| 00:00.17 | palmax | whitehorse1, I'm downloiding it |
| 00:00.32 | whitehorse1 | Ponders.. I think the Debian wiki would've been easier to update for users had it used MediaWiki as its backend instead of MoinMoin. |
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| 00:01.36 | sylvisj | !nvidia oneliner |
| 00:01.49 | sylvisj | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:01.49 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:01.52 | whitehorse1 | Users would've had access to existing Firefox extensions, wouldn't be looking sadly at CamelCase too. :( |
| 00:02.06 | palmax | !ati one-liner |
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| 00:02.27 | dspstv | is it possible to build only one kernel module in the kernel sources withouth having to make the whole kernel again? |
| 00:02.32 | sylvisj | Now all I need is a floppy. |
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| 00:04.24 | FarrisG | I need a way to extract/create an image file from an audio cd that I can then use with k3b AND nero to burn. Basically, I've made a CD and I need to duplicate it 200 times |
| 00:04.45 | FarrisG | It's for a wedding, so we're just going to use 6 machines at a time and get it done quickly |
| 00:05.02 | sylvisj | Make an ISO and repeatedly burn it... |
| 00:05.31 | caphuso | sylvisj: try again |
| 00:05.39 | FarrisG | sylvisj: How do you make an ISO of an audio cd??? There's no ISO filesystem there |
| 00:05.44 | caphuso | FarrisG: simply copy the .wav files over |
| 00:05.55 | caphuso | both k3b and nero can handle those |
| 00:06.09 | sylvisj | Normal audio CD's have the music embedded... you can make an ISO image of it. |
| 00:06.15 | caphuso | sylvisj: bullshit |
| 00:06.23 | sylvisj | Heard of the late CloneCD? |
| 00:06.32 | caphuso | there is no iso9660 filesystem anywhere on a regular audio CD |
| 00:06.34 | sylvisj | It's old. But that's what it did. |
| 00:06.37 | sylvisj | Caphuso, I know. |
| 00:06.38 | alchem | FarrisG, not at all sure about that, but " cat /dev/cdrom > /tmp/weddingcd.iso " might work (only tested that with data cd's) |
| 00:06.45 | Morti | !debootstrap |
| 00:06.46 | dpkg | debootstrap is probably <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 00:06.47 | caphuso | sylvisj: so, it's impossible to make an iso image |
| 00:06.52 | sylvisj | The extensions were named .iso |
| 00:07.02 | Harzilein | alchem is making the same mistake as sylvisj |
| 00:07.07 | FarrisG | sylvisj: CloneCD does not create an ISO. It creates a "CCD" which is definitely not in a formate recognized by the International Standards Organization :) |
| 00:07.08 | zinx | sylvisj: normal audio CDs have sectors of raw 2352 byte blocks of audio, and their boundaries are only defined by the TOC |
| 00:07.11 | Harzilein | calling "images" "isos" |
| 00:07.28 | sylvisj | Farris, my bad. Can't remember what old proggie it was, but it made ISO's of audio CD's. |
| 00:07.35 | caphuso | sylvisj: no, it didn't |
| 00:07.51 | caphuso | that'd be a very stupid thing to do |
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| 00:08.01 | mwilson | Impossible, besides. |
| 00:08.08 | sylvisj | Back. My fcking IRC keeps locking. |
| 00:08.12 | Harzilein | i think having just one file is not the primary objective here |
| 00:08.13 | sylvisj | Damn AcidMax. |
| 00:08.24 | sylvisj | Harzilein is probably right. I must be mistaking them. |
| 00:08.45 | Harzilein | if it needs to be gapless, you'd want some information alongside the wavs |
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| 00:08.54 | shad0w1e | question: How do I copy an entire partition? |
| 00:08.59 | shad0w1e | (onto another drive) |
| 00:09.08 | FarrisG | The primary objective is to have a simple way to copy an image of an audio CD to 6 different machines so that I can have 6 different places to duplicate |
| 00:09.10 | Harzilein | but basically it is just the wavs and the right call to cdrecord/whatever |
| 00:09.14 | sylvisj | Omg I just downloaded a program to do that, shad0w1e |
| 00:09.16 | sylvisj | Umm... |
| 00:09.24 | shad0w1e | why do I need a program? |
| 00:09.25 | caphuso | FarrisG: that's easily solved by copying the original .wav files |
| 00:09.28 | sylvisj | It's on my AMD64 ccomputer. |
| 00:09.31 | Harzilein | FarrisG: but you could also copy the tracks themselves |
| 00:09.36 | caphuso | since you can just burn those directly to disk |
| 00:09.40 | Harzilein | FarrisG: nothing fancy involved |
| 00:09.41 | sylvisj | It's a type of partition editor... can't remember the name. |
| 00:09.47 | sylvisj | Bootng or something. |
| 00:10.15 | sylvisj | Boot Next Generation... think it is bootng. |
| 00:10.36 | shad0w1e | i cant do it with a simple linux command? |
| 00:10.43 | sylvisj | Wouldn't know. |
| 00:10.50 | caphuso | shad0w1e: cp |
| 00:11.00 | shad0w1e | caphuso, yes? |
| 00:11.02 | shad0w1e | that copies a file |
| 00:11.07 | caphuso | shad0w1e: so? |
| 00:11.08 | sylvisj | Caphuso, cp <drive> <drive>? |
| 00:11.15 | SimonRaven | it copies, period |
| 00:11.19 | caphuso | sylvisj: that's one way |
| 00:11.20 | shad0w1e | hmm |
| 00:11.22 | shad0w1e | I used dd |
| 00:11.28 | shad0w1e | and my target drive is all screwed now |
| 00:11.39 | sylvisj | Try CP <drive> <drive> |
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| 00:11.41 | SimonRaven | man cp |
| 00:11.42 | shad0w1e | do the partitions have to be exactly the same size? |
| 00:11.43 | caphuso | well, that happens when you mess with low level stuff you don't understand |
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| 00:11.51 | caphuso | shad0w1e: no |
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| 00:11.58 | caphuso | the target one can be larger |
| 00:12.00 | shad0w1e | nice, |
| 00:12.04 | sylvisj | Shadow, if the one you're copying to is screwed, format it, then CP <drive><drive> |
| 00:12.05 | FarrisG | The problem with individual wav files is that I then have to configure Nero on the windows boxes not to add the pre-gap, since I've already got the timing the way I want it on the current disc. |
| 00:12.09 | SimonRaven | CP command doesn't exist |
| 00:12.11 | vicCodd | spanish |
| 00:12.17 | vicCodd | ¿?? |
| 00:12.19 | shad0w1e | cp /mnt/hda1 /mnt/hda2 |
| 00:12.22 | shad0w1e | would work? |
| 00:12.25 | SimonRaven | @spanish |
| 00:12.26 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
| 00:12.28 | sylvisj | Farris. Burn one cd with the linux one. Have the windows boxes make exact copies of it. |
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| 00:12.50 | shad0w1e | I also screwed my entire other C drive with the dd command |
| 00:12.56 | shad0w1e | none of the partitions come up anymore |
| 00:12.59 | sylvisj | shad0w1e, don't use dd..... |
| 00:13.03 | shad0w1e | anyone know anything about THAT? |
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| 00:13.10 | shad0w1e | I did it to replace the MBR |
| 00:13.14 | SimonRaven | man dd does |
| 00:13.20 | sylvisj | *sigh* Why did you alter the MBR? |
| 00:13.33 | shad0w1e | I wanted my MBR to be windows |
| 00:13.40 | sylvisj | . . . . |
| 00:13.46 | shad0w1e | once I got my linux MBR into an image file |
| 00:13.52 | shad0w1e | which btw workes sweetly |
| 00:13.59 | shad0w1e | (using dd) |
| 00:14.00 | sylvisj | Ok. Dude. |
| 00:14.02 | sylvisj | Grub. |
| 00:14.06 | sylvisj | That's all you need. |
| 00:14.13 | zinx | shad0w1e: your MBR contains the partition table. |
| 00:14.18 | sylvisj | Exactly. |
| 00:14.19 | shad0w1e | none of the partitions are coming up |
| 00:14.25 | shad0w1e | what do i do |
| 00:14.27 | sylvisj | shad0w1e, it's because you murdered your MBR. |
| 00:14.31 | shad0w1e | ok, |
| 00:14.31 | zinx | shad0w1e: by overwriting the MBR, you have completely utterly annihilated your partition table. |
| 00:14.38 | aurax | hi, is there a simple way to create an automated backup to a external usb drive |
| 00:14.38 | nvz | use gpart |
| 00:14.40 | shad0w1e | well, is all lost |
| 00:14.41 | zinx | shad0w1e: You Lose. |
| 00:14.41 | shad0w1e | or not |
| 00:14.48 | sylvisj | shad0w1e, there is still one possible option. |
| 00:14.57 | sylvisj | shad0w1e, use a program called bootng. |
| 00:14.57 | nvz | shad0w1e: use gpart |
| 00:14.59 | sylvisj | I'll find it for you |
| 00:15.03 | sylvisj | Gpart would probably work as well |
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| 00:15.24 | shad0w1e | I had three image files on the partition |
| 00:15.29 | shad0w1e | which were a copy of my mbr |
| 00:15.35 | shad0w1e | one of the murdered partition |
| 00:15.39 | shad0w1e | if I could somehow get that |
| 00:15.42 | shad0w1e | and put it onto my mbr |
| 00:15.59 | nvz | shad0w1e: gpart |
| 00:16.13 | nvz | your partitions are not dead, your partition table is. |
| 00:16.18 | shad0w1e | nvz, |
| 00:16.25 | nvz | gpart will fix it in a matter of seconds |
| 00:16.31 | shad0w1e | automaticaly? |
| 00:16.33 | shad0w1e | nyce! |
| 00:16.38 | nvz | no you have to run it :P |
| 00:16.46 | wOOt | lol |
| 00:16.55 | nvz | heh |
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| 00:17.24 | sylvisj | http://www.bootitng.com/downloads/bootitng.zip - use that to manage your partitions from now on. Don't edit the MBR yourself. |
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| 00:17.38 | shad0w1e | i was unaware that the partition table was in the mbr |
| 00:17.51 | shad0w1e | I dd'd the br from one of the partitions onto the mbr |
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| 00:18.01 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 00:18.02 | fas3r_ | hi all |
| 00:18.07 | sylvisj | And ))=====)'d the MBR in the process. |
| 00:18.09 | shad0w1e | then after I dd'd the boot partition from the linux live CD |
| 00:18.11 | shad0w1e | onto my mbr |
| 00:18.12 | shad0w1e | lol |
| 00:18.21 | adamb100 | hey homiz was shakin |
| 00:18.22 | shad0w1e | yes now I realize that |
| 00:18.23 | shad0w1e | lol |
| 00:18.26 | shad0w1e | im gonna try those programs |
| 00:18.28 | shad0w1e | gpart mainly |
| 00:18.31 | shad0w1e | thanks for your help! |
| 00:18.50 | shad0w1e | you know whats nice about a linux live CD? |
| 00:18.53 | shad0w1e | umount -a |
| 00:19.00 | shad0w1e | and hit the POWER on your box |
| 00:19.04 | fas3r_ | do you know if they are a shareware for rescue bad burn cd .. |
| 00:19.05 | shad0w1e | no shutting down |
| 00:19.25 | shad0w1e | cya peeps |
| 00:19.31 | shad0w1e | thanks a LOT |
| 00:19.32 | adamb100 | I got something to tell yall :P |
| 00:19.32 | shad0w1e | for the help |
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| 00:20.53 | adamb100 | ig? |
| 00:22.08 | mwilson | shad0w1e: Why is that nice? |
| 00:22.10 | adamb100 | Ohh ignore, well that won't be needed. I'm not here to flame this great distro :p |
| 00:22.34 | SimonRaven | no, my first thought was some spam, or other such nonsense |
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| 00:23.19 | SimonRaven | but anyway, what's so hot that it couldn't wait? |
| 00:23.54 | adamb100 | lol, my question is where did the idea of apt-get come from? |
| 00:24.02 | aurax | is there a backup server-client solution so my clients could backup their server using windows? |
| 00:24.20 | beardy | aurax: apt-cache search backup |
| 00:24.26 | aurax | oh really |
| 00:24.30 | aurax | now thats a wise answer |
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| 00:24.48 | beardy | oh, one of those |
| 00:24.49 | aurax | you go and do that for me will ya :) |
| 00:24.58 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 00:25.05 | aurax | *fart* |
| 00:25.09 | SimonRaven | adamb100: originally it was a proof of concept, that developped into this way to fetch and install packages. originally there was only dpkg |
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| 00:26.11 | SimonRaven | !plonk |
| 00:26.11 | dpkg | it has been said that plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore lis alsot or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 00:26.13 | Dillovic | wow so many users |
| 00:26.19 | caphuso | SimonRaven: no, there was dselect |
| 00:26.25 | Dillovic | hello everyone |
| 00:26.28 | SimonRaven | oh, that's true |
| 00:26.41 | Dillovic | can anybody read this? |
| 00:26.47 | Dillovic | or am i also blacklisted in this room |
| 00:26.48 | Dillovic | lmao |
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| 00:27.00 | azeem | Dillovic: you are not |
| 00:27.04 | Dillovic | ok cool |
| 00:27.06 | Dillovic | are you an admin? |
| 00:27.09 | SimonRaven | !plonk ~= s/lis alsot/list or/ |
| 00:27.22 | SimonRaven | !plonk =~ s/lis alsot/list or/ |
| 00:27.22 | dpkg | SimonRaven: OK |
| 00:27.35 | bob2 | Dillovic: if you have a Debian question, it's easier if you just ask it |
| 00:27.39 | azeem | Dillovic: no. Do you have any specific question? |
| 00:27.41 | SimonRaven | Dillovic: admin of what? |
| 00:27.46 | Dillovic | what is debian? |
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| 00:27.52 | sylvisj | . . . |
| 00:27.54 | azeem | Dillovic: www.debian.org |
| 00:27.55 | sylvisj | www.debian.org |
| 00:27.56 | Dillovic | i dont know admin of a irc room like this one |
| 00:28.00 | beardy | !tell Dillovic -about debian |
| 00:28.02 | sylvisj | Azeem beat me to it. |
| 00:28.04 | beardy | !room |
| 00:28.04 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 00:28.18 | nimak | wtf |
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| 00:28.23 | adamb100 | Debian is a distro. One of the 1st distros ever |
| 00:28.25 | Dillovic | yeah well then channel |
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| 00:28.31 | Dillovic | what is a distro |
| 00:28.31 | sylvisj | One of the first and most evolved. |
| 00:28.33 | bob2 | 10:28:21 [OPN] ---| Dillovic [n=AZ2304@83-65-242-219.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] |
| 00:28.33 | azeem | Dillovic: this is a technical channel about the Debian GNU/Linux system, not a general IRC help channel |
| 00:28.35 | Dillovic | i know bistro but not distro |
| 00:28.36 | bob2 | 10:28:21 [OPN] ---| ircname : PircBot 1.2.5 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org |
| 00:28.37 | nimak | why'd they start calling kernel-image |
| 00:28.38 | sylvisj | Distrobution of linux. |
| 00:28.48 | sylvisj | Dillovic... are you here for Debian or IRC? |
| 00:28.50 | SimonRaven | adamb100: not quite. one of the first ones to make sense ;) |
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| 00:28.53 | Dillovic | bob why do you publish my ip like that? |
| 00:28.55 | SimonRaven | 'distribution' |
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| 00:29.01 | sylvisj | Sorry, Simon. |
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| 00:29.13 | sylvisj | Thx, Bob2 |
| 00:29.15 | SimonRaven | np, common mistake |
| 00:29.17 | beardy | Dillovic: "distro" is an abbreviation for "distribution" |
| 00:29.28 | sylvisj | Beardy: He was kicked. |
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| 00:29.37 | beardy | Yes, I noticed. |
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| 00:30.07 | sylvisj | Ok. Doing my nvidia one line. Might be back, might not. |
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| 00:30.20 | shad0w2e | someone said I should use gpart..... |
| 00:30.30 | shad0w2e | how do I use it? |
| 00:30.37 | SimonRaven | man gpart |
| 00:30.39 | beardy | But when I spent my time writing an answer, felt like hitting Enter in this case could be as good as hitting Backspace, for a longer period of time. |
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| 00:30.48 | bob2 | beardy: ctrl-u! |
| 00:31.16 | beardy | bob2: Thanks. Didn't know that irssi had that. |
| 00:31.42 | azeem | it's readline, AFAIK |
| 00:31.45 | shad0w2e | oh I run it with no options... |
| 00:31.49 | beardy | bob2: (but I should have been able to guess it perhaps) |
| 00:32.12 | aurax | so anyone knows of a good network backup system? |
| 00:32.14 | beardy | azeem: Yes, I didn't know that irssi used readline then. |
| 00:32.32 | azeem | well, not sure... I thought it was but haven't checked |
| 00:33.10 | wOOt | aurax, amanda? |
| 00:34.08 | legind | hey there, I'm trying to get the gnome panel transparency working, but some elements insist on opacity. any suggestions? |
| 00:34.47 | SimonRaven | #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:34.47 | magyar | is there a module for "Integrated Technology Express, Inc" in 2.6.X kernels? |
| 00:34.54 | legind | thanks |
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| 00:35.00 | beardy | magyar: What is it? |
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| 00:35.10 | shad0w2e | gpart is taking forever.... |
| 00:35.26 | magyar | beardy, ide-scsi controler |
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| 00:37.46 | vicCodd | español |
| 00:37.52 | shad0w2e | ok gpart guessed all good, but then it didnt actually rewrite my MBR! |
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| 00:38.22 | palmax | @spanish |
| 00:38.23 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
| 00:38.37 | vicCodd | what is spanish channel |
| 00:38.48 | beardy | vicCodd: Right above you. |
| 00:39.17 | beardy | vicCodd: /join #debian-es |
| 00:40.20 | Mortalman | Anyone know how to add MP3 encoding support to ffmpeg ? |
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| 00:42.30 | shad0w2e | ah -W |
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| 00:45.23 | deadcat | does mount handle fuse? |
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| 00:48.02 | tux | Hi |
| 00:48.22 | beardy | deadcat: fuse? |
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| 00:48.59 | underdog | 'evening everyone. is anyone having issues with mysql? |
| 00:49.29 | mwilson | underdog: As usual, people have to guess what it is that you think you mean by "issues"? |
| 00:49.33 | underdog | regarding the socket |
| 00:49.38 | underdog | sorry mwilson |
| 00:49.40 | mwilson | Oh, not this again. |
| 00:50.02 | mwilson | Same as last time you were going on about this... the socket doesn't exist if the server isn't running. |
| 00:50.16 | underdog | you must be confusing me with someone else |
| 00:50.20 | mwilson | I doubt it. |
| 00:50.34 | underdog | either way, I'm trying to _start_ the server |
| 00:51.03 | mwilson | Anyway, the init is complaining about not being able to find the socket because the server didn't start. It's a *symptom*, not the problem. Fix why the server didn't start. |
| 00:51.48 | underdog | oh, it's missing tables |
| 00:52.13 | Mortalman | Why would apt-get upgrade say "The following packages have been kept back: ffmpeg" ?? |
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| 00:53.44 | Mortalman | nevermind, install fixed it somehow. lol |
| 00:53.46 | gozz | could someone tell me a good graphical ftp client simillar to flash fxp? |
| 00:53.46 | tux | exit |
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| 00:54.25 | wOOt | gozz, IglooFTP |
| 00:54.25 | caphuso | Mortalman: i think you want to read about what "apt-get upgrade" actually does in the apt docs |
| 00:54.32 | underdog | mwilson: got it. thanks!! |
| 00:55.09 | gozz | thanks |
| 00:55.19 | wOOt | np |
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| 00:55.35 | creyato | This channel blows. |
| 00:55.37 | Mortalman | caphuso: Well, a normaly safe assuption of it would be "upgrade currently installed apps". Is this not correct? |
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| 00:55.42 | mwilson | I swear, I'm going to file a bug against mysql-server that says the init should be changed to say "hey, stupid, I can't find the socket, so the server didn't start!" |
| 00:55.51 | beardy | creyato: At least you didn't say room. |
| 00:55.59 | caphuso | Mortalman: no, it misses the "except when ..." part |
| 00:56.00 | metaperl | i'm looking for a nice mp3/ogg player (graphical) amarok is what I nromally use, but I'm tired of it hanging on me |
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| 00:56.23 | beardy | metaperl: xmms |
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| 00:56.25 | nvz | I tried to dpkg -i a deb earlier with unmet dependencies, how to I tell it I dont want to install it anymore, so I can apt-get things? |
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| 00:56.34 | mwilson | 'cause all the way it works NOW does is confuse people. |
| 00:56.41 | mwilson | dpkg -e |
| 00:56.42 | dpkg | -2.718281828459 |
| 00:56.49 | mwilson | <snicker> |
| 00:56.51 | caphuso | heh |
| 00:56.51 | metaperl | beardy: I dont find that one so browseable... but I'll try it again |
| 00:56.53 | nvz | heh |
| 00:57.02 | beardy | !find xmms |
| 00:57.04 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xmms' (15 of 70): gaim-xmms-remote ;; gxmms-bmp ;; gxmms-common ;; gxmms-xmms ;; libxmms-perl ;; libxmms-ruby ;; logjam-xmms ;; python-xmms ;; python-xmms-doc ;; python2.2-xmms ;; python2.3-xmms ;; python2.4-xmms ;; pyxmms-remote ;; rep-xmms ;; sawfish-xmms. |
| 00:57.31 | Rockett18 | !find bmpx |
| 00:57.41 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bmpx' returned no results. |
| 00:58.28 | mwilson | bmp is just gtk2 xmms, with still all the fun xmms brokennesses. |
| 00:58.39 | beardy | metaperl: The package is called xmms. |
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| 00:58.52 | metaperl | does anyone know what the "soma suite" is? |
| 00:58.55 | alekzandr | i have a colocated server that just had debian sarge installed on a new hd, the old dead debian install is on the old drive hdc, how can i look at what packages were installed on the old install to duplicate that config? |
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| 00:59.05 | omp | Bohemian: :) |
| 00:59.08 | metaperl | beardy: I use gnome, was looking a gxmms |
| 00:59.10 | Bohemian | :) |
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| 00:59.15 | metaperl | soma suite has something called somaplayer |
| 00:59.26 | Bohemian | is anyone interested in learning about the true gospel of jesus christ of later day saints? |
| 00:59.28 | Bohemian | im all ears |
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| 00:59.29 | caphuso | alekzandr: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 00:59.33 | beardy | wtf |
| 00:59.36 | Bohemian | id love to talk to you brothers and sisters |
| 00:59.45 | Bohemian | beardy: im doing a mission |
| 00:59.49 | Bohemian | a calling from God |
| 00:59.52 | nvz | bah I am in a broken state :P |
| 00:59.59 | caphuso | Bohemian: religion is off topic in here. consider yourself warned |
| 01:00.06 | christel | God calls for you to preach on irc? |
| 01:00.11 | Bohemian | caphuso: you can ban me but you cant ban God |
| 01:00.18 | SimonRaven | oh ffs |
| 01:00.18 | Bohemian | christel: everywhere is an opportunity |
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| 01:00.28 | beardy | Bohemian: Don't bet on it |
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| 01:01.59 | germangardener10 | what does ffs stand for ... for fuck's sake? |
| 01:02.04 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 01:02.09 | germangardener10 | k |
| 01:02.11 | alekzandr | caphuso: i can't run that command because that debian install is broken, the /var dir was missing, so I had to have a fresh install on a new hd, so the old hd is set up as primary, i have it mounted and can see the files, is there somewhere to look in /var//cache to see the installed packages |
| 01:02.14 | mwilson | Fast File System. :) |
| 01:02.19 | mwilson | !ffs |
| 01:02.19 | dpkg | hmm... ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 01:02.22 | germangardener10 | i know a reallly cool morman guy |
| 01:02.24 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 01:02.26 | aurax | faggots farts smells |
| 01:02.33 | aurax | mehhehhe |
| 01:02.38 | SimonRaven | @tell aurax -about gay |
| 01:02.47 | germangardener10 | he's also a drug dealer |
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| 01:02.52 | aurax | !tell SimonRaven -about gay |
| 01:02.53 | caphuso | alekzandr: if you no longer have /var, your best bet is gather the list of installed packages from /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 01:02.57 | aurax | not worky! |
| 01:03.01 | nvz | I tried installing this unofficial ltmodem-2.6.8-2-386 package earlier with dpkg -i and it had unmet deps of kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 .. I try apt-get remove it and it says "Could not identiy your distribution's way of automatically loading modules" and fails with status 1. How can I fix this? telling it I wanted to remove the package allows me to apt-get again, but it now causes it to always fail on removal of that package |
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| 01:03.16 | SimonRaven | i already know about it |
| 01:03.17 | aurax | <ravenbird> simonraven wants you to know: It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 01:03.21 | aurax | hehehehe |
| 01:03.21 | sylvisj | Anyone got step by step (no one-liners) for installing an Nvidia FX5500 on debian? |
| 01:03.22 | germangardener10 | maybe that's why he was cool... i have yet to meet a moramn who was cool just because they were a moram |
| 01:03.25 | aurax | projecting |
| 01:03.26 | aurax | hehe |
| 01:03.33 | aurax | i know what they get 'projected' tho hehe |
| 01:03.39 | beardy | sylvisj: No. |
| 01:03.39 | aurax | onto even |
| 01:03.44 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 01:03.50 | sylvisj | Anyone know where I acn find some? |
| 01:03.56 | mwilson | moram? |
| 01:04.03 | alekzandr | caphuso: /var was mostly missing before the new hard drive. now that the drive is installed as secondary, i can mount and see the /var partition fine, which is a complete source of confusion, but i can see the old /var now |
| 01:04.04 | mwilson | Perhaps you mean "Mormon"? |
| 01:04.08 | SimonRaven | aurax: just automatic reaction, we sometimes get homophobes here |
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| 01:04.21 | caphuso | alekzandr: do you have /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
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| 01:04.44 | nvz | or could someone at least tell me where to find the post-removal script for this package so I can hack it to cleanly remove :P |
| 01:04.45 | beardy | sylvisj: Try google, "Nvidia FX5500 debian howto" or similar. |
| 01:04.50 | alekzandr | caphuso: yes |
| 01:04.52 | sylvisj | Thanks. Trying now. |
| 01:04.54 | runedude | hey everyone.. just wondering.. im trying to make a tunnel connection to freenet6 for ipv6.. |
| 01:04.58 | runedude | its telling me to "modprobe tun |
| 01:05.03 | caphuso | nvz: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 01:05.03 | runedude | but i already did, and its not working |
| 01:05.35 | caphuso | alekzandr: then you're ready to go |
| 01:05.59 | beardy | !tell sylvisj -about nvidia-howto |
| 01:06.05 | alekzandr | caphuso: great, i just look through that file and install the ones that are there? |
| 01:06.10 | runedude | http://pastebin.com/388659 |
| 01:06.21 | caphuso | alekzandr: well, i'd rather get dpkg --get-selections working properly, but that would work too |
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| 01:06.42 | aurax | SimonRaven then we should add an tell user -about straight ! |
| 01:06.42 | sylvisj | Thx beardy. |
| 01:06.53 | runedude | anyone know? |
| 01:06.58 | alekzandr | caphuso: is there a more compact list somewhere? /var/lib/dpk/info is quite wordy |
| 01:07.04 | caphuso | alekzandr: nope |
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| 01:07.15 | alekzandr | ok, that will work then |
| 01:07.17 | nvz | caphuso: ty. who knows what I just caused by changing the exit 1, to exit 0 :P |
| 01:07.20 | alekzandr | thanks for your help |
| 01:07.22 | SimonRaven | aurax: heh |
| 01:07.38 | caphuso | nvz: you lied to dpkg about the return code of the postrm script |
| 01:07.42 | metaperl | beardy: I kinda like XMMS' minimalist look... and it definitely reminds me of Winamp... thanks for the rec |
| 01:07.58 | nvz | caphuso: yeah and it removed. but it may not have cleaned up properly |
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| 01:08.03 | caphuso | nvz: exactly |
| 01:08.12 | alekzandr | anyone have any ideas why /var might have mostly dissapeared, (only /var/run was present) after a reboot, but now that the drive is mounted in a fresh install i can see all of /var fine? |
| 01:08.16 | beardy | metaperl: No problem. There is also plugins for a lot of formats, and visualisations and so on. |
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| 01:09.46 | alekzandr | i am concerned this server was comprimised before the reinstall, are there any packages i can install to increase security? |
| 01:09.57 | runedude | http://pastebin.com/388659 , anyone know why after i type modprobe tun it still says i need to run that command? this is tspc (freenet6 ipv6 tunnel broker) |
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| 01:10.44 | dippo | so, I have a dumb question that some cursory googling has not answered: is there a "rescue" disk (or feature on the install disk) for Debian? |
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| 01:11.04 | beardy | alekzandr: Start with checking what you have installed, and remove packages first instead. |
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| 01:11.32 | alekzandr | beardy: this starts out with a really minimal install, just exim4 and ssh |
| 01:11.42 | dippo | i had a client that had three servers with hosed boot sectors from the woody->sarge upgrade and i fixed it the "hard" way (easier for me) by just booting up, mounting, chrooting and running lilo, but how would your average user do that? |
| 01:11.49 | beardy | dippo: Yes, "rescue", check the help screens when booting, F1 - F7 |
| 01:11.54 | zinx | alekzandr: what was your root password? |
| 01:12.09 | dippo | hm. okay. is there any documentation on this anywhere? |
| 01:12.10 | wOOt | lol |
| 01:12.11 | wilbertoki | anyone know how to pass a password along to adduer from a bash scripT? I've tried -p option which doesnt seem to be supported anymore as well as this line after the adduser command echo $LOGIN|passwd --stdin $LOGIN |
| 01:12.30 | alekzandr | zinx: a complex one |
| 01:12.33 | zinx | alekzandr: hmm |
| 01:12.44 | beardy | alekzandr: You don't have to tell us the password, but was it a strong one? If not, make sure all your users, and especially root, has good strong passwords. |
| 01:12.58 | dippo | wilbertoki: useradd can accept a password option, i believe |
| 01:13.04 | beardy | wilbertoki: Don't. |
| 01:13.21 | zinx | alekzandr: anyway, a common way for servers to get compromised is by the millions of drones out there brute forcing ssh passwords |
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| 01:13.26 | alekzandr | beardy: it was strong, long and a mix of letters and numbers, |
| 01:13.29 | runedude | no one? :( |
| 01:13.46 | zinx | alekzandr: but that's probably not the method used (if there was one) in your case |
| 01:13.47 | alekzandr | there really aren't any other users on the system it was a web and mail server |
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| 01:13.54 | vicCode | hlaa |
| 01:13.57 | vicCode | hola |
| 01:14.01 | shad0w1e | hey how do I copy an entire partition onto another partition, maintaining the date/time, and owner/group info ??? |
| 01:14.03 | beardy | alekzandr: With php? |
| 01:14.08 | wilbertoki | beardy: Im trying to makeo a script that adds unix user, samba user and adds line to /etc/fetchmail and /etc/aliases |
| 01:14.19 | alekzandr | i have clients running some php software, like drupal and zen-cart |
| 01:14.24 | vicCode | como |
| 01:14.33 | alekzandr | and zope and plone |
| 01:14.40 | beardy | wilbertoki: Ok, but having a password written down in a script in clear text is not a good idea. |
| 01:14.42 | vicCode | spanish |
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| 01:15.09 | beardy | alekzandr: Probably there you should check first then. |
| 01:15.09 | phrontist | how do I add contrib and nonfree to my source.list? |
| 01:15.13 | wOOt | alekzandr: disable root login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config :) |
| 01:15.16 | lepton | shad0w1e: I'd use rsync |
| 01:15.17 | caphuso | phrontist: man 5 sources.list |
| 01:15.21 | metaperl | I want to buy a video camera. where should I go to look for one linux (debian) compatible |
| 01:15.36 | vicCode | hola |
| 01:15.37 | vicCode | a |
| 01:15.46 | beardy | metaperl: #hardware ? Or google is probably better. |
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| 01:16.16 | SimonRaven | vicCode: you were already told earlier which channel. /join #debian-es |
| 01:16.24 | runedude | mm |
| 01:16.32 | notMyUserAccnt | quit |
| 01:16.38 | notMyUserAccnt | heh, sorry |
| 01:16.42 | wilbertoki | beardy: the password is not written in the script its a variable from a read command -- is that secure? |
| 01:16.44 | alekzandr | beardy: are there any special security steps for using php? |
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| 01:17.14 | runedude | no one knwos what the problem is? |
| 01:17.22 | zinx | alekzandr: if you do webhosting, know that it provides them with access to execute anything as the 'www' account |
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| 01:17.45 | zinx | alekzandr: so make sure your kernel isn't broke, and your don't have vulnerable suid apps laying around :) |
| 01:17.52 | zinx | s/your/you/ |
| 01:17.57 | beardy | alekzandr: Don't run it? Well, some phpsites have been known for having security holes and bugs, so I would be really careful with what I let people run, if I were you. |
| 01:18.14 | alekzandr | zinx: are there any default suid apps i need to change? |
| 01:18.22 | zinx | alekzandr: not if you stay up-to-date |
| 01:18.22 | magyar | if i do an "lspci" and see the hardware; does that mean the kernel module is loaded ? |
| 01:18.26 | runedude | whats the gif interface on debian? |
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| 01:18.51 | zinx | alekzandr: oh, note too that people will install vulnerable PHP scripts (there are so many of them), so you're pretty much giving the world access to www |
| 01:18.55 | alekzandr | beardy: i install all the apps that run on the server, noone has ftp/ssh/ access other than myself, and i try to run a very small set of apps |
| 01:18.56 | beardy | runedude: define "gif interface" please. |
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| 01:18.58 | xbmodder | how do I refer *.foo.xbmodder.us to another name server in named/bind? |
| 01:19.07 | runedude | dont know really, -i gif interface to use for tunnel_v6v4 |
| 01:19.09 | runedude | lol |
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| 01:19.19 | runedude | im just trying to get this ipv6 tunnel working |
| 01:19.21 | zinx | alekzandr: oh, not hosting for others then? |
| 01:19.26 | runedude | gives me random errors, i stated one earlier from a pastebin |
| 01:19.40 | runedude | http://pastebin.com/388659, so i thought that my setup was wrong |
| 01:19.55 | alekzandr | zinx: i host for others, but our service includes all installs and config, so noone touches the rserver other than myself |
| 01:20.03 | zinx | alekzandr: ah |
| 01:20.27 | runedude | i did modprobe tun several times, and it still didnt work.. so i cant figure out the problem |
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| 01:21.06 | alekzandr | i want to make sure this reinstall is squeaky clean, and as well protected as possible, which is one of the reasons i like debian stable |
| 01:21.22 | runedude | bleh, no one answers :( |
| 01:21.26 | beardy | runedude: What does that have to do with gif? |
| 01:21.34 | alekzandr | does anyone have any other suggestions to harden debian stable? |
| 01:21.36 | runedude | beardy: i was thinking the "gif" part was what i messed up |
| 01:21.42 | runedude | in the config |
| 01:21.45 | beardy | runedude: What gif part? |
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| 01:22.31 | alekzandr | before this problem happened, there was alot of traffic from china/asia |
| 01:22.50 | runedude | beardy: idk, it worked fine when i did this on freebsd, now on debian, its not working the same |
| 01:22.52 | zinx | alekzandr: selinux? :P |
| 01:22.58 | alekzandr | :-) |
| 01:23.11 | runedude | im just looking for things that could be the problem |
| 01:23.16 | beardy | alekzandr: have a look at the package harden, I don't know exactly what it does, and if it does it good though. |
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| 01:23.57 | runedude | do i need to enable any network devices for this to work? |
| 01:24.04 | runedude | modprobe should have done the trick, but its not apparently |
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| 01:24.56 | alekzandr | beardy: ok, thanks |
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| 01:25.34 | germangardener10 | what does modprobe do? |
| 01:25.51 | Rockett18 | !modprobe |
| 01:25.51 | dpkg | modprobe is, like, something you use to install modules with it |
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| 01:26.09 | Gnea | !tell germangardener10 about newbie-guide |
| 01:26.11 | Rockett18 | lol that was helpful |
| 01:26.18 | tux | hi |
| 01:26.22 | _HeKToR | !adsl |
| 01:26.22 | dpkg | adsl is probably (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line) This is a new technology just starting to come out that is the phone company's answer to cable modems. It supports data speeds over 2 Mbps downstream (to the user) and slower speeds upstream (to the Internet). This technology should eventually supplant ISDN if it ever comes down to a reasonable price point. |
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| 01:26.33 | _HeKToR | !bewan |
| 01:26.40 | sanxiyn | Eh, ADSL is a new technology? |
| 01:26.48 | Gnea | must be an oldie |
| 01:26.50 | mwilson | hardly. |
| 01:26.53 | rbd | is a java jdk available as part of the debian testing distribution (i.e. I need the signjar or the jarsigner binary and I can't find if there is a package that that file is offered in... packages.debian.org isn't helping) |
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| 01:27.50 | sanxiyn | rbd: Sun JDK provides jarsigner. No free ones provide it yet. |
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| 01:28.10 | sanxiyn | rbd: You want to /msg dpkg java-package |
| 01:28.10 | rbd | sanxiyn, okay, thanks |
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| 01:28.46 | rbd | just what I was looking for, thanks |
| 01:28.56 | SimonRaven | !factinfo adsl |
| 01:28.56 | dpkg | adsl -- it has been requested 41 times, last by _HeKToR, 2m 34s ago. |
| 01:29.10 | runedude | how can i setup the device /dev/net/tun ? |
| 01:29.12 | SimonRaven | eh... *old*. no date on it |
| 01:29.54 | sanxiyn | runedude: By loading "tun" module, I believe. |
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| 01:30.11 | runedude | i tried to |
| 01:30.15 | runedude | it still bugs me to load it |
| 01:30.30 | SimonRaven | runedude: you need tun module, and the device file. less <kernel source>/Documentation/devices.txt |
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| 01:30.56 | runedude | hm? |
| 01:31.10 | Gnea | SimonRaven: probably because i just tried to edit it and dpkg is throwing a fit |
| 01:31.29 | alekzandr | is there any preference between postfix and exim? |
| 01:31.30 | steigweis | should one shut down the machine with shutdown -h or init 0. what is the better way and why? |
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| 01:31.35 | Gnea | runedude: there's a mknod command for that |
| 01:31.35 | caphuso | alekzandr: personal |
| 01:31.44 | sylvisj | This is gonna sound REALLY stupid, but how do I delete and rename commands? |
| 01:31.45 | runedude | hmm |
| 01:31.49 | Gnea | steigweis: shutdown -h now |
| 01:31.51 | sylvisj | What commands delete and rename* |
| 01:32.00 | caphuso | sylvisj: rm and mv |
| 01:32.08 | sylvisj | Which does what? |
| 01:32.11 | alekzandr | caphuso: i have been running qmail for years, but i think i will take this opportunity to migrate to something natively supported by debian |
| 01:32.13 | Gnea | sylvisj: man rm |
| 01:32.14 | Gnea | sylvisj: man mv |
| 01:32.16 | sylvisj | Thx. |
| 01:32.18 | caphuso | sylvisj: prepend with man to find out |
| 01:32.30 | runedude | Gnea: i dont know how to do that |
| 01:32.40 | Gnea | runedude: are you familiar with the website google.com? |
| 01:33.15 | magyar | is there a "ITE8212" module for sarge? |
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| 01:34.12 | norus | What software can I use to see the teperature of CPU, HD...? |
| 01:34.15 | runedude | ok, i got that working |
| 01:34.18 | runedude | now i get another error |
| 01:34.19 | norus | temperature |
| 01:34.20 | runedude | http://pastebin.com/388677 |
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| 01:35.21 | norus | Anyone knows? |
| 01:35.39 | Gnea | runedude: so radvd isn't installed |
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| 01:35.42 | jkern | norus, try lm-sensors apt-cache show lm-sensors |
| 01:35.46 | norus | thank you |
| 01:35.48 | Gnea | norus: lm-sensors |
| 01:35.55 | runedude | i thought i did install it actually |
| 01:36.05 | Gnea | maybe it needs to be configured |
| 01:36.11 | runedude | radvd is already the newest version. |
| 01:36.31 | Gnea | radvd isn't one of those programs that you just install and go, you have to actually edit the config file |
| 01:36.39 | runedude | ok |
| 01:37.09 | Seb | what linux app would I use to make a panoramic picture from several pictures ? |
| 01:37.10 | liable | norus: or gkrellm |
| 01:37.23 | Gnea | Seb: gimp |
| 01:37.40 | Seb | Gnea: do I need a specific plugin ? |
| 01:38.06 | Gnea | Seb: i'm not sure it has one - you can scope gimp.org and see if there is - i'm sure there's at least a tutorial somewhere on it |
| 01:38.12 | xbmodder | how do I refer *.foo.xbmodder.us to another name server in named/bind? |
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| 01:38.22 | peetah | how do i activate dma with hdparm? :) |
| 01:38.30 | Seb | Gnea: oh so you meant i can manually stich them with gimp, like aligning manually and stuff ? :) |
| 01:38.37 | Gnea | peetah: man hdparm <-- that will explain it |
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| 01:38.43 | Seb | xbmodder: #bind ? |
| 01:38.45 | mwilson | peetah: You don't, until you figure out why the kernel didn't do it on its own. |
| 01:38.59 | mwilson | peetah: Unless your data means nothing to you. |
| 01:39.01 | Gnea | Seb: exactly. :) scale, resize, change the aspect, all of that |
| 01:39.08 | Gnea | Seb: and more.. |
| 01:39.14 | Seb | Gnea: haha, nah man, I'm looking for something sort of automated :D |
| 01:39.16 | peetah | mwilson: hm. |
| 01:39.29 | Gnea | Seb: oh, you want something that'll fuck it up |
| 01:39.47 | sanxiyn | I think there's "panorama tools" or something like that. |
| 01:39.47 | zweideutig | There, sound works. |
| 01:39.50 | Seb | Gnea: nah I want somehting that'll figure out similarities in images and stitch them automatically :) |
| 01:39.52 | jkern | peetah, caution is advised but man hdparm will explain |
| 01:39.55 | Gnea | Seb: there is no substitution for doing it yourself. |
| 01:40.07 | zweideutig | I had to switch NIC's though. Now I can't ping anything from it. |
| 01:40.09 | runedude | Gnea: well, i never had to configure any of this stuff on previous systems, even on freebsd |
| 01:40.13 | Seb | Gnea: like this nice canon app that came with my camera, but which unfortunately doesn't run in wine |
| 01:40.14 | runedude | and its kinda complicated to me |
| 01:40.15 | Gnea | Seb: your mind isn't that adept to it? |
| 01:40.36 | Gnea | Seb: ah - you can run windows in linux using vmware, they've got a 5.5 beta out right now |
| 01:40.49 | astronut | where can i find a list of timezone strings? |
| 01:40.56 | Seb | Gnea: well I do have vmware, but I was looking for a native linux app |
| 01:41.09 | sanxiyn | Seb: Apparently, http://www.ptgui.com/ does automatic stiching. |
| 01:41.12 | zweideutig | Seb: Why do you need this application? |
| 01:41.21 | sanxiyn | (Have a look at their "Quick Tour".) |
| 01:41.32 | zweideutig | Digital cameras are not important. |
| 01:41.32 | Seb | zweideutig: because i don't want to identify 50 control points manually to create a panoramic picture |
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| 01:41.36 | Seb | sanxiyn: lemme check that out |
| 01:41.53 | Gnea | sanxiyn: that's linux? |
| 01:41.55 | aigarius | Tolimar, the two URLs of you blog entry are the same |
| 01:41.57 | croepha | hey does knoppix hav everything i need to make a kernel image package set? |
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| 01:42.01 | sanxiyn | PTGui - fully automatic stiching. With Photoshop plugin etc. |
| 01:42.01 | Seb | zweideutig: ? |
| 01:42.03 | zweideutig | I am not a photographer, so no one needs to have a decent digital camera. |
| 01:42.13 | Seb | croepha: #knoppix |
| 01:42.16 | sanxiyn | Gnea: Not sure, but seems to be originated from free software. Let's dig. |
| 01:42.23 | Gnea | sanxiyn: i think he's looking for a linux version |
| 01:42.34 | Seb | zweideutig: i have no idea what you're talking about but obviously this has nothing to do with my problem |
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| 01:43.00 | Seb | Gnea, sanxiyn: yeah I need something that works in linux, I already have a windows app that does autostitching, but i wanna get rid of win2k on the laptop |
| 01:43.12 | zweideutig | Seb: I am the actuary at the insurance company that raises your auto insurance after an accident because you are in a high risk group. My life is so boring. I don't have time to do something exciting like photography. : \ |
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| 01:44.10 | Seb | zweideutig: yeah, precisely my point, nothing to do with my problem. So your "why do you need this app?" question was totally unnecessary. |
| 01:44.11 | sanxiyn | Seb: It seems that "Panorama Tools" (that's the name) is behind PTGui and is actually free software. |
| 01:44.21 | Seb | sanxiyn: ok, I shall research that then |
| 01:44.37 | sanxiyn | Seb: http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/ |
| 01:44.46 | zweideutig | Seb: Don't be upset with small problems, be happy that you have your health. |
| 01:44.52 | Seb | oh wow, this looks promising: http://rbpark.ath.cx/photography/panoramas/tutorial.html |
| 01:44.59 | Seb | zweideutig: stfu please |
| 01:45.00 | Gnea | Seb: http://alien2thisworld.net/sitePages/tutorials/panorama_howto.html |
| 01:45.13 | Tolimar | aigarius: Oh, thanks for the hint. Fixed. |
| 01:45.30 | sanxiyn | Oh, "autopano". |
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| 01:45.53 | Tolimar | aigarius: If you don't want to wait till planet resyncs: The first one should be http://cs.wheatonma.edu/pathways/humor/GeekCouple.html |
| 01:45.55 | Seb | Gnea: argh, this still needs me to define control points manually, no good :\ |
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| 01:46.08 | Seb | otoh, the link I pasted seems to be doing that automatically, yay |
| 01:46.53 | zweideutig | Seb: Don't make my life even worse. |
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| 01:47.12 | zweideutig | Seb: The solution is to install Windows for your photography needs. |
| 01:47.17 | sanxiyn | Seb: According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panorama_Tools_(software), Hugin is a frontend to panorama tools. |
| 01:47.27 | Seb | wow, this guy is braindead |
| 01:47.33 | sanxiyn | Seb: And original author doesn't work on it any more, but is maintained @SourceForge. |
| 01:47.44 | Seb | zweideutig: you've just been ignored, so you can safely stop talking to me |
| 01:47.49 | sanxiyn | Hm, http://panotools.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:47.55 | zinx | there are hugin debs |
| 01:47.56 | aigarius | Tolimar, tnx. fun read :) |
| 01:47.58 | zweideutig | Seb: My nervous system is as complex as that of a bacterium. |
| 01:48.09 | zinx | deb http://3demi.net/debian debs/ |
| 01:48.10 | Gnea | Seb: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/September2004/article348.meta.shtml <-- check this |
| 01:48.13 | Seb | sanxiyn: http://rbpark.ath.cx/photography/panoramas/tutorial.html seems to be da shit :) |
| 01:48.19 | zweideutig | Seb: You can ignore me, but it won't help me obtain sleep. |
| 01:48.22 | zinx | hugin + enblend = the win |
| 01:48.25 | Gnea | Seb: yeah, hugin is probably your best bet |
| 01:48.33 | sanxiyn | Seb: Oh, that seems to use hugin too. |
| 01:48.58 | sanxiyn | Autostiching is apparently a difficult algorithmic problem. |
| 01:49.00 | Seb | Gnea: nah, hugin needs me to declare control points explicitely |
| 01:49.03 | Gnea | Seb: so yes, there *is* an autostitching program for linux. |
| 01:49.11 | Seb | but autopano-sift seems to do it automatically |
| 01:49.16 | zweideutig | I can't sleep because my 60 MHz Debian machine isn't complete. I have been awake for nearly 45 hours. |
| 01:49.18 | Seb | sanxiyn: it seems like it, yeah |
| 01:49.35 | sanxiyn | Seb: Have a look at http://panotools.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:49.41 | zweideutig | Seb: Please don't ignore me. |
| 01:49.48 | sanxiyn | (Which seems to do the heavy liftings) |
| 01:50.00 | zweideutig | Seb: If you can see this, you have not ignored me. |
| 01:50.15 | Gnea | zweideutig: why don't you shut your hole and find something else to do |
| 01:50.48 | Seb | hrm of course autopano-sift is still ITP'ed |
| 01:50.56 | zweideutig | Gnea: I am writing for my 60 MHz Pentium CPU to boot Debian. |
| 01:50.57 | Seb | i shall find a deb for it .deb |
| 01:51.10 | runedude | ok, i narrowed the problem down |
| 01:51.12 | runedude | here is my complete log |
| 01:51.14 | runedude | http://pastebin.com/388689 |
| 01:51.17 | Gnea | zweideutig: why are you still using that? |
| 01:51.44 | zweideutig | Gnea: Because anything else would be wastefully powerful for the needs. |
| 01:51.53 | runedude | i know i got radvd configed right, because the installer configures it automatically |
| 01:51.55 | Gnea | zweideutig: and the needs are? |
| 01:52.04 | sanxiyn | Gnea: Haning on IRC, apparently. |
| 01:52.08 | zweideutig | Gnea: VoIP telephony |
| 01:52.12 | Seb | oh marillat has packaged autopano-sift, but it crashes at startup :( |
| 01:52.16 | Gnea | zweideutig: you are mistaken. |
| 01:52.18 | sanxiyn | Seb: Ugh. |
| 01:52.23 | zweideutig | Gnea: Eh? |
| 01:52.37 | Gnea | zweideutig: are you just using it as a gateway/firewall? |
| 01:52.47 | zweideutig | Gnea: If 60 MHz is not enough, I can put the jumper to 75 MHz. |
| 01:52.59 | meff | lol |
| 01:53.16 | Gnea | apparantly he wants to do it his own way |
| 01:53.18 | Gnea | that's fine |
| 01:53.27 | zweideutig | Gnea: It is for the soundblaster card so I can run sipphone.com's VoIP softphone client. |
| 01:53.39 | Gnea | zweideutig: just stop complaining to us that it's your fault that you can't get something btter |
| 01:53.48 | Gnea | +e |
| 01:53.53 | zweideutig | 25 MHz 80486 is good for gateways. |
| 01:53.59 | zweideutig | Gnea: Okay, sorry. |
| 01:54.38 | meff | you should really put gentoo on 486's makes them so much faster! |
| 01:54.46 | dondelelcaro | hahaha |
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| 01:54.58 | Seb | yyyyyyaaaaaaayyyyyy, I just update all the mono packages, and autopano-sift now starts :) |
| 01:55.03 | dondelelcaro | if anything, what you should be doing is netbooting the stupid thing so you don't actually have to run apt-get on it. |
| 01:55.09 | zweideutig | meff: No. |
| 01:55.27 | Gnea | dude's so stupid he took it seriously |
| 01:55.42 | zweideutig | meff: I waited for a Gentoo stage 1 install on a overclocked 100 MHz Pentium (90 MHz stock.) |
| 01:55.49 | meff | ... |
| 01:55.57 | sanxiyn | Seb: Ah... some part of panorama tools is already in Debian... http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/libpano12 |
| 01:56.11 | sanxiyn | Seb: That sounds great. I should try that when I have images to stitch :-) |
| 01:56.13 | zweideutig | meff: After five days, I gave up. |
| 01:56.22 | mizery | If there are two different wireless networks with the same SSID, how do I distinguish between the two (mac address of course) to connect to one in particular? |
| 01:56.32 | zweideutig | My stupidity is not temporary like ignorance. |
| 01:56.35 | Seb | sanxiyn: but what I need above all is this autopano-sift, which coincidentally just started working. Let me stitch a few and i'll report here. |
| 01:56.36 | meff | you gotta be kidding me |
| 01:56.46 | Seb | sanxiyn: yeah, it's honestly one of the things i haven't bee nable to do in linux for ages |
| 01:57.03 | zinx | Seb: you'd probably be better off manually placing the points fwiw |
| 01:57.09 | Seb | sanxiyn: with that pb resolved, this win2k laptop is soon gonna be offered a much better life :> |
| 01:57.12 | zweideutig | Gnea: Sorry, I am kind of burnt from no sleep. |
| 01:57.16 | Gnea | mizery: channel? |
| 01:57.22 | Seb | zinx: well for stitching 10 images, I can tell you I am not :> |
| 01:57.28 | meff | staying up for that gentoo stage 1 eh |
| 01:57.34 | zweideutig | No. |
| 01:57.37 | Seb | zinx: and it seems this sift algorithm does wonders |
| 01:57.42 | zweideutig | Gentoo is evil. |
| 01:57.51 | nvz | Mentoo |
| 01:57.59 | zweideutig | Debian is good, I run it on my Mac Mini. |
| 01:58.00 | nvz | is what they should have called it |
| 01:58.03 | zinx | Seb: it seems it does, but then you use it on your own images. |
| 01:58.13 | meff | ok, my troll alert has gone off by this point.. |
| 01:58.25 | zweideutig | meff: I am not a troll. |
| 01:58.38 | Seb | zinx: i'm not sure i get your point ? |
| 01:58.40 | meff | if you arent then there's something seriously wrong with you |
| 01:58.44 | metaperl | I cant seem to get the Debian/testing version of XMMS to play URLs (dronezone or bluemars) |
| 01:58.45 | zweideutig | meff: Right now I am actually setting up my Debian machine. |
| 01:58.45 | meff | thats all. :) |
| 01:58.47 | sanxiyn | SIFT ... can given the image identify interesting points on the image called features and provide a signature for each such point. |
| 01:58.48 | sanxiyn | Wow. |
| 01:58.58 | sanxiyn | There are lots of smart people. |
| 01:58.59 | zweideutig | meff: I am normal, except for lack of sleep. |
| 01:59.06 | Seb | sanxiyn: yeah, but the university of BC has a aptent on the algo ;\ |
| 01:59.13 | sanxiyn | Seb: Oh. |
| 01:59.14 | zinx | Seb: hopefully you won't have to. |
| 01:59.27 | Seb | zinx: please explain yourself |
| 01:59.56 | zinx | Seb: it has not chosen decent control points when I've attempted it in the past. |
| 02:00.04 | Seb | zinx: ok, that's better :) |
| 02:00.07 | zweideutig | I can't be the only one here that fancies <100 MHz CPUs. |
| 02:00.17 | Seb | zinx: well i shall see about that in a few :) |
| 02:00.27 | Seb | argh, now hugin isn't in debian either :\ |
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| 02:00.42 | zinx | Seb: no, but i gave you the source for it |
| 02:01.04 | Seb | zinx: i know, but I'll still look for an unofficial package for 5 minutes first ;) |
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| 02:01.38 | zinx | you have an unofficial package... and you're going to look for an unofficial package? wha? |
| 02:02.07 | Seb | zinx: oh, I musta missed that paste of yours then, sorry |
| 02:02.12 | Seb | ah my bad |
| 02:02.26 | Seb | zinx: thx |
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| 02:02.50 | Seb | http://itp.tugraz.at/Comp/debian/dists/sarge/desktop/binary-i386/ has binaries too |
| 02:02.55 | zweideutig | Sorry if I seem upset. IBM didn't put enough PCI slots in this machine, so I was forced to sacrifice the PCI NIC for the soundcard. I replaced it with an ISA NIC, now I need to update it. |
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| 02:03.19 | shad0w1e | question: how do I copy a partition? |
| 02:04.04 | meff | dd |
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| 02:04.18 | shad0w1e | when I use dd, the directories arent accessible |
| 02:04.26 | zweideutig | It seems two days without sleep has detrimental effects. I had to refer to 'man rm' for a simple operation. :\ |
| 02:04.26 | lepton | shad0w1e: try rsync |
| 02:04.39 | shad0w1e | how do I do it with rsync |
| 02:04.46 | amphi | shad0w1e: or cp -a |
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| 02:04.58 | shad0w1e | i want to preserve dates and users and groups , etc |
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| 02:05.18 | amphi | shad0w1e: cp -a will do that |
| 02:05.19 | lepton | rsync -a -x -t -a /path/to/a/ /path/to/b/ |
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| 02:05.55 | zweideutig | How do I speed up Debian boots? |
| 02:06.10 | sanxiyn | zweideutig: You can disable unnecessary daemons. |
| 02:06.19 | meff | sanxiyn: give up he's a troll |
| 02:06.22 | zweideutig | sanxiyn: Ah, that is true. |
| 02:06.40 | lepton | shad0w1e: rsync -a -x -t -o /path/to/a/ /path/to/b/ # -t preserves dates, -o owner |
| 02:06.42 | zweideutig | meff: I am not a troll, I am a very tired person. |
| 02:07.10 | sanxiyn | zweideutig: In my experience, #debian is usually not the best place to be when you are tired. |
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| 02:07.41 | zweideutig | sanxiyn: Thank you for the advice, I will try to curb my speaking here when I am not well-rested. |
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| 02:09.17 | zweideutig | Seb: I agree. I find them quite annoying. I should get mine pulled, but I had to pay the dentist for fillings instead. |
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| 02:10.22 | zweideutig | Okay, sound and network. My 60 MHz Pentium IBM with Debian Linux is complete. :) |
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| 02:10.58 | zweideutig | Fluxbox and X.org actually aren't too bad. |
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| 02:12.09 | Seb | zinx: so, autopano-sift did a *great* job here... |
| 02:12.25 | Seb | zinx: the 0 contorl points it figured out for that set of 2 images are... perfectly on point :) |
| 02:12.28 | Seb | 10 |
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| 02:12.56 | zinx | Seb: glad to hear it :) |
| 02:13.35 | Seb | zinx: heh. So, there is a patent on this algo, I mean, it's gotta be decent :) Were your images really specific, or not overlapping, or something ? I'm just curious... |
| 02:13.53 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:14.04 | Seb | zinx: was it a one-try thing, or do you consistently get bad matching with this SIFT algorithm ? |
| 02:14.08 | Guerin | you presume that, just because something's patented, it must be good? |
| 02:14.12 | zinx | Seb: one-try thing |
| 02:14.19 | Seb | Guerin: that was a joke. You musta missed it. |
| 02:14.25 | zinx | Seb: And there are a *WHOLE LOT* of really really stupid patents on really really stupid ideas |
| 02:14.30 | zinx | Seb: oh :P~ |
| 02:14.32 | Guerin | h0h0h0 |
| 02:14.42 | Seb | damn, this joke wasn't quite apparent I guess |
| 02:14.54 | zinx | Seb: i didn't quite catch your tone of voice |
| 02:14.59 | Seb | heh |
| 02:15.00 | Seb | ;) |
| 02:15.00 | zinx | Seb: my screen's a little fuzzy |
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| 02:15.21 | liberty | anyone seen this one? trying to add qt3 headers and all that.. I track it down to xlibs-static-dev and then to libxkbui1 ; to install libxkbui1 the following has to be removed afterste, armor, ark, guarddog (my firewall!) kde*.* libkde*.* x-window-system-core, and all the fonts.. wtf.. that's too much |
| 02:16.03 | liberty | should I uninstall kde? |
| 02:16.09 | welson | i have mounting issue with an iso image, I've mounted other isoz before-- this particular one has something different, -- I've verified there's nothing wrong with it using image tools on winbloze |
| 02:16.11 | Seb | liberty: most definitely |
| 02:16.17 | sanxiyn | Seb: Haha |
| 02:16.22 | sanxiyn | liberty: Are you on Sid |
| 02:16.23 | liberty | did I fsck up my sources.list I wonder |
| 02:16.24 | Guerin | liberty: yes |
| 02:16.28 | liberty | no sarge |
| 02:16.32 | Seb | welson: what is the issue ? |
| 02:16.32 | sanxiyn | Eh? |
| 02:16.38 | Guerin | liberty: you lie |
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| 02:16.49 | liberty | sarge 3.1 DVD |
| 02:16.54 | welson | anyone can suggest what to do with it if theres a message saying ' missing codepage or other error |
| 02:16.54 | welson | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.54 | welson | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.54 | welson | ' ? |
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| 02:17.00 | sanxiyn | liberty: Very unlikely. |
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| 02:17.10 | sanxiyn | Sarge should have zero dependency problem. |
| 02:17.13 | z|bandito | how many times do i have to part this freakin channel? :p |
| 02:17.26 | Guerin | z|bandito: just once, if you do it right |
| 02:17.35 | syn_ack | why sarge 3.1 is not stable my own plant i must restart every time i installed 2.6.8-2-386 as kernel |
| 02:17.41 | Guerin | i know clicking the little X is tough |
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| 02:17.53 | liberty | I must have hosed my sources.list. damn so what should I do to kill all the SID stuff? |
| 02:17.57 | bob2 | syn_ack: wat's your native language? |
| 02:17.58 | Guerin | syn_ack: what? |
| 02:17.58 | z|bandito | goddammit |
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| 02:18.07 | bob2 | liberty: if you're on sid, you can't (easily) downgrade |
| 02:18.08 | Guerin | liberty: how much of it did you install? |
| 02:18.26 | tuv | netapplet is taking too much memory, i.e. 66M RES 111M VIRT, is that usual? |
| 02:18.27 | welson | Seb, something I can do? |
| 02:18.42 | welson | Seb, I don't want to work with iso images under windows :/ |
| 02:18.51 | liberty | I think it did all the kde / libkde / some windowmanagers etc. about 125MB |
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| 02:19.05 | Seb | welson: you still haven't described what ou're trying to do, and how it fails ? |
| 02:19.23 | Guerin | liberty: change your sources all back to sarge, do the upgrade which will remove kde, and hope. |
| 02:19.40 | liberty | anyone got a sources.list for sarge? |
| 02:19.40 | Guerin | tuv: do you want it to be using less ram? |
| 02:19.46 | Guerin | liberty: apt-setup |
| 02:19.47 | liberty | stock.. lol |
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| 02:19.59 | tuv | Guerin, sure? isn't that alot for an applet? |
| 02:20.03 | welson | Seb, mount -t iso9660 /opt/tmp/Ibm.iso /opt/tmp/1/ -o loop, is the command, if you know anything particular about iso-descriptor fields I'd like to know :) |
| 02:20.06 | sanxiyn | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib |
| 02:20.17 | Guerin | tuv: depends what it does. |
| 02:20.49 | Seb | welson: and the actual error msg when you run that is... ? On one-line please, and only the meaningful part |
| 02:20.56 | tuv | Guerin: network switching.. among interfaces and networks for a given interface |
| 02:21.01 | welson | Seb, nvrmind.. |
| 02:21.05 | liberty | sanxiyn, Thanks. okay, I don't mind yanking kde. that's no biggie. Yeah mine didn;t say sarge it said debian where it says sarge above |
| 02:21.06 | Guerin | haha |
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| 02:21.20 | liberty | welp my bad. thanks for the info. |
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| 02:21.48 | tuv | Guerin: when it is first started its memory usage is comparable to other applets. with time its memory usage grows from 10M to 60M+ RES |
| 02:22.03 | Ugly_Duck | any good ip account apps out there that some one would recommend? |
| 02:22.25 | Guerin | tuv: sounds like a waster to me |
| 02:22.30 | Ugly_Duck | accounting even |
| 02:22.33 | welson | Ugly_Duck, like yahoo mail ? |
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| 02:22.59 | welson | Ugly_Duck, there's a few .. |
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| 02:23.14 | Ugly_Duck | welson: ok, what would you recomment for a small lan |
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| 02:23.59 | tuv | Guerin: it's the highest memory usage in the whole system. even more memory than X |
| 02:24.32 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:24.33 | Gnea | !usb-install |
| 02:24.34 | dpkg | from memory, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumdrive or jumpdrive, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 02:24.49 | welson | Ugly_Duck, i guess you want just simple accounting -- I'd suggest looking into what openoffice can offer you.. |
| 02:25.03 | Ugly_Duck | welson: openoffice? |
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| 02:25.36 | welson | Ugly_Duck, yes, that's an office suite, like ms office.. |
| 02:26.05 | Ugly_Duck | welson: yeah, i know about open office, just not sure how it relates to ip accounting from firewall/system etc? |
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| 02:26.36 | Ugly_Duck | tracking traffic on a network |
| 02:26.44 | D13GU___ | hi all |
| 02:26.46 | welson | Ugly_Duck, look above, I really had the impression you were saying cut-words improperly.. you mean firewall rule making? |
| 02:27.19 | welson | Ugly_Duck, there are webfronts.. |
| 02:27.22 | Ugly_Duck | welson: nah, i want ip accounting, so i can track traffic on my network |
| 02:27.41 | wOOt | welson; sniffers i think so |
| 02:27.48 | mizery | Is there a karaoke (lyrics) solution to compliment mp3 encoded songs? |
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| 02:27.53 | D13GU___ | where i find a hardmodem list compatible list? |
| 02:28.24 | welson | Ugly_Duck, ip accounting-- you mean quotas? |
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| 02:29.05 | welson | D13GU___, there's text documents for hardware compatibilities in the source tree |
| 02:29.10 | Ugly_Duck | welson: well, not sure its quota's more like tracking a users traffic from lan/wan wan/lan |
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| 02:29.46 | D13GU___ | welson what? |
| 02:29.53 | D13GU___ | in specify debian |
| 02:29.54 | Guerin | mizery: xmms probably has one. apt-cache search karaoke |
| 02:29.56 | welson | Ugly_Duck, well "tracking" doesn't make sense if you're "setting" up policies.. I'm not sure what you want-- you want to setup or monitor? I already said there are webfronts.. |
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| 02:31.04 | Ugly_Duck | welson: well, an application that sniffs the network i guess, looks at where the traffic is coming from and going too; then putting the data into a database so it can keep a running total of what a user is using on the network, |
| 02:31.05 | welson | D13GU___, certainly I meant the kernel source tree.. if not probably somewhere on kernel.org or kernelnewbie sites-- |
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| 02:31.25 | Supaplex | Ugly_Duck: iptables does accounting |
| 02:31.27 | D13GU___ | weasel ok |
| 02:31.29 | Tortel | goodnight all |
| 02:31.30 | Tortel | :) |
| 02:31.41 | wOOt | Ugly_Duck: iptraf does something like that |
| 02:31.54 | Ugly_Duck | Supaplex: right, what do i use to extract that data and put it into a database to keep a total? |
| 02:32.12 | Supaplex | roll a perl script around it |
| 02:32.46 | D13GU___ | weasel and softmodem? |
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| 02:32.58 | welson | Ugly_Duck, apt-cache search web statistic, there are other's too.. I haven't look thoroughly trying out all of them, but there are independent ones that aren't severs that are called 'packet' listeners: ethereal, et.. |
| 02:33.12 | Ugly_Duck | welson: k, thanks |
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| 02:33.38 | welson | Ugly_Duck, also there's tcpdump, |
| 02:33.47 | Ugly_Duck | welson: ahh.. okies |
| 02:33.53 | Supaplex | anything that sniffs the network connection can spike the load on a busy/noisy network. |
| 02:34.29 | wOOt | ethercap also |
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| 02:36.04 | paxl | euh.. the unstable version need the 2.6.12 kernel ?? |
| 02:36.09 | NetDC | who can help me? http://www.inl.fr/article.php3?id_article=7 in this site ,there is a package call ulog-php, I can not access this site here. who can please mail it to catvdc@gmail.com , much thanks. |
| 02:36.16 | dondelelcaro | paxl: if you want udev, yes. |
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| 02:36.47 | paxl | dondelelcaro: and if I don't want it.. how to remove it ? |
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| 02:38.06 | Guerin | paxl: why are you using unstable anyway? |
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| 02:38.10 | kinuxis | anybody can help me on monting a fat 32 partition?? |
| 02:38.15 | kinuxis | mounting |
| 02:38.22 | Supaplex | NetDC: w/ or w/o a crafty rootkit? ;) |
| 02:38.29 | daos | what is a utility I can use to monitor disk perfmormance? |
| 02:38.38 | Guerin | !tell kinuxis about vfatrw |
| 02:38.49 | Supaplex | daos: hdparm or dd |
| 02:38.50 | kinuxis | is that a pak |
| 02:39.08 | daos | Supaplex: thanks :) |
| 02:39.19 | NetDC | Supaplex: it is a php log watcher. |
| 02:39.28 | NetDC | Supaplex: Much thanks! |
| 02:39.57 | paxl | Is there a way to downgrade from unstable to testing ? |
| 02:39.59 | kinuxis | ? |
| 02:40.14 | Guerin | kinuxis: read the instructions dpkg gave you in message |
| 02:40.19 | Guerin | paxl: no. |
| 02:40.21 | kinuxis | what is vfatrw? not a pakage |
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| 02:40.31 | Guerin | !vfatrw |
| 02:40.31 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 02:40.33 | Guerin | READ |
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| 02:41.03 | Supaplex | NetDC: and that was a joke. :) |
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| 02:41.34 | liable | hrm, i cant find the damn password.dat file after creating it with dbmmanage |
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| 02:42.05 | NetDC | Supaplex:it seem the speed is 0bit/s? |
| 02:42.32 | Supaplex | NetDC: just nm what I said *sigh* |
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| 02:43.35 | NetDC | Supaplex:somebody mailed it to me , thanks! |
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| 02:44.47 | mcury | #debian-br |
| 02:44.53 | welson | daos, possibly mdadm, search for 'benchmarking' opposed to 'monitoring' for the proper app.. |
| 02:45.11 | abrotman | bonnie ? |
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| 02:45.26 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
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| 02:45.54 | mlalkaka | how can i downgrade my kernel? |
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| 02:46.02 | abrotman | install it |
| 02:46.07 | mlalkaka | (or any other package for that matter) |
| 02:46.12 | mlalkaka | abrotman, install what? |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | why would you want to downgrade packages? |
| 02:46.25 | dawg | the version you want |
| 02:47.02 | mlalkaka | abrotman, my current kernel isn't working completely (2.6.12 doesn't seem to work with my parallel port). i know an older kernel will work because it used to work with 2.6.8. |
| 02:47.24 | abrotman | so make it your default ? |
| 02:47.27 | mlalkaka | abrotman, dawg: what is the command? apt-get ... ? |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | isn't it still installed? |
| 02:47.43 | welson | mlalkaka, modprobe parport |
| 02:47.54 | abrotman | welson: what? |
| 02:48.14 | mlalkaka | abrotman, no. i had uninstalled my older kernel because everything seemed to be working fine. but i forgot to check the parallel port |
| 02:48.23 | mlalkaka | welson, the module parport is already loaded |
| 02:48.26 | kinuxis | well when it was ntfs it auto installed the drives but now sorry been using linux for 3 weeks now ADDICT |
| 02:48.27 | abrotman | mlalkaka: and you're running sid ? |
| 02:48.30 | daos | Supaplex: is there something like top that will tell me what app is writing to a disk? |
| 02:48.33 | mlalkaka | abrotman, no etch |
| 02:48.48 | abrotman | daos: fuser / lsof ? |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 02:48.56 | dpkg | i heard debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 02:49.04 | Caelum | anything in dmesg when you load parport or parallel port related stuff? |
| 02:49.11 | mlalkaka | abrotman, thanks. |
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| 02:49.27 | Caelum | mlalkaka: do you have your parallel port set up in bios with irq/dma and set to ecp mode too? |
| 02:49.37 | daos | abrotman: I iwll give 1 of those a try :) |
| 02:49.47 | mlalkaka | Caelum, i'm not sure. why? |
| 02:49.53 | paxl | why since i upgraded to unstable my ipw2200 don't want to load ?? |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | Caelum: it worked before .. upgraded kernel . no workie |
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| 02:51.10 | sDES | Question: How do I change the default font color for a tty console(it's grey, and i want it white) ? |
| 02:51.23 | abrotman | in X ? |
| 02:51.26 | amphi | paxl: what version of the driver? if it's 1.0.6, you need to build the ieee80211 modules separately |
| 02:51.30 | abrotman | or a real tty |
| 02:51.31 | sDES | no, in console |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | ?> |
| 02:51.34 | sDES | real tty |
| 02:51.54 | paxl | amphi: this is the 1.0.4... but why .. it was working before the update |
