Guerin`	`KarlosII: are you drunk, or are you normally this incoherent?`
`12:21.39`	`Hendikins`	`cheal: So... basically we're stuck with sending all debian users back here, to get sent back to us, repeat ad nauseum?`
`12:21.41`	`nkuttler`	`cheal: hm, /msg dpkg rules\|guidelines?`
`12:22.12`	`kevinv`	`Guerin: well I have a problem why people love using an OS that has as many bugs and security holes that it has. Who cares if their too dumb to relize that GNU/Linux is just programmed better. :P`
`12:22.19`	`KarlosII`	`Guerin, Oh I thought u were smart enough to understand that`
`12:22.20`	`cheal`	`nkuttler: those are user rules/guidelines`
`12:22.44`	`KarlosII`	`kevinv, parents who never grew up with don't know any better`
`12:22.46`	`Guerin`	`kevinv: people like crap stuff which is shiny, not good stuff which isn't`
`12:22.53`	`Vlad`	`kevinv: the average user doesn't want to spend years on learning how to use a OS but he wants to install it and have it run`
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`12:24.07`	`KarlosII`	`So to make our lives manageable I do care about shockwave and flashplayer`
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`12:24.32`	`Guerin`	`KarlosII: flash makes the web UNmanageable`
`12:24.45`	`Hendikins`	`Not this holy war...`
`12:24.48`	`sett`	`does anyone use windowmaker?`
`12:24.50`	`Guerin`	`yeah`
`12:24.52`	`Guerin`	`it's offtopic`
`12:24.56`	`Guerin`	`sett: tarzeau does`
`12:25.07`	`cheal`	`Hendikins: until the erroneous redirections reach 1/2, that kind of loop can't happen. if #debian ever redirects to #firefox with over 1:1 downstream:upstream ratio, come back to discuss it`
`12:25.08`	`Hendikins`	`I'd throw this holy war out of #firefox too`
`12:25.09`	`KarlosII`	`Guerin u gotta ween the baby from the milk before u can give it the more tastier stuff`
`12:25.09`	`Guerin`	`sett: otherwise /msg dpkg anyone use windowmaker`
`12:25.13`	`Robi-`	`o man aptitude has diff thoughts on pkg mgt`
`12:25.21`	`Guerin`	`KarlosII: no, you don't.`
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`12:25.37`	`KarlosII`	`:P`
`12:25.43`	`kevinv`	`Great answers! But GNU/Linux can also be very shiny as well, mainly on speedy systems. There are tons of apps I use that my friends can't have :P`
`12:25.50`	`Hendikins`	`cheal: So basically, we should have to support problems we don't create, because of arrogence in this IRC channel?`
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`12:26.08`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: is anyone actually saying that?`
`12:26.11`	`sett`	`i've just got an icon from kde app and can't open it up`
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`12:26.19`	`kevinv`	`Xscreensaver is one big one, he wants it sooo badly, after visiting the website, he saw any Unix-based system. lol`
`12:26.20`	`sett`	`resize or whatever`
`12:26.25`	`sett`	`sick of it`
`12:26.31`	`KarlosII`	`kevinv, yup I love linux but I have hard time weaning parents to use linux and get waway from crap ms stuff`
`12:26.34`	`Vlad`	`hendikins: I thought you're more thoughtful than to utter such a thing`
`12:27.06`	`Hendikins`	`Vlad: I can only be sickeningly polite for so long.`
`12:27.14`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`12:27.29`	`Guerin`	`my limit is about three minutes`
`12:27.30`	`Robi-`	`Hendikins , probably a good time to go now..`
`12:27.30`	`vskoric`	`come on people, what is the matter with you, it is not about you, it is about user needing help, how would you feel when someone drives you around, if you dont want to help keep quiet, if you dont know keep silent, you dont need to redirect person anywhere she will redirect herself elsewhere for help, as she came here,she ll go there , you so boring, any way you are redirecting her to microsoft`
`12:27.32`	`Vlad`	`when was anyone in this channel not polite towards you?`
`12:27.39`	`cheal`	`Hendikins: no. as helpers you have to accept to get questions that shouldn't be directed to you. you don't have to answer those`
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`12:28.05`	`KarlosII`	`cheal IF debian modifies code then debian supports it`
`12:28.14`	`Hendikins`	`cheal: Of course. But when we get told "but the guys in #debian told us to ask here", /then/ we get annoyed.`
`12:28.17`	`Guerin`	`man, people are fucked up today`
`12:28.27`	`KarlosII`	`thats common sense`
`12:28.50`	`kevinv`	`I dis-like M$ for one huge reason.... YOU CAN'T CUSTOMIZE THEIR DAMN SHIT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN WITH A TUX MACHINE. And damn, when I use a computer, I need full control on what I do.`
`12:28.52`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: so now at least a few #debian regs know more clearly which questions should and should not be redirected to #firefox`
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`12:29.07`	`nkuttler`	`Hendikins: people get sent to the wrong channels all the time. how often do people come to you from this channel?`
`12:29.36`	`Hendikins`	`nkuttler: near daily basis, although a. it fluctuates, and b. I'm not awake 24/7`
`12:29.43`	`KarlosII`	`nkuttler, ummm do u have a couple days to add up the numbers`
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`12:29.53`	`Vlad`	`kevinv: for most people a computer where they can't do a thing is the best since otherwise they'll just fuck up the system`
`12:30.01`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: most of the issues regarding bizarre crashes/memory leakage?`
`12:30.07`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: just out of interest`
`12:30.08`	`cheal`	`Hendikins: of course, but there's really no economical way to avoid that`
`12:30.09`	`Hendikins`	`Guerin: No.`
`12:30.18`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: what sorts of things, then?`
`12:30.19`	`Hendikins`	`Guerin: Just for $random_firefox_issue`
`12:30.36`	`Hendikins`	`including things that are related to debian's packaging`
`12:30.46`	`Guerin`	`ok`
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`12:30.56`	`Vlad`	`how does one know if it is related to debian's packaging?`
`12:31.12`	`KarlosII`	`debian has he responsibility to determine the issue nad if it warrants to be sent to firefox`
`12:31.22`	`kevinv`	`But that's the fun of it all, I love to f*ck up my system and learn howto troubleshoot the problems myself.`
`12:31.22`	`Hendikins`	`Vlad: if it involves questions that have "apt" in them, that's a pretty sure bet`
`12:31.23`	`cheal`	`Vlad: one knows firefox and/or firefox debian packaging`
`12:31.43`	`nkuttler`	`none of the regulars here would send somebody with a packaging issue to a different channel`
`12:31.46`	`Vlad`	`well, you say pretty sure bet but not 100%`
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`12:32.03`	`Hendikins`	`nkuttler: I'm under the impression that people aren't even asking what the question is.`
`12:32.04`	`cheal`	`Hendikins: as nkuttler said`
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`12:32.27`	`Hendikins`	`"I'm having a problem with Firefox" "Ask #firefox"`
`12:32.31`	`takatumi`	`Hendikins: not true`
`12:32.33`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: i think is firefox fault : if you see what opera does . i mean instruction how to set up java flash and so on . you'll get the point : not experienced users get problems because they can't get good docs-instructions on what to do`
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`12:32.53`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: In another life I also maintain plugindoc.mozdev.org`
`12:33.01`	`KarlosII`	`a problem with apt get for firefox failing to install and remove flashplayer properly for ff 1.5 is a install issue with apt get`
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`12:33.41`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: and those should be handled here if .deb builds are involved, because those items are installable through the debian packaging system.`
`12:33.50`	`Guerin`	`yeah, i'd tend to send questions about functionality ("is this behavior normal?" etc) to upstream, but not all sorts of problems.`
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`12:34.06`	`nkuttler`	`KarlosII: do you use debian? do you know the bts?`
`12:34.23`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: i disagree : docs on specific linux distributions should be hanlded by firefox , opera does it :)`
`12:34.39`	`Guerin`	`KarlosII: ff1.5 is only in unstable. If you can't fix broken shit like that, you shouldn't be using unstable.`
`12:34.44`	`cheal`	`KarlosII: it's not the way it works. free software projects do not offer free support`
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`12:34.49`	`KarlosII`	`not a macromedia or firefox issue :) But noone in here would take the time to look at the issue the other day when i said I have a problem with after the install of my flashs images screwing up they immediaetly assumed it was sum1 elses issue`
`12:34.59`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: If I didn't disagree with your argument, I'd take that as a personal shot, given I maintain those docs on the firefox end.`
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`12:35.28`	`Hendikins`	`and until I have a nice fat pipe and some testing hardware, I simply can't do that.`
`12:35.31`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: most of the questions are about flash and java : i 'm trying to be collaborative with you : i use firefox :)`
`12:35.32`	`KarlosII`	`the point is issue was resolved with apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-nonfree`
`12:35.47`	`KarlosII`	`and rm -rf .mozilla/plugins/`
`12:35.53`	`KarlosII`	`voila`
`12:35.57`	`Guerin`	`KarlosII: did you file a bug requesting that the postinst script be altered?`
`12:36.06`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: I don't. cue irony.`
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`12:36.12`	`KarlosII`	`nkuttler, yes I do and thats on my list to do`
`12:36.15`	`Guerin`	`KarlosII: if you did, good on you. If you didn't, stop whining.`
`12:36.26`	`VoltronRex`	`hi! what package do I install to get base kde development headers etc? everythign I have tried has attempted to install kde4, and I'm still on 3 afaik`
`12:36.30`	`nkuttler`	`KarlosII: don't make lists. _do_ stuff`
`12:36.31`	`KarlosII`	`guerin, thats on my list of todo now that I just fixed it 5 mins ago`
`12:36.45`	`Hendikins`	`Guerin: That's actually an example of something I don't think should've made it to upstream.`
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`12:36.58`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: what ... the flash issue?`
`12:37.02`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: absolutely.`
`12:37.05`	`kimo`	`by any chance, is someone using Toshiba M45 laptop ?`
`12:37.16`	`Guerin`	`!anyone use Toshiba M45 laptop`
`12:37.16`	`dpkg`	`No, no one uses Toshiba M45 laptop, not even the people who use it.`
`12:37.25`	`cheal`	`VoltronRex: kde4??`
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`12:37.48`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: debian should be "hilighted" on mozilla site : debian is very veryu popular as firefox is , instructions steps by steps for new users will help to solve the problem you are talking about`
`12:38.07`	`Guerin`	`goccias: wtf ... why?`
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`12:38.35`	`Guerin`	`goccias: distributors should document their own distributions.`
`12:38.36`	`VoltronRex`	`cheal: yep, what it wants to install is kdelibs4-dev`
`12:38.36`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: I don't maintain stuff on *.m.o. That, and we don't provide instructions for any vendor supplied packages, so why should Debian be different?`
`12:38.49`	`cheal`	`VoltronRex: that's kdelibs4, not kde4`
`12:38.52`	`goccias`	`opera does it`
`12:38.58`	`goccias`	`go and see :)`
`12:38.59`	`Hendikins`	`We're not Opera.`
`12:39.02`	`Guerin`	`goccias: bully for them.`
`12:39.15`	`Hendikins`	`and I do believe that Opera actually spins their own .debs`
`12:39.22`	`cusco`	`hello! good mornign!`
`12:39.25`	`cusco`	`happy 2006!`
`12:39.29`	`Guerin`	`goccias: opera is also proprietary, so distributors CANNOT properly document it.`
`12:39.31`	`Hendikins`	`(Could be wrong, but it seems that way)`
`12:39.31`	`VoltronRex`	`cheal: that's not kde4? what's the 4 for then?`
`12:39.34`	`jeph`	`cusco: good afternoon`
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`12:39.36`	`Guerin`	`yes, they do`
`12:39.47`	`cusco`	`oh yeas.. good afternoon hehe`
`12:39.51`	`Hendikins`	`Right. Entirely different matter documenting something you also QA.`
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`12:40.37`	`Hendikins`	`We don't supply or QA the Firefox debs, so it is a tad unreasonable to expect us to document them. That's the job of downstream.`
`12:40.54`	`Skrotto`	`VoltronRex: kde 4.0 won't be out for a year or so :)`
`12:41.08`	`VoltronRex`	`doh`
`12:41.09`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: debian is not a vendor`
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`12:41.20`	`VoltronRex`	`naming conventions, blech`
`12:41.20`	`Guerin`	`goccias: yes, debian most certainly IS a vendor.`
`12:41.21`	`goccias`	`is quite different`
`12:41.22`	`Skrotto`	`VoltronRex: But trust me, when it's out you'll know :p`
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`12:41.27`	`Guerin`	`goccias: you're wrong.`
`12:41.36`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: Then by your logic, who is the vendor? It isn't us, we're upstream.`
`12:41.58`	`goccias`	`Guerin: ok i'm wrong , i accept it : but i still feel my way :)`
`12:42.00`	`cusco`	`how do I know which ftpd is best to have on my system? there are so many to choose from...`
`12:42.12`	`MicroChip32`	`how do i tell an interface to completely forget its current dhcp address, so next time it will request a totally new address ?`
`12:42.14`	`Guerin`	`goccias: you're free to feel what you like.`
`12:42.19`	`pureone`	`cusco by testing them :)`
`12:42.27`	`Guerin`	`MicroChip32: change its MAC address.`
`12:42.28`	`jeph`	`cusco: vsftpd is my choice`
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`12:42.37`	`cusco`	`how do I know the diference between them?`
`12:42.41`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: debian for many many new users is like a dream come true : ask around`
`12:42.44`	`cusco`	`do you mind if I ask why jeph ?`
`12:42.45`	`Guerin`	`MicroChip32: you can use ifconfig or perhaps mii-tool to do it`
`12:42.53`	`jeph`	`cusco: apt-cache show <package_name>`
`12:42.54`	`kevinv`	`Another problem for Windows users comming to Linux, to many choices. lol`
`12:42.58`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: As for your thoughts on flash, java and debian Firefox, if the relevant Debian person wants to assist me with providing docs, I'm all ears`
`12:43.01`	`Guerin`	`the 'vs' in vsftpd stands for very secure`
`12:43.08`	`goccias`	`they know about debian as a hard to set up distro and they are happy to install it`
`12:43.11`	`jeph`	`cusco: because its easy to configure, stable and secure`
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`12:43.21`	`Guerin`	`and it is - it's also simple, and has few moving parts ... unlike, say, proftpd`
`12:43.34`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: I'm not here to listen to advocacy/zealotry. I already use another distribution, I'm happy with it, and I'm not here asking about the distribution itself.`
`12:43.41`	`kevinv`	`cusco,I perfer proftpd, but it all depends on what the purpose of the FTP server will be.`
`12:43.51`	`MicroChip32`	`Guerin : mac change ? ACK! isnt there a dhclient or similar command, like renew or something ?`
`12:43.57`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: which distro, out of interest?`
`12:43.58`	`MicroChip32`	`er, release`
`12:44.10`	`Hendikins`	`Guerin: Well, it was SuSE 9.3 when I installed it.`
`12:44.17`	`ArtVandalae`	`Hello I have a fileserver running samba. I want Window users to be able to view/play the files but not delete them. I turn off read with chmod, but they can delete this read only file. How can I stop them from deleting it?`
`12:44.36`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: i'm not a zelot too : i use debian cause it improves the quality of my life . debian give me lot of spare time :)`
`12:44.45`	`Guerin`	`MicroChip32: that would be a dhcp client issue; you'd want to read the docs. DHCP servers assign addresses by MAC address, so changing it will certainly result in a new address.`
`12:44.53`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: heh.`
`12:44.56`	`kevinv`	`ArtVandalae, make the share read-only`
`12:44.57`	`jeph`	`ArtVandalae: in the shares config in /etc/samba/smb.conf, set "read only = yes"`
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`12:45.14`	`ArtVandalae`	`Can they still add files with read-only on?`
`12:45.15`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: I'm not here to ask or hear about that though. Quite franky, I don't even care about that. I'm just here to discuss the upstream/downstream relations with Firefox support.`
`12:45.43`	`MicroChip32`	`Guerin : yea, that i know, but want to avoid that =/ (mac addr) i'll look into dhclient`
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`12:46.54`	`kevinv`	`ArtVandalae, Change the ownerships of the files you want read-only to 'root'.`
`12:46.56`	`Hendikins`	`goccias: and I don't even use Firefox, for that matter (I use the suite, have done so since 1999)`
`12:47.08`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: as a user i see no problems isntalling firefox*.deb : maybe flash and java ...`
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`12:47.37`	`kevinv`	`Because the guest user isn't a 'root' user they may not delete those files.`
`12:47.43`	`Guerin`	`goccias: the horse is dead.`
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`12:48.04`	`goccias`	`Hendikins: if they ask you about different things , well they are badgers :)`
`12:48.05`	`Hendikins`	`That particular horse wasn't alive in the first place.`
`12:48.10`	`Guerin`	`kevinv: um, whether a file can be deleted or not is governed by the containing directory's permissions`
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`12:48.19`	`Guerin`	`kevinv: uin unix, at least`
`12:48.34`	`Guerin`	`Hendikins: was it even a horse?`
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`12:49.02`	`Matis`	`HI EVERYBODY I GOT 2 DAYS USING LINUX, I AM NW =), I AM READING SOME TEXT, AND I WANTED TO KNOW, IF ANYBODY COULD TELL ME WHERE TO DOWNLOAD SOME EXERCICES, BUT EXERCICES FOR NWS =D, COULD SOMEONE HELP ME?`
`12:49.09`	`Hendikins`	`We'll assume so for this purpose.`
`12:49.17`	`SlayerXP`	`Matis: YOUR CAPSLOCK IS BROKEN`
`12:49.18`	`Hendikins`	`Matis: Please don't shout. It is considered rude.`
`12:49.25`	`Guerin`	`Matis: please buy a keyboard with a functional capslock`
`12:49.26`	`kevinv`	`I know, reason changing the owner of the entire folder to 'root' and creating an 'incoming' folder.`
`12:50.18`	`Guerin`	`so ...anyone got any idea what NWS is?`
`12:50.19`	`kevinv`	`I stumbled upon this when creating a samba share and forgetting to change the permissions of the directory and attempting to write to it.`
`12:50.33`	`Matis`	`does someone got some bash excercies URL?`
`12:50.33`	`Vlad`	`nw=new=noob`
`12:50.38`	`Guerin`	`oh`
`12:50.42`	`SlayerXP`	`Matis: http://www.google.com/`
`12:50.45`	`Guerin`	`you think nws == newbs?`
`12:50.45`	`Vlad`	`at least thats what I think`
`12:50.53`	`Vlad`	`very likely`
`12:50.54`	`Guerin`	`!fundamentals`
`12:50.55`	`dpkg`	`You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue".`
`12:51.08`	`kevinv`	`Another way would also be to set in smb.conf the options for seperate passwds for write and read permissions.`
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`12:53.13`	`Hendikins`	`Guerin: Just for sheer curiousity value, who runs #debian?`
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`12:56.10`	`kevinv`	`That sounds so cute: "Hendikins doesn't plan on harassing them, after all, he still uses freenode for other stuff"`
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`12:56.33`	`kevinv`	`Just the way it was emoted.`
`12:56.49`	`Hendikins`	`kevinv: I'm assuming they'd be about as appreciative as I'd be.`
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`13:06.56`	`cello_rasp`	`which is the best java vm installation for debian? the debian package, the blackdown one or the sun one?`
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`13:08.08`	`coslek`	`cello_rasp: try the sun one, from source.`
`13:08.32`	`Vlad`	`anyone knows why www.roleplayer.org responds so slowly? Serverload is very little`
`13:08.39`	`Hendikins`	`sounds like death by 1000 cuts...`
`13:09.10`	`rob`	`test`
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`13:09.48`	`coslek`	`Vlad: how do you find out about a server's load?`
`13:10.01`	`Vlad`	`top`
`13:10.03`	`bbrazil`	`coslek: uptime`
`13:10.23`	`Vlad`	`a tracert gives me an error`
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`13:13.15`	`dramboat`	`test again...`
`13:13.34`	`coslek`	`i don't get it. top is a command that monitors the local machine. uptime is a parameter. how to get at it?`
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`13:14.27`	`Vlad`	`you asked for server load`
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`13:15.35`	`dreamboat`	`first time for me connecting with debian not win :)`
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`13:16.02`	`goccias`	`dreamboat: how do you feeel ? :)`
`13:16.04`	`yang`	`i got trouble using webmin - i wonder where the deny IP goes to?`
`13:16.27`	`dreamboat`	`feel like i am treading water... head still up tho`
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`13:17.11`	`dreamboat`	`first real run with linux too, so a whole new world`
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`13:17.39`	`coslek`	`dreamboat: what is your set-up?`
`13:17.39`	`goccias`	`dreamboat: out of curiousity : are you running firefox ?`
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`13:18.11`	`dreamboat`	`old pc, 633Mhz, 96 RAM`
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`13:18.42`	`dreamboat`	`will get up to 256 ram soon, but considering splashing out a few hundred on a p4 to try`
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`13:18.48`	`smhar_`	`hi all`
`13:18.53`	`dreamboat`	`not running firefox`
`13:18.55`	`kevinv`	`Mines older :P -- Intel Celeron 400Mhz, 384MB RAM`
`13:19.04`	`dreamboat`	`moxilla not working for me`
`13:19.08`	`eleftherios`	`I am on a PIII 933Mhz`
`13:19.09`	`coslek`	`dreamboat: debian stable, testing...kernel version, xfree or xorg?`
`13:19.11`	`dreamboat`	`neither is apt`
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`13:19.22`	`dreamboat`	`kernel 2.6`
`13:19.29`	`dreamboat`	`stable`
`13:19.46`	`bizkit`	`!sunday`
`13:19.46`	`dpkg`	`Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.`
`13:19.49`	`dreamboat`	`konqueror works, and gets me to the outside world`
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`13:19.49`	`Hendikins`	`kevinv: I've got a PIII450 with 128 RAM at my feet, next to a PIII1000 with 256. Do those count? (My main box is a dual AthlonMP 2600+ w/1024)`
`13:20.08`	`dreamboat`	`at your feet as in footrest ?`
`13:20.27`	`Hendikins`	`No. IBM servers in tower cases are a wee bit big for that.`
`13:20.30`	`kevinv`	`besides the ram, Tux seems to love it when I feel him RAM, sadly when I feed him harings, I bring him to the tech shop and they sadly say I killed him, what did I do wrong? I thought Penguins loved harings.`
`13:20.51`	`smhar_`	`whenever i go to console I see strange kernel messages about eth0. the card is working ok and I can connect to the net through it.. but those messages just consume the screen`
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`13:21.25`	`valdyn`	`smhar_: and we are supposed to guess that message?`
`13:21.53`	`coslek`	`dreamboat: which chat client is yours?`
`13:22.11`	`kevinv`	`Reason I never use my Debian box directly. :P connecting via XDMCP is a dream, wait... I'm not sleeping, Linux is real?!?!? Wow, what a great OS.`
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`13:22.18`	`smhar_`	`valdyn: how to sent a text file here so you can see it.. I am using irssi`
`13:22.20`	`dreamboat`	`any thoughts as to why konqueror works, but I cannot connect apt to ftp ?`
`13:22.27`	`bizkit`	`!paste`
`13:22.27`	`dpkg`	`Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help".`
`13:22.49`	`valdyn`	`!paste`
`13:22.50`	`dpkg`	`Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help".`
`13:22.56`	`dreamboat`	`coslek: I am using ksirc`
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`13:23.06`	`bizkit`	`well.. ;)`
`13:23.07`	`smhar_`	`I am on console and I can not copy paste`
`13:23.07`	`Hendikins`	`We don't use pastebin here? Interesting.`
`13:23.12`	`coslek`	`dreamboat: have you got your sources.list set up correctly?`
`13:23.19`	`bizkit`	`dreamboat: you have to specify your problem`
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`13:23.23`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: i dont find it particularily slow`
`13:23.27`	`jeph`	`smhar_: pen and paper ;-)`
`13:23.30`	`ootput`	`hi guys, is it ok to use an unstable repo with testing?`
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`13:23.43`	`dreamboat`	`coslek: tried apt-setup, timed out on connection to servers`
`13:23.47`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: part that took relatively long is only the dns looku from here`
`13:23.55`	`raden`	`whats the diffrence from init.d and xinit.d ?`
`13:23.57`	`smhar_`	`jeph: ok you asked for it :-)`
`13:24.01`	`dvsdude`	`smhar_, go to another console ctrl+alt+F2 say and see if kernel messages there too`
`13:24.14`	`Vlad`	`it's strange`
`13:24.31`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: howlong until this image is loaded? http://www.roleplayer.org/dwl/epie.jpg`
`13:24.37`	`smhar_`	`c`
`13:24.53`	`bizkit`	`raden: there's only inetd and xinetd, which are both daemons to start apps on demand`
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`13:25.28`	`smhar_`	`dvsdude: I can get the kernel messages to text file but the screen is just irratating.. the messages just fill the screen and I can even see what I am typing`
`13:25.47`	`jeph`	`bizkit: or /etc/init.d, which also starts apps in a way...`
`13:25.48`	`smhar_`	`I have to /clear every now and then to get a clean screen here`
`13:25.49`	`coslek`	`dreamboat: apt-set, i did it only once when i set up my machine. can't remember much about it. it would still need a proper sources.list. ithimk.`
`13:25.56`	`raden`	`bizkit, whats the diffrence between the 2 and why cant i start or stop xinitd ? or start anything as root ?`
`13:26.02`	`dvsdude`	`smhar_, i think it firewall iptables related`
`13:26.17`	`ootput`	`hi guys, is it ok to use an unstable repo with testing?`
`13:26.17`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: 27 seconds..slow`
`13:26.33`	`dvsdude`	`swith to other console ie ctrl+alt+F2`
`13:26.45`	`dreamboat`	`coslek: when I installed, I used the cd's only, and had no connection to the net at that time`
`13:26.49`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: server load is ok: top - 14:26:45 up 19:49, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.16, 0.11`
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`13:26.57`	`jeph`	`smhar_: the messages are almost certainly in /var/log/messages, which you could open with a X11 editor, and paste into the pastesite from mozilla...`
`13:27.05`	`bizkit`	`there is no xinit.d, it's xinetd. and init.d is something different, jeph. inetd and xinetd are networking tools, init.d is part of the sysvinit to enter a certain runlevel on boot`
`13:27.23`	`dvsdude`	`jeph, think he's console only no x11`
`13:27.31`	`Vlad`	`I'll restart the server`
`13:27.32`	`dreamboat`	`then when I tried to connect, gnome was my gui, which brought up mozilla as browser, which didn't work`
`13:27.41`	`smhar_`	`it keeps saying something like ABORTED IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:c0:26:59::8a:0b:00:90:d0:dc and so on`
`13:27.51`	`dreamboat`	`three days later I tried Konqueror which worked immediately`
`13:27.59`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: loading www.roleplayer.org only takes <6 seconds though`
`13:28.11`	`coslek`	`dreamboat: which CD do u have?`
`13:28.23`	`dreamboat`	`I am connecting to a modem which is also connected to win XP`
`13:28.29`	`dreamboat`	`have 1, 2, 3`
`13:28.43`	`dreamboat`	`first stable release of sarge from a few mobnths ago`
`13:29.35`	`dreamboat`	`which is why I am keen to update everything`
`13:29.37`	`bizkit`	`dreamboat: why did mozilla not work? where was the problem? specify`
`13:29.41`	`valdyn`	`smhar_: edit /etc/sysctl.conf to avoid this spam on console`
`13:29.47`	`bizkit`	`dreamboat: do you use a proxy?`
`13:29.56`	`dreamboat`	`would not connect`
`13:29.58`	`madroach`	`hi, where am I supposed to specify the options to use for modules being loaded? I need to force the kernel lockd to use a specific port.`
`13:30.08`	`dreamboat`	`let me fire it up, and i'll give you the message`
`13:30.17`	`g0th`	`re`
`13:30.35`	`dvsdude`	`smhar_, switch to other console ie ctrl+alt+F2 if u can`
`13:30.51`	`dreamboat`	`bizkit: ummm,,,, dunno - sorry`
`13:31.02`	`dreamboat`	`too technical speak for me`
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`13:31.34`	`madroach`	`In many howtos it says one should place option lines in /etc/modules.conf now how do I do this for debian?`
`13:31.35`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: roleplayer.org is still ~5 sec, that jpg is still 27 seconds, quite strange`
`13:31.46`	`bizkit`	`madroach: use update-modules`
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`13:32.01`	`valdyn`	`madroach: for 2.6 kernels?`
`13:32.07`	`g0th`	`my situation is: I can't use my "Alt Gr" key anymore after an upgrade of my debian sid (including xorg 6.8.? to xorg 6.9), I tried: A lot of possible xkeycap settings (none worked), reconfiguring my xserver-xorg (although I didn't change anything and it worked before)`
`13:32.21`	`dreamboat`	`I have mozilla now "Connecting to www.debian.org..."`
`13:32.43`	`g0th`	`I have a swiss german keyboard and my machine is a laptop`
`13:32.59`	`madroach`	`yes, for 2.6`
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`13:33.04`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: I did reboot the server now it seems www.roleplayer.org is also slow`
`13:33.04`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: does the key show up in xev?`
`13:33.17`	`bizkit`	`madroach: then see modprobe.conf`
`13:33.18`	`valdyn`	`madroach: dont use update-modules, make a file of your choice in /etc/modprobe.d/`
`13:33.35`	`valdyn`	`madroach: there's examples in there too`
`13:33.44`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: yes`
`13:33.52`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: and it seems to work in the console`
`13:33.59`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: check the bts and /msg dpkg keymap`
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`13:34.14`	`g0th`	`I checked /msg dpkg keymap`
`13:35.21`	`g0th`	`I tried to check bts, what is the address again? I went to bugs.debian.org or sthg like that and entered alt gr, but obviously it didn't find anything`
`13:35.21`	`goccias`	`g0th: kde ?`
`13:35.21`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: ~5 sec for me, nothing changed`
`13:35.21`	`abrotman`	`g0th: still?`
`13:35.21`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: bugs.debian.org/packagename`
`13:35.22`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: you can probably fix it with xmodmap`
`13:35.26`	`g0th`	`goccias: no, gnome, but it has nothing to do with that`
`13:35.38`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: sure it's not cached for you?`
`13:35.49`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: so packagename=xmodmap or what?`
`13:35.50`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: well, i cant be sure, not possible )`
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`13:36.18`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: as i cant tell if my isp does transparent proxying, but since that jpb remaims at constant 27 seconds its quite unlikely there's a cache`
`13:36.19`	`bizkit`	`dreamboat: so you use a direct connection in mozilla, what about konqueror? did you specify a proxy there? if you don't have a nat gateway you use a proxy`
`13:36.25`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: xserver-xorg or whatever you want... why aren't you running stable?`
`13:36.39`	`dreamboat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:36.43`	`g0th`	`I mean it worked nicely before, there must be a reason it doesn't anymore, and xmodmap sounds more like a hack and xkeycaps didn't work, so I'm not sure it will work with xmodmap as it's a frontend to it`
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`13:37.03`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: heh, because stable is not old but older than old ;)`
`13:37.18`	`dreamboat`	`bizkit: i did not fiddle with any setting in either konqueror or mozilla`
`13:37.19`	`g0th`	`and unstable is more stable than what some other distros call "stable"`
`13:37.20`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: ping time is exceptionally good though for me`
`13:37.21`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: the www.roleplayer.org might be cached ^^`
`13:37.39`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: yea, well, you can watch me grab it to verify`
`13:37.52`	`madroach`	`valdyn: I don't see any examples in /etc/modprobe.d. Is this modprobe.{d,conf} thing documented somewhere?`
`13:37.53`	`yang`	`i got trouble using webmin - i wonder how to disable the denied IP address?`
`13:37.54`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: look... you can use xmodmap, downgrade the package, or run stable`
`13:37.55`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: how?`
`13:37.56`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: read your log`
`13:38.12`	`valdyn`	`madroach: there's no files in /etc/modprobe.d/ for you?`
`13:38.48`	`bizkit`	`dreamboat: what does 'set \| grep proxy' give you?`
`13:38.55`	`dreamboat`	`bizkit: can i check any settings which will tell you something?`
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`13:39.11`	`strk`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/sThR7X49.html`
`13:39.19`	`strk`	`^^^ post-processin errors (trying to get stable)`
`13:39.32`	`valdyn`	`madroach: the syntax is exmplained in 'man modprobe.conf'.`
`13:39.35`	`abrotman`	`g0th: did you try asking #freedesktop about it ? ... maybe a bug in 6.9 ?`
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`13:39.48`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log`
`13:39.51`	`smhar`	`hi all`
`13:39.54`	`strk`	`undefined symbol: g_assert_warning <-- mainly due to this`
`13:40.03`	`strk`	`any help on how to fix ?`
`13:40.03`	`madroach`	`valdyn: perfect, thanks`
`13:40.24`	`g0th`	`abrotman: I'll try`
`13:40.28`	`g0th`	`hmm`
`13:40.31`	`cusco`	`I have an old mouse that connects on the mouse port on the back of the computer`
`13:40.37`	`cusco`	`would that be /dev/input/mice ?`
`13:40.42`	`bizkit`	`what is the mouse port?`
`13:40.50`	`valdyn`	`cusco: any mouse would be /dev/input/mice`
`13:40.50`	`cusco`	`or what should I use in xorg instead?`
`13:40.50`	`dreamboat`	`bizkit: I can't get the \| symbol in tty...`
`13:40.52`	`blondie`	`you mean a PS/2 mouse?`
`13:41.10`	`cusco`	`Im not sure blondie`
`13:41.14`	`bizkit`	`dreamboat: echo $http_proxy`
`13:41.18`	`nkuttler`	`strk: hm, what command did you just use?`
`13:41.19`	`smhar`	`I am having a problem with my debian pc which for a long time I didn't know the reson.. but now I really suspect the memory.. how to test the memory.. I remember a program call metest or something .. anyone`
`13:41.21`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: hmmm....`
`13:41.21`	`cusco`	`I meant the mouse socket bizkit`
`13:41.29`	`blondie`	`or a serial mouse :o`
`13:41.35`	`valdyn`	`cusco: say, you had 10 mice, all would have their data pumped thru /dev/input/mice`
`13:41.36`	`bizkit`	`cusco: ps/2, serial?`
`13:41.47`	`cusco`	`blondie: probablie a serial I don't really know`
`13:41.48`	`nkuttler`	`smhar: apt-cache search memtest`
`13:41.55`	`blondie`	`a serial? I doubt it`
`13:42.01`	`blondie`	`if the plug is round it's PS/2`
`13:42.03`	`cusco`	`oh well then a ps/2`
`13:42.09`	`cahoot`	`smhar: memtest86+`
`13:42.19`	`dreamboat`	`bizkit: a blank line then another command prompt`
`13:42.21`	`cusco`	`yes it is`
`13:42.22`	`smhar`	`nkuttler, the problem is that the pc loads debian and this just stuck`
`13:42.31`	`smhar`	`cahoot, yas.. thank you`
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`13:42.58`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: now its at ~44 seconds in 2 tries`
`13:43.12`	`abrotman`	`hey .. i didn't get banned!`
`13:43.17`	`blondie`	`serial mice haven't been used in over 10 years ;o`
`13:43.20`	`Vlad`	`strange`
`13:43.22`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: and www.roleplayer.org still at ~5`
`13:43.30`	`Vlad`	`why is that?`
`13:43.32`	`strk`	`nkuttler: apt-get install libgnome2-common`
`13:43.57`	`nkuttler`	`strk: try apt-get -f install`
`13:44.25`	`strk`	`no changes`
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`13:44.49`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: how many files are in that dwl directory? many?`
`13:44.51`	`bluechild`	`hello, i built the 2.6.14.5 kernel yesterday, but i have a hard time booting ... It mounts the local drives but the the booting process stall. It gives a "Call Trace" message`
`13:45.01`	`abrotman`	`so use the old kernel`
`13:45.13`	`abrotman`	`!kernel of instability`
`13:45.14`	`dpkg`	`Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal)`
`13:45.14`	`valdyn`	`bluechild: what's wrong the debian's precompiled kernel?`
`13:45.16`	`bluechild`	`and then "<c0147f99> .... <c014...) ..`
`13:45.23`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: 13 files`
`13:45.26`	`strk`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/m0LTU688.html`
`13:45.31`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: so that's not it..`
`13:45.35`	`strk`	`^^^ this is dpkg -l \| grep -v ^ii`
`13:45.51`	`bluechild`	`valdyn, i don't have sound support ..`
`13:45.57`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: i'd try narrowing this down, try different files, run a different webserver, etc`
`13:46.01`	`abrotman`	`strk: paste your sources`
`13:46.03`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: why not ?`
`13:46.16`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: there is a lot of access of dynamically generated images... but that was also before the case`
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`13:46.34`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: ..and that should not affect that jpg`
`13:46.40`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, i got an audiophile 24/96 sound card`
`13:46.57`	`Vlad`	`wanna have a look at the machine @valdyn?`
`13:47.00`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: and which kernel has support ?`
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`13:47.17`	`linuxnewbie101`	`kismet is no longer working after my apt-get dist-upgrade i installed package maintainers kismet.conf i can paste error msg in flood if someone could help me out briefly`
`13:47.36`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: nah, i dont think i can fix this directly, you want to narrow this down first as i said`
`13:47.42`	`basix`	`is md5 checksum calculation a lot less taxing on the CPU than the sha1?`
`13:47.52`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: How? I have no clue`
`13:47.52`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, alsa supports my card but i needed to specify the exact module for it ..`
`13:47.56`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: like by starting a new webserver on a different port`
`13:48.06`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: and 2.6.8 doesnt' have htat module ?`
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`13:48.16`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: How do you mean that?`
`13:48.20`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: or by just using scp to copy files`
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`13:48.58`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, i guess, but i wanted to do it myself. That's the point of it after all :)`
`13:49.32`	`goccias`	`abrotman : alsa unload my modules and after that it cant' find the card : i've tried everything, 2.6.14 backports included`
`13:49.34`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: logged in by ftp (was quick) and downloaded the file (was also quick)`
`13:50.08`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: so it looks like your issue is either bound to that specific port ( 80 ), or apache2 is to blame`
`13:50.22`	`abrotman`	`no .. that's not the point`
`13:50.22`	`abrotman`	`FFS ...`
`13:50.40`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, i also wanted to change my rescheduling options cause the system has been responding a bit slow ..`
`13:50.41`	`Vlad`	`I deinstall clamav right now`
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`13:50.53`	`valdyn`	`!be a scheduling barbie`
`13:50.53`	`dpkg`	`Aww, scheduling is HARD! Let's go shopping, valdyn`
`13:50.54`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: that is not the point`
`13:50.54`	`Vlad`	`that's the only thing I have changed before the problems started`
`13:51.12`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: ah i see`
`13:51.20`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: read apache2's error log file`
`13:51.38`	`abrotman`	`!custom kernel`
`13:51.39`	`dpkg`	`read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image>`
`13:51.46`	`valdyn`	`Vlad: /var/log/apache2/error.log`
`13:51.51`	`zinosat`	`I can't type accented letters whan using emacs as default editor for mutt. If I use vi it works`
`13:52.08`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, i don't get where you're getting at ..`
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`13:52.50`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: only favicon is missing in some other folder`
`13:53.00`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: if the kernel you're supplied with has the support .. don't muck around compiling your own`
`13:53.23`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, and what do i do about the rescheduling then ? :/`
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`13:53.52`	`valdyn`	`bluechild: you dont mess with scheduling`
`13:53.53`	`yang`	`Anyone using webmin?`
`13:53.53`	`abrotman`	`rescheduling what ?`
`13:53.59`	`abrotman`	`!webmin`
`13:53.59`	`dpkg`	`webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro hates webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server."`
`13:54.15`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, i want to optimize for desktop use ..`
`13:54.24`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: really .. and how will you do that ?`
`13:54.25`	`ThePiratemaster`	`do the numbers in rc1.d and rc2.d and so on correcpond to init.d runlevels?`
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`13:54.39`	`ThePiratemaster`	`*correspond`
`13:54.53`	`abrotman`	`ThePiratemaster: to init run levels .. yes`
`13:55.06`	`ThePiratemaster`	`tnx`
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`13:55.19`	`tarzeau`	`!hny`
`13:55.19`	`dpkg`	`Happy New Year!`
`13:55.41`	`abrotman`	`the only thing i've seen that used to make desktops run better was pre-empt .. and i don't think it even helps anymore`
`13:56.03`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, sorry, i've been talking about preemption :)`
`13:56.14`	`valdyn`	`hard to notice it subjectively if you're not doing realtime audio stuff or somesuch`
`13:56.46`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: yeah .. afaik .. if you add preempt to 2.6 .. you will SLOW your machine down`
`13:56.55`	`abrotman`	`or later 2.6s anyways`
`13:57.33`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, then why does qconf say otherwise ? :/`
`13:57.43`	`ThePiratemaster`	`in wich one of them should i put a masquerading script for iptables (default run level? wich is that?)`
`13:58.08`	`valdyn`	`bluechild: 'responsiveness' is your subjective impression about things that do not even have to have anything at all to do with your scheduler`
`13:58.09`	`takatumi`	`abrotman: eh?`
`13:58.33`	`dreamboat`	`bizkit: anything else you want me to check?`
`13:58.34`	`nanok`	`ThePiratemaster: grep -i default /etc/inittab`
`13:58.34`	`valdyn`	`bluechild: for example, if you are waiting for things to be swapped in or out then that has nothing at all to do with the scheduler`
`13:58.41`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: did now remove clamav and rebooting the server`
`13:58.55`	`ThePiratemaster`	`tnx nanok`
`13:59.06`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: so this really has nothing to do with your sound ?`
`13:59.28`	`bluechild`	`valdyn, yes i know, i've been using the wrong word :)`
`13:59.32`	`nanok`	`ThePiratemaster: man update-rc.d`
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`13:59.45`	`valdyn`	`bluechild: uh, it also has nothing to do with preempt then`
`13:59.46`	`ThePiratemaster`	`nanok, i was reading it :)`
`13:59.50`	`slashdot`	`Reading Package Lists... Error!`
`13:59.52`	`slashdot`	`E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (1)`
`13:59.53`	`slashdot`	`E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.`
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`14:00.00`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, partly with it and partly with the other thing`
`14:00.11`	`ThePiratemaster`	`rc2.d is theo ne, happy new year all, tnx`
`14:00.12`	`slashdot`	`/var/lib/dpkg/status is there. Is there any way I can force dpkg to rebuild package db?`
`14:00.12`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: sorry .. my connectivity to freenode SUCKS today`
`14:00.14`	`valdyn`	`bluechild: preempt affects things in the x0-x00 microsecond range`
