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| 00:00.19 | Howitzer | but the first cd of the 18 will give me everything the net-install does? |
| 00:00.32 | l3m | josh2224: hmm dunno :/ .. alternativly try licq |
| 00:00.36 | OnePatch | MrSarge : that's good... so, we're just missing the old data now... sweet |
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| 00:01.23 | chump | Help, need to install libqt3-dev but get the errors Depends: libfreetype6-dev but it is not going to be installed and Depends: libxft-dev but it is not going to be installed |
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| 00:01.24 | nvzn | hello, i am having this error in Xine, when i right click *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08126c89 *** |
| 00:01.28 | MrSarge | OnePatch: yeah! |
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| 00:01.35 | nvzn | it crashes out as a result |
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| 00:02.20 | Silent1 | i just upgraded the kernel thru apt-get and when i boot the new kernel i get "VFS: cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0). hda1 is the linux partition, i've tried adding append="root=/dev/hda1" and it still gives me that error. Using lilo, thanks in advance. |
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| 00:02.47 | cheal | chump: which libfreetype6-dev do you have? |
| 00:02.50 | mrpickles444 | Hello room. What audio player do you guys prefer ? |
| 00:02.56 | MrSarge | OnePatch: ok phpmyadmin is now installed. |
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| 00:03.09 | stew | Silent1: you need to tell lilo about the initrd |
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| 00:04.01 | chump | Cheal: my I have libfreetype6 2.1.10-1 but only have access to -dev 2.1.7-2.4 |
| 00:04.14 | MrSarge | OnePatch: as phpmyadmin is installing its asking me if I want apache apache-ssl and apache-pearl. what shall I chose? all of them? |
| 00:04.15 | Silent1 | stew: thanks i'll try that |
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| 00:04.48 | chump | Cheal: I ran update but it seems the libfreetype6 and its dev don't match, so it won't let me install the dev |
| 00:05.35 | nvz | MrSarge: that really all depends on what kind of audio you are playing. mpg321, madplay, music123, ogg123, sox... |
| 00:05.43 | chump | cheal: soory I had your name wrong above |
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| 00:05.51 | MrSarge | nvz: ok |
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| 00:06.15 | humbolt | how can I create a deb from a source package most easily? |
| 00:06.15 | MrSarge | nvz: I didnt knpw it had anything to do with audio :P |
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| 00:06.29 | MrSarge | OnePatch: you still around? :) |
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| 00:06.46 | cheal | chump: which release do you run? |
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| 00:06.51 | norskfjord | anyone know what that irc channel stats app is called that uploads info about your channel like peek times, qoutes and most said words ect ect? |
| 00:06.58 | chump | cheal: sarge testing |
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| 00:07.12 | cheal | chump: sarge testing? a mix of both? |
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| 00:07.41 | chump | cheal: it might be a mix, Im new to debian |
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| 00:08.02 | cheal | norskfjord: pisg, apparently |
| 00:08.18 | norskfjord | yes |
| 00:08.19 | peterS | freenode should auto-kline people with too many vowels in a row |
| 00:08.34 | peterS | might throw a few false positives, but, y'know |
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| 00:09.06 | cheal | chump: if you're really new, stick with sarge. if you can't, you really need to know what you run, particularly with a mix |
| 00:09.13 | Silent1 | stew: that worked perfectly, thanks a billon. |
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| 00:09.26 | nvz | peterS: new service bot, QuizServ if you cant correctly answer a common knowledge question you are disconnected :P |
| 00:09.33 | peterS | nvz: heh |
| 00:09.34 | chump | cheal: right |
| 00:09.38 | OnePatch | MrSarge : um... |
| 00:09.45 | MrSarge | petemc: I have images in my /images folder, but firefox claims it cant find them when I load my website locally! any ideas? |
| 00:09.50 | MrSarge | OnePatch: you back? |
| 00:09.52 | OnePatch | MrSarge : actually I have to admit to bad advice yet again... having gone through it... |
| 00:09.54 | MrSarge | OnePatch: as phpmyadmin is installing its asking me if I want apache apache-ssl and apache-pearl. what shall I chose? all of them? |
| 00:09.55 | peterS | nvz: unfortunately that would be inconvenient for netsplits and client disconnects where a client reconnects automatically while the user is actually away from keyboard for an extended time |
| 00:10.10 | MrSarge | OnePatch: thats ok, we tried our best |
| 00:10.21 | OnePatch | MrSarge : well... |
| 00:10.23 | MrSarge | OnePatch: what now? |
| 00:10.25 | OnePatch | it's not dead yet |
| 00:10.34 | peterS | MrSarge: dude, you don't know whether you need SSL or not? |
| 00:10.38 | MrSarge | OnePatch: and I have images in my /images folder, but firefox claims it cant find them when I load my website locally! any ideas? |
| 00:10.41 | OnePatch | MrSarge : don't install phpmyadmin, 2 reasons, first I don't like it, 2nd, we don't need it |
| 00:11.01 | MrSarge | OnePatch: ok, but its installed already now :P |
| 00:11.10 | peterS | MrSarge: locally as in file:///? that won't map the images folder correctly, indeed |
| 00:11.17 | OnePatch | MrSarge : well, we'll have to take a look at the broken links and see if they are making absolute calls to the images... as in, are they pointing back to the old hosting company also... |
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| 00:11.36 | OnePatch | peterS: you may have a point there |
| 00:11.38 | nvz | peterS: so lets say as long as you've answered the question you're recognized by QuizServ for a reasonable grace period after disconnect :) |
| 00:11.49 | MrSarge | OnePatch: no, it says.. for example,, http://localhost/images/f1.gif |
| 00:12.05 | nvz | peterS: netsplits don't often last long |
| 00:12.06 | peterS | nvz: well, actually it wouldn't affect me anyway, because presumably "is able to log into nickserv" is a pretty good question to answer |
| 00:12.07 | OnePatch | MrSarge : and does that return a gif a forbidden or a file not found? |
| 00:12.10 | MrSarge | and there is indeed a /images/f1.gif file! yet it claims it doesnt exist |
| 00:12.22 | OnePatch | MrSarge : so, it returns a 404... |
| 00:12.30 | MrSarge | OnePatch: just blank page, only all the text |
| 00:12.39 | peterS | MrSarge: /images is an absolute location. firefox with file:/// has no way of knowing where the "root" of your website is |
| 00:12.46 | MrSarge | OnePatch: but if I chose save image, it says not found |
| 00:13.00 | MrSarge | peterS: well it finds everything else |
| 00:13.05 | nvz | peterS: my client does that automatically. I am sure these spambots could to it just as easily. |
| 00:13.07 | OnePatch | MrSarge : and when you surf out to it, as you suggested that you did? |
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| 00:13.16 | MrSarge | peterS: http://localhost/ loads all the php text etc |
| 00:13.17 | peterS | nvz: yeah but by and large they don't register with nickserv |
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| 00:13.33 | MrSarge | OnePatch: how do we now add the database? |
| 00:13.43 | peterS | MrSarge: yes, when you use http, you are going through a web server, and the web server knows where the root of your site is. when you use file:///, you are not going through a web server |
| 00:13.50 | OnePatch | MrSarge : well... I'm going to go back to mysql-admin |
| 00:14.00 | OnePatch | MrSarge : type that in on the command line and tell me what happens... |
| 00:14.06 | MrSarge | peterS: if I chose save image where there is a blank, it sa\ys. Not Found |
| 00:14.06 | MrSarge | The requested URL /images/f1.gif was not found on this server. |
| 00:14.19 | MrSarge | OnePatch: type mysql-admin? |
| 00:14.24 | OnePatch | MrSarge : aye. |
| 00:14.26 | FliesLikeABrick | some users on a box can ssh in and others cant... what is causing some not to be able to? i looked in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and only 2 users are in the DenyUsers directive |
| 00:14.34 | peterS | MrSarge: time to look in /var/log/apache/error.log and see what it is doing wrong |
| 00:14.46 | MrSarge | OnePatch: ok loaded |
| 00:14.55 | peterS | MrSarge: wait ... I'm guessing it's the bogosity whereby /etc/apache/httpd.conf maps /images to /usr/share/images or something like that, by default |
| 00:15.14 | MrSarge | peterS: so what can I do? |
| 00:15.23 | nvz | peterS: if they were quized on Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy knowledge we wouldn't see them at all. We all know trolls version of that movie is Gay Niggers From Outer Space. |
| 00:15.23 | peterS | MrSarge: fix httpd.conf not to do that |
| 00:15.30 | MrSarge | OnePatch: mysq-admin is now loaded |
| 00:15.32 | peterS | MrSarge: or use a directory name other than /images for your images |
| 00:15.36 | OnePatch | FliesLikeABrick : now that's hardly enough information. do you have it restricted by ip address? where is everyone coming from/going to? what error are they getting when they attempt to connect? what authorization type does everyone use, what shells do those that connect have vs those that don't |
| 00:15.45 | OnePatch | FliesLikeABrick : all of these things could affect the outcome |
| 00:16.01 | OnePatch | MrSarge : pretty screen and everything? |
| 00:16.01 | MrSarge | peterS: ok |
| 00:16.01 | FliesLikeABrick | OnePatch, i'm trying to connect from the same place/ip with multiple accounts but can only get in as root and one other |
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| 00:16.09 | FliesLikeABrick | OnePatch, everything else is held constant |
| 00:16.33 | peterS | MrSarge: the default is useful for httpd auto-indexing, so it can stick icons next to files / dirs, but it's not very useful if you don't use that, so you might as well remove it |
| 00:16.48 | OnePatch | FliesLikeABrick : do root and this other account have a different shell than everyone else? or is root using the same shell as everyone on the system? |
| 00:16.57 | MrSarge | OnePatch: yes :) |
| 00:16.58 | FliesLikeABrick | same shell OnePatch |
| 00:17.15 | MrSarge | peterS: so how do i tell it to use /var/www ? |
| 00:17.29 | MrSarge | peterS: I meant, so how do i tell it to use /var/www/images ? |
| 00:17.30 | peterS | MrSarge: it already uses /var/www. you just have to remove the special case for /images to go somewhere else |
| 00:17.32 | carrett | hi all. i just installed a self-made kernel and i'm getting a kernel panic: "Cannot open root device "hda5" on unknown-block(0,0)" and there are more errors...i have the proper filesystem driver for /dev/hda5 compiled in, and the boot options are the same as those for a kernel that boots up fine..anyone have a clue as to why this might be happening? |
| 00:17.36 | OnePatch | FliesLikeABrick : if you do a ssh -D -p 8022 and then attempt to connect on 8022 from the other place, does that illucidate anything? |
| 00:17.48 | MrSarge | peterS: special case? What you mean? |
| 00:17.56 | OnePatch | MrSarge : excellent, for the host type in localhost, then use root with no password and click connect |
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| 00:17.58 | peterS | MrSarge: look in httpd.conf and you will see what I mean |
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| 00:18.27 | FliesLikeABrick | OnePatch i fixed it.... for some reason having DenyUsers X Y cause users A...E not to be able to connect |
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| 00:18.52 | MrSarge | peterS: httpd.conf says. Alias /images/ /usr/share/images/ <Directory /usr/share/images> |
| 00:19.05 | MrSarge | OnePatch: ok |
| 00:19.41 | MrSarge | OnePatch: as Server hostname i wrote localhost |
| 00:19.46 | MrSarge | OnePatch: where do I type root? |
| 00:20.06 | peterS | MrSarge: I leave it to your imagination how to remove the alias |
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| 00:20.53 | MrSarge | peterS: so Ias change it to /images/ <Directory /usr/share/images> ? |
| 00:20.58 | MrSarge | OnePatch: ok loaded |
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| 00:21.24 | peterS | MrSarge: the whole <Directory /usr/share/images> ... </Directory> can go away |
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| 00:21.28 | peterS | MrSarge: and so can the Alias |
| 00:21.40 | MrSarge | peterS: ok ty |
| 00:21.46 | beaufils | anyone with SMART on SCSI expertise ? |
| 00:21.53 | rafx | fyi found lighttpd 1.4.6 debian package - http://debian.bougyman.com/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/lighttpd_1.4.6-2_i386.deb |
| 00:21.53 | happyb | anyone know where my usb mouse might show up? |
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| 00:22.04 | MrSarge | OnePatch: its loaded |
| 00:22.09 | peterS | happyb: /dev/input/mice after you have loaded 3 kernel modules related to it |
| 00:22.25 | beaufils | happyb, /dev/input/mice ? |
| 00:22.30 | peterS | happyb: those modules are "usbhid", "mousedev" and the module for your USB motherboard chip |
| 00:22.40 | MrSarge | peterS: i removed it, and still doesnt show images in webpage |
| 00:22.40 | happyb | thats where it was...not there now...ill check those mod's...thanks |
| 00:23.15 | OnePatch | MrSarge : now all you have to do is click on the restore button and then the open backup file button browse to your file and recover it |
| 00:23.20 | norskfjord | pisg is being a bitch |
| 00:23.25 | norskfjord | with the logfile |
| 00:23.36 | OnePatch | MrSarge : you may have to massage the data a little bit, but that's hit and miss anyways... |
| 00:23.37 | peterS | MrSarge: reloaded the web server config? "/etc/init.d/apache force-reload" |
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| 00:24.25 | norskfjord | hey what service is MTA? |
| 00:24.31 | peterS | norskfjord: mail transfer agent |
| 00:24.36 | OnePatch | norskfjord : mail transfer agent |
| 00:24.38 | peterS | norskfjord: exim4 is the debian default |
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| 00:24.40 | norskfjord | my system always takes ages to start it |
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| 00:24.44 | OnePatch | norskfjord : defaulted to exim on debian |
| 00:24.46 | norskfjord | can I turn it off? |
| 00:24.52 | OnePatch | norskfjord : but I always make mine sendmail |
| 00:24.59 | OnePatch | norskfjord : so it depends on what you have... |
| 00:25.03 | OnePatch | norskfjord : I wouldn't... |
| 00:25.18 | MrSarge | peterS: when I copied all images into /usr/share, the website works! |
| 00:25.19 | peterS | norskfjord: if you don't need an email server, you should do 'aptitude install nullmailer exim4-' |
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| 00:25.21 | norskfjord | I just use mozilla thunderbird with my isp email |
| 00:25.29 | MrSarge | OnePatch: which button? |
| 00:25.31 | OnePatch | norskfjord : i'd just config it not to listen on outside ips... you need to have local mail delivery... ALOT of stuff will freak out if you don't... |
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| 00:25.40 | peterS | MrSarge: yes, you need to force apache to reload its configuration before anything will take effect |
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| 00:25.42 | nemo | omry: Just to let you know, everything you had me do worked perfectly. So once again thanks for your help. Now I can cry a sigh of satisfaction |
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| 00:25.57 | MrSarge | OnePatch: when I click in Rstore backup, its empty and ghosted |
| 00:26.07 | OnePatch | MrSarge : on the left you should have restore... and then once there, there should be like a button on the bottom right |
| 00:26.12 | OnePatch | MrSarge : that isn't ghosted |
| 00:26.55 | norskfjord | it takes like 4 minutes on MTA |
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| 00:27.19 | MrSarge | peterS: reload said Syntax error on line 573 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: |
| 00:27.23 | norskfjord | Im installing Net BSD on my toaster |
| 00:27.26 | norskfjord | brb |
| 00:27.39 | MrSarge | OnePatch: yes but the button is ghosted |
| 00:27.39 | OnePatch | MrSarge : vi /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 00:27.43 | peterS | MrSarge: probably when you were deleting lines you deleted too many or not enough |
| 00:27.51 | OnePatch | MrSarge : what he said |
| 00:27.54 | MrSarge | OnePatch: wont allow me to do anything therre, all ghosted |
| 00:28.00 | OnePatch | MrSarge : hrm... |
| 00:28.04 | peterS | MrSarge: I told you the whole <Directory>......</Directory> could disappear. maybe you forgot to remove </Directory> |
| 00:28.05 | MrSarge | peterS: ok ill play with it |
| 00:28.09 | OnePatch | MrSarge : let me look at my debian version. |
| 00:28.14 | MrSarge | OnePatch: is that weird being ghosted? |
| 00:28.17 | MrSarge | OnePatch: ok |
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| 00:28.45 | norskfjord | Linux guardian.homelinux.net 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:29.17 | OnePatch | MrSarge : bottom left hand corner, 'change path' |
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| 00:29.59 | MrSarge | OnePatch: yes |
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| 00:30.55 | OnePatch | MrSarge : browse to where database dump.txt lives |
| 00:31.06 | gpm | hi all. i just installed a self-made kernel and i'm getting a kernel panic: "Cannot open root device "hda5" on unknown-block(0,0)" and there are more errors...i have the proper filesystem driver for /dev/hda5 compiled in, and the boot options are the same as those for a kernel that boots up fine..anyone have a clue as to why this might be happening? |
| 00:31.08 | OnePatch | MrSarge : you'll have to change the name of that file to end in .sql |
| 00:31.14 | MrSarge | OnePatch: when I find the database text file, its ghosted and wont allow me to chose it |
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| 00:31.25 | MrSarge | OnePatch: ah ok ill rename it |
| 00:31.25 | OnePatch | MrSarge : something like... 'mv Database\ Dump.txt Database\ Dump.txt.sql' |
| 00:31.26 | peterS | gpm: I'm guessing you skipped the IDE driver |
| 00:31.33 | peterS | gpm: that's the usual reason for these things |
| 00:31.44 | gpm | peterS: do i need cramfs? that's what google's telling me... |
| 00:32.00 | peterS | gpm: ah, you might, but only if you require and build an initrd, which you probably don't |
| 00:32.11 | peterS | gpm: just compile in the driver for your IDE chipset |
| 00:32.16 | Snuckers | any one know a place to get dock apps for xfce? |
| 00:32.16 | gpm | peterS: nope. ok. i'll double check my ide stuff |
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| 00:32.20 | peterS | gpm: what chipset is that, btw? "lspci | grep IDE" will tell |
| 00:32.26 | MrSarge | OnePatch: i renamed it to databse.sql but its also ghosted |
| 00:32.26 | cddesjar | do you guys think more people use ubuntu or debian? |
| 00:32.33 | peterS | cddesjar: yes |
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| 00:32.37 | OnePatch | MrSarge : it won't let you select it from there |
| 00:32.38 | Snuckers | I use ubuntu |
| 00:32.41 | OnePatch | MrSarge : just hit ok |
| 00:32.45 | cddesjar | that's a terrific answer peterS! |
| 00:32.51 | peterS | cddesjar: it was a terrific question, too |
| 00:32.57 | cddesjar | thanks |
| 00:33.00 | MrSarge | OnePatch: got it |
| 00:33.02 | OnePatch | MrSarge : it should show up above that 'change path' button as just the first part of the file name after you're in the dir |
| 00:33.04 | cddesjar | i am just curios...obviously it's subjective |
| 00:33.05 | MrSarge | i selected it |
| 00:33.09 | OnePatch | MrSarge ; sweet |
| 00:33.19 | MrSarge | OnePatch: its selected :) but now asking me some other questions |
| 00:33.20 | peterS | cddesjar: not really subjective, just impossible to know. there *is* a correct answer, we just have no way of knowing it |
| 00:33.22 | OnePatch | MrSarge : you may have to tell it to ignore errors or message that data... |
| 00:33.28 | OnePatch | MrSarge : anywho... I gotta scoot |
| 00:33.34 | OnePatch | MrSarge : good night... and good luck |
| 00:33.36 | MrSarge | OnePatch: shall I seleclt auto detect? |
| 00:33.41 | Coweater | cddesjar: they attract different audiences, how many use them doesn't matter |
| 00:33.41 | gpm | peterS: ich4? intel... |
| 00:33.44 | OnePatch | MrSarge : no, just hit ok |
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| 00:33.58 | peterS | gpm: yeah, the intel driver - it'll be listed as "PIIX" |
| 00:34.00 | MrSarge | OnePatch: said error reading file |
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| 00:34.13 | OnePatch | MrSarge : is it possible that it is corrupt and you need a new file? |
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| 00:34.23 | MrSarge | OnePatch: :( |
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| 00:34.25 | gpm | peterS: yeah, i had that as a module...but no initrd. d'oh. |
| 00:34.28 | OnePatch | MrSarge : did you click on auto-detect? cause it complained when I did that |
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| 00:34.36 | MrSarge | OnePatch: how can a text file be corrupted? |
| 00:34.38 | peterS | gpm: right, compile it in and there'll be no need for initrd or cramfs support |
| 00:34.44 | gpm | peterS: cool. |
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| 00:35.15 | OnePatch | MrSarge : excellent question... the other diff... was I took the space out of the file name... |
| 00:35.28 | OnePatch | MrSarge : I was selected on utf8, and didn't do an auto-detect |
| 00:35.32 | MrSarge | OnePatch: what space? |
| 00:35.34 | OnePatch | MrSarge : you may have to do an auto detect |
| 00:35.45 | MrSarge | OnePatch: i tried auto detect too |
| 00:35.45 | j4cbo | i'm trying to set up my old laptop as an a router, the connections are working but no packet forwarding is happening |
| 00:35.45 | OnePatch | MrSarge : the space in the file name "Database Dump.txt" |
| 00:35.51 | j4cbo | i set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, but still no luck |
| 00:36.05 | OnePatch | MrSarge : try renaming it to just 'db.sql' |
| 00:36.11 | MrSarge | OnePatch: yes i renamed it database.sql |
| 00:36.24 | OnePatch | MrSarge : well... I'm out of brillian idea here... |
| 00:36.31 | OnePatch | MrSarge : did you edit it at all? |
| 00:36.36 | OnePatch | MrSarge : do you have another copy? |
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| 00:37.10 | MrSarge | OnePatch: saud could not detect encoding of file |
| 00:37.39 | OnePatch | MrSarge : I'm out of ideas and out of time... if you wanna hit me up later... email is eizeln@gmail.com |
| 00:37.44 | OnePatch | peace for now... |
| 00:37.48 | OnePatch | *waves to all* |
| 00:37.49 | kl0ck | hey, i have a Ensoniq ES1371, and I have the module loaded, but it refuses to work. Any Ideas? |
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| 00:37.56 | OnePatch | kl0ck? |
| 00:38.01 | OnePatch | nm |
| 00:38.02 | peterS | kl0ck: which module? (there are two possibilities) |
| 00:38.07 | OnePatch | l8rs all |
| 00:38.09 | kl0ck | let me lsmod it |
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| 00:38.26 | peterS | kl0ck: and by "refuses to work", what is it doing? I guess sound does not play, but do applications throw an error when they try? |
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| 00:38.30 | kl0ck | snd_ens1371 |
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| 00:38.49 | kl0ck | peterS: no, it produces no sound, sorry for not making that very distinct |
| 00:38.50 | gpm | whoa, the naim developer was in the army!? and that's why there hasn't been a release for so long (until relatively recently)...gotta respek that. |
| 00:39.03 | j4cbo | kl0ck: stupid question, is the volume up? |
| 00:39.07 | peterS | kl0ck: so do applications give an error when you try to play, or not? |
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| 00:39.13 | j4cbo | last i knew, alsa set it to 0 by default |
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| 00:39.18 | peterS | right, I think it still does |
| 00:39.25 | nvz | there are no stupid questions, just stupid people |
| 00:39.32 | kl0ck | peterS: no there is no error when I run applications |
| 00:39.39 | kl0ck | and the volume is up |
| 00:39.39 | ben_der | could get the dhcp configuration... i'm just too newbie for debian still... |
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| 00:39.53 | peterS | kl0ck: make sure the volume is also not *muted*. which is almost but not quite the same thing |
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| 00:39.58 | nvz | !newb |
| 00:39.58 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 00:40.11 | kl0ck | yeah, its not muted |
| 00:40.15 | peterS | kl0ck: 'alsamixer' will show the channel in state "[M]" if it is muted, I think. check both the master volume and the PCM volume |
| 00:40.28 | kl0ck | yeah, there is no double MM |
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| 00:40.34 | peterS | kl0ck: also, does 'alsamixer' show you the ens1371 by name? it should |
| 00:41.03 | kl0ck | PeterS: yeah it does |
| 00:41.19 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 00:41.19 | dpkg | Sorry, twistedemotions, I didn't get your test. |
| 00:41.24 | ben_der | edit /etc/network/interfaces ... a message comes up access denied |
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| 00:41.37 | peterS | kl0ck: then it really should work. there are not that many things that can go wrong. I'd check hardware - make sure the speakers are plugged into the right hole, etc. |
| 00:41.56 | kl0ck | hmm, let me take a look right quicklike |
| 00:41.56 | ben_der | is there a way to make the dhcp connection "graphically" ? |
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| 00:42.29 | secher | I don't know if anyone here's in the position to do something like this, but is it possible to get the splitfire script moved up to stable? |
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| 00:42.42 | secher | it's currently in oldstable |
| 00:42.46 | kl0ck | peterS: yeah they are |
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| 00:43.03 | kl0ck | its sort of frustrating |
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| 00:43.26 | nvz | ben_der: yeah right click the network icon in "Network Connections" and goto "repair" (note you will need windows) |
| 00:43.26 | compguy949 | using debian with 16gb ram, debian only sees 9gb of it, using grub to boot, how to i fix this? |
| 00:43.34 | peterS | kl0ck: *nod*. ok, check the output of the 'dmesg' command, see if loading the ens_1371 module caused any warnings to be emitted to the kernel log |
| 00:43.35 | gpm | peterS: thanks for the help. |
| 00:43.41 | kl0ck | k |
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| 00:43.49 | we2by | hi |
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| 00:43.59 | we2by | where is the xorg config file located on Debian? |
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| 00:44.01 | Guerin | compguy949: rebuild your kernel with the correct HIGHMEM option |
| 00:44.13 | we2by | I am having weird problems with xorg |
| 00:44.14 | Guerin | compguy949: stock debian kernels should only see 4G |
| 00:44.29 | Guerin | compguy949: and it has exactly nothing to do with grub |
| 00:44.35 | we2by | I set it to load fglrx driver for the radeon card and it still loads the radeon driver |
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| 00:44.47 | Thanatermesis | how to install a package from experimetnal ? |
| 00:45.17 | compguy949 | is there an easy way to rebuild the kernel with highmem using apt-get? |
| 00:45.17 | Guerin | !iyhtays Thanatermesis |
| 00:45.20 | dpkg | Thanatermesis: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 00:45.48 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
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| 00:46.16 | Guerin | compguy949: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package libncurses5-dev bzip2 kernel-source-you-want |
| 00:46.21 | manthis | my cdrom gets recognized as scd0 I can mount any data CDs just fine but I do not get sound out of Audio CDs (mp3 playback is fine) how can I troubleshoot? |
| 00:46.23 | kl0ck | peterS: im going to try to do something. ill tell you if it works after i reboot |
| 00:46.25 | kl0ck | later |
| 00:46.26 | kl0ck | and thanks |
| 00:46.32 | peterS | !bless kl0ck |
| 00:46.33 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child kl0ck, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 00:46.35 | nvz | Guerin: you left out fakeroot :P |
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| 00:46.41 | kreknola | Hola. What program should I use to diskimage my hard drive? (I need to format the harddrive) . I'm using sarge. |
| 00:46.46 | Guerin | nvz: oh, yeah |
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| 00:46.50 | compguy949 | how do i know the name of the kernel you want? |
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| 00:46.55 | Guerin | compguy949: untar the kernel source, run make menuconfig, change the options you want; and do the KP mantra |
| 00:47.05 | Guerin | !tell compguy949 about search |
| 00:47.13 | Guerin | !tell compguy949 about kp mantra |
| 00:47.30 | nvz | I do --rootcmd=fakeroot --config=menuconfig |
| 00:47.50 | kreknola | you know, clone an harddrive |
| 00:47.52 | secher | Thanatermesis: it'll be the long way arouind assuming there are dependencies, but uou can ftp the package, and then do a dpkg -i on it. I know there's a apt command to check the dependencies of a package, and you can read up on the apt-get and apt-cache commands to figure it out, and then make sure you have the packages installed, then go to town. |
| 00:47.54 | Fixion | I just installed a net install of debian. I can ping google, but apt-get refuses to get anything form any source. It just gives me 404 errors. I've checked and rechecked my sources, and they seem correct. what could be wrong? |
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| 00:48.05 | Guerin | kreknola: dd works |
| 00:48.20 | Guerin | kreknola: do you really need to clone it, or just save the files? |
| 00:48.31 | bendmaister | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 00:48.33 | peterS | kreknola: you can use 'dd' or 'cp', but I'd just create a reasonable partition table on the second drive, create filesystems on the partitions, mount them, and use 'cp -ax' to copy individual directory trees over |
| 00:48.47 | secher | can you dd a dvd? |
| 00:48.51 | peterS | kreknola: if you have two hard drives of exactly the same size, 'cp /dev/hda /dev/hdc' or whatever actually does work, though |
| 00:48.57 | kreknola | Guerin, peterS : I need to format the harddrive.. so i want to burn all the system & files to DVD's |
| 00:48.58 | bendmaister | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 00:48.59 | peterS | secher: depends on what the DVD contains |
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| 00:49.02 | Guerin | Fixion: ping google.com, and note the ip address |
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| 00:49.25 | sylvisj | Will the i386 version of Debian run on an AMD64 cpu? |
| 00:49.34 | j4cbo | sylvisj: yes |
| 00:49.35 | kds | kreknola: I usually dd dvd iso images to DVDs when I want to write them. |
| 00:49.36 | Fixion | Guerin: ah.. thanks, its being blocked |
| 00:49.37 | peterS | secher: in general, you could. you'll get an iso9660 or udf filesystem. you will not get the encryption keys in the case of a CSS-encrypted video DVD |
| 00:49.38 | Guerin | Fixion: now ping debian.org, and note the ip address |
| 00:49.56 | sylvisj | Alright, gonna download it. I'm getting sick of errors on AMD64. |
| 00:50.00 | Guerin | Fixion: yeah. Your isp is evil. Change your nameservers to something real. |
| 00:50.05 | Eyaw_Nayr | Hey, I just put in a soundblaster sound card and it does play back noise from my mic, and is detected by KMix, but I can't get sound to come from any sources like xmms. What can I do? |
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| 00:50.21 | Guerin | Eyaw_Nayr: tell xmms to use the arts output |
| 00:50.21 | manthis | any possible reason why I can't be getting sound out of a scsi cdrom? |
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| 00:50.35 | Guerin | Eyaw_Nayr: or stop arts from monopolising your sound system |
| 00:50.38 | j4cbo | manthis: did you connect the cable? :) |
| 00:50.39 | Fixion | Guerin: all traffic from my nic was being blocked since its not registered... I hate the system |
| 00:50.41 | secher | manthis: is your sound cable hooked up? |
| 00:50.42 | kreknola | so how can i make an image file of all the drive? |
| 00:50.46 | brian__ | can somebody help me? im creating a bash script...how do I take a file that has two colums and swap them? |
| 00:50.51 | Fixion | Guerin: thats why pings where the only thing returning |
| 00:50.51 | Guerin | Fixion: registered? |
| 00:50.52 | Eyaw_Nayr | Guerin: I was just using xmms as an example, it doesn't even work if I go into kcontrol and do the "test sound" button |
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| 00:51.00 | peterS | kreknola: cp /dev/drivename /tmp/image_file |
| 00:51.01 | secher | !xine |
| 00:51.02 | dpkg | i heard xine is a video/media player at http://xinehq.de or #xine. Several user interfaces are available : xine-ui for "generic" X11, gxine for GTK, kaffeine for KDE, totem-xine for Gnome. |
| 00:51.06 | Fixion | Guerin: retarded school network, we have to register mac addresses |
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| 00:51.07 | peterS | kreknola: assuming /tmp is large enough to contain the image in question |
| 00:51.16 | kl0ck | peterS; works like a charm |
| 00:51.18 | Guerin | Eyaw_Nayr: is the volume turned up in the mixer? |
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| 00:51.19 | Coweater | if i have an old system with woody is it safe to jump to etch or should i go to sarge first? |
| 00:51.23 | peterS | kl0ck: ok so what did you do? |
| 00:51.25 | Eyaw_Nayr | Guerin: yes |
| 00:51.29 | manthis | cable is connected if I but under ubuntu I would get audio cds to play |
| 00:51.29 | peterS | Coweater: go to sarge first |
| 00:51.37 | Coweater | thanks |
| 00:51.39 | kl0ck | peterS: well it turned out to be an irq misconfig |
| 00:51.39 | Guerin | Coweater: either could work. sarge will be safer |
| 00:51.52 | peterS | Coweater: you could get lucky, but debian only officially supports upgrades to the next release |
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| 00:52.20 | Thanatermesis | oks |
| 00:52.22 | j4cbo | anyone have suggestions for troubleshooting packet forwarding / routing? |
| 00:52.23 | kreknola | peterS: and how to restore it? |
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| 00:52.48 | j4cbo | two interfaces on the one system, ip_forward turned on, can access the router box from each one |
| 00:52.52 | j4cbo | but it doesn't route |
| 00:52.52 | peterS | kreknola: same. cp can take a whole drive device as either source or destination |
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| 00:53.10 | peterS | kl0ck: aha. so you diddled with the bios settings a bit and now you're good? |
| 00:53.17 | netcrash | Hello, how can I install Sarge into a sata disk using the CD ? does it have support from CD ? |
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| 00:53.21 | kl0ck | peterS: yeah |
| 00:53.23 | manthis | j4cbo do u have a routing table? |
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| 00:53.35 | j4cbo | manthis: yep, hold on |
| 00:53.39 | kreknola | peterS: arrg.. it's not a good way... since i'll have after parations problems... |
| 00:53.40 | kl0ck | peterS; looks like the first thing i should have checked was the problem |
| 00:53.41 | peterS | netcrash: yes. might work better if you boot with the 2.6 kernel rather than the 2.4 kernel. hit <F3> at the Boot: prompt to learn how. |
| 00:53.42 | brian__ | can somebody help me? im creating a bash script...how do I take a file that has two colums and swap them? |
| 00:53.53 | netcrash | peterS: thank you |
| 00:53.59 | peterS | kl0ck: heh. we always feel that way though |
| 00:54.00 | secher | HeeHeeHee... in about a week I'll be getting my 10Mbps down, 3Mbps up and static IP addy. WOOT. |
| 00:54.08 | peterS | secher: w00t |
| 00:54.12 | secher | sorry, OT. |
| 00:54.19 | peterS | secher: never mind the speed, the static IP is the nice part |
| 00:54.20 | j4cbo | manthis: http://pastebin.com/394955 look good? |
| 00:54.28 | secher | peterS: I know. <grin> |
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| 00:55.00 | j4cbo | eth0 is ethernet, eth1 is an orinoco card acting as an access point with hermesap |
| 00:55.06 | peterS | secher: my previous dsl plan of 1500 down, 256 up was *plenty* fast enough for me. (current plan is faster but I only switched because a promotion made it cheaper.) but a static IP would have been nice. |
| 00:56.04 | secher | peterS: what I have now is fine as well, I switched because of the static IP. |
| 00:56.14 | peterS | secher: right |
| 00:56.25 | peterS | secher: so how much will this cost you? |
| 00:56.26 | kreknola | Isn't there a program that clones a paration? |
| 00:56.32 | jmg | j4cbo: hermesap? |
| 00:56.53 | j4cbo | jmg: http://hunz.org/hermesap.html |
| 00:56.59 | secher | peterS: a grand total of 55 bucks / mo cause I got it in a package with telco. |
| 00:57.01 | peterS | kreknola: you can clone any partition using 'cp' on the raw device, or 'cp -ax' within the filesystem. so a separate tool for this seems unnecessary. however, I think 'parted' might be able to do it. |
| 00:57.05 | j4cbo | i can get to the router system from both the wired and wireless connections |
| 00:57.19 | peterS | secher: not bad, not bad. more than I'd want to pay, but considering the speed and the static, a good deal |
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| 00:57.37 | kreknola | peterS: Ok.. thanks.. I'll check it out.. |
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| 00:58.48 | secher | Yeah, and I don't have to deal with verizon anymore either. These folks knew what I meant when I said I run Linux as my OS. I started to explain, and the sales chickie cut me off with "We support Linux sir." <GLEE> |
| 00:59.02 | peterS | secher: ha |
| 00:59.05 | TwistedEmotions | wtf |
| 00:59.06 | gpm | hey guys. sorry to be annoying, but for normal, non-usb keyboards, what kernel option do we need to compile in? my keyboard doesn't work right now... |
| 00:59.41 | peterS | gpm: shouldn't need any particular option, those get compiled in already by default. but look under 'Device drivers' -> 'input devices' to be sure the basic input subsystem is compiled in |
| 01:00.03 | kreknola | hmm.. parted doesn't seem to help much.. I need something like Norton's Ghost.. |
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| 01:00.49 | secher | kreknola: did you google for ghost drive linux? ghosting is a general term, not merely the name of a software package. |
| 01:00.53 | aeronadix | I am having trouble compiling mplaying for linux. I can't seem to find the error message |
| 01:00.57 | peterS | kreknola: we don't have anything comparable to ghost, sorry. there are some things that can distribute an OS install to clients in one way or another, but they require a bit of fiddling to configure them |
| 01:01.00 | error403 | I have a strange 'locate' problem... I have a deleted file, but when i do updatebd && locate <file-name>, it still comes up in the results, even though it isnt there when i go to that location... |
| 01:01.07 | gpm | peterS: looks like i disabled yet another important driver. |
| 01:01.18 | peterS | gpm: easy enough to do when you're compiling your own. live 'n' learn |
| 01:01.22 | gpm | i should read the help options more thoroughly. |
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| 01:01.26 | gpm | yeah |
| 01:01.30 | peterS | which is, I'm sure, the point of the exercise to begin with |
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| 01:02.22 | secher | it's been a while since I compiled my own. Hrm. perhaps a task for a quiet evening this week. Thanks gpm! |
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| 01:02.46 | toko123 | greetings |
| 01:02.49 | gpm | secher: np. i usually save my .config's but i lost mine somehow |
| 01:03.00 | gpm | and now i have to actually go in and read instead of just make oldconfig |
| 01:03.09 | Rydekull | Im curious, novell has their system where they can 'push out packages' to computers in the network, is there any similiar system for debian and .deb? :) |
| 01:03.15 | toko123 | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1592091&sku=A455-2102%20F |
| 01:03.21 | peterS | gpm: on 2.6 kernels there is an option for /proc/config.gz - always enable it, then it's easy to see what you last used (: |
| 01:03.37 | Guerin | Rydekull: you're going to have to explain what you mean |
| 01:03.47 | gpm | peterS: cool. thanks. |
| 01:03.55 | toko123 | with sata can debian run this without alot of cussing or prayer |
| 01:04.02 | lakcaj | My external dvd burner has decided to spontaneously stop working. I'm using k3b, and everytime I try to burn a dvd iso I get an OPC Input/Output error and it quits. I've googled and even checked the Ubuntu forums, but I'm not sure what to do. |
| 01:04.13 | Guerin | toko123: depends on the sata controller. Generally, yes. |
| 01:04.18 | dasunt | Is there a nfsd that can be configured to listen on a specific interface? |
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| 01:04.45 | toko123 | is anyone on the running athlon 64 |
| 01:04.46 | secher | Rydekull: you're talking about a network push install, yes? |
| 01:04.56 | j4cbo | toko123: yes |
| 01:05.15 | peterS | toko123: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 for information |
| 01:05.17 | Rydekull | secher: aye |
| 01:05.17 | toko123 | j4cbo:you |
| 01:05.35 | Rydekull | Guerin: packages on one place, you say "I want this there" it makes it so |
| 01:05.38 | peterS | toko123: it's not an official debian port because of some infrastructure problems that caused it to miss the deadline for the sarge release. but it's fully supported even so |
| 01:05.43 | kreknola | Hmm.. ok, I'll try this dd command to image.. but.. how can i write it to the dvd?.. the "of" parameter seems to be only harddrive... |
| 01:05.52 | Guerin | Rydekull: easily automated with sh and ssh and aptitude |
| 01:05.58 | j4cbo | don't use the amd64 port... |
| 01:06.06 | dasunt | Looks like dragonflyBSD has the option for NFSd to listen on a specific interface. |
| 01:06.09 | Rydekull | Guerin: yes, true, but it aint what im searching for :) |
| 01:06.17 | Guerin | Rydekull: or even nfs or samba and cron |
| 01:06.19 | j4cbo | 32-bit userland and maybe a 64-bit kernel, although that complicates things |
| 01:06.28 | Rydekull | Guerin: still not the same thing |
| 01:06.35 | toko123 | I'm concerned about video support spec ati card |
| 01:06.38 | Guerin | Rydekull: sounds like the makin's of a soft and squishy network to me |
| 01:06.39 | toko123 | on system |
| 01:06.43 | toko123 | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1592091&sku=A455-2102%20F |
| 01:06.44 | bucky | j4cbo, i got a computer with amd64 sid |
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| 01:06.53 | j4cbo | bucky: is it worthwhile? |
| 01:06.56 | manthis | j4cbo: so pretty much when u try to access 192.168.27.1 from any host on 28.0 u don't get anything? |
| 01:07.03 | bucky | i like it |
| 01:07.27 | bucky | i wouldn't run a 32bit operating system on it |
| 01:07.28 | j4cbo | manthis: when i try to access 192.168.27.anything from 192.168.28.anything, nothing happens |
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| 01:07.33 | meff | j4cbo: you'll need more ram, and you'll have to setup a chroot for most ia32 apps. |
| 01:07.41 | toko123 | I have an app which would be entirely men resident with a 2 gig system |
| 01:07.58 | toko123 | http://mreavey.homeip,net:8001 |
| 01:08.08 | j4cbo | is there any advantage to using a 64-bit userland over a 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userland? |
| 01:08.15 | compguy949 | can someone help, problem with server, 16gb ram , debian only sees 9gb |
| 01:08.27 | j4cbo | 'cause as it is i can run both 32- and 64-bit apps, no chroots |
| 01:08.32 | Guerin | compguy949: i already told you how to fix this, why are you not doing it? |
| 01:08.33 | toko123 | the attraction with athlon is addressable space and 4 gig mb |
| 01:08.35 | meff | j4cbo: #debian-amd64 read links in topic |
| 01:08.36 | bucky | j4cbo, if you want flash or some crap in mozilla you'll have to run a 32bit mozilla but i don't miss flash |
| 01:08.39 | secher | Guerin: you may want 5 installs of Y on 5 puters, and 2 installs of Z on 10 puters, and a N package on all puters. it's a hassle to build scripts for something like that, it's more of an application level tool. |
| 01:08.54 | compguy949 | because its too broad of an answer |
| 01:09.01 | compguy949 | ide need a step by step |
| 01:09.03 | Guerin | secher: the hassle would be managing all the ssh logins automatically. |
| 01:09.09 | compguy949 | its a little critical on thies |
| 01:09.09 | secher | s/2/10/g |
| 01:09.19 | Guerin | secher: the rest of it wouldn't be hard at all. |
| 01:09.20 | Rydekull | Guerin: still a hassle |
| 01:09.24 | bucky | compguy949, did you upgrade your install kernel? |
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| 01:09.42 | Guerin | compguy949: hire someone to build you a highmem kernel |
| 01:09.57 | Guerin | compguy949: and i DID tell you step-by-step |
| 01:10.06 | secher | in any case, does Debian or the GNU/Linux world have a tool like that? Talk about handy. |
| 01:10.22 | Guerin | it sounds like a mammoth security risk to me |
| 01:10.31 | Rydekull | Guerin: there is tools like this in for example a thinclient solution with elux ng, very nice, set up different 'packetsets' put the 'computer' in that 'group' and woah, it gets all the packages needed :) |
| 01:10.46 | secher | Gnea's done, pour the coffee. |
| 01:10.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:10.58 | Guerin | Rydekull: oh, i talked at some length with a guy about this a few weeks ago. |
| 01:10.58 | Rydekull | Guerin: wouldnt be more unsafe then your handknacked scripts :) |
| 01:11.07 | Gnea | sugar, please |
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| 01:11.17 | compguy949 | no, i didnt install the upgraded kernel, i was lost with you command |
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| 01:11.30 | Gnea | compguy949: do you need a custom kernel? |
| 01:11.31 | Guerin | Rydekull: he was going to design profiles, and on login, the machine would et what it needed from the central server. |
| 01:11.32 | secher | Gnea: and half and half? |
| 01:11.39 | Gnea | secher: hold that |
| 01:11.46 | compguy949 | i just need a kernel that will see 16gb of ram |
| 01:11.52 | Guerin | Rydekull: right, definitely no less secure than automating root ssh access to every computer on a network. |
| 01:11.57 | Gnea | compguy949: then you need a custom kernel. |
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| 01:12.01 | Guerin | err |
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| 01:12.20 | Gnea | compguy949: sorry, i'm walking in on the convo here - what kernel are you using? |
| 01:12.32 | compguy949 | i sec |
| 01:12.34 | compguy949 | 1 |
| 01:12.35 | setnf | Hi, in what section of debian's site i can find boot-floopies for the installation of sarge? |
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| 01:12.50 | compguy949 | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 01:12.50 | Gnea | setnf: the ftp section |
| 01:12.57 | Guerin | compguy949: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package libncurses5-dev bzip2 kernel-source-you-want fakeroot |
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| 01:13.01 | Guerin | compguy949: run make menuconfig, change the options you want; and do the KP mantra |
| 01:13.07 | Guerin | !tell compguy949 about kp mantra |
| 01:13.09 | Gnea | compguy949: have you tried 2.6.8? |
| 01:13.15 | compguy949 | ok, you are saying the same thing |
| 01:13.19 | compguy949 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.20 | Guerin | compguy949: it really, truly, does not get any more simple than that |
| 01:13.21 | compguy949 | no |
| 01:13.37 | compguy949 | never done a kernel upgrade |
| 01:13.38 | compguy949 | thats why |
| 01:13.39 | Rydekull | Guerin: it would be kinda like cfengine but for packages :) |
| 01:13.40 | Guerin | compguy949: you are just going to have to learn. What bit are you stucck on? |
| 01:13.42 | secher | !kp mantra |
| 01:13.43 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 01:13.52 | Gnea | !2.6 |
| 01:13.52 | dpkg | i heard 2.6 is /msg dpkg kp or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6 or http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html for 2.4 to 2.6 differences long summary |
| 01:13.55 | compguy949 | ok, to upgrade a kernel |
| 01:13.56 | compguy949 | ... |
| 01:14.09 | Gnea | to upgrade a kernel, is very simple |
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| 01:14.13 | compguy949 | kernel-source-you-want fakeroot |
| 01:14.15 | Gnea | you install a kernel image |
| 01:14.19 | Rydekull | Guerin: now, one could use cfengine for that, and tell it to issue a command or script, but I'd rather have it 'specially' for packages :) |
| 01:14.22 | Gnea | and then you reboot |
| 01:14.23 | compguy949 | how do i know the name of the kernel? |
| 01:14.25 | Guerin | compguy949: ok. what branch of debian? |
| 01:14.25 | mitti | I've broken X11 and need some assistance getting it back. I've read about 4 different problems that are causing the same error on google with no luck so far.. :( I'm getting this: Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'; |
| 01:14.31 | Gnea | compguy949: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 01:14.32 | Guerin | compguy949: you search, as I told you to do. |
| 01:14.40 | Guerin | Rydekull: i don't know about this cfengine. |
| 01:14.42 | compguy949 | thankyou Gnea |
| 01:14.46 | Gnea | np |
| 01:14.51 | aeronadix | \\\ |
| 01:14.53 | aeronadix | \ |
| 01:14.57 | Rydekull | Guerin: comes in handy when you run big clusters :) |
| 01:15.02 | Guerin | Gnea: are there 16G highmem debian kernels? |
| 01:15.06 | Gnea | Guerin: he obviously doesn't know the apt commands very well |
| 01:15.10 | Henry_Bean | hi people, i'm having a trouble compiling gnomebaker... i download tarball, diff and dsc from the pool, made dpkg-source -x whatithastobe.dsc, into the created folder, i made fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -d, and after check a few things tell me that it hasn't a Makefile (which is true :S) any idea what i have to do? (i don't want to apt-get it, coz i'm having a segfault with this version) |
| 01:15.12 | Gnea | Guerin: i don't know for sure |
| 01:15.21 | Guerin | Gnea: I do. There aren't. |
| 01:15.21 | setnf | Gnea: sorry, can't find. |
| 01:15.28 | compguy949 | Gnea, it found about 50 of them |
| 01:15.32 | bucky | won't a kernel in the repos support 16G of ram? |
| 01:15.34 | Guerin | so he DOES NEED to build his own kernel. |
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| 01:15.56 | Guerin | last i checked, all debian kernel images were HIGHMEM 4G |
| 01:15.59 | mitti | mm.. 16gb of ram.. |
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| 01:16.11 | Gnea | compguy949: cool, see what the highest order of 2.6 kernel you can get for your arch (check uname -a) |
| 01:16.38 | compguy949 | well |
| 01:16.39 | Gnea | actually, uname -m |
| 01:16.42 | compguy949 | just to tellyou |
| 01:17.01 | Gnea | this is important |
| 01:17.06 | compguy949 | its a dual optron with 16gb ram and 2 400gb hdd's with raid1 |
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| 01:17.15 | Gnea | hardware raid |
| 01:17.16 | Gnea | ? |
| 01:17.29 | compguy949 | yes |
| 01:17.30 | Guerin | compguy949: so how did you get to be in posession of this machine without the faintest clue how to administer it? |
| 01:17.36 | compguy949 | i686 |
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| 01:17.53 | Gnea | ok, apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6 i686 |
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| 01:18.06 | a514 | Hey There, I need a Business Card Appilcation |
| 01:18.15 | compguy949 | debian.org |
| 01:18.17 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:18.27 | Henry_Bean | hi people, i'm having a trouble compiling gnomebaker... i download tarball, diff and dsc from the pool, made dpkg-source -x whatithastobe.dsc, into the created folder, i made fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -d, and after check a few things tell me that it hasn't a Makefile (which is true :S) any idea what i have to do? (i don't want to apt-get it, coz i'm having a segfault with this version) |
| 01:18.31 | Gnea | compguy949: sorry, apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6 686 - omit the 'i' |
| 01:18.39 | compguy949 | lol |
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| 01:18.41 | compguy949 | thought so |
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| 01:18.50 | Gnea | and it's dual, so go for the smp |
| 01:18.51 | Guerin | !wayc Henry_Bean |
| 01:18.52 | dpkg | Henry_Bean: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:18.54 | a514 | I found GLabel :) |
| 01:19.17 | compguy949 | Gnea, found about 15 of them |
| 01:19.18 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: why would the same version built on your machine not segfault when the packaged version does? |
| 01:19.20 | Henry_Bean | dpkg, because i'm having a segmentation fault problem when i tried to burn a dvd |
| 01:19.29 | mitti | Anyone ever heard of my X11 problem? "could not open default font 'fixed'" |
| 01:19.38 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: check the BTS and consider using another dvd burning program |
| 01:19.45 | Guerin | !fixed |
| 01:19.45 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, i'm trying to compile an older version |
| 01:19.45 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 01:19.58 | compguy949 | but they all say for intel systems |
| 01:20.01 | Gnea | compguy949: i just realized something - opteron is a k8, right? |
| 01:20.02 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, what is the BTS? |
| 01:20.02 | compguy949 | this is a amd system |
| 01:20.08 | compguy949 | um |
| 01:20.10 | compguy949 | it is... |
| 01:20.12 | Gnea | !bts |
| 01:20.12 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 01:20.39 | meff | Gnea: iirc its k8 yes |
| 01:20.49 | Gnea | alright |
| 01:20.54 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: oh. you can build a .deb from a source tree by running fakeroot debian/rules binary in the source dir |
| 01:21.02 | Gnea | kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp <-- that's what you want |
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| 01:21.23 | brian__ | can somebody help me? im creating a bash script...how do I take a file that has two colums and swap them? |
| 01:21.28 | compguy949 | the system is a TYAN B2881 Transport GX28 |
| 01:21.30 | Guerin | Gnea: and it probably won't have highmem support up to 16G |
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| 01:21.39 | meff | Gnea: will he even be able to allocate all 16gb in ia32 mode? it'd be much more beneficial for him to use debian-amd64 |
| 01:21.40 | Gnea | Guerin: we'll see |
| 01:21.44 | Gnea | ooooo tyan |
| 01:21.47 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, yeah, it's what i'm trying... i did everything that i usually do to make a deb... but in this case it tell me that there is no Makefile... :S |
| 01:21.47 | Guerin | !tell brian__ about awk cheats |
| 01:21.49 | compguy949 | with dual 2400 mhz procesors |
| 01:21.57 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: there's no debian/rules file? |
| 01:22.02 | Gnea | meff: it's possible... |
| 01:22.12 | compguy949 | and 8 sticks of pc2700 2gb each |
| 01:22.21 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, oh, yeah, sorry, i'll try that instead fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -d |
| 01:22.34 | meff | Gnea: yeah but in ia32 mode, he can only allocate 4gb per program.. i'd really suggest he uses the amd64 port. |
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| 01:22.56 | Guerin | meff: baby steps |
| 01:23.02 | Gnea | meff: right, then the ia32 can use whatever it sets aside - good idea |
| 01:23.17 | compguy949 | Gnea, whats next? |
| 01:23.49 | Gnea | compguy949: well before we continue, what's the purpose of this system gonna be? some kinda database monster? |
| 01:23.55 | meff | Guerin: true.. but highmem on ia32 isnt very efficient w/ 16gb ram :x |
| 01:24.03 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, how could run debian/rules? fakeroot ./debian/rules? |
| 01:24.24 | Gnea | Guerin: i agree with meff, efficiency is probably going to be a major factor |
| 01:24.36 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: if you're in the root of the source tree, fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 01:24.39 | peterS | Henry_Bean: 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' is the usual method |
| 01:24.43 | compguy949 | cant really say |
| 01:24.53 | meff | alot of that ram will be just wasted in ia32 |
| 01:24.57 | compguy949 | there are 4 of them so it has to be cloned to all the others |
| 01:25.13 | Guerin | Gnea: oh, so do I. It's just that the guy barely knows which way is up for now, let alone being capable of reinstalling everything. |
| 01:25.18 | MrSarge | I have an admin section of my website, yet it wont accept my password! how can I fix? |
| 01:25.19 | Gnea | compguy949: ok well it doesn't matter - if you want the system to use all of that ram, then installing a proper 64-bit enabled system from the ground-up is going to be your best bet |
| 01:25.24 | compguy949 | i just need it to see all the memory and i can get out of this cold garage |
| 01:25.28 | Guerin | !htfswk MrSarge |
| 01:25.29 | dpkg | MrSarge: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 01:25.47 | meff | Guerin: however a amd64 kernel should support his ram outofbox w/out a recompile :) |
| 01:25.47 | Gnea | compguy949: but if you want to learn and have the time to do a few reinstalls, then go for this kernel |
| 01:25.55 | MrSarge | how can you clear the password of a mysql admin section? |
| 01:25.58 | Guerin | meff: point. |
| 01:26.09 | compguy949 | ide say the easiest way at this point |
| 01:26.13 | compguy949 | which i would say a reinstall |
| 01:26.23 | meff | the easiest way MAY be the amd64 port. |
| 01:26.24 | compguy949 | or if it dosent take long, a kernel upgrade |
| 01:26.31 | Guerin | MrSarge: get a shell and run connect to your mysql server with 'mysql' |
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| 01:26.39 | Guerin | MrSarge: if you don't know how, ask in #mysql |
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| 01:26.41 | compguy949 | and the amd64port will see 16gb of ram? |
| 01:26.42 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, peterS , it tell me the same message, that there is no Makefile (it's true) |
| 01:26.48 | meff | i'd suggest you talk to the #debian-amd64 people, compguy949 |
| 01:26.52 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: is there a debian/ dir? |
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| 01:27.17 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, yes |
| 01:27.20 | Gnea | compguy949: the reason for the reinstall is that, at this point, a kernel upgrade will activate the 64-bit portions of the CPU's, but the system itself won't be able to take advantage of it - it's kinda like taking a 8cyl engine and putting it in a pinto |
| 01:27.23 | Guerin | compguy949: i suggest you hire a competent admin to set this all up for you |
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| 01:27.33 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: in that dir, is there a file called 'rules'? |
| 01:27.35 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, i downloaded .dsc, .diff, and tarball from the official mirror |
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| 01:27.43 | MrSarge | if I forgot my own password for my mysql admin, is there a way I can still get in? |
| 01:27.44 | meff | Guerin: good idea. |
| 01:27.48 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, yes, it's there |
| 01:27.57 | Guerin | MrSarge: ask #mysql |
| 01:28.04 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: that is the makefile |
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| 01:28.10 | Gnea | compguy949: OTOH, the stock debian kernels may not see all of the ram and you may need a custom kernel to be built |
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| 01:28.23 | meff | compguy949: either check out #debian-amd64 or do as guerin says, seek someone competant to install those systems. you'd be ruining them running ia32 on them. |
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| 01:28.46 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. :( |
| 01:28.58 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: have a look at it |
| 01:29.14 | Henry_Bean | oki |
| 01:29.19 | meff | but i am pretty sure 16gb is supported outofbox w/ a kernel from the amd64 port. |
| 01:29.21 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: are there any targets? should be at least clean and binary ... i forget the others |
| 01:29.49 | johnsu01 | After recent security upgrades on my debian stable server, I've been having a few weird problems. I get mail from this server via fetchmail, ssl, courier-imap. Currently it's taking an absurd amount of time to download a message. I don't see errors anywhere. |
| 01:29.57 | Gnea | compguy949: amd64 is easy - they have a netinstall iso that's under 200meg |
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| 01:30.36 | meff | compguy949: you'd literally be wasting gigs of ram just do be able to address that much ram.. |
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| 01:31.33 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, rules file don't have many things... |
| 01:31.47 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: you applied the diff, right? |
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| 01:32.06 | Guerin | oh, dpkg-source should have done that |
| 01:32.07 | johnsu01 | looking at fetchmail -v output, it looks to be hung on SELECT "INBOX". It will eventually get past this, but it takes a few minutes. |
| 01:32.15 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, mmmm... i think... i only did dpkg-source -x gnomebaker-version.dsc |
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| 01:32.30 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, i doesn't apply the diff, right? :S |
| 01:32.38 | lakcaj | so no ideas on the OPC error? Burning in k3b still gives me a "OPC failed, try burning at write speed 1x" error, but it didn't used to. |
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| 01:32.56 | meff | lakcaj: heh. what drive and what kinda media? |
| 01:33.01 | Guerin | Henry_Bean: dpkg-source ought to have. I have no further ideas, except that you might try s.d.n for an older version |
| 01:33.04 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 01:33.04 | dpkg | well, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 01:33.23 | Henry_Bean | Guerin, oh, ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 01:33.24 | Guerin | i'm off anyway, need breakkfast |
| 01:33.26 | lakcaj | meff: external benq dvd writer, with fuji dvd-r discs that have worked great until just recently. |
| 01:33.35 | lakcaj | usb external |
| 01:33.44 | meff | lakcaj: i smell a dying drive. benq dvd writers fail ALOT. |
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| 01:34.10 | meff | lakcaj: to make sure, put it internal and see if the same thing happens |
| 01:34.10 | peterS | lakcaj: makes me wonder if it's genuine hardware problems. that's what OPC timeouts usually are |
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| 01:34.31 | meff | peterS: benq dvd writers have horrendous track records :/ |
| 01:34.40 | peterS | meff: I believe you, I have zero experience with any dvd writers |
| 01:34.56 | peterS | meff: but my combo DVDROM / CDRW stopped reading DVDs at some point |
| 01:35.01 | peterS | (not benq, but still) |
| 01:35.07 | meff | hehe |
| 01:35.09 | Genghis | anyone knows why in resolv.conf only the first nameserv is used? |
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| 01:35.17 | Genghis | cause the first one is down, the second is up, but my box aint using the second one... |
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| 01:35.24 | lakcaj | I'll never buy benq again. This thing was on sale, and I could tell it was a piece of shit as soon as I took it out of the box. |
| 01:35.31 | Guerin | Genghis: because it returns a legitimate response? |
| 01:35.34 | meff | lakcaj: lol |
| 01:35.39 | peterS | meff: I have no idea when it failed because I almost never used it for DVDs (: just one day it didn't work |
| 01:35.54 | Guerin | Genghis: when you look up a known name, like say google.com, using the first, what response do you get? |
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| 01:36.12 | meff | lakcaj: if you want proof about their reliability, check out the benq forums on club.cdfreaks.com ... |
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| 01:36.15 | meff | lakcaj: :) |
| 01:36.24 | Genghis | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 01:36.25 | lakcaj | meff: what brand would you recommend? |
| 01:36.42 | meff | lakcaj: i like lite-on and NEC personally |
| 01:36.44 | Guerin | Genghis: and if you look it up using the second? |
| 01:36.49 | lakcaj | ok, thanks |
| 01:37.07 | meff | lakcaj: with a 1693s lite-on and some good quality media (fuji is a-ok) you'll be set |
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| 01:37.29 | Genghis | then it works |
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| 01:37.36 | Genghis | i'll spare you the pasting LOL |
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| 01:37.41 | meff | lakcaj: i use a 1693s w/ Taiyo Yuden T02 media :) |
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| 01:38.08 | meff | lakcaj: once again, check out club.cdfreaks.com and read up |
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| 01:38.38 | lakcaj | meff: I'm going to email myself that site so I have it handy when I buy a replacement for this paperweight |
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| 01:38.55 | Guerin | Genghis: hrm, beats me. It should fail over to the next if the first one fails. |
| 01:39.00 | concept10 | what is the safe way to resize a ext3 partition on a dual boot config? |
| 01:39.09 | meff | lakcaj: good .. that site is very nice, they have tons of drive info and disk scans of mostly any blank media.. |
| 01:39.10 | Guerin | Genghis: suggest you use 4.2.2.1 as your first nameserver |
| 01:39.16 | JoHankae | i nkow everything.. shoot |
| 01:39.29 | Guerin | JoHankae: start writing |
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| 01:39.43 | Genghis | Guerin: what would that do? |
| 01:39.53 | Genghis | you mean changing the ip of the first one into that ip? |
| 01:39.59 | JoHankae | Guerin: you do not witx |
| 01:40.04 | Guerin | Genghis: 4.2.2.1 is a known-reliable nameserver |
| 01:40.12 | Genghis | ow okay |
| 01:40.20 | Guerin | JoHankae: you're right ... I do not ... witx. WHatever that is. |
| 01:40.20 | Genghis | thanks ;) |
| 01:40.21 | JoHankae | the monkix |
| 01:40.22 | meff | Guerin: albeit slow.. :) |
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| 01:40.41 | Guerin | meff: it's not slow for me. |
| 01:40.48 | concept10 | does gparted or qtparted safely resize partitions? |
| 01:40.57 | JoHankae | Guerin: im your father Luke |
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| 01:41.03 | Guerin | meff: faster than nameservers i know here in korea |
| 01:41.14 | Guerin | JoHankae: my father's name was not luke |
| 01:41.20 | meff | Guerin: true.. too many hops from where i am in the US |
| 01:41.38 | Guerin | concept10: not safely enough to eschew backups |
| 01:41.39 | concept10 | damn am I muted? |
| 01:41.41 | JoHankae | Guerin: ae you sure because i feel strongly on that point |
| 01:41.44 | Guerin | concept10: yes |
| 01:41.47 | concept10 | heh |
| 01:41.57 | Guerin | JoHankae: what does Strongly think about this? |
| 01:42.01 | JoHankae | concept10: yah, rasta man |
| 01:42.03 | JoHankae | :) |
| 01:42.21 | JoHankae | Guerin: you wanna bot-net ? |
| 01:42.34 | Guerin | JoHankae: already got one. |
| 01:42.35 | JoHankae | Guerin:then shut the bot up |
| 01:42.43 | JoHankae | looser |
| 01:42.49 | JoHankae | drone |
| 01:42.50 | MrSarge | can anyone help. if I forgot my own password for my mysql admin, is there a way I can still get in? |
| 01:43.00 | Guerin | JoHankae: my bots do my bitting, and currently they are silent. |
| 01:43.07 | Guerin | meff: ask #mysql, ffs. |
| 01:43.08 | JoHankae | caphsixeteh |
| 01:43.10 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:43.14 | Guerin | MrSarge: ask #mysql, ffs. |
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| 01:43.41 | JoHankae | Guerin: feck off mr spockiix ;) |
| 01:43.42 | a514 | Hi, I searched for business card & got http://www.debian.org/events/materials/business-cards/flashy/carte_debian_expo.png In FF the image properties Alternate text: contains errors ? Try it. Fix ? Thanks 2005. |
| 01:44.04 | Guerin | JoHankae: hey, you were the one who called my father Luke and said you were giving Strongly a bit of a feel |
| 01:44.12 | Whitman | I've run 'adduser alex www-data', but running 'groups' doesn't show the www-data group and the user is unable to write to directories owned by the www-data group. Is there something else I have to do to update the group info? |
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| 01:44.28 | Guerin | Whitman: newgrp data; |
| 01:44.41 | Deviant17m | hey.. I got a problem with KDE |
| 01:44.41 | JoHankae | Guerin: all your strong dick is just gonna convince us youre extremely gay |
| 01:44.48 | Guerin | Whitman: group membership isn't updated until next login or until you run newgrp |
| 01:44.51 | cheal | Deviant17m: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:44.58 | Deviant17m | there's a problem with my KDE, the program will not work |
| 01:45.02 | Guerin | JoHankae: not that there's anything wrong with that |
| 01:45.05 | Whitman | Ahh, I see, thanks. |
| 01:45.07 | JoHankae | Guerin: go away we say, jump the hay |
| 01:45.35 | JoHankae | Guerin: gay is wrong, are ya wrong ? |
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| 01:45.41 | Guerin | JoHankae: if you're not a random spambot, reply with the name of a vegetable |
| 01:45.43 | ifyoucan | We need contributors for developing our website, http://www.mundolinux.org. More information: #mundolinux |
| 01:45.44 | JoHankae | br0ken mind |
| 01:46.00 | Deviant17m | im missing libc6... apt will not work getting it |
| 01:46.02 | Guerin | DarkWish: ifyoucan: fuck off, you twats |
| 01:46.09 | DarkWish | hello |
| 01:46.10 | DarkWish | bro |
| 01:46.11 | DarkWish | :) |
| 01:46.13 | JoHankae | faggots are stupid and icky |
| 01:46.20 | Guerin | Deviant17m: reinstall. broken libc6 is broken OS. |
| 01:46.35 | Guerin | !ops JoHankae is a homophobe tard and DarkWish and ifyoucan are spaming |
| 01:46.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: JoHankae is a homophobe tard and DarkWish and ifyoucan are spaming |
| 01:46.37 | cheal | Deviant17m: hah. what does dpkg -l libc6|grep ii; return? |
| 01:46.40 | Guerin | spaamMing |
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| 01:46.49 | Deviant17m | but the program doesn't work!!! |
| 01:46.51 | peterS | spaaaaaming |
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| 01:46.55 | JoHankae | i like to try putting their heads thru brick walls but i never suceed |
| 01:46.56 | Deviant17m | T_T |
| 01:46.57 | Guerin | Deviant17m: just reinstall |
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| 01:47.09 | Deviant17m | noooooooooooooo |
| 01:47.21 | Deviant17m | it will not work!! |
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| 01:47.33 | peterS | thanks, Rez |
| 01:47.40 | Rez | uh, huh |
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| 01:48.20 | elodeon | they are like cantalopez on the brick wallz |
| 01:48.26 | shad0w1e | question: How do I open up the sound mixer from console? |
| 01:48.28 | elodeon | :) |
| 01:48.37 | antgel | Guerin: can he not boot from a live cd and download the .deb, mount the filesystem, and unpack the .deb into it? |
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| 01:48.44 | dli | shad0w1e, alsamixer |
| 01:48.48 | shad0w1e | thanxs |
| 01:49.03 | shad0w1e | bash: alsamixer: command not found |
| 01:49.07 | shad0w1e | any other ideas? |
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| 01:49.21 | MrSarge | i cant even get into my OWN mysql admin :P it wont accept my password! Any way to resest it? |
| 01:49.32 | dli | shad0w1e, do you have alsa? if not, try aumix |
| 01:49.36 | elodeon | what op killed my drone ? / i have all night... Har HAr |
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| 01:49.55 | shad0w1e | bash: aumix: command not found |
| 01:49.59 | shad0w1e | any other ideas?! |
| 01:50.46 | kittenbot | shad0w1e: kmix ? apt-get install aumix ? |
| 01:50.54 | elodeon | Batter Up Alindeman |
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| 01:51.24 | shad0w1e | kittenbot I'm afraid that sound was never set up on this box |
| 01:51.27 | shad0w1e | how can I check that |
| 01:51.29 | eXa_bOy | whats teh command to view info about your eth0... i cant work out which one its using as eth0. |
| 01:51.41 | Guerin | antgel: feel free to talk him through it |
| 01:51.45 | shad0w1e | I mean, I'm ssh'ing in |
| 01:51.52 | peterS | ifconfig eth0 |
| 01:52.06 | peterS | it'll tell you your MAC address, from which you can derive the brand name of your chip |
| 01:52.19 | antgel | Guerin: nah, going to bed now. was just wondering if the concept would work or if libc was somehow special in that respect |
| 01:52.34 | Guerin | antgel: would work, but tricky to pull off. |
| 01:52.39 | eXa_bOy | 00:40:F4:3B... |
| 01:52.40 | peterS | (the mapping between MAC and brand name is in /usr/share/ethereal/manuf if you have ethereal-common installed) |
| 01:53.10 | peterS | eXa_bOy: really? that lists as Cameo Communications, Inc. not a vendor I've heard of |
| 01:53.19 | kittenbot | shad0w1e: If you've got the right kernel modules loaded to drive your hardware, then aumix will do the volume stuff for you if you install it. |
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| 01:53.33 | eXa_bOy | its an EPIA ML |
| 01:53.40 | elodeon | i hate to be op on all these networks... i just have to because im awesomely handsome and fair |
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| 01:53.45 | peterS | eXa_bOy: well, you can 'ifconfig eth1' and see what that vendor is |
| 01:53.49 | eXa_bOy | rhine i believe... but ive got an realteck in there too |
| 01:53.55 | peterS | I'm assuming you have multiple nics here |
| 01:53.59 | eXa_bOy | yeha |
| 01:54.02 | BreezyInCalif | hi room - good (morning|afternoon|evening) all |
| 01:54.15 | BreezyInCalif | I've got a question about /etc/rcS.d filenames and runlevels |
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| 01:54.19 | elodeon | feck, nighty then :) |
| 01:54.24 | eXa_bOy | ifconfig only shows eth0 |
| 01:54.24 | eXa_bOy | and lo |
| 01:54.33 | peterS | eXa_bOy: what about 'ifconfig -a'? |
| 01:54.38 | antgel | BreezyInCalif: are you running breezy? |
| 01:54.49 | BreezyInCalif | Yeppers antgel |
| 01:54.52 | BreezyInCalif | Like it :) |
| 01:55.02 | shad0w1e | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 01:55.07 | shad0w1e | what does that mean? |
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| 01:55.10 | eXa_bOy | nice, thats showing eth1 as 00:40:63:c9... |
| 01:55.13 | wickedpuppy | BreezyInCalif, why nto ask in #ubuntu ? |
| 01:55.16 | wickedpuppy | not |
| 01:55.19 | peterS | eXa_bOy: Via Technologies |
| 01:55.22 | antgel | BreezyInCalif: it's good, but this is #debian. we don't support ubuntu here |
| 01:55.25 | peterS | eXa_bOy: the people who made your motherboard |
| 01:55.26 | nemo | Has anyone ever had this problem? when I try to apt-get update I get the following.............GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 |
| 01:55.29 | elodeon | BreezyInCalif: its: hi room - good {morning,afternoon,evening, night} room :) |
| 01:55.38 | BreezyInCalif | Well - it's a generic debian runlevel question - I can see that there's significance to which rc?.d directory (where "?" = a number 0-6 or "S") a script lives in, and that there is signficance to the numbers with which a script begins. Is there some *established* significance to, for example, 47, as in "/etc/rcS.d/47filename.sh" ? What I want to do is "modprobe fuse" on each boot, and also to Not Screw Up |
| 01:55.53 | BreezyInCalif | elodeon - superchill :) |
| 01:55.55 | wickedpuppy | nemo, that is #ubuntu question ... pls ask there |
| 01:55.56 | eXa_bOy | ok thanks might have cable in the right nick then... interesting. |
| 01:55.59 | BreezyInCalif | I'll use that ya know |
| 01:56.16 | kittenbot | shad0w1e: It probably means that either (1) /dev/mixer is missing (this is unlikely), or (2) You haven't got the right kernel modules loaded. |
| 01:56.17 | peterS | eXa_bOy: yeah I have no idea who that first vendor is, that's kind of weird if that's a realtek card |
| 01:56.20 | Guerin | BreezyInCalif: they're run in order of number. S means start, K means kill |
| 01:56.28 | elodeon | BreezyInCalif: im the g0wdbong.. i dont have to ya knowz teh :) |
| 01:56.36 | shad0w1e | kittenbot so my sound card isn't set up right, yes ?? |
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| 01:56.43 | Guerin | BreezyInCalif: you should just do echo 'fuse' >> /etc/modules; in this case |
| 01:56.44 | eXa_bOy | if i take that nic out, will debian crack the shits? |
| 01:56.46 | antgel | BreezyInCalif: 1.add the module name to /etc/modules. 2. take it to #ubuntu |
| 01:56.49 | minimec | nemo: you have an inofficial source in your sources.list. You may ignore that message |
| 01:57.07 | Guerin | BreezyInCalif: but yeah, #ubuntu can answer this |
| 01:57.12 | BreezyInCalif | Guerin, ty |
| 01:57.16 | Guerin | BreezyInCalif: nything more specific is beyond us |
| 01:57.31 | kittenbot | shad0w1e: Use lsmod to list the kernel modules you have... look in /lib/modules for an appropriate looking module... then type modprobe name-of-module (leave off the .o or .ko file extension) |
| 01:57.31 | BreezyInCalif | antgel - what if I just /nick DebbyAnn ... |
| 01:57.35 | BreezyInCalif | j/k |
| 01:57.37 | elodeon | BreezyInCalif: sighup is not in the number<10 (z) |
| 01:57.46 | Guerin | BreezyInCalif: then we'll know |
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| 01:57.50 | antgel | BreezyInCalif: too late, we know your face :) |
| 01:57.57 | shad0w1e | kittenbot I don't know what sound card is in the box, and lspci didn't bring it up |
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| 01:58.04 | shad0w1e | its integrated actually |
| 01:58.07 | antgel | BreezyInCalif: i remembered you from #ubuntu earlier today :) |
| 01:58.21 | BreezyInCalif | Damn my reputation for dim humor has preceded me |
| 01:58.48 | antgel | shad0w1e: if it's integrated, it's pci-like and will come up in lspci. is it on in the bios? |
| 01:58.51 | elodeon | Bruce Dickinson - Abduction (can it get any better!!!) |
| 01:59.05 | antgel | elodeon: has he been abducted? |
| 01:59.05 | BreezyInCalif | Or was that just generally-dim-Breezy ... |
| 01:59.09 | kittenbot | shad0w1e: Oh. |
| 01:59.10 | shad0w1e | it has not come up in lspci, I'll have to check bios, but again, I only have ssh access right now |
| 01:59.24 | BreezyInCalif | OK - onward and #ubuntu-ward, and thanks, folks. Be good to one another :) |
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| 01:59.36 | elodeon | antgel: im testy, tdo you feel lucky ;) |
| 01:59.37 | antgel | BreezyInCalif: come back when you install debian :) |
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| 02:00.27 | antgel | elodeon: i'm a late maiden convert but i only like a few albums. piece of mind to seventh son inclusive :) |
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| 02:01.05 | imcode | antgel: im liking them all.. one or 2 songs arent cool but all the breast are |
| 02:01.09 | imcode | :) |
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| 02:01.37 | Guerin | meh, i gave up listening to maiden shortly after I was able to grow whiskers |
| 02:02.06 | Guerin | which, in fairness, you guys might not be able to just yet :) |
| 02:02.07 | antgel | what is it about people who like a good OS that make them like good music? e.g. i can say that i'm goign to see dream theater next week and i bet i get at least one bite :) |
| 02:02.24 | shad0w1e | Iron Maiden teh rox0rz teh big ONE111 |
| 02:02.45 | imcode | antgel: ops like to kick me.. i was an op before and id like to kick me because i know everything and i ask for the impossible ;) / so you know |
| 02:03.25 | imcode | "Yay!!!"" |
| 02:03.27 | imcode | :) |
| 02:03.37 | imcode | <<Yay!>> |
| 02:03.37 | Guerin | aww, ain't the little met'lers cute? |
| 02:03.56 | antgel | Guerin: be more patronising. p.s. i'm 28 |
| 02:04.12 | imcode | throw you into a brick wall Guerin :) |
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| 02:04.13 | Guerin | antgel: i have no comment |
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| 02:04.28 | antgel | heh |
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| 02:04.39 | imcode | Headbangin was hard :) |
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| 02:05.07 | pngwn | /c/c |
| 02:05.24 | dogmeat | ive been modifying my /etc/X11/XFree86, and now my screen says 'Cannot Display This Video Mode', what is the key combination to switch to a lower video resolution? Ctrl-+ ? |
| 02:05.24 | secher | Guerin: 35 last week. |
| 02:05.38 | imcode | Amazes me, we make the softwarez U use but ops kick us at random :P |
| 02:06.05 | secher | imcode: what app do you maintain? |
| 02:06.09 | imcode | google they should!½ |
| 02:06.11 | Guerin | what I wonder is why computer geeks like met'l so much |
| 02:06.25 | Guerin | praps they think it makes them 'ard |
| 02:06.28 | imcode | secher: i make them |
| 02:06.30 | secher | supressed sexual desire. |
| 02:06.33 | antgel | Guerin: a lot of us like prog as well. probably the technical aspect |
| 02:06.35 | peterS | dogmeat: ctrl-alt-+ with the + on the numeric keypad |
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| 02:06.47 | imcode | secher: all gui admin apps used worldwide, largescale |
| 02:06.51 | Guerin | ech, prog |
| 02:07.08 | imcode | secher: why y ask ? |
| 02:07.22 | Guerin | imcode: step away from the crack pipe |
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| 02:07.37 | secher | imcode: ahah, I see, and can you name me one piece of software in which I could find your name credited? |
| 02:07.41 | imcode | kill he drone monkeh ? .. ok sir |
| 02:07.43 | antgel | am i very tired or is imcode talking weird shit? |
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| 02:07.51 | Guerin | antgel: probably both |
| 02:08.03 | antgel | indeed. 'night all. |
| 02:08.11 | eXa_bOy | peterS i took that nick out and its all good now :) crappy card |
| 02:08.17 | secher | imcode: well? |
| 02:08.20 | darkcmd | someone said graphical installation tools are coming for debian |
| 02:08.24 | concept10 | I want to know who primarily contributes to the linux community by making the drivers for different hardware. Any insight on this? I know many people. |
| 02:08.26 | darkcmd | may be 3rd party though |
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| 02:08.26 | akusarujin | where can i set my alsa config options specifically for my sound card? i.e. i have a via8237 and /usr/share/alsa/cards/ has a sample config to get surround working on it, where can i copy that to to get some results? |
| 02:08.27 | darkcmd | is this true |
| 02:08.28 | imcode | secher: gdhcpd, gproftpd, gbindns, pkgspider etc etc, i have many unreleased |
| 02:08.34 | pi-meson | I created a RAID-1 root partition using the sarge installer; now I'm trying to create another and I've noted that I can't find a raidtab; does the installer not create one? |
| 02:08.40 | peterS | eXa_bOy: ahh. so the PROM on the card is probably screwed up and it was giving the wrong mac address anyway |
| 02:08.47 | imcode | secher: go goole tool |
| 02:08.54 | eXa_bOy | most likely... |
| 02:08.56 | imcode | i hate kidz |
| 02:08.58 | peterS | pi-meson: raidtab is a concept from 'raidtools2', which debian no longer uses |
| 02:09.03 | peterS | pi-meson: it uses /etc/mdadm/ instead |
| 02:09.11 | peterS | pi-meson: with the mdadm package |
| 02:09.41 | darkcmd | eXa_bOy, is that to me? |
| 02:09.41 | imcode | half of what i made arent out because i hate sco and winblowz |
| 02:09.54 | eXa_bOy | no mate |
| 02:09.56 | imcode | they arent gonna utilize my shit |
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| 02:10.15 | secher | imcode: so you're Magnus-swe? |
| 02:10.36 | eXa_bOy | does apt-get update get security updates? |
| 02:10.51 | imcode | secher: antgel: be sure to cmp the addy G00d.. does it add up ENO yes ? |
| 02:10.52 | peterS | eXa_bOy: no, it just gets an index that includes security updates. you still have to 'apt-get upgrade' to get them |
| 02:10.54 | susp3ct | hi guys, what is the package name for a log analyser that emails the summary to you? |
| 02:10.55 | darkcmd | yes if security is in your sources list, and you're running stable |
| 02:11.04 | pi-meson | oh, okay, I'm totally looking at the wrong docs then. Thanks! |
| 02:11.06 | eXa_bOy | beauty i just did that :) |
| 02:11.10 | darkcmd | susp3ct, logwatch |
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| 02:11.16 | imcode | secher: im gonna say no to that on a count i hate loggin |
| 02:11.23 | susp3ct | darkcmd, ahhh thanks mate |
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| 02:11.36 | darkcmd | susp3ct, you're welcome |
| 02:11.43 | darkcmd | susp3ct, btw which branch of debian are you using? |
| 02:12.06 | imcode | secher: you know that nick though ? |
| 02:12.52 | susp3ct | sarge |
| 02:12.54 | Eyaw_Nayr | For some reason my SoundBlaster card isn't working. The card works in Windows and slackware, and KMix picks it up & I can adjust volumes, but no sound comes out and the "Test Sound" button in KControl doesnt work as well, it gives me an error. Any ideas? |
| 02:12.56 | eXa_bOy | whats the best way to install php? |
| 02:13.00 | susp3ct | darkcmd, sarge |
| 02:13.03 | akusarujin | anyone familiar with surround sound in alsa at all.....? |
| 02:13.10 | darkcmd | susp3ct, is this on your desktop machine |
| 02:13.13 | imcode | secher: years of coding on all of those and just making sure my intended audience is what id like it to be |
| 02:13.21 | susp3ct | on server machines and desktop |
| 02:13.29 | eXa_bOy | ive heard someone mention a package that has php and something else in it. |
| 02:13.49 | imcode | open == good, not open == doom |
| 02:14.02 | susp3ct | darkcmd, why do you ask? |
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| 02:14.17 | darkcmd | just curious |
| 02:14.44 | ihateirkenblogs | amen Cairo |
| 02:14.54 | secher | imcode: what |
| 02:14.56 | ihateirkenblogs | glitz pwn ;) |
| 02:15.01 | secher | imcode: what's your last name? |
| 02:15.10 | ihateirkenblogs | amen ? |
| 02:15.26 | eXa_bOy | lol |
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| 02:15.53 | kds | dselect wants to remove hotplug. Anyone noticed that in the last few days. I have an unstable box. |
| 02:16.01 | secher | !nickometer helpme |
| 02:16.01 | dpkg | 'helpme' is 0.000% lame, secher |
| 02:16.04 | toko123 | thanks |
| 02:16.21 | mombof | any yoots using blackbox if so what desktop icon manager do you use |
| 02:16.22 | Eyaw_Nayr | !nickometer Eyaw_Nayr |
| 02:16.22 | helpme | huh? |
| 02:16.24 | secher | imcode: you still with us? |
| 02:16.37 | danl_B | how do you force dpkg to ignore deps and overwrite a lower version of the same package |
| 02:16.43 | ihateirkenblogs | secher; gimmeh your phone number.. ill call you, i promize :) |
| 02:16.53 | secher | imcode: how about the first 2 letters of your last name? |
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| 02:17.05 | Eyaw_Nayr | For some reason my SoundBlaster card isn't working. The card works in Windows and slackware, and KMix picks it up & I can adjust volumes, but no sound comes out and the "Test Sound" button in KControl doesnt work as well, it gives me an error. Any ideas? |
| 02:17.08 | *** part/#debian Xi-Phazor (n=Xi-Phazo@pdpc/supporter/student/XI-Phazor) |
| 02:17.26 | ihateirkenblogs | how about you give your phone number so my wardialler can reach you ? :) |
| 02:17.32 | eXa_bOy | how do i install php5? no packages have it :( |
| 02:17.40 | ihateirkenblogs | otherwise shut the fuck up kid |
| 02:17.46 | ihateirkenblogs | :) |
| 02:18.01 | mombof | Eyaw_Nayr, type lsmod and see if there is module called emu10k is loaded |
| 02:18.07 | kds | eXa_bOy: did you try to find php5 by apt-cache search php5 ? |
| 02:18.10 | secher | ihateirkenblogs: nah, this dope's posing as a developer, and I got the last name of the developer he's saying he is, so I'm trying to put him on the spot... |
| 02:18.23 | eXa_bOy | no im searching on debian.org |
| 02:18.45 | Eyaw_Nayr | mombof: snd_emu10k1 is listed under lsmod |
| 02:18.48 | kds | use apt-cache search php5 instead. |
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| 02:18.53 | eXa_bOy | doing now :) |
| 02:18.57 | ihateirkenblogs | secher: i think he might need something.. if continuate :) |
| 02:18.57 | eXa_bOy | nothing.... |
| 02:19.14 | secher | ihateirkenblogs: what? |
| 02:19.25 | kds | eXa_bOy: wierd. Ok, try dpkg -l php5* |
| 02:19.40 | ihateirkenblogs | a seringe thru mind hehe |
| 02:19.45 | mombof | Eyaw_Nayr, run alsamixer the volume may be turnd all the way down it happens on some distros |
| 02:19.56 | ihateirkenblogs | It Br0ken |
| 02:20.08 | eXa_bOy | kds its returned 7 results |
| 02:20.19 | kds | eXa_bOy: did you get what you want? |
| 02:20.34 | eXa_bOy | well no cause version and description are empty |
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| 02:20.56 | eXa_bOy | un php5 <none> <none> |
| 02:20.56 | peterS | eXa_bOy: php5 is available in experimental only, last I checked. 'dpkg -l php5*' shows other packages that have various relationships with php5, mainly things like 'Depends: php4 | php5' |
| 02:21.00 | kds | eXa_bOy: cuz you don't have it installed |
| 02:21.05 | ihateirkenblogs | Bruce Dickinson - River Of no retval |
| 02:21.10 | peterS | eXa_bOy: that's why it shows up in dpkg -l, I mean |
| 02:21.16 | eXa_bOy | oooh ok |
| 02:21.24 | eXa_bOy | php5 is stable though |
| 02:21.27 | ihateirkenblogs | OOh OOo |
| 02:21.28 | kds | eXa_bOy: it gives you names of packages |
| 02:21.54 | mombof | Eyaw_Nayr, make that alsamixergui |
| 02:21.56 | eXa_bOy | alrighty so to install it i use dpkg |
| 02:22.06 | ihateirkenblogs | caphuso, cairo: greetingz |
| 02:22.08 | kds | eXa_bOy: apt-cache show <packagename> show give you full description for the package |
| 02:22.31 | ihateirkenblogs | Power OF the Sun |
| 02:22.35 | kds | eXa_bOy: use apt to install it, or which ever packaging tool you normally use. |
| 02:22.38 | Eyaw_Nayr | mombof: I did, it was allready turned up all the way |
| 02:23.06 | eXa_bOy | kds, php5 wont show up using apt-cache |
| 02:23.07 | kds | Eyaw_Nayr: everything is unmuted? |
| 02:23.12 | nvz | caphuso: /lastlog elodeon, imcode, ihateirkenblogs |
| 02:23.20 | eXa_bOy | ill install 4 and try adn upgrade |
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| 02:23.28 | kds | eXa_bOy: do apt-get update first |
| 02:23.35 | Eyaw_Nayr | kds: yes, I dont think it is a problem in that category, since when i try to test it through KControl it gives me an error |
| 02:23.38 | peterS | kds: no, this is a situation you are not considering: it's listed by dpkg because other packages have dependency relationships that mention it, but it does not actually exist in his distribution |
| 02:24.03 | slickz | ? |
| 02:24.07 | mombof | Eyaw_Nayr, i am sry then i don't know |
| 02:24.12 | eXa_bOy | i dont have any form of php installed at the moment :) |
| 02:24.22 | slickz | cairo: look at devel gproftpd... you cant set object twice ?.. |
| 02:24.33 | kds | peterS: well, yes that is possible too. I was assuming he has unstable too! |
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| 02:24.40 | Guerin | eew, gproftpd |
| 02:24.41 | slickz | c-24-3-200-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net: hello |
| 02:24.54 | peterS | kds: oh, php5 made it into unstable. last I checked it was only in experimental |
| 02:24.57 | slickz | Guerin: hello |
| 02:25.22 | slickz | Guerin: dont like it ? |
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| 02:25.44 | slickz | Guerin: because its not for windows or SCO ? |
| 02:25.51 | eXa_bOy | ok well ill just stick with 4... then |
| 02:25.58 | slickz | Guerin: :) |
| 02:26.08 | Guerin | slickz: don't like guis for things which should be configured by config file |
| 02:26.13 | mntnpngn | anyone know if breezy 5.10 DVD torrent is available? |
| 02:26.13 | Guerin | don't trust 'em |
| 02:26.16 | slickz | Guerin: met EB2K and we pwn you |
| 02:26.21 | kds | eXa_bOy: 4 should be fine untill you want to use something from 5 specifically |
| 02:26.21 | nvz | Guerin: you are being trolled :P |
| 02:26.26 | Guerin | especially with a config as complicated as proftpd |
| 02:26.27 | slickz | Guerin: rofl |
| 02:26.31 | mntnpngn | opps.. wrong room |
| 02:26.33 | peterS | mntnpngn: surely they would know in #ubuntu |
| 02:26.38 | slickz | Guerin: you know nothing then |
| 02:26.41 | eXa_bOy | i do need something from 5 specifically |
| 02:26.41 | mntnpngn | peterS: sorry.. |
| 02:26.46 | Guerin | slickz: proof |
| 02:26.57 | slickz | Guerin: go away kid |
| 02:27.13 | peterS | slickz: you're not fooling anyone, you know. Guerin has a lot of cred around here, you ... don't |
| 02:27.19 | Guerin | slickz: haha |
| 02:27.26 | Guerin | slickz: wow, that's some strong proof |
| 02:27.48 | Guerin | spreadem: i'd love to see what you could come up with if we REALLY pushed |
| 02:27.57 | spreadem | ok, i give up masters :) |
| 02:28.19 | spreadem | Guerin: why arent you kicked yet ? |
| 02:28.25 | nvz | !ops n=JoHankae@h92n1fls32o823.telia.com is a nick changing troll elodeon aka imcode aka ihateirkenblogs aka see aka enoblog aka slickz aka spreadem |
| 02:28.26 | peterS | spreadem: I told you why |
| 02:28.27 | spreadem | youre tagged |
| 02:28.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: n=JoHankae@h92n1fls32o823.telia.com is a nick changing troll elodeon aka imcode aka ihateirkenblogs aka see aka enoblog aka slickz aka spreadem |
| 02:28.36 | Guerin | spreadem: because i'm not a sunday trolltard |
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| 02:28.49 | Guerin | oh, he's johankae |
| 02:28.53 | Guerin | i see |