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| 02:52.23 | amphi | paxl: dunno - I run stable; did you rebuild the module? |
| 02:52.24 | sDES | I did it using some PS1=' ' solution but I need something more permanent, for the whole system |
| 02:52.34 | Caelum | mlalkaka: also, you have parport_pc and lp loaded? |
| 02:52.42 | mlalkaka | Caelum, yes |
| 02:52.44 | paxl | amphi: nop.. |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | sDES: you could define that in the /etc/profile if you wanted .. or in your profile |
| 02:52.58 | amphi | paxl: what error do you get when modprobing? |
| 02:53.11 | Caelum | mlalkaka: if you want, you could try tail -f /var/log/messages and unload and reload those modules, to see if there's any useful diagnostic output |
| 02:53.15 | Guerin | sDES: PS1 can be set system-wide |
| 02:53.20 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 02:53.40 | abrotman | bob2: you didn't do anything! |
| 02:53.41 | sDES | yes, but how come the default color is grey?Is there a config file to change? |
| 02:53.44 | Caelum | mlalkaka: also in cmos setup, it generally helps to have the mode set to ECP if possible |
| 02:53.49 | welson | sDES, if getty is not suitable enough, I believe I came upon one that does colors |
| 02:53.52 | bob2 | abrotman: typo in another window |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:54.00 | mlalkaka | Caelum, i'll try that |
| 02:54.06 | paxl | ipw2200: ipw-2.3-boot.fw load failed: Reason -2 |
| 02:54.17 | paxl | and the firmware is at the right place |
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| 02:54.29 | Guerin | sDES: what's wrong with grey? You can change the colour as soon as you log in, what's the problem? |
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| 02:54.50 | sDES | Guerin: no problem man, just curious :) |
| 02:54.55 | sDES | thanks anyways |
| 02:55.00 | Caelum | paxl: which version of ipw? 1.0.6? |
| 02:55.06 | paxl | nop 1.0.4 |
| 02:55.09 | Guerin | i think it's just one o' them arbitrary decisions |
| 02:55.19 | Caelum | paxl: get the 1.0.6, that works with 2.3 fw |
| 02:55.37 | abrotman | !system wide |
| 02:55.37 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 02:55.38 | amphi | paxl: try echo 100 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout and modprobe it again |
| 02:56.11 | paxl | I'll try to recompile since the echo do nothing |
| 02:56.27 | amphi | paxl: I'm using 2.3 fw with 1.0.4 driver |
| 02:56.37 | Caelum | sDES: setconsole I think |
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| 02:56.50 | amphi | paxl: same error after doing the echo thing? |
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| 02:57.23 | sDES | Caelum: will try that |
| 02:57.31 | paxl | yeah |
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| 02:58.10 | sDES | Caelum: do you mean setterm? |
| 02:58.21 | aster_ken | I am new to Linux, and I am trying to install Debian. Being something of a perfectionist, I don't want to answer a question wrongly in the installer. What should I tell the installer are my hostname and domain name? |
| 02:58.24 | amphi | paxl: you use udev? |
| 02:58.29 | Caelum | sDES: I think so...checking |
| 02:58.36 | paxl | amphi: I was.. I removed it.. |
| 02:58.39 | paxl | could this come from this |
| 02:58.46 | amphi | aster_ken: foo and bar ;) |
| 02:58.50 | aster_ken | I am using Comcast cable Internet access directly connected to a wired ethernet card on this computer. |
| 02:58.51 | paxl | since I did'nt wanted to recompile my kernel |
| 02:59.05 | amphi | paxl: I was looking at http://openthought.org/blosxom.cgi/Blog/Computers/Organizations/Home/firmware_and_udev.writeback |
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| 02:59.21 | aster_ken | So it doesn't really matter what I put there? |
| 02:59.37 | Guerin | aster_ken: give your computer a name. Like 'beer' perhaps. If you have a domain name, user that as your domain name - if not, use something like .local |
| 03:00.23 | aster_ken | Would the default of hsd1.tx.comcast.net be good to use, or should I deliberatly change it? |
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| 03:00.55 | paxl | amphi: without udev.. how can I do this ? |
| 03:01.34 | amphi | paxl: not sure, as I never had this problem here - what kernel version? |
| 03:01.50 | paxl | 2.6.11.11 |
| 03:02.13 | Caelum | paxl: did you put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware ? |
| 03:02.54 | paxl | it was working since the first time i installed debian on this box.. so yes |
| 03:03.16 | amphi | paxl: 2.6.11.12 here |
| 03:03.31 | Caelum | sDES: there's another method here, http://plug.org.in/pipermail/plug-mail/2001-December/001819.html |
| 03:03.41 | Caelum | sDES: setterm only does inverse color apparently... |
| 03:04.04 | amphi | paxl: maybe you should try turning on the debugging flag |
| 03:04.22 | paxl | argh.. |
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| 03:04.32 | paxl | ieee80211_crypt: version magic '2.6.11.11 preempt PENTIUMM gcc-4.0' should be '2.6.11.11 preempt PENTIUMM gcc-3.3' |
| 03:04.43 | sDES | Caelum: thanks, will try.... |
| 03:04.45 | amphi | paxl: heh |
| 03:05.00 | amphi | paxl: no need for the debugging flag then ;) |
| 03:05.15 | paxl | euh.. this is from the version I jsute compiled like 2 sec ago |
| 03:05.26 | paxl | is there a way to make the kernel dont mind it :) |
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| 03:06.02 | Guerin | paxl: no. Always build your modules with the compiler which built the kernel. DO it again. |
| 03:06.03 | amphi | paxl: you can try --force-version-magic I think it is (man modprobe), but I don't recommend it |
| 03:06.35 | Caelum | paxl: 1.0.6 source is in sid btw |
| 03:06.40 | datallah | I've got a weird problem with DNS lookups. I have 3 nameserver entries in resolv.conf, but a DNS lookup seems to only ever hit the first server - even if no entry is found. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:07.03 | Guerin | datallah: change them around |
| 03:07.44 | paxl | how to define another compiler to compile the module .. like gcc-3.3 ? |
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| 03:08.17 | Guerin | paxl: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3 HOSTCC=gcc03.3" |
| 03:08.51 | mwilson | "no entry is found", or "no authority is found"? They're not the same thing. If the first nameserver returns NXDOMAIN, there's no reason to go on to the other two. |
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| 03:09.00 | Guerin | right |
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| 03:09.52 | mwilson | The first one that returns an affirmative response wins. Whether or not it's the response you want is another issue. |
| 03:10.40 | paxl | still getting the same problem |
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| 03:11.29 | Morti | I'm trying to set up GRUB having done a debootstrap and I'm lacking a /boot/grub/stage1 file. How do I make them? |
| 03:11.41 | liberty | welp, that little problem I had (getting sid sources on sarge on accident) I was not able to fix, it removed about 355 packages and still wouldn't let me get back to a plain sarge, (praying didn't work) total format . No biggie. I won't make that mistake again |
| 03:12.12 | datallah | Guerin: i *could* do that (and of course it works), but it is suboptimal because one of them is on a VPN and I dont want it as my primary |
| 03:12.23 | datallah | let me see what the exact response is... |
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| 03:12.30 | mwilson | Guerin: He's not listening, is he? |
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| 03:13.03 | datallah | me? |
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| 03:13.46 | Guerin | datallah: if you think one nameserver is giving you untrue responses, don't use it. If another (doesn't matter where) is giving you correct responses, it's always going to be better than the poisoned one, right? |
| 03:13.58 | Guerin | datallah: try 4.2.2.1-6 |
| 03:14.04 | datallah | aha... it says non-existent domain |
| 03:14.09 | Guerin | right |
| 03:14.13 | Guerin | authoritative |
| 03:14.46 | datallah | Guerin: 4.2.2.1-6 of what? |
| 03:15.02 | datallah | oh... DNS servers |
| 03:15.03 | Guerin | datallah: namerservers. Use them if you think yours are faulty. |
| 03:16.00 | liberty | whoop whoop. forgot to backup the kernel .config |
| 03:16.06 | liberty | oh well. |
| 03:16.14 | Guerin | good thing you're using debian kernels, right? |
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| 03:17.36 | datallah | hmm... w/ 4.2.2.3 i get no love either. |
| 03:17.50 | liberty | wow that base install was as fast as an IPCop box! |
| 03:18.16 | djtansey | where does debian store local mail? one of my users doesn't seem to have an mbox file, but i can still access the mail from squirrelmail. i have a INBOX.Drafts, INBOX.Sent, etc. |
| 03:18.49 | Guerin | djtansey: by default, in /var/mail/username - that's evidently not how you have it set up, though |
| 03:19.05 | paxl | I'll compile teh new kernel.. as I cant do nothing else |
| 03:19.22 | doleyb | djtansey: su to his id, run strace squirrelmail, grep that output for INBOX |
| 03:19.33 | djtansey | Guerin: i set it up a couple years ago and haven't touched it since. just trying to get some old mail transferred |
| 03:20.46 | djtansey | Guerin: thank you. found it! |
| 03:21.05 | datallah | Could this be because the domain exists, but i trying to override what the ¨external¨ DNS server is answering using the second ¨internal¨ DNS server? |
| 03:22.01 | mwilson | No, it could be because the doman does NOT exist, hence the NXDOMAIN message. You don't "override" one DNS with another... that's not how DNS works. |
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| 03:22.21 | bob2 | eh? claiming to be master for someone else's zone is more or less overriding it |
| 03:22.33 | mwilson | NXDOMAIN doesn't mean "I don't know", it means "there's ain't one". |
| 03:23.02 | datallah | Perhaps i´m not doing a good job of explaining |
| 03:23.17 | mwilson | bob2: Yes, certainly. But how are you going to find the one claiming to be master, unless you query it explicitly? |
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| 03:23.54 | mwilson | bob2: The normal way DNS works, you're never going to find it. I could claim to be authoritative for microsoft.com, for all the good it would do me. |
| 03:24.01 | bob2 | sure |
| 03:24.36 | mwilson | datallah: Perhaps you're not doing a good job of understanding. |
| 03:24.57 | mwilson | datallah: You ask DNS #1. It says "NXDOMAIN". There is no reason to ask DNS #2. |
| 03:25.14 | datallah | perhaps. I think I understand what you´re saying, but in this case, there is a reason to ask DNS #2 :) |
| 03:25.19 | Phated | mwilson: DNS#1 could be poisoned. |
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| 03:25.31 | mwilson | datallah: No. YOU have a reason. That doesn't mean that the DNS has one. |
| 03:25.33 | bob2 | you're POISON |
| 03:25.36 | bob2 | running through my veins! |
| 03:25.53 | Phated | mwilson: Or it could be unable to obtain the NS record for that domain. |
| 03:25.59 | mwilson | Phated: Poisoned or not, doesn't mean that things should fall back to the second server. |
| 03:26.08 | Guerin | Gnea: frozen |
| 03:26.10 | mwilson | Phated: Name lookup failure is not NXDOMAIN. |
| 03:26.11 | datallah | in this case, it is able to retrieve the NS record |
| 03:26.17 | Gnea | Guerin: before or after? |
| 03:26.25 | Guerin | Gnea: before would be efficient |
| 03:26.36 | mwilson | Phated: NXDOMAIN is an affirmative response that the domain does not exist. |
| 03:26.40 | Gnea | Guerin: but after would be more entertaining |
| 03:26.48 | Phated | mwilson: What if i get the NS record, and fail to get an answer for the NS itself? |
| 03:26.59 | Guerin | Gnea: how would you freeze a whole mountain of water so quickly |
| 03:26.59 | mwilson | Phated: THEN you fall back. |
| 03:27.01 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:27.13 | Gnea | Guerin: i don't know, that's your problem, not mine :) |
| 03:27.19 | datallah | so, my question then becomes ¨Is it possible to default the DNS server for a specific domain? |
| 03:27.29 | mwilson | datallah: No. |
| 03:27.29 | Guerin | eh? |
| 03:27.43 | bob2 | I didn't read any of the other stuff, but 'default the DNS server' doesn't make any sense to me |
| 03:27.52 | Guerin | nor me |
| 03:27.55 | mwilson | datallah: Or rather, yes, but not in the way you think. |
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| 03:28.11 | bob2 | datallah: you want to claim control of some domain? |
| 03:28.22 | mwilson | He wants to say "normally use this DNS, but if I ask for this one domain, don't use that one, use THIS one". |
| 03:28.27 | Gnea | datallah: what exactly is the problem? |
| 03:28.36 | Guerin | why not just have functional dns servers? |
| 03:28.38 | mwilson | Like if you had a zone behind your NAT. |
| 03:28.46 | datallah | exactly |
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| 03:28.59 | mwilson | Guerin: Apparently the "special" DNS isn't always accessible. |
| 03:29.11 | mwilson | Guerin: At least, that was the impression I got. |
| 03:29.16 | Gnea | so make a third DNS |
| 03:29.30 | datallah | yes, and the NAT is accessed remotely through VPN |
| 03:29.47 | Guerin | run a poisoned ns to point all queries for his specific zone back inside |
| 03:29.54 | Phated | datallah: If you are running bind, you should be able to create a zone of type forward. |
| 03:30.15 | Gnea | datallah: just install bind on your gateways and bridges |
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| 03:30.21 | mwilson | Phated: Which does you no good if you can't contact the instance of bind in the first place. |
| 03:30.30 | mwilson | Phated: Like if the VPN isn't connected. |
| 03:30.31 | datallah | i was trying to avoid running a local NS, but if that is what I need to do, I suppose it is possible |
| 03:30.34 | Guerin | run one out in the internet |
| 03:31.09 | mwilson | datallah: Is there some reason that you can't just list the VPN-accessible NS first? |
| 03:31.30 | liberty | problem . Getting 125MB of packages from security.debian.org stable/updates/main Should I allow this? I got Sarge, I don't want sid |
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| 03:31.33 | Gnea | scripts/mod/empty.c:1: error: code model 'kernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode |
| 03:31.36 | Gnea | yay |
| 03:31.46 | liberty | or should I stop it and reformat again |
| 03:31.46 | datallah | mwilson: it causes lags on DNS lookups |
| 03:31.47 | mwilson | liberty: Where do you see Sid in that line? |
| 03:31.57 | Gnea | liberty: you what? |
| 03:32.06 | liberty | I don't but that's what happened last time. |
| 03:32.07 | g4m | How can i make dhclient attempt to lease a IP on startup? |
| 03:32.11 | Phated | mwilson: Ah. |
| 03:32.27 | Gnea | !tell g4m about interfaces |
| 03:32.30 | liberty | (I have the `125MB backed up) and I am on modem |
| 03:32.32 | Guerin | g4m: man interfaces |
| 03:32.38 | liberty | im killing it |
| 03:32.50 | mwilson | liberty: You don't like security updates? |
| 03:32.51 | Guerin | liberty: put those packages in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:33.01 | Gnea | dialup.. *shiver* |
| 03:33.02 | Guerin | mwilson: he's reinstalling from an hour ago |
| 03:33.05 | liberty | Guerin: it is on an initial install |
| 03:33.15 | Guerin | liberty: so? |
| 03:33.20 | g4m | Gnea, Guerin, Thanks. |
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| 03:34.20 | liable | air conditioner.. dying.. :( |
| 03:35.02 | Guerin | liberty: you need ac already? |
| 03:35.13 | Guerin | liable: ^ |
| 03:35.18 | datallah | Well, thanks for your help, at least I understand what is going on now :) |
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| 03:35.47 | liable | Guerin: yep, that time of year already. 35+ most days |
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| 03:37.56 | liberty | Guerin: what is ac? |
| 03:38.11 | liberty | spt-cache? |
| 03:38.12 | liable | Guerin: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW4092.latest.shtml |
| 03:38.16 | liberty | a^ |
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| 03:38.43 | Lee__ | would it be possible to replace the first getty with a root shell? I'm trying to automate a console login. |
| 03:39.41 | Guerin | !possible |
| 03:39.41 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 03:39.54 | scarynetworkguy | Lee__: You *really* don't want to do that. Really. |
| 03:40.10 | Lee__ | no, I really, really, really do. it's for an art project. |
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| 03:40.18 | Lee__ | thanks for your concern though. |
| 03:40.45 | Lee__ | Guerin: so it's possible. would /etc/inittab be a good start? |
| 03:41.00 | dondelelcaro | Lee__: man getty; and read about the -l option... |
| 03:41.16 | scarynetworkguy | Lee__: No. If you think you want to you have left the path of wisdom. Tell us what your goal is and we might be able to help you find a good way to do it. |
| 03:41.22 | Lee__ | thanks. |
| 03:41.26 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: :/ |
| 03:41.53 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, just spawn whattever it is you want as the only thing that starts instead of getty. |
| 03:42.04 | Lee__ | scarynetworkguy: I'm making an multimedia installation based on recompiling the kernel and the motion of the text. the computer will be in a gallery and not connected to the internet. I don't think system security is an issue. |
| 03:42.34 | scarynetworkguy | Lee__: Security is *always* an issue. |
| 03:42.39 | dondelelcaro | Lee__: if that's what you're doing, why are you even using init? |
| 03:42.58 | Lee__ | not sure. I thought init was necessary to boot. |
| 03:43.02 | scarynetworkguy | Lee__: But if that's all it is just use fakeroot. And/or what dondelelcaro said. |
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| 03:43.25 | nimak | do any of you use linux-wlan-ng? |
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| 03:43.36 | Guerin | !anyone use linux-wlan-ng |
| 03:43.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses linux-wlan-ng, not even the people who use it. |
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| 03:43.53 | dondelelcaro | Lee__: init is only needed if you want to have init spawn things. Since you're only using one program, that's what you should be running as init. |
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| 03:44.07 | nimak | !anyone use the-bot-too-much |
| 03:44.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses the-bot-too-much, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:44.22 | Guerin | nimak: ask the question you really want answered. |
| 03:45.00 | nimak | okay |
| 03:45.13 | Lee__ | dondelelcaro: what calls init? |
| 03:45.25 | dondelelcaro | Lee__: the kernel does |
| 03:45.28 | nimak | how can i configure linux-wlan-ng so it works? |
| 03:45.37 | dondelelcaro | nimak: how is it broken? |
| 03:45.43 | Guerin | nimak: read the documentation and follow the instructions therein. |
| 03:45.44 | Lee__ | woah, so I pass the program to execute to the kernel when it boots? |
| 03:45.52 | dondelelcaro | Lee__: yes. |
| 03:46.03 | Guerin | Lee__: kernel blah blah init=/bin/sh gives you a sshell, forex |
| 03:46.10 | nimak | ifconfig doesnt show wlan0 |
| 03:46.31 | Lee__ | heh. that's pretty neat and if that program is make-kpkg than it'll know where to find everything it needs? |
| 03:46.49 | dondelelcaro | Lee__: uh... you wouldn't be running make-kpkg as init. |
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| 03:47.51 | nimak | i think the problems stem from /etc/pcmcia/network.opts |
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| 03:48.35 | Lee__ | dondelelcaro: thanks for your advice, I'll mess with getty and the init kernel argument. |
| 03:49.20 | nimak | im not sure how to configure it if i want to just use dhcp |
| 03:50.31 | dondelelcaro | nimak: first things first, get the nic up and running. Only then worry about connecting to the network |
| 03:50.43 | dondelelcaro | nimak: until ifconfig -a; shows the card, you've nothing to do. |
| 03:50.44 | nimak | how do i check? |
| 03:51.28 | nimak | yay, its there |
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| 03:51.43 | dondelelcaro | nimak: then man 5 interfaces; and add an appropriate stanza for your wireless card. |
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| 03:51.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell nimak -about interfaces |
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| 03:52.37 | streuner | nimak: are you using debian? |
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| 03:55.36 | nimak | yeah |
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| 03:57.22 | Lee__ | nimak: what's iwconfig say? |
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| 03:57.33 | yaco | hi yamç |
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| 03:57.54 | nimak | wlan0 no wireless extensions. |
| 03:58.10 | Lee__ | did you load the driver for the card? |
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| 03:58.25 | asuffield | if the interface is there the driver loaded fine |
| 03:58.29 | asuffield | it just doesn't support iwconfig |
| 03:58.35 | asuffield | half of them don't |
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| 03:59.11 | Compupaq | when i try to install using netinstall, the keyboard doesnt work |
| 03:59.26 | nimak | the driver doesnt support iwconfig |
| 03:59.42 | michan | i just installed debian on an emachines laptop with a 15.4" widescreen and the resolution is 1024x768 instead of 1280x800. i've gotten the video working fine on this machine in ubuntu and in suse using all free software, but everything i'm reading says to install the proprietary ATI drivers, which aren't working anyway. anyone know how to fix this problem? |
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| 04:00.23 | Lee__ | michan: have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and pick 1280x800 |
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| 04:00.40 | sudonim | hello - I have 2 nics on my deb box with 4 ip addresses total. 2 are private - 192.168.x.x and 2 are public 72.x.x.x - they are configured with different gateways and I get some erratic behavior. ping google.com works, but apt-get install xyzpackage does not - it times out. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this situation? |
| 04:00.47 | michan | Lee_: yeah, i've tried that. 1280x800 isn't an option. i'm using vesa drivers right now |
| 04:01.06 | sudonim | oh, and I can also get in to the box through both no problem |
| 04:01.22 | Compupaq | hey- when i try to install using netinstall, the keyboard doesnt work past the first boot screen |
| 04:01.23 | nimak | ubuntu uses xorg |
| 04:01.42 | michan | nimak: that's true. i'm not using xorg, i'm using xfree86 |
| 04:01.50 | mwilson | michan: You didn't stay with Ubuntu because...? |
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| 04:02.55 | michan | mwilson: heh, well i've been using ubuntu for a long time, and i'm using it on my desktop too, so i decided to try suse. i didn't like it, so i decided to try debian. and tomorrow i'm interviewing richard stallman for an article (i live in boston) and i'm using this laptop as a microphone |
| 04:03.07 | dondelelcaro | sudonim: you can't have multiple default gateways unless you've read through the lartc and set up your interfaces appropriately. |
| 04:03.23 | mwilson | Why do people think operating systems are something you "try"? |
| 04:03.37 | Lee__ | extreme boredom |
| 04:03.42 | sudonim | dondelelcarlo: thanks. I will go look up lartc |
| 04:03.47 | bob2 | michan: bear in mind RMS dislikes Debian |
| 04:03.47 | dondelelcaro | !lartc |
| 04:03.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 04:04.06 | michan | bob2: does he really? heh, what does he use? |
| 04:04.10 | Lee__ | but there's a Hurd port! |
| 04:04.14 | bob2 | michan: some spanish distribution |
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| 04:04.23 | bob2 | michan: he dislikes the fact Debian has a non-free section |
| 04:04.27 | michan | bob2: i'll ask him tomorrow |
| 04:04.28 | dondelelcaro | bob2: he's pulled that recomendation too, iirc. |
| 04:04.29 | jair | guys where I can find a good documentation about how manipulate "grub" its features and tricks? |
| 04:04.39 | dondelelcaro | jair: info grub |
| 04:04.41 | p3rti | hi all |
| 04:04.42 | bob2 | michan: even tho it's not on all mirrors, is officially not part of Debian, and is not enabled by default in your sources.list |
| 04:04.48 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: the nvidia thing? |
| 04:04.57 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Why not. Nothing wrong with trying out different OSen. How else do you prpose that someone finds what works for them? |
| 04:05.01 | jair | dondelelcaro, it is in the dpkg bot? |
| 04:05.21 | dondelelcaro | jair: no. Type info grub; into a machine that has grub-doc installed. |
| 04:05.36 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I usually find that applications get work done. |
| 04:05.54 | syn_ack | good bye linux planet |
| 04:06.03 | michan | mwilson: what's wrong with trying different operating systems? so far ubuntu is my fav, but i might as well see what else is out there |
| 04:06.05 | jair | dondelelcaro, ohh ok |
| 04:06.06 | jair | cool |
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| 04:06.27 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: I like frogs. |
| 04:06.41 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Good for you. |
| 04:06.46 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Now that we're done with that. Just what do you think is wrong with trying out new things? |
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| 04:06.59 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Old joke basically you have to be from the NW to get it. :) |
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| 04:07.33 | kg4wxw | woot |
| 04:07.48 | kg4wxw | is aptget still used or have we moved to something else? |
| 04:07.59 | TML | kg4wxw: apt-get |
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| 04:08.11 | dondelelcaro | kg4wxw: most people are using aptitude, but you can use apt-get if you want. |
| 04:08.17 | ENCOMPASS | greetings everyone |
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| 04:08.27 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Most? |
| 04:08.33 | dondelelcaro | (well, most are probably using aptitude, hard to say for certain) |
| 04:09.10 | ENCOMPASS | How do I change my default resolution in the xf68conf file? |
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| 04:09.42 | dondelelcaro | ENCOMPASS: whatever is listed first in the Screen section is your default resolution. |
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| 04:10.19 | ENCOMPASS | ohh |
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| 04:10.24 | kg4wxw | got a url for aptitude by any chance? |
| 04:10.27 | ENCOMPASS | let me look here then |
| 04:10.34 | TML | kg4wxw: apt-get install aptitude |
| 04:10.38 | perti | hi |
| 04:10.38 | nimak | ok, it doesnt work |
| 04:10.38 | kg4wxw | and thank you for the answer |
| 04:10.44 | perti | i have a little problem.. |
| 04:11.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell perti -about ask |
| 04:11.25 | Lee__ | so I'm not ready to bypass init yet and I set /etc/inittab to execute '/bin/bash --login' at boot time. but now it doesn't know about ~ |
| 04:11.36 | ENCOMPASS | I tried apt-get emacs and it didn't install it said the package was missing or something. am I using the wrong command? |
| 04:11.41 | sparr | can i make an arbitrary X app launch on a particular non-focused desktop? |
| 04:11.55 | dondelelcaro | ENCOMPASS: it's emacs21; /msg dpkg search |
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| 04:12.15 | TML | sparr: DISPLAY=foo myXapp |
| 04:12.21 | ENCOMPASS | giid question sparr I wish I knew that too |
| 04:12.42 | TML | sparr: Where "foo" is the desktop you want it to be displayed on |
| 04:12.47 | FuzzplugJones | i'm trying to trudge through my first ever debian box (linux user since '98) and I've set up some stuff in /etc/crontab to execute with my username, but everytime i get " Error: bad username; while reading /etc/crontab" - jobs for root run fine. |
| 04:12.48 | ENCOMPASS | cool |
| 04:13.08 | kg4wxw | thanks again for al the help have a good night |
| 04:13.13 | bob2 | FuzzplugJones: I'm pretty sure that doesn't work on any version of cron, ever |
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| 04:13.22 | bob2 | FuzzplugJones: run "crontab -e" as your user and set your jobs up |
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| 04:13.35 | sparr | TML: what about something being opened by another app? |
| 04:13.38 | FuzzplugJones | bob2, really? Isn't the point of debian not to release anything that doesn't work? |
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| 04:13.50 | p0kem0n | hi |
| 04:13.51 | FuzzplugJones | i'm not being funny, I'm saying this as a Gentoo user trying to get away from broken stuff |
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| 04:14.10 | TML | sparr: Then you'd have to look into the documentation for that other app |
| 04:14.18 | sparr | TML: so thats a "no" |
| 04:14.19 | Lee__ | crontab -e isn't hard to remember. that's how you edit your crontab. |
| 04:14.25 | doleyb | FuzzplugJones: you aren't allowed to edit crontab manually |
| 04:14.30 | FuzzplugJones | i'm not saying it's hard to remember |
| 04:14.33 | bob2 | FuzzplugJones: what the fuck? |
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| 04:14.40 | bob2 | FuzzplugJones: no, you're doing it wrong |
| 04:14.46 | TML | sparr: That's a "I can't speak for your application, esp. without knowing what it is" |
| 04:14.50 | bob2 | FuzzplugJones: users edit their crontab with "crontab -e" |
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| 04:15.10 | FuzzplugJones | bob2, I understand that *now*, but I wasn't aware the username field in /etc/crontab doesn't work. |
| 04:15.22 | FuzzplugJones | and for the record the manpage says /etc/crontab can be edited by hand |
| 04:15.24 | bob2 | FuzzplugJones: well, it does |
| 04:15.28 | bob2 | FuzzplugJones: it can be |
| 04:15.55 | FuzzplugJones | jeez, every time i ask for easier ways to do things than editing files by hand people look at me like a windows noob. Now I'm trying to edit something by hand and people are all like NOOOOO :) |
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| 04:16.01 | paxl | Argh.. nothign to do.. event with a 2.6.13.3 kernel.. I still can't mount my ipw2200 module :S |
| 04:16.12 | FuzzplugJones | didn't mean to be flamebait |
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| 04:16.57 | bob2 | you don't "mount" modules |
| 04:17.12 | Fallacy | Linux newbie, with a few debian related questions coming atcha : 0 |
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| 04:17.12 | paxl | bob2: yeah.. I know this |
| 04:17.14 | p3rt1 | sorry |
| 04:17.16 | paxl | ismoding ;) |
| 04:17.19 | p3rt1 | i was disconnected |
| 04:17.57 | cddesjar | what are your questions? |
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| 04:18.03 | p3rt1 | i get the following problem when i try to compile a software in vtk |
| 04:18.04 | p3rt1 | /usr/bin/ld: no se puede encontrar -ltiff |
| 04:18.19 | p3rt1 | Building executable /home/perti/Tutorial/Cone... |
| 04:18.19 | p3rt1 | /usr/bin/ld: no se puede encontrar -ltiff |
| 04:18.19 | p3rt1 | collect2: ld devolvió el estado de salida 1 |
| 04:18.23 | Fallacy | Well, I have some basic exp with Linux, I've used at least 30 distributions, problem is i havent used any more than a week |
| 04:18.25 | Fallacy | anyway, |
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| 04:18.31 | ke6isf | !tell p3rt1 -about flood |
| 04:18.34 | Fallacy | I really like the sounds of debian and i want to do a net install |
| 04:18.39 | Fallacy | but im skeptic with a few things |
| 04:18.47 | cddesjar | ok |
| 04:18.47 | bob2 | p3rt1: a) don't paste in here, b) this is an english speaking channel |
| 04:18.49 | cddesjar | what about |
| 04:19.07 | TML | p3rt1: Well, you'd really need to look into the vtk documentation, but it seems to me like you don't have libtiff in a place the linker can find it |
| 04:19.07 | ke6isf | Fallacy: What's on your mind? |
| 04:19.25 | Fallacy | Well as I said I'm a linux newb, but a computer's in general nbewbie etc |
| 04:19.29 | Fallacy | would i be able to follow it? |
| 04:19.37 | Fallacy | How do I know i'm downloading the right stuff for my machine? |
| 04:19.42 | bob2 | you won't |
| 04:19.46 | cddesjar | d/l netinstall |
| 04:19.49 | TML | FuzzplugJones: pm me the /etc/crontab line you were trying to use, because it works fine here. |
| 04:19.50 | cddesjar | follow instructions |
| 04:19.51 | Fallacy | I want to be able to game, program etc but im not sure which packages i'd need |
| 04:19.53 | bob2 | if you have no idea and are unwilling to learn, ubuntu is not for you |
| 04:19.58 | bob2 | er, debian |
| 04:19.58 | ke6isf | Fallacy: Well, if it's not the right thing, you can always remove it. |
| 04:20.01 | FuzzplugJones | tml just a sec |
| 04:20.11 | Lee__ | what's the name of that program that generates big ASCII characters from text you give it? |
| 04:20.14 | cddesjar | just install the desktop |
| 04:20.15 | Fallacy | I'm just asking if someone with very basic exp can foolow the net install? |
| 04:20.28 | doleyb | Lee__: banner |
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| 04:20.40 | ke6isf | !tell Fallacy -about apostrophe |
| 04:20.40 | bob2 | Fallacy: the installer is simple, yes |
| 04:20.42 | Lee__ | Fallacy: if you read the instructions, you can perform a net install. what hardware are you using? |
| 04:20.42 | bob2 | Lee__: figlet |
| 04:20.48 | Frem | Fallacy: If you can read, and you can comprehend what you read, you can install and use Debian just fine. |
| 04:20.49 | TML | Fallacy: For some definitions of basic experience, yes |
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| 04:20.55 | Lee__ | doleyb, bob2: thanks |
| 04:21.10 | cddesjar | just install fedora core |
| 04:21.14 | cddesjar | it's better than debian anyways |
| 04:21.23 | nimak | ewww |
| 04:21.23 | bob2 | fedora core is an even worse choice |
| 04:21.28 | Fallacy | I had fedora, didnt like it |
| 04:21.31 | Frem | flamebait! |
| 04:21.31 | TML | cddesjar: Don't troll |
| 04:21.36 | Fallacy | performed sort of slow on my machine = / |
| 04:21.36 | cddesjar | ha ha ha |
| 04:21.37 | doleyb | cddesjar: haha, fedora is worse for newbies than debian, they say "Wha, my MP3 don't work" |
| 04:21.48 | Fallacy | I had mp3 support, followed the FAQ |
| 04:21.57 | Fallacy | I'm not that newb, i'm just not "console friendly" |
| 04:22.14 | nimak | ubuntu? |
| 04:22.18 | cddesjar | i would use windows |
| 04:22.18 | Frem | Debian is faster then Fedora. If you don't like consoles, try Ubuntu. |
| 04:22.24 | cddesjar | i hard it's faster and better than linux |
| 04:22.27 | cddesjar | and it's open source |
| 04:22.30 | TML | Frem: "faster"? |
| 04:22.43 | cddesjar | debian is way faster than fedora |
| 04:22.46 | cddesjar | fedora is a pig |
| 04:22.54 | Fallacy | i like consoles, i'm just not good in them |
| 04:22.56 | SimonRaven | big pig |
| 04:23.13 | Frem | cddesjar: windows is open source? |
| 04:23.21 | cddesjar | i am friggin' around |
| 04:23.27 | cddesjar | i use debian testing |
| 04:23.29 | cddesjar | it's the best |
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| 04:23.46 | cddesjar | i would never change from debian (except maybe to ubuntu...but i dig the philosophy of debian way more) |
| 04:24.10 | TML | cddesjar: Again, please stop trolling. Some people don't know that you're trying to be funny, the rest of us don't think it's funny anyways |
| 04:24.23 | cddesjar | ok TML |
| 04:24.26 | Frem | I'm using Stable. The only package I really wish I had are those cool e17 pre-alpha packages. ^_^ |
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| 04:25.20 | cddesjar | why can't you get them Frem? |
| 04:25.30 | cddesjar | are they in testing or unstable? |
| 04:25.38 | cddesjar | or experimental? |
| 04:25.38 | Frem | none |
| 04:25.41 | SimonRaven | no |
| 04:25.49 | Frem | they are unofficial, and for unstable. |
| 04:25.53 | Fallacy | do i have to download debian with gnome ? |
| 04:25.55 | SimonRaven | 3rd party debs, for x86 only |
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| 04:26.07 | SimonRaven | Fallacy: *blink* what? |
| 04:26.07 | cddesjar | when you d/l debian it comes with gnome and kde |
| 04:26.13 | cddesjar | or it least it did for me |
| 04:26.17 | cddesjar | at/it |
| 04:26.20 | Fallacy | = / |
| 04:26.24 | Fallacy | I don't want either |
| 04:26.26 | Fallacy | : o |
| 04:26.40 | cddesjar | you can always apt-get purge kdelibs3 kdelibs4 gnome |
| 04:26.41 | Frem | The e17 foundation libs be *such* a cool base for a game. Think of all the fx you could pull off with them. |
| 04:26.47 | cddesjar | what do you want fallacy? |
| 04:26.54 | Fallacy | I really like flux / xfce4 |
| 04:27.00 | liable | Fallacy: of course you dont have to have it. |
| 04:27.10 | liable | Fallacy: just install what you want.. |
| 04:27.15 | SimonRaven | Fallacy: you can also not do that, and fetch fluxbox or ion3 for all we care. it's your machine |
| 04:27.35 | cddesjar | they speak the truth! |
| 04:27.38 | Fallacy | : o |
| 04:27.41 | ice_1963 | i run xfce4 |
| 04:27.52 | Frem | Fallacy: Just pick whatever. I just installed the base package set and then apt-get'ed everything from the command line. |
| 04:28.07 | Fallacy | so many packages to remember : O |
| 04:28.14 | alekzandr | i am rebuilding a failed debian sarge server, can i take the /etc/passwd file from the old one and copy it to the new one to bring over all the users? |
| 04:28.28 | Frem | Fallacy: Get a notebook and start writing stuff down. That helped me alot. |
| 04:28.42 | SimonRaven | alekzandr: sure. just make sure the ownerships are ok |
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| 04:28.55 | Fallacy | i have a piece of paper with my favorite apps |
| 04:29.07 | Fallacy | but not all the packages to program and stuff, libraries all that |
| 04:29.13 | SimonRaven | alekzandr: the system bases ownerships on uid numbers, not names |
| 04:29.26 | ENCOMPASS | SimonRaven can I have your autograph? |
| 04:29.43 | Fallacy | you can have mine |
| 04:29.45 | SimonRaven | ENCOMPASS: what? |
| 04:29.49 | Frem | Fallacy: The libs with be automatically detected and installed for you when you get the apps. Debian is nice that way. :-) |
| 04:29.56 | Fallacy | : o |
| 04:30.00 | Fallacy | that. kicks. ass. |
| 04:30.12 | Fallacy | what about something like an IDE? |
| 04:30.15 | Fallacy | Anjuta for example |
| 04:30.19 | cddesjar | nice the sunday evening CBC movie |
| 04:30.19 | ENCOMPASS | outside of an e your name is Raven Simone |
| 04:30.20 | Frem | you can apt-get that. |
| 04:30.26 | cddesjar | it's b&w |
| 04:30.41 | Fallacy | Raven Simone sucks |
| 04:30.44 | SimonRaven | ENCOMPASS: yeh, but isn't my name. |
| 04:30.48 | TML | bob2: FWIW, the username field in /etc/crontab works just fine, as long as you get the right values in the right fields |
| 04:30.48 | Fallacy | no wonder her game, album & show all suck |
| 04:30.59 | ENCOMPASS | haha, I know, but first famous person I ever met |
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| 04:31.25 | Frem | Fallacy: after you get debian installed, you can use the command 'apt-cache search packagename' to find programs you want. |
| 04:31.25 | Fallacy | she annoys me |
| 04:31.25 | ENCOMPASS | she got punked once, that was funny |
| 04:31.32 | Fallacy | icic |
| 04:31.36 | SimonRaven | ENCOMPASS: i'm not her. |
| 04:31.40 | Fallacy | well i mine as well try it, i ran out of blank cd's |
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| 04:31.43 | ENCOMPASS | haha, I know |
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| 04:31.47 | Fallacy | so ill do the netinst with floppies |
| 04:31.50 | bob2 | TML: right |
| 04:31.59 | renga | una ayuda alguien por ahi... |
| 04:32.04 | Frem | Fallacy: floppies?! great pain awaits you... |
| 04:32.06 | ke6isf | !es |
| 04:32.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:32.15 | Fallacy | : o |
| 04:32.18 | ke6isf | Fallacy: Why in tarnations are you using floppies?! |
| 04:32.32 | TML | bob2: FuzzplugJones just had too many "date" fields |
| 04:32.37 | ENCOMPASS | like most of us... for the heck of it |
| 04:32.39 | ENCOMPASS | haha |
| 04:32.41 | renga | a little help someone... |
| 04:32.44 | Fallacy | i ran out of cd;s >< |
| 04:32.52 | Frem | You'll need like six or seven of them, and they get corrupted if you so much as breathe on them. |
| 04:32.57 | ke6isf | Fallacy: Good reason, I guess. |
| 04:32.59 | ENCOMPASS | renga what do you need |
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| 04:33.09 | FuzzplugJones | TML thanks for the great quick help, I appreciate it. |
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| 04:33.33 | Lee__ | does the via unichrome DRI module in the 2.6.13 kernel also need a patched xfree86 for sarge? |
| 04:33.51 | TML | FuzzplugJones: I'd just like to reiterate that I think you misread the inital response to your question. #debian just sounds that way all the time |
| 04:33.52 | kALot | hi! i need a quick help : I reinstall windows, and i lost my grub, how to fix it. I cant boot to my debian ? |
| 04:34.03 | nimak | Fallacy: you dont need floppies/cds for netinst |
| 04:34.05 | FuzzplugJones | TML fair enough, my apologies to anyone I have offended |
| 04:34.17 | Fallacy | i dont ?! |
| 04:34.26 | Lee__ | kALot: why did you reinstall Windows? |
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| 04:34.39 | ENCOMPASS | hahha windows haha |
| 04:34.46 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 04:35.00 | FuzzplugJones | but I'm sure you can understand that asking Linux questions on IRC is, the majority of the time, a high risk for flaming (remember, in '98 you had to use EFnet, at which point most people's advice was "become root and type rm -rf /") |
| 04:35.01 | renga | encompass,I just installed the nforce audio drivers, then ran alsaconf and everythig seens to be all right, but the computer does not sound |
| 04:35.10 | TML | kALot: Grab your boot CD. You'll need to know where your Linux root partition is. Interrupt the grub menu and add "root=/your/root" to the boot command, like "root=/dev/hda1" |
| 04:35.20 | IonicDomain | How can I make an .iso image out of the files I downloaded for Debian? I accidentally unzipped the files and deleted the image, being the beginner I am. Is there anyway to re-zip or recreate the image somehow with redownloading debian? |
| 04:35.36 | sparr | TML: i dont want an application-specific solution, hence 'arbitrary' in my question |
| 04:35.46 | TML | sparr: Every application is different |
| 04:35.54 | kALot | ermss |
| 04:36.03 | Lee__ | kALot: boot off a knoppix cd and reinstall GRUB into the MBR of your root disk. |
| 04:36.07 | Frem | IonicDomain: wait a sec, I wrote a how-to on how do this with knoppix. you can easily adapt it to Debian. |
| 04:36.11 | TML | kALot: Once it's booted off the CD, re-install grub |
| 04:36.14 | Lee__ | or is it Grub? |
| 04:36.18 | nimak | Fallacy, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en#files-lilo |
| 04:36.28 | sparr | TML: right, so, like i said, thats why i dont want an application specific solution |
| 04:36.33 | kALot | ok thanks |
| 04:36.37 | ENCOMPASS | renga have you tried adusting the audio when you are roo? |
| 04:36.38 | kALot | i want try it :) |
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| 04:36.41 | ENCOMPASS | renga have you tried adusting the audio when you are root? |
| 04:36.43 | Lee__ | oh, and stop installing Windows. |
| 04:36.46 | nimak | erm |
| 04:36.48 | nimak | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 04:36.52 | Frem | IonicDomain: http://www.wambooli.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=246 |
| 04:37.02 | renga | encompass, i used alsaconf as root |
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| 04:37.13 | IonicDomain | thank you very much |
| 04:37.17 | ENCOMPASS | try adusting the valume |
| 04:37.21 | TML | sparr: If your question is "Is there a unified way to get application A to open application B on an X display other than itself, without foreknowledge of what applications A or B are?", the answer is No |
| 04:37.28 | Frem | IonicDomain: That's for Knoppix, but if you just skip past the part about downloading the ISO, you should have no trouble. :-) |
| 04:37.46 | IonicDomain | Yep. |
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| 04:38.03 | TML | I'm curious how you unzipped your ISO? |
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| 04:39.07 | FuzzplugJones | i would like to change a config file using a script (bash, tcsh, whatever), what's the best way to do that? I'll learn how to do it but I'm not sure where to start. |
| 04:39.30 | bob2 | and the config file is...? |
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| 04:39.46 | renga | encompass, another idea? |
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| 04:40.18 | FuzzplugJones | bob2, well to tell the truth i'd like to do it to many conf files, httpd.conf, smb.conf - I'm trying to see if it's possible to save some time installing the "base" server I usually have to install |
| 04:40.33 | MaestroTechie | hi guys, i was wondering if someone could help me get my tv tuner card working? i know close to nothing about linux :: sigh :: and i'm trying to get a mythtv box up and going. I have a ATI TV Wonder VE card and am running the Debian distro. Could someone tell me where to start troubling shooting this? I know this card uses the bttv driver.. |
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| 04:40.47 | ENCOMPASS | does the valume ajust when you are root? if so you soundcard is set up right but the sound group is only setup for root, so just ad your users to the sound group |
| 04:40.48 | FuzzplugJones | so best I can figure, the best way to do that is to apt-get install the packages i need and then change a few things here and there... sick of doing it by hand |
| 04:40.49 | TML | FuzzplugJones: I recommend "Beginning Linux Programming" from Wrox as a decent first book |
| 04:40.52 | bob2 | FuzzplugJones: this seems like a bad plan |
| 04:40.55 | Lee__ | FuzzplugJones: don't waste your time unless you have many, many systems to manage. Then you might use Perl. |
| 04:40.56 | bob2 | FuzzplugJones: use cfengine |
| 04:41.03 | ENCOMPASS | Thats the best I can give you |
| 04:41.04 | FuzzplugJones | cfengine? ok. |
| 04:41.29 | Lee__ | !tell MaestroTechie about ATI |
| 04:42.01 | SimonRaven | it's group audio, FYI |
| 04:42.09 | Ritemal | Hey, how do I go about making Linux see my Sound Blaster Audigy sound card? It's currently only looking at my integrated audio, can't seem to figure out how to get it to look anywhere else. |
| 04:42.10 | ENCOMPASS | oops ya that one |
| 04:42.29 | bob2 | Ritemal: disable on-board sound in your bios |
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| 04:42.51 | Ritemal | thanks |
| 04:42.54 | MaestroTechie | uhm, ok. |
| 04:42.57 | ENCOMPASS | thats the easy way |
| 04:43.15 | ENCOMPASS | but what if you want both cards to work |
| 04:43.17 | MaestroTechie | this isn't a Radeon video card, it is a TV Tuner card. |
| 04:43.38 | Lee__ | made by ATI. |
| 04:43.41 | MaestroTechie | and it is known to work with linux |
| 04:43.55 | MaestroTechie | using the bttv driver. |
| 04:43.55 | bob2 | ENCOMPASS: then do that |
| 04:44.00 | Lee__ | cool, so why doesn't it work for your Linux? |
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| 04:44.06 | bob2 | ENCOMPASS: have both modules loaded and configure things to use whatever device you like |
| 04:44.19 | ENCOMPASS | don't know, in fedora core the have a nice little sound thingy that does it for ya |
| 04:44.22 | ENCOMPASS | google it |
| 04:44.24 | TML | MaestroTechie: None of the existing mythtv documentation or howtos cover how to compile a kernel? |
| 04:44.28 | MaestroTechie | because there is a 'stupid' setting at the keyboard who doesn't know how to troubleshoot his devices. |
| 04:45.06 | ENCOMPASS | I am outa here ladies and gents |
| 04:45.17 | ENCOMPASS | have a good evening, or morning for me in finland |
| 04:45.44 | Lee__ | MaestroTechie: is the bttv kernel module loaded? |
| 04:45.54 | MaestroTechie | yes |
| 04:46.02 | MaestroTechie | i believe so, Lee. |
| 04:46.18 | MaestroTechie | is that what lsmod for? |
| 04:46.26 | Lee__ | what does lsmod | grep bttv output? |
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| 04:48.02 | timo | ls |
| 04:48.20 | TML | timo: You don't want to see the output from that. :) |
| 04:48.38 | alekzandr | what do i need to do to enable webmin access? |
| 04:49.02 | MaestroTechie | Lee__: it outputs 5 lines |
| 04:49.14 | MaestroTechie | bttv 89984 0 |
| 04:49.32 | MaestroTechie | i2c-algo-bit 6376 1 [bttv] |
| 04:49.33 | Lee__ | good. it's loaded. so what's your problem exactly? |
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| 04:50.18 | MaestroTechie | i guess if its working....i just need a proggie to use it, eh? |
| 04:50.31 | MaestroTechie | any suggestions on making sure it is working. |
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| 04:51.16 | Lee__ | I think it's time for you to read the mythtv documentation |
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| 04:52.32 | MaestroTechie | Lee__: i have. I've been working on this for a week. don't go 'rtfm' with me. |
| 04:52.46 | MaestroTechie | i'm already at the end of my rope. |
| 04:52.47 | Lee__ | then what happened when you used your "proggie"? |
| 04:53.40 | MaestroTechie | i'm tried to "proggies": tvtime & xawtv |
| 04:53.49 | MaestroTechie | both say it cannot open display. |
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| 04:54.27 | MaestroTechie | two ^ |
| 04:54.55 | Lee__ | what's the output of ls -l /dev/video* |
| 04:55.16 | SimonRaven | @ping |
| 04:55.17 | ravenbird | pong |
| 04:55.56 | MaestroTechie | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2005-10-08 16:25 /dev/video -> video0 |
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| 04:56.49 | Lee__ | how about ls -l /dev/video0 |
| 04:57.06 | MaestroTechie | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2005-02-26 01:43 /dev/video0 |
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| 04:57.41 | encompass | hello again |
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| 04:57.51 | MaestroTechie | encompass: hi there. |
| 04:58.19 | encompass | I am trying to combile a program, but it tells me I don't have ncurses installed, I think I do, what do I do to fix this? |
| 04:58.36 | caphuso | encompass: install libncurses5-dev |
| 04:58.52 | encompass | I need the dev! oh! |
| 04:58.56 | encompass | let me try it |
| 04:59.41 | MaestroTechie | Lee___: crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2005-02-26 01:43 /dev/video0 |
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| 05:01.04 | Lee__ | MaestroTechie: and finally, what's the output of 'id' (without quotes)? |
| 05:01.18 | nick__ | MaestroTechie, what does the cmd: groups return? |
| 05:01.30 | paxl | somone here is using instable and having problem with ipw2200.. firmware don't want to load.. |
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| 05:02.33 | nick__ | MaestroTechie, is your user a part of the video group? |
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| 05:03.17 | wookienz | when i turn on squid i no longer can access the net....it errors saying it cant find the url, but it is looking for the part fothe url after the first slash... ie it looks for "/linunx" of the url htt://www.google.com/linux... amy thoughts? |
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| 05:03.32 | encompass | MaestroTechie works great thanks |
| 05:03.39 | kuhwallskee | I just installed by boot strapping an install image.. how would I upgrade from woody to sarge w/o having to do tftp and all the crazy stuff again |
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| 05:04.26 | caphuso | kuhwallskee: /msg dpkg srn |
| 05:04.32 | MaestroTechie | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
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| 05:04.44 | MaestroTechie | Lee___: uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 05:05.00 | Lee__ | you're running as root? |
| 05:05.12 | jair | it is a #mathematics channel in IRC? |
| 05:05.33 | MaestroTechie | ??? |
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| 05:05.42 | jair | I have a friend that is studying maths and he want to get involve with a grup of math gurus hahaha :) |
| 05:05.48 | MaestroTechie | running as root is the least of my problems. |
| 05:05.49 | Share | how does one setup apt to pull sources for etch rather than sarge? |
| 05:05.51 | jair | I know sounds crazy but yes |
| 05:06.08 | caphuso | jair: a few hundred, probably |
| 05:06.27 | jair | caphuso, any idea of how to find one at least? |
| 05:06.42 | jair | caphuso, are you good in math? |
| 05:07.11 | caphuso | jair: well, there might be a slim chance that IRC channel about math are called #math, or #maths, or #mathematics |
| 05:07.31 | jair | ohh let me check about it |
| 05:07.47 | caphuso | now you might want to turn your own brain on |
| 05:07.47 | jair | yep |
| 05:07.55 | jair | caphuso, right |
| 05:08.02 | jair | #math exist |
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| 05:08.54 | carlos_ | hi |
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| 05:09.09 | smacnay | is there a way to ping a range of addresses on a lan to determine which are active? |
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| 05:09.17 | nvz | caphuso: you mean its safe to use that thing on his neck for something other than a hatrack? |
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| 05:09.34 | bob2 | smacnay: sudo nmap -sP -TInsane 192.168.22.0/24 |
| 05:09.36 | carlos_ | help me |
| 05:09.44 | smacnay | bob2: thanks |
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| 05:09.57 | bob2 | carlos_: ask a question |
| 05:09.58 | caphuso | nvz: yeah, for example: keeping the rain out of your neck |
| 05:10.01 | nvz | carlos_: take off your tin foil hat, so we can read your mind |
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| 05:12.44 | Lee__ | good night. |
| 05:13.06 | carlos_ | I don't mont ntfs partition in ubuntu. I don't speak eng. |
| 05:13.21 | nvz | no help for you :P |
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| 05:13.32 | jbroome | !it |
| 05:13.32 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 05:14.01 | carlos_ | ciao como va? |
| 05:14.08 | carlos_ | *come |
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| 05:17.21 | Share | anyone around that can tell me about xorg and sarge? |
| 05:17.40 | nvz | Share: sure, it doesn't exist |
| 05:17.51 | Share | there's some way with expermental packages you can do it |
| 05:17.51 | nvz | !+info xserver-xorg sarge |
| 05:17.55 | dpkg | Package 'xserver-xorg' does not exist. |
| 05:18.18 | nvz | !experimental |
| 05:18.18 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 05:18.24 | Share | yes i know |
| 05:18.31 | nvz | !xorg sarge |
| 05:18.31 | dpkg | i heard xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 05:18.40 | Share | it doesn't work |
| 05:18.46 | Share | the packages are there |
| 05:18.53 | Share | but the apt source list is messed |
| 05:19.03 | nvz | !sns syndrome |
| 05:19.03 | dpkg | methinks sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 05:19.19 | Share | har har |
| 05:19.27 | Share | but /. hasn't had shit on this in months is my guess |
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| 05:20.53 | nvz | well thats all I have for you. I covered all the bases. there is no xorg in sarge, #debian doesnt support experimental, and I showed you the backports. and even made you aware of a possible condition you may want to seek help with |
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| 05:21.58 | ZeXr0 | I'll stick with debian, it's easier and funnier |
| 05:22.25 | nvz | ZeXr0: whatever pulls your bandwagon, and tickles your funny bone |
| 05:22.47 | pacman | hmm... I've accused coworkers of having Shiny Object Syndrome before. Someone else had almost the same idea |
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| 05:23.26 | nvz | I made another factoid for Shiny New License Syndrome, but it dissapeared |
| 05:23.57 | nvz | it was brought on by people comming in talking about a new GPL that hasn't even been released |
| 05:24.16 | pacman | but when I coined the term, I was using it to refer to a preference for having the most bloated possible user interfaces to simple procedures |
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| 05:26.08 | nvz | I need to make a fortunes file with names in it to choose names for me at random. I have this problem when I am programming with dwelling too long on what to call something |
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| 05:26.53 | pacman | ppc memory layout is odd. program text starts at 0x10000000, ldso maps at 0x30000000, and userspace ends at 0x80000000... it's already fragmented before you even get started. |
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| 05:27.06 | nvz | heh |
| 05:27.25 | freedy | #surabaya |
| 05:27.51 | askance | anybody know how to make acpi script work? |
| 05:27.56 | nvz | PPC is antique museum stuff |
| 05:28.20 | pacman | no matter how much free space you have from 0x0 through 0x10000000 or from 0x10000000 through 0x30000000, mmap() won't return it unless you figure out what address is available and ask for it specifically |
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| 05:29.13 | chr1z | is testing broken for some reason? |
| 05:29.37 | askance | trying to suspend, but computer screen just flashes and doesn't enter suspend mode |
| 05:29.40 | chr1z | apt keeps giving me errors on my new install about e2fsprogs |
| 05:29.47 | jm_ | maybe it's broken for test reasons! |
| 05:29.47 | pacman | it's testing, isn't that reason enough? |
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| 05:29.54 | caphuso | chr1z: upgrade to sarge first |
| 05:30.00 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:31.23 | ron_ | grr i really need some help here |
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| 05:31.28 | chr1z | caphuso: how would i go about doing that? |
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| 05:31.40 | nvz | I think my brother is huffing NO^2 |
| 05:31.48 | chr1z | go join him |
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| 05:31.51 | caphuso | chr1z: same way you do it right now, but with an adjusted /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:32.01 | nvz | he's been laughing his ass off non-stop all day |
| 05:32.02 | LunarC | Is there a way to disable middle-click pasting in X? |
| 05:32.04 | jbroome | nvz: real men huff CO |
| 05:32.19 | ron_ | after an apt-get upgrade once i connect to the internet via modem konqueror takes 5 mins to start and other net based programs just freeze |
| 05:32.21 | otroean | Having big problems with samba. When i try to acces my debian samba server from another machine it just says. Network source not found or you don't have access... |
| 05:33.27 | ron_ | i can't find anything on google about this behavior |
| 05:33.41 | mwilson | LunarC: X provides mechanism, not policy. If you want middle click to do something, then the application has to make it do something. Or not do something. |
| 05:33.42 | caphuso | LunarC: depends on whatever app you are talking about |
| 05:33.53 | LunarC | ah, alright |
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| 05:34.19 | LunarC | it became a problem because I started randomly pasting things into my program when mouse-wheeling =/ |
| 05:34.33 | ron_ | anyone? |
| 05:34.36 | mwilson | LunarC: You could tell xterm, or mozilla, for instance, to not insert PRIMARY (well, Moz doesn't insert PRIMARY, but you get the idea), or anything else you wanted. |
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| 05:34.45 | pacman | I find the mouse wheel to be a problem because it starts randomly wheeling when I'm trying to paste something. |
| 05:34.56 | LunarC | alright, thanks |
| 05:35.05 | caphuso | pacman: sucky mouse |
| 05:35.08 | pacman | gimme a good mouse with 3 equally-sized buttons! |
| 05:35.08 | mwilson | LunarC: GTK being GTK, there's probably some incredibly stupid environment variable you have to set to change things. |
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| 05:35.31 | mwilson | LunarC: Rather than a sane X resource setting. |
| 05:35.47 | LunarC | heh, alright |
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| 05:36.01 | ron_ | can anyone help me?// i'm sure this is a debian problem because its happened on 2 different machines now |
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| 05:36.16 | ron_ | apt-get upgrade=evil |
| 05:36.25 | gpm | should udev conflict with libgphoto2-2? it seems like a bug, but i'm not sure and i don't want to unfile a bug report and go d'oh later. |
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| 05:36.54 | mwilson | Oh, gee... something else d'Itri has broken? |
| 05:37.01 | nvz | heh |
| 05:37.06 | gpm | huh? |
| 05:37.21 | mwilson | The udev "maintainer". |
| 05:37.22 | caphuso | $ apt-cache show libgphoto2-2 | grep \^Conf |
| 05:37.22 | caphuso | Conflicts: gphoto2 (<= 2.1.1), udev (>= 0.070-3) |
| 05:37.34 | ron_ | udev is my proplem too i think those devolopers can't get it right...they release udev packages often for kernels that aren't out on debian |
| 05:37.40 | mwilson | GREATER THAN? |
| 05:38.15 | mwilson | Oh. The hotplug/coldplug stupidity, right. |
| 05:38.18 | nvz | thats not the case in sarge |
| 05:38.25 | ron_ | udev has more bugs than a cheap hotel seems to me |
| 05:38.27 | nvz | !conflicts libgphoto2-2 sarge |
| 05:38.30 | gpm | blah...maybe i should start using etch |
| 05:38.31 | dpkg | libgphoto2-2: gphoto2 (<= 2.1.1) |
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| 05:38.40 | pacman | ron_, you could try to collect some clues instead of just whining. have you run a tcpdump? strace anything? pings, traceroutes, ANY network diagnostics at all? |
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| 05:39.12 | mwilson | Are any other distributions screwing with udev in this manner, or is it his pet project to break things just for Debian? |
| 05:39.12 | chealer | you'd need more than etch... even sid may miss it |
| 05:39.35 | gpm | oi |
| 05:39.40 | ron_ | i've tried purgeing reinstalling and half the time people in here tend to flame so i'm edgy ok? |
| 05:39.46 | caphuso | mwilson: it only break in unstable, where it is allowed to |
| 05:39.47 | gpm | life is so hard. |
| 05:39.58 | mwilson | You don't hear about this hotplug/coldplug nonsense in Fedora, for example. |
| 05:39.58 | caphuso | s/break/\&s/ |
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| 05:40.39 | mwilson | Or the attendant "let's upload a version that deps on a kernel that doesn't exist" fun. |
| 05:40.40 | jbroome | you don't hear about people being able to tie their own shoes in Fedora either |
| 05:40.43 | john | i'm unsure, is it dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 05:40.49 | pacman | ron_, reinstalling things is not exactly the same as investigating the cause of the problem. In fact it's the opposite. |
| 05:40.54 | john | yes, nvm |
| 05:40.59 | caphuso | XParam is an extensible, type-safe, non-intrusive, object-oriented tool for general-purpose object serialization and deserialization in C++, good for parsing command-line parameters and |
| 05:40.59 | ron_ | well if a devoloper fucks up i'm suppossed to figure out what they did wrong.. in stable??? |
| 05:41.10 | caphuso | why the fuck do you need serialization for command line parsing? |
| 05:41.30 | ron_ | i apologize pacman its not you |
| 05:41.36 | mwilson | caphuso: If they're position-dependent? |
| 05:41.41 | gpm | yeah...fedora...maybe rpm isn't all that bad. |
| 05:41.42 | mwilson | ^_^ |
| 05:41.51 | caphuso | mwilson: *slap* |
| 05:42.05 | mwilson | <snicker> |
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| 05:42.16 | xxx | how do you install gnome 2.10 on debian sarge? |
| 05:42.24 | pacman | ron_, if you are willing to pay for a support contract then someone will probably be willing to hold your hand while you do the basic steps required to diagnose network problems. If you come to IRC for free help, you will have to do some (most) of the work. |
| 05:42.24 | mwilson | xxx: You don't. |
| 05:42.32 | xxx | there's got to be some way |
| 05:42.39 | gpm | haha |
| 05:42.42 | gpm | apt pinning? |
| 05:42.43 | apt | i guess pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read ... |
| 05:42.54 | Guerin | unwise |
| 05:42.55 | gpm | haha |
| 05:43.00 | gpm | i didn't even mean to do that |
| 05:43.00 | Guerin | you WILL break things horribly |
| 05:43.03 | jm_ | pinning's gotta be one of the stupidest advice people can get |
| 05:43.07 | nvz | gpm: :) |
| 05:43.23 | Guerin | simple sid backport might work, but will be stupid amounts of work |
| 05:43.33 | Guerin | might as well just run etch |
| 05:43.48 | gpm | yeah, if you want relatively new software, testing's 'da bomb |
| 05:43.48 | ron_ | i don't mind it i'm just testy about my previous experiences with some of the regs in this room i don't mind whatsoever getting under the hood i do it all the time |
| 05:43.53 | mwilson | xxx: Why does there have to be some way? |
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| 05:44.01 | gpm | lol |
| 05:44.01 | xxx | because I said so |
| 05:44.11 | gpm | xxx: you could always compile it yourself |
| 05:44.14 | xxx | i would like to run etch |
| 05:44.15 | Guerin | i say the pacific ocean is full of beer |
| 05:44.15 | mwilson | xxx: So what? |
| 05:44.19 | Guerin | but that don't make it so |
| 05:44.19 | xxx | i'm trying to do this the debian way |
| 05:44.24 | sam_ | w |
| 05:44.37 | gpm | xxx: there is no "debian way" to run gnome 2.10 on sarge |
| 05:44.38 | mwilson | THe Debian way is that you don't have Gnome 2.10 on Sarge. |
| 05:44.38 | Guerin | xxx: ask dpkg about sarge->etch |
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| 05:44.55 | AzMoo | Has anybody had any luck getting dual video cards to work in Xinerama mode? |
| 05:45.05 | Guerin | AzMoo: no luck required. |
| 05:45.13 | chealer | Guerin: arg...you're making me regret living in quebec |
| 05:45.20 | xxx | dpkg is being lame |
| 05:45.24 | Guerin | chealer: eh? |
| 05:45.32 | pacman | ron_, when your network connection is stalled you should try pinging your peer, traceroute -n to some IP address you know is reachable, try tcptraceroute too, run a tcpdump, watch the activity lights on the modem, take some notes. As a symptom, "It Doesn't Work" isn't very descriptive |
| 05:45.41 | chealer | Guerin: I'm closer to the Atlantic :) |
| 05:45.46 | Guerin | chealer: hah |
| 05:45.46 | mwilson | AzMoo: What's so hard? |
| 05:45.47 | AzMoo | Guerin: probably right there. I can't seem to get it working though. I can get each card to work single, but not together. |
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| 05:46.27 | gpm | mmm |
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| 05:46.30 | myren | how do i get a directory listing with the full paths? |
| 05:46.37 | myren | the absolute paths |
| 05:47.02 | caphuso | myren: find /path |
| 05:47.10 | AzMoo | mwilson: I don't know. I thought I'd got everything I needed, but it's not working, and there are no errors |
| 05:47.25 | AzMoo | It just loads up X on the single monitor |
| 05:47.32 | gpm | find is so much more useful than its name lets on. |
| 05:47.41 | ron_ | its not that packman its something with apt-get upgrade hence it becomes harder to pinpoint but what i do know is many program freeze once online but run fine offline ..i know this is specific to debian because i've had this on multiple machine with different hardware and different variants of debian |
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| 05:50.00 | mwilson | AzMoo: And have you written a server layout that specifies both screens? A screen for each device? And a device for each card? Do both cards initialize? That's what your log file is for. |
| 05:50.12 | ron_ | network and pings are fine its programs ..i've seen this behavior with hostname problems but not the case |
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| 05:50.57 | caphuso | ron_: what exactly takes so long? |
| 05:51.30 | pacman | ron_, then you need to fidn out what the offending program is doing. Check its CPU usage with top while it seems to be hung. If it's sleeping, use ps l. Adn strace -p is very informative |
| 05:51.46 | AzMoo | mwilson: yes on all counts. Should I pastebin the config and the log? |
| 05:52.34 | mwilson | AzMoo: If you like. |
| 05:52.36 | ron_ | ahh ty i'll give that a go but the programs a specificly konquer (kfmclient) gyache and limewire |
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| 05:55.21 | ron_ | could i use nice for more cpu usage and ignore it? |
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| 05:58.05 | AzMoo | mwilson: I think I found it ... |
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| 05:58.20 | pacman | I see why you don't get along with people. You seem to think you should get solution to your problem without ever understanding the cause. That's irritating. |
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| 05:58.46 | ron_ | me? |
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| 05:59.50 | AzMoo | pacman: who are you talking about? |
| 06:00.43 | atrus | latest udev in sid: anybody having issues with all the /dev/input/event* nodes not happening any more? |
| 06:01.07 | mwilson | atrus: udev is broken by definition. |
| 06:01.28 | ron_ | yes .. i have with udev for mouse mine changed to /dev/gpmdata |
| 06:01.38 | pacman | I was talking about ron_. I make an offhand suggestion that one of the many factors he might consider investigating is the CPU usage of a stuck process. He jumps to the conclusion that he should be able to tweak CPU priority and fix it, completely ignoring the fact that I'm trying to tell him to INVESTIGATE THE FSCKNIG PROBLEM. |
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| 06:02.08 | ron_ | grrrr i have over and over |
| 06:02.31 | ron_ | sorry i came in here as usual |
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| 06:03.46 | ron_ | i do my share of minal devolopment as well to try to give back to the community but i can't quit my job and move in with my mom because konquer breaks after an apt-get upgrade |
| 06:03.57 | atrus | mwilson: sure, whatever. that doesn't tell me why 0.70-3 would work worse than 0.70-2. so unless you have something constructive to add, eg, not trolling, please shut up. |
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| 06:05.55 | lehel | hello |
| 06:06.05 | AzMoo | The XFree86 log is telling me that: (EE) Screen 1 deleted because of no matching config section. My XF86Config-4 file is at http://www.pastebin.com/388793 . I can't see what's not matching, or what's missing :\ |
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| 06:06.30 | lehel | could smbdy help me to mount my win partitions? hda1 is unknown device (?) |
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| 06:07.04 | jm_ | start by looking at /proc/partitions |
| 06:07.13 | dorto | you sure your windows partitions are on hda drive? |
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| 06:07.29 | mwilson | AzMoo: Where's the log? |
| 06:08.29 | lehel | dorto: i'm not sure.. jm_: what sould i see there? |
| 06:08.41 | AzMoo | mwilson: http://pastebin.com/388797 |
| 06:08.44 | ron_ | anyway all have a good night ..sorry if i pissed you off pacman i was simply trying to get to the root of the issues |
| 06:08.49 | lehel | i mention that i have a sATA |
| 06:08.55 | dorto | lehel: try fdisk -l |
| 06:09.08 | Guerin | really ... 90% of current problems on debian seem to be to do with udev |
| 06:09.19 | Guerin | being horribly broken |
| 06:09.30 | pacman | and everything works fine after dpkg --purge udev |
| 06:09.45 | caphuso | 100% of my problems on debian are caused by the new nn package and i can't find a way to debug it :-/ |
| 06:09.50 | Guerin | i don't run it on any of my machines... so i've never really had a problem with it |
| 06:10.33 | mwilson | Wow, you've really written this configuration... oddly. |
| 06:10.52 | pepsi | hrm |
| 06:11.01 | AzMoo | mwilson: I was just hacking the pre-made one. |
| 06:11.20 | jm_ | lehel: what do you think you should see in a file called "partitions"? |
| 06:11.22 | lehel | dorto: i see there now the win partition, 8 5 62781988 scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 |
| 06:11.37 | lehel | ok jm_ |
| 06:11.38 | jm_ | sounds like devfs crap |
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| 06:11.47 | mwilson | Why're you specifying screen numbers in Device sections? |
| 06:12.05 | pepsi | Guerin, do you know if ubuntu breezy uses udev too? im having problems keeping /dev/parport0 existant |
| 06:12.06 | AzMoo | Because that's what the tute I was reading told me to do :\ |
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| 06:12.17 | mwilson | Your problem is line 411. |