`14:00.31`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: you should avoid preempt`
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`14:01.28`	`valdyn`	`bluechild: sound getting affected by moving a window, that's a scheduler / preempt thing`
`14:01.33`	`war92`	`I am running Debian Etch-- how do I make a .deb of FireFox 1.5 from www.mozilla.org?`
`14:01.36`	`bluechild`	`valdyn, of course it has to do with preempt ... It's about priority of processes isn't it ?`
`14:01.48`	`blondie`	`slashdot you DoSer`
`14:02.10`	`blondie`	`ha`
`14:02.11`	`abrotman`	`yes .. but adding preempt to later 2.6s is actually a decrease in what you're trying to improve`
`14:02.35`	`bluechild`	`valdyn, yes, that's what i want to do :)`
`14:02.53`	`nkuttler`	`war92: /msg dpkg newmaint`
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`14:02.57`	`abrotman`	`valdyn: no .. that's a screwed up system :)`
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`14:03.32`	`valdyn`	`abrotman: yea i guess its not really problematic with recent kernels`
`14:04.03`	`valdyn`	`( with or without preempt )`
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`14:05.08`	`abrotman`	`and on top of that .. the kernel is not in debian .. not a #debian issue .. if you dn't have the ability to build your kernel .. don't`
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`14:06.16`	`blondie`	`building your kernel? sounds like a gentoo idea c.c`
`14:07.28`	`bluechild`	`abrotman, i guess you're right and that's why i didn't expect anything but free will. But if i don't have the ability to build my own kernel how do you expect me to get it if i don't try it ? By a miracle ? No need to be bitter ..`
`14:07.45`	`blondie`	`lol`
`14:07.50`	`abrotman`	`bluechild: also .. it could be a hardware issue .. such as irq sharing`
`14:07.50`	`bizkit`	`well i like the 2.6 preempt model with 1000Hz. it's fun to use a vanilla kernel that's faster than patched 2.4 preempt models, or is there anything i've missed?`
`14:07.56`	`slashdot`	`bluechild: I think kernelnewbies has a bit about it`
`14:08.38`	`bluechild`	`slashdot, i'll check it out :)`
`14:08.52`	`abrotman`	`#kernelnewbies .. i think he menas`
`14:08.54`	`slashdot`	`bluechild: also, feel free to ask at #linuxhelp if you need help.`
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`14:08.59`	`slashdot`	`abrotman: and the website`
`14:09.10`	`abrotman`	`.net? .org?`
`14:09.18`	`slashdot`	`abrotman: .org`
`14:09.21`	`goccias`	`i have a different problem : trying a 2.6.14 :alsaconf unload snd modules and after that it can't find the card`
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`14:10.43`	`abrotman`	`slashdot: i don't need to know ... bluechild does :)`
`14:10.49`	`slashdot`	`hehe...`
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`14:11.01`	`slashdot`	`well, I suppose he can read even if your nick is in front of it ;)`
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`14:11.48`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: hi :)`
`14:11.56`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: Hehe`
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`14:12.01`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`Hello world :)`
`14:12.07`	`blondie`	`HI`
`14:12.16`	`abrotman`	`slashdot: if we're lucky`
`14:12.17`	`bizkit`	`HELLO WORLD`
`14:12.25`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: are you still drunk? :)`
`14:12.30`	`Vlad`	`valdyn: it seems that clamav caused the trouble`
`14:12.36`	`g0th`	`hmm, is there a good documentation about xmodmap around�`
`14:12.43`	`abrotman`	`oh come on guys .. can't you two take it elsewhere ?`
`14:12.45`	`ThePiratemaster`	`should it matter in wich order a script is ran in init or shouldnt it really matter what i fill in as "NN"`
`14:12.48`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: No.... why do you ask me?`
`14:12.57`	`g0th`	`how do i reload everything`
`14:13.06`	`slashdot`	`ThePiratemaster: apache obviously depends on network to know what to bind to...`
`14:13.09`	`paces`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: 'cause abrotman hates us :)`
`14:13.46`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`paces: I haven't more alcohol :(`
`14:13.52`	`blondie`	`la la`
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`14:15.06`	`ThePiratemaster`	`slashdot, i know absolutely nothing of init and al that besides the tsuff im readign right now in the manuals. and im talking about a masquerading script for iptables. so what does apache got to do with it?`
`14:15.25`	`slashdot`	`after network`
`14:15.45`	`slashdot`	`ThePiratemaster: it has to start after the network connections it should masquerade`
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`14:17.55`	`ThePiratemaster`	`masquerading as in rerouting to another box behind the masquerading box right?`
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`14:18.18`	`coslek_`	`"Mounting local filesystems...failed" during boot-up. What is the likely cause?`
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`14:20.17`	`war92`	`With Debian, how do I see what parameters a .deb was built with?`
`14:20.25`	`war92`	`(that I have installed)`
`14:20.48`	`abrotman`	`you have to get the source package`
`14:21.08`	`war92`	`ok thx.`
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`14:21.53`	`_rene_`	`and then look in debian/rules. That's the package building makefile`
`14:22.04`	`ThePiratemaster`	`slashdot, should i just take the highest number i can pick?`
`14:22.18`	`slashdot`	`ThePiratemaster: no, one after network should be sufficient`
`14:23.00`	`abrotman`	`_rene_: yeah .. i guess i left out the important part :)`
`14:23.34`	`ThePiratemaster`	`is there a config file a osomething where i can see the network services?`
`14:23.58`	`abrotman`	`!tell ThePiratemaster about interfaces`
`14:24.00`	`abrotman`	`that ?`
`14:24.10`	`abrotman`	`ThePiratemaster: /etc/inetd.conf ?`
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`14:25.22`	`bizkit`	`is there a superior syslog daemon than syslogd?`
`14:25.25`	`ThePiratemaster`	`isnt inEt.d something different then inIt.d?`
`14:25.45`	`Dewi`	`yes.`
`14:25.47`	`bizkit`	`ThePiratemaster: inet.d is for network services, init.d for sysvinit scripts`
`14:26.00`	`paulswm`	`dpkg: sing happy birthday asg`
`14:26.04`	`Dewi`	`init = initialisation`
`14:26.06`	`Dewi`	`inet = internet`
`14:26.21`	`abrotman`	`ThePiratemaster: you asked about network services`
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`14:27.07`	`g0th`	`re`
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`14:27.44`	`kspath`	`bizkit: depends on what you mean by superior`
`14:27.45`	`asg`	`bizkit: syslog-ng`
`14:27.47`	`ThePiratemaster`	`abrotman, yea, i want my server to become a router between me modem and 2 other servers`
`14:27.51`	`asg`	`bizkit: fsvo superior`
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`14:28.20`	`abrotman`	`ThePiratemaster: lartc.org and netfilter.org .. go read`
`14:28.30`	`ThePiratemaster`	`tldp.org`
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`14:28.36`	`ThePiratemaster`	`im reading`
`14:28.37`	`g0th`	`I'm trying to get my keyboard working properly, is there some nice documentation about this somewhere? I have a qwertz swiss german keyboard (to be exact hp pavilion zd7000 laptop), for a start I'd like to get the mod1 keys to work correctly (ie, iirc, "at", "comment", "pipe", etc)`
`14:28.50`	`kspath`	`asg:bizkit: syslog-ng is very powerful but if you are pushing resources to the limit syslogd can perform better at least that is what I saw real world`
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`14:29.18`	`asg`	`kspath: agreed, it doesn't handle load well`
`14:29.28`	`g0th`	`before I selected pc105, de_CH in xorg.conf, is there a list with possible values somewhere?`
`14:29.38`	`kspath`	`asg: but the features in syslog-ng are VERY cool`
`14:29.39`	`bizkit`	`especially using * filtering based on message content? :-)`
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`14:30.03`	`asg`	`kspath: yes, being able to tunnel tcp over ssl is quite attractive.`
`14:30.03`	`kspath`	`asg: basic syslogd on fbsd has some cool options but syslog-ng trumps that`
`14:30.04`	`bizkit`	`however, i've no problems with load here.. thanks kspath, asg`
`14:30.13`	`abrotman`	`g0th: dpkg-reconfigure locales ?`
`14:30.13`	`SimonRaven`	`syslog-ng with some tuning can do well`
`14:30.19`	`dreamboat`	`bye all`
`14:30.19`	`g0th`	`(I'm using debian sid, xorg. 6.9, the settings worked for years before the last upgrade (from xorg 6.8.?))`
`14:30.30`	`g0th`	`abrotman: what does it have to do with locales?`
`14:31.05`	`abrotman`	`g0th: which list do you want .. keymaps .. or locales ?`
`14:31.07`	`kspath`	`SimonRaven: YourMileageMayVary`
`14:31.20`	`g0th`	`I don't know how the whole mechanism works`
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`14:31.29`	`SimonRaven`	`kspath: yes`
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`14:31.51`	`g0th`	`actually I'm rather confused, I found _no_ good documentation about how this whole thing works...`
`14:32.00`	`kspath`	`try all the syslogd alts and syslogd see which one have what features try them`
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`14:32.08`	`g0th`	`so I suppose I'm looking for a keymaps list`
`14:32.26`	`linuxnewbieish`	`could someone help me with kismet i dont know why my senao that is less powerful works better than my orinoco gold card???`
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`14:32.29`	`g0th`	`and I don't see why I need to specify locale settings to get correct keys?`
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`14:32.45`	`g0th`	`I mean locales just has to do with languages, not keys, or has it?`
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`14:32.58`	`sussudio_`	`linuxnewbieish: go to #knoppix for your knoppix problems.`
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`14:33.48`	`g0th`	`and do I need to specify de_CH.UTF8 or de_CH ?`
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`14:40.51`	`diana`	`WHen I get a file from a http daemon....and my download is interrupted...is it possible to resume downloading, instead of starting from the beginnign?`
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`14:41.03`	`SimonRaven`	`meh, g0th left`
`14:41.18`	`SimonRaven`	`diana: you can with wget`
`14:41.20`	`kspath`	`abrotman: kspath is still a jobless luser I love how they do not even call me or email me :-)`
`14:41.21`	`troyme`	`diana try wget add -c`
`14:41.41`	`abrotman`	`kspath: at least they don't call you to ask "Did you mean to apply for this job?" :)`
`14:41.59`	`kspath`	`abrotman: yah GOOD point`
`14:42.09`	`abrotman`	`kspath: how long?`
`14:42.20`	`kspath`	`abrotman: over 7 months`
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`14:42.24`	`kspath`	`lol`
`14:42.25`	`abrotman`	`kspath: oh jeez ...`
`14:42.34`	`ludovicus`	`hey a guys, there was a nvidia onliner that i was given by abrotman i think ;), i saved it at another pc at a farway location`
`14:42.37`	`g0th`	`re`
`14:42.56`	`abrotman`	`ludovicus: you blame me?`
`14:43.02`	`ludovicus`	`no man`
`14:43.02`	`abrotman`	`!tell ludovicus about nvidia one-liner`
`14:43.07`	`abrotman`	`ludovicus: that ?`
`14:43.08`	`ludovicus`	`it was awesome`
`14:43.25`	`ludovicus`	`the onliner apt-get install -t sid oneliner`
`14:43.32`	`g0th`	`iirc, to select the correct keyboard I have to set the following options in xorg.conf:`
`14:43.33`	`g0th`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:43.33`	`g0th`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:43.33`	`g0th`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:43.48`	`g0th`	`wtf? 3 lines is flood?`
`14:43.49`	`abrotman`	`g0th: you can't flood here :)`
`14:43.55`	`abrotman`	`g0th: no .. 4 is`
`14:43.58`	`abrotman`	`!paste`
`14:43.59`	`dpkg`	`Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help".`
`14:44.02`	`g0th`	`that was 3 lines ;)(`
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`14:44.09`	`diana`	`That was 4 lines.`
`14:44.13`	`g0th`	`haeh?`
`14:44.17`	`abrotman`	`g0th: it was 4 .. you typed a line before it`
`14:44.23`	`SimonRaven`	`g0th: 1) don't paste here 2) might as well use the UTF-8 one, and set up your system for utf-8. not only useful but loads of fun too`
`14:44.32`	`pa_l`	`i have been banned from ubuntu, why dont they remove the ban? its been like this for a week now`
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`14:44.48`	`abrotman`	`there is some option for X .. where you can set the KB to use the console model`
`14:44.58`	`abrotman`	`g0th: wait .. does the stupid key work at the console ?`
`14:44.59`	`g0th`	`SimonRaven: well I always thought pastes of 4 or less lines were ok, and the paste was only 3 lines`
`14:45.04`	`g0th`	`anyway, sorry`
`14:45.08`	`abrotman`	`g0th: it was 4!!!!!!!!!!!`
`14:45.19`	`asg`	`pa_l: you can air your concerns in #freenode`
`14:45.22`	`abrotman`	`g0th: you typed a line .. then pasted .. for a total of 4lines!`
`14:45.37`	`g0th`	`Option "XkbRules" "xorg", Option "XkbModel" "pc105", Option "XkbLayout" "de_CH" <- those are 3?`
`14:45.38`	`g0th`	`anyway`
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`14:45.49`	`abrotman`	`pa_l: and take fearl with you :)`
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`14:45.53`	`g0th`	`sorry again`
`14:45.54`	`diana`	`09:43 < g0th> iirc, to select the correct keyboard I have to set the following options in xorg.conf:`
`14:45.57`	`diana`	`09:43 < g0th> Option "XkbRules" "xorg"`
`14:46.00`	`diana`	`09:43 < g0th> Option "XkbModel" "pc105"`
`14:46.02`	`abrotman`	`g0th: would you like me to explain it?`
`14:46.02`	`diana`	`09:43 < g0th> Option "XkbLayout" "de_CH"`
`14:46.04`	`diana`	`4 lines.`
`14:46.06`	`g0th`	`yeah, but the paste was only 3`
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`14:46.11`	`diana`	`doesn't matter`
`14:46.13`	`abrotman`	`g0th: it was FOUR!`
`14:46.17`	`g0th`	`not the paste`
`14:46.18`	`diana`	`You gave 4 lines in x amount of time.`
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`14:46.28`	`abrotman`	`g0th: four consecutive lines .. too quickly .. gets you kicked .. stop whining!`
`14:46.31`	`g0th`	`or do I get kicked if I write 5 lines? ;)`
`14:46.37`	`kspath`	`I need my own soundtrack and a starbucks can of coffee maybe I will get an interview then I loved that commercial I do not know why`
`14:46.40`	`g0th`	`kkk`
`14:46.43`	`asg`	`g0th: if you do so very quickly, yes`
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`14:47.14`	`g0th`	`anyway, the keys work in the console, only in x not`
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`14:47.45`	`g0th`	`and I'd really like to avoid creating a xmodmap file for my whole keyboard (ie. each single key)`
`14:47.48`	`g0th`	`(manually)`
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`14:48.24`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: you don't need to. you can change only one key.`
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`14:48.40`	`abrotman`	`g0th: iirc .. there's an option you can put in the X config file to have it use the console keymap`
`14:48.43`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: well, all my altgr keys don't work anymore, so I would need to change all`
`14:48.57`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: how many altgr keys do you have?`
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`14:49.06`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: lots of`
`14:49.09`	`abrotman`	`Option "CoreKeyboard" .. maybe`
`14:49.10`	`g0th`	`like 20 or so?`
`14:49.21`	`h3xis`	`does anyone know if the creative zen neeon is compatible with gnomad2 testing?`
`14:49.24`	`SimonRaven`	`eh?`
`14:49.31`	`abrotman`	`canuck!`
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`14:49.56`	`g0th`	`I mean it can't be that I can't select a keyboard that supports my altgr keys, sthg seems to be wrong, so is there any tool besides xkeycaps to test this?`
`14:50.03`	`SimonRaven`	`where?`
`14:50.20`	`paulswm`	`heh`
`14:50.23`	`abrotman`	`oh wait .. that wasn't the option`
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`14:51.02`	`g0th`	`as xkeycaps just behaves strange, it tells me that the "keyboard type" was not specified and that the vendor id string "The X.Org Foundation" is not recognized and then just takes a default one`
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`14:51.38`	`g0th`	`the thing is: I don't even find all entries there, eg. If I select pc105 I don't find any swiss german choice`
`14:51.40`	`g0th`	`only german`
`14:52.11`	`ootput`	`hi guys, what's the equivalent of /etc/modules/alsa (in 2.4) today?`
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`14:52.49`	`kspath`	`I am kinda neutral on the whole keyboard thing :-) /me runs away`
`14:53.21`	`Myon`	`g0th: uh, I guess I need to "port" it to X.org`
`14:53.31`	`goccias`	`g0th: right now i found a old log : 14:18 < goccia> abrotman: keyboard layout in that f* control center : xorg works !! and more : 13:43 < stew> goccia: if you are using xorg from sarge on unstable and the worst thing that broke i`
`14:53.50`	`goccias`	`g0th: i solved in kde control center!`
`14:53.59`	`goccias`	`i know you said gnome`
`14:54.00`	`g0th`	`I use gnome`
`14:54.00`	`abrotman`	`he's using gnome :)`
`14:54.02`	`g0th`	`kk`
`14:54.13`	`abrotman`	`goccias: that must be .. like 6 months old :)`
`14:54.14`	`goccias`	`i know`
`14:54.19`	`g0th`	`maybe there's sthg similar in gnome`
`14:54.21`	`g0th`	`I'll check`
`14:54.22`	`goccias`	`abrotman: exactly :)`
`14:54.30`	`goccias`	`it was stew and you`
`14:54.44`	`abrotman`	`there is a keyboard applet for gnome`
`14:54.49`	`zh`	`.list`
`14:54.58`	`SimonRaven`	`!list`
`14:54.58`	`dpkg`	`one warez list being sent to simonraven@is.a.fucktard.com`
`14:55.05`	`goccias`	`same problem but solved`
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`14:55.12`	`SimonRaven`	`hehe, nice`
`14:55.15`	`abrotman`	`g0th: under Prefernces .. some freak Keyboard applet .. tons of options`
`14:55.20`	`SimonRaven`	`!factinfo list`
`14:55.20`	`dpkg`	`list -- created by za <~za@62.252.236.75> at Wed Aug 14 22:34:06 2002 (1235 days); it has been requested 342 times, last by M00nD0g at Thu Dec 1 06:51:40 2005.`
`14:55.44`	`SimonRaven`	`meh, doesn't have the mod date`
`14:56.04`	`WasF`	`Greetings everybody`
`14:56.34`	`g0th`	`abrotman: yeah, it's basically the same as the entry in xorg.conf`
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`14:56.46`	`ootput`	`hi guys, where do you set up aliases for your sound devices with alsa?`
`14:56.47`	`abrotman`	`g0th: yes .. but many many options`
`14:57.07`	`SimonRaven`	`ootput: /etc/modprobe.d`
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`14:57.15`	`SimonRaven`	`ootput: for 2.6 right?`
`14:57.19`	`ootput`	`yes`
`14:57.24`	`SimonRaven`	`^^`
`14:57.29`	`ootput`	`alsa-base?`
`14:57.37`	`ootput`	`it appears this si what alsaconf generated`
`14:57.40`	`g0th`	`abrotman: hmm, nothing usefull`
`14:58.02`	`g0th`	`all I need is a layout that supports my (like 20) keys of AltGr modifier`
`14:58.11`	`SimonRaven`	`oh, hmm. well 2.6 uses that ^^`
`14:58.25`	`g0th`	`but it seems there is no such layout`
`14:58.26`	`WasF`	`Does somebody here know about a way to regenerate a valid boot sector for a Debien partition ?`
`14:58.37`	`ootput`	`SimonRaven: you _are_ refereing to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, right?`
`14:58.41`	`g0th`	`I just can't believe I have to write my whole keymappings manually from scratch :(((`
`14:58.45`	`SimonRaven`	`yes`
`14:58.45`	`badbloody`	`how can i make that a colored output passed with a pipe to a pager mantain the colours?`
`14:58.49`	`g0th`	`as it worked before very nicely`
`14:59.02`	`ootput`	`badbloody: it'd depend on the pager`
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`14:59.14`	`badbloody`	`what pager mantain colours?`
`14:59.15`	`Staken`	`hi`
`14:59.24`	`ootput`	`most,less,more`
`14:59.32`	`goccias`	`abrotman: --- Log opened Sat Jul 30 13:35:36 2005`
`14:59.35`	`g0th`	`bbl`
`14:59.44`	`abrotman`	`badblody: most of them .. it's an optoin`
`14:59.54`	`abrotman`	`oh .. wrong type of page .. ignore me`
`14:59.56`	`SimonRaven`	`g0th: i don't know exactly what you want, but wouldn't it just be like e.g., altgr-'-e and get é? oh, that's compose, never mind`
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`15:00.25`	`badbloody`	`grep --color=auto foo * \| less <= i execute this and the output is without colours`
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`15:01.26`	`g0th`	`re`
`15:01.30`	`SimonRaven`	`i didn't even grep had a --color option...`
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`15:01.49`	`g0th`	`ok, I gave it up, what I need now is a list of keysums, so I can assign each keysum to the corresponding keycode...`
`15:02.05`	`SimonRaven`	`keysym`
`15:02.13`	`badbloody`	`man grep`
`15:02.40`	`SimonRaven`	`no kidding ;)`
`15:02.42`	`badbloody`	`it colours the part of the text that matchs with the regexp`
`15:02.48`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: try something like xmodmap -e "keycode xxx = AltGr`
`15:02.56`	`goccias`	`of course it is a differen xorg version : back then it was altgr and some kde stuff`
`15:03.07`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: that's fine`
`15:03.14`	`goccias`	`sid xorg in sarge`
`15:03.15`	`SimonRaven`	`oh yes, now a i remember... IIRC it was in red the highlighted part`
`15:03.23`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: the problem is that the all my keycodes look like that:`
`15:03.37`	`g0th`	`keycode ?? = 3 asterics`
`15:03.41`	`g0th`	`ie. no 3rd entry`
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`15:03.50`	`nkuttler`	`ah, i see`
`15:03.55`	`g0th`	`the 3rd entry should be #`
`15:04.01`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh, red`
`15:04.03`	`g0th`	`donno the name for that`
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`15:04.20`	`WasF`	`Does sanyone here know about a way to regenerate a valid boot sector for a Debien partition ?`
`15:04.23`	`Jazon`	`hi all. i can't figure out how to add to the path. I try cleaning my print heads (epson -- escputil) and it says to make sure it is in my path...`
`15:04.34`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: tilde`
`15:04.43`	`mangux_`	`WasF did you lose the partition table?`
`15:05.00`	`g0th`	`isn't that sthg else`
`15:05.07`	`g0th`	`(I can't write it, damn ;)`
`15:05.11`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: ~?`
`15:05.13`	`goccias`	`try gpart and good luck`
`15:05.14`	`g0th`	`yes`
`15:05.20`	`the_mule`	`i recently installed a web server on my box, and it works ok, i get the default page if i use the loopback interface. shouldn't i be able to access the default page from my laptop, which has the same wan ip as my debian box, by trying to load http://[myip]/?`
`15:05.23`	`SimonRaven`	`oh yay, he used 'lose' correctly`
`15:05.50`	`goccias`	`WasF: i know only gpart to get back partition table`
`15:06.11`	`mangux_`	`goccias yea. nice program`
`15:06.26`	`goccias`	`mangux_: gnu rulez :)`
`15:06.29`	`WasF`	`I didn't loose my partition table but got the boot sector corrupted`
`15:06.44`	`mangux_`	`reinstall boot loader`
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`15:06.50`	`mangux_`	`:)`
`15:07.06`	`WasF`	`how ?`
`15:07.09`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: hm, the /usr/share/keymaps/... does not contain the keys?`
`15:07.14`	`Jazon`	`how do i even VIEW the path? i can't find this info??? :s`
`15:07.21`	`mangux_`	`do you use lilo or grub?`
`15:07.27`	`WasF`	`lilo`
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`15:07.54`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: yeah`
`15:08.11`	`g0th`	`that looks ok`
`15:08.17`	`SimonRaven`	`lilo: how do you put up with getting highlighted every time someone mentions the bootloader? (i think i've asked you this before, too, a while back)`
`15:08.37`	`g0th`	`why doesn't it load that on?`
`15:08.42`	`g0th`	`or how do I load that one?`
`15:08.46`	`Boohbah`	`are you just trolling for lilo, or is he here?`
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`15:09.15`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: hm? the keys are there?`
`15:09.18`	`g0th`	`orafu: what does it load when I write:`
`15:09.23`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: yes`
`15:09.29`	`nkuttler`	`odd`
`15:09.32`	`g0th`	`s/orafu/or/`
`15:09.33`	`kimo`	`I am looking for a complete open VideoConference solution based on Linux. Don't care much about interoperating with Windows. Any cliner/server recommendations?`
`15:09.35`	`g0th`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:09.36`	`g0th`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:09.36`	`g0th`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:09.49`	`g0th`	`this setting doesn't seem to load that file, so what does it load?`
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`15:10.41`	`mangux_`	`WasF hope this article to be helful http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lilo.htm`
`15:10.52`	`mangux_`	`helpful`
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`15:13.08`	`goccias`	`i cant' believe gnome is less then kde : kde controlcenter > accessibility>xkb options > tons ... _ i do not mean peripherals > keyboard but accessibility or what is called in gnome`
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`15:13.26`	`WasF`	`Thanks mangux, but that article does not explain how to regenerate a valid boot sector !`
`15:13.37`	`pa_l`	`hi is there a .wma player for linux?`
`15:13.59`	`kimo`	`pa_l, mplayer plays anything`
`15:14.03`	`asg`	`pa_l: /msg dpkg mplayer`
`15:14.09`	`netman1`	`Jazon: /etc/login.defs`
`15:14.24`	`Jazon`	`netman1: thx`
`15:14.29`	`pa_l`	`mplayer plays the song but its jumping to far and lagging like hell`
`15:14.40`	`netman1`	`Jazon: echo $PATH`
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`15:15.19`	`jdhutchin1`	`pa_l, your computer may not be fast enough`
`15:15.34`	`WasF`	`mangux_ : I know how to configure lilo, problem is : I don't have CD player, but I can still boot to W$, is there a way to repair from there ?`
`15:15.39`	`pa_l`	`my computer is fast enough to play a song.`
`15:16.05`	`g0th`	`how do I load the keymap file in /usr/share/keymaps/i386/... under x?`
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`15:16.07`	`nkuttler`	`WasF: google for a grub floppy?`
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`15:16.23`	`jdhutchin1`	`pa_l, video requires a lot more processor power than songs do`
`15:16.27`	`pa_l`	`i just say mplayer Track10.wma on the console and the player plays to fast`
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`15:16.36`	`jdhutchin1`	`does mplayer give you any messages?`
`15:16.57`	`xored`	`i have pop3running on my server. Where are the "accounts" or the`
`15:16.58`	`pa_l`	`jdhutchin1 dont enlighten me i have more than 100 movies on my computer and they play fine`
`15:17.00`	`WasF`	`nkuttler:euh.. no floppy neither !!`
`15:17.11`	`xored`	`i have pop3-server running on my server. Where are the "accounts" or the emails saved to ?`
`15:17.31`	`g0th`	`pa_l: did you try -ao oss?`
`15:17.42`	`pa_l`	`both with vlc, gxine, mplayer, i have played everything from .avi, mpeg, mpg,`
`15:17.49`	`abrotman`	`pa_l: aren't you using knoppix ?`
`15:18.09`	`netman1`	`Hi All. Who considers himself an expert on ssh?`
`15:18.10`	`g0th`	`or -nosound for a start`
`15:18.27`	`abrotman`	`pa_l: you're asking us Ubuntu questions ?`
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`15:18.37`	`pa_l`	`g0th what is -ao oss?`
`15:18.48`	`g0th`	`an option for mplayer`
`15:18.52`	`g0th`	`mplayer -ao oss file.wmv`
`15:18.57`	`abrotman`	`pa_l: you're asking us Ubuntu questions ?`
`15:18.58`	`mangux_`	`pa_l audio ouput oss`
`15:19.06`	`pa_l`	`no iam asking general linux question, mplayer is not just for ubuntu or what`
`15:19.17`	`abrotman`	`pa_l: then please to go to ##linux`
`15:19.21`	`g0th`	`I get that kind of error as well`
`15:19.22`	`abrotman`	`mplayer is not in debian`
`15:19.24`	`goccias`	`ssh ? ahhh forgot my main question : cannot escape typing ~. but pasting "~." : why ?`
`15:19.26`	`g0th`	`It works with -ao oss for me`
`15:19.41`	`g0th`	`hmm, do you get any messages when it is jerky?`
`15:19.48`	`netman1`	`goccias: Can I use the ~/.ssh/config \ ProxyCommand to ssh -t firewallhost ssh client?`
`15:19.51`	`g0th`	`audio messages to be specific`
`15:19.59`	`g0th`	`yeah`
`15:20.05`	`g0th`	`pa_l: ask in mplayer`
`15:20.18`	`g0th`	`#mplayer`
`15:20.33`	`netman1`	`goccias: it's the ssh's escape character, definable in ~/.ssh/config`
`15:20.48`	`goccias`	`netman1: i connect fine but this mornig (2006?) i cannot escape but pastin it`
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`15:21.16`	`g0th`	`so I'm really a bit desperate here, is there a way to put all keymap settings inside an xmodmap such that no matter what I add in the xorg.conf file it will load the correct stuff if I run xmodmap .xmodmaprc?`
`15:21.24`	`netman1`	`goccias: correct, it's built in behaviour.`
`15:21.25`	`goccias`	`if i type ~. i get stuck , if i paste ~. i close my connection`
`15:21.36`	`valdyn`	`g0th: are you using a particular desktop environment?`
`15:21.40`	`g0th`	`To solve my problem I decided to write the xmodmap from scratch, ie. write each key manually`
`15:21.46`	`g0th`	`valdyn: gnome`
`15:21.49`	`goccias`	`typing give me : -bash: ~.: command not found`
`15:21.56`	`goccias`	`wtf :(`
`15:22.01`	`valdyn`	`g0th: ok, why not use gnome's keymap tool?`
`15:22.05`	`g0th`	`hmm`
`15:22.08`	`tam`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:22.08`	`g0th`	`how is it called?`
`15:22.17`	`valdyn`	`g0th: its an applet for your panel`
`15:22.19`	`netman1`	`goccias: Change your ~/.ssh/config EscapeChar`
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`15:22.35`	`goccias`	`No such file or directory`
`15:22.39`	`g0th`	`checking...`
`15:22.52`	`goccias`	`as i said pasting straight from the help is ok`
`15:23.02`	`netman1`	`goccias: then system defaults rule : /etc/ssh/ssh_config`
`15:23.05`	`diana`	`When I do "export PATH=$PATH:~/bin" it works...If I "echo $PATH" it shows ~/bin...but when I close the terminal I typed this command in... $PATH goes back to the way it was.`
`15:23.09`	`SimonRaven`	`tam: why fuck up a good thing?`
`15:23.11`	`diana`	`How can I permanently change $PATH?`
`15:23.18`	`abrotman`	`/etc/profile`
`15:23.28`	`netman1`	`diana : /etc/login.defs`
`15:23.30`	`valdyn`	`!wikifaq diana DotFiles`
`15:23.30`	`dpkg`	`diana: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
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`15:23.48`	`goccias`	`netman1: is : # EscapeChar ~`
`15:23.58`	`tam`	`SimonRaven: huh? i don't wanna update anything i just want to update with security updates. so i was asking if i removed all the repos apart from security.d.o would that be fine`
`15:24.05`	`g0th`	`valdyn: hmm, that didn't help at all`
`15:24.25`	`valdyn`	`g0th: it 'works' but does not fix your altgr?`
`15:24.26`	`g0th`	`first: if I select a different layout than pc105 (which is the xorg.conf setting) I get an error message`
`15:24.32`	`g0th`	`no`
`15:24.32`	`goccias`	`it is wierd : damn`
`15:24.33`	`netman1`	`goccias: It's built in. If you want to change it, remove the # and change the ~ to something else.`
`15:24.35`	`g0th`	`it doesn't work at all`
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`15:24.42`	`g0th`	`I still have the altgr issue`
`15:25.04`	`SimonRaven`	`tam: it won't bother anything to have your stable sources in there`
`15:25.04`	`Laerti_el`	`hello can someone help me how to install the debian 3.1 on my computer`
`15:25.05`	`g0th`	`valdyn: 2nd, I could as well change the settings in xorg.conf, that way it will be used in gnome as well and is more "general"`
`15:25.14`	`goccias`	`netman1: i don't want to change it : i can close the connection only by pasting thenm two chars`
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`15:25.17`	`tam`	`SimonRaven: (i'm running SID)`
`15:25.24`	`Laerti_el`	`hello can someone help me how to install the debian 3.1 on my computer`
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`15:25.39`	`g0th`	`3rd: I don't have all entries in the gnome configuration, in xorg.conf I can type in anything and therefore probably also more options`
`15:25.39`	`mangux_`	`Laerti_el there are lot of documentaion on debian.org`
`15:25.44`	`mangux_`	`about installing debian`
`15:25.50`	`SimonRaven`	`tam: oh, then yeh`
`15:25.53`	`tam`	`SimonRaven: its been perfect since i got it up and running and its not a dev box nor a server of any sort. the use is a media box + ssh for work and just general desktop`
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`15:26.00`	`goccias`	`netman1: could be a keyboard issue , i'm sure i could do it before`
`15:26.11`	`SimonRaven`	`tam: remove security since sid doesn't get them. they go in right away`
`15:26.12`	`netman1`	`goccias: Then you have problem: you want to save the crop and the goat ;-)`
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`15:26.21`	`tam`	`SimonRaven: hence the reason why i was asking would s.d.o be fine just to have in /etc/apt/sources.list`
`15:26.30`	`tam`	`SimonRaven: ahhh, right, cheers buddy`
`15:26.43`	`goccias`	`netman1: i do it as lamer do : i paste :)`
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`15:27.02`	`SimonRaven`	`!eat paste`
`15:27.04`	`Laerti_el`	`mangux sorry but i dont have time to read that things i need to do this work today ive installed the debian 3.1 but i cant see the desktop and the icons`
`15:27.16`	`SimonRaven`	`hehehehe`
`15:27.19`	`g0th`	`so, does anyone know how I can specify the keymap manually (x.org doesn't seem to offer any usefull keymap ???? :() and where I can get a list of keysyms?`
`15:27.22`	`Laerti_el`	`mangux i can see only text`
`15:27.53`	`goccias`	`SimonRaven: my three nutcrackers sai hny to ravenbird`
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`15:27.58`	`goccias`	`y*`
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`15:28.37`	`sussudio_`	`!sw abrotman`
`15:28.37`	`dpkg`	`abrotman: you stats whore!`
`15:28.42`	`abrotman`	`sussudio_: ?`
`15:28.45`	`SimonRaven`	`@say #debian happy new year to goccias' nutcrackers`
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`15:28.53`	`sussudio_`	`abrotman: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb2005.html`
`15:28.55`	`SimonRaven`	`oh, duh`
`15:29.00`	`ootput`	`anybody know how i can address the NO_PUBKEY for marillat's repo?`
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`15:29.04`	`ravenbird`	`Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of simonraven)`
`15:29.06`	`Laerti_el`	`hello can someone help me how to install the debian 3.1 on my computer`
`15:29.15`	`abrotman`	`was it sussudio_ or SimonRaven on about when i passed 100,000 lines ?`
`15:29.18`	`SimonRaven`	`@say #debian happy new year to goccias' nutcrackers`
`15:29.20`	`ravenbird`	`happy new year to goccias' nutcrackers`
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`15:29.29`	`goccias`	`ravenbird: :)`
`15:29.29`	`ravenbird`	`well, ) is the smile part of a face.`
`15:29.30`	`mangux_`	`Laerti_el http://www.nic-nac-project.de/~psilo/desktop_sarge/quick_start_guide.html`
`15:29.36`	`kspath`	`deja vu all over again`
`15:29.54`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: it was you ?`
`15:30.00`	`ootput`	`anybody here using mplayer?`
`15:30.03`	`sussudio_`	`oh yeah, i'm not going to bloody merge nicks again. it takes 45 minutes to run stats for a year.`
`15:30.09`	`d4rk_box`	`i use the mplayer`
`15:30.18`	`abrotman`	`sussudio_: maybe i should talk less :)`
`15:30.27`	`sussudio_`	`:-P`
`15:30.30`	`ootput`	`d4rk_box: how did you go about retrieving it?`
`15:30.39`	`goccias`	`ootput: only for medical purposes`
`15:30.47`	`abrotman`	`sussudio_: you know what's sad .. is greycat left .. what .. in september? .. and he still had that many lines :)`
`15:30.53`	`SimonRaven`	`abrotman: what are you talking about?`
`15:31.00`	`g0th`	`anyone?`
`15:31.05`	`ootput`	`goccias: oh, nurses and latex?`
`15:31.08`	`SimonRaven`	`oh, that`
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`15:31.12`	`Guerin`	`!gothsmite g0th`
`15:31.14`	`goccias`	`ootput: pr0n ?`
`15:31.18`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: i can't remember if it was your or sussudio_ that was counting to when i would speak 100,000 lines`
`15:31.39`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: anywys .. i guess don reset the numbers :)`
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`15:32.14`	`asg`	`Guerin: make it sing "Friday I'm in Love" :p`
`15:32.26`	`mangux_`	`asg cool song`
`15:32.27`	`ootput`	`goccias: how did you install it?`
`15:32.32`	`Guerin`	`asg: don't want to break it, come on.`
`15:32.39`	`SimonRaven`	`abrotman: sussudio_`
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`15:32.50`	`goccias`	`easy : i told apt to rob marillat`
`15:32.57`	`abrotman`	`sussudio_: ok .. fine .. SimonRaven says it was you .. i guess don reset all the line counting in dpkg`
`15:32.58`	`goccias`	`very easy`
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`15:33.16`	`asg`	`Guerin: then make apt or ravenbird do it :)`
`15:33.35`	`ootput`	`goccias: and you don't get any errors when updating apt-get with marillat in your sources.lst?`
`15:33.41`	`goccias`	`ootput: there was some upgrade lately , i think yesterday or thge day before`
`15:33.56`	`Guerin`	`asg: no ... I mean ... making the bot sing crap songs might cause it to bust a spring or something`
`15:34.05`	`goccias`	`ootput: no errors : i run sarge and i have a nice life :)`
`15:34.14`	`asg`	`Guerin: I'm sure don would love that`
`15:34.16`	`SimonRaven`	`abrotman: oh, maybe i did and i don't remember`
`15:34.25`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: make up my mind!`
`15:35.01`	`kspath`	`too funny`
`15:35.30`	`d4rk_box`	`ootput: sorry for the delay, I googled it and downloaded the source, then compiled it.`
`15:35.37`	`SimonRaven`	`abrotman: make: target 'mind' not found. stop.`
`15:37.06`	`xored`	`Iam using pop3 to get emails. Somehow today i cannot login anymore. This is only the fact for some users, not for all. They all can send mails but cannot recieve. What could be the error and which logs to check ?`
`15:37.18`	`SimonRaven`	`abrotman: don't feel sore`
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`15:38.07`	`goccias`	`abrotman: wear your umbrella-hat and be horny :)`
`15:38.12`	`g0th`	`ouff, I tried to solve that issue for 2 days now and also found similar problems on the net, but each time without a solution, heh :(`
`15:38.39`	`abrotman`	`goccias: i have to be horny ?`
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`15:38.59`	`goccias`	`abrotman: this year YES!`
`15:39.04`	`abrotman`	`oh ok`
`15:39.16`	`goccias`	`ends with sex ...`
`15:39.17`	`bizkit`	`is there a suggested howto on switching debian to use UTF-8?`
`15:39.30`	`nmsa`	`Q: how can I startup auto pppoe ? adsl doens't come up unless I login and pon dsl-provider`
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`15:39.36`	`Guerin`	`bizkit: dpkg-reconfigure locales; done`
`15:39.44`	`nmsa`	`I also want to run some iptables scripts @ boot ?! how can I do that ?`
`15:39.57`	`abrotman`	`nmsa: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/*`
`15:39.59`	`SimonRaven`	`bizkit: utf-8 howto`
`15:40.02`	`Guerin`	`nmsa: put it in an 'up' statement in interfaces`
`15:40.07`	`SlayerXP`	`nmsa: use /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh`
`15:40.08`	`Guerin`	`nmsa: man interfaces for details`
`15:40.17`	`bizkit`	`Guerin: well i just want to switch to UTF-8 for my accountm not system-wide`
`15:40.21`	`bizkit`	`SimonRaven: thank you`
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`15:41.12`	`odla`	`tarzeau: b-n-b?`
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`15:42.29`	`faken`	`hi`
`15:42.38`	`tarzeau`	`odla: i'm on holidays...`
`15:42.46`	`tarzeau`	`odla: when it's packaged, i'll play it`
`15:44.53`	`odla`	`tarzeau: sounds good`
`15:46.54`	`faken`	`i want to install xorg is there any backport for it because deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main`
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`15:46.58`	`faken`	`is unavailable`
`15:47.20`	`ootput`	`d4rk_box: manually building it via http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.php gives me an error`
`15:47.35`	`d4rk_box`	`oh...`
`15:47.40`	`ootput`	`apparently my gcc verrsion is detected to be 4.0.3`
`15:47.45`	`d4rk_box`	`i assume you is the running the debian?`
`15:47.51`	`ootput`	`yes`
`15:48.01`	`d4rk_box`	`well... apt-get install mplayer SHOULD work`
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`15:48.16`	`fdeutsche`	`Good Afternoon`
`15:48.26`	`kspath`	`or morning morgan`
`15:48.38`	`kspath`	`or night`
`15:48.44`	`fdeutsche`	`How I install winmodem lucent v.90 in the debian sarge using kernel 2.6.8-2`
`15:48.44`	`kspath`	`lol`
`15:48.58`	`ootput`	`d4rk_box: it isn't available, but is referred to by another package`
`15:49.07`	`bpowell`	`faken: have you tried backports.org?`
`15:49.23`	`g0th`	`can someone at least tell me where I find a keysym table? /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h has some names but not the corresponding symbols`
`15:49.25`	`fdeutsche`	`kspath heh, Where I am is in the afternoon hehe (I am in the Brasil)`
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`15:49.39`	`faken`	`thx bpowell for your help but i found a solution for this problem`
`15:49.39`	`goccias`	`ootput: it is called mplayer-586`
`15:49.40`	`paulswm`	`ootput: I use mplayer from marillat because all the codecs are there also...`
`15:49.44`	`paulswm`	`!marillat`
`15:49.44`	`dpkg`	`i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>`
`15:49.50`	`kspath`	`winmodem~=evil ?`
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`15:50.05`	`ootput`	`!marillat key`
`15:50.05`	`dpkg`	`If you are using apt > 0.6, and it's complaining about missing marillat's key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.`
`15:50.19`	`ootput`	`!apt-key 1F41B907`
`15:50.19`	`dpkg`	`gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 \| sudo apt-key add -;`
`15:50.19`	`goccias`	`is removing libpostproc0`
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`15:50.40`	`odla`	`ootput: please pm dpkg`
`15:50.49`	`ootput`	`fantastic, thanks paulswm. i've been googling all over for his pubkey`
`15:50.51`	`fdeutsche`	`kspath yes, more I dont other modem`
`15:51.02`	`paulswm`	`ootput: :)`
`15:51.05`	`d4rk_box`	`ootput: you can try sid and seeing if there is a package there that works, otherwise, you need to get the compiling happy`
`15:51.22`	`ootput`	`d4rk_box: compiling was a last resort :)`
`15:51.29`	`ootput`	`absolute last`
`15:51.38`	`goccias`	`yehhhhhhhh`
`15:51.43`	`paulswm`	`ootput: makes it easy, just adding marillat to the sources`
`15:51.55`	`macuserondope`	`Happy new year all to gether !`
`15:52.13`	`d4rk_box`	`well ootput, i think you need to have fun getting gcc and make happy`
`15:52.15`	`paulswm`	`Anyway, happy new year, you bunch on non-MS-using reprobates and l33t5 :P`
`15:52.19`	`paulswm`	`s/on/of/`
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`15:53.07`	`g0th`	`common, I'm already on this problem for about 30 hours, can nobody help me here?`
`15:53.09`	`SimonRaven`	`winmodem + linux == not workie most of the time. it's software only, and winblows, so yes, evil`
`15:53.27`	`SimonRaven`	`same goes for the "modems" on ibooks and powerbooks`
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`15:53.51`	`d4rk_box`	`the reality is, that most modern unix systems dont like modems`
`15:53.55`	`g0th`	`It's ok for me to use xmodmap and write the my whole keyboard keycode table manually, but for that I need to know the keysym names (and their symbol)`
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`15:54.25`	`asg`	`g0th: use xev`
`15:54.30`	`ootput`	`xevxev`
`15:54.43`	`g0th`	`asg: once I start xev, I can't stop it anymore`
`15:54.49`	`g0th`	`and I need to restart x`
`15:55.01`	`ootput`	`^C in the terminal window`
`15:55.02`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: start it from a terminal, ctrl-c it`
`15:55.05`	`asg`	`g0th: what? start it in a terminal. Click terminal window, ^C`
`15:55.08`	`g0th`	`doesn't work`
`15:55.16`	`g0th`	`it just hits enter`
`15:55.19`	`g0th`	`after I start it`
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`15:55.30`	`asg`	`g0th: then open another terminal and kill it or run xkill and kill the window`
`15:55.32`	`g0th`	`if I eg. open another console it will always "echo new lines"`
`15:55.39`	`g0th`	`how can I kill it? ;)`
`15:55.42`	`ootput`	`g0th: asg+`
`15:55.49`	`asg`	`g0th: try xkill`
`15:55.52`	`g0th`	`if I can't enter "kill"`
`15:55.56`	`g0th`	`hmm ok I try again`
`15:56.05`	`g0th`	`but I'm pretty sure I need to restart x`
`15:56.12`	`Eclipser`	`nah you don't :p`
`15:56.22`	`ootput`	`you need to figure out why ^C doesn't work`
`15:56.25`	`g0th`	`hmm`
`15:56.30`	`g0th`	`nah, this time it worked :)))`
`15:56.32`	`g0th`	`kewl`
`15:56.35`	`g0th`	`donno why though`
`15:56.36`	`ootput`	`:/`
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`15:57.12`	`g0th`	`ok`
`15:57.15`	`g0th`	`but that didn't help`
`15:57.20`	`g0th`	`that just gives me the keycodes`
`15:57.23`	`g0th`	`I want the names`
`15:57.30`	`g0th`	`so I can create my own keyboard table`
`15:57.42`	`Eclipser`	`there's keysym too?`
`15:57.51`	`g0th`	`keysym?`
`15:57.57`	`g0th`	`is that a package?`
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`15:58.05`	`ootput`	`marillate doesn't offer a k7 build? would k6 be closest in optimization?`
`15:58.07`	`ootput`	`or 586?`
`15:58.31`	`g0th`	`well it isn't ;9`
`15:58.35`	`Eclipser`	`ootput, I thnk they're all metapackages linked to -386 :)`
`15:58.40`	`g0th`	`what do you mean by "keysym"?`
`15:58.47`	`ootput`	`Eclipser: ..`
`15:59.31`	`tuomas_`	`Hi. I have a problem, how to exit x server completely? I need to install nvidia drivers and i cant do it when x server is running.`
`16:00.00`	`Eclipser`	`tuomas_, ctrl+alt+F1 to go to console and kill gdm, kdm or xdm or whatever you're running`
`16:00.01`	`goccias`	`g0th: xev will give you keycodes and names : state 0x90, keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift)`
`16:00.06`	`g0th`	`eg. what's the name for "#" ?`
`16:00.08`	`ootput`	`tuomas_: 3 finger salute`
`16:00.10`	`Eulex`	`tuomas_, kill it. or if you're using a display manager, kill the display manager.`