| 02:28.55 | peterS | Guerin: ahh, it *is* Sunday in most of the world, isn't it? I totally missed that |
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| 02:29.06 | Guerin | Rez: just ban him. That's the third time, isn't it? |
| 02:29.21 | secher | you guys were right, crazies are out on sundays. |
| 02:29.24 | eXa_bOy | its sunday here... 12:30 ;) |
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| 02:29.41 | Guerin | peterS: heh. Still saturday night there? I guess that means all the americans are all still drunk and high. |
| 02:29.45 | Guerin | !beer Rez |
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| 02:29.50 | kds | peterS: Yes, it is as it is in Asia, which == most ;) |
| 02:30.02 | peterS | Guerin: yes, eastern US gets Sunday in another 90 minutes, I get it in another 150 minutes |
| 02:30.02 | TwistedEmotions | I just got a Blue Cross membership card in the mail... I didnt sign up |
| 02:30.02 | TwistedEmotions | ;P |
| 02:30.05 | eXa_bOy | im in AUS ;) |
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| 02:30.15 | secher | peterS: where are you? |
| 02:30.20 | peterS | secher: central US |
| 02:30.27 | peterS | or, put another way, -0500 |
| 02:30.32 | kds | EDT here. |
| 02:30.38 | Guerin | it's iced tea time in korea |
| 02:30.43 | Guerin | that being 1130 |
| 02:30.47 | secher | OH, I'm an idiot, I was thinking backwards.. nm. |
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| 02:30.50 | peterS | secher: if you need a more precise location, 'host -t loc p12n.org' |
| 02:30.56 | kds | Who was asking for DVD torrent for breezy.......yes they do have it. |
| 02:31.16 | Guerin | peterS: wow, that's cool |
| 02:31.53 | secher | I got an undefined symbol. |
| 02:31.57 | nvz | kds: he left, went to #ubuntu. since its off-topic here |
| 02:32.00 | secher | error |
| 02:32.01 | peterS | Guerin: it was funny. one evening I googled up some detailed maps of my part of town and interpolated as best I could where my long/lat was by measuring the screen, measuring my street (by pacing it off), etc. |
| 02:32.19 | eXa_bOy | peterS ... thatts sad |
| 02:32.21 | peterS | Guerin: I was so proud of myself. then later it occurred to me that any fool with a gps could have gotten the same accuracy with zero effort |
| 02:32.22 | kds | nvz: Ok |
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| 02:32.47 | eXa_bOy | hehehe |
| 02:33.13 | peterS | moral of the story, I need more geek friends IRL. could've borrowed a GPS from one, if I had any |
| 02:33.34 | newbie_at_linux | Can someone help me use Linphone. It is sip software, and I have already registered a sip account. |
| 02:33.35 | eXa_bOy | humans are going to fry themselves with all the waves goign around :P |
| 02:33.41 | nvz | peterS: you have no friends? |
| 02:34.02 | peterS | nvz: none of my friends have gps units, to my knowledge. i.e., I don't have enough geeky ones |
| 02:34.08 | kds | nvz: now thats real extrapolation ;) |
| 02:34.18 | nvz | I know plenty of geeks and none of them have gps |
| 02:34.19 | eXa_bOy | i think peterS is a nice bloke, although i wouldnt concider him a friend :) |
| 02:34.27 | nvz | wtf do you need a gps for. |
| 02:34.40 | kds | nvz: he said "no geek friends" and you labelled him a loner |
| 02:34.43 | peterS | nvz: what do you need *any* modern gadgets for. and yet people buy them |
| 02:34.45 | Guerin | peterS: did your calculations match the gps? |
| 02:34.48 | nvz | thats for like military use when you are in the middle of BFE |
| 02:34.59 | eXa_bOy | so he can pinpoint exactly the long/lat of his server |
| 02:35.03 | Guerin | i'm considering buying a gps for my trip |
| 02:35.11 | secher | !BFE |
| 02:35.11 | dpkg | [bfe] B F-ing Egypt...or like nowhere |
| 02:35.20 | Guerin | but i've decided it'll just be another worthless hunk of electronica to cart around |
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| 02:35.39 | eXa_bOy | nice |
| 02:35.47 | peterS | hmmmm ... several hours of salsa dancing, $10. that's kind of steep, I'm trying to decide whether to go |
| 02:35.51 | peterS | I like the $3 venue Thursday nights, that's more my kind of price |
| 02:36.30 | nvz | I've never seen salsa dance. but it goes pretty well with tortilla chips |
| 02:36.34 | eXa_bOy | how can i see how much space i have on my disk? |
| 02:36.39 | peterS | Guerin: haven't checked with a GPS. however, when someone checked 'host -t loc p12n.org' and looked it up on some map service (might have been maps.google.com) I was given one of those 5-line urls, and it came up with pretty much my exact location |
| 02:36.53 | Guerin | peterS: nice. |
| 02:36.54 | peterS | Guerin: so yeah, I was right |
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| 02:37.37 | secher | damn, host -t loc p12n.org is returning a undefined symbol: isc_net_pton grrr.. |
| 02:37.50 | eXa_bOy | df? |
| 02:37.51 | secher | s/a/an/ |
| 02:37.56 | peterS | Guerin: in other words, you can hire some stalking service in my city to harrass me and they won't even hardly have to look my name up in the phone book to figure out where I live |
| 02:38.17 | kds | guys......deselect wants to remove hotplug for me. Any comments? Or should I just go ahead with it. |
| 02:38.40 | nvz | dselect even? |
| 02:38.42 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:38.52 | eXa_bOy | oooh dear : /devhdb1 -1474808486 1 0 5% |
| 02:38.54 | kds | dselect only ;) |
| 02:39.01 | eXa_bOy | does that mean i only have 5% left? |
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| 02:39.47 | kds | eXa_bOy: check with ~$ df -h |
| 02:39.50 | peterS | the location shown on that map is pretty unambiguous, there are only about 4 or 5 addresses in my apartment complex that could be mine |
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| 02:42.31 | secher | can't make up his mind. |
| 02:42.45 | cheal | hi all, good sunday |
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| 02:43.42 | cheal | I have a problem with my ubuntu machine. it doesn't work anymore. a friend told me this is because I removed /sbin/init (I wanted to clean up stuff). is it OK to remove that file? |
| 02:43.49 | eXa_bOy | kds : /devhdb1 -1510203890149 1.0k 0.0k 5% |
| 02:43.56 | eXa_bOy | kds : /devhdb1 -1510203890149 1.0k 0.0k 5% / |
| 02:44.24 | secher | cheal: you're in #debian |
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| 02:44.41 | EdLin | !tell cheal about ubuntu |
| 02:44.41 | cheal | secher: I know, but ubuntu is based on debian |
| 02:44.48 | EdLin | !based on Debian |
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| 02:44.59 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 02:44.59 | kds | eXa_bOy: on the brink.....delete stuff or performance will suffer |
| 02:45.05 | eXa_bOy | then if ive only used 5% why is mysql saying its out of room? |
| 02:45.12 | secher | cheal: but it's not debian, and I'd venture to say that, no, removing init was not too keen an idea. |
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| 02:46.28 | eXa_bOy | when installing mysql-server : ERROR: There's not enough space in /var/lib/mysql |
| 02:46.37 | kds | eXa_bOy: I thought the other way around .......its only 5% used. It shouldn't complain though |
| 02:46.42 | secher | mail it back to them.. or call thenm and ask them how to install it under linux, like I did with an AOL cd. 5 minutes of pure hilarity. |
| 02:46.54 | cheal | secher: thanks |
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| 02:47.01 | secher | cheal: np. |
| 02:47.12 | kds | eXa_bOy: do you have separate partition for /var |
| 02:47.15 | eXa_bOy | nope |
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| 02:47.18 | eXa_bOy | its all on / |
| 02:47.26 | secher | cheal: sorry if I was overly terse, I"m tired |
| 02:47.29 | eXa_bOy | mind you the disk is only 6Gig |
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| 02:48.08 | cheal | secher: hehehe, I was just making a joke to see if people would react :) |
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| 02:48.26 | cheal | secher: I thought it would be a more explosive reaction :) |
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| 02:48.50 | EdLin | cheal: it isn't like #ubuntu is an empty channel |
| 02:48.53 | secher | cheal: oh. well, I reacted, I guess I'm the dunce. Nah, all of the crazies apparently come out on SUnday. |
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| 02:49.25 | cheal | yeah, I'm just making sure we're ready :) |
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| 02:49.51 | secher | livin on reds, vitamin C and cocaine.... all a friend can say is aint it a shame. |
| 02:49.54 | eXa_bOy | anyone think of a reason mysql server would be whinging about disk space when df says only 5% used? |
| 02:50.09 | cheal | eXa_bOy: what kind of whining? |
| 02:50.12 | newbie_at_linux | Which alsa packages do I need for my mic to work? |
| 02:50.21 | eXa_bOy | when installing mysql-server : ERROR: There's not enough space in /var/lib/mysql |
| 02:50.53 | peterS | newbie_at_linux: just alsa-utils, but you'll also need some luck as not all sound drivers are equal as far as mic support goes |
| 02:50.56 | stew | eXa_bOy: maybe the permissions on /var/lib/mysql are wrong and it can't create files? |
| 02:51.09 | eXa_bOy | er... im in as root |
| 02:51.27 | peterS | yeah but I hope mysqld isn't running as root |
| 02:51.28 | stew | eXa_bOy: mysql doens't run as root though, it drops privileges |
| 02:51.31 | peterS | that would, y'know, be bad |
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| 02:52.11 | eXa_bOy | aaag the directory is owned by mysql |
| 02:52.23 | newbie_at_linux | peter :I had this mic working before in Skype. I just looked in Synaptic and I have alsa-utils installed. |
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| 02:53.00 | stew | newbie_at_linux: run alsamixer and make sure the mic is unmuted |
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| 02:53.09 | peterS | newbie_at_linux: then it's just a matter of having the right alsa driver loaded, the one for your sound chip |
| 02:53.16 | cheal | eXa_bOy: what does $ df /var/lib/mysql/; return? |
| 02:53.24 | eXa_bOy | ive chowned mysql/ and its the same error |
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| 02:54.06 | eXa_bOy | whats the $ for? |
| 02:54.15 | peterS | eXa_bOy: ignore it |
| 02:54.27 | eXa_bOy | it returns same as earlier... |
| 02:54.28 | cheal | eXa_bOy: I'm just indicating it's to be put in shell...as peterS sais |
| 02:54.28 | peterS | it represents your shell prompt |
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| 02:54.35 | eXa_bOy | kds : /devhdb1 -1510203890149 1.0k 0.0k 5% / |
| 02:54.48 | cheal | ur |
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| 02:54.52 | cheal | 0.0k? |
| 02:55.03 | peterS | eXa_bOy: I'm guessing mysqld is confused for the same reason df is confused. most probably your kernel filesystem drivers are confused |
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| 02:55.16 | peterS | eXa_bOy: unmount and fsck -f, if possible, you may need it |
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| 02:55.22 | cheal | whether this is a bad paste or something's wrong |
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| 02:55.40 | peterS | cheal: not a bad paste, he pasted something equally improbable earlier |
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| 02:56.05 | newbie_at_linux | stew : I have alsamixer running in a terminal. What are the keyboard commands for what I need to do? I found Mic and the volume was all the way down. I pushed right key to get to it, and on there it says Mic: off, so how can I turn it on? |
| 02:56.15 | stew | newbie_at_linux: m |
| 02:56.26 | cheal | peterS: yeah I just checked the log |
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| 02:57.03 | xoz | newbie_at_linux: just use arrow keys |
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| 02:57.33 | cheal | shouldn't there still be a "/" after "dev" :? |
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| 02:59.10 | eXa_bOy | peterS : how do i do this unmount and fsck -f ? |
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| 02:59.50 | peterS | eXa_bOy: since your entire system is on a single filesystem you'll probably have to reboot from other media like a live CD |
| 03:00.05 | eXa_bOy | ooh dear |
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| 03:00.44 | secher | I love it.. whenever I play chess, my CPU fan kicks into high gear. |
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| 03:01.25 | secher | could someone please block 202.137.118.118? |
| 03:01.34 | ke6isf | OK, I just bought a new disk, as to replace the existing disk in my server that is running sarge, all current, on a reiserfs partition. While I'm down, I can do this two ways - either just do a fresh netinst on the new disk and apt-get all the packages that were current on the server, and restore my stuff from a backup, or partition the new disk and copy the whole mess over after installing grub on the new disk. What would be more appropriate/e |
| 03:01.34 | ke6isf | asier/whatever? |
| 03:02.17 | secher | I'd just do a clean install to get rid of cruft. |
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| 03:03.33 | ke6isf | secher: Good point, and I have backups of /etc and /home - what else would I have to restore from backup? |
| 03:04.18 | mwilson | "Block" it from...? |
| 03:04.43 | ke6isf | mwilson: I think he means +b the mask. |
| 03:04.57 | eXa_bOy | i might rebuild the machine from scratch |
| 03:05.46 | Gumby | does anyone know if it is possible to increate the keyboards key repeat rate on the command line? |
| 03:06.04 | ke6isf | Gumby: I think that's done in BIOS, actually. |
| 03:06.30 | Gumby | ke6isf: I dont think so. As the key repeat rate has never been this slow before. Only since I installed this distro |
| 03:06.32 | eXa_bOy | should i mount /var on a different partition? |
| 03:06.48 | mwilson | Gumby: xset in X, setterm in console, I imagine. |
| 03:07.07 | beaufils | apt-get update ; apt-cache search doc-rfc -> not found (I have non-free in sources.list). Any idea why ? |
| 03:07.07 | Gumby | mwilson: will have a look thx |
| 03:07.18 | ke6isf | !iyhtays eXa_bOy |
| 03:07.20 | dpkg | eXa_bOy: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 03:08.08 | Gumby | mwilson: dont see any option for key repeat time there |
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| 03:08.24 | eXa_bOy | ke6isf.. do you know why im asking that> |
| 03:08.27 | mwilson | Gumby: "there" being...? |
| 03:08.35 | Gumby | man setterm |
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| 03:08.48 | starscalling | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.24 | ke6isf | !ops starscalling spamming |
| 03:09.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: starscalling spamming |
| 03:09.32 | ultraviolet16 | when apt has suggested packages and recommended packages, what is the difference? |
| 03:09.49 | ifup | hello I got a question about the sources.list for apt. Can I add non-free on the same line as main? |
| 03:09.55 | ke6isf | ifup: Yes. |
| 03:10.07 | ke6isf | ifup: Add 'contrib' if you do. |
| 03:10.07 | ifup | ke6isf, Thanks |
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| 03:10.16 | mwilson | ultraviolet16: Just as the documentation says. |
| 03:10.48 | ultraviolet16 | mwilson: the doc for apt |
| 03:10.48 | ultraviolet16 | ? |
| 03:10.50 | ifup | I man'd it but was not sure Thanks again. |
| 03:11.34 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: Near as I can tell, it's owing to that you are rebuilding a box. If you're just going to put /var on a new partition, just go for it, there's no point in waffling about it. |
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| 03:13.10 | mrpickles444 | FUCK |
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| 03:14.00 | mwilson | eXa_bOy: If you need to be given a reason to put /var on its own partition, then you have no reason to do it. |
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| 03:14.19 | mwilson | eXa_bOy: If it needed to be done, you would know why and wouldn't need to ask. |
| 03:14.34 | [bman] | how can I swap caps and control for the terminal rather then just one program? |
| 03:14.43 | beaufils | how can I install a package from sid on a sarge box ? |
| 03:15.06 | mwilson | beaufils: You don't. |
| 03:15.06 | cheal | !tell beaufils about ssm |
| 03:15.26 | Silent1 | if i only put my ps2 mouse in after my computer booted, will debian see the mouse or must i reboot? I forgot to plug the ps2 mouse in and now xfree86 won't start, "failed to initialize core devices". |
| 03:15.27 | [bman] | beaufils: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
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| 03:16.17 | pluto | ho |
| 03:16.18 | mwilson | Silent1: Depends on the motherboard. Sometimes that works, sometimes you just blow up the motherboard. |
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| 03:16.53 | Silent1 | mwilson: this is an old ass 266mhz machine. I'm guessing i'm going to have to reboot. |
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| 03:17.20 | mwilson | I have no idea what the age of the machine would have to do with it. |
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| 03:17.53 | ranjeeth_ | what is the chipset used by intel 195GAV motherboard for dpms configuration |
| 03:17.55 | brian___ | can somebody help me? Im writing a bash script. How do I take a file that has two colums and swap them? |
| 03:18.27 | mwilson | ranjeeth_: None, of course. |
| 03:19.50 | pluto | good question |
| 03:20.48 | mwilson | brian___: Homeqork assignment, or a test? |
| 03:21.22 | brian___ | homework |
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| 03:24.26 | brian___ | can you help me? |
| 03:24.38 | mwilson | Not I... I never do people's homework for them. |
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| 03:25.37 | brian___ | ummm, im not asking you to do it, im asking you for help |
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| 03:31.32 | cheal | Warning : networking newbie. does inetd have some way to log? I'm under the impression that swat's line in my /etc/inetd.conf is ignored, since nmap-ing myself won't mention port 901 (after restarting inetd). I'm trying to get access to swat on etch. |
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| 03:32.28 | cheal | arg...wait a minute :/ |
| 03:33.25 | cheal | nevermind |
| 03:34.13 | cheal | oh yeah it's working |
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| 03:35.19 | mick_home | any sourceforge devs in here? |
| 03:35.37 | cheal | mick_home: most likely |
| 03:35.48 | mick_home | when i login over ssh, i see all my projects when i do "groups" |
| 03:35.53 | mick_home | except for one |
| 03:35.58 | mick_home | how can that be? |
| 03:36.53 | mick_home | i need to change something on the site for the project but, I'm not in the group (oddly enough) |
| 03:37.08 | mick_home | even though i'm listed as a developer :-/ |
| 03:37.25 | newbie_at_linux | I just installed Opera. Now I can't run it. It isn't in the menu. CHRIS:/tmp# opera |
| 03:37.25 | newbie_at_linux | opera: cannot connect to X server |
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| 03:39.54 | stew | newbie_at_linux: don't run opera as root |
| 03:40.09 | SimonRaven | oh gawds no |
| 03:40.18 | SimonRaven | bad idea |
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| 03:40.56 | dpower | exir |
| 03:41.01 | dpower | exit |
| 03:41.49 | SimonRaven | one thing newbies don't seem to realise is that: yes, root has a lot of power, and a lot of responsibility, but also you should limit contact of root (sometimes to the point of none at all) to what a normal user can do |
| 03:42.07 | SimonRaven | hopefully they will |
| 03:42.14 | SimonRaven | (most do ;) |
| 03:42.16 | Elly | or you could just set a random root password to remove temptation :) |
| 03:42.52 | [bman] | I figured out how to swap my control and caps-lock keys. if your interested.. check out /etc/console-tools/remap. I added `s/keycode 97 = Control/keycode 97 = Caps_Lock/;` and `s/keycode 29 = Control/keycode 29 = Caps_Lock/;` now of to play with emacs with style :) |
| 03:43.00 | SimonRaven | no, it's up to the person to regulate themselves, not have some external thing do it for them. i.e., personal responsibility |
| 03:43.16 | Elly | SimonRaven, setting a random root password is self-regulation :D |
| 03:43.33 | Elly | haha |
| 03:43.38 | Elly | imagine running Opera as root |
| 03:43.45 | Elly | and having a buffer overflow hit you |
| 03:44.04 | SimonRaven | hmm, i see your point, but that would be a part of it, not the only means |
| 03:44.08 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 03:44.10 | peterS | now that would be the Sturm und Drang form of Opera |
| 03:44.25 | SimonRaven | *groan* |
| 03:44.39 | kevogod | I have never had a buffer overflow with Opera. |
| 03:44.54 | wickedpuppy | which is the version after sarge ? etch ? |
| 03:45.00 | peterS | kevogod: yeah you did, when you visited my site. I covered my tracks so you wouldn't realise I'm root on your box |
| 03:45.07 | SimonRaven | Elly: not saying that's what you were saying, to just trying to make our point |
| 03:45.12 | peterS | wickedpuppy: etch isn't released yet |
| 03:45.15 | Gumby | mwilson: FYI its kbdrate to change key repeat rate etc. |
| 03:45.17 | kevogod | peterS, I have root disabled. Sorry! |
| 03:45.41 | Elly | uhh |
| 03:45.42 | Gumby | root disabled? |
| 03:45.43 | Elly | if he installed a rootkit |
| 03:45.44 | Gumby | lol |
| 03:45.48 | Elly | you could 'disable' root all you liked |
| 03:45.52 | peterS | kevogod: it's ok, running opera as root would have made my life easier, but there are always local exploits one can try for once one has a login on your box |
| 03:46.38 | kevogod | peterS, Oh yea? Show me a local exploit then. |
| 03:46.38 | peterS | heh, less -S +F is even better |
| 03:46.46 | peterS | (-S meaning chop long lines so you only see one line on your screen) |
| 03:46.48 | SimonRaven | exactly like tail -f, but you can search and scroll |
| 03:47.02 | kevogod | peterS, I will give you 30 minutes to hack me. |
| 03:47.12 | SimonRaven | oh, i wouldn't want that for what i use it for |
| 03:47.18 | peterS | kevogod: and if I don't, that'll really prove you've got a secure box, won't it? |
| 03:47.27 | stew | wickedpuppy: yes |
| 03:47.30 | Elly | lol |
| 03:47.34 | stew | damn lag |
| 03:47.36 | kevogod | peterS, Yup, pretty much. |
| 03:47.42 | Elly | no, kevogod |
| 03:47.57 | kevogod | Yup, if peterS can't hack my box, then it is the most secure. |
| 03:47.57 | peterS | kevogod: just like if an airplane flies without crashing, the FAA should certify it without any further tests? |
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| 03:48.03 | Elly | it'll prove that in thirty minutes, a not-very-dedicated adversary can't get in |
| 03:48.09 | wickedpuppy | stew, after etch is sid ... which is the unstable version right ? |
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| 03:48.13 | SimonRaven | oh goddie, now that the libs are fixed, TLS is working. i have it so that if TLS fails, nothing happens |
| 03:48.17 | SimonRaven | goodie* |
| 03:48.24 | Elly | the NSA doesn't certify crypto systems by having their top guy look at them for a few minutes |
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| 03:48.39 | SimonRaven | Elly: exactly |
| 03:48.49 | peterS | Elly: though in some cases that's all it takes to decide *not* to certify something (: |
| 03:49.02 | Elly | yeah |
| 03:49.07 | Elly | you can tell if something's NOT secure easily |
| 03:49.18 | peterS | well, sometimes. when the coders are true morons |
| 03:49.19 | kevogod | So unless you are certified secure, you are not actually secure? |
| 03:49.20 | newbie_at_linux | can someone give me help opera encountered a problem during plug in setup. plugins will not work properly. check your installation. could not start plug in executable 'operamotifwrapper'. /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/operamotifwrapper-3 please install Motif. plugin path (path can be modified in preferences dialog) |
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| 03:49.24 | Elly | if he does get in, your box is insecure; if not, it's not necessarily secure |
| 03:49.25 | welson | anyone knows how i can tell what charset my filesystem (Ext3) may be using -- my language is set to en_US |
| 03:49.29 | Elly | there's no such thing as 'certified secure' |
| 03:49.34 | Elly | all code has bugs |
| 03:49.39 | SimonRaven | i've had attempts at GETting /etc/passwd and shadow through apache, and shit like that. so far i've been successful |
| 03:49.47 | cheal | newbie_at_linux: this is not an opera support channel |
| 03:49.50 | kevogod | Sure, you just said the NSA certifies crypto algorithms. |
| 03:49.52 | Elly | SimonRaven, that's just noise |
| 03:50.01 | Elly | kevogod, an algorithm ne a system |
| 03:50.13 | kevogod | Yes, but the crypto is the basis of security. |
| 03:50.18 | SimonRaven | uh, no |
| 03:50.19 | Elly | and when they certify them, they say: "There are no obvious bugs that we see here, so it's okay to use." |
| 03:50.28 | peterS | welson: the filesystem doesn't care, it just records filenames as strings of bytes |
| 03:50.28 | welson | Elly, it can, depending on context |
| 03:50.31 | Elly | they DON'T say "This is unbreakable." |
| 03:50.40 | newbie_at_linux | theres not an opera channel |
| 03:50.46 | kevogod | Opera is not open source. |
| 03:50.49 | peterS | welson: so how the filenames are encoded depends on what application wrote them and what *it* thought it was encoding |
| 03:50.49 | Elly | kevogod, crypto is notthe be-all and end-all of security. |
| 03:50.50 | SimonRaven | kevogod: the ?weakest link? is the admin(s). the basis of security is the people involved in implementing it |
| 03:50.52 | kevogod | irc.opera.com |
| 03:51.00 | SimonRaven | s/?/"/ |
| 03:51.06 | welson | peterS, I need this for samba... i apparently have accent-egus (french) letters in filenames that aren't showing up properly in the smb clients |
| 03:51.10 | kevogod | I am just provoking you guys. |
| 03:51.18 | Elly | welson: use '?' for them |
| 03:51.21 | peterS | welson: it'll either be iso-8859-1 or iso-8859-15 or utf-8, you decide |
| 03:51.22 | Elly | kevogod, we know, but it's funny |
| 03:51.29 | welson | peterrooney, ok |
| 03:51.35 | welson | peterS, ok |
| 03:51.49 | peterS | welson: samba supports all of those, just try them and see which is correct. note that iso-8859-1 and iso-8859-15 are very nearly identical, if one works the other will also work |
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| 03:52.06 | peterS | welson: except that iso-8859-15 includes a few more useful characters such as the euro sign and the oe / OE ligatures |
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| 03:53.13 | SimonRaven | Elly: (re: apache and passwd/shadow) yeh you're probably right. |
| 03:53.18 | welson | kevogod, they've gone free, but they're still closed .. just the ad-free, youpii |
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| 03:53.47 | kevogod | welson, And is this contrary to what I said? |
| 03:54.03 | peterS | welson: depends on how you define 'free'. if that includes the freedom to modify the code (for example, to remove the ad displays), opera will probably never be free |
| 03:54.06 | welson | kevogod, no, but he's probably confusing free being open-source.. |
| 03:54.19 | dabaR | Hi. I would like to know how to add a bash script to boot time. I think I should add it to the /etc/init.d directory. Is there anything else, or something different I should do? |
| 03:54.25 | peterS | welson: what freedom do I have, if not the freedom to modify the code? that's pretty fundamental |
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| 03:54.39 | welson | peterS, heh heh, of course :) |
| 03:54.41 | Elly | it's probably automated |
| 03:54.50 | kevogod | They should coin the term "Freedomware" |
| 03:55.14 | peterS | kevogod: would that be the US euphemism for software produced in France, like CATIA? |
| 03:55.24 | kevogod | lol |
| 03:57.18 | newbie_at_linux | ive never seen more errors in my life untill i ran linux |
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| 03:57.41 | dabaR | errors help you learn. |
| 03:57.58 | nvz | newbie_at_linux: you just never knew what one looked like until now |
| 03:58.04 | peterS | newbie_at_linux: right, you don't get to *see* error logs in some other OSes |
| 03:58.14 | nvz | commercial software is in the business of masking problems |
| 03:58.19 | peterS | unless you run applets like "Event Viewer" |
| 03:58.29 | nvz | which is useless |
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| 03:58.46 | nvz | event viewer doesnt really show much of anything worth readin |
| 03:58.57 | sime | whats a simple chm viewer in debian (possibly gtk based) |
| 03:59.06 | peterS | nvz: yeah, windows programs don't typically have very useful error log entries |
| 03:59.23 | peterS | sime: use 'apt-cache search' - I believe there is one available somewhere but I misremember what it might be |
| 03:59.57 | peterS | hmm, 'apt-cache search chm viewer' turns up 4 likely results |
| 04:00.06 | peterS | and a couple of false positives |
| 04:00.28 | nvz | peterS: thats because the user and techs are too dumb to know what they mean, and even if they did they couldnt do anything about it. Windows programs arent designed to be configured or to work. they are desined to be hard-configured to suck more than the competition |
| 04:00.37 | dabaR | sime: xchm is the only one I know of. |
| 04:01.08 | sime | sucking gnochm down now |
| 04:02.04 | peterS | the name 'gnochm' sure looks like it needs more vowels. it would be perfectly pronounceable in Italian with vowels at the beginning and end and one after the h |
| 04:02.07 | nvz | peterS: http://www.sapientum.com/TuXperience.jpg |
| 04:03.21 | peterS | nvz: the construction of the beak makes it unlikely that penguins are able to suck very well at all |
| 04:03.26 | peterS | nvz: in other words they probably suck at sucking |
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| 04:04.03 | nvz | peterS: thats why linus choose the penguin. its incapable of sucking. windows on the other hand suck in air naturally |
| 04:04.11 | Garda | guys, how do you mount a container that you want to use as a swap file |
| 04:04.30 | peterS | Garda: you don't, you just 'mkswap' the device and then 'swapon' it |
| 04:04.37 | nvz | Garda: you dont mount swap |
| 04:04.50 | Garda | i want to use a swap file, not a partition |
| 04:04.53 | peterS | Garda: or, instead of 'swapon /dev/whatever', you just put "/dev/whatever none swap defaults 0 0" in /etc/fstab |
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| 04:05.12 | peterS | Garda: oh - create the swap file of the right size however you want, then 'mkswap' it just as though it were a partition |
| 04:05.41 | peterS | Garda: as for 'of the right size', the easiest way to do that is 'dd </dev/zero >your_file bs=1M size=number_of_megs' |
| 04:05.46 | Garda | then do i just go swapon /var/swapfile ? |
| 04:05.54 | cheal | how come only 327 lurkers on the channel? |
| 04:06.23 | zinx | cheal: because of some network issues a day or two ago |
| 04:06.25 | peterS | cheal: server problems kicked everyone off the other day, some people haven't looked at their idling irc clients since then and noticed they weren't in #debian |
| 04:07.03 | peterS | Garda: yes, swapon as usual. or put a line in /etc/fstab as usual |
| 04:07.25 | Garda | thanks. |
| 04:07.30 | peterS | Garda: in other words there's no special trick to it, the swap system treats files exactly like devices, as far as the user interface is concerned |
| 04:07.34 | cheal | hehe, I was making sure that there were really that many inactive people usually |
| 04:07.42 | peterS | (that is, the files must already exist and be the appropriate size) |
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| 04:07.52 | cheal | what would it be without the spambots |
| 04:08.07 | peterS | cheal: about N-5. there aren't a lot of spambots at a time |
| 04:08.08 | ke6isf | cheal: Pleasantly quiet. =^_^= |
| 04:08.49 | cheal | peterS: oh, yeah, I guess their joins and quits just overrepresent them |
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| 04:09.01 | peterS | cheal: yeah. they join, get a list of users, then part, then start /msging people |
| 04:09.13 | SimonRaven | or try to ;) |
| 04:09.25 | peterS | cheal: that's an adaptation since last year. last year they stayed connected to the channel, but that made it easy to track and kill them |
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| 04:09.37 | peterS | they evolve, freenode evolves |
| 04:09.54 | Guerin | mouse / mousetrap |
| 04:10.01 | peterS | cheal: sooner or later either the spambots or freenode will evolve to self-awareness |
| 04:10.05 | SimonRaven | like harmful bacteria and white blood cells |
| 04:10.15 | Guerin | or idiots and computer systems |
| 04:10.26 | Guerin | just to bring this back on topic :) |
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| 04:10.37 | ke6isf | Guerin: Not really, because computer systems kinda *create* idiots. |
| 04:10.45 | Diesel_Fuel | hey guys, gotta quesiton |
| 04:10.46 | peterS | ke6isf: and vice versa (: |
| 04:10.47 | Diesel_Fuel | can anyone help me out? |
| 04:10.53 | Guerin | ke6isf: ah, now you're talking about chicken and egg |
| 04:10.59 | ke6isf | Diesel_Fuel: No, because you have yet to ask the question. |
| 04:11.15 | Diesel_Fuel | I have an ATI radeon 9200, and am having problems getting the drivers installed |
| 04:11.16 | Guerin | so it's mouseicken and eggtrap? |
| 04:11.27 | Diesel_Fuel | should it natively work with debian or do i really need those drivers |
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| 04:12.07 | peterS | Diesel_Fuel: it'll run. it may or may not have any 3D acceleration |
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| 04:12.24 | susp3ct | Diesel_Fuel, all you need to know how to install the drivers. If you already havent been to this site --> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 04:12.37 | Diesel_Fuel | yeah i've looked at that |
| 04:12.44 | Diesel_Fuel | but i've been having some trouble getting it installed |
| 04:12.55 | susp3ct | Diesel_Fuel, that site is the bomb, and has never failed for me |
| 04:12.58 | Diesel_Fuel | should i do that after i get my base system going, or before |
| 04:13.12 | dakishi | greetings good people, i am having problems getting xorg, i tried google but i dont see a package for debian anyone could help me get this package, thank you |
| 04:13.26 | cheal | dakishi: which release do you run? |
| 04:13.31 | ke6isf | !xorg |
| 04:13.31 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg> |
| 04:13.35 | peterS | Diesel_Fuel: fyi, debian testing (etch) includes x.org 6.8.2, so you can check the x.org web site to see what their radeon 3D support status might have been at that point |
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| 04:13.41 | dakishi | cheal: debian sarge 3.1 |
| 04:13.44 | Diesel_Fuel | ok |
| 04:13.49 | Diesel_Fuel | thakns guys, i'll keep working at it |
| 04:13.51 | Diesel_Fuel | cya later |
| 04:13.53 | cheal | dakishi: X.org is not in sarge |
| 04:13.55 | grendal_prime | whats a good console command to get processor speed? |
| 04:14.00 | peterS | Diesel_Fuel: also, there's no need to get drivers all installed before the base system is up and running. you can *always* do it later |
| 04:14.11 | cheal | grendal_prime: cat...cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 04:14.13 | grendal_prime | i just what to know the name of the proc..you know pent2 or amd |
| 04:14.23 | dakishi | cheal, but a debian books recommend xorg cause it is a little way more advance than xfree and i wish to ge tit |
| 04:14.34 | peterS | grendal_prime: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:14.39 | Whitman | grendal_prime cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:14.44 | Whitman | heh. |
| 04:14.51 | cheal | dakishi: a debian book recommends that :? |
| 04:15.09 | grendal_prime | cool thanks guys |
| 04:15.10 | EdLin | dakishi: xorg is at present almost identical to xfree, with the exception of new drivers |
| 04:15.19 | cheal | peterS: what do you mean by "self-awareness"? |
| 04:15.34 | dakishi | cheal: well it was some hand maded by a mate, and he knows a lot about linux =) |
| 04:15.39 | peterS | cheal: nobody really knows what self-awareness is. but basically the ability to think |
| 04:15.46 | grendal_prime | is there something similar for memory installed? |
| 04:15.47 | EdLin | dakishi: I find that hard to believe that a book on Debian says that considering that the latest stable release has xfree86. |
| 04:15.50 | dakishi | EdLin: thats why i want to get xorg |
| 04:15.52 | peterS | cheal: to "know that you exist" |
| 04:16.11 | cheal | peterS: ah, OK :) so spamming creates intelligence? :) |
| 04:16.16 | EdLin | dakishi: a lot of xorg drivers were backported to Debian's xfree86 |
| 04:16.22 | dakishi | EdLin: it said that debian is concidering changing to xorg cause some reasons i didnt read |
| 04:16.38 | peterS | cheal: I'm just saying, freenode and the spambots will continue to evolve. if they continue long enough, one or the other will become an AI |
| 04:16.47 | cheal | dakishi: debian already changed to X.org |
| 04:17.13 | EdLin | dakishi: well, that will be the case when etch is released - which is in December '06 |
| 04:17.14 | dakishi | oh i see..., so i do own this pacjage already_ |
| 04:17.24 | grendal_prime | xorg works fine.. |
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| 04:17.45 | grendal_prime | its faster too...not by bucketloads but it works fine |
| 04:17.52 | peterS | !etch pool |
| 04:17.53 | dpkg | from memory, etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 04:18.10 | cheal | peterS: wow. or you on drugs, or do you just consider current computer micro-AI-s? :) |
| 04:18.16 | cheal | s/or/are |
| 04:18.34 | peterS | cheal: nah, nobody is there yet. but spambots and the freenode network will eventually reach it |
| 04:18.54 | grendal_prime | cheal, is there some sort of console command to get hardware memory installed as well? |
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| 04:18.59 | EdLin | peterS: according to debian-devel-announce the schedule is Dec. '06, which means probably that it definitely won't be released early - because that would be ahead of schedule and it's pretty safe to say that won't happen. :-) |
| 04:19.06 | cheal | peterS: hum |
| 04:19.19 | peterS | cheal: also, you might be taking one throwaway comment a *little* more seriously than it was intended |
| 04:19.19 | cheal | grendal_prime: cat...cat /proc/meminfo :) |
| 04:19.27 | EdLin | s/scheduled/scheduled release date/ |
| 04:19.31 | grendal_prime | wow...thats cool |
| 04:19.34 | dakishi | i am sorry if i am going to make a not important request but can how can i get the message of "It wont work", i fount it really funny and wanna show it to my Comates =) |
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| 04:19.41 | peterS | grendal_prime: yeah, lots of interesting things in /proc |
| 04:19.41 | cheal | grendal_prime: maybe $ free; will be useful too |
| 04:19.43 | grendal_prime | i think i see a pattern here |
| 04:20.04 | EdLin | dakishi: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 04:20.15 | peterS | grendal_prime: though if you want to see a list of PCI devices, it's easier and more reliable to say 'lspci' than 'cat /proc/pci' |
| 04:20.31 | dakishi | sigh oh well thanks for =) trying EdLin |
| 04:20.39 | grendal_prime | thanks guys..i got these machines...there cashregisters and i have some new antiquated equipment im thinking about replacing them with..but neede to see if it was even worth it |
| 04:20.57 | grendal_prime | i couldnt remember what they were to begin with hehehe and i didnt want to drive down there |
| 04:21.03 | cheal | peterS: OK. I ask because I'm not natively English-speaking and supposing that a statement is humor from start may be insulting :) |
| 04:21.19 | cheal | peterS: thanks for answering to all my questions ;) |
| 04:21.37 | peterS | cheal: well, yeah, it was humor (: |
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| 04:24.46 | simy | how do you get an old laptop with debian (i did an install and couldnt regonize the driver, the pcmcia card works with the 8139too or 8139cp driver... but this other laptop didnt see it during boot, and when i selected it, it didnt do anything eigther,.... any ideas? |
| 04:26.17 | grendal_prime | simy what the hell are you talking about? |
| 04:26.26 | nvz | seriously |
| 04:26.34 | grendal_prime | i dont think you compleated a single thought there |
| 04:26.45 | simy | yeah, sorry |
| 04:26.48 | nvz | E: EOL reached while searching for ')' |
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| 04:26.58 | dabaR | heh |
| 04:26.59 | nvz | not to mention the other errors thrown |
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| 04:27.09 | dabaR | ya, never compiles. |
| 04:27.11 | cheal | I'm still parsing that blurb too |
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| 04:27.32 | dabaR | something about how to get those drivers on debian to work... |
| 04:27.52 | grendal_prime | i thought my coff surip was stronger than it was supposed to be..hehehehe seriously |
| 04:27.57 | nvz | dpkg, any ideas? |
| 04:27.58 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little vegemite, and a handful of three-legged oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 04:28.12 | simy | uhm, i got distracted and tryed to recover.... i did a debian install on this laptop (440CDX) and it didnt detect the pcmcia 10/100 network card. Its now a very basic base system, how can i get it to try to use the pcmcia card, i know that this card uses the 8139cp or 8139too driver ( i havnt noticed a diffrence using one over the other on any other computers...) any ideas? |
| 04:28.31 | nvz | hmm I hope he isnt going to screw three-legged oxen full of vegemite |
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| 04:28.40 | grendal_prime | dude...i have bronchitus...and i have this codine coffsurip im taking i just took some and when i saw that post i read it twice thinking..."man this shit is strong for coff syrip" |
| 04:29.16 | nvz | coffin? |
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| 04:29.18 | peterS | simy: one has to wonder if your "old laptop" has 32-bit PCMCIA support at all. at the hardware level I mean. |
| 04:30.01 | simy | i saw somthing 16bit or pcic or somthing like that (so 16 bit i guess, ill google it, i didnt know it matters, this card has just usually worked for me out of the box so to speak.... |
| 04:30.03 | peterS | simy: and if so, whether your cardbus (32-bit pcmcia) driver is loaded. should be called 'yenta' or similar |
| 04:30.06 | grendal_prime | sorry nvz im loaded i cant help myself |
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| 04:30.23 | peterS | simy: does 'lspci' show your realtek network card? does it show your cardbus bridge? |
| 04:30.43 | newbie_at_linux | How come when I call someones sip number, there sip software is not ringing and I just get that person's voice mail? |
| 04:31.13 | grendal_prime | newbie_at_linux, they dont like you and are not answering? |
| 04:31.16 | peterS | simy: 32-bit pcmcia is also known as 'cardbus'. for use in your googling |
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| 04:31.28 | simy | peterS : just got done rebooting... (was looking in bios for an on off option) |
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| 04:31.43 | newbie_at_linux | grendal_prime: no, its not ringing on her computer |
| 04:31.58 | simy | yeah it was off.... i feel like an idiot, but who the heck adds an off option for pcmcia's in their bios? |
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| 04:32.21 | peterS | simy: hahaha. hope it works now |
| 04:32.28 | grendal_prime | ya...thats the first thing i tell those pesky chics that keep calling me to..."sorry..phone is just not rining..you must have the wrong number" |
| 04:32.35 | nvz | reminds me of that stupid joke... There is this funeral and they are carrying the deceased out to the hurse to be taken to the graveyard and the first guy trips and causes them to drop the casket and it goes sliding down the steps and into the drugstore across the street and it hits the counter and the casket pops open and the stiff sits up .. yeah its stupid :P |
| 04:32.36 | simy | peterS ill know in a few, this laptop is too slow for me, lol |
| 04:32.41 | peterS | heh |
| 04:33.10 | simy | its for a buddy he just wants to be able to use gaim, mozilla and hopefully gtk-gnutella |
| 04:33.15 | nvz | got anything to stop this coffin? heh |
| 04:33.16 | simy | mostly gaim tho |
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| 04:33.27 | peterS | nvz: ha |
| 04:33.41 | case | hello #debian! |
| 04:33.45 | simy | on to the next topic, where can i find an in depth tutorial of all the kernel options? or what would be a good search term? |
| 04:34.01 | simy | i think most of my problem is i dont understand or know most of the terms:( |
| 04:34.06 | nvz | simy: kernel.org |
| 04:34.08 | grendal_prime | umm fknhuge.com? |
| 04:34.11 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 04:34.24 | nvz | simy: the kernel source comes with Documentation/ go figure |
| 04:34.25 | peterS | simy: what, for compiling your own? that's quite an undertaking, and should not really be necessary |
| 04:34.38 | case | Hi - I'm still having problems with my apt-get |
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| 04:34.49 | grendal_prime | hey leave the geek to his dreams damn it |
| 04:35.06 | HllywdW | does anyone know if kde 3.4 is available for debian? |
| 04:35.14 | nvz | these fucking electric heaters scare the shit out of me |
| 04:35.15 | cheal | HllywdW: yes |
| 04:35.18 | grendal_prime | I think its a wonderfull idea. compiling |
| 04:35.20 | peterS | HllywdW: 'apt-cache search kdelibs4' |
| 04:35.22 | simy | peterS : my dell needs support for the fan, cpu thermal... etc... (it overheats, i found a site that says you should modprobe fan etc... and if that dosnt work (and i couldnt get that to work) you need to rebuild your kernel |
| 04:35.23 | cheal | !tell HllywdW about kde3.4 |
| 04:35.25 | case | i used netselect-apt to find the fastest mirror and it wrote it's sources.list |
| 04:35.40 | peterS | HllywdW: I mean 'apt-cache show kdelibs4', or go to http://packages.debian.org/kdelibs4 |
| 04:36.07 | freazer | I recently bought new hardware. I have Windows XP freshly installed on hda1. I have a Debian Linux installation from the old hardware on hdb1. My MBR was apparently on hda1 and I wiped it. I've booted into KNOPPIX Live to try to reinstate LILO, and I read the man pages and came up with a lilo.conf that might work, but I'm getting a read-only boot record error. I'm assuming that's because of the boot cd. So I tried to chroot, but |
| 04:36.10 | case | I'm just not sure how to copy it over to /etc/apt/ |
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| 04:36.36 | peterS | case: same way you copy any file to any location. the cp command. |
| 04:36.56 | case | sorry cp command is new to me |
| 04:37.10 | peterS | cp /your/source/file/sources.list /etc/apt/ |
| 04:37.12 | freazer | I'm currently in WinXP using NTLDR to boot. I've tried the dd if=/dev/hdb1 to pull the boot record from the Linux partition, but I just got gibberish. I'm assuming my Linux was never configured to be bootable without LILO on hda1 |
| 04:37.36 | case | would I need to su cp /your etc? |
| 04:37.51 | peterS | case: /etc/apt/sources.list can only be changed by root, so yes |
| 04:37.59 | case | thank you guys |
| 04:38.00 | HllywdW | have you guys heard of the yakuake theme for debian? |
| 04:38.26 | peterS | no |
| 04:38.35 | peterS | apparently it's not *in* debian |
| 04:39.25 | freazer | So after replacing motherboard&CPU, should I just do a fresh install of debian and wipe my existing, or should I try to recover and recompile? |
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| 04:39.48 | peterS | freazer: recompile? recompile what? just boot a Debian kernel |
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| 04:40.15 | peterS | freazer: if you compiled your own kernel and didn't leave any debian kernels on your system ... now you know why you should have (: |
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| 04:40.32 | AM|R | hi.. my ibook installed with debian PPC.. but only with one cd.. how can i installed kde , xwindows with apt?.. what is the sutaible package fot me to apt-get? need help |
| 04:40.34 | nvz | freazer: your mbr for lilo is probably still where it always was. sounds to me like you took hda out of one machine and put it as hdb into another |
| 04:40.39 | HllywdW | I hate the way my kde looks and I'm so lost when going through kde-look.org |
| 04:41.03 | nvz | freazer: tell your BIOS do boot D drive and it will probably work |
| 04:41.07 | peterS | AM|R: there exist packages named 'x-window-system-core' and 'kde' which are probably what you're looking for |
| 04:41.30 | cheal | HllywdW: ask #debian-kde |
| 04:41.43 | HllywdW | thanks cheal |
| 04:41.49 | peterS | that, or drop kde entirely (: |
| 04:42.02 | AM|R | peterS: just apt the package rite? |
| 04:42.12 | xoz | !dict rite |
| 04:42.14 | dpkg | Dictionary 'rite' (1 of 2): He looked with indifference on rites, names, and forms of ecclesiastical polity. --Macaulay.. |
| 04:42.21 | peterS | AM|R: those two packages, 'x-window-system-core' and 'kde' |
| 04:42.38 | peterS | AM|R: they don't contain anything on their own, but they will pull in as dependencies all the stuff you probably need |
| 04:42.46 | HllywdW | do you guys know how to make a ghost image of your current debian system? |
| 04:42.51 | AM|R | ok i see that |
| 04:42.59 | AM|R | :P |
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| 04:43.26 | peterS | HllywdW: ghost is not free software so most of us don't know how to use it |
| 04:43.44 | nvz | HllywdW: with norton? |
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| 04:45.36 | freazer | My MBR was on my hda1=WinXP partition, and I formatted it thinking I could re-LILO easily. My hdb1 hasn't moved. I tried to dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/tmp/debian.img and setup NTLDR's boot.ini to boot to debian.img. Text of junk. Does that indicate the second HD won't boot from bios? |
| 04:45.43 | dakishi | hello smart people, i wish i could be as smart as you guys but i am not -_-, can you guys help me splves this as i can see i am missing some library or i am not sure but could you guys help me resolve this Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 04:45.43 | dakishi | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 04:46.14 | peterS | freazer: I think you're a little confused on the concepts involved here |
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| 04:46.41 | freazer | And sorry to mislead you nvz, I moved from a 32bit to a 64bit processor and a friend of mine seemed to indicate all I would have to do is "recompile." And yes I am confused |
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| 04:46.43 | peterS | freazer: your MBR is not /dev/hda1 but /dev/hda, and it occupies somewhat less than 512 bytes total, so if you do 'dd' without specifying limits, you'll get a pretty huge file (the whole disk in fact) |
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| 04:47.31 | dabaR | dakishi: you should give context, what you are trying to do, and what command gave you that error. |
| 04:47.34 | peterS | freazer: oh, if you moved from i386 to amd64, you have two options. one, you can install just a 64-bit kernel and let the rest of your system stay the same, or two, you can reinstall the whole system as a 64-bit system |
| 04:47.47 | peterS | freazer: the second option will give you a faster system but I don't know if you'll actually notice the difference |
| 04:47.55 | peterS | freazer: and the first option is a great deal simpler |
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| 04:48.57 | freazer | Ah, so that little typo may have caused me to copy part of the HD and not the bootable area. |
| 04:48.59 | case | seesh why is apt-get still refusing to connect to 1.0.0.0? |
| 04:49.18 | case | whoops I mean it's still trying to connect to 1.0.0.0 |
| 04:49.23 | peterS | freazer: well there are multiple possibilities for "bootable area" here |
| 04:49.40 | dakishi | oh okey sorry for my mistake, look i recently installed debian on my box and the first thing i tried to do by apt is apt-get install xchat, the package just finished and installed, and when i tried to invoke it by it name xchat this error message appears |
| 04:50.08 | case | I took a SS of what my source.file looks like |
| 04:50.10 | dakishi | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 04:50.10 | dakishi | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 04:50.11 | dakishi | (xchat:2736): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 04:50.14 | case | http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/4145/sourcelist0ps.png |
| 04:50.52 | xoz | dakishi: running through su? are you in X? |
| 04:51.00 | case | all I get is 403 forbidden or connection timed out |
| 04:52.13 | dakishi | xoz: yes i am su, and yes i am in x, xfree86 |
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| 04:52.38 | xoz | dakishi: run xchat as ordinary user |
| 04:53.05 | case | also when my cd binary1 is selected as apt source it still will not find the packages |
| 04:53.07 | dakishi | xoz, ohh sorry for the silly questions guys just didnt realized that you couldnt run program as root -_- |
| 04:53.16 | freazer | peterS: can you recommend any books or resources to acquire a closer level to your knowledge, or is it all just tinkering experience? |
| 04:53.16 | xoz | su to root has no access to your display |
| 04:53.17 | peterS | freazer: your BIOS loads the first 512 bytes of /dev/hda, which then execute. that's your MBR. it normally contains either LILO, or code to boot the first 512 bytes of /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2, or whatever |
| 04:53.29 | case | I updated to the latest apt-get package and it still errors |
| 04:53.32 | xoz | dakishi: you can... you have to allow root access to your display |
| 04:53.49 | peterS | freazer: the MS-DOS standard boot loader, for example, sits in /dev/hda and loads the first 512 bytes of whichever partition is marked 'bootable' in the partition table - then hands control over to that |
| 04:53.56 | dakishi | xoz, well they say it is not recommended to use root as a normal user =) |
| 04:54.05 | concept10 | How do I configure my server to run lightppd and apache2 at the same time. I know I need to specify different ports, whats next? |
| 04:54.12 | peterS | freazer: so if you have the msdos bootloader in /dev/hda and lilo in /dev/hda1, your *real* boot code will be in /dev/hda1 - or in both, if you choose to look at it that way |
| 04:54.13 | dakishi | so ill play clean and stay with rules =) |
| 04:54.37 | case | please can someone help out I've been struggling with this for days |
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| 04:54.54 | peterS | freazer: likewise, NTLDR lives on the partition corresponding to drive C of your Windows install - /dev/hda chain-boots that. |
| 04:55.10 | case | I have to download individual packages and dpkg -i all of them |
| 04:55.12 | dakishi | can anyone recommend me a good instant messanger program, beside kopete and amsn_ |
| 04:55.13 | dakishi | ? |
| 04:55.22 | xoz | dakishi: gnomemeeting |
| 04:55.23 | freazer | I see. In reviewing the doc I wrote myself to run that command, I definately copied the wrong device. I'll try a couple of things, including telling the BIOS to boot to the second drive as you suggested. |
| 04:55.24 | case | my dependencies are all knackered |
| 04:55.29 | cheal | dakishi: for which protocols? |
| 04:55.30 | peterS | freazer: then the boot sector portion of NTLDR reads the filesystem and executes NTLDR.COM from that. |
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| 04:56.04 | peterS | ...which reads C:\BOOT.INI and decides what to do from there |
| 04:56.43 | dakishi | cheal: i a dont understand well for protocols, but i think ehhh hotmail__ |
| 04:56.45 | dakishi | ??? |
| 04:56.54 | freazer | You're right, it doesn't make sense for Linux to have written LILO to my NTFS partition |
| 04:57.13 | cheal | dakishi: hotmail isn't a protocol. MSN would be one. Jabber would be another, and IRC yet another. |
| 04:57.19 | xoz | dakishi: or gaim |
| 04:57.49 | dakishi | cheal, oh Okey, sorry for my noobiesh =(, MSN would be |
| 04:58.21 | xoz | dakishi: gaim supports several protocols including yahoo, lycos, ... |
| 04:58.25 | dakishi | xoz: i dont like anything related to gnome, got kde all i want must be kde to evade errors or incompatibilities =) |
| 04:58.32 | cheal | dakishi: so you're looking for a client that can only support MSN to run in KDE? |
| 04:58.41 | freazer | Thank you peterS for your patience and all the information! Have a great evening everyone. |
| 04:58.45 | xoz | dakishi: apt-cache search messenger |
| 04:59.05 | dakishi | cheal, well i want a complete one dont really care the protocol, only that kinda like MSN of windows =) |
| 04:59.05 | peterS | freazer: did you get the idea here? btw, lilo installs the 512 bytes of its boot code to wherever you specify with 'boot=' in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 04:59.13 | dakishi | it got multiples functions |
| 04:59.24 | peterS | freazer: so that's normally 'boot=/dev/hda' but it could be 'boot=/dev/hda1' or even, I think, 'boot=/outputfile' |
| 04:59.26 | cheal | dakishi: MSN Messenger only supports MSN |
| 04:59.57 | dakishi | cheal, yeah but it got webcam, nudge, mmm, the F2 thingie button, it is really user friendly |
| 05:00.00 | cheal | !msn client |
| 05:00.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, msn client is a program to access the MSN instant messaging network. Examples for Linux include Gaim, Kmerlin, ccmsn and everybuddy. |
| 05:00.01 | peterS | freazer: and yeah, it's a bad idea to tell lilo to overwrite the beginning of a FAT or NTFS partition. Linux partitions are designed for this, FAT / NTFS ones are not |
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| 05:00.18 | freazer | I understand it a lot better now, peterS. I've got plenty of ammunition to try now to recover my install. Thanks again! |
| 05:00.24 | peterS | have fun, dude |
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| 05:00.28 | dakishi | thx dpkg ill try Gaim =) |
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| 05:00.36 | Exposure | doesn't the debian install files include a text editor? |
| 05:00.39 | nvz | well since I managed to leave my TI-83 Plus at this girls house when I moved out I am in need of a new progammable portable computer preferably cheap, and with a RTC would be nice /me goes online shopping |
| 05:00.43 | cheal | dakishi: it's only friendly to Windows users. it's hard to support proprietary protocols in free software |
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| 05:01.40 | nvz | peterS: if you decide against it you can always dcc me some. though it probably wouldnt make it through the firewall |
| 05:02.18 | case | since we are talking about IM software which xchat binary do I want from there sit |
| 05:02.20 | case | e? |
| 05:02.23 | peterS | nvz: yeah, I'm not sure, depends what netfilter modules you've got loaded. ip_cheese and ip_crust are needed, at minimum |
| 05:02.32 | nvz | I am guessing I need another calculator.. since I probably cant find any real handhelds that do what I need cheaper than one of those. |
| 05:02.44 | nvz | peterS: :P |
| 05:02.53 | peterS | case: just the debian 'xchat' package ought to work |
| 05:03.14 | case | thats the thing I can't find a .deb package |
| 05:03.38 | peterS | case: http://packages.debian.org/xchat shows it |
| 05:03.55 | case | sorry I was going through the xchat site |
| 05:04.15 | Daveman | :P |
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| 05:06.18 | nvz | I wonder if the Palm PCs are easily programmable. I had a Palm III I think it was someone threw away but it died on me.. which is probably why they threw it out. It didnt have any onboard Development tools but I am guessing you could program software on a PC |
| 05:07.17 | nvz | I would prefer something with devtools on it so I can program it and modify the programs on the fly. ability to compile things externally for better performance is always nice too |
| 05:08.43 | nvz | thes palms are way cheaper even than the TI-83 I had :P which did have built in BASIC development as well as ability to upload ASM code the problem being not much memory and not Timer or RTC |
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| 05:14.03 | cheal | dpkg: no, msn client is an IM client that supports the .NET Messenger Service. try amsn (Tk, limited to MSN), Gaim (GTK, multi-protocol) or Kopete (KDE, multi-protocol). All Jabber clients can communicate with .NET Messenger Service using an MSN transport. |
| 05:14.03 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
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| 05:14.52 | Dakishi | great program (Gaim) it is so aswsome =) |
| 05:15.48 | case | can anyone help with my apt-get problem? |
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| 05:16.00 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 05:16.30 | RoundQube | i have a kernel image installed as my kernel and im looking for resoures on how to get vpn setup for my work on here, can anyone point me to any resources? |
| 05:16.43 | peterS | Dakishi: apparently the code is a royal mess though, multiple projects have sprung up over the years seeking to replace it |
| 05:16.45 | RoundQube | the resources i've come across have patches for kernels etc.. but my kernel isn't built from source |
| 05:17.11 | case | even with a working network and a good source.file |
| 05:17.12 | peterS | Dakishi: the up-and-coming one is called telepathy, which is kind of a funny name, I wonder if they'll have serious code |
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| 05:17.35 | cheal | RoundQube: what the hell is that kernel? |
| 05:17.44 | cheal | !msn messenger |
| 05:17.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, msn messenger is ask me about messenging for more info on messenger clients |
| 05:17.45 | Dakishi | peterS, lol =) |
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| 05:17.50 | RoundQube | cheal: kernel 2.6.12 |
| 05:17.56 | nvz | hmm I should have never went to palm.com now i am wondering if I should continue with my idea to spend around $100 on getting something to just meet my current needs or get something more advanced and spend a lot more money |
| 05:17.57 | peterS | case: please describe your apt problem. I thought you solved the last one |
| 05:18.14 | peterS | nvz: that's always the question, isn't it? |
| 05:18.26 | Dakishi | where file do i have to modify so i can add more URL for downloading package from apt-get?? |
| 05:18.33 | rafx | do I really need to install pentium-builder if all i want to do is build a single package for i686 using dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 05:18.33 | Dakishi | where = what* |
| 05:18.35 | peterS | Dakishi: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:18.44 | Dakishi | thanks peterS |
| 05:18.47 | cheal | dpkg: no, msn messenger is an official client for .NET Messenger Service. Comes with several features, usually including spam, but unfortunately only available on Windoze. |
| 05:18.47 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
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| 05:18.59 | peterS | Dakishi: but what packages do you need that debian does not already provide? whoever provides these pacakges should explain about sources.list |
| 05:19.40 | cheal | rafx: pentium-builder is only an optimizer |
| 05:19.45 | Dakishi | peterS, trying to get xorg wich i asked dpkg how to get it and it sent me to a page wich i obtained the URL to get it by apt =) |
| 05:19.50 | newbie_at_linux | chris@ubuntu:~/install/source tarballs/warzone2100-0.2.2.tar.bz2_FILES/warzone2100-0.2.2$ auto-apt run ./configure |
| 05:19.51 | newbie_at_linux | Entering auto-apt mode: ./configure |
| 05:19.51 | newbie_at_linux | Exit the command to leave auto-apt mode. |
| 05:19.53 | newbie_at_linux | configure: error: |
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| 05:19.58 | cheal | shrug |
| 05:20.05 | nvz | peterS: yeah. I just want to make a schedule program to monitor production at work and make my job way easier than it already is. I need a programmable device. and I dont want to rely on the Win2kPro machines at work. I also dont want to try coding a windows app. last time I programmed MS crap MicrosoftQuickbasic was still a popular development tool :P |
| 05:20.29 | SimonRaven | *sigh* |
| 05:20.38 | nvz | peterS: looking at the lastes T|X handheld with Wifi, Office-To-Go and web capabilities got me drooling |
| 05:20.50 | RoundQube | cheal the vpn server needs MPPE support in the kernel and i've only seen patches for the kernel to support it. How do I go about getting it setup for my kernel image? or am I left with compiling a custom kernel for this need? |
| 05:21.03 | peterS | ha |
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| 05:22.15 | SimonRaven | !msn messenger =~ s/unfortunately/fortunately/ |
| 05:22.15 | dpkg | OK, SimonRaven |
| 05:22.24 | rafx | cheal: basically, i downloaded Lighttpd which conveniently has a /debian directory and using dpkg-buildpackage worked great for i386 package. all i want to do is build one for i686 so I can run benchmarks later and have had no luck other than finding pentium-builder. surely there must be a less kludgy way to specify i686 |
| 05:22.47 | nvz | its _only_ $299 which is about $199 more than I want to spend and $249 more than I probaly need to spend to accomplish my task |
| 05:22.49 | cheal | RoundQube: ah, I thought you wanted a VPN client |
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| 05:23.15 | SimonRaven | thought i should correct the 'typo' |
| 05:23.26 | RoundQube | cheal: i do need a vpn client as well, but i first require that my kernel has MPPE support in the kernel |
| 05:23.28 | cheal | SimonRaven: it was a sarcastic typo :) |
| 05:23.29 | nvz | if it had a built in IRC client I would have it in the mail already :P |
| 05:23.34 | peterS | also, who can tell me what "neslēgtais gredzens" means? |
| 05:23.54 | cheal | RoundQube: I can't figure out how a kernel wouldn't be built from source |
| 05:23.55 | nvz | my client ate up the chars so I cant even see what that says |
| 05:24.07 | mlaks | how cant if it safe to do an apt-get dist-upgrade on sid? |
| 05:24.19 | peterS | nvz: the non-ascii character was a macron that goes over the e |
| 05:24.20 | Dakishi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.29 | Dakishi | opps, sorry my bad |
| 05:24.29 | SimonRaven | cheal: was clear enough ;) |
| 05:24.33 | RoundQube | cheal: doesn't the kernel-image-* packages just have the binary kernel image's downloaded and put in proper directories? |
| 05:24.36 | SimonRaven | cheal: wasn't* |
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| 05:24.46 | cheal | rafx: I don't know |
| 05:24.51 | cheal | SimonRaven: allright :) |
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| 05:25.59 | cheal | RoundQube: yes...that doesn't mean they're less built from sources |
| 05:26.05 | SimonRaven | months* |
| 05:26.17 | pacman | will querybts ever get fixed? |
| 05:26.18 | cheal | mlaks: your question's syntax looks wrong |
| 05:26.31 | RoundQube | cheal: so you are confident i have MPPE support in my kernel that i apt-get installed? |
| 05:26.38 | SimonRaven | pacman: works ok here. didn't for a while, but got fixed |
| 05:26.50 | mlaks | i guess i mean apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 05:27.09 | cheal | RoundQube: not at all |
| 05:27.28 | SimonRaven | on 2 arches, too |
| 05:27.48 | RoundQube | cheal: so im left with compiling from source again? |
| 05:28.48 | mlaks | i guess i would like to check if sid is relatively "stable" in terms of libc upgrades and etc |
| 05:28.55 | cheal | RoundQube: if your kernel is missing something and want to make a new kernel that has it, you have to compile it...make kernel=compile kernel |
| 05:29.13 | Guerin | mlaks: it's not, at all. |
| 05:29.18 | cheal | mlaks: are you using sid? |
| 05:29.42 | mlaks | for about a year but havent upgraded since sarge-etch |
| 05:30.37 | Guerin | mlaks: new major libc upgrade a month or so ago, gcc4 transition, which means all-new c++ packages, new X server ... lots og major changes. |
| 05:30.46 | mlaks | i am somewhat proficient (i support 15 debian systems) but have been reluctatnt to upgrade untill the dust settles |
| 05:31.11 | Guerin | mlaks: the dust never settles on sid |
| 05:31.18 | mlaks | chcuckle |
| 05:31.27 | Guerin | mlaks: now is probably as good a time as any, just be prepared to fix shit. |
| 05:31.42 | mlaks | i am spoiled as things were very smooth as we got ready for sarge |
| 05:31.56 | Guerin | mlaks: yes. After sarge it all went to hell in a handbasket |
| 05:32.09 | mlaks | ok i have not yet done the xorg transititon yet |
| 05:32.16 | Guerin | and it's still more or less there |
| 05:32.38 | mlaks | i moved over to kde3.4 on two machines |
| 05:32.41 | peterS | Guerin: the dust did settle on sid shortly before sarge came out. we couldn't make really *big* changes to sid because of the possibility of having to still migrate stuff into sarge |
| 05:33.04 | TwistedPBook | bahh... on the UP side... sid is NEVER dusty ;) |
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| 05:33.36 | mlaks | i am trying to get marillat packages on my laptop so that motivates my upgrade |
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| 05:33.53 | peterS | TwistedPBook: well, bits of it are. I can think of one package I'm partially responsible for which is quite out of date in sid |
| 05:34.24 | peterS | TwistedPBook: we ship 1.19.6, whereas 1.20.1 exists. I'll let you guess the package. the code hasn't changed all *that* much but OTOH, 1.20 came out years ago |
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| 05:35.29 | TwistedPBook | peterS: I don't have the SLIGHTEST idea what package that is... ;) apt upgrade is in charge of all that |
| 05:35.49 | peterS | TwistedPBook: if you have it on your system you can figure it out with 'dpkg -l | grep 1.19.6' probably |
| 05:36.17 | peterS | TwistedPBook: and you do have it on your system, at least one of the binary packages that is built from this thing |
| 05:37.03 | tyranix | libgpmg1? |
| 05:37.05 | TwistedPBook | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.07 | TwistedPBook | ahh |
| 05:37.10 | TwistedPBook | I got beat ;P |
| 05:37.16 | peterS | TwistedPBook: which is built from the source package gpm. yeah, that's us. |
| 05:37.18 | tyranix | yay what do I win? |
| 05:37.27 | peterS | hmmm. let's ask dpkg. |
| 05:37.30 | peterS | !win tyranix |
| 05:37.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, tyranix! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 05:37.42 | tyranix | What I always wanted! |
| 05:37.45 | TwistedPBook | Weeeee! I tyranix can I borrow one? |
| 05:37.46 | dakishi_ | lol |
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| 05:38.05 | peterS | TwistedPBook: run it on your twisted pbook |
| 05:38.10 | TwistedPBook | peterS: you your the reason my mouse didnt WORK :P |
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| 05:38.30 | peterS | TwistedPBook: yes. can I help you? |
| 05:38.47 | TwistedPBook | peterS: nothing... kidding.. I lub you ;) |
| 05:38.50 | peterS | (: |
| 05:39.41 | TwistedPBook | peterS: wait... does that control trackpad thingy too? like for PowerBook mouses? |
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| 05:40.15 | peterS | TwistedPBook: I don't know how trackpads are wired on powerbooks. but probably. |
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| 05:40.23 | nvz | doesnt seem like the palm is what I want. no development software that I can see runs on it, and I cant find any info about how to program software for them externally either |
| 05:40.24 | peterS | TwistedPBook: I assume they use either ADB or USB? |
| 05:40.49 | peterS | TwistedPBook: if so, it's just a matter of loading the correct kernel modules and pointing gpm to /dev/input/mice |
| 05:41.14 | TwistedPBook | peterS: well it's been fixed... just took hella days... hahaha |
| 05:41.35 | TwistedPBook | peterS: deadcat was the one who fixed it finally.. I dont even remember the problem. |
| 05:41.41 | nvz | well they have a pook Programming Visual Basic for Palm OS eew |
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| 05:41.57 | nvz | I dont want anything I need windows for, thats for sure |
| 05:41.58 | peterS | TwistedPBook: ah, too bad I didn't see your question right away - as you can imagine I've become pretty good at debian mouse problems (: |
| 05:42.01 | TwistedPBook | nvz: they probably have a book too. |
| 05:42.16 | nvz | TwistedPBook: :P |
| 05:42.25 | TwistedPBook | peterS: hahaha.. took us like a week to figure it out.... |
| 05:42.53 | peterS | maybe they have a pooka |
| 05:43.04 | peterS | as in a traditional irish animal spirit |
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| 05:43.25 | peterS | made famous by the play "Harvey" |
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| 05:44.24 | TwistedPBook | I dont think nvz is happy with us.. |
| 05:44.29 | Dakishi | sorry, but could you tell me again what was the file to modify the apt source URL, i wrong wrote it down and now i am needing please help =) |
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| 05:44.44 | TwistedPBook | Dakishi: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:44.50 | Dakishi | thank you |
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| 05:45.02 | TwistedPBook | ;) I't took me like 30 times to get it.. |
| 05:45.29 | Dakishi | lol =) |
| 05:45.38 | nvz | point me in the right direction for a cheap PDA/Calculator whatever that has built in development BASIC, anything. just want to be able to code custom solutions to problems on the fly wherever I go :P |
| 05:45.43 | Dakishi | i hope it diesnt take that much to me =) |
| 05:45.45 | nvz | I will be happy then |
| 05:45.50 | Dakishi | doesnt* |
| 05:46.02 | TwistedPBook | nvz: Ti-83 is good.. |
| 05:46.36 | TwistedPBook | !tell caphuso about away |
| 05:46.43 | nvz | TwistedPBook: thats what I had. and it works, but for one thing I left it at Cara's when I moved out.. and for another it doesnt have a timer or RTC and my current project would really prefer one. |
| 05:47.14 | nvz | They are $100 or more new, and if I am buying new, I might as well get something with more memory and a RTC |
| 05:47.42 | TwistedPBook | nvz: true... errr... brand and all that doesnt matter right? |
| 05:48.00 | TwistedPBook | nvz: there are 100's of generic brands out there... pick up some cheap one.. |
| 05:48.06 | Dakishi | i already got the src page and the apt-get files modified, to the one i got from <dpkg> xorg sarge, already ran apt-get update, and how do i install xorg now?? |
| 05:48.23 | nvz | TwistedPBook: nope I just dont want to spend $299 for a toy. the Palm T|X had me drooling with its big color screen and WIFI and everything.. but it does everything BUT what I need |
| 05:48.51 | TwistedPBook | Dakishi: apt-get install xorg-common... |
| 05:48.56 | Dakishi | i made command apt-get install (xorg, x.org, x, org) and it seems to do not do the trick |
| 05:49.03 | TwistedPBook | what else is need? |
| 05:49.08 | samuel | sup all |
| 05:49.21 | TwistedPBook | Dakishi: apt-cache search xorg (or whatever your looking for) |
| 05:49.26 | Dakishi | TwistedPBook, you are a God messenger =) |
| 05:49.27 | nvz | there several Palm models m105, m125..etc that are easily found around that price or even less than $50 refurbished. they just dont have what I am looking for |
| 05:49.33 | samuel | anyone know if divx 5 is supported with the libdivxdecore library? |
| 05:49.43 | Dakishi | the xorg program =) like xfree86 but i want xorg |
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| 05:50.09 | EdLin | Dakishi: apt-get install x-window-system-core mywm myxterm |
| 05:50.18 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: what up baby (= |
| 05:50.22 | TwistedPBook | Dakishi: ^^^^ his command is better |
| 05:50.41 | EdLin | Dakishi: assuming that you've got the backport repositories that replace xfree with xorg |
| 05:50.42 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: What up !~~~~ |
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| 05:50.49 | nvz | If I had to I can deal with programming on a PC. I just dont want to have to use Windows and windows programming languages to do so. I would rather have a shitty subset of BASIC like the TI I had then that. |
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| 05:51.08 | peterS | TwistedPBook: reminds me of a halloween costume I saw advertised the other day. you wear this big box that looks like a wrapped gift, and it has this tag that says To: women, From: God |
| 05:51.09 | samuel | i installed the libdivxdecore library, is there anything i need to do to get totem-xine to use it? |
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| 05:51.17 | Dakishi | EdLin, eeh =( i dont know if i got back repositories i dont think so |
| 05:51.22 | EdLin | nvz: bwbasic |
| 05:51.24 | Dakishi | backup* |
| 05:51.25 | n3x | Anyone here know mucg about IRCD-Hybrid |
| 05:51.29 | TwistedPBook | peterS: hahahaha |
| 05:51.36 | nvz | EdLin: whats a bwbasic? |
| 05:51.39 | EdLin | nvz: don't tell anyone that I recommended BASIC |
| 05:51.48 | poonj | hey guys...I was wondering how I can get my eject button on my cdrom to work after I insert a CD. right now, the CD is automounted, but when I push the eject button, nothing comes out. It only ejects when I umount the drive in gnome |
| 05:51.51 | deadcat | oh man. the usc vs nd game was good (= |
| 05:51.51 | EdLin | nvz: apt-cache show bwbasic would answer that |
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| 05:51.53 | peterS | nvz: 'bywater basic' is in Debian |
| 05:51.57 | poonj | is it possible to get my cdrom eject button to work again? |
| 05:51.59 | TwistedPBook | nvz: dude... just get a retarded ass laptop and then just format with debian and go ;) |
| 05:52.15 | TwistedPBook | poonj: eject |
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| 05:52.26 | TwistedPBook | poonj: you scare me... you run gwfund? |
| 05:52.28 | peterS | TwistedPBook: that would require a really big shirt pocket |
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| 05:52.35 | nvz | I am not looking for a BASIC interpreter I am looking for hardware :P |
| 05:52.38 | EdLin | Dakishi: did you add aditional repositories in order to get xorg? If so, they are repositories of xorg backported from etch or sid. |
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| 05:52.41 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: you see him in school? (= |
| 05:52.46 | nvz | TwistedPBook: I despise laptops |
| 05:52.55 | poonj | TwistedPBook: not anymore |
| 05:52.59 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: see who in school? |
| 05:53.03 | deadcat | him |
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| 05:53.07 | TwistedPBook | him who? |
| 05:53.09 | nvz | TwistedPBook: I've owned many of them and destroyed them all in less than a year its a waste |
| 05:53.21 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: poonj, isnt he at the same school? |
| 05:53.34 | nvz | my first laptop was a Mac with like a 30mb hd. and I kept it wrapped in bath towels inside its carrying case |
| 05:53.47 | TwistedPBook | poonj: ;P Just kidding... just funny you setup server and dont know 'eject' command ;) |
| 05:54.02 | nvz | It lasted long enough for me to sell it for twice what I payed for it |
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| 05:54.03 | Dakishi | EdLin, i asked dpkg how to get xorg, and it told me a web page from i got 2 src URL to add in apt, so i added it up and runned apt-get install xserver-xorg, thats all i did |
| 05:54.03 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: ohh no ;) too big of a school.. you never see people you know. |
| 05:54.07 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: hahah |
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| 05:54.16 | TwistedPBook | poonj: How are classes? |
| 05:54.31 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: haha. can setup iptables and shit but can eject the cdrom hehe |
| 05:54.35 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: seriously... I mean not on accident anywaays... unless your the same major. |
| 05:54.37 | EdLin | Dakishi: well, then the answer to my question is "yes" |
| 05:54.55 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: you have to admit that the iptables files was impressive |
| 05:54.57 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: true. and sometimes you pump into people you dont want to see |
| 05:55.04 | Dakishi | EdLin, well i really didnt knew what you were asking sorry for my noobish i will try to not do it again |
| 05:55.20 | EdLin | Dakishi: you need to install more than the server though if you're not running a thin client. Try installing x-window-system-core and the xterm and window manager of your choice. |
| 05:55.33 | n3x | Anyone here know much about IRCD-Hybrid |
| 05:55.33 | cheal | samuel: what do you expect xine to do with that? |
| 05:56.08 | cheal | !tell n3x about anyone |
| 05:56.09 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: did you install fink on your osx? |
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| 05:56.18 | Dakishi | EdLin, already got x system core, ill download xterm or i think i already got the package, command to know if i already got xterm? or the other one? |
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| 05:56.28 | samuel | cheal, play video? |
| 05:56.32 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: wtf is fink.. |
| 05:56.38 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: fink you buddy |
| 05:56.45 | cheal | samuel: totem doesn't need that package to play video |
| 05:56.51 | n3x | Havign issue with Hybrid IRCD, it doesnt start, it doesnt leave any log either (have read README, INSTALL and README.FIRST) |
| 05:56.59 | peterS | TwistedPBook: fink is a package manager for OS X derived from Debian's apt |
| 05:57.05 | deadcat | hehe |
| 05:57.17 | EdLin | Dakishi: x-window-system-core doesn't include an x terminal emulator or a window manager, you need to install those too - or just plain KDE or GNOME which have both along with a lot of other things. |
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| 05:57.35 | TwistedPBook | peterS: ohhhh... |
| 05:57.42 | peterS | TwistedPBook: of course, as you might expect, people confuse the package manager with the site containing all the free software compiled for *use* with the package manager, so 'fink' also has come to mean 'everything you can download via fink' |
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| 05:58.06 | Dakishi | EdLin, i got KDE 3.3.2 installed with KDM, so you think it will be enough with that or should i download more package_ |
| 05:58.09 | Dakishi | ? |
| 05:58.16 | TwistedPBook | dude... screw osx.. only use it when I want to do something hella quick... at home.. like now... if I am on lappy I run debian :) |
| 05:58.19 | EdLin | Dakishi: that should be fine |
| 05:58.32 | samuel | cheal, i checked with the file command an episode of red dwarf i downloaded and it told me divx 5 video, but i cant play it in either totem, mplayer, or vlc... so im not sure how to play it... |
| 05:58.41 | peterS | TwistedPBook: heh |
| 05:58.51 | poonj | its not the eject command |
| 05:58.57 | poonj | the eject button is disabled |
| 05:58.58 | Dakishi | EdLin, thank for sharing your time by helping with my problems i reallyt appreciate it =) |
| 05:59.01 | TwistedPBook | It's preety.. but that's the ONLY good thing about it.. |
| 05:59.05 | poonj | I have to enter something in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 05:59.06 | EdLin | Dakishi: yw |
| 05:59.41 | TwistedPBook | poonj: sudo eject or umount cdrom then eject... should work... |
| 05:59.56 | poonj | no |
| 06:00.02 | poonj | I mean when I push the button on the cdrom |
| 06:00.06 | peterS | poonj: the eject button can be enabled or disabled from software, but normally it is only disabled when you've got a filesystem mounted from the CD |
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| 06:00.20 | cheal | samuel: AFAIK totem-xine should be able to play it |
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| 06:00.27 | TwistedPBook | poonj: paper clip? |
| 06:00.32 | poonj | peterS, when you say software.../etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 06:00.33 | peterS | poonj: if you run software such as gnome-volume-manager which automatically mounts any CD you put in, then the eject button will be disabled any time you have a data CD in, I suppose |
| 06:00.46 | RoundQube | if i apt-get install a kernel image (say 2.6.12), where is the source/config kept? |
| 06:00.47 | samuel | cheal, thx anyways |
| 06:00.58 | poonj | peterS, okay..so I gotta get rid of automount? |
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| 06:01.13 | peterS | poonj: something like that. I'm unclear on the details of gnome-volume-manager and its ilk, since I don't run any of them |
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| 06:02.11 | cheal | RoundQube: Debian kernel-image-* packages don't include kernel source |
| 06:02.21 | cheal | config is kept in /boot |
| 06:02.24 | RoundQube | cheal: sorry, i found the config in /boot/ |
| 06:02.55 | RoundQube | cheal: i patched the 2.6.13 kernel using /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/mppe and it succeeded, now im going to try to build a deb package with make-kpkg |
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| 06:03.12 | case | hello again I'm still need some assistance with my apt-get problem |
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| 06:03.31 | peterS | case: last time you said that you still didn't describe your apt problem |
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| 06:03.41 | TwistedPBook | !tell case about justask |
| 06:03.48 | TwistedPBook | !tell case about ask |
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| 06:03.57 | case | sorry |
| 06:04.07 | TwistedPBook | I though it was justask ;P |
| 06:04.21 | cheal | RoundQube: that looks ok if you can't use 2.6.12 |
| 06:04.40 | TwistedPBook | case: all good ;) just explain |
| 06:04.43 | peterS | case: basically we aren't mind-readers so we don't already know what your problem is. and we aren't going to tease it out of you, it's up to you to ask the question |
| 06:05.07 | case | I set up my sources.list from netselect-apt and even though I can ping the servers I'm trying to update from apt-get I still can't connect |
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| 06:05.28 | TwistedPBook | peterS: funny.. becausse I do remember you like teasing things out of me ;) |
| 06:05.34 | Drakh_ | when you type apt-get install package what error do you get |
| 06:05.37 | RoundQube | cheal: i can't and now the patch looked successful when manually running it, i did a make menuconfig to add MPPE support as [M] but now when i run make-kpkg --added-patches mppe --append-to-version -mppe kernel_image, it spits out that mppe failed |
| 06:05.53 | peterS | TwistedPBook: I wouldn't have done so if you hadn't started with enough information to give me some idea what your question was, though |
| 06:06.19 | TwistedPBook | peterS: that was a sex joke.. |
| 06:06.33 | case | hang on I have to email my self the outpu because of the limited connectivity |
| 06:06.37 | peterS | case: what do you mean "can't connect"? what errors does 'apt-get update' give? |
| 06:06.48 | cheal | RoundQube: no idea |
| 06:06.49 | TwistedPBook | read what I wrote again.. ^^^^ |
| 06:06.59 | n3x | Havign issue with Hybrid IRCD, it doesnt start, it doesnt leave any log either (have read README, INSTALL and README.FIRST) |
| 06:07.09 | n3x | ANy help? |
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| 06:07.34 | dakishi | how can i cancel, an active apt-get download? |
| 06:07.44 | Drakh_ | ctrl-c ? |
| 06:07.46 | RoundQube | dakishi: ctrl-C |
| 06:07.50 | TwistedPBook | case: explain in detail what the problem with the apt is... and what connectivity problems you seem to be having |
| 06:07.52 | dakishi | thank you |
| 06:07.53 | peterS | n3x: I can't help you, probably, but you can start by saying *which* hybrid package you're using |
| 06:08.25 | n3x | peterS: IRCH Hybrid 7.1.3 |
| 06:08.28 | n3x | D |
| 06:08.40 | peterS | n3x: there are two versions of hybrid in debian, ircd-hybrid and oftc-hybrid, see |
| 06:08.53 | n3x | peterS using the source |
| 06:09.00 | TwistedPBook | n3x: any terminal output when you run it? |
| 06:09.04 | n3x | NMope |
| 06:09.06 | n3x | Nope |
| 06:09.08 | n3x | just |
| 06:09.10 | peterS | n3x: oh, if you aren't using debian packages, I'm pretty sure nobody here can help you |
| 06:09.12 | n3x | STarted and the PID |
| 06:09.23 | n3x | but its not actually started |
| 06:09.34 | TwistedPBook | n3x: why dont you just use package? |
| 06:09.44 | peterS | n3x: clearly you had some reason the debian packages aren't similar enough to the source code you wanted, so therefore it follows they probably aren't similar enough for us to be able to help you either |
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| 06:09.46 | Shorty` | fuck I hate samba |
| 06:09.58 | case | Basically when I apt-get update it resolves the IP to 1.0.0.0 |
| 06:09.59 | n3x | TwistedPBook i prefer do do things by hand, i only use packages for system things |
| 06:09.59 | Drakh_ | Shorty` samba does not hate you |
| 06:10.09 | n3x | Shorty` hey fag |
| 06:10.11 | Shorty` | it just randomly stops working :/ |
| 06:10.15 | Shorty` | stupid peice of shit |
| 06:10.22 | Drakh_ | the debian system works better if you use the stable packages |
| 06:10.23 | peterS | case: do other apps do the same thing? you said ping works...? |
| 06:10.26 | case | when I cp the exact name and ping it it resolves fine |
| 06:10.36 | case | and pings it fine |
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| 06:10.44 | Shorty` | n3x, where'd you see those job things? |
| 06:10.45 | case | mozilla works fine |
| 06:10.48 | n3x | seek |
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| 06:10.53 | Shorty` | url? |
| 06:10.53 | n3x | it.seek |
| 06:10.54 | samba | I hate you all |
| 06:10.55 | case | xchat doesn't connect |
| 06:10.58 | Drakh_ | Shorty` are you using a newer buggy version |
| 06:11.00 | n3x | in Desktop support |
| 06:11.03 | Drakh_ | maybe you can try an older samba release |
| 06:11.11 | Shorty` | whatever is in breezy |
| 06:11.13 | case | I'm using stable release of sarge |
| 06:11.18 | Drakh_ | it was stable in my exp, about 2 years ago |
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| 06:11.30 | TwistedPBook | I guess I only found that funny. |
| 06:11.41 | Shorty` | eh, wrong channel huh :P |
| 06:11.45 | Drakh_ | don't you know |
| 06:11.46 | RoundQube | cheal: its entirely possible that after i manually applied the patch, it tried to patch again which caused it to error. I've [enter]'d through it and see what the results show |
| 06:11.51 | Drakh_ | linux users do not have a sense of humour |
| 06:11.52 | peterS | n3x: you can do things by hand all you want, and you can get your support from people who ship the stuff you are using, too |
| 06:11.59 | peterS | n3x: in this case that would be somebody other than #debian |
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| 06:12.04 | Fluten | i installed debian on my laptop, which also had windows xp installed |
| 06:12.08 | Drakh_ | linux users are mostly vulcans |
| 06:12.10 | cheal | RoundQube: oh, yeah, that sounds possible |
| 06:12.13 | case | really? |
| 06:12.14 | Fluten | i overwrote the mbr with lilo, and i can't seem to get it to dual boot |
| 06:12.16 | peterS | n3x: it's the price you pay for not using our system |
| 06:12.36 | Fluten | at the end of my lilo conf file, i put: |
| 06:12.40 | Fluten | other=/dev/hda5 |
| 06:12.40 | Fluten | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.42 | TwistedPBook | Drakh_: sure we do.. why do you think we send people to #gentoo for their gentoo problems... you KNOW there are like 6 people in there and none of them know anythin.g |
| 06:12.54 | Drakh_ | hahah |
| 06:13.03 | case | peterS: anything to add? |
| 06:13.04 | TwistedPBook | see ^ hehe |
| 06:13.06 | peterS | n3x: though come to think of it, hybrid developers would be more helpful than we even if you were using debian packages, probably. very few of us are likely to have experience with it, other than the maintainer, who isn't on this channel |
| 06:13.10 | case | purlease |
| 06:13.10 | Drakh_ | i was kiddin TwistedPBook ;p |
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| 06:13.17 | TwistedPBook | ;) |
| 06:13.19 | n3x | hmm |
| 06:13.20 | Fluten | !gentoosmite portage |
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| 06:13.28 | Drakh_ | although, it is possible about the vulcans part |
| 06:13.38 | Drakh_ | lol |
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| 06:13.50 | Drakh_ | I don't get why people use gentoo |
| 06:13.55 | Drakh_ | meh... preference i guess |
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| 06:14.04 | peterS | case: I don't know why apt is doing that. try 'aptitude update' instead, see if it resolves better |
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| 06:14.06 | TwistedPBook | Drakh_: It's l33t. |
| 06:14.07 | Drakh_ | if you want gentoo to work better use bsd :p |
| 06:14.22 | Drakh_ | what about debian :p |
| 06:14.40 | peterS | debian is not leet. the people who used to think debian was leet moved to gentoo |
| 06:14.41 | Drakh_ | debian != l33t |
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| 06:14.51 | TwistedPBook | Drakh_: debian |
| 06:14.54 | TwistedPBook | is sexy |
| 06:15.01 | SimonRaven | debian works. better than being 'leet' |
| 06:15.01 | peterS | and the ones who were left (that is, the ones not smart enough to get through the gentoo installer) moved to ubuntu |
| 06:15.01 | TwistedPBook | not l33t. |
| 06:15.05 | Drakh_ | debian == a useful/reliable/easy to manage/portable OS ? |
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| 06:15.09 | cheal | hehehe |
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| 06:15.23 | Drakh_ | haha peter |
| 06:15.28 | TwistedPBook | wait.. it's portable? |
| 06:15.32 | Drakh_ | I tried gentoo... I just read the install manual and it was fine |
| 06:15.41 | Drakh_ | by that I mean it runs on many platforms |
| 06:15.47 | Drakh_ | did I get my terminology mixed up? |
| 06:15.54 | SimonRaven | TwistedPBook: debian has 12 arches in sid, and has a bsd port, as well as gnu/hurd |
| 06:15.57 | deadcat | Drakh_: ya. some people cant follow that |
| 06:16.06 | Drakh_ | hehehehe |
| 06:16.09 | Drakh_ | I am a debian noob |
| 06:16.24 | Drakh_ | I am reading madducks book though |
| 06:16.25 | SimonRaven | now show me any other distro that can manage that, and still function |
| 06:16.27 | Drakh_ | looks good so far :D |
| 06:16.29 | TwistedPBook | SimonRaven: what the hell does any of that mean? |
| 06:16.30 | deadcat | Drakh_: i am a computer noob. just found out this internet thing few months ago |