| 06:12.26 | lehel | jm_: next step? pls |
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| 06:13.16 | jm_ | lehel: pls? |
| 06:13.28 | asuffield | pls is a playlist file |
| 06:13.30 | mwilson | Or line 84 in the config file, depending on how you look at it. |
| 06:13.52 | mwilson | Lines 77, 84, and 91 are all malformed. |
| 06:14.04 | asuffield | you can use Screen or BusID, but I don't think it makes any sense to use both at once |
| 06:14.07 | lehel | jm_.. i said please |
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| 06:14.13 | AzMoo | The BusID is wrong? |
| 06:14.19 | asuffield | AzMoo: lose the zeros |
| 06:14.39 | jm_ | lehel: no you didn't, you said pls - like I said, check the contents of /proc/partitions |
| 06:14.40 | Niriven | dont listen to azmoo, he/she thinks that floppies are useless :-0 |
| 06:14.52 | mwilson | AzMoo: Line 411 of the log file makes the problem obvious. |
| 06:15.19 | asuffield | I think you'll find BusID is a string match, even if they do look like numbers |
| 06:15.20 | lehel | jm_: i checked thi should be mounted: 8 5 62781988 scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 |
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| 06:16.30 | jm_ | lehel: well so mount that if you think it should be mounted |
| 06:17.23 | AzMoo | OK, the BusID is wrong, but what's wrong with it? lspci tells me: 0000:02:01.0 |
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| 06:17.54 | mwilson | AzMoo: <sigh> What does the *log file* say the BusID is? |
| 06:18.19 | mwilson | AzMoo: What *matters* is what *X* thinks the BusID is, hence why I pointed you to a specific line in the log. |
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| 06:18.32 | lehel | jm_: how do i mount that? |
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| 06:19.05 | mwilson | Anyway, two people have tried to tell you what's wrong, you've ignored them both. |
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| 06:19.28 | Zoomie23 | Can anyone help me with realplayer on debian sarge? Not getting any sound |
| 06:19.40 | AzMoo | mwilson: it says, PCI:2:1:0. That's what I've got in there :\ |
| 06:19.54 | mwilson | No, that is NOT what you've got in there. |
| 06:21.07 | jm_ | lehel: man mount? |
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| 06:21.14 | pacman | I've never used dual head, and I haven't looked at any of the files in question, and even *I* understand the problem. |
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| 06:21.18 | AzMoo | mwilson: ah, apologies. I've updated since the paste. It's got PCI:2:1:0 in there. |
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| 06:21.52 | mwilson | AzMoo: <sigh> So you're asking people to help you based on invalid information. |
| 06:21.55 | foo | Whacky. apt-cache search mplayer doesn't actually show the mplayer package.. hmm, any ideas? |
| 06:22.02 | mwilson | AzMoo: Have fun, then. |
| 06:22.53 | AzMoo | mwilson: It was only after the help that I updated. I didn't realize. I really do appreciate your help. I just don't see what's wrong with it. |
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| 06:26.14 | ron_ | grr this problem won't go away |
| 06:26.53 | xbmodder | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=388801 < the script ADNS-python is needed 1.1++. (Its the ~x86 version) please try it for me! |
| 06:27.23 | hramrach | foo: there is no mplayer in debian |
| 06:27.27 | hramrach | !mplayer |
| 06:27.28 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
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| 06:27.56 | sparr | I have a library compiled as a .lib for Visual Studio, without the source is there any way I can link against that library using gcc? |
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| 06:29.27 | hramrach | sparr: not likely. Windows uses different object format. |
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| 06:30.49 | sparr | hramrach: im using gcc to cross compile for windows |
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| 06:31.31 | hramrach | what format is the .lib? the cross-ld may be able to understand it |
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| 06:32.47 | AzMoo | mwilson: I worked it out. It didn't like the Screen and the BusID in there. Took out the screen numbers and it was fine. Sorry I was such a hassle. |
| 06:33.27 | hramrach | I thought you wanted to link it with Linux ELFs which would be probably very difficult at least. |
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| 06:39.31 | g8se | Hi. I'm trying to use cdbs to make a deb. What is the correct way of massaging the file ownership and permissions? |
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| 06:42.14 | SunDevil | he |
| 06:42.40 | sagewicked | whoami |
| 06:42.44 | SunDevil | why are almost all my packages "kept back" when i do an apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:43.12 | psychonate | SunDevil, may want to try 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 06:43.21 | psychonate | that may help a little bit |
| 06:43.35 | SunDevil | indeed, what is the difference |
| 06:43.44 | SunDevil | between dist-upgrade and upgrade |
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| 06:44.03 | pacman | apt-get upgrade will not install any new packages to satisfy the dependencies of the newer versions of your existing packages. |
| 06:44.05 | deadcat | SunDevil: man apt-get |
| 06:44.25 | psychonate | what they said |
| 06:44.26 | psychonate | heh |
| 06:44.31 | SunDevil | aight cheers |
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| 06:45.21 | g8se | any clues? the man page for dh_fixperms suggests that it isn't really customisable by dropping a file into the debian directory. |
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| 06:45.43 | g8se | I'd rather not add plain old chown commands in the rules file if there is a better way |
| 06:46.01 | Niriven | what about chmod |
| 06:46.04 | liable | whats a good webstats generator? awstats is giving me the shits. |
| 06:46.16 | SunDevil | webalizer |
| 06:46.21 | Niriven | liable: Stop eating it then |
| 06:46.32 | mutante | usually people say "awstats" would even be better than webalizer,though |
| 06:46.41 | SunDevil | yes |
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| 06:46.45 | SunDevil | i have awstats |
| 06:46.51 | SunDevil | but if it dont work for him |
| 06:47.01 | mutante | true,whatever works |
| 06:47.29 | SunDevil | hrmm, dist-upgrade wants to remove temporarily e2fsprogs, but failed |
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| 06:47.32 | pureone | i use wwwstat its old but it does what i wanted it to do |
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| 06:49.30 | nkuttler | SunDevil: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
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| 06:51.21 | g8se | Niriven: probably just wack in some chown and chmod commands. |
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| 06:53.22 | SunDevil | nkuttler: thanks, but it seems to be a problem with sysvinit. |
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| 06:53.51 | liable | SunDevil: check the bts, are you trying to upgrade from woody? |
| 06:54.24 | Atula | hi. I'm trying to fix my refresh rate. I've looked in X11/x-F_something... but there isn't a refresh rate number to change.. only resolution. thanks |
| 06:54.33 | SunDevil | bts? |
| 06:54.53 | nkuttler | SunDevil: at least try what the bot told you. /msg dpkg bts |
| 06:54.56 | mwilson | Fix it? It's broken? |
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| 06:55.23 | SunDevil | ah, bug tracking system |
| 06:55.55 | Atula | refresh rate, does that relate to the horizontal/vertical sync of my monitor? |
| 06:56.42 | NiHM | vertical I think.. |
| 06:57.38 | SunDevil | liable, err, how can i tell if im running woody or sarge? |
| 06:58.23 | pureone | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:58.30 | SunDevil | testing/unstable |
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| 07:01.07 | pacman | used to be able to change your refresh rate by editing the Modelines in XF86Config... they've disappeared though. |
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| 07:03.32 | Grende| | does someone here experience problems with cedega too ? thanks |
| 07:03.41 | pacman | xvidtune still knows how to print Modelines but there's no place to put them :) |
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| 07:04.43 | caphuso | pacman: the X server config file is a good place for them |
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| 07:05.12 | wann | as k |
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| 07:05.45 | pacman | oh! you can still put them in there. You just don't *have* to anymore. |
| 07:05.59 | caphuso | you do if you want something non-standard |
| 07:06.00 | wann | wacau |
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| 07:06.50 | caphuso | a 1616x1212 resolution, for example |
| 07:07.15 | hramrach | pacman: I usually set the refresh rate by telling X that my monitor cannot do less than 85Hz :) |
| 07:07.46 | pacman | I wonder if that guy's still here... |
| 07:07.56 | Atula | well. my monitor is doing a 70hz refresh rate... I just want the poor 60hz |
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| 07:08.12 | usn_work | good (CEST) morning |
| 07:08.13 | Atula | the reason I know it's 70hz is because the screen "float" like liquid... |
| 07:08.18 | pacman | he is! |
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| 07:08.34 | Atula | anyone has any idea? |
| 07:08.55 | hramrach | Then tell it your monitor cannot do more than 60 |
| 07:09.06 | caphuso | you want to _lower_ your refresh rate to 60Hz? |
| 07:09.06 | NiHM | Atula, in the driver section, perhaps RefreshRate, rt manpage for X, or XF86Config |
| 07:09.09 | pacman | maybe you can just change the VertRefresh range to something like 55-65 |
| 07:09.23 | hramrach | VertRefresh |
| 07:09.26 | Atula | vertical? |
| 07:09.31 | Atula | um... sure? |
| 07:09.41 | Atula | It hink I have 70 for max now |
| 07:09.58 | pacman | uh, yeah, the electron beam goes row by row, so the veritcal direction is the one that is covered once per refresh. |
| 07:10.14 | asuffield | all that changed about modelines is that the server has a bunch of common ones compiled into it |
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| 07:10.21 | Atula | no no... my refresh rate is 50-160 |
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| 07:10.33 | asuffield | it looks at the resolutions and refresh rates you specified and picks out all the ones that match |
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| 07:10.41 | hramrach | so change it to something like 50-62 |
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| 07:10.46 | pacman | so, you want it to _not_ go over 60? change it from 50-160 to 50-60 |
| 07:11.00 | Atula | oh. okay... lets see if that works |
| 07:11.04 | pacman | the 50-160 says "my monitor works fine for anything in this range". |
| 07:11.33 | zog-vsl | hi, how can I truncate or shorten a file in place in linux? |
| 07:11.58 | usn_work | hramrach, maybe LCD/TFT |
| 07:11.59 | llama32 | hramrach: im doing it now... dont see a problem |
| 07:12.02 | zog-vsl | like turn a 2G file into a 1G file without copying it via dd (etc) |
| 07:12.12 | Atula | how do you restart x again? |
| 07:12.26 | Atula | right click and restart on flux menu isn't working eh |
| 07:12.35 | llama32 | CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE often/usually works |
| 07:12.36 | pacman | zog-vsl, from a shell you can use dd if=/dev/null of=filename bs=1048576 seek=1024 |
| 07:12.47 | brosio | exist divx6 codec for linux ? |
| 07:12.54 | valdyn | pacman: now that isnt truncating |
| 07:12.59 | caphuso | llama32: that kills the X server. you don't do that without a need |
| 07:13.00 | hramrach | yes, with LCDs it is ok, but they usually do not come with ranges like 50-160. |
| 07:13.17 | pacman | valdyn, dd truncates by default, you have to say conv=notrunc if you don't want it to. |
| 07:13.30 | zog-vsl | pacman: will that still give me a 2G file though? or will it chop off the last gig (i.e. reduce the size on disk) |
| 07:13.30 | caphuso | Atula: try exit or quit, not restart |
| 07:13.35 | bbrazil | zog-vsl: truncate(3) |
| 07:13.45 | pacman | dd truncates at the last write position by default! |
| 07:13.51 | zog-vsl | aha |
| 07:14.02 | pacman | no one trusts me :) |
| 07:14.07 | zog-vsl | pacman: thanks, I will go test on my test loopback fs |
| 07:14.21 | zog-vsl | pacman: (gonna play with ex2resize in place) |
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| 07:15.00 | CcSsNET | ok im trying to setup a printer "hp laserjet 4v" with lpr any sugestions? |
| 07:15.06 | pacman | if you like to see truncate explicitly specified, you could use perl -e 'truncate $ARGV[0], 1024*1024*1024 or die $!' filename |
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| 07:15.19 | brosio | in phpmyadmin how could i create a relation between two table ? |
| 07:15.23 | brosio | ops |
| 07:15.25 | brosio | exist divx6 codec for linux ? |
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| 07:15.59 | pacman | but using dd ... seek= makes you look older, all the cool kids do it |
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| 07:16.24 | Guerin | brosio: divx.com |
| 07:16.34 | Guerin | divx is a waste of fucking time anyway |
| 07:16.34 | CcSsNET | y not use xvid brosio |
| 07:16.40 | Guerin | yse x264 |
| 07:16.56 | brosio | divx6 rox :D |
| 07:17.21 | Guerin | divx6 isn't free, so it's shite |
| 07:17.23 | CcSsNET | os no printer buffs here |
| 07:17.27 | CcSsNET | so* |
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| 07:17.52 | pacman | I was going to say go see linuxprinting.org |
| 07:17.54 | hramrach | CcSsNET: mosp people probably use cups |
| 07:18.00 | hramrach | most |
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| 07:18.09 | CcSsNET | well i simply want to print thats all! lol |
| 07:18.12 | pacman | but I can't get through to it right now |
| 07:18.16 | CcSsNET | any help is good |
| 07:18.38 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 07:18.38 | dpkg | from memory, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 07:18.39 | pacman | laser printers usually take postscript |
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| 07:18.48 | Vyrus001 | why is it that in aterm when i highlight text to copy it, i can only paste it in aterm and not in other applications (other apps in x work fine and i can patse from them into aterm but not vice versa)? |
| 07:19.05 | pacman | is that a parallel, USB, or jetdirect? |
| 07:19.20 | hramrach | parallel I guess |
| 07:19.36 | mek | hello, I have an intel xeon box with 8gb ram and i'm running kernel 2.6.8-1-686-smp. The system is able to recognize only 4gb of the actual ram, what is needed to increase this? |
| 07:19.43 | pacman | why is linuxprinting.org down anyway, that sucks |
| 07:19.55 | valdyn | mek: a kernel supporting that much ram |
| 07:20.00 | pacman | mek, you need a kernel with the highmem option |
| 07:20.04 | llama32 | anyone know of technical information on RISCOS (API, inner workings, UI design, etc.), or any other OS or GUI known for productivity? |
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| 07:20.30 | mek | pacman , valdyn : do i have to compile a custom kernel? or is there another way? |
| 07:20.50 | valdyn | mek: you need to compile a custom kernel, debian does not provide one |
| 07:21.00 | pacman | I don't know if any Debian kernels support highmem>4G |
| 07:21.12 | pacman | there are actually 3 levels of memory support: 1G, 4G, and 64G... |
| 07:21.23 | mek | pacman , valdyn : or is there a way of using my current kernel's .config for the custom kernel? for minimum change |
| 07:21.28 | CcSsNET | hmmm cups says iom not authorized >.< |
| 07:21.30 | hramrach | mek: compiling custom kernel is always a good idea, you can easily add more patches :) |
| 07:21.30 | CcSsNET | and im root |
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| 07:21.33 | valdyn | mek: sure |
| 07:21.35 | CcSsNET | and i tried as user also |
| 07:21.56 | pacman | mek, copy the .config into the new kernel source directory and run "make oldconfig". Then after that's done, go in with make menuconfig and change the highmem option |
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| 07:23.03 | pacman | I was looking at memory config options yesterday and noticed that the old 1G/3G, 2G/2G, 3G/1G split option doesn't seem to be around anymore |
| 07:23.19 | kadigibox | What program is it on command line for DVD burning? I keep forgetting |
| 07:23.23 | mek | pacman: I don't have the source under /usr/src as it is a deb package installed. any other way of accessing a .config? using proc maybe? |
| 07:23.25 | resiak | cdrecord |
| 07:23.43 | pacman | mek, I don't compile kernels as .debs, don't ask me... |
| 07:23.45 | resiak | mek: /boot/config-* |
| 07:23.57 | kadigibox | resiak, cerecord wont burn on DVDs |
| 07:24.09 | resiak | kadigibox: I was under the impression that it could. |
| 07:24.13 | kadigibox | *cdrecord |
| 07:24.15 | pacman | growisofs will burn DVDs though. apt-get install cd+rw-tools |
| 07:24.24 | k-man | i bought this ibm netfinity 5500 from an auction. i can't seem to get it to boot off the cd though |
| 07:24.28 | kadigibox | thanks pacman |
| 07:24.31 | k-man | any idea how i might do that? |
| 07:24.36 | kadigibox | I just forgot what the command was |
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| 07:24.43 | mek | resiak , pacman valdyn ,hramrach : problem solved thanks :) |
| 07:24.53 | pacman | cdrecord is crippleware, the author wants to SELL you the ability to burn DVDs |
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| 07:25.13 | resiak | How exactly does one print a blow? |
| 07:25.43 | CcSsNET | hehe |
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| 07:26.30 | StarKruzr | Hi guys. I am trying to install 3.1 on my Gateway M460E laptop. The installer seems to insist on installing an i810 driver, but this machine has an i915GM chipset. I have tried installing with the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels and neither seems to work. Any ideas as to what I can do to get the kernel to configure and install correctly? |
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| 07:27.40 | resiak | StarKruzr: You can't use a Sarge installer --- the kernel does not support your hardware. You can try to roll your own Sarge installer with a custom kernel, or install Testing, or install another distro like Ubuntu (which is of course unsupported here). |
| 07:28.08 | StarKruzr | That was precisely the answer I needed, resiak. Thank you. |
| 07:28.36 | Mortalman | Is there a windows program that will change \n\r to \n, like dos2unix, but reverse and for windows. lol ?? |
| 07:29.08 | StarKruzr | Er. Changed case there, but you get the idea. |
| 07:29.10 | resiak | StarKruzr: /msg dpkg sarge hardware support for more info on what Sarge doesn't cope with. |
| 07:29.12 | alekzandr | i need to create an iptables rule to block access from chinese ip's, can someone help me create that? |
| 07:29.19 | StarKruzr | OK. |
| 07:29.22 | tarzeau | Mortalman: ##windows |
| 07:29.36 | Gnea | alekzandr: why? |
| 07:29.51 | Mortalman | tarzeau: heh, ok. |
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| 07:30.06 | alekzandr | Gnea: my server is getting flooded with relay requests from chinese ip's |
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| 07:30.21 | StarKruzr | Good. Now I can tell my advisor to stuff his "oh, 'just' use a 2.4 kernel first" idea. |
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| 07:30.37 | llama32 | Mortalman: if you dont mind the UI, whatever the RTF editor for windows, it seems to be able to open Unix files and save as DOS format |
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| 07:31.24 | hramrach | where do I get the source for 2.6 debian kernels? |
| 07:31.24 | Mortalman | llama32: Yes, but I need to read DOS format and save in unix format. |
| 07:31.31 | llama32 | ohhh, sorry |
| 07:31.47 | StarKruzr | do you have synaptic installed, hramrach? |
| 07:31.54 | tarzeau | hramrach: apt-cache search kernel source 2.6 |
| 07:31.57 | StarKruzr | the graphical friend-end for apt? |
| 07:32.02 | StarKruzr | ha. front-end |
| 07:32.24 | hramrach | it only shows the 2.6.8 source, not the 2.6.12 not 2.6.13 |
| 07:32.48 | Gnea | alekzandr: random ones? |
| 07:32.58 | jm_ | so that would simply mean 2.6.12 or .13 is not in the Debian version you're using, it's that simple |
| 07:33.00 | resiak | hramrach: If you're running Sarge, that's to be expected. If you're running testing or later, apt-cache search linux source 2.6 |
| 07:33.04 | fireba11 | can anyone here tell me if CVS requires to be run as root ? |
| 07:33.12 | bbrazil | fireba11: no |
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| 07:33.21 | jm_ | fireba11: there are many ways of using cvs |
| 07:33.25 | bibe | hramrach : try packages.debian.org/linux-image |
| 07:33.25 | hramrach | ah, it's linux-source now |
| 07:33.37 | pacman | running cvs as root would be an unusual thing to do |
| 07:33.41 | alekzandr | Gnea: no, mainly a few, mostly from APNIC 221.0.0.0 - 221.255.255.255 |
| 07:33.41 | fireba11 | and you know of any way to make a part of the CVS readonly ? |
| 07:33.53 | StarKruzr | Are there ISOs available of a recent snapshot of testing? |
| 07:33.57 | fireba11 | pacman: so the guy who did set it up here sucks :-) |
| 07:34.09 | StarKruzr | (I ask because of my aforementioned chipset issue) |
| 07:35.37 | pacman | are you using cvs via pserver, or over ssh, or locally? |
| 07:35.47 | jm_ | it's trivial to make it read-only if you use it locally |
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| 07:35.50 | fireba11 | pacman: via pserver |
| 07:36.08 | fireba11 | pacman: and it is set up to run as root right now |
| 07:36.09 | pacman | I was hoping he'd say local :) |
| 07:36.19 | jm_ | yeah, me too |
| 07:36.20 | Gnea | alekzandr: are you familiar with bash functions? |
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| 07:36.45 | fireba11 | pacman: jm_ :-) |
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| 07:37.08 | jm_ | but it's surely doable, that's how all the anonymous checkouts work on various CVS servers out there |
| 07:37.14 | alekzandr | Gnea: not really |
| 07:37.50 | fireba11 | jm_ okay .. not i'm at least sure it can be done and i'm not trying the impossible here :-) |
| 07:38.09 | jm_ | fireba11: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/186 |
| 07:38.12 | jm_ | first hit on google |
| 07:38.59 | jm_ | d-a.org has some very useful articles/tutorials/howtos/whatever |
| 07:39.16 | smartbhai | has anyone tried booting from a usb drive |
| 07:39.46 | Gnea | alekzandr: !usb-boot |
| 07:39.49 | Gnea | oops |
| 07:39.51 | Gnea | !usb-boot |
| 07:40.08 | fireba11 | jm_ thanks, but not exactly what i need .. all users have to auth ther, but still should not be allowed to write a particular folder :-) |
| 07:40.09 | Gnea | !usb-install |
| 07:40.09 | dpkg | usb-install is probably Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumdrive or jumpdrive, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 07:40.25 | jm_ | fireba11: it gives you enough clues to do the same for your users |
| 07:41.12 | jm_ | that factoid is not needed, it's covered by Installation manual |
| 07:41.47 | fireba11 | jm_ i think the only problem right now is that CVS is runnign as root and i can't jsut mark the files read-only because of that .. will use break time in 2 hours to change CVS user to something else (good idea anyway) and try then |
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| 07:42.20 | jm_ | fireba11: yeah, you could use src group |
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| 07:43.16 | termitor | hello, quelqu'un connais dell utility ? et si on peut l'enlever ... (sur un poweredge sc430) ? |
| 07:43.23 | streuner | !it |
| 07:43.23 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 07:43.30 | jm_ | !fr |
| 07:43.30 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 07:43.49 | streuner | jm_: quel sounds so italian :-) |
| 07:43.52 | vicCode | keygen of nero 6 for install in ubuntu??? |
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| 07:43.59 | fireba11 | jm_ precisely |
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| 07:44.58 | jm_ | streuner: quelqu'un sounds like qualcuno (somebody) |
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| 07:45.45 | StarKruzr | wow, caphuso is still here |
| 07:45.47 | jm_ | heh just noticed the keygen moron |
| 07:45.51 | StarKruzr | I remember that guy. |
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| 07:45.59 | valdyn | -+ |
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| 07:46.25 | llama32 | i noticed that the fortune archives seem [very lightly/simply] encrypted, is there a way to make a list of all the offensive ones in a plain ASCII file? |
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| 07:46.45 | pacman | won't that spoil the fun? |
| 07:46.49 | caphuso | llama32: rot13 |
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| 07:47.14 | llama32 | caphuso: and that means? |
| 07:47.38 | Peterken | Hello all, i deleted by accident my /etc/apache2 folder. wiht apt-get remove apache2-* en then apt-get install apache2 my files aren't returning. Can someone help me? |
| 07:47.49 | pacman | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rot13 |
| 07:47.50 | caphuso | llama32: that's the name of the encryption, and incidentally the name of one script able to "decrypt" it |
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| 07:48.04 | StarKruzr | It's trivial encryption. |
| 07:48.08 | bibe | Peterken : try with apt-get remove --purge, then apt-get install |
| 07:48.14 | Garda | peterken: mabey dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
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| 07:48.16 | StarKruzr | Just obfuscation, really. |
| 07:48.27 | Garda | listen to bibe |
| 07:48.28 | llama32 | thanks caphuso |
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| 07:48.41 | Peterken | ok tnx bibe & Garda |
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| 07:48.48 | rapsys | Hy |
| 07:48.49 | caphuso | StarKruzr: it was state of the art when caesar invaded the germans! |
| 07:49.10 | llama32 | caphuso: where do i get it? |
| 07:49.19 | rapsys | I want to know, where should I submit a patch to one day it would be applied it debian package ???? |
| 07:49.21 | caphuso | llama32: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:49.24 | StarKruzr | :D |
| 07:49.30 | caphuso | rapsys: /msg dpkg bts |
| 07:49.46 | rapsys | I already reported a bug report with mypatch and it is still non take in care... |
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| 07:50.27 | caphuso | rapsys: and now you want to know how the secret ways of the cabal? |
| 07:50.36 | caphuso | s/\?/ work?/ |
| 07:50.43 | rapsys | I just want to see my patch applied to the package... |
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| 07:50.54 | caphuso | rapsys: so, file a bug. there's nothing else you can do |
| 07:51.04 | rapsys | it add support of parsing path in start-stop-daemon |
| 07:51.08 | hramrach | rapsys: biuld your own package :) |
| 07:51.18 | rapsys | even when used with chroot support |
| 07:51.18 | Garda | does anyone know of a good site for accessing alsa in c++ |
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| 07:51.32 | Garda | i mean documentation |
| 07:51.40 | eXistenZ | Garda, try #alsa |
| 07:51.45 | Peterken | dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work, and apt-get remove --purge apache2 doesn't work either :( |
| 07:51.46 | pacman | rapsys, patches can linger a looong time in Debian BTS before being applied, even if they're obviously correct |
| 07:51.50 | rapsys | caphuso: hramrach: the problem is that the patched file is owned by dpkg package... |
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| 07:51.59 | caphuso | rapsys: why is that a problem? |
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| 07:52.22 | rapsys | caphuso: nobody only answer my bug repport since 80days |
| 07:52.29 | rapsys | (at least) |
| 07:52.33 | caphuso | rapsys: well, then the maintainer thinkgs your patch isn't useful |
| 07:52.36 | hramrach | rapsys: unpack the package, patch it, and repack it |
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| 07:52.54 | hramrach | Or get the source, patch it, and build a new package |
| 07:53.04 | rapsys | caphuso: someone could have only answer that will never been applied |
| 07:53.14 | rapsys | hramrach: I already many test on it |
| 07:53.25 | rapsys | I use it on few server without problem |
| 07:53.34 | pacman | even if a patch is applied, you won't see it in stable until the next release, 5 or 10 years from now, unless it's a security hole. |
| 07:53.42 | hramrach | so put the package on hold so that your change does not get reverted :) |
| 07:54.20 | rapsys | hramrach: how do I do that ? |
| 07:54.27 | Peterken | is there a way to totally remove a package with apt, like it never has been installed |
| 07:54.34 | StarKruzr | 5 or 10 years from now? |
| 07:54.41 | Greek-Boy | where do I add a command to be run at boot time? |
| 07:54.42 | Greek-Boy | :) |
| 07:54.46 | StarKruzr | You ARE joking, yes? |
| 07:54.48 | xelam | Peterken: the --purge option |
| 07:54.49 | hramrach | I do it with aptitude. It's easy in there |
| 07:55.01 | jm_ | !tell hramrach -about hold |
| 07:55.08 | jm_ | ups sorry |
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| 07:55.15 | jm_ | !tell rapsys -about hold |
| 07:55.27 | Peterken | xelam, then he let's the files in his plays |
| 07:55.31 | Peterken | *place |
| 07:55.41 | xelam | who does? |
| 07:55.47 | rapsys | Greek-Boy: /etc/rc.local |
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| 07:56.14 | xelam | the --purge option should delete all the config files etc |
| 07:56.15 | streuner | heh |
| 07:56.21 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 07:56.21 | dpkg | rc.local is, like, the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 07:56.44 | streuner | Greek-Boy: ^^^ |
| 07:56.53 | Peterken | ha apache2-common had to be reinstalled; tnx |
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| 07:57.10 | rapsys | streuner: for simple command like echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq rc.local is perfect |
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| 07:57.34 | bbrazil | rapsys: use sysctl.conf for that |
| 07:57.56 | rapsys | for start/stop support of daemon a sysv script in /etc/init.d and linked in the correct /etc/rcX.d is better |
| 07:58.01 | rapsys | bbrazil: how ? |
| 07:58.13 | bbrazil | rapsys: add a line dev/rtc/max-user-freq=1024 |
| 07:58.51 | jm_ | how about man sysctl and so on? |
| 07:59.10 | pacman | Debian's stupid refusal to run rc.local is yet another pointless difference from other OSes |
| 07:59.33 | pacman | ln -s rc.boot/local /etc/rc.local # problem solved |
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| 08:01.04 | jm_ | other OS-es? I never saw rc.local on Solaris, HP-UX or AIX ... |
| 08:01.35 | pacman | yeah, sysv sucks. |
| 08:01.43 | hramrach | nor Windows :) |
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| 08:02.17 | pacman | anyway, update-rc.d is unnecessary complexity, echo 'your command here' >> /etc/rc.local is perfect simplicity. |
| 08:02.20 | furbsd | how can i load this device: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) i'm using kernel 2.6.13 |
| 08:03.13 | hramrach | there is still the problem that people cannot agree if it should be rc.d or init.d |
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| 08:03.35 | hramrach | furbsd: did you install the alsa scripts? |
| 08:03.53 | furbsd | no |
| 08:04.03 | rapsys | pacman: mandriva's system is realy easyer |
| 08:04.11 | hramrach | they should do it for you :) |
| 08:04.21 | xoz_ | rapsys: have you tried debian's file-rc? |
| 08:04.23 | rapsys | just add a comment in the init.d script and chkconfig --add package |
| 08:04.31 | rapsys | and all it installed in right place |
| 08:04.38 | rapsys | xoz_: I use both system |
| 08:04.44 | pacman | chkconfig is also needlessly complicated. |
| 08:05.00 | pacman | sysvinit was probably the worst thing in the history of Linux, although glibc2 is in the running |
| 08:05.01 | rapsys | and mandriva has a lot of realy easyer functions |
| 08:05.19 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 08:05.23 | dpkg | SuSE owns! |
| 08:05.36 | pacman | are there any "init war"s? :) |
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| 08:06.08 | GootySapphire | hello? |
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| 08:06.23 | GootySapphire | anyone there? |
| 08:06.29 | rapsys | I just compare sume functions |
| 08:06.39 | GootySapphire | hello rap |
| 08:06.39 | Shadur | No, we're all just figments of your imagination. |
| 08:06.44 | GootySapphire | sweeeet |
| 08:06.48 | rapsys | like naming startup/stop service rc-invoke.rc binary |
| 08:06.49 | GootySapphire | fake thoughts.....awesome |
| 08:06.55 | rapsys | mandriva named is service |
| 08:07.01 | rapsys | and it's easyer to type |
| 08:07.02 | bibe | rapsys : I tried Mandriva 2006 in the weekend, the default install got worse than Mandrake 10.1 on my laptop. I dumped Mandrake for Debian last Christmas and I'm very, very happy |
| 08:07.09 | Shadur | GootySapphire: Try hard, one of these days you might actually have a real one. |
| 08:07.17 | rapsys | bibe: I run cooker |
| 08:07.25 | GootySapphire | Oh I will try my hardest ;) |
| 08:07.25 | rapsys | with few patched package |
| 08:07.34 | pacman | rapsys, you actually type commands? I have a tab key. |
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| 08:07.50 | rapsys | pacman: I have too |
| 08:08.06 | rapsys | and replaced by the non bugged mandriva completion system |
| 08:08.07 | hramrach | heh, I do not like RPMs |
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| 08:10.03 | bibe | rapsys : after two weeks with Debian, I realized Debian's way to manage init scripts (and, in general, the whole system configuration) is a lot more straightforward than Mandrake/Mandriva's, it seems that Mandriva is trying to shift to a more proper "direction", without losing backwards compatibility with Mandrake (and even Redhat) configuration scripts. That, IMHO, results in a messy situation most of the times |
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| 08:10.32 | bucky | i converted invoke-rc.d to rpm style 'service' by putting this in .bashrc alias service='invoke-rc.d' |
| 08:10.35 | caphuso | what the heck is rc-invoke.rc? |
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| 08:11.32 | bucky | caphuso, that's a typo |
| 08:11.33 | rapsys | bibe: the only things missing in mandriva is start-stop-daemon for server with bad config and chroot (but default debian does not work properly with chroot, need a patch) |
| 08:11.38 | pacman | beats me, all those ridiculous names, cat >> /etc/rc.local is still all I need |
| 08:11.45 | rapsys | bucky: alias doesn't work with sudo... |
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| 08:11.57 | bucky | really |
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| 08:12.06 | rapsys | try it |
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| 08:12.18 | rapsys | alias l="ls --color=auto" |
| 08:12.21 | rapsys | sudo l /root |
| 08:12.26 | Assid | hrmm.. which package do you normally remove to get rid of X and its dependencies (kde.. etc) ? |
| 08:12.31 | rapsys | l : no such file or directory... |
| 08:14.18 | caphuso | rapsys: congratulations. you've found out the difference between aliases and executable files |
| 08:14.58 | kevix | Assid, x-window-system-core ? |
| 08:15.32 | Assid | i guess.. box aint working ever since i updated it .. it hangs at the login prompt |
| 08:15.35 | Assid | and disappears |
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| 08:15.47 | caphuso | kevix: no |
| 08:16.19 | rapsys | caphuso: but it's realy anoying... |
| 08:16.22 | nkuttler | Assid: /msg dpkg remove kde|gnome|x |
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| 08:16.50 | xoz | rapsys: just use sudo bash; then ls |
| 08:16.54 | kevix | rapsys, are you aware of the alias in .bashrc for ls |
| 08:17.31 | rapsys | kevix: i have them, but I realy don't want to let me run a sudo bash |
| 08:17.55 | rapsys | with sudo command all is logged |
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| 08:18.27 | caphuso | rapsys: hint: ~/.bash_history |
| 08:18.33 | zog-vsl | pacman: thanks that worked, using ext2resize and dd/seek I can shrunk a loopback fs in place without copying |
| 08:18.50 | rapsys | and I don't want someone to completely compremise my system |
| 08:18.53 | pacman | zog-vsl, I've done that very thing... |
| 08:18.54 | smartbhai | hi sorry but someone posted a link here .. regarding booting from a usb stickk..can the person post it again please.. |
| 08:19.00 | rapsys | ~/.bash_history <= could be cleared |
| 08:19.07 | Assid | thanks nkuttler |
| 08:19.09 | caphuso | rapsys: /var/log/auth.log could be cleared |
| 08:19.15 | xoz | so is the /var/log/ |
| 08:19.16 | caphuso | rapsys: your point being? |
| 08:19.28 | rapsys | caphuso: but I have a copy sended through udp |
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| 08:21.30 | Mortalman | Is there a way to specify username and password on the command-line to login with ssh ?? |
| 08:21.49 | bucky | rapsys, i guess i should stop using aliases and use sudo |
| 08:21.51 | pacman | password on the command line is ungood |
| 08:21.52 | jm_ | yes, no |
| 08:21.53 | caphuso | Mortalman: urgh, no. use keys or maybe expect |
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| 08:22.15 | hugle | how I can *best* archive text files ? |
| 08:22.17 | Mortalman | caphuso: man expect ? |
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| 08:22.28 | caphuso | hugle: "archive"? |
| 08:22.57 | caphuso | Mortalman: good starting point |
| 08:23.03 | hugle | caphuso, tar, bzip ... |
| 08:23.18 | nkuttler | hugle: define best |
| 08:23.24 | Mortalman | hugle: tar.bz2, yes |
| 08:23.33 | hugle | nkuttler, best compression |
| 08:23.37 | caphuso | hugle: same way you do it with any other file |
| 08:24.08 | Mortalman | wait, he didn't say compress, damn. |
| 08:24.10 | caphuso | this is unix, we don't make a difference between text and non-text files |
| 08:24.16 | Mortalman | hugle: just use tar. |
| 08:24.29 | Mortalman | hehe |
| 08:24.35 | hugle | :) |
| 08:24.45 | hugle | thanks, I just have lots of traffic log files |
| 08:24.52 | hugle | which need to be compressed |
| 08:25.00 | hugle | they use ~200mb per day |
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| 08:25.59 | nvz | I think I am banned from OpenFT or something :P gift doesnt connect at all anymore :P I get "connection refused" |
| 08:26.00 | Greek-Boy | alias l="ls --color=auto" |
| 08:26.02 | t | hello |
| 08:26.03 | Greek-Boy | didn't work for me |
| 08:26.03 | Greek-Boy | :( |
| 08:26.09 | Greek-Boy | no colors :( |
| 08:26.32 | caphuso | Greek-Boy: how did you use it? |
| 08:26.36 | Mortalman | hugle: Don't know if it's possible, but I'd try to see if I could pipe the output of whatever is making the logs to bzip2. |
| 08:26.47 | nvz | I tried deleting my nodes file but it didnt help *shrug* |
| 08:26.57 | rapsys | Mortalman: use: ssh user@machine.domain.tld |
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| 08:27.00 | Greek-Boy | i just typed it at the command prompot |
| 08:27.07 | Greek-Boy | and then i typed alias to verify that its there |
| 08:27.10 | Mortalman | rapsys: and for password? |
| 08:27.25 | rapsys | Mortalman: if you want copy files between machine use scp |
| 08:27.36 | rapsys | and public key auth type |
| 08:27.53 | hugle | Mortalman, logs are made from tcpdump ... > /logfile and killed after 24hours of running and then starting other proceess and other log file |
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| 08:28.05 | caphuso | Greek-Boy: and what did you do after typing "alias l=..." and "alias"? |
| 08:28.05 | xoz | Greek-Boy: perhaps you need dircolors? |
| 08:28.13 | hugle | Mortalman, now i have ~40 og files, which I want to bzip |
| 08:28.20 | rapsys | (but anybody that would have access to your account would be able to loggin on other machine without password) |
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| 08:28.51 | pacman | hugle, you know tcpdump can automatically rotate its output file for you, if you use it in -w mode |
| 08:29.03 | Greek-Boy | i did nothing after that |
| 08:29.06 | Greek-Boy | yes i want dir colours |
| 08:29.07 | Greek-Boy | :) |
| 08:29.12 | rapsys | Mortalman: http://atoms.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/Elements/CompMeth/Comp_Methods_ssh2.html |
| 08:29.30 | hugle | pacman, didn't know that.. but isn't -w doing binary log ? |
| 08:29.31 | Mortalman | rapsys: No one has access to my machine, but I'm not sure how I can specify the password. |
| 08:29.32 | Beik | Greek-Boy: after that type: l |
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| 08:29.40 | rapsys | Mortalman: with ssh user@machine.domain.tld, password is asked on command line |
| 08:30.00 | caphuso | Greek-Boy: so, you decide that the alias is not working without actually trying it? |
| 08:30.00 | pacman | hugle, why do you want to save incomplete information when you could have the whole packets? |
| 08:30.13 | Mortalman | rapsys: I understand that it is asked. I don't want to type it in. heh |
| 08:30.15 | bass- | hello. i cant find docs about cyrus snmp monitoring. already ask on #cyrus, but nothing... please give me a tips |
| 08:30.28 | rapsys | Mortalman: use the link I gave you |
| 08:30.41 | Mortalman | rapsys: doing now. |
| 08:30.45 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 08:30.45 | rapsys | Mortalman: generate the key on your machine |
| 08:30.45 | Greek-Boy | sorry |
| 08:30.49 | Greek-Boy | i'm a newbie |
| 08:30.53 | Greek-Boy | now i see what i did wrong |
| 08:30.53 | Greek-Boy | :P |
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| 08:31.10 | rapsys | and put the authorized_keys on remote machine |
| 08:31.26 | hugle | pacman, You're right.. well, I think I should read on this |
| 08:31.30 | Greek-Boy | how do i remove aliases? |
| 08:31.40 | rapsys | Mortalman (it could be either authorized_keys or authorized_keys2, look in your ssh config) |
| 08:31.42 | xoz | or use ssh-copy-id remote@machine |
| 08:32.03 | caphuso | Greek-Boy: unalias |
| 08:32.31 | xoz | and it will be copied to the authorized_keys of the remote machine |
| 08:32.36 | Greek-Boy | cool, thanks |
| 08:32.57 | xoz | Greek-Boy: man bash and enable /etc/bash_completion |
| 08:33.01 | Beik | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.09 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 08:33.31 | Greek-Boy | how do I make the user@localdomain in the command prompt appear in colour? |
| 08:33.43 | xoz | Greek-Boy: or just type help in bash prompt |
| 08:34.07 | nkuttler | Greek-Boy: google bash prompt howto |
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| 08:34.27 | nvz | hmm maybe my libopenft-gift is so old it cant talk to the majority of the servers out there is the problem |
| 08:34.27 | kevix | Greek-Boy, also the alias is not perment unless you add it to say .bashrc or some similar file. if you log out, its gone. |
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| 08:35.23 | Greek-Boy | i c, |
| 08:35.24 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
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| 08:36.27 | bucky | Greek-Boy, uncomment the color lines in ~/.bash_profile |
| 08:36.29 | xoz | Greek-Boy: copy /etc/skel/.bashrc .. and edit it to your liking. it has good examples and explainations. |
| 08:36.43 | xoz | *explanations* |
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| 08:38.05 | Greek-Boy | ~/.bash_profile is for all users? |
| 08:38.08 | apt | ...but /.bash_profile is already something else... |
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| 08:38.18 | Beik | Greek-Boy: bo |
| 08:38.19 | k-man | whats the order you have to boot off instalation floppies? is it root then boot or boot then root? |
| 08:38.21 | Greek-Boy | ~ means my homdir, right? |
| 08:38.28 | Beik | Greek-Boy: no. |
| 08:38.29 | airox | Greek-Boy: exactly. |
| 08:38.35 | airox | O_o |
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| 08:38.48 | Greek-Boy | is there a .bashrc file for all users? |
| 08:38.58 | airox | Greek-Boy: /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
| 08:39.09 | Greek-Boy | k |
| 08:39.15 | Greek-Boy | i'm such a newbie |
| 08:39.22 | scummbar | people someone knows that video explaining the tcp ip model in 3d representations? |
| 08:39.22 | Greek-Boy | and i've got to deploy an MTA |
| 08:39.29 | Greek-Boy | i'm thinking of going with qmail |
| 08:39.31 | airox | Greek-Boy: Everyone has to begin somewhere :) |
| 08:39.49 | airox | And everyone was/is a newbie. |
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| 08:40.21 | xoz | that's why there is a #debian help channel |
| 08:40.27 | Greek-Boy | :) |
| 08:40.58 | airox | Greek-Boy: qmail seems nice. it all depends on what you need. |
| 08:41.22 | airox | and what you will need in tha future. |
| 08:42.02 | Skywind_ | When I build bioapi, it's depend to qt, but report these error when configure: |
| 08:42.02 | Skywind_ | Skywind_ checking for Qt... yes: |
| 08:42.02 | Skywind_ | Skywind_ QT_CXXFLAGS=-I/usr/include/qt3 |
| 08:42.02 | Skywind_ | Skywind_ QT_DIR= |
| 08:42.02 | Skywind_ | Skywind_ QT_LIBS=-L/usr/lib -lqt-mt -lSM -lICE -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXext -lXmu -lXt -lXi |
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| 08:42.21 | Skywind_ | Skywind_ configure: error: Failed to find matching components of a complete |
| 08:42.23 | Skywind_ | Skywind_ Qt installation. Try using more options, |
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| 08:42.25 | Skywind_ | Skywind_ see ./configure --help. |
| 08:42.27 | Skywind_ | Skywind_ anyone know how to resolve it ? |
| 08:42.29 | Skywind_ | Skywind_ thx |
| 08:42.30 | Skywind_ | Skywind_ I am using Debian :) |
| 08:42.32 | Skywind_ | When I build bioapi, it's depend to qt, but report these error when configure: |
| 08:42.44 | Skywind_ | checking for Qt... yes: |
| 08:42.44 | Skywind_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.44 | Skywind_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.44 | Skywind_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:42.50 | airox | hehe |
| 08:42.51 | furbsd | lol |
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| 08:42.57 | Greek-Boy | well i need a secure solution with antivirus and webmail |
| 08:43.02 | Skywind_ | anyone know how to resolve it ? |
| 08:43.07 | Skywind_ | checking for Qt... yes: |
| 08:43.07 | Skywind_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.08 | Skywind_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.10 | Skywind_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.12 | airox | Skywind_: STOP IT. |
| 08:43.15 | nkuttler | Skywind_: STOP SPAMMING |
| 08:43.18 | Skywind_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.20 | Skywind_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.22 | Skywind_ | checking correct functioning of Qt installation... failure |
| 08:43.24 | Skywind_ | configure: error: Failed to find matching components of a complete |
| 08:43.26 | Skywind_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.26 | Greek-Boy | i edit my .bashrc and i uncommented the aliases just as it said but now the colors are not there |
| 08:43.27 | airox | You are risking a ban. |
| 08:43.28 | Skywind_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.30 | Skywind_ | sorry |
| 08:43.33 | Skywind_ | I quit |
| 08:43.49 | Greek-Boy | # You may uncomment the following lines if you want `ls' to be colorized: |
| 08:43.49 | Greek-Boy | export LS_OPTIONS='--color=auto' |
| 08:43.49 | Greek-Boy | eval "`dircolors`" |
| 08:43.49 | Greek-Boy | alias ls='ls $LS_OPTIONS' |
| 08:43.49 | Greek-Boy | alias ll='ls $LS_OPTIONS -l' |
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| 08:43.58 | t | what's the Xorg situation on 3.1 (stable) ? |
| 08:43.59 | xoz | Greek-Boy: logout and login to have the new changes |
| 08:44.05 | Greek-Boy | i did logout |
| 08:44.07 | airox | Greek-Boy: webmail isn't related to MTA. |
| 08:44.10 | Greek-Boy | still nothing |
| 08:44.26 | airox | Greek-Boy: Take a look at clamsmtp. |
| 08:44.37 | Greek-Boy | hmmm ok |
| 08:44.37 | airox | Greek-Boy: I guess it can be integrated with a lot of MTA's. |
| 08:44.38 | furbsd | what if i screw up kernel installation |
| 08:44.55 | Greek-Boy | do I have to leave exim install for local mail or will the other MTA that install take care of that |
| 08:45.03 | airox | Greek-Boy: There is also anomy. Nice sanitizer for email. |
| 08:45.06 | Greek-Boy | local mail for prgrams, etc |
| 08:45.17 | airox | Greek-Boy: You can replace exim with qmail afaik. |
| 08:45.25 | caphuso | t: there isn't one |
| 08:45.29 | furbsd | just use postfix, it rules |
| 08:45.33 | airox | Greek-Boy: I run postfix instead of exim on my machine for example. |
| 08:45.38 | Zugschlus | airox: why do you recommend broken and non-free software? |
| 08:45.48 | airox | Zugschlus: Did I recommend ? |
| 08:45.51 | airox | ;) |
| 08:45.52 | furbsd | qmail is nonfree? |
| 08:45.57 | Zugschlus | Greek-Boy: what's the problem with exim? |
| 08:46.04 | Greek-Boy | no problem with it |
| 08:46.16 | Maliuta | sendmail :) |
| 08:46.17 | Zugschlus | Greek-Boy: why then change it? |
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| 08:46.18 | Greek-Boy | i'm just trying to figure out if the system should run with two MTA's |
| 08:46.18 | airox | Just choose what fits your situation. |
| 08:46.26 | airox | Greek-Boy: nope. |
| 08:46.27 | nkuttler | furbsd: yes |
| 08:46.29 | caphuso | Greek-Boy: you can't have two MTAs installed |
| 08:46.33 | Zugschlus | Greek-Boy: in the vast majority of cases, it shouldn't |
| 08:46.41 | furbsd | your system should run at least 4 MTAs |
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| 08:46.44 | Greek-Boy | qmail seems more appealing |
| 08:46.49 | furbsd | the more the better |
| 08:46.54 | caphuso | Greek-Boy: only if you don't have a closer look |
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| 08:46.59 | Greek-Boy | lol @ furbsd |
| 08:47.10 | Maliuta | furbsd: great from a security standpoint too :) |
| 08:47.20 | Greek-Boy | and i will be running bind for dns |
| 08:47.30 | airox | Greek-Boy: It's your pick :) |
| 08:47.50 | furbsd | very very good choice, Greek-Boy |
| 08:47.57 | Zugschlus | Greek-Boy: qmail sucks big time |
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| 08:48.11 | t | I was told by a Debian advocate that 3.1, recently released, was reasonably up-to-date, so there was no reason to use CentOS/RH now. But if Debian is still not using Xorg in its stable release, calling it 'reasonably up-to-date' seems misleading. |
| 08:48.11 | Zugschlus | and it is non-free, and not part of Debian |
| 08:48.15 | airox | How can people tell their opinions without knowing HIS situation! |
| 08:48.25 | nkuttler | Greek-Boy: /msg dpkg qmail |
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| 08:48.36 | Zugschlus | t: what's the problem with Xfree86 4.3? |
| 08:48.37 | hendra | hallo |
| 08:48.42 | furbsd | i thought qmail was free, they charge it now? |
| 08:48.43 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 08:48.53 | IsaacHaze | airoxHow can people tell their opinions without knowing HIS situation!: no problemo... |
| 08:48.58 | Greek-Boy | for some reason my putty ssh client doesn't work too well on debian :( |
| 08:49.08 | Greek-Boy | can't delete and insert proparly in vi |
| 08:49.10 | hendra | hi |
| 08:49.20 | hendra | hi |
| 08:49.26 | nkuttler | furbsd: you seem to be confused about the meaning of freedom, /msg dpkg free |
| 08:49.26 | xoz | t: you know what's the big difference between xorg and xfree to say that stable is not up-to-date? |
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| 08:49.55 | furbsd | just use xorg, it's the way to go |
| 08:49.56 | hendra | hi |
| 08:50.30 | airox | IsaacHaze: still, he could have a big reason to use qmail. |
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| 08:50.50 | nkuttler | airox: he doesn't even get alias="..." to work... |
| 08:50.57 | furbsd | what's the big reason using qmail, postfix can do anything better |
| 08:51.16 | t | furbsd: are you directing this advice to me? I don't think it's practical to use Xorg on Debian, if the system does not support it. I believe I'll have to compile all of the X-using packages myself. (It will be more Gentoo than Debian then) |
| 08:51.38 | Dewi | t: or use testing |
| 08:51.44 | takuan_ | if I try to build seperate modules with my 2.6.12-1-686 debian kernel the version number isn't correct |
| 08:51.46 | IsaacHaze | airox: quite possibly so, but voicing ones opinion can be done regardless (original remark slightly pedantic/sarcastic) |
| 08:51.58 | hendra | hi |
| 08:51.58 | takuan_ | is there a solution to that? |
| 08:51.58 | furbsd | t: there's another way of doing it. install xorg, and rename /usr/xorg with /usr/X11R6, it always works |
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| 08:52.27 | airox | IsaacHaze: I only find it a bit well ... don't know the word for it ... pushing ? |
| 08:52.35 | t | furbsd: binary compatibility and everything? |
| 08:52.39 | xoz | or maybe a symbolic link? |
| 08:52.39 | furbsd | is it good idea to use a kernel that has all options on |
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| 08:52.49 | furbsd | t: yah try it |
| 08:52.51 | airox | but well ... i like postfix :) |
| 08:52.53 | airox | ;) |
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| 08:53.01 | IsaacHaze | airox: but that would pe the problem of people not properly stating their opinion as such? |
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| 08:53.37 | hendra | hi |
| 08:53.41 | azeem | furbsd: are you sure this does not break anything? |
| 08:53.54 | IsaacHaze | i could not care less either way, whatever floats his boat, and if he asks for advice/recommendation(s), he is going to get a lot of opinions |
| 08:53.56 | t | furbsd: are you using Xorg with all of the GUI apps (Firefox, etc.) compiled for X11R6 ? and no mysterious crashes? |
| 08:54.00 | furbsd | postfix's virtual alias, domains and box just rules |
| 08:54.30 | airox | yeah |
| 08:54.35 | furbsd | t: no, i compile them with X11R6, and then i upgrade to xorg, so i rename xorg with X11R6 |
| 08:54.36 | airox | and postfix is simple in configuration imho |
| 08:54.48 | Dewi | t: normally one would just run testing and let apt handle it |
| 08:54.49 | azeem | furbsd: what is X11R6 anyway? |
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| 08:55.03 | furbsd | the X11R6 thing from XFree86 |
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| 08:55.45 | Dewi | t: although testing does occasionally break |
| 08:56.02 | t | Dewi: my religion forbids me to use 'testing' when there are 'stable' out there (not only in Debian universe) |
| 08:56.08 | pawwa | heya |
| 08:56.26 | Dewi | t: in the world of debian, 6 months old is "not old" if you are talking about stable |
| 08:56.31 | Dewi | t: why do you want xorg anyway? |
| 08:56.35 | furbsd | symbolic link your xorg to X11R6, it will work |
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| 08:56.41 | furbsd | xorg got better drm |
| 08:56.50 | furbsd | and some enhancement |
| 08:57.05 | xoz | stable vs bleeding edge |
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| 08:57.19 | pawwa | ppl: My Debian freezes and my X randomly crashes :| |
| 08:57.25 | t | Dewi: I need Xorg because of obscure issues involving graphics chip + suspend + hybernate. |
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| 08:57.33 | Dewi | pawwa: checked your RAM lately? |
| 08:57.46 | obstfliege | hi! Can anybody tell me why my Debian Server does not really shutdown when i want it to? I guess the Motherboard does not shutdown |
| 08:57.48 | IsaacHaze | Dewi: i was just abuot to say that, that or power supply |
| 08:57.48 | furbsd | t: so what is your problem now |
| 08:57.52 | pawwa | Dewi, yes with memtest86 |
| 08:57.54 | tombs | hi all |
| 08:58.06 | fireba11 | obstfliege: more details .. kernel version, how old os the hardware ? |
| 08:58.12 | fireba11 | s/os/is |
| 08:58.25 | Beik | obstfliege: what do you mean by 'not really shut down'? |
| 08:58.41 | Dewi | pawwa: something else to try to rule out hardware might be, run knoppix or ubuntu live off a boot CD, and stress test it, see if it falls over. If so, you've got a hardware problem. |
| 08:58.55 | Cope | My passwordless (key-based) scp is failing due to the user's shell being /bin/true, despite having /bin/true in /etc/shells - what am I missing? |
| 08:59.20 | k-man | anyone know how to configure ibm serveraid raid arrays? |
| 08:59.21 | pawwa | Dewi, thanks |
| 08:59.25 | t | furbsd: my problem is deciding between CentOS and Debian after a long hiatus away from Linux (if you must know) |
| 08:59.49 | obstfliege | i type shutdown -h ... you can see he is killing all processes and so on... then blank screen and he is still on |
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| 09:00.05 | obstfliege | like in wondows "You can now shutdown your pc" |
| 09:00.09 | Skywind | airox, nkuttler, sorry for my dummy's spam msg, excuse me. |
| 09:00.13 | Dewi | Cope: "failing"? |
| 09:00.21 | pawwa | what does mean broken package ? |
| 09:00.33 | obstfliege | is there any option like: Motherboard shutdown or something? |
| 09:00.39 | Dewi | pawwa: kind of self-explanatory |
| 09:00.54 | xoz | obstfliege: running sid? |
| 09:01.05 | t | obstfliege: iirc, you need to compile acpi (or something) into the kernel |
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| 09:01.22 | obstfliege | t: thx i will try |
| 09:01.36 | Dewi | obstfliege: install the acpi package? |
| 09:01.47 | furbsd | waht's a easy way to config and compile install custom kernel |
| 09:01.59 | Assid | anyone know what this means ? APIC error on CPU0: 06(06) |
| 09:02.00 | Cope | Dewi: the transfer does not work; server accepts public key but then the connection is lost. |
| 09:02.02 | Assid | thats what i get in dmesg |
| 09:02.03 | obstfliege | Dewi: I don know i will try THX |
| 09:02.12 | Dewi | furbsd: I have vague memories of something called "kernel-package"? |
| 09:02.12 | petemc | furbsd: the easy way is to install a debian prepackages one, otherwise you need to read up how to do it |
| 09:02.23 | xoz | !kp |
| 09:02.23 | dpkg | well, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 09:02.37 | Ru4 | hi all |
| 09:02.45 | kevix | t, i was having a simialr prob. I just moved to an amd mb/via chipset and I can not shutdown totally. I tried to modprobe 'acpi' but it didnt change. |
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| 09:02.52 | t | furbsd: are you a BSD refugee/evacuee (can't remember which terms is more politically correct) ? |
| 09:03.13 | Beik | obstfliege: if you're using an older computer apm might help you. |
| 09:03.14 | Cope | It could just be that scp requires an interactive shell; but I thought it was possible to do otherwise. |
| 09:03.31 | Ru4 | is there a way to get the filelist from an installed package in a file like it is listed in KPackage by selecting it? |
| 09:03.48 | xoz | dpkg -L <package> |
| 09:03.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package> |
| 09:04.05 | xoz | heh |
| 09:04.14 | pawwa | Dewi, I got this error message constantly, periodicaly on my `tty`: Disabling IRQ #7! Nobody cared! ??? |
| 09:04.20 | kevix | Ru4, 'dpkg --get-selections' and 'dpkg -l' |
| 09:05.05 | xoz | or just view /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.list |
| 09:05.48 | kevix | xoz, does dpkg -L just list /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list ? |
| 09:06.03 | xoz | kevix: man dpkg |
| 09:06.23 | Ru4 | thank you xoz and all others that is what I wanted |
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| 09:07.16 | xoz | kevix: you might be more interested with apt-file -l |
| 09:07.24 | darkskiez | dev/random has stopped working for me?! |
| 09:07.25 | pawwa | ppl I got this error message constantly, periodicaly on my `tty`: Disabling IRQ #7! Nobody cared! ??? When ide0 has irq 7 this happen. When parport0 has this it does`nt |
| 09:07.47 | xoz | kevix: err apt-file list <pattern> |
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| 09:08.17 | kevix | xoz, I am familiar with apt-file, I have it installed. |
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| 09:08.58 | Beik | pawwa: this was already discussed at debian-user: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg02564.html |
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| 09:09.29 | liable | is there a better way to get awstats to update then changing access log to group www-data? |
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| 09:09.49 | jesus__ | exit |
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| 09:10.01 | kevix | xoz, did Ru4 want to search all debian package file lists or just his installed packages? |
| 09:10.06 | pawwa | Beik, ok going to see what it says... |
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| 09:10.55 | Ru4 | kevix. I wanted to get a list of all files belonging to one installed package |
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| 09:11.21 | Guerin | kevix: i have a rabbit here who understood that. What's your excuse? |
| 09:11.25 | xoz | kevix: < Ru4> is there a way to get the filelist from an installed package... |
| 09:11.55 | kevix | Ru4, as xoz mentioned, apt-file will search all package files list (including packages that are NOT installed) |
| 09:12.24 | pawwa | Ru4, dpkg -L <package_name>' |
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| 09:12.49 | kevix | xoz, then why did you mention apt-file? |
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| 09:13.19 | xoz | kevix: just preemption... my brain is in preemptive multitasking :) |
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| 09:13.48 | Ru4 | thank you, my problem is solved already |
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| 09:14.27 | Beik | pawwa: after taking a closer look at the debian-user-thread it seems that they have found no solution for the irq problem :( |
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| 09:14.44 | kevix | Guerin, xoz mentioned apt-file in regards to Ru4's conversation. I thought I missed Ru4 say he needed a list of files from MORE than what was on his system. |
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| 09:15.02 | xoz | pawwa: maybe use 2.6.11 kernel |
| 09:15.06 | lancelot24 | i hope this time you can read me...:-(( |
| 09:15.14 | divine | hi''''''''''''''' |
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| 09:15.19 | pawwa | Beik, xoz, thanks a bunch! |
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| 09:15.30 | lancelot24 | ok...good morning everybody! |
| 09:15.32 | Guerin | divine: #broken-keyboard is --------> thataway |
| 09:15.52 | lancelot24 | i'm in trouble with my battery |
| 09:15.54 | darkskiez | my /dev/random has run out and wont refil |
| 09:16.00 | Guerin | lancelot24: does it have a gun? |
| 09:16.00 | divine | hi!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:16.03 | pawwa | I`ll try upgrading to 2.6.11 and see if thats the reason why my system freezes |
| 09:16.04 | airox | darkskiez: heheh |
| 09:16.10 | Guerin | darkskiez: you need more random juice |
| 09:16.18 | airox | divine: Well .. Hello :) |
| 09:16.20 | Beik | darkskiez: this sounds scary. |
| 09:16.23 | Guerin | darkskiez: i'll sell you some for $100/litre |
| 09:16.34 | darkskiez | it does mean that apache wont restart |
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| 09:16.40 | darkskiez | demsg |
| 09:16.40 | divine | hello!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 09:16.40 | lancelot24 | even if any module (acpi or apm) is loaded in the kernel and even if acpid is running on the machine, no battery status applet works :-(( |
| 09:16.45 | lancelot24 | no Guerin :-) |
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| 09:16.53 | airox | divine: You made your point. Welcome. |
| 09:17.08 | divine | friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:17.09 | lancelot24 | i REALLY don't know how to operate |
| 09:17.21 | divine | ctc?? |
| 09:17.27 | liable | divine: stfu |
| 09:17.46 | liable | !tell divine about ep |
| 09:17.55 | divine | what? |
| 09:17.56 | Guerin | darkskiez: i think you have the option of using /dev/urandom, which won't run out of entropy |
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| 09:18.28 | Guerin | divine: otherwise, just do stuff on your machine - the random juice will regenerate eventually |
| 09:18.32 | darkskiez | Guerin: but apache is reading random |
| 09:18.57 | Guerin | darkskiez: that is apparent. What's your point? |
| 09:19.02 | divine | EP |
| 09:19.04 | divine | >?? |
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| 09:19.30 | darkskiez | Surely random should output at least a little bit |
| 09:19.35 | lancelot24 | is there anyone could help me? |
| 09:19.49 | Guerin | why should it obey your uninformed expectations? |
| 09:19.59 | divine | CTC PLEASE! |
| 09:20.08 | Guerin | divine: please to fuck off and die |
| 09:20.21 | darkskiez | Guerin: I expect there to be at least a byte of random entropy in 30 minutes |
| 09:20.22 | liable | lancelot24: some battries are fucktards, check google, theres a few models that just wont work. |
| 09:20.25 | RichiH | !ep |
| 09:20.25 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:20.30 | bibe | lancelot24 : what hardware are you running on? |
| 09:20.35 | RichiH | :) |
| 09:20.48 | divine | HOW dare U |
| 09:20.50 | bibe | lancelot24 : and, are you sure to be running the latest BIOS? |
| 09:20.54 | RichiH | divine: and what is ctc? |
| 09:21.05 | liable | divine: please go away!!!!!! |
| 09:21.08 | divine | CHAT! |
| 09:21.12 | Gnea | divine: get the fuck out |
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| 09:21.19 | fireba11 | !ctc |
| 09:21.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, ctc is Cut The Crap, python based ad filtering software |
| 09:21.22 | divine | OKEY |
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| 09:21.27 | lancelot24 | bibe, i'm running on a recent Acer Travelmate 2303 hardware |
| 09:21.41 | lancelot24 | and i think i'm on the latest BIOS |
| 09:21.49 | NiHM | darkskiez, depends on computer, but usually it is better than that, like Guerin suggest, use urandom |
| 09:21.49 | Gnea | divine: please recall the /part command |
| 09:21.53 | The_Ball | why does not a user show up in "w" when i do a "su - user"? |
| 09:22.01 | bibe | lancelot24 : and did you google for 'acer 2300 battery status'? |
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| 09:22.12 | darkskiez | NiHM: i would but apache has decided to use /dev/random and wont start coz it wont produce any data |
| 09:22.14 | lancelot24 | no bibe, i'm doing it now |
| 09:22.18 | divine | HI!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:22.21 | JoshX | hello... |
| 09:22.24 | Gnea | !troll divine |
| 09:22.26 | NiHM | darkskiez, conf file? |
| 09:22.34 | airox | divine: Good morning. |
| 09:22.36 | Mortalman | rapsys: I followed the link you provided and now I need to specify the password twice. Once for the key and the regualr one too. |
| 09:22.59 | JoshX | what is wrong when i have a process 5312 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/php /data/scripts/sitescan.php and i cant kill it using kill -9 5312 as root? |
| 09:23.05 | darkskiez | NiHM: i'll have a look |
| 09:23.06 | Revie | once upon a time, there were ops. and they were caring and ejected them lamers. |
| 09:23.09 | Guerin | darkskiez: control your computer, don't let it control you |
| 09:23.10 | divine | ALSO TO u |
| 09:23.19 | Guerin | Revie: i don't believe you |
| 09:23.27 | darkskiez | Guerin: yes, i'll reboot it |
| 09:23.31 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:23.42 | Gnea | !ops divine is off-topic, rude and disrespectful |
| 09:23.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: divine is off-topic, rude and disrespectful |
| 09:23.48 | Guerin | !tell Revie about fable |
| 09:24.17 | RichiH | !tell divine -about ask |
| 09:24.28 | NiHM | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.1/en/mod/mod_ssl.html |
| 09:24.40 | RichiH | divine: you just ask your question in the channel |
| 09:24.45 | divine | U |
| 09:24.47 | NiHM | darkskiez, SSLRandomSeed Directive |
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| 09:25.23 | JoshX | why won't it kill my rogue process |
| 09:25.25 | darkskiez | NiHM: ah, found it cheers, but I suspect apache isnt at fault here. |
| 09:25.26 | incorrect | what is the perfered method to do an upgrade from woody to sarge? |
| 09:25.40 | xoz | woody->sarge |
| 09:25.42 | Guerin | incorrect: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 09:25.44 | xoz | !woody->sarge |
| 09:25.54 | incorrect | ty |
| 09:25.56 | darkskiez | I'm happy with /dev/random blocking on no entropy, but |
| 09:26.05 | Lutin_Triste | ;/ |
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| 09:26.18 | Guerin | darkskiez: short answer: kernel and hardware. |
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| 09:26.46 | bob2 | divine: please stop it |
| 09:26.48 | bob2 | thanks |
| 09:26.48 | Guerin | darkskiez: some hardware generates entropy, some doesn't. Some kernels have bugs which fuck with entropy, some don't. |
| 09:27.27 | divine | CHAT???????????? |
| 09:27.36 | Dewi | divine: not here |
| 09:27.56 | xoz | darkskiez: what about using mersenne rnd generator? boost or gsl libs? |
| 09:27.57 | divine | OKEY |
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| 09:28.14 | Gnea | ahaha |
| 09:28.19 | Gnea | !beer bob2 |
| 09:28.33 | emac | i installed debian onto my computer a few weeks ago, since then I have added two new SATA drives (first drive is SCSI). I configured debian to automount the new disks etc. |
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| 09:28.51 | NiHM | unless your apache is running some super important crypto sites, urandom |
| 09:28.56 | Gnea | emac: cool |
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| 09:29.07 | krix | hey |
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| 09:29.28 | emac | now im trying to get one of the SATA drives out, I have removed it from fstab and disabled the port through BIOS. However, without this disk in I get a kernel panic |
| 09:29.36 | kevix | darkskiez, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/31 and search for 'random' |
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| 09:29.51 | darkskiez | kevix: merci beaucoup |
| 09:29.58 | krix | I got a problem, install debian sarge, installed courier-authmysql and -imap* |
| 09:30.07 | krix | now i got errors in my mail log: http://pastebin.com/388862 <---- like this |
| 09:30.18 | krix | i got a working postfix+mysql env. on that server. |
| 09:30.18 | emac | is there any other files I need to edit? |
| 09:30.23 | lancelot24 | bibe i've found nothing! |
| 09:30.25 | lancelot24 | :-( |
| 09:30.31 | krix | btw whats wrong with courier ?? |
| 09:30.42 | krix | in my authdaemonrc i got authmysql in the list as first. |
| 09:30.47 | xoz | emac: maybe you should check the dev name. |
| 09:30.51 | krix | and authmysqlrc filled out perfectly. |
| 09:30.57 | Gnea | emac: if it was not the last drive then the kernel thinks the drives have changed - look to see what the system now thinks they are set to and edit fstab accordingly |
| 09:31.02 | Guerin | krix: #courier |
| 09:31.07 | krix | ah. :) |
| 09:31.10 | lancelot24 | bibe_ : i've found nothing! |
| 09:31.32 | emac | ok |
| 09:31.39 | bibe_ | lancelot24 : I found this page http://rik.no-ip.com/~rik/?q=node/10 |
| 09:31.42 | Guerin | krix: find out what tempfail means |
| 09:32.00 | krix | a good question. Guerin i googled for that but nothing succsess |
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| 09:32.05 | Guerin | krix: i guess it means it can't write to /tmp or whatever |
| 09:32.18 | lancelot24 | bibe_ i'll check for it, just wait... |
| 09:32.19 | fireba11 | Guerin: sounds likey to me .. |
| 09:32.37 | krix | Guerin, nono, TEMPFAIL is a internal error descriptor in courier. Not means any /tmp directory thing. |
| 09:32.46 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 09:32.52 | Guerin | you know more than me, then |
| 09:32.58 | bibe_ | lancelot24 : it seems that your laptop has one of those non-acpi-standard BIOSes Acer still ships with its hardware |
| 09:33.01 | krix | Guerin, :) |
| 09:33.19 | krix | Guerin, btw #courier is dead. |
| 09:34.35 | bibe_ | lancelot24 : you'd have to google for 'hacking DSDT table', it's not so difficult to do if you have enough patience |
| 09:35.00 | bob2 | hah |
| 09:35.05 | lancelot24 | yes bibe_ i've patience...:-) but i'm gonna do something i don't know....:-( |
| 09:35.07 | fireba11 | courier sucks in my oppinion |
| 09:35.26 | bob2 | isn't there a SF project that has unfucked DSDT's for manufacturers who refuse to fix them? |