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`16:00.19`	`ootput`	`tuomas_: with backspace in place of delete`
`16:00.27`	`nmsa`	`Guerin: I have three lines for pppoe in interfaces: autodsl-privider; iface dsl-provider inet ppp and provider dsl-providerr, where should I put up statement ? on the third ine ?`
`16:00.39`	`g0th`	`yeah, but the names are wrong`
`16:00.45`	`nmsa`	`s/ine/line`
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`16:00.51`	`g0th`	`that's why I want to change it to begin with ;))`
`16:01.24`	`g0th`	`e.g. I'd like to create my own keymap as x.org doesn't have any key layout I can use`
`16:01.33`	`goccias`	`g0th: you should find a german keyboard applet`
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`16:01.38`	`tuomas_`	`Still compalins about x server`
`16:01.47`	`g0th`	`I have that`
`16:01.53`	`g0th`	`but it's wrong`
`16:01.57`	`g0th`	`I can't use my altGr key`
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`16:02.14`	`Eclipser`	`tuomas_, ps -e and kill the apps which are x server related :)`
`16:02.19`	`g0th`	`I tested all possible layouts`
`16:02.22`	`g0th`	`none worked`
`16:02.25`	`goccias`	`g0th: pressing both alt and gr ?`
`16:02.31`	`g0th`	`doesn't work`
`16:02.37`	`g0th`	`it's simple:`
`16:02.40`	`goccias`	`so it is really f*`
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`16:02.55`	`g0th`	`xmodmap -pke shows: keycode 12 = 3 asterisk`
`16:02.59`	`g0th`	`I need there:`
`16:03.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 700] by debhelper`
`16:03.14`	`g0th`	`keycode 12 = 3 asterisk "name for #"`
`16:03.27`	`g0th`	`and this for all keys`
`16:03.33`	`g0th`	`it's about 60 keys that are incomplete`
`16:03.44`	`goccias`	`i have an ibm 142 usa keyboard next door : @ is on Q key`
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`16:04.20`	`g0th`	`now what I need are the names to the corresponding symbols`
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`16:04.43`	`g0th`	`e.g. the name for "#" so that I can enter it in my xmodmap`
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`16:05.05`	`goccias`	`g0th: a knoppix cd should tell you for sure , german iirc is default`
`16:05.14`	`typo`	`this rule: "RewriteRule "(.*)\.php$" "http://www.pedrocr.net/$1" [L,R]" seems to cause infinite recursion, anyone know why?`
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`16:05.55`	`typo`	`I'm trying to redirect every URL ending with .php to one that doesn't end with .php. "/foo.php"->"/foo"`
`16:06.09`	`g0th`	`german is wrong`
`16:06.12`	`g0th`	`I need swiss german`
`16:06.23`	`g0th`	`but anyway, I might try`
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`16:06.36`	`sdakota`	`!iirc`
`16:06.36`	`dpkg`	`IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"`
`16:06.41`	`sdakota`	`thanks, dpkg`
`16:06.41`	`pwned`	`I have a globespanvirata chipset adsl usb modem, where do I learn things like when this thing is going to work out of the box with debian?`
`16:06.42`	`g0th`	`another problem is that I use hotkeys for some multimedia keys and when I use xmodmap they don't work anymore`
`16:07.02`	`g0th`	`so basically my whole system is f****d with this`
`16:07.07`	`goccias`	`hahah you remind me of a fellow which brouth me a useless french-canadian keyboard . i asked for a usa :)`
`16:07.47`	`pawdro`	`does anyone know how to speed up Xorg 6.9 with riva tnt2 card, 'cause gnome now is slower than using xfree86`
`16:08.14`	`pawdro`	`whats the matter?`
`16:08.27`	`typo`	`ah, it's MultiViews doing it's thing`
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`16:08.54`	`goccias`	`g0th: swiss ? did you ask tarzeau ?`
`16:09.00`	`en1gma`	`hi all and happy new year`
`16:09.02`	`typo`	`anyone know a rewrite rule to convert /foo into /foo.php if /foo doesn't exist and /foo.php does?`
`16:09.06`	`pawdro`	`typo: u talking to me?`
`16:09.16`	`typo`	`pawdro: no`
`16:09.37`	`en1gma`	`i got a couple questions about debian-amd64 if you all dont mind (but my Qs are geared more towards just "debian")`
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`16:10.23`	`g0th`	`cy_: trying right now...`
`16:10.38`	`ootput`	`does anybody else get a lot of garbage during bootup?`
`16:10.46`	`AciD`	`en1gma > don't ask to ask`
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`16:11.06`	`ootput`	`i'd like to sanitize it, but i don't know where to start. I can't find logfiles of the messges (such as module loading, service starts etc.)`
`16:11.18`	`yang`	`en1gma: /j debian-amd64`
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`16:12.41`	`micahf`	`hey so does anyone have an idea as to why when I try to run shell scripts with sudo it just says "command not found" ?`
`16:12.56`	`en1gma`	`i just dloaded the debian-amd64 dvd iso. now im gonna copy the dvd iso (files) to a spot on my 2nd physical hd = hdc1. now i want to rsync to (current) but i dont think its called current it might be called "unstable" but i cant figure out the path i would copy my debian-amd64 dvd iso files too (the location for my local repository that im gonna update to "unstable") AND the location (path) to the unstable files that i would setup rsync for`
`16:13.02`	`en1gma`	`can someone help`
`16:13.13`	`en1gma`	`and im already in debian-amd64 its just a bit slow in there`
`16:13.15`	`abrotman`	`en1gma: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't`
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`16:13.24`	`g0th`	`re`
`16:13.30`	`g0th`	`it didn't work`
`16:13.31`	`g0th`	`:(`
`16:13.36`	`g0th`	`still no altgr key`
`16:13.40`	`abrotman`	`still?!?!!?`
`16:14.05`	`bbrazil`	`micahf: probably a PATH problem`
`16:14.06`	`micahf`	`man, what the heck is "command not found" supposed to mean!?`
`16:14.12`	`micahf`	`a path problem?`
`16:14.12`	`en1gma`	`basiacally what im asking is how would i setup the path on my hdc1 for rsync to update my files`
`16:14.13`	`micahf`	`hmm`
`16:14.18`	`micahf`	`bbrazil, how so?`
`16:14.35`	`en1gma`	`and the path to an ftp for unstable files would be?`
`16:14.40`	`abrotman`	`en1gma: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't`
`16:14.43`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: hm, why don't you downgrade x?`
`16:14.51`	`en1gma`	`is abortman a bot?`
`16:14.51`	`bbrazil`	`micahf: if its something in your ~/bin that you're trying to run as root without a full path, it won't work`
`16:15.01`	`abrotman`	`en1gma: what's my name?`
`16:15.01`	`micahf`	`bbrazil, but it's not`
`16:15.13`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: hmm, ok`
`16:15.13`	`en1gma`	`abOrtman`
`16:15.16`	`micahf`	`bbrazil, it's on my desktop and I'm running with the full path`
`16:15.17`	`en1gma`	`:)`
`16:15.18`	`abrotman`	`en1gma: what's my name?`
`16:15.20`	`g0th`	`nkuttler: how do I do that btw?`
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`16:15.27`	`micahf`	`bbrazil, and I'm CD'd to the path`
`16:15.28`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: /msg dpkg snapshot`
`16:15.31`	`en1gma`	`u sure know how to use ur up arrow`
`16:15.40`	`tuomas_`	`That kill thing doesnt work`
`16:15.45`	`abrotman`	`!tell en1gma about u`
`16:15.51`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: might involve some dpkg -i --force-foo`
`16:15.56`	`g0th`	`aso`
`16:15.56`	`en1gma`	`!tell abortman about u`
`16:16.00`	`g0th`	`and this for all packages?`
`16:16.01`	`g0th`	`ok`
`16:16.11`	`en1gma`	`!tell abrotman about u`
`16:16.14`	`abrotman`	`tard`
`16:16.16`	`bbrazil`	`micahf: put 'set -x' at the start of the script (assumes bash)`
`16:16.41`	`micahf`	`set -x?`
`16:16.44`	`micahf`	`ok, cool`
`16:16.58`	`bbrazil`	`micahf: enables tracing.`
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`16:17.00`	`en1gma`	`i just trying to get debian installed figure you all could give me a couple pointers on it`
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`16:17.20`	`abrotman`	`en1gma: if you need to ask how to use unstable you shouldn't be using it`
`16:17.21`	`nkuttler`	`en1gma: read the install guide?`
`16:17.31`	`yang`	`en1gma: why don't you read installation manual, there are some good hints, you might want to know`
`16:17.39`	`en1gma`	`i been using slackware current for 5 years`
`16:17.45`	`en1gma`	`i just dont know how debian system works`
`16:17.53`	`jbroome`	`so you're a masochist?`
`16:18.03`	`micahf`	`aw man, it says the encoding can't be found`
`16:18.11`	`en1gma`	`i just want the paths i not asking you to install it`
`16:18.19`	`en1gma`	`cant even get a path in here`
`16:18.21`	`en1gma`	`omg`
`16:18.25`	`abrotman`	`!sid upgrade`
`16:18.25`	`dpkg`	`Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead.`
`16:18.41`	`tarzeau`	`they shouldn't use testing either`
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`16:18.44`	`en1gma`	`!unstable upgrade`
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`16:19.27`	`doubletwist`	`So uh, what happened with Xorg? I did an update [ustable] upon my return from vacation and now my scroll and side buttons don't work anymore.`
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`16:20.10`	`morgane`	`hi, i just upgraded my x server i had to tweak the configuration for my media keyboard, and now i have no more uppercase letters, i have the following message in my xorg log :`
`16:20.18`	`morgane`	`(EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap`
`16:20.18`	`doubletwist`	`I change ZAxisMapping back to "4 5" and the scroll works but no side buttons.`
`16:20.20`	`nkuttler`	`...`
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`16:20.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`Is posible to this are a frequent question but... how to set the composite options (real transparencies and shadows) on the xorg of debian ? (etch)`
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`16:21.35`	`doubletwist`	`Did xorg decide to start ignoring imwheel or what?`
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`16:21.50`	`yang`	`I requested a login for the translation of the debian websites, but nobody has answered me, does anyone know who reads those emails?`
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`16:22.03`	`en1gma`	`doubletwist do you have it set to imps/2`
`16:22.34`	`HugLeo`	`alguem daqui tambem esta no debian-br?`
`16:22.36`	`yang`	`doubletwist: nope`
`16:22.43`	`pa_l`	`i give up`
`16:22.45`	`doubletwist`	`en1gma No I had to use the Ubuntu instructions and set it to ExplorerPS/2 to get it to use the side buttons [before this update]`
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`16:23.01`	`goccias`	`the fifth horseman of the apocalypse arrived : b0rked_keyboard !`
`16:23.09`	`en1gma`	`doubletwist ExplorerPS/2 is prob most correct but i would try imps/2`
`16:23.12`	`abrotman`	`pa_l: you're not even using debian`
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`16:23.35`	`en1gma`	`set it to /dev/input/mice also`
`16:23.40`	`en1gma`	`not /dev/mouse`
`16:23.42`	`morgane`	`goccias: yes, i want to shout my despair but i cannot`
`16:23.51`	`morgane`	`i cannot shout anymore`
`16:24.21`	`goccias`	`morgane: tell me you are from Vienna and i'll get my hand cuffs out :)`
`16:24.26`	`pa_l`	`wrong channel`
`16:25.33`	`morgane`	`goccias: well if you think i am a girl, i have to tell you the awful truth i am logged with my girlfriend account, as my password contains uppercase letters`
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`16:26.59`	`nkuttler`	`morgane: ctrl-alt-f1, change password`
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`16:27.11`	`krikke`	`hello`
`16:27.25`	`krikke`	`i'm running debian on a old P1 233mhz, 32mb memory`
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`16:27.39`	`krikke`	`when trying to run Xorg, the display crashes`
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`16:27.45`	`krikke`	`even on 640*480`
`16:27.47`	`goccias`	`morgane: what about the "Vienna" part ? wrong ?`
`16:27.53`	`krikke`	`can this be caused by the memory?`
`16:27.54`	`morgane`	`nkuttler: ctrl-alt-f1 does not work anymore !`
`16:28.05`	`abrotman`	`krikke: i bet it does :)`
`16:28.08`	`krikke`	`shit`
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`16:28.22`	`krikke`	`why does it :(`
`16:28.27`	`krikke`	`can't it just run on swap?`
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`16:28.29`	`nkuttler`	`morgane: i guess you could still boot with init=/bin/bash`
`16:28.36`	`morgane`	`or with init 3`
`16:28.37`	`benjamindees`	`krikke, how are you running xorg? gnome?`
`16:28.40`	`krikke`	`no`
`16:28.42`	`krikke`	`just`
`16:28.46`	`krikke`	`apt-get install xserver-xorg`
`16:28.48`	`nayyares`	`i am trying to configure wine on a dual boot linux/windows system, but the C: drive of windows is NTFS, is there any way i can convert NTFS to FAT32?`
`16:28.48`	`kspath`	`wow, so many commands I formerly had to install by hand are in base/minimal install very cool`
`16:28.49`	`krikke`	`and then Xorg :)`
`16:28.50`	`morgane`	`anywat for now i need to fix that first`
`16:29.12`	`morgane`	`goccias: wrong, paris`
`16:29.13`	`benjamindees`	`krikke, try startx`
`16:29.17`	`krikke`	`ok sex`
`16:29.18`	`krikke`	`shit`
`16:29.21`	`krikke`	`sec :P`
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`16:30.10`	`goccias`	`morgane: does'n matter : happy new year to you :)`
`16:30.33`	`krikke`	`strange`
`16:30.37`	`morgane`	`thanks`
`16:30.39`	`krikke`	`the display goes on, off, on off`
`16:30.41`	`bk`	`How to auto mount /dev/hda3 to /media/windows at startup? I added line in /etc/fstab but still there is no auto mount?`
`16:30.43`	`krikke`	`freaks like hell :S`
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`16:31.01`	`doubletwist`	`Nope setting it to IMPS/2 did nothing [and it has always been set to /dev/input/mice]`
`16:31.21`	`benjamindees`	`krikke, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
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`16:31.24`	`krikke`	`ok sec`
`16:31.58`	`Unity`	`does lp or lpr support prtintitg pdf's? if not, how can i print pdf's on the command line while boing able to specify a lot of options like toner saver and dpi, and toner density?`
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`16:32.10`	`bk`	`How to auto mount /dev/hda3 to /media/windows at startup? I added line in /etc/fstab but still there is no auto mount?`
`16:32.33`	`bobbens`	`bk: you using auto as one of the options?`
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`16:32.41`	`faken`	`re`
`16:32.47`	`bk`	`bobbens, no`
`16:32.49`	`nayyares`	`bk, paste that line here?`
`16:32.53`	`blondie`	`pa_l: you're surprised you got banned from #ubuntu?`
`16:32.55`	`bk`	`nayyares, k`
`16:33.07`	`faken`	`is debian-desktop.org down ?`
`16:33.12`	`bobbens`	`bk: i think if you use defaults, it uses auto, otherwise specify auto`
`16:33.22`	`bk`	`nayyares, /dev/hda3 /media/windows ntfs noauto,users,ro,noatime,umask=0222 0 0`
`16:33.34`	`valdyn`	`!lose bk`
`16:33.34`	`dpkg`	`bk: You Lose.`
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`16:33.52`	`bk`	`valdyn, you can help too :P`
`16:33.56`	`nkuttler`	`bk: did you ever _read_ that line?`
`16:33.56`	`bobbens`	`bk: you notice there is an option called noauto, and you should be using auto?`
`16:33.58`	`ootput`	`what do you guys use to change your gtk2 themes?`
`16:33.59`	`benjamindees`	`yang, try posting to debian-www@lists.debian.org`
`16:34.21`	`nkuttler`	`ootput: iirc there is gtk-theme-switch or something similar`
`16:34.23`	`valdyn`	`ootput: gnome-theme-manager`
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`16:34.37`	`bk`	`nkuttler, i thought there must be turned on in kernel to have auto in fstab line?`
`16:34.45`	`lemsto`	`hi there :D`
`16:34.47`	`ootput`	`what if gnome isn't in the picture?`
`16:34.54`	`ootput`	`nkuttler: that's gtk1 only, it seems :(`
`16:34.57`	`valdyn`	`bk: change noauto to auto`
`16:34.59`	`valdyn`	`ootput: no`
`16:35.00`	`goccias`	`qt somusuch gtk2`
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`16:35.06`	`bk`	`valdyn, i did ... tnx ...brb reboot`
`16:35.07`	`bk`	`;)`
`16:35.40`	`nkuttler`	`ootput: apt-cache show gtk-theme-switch`
`16:35.42`	`valdyn`	`ootput: gtk-theme-switch ( the package ) contains gtk-theme-switch2 or somesuch`
`16:36.01`	`ootput`	`oh`
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`16:36.09`	`lemsto`	`i'd like to know if there's a way to switch from etch/x86 to etch/amd64 with a dist-upgrade, or am i obliged to reinstall?`
`16:36.14`	`krikke`	`nope`
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`16:36.18`	`valdyn`	`lemsto: reinstall`
`16:36.27`	`krikke`	`xorg doesn't want to run :(`
`16:36.30`	`krikke`	`display goes off`
`16:36.30`	`valdyn`	`krikke: so be nice to it`
`16:36.40`	`krikke`	`yeah`
`16:36.45`	`krikke`	`but ehm`
`16:36.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`Is posible to this are a frequent question but... how to set the composite options (real transparencies and shadows) on the xorg of debian ? (etch)`
`16:36.52`	`ootput`	`how about fontsizes in those gtk2 themes?`
`16:36.54`	`valdyn`	`!drxx krikke`
`16:36.54`	`dpkg`	`krikke: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`16:36.56`	`ootput`	`valdyn: thanks mate`
`16:36.57`	`lemsto`	`valdyn, in wich conf file the archi is stored?`
`16:37.05`	`krikke`	`yeah I know`
`16:37.08`	`valdyn`	`krikke: ^^^ . and try using conservative values for your display`
`16:37.08`	`krikke`	`didn't solve`
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`16:37.31`	`krikke`	`800*600 is alright I think`
`16:37.33`	`valdyn`	`lemsto: no idea`
`16:37.34`	`krikke`	`@60 hz`
`16:37.46`	`krikke`	`the system just freaks like hell when I run xorg`
`16:37.54`	`valdyn`	`lemsto: probably nowhere`
`16:37.58`	`krikke`	`can't it be the problem of 32mb ram memory`
`16:38.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`heh, no any person has tried to use composite ?`
`16:38.20`	`valdyn`	`krikke: which driver are you using on which gfx card?`
`16:38.27`	`krikke`	`sec`
`16:38.28`	`lemsto`	`valdyn, k thx`
`16:38.29`	`krikke`	`I have a S3`
`16:38.32`	`valdyn`	`Thanatermesis: there's many howtos around`
`16:38.36`	`krikke`	`give you the number in a few seconds, wait`
`16:38.44`	`kspath`	`mrxvt is very cool`
`16:38.53`	`valdyn`	`krikke: s3 is enough`
`16:39.01`	`krikke`	`s3 inc. 86c775/86c785`
`16:39.06`	`valdyn`	`krikke: try the vesa driver, i dont know details about s3`
`16:39.11`	`krikke`	`ok`
`16:39.13`	`krikke`	`xorgconfig then`
`16:39.26`	`asg`	`valdyn: iirc, some s3 chipsets that were supported by X v.3 are no longer supported in X v.4`
`16:39.30`	`krikke`	`can't I change a setting without running through all the settings again`
`16:39.35`	`valdyn`	`asg: yea, think so`
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`16:39.50`	`valdyn`	`krikke: why'd you use xorgconfig at all?`
`16:39.53`	`valdyn`	`!drxx krikke`
`16:39.53`	`dpkg`	`krikke: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`16:39.58`	`krikke`	`ok`
`16:40.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`valdyn yes... but i remember to have need to install the "xtransset" or similar package before to xorg are in debian, now, in debian, i don't have this package, i don't know if is posible to use now... or i need to download and compile a part of xorg ?`
`16:40.15`	`benjamindees`	`xorgconfig counts as "by hand" btw`
`16:40.51`	`valdyn`	`Thanatermesis: its not part of xorg, just compile it yourself or try the package from experimental`
`16:41.15`	`krikke`	`when It asks about the multiple video cards option`
`16:41.20`	`goccias`	`ootput: gtk2 fontsizes ? i use a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file with two lines sticked on it : gtk-theme-name="Simple" and gtk-font-name="Sans 12" , must be something better tho`
`16:41.25`	`krikke`	`please enter the video card's bus identifier`
`16:41.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh, not is a part of xorg ? hum.. good, i search about it then, thx :)`
`16:41.27`	`krikke`	`what to enter?`
`16:41.36`	`krikke`	`(I have only 1 video card)`
`16:41.42`	`valdyn`	`krikke: leave it empty`
`16:41.47`	`krikke`	`ok sec`
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`16:41.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`who is the maintainer of dpkg ? dondelelcaro ?`
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`16:41.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`(bot)`
`16:42.04`	`valdyn`	`!who owns you`
`16:42.04`	`dpkg`	`dondelelcaro does`
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`16:42.31`	`strk`	`!who owes you`
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`16:42.44`	`SimonRaven`	`no one`
`16:42.45`	`asg`	`!who pwns you`
`16:42.45`	`dpkg`	`asg`
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`16:43.07`	`doubletwist`	`So I'm the only one who suddenly has a problem with the extra buttons on his intellimouse? :(`
`16:43.10`	`SimonRaven`	`!who owes you is <reply>everyone does`
`16:43.11`	`dpkg`	`okay, SimonRaven`
`16:43.21`	`krikke`	`24bits should work?`
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`16:43.34`	`valdyn`	`krikke: id go for 16 with vesa`
`16:43.34`	`yang`	`hmmm http://lists.debian.org down?`
`16:43.37`	`krikke`	`ok`
`16:43.44`	`ootput`	`goccias: ok`
`16:43.45`	`valdyn`	`krikke: though anything should work`
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`16:44.30`	`krikke`	`awesome`
`16:44.35`	`strk`	`where is g_assert_warning defined ?`
`16:44.35`	`krikke`	`works :D`
`16:44.46`	`SimonRaven`	`!who cuddles you is <reply>apt does`
`16:44.47`	`strk`	`I'm getting undefined refs from debian binay packages (deps broken ?)`
`16:44.47`	`dpkg`	`SimonRaven: okay`
`16:44.49`	`krikke`	`what graphical things can I run on this machine`
`16:44.53`	`krikke`	`32 ram`
`16:44.58`	`doubletwist`	`yang I can't get to lists.debian.org either.`
`16:45.08`	`SimonRaven`	`!no who cuddles you is <reply>$randnick does`
`16:45.09`	`dpkg`	`SimonRaven: okay`
`16:45.14`	`valdyn`	`krikke: oh, 32 mb ram total?`
`16:45.15`	`benjamindees`	`dillo`
`16:45.19`	`krikke`	`yeah`
`16:45.24`	`benjamindees`	`xeyes`
`16:45.30`	`SimonRaven`	`w3m`
`16:45.38`	`valdyn`	`guess dillo already is huge for that`
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`16:46.30`	`strk`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/lie9Gg57.html`
`16:46.33`	`D13GU___`	`the xorg is default in debian now?`
`16:46.43`	`cusco`	`ontesting`
`16:46.43`	`krikke`	`kde/gnome are to heavy ofcourse`
`16:46.54`	`benjamindees`	`D13GU___, in unstable/testing`
`16:46.55`	`D13GU___`	`cusco on testing?`
`16:47.02`	`cusco`	`yea`
`16:47.06`	`D13GU___`	`;(`
`16:47.08`	`krikke`	`what will run then?`
`16:47.19`	`nkuttler`	`krikke: do you know links2? does graphics in framebuffer`
`16:47.28`	`krikke`	`nope don't know that`
`16:47.34`	`krikke`	`but my idea is to run a browser and a chat prog`
`16:47.42`	`benjamindees`	`abiword maybe ?`
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`16:47.51`	`D13GU___`	`the xorg is perfect`
`16:47.54`	`cusco`	`krikke: try xfce or fluxbox or blackbox`
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`16:47.57`	`krikke`	`ok`
`16:48.03`	`krikke`	`btw`
`16:48.04`	`nkuttler`	`krikke: ratpoison`
`16:48.08`	`krikke`	`heh?`
`16:48.09`	`D13GU___`	`in ubuntu for exemple... perfect, no problems...`
`16:48.13`	`odla`	`krikke: icewm`
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`16:48.19`	`cusco`	`D13GU___: in testing as well`
`16:48.21`	`krikke`	`when I enter fluxbox, It says there's no xserver running`
`16:48.25`	`odla`	`D13GU___: or with backports`
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`16:48.51`	`D13GU___`	`yes..`
`16:48.59`	`zinosat`	`I have pbs with utf-8 in gnome-terminal (sarge). can't set utf-8`
`16:49.07`	`odla`	`6.9 is at backports.org`
`16:49.11`	`odla`	`so you can run it on sarge`
`16:49.16`	`bizkit`	`is there a way to start just rxvt-unicode with utf-8? my system is running with latin1`
`16:49.28`	`D13GU___`	`i have problems with xserver`
`16:49.40`	`bizkit`	`fine, specify your problems`
`16:49.53`	`D13GU___`	`video card detection`
`16:50.12`	`krikke`	`hehe`
`16:50.15`	`krikke`	`fluxbox opens`
`16:50.15`	`krikke`	`sec`
`16:50.18`	`krikke`	`i'll brb`
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`16:50.31`	`g0th`	`re`
`16:50.38`	`bizkit`	`LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 urxvt doesn't seem to work, any ideas?`
`16:50.57`	`g0th`	`I can now confirm that the upgrade of x.org from 6.8.2 to 6.9 causes the strange behaviour with the AltGr key`
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`16:51.07`	`g0th`	`so for the time beeing I'll use the old x.org version`
`16:51.18`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: cheers`
`16:51.22`	`g0th`	`but it would be nice to be able to upgrade the x version as well ;)`
`16:51.28`	`kombi`	`is there a console mixer for alsa?`
`16:51.39`	`cahoot`	`alsamixer`
`16:51.42`	`g0th`	`but I'm happy again now I can at least work :)))`
`16:51.59`	`yang`	`doubletwist: maybe lists catch a 2005 bug`
`16:52.12`	`cahoot`	`kombi: or amix if you're handy`
`16:52.12`	`D13GU___`	`how to use transparency on fluxbox?`
`16:52.14`	`nkuttler`	`g0th: just wait and skip the version that doesn't work. put the packages on hold`
`16:52.14`	`g0th`	`is it wise to upgrade only parts of the x packages or should everything come together?`
`16:52.24`	`D13GU___`	`and set font type`
`16:52.26`	`g0th`	`yeah`
`16:52.27`	`kombi`	`cahoot: those do not require a gui?`
`16:52.38`	`g0th`	`I'll try again on the next version`
`16:52.39`	`cahoot`	`kombi: err - amixer`
`16:52.48`	`valdyn`	`g0th: works usually, its 'luck'`
`16:52.59`	`cahoot`	`kombi: alsamixer is some sort of curses thing`
`16:53.02`	`bizkit`	`cahoot: theres also an alsamixer`
`16:53.12`	`D13GU___`	`perfect!! > http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?themes/contrib/rj_daft.jpg`
`16:53.16`	`doubletwist`	`g0th It apparrently doesn't agree with imwheel and an intellimouse either.`
`16:54.00`	`kombi`	`cahoot: thanks!`
`16:54.00`	`g0th`	`btw, isn't 7.0 out already? ;)`
`16:54.18`	`valdyn`	`g0th: it's not packaged yet`
`16:54.37`	`valdyn`	`g0th: and its feature identical to 6.9.0`
`16:54.40`	`g0th`	`ok, but I can expect it to be included soon`
`16:54.45`	`g0th`	`that is in a few months maybe`
`16:54.48`	`g0th`	`hmm`
`16:54.50`	`g0th`	`ohh`
`16:54.59`	`bobbens`	`g0th: don't worry, when it's ready it'll come`
`16:55.02`	`odla`	`g0th: talk to gravity`
`16:55.04`	`g0th`	`kk :)`
`16:55.13`	`valdyn`	`g0th: 7.0 is a new build system, not new features or bugfixes`
`16:55.24`	`g0th`	`what build system?`
`16:55.28`	`g0th`	`make?`
`16:55.41`	`benjamindees`	`autoconf?`
`16:55.42`	`valdyn`	`g0th: www.x.org`
`16:55.46`	`g0th`	`kk`
`16:55.49`	`robin_sz`	`mmmm .. x`
`16:55.58`	`g0th`	`what package is responsible for keyboard settings?`
`16:56.10`	`g0th`	`I might try to downgrade only this one`
`16:56.14`	`robin_sz`	`she was only the electronic engineers daughter ...`
`16:56.19`	`g0th`	`xlibs?`
`16:56.27`	`robin_sz`	`but none of the lads could resistor`
`16:56.51`	`thingfish`	`tee hee`
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`16:58.43`	`blondie`	`what package is "groupadd" in?`
`16:59.04`	`valdyn`	`!tell blondie -about search`
`16:59.10`	`streuner`	`!find groupadd`
`16:59.24`	`blondie`	`oh weird`
`16:59.37`	`blondie`	`I know how to use apt-cache search thanks :P`
`16:59.47`	`DimmuR`	`Hi I've some trouble with upgrading debconf. I get message: "subprocess post-installation script returned error code 1" Are there any ways to get more informations about errors in scripts? (dpkg -Dxx doesn't help much)`
`16:59.49`	`robin_sz`	`that wont find it`
`16:59.55`	`blondie`	`and apt-file`
`16:59.55`	`blondie`	`nm`
`17:00.02`	`g0th`	`Thanks for all the time and help guys! :)`
`17:00.28`	`robin_sz`	`blondie: its some weird incantation with dpkg to search for what-provides stuff`
`17:00.31`	`xored`	`can someone help me with my pop3, getting that error for all web2*, others work : -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Failed to create /var/mail/.web2p2.pop with uid 640, gid 0. Change permissions. [pop_dropcopy.c:1495]`
`17:00.32`	`bizkit`	`what's the suggested way to set locales per user?`
`17:00.40`	`streuner`	`passwd: /usr/sbin/groupadd`
`17:01.22`	`robin_sz`	`xored: which pop package are youo using?`
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`17:01.40`	`xored`	`robin_: what do you mean exatly ?`
`17:01.43`	`valdyn`	`bizkit: ~/.profile or apt-cache show language-env`
`17:01.47`	`xored`	`qpopper ?`
`17:01.57`	`robin_sz`	`thats what I meant ...`
`17:02.06`	`xored`	`robin_: 4.0.5`
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`17:02.27`	`bibe`	`hi all, and happy 2006`
`17:02.27`	`xored`	`robin_: Version: 4.0.5-171`
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`17:02.34`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'groupadd' (3): (/usr/sbin/lgroupadd) in admin/libuser ;; (/usr/sbin/smbldap-groupadd) in admin/smbldap-tools ;; (/usr/sbin/groupadd, /etc/pam.d/groupadd) in admin/passwd.`
`17:02.40`	`sdakota`	`how to reinstall a CPan module?`
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`17:03.29`	`xored`	`robin_sz: : Version: 4.0.5-171`
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`17:03.53`	`doubletwist`	`Well in case anyone else runs into the intellimouse problem with the new xorg, I found the problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345455`
`17:04.25`	`sdakota`	`how to reinstall a CPAN module? I want to reinstall, or uninstall then install...`
`17:04.26`	`doubletwist`	`oops wrong one`
`17:04.32`	`doubletwist`	`http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343728`
`17:04.39`	`doubletwist`	`That's the xorg/mouse wheel bug`
`17:04.42`	`robin_sz`	`xored: 'k .. reading the docs ...`
`17:04.46`	`bibe`	`I have just found a kernel oops, what's the right way to handle it (what logs should I back up)? Most of all, how can I unfreeze the two 'sync' commands I have running?`
`17:05.01`	`xored`	`robin_sz: thank you very much, iam on it to..`
`17:05.21`	`blondie`	`hmm, why would bash ignore ENV_SUPATH in /etc/login.defs when I "su -"?`
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`17:05.31`	`sdakota`	`how to reinstall a CPAN module? I want to reinstall, or uninstall then install...`
`17:05.56`	`sdakota`	`other question - how to remove a perl cpan module?`
`17:05.59`	`blondie`	`it gives me a normal user PATH :(`
`17:06.08`	`nkuttler`	`sdakota: how did you install it?`
`17:06.09`	`bibe`	`sdakota : google for 'perl cpan shell'`
`17:06.11`	`blondie`	`sdakota: "how to" does not a question make ;)`
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`17:06.39`	`sdakota`	`nkuttler: perl -MCPAN -e 'install Curses::Widgets'`
`17:06.52`	`sdakota`	`bibe: I know how to give cpan commands �.�`
`17:06.58`	`sdakota`	`blondie: ?`
`17:07.01`	`bizkit`	`valdyn: just input is important for me, so i set export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 into my ~/.profile, is that enough?`
`17:07.11`	`blondie`	`sdakota: putting "how to" in front of something doesn't make it a question :\`
`17:07.12`	`sdakota`	`~_~;`
`17:07.13`	`nkuttler`	`sdakota: ask #perl?`
`17:07.19`	`bibe`	`sdakota : http://www.troubleshooters.com/codecorn/littperl/perlcpan.htm seems to have all answers to your questions`
`17:07.22`	`sdakota`	`blondie: yes, it does :P`
`17:07.25`	`blondie`	`no it doesn't`
`17:07.32`	`blondie`	`you should put "how do I" or "how do you"`
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`17:07.37`	`sdakota`	`nkuttler: already done`
`17:07.49`	`xored`	`robin_sz: seems can be a quato problem, or ?`
`17:08.12`	`sdakota`	`blondie: lol, nah, if you use "how to" then it's still a question, but you have to put an infinitive behind it, for example "how to sleep" or "how to sit" etc`
`17:08.36`	`micahf`	`hey`
`17:08.37`	`micahf`	`problem`
`17:08.43`	`micahf`	`I don't have a /proc/pci`
`17:08.49`	`micahf`	`this might be bad`
`17:08.50`	`blondie`	`sdakota: no, it's very bad grammar`
`17:08.53`	`cahoot`	`no`
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`17:09.06`	`sdakota`	`blondie: ok`
`17:09.07`	`cahoot`	`micahf: use lspci instead`
`17:09.15`	`micahf`	`hm`
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`17:09.27`	`micahf`	`I am running a perl script to install a modem driver`
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`17:09.37`	`micahf`	`and it uses /proc/pci`
`17:09.49`	`micahf`	`and I don't know how to change it`
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`17:09.59`	`cahoot`	`micahf: IIRC debian kernels don't enable /proc/pci anyore`
`17:10.01`	`benjamindees`	`sdakota, "how to sleep" is not a sentence, it's a phrase...`
`17:10.27`	`micahf`	`cahoot, ohhh boy`
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`17:11.34`	`cahoot`	`benjamindees: to be or not to be - not a question anymore?`
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`17:12.07`	`xored`	`robin_sz: i found it, it was the quota`
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`17:13.03`	`SimonRaven`	`/proc/pci is an option along the lines of CONFIG_PCI_LEGACY_PROC=y`
`17:13.43`	`kombi`	`can alsamixer route a signal to a certain output?`
`17:14.07`	`cahoot`	`kombi: no`
`17:14.13`	`Skaag`	`I type init q on a box that was 0wned, and get this: RK_Init: idt=0xc0335000, FUCK: Can't find sys_call_table[]`
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`17:14.21`	`Skaag`	`how do I trace this?`
`17:14.23`	`kombi`	`cahoot: how's that done?`
`17:14.34`	`xored`	`someone a tip, on which to set the po3 quota as maximum ?`
`17:14.52`	`pawdro`	`can anyone help me to solve the problem with Xorg? http://pastebin.com/486129`
`17:15.37`	`cahoot`	`kombi: if it's more complicatec than choosing outputdevice for a sound app I'd suggest #lasa`
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`17:15.52`	`cahoot`	`kombi: err - #alsa`
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`17:16.44`	`DimmuR`	`what to do if dpkg-reconfigure debconf says "debconf is not installed or not fully installed" ?`
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`17:17.14`	`h3xis`	`i just changed my sources.list to testing instead of stable. after running apt-get update i ran apt-get upgrade and it downloaded the updates to etch but it won't install them. it'll just sit there now and say "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 408 not upgraded." how do i fix this?`
`17:17.32`	`pawdro`	`http://pastebin.com/486129`
`17:18.02`	`nkuttler`	`h3xis: man sources.list`
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`17:18.13`	`nkuttler`	`h3xis: err, apt-get i mean`
`17:18.22`	`h3xis`	`well i ran apt-get -f install`
`17:18.25`	`h3xis`	`but that didnt do anything`
`17:18.57`	`benjamindees`	`h3xis, what do you have in /etc/apt/apt.conf?`
`17:18.57`	`abrotman`	`dist-upgrade ?`
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`17:19.03`	`h3xis`	`i'll try`
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`17:19.15`	`benjamindees`	`er, yeah what abrotman said`
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`17:19.30`	`bizkit`	`i'm using rxvt-unicode with LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8. all my input works fine, e.g. german umlauts. now i ssh into a remote machine, which has bash 2.05b-26 (should support unicode, is debian sarge). the sshd there has UseLogin yes, and my ~/.profile on the remote account has export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 in it. however, my input is b0rked there, i can't type german umlauts nor the euro sign or such stuff. any ideas?`
`17:19.32`	`h3xis`	`thank you much that was it`
`17:20.37`	`bizkit`	`the en_US.UTF-8 locale exists on the remote machine`
`17:20.45`	`bibe`	`I have two processes (sync and umount), both running from a console, hanging. I see a kernel oops in the 'dmesg' output. What can I do not to lose data?`
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`17:21.31`	`SimonRaven`	`reboot`
`17:21.38`	`benjamindees`	`magic sysreq keys?`
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`17:22.06`	`bibe`	`SimonRaven : I'll try... crossing my fingers`
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`17:22.40`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh, magic sysrq if nothing works`
`17:22.52`	`SerajewelKS`	`i've added a todo in kpilot. I sync, and the todo does not show up on the palm. wtf?`
`17:22.55`	`SimonRaven`	`that has saved my ass more than a couple times`
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`17:23.28`	`micahf`	`so can I install a .deb file?`
`17:23.31`	`micahf`	`locally?`
`17:23.37`	`seraghit`	`I have a problem`
`17:23.37`	`SerajewelKS`	`micahf: dpkg -i`
`17:23.41`	`micahf`	`ah`
`17:23.43`	`micahf`	`thankyou`
`17:23.50`	`micahf`	`I was trying to use apt-get :D`
`17:23.58`	`SerajewelKS`	`!tell seraghit ahout ask`
`17:24.03`	`seraghit`	`I have an error in make xconfig,there isn't qt`
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`17:24.08`	`seraghit`	`but it is false`
`17:24.24`	`SerajewelKS`	`seraghit: what makes you think it's false`
`17:24.34`	`Eulex`	`seraghit, you need the -dev packages`
`17:24.45`	`seraghit`	`apt-get install libqt3-headers qt3-apps-dev`
`17:25.02`	`seraghit`	`but isn't sufficnet`
`17:25.36`	`seraghit`	`I have this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt`
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`17:25.48`	`Eulex`	`seraghit, install libqt3-dev, maybe?`
`17:25.54`	`SimonRaven`	`you probably don't have libqt3-mt-dev or such. why bother with xconfig, just use menuconfig`
`17:26.14`	`abrotman`	`seraghit: so install it`
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`17:26.29`	`benjamindees`	`cahoot, I conclude that the phrase "to be, or not to be," which is a correct sentence, implies the verb and subject "is it," and is a proper question.`
`17:26.31`	`mlots`	`Is packages.d.o really slow for anyone else? Last night and thismorning I get "http 1.1 200 OK" or alike from lynx, and then it just sits Established (nestat -nt) for a long time.`
`17:26.39`	`seraghit`	`i have libqt3-mt-dev`
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`17:27.19`	`cahoot`	`benjamindees: WS did to`
`17:27.24`	`cahoot`	`too`
`17:27.45`	`seraghit`	`I wont resolv this problem!`
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`17:28.17`	`abrotman`	`libqt3-mt?`
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`17:28.40`	`benjamindees`	`cahoot, "how to sleep," however, has no possible correct interpretation`
`17:29.03`	`benjamindees`	`as a question, at least`
`17:30.00`	`seraghit`	`yes, I have libqt3-mt and also libqt3-mt-dev installed`
`17:30.00`	`cahoot`	`benjamindees: I'm quite sure it has for a lot of poets`
`17:31.11`	`abrotman`	`seraghit: what are you compiling ?`
`17:31.29`	`seraghit`	`Same days ago this work, but after a dist-upgrade not work`
`17:31.43`	`seraghit`	`i wont compile the kernel!!`
`17:31.56`	`Eulex`	`!wayc seraghit`
`17:31.56`	`dpkg`	`seraghit: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?`
`17:32.06`	`abrotman`	`seraghit: and you're using unstable ?`
`17:32.11`	`seraghit`	`but I have do same check whit anather version!`
`17:32.24`	`seraghit`	`yes unstabel`
`17:32.29`	`micahf`	`fricking conexant`
`17:32.39`	`micahf`	`I can't afford to pay $20 for a modem driver`
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`17:32.42`	`abrotman`	`seraghit: and what are you compiling ?`
`17:32.44`	`micahf`	`for linux!`
`17:32.58`	`abrotman`	`i thought they had a free version too`
`17:33.12`	`micahf`	`yea but it's limited to 14.4 kbps`
`17:33.14`	`micahf`	`:/`
`17:33.19`	`benjamindees`	`linux is free, why can't you afford it?`
`17:33.31`	`micahf`	`because I'm broke and in college and this is for my grandparents`
`17:33.44`	`benjamindees`	`it's below the market rate for an OS with a modem driver...`
`17:33.56`	`micahf`	`yea it's true`
`17:34.04`	`micahf`	`but I just paid $50 for ram for them`
`17:34.06`	`seraghit`	`I would like use xconfig!!`
`17:34.12`	`micahf`	`because they only have 128 mb`
`17:34.32`	`abrotman`	`seraghit: you're whining because you can't use qconfig with your kernel ?`
`17:35.05`	`abrotman`	`seraghit: use menuconfig like a sane person`
`17:35.18`	`seraghit`	`I can, but I would like understand this problem!`
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`17:36.03`	`abrotman`	`seraghit: Qt sucks .. unstable is for people who know how to fix thier own problems ?`
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`17:36.41`	`VPR5703`	`Ive got Debian Lionux installed, but how do I boto into a graphical shell instead of Bash or SH?`
`17:36.46`	`VPR5703`	`*Linux`
`17:36.54`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: install a DM`
`17:37.03`	`VPR5703`	`How?`
`17:37.08`	`VPR5703`	`apt-get ??`
`17:37.10`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: which desktop do you use ?`
`17:37.20`	`VPR5703`	`right now its dos-like`
`17:37.21`	`Shadur`	`VPR5703: For instance, yes. Or aptitude.`
`17:37.23`	`sphenxes`	`why should I create an image "iso" file before copying backup data ".tar" to my DVD or CD. I use K3B and everything is fine. All books say I should create iso image. what I am missing?`
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`17:37.32`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: kde? gnome? xfce? blackbox? .. what ?`
`17:37.37`	`VPR5703`	`I dont know`
`17:37.40`	`programm`	`Enlightenment :)`
`17:37.46`	`VPR5703`	`it wont boot into anything but a text based shell`
`17:37.49`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: do you prefer kde or gnome or something else?`
`17:37.55`	`VPR5703`	`Ive used both`
`17:37.58`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: look at kde.org and gnome.org .. do you like either of those ?`
`17:38.00`	`VPR5703`	`But not extensivle`
`17:38.00`	`abrotman`	`well pick one!`
`17:38.06`	`VPR5703`	`Ill look.`
`17:38.08`	`odla`	`or both ;)`
`17:38.10`	`VPR5703`	`HOld on, thanks for the help`
`17:38.13`	`VPR5703`	`both?`
`17:38.15`	`VPR5703`	`lets try both.`
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`17:38.30`	`odla`	`apt-get install gnome kde`
`17:38.32`	`abrotman`	`let's try one`
`17:38.33`	`VPR5703`	`how do I instal and boot into one?`
`17:38.36`	`VPR5703`	`OK thanks`
`17:38.38`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: pick ONE`
`17:38.42`	`VPR5703`	`OK...Knome`
`17:38.45`	`odla`	`why?`
`17:38.45`	`VPR5703`	`random. LOL`
`17:38.46`	`blondie`	`lol.`
`17:38.51`	`abrotman`	`odla: and that didn't fix his problem`
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`17:38.54`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: PICK ONE`
`17:38.59`	`VPR5703`	`Knome`
`17:39.01`	`odla`	`apt-get install gdm`
`17:39.02`	`goccias`	`knome ?`
`17:39.03`	`odla`	`ok?`
`17:39.04`	`abrotman`	`fucking asshole`
`17:39.08`	`VPR5703`	`...`
`17:39.10`	`blondie`	`abrotman: calm :\`
`17:39.10`	`goccias`	`i wanted it`
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`17:39.11`	`VPR5703`	`*gnome`
`17:39.16`	`abrotman`	`apt-get install gnome gdm`
`17:39.17`	`TGoC`	`How can i backup mysql into a file called mysql_backup_dbname_unixtimestamps.sql every 12 hours?`
`17:39.19`	`benjamindees`	`isn't there some kind of setup program...`
`17:39.19`	`abrotman`	`have a nice day`
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`17:39.27`	`VPR5703`	`Cool man thanks!`
`17:39.30`	`abrotman`	`oh .. and i forgot x-window-system`
`17:39.36`	`goccias`	`:)`
`17:39.37`	`odla`	`apt-get install gnome kde gdm(or kdm)`
`17:39.45`	`VPR5703`	`hmmm.`
`17:39.46`	`odla`	`or xdm`
`17:39.52`	`abrotman`	`stop confusing shit`
`17:39.59`	`VPR5703`	`Whats the command for X-window-system?`
`17:40.00`	`abrotman`	`apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system`
`17:40.09`	`VPR5703`	`ah Ok`
`17:40.12`	`VPR5703`	`Ill write that own`
`17:40.13`	`VPR5703`	`*down`
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`17:40.51`	`VPR5703`	`will it boot into that by default?`
`17:40.55`	`blondie`	`macgyver?`
`17:40.57`	`abrotman`	`it's supposed to`
`17:41.02`	`VPR5703`	`Ok thanks`
`17:41.24`	`refa33s`	`anyone else have no log created by x.org 6.9?`
`17:41.35`	`abrotman`	`no log no log!`
`17:41.37`	`VPR5703`	`Ill be back if I have any questuons, thanks abrotman`
`17:41.59`	`VPR5703`	`Oh one more`
`17:42.17`	`VPR5703`	`how od I mount my CD-ROM if it is on my PCI-IDE controller?`
`17:42.18`	`programm`	`VPR5703 Whats the command for X-window-system? << it's aptitude install x-window-system-core`
`17:42.22`	`benjamindees`	`ah, base-config`
`17:42.28`	`VPR5703`	`ok programm thanks`
`17:42.35`	`programm`	`VPR5703, ;)`
`17:42.36`	`bibe`	`TGoC : 0 0-12 * * * /usr/bin/mysqldump --opt <dbname> > /path/to/ mysql_backup_<dbname>_$(date +%s).sql`
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`17:42.38`	`abrotman`	`programm: i already gave it to him .. please don't confuse him`
`17:42.42`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: use the one i gave you`
`17:42.43`	`blondie`	`VPR5703: look in dmesg for the model number and something like hdc`
`17:42.53`	`TGoC`	`into .. ?`
`17:42.54`	`blondie`	`(type dmesg)`
`17:43.01`	`programm`	`abrotman, sorry`
`17:43.04`	`TGoC`	`bibe i assume that is a cronjob right?`
`17:43.06`	`bibe`	`TGoC : into your user's crontab`
`17:43.11`	`TGoC`	`ok thx`
`17:43.12`	`VPR5703`	`OK thanks guys.`
`17:43.20`	`VPR5703`	`Im REALLY new to this. obviously`
`17:43.31`	`programm`	`abrotman, but, x-window-system-core isn't better?`
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`17:43.33`	`benjamindees`	`have fun with gnome, come back and ask for kde if it sucks :)`
`17:43.34`	`bibe`	`TGoC : yes. be sure to pass authentication params, if needed`
`17:43.38`	`VPR5703`	`lol`
`17:43.41`	`VPR5703`	`I will`
`17:43.45`	`VPR5703`	`Im going to try X-Win`
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`17:43.52`	`VPR5703`	`Ive tried both KDE and gnome`
`17:43.56`	`abrotman`	`programm: let's just say .. we threw in the kitchen sink :)`
`17:44.04`	`blondie`	`VPR5703: erm no`
`17:44.04`	`VPR5703`	`thnaks guys`
`17:44.08`	`VPR5703`	`Ill talk to you in a bit`
`17:44.12`	`blondie`	`both gnome and kde use X`
`17:44.12`	`VPR5703`	`What why?`
`17:44.16`	`VPR5703`	`oh. LOl`
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`17:44.22`	`VPR5703`	`Well than Ill stick with gnome`
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`17:44.31`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: just go try it .. come back if you have problems`
`17:44.36`	`VPR5703`	`lol`
`17:44.37`	`VPR5703`	`OK.`
`17:45.04`	`odla`	`abrotman: how long have you been using debian?`
`17:45.13`	`TGoC`	`bibe is it safe to backup with root access?`