| 06:16.38 | SimonRaven | do some reading |
| 06:16.41 | case | please can someone help me |
| 06:16.41 | peterS | Drakh_: debian is predicated on the theory that you might have other things to do in life than install and upgrade your OS |
| 06:16.49 | deadcat | Drakh_: ya. look good so far. i found porn in this internet |
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| 06:16.59 | case | I have some output but it's too large to cp here |
| 06:17.03 | streuner | deadcat: really? |
| 06:17.04 | SimonRaven | peterS: like have a life fixing other machines ;) |
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| 06:17.16 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: move to AOL.. ;) I DID AND IM HAPPY. |
| 06:17.28 | case | web 2.0 :P |
| 06:17.31 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: (= |
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| 06:17.46 | Drakh_ | yea im too busy patching and fixing windows boxes at work to worry about fixing debian/nix boxes ;p |
| 06:17.51 | peterS | TwistedPBook: where do I get the fink package for aol plskthx |
| 06:17.54 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: still having touch the macmini? )= |
| 06:18.00 | n3x | peterS: event he debian package doesnt work |
| 06:18.09 | AM|R | Hi i got problem with xwindows the x doest no appear.. im install debian on imac ppc.. any can helps? |
| 06:18.13 | TwistedPBook | Instead of porn I have to deal with republican propaganda. |
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| 06:18.23 | streuner | Drakh_: gentoo is OT here, you might ask #gentoo why they use it, they have surely better answers than we do... |
| 06:18.23 | SimonRaven | ugh |
| 06:18.32 | deadcat | AM|R: did you install the x window packages? |
| 06:18.33 | peterS | TwistedPBook: does it include ann coulter porn? |
| 06:18.33 | TwistedPBook | peterS: www.gentooisl33t.com |
| 06:18.36 | SimonRaven | AM|R: just ask |
| 06:18.37 | Drakh_ | AM|R what happens when you type startx ? |
| 06:18.41 | AM|R | deadcat yes |
| 06:18.48 | AM|R | the screen black |
| 06:18.54 | AM|R | nothing apper on the screen |
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| 06:19.00 | deadcat | AM|R: what package did you install? |
| 06:19.06 | Drakh_ | did you use the debianconfigurator.. |
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| 06:19.09 | Drakh_ | err whatever it is called :/ |
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| 06:19.15 | Drakh_ | I just used it for the first time today |
| 06:19.17 | case | xfree86? |
| 06:19.19 | Drakh_ | but it worked well |
| 06:19.24 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: No ;( too tired to set it up now |
| 06:19.40 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: not setup. stare and admire the mofo (= |
| 06:19.44 | AM|R | deadcat :debianconfigurator? nop.. what is the command? |
| 06:19.44 | deadcat | drool over it |
| 06:19.54 | Drakh_ | just a sec |
| 06:19.55 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: I've looked at it ;) |
| 06:19.56 | SimonRaven | !drxx AM|R |
| 06:19.57 | dpkg | AM|R: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:19.58 | deadcat | AM|R: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:19.59 | AM|R | yes xfree86 |
| 06:20.03 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: it's preeeeety ;) |
| 06:20.04 | peterS | AM|R: maybe 'configure-debian'? that's the closest match for that name I can think of |
| 06:20.10 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: damn (= |
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| 06:20.38 | Drakh_ | apt-get install xdebconfigurator hwinfo mdetect read-edid |
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| 06:20.44 | Drakh_ | xdebconfigurator |
| 06:20.45 | peterS | ah, that one |
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| 06:20.54 | Drakh_ | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 06:20.59 | Drakh_ | that should get your xwindows going nicely |
| 06:21.03 | Drakh_ | then type startx and it should work |
| 06:21.12 | Drakh_ | don't forget to install a desktop system though |
| 06:21.17 | AM|R | Drakh_ already installed |
| 06:21.19 | case | ^^this worked for me |
| 06:21.26 | chealer | !xwindows |
| 06:21.26 | dpkg | from memory, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 06:21.32 | Drakh_ | ok, try out xdebconfigurator then? |
| 06:21.50 | deadcat | AM|R: which imac you have? the color one or the white one? |
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| 06:21.58 | streuner | hm |
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| 06:22.16 | SimonRaven | peterS: is this normal? i'm to FSes that store meta-data in the fs itself: /dev/sdb3 /var/backups2 5786.9 128.2 5369.3 7% ext3 |
| 06:22.20 | Drakh_ | AM|R run this: apt-get install xdebconfigurator hwinfo mdetect read-edid |
| 06:22.24 | happyb | can i use apt-get to upgrade a single package to unstable? |
| 06:22.25 | SimonRaven | peterS: "i'm used to" |
| 06:22.49 | SimonRaven | peterS: that's di output, values in MB |
| 06:22.50 | Drakh_ | it will attempt to auto detect your optimal screen resolution and refresh rate, and put that in an X config file |
| 06:22.54 | deadcat | happyb: ya. add a unstable to your sources.list update it, apt-get install -t unstable blah |
| 06:22.56 | AM|R | thanks i will try |
| 06:22.57 | peterS | SimonRaven: for an empty filesystem? it is probably counting the metadata and the journal. the journal takes significant space |
| 06:23.01 | Drakh_ | wait |
| 06:23.04 | Drakh_ | after you run that |
| 06:23.09 | Drakh_ | you need to actually run the command: |
| 06:23.11 | happyb | but app is already installed |
| 06:23.13 | AM|R | deadcat: the color one |
| 06:23.14 | Drakh_ | xdebconfigurator |
| 06:23.20 | SimonRaven | peterS: yeh, empty |
| 06:23.22 | happyb | i just want to upgrade 1 package to unstalbe, not all |
| 06:23.26 | Drakh_ | then you should be able to start X |
| 06:23.32 | happyb | xcfe4 to be exact |
| 06:23.38 | peterS | SimonRaven: doesn't look too abnormal to me, but I can't tell you for sure |
| 06:23.41 | deadcat | AM|R: oh.. must be video card problem |
| 06:23.47 | peterS | it does seem a *little* high |
| 06:23.57 | SimonRaven | peterS: eh, i chose ext3 so that it'd be recoverable with woody b-f floppy disks, if needed |
| 06:24.00 | dakishi | how can i install plugins, specific one (mooding)?? |
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| 06:24.12 | dakishi | moodin* |
| 06:24.17 | SimonRaven | peterS: but that's a lot of space for a 5.7 GB partition |
| 06:24.17 | Jacobo221 | where can I select CONFIG_PCI_MSI from within "make menuconfig"? |
| 06:24.20 | peterS | SimonRaven: yeah, choice of that or reiserfs, and that's no choice at all (: |
| 06:24.29 | TwistedPBook | happyb: the run apt-get update... and apt-get install <package> ... then remove the source... update again... UPDATE updates the list of available programs... doesnt actually UPGRADE them :) |
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| 06:25.04 | peterS | SimonRaven: you can use 'dumpe2fs' and 'tune2fs' to examine the size of the journal and make it smaller, if you think that's what you want |
| 06:25.04 | SimonRaven | peterS: i can set the journal smaller, but then i don't want to risk corruption or something |
| 06:25.06 | AM|R | deadcat : is any solution for what u have said? (video card problem) |
| 06:25.13 | TwistedPBook | happyb: I think you are confusing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade... man apt. |
| 06:25.23 | deadcat | AM|R: i dont know. those machines are too old for me to help (= |
| 06:25.31 | peterS | SimonRaven: size of journal just affects efficiency. writes might go a bit slower if the journal is too small. |
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| 06:26.01 | SimonRaven | peterS: oh ok. won't matter very much except for making the actual backups, and copying from it |
| 06:26.07 | AM|R | ermm |
| 06:26.10 | peterS | SimonRaven: well, I'm assuming you can unmount the filesystem before running tune2fs on it |
| 06:26.22 | peterS | SimonRaven: shrinking the journal while the fs is active is probably not a good plan (: |
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| 06:26.30 | happyb | maybe i misstated. I have version 4.0 of xcfe on stable debain. Can i apt-get upgrade to v4.2? |
| 06:26.41 | happyb | without going to unstable everything else? |
| 06:26.44 | SimonRaven | peterS: not ATM, no, it's mounted and getting a fresh backup onto it (/var/backups1 is anyway) |
| 06:26.55 | Drakh_ | AM|R did you try running xdebconfigurator? |
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| 06:27.18 | peterS | SimonRaven: anyway, use dumpe2fs to determine whether the size of the journal is your real problem here |
| 06:27.30 | SimonRaven | peterS: i suspect it is |
| 06:27.32 | AM|R | yes Drakh_ |
| 06:27.36 | deadcat | AM|R: you can try to upgrade the system to testing and use xorg maybe |
| 06:27.53 | AM|R | but this appear /usr/sbin/dccprobe NOT! found |
| 06:28.04 | TwistedPBook | happyb: jesus man... add a unstable source to /etc/apt/sources.list ... apt-get update... apt-get install xfce... remove the unstable source... and apt-get update again. |
| 06:28.16 | Drakh_ | have you tried apting for dccprobe? |
| 06:28.22 | happyb | aaaaaah!! i see the light! |
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| 06:28.40 | TwistedPBook | happyb: or go to xfce's website... I'm sure they have a apt source for unstable xfce.. so you dont need to worry about it. |
| 06:28.46 | AM|R | ermm deadcat |
| 06:28.59 | TwistedPBook | happyb: BE WARNED... it's NOT A GOOD IDEA to mix packages! |
| 06:29.07 | deadcat | whats the diff between bittorrent and bittornado? using tornado right now but i dont see the diff |
| 06:29.10 | happyb | understood. |
| 06:29.11 | AM|R | deadcat: i got the output something shows the info about display is it rite? |
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| 06:30.22 | deadcat | AM|R: did you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select the right card? its ati i beilieve |
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| 06:30.25 | peterS | deadcat: well, bittorrent 4 goes off in an entirely different direction, the difference will be obvious enough if you use *that*. but the license is non-free so you won't see it in debian for awhile |
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| 06:31.03 | deadcat | peterS: no i mean the packages bittorrent and bittornado |
| 06:31.43 | AM|R | oki will try .. brb |
| 06:31.46 | AM|R | yep ati |
| 06:31.47 | dakishi | how can i get bootsplash package?? |
| 06:31.48 | SimonRaven | peterS: thanks for your input |
| 06:31.51 | peterS | deadcat: I know what you mean. the difference is that bittornado is a fork of bittorrent |
| 06:32.26 | deadcat | dakishi: compile yourself or bootsplash.de |
| 06:32.36 | deadcat | dakishi: you might just want to get splashy instead |
| 06:32.36 | dakishi | deadcat, thank you |
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| 06:32.49 | dakishi | splashy?? |
| 06:32.53 | deadcat | peterS: ya. but they basically the same right? |
| 06:32.54 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: dude.. your asking who's more retarded when standing at the special olympics... if you count gui's... azureus is the best anyways... weeee |
| 06:32.57 | dakishi | is that a package?? |
| 06:32.57 | deadcat | dakishi: search it |
| 06:33.01 | dakishi | okey thank you |
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| 06:33.16 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: no gui.. my x is too unstable (=. |
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| 06:33.23 | peterS | deadcat: I told you about bittorrent version 4 to let you know that even if they look similar now they won't in the future |
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| 06:33.59 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: ;( damn gui. |
| 06:34.01 | deadcat | peterS: ah. |
| 06:34.44 | AM|R | thanks all it works : deadcat but it show x icon and no kde |
| 06:34.58 | AM|R | is it slow to load? |
| 06:35.00 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: you need to read the book Ishmael.. |
| 06:35.14 | deadcat | AM|R: your machien is slow. and i dont know what window manager you using |
| 06:35.16 | AM|R | i think its slow |
| 06:35.25 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: picture book? (= |
| 06:35.29 | AM|R | hehe installed kde |
| 06:35.37 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: hahah no.. but worth the read.. good book |
| 06:35.51 | deadcat | AM|R: that machine is too slow for kde. try icewm, fluxbox, or MAYBE xfce4.. just maybe |
| 06:36.10 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: thats what you said about brave heart.. it looks painful to watch (= |
| 06:36.31 | AM|R | ermm ok |
| 06:36.41 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: you ass. if we could take polls in here.. you would see braveheart is the best movie of all time. |
| 06:36.57 | newbie_at_linux | Can I have someones sources.list to add to Linspire? |
| 06:36.57 | deadcat | haha |
| 06:37.04 | deadcat | newbie_at_linux: no |
| 06:37.07 | TwistedPBook | oh jesus |
| 06:37.09 | TwistedPBook | hahaha |
| 06:37.13 | TwistedPBook | so many jokes. |
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| 06:37.27 | peterS | TwistedPBook: braveheart is full of jokes? I must have missed them |
| 06:37.32 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: braveheart or this ^^ dude? |
| 06:37.40 | TwistedPBook | newbie_at_linux: deb ftp://linspire.l33t.com |
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| 06:37.59 | TwistedPBook | peterS: no linspire man.. not braveheart. |
| 06:38.06 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:38.27 | beoba | i'm formatting an external harddrive on osx, and wanted to check whether HFS+ has good support in the linux kernel nowadays, anybody know? |
| 06:38.41 | peterS | TwistedPBook: if you aren't going to be helpful you don't have to belittle the one asking the question either. you can just explain that we don't think linspire will work well with debian packages, and point him to their own update service, the one that costs $99 / year last I heard |
| 06:38.47 | deadcat | beoba: good as in ro or rw? |
| 06:38.54 | beoba | rw. |
| 06:39.08 | beoba | fat32 is also an option but journaled is always a plus |
| 06:39.32 | TwistedPBook | peterS: they PAY for updates? |
| 06:39.43 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: ya. worst than windows |
| 06:39.52 | eXa_bOy | should i partition my harddrive? are there any performance increase from doing so? |
| 06:39.53 | peterS | TwistedPBook: they have this service where you can download thousands of apps for just $99 / year. sounds to me like sid, but who knows |
| 06:40.07 | TwistedPBook | then why not just go to windows? |
| 06:40.07 | AM|R | thax deadcat |
| 06:40.16 | deadcat | windows. you get free updates (=.. not linspire hehe |
| 06:40.17 | TwistedPBook | and instead of sid packages use download.com? |
| 06:40.23 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
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| 06:40.55 | peterS | TwistedPBook: they tried to call their OS Lindows but, rightfully, got stomped on as being confusingly similar to a better-known OS name |
| 06:41.14 | beoba | deadcat: any idea as far as rw? |
| 06:41.16 | TwistedPBook | just saying... I dont know... if it was between linspire and windows... I'd probably be playing counterstrike right now |
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| 06:41.38 | deadcat | beoba: oh. i dont know. i only have ext2 and 3 on my ppc (= |
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| 06:41.44 | liable | newbie_at_linux: if you need extra packages but want a simple setup, try ubuntu |
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| 06:41.50 | peterS | you can run counterstrike between two OSes? that sould be kind of cool to watch |
| 06:41.52 | beoba | deadcat: :( |
| 06:41.59 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: ya. windows is actually better than linspire |
| 06:41.59 | peterS | I wonder which OS has the best aim bots |
| 06:42.27 | TwistedPBook | peterS: GOOD question. |
| 06:42.32 | Drakh_ | you should probably use Gentoo for l33t stuff like that |
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| 06:42.53 | eXa_bOy | lol... ive had cs running on debian |
| 06:42.55 | TwistedPBook | I wish there was a counterstrike package. ;P |
| 06:43.09 | peterS | TwistedPBook: I mean the OSes themselves playing counterstrike against each other |
| 06:43.11 | eXa_bOy | cs server that is |
| 06:43.18 | TwistedPBook | eXa_bOy: wine? |
| 06:43.20 | TwistedPBook | oh |
| 06:43.23 | ke6isf | Toggling a boot flag on a partition is non-destructive, right? |
| 06:43.28 | peterS | ke6isf: yes |
| 06:43.29 | TwistedPBook | peterS: hahahaha |
| 06:43.30 | eXa_bOy | no there is a CS linux server |
| 06:43.34 | peterS | ke6isf: you can always toggle it back |
| 06:43.37 | ke6isf | peterS: Thanks. =^^= |
| 06:43.59 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: who gives a f about a cs server if you cant play the shit |
| 06:44.02 | peterS | ke6isf: well ... if you can boot your machine at all, that is. the MS-DOS default boot sector actually uses that information, after all, to decide what partition to chain-boot |
| 06:44.07 | TwistedPBook | eXa_bOy: yeah I get it... ;( Do you need a nice video card to run a CS server or no... I mean you dont play right.. so... |
| 06:44.32 | AM|R | deadcat icewm, fluxbox, xfce4 which one better? |
| 06:44.49 | eXa_bOy | i was running the server on a different machine. hosted 8 people on my cable connection. it was gread |
| 06:44.49 | Guerin | AM|R: badgerbox |
| 06:45.02 | AM|R | Guerin badgerbox? |
| 06:45.07 | peterS | AM|R: it's a #debian joke |
| 06:45.08 | eXa_bOy | the server runs in dedicated mode so you cant play ON the same machine as the server is running. |
| 06:45.13 | Guerin | AM|R: best windowmanager evar |
| 06:45.16 | deadcat | AM|R: try them all. i cant say which is better (= |
| 06:45.20 | TwistedPBook | AM|R: preference... |
| 06:45.21 | liable | i shouldnt laugh, but that was quite funny.. :) |
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| 06:45.36 | peterS | Guerin: strange that 'apt-cache search badger' has nothing. someone needs to get busy here |
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| 06:45.55 | deadcat | you guys have bad bager jokes. |
| 06:46.02 | Guerin | peterS: the snakes have sabotaged it |
| 06:46.05 | deadcat | bad as in suck. not badass |
| 06:46.16 | Guerin | deadcat: by definition |
| 06:46.18 | peterS | Guerin: 'apt-cache search snaaaake' shows nothing either though |
| 06:46.22 | Guerin | deadcat: we put the BAD in BADger |
| 06:46.30 | TwistedPBook | hahahahah |
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| 06:46.33 | TwistedPBook | wow.. |
| 06:46.41 | TwistedPBook | Yup.. it's Sunday ;) |
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| 06:47.01 | dakishi | how do i change my default booter from Grub to Lilo__ |
| 06:47.01 | dakishi | ?? |
| 06:47.02 | peterS | TwistedPBook: yeah sometimes even Guerin and I indulge in a bit of sundayism |
| 06:47.05 | eXa_bOy | whats the time in the US? has the football started? |
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| 06:47.11 | deadcat | dakishi: install lilo |
| 06:47.20 | dakishi | deadcat, already did |
| 06:47.22 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: it's the middle of the night |
| 06:47.23 | peterS | eXa_bOy: anything between 23:47 and 2:47 in the main part of the uS |
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| 06:47.25 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: check online |
| 06:47.34 | TwistedPBook | peterS: ;) Enjoy.. I'm not one to judge... |
| 06:47.36 | eXa_bOy | you are online :P |
| 06:47.38 | dakishi | deadcat, but grub still activem i tried to run /sbin/lilo but it wont ipen |
| 06:47.44 | deadcat | dakishi: run lilo maybe. |
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| 06:47.53 | marc7 | is there any way to easily pull exim4 off a debian base installation if I'm trying to install qmail or postfix instead? |
| 06:47.53 | peterS | dakishi: you can just remove grub and install lilo and that should be that |
| 06:47.57 | liable | dakishi: why are you doing this? |
| 06:48.07 | peterS | marc7: aptitude install postfix exim4- |
| 06:48.17 | peterS | marc7: the trailing "-" means remove instead of install |
| 06:48.19 | dakishi | liable, wanna add another splash look, and it told i need lilo to do so |
| 06:48.20 | marc7 | ah! |
| 06:48.20 | eXa_bOy | its 4:47 PM Sunday here... work tomorrow :(..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 06:48.29 | Guerin | peterS: unnecessary |
| 06:48.32 | peterS | marc7: installing postfix and removing exim4 at the same time avoids warnings / errors about not having a MTA on the system |
| 06:48.48 | Guerin | peterS: just apt-get install postfix; should work |
| 06:48.51 | Guerin | without errors |
| 06:48.55 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: thats nothing. i have a huge paper due next week. |
| 06:48.58 | liable | you dont even get a warning last time i removed exim.. |
| 06:49.05 | peterS | Guerin: yeah I s'pose |
| 06:49.28 | liable | unless my memory fails me, which is often.. |
| 06:49.32 | peterS | marc7: as for qmail you're kind of on your own, debian can't ship qmail because its author doesn't want us to be able to modify it |
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| 06:49.44 | TwistedPBook | liable: run mem check... |
| 06:49.56 | marc7 | *nod* i'm trying to pull exim4 off the system and not have debian freak out |
| 06:50.10 | marc7 | slowly, slowly making the move to postfix |
| 06:50.16 | RoundQube | who cares about qmail |
| 06:50.19 | RoundQube | use postfix =) |
| 06:50.29 | marc7 | RoundQube: people who already have fairly large qmail installations |
| 06:50.46 | RoundQube | they should migrate to postfix |
| 06:51.04 | peterS | RoundQube: yeah, well, *not* doing something is easier than *doing* something. if you pay them for the sysadmin time I'm sure they'll consider migrating |
| 06:51.07 | Varanger | can I instal Debian to a system via ssh ? |
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| 06:51.17 | marc7 | yeah, we should. throw 3000 accounts into the mix using a qmail patch (vmailmgr) and it doesn't become as easy to switch over |
| 06:51.19 | peterS | Varanger: yes, if you know what you're doing |
| 06:51.24 | Guerin | marc7: you can use equivs to make a fake m-t-a package to trick debian into thinking it's still installed. |
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| 06:51.41 | peterS | Varanger: obviously you need to get an ssh server on your machine *somehow*, before you can do anything with it - that normally means already having another linux system on the machine, running |
| 06:51.42 | TwistedPBook | Varanger: but it's perferable to have someone there... |
| 06:51.43 | marc7 | guerin: gotcha, thanks |
| 06:51.44 | Guerin | Varanger: look into debootstrap. It's quite well documented. |
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| 06:52.07 | peterS | !debtakeover |
| 06:52.07 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 06:52.08 | Varanger | Guerin: debootstrap, thank! |
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| 06:52.28 | RoundQube | does make-kpkg target kernel_image also install the kernel and modules or do i need to have target modules_image as well and install that with dpkg -i ? |
| 06:52.37 | peterS | Varanger: see debtakeover, another alternative, described by <dpkg> above |
| 06:52.37 | eXa_bOy | peterS : ive just got a new 40 Gig harddrive :) hopefully mysql-server will play-ball |
| 06:53.20 | TwistedPBook | debtakeover sounds badass.. |
| 06:53.22 | liable | RoundQube: just kernel_image does everyhing you need. then yes, dpkg -i the package |
| 06:53.31 | AM|R- | hi im installing fluxbox... how can i make it default when im startc |
| 06:53.37 | RoundQube | liable: thanks |
| 06:53.38 | AM|R- | hi im installing fluxbox... how can i make it default when im startx |
| 06:53.48 | peterS | TwistedPBook: dunno if it works as well in practice as in theory, since I haven't used it |
| 06:53.48 | streuner | AM|R: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 06:53.51 | RoundQube | AM|R-: askig once is enough |
| 06:54.00 | RoundQube | liable: thanks |
| 06:54.07 | liable | np |
| 06:54.11 | streuner | AM|R: put 'exec fluxbox' into ~/.xsession |
| 06:54.16 | Varanger | peterS: Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 06:54.24 | AM|R- | thanks |
| 06:54.47 | Varanger | I wonder what is metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E ..... ;) |
| 06:54.48 | TwistedPBook | peterS: just sounds good though doesnt it... like a malicious trojan that enlightens people... wherever idiots roam... debian takeover will educate. |
| 06:54.58 | deadcat | AM|R-: therees a startfluxbox script |
| 06:55.03 | peterS | Varanger: doesn't matter what they mean, you'll be replacing them with debian |
| 06:55.22 | peterS | TwistedPBook: the win32 port has never been done though |
| 06:55.35 | Varanger | debtakeover and debootstrap |
| 06:55.41 | Varanger | they both are what I want! |
| 06:56.04 | TwistedPBook | Varanger: #heaven and #debian are interchangeable |
| 06:56.09 | ke6isf | OK, I'm in base-config in sarge netinst, but if I try to kill -HUP the base-config process, base-config restarts. How do I tell base-config to *not* restart, so that I can just manually restore everything? |
| 06:56.20 | TwistedPBook | expect people in #debian cant spell... ;( Like me. |
| 06:56.33 | peterS | ke6isf: I'm guessing kill -TERM rather than -HUP |
| 06:56.40 | Guerin | Varanger: debtakeover would be easier - if it works. But I'd be cagey about how pure a debian system it would result in. Debootstrap is much more work, and would require much more reading of documentation, but will result in a proper debian box with no fuckups. |
| 06:57.02 | ke6isf | peterS: I'm presuming that -KILL, -9, etc. will hopefully have similar effects if TERM fails me. Thanks again. |
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| 06:57.22 | Varanger | Guerin: I'll check for them tomorrow morning |
| 06:57.27 | Varanger | it's 1:00 am here ;) |
| 06:57.34 | peterS | ke6isf: actually not necessarily. if it's being launched from init, as I think it is the first time you install, it won't matter |
| 06:57.51 | peterS | Varanger: oh you're in that time zone 57 minutes behind mine. cool. |
| 06:58.36 | Varanger | peterS: where are you from? |
| 06:58.44 | peterS | Varanger: 'host -t loc p12n.org' |
| 06:58.48 | eXa_bOy | ROFL! |
| 06:58.50 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 06:59.03 | nvz | geez who would pay over $80 for a Priacy Filter Screen overlay for their laptop.. just so they can sit and look at pr0n without anyone else seeing |
| 06:59.18 | Guerin | nvz: heh |
| 06:59.24 | deadcat | nvz: me. i pay |
| 06:59.31 | peterS | nvz: yeah just buy a laptop with a crappy display and you can't see it from more than a few degrees off center anyway |
| 06:59.44 | peterS | nvz: so like the privacy screen, whatever that is, probably just duplicates the effect of old tech |
| 06:59.44 | eXa_bOy | nvz are you going to ask for a refund? |
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| 07:00.04 | Varanger | peterS: last question... which libdvdcss is better? marillat's or videolan's ?? |
| 07:00.15 | nvz | I didnt buy it I just seen it on pricewatch |
| 07:00.17 | TwistedPBook | nvz: does porn come WITH it? if yes then yes. |
| 07:00.24 | peterS | Varanger: I have no idea. they're probably functionally identical. it's not a difficult package to put together, really |
| 07:00.34 | eXa_bOy | pron is free these days. |
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| 07:00.57 | Guerin | everything is free |
| 07:00.58 | peterS | TwistedPBook: yeah free porn is so hard to find on the net. step 1, disable popup blocking, step 2, click on a few random web sites |
| 07:00.59 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: hehe |
| 07:01.04 | Guerin | some things are just more free than others |
| 07:01.06 | TwistedPBook | eXa_bOy: yeah okay asshole... I lose my virigity on camera and it's FREE huh? |
| 07:01.09 | nvz | I just killed me some kind of beetle. I dont know why those things are so hard to kill I had to apply like 10lbs or more of pressure before I heard his body crunch |
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| 07:01.20 | Guerin | TwistedPBook: i think it'd have to be |
| 07:01.24 | TwistedPBook | peterS: hahahaha |
| 07:01.26 | TwistedPBook | hahahahaha |
| 07:01.42 | TwistedPBook | Guerin: that was MEAN.. and halarious |
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| 07:02.27 | ke6isf | bleah, even rebooting won't do it. I'll just walk through it to the end and undo the cruft. |
| 07:02.54 | TwistedPBook | nvz: use a 10lb object then you only need one pound of force... #physics |
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| 07:03.06 | peterS | ke6isf: yeah, that or if you really want to give yourself more headaches you can edit /etc/inittab to remove that line and add the right getty lines and so forth, then kill it |
| 07:03.12 | peterS | ke6isf: (well, then kill -HUP 1, then kill it) |
| 07:03.15 | nvz | TwistedPBook: I used my fingers and I had to squeeze the hell out of that bug |
| 07:03.42 | pacman | init kills things for you if you remove their inittab lines and HUP init. It won't leave any "extras" running |
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| 07:04.12 | TwistedPBook | nvz: I worry about you... why are you squeezing bugs anyways... does this have anything to do with privacy screens and pron? |
| 07:04.32 | pacman | nvz: this is why most people have dictionaries. (if they had dictionaries for any reason that involves ever OPENING them, they wouldn't ask so many dumb questions here!) |
| 07:04.35 | nvz | TwistedPBook: no has to do with not liking bugs |
| 07:05.25 | nvz | I am thinkin again about buying a Zaurus is where my search has led me so far though I am having the same problem as the last time I tried to buy a zaurus like 2 years ago.. I cant find one |
| 07:05.42 | Guerin | nvz: ebay |
| 07:05.56 | nvz | you go to their website and they got every imaginable spec about the Zaurus SL-6000 or whatever, and nothing about actually buying one |
| 07:05.58 | ke6isf | peterS: Hey, it was either this, or I fart around with partitioning the new disk, copying the old install from a dying disk, and set up grub. This seems easier. =^_^= |
| 07:06.00 | TwistedPBook | Errr.. one of those mystical flying creatures? |
| 07:06.12 | TwistedPBook | I got one for sale... |
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| 07:06.33 | nvz | ebay gives me an idea. maybe I can buy some old obsolete portable pc for what I need. :P |
| 07:06.47 | TwistedPBook | ohh a PDA. |
| 07:06.50 | TwistedPBook | ;( |
| 07:06.53 | peterS | nvz: umm, didn't someone suggest that like 2 hours ago and you said you hated laptops? |
| 07:07.03 | nvz | I dont want a laptop |
| 07:07.12 | peterS | you want some other kind of 'portable pc'? |
| 07:07.18 | Guerin | he wants a subnotebook |
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| 07:08.00 | peterS | Guerin: and here I was thinking like the Osborne 1 |
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| 07:08.08 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:08.09 | peterS | complete with its builtin CRT |
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| 07:08.14 | Guerin | nice |
| 07:08.23 | Guerin | did you get a trolley to port it around? |
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| 07:08.31 | peterS | way back before LCDs could cut the mustard |
| 07:08.33 | nvz | I want essentially a TI-83 or an HP 48gII,49g+ only with an RTC |
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| 07:08.56 | nvz | all I really need is something I can write simple programs that take input and produce output on the go. |
| 07:09.11 | peterS | nvz: you can buy a digital watch at like Dollar General, tape it to the bottom of the calculator |
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| 07:09.40 | nvz | yeah then I have to manually insert time data into my program instead of it timestamping the data |
| 07:10.01 | peterS | well yeah, you do need a watch with infrared beaming capabilities |
| 07:10.03 | peterS | those might be harder to find |
| 07:10.04 | TwistedPBook | nvz: there is no RTC accessory? |
| 07:10.15 | nvz | the PalmPCs keep time but have no devel software and the only reference I found to programming them outside the Palm is with MS VB and that is not cool |
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| 07:10.39 | Guerin | zaurus does sound like the plan |
| 07:10.41 | peterS | TwistedPBook: seriously, a digital watch costs well under $1 to produce, including the strap, battery and case. you'd think some calculator would come with that technology |
| 07:10.42 | TwistedPBook | I know poeple use those things for shit like GPS and all that.. figure the probably make something does it.. |
| 07:10.46 | Guerin | they're cheap, and they run debian |
| 07:10.53 | nvz | yes the Zarus being the cheap linux solution |
| 07:11.00 | nvz | Zaurus even |
| 07:11.16 | TwistedPBook | peterS: wait... what about those watches with the calculators ON THEM? |
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| 07:11.33 | peterS | TwistedPBook: haha. the 80s called, they want you back |
| 07:11.42 | nvz | heh |
| 07:11.45 | pacman | I remember my HP48 having a clock... |
| 07:12.03 | TwistedPBook | peterS: Screw them.. they left me in the first place. I thought it was true love too. |
| 07:12.16 | nvz | sure doesnt mention it on the site. I spent a good half hour going over the specs of their graphing calculators |
| 07:12.18 | Guerin | the 80s never loved anyone |
| 07:12.20 | pacman | I had 2 of those calculator watches... broke the strap on both of them. |
| 07:12.23 | peterS | TwistedPBook: if you were born before 1990 you're older than a scary number of people around here |
| 07:12.27 | Guerin | and only misguided people love the 80s |
| 07:12.41 | nvz | in any case the graphing calculators are pretty expensive for just being a calculator |
| 07:12.46 | Guerin | peterS: ain't that the truth |
| 07:12.48 | TwistedPBook | 90? wow.. that's 15 |
| 07:12.52 | TwistedPBook | thats preety old |
| 07:13.00 | TwistedPBook | fuck.. I feel old.. |
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| 07:13.03 | peterS | TwistedPBook: yeah, you'd be surprised how many people in places like this are under 16 |
| 07:13.14 | Guerin | peterS: intellectually or otherwise |
| 07:13.16 | peterS | TwistedPBook: or maybe you wouldn't, on Sundays |
| 07:13.20 | TwistedPBook | I agree ;( |
| 07:13.22 | TwistedPBook | hahaa |
| 07:13.49 | peterS | hello, spammer oifxiWX |
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| 07:14.07 | TwistedPBook | ? |
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| 07:14.13 | TwistedPBook | idiot |
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| 07:14.35 | pacman | bored bored bored... |
| 07:14.39 | peterS | TwistedPBook: the pattern is easy to recognise if you look at the username mask, in this case "uuieouii". way too many vowels, no sense to it. it's a spambot. |
| 07:14.39 | Guerin | that's not fair |
| 07:14.55 | Guerin | you can't call something an idiot just because it's 15 lines of visual basic |
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| 07:15.26 | ke6isf | Hmm, this is going to take a little time. |
| 07:15.28 | darkness_ | I know this is highly irregular but i need to install irssi with just access to a shell.Can i use wget or something? |
| 07:15.42 | Varanger | Can hdparm be run with CDROM drives or just HD drivers? |
| 07:15.45 | Guerin | darkness_: no apt-get? why not? |
| 07:15.50 | Guerin | Varanger: both |
| 07:16.03 | TwistedPBook | what's highly irregular about that? |
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| 07:16.19 | Guerin | TwistedPBook: he doesn't have root and is trying to install things against his admin's wishes |
| 07:16.24 | Guerin | </guess> |
| 07:16.28 | Varanger | Guerin: and Serial ATA HD drives? |
| 07:16.35 | peterS | Varanger: most of the options won't do much for CDs though |
| 07:16.35 | Guerin | Varanger: dunno about sata. |
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| 07:16.41 | darkness_ | Guerin.becasue it's on a bsd platform.But i thought some of you guys would know.I've asked in other rooms but no good? |
| 07:16.46 | Guerin | darkness_: wtf |
| 07:16.56 | Guerin | darkness_: ask in #whateverbsd |
| 07:16.59 | pacman | bah! experienced users maintaining a ~/bin is a fine unix tradition. |
| 07:17.02 | darkness_ | Cool. |
| 07:17.08 | Guerin | darkness_: or simply follow the instructions on irssi.org |
| 07:17.17 | Guerin | peterS: oh, sure. It's there for a reason. |
| 07:17.19 | TwistedPBook | darkness_: do you have root access? |
| 07:17.19 | pacman | no reason to treat it as an insult to the admin |
| 07:17.21 | Guerin | MEH |
| 07:17.27 | Guerin | pacman: oh, sure. It's there for a reason. |
| 07:17.44 | Varanger | peterS / Guerin : my problem is that the video on the DVD I am watching it's has a lot of "jumps", especially in fast scenes... how can I do? |
| 07:17.51 | Guerin | pacman: but attendant to that is that you shouldn't have to ask how to do it, let alone if it's possible. |
| 07:18.00 | Skiver | hi, i wonder if i can disable the MTA on my debian box, during the bootup sequence, it takes too long to startup exim4. any idea how to disable or shorten the loading time ? |
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| 07:18.05 | darkness_ | Twisted__No_colour_blindness:-) I don't have root. |
| 07:18.08 | EdLin | darkness_: just because they don't know the answer to your problem elsewhere doesn't mean you have the right to bug us about it. |
| 07:18.13 | case^deb | okay I fixed it |
| 07:18.19 | case^deb | I am happy |
| 07:18.20 | valdyn | Varanger: ...and you think that is b/c of your slow dvd drive? |
| 07:18.21 | Guerin | Skiver: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, tell it to only look up dns on demand |
| 07:18.32 | peterS | Varanger: try 'cat /proc/ide/your_chipset_type' to see whether it's using a proper UDMA mode for your cdrom drive |
| 07:18.38 | TwistedPBook | darkness_: then stop trying to hack around and go get a job. |
| 07:18.45 | case^deb | I just need to ping the URL and get the translation from that |
| 07:18.49 | Guerin | Skiver: or, if you don't need a full-featured mta, install something which doesnm't make that check, such as ssmtp |
| 07:18.50 | case^deb | then connect |
| 07:18.52 | peterS | Varanger: where your_chipset_type will be some filename derived in some loose way from your IDE chipset name |
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| 07:19.21 | dakishi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:19.37 | TwistedPBook | ban? |
| 07:19.39 | darkness_ | TwistedPBook: I deserved that i guess.BTW don't pull the go get a job one i've just worked 60hours this week. |
| 07:19.40 | *** part/#debian iuFeW (n=uuieouii@202.137.118.118) |
| 07:19.42 | Varanger | valdyn: I don't think it is because my slow dvd drive... it works pretty well in other OS I won't mention |
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| 07:20.02 | TwistedPBook | darkness_: then go get the admin |
| 07:20.04 | *** part/#debian oEizwu (n=uuieouii@202.137.118.118) |
| 07:20.10 | peterS | who was it was asking a few hours ago why this channel is still only half full? here's the answer - one of our *ops* didn't even notice for a day or so that her client had been kicked off the channel |
| 07:20.20 | nvz | sure doesnt mention having an RTC, though it does say the HP calculators have an ARM9 in them. so they probably have at least a timer |
| 07:20.21 | Skiver | Guerin : thanks for answering. i did that config, it has no option like dns on demand. |
| 07:20.28 | Guerin | darkness_: it's easily enough done if the box has all the right tools and libs on it |
| 07:20.31 | Guerin | Skiver: sure it does. |
| 07:20.31 | valdyn | Varanger: try mplayer -vo xv -cache 8192 dvd:// |
| 07:20.44 | peterS | nvz: yeah those were some bad machines, for their day. dunno if their day is still here |
| 07:20.44 | TwistedPBook | whbat is that bot doing? |
| 07:20.48 | TwistedPBook | *what |
| 07:21.02 | TwistedPBook | n=uuieouii@202.137.118.118 |
| 07:21.04 | Guerin | darkness_: irssi.org has it documented; ask in #youros or #irssi if you have problems - just not in here |
| 07:21.24 | nvz | peterS: I've had people say they are better than the TI calculators |
| 07:21.26 | peterS | TwistedPBook: collecting a list of nicks joined to the channel. then it'll spam them with links to porn sites |
| 07:21.45 | TwistedPBook | ohh.. I thought it was a bad thing. |
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| 07:21.52 | TwistedPBook | !addme |
| 07:22.13 | EdLin | !moron TwistedPBook |
| 07:22.14 | dpkg | TwistedPBook: You are moron #83 |
| 07:22.19 | peterS | TwistedPBook: this is an evolutionary step forward from the days when they'd just join the channel and spam us all publicly. the irc operators learned to detect and kill them in short order back when they were doing it that way |
| 07:22.20 | ke6isf | TwistedPBook: It is, but you can always ask dpkg about 'spambots' for how to stop the spammage. |
| 07:22.30 | nvz | I've programmed scheduling apps on the TI before but since it has no RTC I had to calibrate a delay loop and suffer clock drift not to mention had to leave it on and running a program loop all the time for it to work |
| 07:22.45 | Guerin | ke6isf: no ... he wants all the weak, low-grade porn he can get |
| 07:22.58 | ke6isf | Guerin: Oh. |
| 07:23.05 | TwistedPBook | LOW grade |
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| 07:23.13 | peterS | like below the belt? |
| 07:23.16 | servus | Like sheep? |
| 07:23.16 | TwistedPBook | and cheap too.. |
| 07:23.19 | nvz | I'd like whatever I use to be able to function without being on 9 hours straight. I only need to get data from or put data into my program every 15min or so.. maybe less |
| 07:23.19 | peterS | oh look, it's back |
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| 07:23.38 | TwistedPBook | that name sounded spanish... |
| 07:23.48 | ke6isf | TwistedPBook: Man, that has about as much taste as a styrofoam sandwich. |
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| 07:24.05 | peterS | !ops ban 202.137.118.118 please |
| 07:24.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ban 202.137.118.118 please |
| 07:24.13 | peterS | for it annoyeth me |
| 07:24.24 | peterS | its comings and goings are amusing no longer |
| 07:24.25 | TwistedPBook | agreed. |
| 07:24.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 07:24.27 | Guerin | !tell peterS about nospambot |
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| 07:24.33 | ke6isf | peterS: You ain't just whistling dixie, pardner. |
| 07:24.34 | Varanger | peterS: there is a file /proc/ide/ide0/hda/settings |
| 07:24.39 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@202.137.118.118] by helix |
| 07:24.41 | Alpha1 | hi |
| 07:24.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 07:24.51 | Varanger | How can I know if the setting are correct? |
| 07:24.52 | Guerin | !prize helix |
| 07:24.52 | ke6isf | !beer helix |
| 07:24.56 | helix | yay I win |
| 07:24.59 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, the author of that script should be, I dunno, shot or something |
| 07:25.01 | Guerin | two beers! |
| 07:25.05 | ke6isf | wow, two beers in a go! |
| 07:25.10 | helix | and I don't even drink! |
| 07:25.12 | Guerin | peterS: nono, works fine. You should use it. |
| 07:25.15 | TwistedPBook | why dont we just ban *!*@*!*? |
| 07:25.15 | Alpha1 | synaptic thinks I only have 14 packages installed, while infact I have a squillion - so update-menus isn't working :( |
| 07:25.17 | peterS | helix: good thing you joined that channel only a day or so after getting kicked off |
| 07:25.20 | TwistedPBook | then no more bots. |
| 07:25.27 | Alpha1 | how do I rebuild the library of all the packages I have installed? |
| 07:25.29 | ke6isf | !pal TwistedPBook |
| 07:25.29 | Guerin | TwistedPBook: why don't we just nuke china? |
| 07:25.38 | peterS | Guerin: maybe I should use it with something other than the default settings |
| 07:25.38 | helix | yeah, fucking haters |
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| 07:25.48 | TwistedPBook | Guerin: I dont know? |
| 07:25.49 | caphuso | nvz: you can do that with an HP-48G. set up an alarm and let it run whatever function you want |
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| 07:25.53 | ke6isf | Well, that didn't last long. |
| 07:25.55 | peterS | oh look, uieoopk is back |
| 07:25.55 | Guerin | TwistedPBook: clearly not. |
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| 07:25.56 | nvz | this Zaurus SL-C3000 looks really cool but I am not willing to pay over $500 for it. |
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| 07:26.06 | TwistedPBook | Guerin: Cheap products? |
| 07:26.15 | dakishi | to update kde 3.3 to 3.4 do i need to get kde base setup?? or what file name ?? cause i see multiples package making me doubt with one to download |
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| 07:26.21 | Guerin | TwistedPBook: there are a few more important reasons I can think of. |
| 07:26.22 | peterS | ha |
| 07:26.23 | helix | peterS: I have the staff /ignored so I didn't know when it was safe to return |
| 07:26.40 | Guerin | dakishi: what branch of debian? |
| 07:26.41 | TwistedPBook | Guerin: Not according to Bush's theories.... |
| 07:26.47 | peterS | you have staff /ignored? what like all freenode staff? |
| 07:26.49 | nvz | caphuso: the 48gII and 49g+ are the only ones I found on hp.com and they didnt mention that in the specs |
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| 07:27.02 | peterS | bye, HoEWuooA |
| 07:27.06 | liable | get 'im |
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| 07:27.11 | ke6isf | LART! |
| 07:27.11 | helix | sigh |
| 07:27.12 | dakishi | Guerin, what you mean with "Branch", version???, debian sarge 3.1 |
| 07:27.19 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.101.163.166] by helix |
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| 07:27.29 | pacman | that does it. I have to try to find my HP48 now. |
| 07:27.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 07:27.33 | nvz | the 49g+ has an SD slot which is cool especially since its the same memory my Mp3 player uses |
| 07:27.39 | ke6isf | !coffee helix |
| 07:27.40 | helix | peterS: for notices and stuff, yeah |
| 07:27.41 | Varanger | nvz: I have a 48gx, I wonder if they still are sold |
| 07:27.46 | Varanger | They are from 1993 |
| 07:27.49 | peterS | helix: you should tell the staff to adapt the spammerkiller script to catch these dudes. they use very predictable usernames (: |
| 07:27.50 | helix | ke6isf: maybe just water or juice? I don't drink coffee either :) |
| 07:27.56 | ke6isf | !water |
| 07:27.56 | dpkg | water is, like, a good drink, if you're poor... |
| 07:28.00 | helix | haha |
| 07:28.01 | ke6isf | !water helix |
| 07:28.13 | Varanger | !beer Varanger |
| 07:28.16 | Guerin | dakishi: ok, that's what I wanted to know. Sarge doesn't have kde 3.4 - you can find a backport, or you can upgrade your machine to a more recent branch |
| 07:28.19 | Guerin | but I think 3.4 is only in unstable, so it's unwise |
| 07:28.20 | peterS | actually she does drink kawfee, I think |
| 07:28.22 | TwistedPBook | !coolaid TwistedPBook |
| 07:28.23 | ke6isf | Methinks we should revamp the water factoid. =^_^= |
| 07:28.27 | TwistedPBook | Awww... |
| 07:28.35 | TwistedPBook | now that's a poor mans drink. |
| 07:28.40 | Alpha1 | so.. *cough* |
| 07:28.42 | helix | peterS: I should smite you for the implications in that statement |
| 07:28.45 | dakishi | Guerin, how can i get that backport??, google, or how?? |
| 07:28.52 | nvz | Varanger: no idea. I am looking for a reasonably cheap portable device with RTC and/or Timer that I can program on. Perform basic calculations and scheduling at work. |
| 07:28.52 | caphuso | nvz: the HP-49G has also a history of sucking badly |
| 07:28.52 | peterS | helix: I suppose you should |
| 07:29.06 | TwistedPBook | Weeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 07:29.11 | nvz | caphuso: heh, ty for that short and sweet review :P |
| 07:29.12 | Guerin | dakishi: try apt-get.org or backports.org - at your own risk, don't bother us about it if it breaks your shit or eats your cat. |
| 07:29.27 | helix | peterS: I think I will try to get my usb working instead |
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| 07:29.43 | peterS | get usb working? |
| 07:29.48 | dakishi | Guerin, okey i asume all risk |
| 07:29.56 | dakishi | thank you |
| 07:29.58 | CoffeeBreaks | hi I think someone hacked my debian sarge server |
| 07:30.00 | helix | yes, it's not working |
| 07:30.08 | ke6isf | CoffeeBreaks: Sucks to be you. |
| 07:30.09 | nvz | I really dont want to buy off ebay one because I dont really have a credit card anymore, and also because I hate being teased when I need something. I |
| 07:30.11 | Guerin | dakishi: if you find one which works, come and tell dpkg about it |
| 07:30.26 | peterS | helix: never known usb to be more than a matter of loading the right few modules. well, except with old or broken kernels |
| 07:30.29 | nvz | _do_ need some kind of hardware and I am willing to pay for it.. I dont need to play games trying to get it |
| 07:30.43 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: what makes you think so? |
| 07:30.46 | CoffeeBreaks | http://rafb.net/paste/results/ooqCCk15.html |
| 07:30.47 | nvz | the price is important to me I am not willing to haggle on ebay |
| 07:30.51 | Skiver | Guerin : after setting "keep dns lookup at minimal", it's still unacceptable long. Would it be bad if i uninstall exim4 ? |
| 07:30.54 | TwistedPBook | Guerin: ehehe... wake up neighbors wife too |
| 07:30.55 | helix | peterS: yeah, that's what I thought |
| 07:30.59 | helix | nforce is teh hate, apparently |
| 07:31.06 | CoffeeBreaks | I wasn't able to start apache again after upgrading it |
| 07:31.09 | Guerin | Skiver: what do you use your mailserver for on that machine? |
| 07:31.15 | Guerin | TwistedPBook: ... |
| 07:31.16 | peterS | helix: nforce doesn't just use uhci-hcd / ehci-hcd like everyone else? |
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| 07:31.20 | helix | supposedly |
| 07:31.23 | CoffeeBreaks | then I do lsof -i tcp:80 |
| 07:31.26 | helix | but gphoto's not picking up on my usbness |
| 07:31.34 | CoffeeBreaks | and find perl 14963 www-data 3u IPv6 3617 TCP *:www (LISTEN) |
| 07:31.44 | peterS | helix: does lsusb pick up your ports? |
| 07:31.49 | peterS | (and your camera) |
| 07:31.51 | ke6isf | CoffeeBreaks: What is that pastebin from? |
| 07:31.58 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: netstat -plaunt |grep :80 |
| 07:32.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 362] by debhelper |
| 07:32.03 | CoffeeBreaks | cat /proc/14963/cmdline gives /usr/local/apache/bin/smb -start |
| 07:32.04 | peterS | I mean, gphoto could fail for unrelated reasons, one never knows |
| 07:32.06 | helix | peterS: lsusb lists non-descript things |
| 07:32.08 | Skiver | Guerin : nothing, purely a desktop here. I think some messages are sent to ROOT sometimes, only. |
| 07:32.12 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: investigate the pid |
| 07:32.16 | peterS | describe the non-descript |
| 07:32.16 | helix | peterS: well, it claims to be failing because there is no usb device |
| 07:32.18 | CoffeeBreaks | look up |
| 07:32.24 | Guerin | Skiver: ok. ssmtp should do what you need. |
| 07:32.26 | CoffeeBreaks | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.27 | helix | peterS: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 07:32.30 | CoffeeBreaks | :( |
| 07:32.39 | Guerin | Skiver: apt-get install ssmtp; should do it |
| 07:32.39 | peterS | helix: right, that's a root hub, i.e., ports built in to the motherboard |
| 07:32.43 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: so investigate |
| 07:32.45 | CoffeeBreaks | then I searched the /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 07:32.57 | helix | perhaps I should do the obvious thing and make absolutely sure that my cable is definitely plugged in |
| 07:33.00 | peterS | it doesn't see other devices though? I mean besides the 0000:0000 hubs |
| 07:33.03 | CoffeeBreaks | and found this strange 'download' by the time the process was started... |
| 07:33.11 | peterS | helix: and you have both uhci-hcd and ehci-hcd loaded? |
| 07:33.13 | helix | peterS: it doesn't appear to pick up any usb events when I plug / unplug |
| 07:33.16 | helix | I think so |
| 07:33.17 | CoffeeBreaks | download that apache2 has no business doing |
| 07:33.23 | peterS | 'cause you do need both |
| 07:33.26 | helix | yes, I do |
| 07:33.33 | helix | isn't uhci just for 1.1? |
| 07:33.40 | peterS | yes, and ehci is just for 2.0 |
| 07:33.43 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: nuke your machine and restore from backups once you're done investigating |
| 07:33.43 | ke6isf | !tell CoffeeBreaks -about enter |
| 07:33.50 | peterS | so unless you're sure about which one your device will want to use, you'd best have both |
| 07:33.53 | Guerin | anyway |
| 07:33.55 | helix | then in theory you don't need both if your'e sticking to one protocol or the other? |
| 07:34.00 | Skiver | Guerin : it's going to remove mysql-server, i need that for php projects. |
| 07:34.00 | helix | or you're |
| 07:34.10 | helix | in any case, I have both |
| 07:34.10 | nvz | I've been interested in the Zaurus for years but everytime I think I've found one for sale they are gone. TigerDirect had them listed a few years ago and I was on the phone with credit card in hand and they didnt have any more |
| 07:34.11 | peterS | helix: well, if you know your devices will negotiate the right one, the one you picked |
| 07:34.24 | peterS | ...so. no events and lsusb doesn't see anything other than hubs? |
| 07:34.27 | CoffeeBreaks | http://rafb.net/paste/results/zVT35718.html |
| 07:34.29 | Guerin | Skiver: mysql-server should work fine with ssmtp - you might have to reinstall it after |
| 07:34.30 | helix | correct |
| 07:34.40 | Varanger | which is better pio mode or dma mode? |
| 07:34.45 | Guerin | Varanger: dma |
| 07:34.45 | peterS | and does dmesg show any whining at any time during this process? |
| 07:34.46 | Alpha1 | is there an easy way to rebuild the package database? |
| 07:34.50 | Guerin | Varanger: if you hardware supports it |
| 07:34.51 | helix | bob2 says I may have to boot with noapic or nolapic |
| 07:34.57 | Guerin | Alpha1: dselect update |
| 07:34.59 | caphuso | nvz: chapter 25 in the user's guide available at http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?product=351775&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&dest_page=product& |
| 07:35.00 | helix | peterS: no, dmesg indicates things are going swimmingly |
| 07:35.01 | nvz | ApEtc: apt-get update? |
| 07:35.03 | helix | besides the lack of events |
| 07:35.06 | Alpha1 | ta Gurein |
| 07:35.15 | Varanger | Guerin: I have a pretty new hardware (less than 6 months), it must support dma... right? |
| 07:35.20 | Guerin | np Aplah1 |
| 07:35.24 | peterS | helix: eh, lovely. you'd think if you needed noapic or nolapic the kernel log would indicate problems with irq routing. but I guess not always. |
| 07:35.27 | Guerin | Varanger: no idea. |
| 07:35.51 | peterS | helix: you *do* have uhci and ehci ports? here is how to be sure: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 07:35.53 | Varanger | Guerin: there is a file /proc/ide/ide0/hda/settings where it says using_dma=0 ... it means it isn't using dma |
| 07:36.01 | Skiver | Guerin : the data in mysql-server will be lost then ? |
| 07:36.02 | Varanger | Guerin: How can I enable it ? |
| 07:36.03 | Guerin | Varanger: use hdparm to set it |
| 07:36.26 | helix | peterS: [OHCI]) [OHCI]) [EHCI]) |
| 07:36.36 | peterS | helix: ohci? need ohci-hcd then |
| 07:36.43 | Guerin | Skiver: not unless you have told it to purge databases, and do apt-get remove --purge mysql-server |
| 07:36.49 | peterS | helix: dang, I could've sworn nforce was uhci |
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| 07:36.55 | peterS | apparently so could bob2've |
| 07:37.00 | helix | oh there we go |
| 07:37.02 | helix | sort of |
| 07:37.24 | helix | and we have lift off |
| 07:37.25 | peterS | sort of? like lsusb sees more stuff? |
| 07:37.26 | helix | winn0r |
| 07:37.39 | helix | yeah |
| 07:37.43 | peterS | helix: ok now tell dpkg to get me a coffee or a beer or some AOL CDs or something |
| 07:37.45 | helix | but I had something I didn't recognize plugged in |
| 07:37.54 | helix | peterS: hm. could I just say thank you? |
| 07:38.18 | peterS | hmmmm. yeah, I guess. |
| 07:38.18 | helix | that's all I planned to do, but if it's not WITTY... |
| 07:38.18 | Skiver | Guerin : ssmtp has broken dependencies =[ |
| 07:38.24 | peterS | helix: come to think of it, thanks from a person are kind of nicer than thanks from a bot anyway |
| 07:38.35 | helix | word, go gphoto2, go |
| 07:38.51 | Guerin | Skiver: wtf |
| 07:39.00 | Guerin | Skiver: try nullmailer instead |
| 07:39.02 | helix | peterS: well, I appreciate all of the "beer" I get; it has such a personal touch to it |
| 07:39.12 | Guerin | tey both do much the same thing. Are you running sid? |
| 07:39.33 | nvz | caphuso: cool. though that machine costs $179 and I have yet to determine if there is something better for less. I still cant find a Zaurus retailer with a solid price and stock. If I am going to buy hardware for over $100 I would prefer to get something I will use more often. I rarely ever used my TI-83+ and it cost around $110 or so. |
| 07:39.35 | peterS | helix: the problem with that, to me, is that I haven't heard of half the brands dpkg pours for people, outside the factoid itself |
| 07:39.50 | helix | I haven't either |
| 07:39.57 | Guerin | peterS: that's because you're from kansas |
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| 07:40.11 | Guerin | where they only have wheat beer and corn beer |
| 07:40.13 | peterS | Guerin: no, it's because I'm anti-beer in general |
| 07:40.13 | Guerin | or somethin' |
| 07:40.17 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:40.21 | Guerin | even worse! |
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| 07:40.34 | peterS | Guerin: they have beer festivals here, you can taste hundreds of brews for $20. I don't go to them. there was one today actually, IIRC. |
| 07:40.55 | Guerin | peterS: Midwest Mayhem! |
| 07:41.01 | Skiver | Guerin : same. libc6 and libgcc1 latest version not found. |
| 07:41.05 | peterS | Guerin: I support the right to imbibe in whatever swill one wishes, but I just haven't ever had a sip of beer I could stand, so far |
| 07:41.10 | chealer | peterS, can we see your geek ID card? |
| 07:41.17 | Guerin | Skiver: why are you mixing branches of debian? |
| 07:41.34 | helix | because he wants to start a fire |
| 07:41.41 | peterS | chealer: are you doubting that I belong with that first tier of geeks, then? I'm not sure I would anyway |
| 07:41.46 | Guerin | peterS: that passes with time |
| 07:41.52 | helix | real geeks drink beer? |
| 07:41.59 | helix | is that like real geeks obsess over sci-fi? |
| 07:42.07 | peterS | Guerin: well, that assumes I'd actually want to grow to like beer. it's one of those things I don't really see the point of doing to myself |
| 07:42.08 | helix | peterS: you have no stars upon thars |
| 07:42.12 | Guerin | peterS: dunno ... you did manually work out the lat/long coordinates of your house |
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| 07:42.18 | peterS | true |
| 07:42.18 | chealer | helix, bah, that's just nerds |
| 07:42.19 | dacoc | hello! |
| 07:42.39 | concept10 | Any recommendations on foss ISP control panels? |
| 07:42.42 | helix | chealer: I can think of nothing /less/ geeky than voluntarily killing brain cells |
| 07:42.48 | Guerin | concept10: /bin/sh |
| 07:42.49 | peterS | helix: true SF nerds never call SF sci-fi. they actually take offense to that term. thus SF nerds who wish to be thought of as geeks would object there too |
| 07:42.56 | chealer | peterS, I'm not sure if there's a tier for geeks like you |
| 07:42.58 | Guerin | concept10: token luddite response |
| 07:42.59 | helix | did I offend someone? |
| 07:43.05 | peterS | oh I have no idea |
| 07:43.06 | EdLin | I hate most American name-brand beers, but microbrewery and some foreign beers I think are worth drinking. Of course my beverage of choice is caffeinated soda. |
| 07:43.07 | peterS | I'm just sayin' |
| 07:43.10 | helix | ok |
| 07:43.14 | helix | because I could, in the future |
| 07:43.18 | peterS | oh please do |
| 07:43.24 | helix | :) |
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| 07:43.30 | peterS | there's nothing wrong with making SF nerds go off in a huff from time to time |
| 07:43.38 | Guerin | peterS: agreed! |
| 07:43.42 | helix | there's nothing very satisfying about it either |
| 07:43.49 | Guerin | no challenge |
| 07:43.53 | peterS | sometimes it makes the room satisfyingly quieter |
| 07:43.53 | Guerin | it's like making goths sad |
| 07:43.58 | Nwallins | lol |
| 07:44.03 | helix | peterS: point |
| 07:44.04 | peterS | and here I'm using 'room' to denote a real life location, not an IRC channel |
| 07:44.06 | concept10 | Guerin, that sounds great, tell me more |
| 07:44.08 | chealer | Guerin, it's a good thing you're here |
| 07:44.12 | peterS | ...speaking of terminology misuse |
| 07:44.23 | Skiver | Guerin : i don't understand, I have only deb and deb-src in source-list. both unstable. from the beginning until now. what did i mix ? |
| 07:44.28 | Guerin | concept10: well... what do you want to know? |
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| 07:44.48 | helix | my pink belt > * |
| 07:45.08 | peterS | helix: what art do they issue pink belts in? |
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| 07:45.16 | nvz | peterS: fashion |
| 07:45.21 | Guerin | Skiver: if you only have one branch in your sources.list, either a) you wouldn't get libc dependency breakage; or b) said branch is horribly broken. |
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| 07:45.33 | Guerin | Skiver: try update/upgrade, then try again |
| 07:45.37 | nvz | peterS: at least afaik thats the only one |
| 07:45.40 | peterS | nvz: would a pink belt be able to beat a paisley belt? |
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| 07:45.50 | helix | nvz: you should've said fashism |
| 07:45.51 | nvz | peterS: I am not zoolander |
| 07:45.58 | Nwallins | Magnum! |
| 07:45.59 | peterS | helix: not bad, not bad |
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| 07:46.12 | helix | I could've thought of something better had I been on the ball |
| 07:46.12 | helix | alas |
| 07:46.16 | peterS | I struck a magnum-like pose recently. I'm not sure if anyone I was with caught the joke or not |
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| 07:46.35 | Nwallins | you have to say it, i think |
| 07:46.43 | peterS | I'm sure I didn't do it as well as mr. stiller, by a long shot |
| 07:47.00 | Nwallins | otherwise, people are just like, who does that jerk think he is? |
| 07:47.25 | peterS | it was topical. I forget the exact context, but 'zoolander' had been mentioned |
| 07:47.59 | nvz | you overestimate my vocabulary. Even if I knew those words its impolite for a yinzer to sound more educated than the rest of the group. When in rome, do as the romans do. When in da' burg, yinz better talk right innat |
| 07:48.00 | liable | hah, its so ridiculous its funny. |
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| 07:48.42 | Skiver | Guerin : there's no upgrade for months in the repository. it's ftp.au.debian.org, is there something wrong ? |
| 07:48.54 | nvz | I ammused even myself earlier when I said "ways" instead of "weighs" |
| 07:49.03 | peterS | someone sold me a package of fashion sense in 1991. unfortunately upstream stopped issuing upgrades right about the same time, so I'm kind of out of date |
| 07:49.05 | Guerin | Skiver: yes. If there's no upgrades, it ain't sid. |
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| 07:49.23 | nvz | I've spent too much time around unsophisticates |
| 07:49.37 | nvz | insophisticates maybe |
| 07:49.40 | helix | is that a disney movie? |
| 07:49.42 | Skiver | Guerin : can I have a copy of working source-list somewhere ? |
| 07:49.57 | Guerin | Skiver: apt-setup |
| 07:50.02 | RoundQube | hmmm my 7mbit dsl speed is now getting about 0.5mbit down after i changed isp's but isp's dont control that speed so im wondering what is up |
| 07:50.11 | ke6isf | Skiver: Use 'apt-setup' and make your own. |
| 07:50.19 | helix | Skiver: are you french? |
| 07:50.19 | peterS | nvz: 'unsophisticates', yeah. though I'm not sure if people ever use that as a noun, particularly |
| 07:50.32 | peterS | RoundQube: you didn't tell us what is up. you told us what was down. |
| 07:50.55 | RoundQube | peterS: my up is 896K, down is 7mbit but my actual up i haven't tested |
| 07:51.04 | RoundQube | 896Kbit, rather |
| 07:51.34 | peterS | they couldn't give you that last 4 kbit, could they, and called it 900 kbit |
| 07:51.44 | helix | haha |
| 07:51.46 | RoundQube | 896 is a power of 2 |
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| 07:51.53 | servus | It is |
| 07:51.53 | peterS | no it's not |
| 07:51.54 | Varanger | RoundQube: what is you average download speed? |
| 07:51.54 | servus | ? |
| 07:52.09 | servus | 512 * 2 = 896. I've been wrong all these years! |
| 07:52.16 | RoundQube | Varanger: avg is 0.5mbit but it was much faster with my last isp |
| 07:52.34 | helix | peterS: but there's an 8 in the front and a 6 on the end! |
| 07:52.36 | Varanger | in bytes/seconds? |
| 07:52.46 | peterS | helix: right so it's an Intel chip |
| 07:52.58 | helix | people who monitor upload and download speed are of questionable coolness |
| 07:52.58 | peterS | precursor to the 8086, presumably |
| 07:53.00 | ke6isf | RoundQube: In what base is it a power of two? |
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| 07:53.23 | RoundQube | not power of two, but power's of 2 rather |
| 07:53.33 | ke6isf | !tell RoundQube about apostrophe |
| 07:53.34 | helix | it's like a knife through my heart |
| 07:53.36 | Alpha1 | synaptic is reporting that I only have 14 packages installed, while infact I have squillions :( |
| 07:53.39 | RoundQube | in any case, there is no 900Kbit |
| 07:53.44 | Alpha1 | dselect update didn't fix it :( |
| 07:53.47 | servus | It's 896 * 2^0! |
| 07:53.48 | seekerr | Hello |
| 07:54.03 | Alpha1 | time for a reinstall? |
| 07:54.05 | peterS | RoundQube: you could say it's 7/8 of 1024, but that's the best you can do |
| 07:54.06 | Varanger | see you |
| 07:54.12 | Skiver | helix : no i'm chinese. |
| 07:54.19 | Varanger | peterS: I am leaving now... thank you |
| 07:54.19 | helix | oh man |
| 07:54.23 | helix | that brings back so many bad memories |
| 07:54.37 | peterS | Varanger: no problem |
| 07:54.37 | RoundQube | just wondering what happenned to the speed |
| 07:54.41 | helix | Skiver: do you ever fly china eastern airlines? |
| 07:54.56 | RoundQube | i know for a fact the isp does not throttle bandwidth |
| 07:54.57 | nkuttler | Alpha1: what did you do? how about aptitude, how many packages does it show? |
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| 07:55.29 | Skiver | helix : i'm chinese but my nationality is malaysian. if you can understand that. China is not my country. |
| 07:55.34 | Alpha1 | mkuttler: well dpkg -l only showed 14 too |
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| 07:55.41 | Alpha1 | this is after I installed lilo-conf |
| 07:55.44 | helix | Skiver: ah, I see. I can understand that :) |
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| 07:55.56 | helix | is malasia the one with the curly language? |
| 07:56.02 | helix | malaysia too |
| 07:56.28 | peterS | curly language? |
| 07:56.45 | nkuttler | Alpha1: well, you could apt-get install --reinstall all packages you find in /usr/share/doc/ or something similar, but a fresh reinstall would probably be better |
| 07:56.46 | CoffeeBreaks | for the curious http://supercomputerteam.00freehost.com/bot.txt contains all the groovy details of the script that was installed on my server. The server is off now. I am now on the #channel of those bastards. There are other computers there that have been hacked. |
| 07:56.55 | pacman | woop woop woop! nyuk nyuk. |
| 07:56.57 | nvz | Whats a GBP is that british currency? |
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| 07:57.10 | peterS | nvz: great britain pounds |
| 07:57.10 | Skiver | he means funny pronounciations i guess. |
| 07:57.12 | peterS | yes |
| 07:57.20 | helix | Skiver: no, I mean orthography |
| 07:57.33 | servus | Birds? |
| 07:57.33 | helix | I *think* some language used in malaysia has very curly letters and stuff |
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| 07:57.35 | helix | but I'm not sure |
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| 07:57.53 | Skiver | yes, that's jawi. |
| 07:58.01 | pacman | well, we do have cursive writing in English too. |
| 07:58.11 | Skiver | most of us don't know it nowadays. |
| 07:58.13 | helix | ah jawi |
| 07:58.14 | peterS | there are curly letters in a lot of writing systems, yeah |
| 07:58.30 | peterS | thai looks kind of curly to me |
| 07:58.31 | pacman | Arabic writing always looks curly to me. |
| 07:58.34 | Skiver | abc is the only common character. |
| 07:58.35 | RoundQube | peterS: like arabic |
| 07:58.37 | helix | oh maybe thai is what I meant |
| 07:58.41 | helix | jawi isn't looking curly enough |
| 07:59.01 | peterS | well, really I was thinking devanagari looked curly, but arabic might be more so |
| 07:59.14 | helix | devanagari isn't very curly to me |
| 07:59.16 | peterS | the one that's not curly would be hebrew |
| 07:59.18 | RoundQube | beautiful language |
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| 07:59.55 | peterS | well, and cyrillic, it's probably less curly than latin |
| 08:00.00 | Alpha1 | *so* |
| 08:00.14 | peterS | if only because lowercase letters don't really have separate forms |
| 08:00.31 | Alpha1 | err, I mean *sob*, ta nkuttler |
| 08:01.10 | nvz | wtf |
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| 08:01.23 | nvz | pricewatch must have gone down for maint. |
| 08:01.24 | EdLin | peterS: Hebrew has a script and a couple of script-like fonts that are somewhat curley. |
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| 08:01.42 | helix | http://www.dunstan.school.nz/dunstan/thai_text.gif |
| 08:01.47 | nvz | I am sitting here surfing and next think I know its telling me "Service Unavailable |
| 08:02.02 | Skiver | helix : how about sanskrit. |
| 08:02.08 | fooz | i wonder what the best way to put debian on my motorcycle is |
| 08:02.09 | peterS | Skiver: we covered that, that's devanagari |
| 08:02.12 | RoundQube | nvz: its up for me |
| 08:02.13 | peterS | Skiver: she doesn't think it's curly |
| 08:02.15 | peterS | helix: what does it say? |
| 08:02.28 | helix | why are you asking me? |
| 08:02.28 | RoundQube | nvz: im surfing there as well |
| 08:02.31 | helix | I don't read thai |
| 08:02.35 | nvz | RoundQube: hmm just came back. |
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| 08:02.50 | peterS | oh but you should. it's so curly. |
| 08:02.50 | nvz | RoundQube: must have decided to piss me off just for a minute |
| 08:02.55 | helix | I agree! |
| 08:03.05 | RoundQube | nvz: server should know better than to piss you off |
| 08:03.12 | peterS | I notice that page doesn't trust my browser to have any thai fonts |
| 08:03.21 | peterS | which is probably wise, since I probably don't, since I too do not read thai |
| 08:03.37 | fooz | thai looks like a mess |
| 08:03.37 | RoundQube | i, however, am still trying to figure out how to get yahoo launchcast working under linux |
| 08:03.41 | nvz | RoundQube: I know I am sitting here shopping.. wtf! |
| 08:03.42 | Skiver | yeah thai letters are curly. |
| 08:03.46 | RoundQube | hacked up and my own hacked up perl scripts dont work for shit |
| 08:03.58 | peterS | if it tried to render actual thai text, I suspect my machine would be a thaibreaker |
| 08:04.00 | RoundQube | nvz: shop on newegg.com =) |
| 08:04.08 | nvz | I may end up getting a cheap old laptop. this shopping around is making me tired |
| 08:04.16 | pacman | boooo. |
| 08:04.21 | peterS | nvz: ha. after what you said earlier? |
| 08:04.22 | RoundQube | im waiting for day after thanksgiving to buy a laptop |
| 08:04.32 | RoundQube | just sit outside best buy for like 4 hours for the sales |
| 08:04.42 | nvz | this Thinkpad 600E is starting to look really good just cause its on my screen right now |
| 08:04.46 | Skiver | speaking about thai, do you guys know in some provinces of thailand, they actually have curfew for internet usage. |
| 08:05.00 | nvz | peterS: I want something with less stress attached to it :P |
| 08:05.03 | peterS | RoundQube: is that one of those days you have to get in line at 4 AM to get into the store before they run out of stock on whatever stupid promotion they'll have? |
| 08:05.17 | RoundQube | peterS: yup, thats it |
| 08:05.22 | RoundQube | i bought three laptop's last year |
| 08:05.26 | RoundQube | going to buy more this year |
| 08:05.29 | peterS | !' |
| 08:05.29 | dpkg | How to Use Apostrophes: http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif |
| 08:05.33 | nvz | peterS: the zaurus for example, while essentially the same thing.. is specifically designed for linux and for being toted around constantly |
| 08:05.42 | Skiver | Guerin : apt-get is upgrading now, guess i shouldn't use synaptic anymore. thanks. |
| 08:05.45 | RoundQube | my roomate and i have like 6 laptop's between the two of us right now, not to mention other goodies =) |
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| 08:05.58 | peterS | RoundQube: wow, that sounds really useful |
| 08:06.02 | concept10 | RoundQube, have you tried streamtuner? |
| 08:06.04 | X2 | g'day fellas |
| 08:06.07 | peterS | RoundQube: for those times when 4 of your laptops are on the blink |
| 08:06.08 | RoundQube | peterS: is it |
| 08:06.13 | Skiver | hi X2. |
| 08:06.13 | fooz | zauruses are designed to be expensive :/ |
| 08:06.16 | fooz | and japanese |
| 08:06.18 | RoundQube | concept10: never heard of that, but i will resarch that. Thanks. |
| 08:06.22 | nvz | peterS: I want something I can walk around at work with and monitor production. in order to do this it needs to keep accurate time, and be flexibly reprogramed on the fly to new things |
| 08:06.44 | nvz | peterS: in my experience laptops are usually anything but portable. |
| 08:06.49 | concept10 | RoundQube, streamtuner is the greatest thing for streaming music, also get streamripper |
| 08:06.54 | peterS | nvz: if this is going to be used on the job, get work to pay for it and then get the best zaurus you can find |
| 08:06.58 | X2 | is there a script or something that i can get that could recursevely replace all the _'s in filenames to spaces? |
| 08:06.59 | nvz | they are usually just piles of junk waiting to happen |
| 08:07.00 | RoundQube | peterS: some are fast and not so portable and others are portable |
| 08:07.16 | RoundQube | concept10: not music, but videos. thats why i use launchcast |
| 08:07.21 | fooz | get a libretto |
| 08:07.29 | servus | X2: apt-get install rename && rename 'y/_/ /' * |
| 08:07.40 | X2 | thanks |
| 08:07.42 | X2 | :) |
| 08:07.43 | servus | Or s/_/ / |
| 08:07.43 | peterS | X2: find /starting/here -depth -print0 | xargs rename 'y/_/ /' |
| 08:07.45 | RoundQube | X2: more people replace spaces with _'s |
| 08:07.52 | X2 | :) |
| 08:07.53 | peterS | servus: with s/// you need a /g |
| 08:07.59 | servus | Not with rename. |
| 08:07.59 | X2 | im going back the other way |
| 08:08.04 | nvz | peterS: they arent going to pay for it. I dont _need_ it for work. I _want_ it. |
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| 08:08.13 | peterS | servus: really? rename repeats the regex until it stabilizes? that seems pretty wrong |
| 08:08.15 | helix | "thats" and "laptop's" |
| 08:08.16 | helix | it hurts |
| 08:08.35 | fooz | it hurt's |
| 08:08.44 | helix | OMFG IT'S SLOWER |
| 08:08.49 | servus | touch a_b_c.test && rename 'y/_/ /' test && ls *test: a b c.test |
| 08:08.50 | nvz | my job doesnt require a PC. being a geek and that I have way too much time on my hands at work _I_ require one |
| 08:08.52 | concept10 | RoundQube, oh videos... I havent seen a video on launchcast since I switched to linux exclusively, check the mozilla firefox page |
| 08:09.02 | mhall | What causes system calls to set errno to EINTR? I'm not particularly clear on all the ways this can happen. |
| 08:09.02 | peterS | servus: yeah that's y///, I said s/// |
| 08:09.05 | fooz | i miss my thinkpad 600x :( |
| 08:09.17 | peterS | mhall: mainly if you kill() a process while it's in a system call |
| 08:09.20 | MrHart | Hi, how come that Konquoror and Firefox are so slow at debian? Should I adjust something in the properties? |
| 08:09.22 | helix | I want an old laptop to server as my firewallz0r |
| 08:09.26 | servus | s/ needs the /g but y/ doesn't. |
| 08:09.28 | fooz | helix, why? |
| 08:09.30 | RoundQube | concept10: its that launchcast uses wmv/windows media player exclusively and i've ran into tons of google searches where ppl have similar probs |
| 08:09.30 | peterS | mhall: and the signal is trapped to a signal handler, then the signal handler returns |
| 08:09.31 | helix | because a full computer is just too fucking big |
| 08:09.38 | fooz | helix, buy a linksys box. cheaper and more reliable.. |
| 08:09.41 | pacman | peterS: y/_/ / is not a regexp! it is a transliteration, like tr |
| 08:09.42 | servus | Oh whatever. |
| 08:09.48 | fooz | helix, get an NSLU and put linux on it. plug in 2 USB NICs |
| 08:09.49 | RoundQube | buy a pix 501 |
| 08:09.54 | helix | fooz: I'm scared of those |
| 08:09.54 | nvz | helix: want this HP Vectra VL? heh its pretty small |
| 08:09.58 | peterS | pacman: never said it was a regex, I'm saying s/// is |
| 08:10.12 | fooz | i want an NSLU2 :/ |
| 08:10.16 | mhall | peterS: What is the use of knowing this inside the process? I read that they have been not including it in the specs for the more modern calls because it was not helpful to programmers. |
| 08:10.18 | nvz | It's not been turned on in a while. so I must not need it for anything other than a desk orniment |
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| 08:10.30 | pacman | mhall: also it depends on whether the syscall is restartable and whether the signal handler has the SA_RESTART flag set on it |
| 08:10.45 | concept10 | RoundQube, try with the firefox extension called media player connectivity |
| 08:10.58 | RoundQube | concept10: hmm ill look into that as well, thanks |
| 08:11.07 | peterS | mhall: you might want to know because you might want to cancel that long select() or whatever because of some other signal that came in |
| 08:11.09 | fooz | helix, http://www1.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=640&scid=43 |
| 08:11.30 | concept10 | RoundQube, basically it allows you to choose what app launches what media stream |
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| 08:11.42 | bibe | hi all. I am looking for gdesklets-0.32 debian package, I need it to avoid weird behaviour of gdesklets shipped with gdesklets-data package (which is 0.32, while sarge ships gdesklets-0.33.1). Are there any site with "old" .debs? |
| 08:11.43 | fooz | helix, put linux on it and teach it to firewall instead of share disks |
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| 08:11.58 | peterS | fooz: the debian armeb port isn't ready for prime time yet, I thought...? |
| 08:12.01 | mhall | peterS: But... the EINTR only gets set by the select when the handler preempts it, and the select can't cancel itself... |
| 08:12.08 | fooz | how should i know? |
| 08:12.12 | RoundQube | concept10: awesome |
| 08:12.15 | mhall | peterS: So how does EINTR help you cancel the select? |
| 08:12.15 | fooz | distros are for puny little girlie men |
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| 08:12.19 | peterS | fooz: well, you said "put linux on it", that requires the armeb port, no? |
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| 08:12.32 | fooz | peterS, last i checked, linux didn't require debian, no |
| 08:12.33 | fooz | hehe |
| 08:12.34 | pacman | mhall, how else would you know what to do when select returns? |
| 08:12.41 | peterS | fooz: nah but helix probably does |
| 08:12.52 | fooz | well that's helix's problem |
| 08:12.58 | peterS | mhall: select gets EINTR, it can then use information gleaned from whatever the signal handler left behind to decide what to do about that |
| 08:13.03 | helix | I do require debian |
| 08:13.04 | pacman | sel=select(...); if(sel==-1 && errno==EINTR) { /* Do some stuff that's appropriate when you get interrupted */ } |
| 08:13.17 | concept10 | is it possible to run two web servers on one system, i.e. apache2 and lighttpd? |
| 08:13.23 | bibe | the only way to get those two packages in sync is to install from testing, but binary packages require a libc6 upgrade |
| 08:13.24 | nvz | helix: roughly 16.5x15.5x5inches Pentium MMX 233mhz 80MB EDO RAM bios says the HD is like 8GB but I think its actually a 20GB IIRC |
| 08:13.28 | peterS | helix: yeah talk to lennert on #d-d about whether the linksys gadget fooz mentioned will run debian armeb |
| 08:13.39 | helix | is lennert one of the armeb people? |
| 08:13.40 | nkuttler | concept10: sure, put them on different ports |
| 08:13.42 | fooz | i write an /sbin/init while i am booting by toggling it into core with the front panel switches |
| 08:13.45 | d0uglas | concept10: you betch'ya |
| 08:13.48 | helix | I could probably talk to him about thai as well |
| 08:13.56 | nvz | and it already has debian sarge on it |
| 08:14.05 | peterS | helix: he's belgian / flemish but who knows, he might speak thai |
| 08:14.12 | helix | he speaks other languages |
| 08:14.15 | nvz | yeah its a 20417MB I checked :P |
| 08:14.20 | peterS | helix: and yeah he's *the* armeb guy, the only one of the shadowy team of armeb porters who has shown us his real name |
| 08:14.24 | MrHart | no one does know this? :-( |
| 08:14.27 | helix | scary |
| 08:14.42 | fooz | i'm much too lazy/busy to work on anything computer related |
| 08:14.44 | helix | MrHart: knows what? |
| 08:14.47 | peterS | wait ... you know the guy well enough to know he speaks various languages, but you didn't know he's the armeb dude? |
| 08:14.47 | fooz | i'm running windows right now |
| 08:14.50 | MrHart | how come that Konquoror and Firefox are so slow at debian? Should I adjust something in the properties? |
| 08:14.52 | peterS | this seems a little odd |
| 08:15.02 | helix | peterS: why? I witnessed a conversation he had about language |
| 08:15.08 | concept10 | nkuttler, d0uglas : Okay, I understand using different ports but I do not understand how I go about routing to lighttpd instead of apache |
| 08:15.11 | helix | I haven't witnessed one about armeb, that I recall |
| 08:15.31 | mhall | pacman, peterS: I see now. Thanks. |
| 08:15.36 | peterS | well, I suppose if you know he's belgian it follows that he probably speaks several languages. that country isn't big enough for the number of official languages it sports (: |
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| 08:15.40 | fooz | peterS, well e probably speaks english (since you recommended e talk to em) and eir native language, at least.. |
| 08:15.50 | ke6isf | MrHart: What makes you think they're slow? It's running pretty fast for me. |
| 08:15.51 | mhall | About ARM, does it come in el and be like MIPS or what? |
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| 08:15.57 | ke6isf | MrHart: At least, Firefox is. |
| 08:15.57 | peterS | mhall: yep |
| 08:15.59 | pacman | mhall: and select() is rather special in that it _never_ restarts, regardless of the SA_RESTART flag. |
| 08:16.02 | june | hi |
| 08:16.10 | MrHart | It takes so long till a webpage is loaded |
| 08:16.17 | peterS | mhall: pretty much every modern CPU seems to support both endians in hardware, except x86 and amd64 |
| 08:16.18 | mhall | pacman: It'd be somewhat bad if it did wouldn't it? |
| 08:16.27 | mhall | pacman: Seems a bit antithetical to what it's for. |
| 08:16.33 | june | c[' |
| 08:16.34 | june | klh |
| 08:16.35 | june | kj |
| 08:16.42 | ke6isf | MrHart: That sounds like a problem with your connection. |
| 08:16.51 | nkuttler | concept10: well that's a completely different issue... read the documentation for your router |
| 08:16.51 | fooz | i used to speak english and line noise, but i'm rusty on my line noise |
| 08:16.53 | pacman | june has passed out on the keyboard... |
| 08:17.03 | mhall | peterS: sparc too? |
| 08:17.07 | mhall | peterS: I know PPC does. |
| 08:17.08 | fooz | but i think that roughyl translates as ... 'a/s/l?' |
| 08:17.11 | ke6isf | pacman: Was going to suggest cats attempting to communicate, but that's a little different. |
| 08:17.14 | peterS | mhall: no, sparc isn't a modern enough design, I guess |
| 08:17.17 | MrHart | ok, how can I solve it? (strange Kget works at full speed) |
| 08:17.18 | mhall | peterS: and how about itanic |
| 08:17.22 | peterS | mhall: it seems like everything designed since then does. |
| 08:17.34 | peterS | mhall: yes, itanium has both. it was required - Intel needed LE for windows, HP needed BE for HP-uX |
| 08:17.42 | mhall | peterS: ah makes sense |
| 08:17.49 | d0uglas | for those sony viaos with the externel video (monitor out/rca out) that you toggle around with the Fn+[whatever] buttons, that toggling is independent of the OS, right? in other words, I can confidently toss debian on one of these windows viaos and that would keep working without any need for additional warez for the video card configging? |
| 08:17.57 | d0uglas | specifically the rca out |
| 08:18.10 | concept10 | nkuttler, I know about portfowarding but believe me this crap router doesnt have any docs on it |
| 08:18.29 | mhall | peterS: alpha? |
| 08:18.30 | fooz | d0uglas, probably at a rudimentary level, but for other than text mode you probably need TV out support in X |
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| 08:18.41 | nkuttler | concept10: google it |
| 08:18.43 | peterS | mhall: no, alpha is only LE |
| 08:18.44 | peterS | mhall: bi-endian chips: mips, arm, ia64, ppc. somehow that seemed like more than just four when it was just in my head |
| 08:18.49 | mhall | peterS: s390? |
| 08:18.53 | peterS | no, just BE |
| 08:18.55 | concept10 | I mean how do I route using a dyndns domain name to say for example port 81 without people having to enter the port |
| 08:19.09 | d0uglas | fooz: as in the ati packages when i tried to deal with this on my desktop ... |
| 08:19.10 | mhall | peterS: s390 is pretty ancient isn't it |
| 08:19.12 | ke6isf | concept10: With a router. |
| 08:19.14 | peterS | yes |
| 08:19.15 | pacman | you don't! |
| 08:19.17 | mhall | peterS: 68k was only BE i think eh |
| 08:19.18 | d0uglas | ati-tv-on or whatever |
| 08:19.20 | nkuttler | concept10: that depends on your router. should be trivial to set up |
| 08:19.25 | pacman | just make your links say http://host:81/... it's not that hard. |
| 08:19.32 | peterS | and I believe powerpc LE is kind of a kludge. that's the feeling I get, at least, from the PPC Architecture Manual |
| 08:19.34 | nkuttler | concept10: your router surely has a telnet/http interface? |
| 08:19.39 | servus | concept10: If your ISP is blocking incoming traffic on port 80, you could get a proxy server on another website. |
| 08:19.44 | SimonRaven | no 68k is LE |
| 08:19.48 | fooz | or get another ISP |
| 08:19.51 | pacman | I got that feeling too... you can have a word whose bytes are non-contiguous |
| 08:19.55 | mhall | SimonRaven: oh that's right, then they went BE for ppc |
| 08:20.00 | SimonRaven | exactly |
| 08:20.12 | d0uglas | are viao video chips considered likely to be debianly-safe? |
| 08:20.12 | ke6isf | MrHart: I have no idea how to solve this problem. |
| 08:20.16 | concept10 | im just going to have to get this working on apache, im confused on that crap |
| 08:20.18 | fooz | how slack is a motorcycle chain supposed to be? |
| 08:20.24 | SimonRaven | the 'best' in that series is the amiga '060s |
| 08:20.25 | mhall | for me BE seems easier to deal with assembly-code wise |
| 08:20.29 | peterS | m68k is LE? wtf, I've been wrong for a decade about that one then |
| 08:20.36 | SimonRaven | mhall: ppc asm is very clean |
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| 08:20.51 | mhall | SimonRaven: i wrote some in MIPS and some in HC11 |
| 08:21.00 | peterS | though if you look at apple going from 6502 to 68000, sure they'd have wanted a LE chip |
| 08:21.04 | mhall | SimonRaven: tried sparc but the register windows tripped me out |
| 08:21.07 | MrHart | ke6isf: ok, thanks for your efforts anyway |
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| 08:21.26 | peterS | mhall: the register window concept is pretty weird. it must not be as good an idea as it seems, or other CPUs would have copied it |
| 08:21.32 | SimonRaven | mhall: i'm no coder (yet), heh, my knowledge is superficial |
| 08:21.50 | mhall | peterS: well the thing with it would be you get penalized if you do not want to save all of them |
| 08:22.06 | pacman | all the linux/include/asm-m68k/ files seem to indicate big-endian. |
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| 08:22.18 | peterS | mhall: right. like a fixed-size stack frame, can't use a bigger or smaller one without problems |
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| 08:22.32 | SimonRaven | i'd be surprised if m68k were BE |
| 08:22.32 | mhall | peterS: if you are in a normal chip you assemble your own frames according to the call convention and most of them do not require you to allocate to unused registers |
| 08:22.38 | peterS | pacman: *whew*. so I wasn't wrong this past 10 years or so? |
| 08:22.41 | SimonRaven | but i could be wrong |
| 08:22.48 | concept10 | maybe someone could help me get mod-rewrite working in apache2. I already have the package installed, what next a2enmod enables it, how do I keep it ? |
| 08:23.02 | SimonRaven | concept10: what? |
| 08:23.23 | IsoLnCHiP | Hi there. Does anyone have some experience with tftpd under debian? As in, might know the answers to some common pitfalls? ;) |
| 08:23.29 | concept10 | SimonRaven, you dont understand that? |
| 08:23.31 | peterS | yep, <asm-m68k/byteorder.h> includes <linux/byteorder/big_endian.h> |
| 08:23.42 | nkuttler | concept10: you may have to restart apache2. should be permanent |
| 08:24.06 | concept10 | nkuttler, let me try that |
| 08:24.12 | nkuttler | concept10: the docs at httpd.apache.org are great |
| 08:24.17 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:24.17 | d0uglas | for a 3ghz box with a 7200rpm HD with good cache running apache (for the sake of this hypothetical, pretty much nothing else), running reiserfs hosting an image pron site, the average file size of everything (from pics to html files) being around 12KB, bandwidth and other things not being an issue, could you comfortably expect apache to process over 100 requests per second? |
| 08:24.17 | dpkg | <debianstarfish> can i get to the internet from here? |
| 08:24.18 | peterS | concept10: yeah, a2enmod should be all you need other than 'apache2ctl graceful' or whatever, to restart apache |
| 08:24.19 | SimonRaven | concept10: it's not clear what you want to do, since you seem to be unclear on a couple of things. also, what do you mean by 'how do i keep it'? |
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| 08:24.28 | concept10 | nkuttler, no docs |
| 08:24.33 | SimonRaven | ok, i was wrong. sorry folks |
| 08:24.38 | peterS | 's ok |
| 08:24.45 | IsoLnCHiP | Im getting the error "cannot set groups for user nobody" when I try to download something, and the client just times out. nobody and nogroup exist and the file Im trying to retrieve is worldreadable. Im at a loss... |
| 08:24.47 | SimonRaven | concept10: apt-get install apache2-doc |
| 08:24.48 | nkuttler | concept10: wtf, no docs? |
| 08:24.58 | tarzeau | d0uglas: 100 hits, that's easy |
| 08:25.02 | SimonRaven | plenty of docs... and excellent ones at that |
| 08:25.07 | tarzeau | d0uglas: matter of configuration |
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| 08:25.20 | concept10 | nkuttler, no docs for me tonight, doesnt work for me |
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| 08:25.25 | fooz | d0uglas, i'd say 0 requests per second due to reiserfs eating all your porn :( what a tragic loss |
| 08:25.26 | tarzeau | d0uglas: turn off access/error logging and dns lookups |
| 08:25.37 | nkuttler | concept10: oh, you prefer to ask here than to read the documentation, i see |
| 08:25.41 | tarzeau | d0uglas: you need lotsa memory for the box |
| 08:26.00 | mhall | peterS: i would suppose your problem would be in the end that'd you'd clog the cache lines and the memory bus in code that uses lots of frames |
| 08:26.09 | tarzeau | d0uglas: what's the url again? |
| 08:26.10 | zOrK | how i can manage a Network walkman on linux ? |
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| 08:26.15 | concept10 | nkuttler, no I rather read the docs and get it done, they are no help for me. Ive tried many, many times to no avail |
| 08:26.21 | mhall | peterS: cause on intel you'd just copy as few registers as possible |
| 08:26.22 | peterS | mhall: *nod*. that's always the problem with wasting memory. actual amount of memory used is kind of secondary to that |
| 08:26.22 | d0uglas | tarzeau: ok now let's say the system's image hosting setup is a php thing dependent on mysql as well .. but everything's tweaked real pretty-like.. still comfortably 100 reqs /sec? |
| 08:26.23 | zOrK | i'm alredy using "SonicStage" at win2 |
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| 08:26.32 | d0uglas | assambassador.com |
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| 08:26.33 | mhall | peterS: and on sparce you'd eat lots of bus on each call |
| 08:26.38 | tarzeau | d0uglas: oh, should be fine yes |
| 08:26.41 | peterS | yeah |
| 08:26.49 | zOrK | i'm s0x assemblying |
| 08:26.50 | zOrK | ahhaa |
| 08:26.50 | tarzeau | d0uglas: 100 hits/s is not much |
| 08:26.51 | mhall | peterS: there was a time when consumption was the problem now it's i/o |
| 08:26.53 | d0uglas | Okie doke.. time to expand my bid'ness |
| 08:26.59 | peterS | mhall: though at least you don't have to save / restore registers explicitly. so that saves some instructions |
| 08:27.07 | eXa_bOy | how do i extract a .gz file? |
| 08:27.11 | peterS | eXa_bOy: gunzip |
| 08:27.22 | mhall | peterS: even DDR 2 ram is not so fast i read now |
| 08:27.25 | eXa_bOy | aaah i was tring gzip |
| 08:27.37 | peterS | eXa_bOy: 'gzip -d' is the same as gunzip, note |
| 08:27.37 | mhall | peterS: er problem is there are a lot of registers on a sparc |
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| 08:27.55 | peterS | mhall: indeed |
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| 08:28.09 | concept10 | nkuttler, Basically I am trying to do this: Install a typo blog engine that is based on Ruby on Rails. I have the prerequisites installed. My apache config is not working for me. It uses FastCGI, and mod-rewrite. But I cant get the blog to show up!! |