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| 09:36.00 | bob2 | ah, http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/ |
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| 09:36.03 | fireba11 | Zugschlus recommends using dovecot .. maybe you should try that :-) |
| 09:36.34 | bob2 | dovecot is quite luverly |
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| 09:37.06 | fireba11 | he got a blog with his expieriences with it in german ... |
| 09:37.16 | petemc | dovecot is very flexible |
| 09:37.24 | worst-case | how can i show everything that's being logged on my ssh-console |
| 09:37.41 | worst-case | it should be /dev/something |
| 09:37.50 | fireba11 | worst-case: now why the hell would you want to do that ? |
| 09:38.07 | fireba11 | worst-case: won't a tail -f /var/log/syslog do ? |
| 09:38.28 | bob2 | worst-case: you'd need to poke the pty |
| 09:38.33 | bob2 | but I don't know if that's actually possible |
| 09:38.41 | bob2 | ttysnoop may be of use, but in future use 'screen' |
| 09:39.31 | jm_ | the package is called snooptty - there are also kernel modules that let you clone FD-s and use those |
| 09:39.40 | worst-case | because i dont want to have a screen connected to my server all the time. and i'm too lazy to open the log-file on the samba-share all the time ^^ |
| 09:39.59 | jm_ | ahh no, I was thinking of snoopy, not the same thing |
| 09:40.42 | bibe_ | lancelot24 : I got the same problem with my asus m68ne when I bought it, but fortunately there was a dirty kernel hack that enabled battery status, I can post you the link |
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| 09:40.57 | bob2 | worst-case: why not have screen running? |
| 09:41.00 | bibe__ | lancelot24 : I got the same problem with my asus m68ne when I bought it, but fortunately there was a dirty kernel hack that enabled battery status, I can post you the link |
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| 09:41.18 | worst-case | not enough space |
| 09:41.21 | bibe___ | lancelot24 : I got the same problem with my asus m68ne when I bought it, but fortunately there was a dirty kernel hack that enabled battery status, I can post you the link |
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| 09:42.30 | llama32 | are there any simple diary programs? i just want something where i can use it quickly from the command line to add an entry and search/display entries |
| 09:42.38 | yang26 | I am using xine and i get good picture but a cut sound, where can i set the proper sound driver? |
| 09:42.42 | llama32 | apt doesnt seem to have much |
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| 09:43.35 | bob2 | llama32: I use emace and devtodo for that |
| 09:43.40 | bob2 | perhaps not quite what you're looking for |
| 09:43.43 | seeker | hi people... how can i find out with what config options a specific debian binary has been compiled? |
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| 09:43.47 | worst-case | ok i will use ttysnoop |
| 09:43.52 | worst-case | thanks alot |
| 09:43.57 | bibe | lancelot24 : did you receive my message(s) regarding a kernel hack? I had problems with my irc client |
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| 09:44.02 | rapta | ciao |
| 09:44.03 | bob2 | seeker: download the source package, read the .diff.gz |
| 09:44.11 | bibe | ciao rapta |
| 09:44.34 | rapta | sto provando il mio nuovo computer |
| 09:44.34 | kevix | llama32, tomboy (but its not console) |
| 09:44.44 | seeker | bob2: thanks a lot |
| 09:44.57 | bob2 | rapta: pretty clearly not a spanish channel... |
| 09:45.07 | bob2 | seeker: (the debian/rules file in the diff sets it all up) |
| 09:45.07 | rapta | i'm italien |
| 09:45.13 | bibe | rapta: please speak english |
| 09:45.25 | azeem | rapta: there's #debian-it I think |
| 09:45.27 | doleyb | !it |
| 09:45.27 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 09:45.27 | rapta | ok, where do you live |
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| 09:45.56 | azeem | rapta: we live all over the world, it does not matter much |
| 09:46.02 | Dewi | why would my gigabit NIC be slower than my 100mbps NIC? Anyone got advice on measuring / diagnosing ethernet speeds? |
| 09:46.30 | Guerin | Dewi: is it connected to a gige at the other end? |
| 09:46.34 | Dewi | Guerin: yeah |
| 09:46.40 | bob2 | Dewi: how big is your MTU? |
| 09:46.42 | Dewi | it's windows<->linux using SMB |
| 09:46.43 | rapta | azeen: fantastic thamks |
| 09:46.49 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:46.50 | bob2 | Dewi: what does mii-tool say it's linekd at? |
| 09:46.51 | rapta | bye bye |
| 09:46.52 | fireba11 | Dewi: biggest slowdown on those is usually HD speed .. ^^ |
| 09:46.52 | Dewi | bob2: probably default |
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| 09:47.13 | bob2 | Dewi: you'll need o check... |
| 09:47.21 | Dewi | fireba11: it's well under 10 megabyte / second |
| 09:47.35 | fireba11 | Dewi: ouch |
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| 09:48.20 | fireba11 | Dewi: than make sure if got a gbit connection .. |
| 09:48.27 | Dewi | I don't have it rigged up right now. I was just wondering what approach to take with these issues because I basically never get good net speeds |
| 09:48.48 | Dewi | on 100 I normally get... 3megabyte/s or so |
| 09:48.50 | airox | Anybody ever setup a snort2modsec.pl with snort and oinkmaster to update the rules and has run it for a while ? I wonder if it's really beneficial. |
| 09:49.10 | bob2 | smb is slow by default |
| 09:49.15 | Dewi | fireba11 / bob2 : I don't remember what linux said but windows said the link was gigabit |
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| 09:49.18 | bob2 | apparently you need to change some options to make it go fast |
| 09:49.22 | emac | how does the kernel assign the device names to the drives. I have no drive in SATA0 and the drive thats installed on SATA1 is being called sda5. So what would the drive at SATA2 be called? |
| 09:49.35 | sep | Dewi, check your ifconfig output, make sure you dont have collitions overruns errors etc. if you run gige on cables that cant handle it you could get all kinds of issues |
| 09:49.42 | fireba11 | Dewi: maybe SMB si the bottleneck there .. don't think it's written for such speeds :-) |
| 09:49.52 | bob2 | emac: I'd be surprised if the second channel was sda |
| 09:50.00 | Dewi | bob2: the annoying thing about SMB is that it can be going along at 8megabyte/s or something, then you'll put stress on one machine for a moment and it'll drop by a factor of 10, never to recover |
| 09:50.04 | bob2 | emac: but if it is, I'd suspect it would become sdb if you plugged in another one |
| 09:50.23 | emac | what do these different letters mean? |
| 09:50.26 | bob2 | I only get 2MBit/s over 2m of 802.11b, so I wouldn't complain about that ;) |
| 09:50.34 | bob2 | emac: they're just device names |
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| 09:50.50 | Dewi | emac: scsi drive A |
| 09:50.54 | Dewi | emac: scsi drive B, etc |
| 09:51.10 | emac | is there a command to probe SATA2 to test what the kernel has assigned to it so I can correctly enter it into fstab? |
| 09:51.22 | emac | aaaah |
| 09:51.30 | jm_ | you can use udev for that |
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| 09:51.34 | doleyb | emac: cat /proc/partitions ? |
| 09:51.40 | kevix | emac, have you read the output of dmesg ? |
| 09:52.22 | emac | kevix: no |
| 09:52.36 | emac | can I paste the results of cat /proc/partitions here? |
| 09:52.44 | doleyb | no |
| 09:52.44 | jm_ | no, /msg dpkg paste |
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| 09:54.30 | emac | can I paste the results of cat /proc/partitions here |
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| 09:54.50 | jm_ | heh I suppose that was for #flood |
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| 09:55.23 | kevix | emac, if you paste more than 2 lines, irc will kick you out. but if you paste in #flood , you can paste anything. |
| 09:55.34 | emac | ok, heres the results of cat /proc/partitions http://pastebin.com/388873 |
| 09:56.08 | emac | i thinks its sdb5 |
| 09:56.19 | doleyb | emac: before you put it in fstab, test with fdisk |
| 09:56.30 | doleyb | type fdisk /dev/sdb5, then hit p, then q |
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| 09:56.46 | emac | doleyb: What will that command do? |
| 09:56.46 | kevix | emac, /proc/partition will give consise info. dmesg will give more verbose output. |
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| 09:57.09 | adn | ok, no more X with last udev on T43 |
| 09:57.10 | darkskiez | fdisk /dev/sdb not sdb5 |
| 09:57.19 | adn | let me have a look at debbugs |
| 09:57.23 | hyperstream | anyone got spare diablo II cdkey(not lod) lost my original cdkey :/ |
| 09:57.28 | hyperstream | ooops |
| 09:57.30 | Guerin | hyperstream: yeah |
| 09:57.30 | airox | hyperstream: lol |
| 09:57.31 | hyperstream | wrong channel |
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| 09:57.38 | fireba11 | looool |
| 09:57.46 | hyperstream | -_- |
| 09:57.47 | Guerin | mine is FUCKO-FFYOU-STUPI-DTWAT |
| 09:57.54 | hyperstream | thats invalid |
| 09:57.55 | hyperstream | :) |
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| 09:58.01 | Guerin | works for me |
| 09:58.03 | fireba11 | u tried already ? |
| 09:58.12 | darkskiez | Guerin: more agressive than usual today! |
| 09:58.15 | hyperstream | nah cdkeys cant have abusive spellings |
| 09:58.22 | Guerin | darkskiez: no more than usual |
| 09:58.24 | daxxar | I doubt they allow O's in the keys. ;) |
| 09:58.28 | hyperstream | says so on blizzard.com |
| 09:58.37 | fireba11 | Guerin: interesting that it fits the 4 times 5 letters exactly :-) |
| 09:58.47 | Guerin | fireba11: i was guessing |
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| 09:59.38 | fireba11 | Guerin: i know .. but still looked nice :-) |
| 09:59.49 | silensius | does anyone explain me how can i crypt a folder ? |
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| 10:00.10 | Phated | tar it, gpg it. |
| 10:00.17 | silensius | ok |
| 10:00.17 | emac | okcan I paste the results of cat /proc/partitions here? |
| 10:00.21 | jm_ | silensius: you can't do that in Linux, there are no folders |
| 10:00.25 | Guerin | emac: NO |
| 10:00.25 | RichiH | emac: no |
| 10:00.28 | RichiH | !paste |
| 10:00.28 | Guerin | !paster emac |
| 10:00.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 10:00.29 | dpkg | emac: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 10:00.38 | RichiH | Guerin: heh |
| 10:00.44 | Guerin | hrm |
| 10:00.48 | silensius | jm_ :) |
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| 10:01.01 | Guerin | RichiH: you must be closer to dpkg than me |
| 10:01.06 | emac | yep, seems to be sdb. Thanks for the help guys |
| 10:01.20 | RichiH | Guerin: itÃ's right next to my heart |
| 10:01.29 | Guerin | !aww |
| 10:01.29 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 10:02.27 | emac | do you need to put in the partition numbers in fstab allways? |
| 10:03.06 | Guerin | emac: how else will fstab know where they are? |
| 10:03.14 | RichiH | emac: how else would you do it? |
| 10:03.22 | RichiH | Guerin: grr ;= |
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| 10:03.44 | emac | i know, but sdb has two partitions sdb1 and sdb5 |
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| 10:03.56 | emac | just thought that maybe you could just eneter sdb |
| 10:03.59 | kevix | emac, /dev/sda = whole disk /dev/sda1= partition 1 (only) |
| 10:04.05 | lancelot24 | here i am bibe, sorry but i was disconnected |
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| 10:05.50 | fusionfox | i got a problem my debian system doesnt make any sound, maybe my soiund card it is not detected or there is some problem |
| 10:05.53 | Guerin | RichiH: scary |
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| 10:07.07 | incorrect | aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade everything |
| 10:07.09 | kevix | fusionfox, there are 2 sound sources: the system beep and the kernel sound system (alsa) |
| 10:07.32 | fusionfox | well i only hear a bip, kevix |
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| 10:07.52 | liable | incorrect: ok |
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| 10:08.01 | kevix | fusionfox, have you tried to run 'alsaconf' as root? |
| 10:08.03 | Guerin | incorrect: life's like that. |
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| 10:08.10 | ebw | hi |
| 10:08.13 | fusionfox | kevix, nope ill try now |
| 10:08.26 | ebw | How can I change console keymappings? |
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| 10:09.18 | kevix | ebw, in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf or XFree86-4 ? |
| 10:10.00 | ebw | kevix: *confused* for console? (In X it is all in /etc/X11/xkb) |
| 10:10.04 | fusionfox | kevix, whats the command? i putted alsaconf =P and said command wasnt found |
| 10:11.05 | adn | hahaha, found it |
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| 10:11.16 | adn | with new udev, no more /dev/input ! |
| 10:11.25 | resiak | adn: ? |
| 10:11.32 | kevix | fusionfox, it is in 'alsa-utils'. install it, then try again. |
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| 10:11.48 | adn | resiak: I fail to start Xorg since my last apt-get upgrade |
| 10:12.03 | adn | that installed udev and removed (conflicts:) hotplug |
| 10:12.30 | liable | udev strikes again.. |
| 10:12.33 | adn | and the logs told me there was no /dev/input/mice |
| 10:13.00 | fusionfox | oh okey now i got sound how wierd (O_o) |
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| 10:13.09 | fritz[] | hello |
| 10:13.14 | fritz[] | how to create a mailing list? |
| 10:13.40 | petemc | fritz[]: install mailing list software is one part of it.. |
| 10:13.44 | Gnea | fritz[]: www.tldp.org |
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| 10:14.32 | kombi | how do you set the sender host in an MTA? |
| 10:14.53 | fritz[] | Gnea, thank you, i'll check it out |
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| 10:15.02 | adn | kombi: /etc/mailname ? |
| 10:15.04 | petemc | kombi: you mean what it HELOs with? |
| 10:15.12 | adn | or mydomain= |
| 10:15.15 | kombi | yip! |
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| 10:15.27 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a free database modeling tool for Linux? |
| 10:15.36 | fusionfox | where can i get more backgrounds?? |
| 10:15.46 | liable | for what? |
| 10:16.02 | bob2 | what is database modeling? |
| 10:16.09 | bob2 | drawing ERDs? |
| 10:16.12 | fantomas | yep |
| 10:16.16 | bob2 | dia |
| 10:16.37 | petemc | kombi: there are different ways to do it, exim can use $primary_hostname, or set up /etc/hosts correctly, or maybe what adn said |
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| 10:16.48 | kevix | ebw, read 'apt-cache show xbase-clients' |
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| 10:16.57 | t | Does anyone know the circumstances of Jensen's death? I'm asking because you don't hear about many sysadmins dying in the line of duty. A little unusual. |
| 10:17.07 | kombi | petemc: I'm on sendmail here.. |
| 10:17.12 | petemc | unlucky |
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| 10:17.40 | petemc | kombi: for future refence, mta is a vague term, mention which software you're using.. |
| 10:17.40 | fritz[] | petemc, hmm ... can u name one? (most common) ? (software for mailing list) |
| 10:17.45 | petemc | fritz[]: mailman |
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| 10:18.13 | kombi | petemc: true! but how would one specify sendmail-sendmail..? |
| 10:18.37 | petemc | kombi: i dont understand the question, but i know very little about sendmail anyway |
| 10:18.42 | ebw | kevix: We don't understand each other. I want to change some keys for console login, kernel -> init -> bash, no X. |
| 10:18.48 | antgel | is /media meant to be managed by udev? have two sarge machines here, one has /media/cdrom0, the other doesn't |
| 10:18.53 | fantomas | bob2: can dia generate sql for creating/modifying database? |
| 10:19.15 | bob2 | fantomas: yes |
| 10:19.17 | bob2 | antgel: no |
| 10:19.27 | bob2 | antgel: g-v-m is one thing that mounts filesystems there |
| 10:19.40 | fantomas | bob2: thank you |
| 10:19.48 | kombi | petemc: sorry, I meant that the binary is often called sendmail, even though the MTA is not sendmail. What would you recon instead of MTA though? |
| 10:19.49 | bob2 | fantomas: apt-cache show dia2sql |
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| 10:20.20 | petemc | kombi: there is often a symbolic link to /usr/lib/sendmail - the binary isnt renamed - i use exim4 |
| 10:20.28 | fusionfox | how do i know whats my kde version? |
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| 10:20.45 | fantomas | bob2: no such package, but there is tedia2sql which is probably the same |
| 10:21.08 | t | fusionfox : dpkg -l \*kde\* |
| 10:21.56 | TiMOiD | anyone played with gnu mailutils in debian sarge? |
| 10:22.28 | kevix | ebw, apt-cache show console-common ? |
| 10:22.59 | ebw | kevix: thanks, thats a point. |
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| 10:23.56 | antgel | bob2: ok. no g-v-m on either. /etc/fstab wants to mount /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 on both machines. we haven't edited that line. am i right in hypothesising that /media/cdrom0 should be created upon install? |
| 10:24.04 | t | I'm asking about this one http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050809 . How can a sysadmin die in a work-related accident? |
| 10:24.27 | bob2 | antgel: no idea |
| 10:24.37 | bob2 | g-v-m and friends will make it as neccessary |
| 10:24.53 | the_cloud_ | hi |
| 10:25.05 | bob2 | t: that would appear to be none of your business |
| 10:25.11 | bob2 | t: since it was not published in that note |
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| 10:26.00 | kombi | anyone of you know by any chance a good standard solution for an online bookshop? |
| 10:26.01 | antgel | bob2: hmm. doesn't make much sense. what about a sarge system with no g-v-m? that would appear not to mount a cd-rom out of the box |
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| 10:26.29 | kevix | antgel, IIRC 'discover' can create some symlinks |
| 10:26.44 | antgel | kevix: i'll investigate |
| 10:27.19 | bob2 | antgel: yes, that is correct |
| 10:27.35 | t | bob2: I don't see the logic in your reply, frankly. If X is not discussed in Y, then it would appear that X is none of your business - is this what you are saying? |
| 10:28.02 | adn | well, I had to backport... |
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| 10:28.09 | berzerka | does anyone know an irc channel where usage of gnu make is discussed? |
| 10:28.10 | kombi | what is a good chat client for windows? |
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| 10:28.18 | petemc | kombi: .... |
| 10:28.27 | antgel | kevix: hmm, discover not installed on either |
| 10:28.30 | kombi | petemc: I know.. |
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| 10:28.48 | antgel | kombi: what is a good place to create polls? :) |
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| 10:29.06 | kombi | antgel: point taken.. |
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| 10:29.36 | kombi | it's just that I've been on epic all my life.. |
| 10:30.04 | the_cloud_ | i just made an apt-get update and see that udev (0.070-3) now conflicts with hotplug, is that a mistake? |
| 10:30.13 | jm_ | berzerka: try "info make" |
| 10:30.14 | t | Did he die while he was working for Debian or in his other workplace? The note does not even mention that. |
| 10:30.20 | Guerin | kombi: ssh foo@bar screen irssi; |
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| 10:30.34 | SimonRaven | the_cloud_: who knows. seems the dep ends up being on musashi or something |
| 10:31.08 | the_cloud_ | SimonRaven, what do you mean? |
| 10:31.08 | kombi | Guerin: with irssi installed there? |
| 10:31.21 | Guerin | kombi: yeah, irssi installed on bar |
| 10:31.27 | bob2 | t: I'm saying that if his family and friends were going to release more details, they would have |
| 10:31.28 | fusionfox | is it posible for a KDE be verison 44_ |
| 10:31.31 | fusionfox | ? |
| 10:31.32 | kombi | wicked, let me try that.. |
| 10:31.37 | bob2 | t: if you want to know more, talk to them |
| 10:31.39 | berzerka | jm_: doesnt help me.. it doesnt work as i expect (after reading the info).. |
| 10:31.54 | SimonRaven | the_cloud_: as in, it seems to want to pull in another package instead... bug the maintainer |
| 10:31.55 | jm_ | berzerka: what you expect is one thing, how it works is completely another |
| 10:31.55 | t | bob2: whom? Debian? |
| 10:31.56 | liable | wow, its getting hard to keep up with the packages that udev seems to be screwing up.. |
| 10:32.02 | SimonRaven | !maint udev |
| 10:32.04 | kevix | the_cloud_, IIRC udev in undergoing yet another transition. remove hotplug, add coldplug or something like that... |
| 10:32.07 | bob2 | t: no, his family or friends |
| 10:32.08 | dpkg | udev: Marco d'Itri <md@linux.it> |
| 10:32.17 | SimonRaven | ^^^^ |
| 10:32.42 | liable | heh, good luck. :P |
| 10:32.47 | berzerka | jm_: i am trying to communicate a target-specific variable to a sub-make. cant be that difficult.. |
| 10:32.51 | SimonRaven | quite |
| 10:33.41 | jm_ | berzerka: ${MAKE} "foo = bar" |
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| 10:34.13 | t | bob2: I wouldn't want to traumatize them just to satisfy my curiosity. It just seems that if someone died while at work, that place of work should tell people what caused the death |
| 10:34.22 | Guerin | t: why? |
| 10:34.28 | berzerka | jm_: would like to do it in advance to the make call. like: foo = bar ; export foo ; $(MAKE) ... |
| 10:34.43 | emac | that second SATA drive is definitely sdb but after I remove it from fstab and disable it from BIOS I still get the kernel panic |
| 10:34.44 | Guerin | t: whose business is it other than family, friends and workplace? |
| 10:35.04 | kevix | liable, yea md give nice replys, hehe. |
| 10:35.07 | Guerin | t: if it was your business, you'd have a means to find out; otherwise you're just being voyeuristic |
| 10:35.18 | emac | this drive is empty, why is the kernel depending on it |
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| 10:35.36 | berzerka | jm_: hey, it works that way, great! *still doesnt get why* |
| 10:36.03 | kevix | emac, which drive is empty. |
| 10:36.08 | emac | sdb |
| 10:36.17 | emac | and its removed from fstab |
| 10:36.49 | berzerka | jm_: thanks a lot, i will read the info doc again more thoroughly! |
| 10:36.52 | kevix | emac, what do you mean by 'depending on it'? you cant umount it ? |
| 10:36.54 | fusionfox | i cant get my othes HDD to get mount what can i do? |
| 10:37.10 | jm_ | berzerka: you don't need to export it, just set the var and pass it on |
| 10:37.28 | kevix | fusionfox, what command did you use? |
| 10:37.41 | emac | well no its not mounting at all because theres no entry in fstab for it |
| 10:37.44 | fusionfox | mount |
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| 10:37.56 | fusionfox | kevix, first used the man fstab |
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| 10:38.01 | fusionfox | and got command |
| 10:38.08 | fusionfox | but i cannot get it to work |
| 10:38.12 | kevix | emac, you can mount a drive with out it being in fstab. |
| 10:38.40 | emac | the drive will mount no problem. I want to remove it from the computer |
| 10:38.52 | kevix | fusionfox, something like 'mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1' ? |
| 10:39.03 | antgel | kevix: i might install discover. never bothered with it before, always saw it as being for machines with _changing_ hardware |
| 10:39.15 | t | Guerin: "if it was your business, you'd have a means to find out" - that doesn't make any sense. It's like saying to a street beggar - if you were meant to have any money, you'd have a means of obtaining them without my help. |
| 10:39.16 | emac | so, ive removed it from fstab but the computer wont boot without the drive connected physivally |
| 10:39.29 | fusionfox | kevix, nope nothing like that XD |
| 10:39.33 | emac | and enabled from BIOS |
| 10:39.47 | Guerin | t: no, it's not. |
| 10:40.13 | kevix | emac, remove as in un-mount it, take it out of a raid, or out of the computer? |
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| 10:40.32 | t | Guerin: look, if you don't know, you don't know. End of story. But don't tell me that I'm a bad person just for asking. That's nonsense. |
| 10:40.36 | Guerin | t: are you such an informational beggar that you need to know this? Don't you have anything better to do? |
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| 10:40.39 | emac | linux looks for the drive upon booting... and the kernel panics w/out it |
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| 10:40.41 | bob2 | t: anyway, that's all the details that were publically released by debian. if you can't find any more and are unwilling to ask the family yourself, you'll have to remain unknowing, sorry. |
| 10:41.09 | kevix | emac, did you have to change the hd jumpers (master,slave,only)? |
| 10:41.31 | emac | didnt change any settings, there SATA ports |
| 10:41.45 | emac | so no master, slave etc... |
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| 10:41.59 | Scognito | hi all |
| 10:42.26 | kevix | emac, if you thing the kernel needs it, then the details must be in /etc/lilo.conf or /etc/fstab referring to it, no? |
| 10:42.27 | emac | is there any other config file that has information about the disks |
| 10:42.28 | Scognito | was the problem with udev solved on unstable? |
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| 10:42.36 | t | Guerin: killing someone (even by accident) is not a "personal affair" that is on a need-to-know basis, that's what I'm saying. |
| 10:42.45 | emac | ill check grub now |
| 10:42.53 | fusionfox | how do i know the device identification i dont wanna do a mistake and damage my system |
| 10:42.54 | Guerin | t: bullshit. EOF. |
| 10:42.55 | kevix | Scognito, which one this week? |
| 10:43.13 | liable | t: give in dude, your banging your head against a wall here, no one knows. |
| 10:43.30 | antgel | t: curiosity killed the cat |
| 10:43.34 | liable | t: look elsewhere |
| 10:43.49 | seeker | does anyone have some experience with debian's nagios package? i have problems getting performance data processing to work... |
| 10:43.57 | kevix | fusionfox, look at /proc/partitions and dmesg for info. |
| 10:44.02 | t | liable: I did. But what I found seems to be unreliable (rumors). |
| 10:44.21 | emac | grub only has entrys for sda which is the first disk the OS is on |
| 10:44.42 | liable | t: well, here doesnt seem to be the place to ask, so i dunno.. |
| 10:44.42 | fusionfox | =S, and how do i do that i am not that advance user |
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| 10:45.16 | kevix | emac, exactly what is the message. |
| 10:45.27 | emac | brb |
| 10:45.30 | streuner | t: personal site of him provides even more infos about |
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| 10:45.39 | streuner | t: look at uni munich |
| 10:46.03 | kevix | fusionfox, 'less /proc/partitions' and 'dmesg|less' |
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| 10:46.35 | darkness | Hi folks.I'm trying to get apache to work.When i type in my domain name i get my router login.Now i've installed apache 2. netstat-penta shows 192.168.0.2:80 tcp listening and i've port forwarded at the router www port 80 incoming to 192.168.0.2. Any ideas? |
| 10:47.45 | liable | darkness: disable remote acces on your router for a start |
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| 10:47.51 | liable | access |
| 10:47.55 | palmax | Hello! |
| 10:48.04 | liable | hello!!! |
| 10:48.13 | jeffc_sf | hello! |
| 10:48.17 | palmax | Can you bring me info about nvidia driver installation? |
| 10:48.40 | kevix | palmax, use 'module-assistant' |
| 10:48.56 | palmax | I think that you have a help in a bot, isnt it? |
| 10:49.12 | antgel | !tell palmax about nvidia oneline |
| 10:49.12 | Guerin | !nvidia one liner |
| 10:49.13 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 10:49.18 | palmax | thx! |
| 10:49.24 | antgel | what Guerin said :) |
| 10:50.07 | liable | palmax: /msg dpkg nvidia then go from there.. |
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| 10:50.25 | palmax | do you know if it run in a TNT2? |
| 10:50.26 | liable | palmax: if that one-liner seems a bit out of yoour depth |
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| 10:50.36 | palmax | I have a TNT2 card, |
| 10:51.09 | drac | TNT2 needs NVidia legacy drivers, those normals won't work. |
| 10:51.32 | palmax | are you sure? |
| 10:51.41 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 10:51.51 | kevix | palmax, have you tried the 'nv' open source ones? |
| 10:52.00 | palmax | no, i dont |
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| 10:52.15 | darkness | liable: remote access is switched off already. |
| 10:52.26 | palmax | SimonRaven, how can I have gl with a tnt2? |
| 10:52.51 | SimonRaven | just enable it. follow the howto |
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| 10:52.57 | SimonRaven | !nvidia howto |
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| 10:52.57 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia-howto was http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
| 10:53.00 | palmax | thx! |
| 10:53.19 | haugha | hi.. wondring what "sslWriteClient: FD 75: write failure: (104) Connection reset by peer." means.. in my squid log file. |
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| 10:54.04 | Mortalman | Has anyone had problems using "sux" over an SSH session ? |
| 10:54.15 | pandrew | Hello. I made a plip connection between my laptop, and my desktop pc. They can ping each other. I got these commands from a debian documentation: "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward " to connect my laptop to the internet. My first question is wath is the echo ... for? My second question is: do i need to do anything on the laptop to make it work?(i already have an entry in resolv.conf) |
| 10:54.36 | petemc | pandrew: to turn on ip forwarding in the kernel |
| 10:54.43 | liable | darkness: is this at your ip, cause i get an apache page from this side.. |
| 10:54.48 | jm_ | pandrew: read about it in sysctl docs |
| 10:54.55 | petemc | pandrew: and you probably just need to set a gateway address on the client if it can ping |
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| 10:55.11 | pandrew | do i need to recompile the kernel? |
| 10:55.19 | pandrew | petemc: how do i do that? |
| 10:55.22 | kevix | pandrew, the echo writes/sends the value to the flag |
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| 10:55.49 | pandrew | kevix: i understand it, but what does it do in this situation |
| 10:55.52 | jm_ | and you can enable ip_forwarding on Debian using networking options file, although that's apparently deprecated in sid |
| 10:55.59 | petemc | pandrew: if you dont have ip forwarding in your kernel already you will. you set a gateway with ip route add default via 1.2.3.4 |
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| 10:56.22 | kevix | pandrew, I used the 'ipmasq' package |
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| 10:56.45 | pandrew | petemc: i don't have the ip program. |
| 10:56.48 | fusionfox | what is appletalk services good for_ |
| 10:56.50 | fusionfox | ? |
| 10:57.04 | fusionfox | and how do i unistall it? |
| 10:57.04 | emac | ok heres the error im getting at boot time. pastebin.com/388899 |
| 10:57.09 | kevix | fusionfox, connection to a mac |
| 10:57.10 | petemc | pandrew: route add default gateway 1.2.3.4 them, you should install ip tho |
| 10:57.12 | SimonRaven | apple file sharing |
| 10:57.16 | petemc | s/them/then/ |
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| 10:57.28 | jm_ | appletalk is a suite of protocols |
| 10:57.47 | SimonRaven | a bunch, like routing, time, files, etc. |
| 10:57.50 | jm_ | pandrew: you can set the gateway via interfaces file, don't do it by hand |
| 10:58.02 | fusionfox | how do i uninstall that thing i am not going to use it ad it take a little time loading it |
| 10:58.03 | jm_ | don't forget echo! |
| 10:58.08 | Scognito | kevix, ( i was away) some devices (like mouse) weren't created |
| 10:58.09 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 10:58.28 | kevix | emac, did you change your kernel recently? |
| 10:58.33 | emac | nope |
| 10:58.40 | darkness | liable: Tks, looks like it's working.My page should be at metawire.net.Strange when i type metawire in i get the router but guess thats not important. |
| 10:58.42 | SimonRaven | fusionfox: remove it like any other package... |
| 10:58.54 | Scognito | and if install .060 of udev i get "cretaing initial devices nodes... unknown volume type" at boot messages |
| 10:58.56 | antgel | fusionfox: are you using debian? |
| 10:58.57 | Scognito | and it freezes |
| 10:59.01 | pandrew | ok, i need to go now, bu i will be back soon |
| 10:59.03 | fusionfox | yes sarge 3.1 |
| 10:59.07 | emac | it loads no problem when the two drives are enabled in BIOS |
| 10:59.23 | Scognito | wonder if other people are using udev with debian sid |
| 10:59.26 | liable | darkness: well, default metawire goes to apache, so its up and running ;) |
| 10:59.46 | emac | even if they dont have entrys in fstab it seems |
| 10:59.50 | fusionfox | antgel, yes debian sarge 3.1 |
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| 11:00.21 | bk | dlopen: /usr/local/X11R6.8/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:00.23 | bk | how to fix that? |
| 11:00.24 | antgel | fusionfox: right. just curious as it's not part of the base install |
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| 11:01.02 | fusionfox | antgel, i net installed and selected all package available XD |
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| 11:01.13 | RoyK | hi |
| 11:01.19 | SimonRaven | uh, why? that's not possible anyway |
| 11:01.23 | bk | apt: find libpcidata.so |
| 11:01.34 | SimonRaven | ask dpkg |
| 11:01.40 | antgel | fusionfox: that was clever :) |
| 11:02.04 | SimonRaven | not really |
| 11:02.08 | fusionfox | antgel, is that some kind of sarcasm =P |
| 11:02.17 | antgel | fusionfox: *nod* |
| 11:02.19 | liable | fusionfox: silly really, now you have a shitload of services running on your box.. |
| 11:02.31 | RoyK | any idea how I can install sarge amd64 on my new IBM xSeries 336? The installer doesn't see the cdrom..... |
| 11:02.32 | RoyK | :( |
| 11:02.38 | kevix | Scognito, have you checked http://bugs.debian.org/udev or read the last few days of debian-dev mailing list for marco's posts? |
| 11:02.56 | liable | RoyK: #debian-amd64 |
| 11:02.59 | bk | Linux gearbox 2.6.13 #53 Mon Oct 10 18:47:06 WST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:03.03 | fusionfox | liable, lol dont blame i just wanted to start using Linux, and whats the best way starting doing sily things that way i learn XP |
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| 11:03.31 | liable | fusionfox: good way to get hacked too! :) |
| 11:03.40 | antgel | fusionfox: believe it or not, doing silly things is not the best way to learn |
| 11:03.41 | Scognito | kevix, not yet |
| 11:03.43 | Scognito | going there |
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| 11:03.50 | bk | dpkg: find libpcidata.so |
| 11:04.09 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libpcidata.so' returned no results. |
| 11:04.10 | fusionfox | antgel, yes for me =P in thi scountry there are not a lot of books of linux |
| 11:04.10 | RoyK | liable: why is there a separate channel for amd64? |
| 11:04.13 | darkness | liable: Don't mention getting hacked.Friend of mine just had his website hacked and they deleted everything :-( |
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| 11:04.32 | bk | so is x.org impossible to run on sid amd64? |
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| 11:04.52 | SimonRaven | fusionfox: i haven't read one single linux-related book. i can't afford it ;), and the local library sucketh |
| 11:05.03 | liable | RoyK: cause its 64 bit? |
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| 11:05.05 | fusionfox | SimonRaven, then you are the man )P |
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| 11:05.21 | SimonRaven | nah |
| 11:05.28 | antgel | fusionfox: i don't mean books. i mean the online documentation, of which there is much |
| 11:05.34 | antgel | !tell fusionfox about grounding |
| 11:05.36 | bk | i love this channel |
| 11:05.38 | kevix | fusionfox, can you get fedex where you live? get debian bible (new edition) or martin kraftt's new book. |
| 11:05.41 | liable | darkness: ouch |
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| 11:05.54 | fusionfox | uuhhh books |
| 11:06.00 | liable | darkness: he knows why? |
| 11:06.14 | fusionfox | eehh jejee i prefer online documentation =P read till i die!! |
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| 11:06.34 | fusionfox | but question again how the **** i mount a ntf windows partition on dev |
| 11:06.46 | darkness | liable: No.We are just a bunch of guys who write tutorials for fun.Don't know why we were targeted? |
| 11:06.47 | liable | i like books. can take em to the shitter.. :P |
| 11:06.57 | fusionfox | liable, lol |
| 11:07.14 | darkness | heh, Laptops are good for that using wireless :-) |
| 11:07.20 | liable | darkness: learn a bit about security then i guess. |
| 11:07.21 | bk | I'll smear shit all over this channel in a second |
| 11:07.21 | kevix | fusionfox, there is also the debian-reference (can use apt-get to get it, then read offline |
| 11:07.29 | bob2 | bk: ? |
| 11:07.32 | bk | ;) |
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| 11:07.38 | darkness | liable: I never coded it.btw you any good at php :-) |
| 11:07.47 | sword | hey has anyone had any trouble compiling a 2.6.13.3 kernel? |
| 11:07.47 | fusionfox | kevix, tell me commands dude =P |
| 11:07.48 | bk | bob2: no clue why X doesn't run. |
| 11:07.58 | sword | i keep getting a kernel panic...i think i might need a devfs patch |
| 11:07.59 | fusionfox | should i use the /msg dpkg docs? |
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| 11:08.01 | liable | darkness: no, i cant even write a good bash script :) |
| 11:08.06 | darkness | btw, what os grounding? |
| 11:08.08 | kevix | fusionfox, apt-get install debian-reference |
| 11:08.18 | bob2 | sword: that sounds way more like you just misconfigured it |
| 11:08.27 | sword | well bob2 |
| 11:08.28 | bob2 | sword: if you don't have devfs, you use your static /dev which should be fine |
| 11:08.35 | sword | k |
| 11:08.41 | bk | I need libpcidata.so, but it doesn't exist? |
| 11:08.56 | bk | dpkg: listvals pcidata |
| 11:08.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'pcidata' by value returned no results. |
| 11:09.00 | fusionfox | what command can i suse to open root terminal without changing sessions? |
| 11:09.01 | bob2 | http://pciids.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:09.04 | kevix | bob2, thought devfs was only on d-i! |
| 11:09.09 | sword | my kernel fails to load /lib/modules/2.6.13.3/modules.dep because it says no suck file or directory |
| 11:09.15 | SimonRaven | update-pciids script.... |
| 11:09.15 | bob2 | kevix: it was part of the kernel for a looong time |
| 11:09.15 | sword | although it actually does exist |
| 11:09.26 | sword | it compiled fine and all...hm |
| 11:09.32 | bob2 | kevix: it just magically went from "experimental" to "deprecated" with no stable step in between |
| 11:10.01 | SimonRaven | was unmaintained, pretty much |
| 11:10.05 | bk | hrm |
| 11:10.11 | darkness | !tell darkness about grounding |
| 11:10.22 | liable | and now we have udev!.. |
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| 11:10.44 | sword | bob2, what could that problem be caused from if the file exists |
| 11:11.30 | AzMoo | The LFS book has a good explanation about the whole devfs debacle. |
| 11:12.13 | Scognito | why udev removes hotplug??? |
| 11:12.43 | syntaxx | in nvidia howto it says i must deselect the X server driver GLcore and dri is it ok if i dont deselect dri? |
| 11:12.44 | SimonRaven | gonna have to add something to the /topic for that... |
| 11:12.54 | liable | Scognito: conflicts reasons presumably |
| 11:13.00 | SimonRaven | syntaxx: follow it exactly |
| 11:13.04 | EdLin | !udev |
| 11:13.04 | jm_ | syntaxx: it will not be loaded anyway since DRI doesn't work with it, disable it |
| 11:13.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 11:13.16 | bob2 | Scognito: pretty sure it replaced it in the end |
| 11:13.26 | liable | Scognito: downgrade it and put it on hold. |
| 11:13.29 | bob2 | sword: sounds like your initrd is a dud |
| 11:13.38 | sword | damn |
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| 11:13.45 | Scognito | liable, if i put udev .060 kernel doesn't boot |
| 11:13.52 | sword | any way I can fix it? |
| 11:13.53 | liable | bob2: udev replaces hotplug? |
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| 11:14.06 | fusionfox | kevix, how do i read the documentation i downloaded? |
| 11:14.20 | liable | Scognito: what kernel? i got 0.06, and a 2.6.13 and it boots. |
| 11:14.31 | rjalex | why does apt-get upgrade have gcc-4.0-base pinned ? :( Thank you |
| 11:14.46 | bob2 | sword: if you're compiling your own kernel, just dn't use an initrd at all |
| 11:14.51 | syntaxx | ok |
| 11:14.54 | bob2 | liable: udev and coldplug, as far as I can tell |
| 11:14.59 | bob2 | rjalex: welcome to sid |
| 11:15.04 | sword | but im using grub bob2 |
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| 11:15.11 | bob2 | rjalex: apt-get install gcc-4.0-base, will tell you why it can't be upgraded |
| 11:15.12 | sword | doesn't lilo also need it? |
| 11:15.16 | sword | hmm |
| 11:15.17 | bob2 | sword: what? |
| 11:15.24 | Scognito | i have 2.6.12 |
| 11:15.26 | bob2 | bootloaders don't require or disallow initrds |
| 11:15.30 | Scognito | debian version |
| 11:15.31 | kevix | fusionfox, 'dpkg -l debian-reference' should tell you where to look |
| 11:15.33 | rjalex | bob2: hello ! In fact I have an etch system with just a few sid packages. |
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| 11:15.46 | kevix | Scognito, look at: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ADl-ZFDd3_MJ:incoming.debian.org/udev_0.070-3_s390.changes+debian+udev+conflicts+hotplug&hl=en |
| 11:15.49 | fo0 | hi |
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| 11:16.37 | rjalex | bob2: and gcc-4.0-base would remove most of Gnome components (neede by Gnucash), KDE and some xfonts stuff ... :( |
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| 11:16.50 | Scognito | reading |
| 11:16.51 | Scognito | tnx |
| 11:17.11 | liable | kevix: you have the latest? any problems/ |
| 11:17.13 | rjalex | bob2: to be exact it would want to remove 111 packages !! |
| 11:17.15 | liable | ? |
| 11:17.27 | Scognito | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:17.43 | Scognito | i tought udev and hotplug had to be together |
| 11:17.45 | bk_ | hmmm |
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| 11:17.53 | sword | bob2, i need initrd since i am using modules |
| 11:17.58 | kevix | liable, no complaints here. just lucky I guess x-) |
| 11:18.05 | sword | especially for my ndivia driver |
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| 11:18.08 | bk_ | where is afterstep2 configuration kept? |
| 11:18.23 | liable | kevix: ok, you obviously dont have any older kernels you boot too? |
| 11:18.39 | kevix | liable, no. 2.6.12 here |
| 11:18.45 | liable | kevix: sid i take it? |
| 11:18.57 | kevix | liable, yup |
| 11:19.09 | rjalex | any chances that my gcc-4.0.-base syndrome will get better with time ? :) |
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| 11:19.37 | kevix | liable, it seems udev is forging ahead and to hell with backward compatibility! |
| 11:19.49 | bk_ | there we go |
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| 11:20.16 | EdLin | rjalex: if you need to ask questions like that you shouldn't be running unstable packages |
| 11:20.40 | rjalex | EdLin: I have ran unstable systems for the past 2 years :) |
| 11:20.48 | liable | kevix: yeah, seems that way. |
| 11:20.55 | rjalex | EdLin: very sedlom had problems |
| 11:20.58 | Pixels- | i dont run unstable packages, but im unstable. |
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| 11:21.12 | liable | !commit Pixels- |
| 11:21.26 | liable | .. |
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| 11:22.06 | Pixels- | lol as i say that, my xchat crashes lol |
| 11:22.18 | bk_ | !commit bk_ |
| 11:22.24 | bk_ | !erp |
| 11:22.24 | dpkg | i heard erp is enterprise resource planning... mrproject is an example of an erp program in debian. mrproject has been renamed to planner. yes, it's in debian. |
| 11:23.00 | liable | fuckit, i might update it and see what breaks. |
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| 11:23.13 | RoyK | hi |
| 11:23.25 | rjalex | dpkg: erp != project manager |
| 11:23.28 | RoyK | is debian pxe install possible? |
| 11:23.39 | kevix | RoyK, yes. |
| 11:23.42 | bk_ | fucking. can't even install vlc on amd64 |
| 11:24.12 | kevix | bk_, folks seem to say you need a 'chroot' for 32bit apps. |
| 11:24.26 | RoyK | bk_: que? |
| 11:24.43 | bk_ | hmmm |
| 11:24.44 | RoyK | kevix: is there a howto? |
| 11:24.58 | bk_ | so does vlc exist or not? |
| 11:25.06 | kevix | RoyK, I go to google and check. |
| 11:26.41 | liable | bk_: #debian-amd64 |
| 11:27.04 | kevix | RoyK, check http://www.kegel.com/linux/pxe.html |
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| 11:27.43 | fritz[] | if I install package from source with make; make install ... how can I remove it? |
| 11:27.47 | bk_ | hah. gotta love new afterstep. moved window too high |
| 11:28.02 | rjalex | Let me try to rephrase: I wanted a testing system, probably screwed up something in an attempt to install a few packages from sid. Now how do I understand what is wrong and how to fix it ? apt-get upgrade says gcc-4.0-base is pinned and to upgradeit it would remove another 111 packages (most of KDE and Gnome). apt-get dist upgrade would JUST :) remove 19 packages amongst which kernel-package, gcc, gcc-4.0, gnucash, hal-device-manager, firefox and quit |
| 11:28.10 | bk_ | wtf. can't use left mouse button to drag any more |
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| 11:28.39 | marc7 | trying to compile apache2 by hand, it's looking for the zlib library to compile mod_deflate support... I've installed the zlib1g and zlibc packages through apt-get, any other suggestions? |
| 11:28.40 | kevix | fritz[], is the package in debian? if so you can get the source, modify it and make a deb to install. |
| 11:29.20 | ma3x | when I try to burn dvd video, it displays always the same error: could not determine size of resulting image file |
| 11:29.31 | fritz[] | kevix, we, in fact, im having problems with mailman configuration :( |
| 11:29.50 | ma3x | /usr/bin/mkisofs: No such file or directory. Faild to open /tmp/kde-ma3x/k3bVideoDvd1//VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO |
| 11:29.50 | ma3x | what's that? |
| 11:29.52 | ma3x | what's wrong? |
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| 11:30.30 | kevix | fritz[], I think most hand install go into /usr. if so, just delete the directory for MM. |
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| 11:30.59 | liable | ma3x: means the file doesnt exist? or you have the wrong path anyway.. try removing the // |
| 11:31.00 | kevix | ma3x, do you have mkisofs installed ? |
| 11:31.07 | fritz[] | kevix, thank you, btw, have u ever configured mailman? |
| 11:31.15 | kevix | fritz[], nope. |
| 11:31.19 | ma3x | liable, I can't remove it. that's what the debug output of k3b is |
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| 11:31.28 | S4nD3r | What should I install to get print from my kmail ?? |
| 11:31.33 | liable | ma3x: and the command is? |
| 11:31.44 | liable | ma3x: oh, k3b.. |
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| 11:31.56 | Shadur | S4nD3r: A printing facility that can interact with kdeprint. |
| 11:32.28 | kevix | S4nD3r, ususally cups should be installed (or lpr ....) |
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| 11:32.43 | fusionfox | what command i can use to modify fstab? |
| 11:32.44 | pabs3 | is there a way to make apt use the Packages.gz files instead of Packages.bz2? experimental/contrib and experimental/non-free don't seem to generate Packages.bz2 files |
| 11:33.08 | kevix | fusionfox, any text editor (vi, emacs, nano, gedit) |
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| 11:33.18 | Shadur | fusionfox: I like vim |
| 11:33.24 | fusionfox | it just says fstab doesnt exist |
| 11:33.38 | fusionfox | or do i have to put full way of file? |
| 11:33.41 | kevix | fusionfox, /etc/fstab |
| 11:33.54 | fusionfox | oh okey, thx kevix |
| 11:33.55 | Shadur | fusionfox: Unless you're in /etc already, you'll have to specify the entire path, yes. |
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| 11:34.10 | fusionfox | =) great |
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| 11:34.56 | kevix | time to go... see ya in 20 hours.... |
| 11:35.11 | Shadur | vim, like every single unix text editor I know of, invariably assumes you mean to edit in or from the present working directory unless you specify an absolute path |
| 11:38.15 | palmax | Hello! |
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| 11:38.53 | palmax | I cant find nvidia legency driver howto |
| 11:38.53 | WMS_Jimmy | how do i load enviernments |
| 11:38.53 | fireba11 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 11:38.53 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 11:38.54 | liable | who runs awstats and what perms did you have to fux0r to get cron to run it? |
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| 11:39.14 | palmax | fireba11, Im searching the legency <- I have a tnt2 |
| 11:39.28 | antgel | liable: i do and don't use cron. i click update on the webpage. |
| 11:39.33 | SimonRaven | !nvidia howto |
| 11:39.34 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
| 11:39.34 | fireba11 | palmax: ah, sorry then |
| 11:39.41 | palmax | thx fireba11 |
| 11:39.41 | fusionfox | i cannot get to edit fstab with vim it just doesnt write or delete |
| 11:39.44 | palmax | thx SimonRaven |
| 11:39.55 | Shadowcat | fusionfox: you know |
| 11:39.59 | Shadowcat | you have to be root for that |
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| 11:40.06 | Stormbringer | hi |
| 11:40.08 | SimonRaven | fusionfox: sudo, su, etc. |
| 11:40.15 | fusionfox | i am using root console |
| 11:40.19 | WMS_Jimmy | guess no one can help me lol |
| 11:40.52 | SimonRaven | WMS_Jimmy: hint: do 'printenv', you'll see a bunch already there |
| 11:41.05 | liable | antgel: oh, you have that enabled? did you have to change any perms for anything for that? |
| 11:41.09 | SimonRaven | WMS_Jimmy: you'll have to be more specific |
| 11:41.46 | WMS_Jimmy | im trying to load kde |
| 11:42.16 | Stormbringer | i want to setup named on my server to respond to local requests on the interface 10.10.1.1. I configured a zone file for the local net, which works fine (I can resolvv local hosts). What I now want to do is to forward all other requests (from ip's different than local) to another nameserver of my isp. I just found the option "forward only", but that eliminiates the local zone. how can i achieve the functionality i'm looking for? |
| 11:42.21 | antgel | liable: it was somewhere in the config file. don't remember where. don't recall fucking with any permissions |
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| 11:42.53 | liable | antgel: hrm, ok. i know where its in the config. debian install? |
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| 11:43.42 | antgel | liable: as much as i'm tempted to say knoppix, it's debian :P |
| 11:44.09 | liable | antgel: i meant 'not from source' :P |
| 11:45.06 | antgel | liable: perish the thought. there's some cron notes in README.Debian |
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| 11:46.02 | liable | antgel: yeah, i been reading that, and it disturbs me changing the perms for access. |
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| 11:47.36 | fusionfox | ehh guys help!!, whats the <dump> and <pass> means? |
| 11:48.08 | yoo | Hi ! |
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| 11:48.25 | EdLin | palmax: still there? I have a TNT2 |
| 11:48.29 | joedj | hey folks, apt+ruby has left my system in a useless state. 'apt-get -f install' tells me that libruby1.8 is trying to overwrite a file that is also in libopenssl-ruby1.8, trying to remove libopenssl-ruby1.8 tells me to run apt-get -f install. in the meantime, i can't install or uninstall anything else... |
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| 11:48.47 | antgel | fusionfox: you must learn to read the manual before you ask here. we're volunteers etc and you could help _us_ by doing that. |
| 11:48.47 | palmax | EdLin, yes |
| 11:49.08 | palmax | EdLin, I'm searching of have a 3d acceleration with a tnt2 |
| 11:49.11 | palmax | can you help me? |
| 11:49.14 | EdLin | palmax: get driver version 7174, not older and not later. It is the last driver from nvidia that works with old cards. |
| 11:49.29 | palmax | EdLin, nv dont work? |
| 11:49.34 | lunaphyte_ | ugh.. sorry for the join/quit spamming everyone. :( |
| 11:49.37 | palmax | EdLin, do nv work? |
| 11:49.41 | fusionfox | XD sorry, but this is the fstab and i dont wanna mess up and in the manual it doesnt explain |
| 11:49.41 | EdLin | palmax: nv works too, but won't give you 3d acceleration |
| 11:49.46 | antgel | palmax: man nv? |
| 11:49.47 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.51 | fusionfox | sorry i wont ask again =P |
| 11:49.54 | yoo | somebody can help me ! |
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| 11:50.07 | yoo | tveeprom: audio_processor = None (type = 0) |
| 11:50.13 | RichiH | !tell yoo about sound |
| 11:50.14 | palmax | EdLin, do I have to use 7174 nvidia driver? |
| 11:50.14 | antgel | fusionfox: ask by all means, but make the effort yourself first. man fstab is not rocket science :) |
| 11:50.20 | Beik | joedj: dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libruby1.8*.deb |
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| 11:50.26 | EdLin | palmax: if you want 3d acceleration yes |
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| 11:50.42 | liable | antgel: hrm, looking at the config, you still need to hax0r the perms to allow updating from browser. whats your perms on access.log? (if you dont mind) |
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| 11:50.53 | EdLin | palmax: "nv" gives you some 2D acceleration |
| 11:50.55 | palmax | EdLin, where can I download it? google? |
| 11:50.57 | yoo | ok i look that ! |
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| 11:51.02 | AzMoo | palmax, nvidia website |
| 11:51.18 | palmax | EdLin, do you know a howto? |
| 11:51.22 | EdLin | palmax: www.nvidia.com, and pick the archives of older driver versions |
| 11:51.28 | joedj | Beik: hehe thanks, that worked a treat (it installed libruby1.8.2-9 and libruby1.8.3-1, but at least i can do stuff again ;-) |
| 11:51.35 | EdLin | palmax: the instructions will be installed in /usr/share/doc |
| 11:51.38 | fusionfox | angel, lol yeah but i dont have the heck of idean what that could mean |
| 11:51.51 | palmax | ok! |
| 11:51.57 | antgel | fusionfox: then you need to read more documentation until you _do_. |
| 11:52.07 | yoo | by problem is just with TV card |
| 11:52.11 | fusionfox | antgel, lol XD |
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| 11:52.21 | Beik | joedj: your welcome :) |
| 11:52.25 | yoo | i can heard mxmms music of mplayer film |
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| 11:52.44 | yoo | xmms music or mplayer film :) |
| 11:52.48 | antgel | liable: -rw-r--r-- 1 root adm 10869 2005-10-10 11:44 /var/log/apache2/wayforth.access.log |
| 11:52.49 | AzMoo | Beik, s/your/you're |
| 11:52.51 | yoo | sorry |
| 11:52.53 | AzMoo | ugh, sorry |
| 11:52.55 | AzMoo | lol |
| 11:52.56 | AzMoo | habit |
| 11:53.00 | ruoso | hi... does somebody knows how to disable ident check on ircd-ircu |
| 11:53.02 | ruoso | ? |
| 11:53.07 | liable | antgel: cheers |
| 11:53.08 | Beik | AzMoo: Thank you. |
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| 11:53.13 | palmax | 7174! |
| 11:53.14 | EdLin | !tell AzMoo -about enter |
| 11:53.29 | liable | antgel: and the .pl is grp adm? |
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| 11:54.35 | antgel | liable: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 527417 2005-03-26 06:11 /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl |
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| 11:54.53 | liable | hrm, lemme try |
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| 11:55.18 | EdLin | palmax: even that version of the nvidia driver is buggy, but it at least does more than show the logo and freeze. |
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| 11:55.37 | EdLin | palmax: you (we) should look into getting a newer card. |
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| 11:55.56 | Scognito | re |
| 11:56.05 | EdLin | not necessarily from nvidia though, they are to evil. ;) |
| 11:56.14 | Scognito | i solved some problems but news came :/ |
| 11:56.22 | EdLin | s/to/too |
| 11:57.20 | Scognito | i've installed new udev 070-3 kernel-2.6.13-1, and added mousedev,evdev in /etc/modules... |
| 11:57.38 | Scognito | it loads the system but i have now 2 problems: |
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| 11:58.00 | Scognito | 1) /dev/fb0 and company does not exists even if i have nvfb loaded |
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| 11:58.40 | Scognito | 2) X doesn't start but if i reinstall nvidia-kernel-2.6.13 (done with m-a) X get loaded |
| 11:58.51 | Scognito | every reboot i have to reinstall nvidia kernel |
| 11:59.12 | Mortalman | Can someone reccomend a good samba server configuration util besides vi ? |
| 11:59.17 | Scognito | does someone has a solution? |
| 11:59.21 | EdLin | Mortalman: emacs |
| 11:59.35 | bob2 | Mortalman: some people like swat |
| 11:59.59 | EfaistOs | does someone use amd64 version of Debian ? is it quite stable even testing ? |
| 12:00.04 | joedj | Beik: aww man, that hosed ruby =P |
| 12:00.05 | Mortalman | bob2: maybe a nice X app? |
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| 12:00.14 | seeeS | mortal, swat |
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| 12:00.21 | Scognito | hello... :) |
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| 12:00.27 | Beik | joedj: apt-get install -f |
| 12:00.33 | seeeS | though how you can pass up vi is austounding |
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| 12:00.55 | coywolf | !slackware |
| 12:00.55 | dpkg | well, slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware |
| 12:01.01 | joedj | Beik: does nuttin |
| 12:01.09 | Mortalman | seeeS: I don't see a need to learn it. |
| 12:01.09 | coywolf | any1 loves slackware? |
| 12:01.26 | EdLin | !any1 |
| 12:01.26 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 12:01.26 | Ronin | the folks in #slackware i presume |
| 12:01.27 | liable | antgel: hrm, i cant get the fucker to work without changing access grp to www-data.. |
| 12:01.37 | joedj | Beik: never mind, me being silly with a shell in a directory that had been unlinked and since recreated... |
| 12:01.50 | seeeS | mortalman: what is there to learn? install it and then use a browser |
| 12:02.02 | Beik | joedj: the problem was that you have had more than one libruby*.deb in the cache of apt... :( |
| 12:02.14 | Mortalman | seeeS: Was refering to vi. hehe |
| 12:02.34 | palmax | I will back |
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| 12:02.39 | seeeS | oh, vi.. well there is a lot to learn but its great once you know the keys |
| 12:02.39 | palmax | bye |
| 12:02.40 | Beik | joedj: hmmm... is your problem solved? |
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| 12:03.43 | joedj | Beik: no, something bad has happened to my ruby installation |
| 12:03.48 | Mortalman | seeeS: mcedit all the way. 8) |
| 12:04.00 | joedj | Beik: it sucks, because they use their own packaging format 'gem' for certain things i need specific versions of... |
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| 12:05.03 | joedj | pretty sure everything on the dpkg side of things is A-OK |
| 12:05.41 | Beik | joedj: ok. so i can't help you. sorry :( |
| 12:05.55 | dimir | Morning. |
| 12:06.03 | joedj | that's ok, thanks :) |
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| 12:06.47 | fusionfox | i know this will sound silly, but how do i save the fstab after i finish what i am doing, cause when i exit it doesnt save chaanges? |
| 12:06.50 | pandrew | hello. what can i do to lower the processor usage of my plip connection? |
| 12:07.08 | dimir | renice it!! |
| 12:07.08 | AzMoo | fusionfox, are you root? |
| 12:07.13 | fusionfox | yes |
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| 12:07.25 | AzMoo | Well that's odd. it's a simple text file. |
| 12:07.30 | fusionfox | AzMoo, i cannot acces file if i am not toot |
| 12:07.36 | fusionfox | root* |
| 12:07.46 | bob2 | fusionfox: depends what editor you're using |
| 12:07.47 | pandrew | dimir: it is not a process |
| 12:07.54 | dimir | fusionfox: are you sure the filesystem is not mounted ro? |
| 12:07.55 | pandrew | dimir (i think) |
| 12:07.56 | fusionfox | bob2, i am using bim |
| 12:08.05 | bob2 | fusionfox: :wq |
| 12:08.10 | bob2 | assuming you mean vi |
| 12:08.12 | dimir | pandrew: whatever it is there is a process controlling it. |
| 12:08.25 | fusionfox | vim |
| 12:08.26 | jp | sjcvewegkkg |
| 12:08.26 | fusionfox | yes |
| 12:08.39 | fusionfox | dimir, ???? what?? |
| 12:08.46 | Beik | jp: do you need some help ;) |
| 12:09.49 | pandrew | dimir : inetd maybe?? i don't know, plip is a kernel module. after loading it i just do an ifconfig |
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| 12:10.32 | dimir | pandrew: kernel module? Then renice 'init'! :-P j/k |
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| 12:11.03 | pandrew | dimir: doesn't that do any harm? |
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| 12:11.10 | dimir | fusionfox: if the filesystem you are trying to write to is mounted read-only...you know. |
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| 12:11.38 | dimir | pandrew: probably it does. That's why I added j/k, joking, man. :-P |
| 12:11.40 | fusionfox | dimir, oh no i am not trying ot save on a filesystem i am trying to mount one |
| 12:12.00 | pandrew | dimir: sorrry a didn't know that abbreviation |
| 12:12.12 | fusionfox | dimir, modifying the fstab but how do i save the change made on fstab |
| 12:12.12 | pandrew | dimir : can i do anything else? |
| 12:12.29 | liable | grrr, this is pissing me.. |
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| 12:12.37 | Anthro | mutt is telling me "Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.)." when I try to send an email. This is new. Everything was working just fine previously. I haven't even upgraded anything. My MTA is exim4, configured as smarthost. There is nothing in /var/log/exim4/mainlog or /var/log/mail.err to indicate a problem. Help? |
| 12:12.41 | dimir | pandrew, don't know, sorry. |
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| 12:13.09 | dimir | fusionfox, you can't use vim? |
| 12:13.20 | rjalex | bootlogd from the sysvinit package has a bug with a fix. I cannot wait for the "official" fixed package to be released. What is the proper way to dl the source, compile it into a package, and then when the official one comes out install that ? |
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| 12:13.36 | antgel | Anthro: try sending a mail with mail command to verify no exim issue |
| 12:13.41 | fusionfox | dimir, i am using vim to modify the fstab to add a mount partition but how do i save the cahnges mdae to the file? |
| 12:13.42 | dimir | fusionfox, to save date you give ':w' command in vim, in non-edit mode. |
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| 12:14.05 | dimir | fusionfox, use something less-complex, than vim. |
| 12:14.14 | bibe | rjalex : try with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:14.17 | rjalex | fusionfox :x |
| 12:14.18 | dimir | fusionfox, use nano or something. |
| 12:14.26 | Anthro | antgel: Can't send mail: sendmail process failed |
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| 12:14.30 | liable | !irritate me |
| 12:14.32 | dpkg | liable: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd ???/ |
| 12:14.33 | Beik | fusionfox: i know they will burn me for that, but have you tried nano? |
| 12:14.43 | rjalex | bibe: thank you and what about the version number I should use to use the official one afterwards ? |
| 12:14.55 | liable | !start an editor war |
| 12:14.55 | dpkg | pico doesn't deserve to be in debian |
| 12:14.56 | fusionfox | lol nope, someone said he used vim so i tried to use it |
| 12:15.12 | fusionfox | seems easy to sue but i cannot save |
| 12:15.17 | liable | fusionfox: 'vim tutorial' |
| 12:15.30 | rjalex | emacs aficionados have all packed for Gentoo :) :) :) |
| 12:15.35 | Anthro | liable: You mean vimtutor |
| 12:15.36 | fusionfox | >_> liable should i read a tutorial for just saving a change (O_o) |
| 12:15.40 | bibe | rjalex : start with 'apt-get source sysvinit', apply the patch in the smartest way (look in debian/patches, if I remember well) then recompile it |
| 12:15.42 | fusionfox | you guys are cruel =P |
| 12:15.56 | liable | fusionfox: i to edit esc to exit edit mode, shift ZZ to save |
| 12:15.58 | dimir | fusionfox: damn it! press Escape, then semicolon (:), then 'w', then 'q', thenn '!', then Enter. |
| 12:15.58 | rjalex | bibe: thank you very much |
| 12:16.02 | liable | Anthro: same thing |
| 12:16.07 | antgel | Anthro: so you do have an exim issue. if nothing in logs, check disk space :P |
| 12:16.22 | cahoot | dimir: colon - no? |
| 12:16.25 | rjalex | dimir: you wanted to say :x |
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| 12:16.34 | bibe | rjalex : for the version number, what about 2.86.ds1-1.1 (I am running sarge and 2.86.ds1-1 is the current version) |
| 12:16.46 | Anthro | fusionfox: vim is a fantastic editor, but it is not as self-revealing as, say, pico or nano. To learn how to use it, run vimtutor. If you are just trying to get the job done, use nano. |
| 12:16.47 | dimir | rjalex, no. |
| 12:16.56 | fusionfox | aja shift zz worked +P |
| 12:16.59 | fusionfox | others didnt |
| 12:17.18 | rjalex | bibe: my current one is sysvinit 2.86.ds1-2 |
| 12:17.25 | pandrew | fusionfox: mcedit is also a good choice |
| 12:17.31 | dimir | I don't use vi*, but maybe vim acts differently from vi. |
| 12:17.45 | bibe | rjalex : so I think 2.86.ds1-2.1 can be ok, see if dpkg-buildpackage complains |
| 12:17.46 | fusionfox | ill try using mcedit =P |
| 12:17.52 | Anthro | antgel: Nothing in logs, / has 4.5GB available. |
| 12:17.59 | rjalex | dimir: :x = :w :q |
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| 12:18.02 | pandrew | fusionfox: you need the mc package for that |
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| 12:18.09 | fusionfox | XD |
| 12:18.11 | antgel | Anthro: ps ax |grep exim? telnet localhost smtp? |
| 12:18.18 | fusionfox | i already mounted what i wanted =3 hope it works |
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| 12:18.41 | bibe | rjalex : when a new version, say 2.86.ds1-3, will come out, it will replace your patched version. If this is what you expect, obviously |
| 12:18.52 | Anthro | antgel: Exim is running and responds to EHLO on port 25. |
| 12:18.54 | dimir | rjalex: so what, maybe I like to use separate symbols so that I know I write and quit. |
| 12:19.00 | rjalex | bibe: thanks 1000 |
| 12:19.09 | bibe | rjalex : no problem |
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| 12:19.57 | rjalex | dimir:did not mean to teach you anything, as you probably know all,just wanted to point out a simpler thing for fusionfox. strange reaction :) |
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| 12:20.45 | antgel | Anthro: hmm |
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| 12:23.26 | ebw | I know that on console I can get rid of the "beep" by setterm, but this I have to do after every login and in each xterm, |
| 12:23.39 | Guerin | ebw: not if you're smart |
| 12:23.42 | ebw | is there a possibility to get rid of the "beep" at all? |
| 12:23.54 | rjalex | ebw: if you use kde and konsole you can change that in the settings |
| 12:23.54 | liable | bashrc |
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| 12:24.04 | Guerin | rjalex: hahah |
| 12:24.09 | Guerin | ooh, kde is sooo good |
| 12:24.14 | Guerin | you can turn the beep off! |
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| 12:24.29 | ebw | Guerin: Please tell me how. |
| 12:24.31 | bibe | ebw : use .bashrc, or even /etc/profile for all users |
| 12:24.37 | rjalex | guerin: yes it's incredible, you can also turn it on :) |
| 12:24.39 | asperon-work | i am having trouble using pam_mount to mount the users samba shares as $HOME, gdm gives me an error while loading gnome, does anybody know what might be wrong? |
| 12:24.42 | Guerin | unlike other unices, where this has only been possible for about 1/3 of a century |
| 12:24.53 | Guerin | ebw: liable told you |
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| 12:25.01 | antgel | can kde make dinner? |
| 12:25.13 | ebw | bibe: /etc/profiles will work in --nologin shells, like xterm? |
| 12:25.13 | Guerin | if you get kdinner |
| 12:25.20 | liable | !coffee |
| 12:25.20 | dpkg | well, coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 12:25.26 | rjalex | antgel: no kdinner sucks but ksex is wunderbar :) |
| 12:25.29 | Guerin | never add it in /etc/* |
| 12:25.42 | Guerin | ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc |
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| 12:26.25 | antgel | Guerin: but that pulls in libksnack, 200MB :( |
| 12:26.25 | inc|freaky | what is ksex? |
| 12:26.25 | borco | is there a problem with the latest g++ 4.0.2? I get weird "const correctness" errors with code that compiled just fine last week ... |
| 12:26.25 | fs_ | hello, I've been running make-kpkg after changing menuconfig options and some builtin modules are kept being file modules. how can i make make-kpkg see th changed without running 'clean'? |
| 12:26.26 | bibe | ebw : /etc/profile sets global parameters, but as Guerin says, it's better to use files in your /home |
| 12:26.33 | rjalex | inc|freaky: just kidding, ksex does not exist AFAIK ! (fun you immediately ask ! :) :) |
| 12:26.34 | liable | borco: its testing/unstable, what do you expect... |
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| 12:26.44 | inc|freaky | :pü |
| 12:26.47 | inc|freaky | me just wondering ;p |
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| 12:26.54 | borco | liable, is it a known fact? |
| 12:27.03 | borco | liable, the g++ stuff? |
| 12:27.11 | liable | !btssmite borco |
| 12:27.11 | Guerin | antgel: ah, yeah. And they're not even good snacks. Too krunchy. |
| 12:27.26 | Guerin | antgel: better than sgnacks, though |
| 12:27.50 | fs_ | how can make-kpkg see the changed i do with menuconfig after a compile? |
| 12:27.56 | fs_ | s/changes |
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| 12:28.12 | antgel | Guerin: yes, that pulls in the 450MB libliblibliblibghurd |
| 12:28.13 | liable | by running it?.. |
| 12:28.16 | rjalex | fs_ rerun the compile |
| 12:28.38 | antgel | fs_: you need to run clean |
| 12:28.44 | Anthro | antgel: WTF? sendmail is giving me an Illegal instruction error when I try to run it directly. |
| 12:28.49 | fs_ | antgel: recompile everything? o_O |
| 12:29.01 | antgel | fs_: do you even need to build a kernel? |
| 12:29.01 | fs_ | is there another way? |
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| 12:29.07 | fs_ | antgel: yes |
| 12:29.20 | rjalex | fs_ run make_kpkg without make clean before ? |
| 12:29.26 | Guerin | antgel: the first rule of sendmail usage is: thou shalt not run sendmail if thou must ask for help with it |
| 12:29.36 | Guerin | no |
| 12:29.38 | antgel | Anthro: do you have sendmail installed? |
| 12:29.48 | fireba11 | Guerin: haha |
| 12:29.48 | Anthro | antgel: No, it's exim4 running as sendmail. |
| 12:29.51 | Guerin | make clean doesn't touch .config |
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| 12:30.00 | Anthro | antgel: I'm doing an apt-get install --reinstall exim4 now. |
| 12:30.05 | fs_ | rjalex: i did that after changing a module to be built in, and it kept it as a file module |
| 12:30.16 | Anthro | antgel: Maybe I have some sort of disk corruption (which would be a bit worrisome). |
| 12:30.22 | antgel | Anthro: very odd |
| 12:30.23 | Guerin | just copy your config into the right place and go to it |
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| 12:30.28 | antgel | Anthro: *nod* |
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| 12:31.15 | KgB_ | hi |
| 12:31.25 | Anthro | antgel: I actually had a similar issue with vim the other day, and rebooting fixed it. I don't really want to reboot, though. I also don't want stuff to randomly break like that. |