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`17:45.24`	`abrotman`	`odla: i don't remember ... at least .. 6 .. wait .. maybe 7 .. years :)`
`17:45.38`	`blondie`	`abrotman you must be old :(`
`17:45.41`	`abrotman`	`i remember it was cold outside`
`17:45.47`	`abrotman`	`blondie: how old do you think i am?`
`17:45.53`	`blondie`	`hmm`
`17:45.54`	`blondie`	`35`
`17:46.02`	`abrotman`	`not even close`
`17:46.03`	`TGoC`	`abrotman 40?`
`17:46.05`	`odla`	`25?`
`17:46.11`	`refa33s`	`anyone have mouse button problems in x.org 6.9`
`17:46.11`	`blondie`	`89`
`17:46.16`	`TGoC`	`69?`
`17:46.17`	`kbrooks`	`a`
`17:46.19`	`abrotman`	`not even 30 yet`
`17:46.28`	`odla`	`!win odla`
`17:46.28`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, odla! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!`
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`17:46.29`	`streuner`	`refa33s: no - just ask`
`17:46.29`	`TGoC`	`ok 28 then`
`17:46.29`	`kbrooks`	`test. anyone see this?`
`17:46.29`	`blondie`	`25 then`
`17:46.36`	`kbrooks`	`!win kbrooks`
`17:46.36`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, kbrooks! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!`
`17:46.41`	`kbrooks`	`okay`
`17:46.43`	`refa33s`	`streuner: thanks, i did ask`
`17:46.50`	`Revelation`	`!win Revelation`
`17:46.50`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, Revelation! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!`
`17:46.53`	`kbrooks`	`so someone finally unsilenced me`
`17:46.56`	`Revelation`	`;x`
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`17:47.03`	`abrotman`	`but i will be 30 this year`
`17:47.03`	`TGoC`	`bibe is it safe to execute that cronjob under root?`
`17:47.10`	`abrotman`	`kbrooks: there was a good reason IIRC`
`17:47.10`	`TGoC`	`so your 29`
`17:47.11`	`TGoC`	`:)`
`17:47.12`	`abrotman`	`you're`
`17:47.16`	`blondie`	`abrotman: 29 is close to 35!`
`17:47.19`	`TGoC`	`yes sir abrotman`
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`17:47.38`	`odla`	`closer to 25 ;)`
`17:47.45`	`kbrooks`	`abrotman: what is the reason i was unsilenced, if I may ask?`
`17:48.04`	`blondie`	`wow, I used linux for the first time, 7 years ago to the day`
`17:48.05`	`abrotman`	`no . that you were silienced`
`17:48.09`	`benjamindees`	`violent overthrow of #debian`
`17:48.23`	`abrotman`	`blondie: it's closer to 25 :)`
`17:48.24`	`kbrooks`	`blondie, wow?`
`17:48.31`	`abrotman`	`blondie: and damn it .. i'm not that old :)`
`17:48.32`	`blondie`	`yes wow :P`
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`17:48.44`	`kbrooks`	`my first distributio was #debian oddly enough`
`17:48.50`	`kbrooks`	`er, s/#//`
`17:48.51`	`blondie`	`an IRC channel?`
`17:48.52`	`blondie`	`:P`
`17:48.56`	`abrotman`	`it was either Hamm or Slink i used first`
`17:48.57`	`blondie`	`I used RedHat :\`
`17:49.11`	`blondie`	`for a while, then mandrake`
`17:49.14`	`kbrooks`	`sarge testing ...`
`17:49.14`	`blondie`	`then debian :o`
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`17:49.37`	`kbrooks`	`abrotman, when did you start using debian?`
`17:49.46`	`abrotman`	`kbrooks: it was either hamm or slink :)`
`17:49.54`	`abrotman`	`kbrooks: i was drinking a lot in those days :)`
`17:50.10`	`abrotman`	`i was still in college .. so it was before 2000 ..`
`17:50.12`	`nanok`	`:P`
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`17:50.18`	`kbrooks`	`abrotman, i wanted the relative date ... but ok. i started using linux in ...`
`17:50.28`	`kbrooks`	`abrotman, november 2004`
`17:51.06`	`odla`	`goccias: hippy?`
`17:51.13`	`odla`	`oops -ie`
`17:51.19`	`blondie`	`oh, a pic of abrotman http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/userpics/big_abrotman.jpg`
`17:51.21`	`abrotman`	`maybe goccias is hippy`
`17:51.34`	`abrotman`	`!sing abrotman`
`17:51.34`	`dpkg`	`Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane...`
`17:51.43`	`blondie`	`I'm a hippy :\`
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`17:52.17`	`goccias`	`odla: sometimes i think WE LOST A NICE PLANET :)`
`17:52.39`	`abrotman`	`blondie: didn't you see the umbrella hat ?`
`17:52.50`	`blondie`	`um nope`
`17:53.08`	`abrotman`	`blondie: moment`
`17:53.40`	`abrotman`	`blondie: oh wait .. the image isn't coming up`
`17:54.01`	`abrotman`	`hrm .. blondie sorry .. nipl.net must be dead`
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`17:54.22`	`blondie`	`awww`
`17:54.31`	`odla`	`abrotman: you should have a bot called abotman`
`17:54.39`	`abrotman`	`odla: they said that the other day`
`17:54.49`	`odla`	`abrotman: i started that ;)`
`17:55.06`	`odla`	`abrotman: both you and dpkg were awol`
`17:55.20`	`odla`	`#debian was fucked without you two`
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`17:55.43`	`vosti`	`hi`
`17:55.48`	`abrotman`	`odla: it happens`
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`17:56.00`	`Oncer`	`hello?`
`17:56.01`	`odla`	`it does`
`17:56.20`	`goccias`	`abrotman: i think trucking and gnu are similar and you shoul play guitar as Jerry Garciain "Standing on the moon " : am ia hippy ?`
`17:56.28`	`goccias`	`should*`
`17:56.28`	`vosti`	`keyboard layout map is changed in xorg 6.8.99, unstable? after update some keys dosn't work...`
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`17:56.47`	`odla`	`garciain?`
`17:56.54`	`odla`	`ubuntu_: we can't help you`
`17:57.03`	`goccias`	`Captain Tripping`
`17:57.04`	`abrotman`	`goccias: is Linus like St Stephen ?`
`17:57.07`	`odla`	`garcia?`
`17:57.11`	`goccias`	`naaaaaaaaaaa`
`17:57.18`	`odla`	`richard stallman?`
`17:57.22`	`goccias`	`he said some bullshit about gnome`
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`17:58.20`	`goccias`	`abrotman: Standing on the moon is a masterpiece word included . that "backporch" is chilling`
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`18:02.44`	`huhmz`	`Hey guys. How can I switch num lock on at boot?`
`18:03.34`	`sdakota`	`should be a setting in your bios`
`18:03.45`	`kspath`	`press numlock /me runs for the hills`
`18:04.25`	`huhmz`	`well it's for an embedded app so it's kind of so so with having a keyboard with an actual num lock key`
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`18:05.53`	`benjamindees`	`apt-get install numlockx`
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`18:06.55`	`VPR5703`	`OK..`
`18:06.57`	`VPR5703`	`No luck`
`18:07.15`	`VPR5703`	`Sorry to be a bother..`
`18:07.17`	`odla`	`VPR5703: what's the problem?`
`18:07.32`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, be more detailed`
`18:07.33`	`VPR5703`	`I cant mount my optical drive`
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`18:07.41`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, no?`
`18:07.44`	`VPR5703`	`It is attatched to my PCI-IDE controller`
`18:07.50`	`VPR5703`	`I used dmesg`
`18:07.57`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, dmesg \| grep hda`
`18:08.00`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, dmesg \| grep hdb`
`18:08.02`	`kbrooks`	`etc`
`18:08.18`	`kbrooks`	`and so on until you find the device`
`18:08.19`	`VPR5703`	`what will that do?`
`18:08.26`	`kbrooks`	`try it`
`18:08.31`	`VPR5703`	`I know where to device is`
`18:08.38`	`VPR5703`	`its hde`
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`18:08.52`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, you don't mount the device itself`
`18:08.52`	`VPR5703`	`but I cant figure out how to mount it`
`18:08.54`	`blondie`	`VPR5703: how are you trying to mount it?`
`18:08.59`	`kbrooks`	`you mount the partitions`
`18:09.08`	`blondie`	`kbrooks: no`
`18:09.12`	`blondie`	`you mount hde itself`
`18:09.18`	`BioNik`	`Hello. I have tried to look for a command-line webcam software. Which is the best? It should support automatic exposure`
`18:09.21`	`blondie`	`VPR5703: mount /dev/hde /mnt/cdrom`
`18:09.26`	`blondie`	`or /media/cdrom`
`18:09.26`	`VPR5703`	`Right but how? I know how to do it when it is attatched to my IDE controller on the board`
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`18:09.29`	`kbrooks`	`blondie, in general`
`18:09.38`	`blondie`	`kbrooks: it's an optical drive...`
`18:09.57`	`kspath`	`there must be valid media in it with a fs to mount it`
`18:10.00`	`kbrooks`	`blondie, which means ... (what is a optical drive) ?`
`18:10.01`	`VPR5703`	`there was`
`18:10.10`	`kspath`	`cool`
`18:10.11`	`VPR5703`	`the Sarge DVD-R`
`18:10.24`	`blondie`	`kbrooks: CD or DVD`
`18:10.33`	`VPR5703`	`Both blondie`
`18:10.38`	`kbrooks`	`blondie, ok`
`18:10.43`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, not to you`
`18:10.54`	`VPR5703`	`its a CD-RW/DVD+/-RW`
`18:11.10`	`roby`	`Has anyone gotten a compiler error with the latest (8.20.8) fglrx drivers? The log mentions error in re-declaration of 'errno' ?`
`18:11.11`	`blondie`	`VPR5703: "or" includes "both"`
`18:11.19`	`VPR5703`	`oh sorry`
`18:11.39`	`VPR5703`	`mount /dev/hde /mnt/cdrom`
`18:11.45`	`VPR5703`	`So use that and it will mount the DVD?`
`18:11.52`	`kspath`	`VPR5703 please add this to your /etc/fstab : /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0`
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`18:12.01`	`kspath`	`change hdd to hde`
`18:12.12`	`VPR5703`	`Add that to where?`
`18:12.28`	`kspath`	`make sure there is a /media/cdrom0 first of course`
`18:12.34`	`VPR5703`	`There was`
`18:12.38`	`VPR5703`	`Wait`
`18:12.39`	`VPR5703`	`I dunno`
`18:12.46`	`VPR5703`	`Im on Windpws right now`
`18:12.49`	`VPR5703`	`*Windows`
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`18:13.01`	`VPR5703`	`cause Im still stuck at a text shell in Debian`
`18:13.14`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, um`
`18:13.28`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, you apparently fail to get debian`
`18:13.40`	`VPR5703`	`I installed it off of the Sarge DVD`
`18:13.42`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, there is a irc client you can install`
`18:13.42`	`Eulex`	`VPR5703, it's quite hard to help you if you haven't got debian booted...`
`18:13.46`	`_rene_`	`#/gw 17`
`18:13.46`	`goccias`	`must not be sarge then`
`18:13.50`	`_rene_`	`grr`
`18:13.54`	`VPR5703`	`Want me to erase the EXT3 partition?`
`18:13.57`	`goccias`	`no way to get it wrong`
`18:13.59`	`VPR5703`	`and reinstall it?`
`18:14.01`	`benjamindees`	`VPR5703, run base-config as root`
`18:14.16`	`benjamindees`	`VPR5703, and reboot`
`18:14.22`	`VPR5703`	`ok.`
`18:14.26`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, listen`
`18:14.27`	`VPR5703`	`be back ina few mins`
`18:14.29`	`VPR5703`	`ok....`
`18:14.37`	`kbrooks`	`debian is not windows`
`18:14.41`	`VPR5703`	`I know that.`
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`18:14.48`	`VPR5703`	`I want to get OUT of windows`
`18:14.51`	`kbrooks`	`you don't reinstall for every single occurence`
`18:14.54`	`goccias`	`it takes 35 seconfds to get base-system and maybe i say maybe 10 minutes to get a desktop up and running`
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`18:15.17`	`VPR5703`	`OK...`
`18:15.19`	`kspath`	`I got out of windows a long time ago and did not look back much of course I do not play games`
`18:15.28`	`benjamindees`	`goccias, not everyone makes it that far, unfortunately...`
`18:15.28`	`VPR5703`	`Im leaving windows on my system for games`
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`18:15.41`	`linshit`	`knoppix rulz`
`18:15.41`	`ddaniels`	`I've got my DWL-g132 loaded with ndiswrapper, but iwconfig doesn't see it. Where'd it go or is it really there?`
`18:15.48`	`odla`	`!knoppix`
`18:15.48`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat.`
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`18:16.11`	`linshit`	`knoppix is so much more then that`
`18:16.14`	`dotrig`	`wgu get i nv_sata: missed *****`
`18:16.18`	`BioNik`	`long time ago in a galaxy far far away`
`18:16.22`	`dotrig`	`in start ?`
`18:16.25`	`benjamindees`	`if the installer doesn't reboot, base-config never runs and you get a text shell and confusion...`
`18:16.25`	`VPR5703`	`All I need to do is load a graphical interface. but to do that, I need to find a way to mount my DVD inside of -bash or sh. But therein lies the problem`
`18:16.28`	`linshit`	`u cant break it mwhaha unless u scratch the cd`
`18:16.33`	`goccias`	`benjamindees: i'm not blaming people but saying sarge rocks , after this you can take your time and get satisfaction :)`
`18:16.38`	`Kyo`	`Fedora Core 4 alquem aki ja uso ele?`
`18:16.43`	`kbrooks`	`odla; offtopic`
`18:16.49`	`kbrooks`	`kyo: english`
`18:16.57`	`Eulex`	`!br`
`18:16.57`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
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`18:17.00`	`Eulex`	`!fedora`
`18:17.00`	`dpkg`	`fedora is probably Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information`
`18:17.01`	`benjamindees`	`goccias, yeah well sometimes the installer still sucks, for instance if you're dual-booting...`
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`18:18.04`	`VPR5703`	`Im sorry guys...`
`18:18.09`	`VPR5703`	`Im just a tad confused`
`18:18.09`	`odla`	`kbrooks: what? offtopic?`
`18:18.24`	`ddaniels`	`So is the device there? I also did ndiswrapper -m...`
`18:18.26`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: man you got time so i could ask you a question about this computer`
`18:18.27`	`VPR5703`	`odla, knoppix refuses to work on my hardware.`
`18:18.36`	`odla`	`some dude said something about knoppix`
`18:18.42`	`VPR5703`	`Umm`
`18:18.45`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: does the debian system have network?`
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`18:18.52`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: yeah I am feeling better now.. I have recovered from last night`
`18:18.55`	`VPR5703`	`I have a wireless card, but it wontwork.`
`18:19.06`	`Eulex`	`VPR5703, chipset?`
`18:19.07`	`yang`	`i am trying to do the backup of the broken disk...Seems some files got damaged becouse of inproper usage of fsck. But now if I boot the machine with lifiimage and mount it, I cannot access it, becouse there is no system installed Con it, how could I solve this?`
`18:19.07`	`kspath`	`odla: let it go explaining sometimes confuses people more`
`18:19.08`	`VPR5703`	`I need to get ndiswrapper`
`18:19.09`	`odla`	`VPR5703: knoppix questions try #knoppix`
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`18:19.14`	`linshit`	`vpr try the cheatcodes framebuffer etc for laptops`
`18:19.21`	`ddaniels`	`VPR5703: ditto, what's your card's make?`
`18:19.24`	`VPR5703`	`its already installed`
`18:19.24`	`VPR5703`	`Just no shell`
`18:19.26`	`Eulex`	`VPR5703, and any way to temporarily get a wired net connection to the box?`
`18:19.27`	`odla`	`kspath: that makes no sense`
`18:19.30`	`VPR5703`	`well, no GUI`
`18:19.35`	`VPR5703`	`Umm`
`18:19.40`	`VPR5703`	`Not realyl Eules`
`18:19.41`	`linshit`	`vpr init 5?`
`18:19.43`	`VPR5703`	`*Eulex`
`18:20.05`	`VPR5703`	`Like I said, all I need to do is mount my DVD to get at the APT pacjages`
`18:20.09`	`VPR5703`	`*packages`
`18:20.16`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: things will be much easier with a wire`
`18:20.19`	`benjamindees`	`VPR5703, really, stop messing around and run base-config, it will do all that`
`18:20.22`	`kspath`	`odla: I know when I am told I am offtopic even if I am I just let it go because if I try to explain some think I might be trolling people can have short fuses with too much caffiene and little sleep`
`18:20.23`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: how do i hook up that transmitter to the computer cause i dont know if some songs work and some dont.`
`18:20.27`	`ddaniels`	`ndiswrapper -l show hardware present and driver loaded?`
`18:20.30`	`VPR5703`	`ddaniiels I have a Silicon Image 0680`
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`18:20.40`	`Harley^`	`Happy New Year`
`18:20.43`	`odla`	`kspath: well read before you type offtopic then ;)`
`18:20.50`	`Eulex`	`benjamindees, base-config will not make unsupported network cards work.`
`18:21.02`	`kspath`	`odla: I didnt other one did see what I mean`
`18:21.09`	`kspath`	`odla: lol`
`18:21.14`	`VPR5703`	`i can get the card to work if I can get the damned DVD to work.`
`18:21.15`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: they have programs to test songs you know.. that work way better than listening to the whole thing`
`18:21.17`	`benjamindees`	`Eulex, but it will let him install necessary packages from the DVD without learning all of the linux command line...`
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`18:21.28`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: they check it for bad frames and such`
`18:21.30`	`Eulex`	`benjamindees, yes`
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`18:21.42`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: in any case all it needs is 12V dc`
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`18:21.47`	`VPR5703`	`So base-config then?`
`18:21.48`	`clojster`	`I have upgraded debian unstable now using dselect and now my X wont start. Anyone here had this problem? How to solve it...`
`18:21.53`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: yellow wires are 12v black are ground`
`18:21.54`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: and?`
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`18:22.07`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: you need one yellow wire, one black.. you can take it from anything thats not in use`
`18:22.10`	`ddaniels`	`Eulex: Can it make an ndiswrapper loaded card work?`
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`18:22.15`	`nkuttler`	`clojster: seems everybody is have problems with x today`
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`18:22.49`	`goccias`	`abrotman: box of rain !! can you play it ?`
`18:22.52`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: I was trying to find you a cheap set of speakers.. but I wanted cheap money wise.. I didnt want just any junky speakers..`
`18:22.54`	`clojster`	`nkuttler: really? and is there anything to do to make it run?`
`18:22.55`	`VPR5703`	`ok Im oging to try base-config`
`18:22.58`	`VPR5703`	`Ill be back, no doubt`
`18:23.04`	`kspath`	`odla: you never know if someone has a script watching for keywords it should ignore dpkg but it might see someone telling dpkg something I tend to hate automated crap myself`
`18:23.10`	`Eulex`	`ddaniels, I don't think so. you'll have to configure ndiswrapper manually.`
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`18:23.22`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: most places I went didnt have their display models hooked up.. and I am not going to buy little speakers that are 3inches or less without hearing them to see how they sound`
`18:23.34`	`abrotman`	`goccias: on guitar?`
`18:23.43`	`Harley^`	`When I attempted to apt-get install several different packages,for example; apt-get install libgimp2.0-dev I get the following warning;The following packages will be REMOVED:`
`18:23.43`	`Harley^`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:23.47`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: do they have speakers at radio shack?`
`18:23.51`	`ddaniels`	`Eulex: ndiswrapper is done afaict, but iwconfig doesn't see the device.`
`18:23.52`	`goccias`	`abrotman: sure i know you own some`
`18:23.54`	`_chou-chou`	`anyone know how i can get direct connection via aim to work when its behind a debian firewall/gateway with iptables, and ive attempted reaim, used to always worked and just recently it stopped working, no settings were changed, and correct ports are opened :/`
`18:24.06`	`usn`	`happy new year`
`18:24.06`	`abrotman`	`goccias: i used to be able to`
`18:24.12`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: they had these ones at Fye in morgantown that looked like a little tube they looked good and ran on battery or ac.. but they didnt have em hooked up so I could hear em`
`18:24.17`	`abrotman`	`goccias: i probably could if i looked the music`
`18:24.29`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: yeah they got a small selection and its probably overpriced`
`18:24.40`	`kspath`	`odla: example if I mention knoppix who knows if some script/bot will auto reply to me even if I am on topic`
`18:24.42`	`goccias`	`abrotman: great great music`
`18:24.52`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: speakers would be all around easier.. and then I can go back to using my transmitter for things it was intended for`
`18:24.57`	`abrotman`	`kspath: #knoppix!`
`18:25.10`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: well seeing as the only car i have tend to be my feet.i dont have much choice`
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`18:25.18`	`kspath`	`adtitmon: is a bot?`
`18:25.22`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`18:25.31`	`nkuttler`	`the bot should kick anybody who mentions knoppix or ubuntu ;)`
`18:25.40`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: kick nkuttler`
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`18:25.51`	`Oncer`	`My root partition (/) is damaged, but /var, /usr and /home are alright. Is there any way to recover the system without reinstalling everything?`
`18:26.18`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: I want to get myself a surround sound system I think. I was looking at some 5-piece sets on pricewatch.com`
`18:26.23`	`nkuttler`	`Oncer: yes, use your backups`
`18:26.40`	`Oncer`	`nkuttler: No backups, I'm afraid`
`18:26.44`	`kspath`	`Oncer: mount it and copy a valid / from a machine set up EXACTLY the same way ?`
`18:26.51`	`zeljko`	`hy people`
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`18:26.57`	`nkuttler`	`Oncer: then define 'the system'`
`18:27.10`	`Oncer`	`Debian unstable`
`18:27.12`	`Harley^`	`Why would apt-get install require the REMOVAL of my kernel and initrd for the install of something as innocuous as libgimp0 ?`
`18:27.23`	`ddaniels`	`Anywhere I can get ndiswrapper/wireless_tools help?`
`18:27.25`	`nkuttler`	`Oncer: it's probably easier to reinstall`
`18:27.28`	`zeljko`	`windows xp rules`
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`18:27.38`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: I am still a little nausiated.. I need to lay down some more before I have to go to this funeral`
`18:27.42`	`sphenxes`	`I try to excute at command. I get error "no atd running". how can I run atd?`
`18:27.47`	`kspath`	`Oncer: you are likely best off backing up the other directories and doing a new install`
`18:28.13`	`SimonRaven`	`don't need to pray, just do it`
`18:28.33`	`goccias`	`usn: keep on trucking and follow the stream`
`18:28.39`	`usn`	`hehe, we will see. testng was ennerving for production`
`18:28.56`	`abrotman`	`unnerving`
`18:28.59`	`usn`	`ok`
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`18:29.44`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: what funeral?`
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`18:29.59`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: Sue died on friday.`
`18:30.07`	`VPR5703_`	`ok.`
`18:30.15`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: will any speakers work on my computer`
`18:30.15`	`VPR5703_`	`base-config didnt help`
`18:30.28`	`meribol`	`herkese slm`
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`18:30.32`	`poe-t`	`hi`
`18:30.35`	`poe-t`	`e2fsprogs: PreDepends: e2fslibs (= 1.38+1.39-WIP-2005.12.10-1) but 1.38+1.39-WIP-2005.12.10-2 is installed`
`18:30.43`	`VPR5703_`	`Thats wierd.`
`18:30.43`	`poe-t`	`is very wrong, right? ;-)`
`18:30.44`	`benjamindees`	`VPR5703_, still text shell?`
`18:30.49`	`VPR5703_`	`yeap`
`18:30.51`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: I really dont want to be at a funeral home, in ambridge no less on new years.. but its only going to be a viewing one day, and I have to go for Matt he's probably going to have another nervous breakdown.`
`18:30.53`	`VPR5703_`	`I cant acess the CD driv`
`18:31.20`	`benjamindees`	`VPR5703_, base-config couldn't access it?`
`18:31.21`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: whats going to happen to matt?`
`18:31.26`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: you just need an 1/8" Phono Jack to plug into the sound card.. and you want APLIFICATION because the sound card is not well amped`
`18:31.28`	`poe-t`	`anyone had problems after upgrading Sid today?`
`18:31.32`	`VPR5703`	`nope`
`18:31.33`	`kspath`	`VPR5703: must be that virus called MS OS`
`18:31.37`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: he's been living at his grandmothers for a long time now`
`18:31.37`	`VPR5703`	`lol`
`18:31.41`	`VPR5703`	`yeah ive heard of that...`
`18:31.54`	`VPR5703`	`Ruins computers....generally makes life a living hell.`
`18:32.06`	`poe-t`	`VPR5703, did you have problems with e2fsprogs dependancies?`
`18:32.12`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: I dont know what his plans are, and I am sure he's years off from knowing either.. they boy led a sheltered life, and that shelter has burned to the ground`
`18:32.14`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: What's the device node for your cdrom?`
`18:32.15`	`nvz`	`he's lost`
`18:32.22`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: will he stay there/`
`18:32.25`	`VPR5703`	`What?`
`18:32.26`	`VPR5703`	`Im a new guy here.`
`18:32.31`	`kspath`	`VPR5703: I heard that 95% of the machines in the world are infected with MS OS`
`18:32.36`	`VPR5703`	`yeah same here.`
`18:32.49`	`poe-t`	`no windows around me`
`18:32.54`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: its either stay there, goto Dallas, or live in the woods with Carl`
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`18:33.09`	`VPR5703`	`Im runnig XP Pro cause thats the only thing I can get runnig right now. haha`
`18:33.10`	`kspath`	`poe-t: same here`
`18:33.14`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: I dont know what his thoughts are, but thats the essential reality of the situation`
`18:33.28`	`clojster`	`even no X around here :/`
`18:33.31`	`poe-t`	`kspath, hello there, fellow heaven dweller! ;-)`
`18:33.36`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: /dev/hdb, /dev/sg0, /dev/scd0, /dev/scsi/0/lun0...?`
`18:33.37`	`streuner`	`VPR5703: look at the /topic , dude`
`18:33.59`	`Harley^`	`Does it seem odd to anyone other than myself for an apt-get install of something like quicktime-utils to reply with; The following packages will be REMOVED:`
`18:34.00`	`Harley^`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:34.01`	`streuner`	`VPR5703: we prefer debian, its not that hard to learn`
`18:34.09`	`VPR5703`	`.......`
`18:34.15`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: you could try apt-cdrom`
`18:34.20`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: what was wrong with her?`
`18:34.23`	`VPR5703`	`have you been following my problem struenr?`
`18:34.24`	`benjamindees`	`streuner, he's installing debian...`
`18:34.25`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: as Stevie Nicks said, there's trouble in shangri-la, or as Joni Mitchell said, they've paved paradise and put up a parkng lot`
`18:34.36`	`goccias`	`Harley^: backports ?`
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`18:34.44`	`Harley^`	`goccias`
`18:34.55`	`Harley^`	`goccias What do you mean backports ?`
`18:35.00`	`kspath`	`mlots: he said earlier that his dvd drive was /dev/hde not sure if that is still true`
`18:35.01`	`poe-t`	`Harley^, clean your /etc/apt/soutrces.list I'd say you got too many 3rd party repositories there`
`18:35.06`	`VPR5703`	`it is`
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`18:35.10`	`VPR5703`	`Well`
`18:35.15`	`VPR5703`	`Thats what it reported`
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`18:35.20`	`Harley^`	`maybe`
`18:35.21`	`VPR5703`	`I wrote down stuff from dmesg`
`18:35.27`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: Have scsi emulation on?`
`18:35.33`	`VPR5703`	`yeah for my USB`
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`18:35.40`	`abrotman`	`Harley^: are you using testing?`
`18:35.44`	`clojster`	`please help me with current X in unstable... I cant get it to run. It starts, but there is only black screen and I cant switch to another tty to see the log`
`18:35.45`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: seems like she had cancer maybe lukemia.. and from what I understand treatment was successful in killing the cancer, but it also significantly kills and reduces white blood cells, which cripples your ammune system.. and I guess she never got her white blood cell count up before infection set in..`
`18:35.50`	`kspath`	`mlots: I think he said his DVD was on IDE`
`18:35.57`	`Harley^`	`abrotman, On the other machine, yes.`
`18:36.02`	`nkuttler`	`clojster: downgrade to the version that worked`
`18:36.03`	`VPR5703`	`It is on a PCi-IDE controller`
`18:36.08`	`bluefox83`	`when i type "ifconfig" as root, what is the "Bcast" ip for?`
`18:36.15`	`abrotman`	`broadcast`
`18:36.18`	`clojster`	`nkuttler: but where can I get tha package?`
`18:36.18`	`abrotman`	`!broadcast`
`18:36.20`	`VPR5703`	`Silicom Image 0680 IDE/133 controller`
`18:36.22`	`abrotman`	`bah`
`18:36.26`	`nkuttler`	`clojster: /msg dpkg snapshot`
`18:36.29`	`Harley^`	`On another it still has an older edition of Debian Sarge`
`18:36.33`	`bluefox83`	`so if i want to send outgoing packets, i need to open ports for that ip?`
`18:36.36`	`streuner`	`VPR5703: well, i saw /lastlog nick, i would suggest that one guy help you...`
`18:36.45`	`VPR5703`	`huh?`
`18:36.54`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: how old is matt now?`
`18:36.58`	`abrotman`	`streuner: i nominate you!`
`18:37.06`	`streuner`	`there is german speak, many cooks fucks the meal`
`18:37.23`	`streuner`	`abrotman: do it!`
`18:37.28`	`VPR5703`	`...`
`18:37.29`	`clojster`	`nkuttler: and do I have to reinstall all packages in x-window-system, or which?`
`18:37.34`	`abrotman`	`streuner: i'm .. playing games :)`
`18:37.36`	`kspath`	`<< does not have any PCI scsi usb firewire or ata atapi ide boards I doubt I can help`
`18:37.41`	`Harley^`	`abrotman, AH ! That IS it !`
`18:37.43`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: 20 I guess. when pat was living up here with maryanne her older daughter was a year older than me, and the younger one was a year younger, and matt was a year younger than her.`
`18:37.48`	`abrotman`	`Harley^: ?`
`18:37.58`	`VPR5703`	`here is what dmesg says about my controller and drive`
`18:38.00`	`nkuttler`	`clojster: i guess so. haven't done something like that in years.`
`18:38.03`	`Harley^`	`abrotman, in the sources was a "testing' reference`
`18:38.15`	`streuner`	`VPR5703: Don't flood`
`18:38.19`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: what's the error you get from mount or apt?`
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`18:38.23`	`Pedro420`	`nvz`
`18:38.27`	`abrotman`	`Harley^: got it all sorted out ?`
`18:38.28`	`streuner`	`VPR5703: /msg dpkg paster`
`18:38.38`	`VPR5703`	`I cant use mount because I dont know where my stupid DVD drive is at.`
`18:38.41`	`Harley^`	`Maybe rerunning an update`
`18:38.59`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: thats really tragic`
`18:39.12`	`benjamindees`	`VPR5703, would this also be the drive you initially installed Debian from?`
`18:39.15`	`Harley^`	`that fixed it. Danke`
`18:39.42`	`VPR5703`	`I installed debian from it by putting the drive on my regular IDE channels`
`18:39.49`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: he's a long way from understanding anything about the world.. but he will be comming to grips real soon.. he just needs people around to navigate him in the right direction since he's never sailed on his own before. With all this wind in his sail, who knows where he could end up without people around.`
`18:39.49`	`benjamindees`	`...`
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`18:40.19`	`VPR5703`	`But I need it on the controller because I dotn want to keep switching it from channel to channel evertime I boto into Debian`
`18:40.25`	`benjamindees`	`you got Debian half-installed on a system with an unsupported ide controller and no network card?`
`18:40.35`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: but he not real close to your family`
`18:40.42`	`VPR5703`	`it is fuoly installed just no grahpical display`
`18:40.45`	`VPR5703`	`*fully`
`18:41.00`	`abrotman`	`what kind of video card?`
`18:41.13`	`mlots`	`benjamidees: How could it be an unsuppored controler when it's installed?`
`18:41.16`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: and naturally this mission falls into my hands.. regaurdless if I want it or not.`
`18:41.34`	`VPR5703`	`the system recongizes the card fine`
`18:41.39`	`VPR5703`	`it knows the DVD drive is on it`
`18:41.41`	`Harley^`	`I'm astonished I could still read that on the smaller monitor over on the other machine. The new Etch install on the big monitor machine is fantastic. I can read everything and the audio cues are working like a champ.`
`18:41.45`	`VPR5703`	`The problem is with me`
`18:41.52`	`benjamindees`	`he said he moved it, pay attention guys...`
`18:41.55`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: people are just going to have to be more pushy with him.. you cant leave him alone.. he wasnt stable to begin with`
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`18:42.01`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, where'd I go last night?`
`18:42.13`	`VPR5703`	`system knows the card is there, and knows the drive is on the card.`
`18:42.24`	`nvz`	`he's younger than me and already had a nervous breakdown.. and thats not going to be the last`
`18:42.25`	`VPR5703`	`Hell, it even got the model number and manufacturer of the DVD drive`
`18:42.43`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: you cant really push him to much`
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`18:42.48`	`Harley^`	`abrotman and goccias - thanks again.`
`18:42.51`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: are you guys gonna fix your starting rotation? :)`
`18:42.56`	`nvz`	`I'm honestly not prepaired to deal with it myself.`
`18:43.22`	`benjamindees`	`younger than I`
`18:43.29`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, Sometime after you find a SS and a CF`
`18:43.33`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: yeah well you understand why you cant let him just be alone anymore I am sure.`
`18:43.34`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: "dmesg\|grep ATA" of any help?`
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`18:43.43`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: damn it .. we have 42 infielders .. but no SS :)`
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`18:43.44`	`Pedro420`	`nvz`
`18:43.45`	`VPR5703`	`I dont know that command`
`18:43.48`	`Pedro420`	`nvz`
`18:43.53`	`VPR5703`	`Im new to Linux`
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`18:44.20`	`jjazz`	`abrotman: Shoulda kept OCab`
`18:44.25`	`abrotman`	`hell no`
`18:44.32`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: i understand that but if he doesn't want what you have to give you cant make him take it.`
`18:44.36`	`jjazz`	`He was better than Rentawreck.`
`18:44.37`	`goccias`	`Harley^: abrotman ain't done anything for you : why you tank him ? :)`
`18:44.37`	`kspath`	`fantasy baseball?`
`18:44.37`	`Pedro420`	`nvz`
`18:44.38`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: dmesg shows a log, grep searches for lines containing the text.`
`18:44.41`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: normal people have a healthy greiving period and they get over it.. this isnt a healthy person mentally`
`18:44.54`	`jjazz`	`kspath, yeah, the fantasy is that the Sox will do better than 3rd in the AL East next year.`
`18:44.59`	`streuner`	`VPR5703: throw out the controller and buy another one which is supported`
`18:45.00`	`VPR5703`	`I found where the drive and controller information is at`
`18:45.01`	`rdancer`	`hi, why does dhcp3-server say No subnet declaration for eth0 (10.0.0.13). -- i have this in /etc/dhcpd.conf: subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 10.0.0.3 10.0.0.254; }`
`18:45.05`	`Pedro420`	`nvzhe's fragile and to push might not be a good thing`
`18:45.08`	`VPR5703`	`It is supported`
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`18:45.09`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: better ... defensively .. but not offensively .. at this point .. i'd have taken you over renteria .. 30 damn errors`
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`18:45.10`	`nvz`	`he has absolutly nothing to drive him in any direction.. so the first crazy thought he gets he will act upon`
`18:45.15`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: dmesg\|less will let you view the entire log a page at a time. Use the forward slash key to search...`
`18:45.21`	`streuner`	`VPR5703: How do you know?`
`18:45.28`	`cmdKeen`	`in case package list is deleted (/var/lib/dpkg/status ?) is there some way to recover packages installed ?`
`18:45.34`	`VPR5703`	`The problem is ME`
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`18:45.45`	`VPR5703`	`I dont know the command to mount the DVD from a PCI card.`
`18:45.49`	`benjamindees`	`VPR5703, you added the ide card after installing?`
`18:45.57`	`VPR5703`	`No`
`18:45.59`	`VPR5703`	`it was there`
`18:46.05`	`VPR5703`	`The drive was not attatched to it`
`18:46.09`	`rdancer`	`cmdKeen: look in /var/backups`
`18:46.19`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, It's going to be a crazy year. Tight division, assuming the O's don't become the new Jays.`
`18:46.20`	`streuner`	`cmdKeen: /msg dpkg status-recovery`
`18:46.38`	`benjamindees`	`VPR5703, just reinstall, the ide controller should be supported...`
`18:46.44`	`VPR5703`	`OMG`
`18:46.45`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: i can't wait to see the Jays get lambasted for spending 110 million on those two piles of crap`
`18:46.45`	`VPR5703`	`IT IS!`
`18:46.57`	`VPR5703`	`That not my goddamned problem`
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`18:47.23`	`benjamindees`	`VPR5703, yeah I know your goddamn problem is you want somebody to explain how to move hardware around and reconfigure it`
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`18:47.30`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, they have to overspend-- no other way to attract talent.`
`18:47.38`	`VPR5703`	`No.`
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`18:47.40`	`benjamindees`	`which is a waste of time because you're a noob, just reinstall...`
`18:47.47`	`VPR5703`	`...`
`18:47.53`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: the only thing he really ever had to look forward to was spening time taknig trips with his mother and going and doing things with her all the time.. if someone doesn't pickup where she left off to give him some direction and the will to carry on, he's either going to end up dead or institutionalized`
`18:47.54`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: they didn't exactly sign any talent .. the best thing i saw they got was glaus`
`18:47.56`	`bitflesh`	`hi, I have strange connection problems: I have a debian gateway that does NAT for a small subnet, I can perfectly access at full bandwith all websites and stuff from the gateway, but trying from the LAN results in strage behaviours: certain sites function properly, other ones are fscking slow or not answering at all... any idea about what could it be?`
`18:48.10`	`yang`	`i am trying to do the backup of the broken disk...Seems some files got damaged becouse of inproper usage of fsck. But now if I boot the machine with lifiimage and mount it, I cannot access it, becouse there is no system installed on it, how could I solve this?`
`18:48.28`	`benjamindees`	`VPR5703, not to mention you're rebooting to get to the system at all...`
`18:48.40`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: /msg me the results of typing "dmesg\|grep ATA"`
`18:48.43`	`Pedro420`	`nvz`
`18:48.47`	`nvz`	`personally I need this stress like I need another fucking hole in my head.. I had one hell of a year myself and this is just one shitty way to end it`
`18:48.53`	`cmdKeen`	`streuner, thanks`
`18:49.00`	`VPR5703`	`Well, if I could get someone to listen to me...maybe this wuldnt be such an issue`
`18:49.13`	`VPR5703`	`mlots im on Windows right now`
`18:49.23`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, I like Glaus. He'll be good for them and they now have a surfeit of 3Bs to trade`
`18:49.25`	`streuner`	`VPR5703: i told you already...`
`18:49.26`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: Ugg, sorry.`
`18:49.27`	`benjamindees`	`yeah, well nobody's going to listen to you for an hour at a time...`
`18:49.41`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: now the last question is .. where will tejada go? :)`
`18:49.50`	`VPR5703`	`Ill get to that when I finish typing up the report of what dmesg says about the controller card oK?`
`18:50.01`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: you can help him but dealing with death is a personal struggle inside yourself. so he may except or refuse you being there for him`
`18:50.44`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, not to Boston. I think he's staying.`
`18:51.01`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: dunno .. i think it'd be a funny swap... tejada for rameriz :)`
`18:51.06`	`abrotman`	`err ramirez :)`
`18:51.12`	`VPR5703`	`ok`
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`18:51.17`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: I know, and the space that grew between us as he sat around doing nothing and I carried on with my life doesnt make this any easier`
`18:51.19`	`VPR5703`	`pasted the information`
`18:51.22`	`blondie`	`why would root get a normal-user path instead of an SU one (from login.defs)? either when logging in as root or su-ing to root`
`18:51.31`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, great deal for the Sox, but I don't think they'll get it. They'd have to throw in $, Papelbon and who knows what else.`
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`18:51.42`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: no it doesnt`
`18:51.52`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: maybe just clement .. and one of the 2342 other infielders they have :)`
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`18:52.20`	`petez`	`hi, i have a line "22222 stream tcp nowait bitlbee /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/bitlbee" in my inetd.conf, is there a way to reject everyone except localhost to connect to this port? or a way to only bind this port on localhost?`
`18:52.21`	`VPR5703`	`mlots Im going to send you the information in a /msg if thats OK?`
`18:52.32`	`abrotman`	`hosts.deny .. hosts.allow`
`18:52.39`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: his father's "fuck the kids" attidute as he once said to me while I was down there arguing with him one day.. doesnt help either.`
`18:52.49`	`benjamindees`	`is this fucking Dr. Phil now or what? If it is, you're going to get some straight talk in a minute if you don't take it elsewhere...`
`18:52.51`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, Clement+Manny = Tejada? Doubtful. Plus the O's will want a premium to keep Tejada in the division. I think both teams will tell their disgruntled stars "Sorry, we couldn't find a match."`
`18:53.01`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: sure`
`18:53.05`	`VPR5703`	`Ok`
`18:53.16`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: dunno .. it's a good deal for the O's .. they get manny .. and a decent pitcher`
`18:53.20`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: "ndiswrapper -l" too`
`18:53.31`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: I was drunk last night and shocked, so its not even hit me yet.. I'm going to me highly emotionally unstable myself once it sets in`
`18:53.52`	`VPR5703`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/1432`
`18:53.56`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: no shit`
`18:53.56`	`VPR5703`	`nevermind, I cant do it`
`18:53.59`	`VPR5703`	`use that instead.`
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`18:54.11`	`klock`	`HOORAH FOR NEW YEARS!`
`18:54.12`	`VPR5703`	`ndiswrapper is not installed`
`18:54.22`	`dephi`	`is anyone having trouble with fonts using flashplugin-nonfree, I can't see any text`
`18:54.29`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, Manny is more expensive and has no D`
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`18:54.43`	`blondie`	`klock: eh?`
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`18:55.03`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: he's not more expensive .. per year he is . but not life of contract .. and he's good enough .. he's an outfielder FFS ..`
`18:55.09`	`klock`	`blondie: whats your resolution`
`18:55.15`	`kspath`	`anyone ever use mouseemu to fool Xwin?`
`18:55.32`	`blondie`	`klock: 1280x1024`
`18:55.33`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, per year is the number that counts. Life of contract isn't the issue. It's how much per year vs. what you get for those years.`
`18:55.35`	`klock`	`blondie: mines 1280x1024 dang that was hilarious`
`18:55.35`	`blondie`	`why?`
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`18:56.03`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: I'm trying to get worked up about it now so I can try and control myself later`
`18:56.05`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: it's still money out .. doesn't matter .. manny can veto it anyways`
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`18:56.29`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: So "mkdir /mnt/cdrom;mount /dev/hde /mnt/cdrom" doesn't work? (sorry if I'm asking something you answered)`
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`18:56.29`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, would he? Who knows.`
`18:56.31`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: and you guys overpaid for damon :)`
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`18:56.38`	`VPR5703`	`I never tried it`
`18:56.42`	`goccias`	`dephi: talking firefox ? i see no problem using Shockwave Flash 7.0 r61`
`18:56.43`	`VPR5703`	`Let me write that down`
`18:56.44`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: though .. i do understand why`
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`18:57.26`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: i don't think manny would want to continue playing for AL East`