| 08:28.11 | Debian-Shocked | how to configure internet. with sarge testing i used pppoeconf, i edited /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf. now with sarge stable this doesn't work. |
| 08:28.17 | eXa_bOy | ok then thats interesting... apache2's httpd-std.conf.gz is like that. |
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| 08:28.49 | peterS | Debian-Shocked: it's supposed to work. is pppoeconf now buggy? I know ppp itself changed its way of doing DSL stuff, but I thought pppoeconf changed accordingly |
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| 08:29.21 | Debian-Shocked | peterS, what i should to do? |
| 08:29.33 | SimonRaven | now i gotta wonder where i got the idea that m68k was LE... |
| 08:29.36 | d0uglas | tarzeau: well, for my hypothetical colo launch, those figures would require at least a 1,200,000/Bs pipe just to handle a steady average.. sounds expensive |
| 08:29.54 | d0uglas | er, 1200KB/s |
| 08:29.56 | peterS | SimonRaven: well, it's not RISC, and other not-RISC CPUs are often LE. like the VAX and the x86 |
| 08:30.12 | d0uglas | ... times 8, carry the two, divided by... |
| 08:30.26 | peterS | Debian-Shocked: you can run pppoeconf as usual and then edit /etc/network/interfaces to match my version of same |
| 08:30.38 | mhall | What is the GDB command to show the registers? |
| 08:30.47 | SimonRaven | peterS: yeh, that's probably what |
| 08:30.56 | peterS | mhall: I forget, 'dump' or something |
| 08:31.02 | pacman | info reg? |
| 08:31.14 | mhall | peterS: that's for RAM |
| 08:31.40 | pacman | you can print them with stuff like "print $r3" |
| 08:31.40 | d0uglas | Let's say my pron level was limited to R-rated stuff... somewhere between sports illustrated swimsuit issue and playboy-level raunchiness.. will google not do business with me simply because of the domain name, assambassador.com? |
| 08:31.40 | eXa_bOy | ok question. how do i remove apache2 all together dirctories and all? cause when i install it again its not adding /usr/bin/apache2 |
| 08:31.44 | peterS | Debian-Shocked: my 'interfaces' file includes 'auto lo dsl' and also 'iface dsl inet ppp' 'provider dsl-provider' 'pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up' |
| 08:32.09 | d0uglas | business meaning me selling ad space |
| 08:32.17 | pacman | info reg works |
| 08:32.20 | peterS | Debian-Shocked: where dsl-provider is the name of the ppp script in /etc/ppp/peers/ that pppoeconf creates |
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| 08:32.52 | Debian-Shocked | the screen resolution does'nt work too. i edited /etc/X11/XF86Config but now doesn't work (using sarge stable) |
| 08:33.03 | Debian-Shocked | ok peterS, i'll try that. |
| 08:33.07 | SimonRaven | eXa_bOy: because it's in /usr/sbin ... |
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| 08:33.16 | peterS | Debian-Shocked: you should have used 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' or edited XF86Config-4 (not XF86Config) |
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| 08:33.48 | Debian-Shocked | peterS , certainly i've edited config-4 |
| 08:34.00 | mhall | peterS: g0-g7 o0-05 sp o7 l0-l7 i0-i5 fp i7 y psr wim tbr pc npc fsr csr |
| 08:34.15 | peterS | mhall: yeah that's quite a few |
| 08:34.26 | peterS | mhall: I guess sp is output register 6? |
| 08:34.30 | mhall | peterS: and between frames you'd have to save o* l* i* i think |
| 08:34.37 | peterS | mhall: and fp is input register 6? |
| 08:34.37 | mhall | peterS: yeah they rename some of those |
| 08:34.42 | mhall | peterS: right |
| 08:34.50 | mhall | peterS: some kind of weird sun habit |
| 08:34.55 | Jerry | Hello. I want to see what one of the users has running in screen. I'm accessing his account via su <username> from root. But when I try to "screen -r <name>" I get the error: Cannot open your terminal "/dev/pts/2" - please check. Any ideas what the problem is? |
| 08:34.56 | concept10 | sluckety, sluck |
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| 08:35.13 | mhall | peterS: and it's sorta a waste in a way because fp isn't even needed. i think amd64 got rid of it |
| 08:35.23 | peterS | mhall: I'm guessing sp is stack pointer, copied from g6 to o6 at the beginning of a function |
| 08:35.27 | d0uglas | btw, for this server of mine pumping out requests averaging 12KB each, reiserfs the way to go? |
| 08:35.47 | fooz | d0uglas, it doesn't matter, it will all be in cache anyway. pick something reliable |
| 08:35.51 | Debian-Shocked | ok peterS, thank you. i try these now. |
| 08:36.14 | peterS | d0uglas: reiserfs is a good way to test your backup/restore strategy. we recommend ext3 or xfs for better statistical reliability |
| 08:36.19 | d0uglas | fooz: we got over 100K files making up that average |
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| 08:36.42 | d0uglas | by reliability you mean not crashing? |
| 08:36.43 | mhall | peterS: er no i6 to o6 or something i'd think eh |
| 08:36.46 | d0uglas | as fast? |
| 08:36.47 | mhall | peterS: g are global |
| 08:36.47 | fooz | I've had more than that in one directory with ext3 with no major performance problems |
| 08:36.53 | Debian-Shocked | peterS, xfs is better than reiserfs? |
| 08:36.54 | peterS | d0uglas: not crashing, not screwing itself up |
| 08:37.03 | d0uglas | ok. |
| 08:37.09 | mhall | peterS: maybe i've got it all crooked in my brain |
| 08:37.09 | SimonRaven | you could do hash_index if you wnated for ext3... |
| 08:37.15 | peterS | mhall: I thought there was a set of registers in between i and o. maybe that's l6 then? |
| 08:37.16 | SimonRaven | wanted* |
| 08:37.35 | mhall | peterS: g, o, l, i |
| 08:37.37 | SimonRaven | err, dir_index |
| 08:37.42 | pacman | ha! I've seen ext3 take several minutes to return from a single readdir() in a directory that big. |
| 08:37.42 | peterS | mhall: and I last studied sparc asm in 1994 so I probably have it crooked too |
| 08:37.47 | mhall | peterS: that's how it was dumped in gdb |
| 08:37.56 | fooz | d0uglas, of course, everyone hates some FS |
| 08:37.59 | SimonRaven | pacman: hence my suggestion of dir_index |
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| 08:38.10 | fooz | d0uglas, it's just that more people hate reiserfs in here |
| 08:38.11 | peterS | spambot! |
| 08:38.11 | fooz | hehe |
| 08:38.20 | ke6isf | peterS: Nah! |
| 08:38.22 | d0uglas | yeah well i apologize for laying out some fs-war bait |
| 08:38.29 | mhall | pacman: ! that's sort of weird since readdir does not ever guarantee an order |
| 08:38.32 | SimonRaven | no worries |
| 08:38.32 | ke6isf | !start an fswar |
| 08:38.37 | peterS | d0uglas: not so much a war, it's pretty one-sided. the reiserfs defenders are few and timid |
| 08:38.37 | ke6isf | !start an fs war |
| 08:38.38 | dpkg | xfs uses too much overhead! |
| 08:38.40 | fooz | pacman, sounds like a personal problem to me |
| 08:38.41 | fooz | hehe |
| 08:38.43 | d0uglas | do you think a lot of that hate lies in the german-sounding name? |
| 08:38.49 | mhall | pacman: it just has to find _any_ node in the dir |
| 08:39.05 | fooz | d0uglas, no. i bet ext3 lovers drive volkswagens |
| 08:39.07 | peterS | d0uglas: dunno, we know he's not german though, just an american with a german name |
| 08:39.08 | SimonRaven | d0uglas: nah, quality of the product |
| 08:39.12 | ke6isf | !reiserfs |
| 08:39.12 | dpkg | somebody said reiserfs was a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 08:39.18 | mhall | d0uglas: no i think it lies in the wacky guy behind it |
| 08:39.19 | pacman | yes, readdir should just be taking the first entry in the directory and giving it to me, there is no sorting or searching involve! but it can apparently pause for a long time anyway. |
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| 08:39.31 | mhall | d0uglas: he's really egotistical and always bragging about how fast his shit is |
| 08:39.46 | ke6isf | d0uglas: Aside from that, I've heard some people don't like the developer of the filesystem. Or maybe I'm thinking of djb, dunno. |
| 08:39.54 | pacman | some jobs ONLY reiserfs can do with any reasonable speed. |
| 08:39.57 | mhall | pacman: maybe a caching problem or something |
| 08:39.57 | peterS | mhall: well, it *is* fast. the problem is the priorities between fast and reliable |
| 08:40.04 | d0uglas | i see .. all's i was thinking was that i heard for small file handling it's the way to go, but in light of reliability .. hmm. |
| 08:40.09 | mhall | pacman: often those jobs are ones that should not be being done |
| 08:40.10 | fooz | d0uglas, the problem is that Hans Reiser is more like a used FS salesman than an FS designer |
| 08:40.21 | fooz | if you go by how much time he spends marketing and convincing people they should use/include reiserfs |
| 08:40.24 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 08:40.24 | ke6isf | d0uglas: Far as I'm concerned, ext[23] are pretty good. |
| 08:40.24 | peterS | d0uglas: some people report that it's rock solid. others (many others) report that they used to use it but they lost data at some point. |
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| 08:40.39 | d0uglas | Ok then, ext* it is! |
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| 08:41.10 | mhall | d0uglas: i'll help you set it up in exchange for free pr0n |
| 08:41.11 | fooz | d0uglas, the biggest technical problem is that the tools suck. all the journalling FSes have problems and corner cases, but all of them but reiserfs have tools that can recover things for you if they go wrong |
| 08:41.12 | d0uglas | ... though i still suspect the anti-anti-semitism bias in the debian world playing a role in this reiser bashing .. :) |
| 08:41.24 | peterS | d0uglas: from the stories it is hard to know whether reiserfs is a bad filesystem or just a filesystem that used to be bad long ago but has been solidified over the years. because people who have bad experiences usually don't stick with it up until the present day |
| 08:42.06 | pacman | I've run a lot of stuff on reiserfs and never saw it fail. but I don't use it for "ordinary" filesystems, just the ones that are going to be outside the range of stuff that ext3 handles well |
| 08:42.12 | d0uglas | well, it is relatively young developmentally speaking |
| 08:42.24 | ke6isf | d0uglas: Your suspicions are overrated. |
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| 08:42.36 | mhall | i think perhaps the biggest problem with reiser is that not enough people are looking at the code |
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| 08:42.45 | d0uglas | ke6isf: getting conflicting responses all over the place |
| 08:42.49 | peterS | d0uglas: it's not young enough to have any excuse for those kinds of bugs though. it's been around several years now |
| 08:43.05 | fooz | yeah and it's at version 4 now |
| 08:43.06 | mhall | from what i can tell ext[23] [xj]fs have a lot of very highly skilled eyes over a long span of time |
| 08:43.11 | tarzeau | d0uglas: that's not very much |
| 08:43.17 | SimonRaven | mhall: indeed |
| 08:43.19 | mhall | there are a lot of active devs on the xfs mailing list |
| 08:43.33 | tarzeau | d0uglas: you'll need good stuff to get that many hits... |
| 08:43.34 | peterS | mhall: well, the jfs linux port is not too widely used outside IBM shops, so I wouldn't be too sure of that one |
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| 08:43.46 | mhall | and with reiser, you just get hans, warts and all |
| 08:43.54 | SimonRaven | i was using xfs back in the 2.4 days, and it was stable back then |
| 08:43.56 | d0uglas | well, .. i'll just run reiser to be subversive, but i'll back up everything frequently on ext.. good compromise |
| 08:44.01 | fooz | SimonRaven, same here |
| 08:44.01 | peterS | mhall: of course, the jfs OS/2 port from which the Linux port was derived was well-tested. but porting something like that to a whole different OS *will* destabilize it |
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| 08:44.06 | fooz | back when it was new and popular |
| 08:44.12 | mhall | peterS: er yes but my understanding is an awful lot of ibm engineers from around the firm were involved |
| 08:44.13 | SimonRaven | still do ;) |
| 08:44.18 | d0uglas | tarzeau: i got big plans baby, big, grandiose plans |
| 08:44.21 | mhall | peterS: and did quite a bit of tests, etc. |
| 08:44.21 | fooz | i'm too lazy nowadays. i use ext3 |
| 08:44.23 | ke6isf | d0uglas: backups are just wise. Smart move there. Have fun. =^^= |
| 08:44.31 | d0uglas | thanks fellas |
| 08:44.32 | SimonRaven | though now i mix more: ext[23] and [xj]fs |
| 08:44.36 | fooz | which i've been playing with since it really was an unstable mess |
| 08:44.36 | peterS | mhall: could be. I still wouldn't trust it without hearing of more real world use than I have |
| 08:44.37 | mhall | peterS: i don't get the impression reading hans's monographs that he tests much |
| 08:45.01 | SimonRaven | ext2 i rarely use, i only use it for /boot partition on OldWorld Mac PPCs |
| 08:45.04 | d0uglas | well i've always been under the impression that like lunch, backupping is for pussies, but i guess that mantra is outdated |
| 08:45.08 | mhall | peterS: i never had a reason to need it, xfs is so fucking fast for me anyways |
| 08:45.23 | mhall | d0uglas: true in principle but now you're a pr0n server admin |
| 08:45.25 | fooz | d0uglas, paying subscribers to a porn site won't like downtime |
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| 08:45.33 | mhall | d0uglas: which is kind of like a big KICK ME sign |
| 08:45.49 | peterS | mhall: that seems to be everyone's thought. they either use ext3 for traditional stability, or xfs for speed, and there isn't really much of a niche where jfs seems better than either of them |
| 08:45.55 | mhall | d0uglas: so, see to it that you've got your walking stick for balance and your pistol for defense. |
| 08:45.57 | d0uglas | woah hey slow down first of all it's tasteful pr0n, second i'm going with the ad business model |
| 08:46.06 | mhall | peterS: yeah there is one |
| 08:46.24 | mhall | d0uglas: we never said it was bad pr0n! i'm not ever sure there's such a thing |
| 08:46.26 | peterS | fooz: you have to admit the customers would like the pussies that apparently backups are for, though |
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| 08:46.27 | fooz | jfs doesn't get a lot of testing either |
| 08:46.40 | fooz | peterS, that depends on the customers |
| 08:46.43 | d0uglas | lol |
| 08:46.49 | SimonRaven | jfs is pretty quick IME. almost as fast as xfs, and for certain things nice if you want to cut down on cpu usage |
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| 08:46.51 | d0uglas | sorry to say lol but that was funny peters |
| 08:46.53 | fooz | peterS, they might be TNA types |
| 08:46.54 | mhall | peterS: the upside for JFS would be logical volume management |
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| 08:47.14 | mhall | fooz: then again they might be one track minded |
| 08:47.17 | peterS | mhall: ah but does jfs really have any logical volume management the others do not? |
| 08:47.17 | SimonRaven | mhall: i've had bad luck combining LVM and jfs |
| 08:47.21 | fooz | mhall, can JFS hot resize in LVM? |
| 08:47.21 | mhall | fooz: the poontang track |
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| 08:47.31 | d0uglas | is there a dodge-copyright-litigation-HOWTO somewhere... :) |
| 08:47.34 | mhall | SimonRaven: i thought it had its own integrated utilities for LVM |
| 08:47.42 | mhall | SimonRaven: that were supposed to be pretty good |
| 08:47.49 | SimonRaven | can't recall, i'd have to look it up |
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| 08:47.52 | fooz | xfs can hot grow (not shrink) can it cold shrink? |
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| 08:48.03 | mhall | SimonRaven: let me do that since i made the claim |
| 08:48.05 | fooz | reiserfs can both hot grow and cold shrink i believe |
| 08:48.07 | peterS | mhall: I know it's used that way on AIX, but this is Linux, the LVM system shouldn't care much about the filesystem. except insofar as it wants to be able to tell the filesystem to resize itself |
| 08:48.07 | SimonRaven | it can't shrink period |
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| 08:48.09 | Nick_Hill | d0uglas, RMS makes an interesting speech at Cambridge. Covers patents and touches copyrights |
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| 08:48.35 | fooz | ext3 can't hot anything (unless the patches still work) |
| 08:48.39 | d0uglas | Nick_Hill: should i google that for the text or you think there's a recording somewhere |
| 08:48.47 | Nick_Hill | d0uglas, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/audio/audio.html#CAMB2002 |
| 08:48.49 | fooz | all that is really moot though, you won't ever be resizing FSes probably |
| 08:48.54 | SimonRaven | though the xfs devs are working on that shrinking point, so i hear |
| 08:48.55 | d0uglas | sweet |
| 08:48.58 | peterS | fooz: right, well, if I'm not mistaken, the ext3 version of e2online actually went into kernel 2.6.12 or thereabouts |
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| 08:49.09 | fooz | oh |
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| 08:49.12 | fooz | neat |
| 08:49.19 | SimonRaven | peterS: yeh i think .12 |
| 08:49.21 | peterS | fooz: I remember reading something to that effect awhile back and I'm thinking "gee, and it debuted as a patch to kernel 2.3.40 or so. long time." |
| 08:49.22 | fooz | i read that patch log and i don't remember it, maybe it was 2.6.11 |
| 08:49.48 | fooz | maybe i'll try it next year after i'm interested in computers again |
| 08:49.55 | peterS | coulda been 2.6.11. it wasn't all *that* long ago, anyway |
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| 08:51.11 | mhall | peterS: yeah from what i can tell in JFS, using LVM is actually mandatory |
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| 08:51.27 | mhall | peterS: it does not support partitions in raw form, it seems that it LVMs them itself |
| 08:51.27 | fooz | i love lvm |
| 08:51.28 | peterS | mhall: in AIX, yes. the Linux port was made from the OS/2 codebase though |
| 08:51.32 | mhall | peterS: hmm |
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| 08:51.53 | mhall | peterS: this seems to be talking about the linux rendition but ibm seems to have deleted most of their docs |
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| 08:52.01 | mhall | peterS: probably since they merged it to mainline |
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| 08:52.12 | peterS | mhall: if the linux port insists on creating ad hoc LVMs in some form, I'd be surprised it ever got merged |
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| 08:52.26 | peterS | I mean, I can imagine a lot of kernel developers going "WTF" |
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| 08:52.43 | mhall | peterS: well i think it's an inherent thing, JFS abstracts from partitions |
| 08:52.45 | nvz | I think if I buy a laptop I need to buy one with a supported 3d chipset since all my desktops have shitty video hardware. then I can play bzflag :) |
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| 08:52.53 | mhall | peterS: and looks at them as being LVM components |
| 08:53.20 | fooz | i'm pretty sure jfs works on partitions just fine |
| 08:53.21 | pandrew | hello. I have a default screen resolution of 80x25. I changed a kernel boot parameter(vga=1) to 80x50. It went ok, while it was booting, but when it finnished booting, it was restored to 80x25. What should i do? |
| 08:53.21 | peterS | this does seem true in AIX anyway, you are right about that |
| 08:53.24 | mhall | peterS: i think the idea would be, hodgepodge things together and the JFS won't freak out on you. |
| 08:53.34 | mhall | fooz: right but i think it views them as LVM segments |
| 08:53.44 | SimonRaven | fooz: it does |
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| 08:53.53 | mhall | fooz: i don't think it actually looks at anything as partitions overall |
| 08:53.55 | fooz | lvm segments as of kernel 2.6 are just device mapper nodes |
| 08:53.58 | fooz | there is no longer an LVM in the kernel |
| 08:53.59 | peterS | mhall: I remember once using JFS on a SCSI ZIP drive plugged into an RS/6000 running AIX. yes, I had to create a volume group on the ZIP disk first. PITA. |
| 08:54.23 | mhall | peterS: i'm imagining that the mkfs command makes a default one for you |
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| 08:54.52 | mhall | peterS: and then just puts a single member, the current partition |
| 08:55.15 | peterS | mhall: it may be structured that way on disk, but I hope the tools never expose that to the user |
| 08:55.22 | pandrew | is there another configuration file that i should check? |
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| 08:55.32 | mhall | peterS: i suppose they would expose it to you on request |
| 08:56.01 | mhall | peterS: so, probably use default settings and then let you tweak it if you need it for something, sort of like what XFS lets you do with RT subvolumes |
| 08:56.17 | peterS | mhall: *nod*. good analogy |
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| 08:56.33 | mhall | peterS: but if their LVM is good (which I heard it was) then why get rid of it? Linux LVM is sort of... half baked |
| 08:56.41 | peterS | pandrew: not sure what's changing your resolution back, but you can install and configure svgatextmode to set this any time you want, including during boot |
| 08:57.10 | pacman | fbset can also be changing the text mode, if using fbcon |
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| 08:57.19 | mhall | peterS: the problem I think JFS addresses here that everybody else only addresses poorly is that you very often don't know you need LVM until it's too late |
| 08:57.39 | mhall | peterS: by the time you figure out what's going on, you'd have to take down the box and rebuild the array |
| 08:57.48 | fooz | i've always got an LVM around |
| 08:57.52 | peterS | mhall: but jfs doesn't let you shrink a partition. so that doesn't help much. |
| 08:57.56 | pandrew | peterS: is it maybe when the other tty-s are opened? |
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| 08:58.10 | fooz | i just wish booting from an LVM volume inside a RAID volume inside a partition worked better on x86 |
| 08:58.10 | peterS | pandrew: there are multiple possibilities. I don't know which might be doing the dirty work |
| 08:58.44 | mhall | fooz: x86 is t3h b0rk about booting |
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| 08:58.52 | pandrew | does getty have a configuration file? - i think that the dirty one might be getty. |
| 08:58.54 | fooz | mhall, it doesn't work at all outside of x86 :) |
| 08:58.57 | peterS | fooz: oh, you just have to resign yourself to having a little /boot outside LVM. solves all your problems for only a small cost in disk space and flexibility |
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| 08:59.24 | fooz | ugh it's 2am |
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| 08:59.33 | mhall | fooz: what about with grub |
| 08:59.34 | SimonRaven | almost 5 here |
| 08:59.35 | Nick_Hill | On a different but related topic (what with file system, indirection etc). Theo Ts'o in a speech says there are no speed advantages in kernel 2.6 using a swap partition over a swap file |
| 08:59.36 | peterS | pandrew: no, just /etc/inittab for launching the gettys |
| 08:59.37 | mhall | fooz: that oughta work |
| 08:59.37 | pacman | if getty is changing the video mode, someone needs to shoot the getty maintainer IMMEDIATELY. |
| 08:59.37 | ke6isf | aw, crap, scp kind of stops after a while. |
| 08:59.42 | fooz | mhall, grub's too dumb for this |
| 08:59.45 | Debian-Shocked | peterS, i've tried. X server continues to not working at 1024x768 and internet continues to not working. |
| 08:59.50 | mhall | fooz: hmm |
| 08:59.55 | fooz | i use lilo for RAID booting |
| 09:00.01 | mhall | ke6isf: ssl ftp is faster than sftp/scp |
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| 09:00.11 | mhall | fooz: hahaha |
| 09:00.13 | peterS | Nick_Hill: true. there was only a small advantage in kernel 2.4 |
| 09:00.26 | Debian-Shocked | but i'm doing tha same that i did with sarge when it was testing... |
| 09:00.26 | peterS | Nick_Hill: I've been using swap files for years because they're more flexible than partitions |
| 09:00.29 | ke6isf | mhall: Plaintext ftp is even faster, and I don't feel like setting up ssl at this unGodly hour. =^^= |
| 09:00.34 | mhall | fooz: i always use lilo whenever possible, no install of grub i ever did with debian worked right the first time |
| 09:00.47 | mhall | ke6isf: encrypt the file then send with plain |
| 09:00.51 | mhall | ke6isf: ;-) |
| 09:01.16 | fooz | peterS, i've got RAID1s everywhere, two RAID devices per system -- a small (512MB or so) root FS, and the other for LVM |
| 09:01.18 | ke6isf | mhall: I don't care about the file, I'm just more concerned with passwords. It's just bouncing through my network hub to a machine on a table in front of me, after all. |
| 09:01.20 | Nick_Hill | peterS, The habit of swap partitions takes a while to wear off. |
| 09:01.27 | Nick_Hill | ..for me! |
| 09:01.34 | fooz | i use swap LVM volumes |
| 09:01.50 | peterS | Nick_Hill: have it your way, but swap files *are* more flexible. no need to decide ahead of time how big to make the partition (: |
| 09:01.51 | fooz | peterS, for machines with no RAID (laptops) I just tend to put the root FS in LVM |
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| 09:02.05 | SimonRaven | i started using swap files too, and also UUIDs to mount partitions |
| 09:02.05 | pandrew | i have an initd script with the following name: #linux |
| 09:02.07 | pandrew | oops |
| 09:02.16 | fooz | pandrew, hehe |
| 09:02.21 | mhall | ke6isf: ah yeah when that is a prob i set pass to 123456, do job, then change asap |
| 09:02.24 | Nick_Hill | peterS, I intend to use swap files |
| 09:02.24 | pandrew | i have an initd script with the following name: screen-cleanup |
| 09:02.25 | mhall | ke6isf: ;-) |
| 09:02.48 | ke6isf | You know, do I really need apache-perl? |
| 09:02.49 | Debian-Shocked | peterS, both xserver and internet continue to work like before (it means that don't work...) |
| 09:03.01 | mhall | ke6isf: i'm still not clear what it even does |
| 09:03.01 | peterS | pandrew: should be totally unrelated |
| 09:03.08 | mhall | ke6isf: i never seemed to need it for anything |
| 09:03.10 | fooz | EVMS will some day fix things if it ever gets merged |
| 09:03.19 | peterS | fooz: merged? it works today |
| 09:03.25 | fooz | peterS, not really |
| 09:03.34 | ke6isf | mhall: Well, if apache will function without it, I'm not going to complain. |
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| 09:03.38 | fooz | peterS, actually there's nothing to merge, all the changes are from the device-mapper project |
| 09:03.45 | fooz | EVMS, just like LVM, is entirely in user-space |
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| 09:03.50 | fooz | but the collection of patches is unwieldy |
| 09:03.52 | mhall | ke6isf: it's actually a separate Perl apache demon |
| 09:04.02 | peterS | fooz: what remains to be merged? I thought kevin corry got his device mapper patches merged a year or two ago |
| 09:04.05 | mhall | ke6isf: it's not needed afaictfme |
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| 09:04.12 | fooz | peterS, there's always more |
| 09:04.19 | bibe | mhall : most people don't need any apache2 feature, so they stays with apache |
| 09:04.33 | mhall | ke6isf: This version of Apache contains the mod_perl module statically linked. |
| 09:04.47 | fooz | and they're infrequently synced.. |
| 09:04.47 | mhall | bibe: to me apache2 seems faster even with prefork mpm |
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| 09:04.50 | pandrew | I think that i found it. I have the console-tools package installed. i think that it sets the screen fonts , and with this it also sets the screen resolution |
| 09:04.51 | ke6isf | mhall: Then I can safely -purge remove it. =^^= |
| 09:04.54 | peterS | mhall: the apache2 config file layout is confusing and intimidating. and those of us who have been using apache 1.3 for 5 years don't see any point in "upgrading" to something that isn't any better |
| 09:04.58 | mhall | ke6isf: quite |
| 09:04.59 | fooz | ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/dm/patches/2.6-unstable/2.6.12-rc2/2.6.12-rc2-udm1/ |
| 09:05.04 | d0uglas | one more question.. just graduated from college and i'm wondering if i should pursue my pie in the sky pr0n tycoon dreams versus getting a ratrace nine to five, provided that if I go the route of the former, I use debian? |
| 09:05.07 | fooz | that's the latest .. an old 2.6.12 RC |
| 09:05.07 | peterS | pandrew: right, that'll be it |
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| 09:05.30 | Nick_Hill | mhall, Inertia. Without good reason to move, people stick with what they are used to. I chose to stick with 1.3 as I know it, it does what I need, and because It dates back, probably has a smaller memory size. |
| 09:05.30 | mhall | d0uglas: dude try the pr0n thing while you still can |
| 09:05.32 | peterS | pandrew: if you install svgatextmode you can manage screen fonts along with text resolutions (it's all in /etc/TextConfig) |
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| 09:05.46 | d0uglas | mhall: thanks that's all i needed to hear :) |
| 09:05.49 | d0uglas | so it's settled |
| 09:05.55 | mhall | d0uglas: remember 9/10 start-ups fails but the 1 that doesn't makes back enough to cover the 9 |
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| 09:06.06 | fooz | also EVMS is a bitch to get working in an initrd, but that's a personal problem I guess |
| 09:06.08 | mhall | d0uglas: look at it this way |
| 09:06.09 | d0uglas | yeah but i got rich forgiving parents |
| 09:06.15 | mhall | d0uglas: if it works then you score big time |
| 09:06.18 | Debian-Shocked | internet and xserver don't work in sarge stable like they worked in sarge testing. that don't work but i do the same of that in sarge testing... |
| 09:06.24 | pacman | SVGATextMode doesn't really change the font, it just calls setfont^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hconsolechars -f |
| 09:06.29 | d0uglas | sort of like ... gambling odds and payouts! |
| 09:06.32 | bibe | mhall : I don't have any production test, I had to migrate some customers' servers to apache2 for a single apache2 feature, needed by a CMS |
| 09:06.34 | mhall | d0uglas: and if it doesn't you leech some cash from mom and pop and go apply to google or something |
| 09:06.37 | fooz | i don't use their initrd, or LVM's, I made my own with both |
| 09:06.37 | peterS | pacman: indeed, but that's a detail |
| 09:06.48 | mhall | d0uglas: it's completely like gambling |
| 09:06.51 | mhall | bibe: doh! |
| 09:06.59 | d0uglas | i love gambling |
| 09:07.08 | peterS | mhall: dunno, I think gambling would be more fun than trying to run a startup |
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| 09:07.11 | d0uglas | i love pron, i love helping people, |
| 09:07.22 | mhall | d0uglas: then duh go run a pr0n site and see how it goes |
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| 09:07.23 | d0uglas | and i love debian [to keep this on-topic] |
| 09:07.25 | bibe | mhall : but I stayed with apache wherever possible |
| 09:07.27 | mhall | peterS: i don't know about that |
| 09:07.33 | pandrew | ok, i'm rebooting, brb |
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| 09:07.36 | Debian-Shocked | internet and xserver don't work in sarge stable like they worked in sarge testing. that don't work but i do the same of that in sarge testing... |
| 09:07.49 | mhall | peterS: start-ups are fun to run if you love the field, it's just hard and busy |
| 09:08.01 | mhall | peterS: but most people who did it say they wouldn't change a thing |
| 09:08.07 | mhall | peterS: so it can't be that bad |
| 09:08.11 | peterS | d0uglas: the pr0n market seems kind of saturated. I mean yeah there's plenty of demand but it seems to me there's more than enough supply (it's a virtual marketplace, so it's not like a single supplier can easily get more customers than he can handle) |
| 09:08.22 | d0uglas | ok, i'll do this... i think i might be a little manic right now but screw it time to get decisive |
| 09:08.38 | d0uglas | peterS: maybe but not the tasteful pron market, plus i got ideas to give me an edge |
| 09:08.42 | mhall | d0uglas: you might as well, when i get out in may i was figuring to try some crazy shit myself |
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| 09:08.52 | peterS | d0uglas: *shrug*. it's your time and money. |
| 09:08.53 | d0uglas | i'm banging out an investor relations pron page now |
| 09:09.11 | mhall | d0uglas: then i'll hit the normal job market for a while and hit grad school |
| 09:09.12 | d0uglas | well no i'm using my mom's dsl link so it's not so much my money |
| 09:09.15 | peterS | do the investors get free premium accounts? |
| 09:09.19 | d0uglas | unless you take my inheritance into consideration |
| 09:09.31 | mhall | peterS: he said his parents were rich and forgiving and he just graduated |
| 09:10.03 | mhall | peterS: might as well gain experience and skills and have fun before the bills pile up, etc. and you have to move to a more regularized career of busting your ass for 50-60 straight years |
| 09:10.12 | peterS | I sure hope you aren't trying to run a pr0n server over home DSL. there's no way you could keep up with traffic for anything close to what a colo server would cost you |
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| 09:10.45 | d0uglas | well that is true, if the site fails, i still was at least improving my debian skills |
| 09:10.51 | mhall | peterS: i was reading an article that said that tech companies prefer hiring employees that have real-life start-up experience and don't care if it failed |
| 09:11.00 | peterS | just about everything related to pr0n serving is high-bandwidth, no? |
| 09:11.15 | mhall | d0uglas: yeah what i learned when i took a break from class and went to work was that you can bank on good UNIX skills |
| 09:11.16 | d0uglas | i'm just sticking to images |
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| 09:11.19 | d0uglas | high res albeit |
| 09:11.21 | Nick_Hill | The pr0n market also depends on where you are. Probably burgeoning outside the US with the new gov't restrictions. |
| 09:11.23 | peterS | i.e., *not* what you want at the far end of a DSL line |
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| 09:11.41 | mhall | d0uglas: every big company in the world has huge amounts of UNIX projects to be done |
| 09:11.54 | Nick_Hill | Meaning those companies with operations outside the US are doing better |
| 09:12.00 | mhall | and there aren't that many people out there with really good UNIX skills to do the jobs |
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| 09:12.40 | d0uglas | peterS: my site pulled in over 2000 30 minute visits a day after a month of launching with no more than a couple karma whoring slashdot posts with it in my sig |
| 09:12.42 | mhall | Nick_Hill: yet another industry that america is fucking up |
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| 09:12.52 | mhall | Nick_Hill: we've fucked up so incredibly many |
| 09:12.52 | d0uglas | i meant no more promotion |
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| 09:13.03 | mhall | d0uglas: what is the url |
| 09:13.12 | d0uglas | assambassador.com |
| 09:13.22 | d0uglas | (http://assambassador.com:80/index.php) |
| 09:13.37 | peterS | hmmm so the domain name includes 'samba' in it. I wonder if the open source project of that name minds |
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| 09:14.04 | peterS | ke6isf: not for the index.php? |
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| 09:14.09 | d0uglas | he asked for the url |
| 09:14.24 | ke6isf | peterS: That could be a minor misconfiguration, but yeah, that would qualify it as well. |
| 09:14.29 | d0uglas | peterS: i might have been using .php4 extensions |
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| 09:14.49 | ke6isf | d0uglas: You don't need to put ':80' into an http URL. http is explicitely port 80. |
| 09:14.53 | peterS | d0uglas: or you might have configured your web server to serve the index page of *whatever* language you were using, without having to specify it at all |
| 09:15.04 | mhall | ke6isf: NO! implicitly |
| 09:15.26 | ke6isf | mhall: That too. I need to sleep, but I'm finishing resetting my server. |
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| 09:15.33 | mhall | !troutslap ke6isf |
| 09:15.39 | d0uglas | how about some benefit of the doubt that i know that stuff and was making a joke on his asking for the url instead of the site |
| 09:15.43 | mhall | ~troutslap ke6isf |
| 09:15.46 | apt | ACTION slaps ke6isf around with a large trout |
| 09:15.51 | mhall | ke6isf: ;-) |
| 09:15.59 | ke6isf | mhall: Heh =^^= |
| 09:16.01 | d0uglas | man you guys like to bust balls |
| 09:16.21 | peterS | d0uglas: do you have a site for that activity too? |
| 09:16.32 | ke6isf | d0uglas: My sense of humor is offline. |
| 09:16.45 | Nick_Hill | mhall, It seems the likes of NewsCorp are filtering those in power to be short-term pragmatist christian fundamentalists. |
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| 09:17.04 | d0uglas | peterS: a site for ball busting activity? ... well, my gnutella monitoring would suggest that ballbusting might be a ripe market |
| 09:17.21 | mhall | Nick_Hill: quite! |
| 09:17.22 | SimonRaven | d0uglas: hint: getent services http and see the number it spits out |
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| 09:17.35 | d0uglas | ok |
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| 09:17.42 | peterS | SimonRaven: he just admitted to knowing this already |
| 09:17.45 | mhall | Nick_Hill: so is the public; they love it when pols crack down on expression with which they do not agree |
| 09:17.51 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 09:17.55 | SimonRaven | missed that |
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| 09:18.17 | d0uglas | but i did not know what getent was, so all's well that ends well |
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| 09:18.28 | mhall | d0uglas: getent is supremely useful |
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| 09:18.48 | peterS | yeah, it's for reading anything you refer to in /etc/nsswitch.conf, basically |
| 09:18.59 | SimonRaven | quite. works with whatever is in /etc/nsswitch.conf too |
| 09:19.05 | peterS | well, except 'hosts' |
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| 09:19.14 | SimonRaven | be it ldap, unix flat file, nis, nis+, .... |
| 09:19.25 | mhall | peterS: they ought to unify all of that stuff into a better architecture |
| 09:19.26 | peterS | wait, it does work with hosts. what is it it doesn't work with? |
| 09:19.30 | mhall | PAM really pisses me off. |
| 09:19.33 | Nick_Hill | mhall, I feel there is a lot of resentment against Blair in the UK. He goes too far. |
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| 09:19.44 | ke6isf | Woo, two minute ETA. =^^= |
| 09:19.50 | SimonRaven | tory bliar? |
| 09:19.57 | mhall | I should not have to edit 10,000,000 configuration files to get decent authentication. |
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| 09:20.19 | Nick_Hill | SimonRaven, :-) |
| 09:20.19 | d0uglas | shad0w |
| 09:20.20 | SimonRaven | mhall: hence the @include common-* stuff |
| 09:20.21 | mhall | Nick_Hill: Yet the re-elect him! |
| 09:20.22 | peterS | mhall: you don't, you can stick with the defaults |
| 09:20.32 | peterS | mhall: would you rather *not* have pam, so you *have* to stick with the defaults? |
| 09:20.36 | SimonRaven | Nick_Hill: :D |
| 09:20.38 | Nick_Hill | mhall, 21% of the electorate voted for his party. |
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| 09:21.10 | mhall | Nick_Hill: they did not make much of a stink about him retaining PM. |
| 09:21.24 | mhall | Nick_Hill: nobody attempts a vote of no confidence from what I hear |
| 09:21.42 | SimonRaven | president of the uk, tory george blush |
| 09:21.44 | mhall | Nick_Hill: nobody works him over thoroughly enough during the Q&A periods |
| 09:21.57 | peterS | doesn't blair derive his popularity from being a liberal that a tory could love? |
| 09:22.06 | Nick_Hill | mhall, 200,000 Labour party members have left since 1997 |
| 09:22.07 | SimonRaven | he's a neo-con |
| 09:22.20 | peterS | errr, yeah, s/liberal/labour/, sorry |
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| 09:23.04 | Lanz | Lol. |
| 09:23.17 | peterS | I read back when he first came on the scene an opinion that he was nothing like clinton (whom he'd been compared to a lot) but was actually one of maggie's children, and he knew it |
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| 09:23.37 | Nick_Hill | peterS, Surprisingly, cons I know hate bliar. They consider him a cheating liar who is short of morals. |
| 09:24.06 | peterS | Nick_Hill: sounds like the taint of george w. bush |
| 09:24.13 | Nick_Hill | yep |
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| 09:24.25 | SimonRaven | the first neo-cons that i know of that got 'elected' were raygun and maggie |
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| 09:24.38 | peterS | I mean, everyone who throws in with bush eventually finds themselves in awkward positions of having to lie and mislead |
| 09:24.53 | SimonRaven | AFAIK, the trend for neo-liberalism started even before that, at the IMF |
| 09:24.53 | infinity1 | good ol' #debian :) |
| 09:25.19 | mhall | prithee gents, tis the witching hour |
| 09:25.29 | Nick_Hill | At least maggie wasn't as illiberal as bliar. And understood the need for competition. |
| 09:25.31 | SimonRaven | e.g., 3 gorges dam, and other nice little disasters |
| 09:25.34 | peterS | infinity1: this is a venerated tradition, carried on every Sunday. we observe the Day of Rest by doing as little debian-related chatting as we can |
| 09:25.41 | mhall | Ich musse mich verabschieden. |
| 09:25.58 | mhall | or rather |
| 09:26.03 | peterS | mhall: does that mean sleep? |
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| 09:26.16 | mhall | peterS: I must take leave. |
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| 09:26.35 | mhall | peterS: or even more exactly |
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| 09:26.41 | peterS | mhall: ahh. I wondered what '...und verschied' meant literally - context means the guy died |
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| 09:27.40 | mhall | peterS: "I must take leave of sth." would be the literal I'd say. |
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| 09:28.01 | infinity1 | its nice leaving these chats open. you can scroll back for a bit and read the entertainment. |
| 09:28.02 | mhall | peterS: Which maps to "Ich muss mich von sth. verabschieden." |
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| 09:28.09 | peterS | mhall: '...tät er seine Füße zusammen aufs Bette, und verschied, und vard versammlet zu seinem Volk." |
| 09:28.22 | mhall | peterS: ah nice text |
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| 09:28.34 | peterS | mhall: the death of Jacob, from the Bible (end of Genesis 49) |
| 09:28.40 | mhall | peterS: ah-ha |
| 09:29.04 | peterS | mhall: "da Jakob vollendet hatte die Gebot an seine Kinder..." is the rest of the line |
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| 09:30.18 | peterS | mhall: sounds pretty nice in the King James translation, too: "...and yielded up the ghost." |
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| 09:30.52 | peterS | "...and was gathered unto his people" |
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| 09:31.41 | man_in_shack | is hotplug normally started before or after udev? |
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| 09:32.03 | peterS | man_in_shack: why don't you consult /etc/rc2.d/ and /etc/rcS.d/ for yourself? |
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| 09:32.12 | mhall | peterS: that phraseology is more formal than a nun's asshole is tight |
| 09:32.19 | SimonRaven | !be an ls barbie |
| 09:32.20 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 09:32.25 | SimonRaven | bah |
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| 09:32.30 | man_in_shack | cos i changed them |
| 09:32.42 | mhall | SimonRaven: how does that relate to ls?/// |
| 09:32.49 | peterS | mhall: I got the german text from a motet written in 1620 or so. thus I suppose it sounds a bit like the King James sounds to English speakers |
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| 09:33.09 | mhall | peterS: yeah i understand |
| 09:33.20 | mhall | peterS: i just make weird references when i crack jokes |
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| 09:33.40 | SimonRaven | mhall: because it would be very simple to look at those dirs to find out where they go (if they aren't changed). otherwise looking in the various /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst should say |
| 09:34.03 | mhall | SimonRaven: -> man_in_shack ? |
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| 09:34.15 | SimonRaven | mhall: uh, only first part of that is relevant to your question =) |
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| 09:36.04 | peterS | and don't anyone tell me that sounded geh' |
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| 09:37.15 | mhall | peterS: Ich habe heut die Waesche gewascht. Ich bin gerade am Bettmachen. |
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| 09:38.18 | coywolf | !AsciiDoc |
| 09:38.29 | coywolf | dpkg, AsciiDoc |
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| 09:38.48 | peterS | mhall: had to look up a couple words there to be sure I knew what you said. anyway, *really* to bed now |
| 09:38.53 | mhall | ~tell coywolf about asciidoc |
| 09:38.57 | mhall | peterS: hahaha |
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| 09:39.30 | peterS | mhall: and can you really say 'heut' at this time of day? surely it was really yesterday (: |
| 09:39.48 | mhall | peterS: s/heut/gerade/g |
| 09:40.00 | SimonRaven | g'night folks |
| 09:40.06 | caphuso | it's "heute" |
| 09:40.13 | peterS | caphuso: yeah but I knew what he meant |
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| 09:40.56 | mhall | caphuso: heut is an allowable abbr |
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| 09:41.25 | session_ | Where to set sudo'ers password ? |
| 09:41.39 | caphuso | session_: passwd |
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| 09:41.42 | mhall | session_: it uses their pass |
| 09:41.51 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 09:41.53 | DerRobin | Hey guys, good morning everybody |
| 09:42.04 | man_in_shack | what's the default entry in /etc/rcS.d for udev? |
| 09:42.10 | elfriede | Hello, I tried loading supermount module, but it's not found for the 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel image, does Debian have a supermount module available for the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 09:42.33 | Nick_Hill | mhall, I have just fallen in favour with digital terrestrial broadcasting. Satellite broadcasting allows newscorp to circumvent government. If DTB saturates out satellite, this opens the way to cut them down to size. |
| 09:42.45 | DerRobin | does anybody knows how the tool had been called which searches for your graphics card and puts the information into a x-config-file? |
| 09:42.49 | session_ | caphuso: /etc/sudoers <- this were I set the sudo users? |
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| 09:43.03 | b0red | ) |
| 09:43.05 | b0red | <migzy> hi phriend |
| 09:43.11 | b0red | hi. i'm trying to run ettercap and i specified the user interface (which means the nic name) .. but it says again Please select an User Interface. |
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| 09:43.14 | Cyis-Home | anyone heimdal-kdc users? I just updated testing this evening ... for some reason I can no longer login |
| 09:43.16 | man_in_shack | sudo is evil |
| 09:43.16 | caphuso | session_: yes |
| 09:43.24 | session_ | caphuso: ok, thanks |
| 09:43.31 | Cyis-Home | however kinit is still able to authenticate me... just pam_krb5 seems to be failing |
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| 09:43.50 | norskfjord | Hi, has anyone had any experiance using a sony eyetoy on debian as a webcam? |
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| 09:44.29 | DerRobin | Does anybody knows how the tool had been called which searches for your graphics card and puts the information into a x-config-file? |
| 09:44.32 | norskfjord | I need to know how to do this |
| 09:45.00 | norskfjord | DerRobin: dpkg-reconfigure x-window-server |
| 09:45.13 | norskfjord | or xserver-xorg |
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| 09:45.22 | session_ | How to change chmod for a folder and all the files within ? |
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| 09:45.39 | white | session_: chmod -R |
| 09:45.39 | mhall | man_in_shack: evil? |
| 09:45.50 | Nick_Hill | DerRobin, the file is normally in /etc/X11 and called xorg.conf or XF86config |
| 09:45.51 | man_in_shack | mhall, major security problem |
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| 09:46.37 | mhall | man_in_shack: un*x is the security problem |
| 09:46.43 | man_in_shack | <Kim> i come from my fathers side of the family, i don't know how to wait for it |
| 09:46.43 | mhall | man_in_shack: sudo tries to plug it |
| 09:46.50 | elfriede | Is automount (autofs) what I want if I want my cdrom to mount/unmount automatically when someone tries to access the cdrom mount point? |
| 09:46.51 | man_in_shack | mhall, wtf are you talking about? |
| 09:46.52 | coywolf | ho w to list the newly recent installed packages? |
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| 09:46.57 | DerRobin | norskfjord: there was another little tool, which "echos" three lines of info about the graphics card and if you add parameter "-d" it writes the complete config file... |
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| 09:47.10 | man_in_shack | mhall, how is allowing a normal user to get root access without a password more secure? |
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| 09:47.27 | mhall | man_in_shack: there needs to be finer grain security than root = all privs, normal = no privs |
| 09:47.34 | mhall | man_in_shack: and it does not allow root w/o pass |
| 09:47.39 | man_in_shack | yes it does |
| 09:47.42 | mhall | man_in_shack: you must enter the pass every 15 min |
| 09:47.47 | mhall | man_in_shack: you are full of shit |
| 09:47.48 | man_in_shack | that's how it's set up a lot of the time |
| 09:47.50 | Cyis-Home | mhall: you are incorrect |
| 09:47.50 | man_in_shack | no password |
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| 09:48.04 | mhall | Cyis-Home: default install on Debian DOES NOT do that |
| 09:48.08 | mhall | Cyis-Home: this is #debian |
| 09:48.13 | coywolf | ho w to list the newly recent installed packages? |
| 09:48.20 | mhall | Cyis-Home: therefore i can make statements based on defaults of Debian |
| 09:48.22 | man_in_shack | you'll find it's usually either no password or the user's password |
| 09:48.22 | Cyis-Home | mhall: no it's not default but it can do it... |
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| 09:48.29 | Nick_Hill | Once you are root, there are all sorts of ways you can subvert security. Sudo is only one. Like any power tool, can be used for good or bad. |
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| 09:49.00 | man_in_shack | sudo should never be used because it can be set up very easily to give a normal user root access with no password or their own password |
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| 09:49.09 | man_in_shack | etc |
| 09:49.14 | mhall | man_in_shack: that's bullshit |
| 09:49.16 | Cyis-Home | I've setup sudo to allow my web server process to execute a command without a password and only that command |
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| 09:49.27 | man_in_shack | mhall, no, it's fact |
| 09:49.29 | mhall | man_in_shack: you can set up anything to screw stuff up |
| 09:49.46 | mhall | man_in_shack: just because it's possible doesn't mean it's the tool's fault |
| 09:49.57 | ramezhanna | need to set two default gateways on my box, so i set them with diffrent metric values but it isn't working, any idea why? |
| 09:50.01 | mhall | man_in_shack: it's not a hard to read config file, just don't put stupid shit in the file |
| 09:50.12 | Nick_Hill | An ordinary user shouldn't have write access to sudoers. And, for example, if you wanted to permanently subvert the system, you could write a small program with SUID root set, which spawns a shell. |
| 09:50.27 | man_in_shack | mhall, sudo is a pos. it's insecure to give root access based on an independant password list |
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| 09:51.08 | mhall | man_in_shack: wtf are you on about, independent password list? |
| 09:51.10 | Cyis-Home | man_in_shack: explain... how is the system password file an "independent password list" ? |
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| 09:51.52 | man_in_shack | Cyis-Home, explain how sudo can be used to give a normal user root access with no password and you have your answer |
| 09:52.16 | mhall | you can put all manner of stupid shit in the apache config file |
| 09:52.17 | man_in_shack | you should only be able to use sudo if you have the root password |
| 09:52.22 | man_in_shack | that defeats the purpose, but that is my point |
| 09:52.24 | DerRobin | What can I do to see my kernel version? |
| 09:52.27 | mhall | but nobody calls apache insecure |
| 09:52.28 | liable | sudo is a joke imo |
| 09:52.29 | man_in_shack | DerRobin, uname -r |
| 09:52.34 | wers | liable word |
| 09:52.35 | DerRobin | man_in_shack: thanks |
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| 09:52.56 | caphuso | man_in_shack: you completely fail to grasp what sudo is meant to do |
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| 09:53.05 | man_in_shack | mhall, sudo is often set up to give root access with no password |
| 09:53.05 | Cyis-Home | man_in_shack: the purpose of sudo is to be able to delegate the ability to run as root without having to actually give the root passworde |
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| 09:53.15 | caphuso | man_in_shack: that's a wetware problem |
| 09:53.16 | man_in_shack | Cyis-Home, insecure |
| 09:53.17 | mhall | man_in_shack: OFTEN SET UP != FAULT OF THE TOOL |
| 09:53.18 | man_in_shack | simple |
| 09:53.21 | Nick_Hill | man_in_shack, You can't edit sudoers unless you are root first. Once, and only once you are root, do you have complete control. Once you are root, there are any number of ways of permanently keeping root privileges. |
| 09:53.38 | Cyis-Home | man_in_shack: I'm gonna have to accept to disagree with you... that or just consider you a tool... |
| 09:53.44 | man_in_shack | Nick_Hill, but if it's set up with no password, then anyone can access root |
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| 09:54.00 | nkuttler | man_in_shack: no |
| 09:54.00 | caphuso | man_in_shack: no, not anyone. only those allowed to |
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| 09:54.14 | caphuso | man_in_shack: please, stop making a fool out of yourself |
| 09:54.16 | tarzeau | does someone have a .htaccess secured webpage? please can he post the url so i can test this browser? |
| 09:54.21 | glutinous | not many ppl sudo /bin/sh, so it is mostly ok :) |
| 09:54.25 | Nick_Hill | man_in_shack, If, as administrator, you choose to set sudoers up like that, then you, as administrator, have chosen to leave your system insecure. |
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| 09:54.38 | mhall | man_in_shack: your problem is that you invented a conclusion and now you have made up justification rather than the other way around |
| 09:54.42 | Cyis-Home | exactly... as Nick_Hill said... |
| 09:54.53 | man_in_shack | caphuso, it makes a nomral user effectively root. let's say you leave a login open for a few minutes, or have poor security and someone hacks your ssh system ... |
| 09:54.56 | mhall | man_in_shack: so my advice to you would be to let it go, have a beer, and come back to the subject later |
| 09:55.02 | man_in_shack | mhall, i did not invent it, i observed it |
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| 09:55.24 | wers | mySQL wont start after i rebooted, cant find any info in any ogfile.. what do I do? |
| 09:55.26 | mhall | man_in_shack: whatever the hell you did observe you are not explaining very clearly |
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| 09:55.37 | Cyis-Home | In my experience, as the administrator of a system in question that uses sudo, we have a User_Alias setup for users authorized to use sudo without a password and a User_Alias for users authorized to use sudo with a password... |
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| 09:55.45 | caphuso | man_in_shack: so... we shouldn't be using su or login either because you could have a empty password for root? |
| 09:55.46 | man_in_shack | mhall, people setting up sudo so they could get root access without a password |
| 09:56.05 | man_in_shack | caphuso, most distros won't let you have an empty password for root |
| 09:56.26 | Boll | Thats bull, you can just edit the password file |
| 09:56.44 | mhall | the problem with the whole security thing is that for end user systems you have the model of the system force-feeding you stuff |
| 09:56.46 | Cyis-Home | further the users that are allowed to use sudo with a password are limited to specific commands set in a Command_Alias... of course only select users have sudo privelege at all... and the only ones that can do so without a password are myself and my boss... but we also have the root password |
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| 09:56.59 | caphuso | man_in_shack: and sudo, by default, doesn't allow anyone to become root |
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| 09:57.13 | caphuso | man_in_shack: so, where's the difference? |
| 09:57.15 | Cyis-Home | I only log into root when I absolutely have to... anything else I do with sudo |
| 09:57.40 | mhall | and for the hard core systems you have to pick for yourself because they know that the force feed might stop you from doing something deliberately good as well as deliberately bad |
| 09:57.45 | mhall | this is a very classic dispute |
| 09:57.46 | man_in_shack | root login or su > sudo |
| 09:57.49 | man_in_shack | for security |
| 09:57.55 | mhall | and in the UNIX world the expert perspective wins |
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| 09:58.06 | man_in_shack | have one password for root access instead of many |
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| 09:58.31 | caphuso | man_in_shack: so, how do i allow a specific user to be able to read some log files only accessible by root without giving them full root access with root login or su? |
| 09:58.38 | mhall | man_in_shack: then you can't log anything |
| 09:58.40 | wers | just give the user same value in /etc/passw there solvedQ! |
| 09:58.41 | Cyis-Home | man_in_shack: which is fine if you work by yourself or in a very small group |
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| 09:58.54 | man_in_shack | caphuso, chgrp them and add the user to that group |
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| 09:58.58 | man_in_shack | that's the way things are supposed to be done |
| 09:59.07 | usn_router | good morning |
| 09:59.09 | mhall | man_in_shack: it's only good at a simple level |
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| 09:59.17 | man_in_shack | Cyis-Home, by the same logic, being hacked doesn't matter if it's just your system |
| 09:59.22 | mhall | man_in_shack: sometimes they need to be in a group belonging to certain system demons |
| 09:59.22 | nkuttler | tarzeau: oops |
| 09:59.23 | glutinous | as far as i know, sudo is made to allows normal users to run certain commands as root... and (assuming you set it up right) ONLY that command. it is useful for things like.. allowing users to bring a connection up or down, without giving them full root access. |
| 09:59.49 | nkuttler | tarzeau: nice, finally dillo becomes usable :) |
| 09:59.58 | caphuso | man_in_shack: good. how do i make a certain user able to restart nfs without giving him complete root access? |
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| 10:00.11 | Cyis-Home | man_in_shack: none of my systems have been hacked... and I still have my wager of a case of beer to someone who can... |
| 10:00.17 | man_in_shack | you shouldn't need to do that anyway |
| 10:00.35 | man_in_shack | Cyis-Home, you can never have enough security :P |
| 10:00.41 | mhall | glutinous: yes; true this, and for the most part, if you are expecting sudo to do a password check on a command, probably not a good one to offer out over sudo to joe blow users |
| 10:00.42 | tarzeau | nkuttler: yep it's nice |
| 10:00.44 | caphuso | man_in_shack: ah, i have to ask for your permission first if i want to do something? |
| 10:00.51 | wers | Case of beer ehy.. |
| 10:00.57 | Cyis-Home | man_in_shack: exactly... hence regular security audits and the wager |
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| 10:01.01 | mhall | man_in_shack: sure in theory you need not restart NFS |
| 10:01.09 | mhall | man_in_shack: but in real life it fucks up |
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| 10:01.11 | session_ | How to I make rsync delete the files in it's backup, when files in the true folder has been deleted ? |
| 10:01.22 | nkuttler | session_: the man page tells you |
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| 10:01.40 | mhall | session_: try doing /delete and /remove in the manual |
| 10:01.52 | honschu | How to add volume to a ogg or mp3 file? |
| 10:01.58 | honschu | increase |
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| 10:02.26 | elfriede | My automounter says "started automount /cdrom", and mount says automount has mounted /cdrom, but when I ls /cdrom it is empty and I can still manually mount it on another mountpoint. I've read the man pages and several howto's, where can I see how to make the Debian (testing) autofs confs make my cdrom device automountable? |
| 10:02.27 | wers | honschu i think u need to reencode it. |
| 10:02.29 | man_in_shack | ok, i'm tired of this |
| 10:02.34 | Cyis-Home | well I'm gonna be afk for a bit... still trying to figure out why kerberos logins start'd failing... beep me if you have any ideas |
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| 10:02.44 | man_in_shack | when correctly set up, sudo isn't a problem, but i've never seen it correctly set up |
| 10:02.51 | nkuttler | honschu: hm, maybe a normalizer? |
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| 10:03.10 | honschu | wers: Yes, I will - but how, oggenc doesn't has a option to increase the volume |
| 10:03.13 | mhall | Cyis-Home: ethereal? |
| 10:03.26 | mhall | honschu: probably want to use sound editor on WAV input |
| 10:03.27 | honschu | nkuttler: Is there a "normalizer" in debian? |
| 10:03.38 | nkuttler | honschu: apt-cache search normalize |
| 10:03.39 | mhall | honschu: There is one really good sound editor with plug-ins for this. |
| 10:03.48 | honschu | mhall: audacity? |
| 10:03.49 | DerRobin | How to install a .rpm-file? |
| 10:03.52 | Cyis-Home | mhall: kinit works to authenticate... problem seems to be in the systems using PAM |
| 10:03.57 | nkuttler | DerRobin: which one? |
| 10:03.57 | mhall | honschu: yeah, that's it |
| 10:04.00 | honschu | DerRobin: rpm -i XXX.rpm |
| 10:04.01 | wers | honschu , sorry no, idea. |
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| 10:04.21 | mhall | honschu: let me look and see if i can find information |
| 10:04.26 | honschu | ;-) |
| 10:04.26 | Cyis-Home | mhall: only happened after updating tonite |
| 10:05.02 | mhall | Cyis-Home: file bug and check BTS tomorrow and see if anybody else is sore |
| 10:05.07 | casueps | how can i know if eth0 is working at 100 or 1000 mbps? |
| 10:05.15 | mhall | Cyis-Home: make sure config files did not get overwritten |
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| 10:05.28 | glutinous | oops, i've confused sudo with super :D |
| 10:06.10 | elfriede | All I require is one line from /etc/auto.master and one from where ever the cdrom map is. |
| 10:06.14 | Cyis-Home | mhall: yeah I'm checking all the pam configs... so far can't find anything out of place |
| 10:06.31 | mhall | honschu: Alright. Audacity has Normalize in the Effect menu. |
| 10:06.57 | mhall | honschu: If it has settings for this, try Normalize to 95% or so |
| 10:07.01 | session_ | How come, I get permition denied in mail after a cronjob is done (rsync) |
| 10:07.02 | man_in_shack | so yeah |
| 10:07.23 | mhall | Cyis-Home: use ls -l and check mtime |
| 10:07.25 | man_in_shack | what creates the /etc/rcS.d entries? |
| 10:07.41 | honschu | mhall: okay, thx a lot |
| 10:07.48 | mhall | Cyis-Home: fgrep -ir /var/log ... |
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| 10:07.59 | glutinous | man_in_shack: update-rc.d |
| 10:08.04 | Cyis-Home | mhall: the /etc/pam.d/common-* timestamps hadn't been changed since May when I set it up |
| 10:08.05 | liable | marcus_: man update-rc.d |
| 10:08.08 | man_in_shack | ty |
| 10:08.08 | liable | grr |
| 10:08.12 | norskfjord | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 10:08.14 | norskfjord | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 10:08.14 | liable | man_in_shack: ^^ |
| 10:08.18 | norskfjord | how can I fix this? |
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| 10:08.49 | thesmiler | hello~ |
| 10:08.49 | Cyis-Home | norskfjord: install the appropriate kernel-header package if it's a pre-build kernel-image package installed |
| 10:08.49 | mhall | Cyis-Home: if libc was upgraded maybe you need a box reboot to fix incompatible symbols |
| 10:09.01 | Cyis-Home | mhall: I've rebooted twice now |
| 10:09.09 | thesmiler | wow~ debian channel.. |
| 10:09.13 | norskfjord | ? how do I do this? |
| 10:09.30 | mhall | Cyis-Home: rerun ldconfig |
| 10:09.43 | liable | norskfjord: install kernel-headers |
| 10:09.46 | session_ | When I sudo crontab -e all the commands in there are root priveliged right ? |
| 10:09.54 | liable | !lose me |
| 10:09.55 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 10:10.03 | thesmiler | hi~ man_in_shack~ ^_^ |
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| 10:11.18 | Cyis-Home | mhall: I added "debug" to the lines in the pam configs and I can see from the log that it's getting the login (minus realm being displayed) but not able to pass pam_sm_authenticate |
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| 10:11.49 | kombi | I got this strange entry in auth.log: 'su[4163] + ??? root:nobody', what might it mean? |
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| 10:13.10 | Cyis-Home | unfortunately guys in #kerberos are sleeping |
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| 10:15.08 | man_in_shack | #sudoers, general linux discussion channel, is now up and running |
| 10:15.24 | man_in_shack | shit that wasn't supposed to happen |
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| 10:15.38 | elfriede | What the heck?! I can mount /dev/cdrom TWICE when the automounter is on, it refuses to unmount even when the media is removed. |
| 10:15.54 | pumpkin0 | Scary stuff happening on unionfs with squashfs and ramfs as branches: find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for .: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. |
| 10:16.24 | liable | kombi: cron |
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| 10:16.29 | elfriede | Is anybody even using automount for removable media? It seems to work very poorly, buggy and not really finished. |
| 10:16.32 | DerRobin | After initializing "X" i get an error: Xsessions: unable to start X sessions --- no "/home/robin/.xsession" file, no "/home/robin/.Xsession" file, no session managers, and no terminal emulators found; aborting. --> What can I do? :-/ |
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| 10:16.56 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: thats the status in /proc/mounts ? |
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| 10:17.14 | coywolf | how to convert .xml to pdf? |
| 10:17.21 | coywolf | how to convert .xml to pdf or latex? |
| 10:17.35 | wers | DerRobin you need to install a windowmanager. |
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| 10:17.44 | elfriede | pumpkin0: it just shows the automount on /mnt, but the mount command also shows /mnt/cdrom as mounted, when indeed it is not. |
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| 10:17.46 | DerRobin | wers: like kdm |
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| 10:17.57 | wers | DerRobin no.. like enlightenment |
| 10:17.57 | kombi | liable: the thing is just that the box crashed soon or immediately after.. |
| 10:18.17 | Cyis-Home | okay this is nucking futs... |
| 10:18.20 | liable | kombi: what time was it? |
| 10:18.34 | liable | kombi: check the other logs |
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| 10:18.52 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: you may have a problem with /etc/mtab. It should be updated every time something is mounted/unmounted. But that has failed for you. |
| 10:19.14 | elfriede | pumpkin0: it's really retarded, but autofs is not configurable for /cdrom unless autofs is mounted on / and when you finally get it to mount /mnt/cdrom it refuses to unmount it. |
| 10:19.16 | kombi | liable: ok.. |
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| 10:19.39 | liable | kombi: time? |
| 10:19.48 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: that's the error message on umount ? |
| 10:19.50 | elfriede | pumpkin0: I've read in several mailing lists about people complaining that autofs is broken and people often request a supermount solution for 2.6 |
| 10:20.01 | elfriede | pumpkin0: there's no error on umounts. |
| 10:20.23 | elfriede | pumpkin0: but I was under the impression that automount would umount automatically when the media was removed. |
| 10:20.25 | wers | .Device busy? |
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| 10:20.32 | Cyis-Home | mhall: how's this.. my login can't authenticate properly... but my fiance's does |
| 10:20.38 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: umount /mnt/cdrom just returns without any errors ?? |
| 10:20.52 | elfriede | pumpkin0: yes and then the device is unmounted, yet mount reports it as mounted. |
| 10:21.00 | elfriede | pumpkin0: thus, autmount never remounts it. |
| 10:21.21 | session_ | how come , when I umount /mnt/windows I get device busy ? I have closed everything down. Even tried to kill the prosess. |
| 10:21.23 | elfriede | pumpkin0: in short; automount does not unmount properly and as a result it only mounts once. |
| 10:21.31 | mhall | Cyis-Home: :-) your tgt is a dud? |
| 10:21.38 | liable | session_: lsof /mnt/windows |
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| 10:22.07 | tarzeau | does someone have an UTF-8 HTML website? |
| 10:22.27 | DerRobin | wers: oh thanks alot, enlightenment is a very nice tool |
| 10:22.33 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: ... your /etc/mtab is not updated. something is using (u)mount -n. have you tried linking /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts ? |
| 10:22.35 | session_ | liable: famd 1318 session 60r DIR 0,10 4096 2 /mnt/windows |
| 10:22.37 | elfriede | Like I said, from what I've read there seems to be a discontent with autofs and considering how easy it was to setup supermount (modprobe supermount) I feel that the 2.6 kernel lacks automounting capabilities. |
| 10:22.42 | wers | DerRobin Np, enjoy. |
| 10:22.55 | Cyis-Home | mhall: only difference I can see in the logs is the pam_krb5 making a getpwnam() call for me but not her |
| 10:23.13 | elfriede | pumpkin0: no, they do not contain the same data. |
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| 10:23.41 | elfriede | pumpkin0: I'm not going to link /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts, they're not suposed to contain the same data. (at least they look to different) |
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| 10:23.58 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: But they should (the format of /proc/mounts is parseable by all tools that use /etc/mtab) |
| 10:23.59 | session_ | liable: I killed with that PID it worked, but what has happend ? |
| 10:24.09 | Cyis-Home | mhall: 2 pam_sm_authenticate entries for her ( 'entry:' and 'exit: success')... 3 for me ('entry:', 'getpwnam():' and 'exit: failure') |
| 10:24.11 | wers | DerRobin I also think you need xterm. |
| 10:24.25 | wers | DerRobin or aterm or eterm. |
| 10:24.33 | liable | session_: famd is a pita |
| 10:24.34 | elfriede | pumpkin0: ok, I've done it. |
| 10:24.54 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: OK, try again... |
| 10:24.59 | session_ | liable: amd a pita is ? |
| 10:25.10 | liable | !pita |
| 10:25.10 | dpkg | somebody said pita was pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 10:25.13 | elfriede | pumpkin0: so, automounter mounts the /mnt/cdrom mount point, but now I can't get the media out. |
| 10:25.23 | wers | what pita? as in kebab? |
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| 10:25.37 | session_ | liable: lol. That did not explain much :) |
| 10:25.45 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: Hmm.. headshot. mount is now looking the door. |
| 10:25.47 | elfriede | pumpkin0: umount: /mnt/cdrom is not in the fstab (and you are not root) |
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| 10:26.01 | session_ | !famd |
| 10:26.01 | dpkg | from memory, famd is the File Alteration Monitor, a daemon that will notify you when any of a given list of files changes, or see, apt-cache show fam, or famd can make it more difficult to unmount devices |
| 10:26.03 | elfriede | autofs does NOT work for removable media, period. |
| 10:26.16 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: what is in fstab ? |
| 10:26.55 | liable | session_: apt-cache show famd. |
| 10:27.04 | elfriede | pumpkin0: not the cdrom, it's suposed to be automount controlled. that's why I sent you the line, as a control that there's nothing but the automount controlling the cdrom mount point. |
| 10:27.12 | liable | !lose me |
| 10:27.13 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 10:27.15 | liable | again |
| 10:27.45 | elfriede | pumpkin0: have you ever gotten autofs to work with cdrom? |
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| 10:28.45 | Cyis-Home | mhall: I think I may have tracked it down... but why this is a problem I'm not sure... |
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| 10:29.48 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: autofs works ehre (with 2.6.11) Have you read this: http://freespace.sourceforge.net/guidod/howto/autofs.html |
| 10:30.31 | Cyis-Home | mhall: for some reason 'getent passwd' shows my username but 'getent passwd <my username>' doesn't ... now when I perform the same for my fiance's acct it shows up with both commands |
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| 10:30.49 | blaamann | Is there a way to find out when a package was included in testing. do they cary a time stamp ? |
| 10:30.50 | Cyis-Home | I can also 'finger <my username>' and it returns the info |
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| 10:31.29 | elfriede | pumpkin0: exactly the way I did it. |
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| 10:32.04 | elfriede | pumpkin0: eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument |
| 10:32.10 | elfriede | pumpkin0: yet the cd WAS indeed ejected. |
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| 10:32.45 | elfriede | My feeling is that autofs is not very thought through nor working. |
| 10:32.50 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: have you mixed sid and sarge ? |
| 10:32.54 | elfriede | pumpkin0: no. |
| 10:33.07 | mhall | Cyis-Home: lol |
| 10:33.17 | mhall | Cyis-Home: alright you know what to do next right |
| 10:33.21 | elfriede | pumpkin0: and the cdrom hardware doesn't even respond to me pressing the eject button, it's locked like it is when you do a manual mount. |
| 10:33.44 | elfriede | pumpkin0: thanks for your help, but I'm giving up on automount. I might have to go back to a 2.4 kernel to get supermount up again. |
| 10:34.02 | pumpkin0 | elfriede: i have no idea what you have done to automount. usually it's working. |
| 10:34.19 | mhall | Cyis-Home: here is what we do |
| 10:34.22 | elfriede | pumpkin0: well, I'm a perfectionist, I'm looking for "always working". |
| 10:34.23 | Cyis-Home | mhall: introduce this machine to my sprinkler system :) |
| 10:34.34 | mhall | Cyis-Home: we write a C program that calls getpwnam on your user |
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| 10:34.43 | mhall | Cyis-Home: and we find out exactly what error occurred |
| 10:34.50 | mhall | Cyis-Home: when the lookup is done |
| 10:35.06 | elfriede | pumpkin0: I think my automount works as it was intended, but it's intentions is not what I need. |
| 10:35.14 | Cyis-Home | I'm thinkin it's a borked nscd |
| 10:35.50 | Cyis-Home | if I shutdown nscd 'getent passwd <username>' works... as a result authentication works... however it doesn't know my user once I'm logged in |
| 10:36.19 | elfriede | pumpkin0: thanks mate. |
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| 10:36.25 | sayonara | hi foks |
| 10:36.27 | sayonara | folks |
| 10:36.28 | mhall | Cyis-Home: can you delete your tgt and re-request |
| 10:36.37 | sayonara | does anybody know a good graphical diff programm? |
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| 10:37.08 | pingouin | what's the difference beetween lp and lpr ? |
| 10:37.15 | Cyis-Home | mhall: yeah... getting my tgt via kinit works fine... remove it and try logging in failed |
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| 10:37.26 | mhall | Cyis-Home: ! that's odd |
| 10:37.35 | mhall | Cyis-Home: it's like something defective is being cached |
| 10:37.49 | Cyis-Home | for some reason nscd is at fault... even restarting it fresh it chokes on my account |
| 10:39.28 | mhall | Cyis-Home: you know what to try next eh? find / -noleaf -print -mtime -3 |
| 10:39.40 | mhall | Cyis-Home: look at all files changed in past 3 days |
| 10:39.57 | mhall | Cyis-Home: and find / -noleaf -print -user <your user> |
| 10:40.02 | session_ | when doing rsync from sudo crontab -e I get: rsync: read errors mapping "/mnt/windows/test.txt": Permission denied (13) |
| 10:40.06 | mhall | Cyis-Home: see if there's anything interesting |
| 10:40.25 | mhall | session_: there's a permission problem |
| 10:40.36 | mhall | session_: it's not running with right privieges to do rsync |
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| 10:40.52 | Cyis-Home | mhall: being as I did a major update (it'd been weeks since my last one) it updated a lot of files today |
| 10:40.55 | mhall | session_: run the 'id' command in crontab -e |
| 10:41.12 | mhall | Cyis-Home: right no big deal, just pipe it to less and scroll |
| 10:41.16 | session_ | mhall: id command? |
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| 10:41.36 | mhall | Cyis-Home: the official files will all scroll by in order with PgDn |
| 10:41.42 | mhall | Cyis-Home: see what sticks out |
| 10:41.51 | Cyis-Home | mhall: sure... no big deal... jsut 577K files :) |
| 10:41.52 | mhall | session_: try it as yourself |
| 10:41.57 | mhall | session_: you will see what it does |
| 10:42.11 | mhall | Cyis-Home: yeah it sux but i bet somewhere in there is lurking a broken temp file or something |
| 10:42.16 | mhall | Cyis-Home: that is screwing up your crap |
| 10:42.57 | mhall | Cyis-Home: whenever something breaks i always look at what got modified recently first |
| 10:43.05 | mhall | Cyis-Home: cause that's usually where it fucked up |
| 10:43.24 | mhall | Cyis-Home: this is, after trying usual obvious fixes, which you seemingly exhausted |
| 10:43.31 | session_ | mhall: So do the ceontab -e without sudo ? |
| 10:43.47 | mhall | session_: just do it however you did the command that got perms denied |
| 10:44.09 | mhall | session_: the id command will tell you the privileges of whatever / whoever ran the rsync |
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| 10:44.36 | mhall | session_: this should tell you 1) what group to change rsync tree into or 2) what user to add to group containing rsync tree |
| 10:44.39 | Cyis-Home | mhall: yep.. it's just odd that shutting nscd down allows the authentication to go through and 'getent passwd <username>' to succeed |
| 10:44.44 | hackeron | how would I get a list of packages that have no packages depending on them? -- I.E. nothing on my system depends on firefox so I want to see it in that list - reason is to do some system cleanup from libraries no longer required. |
| 10:44.46 | mhall | session_: then you will lose your permission denied error |
| 10:44.46 | Cyis-Home | however starting nscd back up fails |
| 10:45.00 | OvrLrd-Q | how do you check to see which package provides a certain file? |
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| 10:45.07 | mhall | Cyis-Home: well that means there is some cruft in there somewhere probably needing to be deleted |
| 10:45.14 | mhall | hackeron: deborphan |
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| 10:45.29 | mhall | hackeron: be careful with it, read the manual pages |
| 10:45.43 | Cyis-Home | mhall: well if it's in /tmp it's flush'd on reboot |
| 10:45.43 | hackeron | mhall: yes, definitely, thanks! |
| 10:45.46 | mhall | hackeron: you will need options depending on which packages classes you want to consider eliminating |
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| 10:46.01 | mhall | Cyis-Home: it's probably not in /tmp |
| 10:46.10 | mhall | Cyis-Home: it might be in ... /var or some odd spot |
| 10:46.15 | mhall | Cyis-Home: who knows |
| 10:46.23 | hackeron | mhall: yes, I know how dangerous this is from gentoo's broken emerge depclean :) |
| 10:46.28 | mhall | Cyis-Home: but how else could it possibly be explained?!? |
| 10:46.38 | deadcat | this is why my zd1211 wireless dont work on my lan yet: iwconfig ap (SIOCSIWAP, SIOCGIWAP) so connecting to networks with hidden ESSID is not possible yet (= |
| 10:47.00 | mhall | hackeron: no the command is good it's just if you run it on non-libs it would tell you every program that's a leat node standalone app could be removed |
| 10:47.05 | JasonDamion | mmm guys which kernel would you use for a HT P4 cpu ? |
| 10:47.14 | deadcat | 2.6+ |
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| 10:47.21 | JasonDamion | smp ? |
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| 10:47.27 | deadcat | yes |
| 10:47.30 | mhall | hackeron: also there is a safety because deborphan just gives you a list, you have to xargs it to apt-get remove --purge on your own |
| 10:47.32 | JasonDamion | cool thanks deadcat |
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| 10:47.49 | mhall | hackeron: it's tough to hurt your box unless you carry out the removals without meditating on them first |
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| 10:47.54 | liable | deadcat: with wpa? |
| 10:47.59 | mhall | well WAY PAST TIME for bed |
| 10:48.07 | mhall | mean to leave at 2 and now it's nearly 4 AM |
| 10:48.11 | mhall | lol bye allc |
| 10:48.16 | mhall | Cyis-Home: Good Luck! |
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| 10:48.38 | flux | hello :) |
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| 10:49.18 | flux | i wish i started in "rescue" mode on debian sarge cd1 (650 Mb) ... but it seems as it doesn't exist anymore... |
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| 10:49.23 | Nick_Hill | Hasn't Debian come of age? a year back, we would often have people joining the channel, for whom the answer was, use Mandrake to get started. Now the debian system can be used by newbies and advanced alike either through Ubuntu, or through official debian releases. Debian/Kubuntu seems to be the flagship distro for the KDE team, Debian/Ubuntu as flagship for Gnome. 18 months ago, it was difficult installing Gnome2 on Debian. Now it is an apt-get away in s |
| 10:49.23 | Nick_Hill | tandard repositories. |
| 10:49.38 | flux | there is no more "rescue mode" on debian boot cd ? |
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| 10:50.15 | deadcat | liable: wep |
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| 10:53.39 | session_ | !rsync |
| 10:53.39 | dpkg | i heard rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 10:53.50 | flux | !rescue |
| 10:53.50 | dpkg | i guess rescue is at http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ |
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| 10:54.57 | Cyis-Home | seems I fix'd the issue... |
| 10:55.21 | Cyis-Home | whether it was the best fix or not :) |
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| 10:55.47 | norskfjord | anyone know how to get a sony eyetoy cam working on debian? |
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| 10:56.08 | gothtec | How can I make ctrl+alt+8 type a [ in X applications? I need ctrl+alt to do what Alt Gr does, like the default is in Windows, and even in DOS. |
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| 10:57.25 | mizery | i have about 30 feet of light rope to use to design/spell something on my wall...any suggestions? |
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| 10:57.46 | session_ | nick session |
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| 10:57.51 | Rawplayer | nmake the swirl |
| 10:57.57 | Nick_Hill | mizery, The debian swirl? |
| 10:58.03 | Rawplayer | ;] |
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| 10:58.29 | X2 | or, if you have design skills, you could make a penguin |
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| 10:58.43 | Nick_Hill | or the head of a GNU |
| 10:58.45 | X2 | or that goat/bull thing |
| 10:58.52 | X2 | thats the one |
| 10:58.54 | X2 | :) |
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| 11:00.09 | session | This is my /etc/sudoers file: # User privilege specification |
| 11:00.09 | session | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 11:00.09 | session | session ALL=(ALL) ALL Looks good ? |
| 11:00.11 | scummbar | someone with ITE82xx RAID controller ? I can't tune it up with ubuntu :( |
| 11:00.14 | norskfjord | hi |
| 11:00.30 | norskfjord | I have loaded the ov51 moduel |
| 11:00.42 | norskfjord | module, now how do I get this cam working? |
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| 11:02.16 | sophore | why would i need to have a video card on a headless server and is there any way i could make it work without a video card? |
| 11:02.17 | Michiel- | norbert!!! |
| 11:02.49 | row2 | how can I tell what res Xorg is currently running at? |
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| 11:04.27 | Michiel- | hello, maybe someone can help me. |
| 11:04.34 | Nick_Hill | row2, /var/log/Xorg.log or something like that |
| 11:04.50 | Michiel- | my laptop doesn't recognize the cd rom drive |
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| 11:05.01 | Michiel- | what can i do? |
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| 11:05.35 | AciD | hi |
| 11:05.36 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, we ned more info. Eg willthe CD boot, once you installed, what dod you do? |
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| 11:06.28 | session | Ok, still the same problem. rsync -avz /mnt/windows/ /home/session/mp3 gives me mail about rsync: read errors mapping, and permition denied. I sudo crontab -e. Shouldn't that give it all the rights it need ? |
| 11:06.29 | Michiel- | first I have to tell you that i do not know anything about computers |
| 11:06.51 | norskfjord | I have loaded the ov511 cam module, now how do I view the cam? |
| 11:07.02 | Michiel- | i just know that i changed my dikdrive with the cdrom drive and now it doesn't work |
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| 11:07.23 | row2 | Nick_Hill: its using res I have not set in the xorg config how can I force it to use a higher res? |
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| 11:08.06 | torapia | hi |
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| 11:08.17 | scummbar | someone with ITE82xx RAID controller ? I can't tune it up with ubuntu :( |
| 11:08.34 | torapia | please could anyone help me with kdm? I cannot remove last users name in the kdm user name textbox :( |
| 11:08.39 | Nick_Hill | row2, It will choose the first res on the mode line, or the highest res possible with the given refresh parameters/ memory available. |
| 11:08.57 | Nick_Hill | Nick_Hill, What graphics card/ memory do you have? |
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| 11:09.49 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, Is debian already installed? |
| 11:09.54 | streuner | scummbar: #ubuntu |
| 11:09.54 | Michiel- | yes |
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| 11:10.59 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, Could you explain what changes you made? |
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| 11:11.36 | Nick_Hill | row2, By reading through Xorg.log you can often debug what the problem is. |
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| 11:12.05 | Nick_Hill | debug/deduce |
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| 11:12.24 | row2 | Nick_Hill: nah the its using the top res the gfx returned, I swear it can do more tho sure no way I can force to test without breaking? |
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| 11:12.50 | Michiel- | the only change i made was taking the thing where i put my diskettes in out of the laptop and the thing where i put the cdroms in into the laptop. this is the first time i do this since a friend installed debian |
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| 11:13.31 | Michiel- | understand? |
| 11:13.39 | scarynetworkguy | *BOOM* |
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| 11:14.04 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, So you have anexpansion bay. You can swap floppy and CD rom. You insert a CD rom, but you can't see the contents. right? |
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| 11:14.20 | Michiel- | right |
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| 11:14.39 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 11:14.43 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, What desktop do you use? KDE? |
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| 11:15.07 | Michiel- | how can i know? |
| 11:15.31 | Michiel- | forgive my small knowledge |
| 11:15.35 | Nick_Hill | Do you click a K in the bottom left corner to see the programs, or do you click a foot in the top right? |
| 11:15.35 | amorphix | if you are using grub bootloader and you need to upgrade Windows on the primary partition, that will screw grub right? is there a way around this? |
| 11:16.15 | Michiel- | a foot in the top left |
| 11:16.23 | USMarine | gnome |
| 11:16.30 | tarzeau | d0uglas: your page is down? |
| 11:16.33 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, In that case, you are using Gnome. |
| 11:16.33 | Michiel- | a yellow foot |
| 11:16.36 | amorphix | i guess, the answer is to upgrade Windows, then reinstall grub after booting Linux from a rescue floppy or cd? |
| 11:16.38 | Michiel- | ok |
| 11:17.15 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, I assume you don't see an icon for a CD appear on your desktop when you insert a CD? |
| 11:17.24 | amorphix | hi |
| 11:17.25 | mrnomad | I keep getting "commands out of sync" error with DBD::mysql on Debian sarge. Any tips? |
| 11:17.39 | Michiel- | that's right i don't |
| 11:17.40 | flux | is there un rescue cd for debian ? |
| 11:18.06 | amorphix | how can you un rescue |
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| 11:18.38 | amorphix | rescue is for when you need to gain access to your system and cannot boot from hdd |
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| 11:18.56 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, In Gnome, you would typically see an icon for a CD appear on the desktop. If you don't get this, there may be something missing on your install. I don't know enough about Knome to suggest what micht be missing. I can takeyou through steps on the command line if you need to test the hardware is working. |
| 11:19.00 | flux | yes, but there is no more rescue mode on debian sarge |
| 11:19.25 | Michiel- | please do |
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| 11:19.36 | amorphix | rescue isnt a mode tho, its a term used to describe an alternative boot disk eh |
| 11:19.38 | SimonRaven | flux: um, yes there is |
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| 11:19.49 | amorphix | flux: maybe you're thinking of something else? |
| 11:19.52 | amorphix | safe mode? |
| 11:19.54 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, Open a console. Log in as root. |
| 11:19.56 | flux | no... |
| 11:19.57 | SimonRaven | alt-F2, "start a shell" |
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| 11:20.10 | Michiel- | what? |
| 11:20.20 | flux | SimonRaven: and chroot ? |
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| 11:20.22 | EdLin | Michiel-: actually, log in as a regular user and su to root |
| 11:20.31 | EdLin | (better he develop good practices) |
| 11:20.34 | SimonRaven | run hardware detect, chroot |
| 11:20.35 | gnetux | hi everybody |
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| 11:20.55 | Michiel- | where do you want me to log in |
| 11:20.56 | SimonRaven | might want network detect/set up too |
| 11:21.12 | flux | hum ; yes... |
| 11:21.14 | gnetux | someone could tell me how can i configure moduls of kernel |
| 11:21.24 | gnetux | on a prebuild kernel |
| 11:21.45 | mrnomad | gnetux --- modconf |
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| 11:21.52 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, You can either open a console within your X-windows environment, or you can switch to a 'VT'. |
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| 11:22.04 | SimonRaven | and i just work up from a nap, heh |
| 11:22.11 | EdLin | Michiel-: you don't really need that, just right click on your GNOME desktop, select opening up a terminal, type "su" and type in the root password. Let me know once you've done that. |
| 11:22.15 | Nick_Hill | Using ctrl+alt+ F1 to F5 gives you different VTs. |
| 11:22.17 | gnetux | mrnomad:thanks |
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| 11:23.08 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, EdLin may be able to help you more, if he is more familiar with Gnome than I. |
| 11:23.21 | flux | SimonRaven: ok, thx :) |
| 11:23.25 | EdLin | actually I hate GNOME, but I know about it a bit from using it. :-) |
| 11:23.29 | SimonRaven | np |
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| 11:24.35 | Michiel- | thank you nick. i did what you told me edlin |
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| 11:24.52 | honschu | _/-=- ( May I serve you ? ) - =-_ |
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| 11:24.59 | EdLin | OK, use the "ls /media" command to see if you've got a mount point called "cdrom" there |
| 11:25.49 | EdLin | (don't worry about what "mount point" means for now, it will become clear in a minute) |