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| 12:31.41 | antgel | Anthro: memtest? fsck? |
| 12:31.42 | pandrew | Mozilla-firefox says the following: |
| 12:31.42 | pandrew | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 12:31.55 | antgel | pandrew: i trust you're not root |
| 12:32.07 | pandrew | XLib: XDM Authorization key matches az existing client |
| 12:32.11 | pandrew | no, not root |
| 12:32.13 | KgB_ | any1 know if the netinstall can be installed on a pentium 100 w/ net eth0 |
| 12:32.28 | Guerin | KgB_: sure |
| 12:32.39 | Anthro | antgel: Since I'm not in front of the machine, I can't do either. And it's a PPC, so memtest86 won't help. |
| 12:32.45 | antgel | pandrew: are you using ssh or anything like that or is this on a local machine? |
| 12:32.57 | pandrew | antgel:local |
| 12:33.11 | KgB_ | Guerin because i got a problem.. i tried that but that failed at 38% |
| 12:33.22 | pandrew | i think that if i change the displaymanager , then this error will go away. |
| 12:33.36 | KgB_ | i did test the cd.. that was good |
| 12:33.48 | fireba11 | KgB_: only problem you could run into is that CD-rom isn't working after booting from it .. had that once. .. |
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| 12:34.43 | KgB_ | fireba11 i booted that for a floppy.. then started the install.. soon i got problems.. |
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| 12:34.56 | KgB_ | i will restart the install again.. |
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| 12:35.04 | fireba11 | KgB_: details of your problems ? |
| 12:35.06 | KgB_ | so i can say what is the problems.. |
| 12:35.33 | KgB_ | i forgot .. i will restart... soon i come back.. |
| 12:35.33 | pandrew | i think that because i remember that i had this error once before too, and after changeing the display manager it worked. i am not sure why. |
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| 12:36.05 | Capkirk | i have merge a bunch of apache logfiles into one now i need a tool that will sort the masterlogfile by date? |
| 12:36.52 | jm_ | Capkirk: you're asking us if you need such a tool? here's the answer - no you don't |
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| 12:37.25 | darkness | Say is the Bluefish editor all part of apache2 becasue it looks a cool editor? |
| 12:37.25 | liberty | what is the correct security update server for sarge (I don't want sid) the security.debian.org website conflicts with my sources.list |
| 12:37.29 | Capkirk | jm_: hmm i do |
| 12:37.31 | snail | Capkirk: sort? |
| 12:37.50 | pandrew | ok, that's strange. i runned mozilla-firefox a couple of times, and it gave the errors. The last time i ran it , it just started without errors. i don't understand, i didn't do anything |
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| 12:38.15 | liberty | and why would my CD have this: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main (note it says unstable) |
| 12:38.25 | digitalnemesis | hi everyone, I just installed debian :) it's great |
| 12:38.32 | fs_ | k, running kernel.org's 'make' and then make-kpkg does it |
| 12:38.36 | fs_ | bye |
| 12:38.43 | Capkirk | snail: yeah i tried that allready but it dosnt work? ive even read the manpage and ran sort with the -n flag but it dosnt seem to work my masterlogfile is still not sorted by date |
| 12:38.49 | bibe | digitalnemesis : yes, we know it's great! :) |
| 12:38.56 | Capkirk | snail: i do cat master.log |sort > new.log |
| 12:39.08 | bibe | digitalnemesis : hope you'll find it greater day by day |
| 12:39.20 | liberty | is sarge unstable? |
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| 12:39.36 | snail | Capkirk: you need to specify whhich columns you want it to sort by |
| 12:39.36 | digitalnemesis | I'm just wondering, does anyone here use webmin? |
| 12:39.43 | Capkirk | snail: ah |
| 12:39.45 | Capkirk | snail: sorry |
| 12:39.45 | joedj | Beik: FWIW, downgrading back to ruby1.8.2 fixed things |
| 12:39.52 | KgB_ | fireba11 ok.. i put the cd.. |
| 12:39.56 | KgB_ | booted |
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| 12:40.07 | KgB_ | fireba11 i will press ENTER.. |
| 12:40.48 | pandrew | liberty : sarge is the latest stable distribution |
| 12:41.16 | digitalnemesis | I installed debian using a version 3.0 cd, how do I update debian? |
| 12:41.25 | digitalnemesis | apt-get update? do I just run that? |
| 12:41.31 | fireba11 | digitalnemesis: udpate to what ? |
| 12:41.38 | digitalnemesis | to version 3.1 |
| 12:41.49 | liberty | so the CD has a bad line in the sources.text then, YES?: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 12:41.51 | jm_ | read 3.1 release notes |
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| 12:41.57 | fireba11 | digitalnemesis: you don't usually |
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| 12:42.21 | KgB_ | it said about.. low memory.. |
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| 12:42.43 | digitalnemesis | Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:42.44 | digitalnemesis | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 12:42.44 | digitalnemesis | is only available from another source |
| 12:42.44 | digitalnemesis | E: Package mysql has no installation candidate |
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| 12:42.52 | jm_ | what an idiot |
| 12:42.59 | digitalnemesis | I run apt-get install mysql but it doesn't work |
| 12:43.06 | jm_ | no, it works just fine |
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| 12:43.26 | liberty | the other thing is that the security.debian.org says security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free and the apt-setup says: security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:43.28 | digitalnemesis | apt-get install mysql-server? |
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| 12:44.02 | jm_ | you mean stable/updates? |
| 12:45.03 | rjalex | What is this msg meaning (both the strange chars and the fact that the file is installed by default): ^[[33m*^[[39;49m /etc/network/options is deprecated |
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| 12:45.03 | liberty | rjalex it's ANSI escape characters |
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| 12:45.08 | rjalex | liberty: thanks ... should I see colors or other effect in the Konsole ? |
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| 12:45.29 | fireba11 | digitalnemesis: you need mysql-common anyway |
| 12:45.29 | digitalnemesis | thanks |
| 12:45.29 | digitalnemesis | what's the package for php5? |
| 12:45.29 | fireba11 | KgB_: so you get a low memory message and installer just quits ? how much ram does your box have ? |
| 12:45.29 | fireba11 | digitalnemesis: as far as i know no php5 for woody yet |
| 12:45.29 | digitalnemesis | thanks |
| 12:45.29 | digitalnemesis | what's the package for php4? |
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| 12:45.49 | liberty | rjalex, depends if you have ANSI support |
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| 12:46.00 | fireba11 | digitalnemesis: if you want it for apache2 f.ex. libabapche2-mod-php4 or something like that |
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| 12:47.04 | digitalnemesis | thanks fireball |
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| 12:48.01 | KgB_ | fireba1l not.. that is continued.. |
| 12:48.03 | KgB_ | fireba11 it have 32 mb RAM |
| 12:48.08 | liberty | I sure could use a 'correct (usa, california)' sources.list for security updates sarge. Any published out there? |
| 12:48.09 | KgB_ | fireba11 now it s making partitions.. |
| 12:48.20 | syntaxx | whats the name of the application that can control font for application desktop window and terminal font? |
| 12:48.25 | fireba11 | KgB_: should be workign, gives a warning about not-much-ram though :-) |
| 12:48.35 | rjalex | what is the consequence of manually installing an unstable package onto etch ? For example I needed sysvinit 2.86.ds1-4 too fix a bootlog bug. Will this version "trickle" into testing or from now on for that package I should track unstable for updates ? |
| 12:48.38 | KgB_ | fireba11 soon it will stop.. i think |
| 12:48.50 | KgB_ | its installing the debian base system |
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| 12:48.58 | EfaistOs | no flashplayer under amd64 ? |
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| 12:49.13 | digitalnemesis | does debian support dual cpus |
| 12:49.13 | KgB_ | i think.. it will get problems at 38%.. |
| 12:49.32 | azeem | digitalnemesis: yes |
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| 12:50.04 | liberty | rjalex, that's exactly what happened to me. I upgraded unstable somehow |
| 12:50.21 | liberty | it broke the crap out of my box, I just now got it back again |
| 12:50.22 | the_cloud_ | can anybody confirm udev + hotplug (+ gnome-volume-manager doing automounts) working out of the box on a current unstable system? |
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| 12:50.58 | liberty | rjalex, I think the default sources.list that comes with the DVD is bad somehow?! |
| 12:51.06 | lognep | hi there ... how do I remove non printable chars in a file? |
| 12:51.07 | rjalex | liberty: good for you. I apparently have problems ONLY with one gcc-4.0-base package ... |
| 12:51.30 | rjalex | liberty: I just used my own sources with etch with the highest pin number |
| 12:51.31 | jm_ | lognep: what kind of unprintable characters? |
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| 12:51.32 | digitalnemesis | how can I tell if apache is started? |
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| 12:51.42 | lognep | jm_: don't know |
| 12:51.46 | Shadur | telnet localhost 80 |
| 12:51.47 | rjalex | digitalnemesis: ps aux |grep http |
| 12:51.50 | Shadur | Or look at the logfiles |
| 12:51.53 | jm_ | lognep: so why bother with it if you don't know? |
| 12:51.54 | Shadur | or netstat. |
| 12:51.55 | the_cloud_ | digitalnemesis: ps ax | grep apache |
| 12:51.55 | Shadur | or... |
| 12:51.57 | lognep | jm_: they can't be displayed |
| 12:52.04 | jm_ | lognep: why not? |
| 12:52.05 | hawkes | digitalnemesis: netstat -tape |
| 12:52.08 | digitalnemesis | root 9751 0.0 0.1 1536 456 pts/0 S+ 13:51 0:00 grep http |
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| 12:52.20 | lognep | jm_: they got displayed with ^@ |
| 12:52.29 | jm_ | lognep: try using col |
| 12:52.33 | liberty | rjalex, good for me... not completely. I have not patched security yet. Because it is NOT clear if it's stable/updates sarge/updates or wtf? |
| 12:52.38 | petemc | isnt ^@ null? |
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| 12:52.50 | jm_ | might be utf8 or somesuch |
| 12:53.08 | tarzeau | from which package comes /usr/bin/rename ? |
| 12:53.10 | Capkirk | howto tell sort that it should sort by date and not number? sort -t ' ' -k 2 master.log will output 01/Jul/2005:10:24:13 just after 01/Sep/2005:10:24:13 ? |
| 12:53.27 | jm_ | although utf8 wouldn't show as such, maybe some windows or wide character thing |
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| 12:53.38 | jm_ | Capkirk: sort can't do that |
| 12:53.40 | rjalex | liberty: afaik security patches are for testing and stable deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 12:53.42 | digitalnemesis | does anyone know which source has php5 in it? |
| 12:53.43 | jm_ | tarzeau: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:53.59 | lognep | jm_: worked great thankz |
| 12:54.00 | rjalex | digitalnemesis: apt-cache search php5 |
| 12:54.16 | Capkirk | jm_: hehe ok then im using the wrong tool |
| 12:54.19 | steigweis | this is annoying: "send to" in the contextmenu of nautilus has evolution as default but i want to send with thunderbird... tb is already my major mailprogram. how can i set it in the nautilusmenu also? |
| 12:54.28 | liberty | tarzeau, hey |
| 12:54.32 | Capkirk | question need a tool that will sort an apache logfile by date |
| 12:54.38 | digitalnemesis | I ran apt-cache search php5 now what? |
| 12:55.06 | jm_ | you can write a simple perl script that can convert date/time string to epoch time number and then sort on that using sort |
| 12:55.15 | KgB_ | fireba11 while its installing its downloading the packages? |
| 12:55.22 | tarzeau | liberty: hey |
| 12:55.29 | the_cloud_ | steigweis: it is a global gnome setting under preferred aplications |
| 12:55.34 | liberty | tarzeau, renameutils |
| 12:55.44 | liberty | what version you run tarzeau |
| 12:55.48 | KgB_ | now installing core packages.. |
| 12:55.56 | fireba11 | KgB_: no .. it's starting apt-get to install security updates when done, but thats mandatory |
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| 12:56.14 | KgB_ | fireba11 hmmm.. |
| 12:56.15 | tarzeau | liberty: it seems to be part of perl? |
| 12:56.19 | liberty | or binutils |
| 12:56.44 | darkness | Anyone here used Bluefish? |
| 12:56.52 | rjalex | failed to mount /selinux <------------ what gives this during boot ? why ? howto avoid ? thanks |
| 12:56.52 | steigweis | the_cloud_: i have already set it untder preferred applications, but no success. try it yourself. that does not work for the nautilus sent to |
| 12:56.56 | tarzeau | dpkg -S /usr/bin/rename doesnt' give me a result |
| 12:56.58 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/rename doesnt' give me a result: Status: install ok installed |
| 12:57.01 | tarzeau | darkness: yes and it sucked |
| 12:57.32 | darkness | tarzeau: Any recommendations? I must say it looked fancy and all but... |
| 12:57.34 | tarzeau | jm_: neither did dpkg search |
| 12:57.39 | tarzeau | who creates /usr/bin/rename ? |
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| 12:57.46 | tarzeau | darkness: i use emacs -nw or mcedit |
| 12:58.08 | liberty | tarzeau, apt-cache search rename |
| 12:58.19 | liberty | renametils |
| 12:58.23 | Guerin | rjalex: close your eyes |
| 12:58.32 | Guerin | rjalex: or turn your monitor off when booting |
| 12:58.43 | linuxg0d | :) |
| 12:58.49 | rjalex | Guerin: if that was my nature I'd be using Windows :) |
| 12:58.55 | tarzeau | liberty: it doesn't give the /usr/bin/rename binary |
| 12:58.57 | petemc | tarzeau: says "perl" created that here |
| 12:59.13 | Guerin | rjalex: no, it's precisely because you're used to windows that an informational message freaks you out |
| 12:59.22 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 12:59.22 | tarzeau | petemc: it doesn't do that here |
| 12:59.22 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 12:59.30 | petemc | tarzeau: you have it installed ok? |
| 12:59.34 | digitalnemesis | what's the command to download a file from a url? |
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| 12:59.42 | tarzeau | petemc: sure. i just guessed so because of the manual page |
| 12:59.45 | liberty | tarzeau, your right.. |
| 12:59.47 | tarzeau | digitalnemesis: curl, wget |
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| 12:59.50 | digitalnemesis | thanks |
| 12:59.51 | the_cloud_ | steigweis: I don't even have a send to context menu in nautilus :) |
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| 12:59.56 | fireba11 | digitalnemesis: wget URL |
| 13:00.02 | steigweis | :/ |
| 13:00.05 | jm_ | tarzeau: yes it does, it finds it just fine |
| 13:00.16 | caphuso | tarzeau: it's created by a postinst, like any other alternative |
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| 13:00.27 | digitalnemesis | thanks |
| 13:00.31 | rjalex | Guerin: not quite ... not freaked out at all . just would like to understand what init script (grepped without luck) or other process is attempting to use selinux . |
| 13:00.31 | tarzeau | jm_: what version of dpkg do you have? |
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| 13:00.34 | digitalnemesis | how do I specify the dir to download to |
| 13:00.37 | the_cloud_ | steigweis: what nautilus version do you have? |
| 13:00.49 | steigweis | the gnome 2.10 |
| 13:00.51 | petemc | digitalnemesis: it will go to pwd |
| 13:00.52 | tarzeau | digitalnemesis: cd /the/dir |
| 13:00.59 | jm_ | tarzeau: Sarge |
| 13:01.00 | the_cloud_ | steigweis: me too |
| 13:01.12 | steigweis | you have to ricghtclick a file |
| 13:01.20 | steigweis | then send to !? |
| 13:01.37 | the_cloud_ | steigweis, nope no such context menu |
| 13:01.41 | steigweis | mhh |
| 13:01.48 | steigweis | ok, odd |
| 13:01.50 | the_cloud_ | steigweis, nautilus version 2.20.1 |
| 13:01.57 | the_cloud_ | 2.10.1 |
| 13:01.59 | fireba11 | !tell digitalnemesis to RTFM |
| 13:02.08 | steigweis | Nautilus 2.10.0 |
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| 13:02.29 | OliverGTK | somebody use Main Actor for Debian Sarge 3.1r0a ? |
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| 13:04.00 | steigweis | the_cloud_: why do you have 2.20 an i 2.10, when we got the same gnomeversion? |
| 13:05.07 | KgB_ | fireba11 how many Mbs have the debian after installed for netinstall? the base ... |
| 13:05.09 | liberty | my kingdom for a peek at a stock sarge sources.list |
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| 13:06.10 | liberty | I man apt-get, apt-setup etc, etc, read the debian.security.org website and everything I read and see conflicts |
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| 13:06.40 | petemc | liberty: huh? |
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| 13:07.01 | KgB_ | conflicts where? |
| 13:07.07 | liberty | a stock DVD (sarge) has bad sources.list |
| 13:07.13 | jm_ | no it doesn't |
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| 13:07.26 | mrec | has anyone in here a usb webcam/analog tv video device which is currently not supported in linux? |
| 13:07.26 | antgel | liberty: paste yours in a pastebin please |
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| 13:08.07 | the_cloud_ | steigweis, 2.20 was a typo! |
| 13:08.21 | steigweis | k |
| 13:08.55 | the_cloud_ | steigweis, but my 2.10.1 version has no sen to context menu either |
| 13:09.24 | liberty | wtf is a pastebin? deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main |
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| 13:09.56 | KgB_ | the error |
| 13:10.12 | the_cloud_ | liberty, pastbin should be used for longer outputs to ceep channels clean |
| 13:10.20 | KgB_ | any1 here already got this error:? |
| 13:10.21 | liberty | sarge/updates vs. stable/updates |
| 13:10.31 | liberty | ahh, like #flood |
| 13:10.52 | KgB_ | the debootstrap program exited with an error(return value 1). |
| 13:11.27 | KgB_ | check /var/log/messages or see virtual console 3 for the details. |
| 13:11.38 | antgel | liberty: /topic |
| 13:11.50 | KgB_ | any1 know whats that? |
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| 13:12.11 | liberty | yeah the non-us is another Conflicting thing |
| 13:12.11 | KgB_ | how i can install the debian.. always i get that error... |
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| 13:12.44 | fireba11 | KgB_: try to boot with knoppix or so and check that log ? |
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| 13:12.55 | antgel | KgB_: alt-f3 will show you virtual console 3 |
| 13:12.56 | liberty | I think I understand the non us thing though, but stable vs sarge that I am not clear on and why did the DVD say unstable? |
| 13:13.06 | ctr | hi, can anyone tell me why this doesn't work: '$ LANG=sv mutt' |
| 13:13.16 | markus | Hi. How do I verify all installed packets, if all files are unharmed? I have a lot of stuff in /lost+found and want to reinstall the harmed packages. dpgk -C | wc -l is 0 |
| 13:13.17 | KgB_ | i will see at virtual 3.. |
| 13:13.29 | markus | ctr: maybe you have LANGUAGES set |
| 13:13.42 | antgel | liberty: i know woody cd's used to say unstable. long time since i've tried a cd install so don't know if that was still fixed |
| 13:13.43 | the_cloud_ | has anybody experinces with udev hotplug and gnome-volume-manager in unstable? |
| 13:13.47 | markus | ctr: or you don't have the sv locale installed |
| 13:13.54 | KgB_ | umount: /target/dev/pts: Invalid Argument |
| 13:14.00 | KgB_ | umount: /target/dev/shm: Invalid Argument |
| 13:14.06 | karl_ | how can I install eclipse on sarge |
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| 13:14.14 | KgB_ | umount: /target/proc/bus/usb: Invalid Argument |
| 13:14.16 | ctr | hmm, I am in the sv directory now |
| 13:14.31 | markus | ctr: locale -a |
| 13:14.49 | the_cloud_ | karl_, you have jdk ready? install eclipse in /usr/local |
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| 13:15.00 | KgB_ | errors were encontered while processing: |
| 13:15.04 | liberty | antgel, all I know is it totally hosed me. Rght now the box is perfect, it compiles everything, but it aint updated, it's just hidden behind a firewall |
| 13:15.30 | karl_ | the_cloud_: There must debs somwhere already |
| 13:15.31 | liberty | I don't dare update it until I solve this sarge update sources.list |
| 13:15.40 | KgB_ | exim4-config, exim4-base, exim4-daemon-light, at, exim4, mailx |
| 13:16.14 | KgB_ | the errors are that.. |
| 13:16.16 | the_cloud_ | karl_, i don't know of debs for current eclipse version |
| 13:16.29 | KgB_ | what i do now? i must stop the install? |
| 13:17.20 | fireba11 | KgB_: hm .. those are packages that filed to install .. doesn't it give any reason why they failed ? |
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| 13:18.05 | KgB_ | fireba11 just stop the install.. |
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| 13:18.28 | KgB_ | then i can press Go Back or Contibue |
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| 13:18.54 | KgB_ | but if i continue it will give another error 1% after.. |
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| 13:19.18 | KgB_ | i did test the CD.. its ok; |
| 13:19.38 | KgB_ | fireba11 what i do now? |
| 13:19.59 | fireba11 | how much HD does that box have anyway ? |
| 13:20.06 | KgB_ | 1.5Gb |
| 13:20.27 | fireba11 | how are the partitions set up ` |
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| 13:20.53 | fireba11 | could be you ended up with 1 GB swap and only 500 MB for / or so |
| 13:21.03 | KgB_ | 1.5Gb EXT3, 90Mb sawp |
| 13:21.07 | KgB_ | swap** |
| 13:21.14 | fireba11 | ah okay |
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| 13:21.29 | KgB_ | i did df -h.. |
| 13:21.34 | KgB_ | look: |
| 13:21.35 | Nomad_ | better |
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| 13:21.43 | Wanderer | looks like a Freenode ipv6 server is down |
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| 13:21.53 | Wanderer | now to see if I can get irssi to load my icb |
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| 13:22.32 | KgB_ | size 1.3gb used 122.6mb available 1.1Gb use% 10% /target |
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| 13:22.53 | jethro | hello |
| 13:23.00 | KgB_ | jethro ji |
| 13:23.03 | KgB_ | hi** |
| 13:23.05 | fireba11 | hm .. fishy |
| 13:23.36 | KgB_ | fireba11 its hard... i donk know what to do |
| 13:23.58 | fireba11 | don't know either .. you tired to google for it ? |
| 13:24.01 | liberty | tarzeau, isn't rename (rn) part of the base install? |
| 13:24.10 | KgB_ | fireba11 not yet.. |
| 13:24.13 | ctr | ok, in this install for debian, the system is setting a LANGUAGE environment variable that is screwing things up, where does this originate, how can I change it to what I want ? |
| 13:24.17 | tarzeau | liberty: possibly, but dpkg should tell me of which package it is |
| 13:24.22 | KgB_ | fireba11 what to try? all that errors? |
| 13:24.23 | tarzeau | using dpkg -S /path/to/binary |
| 13:24.28 | tarzeau | (or /file) |
| 13:24.29 | caphuso | tarzeau: it doesn't belong to a package |
| 13:24.38 | liberty | yeah but i can see getting a lot of hits "rn" |
| 13:24.57 | fireba11 | KgB_: no .. those are only the packages where isntall failed .. reason must be something else |
| 13:25.04 | fireba11 | try installer fails or so |
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| 13:26.01 | jethro | caphuso: on my system it belongs to perl (tking about rename) |
| 13:26.10 | caphuso | jethro: you're not using unstable, unlike tarzeau |
| 13:26.10 | jethro | err I misread, nevermind :) |
| 13:26.24 | jethro | caphuso: yes I am, and I read rename where it 's prename |
| 13:26.29 | caphuso | jethro: duh :) |
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| 13:26.35 | jethro | hence the nevermind :p |
| 13:26.55 | jm_ | so it has been renamed, and rename is just there to keep users happy? |
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| 13:27.09 | liberty | tarzeau, /usr/bin/rename |
| 13:27.19 | caphuso | jm_: bug #304705 |
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| 13:27.33 | Nomad_ | blah... |
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| 13:27.43 | aimtrainer | hi! I got a problem. I want to install cdemu, a kernel module for mounting bin/cue-images on a mepis system, but I don't understand the installation instructions. They're in English and I'm German and I'm a bloody beginner, which makes it kind of hard for me. Instructions: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/INSTALL.cdemu-0.6.txt It would be really cool if anybody could explain theese steps to me. THX |
| 13:27.48 | Nomad_ | back to #irssi.... |
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| 13:28.02 | antgel | KgB_: is this a sarge cd? known good cd-rom and hard drives? |
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| 13:28.23 | jm_ | ohh heh, how annoying ;) |
| 13:28.47 | liberty | 0aeadea2d394a8cb2727091991019098 /usr/bin/rename (md5sum) |
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| 13:29.45 | liberty | tarzeau, I get the same perl: thing |
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| 13:29.56 | KgB_ | antgel this is a old pc.. old hard drives |
| 13:30.35 | jm_ | ahh it's an alternative now |
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| 13:31.05 | the_cloud_ | is there any description of the "debian unstable way" how usb-storage devices should function with an up to date system? |
| 13:31.17 | antgel | KgB_: and the cd-rom drive? |
| 13:31.28 | KgB_ | antgel 8x |
| 13:31.33 | jm_ | the_cloud_: what does unstable got to do with USB storage devices? |
| 13:31.36 | antgel | KgB_: i mean is it old? |
| 13:32.02 | Mortalman | I'm trying to use samba as a PDC and I'm getting "Access is denied" when attempting to join the domain. I'm new to this and I'm not sure I have my users set up correctly. What should I be doing for each user and PC to add them to samba? |
| 13:32.05 | KgB_ | antgel yes.. its old.. 8x speed.. |
| 13:32.17 | antgel | KgB_: i would try another cd-rom drive, followed by a test on the hard drive. it's probably hardware-related |
| 13:32.20 | KgB_ | antgel but i think its working good.. |
| 13:32.27 | antgel | KgB_: why? |
| 13:32.47 | KgB_ | antgel its installed slackware without problems.. |
| 13:32.55 | KgB_ | various times.. |
| 13:33.45 | antgel | KgB_: when was the last time? in any case, try what i said ^^^ |
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| 13:34.27 | KgB_ | antgel k i will try another cdrom drive.. |
| 13:34.31 | the_cloud_ | jm_, to me it seems unstable is going into a ubuntu like direction when it comes to automatically handling of hotpluged devices e.g.usb-storage, but every howto tells me to edit some config files of udev and hotplug - but i think i only brake them by editing, because they are set up to work out of the box |
| 13:35.13 | jm_ | the_cloud_: ohh, I don't use udev or GNOME - there's also usb-mount if you want it |
| 13:35.30 | jm_ | usbmount is the package name, not usb-mount |
| 13:35.46 | the_cloud_ | i don't want to use usbmount |
| 13:35.54 | jm_ | right |
| 13:36.06 | the_cloud_ | i want to use gnome-volume-manager |
| 13:37.14 | the_cloud_ | but therefor i need a working udev+hotplug+?? setup which unstable shoul actually provide me out of the box if i understand docs and scripts correctly |
| 13:37.45 | jm_ | good luck ;) |
| 13:37.51 | the_cloud_ | but that is not the case on my system |
| 13:38.05 | the_cloud_ | :) *grr* |
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| 13:38.57 | Tolimar | $ ls .irssi/scripts/autorun/| wc -l |
| 13:38.57 | Tolimar | 8 |
| 13:39.01 | KgB_ | antgel i think its not the CDrom drive.. |
| 13:39.05 | the_cloud_ | so i am lokking for some place which documents such a "default" setup "the debian way" |
| 13:39.06 | Tolimar | Ups, sorry. |
| 13:39.23 | KgB_ | because im checking the CD rom integrity |
| 13:39.31 | KgB_ | i havent problems.. |
| 13:39.51 | KgB_ | it check all files.. |
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| 13:40.57 | antgel | KgB_: fine. what about the hard drive? load knoppix and run badblocks. how much ram does this box have? |
| 13:40.59 | pandrew | When i install the quake2-data package, it asks where it should download the level files from. I selected the last mirror, and it didn't work.The problem is that it won't ask again, even if removed, and reinstalled. Where can i find these settings? |
| 13:41.07 | KgB_ | if it can check all.. then both are ok.. |
| 13:41.19 | pandrew | dpkg-reconfigure doesnt work. |
| 13:41.22 | KgB_ | antgel 32mb RAM |
| 13:41.37 | pandrew | (for that package) |
| 13:41.47 | jm_ | pandrew: check its postinst script if it's not a config script |
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| 13:42.17 | pandrew | jm_ : where? |
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| 13:42.40 | jm_ | pandrew: the same standard /var/lib/dpkg/info dir |
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| 13:44.28 | liberty | tarzeau, my rename s a perl script |
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| 13:45.09 | liberty | tarzeau, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=304705 |
| 13:45.33 | liberty | tarzeau, don't know if that helps ya. |
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| 13:46.25 | nibel | hi |
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| 13:46.43 | nibel | i've got a tricky problem with the nvidia drivers |
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| 13:46.59 | tarzeau | liberty: nah it's fine |
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| 13:54.16 | KgB_ | well.. i think only slackware support my pentium 100 |
| 13:54.54 | antgel | KgB_: did you bother to try another cd-rom drive or test your hard disk? |
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| 13:56.43 | Noid | is there a IM client with videochat support? |
| 13:57.23 | KgB_ | antgel i did test the cdrom.. |
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| 13:57.34 | KgB_ | antgel but i havent another hd[ |
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| 13:58.17 | antgel | KgB_: well i would look at that before anything else |
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| 13:58.49 | MorbispaloozA | HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP |
| 13:58.52 | MorbispaloozA | :( |
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| 13:59.23 | darkness | Hi guys, i've used the cmd adduser in sarge to create a user to connect using ssh.Yet they say there is no home dir? |
| 13:59.32 | MorbispaloozA | How do I upgrade? |
| 13:59.54 | terje` | MorbispaloozA, upgrade what? |
| 14:00.04 | MorbispaloozA | debian |
| 14:00.08 | terje` | duhu |
| 14:00.15 | terje` | but just the installed software? |
| 14:00.22 | terje` | or to testing |
| 14:00.24 | terje` | or what? |
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| 14:00.49 | MorbispaloozA | well I am new to linux and my xine will not play dvd's |
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| 14:01.39 | MorbispaloozA | every time I apt-get upgrade I get an error |
| 14:01.49 | terje` | wich error? |
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| 14:02.00 | MorbispaloozA | one sec ill tell ya |
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| 14:02.36 | antgel | MorbispaloozA: if you are new to linux why aren't you running stable? |
| 14:02.52 | MorbispaloozA | I thought i was |
| 14:02.55 | MorbispaloozA | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 14:02.56 | MorbispaloozA | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 14:02.58 | MorbispaloozA | E: Error occured while processing skribe-examples (NewVersion2) |
| 14:02.59 | MorbispaloozA | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 14:03.01 | MorbispaloozA | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 14:03.20 | MorbispaloozA | I just want to watch dvd's |
| 14:03.31 | Beik | MorbispaloozA: Don't flood! |
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| 14:03.37 | MorbispaloozA | sorry |
| 14:03.40 | MorbispaloozA | :( |
| 14:03.41 | antgel | MorbispaloozA: cat /etc/apt/sources.list. paste it somewhere please |
| 14:03.56 | Beik | . |
| 14:04.14 | Blaamann | MorbispaloozA: http://pastebin.com |
| 14:04.22 | kimo | MorbispaloozA, if you're a newbie and you just want to watch DVDs, then may be just may be debian isnt for you (suse? knoppix? ...) |
| 14:04.44 | MorbispaloozA | I am on knoppix |
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| 14:04.51 | pngwn | heh |
| 14:04.57 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 14:05.02 | terje` | omg :p |
| 14:05.05 | coywolf | how to find all broken symlinks? with find possible |
| 14:05.07 | MorbispaloozA | but xine will not play them |
| 14:05.47 | MorbispaloozA | :( |
| 14:06.01 | kimo | MorbispaloozA, install mplayer ? |
| 14:06.04 | liberty | MorbispaloozA, try mplayer, your probably missing codecs |
| 14:06.22 | MorbidpaloozA | I tryed and got a BUT load of errors |
| 14:06.33 | Blaamann | or libdvdcss ? |
| 14:07.30 | MorbidpaloozA | looking at libdvdcss now |
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| 14:09.34 | Zrin | how can I add a PPD (driver) to fresh installed CUPS? I want to print from XP clients... |
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| 14:09.58 | MorbidpaloozA | May I ask another dumb question? |
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| 14:10.32 | Blaamann | Do not ask to ask |
| 14:10.52 | jimjam | just keep asking questions when people stop answering you have gone too far haha :) |
| 14:10.56 | scompany | Anyone from Croatia? There is a great new site about programming! |
| 14:11.55 | MorbidpaloozA | What is the best live cd? |
| 14:12.02 | scompany | Knoppx! |
| 14:12.02 | dimir | Knoppix! |
| 14:12.04 | dimir | :-P |
| 14:12.08 | scompany | :) |
| 14:12.11 | coywolf | waht's the default runlevel in debian? 2 or 3? |
| 14:12.12 | guven | MorbidpaloozA: elive |
| 14:12.17 | dimir | coywolf: 2 |
| 14:12.23 | jethro | what is the worst possible poll? |
| 14:12.27 | dimir | damn, colon |
| 14:12.36 | dimir | :-P |
| 14:13.08 | kimo | jethro, which hole to do u enjoy sticking in |
| 14:13.12 | coywolf | dimir, runlevel 2 supports network too? when is 3 used? not used usallay? |
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| 14:13.30 | Zrin | hey, how can I add a PPD (driver) to fresh installed CUPS? I want to print from XP clients... (any HOWTO?) |
| 14:13.40 | jethro | kimo: I didn't expect an answer, but thanks |
| 14:13.51 | kimo | :) |
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| 14:14.10 | kimo | Zrin, I just did that |
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| 14:14.17 | MorbidpaloozA | also I can not get ANY dvd rippers to install |
| 14:14.39 | Zrin | kimo added a .ppd to CUPS? |
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| 14:14.42 | drac | Knoppix fails as RescueCD, and as LiveCD as it doesn't even have support for new intel graphics cards (i915) or default Realtek 8139 ethernet cards (badly configured kernel, no 8139cp or twister) .. </fact> |
| 14:14.55 | kimo | Zrin, if u can print from the cups machine, then just adjust windows to print to \\http://machine:631/printers/printername |
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| 14:15.19 | kimo | Zrin, u can get printer name from cups admin page (I think localhost:10000 or something |
| 14:15.27 | coywolf | !runlevel |
| 14:15.27 | dpkg | hmm... runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 14:15.32 | Zrin | kimo: cups machine is just a server without X or desktop or anything |
| 14:15.38 | coywolf | !runlevels |
| 14:15.38 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 14:15.56 | kimo | Zrin, so what |
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| 14:16.09 | MorbidpaloozA | I hope I am not bothering you all with my questions |
| 14:16.15 | Zrin | kimo: the printer is not yet installed with cups, I don't know where to put the ppd file / the driver(s) |
| 14:16.16 | dimir | coywolf, you can set it up as you need. By default 'networking' is included in 2 level. For example, I changed graphical mode to be the 3rd so that I have 2nd as text. |
| 14:16.41 | kimo | Zrin, I think installing foomatic installed tons of drivers for me and it worked |
| 14:16.54 | Estes2 | debian is using sysV or BSD ? i ask this because i thought RH and debian were different on this point and someone told me RH is using sysV.... |
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| 14:17.17 | dimir | coywolf: install 'sysvconfig' or similar package to configure system V init. |
| 14:17.33 | Zrin | kimo: the manual says how to add win* drivers, but it uses just one directory for any/all drivers, that confuses me |
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| 14:17.59 | coywolf | dimir, where calls /etc/init.d/networking ? |
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| 14:18.12 | Zrin | kimo: so, I should choose just any driver dor the printer and not bother with the .ppd file? |
| 14:18.18 | MorbidpaloozA | what is the easyist dvd ripper to install and use? |
| 14:18.25 | dimir | coywolf: yes. |
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| 14:18.30 | coywolf | dimir, my ppoe doesnt up now after boot, but i have the interface ok, i never touch it, it worked before |
| 14:18.46 | kimo | Zrin, yeah probably, just get it printing from the cups machine first, then it's easy to make windows use that as an internet printer |
| 14:18.51 | Zrin | kimo: I have Kyocera Mita FS-1900 and a .ppd file for it |
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| 14:18.57 | dimir | coywolf: if you start it manually - it goes up? |
| 14:19.06 | kimo | Zrin, sorry I didnt have to deal with ppds |
| 14:19.20 | Zrin | kimo: thank you I'll try that |
| 14:19.24 | coywolf | dimir, i manaully run pon |
| 14:19.32 | loxen | hello, i have a question about changing from lilo to grub.. what do i need to do to start using grub? |
| 14:19.40 | ix | grub |
| 14:19.44 | antgel | loxen: install it and read the docs |
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| 14:19.48 | coywolf | dimir, where calls /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 14:19.52 | coywolf | dimir, where calls /etc/init.d/networking ? what script? |
| 14:20.12 | dimir | coywolf: well, install that 'sysvconfig' and run it. You will see nice interface to configure services to start at runlevels. |
| 14:20.19 | antgel | coywolf: why don't you read the README as advised? |
| 14:20.22 | dimir | coywolf: it is called by init. |
| 14:20.35 | coywolf | antgel, what readme? |
| 14:20.43 | coywolf | antgel, in which pkg? |
| 14:20.51 | MorbidpaloozA | what is the easyist dvd ripper to install and use? |
| 14:20.57 | loxen | antgel: yep, that sounds like a good idea, but iam afraid to mess up my mbr (which is on hdb7) |
| 14:21.08 | coywolf | dimir, init calls networking? |
| 14:21.08 | ix | your mbr cant be on a partition |
| 14:21.24 | dimir | coywolf: calls that script, yes. |
| 14:21.25 | antgel | loxen: then backup your mbr |
| 14:21.28 | loxen | oops, ment my root partition, afraid to mess it up |
| 14:21.39 | coywolf | dimir, i dont' think so |
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| 14:21.43 | dimir | hehe |
| 14:21.44 | ix | as antgel says, back it up :) |
| 14:21.47 | dimir | whatever. |
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| 14:22.48 | loxen | antgel: dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1 ok? |
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| 14:23.03 | MorbidpaloozA | has anyone got GTA 3 to work in wine? |
| 14:23.21 | antgel | loxen: if it's 512 bytes long, looks good :) |
| 14:23.32 | dimir | coywolf: do you have that link: /etc/rcS.d/S40networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 14:23.35 | liberty | MorbidpaloozA, sounds like you need TWO boxes, a winXP and a Linux |
| 14:23.37 | loxen | antgel: ok, thanks for the help :) |
| 14:23.42 | MorbidpaloozA | lolol |
| 14:24.03 | MorbidpaloozA | I have 2 but BILL GATES AND SUCK MY D&$K |
| 14:24.09 | liberty | MorbidpaloozA, use what works. |
| 14:24.15 | coywolf | dimir, that's it, you find it. :) |
| 14:24.35 | dimir | coywolf: what? |
| 14:24.40 | MorbidpaloozA | I hate windows that's why I am learning linux |
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| 14:24.55 | Niriven | hmm |
| 14:24.59 | Niriven | dont goto linux because you hate windows |
| 14:25.15 | antgel | Niriven: why not? |
| 14:25.18 | MorbidpaloozA | plus I like learning new things |
| 14:25.21 | Niriven | because windows is fine |
| 14:25.29 | drac | Niriven: hahah |
| 14:25.32 | antgel | more to the point, why does my MorbidpaloozA /ig not work? :( |
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| 14:25.37 | MorbidpaloozA | poo poo on Microsoft |
| 14:25.39 | micro^usta | hello again |
| 14:25.46 | Niriven | Whats wrong with windows? |
| 14:25.52 | liberty | Exactly, windows has it's place. |
| 14:25.58 | AzMoo | Niriven, it costs too much. |
| 14:26.08 | liberty | Figure out what your using the box for. |
| 14:26.08 | Niriven | Besides the cost, whats wrong with it? |
| 14:26.10 | MorbidpaloozA | good point AZ |
| 14:26.12 | fireba11 | Niriven: let me see .. it's bloated spyware that costs money ? |
| 14:26.13 | fusero | is PHP5 included in sid? |
| 14:26.18 | antgel | Niriven: you have to click about to do simple shit |
| 14:26.39 | guven | hi microsys |
| 14:26.40 | stuarta | my favourite is 20 reboots to an upgrade |
| 14:26.45 | antgel | fusero: p.d.o? |
| 14:26.53 | fireba11 | Niriven: also, you're not really in control of your own system |
| 14:26.55 | MorbidpaloozA | is freshmeat the only place to find stuff? |
| 14:27.01 | AzMoo | Yeah, I'm not big on the whole rebooting thing either. |
| 14:27.07 | liberty | ex: I use windows to make my TV show, cinelerra is cool but won't cut it (stability wise) |
| 14:27.14 | Niriven | Funny how people who use linux still reboot like idiots, though, isnt it? |
| 14:27.17 | microsys | Alsa stresses again, i have to run alsaplayer before being able to run music with xmms. Is there a workaround? |
| 14:27.38 | liberty | Although cinelerra + kino makes linux more stable |
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| 14:27.51 | liberty | anyway... |
| 14:27.54 | microsys | at least openoffice keeps running and stopped crashing *G* |
| 14:28.08 | MorbidpaloozA | I also want to convert my whole website to PHP but I think it's toooooooo BIG |
| 14:28.25 | AzMoo | MorbidpaloozA, how big is your website? |
| 14:28.36 | MorbidpaloozA | BIG 600 megs |
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| 14:28.48 | AzMoo | 600MB of what? |
| 14:28.52 | loxen | hmmmz.. loads of pron pics :) |
| 14:29.03 | MorbidpaloozA | images,database,members |
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| 14:29.22 | AzMoo | Wjat |
| 14:29.24 | liberty | a pr0n CD |
| 14:29.26 | MorbidpaloozA | a small part of my site is porn |
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| 14:29.30 | liberty | j/k btw |
| 14:29.35 | MorbidpaloozA | very small |
| 14:29.41 | AzMoo | What are you using for it at the moment? asp? |
| 14:29.46 | MorbidpaloozA | yes |
| 14:29.47 | fireba11 | now what the hell should mean "convert my site to php" ?there is no such thing |
| 14:30.05 | MorbidpaloozA | I like php forumz better |
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| 14:30.11 | AzMoo | Well, then it's just a matter of re-writing the code. The data wont make a difference. |
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| 14:30.19 | liberty | rename *.htm *.php && echo DONE! |
| 14:30.27 | MorbidpaloozA | no no no |
| 14:30.34 | fireba11 | argh ... can you guys please stop messing terms up ? |
| 14:30.39 | MorbidpaloozA | it's an asp forum |
| 14:31.00 | fireba11 | MorbidpaloozA: ah, so you want asp > php ... now we're getting somewhere |
| 14:31.07 | MorbidpaloozA | yes |
| 14:31.10 | MorbidpaloozA | :) |
| 14:31.33 | MorbidpaloozA | google my name and you can see the site |
| 14:31.38 | fireba11 | MorbidpaloozA: then i congratulate you to your wise desicion and wish you good luck :-D |
| 14:31.41 | MorbidpaloozA | dont hate me |
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| 14:32.07 | MorbidpaloozA | my site is all about the truth of the world |
| 14:32.13 | patxi | :/ |
| 14:32.26 | MorbidpaloozA | not what the media tells us but THE TRUTH |
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| 14:32.42 | js_ | haha |
| 14:33.08 | tarzeau | MorbidpaloozA: which country? |
| 14:33.10 | guven | omg |
| 14:33.21 | MorbidpaloozA | I also would love it if I could host it on my linux box |
| 14:33.30 | Anthro | antgel: I figured out my problem. DMA was defaulting to being on and was corrupting my filesystem. Yes, DMA should work. No, it doesn't. It may be a hardware problem. I will be migrating my server off this machine as soon as I can anyway. |
| 14:33.33 | MorbidpaloozA | US |
| 14:33.39 | MorbidpaloozA | all countrys |
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| 14:33.50 | AzMoo | Dear God. While you're converting to use php I'd suggest you look at some web standards. http://www.w3.org/ |
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| 14:34.05 | tarzeau | MorbidpaloozA: you know, not all media brings stories like "kitten rescued from top of tree", like in US |
| 14:34.06 | antgel | Anthro: i would |
| 14:34.32 | tarzeau | MorbidpaloozA: it's countries really... english is your native language? |
| 14:34.33 | liberty | tarzeau, man I hear ya there bro |
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| 14:34.34 | Anthro | antgel: It works fine under MacOS X. I migrated onto it when the previous PPC server I was using melted down. |
| 14:34.39 | MorbidpaloozA | MY SITE is hardcore truth |
| 14:34.41 | tarzeau | liberty: US must suck badly |
| 14:34.52 | tarzeau | MorbidpaloozA: what's the url to your site? |
| 14:35.04 | liberty | tarzeau, I *hate* our damn crap, the only thing left is public access |
| 14:35.12 | MorbidpaloozA | can i post it in here? with out getting kicked |
| 14:35.13 | Beik | MorbidpaloozA: what's the truth? |
| 14:35.23 | MorbidpaloozA | www.morbidpalooza.com |
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| 14:35.39 | tarzeau | MorbidpaloozA: and where's the porn? |
| 14:35.44 | MorbidpaloozA | lol\ |
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| 14:35.54 | Zrin | kimo: I found out, ppd files go to /usr/share/cups/model |
| 14:35.55 | MorbidpaloozA | pm me on there and ill hook ya up |
| 14:36.08 | liberty | apt-get install p0rn |
| 14:36.14 | MorbidpaloozA | lolol |
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| 14:36.47 | Anthro | liberty: That won't work. You misspelled the pr0n package. |
| 14:37.00 | Beik | MorbidpaloozA: ok. I see the truth ... /ignore MorbidpaloozA |
| 14:37.12 | MorbidpaloozA | sorry |
| 14:37.17 | MorbidpaloozA | you saked |
| 14:37.25 | Anthro | liberty: Also, pr0n is just something that goes in the provides line. There are really localized versions, like pr0n-en-us |
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| 14:37.43 | antgel | pr0n-d0nkey |
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| 14:38.09 | liberty | Anthro, I dunno, I only learned it from tarzeau's site |
| 14:39.21 | MorbidpaloozA | I guess I pissed everyone off |
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| 14:40.32 | liberty | MorbidpaloozA, they're mirroring your hidden dir's ;o) Relax |
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| 14:43.05 | de_mon | whats that website that shows the internets 'health' by way of router statistics |
| 14:43.24 | liberty | netcraft |
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| 14:43.57 | liberty | oh my head hurts like hell |
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| 14:44.44 | AzMoo | What'd you do to it? |
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| 14:46.24 | de_mon | oh hell. I can't even get to earthlinks support page. |
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| 14:47.49 | Zitter | hi, I read in http://www.besy.co.uk/projects/debian/sarge_mail_server_howto2.htm that maildrop deb pkg "because the neither of the Debian packages have support for both mySQL and the Maildir++ quota extension built in." |
| 14:48.09 | Zitter | is this true, today? i have to install it from source? |
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| 14:48.46 | NOthsouth | hello, how can I load some apache2 module? |
| 14:49.02 | caphuso | NOthsouth: a2enmod modulename; /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload |
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| 14:49.27 | NOthsouth | caphuso, thx dude |
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| 14:53.02 | niklas_ | hmm how will i do so thinks start @ boot time |
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| 14:55.19 | DogWater | Does anyone know why SE7520BD2 Intel motherboard wont work with Debian 3.1? It doesnt detect the cdrom drive? |
| 14:55.21 | microsys | is there a solution to alsaproblem, i have to run alsaplayer, before being able to use xmms for playing soundfiles? |
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| 14:55.27 | DogWater | I assume its probably the IDE chipset |
| 14:55.29 | ales | i am missing /usr/bin/env can i reinstall whole coreutils ? |
| 14:55.30 | en1gma | hey guys wuzzup: i have an nforce2 mboard and use the onboard sound and i need to know what i have to check on in menuconfig to use the sound. so far i am upto: '/sound card support/open sound system/open sound system modules/ and right here i dont know what to pick next |
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| 14:55.41 | DrPete | anyone know a free secondary dns service? |
| 14:55.54 | Guerin | en1gma: use a debian kernel |
| 14:56.00 | Guerin | DrPete: 4.2.2.1-6 |
| 14:56.09 | en1gma | you mena binary? |
| 14:56.14 | Guerin | en1gma: yes. |
| 14:56.14 | en1gma | mean* |
| 14:56.20 | en1gma | im running 2.6.13.3 |
| 14:56.29 | Guerin | en1gma: that's not a debian kernel. |
| 14:56.38 | en1gma | i have to use that kernel for my pda |
| 14:56.44 | en1gma | i use my pda as a modme |
| 14:56.50 | Guerin | oh god |
| 14:56.56 | en1gma | so i still need to know what i have to check on |
| 14:56.57 | Guerin | doesn't have a real sound card |
| 14:57.04 | Guerin | or a real modem |
| 14:57.08 | en1gma | :) |
| 14:57.15 | Beik | DrPete: freedns.afraid.org |
| 14:57.21 | en1gma | but i am connected to net FINALLY :) |
| 14:57.40 | en1gma | wireless broadband |
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| 14:57.55 | steigweis | why cant i burn 8X with gnomebaker? could it have something to do with the dvd-r discs? (with windows/nero it works 8x) |
| 14:57.58 | niklas_ | hmm how will i do so thinks start @ boot time |
| 14:58.07 | en1gma | so you think someone can tell me what kernel option i need to check on for this onboard sound on this mboard |
| 14:58.12 | DogWater | anyone know of a way to get this thing to work? |
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| 14:58.26 | Guerin | en1gma: what chipset does it use? |
| 14:58.27 | en1gma | btw my sound chip uses optical out and is as good if not better then an audigy2 |
| 14:58.30 | en1gma | nforce2 |
| 14:58.30 | DrPete | Beik: thank, i will check it out |
| 14:58.42 | Guerin | nforce2 is not an audio chipset |
| 14:58.43 | en1gma | i know i wont be able to use opt out though |
| 14:59.06 | en1gma | oh i think theres 2 chips the ac97 and the firestorm |
| 14:59.11 | en1gma | alc650 or soemthing |
| 14:59.13 | Guerin | and all onboard sound devices are shite, so don't fool yourself into thinking it's better than a real card |
| 14:59.18 | Guerin | !guess |
| 14:59.18 | dpkg | hmm... guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 14:59.32 | caphuso | Guerin: to be honest, most real sound cards suck just as much |
| 14:59.48 | en1gma | this onboard chipset is one of the best for onboard |
| 14:59.50 | Guerin | caphuso: most ... but not emu10k1 cards |
| 14:59.52 | Beik | DrPete: The service is run by a freebsd-guy who does an excellent job. :) |
| 14:59.58 | Guerin | en1gma: which means it's one of the least shite |
| 15:00.00 | en1gma | believe me i know ive owned several creative sound cards |
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| 15:00.18 | en1gma | it works and is descent |
| 15:00.32 | primoturbo | I just installed debian |
| 15:00.32 | Guerin | descent? |
| 15:00.40 | Guerin | wow, it must be a powerful card |
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| 15:00.43 | primoturbo | how do I add my name to the sudo file |
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| 15:00.54 | Guerin | i remember having to buy a new graphics card to play descent back in my day |
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| 15:01.04 | DrPete | Beik: sounds, good, I will give it a go |
| 15:01.06 | antgel | primoturbo: before you go mad, how about learning some unix basics? |
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| 15:01.27 | en1gma | Guerin = troll |
| 15:01.34 | nvz | heh |
| 15:01.39 | primoturbo | I need to configure my resolution and refresh rate first |
| 15:01.47 | Guerin | Beik: wtf is the poing of using some signup-only dns service when there are tens of thousands of free nameservers out there which are professionally maintained? |
| 15:01.53 | Guerin | en1gma: give over. |
| 15:02.07 | Greek-Boy | how do i run a .script file from the command line? |
| 15:02.11 | Guerin | !tell primoturbo about set up x |
| 15:02.24 | Guerin | Greek-Boy: .script means nothing. Find out what kind of file it is really. |
| 15:02.40 | Greek-Boy | its just a bash script |
| 15:02.46 | Greek-Boy | that i need to execute |
| 15:02.50 | Guerin | Greek-Boy: sh ./foo |
| 15:03.05 | Zitter | is it fully working maildrop for sarge? |
| 15:03.07 | primoturbo | what is that Guerin |
| 15:03.07 | en1gma | i just want to know what kernel option ppl are picking that use that board |
| 15:03.15 | primoturbo | I want to setup resolution |
| 15:03.20 | primoturbo | and refresh rate |
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| 15:03.29 | Guerin | primoturbo: it's instructions for you to follow |
| 15:03.30 | Greek-Boy | thanks Guerin |
| 15:03.44 | Guerin | en1gma: i already told you |
| 15:03.54 | primoturbo | Is that how you configure resolution and such? |
| 15:03.56 | Guerin | en1gma: find out what audio chipset it uses, and build that in. |
| 15:04.01 | primoturbo | what happened to editing the xorg file |
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| 15:04.08 | Guerin | primoturbo: no, i just told you some random shit to do for fun. |
| 15:04.17 | Guerin | primoturbo: never edit the xorg config. |
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| 15:04.19 | primoturbo | thought so, you evil bastard |
| 15:04.20 | en1gma | "Guerin caphuso: most ... but not emu10k1 cards" ? |
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| 15:04.25 | cuti | anyone using rox? |
| 15:04.29 | primoturbo | j/k |
| 15:04.36 | Guerin | !anyone use rox |
| 15:04.37 | primoturbo | I'll give it a try |
| 15:04.38 | dpkg | No, no one uses rox, not even the people who use it. |
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| 15:04.45 | cuti | i have a question on rox, is there a way to go forward one page in rox? |
| 15:04.46 | Guerin | en1gma: is it an emu10k1? |
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| 15:04.58 | cuti | there is only go back one page button |
| 15:05.03 | Guerin | cuti: that's a better question |
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| 15:05.15 | cuti | :)) |
| 15:05.16 | primoturbo | I don't have premision to do it |
| 15:05.26 | primoturbo | Do I need to relogin as root? |
| 15:05.30 | primoturbo | or is there a faster way? |
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| 15:05.31 | en1gma | Guerin i think so but i researching to make sure |
| 15:05.36 | Guerin | primoturbo: use su or sudo |
| 15:05.41 | Guerin | !think |
| 15:05.41 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 15:05.46 | primoturbo | I'm not on the sudoers list |
| 15:05.47 | Guerin | en1gma: use lspci |
| 15:05.51 | Guerin | primoturbo: use su |
| 15:05.55 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
| 15:06.07 | Ritemal | Could someone please tell me how to access the hardware manager? |
| 15:06.10 | g14 | Could anyone help me reinstall grub? I get a very quick loading stage 1.5 error before my laptop reboots |
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| 15:06.23 | primoturbo | how do I add myself to sudoers list? |
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| 15:06.29 | Guerin | primoturbo: you don't |
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| 15:06.34 | primoturbo | and I get Unknown id: apt-get |
| 15:06.34 | Guerin | primoturbo: just use su for now |
| 15:06.38 | primoturbo | with su |
| 15:06.46 | Guerin | primoturbo: su <enter> |
| 15:06.54 | Guerin | primoturbo: that's thre <enter> key |
| 15:07.06 | primoturbo | :) |
| 15:07.13 | Guerin | if you say Unknown id: <enter> i won't be very impressed |
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| 15:07.21 | en1gma | looks like there are 2 that are showing up with just the "lspci" one is an nvidia apu rev2 and other is ac97 |
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| 15:07.29 | en1gma | gonna do an lspci -v |
| 15:07.39 | primoturbo | alright downloading some stuff now |
| 15:07.55 | Guerin | en1gma: look for modules which match those descriptions |
| 15:08.05 | primoturbo | is this going to setup my resolution or drivers for video card? |
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| 15:08.24 | primoturbo | I'm from ubuntu so debian is a little different |
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| 15:09.42 | AzMoo | primoturbo, actually, they're very very similar. |
| 15:09.47 | gaby | I have very limited knowledge of the tcp/ip protocol, but can it be possible to block my isp from a specific port? |
| 15:09.47 | primoturbo | I have a Powercolor 9700 Pro 128mb |
| 15:09.57 | primoturbo | which driver should I select |
| 15:09.58 | row | I want to enable httpd (www-data user) to be able to run one command without password promt via sudo is that possible and if so can someone give me a example line for /etc/sudoers |
| 15:10.03 | clif4d | Hi, is it possible to pass driver parameters to build in kernel drivers from the boot prompt? If so, how is the format? |
| 15:10.06 | primoturbo | I on vesa now |
| 15:10.11 | caphuso | row: "man sudoers" is full of examples |
| 15:10.21 | redice | #flood |
| 15:10.29 | row | caphuso: not the one I was looking for and what I have tired did not work |
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| 15:10.38 | primoturbo | should I select ati driver? |
| 15:10.39 | AzMoo | primoturbo, is that an ATI card? |
| 15:10.43 | redice | hi |
| 15:10.47 | primoturbo | no it's not |
| 15:10.48 | guevolt | where i can find a site that sales used pc ? |
| 15:10.48 | clif4d | row: "username" ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:10.49 | redice | new forums http://techieforums.net/smf/index.php |
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| 15:10.50 | primoturbo | it's Powercolor |
| 15:10.54 | redice | please support |
| 15:10.58 | mkl1525 | Hi, I've got two different servers were documents are saved. It's not unusal that both servers can't connect with each other, but I'd like to keep the files in sync - is there a solution (maybe something better than rsyncing)? |
| 15:10.59 | primoturbo | but it's exactly the same as an ATI card |
| 15:11.05 | primoturbo | I use ATI drivers for Windows |
| 15:11.08 | AzMoo | primoturbo, Powercolor is a brand. ATI make the chipset. |
| 15:11.15 | primoturbo | yes I know |
| 15:11.16 | Guerin | redice: don't fucking spam |
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| 15:11.23 | primoturbo | so should I select ATI? |
| 15:11.26 | AzMoo | yes |
| 15:11.29 | antgel | mkl1525: why is rsync not sufficient? |
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| 15:12.00 | redice | http://techieforums.net/smf/index.php |
| 15:12.03 | redice | thanks |
| 15:12.06 | Guerin | redice: fuck off, you twat |
| 15:12.07 | primoturbo | Asking me for bus identifier |
| 15:12.09 | primoturbo | what is that? |
| 15:12.15 | Guerin | primoturbo: <enter> |
| 15:12.18 | primoturbo | k |
| 15:12.23 | en1gma | The ALC650 chip provides the board?s 6-channel audio AC 97 CODEC. |
| 15:12.30 | antgel | !ops redice is a spam cock |
| 15:12.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: redice is a spam cock |
| 15:12.32 | en1gma | i think one of the chips is that one |
| 15:12.33 | row | clif4d: does not work it asks for a damn password every time |
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| 15:12.52 | row | ah |
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| 15:13.06 | Revenger | caphuso++ |
| 15:13.22 | AzMoo | Hey Guerin, it was you who was telling me to skip the BusID section, right? Turns out I needed it for the dual video cards :p |
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| 15:13.41 | mkl1525 | antgel, thought that I'd to install some cronjobs or something but now you are asking I darkly remember that there was a rsync daemon so it could do the task in the background, wouldn't it? But would be still a problem with files that are altered on both sides - how to decide what has more priority |
| 15:13.42 | primoturbo | Okay it's done |
| 15:13.49 | primoturbo | how do I restart x? |
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| 15:14.00 | AzMoo | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 15:14.01 | Guerin | AzMoo: you ought to have mentioned that |
| 15:14.06 | primoturbo | can I do it with out having my programs closed? |
| 15:14.08 | antgel | mkl1525: that's a matter for policy |
| 15:14.19 | bibe | primoturbo : no way |
| 15:14.19 | Guerin | en1gma: nothing i can see in the default config for 2.6.11; good luck |
| 15:14.25 | primoturbo | k brb |
| 15:14.38 | AzMoo | Guerin, it's all good. Didn't need it to start with, just when I was modifying the config by hand. |
| 15:14.52 | AzMoo | So when you said I didn't need it, I really didn't at that point :p |
| 15:15.00 | AzMoo | I just thought I'd mention it. |
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| 15:15.26 | en1gma | i see ac97 in /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.3/sound/oss/ac97.h |
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| 15:15.47 | Guerin | en1gma: oh, ac97 is there, but that's no use without the real one. |
| 15:16.03 | Ritemal | Could someone please tell me how to access the hardware manager? |
| 15:16.04 | caphuso | !ac97 |
| 15:16.04 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 15:16.06 | en1gma | Ahhh cRAP |
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| 15:16.21 | row | is there any reason this would not work: www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/maildirmake.sh |
| 15:16.32 | antgel | Ritemal: yes, install windows and access it |
| 15:16.32 | en1gma | caphuso thanks |
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| 15:16.48 | bjb_ | I have a package that won't update or remove (bugbuddy fails in prerm script) because I am missing gconf-schema. Where can I get gconf-schema? |
| 15:16.52 | AzMoo | antgel, heh. |
| 15:17.14 | useruser | I want to copy an entire file to the clipboard in order to paste it in firefox from a shell script. what can I use? |
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| 15:17.37 | useruser | xsel doesn't work so well since UTF text seems to confuse it |
| 15:18.09 | en1gma | "NVIDIA's audio driver is an OSS driver, and requires OSS sound support in the kernel. NVIDIA's audio control panel is a Qt-based application, and requires Qt run-time libraries in order to run." |
| 15:18.13 | dorto | anyone knows how to login in invisible mode in GAIM? |
| 15:18.18 | dorto | any patch for debian's gaim? |
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| 15:18.43 | Mr-R | useruser: do you want to post the content of the file on a web page? |
| 15:19.32 | Guerin | en1gma: you poor bastard |
| 15:19.36 | Guerin | en1gma: get a real sound card |
| 15:19.46 | syntaxx | how to save my font? on X i always need to run gnome-font-properties to be able to show the font i wanted |
| 15:19.50 | en1gma | the funny think is i have 3 sound cards in storage |
| 15:19.52 | en1gma | all sb |
| 15:20.05 | furbsd | how to make kernel automatically find hardware in booting and load module for it |
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| 15:20.43 | primoturbo | Looks like it works |
| 15:20.44 | js_ | is there any vendor that sells servers with debian preinstalled? |
| 15:20.49 | Mr-R | furbsd: put the name of the module in /etc/modules |
| 15:20.49 | Guerin | furbsd: install hotplug and discover |
| 15:20.56 | primoturbo | how do I check if my video card works |
| 15:21.02 | primoturbo | I tried glxgears and I get 100 fps |
| 15:21.06 | furbsd | Guerin: that's what hotplug do? |
| 15:21.12 | Guerin | primoturbo: it works. |
| 15:21.20 | primoturbo | really? |
| 15:21.20 | AzMoo | But not very well, heh |
| 15:21.21 | Guerin | furbsd: ask apt-cache show |
| 15:21.24 | primoturbo | how many fps do u get? |
| 15:21.26 | shocker | how can i run a command when the computer boots? |
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| 15:21.34 | Guerin | oh man |
| 15:21.40 | bibe | primoturbo : you want to check if your card works with 3d acceleration, I think |
| 15:21.43 | syntaxx | how to save my font? on X i always need to run gnome-font-properties to be able to show the font i wanted |
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| 15:22.01 | antgel | shocker: what command? |
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| 15:22.21 | primoturbo | yes |
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| 15:22.32 | primoturbo | how do I check if it works in 3d? |
| 15:22.36 | shocker | antgel: to start xampp webserver |
| 15:22.41 | quacker | Doe anyone here know a way to get video capture to work for a Radeon AIW and kernel 2.6.11? |
| 15:22.47 | bibe | primoturbo : try 'glxinfo' |
| 15:22.58 | antgel | shocker: is it not a debian package? if not, see /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:23.26 | dorto | i asked the installer to create the cvsroot; where does debian installer create it by default? |
| 15:23.31 | Starf^Work | in debian, using debian packages, how can link php4 and mysql to work together? I have installed php4-mysql but i get errors in zencart telling me support issues between hte version of php and mysql i got installed |
| 15:23.32 | primoturbo | what should I be looking for I see a bunch of info |
| 15:23.34 | shocker | antgel: no, it says to install to /opt/ |
| 15:23.41 | bibe | primoturbo : better, check 'glxinfo |grep rendering' |
| 15:23.43 | primoturbo | my sound works with out setiting it up |
| 15:23.44 | liberty | quacker, make sure you got 1394dv, 1394raw 1394ieee loaded |
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| 15:23.48 | quacker | I've tried compiling the drm-kernel module from source and several apps, but they seem to be desighned only for kernel 2-4 se4ries |
| 15:23.59 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, Make sure your mysql client is the same version as the server |
| 15:24.00 | dorto | found it: /var/lib/cvs |
| 15:24.07 | primoturbo | direct rendering: no |
| 15:24.13 | primoturbo | it's not setup is it |
| 15:24.21 | Starf^Work | AzMoo, that affects php? |
| 15:24.27 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, correct. |
| 15:24.38 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, php uses the client libs |
| 15:24.43 | Starf^Work | k |
| 15:24.51 | quacker | liberty -- I'm not using firewire. I'm trying to get the video input on my ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder card to be useable. |
| 15:24.54 | Starf^Work | apt-get install mysql4-client? |
| 15:25.01 | Starf^Work | actually its 4.1 |
| 15:25.11 | bibe | primoturbo : no, it's disabled. What kind of video card do you have? |
| 15:25.31 | dorto | any links to help me with connecting my USB adapter with debian 3.1? |
| 15:25.51 | Starf^Work | AzMoo, says already newest ver |
| 15:26.02 | quacker | For that mater, I'd like to know how to turn on AGP 2x or 4x -- dmesg shows that it's being set to 1x mode at boo |
| 15:26.03 | bibe | Starf^Work : apt-cache search mysql |grep client shows you the mysql clients available |
| 15:26.07 | Starf^Work | both client and server on 4.1 |
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| 15:26.13 | liberty | quacker, good luck with the Svideo/composite... ;o) |
| 15:26.25 | liberty | google it.. |
| 15:26.26 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, 2 secs. |
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| 15:27.10 | quacker | liberty -- you really have no clue, do you? An AIW has a bidirectional CATV (F-type coax connector) |
| 15:27.10 | Starf^Work | k |
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| 15:27.29 | liberty | quacker, unless someone else knows that card. I don't |
| 15:27.47 | useruser | Mr-R: I want to paste it into a textarea on a web page |
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| 15:27.59 | Starf^Work | never seen a VGA card with a f connector on it |
| 15:28.01 | liberty | quacker, no I don't, I use 1394 to dump / edit video |
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| 15:28.06 | quacker | Well I have searched (using *#%^$ing Google as well) and spent about 40 hours compiling various libs... |
| 15:28.09 | Starf^Work | seen dbv cards with f connectors |
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| 15:28.29 | quacker | so don't be flippant with me please. If you don't know, then you don't know. |
| 15:28.36 | useruser | Mr-R: I can do it by going via gedit, but this is cumbersome |
| 15:28.40 | syntaxx | how to save my font? on X i always need to run gnome-font-properties to be able to show the font i wanted anyone knows? |
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| 15:29.02 | liberty | quacker, I tried the same thing your trying with a nVidia.. no joy |
| 15:29.06 | quacker | I've played with broken CVS repositoriess too |
| 15:29.43 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.43 | quacker | Well then, I'm sure you know it's not a matter of 'RTFM' or 'go google' then. =( |
| 15:29.46 | Mr-R | useruser: hmm, you could do that with some small php-script. |
| 15:30.16 | liberty | quacker, I only tried to help ya man. relax |
| 15:30.40 | bibe | syntaxx : Google for 'gnome-font-properties save settings' and click on "I feel lucky" |
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| 15:30.59 | bibe | and, btw, read the /topic please |
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| 15:31.25 | quacker | Uh, no. No you didn't. You tried to look knowlegeable when you're not (at least about this particular issue). But it's all cool: I forgive you -- hahaha. |
| 15:31.26 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, does it fix it if you start mysql with old_passwords=1 ? |
| 15:31.49 | Starf^Work | as an arguement/ |
| 15:31.50 | Starf^Work | ? |
| 15:31.52 | quacker | ;-) |
| 15:32.02 | Starf^Work | its being started by daemon atm i think |
| 15:32.10 | AzMoo | Put it in my.cnf |
| 15:32.18 | Starf^Work | anywhere in it? |
| 15:32.21 | AzMoo | yeah |
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| 15:32.50 | Starf^Work | should the my.cnf load the php module? |
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| 15:33.19 | caphuso | err, that sounds somewhat backwards |
| 15:33.37 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, it's got nothing to do with php |
| 15:33.50 | AzMoo | it's a conflict between mysql and the mysql client libs |
| 15:33.54 | bjb_ | Ok, I have no idea what gconf stuff is, I stuck an exit in the bug-buddy.prerm script and it completed. |
| 15:34.36 | liberty | quacker, (sorry making coffee) no. I dont know it. I strickly use 1394 in linux. |
| 15:35.00 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, if that works, then you need to make sure you have the right version of libmysqlclient |
| 15:35.00 | AzMoo | Or use the old password hashing. |
| 15:35.00 | Starf^Work | the server seems to start ok |
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| 15:35.00 | Starf^Work | i can log into it |
| 15:35.05 | Starf^Work | and show tables etc |
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| 15:35.22 | quacker | Howabout a more straightforward Q. (anybody): from the grub CLI, what command (if any) would tell it to search devices for bootable partitions to generate a fresh boot menu? I haven't found it in info grub or [grub prompt]> help |
| 15:35.29 | Starf^Work | show databases; |
| 15:35.33 | Starf^Work | use mysql |
| 15:35.54 | Starf^Work | show tables; |
| 15:35.58 | quacker | exec base-config and choose 'install bootloader (grub)' again? |