`18:57.32`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, agreed. But I think we had too. I would have preferred fewer years. He isn't worth 13mm/yr, but I can deal with spending an extra few mm over the life of the contract.`
`18:57.33`	`dephi`	`goccias: yeah, stupid question...needed gsfonts`
`18:57.39`	`kspath`	`I am dumb thought mouseemu was to avoid having a mouse /me slaps self`
`18:57.47`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: few extra? 13 million extra :)`
`18:57.50`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: Does apt-cdrom or dselect's select a cdrom etc help? I think aptitude has something for setting up the /etc/apt/sources.list`
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`18:58.10`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, we couldn't have had Damon just by matching Boston's offer.`
`18:58.15`	`VPR5703`	`Ill try those also`
`18:58.29`	`mlots`	`Anyone know where I can get some ndiswrapper support?`
`18:58.31`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: nope .. but 13 mil is a lot`
`18:58.35`	`abrotman`	`mlots: for debian ?`
`18:58.41`	`VPR5703`	`OK thanks mlots`
`18:58.50`	`mlots`	`abrotman: Sure.`
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`18:58.58`	`abrotman`	`mlots: i'm serious .. is it for debian?`
`18:58.58`	`VPR5703`	`Ill be back after I try those. Ill report my results to you.`
`18:59.09`	`zoid_`	`hi`
`18:59.10`	`abrotman`	`mlots: there is #ndiswrapper .. or here`
`18:59.16`	`abrotman`	`!tell mlots about ndis one-liner`
`18:59.23`	`Pedro420`	`nvz: well i'm gonna take a walk to radio shack and look around`
`18:59.26`	`abrotman`	`!tell mlots about ndiswrapper one-liner`
`18:59.46`	`Artem`	`I have a problem with Debian Sarge 3.1(stable/testing) - when i updated libpango1.0-0 and libglib2 from testing my x-server crashes when i close kde session. I need help`
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`18:59.54`	`nvz`	`Pedro420: the problem is I normally dont get emotional until afterwords.. but since its been so long since I've seen them its going to be harder to adjust to seeing them again under these circumstances`
`18:59.55`	`doleyb`	`Hey, I just upgraded sid firefox, and now it uses gtk file-save dialogs. How can I fix that?`
`18:59.55`	`mlots`	`abrotman: I can't use sarge or even sid. I have to compile my own package. so maybe it's debian.`
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`19:00.11`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, Sure, but the overpay wasn't 13mm. It was closer to half that. He wouldn't have come for $13mm less. The magic number was probably $12mm. But when you make a final offer, you have to really make it final..`
`19:00.21`	`abrotman`	`mlots: huh ?`
`19:00.22`	`jjazz`	`aw shit... cat just puked... gotta jey`
`19:00.25`	`jjazz`	`peace`
`19:00.33`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: hehe`
`19:00.50`	`goccias`	`cats are in love atm`
`19:00.56`	`Dave_SC`	`Can you tell me how to install a program on MEPIS?`
`19:01.02`	`abrotman`	`Dave_SC: #mepis`
`19:01.06`	`blondie`	`mew`
`19:01.12`	`benjamindees`	`Artem, downgrade`
`19:01.15`	`goccias`	`mine she's really fat and pretty :)`
`19:01.31`	`mlots`	`abrotman: that wouldn't help. I need to use version 1.6 (but preferably 1.7) of ndiswrapper. afaict sid only has 1.5`
`19:01.32`	`Artem`	`no`
`19:01.37`	`Dave_SC`	`MEPIS LINIUX is Debain base`
`19:01.47`	`abrotman`	`!info ndiswrapper-source sid`
`19:01.48`	`streuner`	`dpkg, debian based`
`19:01.48`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are not Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i".`
`19:01.51`	`nvz`	`Dave_SC: dpkg -i`
`19:01.53`	`abrotman`	`Dave_SC: ASK #mepis`
`19:01.55`	`dpkg`	`ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 126 kB, Installed size: 180 kB`
`19:02.10`	`abrotman`	`!info ndiswrapper-source experimental`
`19:02.11`	`benjamindees`	`Artem, go away then, and don't upgrade important system libraries without knowing the consequences...`
`19:02.13`	`dephi`	`another question, when the sysstat cronjob runs for several hours it spawns cron processes that never die and prevents users from logging in, any suggestions?`
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`19:02.27`	`nvz`	`Dave_SC: if its not a debian package then you should look at the install docs and talk to the upstream authors of the program`
`19:02.29`	`mlots`	`abrotman: I've already got the modules loaded, and the driver loaded.`
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`19:02.37`	`nvz`	`Dave_SC: deb's are installed using dpkg -i`
`19:02.44`	`mlots`	`abrotman: ndiswrapper -l shows the driver loaded, and the hardware loaded.`
`19:02.45`	`abrotman`	`mlots: then you're going to have to ask #ndiswrapper`
`19:02.51`	`abrotman`	`mlots: i've never used it`
`19:02.53`	`Artem`	`But i need to work with some programs from testing!`
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`19:03.03`	`donm`	`ok..... there is a new xserver-xorg`
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`19:03.20`	`nvz`	`man I am gonna be a nervous fucking wreck I can see it now`
`19:03.28`	`kspath`	`I avoid wireless like a plague except my 5.2Ghz phones`
`19:03.41`	`Dave_SC`	`I am, as you can tell , new at this, but want to change everything from MS to Linux, thanks`
`19:03.45`	`kspath`	`err 5.8Ghz`
`19:03.52`	`abrotman`	`Dave_SC: please ask #mepis`
`19:03.52`	`donm`	`how the hell i will install the Ati driver package because it requers the old versiion of xserver-xorg`
`19:04.19`	`nvz`	`Dave_SC: you should use debian if you want the support of the largest growing distro`
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`19:05.08`	`Dave_SC`	`so I have been told, just need a good "Crossover" OS till I figure it all out`
`19:05.08`	`kspath`	`Dave_SC: hint: make a backup of all your good/fun/useful data/files onto CDRs and/or DVDRs then go to #mepis`
`19:05.18`	`abrotman`	`so ask #mepis`
`19:05.26`	`nvz`	`Dave_SC: our distro is heavily based on policies and those policies in turn control what goes into our system and how its implemented.. when someone installs debian with the intention to make a live-disto they could make any number of changes against debian policy.`
`19:05.34`	`kspath`	`Dave_SC: Xandros until you are ready for the real Debian`
`19:05.50`	`abrotman`	`god .. just fucking install debian .. it's not hard`
`19:05.54`	`nvz`	`Dave_SC: so you need to talk to the people who actually package and use your software, or you need to try debian`
`19:05.59`	`benjamindees`	`Artem, backports.org?`
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`19:06.46`	`Artem`	`No. I have installed ATI drivers :)`
`19:07.00`	`Dave_SC`	`ok thanks, I am using a KDE box now, Debian based`
`19:07.11`	`Dave_SC`	`Just installed it last night`
`19:07.15`	`odla`	`and a bucket`
`19:07.15`	`benjamindees`	`Artem, good luck then...`
`19:07.27`	`goccias`	`odla: hell in a bucket i guess :)`
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`19:07.56`	`dvs`	`Happy new Year!`
`19:08.01`	`kspath`	`Dave_SC: great you are set debian-based \|= to debian see your distribution irc channel`
`19:08.30`	`donm`	`it is hard for me ... to move from fuckin windows`
`19:08.37`	`kspath`	`jjazz: bloody mary isnt breakfast?`
`19:08.49`	`Dave_SC`	`I know the feeling`
`19:08.58`	`valdyn`	`donm: why are you not using debian/stable?`
`19:09.10`	`De_Mon`	`i love that tactful 'debian based' answer`
`19:09.13`	`Eulex`	`donm, umh, you are running unstable when switching away from windows? unstable is unsupported`
`19:09.15`	`jjazz`	`kspath, my stomach is growling for it's new year's meal`
`19:09.21`	`donm`	`because i am stupid`
`19:09.36`	`donm`	`what can i do`
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`19:09.39`	`De_Mon`	`donm it's not because you're a cutting edge kinda guy?`
`19:09.48`	`valdyn`	`donm: reinstall and stick to stable`
`19:09.49`	`dvs`	`or risky`
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`19:10.06`	`VPR5703`	`OK.`
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`19:10.30`	`VPR5703`	`the midir command returned "invalid folder" error`
`19:10.34`	`VPR5703`	`*kmdir`
`19:10.37`	`VPR5703`	`mkdir`
`19:10.56`	`Eulex`	`VPR5703, where, how and when?`
`19:11.00`	`benjamindees`	`heh`
`19:11.01`	`De_Mon`	`i aliased aptitude='aptitude -t stable' and install a few packages from testing`
`19:11.07`	`abrotman`	`and what was the name of the folder ?`
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`19:11.24`	`jjazz`	`Is there any way to tell cron not to bother mailing me unless the process returns an error?`
`19:11.26`	`VPR5703`	`the whole command is mkdir /mnt/cdrom;mount/dev/hde /mnt/cdrom`
`19:11.35`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`19:11.42`	`valdyn`	`VPR5703: LC_ALL=C <command> for the english error, mkdir does not 'talk' about 'folder'`
`19:11.42`	`VPR5703`	`the folder error was at mount/dev/hde`
`19:11.46`	`Dave_SC`	`Later, I'm out`
`19:11.49`	`donm`	`i have more questions is there a problem to ask them because google really dont know many answers`
`19:11.56`	`De_Mon`	`jjazz command > /dev/null i believe`
`19:12.03`	`goccias`	`jjazz: > /dev/null 2>&1`
`19:12.07`	`VPR5703`	`kspath ignore me`
`19:12.11`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: set MAILTO=nobody`
`19:12.12`	`valdyn`	`donm: just ask, and just dont ask metaquestions`
`19:12.14`	`jjazz`	`De_Mon, goccias thanks`
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`19:12.17`	`De_Mon`	`isn't 2> errors?`
`19:12.20`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, But I want mail if there's an error`
`19:12.22`	`VPR5703`	`mlots`
`19:12.23`	`blondie`	`hmm, why would /etc/profile be different on one sarge install to another, when I haven't changed either?`
`19:12.27`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: oh sure .. fine .. be that way`
`19:12.28`	`goccias`	`jjazz: np`
`19:12.44`	`valdyn`	`blondie: it would not`
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`19:13.11`	`Fred21`	`Hello`
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`19:13.20`	`blondie`	`valdyn: well it is`
`19:13.34`	`blondie`	`one of them doesn't contain su stuff`
`19:13.44`	`goccias`	`blondie: you are making me looking all over my beloved sarge scared up like a child :)`
`19:13.58`	`Fred21`	`my isp only has pop3 to check mails but i don't want to send my password in plain to the remote server, help me`
`19:14.02`	`jjazz`	`blondie, what kind of su stuff does into profile?`
`19:14.10`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: you forgot a space after mount`
`19:14.17`	`VPR5703`	`oh`
`19:14.18`	`De_Mon`	`Fred21 uh, what?`
`19:14.19`	`valdyn`	`Fred21: we cant fix your isp`
`19:14.21`	`VPR5703`	`oops`
`19:14.24`	`VPR5703`	`Sorry about that`
`19:14.30`	`Fred21`	`is it possible to connect to ssh session then enter the remote server adress to send password crypted?`
`19:14.35`	`VPR5703`	`Im typing the results of dmesg\|grep ATA`
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`19:14.45`	`VPR5703`	`Ill paste the link in here when Im doen`
`19:14.47`	`VPR5703`	`*done`
`19:14.55`	`blondie`	`jjazz: the path`
`19:14.56`	`Eulex`	`Fred21, not if their server doesn't support it.`
`19:15.00`	`benjamindees`	`Fred21, nope`
`19:15.05`	`valdyn`	`Fred21: you have a ssh login to their server?`
`19:15.16`	`Fred21`	`valdyn: no`
`19:15.21`	`jjazz`	`blondie, ah, yes`
`19:15.30`	`VPR5703`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/1433.`
`19:15.34`	`donm`	`i have a tv tuner, and i didnt find any driver for it... i 've red in the forums that there are drivers in the kernel but... i dont know how to use them tv tuner packages did not recognize the hardware`
`19:15.41`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: mkdir /mnt/cdrom creates a directory. ; says there's another command. mount /dev/hde /mnt/cdrom says make the cdrom accessible under the /mnt/cdrom directory.`
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`19:15.56`	`De_Mon`	`he red the forums ;]`
`19:16.05`	`Fred21`	`valdyn: i've two computer at home, if i connect to the second pc via ssh and i check mails via mutt, is the password will be sent in crypted?`
`19:16.10`	`VPR5703`	`so I put a spce between dev/hde and mnt/cdrom`
`19:16.14`	`valdyn`	`blondie: because you installed a new kernel?`
`19:16.15`	`De_Mon`	`donm each tuner is different you will have to be, you know, SPECIFIC`
`19:16.17`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, yes it will`
`19:16.20`	`VPR5703`	`*do I`
`19:16.21`	`benjamindees`	`donm, oh boy, do you know the hardware and/or chipset?`
`19:16.22`	`blondie`	`valdyn: no I haven't changed anything`
`19:16.27`	`donm`	`my tuner is Pixelview playtv pro ultra Conexant`
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`19:16.47`	`Fred21`	`jjazz: is it the only solution when the isp doesn't use ssl?`
`19:16.58`	`De_Mon`	`donm and what drivers did the forumn say to use?`
`19:16.59`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, AFAIK, yes`
`19:17.03`	`mlots`	`VPR5703: yes. It's "mount <device node> <directory>" where there's spaces between each part...`
`19:17.07`	`valdyn`	`Fred21: this is a weird idea really`
`19:17.09`	`De_Mon`	`forum`
`19:17.09`	`VPR5703`	`ok`
`19:17.11`	`Eulex`	`donm, you will have to know the chipset. lspci or lsusb will maybe be able to find out.`
`19:17.13`	`blondie`	`this is all very impossible`
`19:17.19`	`VPR5703`	`whats the whole command and Ill try it again.`
`19:17.26`	`donm`	`ok`
`19:17.32`	`valdyn`	`Fred21: just because you run mutt in an ssh shell, that does not affect the way mutt grabs mail`
`19:17.36`	`mlots`	`of course <device node> is /dev/hde in your case and <director> is the new one I asked you to create.`
`19:17.45`	`VPR5703`	`right`
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`19:18.08`	`Eulex`	`Fred21, yes, the password will be sent encrypted to your other computer. no, it will still be sent unencrypted to your isp.`
`19:18.08`	`Fred21`	`many isp the world only have pop3 or not pop3s, smtps`
`19:18.09`	`donm`	`i know that the chip is conexant 304 or something...`
`19:18.11`	`jjazz`	`valdyn, yes, but the password you send to Mutt will go through the ssh connex. Then mutt just reads the local spool, so no pop password is sent.`
`19:18.18`	`donm`	`i dont know exactly`
`19:18.24`	`Eulex`	`Fred21, you're SOL`
`19:18.38`	`benjamindees`	`it would be nice to have an updated list of tv tuners compatible with Linux`
`19:18.58`	`Fred21`	`Eulex: the best way is used account as gmail?`
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`19:19.11`	`donm`	`ok i got progress`
`19:19.13`	`donm`	`0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and A udio Decoder (rev 05)`
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`19:19.22`	`Eulex`	`Fred21, umh, what? gmail has ssl support, yes.`
`19:19.26`	`Fred21`	`gmail and altern purpose pop3s, do you know another services with pop3s`
`19:19.28`	`VPR5703`	`ok mlots Im going to try it again.`
`19:19.36`	`VPR5703`	`Thatks again for the patience and help`
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`19:19.48`	`Fred21`	`Eulex: i've a gmail account, gmail and altern`
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`19:19.53`	`Eulex`	`Fred21, sorry, no.`
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`19:20.18`	`physis`	`hi all`
`19:20.24`	`donm`	`so ... how can i make it work`
`19:20.31`	`Fred21`	`Eulex: why isp only purpose pop3? is it expensive to enable pop3s?`
`19:20.38`	`Eulex`	`Fred21, don't ask me.`
`19:20.52`	`benjamindees`	`donm, http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/cx88.html`
`19:21.14`	`Fred21`	`freenode does'nt have ssl :-(`
`19:21.19`	`Fred21`	`it's a big problem`
`19:21.29`	`Fred21`	`i don't want to send my password in plain`
`19:21.31`	`physis`	`Guys, when I try up tun0 device I have "tun0: ERROR while getting interface flags:". net/tun.ko module it's loaded, but I can't use a tunnel. Anyone know what happen ? I'm using Ubuntu.`
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`19:21.41`	`_rene_`	`physis: wrong channel.`
`19:22.00`	`kspath`	`Fred21: ignorance and lack of standards and available common pop3 clients and customer demand`
`19:22.02`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, email is really insecure regardless. If you want security in email, use GPG`
`19:22.06`	`physis`	`_rene_, hummm.. why ? Isn't a debian litter problem? :P`
`19:22.10`	`Fred21`	`when i'm at school, i connect me to my house via ssh and i check my mail with mutt`
`19:22.15`	`Eulex`	`donm, "Note that the cx88 driver also is included in the 2.6.x kernels." -- just modprobe it if you use a 2.6 kernel`
`19:22.19`	`_rene_`	`physis: because this is no ubuntu channel and you use ubuntu`
`19:22.45`	`physis`	`_rene_, I think Ubuntu it's a debian too. But, thank's.`
`19:22.47`	`jjazz`	`physis, #ubuntu will be able to help you`
`19:22.48`	`donm`	`i am using exatly that kernel`
`19:22.48`	`mlots`	`What's the term setting for 80x25? I think xterm would work, but I'd rather use a console one as that's what I'm trying to set (linux-console or alike).`
`19:22.54`	`_rene_`	`physis: no, it's not`
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`19:23.02`	`donm`	`modprobe`
`19:23.03`	`_rene_`	`physis: it's based on it, it's not debian`
`19:23.20`	`physis`	`jjazz, I do this before go here :-(`
`19:23.26`	`physis`	`_rene_, ok. Thank's.`
`19:23.29`	`_rene_`	`physis: so you are wrong here with ubuntu-questions. go to a ubuntu channel`
`19:23.29`	`Fred21`	`jjazz: with gpg, if i send my mail via smtp, the mail will be encrypted?`
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`19:23.42`	`benjamindees`	`donm, modprobe cx88xx`
`19:23.49`	`jjazz`	`physis, Well, if they can't help you, your best bet is google. The Ubuntu forums have a lot of info for most problems.`
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`19:24.20`	`kspath`	`Fred21: main issue is the recipient must have enough clue to use PGP`
`19:24.32`	`physis`	`jjazz, I found this problem in forums, but no the answer. Thank you`
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`19:24.53`	`Fred21`	`what's the best way? use smtps or pgp?`
`19:24.54`	`donm`	`ok Thank you :)`
`19:24.56`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, you encrypt the mail on your box (in mutt), then it goes in encrypted form via smtp to the recipient. They unencrypted. Everybody in the middle would have a hard time reading the message.`
`19:25.03`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, use GPG`
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`19:25.45`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, mutt has pretty good gpg support. Actually, I would say it's very good.`
`19:26.05`	`Fred21`	`okk`
`19:26.33`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, the only obstacle is getting everybody else to use GPG.`
`19:26.39`	`Fred21`	`when i want to check mails, i use mutt... is it better my with .muttrc file or by fetchmail?`
`19:26.42`	`dvs`	`jjazz: Agreed`
`19:26.55`	`donm`	`says module not found, is there a way to see the exact name of the modules that respond to the "modprobe" command`
`19:27.08`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, I use fetchmail`
`19:27.13`	`kspath`	`Fred21: just remember if you send email to your non-computer literate friends/family they will not know what to do with PGP encrypted emails unless you tell them in extreme detail`
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`19:27.14`	`Fred21`	`jjazz: if i send a mail to my friend, he must to have my key to read the mail,`
`19:27.31`	`Fred21`	`jjazz: to use fetchmail, is it the port 25 open`
`19:27.32`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, upload your key to a public keyserver, like the MIT server`
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`19:27.50`	`benjamindees`	`donm, they're in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2*/kernel/drivers`
`19:27.57`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, fetchmail knows what port to open`
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`19:27.59`	`VPR5703`	`no luck there either`
`19:28.06`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, if you want to change it, man fetchmail`
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`19:28.14`	`VPR5703`	`but it knows its there because eject hde works fine`
`19:28.18`	`benjamindees`	`don_inlab, what does 'uname -r' say?`
`19:28.23`	`cahoot`	`Freak: I thought the idea was you encrypt with recipients pub key`
`19:28.27`	`benjamindees`	`donm, what does 'uname -r' say?`
`19:28.31`	`jjazz`	`cahoot, yes`
`19:28.31`	`goccias`	`Fred21: you can attach an encripted file . think zip or similar`
`19:28.34`	`Fred21`	`my isp filter the port 25 in out and in`
`19:28.54`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, you need a new ISP. Who is your ISP?`
`19:29.20`	`HugLeo`	`good new year`
`19:29.29`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: what did you do?`
`19:29.37`	`donm`	`2.6.12-1-386`
`19:29.49`	`benjamindees`	`Fred21, mine too, but you can get them to open it`
`19:29.51`	`dvs`	`HugLeo: How do you know? ;-)`
`19:29.59`	`VPR5703`	`mkdir /mnt/cdrom;mount /dev/hde/mnt/cdrom`
`19:30.02`	`VPR5703`	`I got two errors`
`19:30.10`	`donm`	`cuting edge... type...`
`19:30.12`	`VPR5703`	`One: /mnt/cdrom already exists`
`19:30.20`	`benjamindees`	`donm, okay so you compiled it yourself? if so, you may not have built the module...`
`19:30.20`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: that doesn't matter`
`19:30.28`	`Fred21`	`jjazz: belgacom in belgium`
`19:30.35`	`VPR5703`	`and two: mount: cant find /dev/hde/mnt/cdrom in /ect..`
`19:30.41`	`VPR5703`	`I forgot what exactly it wasy`
`19:30.42`	`Fred21`	`many isp in belgium filter the port25`
`19:30.43`	`VPR5703`	`*was`
`19:30.44`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: and of course you forgot to put a space between /dev/hde and /mnt/cdrom`
`19:30.55`	`kspath`	`Fred21: some ISPs have MTAs running on other ports but use SASL for authsmtp to get around that restriction`
`19:30.55`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, well, pop3 is port 110, fetchmail shouldn't need port 25 except on localhost, which your ISP can't do anything about.`
`19:31.05`	`benjamindees`	`donm, it's in the default 2.6.8 kernel in Sarge`
`19:31.06`	`HugLeo`	`dvs: What know?`
`19:31.11`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: try not to use the enter key so often, it's irritating`
`19:31.13`	`VPR5703`	`What would happen if I just tried mount /dev/hde and nothing else?`
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`19:31.16`	`donm`	`there is a black notepad beside me helpin'`
`19:31.18`	`dvs`	`HugLeo: It's a good year.`
`19:31.18`	`VPR5703`	`sorry.`
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`19:31.20`	`jjazz`	`Fred21, but I don't even use port 25 locally. I use fetchmail to grab the mail and then pass it to a perl script to deliver to mboxes in my userdir.`
`19:31.20`	`donm`	`so i am fuckes`
`19:31.32`	`donm`	`so i am fucked`
`19:31.35`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: nothing. man fstab to fix that. type "mount /dev/hde/ /mnt/cdrom"`
`19:31.52`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: erm, /dev/hde without slash`
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`19:31.54`	`HugLeo`	`dvs: My last year have go sad`
`19:31.59`	`kspath`	`Fred21: fetchmail and procmail are both awesome as is mutt check them out`
`19:32.03`	`donm`	`and i have to reinstall the debian`
`19:32.08`	`Fred21`	`ok`
`19:32.08`	`VPR5703`	`so jus type mount /dev/hde /mnt/cdrom?`
`19:32.10`	`benjamindees`	`jjazz, surely you send mail...`
`19:32.11`	`goccias`	`why not procmail ?`
`19:32.12`	`donm`	`?`
`19:32.13`	`Fred21`	`help me ;-)`
`19:32.20`	`clojster`	`stupid X :/`
`19:32.23`	`Fred21`	`i make a file .fethcmailrcisp1?`
`19:32.30`	`HugLeo`	`dvs: It year should better!`
`19:32.33`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: yes. man mount if in doubt`
`19:32.35`	`Fred21`	`i chmod it to 600`
`19:32.39`	`VPR5703`	`ok`
`19:32.41`	`HugLeo`	`dvs: I hope!`
`19:32.51`	`jjazz`	`benjamindees, right. I send mail on port 25, but presumably he can do that since he's already using mutt on his box at home. It's checking mail that's the problem.`
`19:32.53`	`donm`	`is that the only way`
`19:33.13`	`Fred21`	`i go to test it, i'll be back`
`19:33.14`	`benjamindees`	`jjazz, I thought he wanted encryption...`
`19:33.19`	`Fred21`	`thank for you help`
`19:33.20`	`clojster`	`and debian snapshots too... I cant choose another vesion to install when I add apropriate line in apt sources for snapshots :(`
`19:33.22`	`Fred21`	`se you`
`19:33.30`	`goccias`	`checking mail is 110`
`19:33.40`	`jjazz`	`benjamindees, I think he just wants some semblance of secure mail`
`19:33.52`	`benjamindees`	`jjazz, ah I see gpg...`
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`19:34.25`	`kspath`	`jjazz: some ISPs are finally blocking port25 I think Earthlink does still due to the large number of machines infected with the MS OS virii that makes them zombies spraying spam and crap everywhere`
`19:34.30`	`michael__`	`I'm using ndiswrapper to enable my wireless device. I use $modprobe ndiswrapper, configure the settings, then activate it. How can I do this on startup? I want to make a startup script but don't know what the startup folder is, or what to put in the bash file.`
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`19:34.33`	`goccias`	`ther is no securemail . gpg make your peer sure you send it`
`19:34.57`	`benjamindees`	`lazy worthless ISPs blocking outgoing SMTP...`
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`19:35.19`	`jjazz`	`kspath, a better solution would be to ban win boxes from the net`
`19:35.42`	`klock`	`:)`
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`19:36.02`	`benjamindees`	`my ISP blocks about twelve ports, 10 of which are Windows specific or Windows trojans...`
`19:36.16`	`HugLeo`	`jjazz: :]`
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`19:36.52`	`jjazz`	`benjamindees, well, I shouldn't talk. My ISP blocks incoming port 80. Stupid Verizon.`
`19:36.56`	`bloom`	`why does aptitude want to remove base-config when dist-upgrading sid? is base-config being removed or replaced, or is this a bug?`
`19:37.01`	`benjamindees`	`incoming port 80 and 25 just because they're dicks, and outgoing port 25 because they're complete dipshits`
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`19:37.34`	`kspath`	`jjazz: I agree completely`
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`19:37.57`	`kspath`	`I was a mail admin for years for a 300,000 subscriber ISP`
`19:38.00`	`goccias`	`benjamindees: so what happen if you telnet to read your mail ?`
`19:38.10`	`kspath`	`now I am an unemployed luser`
`19:38.15`	`jjazz`	`kspath, that sounds like a world of pain`
`19:38.25`	`yang`	`i am trying to do the backup of the broken disk...Seems some files got damaged becouse of inproper usage of fsck. But now if I boot the machine with lifiimage and mount it, I cannot access it, becouse there is no system installed on it, how could I solve this?`
`19:38.46`	`Molatov`	`reload`
`19:38.51`	`benjamindees`	`goccias, no dice, not on port 25 at least`
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`19:39.32`	`benjamindees`	`interesting: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnuradio/2005-08/msg00138.html`
`19:39.52`	`goccias`	`yang: google for Sleuth forensics`
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`19:40.32`	`Molatov`	`u r up the sticky end yang`
`19:41.00`	`TGoC`	`My debianutils is f*cked it tells me to remove it but if i do it i lose apache etc`
`19:41.04`	`donm`	`if i copy the files from the old kernel wl that work`
`19:41.05`	`TGoC`	`Anyone have an fix?`
`19:41.23`	`HugLeo`	`I trying install debian whitout CD media and Floopy, any idea?`
`19:41.23`	`goccias`	`benjamindees: this is bad, very bad : they are incompetent idiots`
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`19:42.21`	`madradrone`	`anyone know if/which vnc server works with xorg?`
`19:42.21`	`donm`	`i am asking you because i found 'cx8xx.ko' and 'cx800.ko'`
`19:42.33`	`jjazz`	`HugLeo, can you boot from a usb drive?`
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`19:42.45`	`benjamindees`	`donm, no they are kernel specific`
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`19:43.35`	`HugLeo`	`jjazz: No, in the HD`
`19:43.41`	`D13GU___`	`hi all!! how to set font on cosole?`
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`19:43.54`	`benjamindees`	`donm, sorry I wasn't paying attention, you don't have to reinstall Debian, just install the debian kernel or build the modules for the kernel you have`
`19:44.08`	`HugLeo`	`jjazz: I have a iso`
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`19:44.33`	`donm`	`i dont know how to build either modules or deb packages`
`19:44.54`	`benjamindees`	`donm, where did you get that kernel?`
`19:45.04`	`dvs`	`!kp`
`19:45.04`	`dpkg`	`[kp] To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too)`
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`19:46.14`	`frobnitz`	`Question about X.org 6.9: when I turn on EmulateWheel for button 2, scrolling works properly but a single click doesn't send a normal button event. EmulateWheelTimeout is recognized, so it seems like it should work. Any ideas?`
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`19:46.29`	`TGoC`	`dpkg: error processing debianutils (--configure):`
`19:46.29`	`TGoC`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:46.29`	`TGoC`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:46.40`	`TGoC`	`what can i do?`
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`19:46.47`	`donm`	`you mean the source list?`
`19:46.47`	`nkuttler`	`TGoC: what it says?`
`19:46.51`	`nkuttler`	`Molatov: what?`
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`19:47.01`	`dvs`	`Molatov: If you have nothing to say....`
`19:47.05`	`aimtrainer`	`Hi! Can anyone tell me if there are mods for amule like for emule? I would ask in #amule but I'm banned though I never been there ...`
`19:47.09`	`TGoC`	`nkuttler it said debianutils is in a very bad incosistent state`
`19:47.19`	`nkuttler`	`TGoC: yes, i read that`
`19:47.21`	`Molatov`	`?`
`19:47.22`	`benjamindees`	`donm, you got it from a 3rd party repository?`
`19:47.24`	`TGoC`	`and then i should reinstall it but if i do that i can practicly reinstall everything`
`19:47.41`	`nkuttler`	`TGoC: dpkg -i foo.deb or apt-get --reinstall`
`19:47.57`	`dvs`	`benjamindees: It looks like testing at least`
`19:48.02`	`decoy5657`	`just installed latest debian.... what's the best way to get openoffice2 installed?`
`19:48.03`	`TGoC`	`dpkg: error processing foo.deb (--install):`
`19:48.03`	`TGoC`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:48.17`	`nkuttler`	`TGoC: of course not`
`19:48.19`	`nkuttler`	`!foo`
`19:48.19`	`dpkg`	`well, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>`
`19:48.27`	`whitehorse1`	`Does anyone know the differences between the (testing) packages 'discover' and 'discover1' please? Function-wise do they examine the BIOS & determine installed hardware from there? In particular, do they do the same job - e.g. perhaps one is a fork to supersede the other?`
`19:48.28`	`donm`	`ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/sid/Release.gpg`
`19:48.28`	`donm`	`ftp://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/Release`
`19:48.28`	`donm`	`http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2`
`19:48.28`	`donm`	`http://www.linex.org/sources/linex/debian/dists/sarge/linex/binary-i386/Packages.gz`
`19:48.28`	`donm`	`http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/dists/../project/experimental/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2`
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`19:48.38`	`nkuttler`	`TGoC: /var/cache/apt/archives/foo.deb`
`19:48.53`	`benjamindees`	`dvs, ah, duh...`
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`19:49.39`	`benjamindees`	`donm, are you on testing/stable/unstable?`
`19:49.40`	`nkuttler`	`decoy5657: on stable?`
`19:49.53`	`whitehorse1`	`Does anyone know [and is able/willing to tell me - please do ;)] the differences between the (etch~testing) packages 'discover' and 'discover1' please? Function-wise do they examine the BIOS & determine installed hardware from there? In particular, do they do the same job - e.g. perhaps one is a fork to supersede the other?`
`19:49.54`	`decoy5657`	`not sure.`
`19:50.02`	`nkuttler`	`decoy5657: cat /etc/debian_version`
`19:50.05`	`whitehorse1`	`decoy5657: uname -r`
`19:50.09`	`donm`	`i think it is unstable`
`19:50.11`	`HugLeo`	`jjazz: I have a iso in the partition fat32. Distribution with knoppix is possible boot by the HD using the program loadlin`
`19:50.19`	`whitehorse1`	`nkuttler yep that'd be better :)`
`19:50.21`	`decoy5657`	`yes. i have 3.1`
`19:50.33`	`donm`	`because one or more of the source lista ... reads unstable`
`19:50.35`	`HugLeo`	`jjazz: Is possible too in debian?`
`19:50.44`	`whitehorse1`	`decoy5657: ah that's Sarge then aka Stable. :)`
`19:50.52`	`_rene_`	`whitehorse1: uh, look at the version and you'll see...`
`19:50.52`	`nkuttler`	`decoy5657: google openoffice backports... try backports.org`
`19:50.52`	`decoy5657`	`cool`
`19:51.12`	`donm`	`it is unstable...`
`19:51.22`	`TGoC`	`nkuttler foo does not exist?`
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`19:51.27`	`donm`	`can i stableize it :P`
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`19:51.31`	`decoy5657`	`awesome. thanks.`
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`19:51.35`	`_rene_`	`whitehorse1: it's so completely obvious...`
`19:51.53`	`whitehorse1`	`_rene_ er did you mean to reply to me with that? I was asking about the etch packages discover and discover1, having not been able to determine specifics from the debian.org package page`
`19:51.59`	`nkuttler`	`TGoC: hm, is that a philosophical question?`
`19:52.01`	`whitehorse1`	`_rene_ Perhaps. Not to me though :p`
`19:52.16`	`_rene_`	`whitehorse1: look at the version numbers`
`19:52.21`	`donm`	`wihout a hammer`
`19:52.23`	`whitehorse1`	`_rene_ Ok, brb :)`
`19:52.24`	`TGoC`	`uh it's just a normal question? :p`
`19:52.27`	`_rene_`	`"discover" is 2.0.7-2.1`
`19:52.28`	`nkuttler`	`TGoC: try apt-get --reinstall install whateverpackageyouwanttoreinstall`
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`19:52.34`	`_rene_`	`discover 1.7.17`
`19:52.36`	`_rene_`	`(in sid)`
`19:52.43`	`_rene_`	`get the idea?`
`19:52.56`	`_fred`	`hi. I have a font question. I use mainly 3 languages English, French and Chinese and sometimes Thai as well. Coming from windows all characters (even non-letters ones - like smileys or so) were being displayed correctly in all applications. What font should I use to achieve that under KDE?`
`19:53.00`	`whitehorse1`	`I'd only looked @ etch, going to have a look again now anyhow. back in a tick`
`19:53.06`	`_rene_`	`whitehorse1: same there`
`19:53.07`	`TGoC`	`thx nkuttler :D`
`19:53.10`	`TGoC`	`your the best!`
`19:53.14`	`_rene_`	`whitehorse1: same also in sarge.`
`19:53.25`	`donm`	`i dont know what to do`
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`19:53.42`	`_rene_`	`whitehorse1: it's so completely abvious that talking about that is a complete waste of time.`
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`19:54.04`	`benjamindees`	`donm, so, you need either a newer kernel, or the 2.6.8 kernel from sarge with the backported driver`
`19:54.26`	`D13GU___`	`where i see link sources list?`
`19:54.29`	`Shadowcat`	`is anyone having a problem with the latest nvidia-kernel-source in unstable?`
`19:54.37`	`TGoC`	`if i do apt-get upgrade now i get: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly`
`19:54.40`	`nkuttler`	`D13GU___: man sources.list?`
`19:54.45`	`nkuttler`	`TGoC: why?`
`19:54.52`	`HermanDE`	`Anybody have a good story about implementing mDNS with Macs?`
`19:55.01`	`D13GU___`	`nkuttler yes`
`19:55.16`	`TGoC`	`don't know nkuttler`
`19:55.25`	`Andrew_P`	`Did anyone has success with installing Sun Studio 11 on Sarge? It seems to use rpm utility during install, and Debian argues to use alien instead...`
`19:55.36`	`donm`	`i will reinstall the Debian ... but how to make it stable`
`19:55.37`	`nkuttler`	`TGoC: paste the output in #flood`
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`19:56.13`	`D13GU___`	`nkuttler ?`
`19:56.25`	`HugLeo`	`Anybody help -me ?`
`19:56.34`	`nkuttler`	`D13GU___: yes?`
`19:57.05`	`donm`	`i'll never get back to the money hungry winboz`
`19:57.15`	`D13GU___`	`nkuttler url to sources.list`
`19:57.17`	`benjamindees`	`donm, the 2.6.14-2 kernel in unstable has the correct driver`
`19:57.28`	`whitehorse1`	`_rene_ So you're saying that on the basis 'discover1+'discover1 data' are version 1.7x and 1.2x (respectively) in Testing and discover+discoverdata are versions 2.07/2.2 (respectively) again in Testing, that the 'discover1' package is deprecated and accordingly superseded by 'discover'? In other words, if I was to report a bug via BTS possibly in both then 'discover' would be the more important one really? I appreciate it's so obv`
`19:57.43`	`nkuttler`	`D13GU___: run apt-setup`
`19:58.00`	`_rene_`	`whitehorse1: yes. no, d-i uses discover1 for whatever reason, still iirc, so..`
`19:58.11`	`whitehorse1`	`er no, meant discover1 deprecated by discover`
`19:58.16`	`donm`	`ok i wil get it`
`19:58.20`	`_rene_`	`yes. I understood that`
`19:58.27`	`_rene_`	`discover1 is an older version`
`19:58.30`	`Andrew_P`	`So nobody tried Sun Studio?`
`19:58.35`	`_rene_`	`but since discover1 is used by the installer....`
`19:58.50`	`donm`	`where can i find more full source list to type in my settings`
`19:58.53`	`dvs`	`Andrew_P: On Linux?`
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`19:59.19`	`Andrew_P`	`Yeas, on Debian, I've asked about that a minute ago...`
`19:59.24`	`kspath`	`lol gentoo : http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ that is MUCH closer to hardcore`
`19:59.36`	`Andrew_P`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`20:00.18`	`kspath`	`if you want my debian, you will have to pry it from my cold dead hands`
`20:00.27`	`whitehorse1`	`_rene_ thank you I do appreciate you clearing me up on this. so in summary: best for me to stay with discover and report bug on that (if present) and forget about discover1 (plus silently hate on installer because it still uses discover1, of course). 99% clear but just wanna double-check to make sure I understood`
`20:00.28`	`benjamindees`	`Andrew_P, alien doesn't work?`
`20:01.12`	`Andrew_P`	`I'll try converting all those rpm's now, though it's not recommended. Studio has it's own graphical installed and it calls rpm :(`
`20:01.31`	`Andrew_P`	`*graphical installer`
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`20:02.39`	`_rene_`	`whitehorse1: imho not. just stick what the installer uses except you have a compelling reason to not do so. there might be a reason discover1 is used`
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`20:03.07`	`_rene_`	`whitehorse1: like 2 having some bugs. or not that complete device-list because of restructuring, or doesn't know about old hw anymore, or whatever`
`20:03.18`	`_rene_`	`whitehorse1: if you really want to know, ask the d-i developers`
`20:03.23`	`benjamindees`	`Andrew_P, it has an installer, to install the rpm?`
`20:03.36`	`whitehorse1`	`_rene_ nod makes sense`
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`20:03.41`	`micahf`	`so if I'm using PAP or CHAP, can the secret be random?`
`20:03.53`	`Andrew_P`	`Yes, the installer calls rpm utility itself - somewhat ugly installer :)`
`20:04.06`	`micahf`	`or must it be the password for my ISP?`
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`20:05.14`	`colk`	`where would a add on ultra ata card be in dev`
`20:05.15`	`Andrew_P`	`And alien fails to convert some rpm's :(`
`20:05.47`	`Andrew_P`	`dpkg-shlibdeps fails to be exact...`
`20:05.52`	`dvs`	`colk: Are there drives on the new card?`
`20:06.09`	`colk`	`yes`
`20:06.14`	`colk`	`its a silicon image card`
`20:06.15`	`Andrew_P`	`So will try installing Sun Studio on Solaris or whenever else...`
`20:06.17`	`dvs`	`colk: I'd try fdisk -l`
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`20:06.28`	`colk`	`hmm weird`
`20:06.34`	`colk`	`its listing the drives`
`20:06.41`	`colk`	`not listing the drives`
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`20:06.44`	`colk`	`rather`
`20:06.45`	`colk`	`:P`
`20:07.08`	`dvs`	`colk: That is a lowercase "L" by the way.`
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`20:07.22`	`signius`	`is it poss to search for another room on this irc with part of what you think might be the rooms name ?`
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`20:08.30`	`donm`	`i have a trick question... :) what is better : Gnome or KDE or...`
`20:08.34`	`ILF_`	`wtf, my dma doesn't work. http://pastebin.com/486269 did this: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/DMA`
`20:08.42`	`HugLeo`	`signius: #flood`
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`20:09.03`	`kyncani`	`!tell donm about better`
`20:09.06`	`ILF_`	`donm: that's a stupid flamewar-question`
`20:09.09`	`benjamindees`	`!start a de war`
`20:09.16`	`benjamindees`	`!start a DE war`
`20:09.26`	`dvs`	`!start a gui war`
`20:09.31`	`dvs`	`doh`
`20:09.34`	`donm`	`i know.`
`20:09.37`	`benjamindees`	`!start a desktop war`
`20:09.37`	`dpkg`	`GNOME is better then KDE, period.`
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`20:09.40`	`kspath`	`tty uber alles`
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`20:09.45`	`dvs`	`!beer benjamindees`
`20:09.45`	`donm`	`ok`
`20:09.54`	`benjamindees`	`woot`
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`20:12.07`	`VPR5703`	`now ive got a problem with X-Window`
`20:12.23`	`beren`	`how do I apply the patches from kernel-tree package before compiling a kernel?`
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`20:13.10`	`VPR5703`	`when I reboot, it goes throgh the normal process, and the screen blinks three times, and returns me to the text shell with the login prompt`
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`20:13.21`	`roue`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:13.31`	`dvs`	`VPR5703: Look in /var/log/XFree86.log for (EE)`
`20:13.35`	`dvs`	`the last occurance`
`20:13.42`	`VPR5703`	`hmmm.`
`20:13.45`	`nkuttler`	`VPR5703: do you have network?`
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`20:13.57`	`kspath`	`roue: dpkg --reconfigure-exim4 ?`
`20:14.00`	`VPR5703`	`Not a good one.`
`20:14.06`	`VPR5703`	`I cant wire my computer`
`20:14.10`	`roue`	`kspath - thanks I'll try that`
`20:14.12`	`boldstrike`	`can anyone tell me how to adjust screen resolution? somehow i can't increase the resolution above 800X600`
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`20:14.27`	`ILF_`	`anyone know how to make dma work on my asus a7n8x? http://pastebin.com/486269 doesn't work. did this: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/DMA`
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`20:14.44`	`dvs`	`boldstrike: The most important thing is to make sure you have the right frequencies for your monitor`
`20:14.46`	`SimonRaven`	`roue: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config`
`20:14.50`	`kspath`	`the GUI is dumbing down the linux base`
`20:14.59`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: i found that adding NOAPIC NOLAPIC to the grub command line fixes it. I had the same problem`
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`20:15.02`	`boldstrike`	`dvs: how do i check that?`
`20:15.14`	`ILF_`	`bobbens: or disabling apic in bios?`
`20:15.16`	`kspath`	`thanks SimonRaven I am dumb and tired bad combo`
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`20:15.21`	`VPR5703`	`Im just going to format the EXT3 partition and redo the install.`
`20:15.28`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: havent tried that, i just disabled it in grub and it works fine, no complaints`
`20:15.32`	`SimonRaven`	`kspath: more like less technically adept people getting involved`
`20:15.37`	`ILF_`	`bobbens: will try, thx`
`20:15.42`	`dvs`	`boldstrike: I'd look in the /etc/X11/XF86Config file for the Monitor section`
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`20:16.17`	`Mandrig`	`boldstrike, did you get my messages?`
`20:16.25`	`kspath`	`SimonRaven: the GUI is reducing their exposure and slowing/retarding their learning`
`20:16.30`	`roue`	`hmm. dpkg doesn't appear to have a --reconfigure or --reconfigure-exim4 flag, and I don't seem to have a dpkg-reconfigure command.`
`20:16.38`	`VPR5703`	`not when you cant get into it! LOL`
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`20:16.56`	`kspath`	`roue: read what SimonRaven said to you`
`20:16.57`	`boldstrike`	`Mandrig: yes`
`20:16.57`	`HugLeo`	`bay bay, friends`
`20:17.10`	`dvs`	`lake, lake`
`20:17.17`	`kspath`	`SimonRaven> roue: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config`
`20:17.40`	`jet`	`https://profits4investingtoo.com/?ref=investmaster1`
`20:17.41`	`jet`	`https://profits4investingtoo.com/?ref=investmaster1`
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`20:17.58`	`kspath`	`roue: are you using Debian?`
`20:17.59`	`roue`	`ah, thanks. that's odd.`
`20:17.59`	`benjamindees`	`!ops jet spam`
`20:18.00`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: jet spam`
`20:18.00`	`roue`	`yes.`
`20:18.02`	`roue`	`sarge.`
`20:18.18`	`jet`	`https://profits4investingtoo.com/?ref=investmaster1`
`20:18.21`	`roue`	`I looked for the dpkg-reconfigure in my path and didn't find it. but it ran anyway. :)`
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`20:18.38`	`kspath`	`jet: that is what we are to report to SEC and BBB and FBI and freenode?`
`20:18.57`	`TGoC`	`Preparing to replace openssl 0.9.7e-2 (using .../openssl_0.9.7e-3_i386.deb) ...`
`20:18.57`	`TGoC`	`E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly`
`20:19.11`	`TGoC`	`dpkg: error processing openssl (--configure):`
`20:19.11`	`TGoC`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:19.11`	`TGoC`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`20:20.10`	`ludi`	`My debian box fails to boot. It goes into maintenance mode and says "Press CTRL+D" and some other stuff.`
`20:20.36`	`ludi`	`I ran fsck several times but it still fails.`
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`20:20.43`	`dvs`	`ludi: Your file system is corrupt`
`20:20.51`	`ludi`	`Ack`
`20:21.10`	`beren`	`his file system accepts bribes?`