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| 11:27.36 | EdLin | Michiel-: still there? |
| 11:27.41 | Michiel- | yes |
| 11:27.51 | norskfjord | hello? |
| 11:28.03 | EdLin | there should be some directories under /media. Do you have one called "cdrom" there? |
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| 11:28.19 | Michiel- | it says no such file or directory when i press "ls/media" |
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| 11:28.33 | EdLin | Michiel-: you have to type a space between the ls command and /media |
| 11:28.43 | Michiel- | ok |
| 11:28.50 | norskfjord | I have loaded the ov511 cam module, now how do I view the cam? |
| 11:28.52 | EdLin | Michiel-: (ls is like the dos "dir" command) |
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| 11:29.06 | norskfjord | modprobe ov511 |
| 11:29.08 | billy | elp |
| 11:29.21 | Michiel- | still nothing |
| 11:29.35 | Michiel- | "ls /media" |
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| 11:30.13 | EdLin | Michiel-: OK, then you'll need to set things up manually. |
| 11:30.18 | Michiel- | ok |
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| 11:30.55 | EdLin | Michiel-: do you have a file called /dev/cdrom? |
| 11:31.08 | Michiel- | how do i find out? |
| 11:31.13 | EdLin | Michiel-: ls |
| 11:31.16 | norskfjord | reading config file: /root/.webcamrc |
| 11:31.17 | norskfjord | v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such device |
| 11:31.17 | norskfjord | v4l: open /dev/video0: No such device |
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| 11:31.22 | EdLin | Michiel-: ls /dev/cdrom |
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| 11:31.32 | norskfjord | I keep getting that error |
| 11:31.52 | norskfjord | why wont it work if I have don't apt-get install ov511-source |
| 11:32.18 | Michiel- | no such file |
| 11:32.18 | amorphix | hi |
| 11:32.23 | amorphix | if you are using grub bootloader and you need to upgrade Windows on the primary partition, that will screw grub right? is there a way around this? |
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| 11:32.31 | SimonRaven | what was the point of pasting that? don't paste here, see /topic |
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| 11:33.00 | EdLin | Michiel-: OK, then we have to find out what device your CD-ROM is. |
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| 11:33.17 | liable | amorphix: you mean reinstall windows/ |
| 11:33.21 | Michiel- | ok |
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| 11:33.31 | EdLin | Michiel-: this may be cryptic, but hopefully it will help. type dmesg | grep -i cd and see if it lists a CD-ROM device. |
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| 11:33.42 | amorphix | liable: yeah, say you need to reinstall Windows on the primary partition where bootloader lives |
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| 11:34.06 | liable | amorphix: then yes, you need to re-install grub |
| 11:34.08 | amorphix | liable: is restoring bootloader via a rescue media the only way? |
| 11:34.11 | Michiel- | between " "? |
| 11:34.20 | ranjeeth | i am using intel 915 gav mother board , i have audio & video drivers for susi linux how i can use it for ubuntu |
| 11:34.27 | EdLin | Michiel-: no "s |
| 11:34.28 | liable | amorphix: yes, via a boot cd |
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| 11:34.32 | amorphix | okay |
| 11:34.37 | amorphix | thanks |
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| 11:34.41 | hap | hi |
| 11:34.45 | liable | ranjeeth: #ubuntu |
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| 11:35.09 | hap | many of our spams come from master.debian.org from which a user forward mail to an account on our box |
| 11:35.20 | hap | didn't debian work on a antispam system for their mails ? :) |
| 11:36.54 | Michiel- | command not found |
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| 11:37.20 | EdLin | Michiel-: you must have typed something wrong. Type dmesg | grep -i cd. All on one line. |
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| 11:37.22 | Michiel- | ls /media |
| 11:37.48 | Michiel- | ok |
| 11:37.50 | EdLin | Michiel-: yes, I know. We are going to set things up manually since they weren't available for hardware detection on install |
| 11:37.59 | Michiel- | ok |
| 11:38.05 | Michiel- | i'll try |
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| 11:38.16 | EdLin | Michiel-: I have to go away for now, brb |
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| 11:38.33 | Michiel- | ok |
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| 11:39.35 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, the | is a pipe. It is a little-used symbol on the keybaord. |
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| 11:39.56 | Nick_Hill | On a UK keyboard, it is shift+backslash. May be different on yours. |
| 11:40.02 | Eno_ | when i have a nfs share mounted and the server goes down, is there anyway not to make the clients not freeze until the server comes back up? |
| 11:40.11 | Eno_ | to make them give up after a little while |
| 11:40.37 | Michiel- | i found it but the command just doesn't do anything |
| 11:40.39 | Eno_ | the freezing behavior isn't good for the clients |
| 11:40.42 | tarzeau | is there a way to unpatch something that you patched with a .diff? |
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| 11:41.23 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, Try dmesg | grep hdc |
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| 11:41.54 | linuxfreck | tarzeau: patch -R |
| 11:41.59 | gnetux | someone help me to configure the fucking ati video card |
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| 11:42.06 | Michiel- | ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfcf8-0xfcff, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio |
| 11:42.14 | Michiel- | that's what it says |
| 11:42.20 | gnetux | pleaaaaaaaaaasseeee |
| 11:42.32 | bakfupai | What would the correct apt-get procedure be for compiling the kernel? |
| 11:42.45 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, Did you have the CD rom drive plugged in when you booted the computer? |
| 11:42.53 | Michiel- | yes |
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| 11:43.14 | Michiel- | the light whent on also |
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| 11:43.42 | Michiel- | when i start cd player it says drive error |
| 11:43.48 | linuxfreck | dpkg: tell bakfupai about kp |
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| 11:44.16 | spr1n | hi, I have such problem: I cannot switch trough Ctrl+Alt+F[1-7] , and if I try that, I cannot go back to prevoius console nither to desktop manager. how do i fix it? |
| 11:44.20 | liable | tarzeau: #bash, sure they would know a way. :) |
| 11:44.29 | tarzeau | liable: linuxfreck helped me already |
| 11:44.31 | tarzeau | linuxfreck: thanks |
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| 11:45.22 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, It looks a lot like the CD rom drive hardware isn't being seen at all. |
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| 11:45.31 | Michiel- | right |
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| 11:45.47 | waxiewhite | hi |
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| 11:46.32 | Michiel- | maybe because it wasn't in when my friend installed linux? |
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| 11:47.08 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, I suggest powering down the machine, Checking the drive is seated, then rebooting the machine. The drive will be visible to the kernel if the hardware is in order. |
| 11:47.45 | Michiel- | i did that doesn't work |
| 11:47.50 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, The drive should show up even if the drive wasn't there when GNU/Linux was installed |
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| 11:49.26 | Nick_Hill | Michiel-, The Linux kernel searches for hardware when it boots, then puts comments about what it finds in dmesg. This is before it gets as far as the bits which will change |
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| 11:49.51 | waxiewhite | my debian hang when i am about to mount my Lexar jumpdrive...what could be the problem?? |
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| 11:50.10 | Michiel- | ok i'll try again |
| 11:50.21 | waxiewhite | it hang on my desktop but my laptop is ok to it...it always hangs consistently.. |
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| 11:50.43 | waxiewhite | my desktop is a clone....ASUS motherboard... |
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| 11:51.13 | waxiewhite | anyway, i just resorted using ubuntu in my desktop and it is now working ok... |
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| 11:51.37 | Darten | Hello everybody |
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| 11:52.20 | Darten | Aptitude shows a progress bar on the bottom, but where is it currently downloading from!?? |
| 11:53.19 | Nick_Hill | Darten, look att he file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:53.24 | Darten | I want to sort server where I have slow connection to, but HOW if it doesn't show where is it downloading from!?? |
| 11:53.28 | spr1n | can anyone help me? |
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| 11:54.04 | Darten | Nick_Hill, I know, I mean, from where is it downloading in this moment with the speed shown!? |
| 11:54.05 | Nick_Hill | Darten, If you use aptitude install <packagename> on the command line, it will ist where it is downloading from. |
| 11:54.30 | Darten | And on "u: Update" !? |
| 11:54.34 | Nick_Hill | Darten, Alternatively, you could use netstat to see open network conenctions. |
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| 11:55.41 | Darten | Nick_Hill: fazit, there is no way to get that information from aptitude... |
| 11:56.16 | Eno_ | is there a nice and easy way i can change permissions recursively on a directory, to set 755 on all directories and 644 on all files? |
| 11:56.26 | Eno_ | i don't like making all my files executible when they're not |
| 11:56.33 | Darten | Nick_Hill: it really makes me angry, that I cant sort out slow servers because I don't know which it is!! |
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| 11:57.16 | Nick_Hill | Darten, If the question is "Is there a way to make aptitude, when in curses mode, to display the current download location" the answer is I don't know. If the question is "Can I find out where I am downloading from" the answer is use netstat. |
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| 11:57.56 | r3tex | is there an unrar utility in sarge that is apt-gettable by default? |
| 11:58.03 | Darten | Nick_Hill, netstats shows me all connections of the machine, which doesn't help if it is quite loaded... |
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| 11:59.12 | Nick_Hill | Try netstat -t | grep www | grep ESTABLISHED |
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| 11:59.44 | Nick_Hill | ..Assuming you use http to get your packages. |
| 12:00.24 | Darten | Nick_Hill, yeah, I do, but anyway, should be aptitude telling me what it is doing... |
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| 12:00.59 | EdLin | Michiel-: wb |
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| 12:01.21 | Nick_Hill | Darten, I use aptitude in command line mode. I have never used it in curses mode. Perhaps file that as a bug. |
| 12:01.41 | tenco | how can i search for packages with a ".app" ending with apt-cache? apt-cache search \*.app gives an regex error |
| 12:01.57 | Nick_Hill | EdLin, Michiel- couldn't see either cd or hdc in dmesg. I suggested a hardware problem. Reboot after re-seating CD. |
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| 12:02.40 | tiago | teste |
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| 12:02.51 | tarzeau | tenco: apt-cache search "\.app" |
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| 12:03.09 | tiago | pessoal somente um teste do snarg |
| 12:03.21 | Darten | Nick_Hill, I would file a lot of bugs, but the last time I did, you had to use a E-Mail-only interface. It that still so? - All the "file a bug"-helpers assume that you have a working email support on the machine with the bug.... (Bad assumption... ) |
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| 12:03.31 | tenco | tarzeau: thanks! |
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| 12:03.55 | tarzeau | tenco: usually people want to search all minus *.app... |
| 12:04.10 | norskfjord | hey can you use windows fonts with debian? and where do I place them? |
| 12:04.15 | Michiel- | i just did, it still doesn't do anything |
| 12:04.20 | Michiel- | this is hopeless |
| 12:04.23 | tenco | tarzeau: i dont understand? |
| 12:04.25 | tarzeau | someone wants to try a dillo debian package with frames/tabs/i18n support patched in? |
| 12:04.35 | tarzeau | tenco: doesn't matter, not so important |
| 12:04.55 | spr1n | hi, I have such problem: I cannot switch trough Ctrl+Alt+F[1-7] , and if I try that, I cannot go back to prevoius console nither to desktop manager. how do i fix it? |
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| 12:05.07 | Michiel- | the thing is that i'm not in my country and ik really need this to work |
| 12:05.14 | Darten | Nick_Hill? |
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| 12:05.21 | Nick_Hill | Darten, reportbug --smtphost= can send emails to a remote mail relay. You don't need semdmail on the local machine. |
| 12:05.26 | norskfjord | ? |
| 12:05.27 | Michiel- | but i think i'll give up now |
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| 12:05.46 | Darten | Nick_Hill, I don't have an smtphost here. |
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| 12:06.09 | eXa_bOy | php |
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| 12:06.45 | Nick_Hill | Darten, Does your ISP have an mail relay? |
| 12:06.59 | Darten | Nick_Hill, it doesn't. |
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| 12:07.18 | norskfjord | hey can you use windows fonts with debian? and where do I place them? |
| 12:07.34 | Michiel- | nick hill and edlin, thank you for your time. bye |
| 12:07.51 | eXa_bOy | norskfjord trutype fonts are supported i believe |
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| 12:08.35 | EdLin | norskfjord: put them in ~/.fonts |
| 12:08.39 | Nick_Hill | Darten, Another option is to point the smtphost straight to the email host the bug report is destined for, |
| 12:08.47 | EdLin | norskfjord: or use apt-get install msttcorefonts |
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| 12:09.19 | EdLin | brb |
| 12:09.39 | waxiewhite | does debian also meant, deviant? |
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| 12:11.06 | tarzeau | nkuttler_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/dillo/ |
| 12:11.15 | kimda | hi guys. i am running debian etch. i have updated fetchmail and suddenly it starts asking for a password. any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 12:11.28 | Nick_Hill | Darten, You could try reportbug --smtphost=bugs.debian.org |
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| 12:12.56 | NyteRukh | morning |
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| 12:12.59 | pa | hello |
| 12:13.08 | NyteRukh | hows it going this morning |
| 12:13.15 | pa | when is it supposed that rcconf will be fixed? |
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| 12:13.25 | NyteRukh | dont know |
| 12:13.28 | pa | ok |
| 12:13.31 | NyteRukh | what is it? |
| 12:13.33 | pa | thanks |
| 12:13.39 | pa | rcconf |
| 12:13.43 | pa | like ntsysv |
| 12:13.48 | pa | (for redhat) |
| 12:14.05 | NyteRukh | so your running redhat or fedora or debian? |
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| 12:14.10 | pa | debian |
| 12:14.14 | foomatic2 | I run etch and I have upragde to X.org. I would like to reconfigure X altogether, what is the recomended way? (i.e. running XF86Config) |
| 12:14.31 | liable | !drxx foomatic2 |
| 12:14.32 | NyteRukh | ah..im still trying to figure out exactly what i can do with debian... |
| 12:14.35 | dpkg | foomatic2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:14.45 | liable | dpkg: you lag! |
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| 12:15.11 | kimda | hi guys. i am running debian etch. i have updated fetchmail and suddenly it starts asking for a password. any ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 12:15.42 | NyteRukh | etch? |
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| 12:15.48 | kimda | testing |
| 12:15.54 | liable | dpkg: you lag* is <reply> well, you suck $! |
| 12:15.54 | dpkg | liable: okay |
| 12:16.01 | liable | dpkg: you lag! |
| 12:16.07 | clojster | where can I find some java packages for debian Etch? |
| 12:16.16 | clojster | Blackdown |
| 12:16.19 | liable | dpkg: no, you lag* is <reply> well, you suck $1 |
| 12:16.19 | dpkg | liable: okay |
| 12:16.22 | liable | dpkg: you lag! |
| 12:16.24 | NyteRukh | lol |
| 12:16.27 | liable | meh |
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| 12:16.43 | liable | dpkg: you lag* |
| 12:16.43 | dpkg | well, you suck $1 |
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| 12:16.48 | liable | gah |
| 12:16.50 | NyteRukh | getting there |
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| 12:17.08 | Harzilein | hi there |
| 12:17.22 | liable | dpkg: forget you lag* |
| 12:17.33 | foomatic2 | !xmd5 |
| 12:17.33 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 12:17.44 | Darten | Nick_Hill, thanks! |
| 12:17.47 | Darten | +bye |
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| 12:18.02 | Harzilein | as usual, the end users don't care about why they cannot have the original firefox icon. i just want to know if there's a package (say, via apt-get.org) that will give it to me anyway |
| 12:18.28 | Harzilein | (to be able to include the dependency for it in some metapackage for my parents) |
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| 12:19.10 | liable | no, you lag* is you lag! is $1 <reply> well, you suck $1 |
| 12:19.14 | eXa_bOy | what package installs ssh? |
| 12:19.24 | liable | dpkg: no, you lag* is you lag! is $1 <reply> well, you suck $1 |
| 12:19.24 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, liable |
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| 12:21.05 | tombs | hi all |
| 12:21.23 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:21.23 | dpkg | methinks qotd120 is <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
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| 12:23.32 | foomatic2 | hm, anyone with an ATI X600 card? I can't get X to work with this card (other than a 640x480 resolution) |
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| 12:23.51 | Nick_Hill | Darten, np |
| 12:24.05 | andresito | hi there ppl |
| 12:25.34 | blaamann | foomatic2: What happen when you increase the resolution ? |
| 12:25.41 | spr1n | hi, I have such problem: I cannot switch trough Ctrl+Alt+F[1-7] , and if I try that, I cannot go back to prevoius console nither to desktop manager. how do i fix it? |
| 12:25.49 | andresito | i'm trying to install sarge on an amd64 box. i've grabbed a sarge netinst cd with kernel 2.6.12, and everything works fine, except the nic. it has a really weird mac-address according to ifconfig (double the length that a normal mac-address has), and the Encap is "unknown". |
| 12:25.49 | foomatic2 | blaamann: nothing at all |
| 12:25.57 | andresito | who should I kill? |
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| 12:26.13 | xelam | who should you kill? |
| 12:26.25 | foomatic2 | blaamann, I will restart X once me, be right back |
| 12:26.31 | foomatic2 | s/me/more |
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| 12:27.02 | andresito | xelam: stupid attempt at humour. ignore me... :) |
| 12:27.13 | xelam | right |
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| 12:28.42 | andresito | xalem: you don't happen to know anything about the differences in i386 and amd64 debian? I've never run debian on anything other than x86 |
| 12:29.06 | xelam | nope |
| 12:29.11 | andresito | oki |
| 12:29.35 | Boll | Any have any suggestions for a stable audio player that supports mp4? |
| 12:29.49 | Boll | +one |
| 12:30.01 | starscalling | hrm |
| 12:30.09 | blaamann | Boll: What is mp4 ? |
| 12:31.15 | Boll | No idea really, its the format used by iTunes |
| 12:31.32 | Guerin | mp4 is a mpeg-4 container format |
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| 12:31.42 | Boll | Xmms has a plugin for it, which unfortunately skips to the next track ~15 seconds before the end of the tune |
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| 12:31.48 | blaamann | Boll: I thought they used AAC |
| 12:31.57 | Guerin | blaamann: aac is the codec |
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| 12:32.04 | Guerin | blaamann: mp4 is the container format |
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| 12:32.49 | sylvisj | does anyone know of instructions for installing ATi cards? A friend is looking for help with his x800. |
| 12:32.55 | blaamann | Guerin: So iTunes uses AAC inside mp4 ? |
| 12:33.12 | Guerin | blaamann: right. |
| 12:33.32 | blaamann | Guerin: VLC probably support that |
| 12:33.46 | Guerin | blaamann: mplayer plays it. Xine and vlc should too; neither of these are specifically for audio, but they will wokr/ |
| 12:33.49 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:34.22 | Guerin | rarewares has packages and source for mpeg4ip-bin, which contains a cli player |
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| 12:34.51 | Boll | I am a pancy, I al like all-in-one gui players |
| 12:34.59 | Boll | -al |
| 12:35.00 | Guerin | sucks to be you, then |
| 12:35.19 | tarzeau | Guerin: i've looked at some packages there, and unf, some gave me headache |
| 12:35.27 | Guerin | !find mp4player |
| 12:35.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mp4player' returned no results. |
| 12:35.46 | Guerin | tarzeau: some of them have ... funky licensing issues |
| 12:35.57 | tarzeau | Guerin: which one do you mean? |
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| 12:36.08 | Guerin | tarzeau: some of the packages on rarewares |
| 12:36.29 | Guerin | i think it's monkey's audio which has a 'get permission' license |
| 12:36.29 | macween | quit |
| 12:37.04 | tarzeau | Guerin: not so portaudio |
| 12:37.16 | tarzeau | Guerin: that's the package that was horrible at rarewares, and i had to do my own |
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| 12:37.32 | tarzeau | oh wow, it's finally in main |
| 12:37.38 | tarzeau | now if only lame could enter as well |
| 12:37.51 | Guerin | tarzeau: heh. i've had some things randomly segfault |
| 12:37.57 | Guerin | tarzeau: like shorten |
| 12:38.14 | resiak | (which is in Sid's main) |
| 12:38.46 | Guerin | resiak: eew |
| 12:38.49 | Guerin | gstreamer |
| 12:38.56 | resiak | Guerin: No, seriously... then rhythmbox should Just Work. |
| 12:39.04 | tarzeau | i wonder when version 19 will enter sid |
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| 12:39.22 | resiak | Boll: If you use a gstreamer-based player, you can install gstreamer0.8-faad and it should all just work. |
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| 12:39.47 | Guerin | resiak: but then you have to use rhythmbox!!1 |
| 12:39.53 | ProN00b | where is the locate database located ? |
| 12:40.02 | Guerin | ProN00b: you don't need to know this |
| 12:40.11 | ProN00b | Guerin, i do |
| 12:40.16 | Guerin | ProN00b: but even if you do, you can use locate to find it |
| 12:40.19 | sylvisj | Anyone know where I can get help installing an ATi card on debian? |
| 12:40.33 | ProN00b | Guerin, whats that files name... |
| 12:40.35 | resiak | Guerin: This guy probably does, let's face it |
| 12:40.35 | Guerin | sylvisj: #ati |
| 12:40.41 | SimonRaven | stick card in agp/pci slot, load module, done |
| 12:40.44 | pumpkin0 | sylvis: which card ? |
| 12:40.54 | Guerin | ProN00b: dunno. I bet it has at least some of 'locate' and 'db' in it |
| 12:41.03 | Guerin | resiak: what makes you say that? |
| 12:41.11 | SimonRaven | ProN00b: hint: look in /var/lib |
| 12:41.21 | resiak | Guerin: 13:34 Boll : I am a pancy, I al like all-in-one gui players |
| 12:41.30 | Guerin | /var/cache |
| 12:41.38 | sylvisj | x800, pumpkin0 |
| 12:41.40 | Guerin | resiak: oh, i thought you werre talking about the locatedb guy |
| 12:41.43 | resiak | Guerin: Hell no. |
| 12:41.51 | SimonRaven | oh yeh |
| 12:42.12 | pumpkin0 | sylvisj: tough. Which version of debian ? sid, sarge, testing, unstable .. ? |
| 12:42.44 | sylvisj | Sarge |
| 12:42.48 | sylvisj | i386 |
| 12:43.14 | pumpkin0 | sylvisj: hmm.. may work. xorg or xfree ? |
| 12:43.20 | sylvisj | xorg |
| 12:44.13 | SimonRaven | xorg has nicer support for ati stuffs |
| 12:44.18 | Guerin | wait |
| 12:44.22 | Guerin | sarge doesn't have xorg |
| 12:44.30 | SimonRaven | no it doesn't |
| 12:44.32 | Guerin | so wither you're not using sarge, or you're not using xorg |
| 12:44.34 | gothtec | How can I make ctrl+alt+8 type a [ in X applications? I need ctrl+alt to do what Alt Gr does, like the default is in Windows, and even in DOS. I don't have KDE/Gnome, I use Fluxbox. |
| 12:44.35 | Guerin | which is it? |
| 12:44.58 | pumpkin0 | sylvisij: it should be detected if you add one option to xorg.conf. see: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3998 |
| 12:45.00 | SimonRaven | sylvisj: do X -version, what do you see as version? |
| 12:45.33 | SimonRaven | gothtec: use xmodmap |
| 12:45.52 | NyteRukh | :-| |
| 12:47.20 | sylvisj | This is for a fresh install, simon. |
| 12:47.22 | sylvisj | It's for a friend, not me. |
| 12:47.27 | gothtec | SimonRaven: I've tried to figure that out, but I just can't find an example of making two keys act as another only when pressed together. It'd be easy to make, for instance, ctrl be Alt Gr, but I kind of need ctrl to work as well. |
| 12:48.05 | SimonRaven | there's CTRL_L and CTRL_R, same for the other keys |
| 12:49.42 | sylvisj | Hmm... wouldn't forcing the x800 to be detected as 9800 maul it? |
| 12:49.53 | sylvisj | I mean, wow... killage of potential |
| 12:50.17 | pumpkin0 | sylvisij: Well... yes. But with the current driver you will not get any 3D-accl, anyway. |
| 12:50.19 | gothtec | Yes, but what I want is to make ctrl+alt act like Alt Gr only when pressed together, while keeping their functionality when pressed separately. Windows does that, and both VNC and Synergy base their transfer of the Alt Gr key on pressing both ctrl and alt at the same time. |
| 12:50.39 | sylvisj | So no 3d acceleration at all? |
| 12:50.43 | sylvisj | not even opengl? |
| 12:51.00 | pumpkin0 | sylvisij: yepp, that's the point. |
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| 12:51.19 | sylvisj | Ouch. |
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| 12:51.24 | sylvisj | Time to buy a 6800gt. |
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| 12:51.56 | pumpkin0 | sylvisij: you can try the closed-s drivers from ati. But i don't know if that will work |
| 12:52.18 | ProN00b | how can i format a hdd verry securely (overwriting it multiple times with nulls and random) ? |
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| 12:52.48 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda serveral times... |
| 12:53.05 | ProN00b | how does that take ? |
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| 12:53.47 | ProN00b | pumpkin0, how long does that take for like 300gb ? |
| 12:53.47 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: it overwrites hda with random stuff. It may takes hours, depending on the size and speed... |
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| 12:54.19 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: 60MB/s with 300GB, 7x at least. do the math... |
| 12:54.21 | bibe | ProN00b : it takes the time /dev/urandom outputs the size of your hd |
| 12:54.27 | sylvisj | Pumpkin... where can I get those? |
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| 12:54.42 | pumpkin0 | sylvisj: www.ati.com |
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| 12:58.32 | resiak | !ati drivers |
| 12:58.32 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 13:06.48 | elirips | hello people. i am thinking about buying a docking station for my laptop (ibm thinkpad). but will these things also work with linux? is it just a "wiring through", or does it need any additional software? |
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| 13:08.19 | liable | elirips: linux-thinpad.org :) |
| 13:08.23 | r3tex | elirips: most of the stuff works great |
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| 13:11.45 | ProN00b | how can i umount something through its "device is busy" ? |
| 13:11.57 | SimonRaven | oh man i'm so glad this hdd is fast, and on a fast card... |
| 13:12.04 | resiak | ProN00b: You use lsof to find outwhat's using it, then make those things not use it, then unmount it |
| 13:12.06 | SimonRaven | ProN00b: try cd / first |
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| 13:12.36 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: as root lsof -a | grep /<mountpoint> |
| 13:12.56 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: forget the -a |
| 13:13.25 | ProN00b | lsof says nothing |
| 13:13.30 | SimonRaven | 0000:01:00.0 Memory controller: Adaptec AIC-7815 RAID+Memory Controller IC (rev 02); 0000:01:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec 78902 |
| 13:13.37 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: are you root ? |
| 13:13.47 | ProN00b | yes |
| 13:13.55 | SimonRaven | SEAGATE Model: ST318203LW |
| 13:14.03 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: and you did forget the -a ? |
| 13:14.14 | ProN00b | yes |
| 13:14.34 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: and lsof gives you some output ? |
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| 13:15.00 | ProN00b | yes, without the grep it does |
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| 13:16.04 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: try lsof | grep <name-of-your-mountpoint-here> |
| 13:16.14 | ProN00b | i did... |
| 13:16.39 | simy | is there a command to see system stats (like cpu and ram?) or is that in the top of dmesg? |
| 13:16.52 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: fishy.. |
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| 13:16.57 | cahoot | pumpkin0: do you get any output from that command? |
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| 13:17.15 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: which command ??? |
| 13:17.17 | sylvisj | Anyone else getting a problem with the debian installer hanging on IDE Drive Detection? |
| 13:17.34 | pumpkin0 | cahoot: which command ??? |
| 13:17.38 | cahoot | pumpkin0: do you get any output from the command you tell ProN00b to use |
| 13:17.48 | ProN00b | pumpkin0, they are pretty similar, don't you think ? |
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| 13:18.05 | pumpkin0 | cahoot: yes. |
| 13:18.09 | pumpkin0 | ProN00b: sorry |
| 13:18.26 | revolution | hi guy |
| 13:18.42 | sylvisj | Sholdn't the debian installer detect and use my sata drive rather than hanging on IDE drive detection? |
| 13:18.44 | revolution | how can i get openoffice.org2 from apt-get? |
| 13:18.54 | ProN00b | umount needs a force option... |
| 13:19.03 | asg | revolution: ask #debian-oo |
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| 13:19.24 | pumpkin0 | sylvisj: SATA is not really a good idea, not all chipsets are supported. |
| 13:19.25 | revolution | asg,thankz |
| 13:19.27 | nanok | sylvisj: amd64 nvidia chipset board? |
| 13:19.56 | sylvisj | Yes. |
| 13:19.59 | sylvisj | nForce 4 |
| 13:20.06 | nanok | sylvisj: google debootstrap |
| 13:20.10 | nanok | sylvisj: ;) |
| 13:20.21 | sylvisj | Thx. |
| 13:20.24 | sylvisj | Reading up on it now. |
| 13:20.40 | nanok | it's quite easy really, dont let it scare you :) |
| 13:20.49 | sylvisj | ... alright... *runs in fear* |
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| 13:21.06 | sylvisj | I've never done a chroot |
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| 13:21.27 | pumpkin0 | sylvisj: it's not that hard. |
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| 13:21.37 | sylvisj | :( |
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| 13:21.42 | lupz | hi, is there a way to automount a device when inserted (a flash drive) not using gnome or kde tools (is a box without x too) ? |
| 13:21.43 | nanok | sylvisj: neither did i, before i first did it.. |
| 13:21.45 | nanok | duuh |
| 13:21.45 | sylvisj | Ok. Any sites for a walkthrough? |
| 13:21.46 | nanok | :) |
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| 13:22.10 | sylvisj | I've heard that it's good to just install an entire i386 distro for a chroot... |
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| 13:22.14 | nanok | sylvisj: yes, there is a comprehensive small howto on doing it for amd64 + debian |
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| 13:22.31 | sylvisj | Where woudl it be"? |
| 13:22.31 | pumpkin0 | lupz: automounter , but that failed already once today... |
| 13:22.31 | asg | sylvisj: the folks in #debian-amd64 probably have some good info also |
| 13:22.32 | nanok | the debootstrap that is |
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| 13:22.40 | sylvisj | debian-amd64 is pretty dead |
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| 13:23.07 | sylvisj | I know, nanok. Where would that walkthrough be? |
| 13:23.12 | lupz | pumpkin0: did you mean autofs ? it shouldn't mount the drive only when accessed not inserted ? |
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| 13:23.26 | nanok | sylvisj: i cant remember, i would have to google for it :) |
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| 13:23.36 | sylvisj | Could you? I'm unable to locate it |
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| 13:24.37 | nanok | sylvisj: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 13:24.57 | sylvisj | Thanks |
| 13:25.02 | pumpkin0 | lupz: i don't think you have that choice. It's mounted on insertion or not at all... |
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| 13:26.09 | Pixels- | this might be a dumb question, but im dual booting windows (for the gf) and debian, i just reinstalled debian, but now windows gives a blue screen error, and is unbootable. i can mount it in linux, is there anyway to rebuild its partition table without formatting? |
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| 13:26.34 | sylvisj | ... |
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| 13:26.55 | sylvisj | if you mounted it, and it's now blue screening, you probably corrupted the partition |
| 13:26.57 | lupz | pumpkin0: autofs mounts the device when needed (accessed), but i need something that mounts when inserted and maybe notify this... |
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| 13:27.14 | Pixels- | anyway to try to rebuild the partition? |
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| 13:27.30 | sylvisj | Windows CD installer |
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| 13:27.45 | sylvisj | Should have mounted it as read-only, or better yet, not mounted it |
| 13:27.48 | Pixels- | i tried the fixboot command |
| 13:28.02 | Pixels- | i only mounted it after it got corrupted |
| 13:28.04 | Pixels- | lol |
| 13:28.13 | sylvisj | You can still mount it in linux? |
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| 13:29.08 | Pixels- | yup |
| 13:29.11 | Pixels- | i have it open now |
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| 13:29.55 | sylvisj | Hmm... |
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| 13:30.24 | sylvisj | Intriguing. Your boot.ini file is probably corrupted, if you can mount it but not boot. |
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| 13:30.37 | Pixels- | hmm i just ran qtparted |
| 13:30.42 | Pixels- | and it cant access my drive now... |
| 13:31.02 | sylvisj | Reformat. Unless you can make yourself a new boot.ini, it's your only option. |
| 13:31.04 | Pixels- | critical error during ped_disk new! |
| 13:31.28 | sylvisj | Do I need to chroot if I install an i386 distro of debian? |
| 13:31.41 | tarzeau | sylvisj: no |
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| 13:31.52 | sylvisj | Great. Will it even work on my SATA drive? :| |
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| 13:32.04 | sylvisj | IT keeps hanging on IDE detection |
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| 13:32.29 | tarzeau | sylvisj: sure |
| 13:32.32 | liable | sylvisj: this is the latest sarge installer? |
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| 13:32.37 | sylvisj | 3.1r0 |
| 13:32.40 | tarzeau | sylvisj: i've built an sata kernel, and it worked fine |
| 13:32.49 | tarzeau | sylvisj: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 13:32.59 | liable | sylvisj: i had problems with a testing sarge installer on a sata controller.. |
| 13:33.11 | sylvisj | Tarzeau, I have no clue. 2.4, I think. |
| 13:33.19 | liable | sylvisj: but the stable one worked fine. |
| 13:33.22 | sylvisj | debian-31r0a-i386-netinst |
| 13:33.26 | sylvisj | that's the filename of the ISO |
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| 13:33.34 | liable | sylvisj: linux26 at boot |
| 13:33.36 | tarzeau | sylvisj: in alt-f2 type uname -a |
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| 13:33.58 | sylvisj | Alright. |
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| 13:34.07 | sylvisj | Will ahve to do later, have a download now. |
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| 13:38.52 | war92 | hey |
| 13:38.58 | war92 | is tp.nerim.net down perm? |
| 13:39.32 | war92 | anyone know? |
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| 13:41.14 | nkuttler_ | war92: why do you think it is? |
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| 13:42.18 | brullo | Does VNC server distribute LAN traffic via multicast? |
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| 13:43.31 | frank_b | hi all. how can I install the testing version of debian? are there .ISO images? |
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| 13:43.53 | SimonRaven | brullo: i doubt it. otherwise multicast incapable hosts couldn't run it |
| 13:44.05 | SimonRaven | frank_b: yes. www.debian.org |
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| 13:44.35 | frank_b | SimonRaven, ok. I'll look better then. sorry to bother you. |
| 13:44.41 | frank_b | bye |
| 13:44.45 | SimonRaven | no bother |
| 13:44.49 | frank_b | ok :) |
| 13:44.49 | brullo | SimonRaven, I want to send out impress presentataion (internal TV) via our LAN to 120 or 1000 users |
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| 13:45.22 | brullo | SimonRaven, the VNC client runs in /viewonly mode |
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| 13:48.19 | Eyaw_Nayr | quiet in here. |
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| 13:49.33 | brullo | Eyaw_Nayr, sorry, can't hear you ;-) |
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| 13:53.33 | solarce | is anyone aware of the latest openssl packges in unstable breaking anything that does ssl? |
| 13:53.51 | SimonRaven | bts does |
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| 13:54.41 | solarce | SimonRaven: hmm? |
| 13:54.53 | at0m|c | where can i set font as used in opera or jackctl menus? |
| 13:55.05 | SimonRaven | @btssmite solarce |
| 13:55.11 | liable | solarce: you prolly should install apt-listbugs |
| 13:55.15 | solarce | ah |
| 13:55.17 | at0m|c | numbers appear as [] square zero's for now :/ |
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| 13:55.28 | solarce | thanks |
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| 13:56.54 | at0m|c | afaik, both apps use qt for fonts, but i cant find where to set them up |
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| 13:58.18 | sylvisj | What is the pkg from apt-get that lets you config alsa? alsa-config or something, isn't it? |
| 13:58.42 | cahoot | sylvisj: alsa-utils IIRC - alsaconf |
| 13:58.49 | sylvisj | alsaconf! thx |
| 13:58.50 | at0m|c | oops, they're in ~/.qt/qtrc |
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| 14:01.03 | foomatic3 | how can I find out what is the latest available kernel for etch? |
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| 14:01.26 | SimonRaven | !tell foomatic3 -about search |
| 14:01.27 | solarce | I can't believe they broke openssl |
| 14:01.45 | foomatic3 | I think apt-get upgrade installed 2.6.13 but it does not appear anywhere.. |
| 14:01.58 | SimonRaven | nah, just stuff that depends on it broke ;p |
| 14:02.10 | solarce | well |
| 14:02.11 | SimonRaven | foomatic3: ls -l /boot ... |
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| 14:02.34 | SimonRaven | @wb RichiH |
| 14:02.34 | ravenbird | Welcome back RichiH, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
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| 14:02.41 | RichiH | oi |
| 14:02.47 | abrotman | io |
| 14:02.58 | RichiH | before you guys ask, i don't know the full extend of what heppened this weekend, either :p |
| 14:03.01 | foomatic3 | SimonRaven, thank you. No, there is only 2.6.8 under /boot |
| 14:03.13 | abrotman | RichiH: you got married!!!! |
| 14:03.20 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 14:03.36 | RichiH | heh |
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| 14:05.33 | Varanger | I have screw things!!! |
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| 14:05.51 | foomatic3 | I keep getting the error: hal: Depends: udev (>= 0.063) but 0.056-3 is to be installed |
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| 14:06.00 | Varanger | I installed grub in the boot record... and later I erased it |
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| 14:06.07 | Varanger | i can't boot my machine!!! |
| 14:06.21 | Varanger | how can I do? |
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| 14:06.56 | foomatic3 | hm, ok I found a work around for it |
| 14:07.07 | SimonRaven | boot install cd, run hardware and network detect, mount install, chroot to your install, fix grub (e.g., grub-install), umount install, reboot |
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| 14:07.28 | SimonRaven | *plop* |
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| 14:08.01 | Varanger | SimonRaven: There is no partition for chroot |
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| 14:08.18 | Varanger | I only have one partition for XP and the rest is blank |
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| 14:08.44 | fbi | uh, you erased more than just your mbr then |
| 14:08.46 | SimonRaven | oh, just parsed what you said... ouchie |
| 14:08.51 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 14:09.13 | fbi | time to reinstall! |
| 14:09.32 | SimonRaven | quite |
| 14:09.50 | Varanger | fbi: fdisk /mbr ? |
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| 14:10.05 | fbi | what about it |
| 14:10.14 | Varanger | can it fix the problem? |
| 14:10.18 | fbi | yes, that clears the mbr |
| 14:10.25 | Varanger | I would re-install NT loader at least...? |
| 14:10.28 | abrotman | Varanger: you're saying you messed up your windows installation and you want #debian to fix it ? |
| 14:10.28 | fbi | what problem? |
| 14:10.57 | fbi | you have no root partition for debian, there is nothing to fix |
| 14:10.59 | fbi | reinstall |
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| 14:11.49 | Varanger | abrotman: I wouldn't be that stupid |
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| 14:12.08 | abrotman | Varanger: you somehow destroyed your MBR .. there's no way to tell what you'd do |
| 14:12.23 | Varanger | What I want is that have Debian installed and in grub menu also have XP |
| 14:12.42 | abrotman | so just install woody |
| 14:12.43 | abrotman | err |
| 14:12.45 | abrotman | sarge |
| 14:12.48 | abrotman | !kill me |
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| 14:13.00 | Varanger | re-install again? |
| 14:13.30 | fbi | windows will overwrite lilo/grub if you install it after linux. |
| 14:13.50 | fbi | you need to either reinstall your bootloader or reinstall debian |
| 14:14.06 | Varanger | I mean if I should re-install Debian and that would fix the mbr ? |
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| 14:14.29 | fbi | you just said there is nothing to chroot to so i'm guessing you need to reinstall sarge |
| 14:14.40 | fbi | yes |
| 14:14.58 | fbi | the debian installer should add windows to grub for you |
| 14:15.56 | nvz | ~love dpkg |
| 14:15.58 | apt | If you love dpkg so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 14:16.03 | tarzeau | dpkg love Varanger |
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| 14:16.33 | airox | Damn nerds. |
| 14:16.34 | airox | ;) |
| 14:16.44 | tarzeau | nkuttler: got to try it? |
| 14:17.56 | nvz | irssi 0.1.7 o_O |
| 14:18.19 | Akkarin | Can anyone answer some of my knoppix questions? |
| 14:18.25 | fbi | no |
| 14:18.29 | nvz | Akkarin: sure the people in #knoppix |
| 14:18.33 | Ronin | Akkarin: #knoppix can |
| 14:18.40 | Akkarin | thnx |
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| 14:19.29 | nvz | 10:19am |
| 14:19.50 | nvz | thats when I was born ;) its also what time it is :P |
| 14:20.05 | nkuttler | tarzeau: hm? |
| 14:20.11 | tarzeau | nvz: your zodiac is? |
| 14:20.15 | nvz | Leo |
| 14:20.20 | nkuttler | tarzeau: ah, i see |
| 14:20.29 | tarzeau | nkuttler: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/dillo/ with frames and tabs and better rendering and ... |
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| 14:21.04 | nkuttler | tarzeau: is it for unstable? |
| 14:21.16 | tarzeau | nkuttler: yet |
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| 14:21.35 | tarzeau | nkuttler: shouldn't be too hard to rebuild on sarge though |
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| 14:23.34 | dakishi_ | i have found a backport for us debian users ease and secure update to KDE 3.4, how can i inform supiriors of how doing it? |
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| 14:23.44 | drzoot|laptop | hey all, trying to work out howto use the acpi for my laptop vid card to turn on the crt port, anyone know where i should start looking? |
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| 14:24.00 | tarzeau | dakishi_: #debian-kde |
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| 14:24.21 | dakishi_ | tarzeau, thx |
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| 14:24.41 | meff | anyone know how to disable console blanking? |
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| 14:24.55 | tarzeau | meff: sure, using setterm |
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| 14:25.07 | abrotman | !listvals blank |
| 14:25.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'blank' by value (10): knew: breadbox ;; workspaces ;; bus id ;; blank ;; blanket ;; slashd0t ;; screen blanking ;; www.lm-sensors.nu ;; flw44 ;; breadbox. |
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| 14:25.23 | tarzeau | anyone how to get sick with something cheaper and smaller dosage, compared to 50grams of peanut butter? |
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| 14:25.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: wrong channel ? |
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| 14:26.03 | abrotman | how much is 50grams of PB ? |
| 14:26.07 | abrotman | like .. cups |
| 14:26.10 | abrotman | quarts? |
| 14:26.11 | abrotman | gallons ? |
| 14:26.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm in europe |
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| 14:26.37 | jnk | what does "Har de har har" mean? |
| 14:26.38 | SimonRaven | 1/2 maybe |
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| 14:26.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: and in europe .. grams is volume ? |
| 14:26.46 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: not enough |
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| 14:27.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: you don't know kilogram and gram? |
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| 14:27.09 | SimonRaven | how much is a cup again? |
| 14:27.10 | nvz | jnk: means I suppose you are trying to be funny, but I wasn't amused |
| 14:27.13 | SimonRaven | in g |
| 14:27.14 | cahoot | tarzeau: ipecacuana |
| 14:27.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: are the volume ? |
| 14:27.22 | SimonRaven | ipecac |
| 14:27.24 | solarce | woo |
| 14:27.26 | abrotman | err they volume ? |
| 14:27.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: the weight |
| 14:27.28 | solarce | got it fixed |
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| 14:27.44 | tarzeau | cahoot: what dosage? |
| 14:27.48 | solarce | forced downgrades to testing :/ |
| 14:27.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: i asked the volume .. i know what 50 grams is .. but that doesn't help me visuzlize a volume of PB |
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| 14:27.56 | deepan | suppose i call screen from a mother bash.. that starts a screen by the name screen 1.. how do i get back to mother bash... \C-a\C-c toggles between screen 1 and screen 2.. but never goes to mother bash... .. |
| 14:28.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: think if 0,05 litre |
| 14:28.22 | nvz | deepan: C-a d |
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| 14:28.23 | SimonRaven | detach, ^a-z |
| 14:28.39 | SimonRaven | er, yeh. wtf was i thinking? |
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| 14:28.44 | cahoot | SimonRaven: : ipecacuanha |
| 14:28.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: i've heard a gallon of whole milk chugged will make a bloody mess out of your bathroom :) |
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| 14:28.52 | deepan | nvz that would detach.. i want to toggle |
| 14:28.53 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 14:29.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't want to drown |
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| 14:29.06 | MickMcMack | Hi, I have connected a second HardDrive, how do I know which device it is? |
| 14:29.09 | cahoot | tarzeau: 1-2 spoonfulls |
| 14:29.14 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 14:29.18 | fbi | abrotman: i've seen video of such a thing, it's horrible |
| 14:29.21 | nvz | deepan: you cant toggle. the controlling terminal is not part of screen |
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| 14:29.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: see .. fbi agrees |
| 14:29.39 | tarzeau | cahoot: can i get that legally? is it hallucigenic? |
| 14:29.51 | SimonRaven | hardly |
| 14:29.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. it makes you vomit .. uncontrollably for about half an hour |
| 14:30.12 | SimonRaven | it's a purgative |
| 14:30.20 | nvz | deepan: and C-a C-c doesnt toggle anything, it just creates a new screen with an extra keypress thats not needed |
| 14:30.34 | nvz | deepan: C-a C-a toggles between two windows last used |
| 14:30.35 | MickMcMack | I can't see the old HDD on the dmesg. :( |
| 14:30.44 | abrotman | and in the bios ? |
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| 14:30.48 | cahoot | SimonRaven: more like vomitinducing - purgative's the other end - no? |
| 14:30.52 | tarzeau | i'm looking for something smaller, to carry around in masses |
| 14:30.54 | SimonRaven | no |
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| 14:31.08 | tarzeau | and something that doesn't make me vomit, what a mess when you do that in a train |
| 14:31.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: 50lbs of PB is small! |
| 14:31.10 | m0r3 | hi all |
| 14:31.14 | SimonRaven | !dict purgative |
| 14:31.16 | dpkg | could not find definition for purgative |
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| 14:31.21 | jnk | nvz, thanks |
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| 14:31.29 | SimonRaven | bah, stupid thing doesn't have medical terms |
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| 14:31.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: not if you take that hourly during a day |
| 14:31.31 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:31.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: besides it's ugly when not from the fridge |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: you can't take ipecac hourly |
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| 14:32.02 | MickMcMack | abrotman, the BIOS goes too fast for me to see. |
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| 14:32.14 | SimonRaven | you can seriously harm someone doing that |
| 14:32.15 | abrotman | MickMcMack: uhm .. you could go into the bios |
| 14:32.29 | MickMcMack | Oh, you mean the BIOS setup screen thing? |
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| 14:32.35 | abrotman | thing .. yes |
| 14:32.37 | tarzeau | that, eh? http://images.google.ch/images?svnum=10&hl=de&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=ipecacuanha&btnG=Suche |
| 14:32.39 | MickMcMack | :) |
| 14:32.42 | MickMcMack | Ok, brbrbrbr. |
| 14:32.44 | jnk | nvz, well actually I still don't get it... I wanted to understand this: http://homepage.smc.edu/nestler_andrew/math7/rdrr.htm |
| 14:32.49 | tarzeau | what's the german name for ipecacuanha? |
| 14:32.50 | nvz | heh the judge's wife just called to ask if "Yinz are comming over for spaghetti today" |
| 14:32.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: i've never seen it on the leaf |
| 14:33.02 | nvz | I can't stop laughing |
| 14:33.13 | nvz | these yinzers crack me up |
| 14:33.24 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 14:33.39 | SimonRaven | fuck, this dumb thing takes 2 hours to build a kernel, and the box with supposedly less bogomips takes 1.5 hour |
| 14:33.51 | abrotman | more stuff |
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| 14:34.04 | stew | SimonRaven: the don't call them "bogo"mips for nothing |
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| 14:34.12 | SimonRaven | i know |
| 14:34.41 | SimonRaven | they're even more bogus than bush's election |
| 14:34.59 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: 2 hours? you've never built one on a sparc classic, takes 5+ hours |
| 14:35.28 | SimonRaven | the pipeline on those is even longer than x86... |
| 14:35.38 | Phated | SimonRaven: Bahah. |
| 14:35.54 | nvz | jnk: thats stupid. math jokes are rarely ever funny. though I used to poke fun in math class just to see the teacher get mad. Like when he would try tell me pi*r^2 I would be like "no pie are round, brownies are square" |
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| 14:36.20 | MickMcMack | Heh, I had connected it to the wrong SATA controller. :) |
| 14:36.22 | nvz | cakes really could go either way |
| 14:36.37 | nvz | I have yet to see a square Pie though |
| 14:36.57 | MickMcMack | But, abrotman, in dmesg, I still can't see it. |
| 14:37.09 | fbi | nvz: meat pies come in square shape |
| 14:37.15 | fbi | sometimes |
| 14:37.20 | fbi | also rectangle |
| 14:37.38 | nvz | then they arent pies as far as I am concerned |
| 14:37.38 | jayeola | but the round one taste funny |
| 14:37.57 | fbi | why not? it's a pie, with a filling |
| 14:38.08 | jayeola | ah, but it's an *art* |
| 14:38.22 | nvz | you may mean those little individually wrapped pies you get out of a vending machine |
| 14:38.32 | nvz | I rest my case |
| 14:38.35 | MickMcMack | Aha, got it. :) |
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| 14:38.43 | nvz | anything that comes out of a vending machine isnt real :P |
| 14:38.49 | jayeola | there was a near riot when my fish and chip shop stopped selling round ones |
| 14:38.56 | nvz | like them fuckin double soy burgers at work |
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| 14:39.02 | fbi | nvzno, i mean the ones you can buy from restaurants in england |
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| 14:39.23 | fbi | i don't eat food from vending machines |
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| 14:40.06 | nvz | am I in england, no. do yinzers care about global affairs? nope. We got enough people from all over the world that we don't care what happens anywhere else :P |
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| 14:40.33 | deepan | what is the device name for usb generally ? |
| 14:40.46 | Blissex | deepan: none, usually. |
| 14:40.49 | stew | deepan: there isn't a general usb device |
| 14:40.58 | MickMcMack | Weeee. ^^ |
| 14:41.05 | fbi | you were talking about math jokes and round pies. just telling you that there are non- round pies. |
| 14:41.30 | deepan | sorry thumb drive.. |
| 14:42.11 | jayeola | well pple in our area in london went nuts 'cos pies went from sqaure to round and back to suqare....me included |
| 14:42.13 | nvz | not in america :P Ever seen American Pie? yeah, he stuck his dick in a round pie.. |
| 14:42.16 | MrGinsu | check your sda0 |
| 14:42.17 | MickMcMack | Hmmz, another question: My graphics card is connected to two monitors. In console mode, I can see stuff on both screens, but when X boots, only one screen shows anything. |
| 14:42.23 | abrotman | fbi: yes there are! |
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| 14:42.31 | MickMcMack | How do I tell the other monitor to show something? |
| 14:42.35 | jayeola | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.47 | fbi | abrotman: i know! |
| 14:42.48 | Rockett18 | what vid card do you have MickMcMack? |
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| 14:43.00 | MickMcMack | Rockett18, nvidia7800GTX |
| 14:43.03 | timgoh0 | *boom* |
| 14:43.05 | abrotman | ask #nvidia |
| 14:43.07 | Rockett18 | nice card |
| 14:43.09 | MickMcMack | Cheers. |
| 14:43.09 | MickMcMack | :) |
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| 14:43.17 | Phated | EVACUATE |
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| 14:44.27 | MrGinsu | deepan: did you find your pen drive? |
| 14:44.34 | scarynetworkguy | *BOOM* |
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| 14:45.38 | Phated | OH MY GOD I'M SURROUNDED |
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| 14:47.16 | Dakishi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.36 | abrotman | freedesktop.org ? |
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| 14:48.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:48.24 | nvz | this is why you need to have a healthy level of off-topic conversation when nothing is happening. helps ward off the GNAA. They mistake you for one of them and move on to someone trying to seem intelligent |
| 14:48.24 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
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| 14:49.15 | timgoh0 | dpkg: Root of 4B^2 ? |
| 14:49.15 | abrotman | !qotd1 |
| 14:49.16 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 14:49.28 | nvz | heh |
| 14:49.43 | MickMcMack | Hmmz, does anyone know of somewhere I can compare my glxgears result to? -_- |
| 14:50.00 | nvz | glxgears is useless afaic |
| 14:50.00 | abrotman | !qotd101 |
| 14:50.01 | dpkg | i guess qotd101 is <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
| 14:50.21 | abrotman | MickMcMack: what are you getting ? |
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| 14:51.42 | nvz | dpkg, qotd54 |
| 14:51.42 | dpkg | <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
| 14:51.50 | abrotman | nvz: hehe |
| 14:52.01 | MickMcMack | abrotman, : |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | MickMcMack: that's not a number |
| 14:52.08 | MickMcMack | 94326 frames in 5.0 seconds = 18865.199 FPS |
| 14:52.12 | nvz | on the lighter side of things.. |
| 14:52.13 | Phated | Heh. |
| 14:52.15 | abrotman | and you're whining about that ? |
| 14:52.23 | MickMcMack | Where was I whining? |
| 14:52.34 | MickMcMack | I wanted to compare, to make sure I am getting the most out of my system. |
| 14:52.35 | nvz | dpkg, qotd1393 |
| 14:52.36 | abrotman | you'd have to ask #nvidia what you should be getting |
| 14:52.37 | scarynetworkguy | !qotd11 |
| 14:52.37 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 14:52.37 | fbi | 1.21 jigawatts? |
| 14:52.39 | nvz | dpkg, qotd139 |
| 14:52.39 | dpkg | i heard qotd139 is <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
| 14:52.51 | fbi | haha |
| 14:52.55 | nvz | :) |
| 14:53.04 | fbi | that's golden |
| 14:53.18 | Phated | Bahah. |
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| 14:54.40 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:54.40 | dpkg | i heard qotd93 is <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
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| 14:54.42 | nvz | that needs to scroll up already. I will keep reading it and laughing |
| 14:54.52 | nvz | heh |
| 14:55.04 | X-Coder | how do i configure XWindow |
| 14:55.14 | stew | !drxx X-Coder |
| 14:55.14 | abrotman | !drxx X-Coder |
| 14:55.14 | fbi | !drx |
| 14:55.15 | dpkg | X-Coder: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:55.16 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 14:55.28 | xerophyte | i changed few sysctl values is there anyway i can get all the sysctl value to the default ? |
| 14:55.30 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:55.30 | dpkg | [qotd24] <sanmarcos> Dabian: thank sanmarcos, not me |
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| 14:55.34 | fbi | hamster? wtf |
| 14:55.57 | nvz | thats a horrible qotd |
| 14:56.06 | X-Coder | its not i have try too many times |
| 14:56.20 | X-Coder | i got nVidia display |
| 14:56.21 | stew | xerophyte: you mean reset the sysctl.conf file to its original state? or set the /proc entries to the current settings in sysctl.conf? |
| 14:56.23 | abrotman | !flw |
| 14:56.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, flw41 is <wasabi> Gnea, I want no security. |
| 14:56.38 | nvz | the qotd should have been standardized to include [qotd24 yearmmdd] or such at the beginning |
| 14:56.48 | X-Coder | it says no screen found :/ |
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| 14:56.55 | nvz | er well you get the idea |
| 14:56.57 | GodKilla- | hey |
| 14:57.01 | abrotman | show us the EE line!!!! |
| 14:57.11 | GodKilla- | for some reason ethereal wont show any interfaces |
| 14:57.12 | xerophyte | stew, to reset the /proc entries to orginal state |
| 14:57.13 | nvz | so when you pick them at random you know which you are looking at and what day it was quote of |
| 14:57.15 | abrotman | /nick GodKillaKilla |
| 14:57.23 | stew | xerophyte: sysctl -p |
| 14:57.24 | GodKilla- | hey abortman ^^ |
| 14:57.29 | GodKilla- | abrotman |
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| 14:57.36 | fbi | abortman! |
| 14:57.39 | abrotman | it's ok .. i highlight on both :) |
| 14:57.39 | X-Coder | (EE) No Devices Detected |
| 14:57.40 | fbi | here we go again |
| 14:57.44 | stew | xerophyte: oh you mean original before setting it to the values in sysctl.conf? reboot |
| 14:57.49 | abrotman | fib: i know .. it's funny! |
| 14:57.53 | GodKilla- | oh lol, so this topy occurs more often? |
| 14:57.54 | abrotman | bfi: isn't it ? |
| 14:57.55 | fbi | haha |
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| 14:58.08 | stew | xerophyte: reboot after moving your sysctl.conf out of the way that is |
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| 14:58.13 | GodKilla- | topy = typo * :P |
| 14:58.23 | fbi | sure abortmodem, whatever you say |
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| 14:58.54 | nvz | the last 3 flw were mine. I got 4 of them now |
| 14:58.58 | X-Coder | so what to do? |
| 14:59.11 | nvz | I got a total of 17 factoids :P |
| 14:59.15 | GodKilla- | so, any idea why ethereal wont find any ifaces to capture ? |
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| 14:59.24 | fbi | i think it's time for a bong rip and some eggs |
| 14:59.24 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 14:59.25 | elirips | hello. if i buy an usb 4 port hub, so that i can attach more usb-devices to my laptop, that should all work without any software, or not? |
| 14:59.27 | GodKilla- | ifconfig shows me lan1 and loppback up |
| 14:59.51 | X-Coder | no.. |
| 14:59.53 | elvirolo | i'm really sick of ubuntu, so i'm considering moving to debian |
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| 15:00.13 | X-Coder | actually i'm new to it |
| 15:00.17 | elvirolo | can i install sarge (with a net install) and then upgrade to sid without any problems ? |
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| 15:00.24 | GodKilla- | debian is great, easy but you still got the chance to do everything yourself |
| 15:00.25 | RichiH | elvirolo: yes |
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| 15:00.29 | abrotman | elvirolo: sure .. why not |
| 15:00.37 | abrotman | RichiH: so what happened friday night? |
| 15:00.40 | RichiH | elvirolo: take care to upgrade to sid before installing many packages, though |
| 15:00.47 | RichiH | abrotman: good question |
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| 15:00.59 | abrotman | RichiH: that's why i asked a good person to ask! |
| 15:01.06 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
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| 15:01.25 | X-Coder | GodKilla-, unless and untill i figure out this problem |
| 15:01.30 | X-Coder | help me out! |
| 15:01.31 | elvirolo | RichiH: so I can install a minimal(ish) system to test uout debian's famous stability, and then upgrade to sid and then add more packages ? |
| 15:01.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:01.44 | GodKilla- | whats your problem X-Coder ? |
| 15:02.00 | X-Coder | (EE) No Devices Detected |
| 15:02.03 | RichiH | elvirolo: yes |
| 15:02.05 | row2 | what package glibconfig.h? |
| 15:02.11 | GodKilla- | where does this occure? |
| 15:02.15 | row2 | nm |
| 15:02.18 | GodKilla- | X-Coder |
| 15:02.18 | elvirolo | ok thanks |
| 15:02.25 | nvz | yep they are all still valid. even my DIY Svideo cable which I made several years ago |
| 15:02.27 | RichiH | abrotman: what i know for sure is that the account of a new staffer was abused |
| 15:02.29 | X-Coder | when i'm trying to open Xwindow |
| 15:02.30 | kikinovak | Hi. I use Vim a lot, though only on my local machine. I'd like to use it to open files on my webhost (ftp.kikinovak.net). I used to do such a thing on a Mac with BBEdit, and it was very useful. Is it possible to do this with Vim without having to jump though loops? |
| 15:02.32 | GodKilla- | i mean what are you trying to do |
| 15:02.34 | elvirolo | ubuntu is just getting way too ubnstable and buggy |
| 15:02.40 | abrotman | RichiH: it wasn't me .. i promise! |
| 15:02.44 | RichiH | abrotman: heh |
| 15:02.50 | X-Coder | trying to install Xserver |
| 15:02.50 | RichiH | abrotman: i don't know who abused it, though |
| 15:02.56 | abrotman | RichiH: i blame l0bstarr :) |
| 15:03.08 | GodKilla- | hm |
| 15:03.20 | stew | elvirolo: don't expect debian unstable to be less buggy than ubuntu, you may want testing instead |
| 15:03.22 | GodKilla- | do "ls /dev/" |
| 15:03.42 | elvirolo | stew: i've already used sid in the past, and found it pretty stable |
| 15:03.49 | X-Coder | ok then |
| 15:04.00 | nvz | the rumor I heard was that the GNAA 0wned a staffers kids pc |
| 15:04.01 | elvirolo | ubuntu breezy is just awful |
| 15:04.10 | GodKilla- | well dows it show a lot of stuff ? |
| 15:04.13 | GodKilla- | does* |
| 15:04.16 | X-Coder | yes |
| 15:04.25 | GodKilla- | what kernel? |
| 15:04.26 | nvz | if your child is a member of the GNAA you probably shouldnt be freenode staff :P |
| 15:04.27 | elvirolo | i've spent hours sending bug reports ... their release is absolutely full of bugs |
| 15:04.34 | kikinovak | elvirolo: what do you particularly dislike about it? |
| 15:04.37 | nvz | or you should beat your children more often |
| 15:04.45 | abrotman | nvz: always |
| 15:04.52 | X-Coder | no kernel |
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| 15:04.58 | GodKilla- | Oo |
| 15:05.03 | GodKilla- | what linux kernel? |
| 15:05.09 | X-Coder | debian |
| 15:05.13 | GodKilla- | -_- |
| 15:05.19 | GodKilla- | you did netintsall ? |
| 15:05.24 | elvirolo | kikinovak: they want to be absolutely bleeding edge but some things that worked in the previous release don't anymore (like my printer & scanner) |
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| 15:05.34 | X-Coder | no i have got CDs |
| 15:06.11 | elvirolo | i prefer using conf files rather than buggy gui's |
| 15:06.19 | GodKilla- | abrotman, how to find out what kernel your running? |
| 15:06.45 | abrotman | GodKilla-: i'd have to tell you |
| 15:06.46 | X-Coder | :/ |
| 15:06.58 | GodKilla- | lol |
| 15:06.58 | abrotman | GodKilla-: uname -r |
| 15:07.05 | abrotman | and it's you're |
| 15:07.11 | GodKilla- | do that X-Coder |
| 15:07.14 | X-Coder | ok |
| 15:07.31 | GodKilla- | abrotman im too lazy to care for english grammar |
| 15:07.35 | GodKilla- | in chat that is |
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| 15:07.38 | X-Coder | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 15:07.45 | abrotman | GodKilla-: at least you can spell grammar correctly :) |
| 15:07.46 | GodKilla- | have you got a sata hd ? |
| 15:07.58 | nvz | cant anyone recommend any other places to find cheap hardware online? I've seen about all pricewatch has to offer. at this point I am leaning towards buying an old Thinkpad for $200-$400. Don't say Ebay I don't do auctions when I need something I want to know the price and that if I give the cash I will get the product :P |
| 15:08.13 | GodKilla- | x-Coder i would suggest to install linux again with kernel 2.6 |
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| 15:08.23 | abrotman | nvz: anysystem.com !!! |
| 15:08.25 | X-Coder | hmmm |
| 15:08.30 | GodKilla- | where debian asks to press enter for boot type linux26 |
| 15:08.33 | abrotman | nvz: there's half.com |
| 15:09.01 | X-Coder | ok |
| 15:09.02 | nvz | abrotman: for a site called "AnySystem" it seems to be just sun systems :P |
| 15:09.14 | X-Coder | thank you so much GodKilla- & abrotman |
| 15:09.16 | abrotman | nvz: you just said cheap hardware! |
| 15:09.16 | X-Coder | i brb |
| 15:09.18 | GodKilla- | anyone here tried solaris already? |
| 15:09.22 | GodKilla- | k |
| 15:09.34 | abrotman | GodKilla-: i used to admin solaris |
| 15:09.34 | X-Coder | i will come back to you if i had any problem again. thanks |
| 15:09.39 | nvz | abrotman: yeah, well I mean portable hardware. |
| 15:09.45 | GodKilla- | k X-Coder |
| 15:09.49 | antgel | elvirolo: please be aware that debian unstable and testing are not supported, and are not backed by "debian's famous stability", even though most get on ok with them most of the time. |
| 15:09.50 | drzoot|laptop | anyone know how to enable the crt or tv out on a laptop with an ati graphics card? using the proprietry drivers |
| 15:09.52 | GodKilla- | abrotman: whats it like? |
| 15:10.22 | abrotman | GodKilla-: i miss it |
| 15:10.30 | antgel | drzoot|laptop: ask the vendor support |
| 15:10.32 | abrotman | nvz: want a tadpole laptop ? |
| 15:10.36 | GodKilla- | ive heard the novell admin tools are great |
| 15:11.00 | nvz | abrotman: and I was going for $50-$150 area originally planning on getting something like an HP graphing calculator since they are highly portable and can be programmed to meet my current needs. but if I am going to spend like $150-$200 on a fucking calculator I might as well look into getting a whole pc. |
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| 15:11.20 | abrotman | nvz: won't get you much laptop |
| 15:11.23 | antgel | abrotman: two egg bagels |
| 15:11.38 | abrotman | nvz: might be better to get an old zaurus and load linux on it |
| 15:11.41 | abrotman | antgel: ok |
| 15:11.50 | abrotman | antgel: how about .. "wedding beer hangover" :) |
| 15:11.57 | antgel | abrotman: ouch |
| 15:12.01 | nvz | abrotman: there are laptops from 366mhz-1.2ghz for $200-400 |
| 15:12.06 | ProN00b | does anyone know how long "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdc" takes for a 300gb hdc ? |
| 15:12.12 | abrotman | at least it didn't go as badly as the last wedding i went to |
| 15:12.23 | abrotman | nvz: IBM has refurb stuff too |
| 15:12.28 | nvz | abrotman: for example http://www.liquidationetc.com/52/cat52.htm?824 |
| 15:12.36 | nvz | abrotman: starting at $189 there |
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| 15:12.58 | abrotman | i vote T20 |
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| 15:13.06 | marculix | ProN00b: I would expect about 15 minutes... |
| 15:13.14 | ProN00b | 15 minutes ? |
| 15:13.19 | marculix | or 10 minutes yes |
| 15:13.32 | ProN00b | shredding 70 gig took me about a hour *_* |
| 15:13.42 | ProN00b | so that will only take 10minutes ? |
| 15:13.53 | ProN00b | (shredding a 70gig file) |
| 15:14.02 | marculix | ProN00b: when you have a benchmark, why you ask? |
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| 15:14.25 | nvz | abrotman: that half.com is more useless than ebay, and hosted by them. it doesnt even contain computer hardware other than video games that I can see I searched and the only valid results pointed to ebay auctions |
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| 15:14.40 | Xchico | exit |
| 15:14.41 | marculix | ProN00b: then about 5hours... |
| 15:14.42 | Xchico | quit |
| 15:14.44 | antgel | ProN00b: don't destroy your pr0n! upload it somewhere for us to peruse! |
| 15:14.45 | nev | How do I see in Debian all the packages which depend on a particular package? |
| 15:15.00 | ProN00b | 5 fucking hours !?! |
| 15:15.05 | ProN00b | whats wrong with that box |
| 15:15.14 | tarzeau | is there some tools to record audio in the console? |
| 15:15.14 | nvz | abrotman: who wants stale pr0n when you can go look at today's pr0n |
| 15:15.20 | nvz | antgel: ^^ |
| 15:15.21 | Dakishi | what package can manage the tar.bz2 files ?? |
| 15:15.33 | antgel | hey tarzeau |
| 15:15.38 | tarzeau | hey antgel |
| 15:15.45 | tarzeau | Dakishi: mc |
| 15:15.52 | thingfish | nev: man apt-cache |
| 15:15.53 | tarzeau | it can convert the shit to tar.gz |
| 15:16.01 | Dakishi | thnak you |
| 15:16.02 | marculix | Dakishi: bzip2 package is for bz2 |
| 15:16.06 | tarzeau | nvz: url? |
| 15:16.10 | antgel | Dakishi: what do you mean manage? |
| 15:16.13 | nvz | tarzeau: ? |
| 15:16.20 | tarzeau | 17:15 < nvz> abrotman: who wants stale pr0n when you can go look at today's pr0n |
| 15:16.21 | Dakishi | unbz2 it |
| 15:16.34 | nev | thingfish: thank you... |
| 15:16.38 | antgel | nvz: and passwords as well :) |
| 15:16.49 | abrotman | yes? |
| 15:17.03 | abrotman | nvz: oh |
| 15:17.36 | antgel | nvz: my irssi completion picks out the last to talk. surprised it's not working for you |
| 15:17.50 | nvz | tarzeau: today's pr0n is everywhere. www.linktoy.com, www.pinkworld.com, www.sexhungryjoes.com, www.booble.com will list more than I can think of. I only know which ones my father and his brother the master pr0n surfers use all the time. |
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| 15:18.14 | antgel | nvz: father. brother. sure. :) |
| 15:18.19 | adi_ | !vp6 |
| 15:18.21 | Phated | booble.com? :D |
| 15:18.27 | nvz | Phated: *nod* |
| 15:18.39 | GodKilla- | lol |
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| 15:19.27 | Dakishi | okey this is wierd can any one help me with this one, i got 2 Trash bin, and i cannot delete neither of them.... |
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| 15:20.07 | antgel | !tell Dakishi about vague |
| 15:20.11 | nvz | antgel: my cousin told me about hungry joe, cause he said when he was in college it was the only site that didnt use content that was recognised by their filtering. and my uncle uses that pinkworld. I found linktoy one day about a year ago. I don't surf porn all day every day like they do. I'm pretty convinced that in my teen years I've seen everything there is to see. and that was too much |
| 15:20.16 | tarzeau | Dakishi: gnome? |
| 15:20.32 | Dakishi | KDE tarzeau |
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| 15:21.41 | nvz | sure there is new pr0n but you can only do so much, and I've seen it all. the worlds largest boobs, women sitting on construction cones, asian women shitting on each other.. online pr0n is mostly for people with a severe fetish of some sort. |
| 15:21.52 | dogmeat | my microsoft windows xp laptop insists that i reboot. |
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| 15:22.28 | dogmeat | T-4 minutes and counting |
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| 15:23.02 | nanok | dogmeat: he is right. make sure you have a sarge cd inside when you do.. |
| 15:23.10 | nanok | ;) |
| 15:23.15 | nanok | bye |
| 15:24.10 | nvz | I for one am not a real big sex freak who won't be satisfied until I see every woman nude. I am happy with finding one, a real one, that looks good and seeing her naked. I've seen enough random people nude online to know they are not all pleasent to look at without clothes on |
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| 15:25.51 | kvidell | What was the "Forbidden Channel" crap earlier? |
| 15:25.56 | hagen | !kernel 2.6.12 |
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| 15:26.18 | Dakishi | i have deleted one of 2 trash bin that i had on my desktop and now the trash bin is wont do its function, i cannot empty it it is now a normal folder, how can i fix this? |
| 15:26.36 | hagen | hello.. why i dont exist pkg kernel-image-2.6.12??? |
| 15:26.48 | lahgoon | hello, I have downloaded debian-installer from svn, and built it with "make build_netinstall" and where do I find the binaries now? |
| 15:26.49 | thc | internet porn makes you impotent, we're going to see a decline in the birthrate thanks to millions of thumbnails of nakedness |
| 15:26.51 | hagen | why dont exist suck package i mean =S |
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| 15:27.51 | thc | suck package? |
| 15:27.55 | thc | i want that! |
| 15:27.59 | nvz | kvidell: earlier as in like two days ago earlier? |
| 15:28.08 | SimonRaven | added CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY :) |
| 15:28.08 | thc | does the suck package depend on the blow package? |
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| 15:28.31 | SimonRaven | this thing is bit more "livable" now |
| 15:28.58 | nvz | thc: I don't see a decline in the birthrate a problem in most countries |
| 15:28.58 | SimonRaven | thc: has a pre-dep on vacuum |
| 15:29.10 | thc | haha |
| 15:29.18 | thc | nvz: do you always take everything so seriously? |
| 15:29.26 | nvz | thc: if anything it will be beneficial to society |
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| 15:29.42 | nvz | thc: no, you are probably right. but its not a bad thing |
| 15:30.21 | beleys | Yop |
| 15:30.33 | thc | nvz: either way, porn is useless. it was cool when i was a teen, stealing my dad's playboys from the 70's. |
| 15:30.35 | pem3v78 | I got problem setting lmsensors. Rigth after the alarm is triggered it clears itself for no reason. Am I missing something ? (I set CPU high) |
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| 15:31.49 | nvz | thc: yeah thats how I feel about it for the most part. its like anything else. it was only interesting when it was new and you werent suppose to have it |
| 15:31.54 | kvidell | nvz: er... yea, I dunno. Was that two days ago? :-P I don't pay very much attention to this screen session, and I was at a pumpkin festival all yesterday.. |
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| 15:32.01 | happychappy | Hello |
| 15:32.38 | nvz | kvidell: the freenode services were 0wned by the GNAA and most all channels were shutdown when ChanServ got taken over |
| 15:32.40 | happychappy | My friend said I can set ppp to send the broadcast to dyndns.org and he said to look in /etc/ppp.conf but there is no file |
| 15:32.47 | happychappy | How can I do this? |
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| 15:33.51 | happychappy | anyone? |
| 15:33.58 | pem3v78 | happychappy: look at dyndns.org for solution |
| 15:34.16 | happychappy | what do you mean? |
| 15:34.40 | pem3v78 | if you want to update your ip you need to use a daemon |
| 15:34.49 | pem3v78 | it's described at their site |
| 15:35.03 | happychappy | I know that |
| 15:35.09 | m0r3 | bye |
| 15:35.14 | happychappy | Im talking about making my host on or the name |
| 15:35.20 | happychappy | guardian.homelinux.net |
| 15:35.25 | happychappy | I want to make that my hostname |
| 15:35.37 | madafaka | where can i get ssh authorization key for some of the push mirrors? |
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| 15:36.29 | manioul | happychappy apt-cache search dyndns? |
| 15:36.38 | happychappy | because yeah, it still shows my ip on irc |
| 15:36.47 | happychappy | but I got it masking my ip for http |
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| 15:37.30 | lahgoon | hello, I have downloaded debian-installer from svn, and built it with "make build_netinstall" and where do I find the binaries now??? |
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| 15:38.00 | happychappy | manioul, I already got ddclient, and dyndns is working as 'guardian.homelinux.net' but I want it to say that as my irc hostname, not my isp hostname, how can I do this? I was told I need reverse dns |
| 15:38.49 | manioul | happychappy dunno that... i thought u wanted to setup dyndns... |
| 15:38.57 | happychappy | nah |
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| 15:39.07 | waltz | ok |
| 15:39.09 | happychappy | I want to mask my ip on irc with it |
| 15:39.10 | abrotman | nvz: T20!!! |
| 15:39.20 | waltz | I successfully installed the Debian base system from a full CD install |
| 15:39.27 | waltz | but how do I install the rest of the CDs? |
| 15:39.28 | abrotman | !prize waltz |
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| 15:39.34 | abrotman | waltz: do you have broadband ? |
| 15:39.34 | waltz | ty :) |
| 15:39.38 | happychappy | waltz, wow |
| 15:39.38 | waltz | yes |
| 15:39.38 | manioul | happychappy is it really useful as a whois would give it back?.... |
| 15:39.50 | abrotman | waltz: it's normally better to use an http source instead of the CDs |
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| 15:40.05 | waltz | but I have already downloaded and burned the files to the CDs |
| 15:40.07 | happychappy | manioul, what do you mean? |
| 15:40.10 | nvz | abrotman: 8MB Video S3 Adapter |
| 15:40.11 | waltz | I have 3 additional CDs |
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| 15:40.16 | nvz | abrotman: eww |
| 15:40.16 | abrotman | waltz: i know .. but it's better to use http :) |
| 15:40.20 | waltz | ok |
| 15:40.23 | abrotman | nvz: hrm .. yeah .. i guess |
| 15:40.31 | waltz | I already tried ftp |
| 15:40.33 | abrotman | waltz: run `apt-setup` and pick a mirror |
| 15:40.39 | abrotman | waltz: does your network not work ? |
| 15:40.51 | magyar_ | how do i re-gain my nick? |
| 15:40.54 | waltz | I'd rather extract the files from the CDs |
| 15:40.58 | abrotman | magyar_: #freenode |
| 15:41.03 | nvz | abrotman: S3 sucks enough in desktops in a laptop it will probably impload from the suckage |
| 15:41.03 | waltz | Because I already have them. |
| 15:41.03 | abrotman | waltz: apt-cdrom then |
| 15:41.11 | traj | what is the last kernel for stable version please? |
| 15:41.18 | waltz | that's the cmd? |
| 15:41.19 | abrotman | waltz: but you sohuld really setup the security sources |
| 15:41.22 | abrotman | waltz: apt-cdrom |
| 15:41.32 | abrotman | traj: sarge has 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 15:41.36 | waltz | I have set up the security sources |
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| 15:41.52 | abrotman | waltz: ok .. then just use apt-cdrom to scan the rest of the CDs |
| 15:41.57 | traj | thx abrotman so i have the lattest one |
| 15:42.04 | waltz | For some reason when I try to install (from http, ftp, or cdrom) it fails though. |
| 15:42.05 | xnet | how do i mount .cue files? |
| 15:42.07 | manioul | happychappy if you hide your ip behind a hostname, by making a dns request u get the ip |
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| 15:42.16 | abrotman | traj: if you say so |
| 15:42.18 | abrotman | !cue |
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| 15:42.28 | manioul | happychappy its just cosmetic.... |
| 15:42.33 | xnet | !cue |
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| 15:42.44 | happychappy | thats alright, but it will say it first, like a vhost |
| 15:42.54 | nvz | abrotman: I can probably have my original budget for the calculator or a little more sometime this week. if its more in the $250-$400 range I will probably have to save until next week |
| 15:43.12 | waltz | abrotman, can I talk with you in privmsg please? |
| 15:43.22 | manioul | happychappy oki. but i dont know how to do it :'( |
| 15:43.34 | abrotman | waltz: i'd rather keep it in here .. more eyes in case i make a mistake |
| 15:43.49 | waltz | Well ok. |
| 15:43.58 | waltz | Are the CDs supposed to be ISO images? |
| 15:44.13 | abrotman | they are when you download them .. and you burn them as ISOs .. not as data |
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| 15:44.21 | waltz | Correct. |
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| 15:45.00 | waltz | What could be the reason that the packages aren't being extracted? |
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| 15:45.12 | abrotman | waltz: i'd need an error message |
| 15:45.18 | abrotman | and if it's long .. use #flood |
| 15:45.24 | nvz | abrotman: I really would like to see more variety I've so far only looked at pricewatch.com, hp.com, palm.com, sharp.com and a little on ebay but I really hate ebay with a passion. when I want or need something I dont want to play games. I want to know how much it costs and know that I can have it for that much. the only time I bid on ebay was for a volvo part and I ended up making the other idiot pay $200 more for it and never got the damn thi |
| 15:45.27 | waltz | How do I log the messages? |
| 15:45.55 | nvz | abrotman: sharp.com doesnt have any info about pricing or sales of their portables. which is really annoying. |
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| 15:46.07 | abrotman | waltz: copy/paste |
| 15:46.16 | abrotman | nvz: i don't htink you can buy direct from sharp |
| 15:46.22 | waltz | uhmm... |
| 15:46.32 | nvz | abrotman: actually thats not even their website, sharp.com is some health service |
| 15:46.36 | nvz | abrotman: but you get the idea |
| 15:46.47 | waltz | I'm installing the system on a remote harddisk... |
| 15:46.50 | abrotman | nvz: sharpusa.com .. i know |
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| 15:47.10 | abrotman | waltz: oh ... can you just give me the gist of the error |
| 15:47.54 | abrotman | nvz: http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/PromotionDisplay?storeId=1&catalogId=-840&langId=-1&promoId=1074771426 |
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| 15:48.07 | waltz | A display appears telling me that the packages are corrupt |
| 15:48.13 | waltz | ermm |
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| 15:48.24 | abrotman | waltz: could be the CD is biffed |
| 15:48.34 | waltz | The cd isn't. |
| 15:48.36 | abrotman | waltz: this is another reason why we recommend http sources |
| 15:48.51 | waltz | I've tried the http and ftp ok. |
| 15:48.55 | waltz | Same thing. |
| 15:49.05 | abrotman | so all packages you try to install are corrupt ? |
| 15:49.19 | waltz | Apparently so. |
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| 15:49.29 | waltz | It segfaults. |
| 15:49.38 | waltz | Not necessarily corrupt. |
| 15:49.48 | waltz | A display window comes up telling me a list of possible errors. |
| 15:49.56 | abrotman | waltz: are you sure the drive is ok ? |
| 15:50.04 | waltz | Like the packages are outdated or cannot be read... |
| 15:50.15 | waltz | The drive installed the base system. |
| 15:50.16 | abrotman | waltz: you have ssh access to the machine ? |
| 15:50.22 | waltz | No. |
| 15:50.32 | abrotman | then .. how are you doing stuff remotely ? |
| 15:50.46 | waltz | I'm installing it on this machine using a different harddisk. |
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| 15:50.54 | TiMiDo | !spam |
| 15:50.54 | dpkg | [spam] a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) |
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| 15:51.09 | waltz | ... |
| 15:51.24 | abrotman | waltz: if you look in /etc/apt/sources.list .. do they point at .. stable,sarge,etch,testing,sid, or unstable ? |
| 15:51.46 | waltz | How do I look there? |
| 15:51.53 | abrotman | cat |
| 15:51.53 | nvz | abrotman: hmm I wouldnt spend any more than than like $400 and thats only if it looked really good. the T22 there is $389 but doest have enough specifics to interest me. and from what I can see its got a DVD I dont really need and Windows 2000 I wouldnt use as a coaster. I really dont want to feel like I am buying stuff I will never use. I usually dont buy hardware at all. |
| 15:51.56 | TiMiDo | waltz nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:52.24 | waltz | hmm ok |
| 15:52.25 | abrotman | nvz: it doesn't matter .. it's 80$ than the T20 on that other site |
| 15:52.35 | waltz | What if they point to stable, which they probably do? |
| 15:52.41 | nvz | abrotman: the reason I am leaning towards thinkpads is because they are fairly solid and well supported by linux, and I have a lot of thinkpad parts that were being thrown out.. old cdroms, hds, mobos..etc |
| 15:52.46 | GodKilla- | is it possible to mount a ftp space to your hd ? |
| 15:53.06 | abrotman | !ftpfs |
| 15:53.06 | dpkg | a virtual filesystem for transparent FTP access. 'apt-get install ftpfs-src ftpfs-utils' |
| 15:53.26 | abrotman | waltz: that's what i'm trying to determine |
| 15:53.34 | GodKilla- | ty abrotman |
| 15:53.43 | waltz | say they do... |
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| 15:54.10 | nvz | abrotman: Windows usually makes up about 15% of the cost of a system. and I will likely not even use it. Especially Win2k because it is the reason I started using linux exclusivly. It done me horribly wrong in the past. I will not support such crap |
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| 15:54.14 | abrotman | waltz: i'm trying to make sure you'r enot using unstable |
| 15:54.21 | abrotman | nvz: it's a refurb |
| 15:54.27 | abrotman | nvz: and IMO .. it's worth it |
| 15:54.38 | waltz | I installed a stable release if that's what you're inqurying about. |
| 15:54.48 | waltz | 'sarge' |
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| 15:55.09 | abrotman | waltz: ok .. and you can't unpack any packages .. it just segfaults |
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| 15:55.12 | aurax | . |
| 15:55.17 | waltz | Yes. |
| 15:55.23 | aurax | anyone knows of some good opensource mrp/crm etc? |
| 15:55.30 | abrotman | waltz: some how your system sounds messed up |
| 15:55.42 | abrotman | aurax: there are many open crm apps .. check freshmeat.net |
| 15:55.48 | waltz | I'm beginning to get that notion as well. |
| 15:56.04 | aurax | yah |
| 15:56.06 | abrotman | waltz: i'd personalyl use the netinst and load debian thatway |
| 15:56.08 | nvz | abrotman: maybe. but given the fact I already have laptop hard drives, cdroms, and an OS I dont really want to pay for all that. I still have a 20gb 2.5" out of my compaq. has debian on it already. so I can stand to buy a laptop with a very small hd, and no OS or cd rom cause I have all that already :P |
| 15:56.10 | bloom | anyone know how to get a Compaq v2310us to enable external vga without rebooting |
| 15:56.12 | waltz | The machine came prepackaged with Windows XP; I'm thinking this is the root of the problem. |
| 15:56.20 | abrotman | nvz: so get a barebones on ebay ? :) |
| 15:56.24 | waltz | I already tried that abrotman. |
| 15:56.28 | bloom | config info at http://www.iit.edu/~kbloom1/Main/Compaq_Presario_v2310us |
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| 15:56.46 | abrotman | bloom: don't you have the funny button ? |
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| 15:57.02 | abrotman | waltz: so you've tried reinstalling the machine ? |
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| 15:57.18 | waltz | 'reinstalling the machine'? |
| 15:57.23 | abrotman | with the netinst |
| 15:57.24 | bloom | abrotman: I have the funny button (Function-F4) but hitting it doesn't do anything in linux |
| 15:57.44 | abrotman | bloom: afaik .. that's a hardware button . and shouldn't be dependent on the OS |
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| 15:57.55 | waltz | I've tried netinst with ftp |
| 15:58.02 | waltz | Is ftp different from http? |
| 15:58.14 | abrotman | yes and no |
| 15:58.26 | waltz | I'm thinking if it segfaults with ftp and cdrom http will be no different |
| 15:58.29 | abrotman | obviously it's a different protocol . but the packages should be the same |
| 15:58.37 | waltz | indeed |
| 15:58.59 | abrotman | nvz: i still vote for the IBM one |
| 15:59.03 | bloom | abrotman: it doesn't register any event in xev, but somehow it doesn't seem to be working |
| 15:59.12 | waltz | so what now? :( |
| 15:59.16 | sqweek | i'm trying to suss out aptitude's package management... why do i get "no candidate versions found" when i do "aptitude install mp3-encoder"? |
| 15:59.30 | GodKilla- | abrotman |
| 15:59.36 | abrotman | waltz: did you run memtest or anyhting ? |
| 15:59.38 | GodKilla- | ftpfs does only work for kernel 2.4 |
| 15:59.39 | abrotman | GodKilla- |
| 15:59.42 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:59.44 | abrotman | uhm |
| 15:59.55 | waltz | no.. |
| 16:00.09 | abrotman | GodKilla-: there is shfs |
| 16:00.16 | GodKilla- | !shfs |
| 16:00.16 | dpkg | shfs is, like, http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
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| 16:00.28 | abrotman | waltz: it seems quite odd the system would just segfault on dpkg .. |
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| 16:01.16 | spr1n | how do I switch between x window and console? |
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| 16:01.24 | waltz | The harddisk could have been exposed to a very low amount of static electricity, but I don't think that should affect anything. |
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| 16:01.27 | sqweek | alt-ctrl-f1 |
| 16:01.30 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f1 .. ctrl-alt-f7 to get back |
| 16:01.42 | abrotman | waltz: probably not |
| 16:02.07 | abrotman | waltz: perhaps the UltimateBootCD has a harddrive diagnostic tool |
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| 16:02.17 | waltz | Is it possible the HP somehow programmed the motherboard/BIOS to only use Windows XP? |
| 16:02.20 | syntaxx | how to enable SCSI emulation in stock kernel? xcdroast says no cd writer or cd rom device detected but linux itself detect my cd rom cd writer =\ |
| 16:02.30 | waltz | that* |
| 16:02.32 | abrotman | waltz: i'm sure it's possible .. not likely |
| 16:02.37 | abrotman | syntaxx: 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
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| 16:02.42 | syntaxx | abrotman, 2.6 |
| 16:02.49 | abrotman | you don't use scsi emulation |
| 16:03.02 | spr1n | ok, but when I login (into x window) , I press ctrl-alt-f1, and i get to console, but pressing ctrl-alt-f7 does not works. any idea? |