| 15:36.16 | Starf^Work | select * from db |
| 15:36.18 | Starf^Work | etc |
| 15:36.29 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/old-client.html |
| 15:36.34 | valdyn | quacker: what are you trying to boot from grub? |
| 15:36.45 | quacker | (I'd like to know the name of the config script if there is one -- ther must be one because tasksel...) |
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| 15:36.49 | Starf^Work | readinh |
| 15:37.32 | Maakuth_ | hmmh.. why does sid whine about /dev/input/mice |
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| 15:37.37 | Maakuth_ | x11 doesn't start |
| 15:37.52 | Starf^Work | AzMoo, i dont get that error when typing mysql |
| 15:37.58 | valdyn | Maakuth_: you probably removed hotplug ( silly you ) |
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| 15:38.08 | Maakuth_ | silly me |
| 15:38.14 | Starf^Work | or am i missing somat here |
| 15:38.25 | Maakuth_ | well, i don't remember removing hotplug |
| 15:38.32 | quacker | valdyn -- this Linux kernel and I have about 15 other partitions that were wiped from grub.list (or whtever the file is called) and I'd like grub to search them. I'm afraid if I try to add entries manually I might really mess up my boot sector |
| 15:38.34 | Maakuth_ | but maybe aptitude upgrade has done ite |
| 15:38.35 | valdyn | Maakuth_: 'dpkg -l hotplug' |
| 15:38.50 | Maakuth_ | let's see |
| 15:39.00 | outlaw84 | I had a power failure and now I keep gething that "Chose another profile"-thing When I try to start firefox. what should I do? |
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| 15:39.16 | valdyn | quacker: booting linux from grub has about nothing to do with bootable partitions |
| 15:39.19 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, you're getting it in PHP because PHP is using an older version of libmysqlclient |
| 15:39.24 | quacker | I used to multi-boot this machine, but after I upgraded linux kernels I messed stuff around |
| 15:39.29 | quacker | valdyn:: duh |
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| 15:39.47 | quacker | I'm talking about using grub to boot other oses that reside on those partitions |
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| 15:39.53 | Starf^Work | does php reference a mysql client or does it have its own built in? |
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| 15:40.16 | Starf^Work | or should i drop 4.1 and go back to 4.0? |
| 15:40.29 | Starf^Work | not got time for hassle lol |
| 15:40.31 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, php4 I believe has its own. |
| 15:40.44 | AzMoo | php5 changed that because of licensing. |
| 15:40.46 | quacker | I used to multi-boot doze98, doze 2K, Woody and Sarge |
| 15:40.57 | Starf^Work | php5 not free anymore? |
| 15:41.07 | Starf^Work | quacker, coz ya ard |
| 15:41.10 | quacker | Anyone cluefull? |
| 15:41.15 | Maakuth_ | hmph.. i installed hotplug, but don't get any progress with /dev/input/mice |
| 15:41.20 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, mysql changed their licensing. |
| 15:41.25 | Starf^Work | k |
| 15:41.30 | valdyn | quacker: boot one linux manually, run 'update-grub', fix whatever else you need manually in menu.lst |
| 15:41.31 | quacker | Starf^Work:: WTF j00 talkin bout, Willis? |
| 15:41.35 | Starf^Work | would i get less hassle on 4.0? |
| 15:41.39 | liberty | quacker map it again, with df and cfdisk/fdisk |
| 15:41.42 | valdyn | quacker: you dont mess around with the MBR at all doing that |
| 15:41.46 | antgel | quacker: don't think you can mess up your boot sector by changing menu.list. menu.list isn't in the boot sector. |
| 15:41.47 | Starf^Work | quacker, yaw momma |
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| 15:42.13 | valdyn | right, what antgel sais |
| 15:42.19 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, More than likely. It's probably linked wrong in the packages for what ou want. |
| 15:42.29 | quacker | ahh... update-grub (I had guessed at grub-conf) |
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| 15:42.31 | valdyn | quacker: 'grub-install /dev/hda' would mess with the MBR |
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| 15:42.37 | quacker | TY -- that was the simple answer |
| 15:42.54 | Starf^Work | k dropping to 4 |
| 15:43.07 | Starf^Work | anything i need to do bar apt-get remove? |
| 15:43.43 | Starf^Work | mysql-client/server-4.1 any other packages that are 4.1 specific i need to remove? |
| 15:44.04 | quacker | I trust Grub very much (or its developers and package maintainers at least)... BRB |
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| 15:44.19 | Starf^Work | trust noone |
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| 15:45.03 | Starf^Work | ah common too |
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| 15:45.26 | AzMoo | Starf^Work, I can't really help you with the package side of things, sorry. I usually compile all this myself. |
| 15:45.37 | Starf^Work | even in debian?? |
| 15:45.39 | Starf^Work | gasp |
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| 15:45.44 | Starf^Work | i was told off for doing that |
| 15:45.54 | Starf^Work | packages packages packages |
| 15:45.59 | AzMoo | The packages don't provide the configuration I need. |
| 15:45.59 | Starf^Work | meh |
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| 15:46.14 | isopartion | is there an easy way to make partition out of an installation disk that is loadable by grub/lilo? |
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| 15:46.37 | Starf^Work | i was told the way i compiled nvidia drivers would make my system break, yeah so i have to recompile them every kernel update, wow |
| 15:47.15 | isopartion | heh never mind...class is over |
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| 15:47.24 | valdyn | Starf^Work: everyone has to recompile every driver on every kernel update ( unless that driver is included in said kernell |
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| 15:47.53 | thingfish | like m-a a-i nvidia is hard to do. |
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| 15:48.10 | Starf^Work | valdyn, yeah my point was i was told it would break my system when in fact the only thing i had to do was recompile the driver |
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| 15:48.39 | valdyn | Starf^Work: you have to reinstall the driver on every *X* upgrade, that's your 'special' thing ) |
| 15:48.49 | Starf^Work | AzMoo, mysql just told me of a flag for 4.1 and do i really want to downgrade |
| 15:48.50 | s0599169 | hi |
| 15:49.15 | DrPete | Beik: Have you used that service for gluing records |
| 15:49.27 | s0599169 | question, does anyone know how to bind to a NIS server and be able to log in locally? |
| 15:50.01 | s0599169 | like log into my school server so i can access my profile and such using my login name, but use my local username and pass to be admin of my machine |
| 15:50.26 | s0599169 | any way to do this? |
| 15:50.28 | Starf^Work | s'ok i rm'd them |
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| 15:52.45 | ReignWolve | is it a schools linux server ? |
| 15:52.45 | ReignWolve | or is it a windows server ? |
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| 15:52.45 | quacker | http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/1627 <-- no joy, it's not finding any bootable partitions |
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| 15:53.27 | ReignWolve | s0599169, is it a linux server or windows server |
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| 15:53.50 | ReignWolve | welp i got to go |
| 15:53.54 | ReignWolve | laters ppl |
| 15:54.04 | s0599169 | anyone here? |
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| 15:54.16 | quacker | /boot/grub/menu.1st: new file, readonly: line 1 <-- empty |
| 15:54.35 | quacker | (vi status line) |
| 15:54.35 | valdyn | quacker: why 1st, its called 'lst' |
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| 15:55.14 | microsys | s0599169: same user via NIS and locally? this won't do, but you can have local and NIS users |
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| 15:55.18 | Mr-R | quacker: small L not digit one... :) |
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| 15:55.39 | AzMoo | heh, time for a new font if you're getting 1 and l mixed up ;) |
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| 15:55.55 | valdyn | quacker: why the hell do you think it would search for a bootable partition? it does not do that |
| 15:56.19 | valdyn | quacker: beside that it would be utterly pointless to do so |
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| 15:57.25 | quacker | valdyn, I know this is a busy channel, so perhaps you didn't read my answer to that question before... |
| 15:57.31 | furbsd | is it a good idea to make allmodconfig? |
| 15:57.31 | valdyn | furbsd: no |
| 15:57.31 | quacker | I used to multi-boot |
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| 15:57.36 | quacker | the other partitions I had... |
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| 15:57.52 | valdyn | quacker: i read it i know that, it has NOTHING to do with bootable partitions, but you keep mentioning that |
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| 15:57.59 | quacker | Oh nm, I guess you are smarter than the package maintainers... |
| 15:58.27 | furbsd | valdyn: why not |
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| 15:58.50 | quacker | maybe it's a terminology problem -- mine is not making sense to you... (Or maybe you're just another pedantic arrogant geek). L8r. |
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| 15:59.12 | valdyn | furbsd: grub boots vmlinuz files off whatever place you tell it to do that, that has nothing to do with some myhhical 'bootable' flag on partitions |
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| 15:59.16 | bisk8 | hello |
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| 15:59.31 | bisk8 | i need a hand with debian installation |
| 15:59.33 | harleyg | hi, what is the cpuflag for ht, ht? |
| 15:59.38 | bisk8 | after i install it |
| 15:59.59 | primoturbo | Is it possible to remove mozilla? |
| 15:59.59 | bisk8 | i need 2 establish an atp connection |
| 15:59.59 | quacker | shithead -- you are so wrong. To know htis try grub> help |
| 16:00.06 | bisk8 | i mean.... what can i do? |
| 16:00.10 | primoturbo | How do I remove mozilla |
| 16:00.15 | bisk8 | after i install and reboot it wont work |
| 16:00.17 | primoturbo | I just got firefox and no longer need it |
| 16:00.37 | valdyn | quacker: cursing wont change this ) |
| 16:00.37 | bisk8 | primoturbo: apt-get remove firefox |
| 16:00.37 | primoturbo | I found it in synaptic |
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| 16:00.43 | primoturbo | not firefox |
| 16:00.43 | quacker | grub was *&%#ing INTENDED to be able to multiboot nearly ANYTHING that's the point |
| 16:00.48 | primoturbo | mozzila |
| 16:00.51 | AzMoo | primoturbo, apt-get remove mozilla-firefox |
| 16:00.57 | primoturbo | not firefox |
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| 16:01.04 | primoturbo | mozilla browser |
| 16:01.09 | primoturbo | comes with debain |
| 16:01.09 | quacker | No, but I feel a bit better venting on your ignorant ass |
| 16:01.10 | AzMoo | then substitute it for the package name |
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| 16:01.13 | bisk8 | mozilla |
| 16:01.17 | primoturbo | is it possible to remove it? |
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| 16:01.21 | AzMoo | of course |
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| 16:01.31 | primoturbo | because when I find it in synaptic |
| 16:01.31 | quacker | (make that opinionated-ignorant arse) |
| 16:01.32 | bisk8 | after the installation how can i get my system 2 work? |
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| 16:01.35 | furbsd | valdyn: but how does grub affect modules in kernel |
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| 16:01.45 | bisk8 | i says something abt apt |
| 16:01.46 | primoturbo | it says it will also remove gnome |
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| 16:01.51 | primoturbo | and a bunch of other stuff |
| 16:01.57 | valdyn | furbsd: uh? it doesnt, except that it can pass options to the kernel |
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| 16:02.20 | valdyn | furbsd: but that is an entirely different topic oto |
| 16:02.24 | valdyn | furbsd: *too* |
| 16:02.29 | primoturbo | if I remove mozilla will it remove gnome also? |
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| 16:02.39 | furbsd | valdyn: those options can determine what module to load? since i got all mods from kernel |
| 16:02.54 | AzMoo | primoturbo, man apt-get |
| 16:03.04 | bisk8 | azmoo |
| 16:03.08 | bisk8 | can u help me? |
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| 16:03.35 | valdyn | furbsd: what's your issue really? kernel options arent meant to control that much anyway |
| 16:03.54 | AzMoo | bisk8, I doubt it |
| 16:04.05 | bisk8 | did u get the question? |
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| 16:04.09 | primoturbo | take a look |
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| 16:04.12 | primoturbo | http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/8851/screenshot1gt.png |
| 16:04.16 | primoturbo | will this remove gnome also? |
| 16:04.18 | valdyn | furbsd: 'what modules to load' is controlled by /etc/modules, discover,hotplug |
| 16:04.23 | furbsd | valdyn: i just did make allmodconfig in kernel source |
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| 16:04.35 | furbsd | i'm just not sure if it's good or bad idea |
| 16:04.39 | quacker | ahhh... crapola, this new 'testing' version of base-config has no 'install bootloader option'... |
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| 16:04.56 | primoturbo | can someone pls tell me |
| 16:05.03 | primoturbo | if that will remove gnome also |
| 16:05.14 | primoturbo | because I really don't feel like messing up my setup |
| 16:05.18 | Frem | primoturbo, Why would it? |
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| 16:05.29 | valdyn | furbsd: its a really bad idea. |
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| 16:05.36 | primoturbo | it says it will also remove gnome and a bunch of other stuff |
| 16:05.36 | primoturbo | http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/8851/screenshot1gt.png |
| 16:05.39 | valdyn | furbsd: that kernel will not be useful for anything |
| 16:05.40 | asg | primoturbo: apt-get remove --purge <foo> (if it is going to remove a bunch of other shit, it will tell you and let you quit) |
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| 16:05.56 | quacker | I was so looking forward to 'enlightening' Valdyn when the grub installer script found those 'irrelevant' bootable partitions... such is life... |
| 16:06.03 | furbsd | valdyn: but kernel can load modules based on what it founds? |
| 16:06.07 | quacker | heh |
| 16:06.12 | antgel | furbsd: why don't you use make-kpkg? |
| 16:06.12 | valdyn | furbsd: if you want to have as much as possible as module, then *at* *leat* you need initrd compiled in |
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| 16:06.47 | valdyn | furbsd: it cannot find shit without *some* features enabling it to load modules ( like a disk driver, initrd support ) |
| 16:06.51 | Frem | primoturbo, ok, I'll take a look. (muttering - "Stupid slow computer that takes 20 seconds to load browser") |
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| 16:07.18 | primoturbo | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 16:07.18 | quacker | BTW, i've doen what I'm describing before -- used grub to find bootable partitions -- I just... can't... 'member... how did... it (hold the cuecards a bit higher, mr. Nimoy -- hehehe) |
| 16:07.18 | primoturbo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.19 | primoturbo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.24 | furbsd | what does initrd do anyway |
| 16:07.33 | primoturbo | so will removing mozilla-browser remove gnome? |
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| 16:07.42 | Frem | primoturbo, ooohhh. I see. |
| 16:07.44 | asg | primoturbo: yes |
| 16:07.46 | Frem | primoturbo, yes. |
| 16:07.48 | BiSK-8 | i need help with the installation of debian: i install the os than it reboots and it sais welcome to ur new debian system.... than it askes me root pass, etc... then it asks form where i want to get my apt and it gives me cdrom, ftp, http, filesystem.... well i do cd but it says that i need a cdrom, if i do http or ftp it dosent connect, what should i do? |
| 16:07.59 | primoturbo | good thing I didn't remove it then |
| 16:08.01 | asg | primoturbo: so install firefox or something else that gnome-core uses to satisfy it's requirement |
| 16:08.02 | thingfish | primoturbo: come on, dude, apt just told you it would. |
| 16:08.23 | primoturbo | okay just wondering if it meant it will remove all of gnome |
| 16:08.29 | primoturbo | or just a part of it |
| 16:08.30 | Frem | primoturbo, Gnome needs the gecko engine in one form or another. |
| 16:08.33 | dorto | BiSK-8: do you have a cd/dvd-rom? |
| 16:08.33 | primoturbo | good thing I asked |
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| 16:08.37 | primoturbo | I'll leave it for now |
| 16:08.44 | BiSK-8 | dorto, yes, i have 2 cdroms |
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| 16:08.51 | valdyn | quacker: the installer most likely reads menu.lst on your preexisting linux installation, it ( again ), has nothing to do with bootable partitions ) |
| 16:08.53 | Frem | primoturbo, what browser do you use normally? |
| 16:08.58 | unisib | hello to all |
| 16:08.59 | primoturbo | firefox |
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| 16:09.05 | dorto | BiSK-8: then put the first Debian cd in your cd rom when it prompts you |
| 16:09.16 | dorto | BiSK-8: what is the problem? |
| 16:09.23 | Bombo | hi |
| 16:09.34 | Frem | primoturbo, heh. That has the Gecko engine. I guess the deps are just messed up or something. |
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| 16:09.56 | BiSK-8 | dorto, i installed it, then it expells the cd and reboots and asks me thoes things |
| 16:09.59 | primoturbo | No idea, I'm sort of new |
| 16:10.06 | primoturbo | But I'll leave it not a big deal |
| 16:10.09 | BiSK-8 | what should i do |
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| 16:10.13 | BiSK-8 | i put cdrom |
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| 16:10.14 | antgel | !tell primoturbo about grounding |
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| 16:10.23 | BiSK-8 | but it says 2 insert a debian cd |
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| 16:10.34 | BiSK-8 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:10.49 | quacker | valdyn: just STFU please (unless you want to stop guessing). I *know* because I've doen this before, and because it's recommended in howtos. My system is different now though since I did it the last HALF-DOZEN timnes. |
| 16:10.52 | BiSK-8 | i got the 1st 2 isos |
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| 16:11.13 | antgel | why don't you two take it to /msg or /ig each other |
| 16:11.23 | quacker | Again you are just being pedantic about your own opinion. |
| 16:11.25 | thingfish | quacker gets an ignore for being a major jerk. |
| 16:11.28 | valdyn | antgel: ill just plonk |
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| 16:12.11 | dorto | BiSK-8: you installed the base system and removed the cd and rebooted and then debian asked you some config about root etc, right? |
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| 16:12.35 | BiSK-8 | exactly |
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| 16:12.56 | quacker | Anyone know the name of the grub conf script in Testing? |
| 16:12.57 | BiSK-8 | i tried the netinstall but my dhcp wont work |
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| 16:13.11 | dorto | BiSK-8: you can complete this second part even with out cdrom/internet connection |
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| 16:13.25 | quacker | thingfish: you're breaking my heart (and perhaps preserving your own peace-of-mind -- good on you) |
| 16:13.33 | quacker | lol |
| 16:13.36 | dorto | BiSK-8: just complete the configuration and get to the shell |
| 16:13.51 | BiSK-8 | dorto, what????? what configuration? |
| 16:13.54 | BiSK-8 | what shell? |
| 16:14.05 | BiSK-8 | it wont let me complete |
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| 16:14.23 | dorto | BiSK-8: what stopped you during configuration after the reboot? |
| 16:14.23 | BiSK-8 | it says to insert the correct debian cd |
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| 16:14.40 | BiSK-8 | somthing abt apts |
| 16:14.40 | furbsd | how can i check what kernel file the system loaded |
| 16:14.48 | dorto | BiSK-8: it asks you for cds only if you select to install more packages |
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| 16:15.02 | BiSK-8 | i dont select anything |
| 16:15.14 | dorto | BiSK-8: when you are asked to choose GNOME, KDE, Mail Server etc don't select anything |
| 16:15.17 | quacker | nm -- I'll just find a Sarge or Woody boot CD and use the bootloader installer on that -- that's what I've done to repair my boot menu (and the boot sector too0 in times past. I was just hoping someone here had a clue as to how to do it from a shell/virterm |
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| 16:15.28 | BiSK-8 | dorto, im not there ye |
| 16:15.29 | BiSK-8 | t |
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| 16:16.03 | dorto | BiSK-8: if apt asks for source list, select 'edit by hand' and put everything in remark lines, save and exit |
| 16:16.13 | dorto | BiSK-8: remark lines start with # |
| 16:16.25 | primoturbo | Does anyone know if there is a guide on installing ati driver on debian? |
| 16:16.32 | primoturbo | is there a forum for debian? |
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| 16:16.34 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 16:16.34 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 16:16.44 | Bombo | how does that autofs thing work? i did apt-get install autofs then i put the line into /etc/auto.master: "/media /etc/auto.media" and this line into /etc/auto.media: "floppy -fstype=auto :/dev/fd0" then i started /etc/init.d/autofs start |
| 16:16.45 | BiSK-8 | apt asks to be configured |
| 16:16.47 | primoturbo | cool |
| 16:16.48 | primoturbo | thnx |
| 16:16.52 | BiSK-8 | apt asks to be configured dorto |
| 16:16.54 | sjk | I have an odd problem -- hoping for help ulimit -l keeps resetting to 32K -- looking for a way to perminantly set the value |
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| 16:17.05 | dorto | BiSK-8: what options does it give to you? |
| 16:17.12 | Bombo | then i put a floppy into the drive, but nothing happened, noching in the log and /media is empty |
| 16:17.20 | BiSK-8 | cdrom ftp http file system, by hand |
| 16:17.22 | antgel | sjk: grep ulimit /etc/* |
| 16:17.26 | dorto | BiSK-8: cdrom, http, ftp, edit by hand. right? |
| 16:17.30 | adi_ | hello |
| 16:17.31 | asg | sjk: /etc/security/limit.conf |
| 16:17.32 | BiSK-8 | exactly |
| 16:17.35 | quacker | But since you'd rather just argue that it can't be done (if we just shot all the people like Valdyn, Microsoft would be shaking in its lying boots --hahaha) |
| 16:17.36 | asg | sjk: or in your dotfiles |
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| 16:17.38 | dorto | BiSK-8: select 'edit by hand' |
| 16:17.43 | asg | s/limit/limits/ |
| 16:17.44 | adi_ | i'm having a prob : fonts in xmms and other apps are tiny and i can't read em.. how can i fix that plz ? |
| 16:17.50 | BiSK-8 | and it gives a guiless thing |
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| 16:17.54 | houeland | my flex binary doesn't seem to be doing what it should (always includes yylineno and doesn't include the user code section at least), is it broken or are there some configuration files or something to fix this? |
| 16:17.55 | BiSK-8 | what should i do there? |
| 16:18.00 | dorto | BiSK-8: put # infront of all non-empty lines you find there |
| 16:18.03 | antgel | sjk: what asg said |
| 16:18.04 | sjk | did that -- edited the limits.conf -- limit is set in colsole but resets when X is run |
| 16:18.06 | BiSK-8 | k |
| 16:18.07 | BiSK-8 | brb |
| 16:18.32 | valdyn | sjk: look at /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 16:18.51 | Thorrn4 | hello!! Im having trouble installing Debian from the net isntall CD; the CD installed completely but now I cannot connect to the APT-SOURCE servers |
| 16:19.43 | adi_ | Thorrn4, look this is a problem coming from your internet connection, not from debian itself |
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| 16:20.08 | Thorrn4 | my internet connection is good; Im on it from another computer |
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| 16:20.15 | Bombo | anyone here knows how to use autofs? |
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| 16:20.23 | antgel | Thorrn4: he means the network connection on the debian machine |
| 16:20.31 | sjk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:20.36 | antgel | Bombo: anyone here know how to ask an answerable question? |
| 16:20.44 | primoturbo | Why is there so much crap I have to do to install drivers |
| 16:20.46 | primoturbo | for ati |
| 16:20.53 | primoturbo | recompile kernel and stuff |
| 16:21.00 | antgel | primoturbo: because you want to use proprietary software |
| 16:21.02 | primoturbo | isn't there a faster way? |
| 16:21.05 | adi_ | fonts in xmms and other apps are tiny and i can't read em.. how can i fix that plz ? |
| 16:21.27 | slushpupie | primoturbo: complain to ATI if you want the drivers to improve |
| 16:21.34 | primoturbo | For ubuntu I didn't have to do that |
| 16:21.39 | primoturbo | why is it now I need to do it on debain? |
| 16:21.40 | antgel | primoturbo: use ubuntu |
| 16:21.47 | primoturbo | I want to use debain |
| 16:21.52 | primoturbo | ia |
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| 16:21.54 | valdyn | primoturbo: why do you think you have to recompile your kernel? |
| 16:21.56 | Thorrn4 | adi_: Iput in all the correct info to connect to the DSL router.... |
| 16:22.00 | chimaera | i updated to the latest udev and wonder how to call my wlan-script which hotplug dealt with before. how do i achive this with udev? |
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| 16:22.23 | primoturbo | http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 16:22.32 | valdyn | chimaera: in sid? you removed hotplug? |
| 16:22.34 | adi_ | Thorrn4, have you tried with different ftps ? |
| 16:22.37 | Slippy | how would you normally go about changing the wallpaper in openbox? |
| 16:22.49 | AzMoo | primoturbo, ubuntu is designed specifically so you don't have to do all this. However, debian is MUCH more configurable. |
| 16:23.07 | chimaera | valdyn: latest udev _conflicts_ hotplug. it's functionallity has been included. only partly it seems. |
| 16:23.09 | antgel | primoturbo: you have obviously done no research about debian |
| 16:23.10 | primoturbo | Is there no way to get ati drivers working faster |
| 16:23.20 | primoturbo | obviously not |
| 16:23.26 | junrpe | when I issue the command cat /proc/partitions there are a few entrys at the bottom like dm-0 , dm-1 etc (theres one for each disk and the block size is the same) |
| 16:23.30 | junrpe | what are these for? |
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| 16:23.49 | aimtrainer | hi, does any1 have an idea why the changes I make in my fstab are away after restarting? (I just erased some "noauoto,"s) thx |
| 16:24.03 | antgel | primoturbo: do you even need 3d accel? |
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| 16:24.11 | snail | aimtrainer: are you running knoppix? |
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| 16:24.37 | Thorrn4 | adi_: which one should I try? there are a few |
| 16:24.37 | primoturbo | yes |
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| 16:24.45 | aimtrainer | snail no mepis |
| 16:24.51 | primoturbo | I want to try quake4 on here |
| 16:25.00 | adi_ | Thorrn4, i know that french ens-cachan works |
| 16:25.01 | primoturbo | maybe doom3 |
| 16:25.08 | mwilson | aimtrainer: #mepis, then. |
| 16:25.10 | Thorrn4 | adi_: brb |
| 16:25.10 | valdyn | chimaera: nah it doesnt, you still need hotplug |
| 16:25.13 | AzMoo | quake4? That came out? |
| 16:25.16 | adi_ | Thorrn4, just to check if yourp rob doesn't come from bad source |
| 16:25.21 | aimtrainer | mwilson yea asked there too |
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| 16:25.23 | pigor | hello, php does not work on my debian system, though i have installed the package "php4" - why? |
| 16:25.30 | aimtrainer | but no1 answered yet 8( |
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| 16:25.33 | mwilson | aimtrainer: Why would anyone here know? |
| 16:25.35 | Thorrn4 | adi_: how can I check that? |
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| 16:25.45 | chimaera | valdyn: yes, it does. "Conflicts: lvm-common (<< 1.5.13), hotplug, module-init-tools (<< 3.2-pre9-1)" |
| 16:25.45 | snail | mepis is a live-cd everything is meant to go away when you rebbot, that's the point |
| 16:25.48 | valdyn | chimaera: you should probably downgrade to the old udev |
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| 16:25.52 | asg | pigor: you didn't install libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 16:25.58 | antgel | pigor: because you have applied the same slapdash approach to installing packages as you apply to asking questions |
| 16:26.00 | aimtrainer | dont know but I dont know if it is a distro-specific problem |
| 16:26.04 | adi_ | Thorrn4, if you have the same prob connecting to whatever good ftp you try, then the prob ain't there |
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| 16:26.28 | chimaera | valdyn: that's of course an option i already considered, i just wondered if there are workarounds for my issues.. |
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| 16:26.31 | pigor | asg: i have installed it |
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| 16:26.39 | valdyn | chimaera: yea, looking at it, but it still doesnt work properly atm |
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| 16:26.56 | valdyn | chimaera: yea, i was wondering that too, dont know |
| 16:27.02 | snail | aimtrainer: it's not a problem. it is designed behaviour |
| 16:27.06 | asg | pigor: did you verify that apache has the appropriate config in /etc/apache/modules.conf? |
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| 16:27.10 | primoturbo | Is Nvidia better for linux? |
| 16:27.16 | primoturbo | ATI gives me too many problems |
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| 16:27.23 | furbsd | not for me |
| 16:27.26 | chimaera | valdyn: anyhow, where to put m yhotplug script. in theory i mean? also, sbp2 doesn't get autoloaded anymore.. |
| 16:27.31 | AzMoo | primoturbo, nvidia's no different. |
| 16:27.41 | dorto | mine is nvidia and it worked fine with 3-4 gnu/linuxes i have used |
| 16:27.42 | primoturbo | why can't they get better driver support |
| 16:27.47 | aimtrainer | snail yea whatever for me it still is a problem ;) |
| 16:27.52 | gnfan | Rescuing old PC as test box, S3 968 card is not detected by the sarge Xfree86 S3 driver.. I just need enough resolution do I can okay the KDE dialogues displayed on first use. I found a working S3 XF86Config-4 on the Debian site, except it didn't work for me - ho hum.... Is there a way to run the old 3.3 XF drivers in Sarge? |
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| 16:28.28 | Thorrn4 | adi_: I dont think that my router sees my computer at all...its not showing up |
| 16:28.30 | primoturbo | Is there a big forum for debian? |
| 16:28.37 | antgel | primoturbo: you can follow that tutorial without compliing the kernel |
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| 16:28.50 | antgel | primoturbo: debian-user mailing list |
| 16:28.51 | adi_ | Thorrn4, are you connected with wifi ? |
| 16:28.52 | Thorrn4 | adis there a way to re-imput the info in debian? |
| 16:28.58 | Thorrn4 | adi_: no...ethernet |
| 16:29.04 | snail | aimtrainer: no. the problem for you is that you're putting a round block into a square hole. go and read the docs |
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| 16:29.29 | valdyn | chimaera: * Please purge the hotplug package! ( you did that? ) |
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| 16:29.35 | antgel | primoturbo: actually i have no idea why the author suggests kernel compiling other than to show how large his cock is |
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| 16:30.26 | adi_ | Thorrn4, have you tried getting access to the router's control panel |
| 16:30.31 | adi_ | Thorrn4, with http:// .. |
| 16:30.39 | primoturbo | You don't need to compile it aparently |
| 16:30.40 | primoturbo | You don't need to actually compile the kernel, but you do need to configure it properly. |
| 16:30.48 | antgel | primoturbo: the fglrx packages are in debian contrib or non-free. i would ignore that tutorial |
| 16:30.51 | valdyn | primoturbo: it already is properly configured by default |
| 16:31.08 | Thorrn4 | adi_: I'm not sure what u mean by that...but on the 2nd machine I can...I can view the settings and what not |
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| 16:31.12 | antgel | primoturbo: you don't understand. kernel config is something you only need to do if you're about to compile it |
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| 16:31.19 | primoturbo | I see |
| 16:31.28 | primoturbo | So what do I do to get 3d support? |
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| 16:31.45 | Thorrn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.49 | primoturbo | get the fglrx packages then switch it in xorg.conf for fglrx instead of ati? |
| 16:31.51 | amphi | primoturbo: what card? |
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| 16:32.01 | furbsd | why does kernel need to be customized |
| 16:32.01 | antgel | primoturbo: yep. |
| 16:32.05 | adi_ | Thorrn4, have you checked if the cable was a cross-over one ? |
| 16:32.11 | primoturbo | ATI 9700 PRO 128Mb |
| 16:32.11 | valdyn | primoturbo: a) install the packages b) install module-assistant c) run m-a a-i fglrx d) run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( or -xorg ) |
| 16:32.16 | adi_ | Thorrn4, a priori, it must come from a hardward issue |
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| 16:32.29 | antgel | primoturbo: the package documentation will explain. all package docs are in /usr/share/doc, once installed |
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| 16:32.43 | primoturbo | I've done it for ubuntu and it was easy but now this |
| 16:32.46 | antgel | !fglrx |
| 16:32.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 16:32.48 | antgel | !ati |
| 16:32.49 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
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| 16:33.14 | sunkan | Any tips on getting more entropy available when running a server with cyrus-imap cyrus-sasl? |
| 16:33.16 | Thorrn4 | adi_: its not a cross over cable |
| 16:33.33 | amphi | primoturbo: yeah, you're stuck with fglrx if you want 3d accel |
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| 16:34.21 | antgel | primoturbo: actually, the fglrx packages appear to be empty. you do need to follow that tutorial. just ignore the part about compiling the kernel |
| 16:34.23 | valdyn | !info fglrx-kernel-source |
| 16:34.43 | adi_ | well .. i dunno really |
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| 16:35.04 | pigor | asg: it works! i have to install php4-cgi and php4-cli .. |
| 16:35.04 | runedude | hmm.. is there any reason i cant lookup ipv6 addresses on debian? i do have the ipv6 module loaded, btw |
| 16:35.31 | primoturbo | I can't find fglrx |
| 16:35.39 | pigor | asg: it works .. i have to install php4-cgi and php4-cli |
| 16:35.41 | valdyn | primoturbo: its really easy, what isnt easy is that you should read the whole page before doing anything, since flavio provides *several* ways to install fglrx and the first one isnt the easiest |
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| 16:36.03 | rep | hi, anyone know how to tell make-kpkg to compile a new kernel without having to run "make-kpkg clean" first? (i don't want to have to recompile the whole thing if i only touched one file) |
| 16:36.53 | caphuso | rep: /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
| 16:36.57 | primoturbo | I don't get this |
| 16:37.07 | thingfish | last time I compiled a kernel I forgot to do make-kpkg clean and everything came out fine. |
| 16:37.11 | valdyn | rep: you dont have to run make-kpkg clean, but anything not working of you skip that step is unsupported and your own risk |
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| 16:37.34 | rep | valdyn it doesn't recompile, if i don't run make-kpkg clean |
| 16:37.36 | primoturbo | There are no fglrx packages |
| 16:37.38 | rep | caphuso what about it? |
| 16:37.43 | chimaera | valdyn: sure, purged and everything. |
| 16:37.46 | Danar | i have a cell phone here connected via usb, but can't figure out how to transfer ringtones or anything to it |
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| 16:38.04 | row | how do I test if a value is numeric in a bash script? |
| 16:38.08 | caphuso | rep: that's where you configure make-kpkg to not clean the source tree |
| 16:38.19 | caphuso | row: #bash |
| 16:38.23 | rep | caphuso mind telling me how? |
| 16:38.23 | Danar | can anyone help |
| 16:38.29 | caphuso | rep: with a text editor |
| 16:38.56 | rep | i got that much :) |
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| 16:39.29 | valdyn | chimaera: maybe that is your bug? #332898 - serio hotplug broken? |
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| 16:39.40 | jharrisonwk | how do I get make-kpkg to build a kernel with initrd image? |
| 16:39.45 | caphuso | rep: then what do you want? are you expecting me to paste "man kernel-pkg.conf"? |
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| 16:39.49 | alundra | hello |
| 16:40.02 | rep | caphuso you could have just told me to read the manpage |
| 16:40.08 | Thorrn4 | is there someone here that could help me with the net install CD? |
| 16:40.08 | jharrisonwk | ive tried make-kpkg kernel-image --initrd but I do not see any initrd images in the contents of the package |
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| 16:40.25 | valdyn | rep: it sure does, assuming your specify the same --append-to-version and --revision |
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| 16:40.29 | ukh | sanity check: could someone with am i386 etch system please give me the output of "ldd /bin/ls | wc -l"? |
| 16:40.35 | adi_ | how to fix tiny fonts in XMMS plz ? |
| 16:40.35 | alundra | i got a problem, i just installer debian 5 minutes ago, and when i want to install apache, ./configure and make doesnt work ... why ? |
| 16:40.40 | cheal | Thorrn4: not without more information |
| 16:40.42 | syntaxx | can i apt-get also the suggested packages in just a single command? |
| 16:40.49 | antgel | primoturbo: the fglrx packages are in non-free, but don't bother. as i said, they're not real packages. |
| 16:40.50 | cheal | !wayc alundra |
| 16:40.52 | dpkg | alundra: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 16:40.57 | rep | valdyn i only use --append-to-version.. maybe i should set a --revision too? |
| 16:41.08 | caphuso | rep: oh, sorry, assuming that there's some basic self reliance in the people i help is a bad habit i haven't got rid of completely yet |
| 16:41.10 | alundra | apt-get install apache doestn work too |
| 16:41.12 | primoturbo | antgel: What should I do then? |
| 16:41.17 | chimaera | valdyn: i don't see how that is related.. |
| 16:41.23 | valdyn | rep: nope but maybe you should read and paste ( not here ) why its 'not working' |
| 16:41.23 | rep | caphuso heh. |
| 16:41.28 | antgel | alundra: because you have installed an OS without bothering to read any documentation |
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| 16:41.31 | Thorrn4 | cheal: its not connecting to the apt-source servers; it finished the CD install and now its booting into the hd |
| 16:41.40 | Joizzler | hi |
| 16:41.53 | cheal | alundra: "doesn't work" won't work to get help here |
| 16:42.00 | antgel | primoturbo: i told you above |
| 16:42.04 | rep | valdyn i did'nt say it's not working. i just said that it's not compiling if i don't run make-kpkg first. |
| 16:42.06 | cddesjar | i am trying to tell amarok to build my music collection and i know i have the right "box" clicked so that it scans my media but it comes blank every time it scans...also the build collection button flickers...do you guys think this is a bug? |
| 16:42.12 | primoturbo | I don't understand what you said |
| 16:42.23 | cheal | Thorrn4: can you reach the internet otherwise? |
| 16:42.26 | antgel | primoturbo: what part don't you understand? |
| 16:42.41 | Thorrn4 | cheal: I can from another computer, but not the debian one |
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| 16:42.48 | cheal | cddesjar: ask #debian-kde or #amarok |
| 16:42.54 | cddesjar | ok |
| 16:42.55 | primoturbo | I don't understand what i need to do in order to get 3d support |
| 16:42.56 | rep | valdyn i noticed it because i added some code somewhere, as well as a printk(), and if i run strings /boot/vmlinux, the printk is not there (also the code is not executed, after i reboot to the "new" kernel) |
| 16:43.04 | Joizzler | i'm trying to install debian on my harddisk which is connected through the promise pdc20265 onboard controller of my asus a7v board, but the harddisk is not recognized by the installer. any hints? (yes, i tried google groups) |
| 16:43.19 | cheal | Thorrn4: that's what you have to solve first. APT sources on the Internet can't be reached without Internet access |
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| 16:43.20 | antgel | primoturbo: i told you above. if you can't be fucked to scroll up, i certainly can't be bothered to repeat myself (again) |
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| 16:43.36 | alundra | antgel: cheal: i use apt and it works thank you |
| 16:43.52 | antgel | !tell alundra about grounding |
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| 16:44.12 | primoturbo | I scrolled up and tried to make sense of what you said |
| 16:44.20 | primoturbo | ignore compiling kernel |
| 16:44.25 | Thorrn4 | cheal: how can I reconfigure the newtork info for it? because I put it in....but maybe its not right |
| 16:44.27 | primoturbo | but I don't understand what that means |
| 16:44.40 | primoturbo | The steps don't connect then |
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| 16:44.45 | primoturbo | if u ignore a chunk of them |
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| 16:44.48 | antgel | primoturbo: there is a section about compiling the kernel. chapter 2 i think. ignore it. |
| 16:45.11 | primoturbo | did u read the instructions? |
| 16:45.14 | cheal | Thorrn4: there's no single utility for network configuration. it depends what kind of connection to internet you have |
| 16:45.30 | Danar | i have a cell phone here connected via usb, but can't figure out how to transfer ringtones or anything to it. can anyone help? |
| 16:45.38 | N4N01D | has anyone had any problems with virtual pc & debian network connections? |
| 16:45.51 | Thorrn4 | cheal: Im using DSL connected through an ethernet |
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| 16:46.08 | cheal | Thorrn4: did you run pppoeconf? |
| 16:46.18 | Thorrn4 | cheal: I'll try |
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| 16:46.52 | jharrisonwk | no one knows how to make a initrd kernel with make-kpkg? |
| 16:46.59 | antgel | primoturbo: yes. try it and come back |
| 16:47.17 | antgel | jharrisonwk: what sort of question is that? |
| 16:47.33 | antgel | !tell N4N01D about anyone |
| 16:47.36 | thingfish | jharrisonwk: there's a read me at /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 16:47.56 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 16:47.59 | sunkan | jharrisonwk: AFAIK the initrd is created when the package is installed (if the kernel package is created with --initrd) |
| 16:48.01 | jharrisonwk | lot of new faces in here |
| 16:48.03 | valdyn | Danar: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 16:48.25 | primoturbo | so do I need to ignore the kernel source /config? |
| 16:48.28 | jharrisonwk | sunkan: that makes ense |
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| 16:48.30 | asg | jharrisonwk: we're all in ot these days |
| 16:48.38 | jharrisonwk | asg: ot? |
| 16:48.41 | asg | offtopic |
| 16:48.45 | jharrisonwk | asg: ah |
| 16:48.52 | chimaera | valdyn: ok, i just downloaded. i have to investigate further before updating this. anyway, thanks fro your help. |
| 16:49.01 | cddesjar | i'll just stick to rhythmbox |
| 16:49.03 | Thorrn4 | cheal: it says that it found the ethernet....but it does not find a response to connecting it to the internet (dsl router) |
| 16:49.03 | chimaera | valdyn: s/loaded/graded/ |
| 16:49.05 | cddesjar | amarok is too bloated anyways |
| 16:49.06 | jharrisonwk | asg: #debian has become too much of newb central? |
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| 16:49.40 | primoturbo | Is it possible to add ubuntu servers and follow this guide http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65276&highlight=ati+drivers |
| 16:49.42 | asg | jharrisonwk: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 16:49.44 | Danar | valdyn, i have the usb stuff, and it shows in usbviewer |
| 16:49.48 | valdyn | Thorrn4: try running pppoe-discovery |
| 16:49.49 | wireddd | its just peoples nature to get off topic |
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| 16:49.57 | Danar | valdyn, but i have no /dev/sd* |
| 16:50.05 | jethro | ~lf jharrisonwk |
| 16:50.06 | apt | jharrisonwk: don't you know we're supposed to be luserfriendly? |
| 16:50.09 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 16:50.09 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 16:50.11 | asg | primoturbo: if you do and it breaks, #debian will not be able to help you |
| 16:50.11 | jharrisonwk | asg: I should have known tarzeau would have something about it |
| 16:50.17 | asg | jharrisonwk: greycat wrote it |
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| 16:50.23 | valdyn | Danar: the modules usb-storage and sd_mod are loaded? |
| 16:50.27 | jharrisonwk | asg: yes but tarzeau is known for hosting such things |
| 16:50.45 | asg | jharrisonwk: I'm sure grey also has it on his own site. That's just the URL from the factoid |
| 16:50.54 | caphuso | Danar: do you have /dev/ub*? |
| 16:51.06 | Thorrn4 | valdyn: it timed out |
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| 16:51.17 | Danar | caphuso, no |
| 16:51.17 | asg | jharrisonwk: it is also a relevant entry in the #debian faq (which is what linuks.mine.nu/ is in that respect) |
| 16:51.26 | valdyn | Thorrn4: you dont have a dsl link then |
| 16:51.39 | primoturbo | what about ati.com |
| 16:51.41 | valdyn | Thorrn4: your dsl modem should have an LED showing that |
| 16:51.48 | primoturbo | can I use the linux drivers they got up there? |
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| 16:52.35 | Thorrn4 | valdyn: it is connected and the LEDs are on |
| 16:52.40 | valdyn | primoturbo: dpkg already told you not to use those |
| 16:52.45 | Danar | valdyn, maybe not. how do i check? |
| 16:52.52 | valdyn | Danar: lsmod |
| 16:52.56 | Danar | oh yeah |
| 16:52.59 | primoturbo | but why not? |
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| 16:53.22 | valdyn | primoturbo: its the same drivers, just that they get put into locations that dont work properly with debian |
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| 16:53.35 | Danar | i have usbhid & usbcore, but not those two |
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| 16:54.30 | antgel | asg: good link that |
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| 16:54.55 | jharrisonwk | asg: yes |
| 16:54.59 | valdyn | Thorrn4: uyou can use ethtool or miitool to check if your hardware link is ok |
| 16:55.02 | antgel | Neither the elders nor the Court could do the job of the other; and yet the Court had been incited by the King to come and Investigate The Problem Of The Channel. |
| 16:55.06 | asg | antgel: yes. It's dpkg's 'fable' factoid btw |
| 16:55.10 | valdyn | Thorrn4: link between your box and the dsl modem |
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| 16:55.53 | antgel | where was all this communication from Debian complaining about the channel? unless i'm mistaken, it's all very smoke and mirrors |
| 16:56.07 | valdyn | Thorrn4: however if that thing isnt just a dsl modem but a router too, then that box itself has to connect to internet |
| 16:56.08 | asg | antgel: it was all behind closed doors. |
| 16:56.11 | Danar | valdyn, i loaded them, but i still don't have the devices |
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| 16:56.30 | primoturbo | !ati |
| 16:56.30 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 16:56.40 | antgel | asg: i find that annoying and insulting. thought debian prided itself on freedom, openness. |
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| 16:57.06 | asg | antgel: as a collective it does, just not some of the people that make up that collective apparently. |
| 16:57.27 | asg | antgel: remember, the cabal is a myth ;) |
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| 16:58.04 | antgel | asg: what is the collective if not the people who make it etc. there's no way to have a dialogue in this situation |
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| 16:58.35 | Danar | how do i get the /dev/sd* to appear? |
| 16:58.44 | asg | antgel: nor were we invited to be a part of that dialogue. That's why we are not motivated to help anymore. |
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| 16:58.44 | GREENTHING | I try to install debian on my new computer... a dell 9100 dual core... and The installer not recognize my Ethernet card... and it seem not recognize my motherboard... |
| 16:58.50 | Thorrn4 | valdyn: ethtool and miitool commands did not work |
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| 16:59.05 | primoturbo | When is the next debian release planned? |
| 16:59.13 | azeem | primoturbo: dec 2006 |
| 16:59.13 | cheal | !wwer |
| 16:59.13 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out. |
| 16:59.14 | asg | !wir |
| 16:59.14 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 16:59.16 | Thorrn4 | valdyn: and the router is connected to the internet....Im using it from another computer |
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| 16:59.33 | jades | is there a group that contains all users? so i can install using this user group and owner privileges and be able to access it from anyuser? |
| 16:59.33 | antgel | asg: given some of the (b)anal discussion on d-d, i'm surprised. would have livened things up a little. |
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| 16:59.37 | cheal | !etch pool |
| 16:59.38 | dpkg | hmm... etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
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| 16:59.54 | antgel | jades: man chmod |
| 17:00.17 | asg | antgel: :) |
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| 17:00.36 | GREENTHING | I try to install debian on my new computer... a dell 9100 dual core... and The installer not recognize my Ethernet card... and it seem not recognize my motherboard... is there a site i could visit that could give me help |
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| 17:00.49 | primoturbo | Can you guys take some screenshots of your desktops? |
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| 17:00.55 | primoturbo | I want to see how debian setup looks |
| 17:01.08 | cheal | primoturbo: ask Wikipedia |
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| 17:01.24 | zinx | there is no debian look. |
| 17:01.24 | digitalnemesis | where is the location of the package sources list? |
| 17:01.32 | Danar | dmesg says the usb device was added, but i don't see it |
| 17:01.37 | doleyb | primoturbo: debian is one of the least-consistent looking desktops, along with gentoo |
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| 17:01.38 | antgel | asg: i've always known TDW to be "if you want it done better / different, do it yourself", and this is totally the other way |
| 17:01.42 | zinx | there are many default looks, depending on which packages you install.. but those can mostly be easily found on the internet already |
| 17:01.42 | cheal | digitalnemesis: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:01.46 | digitalnemesis | thanks |
| 17:01.47 | antgel | anyway i'm pushing against an open door |
| 17:01.47 | doleyb | primoturbo: many other distros have a default look, but not debian |
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| 17:02.13 | primoturbo | I see |
| 17:02.18 | primoturbo | I use gnome |
| 17:02.26 | asg | antgel: right, there appears to be no recourse at the moment. We're around, as I said, just not as active. |
| 17:02.32 | asg | antgel: you're doing a good job though :) |
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| 17:02.40 | caphuso | primoturbo: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/sshot.png |
| 17:02.45 | jades | antgel: i chmod a+rw on a /mnt/live subdir, but when i attempt to mount, it said 'you don't have proper permissions to mount on /mnt/live' |
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| 17:03.00 | antgel | asg: i do what i can. i work very hard but debian has done a lot for me etc |
| 17:03.03 | orchid | GREENTHING: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=debian+dell+9100&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 17:03.11 | josaphat | hola |
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| 17:03.16 | josaphat | hella |
| 17:03.26 | jerome | hum, how does USB device creation work when using hotplug/udev/usbfs ? once all modules and services launched, the device is being plugged on, the kernel sends some signal about a device being added, hotplug catches this signal and sends all necessary information to udev to actually populate /proc/bus/usb/00x/xx. Most information from hotplug to udev being readable on dmesg output. |
| 17:03.34 | asg | antgel: I know. Hopefully normalcy will be restored one of these days. |
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| 17:04.22 | antgel | asg: to clarify, i work very hard _in my job_ but try to find time in and out of work to help |
| 17:04.25 | junrpe | what exactly is dmesg and what does it stand for? |
| 17:04.33 | primoturbo | caphuso: What are u running, never seen anything like it. |
| 17:04.34 | antgel | junrpe: man dmesg |
| 17:04.34 | asg | antgel: same here |
| 17:04.42 | caphuso | primoturbo: ion3 |
| 17:04.44 | Thorrn4 | valdyn: are u still there? |
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| 17:05.05 | primoturbo | looks very hardcore |
| 17:05.12 | primoturbo | I could never use something like that |
| 17:05.14 | Danar | can anyone help me get a usb device working? |
| 17:05.17 | orchid | GREENTHING: the second link looks useful, also try the laptop archives http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 17:05.20 | primoturbo | is there even a mouse? |
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| 17:05.44 | junrpe | what does it mean by kernel ring buffer? |
| 17:05.46 | caphuso | primoturbo: i use unclutter |
| 17:05.50 | antgel | jades: we need real info e.g. exact commands you are using, what you are mounting |
| 17:06.14 | GREENTHING | thanx orchid... |
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| 17:06.37 | Gnea | hey, is s.d.o slow for anyone else today? |
| 17:06.54 | Danar | i've loaded the usb-storage & sd_mod modules, and dmesg says it added the usb device, but i don't see it in /dev. |
| 17:07.04 | antgel | asg: it's hard to assume what went on as nobody told me ;) but it seems that a few newbies with hurt pride get their pov listened to, and the experienced debian users don't. |
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| 17:07.33 | abrotman | antgel: shut it ... |
| 17:07.35 | abrotman | :) |
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| 17:07.54 | cheal | Gnea: likely |
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| 17:08.02 | antgel | abrotman: tuna baguette ;) |
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| 17:08.55 | abrotman | antgel: i had turkey club |
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| 17:09.29 | antgel | abrotman: does that contain iceberg lettuce? i _hate_ iceberg |
| 17:09.33 | primoturbo | Can someone pls tell me how to install drivers with 3d support for my 9700 Pro 128mb |
| 17:09.38 | abrotman | there was a bit .. it was more about the bacon! |
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| 17:09.46 | abrotman | primoturbo: /msg dpkg ait |
| 17:09.48 | abrotman | primoturbo: /msg dpkg ati |
| 17:09.58 | antgel | primoturbo: we have been trying to help you for the past hour. you have ignored most help |
| 17:09.59 | primoturbo | that doesn't help |
| 17:10.04 | Gnea | cheal: not likely - it either is or it isn't |
| 17:10.20 | abrotman | primoturbo: then try #ati |
| 17:10.23 | digitalnemesis | does anyone have the "testing" source lists with php5 in it? |
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| 17:10.30 | Danar | shouldn't the usb-storage & sd_mod modules create a /dev/sd* device when it's plugged in? |
| 17:10.31 | abrotman | primoturbo: the 3d drivers for your card are not free |
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| 17:10.42 | antgel | abrotman: good work. i find a lot of sandwiches get packed with iceberg. grr |
| 17:10.46 | abrotman | digitalnemesis: you mean dotdebs or experimental ? |
| 17:10.52 | primoturbo | how could that be |
| 17:10.56 | primoturbo | I paid for my video card |
| 17:11.00 | cheal | Gnea: ah |
| 17:11.07 | abrotman | antgel: actually .. nto that much .. and i had the tomato removed .. and on foccacia instead of grain |
| 17:11.13 | abrotman | primoturbo: ask #ati |
| 17:11.15 | digitalnemesis | yes |
| 17:11.17 | primoturbo | no one is there |
| 17:11.17 | d20 | ola |
| 17:11.19 | Gnea | cheal: this isn't some kiddie school issue |
| 17:11.26 | antgel | abrotman: like the focc, but you should have the tomato. very good for you :) |
| 17:11.27 | abrotman | primoturbo: there are plenty of people there |
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| 17:11.33 | asg | antgel: yeah, something like that |
| 17:11.34 | digitalnemesis | what are the original stable source lists please? I deleted mine my mistake |
| 17:11.34 | primoturbo | I asked |
| 17:11.36 | primoturbo | did u see? |
| 17:11.37 | abrotman | antgel: i can't eat whole tomatoes |
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| 17:11.39 | primoturbo | no one answered |
| 17:11.40 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:11.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:11.41 | wireddd | primoturbo, here is the link for doing what you want |
| 17:11.42 | wireddd | http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 17:11.45 | abrotman | primoturbo: which version of debian? |
| 17:11.47 | stew | digitalnemesis: apt-setup |
| 17:11.48 | antgel | abrotman: slice them |
| 17:11.51 | primoturbo | 3.1a |
| 17:11.57 | jor | primoturbo: wait longer then 1 min after asking a question :) |
| 17:12.02 | abrotman | antgel: no .. has to be crushed or something similar |
| 17:12.06 | abrotman | !tell primoturbo about ati |
| 17:12.08 | abrotman | !tell primoturbo about ati debs |
| 17:12.08 | digitalnemesis | thanks stew |
| 17:12.14 | primoturbo | wireddd: I don't under stand these instructions |
| 17:12.14 | asg | abrotman: or sun-dried |
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| 17:12.15 | primoturbo | http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 17:12.22 | abrotman | asg: just not whole and slimy |
| 17:12.32 | abrotman | primoturbo: see what dpkg told you |
| 17:12.57 | asg | abrotman: get cherry tomatos then |
| 17:13.01 | cheal | Gnea: well, did you read the security.d.o bandwidth saturation announce? |
| 17:13.05 | abrotman | asg: nope .. can't do it |
| 17:13.16 | antgel | abrotman: plum tomatoes? |
| 17:13.34 | primoturbo | yeah a bunch of stuff I already know |
| 17:13.36 | antgel | abrotman: is it a tongue thing? my dad has a crack in his tongue and doesn't eat 'em |
| 17:13.37 | digitalnemesis | can someone please tell me how to install php5, it says it cannot find it in the when I run apt-get install php5 |
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| 17:13.42 | digitalnemesis | which source has php5? |
| 17:13.47 | cheal | digitalnemesis: only unstable |
| 17:13.51 | asg | digitalnemesis: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 17:14.00 | Gnea | cheal: yes and it was apparantly fixed. the issue appears to be localized, not on their servers |
| 17:14.01 | primoturbo | what's the dif between X.Org 6.8.0 & XFree86 4.3.0 ? |
| 17:14.08 | primoturbo | and how do I find out which I have |
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| 17:14.20 | abrotman | antgel: texture i think .. which is odd since i love liver :) |
| 17:14.27 | cheal | primoturbo: the first is a fork based on the last |
| 17:14.34 | asg | primoturbo: X --version |
| 17:14.44 | stew | s/--/-/ |
| 17:14.47 | asg | thanks |
| 17:14.56 | asg | kbdrate a little high today |
| 17:14.59 | abrotman | antgel: and my sister once told me that when we were younger we were "force fed" salted tomatoes .. I rarely salt anything(potatoes are about it) and don't eat tomatoes |
| 17:15.24 | antgel | abrotman: i don't salt _anything_. i'm a bit special |
| 17:15.41 | primoturbo | what's the alternative to sudo |
| 17:15.42 | abrotman | antgel: just potatoes for me .. i think that's really about it |
| 17:15.52 | abrotman | and nto much at that |
| 17:16.09 | abrotman | though - i don't pepper anything either :) |
| 17:16.11 | primoturbo | http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xorg/index.html & http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xfree86/index.html |
| 17:16.15 | primoturbo | which one should I get? |
| 17:16.17 | junrpe | su root |
| 17:16.21 | primoturbo | su |
| 17:16.22 | airox | Anybody has experience with these error messages: |
| 17:16.25 | abrotman | primoturbo: which do you have .. xfree or xorg ? |
| 17:16.25 | airox | cpu 3: machine check exception: 00000000000000004 |
| 17:16.26 | airox | ? |
| 17:16.30 | primoturbo | I don't know |
| 17:16.41 | abrotman | dpkg -l | grep xserver |
| 17:16.42 | dpkg | grep xserver 2.2-1.1 abrotman's private stamp collection |
| 17:16.58 | abrotman | dpkg: why i ought to! |
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| 17:17.05 | antgel | heh |
| 17:17.15 | asg | abrotman: at least it wasn't your gamp collection |
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| 17:17.24 | abrotman | again |
| 17:17.27 | cheal | dondelelcaro: ping |
| 17:17.27 | abrotman | !gamp |
| 17:17.28 | dpkg | Gay Asian Midget Pr0n! |
| 17:17.28 | primoturbo | I tried X --version |
| 17:17.37 | asg | primoturbo: X -version |
| 17:17.37 | primoturbo | but it's acctually -version |
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| 17:17.50 | primoturbo | says I have it |
| 17:17.57 | abrotman | says you have what? |
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| 17:18.04 | abrotman | !vagueness |
| 17:18.04 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
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| 17:20.14 | MrXerox | Ok guys, just installed base debain sarge with no extras, compiled my kernel and booted it and then did a apt-get install kde but I dont see a XF86Config file anywhere and it does not seem like X is even installed..? What gives? |
| 17:20.34 | FarrisG | I use Evolution at work and Thunderbird at home to connect to the same IMAP account/server. For some reason, whenever I delete or move an email at home, it's still in my mailbox at work undeer Evo no matter how many times I try to resync. Any idea what's going on here? |
| 17:20.38 | antgel | MrXerox: you didn't read the docs. aptitude install x-window-system-core |
| 17:20.39 | asg | MrXerox: install x-window-system or x-window-system-core |
| 17:20.53 | MrXerox | sorry guys |
| 17:20.58 | antgel | FarrisG: what do you mean "resync"? |
| 17:21.07 | antgel | !tell MrXerox about grounding |
| 17:21.23 | cheal | !grounding |
| 17:21.23 | dpkg | from memory, grounding is before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto, /msg dpkg docs, /msg dpkg unix lessons |
| 17:21.29 | abrotman | MrXerox: did you install x-window-system-core ? |
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| 17:21.37 | FarrisG | antgel: Check mail, or use Evo to synchronize all mail locally |
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| 17:22.03 | abrotman | are you sure those are IMAP folders in T-bird ? |
| 17:22.15 | antgel | FarrisG: what if you close evo while deletion takes place? |
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| 17:22.57 | primoturbo | How come I get http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xorg/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found |
| 17:23.06 | primoturbo | did he remove them or what? |
| 17:23.19 | cheal | primoturbo: ask the sysadmin |
| 17:24.03 | primoturbo | sysadmin: what's wrong here? |
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| 17:24.22 | primoturbo | is he even on the channel? |
| 17:24.23 | antgel | primoturbo: i hope that was a joke but i doubt it |
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| 17:24.51 | primoturbo | it was a joke hehe |
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| 17:24.55 | primoturbo | man this whole ati thing is a waste of time |
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| 17:25.11 | antgel | primoturbo: *nod* |
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| 17:27.24 | FarrisG | antgel: Closing evo WHILE i delete works. But that's a pain in the ass. I like leaving the app running. |
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| 17:27.58 | antgel | FarrisG: then fix the app :) |
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| 17:29.12 | primoturbo | How do I figure out if I'm using XF86Config or xorg ? |
| 17:29.17 | abrotman | we told you |
| 17:29.21 | abrotman | twice /thrice |
| 17:29.26 | primoturbo | haha |
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| 17:29.36 | primoturbo | You didn't answer me |
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| 17:29.36 | loxen | are there any good info on howto migrate from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 ? |
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| 17:29.46 | primoturbo | x -version right? |
| 17:29.48 | antgel | loxen: just install the kernel-image |
| 17:29.59 | abrotman | primoturbo: we answered you three times .. at least |
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| 17:30.04 | abrotman | i watched everyone else say it |
| 17:30.12 | loxen | antgel: will module-init-tools etc get installed aswell then ? |
| 17:30.27 | primoturbo | alright man |
| 17:30.31 | primoturbo | chilax |
| 17:30.41 | antgel | loxen: i reckon. why don't you have a go |
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| 17:31.15 | loxen | antgel: okay ill do that :) |
| 17:31.34 | asg | antgel: I'd be happy to (email it to asg@gimp.shacknet.nu) |
| 17:31.37 | abrotman | antgel: theopencd.org! |
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| 17:31.45 | abrotman | antgel: viewable online ? |
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| 17:31.57 | kemikals | Hey, just switched from freebsd and am having problems setting up the soundcard. I get this error when I try http://pastebin.com/389254 |
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| 17:32.20 | antgel | abrotman: it will be once it's finished. i'm looking to get a few beta reads. it's having to be written in a hurry, you see |
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| 17:32.31 | abrotman | antgel: which format is it in currently ? |
| 17:32.36 | antgel | abrotman: .tex |
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| 17:32.45 | antgel | latex more accurately |
| 17:32.48 | asg | antgel: cool |
| 17:32.56 | abrotman | kemikals: did you compile alsa on your own ? |
| 17:33.01 | kemikals | Yes |
| 17:33.06 | abrotman | antgel: hrm .. i don't think i have a .tex reader here |
| 17:33.09 | abrotman | kemikals: why? :) |
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| 17:33.17 | kemikals | dunno? lol |
| 17:33.20 | primoturbo | how do I delete linux? |
| 17:33.21 | asg | abrotman: pager :p |
| 17:33.21 | kemikals | all the cool kids were doing it :( |
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| 17:33.29 | asg | !custom kernel |
| 17:33.29 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 17:33.29 | primoturbo | how do I delete debain and get something else |
| 17:33.30 | AciD | primoturbo > rm-rf / |
| 17:33.43 | abrotman | kemikals: honestly .. the easiest way i've gotten alsa to work is to install a 2.6 kernel |
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| 17:33.49 | antgel | abrotman: i will provide a dvi :) |
| 17:33.50 | primoturbo | Should I try OpenBSD? |
| 17:33.51 | abrotman | AciD: don't do that |
| 17:33.53 | mathieu | hi, got problems with flash player in FF 1.0.7, i can't see any text |
| 17:33.56 | asg | primoturbo: hahah |
| 17:33.56 | ruut_ | i've updated various x libs last weekend (using testing/unstable) and now x does not start anymore. any ideas? |
| 17:33.57 | abrotman | primoturbo: ask them |
| 17:34.02 | kemikals | FreeBSD ;p |
| 17:34.09 | AciD | abrotman > I won't do that ever :) |
| 17:34.12 | abrotman | primoturbo: ubuntu ? |
| 17:34.20 | abrotman | AciD: he's not bright enough to figure out you're joking |
| 17:34.20 | primoturbo | ubuntu is for noobs |
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| 17:34.24 | abrotman | you are a noob |
| 17:34.29 | kemikals | xD |
| 17:34.30 | primoturbo | lol no way |
| 17:34.30 | syntaxx | hehe |
| 17:34.31 | jethro | haha |
| 17:34.32 | abrotman | you can't even figure out if you're running xorg or xfree |
| 17:34.34 | primoturbo | I hacked cnn once |
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| 17:34.39 | cheal | mathieu: nobody supports proprietary mozilla plugins |
| 17:34.40 | kemikals | wow... |
| 17:34.41 | ruut_ | startx only outputs "xinit: Server Error." |
| 17:34.44 | asg | !pal primoturbo |
| 17:34.44 | jethro | !pal primoturbo |
| 17:34.46 | fooscope | abrotman: it's ok -> rm-rf: Command not found |
| 17:34.48 | jethro | asg: :) |
| 17:34.52 | primoturbo | !pal asg |
| 17:34.57 | primoturbo | !pal jethro |
| 17:34.58 | abrotman | primoturbo: stop being a tard |
| 17:35.04 | antgel | abrotman: good site, useful for my migration section |
| 17:35.05 | primoturbo | tard? |
| 17:35.06 | kemikals | :) hey primoturbo by hacking cnn, do you mean you pinged the server? |
| 17:35.10 | mathieu | cheal: too bad :-/ thanks though |
| 17:35.16 | primoturbo | yeah killer ping |
| 17:35.20 | fbi | he's canadian, he can't help being a tard. |
| 17:35.20 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 17:35.25 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 17:35.25 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 17:35.33 | kemikals | lol |
| 17:35.33 | primoturbo | I did ping www.cnn.com in cmd and took it down for a year |
| 17:35.36 | fbi | !lol |
| 17:35.36 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:35.45 | jethro | primoturbo: just shut up and leave please |
| 17:35.47 | FarrisG | antgel: So then is it Tbird or Evo that's causing the problem? |
| 17:36.00 | primoturbo | hehe I'm just messing around |
| 17:36.04 | fbi | You've got mail! |
| 17:36.08 | primoturbo | I'm a complete noob |
| 17:36.12 | jethro | primoturbo: I think I noticed it |
| 17:36.14 | abrotman | primoturbo: if you have no interest in debian .. try #hottub |
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| 17:36.28 | fbi | abrotman: more like #bearcave on efnet |
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| 17:36.31 | primoturbo | I want to learn debian it's just frustrating |
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| 17:36.40 | antgel | FarrisG: it's the fact that evo doesn't refresh after the imap folder purge (or something). i'm not an imap expert (thank fuck) |
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| 17:36.43 | primoturbo | slackware was a nightmare |
| 17:36.53 | kemikals | 2.6.8 the kernel to get? |
| 17:36.59 | antgel | primoturbo: can't you live without 3d accel for a while? |
| 17:37.10 | abrotman | you only need it if you're playing games |
| 17:37.12 | primoturbo | I'll get 3d accel soon |
| 17:37.16 | primoturbo | I think I know what to do now |
| 17:37.18 | kemikals | or want sexy screensavers :) |
| 17:37.24 | primoturbo | get a nvidia card |
| 17:37.26 | abrotman | oh .. the screensavers still work |
| 17:37.30 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:37.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 17:37.37 | kemikals | what about ati? |