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`20:21.20`	`dvs`	`!smack beren`
`20:21.25`	`beren`	`hey!`
`20:21.26`	`mdshort`	`I just replaced old crunky FC2 with debian and alternative components... I can't believe how much memory there is to spare now...`
`20:21.30`	`TGoC`	`My openssl is crashing during upgrade, apt-get --reinstall install openssl is also not working, what can i do?`
`20:21.33`	`Deepa`	`!smack dpkg`
`20:21.54`	`ludi`	`So do I have to format and reinstall?`
`20:21.56`	`bobbens`	`TGoC: maybe try removing or purging it and reinstalling it`
`20:21.59`	`SimonRaven`	`@ops jet is spamming URIs`
`20:22.00`	`ravenbird`	`Hydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: jet is spamming URIs`
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`20:22.17`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh, leave you coward`
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`20:22.19`	`TGoC`	`bobbens removing is out of the question cause if i remove it alot of packages will be removed along`
`20:22.51`	`mdshort`	`I have vhcs2 installed on my debian system, does anyone have any tips on optimizing apache2, mysql, and php? Also, for some reason, the session folder cannot be written to. Any clues?`
`20:22.54`	`ludi`	`Is there a way to fix the corrupt filesystem?`
`20:23.10`	`mdshort`	`ludi fsck`
`20:23.20`	`dvs`	`ludi: Get a CD distro and try and fix it from there.`
`20:23.23`	`ILF_`	`bobbens: nope, neither disabling it in bios nor adding NOAPIC NOLAPIC to grub worked :(`
`20:23.46`	`ludi`	`mdshort: I ran fsck several times but the problem still occurs`
`20:24.18`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: mmm i use the A7N8X-X basic motherboard and i just had to add that (well i installed it as "exper26 noapic nolapic") and i fixed the DMA error`
`20:24.31`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: my friend with the deluxe version also got it working like that`
`20:24.57`	`Mandrig`	`This is going to sound very stupid, but I can't see or there aren't any items on my desktop, and there were before I rebooted`
`20:24.58`	`ILF_`	`i got the same board`
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`20:25.35`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: thats strange... i also had to use 2.6 kernels, had trouble with 2.4 might be that`
`20:25.44`	`ILF_`	`got 2.6.14-2`
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`20:27.00`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: wierd... i'm using the latest 2.6.14, noapic nolapic on grub and it works fine. But it's worked fine with 2.6.4 and above`
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`20:29.00`	`Nei`	`hi, is there an easy way to instruct apt-get/aptitude to install all the according -dev packages to the packages I select?`
`20:29.03`	`beren`	`is there a way to get a list of available meta packages?`
`20:30.02`	`cheal`	`!wayttd Nei`
`20:30.02`	`dpkg`	`What Are You Trying To Do, Nei?`
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`20:31.38`	`ILF_`	`bobbens: what modules do you load? amd74xx and #ide-disk commented out?`
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`20:32.09`	`Jinkguns`	`is it a good idea to make /etc a seperate partition for backup purposes?`
`20:32.32`	`kyncani`	`for backup purposes -> not needed`
`20:32.38`	`Nei`	`I'd just like to have all the headers and config programs ready when I want to compile things on my own instead of then having to look up all the things I'm missing`
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`20:33.20`	`ludi`	`How do I fix filesystem corruption? I have ran fsck many times but my system still fails to boot up`
`20:33.53`	`cheal`	`beren: if searching descriptions for meta isn't reliable, no`
`20:33.53`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: i actually do load ide_disk and amd74xx`
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`20:35.18`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: i'm pretty much using a standard testing sarge installation from last year, only major changes are noapic nolapic`
`20:35.52`	`cheal`	`Nei: having the -dev packages associated to the packages you have installed doesn't mean that you won't need to install headers if you want to recompile something`
`20:36.28`	`Mandrig`	`how do i log in as root?`
`20:36.32`	`benjamindees`	`I seem to remember noapic didn't work for me on the kernel line either; had to rebuild the kernel`
`20:36.32`	`clojster`	`oh no... how can I downgrade x-window-system when I have correct line in sources.list from snapshot.debian.net?`
`20:36.33`	`Nei`	`cheal, I don't quite understand :/`
`20:36.40`	`dvs`	`Mandrig: Into X?`
`20:36.49`	`Mandrig`	`no, into debian`
`20:37.22`	`bizkit`	`:-)`
`20:37.23`	`kyncani`	`!tell Nei about apt-build`
`20:37.32`	`Mandrig`	`sorry, im quite new at this`
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`20:37.53`	`benjamindees`	`for username, type 'root', then enter the root password`
`20:38.18`	`Mandrig`	`it then says that the system admin cannot login at that form`
`20:38.20`	`micahf`	`hey, what dialer does gnome use`
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`20:38.32`	`Jinkguns`	`Uhh, I've never noticed before, is lilo the default bootmanger after a disk installation?`
`20:38.44`	`ILF_`	`Jinkguns: no. grub iirc`
`20:38.46`	`benjamindees`	`Mandrig, that would be X then...`
`20:38.50`	`micahf`	`because wvdial detects a different modem than the network control panel`
`20:38.57`	`Nei`	`kyncani, thanks for the info but I really like mixing traditional way to install software with the benefits of debian binary packages without looking too much at some strange software that overcomplicates things for the quick shot`
`20:39.07`	`Jinkguns`	`Then why did Lilo install.`
`20:39.13`	`Jinkguns`	`Is it because I used XFS`
`20:39.15`	`Jinkguns`	`?`
`20:39.15`	`ILF_`	`Jinkguns: maybe you chose it?`
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`20:39.39`	`kyncani`	`Nei: traditional way to install software with debian is apt-get`
`20:39.46`	`Jinkguns`	`I NEVER saw a option for boot manager.`
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`20:40.13`	`hiacynt`	`phj`
`20:40.20`	sL`on\|Gee	`hi, i want to install debian on my IBM T23, but I can't get the installation Packages from the ftp, I can't also ping my T23 from my (this) windows machine, but I typed the right gateway,dns-server ans subnetmask`
`20:40.22`	`Nei`	`kyncani, I'm not talking about DEBIAN traditional but rather ./configure&&make and`
`20:40.33`	`clojster`	`ok, another try: whats the problem with newest Xorg (6.9.0) in unstable and nvidia? (Log file of X.org seems allright, but when I start X the display is black and nothing happens... I cant switch to another tty. Three-finger-salute is the only way out of it :/ )`
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`20:40.59`	`Nei`	`I don't feel like making debian packages out of every crap and researching the dependencies and all that trouble`
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`20:41.33`	`benjamindees`	`Nei, you're in the minority; there's no support for that`
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`20:42.54`	`Nei`	`benjamindees, see, you could have just answered "debian cant do it" right from the start. thanks`
`20:43.16`	`cheal`	`clojster: what's the last thing is the log?`
`20:43.38`	`benjamindees`	`Nei, yeah but messing with you is more fun :p`
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`20:44.36`	`bbrazil`	`Nei: you are free to use /usr/local for whatever you want`
`20:46.31`	`benjamindees`	`auto-apt works too, but being fussy and quitting means you don't get to find that out :(`
`20:46.32`	`ILF_`	`clojster: no problem for me with xorg 6.9 and nvidia-module`
`20:48.07`	`ILF_`	`bobbens: you do have apic on in bios?`
`20:49.02`	`cheal`	`nei: I mean that the only way to have all headers ready for compiling anything would be to install all the possible headers (assuming they're all packaged for Debian)`
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`20:52.13`	`odla`	`tarzeau: ocp is pretty sweet`
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`20:52.46`	`tarzeau`	`odla: yap indeed`
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`20:55.06`	`micahf`	`hey does anyone use dialup?`
`20:55.25`	`ILF_`	`you do know it's 2006, right?`
`20:55.25`	`blondie`	`micahf: dialup? what's that?`
`20:55.30`	`micahf`	`thanks`
`20:55.36`	`nkuttler`	`!does anyone use dialup?`
`20:55.51`	`micahf`	`well this is annoying because i can connect to earthlink but not copper.net`
`20:56.16`	`benjamindees`	`copper.net is the free one with the windows software?`
`20:56.20`	`micahf`	`no`
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`20:56.31`	`micahf`	`supposedly people have it working on linux`
`20:56.32`	`odla`	`tarzeau: how do i select multiple songs?`
`20:56.43`	`tarzeau`	`odla: dunno, #ocp`
`20:56.49`	`micahf`	`they don't officially support windows but it's supposed to work`
`20:57.15`	`micahf`	`it works with the mac os x dialer`
`20:57.21`	`micahf`	`so shouldn't it work with linux?`
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`20:59.42`	`benjamindees`	`I would totally try to hack one of the free ones before trying to use one that's $10/mo and doesn't support Linux...`
`20:59.52`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: yes last time i checked i remember still having APIC set on bios`
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`21:00.20`	`micahf`	`benjamindees, well you can hack the free ones but they always change your username and password to something random`
`21:00.29`	`blondie`	`dial up networking is OS-dependent? what are you using, AOL?`
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`21:00.53`	`micahf`	`I'm using copper.net`
`21:01.02`	`micahf`	`http://www.copper.net/index.asp?page=/support/support.aspx&`
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`21:01.14`	`micahf`	`look, it works with mac os x, so why can't wvdial do it?`
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`21:01.28`	`blondie`	`never used dial up on linux o.o`
`21:01.38`	`micahf`	`this is frustrating`
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`21:03.05`	`blondie`	`micahf: dial up is that way even when it works :S`
`21:03.18`	`micahf`	`well thanks`
`21:03.22`	`micahf`	`it's for my grandparents`
`21:03.28`	`micahf`	`they can't get cable`
`21:03.36`	`benjamindees`	`oh, the conexant modem :(`
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`21:03.58`	`micahf`	`yes`
`21:04.03`	`micahf`	`the conexant modem`
`21:04.05`	`benjamindees`	`no dialtone?`
`21:04.11`	`micahf`	`I have a dialtone`
`21:04.16`	`micahf`	`it dials`
`21:04.23`	`micahf`	`it connects fine with earthlink`
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`21:04.33`	`micahf`	`but it hangs up with exit code 16 for copper.net`
`21:04.39`	`vmlinuz`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: :-)`
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`21:04.48`	`micahf`	`plus I can't get PAP to work with gnome-ppp`
`21:04.58`	`Jinkguns`	`During installation, how do I select more then one source?`
`21:05.02`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`vmlinuz: Hey.... Where's paces? :-D`
`21:05.05`	`micahf`	`it doesn't have permission to edit the files`
`21:05.13`	`vmlinuz`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: he's lost :)`
`21:05.15`	`blondie`	`Jinkguns: it asks "do you want to add another source?"`
`21:05.23`	`Jinkguns`	`No. It dosen.t`
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`21:05.31`	`blondie`	`Jinkguns: does`
`21:05.33`	`blondie`	`:\|`
`21:05.34`	`Jinkguns`	`It asked it one time, but when I reinstall, never asked again.`
`21:05.37`	`blondie`	`does for me anyway`
`21:05.39`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`vmlinuz: You killed him...`
`21:05.40`	`Jinkguns`	`I've done 15 installations.`
`21:05.41`	`vmlinuz`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: his connection has broken down :-)`
`21:05.49`	`blondie`	`Jinkguns: just add them to sources.list then`
`21:05.50`	`ILF_`	`bobbens: well i have tried it on and off in bios, with ide-disk in and out of mudules, with noapic nolapic and pci=noacpi. nothing works :(`
`21:05.59`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`vmlinuz: And yours? :-D`
`21:06.17`	`vmlinuz`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT: mine is ok :)`
`21:06.32`	`odla`	`tarzeau: i love ocp`
`21:06.35`	`odla`	`it's very nice`
`21:06.41`	`mdshort`	`lol`
`21:06.43`	`mdshort`	`i love debian`
`21:06.45`	`mdshort`	`for servers`
`21:07.07`	`odla`	`it's amazing what you can do with #, =, and _ to make a nice gui mixer`
`21:07.18`	`blondie`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT and vmlinuz take your private messages... to PM`
`21:07.20`	`vmlinuz`	`me too`
`21:07.24`	`benjamindees`	`ILF_, you might try rmmod'ding the sound card and/or usb controller`
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`21:07.46`	`bizkit`	`!gentoosmite mdshort`
`21:07.48`	`vmlinuz`	`blondie: :-*`
`21:08.14`	`Jinkguns`	`Out of these 15 installations, it has asked me twice to if I wanted to add another choice.`
`21:08.19`	`ILF_`	`benjamindees: i haven't read anything about that..`
`21:08.20`	`tarzeau`	`odla: i love it too, the spectrum analyzer is mesmerizing ;)`
`21:08.21`	`Jinkguns`	`Grub dosen't play nice with XFS. ghey.`
`21:08.27`	`ILF_`	`what list should i write my experiences to?`
`21:08.30`	`tarzeau`	`odla: try xterm with 1024x100 and the unreadable font`
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`21:08.53`	`Jmax`	`is there anyway to have numlock turned on on boot?`
`21:09.11`	`odla`	`tarzeau: is there a way to navigate around the spectrum?`
`21:09.13`	`Frosted`	`well, where else than the bios to find out?`
`21:09.14`	`Frosted`	`:)`
`21:09.17`	`tarzeau`	`odla: yep`
`21:09.25`	`tarzeau`	`odla: try a, A, A, tab, pgup/down`
`21:09.27`	`bipolar`	`I'm trying to exclude directory's in a tar backup with no luck. Can anyone give me any tips on the --exclude option?`
`21:09.28`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`Jmax: After start X?`
`21:09.42`	`bizkit`	`hey tarzeau, odla .. sounds interesting, what are you talking about?`
`21:09.44`	`Jmax`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT, sure`
`21:09.59`	`tarzeau`	`bizkit: apt-get install opencubicplayer`
`21:10.00`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`Jmax: Which WM?`
`21:10.02`	`odla`	`tarzeau: cool!`
`21:10.08`	`Jmax`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT, xfce`
`21:10.10`	`tarzeau`	`odla: try altgr-\ and then f9 to f12`
`21:10.16`	`tarzeau`	`odla: it can control pitch and speed of music!`
`21:10.24`	`tarzeau`	`odla: that is so TEH killer fun!`
`21:10.29`	`Blissex`	`bipolar: not much to say about it, and note the difference between excluding the directory, and excluding it and everything under it. Try 'info tar' for the user manual`
`21:10.31`	`tarzeau`	`odla: make slow music slower, and fast music faster...`
`21:10.41`	`kaleb`	`vad �r det f�r troligt fel om jag bara kan se tj�nster i nmap fr�n localhost?`
`21:10.52`	`bizkit`	`tarzeau: is there a way to crossfade between songs?`
`21:10.52`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`Jmax: Oh... so write it in xorg.config`
`21:10.57`	`odla`	`tarzeau: altgr?`
`21:11.01`	`tarzeau`	`bizkit: ask for it in #ocp`
`21:11.02`	`Jmax`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT, k, will google`
`21:11.07`	`tarzeau`	`odla: alt (on the right side?)`
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`21:11.30`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, english please? and either it's only listening on localhost or there's a firewall`
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`21:12.40`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: Its the imap, and I cannot see any options in the conffiles for only listening to localhost, firewall I have none on the server`
`21:12.40`	`bipolar`	`Blissex: thanks. the info page has a lot more data then the man page.`
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`21:13.19`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, what does netstat -a show? if it sayes something like localhost:port it's only listening on localhost.`
`21:13.21`	`odla`	`see ya'll later!`
`21:13.35`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: one sec ill check`
`21:13.54`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: i'm sorry to hear that, doesn't look like debian likes your mobo`
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`21:14.20`	`ILF_`	`bobbens: dude, it's exactly the same as yours`
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`21:14.33`	`benjamindees`	`heh`
`21:14.38`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: it says listening on debian:imap2`
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`21:14.41`	`foampeace`	`hi`
`21:14.55`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: what debian are you trying to isntall`
`21:14.59`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: is my router connection my two computers the culprit?`
`21:15.12`	`foampeace`	`does the netinst iso have pppoe?`
`21:15.31`	`ILF_`	`bobbens: unstable. and it's been running for a year. just switched mobos a few weeks back`
`21:15.33`	`benjamindees`	`foampeace, I would hope so`
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`21:15.35`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, hm, if you havn't configured it to route the port, then it won't :)`
`21:15.57`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, unless your on the dmz`
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`21:16.32`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: hmm, im not, I thought my router forwarded every port within the switch`
`21:16.55`	`Blissex`	`bipolar: yes, for GNU programs most 'man' pages are only skeletons, all the real docs are in the 'info' page.`
`21:17.26`	`bobbens`	`ILF_: mmmm this is very strange, it could have to do with the differences in the new installers, but i dont know. I haven't tried any newer CD's then my ancient sarge testing netinst, which has worked like a charm... After installing i upgrade to unstable, but i never have any problems.`
`21:17.31`	`benjamindees`	`foamspace, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerFAQ -- question #26`
`21:18.29`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, if it's just two computers on a switch, then there shouldn't be a problem`
`21:18.53`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, does ssh work?`
`21:18.58`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: yes`
`21:20.11`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`dpkg: sing happy birthday vmlinuz`
`21:20.36`	`vmlinuz`	`my birthday is on 2th march, not today :)`
`21:20.43`	`vmlinuz`	`*2nd`
`21:20.49`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`vmlinuz: LOL`
`21:21.04`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, what does debian resolve to?`
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`21:21.16`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: how do I check that?`
`21:21.22`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, ping debian`
`21:21.25`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`!help`
`21:21.38`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: localhost`
`21:21.47`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, ok, so that's the problem then`
`21:21.56`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: why?`
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`21:22.13`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, it will only accept connections from localhost`
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`21:22.25`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: do you have any hint how to change that?`
`21:22.39`	`jlj`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:22.41`	`ke6isf`	`!tell SIDEREAL-KNIGHT -about msg the bot`
`21:22.56`	`Frosted`	`kaleb, sorry, someone else might know, maybe if you tell us what imap service it is.`
`21:23.15`	`vmlinuz`	`!tell ke6isf i love you`
`21:23.17`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: I have checked /etc/courier/* for anything about accepting from others but to no avail`
`21:23.19`	`SIDEREAL-KNIGHT`	`ke6isf: ;)`
`21:23.37`	`micahf`	`does anyone know how to authenticate manually with dialup?`
`21:23.38`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: thanks a million anyway`
`21:23.43`	`Frosted`	`np`
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`21:24.08`	`ludi`	`how do I fix my filesystem?`
`21:24.23`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: Well, what's wrong with it?`
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`21:24.38`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: What fs, what flavor of Debian?`
`21:24.48`	`ludi`	`ke6isf: when my linux box boots up, it goes to "maintenance" mode`
`21:24.53`	`ludi`	`debian "etch"`
`21:25.05`	`ludi`	`It says I can login as root or press CTRL+D`
`21:25.20`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: OK, what's causing that to happen?`
`21:25.38`	`ludi`	`I have no idea`
`21:25.54`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: What error message comes up before it prompts you to enter a password?`
`21:26.11`	`ludi`	`it says something like "failed routine check of root filesystem"`
`21:26.19`	`ludi`	`don't remember the exact words`
`21:26.23`	`kaleb`	`Frosted: I solved it, you were right, /etc/courier/imap had listen to which needed to be set to 0 instead of localhost, thanks again`
`21:26.27`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: Are you on that system?`
`21:26.29`	`ludi`	`yes`
`21:26.32`	`clojster`	`cheal: last thing in the log is that Xorg successfully loaded wacom intuos... there is no error in the log...`
`21:27.04`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: What partition is having trouble?`
`21:27.29`	`ludi`	`/dev/hda1 I believe`
`21:27.39`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: Oh boy. What filesystem are you using?`
`21:27.50`	`cheal`	`clojster: which kernel/driver are you using?`
`21:27.59`	`ludi`	`ext3`
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`21:28.08`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: OK, that's not so bad. fsck the file system.`
`21:28.14`	`en1gma`	`i just burnt the "sarge debian-amd64" dvdiso to dvd . now i want to put those files off the dvd onto a hdc1 THEN i want to update those files to "unstable" THEN i want to put the "sarge debian-amd64 dvd" into my dvdrom and reboot the computer. NOW when the installer comes on i want to pick hdc1 (unstable debian-amd64) version to install from. is there a tut or a howto that can explain this to me`
`21:28.28`	`clojster`	`cheal: kernel 2.6.14.4, driver nvidia original`
`21:28.39`	`ludi`	`ke6isf: I did fsck the filesystem, many times, but my system still fails to boot up`
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`21:29.05`	`cheal`	`clojster: what do you mean by original?`
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`21:29.33`	`clojster`	`cheal: downloaded from www.nvidia.com and installed via their installer`
`21:29.37`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: There is a reason that the file system is not working beyond that. Get the exact errors, and report them in a pastebin.`
`21:29.57`	`cheal`	`!tell clojster about nvidia-installer`
`21:30.11`	`ludi`	`ke6isf: how do I get the errors? should I just run fsck /dev/hda1`
`21:30.26`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: Well, couldn't hurt to see what that does.`
`21:31.19`	`ludi`	`ke6isf: I'll post it in #flood ok?`
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`21:31.54`	`clojster`	`cheal: but it worked allright... and even no error in the log now`
`21:31.56`	`ke6isf`	`OK.`
`21:32.30`	`cheal`	`clojster: anyway, you won't get support for non-free software here unless you at least use Debian packages`
`21:32.35`	`clojster`	`cheal: so do you think that installing debian nvidia drivers should correct the problem:`
`21:32.44`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: If you have a knoppix CD, boot it and fsck the filesystem from that. DO NOT FSCK YOUR FILESYSTEM YET.`
`21:32.45`	`cheal`	`clojster: I'd certainly try it`
`21:33.03`	`ludi`	`I don't have a knoppix CD`
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`21:33.28`	`clojster`	`cheal: can you pls tell me how to install those debian drivers?`
`21:33.42`	`ludi`	`ke6isf: when my system boots up, it goes into maintenance mode and the root filesystem is mounted RO. I have tried doing fsck many times like that, and it doesn't work.`
`21:33.48`	`jan2`	`Hi, the new logwatch package ruind my logwatch configs: they are renamed: ignore.conf.dpkg-bak logwatch.conf.dpkg-bak logwatch.conf.dpkg-dist`
`21:33.50`	`clojster`	`cheal: Im using compiled kernel by myself btw`
`21:34.07`	`cheal`	`clojster: hum, do you have headers?`
`21:34.23`	`clojster`	`cheal: yep`
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`21:34.38`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: Then fsck the partition by booting from a Knoppix CD or smoething.`
`21:34.40`	`clojster`	`cheal: /usr/src/linux`
`21:34.41`	`cheal`	`!tell clojster about nvidia-howto`
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`21:35.01`	`Revelation`	`!tell clojster about ati-howto`
`21:35.03`	`Revelation`	`hm`
`21:35.04`	`Revelation`	`sorry ;P`
`21:35.40`	`clojster`	`ok`
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`21:35.49`	`ludi`	`ke6isf: don't have any live CDs`
`21:35.58`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: Um, burn one?`
`21:36.09`	`ludi`	`ke6isf: Don't have any blank CDs`
`21:36.42`	`ludi`	`ke6isf: but isn't it the same thing to do the fsck in "maintenance" mode anyway?`
`21:37.03`	`cindy`	`i need help with permissions`
`21:37.17`	`stew`	`!wikifaq cindy Permissions`
`21:37.17`	`dpkg`	`cindy: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`21:37.31`	`dreamboat`	`my apt-setup gives this message [Connecting to ftp.au.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] which never connects`
`21:37.33`	`stew`	`ludi: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrw blank=fast`
`21:37.34`	`cindy`	`thank you`
`21:37.41`	`ke6isf`	`ludi: Wouldn't be able to help you at this point. Sorry.`
`21:37.47`	`dreamboat`	`is the 1.0.0.0 part the reason it doesn't work?`
`21:37.56`	`ludi`	`stew: What does that command do?`
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`21:38.43`	`Jinkguns`	`If 1.0.0.0 is the IP, no way in hell that's correct.`
`21:38.46`	`stew`	`ludi: it was hopefully going to make you realize you had a cdrw you could rewrite if you don't have any completely blank ones`
`21:38.48`	`Jinkguns`	`DNS is screwing up.`
`21:38.50`	`dreamboat`	`konqueror is working tho`
`21:38.56`	`dreamboat`	`right now in fact`
`21:39.07`	`ludi`	`stew: will it work on a CD-R?`
`21:39.09`	`dreamboat`	`mozilla won't go either`
`21:39.16`	`stew`	`ludi: definately not`
`21:39.24`	`Jinkguns`	`1.0.0.0 is the ip of what it thinks is the ftp.au.debian.org, not your system, correct?`
`21:39.35`	`stew`	`dreamboat: what does "host ftp.au.debian.org" return as an address?`
`21:39.36`	`ludi`	`stew: I only have some CD-R. Don't have any CD-RW`
`21:39.51`	`en1gma`	`when you first install debian (does the installer give you a choice to install from a local hard drive instead of the cd)?`
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`21:41.15`	`dreamboat`	`ftp.au.debian.org is an alias for ftp.planetmirror.com`
`21:41.27`	`joo-uan`	`hullo, i have an atheros wifi card. what is the best version of debian to get it running?`
`21:41.36`	`joo-uan`	`is it possible in etch or sarge or both?`
`21:41.39`	`en1gma`	`does the debian installer let you choose a hard drive install path`
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`21:42.12`	`dreamboat`	`ftp.plantmirror.com has an address of 203.16.264.86`
`21:42.15`	`noahslater`	`When I type "mail" at the command line it says "No mail for #222222" - but this isn't my user name. Does anyone know why this might be happening?`
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`21:42.21`	`Jinkguns`	`en1gma of course.`
`21:42.24`	`stew`	`dreamboat: then you aren't having a dns problem`
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`21:42.51`	`dreamboat`	`ok, what is it trying to do? and why?`
`21:42.55`	`bbrazil`	`noahslater: whats the output of 'id'?`
`21:42.57`	`Jinkguns`	`ERR.`
`21:43.04`	`Jinkguns`	`Wait, no, sorry en1gma, it dosen't.`
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`21:43.04`	`resiak`	`en1gma: Not directly, as I recall.. You'd have to ask it to let you write your own sources.list and point it at your local apt repository.`
`21:43.38`	`stew`	`en1gma: what exactly do you mean? you want to install / chrooted?`
`21:43.56`	`Frosted`	`noahslater, you can try mail -u username`
`21:43.57`	`Moeen`	`how can I add other languages for Gnome ? (I want to change my language from GDM)`
`21:43.59`	`en1gma`	`sweet`
`21:44.03`	`en1gma`	`heres what i want to do`
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`21:44.10`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: uid=1000(noah) gid=1000(noah) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),1000(noah)`
`21:44.14`	`BubbaStJoe`	`just install kernel-source-2.6.8 and was trying "make menuconfig" It fails with scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration. What do I need to do?`
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`21:44.39`	`noahslater`	`Frosted: but there is an underlying problem... mail is not the only app to get confused about my uname like this. bitchx does it too. :(`
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`21:44.56`	`abrotman`	`BubbaStJoe: did you install build-essential ?`
`21:44.59`	`bbrazil`	`noahslater: are the values for LOGNAME and USER correct?`
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`21:45.17`	`BubbaStJoe`	`yes`
`21:45.17`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: sorry?`
`21:45.19`	`en1gma`	`i just burnt debian to dvd now (im running slackware currently dont forget) so i want to copy the dvd files to my hdc then i want to rsync to testing then i want to put debian dvd in dvdrom and boot up and hopefully installer will let me select my rsynced testing debian release on hdc`
`21:45.35`	`bbrazil`	`noahslater: type 'env' and look through the output`
`21:45.50`	`Moeen`	`How can I change the Gnome language ?`
`21:45.51`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: ok... looking now`
`21:45.55`	`en1gma`	`to install from. i dont want to actually install from debian dvd`
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`21:46.16`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: just spotted this line: USER: #222222`
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`21:46.33`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: LOGNAME however is correct`
`21:46.37`	`bbrazil`	`noahslater: that would be the problem`
`21:46.44`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: what on earth could be setting this then? how strange!`
`21:46.47`	`en1gma`	`resiak i think you might understand what im trying to do`
`21:46.48`	`bbrazil`	`noahslater: I've no idea how that could happen`
`21:47.04`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: what usual setts up the env vars?`
`21:47.06`	`ludi`	`is there any way to fsck my system (aside from booting from live CD)`
`21:47.32`	`DragonD`	`where could i find a compatible wireless network card list for debian?`
`21:47.52`	`bbrazil`	`noahslater: I'm not sure what sets USER, probably PAM`
`21:48.18`	`kspath`	`lintian is still used by you all?`
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`21:48.26`	`hans_kraus`	`hi folks`
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`21:48.30`	`resiak`	`en1gma: Why not just ... install from the DVD ... and then upgrade?`
`21:48.48`	`bbrazil`	`noahslater: how are you logging in to the system?`
`21:49.14`	`en1gma`	`resiak its way faster to install from hd to hd`
`21:49.16`	`kspath`	`abtitmon: do you use lintian ?`
`21:49.17`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: just found it... in my ~/.bashrc file there is a section that sets up colors for my xtermcontrole - there is aline that assigns "USER=#222222" so that normal user term backgrounds will be a dark grey - this is what must be messing things up`
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`21:49.35`	`resiak`	`en1gma: ...but ... but... you have to download the packages at some point`
`21:49.50`	`hans_kraus`	`since the last dist-upgrade my keyboard layout under x seems corrupted, i can't use neither the german umlauts nor the pipe nor the 'at' char. does anybody know what the reason for this could be? im using debian sid with xorg and xfce4.2`
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`21:49.56`	`bbrazil`	`noahslater: that sounds like it, quite odd`
`21:50.00`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: odd though - i would have thought you would need to "export" a variable for it to have such an effect - oh well... ill just rename it`
`21:50.03`	`en1gma`	`yep i dload the packages once in a while to keep upto "testing" but i install many many many times`
`21:50.12`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: thanks for helping me though!`
`21:50.14`	`raden`	`can someone point me to a good howto on vsftpd ?`
`21:50.16`	`bbrazil`	`noahslater: its in the bashrc, so its essentially sourced`
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`21:50.39`	`noahslater`	`bbrazil: ah... i see`
`21:50.42`	`balc`	`I get this error in cups when i try to print "Unable to connect to IPP host: Success" any clue as to what I can do about it?`
`21:50.51`	`clojster`	`cheal: that debian driver didnt work too :/`
`21:50.56`	`resiak`	`en1gma: Why do you "install many many many times"?`
`21:51.06`	`en1gma`	`please dont go there. i just do`
`21:51.07`	`en1gma`	`:)`
`21:51.12`	`balc`	`cups just queus the print job and processes it and then does nothing`
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`21:51.34`	`BubbaStJoe`	`hmm`
`21:51.42`	`balc`	`its a usb printer and I used /dev/usb/lp0 as the address`
`21:51.44`	`en1gma`	`if i dont feel i got my system just right i can format and have it all installed (current for slackware) in about 10mins`
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`21:52.40`	`en1gma`	`its nice not having to install 2x from a format`
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`21:52.56`	`en1gma`	`or stable install then upgrade`
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`21:53.06`	`en1gma`	`why not just install the upgrade in the first place`
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`21:53.09`	`cheal`	`clojster: what's the problem?`
`21:53.46`	`DragonD`	`ok i have to have ndiswrapper for my netcard. is there a was to get it on the minimal install cd so i can use it to do a web install?`
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`21:54.07`	`resiak`	`en1gma: So set up a local apt mirror ... there's really no straightforward way to do what you want. There's also really no need, since why would you reinstall in that situation?!`
`21:54.27`	`goron`	`How can I play .mid files?`
`21:54.55`	`clojster`	`cheal: well - when I startx, everything seems to went smooth but when its supposed to switch to X desktop, display stays black and on the top left of the screen there is cursor that stopped blinking (cursor like in console)`
`21:55.05`	`cheal`	`!midi`
`21:55.05`	`dpkg`	`i heard midi is MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com`
`21:55.18`	`clojster`	`cheal: and I cant switch back to another tty`
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`21:55.54`	`cheal`	`clojster: it worked well until you upgraded to 6.9? did you uninstall NVIDIA's "official" driver?`
`21:55.56`	`clojster`	`cheal: well... I think it switches between ttys but dont show anything but black screen`
`21:56.10`	`cheal`	`can you ssh to it?`
`21:56.11`	`clojster`	`cheal: yep, that worked well`
`21:56.34`	`clojster`	`cheal: I probably could ssh to it, but I dont have other pc`
`21:56.44`	`cheal`	`did you check if that seemed to work well with debsums?`
`21:56.49`	`clojster`	`cheal: i did not uninstall the official drivers`
`21:56.59`	`en1gma`	`resiak i fool around with so many settings within a a few days time that sometimes its just best to format and start fresh`
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`21:57.02`	`cheal`	`clojster: oh, I think that would be a good idea`
`21:57.08`	`clojster`	`cheal: :)`
`21:57.12`	`en1gma`	`then i learn by putting in all my commands again and again`
`21:57.21`	`roby`	`My SB Live does not seem to work, mpg321, xmms and any player report that they can't find a suitable output driver. During debian install, i told it not to load several of the modules it detected, i guess one was for soundcard support, how would i check if i'm missing kernel module for sound support?`
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`21:58.01`	`cheal`	`roby: which kernel do you use?`
`21:58.08`	`kombi`	`roby: dpkg -l \| grep alsa`
`21:58.23`	`BubbaStJoe`	`how can I force make to use gcc 3.3 insteadof 4.0? Dpkg -l shows both as installed, and removing 4.0 requires removing moany other apps`
`21:58.23`	`roby`	`cheal: 2.6.12-1-386`
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`21:58.41`	`roby`	`kombi: ii alsamixergui`
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`21:59.15`	`cheal`	`roby: do you use ALSA?`
`22:00.03`	`stew`	`BubbaStJoe: edit the HOSTCC or CC variables in the environment or in the Makefile or`
`22:00.04`	`roby`	`cheal: first i had xmms try oss, it said make sure correct driver is used, soundcard not in use, etc... then i told it to use alsa. the xmms iis playing the ogg/mp3 files now but i hear no sound`
`22:00.10`	`stew`	`s/or$//`
`22:00.16`	`Blissex`	`BubbaStJoe: 'make CC=....' for example`
`22:00.17`	`resiak`	`en1gma: I'm not going to help you to waste your own time =)`
`22:00.18`	`cheal`	`roby: if you want to use alsa, you should install it`
`22:00.42`	`en1gma`	`resiak belive me it saves me time`
`22:00.51`	`roby`	`cheal: will mpg321, mplayer, etc automatically know that alsa should be used?`
`22:00.59`	`en1gma`	`i format and reinstall at least 3x a week and sometimes 3x a nite`
`22:01.03`	`BubbaStJoe`	`thnks guys`
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`22:01.55`	`goron`	`cheal: I already tried kmid, but I got no sound. Do you know of a program that Just Works?`
`22:01.55`	`vb_coder`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`22:02.08`	`en1gma`	`np`
`22:02.15`	`kspath`	`wtf`
`22:02.28`	`Slackwave`	`what is this ubuntu thing I keep hearing about`
`22:02.32`	`Slackwave`	`sounds like bumper cars`
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`22:03.59`	`resiak`	`en1gma: You're on crack. ...`
`22:04.08`	`roby`	`cheal: oh, alsa is kernel built in yes? so i would have to recompile kernel or something?`
`22:04.12`	`en1gma`	`put that in your pipe and smoke it`
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`22:05.17`	`cheal`	`roby: ALSA is included in stock 2.6 kernels. you only need to install a few userspace packages`
`22:05.25`	`di\|\|itante`	`ok, how can I find out what repo a package came from?`
`22:05.49`	`Dr_Alex`	`�� `
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`22:06.14`	`raden`	`how do i fix xinitd its gone :(`
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`22:06.56`	`dondelelcaro`	`di\|\|itante: in general, you can't. apt-cache policy foopkg; may give you an idea.`
`22:07.03`	`SimonRaven`	`!by`
`22:07.04`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that by is Belarus`
`22:07.26`	`SimonRaven`	`probably using koi-r or something`
`22:07.56`	`cheal`	`roby: I don't know any of those packages. I wouldn't try them before some sound test works.`
`22:08.10`	`di\|\|itante`	`dodnel: thanks`
`22:08.24`	`joo-uan`	`hullo, i have an atheros wifi card. what is the best version of debian to get it running?`
`22:08.26`	`joo-uan`	`is it possible in etch or sarge or both?`
`22:08.53`	`roby`	`cheal: sound doesn't work at all, xmms never complained before with oss output, only now after i re-installed debian (and excluded all these ide chipsets it listed)`
`22:09.12`	`roby`	`cheal: would me excluding the installing of ide chipsets have something to do with this?`
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`22:09.33`	`goron`	`cheal: playmidi: No playback device found. I use OSS, and I have onboard sound on an nforce2 board, which should be supported according to the link for OSS on that website you gave.`
`22:09.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`roby: no, it shouldn't have anything to do with it. Which soundcard are you using? Which kernel? Have either the oss or alsa modules for that soundcard loaded?`
`22:10.02`	`clojster`	`cheal: so now I have uninstalled official drivers and installed the debian drivers but there is no difference... its the same`
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`22:10.36`	`goron`	`Or do I need some special kernel drivers to get midi?`
`22:11.02`	`dondelelcaro`	`goron: no, you just need to load the appropriate module if you have a hardware midi device. If you don't, you'll need timidity or similar.`
`22:11.06`	`clojster`	`cheal: I have enabled logo to show on start of X now, but this only makes it to display white screen under the black stripe witht that console cursor...`
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`22:11.31`	`DragonD`	`uggh`
`22:11.31`	`roby`	`dondelelcaro: Soundblaster live 5.1, 2.6.12-1-386... lsmod \| grep oss or grep alsa lists nothing`
`22:11.44`	`goron`	`dondelelcaro: How would I know what module to load? I know the hardware I have.`
`22:11.52`	`angusMac`	`part`
`22:11.59`	`dondelelcaro`	`goron: what hardware?`
`22:12.17`	`goron`	`dondelelcaro: nforce2 with the drivers of nvidia.`
`22:12.20`	`DragonD`	`sooo.....`
`22:12.24`	`DragonD`	`is there a way to edit the minimal install cd to have ndiswrapper on it?`
`22:12.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`goron: that card isn't a hardware midi device.`
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`22:13.10`	`goron`	`dondelelcaro: Ok, I got the extended deluxe version, or something like that. Makes no difference?`
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`22:13.12`	`cheal`	`roby: I doubt it`
`22:13.15`	`roby`	`dondelelcaro: but i do have emu10k1 module loaded`
`22:13.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`roby: snd-emu10k1 I presume?`
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`22:13.48`	`roby`	`dondelelcaro: yeah, snd_emu10k1`
`22:14.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`roby: ok, then check dmesg and make sure it saw your card.`
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`22:14.39`	`dondelelcaro`	`goron: generally not. It's been a long time since soundcards have actually stuck hardware midi devices on them. They're almost always software nowadays.`
`22:15.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`(primarily since the few people who actually care about that sort of thing use real hardware midi devices, and wouldn`
`22:15.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`wouldn't use the soundcard anyway)`
`22:15.56`	`dreamboat`	`anyone have any suggestions for my [Connecting to ftp.au.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] problem?`
`22:16.17`	`dreamboat`	`just checked with a couple of other ftp's and all say 1.0.0.0`
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`22:16.41`	`nanok_`	`dreamboat: dns problem? host ftp.au... says...?`
`22:17.00`	`dreamboat`	`checked that on someone elses advice.....`
`22:17.03`	`cheal`	`clojster: I don't know. I'd go to #nvidia after making sure that uninstalling using nvidia-installer doesn't solve the problem and no framebuffer is in use.`
`22:17.19`	`dreamboat`	`said something about being an alias for mirror.com`
`22:17.19`	`roby`	`dondelelcaro: dmesg has a line that reads: Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver, version 0.20a, 12:47:04 Sep 27 2005`
`22:17.33`	`roby`	`dondelelcaro: and also mention of a gameport, but nothing else`
`22:17.37`	`nanok_`	`dreamboat: more preciselly..`
`22:17.49`	`dreamboat`	`hangon... let me scroll up`
`22:17.52`	`nanok_`	`dreamboat: what was the final ip it outputed`
`22:18.08`	`dreamboat`	`off the page`
`22:18.19`	`dreamboat`	`let me run it again`
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`22:19.36`	`mhall`	`What can I do to diagnose an infinite loop in my X server?`
`22:19.42`	`nanok_`	`dreamboat: 203.16.234.86`
`22:19.50`	`nanok_`	`and 85`
`22:19.51`	`nanok_`	`?`
`22:19.54`	`dreamboat`	`nanok: ftp.planetmirror.com has an address of 203.16.234.85`
`22:19.57`	`dreamboat`	`yep`
`22:20.05`	`nanok_`	`hm..`
`22:20.09`	`dreamboat`	`and 203.16.234.86`
`22:20.18`	`usn`	`people, this is strange: after typing first letters in KDM, in whole system no keyboard entries are possible any more. System work fine otherwise (network, ssh etc.) Mouse works fine too. But wtf...?`
`22:20.25`	`nanok_`	`try to ftp using ftp://203.16.234.86`
`22:20.34`	`nanok_`	`i.e. lftp ftp://203.16.234.86`
`22:20.40`	`nanok_`	`see what happens..`
`22:20.49`	`goron`	`I get this error when I start timidity on a file: /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg: No such file or directorytimidity: Can't read any configuration file.`
`22:20.49`	`dreamboat`	`nanok: ok, hang on`
`22:20.52`	`goron`	`Please check /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg`
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`22:23.11`	`dreamboat`	`nanok: not sure if that is an "L" or "i" but both say command not found`
`22:23.27`	`SimonRaven`	`usn: BTS say anything about that?`
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`22:23.38`	`nanok_`	`whatever, use your ftp client of choice`
`22:24.08`	`goron`	`I don't understand why I need to edit a configuration file and learn the syntax just to play a midi file. Even on Windows 95 this worked.`
`22:24.13`	`dreamboat`	`newbie here... sorry`
`22:24.19`	`nanok_`	`(it's an lowercase L, what kind of fonts are you using for heavens sake ..)`
`22:24.20`	`nanok_`	`:)`
`22:24.36`	`abrotman`	`Function: noun: Trying to get a computer illiterate person whose IE is broken and won't start to download Firefox`