| 16:03.08 | GodKilla- | is it possible to use the dpkg bot on another network=? |
| 16:03.21 | abrotman | no .. but you can take his factoids |
| 16:03.24 | nuclearpenguin | for shared libraries, dont we have to add the path to some file? i got this program compiled with no problems but when i try to run it i get a "shared object file cannot be found" error |
| 16:03.29 | syntaxx | abrotman, how to activate it? because xcdroast says no cd writer |
| 16:03.33 | GodKilla- | qwhere are they hosted? |
| 16:03.37 | abrotman | !your factoids |
| 16:03.37 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 16:03.49 | syntaxx | abrotman, do i need to compile a new kernel? |
| 16:04.02 | waltz | I get the "Ouch, ..." error when I try to install packages... |
| 16:04.07 | abrotman | syntaxx: no .. google for "linux 2.6 cdrecord" |
| 16:04.08 | waltz | what is that? |
| 16:04.16 | syntaxx | ok abrotman thanks |
| 16:04.24 | abrotman | waltz: it means dpkg thinks the package is corrupt |
| 16:04.38 | waltz | why would dpkg think that? |
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| 16:04.39 | row2 | syntaxx: use k3b its very nice :) |
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| 16:04.56 | abrotman | waltz: because either they are .. or dpkg is corrupt .. or there is a piece of faulty hardware ? |
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| 16:05.06 | Nick_Hill | spr1n, Have you tried ctrl+alt+F1-12? |
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| 16:05.13 | waltz | The harddisk is a a SATA drive |
| 16:05.14 | nuclearpenguin | for shared libraries, dont we have to add the path to some file? i got this program compiled with no problems but when i try to run it i get a "shared object file cannot be found" error |
| 16:05.22 | waltz | but it recognizes it as SCSI |
| 16:05.38 | abrotman | nvz: actually .. i'd take this one .. S272326U |
| 16:05.43 | wathek | how can I add some one to the op list on freenode ? |
| 16:05.43 | abrotman | waltz: that's correct |
| 16:05.48 | spr1n | Nick_Hill: yes, still nothing |
| 16:05.48 | waltz | wait, there's no diff.. |
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| 16:05.52 | abrotman | wathek: #freenode |
| 16:05.57 | Phroziac | I have over 1100 files in /lost+found. going to get a new hard drive ASAP. And i decided to just put a fresh install of debian on it. Would there happen to be a way to get a list of all packages installed, that apt can parse when i re-load? |
| 16:05.58 | wathek | ok |
| 16:06.08 | abrotman | waltz: there is .. linux shows SATA as /dev/sdX in 2.6 |
| 16:06.12 | Phroziac | this would also help me get rid of some cruft i never use :) |
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| 16:06.22 | dvs | Phated: dpkg --get-selections |
| 16:06.29 | dvs | Oop1 |
| 16:06.35 | Phroziac | dvs: ok. |
| 16:06.35 | dvs | Phroziac: : dpkg --get-selections |
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| 16:06.44 | nvz | with what I've seen so far and the fact that I have a 3headed cluster of desktops already with plenty of processing power, and hd space. I am voting for the very cheapest. which is currently at $189 the only downfall of it being that it doesnt have built in network which would be a plus for when I am at home and want to use it on the network |
| 16:06.46 | abrotman | nvz: or S27233XU |
| 16:06.48 | Phroziac | and can i parse this back in when i install, dvs? |
| 16:06.58 | spr1n | Nick_Hill: its just stucks on the tty1, cant change it, but works fine |
| 16:07.01 | abrotman | nvz: pcmcia card ? |
| 16:07.08 | dvs | Phroziac: dpkg --set-selections (surprise, surprise) |
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| 16:07.21 | Phroziac | dvs: ok. |
| 16:07.23 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I would have to but that extra and it would probably be a PIMA to get working :P |
| 16:07.23 | abrotman | Phroziac: /msg dpkgdebian clone |
| 16:07.28 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:07.31 | abrotman | Phroziac: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 16:07.34 | Phroziac | ok |
| 16:07.55 | abrotman | nvz: the two models i just showed you are like 600$ .. and are P4-M systems |
| 16:07.58 | nvz | abrotman: but even so with the parts I have and the parts I can buy extra I can make these cheaper pcs what I need them to be. |
| 16:08.00 | happychappy | how do I talk over ssh? |
| 16:08.07 | happychappy | ytalk? |
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| 16:08.16 | happychappy | and how do I find the tty the user is on? |
| 16:08.23 | abrotman | who |
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| 16:09.16 | nvz | abrotman: it would take me 3 weeks to get that kind of money probably, and I dont need a pc at all. I just want something to give me something to do at work and automate calculations and generate schedules tell me that I dont have to get off my ass for another 45minutes..etc |
| 16:09.28 | abrotman | nvz: used zaurus! |
| 16:09.46 | abrotman | nvz: load linux on it .. you can use the wifi stuff to ssh etc |
| 16:09.57 | nvz | abrotman: I was going to buy a new zaurus 2 years ago. I am having a hard time FINDING one :P |
| 16:10.11 | abrotman | nvz: a used or new one ? |
| 16:10.18 | happychappy | how do I talk over ssh? |
| 16:10.21 | abrotman | talk |
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| 16:10.41 | nvz | I hate ebay. its a PITA. I have to wait two weeks just to find out what something costs or if its even for sale. and in my experience by time that 2 weeks is up it costs too much and its not for sale |
| 16:11.08 | abrotman | nvz: that's not true .. just bid on an auction that's almost over |
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| 16:11.45 | nvz | abrotman: depends on what they cost thats why I went to sharp's site. and got everything imaginable about the Zaurus except cost or retail info |
| 16:11.51 | abrotman | stew_ has a tail! |
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| 16:12.12 | happychappy | how can I stop root ssh logins? |
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| 16:12.17 | happychappy | so you have to su |
| 16:12.18 | abrotman | nvz: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sharp-Zaurus-SL-5500_W0QQitemZ5817481938QQcategoryZ38331QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:12.26 | abrotman | happychappy: man sshd_config |
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| 16:12.41 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 16:12.50 | nvz | ebay is too much work. when I want to shop I want to shop for currently available and priced products |
| 16:12.59 | abrotman | nvz: you whiner :) |
| 16:13.02 | solemnwarning | why is the zlib1g-dev package deps broken? |
| 16:13.04 | solemnwarning | zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.2-4) but 1:1.2.2-4.sarge.2 is to be installed |
| 16:13.17 | Ronin | heh too much work? sit on your butt with a cold beer is too much work nvz? ;) |
| 16:13.39 | abrotman | solemnwarning: because you're running sid ? |
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| 16:13.54 | solemnwarning | abrotman: im running sarge |
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| 16:14.03 | abrotman | god damn it .. i'm hungry for scampi |
| 16:14.07 | abrotman | solemnwarning: apt-get update .. try again |
| 16:14.09 | apoplex | hi, whats the debian way to build a new kernel ? |
| 16:14.19 | abrotman | !tell apoplex about kp |
| 16:14.22 | tarzeau | apoplex: make-kpkg |
| 16:14.41 | nvz | abrotman: I needed a taillight before for my volvo badly, and I went on ebay and found one quite possibly the only one for sale in the world from what my extensive searching told me.. and I sat there for about 15min bidding on it before it went off, and everytime I would bid, his auto bidder would go higher. by the time it was over $300 I figured he can have the fucking thing. the retail value (not that you can find one) is $185 |
| 16:14.41 | apoplex | tarzeau: i need the whole procedure ;) |
| 16:14.45 | abrotman | nvz: where else has used handhelds ? |
| 16:14.49 | apoplex | perhaps a nice tutorial ? |
| 16:15.00 | tarzeau | apoplex: make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 16:15.02 | solemnwarning | E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. |
| 16:15.05 | solemnwarning | o_O |
| 16:15.07 | abrotman | nvz: that must be a nice taillight |
| 16:15.07 | nvz | abrotman: no clue. |
| 16:15.20 | nvz | abrotman: its a volvo part. they cost a lot of money |
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| 16:15.53 | nvz | abrotman: the plastic crome trim across my front bumper that is like 1/2" thick is over $150 |
| 16:15.57 | solemnwarning | what should i do? |
| 16:16.01 | apoplex | tarzeau: do you know a nice tutorial on web ? |
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| 16:16.13 | abrotman | nvz: i drive a VW .. i know parts can be expensive :) |
| 16:16.14 | TiMiDo | apoplex www.linuxdoc.org |
| 16:16.14 | nvz | abrotman: the parts that can be easily damaged cost more.. go figure |
| 16:16.17 | abrotman | solemnwarning: fix it ? |
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| 16:16.24 | solemnwarning | how? -_- |
| 16:16.36 | solemnwarning | ive mkdir'd it but still getting error |
| 16:16.44 | abrotman | !kp |
| 16:16.44 | dpkg | well, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 16:16.47 | asuffield | volvos have parts that can be easily damaged? those things are built like tanks |
| 16:16.48 | abrotman | apoplex: ^^^ |
| 16:16.49 | asuffield | corner like tanks, too |
| 16:17.20 | apoplex | TiMiDo, abrotman: thanks |
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| 16:17.39 | abrotman | asuffield: they are tanks |
| 16:18.17 | asuffield | big and heavy and almost indestructable, and perform about as well as you'd expect from several tons of steel being forced along the ground by a series of explosions |
| 16:18.21 | nvz | asuffield: the lamps are plastic like any other car and can be damaged. mine was shattered when I was side-swiped by a Dodge Ram 3500 Superduty which caused a small dent in the rear fender and cracked a small portion of the tail light lens |
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| 16:19.45 | nvz | asuffield: I opened the trunk and beat the dent out with one swift blow and I ended up fixing the tailight with a $2 pack of bike reflectors and some epoxy. I cut them to fit and beveld the edge with a dremel to make the corner |
| 16:20.05 | abrotman | nvz: that's so redneck :) |
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| 16:20.50 | nvz | abrotman: what was I suppose to do. you try and buy a tailight for a 1990 Volvo 760GLE they arent for sale. anyone who may have one isnt going to get rid of it thats for sure. either that or its broken already |
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| 16:21.14 | nvz | abrotman: I would have paid $200 or so for one but I couldnt find it. |
| 16:21.23 | thc | abrotman: a real redneck would have used transparent red tape for the taillight |
| 16:21.51 | mwilson | nvz: Don't they have auto recyclers where you live? |
| 16:21.52 | nvz | abrotman: couldnt let it fail inspection for something stupid like the corner of a tail light lens that doesnt even have light shining through being cracked. |
| 16:22.18 | abrotman | nvz: i know .. volvo's suck :) |
| 16:22.19 | nvz | mwilson: yeah, but you don't apperently understand what a rare vehicle is |
| 16:22.25 | spr1n | Can someone explain me why ctrl-alt-f[1-7] doesnt works, but alt-f[1-7] does? |
| 16:22.36 | nvz | abrotman: VW suck. |
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| 16:22.58 | abrotman | nvz: no .. my car is wonderful .. and the parst are still pricey ... just like your volvo |
| 16:23.01 | nvz | abrotman: If I still had my volvo I would run over and flatten your VW like a bug (no pun intended) |
| 16:23.08 | mwilson | nvz: I see all sorts of Volvo in the recyclers around here. Don't own one, so never paid attention to specific models, but... |
| 16:23.15 | abrotman | nvz: i didn't mean the cars suck .. i meant the parts pricing suck |
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| 16:24.17 | nvz | mwilson: well mine was very rare. it was a 1990 Volvo 760GLE with the Volvo B280F Gas 2.8 Fuel ingected engine. |
| 16:24.19 | freeung | hola |
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| 16:24.32 | thc | !es |
| 16:24.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:24.51 | thc | volvos will literally run forever if you keep them maintained |
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| 16:25.11 | nvz | the engine was one-of-a-kind as far as volvo engines go, and other things like the data being lost in an early 90's system crash made it all the more rare. |
| 16:25.44 | nvz | you can find 87-89 740s all over the place |
| 16:26.01 | Sotar | Hello there, I have a little problem wich generally concerns configuring my soundcard and I wonder if I could be helped here... |
| 16:26.07 | nvz | theres not really a single part on them the same. |
| 16:26.09 | thc | Sotar: so ask |
| 16:26.16 | bloom | I just ran across m3mirror that sounds like it's supposed to solve my problem. what does it do, and what architectures does it run on? |
| 16:26.45 | nvz | a friend of mine, wants to give me her 87 (i think) 740 wagon. |
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| 16:27.39 | Sotar | thc: ESS (ES1869F-Chipset) ; ALSA doesnt detect it ; soundconfig I cannot install cause it is in conflict with some stuff on which depends Gnome |
| 16:27.43 | abrotman | xoz: try .. harder |
| 16:27.48 | Sotar | soory |
| 16:27.52 | Sotar | *sorry\ |
| 16:27.53 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:27.53 | dpkg | i heard alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 16:27.57 | nvz | she says its time for her to get a new car, and she told me that she wouldnt trust anyone else with her baby. *shrugs* volvo owners are weird about their cars. I would know I used to be one |
| 16:28.45 | abrotman | pooped .. tired ... |
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| 16:29.08 | Sotar | tried it, alsa doesn't detect it |
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| 16:29.37 | Sotar | downloaded alsa-modules as well |
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| 16:29.45 | xoz | Sotar: lspci ... and tell us your audio controller |
| 16:29.46 | nvz | the 740 would be much easier to care for its a simpler engine and easier to find parts for. and since its older than mine, doesnt have all the fancy extras like the electric seats, electric roof..etc its all manual on this one |
| 16:29.48 | thc | Sotar: is that an on-board or extremely new pci card? |
| 16:30.03 | Sotar | it's quite old |
| 16:30.09 | thc | thc: ok, checking |
| 16:30.12 | thc | err |
| 16:30.15 | thc | Sotar^^ |
| 16:30.31 | xoz | Sotar: lspci | grep audio |
| 16:30.51 | thc | Sotar: did that card work with OSS before you installed alsa? |
| 16:31.03 | Sotar | no output |
| 16:31.09 | Sotar | no |
| 16:31.15 | Sotar | it never worked on debian |
| 16:31.19 | mwilson | <snicker> Why do people use ALSA again? |
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| 16:31.28 | abrotman | Sotar: uname -a |
| 16:31.30 | dvs | mwilson: Because it's easier. ;-) |
| 16:31.37 | abrotman | mwilson: it's not easier .. but OSS sucks |
| 16:31.37 | thc | mwilson: no idea, i still use OSS if at all possible |
| 16:31.43 | abrotman | and well .. ALSA sucks too |
| 16:31.46 | mwilson | dvs: In what fantasyland? |
| 16:31.58 | nvz | ALSA is by no means easier. |
| 16:32.00 | abrotman | but alsa sucks with usually more capabilities |
| 16:32.03 | dvs | mwilson: income tax land where everything is easy. ;-) |
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| 16:32.07 | Sotar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.12 | blal | Give me the straght dope: do users of ext3 filesystems ever need to routinely run fsck on boot? If so, how frequently is the "best practice"? |
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| 16:32.19 | abrotman | Sotar: use a 2.6 .. alsa seems easier in 2.6 |
| 16:32.27 | thc | Sotar: you installed the alsa-modules for your specific 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:32.29 | dvs | blal: I don't |
| 16:32.31 | abrotman | blal: mine deafults to 30 boots |
| 16:32.42 | meff | blal: by defaults its like every 22 days.. but you can use tunefs to fix that |
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| 16:33.19 | meff | you dont have to, but its a good idea, blal |
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| 16:33.21 | blal | moff : That's the plan. The question is how often to fsck. |
| 16:33.31 | Sotar | thc: I installed them with that : " apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) " abrotman: maybe but 2.6 doesn't want to detect my mouse which anoys me... |
| 16:33.34 | abrotman | blal: how much do you like your data ? |
| 16:33.36 | blal | er, meff |
| 16:33.39 | meff | hehe |
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| 16:33.42 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 16:33.43 | dpkg | methinks 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules and choose mouse device /dev/input/mice and mouse type ExplorerPS/2. See http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 16:33.46 | meff | blal: i'd stick to the defaults.. |
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| 16:34.25 | mwilson | blal: What leads you to believe you need to change the default? |
| 16:34.30 | solemnwarning | E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. |
| 16:34.34 | solemnwarning | how do i fix that? |
| 16:34.40 | solemnwarning | mkdiring it dont fix :( |
| 16:34.41 | meff | mwilson: probably cause it takes a long time.. |
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| 16:34.50 | meff | mwilson: i fall asleep while its fscking my 320gb :P |
| 16:34.59 | blal | mwilson : I recall something or other about journaling side-stepping or eliminating the need to fsck on boot. |
| 16:34.59 | mwilson | solemnwarning: Other than by (a) recreating it, (b) ceasing to delete what you don't understand? |
| 16:35.02 | thc | solemnwarning: don't ever remove anything from there manually, you should be using apt-get clean |
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| 16:35.10 | mwilson | blal: It does neither. |
| 16:35.14 | solemnwarning | there was an apt-get clean? |
| 16:35.16 | solemnwarning | dammit |
| 16:35.22 | thc | solemnwarning: man apt-get |
| 16:35.24 | blal | mwilson : Ok. That answers that question. |
| 16:35.29 | Caelum | apt-get autoclean is better |
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| 16:35.38 | nuclearpenguin | would it be possible to setup xmms to maintain the directory tree of my mp3 collection? i have my collection organized into folders and wanna use that hierarchy in xmms... |
| 16:35.38 | mwilson | solemnwarning: You have to recreate the ENTIRE directory structure. |
| 16:35.40 | abrotman | blal: no .. that's Hans Reiser's stupid idea .. he's on the same level as DBJ .. severe mental deficiency |
| 16:35.44 | Sotar | well, I'll fiddle with the 2.6 then and hopefully never come back with my problem, thanks a lot |
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| 16:35.46 | thc | either way, he shouldn't be in there removing anything |
| 16:35.46 | solemnwarning | mwilson: how? |
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| 16:35.57 | abrotman | solemnwarning: ffs .. it's not a directory . it's a file |
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| 16:36.03 | solemnwarning | there is a command to do it automaticly, right? |
| 16:36.07 | mwilson | solemnwarning: What do you mean "how"? You don't know how to create a directory? |
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| 16:36.09 | thc | solemnwarning: man apt-get |
| 16:36.11 | solemnwarning | mkdir |
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| 16:36.15 | thc | oh that |
| 16:36.19 | abrotman | err . ignor eme |
| 16:36.22 | abrotman | !hit me |
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| 16:36.27 | blal | Many thanks, all. |
| 16:36.42 | nuclearpenguin | you guys got an ideas? |
| 16:36.48 | solemnwarning | i created the dir but im still getting the error |
| 16:36.57 | abrotman | yeah .. why would i say that! |
| 16:37.10 | abrotman | thc: i blame the leftover beer in my head |
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| 16:37.16 | thc | hehe |
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| 16:37.45 | abrotman | dvs: it's there .. trust me :) |
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| 16:39.11 | syntaxx | can i use k3b even im on flux? because the requirements need kde |
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| 16:39.37 | meff | syntaxx: yes |
| 16:39.52 | abrotman | syntaxx: there are others |
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| 16:39.55 | abrotman | like eroaster ... |
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| 16:40.04 | meff | guh |
| 16:40.11 | spr1n | how would i choose console onboot login instead of x windows login? |
| 16:40.15 | meff | k3b is best hands down.. hell i use it on xfce |
| 16:40.28 | thc | spr1n: update-rc.d |
| 16:40.30 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 16:40.30 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 16:40.42 | spr1n | thnx |
| 16:40.43 | abrotman | meff: but not everyone wants all the kde crap to get it working |
| 16:40.46 | syntaxx | ok thanks i just want the easy to use burner |
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| 16:41.04 | abrotman | meff: and you should try eroaster .. or gnomebaker or .. uhm .. there's another one for kde |
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| 16:41.27 | meff | abrotman: hmm? its just kdelibs and junk.. then run kcontrol and setup your viewing, then run k3b whenever.. |
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| 16:41.45 | abrotman | meff: that's more kde crap than i want on my system |
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| 16:42.16 | abrotman | meff: have you tried arson by chance ? |
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| 16:43.02 | witless | my usb.agent hotplug script isn't executing, so i can't get permission to my camera. does anyone know what initiates this call? or in general how to debug this problem? |
| 16:43.09 | meff | i've tried a bunch, abrotman .. k3b is 'teh best' imho :P |
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| 16:43.52 | abrotman | meff: i disagree! |
| 16:43.52 | meff | abrotman: and how are a few kde libs gonna hurt your box? :) |
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| 16:44.10 | abrotman | meff: crap i don't want .. gnomebaker/eroaster are more than adequate .. you should try them :) |
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| 16:44.56 | nvz | I had a look at gnome baker a while back. its alright. but its not really k3b |
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| 16:45.13 | nvz | one thing I notice was a sever lack of configurability |
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| 16:45.33 | abrotman | nvz: how long ago? .. it's changed a lot |
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| 16:45.40 | nvz | abrotman: about a week or so |
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| 16:46.04 | abrotman | dunno . it burns ISOs .. burns music CDs .. burns data .. how much can you need ? |
| 16:46.07 | Dakishi | how can i update my debian sarge, to sid?? |
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| 16:46.21 | dvs | Dakishi: If you have to ask, don't do it |
| 16:46.22 | nvz | for example. the bottom where both gnomebaker and k3b show the usage. gnomebaker has a few presets, 20,74,80 or something IIRC and they are preset with no custom setting |
| 16:46.29 | mwilson | nvz: How can not being k3b be anything but good? |
| 16:46.32 | nvz | I have cds that are 24min.. so wtf |
| 16:46.35 | Dakishi | oh okey i understand sorry |
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| 16:46.58 | mwilson | gcdw, even. |
| 16:47.00 | abrotman | nvz: custom for what? .. those are CDR sizes |
| 16:47.13 | nvz | mwilson: well as far as infrastructure thats good, but lacking features isnt. especially when you cant do things that would be easily done with cdrecord directly |
| 16:47.26 | syntaxx | meff, do i need to run k3b as root for the 1st time? |
| 16:47.31 | meff | syntaxx: no |
| 16:47.33 | nvz | abrotman: yeah and there are other sized cdrs my cdr size isnt supported |
| 16:47.37 | syntaxx | ok |
| 16:47.38 | mwilson | nvz: Huh? |
| 16:47.43 | abrotman | nvz: which is ? |
| 16:47.55 | nvz | abrotman: as I said, I have 24min cdrs |
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| 16:48.06 | mrpickles444 | I forgot my root password |
| 16:48.10 | meff | lol |
| 16:48.11 | abrotman | !frp |
| 16:48.14 | abrotman | !ifrp |
| 16:48.14 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 16:48.17 | nvz | abrotman: I cant accuratly keep track of them because it lacks the ability to add custom settings |
| 16:48.25 | abrotman | custom settings? |
| 16:48.29 | mrpickles444 | what ? |
| 16:48.31 | mwilson | nvz: Did I miss something? K3b, after all, is crap. |
| 16:48.36 | thc | haha |
| 16:48.38 | abrotman | !tell mrpickles444 about ifrp |
| 16:48.39 | thc | 'what ?' |
| 16:48.51 | mwilson | nvz: It's a KDE application... hard for it to be anything else. |
| 16:48.57 | mrpickles444 | yes, someone please t ell me about ifrp >.> |
| 16:49.02 | abrotman | !tell mrpickles444 about ifrp |
| 16:49.22 | dvs | mrpickles444: Yes, dpkg told you about it |
| 16:49.43 | nvz | mwilson: yes, as I said its infrastructure (KDE) is crap. but as a frontend to cdrecord it manages to more than take advantage of is features and then some |
| 16:49.56 | abrotman | nvz: and you don't like eroaster either? |
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| 16:50.03 | nvz | abrotman: never seen it |
| 16:50.10 | abrotman | i just can't bring myself to isntall that much of kde to have a burner |
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| 16:50.17 | nvz | abrotman: at least not in recent years |
| 16:50.36 | mwilson | nvz: You might like cdw, then... it has radio buttons for standard discs, and then a "type it in the box" selection. :) |
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| 16:50.52 | nvz | mwilson: yeah most apps do, like gcombust |
| 16:51.12 | mwilson | Now if you want to talk about crap, gcombust certainly qualifies. |
| 16:51.27 | dvs | mwilson: and xcdroast? |
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| 16:51.30 | nvz | mwilson: gnomebaker isnt configurable at all really. you can chage the burner device, and audio or data disc and you can configure what files to add.. thats about it |
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| 16:51.53 | abrotman | nvz: you could you know .. file a bug :) |
| 16:52.09 | nvz | abrotman: I dont have an email address |
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| 16:52.20 | mwilson | nvz: Yes... after all, you remember that WauWau and company know far better than you how you should be using your computer. Since they don't think you need to do that, well... obviously you don't. |
| 16:52.21 | nvz | abrotman: file a bug against me |
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| 16:52.43 | technos | [B[ |
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| 16:52.56 | nvz | technos: GNAA initation? |
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| 16:53.27 | nvz | weak attempt at a disruption of service there :P |
| 16:53.41 | mwilson | KDE is still trying to throw off all the damage Mosfet did to it. |
| 16:53.43 | meff | <3 xfce |
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| 16:54.29 | cahoot | nvz: now that's at least the 4:th ti you refer to gnaa - why |
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| 16:54.30 | abrotman | mwilson: the whole thing is damaged :) |
| 16:54.31 | nvz | if I were to use KDE, I would definatly not use the kde-style appearance |
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| 16:55.01 | meff | !pal KDE |
| 16:55.20 | nvz | cahoot: it ammuses me that there are such misfits out there that they would form such an orginization. I had thought it was a joke.. recently found out these idiots are serious |
| 16:55.25 | Caelum | the CrystalSphere theme is available for gnome and kde, and if you choose the fonts right gnome and kde apps almost look like you can use them side by side |
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| 16:55.53 | mwilson | KDE doesn't hold usability studies, because then they'd find out what the users really think. Gnome holds usability studies so that they can find out what the users think, and then ignore them better. |
| 16:55.57 | nvz | cahoot: what ammuses me more is that these are the kinds of people who post/read slashdot and other trolltard news sites |
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| 16:56.12 | alexnuevoenlinux | hello |
| 16:56.29 | mwilson | Gnome |
| 16:56.44 | nvz | I wish /. would stop acting like a geek news source and admit that its troll news "News for trolls, stuff that real geeks couldn't care less about" would be more accurate |
| 16:57.00 | mwilson | Gnome's answer is always "well,you're not our target audience." Of course, apparently Gnome doesn't *have* a target audience. |
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| 16:57.22 | ProN00b | whats gnaa ? |
| 16:57.24 | mwilson | Since the stupid are already using KDE. |
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| 16:57.34 | abrotman | !gnaa |
| 16:57.38 | abrotman | ProN00b: use google |
| 16:57.39 | ProN00b | !gnaa |
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| 16:57.53 | dvs | They strike again!!! ;-) |
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| 16:58.01 | nvz | ProN00b: http://www.gnaa.us/ |
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| 16:59.47 | kl | slt |
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| 16:59.51 | ProN00b | omg |
| 17:00.44 | nvz | ProN00b: yeah read http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-sarge they are highly organized troll-tards |
| 17:00.51 | technos | [ |
| 17:01.05 | nvz | technos: get the cat off the keyboard or get off IRC |
| 17:01.13 | nvz | good choice |
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| 17:01.27 | sumi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_nigger_association_of_america - another good article |
| 17:01.31 | lhz | how do I fake install a package ? |
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| 17:01.43 | nvz | lhz: fake install? |
| 17:01.54 | meff | hahaha |
| 17:01.58 | nvz | lhz: what would this be, and what would be the purpose? |
| 17:02.00 | meff | whatever you do dont click on 'members' :x |
| 17:02.17 | lhz | nvz: i have installed xorg from source, and want to use debians qt4 |
| 17:02.26 | nvz | meff: doesnt do anything but tell me its got unsupported media |
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| 17:02.40 | Caelum | lhz: equivs |
| 17:02.42 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 17:02.43 | dpkg | equivs is probably a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 17:02.52 | nvz | lhz: why would you install xorg from source? |
| 17:03.06 | nvz | lhz: put the crackpipe down before you answer this one. |
| 17:03.24 | meff | nvz: it uses javascript to shake the window and says "hey everybody im looking at gay porno!!" .. sometimes i wish i had disabled mplayerplug-in :P |
| 17:03.43 | nvz | meff: heh |
| 17:04.01 | meff | my wife looked at me and said 'wtf' hahah |
| 17:04.25 | nvz | in other troll news, goatse seems to be down now. sad day for troll tards when that happened I am sure. their account was suspended |
| 17:04.38 | nvz | I found oralse.cx to be pretty funny though |
| 17:04.39 | Caelum | old news, there are lots of mirrors |
| 17:05.27 | Dakishi | how can i reconfigure locale already tried, dpkg-reconfigure locale but get this error message, perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 17:05.37 | meff | nvz: had to pop a term and do a killall firefox-bin :P |
| 17:05.41 | meff | nvz: whats at there? |
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| 17:05.50 | nvz | meff: its clean, have a look :P |
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| 17:06.17 | meff | heheh nice |
| 17:06.19 | cahoot | meff: straying a bit OT? |
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| 17:06.29 | nvz | meff: the wiener and the pussy :P |
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| 17:07.20 | cheal | Dakishi: you tried #dpkg-reconfigure locales; right? locale isn't the name |
| 17:07.37 | ProN00b | omg, gnaa is the internet satan |
| 17:07.47 | nvz | ProN00b: yep. |
| 17:07.49 | abrotman | no .. that would be bill gates |
| 17:07.52 | nvz | heh |
| 17:07.54 | abrotman | they're the damn imps |
| 17:08.00 | nvz | yeah |
| 17:08.01 | ProN00b | bill gates isn't on the internet |
| 17:08.11 | abrotman | wanna bet |
| 17:08.21 | nvz | bgates@microsof.com |
| 17:08.23 | ProN00b | his security personel says his os isn't ready for that yet |
| 17:08.24 | abrotman | bill-gates.com |
| 17:08.42 | GodKilla- | how i run X apps with root? |
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| 17:09.01 | abrotman | !sux |
| 17:09.01 | dpkg | it has been said that sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 17:09.19 | nvz | abrotman: that site seems to be selling pr0n domains |
| 17:09.29 | abrotman | nvz: it was a joke |
| 17:09.35 | Caelum | nvz: http://tinyurl.com/3j3fj |
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| 17:10.04 | cahoot | abrotman: humor in #debian - you must be joking |
| 17:10.15 | abrotman | cahoot: it was accidental! |
| 17:10.17 | nvz | Caelum: heh. |
| 17:10.19 | Caelum | GodKilla-: you can also cp -a ~youruser/.Xauthority /root |
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| 17:10.38 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 17:10.38 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a gentoo user |
| 17:10.44 | hypersniper | has anyone seen mentor in here recently? |
| 17:10.46 | Caelum | heh |
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| 17:10.54 | abrotman | !seen mentor |
| 17:10.54 | dpkg | mentor <n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 3h 18m 40s ago, saying: 'Interesting God Complex there...'. |
| 17:10.55 | nvz | dpkg, seen mentor |
| 17:10.57 | Dakishi | cheal, and whats the name then?? |
| 17:11.05 | hypersniper | aha :) cheers |
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| 17:11.17 | cheal | Dakishi: locales |
| 17:11.21 | nvz | he hasnt been at his terminal since services went down apperently |
| 17:11.31 | Dakishi | cheal, dang forgot the s hahahahha thank you a lot |
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| 17:11.49 | hypersniper | ok thanks, i'll phone him and whine then |
| 17:12.20 | abrotman | phone him ? |
| 17:12.27 | hypersniper | yerrrs |
| 17:12.29 | starscalling | does anyone know what ports i need to port for xchat fileserving? |
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| 17:13.07 | GodKilla- | <Caelum> GodKilla-: you can also cp -a ~youruser/.Xauthority /root <-- tahts what sux does, no? |
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| 17:13.25 | nvz | Caelum: this animation is funny http://www.oralse.cx/contrib/peanutbutterandkitty.gif |
| 17:14.15 | Caelum | heh |
| 17:14.23 | abrotman | nvz: it doesn't do anything |
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| 17:14.34 | nvz | abrotman: must be your browser then. |
| 17:14.44 | nvz | abrotman: shows the kitten chewing here |
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| 17:15.00 | nvz | its cute |
| 17:15.14 | billy | (unstable) having a problem using 'su' after upgrading. i'm getting the following error: configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator). any pointers? thanks |
| 17:15.19 | abrotman | nvz: yes .. i see that |
| 17:15.28 | siegie | is there a rescue function in the network install cd for sarge |
| 17:15.29 | nvz | makes me want to buy a bunch of kittens instead of a pc |
| 17:15.41 | abrotman | nvz: spcaz ? |
| 17:15.46 | nvz | of course you can get those for free |
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| 17:15.47 | abrotman | spca |
| 17:15.53 | asuffield | nvz: stab yourself in the face until the desire goes away |
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| 17:16.08 | nvz | asuffield: :( you dont like kittens? |
| 17:16.33 | nvz | asuffield: what about the SPCA? |
| 17:16.39 | nvz | abrotman: even |
| 17:16.45 | asuffield | as a replacement for hardware? no |
| 17:16.47 | asuffield | you're sick |
| 17:17.01 | nvz | asuffield: no as something to play with |
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| 17:17.28 | siegie | is there a rescue function in the network install cd for sarge |
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| 17:17.44 | hypersniper | Skin Poor Cats Alive? that's horrible! |
| 17:18.17 | nvz | hypersniper: Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals |
| 17:18.19 | xixor | its the only way to make cat-skin coats |
| 17:19.23 | hypersniper | don't forget the cat-skin briefs |
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| 17:19.36 | abrotman | nvz: cats ? |
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| 17:19.56 | nvz | abrotman: ? |
| 17:20.05 | Caelum | I knew I was right in smoking weed, and all the idiots I talked to told me it kills brain cells: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/16/0229239&tid=99&tid=14 |
| 17:20.19 | abrotman | nvz: kittens ? |
| 17:20.30 | abrotman | Caelum: that's not what that says |
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| 17:20.42 | nvz | got one here thats not exactly mild-mannered |
| 17:20.51 | nvz | gets downright evil sometimes |
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| 17:21.43 | Caelum | abrotman: I know, just that people kept telling me that pot kills brain cells, and now they look like utter morons :) |
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| 17:22.05 | abrotman | it does |
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| 17:22.20 | Caelum | abrotman: no it doesn't |
| 17:22.22 | abrotman | you've found one study |
| 17:22.27 | nvz | Caelum: slashdot isnt hardly an authority on anything but trolling |
| 17:22.28 | abrotman | compared the THOUSANDS that say it does |
| 17:22.43 | hypersniper | studies used a substance 100 times more potent than THC |
| 17:22.43 | Caelum | abrotman: there are no studies that say that pot kills brain cells, at all |
| 17:23.01 | hypersniper | and it was a study on rats, are you a rat caelum? |
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| 17:23.26 | Caelum | rats have 95% homologous DNA, most studies are on mice or rats |
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| 17:23.46 | abrotman | Caelum: google will prove you wrong |
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| 17:23.58 | nvz | how do you get a rat to smoke, and how do they survive smoking something 100 more powerful |
| 17:24.03 | Xi-Phazor | Im sorry to all you pot trolls, but all my friends who do pot every day are frikkin stupid. |
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| 17:24.47 | zinx | Xi-Phazor: yeah, but according to studies if they stop they'll be just as smart as the were before |
| 17:24.51 | cahoot | Caelum: so if ubuntu is 95% homologous to debian it folows they're the same? |
| 17:24.53 | Xi-Phazor | and they were smarter, on tests and in real life modes, in highschool |
| 17:24.57 | Xi-Phazor | its all about moderation |
| 17:24.58 | hypersniper | smoking weed and being stupid are mutually exclusive |
| 17:24.58 | Caelum | abrotman: umm, yes, inhaling smoke kills a few brain cells, duh. But you can vaporize pot, eat it, etc. And the carcinogen content in pot smoke is very small. Also, dea.gov has no scientifically useful information :P |
| 17:24.59 | zinx | Xi: for whatever the heck that's worth |
| 17:25.16 | abrotman | google |
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| 17:25.17 | Caelum | zinx: correct |
| 17:25.19 | cheal | zinx: except they'll have to catch up in culture |
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| 17:25.31 | nimak | shit, those are some really high rats |
| 17:25.32 | Caelum | abrotman: try medline |
| 17:25.48 | hypersniper | Rawplayer: i wanna work out how to synth some of that stuff |
| 17:25.59 | abrotman | Caelum: try .. i don't give a shit .. kill your fucking head if you want to |
| 17:26.03 | hypersniper | errr everyone: |
| 17:26.12 | nvz | hypersniper: http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ The Second Basic Law of human stupidiy states "The probability that a certain person be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person." |
| 17:26.22 | Caelum | abrotman: you don't know what you're talking about, see, you can't just make shit up because it feels better for you |
| 17:26.48 | Xi-Phazor | lol I would not go that far |
| 17:26.49 | abrotman | Caelum: really .. i don't care .. kill yourself for all i care |
| 17:26.56 | abrotman | if you're too lazy to google .. don't cry to me |
| 17:26.58 | sumi | abrotman, you watch too many anti-drug commercials |
| 17:26.58 | Xi-Phazor | abrotman has a damn good point |
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| 17:27.04 | Caelum | all the results on google say "pot does not kill brain cells" |
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| 17:27.10 | alexnuevoenlinux | can you helpme, i used unstable |
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| 17:27.24 | abrotman | Caelum: your google-fu sucks |
| 17:27.28 | Xi-Phazor | Scientists proved that smoking pot can stunt the development of the mind, mess up your memory, etc |
| 17:27.30 | Caelum | abrotman: also, no one has ever died from smoking pot |
| 17:27.35 | Xi-Phazor | I would call that dammage |
| 17:27.36 | abrotman | wanna bet |
| 17:27.55 | sumi | Xi-Phazor, that definetly explains why my friend smokes pot and is very intelligent |
| 17:28.10 | Caelum | Xi-Phazor: for teens it does, a bit. But that's generally completely reversible |
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| 17:28.48 | Xi-Phazor | ages 1 to 22 minds are still developing, some stop at 19 or 21, but its all close to the same time |
| 17:28.51 | abrotman | smoking anything contains carcinogens to some degree |
| 17:28.53 | Caelum | Xi-Phazor: it causes some demyelination in purkinje cells in the hippocampus |
| 17:28.58 | nakeee | how do I install openffice on debian?is there some doc? |
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| 17:29.09 | r3gii | do i have to install ident to connect to another servers? |
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| 17:29.30 | Caelum | nakeee: apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 17:29.32 | Xi-Phazor | nakeee, apt-get is your friend |
| 17:29.36 | cheal | nakeee: you install the package, localization packages if you want, and help packages if you want |
| 17:29.44 | hypersniper | is openoffice in non-free? |
| 17:29.51 | nvz | no |
| 17:29.52 | mwilson | No. |
| 17:29.52 | jdhutchin1 | hypersniper, no |
| 17:30.00 | nvz | haha, too slow :P |
| 17:30.00 | mwilson | Is there some reason it should be? |
| 17:30.05 | hypersniper | lol |
| 17:30.11 | Caelum | r3gii: apt-get install pidentd, and set up a port forward or trigger on your firewall |
| 17:30.26 | hypersniper | just wondering. so it's GPL'd open-source? |
| 17:30.32 | cheal | no, it's LGPL |
| 17:30.36 | r3gii | Caelum thx roger that |
| 17:30.44 | mwilson | Why would it have to be GPL? |
| 17:30.56 | hypersniper | thought stallman was anal about these things :p |
| 17:31.05 | mwilson | What does Stallman have to do with it? |
| 17:31.13 | Xi-Phazor | Sun microsystems attempted to promote open source and thats where open solaris and openoffice came from |
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| 17:31.16 | cheal | !openofice |
| 17:31.19 | cheal | !openoffice |
| 17:31.19 | dpkg | somebody said openoffice.org was an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. OpenOffice.org 2 beta is packaged in experimental as openoffice.org2. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org |
| 17:31.20 | Rawplayer | hypersniper: what? |
| 17:31.23 | hypersniper | well... not much i guess |
| 17:31.39 | abrotman | cheal: !openorifice ? |
| 17:31.39 | hypersniper | Rawplayer: sorry missclick |
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| 17:32.14 | cheal | abrotman: are you saying you don't like openoffice? |
| 17:32.17 | nakeee | Caelum, sorry I ment openoffice 2... |
| 17:32.23 | nixuser | hey brotman hows it going |
| 17:32.26 | mwilson | hypersniper: So, what point are you leading up to? |
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| 17:32.36 | abrotman | no |
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| 17:33.15 | alexnuevoenlinux | how do you do install unstable |
| 17:33.17 | hypersniper | mwilson: I was just being inquisitive, no point |
| 17:33.23 | mwilson | alexnuevoenlinux: You don't. |
| 17:33.25 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 17:33.25 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 17:33.27 | nixuser | installed debian amd64 the other night |
| 17:33.44 | TwistedPBook | alexnuevoenlinux: it's not a good idea unless you know what your doing.. |
| 17:33.47 | alexnuevoenlinux | thanks |
| 17:33.49 | nixuser | blackdown doesnt work to well in yahoo on it |
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| 17:34.45 | TwistedPBook | alexnuevoenlinux: if you really want to know you can... but it's just not smart.. change yr sources to unstable.. apt-get update... apt-get dist-upgrade or whatever..ou |
| 17:34.48 | Lee__ | I started X as root and now if I start it as a regular user it hangs, saying "xauth: timeout in locking authority file /root/.Xauthority" |
| 17:35.04 | Amorphous | hi. after the first reboot while installing sarge from an businesscard image in vmware a friend gets the following error: http://www.zerebecki.de/error.png ("konfiguriere das grundsystem" is "configuring the basesystem" in english) |
| 17:35.07 | Lee__ | shouldn't it be looking in the user's home dir, not root's? |
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| 17:35.14 | TwistedPBook | alexnuevoenlinux: what are you running now? |
| 17:35.14 | Amorphous | anyone has an idea what went wrong? |
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| 17:36.13 | EdLin | !anyone |
| 17:36.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:36.34 | TwistedPBook | Amorphous: sounds like a vmware problem... |
| 17:36.40 | EdLin | phoey, wrong factoid |
| 17:36.49 | Lee__ | Amorphous: have you contacted vmware tech support? |
| 17:36.51 | nixuser | use the full netinstall iso |
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| 17:37.35 | TwistedPBook | Amorphous: try full install iso if that doesnt work call vmware.. those useless basterds. |
| 17:37.39 | alexnuevoenlinux | knoppix |
| 17:37.41 | Amorphous | TwistedPBook: are you sure? last time someone installed debian sarge in an vmware it worked like anywhere else. |
| 17:37.50 | Lee__ | nm, I figured out my stupid X problem... |
| 17:37.50 | EdLin | !knoppix |
| 17:37.50 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 17:37.58 | nixuser | amorphous better yet, just install it on a dedicated linux box |
| 17:38.00 | xixor | !java |
| 17:38.00 | dpkg | i guess java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 17:38.03 | xixor | !java plugin |
| 17:38.10 | nixuser | vmware yuck |
| 17:38.10 | xixor | !install java |
| 17:38.10 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 17:38.15 | xixor | !java licensing |
| 17:38.15 | dpkg | read the faq at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns |
| 17:38.29 | Amorphous | nixuser: do you have an indication that it is an vmware problem? |
| 17:38.41 | Lee__ | vmware is fun in windows only shops. Get them to buy it for you, install Debian and run Windows inside vmware :) |
| 17:38.42 | mwilson | Do you have an indication that it's NOT? |
| 17:38.49 | nixuser | nope, only guessing, vmware is always buggy tho |
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| 17:38.52 | EdLin | xixor: /msg dpkg if the help is intended only for you |
| 17:38.54 | TwistedPBook | Amorphous: not sure at all.. just that you really cant be sure since no one knows whether its a debian or vmware problem... should work fine... but you dont know. |
| 17:39.07 | xixor | EdLin, : ah, ok |
| 17:39.16 | xixor | EdLin: I thought private messages were disabled on this server? |
| 17:39.23 | TwistedPBook | ? |
| 17:39.25 | TwistedPBook | no |
| 17:39.27 | Lee__ | vmware has some closed source kernel modules. you should always contact their tech support before contacting the distro's. |
| 17:39.30 | EdLin | xixor: not if your nick is registered |
| 17:39.30 | nixuser | price of used pc's these days, cheaper to run a dedicated linux machine than vmware |
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| 17:39.57 | sandman | nixuser: I wouldn't say that. |
| 17:40.04 | TwistedPBook | I would.. |
| 17:40.05 | Amorphous | Lee__: the tainting modules are optional. and not yet installed there. |
| 17:40.12 | sandman | nixuser: An extra PC requires power, which means electric bills. |
| 17:40.16 | TwistedPBook | all you need is like a P2 400.. |
| 17:40.18 | sandman | But that's just my opinion. |
| 17:40.19 | nixuser | lol, old p3 dells work great for nix |
| 17:40.27 | EdLin | !lol |
| 17:40.28 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:40.28 | Lee__ | Amorphous: that's good. they didn't used to be optional. |
| 17:40.41 | sandman | I prefer lol. |
| 17:40.48 | nixuser | lol |
| 17:40.55 | EdLin | lots of people prefer AOL too |
| 17:41.09 | nixuser | at least we dont sound like nerdy boys locked in the basement |
| 17:41.14 | TwistedPBook | jesus... it's fucking sunday.. |
| 17:41.21 | EdLin | !sing sunday |
| 17:41.21 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 17:41.36 | Lee__ | Loser On Line |
| 17:41.58 | Lee__ | brb |
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| 17:42.15 | nixuser | prefers 4.5 mb down and 768 k up |
| 17:42.35 | TwistedPBook | ? |
| 17:42.42 | TwistedPBook | ohhh.. aol... |
| 17:42.44 | TwistedPBook | yeah |
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| 17:43.18 | nixuser | updating alt.binaries.warez.linux |
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| 17:44.55 | xtz | does anyone knows a program under sarge to test network interfaces ? |
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| 17:45.18 | Lee__ | ifconfig |
| 17:45.19 | nixuser | xtz: as in bandwidth? |
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| 17:46.20 | graffit | Does anyone knows how to make maildrop work with mysql in the courier package ? I read that I'd have to recompile but the debian/rules confuses me. |
| 17:46.30 | xtz | nixuser: the problem is, i installed a new sarge on a server... as an firewall with iptables... the same scripts as on the old one... and outbound connexions (from lan to internet) are VERY slow... and i really dont know where the problem is... the iptables scripts are all right... |
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| 17:46.58 | nixuser | using a router? |
| 17:47.23 | xtz | router ? between the server and internet you mean ? |
| 17:47.28 | nixuser | yes |
| 17:47.34 | xtz | yes |
| 17:47.50 | nixuser | is it a linksys, or something you built yourself |
| 17:48.00 | xtz | i have an second server (the old one) connected directly on the router too... this one doesnt have any problem |
| 17:48.23 | nixuser | could be something simple as the network card or cable |
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| 17:48.50 | xtz | its an old one... Zoom X5 (5554) |
| 17:49.01 | nixuser | hmmm |
| 17:49.03 | xtz | cable ? |
| 17:49.06 | nixuser | never heard of it |
| 17:49.11 | kl | i want to format linux , because i want to install XP. How to set it |
| 17:49.12 | nixuser | between server and router |
| 17:49.15 | xtz | (its a big mess..) |
| 17:49.27 | nixuser | xp will format your hard drive for you |
| 17:49.42 | kl | no |
| 17:49.42 | nixuser | usually |
| 17:49.46 | xtz | nixuser: i will try to change it.. brb |
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| 17:50.16 | Elly | man, GAIM is teh suq |
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| 17:50.26 | Elly | it pops up 'untitled window's when I get disconnected |
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| 17:50.38 | nixuser | if your having problems installing xp over a linux install, try zeroing the boot sector first |
| 17:50.40 | jdhutchin1 | report it as a bug then, ElectricElf |
| 17:50.42 | jdhutchin1 | *elly |
| 17:50.56 | Caelum | or better yet, run xp in vmware in linux |
| 17:50.57 | TwistedPBook | kl: just put in windows install cd and follow promtps... |
| 17:51.04 | TwistedPBook | kl: boot from the cd.. |
| 17:51.28 | TwistedPBook | Grrr... why am I helping people LEAVE linux? |
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| 17:51.30 | kl | think , but my question is not a very question |
| 17:51.37 | kl | it's troll |
| 17:51.40 | kl | :) |
| 17:51.43 | nixuser | lol |
| 17:51.50 | TwistedPBook | !troll kl |
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| 17:52.03 | nixuser | hell do a dual boot |
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| 17:52.44 | TiMiDo | !KL |
| 17:52.57 | TiMiDo | !troll dpkg |
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| 17:53.21 | EdLin | !botabuse |
| 17:53.21 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 17:53.22 | TwistedPBook | TiMiDo: enjoying yourself? |
| 17:53.28 | ke6isf | !tell TiMiDo -about msg the bot |
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| 17:53.37 | TiMiDo | !tell ke6isf to fuck off |
| 17:53.43 | xtz | nixuser: i changed the cable... still so slow |
| 17:53.57 | nixuser | got a different network card? |
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| 17:54.03 | TwistedPBook | ke6isf: hahah you should tell him about ban |
| 17:54.07 | xtz | no :( |
| 17:54.28 | xtz | but, does it exist a program to check the NICs ? |
| 17:54.32 | nixuser | not familiar with that brand of router, try different ports, nic cards etc, experiment |
| 17:54.38 | ke6isf | TwistedPBook: Meh, I'll let him work himself into his own tizzy and get dinged himself. |
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| 17:54.53 | xtz | nixuser: i tried all... just not the cable... but now its done |
| 17:55.03 | TwistedPBook | ke6isf: you are wise ;) |
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| 17:55.07 | nixuser | may want to update your router as well if its that old |
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| 17:55.47 | TwistedPBook | xtz: what the problem? trying to connect two machines and it's slow? |
| 17:56.20 | nixuser | two servers connecting to the net, are they running similar software? is it possible the router is confusing which server gets which packet? |
| 17:56.34 | TwistedPBook | even if it's connected using 10mbit instead of 100mbit.. it should be very fast. |
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| 17:56.56 | TwistedPBook | nixuser: dont think so... |
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| 17:57.20 | nixuser | he has some old router ive never heard of |
| 17:57.42 | nixuser | unknown if it uses nat |
| 17:58.14 | TwistedPBook | xtz: try a never router... or any spare hubs? switches? |
| 17:58.17 | xtz | nixuser: one is running debian sarge (runs perfectly, and fast internet.. was used as router/fw), and the new one is running debian Sarge (new internet router/fw) |
| 17:58.22 | TwistedPBook | *newer |
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| 17:58.53 | xtz | the router (zoom X5 5554) works perfectly |
| 17:59.09 | xtz | i connected my computer directly to the router, and all goes fine |
| 17:59.10 | nixuser | you have assign different ports to the different servers or your router gets confuzzled |
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| 17:59.30 | xtz | hmm what ? |
| 17:59.31 | TwistedPBook | nixuser: I dont think that's possible.. |
| 17:59.53 | TwistedPBook | xtz: do you have port forwarding on? |
| 17:59.56 | xtz | the router has an builtin 4 ports switch... each server uses one |
| 17:59.56 | nixuser | ive tried running two ftp servers on the same port before, it doesnt work well |
| 18:00.01 | xtz | yes TwistedPBook |
| 18:00.20 | TwistedPBook | xtz: try disabling that and see if there is a speed difference.. |
| 18:00.37 | xtz | on the router or on the one of the servers ? |
| 18:00.51 | TwistedPBook | xtz: that's the only thing that I could thiink of which would cause a clash if it's a port being shared problem.. |
| 18:00.55 | TwistedPBook | router |
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| 18:01.17 | nixuser | time fer football, later |
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| 18:01.24 | TwistedPBook | late |
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| 18:01.40 | pem3v78 | I have setup vsftpd with tls, but it runs only with PORT not PASSIVE. What could be the problem ? |
| 18:01.42 | xtz | i will try this TwistedPBook... but have to disconnect all... i be back in 10 mins.. |
| 18:01.52 | pem3v78 | the client has timeout |
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| 18:02.01 | TwistedPBook | xtz: kk |
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| 18:03.37 | ales | hi, does driver ne2000 for ISA network card work on 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 18:05.51 | daddius | hey can debian stable or testing work on sata drives? |
| 18:05.58 | cheal | daddius: yes |
| 18:05.59 | vorpal | hi folks. does anyone know why apt-get upgrade would hang while downloading one or two specific packages, but everything else downloads fine? |
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| 18:06.13 | cheal | vorpal: fine from the same source? |
| 18:06.15 | daddius | cheal, for some reason it failed during sintall of 3.1 |
| 18:06.22 | vorpal | cheal: yes |
| 18:06.53 | cheal | vorpal: it hangs where exactly? |
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| 18:07.18 | cemcom | hi |
| 18:07.20 | cheal | daddius: that's quite possible. not all is supported. with which kernel were you trying? |
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| 18:07.51 | cemcom | so after my last dist-upgrade, X doesn't seem to be working. as gdm starts it says it can't init properly and gives no diagnostic output |
| 18:07.54 | ales | cheal: 2.6.13 |
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| 18:08.20 | cemcom | XFree86 doesn't seem to be present... startx gives no useful output either. no log generated in /var/log/XFree.0.log |
| 18:08.20 | cheal | ales: sorry, I didn't mean to ask you anything |
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| 18:08.40 | cemcom | if anyone's got ideas, i'd be very thankful |
| 18:08.48 | cheal | cemcom: dist-upgrade on which release? |
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| 18:09.21 | cemcom | sarge |
| 18:09.46 | cheal | cemcom: do you know what packages were upgraded? |
| 18:09.56 | cemcom | a whole lot |
| 18:10.14 | daddius | cheal, i was trying to install but if screemed and failed. I also tried ubuntu 5.06 i believe |
| 18:10.17 | daddius | it just hung there |
| 18:10.20 | cemcom | incl. X packages... i just ran the last dist-upgrade like 5 min hoping maybe something was gonna change... |
| 18:10.24 | vorpal | cheal: http://pastebin.com/395619 |
| 18:10.29 | cemcom | * 5 min ago |
| 18:10.35 | daddius | been hearing alot of people having problems with sata drives |
| 18:10.41 | vorpal | it hangs there every time. at the same percentage |
| 18:10.44 | cheal | daddius: with which kernel were you trying? |
| 18:10.44 | cemcom | a lot of packages got upgraded incl. libc6, X libs, lots of stuff |
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| 18:10.59 | daddius | cheal, not sure but debian 3.1 |
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| 18:11.35 | daddius | cheal, i am new to debian so i woudln't know what kernel it had.. I just know the version and tried to do the installation process |
| 18:11.45 | cheal | daddius: by default 3.1 uses a 2.4.27 kernel on i386. I suppose you didn't choose the 2.6 option? |
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| 18:12.04 | daddius | cheal, ahhh perhaps that was the case |
| 18:12.04 | cheal | daddius: try booting 3.1 installer with the linux26 boot parameter |
| 18:12.14 | daddius | ok |
| 18:12.29 | cheal | cemcom: libc6 :? when was your last dist-upgrade? |
| 18:12.29 | daddius | cheal, isn't 3.1 stable or testing? |
| 18:12.36 | cheal | !debian 3.1 |
| 18:12.39 | vorpal | i have tried changing sources, and it still hangs on the same package, at the same percentage, so i thinks its something wrong locally |
| 18:12.41 | cheal | hum |
| 18:12.43 | cheal | !3.1 |
| 18:12.43 | dpkg | hmm... 3.1 is sarge |
| 18:13.07 | daddius | dpkg, sarge meaning? |
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| 18:13.11 | daddius | testing? |
| 18:13.14 | daddius | or stable? |
| 18:13.17 | cheal | !sarge |
| 18:13.18 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 18:13.25 | daddius | got U |
| 18:13.29 | JAV | do unstable evolution works? mail component don't even show |
| 18:13.56 | cheal | JAV: the answer to does unstable foo work is check the BTS for foo |
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| 18:14.31 | aa112 | I got a pre-made binary...but I get error cannot execute binary file qwhen i try to run it... |
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| 18:14.53 | cemcom | cheal: any ideas? do you think this is a temp fluke and someone just messed up a package? |
| 18:15.03 | halibut | is there a bandwidth limited program I can use, so that a direct connect client cannot max out my upload bandwidth? |
| 18:15.05 | B_Raven | Hey. Anyone know a way to mount bin/cue images? |
| 18:15.13 | abrotman | !bin/cue |
| 18:15.13 | dpkg | from memory, bin/cue is a cd image file format used by CDRWin. cdrdao can burn these images |
| 18:15.17 | cheal | cemcom: libc6 :? when was your last dist-upgrade? |
| 18:15.23 | abrotman | !bin-cue |
| 18:15.24 | dpkg | .bin and .cue files are part of a Golden Hawk Technology CDRWIN image. You can convert a CDRWIN image to ISO/WAV with "bchunk", though you will lose any subcode data (used for game copy protection mechanisms) |
| 18:15.25 | cemcom | 5 min ago |
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| 18:15.33 | vorpal | hah, i figured it out |
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| 18:15.47 | vorpal | talking it out here helped me solve my problem |
| 18:15.59 | Daemon | can anyone tell me.... |
| 18:16.00 | vorpal | thanks for listening ;-) or ignoring ;-) |
| 18:16.03 | Daemon | i have a laptop, on XP |
| 18:16.07 | cheal | cemcom: when was you last successful dist-upgrade? |
| 18:16.08 | Daemon | and an external HDD |
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| 18:16.21 | Daemon | can I install debian on the HDD, to have it dual booting with xp? |
| 18:16.26 | aa112 | bash: ./psotnic-0.2.5-linux: cannot execute binary file |
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| 18:16.36 | JAV | cheal: I've already done it. (saying yes or no would be a more usefull and short) :) |
| 18:16.46 | TwistedPBook | Question guys... I have DNS forwarding done for me by dyndns.org or whatever and have apache2 up also... how tough would it be to setup a mail server tooo so I could recieve email at like me@mydomain.com? |
| 18:16.49 | cheal | Daemon: yes |
| 18:16.58 | cemcom | good question. i think i probably ran one yesterday, and this is the first time i've rebooted since then and it's when the issues started, so I ran it again hoping it would get fixed. before that I think I hadn't ran one for a while (maybe a few weeks?) |
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| 18:17.53 | cemcom | is XFree86 a program I should expect to have on my filesystem? or did it get replaced by something else at some point, b/c that file isn't anywhere |
| 18:17.58 | TwistedPBook | And what mail server program would you guys suggest? Looking for something that is easy to setup and also easy to install plugins like virus scanners, spam protection, etc etc. |
| 18:18.25 | cheal | cemcom: yes, if the appropriate package is installed |
| 18:18.51 | mtnman | twistedpbook:: mailservers often will refuse to communicate with servers hosted on non-static ip ranges |
| 18:18.52 | cheal | !tell CorinCole about msg |
| 18:19.15 | cemcom | well, all the appropriate packages should be installed. i mean, X has been running fine before yesterday's upgrade |
| 18:19.39 | nkuttler | cemcom: what happens when you run startx from the command line? |
| 18:19.41 | cemcom | do you think some fool could have just messed up the X package? |
| 18:19.51 | TwistedPBook | mtnman: Err.. I have a static IP now... I just didn't have a static ip when I signed up.. I use a subdomain of dyndns.org |
| 18:20.01 | cheal | cemcom: yeah...stable is managed by a fool... |
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| 18:20.11 | TwistedPBook | mtnman: ovaici.homelinux.com... is it going to be possible or no? |
| 18:20.12 | cemcom | it complains about wrong priority (-11 instead of wanted -10) then waits for a few secs, says "server error" and "cannot connect to server" or some such and dies |
| 18:20.22 | CorinCole | how would that work then cheal? |
| 18:20.27 | CorinCole | and how would I set it up? |
| 18:20.28 | nkuttler | cemcom: grep the log for EE and paste it somewhere |
| 18:20.29 | mtnman | twistepbook: if you have a static ip, i would recommend normal dns not dyndns |
| 18:20.34 | cemcom | well there's no log |
| 18:20.36 | cemcom | that's the problem |
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| 18:20.50 | nkuttler | cemcom: it's hard to believe... |
| 18:20.52 | TwistedPBook | mtnman: you know of a decent free dns service out there? |
| 18:21.02 | cemcom | no /var/log/XFree.0.log ; when gdm starts and says "do you want to see the log" and I say "Yes" it gives me a blank screen |
| 18:21.08 | abrotman | you have a real server? . host your own DNS |
| 18:21.09 | cemcom | it's absolutely bizarre. |
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| 18:21.15 | abrotman | a real static IP server |
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| 18:21.17 | mtnman | twistedpbook: no, i do not. |
| 18:21.18 | nkuttler | cemcom: well, did you _look_ if the file is there? |
| 18:21.26 | nkuttler | cemcom: you know, like with ls? |
| 18:21.28 | TwistedPBook | abrotman: but then I have to register and pay right..? |
| 18:21.36 | abrotman | for a domain .. yes |
| 18:21.41 | abrotman | how else do you expect to get mail ? |
| 18:21.51 | cemcom | in /var/log ? |
| 18:21.51 | abrotman | or send |
| 18:21.59 | TwistedPBook | abrotman: using the subdomain thing... |
| 18:21.59 | nkuttler | cemcom: no, in /dev/null... |
| 18:22.13 | abrotman | subdomain of what? |
| 18:22.13 | CorinCole | brb |
| 18:22.14 | cemcom | no, i didn't look for one w/ startx in the local dir... hmm for some reason i thought i would shopw up in /var/log but clearly it shouldn't |
| 18:22.27 | TwistedPBook | abrotman: in this case... ovaici.homelinux.com |
| 18:22.31 | cemcom | there's no log in /var/log (yes, even w/ ls) |
| 18:22.35 | abrotman | TwistedPBook: noone will accept your mail |
| 18:22.42 | B_Raven | Ok. My cd-burner is fried, the iso's from bchunk won't mount. Any other suggestions? Could have sworn I read about something capable of mounting .bin images a while back. |
| 18:22.46 | nkuttler | cemcom: you said you're running stable? |
| 18:22.50 | cemcom | sarge |
| 18:22.50 | cheal | CorinCole: I don't know. look at the install guide |
| 18:22.51 | TwistedPBook | abrotman: it has to be a registered domain name? |
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| 18:22.58 | abrotman | TwistedPBook: is your IP static ? |
| 18:23.04 | TwistedPBook | abrotman: yeah |
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| 18:23.08 | abrotman | and i mean 100% static |
| 18:23.15 | nkuttler | cemcom: sounds bad. like a broken hd or something. /msg dpkg remove x, /msg dpkg set up x, reinstall |
| 18:23.19 | abrotman | then pay godaddy 8$ for whatever it is to get a real domain |
| 18:23.21 | TwistedPBook | abrotman: yeah... it doesnt change.. |
| 18:23.30 | abrotman | TwistedPBook: no .. is it static! |
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| 18:23.39 | cheal | JAV: just don't expect to have a useful answer to such a question here |
| 18:23.41 | TwistedPBook | abrotman: yes dammit it's static |
| 18:23.41 | cemcom | nkuttler: '/msg dpkg remove x' ? |
| 18:23.42 | abrotman | TwistedPBook: just beucase it doesn't change .. doesn't mean it can't |
| 18:23.49 | nkuttler | cemcom: yes? |
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| 18:23.53 | cemcom | what do you mean '/msg' ? |
| 18:23.56 | abrotman | you either have dhcp .. or you pay extra for a static |
| 18:23.56 | TwistedPBook | abrotman: ;) It wont change |
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| 18:24.03 | TwistedPBook | I pay extra |
| 18:24.04 | nkuttler | cemcom: why don't you just type it? in this window. |
| 18:24.07 | TwistedPBook | for static |
| 18:24.08 | [sr] | hi budies :) |
| 18:24.11 | abrotman | TwistedPBook: then get a real domain .. run your own dns |
| 18:24.16 | cemcom | nkuttler: and which X packages do I remove? |
| 18:24.35 | [sr] | TwistedPBook sorry lol |
| 18:24.38 | nkuttler | cemcom: what part of what the bot told you do you not understand? |
| 18:24.53 | cemcom | nkuttler: not used to IRC. what's the bot do? |
| 18:25.01 | TwistedPBook | [sr]: for what? |
| 18:25.10 | nkuttler | cemcom: i _told_ you what to do |
| 18:25.15 | [sr] | TwistedPBook just versioned you for mistake |
| 18:25.17 | nkuttler | !tell cemcom about remove x |
| 18:25.19 | nkuttler | !tell cemcom about set up x |
| 18:25.44 | TwistedPBook | oh.. didnt notice |
| 18:26.09 | cemcom | nkuttler: i just typed '/msg dpkg remove x' and nothing happened? |
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| 18:26.20 | nkuttler | cemcom: learn how your irc client works |
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| 18:26.33 | EdLin | cemcom: is your nickname registered? |
| 18:26.36 | TwistedPBook | Is there a difference between .us or .biz and .com? I mean except for it being preety? |
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| 18:26.37 | cemcom | nkuttler: ah. yes. ::ahem:: |
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| 18:27.09 | EdLin | TwistedPBook: there is supposed to be but there isn't |
| 18:27.31 | TwistedPBook | EdLin: so for mail servers wont be a problem? |
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| 18:28.09 | iostream | Hi.. I want file can I change my localization settings? (default language...) |
| 18:28.12 | cemcom | nkuttler: k thx. learning about X *and* IRC today. if only this bot could write the damn neural network I need my X for, I would be truly amazed |
| 18:28.13 | EdLin | TwistedPBook: no |
| 18:28.15 | cemcom | peace |
| 18:28.24 | [sr] | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 18:29.08 | EdLin | not only is it sunday its permaseptember |
| 18:29.11 | aeronadix | I got some wicked problems with my thinkpad debian install. First of all my middle mouse button doesn't work. But more importantly, when my screen saver comes on, or when my screen turns off, or when I press function+screen switch, I can't turn my screen back on and have to power down and reboot |
| 18:29.14 | sobersabre | hi guys... i've found some SuckIts at work... where can I read on it ? is there any chrootkit relateed channel ? |
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| 18:30.03 | EdLin | sobersabre: if you've been rootkitted the only answer is to restore from known-secure backups or reinstall |
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| 18:31.21 | ke6isf | !always sunday |
| 18:31.22 | dpkg | Just as it's always September, somewhere, out on the internet, it's always Sunday here in #debian. |
| 18:31.25 | jair | hello guys, I did something crazy in my laptop debian. I install in this laptop debian sarge when it was "testing" but then I change the repositories to stable sarge and I has been working with not problem at all. |
| 18:31.36 | salvo | CIAO A TUTTI |
| 18:31.45 | ke6isf | !it |
| 18:31.45 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:31.49 | salvo | SI |
| 18:31.52 | jair | today I add a new repositorie and it get the repo from testing hahah since was testing. |
| 18:31.56 | ke6isf | salvo: Grazie. |
| 18:32.02 | ProN00b | i am currently doing a "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdc" how do i find out how far it is ? |
| 18:32.06 | jair | now if I want to change this repo to stable??? |
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| 18:32.19 | jair | I have to edit manually the /etc/source.list right? |
| 18:32.23 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.23 | abrotman | jair: you can't |
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| 18:32.28 | abrotman | you're running testing now |
| 18:32.35 | jair | abrotman, nope |
| 18:32.40 | salvo | O appena installatu linux non so da dove iniziare |
| 18:32.47 | SimonRaven | jair: um, just because it hasn't crashed and burned yet, doesn't mean it works |
| 18:32.52 | jair | abrotman, I was running testing in debian sarge |
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| 18:33.09 | ke6isf | salvo: /join #debian-it per favore, grazie. |
| 18:33.13 | jair | but this is the thing I did not install anything yes |
| 18:33.16 | jair | yet |
| 18:33.17 | EdLin | ProN00b: you get a prize for the most retarded thing to do out of boredom or idiocy |
| 18:33.21 | EdLin | !prize ProN00b |
| 18:33.24 | iostream | Hi.. I want file can I change my localization settings? (default language...) |
| 18:33.29 | jair | I just did the apt-setup and add another repo |
| 18:33.43 | ke6isf | ProN00b: Why in HELL are you doing that!! |
| 18:33.45 | salvo | come faccio? |
| 18:33.52 | cheal | deepan: what do you mean by "a world called groups"? |
| 18:33.54 | ProN00b | to eraze everything on that disk ? |
| 18:34.11 | abrotman | !dban |
| 18:34.12 | dpkg | from memory, dban is http://dban.sf.net/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 18:34.14 | jair | abrotman, I know that all I have to do is change this lines to stable or sarge: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 18:34.14 | jair | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 18:34.19 | RichiH | what is that program to dump & compress ntfs file systems? |
| 18:34.20 | deepan | cheal: that was word.. |
| 18:34.23 | deepan | i am sorry cheal |
| 18:34.27 | abrotman | !tell jair about sarge->etch |
| 18:34.28 | ke6isf | ProN00b: /dev/zero is faster, isn't it? |
| 18:34.39 | ProN00b | humm, could be |
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| 18:34.52 | ProN00b | is random so slow ? |
| 18:34.54 | jair | abrotman, I am telling you that i install sarge on this laptop when was "sarge=Testing" |
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| 18:35.00 | ke6isf | ProN00b: Probably marginally. |
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| 18:35.09 | walterbrunswick | why would gdm not work? |
| 18:35.17 | abrotman | jair: and? |
| 18:35.19 | jair | abrotman, then after that I just modify the line of the sarge testing because did not work, it was stable |
| 18:35.21 | Seb | !doesnt' work |
| 18:35.26 | ke6isf | ProN00b: With /dev/random you're dealing with entropy, with /dev/zero it's pretty much 0 as far as the eye can see. |
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| 18:35.28 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 18:35.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:35.30 | EdLin | jair: upgrading works by design, downgrading doesn't |
| 18:35.33 | abrotman | Seb: you don't work! |
| 18:35.34 | waltz | oh hello abrotman |
| 18:35.34 | ProN00b | its taking along time already, any idea how long it might take for 300gig, ke6isf ? |
| 18:35.37 | jair | abrotman, I do not need to know anything about etch |
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| 18:35.42 | Seb | abrotman: not this morning ;) |
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| 18:35.59 | jair | Edgan, I think i am not explaining myself very well |
| 18:36.17 | abrotman | waltz: did you get it figured out ? |
| 18:36.19 | ke6isf | ProN00b: The phrase "Go get yourself a cup of coffee" comes to mind. |
| 18:36.27 | jair | forget about it I will do it and I will try to explain you better so you can understand |
| 18:36.28 | waltz | abrotman: Everything but the gdm part :\ |
| 18:36.30 | SimonRaven | jair: no, you're just not comprehending very well |
| 18:36.36 | waltz | Clean HTTP install went well. |
| 18:36.45 | abrotman | ProN00b: and you used random .. which was bad .. you're probably looking at .. 5+ hours ? |
| 18:36.49 | waltz | But for some reason gdm is not starting i.e. displaying. |
| 18:36.52 | abrotman | waltz: apt-get install gnome gdm menu ? |
| 18:36.52 | ProN00b | omg ! |
| 18:36.59 | abrotman | waltz: look in your error log in /var/log/ |
| 18:37.02 | waltz | gdm is running |
| 18:37.09 | abrotman | not if you can't see it :) |
| 18:37.10 | SimonRaven | proof: jair : abrotman, I do not need to know anything about etch |
| 18:37.11 | ProN00b | abrotman, how long would zeros take ? |
| 18:37.22 | waltz | how odd |
| 18:37.27 | abrotman | ProN00b: probably less .. use dban.sf.net |
| 18:37.33 | SimonRaven | zero time ;p |
| 18:37.36 | waltz | when I reboot it kills the gdm process :\ |
| 18:37.44 | abrotman | it should |
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| 18:37.48 | ProN00b | abrotman, its a remote machine |
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| 18:37.59 | SimonRaven | oh gawds, s/he didn't... |
| 18:38.07 | abrotman | they who? |
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| 18:38.17 | SimonRaven | probably drained random in seconds |
| 18:38.17 | abrotman | ProN00b: then i guess use zeros |
| 18:38.29 | SimonRaven | probably less than that |
| 18:39.16 | ProN00b | abrotman, its already running for about 2 hours, do you think restarting it with zeros will still be faster ? |
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| 18:39.27 | abrotman | ProN00b: why are you doing this ? |
| 18:39.30 | SimonRaven | ProN00b: i'd bet on it |
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| 18:39.41 | ProN00b | to absolutely wipe the disk |
| 18:39.44 | orangey | hey all! |
| 18:39.48 | Seb | nonsense |
| 18:39.58 | sobersabre | EdLin, you suggest to simply be stupid and reinstall... do I get your point ? |
| 18:40.00 | tombs | hi all |
| 18:40.02 | ProN00b | i want the data to be gone no matter how much money someone got to recover it |
| 18:40.04 | orangey | I'm trying to ssh into another system without a password (i.e., password is saved on the local system for the remote) |
| 18:40.05 | Seb | ProN00b: that's not how you wipe disks. apt-get install wipe |
| 18:40.09 | orangey | how do I go about doing that? |
| 18:40.12 | jair | ALL I have to do is change the: "testing" to sarge and I will continue running my OS in stable even though when I installed was "testing". :) it is working thank you. |
| 18:40.14 | Seb | ProN00b: you're way off base |
| 18:40.16 | asuffield | ProN00b: if you want the data to be gone like that, burn the disk |
| 18:40.21 | asuffield | ProN00b: you can't do it from software |
| 18:40.24 | EdLin | sobersabre: there's nothing stupid about reinstalling a rootkitted machine |
| 18:40.25 | sobersabre | EdLin, how about learning how that happened ? |
| 18:40.30 | abrotman | ProN00b: then use dban |
| 18:40.31 | Seb | ProN00b: what asuffield just said |
| 18:40.36 | sobersabre | or investigating ? |
| 18:40.57 | nkuttler | orangey: /msg dpkg ssh keys |
| 18:40.59 | EdLin | sobersabre: the longer that machine is on the net the more likely damage will be caused by the 0wner |
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| 18:41.13 | CorinCole | !help |
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| 18:41.45 | sobersabre | EdLin, this is so naive to think the 0wner won't succeed next time... don't you think ? |
| 18:41.47 | EdLin | sobersabre: besides, if you have to ask here about how to use google to find out about the problem chances are you won't understand what any of it means |
| 18:41.49 | asuffield | heat is the easiest and most reliable method of destruction for magnetic disks; merely overwriting it does nothing to stop forensic analysis, which an agency will do for you for some small multiple of $10k |
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| 18:42.05 | EdLin | sobersabre: not if you take proper precautions and harden your system appropriately |
| 18:42.07 | SimonRaven | ProN00b: be more fun to take a baseball bat and a small fire to it than spending 6+ hours wiping the thing |
| 18:42.11 | sobersabre | EdLin, you are very forthcoming, thank you .... |
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| 18:42.30 | CorinCole | can someone help me with installing debian on an external hard-drive, so it dual boots with XP on the laptop |
| 18:42.32 | CorinCole | :) |
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| 18:42.38 | ProN00b | SimonRaven, its a remote machine as i already said |
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| 18:42.53 | asuffield | ProN00b: so you can't do it |
| 18:42.56 | sobersabre | EdLin, and I do know how to use google. after all. I am asking a specific question. |
| 18:43.08 | TwistedPBook | ProN00b: someone you really hate? |
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| 18:43.11 | SimonRaven | ProN00b: so? your point? your logic escapes me |
| 18:43.13 | Seb | ProN00b: well putting more stuff on the disk won't ever prevent anyone seriously motivated to recover the data you're trying to hide |
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| 18:43.18 | sobersabre | and you give me general purpose answer... thanks, mate... |
| 18:43.27 | CorinCole | anyone? |
| 18:43.29 | EdLin | sobersabre: I already gave you my answer and you rejected it. FOAD |
| 18:43.43 | fl3r | lo guys, i have a question please, how do i unmute my microphone/loudspeakers on debian? |
| 18:43.44 | Seb | !foad |
| 18:43.44 | dpkg | somebody said foad was "fuck off and die". Considered by many to be impolite. |
| 18:43.53 | jair | abrotman, did you understand now what was my issue? |
| 18:43.56 | ProN00b | riight, Seb... a gr8 h4xx4w can r3c0ver anything |
| 18:44.03 | Seb | fl3r: run alsamixer |
| 18:44.05 | CorinCole | ???? |
| 18:44.05 | jair | abrotman, I solved alredy |
| 18:44.06 | sobersabre | EdLin, you know abbreviations! |
| 18:44.11 | abrotman | jair: of course not |
| 18:44.12 | TwistedPBook | ProN00b: they have told you how to do it... just write and wipe it like 40 times... or just run the write and wipe in a continuous loop and hope it burns out.. |
| 18:44.16 | Seb | ProN00b: i never mentioned hackers of any kind, now did I ? |
| 18:44.20 | sobersabre | you must be more qualified than me ;-) |
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| 18:44.23 | SimonRaven | ProN00b: nothing to do with being a "great hax0r" you jackass |
| 18:44.25 | EdLin | !moron sobersabre |
| 18:44.26 | dpkg | sobersabre: You are moron #24 |
| 18:44.31 | ProN00b | wowo |
| 18:44.31 | fl3r | Seb how exactly please? |
| 18:44.34 | Seb | yeah, ProN00b is really being an ass here |
| 18:44.38 | cheal | CorinCole: look at the install guide |
| 18:44.40 | TwistedPBook | ProN00b: any idiot can recover a drive |
| 18:44.41 | Seb | fl3r: *run* *alsamixer* |
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| 18:44.43 | SimonRaven | /ig -replies ProN00b |
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| 18:44.52 | TwistedPBook | !troll ProN00b |
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| 18:45.29 | Seb | s/noob/punk jackass bitch/ |
| 18:45.36 | elvirolo | debian is brilliant |
| 18:45.38 | ProN00b | TwistedPBook, i wana see you recover a disk where "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdc" runs through more than once |
| 18:45.40 | Seb | yeah, unnecessary but satisfying |
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| 18:45.57 | sobersabre | EdLin, I gained this "moron" thing 23 times today, and now its my 24th... wow. |
| 18:45.58 | TwistedPBook | ProN00b: just shutup... they told you how to do it.. |
| 18:46.00 | ke6isf | Oy, l33tcaps. =O.o= |
| 18:46.03 | ProN00b | if you could, you could just as well store more data on the disk than its max of 300gig |
| 18:46.06 | elvirolo | i dunno why people use ubuntu when debian is a lot better |
| 18:46.07 | abrotman | !tell solemnwarning about away |
| 18:46.07 | EdLin | ProN00b: the police can do it using standard forensic tools |
| 18:46.08 | TwistedPBook | ProN00b: and I could.. thanks ;) |
| 18:46.14 | Seb | ProN00b: it's not about you or me, it's about people who do this for a living you moron |
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| 18:46.32 | fl3r | ty Seb. |
| 18:46.38 | asuffield | ProN00b: there are commercial agencies providing this service for prices in the range of $10k-$100k per disk |
| 18:46.40 | eboy | kamusta mga kapatid |
| 18:47.03 | jair | abrotman, this four lines tells you that I am running what flavor of debian? http://pastebin.com/395645 |
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| 18:47.13 | asuffield | you take the disk, put it in a box, and mail it to them, along with a cheque. about a week later they mail you back a few CDs with the data you wanted on them |
| 18:47.13 | ProN00b | asuffield, maybe for burned or electronically shocked disks, but nor for disks that have been overwritten some times... |
| 18:47.23 | Seb | yeah, ProN00b is a troll |
| 18:47.29 | abrotman | jair: ok |
| 18:47.30 | Seb | most def |
| 18:47.30 | asuffield | ProN00b: nobody can recover a burned disk. I am talking about recovery of overwritten data |
| 18:47.38 | CorinCole | does anyone here have MS vista? |
| 18:47.41 | elirips | hello. i use cups for printing with my hp laserjet 1200. if i print from adobe acrobat reader some pdf prints are not usuable - they get displayed correctly, but the print-out is not what is displayed before. any ideas? |
| 18:47.43 | ke6isf | jair: You're running Sarge. |
| 18:47.44 | asuffield | ProN00b: if it's just physical damage or shock, they only charge a few hundred $ |
| 18:47.46 | CorinCole | (longhorn) |
| 18:47.46 | CorinCole | :P |
| 18:47.55 | abrotman | ProN00b: that's what they specialize in .. getting data that has been overwritten |
| 18:47.55 | ke6isf | CorinCole: Why are you asking in here?! |
| 18:48.07 | CorinCole | im interested ke6isf lol |
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| 18:48.12 | ke6isf | !polls |
| 18:48.13 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 18:48.14 | ProN00b | its impossible if you overwrite it for more than once, especially with random... |
| 18:48.20 | Seb | yup |
| 18:48.23 | abrotman | ProN00b: that's what they specialize in .. getting data that has been overwritten |
| 18:48.27 | Seb | troll troll troll |
| 18:48.32 | EdLin | !any ideas |
| 18:48.32 | Seb | don't give in people :> |
| 18:48.32 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little WD-40, and a dozen rabid hamsters. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 18:48.36 | abrotman | ProN00b: if you think it's impossible .. you're severely retarded |
| 18:48.37 | asuffield | ProN00b: it is far from impossible. the techniques have been commonly used in law enforcement since the 1970s and commercially since about 1990 |
| 18:48.37 | jair | ke6isf, of course my debian friend :) |
| 18:48.47 | TwistedPBook | abrotman: ProN00b is a idiot.. ignore. |
| 18:48.50 | ke6isf | ProN00b: It's only impossible if you remove the platters and remove the media from the platters, and scatter the media over a 1M^2 area. |
| 18:48.58 | Seb | ke6isf: heh |
| 18:49.06 | Seb | see y'all later people |
| 18:49.14 | jair | ke6isf, the reson why i was showing this to abrotman is because I want he understand what was the confusion I had. |
| 18:49.15 | ProN00b | . . . |
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| 18:49.17 | abrotman | !shark seb |
| 18:49.18 | asuffield | ke6isf: actually, mere physical damage is considered 'cheaply recoverable' |
| 18:49.32 | abrotman | jair: i'm not certain what problem you had to start with |
| 18:49.33 | Seb | abrotman: you don't work man :D |
| 18:49.36 | ke6isf | asuffield: After scraping the magnetic layer off of the platters? |
| 18:49.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:49.40 | asuffield | there's damned few things that will actually obliterate the data. a high-energy degausser, or heating above the curie point, are two of them |
| 18:49.41 | Seb | abrotman: ;) |
| 18:49.44 | ProN00b | how long will nulling take for 300gig ? |
| 18:49.58 | abrotman | we told you |
| 18:50.00 | asuffield | ke6isf: it's a solid lump of glass nowadays, what are you going to scrape off? |
| 18:50.02 | abrotman | A LONG TIME |
| 18:50.12 | abrotman | ProN00b: but people can still get data off it |
| 18:50.14 | ke6isf | asuffield: Ah. |
| 18:50.14 | jair | ke6isf, when I first install debian on this machine was call "testing" but it was sarge. |
| 18:50.25 | ke6isf | jair: Sarge is now stable. |
| 18:50.30 | Seb | ProN00b: dude your pr0n *will* be recoved, just get used to the idea |
| 18:50.34 | Seb | recovered |
| 18:50.43 | abrotman | Seb: you can irc from the pool!!! |
| 18:50.44 | asuffield | you can scratch it up pretty badly, or shatter it, but it's not just a sprayed-on surface any more |
| 18:50.50 | [sr] | Seb lol |
| 18:50.56 | Seb | abrotman: not there yet, but matter of fact I can :) |
| 18:51.01 | abrotman | wrong |
| 18:51.01 | ke6isf | asuffield: Indeed, this is news. =^^= Well... how hot can you get that fire? =^_^= |
| 18:51.07 | Seb | abrotman: from the pool *side* that is ;) |
| 18:51.07 | jair | ke6isf, right |
| 18:51.24 | asuffield | ke6isf: curie point for iron compounds is typically 600-800 degrees celsius. you can do that with a good blowtorch |
| 18:51.24 | fl3r | Seb: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for defaul: No such device |
| 18:51.27 | fl3r | up to it? |
| 18:51.28 | ProN00b | Seb, at the moment i am working on that it has at least to be recovered, so how do i wipe the disk fast ? |
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| 18:51.41 | jair | ke6isf, that means that all I did in my /atp/source.lst is change the name from "testing" to "sarge" |
| 18:51.42 | Seb | ProN00b: apt-get install wipe; not that I haven't told you already |
| 18:51.49 | asuffield | (curie point being the temperature at which magnetism ceases to function) |
| 18:51.51 | SimonRaven | or a decent pottery kiln ;) |
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| 18:52.05 | jair | ke6isf, then I did apt-get update upgrade dist-upgrade |
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| 18:52.44 | fl3r | how do i fix that; alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for defaul: No such device |
| 18:52.54 | asuffield | basically if you tear the thing down and melt the platters, it's gone |
| 18:53.13 | SimonRaven | jair: dude, it's at /etc/apt/sources.list - i 've seen you give it at least 2 non-existent locations |
| 18:53.22 | asuffield | the only other reliable method is degaussing, but who has one of those nowadays? |
| 18:53.32 | abrotman | we had one at uni |
| 18:53.43 | jair | ke6isf, then today i was having problem running apt-get update or installing packages from the current repository I had. so I run again the apt-setup and the system add a new repository another one from other place I choose but I forgot that I this system was before installed as a testing, so the repository that was added was testing :) |
| 18:53.45 | SimonRaven | asuffield: folks who collect useful junk ;) |
| 18:53.57 | asuffield | SimonRaven: useful junk with a three-phase power supply? :P |
| 18:54.13 | SimonRaven | sure. uni buildings have such =) |
| 18:54.18 | SimonRaven | some anyway |
| 18:54.28 | fl3r | Help guys :/ |
| 18:54.31 | jair | ke6isf, but I did not get panic, all I did is change again the name "testing" to "sarge" in the new repository and everything works like I am in sarge"stable" again ;) |
| 18:54.40 | ProN00b | Seb, and how do i do it with wipe ? |
| 18:54.44 | jair | hahaha |
| 18:54.50 | SimonRaven | fl3r: means nothing's there. load the module for your sound device |
| 18:54.52 | jair | SimonRaven, it is ok thanks |
| 18:54.53 | jair | :) |
| 18:55.09 | SimonRaven | fl3r: can also mean no /dev files exist to access it |
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| 18:55.51 | Seb | ProN00b: how about you read the man page for it for instance ? |
| 18:56.00 | Seb | ProN00b: sounds like a revolutionary idea now doesn't it ? |
| 18:56.43 | ProN00b | Seb, will wipe take as long as what i did bevore ? |
| 18:56.48 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 18:56.49 | BlueWings | (In a Darth Vader voice) ProN00b: you can not escape your destiny, your mom *will* find out that you had all that pr0n |
| 18:56.49 | jair | ke6isf, so it is ok now right? |
| 18:56.50 | ProN00b | i just need a fast way now |
| 18:56.52 | abrotman | just let him continue |
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| 18:57.09 | abrotman | he's beyond what any cluebat could do |
| 18:57.23 | ProN00b | abrotman, you suck for not helping, kthx |
| 18:57.32 | abrotman | i did help you fucktard |
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| 18:57.35 | abrotman | i told you five times |
| 18:57.37 | ProN00b | BlueWings, i am wiping a encypted partition |
| 18:58.23 | ProN00b | did you people ever heard of trying to to something ? (as instead of accepting it impossible) |
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| 18:58.31 | ke6isf | jair: Should be. |
| 18:58.38 | BlueWings | you are wiping out the patience of people trying to help you out... |
| 18:58.48 | abrotman | and insulting them :) |
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| 18:59.28 | BlueWings | I am not generally inclined to speak but I notice that this channel has shown a *lot* of tolerance as compared to typical IRC behaviour |
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| 18:59.46 | ProN00b | no, i just insulted you, abrotman, because you insulted me |
| 18:59.50 | BlueWings | and despite that you are being unfriendly to people who had tried to help you |
| 18:59.53 | ke6isf | I have in my /var/log/mail.err the line "postfix/smtp[26228]: fatal: unknown service: smtp/tcp" - this is after restoring my previous /etc/postfix directory from my previous install. As a result, outbound mail is happily waiting to depart. Postfix seems to think that the configuration is OK, though now I'm stumped. What has gone wrong? |
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| 19:00.09 | ProN00b | BlueWings, what have i done wrong ? |
| 19:00.11 | abrotman | ProN00b: because you've been told umpteen times how to do it .. and you just fucking won't god damn do it .. for some stupid reason |
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| 19:00.31 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 19:00.35 | ProN00b | abrotman, i have been told alot of times why doing it is pointless... |
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| 19:00.46 | ProN00b | which is just plain wrong |