| 17:37.38 | kemikals | lol |
| 17:37.43 | primoturbo | I just ordered the 6800 |
| 17:37.45 | abrotman | he has that now .. it's too hard |
| 17:37.47 | primoturbo | for $500 CAD |
| 17:37.50 | abrotman | he can't read |
| 17:37.53 | kemikals | lol |
| 17:37.54 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 17:37.55 | dpkg | Aww, reading is hard! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 17:38.00 | primoturbo | express dilivery |
| 17:38.00 | jades | when i su and try to run x-apps, i get 'cannot open display:' msgs, i set DISPLAY, but still doesn't work. is there an easy fix? |
| 17:38.04 | abrotman | !sux |
| 17:38.04 | primoturbo | should be here tomorow |
| 17:38.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 17:38.09 | primoturbo | !gay |
| 17:38.10 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 17:38.16 | primoturbo | hehe |
| 17:38.19 | syntaxx | jades: try sux |
| 17:38.21 | kemikals | weee |
| 17:38.22 | abrotman | primoturbo: stop being an ass .. if you can't figure out debian .. stop bothering us |
| 17:38.25 | kemikals | installing a kernel, what fun |
| 17:38.26 | jades | syntaxx, thanks |
| 17:38.28 | kemikals | lol |
| 17:38.33 | kemikals | debian is rather easy |
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| 17:38.37 | primoturbo | abrotman: I'm not being an ass |
| 17:38.37 | kemikals | if you have a brain that is |
| 17:38.37 | jades | wtf? no sux |
| 17:38.39 | jades | heh |
| 17:38.42 | abrotman | install it |
| 17:38.48 | syntaxx | jades: apt-get install sux hehe |
| 17:38.49 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 17:38.55 | abrotman | you guys enjoy him :) |
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| 17:38.59 | kemikals | hey primoturbo, doesnt ati even have a driver out for it? |
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| 17:39.12 | abrotman | yes .. he can't figure out anything .. |
| 17:39.17 | asg | abrotman: he's been qotd'd |
| 17:39.28 | kemikals | brb reboot |
| 17:39.32 | abrotman | he can't even figure out if he's running xorg or xfree .. even though he's been told 5 times how to do it |
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| 17:39.43 | antgel | asg: what qotd? |
| 17:39.44 | kemikals | if hes on X just type ps x |
| 17:39.47 | kemikals | ... |
| 17:39.53 | kemikals | should see xorg or xfree right there lol |
| 17:39.59 | asg | antgel: a selection of good #debian quotes |
| 17:40.02 | primoturbo | I think I got this now acctually |
| 17:40.06 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 17:40.06 | dpkg | <PerfDave> scooper: You're running XP on your firewall? <scooper> PerfDave kind of, XP is my desktop, it has the ADSL and shares this with the rest of the network |
| 17:40.06 | asg | antgel: /msg dpkg qotd |
| 17:40.10 | kemikals | mom helping ya now? |
| 17:40.18 | abrotman | antgel: also |
| 17:40.19 | abrotman | !flw |
| 17:40.19 | dpkg | <SquireCD> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib <tarzeau> SquireCD: YOUR SOURCES.LIST IS WRONG! <SquireCD> tarzeau: WTF is wrong with it? <greycat> for one thing, it says "unstable". <SquireCD> yes it does, and it's always worked <SquireCD> for 3 years it's been fine <SquireCD> i have contrib in my sources, what does that do? |
| 17:40.20 | antgel | asg: no, i mean what number is he? |
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| 17:40.29 | asg | antgel: 34 |
| 17:40.39 | fbi | haha @ that quote |
| 17:40.41 | asg | antgel: if you want to add more that what is there, feel free :) |
| 17:40.45 | fbi | what a douchebag |
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| 17:41.12 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 17:41.13 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> hey isn't there some way to get a 4g file on fat32? like some different version of fat32 or something? |
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| 17:41.27 | abrotman | aw . jetscreamer didn't come back yet |
| 17:41.27 | xeonix | hi@all |
| 17:41.32 | fbi | omghi2u |
| 17:41.33 | abrotman | afaik .. he got unbanned |
| 17:42.02 | blaamann | I upgraded two old boxes to testing, but in one of them the x-window-system-core package is always kept back, what did I do wrong ? |
| 17:42.06 | legind | hey there |
| 17:42.10 | tarzeau | hmm |
| 17:42.13 | syntaxx | nice pinnacle capture card is supported |
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| 17:42.21 | hramrach | Hello |
| 17:42.33 | abrotman | !held back |
| 17:42.33 | dpkg | kept back is probably when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 17:42.33 | hramrach | How do I set the console to text mode? |
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| 17:42.48 | tarzeau | hramrach: which kernel exactly? |
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| 17:43.00 | primoturbo | brb if I don't come back for a long time then my computer was destroyed in the process of getting 3d support, build a monument for me if that happens |
| 17:43.01 | kemikals | wow that was a wrong btuton |
| 17:43.05 | jades | abrotman, thanks sux works. |
| 17:43.06 | tarzeau | legind: where to read it up? |
| 17:43.13 | hramrach | mach64 fb. some 2.6.13 kernel |
| 17:43.21 | kemikals | lol that was great, installed 2.6 kernel, 90% of problems went away |
| 17:43.23 | abrotman | yay |
| 17:43.34 | abrotman | kemikals: don't tell #freebsd .. it's a secret |
| 17:43.36 | tarzeau | kemikals: what had you before? 2.2.20 ? |
| 17:43.41 | asg | !idepci |
| 17:43.41 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 17:43.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: 2.4.27-2 |
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| 17:43.50 | legind | tarzeau, we havn't written anything yet... just did the interview today. but we'll probably upload the vid soon |
| 17:43.58 | kemikals | 2.4 |
| 17:44.12 | kemikals | just installed like 30 mins ago |
| 17:44.29 | tarzeau | kemikals: can you give details of these 90% problems? |
| 17:44.29 | kemikals | abrotman, thing is, with freebsd :) never had any problems |
| 17:44.45 | tarzeau | kemikals: i'm really curious, because i had no problems at all with 2.4, that would've been solved with 2.6 |
| 17:44.53 | kemikals | for one thing the soundcard |
| 17:44.57 | kemikals | now let me go through dmesg |
| 17:44.58 | kemikals | brb |
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| 17:45.22 | kemikals | It was like doing something weird with a few irqs |
| 17:45.41 | hramrach | But 2.6 is at leats in the state that it is unlikely to cause more trouble than 2.4 |
| 17:45.42 | abrotman | kemikals: alsa+2.4 isn't the best combo .. |
| 17:46.05 | jvai | heyu every1 |
| 17:46.13 | kemikals | Oh well, *is happy now* music while i work :) |
| 17:46.15 | abrotman | !moron speak |
| 17:46.16 | dpkg | speak: You are moron #25 |
| 17:46.21 | abrotman | !screw me |
| 17:46.21 | dpkg | Oh yeah baby! Hot steamy sex |
| 17:46.27 | jvai | smh |
| 17:46.37 | abrotman | kemikals: anything else we can help you with ? |
| 17:46.37 | jvai | *watchin n the cut |
| 17:46.41 | kemikals | nope |
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| 17:46.50 | kemikals | just reading through docs and manuals now |
| 17:46.54 | abrotman | kemikals: that's it .. everything works? |
| 17:46.56 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 17:46.56 | dpkg | [refcard] http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
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| 17:47.00 | kemikals | yup yup |
| 17:47.00 | abrotman | kemikals: ^^ might help you |
| 17:47.10 | abrotman | dunno how familiar you are with debian |
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| 17:47.15 | kemikals | not very at all |
| 17:47.21 | Paindemon | Hello. |
| 17:47.25 | RWG | :) |
| 17:47.29 | kemikals | I like it so far :) have been trying to find a good linux distro to work with |
| 17:47.34 | Paindemon | Kemikals |
| 17:47.39 | abrotman | the refcard has a printable sheet .. you can use it for quick reference to find simple commands for debian stuff |
| 17:47.41 | Paindemon | Come to car. |
| 17:47.41 | kemikals | tried gentoo, slackware, and something else bleh none of them liked me |
| 17:47.47 | abrotman | come to car? |
| 17:47.52 | Paindemon | #car |
| 17:48.01 | RWG | Something is odd there |
| 17:48.01 | abrotman | why? |
| 17:48.02 | Paindemon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.07 | kemikals | Used freebsd for 8 years or so, lots of similar commands, so im good |
| 17:48.07 | Paindemon | I know |
| 17:48.07 | abrotman | kemikals: do you know him? |
| 17:48.12 | RWG | Who is Phuk? |
| 17:48.14 | kemikals | umm |
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| 17:48.18 | RWG | And why are they so sick |
| 17:48.19 | kemikals | dont think so |
| 17:48.23 | TwistedEmotions | What is #car? |
| 17:48.27 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: ignore |
| 17:48.31 | asg | TwistedEmotions: /topic #car |
| 17:48.38 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Ahhh... |
| 17:48.53 | abrotman | did they all just leave? |
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| 17:49.13 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: You just left and re-entered |
| 17:49.19 | TwistedEmotions | * abrotman (n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) has left #debian |
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| 17:49.23 | Paindemon | I AM OUT! |
| 17:49.25 | asg | TwistedEmotions: he was on about the bots |
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| 17:49.29 | abrotman | okeedokee |
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| 17:49.39 | RWG | what a weird person, that Paindemon |
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| 17:51.24 | abrotman | !tell RWG about away |
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| 17:51.37 | RWG | oops |
| 17:51.40 | RWG | sorry |
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| 17:52.48 | hramrach | Is it at all possible to change back to text once a graphics mode is set by fb? |
| 17:53.11 | kemikals | absolutely, dont know how though |
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| 17:53.26 | petemc | hramrach: i would imagine you would need a reboot, ive not tried tho |
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| 17:54.56 | hramrach | I think it used to work. But I cannot find anything I could tell to fbset to do it. |
| 17:54.56 | abrotman | petemc: cheesesteak! |
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| 17:55.00 | petemc | :) |
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| 17:55.05 | abrotman | petemc: tastycakes! |
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| 17:55.15 | petemc | i had a pseudo cheesesteak from subway today, wasnt great |
| 17:55.21 | abrotman | i can't imagine it was |
| 17:55.22 | jvai | now has an appitite |
| 17:55.22 | hramrach | Maybe the mach64 fb does not support it.. |
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| 17:55.43 | asg | petemc: their tuna is pretty good though |
| 17:55.54 | petemc | i dont midn subway, as fast food goes |
| 17:55.57 | petemc | mind |
| 17:56.03 | aimtrainer | hi I got a problem on my mepis system which I before also had with knoppix. -That's why I aks in #debian : I can't delete files from usb storage plugged to my pc properly. When I delete a bunch of mp3s from my mp3-player, unplug it and plug it in again the music is still there but corrupt. When I dont unplug it but directly write new mp3s on it after deleting the old ones I get a mixture of both with the filenames and the id3 tags of |
| 17:56.04 | aimtrainer | the new mp3s. Can any1 help me plz? |
| 17:56.09 | asg | aimtrainer: #mepis |
| 17:56.21 | jvai | yea, yuna on honey oat, & sum starbucks tea, awake :), & the wifi |
| 17:56.25 | abrotman | and try .. sync :) |
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| 17:56.53 | asg | jvai: I prefer substituting the tea for beer but otherwise, not bad. |
| 17:57.00 | aimtrainer | asg I already asked in mepis and I had this exact problem with another distro |
| 17:57.19 | asg | aimtrainer: I've never had that problem on plain Debian, odd. |
| 17:57.24 | abrotman | aimtrainer: are you unmounting your player before unplugging it ? |
| 17:57.26 | jvai | lol.. tru asg.. tru |
| 17:57.47 | aimtrainer | abrotman no |
| 17:57.50 | petemc | abrotman: are you unmounting it before unpugging it? |
| 17:57.53 | petemc | gah |
| 17:57.54 | aimtrainer | i ll try |
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| 17:58.12 | abrotman | petemc: i do |
| 17:58.34 | petemc | abrotman: i dont doubt it, that was meant for aimtraine... |
| 17:58.41 | abrotman | i got a girlfriend! |
| 17:58.50 | abrotman | wait .. what kind of tuna? |
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| 17:58.58 | resiak | abrotman: You did ? |
| 17:59.04 | abrotman | resiak: catch up |
| 17:59.05 | resiak | abrotman: Or is the tuna your girclfriend? |
| 17:59.12 | resiak | abrotman: i'll enquire later :) |
| 17:59.15 | adi_ | hell |
| 17:59.16 | adi_ | o |
| 17:59.17 | abrotman | i just smelled it .. thought i got a g/f |
| 17:59.28 | adi_ | my 2nde network card ain't detected, how should i "suggest" him to detect it ? |
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| 17:59.42 | jvai | lol..uall r off da chain! |
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| 17:59.56 | asg | adi_: dmesg (does a second card appear)? check the output of lspci -v (does the second one appear there)? |
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| 18:00.23 | TwistedEmotions | If I wanted to only allow for certain IP' |
| 18:00.27 | TwistedEmotions | whoops |
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| 18:01.00 | TwistedEmotions | we... for certain IP's to SSH into my machine... then what file would I edit for SSH? |
| 18:01.11 | asg | TwistedEmotions: man sshd_config |
| 18:01.12 | TwistedEmotions | assuming I DIDNT want to do it through the firewall file? |
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| 18:01.30 | primoturbo | Why is when I do ctrl + alt + backspace my computer shutdowns instead of restarting x? |
| 18:01.38 | primoturbo | how would I simply restart x |
| 18:01.46 | kemikals | yup, this guy hacked cnn |
| 18:01.49 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 18:02.01 | primoturbo | bbc no cnn |
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| 18:02.11 | kemikals | you said cnn earlier ;p |
| 18:02.13 | valdyn | primoturbo: are you now using fglrx? |
| 18:02.20 | primoturbo | no it didn't work |
| 18:02.28 | primoturbo | i had to boot into mepis and edit it back to ati |
| 18:02.32 | primoturbo | no idea why |
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| 18:02.40 | primoturbo | I followed this http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ATI_Radeon.shtml |
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| 18:02.55 | abrotman | primoturbo: are you using mepis ? and not sarge ? |
| 18:03.01 | valdyn | primoturbo: while everyone told you to use a debia specific howto? |
| 18:03.11 | eeyore- | aimtrainer: could be your mp3 device firmware is just plain buggy? |
| 18:03.12 | asg | abrotman: he use mephis to edit his X config since it was broken in sarge |
| 18:03.12 | primoturbo | umm no I booted into mepis live cd |
| 18:03.15 | abrotman | valdyn: he's got brain freeze from living in canada |
| 18:03.24 | primoturbo | i'm on debian now |
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| 18:03.26 | abrotman | asg: oh .. yesh .. makesh shenshe |
| 18:03.32 | abrotman | eeyore-: 5 made it! |
| 18:03.39 | asg | preemptive blood pressure saving *plonk* |
| 18:03.42 | drp2 | chroot: cannot run command /sbin/init: no such file or directory |
| 18:03.45 | eeyore- | abrotman: yeah, bummer :-) no race next year |
| 18:03.46 | Eno_ | do options umask and gid not work with bind with mount? |
| 18:03.49 | drp2 | kernel panic: attempted to kill init |
| 18:03.56 | abrotman | eeyore-: why not? |
| 18:03.56 | Eno_ | they don't seem to have any effect on my files |
| 18:03.57 | valdyn | primoturbo: that link you just posted describes installing fglrx for a kernel that is not in debian |
| 18:04.01 | adi_ | asg : dmesg returns eth0 and eth1 |
| 18:04.09 | drp2 | where to start |
| 18:04.14 | eeyore- | abrotman: it's already been proven. darpa got what it wanted, why do another? |
| 18:04.26 | asg | adi_: does /sbin/ifconfig -a show eth1 as well as eth0? |
| 18:04.26 | abrotman | eeyore-: faster? better? correcter? |
| 18:04.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: it was only 132 miles |
| 18:04.50 | primoturbo | I see |
| 18:05.00 | primoturbo | if I do it with out the kernel could it work? |
| 18:05.05 | Eno_ | "/home/michael/video /media/michael/video auto,umask=113,gid=share bind 0 0" -- what's wrong with this fstab line? it doesn't have any effect on my permissions |
| 18:05.15 | AzMoo | asg, it'll show all of your network interfaces. |
| 18:05.23 | valdyn | primoturbo: let someone who has a clue do it, seriously |
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| 18:05.26 | AzMoo | asg, sorry |
| 18:05.27 | valdyn | primoturbo: no offense.. |
| 18:05.29 | abrotman | primoturbo: if you /j #ubuntu .. you'll probably be *much* better off |
| 18:05.30 | eeyore- | Eno_: forgot the "," between "share" and "bind" |
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| 18:05.38 | AzMoo | asg, crazy brain at hte moment. |
| 18:05.38 | primoturbo | I'm on debian |
| 18:05.47 | Bhaal | How do I tell what version of gcc a kernel was compiled with? |
| 18:05.49 | Eno_ | eeyore-: isn't "bind" the fs type? |
| 18:06.00 | Eno_ | eeyore-: hm |
| 18:06.02 | abrotman | Bhaal: cat /proc/version ? |
| 18:06.03 | primoturbo | valdyn: no offense taken but I don't know anyone who knows how to use linux |
| 18:06.19 | aimtrainer | eeyore- dont think so cos I have the same problem with my cardreader but thx |
| 18:06.42 | Bhaal | abrotman: Thanks |
| 18:06.50 | BuzzBud | Anyone know how to inject a package? as in a fake install, to get rid of a silly dependency :P |
| 18:06.55 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 18:06.55 | dpkg | hmm... equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 18:06.59 | primoturbo | I'm going to try it with out the kernel see if it works |
| 18:07.01 | valdyn | primoturbo: i assume you still have flavios debs install and also module-assistant, do you? |
| 18:07.01 | BuzzBud | ooo |
| 18:07.14 | primoturbo | no |
| 18:07.16 | primoturbo | I don't |
| 18:07.20 | primoturbo | I deleted them just now |
| 18:07.31 | abrotman | i think the kernel is all to blame |
| 18:07.36 | valdyn | primoturbo: remove everything, install flavios debs |
| 18:07.43 | abrotman | or install ubuntu ? |
| 18:07.54 | primoturbo | I don't think so |
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| 18:08.03 | valdyn | primoturbo: and i pray you never messed with ati.com's rpm |
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| 18:08.10 | primoturbo | I never quit anything |
| 18:08.15 | primoturbo | not even smoking |
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| 18:08.32 | primoturbo | I'm not a quiter is what I'm trying to say |
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| 18:08.54 | valdyn | primoturbo: you gonna do what i said? if not i wont bother.. |
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| 18:09.05 | primoturbo | I'm doing it already |
| 18:09.09 | primoturbo | installing the debs |
| 18:09.13 | valdyn | primoturbo: alright, let me know when you are done |
| 18:09.18 | primoturbo | okay |
| 18:09.26 | Eno_ | eeyore-: /home/michael/video /media/michael/video auto bind,umask=000,gid=share 0 0" <-- this does not work either... |
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| 18:09.42 | primoturbo | do I need all of them? or just 1 for the driver? |
| 18:09.58 | primoturbo | this is what I got so far fglrx-driver_8.14.13-1_i386.deb |
| 18:10.10 | valdyn | primoturbo: all but the binary kernel modules, if you dont know which one that is, install it too , wont hurt |
| 18:10.32 | drp2 | can anyone help me get started on this problem |
| 18:10.45 | valdyn | primoturbo: that driver deb is only the part for X itself, its not suffiecient |
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| 18:10.52 | kemikals | what problem drp2 |
| 18:10.57 | drp2 | chroot: cannot run command /sbin/init: no such file or directory |
| 18:10.59 | drp2 | kernel panic: attempted to kill init |
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| 18:11.15 | drp2 | I get that at boot |
| 18:11.21 | primoturbo | but I don't think I need them because they are source, dev and control panel which I never use |
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| 18:11.30 | AzMoo | How on earth did you lose init? |
| 18:11.42 | valdyn | primoturbo: you dont need the control panel, you need the source |
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| 18:11.52 | kemikals | wow |
| 18:12.15 | primoturbo | alright I'll let u know when I got it all |
| 18:12.20 | primoturbo | I'm using synaptic to get it |
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| 18:12.43 | drp2 | AzMoo, I'm not sure |
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| 18:12.58 | abrotman | primoturbo: i thought you didn't ahve X ? |
| 18:13.28 | primoturbo | I do |
| 18:13.34 | valdyn | primoturbo: fglrx-driver... and fglrx-kernel-src are the essential ones |
| 18:13.57 | primoturbo | The thing is I got this last time |
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| 18:14.19 | primoturbo | then I edited xfree86 |
| 18:14.25 | primoturbo | and changed the driver name |
| 18:14.29 | primoturbo | restarted and x wouldn't boot |
| 18:14.35 | kemikals | hey primoturbo, i'm doing the same thing your doing now ;) |
| 18:14.37 | kemikals | lets see who gets done first |
| 18:14.39 | valdyn | primoturbo: you done? |
| 18:14.42 | primoturbo | so I had to use a live cd (mephis) |
| 18:14.52 | primoturbo | in a sec |
| 18:15.00 | myren | awh hell yeah! I got xmms down to 9% cpu usage! |
| 18:15.10 | primoturbo | okay done |
| 18:15.17 | myren | I couldnt even get my console mp3 players to do that |
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| 18:15.22 | valdyn | primoturbo: run 'm-a prepare' |
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| 18:15.41 | primoturbo | what does it do? |
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| 18:15.57 | valdyn | primoturbo: what it said, i dont know details, nor do i care |
| 18:15.59 | primoturbo | bash: m-a: command not found |
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| 18:16.09 | primoturbo | is what I get -> bash: m-a: command not found |
| 18:16.13 | valdyn | primoturbo: 'apt-get install module-assistant' |
| 18:16.20 | eeyore- | Eno_: what kind of filesystem is it? |
| 18:16.27 | Eno_ | eeyore-: ext3 |
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| 18:16.42 | primoturbo | okay |
| 18:16.54 | primoturbo | it's downloading now |
| 18:17.02 | drp2 | is this going to require a re-install |
| 18:17.06 | eeyore- | Eno_: you can also enforce "umask" and gid for certain filesystems (that support them) like msdos/vfat |
| 18:17.12 | primoturbo | done |
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| 18:17.22 | eeyore- | Eno_: why do you think you can override that with linux-native filesystems? :-) |
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| 18:17.22 | valdyn | primoturbo: 'm-a prepare' |
| 18:17.29 | primoturbo | yes I just did it |
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| 18:17.30 | primoturbo | it's done |
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| 18:17.40 | valdyn | primoturbo: 'm-a a-i fglrx' |
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| 18:17.48 | Eno_ | eeyore-: so i can't? |
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| 18:18.14 | eeyore- | Eno_: "man mount" and look at the various "mount options for ..." sections |
| 18:18.17 | primoturbo | okay done |
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| 18:18.25 | valdyn | primoturbo: 'modprobe fglrx' |
| 18:18.29 | Eno_ | eeyore-: yeah -- ext3 doesn't have umask or gid |
| 18:18.33 | bl4z | my computer dont see any dns servers ... any clues? |
| 18:18.45 | hramrach | hmm, now I have removed the fb from kernel and rebooted I can put the machine to S3 and wake it up again |
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| 18:19.05 | hramrach | Apparently no FB for me, no Debian logo :( |
| 18:19.08 | drp2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.14 | valdyn | primoturbo: are you typing these commands in your console or in an X terminal? |
| 18:19.27 | eeyore- | hramrach: vesafb |
| 18:19.31 | primoturbo | terminal |
| 18:19.38 | primoturbo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.38 | primoturbo | Module fglrx loaded, with warnings |
| 18:19.44 | hramrach | I doubt this can do vesa |
| 18:19.59 | primoturbo | I sent u a msg telling u what I get with modprobe fglrx |
| 18:20.00 | eeyore- | hramrach: you 'doubt', or you 'know' |
| 18:20.09 | bl4z | drp2 .. its unchaned |
| 18:20.18 | primoturbo | valdyn: is that fine? |
| 18:20.22 | drp2 | bl4z, it has nothign in it? |
| 18:20.24 | valdyn | primoturbo: that is fine, fglrx is for the most part binary only, so it does 'taint' your kernel, that is as expected |
| 18:20.30 | primoturbo | okay |
| 18:20.34 | primoturbo | what else do I need to do? |
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| 18:20.48 | valdyn | primoturbo: 'dmesg' should show something about it |
| 18:20.52 | valdyn | primoturbo: so run 'dmesg' |
| 18:20.59 | bl4z | got 2 valid nameservers that have worked for years now |
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| 18:21.07 | bl4z | and i can dig them form another machine |
| 18:21.15 | drp2 | hmm |
| 18:21.33 | primoturbo | with dmesg i get a ton of stuff |
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| 18:21.35 | hramrach | eeyore-: and I am too lazy to compile yet another kernel. Perhaps next time. |
| 18:21.37 | primoturbo | what should I be looking for? |
| 18:21.45 | valdyn | primoturbo: fglrx stuff should be at the bottom |
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| 18:21.54 | primoturbo | [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 680 MBytes. |
| 18:21.54 | primoturbo | [fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.16.20 [Aug 16 2005] on minor 0 |
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| 18:21.56 | guru | is anyone here running kernel 2.6.12 or higher? |
| 18:21.56 | hramrach | suspending is more important for me than logo :) |
| 18:22.08 | primoturbo | is what I see at the bottom |
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| 18:22.17 | valdyn | primoturbo: thats fine i guess |
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| 18:22.32 | primoturbo | do I need to edit my Xfree86 file? |
| 18:22.43 | valdyn | primoturbo: did you edit it manually earlier? |
| 18:22.52 | primoturbo | yes but I had to edit it back |
| 18:22.57 | primoturbo | because it wouldn't boot |
| 18:23.13 | MikkelK | when i want to compile and install a program, i do './configure' and 'make' as a normal user and 'make install' as root, right? |
| 18:23.40 | drp2 | MikkelK, sounds good to me |
| 18:23.44 | primoturbo | should I edit it again? |
| 18:23.51 | darkskiez | MikkelK: no you read the README and do what it says |
| 18:23.51 | primoturbo | Identifier"Generic Video Card" |
| 18:23.51 | primoturbo | Driver"ati" |
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| 18:23.55 | strepsils | MikkelK .. you start reading README and INSTALL normally |
| 18:23.57 | primoturbo | I need to edit the driver no? |
| 18:24.07 | valdyn | primoturbo: ok, edit it manually again, BUT first read "5. Configure X" on flavio's site and keep in mind that switching to consoles ( ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-fx ) might not work with fglrx |
| 18:24.12 | eeyore- | MikkelK: if the target installation directory requires root, yes. but, you could make it so the target install directory (and subdirectories) are g+ws software, for example. put yourself in "software" group, and you don't need to "su" to root for the install |
| 18:24.18 | eeyore- | MikkelK: "UNIX permissions 101" |
| 18:24.21 | MikkelK | strepsils and darkness i did, but it didn't say anything about what user i should be |
| 18:24.22 | ledet | MikkelK: consider using a premade package any time possible |
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| 18:24.28 | zurita | what progam can i use in knoppix for copy cds? |
| 18:24.41 | abrotman | #knoppix will know |
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| 18:25.00 | MikkelK | thanks y'all |
| 18:25.02 | greenfly | zurita: K3b, but generally it's better to ask knoppix questions in #knoppix |
| 18:25.09 | guru | with kernel 2.6.12 or above when booting it seems to stop at "Allocating PCI resources starting at 20000000 (gap: 20000000:dec00000)". i have the same behavior with building my own kernel as well as running a stock build from apt |
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| 18:25.17 | valdyn | primoturbo: i suppose you can leave your XF86Config-4 unmodified ( except for switching to 'fglrx' ) but you still should read what i said.. |
| 18:25.31 | MikkelK | And after i've 'make install'ed i can remove the source-dir? |
| 18:25.43 | eeyore- | MikkelK: of course |
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| 18:25.56 | MikkelK | eeyore-, thanks |
| 18:26.01 | primoturbo | alright |
| 18:26.01 | eeyore- | MikkelK: were it not possible, how would debian be shipping precompiled packages? "Logical Reasoning 101" |
| 18:26.11 | primoturbo | thank you valdyn |
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| 18:27.03 | eeyore- | strepsils: i'm in that kind of mood today |
| 18:27.05 | valdyn | primoturbo: if things work now, but not after next reboot, add 'fglrx' to the file /etc/modules |
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| 18:27.31 | eeyore- | but spanking himself *is* naughty. hmm. |
| 18:27.35 | primoturbo | okay I'll try to remember that |
| 18:27.42 | primoturbo | also if it doesn't booit |
| 18:27.53 | primoturbo | what would be an easy to edit xf86config |
| 18:28.02 | primoturbo | is there a console text editor? |
| 18:28.08 | primoturbo | because gedit doesn't work |
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| 18:28.13 | strepsils | eeyore: lol |
| 18:28.15 | eeyore- | primoturbo: nano |
| 18:28.22 | primoturbo | okay |
| 18:28.23 | valdyn | primoturbo: it *will* boot, but it might fuck your console, you could log in remotely if you have a 2nd computer available |
| 18:28.47 | primoturbo | well I could always use a live cd like I did before but that takes time too boot |
| 18:28.55 | valdyn | primoturbo: yea |
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| 18:28.59 | eeyore- | primoturbo: do you really need fglrx? |
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| 18:29.07 | primoturbo | yes |
| 18:29.09 | eeyore- | primoturbo: i have a desktop that uses fglrx and laptop that doesn't |
| 18:29.23 | eeyore- | primoturbo: they both seem to work reasonably well |
| 18:29.44 | primoturbo | I need 3d support for gaming |
| 18:29.50 | primoturbo | i'll be back |
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| 18:31.04 | bl4z | i can use dig on serv in my resolv.conf .. dig@ip my.domain ... but when i try to ping my.doman i get ping: unknown host ... any 1?? |
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| 18:31.15 | eeyore- | i wonder how UT2004 will play on this nice 20" widescreen panel work was nice enough to buy me :-) hehe |
| 18:31.57 | eeyore- | of course i haven't had an upgrade for five years :-p last PC was an 800MHz PIII with stiction problem on the hard drive :-) IT guys don't get upgraded very often :-p |
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| 18:32.18 | drp2 | chroot: cannot run command /sbin/init: no such file or directory |
| 18:32.20 | drp2 | kernel panic: attempted to kill init |
| 18:32.24 | bbrazil | bl4z: nsswitch |
| 18:32.27 | strepsils | bl4z can you ping your ip-ads ? |
| 18:32.31 | valdyn | drp2: use a debian kernel? |
| 18:32.35 | ralf | drac: killer |
| 18:32.38 | drp2 | should i just say f*@3 it and re-install |
| 18:32.42 | eeyore- | drp2: eh? how can you not have init in /sbin? |
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| 18:32.55 | drp2 | valdyn: yeah I believe so |
| 18:32.58 | n00000b | is everybody eager to help noobs? |
| 18:33.08 | valdyn | drp2: what did you do then? |
| 18:33.09 | asg | we help those who help themselves, of course |
| 18:33.14 | drp2 | eeyore-, i'm not sure but ... |
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| 18:33.32 | n00000b | thnx. |
| 18:33.32 | eeyore- | drp2: did you rm -fr / or something? :-) |
| 18:33.34 | mwilson | Surely you're joking. |
| 18:33.37 | mirak | if the bootloader manage to load the kernel he should be able to load the initrd as well ? |
| 18:33.39 | drp2 | valdyn, no idea |
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| 18:33.46 | drp2 | eeyore, no |
| 18:33.49 | valdyn | this is more about his initrd being fucked |
| 18:33.54 | primoturbo | alright thanks |
| 18:34.03 | primoturbo | it works I get 4000 fps now in glxgears |
| 18:34.05 | valdyn | primoturbo: do things work now? |
| 18:34.06 | strepsils | drp2: or a fucked up grub conf |
| 18:34.10 | primoturbo | yeah |
| 18:34.13 | valdyn | !win primoturbo |
| 18:34.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, primoturbo! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 18:34.30 | jclinton | anyone know why gphoto is blocking udev 0.070-3? |
| 18:34.30 | n00000b | im just a user of this root coz this is an internet cafe... im using fedora. i wonder how do i see my version? |
| 18:34.32 | eeyore- | valdyn: mmmmmmmm then he could just bypass initrd right? boot, then make a new one. unless, of course, he needs initrd to boot :) |
| 18:34.38 | valdyn | primoturbo: alright, all you missed was 'm-a prepare and m-a a-i fglrx' |
| 18:34.39 | magyar | I run sid with Xorg. My H/W is an Asus P5WD2 board. Recentley asus released a BIOs fix for numeral issues. After the BIOS update xorg's "radeon" module wont work. Can someone help a brother? |
| 18:34.47 | asg | n00000b: version of what? |
| 18:34.53 | primoturbo | I see |
| 18:34.57 | primoturbo | I did it when u told me |
| 18:35.02 | primoturbo | u mean I missed it the time before |
| 18:35.04 | n00000b | version of my red hat |
| 18:35.08 | bl4z | strepsils i can |
| 18:35.11 | valdyn | primoturbo: yea |
| 18:35.11 | jclinton | magyar: why doesn't it work? |
| 18:35.12 | primoturbo | what do these commands do exactly? |
| 18:35.26 | eeyore- | n00000b: /etc/redhat-release or some such |
| 18:35.27 | asg | n00000b: not the foggiest. Perhaps #redhat or #fedora would know though. |
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| 18:35.35 | n00000b | ok |
| 18:35.35 | bl4z | bbrazil did that |
| 18:35.39 | strepsils | bl4z: check in /etc/hosts that your ip has a name other than localhost |
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| 18:35.42 | n00000b | tnx asg |
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| 18:35.54 | magyar | jclinton, i dont know why, it just dont. X crashes with no device found |
| 18:35.55 | valdyn | primoturbo: m-a a-i compiles fglrx-kernel-src and makes a deb and installs that deb ( containing the kernel module fglrx.ko ) |
| 18:36.07 | valdyn | primoturbo: err, in your case its fglrx.o |
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| 18:36.19 | primoturbo | I see |
| 18:36.20 | magyar | jclinton, if i revert the bios , than all is dandy |
| 18:36.23 | drp2 | any other suggestions ... or any for that matter |
| 18:36.30 | jclinton | magyar: collect more information like from the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
| 18:36.39 | valdyn | primoturbo: not sure what m-a prepare does, read the manpage i guess |
| 18:37.19 | bl4z | strepsils .. got it .. the weerd thing is that everything worked just fine but suddenly just stop workin .. and i did nothing ;( and now drives me mad |
| 18:38.13 | primoturbo | How would I make xmms open my mp3s instead of Totem? |
| 18:38.21 | primoturbo | when I click a mp3 file |
| 18:38.27 | magyar | jclinton, i did, the last line just spits out "device not found" as I look through the file i see it detecting the Radeon card but at the end it just chrashes |
| 18:38.31 | strepsils | bl4z .. hmmm "i did nothing" .... i have heard this one before ... but where ... when ? |
| 18:38.31 | yoo | Somebody know a chan for xawdecode or xdtv user ? |
| 18:38.32 | thingfish | primoturbo: gnome? |
| 18:38.37 | valdyn | primoturbo: rightclick on that file |
| 18:38.52 | primoturbo | yes |
| 18:38.54 | thingfish | rt-click, Properties, Open With |
| 18:38.58 | primoturbo | how do I do it by default |
| 18:39.02 | primoturbo | so it opens it always |
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| 18:39.07 | primoturbo | same thing? |
| 18:39.11 | valdyn | primoturbo: what thingfish said |
| 18:39.16 | jclinton | magyar: search the file for any line starting with (WW) or (EE) |
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| 18:40.00 | primoturbo | I understand how to do it but I mean how do I set xmms to be the default music player |
| 18:40.22 | primoturbo | so when I click a mp3 file xmms opens it and I don't have to righ click and select open with then xmms |
| 18:40.23 | valdyn | primoturbo: rightclick, select Properties, select Open WIth, pick your app |
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| 18:40.32 | magyar | jclinton, the saky part is i only have the .old file which is from last reboot. I need to re-flash the bios |
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| 18:40.37 | thingfish | <sigh> |
| 18:40.38 | abrotman | right click on any mp3 .. go to properties .. then Open With .. then select xmms as your default |
| 18:40.43 | primoturbo | thanks |
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| 18:41.10 | primoturbo | my sound is a little graining |
| 18:41.14 | primoturbo | anything I can do about that? |
| 18:41.25 | ranson | I'd be obliged if I could get a little help. I just updated all of the software on my computer, and I can't use my keyboard or X anymore. Anybody have any ideas about the cause? |
| 18:41.29 | valdyn | primoturbo: alsa? |
| 18:41.40 | asg | ranson: what debian version are you using? |
| 18:41.46 | ranson | unstable |
| 18:41.48 | primoturbo | not sure if it's alsa or not |
| 18:41.56 | asg | ranson: well, start by checking the bts |
| 18:41.58 | valdyn | primoturbo: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 18:42.16 | Tortel | how do i mount a windows partition?? |
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| 18:42.22 | bl4z | strepsils .. true .. i rase suspision when i get no mail for whole afternoon .. so i checked .. and .. u know the rest |
| 18:42.27 | primoturbo | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 18:42.28 | Tortel | its NTFS |
| 18:42.29 | valdyn | Tortel: like any other partition |
| 18:42.30 | ranson | I can't boot into single user mode or with the kernel option init=/bin/bash. It boots up, and when it gets to login, I can't type. |
| 18:42.35 | primoturbo | cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
| 18:42.42 | Tortel | valdyn: I dont know how |
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| 18:42.43 | Tortel | :P |
| 18:42.46 | asg | ranson: did you get a new kernel when you updated? |
| 18:42.48 | primoturbo | Tortel add NTFS to fstab |
| 18:42.55 | primoturbo | or u could just mount |
| 18:43.00 | valdyn | Tortel: mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever |
| 18:43.15 | ranson | No. I have a custom kernel. |
| 18:43.15 | ranson | . |
| 18:43.17 | strepsils | bl4z .. but it's running now ? |
| 18:43.17 | asg | valdyn: he said he's using NTFS though |
| 18:43.17 | primoturbo | /dev/hda1 /mnt/windowsntfs umask=0222 0 0 |
| 18:43.21 | primoturbo | add that to fstab |
| 18:43.28 | primoturbo | mkdir in /mnt called windows |
| 18:43.29 | fbi | why would you t\say to use vfat when he said ntfs |
| 18:43.31 | asg | ranson: try using the debian kernel |
| 18:43.37 | Tortel | /etc/fstab right? |
| 18:43.37 | valdyn | asg: ops , didnt see |
| 18:43.41 | primoturbo | yes |
| 18:43.44 | primoturbo | this will do it on boot |
| 18:43.45 | valdyn | Tortel: mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever |
| 18:43.46 | fbi | Tortel: man mount |
| 18:43.55 | tarzeau | takatumi: we're 6 dragons. /join #bub-n-bros |
| 18:44.00 | fbi | you should learn how to use mount before adding anything to fstab |
| 18:44.02 | tarzeau | dreamland is so LOL |
| 18:44.15 | primoturbo | mounting NTSF is the only thing I know how to do on linux lol |
| 18:44.17 | tarzeau | RichiH's not getting any fruits |
| 18:44.23 | asg | haha |
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| 18:44.56 | fbi | primoturbo: how do you know his ntfs partition has the same device name as yours? |
| 18:44.59 | Lilldude_ | liable |
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| 18:45.14 | primoturbo | because it ussually is like that |
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| 18:45.26 | primoturbo | he can change it if he wants it's only 1 letter |
| 18:45.26 | fbi | uh, oooook. |
| 18:45.29 | ecliptik | can ls show only files and omit directories? Not using the --ignore option, but more like a command switch to not show dirs? |
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| 18:45.47 | ranson | A bigger issue is I can't actually use the linux. I'm running windows now. |
| 18:45.50 | primoturbo | NTSF means he has windows then linux installed after |
| 18:45.58 | primoturbo | because u can't really install windows after linux |
| 18:46.04 | primoturbo | u can but it's a pain in the ass |
| 18:46.06 | ranson | Where would something like this show up in bts. |
| 18:46.20 | fbi | primoturbo: you have no idea what you are talking about. |
| 18:46.29 | asg | ecliptik: find + xargs can |
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| 18:46.35 | primoturbo | I know what I'm talking about because I've tried it many times before |
| 18:46.41 | primoturbo | it has to do with linux overwriting mbr |
| 18:46.49 | asg | ranson: can you test the boot with a debian kernel, not your custom one? |
| 18:46.52 | primoturbo | and windows not wanting to share |
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| 18:46.55 | valdyn | !bootdisk |
| 18:46.55 | dpkg | well, bootdisk is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-<platform>, where platform is i386, powerpc, sparc, m68k, arm, or alpha, or at any mirror site |
| 18:47.15 | JonnyRo | I am trying to transition from apache to apache2 on my debian server, but I cannot get the /etc/init.d/apache2 script to come back. Does anyone know what package contains that file? |
| 18:47.15 | primoturbo | best way is windows first then linux second |
| 18:47.24 | asg | JonnyRo: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:47.54 | ranson | No. I don't have the debian kernel installed. |
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| 18:47.55 | ecliptik | asg thanks |
| 18:47.56 | fbi | primoturbo: regardless of whether or not _you_ know how to re-install a bootloaded, you shouldn't tell users to add your fstab lines to their files. |
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| 18:48.04 | fbi | you don't know what his mount point is named either. |
| 18:48.23 | fbi | and either way he needs to learn what he is doing by reading the man page, not by being spoonfed. |
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| 18:48.35 | primoturbo | oh pls |
| 18:48.50 | JonnyRo | asg, thanks for the assistance. Everything is working great now |
| 18:49.01 | asg | ranson: well, use the install disc or knoppix or something to mount your root partition. Chroot into it and install a debian kernel to see if that works. |
| 18:49.05 | ranson | I guess I'm more interested if the problem had been noted before. I can probably make a linux boot cd and change whaterver needs to be changed. |
| 18:49.26 | abrotman | !moronspeak |
| 18:49.26 | dpkg | FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see http://www.hohto.to/forums/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=17720. Adding -ies, -rama or any other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up. |
| 18:49.46 | primoturbo | hmm this is odd I can't find the sound controls |
| 18:49.57 | primoturbo | how do I switch my system to alsa i was using oss in xms |
| 18:50.00 | asg | ranson: keyboards not working after updates are the result of kernel updates and maybe udev. If it's a usb keyboard, usb tools and such could also be the problem. |
| 18:50.20 | asg | ranson: if you have a usb keyboard, try using a ps/2 one to see if that works at least. |
| 18:50.25 | ranson | I believe udev was updated. I'm almost certain. |
| 18:50.25 | ranson | . |
| 18:50.30 | abrotman | *replonk* |
| 18:50.32 | AzMoo | primoturbo, it's time to stop asking questions and start reading. |
| 18:50.42 | primoturbo | so hostile |
| 18:50.44 | fbi | haha replonk |
| 18:50.44 | primoturbo | someone help me pls |
| 18:50.48 | fbi | why did you unplonk? |
| 18:50.49 | abrotman | i had unplonked |
| 18:50.52 | fbi | haha |
| 18:50.56 | ranson | Would that still cause problems with the kernel option init=/bin/bash ? |
| 18:51.03 | abrotman | i don't like to do it for more than a bit .. but i didn't want to rip his head off |
| 18:51.12 | fbi | i hear ya |
| 18:51.15 | Tortel | ok, i have it mounted, but only root can acess it, is there a way to change that? |
| 18:51.16 | asg | ranson: well, if you think that's the cause, grab the previous version from snapshot.debian.net and install it (you'll have to chroot into your / from the install disc or knoppix) |
| 18:51.26 | fbi | Tortel: i told you to read the man page for mount |
| 18:51.32 | Tortel | :P |
| 18:51.35 | fbi | you aren't using the right mount option or umask |
| 18:51.35 | ranson | I know the kernel hasn't changed. |
| 18:51.46 | bl4z | ok ... i just fund out that i can """see""" only servers that are listed on that particular dns server that i got in resolv.conf but i see no other doman names .. any1? |
| 18:51.54 | primoturbo | I have no idea, I can access it with out root |
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| 18:52.08 | Fuwex | How do I make Inetd reload the inetd.conf file? |
| 18:52.09 | fbi | don't listen to that primoturbo gave you, chances are very good that his fstab entry will not work for you |
| 18:52.15 | fbi | s/that/what/ |
| 18:52.18 | mwilson | bl4z: You do realize that makes absolutely no sense. |
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| 18:52.28 | asg | ranson: is your keyboard a usb one? |
| 18:52.33 | mwilson | Fuwex: You HUP the daemon. |
| 18:52.47 | Fuwex | mwilson, I'm sorry, HUP? Rather inexperienced. |
| 18:52.52 | mwilson | Gods, then it /msg's me. |
| 18:52.54 | abrotman | !hup |
| 18:52.54 | dpkg | kill -HUP pid or killall -HUP name |
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| 18:53.00 | abrotman | dpkg: useful as always |
| 18:53.01 | Fuwex | okay |
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| 18:53.05 | Fuwex | that restarts it, or? |
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| 18:53.13 | Warp4 | hi folks, how do i turn of shadow passwords in debian? |
| 18:53.15 | abrotman | Fuwex: man kill ? |
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| 18:53.16 | mwilson | No, that does what you asked for. |
| 18:53.17 | Warp4 | turn off rather |
| 18:53.21 | asg | Warp4: shadowconfig off |
| 18:53.22 | ranson | It's a built in laptop keyboard. I, unhappily, do not have a ps/2 plug on my computer, not a usb keyboard. |
| 18:53.23 | primoturbo | How do I access sound controls? |
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| 18:53.31 | mwilson | If you want to restart it, then restart it. |
| 18:53.35 | asg | Warp4: why you would want to do that is beyond me though |
| 18:53.42 | primoturbo | I only see controls for sounds but not controls for sound engine selection |
| 18:53.44 | asg | ranson: oh |
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| 18:53.48 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.51 | mwilson | Ahhh |
| 18:53.55 | primoturbo | I need to switch from oss to alsa |
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| 18:54.09 | Warp4 | asg because the bbs software i use does not like shadow passwords |
| 18:54.26 | Fuwex | Okay, thanks guys, I hope that worked, bye. |
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| 18:54.33 | omry | I am having a strange problem: I connect to a vpn (cisco), networking works ok. I open xvnc4viewer to a windows machine inside the vpn. it connects, but after a few minutes my machine freezed dead, wont even accept ssh connections. its very reproducable. anyone encountered something like that? |
| 18:54.36 | abrotman | Warp4: that's bad software |
| 18:54.44 | bl4z | mwilson tnx ... sinc i got real problem here |
| 18:54.56 | bl4z | and it drives me crazy |
| 18:55.09 | asg | Warp4: what language is the software written in? |
| 18:55.14 | mwilson | bl4z: Did I ask you to paste me umpteen lines of cr*p in /msg? No, I did not. |
| 18:55.27 | bl4z | mwilson .. no tx any way |
| 18:55.45 | AzMoo | Tortel, man mount - look at the -o parameter options. Especially, users and ro |
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| 18:56.14 | bl4z | juts want that u could help me out sinece it makes no sense to me 2 |
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| 18:56.15 | bl4z | :( |
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| 18:56.22 | abrotman | !tell bl4z about u |
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| 18:56.54 | ranson | What package is the very initial software that runs after the kernel loads in? |
| 18:56.57 | mwilson | bl4z: I'm afraid I don't speak Moron. If you can speak English, perhaps someone can help you. |
| 18:57.05 | Warp4 | asg C++ |
| 18:57.09 | Warp4 | asg it's MBSE BBS |
| 18:58.09 | asg | Warp4: well, it probably could be fixed to use pam but if you have to disable shadow passowrds, shadowconfig will do it. |
| 18:58.14 | asg | shit, pubtime |
| 18:58.23 | AzMoo | damn you. |
| 18:58.26 | primoturbo | How do I check which kernel I'm using? |
| 18:58.27 | primoturbo | thnx |
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| 18:58.58 | AzMoo | primoturbo, uname -a |
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| 18:59.31 | primoturbo | ty |
| 19:01.15 | Warp4 | asg thanks |
| 19:01.23 | bl4z | mwilson sorry |
| 19:01.30 | Warp4 | asg will have to contact the program's author in the netherlands to see what he can do :) |
| 19:01.41 | Warp4 | asg i dont know C++ or I would do it myself :) |
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| 19:01.51 | JonnyRo | I cannot get /etc/init.d/apache2 to install for the life of me |
| 19:01.56 | JonnyRo | even when installing apache2-common |
| 19:02.01 | JonnyRo | which is what dpkg says owns that file |
| 19:02.04 | JonnyRo | it refuses to load it up |
| 19:02.20 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 19:02.20 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 19:03.55 | JonnyRo | abrotman, much thanks |
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| 19:04.10 | JonnyRo | when you do dpkg -l and packages show up as "rc" what does that mean |
| 19:04.18 | JonnyRo | those packages have been removed via apt-get remove packagename |
| 19:04.30 | abrotman | removed but conf files remain .. man dpkg |
| 19:04.35 | daxxar | Hm. How come my ps, etcetera doesn't resolve an uid to its username? |
| 19:04.39 | JonnyRo | wonderful |
| 19:04.41 | JonnyRo | thanks |
| 19:04.46 | daxxar | i.e. ps aux gives the UID, not the username. "id username" gives the UID. |
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| 19:05.28 | jades | is there a sftp gtk client? |
| 19:05.40 | mirak | what File system is used for the initrd ? |
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| 19:06.02 | jades | mirak, ramfs |
| 19:06.09 | valdyn | jades: nautilus,gftp |
| 19:06.10 | mirak | jades: thx |
| 19:06.52 | jades | valdyn, used gftp thanks |
| 19:06.52 | Mr-R | daxxar: do you have weird entries in /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
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| 19:08.46 | daxxar | What're "weird entries"? |
| 19:09.00 | daxxar | passwd: compat, group: compat, shadow: compat |
| 19:09.14 | Mr-R | daxxar: hmm. looks good |
| 19:09.20 | daxxar | It works for some users |
| 19:09.21 | daxxar | Just not this one |
| 19:09.48 | daxxar | Actually, for two. |
| 19:09.53 | daxxar | Debian-exim and another one |
| 19:09.54 | Mr-R | daxxar: that user is missing in /etc/passwd? |
| 19:09.57 | daxxar | No |
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| 19:10.02 | daxxar | uid 102 and uid 1008. |
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| 19:10.18 | daxxar | id seventhstar gives "uid=1008(seventhstar) gid=1008(seventhstar) groups=1008(seventhstar)" |
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| 19:10.30 | daxxar | id Debian-exim gives "uid=102(Debian-exim) gid=102(Debian-exim) groups=102(Debian-exim)" |
| 19:10.41 | daxxar | But ps aux gives a few entries with uid 102 and uid 1008 |
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| 19:11.29 | Mr-R | daxxar: strange. sorry, i do not know. |
| 19:11.38 | daxxar | Hm. |
| 19:11.39 | primoturbo | How do I set system sound to use ALSA? |
| 19:11.39 | daxxar | :| |
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| 19:11.45 | primoturbo | is there a way to select it in gnome? |
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| 19:12.19 | stew | primoturbo: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:12.33 | abrotman | gah .. run |
| 19:13.00 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 19:13.00 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
| 19:13.08 | primoturbo | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:13.14 | mikeX | is it possible to delay detection of a usb device (so that it's partition table is read correctly)? |
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| 19:13.40 | primoturbo | I'll be back turkey time |
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| 19:14.12 | stew | primoturbo: apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 ; /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 19:14.30 | Mr-R | daxxar: http://groups.google.de/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/273f0d6c2a5ab8bc/dd1f9fd227cd6cf9?lnk=st&q=ps+aux+username+missing&rnum=1#dd1f9fd227cd6cf9 |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | !flw |
| 19:14.41 | dpkg | < dafen> anyways, if I use laptop, I don't need a journal file system right? < dafen> since under no circumstence, I'll loose power |
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| 19:15.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: why isn't ubercopy packaged ? |
| 19:15.25 | JediMaster | what's the easiest way to change a partition type from swap to ext3? |
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| 19:15.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: because it's junk |
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| 19:15.38 | rapsys | Hy |
| 19:15.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah o |
| 19:15.41 | abrotman | k |
| 19:15.46 | JediMaster | I'm converting a swap partition to ext3 to install debian on a redshat box =) |
| 19:15.47 | mikeX | JediMaster, ext3 is not a partition type |
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| 19:16.00 | JediMaster | mikeX: you know what I mean |
| 19:16.07 | rapsys | is their a way to put a mount --bind /somedir /otherdir in /etc/fstab ??? |
| 19:16.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: actually there's a package :) |
| 19:16.21 | JediMaster | mikeX from linux swap to whatever it is for ext3 |
| 19:16.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/ubercopy/ :) |
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| 19:16.27 | dondelelcaro | cheal: pong |
| 19:16.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know .. dpkg knows about it |
| 19:16.33 | mikeX | well just use format it to ext3 with the debian installer |
| 19:16.40 | mikeX | s/use// |
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| 19:17.06 | JediMaster | mikeX: can the debian installer run on redhat remotely? |
| 19:17.17 | stew | JediMaster: do you know exactly which partition the swap is? |
| 19:17.19 | rapsys | debbootstrap ? |
| 19:17.23 | RichiH | !tell JediMaster about debootstrap |
| 19:17.24 | Mr-R | daxxar: ups, sorry. in the bts it leads to: http://procps.sourceforge.net/faq.html the user name is just too long for that column |
| 19:17.43 | rapsys | anybody could help me ? |
| 19:17.49 | JediMaster | stew: yes hda6, I can mount it already, but the partition type is still set to swap |
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| 19:18.08 | daxxar | Aaah, thanks Mr-R :) |
| 19:18.19 | mikeX | JediMaster, the partition type is of little importance afaik |
| 19:18.20 | rapsys | I need a few help about how to put a mount --bind in /etc/fstab |
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| 19:18.35 | mikeX | JediMaster, just use fdisk and set type to 82 (Linux) |
| 19:18.36 | stew | JediMaster: fdisk /dev/hda ; hit t to change type, you want to change it to type 83 ; then write changes. after that use mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda6 |
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| 19:18.56 | mikeX | JediMaster, oh sorry, 83 as stew points out |
| 19:19.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know even sexy secretaries have used ubercopy :) |
| 19:19.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: you lie! |
| 19:20.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: i swear it's true |
| 19:20.12 | rapsys | hey nobody know how to put a mount --bind in fstab ??? |
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| 19:21.02 | ChrisH | I seem to have a "locale" problem on my workstation. I'm using UTF8. Default is "de_DE.UTF-8" here. "locale -a" shows (among others) "de_DE.utf8". But after each command I get: "Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory". What could I miss? |
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| 19:21.18 | mikeX | rapsys, you could put it in a startup script |
| 19:21.41 | rapsys | mikeX: I already does this |
| 19:21.44 | mikeX | oh :p |
| 19:21.45 | freexploit | hey ive got a little problem with my cd burner programs. They are unable to find tha path to /usr/bin/mkisofs though I have it in my directory |
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| 19:21.48 | rapsys | I would have know a proper way to do this |
| 19:21.59 | dondelelcaro | ChrisH: dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build de_DE.UTF-8 |
| 19:22.01 | freexploit | who could tell me what to do? |
| 19:22.10 | dondelelcaro | freexploit: apt-get install mkisofs; |
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| 19:22.24 | mikeX | is it possible to delay detection of a usb device (so that it's partition table is read correctly)? |
| 19:22.25 | freexploit | we tried that already |
| 19:22.37 | ChrisH | dondelelcaro: I did that already. |
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| 19:22.45 | rapsys | ChrisH: do not forget to unlog/relog after make the change |
| 19:22.49 | dondelelcaro | freexploit: if you don't have /usr/bin/mkisofs; you haven't installed it, or you need to reinstall it. |
| 19:22.54 | stew | rapsys: "/foo /bar none bind" |
| 19:22.58 | ChrisH | rapsys: I even rebooted because I was clueless. :) |
| 19:23.09 | rapsys | and build the de_DE iso8859-1 with too |
| 19:23.11 | freexploit | thaks I'll try it |
| 19:23.11 | dondelelcaro | ChrisH: then perl -lwe '1'; should work without complaning. |
| 19:23.12 | stew | rapsys: i believe that is equiv to mount -bind /foo /bar |
| 19:23.16 | freexploit | see ya |
| 19:23.38 | ChrisH | rapsys: "locale -a" shows: C POSIX de_DE de_DE.iso88591 de_DE.utf8 deutsch german |
| 19:23.45 | rapsys | stew: will test on my system |
| 19:24.03 | ChrisH | dondelelcaro: It's not just a perl problem here. |
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| 19:24.18 | dondelelcaro | ChrisH: no, but that will report the error if it actually has anything to do with the libc locales. |
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| 19:24.36 | MrXerox | Is there a patch floating around that'll get the nvidia 7676 drivers working with the 2.6.14-rc3 kernel? |
| 19:24.52 | digitalnemesis | what's the command to remove webmin? I'm having conflicts between apache and apache2 |
| 19:24.55 | rapsys | ChrisH: I use a .i18n file in my home for system with a default non fr_FR.UTF-8 locale |
| 19:25.05 | rapsys | if you have a mail I send it you |
| 19:25.14 | abrotman | digitalnemesis: apt-get --purge remove webmin |
| 19:25.15 | ChrisH | dondelelcaro: I get asked to check the locale settings to see if (unset) and de_DE.UTF-8 are installed. IMHO they are. |
| 19:25.30 | rapsys | try do a small sed s/fr_FR/de_DE/ and add it in ~/.bashrc |
| 19:25.31 | dondelelcaro | ChrisH: use the paster bot to paste the full output |
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| 19:25.46 | freexploit | exit |
| 19:26.00 | ChrisH | dondelelcaro: Thanks. http://paste.debian.net/2252 |
| 19:26.17 | rapsys | ChrisH: do you want the my env setter script ? |
| 19:26.27 | ChrisH | rapsys: Strange thing is that this seems to work on two other workstations. Even on another workstation with my same files (NFS + NIS used) |
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| 19:26.39 | ChrisH | rapsys: There is a set-language-env. But it appears to be a machine-specific problem. |
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| 19:27.05 | BobbyGrace | Having trouble with getting sound on my system. am using a custom built 2.6.13 kernel, and the alsa-modules that were built with that one. can anyone help me out ? |
| 19:27.10 | Mr-R | ChrisH: you tried a dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 19:27.21 | digitalnemesis | i didnt install webmin using apt-gt, i installed it manually, apt-get --purge remove webmin didnt work |
| 19:27.25 | ChrisH | Mr-R: Yes. |
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| 19:27.44 | ChrisH | Mr-R: And usually that's my default way of setting it up or adding utf-8. I'm confused how this came up. |
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| 19:27.54 | abrotman | digitalnemesis: then uninstall it like the INSTALL guide should explain to you .. or ask #webmin |
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| 19:28.16 | Wibble- | Hi - I'm trying to install some packages which aren't in the main debian archive, but are apparently in the marillat archive. However, the instructions I found for how to set it up tell me to use the "unstable" marillat source; which doesn't seem to exist any more. Can anyone advise what I should use as the source? |
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| 19:28.42 | trent_ | hey guys, i have sort of a problem, im not able to lookup ipv6 addresses with nslookup, therefore i can only input ips for stuff like irssi, what should i do? |
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| 19:29.10 | digitalnemesis | #webmin only has 3 users |
| 19:29.16 | Wibble- | trent_: just checking - have you tried dig -t any ? |
| 19:29.23 | trent_ | let me try :p |
| 19:29.23 | stew | Wibble-: instead of using stable/testing/unstable, use sarge/etch/sid |
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| 19:29.38 | Mr-R | ChrisH: hmm. language = (unset). whats the output of "locale"? |
| 19:29.44 | dondelelcaro | ChrisH: rerun locale-gen; and make sure that de_DE is being built |
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| 19:29.57 | trent_ | it returns like a-m.rootservers.net |
| 19:29.59 | Wibble- | uhhh... what is sarge/etch/sid? :P did what you say match up? (e.g. unstable == sid?) |
| 19:30.07 | EdLin | what is the name of the package in Debian that provides Rails for Ruby? |
| 19:30.11 | ChrisH | Mr-R: http://paste.debian.net/2253 |
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| 19:30.15 | digitalnemesis | debian sucks |
| 19:30.21 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 19:30.25 | Wibble- | trent_: you do, of course, need to specify the server you want the ipv6 for |
| 19:30.30 | Xenguy | nice |
| 19:30.37 | trent_ | Wibble-: hmm? |
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| 19:30.39 | ChrisH | dondelelcaro: It only builds de_DE.ISO-8859-1... and de_DE.UTF-8... - does that sound incorrect? |
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| 19:30.53 | trent_ | how do i know which one is the ipv6 supported one? |
| 19:31.14 | stew | Wibble-: yes, unstable == sid, sarge=stable, etch=testing. |
| 19:31.17 | Wibble- | trent_: you need to know that in advance - from the networks homepage or something |
| 19:31.22 | Wibble- | great - thank you very much stew |
| 19:31.30 | trent_ | i found one that works |
| 19:31.32 | dondelelcaro | ChrisH: you probably don't need to set LC_ALL then; just set LANG... sounds like something is slightly broken there, though. |
| 19:32.11 | trent_ | well |
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| 19:32.11 | mirak | hi |
| 19:32.12 | ChrisH | dondelelcaro: Indeed, LC_ALL is a bit hard. |
| 19:32.40 | trent_ | Wibble-: it returns A addresses, not AAAA |
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| 19:33.18 | Mr-R | ChrisH: its utf8 and not utf-8 :) |
| 19:33.47 | ChrisH | Mr-R: Strange indeed. Looks the same on other workstations though. Does "locale -a" tell you utf-8? |
| 19:33.48 | trent_ | well, Wibble- what i do know is, ping6 finds the ipv6 addr fine, but nslookup wont |
| 19:34.03 | MrXerox | Is there a patch floating around that'll get the nvidia 7676 drivers working with the 2.6.14-rc3 kernel? |
| 19:34.07 | Mr-R | ChrisH: set LANG to de_DE.utf8 and not de_DE.utf-8 |
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| 19:34.13 | abrotman | MrXerox: ask #nvidia |
| 19:34.13 | cheal | MrXerox: ask #nvidia |
| 19:34.31 | cheal | dondelelcaro: hi. I was wondering if you were willing to discuss wiki.d.o licensing |
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| 19:34.40 | MrXerox | ok, ty |
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| 19:35.01 | Wibble- | trent_: try "set q=any" |
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| 19:35.03 | dondelelcaro | cheal: sure, what about it? |
| 19:35.05 | trent_ | ok |
| 19:35.14 | trent_ | on nslookup or dig? |
| 19:35.21 | Wibble- | nslookup |
| 19:35.23 | Mr-R | ChrisH: ups. got it wrong |
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| 19:35.48 | ChrisH | Mr-R: Once upon a time I thought I had understood locales... :) |
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| 19:36.21 | cheal | dondelelcaro: nice. I ask you only because I saw your edit on WikiLicencingTerms. I am worried that there's no licence on the content yet. Do you agree that something should be done about it? |
| 19:36.25 | psychonate | will stable ---> testing likely go smoothly? |
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| 19:36.35 | trent_ | nslookup: Couldn't find server 'ip2-priv2.ipv6.irchawks.org': Name or service not known |
| 19:36.39 | trent_ | mm |
| 19:36.43 | Mr-R | ChrisH: locale -a gives C de_DE de_DE@euro de_DE.iso88591 de_DE.iso885915@euro de_DE.utf8 de_DE.utf8@euro deutsch german POSIX |
| 19:36.49 | psychonate | It did for me a few months ago. A friend of mine is going for it now; I just wanted to make sure there won't be any wierd new issues. |
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| 19:36.58 | cheal | psychonate: apt-listbugs should tell you |
| 19:36.59 | dondelelcaro | cheal: yes, that much is clear. I've outlined what I basically think needs to be done in a post to -legal; let me dig it up. |
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| 19:37.16 | cheal | dondelelcaro: oh, great :) |
| 19:37.26 | Wibble- | you need to type nslookup to start it, then set q=any, then yer server... it does work and returns the AAAA address in the list of answers |
| 19:37.31 | dondelelcaro | cheal: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/10/msg00016.html |
| 19:37.31 | trent_ | oh |
| 19:37.32 | trent_ | :P |
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| 19:37.39 | psychonate | cheal, er, is that a command I should have? |
| 19:37.48 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | I've pulled a debian source file, edited mod_header but when I try to rebuild the package, it wipes out my directory/files and does the whole build process over. |
| 19:37.53 | Mr-R | ChrisH: oh. and my LC_ALL is empty |
| 19:37.55 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | How can I just build and package the debs? |
| 19:37.59 | cievo | hello all |
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| 19:38.04 | Wibble- | to do it all in one command, try nslookup -q=any <server> |
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| 19:38.09 | cievo | anyone who can help me with kernel ? :) |
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| 19:38.17 | ChrisH | Mr-R: Mine is empty now, too. That didn't change much though. |
| 19:38.17 | dondelelcaro | w1ck3dw1z4rd: just fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 19:38.23 | cievo | do not forward me to #kernel :) no one answers there :) |
| 19:38.30 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | when I do that it extracts the tar.gz |
| 19:38.33 | dondelelcaro | !nickometer w1ck3dw1z4rd |
| 19:38.33 | dpkg | 'w1ck3dw1z4rd' is 99.9588% lame, dondelelcaro |
| 19:38.44 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | which overwrites my edits. |
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| 19:38.54 | dondelelcaro | w1ck3dw1z4rd: uh, which package are we talking about here? |
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| 19:39.00 | trent_ | http://pastebin.com/389372 |
| 19:39.01 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | apache2 |
| 19:39.02 | cheal | psychonate: it's a command and a package that you really want to use if you're not running a stable release |
| 19:39.21 | gpm | hey guys. i just copied a directory and i want to make sure that it copied correctly...how do i compare two dirs and find out what (if any) differences there are between them? |
| 19:39.25 | dondelelcaro | w1ck3dw1z4rd: you need to create a patch file that gets placed in debian/patches or whatever apache2 is uses that gets applied to the unpacked binary. |
| 19:39.38 | cheal | dondelelcaro: I completely missed that thread. going to read that now. thank you |
| 19:39.38 | dondelelcaro | s/binary/tarball/ |
| 19:39.38 | ChrisH | gpm: I prefer kdiff3. |
| 19:39.38 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | gpm diff -uW dir1 dir2 |
| 19:39.49 | epzt | unable to install deb sarge from dvd -> sata disk not detect |
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| 19:39.53 | psychonate | cheal, excellent, I willl install it |
| 19:40.01 | psychonate | s/willl/will |
| 19:40.01 | Wibble- | trent_: WFM - don't know why your server doesn't return it |
| 19:40.03 | abrotman | epzt: which SATA controller ? |
| 19:40.13 | trent_ | Wibble-: hmm :( me too |
| 19:40.18 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | okay dondelelcaro thanks. |
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| 19:40.23 | trent_ | ive just been having SO many problems w/ ipv6 |
| 19:40.33 | trent_ | on debian atleast |
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| 19:40.37 | epzt | intel ich7r |
| 19:40.42 | trent_ | on my freebsd box im able to lookup hosts, run servers, etc |
| 19:40.50 | Wibble- | well, I use debian, have never used ipv6, and it works fine here :P |
| 19:41.02 | gpm | w1ck3dw1z4rd, how do i get it to only show the differences and not the ones that copied ok? |
| 19:41.03 | trent_ | lol |
| 19:41.10 | trent_ | in general, debian has been acting weird to me |
| 19:41.31 | abrotman | gpm: `man diff` doesn't say ? |
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| 19:42.24 | epzt | on a p5ld2 mother board |
| 19:42.24 | trent_ | and, Wibble- , i do know ipv6 works, because i am able to ssh to the debian ipv6 address from another ipv6 host |
| 19:42.33 | dondelelcaro | gpm: by default it doesn't report files that copied properly... at least, if you do diff -uR dir1 dir2; |
| 19:42.34 | trent_ | and i can ping6 any host, that resolves it fine |
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| 19:42.57 | bbrazil | trent_: may I suggest not using deprecated tools? dig AAAA host.ipv6.blah.com |
| 19:43.07 | Wibble- | ahhh, THATS the dig syntax... |
| 19:43.07 | Mortalman | How would I go about finding out what users are in a certain group? |
| 19:43.15 | dondelelcaro | Mortalman: id |
| 19:43.21 | primoturbo | Can someone pls help me with one thing |
| 19:43.29 | primoturbo | I'm following a tut for setting up alsa |
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| 19:43.35 | primoturbo | it says - Get module-assistant and run it and select the audio card from the list (you can fix an error here by running dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source) |