`22:24.40`	`usn`	`SimonRaven, all I treid: nothing`
`22:24.42`	`abrotman`	`bah .. Fun Fun Fun@!`
`22:24.45`	`abrotman`	`stupid tab complete@!`
`22:24.52`	`Wyzard\|TP`	`I'm looking for a scalable (TrueType or Type1) font for X which provides glyphs for the roman-numeral characters`
`22:24.53`	`dreamboat`	`I hav lowercase L and uppercase i looking the same`
`22:24.54`	`mhall`	`what is the find CLI option to ignore stuff like dev and proc`
`22:25.17`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: been there, done that, i was bloody thundering.. :)`
`22:25.21`	`dreamboat`	`what other ftp clients am I likely to have? from a disc install?`
`22:25.23`	`abrotman`	`mhall: --prune or something like that`
`22:25.29`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: just have a lot of cigarettes..`
`22:25.34`	`nanok_`	`:)`
`22:25.35`	`abrotman`	`nanok_: or a gun :)`
`22:25.40`	`SimonRaven`	`sucky font or need a new prescription :P`
`22:25.45`	`Wyzard\|TP`	`I have two Debian systems which have that character available, but on this one (a new computer, just installed a few days ago) I have no roman-numeral glyphs, and I'm not sure how to determine which package on the other systems is providing the font that has them`
`22:25.46`	`abrotman`	`oh yeah .. file transfer via AIM! ..`
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`22:26.06`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: oooh, oooh, dont tell me about the gun.. you reached _that_ state..`
`22:26.13`	`dreamboat`	`I can ping the site 203.16.234.65`
`22:26.34`	`goron`	`Never mind, I helped myself.`
`22:26.41`	`abrotman`	`nanok_: and it's only been 10 minutes`
`22:26.41`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: i was so fucking mad i booted knoppix and downloaded that way, afair.. only to realise it was all ntfs`
`22:27.17`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: finally, i think i gave up and used my pendrive/mp3player to do it :)`
`22:27.38`	`goron`	`The dependencies are not correct.`
`22:27.57`	`goron`	`It needs freepats, otherwise it won't start with the Debian configuration.`
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`22:28.08`	`goron`	`Not that I say that Debian changed it.`
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`22:28.49`	`ThePiratemaster`	`the exteriour interface is the network device that is connected to the modem, correct?`
`22:28.57`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: in my case, the i-e would download happily, only it would get the file fucked u and useles in the process. every time`
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`22:29.39`	`abrotman`	`nanok_: it's hard to believe that windows has no way to download anytihng other than a webbrowser or thier shitty ftp client :)`
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`22:30.06`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: exactlly, that was the most frustrating part of it all.`
`22:30.31`	`goron`	`Even my brother is convinced that Windows had its time ;)`
`22:30.36`	`dreamboat`	`ping is running constantly... oops.... can i stop it?`
`22:30.43`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: btw, if you manage to find a way, have it fetch firemonger. really nice, saves you a lot of headaches`
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`22:30.49`	`goron`	`dreamboat: How about Control-C?`
`22:30.50`	`nanok_`	`dreamboat: ctrl + c`
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`22:31.03`	`jadewolf`	`how do I mount an NTFS drive that is on a system on my LAN? smbmount?`
`22:31.03`	`dreamboat`	`bingo!`
`22:31.16`	`nanok_`	`jadewolf: y`
`22:31.26`	`ThePiratemaster`	`if you would attach the same pricetag as windows to any given big-linux distro you'd still have better price/quality i think`
`22:31.28`	`nanok_`	`jadewolf: if it is shared via samba`
`22:31.29`	`goron`	`Alternatively you could rip the CPU out.`
`22:31.44`	`Eulex`	`goron, so you think that timidity would need to depend on freepats?`
`22:31.48`	`nanok_`	`ThePiratemaster: try a tenfold pricetag`
`22:31.53`	`ThePiratemaster`	`also`
`22:31.55`	`nanok_`	`:)`
`22:31.57`	`jadewolf`	`its shared via windows sharing`
`22:32.04`	`goron`	`Eulex: yes, otherwise it doesn't work here without zero configuration.`
`22:32.22`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: the thing you have to look at is the cost with support`
`22:32.27`	`nanok_`	`jadewolf: than , yes, smbmount or plane mount (it will figure it out, mount is smart)`
`22:32.34`	`goron`	`Eulex: I expect to be able to do timidity <file> after I installed it.`
`22:32.39`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: at the support contract level linux does not fare as well as one might wish`
`22:32.51`	`Robi-`	`... status=bounced (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Error while writing to "/var/mail/robi" )`
`22:32.59`	`ThePiratemaster`	`against no support at all?`
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`22:33.09`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: while this is not an issue for the 1337 and h4x0r among us, it causes problems for companies`
`22:33.09`	`nanok_`	`jadewolf: use smbclient -L netbiosname_of_crappy_windows_machine first`
`22:33.10`	`goron`	`Eulex: timidity sources a configuration file for freepats.`
`22:33.10`	`Robi-`	`postfix mail.log`
`22:33.14`	`roby`	`dondelelcaro: cheal: OK, going to re-install debian, enable all modules that the installer finds, and then see if sound works`
`22:33.17`	`Eulex`	`goron, the problem is that timidity works very well if you give it some other patches than freepats. and so timidity works very well even if freepats ain't installed. that's why they didn't make it depend on freepats.`
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`22:33.38`	`Robi-`	`has anyone come across that error? no mail gets delivered ;[`
`22:33.38`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: what i mean is, look at the cost of fully supported MS + licenses versus fully supported RHEL or SuSE Enterprise`
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`22:33.48`	`goron`	`Eulex: I don't even know what a patch is (in this context).`
`22:33.54`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: then Linux isn't nearly as cheap as you might expect`
`22:33.56`	`blondie`	`kittens from space!`
`22:34.04`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: SuSE and RHEL support cost quite a bit`
`22:34.05`	`nanok_`	`mhall: you can buy support for linux for the price of a windows license that's a hell of a lot better than what you get "free" from Ms`
`22:34.17`	`nanok_`	`but that's totaly oftopic, no point in flaming here..`
`22:34.20`	`mhall`	`nanok_: I'm not talking about MS's free support.`
`22:34.26`	`abrotman`	`bah .. and the bastard just logged off`
`22:34.28`	`Eulex`	`goron, it's basically a instrument sound`
`22:34.30`	`ThePiratemaster`	`MS isnt build by progtrammers with a good piece of software but by marketers with an exellent marketing plan`
`22:34.31`	`goron`	`Eulex: But you probably do. What is it? I assume it's not a diff.`
`22:34.32`	`mhall`	`nanok_: But yeah you are probably right about OT.`
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`22:35.00`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: That doesn't matter if you are just trying to run a company and get your work done.`
`22:35.02`	`jadewolf`	`okay thanks got that working`
`22:35.12`	`ThePiratemaster`	`they may do just as well selling choockies or washing cars`
`22:35.15`	`micahf`	`does anyone on here use copper.net?`
`22:35.23`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: Companies aren't going to use our shit unless we can prove it's better, cheaper, and easier.`
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`22:35.24`	`Eulex`	`goron, apt-cache show freepats if you don't believe me in that they're called patches`
`22:35.36`	`goron`	`The funny thing about MS is that they have a great research department, but still can't produce a great OS.`
`22:35.37`	`ThePiratemaster`	`indeed`
`22:35.43`	`ThePiratemaster`	`but we are programers, not marketers`
`22:35.43`	`scarynetworkguy`	`ThePiratemaster: Basically a suit has a hierarchy of needs. These include food, shelter, and writing large checks to people who don't work for them. Support for OSS meets this last need for them.`
`22:35.48`	`jadewolf`	`can you do flash work in linux? like making flash movies, I been thinking of learning flash`
`22:35.54`	`mhall`	`goron: Well there are a lot of constraints.`
`22:35.59`	`ThePiratemaster`	`and a better product is not how marketing works unfortunately`
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`22:36.20`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: No MS has tapped into the fact that people like upgrades like addicts like crack.`
`22:36.28`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: Actually... The cheaper bits more often than not hurts. As counterintuitive as that is.`
`22:36.37`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: That's how marketing helps.`
`22:36.43`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: You have to present it right.`
`22:36.59`	`ThePiratemaster`	`its about presentation, yes`
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`22:37.07`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: Because the way most people present it makes it sound like nobody is accountable.`
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`22:37.09`	`ThePiratemaster`	`how is linux presented?`
`22:37.27`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: And if you are a suit running a large IT outfit and not esp. technical, that's bad for you.`
`22:37.38`	`micahf`	`as difficult to use`
`22:37.38`	`ThePiratemaster`	`by microsoft as a "communist" operating system`
`22:37.40`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: Because you're taking on a lot of risk without formal backing.`
`22:37.49`	`micahf`	`it's not difficult to use`
`22:38.02`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: Correct on both counts. But have you ever noticed how somebody tryng to sell a very expensive product never has to justify that it costs so much.`
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`22:38.10`	`goron`	`Eulex: Oh, but I believe you, but I don't think "an instrument sound" is not formal enough. Is it a formal description of how a certain note must sound for a certain device?`
`22:38.20`	`Christians4GNT2`	`http://alexwied.com/~alex/requested_irc_logs.zip`
`22:38.23`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: Yeah they do just not overtly.`
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`22:38.34`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: I run a corporate VPN system with over 300 nodes on OpenBSD. Been ther, done that, got the t-shirt. Buddy.`
`22:38.36`	`SimonRaven`	`scarynetworkguy: the assumption that $$$$ == good quality. which is too often not the case`
`22:38.40`	`ThePiratemaster`	`ist al about typography`
`22:38.46`	`scarynetworkguy`	`SimonRaven: That is correct and my point. Yes.`
`22:38.50`	`ThePiratemaster`	`we need to make prettie interfaces`
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`22:38.56`	`ThePiratemaster`	`GUI`
`22:38.59`	`ThePiratemaster`	`for n00bs`
`22:39.00`	`scarynetworkguy`	`ThePiratemaster: Wrong...`
`22:39.05`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: I don't know if I agree all the way on that.`
`22:39.16`	`micahf`	`xfce is a good one`
`22:39.17`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: With what?`
`22:39.19`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: The things that are expensive didn't start as expensive.`
`22:39.27`	`ThePiratemaster`	`if we want to draw new users i mean`
`22:39.29`	`SimonRaven`	`what's prettier than a nice prompt, or a nice theme for $insert_favourite_wm ?`
`22:39.36`	`ThePiratemaster`	`the marketshare "n00bs" is very big`
`22:39.38`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: They build a reputation that lets them overcharge for their latest schlock.`
`22:39.49`	`ThePiratemaster`	`and all the "n00bs" r on microsoft`
`22:39.51`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: Clearly it's a long involved process that I'm simplyfing for the sake of making a point. Yes.`
`22:39.56`	`robin_sz`	`blimey .. its going to be fscking cold in the UK on friday ...`
`22:39.58`	`goron`	`Someone had a Word document of >50 pages with a lot of stuff in it. At some point it couldn't be loaded/saved/I don't remember. They called MS, and they didn't do anything about it. They said:"better not create such large documents".`
`22:40.01`	`robin_sz`	`fscking cold!`
`22:40.03`	`nanok_`	`SimonRaven: something that works.. ok, call me insensitive..`
`22:40.18`	`D13GU___`	`where a see a VPN tutorial?`
`22:40.21`	`mhall`	`goron: But that doesn't matter. MS sold it and profited by then.`
`22:40.24`	`ThePiratemaster`	`file system checking cold?`
`22:40.28`	`robin_sz`	`http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ukweather/`
`22:40.30`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: The point being that of all the reasons to use OSS and all the ways to sell it to a suit that IME price is likely not where you want to go.`
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`22:40.38`	`goron`	`My brother remarked that maybe Office suites are too complex to do correctly.`
`22:40.40`	`robin_sz`	`press the > button to trun the animation ...`
`22:40.43`	`ThePiratemaster`	`Cold FS`
`22:40.54`	`goron`	`That's one reason for using Latex.`
`22:40.58`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: Then why does MS spread so much FUD about their supposedly lower TCO?`
`22:41.04`	`SimonRaven`	`nanok_: Works For Me`
`22:41.05`	`goron`	`Not that I think Latex is perfect.`
`22:41.21`	`ThePiratemaster`	`fudge on tacos?`
`22:41.22`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: BTW FWIW I agree price is not the best argument, I'm just trying to understand the whole situation.`
`22:41.22`	`Eulex`	`goron, no, it's not. it's an example of how an instrument can sound. and often it's not just one sound, but many sounds for different pitches. also, it often also contains 'looping' info, that is, info about what will happen if the actual sound you want to play is longer than the one you have recorded. and what will happen when it's shorter than the one recorded. etc etc`
`22:41.24`	`ThePiratemaster`	`bad i dea`
`22:41.36`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: Ever sat in a meeting with a MS sales rep and a suit?`
`22:41.56`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: No I only ever worked in UNIX shops with Sun and Cisco people.`
`22:42.01`	`nanok_`	`goron: compared to something as utterly useless as office suites, it safe to say that it is well on the way.. :)`
`22:42.10`	`SimonRaven`	`so what is the 'best argument'? and why isn't price the best one to shove at a suit?`
`22:42.13`	`mhall`	`goron: OOO 2.x.x is pretty sweet.`
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`22:42.27`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: that's what i'm moving toward with scarynetworkguy ...`
`22:42.39`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: hopefully we can get a decent answer`
`22:42.44`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: They never talk about TCO. That's just the web stuff they put up on pseudo-techinal sites.`
`22:42.59`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: hmm, so tco is meant for geeks or...`
`22:43.04`	`kuraia`	`txilitxuta si possible`
`22:43.08`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: IME yes.`
`22:43.11`	`kuraia`	`what the hell?`
`22:43.18`	`micahf`	`is there a dial up terminal for linux?`
`22:43.31`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: then i guess the next question is ... what do they use`
`22:43.36`	`Blissex`	`micahf: yes. several.`
`22:43.37`	`mhall`	`micahf: minicom`
`22:43.40`	`micahf`	`minicom?`
`22:43.42`	`micahf`	`k thanks`
`22:43.49`	`nanok_`	`kuraia: que veut dire txil... 2. on parle anglais ici.. desole`
`22:43.51`	`mhall`	`micahf: one of the canonical apps, there are more`
`22:43.55`	`mhall`	`!tell micahf about pdo`
`22:44.18`	`mhall`	`micahf: also apt-cache search modem or something such might be good`
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`22:44.31`	`scarynetworkguy`	`SimonRaven: The best argument. Or at least the one that works best for me. Is performance, security, and features. Also it helps if your suits know that you are good and that you both can and will be there to fix shit when it goes south. Suits are, again IME, very concerned about support and are more than willing to pay through the nose for what they see as good support.`
`22:44.32`	`ThePiratemaster`	`the exterior interface is the networking device that is connected to the modem right?`
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`22:44.42`	`micahf`	`mhall, thanks`
`22:44.49`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: Oddly enough IME they babble on about support. See the above.`
`22:44.49`	`D13GU___`	`where a see a VPN tutorial? please`
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`22:44.58`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: makes sense that they would`
`22:45.00`	`goron`	`mhall: It's pretty sweet, but buggy.`
`22:45.07`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: where i worked we really needed it`
`22:45.12`	`robin_sz`	`D13GU___: VPN or OpenVPN?`
`22:45.19`	`mhall`	`goron: apparently they have been doing a lot of refactoring`
`22:45.25`	`mhall`	`goron: so this could get better`
`22:45.42`	`SimonRaven`	`scarynetworkguy: that's true, even non-suits care about that. my experience is with non-profits, so price is an issue, but support seems to be more important`
`22:45.45`	`D13GU___`	`robin_ a free VPN :)`
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`22:46.03`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: Indeed it does. Only ironic if you understand that they can/t/don't do it.`
`22:46.08`	`robin_sz`	`D13GU___: http://openvpn.net/howto.html`
`22:46.12`	`SimonRaven`	`D13GU___: 127.0.0.1. can't get any freer than that`
`22:46.22`	`goron`	`nanok_: I agree, but commercial software is never "done", since it would stop cash flow. (Unless there's some other licensing scheme).`
`22:46.24`	`D13GU___`	`SimonRaven ?`
`22:46.31`	`dreamboat`	`test I l`
`22:46.35`	`dreamboat`	`sucky font`
`22:46.38`	`SimonRaven`	`localhost, silly`
`22:46.49`	`ThePiratemaster`	`the exterior interface is the networking device that is connected to the modem right?`
`22:46.57`	`joo-uan`	`is there a program that wil automaticly connect to open ap's?`
`22:47.00`	`goron`	`mhall: Sure, I believe OO will become better.`
`22:47.03`	`joo-uan`	`like in windows?`
`22:47.09`	`dreamboat`	`one shows slightly longer than the other`
`22:47.10`	`abrotman`	`you mean .. help you steal bandwidth ?`
`22:47.15`	`joo-uan`	`so i can drive and have uninteruppted internet?`
`22:47.18`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: so how do you convince people your support is good when it's not`
`22:47.23`	`ke6isf`	`What is an open ap?`
`22:47.29`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: free wifi`
`22:47.30`	`joo-uan`	`acess point`
`22:47.34`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: esp if it's somebody renewing a contract who knows what it is really like`
`22:47.37`	`ke6isf`	`ah.`
`22:47.38`	`joo-uan`	`73 ham brother`
`22:47.42`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: you know .. you can steal your neighbor's bandwidth`
`22:47.49`	`joo-uan`	`yeah-`
`22:47.56`	`joo-uan`	`i want something to do that automatically`
`22:47.57`	`goron`	`!steal`
`22:48.00`	`abrotman`	`if it's open .. you don't need anything`
`22:48.01`	`joo-uan`	`when driving around`
`22:48.08`	`joo-uan`	`that autoconnects`
`22:48.20`	`nanok_`	`goron: that is usually the case, and the main difference between oss and comercial. (unless you pay a hell of a lot of money, but that's in a different league)`
`22:48.22`	`blondie`	`my wireless is purposely open`
`22:48.22`	`goron`	`And then you can haxor the world...`
`22:48.22`	`ke6isf`	`I would think that the wireless routers seek out the wireless points by default.`
`22:48.22`	`mhall`	`joo-uan: yeah it's called windows XP base edition`
`22:48.26`	`mhall`	`joo-uan: enjoy`
`22:48.27`	`abrotman`	`joo-uan: what distro are you using ?`
`22:48.30`	`Eulex`	`joo-uan, try waproamd`
`22:48.36`	`ThePiratemaster`	`wich is better, the linux kernel or partition magic`
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`22:48.49`	`blondie`	`ThePiratemaster: what kind of question is that?`
`22:48.55`	`joo-uan`	`mhall! yes! but i'd rather not use doze`
`22:48.57`	`ThePiratemaster`	`for burning CD's i mean`
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`22:49.03`	`ke6isf`	`ThePiratemaster: That's like asking what the better is between Perl and ginger beer.`
`22:49.04`	`SimonRaven`	`ThePiratemaster: uh, what?`
`22:49.04`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: You are assuming that the suits ever think that deeply about it. Or that they, typically, listen to their techs. I happen to be in a good spot where I'm listened to but far too often some smoke and mirrors and otherwise rather smart people's ability to think shuts right down.`
`22:49.07`	`mhall`	`joo-uan: joke ;-)`
`22:49.09`	`blondie`	`ThePiratemaster: partition magic doesn't burn CDs`
`22:49.09`	`foampeace`	`hi`
`22:49.10`	`joo-uan`	`JOOUAN does it fat, it linux, yadadadmean`
`22:49.10`	`goron`	`nanok_: But generally it takes a few years to get that point. (Especially if nobody told you about other than Windows OS's)`
`22:49.11`	`ThePiratemaster`	`lol`
`22:49.20`	`abrotman`	`joo-uan: what distro ?`
`22:49.22`	`ThePiratemaster`	`you'd think..?`
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`22:49.23`	`SimonRaven`	`me SEGVs trying to parse that`
`22:49.35`	`blondie`	`hi foampeace!`
`22:49.36`	`Eulex`	`joo-uan, waproamd does what you want`
`22:49.44`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: so people in general are not good at dealing with sales BS`
`22:49.44`	`ThePiratemaster`	`now that io have your attention: the exterior interface is the networking device that is connected to the modem right?`
`22:49.50`	`niguere`	`Hello guys`
`22:49.50`	`scarynetworkguy`	`SimonRaven: Yeah that makes sense. Actually it is. It's just that I trust myself to support a OSS product more than I trust almost any vendor. And, lucky for me, my suits listen to and trust me. But I'm lucky.`
`22:49.53`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: particularly of the technical variety`
`22:49.54`	`niguere`	`is this the ethnic cleansing channel?`
`22:50.04`	`nanok_`	`goron: the funnyest thing is how much money it takes. and most never get the point anyway.. sort of sad in the end`
`22:50.04`	`abrotman`	`niguere: no`
`22:50.07`	`niguere`	`I have some zyklonb to share`
`22:50.09`	`niguere`	`to gas jews`
`22:50.20`	`abrotman`	`some what?`
`22:50.22`	`niguere`	`oh`
`22:50.23`	`niguere`	`sorry`
`22:50.24`	`blondie`	`niguere: no, now fuck off`
`22:50.24`	`ke6isf`	`!ops niguere`
`22:50.24`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: niguere`
`22:50.28`	`mhall`	`niguere: dude that's not cool`
`22:50.30`	`foampeace`	`what repo is the best to use`
`22:50.31`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: IME people of the techinical variety are very good at dealing with it. It would be the suits who are the problem in most cases.`
`22:50.31`	`ThePiratemaster`	`i always get stains on my suits`
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`22:50.38`	`ke6isf`	`foampeace: apt-setup. Pick one.`
`22:50.41`	`SimonRaven`	`niguere: STFU asshole`
`22:50.43`	`ThePiratemaster`	`i let binutils wash it out`
`22:50.55`	`everett_`	`How do I download a debian 2.4 kernel source using aptget?`
`22:51.01`	`niguere`	`mhall: lol it is`
`22:51.16`	`ThePiratemaster`	`btw whats better for washing tyour suite: binutils or IVtv`
`22:51.19`	`SimonRaven`	`niguere: no it isn't dumbass`
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`22:51.37`	`ke6isf`	`!troll niguere`
`22:51.37`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: one problem is, sometimes suits at real large enterprises tend to pick whomever gives them the best blowjob / perk instead of who is good for the company`
`22:51.39`	`ThePiratemaster`	`GOGGOGO SIMON`
`22:51.43`	`ThePiratemaster`	`TELL THE B-TCH`
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`22:51.50`	`nanok_`	`niguere: it is not even funny in the sick sense of funny. disapear. please`
`22:51.50`	`foampeace`	`which repo has the latest firefox and works the best`
`22:51.54`	`joo-uan`	`could you get some of the zyklon b for those clowns in fallujah?`
`22:51.55`	`nanok_`	`or else..`
`22:51.58`	`joo-uan`	`JOOUAN FAT`
`22:52.00`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: hence how we got stuck with a real bad core application for doing our billing`
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`22:52.02`	`ke6isf`	`foampeace: apt-setup, pick a repo.`
`22:52.07`	`goron`	`Eulex: I get a Segfault when I run timidity...`
`22:52.10`	`joo-uan`	`joouan out!`
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`22:52.15`	`asuffield`	`oddly enough, support is precisely the reason that my company uses free software wherever possible. the management has been expensively screwed over by proprietary 'support' one too many times, and all business-critical applications must now be at least possible to be supported in house if necessary`
`22:52.22`	`dreamboat`	`mhall: the best blowjob?? is there such a thing as a bad blowjob?`
`22:52.24`	`foampeace`	`ke6isf: do i see firefox 1.0.4 in stable?`
`22:52.30`	`SimonRaven`	`of course the bone head is abusing tor`
`22:52.30`	`kbrooks`	Why doesn't installing the `subversion' package install a init script?
`22:52.31`	`abrotman`	`dreamboat: teeth`
`22:52.32`	`mhall`	`asuffield: but how long did it take for that to happen`
`22:52.36`	`dreamboat`	`heheh`
`22:52.43`	`Eulex`	`goron, stable/testing/unstable?`
`22:52.50`	`goron`	`Eulex: unstable`
`22:52.52`	`mhall`	`dreamboat: when you are a suit in control of multi-millions you get the pick of the litter`
`22:52.53`	`asuffield`	`mhall: ever pay to have a building recabled? you don't do that very often before you learn`
`22:52.58`	`foampeace`	`goron should i use unstable?`
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`22:53.00`	`ke6isf`	`foampeace: It's really a slightly later version, that has been placed in security. If you want 1.5, you have to install it by hand.`
`22:53.08`	`goron`	`Eulex: (I couldn't resist kde 3.4.3 that I used on FreeBSD)`
`22:53.08`	`ke6isf`	`!iyhtays foampeace`
`22:53.09`	`dpkg`	`foampeace: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't.`
`22:53.09`	`Eulex`	`goron, well, there's your problem. file a bug.`
`22:53.12`	`mhall`	`dreamboat: rank has its privileges`
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`22:53.38`	`*** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ`
`22:53.39`	`dreamboat`	`mhall: can't see me finding that out firsthand`
`22:53.40`	`goron`	`foampeace: That depends.`
`22:53.41`	`everett_`	`How do I download a debian 2.4 kernel source using aptget?`
`22:53.50`	`kbrooks`	Why doesn't installing the `subversion' package install a init script?
`22:53.50`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@tor/session/x-e29785c07cdb229b] by mentor`
`22:53.51`	`*** kick/#debian [niguere!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor)`
`22:53.54`	`mhall`	`dreamboat: nor me`
`22:53.55`	`cheal`	`everett_: you install the 2.4 kernel source package`
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`22:54.01`	`ThePiratemaster`	`dreamboat, wich ofcource brings us to the question of: wich i better for a blowjob, the hurd kernel or CUPS0.1`
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`22:54.07`	`SimonRaven`	`thanks mentor`
`22:54.13`	`*** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ`
`22:54.16`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: blowjob, most def.`
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`22:54.17`	`Eulex`	`foampeace, you shouldn't use unstable if you don't know a lot about how the debian package system works.`
`22:54.19`	`abrotman`	`that was a tor node .. he can just grab another`
`22:54.19`	`mentor`	`least I could do`
`22:54.20`	`goron`	`foampeace: If you like (thinkering with stuff/run new software) you should.`
`22:54.27`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: nod`
`22:54.30`	`mhall`	`abrotman: tittybiscuits`
`22:54.34`	`ThePiratemaster`	`yes but who can do it best`
`22:54.35`	`Frosted`	`everett_, apt-cache search kernel \| grep 2.4 \| grep source`
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`22:54.37`	`ke6isf`	`abrotman: What's a tor node?`
`22:54.38`	`ThePiratemaster`	`hurd or cups?`
`22:54.49`	`foampeace`	`Eulex: i know how it works...i havent used debian in a while`
`22:54.49`	`goron`	`foampeace: otherwise, you shouldn't.`
`22:54.50`	`abrotman`	`!tore`
`22:54.50`	`dpkg`	`from memory, tore is sexy`
`22:54.51`	`abrotman`	`!tor`
`22:54.51`	`dpkg`	`methinks tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor`
`22:54.54`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: nod to which, i lost context in major scrollfest`
`22:54.56`	`mentor`	`ke6isf: tor is an anonymisation routing system`
`22:55.02`	`foampeace`	`goron: i know how debian works i havent used it in a while...`
`22:55.03`	`Eulex`	`goron, no. don't encourage people to run unstable.`
`22:55.05`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: onion routing ..`
`22:55.06`	`ThePiratemaster`	`!dork`
`22:55.06`	`dpkg`	`A really mean troggle`
`22:55.06`	`asuffield`	`ke6isf: it's a system of open proxies for spamming and worm distribution and shit like that`
`22:55.07`	`mentor`	`ke6isf: Bounces messages around the internet just like the movies.`
`22:55.14`	`ThePiratemaster`	`!dork`
`22:55.15`	`goron`	`Eulex: I am not encouraging.`
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`22:55.21`	`goron`	`Eulex: I said Otherwise you don't.`
`22:55.24`	`scarynetworkguy`	`mhall: Heh. The bit about how you ended up with a really bad billing app.`
`22:55.28`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: stop abusing the bot`
`22:55.28`	`ke6isf`	`!tell ThePiratemaster -about msg the bot`
`22:55.29`	`jadewolf`	`Anyone know a linux program to do flash or SWF movies for web design?`
`22:55.32`	`Eulex`	`foampeace, notice that I didn't say if you know how it works. I said if you know a lot about it.`
`22:55.32`	`mentor`	`asuffield's balanced and objective review wins again.`
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`22:55.34`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: ah yes, precisely`
`22:55.35`	`ThePiratemaster`	`yea i know`
`22:55.38`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: good idea for some stuff .. abused like hell on irc`
`22:55.41`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: that's what happened to me`
`22:55.46`	`asuffield`	`mentor: 'objective' being the key word here :P`
`22:55.47`	`ke6isf`	`abrotman, asuffield, mentor Wow, thanks. =^^=`
`22:55.49`	`kspath`	`why are there so many unsupervised mental cases without medication and why do they all have computers and troll #debian ?`
`22:55.51`	`everett_`	`sound I use kernel-source or kernel-tree ?`
`22:55.54`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: so we used C, C++, AWK, and PHP to kludge it`
`22:55.57`	`*** join/#debian niguere (n=guy@tor/session/x-165463b46a298628)`
`22:55.58`	`everett_`	`to build a new kernel`
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`22:56.03`	`niguere`	`lolwhat`
`22:56.09`	`*** mode/#debian [+o asuffield] by ChanServ`
`22:56.09`	`Eulex`	`goron, sorry`
`22:56.09`	`mhall`	`scarynetworkguy: and essentially wrote our own separate billing app when possible`
`22:56.14`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@tor/*] by asuffield`
`22:56.15`	`kbrooks`	`I have an actual QUESTION. Why won't anyone answer it?`
`22:56.15`	`foampeace`	`Eulex: but then you have to define "a lot"`
`22:56.20`	`*** mode/#debian [-o asuffield] by ChanServ`
`22:56.21`	`mhall`	`asuffield: :-D`
`22:56.23`	`staos`	`WHAT THE HELL!`
`22:56.28`	`kbrooks`	Why doesn't installing the `subversion' package install a init script?
`22:56.29`	`goron`	`Eulex: I learned my lesson the last time I did recommend it.`
`22:56.29`	`ke6isf`	`niguere: Now stfu.`
`22:56.37`	`staos`	`SimonRaven just msged me child porn!`
`22:56.40`	`Eulex`	`foampeace, you know what to do if stuff starts breaking.`
`22:56.43`	`staos`	`WHAT THE HELL!`
`22:56.44`	`foampeace`	`Eulex: why wouldnt I is the question`
`22:56.45`	`everett_`	`frosted should I use kernel-tree or kernel-source?`
`22:56.49`	`resiak`	`kbrooks: Why _would_ itS/`
`22:56.54`	`mhall`	`niguere: Thanks for ruining a public service for everyone, asshole.`
`22:56.55`	`popeye`	`staos: he's doing it to everyone`
`22:56.56`	`popeye`	`just ignore him`
`22:56.59`	`asuffield`	`staos: well then, I suggest you report him to your branch of the PTA`
`22:57.02`	`goron`	`!dr`
`22:57.02`	`dpkg`	`[reference] The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual.`
`22:57.04`	`Eulex`	`foampeace, because stuff does break in unstable sooner or later.`
`22:57.07`	`ThePiratemaster`	`who is niguire?`
`22:57.07`	`SimonRaven`	`w00t asuffield`
`22:57.10`	`kspath`	`niguere: why are there so many unsupervised mental cases without medication and why do they all have computers and troll #debian ? you would be the one to ask, right?`
`22:57.11`	`goron`	`everett_: that one was for you`
`22:57.12`	`ThePiratemaster`	`i never see his messeges`
`22:57.12`	`dreamboat`	`just connecting to my first .pdf webpage in Konqueror - got 99% done and stopped, nothing displayed`
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`22:57.18`	`foampeace`	`Eulex: how bout testing?`
`22:57.22`	`ThePiratemaster`	`nut someone is talking to him`
`22:57.28`	`goron`	`everett_: it contains all the answers you need.`
`22:57.29`	`kbrooks`	`resiak, What does the subversion package have?`
`22:57.31`	`mhall`	`kspath: kind of like asking the number of licks to the center`
`22:57.38`	`mentor`	`staos: Report him to freenode staff if he's doing something out of line with network policy`
`22:57.39`	`mhall`	`kspath: the world will never know`
`22:57.43`	`Opaza`	`@simonraven_ Why the F*CK are u sending me GAY-PORN???��`
`22:57.43`	`ravenbird`	`okay, Opaza`
`22:58.00`	`popeye`	`Opaza, PUT HIM ON IGNORE`
`22:58.05`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: are you really sending people pr0n?`
`22:58.06`	`resiak`	`kbrooks: dpkg -L subversion`
`22:58.09`	`ke6isf`	`!tell Opaza -about spambots`
`22:58.12`	`goron`	`mhall: most likely not`
`22:58.13`	`foampeace`	`Eulex: can i be specific. just came from using ubuntu breezy`
`22:58.13`	`abrotman`	`mhall: get serious`
`22:58.18`	`SimonRaven`	`@forget simonraven_ Why the F*CK`
`22:58.18`	`SimonRaven`	`no`
`22:58.18`	`ravenbird`	`SimonRaven: i forgot simonraven_ why the f*ck`
`22:58.22`	`ThePiratemaster`	`Simon, tnx for the pic of the 7 year old penis, greeting, ThePiratemaster`
`22:58.29`	`Eulex`	`foampeace, testing should be ok if you just have used debian for a while. but watch out, stuff does also break in testing occasionally. currently kde is broken, so I don't recommend running testing if you want kde.`
`22:58.31`	`bluefox83`	`doesn't this network have any policies about getting rid of people who are dealing in porn or child porn?`
`22:58.40`	`ke6isf`	`!spambots`
`22:58.40`	`dpkg`	`spambots are annoying. If you want to prevent the messages from coming at you incessantly, go to http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots and read up.`
`22:58.41`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: then is this a great big huge trollfest or what`
`22:58.43`	`serfurj`	`hi, i followed the guide here to set up hotplugging with libusb: http://www.khk.net/sane/libusb.html, but the permissions still aren't being set. any idea why?`
`22:58.47`	`foampeace`	`Eulex: ubuntu breezy was fine for me`
`22:58.48`	`SimonRaven`	`ffs`
`22:58.51`	`abrotman`	`mhall: it's continued from last night`
`22:58.57`	`SimonRaven`	`mhall: yup`
`22:58.58`	`mhall`	`abrotman: i missed it`
`22:59.05`	`abrotman`	`mhall: oh .. it was fantastic`
`22:59.05`	`Eulex`	`foampeace, I dunno how stable breezy is/was.`
`22:59.06`	`ke6isf`	`bluefox83: They're spambots. They change nicks/proxies/IPs/etc so fast it's hard to pin them down and knock them off.`
`22:59.09`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: any idea why they piced you in particular`
`22:59.14`	`SimonRaven`	`ok, someone give me ops, please`
`22:59.19`	`bluefox83`	`ke6isf, ah, i see`
`22:59.19`	`mentor`	`heh`
`22:59.24`	`foampeace`	`which repo is comparable to ubuntu breezy`
`22:59.29`	`kbrooks`	`SimonRaven, who are you?`
`22:59.30`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: i tried :)`
`22:59.35`	`abrotman`	`kbrooks: who are you?`
`22:59.36`	`SimonRaven`	`probably because i called them on them being boneheads`
`22:59.37`	`ke6isf`	`foampeace: Ask in #ubuntu.`
`22:59.38`	`Opaza`	`@all: thanks for the help, now ignoring this "user"`
`22:59.45`	`mhall`	`SimonRaven: that figures`
`22:59.50`	`ThePiratemaster`	`i already asked this like 6 times nowm can anyone awnser me? the exterior interface is the networking device that is connected to the modem right?`
`22:59.53`	`SimonRaven`	`Opaza: go fuck yourself`
`22:59.54`	`resiak`	`Opaza: Don't prefix stuff with @`
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`23:00.00`	`SimonRaven`	`ThePiratemaster: yes`
`23:00.09`	`ravenbird`	`Leaving. (courtesy of simonraven).`
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`23:00.10`	`asuffield`	`it's probably just the old spambot that concocts random variations on existing nicks`
`23:00.11`	`ke6isf`	`!tell ThePiratemaster -about ask`
`23:00.20`	`abrotman`	`Opaza: i love you`
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`23:00.27`	`kbrooks`	`resiak, OK, so none of those 2 packages have a init script. What do I do?`
`23:00.47`	`resiak`	`kbrooks: Why do you need an init script?`
`23:00.48`	`mentor`	`Opaza: Spambots already. SimonRaven: Don't be abusive`
`23:00.56`	`ThePiratemaster`	`i already 'just asked" 7 times, can u "just read"`
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`23:01.00`	`spermicide`	`So I was just taking a shit, right, when I realize I'm massively constipated from the three Taco Bell burritos I had last night. There was no way that massive log was going to ease its way out of my o-ring without shredding it to bits. It felt like the shit was coming out sideways. I was petrified, scared to move as the shit eased its way half out of my stressed sphincter. Then, the unimaginable happened: it got stuck.`
`23:01.00`	`spermicide`	`I slowly moved of the toilet to the cabinent to get a tube of KY-Jelly out of it; a rather strange sight with a giant brown pickle hanging out of my ass. I quicly applied some lube to my fingers and circled the hard turd with a blob of it, hoping that the lubrication may loosen the strain. Slowly, the turd began to give way, and I used my already lubed hand to slightly tug the shit out of my ass. My fingers slowly dug into the concrete-like turd, and wi`
`23:01.04`	`spermicide`	`th a loud pop and a sharp pain, the 'thing' was finally defecated. I plopped it into the toilet and unfortunately realized there was more on the way. I stuck my lubed finger up my anus to probe, and I felt yet another hard peice of shit. Not thinking about the pain, I stuck another two fingers up my sphincter and grabbed hold of the feces. I pulled it out much like the last one. Yet another turd formed in line in my anus, and I inserted my entire fist i`
`23:01.04`	`*** mode/#debian [+o asuffield] by ChanServ`
`23:01.05`	`*** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ`
`23:01.07`	`*** mode/#debian [+m] by asuffield`
`23:01.09`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@69.46.139.69] by mentor`
`23:01.10`	`*** kick/#debian [spermicide!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor)`
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`23:01.13`	`*** mode/#debian [-m] by asuffield`
`23:01.17`	`zinx`	`so, i guess it's sunday.`
`23:01.18`	`Opaza`	`simonraven: why are you sending me porn and then "fuck yourself". you are really rude!`
`23:01.28`	`ke6isf`	`ThePiratemaster: You ddin't read the entire factoid. Please read the ENTIRE factoid, aight?`
`23:01.28`	`m0r3`	`hi all`
`23:01.29`	`mentor`	`Opaza: Enough now`
`23:01.32`	`resiak`	`kbrooks: svnserve is launched through inetd.`
`23:01.32`	`ThePiratemaster`	`simon send me more porn`
`23:01.38`	`SimonRaven`	`alright fuckers, if you have a problem with me, you start telling me why, and stop with the stupid name calling. you're acting like a bunch of fucking cowards`
`23:01.38`	`abrotman`	`take Opaza too!`
`23:01.40`	`asuffield`	`Opaza: really not interested in hearing it. do it in private or not at all`
`23:01.55`	`SimonRaven`	`Opaza: you have a problem, state it. else, STFU`
`23:01.58`	`ke6isf`	`Opaza: SimonRaven is not sending you porn. Now STFU.`
`23:02.01`	`m0r3`	`i have aproblem`
`23:02.05`	`mhall`	`so... this spambotting of the channel. is it for fun or for profit?`
`23:02.08`	`*** mode/#debian [+b %SimonRaven!@] by mentor`
`23:02.10`	`goron`	`SimonRaven: it might be a bot...`
`23:02.14`	`*** mode/#debian [+bb %Opaza!@ %ThePiratemaster!@] by mentor`
`23:02.24`	`mhall`	`seems like it'd be a real tough thing to profit from`
`23:02.27`	`asuffield`	`mhall: mostly 'profit'`
`23:02.28`	`ke6isf`	`!always sunday`
`23:02.28`	`dpkg`	`Just as it's always September, somewhere, out on the internet, it's always Sunday here in #debian.`
`23:02.34`	`kbrooks`	`I need some help here`
`23:02.42`	`m0r3`	`does someone got hp scanjet 4670 running under debian?`
`23:02.42`	`mhall`	`asuffield: oof, how horrifying`
`23:02.44`	`robin_sz`	`mhall: think yourself lucky .. you got pr0n, I got god botherers!`
`23:02.44`	`asuffield`	`mhall: they send people nonsense that just happens to contain links to those pesky ad-farming porn sites`
`23:02.52`	`asuffield`	`mhall: and they get money for everybody who looks at the ads`
`23:02.53`	`mhall`	`robin_sz: god botherers?`
`23:02.53`	`abrotman`	`this is lovely`
`23:02.54`	`foampeace`	`whats testing nickname`
`23:02.59`	`mentor`	`etch`
`23:03.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 702] by debhelper`
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`23:03.08`	`mentor`	`!tell foampeace about releases`
`23:03.09`	`kbrooks`	`first things first`
`23:03.14`	`robin_sz`	`mhall: some spambots promoting a magic sky-pixie`
`23:03.15`	`mhall`	`robin_sz: and i never actually got any, i was confused because i missed the context that appeared the past few days`
`23:03.21`	`mhall`	`robin_sz: i was on holiday`
`23:03.24`	`kbrooks`	`this is not my system`
`23:03.27`	`kbrooks`	`second`
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`23:03.30`	`*** part/#debian SimonRaven (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn)`
`23:03.38`	`ke6isf`	`robin_sz: A magic sky-pixie?... =O.o=`
`23:03.44`	`mhall`	`asuffield: yeah you'd think advertisers would wise up`
`23:03.44`	`*** mode/#debian [-o asuffield] by ChanServ`
`23:03.46`	`kbrooks`	`what is the simplest way to startup SVN?`
`23:03.47`	`nanok_`	`this is chaos..`
`23:03.52`	`mhall`	`asuffield: but they don't unfortunately`
`23:04.04`	`ke6isf`	`nanok_: You're new to IRC, aren't you? =^^=`
`23:04.06`	`asuffield`	`mhall: have you ever met a marketdroid who had any apparent connection to reality?`
`23:04.09`	`woodland`	`hi`
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`23:04.14`	`mhall`	`asuffield: hmm that's a good point you make`
`23:04.16`	`foampeace`	`mentor: i have no http yet`
`23:04.21`	`nanok_`	`ke6isf: no, i just haven't spent many sundays on #debian`
`23:04.22`	`foampeace`	`mentor: web browser`
`23:04.25`	`asuffield`	`mhall: you just have to remember who is, ultimately, paying for this stuff`
`23:04.29`	`ke6isf`	`nanok_: Next best thing.`
`23:04.30`	`mentor`	`foampeace: apt-get install lynx :)`
`23:04.31`	`resiak`	`kbrooks: Read the svn book for really, really well-written docs.`
`23:04.41`	`robin_sz`	`mhall: apparently, there are groups of people who believe that the world was created by some magic sky-pixie or something, I didn;t quite follow the rest of it .. but it was pretty weird.`
`23:04.45`	`mhall`	`robin_sz: oof`
`23:04.47`	`goron`	`asuffield: the sun?`
`23:04.49`	`foampeace`	`mentor: unstable will break yes or no?`
`23:04.54`	`mentor`	`foampeace: yes`
`23:04.55`	`mhall`	`robin_sz: like a scientology type deal`
`23:04.57`	`ke6isf`	`foampeace: Yes.`
`23:04.58`	`nanok_`	`i guess it goes to show that humans generally suck.`
`23:05.02`	`foampeace`	`testing will break yes or no?`
`23:05.04`	`micahf`	`hey how do you dial in minicom`
`23:05.07`	`asuffield`	`goron: good heavens no, the economy hasn't been based on tangible good in years :P`
`23:05.09`	`mhall`	`robin_sz: now... are you getting it as irc spam or are they spamming your house`
`23:05.10`	`micahf`	`for the life of me I can't figure it out`
`23:05.11`	`resiak`	`foampeace: yes, yes.`
`23:05.12`	`mentor`	`foampeace: In fact the reason it isn't stable is that it is broken. always`
`23:05.15`	`asuffield`	`s/good/goods/`
`23:05.17`	`micahf`	`I looked on google and everything`
`23:05.18`	`robin_sz`	`mhall: something like that .. this lot were "christians" or something ... I didnt pay much attention`
`23:05.20`	`ke6isf`	`foampeace: Before you ask more, anything will break if enough force is applied.`
`23:05.23`	`*** mode/#debian [-b %SimonRaven!@] by mentor`
`23:05.33`	`Eulex`	`foampeace, unstable: eventually, yes. testing: just minor breakages sometimes`
`23:05.35`	`mhall`	`micahf: it's got some menus and whatnot`
`23:05.41`	`m0r3`	`i think unstable not break all time.... depends how deep you are`
`23:05.44`	`mhall`	`micahf: i think escape brings em up`
`23:05.46`	`ke6isf`	`robin_sz: Oy gevalt, my faith has resorted to spamming....`
`23:05.48`	`foampeace`	`is testing called woody?`
`23:05.54`	`nanok_`	`foampeace: everything will break, eventually. wellcome to our universe`
`23:05.55`	`mhall`	`robin_sz: craptacular`
`23:05.55`	`goron`	`foampeace: no`
`23:05.56`	`micahf`	`control-a then z does`
`23:05.57`	`Eulex`	`foampeace, no, etch`
`23:05.57`	`abrotman`	`foampeace: no .. you were already told .. pay attention`