| 19:00.47 | ProN00b | ... |
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| 19:00.57 | pem3v78 | is there a tool to explore sleepy cat db and do update, remove ? |
| 19:01.08 | ke6isf | ProN00b: He just /ignored you. As am I. |
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| 19:01.19 | SimonRaven | finally, he *plonk*s him |
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| 19:01.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:01.41 | SimonRaven | pem3v78: db*-util packages |
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| 19:02.08 | pem3v78 | any chance to get gui app ? |
| 19:02.27 | SimonRaven | dbX.Y-util, X being anything from 3 to 4, and Y being 0 to 3 |
| 19:02.42 | SimonRaven | pem3v78: right. and are you going to write it? |
| 19:02.57 | ProN00b | this channel is full of suckers, i hope you people think of yourselfes good for really helping people that are new to the thing |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | freshmeat ? |
| 19:03.03 | ProN00b | cya on windows, fuckzors |
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| 19:03.23 | pem3v78 | I never programmed this db, I even don't know if it's possible |
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| 19:03.26 | SimonRaven | a GUI frontend for the db_* tools ? gotta be kidding |
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| 19:03.49 | abrotman | SimonRaven: people have done stranger things .. like waste time zeroing out an encrypted partition |
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| 19:04.42 | SimonRaven | pem3v78: um, most of the time programs are already written to use the library. are you planning on coding for it, or are you looking to manage the actual files used by a program? |
| 19:04.43 | aeronadix | how do you stop xdm? |
| 19:04.51 | pem3v78 | ok, then how do I remove a value from hash db using db3_utils ? |
| 19:04.59 | SimonRaven | /etc/init.d/<daemon> stop |
| 19:05.07 | aeronadix | Thank SimonRaven |
| 19:05.18 | pem3v78 | I just need to manage a db for my ftp daemon |
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| 19:05.45 | SimonRaven | pem3v78: dump it, edit, re-add it |
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| 19:06.45 | pem3v78 | how to dump a hash db in byte format to text ? |
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| 19:07.08 | pem3v78 | when I use db3_dump the data isn't in text output |
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| 19:08.07 | tuv | i'm looking for a backup tool that does regular, e.g. daily, incremental remote directory backup |
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| 19:08.15 | SimonRaven | time to go read the sleepycat docs =) |
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| 19:08.29 | Kraig | i had a big crash due to my HDD, i have no other HDD to replace that one, and dunno why /var/lib/dpkg/status ceased to exist... so it was hard to finish the dist-upgrade after the running fsck manually and rebooting... now i'm receiving an error about update-menus, i try apt-get install --reinstall menu but it needs update-menus also, and it says /usr/bin/update-menus: cannot execute binary file, any ideas? |
| 19:08.30 | dakishi | when i try to get a package and get this message, (libname) but it is not installable, how can i make it installable?? |
| 19:08.50 | Mjelva | i've done a fresh install of debian, and i can't get x11 to function anymore. i think i've set the wrong monitor option during install. how do i find out what it should be, and where do i change the setting? |
| 19:08.54 | zinx | dakishi: don't run unstable |
| 19:09.10 | asuffield | Kraig: dead drive. it's dead. it won't become less dead if you pick at it |
| 19:09.15 | tuv | I looked for some and found quite a few such backup tools, but couldn't tell which is best |
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| 19:09.22 | dakishi | zinx, isnt there another way to fix this?? |
| 19:09.27 | Seb | abrotman_: k now I'm at the pool ;) |
| 19:09.30 | pem3v78 | SimonRaven: how should I edit the db when the daemon is working ? |
| 19:09.33 | abrotman_ | Seb: freak! |
| 19:09.46 | abrotman_ | Seb: it's not warm enough to go to a pool today |
| 19:09.48 | Kraig | asuffield: i should give 1 minute of silence and that's it? |
| 19:09.49 | zinx | dakishi: unstable is called unstable for a reason :/ |
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| 19:09.54 | SimonRaven | pem3v78: you don't |
| 19:09.55 | pem3v78 | wouldn't this break the daemon sometimes ? |
| 19:09.58 | Seb | abrotman_: of course it is |
| 19:10.08 | Seb | abrotman_: it's like 25 today |
| 19:10.09 | tuv | Some backup tools i found: backup2l, rdiff-backup, backuppc, sbackup...etc. anybody has any idea which would be best? |
| 19:10.09 | dakishi | zinx, lol but there must be a way to make it stable =P |
| 19:10.12 | Seb | celsius that is |
| 19:10.16 | dakishi | but well okey thx for the info |
| 19:10.19 | zinx | dakishi: no, but you can install stable |
| 19:10.21 | abrotman_ | Seb: not here |
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| 19:10.23 | Mjelva | SimonRaven - do you know how to change the monitor type setting? |
| 19:10.30 | Seb | abrotman_: heh, where ya at ? |
| 19:10.34 | pem3v78 | so you suggest to turn off the daemon ? |
| 19:10.35 | SimonRaven | why are you asking me? |
| 19:10.38 | zinx | dakishi: definitely don't try to mix or downgrade, because you'll screw your system up completely if you do that ;) |
| 19:10.40 | abrotman_ | Seb: philly-ish |
| 19:10.43 | Seb | SimonRaven: he likes you |
| 19:10.47 | Seb | abrotman_: oh yeah :\ |
| 19:10.54 | abrotman_ | Seb: it's like .. 60 today |
| 19:10.59 | Seb | abrotman_: oy |
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| 19:11.01 | Mjelva | SimonRaven - because practically everyone here has an insane superiority complex and hate answering questions |
| 19:11.16 | dakishi | zinx, it is already mixed, i got sarge and instlled a lot of unstabl epackage now every time i run apt -get i get same error message of installabel package =) |
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| 19:11.17 | SimonRaven | pem3v78: if you don't want to corrupt your database, yes. unless you feel like doing that, by all means leave the daemon running |
| 19:11.18 | abrotman_ | !drxx |
| 19:11.18 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 19:11.37 | zinx | dakishi: well, that's probably what caused the problems then |
| 19:11.40 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: context? x? |
| 19:11.42 | zinx | dakishi: never ever ever mix them |
| 19:11.57 | ke6isf | Mjelva: We don't hate answering questions, just the stupid ones. |
| 19:11.59 | zinx | dakishi: running all unstable is better than mixing |
| 19:12.05 | tuv | anybody had any experience with any backup tool? |
| 19:12.15 | dakishi | zinx, lol now i know it =) but i dont wanna resintall so ill just continue to see what i get =) |
| 19:12.23 | zinx | dakishi: if you need newer packages or such, use backports.org; if there's not one, still don't take it from unstable :) |
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| 19:12.30 | Mjelva | SimonRaven - yes. i've installed xserver-xfree86 as well as xserver-common. but i must have set the monitor type during install, because startx just gives me a blank screen for a few seconds and a 'no screens found' fatal error |
| 19:12.47 | dakishi | zinx, thx for the url =) |
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| 19:12.51 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: is this xorg, or xfree86? do that ^^^ . this isn't hard. you may need to add modelines if you have a funky monitor. and lastly, /msg dpkg sicco for a quickie intro on what kind of questions are appeciated here |
| 19:12.55 | Mjelva | set the wrong monitor type, that is |
| 19:13.07 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: means you didn't configure it, or the config's wrong |
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| 19:13.37 | Mjelva | SimonRaven - i did ask like that, but it went totally unheeded. original question: |
| 19:13.40 | Mjelva | i've done a fresh install of debian, and i can't get x11 to function anymore. i think i've set the wrong monitor option during install. how do i find out what it should be, and where do i change the setting? |
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| 19:14.56 | Mjelva | SimonRaven - ok, so i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:15.14 | Mjelva | how do i know what setting to use for my monitor? it's a 15" LCD for an Acer Travelmate 2410 |
| 19:15.41 | ke6isf | Mjelva: Google Is Your Friend. =^_^= |
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| 19:16.15 | Asmodee` | when i do apt-get install proftpd-common i get a msg saying that i already use the current version. when i do apt-get install proftpd-mysql i get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 19:16.17 | tuv | Some backup tools i found: backup2l, rdiff-backup, backuppc, sbackup... etc. anybody has any idea which would be best? |
| 19:16.20 | Asmodee` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.39 | Asmodee` | any ideas as to what the problem is and how to fix it? |
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| 19:16.47 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 19:17.14 | nvz | I've managed to go through two heaters already this year, and I've only needed to use one about two times something is wrong here. |
| 19:17.23 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: manufacturer's site is best place to look |
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| 19:17.32 | Asmodee` | ke6isf: sarge |
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| 19:17.55 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: at google: site: $MAKERS_SITE $model_number |
| 19:18.03 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: Do me a favor, paste your sources.list to #flood |
| 19:18.13 | nvz | the one I can probably fix as the only problem being the plug melting. I could just rewire it. the other which is like an oil filled radiator I guess, it just crapped out and doesnt turn on anymore :P |
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| 19:18.26 | shai | hey, how do i know what tags i have on my current repository? (the guys at #cvs don't answer!) |
| 19:18.46 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: Wow, how sparse. =^_^= |
| 19:18.53 | SimonRaven | shai: ls tags? ;p |
| 19:19.08 | Asmodee` | ke6isf: im new to debian coming off of a 6 year slackware binge |
| 19:19.29 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: Heh, welcome. =^_^= |
| 19:19.35 | Mjelva | SimonRaven - is this what i'm looking for? 'Mobile Intel® 910GML Express chipset with integrated graphics'? |
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| 19:19.47 | Asmodee` | im still trying to get used to this whole pacakge management system as slackware doesnt have it.. |
| 19:19.57 | SimonRaven | welcome to the hell's ang^w^w^w debian |
| 19:20.13 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: OK, here's what you're going to do. |
| 19:20.14 | Asmodee` | anyway it looks to me that i have the correct version of proftpd-common installed so i dont understand the dependency error |
| 19:20.16 | SimonRaven | ;p |
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| 19:20.28 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: First off, add "contrib non-free" to the end of this line. |
| 19:20.43 | Asmodee` | then apt-get update |
| 19:20.45 | Asmodee` | ? |
| 19:20.53 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: Not yet. We'll get there in a minute. |
| 19:20.57 | Asmodee` | ok |
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| 19:21.23 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: Second, duplicate that line, but instead of just 'deb', prefix it with 'deb-src'. |
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| 19:21.50 | Asmodee` | done |
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| 19:21.59 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: Third. look in #flood and paste the two lines I'm pasting. |
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| 19:22.17 | Mjelva | ok guys, this is what i find worth of video specs on the laptop from acer.com: "15.0" XGA (1024 x 768) TFT LCD, up to 16.7 million colors", "Mobile Intel® 910GML Express chipset with integrated graphics". does that tell you guys anything about what driver i should choose for xserver? |
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| 19:22.51 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: Now then, do you want pine, or are you interested in mplayer for this machine? |
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| 19:23.08 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: that's just monitor specs. that answers part of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 | xorg |
| 19:23.26 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: lspci will tell you the video device, and driver |
| 19:23.36 | Asmodee` | ke6isf: neither |
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| 19:23.48 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: OK, have you added those lines and saved? |
| 19:23.50 | Asmodee` | yes |
| 19:24.02 | SimonRaven | oh never mind, i'm full of it today |
| 19:24.03 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: Good. Now you can apt-get update and reattempt that install. |
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| 19:24.28 | ke6isf | Mjelva: The monitor specs will tell you what the monitor can handle; you won't need drivers for that unto itself. |
| 19:24.43 | Asmodee` | hmm said the proftpd-common is already the newest version, but on the debian website it has [ security ] listed, which i assume that means there's a security update |
| 19:24.55 | Mjelva | SimonRaven - it says "Display Controller: Intel Corp. Mobile Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 19:24.58 | Asmodee` | the proftpd-mysql is installing now though |
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| 19:25.28 | Mjelva | ke6isf - what you mean? at present i can't run xserver due to wrong monitor settings. it says it can't find a monitor. |
| 19:26.31 | ke6isf | Mjelva: No, I mean that you don't require a driver for the monitor. This just tells you what resolution your monitor can deal with when fed a video signal. |
| 19:26.48 | Mjelva | so what do i need to do for my monitor to work? |
| 19:26.54 | ke6isf | Mjelva: In short, see if there's an intel driver for your xserver. |
| 19:27.05 | Mjelva | from the internets or in the list? |
| 19:27.12 | ke6isf | Mjelva: The list. |
| 19:27.29 | ke6isf | Asmodee`: Make sure you do 'apt-get upgrade'. |
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| 19:28.50 | Mjelva | the list reads: apm, ark, ati, chips, cirrus, cyrix, fbdev, glide, glint, i128, i740, i810, imstt, mga, neomagic, newport, nsc, nv, rendition, s3, s3virge, savage, siliconmotion, sis, tdfx, tga, trident, tseng, vesa, vga, via and vmware" |
| 19:29.05 | Mjelva | which of these is my friend? |
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| 19:29.55 | ke6isf | Mjelva: Not sure. There's no model number in the lspci output you provided. See ifthere's other output, or check the documentation, this will help you. |
| 19:30.01 | jair | how can I access to the ./xchat or those directories that start with "." ? |
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| 19:30.23 | ke6isf | jair: You can cd to them. They're only hidden from immediate view. |
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| 19:30.55 | jair | ke6isf, I am looking to access any of them or see all of them? |
| 19:30.59 | Mjelva | ke6isf - Acer website says it's Mobile Intel 910GML |
| 19:31.16 | jair | ke6isf, for example if I want to go to .my.cnf? |
| 19:31.28 | ke6isf | jair: you 'cd .my.cnf' at a prompt. |
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| 19:31.32 | ke6isf | jair: Easy peasy. |
| 19:31.39 | jair | ke6isf, i will check :) |
| 19:32.15 | ke6isf | Mjelva: Hmm... |
| 19:32.15 | orangey | nkuttler: thank you so much for that link! now my password-less ssh works like a charm! |
| 19:32.34 | initiate | how do i rename a directory with console ? |
| 19:32.40 | ke6isf | orangey: What link did he give you? I've been wanting that. |
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| 19:33.03 | jair | ke6isf, the key "ls -a" thank you ;) |
| 19:33.12 | orangey | ke6isf: thank him too! it's : /msg dpkg ssh keys |
| 19:33.18 | ke6isf | jair: Ah, OK. Wasn't totally clear. =^^= |
| 19:33.31 | Mjelva | ke6isf - what do you think? |
| 19:34.29 | ke6isf | Mjelva: I'm stuck. Sorry. You might ask what driver to use for that model of card. Also, 'vesa' should work fine, though a bit slow, if you need something in a pinch. |
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| 19:35.05 | jim | jair: for other tricks ls can do (actually, for each and every one of them), man ls |
| 19:35.11 | Mjelva | ke6isf - vesa worked. thanks |
| 19:35.20 | nkuttler | orangey: you're welcome |
| 19:35.59 | initiate | can someone help me to rename a directory with console ? |
| 19:36.05 | abrotman | mv |
| 19:36.07 | jim | man mv |
| 19:36.16 | abrotman | jim: liar .. |
| 19:36.17 | jim | and help yourself :) |
| 19:36.20 | aa112 | why cant i use binary on my debian ? cannot execute binary error? |
| 19:36.25 | jim | fiar? |
| 19:36.26 | jair | jim, thank you |
| 19:36.31 | abrotman | fiar! |
| 19:36.34 | abrotman | fiar on the mountain |
| 19:36.38 | jim | biar! |
| 19:37.04 | jim | how ya doin abrotman :) |
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| 19:37.44 | Drakh_ | Hi guys |
| 19:37.45 | abrotman | jim: wedding tired .. i'm beat :) |
| 19:37.46 | nvz | hmm I just found a Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 on ebay with BuyIt Now :) |
| 19:37.53 | abrotman | nvz: buy it! |
| 19:37.53 | Drakh_ | has anyone here setup ntop for gateway monitoring in web mode? |
| 19:37.56 | jim | aa112: what kind of binary is it? (when you get right down to it, EVERYTHING ON YOUR COMPUTER is binary :) |
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| 19:38.04 | abrotman | nvz: though .. you might want to make sure they still do the linux stuff for it |
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| 19:38.12 | Drakh_ | •jim• even ascii files ;p |
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| 19:38.20 | nvz | abrotman: eh? |
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| 19:38.31 | jim | Drakh_: even everything :) |
| 19:38.32 | abrotman | nvz: you wouldn't run linux on it ? |
| 19:38.36 | tuv | Some backup tools i found: backup2l, rdiff-backup, backuppc, sbackup... etc. anybody has any idea which would be best? |
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| 19:38.43 | Drakh_ | hehe |
| 19:38.44 | abrotman | !opie |
| 19:38.44 | dpkg | it has been said that opie is wanted to be maintained by Espy. a PDA enviroment (usually Sharp Zaurus) |
| 19:38.44 | nvz | abrotman: they only run linux they come with linux on them |
| 19:38.54 | abrotman | nvz: it's nto fully open |
| 19:38.55 | tuv | I looked for some and found quite a few such backup tools, but couldn't tell which is best |
| 19:39.10 | tuv | i'm looking for a backup tool that does regular, e.g. daily, incremental remote directory backup |
| 19:39.33 | abrotman | rsync not good enough ? |
| 19:39.33 | L0g0ff | is there somebody who can tell how i can copy some text (like crtl+c) from aterm to my X/Firefox? Its very anoying to type every letter every time |
| 19:39.44 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well I would have to see it and use it to determine. it probably has features I couldnt match if I installed debian. like handwriting recognition ..etc |
| 19:39.55 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 19:39.57 | nkuttler | tuv: i like backuppc. it can backup windows as well |
| 19:39.57 | nvz | abrotman: all I want is a portable device I can program on |
| 19:40.08 | jair | abrotman, I am trying to access to this path: ~/.my.cnf. |
| 19:40.09 | abrotman | nvz: better make sure you can do that before you buy it :) |
| 19:40.14 | aa112 | jim: precompiled from some other linux |
| 19:40.14 | tuv | abortman: is it regular? can it run daily automatically? |
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| 19:40.16 | jim | L0g0ff: see if you can "select" the text you want using the mouse |
| 19:40.20 | abrotman | jair: i don't use mysql |
| 19:40.21 | jair | abrotman, it is a hide config file of the mysql server |
| 19:40.23 | abrotman | jair: i don't use mysql |
| 19:40.27 | abrotman | nor would i ever |
| 19:40.31 | abrotman | not willingly |
| 19:40.44 | jim | aa112: possibly it's in a form not recognized |
| 19:40.45 | L0g0ff | jim, but past don't work |
| 19:40.47 | nkuttler | tuv: do you know about cron? |
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| 19:40.58 | jair | abrotman, ok then what do you use Microsoft Access 2000 professional ? |
| 19:41.03 | jair | abrotman, jahahhaha |
| 19:41.05 | abrotman | postgresql |
| 19:41.07 | abrotman | !mysql |
| 19:41.07 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
| 19:41.07 | jim | L0g0ff: so you're saying you -can- select it tho? |
| 19:41.07 | tuv | nkuttler: i know it exists, never used it though.. |
| 19:41.10 | jair | abrotman, bad joke |
| 19:41.15 | jair | abrotman, hahaha |
| 19:41.15 | abrotman | jair: obviously |
| 19:41.20 | L0g0ff | Jim: yes i can |
| 19:41.23 | jair | abrotman, cool ok |
| 19:41.25 | abrotman | though .. mysql is pretty close to MS Access |
| 19:41.49 | jair | but is ok |
| 19:41.54 | jim | ok, possiblyit has to do with your mouse and how many buttons and if you have emulate3buttons on |
| 19:41.57 | [sr] | abrotman you're crazy or what ? |
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| 19:42.15 | abrotman | [sr]: why? |
| 19:42.18 | jim | if yes, then try the left and right buttons at the same tim |
| 19:42.19 | jim | e |
| 19:42.29 | L0g0ff | i have 2 buttons |
| 19:42.33 | [sr] | ms access doesn't get to the feet of mysql |
| 19:42.38 | [sr] | not even the 3.x version |
| 19:42.43 | L0g0ff | and i have emulate too |
| 19:42.47 | abrotman | mysql is a horrible excuse for a database .. just like MS Access |
| 19:42.52 | jim | ok, try both if them at once (that pretends to be the middle button) |
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| 19:43.05 | L0g0ff | ok ill try |
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| 19:43.22 | khanman | hey id like to add gps to my laptop (dualboot etch and winxp) so that i can use kismet and and streets & trips...can you recommend a vendor? |
| 19:43.27 | [sr] | i think you just dont know mysql and ms access |
| 19:43.33 | L0g0ff | it works within aterm... but not to my firefox |
| 19:43.40 | [sr] | if you knew mysql you wouldn't say that |
| 19:43.41 | nkuttler | !start a database war |
| 19:43.41 | dpkg | postgresql stinks |
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| 19:44.01 | abrotman | [sr]: if you knew about databases .. you wouldn't say mysql was a good database |
| 19:44.14 | jim | one oracle to bring them all and in the darkness bind them |
| 19:44.19 | [sr] | i work with both |
| 19:44.33 | abrotman | with mysql and access? |
| 19:44.50 | [sr] | mysql/ms access and .NET (winforms applications) |
| 19:44.51 | jim | sr: mysql -might- be better than access |
| 19:45.04 | abrotman | [sr]: thank you for proving my point .. you know nothing about databases :) |
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| 19:45.31 | [sr] | abrotman ya... i'm sure i don't :) |
| 19:46.07 | nvz | abrotman: the problem right now is I dont have a means to buy anything and this particular bid has only 21hours or so left |
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| 19:46.24 | abrotman | [sr]: if you think mysql or access are good examples of a database .. then you most certainly don't know much about databases |
| 19:46.31 | jim | [sr]: there is a web toolkit you might look into (yes, here I go into advocacy mode :) called openacs.... if you're interested I can give you some sites that use that toolkit or ones loosely related |
| 19:46.33 | abrotman | nvz: oh .. let me buy that for you |
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| 19:46.37 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 19:46.41 | [sr] | jim didn't sayd that |
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| 19:46.58 | [sr] | he was takling about ms access and mysql |
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| 19:47.15 | jim | yea I know... but you were talking about web toolkits :) |
| 19:47.19 | abrotman | i hope oracle shuts down innobase ... |
| 19:47.30 | jim | it probably will |
| 19:47.55 | nvz | abrotman: I have less than $0.20 to my name, and though my Visa has about $250 available credit. its actually just a 2nd card issued from one my father's accounts. and he's filing bankruptcy so I can't use it anymore. I have to go get my own card now that my credit is built up :P |
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| 19:48.11 | abrotman | nvz: yes .. use your own :) |
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| 19:48.15 | nvz | abrotman: what I need is a friend with a credit card |
| 19:48.18 | jim | [sr]: I can still give you some examples if you're interested |
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| 19:48.40 | jim | who knows... you might be impressed :) |
| 19:48.42 | brosioz | how could i bind apache2 to my eth0 192.168.1.1 device ? |
| 19:48.56 | nvz | abrotman: I probably wont buy this one anyway. but I am going to continue looking on ebay for BuyIt Now products |
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| 19:49.08 | abrotman | nvz: you can do research in the meantime |
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| 19:49.16 | incorrect | is there a way to set the cpu freq fromt eh command line |
| 19:49.27 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 19:49.27 | dpkg | it has been said that cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
| 19:49.27 | nvz | abrotman: this particular bid is on what appears to be a new sealed SL-5500 from an ebay business. seems like they sell them all the time |
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| 19:49.31 | jim | incorrect: no portable ways |
| 19:49.36 | abrotman | nvz: woohoo |
| 19:50.00 | jim | but there might be interfaces in the kernel to do that to processors that can do it |
| 19:50.06 | incorrect | i was just using the cpu thing for gnome |
| 19:50.17 | nvz | abrotman: I will have the cash sometime this week. I just cant get credit that quickly. I've thrown away all the offers I've gotten in the mail for credit cards :P |
| 19:50.17 | abrotman | there are just so many reasons .. to not use mysql .. |
| 19:50.25 | L0g0ff | Jim: Unfortunally it don't work. Do you have another suggestion? |
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| 19:50.31 | kjaer | Does the debian installer use some curses dialog library, to make the menu ? |
| 19:50.36 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:50.42 | halibut | is there a bandwidth limiter program I can use, so that a direct connect client cannot max out my upload bandwidth? |
| 19:50.47 | abrotman | trickle |
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| 19:50.59 | abrotman | oh .. upload .. dunno |
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| 19:51.36 | jim | L0g0ff: no; that's the only way I use myself to do copy/paste |
| 19:51.43 | nvz | yeah trickle only works downstream you would think. I've never seen anything trickle upstream before |
| 19:51.53 | jim | wait, there might be a workaround |
| 19:51.54 | thc | halibut: most clients allow you to do that, what client are you referring to? |
| 19:52.03 | jim | see if you can paste it into another app |
| 19:52.06 | L0g0ff | jim: Hmmz i'll try a forum |
| 19:52.12 | L0g0ff | thanks btw |
| 19:52.13 | jim | like an editor window |
| 19:52.22 | halibut | thc, it is Wulfor reloaded (aka DC++ ported to linux) |
| 19:52.43 | drbeat | hi, how can I setup iptables to share my internet? |
| 19:52.49 | jim | sometimes I will paste things into a shell window |
| 19:52.55 | thc | halibut: i don't know what that is, there should be a way to limit up/down speeds in it's preferences |
| 19:53.04 | L0g0ff | Wtf an other window works !!!! |
| 19:53.11 | L0g0ff | thanks m8 :) |
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| 19:53.25 | jim | drbeat: do you have a gateway that is running linux? |
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| 19:54.07 | jim | drbeat: the short answer is yes, btw |
| 19:54.23 | abrotman | #iptables, netfilter.org , lartc.org |
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| 19:55.01 | jim | as far as how... depends on your ip addresses and setup and whether you have an extra net card in the box with the iptables |
| 19:55.17 | nvz | abrotman: the SL-5500 is Intel StrongARM so it should be able to run any version of linux I would think |
| 19:55.18 | aeronadix | Hey, I was trying to confugre xorg or xfree86 for my thinkpad, and my laptops text mode has shrunk? Whats that about? |
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| 19:55.43 | aeronadix | should I reinstall debian again? |
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| 19:55.52 | elvirolo | hi |
| 19:56.00 | elvirolo | i've set up my printer with cups |
| 19:56.04 | abrotman | nvz: not sure .. debian is the only distro i know of that does an ARM release |
| 19:56.07 | elvirolo | but it won't print jobs |
| 19:56.10 | abrotman | (maybe gentoo too i guess) |
| 19:56.11 | TigerWraith | can someone help me to update the kernel in debian from 2.6.8 to 2.6.13? |
| 19:56.17 | elvirolo | nothings seems to be wrong in the logs |
| 19:56.18 | jim | if you do, decide on an internal ip subnet (using some unroutable address), assign that th the internal ethernet card, hook it up to a hub, hook other machines to the hub, go |
| 19:56.19 | nvz | abrotman: I wouldnt use anything other than debian anyhow :P |
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| 19:56.49 | pumpkin0 | aeronadix: it may be a problem with the LCD-resolution. You know, everything it scaled up and if you play to much ... |
| 19:56.57 | jim | but you're not responding really fast, so I doubt I can help you and still get to the things I have to do quickly |
| 19:57.06 | willvarfar | with apt-get, how can I get it to automatically install all dependencies? or should it do that for me? I seem to have no problems (using kpackage) except now that I am trying to install kdevelop3 (and it refuses to fetch dependencies etc) |
| 19:57.09 | abrotman | nvz: i know you're a closet slack user :) |
| 19:57.16 | ke6isf | I'm getting an issue with postfix in Sarge where, while I can receive mail, I cannot send it back out. Errors from logs are at http://channels.debian.net/paste/914 and this is after a recent reinstall, facilitated now by leaving the installed /etc/postfix alone and copying in my own stuff. /etc/services checks out. What have I done wrong, and how can I fix it? |
| 19:57.20 | abrotman | willvarfar: it does it already |
| 19:57.41 | pumpkin0 | TigerWraight: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.13-YOUR-CPU-TYPE |
| 19:57.42 | abrotman | ke6isf: bts? |
| 19:57.51 | abrotman | pumpkin0: it's not in debian |
| 19:57.53 | willvarfar | abrotman, so it would mean that kdevelop3 is incorrectly packaged? |
| 19:57.58 | abrotman | !tell TigerWraith about kp |
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| 19:58.07 | abrotman | willvarfar: what do you mena ? |
| 19:58.08 | ke6isf | abrotman: For Sarge? There's been no recent updates for postfix. |
| 19:58.29 | abrotman | ke6isf: hrm .. ok |
| 19:58.40 | jim | pumpkin0: so he'd have to build it, and hopefully use make-kpkg to do it |
| 19:59.02 | willvarfar | abrotman, everything is fine except kdevelop3; apt-get doesn't try and fetch dependencies nor anything |
| 19:59.10 | nvz | abrotman: pfft I installed slack once but I never really used it. I burned Debian 2.2r6 (3), Slackware 8 (1), and FreeBSD 4.7 (4), at the time I decided I wanted to use open-source full time and knew I couldnt take Mandrake 8.1 much longer. I knew almost immediatly trying those 3 that debian was for me |
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| 19:59.14 | abrotman | willvarfar: perhaps you have them all installed already ? |
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| 19:59.24 | drbeat | yes I do |
| 19:59.28 | pete_ | which bootup file should 'dhcpcd' be placed in for potato? |
| 19:59.31 | drbeat | this box is the gateway |
| 19:59.38 | abrotman | pete_: for what? |
| 19:59.44 | drbeat | I just need to set the routing rule |
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| 19:59.52 | nvz | abrotman: I never actually used any apps on either Slackware or Freebsd I knew just from the installer I wasnt going to like it |
| 20:00.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:00.18 | jim | drbeat: #networking, #iptables, #netfilter |
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| 20:00.32 | pete_ | to obtain an a local ip from the router |
| 20:00.45 | abrotman | pete_: for what? |
| 20:00.48 | abrotman | for potato ? |
| 20:00.51 | abrotman | !potato |
| 20:00.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
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| 20:01.07 | jim | pete_: usually dhcpd package will start itself and arrange for itself to start on boot |
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| 20:01.27 | nvz | abrotman: the FreeBSD installer did two things that I didnt like. One it has no definate course that reaches an end like D-I so I installed about 15 times before I realized I had to take the cd out and reboot. then it brought me to some primative looking kernel configuration with about 10-12 options with choices that didnt at all resemble the kind of hardware I had... so I didn't like it. |
| 20:01.45 | jim | pete_: that would be true for any debian dist |
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| 20:02.00 | rhalff | Asus A8N-E, good choice for debian or not ? |
| 20:02.03 | ke6isf | Oh, bletch, I gotta install webmin. |
| 20:02.06 | abrotman | nvz: they have manuals for that |
| 20:02.09 | nkuttler | pete_: if in doubt, /usr/share/doc/packagename is always a good place to look |
| 20:02.09 | abrotman | rhalff: 64bit ? |
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| 20:02.14 | pete_ | jim: i've compiled and installed it, just need to know where it usually starts from in boot up |
| 20:02.19 | rhalff | abrotman, yes |
| 20:02.19 | asuffield | rhalff: adequete |
| 20:02.20 | abrotman | for potato ? |
| 20:02.25 | abrotman | !tell rhalff about amd64 |
| 20:02.29 | abrotman | rhalff: they have a pile of docs |
| 20:02.34 | asuffield | you can just install i386 on it |
| 20:02.35 | rhalff | ah allready ordered it :p |
| 20:02.40 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I was beat with the FreeBSD handbook repeatedly in #freebsd |
| 20:02.44 | jim | other than that, look at the files in /etc/init.d, specifically skeleton and README... and man update-rc.d |
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| 20:02.46 | abrotman | rhalff: erm .. ok |
| 20:02.51 | abrotman | rhalff: guess you'll find out :) |
| 20:02.56 | asuffield | rhalff: if it's the model with just an nvidia network chip onboard, and not any 3rd party one, order a new network card as well |
| 20:03.00 | rhalff | but seem to have many windows tools, probably supported by linux 10 years later |
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| 20:03.01 | abrotman | nvz: hehe |
| 20:03.04 | asuffield | rhalff: because forcedeth is shit |
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| 20:03.25 | pete_ | jim and others: ok, i'll take a look, thanks |
| 20:03.41 | asuffield | (and the nvnet chip is utter crap anyway) |
| 20:03.41 | rhalff | hmm ok, nice :D will have many nights of configureing then :p |
| 20:03.44 | nvz | abrotman: I don't want a handbook. if I am going to conigure something like a kernel I expect it to look more like linux's config where there are vast options for ACPI, APIC, SCSI..etc not some generic over-generalized B.S. |
| 20:03.59 | jim | if you got more questions after looking at those, trying stuff and thinking about stuff... feel free |
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| 20:05.05 | rhalff | hmm think I'll be back here many times when the board arrives :p |
| 20:05.16 | asuffield | yup, looks like the A8N-E is just a forcedeth |
| 20:05.29 | asuffield | get a PCI network card to go in it. don't waste time trying to make that thing work |
| 20:05.29 | abrotman | nvz: don't tell them that |
| 20:05.33 | rhalff | forcedeath ? |
| 20:05.38 | asuffield | no, forcedeth |
| 20:05.43 | pumpkin0 | Has anybody here experience with building/installing a USB-Stick (no normal HD, everything in RAM) Debian-Box ? |
| 20:05.44 | rhalff | oh ok.. pvieww :D |
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| 20:05.53 | splinux | plop |
| 20:06.25 | nvz | abrotman: I don't plan on telling them anything I don't like anything about FreeBSD and I will probably never touch it again. |
| 20:06.32 | asuffield | the forcedeth driver does not work worth a damn on the gigabit variants, and all the nvnet chips are worthless junk anyway, just don't use it |
| 20:06.43 | jim | asuffield: assume you were in the market for a new machine but you wanted to build, for moreorless general purpose main-machine home use... what are some of the motherboards you would consider and why? |
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| 20:07.35 | jim | I'm probably not in the market... but I'm curious as to what's hot recently |
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| 20:08.22 | nvz | abrotman: I am just glad someone told me about debian and I tried it. at the time I was burning so many other software distributions of Linux and BSD because I hadn't found what I was looking for yet, and I was expecting it to jump out at me. Debain's site was all plain looking and didnt seem to have as much eye candy or hype.. but I came to realize it was because its not designed for idiots. |
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| 20:09.33 | asuffield | nvz: actually, it looks like that because it was designed by people with better things to do :P |
| 20:09.44 | nvz | abrotman: Debian was exactly what I always wanted from my software. I just never knew what I was looking for until I had found it. And this is why I spent so many years trying to transform windows or make some other software fit into that hole in my life |
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| 20:09.57 | ke6isf | abrotman: Fixed it, it was a delimiter issue in master.cf. =O.o= |
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| 20:10.23 | rhalff | debian could use some better marketing I think |
| 20:10.33 | nvz | asuffield: I'm glad they do. |
| 20:10.34 | jim | perhaps |
| 20:10.40 | nvz | rhalff: bah |
| 20:10.43 | rhalff | just finding a network bootdisk takes 15 pages to browse or something |
| 20:10.56 | thc | wtf does that have to do with marketing. |
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| 20:11.00 | wharf | Hi there. |
| 20:11.01 | thc | nothing. |
| 20:11.32 | nvz | if you smart you know that the netinstall disk is at www.debian.org/CD/netinst |
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| 20:11.43 | wharf | I have no sound on my deBIAN SYStem, could the problem be that the modem is on the same IRQ as my sound card? |
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| 20:11.50 | Eliteforce_ | hi |
| 20:11.54 | nvz | I dont even know where its at and I can guess.. cause debian site was designed by smart people |
| 20:11.57 | wharf | I saw in forums that the modem was the problem with this kinda laptop |
| 20:12.07 | jim | thc: if the marketers (who preumably don't exist) could claim it was easier than that, it would probably pull in more users |
| 20:12.15 | nvz | they dont feel the need to complicate things so far that I cant imagine them without looking |
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| 20:12.21 | thc | jim: exactly |
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| 20:12.52 | jim | so what are you saying? |
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| 20:13.10 | abrotman | nvz: i tried RH .. it failed .. i installed debian ... that was it |
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| 20:13.21 | thc | i'm saying it's pointless to even complain about it, when most people can find it no problem |
| 20:13.26 | Eliteforce_ | is it possible to run irssi over ssh, drop the connection, connect again over ssh and get the irssi "window" on to the console again? |
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| 20:14.01 | bloom | Eliteforce_: use screen |
| 20:14.04 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Eliteforce_ about screen. |
| 20:14.09 | thc | Eliteforce_: if you are using screen, you can re-attach |
| 20:14.30 | thc | you might have to use screen -r -d |
| 20:14.43 | scarynetworkguy | ssh, screen, and irssi are the holy trinity. |
| 20:14.46 | Eliteforce_ | oh ths |
| 20:14.48 | Eliteforce_ | thx |
| 20:15.09 | wharf | How hard is it to chainge the irq on hardware on debian? |
| 20:15.12 | bloom | scarynetworkguy: especially for playing idlerpg |
| 20:15.12 | dakishi | in what folder are the debian's librery installed? |
| 20:15.22 | nvz | abrotman: RH 5.2 I bought for like $15. it failed to install or at least to the point where it sent out a lifesaver for windows refugee to stay afloat. so I bought Mandrake 7.2 for like $24 and stuck with that through MDK 8.1 and once I started learning the in-and-out of a linux system I realized that mandrake was just holding me back, not keeping me afloat. |
| 20:15.59 | abrotman | bah .. why can't crip encode to mp3 ... |
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| 20:16.05 | sebyte | Hi all. Just performed a clean base system install using the debian installer, dist-upgraded to testing and proceeded to try and install x-window-system and it's broken! I'm a bit disappointed really... it breaks configuring xserver-xorg. After asking you which screen resolutions you don't want the xserver to use it breaks with 'expr: non-numeric argument' and dependency death is instant! |
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| 20:16.20 | ke6isf | abrotman: You mean 'grip'? Are you using lame for the encoder? |
| 20:16.25 | abrotman | i mean crip |
| 20:16.27 | abrotman | !info crip |
| 20:16.29 | dpkg | crip: (terminal-based ripper/encoder/tagger tool), section sound, is optional. Version: 3.5-1sarge2 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 20:16.31 | nvz | abrotman: I went on a search scouring the internet for the perfect OS at that point and among those I tried Debian, Slack, Freebsd... Debian was the perfect OS afaiwc |
| 20:16.47 | abrotman | sebyte: did you pick a resolution ? |
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| 20:17.00 | abrotman | nvz: have you tried symphonyOS ? |
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| 20:17.07 | nvz | abrotman: nope |
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| 20:17.25 | aeronadix | debian shrunk my text mode screen. And I just reinstalled, and it didn't make a difference |
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| 20:17.32 | ke6isf | abrotman: From 'apt-cache show crip' (sarge): "Current versions of crip only support Ogg Vorbis and FLAC." |
| 20:17.42 | aeronadix | thats messed up |
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| 20:17.59 | abrotman | ke6isf: yes .. i see that now |
| 20:18.01 | aeronadix | how did it do that? |
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| 20:18.23 | ke6isf | abrotman: Sounds wonderful until you try to play that .ogg on an MP3 CD player. |
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| 20:18.50 | sebyte | abrotman: I chose '14' which means 'none of the above' i.e., use highest res. possible |
| 20:19.00 | abrotman | sebyte: how did you try to configure X ? |
| 20:19.14 | nvz | abrotman: my OS history went from Apple DOS/Prodos > Dos 3.3 - Dos 6.2 and Win 3.1/WFW 3.11 > Win95 > Win98 > Win2k Pro > Mandrake > Debian. Inbetween I tried many other things but never really "used" them for any significant period of time. |
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| 20:19.35 | sebyte | abrotman: I just ran 'apt-get install x-window-system' |
| 20:19.43 | bloom | nvz: SymphonyOS is a linux distro |
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| 20:19.48 | abrotman | sebyte: and it didn't finish ? |
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| 20:19.54 | nvz | bloom: who cares :P |
| 20:20.00 | nvz | bloom: its not debian :) |
| 20:20.03 | abrotman | nvz: it's based on debian .. simple interface |
| 20:20.06 | bloom | nvz: and it looks pretty cool as far as the interface goes |
| 20:20.12 | bloom | http://www.symphonyos.com/screenshots/a4preview.png |
| 20:20.29 | nvz | I don't need a cool looking interface I've learned better |
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| 20:20.44 | abrotman | nvz: not for you ... |
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| 20:20.52 | abrotman | nvz: it's a liveCD .. you could give to friends and enemies |
| 20:20.59 | sebyte | abrotman: nope. without xserver-org it could not configure x-window-system-core and without xwindow-system-core it could not configure x-windo-system. deadlock :-( |
| 20:21.08 | nvz | that is pretty cool looking I guess |
| 20:21.13 | bloom | I really don't need it either..., but it might be interesting to see whether people can handle it better than other desktops |
| 20:21.19 | abrotman | sebyte: apt-get -f install |
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| 20:21.36 | sebyte | abrotman: are you sure? |
| 20:21.41 | nvz | has a NeXTStep look and feel to it |
| 20:21.56 | abrotman | sebyte: it will tell you if it's going to freak out |
| 20:21.56 | nvz | with a touch of XP's Explorer |
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| 20:22.04 | nvz | a hint of it if you will |
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| 20:23.47 | nvz | abrotman: I have a friend that may be interested but I've been advising against it. |
| 20:24.15 | abrotman | against linux ? |
| 20:24.19 | nvz | yep |
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| 20:24.27 | abrotman | is he dumb ? |
| 20:24.55 | Rubin | so, i'm getting brute force login attempts every night on ssh; is there a tool to block hosts that attempt more than a dozen times ? |
| 20:24.57 | nvz | she, and not dumb.. but its not an easy transformation |
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| 20:25.14 | Rubin | i found daemonshield, but i was hoping for somithing .deb |
| 20:25.26 | abrotman | iptables |
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| 20:25.50 | Rubin | yeah, but to automate it |
| 20:25.58 | Rubin | its diff hosts |
| 20:26.12 | nvz | abrotman: when I met her she had an old Mac and I got her the first PC and been servicing it for her ever since. they now since I was in Tx got a new Dell (slim Piece of shit looking thing) and one of those all-in-wonder printer dodads |
| 20:26.14 | abrotman | google .. i've seen a few |
| 20:26.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:26.31 | abrotman | nvz: dell sucks |
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| 20:27.55 | nvz | abrotman: she's a good learner. Its been a pleasure to work for someone who can remember things you tell them. but I've spent all these years teaching her windows tricks and she's accustomed to windows. to change he to linux, forcing to use new applications and a kernel that doesnt support her hardware (i.e. the priter/scanner/copier) would not make either of our lives or our relationship any easier |
| 20:28.18 | cahoot | Rubin: this is one way: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 20:28.34 | r3gii | is it a good idea to change port in sshd server? |
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| 20:29.10 | abrotman | WHAT! |
| 20:29.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:29.20 | Rubin | cahoot: hmm that looks promiscing, thanks |
| 20:29.34 | abrotman | nvz: it's just a dell .. they always work</sarcasm> |
| 20:29.41 | nvz | abrotman: Its become my understanding to deploy linux as a desktop solution in the home or office you have to deploy more than just software. |
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| 20:30.24 | nvz | abrotman: in order for it to work the clueless should consult with their linux person on every aspect of the computing experience from what hardware to buy..etc |
| 20:30.35 | sebyte | abrotman: 'apt-get -f install x-window-system' breaks in exactly the same place :-( |
| 20:30.59 | abrotman | sebyte: what's the error again ? |
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| 20:31.23 | aeronadix | I have a tripple boot system, hda1-windows, hda2-debian, hda3-suse. Debian screwed up the text mode by shrinking it by 50% somehow. No I am booted into suse, and I want to format hda2 and reinstall grub? |
| 20:31.50 | sebyte | abrotman: 'expr: non-numeric argument' configuring xserver-xorg |
| 20:32.02 | nvz | abrotman: microsoft got the market cornered face it. in order to turn it around the only way to make it work is if the people understand the linux state of mind. software is free, service is the product |
| 20:32.03 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.44 | elfredo | lesshaste lspci -v? |
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| 20:33.19 | nvz | I cant make someone who has hardware and habbits that arent supported switch. I can't advise it or allow it either. Its counter-productive. for this reason I still support thier damn Windows |
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| 20:33.55 | abrotman | sebyte: what if you pick a resolution? |
| 20:34.01 | meff | hmm |
| 20:34.13 | abrotman | nvz: you mean .. since microsoft charges for both? |
| 20:34.16 | lesshaste | elfredo: not recognised |
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| 20:34.38 | EmleyMoor | I have just installed the snd-intel8x0m driver for my modem, but I get "NO DIALTONE" when I try to use it - is there a better channel than this to ask on? |
| 20:34.38 | sebyte | abrotman: First time I left it blank and the same thing happened, but I'll try... |
| 20:34.41 | nvz | abrotman: since they got people in that mindset, and the bent over position, yes. |
| 20:34.57 | lesshaste | elfredo: it may well have been added to some list after my kernel you see |
| 20:35.05 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:35.08 | nvz | abrotman: people have to undersand they are clueless they cannot just go out and buy pcs, printers..etc |
| 20:35.22 | Gnea | heh |
| 20:35.29 | nvz | abrotman: they cannot go out and buy office software.. they need to call their consultant to provide the service of doing this for them |
| 20:35.42 | abrotman | nvz: or companies should be nice |
| 20:35.44 | einsteinmg | are there any other methodes for not screwing up the bootprozess in debian than to link invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d against true??! |
| 20:35.44 | nvz | abrotman: the software will then be provided for free |
| 20:35.55 | Gnea | nvz: but in order to get past that cluelessness, they have to go out and buy pcs, printers..etc, in order to learn how not to be clueless |
| 20:35.57 | elfredo | lesshaste ? if it is pci and working lspci should list it |
| 20:36.13 | elfredo | dmesg knows nothing either? |
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| 20:36.21 | lesshaste | elfredo: 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5a3f |
| 20:36.29 | nvz | Gnea: well then they end up with a bunck of MS crap that I dont want to have anything to do with. which is usually the case. |
| 20:36.36 | aeronadix | although debian was working much better than suse, in debian, I pressed function+f3 and the screen went blank, then when I went to restart the screen was 50% the size. This is happenned to me before with debian and when I select a different kernel, like woody instead of potato or something, it would get fixed, is there another way to fix it quick? |
| 20:36.43 | elfredo | lesshaste i would venture the guess it is your graphics card |
| 20:37.13 | nvz | If this friend of mine didnt have an All-in-one printer and dozens of other things I know wouldnt fit into linux I would have switched them long ago, and they would be a lot happier with thier pc today |
| 20:37.33 | lesshaste | elfredo: no I think that is 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 20:37.43 | nvz | the problem is while I was away they made a decision to buy a new PC (hardware) on their own. |
| 20:38.00 | elfredo | lesshaste is that card pci-express? |
| 20:38.02 | Gnea | nvz: it's all about marketing |
| 20:38.13 | nvz | which was a bad move. its like diving into a hungy pool of sharks when they do that |
| 20:38.17 | lesshaste | electrofreak: the graphics is integrated on the mobo |
| 20:38.27 | lesshaste | elfredo: that was for you :) |
| 20:38.37 | lesshaste | elfredo: there is a pci express slot too I believe |
| 20:39.08 | elfredo | lesshaste maybe it is some kind of bridging device, i am not an expert an pci-express |
| 20:39.10 | aeronadix | maybe If I could remove the debian linux partition, along with the grub, and reinstall it grub using suse, then reinstall debian. This time around being careful not to hit FN+anything, untill I figure out how to configure them. Can anyone help me with that? |
| 20:39.33 | elfredo | lesshaste i guess in one or two kernel updates this will be recognized |
| 20:39.36 | lesshaste | elfredo: ok.. I am totally igorant .. thx though |
| 20:39.37 | Gnea | nvz: that's why you don't want to ever walk away without knowing that they've got something firmly in place - if you walk away and say "i'm going to do this and set that up for you" and they say "okay", then they're going to turn around and go buy that new computer behind your back. i've seen it happen and had it happen to me countless times. |
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| 20:39.42 | sebyte | abrotman: it worked :-) Still, I've found a bug that's probably worth a bug report... What do you think? |
| 20:39.52 | aeronadix | how to use fdisk to format a partition |
| 20:40.28 | Gnea | aeronadix: use it |
| 20:40.36 | abrotman | sebyte: absolutely |
| 20:40.47 | aeronadix | Gnea, ok, I figured it out |
| 20:41.01 | EmleyMoor | What's the ATX command that gives the most functionality but blind-dials? |
| 20:41.05 | Gnea | aeronadix: fdisk isn't difficult to figure out: you press 'm' and *read* |
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| 20:41.16 | aeronadix | I deleted the partition, but now, the grub was installed by the debian on that partition, |
| 20:41.35 | aeronadix | Gnea, I got it now, I couldn't figure it out, but it was easy |
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| 20:41.56 | Gnea | aeronadix: here, read this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
| 20:41.59 | aeronadix | Gnea, the think was I started it using fdisk /dev/hda2, so I couldn't delete /dev/hda2 |
| 20:42.08 | Gnea | heh |
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| 20:42.43 | aeronadix | Gnea, so how do I reinstall grub which is on the MBR from the OS that was on /dev/hda2 which is deleted now |
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| 20:43.24 | Gnea | aeronadix: first of all, apt-get install grub-docs pinfo |
| 20:43.28 | Gnea | aeronadix: then pinfo grub |
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| 20:43.45 | Gnea | aeronadix: there is a very straight-forward method that tells you exactly how to do that there. |
| 20:44.04 | aeronadix | Gnea, I don't want to know all the details of it, I just want to run it and have it detect the os on /dev/hda1 & /dev/hda3 |
| 20:44.25 | Gnea | aeronadix: you installed it, you got yourself into this mess, you don't have a choice: now you have to learn the details. |
| 20:44.31 | aeronadix | I wish I had apt-get, I am stuck with suse for now, until I get this darn shrunken text mode fixed |
| 20:44.44 | Gnea | suse... bleh |
| 20:44.47 | Gnea | worst distro ever |
| 20:45.08 | meff | that'd be fedora, Gnea |
| 20:45.09 | meff | ;) |
| 20:45.25 | Gnea | meff: no way, fedora's a step above suse, believe it or not ;) |
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| 20:45.40 | abrotman | FFS .. why won't xmms stop using that stupid god damned skin |
| 20:45.45 | aeronadix | Gnea, I hate it too, it was the default when I got my laptop. Thats what I have been doing for days, installing debian, and all was well, but then somehow my text mode got shrunk, which drove me up the wall, and thats why I deleted debian and am gonna try to reinstall again |
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| 20:46.13 | meff | aeronadix: be less vague.. 'text mode shrunk' ? |
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| 20:46.36 | meff | aeronadix: it may be your lcd on your laptop doesnt 'fake' non-native resolutions, so the low-res desktop gets 'shrunk' |
| 20:46.42 | graffit | hi I have a problem with maildrop writing in mbox format in a maildir structure, how can I fix that ? |
| 20:46.46 | thingfish | I'm with meff, linux can't get much worse than fedora. |
| 20:46.48 | nvz | abrotman: xmms-kjofol |
| 20:46.50 | aeronadix | meff, the text mode of my computer now occupies only 50% of the screen, it has shrunken 50% to the middle of the screen |
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| 20:47.02 | meff | aeronadix: yes, read what i just said. |
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| 20:47.18 | Gnea | !tell aeronadix about grub |
| 20:47.19 | lord_rob | Hi ! My computer freezes when I try to shut it down. It displays "Shutting down ALSA" (seems to be done) and it stays forever in this stage. I have to power it down manually. Any idea what the problem could be ? |
| 20:47.22 | abrotman | nvz: ? |
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| 20:47.28 | Gnea | aeronadix: check that second url |
| 20:47.36 | meff | lord_rob: probably alsa ;) |
| 20:47.37 | aeronadix | I have had this problem before with linux debian, but I thought it was a hardware issue at first, then I realized it was debian |
| 20:47.47 | abrotman | nvz: no .. i want no skin .. i like the black interface |
| 20:47.55 | meff | aeronadix: if suse uses a high-res console, then no, its a hardware problem. |
| 20:48.03 | ke6isf | lord_rob: Your alsa process isn't dying, ergo shutdown can't continue. Find out why. |
| 20:48.09 | Gnea | aeronadix: the problem is neither: it's you. but you can get past that if you really want to |
| 20:48.12 | lord_rob | meff: coud be but I don't think so, rather something AFTER alsa |
| 20:48.25 | Gnea | since grub works just fine on the multitude of debian machines i've installed |
| 20:48.30 | nvz | abrotman: its a plugin that gives you a remote that replaces (controls) the main window which has better skins like that of modern Winamp. XMMS skins really dont change anything. kjofol has more shaply skins |
| 20:48.31 | aeronadix | Gnea, how do I fix the console then so it is full size like always |
| 20:48.34 | gpm | hi all. i'm trying to configure my own kernel...i just fetched the latest stable from kernel.org (2.6.13.4) and configured it, but now when i boot into it, my keyboard doesn't work. it works fine with the older kernel (2.6.8) and i did enable AT keyboard stuff in the kernel...any clues? it's just a normal keyboard that connects to a serial port. |
| 20:48.38 | MrSarge | does anyone have a webservice where I can upload and test my php and mysql? |
| 20:48.46 | ke6isf | !wayc gpm |
| 20:48.47 | dpkg | gpm: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 20:48.55 | abrotman | nvz: no .. i don't want any skin! |
| 20:48.56 | Gnea | aeronadix: i don't fully understand your question about the console... full size? there's a normal size? |
| 20:49.09 | aeronadix | I remember, on an older laptop, when I used woody no prob, then i tried some testing version, bf2.4, and it shrunk, so I had to go back to woody |
| 20:49.09 | Gnea | aeronadix: it all depends on what video hardware you're using with it |
| 20:49.11 | meff | MrSarge: once again, i will say, thats an idiotic question.. why would any of us run your scripts on our box? |
| 20:49.14 | nvz | abrotman: you have to have a skin or else you have no interface at all |
| 20:49.16 | gpm | ke6isf: um...it's the kernel. sometimes even us apt-getters recompile it. but thanks anyway. |
| 20:49.16 | thc | abrotman: why not just remove all the skins then? |
| 20:49.16 | ke6isf | lord_rob: Look in rc0.d then, what shuts down after alsa? |
| 20:49.23 | nvz | abrotman: its called the Default skin IIRC |
| 20:49.30 | ke6isf | gpm: Right. |
| 20:49.40 | aeronadix | Gnea, use the whole screen, like when you press ctrl+alt+fx |
| 20:49.47 | gpm | ke6isf: so...you just screwed up? |
| 20:49.51 | nvz | abrotman: you might as well install cplay if you dont like skins |
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| 20:49.57 | aeronadix | Gnea, or when the system starts and the messages are coming on the screen |
| 20:49.57 | nvz | abrotman: save the system resources |
| 20:50.01 | Gnea | aeronadix: it's not using the whole screen? could you be anymore vague? |
| 20:50.02 | ke6isf | gpm: Sort of. I think I need more coffee. =^_^= |
| 20:50.08 | gpm | ke6isf: ok. lol |
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| 20:50.15 | abrotman | nvz: i like xmms .. the skin it keeps choosing is unusable |
| 20:50.21 | lord_rob | ke6isf: proftpd, tried /etc/init.d/proftpd restart and success |
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| 20:51.06 | ke6isf | lord_rob: I saw that problem in Mandrake once, but it was actually Alsa that was holding up the works. Thus the suggestion. Glad this works. =^^= |
| 20:51.10 | aeronadix | Gnea, what do you mean, the screen shows a shrunken version. The is a thick border around the entire screen. It is not using all the screen, just a half size screen in the middle of the screen |
| 20:51.26 | Gnea | aeronadix: ah ok, that's all you had to say |
| 20:51.28 | abrotman | nvz: and you still didn't answer my question :) |
| 20:51.41 | meff | MrSarge: stop with the insults, and if you have something to say say it here. |
| 20:51.42 | Gnea | aeronadix: hmmm, is that a flat panel lcd monitor? |
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| 20:51.47 | MrSarge | how do I turn Global Variables to ON using Sarge mysql? |
| 20:51.55 | aeronadix | yep, |
| 20:51.59 | Gnea | heh |
| 20:52.04 | aeronadix | Gnea, its a laptop |
| 20:52.09 | Gnea | ooh |
| 20:52.11 | Gnea | which laptop? |
| 20:52.14 | aeronadix | thinkpad |
| 20:52.15 | nvz | abrotman: I wasn't aware you asked me a question |
| 20:52.17 | MrSarge | meff: hey stop with the constant abuse, and leave me alone! take your false accusations elsewhere |
| 20:52.23 | Drakh_ | ntop is so freakin cool |
| 20:52.24 | Gnea | there over over 200 thinkpad models |
| 20:52.28 | Gnea | get specific |
| 20:52.30 | Gnea | or stop |
| 20:52.33 | abrotman | nvz: i think |
| 20:52.37 | Drakh_ | sorry |
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| 20:52.42 | Drakh_ | ntop 3.0 is so freakin cool |
| 20:52.44 | Drakh_ | :P :P |
| 20:52.45 | aeronadix | Gnea, I think it R |
| 20:52.48 | meff | MrSarge: hahaha.. dude, i simply said, NOBODY in here is gonna run your scripts on their personal system.. THINK a little. |
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| 20:53.16 | Gnea | aeronadix: no, it says the model # right on the front - usually at the top of the keyboard, just at the bottom of the screen where the 2 meet to open and close the whole thing |
| 20:53.30 | MrSarge | does anyone know how can I turn Global Variables to ON using Sarge mysql? |
| 20:53.32 | aeronadix | R51, type 1829 |
| 20:53.39 | Gnea | aeronadix: or it's on the bottom |
| 20:53.47 | aeronadix | R51, type 1829 |
| 20:53.57 | ke6isf | MrSarge: Check google for free hosting sites for what you need. Also, don't repeat. |
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| 20:54.16 | aeronadix | I am renting it |
| 20:54.37 | aeronadix | from school, they install suse, which is shit, but still a bit better than what I know how to install |
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| 20:55.09 | axIE | how do I move IE bookmarks over to firefox? |
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| 20:55.11 | aeronadix | Like, when I installed debian, I couldn't get the middle mouse button working |
| 20:55.11 | Gnea | aeronadix: i found exactly what you need: http://www.dw-itsecurity.de/content/view/33/83/ |
| 20:55.17 | lord_rob | isn't there a log for shutdown like there's one for startup ? |
| 20:55.30 | aeronadix | Gnea, thanks, whats that? |
| 20:55.33 | Gnea | aeronadix: read that. |
| 20:55.40 | Gnea | aeronadix: wtf, just go read it |
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| 20:55.54 | aeronadix | Gnea, ok,haha |
| 20:56.02 | Gnea | aeronadix: it's everything you need to know about installing debian on your laptop |
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| 20:56.25 | Gnea | aeronadix: btw, i found that at http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ibm.html |
| 20:56.54 | aeronadix | Gnea, thanks |
| 20:56.58 | Gnea | np |
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| 20:57.19 | to | hi |
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| 20:57.39 | to | is there a tool to trace package's tree with their dependances? |
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| 20:58.00 | to | a sort of `tree` but for packages.. |
| 20:58.04 | caphuso | to: apt-rdepends |
| 20:58.15 | jim | to: ibm graphviz and apt-cache dotty |
| 20:58.17 | to | caphuso: oki, thx ;) |
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| 20:58.31 | to | jim: too ;) |
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| 20:58.39 | nvz | if I had an ebay account and a credit card, I'd but this right now :P |
| 20:58.46 | nvz | but I don't |
| 20:59.00 | jim | you'd but but you don't??? |
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| 20:59.16 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:59.44 | isosteles | hi isotop |
| 20:59.47 | nvz | thats pretty funny when you think about it that way |
| 20:59.56 | nvz | that was a typo you know |
| 21:00.01 | isoTop` | can i install debian as a chroot in gentoo? |
| 21:00.06 | jim | well yes :) |
| 21:00.16 | isoTop` | without downloading the cd's? |
| 21:00.24 | jim | isoTop`: if you can get debootstrap going, sure |
| 21:00.29 | deadcat | isoTop`: yes |
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| 21:00.52 | nvz | I could find a friend with a credit card easier than I could find one with a credit card and an ebay account :P |
| 21:00.55 | lord_rob | aeronadix: I have a R52 and have installed kanotix on it. It's very much like debian but much easier to install |
| 21:01.08 | nvz | good friends are hard to find :P |
| 21:01.18 | isoTop` | deadcat, where can i find the files, i looked in debian.org |
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| 21:01.26 | ralf | hi |
| 21:01.28 | aeronadix | lord_rob, Did you get the middle mouse button working? |
| 21:01.28 | deadcat | isoTop`: debootstrap |
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| 21:01.31 | ralf | what is this: http://ralf.pastebin.com/395787 |
| 21:01.34 | jim | isoTop`: you generally don't need to download CDs -- unless you have a slow (modem-like) connection, but then, you should buy the cds |
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| 21:01.42 | nvz | ralf: its a url to a pastebin. |
| 21:01.53 | meff | deadcat: thx again for your conkyrc, i modded it a bit and its working great :) |
| 21:01.57 | ralf | nvz: stop kidding |
| 21:01.58 | lord_rob | aeronadix: you mean on the touchpad ? |
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| 21:02.07 | deadcat | i hate bestbuy. |
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| 21:02.12 | nvz | ralf: I am serious |
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| 21:02.16 | deadcat | fucking geeksquad my ass. |
| 21:02.24 | Gnea | heh |
| 21:02.27 | aeronadix | lord_rob, mine has a touchpad and a mouse in the middle of the keyboard, yours? |
| 21:02.29 | Gnea | deadcat: what happened? |
| 21:02.31 | isoTop` | jim, the files are in the cd? i cant get them alone? |
| 21:02.40 | deadcat | Gnea: commecials (=. more like moronsquad to me |
| 21:02.52 | Gnea | deadcat: i got a pic of one of their cars the other day :) |
| 21:02.55 | pedro420 | NVZ: Man r u interested in the job ? |
| 21:03.01 | aeronadix | lord_rob, is your touchpad configured for two finger click = middle mouse button? |
| 21:03.05 | jim | sure you can... but I think debootstrap will automatically download what you need to get started |
| 21:03.06 | deadcat | Gnea: haha. did you key it? |
| 21:03.07 | nvz | ralf: the contents of which shows a CPU (0) encountering an Exception 13, General Protection. |
| 21:03.09 | lord_rob | aeronadix: yes also, but I use an external mouse |
| 21:03.12 | Gnea | deadcat: ROFL no |
| 21:03.30 | ralf | nvz: yeah, kswapd does no longer exist |
| 21:03.35 | jim | isoTop`: out of curiousity, why do a chroot instead of an install/ |
| 21:03.35 | Gnea | deadcat: but, commercials aside, what about their level of service? |
| 21:03.36 | nvz | ralf: means an 80x86 protection rule has been violated while operating in protected mode |
| 21:03.36 | jim | ? |
| 21:03.43 | lord_rob | aeronadix: can't tell you for sure but I think the middle mouse button also works with the touchpad |
| 21:03.43 | cheal | yay, I just wrote a C program that does what I wanted from scratch. it can calculate Fibonacci-like sequences! |
| 21:03.45 | aeronadix | lord_rob, what about the funtion keys like FN+F7 or F5 or F4 or F3? |
| 21:03.46 | Gnea | deadcat: see, i don't even own a tv |
| 21:03.48 | nvz | pedro420: what job? |
| 21:03.49 | ralf | i have an amd64 |
| 21:03.57 | deadcat | Gnea: hehe. damn. not even tvcard? |
| 21:03.59 | isoTop` | jim, im just want to see how debian handles with vhcs |
| 21:04.09 | lord_rob | aeronadix: hmmm I dunno |
| 21:04.11 | pedro420 | NVZ: DJ for the halloween party at cissys ? |
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| 21:04.28 | Gnea | deadcat: actually yeah, i've got one of those. i just haven't hooked the coax up to it. i did finally install a coax splitter for my modem tho ;) |
| 21:04.30 | nvz | pedro420: oh, I've been meaning to ask you guys if you were down for the party this year |
| 21:04.34 | isoTop` | jim, i use gentoo for daily use, and im pretty used to it, and the chroot is just to have fun with it :) |
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| 21:04.36 | nvz | pedro420: what day? |
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| 21:04.38 | deadcat | Gnea: no clue. chances are i will never need their services. not besing an asshole but i doubt they can do linux. they can click with a mouse pretty well though i bet. |
| 21:04.51 | pedro420 | NVZ: OCT 28 friday at 8 |
| 21:05.14 | jim | isoTop`: cool :) good a reason as any |
| 21:05.14 | deadcat | Gnea: those fancy tv card that do more than just simple channels are cool. HD or something |
| 21:05.18 | Gnea | deadcat: geeksquad is still a relatively new service. anything past actual hardware and windows installations and yeah, they're pretty much a niche market service |
| 21:05.23 | nvz | pedro420: hmm I would probably have to call off work |
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| 21:05.38 | Gnea | deadcat: mine's a bit old, but it can still detect chans |
| 21:05.47 | pedro420 | NVZ: Need u to get some poeple to come. Like steve, james. I told nick to ask will but if u see him u can ask him |
| 21:06.04 | nvz | pedro420: that won't be a problem at all. |
| 21:06.08 | pedro420 | NVZ: What time u work til ? We not startin til 8 or 9 |
| 21:06.13 | nvz | pedro420: getting people to come anyhow |
| 21:06.23 | nvz | pedro420: I work 11:30pm-8am that day |
| 21:06.26 | wharf | Can anyone help me with a hardware problem on linus please, I have a modem and sound card using the same IRQ, I need to change the IRQ's some how. |
| 21:06.27 | deadcat | Gnea: ya. i have those generic tv cards as well. well. what i want to do is let people knw instead of calling geeksquad. i am willing to fix their comp for free. just so i can fuck them up hehe |
| 21:06.41 | ralf | nvz: it was a segfault? |
| 21:06.46 | nvz | pedro420: would be next friday |
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| 21:06.49 | pedro420 | NVZ:casey got some youngins 4 ya comin from safrans |
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| 21:06.56 | nvz | pedro420: heh |
| 21:07.09 | Gnea | deadcat: that's no good. you should charge them anyway and do the job right - you'd get more customers that way |
| 21:07.10 | isoTop` | what is the name and version of the stable debian these days? |
| 21:07.12 | deadcat | "hardware problem on linus" sounds nasty |
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| 21:07.15 | ixion | you know in spamasassin, the DCC filter, does anyone know what the debian package is called? |
| 21:07.19 | jim | where is this party? down the pensinula? |
| 21:07.19 | pedro420 | NVZ: Where u work now ? |
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| 21:07.35 | ixion | dcc-common ? |
| 21:07.36 | nvz | pedro420: Advanced Alloy |
| 21:07.41 | Gnea | deadcat: if you do it for free, they'll figure it out pretty quickly |
| 21:07.42 | Skrotto | Hi. How do I know where my java classpath is? |
| 21:07.54 | jim | isoTop`: sarge (Debian-3.1) |
| 21:08.02 | beardy | hmm |
| 21:08.06 | deadcat | Skrotto: env |grep PATH |
| 21:08.09 | pedro420 | NVZ: Would u raterh work or get loaded ? |
| 21:08.15 | Gnea | deadcat: i used to be cheap too like that - but i actually charged, but it wasn't something i did fulltime at the time, so i didn't feel that my level of service was up to that par |
| 21:08.32 | Skrotto | deadcat: I've just got LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH. |
| 21:08.40 | deadcat | Gnea: true. |
| 21:08.52 | deadcat | Skrotto: use find then |
| 21:09.04 | jim | isoTop`: but for that matter you can have multiple chroots as you know |
| 21:09.08 | nvz | ralf: a segfault is not a CPU exception. but in this case the CPU's internal Exception 13 (General Protection Fault) caused the kernel to throw a Signal 11, SIGSEGV, yes. |
| 21:09.21 | nvz | ralf: the SIGSEGV was a result of the execption |
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| 21:09.36 | jim | sarge, potato, woody, etch, sid... whichever you want |
| 21:09.39 | ralf | now how can I restart kswap? |
| 21:09.40 | beardy | What have happened this weekend? I've been away. Only 466 here, and some new channelmodes? |
| 21:09.58 | beardy | Things always happen when I'm away.. |
| 21:09.59 | isoTop` | jim, yes i know that, im just trying the stable one because i could use it for a server and i want to play with it |
| 21:10.01 | deadcat | beardy: they migrated to #ubuntu |
| 21:10.07 | jim | someone compromised a freenode staffer's machine |
| 21:10.09 | pedro420 | NVZ: Man just let us know if you are gonna come or work ? So wes can find another DJ |
| 21:10.12 | beardy | deadcat: heh.. |
| 21:10.13 | cheal | beardy: freenode had a problem with chanserv |
| 21:10.19 | nvz | ralf: kernel would have sent that signal to whatever process it was acting on behalf of when the exception was raised |
| 21:10.38 | jim | isoTop`: good enuf... it's been out around 3 months or so |
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| 21:10.53 | nvz | pedro420: I am down I will just have to let them know I am not fuckin comming next friday :P |
| 21:10.54 | Gnea | deadcat: plus if you fuck them that makes linux geeks look bad and doesn't get us anywhere good |
| 21:10.58 | ixion | ok, how about, how do I restart spamassassin, /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart does work |
| 21:11.03 | cheal | beardy: everyone left the room, so it didn't yet reach the connections timeout/joins equilibrium |
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| 21:11.11 | deadcat | Gnea: hahahaha |
| 21:11.18 | nvz | pedro420: I could DJ and goto work if I wanted.. but I dont want to goto work drunk half way through the party :P |
| 21:11.34 | Gnea | deadcat: there are plenty of m$ geeks out there who do that sort of work that do it fast and get them up and running again just fine |
| 21:11.42 | pedro420 | NVZ: Do you have enough music or would u need my harddrive ? |
| 21:11.49 | jim | so anyway... what are the good motherboards these days |
| 21:11.53 | deadcat | Gnea: true |
| 21:12.15 | jim | asus still on top? |
| 21:12.18 | nvz | pedro420: I am sure I can pull stuff together. Casey has cds, and so does Ciss if all else fails |
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| 21:12.24 | beardy | cheal: Oh, ok. CHANNEL! ;) |
| 21:12.29 | ixion | can anyone hear me? |
| 21:12.31 | jim | ROOM! |
| 21:12.33 | wharf | Anyone here fancy helping me with my sound problem? |
| 21:12.33 | ixion | see me |
| 21:12.35 | ixion | whatever |
| 21:12.43 | beardy | ixion: Yes. |
| 21:12.46 | ixion | k, ta |
| 21:12.48 | jim | ixion: no! I'm blind! (jk) |
| 21:12.50 | Gnea | deadcat: and the ones that are starting to learn and embrace linux are gonna be the ones that will be kicking your ass in the field if you don't shape up :) |
| 21:13.04 | ixion | just that I been in here few times over weekend and noone answering me |
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| 21:13.19 | pedro420 | NVZ: Just to burst your bubble we need some hip hop just satisfy the youngins |
| 21:13.26 | Gnea | ixion: it happens, you just have to be patient |
| 21:13.29 | beardy | ixion: You have to ask a question that can be answered. |
| 21:13.41 | Gnea | !tell ixion about ask |
| 21:13.47 | pedro420 | NVZ: THey are 20 and 21 but they are young to us |
| 21:14.01 | jim | ixion: because you're essentially taking a poll, and there are too many people here for that, so it's not liked |
| 21:14.04 | lunaphyte | why would something like 'grep -ir sql /var/log/*' dump me into aptitude and bork my terminal? |
| 21:14.07 | deadcat | Gnea: hahahah.. then i better get my ms windows book out and start reading (= |
| 21:14.10 | nvz | pedro420: heh. I'll get Jay the underground rapper, to come up and do a live acapella like last time |
| 21:14.13 | ixion | a poll? |
| 21:14.19 | jim | yep |
| 21:14.29 | ixion | I asked how to restart spamassassin? hows that a poll? |
| 21:14.36 | pedro420 | NVZ: stop over if u get a free moment |
| 21:14.40 | Gnea | deadcat: that, and/or rethink how you go about conducting your localized computer repair :) |
| 21:14.49 | pedro420 | NVZ: thatnks but no thanks |
| 21:14.49 | deadcat | heheh |
| 21:14.55 | nvz | pedro420: I'm not doing anything really |
| 21:15.02 | jim | you're doing this: "of all you 450 people here, which one of you will answer me when I say 'can you hear me'" |
| 21:15.09 | jim | that's a poll |
| 21:15.27 | Gnea | deadcat: you laugh, but that's what i did: rethought it all, then applied it, and it's worked out quite well |
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| 21:15.45 | ixion | I dont know enough about IRC to know if there was a problem and people couldnt see what I was typing |
| 21:15.47 | nvz | pedro420: just doing online window-shopping I cant buy anything cause my dad is filing bankruptcy and I need to go get my own credit account now. My visa is on his account |
| 21:15.48 | beardy | ixion: Does is run as a deamon? '/etc/init.d/spamasassin restart' most likely if yes. |
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| 21:15.55 | iamsthitha | hey! |
| 21:16.02 | iamsthitha | I'm thinking of installing debian |
| 21:16.13 | iamsthitha | should I do it? |
| 21:16.15 | ixion | beardy, tried that, no luck.. or at least no output to lead me into beleiving it worked |
| 21:16.20 | ixion | iamsthitha, yes |
| 21:16.22 | beardy | iamsthitha: Do you have a better than dialup internet connection? |
| 21:16.27 | iamsthitha | cable |
| 21:16.29 | Gnea | iamsthitha: of course |
| 21:16.31 | beardy | !tell iamsthitha -about why debian |
| 21:16.32 | jim | you also see why doing that isn't liked here... (450 people that potentially could answer you at the same time and causing bandwidth usage on the order of 450^2) |
| 21:16.33 | pedro420 | NVZ: stop over in a little we are eatin now and my mom is here eventually we will be burnin one |
| 21:16.34 | iamsthitha | but my hd has only 1 gig |
| 21:16.34 | ixion | then you have no excuse |
| 21:16.42 | deadcat | ixion: no output = 0, which is success |
| 21:16.55 | Gnea | iamsthitha: it can still be done - but it depends what you want to do with it |
| 21:16.59 | nvz | pedro420: so you didn't like Jay's acapella performance of "Hood Cock" last time :P |
| 21:17.01 | ixion | deadcat, hope so anyway :) |
| 21:17.11 | thc | 1 gig hard disks = leet! |
| 21:17.14 | deadcat | echo $? |
| 21:17.19 | iamsthitha | Gnea, I just want firefox... wine.. xfce4... |
| 21:17.20 | Gnea | lol |
| 21:17.35 | nvz | pedro420: less guys that show up the better afaic anyhow |
| 21:17.38 | pedro420 | NVZ: You can invite him but we don't need a floor show |
| 21:17.39 | iamsthitha | thc, please dont ever say that again.. |
| 21:17.45 | Gnea | iamsthitha: what's the rest of the system like? pentium 100? |
| 21:17.52 | iamsthitha | 333 mHz |
| 21:17.52 | nvz | pedro420: I havent seen him in months |
| 21:17.55 | thc | pedro420: why do you feel the need to capitalize 'nvz' ? |
| 21:17.56 | iamsthitha | p2 or something |
| 21:18.01 | Gnea | oh ouch |
| 21:18.12 | pedro420 | nvz: i dunno |
| 21:18.15 | iamsthitha | :\ |
| 21:18.20 | thc | ehm. |
| 21:18.26 | iamsthitha | I'm currently running damnsmalllinux which is based off debian |
| 21:18.30 | iamsthitha | runs fine |
| 21:18.31 | nvz | thc: does that annoy you? |
| 21:18.35 | ixion | not sure why you would want wine on a 333 mhz system |
| 21:18.36 | Gnea | yeah dsl is cool |
| 21:18.43 | Gnea | but is limited |
| 21:18.44 | beardy | iamsthitha: You can do lot's of things with a box like that. How much ram? |
| 21:18.44 | thc | nvz: not at all, just wondering why |
| 21:18.46 | iamsthitha | but it borks up most of the apt |
| 21:18.46 | pedro420 | nvz: what the hell is afaic ? |
| 21:18.48 | thc | oh sorry, NVZ |
| 21:18.49 | nvz | thc: annoys me |
| 21:18.54 | thc | hehe |
| 21:18.57 | iamsthitha | beardy, 64 probably |
| 21:19.00 | nvz | thc: I just wasnt going to complain about it |
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| 21:19.18 | thc | nvz: i'll complain for you, every time that happens |
| 21:19.18 | nvz | pedro420: as far as I'm concerned |
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| 21:19.55 | pedro420 | nvz : We aren't tryin to get a whole lot a folk just some |
| 21:19.57 | nvz | pedro420: in other words if there are 3 or 4 drunk women for me and not enough guys thats ok with me |
| 21:19.58 | mugur | anyone managed to install evolution from experimental? |
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| 21:20.06 | jim | !anyone |
| 21:20.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:20.11 | iamsthitha | so you think I can install debian without any problems? |
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| 21:20.20 | mugur | it's there for more than a month, but it still misses some dependencies |
| 21:20.21 | iamsthitha | or rather without too many problems |
| 21:20.29 | mugur | more exactly libgal-common |
| 21:20.30 | ixion | does anyone have any good spamassassin install/config docs favorites about, the docs on the spamassassin site seem a little weak for newbs |
| 21:20.33 | Gnea | iamsthitha: well you can give it a try, just be frugal in your package installation - for instance, there's a point where it asks you what sort of setup the system is going be or what type of packages to install, it'd be easier to just select none of them and continue on, installing what you need via apt-get later |
| 21:20.37 | mugur | am I missing something... |
| 21:20.46 | pedro420 | nvz: we got some twins comin |
| 21:20.55 | pedro420 | nvz: they are all yours |
| 21:20.57 | nvz | pedro420: twins are always good I suppose. |
| 21:20.57 | jim | thereyago :) much better; now you're actually saying something :) |
| 21:21.06 | Gnea | iamsthitha: well problems are gonna happen one way or another, i wouldn't hold out hope for wine tho |
| 21:21.12 | wharf | Anyone fancy helping me? |
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| 21:21.18 | pedro420 | nvz: they are italian |
| 21:21.22 | ixion | wharf, just ask bro |
| 21:21.26 | nvz | pedro420: can't invite steve I guess |
| 21:21.28 | iamsthitha | Gnea, why? what's up with wine? |
| 21:21.29 | jim | where are the fancy people? |
| 21:21.30 | wharf | Can anyone help me with a hardware problem on linus please, I have a modem and sound card using the same IRQ, I need to change the IRQ's some how. |
| 21:21.39 | wharf | I have asked that like 3 times. hehe |
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| 21:21.42 | Gnea | iamsthitha: well what would you run with it? |
| 21:21.44 | nvz | pedro420: homie got a habbit of stealing women :P |
| 21:21.47 | thc | linus? |
| 21:21.47 | pedro420 | nvz: why not wantin to share the twins ? |
| 21:21.48 | beardy | iamsthitha: Yes. With 64MB RAM you should be fine, but if you want to run X, and do a lot of things at the same time, the more ram you can get, the better. But the install should go fine. /msg dpkg d-i for the link to the netinstaller. |
| 21:21.53 | deadcat | wharf: isnt that a bios problem? |
| 21:21.59 | iamsthitha | Gnea, oh I know what I'm gonna run on it is gonna work |
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| 21:22.05 | nvz | pedro420: two heads are better than one |
| 21:22.08 | aeronadix | Ok I got that fixed! |
| 21:22.09 | iamsthitha | Gnea, I have it running now.. works fine |
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| 21:22.11 | deadcat | thc: his hardware in linus.. (= |
| 21:22.12 | wharf | Well, theres no option in my bios for setting IRQ'S |
| 21:22.21 | ixion | wharf, change the PCI slot.. and fiddle around in BIOS |
| 21:22.23 | thc | ehm. |
| 21:22.26 | wharf | It's a laptop |
| 21:22.27 | ixion | pci/isa whatever |
| 21:22.29 | ixion | ah lol |
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| 21:22.32 | aeronadix | whereis Gnea |
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| 21:22.44 | iamsthitha | right here |
| 21:22.47 | thc | aeronadix: in the userlist ? |
| 21:22.49 | beardy | or there |
| 21:22.49 | pedro420 | nvz: got a hungarian chick comin too but she is married, but she 28. Can let steve have her !\ |
| 21:22.51 | Gnea | iamsthitha: ok - well you're looking at under 200megs just for a base install - whenever you install packages, it's gonna eat up space - at some points, you may want to apt-get clean to free up some space cuz it saves the downloaded packages |
| 21:23.04 | iamsthitha | Gnea, cool |
| 21:23.04 | wharf | I did see somthing in forums about this laptop and sound problems |
| 21:23.06 | spr1n | has anyone vmware installed on debian here? |
| 21:23.09 | wharf | They solved it |
| 21:23.13 | iamsthitha | downloading netinstall.... |
| 21:23.15 | wharf | But i lost that forum link |
| 21:23.18 | abrotman | nvz: take the girls from across the street! |
| 21:23.18 | nvz | pedro420: yeah steve that's his specialty.. taking other peoples women |
| 21:23.20 | beardy | spr1n: /msg dpkg anyone |
| 21:23.21 | Gnea | :) |
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| 21:23.24 | nvz | abrotman: too young |
| 21:23.29 | abrotman | why? |
| 21:23.33 | aeronadix | Gnea, I removed debian entirely, it didn't fix it, then I replaced grub, it didn't fix it, then I went into the bios, and fixed it there, so looks like while in debian, when I pressed FN+F3 it changed a bios setting on me |
| 21:23.35 | wharf | It was quite technical as well |
| 21:23.47 | mugur | spr1n: i have vmware |
| 21:23.52 | iamsthitha | does debian come with lilo or grub? |
| 21:23.55 | nvz | abrotman: they are too young for our kind of halloween festivities. they need to be out trick-or-treating or something |
| 21:23.57 | thc | iamsthitha: both |
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| 21:23.58 | pedro420 | well she might bring her husband and his bandmates |
| 21:24.02 | jim | !tell spr1n -about anyone |
| 21:24.02 | iamsthitha | cool |
| 21:24.05 | Gnea | iamsthitha: both, but defaults to grub these days |
| 21:24.09 | aeronadix | Gnea, do you remember the text mode sreen shrinkage problem were chatting about |
| 21:24.10 | iamsthitha | lilo! |
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| 21:24.16 | Gnea | aeronadix: weird, what does fn+f3 do? |
| 21:24.22 | thc | iamsthitha: to install LILO, you need to do an expert install, regular install won't show you the option |
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| 21:24.38 | iamsthitha | woo.. I'm a gonna be an expert |
| 21:24.41 | nvz | pedro420: do I need to bring a rig? will got several guitars and a small drumset :) |
| 21:24.54 | jim | lilo is old tho, you might consider grub |
| 21:25.02 | iamsthitha | fine |
| 21:25.04 | wharf | I'll have another brows on google |
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| 21:25.11 | pedro420 | well he owns his own studio |
| 21:25.11 | wharf | for that forum |
| 21:25.12 | iamsthitha | I'll expert in grub |
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| 21:25.26 | jim | well look into them first before deciding :P |
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| 21:25.29 | aeronadix | Gnea, it should just turn off the scree. Funny think is that FN+F7 which is for dual screen mode, turns off the screen and it doesn start again, that when I am using xfree86, with xorg, the same problem only happens with FN+F3 |
| 21:25.29 | spr1n | i just cannot run vmware, but it installed perfectly |
| 21:25.31 | Gnea | that's the spirit |
| 21:25.33 | emacsen | When you say your resolution, eg 1025x768, what is the vertical and what's the horizontal? |
| 21:25.36 | jim | don't just take my word, find out about it :) |
| 21:25.37 | pedro420 | nvz:well he owns his own studio he makes money at it |
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| 21:25.52 | ixion | emacsen, I think you are talking about refresh rate? |
| 21:26.02 | Gnea | aeronadix: is there not a bios option to use both screens at once? |
| 21:26.04 | pedro420 | nvz: he signs bands |
| 21:26.05 | emacsen | ixion: no |
| 21:26.05 | nvz | pedro420: screw it. my stuff is portable and I work for beer and puntang |
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| 21:26.14 | ixion | emacsen, anyway, the larger mumber is obviously the horizontal... look at the shape of your monitor |
| 21:26.19 | cheal | emacsen: 1024 is horizontal |
| 21:26.26 | emacsen | cheal: thanks |
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| 21:26.31 | Gnea | jim: i blame the riaa |
| 21:26.33 | pedro420 | nvz: and to sweeten the deal casey will buy you a bag |
| 21:26.33 | aeronadix | Gnea, yeah that would be the best way eh, cause then I would need to configure or ever use the FN key |
| 21:26.36 | deadcat | people should gpl their music |
| 21:26.45 | iamsthitha | 0o |
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| 21:26.48 | beardy | iamsthitha: Debian comes with lilo and grub, and other bootloaders as well. |
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| 21:26.50 | nvz | pedro420: whatever pulls her bandwagon :P |
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| 21:27.01 | iamsthitha | well so far I'm using lilo and its fine |
| 21:27.03 | aeronadix | people should gpl roast chicken and steak |
| 21:27.05 | iamsthitha | but I'll try out grub |
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| 21:27.09 | ixion | bloatloader |
| 21:27.14 | nvz | pedro420: I gave my stereo to Cara, so hopefully that old tube radio still works |
| 21:27.17 | pedro420 | well if your gonna miss work it should be owrth it |
| 21:27.25 | pedro420 | worth* |
| 21:27.26 | Gnea | aeronadix: rofl |
| 21:27.31 | nvz | pedro420: I like the way she thinks :) |
| 21:27.35 | jim | deadcat: maybe, but it's too much work to just give it away |
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| 21:27.42 | beardy | ixion: Your responisble for your own box, if it's bloated, you are bloated. |
| 21:27.46 | deadcat | jim: hehe. |
| 21:27.53 | beardy | You're |
| 21:27.54 | spr1n | what could be the reason of that vmware wount run after installation? |
| 21:27.55 | aeronadix | Gnea, I ate freaking cheap as weaners today, and tuna with no mayonaise |
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| 21:28.04 | adrakoa | hi, i have a problem in gnome with the key alt and alt gr, i probe to chando xorg.conf, but anything. In console all right... |
| 21:28.04 | teddy-radius | hi all |
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| 21:28.11 | Gnea | aeronadix: better than starving |
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| 21:28.21 | ixion | I was just wonder, if grub loads windows, is it called a bloatloader |
| 21:28.24 | ixion | ing* |
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| 21:28.33 | Skrotto | does anyone know if there's a package for mysql-connector-java for debian? I couldn't find anything with apt-cache :) |
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| 21:28.37 | aeronadix | my teeth are falling out and I can't get them fixed |
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| 21:28.40 | jim | dpkg: are you a bloatbot/ |
| 21:28.48 | teddy-radius | do you knox if they are an option with apt for remove packages whose aren't necessary) |
| 21:28.49 | beardy | blootbot |
| 21:28.51 | Gnea | aeronadix: stop doing the crystal meth then ;) |
| 21:28.53 | beardy | !what are you |
| 21:28.53 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:28.55 | aeronadix | do smoke cigs guys, makes your teeth rot |
| 21:28.57 | jim | bloatbot! |
| 21:29.03 | ixion | rofl |
| 21:29.13 | pedro420 | nvz: well its teh truth |
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| 21:29.14 | ixion | !what are you |
| 21:29.14 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 21:29.19 | wharf | aeronadix, #dentist |
| 21:29.20 | pedro420 | the* |
| 21:29.38 | wharf | :) |
| 21:29.49 | teddy-radius | blootbot |
| 21:29.57 | nvz | pedro420: I'll get hold of steve and have him help me get the rest of the music. He knows more what those youngins would listen to |
| 21:30.08 | teddy-radius | !do you knox if they are an option with apt for remove packages whose aren't necessary |
| 21:30.12 | ixion | does anyone care to tell me how spamassassin learns what is spam? |
| 21:30.17 | hackeron | hey, is there anyway to kill a network connection to a host without killing the application that opened it? |
| 21:30.25 | beardy | teddy-radius: Don't abuse it please. |
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| 21:30.37 | iamsthitha | why not? |
| 21:30.38 | mitti | I just updated to testing and I'm having trouble getting X11 configured for my mouse.. It's a microsoft USB mouse that's just kind of worked in X for the past 3 or 4 years and I never actually looked into how exactly it was working.. What Protocol should a USB mouse be using?? |
| 21:30.41 | teddy-radius | yep |
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| 21:30.55 | jim | ixion: there is always google... give it a shot before asking questions for which there is a SHITLOAD of information on already |
| 21:31.08 | beardy | iamsthitha: why not what? |
| 21:31.14 | iamsthitha | why not abuse the bot? |
| 21:31.33 | jim | iamsthitha: because you'll wear out your welcome if you do |
| 21:31.41 | beardy | iamsthitha: Because I said so, and if it is not obvious to you why not, please leave. |
| 21:31.41 | iamsthitha | :\ |
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| 21:32.39 | beardy | !away |
| 21:32.39 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. |
| 21:32.42 | jim | you can occasionally play around with it a -little- bit, but remember we're WORKING here. |
| 21:32.47 | beardy | !tell isosteles|away -about away |
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| 21:33.14 | iamsthitha | !tell beardy about joking |
| 21:33.35 | jim | beardy: nick change isn't an away message |
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| 21:33.54 | beardy | jim: If it includes |away, it is. |
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| 21:34.09 | LightVision | Someone tried to get me join #0,0 and it disconnected me and it seemed someone was havcking me or something! any know what channel #0,0 is? |
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| 21:34.28 | jim | no, it's a nick change, and it may be none of your business. because he may be on other channels |
| 21:34.33 | thc | it's channel full of havckers! |
| 21:34.46 | ixion | dpkg, where are you? |
| 21:34.46 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
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| 21:34.54 | aChangeofPace | my resolv.conf file keeps getting overwritten |
| 21:34.56 | ixion | -117 ? |
| 21:34.57 | aChangeofPace | how can i stop it |
| 21:34.58 | thc | wtf? |
| 21:35.01 | thc | that's near my house |
| 21:35.12 | ixion | south of the equator is - ? |
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| 21:35.17 | beardy | jim: It's a matter of opinion then, and ours differ in this case. So we'll leave it at that. |
| 21:35.21 | thc | ixion: no |
| 21:35.23 | jim | aChangeofPace: dhcp client is involved; look at how it works |
| 21:35.32 | ixion | what is it then |
| 21:35.35 | kl | dpkg, who are you ? |
| 21:35.35 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 21:35.36 | ixion | err where |
| 21:35.37 | Gnea | aChangeofPace: use pump |
| 21:35.46 | thc | ixion: i'm in southern cali and i am -117 |
| 21:35.52 | mitti | Can anyone help me setup my USB mouse in X11 on Testing? |
| 21:35.56 | ixion | hmm wonder what the - means |
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| 21:36.08 | thc | ixion: Google it! |
| 21:36.09 | Gnea | !tell mitti about ask |
| 21:36.13 | kl | mith, rtfm |
| 21:36.15 | ixion | dpkg, are you in california? |
| 21:36.16 | LightVision | how can I please turn global_variables ON in PHP? |
| 21:36.21 | ixion | not telling |
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| 21:36.51 | kl | LightVision, php.ini |
| 21:36.54 | ixion | !google what does a negative longitude means |
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| 21:37.01 | dpkg | Google says what does a negative longitude means is at http://www.phschool.com/math/awsm/geometry/geo01ans.html or http://perigee.net/kepmodel.html or http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Slatlong.htm or http://genetics.forestry.ubc.ca/cfgc/res_climate-models/ClimateBC_v2_instructions.pdf or http://www.trinp.org/MNI/BoF/3/1/6.HTM |
| 21:37.07 | beardy | LightVision: In it's config file probably. Perhaps in /etc/php? Isn't that a bad thing to do? |
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| 21:37.35 | kl | beardy, your are crazy, /etc pfee |
| 21:37.42 | mitti | what should a USB mouse show up as in 2.6.12? it's not located at /dev/input/mice |
| 21:37.52 | beardy | kl: Am I? |
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| 21:38.00 | mitti | would is be usbhid in a lsmod? |
| 21:38.30 | kl | beardy, soory i'm french and speak bad |
| 21:38.38 | beardy | Crazy is to name a file .ini and not .conf |
| 21:38.45 | jim | beardy: originally the annoyance factor was generated by clients that would tell the channel about the awayness, but that wasn't originally enough; some clients would announce awayness every so often, or people would switch their aways back and forth several times in the same screenful... this has -nothing- to do with that, he changed his nick exactly once and went on his way. not annoying. |
| 21:38.48 | ixion | if you're french you are bad |
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| 21:39.18 | kl | ixion, Arnold gouverneur arf !!! |
| 21:39.22 | thingfish | don't say that; the french are lovely people. |
| 21:39.36 | thc | freedom fried! |
| 21:39.40 | thc | s/fried/fries/ |
| 21:39.54 | ixion | freedom kiss |
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| 21:40.01 | ixion | its just stupid aint it |
| 21:40.02 | beardy | kl: It doesn't matter where you're from, but calling me crazy, was a bit unecessary, wasn't it? |
| 21:40.13 | LightVision | how do I load phpmyadmin? |
| 21:40.19 | jim | ixion: don't be annoying... #politics is not here |
| 21:40.29 | ixion | to the french, crazy is not a bad word really.. |
| 21:40.47 | ixion | its a sign of effection |
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| 21:40.50 | ixion | jim, k |
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| 21:41.05 | jim | thanks |
| 21:41.11 | kl | yes ixion thanks |
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| 21:41.47 | nvz | ixion: "I distinguish between maniacs and crazy people. A maniac will beat 9 people to death with a steel dildo. A crazy person will beat 9 people to death with a steel dildo, but he'll be wearing a bugs bunny suit at the time" -- George Carlin |
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| 21:42.08 | beardy | jim: Well, yes. But if someone changes his nick back and forth, I'd say that's annoying too. (I know he hasn't done that, but there are people that do, somenick|eating, somenick|showering, somenick|away, somenick|here) |
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| 21:42.29 | ixion | somenick|crazy |
| 21:42.35 | jim | beardy: agreed. but that's true no matter what the nick contains :) |
| 21:43.03 | Gnea | beardy: there are bots that do that too |
| 21:43.10 | beardy | jim: Yeah. |
| 21:43.17 | jim | but if the rate is low enough, it's hardly worth commenting on, like once per 8 hours or whatever |
| 21:43.36 | beardy | Gnea: Yes. I haven't said bots are better than people ;) |
| 21:43.49 | iamsthitha | they should be! |
| 21:43.59 | ixion | yeah dpkg is a good example of a bad bot |
| 21:44.02 | nvz | its like using actions in a way. actions really don't serve any purpos but letting people know what we are doing. nick changes of that sort are the same thing. |
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| 21:44.11 | Gnea | beardy: and i didn't imply that either ;) |
| 21:44.15 | ixion | or a bad example of a good bot |
| 21:44.20 | kl | beardy, It was right a joke, to put Ca configuration in/etc not but of or its fate? |
| 21:44.26 | mtnman | what is more annoying, someone changing their /nick or a 1/2 hour discussion about it? |
| 21:44.31 | ixion | lol |
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| 21:44.37 | nvz | mtnman: heh |
| 21:44.37 | Gnea | !beer mtnman |
| 21:44.37 | beardy | Allright, I wont care then, let's all change our nicks instead of actions.. |
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| 21:44.49 | LightVision | my website wont load my database properly without global_variables on. How can I turn this on, or convert my database or access it so I can read it? |
| 21:44.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 21:44.58 | nvz | oops I meant to |
| 21:44.58 | peterS | /nick nvz|farting |
| 21:45.06 | nvz | peterS: yeah thats what I meant to do |
| 21:45.13 | nvz | peterS: messed it up |
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| 21:45.14 | jim | mtnman: it had to be said... he jumped all over the guy |
| 21:45.17 | Gnea | LightVision: that's a php.ini variable |
| 21:45.25 | mtnman | jim: i don't disagree |
| 21:45.36 | ixion | heh, I thought you meant to fart but something else happened |
| 21:45.46 | peterS | too. much. information. |
| 21:45.52 | jim | someone beat you to it :P |
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| 21:46.01 | nvz | ixion: heh |
| 21:46.08 | LightVision | Gnea: do I need to create a php.ini file? |
| 21:46.22 | ixion | LightVision, if you have php installed, you should have one already |
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| 21:46.38 | LightVision | ixion: where is the php.ini stored? |
| 21:46.40 | Gnea | LightVision: it isn't already in /etc/php/ ? |
| 21:46.44 | ixion | try looking in your apache directory |
| 21:46.52 | ixion | if its not there ^ |
| 21:47.00 | Gnea | LightVision: all configuration goes in /etc |
| 21:47.14 | beardy | Wasn't that crazy, I didn't get that one.. |
| 21:47.22 | ixion | my php.ini is in /etc/apache2 |
| 21:47.24 | LightVision | Gnea: i found it |
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| 21:47.39 | Gnea | LightVision: should just be a simple reload after the edit |
| 21:47.49 | LightVision | Gnea: what do I need to type on php.ini for it to set "gobal_variables = on" ? |
| 21:47.54 | peterS | ixion: libapache2-mod-php4 doesn't use /etc/php4/apache2/ or similar? I wonder why not |
| 21:48.07 | Gnea | beardy: when you flush a toilet, which way does the water swirl? ;) |
| 21:48.20 | LightVision | ixion: what do I need to type in php.ini for it to set gobal_variables on ? |
| 21:48.21 | ixion | downwards |
| 21:48.21 | jim | around! |
| 21:48.22 | peterS | LightVision: look for the word 'global' in php.ini. it is in there, I promise |
| 21:48.24 | iamsthitha | Gnea, upward |
| 21:48.28 | LightVision | peterS: ok |
| 21:48.28 | ixion | LightVision, what editor are you using? |
| 21:48.30 | Gnea | LightVision: a text editor |
| 21:48.33 | Gnea | iamsthitha: rofl |
| 21:48.35 | LightVision | ixion: kwrite |
| 21:48.49 | beardy | Gnea: Depends on which side of earth you are flushing it at, doesn't it? ;) |
| 21:48.49 | ixion | hmm gui.. I would guess there is a search function |
| 21:48.58 | iamsthitha | ok everybody.. I'm off to screw up my computer.. later |
| 21:49.00 | Gnea | beardy: you're asking me? :) |
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| 21:49.08 | LightVision | peterS: i found register_globals = Off . do I change this to = On ? |
| 21:49.11 | jim | good luck with that :) |
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| 21:49.16 | Gnea | iamsthitha: good luck |
| 21:49.23 | iamsthitha | thanks |
| 21:49.26 | peterS | LightVision: I have no idea. depends on what you want. read the description in the comment just above it |
| 21:50.09 | beardy | Gnea: Sort of, hafl a retorical question, I think it depends on the magnetic poles, north or south, whichway it swirls, but it may be only a myth.. nevermind :) |
| 21:50.11 | peterS | LightVision: I guess it is the setting Gnea and you are talking about, but I don't really know your situation so I won't say more |
| 21:50.41 | LightVision | ok |
| 21:51.01 | poh | I have my gpm repeater set raw, but when I sudo cat /dev/gpmdata, the console shows no output. should I set a bug report for this? |
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| 21:51.22 | Gnea | beardy: one of us should take a video of a toilet flushing, then travel to the other side of the planet, and take a video of a toilet flushing there, and then turn them into animated gifs and have them shown at the same time on one webpage :) |
| 21:51.22 | peterS | beardy: yeah, it's a myth. it actually depends on the exact shape of your bowl and how it is balanced. earth rotation makes such a tiny difference that it is dwarfed by the tiny manufacturing imperfections of the hardware |
| 21:51.31 | jim | it's probably the direction the earth turns plus the attractive force of other bodies such as the moon |
| 21:51.54 | peterS | poh: no, that's not a bug |
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| 21:52.13 | poh | peterS: how do I get it to repeat? |
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| 21:52.22 | jim | poh: first find out why it's not repeating |
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| 21:52.27 | LightVision | peterS: Wooohooooo :) Im so happy :) it works :) I can now access ALL my Database materials and read them all! Once again, you have helped me deeply! I been working on this for 24 hours :) |
| 21:52.30 | beardy | peterS: Ok, yeah, I suspected it was a myth. But we could still all do what Gnea said, shoot a video of our toilets and put on a page ;) |
| 21:52.34 | jim | then tell it to stop doing that :) |
| 21:52.37 | peterS | poh: for one thing, it will only repeat when you are in X, as opposed to console mode. repeating in console mode would be bad |
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| 21:53.17 | chealer | it's not a myth. it's in the Simpsons |
| 21:53.20 | jim | I don't understand... why/how would it care what else you're running? |
| 21:53.25 | peterS | poh: for another, raw mode is not recommended. the reasons are a bit technical so if you want them I can give them but otherwise you can just take my word for it. we recommend repeat_type=ms3 and then using Option "Protocol" "Intellimouse" in XF86Config-4 |
| 21:53.33 | LightVision | peterS: I have been trying to figure this out for 24 hours and nobody even ONCE told me in any of the php and mysql channels that all I needed to do was change global variables to ON in php.ini. Thank you :) |
| 21:53.44 | beardy | "Toiletbowls of The World" could be the title of the site. |
| 21:53.59 | mlewis00 | Can I install Sarge with just the first CD instead of the Netinstall CD? i.e. there are 14 CDs...I don't want to burn more than 1 :) |
| 21:54.10 | beardy | mlewis00: Yes, you can. |
| 21:54.10 | to | why a pipe doen't work with a such command: apt-cache dotty <package> | dotty |
| 21:54.11 | peterS | LightVision: ahh - some software requires that setting, some does not. requiring that setting is, in general, bad, so really the software you're using should be fixed |
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| 21:54.30 | poh | peterS: I have a synaptics touch pad and want the synaptics driver. Don't I need raw to use that? |
| 21:54.30 | jim | mlewis00: you don't have to burn any... but direct answer: yes, you can install from the first cd |
| 21:54.37 | peterS | mlewis00: should work fine |
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| 21:54.42 | christor | Hey I have a problem with an apt-get dist-upgrade , thye udev packet don t want to install |
| 21:54.55 | mlewis00 | beardy: Thanks, I thought so... |
| 21:55.00 | LightVision | peterS: yes I know, its a website written for me 4 years ago! But i just needed to access it to read the database materials, so I can save it all as html. |
| 21:55.04 | jim | poh: no, the repeat type is what gpm SENDS, not what it receives |
| 21:55.11 | peterS | poh: that's a tough one - there is no real *good* way to do this. raw mode might work but we hate to recommend it. |
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| 21:55.30 | peterS | poh: are you using kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? |
| 21:55.31 | mlewis00 | jim: I don't have a floppy :( |
| 21:55.38 | poh | peterS: 2.6 |
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| 21:56.01 | poh | jim: and I want gpm to send the raw data to X, so that X can use the right driver |
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| 21:56.22 | mlewis00 | peterS: Thanks... |
| 21:56.25 | peterS | poh: best thing, then, would be to use evdev directly from X. however I don't know if the X driver can deal with touchpad data via evdev, I haven't tried it |
| 21:56.29 | jim | poh: X has to listen in order for that to happen |
| 21:56.40 | peterS | poh: by evdev I mean loading the 'evdev' kernel module, and pointing X to /dev/input/event0 or whatever |
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| 21:56.46 | LightVision | peterS: I turned off the global variables for now. but if they are turned on in the php.ini , can someone then hack me? |
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| 21:57.23 | jim | poh: do you want your touchpad to work in console mode? |
| 21:57.25 | peterS | LightVision: register_globals=on is needed by some php programs, but it invites sloppy coding that can lead to security problems. whether you will *have* security problems or not depends on the quality of your scripts |
| 21:57.33 | peterS | jim: I know what he's talking about and he's being reasonable |
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| 21:57.56 | peterS | begone, iooItQJo |
| 21:58.00 | LightVision | peterS: ok, but because its on, doesnt mean someone can hack me now when im running Debian? |
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| 21:58.26 | peterS | LightVision: no, it means that *if* you are running scripts that someone didn't think very carefully about while writing them, you can get hacked |
| 21:58.33 | beardy | LightVision: As he said, it depends on the scripts you run. |
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| 21:58.45 | peterS | LightVision: whether the scripts you have are well written or not is something we have no idea. if we knew, we would have fixed the scripts by now |
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| 21:59.05 | jim | LightVision: only way to absolutely prevent your conputer from being hacked while it's in your house is to move it out of your house |
| 21:59.10 | poh | peterS: ok, I'll look into evdev more and bug you later if I don't get it figured out |
| 21:59.11 | LightVision | i removed apache2 from my system, but when Debian shuts down. it says some apach2 files still on system! How can I totally remove and clean apache2 of my system? |
| 21:59.12 | peterS | LightVision: in other words, register_globals=on makes some classes of security holes easier to produce by accident. it doesn't *cause* them directly. |
| 21:59.14 | LightVision | beardy: ok |
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| 21:59.24 | poh | peterS: thanks for the help |
| 21:59.31 | LightVision | jim: hehe ;) |
| 21:59.40 | peterS | poh: no problem. I have a vested interest in defending the reputation of gpm, which I am somewhat responsible for (: |
| 21:59.44 | jim | well ok, you could also turn it off and lock it in your closet |
| 21:59.46 | LightVision | peterS: ah ok, i understand. thanks for explaining |
| 22:00.04 | peterS | TeiqoRFeu: go away |
| 22:00.17 | beardy | jim: It can be hacked in his house if he does that. |
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| 22:00.21 | LightVision | peterS: Im using apache, and I removed apache2 from my system, but when Debian shuts down. it says some apach2 files still on system! How can I totally remove and clean apache2 of my system? |
| 22:00.28 | beardy | jim: And cracked too. |
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| 22:01.07 | peterS | LightVision: depends on which apache2 package you had installed. I'll assume apache2-mpm-prefork because that's the most common. so dpkg --purge apache2-mpm-prefork |
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| 22:01.37 | LightVision | peterS: thanks, and that wont effect apache? |
| 22:01.48 | peterS | LightVision: correct. they're completely separate |
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| 22:01.56 | LightVision | peterS: thanks :) |
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| 22:02.30 | LightVision | peterS: it said, error processing apache2-mpm-prefork (--purge): dependency problems - not removing. any ideas? |
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| 22:03.03 | peterS | LightVision: you said you had removed it from your system already. this indicates that you didn't |
| 22:03.21 | peterS | LightVision: do you still have either 'apache2' or 'libapache2-mod-php4' on your system as well? |
| 22:03.23 | LightVision | peterS: its removed, believe me! |
| 22:03.45 | LightVision | peterS: for when I typed 'apt-get remove --purge apache2" it says its not installed |
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| 22:04.03 | peterS | LightVision: try apt-get remove --purge libapache2-mod-php4 then |
| 22:04.16 | matadon | Any Fetchmail users in here? Does fetchmail throw a bunch of msg.* files in your home directory? |
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| 22:05.27 | LightVision | peterS: once again, your advice worked as a charm :) all fixed now |
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| 22:05.35 | LightVision | peterS: that feels more clean and beter now |
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| 22:06.01 | peterS | LightVision: so you did the --purge on both libapache2-mod-php4 and apache2-mpm-prefork? |
| 22:06.11 | Elly | how does one actually install TCL? |
| 22:06.16 | Elly | all the packages seem to be virtual |
| 22:06.25 | peterS | Elly: the package names are tcl8.4 and tk8.4 |
| 22:06.47 | peterS | Elly: in fact you can just install tk8.4 and that will pull in tcl8.4 |
| 22:06.56 | kreg | anyone understand the "who's who" with the linksys products and those walmart products called "network everywhere" with the name linksys printed on them? |
| 22:07.07 | LightVision | peterS: yes both |
| 22:07.12 | peterS | LightVision: good, good |
| 22:07.19 | LightVision | peterS: :) |
| 22:07.50 | thc | kreg: walmart is the devil! |
| 22:08.04 | LightVision | peterS: the only thing it did say at the end was: You may still have some apache2 processes running. There are |
| 22:08.04 | LightVision | processes named 'apache2' which do not match your pid file, |
| 22:08.04 | LightVision | and in the name of safety, we've left them alone. Please review |
| 22:08.04 | LightVision | the situation by hand. |
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| 22:08.19 | LightVision | oops sorry |
| 22:08.37 | jim | LightVision: pasting is not for here... use a paste website or your own |
| 22:08.38 | peterS | LightVision: yeah, check that by hand, 'ps -fu www-data' |
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| 22:08.55 | LightVision | jim: was accident |
| 22:09.01 | LightVision | peterS: ok |
| 22:09.10 | jim | practice mousing then :) |
| 22:09.20 | christor | I have a problem I launch Apt-get isntall linux-image2.6.12 it doesn t work : you might want to run apt-get -f install to correct these tips.... |
| 22:09.35 | chealer | !tell christor about 2.6.12 |
| 22:09.38 | LightVision | peterS: what I typed that command, it only showed /usr/sbin/apache |
| 22:09.41 | thc | christor: so run apt-get -f install |
| 22:09.42 | christor | when I type -f install udev impossible because linux-kernel 2612 missing |
| 22:09.48 | christor | How I can resolve my prob? |
| 22:09.50 | peterS | LightVision: so, 'ps -fu root | grep apache2' - does it show any? |
| 22:09.53 | thc | ah that happened to me once |
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| 22:10.08 | christor | thc: no serious??? |
| 22:10.13 | LightVision | peterS: it says: root 3706 3532 0 08:13 pts/3 00:00:00 grep apache2 |
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| 22:10.18 | jim | christor: first figure out whether 2.6.12 is actually available as a package |
| 22:10.20 | christor | thc: I though that I should lauch my comp by the window |
| 22:10.28 | peterS | LightVision: so you don't have any apache2 processes. I'd ignore the warning then, someone doesn't know what it is talking about |
| 22:10.47 | LightVision | peterS: so I can ignore the grep apache2 ? |
| 22:10.51 | thc | christor: my solution to that was a little extreme, someone else probably knows a way to fix that |
| 22:10.51 | peterS | LightVision: correct |
| 22:10.55 | dakishi | eehh guys i am gaving a problem with lilo, it cannot install cause my hda1 is not active how do i make it active? |
| 22:10.57 | LightVision | peterS: cool thanks :) |
| 22:11.04 | LightVision | brb breakfast time |
| 22:11.14 | variant | lo all, I think its important to point out this oppertunity to all Free Software users (and anyone who is sane): http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/ev50/index.html |
| 22:11.37 | peterS | dakishi: 'cfdisk /dev/hda', select the first partition, hit 'b' to make it bootable, then hit 'W' to write the partition table and 'q' to quit |
| 22:11.39 | jim | variant: please never advertise |
| 22:11.49 | EmleyMoor | Is it possible, and is there a guide if so, to run two networks over one set of cat5, with machines being in either or both networks? |
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| 22:12.09 | variant | It would allow the creator of that website a chance to speak to some of the most influetial people in Europe directly concerning software patents. |
| 22:12.20 | peterS | EmleyMoor: what you really want there is called VLANs, for 'virtual LANs'. requires vlan support in your switch, which only expensive switches have |
| 22:12.23 | jim | variant: please NEVER ADVERTISE |
| 22:12.32 | variant | jim: I think this is apropriate considering the subject matter can directly affect Debian |
| 22:12.54 | jim | variant: PLEASE NEVER ADVERTISE |
| 22:13.00 | variant | jim: its not advertising its called raising awareness |
| 22:13.03 | peterS | EmleyMoor: then if a computer needs to be in two vlans at once, the computer's NIC and its OS must both support VLANs (most modern NICs do), and you set it up on the switch so that that machine has both vlans instead of just one or the other |
| 22:13.06 | variant | jim: are you an op on this channel? |
| 22:13.13 | jim | (sheesh. why do I have to repeat so often??) |
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| 22:13.31 | peterS | variant: no he's not. and I don't think your swpat thing was out of line, although it's not directly topical either |
| 22:13.33 | thc | variant: it doesn't matter if he's an op, no one cares or wants to read that crap |
| 22:13.39 | peterS | (no, I'm not an op either) |
| 22:13.47 | EmleyMoor | peterS: So, if I want to put my wireless on a private network, I need to put a second card in a machine and run a private network over that - oh well - mind you, I probably have a spare card |
| 22:14.07 | variant | thc: I guess you dont want to continue using debian that much either.. |
| 22:14.08 | caphuso | european of the year? geez, people actually believe that PR stunt would make a difference? |
| 22:14.19 | peterS | EmleyMoor: multiple physical networks is probably easier and, unless you have a *lot* of machines, also probably cheaper (those VLAN switches aren't cheap) |
| 22:14.22 | variant | caphuso: it would raise awarness |
| 22:14.22 | thc | *plonk* |
| 22:14.35 | caphuso | variant: who was european of the year 2004? |
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| 22:14.39 | EmleyMoor | peterS: Fair enough - will raid my spares |
| 22:14.41 | LightVision | whats the best program to convert PHP files into html files? |
| 22:15.04 | caphuso | LightVision: php |
| 22:15.06 | peterS | LightVision: you mean to interpret php and spit out html? your web server, with mod_php4 loaded, will do that for you |
| 22:15.10 | variant | caphuso: it would raise awareness amoungst polititions, i guess they know who last years winner was too.. |
| 22:15.15 | jim | variant: you joined in order to soapbox... that's seriously annoying |
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| 22:15.30 | jim | #politics is that way ----> |
| 22:15.35 | variant | idiots |
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| 22:15.37 | caphuso | variant: bwahahaha |
| 22:15.40 | peterS | LightVision: you can install 'php4-cli' but some things act subtly different when they're run from a command line instead of from a web server |
| 22:15.43 | poh_ | peterS: evdev seems to be working |
| 22:15.45 | LightVision | peterS: yes I mean the most accurate conversion from php to html |
| 22:15.52 | poh_ | peterS: thanks again |
| 22:16.01 | peterS | poh_: oh, it was that easy to set up? cool, I actually didn't know how much trouble that would be |
| 22:16.10 | LightVision | peterS: so I install php4-cli and use that? |
| 22:16.22 | peterS | LightVision: you can. the command name is then 'php' |
| 22:16.33 | poh_ | all I needed to do was change the device, it is just working. |
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| 22:16.40 | matadon | Anyone have any good recs for a SSL certificate management tool, preferably command-line based? |
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| 22:16.46 | Guerin | oh god, LightVision is trying to run php |
| 22:16.47 | matadon | Or do I just get to write my own? *grin* |
| 22:16.49 | Guerin | *pheeer* |
| 22:16.56 | peterS | poh_: I had no idea it was that simple. you also had to load the 'evdev' kernel module, I suppose |
| 22:16.58 | LightVision | peterS: but how do I access the php pages from cli? |
| 22:17.11 | poh_ | peterS: yes, but it was already compiled |
| 22:17.14 | peterS | LightVision: you have to find them, they're on your system somewhere, wherever the package installed them |
| 22:17.20 | LightVision | peterS: the php pages I need to convert are part of the mysql databse |
| 22:17.26 | pem3v78 | how do I remove all variables in bash script ? |
| 22:17.40 | Guerin | pem3v78: #bash |
| 22:17.43 | peterS | pem3v78: what do you mean? that would make it ... not much of a script |
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| 22:17.58 | LightVision | peterS: all the php pages I need to convert are all in one single file called dbase.sql |
| 22:18.02 | peterS | pem3v78: if you mean how to unset variables in your shell, 'unset' works |
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| 22:18.30 | LightVision | peterS: seeing thats the case, would a better solution be avaible? |
| 22:18.37 | peterS | LightVision: yeah, that's something I can't advise you on, I don't know how they are stored in that kind of file so I can't say how to extract them into individual files |
| 22:18.56 | peterS | caphuso: I think it takes a default setting if you unset it. like " ", or all whitespace, or something |
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| 22:19.04 | peterS | or maybe not |
| 22:19.04 | LightVision | peterS: I can load them using firefox and chose SAVE as HTML. Yet I was hoping of a better way |
| 22:19.26 | peterS | LightVision: loading in firefox and 'save as html' might be the easiest way after all |
| 22:19.42 | LightVision | caphuso: have you ever converted php files into html that are stored in a mysql database file? |
| 22:19.56 | LightVision | peterS: yeah seems the only way too :P |
| 22:19.57 | Guerin | LightVision: lynx -dump in a for loop |
| 22:20.04 | Guerin | err |
| 22:20.07 | Guerin | not -dump |
| 22:20.13 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, lynx -dump saves formatted text |
| 22:20.17 | peterS | you probably mean wget |
| 22:20.19 | Guerin | i bet she's still ignoring me anyway |
| 22:20.27 | Guerin | peterS: right |
| 22:20.30 | caphuso | LightVision: frankly, until 5 minutes ago i didn't know that people could think of a concept like "converting php to html" |
| 22:20.33 | peterS | but that's if you know what they're called |
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| 22:21.04 | Guerin | 'converting php to html' is what a webserver does |
| 22:21.10 | marstewel | caphuso: PHP and HTML code should always be split |
| 22:21.29 | marstewel | caphuso: template system ;) |
| 22:21.31 | jim | or more closely, a php interpreter |
| 22:21.36 | LightVision | caphuso: it seems you learned something new then :) |
| 22:21.37 | caphuso | marstewel: yeah, on the the web root and the other in /dev/null |
| 22:21.39 | marstewel | hi jim |
| 22:21.42 | jim | hi |
| 22:21.49 | marstewel | lol |
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| 22:22.03 | caphuso | Guerin: no, a web server interprets a php program, which sometimes happens to produce HTML |
| 22:22.07 | dakishi | this is wierd, i installed lilo, and when i made my hda acttive and bootable and rebooted pc, the boot manager that runned was grub how can i change it to lilo? |
| 22:22.08 | matadon | caphuso: I can't put it in /dev/null, that's where I keep my Windows installation. |
| 22:22.09 | peterS | most php files are probably designed to be interpreted by a web server, not just php4-cli |
| 22:22.13 | Guerin | caphuso: yeah yeah |
| 22:22.32 | marstewel | dakishi: did you install it in the right location? |
| 22:22.59 | peterS | dakishi: you have to understand the boot process. the first thing that boots is the master boot record, or MBR. grub is installed in the MBR, and perhaps when you installed lilo you didn't put it in the MBR, thus *not* overwriting grub |
| 22:23.06 | dakishi | marstewel, well i intalled it on hda, so i guess i did..., but i never installed grub do not know why is it there |
| 22:23.12 | peterS | dakishi: to put lilo in the MBR, use 'boot=/dev/hda' in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 22:23.41 | ecivo | hey, just a little question from a noob, if I have killed some of my modules, a simple "make modules_install" in the Standard Kernel /usr/src/kernel.x.x.x. shoud reinstall them, or am I wrong |
| 22:23.42 | ecivo | ? |
| 22:23.51 | peterS | dakishi: the other possibility is you have two hard drives and the BIOS is set up to boot the one you *didn't* install lilo to |
| 22:23.56 | ecivo | thanks for replieing btw |
| 22:24.12 | dakishi | peterS, okey ill try to do that |
| 22:24.18 | marstewel | why do you want to switch from grub to lilo anyways dakishi |
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| 22:24.33 | peterS | ecivo: just 'aptitude install --reinstall your-kernel-image-package-name should do it too though |
| 22:24.41 | peterS | ecivo: that's simpler and involves less downloading |
| 22:24.54 | dakishi | peterS, well i installed grub in a floppy so to not make conflict with lilo, but ill do what you otld me before |
| 22:25.13 | ecivo | petemc, I've everything allready on the machine |
| 22:25.26 | peterS | ecivo: even so, the --reinstall is simpler |
| 22:25.28 | matadon | ecivo: You might want to read up on using make-kpkg; it's a much easier way of managing kernel and module installation, and is Debian Approved(tm). |
| 22:25.46 | jim | ecivo: well you're talking about -generic- kernel compiles; debian has a script that does the compile steps and packages the result... this is preferred for many reasons... but existing images are preferred over that unless you have very very specific needs |
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| 22:25.54 | marstewel | make-kpkg is really great ;) |
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| 22:26.00 | ecivo | make-kpkg, ok, gonna go for that and the --reinstall |
| 22:26.07 | ecivo | thank u guys :) |
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| 22:27.05 | jim | well both doesn't make sense... if you want to compile, you wouldn't --reinstall and if you want to install an existing image, you wouldn;t compile |
| 22:27.32 | dakishi | peterS, i only got a HDD, and the lilo boot is set to "boot =/dev/hda1", so i guess it is correct |
| 22:27.53 | peterS | dakishi: didn't I just tell you "boot=/dev/hda"? how did you go from that to "boot=/dev/hda1"? |
| 22:28.03 | LightVision | does a debian application exist that does a mirror copy of a website? |
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| 22:28.17 | dakishi | peterS, i said it was set not that i setted =), dont get mad |
| 22:28.35 | peterS | dakishi: the difference between hda and hda1 is *exactly* your problem. |
| 22:28.50 | peterS | LightVision: several, depending on your situation. I use a simple one-line rsync script, myself, for this |
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| 22:29.36 | jim | dakishi: that means it will install lilo on the first partition (as opposed, for example, to the whole drive (mbr) |
| 22:29.40 | jim | ) |
| 22:30.03 | marstewel | dakishi: hda = mbr; hda1 = 1st partition of primary ide HDD |
| 22:30.10 | peterS | don't be confusing, jim. hda doesn't mean "the whole drive" in this context so much as it means "the boot sector of the whole drive" |
| 22:30.27 | dakishi | okey , i got that thank you all =) |
| 22:30.29 | jim | well the boot sector of that partition |
| 22:30.29 | LightVision | peterS: where can I use that ? |
| 22:30.45 | jim | oic, yes, right |
| 22:31.00 | peterS | LightVision: I have no idea what access methods you have to your web site. some people offer frontpage extensions, some offer ftp, some offer scp/sftp, some offer rsync-over-ssh |
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| 22:31.37 | LightVision | peterS: I thought using a web ripper application can save my website as html |
| 22:31.43 | peterS | LightVision: I got lucky with the site I was given responsibility for recently - they didn't offer rsync-over-ssh but they did let me ssh in and install my own copy of rsync, which I cribbed from debian sarge (: (it's a red hat box) |
| 22:31.46 | caphuso | wget should work. and it would also take care of converting php to html ;-) |
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| 22:32.04 | jim | LightVision: you wouldn't be able to edit scripts that way |
| 22:32.11 | LightVision | caphuso: ok |
| 22:32.11 | caphuso | oh, that _is_ what he wants |
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| 22:32.24 | matadon | peterS: You could have my pain; I *have* to use DeadRat, because a product that is key behind what my company does is not distribution-agnostic. |
| 22:32.25 | caphuso | now i'm scared of myself :-| |
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| 22:32.38 | LightVision | caphuso: so I type "wget localhost" ? |
| 22:32.45 | richard_ | i have a good question |
| 22:32.54 | jim | how good is it? |
| 22:32.59 | matadon | matadon: I'm working on a full OSS solution, but that's a year out because of implementation details, but that company lost my business for refusing to play nice. |
| 22:32.59 | caphuso | LightVision: no, "info wget" |
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| 22:33.10 | peterS | matadon: thanks anyway. they didn't actually tell me I could use scp/sftp, but when I tried ssh I got a shell, so then it was a simple matter of throwing a sarge /usr/bin/rsync into ~/bin and arranging for that to always be in my path |
| 22:33.11 | digijohn | Hey, what usually runs on port 15394? |
| 22:33.17 | marstewel | matadon: I was forced to use RH for a few years but finally convinced upper management that Debian is superior *g* |
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| 22:33.32 | richard_ | im trying to find an addon for kde that lets me install .deb files just by right clicking it and going to action and then to install |
| 22:33.33 | digijohn | Or 16439? |
| 22:33.38 | marstewel | digijohn: google ? |
| 22:33.39 | peterS | matadon: fortunately rsync's library dependencies were already installed and gave me no trouble |
| 22:33.43 | richard_ | can you tell me where i can find that |
| 22:33.49 | marstewel | digijohn: "IANA port assignments" |
| 22:33.53 | marstewel | digijohn: check that first... |
| 22:34.03 | aeronadix | Gnea, Yes my friend, everything is now in order. I upgraded to kernel 2.6, and everting Iri |
| 22:34.10 | dakishi | how can i purge grub wihout damaging the HDD, i dont want it to have conflicts with GRUB? |
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| 22:34.29 | marstewel | digijohn: 16439 is unassigned |
| 22:34.33 | richard_ | can anyone tell me where i can firnd that program |
| 22:34.34 | richard_ | at |
| 22:34.37 | matadon | marstewel: I am upper management, for the most part (it's a startup, and I'm employee #2). But, I'm not about to hotswap our entire backend without making sure that it'll do everything that the business guys need. |
| 22:34.39 | richard_ | ive had it before |
| 22:34.41 | peterS | dakishi: just purge grub normally with apt-get remove --purge grub, and make sure to run /sbin/lilo afterwards, with boot=/dev/hda set in lilo.conf |
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| 22:34.48 | matadon | peterS: Always useful. |
| 22:34.49 | jim | richard_: what is the name of it |
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| 22:34.56 | richard_ | i can remember |
| 22:34.57 | Gnea | aeronadix: cool |
| 22:35.00 | digijohn | Or, on a more relevant note, can I trust what Firestarter lists as "active connections"? |
| 22:35.02 | dakishi | peterS, thank you =) |
| 22:35.06 | jim | good... so do so and tell us :) |
| 22:35.17 | terrencevak | Is there a way to install 2 packages simultaneously? |
| 22:35.17 | richard_ | i came off of a website that i got from someone |
| 22:35.18 | LightVision | caphuso: I tried wget 'http://www.127.0.0.1' but it only saves the index file, not the whole website |
| 22:35.20 | marstewel | digijohn: firestarter is just a frontend |
| 22:35.23 | peterS | terrencevak: aptitude install package1 package2 |
| 22:35.27 | digijohn | I see those two ports, a Shoutcast connection, and a bunch of BitTorrent connections that don't show up on netstat -tcp |
| 22:35.28 | marstewel | LightVision: man wget |
| 22:35.38 | caphuso | LightVision: that's because you refused to read the documentation |
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| 22:36.02 | realamp | Hi alll |
| 22:36.04 | realamp | jemand da? |
| 22:36.09 | marstewel | realamp: english only plz |
| 22:36.10 | terrencevak | peters: OK, thanks; will try that. |
| 22:36.16 | marstewel | although I speak german ;) |
| 22:36.17 | matadon | realamp: English bitte. |
| 22:36.21 | peterS | realamp: that, or try your luck in #debian.de |
| 22:36.24 | jim | LightVision: just so ya know... www.127.0.0.1 is a weird domain name :) |
| 22:36.28 | LightVision | caphuso: well I thought you knew how to get wget to download an entire website, saving me reading :) |
| 22:36.37 | dakishi | can you surf the web from shell =) lol? |
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| 22:36.42 | LightVision | jim: well :) im backing up my own website |
| 22:36.44 | peterS | LightVision: you can use wget -r but you also want some flag for limiting recursion, and I forget what it is |
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| 22:36.52 | matadon | dakishi: Yes. w3m and lynx; telnet if you're l33t. |
| 22:36.54 | marstewel | LightVision: backing up? not really |
| 22:36.55 | LightVision | peterS: ok |
| 22:37.08 | EmleyMoor | Just checked the uptime on my testing box - 59 days short of 1 year |
| 22:37.12 | jim | LightVision: does it have php or other scripts in it? also, does it use a database? |
| 22:37.20 | LightVision | marstewel: im trying to create a mirror image of website, savbing from php to html |
| 22:37.20 | peterS | matadon: don't recommend lynx and forget to mention elinks and links2, dude |
| 22:37.25 | marstewel | LightVision: backing up would not be saving the RESULT (HTML) but the scripts... |
| 22:37.27 | dakishi | matadon, and how does it look it is a visual like or is console mode =)?? |
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| 22:37.27 | LightVision | jim: yes |
| 22:37.41 | peterS | EmleyMoor: meaning, your kernel is not very secure (: |
| 22:38.08 | LightVision | marstewel: im trying to create an exact mirror image copy of my website, saving everything from php to html |
| 22:38.09 | EmleyMoor | peterS: Is that "for sure"? |
| 22:38.13 | jim | LightVision: ok, so the way you're going about it won't get you what you want... additionally, there is more to back up than you thought |
| 22:38.25 | matadon | petemc: Sorry, I usually use w3m anyway. Whats the cool-point of elinks/links2? |
| 22:38.30 | hackeron | want a great enemy territory game in europe: 217.30.182.19:27960 |
| 22:38.31 | peterS | EmleyMoor: you'd have to check the security advisories yourself. but they do come out for kernels on a pretty regular basis, and we know you haven't upgraded your kernel in almost a year |
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| 22:38.40 | LightVision | jim: well my objective is that I want to create an exact mirror image copy of my website, saving everything to html |
| 22:38.43 | peterS | matadon: they suck a whole lot less than lynx. lots of ways. |
| 22:39.03 | EmleyMoor | peterS: All I can tell you is, it's 2.6.7 |
| 22:39.05 | LightVision | jim: whats the best way and easiest way to accomplish this in your opinion? |
| 22:39.08 | matadon | dakishi: If you're browsing from the shell, it's console mode; if you want pictures, use an X-based browser (Firefox, Opera, Mozilla, ...) |
| 22:39.09 | peterS | matadon: tables, frames, scripting-via-lua-or-perl, menus, dialog boxes, tabs.... |
| 22:39.24 | terrencevak | I'm trying to install libxtst-dev, but it doesn't like the fact that I have libxtst6; it wants version 4. |
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| 22:39.44 | matadon | peterS: Nice; JS support by chance? It's evil, but too many sites require it. |
| 22:39.45 | peterS | matadon: and in the case of links2, even a GUI mode which, while it doesn't compare to galeon or the other mozillae, is surprisingly functional |
| 22:39.50 | LightVision | my main objective is to be able to sit back, while something is making an exact mirror image copy of my website, saving everything to html. |
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| 22:40.01 | peterS | matadon: JS support in elinks is experimental and after a short try, the debian maintainer disabled it again |
| 22:40.08 | jim | LightVision: what you're thinking won't do it... think about it: what does a php script do? in this context it makes an html page to send to the browser... so if you try on the client side, you will get only one possible output |
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| 22:40.42 | LightVision | jim: so you saying its impossible to create a mirror copy of my website? |
| 22:40.45 | jim | I'm not saying it will hurt to do what you're asking for... so go for it if you want |
| 22:41.01 | jim | no, it's not impossible |
| 22:41.02 | LightVision | jim: well im trying to work out HOW :) |
| 22:41.03 | jim | but: |
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| 22:41.10 | dakishi | matadon, lol i just was wondering if the pc made the web page by writing on shell =) |
| 22:41.22 | peterS | LightVision: taking dynamic scripts, as in php, and converting them to static pages, is not what you probably really want. whatever those php files did other than sending a static page to you, the html files will *not* do. |
| 22:41.31 | jim | (1) you have to back up the actual scripts that run to produce the site |
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| 22:41.39 | LightVision | jim: under windows theres a program called BlackWidow that does it! Im trying to find a Debian equivalent |
| 22:41.40 | zdennis | Is there anyway to initialize a swap partition without rebooting? |
| 22:41.45 | bier | how can i get a list of all installed packages? i know the dpkg -l command, but there is much more output as just a list with packages... |
| 22:41.51 | matadon | dakishi: Ah, no. |
| 22:41.52 | peterS | LightVision: the way to get a site copy without losing the php is not to go through the web server, but to use some other method such as scp or rsync or ftp |
| 22:41.54 | LightVision | peterS: Im ok with that! |
| 22:42.04 | marstewel | bier: dpkg --get-selections |
| 22:42.07 | stew | zdennis: read the mkswap and swapon manpages (and maybe fstab) |
| 22:42.09 | jim | (2) you have to get the contents of the database |
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| 22:42.17 | jim | and back that up too |
| 22:42.18 | zdennis | yeah i read fstab man page |
| 22:42.21 | zdennis | i will read the others |
| 22:42.21 | LightVision | peterS: I just need something that will do the best job possible, yet I realise the html wont be 100% same as the PHP! but thats ok |
| 22:42.21 | zdennis | thanks |
| 22:42.22 | peterS | LightVision: ok if you're ok with that, wget -r (and other flags I always forget, to prevent it from recursing off to other web sites) will do what you want |
| 22:42.23 | Jeaton | is debian pretty similar to slackware? |
| 22:42.29 | kl | it's interresting to use ipv6 ? |
| 22:42.31 | bier | marstewel: wow, thank you ;-) perfect |
| 22:42.35 | LightVision | peterS: ok ill try that |
| 22:42.36 | peterS | Jeaton: not really |
| 22:42.59 | jim | LightVision: again, I'm not saying it will hurt to do what you're trying now... |
| 22:43.04 | peterS | Jeaton: I mean they're both linux and ship a lot of the same software, but the philosophies are quite different in how they do things |
| 22:43.05 | jim | but I -am- saying... |
| 22:43.09 | LightVision | jim: promise? :) heheh |
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| 22:43.13 | marstewel | bier: drink a beer for me too ;) |
| 22:43.26 | Jeaton | ok |
| 22:43.32 | jim | that it will not help to also back up the scripts and database |
| 22:43.44 | marstewel | jim: he/she doesnt understand... |
| 22:44.02 | jim | not so sure about that... |
| 22:44.04 | bier | marstewel: dpkg --get-selections |grep -v 'deinstall' |awk '{print $1}' did it perfectly ;-) |
| 22:44.10 | peterS | LightVision: you might try 'wget -m', it seems to be designed for what you actually wanted. read about it and decide for yourself |
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| 22:44.39 | marstewel | bier: man is your friend |
| 22:44.47 | peterS | man is dog's best friend |
| 22:44.52 | marstewel | lol |
| 22:44.53 | LightVision | peterS: ok , ill try that! because -r doesnt actually save any of the php files stored in the mysql database file |
| 22:45.16 | marstewel | LightVision: we hope you know what you are doing... |
| 22:45.30 | Loevborg | LightVision, the regular avenue would be to check http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=web+mirror |
| 22:45.35 | LightVision | marstewel: why? im not hurting anything :P |
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| 22:45.45 | peterS | marstewel: she doesn't, particularly, but maybe she'll learn |
| 22:45.54 | marstewel | LightVision: you are female? ;) |
| 22:46.13 | LightVision | peterS: the -m seemed to read the database and save them! now all I need to do is find where wget stored everyhing to check :) |
| 22:46.22 | peterS | LightVision: it stored everything in the current directory |
| 22:46.32 | LightVision | marstewel: be careful of what? copying my website? :) |
| 22:46.34 | peterS | I mean it makes subdirectories for your server name and so forth |
| 22:46.36 | Gumby | can anyone refresh my memory in regards to the command to create a .deb from a source file that has a debian directory in it |
| 22:46.50 | terrencevak | How can I either get libxtst-dev to accept the fact that I have libxtst6 insteaad of libxtst4, or get a version of libxtst-dev that's compatible with libxtst6? |
| 22:46.52 | peterS | Gumby: 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' |
| 22:47.01 | peterS | Gumby: after installing 'build-essential' and 'fakeroot' that is |
| 22:47.08 | peterS | Gumby: and after 'apt-get build-dep packagename' |
| 22:47.23 | jim | LightVision: no, that's right, you're not hurting anything... but if you don't backup the rest, the backup will be moreorless meaningless |
| 22:47.31 | marstewel | LightVision: whats your 1st name ? |
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| 22:47.38 | jim | Light |
| 22:47.40 | marstewel | dont say anonymous :P |
| 22:47.42 | marstewel | lol jim |
| 22:47.48 | peterS | terrencevak: apt-get install libxtst-dev |
| 22:47.57 | lakcaj | what program is good at burning dvd iso's in windows? |
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| 22:48.00 | peterS | terrencevak: the version that ships with unstable uses libxtst6 |
| 22:48.09 | marstewel | lakcaj: debian != windows |
| 22:48.14 | lakcaj | nm... thought I was still in #blender |
| 22:48.17 | lakcaj | marstewel: thanks for the tip |
| 22:48.19 | peterS | lakcaj: don't know of any free software that does. I guess most people use nero or something |
| 22:48.34 | lakcaj | peterS: thanks :) |
| 22:48.42 | marstewel | lakcaj: check freshmeat.net |
| 22:48.46 | marstewel | or download.com |
| 22:48.53 | Gumby | peterS: and do I just run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in the debian directory? |
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| 22:49.03 | peterS | Gumby: no, in the parent directory, the one that has debian/ in it |
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| 22:49.13 | Gumby | peterS: excellent thanks |
| 22:49.19 | lakcaj | marstewel: good call. Thanks for your help. I do use debian, but my dvd burner doesn't seem to work anymore, so I want to rule out a hardware issue. |
| 22:49.25 | peterS | Gumby: actually, even better: install 'devscripts' and then run 'debuild' |
| 22:49.27 | marstewel | jim: LightVision is shy ;) |
| 22:49.33 | terrencevak | peters: When I do "apt-get install libxtst-dev", it tells me, "libxtst-dev: Depends: libxtst6 (= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1) but 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 is to be installed" |
| 22:49.34 | peterS | Gumby: debuild runs dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and also a couple of other things |
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| 22:50.08 | peterS | terrencevak: then you've got an inconsistent view of the debian mirror space. the two packages should be of exactly the same version. |
| 22:50.09 | LightVision | peterS: wget -r -m 'http://127.0.0.1' seemed to do what we wanted! its not perfect, but good enough :) thanks again. |
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| 22:50.23 | peterS | LightVision: no problem. note that -m implies -r so you don't really need to say -r |
| 22:50.47 | LightVision | peterS: ok great |
| 22:50.55 | terrencevak | peterS: How do I fix that inconsistent view? |
| 22:51.16 | peterS | terrencevak: could try 'apt-get update' |
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| 22:51.25 | LightVision | peterS: thanks again, that saved me saving each file individually using firefox save, saved me 1 hour of time :) |
| 22:51.27 | matadon | peterS: Unless not -m. (too much formal math). |
| 22:51.50 | peterS | LightVision: it was actually Guerin who gave me the idea to suggest wget. he didn't say wget but he reminded me of it |
| 22:52.14 | gravity | Oh... another xorg upgrade |
| 22:52.19 | marstewel | LightVision: so use this 1 hour for something :) |
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| 22:52.29 | gravity | Man... I wish people would just use the backports rather than grabbing the etch packages |
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| 22:52.41 | invisibility | hi all, when i installed debian i preffered to use gnome but i changed my mind and now i use fluxbox desktop. i have a small hd so i dont want to see any gnome files in my filesystem taking my precious hd space! i tried apt-get remove gnome but it just removes one package "gnome". how can i do that? and after i remove gnome, will there be any gnome files around? cause i want a clean system! ty |
| 22:52.43 | peterS | gravity: ah, this is someone who only has stable in his sources.list? |
| 22:52.52 | Gumby | peterS: there doesnt seem to be a debian/control file. there is however a debian/control.modules.in Did I mess a step somewhere? |
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| 22:53.05 | gravity | peterS: It looks like it. That's a sarge version that he's got installed but he's installing what's in etch |
| 22:53.08 | Gumby | do I still need to do ./configure and make? |
| 22:53.14 | peterS | Gumby: then it's a buggy package, it should have a debian/control or at least it should be generated by the time it is needed |
| 22:53.15 | LightVision | peterS: thats what I like about you, you are humble and give credit where its due |
| 22:53.15 | Gumby | in the parent dir? |
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| 22:53.19 | elirips | hello people. i am looking for a package that contains a driver for cups for my hp laserjet 1200. i have here two sarge machines, on one i can choose 'hp laserjet 1200' in cups, on the other not, guess i'm missing a package, but which one? |
| 22:53.23 | Cran1988 | Hi!!! |
| 22:53.35 | LightVision | Guerin: thanks for the idea of wget |
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| 22:53.49 | peterS | Gumby: try this: debian/rules debian/control |
| 22:53.58 | marstewel | LightVision: no thanks for the rest? :) |
| 22:53.59 | peterS | Gumby: if that doesn't generate a proper debian/control, the package is really messed up |
| 22:54.10 | jim | gravity: but what replaces that? |
| 22:54.14 | peterS | Gumby: oh yeah, also try 'fakeroot debian/rules clean' |
| 22:54.27 | gravity | jim: What? |
| 22:54.29 | LightVision | marstewel: please stop harrasing me, thank you. |
| 22:54.31 | dakishi | www.backports.org |
| 22:54.36 | marstewel | sorry LightVision |
| 22:54.39 | dakishi | and learn to use it =) |
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| 22:54.41 | Gumby | peterS: ok, I'll have a look. I dont see why the package would be that broken. Its hostap-source from debians hostap-driver package |
| 22:54.44 | peterS | jim: his point is that people insist on trying to install xorg via the unstable / testing packages, on their stable systems. that's what happened here. |
| 22:54.49 | marstewel | dakishi: or produce your own backports ;) |
| 22:54.53 | LightVision | marstewel: its ok, just be nice :) |
| 22:54.54 | muhoo | ethereal refuses to run as root |
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| 22:54.56 | muhoo | "Could not set capabilities: Operation not permitted" |
| 22:55.01 | muhoo | this is on sid |
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| 22:55.11 | muhoo | xclock runs just fine as root |
| 22:55.13 | marstewel | LightVision: I am nice :D |
| 22:55.14 | dakishi | marstewel, yeah that two if you got time =) |
| 22:55.15 | ramzez | hello people |
| 22:55.23 | muhoo | as does xterm, etc. so my xauth stuff is correct |
| 22:55.39 | marstewel | dakishi: we are using our own apt repository here with authentication for our customers |
| 22:55.49 | muhoo | why is ethereal being such a pain in the arse? |
| 22:55.51 | LightVision | marstewel: so you say |
| 22:56.14 | marstewel | LightVision: you should rather dump the database... |
| 22:56.17 | marstewel | LightVision: mysqldump |
| 22:56.20 | abrotman | gravity: i made someone file a bug against you! |
| 22:56.28 | gravity | abrotman: Which one? |
| 22:56.34 | marstewel | abrotman: hmm? |
| 22:56.35 | peterS | bad abrotman. no cookie. |
| 22:56.37 | abrotman | gravity: dunno .. something about you being defective! |
| 22:56.46 | abrotman | bastard kept floating off the ground |
| 22:56.51 | gravity | heh |
| 22:56.51 | bluefox83 | has gaim-vv been added to the main gaim branch yet? |
| 22:56.52 | Guerin | against gravity? |
| 22:56.53 | ramzez | I notice that there is new directory in ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386 called Packages.diff. What is it ? How to use it ? instead of the big file Packages.bz2 |
| 22:57.05 | abrotman | gravity: bout not leaving the resolution unchecked and it bails the install |
| 22:57.09 | Guerin | !htfswk bluefox83 |
| 22:57.10 | dpkg | bluefox83: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 22:57.13 | gravity | Oh, that one |
| 22:57.13 | LightVision | marstewel: why? |
| 22:57.18 | dakishi | marstewel, what tha... way awsome =) |
| 22:57.19 | peterS | ramzez: there is? cool! that'll be supported in future versions of apt-get, automatically |
| 22:57.24 | abrotman | gravity: that was going on for a while :) |
| 22:57.26 | gravity | Wait... I fixed that one |
| 22:57.26 | LightVision | marstewel: dump it and do what? |
| 22:57.28 | gravity | I think |
| 22:57.30 | gravity | Meh |
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| 22:57.34 | abrotman | gravity: he said in etch it's not fixed ? |
| 22:57.34 | Guerin | bluefox83: doubtful, since the lead gaim dev has been employed by google and is probably not working in gaim any more |
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| 22:57.39 | peterS | ramzez: it'll reduce your 'apt-get update' times drastically |
| 22:57.44 | marstewel | LightVision: save it in case you need to restore (thats what you are making the backup for, right) ? |
| 22:57.46 | muhoo | bluefox83: welcome to the helpful, collegial environment of #debian ;-) |
| 22:57.49 | shad0w1e | quesion: whhy cant my box be accessed on the network by name and only by IP ?? |
| 22:57.53 | abrotman | LightVision: you could .. read the mysql docs? |
| 22:57.58 | marstewel | shad0w1e: dns ? |
| 22:57.59 | abrotman | they have a wonderful section on mysqldump |
| 22:58.04 | ramzez | peterS: good thing :) |
| 22:58.06 | gravity | Meh, I'll fix it one of these days. Right now, my full time attention is on modular packages |
| 22:58.07 | shad0w1e | marstewel, this is the dns server |
| 22:58.07 | Guerin | muhoo: welcome to the offtopic stupidity of irc |
| 22:58.11 | dakishi | one question if you got debian 3.1 sarge and do apt-get dist-update will it go to sid??? |
| 22:58.12 | peterS | Guerin: there's that famous 20% of the time google employees are supposed to work on personal projects, though |
| 22:58.20 | ramzez | peterS: sure, diff files are very small :) |
| 22:58.21 | gravity | Modularization is a far better investment than a single corner-case bug fix |
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| 22:58.24 | marstewel | shad0w1e: and what do the others use as dns server? |
| 22:58.28 | gravity | Anyway, dinner |
| 22:58.39 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, right. |
| 22:58.42 | Gumby | peterS: you said try debian/control debian/rules..... was there a command to go along with that? |
| 22:58.42 | LightVision | marstewel: i already have a dump of it |
| 22:58.45 | shad0w1e | dakishi, if you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and replace all instances of sarge with sid, yed |
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| 22:58.51 | marstewel | LightVision: a recent one ? |
| 22:58.52 | peterS | Gumby: that *is* the command. 'debian/control debian/rules' |
| 22:58.55 | shad0w1e | marstewel, this box as well |
| 22:59.00 | peterS | Gumby: I mean 'debian/rules debian/control' |
| 22:59.01 | shad0w1e | its running dhcpd3 |
| 22:59.04 | peterS | Gumby: debian/rules *is* a command |
| 22:59.06 | NyteRukh | hello |
| 22:59.07 | Gumby | peterS: but debian/control doesnt exist |
| 22:59.15 | muhoo | Guerin: heh. actually #debian used to be a good place for all kinds of offtopic general linux stuff. though keeping it focussed on only debian is probably a smarter policy. |
| 22:59.15 | LightVision | marstewel: yesterday |
| 22:59.30 | peterS | Gumby: try it, run 'debian/rules debian/control'. it might work, it might not |
| 22:59.32 | marstewel | LightVision: if you say thats good enought okay :) |
| 22:59.36 | peterS | Gumby: if it doesn't, try 'fakeroot debian/rules clean' |
| 22:59.50 | dakishi | shad0w1e, is sid a little more stable??, or is it very high risk to get stuck with error using it? |
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| 23:00.02 | Mhayk | how the channel by Brazil |
| 23:00.02 | Mhayk | ? |
| 23:00.08 | Guerin | dakishi: sid is very unstable; don't use it. |
| 23:00.08 | marstewel | sid and stable ? |
| 23:00.09 | shad0w1e | dakishi, that I dont know. I also dont think you can roll back once you do the update |
| 23:00.11 | Guerin | !br |
| 23:00.12 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:00.13 | peterS | Mhayk: #debian-br |
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| 23:00.20 | marstewel | sid is UNSTABLE... |
| 23:00.31 | shad0w1e | that doesnt mean itll crash, does it...? |
| 23:00.37 | marstewel | I'd rather recommend running testing that sid if you really want to go for it |
| 23:00.38 | Guerin | shad0w1e: it means it'll break |
| 23:00.45 | shad0w1e | ah |
| 23:00.49 | shad0w1e | meaning packages argue and stuff |
| 23:00.50 | muhoo | yeah, but i've used sid constantly durign the many years between woody and sarge, with only occasionaly breakage |
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| 23:01.11 | marstewel | muhoo: sid broke 2 test servers here ;) |
| 23:01.13 | EdLin | shad0w1e: and worse |
| 23:01.19 | muhoo | marstewel: yuck |
| 23:01.22 | Guerin | shad0w1e: more or less. And something they just simply have horrible bugs |
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| 23:01.33 | peterS | hmmm, I'd better go, I have to be somewhere in 14 minutes and I should shower first |
| 23:01.33 | dakishi | lol well ive tried upgrading to sid =) and used it and got stock a lot of times =), i started using deb 3 days ago, and still net-reinstalling cause i always end mixing libreries woith sid =) lol |
| 23:01.35 | shad0w1e | ok so how do I fix my dhcp problem? |
| 23:01.37 | Gumby | peterS: debian/control debian/rules says file not found debian/control. fakeroot debian rules/clean says no rules to make taregt "clean" |
| 23:01.39 | bluefox83 | OMG! gaim-vv is being merged back into gaim for gaim-2.0.0!! |
| 23:01.40 | terrencevak | peterS: I did the apt-get update, but I'm still getting the libxtst-dev: Depends: libxtst6 (= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1) but 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 is to be installed" error. |
| 23:01.41 | muhoo | how painful is it to downgrade a machine from sid to sarge? |
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| 23:01.55 | abrotman | bluefox83: you're so easily excitable ... |
| 23:01.57 | stew | muhoo: impossible |
| 23:01.58 | NyteRukh | you mean sarge to sid |
| 23:02.02 | marstewel | shad0w1e: you do have 1 dhcp server only, true ? |
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| 23:02.09 | peterS | Gumby: dude, do what I said, not some approximation of what I said. I said "debian/rules debian/control", not the other way around |
| 23:02.11 | shad0w1e | marstewel, yes |
| 23:02.19 | shad0w1e | in fact it was working fine on my old install |
| 23:02.20 | peterS | Gumby: also I said "fakeroot debian/rules clean" |
| 23:02.21 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i'm getting tired of not being able to use yahoo to it's fullest potential |
| 23:02.27 | shad0w1e | I did a clean install and now it dont work! |
| 23:02.31 | abrotman | bluefox83: oh .. what a crime ... |
| 23:02.40 | marstewel | shad0w1e: config issue ? |
| 23:02.43 | Guerin | bluefox83: yahoo has a fullest potential? |
| 23:02.44 | shad0w1e | from sarge to sid is very simple |
| 23:02.45 | peterS | Gumby: and if there's really no rule to make target 'clean', then that is terribly broken |
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| 23:03.03 | bluefox83 | Guerin, yes, video and voice conferencing |
| 23:03.03 | muhoo | NyteRukh: no, i mean downgrade, from sid to sarge. though if it's gonna be 5 years till the next release, maybe i'll just stick with unstable for now. |
| 23:03.07 | Guerin | haha |
| 23:03.12 | shad0w1e | update the sources.list, apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:03.18 | Guerin | bluefox83: using open protocols? |
| 23:03.19 | Gumby | peterS: same make error unfortunately |
| 23:03.23 | abrotman | bluefox83: you could use gnomemeeting ? |
| 23:03.24 | dakishi | shad0w1e like how miuch simple are we talking about =) |
| 23:03.25 | bluefox83 | and in linux, it's 1000000000000x more stable |
| 23:03.30 | EdLin | muhoo: apt is not designed for downgrading |
| 23:03.36 | bluefox83 | abrotman, gnomemeeting wont work with ppl using yahoo |
| 23:03.37 | shad0w1e | simple to update, VERY SIMPLE |
| 23:03.39 | peterS | Gumby: can't help you, you have a broken package on your hand, in some form |
| 23:03.45 | shad0w1e | probably impossible to roll back though |
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| 23:03.52 | abrotman | bluefox83: no shit .. i was suggesting to stop using Yahoo altogether |
| 23:03.52 | shad0w1e | and it might break stuff but i dont know about that |
| 23:03.54 | Guerin | bluefox83: it will work with netmeeting, though |
| 23:04.00 | muhoo | EdLin: so i guess the answer is no. oh well. i've had good luck with sid, i suppose i'll stick with it then. |
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| 23:04.02 | NyteRukh | im under the impression sarge is newer than sid |
| 23:04.03 | abrotman | bricklikefly ? |
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| 23:04.06 | Guerin | bluefox83: which every windows user has installed |
| 23:04.06 | shad0w1e | but updating is mad simple |
| 23:04.14 | muhoo | NyteRukh: sarge is the current release. sid is unstable, last i checked. |
| 23:04.18 | marstewel | NyteRukh: no |
| 23:04.21 | abrotman | NyteRukh: sarge was released .. is the current stable .. sid is never released and always unstable |
| 23:04.21 | Guerin | NyteRukh: you're under a mistaken impression |
| 23:04.22 | NyteRukh | ah k |
| 23:04.23 | bluefox83 | Guerin, but not every winblows user knows how to use netmeeting |
| 23:04.25 | abrotman | !relelase |
| 23:04.26 | dakishi | shad0w1e lol it is funny when you get the apt error that the package is not installable |
| 23:04.27 | abrotman | !release |
| 23:04.27 | dpkg | Sarge has been released (2005-06-06). Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <woody->sarge>. |
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| 23:04.30 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:04.30 | bluefox83 | and not all of them *want* to use it |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | !releases |
| 23:04.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 23:04.44 | marstewel | Etch will be released in Dec 2006? *G* |
| 23:04.48 | marstewel | I read that somewhere :P |
| 23:04.49 | shad0w1e | dakishi, usually tat means that you have to look at your sources.list for commented out repositories ? |
| 23:04.55 | abrotman | !etch pool |
| 23:04.55 | dpkg | i guess etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 23:05.06 | Guerin | PRACE YOUR BETS!!! |
| 23:05.16 | marstewel | !etch bet |
| 23:05.17 | dpkg | to add a bet to the etch pool, /msg dpkg etch pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ |
| 23:05.28 | GodKilla- | test |
| 23:05.45 | marstewel | !listkeys etch pool |
| 23:05.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'etch pool' by key (2): etch pool 1 ;; etch pool. |
| 23:05.49 | jim | fest |
| 23:05.49 | muhoo | fat fucking chance |
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| 23:06.08 | shad0w1e | ok im out of here, im gonna attempt to look at my network config files from my old install and see what im doing wrong, if anything! |
| 23:06.14 | GodKilla- | right, im gone for sleep now, cya 2morrow |
| 23:06.22 | dakishi | shad0w1e but in my place it was messing up with deb libraries =) and gues what happened ended screwing up that a manuall roll back wont fix, so needed to reinstall lol =) |
| 23:06.39 | shad0w1e | I didnt even know you COULD roll back! |
| 23:06.58 | shad0w1e | ok later fellas |
| 23:06.58 | EdLin | shad0w1e: you can try, and fail horribly |
| 23:06.59 | marstewel | dakishi: I can restore the past 28 days :P |
| 23:07.02 | shad0w1e | oh lol |
| 23:07.02 | dakishi | shad0w1e, you cannot automaticaly roll back =) |
| 23:07.04 | terrencevak | Is there something else I should change to fix the libxtst version issue? I did the apt-get update but it didn't work. |
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| 23:07.24 | dakishi | marstewel, holly goddness how?? teach me =P |
| 23:07.27 | marstewel | at least on the production machines ;) |
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| 23:07.55 | marstewel | okay well in fact its the past 27 |
| 23:08.06 | marstewel | but almost... |
| 23:08.55 | dakishi | great need to reboot to see if lilo is okey =) |
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| 23:10.43 | Drakh_ | whats the system script that is used for running things after the system starts |
| 23:10.51 | marstewel | system script ? |
| 23:10.52 | Drakh_ | like rc.local on other linuxs |
| 23:11.04 | Drakh_ | yea, i just want to run a shell script on startup after everything loads |
| 23:11.12 | NyteRukh | !.deb |
| 23:11.13 | dpkg | i heard .deb is a debian package |
| 23:11.15 | Drakh_ | well a few |
| 23:11.23 | NyteRukh | !install .deb |
| 23:11.39 | bucky | !RTFM |
| 23:11.40 | dpkg | rtfm is, like, Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 23:11.52 | abrotman | Drakh_: /etc/init.d/README |
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| 23:12.22 | Drakh_ | hey thanks |
| 23:13.09 | abrotman | hey .. you're welcome |
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| 23:13.29 | Drakh_ | =] |
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| 23:15.47 | marstewel | is there a list which LSB and FHS version sarge is "compatible" with ? |
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| 23:15.59 | witless | hotplug problem - usb.agent is not getting called when i plug in my usb camera. any ideas what the problem might be? |
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| 23:16.20 | marstewel | nice would be to see this with some history |
| 23:16.23 | marstewel | (woody, potato, etc) |
| 23:16.28 | marstewel | and maybe plans for etch ;) |
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| 23:17.03 | marstewel | FHS 2.3 AFAIK |
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| 23:17.22 | Loevborg | Is there a program that displays how fast reading a file from a filesystem is? I'd like to check my nfs mount's speed. |
| 23:17.28 | bucky | marstewel, there's a ton of info at http://www.linuxbase.org/ or just apt-get install lsb |
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| 23:17.55 | |bIn5Ry_1rUS1| | hi |
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| 23:18.14 | gpm | hi guys. my keyboard won't work in a newly compiled kernel and i was wondering if you guys could help me figure out which drivers i am missing? the keyboard works fine with a stock 2.6.8 kernel, so i know it's not a hardware issue. i have device drivers->input devices->keyboards->AT keyboard compiled into the kernel in question. |
| 23:18.57 | terrencevak | Is there a way I can specify a package version to install? |
| 23:19.00 | abrotman | you mean ps2 keyboard ? |
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| 23:19.03 | jedediah | gpm, And it's a PS2 keyboard? (and not usb) |
| 23:19.09 | gpm | jedediah: yeah |
| 23:19.15 | marstewel | 2.0 |
| 23:19.23 | marstewel | bucky: a overview is always nice ;) |
| 23:19.58 | NyteRukh | mmm |
| 23:20.09 | marstewel | bucky: something like distrowatch does with the packages ;) |
| 23:20.10 | gpm | jedediah: i get these messages with the stock kernel: input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 |
| 23:20.21 | gpm | jedediah: serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 |
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| 23:20.27 | gpm | jedediah: not sure if that helps.. |
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| 23:22.14 | lakcaj | Well, my dvd burner works fine in xp :( |
| 23:22.40 | lakcaj | all of a sudden, I started getting "OPC failed, try writing at speed 1x" errors in k3b, and the thing won't work at all |
| 23:22.44 | jedediah | gpm, Sorry, not something I've ever heard |
| 23:22.50 | gpm | argh |
| 23:22.53 | |bIn5Ry_1rUS1| | can somebody tell me how i can connect with diffrent applications (unreal tournament & teamspeak) to my sounddevice? |
| 23:23.33 | |bIn5Ry_1rUS1| | with kde i use alsa ... |
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| 23:24.15 | lakcaj | does your card support hardware mixing? Ie, can you play two songs at the same time with xmms using alsa? |
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| 23:24.41 | terrencevak | If my distro is sarge, should I have that as my default distro entry in apt.conf? |
| 23:24.47 | Smerdyakov | Has anyone gotten usermin to work with apache2 via mod_proxy? For me, it tries to redirect to "localhost" upon login, but then works if I reload the login page. |
| 23:24.53 | muhoo | no ideas on why ethereal is being a beeyatch? it's refusing to launch when running as root, when other x apps have no problem running as root |
| 23:25.00 | wobbler | |bIn5Ry_1rUS1|: you nees alsa-oss for teamspeak but i dont know about ut |
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| 23:25.43 | lakcaj | terrencevak: not necessary, unless you start mixing things up in sources.list |
| 23:25.50 | wobbler | need even |
| 23:25.59 | gpm | hey guys, how do i find the kernel configure (.config file) for the 2.6.8 kernel that comes with sarge (if you boot linux26 on the cd)? |
| 23:26.04 | |bIn5Ry_1rUS1| | i use amarok, i can use the alsamixer and and my card is the an intel ich |
| 23:26.06 | lakcaj | it's in /boot |
| 23:26.07 | abrotman | gpm: /boot/ |
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| 23:26.26 | jayeola | are there any channels dedicated to kernel newbs? |
| 23:26.39 | terrencevak | lakcaj: Right now, all the sources.list entries are for stable. |
| 23:26.39 | NyteRukh | k...how do i install a .deb pkge |
| 23:26.41 | jim | gpm: if you installed that kernel, that's the place... else, you can get the 2.6.8 package and look in there |
| 23:26.55 | jim | jayeola: #kernel-newbies |
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| 23:27.02 | jayeola | ty |
| 23:27.20 | jim | they may have moved to a different net |
| 23:27.44 | jayeola | yah - i think that they have moved, google time |
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| 23:28.22 | lakcaj | terrencevak: then you don't need to define the default distro in apt.conf |
| 23:28.33 | lakcaj | NyteRukh: dpkg -i |
| 23:28.46 | Guerin | jayeola: irc.oftc.org |
| 23:28.57 | NyteRukh | ty lakcaj |
| 23:29.13 | jim | also dpkg --help |
| 23:29.18 | shad0w1e | why isn't my box advertising its name on my LAN? (I can only access it via ip address) |
| 23:29.30 | abrotman | nmbd ? |
| 23:29.40 | jayeola | Guerin: ty - just got a result from google |
| 23:30.49 | terrencevak | lakcaj Hmm, OK; so that's not why I get "libxtst-dev: Depends: libxtst6 (= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1) but 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 is to be installed". when I try to install libxtst-dev, *after* doing "apt-get update". |
| 23:31.06 | lakcaj | terrencevak: no, that won't cause that |
| 23:31.27 | terrencevak | lakcaj What else might? |
| 23:31.36 | lakcaj | terrencevak: have you added any additional repos to your sources.list file? |
| 23:31.57 | |bIn5Ry_1rUS1| | i have alsa oss but if i want use the kde soundsystem and start ut i cant hear anything in ut. i must stop the kde sounddaemon and then i can hear sounds in ut. the same prob is with skype. is there a chance to use different non kde programms with sound? |
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| 23:32.15 | terrencevak | lakcaj: No, just what the apt configuration put in. |
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| 23:32.51 | iamsthitha | hey |
| 23:32.54 | iamsthitha | I'm on debian |
| 23:33.05 | iamsthitha | how do I change the x resolution? |
| 23:33.14 | jim | I'm on chicken soup |
| 23:33.25 | iamsthitha | mmm.. chicken soup |
| 23:33.27 | iamsthitha | wanna trade? |
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| 23:33.32 | LightVision | jim: you read the book chicken soup for the soul? |
| 23:33.34 | jim | nope ;) |
| 23:33.39 | iamsthitha | :\ |
| 23:33.42 | gravity | iamsthitha: xrandr |
| 23:33.44 | jim | LightVision: yes |
| 23:33.58 | LightVision | jim: did you like it? |
| 23:34.05 | lakcaj | terrencevak: can you post your sources.list in #flood? |
| 23:34.09 | iamsthitha | hmm |
| 23:34.33 | jim | it's ok |
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| 23:34.34 | iamsthitha | looks like it didnt get all my monitor settings |
| 23:34.34 | lakcaj | !tell iamsthitha about drx |
| 23:34.34 | iamsthitha | it wont show some of the resolutions |
| 23:34.34 | witless | why in the world would hotplug not call usb.agent when i plug in my camera? |
| 23:34.49 | jim | was recommended to me as a way to open me up to soulful things |
| 23:34.54 | witless | it's showing up in /proc/bus/usb/... |
| 23:35.03 | LightVision | jim: ok |
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| 23:35.18 | iamsthitha | I dont have a drx |
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| 23:35.23 | LightVision | jim: what was the best thing you learned from it? |
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| 23:35.45 | SammyTheSnake | aargh, I've been hacked! :( |
| 23:35.52 | iamsthitha | suckor! |
| 23:35.56 | castlerock | hi all, i have problem with xdm/gdm/kdm. I did a net install of testing "etch" and whenever xdm/kdm/gdm runs, when you login, it kicks itself out of X11 and goes back to the login. However, I can run KDE and XFCE (my install window managers) manually. Any ideas? |
| 23:36.01 | SammyTheSnake | can anyone recommend any diagnostic tools to find out how / who / what they did etc? |
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| 23:36.26 | jim | LightVision: but when I went to the bookstore and saw how many chicken soup for the (insert booksale opertunity here) soul, I almost didn't get it |
| 23:36.47 | SammyTheSnake | I think they got in using ssh (there was a suspicious looking connection from an address I didn't recognise and it's only supposed to be me that connects to this machine by ssh |
| 23:36.48 | thc | SammyTheSnake: chkrootkit for starters |
| 23:36.56 | jim | chicken soup for the recovering addict to cocacola soul |
| 23:36.58 | LightVision | jim: yeah know what you mean |
| 23:37.04 | iamsthitha | can I just get a xsetup.sh? |
| 23:37.08 | iamsthitha | that was a nice script |
| 23:37.12 | LightVision | jim: its silly how many they got |
| 23:37.18 | jim | yes |
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| 23:37.23 | SammyTheSnake | thc: ta |
| 23:37.27 | marstewel | oh you are still there LightVision;) |
| 23:37.41 | jim | you'd think they want to be the only content of the self-help market |
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| 23:37.52 | LightVision | marstewel: please stop harrasing me, thank you. |
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| 23:38.06 | marstewel | jesus it was no harrasing |
| 23:38.11 | marstewel | n/m |
| 23:38.13 | LightVision | marstewel: im male and i dont like advances by other males |
| 23:38.15 | Guerin | marstewel: LightVision is just sensitive |
| 23:38.20 | abrotman | marstewel: she's a known troll |
| 23:38.28 | Guerin | LightVision: oh, funny, last month you were female |
| 23:38.37 | thc | hahahaha |
| 23:38.45 | Guerin | still wondering why it hasn't been banned yet |
| 23:38.45 | thc | qotd that shit |
| 23:38.46 | witless | LightVision: you sure look cute in those tight jeans. |
| 23:38.53 | marstewel | lol |
| 23:38.57 | LightVision | boy, come here to learn Debian and I get hit on by a guy |
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| 23:39.14 | Guerin | !witless++ # non-gender-specific flirtation for the non-gender-specific troll |
| 23:39.20 | LightVision | marstewel: I like women, not guys , so give it up |
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| 23:39.28 | abrotman | LightVision: you're a lesbian ? |
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| 23:39.30 | castlerock | anyone? |
| 23:39.34 | marstewel | LightVision: I have no interest in you ;) |
| 23:39.36 | witless | man, that's pretty specific |
| 23:39.40 | Guerin | LightVision: how do you know marstewel is a guy? |
| 23:39.53 | iamsthitha | dar! |
| 23:40.03 | iamsthitha | how do I tell it to update my display drivers? |
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| 23:40.23 | jim | Guerin: not proof, but statitistics L:) |
| 23:40.27 | abrotman | :guerin++ |
| 23:40.30 | witless | speaking of gender-bending, i'm going to cry like a little girl if i can't figure out why hotplug isn't setting permissions on my usb camera after i plug it in |
| 23:40.32 | abrotman | !guerin++ |
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| 23:40.35 | iamsthitha | or force a resolution? |
| 23:40.49 | abrotman | witless: are you part of that group? |
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| 23:41.13 | jim | you say you forced a resolu tionnnnn wellll you know |
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| 23:41.21 | Guerin | !tell iamsthitha about set up x |
| 23:41.31 | Drakh_ | how do I control the sequence of runlevel scripts within a runlevel |
| 23:41.31 | thc | iamsthitha: if you only want one resolution, reconfigure X and only select the one you want |
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| 23:41.34 | Drakh_ | ie run level 3 |
| 23:41.38 | abrotman | Damn It Jim, you can't sing! |
| 23:41.42 | witless | abrotman: yes - if i set group ownership to "camera" for /proc/bus/usb/<etc>, everything works fine. it seems usb.agent is not getting executed when i plug in the cam. |
| 23:41.43 | SammyTheSnake | thc: I got a line from chkrootkit that looks interesting, what do you think "eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/usr/sbin/dhcpd[3811])" means? is that normal? |
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| 23:41.48 | abrotman | Drakh_: update-rc.d is one way |
| 23:41.51 | jim | how do you know :)_ |
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| 23:42.01 | abrotman | witless: erm .. |
| 23:42.01 | jim | but it's more or less true |
| 23:42.02 | Guerin | Drakh_: read the documentation in /user/share/doc/sysvinit/ |
| 23:42.09 | EdLin | Drakh_: Debian uses run levels by default different than other distros |
| 23:42.12 | iamsthitha | thc, how do I do that? |
| 23:42.15 | thc | SammyTheSnake: do you have any packet sniffers installed? |
| 23:42.24 | thc | !drx |
| 23:42.24 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:42.33 | SammyTheSnake | thc: err, maybe. I'll check |
| 23:42.41 | iamsthitha | thc, I dont have drx |
| 23:42.46 | iamsthitha | or drxx |
| 23:42.52 | thc | dude, listen to dpkg. |
| 23:42.52 | iamsthitha | oh |
| 23:42.53 | abrotman | witless: hotplug says it should ? |
| 23:42.59 | iamsthitha | ok :) |
| 23:43.01 | Drakh_ | why is this way preferred to just putting yoru commands in rc.local |
| 23:43.04 | jim | dpkg: are you making any sounds? |
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| 23:43.11 | Guerin | !rc.local |
| 23:43.11 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | Guerin: at least you got her to shut up :) |
| 23:43.23 | Drakh_ | lol |
| 23:43.25 | ultraviolet16 | hey everyone, forgot the dpkg command to reconfigure a package, what was it again? |
| 23:43.31 | thc | dinner time! |
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| 23:43.44 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 23:43.46 | lakcaj | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:43.48 | abrotman | thc: you're always eating |
| 23:43.58 | abrotman | i suspect it has somehting to do with THC |
| 23:43.59 | jim | munchies |
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| 23:44.07 | thc | abortmodem: weed does that to you |
| 23:44.08 | ultraviolet16 | lakcaj: thanks a lot |
| 23:44.15 | Tortel | hmm, is there a way to make debian automaticly run alsaconf at bootup? |
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| 23:44.23 | thc | :D |
| 23:44.26 | Guerin | Tortel: unnecessary |
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| 23:44.41 | Tortel | well, i dont have sound until I run alsaconf |
| 23:44.47 | Tortel | kernel 2.6.8 |
| 23:44.52 | Guerin | Tortel: blacklist your oss modules |
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| 23:44.58 | Guerin | !blacklist |
| 23:44.58 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 23:45.19 | witless | abrotman: i thought that's what hotplug calls when a usb device gets plugged in |
| 23:45.31 | Guerin | Tortel: all alsa modules start with snd- |
| 23:45.37 | Tortel | ok |
| 23:45.42 | marstewel | witless: you dont need hotplug if you want usb-support, theres also usbmgr |
| 23:45.56 | witless | marstewel: ok, but should it work? |
| 23:46.04 | marstewel | usbmgr works |
| 23:46.09 | abrotman | i use usbmgr i think |
| 23:46.16 | witless | what's default in unstable? |
| 23:46.22 | marstewel | hotplug probably |
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| 23:46.26 | Guerin | yep |
| 23:46.34 | Drakh_ | !runlevel |
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| 23:46.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 23:46.39 | Guerin | or udev, nowadays |
| 23:46.39 | Bushito | whats a keyboard varitan?. and what should i put on it?? |
| 23:46.45 | jim | nothing is default in unstable... what's present today might be ousted tomorrow! |
| 23:46.47 | Drakh_ | !runlevels |
| 23:46.47 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 23:46.47 | Bushito | variant* |
| 23:46.53 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 23:46.53 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 23:46.57 | Guerin | Bushito: ^^^ |
| 23:47.04 | marstewel | putting 0 as initdefault is good, right? :P |
| 23:47.09 | SammyTheSnake | can anyone recommend an IRC room dedicated to intrusion detection and postmortem and stuff? |
| 23:47.12 | eXa_bOy | ssh installed by default? |
| 23:47.20 | Drakh_ | no |
| 23:47.22 | marstewel | stupid simulator errors... |
| 23:47.26 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: sarge, yes |
| 23:47.30 | Drakh_ | well not in my case... i do manual package install |
| 23:47.34 | Guerin | SammyTheSnake: #security |
| 23:47.58 | eXa_bOy | its not cause i cannt connect :( connection refused |
| 23:48.09 | Bushito | Guerin, ??? |
| 23:48.18 | isosteles | SammyTheSnake, what is postmortem? Is it the last fase of the PSP? |
| 23:48.32 | witless | waaaaah.... |
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| 23:48.37 | krumn_ | hi |
| 23:48.51 | isosteles | krumn_, hi |
| 23:48.57 | krumn_ | why when i run nmap, my irc client disconnect? |
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| 23:49.39 | linuxnewbie | hello there |
| 23:49.43 | SammyTheSnake | Guerin: thanks |
| 23:49.50 | isosteles | linuxnewbie, hello |
| 23:50.02 | jades | how do i switch my window manager to wireframe? |
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| 23:50.18 | Tortel | !tell me about backlist |
| 23:50.27 | Spiritory | I have a .psd in a .zip on my floppy, i managed to mount it but could anyone tell me how to extract it into a dir? |
| 23:50.31 | Spiritory | from the floppy * |
| 23:50.36 | linuxnewbie | im installing debian sarge ive downloaded 1-7 and the rest are in progress does 1-7 enough to install debian? |
| 23:50.50 | Spiritory | from /mnt/floppy/site2.zip to /home/spiritory/web |
| 23:50.54 | Spiritory | :( |
| 23:50.55 | jim | you don't need any cds at all |
| 23:51.07 | marstewel | linuxnewbie: iso 1 would be sufficient (or a area of it) |
| 23:51.12 | marstewel | netinst |
| 23:51.35 | SammyTheSnake | iostream: postmortem is an examination after death (a.k.a. autopsy) |
| 23:51.56 | linuxnewbie | hmmm? well im just starting out with debian does 1-7 enough to install the x-window system? |
| 23:52.00 | Spiritory | anyone? It's for a web project |
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| 23:52.23 | thc | linuxnewbie: you have a network? |
| 23:52.29 | linuxnewbie | yep |
| 23:52.36 | thc | why are you downloading all of those then? |
| 23:52.47 | thc | you can install Sarge from a 40mb iso |
| 23:52.57 | marstewel | thc: not usually |
| 23:53.03 | thc | uh, ok? |
| 23:53.04 | linuxnewbie | well i dont wait a long to time to download |
| 23:53.18 | Bushito | whats keyboard variant T_T??, i dont got google to google for it =) |
| 23:53.19 | jim | linuxnewbie: you have an -awful- lot of stuff, it's very likely that you have everything you need for a very long time |
| 23:53.28 | thc | marstewel: please explain to me what the business card sized iso is for then. |
| 23:53.36 | jim | Two_Tone? |
| 23:53.38 | linuxnewbie | hhmmm? |
| 23:53.40 | marstewel | thc: not every drive can read it ;) |
| 23:53.41 | Rich43 | Im getting this error when running tightvncserver, http://pastebin.com/395935 Anyone know what I can do to fix it? |
| 23:53.47 | Rich43 | ? |
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| 23:53.52 | thc | good point |
| 23:53.57 | thc | but rare. |
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| 23:54.40 | gammal | hello...i need some help in configuring bind9...anyone? |
| 23:54.43 | linuxnewbie | ok thnx alot |
| 23:54.58 | Rich43 | gammal, try webmin :) |
| 23:55.02 | abrotman | Rich43: install fonts |
| 23:55.06 | abrotman | gammal: use vi |
| 23:55.10 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 23:55.10 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 23:55.28 | Rich43 | abrotman, What package does it need? |
| 23:55.29 | abrotman | gammal: ask #dns for some tutorial/docs |
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| 23:55.33 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 23:55.33 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 23:55.36 | marstewel | lame web-based interface is the perfect description ;) |
| 23:56.00 | Rich43 | !fontfix |
| 23:56.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, fontfix is that some people have been having problems with XFree 4.0.x; if you have xfonts-base installed, but it still can't find the "fixed" font, ask me about "install xf4" and make sure /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc is in your font path. ask me about fonts.alias, or don't forget to restart xfs, or ask about fixedfont, or ask about "squares" |
| 23:56.07 | gammal | thanks |
| 23:56.20 | witless | !why-my-hotplug-be-suckin |
| 23:56.25 | marstewel | restart x? |
| 23:56.31 | marstewel | hmm... |
| 23:56.39 | marstewel | is that actually *really* required ? |
| 23:56.50 | marstewel | cant you make use of fp +? |
| 23:56.51 | abrotman | marstewel: to register the fonts .. probably |
| 23:56.56 | Rich43 | !install xf4 |
| 23:56.57 | dpkg | i heard install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 23:57.08 | marstewel | abrotman: you dont need to restart to reg the fonts AFAIK |
| 23:57.11 | abrotman | Rich43: you're going too far ... |
| 23:57.14 | Rich43 | lol |
| 23:57.26 | abrotman | RichiH: just install the xfonts-base or whatever the first one said |
| 23:57.27 | terrencevak | lakcaj: OK, looks like I have done some installs since the testing entries were made. Should I just switch all the sources to testing then? |
| 23:57.31 | Rich43 | nice channel by the way :P |
| 23:57.32 | ke6isf | !tell Rich43 -about msg the bot |
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| 23:57.53 | ke6isf | gammal: What kind of configuration are you looking for? |
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| 23:58.35 | Tortel | i need someone to check this |
| 23:58.36 | Tortel | http://channels.debian.net/paste/915 |
| 23:58.58 | Tortel | my windows partition isnt mounting, bot sure of the error |
| 23:59.03 | RichiH | abrotman: sir, yes, sir! |
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| 23:59.35 | Drakh_ | according to /etc/inittab, runlevel 2 is what debian boots into... what are 3, 4, and 5 for? |
| 23:59.39 | nodus | any one have any experience with the program called splashy |
| 23:59.51 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 23:59.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:59.53 | gammal | ke6isf, i have a few machines on a lan, and i want one of them to be the master dns for them, snd forward other requests |
| 23:59.57 | marstewel | !runlevel |
| 23:59.57 | dpkg | runlevel is probably 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