`23:05.58`	`*** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ`
`23:06.01`	`m0r3`	`emails? web surfing? bah`
`23:06.08`	`m0r3`	`not crash`
`23:06.10`	`micahf`	`mhall, I got the menu, I just can't figure out where to enter my number`
`23:06.11`	`mhall`	`ke6isf: oy gevalt? that's yiddish eh?`
`23:06.11`	`Eulex`	`foampeace, woody is the old stable`
`23:06.16`	`kbrooks`	`resiak, I know how to startup SVN, but the server I want to startup SVN is not owned by me, and I'm concerned about what happens if this server reboots`
`23:06.19`	`ke6isf`	`mhall: Yep.`
`23:06.22`	`mhall`	`micahf: yeah haven't used it since i got broadband`
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`23:06.24`	`micahf`	`mhall, there is a directory but I can't change anything`
`23:06.30`	`mhall`	`micahf: you can do it with modem commands`
`23:06.41`	`mhall`	`micahf: ATDT 555-1212`
`23:06.41`	`resiak`	`kbrooks: svnserve doesn't run all the time in the background ... why would rebooting it make any difference?`
`23:06.50`	`mhall`	`micahf: assuming you got touchtone`
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`23:07.00`	`mhall`	`micahf: otherwise perhaps ATDP for pulse`
`23:07.02`	`micahf`	`ah`
`23:07.03`	`micahf`	`ok`
`23:07.03`	`m0r3`	`again i need some help`
`23:07.04`	`micahf`	`thanks`
`23:07.05`	`kbrooks`	`resiak, i want it to start up automatically on boot`
`23:07.10`	`mhall`	`micahf: just look up the hayes command set`
`23:07.13`	`resiak`	`kbrooks: It DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT`
`23:07.16`	`micahf`	`ok thanks`
`23:07.19`	`resiak`	`kbrooks: It gets launched on demand from inetd.`
`23:07.23`	`m0r3`	`someone has hp scanjet 4670 running under debian?`
`23:07.27`	`mhall`	`micahf: that will tell you everything you can tweak and configure using the modem commands`
`23:07.27`	`ke6isf`	`!tell m0r3 -about ask`
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`23:07.27`	`resiak`	`kbrooks: Read the SVN book.`
`23:07.40`	`ke6isf`	`!tell m0r3 -about repeat`
`23:08.04`	`m0r3`	`new scanner at home and no drivers this is HP scanjet 4670`
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`23:08.14`	`micahf`	`it isn't even letting me type mhall`
`23:08.20`	`kbrooks`	`resiak, I don't OWN THE SERVER!`
`23:08.37`	`ke6isf`	`kbrooks: Do you have root access?`
`23:08.39`	`resiak`	`kbrooks: I'm failing to see how this makes any difference at all`
`23:08.46`	`mentor`	`arg...too much shouting`
`23:08.47`	`kbrooks`	`ke6isf, sudo access, yes`
`23:08.55`	`goron`	`m0r3: look whether there exist drivers for that scanner. Follow instructions. Done (or fail).`
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`23:08.59`	`ke6isf`	`kbrooks: Can you sudo for all functions?`
`23:09.03`	`mhall`	`micahf: hmm, it might be you need to enable local echo`
`23:09.07`	`kbrooks`	`ke6isf, yes I can`
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`23:09.14`	`mhall`	`micahf: or maybe you have not got the serial port settings right yet`
`23:09.20`	`almost-ctr`	`Can anyone help me ? I have installed the debian pgsql packages, how do I create a database ?`
`23:09.22`	`iturk`	`hi there guys Happy New Year !!`
`23:09.43`	`mhall`	`micahf: i think there is some way to start it into some configuration mode where you can set up the defaults`
`23:09.46`	`iturk`	`is there any player capable to run wma for linux ??`
`23:09.51`	`mhall`	`micahf: i think the manual page says how`
`23:09.58`	`resiak`	`!tell iturk -about w32codecs`
`23:09.59`	`ke6isf`	`almost-ctr: You might check the postgres tutorial online.`
`23:10.00`	`nanok_`	`iturk: mplayer`
`23:10.01`	`Eulex`	`iturk, yes, get mplayer from marillat`
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`23:10.04`	`m0r3`	`uh??? is there some one?`
`23:10.05`	`mhall`	`iturk: yes there are some but why do you want to do it`
`23:10.18`	`nanok_`	`mhall: good point`
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`23:10.28`	`goron`	`m0r3: you have this thing between your ears... use it.`
`23:10.30`	`mhall`	`nanok_: wma is such a hideous crapheap`
`23:10.39`	`mhall`	`goron: don't count on that`
`23:10.44`	`nanok_`	`mhall: the question should be : "how do i transcode wma to ogg?"`
`23:10.45`	`nanok_`	`:)`
`23:10.45`	`micahf`	`mhall`
`23:10.48`	`micahf`	`oops`
`23:10.49`	`abrotman`	`almost-ctr: become root .. become postgres user .. create your own DB user .. then create your database`
`23:10.51`	`micahf`	`mhall, thanks`
`23:11.00`	`mhall`	`micahf: yeah sorry about the weirdness of it`
`23:11.02`	`micahf`	`mhall, now I can't get out of minicom :D`
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`23:11.11`	`mhall`	`micahf: modem programs are all kind of a pain in the ass sometimes hehe`
`23:11.23`	`goron`	`!transcode`
`23:11.23`	`dpkg`	`well, transcode is a linux text-console utility for video stream processing. http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/, or xk gives it a stamp of approval`
`23:11.25`	`mhall`	`micahf: control A X maybe`
`23:11.37`	`mhall`	`micahf: control A H is help i think`
`23:11.47`	`goron`	`Hmm, I wanted that entry with saying that transcoding was bad, and all.`
`23:11.52`	`iturk`	`mhall: sometimes some music that we get cames in other formats`
`23:11.56`	`micahf`	`ah`
`23:11.57`	`micahf`	`got it`
`23:11.58`	`micahf`	`thanks`
`23:12.03`	`asuffield`	`ESC Z is the minicom menu`
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`23:12.16`	`m0r3`	`goron: many many thank you but where is this one driver you saw?`
`23:12.24`	`mhall`	`asuffield: thanks, my memory of it was sorta poor`
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`23:12.28`	`micahf`	`wait esc and control-z are the same huh`
`23:12.37`	`mhall`	`iturk: reconsider purchasing it`
`23:12.37`	`asuffield`	`they aren't`
`23:12.40`	`goron`	`m0r3: You behave as a bot.`
`23:12.44`	`asuffield`	`minicom just works like that`
`23:12.51`	`mhall`	`iturk: it'll never get better if people keep buying proprietary schlock`
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`23:13.21`	`almost-ctr`	`abrotman: thanks :)`
`23:13.26`	`VPR5703`	`ok`
`23:13.30`	`abrotman`	`almost-ctr: make sense ?`
`23:13.30`	`dreamboat`	`bye all`
`23:13.32`	`VPR5703`	`now I have another problem..`
`23:13.39`	`VPR5703`	`see ay dreamboat`
`23:13.44`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: mental or physical?`
`23:13.44`	`asuffield`	`mhall: I don't think I've ever bought a wma, mostly you only find them on edonkey or something :P`
`23:13.50`	`VPR5703`	`Im not sure now.`
`23:13.51`	`VPR5703`	`haha`
`23:13.55`	`asuffield`	`apes, those suck too`
`23:14.06`	`mhall`	`asuffield: lots of proprietary stuff is wma with DRM`
`23:14.13`	`VPR5703`	`ive been sitting htrying to install bebian for five hours now.`
`23:14.16`	`asuffield`	`yeah but who wants to listen to that?`
`23:14.17`	`VPR5703`	`Im ready to give up.`
`23:14.19`	`nanok_`	`mhall: oh, no, dont say DRM..`
`23:14.22`	`mhall`	`asuffield: that's my point`
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`23:14.25`	`mhall`	`nanok_: sry`
`23:14.29`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: Well, what seems to be the problem?`
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`23:14.31`	`VPR5703`	`8debian`
`23:14.36`	`VPR5703`	`Right now?`
`23:14.39`	`mhall`	`asuffield: wma is a hilariously bad format`
`23:14.44`	`VPR5703`	`still cant get into the graphical interface`
`23:14.45`	`asuffield`	`wma is at least four different bad formats`
`23:14.46`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: Well, yeah, right now?`
`23:14.58`	`mhall`	`asuffield: well, technicalities aside ;-)`
`23:15.03`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: You have that Nvidia card, right?`
`23:15.13`	`VPR5703`	`GeForce 6200 yea`
`23:15.16`	`everett_`	`what packages are required for make xconfig?`
`23:15.24`	`mhall`	`asuffield: if microsoft's comfortable lumping all of their worthless crap into one pile than so am i`
`23:15.26`	`nanok_`	`mhall: shamefull sony minidisc purchaser here. i hate that shit so much i can't get myself in the state to sell it (i.e. i can;t find someone i hate enough to even think about convincing him to buy it)`
`23:15.33`	`VPR5703`	`it says "error no screens" when I attempt to run GDM`
`23:15.37`	`mhall`	`everett_: just use menuconfig; libncurses5-dev`
`23:15.42`	`iturk`	`mhall: i agree with you proprietary stuff should have less support from the open source comunity`
`23:15.47`	`resiak`	`!no screens foun`
`23:15.50`	`DragonD`	`ok i have a problem. all i have is the min install cd. it doesn't have the make command or c/c++ compiler packages on it and i can't download them cause i need ndiswrapper to get my netcard working. any ideas?`
`23:15.57`	`goron`	`mhall: I don't think proprietary programs are bad, as long as there are no prop. formats/protocols, etc. But in practice I think it would be rather hard to document a format. E.g. I wonder whether people will be able to understand the OASIS spec.`
`23:15.59`	`ke6isf`	`!no screens found`
`23:16.00`	`dpkg`	`no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x".`
`23:16.02`	`mhall`	`nanok_: just put it on craigslist and let the the free market reign supreme`
`23:16.04`	`VPR5703`	`Im with you resaik`
`23:16.11`	`asuffield`	`mhall: it's a deliberate marketing strategy. by pretending that each new version is still wma, they deflect people's worries about using something 'new'`
`23:16.12`	`Wyzard\|TP`	`DragonD: Use a different network card for the installation`
`23:16.16`	`Moeen`	`anybody know how can I move my windows out of Desktop boundries ? The Title of Windows can't go upper or downer than Panels in Gnome:(`
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`23:17.02`	`*** topic/#debian is GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian \| RELEASED: 3.1r1 http://xrl.us/jayp \| FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ \| BORKED: yaird/kernels (#343042/#343048) \| /msg dpkg bts \| /msg dpkg testing security \| X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge \| NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster \| /msg bots NOT people \| /msg dpkg java \| /msg dpkg kde3.4 \| /msg dpkg apt secure \| Please note: this is not #ubuntu.`
`23:17.02`	`VPR5703`	`I dont have a gefocre 4`
`23:17.02`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: Have you tried the nvidia one-liner yet?`
`23:17.02`	`VPR5703`	`but Ok`
`23:17.04`	`asuffield`	`mhall: also reliability, performance, and inconvinience`
`23:17.13`	`abrotman`	`apt: wb`
`23:17.15`	`apt`	`thx`
`23:17.15`	`VPR5703`	`No, I have to keep booting into Windows to get support`
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`23:17.15`	`goron`	`mhall: OASIS has a reference implementation. So, that doesn't really count.`
`23:17.17`	`m0r3`	`goron: whats happening here??? a polite closer club???? sory bud i thought you really could help.... but not you cant... and of course THERE IS NOT A DRIVER for that scanner`
`23:17.20`	`abrotman`	`or not`
`23:17.20`	`mhall`	`goron: not true`
`23:17.22`	`nanok_`	`mhall: i am so happy now with my cheapish junkish flash memory mp3player, i can't believe i was so bloody stupid to buy sony`
`23:17.25`	`m0r3`	`tkx all`
`23:17.27`	`m0r3`	`bye`
`23:17.32`	`mhall`	`goron: those were independently implemented code bases`
`23:17.36`	`nanok_`	`but at least that taught me a lesson, i guess`
`23:17.36`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: OK, then what you can do when you boot back into Linux is install irssi.`
`23:17.37`	`Moeen`	`resiak, how can I get out of this feature ?!`
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`23:18.02`	`*** topic/#debian is GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian \| RELEASED: 3.1r1 http://xrl.us/jayp \| FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ \| BORKED: yaird/kernels (#343042/#343048) \| /msg dpkg bts \| /msg dpkg testing security \| X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge \| NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster \| /msg bots NOT people \| /msg dpkg java \| /msg dpkg kde3.4 \| /msg dpkg apt secure \| Please note: this is not #ubuntu.`
`23:18.02`	`DragonD`	`Wyzard\|TP: could i download the ndiswrapper package?`
`23:18.02`	`VPR5703`	`irssi whats that do?`
`23:18.02`	`nanok_`	`diana: try ftp.lug.ro instead`
`23:18.12`	`DragonD`	`Wyzard\|TP: is that 3com wireless?`
`23:18.14`	`asuffield`	`diana: given the time of day, the mirror's probably updating right now`
`23:18.17`	`asuffield`	`diana: or it could just be broken`
`23:18.18`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: It's a console based IRC client.`
`23:18.19`	`nanok_`	`diana: see if it's any better`
`23:18.19`	`mhall`	`goron: koffice and ooo 2.x.x were rather deliberately so such that they could meet the common 2 implementation requiement for further approval beyond OASIS`
`23:18.21`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard\|TP: please don't IRC from the can :)`
`23:18.21`	`Wyzard\|TP`	`DragonD: No, wired`
`23:18.25`	`VPR5703`	`cant do taht`
`23:18.27`	`raden`	`anyone ever hit the tab key trying to complete sentences ?`
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`23:18.39`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: Why not?`
`23:18.40`	`Wyzard\|TP`	`abrotman: This is my shiny new ThinkPad... just arrived a few days ago :-)`
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`23:18.44`	`nanok_`	`raden: ofc, all the time`
`23:18.46`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard\|TP: T or X ?`
`23:18.49`	`Moeen`	`resiak, of course it's not my answer !`
`23:18.50`	`VPR5703`	`I cant on the internet because my 802.11 card needs ndiswrapper to work right`
`23:18.52`	`Wyzard\|TP`	`abrotman: Z60m`
`23:18.52`	`goron`	`mhall: You are saying that the Corel guys never looked at the OpenOffice code to check whether the code was consistent?`
`23:18.55`	`nanok_`	`raden: you;ll get used to it..`
`23:18.57`	`mhall`	`nanok_: the only Sony shit i buy is headphones`
`23:18.58`	`SerajewelKS`	`if i have the .tar.gz and .dsc files for a source package, what is the proper way to unpack them?`
`23:18.58`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard\|TP: oh .. the new line ...`
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`23:19.03`	`mhall`	`nanok_: which they can't encumber`
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`23:19.09`	`mhall`	`nanok_: otherwise they can go fuck themselves`
`23:19.13`	`raden`	`nanok_, i need a cat5 to my brain for autocomplete drives me nutz`
`23:19.15`	`staos`	`yeah`
`23:19.27`	`nanok_`	`mhall: mhh, yes, they are good (mainlly because they cant put any drm shit in there...yet)`
`23:19.28`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: I'm a little clueless about wireless networking, admittedly, but what's stopping you from installing the ndiswrapper?`
`23:19.29`	`Wyzard\|TP`	`DragonD: Altertnatively, you could use another Debian system to build the ndiswrapper kernel module package (or maybe there's a precompiled one for that kernel) and put it on a USB stick or something so you can load it from the installer`
`23:19.31`	`mhall`	`goron: perhaps they will but it doesn't matter much`
`23:19.38`	`VPR5703`	`I dont knoe actually`
`23:19.43`	`VPR5703`	`Ive never tried it I guess.`
`23:19.47`	`VPR5703`	`Hmm`
`23:19.47`	`mhall`	`goron: the standard has enough wide support to sort itself out`
`23:19.50`	`asuffield`	`sony headphones suck. mine are from grado`
`23:19.53`	`nanok_`	`raden: cool off, we've all done it. it grows on you, after a while.. :)`
`23:19.56`	`staos`	`sam: are you here?`
`23:19.56`	`Wyzard\|TP`	`DragonD: I don't know much about the procedure for loading additional drivers during installation, though, because I've never needed to do it myself`
`23:20.14`	`mhall`	`nanok_: i wonder when they start using HDCP in their phones`
`23:20.19`	`resiak`	`Moeen: I don't think you can disable that "feature" of metacity.`
`23:20.26`	`goron`	`mhall: ok, well I don't know the internals of the spec, but my point was that a non-trivial spec is ambiguous.`
`23:20.29`	`Wyzard\|TP`	`DragonD: Personally I'd just obtain (buy or borrow) an inexpensive non-wireless card that doesn't need ndiswrapper, and use that for the installation`
`23:20.36`	`ke6isf`	`!tell VPR5703 -about ndiswrapper`
`23:20.36`	`nanok_`	`i actually once used ayttm, btw, and was shocked to see it was actually learning, and would soon be able to complete words for me. that was briliant..`
`23:20.37`	`mhall`	`goron: that's not a fair statement`
`23:20.47`	`raden`	`nanok_, lol just drives me nutz i hit the tab key like 3 times before i relize oh yeah im not typing commands`
`23:20.53`	`goron`	`mhall: why?`
`23:20.57`	`DragonD`	`Wyzard\|TP: i've installed the bas system now. all i need is to get my network card working then i can use apt-get to do the rest.`
`23:21.01`	`mhall`	`goron: besides the whole idea of multiple implementations is to force the ambiguities to be ironed out if there are any`
`23:21.09`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: Just sent instructions for ndiswrapper from dpkg. Follow the other instructions I gave you, and if you have to, print them out.`
`23:21.12`	`VPR5703`	`can I get ndiswrapper from the Sarge DVD?`
`23:21.16`	`mhall`	`goron: my point is that the accuracy and precision of a spec are not related to the scope`
`23:21.25`	`Moeen`	`VPR5703, yes`
`23:21.29`	`mhall`	`goron: unless you are saying that there is a fixed deadline to make the spec`
`23:21.31`	`goron`	`mhall: depends on the spec language.`
`23:21.34`	`VPR5703`	`Awesome`
`23:21.41`	`VPR5703`	`And about all those &'s`
`23:21.44`	`nanok_`	`raden: ah, cool off, young warryor. you will soon find yourself typing incomplete words, and having to correct them after, cause you hit tab so fast..`
`23:21.50`	`mhall`	`goron: in which case there is a limitation of how much quality vs scope vs etc can be achieved`
`23:21.55`	`Wyzard\|TP`	`DragonD: You could download the debs manually from packages.debian.org and transfer them onto the new system with a USB stick or CD-R`
`23:21.58`	`VPR5703`	`do I enter that entire command as shown or is there some way to separate it?`
`23:22.01`	`goron`	`mhall: If there's no deadline, then by definition you are right.`
`23:22.01`	`nanok_`	`there's a lot yet you have to come to terms with..`
`23:22.07`	`mhall`	`goron: but seeing as how they plodded through it carefully for a number of years i don't see it as a problem`
`23:22.23`	`mhall`	`goron: they did leave out a few weird cases like spreadsheet formulas though`
`23:22.47`	`mhall`	`goron: because they thought that the spreadsheet people needed to decide more issues first`
`23:23.00`	`pawdro`	`how to update to the latest gnome in sarge?`
`23:23.05`	`DragonD`	`Wyzard\|TP: that's what i'm working on...`
`23:23.14`	`mhall`	`!tell pawdro about backports`
`23:23.36`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: The && in the one liners means "proceed with the command after this if the command preceding was successful; otherwise, stop."`
`23:23.45`	`VPR5703`	`ok thanks`
`23:23.55`	`goron`	`mhall: It would be interesting to hear the experiences of the Corel developers(well at least for me).`
`23:24.08`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: You can separate them at the &&s (and accordingly omit the &&), if you'll be typing by hand off of hard copy.`
`23:24.11`	`mhall`	`goron: yeah i suppose they will get interviewed at some point`
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`23:24.17`	`VPR5703`	`thanks`
`23:24.20`	`mhall`	`goron: apparently they have started to work on the support`
`23:24.27`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: No problem. Good luck.`
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`23:24.38`	`mhall`	`goron: you could also probably talk with the kde people; they implemented before ooo ironically`
`23:24.47`	`VPR5703`	`Im going to get the windows driver for my card and a few other things and burn then to CD so I can transfer it`
`23:25.02`	`DragonD`	`Wyzard\|TP: it's hard to trace all the dependicys`
`23:25.18`	`TGoC`	`how can i change root pass of shell?`
`23:25.35`	`goron`	`mhall: You are saying that KOffice has completely implemented the OASIS spec? That's impressive.`
`23:25.43`	`bizkit`	`TGoC: of shell?`
`23:25.44`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: What kind of card do you have?`
`23:25.45`	`mhall`	`goron: apparently they did yeah`
`23:26.02`	`VPR5703`	`Belkin 802.11G based on the Broadcom 34xx chipset`
`23:26.02`	`mhall`	`goron: ooo and koffice still have some missing stuff when you exchange documents`
`23:26.20`	`TGoC`	`bizkit when you log into shell/console w/e you specify a pass. i want to change that one of root`
`23:26.21`	`mhall`	`goron: but for documents without ole-like linked stuff they seem to exchange ok for me`
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`23:26.29`	`VPR5703`	`I have a third-party driver for it thats native to linux, but how do I install it?`
`23:26.31`	`bizkit`	`TGoC: as root type 'passwd'`
`23:26.37`	`TGoC`	`k thx`
`23:26.40`	`TGoC`	`thanks*`
`23:26.46`	`mhall`	`goron: i didn't have good luck when i tried to exchange a doc with an inline spreadsheet though`
`23:26.52`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: That I don't know.`
`23:26.57`	`VPR5703`	`Ok`
`23:27.01`	`mhall`	`goron: it was a whitepaper i wrote in ooo2 on a stats project`
`23:27.02`	`VPR5703`	`Ill read up on it see if I can find any info`
`23:27.05`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: What kind of file did the driver come in?`
`23:27.19`	`VPR5703`	`tarbll`
`23:27.25`	`goron`	`mhall: stats==statistics?`
`23:27.27`	`VPR5703`	`.tar.bz2`
`23:27.35`	`nanok_`	`diana: did that help?..`
`23:27.38`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: 2.6.xx kernel already supports bcm 34`
`23:27.49`	`VPR5703`	`its not detecting my card though`
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`23:27.55`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: ?`
`23:27.56`	`ke6isf`	`mhall: He has to modprobe, I'm guessing?`
`23:28.02`	`mhall`	`ke6isf: yeah probably`
`23:28.10`	`mhall`	`goron: yes, statistics`
`23:28.29`	`VPR5703`	`When it goes though the install to configure networking, all that comes up are my two wired and my FireWire connection`
`23:28.29`	`mhall`	`goron: so it had to have some inlined result tables and data tables`
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`23:28.40`	`Ben2`	`hello`
`23:28.49`	`mhall`	`goron: it probably would have worked if i used word proc tables instead of the inline ods files`
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`23:28.53`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: It's infinitely easier to help with this if you're actually in Debian. You have the Sarge DVD, right?`
`23:28.58`	`VPR5703`	`yeah`
`23:28.59`	`mhall`	`goron: but i was tired lazy and burnt out at the time`
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`23:29.23`	`DragonD`	`how do i install the deps after i get them on the debian system?`
`23:29.23`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: but bcm 34xx is the broadcom ethernet chip isn't it?`
`23:29.24`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: Then install irssi from the DVD. For now, if you have a functional wire connection out, rely on that until the wireless can get operational.`
`23:29.27`	`VPR5703`	`No`
`23:29.34`	`VPR5703`	`The 34xx chip is the wireless chip`
`23:29.35`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: the wireless chipset is not supported`
`23:29.44`	`VPR5703`	`I know`
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`23:29.47`	`usn`	`hi there, I've got a strange issue: When I press any lock key (num lock, caps lock, scroll lock) no keyboard input is accepted any more. Before this, everything works fine. I have been looking up and down in google, but without results. Has sb. any idea?`
`23:29.51`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: how did you score a driver`
`23:29.51`	`ke6isf`	`mhall: He noted a 3rd party.`
`23:29.52`	`VPR5703`	`thats why Im trying to do this.`
`23:29.59`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: and where can i get it`
`23:30.08`	`VPR5703`	`I can send you the file if you want`
`23:30.12`	`VPR5703`	`I cant do anything with it`
`23:30.13`	`ke6isf`	`VPR5703: Do 'tar -jxvf filename.tar.gz' on the driver file, and look for a readme file.`
`23:30.18`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: haha sweet`
`23:30.23`	`VPR5703`	`Im reading the readme`
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`23:30.30`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: send send send`
`23:30.36`	`VPR5703`	`ok hold on here`
`23:30.37`	`goron`	`mhall: I am willing to send you a driver to0 :D`
`23:30.37`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: i could really use it for my laptop`
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`23:30.44`	`ke6isf`	`mhall: Tag. =^^=`
`23:30.45`	`mhall`	`goron: which one?`
`23:30.49`	`goron`	`mhall: I just love kernel space.`
`23:30.53`	`mhall`	`ke6isf: i'm it?`
`23:30.53`	`VPR5703`	`mhall you have any IM client?`
`23:31.05`	`ke6isf`	`mhall: Yep. You'll probably be able to figure this one out easier.`
`23:31.19`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: yeah i do`
`23:31.21`	`ke6isf`	`mhall: That wireless bit alone.`
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`23:31.26`	`goron`	`mhall: I am saying that you shouldn't accept random driver from anyone.`
`23:31.29`	`nanok_`	`mhall: wireless chipset/card producers are probably the scond shittyest bloody idiots since sony.. :(`
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`23:31.37`	`mhall`	`goron: it's just a pos laptop`
`23:31.37`	`frezr4ze`	`"tar -j" is for bz2 is that not "tar -z"`
`23:31.44`	`mhall`	`goron: and i'll back it up first anyways`
`23:31.46`	`VPR5703`	`This is from a few guys who reverse engineere the win32 drivers for it`
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`23:31.51`	`mhall`	`nanok_: no kidding`
`23:31.52`	`goron`	`mhall: not on Linux, you could on Minix.`
`23:31.57`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: lol that's awesome`
`23:32.07`	`ke6isf`	`frezr4ze: Since he has a .tar.bz2 file, -j is correct. And no, -z is for .gz`
`23:32.13`	`mhall`	`goron: what on minix`
`23:32.26`	`goron`	`mhall: run drivers from Joe Random.`
`23:32.27`	`VPR5703`	`http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/`
`23:32.33`	`goron`	`mhall: they run in user space.`
`23:32.43`	`goron`	`mhall: (all of them)`
`23:32.44`	`mhall`	`goron: but they can still delete stuff etc`
`23:32.47`	`frezr4ze`	`ke6isf: just read that: VPR5703: Do 'tar -jxvf filename.tar.gz' on the driver file,`
`23:32.47`	`VPR5703`	`For all who are interested, that is thier webspace`
`23:32.50`	`mhall`	`goron: they are root after all`
`23:32.55`	`goron`	`mhall: no`
`23:32.58`	`nanok_`	`VPR5703: that IS nice. it is also sad, the fucking idiots who made the chipset should have done it or at least comissioned it to them, and get some more market share`
`23:33.19`	`VPR5703`	`if I can figure out how the HELL to get it installed id run the text IRC client`
`23:33.28`	`ke6isf`	`frezr4ze: Oh, crud. Typo on my part. But yeah, -z is correct for a .gz, which I'm used to. =^^=`
`23:33.34`	`VPR5703`	`but I think it requires a desktop, shich I cant get into`
`23:33.39`	`nanok_`	`this goes to show again that humans are generally genuinly stupid, and that "suits" sometimes don't even get "thinking only about the money" right`
`23:33.44`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, it doesnt`
`23:33.48`	`frezr4ze`	`ke6isf, no problem :)`
`23:33.52`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, su -i`
`23:33.56`	`VPR5703`	`Im reading the readme, and Im lost. haha`
`23:34.34`	`kbrooks`	`VPR5703, don't use linux if you dont even understand zero of it`
`23:34.41`	`VPR5703`	`I was hoping to get into it`
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`23:34.55`	`mhall`	`kbrooks: give him a break`
`23:35.13`	`goron`	`Best way to learn Linux is to use it.`
`23:35.14`	`mhall`	`kbrooks: people didn't shit on you when you were learning`
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`23:35.24`	`kbrooks`	`mhall, true`
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`23:35.42`	`DragonD`	`how do i install deb file manualy?`
`23:35.42`	`abrotman`	`feetlover is broken!`
`23:35.47`	`abrotman`	`DragonD: man dpkg`
`23:35.52`	`nanok_`	`kbrooks: how can one understand anything if one will not start somewhere.. i didnt even understand shit about computers when i started. had i not taken on linux , i probably would be just as iliterate today`
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`23:35.55`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: i'm going to screw with this driver for a while`
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`23:35.56`	`nanok_`	`no flame intended`
`23:36.05`	`VPR5703`	`OK. if ya get it working, let me know!`
`23:36.10`	`goron`	`I don't think anyone completely knows linux.`
`23:36.10`	`kbrooks`	`nanok_, that isnt flaing`
`23:36.11`	`abrotman`	`nanok_: you are still illiterate :)`
`23:36.15`	`g3brown`	`I'm going to use an APC UPS on a Sarge fileserver. I see a few UPS apps in apt-cache. Which is best/popular? genpower? apcd?`
`23:36.18`	`DragonD`	`abrotman: i'm not in linux right now`
`23:36.30`	`abrotman`	`DragonD: then when you get there .. man dpkg :)`
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`23:36.38`	`mhall`	`VPR5703: did you get that?`
`23:36.38`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: yes, that is one of the first things you realise once you get to understand some things..`
`23:36.40`	`VPR5703`	`how can I register on this network?`
`23:36.43`	`VPR5703`	`yeah`
`23:36.45`	`VPR5703`	`but I cant reply.`
`23:36.49`	`DragonD`	`abrotman: truct me i will`
`23:36.52`	`abrotman`	`VPR5703: /msg nickserv help`
`23:36.56`	`DragonD`	`s/trust`
`23:36.59`	`VPR5703`	`ok thanks`
`23:37.05`	`TGoC`	`VPR5703 /msg nickserv help register`
`23:37.14`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: if you're not conscious of it, than you havent gotten to understanding anything yet, i guess :)`
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`23:37.29`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: and yes, my spelling does suck :P`
`23:37.32`	`abrotman`	`nanok_: dunno .. i still feel pretty dumb some days`
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`23:38.04`	`whatever`	`yo yo..... hm, does anyone know of a good article that talks about the overhead of using different types of md software raids?`
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`23:38.46`	`nanok_`	`whatever: hm, what exactly do you mean by overhead?..`
`23:39.01`	`whatever`	`nanok_: resource/cpu usage`
`23:39.06`	`abrotman`	`the cpu usage of using software raid .. and say .. raid1 vs raid5`
`23:39.13`	`whatever`	`exactly`
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`23:39.19`	`bobesponja`	`hey all`
`23:39.26`	`nanok_`	`whatever: for one, you can rest assured: you can't get hardware raid for under about 300usd or so, the one built into mobo's is _shit_`
`23:39.29`	`whatever`	`abrotman: and possibly comparing it to hardware`
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`23:39.48`	`abrotman`	`nanok_: you can get a hw raid controller for about $300`
`23:39.50`	`bobesponja`	`when I get a "Errors were encountered while processing:" where can I get the error log?`
`23:39.58`	`bobesponja`	`(with dpkg)`
`23:39.59`	`Boert`	`hello..i have installed debian as a router for some windows clients in my lan..all works nice, http etc, now i need port 113 idendt at my win clients for ftp idendt, i nned a iptables rule for the router now, anyone can help me plz, i a debian newcomer`
`23:40.01`	`nanok_`	`whatever: and sometimes even relatively cheap hw raid is outperformed by linux sw raid, afaik`
`23:40.13`	`ke6isf`	`bobesponja: Should be right there on the monitor.`
`23:40.17`	`whatever`	`nanok_: yes, but thats hardware raid you're talking about. I just asked for documentation about software raids. lol`
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`23:40.26`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: that's what i said..more or less :)`
`23:40.31`	`Acidic32`	`how do i open multiple ports`
`23:40.33`	`Acidic32`	`in one go?`
`23:40.34`	`abrotman`	`nanok_: you said can't`
`23:40.35`	`whatever`	`anyways.`
`23:40.41`	`bobesponja`	`ke6isf: but the only thing I get is the name of the package`
`23:40.43`	`abrotman`	`whatever: did you check the sw raid howto ?`
`23:40.52`	`abrotman`	`whatever: also .. query ##linux`
`23:41.02`	`whatever`	`abrotman: that dosen't give overhead differences, just how-to set them up. ^_^`
`23:41.05`	`nanok_`	`whatever: i was asking what is your concern, really (sw raid5 vs sw raid 1, etc.. what is the question..)`
`23:41.17`	`abrotman`	`whatever: maybe ask #gentoo .. they do lots of silly stuff like that :)`
`23:41.17`	`nanok_`	`whatever: couse ymmv depending what you plan to do`
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`23:41.20`	`ke6isf`	`bobesponja: Can you give us a bit more context as to what you're trying to do?`
`23:41.37`	`whatever`	`abrotman: lol, yeah, but arn't gentoo kinda crazy?`
`23:41.46`	`nanok_`	`whatever: and "hw" raid on cheap mobo's is usually really (junkish) sw raid`
`23:41.53`	`abrotman`	`whatever: go ask them .. i think it's crazy to use sw raid at all`
`23:42.05`	`Eulex`	`bobbens, could you pastebin the full output of whatever you're doing?`
`23:42.21`	`bobesponja`	`ke6isf: well not really cause this is happening on my ubuntu laptop next to me so I wouldn't like to abuse this channel :)`
`23:42.41`	`ke6isf`	`bobesponja: If it's on Ubuntu, then you need to ask in #ubuntu.`
`23:42.56`	`whatever`	`abrotman: trust me, I trust software raid over hw raid. but I'm trying to figure out of the overhead difference between the two is even worth it. if the cpu load is too great at higher load I might just DO hardware.`
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`23:43.04`	`bobesponja`	`ke6isf: yes I know but that was just a dpkg general question`
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`23:43.09`	`whatever`	`*if`
`23:43.13`	`abrotman`	`whatever: well .. that's you .. i don't trust it ..`
`23:43.13`	`nanok_`	`abrotman: i did, but it is a matter of les or equal versus equal. not so much of a difference`
`23:43.16`	`ke6isf`	`bobesponja: And you need to ask this question in #ubuntu.`
`23:43.17`	`nanok_`	`nevermind anyway`
`23:43.18`	`abrotman`	`whatever: and it's not my data :)`
`23:43.25`	`bobesponja`	`ke6isf: and nobody answered me on #ubuntu`
`23:43.40`	`Eulex`	`bobesponja, no, I don't think it keeps any log of what went wrong. now go to #ubuntu.`
`23:43.48`	`Eulex`	`!they don't know`
`23:43.48`	`dpkg`	`Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.`
`23:43.52`	`whatever`	`abrotman: lol, I've used simple sw raids for clients for some time now. ;) imho, much easier to work with`
`23:43.53`	`ke6isf`	`bobesponja: I hate to sound hostile, but you're getting the general answer here.`
`23:44.03`	`abrotman`	`whatever: no way .. hw raid rules!`
`23:44.13`	`Eulex`	`bobesponja, pastebin the full output of what you're doing and give them that.`
`23:44.16`	`abrotman`	`my life would be complete if LVM and grub got along better :)`
`23:44.26`	`whatever`	`abrotman: its limited! :P ;)`
`23:44.26`	`nanok_`	`whatever: usually, when you plan to use raid, you have some serious cpu under the hood (for doing serious stuff), so it shouldnt be a problem..`
`23:44.33`	`abrotman`	`whatever: limited?`
`23:44.34`	`blondie`	`abrotman: sad`
`23:44.37`	`nanok_`	`but this is a whole story in itself`
`23:44.46`	`whatever`	`bondie: hey blondie`
`23:44.46`	`nanok_`	`i guess you should just google a bit, first`
`23:44.51`	`abrotman`	`blondie: oh .. and going to london!`
`23:44.59`	`blondie`	`o.O`
`23:45.00`	`blondie`	`whatever: hi`
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`23:45.19`	`[sr]`	`hi ppl`
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`23:45.53`	`ElPenguin`	`does a debian network install by default include highly protective iptables rules?`
`23:45.57`	`blondie`	`london hmm`
`23:45.57`	`[sr]`	`does the 64bit hardware runs with the 32bit software without problems? it just dont take the advantage of 64 bit tight?`
`23:46.03`	`blondie`	`yes`
`23:46.08`	`bobesponja`	`ke6isf: oh yeah sure I'm not asking you for more your answer was good enough don't worry :)`
`23:46.13`	`whatever`	`abrotman: you're limited with what you can do with your hw raid based on what the chip will allow you to do. and the more you want to do, the more it costs you....and if it breaks..... all hell breaks lose. with sw raid, you don't have to worry about any hw controllers breaking, you can span multiple disk types, and different arrays.... just to name a few things off the top`
`23:46.21`	`[sr]`	`blondie, yes for me+?:P`
`23:46.24`	`blondie`	`yes`
`23:46.28`	`[sr]`	`eheh`
`23:46.28`	`abrotman`	`[sr]: iirc .. you can use a 64bit kernel with 32bit software on 64bit hardware :)`
`23:46.30`	`whatever`	`mu ha ha`
`23:46.37`	`Acidic32`	`how do i open multiple ports`
`23:46.38`	`ke6isf`	`bobesponja: Glad to help.`
`23:46.41`	`Acidic32`	`in iptables?`
`23:46.46`	`[sr]`	`cool`
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`23:46.50`	`abrotman`	`whatever: just some idiot with a vi program destroying your data :)`
`23:46.56`	`[sr]`	`that works for windows or linux or other OS right?`
`23:46.58`	`whatever`	`[sr]: are you talking about the 64 bit build of debian?`
`23:47.13`	`[sr]`	`well thats a doubt in general`
`23:47.14`	`abrotman`	`[sr]: this isn't #windows ... ask #debian-amd64 for more info`
`23:47.17`	`[sr]`	`linux or windows`
`23:47.17`	`whatever`	`abrotman: ....?`
`23:47.23`	`nanok_`	`whatever: not really, w sw raid, if the controller (on the cheap junkish mobo) brakes (the ods of that, uh?), you will be in quite a lot of trouble`
`23:47.33`	`[sr]`	`whatever the OS is`
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`23:47.43`	`abrotman`	`whatever: a bug in the swraid code`
`23:47.49`	`abrotman`	`FeetloveR: fix your damn client`
`23:48.15`	`[sr]`	`im confused about a p4 4.6 and a amd64`
`23:48.18`	`[sr]`	`:\|`
`23:48.24`	`[sr]`	`p4 3.6 sorry`
`23:48.28`	`VPR5703`	`Thats opinion sometimes`
`23:48.35`	`kspath`	`if you register your nick with NickServ consider registering nick_ and nick__ to prevent asses from using those most obvious methods`
`23:48.39`	`whatever`	`[sr]: the opteron/a64 chip was designed to process both 64 bit and 32 bit code, and it depeonds on the OS. personally I think windows x64 executes 32 bit code faster than debian x64 right now. but hell, I'll take stability over speed for now`
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`23:48.57`	`Acidic32`	`iptables -A OUTPUT -p 1500,4999 -s <IP2> -j ACCEPT`
`23:49.03`	`Acidic32`	`wiil that open that port range?`
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`23:49.15`	`Acidic32`	`iptables -A INPUT -p 1500,4999 -s <IP2> -j ACCEPT`
`23:49.22`	`abrotman`	`Acidic32: #iptables`
`23:49.24`	`nanok_`	`whatever: there are sides of the storry, i've used sw raid to, but i will not state that hw raid controllers are shit and have no use.. i think it's just a totally different storry`
`23:49.27`	`whatever`	`abrotman: true, but anything can happen. -=shrug=-`
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`23:49.36`	`abrotman`	`whatever: yep ...`
`23:49.39`	`blondie`	`abrotman: are you american?`
`23:49.53`	`abrotman`	`whatever: and i used to deal with a lot of older/slower systems .. where using sw raid actually had an impact`
`23:50.02`	`nanok_`	`whatever: also known as "Things just happen. What the hell."`
`23:50.03`	`nanok_`	`:)`
`23:50.06`	`abrotman`	`blondie: of course .. don't i use words like color and humor :)`
`23:50.11`	`[sr]`	`whatever, hum.. well im going to compare the price difference`
`23:50.12`	`Eno_`	`How can I control my alsa volume settings through X keybindings? I'm running fluxbox.`
`23:50.16`	`[sr]`	`about the p4 and amd64`
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`23:50.25`	`blondie`	`abrotman: well I say "color" too o.O`
`23:50.26`	`whatever`	`[sr]: as far as I know... I don't know much about intel stuff, but amd is the only thing thats true 64 bit that handles x86 code natively.`
`23:50.29`	`Eulex`	`Eno_, xbindkeys`
`23:50.30`	`abrotman`	`blondie: oh .. sorry`
`23:50.35`	`Eno_`	`Eulex: Thank you.`
`23:50.41`	`whatever`	`[sr]: amd is still worth it in the long run`
`23:50.45`	`blondie`	`abrotman: no need to apologise`
`23:50.46`	`kspath`	`I love scsi <-> ext hardware RAID in ext enclosure with its own admin interface(s) that includes serial/tty`
`23:50.49`	`Eulex`	`Eno_, or if it's multimedia keys you talk about, lineakd will work well`
`23:50.55`	`abrotman`	`blondie: why do you ask?`
`23:51.04`	`[sr]`	`whatever, well till now i only had amd CPUs`
`23:51.12`	`whatever`	`abrotman: yeah, on slower systems I can -totally- see cpu speed causing performance issues. but this would be on a dual opteron. :P`
`23:51.31`	`VPR5703`	`no issues there`
`23:51.32`	`nanok_`	`whatever: tyan. i should think?`
`23:51.46`	`whatever`	`nanok_: s2882, yes`
`23:51.47`	`[sr]`	`whatever, my problem is also about beeing developing software on a 64bit processor and the behabier on the 32bit`
`23:51.55`	`abrotman`	`whatever: i've also done work on systems where they use a combo of both :)`
`23:51.59`	`blondie`	`abrotman: cos I'm nosey`
`23:52.00`	`Eno_`	`Eulex: Just regular keys. I don't have multimedia keys.`
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`23:52.06`	`abrotman`	`blondie: i'm from near philly`
`23:52.12`	`Eulex`	`Eno_, then use xbindkeys.`
`23:52.14`	`abrotman`	`holy shit .. someone kill FeetloveR`
`23:52.15`	`whatever`	`[sr]: the code is the same. its the compiler that matters for that`
`23:52.27`	`[sr]`	`:)`
`23:52.30`	`ke6isf`	`abrotman: Why?`
`23:52.38`	`blondie`	`abrotman: where the cheese spread comes from? :)`
`23:52.45`	`[sr]`	`i think i just will stay with amd, always been sinse i use computers`
`23:52.49`	`[sr]`	`:P`
`23:53.01`	`abrotman`	`blondie: that's called cream cheese .. and yes .. Kraft makes a Philadelphia Cream Cheese`
`23:53.10`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: do a /lastlog`
`23:53.16`	`whatever`	`[sr]: try to get at least an A46 chip, don't settle for a sempron.`
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`23:53.24`	`whatever`	`[sr]: *A64`
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`23:53.32`	`resiak`	`whatever: ITYM AMD64`
`23:53.33`	`blondie`	`abrotman: I would say it was cheese spread...`
`23:53.35`	`ke6isf`	`abrotman: Holy jeez...`
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`23:53.41`	`abrotman`	`ke6isf: see :)`
`23:53.53`	`[sr]`	`whatever, ya, no semprons.... i hate that! outch`
`23:53.56`	`whatever`	`resiak: yep`
`23:53.58`	`abrotman`	`blondie: is that what you call the cheese for your bagel in .uk ?`
`23:54.10`	`resiak`	`abrotman: No! It's cream cheese!`
`23:54.20`	`bsims`	`ok this is pissing me off I was using dvd shrink under wine... well it died on me, no problem I kill it clean up and notice that my disk is full of something to the tune of multiple gigs but I can't see what it could be any ideas? It almost seems like it left a temp file floating around but I can't see anything with filelight...`
`23:54.28`	`abrotman`	`resiak: just wondering`
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`23:54.36`	`blondie`	`abrotman: yes`
`23:54.38`	`resiak`	`bsims: Got any wineserver s kicking around+`
`23:54.39`	`resiak`	`?`
`23:54.42`	`whatever`	`bsims: check your /tmp directory ?`
`23:54.54`	`kspath`	`bsims: check /var as well`
`23:54.55`	`[sr]`	`well.. going to decide between a MSI or gigabyte board`
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`23:55.07`	`abrotman`	`[sr]: ask #hardware`
`23:55.24`	`abrotman`	`blondie: i was thinking about making a visit over there in the spring/summer . we'll see`
`23:55.29`	`[sr]`	`lets see there opinion`
`23:55.33`	`[sr]`	`i like both`
`23:55.44`	`whatever`	`[sr]: I've never dealt with SMI, gigabyte has decent customer service, I hate asus with a passion, and a-bit owns my heart. <3`
`23:55.50`	`bsims`	`but the odd thing is the space that is used is on a seperate hd where I was telling it to put the iso`
`23:56.00`	`whatever`	`gosh! my typing is going to hell!`
`23:56.03`	`whatever`	`aaahh!`
`23:56.08`	`whatever`	`*MSI`
`23:56.43`	`[sr]`	`heeh`
`23:56.47`	`whatever`	`bsims: yeah, thats why its a temporary file. its not the final product, so it gets put in a temp area`
`23:56.52`	`[sr]`	`ya... asus its not my favotite also`
`23:57.01`	`[sr]`	`even having a debian server with one`
`23:57.04`	`kspath`	`I love ASUS but I do not overclock`
`23:57.10`	`[sr]`	`but the board wasnt my choice`
`23:57.10`	`kspath`	`I love TYAN also`
`23:57.18`	`ke6isf`	`Woo, rain!`
`23:57.25`	`whatever`	`kspath: they make a great product, but they will secretly hide information from the customer, and forget support from them.....`
`23:57.32`	`whatever`	`ah tyan. <3`
`23:57.55`	`whatever`	`I was looking at getting the s2895`
`23:58.06`	`nanok_`	`kspath: i used to also. now i am in to minds about it: can i love asus and dispise theyr engineers at the same time?..`
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`23:58.23`	`kspath`	`nanok_: lol good point`
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`23:58.47`	`kspath`	`nanok_: I wait for a long time before picking a TYAN or ASUS`
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`23:59.05`	`Graveling`	`anyone here familiar with getting cinelerra to compile? I'm having issues with the firewire stuff`
`23:59.08`	`kspath`	`I let others try and wait for good/stable firmware and I do not overclock`
`23:59.19`	`[sr]`	`come on people`
`23:59.19`	`bsims`	`whatever: no such joy`
`23:59.27`	`nanok_`	`my last experience was with a mobo that came with a 3cm dimaeter (i think) fan on the southbridge, revolving at about 9k rpm..guess what happens to those..`
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`23:59.31`	`[sr]`	`lets not start a motherboard war because of me :P`
`23:59.47`	`whatever`	`kspath: you can never go wrong with Tyan. The s2882 that I picked up 3 years ago is still being supported by them. I mean, I don't know of anyone who really sticks by a product past a year or two at most`
`23:59.48`	`nanok_`	`indeed, i was offtopic again`

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