| 19:43.46 | dondelelcaro | Mortalman: or, grep foogroup /etc/groups; |
| 19:43.51 | primoturbo | when I run module-assisant I don't see where I get to select my audio card |
| 19:43.56 | dondelelcaro | s/s$// |
| 19:44.06 | primoturbo | http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html is what I'm following |
| 19:44.10 | primoturbo | can someone pls help me? |
| 19:44.13 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | dondelelcaro: was supposed to be diff -uw |
| 19:44.16 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | w == whitespace |
| 19:44.20 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | ignore |
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| 19:45.06 | quittt | hey |
| 19:45.11 | quittt | do you know a command line MSN client: |
| 19:45.14 | quittt | ? |
| 19:45.16 | quittt | a shell MSN client? |
| 19:45.23 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | the whole patch thing sucks if I may say so. Makes testing really hard. You almost have to have a development tree and a package tree. |
| 19:45.25 | dondelelcaro | quittt: use bittlebe or similar |
| 19:45.31 | Wibble- | quittt: centericq |
| 19:45.34 | mjk64 | quittt: irssi? |
| 19:45.35 | trent_ | hmm |
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| 19:45.59 | quittt | Wibble-: centericq supports msn? |
| 19:46.03 | dondelelcaro | w1ck3dw1z4rd: no, it actually works quite well... it keeps the patches separated, and it keeps the upstream pristine. |
| 19:46.04 | Wibble- | yes |
| 19:46.04 | clueless | What are the programs I can use to get some informations off pressed movie DVDs? I want to know stuffs like average bit rate, region code etc.... |
| 19:46.11 | trent_ | grrr |
| 19:46.13 | quittt | my mouse is broken hahaha |
| 19:46.15 | Wibble- | just not very well IMO (I'm about to stop using it) |
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| 19:46.21 | trent_ | i just think debian is wasting my time, why cant i do anything on it? |
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| 19:46.30 | trent_ | i have worked endlessly, and its not working |
| 19:46.34 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | dondelelcaro: and you have to rebuild everytime simply to test a patch |
| 19:46.51 | dondelelcaro | w1ck3dw1z4rd: uh... you don't have to; you can just apply it and build. |
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| 19:47.09 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | in a separate tree? |
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| 19:47.14 | Wibble- | trent_: if it were easy, you wouldn't enjoy it as much when you cracked it. |
| 19:47.36 | welson | anyone remembers if there's something I can use for echo on /proc to increase system verbosity? |
| 19:47.38 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | wow, this channel is huge |
| 19:47.38 | trent_ | hmm |
| 19:47.39 | dondelelcaro | w1ck3dw1z4rd: so long as the stampdir has a source.make in it, it won't get unpacked again. |
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| 19:47.47 | Frem | What package do I need to install to get Motif so I can use plugins in Opera? |
| 19:47.51 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | okay, thanx |
| 19:47.57 | epzt | any help for sata recognition ? |
| 19:48.03 | welson | Frem, lesstif |
| 19:48.03 | dondelelcaro | epzt: which kernel are you using? |
| 19:48.07 | mjk64 | quittt: Wait, seems irssi doesn't support MSN right away ... |
| 19:48.15 | epzt | I try 2.6 |
| 19:48.17 | dondelelcaro | mjk64: yeah, you need bittlebe or whatever it is. |
| 19:48.22 | Frem | welson: thanks |
| 19:48.24 | welson | Freak, may or may not |
| 19:48.33 | redlounge | hi. anyone can recommend a good tool for incremental backup/copy other than rsync? |
| 19:48.41 | mjk64 | dondelelcaro: Yeah, saw that in the google hits ... |
| 19:48.41 | dondelelcaro | epzt: try 2.4. If you've got a new SATA card, you may need to find a d-i that has a newer kernel on it. |
| 19:49.46 | dondelelcaro | redlounge: like tar? |
| 19:49.47 | psychonate | How can I directly connect to someone in GAIM? I can send files, but I see no option to just direct connect. |
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| 19:49.47 | epzt | i'msurprise because on 2.4 it works bader than in 2.6 isn't it ? |
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| 19:49.47 | Wibble- | psychonate: try #gaim ? |
| 19:49.48 | redlounge | dondelelcaro, i just want to copy some files to another hdd. but incremental |
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| 19:49.49 | dondelelcaro | epzt: depends on the card. Since you haven't told anyone what card you're using, we can't really help you. |
| 19:49.52 | dondelelcaro | redlounge: then just use rsync. |
| 19:50.13 | redlounge | dondelelcaro, i do not get rsync to work correctly |
| 19:50.23 | dondelelcaro | redlounge: then tell us why it's not working correctly |
| 19:50.33 | epzt | controler is intel ich7r on p5ld2 deluxe moter board |
| 19:50.34 | dondelelcaro | (or how it's not working correctly) |
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| 19:51.16 | redlounge | dondelelcaro, ok... it does not copy some files. i try to backup my home folder and it says on the shell that it is copying but i cannot find the file at the destination |
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| 19:52.30 | redlounge | dondelelcaro, but this only happens for some files... not much |
| 19:52.36 | dondelelcaro | redlounge: give me the rsync command that you're using, the output of 'stat foo/file/that/didn't/copy' and 'stat the/directory/where/it/should/have/gone' |
| 19:52.42 | dondelelcaro | redlounge: also, the error output from rsync. |
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| 19:52.52 | dondelelcaro | redlounge: use the paster bot to do so. |
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| 19:53.12 | redlounge | dondelelcaro, what is the paster bot?? |
| 19:53.13 | dondelelcaro | epzt: hrm; try asking in #debian-boot to see if someone has an unoficial d-i iso that can install on that hardware. |
| 19:53.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell redlounge -about paster |
| 19:53.37 | epzt | ok, thanks |
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| 19:56.34 | de_mon | how do I collapse a cat foo|cut -f1 into a comma delimited list? |
| 19:57.04 | terrencevak | I'm trying to do apt-get -f install after apt-get install gnome messed up, and I'm getting the error found at http://channels.debian.net/paste/879 . Is there a way to fix this? |
| 19:57.08 | redlounge | dondelelcaro, pasted... |
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| 19:57.13 | BiSK-8 | hello |
| 19:57.25 | de_mon | tr works! presto |
| 19:57.25 | freexploit | i've tried to reinstall mkisofs but it tells me that it doesn't work. the machine says: No such directory or file exists. invalid node. |
| 19:57.29 | BiSK-8 | how can i change from xfce to gnome under a dabian based os? |
| 19:57.32 | freexploit | so I can't burn a cd |
| 19:57.37 | abrotman | BiSK-8: on what? |
| 19:57.44 | BiSK-8 | PHLAK |
| 19:57.51 | abrotman | wtf is phlak ? |
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| 19:58.02 | BiSK-8 | professional hackers linux assault kit |
| 19:58.19 | BiSK-8 | a debian based os |
| 19:58.19 | DwyaneWade | what was the command to show the kernel version? |
| 19:58.20 | abrotman | and a professional hacker using linux .. needs gnome? |
| 19:58.24 | dondelelcaro | redlounge: what is the url? |
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| 19:58.27 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: uname -r |
| 19:58.36 | quittt | how do I close a message in centericq? |
| 19:58.38 | BiSK-8 | i like gnome better than xfce |
| 19:58.40 | quittt | this app rox |
| 19:58.43 | BiSK-8 | is it possibile |
| 19:58.44 | BiSK-8 | ? |
| 19:58.44 | redlounge | dondelelcaro, http://channels.debian.net/paste/880 |
| 19:58.50 | abrotman | quittt: i think you just hit escape a few times |
| 19:59.00 | fooscope | freexploit:does the /usr/bin/mkisofs exist? do you have permissions for it? can you burn with sudo burnerprogram? |
| 19:59.02 | abrotman | BiSK-8: you sohuld ask the people that made it .. |
| 19:59.02 | freexploit | How can I solve myproblem |
| 19:59.16 | freexploit | yeah |
| 19:59.22 | freexploit | weve tried to do so |
| 19:59.29 | BiSK-8 | why r u being an ass with me? |
| 19:59.33 | freexploit | we 're root right now |
| 19:59.41 | pipeline | BiSK-8: y r u a fucking moron |
| 19:59.41 | freexploit | and it doesn't work anyway |
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| 19:59.50 | abrotman | BiSK-8: this channel is for Debian support .. you're not using Debian |
| 20:00.00 | fooscope | freexploit:doesn't work how? |
| 20:00.23 | freexploit | it just doesn't go on with the burning process |
| 20:00.25 | BiSK-8 | so what? |
| 20:00.31 | BiSK-8 | im on a debian based os |
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| 20:00.36 | mwilson | BiSK-8: So? |
| 20:00.36 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 20:00.36 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 20:00.40 | quittt | abrotman: and to close the "window"?? |
| 20:00.45 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 20:00.47 | froztbyte | day all |
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| 20:00.54 | abrotman | quittt: it .. "stops showing it" :) |
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| 20:01.09 | quittt | abrotman: I dont know how to do it -=/ |
| 20:01.28 | abrotman | quittt: all i've ever done with centericq was to hit escape .. and it would .. "hide" it or some crap |
| 20:01.33 | froztbyte | anybody here i can speak to bout adding a modified custom kernel to my sarge install? i've just got one or two questions |
| 20:01.45 | quittt | hahahahahaha |
| 20:01.52 | quittt | abrotman: but this app is really great |
| 20:01.58 | abrotman | quittt: it is |
| 20:02.01 | quittt | abrotman: someone that has a 486 it HELPS a lot |
| 20:02.08 | quittt | it gives it a new life |
| 20:02.10 | abrotman | quittt: but i use it infrequently .. |
| 20:02.10 | froztbyte | ? |
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| 20:02.21 | fooscope | freexploit: if /usr/bin/mkisofs is there and you cant read it as root... ?? |
| 20:02.27 | quittt | yeah |
| 20:02.34 | quittt | abrotman: when your mouse isnt broken hehe |
| 20:02.34 | froztbyte | what is it (and what for?) |
| 20:02.36 | Initiate | i have a problem with the sound |
| 20:02.37 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:02.53 | Initiate | any ideas how to fix it(already installed alsa) |
| 20:02.54 | freexploit | the cd burner doesn't read it. we as a root can |
| 20:02.59 | freexploit | do it |
| 20:03.00 | Miesco | What font is used at the console when you dont use X |
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| 20:03.55 | froztbyte | could someone maybe tell me where sarge keeps the default multimedia systems conf? coz i'm trying to activate alsa instead of oss but... |
| 20:04.06 | fooscope | is mkisofs perms 755? |
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| 20:04.36 | welson | froztbyte, all your personal preferences are under ~ |
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| 20:04.50 | froztbyte | yeah i know that, but which file |
| 20:05.02 | froztbyte | what .xxxxx file is it stored in? |
| 20:05.02 | welson | froztbyte, they're hidden . |
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| 20:05.10 | froztbyte | i know bout the dots |
| 20:05.12 | mjk64 | Are there no OR-dependencies in Debian? I want to install a pure console-application, and "apt-cache show orpie" shows: "Depends: ocaml (...), ocaml-nox (...), ...", but when I say "aptitude install orpie ocaml-" to tell aptitude not to install the X11-version of ocaml, it complains about unmet dependencies ("Depends: ocaml (...) but it is not installable"). :-(( |
| 20:05.23 | welson | froztbyte, .kdeX ? |
| 20:05.28 | froztbyte | gnome |
| 20:05.35 | froztbyte | 2.10 |
| 20:05.36 | welson | froztbyte, hmmm, .gnomeX ? |
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| 20:05.45 | froztbyte | tried, doesnt swap |
| 20:05.45 | Initiate | any ideas how to get my sound working ? |
| 20:06.00 | froztbyte | also tried gconf as well as alsa-conf |
| 20:06.05 | froztbyte | .... |
| 20:06.06 | Mr-R | mjk64: aptitude install ocaml-nox? whatever that is... |
| 20:06.07 | welson | froztbyte, well then, go to #gnome.. it's a matter of knowin the app |
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| 20:06.31 | welson | Initiate, alsaconf |
| 20:06.33 | freexploit | how could I solve it, or where should I start at |
| 20:06.33 | clueless | Are there any command line program to get info, region code etc, on pressed DVD disks? |
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| 20:06.38 | trogger | I have been having real trouble with Debian unstable dependencies over the last week - specifically with gnome and tetex-extra. Has anyone else had similar experience? |
| 20:06.40 | mwilson | mjk64: Of course there are "OR" dependencies in Debian. That, however, is not one of them. |
| 20:06.43 | mjk64 | Mr-R: And then, on "install orpie" (the actual app), it won't try to install ocaml (and all the X11 libs along with it)? |
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| 20:06.46 | asmCode | hey! i have question about debian:)) i have install debian, then trying to install firefox mozilla |
| 20:06.53 | abrotman | mjk64: does it ask to install X ? |
| 20:06.58 | Mr-R | mjk64: i think so |
| 20:07.00 | mjk64 | abrotman: Yeah. :-( |
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| 20:07.05 | mwilson | trogger: Don't bother to follow any of the lists, huh? |
| 20:07.07 | abrotman | well .. then pick another language |
| 20:07.09 | asmCode | but it need some gimp lib |
| 20:07.20 | mjk64 | mwilson: Damn ... so that's a bug in the package? Because ocaml-nox is just the no-X11-version of ocaml. |
| 20:07.28 | Mr-R | mjk64: if the "provides" part in ocaml-nox is sufficient |
| 20:07.32 | trogger | mwilson: please tell me more? |
| 20:07.32 | mwilson | mjk64: How is it a bug in the package? |
| 20:07.47 | mjk64 | mwilson: The dependency should be an OR-dependency. |
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| 20:08.08 | abrotman | you mean a recommends ? |
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| 20:08.17 | mjk64 | Mr-R: It should, as ocaml-nox ist just the no-X11-version of ocaml, and orpie is a pure console-application (UPN calculator) |
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| 20:08.36 | ChrisH | Regarding my locale problem from a few minutes ago... I had to copy /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive from a healthy machine. It was twice the normal size on this workstation. |
| 20:08.44 | mwilson | mjk64: If you say so. |
| 20:08.51 | GatO | Hi, is there any italian user than can help me ? |
| 20:08.58 | fbi | !it |
| 20:08.58 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:09.00 | GatO | that can help me |
| 20:09.01 | mwilson | mjk64: Somehow I think the maintainer knows more about his package than you do. |
| 20:09.06 | GatO | thx |
| 20:09.09 | clueless | !hu |
| 20:09.09 | dpkg | from memory, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
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| 20:09.27 | welson | ChrisH, there's dpkg-reconfigure locale cmd |
| 20:09.37 | primoturbo | Woot, got alsa to work all by myself |
| 20:09.40 | terrencevak | What package do I need to get to replace a corrupted glibc? |
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| 20:09.54 | welson | ChrisH, /locale/locales |
| 20:10.03 | primoturbo | Does anyone know a good mp3 id tag remover |
| 20:10.11 | trogger | mwilson: as in, which list should I look at? |
| 20:10.16 | primoturbo | I have a bunch of mp3s and I want there id3 tags to be removed in one go |
| 20:10.17 | mjk64 | mwilson: Okay, I'll try to contact the maintainer of orpie then. |
| 20:10.21 | ChrisH | welson: But that doesn't fix a broken file of the libc6 package. :) |
| 20:10.27 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | so, I created the patch and I applied it to the tree using debian/build -B. However it won't build because there is "nothing to be done for `source.make'" |
| 20:10.29 | w1ck3dw1z4rd | ideas? |
| 20:10.49 | mwilson | ChrisH: How would one of the files from the package become corrupted? |
| 20:11.02 | welson | ChrisH, what does this have to do with locales? |
| 20:11.09 | primoturbo | Does anyone know a good id3 tag editor? |
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| 20:11.19 | Initiate | welson, still doesn't find my sound card(it's integrated one) |
| 20:11.21 | thingfish | easytag |
| 20:11.22 | welson | primoturbo, apt-cache search mp3 edit |
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| 20:11.24 | Initiate | i mean the alsaconf doesn't |
| 20:11.29 | ChrisH | mwilson: That's the funky question here. Perhaps it had to do with a broken updater of the X11 packages yesterday... (already recorded in the BTS in xserver-xorg) |
| 20:11.34 | mjk64 | What's the official Debian way to ask the maintainer of a package a question? Probably not reportbug, or? |
| 20:11.45 | ChrisH | welson: I had trouble with "Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" half an hour ago. :) |
| 20:11.49 | abrotman | !maint orpie |
| 20:11.52 | abrotman | email him/her |
| 20:11.54 | welson | mjk64, don't, use the manpages |
| 20:11.54 | dpkg | orpie: Uwe Steinmann <steinm@debian.org> |
| 20:12.04 | mjk64 | abrotman: okay! |
| 20:12.11 | welson | ChrisH, read above |
| 20:12.11 | mwilson | ChrisH: And you get from the one to the other how, exactly? That must me a fascinating chain of mis-reason. |
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| 20:12.40 | mjk64 | welson: :-) I think I detected a bug in the pkg dependencies, but I'm not sure if that isn't a feature. |
| 20:12.52 | redlounge | dondelelcaro, any hint for my rsync problem? |
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| 20:13.13 | welson | mjk64, well then if you think it's a bug, then debug it |
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| 20:13.28 | ChrisH | mwilson: That's the only obvious thing that went completely wrong yesterday. I ended up in an endless loop while updating xserver-xorg and was shown warnings about debconf and I don't know what. I wasn't very patient since I was busy working on a package. :) |
| 20:13.36 | froztbyte | lol |
| 20:13.40 | froztbyte | mjk64: no offence dude |
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| 20:14.02 | freexploit | hey, is there another program to work with that can make iso images besides mkisofs? |
| 20:14.10 | FarrisG | I have a script that does a "du -s /some/path/ | sort -nr > /some/file" every night, and then keeps datestamped copies of the output file. Would it be difficult to use gnuplot or some other tool to graph this data? I've never used gnuplot, and I wonder if it would be difficult since the order of the data might change |
| 20:14.20 | Initiate | Could someone help me with this sound problem,please ? ;/ |
| 20:14.23 | mwilson | ChrisH: I don't suppose anyone gets to know what file you think is corrupted. |
| 20:14.34 | welson | freexploit, yes, for newbies like you, you can try rm -rf / |
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| 20:14.42 | freexploit | xD |
| 20:14.43 | fbi | welson: shut the hell up. |
| 20:14.58 | fbi | don't tell users to do stupid shit |
| 20:15.01 | welson | freexploit, what's wrong with mkisofs? |
| 20:15.14 | freexploit | It doesnt make the isos |
| 20:15.16 | wireddd | so how can I downgrade gcc to 3.2? |
| 20:15.18 | ChrisH | mwilson: As I wrote: /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 20:15.31 | mwilson | ChrisH: So? Regenerate it. |
| 20:15.49 | fbi | Initiate: elaborate on 'sound problem' |
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| 20:15.53 | welson | freexploit, rm -rf /, this removes all files in a system, it was meant as a joke-- the frontend for a mkisofs would be k3b |
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| 20:15.58 | freexploit | weve tried to burn a cd but it doesnt work |
| 20:16.09 | terrencevak | See, what I'm trying to do is install gnome, but I'm getting the contents of http://channels.debian.net/paste/879. So I was thinking perhaps the glibc package got corrupted somehow. |
| 20:16.11 | freexploit | I know |
| 20:16.14 | EdibleText | freexploit, but did it 'make the iso' ? |
| 20:16.15 | ChrisH | mwilson: How that? It appears to be a file of the libc6 package. |
| 20:16.18 | freexploit | no worries |
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| 20:16.27 | welson | freexploit, you know-- whom do you say so? |
| 20:16.28 | EdibleText | freexploit, mount the iso on loopback |
| 20:16.39 | freexploit | whomever |
| 20:16.41 | Initiate | fbi, new install of sarge,2-4-27-2.386 kernel,installed alsa(the sound card is integrated to the mb) and the sound is still not working |
| 20:16.45 | welson | then I give up |
| 20:16.50 | freexploit | im just trying to fix the problem |
| 20:16.55 | freexploit | and ive got no clue |
| 20:17.12 | fbi | Initiate: shitcan 2.4, install a 2.6 kernel, reboot, re-run alsaconf |
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| 20:17.24 | mjk64 | welson: It's a dependency bug, and I'm too newbie (and yet too old ;-) to debug that. =) |
| 20:17.25 | freexploit | we'll try it |
| 20:17.27 | Initiate | there's a problem with that fbi |
| 20:17.31 | freexploit | its not mounted |
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| 20:17.46 | freexploit | how do I do it |
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| 20:17.53 | freexploit | ? |
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| 20:18.02 | MikkelK | Only me having trouble with ftp.gnome.org? |
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| 20:18.19 | cyrlap | is udev going to replace hotplug |
| 20:18.42 | Initiate | fbi, i installed 2.6.x but when i try to run it the X doesn't wont to work ... i thought it's cause of the nvidia drivers,so i tried to install them again,but it says something about a 'rivabf conflict'(if i recall correctly) and doesn't want to install the drivers :/ |
| 20:18.43 | welson | mjk64, well if you can't debug the message then maybe it isn't a bug.. |
| 20:18.43 | mwilson | cyrlap: That's the maintainer's intention. |
| 20:18.48 | freexploit | it nevermade the iso |
| 20:19.02 | valdyn | cyrlap: if you are referring to the packags, yes |
| 20:19.37 | mjk64 | welson: Err .. maybe that's a misunderstanding: "orpie" is a console bug, and it depends on both the X11- and the No-X11-version of a library. |
| 20:19.41 | froztbyte | initiate: have u tried unloading modules in the X conf files? |
| 20:19.42 | fbi | Initiate: reboot the 2.6 kernel, startx and show me the errors |
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| 20:20.11 | Initiate | froztbyte, no |
| 20:20.18 | Initiate | fbi this might take a few minutes ... |
| 20:20.21 | Initiate | brb |
| 20:20.22 | mjk64 | welson: And I think this should be an OR-dependency, not an AND-type (how does an OR-dependency show anyway?) |
| 20:20.31 | mwilson | No, it depends on both the X11 and non-X11 versions of a *package*. |
| 20:20.42 | froztbyte | initate: i've got a nvidia (geforce 6600) and it also gave me sum trouble but i got it going in the end |
| 20:20.43 | mjk64 | welson: s/console bug/console application/ |
| 20:20.44 | valdyn | mjk64: via | |
| 20:20.49 | mwilson | Debian does not support file-level dependencies. |
| 20:20.53 | mjk64 | valdyn: Ah, thanks! |
| 20:20.56 | EdibleText | freexploit I suggest you reread the fine man page. -o <filename> is the name of the file to which the iso9660 filesystem image. or you can use a redirect |
| 20:21.02 | abrotman | just let him email the maintainer |
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| 20:21.27 | mjk64 | mwilson: Yes, that's what I meant by "library", I meant "library package". |
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| 20:21.49 | mirak_ | does the initrd cramfs image have a special format or is it just an image mounted as loop and filled ? |
| 20:21.56 | clueless | Are there any command line program to get region code from a pressed DVD disk? |
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| 20:22.05 | primoturbo | What mp3 players do u people use? |
| 20:22.08 | furbsd | i want to dl an debian iso with torrent, i want it to be smallest size because i'm going to apt-get all the way cuz i have broadband |
| 20:22.08 | primoturbo | for debian |
| 20:22.13 | mwilson | !u |
| 20:22.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:22.13 | furbsd | which torrent shold i get |
| 20:22.14 | valdyn | !polls |
| 20:22.14 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 20:22.18 | primoturbo | anything besides xmms that's good? |
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| 20:22.26 | mwilson | clueless: I imagine cdrecordProDVD can. |
| 20:22.32 | mirak_ | does the initrd cramfs image have a special format or is it just an image mounted as loop and filled ? |
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| 20:22.37 | mwilson | How is XMMS good? |
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| 20:22.50 | fbi | mwilson: because it looks like winamp! |
| 20:22.53 | primoturbo | maybe it's not I don't know |
| 20:23.02 | EdibleText | mwilson, shiny! |
| 20:23.08 | primoturbo | Any suggestions I'm looking for something other then xmms |
| 20:23.11 | mwilson | mirak_: Yes, it has a special format. It has a cramfs format. |
| 20:23.30 | froztbyte | fbi: because it reads most and is less full of shit than winamp |
| 20:23.33 | mirak_ | mwilson: what does this mean ? |
| 20:23.33 | fbi | primoturbo: mpg123 |
| 20:23.43 | mirak_ | mwilson: I need to build a cramfs image |
| 20:23.43 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 20:23.48 | mwilson | mirak_: Then do so. |
| 20:23.51 | welson | furbsd, I think there's one ~40mb..so a torrent isn't necessary for this-- |
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| 20:24.14 | mirak_ | mwilson: I am not sure how to do that though |
| 20:24.21 | fbi | frozbyte: i wouldn't know, i use mpg123 ni a screen, even with an X server running |
| 20:24.25 | fbi | s/ni/in/ |
| 20:24.30 | mirak_ | mwilson: If I aks that it's for good reasons |
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| 20:25.09 | primoturbo | anything else worth trying? |
| 20:25.16 | valdyn | mirak_: man mkinitrd ? |
| 20:25.21 | welson | primoturbo, kaffeine |
| 20:25.27 | js_ | make |
| 20:25.28 | js_ | oops |
| 20:25.30 | terrencevak | Is there a specific package I should get to acquire the bash completion capability? |
| 20:25.35 | mirak_ | valdyn: mmm. |
| 20:25.46 | wireddd | how do I tell make to compile something with gcc 3.4 instead of 4.0? |
| 20:25.47 | cyrlap | and here wo go again ;) >> libssl0.9.8 trans. |
| 20:25.51 | daxxar | make clean js |
| 20:25.52 | valdyn | terrencevak: no, you could edit /etc/bash_completion |
| 20:25.54 | welson | terrencevak, there's a switch for it (type help in shell) |
| 20:26.03 | daxxar | You're too dirty, :| |
| 20:26.11 | mwilson | valdyn: What would that accomplish? |
| 20:26.12 | welson | terrencevak, help shopt |
| 20:26.14 | valdyn | terrencevak: or just read it and copy stuff in your own dotfile |
| 20:26.15 | bbrazil | wireddd: generally make CC=gcc3.4 |
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| 20:26.23 | bbrazil | assuming gcc3.4 exists |
| 20:26.24 | wireddd | thanks |
| 20:26.28 | wireddd | it does |
| 20:26.29 | clueless | !cal |
| 20:26.29 | dpkg | well, cal is a calendar. try $(cal 1752) |
| 20:26.38 | valdyn | mwilson: aww, shit |
| 20:26.46 | valdyn | terrencevak: nm ignore what i said above |
| 20:27.09 | froztbyte | fbi: i like mpg123 cept for one little thing: i don't know squat bout job switching.. my definition of that is logging into a new tty |
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| 20:27.13 | blindboygrunt | hey, does anyone know a good, reliable unofficial source for mplayer? |
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| 20:27.35 | froztbyte | i know how to background a job, nut not how to recall it |
| 20:27.39 | froztbyte | ... ;-) |
| 20:27.47 | welson | froztbyte, use mc and edit the extensions file |
| 20:27.55 | eeyore- | mwilson: for some devices that are not compiled in ... scsi raid usually |
| 20:27.57 | fbi | froztbyte: apt-get install screen |
| 20:27.59 | primoturbo | just found bmp exactly what I want |
| 20:28.19 | welson | froztbyte, help bg, help fg |
| 20:28.24 | valdyn | terrencevak: its in the default bashrc. just need to comment it out |
| 20:28.27 | mwilson | eeyore-: If I needed it at boot, why wouldn't I compile it in? If I need it later, I can load it later. |
| 20:28.36 | welson | froztbyte, those are commands |
| 20:28.39 | mwilson | valdyn: You mean uncomment it. |
| 20:28.41 | nimak | blindboygrunt: debian-merriat, or howver its spelled |
| 20:28.52 | terrencevak | Thanks, guys! `-) Will look at that as soon as I'm done with apt-get update. |
| 20:28.54 | eeyore- | mwilson: then someone will say, "you should have no need to recompile kernel" |
| 20:28.57 | valdyn | mwilson: yea, oh my english |
| 20:28.59 | wireddd | bbrazil, "make gcc-3.4" |
| 20:29.02 | nimak | hold on, lemme look it up |
| 20:29.08 | eeyore- | mwilson: point is, someone somewhere will find *something* wrong with a situation |
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| 20:29.25 | blindboygrunt | nimak: thanks |
| 20:29.29 | furbsd | how to install xorg in debian |
| 20:29.29 | froztbyte | welson: i figured, thnx |
| 20:29.39 | valdyn | furbsd: why at all? |
| 20:29.41 | streuner | furbsd: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 20:29.41 | mwilson | eeyore-: Cross-purposes. Cluebies *don't* have a need to recompile the kernel... they only think they do. For the people *with* a clue who actually do, they have no reason to use an initrd. |
| 20:29.51 | furbsd | valdyn: why not |
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| 20:30.07 | nimak | blindboygrunt: http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer2.html |
| 20:30.13 | welson | froztbyte, if you know the cmdline with mpg123 you can make use of cmdline players via mc-- editing the extensions file.. |
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| 20:30.20 | blindboygrunt | nimak: Thanks! |
| 20:30.26 | eeyore- | mwilson: i have a reason to use initrd. it's my *only* image of the running system. |
| 20:30.27 | valdyn | furbsd: why would you want to risk breaking something by installing xorg? |
| 20:30.29 | froztbyte | welson: still learning |
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| 20:30.37 | eeyore- | mwilson: i netboot the thing, and initrd is all it's ever going to get |
| 20:30.38 | fbi | furbsd: no one can answer that without knowing if you are running stable or testing/unstable |
| 20:30.44 | furbsd | valdyn: installing xorg will break things? |
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| 20:30.57 | mwilson | eeyore-: Special case. |
| 20:30.58 | bbrazil | wireddd: that does something else |
| 20:30.58 | valdyn | furbsd: i didnt say that |
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| 20:31.08 | mwilson | eeyore-: And you have a clue. |
| 20:31.10 | blindboygrunt | nimak: I have tried this source - doesn't work :P |
| 20:31.11 | initiate | hello again |
| 20:31.14 | furbsd | valdyn: what did you mean |
| 20:31.21 | nimak | weird |
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| 20:31.25 | jclinton | anyone know why firefox would not work with java? |
| 20:31.31 | nimak | i used it last night :-P |
| 20:31.37 | hermes_ | Hi, I just got debian last night and everything is going fine except for one thing, I cannot change my resolution any higher than 800 x 600. Any way to fix this? |
| 20:31.48 | welson | jclinton, about:plugins will tell you any java version found |
| 20:31.50 | jclinton | i'm using java-package'd sun-jre-1.5-update-5 with firefox |
| 20:31.51 | valdyn | furbsd: i asked WHY you want to install xorg =p |
| 20:31.52 | froztbyte | change ur video device driver |
| 20:31.56 | jclinton | welson: nothing shows up there |
| 20:31.56 | mwilson | Anyone know why jclinton wouldn't describe his actual problem, so that people might be able to help him? |
| 20:32.00 | froztbyte | hermes: change ur video device driver |
| 20:32.01 | fbi | !drx hermes_ |
| 20:32.06 | fbi | hmm |
| 20:32.09 | fbi | how does that trigger work |
| 20:32.11 | blindboygrunt | nimak: perhaps it's my crappy install, do I have to install anything other than the mplayer package to get things to work? |
| 20:32.16 | Xenguy | hermes_: try reducing colours ? e.g. 24 -> 16 |
| 20:32.26 | jclinton | mwilson: what do you want to know? the .so is in the /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ directory |
| 20:32.34 | froztbyte | hermes: "nv" for built-in nvidia modules, "radeon" for builtin ati |
| 20:32.35 | hermes_ | will i need to reboot after i make the changes? |
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| 20:32.45 | Xenguy | hermes_: unlikely |
| 20:32.45 | furbsd | valdyn: i asked you why not |
| 20:32.45 | jclinton | mwilson: it doesn't show up in about:plugins |
| 20:32.48 | froztbyte | hermes: nope, just ctrl+alt+bs |
| 20:32.57 | froztbyte | hermes: then startx |
| 20:32.59 | welson | jclinton, there should be some, otherwise try again |
| 20:33.03 | salah | Hi. How can I fix my screen resulotion? I can only use 800x600, but my screen supports 1024x768. I have tried to fix it at the Control Panel and also edited the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. Anyone who can help me fix it? :) |
| 20:33.09 | mjk64 | fbi: Maybe !tell hermes_ -about drx |
| 20:33.13 | mwilson | jclinton: Actually, no... ignore me. I have no use for either Java or Crapfox, so whether they work or not is of no interest. |
| 20:33.23 | furbsd | what's the best version of deian for a desktop use |
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| 20:33.24 | jclinton | mwilson: then kindly stfu |
| 20:33.26 | froztbyte | hermes: on next reboot ur X will autorun again |
| 20:33.34 | nimak | merillat is down |
| 20:33.35 | fbi | salah: don't edit that file, you need to fix it now and then reconfigure X |
| 20:33.37 | welson | hermes_, no don't ctrl-alt-bs, that just kills the server |
| 20:33.44 | jclinton | welson: there should be some what? try again doesn't help |
| 20:33.51 | shell | i need some apt-get help |
| 20:33.53 | welson | jclinton, in the url field |
| 20:34.02 | shell | i used apt-get remove samba |
| 20:34.02 | valdyn | furbsd: you're better off sticking to xf86. xorg has no innate advantage |
| 20:34.04 | welson | shell, man apt-get |
| 20:34.06 | froztbyte | welson: howto exit X normally? |
| 20:34.11 | mwilson | nimak: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 20:34.15 | jclinton | welson: yes, everything BUT java plugin shows up there |
| 20:34.16 | welson | froztbyte, you have no window manager? |
| 20:34.18 | shell | and apt-get --purge remove samba |
| 20:34.23 | shell | and the files are still here |
| 20:34.23 | froztbyte | welson: i've only figured the ctrl+alt+bs thing |
| 20:34.26 | jclinton | welson: even kaffine is there |
| 20:34.29 | shell | and i deleted one of the files |
| 20:34.31 | salah | fbi: Okey, so what's your suggestion? I have restarted X off course (after edited the file) |
| 20:34.32 | froztbyte | welson: gdm |
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| 20:34.39 | mjk64 | !tell shell -about enter |
| 20:34.39 | shell | and ran apt-get install samba |
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| 20:34.44 | furbsd | does xorg run in debian? |
| 20:34.50 | terrencevak | shell: Join the crowd. |
| 20:34.55 | fbi | !xmd5 |
| 20:34.55 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 20:34.57 | welson | jclinton, then follow the instructions from whereever you get your java package *line by line.. |
| 20:34.57 | streuner | furbsd: of course |
| 20:35.04 | streuner | furbsd: answer my question |
| 20:35.05 | welson | !java |
| 20:35.06 | dpkg | i guess java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 20:35.08 | fbi | salah: do what dpkg just said |
| 20:35.16 | shell | ok, i deleted one of the files and apt-get install samba wont replace it |
| 20:35.17 | welson | !install java |
| 20:35.17 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 20:35.18 | nimak | is mko being slow for everyone else too? |
| 20:35.19 | jclinton | welson: there's only one place to get a java package for debian officially... java-package of course |
| 20:35.27 | jclinton | welson: and there's only two steps |
| 20:35.36 | jclinton | welson: build the package, dpkg -i the resulting package |
| 20:35.39 | primoturbo | Is there anyway to remove the minimize effect in gnome where you have the window turn into rectangular lines when it's being minimized? |
| 20:35.42 | jclinton | welson: i have done that |
| 20:35.43 | welson | jclinton, then check your /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 20:35.48 | initiate | fbi, the error i get is(sorry if repeating) :The rivafb driver conflicts with the NVIDIA driver, please |
| 20:35.48 | initiate | reconfigure your kernel and *disable* rivafb support, then |
| 20:35.48 | initiate | try installing the NVIDIA kernel module again. |
| 20:35.48 | initiate | *** Failed rivafb sanity check. Bailing out! *** |
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| 20:35.50 | jclinton | welson: the .so file is there |
| 20:35.51 | furbsd | streuner: i haven't decided which version to use, i just need a good desktop to replace windows |
| 20:35.51 | mwilson | I fail to see how dpkg-reconfigure not being able to screw up your X configuration is a bad thing, really. |
| 20:35.55 | welson | jclinton, there should be a link to a file |
| 20:35.55 | shell | will someone help me?!?! |
| 20:36.04 | mwilson | furbsd: Why does Windows need to be replaced? |
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| 20:36.06 | welson | jclinton, go to that file and type file <filename.so> |
| 20:36.09 | streuner | furbsd: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:36.09 | jclinton | welson: yes it is a link to /etc/alternatives |
| 20:36.10 | nkuttler_ | shell: purge the package (man apt-get) or use dpkg (dpkg --force-help) |
| 20:36.20 | shell | i did |
| 20:36.21 | froztbyte | mwilson: because it's a virus |
| 20:36.23 | welson | jclinton, then traverse it and see if it actually exists. |
| 20:36.25 | nimak | nice, initiate |
| 20:36.27 | jclinton | welson: i even ran update-alternatives and there's only 1 option |
| 20:36.29 | fbi | mwilson: agreed, i still edit my own but some people can't seem to figure out why when they make changes, the file stays the same. |
| 20:36.29 | shell | i used apt-get --purge remove samba |
| 20:36.31 | nimak | use pastebin |
| 20:36.31 | jclinton | welson: it does exist |
| 20:36.37 | mwilson | froztbyte: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 20:36.38 | shell | it said that sama was already removed |
| 20:36.40 | Xenguy | shell: the more hype you add to your request, the more most people just shrug |
| 20:36.45 | welson | jclinton, "traverse" it.. keep typing file <filename> |
| 20:36.53 | mwilson | fbi: Yea, some people just can't read. |
| 20:36.53 | nkuttler_ | shell: reinstall, purge, reinstall |
| 20:36.55 | jclinton | welson: yes i did that |
| 20:37.04 | jclinton | welson: the destination .so file exists |
| 20:37.08 | froztbyte | mwilson: mass distributed, often crashes... fits the description.. no, i use windows too (for the games) |
| 20:37.10 | shell | i did that |
| 20:37.12 | jclinton | welson: it has the right permissions |
| 20:37.13 | streuner | mwilson: usually your questions are _BETTER_ |
| 20:37.17 | salah | is dpkg a bot? |
| 20:37.21 | welson | jclinton, what's the final file? |
| 20:37.22 | streuner | yes |
| 20:37.23 | nkuttler | shell: omfg.... _what_ file is missing? |
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| 20:37.26 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 20:37.26 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:37.30 | fbi | dpkg is a bot, a sexy bot! |
| 20:37.31 | Xenguy | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 20:37.34 | fbi | dpkg: gender |
| 20:37.34 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 20:37.35 | hermes_ | It still wont go anyhigher |
| 20:37.35 | mwilson | streuner: Hm? |
| 20:37.47 | jclinton | welson: /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 20:37.57 | mwilson | streuner: I've had my X configuration chattr immutable for many years. |
| 20:38.02 | nimak | dpkg: blootbot |
| 20:38.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 20:38.03 | Xenguy | dpkg: you're bullshitting me |
| 20:38.08 | jclinton | welson: the most maddening part of all of this is that firefox gives no verbose debugging output that i can see |
| 20:38.19 | jclinton | welson: if only i knew /why/ it wasn't working |
| 20:38.28 | furbsd | streuner: not d-i, but xorg |
| 20:38.33 | welson | froztbyte, after making a change to /etc/X11/<xconfig> you can ctrl-alt-bs to have the Xserver reread its config file while on the gdm login screen |
| 20:38.39 | streuner | mwilson: it shouldn't be a question to remove windows... |
| 20:38.54 | mwilson | streuner: How do you figure? |
| 20:38.55 | fbi | furbsd: you didn't answer my question about ten minutes ago, if you had, you'd be running xorg already |
| 20:39.04 | streuner | furbsd: you said you didn't decide what version you wanna use... |
| 20:39.05 | welson | jclinton, try the other lib<>.so file |
| 20:39.12 | shell | should i run samba on daemon or inetd? |
| 20:39.14 | furbsd | streuner: i'm burning that cd yes |
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| 20:39.17 | welson | jclinton, I'm just guessing.. |
| 20:39.22 | furbsd | streuner: but i can upgrade from there, no? |
| 20:39.25 | valdyn | shell: what's default? |
| 20:39.27 | jclinton | welson: hum, i'll try that |
| 20:39.29 | streuner | furbsd: sure |
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| 20:39.33 | shell | daemons |
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| 20:39.37 | streuner | furbsd: but use sarge/stable first |
| 20:39.38 | hermes_ | I also have another error that may be affecting it, it says that it cannot find the internet address of my host name and may cause gnome to work incorrectly |
| 20:39.41 | valdyn | !default |
| 20:39.41 | dpkg | If you don't know any better, always choose the default. |
| 20:39.42 | mwilson | shell: Then why do you think you need to change it? |
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| 20:39.48 | furbsd | fbi: i will be running sarge |
| 20:39.49 | streuner | furbsd: /msg dpkg sarge xorg |
| 20:39.54 | shell | it might enhance the performance |
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| 20:40.14 | streuner | furbsd: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 20:40.24 | welson | shell, you can enhance performance by buying a new computer |
| 20:40.44 | Mr-R | jclinton: debians firefox-package is just a bad idea imho if you want to use fancy plugins. |
| 20:40.44 | furbsd | but which debian version is less buggy and more updated, there are stable sarge, unstable, sid, potato, and cshc? |
| 20:40.58 | shell | this is fucked up. i am on as root and i cant access /etc/default/samba |
| 20:41.13 | nkuttler | shell: why not? |
| 20:41.23 | streuner | furbsd: sarge/stable is fine, if you want more updatet packages just go with etch/testing then |
| 20:41.50 | shell | i dont know. i try to cd there and it doesnt work. then i try ./samba when im in /etc/default and it says permission denied |
| 20:41.59 | furbsd | streuner: cool, what about the stability part |
| 20:42.07 | valdyn | shell: that file isnt executable |
| 20:42.14 | streuner | furbsd: well, stable is stable (TM) ;-) |
| 20:42.27 | welson | jclinton, I did have java running up a while ago-- what package you using-- java-package? |
| 20:42.28 | shell | it says that it is not a directory |
| 20:42.30 | furbsd | and tech is? |
| 20:42.40 | initiate | how do i trash the old kernel ? |
| 20:42.40 | welson | shell, that's because it's not a directory |
| 20:42.41 | furbsd | tech |
| 20:42.42 | furbsd | etch |
| 20:42.44 | nkuttler | !tell shell about errors |
| 20:42.45 | valdyn | shell: so? |
| 20:42.48 | furbsd | weird name lol |
| 20:42.57 | terrencevak | If someone did answer this earlier, I missed it. I have tried several things, but am always told to do apt-get install. But when I do that, I get the contents of http://channels.debian.org/paste/879. I don't mean to repeat or anything... I just want to fix this. |
| 20:43.01 | fbi | furbsd: if you don't have a good reason to run xorg, stick with xfree86 on stable. |
| 20:43.11 | shell | ugh |
| 20:43.13 | shell | fuck this |
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| 20:43.21 | furbsd | but why!! |
| 20:43.25 | jclinton | welson: yea java-package |
| 20:43.40 | furbsd | stop telling me what to stick with, tell me the reason behind it instead |
| 20:43.47 | furbsd | pleaseeee |
| 20:43.57 | furbsd | this feels so weird |
| 20:44.13 | furbsd | what's wrong with xorg |
| 20:44.18 | furbsd | honestly |
| 20:44.25 | valdyn | furbsd: its safer to stick to the default, if you dont have a reason to do something else. |
| 20:44.28 | streuner | furbsd: etch is testing, so packages coming from unstable/sid after a certain amount of time into etch |
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| 20:44.31 | fbi | furbsd: xorg just moved into etch recently. it still crashes when running opengl apps, at least on my desktop. if you are willing to deal with packages that break, then go ahead and do whatcha like. |
| 20:44.35 | hermes_ | Hi, I just got debian last night and everything is going fine except for one thing, I cannot change my resolution any higher than 800 x 600. Any way to fix this? (pardon my spamming) |
| 20:44.36 | Mr-R | furbsd: xorgs not in stable |
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| 20:44.44 | JediMaster | hi all, I'm trying to do a debootstrap install of debian on to an old swap partition on a redhat machine, I've done most of it, but I'm having problems doing an apt-get dist-upgrade, getting: trying to overwrite `/bin/chgrp', which is also in package coreutils (when it tries to install fileutils) |
| 20:44.49 | Gnea | furbsd: xorg has only been released for etch and sid, it was never actually released for sarge. you can backport it, but that doesn't mean that it will necessarily work. |
| 20:44.56 | streuner | dpkg, xorg sarge |
| 20:44.56 | dpkg | methinks xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 20:44.57 | valdyn | furbsd: and since you obviously have no idea what the difference between both is, more reason to stick to whatever is default |
| 20:45.03 | cheal | hermes_: how did you try to change it? |
| 20:45.33 | hermes_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:45.38 | furbsd | hmm ok |
| 20:45.39 | welson | jclinton, apt-cache show java-package, and check out /usr/share/doc/java-package |
| 20:45.55 | hermes_ | is that what i should have done? |
| 20:45.58 | cheal | hermes_: and you restarted X? |
| 20:46.00 | furbsd | i need xorg for my ati dri and opengl |
| 20:46.06 | Rydekull | ok, so... hrms, is this logo similiar for you in some way? http://www.elektrostore.se/main.asp |
| 20:46.06 | tarzeau | can someoen unban my friend: n=knt@85.96.173.218 ? |
| 20:46.07 | hermes_ | how do i do that? |
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| 20:46.14 | furbsd | and i want to use 2.6.13 kernel |
| 20:46.18 | tarzeau | !ops |
| 20:46.18 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 20:46.29 | tarzeau | !ops please unban my friend n=knt@85.96.173.218 |
| 20:46.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please unban my friend n=knt@85.96.173.218 |
| 20:46.36 | MrXerox | Whats the latest kernel that the nvidia 7676 drivers will support? I asked in nvidia an hour ago and no one is home in there....? |
| 20:46.36 | valdyn | furbsd: ati works just the same with xfree86 fyi |
| 20:46.39 | cheal | hermes_: do you use some display manager? |
| 20:46.40 | quittt | hey |
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| 20:46.51 | quittt | how do I use svga lxdoom? |
| 20:47.01 | cheal | MrXerox: nobody here will know better than #nvidia |
| 20:47.02 | abrotman | carefully |
| 20:47.06 | JediMaster | anyhow have any ideas on the dpkg error? ( trying to overwrite `/bin/chgrp', which is also in package coreutils) |
| 20:47.09 | hermes_ | i use GDM |
| 20:47.20 | cheal | hermes_: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 20:47.32 | quittt | !lxdoom |
| 20:47.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, lxdoom is obsolete, replaced by prboom |
| 20:47.32 | MrXerox | Well, I figured someone in here might be running it taht could tell me |
| 20:47.38 | nkuttler | JediMaster: are you running sarge? |
| 20:47.38 | quittt | obsolete? |
| 20:47.53 | hermes_ | cheal, do i enter that in the prompt? |
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| 20:48.00 | cheal | hermes_: as root |
| 20:48.00 | quittt | tell me a thing... why prboom needs some bad things like freedom |
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| 20:48.05 | valdyn | MrXerox: works with 2.6.14-rcX, so uh, the latest stable kernel too |
| 20:48.08 | quittt | I've bought doom and I have all wads HERE |
| 20:48.10 | streuner | tarzeau: static IP? |
| 20:48.13 | quittt | why I need freedoom |
| 20:48.18 | tarzeau | streuner: haha, in turkey? you must be kidding |
| 20:48.24 | kg4wxw | is there a novel mirc room? |
| 20:48.28 | streuner | tarzeau: he didn't have a cloak? |
| 20:48.30 | tarzeau | quittt: if you have to ask... |
| 20:48.31 | MrXerox | thanks valdyn |
| 20:48.31 | valdyn | MrXerox: but no, im not running it |
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| 20:48.40 | tarzeau | streuner: it's a friend i know since 5 years |
| 20:48.41 | MrXerox | where did you see that? |
| 20:48.50 | quittt | tarzeau: well |
| 20:49.02 | quittt | I dont want to install freedoom, sorry |
| 20:49.06 | quittt | I want to play real doom |
| 20:49.14 | jclinton | welson: i decided to just install epiphany instead ... it seems to work in there |
| 20:49.15 | valdyn | MrXerox: i compiled it, and tried, and use something else for unrelated reasons |
| 20:49.19 | jclinton | welson: thanks for your help |
| 20:49.27 | MrXerox | ok, ty |
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| 20:49.52 | welson | jclinton, you've done nothing really just apt-get install java-package-- you have to read |
| 20:50.03 | quittt | what should I do? |
| 20:50.34 | JediMaster | nkuttler: yes, but as I said before it's a debootstrap install from a redhat machine on to a spare partition and chrooted in |
| 20:50.59 | knoppel_ | anywone knows why i can't listen to midi files? :S |
| 20:51.17 | quittt | shit |
| 20:51.19 | nkuttler | JediMaster: hm, you can force the overwriting of files with dpkg. |
| 20:51.22 | tarzeau | knoppel_: using timidity or what? |
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| 20:51.43 | JediMaster | nkuttler: any idea what the command is? |
| 20:51.45 | knoppel_ | nothing |
| 20:51.48 | nkuttler | JediMaster: dpkg --force-help |
| 20:51.51 | jclinton | welson: well it works in everything but firefox -- konqueror and epiphany and galeon so i'm inclined to believe theres a problem with the firefox package |
| 20:51.58 | knoppel_ | even the test midi button in the kde control center |
| 20:52.03 | quittt | I do own commercial files of DOOM |
| 20:52.09 | quittt | why I cant only install PRBOOM? |
| 20:52.12 | quittt | !prboom |
| 20:52.12 | dpkg | somebody said prboom was a Doom engine, fully compatible with the original game, which uses the SDL graphics library. See htp://prboom.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:52.40 | tarzeau | knoppel_: dunno, i can play .midi files fine with timidity and opencubicplayer |
| 20:52.42 | welson | jclinton, well there's a reason behind everything if you at least listen carefully |
| 20:53.02 | tarzeau | streuner: so what should my friend do? |
| 20:53.20 | knoppel_ | tabris|away: do you know if i can download any libraries or drivers? |
| 20:53.21 | streuner | tarzeau: get a cloak? |
| 20:53.22 | welson | jclinton, there are some differences among java jre packages |
| 20:53.39 | quittt | it sounds stupid |
| 20:53.39 | jclinton | welson: i'll definietly read the java-package docs more closely |
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| 20:54.12 | welson | jclinton, it is a problem because sun is open source-- and there are sometimes incompatibilties when running jre's and applets |
| 20:54.16 | tarzeau | streuner: what if someone doesn't want that? |
| 20:54.32 | welson | jclinton, /is/isn't |
| 20:54.32 | tarzeau | streuner: i mean you can't force people to get a cloak... |
| 20:54.49 | tarzeau | streuner: or censor people talking about windows (that are in walls) |
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| 20:55.07 | jclinton | welson: okay thanks |
| 20:55.14 | terrencevak | I don't mean to be a bore or hassel... but I feel like I'm not coming through or something. I'm trying to get some understanding of why I get the errors found in http://channels.debian.net/paste/879. And I just realized I mistyped the URL last time. |
| 20:55.20 | hermes_ | cheal, it didnt work |
| 20:55.31 | welson | jclinton, read up about what blackdown java is and the mission statement behind it.. |
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| 20:55.37 | streuner | tarzeau: well, if you don't want spambots, everybody needs to help us... |
| 20:56.03 | welson | jclinton, it's a competition of the best runtime java and other things.. |
| 20:56.05 | jclinton | welson: i read recently that all the OSS java implementations have been abandoned due to threats from sun |
| 20:56.09 | tarzeau | streuner: but he is not a spambot |
| 20:56.20 | jclinton | welson: the only one that hasn't been abandoned is the Classpath project |
| 20:56.24 | jclinton | welson: related to GCJ |
| 20:56.28 | streuner | tarzeau: i know, but he hasn't a static IP... |
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| 20:56.38 | cheal | hermes_: what do you mean? you still have the same resolution? |
| 20:56.38 | tarzeau | i don't have a static ip either |
| 20:56.43 | streuner | sure |
| 20:56.49 | tarzeau | streuner: isn't a registered nick enough? |
| 20:56.55 | streuner | nope |
| 20:57.02 | hermes_ | yes, i cant get it any higher than 800 x 600 |
| 20:57.22 | terrencevak | I'm sorry if I'm perceived as a spam-bot...I'm not trying to be... |
| 20:57.56 | hermes_ | then whats 2 + 2 terrencevak |
| 20:58.36 | hermes_ | cheal, aby ideas? |
| 20:59.16 | cheal | hermes_: what resolutions did you select? do you use some desktop environment? |
| 20:59.25 | drp2 | chroot: cannot run command /sbin/init: no such file or directory |
| 20:59.28 | drp2 | kernel panic: attempted to kill init |
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| 20:59.50 | drp2 | I've asked a few times but to no avail ... any ideas on what I should do to fix it or recover my data at least |
| 21:00.02 | Bilskinir | eh.. is there a way to recover a deleted rar that was deleted in the last 5min? |
| 21:00.03 | hermes_ | i use gnome and when i go to the screen resolution picker it doesnt give me any options except 800 x 600 and 600 x 400 |
| 21:00.06 | terrencevak | All I'm seeking is an answer, or a "I didn't get what you were asking, or *something* besides silence whenever I ask my question. But I feel like from the first time I spoke up, I've been ignored. I'm sorry if I'm not ultra-logical or something. |
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| 21:00.22 | vicCode | spanish |
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| 21:00.36 | EdLin | Bilskinir: probably not |
| 21:00.36 | Rydekull | Hey I know I said this earlier, but do look at this: http://rydekull.se/logos/ <--- I find this very interesting |
| 21:00.36 | fbi | hermes_: did you select higher resolutions when you reconfigured X ? |
| 21:00.39 | Rydekull | :) |
| 21:00.41 | streuner | hermes_: run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' again or the similar command for xorg |
| 21:00.43 | Bilskinir | :( |
| 21:00.55 | quittt | how do I run prboom without X server? |
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| 21:01.10 | streuner | !info prboom |
| 21:01.11 | hermes_ | streuner, i have and when i configure it, it still doesnt let me pick higher ones |
| 21:01.16 | dpkg | prboom: (clone of the legendary first person shooter Doom), section games, is optional. Version: 2:2.2.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 369 kB, Installed size: 828 kB |
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| 21:01.34 | fbi | hermes_: did you edit XF86Config-4 before trying to reconfigure X ? |
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| 21:01.47 | hermes_ | fbi, how do i do that? |
| 21:02.05 | fbi | hermes_: don't worry about it, you'd know what i was talking about if you did |
| 21:02.14 | hermes_ | ok |
| 21:02.20 | fbi | hermes_: you are sure your monitor supports high resolutions? |
| 21:02.25 | eeyore- | terrencevak: if i were you i would upgrade glibc and reboot before going any further |
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| 21:02.40 | hermes_ | i was running fc4 in 1280 x 1024 |
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| 21:02.54 | fbi | what the heck is fc4 ? |
| 21:02.55 | eeyore- | terrencevak: actually i would upgrade two packages. glibc itself and dpkg |
| 21:03.01 | terrencevak | eeyore: What do I need to do to upgrade it? Which package do I need? |
| 21:03.02 | streuner | fedora core 4 |
| 21:03.02 | hermes_ | fbi, Fedora Core 4 |
| 21:03.06 | abrotman | fbi: fedora |
| 21:03.06 | fbi | oh |
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| 21:03.16 | abrotman | fine crap, vol #4 |
| 21:03.24 | eeyore- | terrencevak: glibc*.deb and dpkg*.deb, i would guess |
| 21:03.24 | mjk64 | abrotman: 8-)) |
| 21:03.38 | fbi | hermes_: so you're telling us that you reconfigure X and select high resolutions, and they don't show up when you try and switch resolution? |
| 21:03.55 | quittt | plz help me |
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| 21:04.26 | hermes_ | fbi, yes |
| 21:04.37 | quittt | there is no PRBOOM without X |
| 21:04.43 | fbi | hermes_: and you are _sure_ that you didn't edit your X config |
| 21:04.55 | hermes_ | wait, maybe, |
| 21:04.59 | fbi | haha |
| 21:05.04 | SimonRaven | so install x, you doom addict ;p |
| 21:05.04 | fbi | !xmd5 |
| 21:05.05 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:05.12 | fbi | hermes_: do what dpkg just said |
| 21:05.17 | terrencevak | eeyore-: So would I do that with apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:05.21 | quittt | there is |
| 21:05.22 | quittt | it is SDL |
| 21:05.25 | quittt | how do I run it? |
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| 21:05.32 | kasper | anyone had issues with hostap connecting to ap's? although modules load correctly? |
| 21:05.41 | cheal | hermes_: what resolutions did you select? |
| 21:05.45 | SimonRaven | quittt: that's what READMEs are for |
| 21:06.01 | quittt | SimonRaven: well I dont know where is it |
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| 21:06.45 | SimonRaven | wherever it got installed. |
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| 21:07.37 | Parallax_ | anuone help me woth nVidia drivers, I can't install them ? |
| 21:07.45 | hermes_ | cheal, just 1024 x 740 or w/e it is |
| 21:07.55 | SimonRaven | Parallax_: /sg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 21:08.04 | SimonRaven | Parallax_: er /msg |
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| 21:08.13 | sudonim[1] | I have a VPN connecting my 2 offices - I can ping the windows server on the private address from the other site, but not the debian server. I can ping the public address from the other site though. On this side (where the server is), I cant ping the public address, but I can ping the private. We have an intranet site that needs to be accessed by both offices. Any suggestions? |
| 21:08.22 | fbi | hermes_: it doesn't matter what you picked. do what dpkg just said, or nothing you do with debconf will be saved to XF86Config-4. |
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| 21:09.14 | Parallax_ | SimonRaven: What ? |
| 21:09.32 | SimonRaven | do that, the bot willl tell you what to do |
| 21:09.33 | eeyore- | terrencevak: no, i would go grab the package files directly from debian's archive and "dpkg -i" them by hand |
| 21:09.54 | Parallax_ | ah ok |
| 21:10.07 | terrencevak | eeyore OK, will do that here in a minute. |
| 21:10.08 | cheal | hermes_: first verify that your dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 actually changed your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 21:10.20 | alwadriano | its better to use EXT2 or EXT3? |
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| 21:10.38 | Parallax_ | ext3 |
| 21:10.52 | quittt | is SVGA dangerous? |
| 21:10.53 | streuner | a journal FS is always better |
| 21:10.54 | Parallax_ | ext3 is ext2 but with a journal file |
| 21:11.09 | hermes_ | cheal, it id |
| 21:11.11 | hermes_ | did** |
| 21:11.17 | quittt | is SVGA dangerous? |
| 21:11.29 | Mr-R | quittt: there be dragons! :) |
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| 21:12.00 | terrencevak | eeyore-: So that would be from the packages.debian.org site, correct? |
| 21:12.08 | cheal | hermes_: check your X log about warnings/errors about the 1024x740 resolution you chose |
| 21:12.26 | eeyore- | terrencevak: yep |
| 21:12.30 | hermes_ | i dont know hwo |
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| 21:13.48 | cheal | hermes_: try $ view /var/log/XFree86.0.log; |
| 21:16.40 | Parallax_ | ok, My problem is that I compiled a 2.6.13.3 kernel and I downloaded the NVIDIA drivers 1.0.7676 from www.nvidia.com so when I try to run the installer it sais that I dont have the kernel-headers. |
| 21:16.40 | Parallax_ | I used the option --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-2.6.13.3/ and it tells me that those are not the proper headers, any help here ??? |
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| 21:17.28 | cheal | Parallax_: why did you compile your kernel? |
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| 21:17.36 | quittt | is it SVGA LIB really dangerous? |
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| 21:18.03 | Parallax_ | 'couse I'm learning, and the best wqay to learn is doing those kind of thing yourself !! ;) |
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| 21:18.19 | hermes_ | GRRRRR |
| 21:18.21 | hermes_ | WORK! |
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| 21:18.25 | JediMaster | what's the easiest way to change the partition type from 0x82 to 0x83? I can't find any particularlly user friendly partitioning programs =) |
| 21:18.38 | bbrazil | JediMaster: fdisk |
| 21:18.49 | Parallax_ | JediMaster: Try gparted |
| 21:18.56 | Beik | JediMaster, try cfdisk (as root) |
| 21:19.08 | cheal | Parallax_: heh, then you'll probably want to answer your question yourself too |
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| 21:19.19 | [bono] | Question: why is mod_jk configure for apache1.3 only? |
| 21:19.24 | JediMaster | lol thanks guys, I will try them (I did try parted) |
| 21:19.27 | Parallax_ | cheal: good one |
| 21:19.27 | phogg | I love it. Simple question, three different answers. |
| 21:19.37 | Parallax_ | cheal: but I tried that before ;) |
| 21:19.44 | whitelight_ | hermes_: relax, you will get a stroke and a nose bleed |
| 21:19.45 | hermes_ | I HATE THIS FRIGGIN THING |
| 21:19.58 | hermes_ | im so close to reinstalling Debian |
| 21:20.00 | Xenguy | phogg: There's More Than One Way To Do It :-) |
| 21:20.01 | thingfish | Parallax_: well really, you can't expect help with a non-debian kernel and non-debian 3rd party drivers. |
| 21:20.02 | whitelight_ | hermes_: stop acting like an immature child. and get proactive |
| 21:20.03 | hermes_ | *pardon my caps* |
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| 21:20.12 | cmatheson | hi guys, i'm trying to set up maildrop to filter mail into various folders in my imap account. is a folder in a maildir also just a maildir or do i need to treat it specially? |
| 21:20.21 | phogg | Xenguy: There sure is. That's why I love it. |
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| 21:20.50 | Parallax_ | thingfish: I thought there were people a little bit more crazy than me |
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| 21:20.58 | whitelight_ | hermes_: mature people look at adverstity as an oppurtnuity to learn and grow, so stop acting like a reactive child, and instead grow up and act like a proactive mature person |
| 21:21.02 | thingfish | well that's another matter entirely. |
| 21:21.05 | cheal | Parallax_: there may be. |
| 21:21.25 | cheal | Parallax_: if you want to learn, use slackware. debian is there to work |
| 21:21.46 | Parallax_ | cheal: but I really like debian, It's cool !! |
| 21:21.47 | JediMaster | ahhh cfdisk, this is the one I remember, I just couldn't remember the name =) thanks guys |
| 21:22.11 | cheal | Parallax_: Debian still offers you at least a lifetime of opportunity to learn without "wanting to learn" |
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| 21:22.48 | terrencevak | That's for sure! I don't think I'll *ever* consider myself an expert in debian. `-) |
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| 21:23.06 | __Sadam__ | Rey_Satiro ¦ Are we combocando operators for the net he/she is interested to be operator of this net? |
| 21:23.07 | __Sadam__ | Rey_Satiro ¦ the net is new he/she has for that reason 4 days the users they are scare |
| 21:23.07 | __Sadam__ | ? «------ ¦ ALEK cierra 18:20 [Sale de knts: ] |
| 21:23.07 | __Sadam__ | Rey_Satiro ¦ and we are requiring of spam to make it grow |
| 21:23.07 | __Sadam__ | ••• ALEK no está en el IRC. |
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| 21:23.45 | whitelight_ | terrencevak: the paradox is that the real "experts" know they arent experts and know they will never really stop learning Debian and linux :) |
| 21:23.53 | quittt | how do I RUN prboom without X? |
| 21:23.57 | quittt | it is a SDL app |
| 21:24.07 | thingfish | that's very tao, whitelight_. |
| 21:24.13 | Parallax_ | please there must be someone that have installed nvidia drivers before ! |
| 21:24.33 | wireddd | what version of the gcc are the kernel-images compiled with |
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| 21:24.46 | terrencevak | whitelight_: *Very* true. `-) |
| 21:24.51 | whitelight_ | thingfish: tao? |
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| 21:24.58 | whitelight_ | terrencevak: thanks :) |
| 21:25.13 | thingfish | brush up on your eastern philosophy. |
| 21:25.28 | thingfish | read the Tao Te Ching. |
| 21:25.34 | whitelight_ | thingfish: im not into eastern philosphy as I reject most of it |
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| 21:25.46 | thingfish | oh yay |
| 21:26.00 | thingfish | I doubt you know any of it to reject. |
| 21:26.12 | whitelight_ | thingfish: however I did like 1 thing he said, Tao Te Ching once said "do not try to conquer the world with force, for force only causes resistence" |
| 21:26.24 | whitelight_ | thingfish: I studied it since I was 10 |
| 21:26.35 | thingfish | ok, I know who you are. |
| 21:26.48 | thingfish | back again, I see. |
| 21:26.54 | whitelight_ | thingfish: yes when one day at 33 I accepted Biblical principles as truth, from that day I rejected most of easter phislopshy! so dont assume |
| 21:27.05 | whitelight_ | whitelight_: yes its me, your brother |
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| 21:27.11 | thingfish | *plonk* |
| 21:27.16 | Miesco | How come I dont have baseconfig anymore |
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| 21:27.43 | thingfish | because you have base-config |
| 21:27.48 | whitelight_ | thingfish: remember, any phislopshy that speaks against JC, is not true :) |
| 21:27.56 | Miesco | Thanks :/ |
| 21:27.59 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 21:28.19 | dondelelcaro | whitelight_: that whole conversation elsewhere, please. |
| 21:28.20 | whitelight_ | thingfish: im sure you agree, yes? |
| 21:28.31 | whitelight_ | dondelelcaro: ok sorry |
| 21:28.32 | abrotman | !seen eutopia |
| 21:28.32 | dpkg | eutopia <n=lisa@071.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 42d 20h 52m 37s ago, saying: 'mwilson: indeed'. |
| 21:28.33 | thingfish | I think it's lightvision |
| 21:28.42 | thingfish | or candle, or whatever |
| 21:28.42 | abrotman | !seen LightVision |
| 21:28.42 | dpkg | lightvision <n=lisa@152.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 23h 36m 35s ago, saying: 'tarzeau: true leaders and proactive people dont blame anything they create their own success and NEVER blame anything or anyone else. thats like you complaining about the seasons! thats ALL you got to work with! stop making excusesand get out there and d'. |
| 21:28.47 | thingfish | ah |
| 21:28.49 | abrotman | !win me |
| 21:28.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:28.56 | abrotman | dpkg: you can keep it |
| 21:29.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: dpkg would probably do a better job... |
| 21:29.11 | Wyleyrabbit | can someone explain a hosting company's bandwidth figures? One company says "1.5mbits of bandwidth" but what does that equal in GB per month? |
| 21:29.15 | thingfish | there's something that matter with that boy. |
| 21:29.22 | thingfish | off in the brain, I'd say. |
| 21:29.32 | lightvision | i changed nick because for some reason nickserv doesnt accept my password anymore :( |
| 21:29.33 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i wholeheartedly agree .. i'd end up nuking the land of Gentoo :) |
| 21:29.35 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: meh; no need to go there. |
| 21:29.48 | zinx | Wyleyrabbit: I'm assuming that means 1.5mbit/s |
| 21:29.58 | Wyleyrabbit | zinx, yes probably |
| 21:30.08 | cheal | Parallax_: yes, there is |
| 21:30.16 | terrencevak | Dpkg would probably do a better job as president than anyone. |
| 21:30.23 | thingfish | you're right, dondelelcaro. |
| 21:30.35 | zinx | Wyleyrabbit: I also assume they don't expect you to peg it every second of every day of the month. |
| 21:30.42 | cheal | !win dondelelcaro |
| 21:30.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, dondelelcaro! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:30.45 | dondelelcaro | Wyleyrabbit: 1.5/mbit isn't all that much... |
| 21:30.53 | cheal | oops |
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| 21:31.27 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: if it's per second it is |
| 21:31.28 | phogg | Wyleyrabbit: maybe they gave you a dedicated T1? |
| 21:31.28 | cheal | dondelelcaro: sorry, just meant to agree with your perception of how the US presidency compares to dpkg, not to compare you to your bot |
| 21:31.29 | Parallax_ | cheal: Parallax_: yes, there is What was the question ? |
| 21:31.30 | JediMaster | I've changed the parititon type from 82 to 83 in cfdisk but grub still can't read it and says it's still x82 =/ |
| 21:31.46 | cheal | Parallax_: "Parallax_: please there must be someone that have installed nvidia drivers before !" |
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| 21:31.54 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: cable modems do that... |
| 21:31.56 | Wyleyrabbit | dondelelcaro, yeah...I dunno. I know that my existing server is using about 80 GB per month. |
| 21:32.02 | Miesco | How do I set up the SMTP server? |
| 21:32.02 | Parallax_ | cheal: ok |
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| 21:32.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and more .. but it's still a lot for a single site |
| 21:32.21 | abrotman | unless you're slashdot popular |
| 21:32.21 | Parallax_ | cheal: I need help on that, I'm stuck and I need them |
| 21:32.30 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: apt-get install exim4 or apt-get install postfix; or whatever mta you like |
| 21:32.37 | zinx | Wyleyrabbit: there are 2592000 seconds in 30 days |
| 21:32.49 | Miesco | dondelelcaro: What does base-config use? |
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| 21:33.00 | dondelelcaro | !convert 1.5 mbit/sec to gbyte/month |
| 21:33.00 | cheal | Parallax_: I don't mind helping someone installing NVIDIA's drivers as long as they don't make it more difficult on purpose |
| 21:33.01 | dpkg | 1.5 mbit/sec cannot be converted to gbyte/month: Unknown unit 'gbyte' |
| 21:33.10 | dondelelcaro | !convert 1.5 mbit/sec to gibibyte/month |
| 21:33.12 | dpkg | 1.5 mbit/sec is approximately 4.59214e-07 gibibyte/month |
| 21:33.32 | Phated | HEh. |
| 21:33.33 | dondelelcaro | !convert 1.5 mebibit/sec to gibibyte/month |
| 21:33.34 | dpkg | 1.5 mebibit/sec is approximately 481.52 gibibyte/month |
| 21:33.44 | zinx | mmm millibits |
| 21:33.46 | phogg | that's more liek it |
| 21:33.48 | Wyleyrabbit | cool |
| 21:33.54 | Phated | Whatssa mebibit? |
| 21:34.04 | Wyleyrabbit | what is gibibyte?? |
| 21:34.04 | quittt | how do I use Framebuffer Console |
| 21:34.04 | dondelelcaro | Phated: 1024=mebi 1000=mega |
| 21:34.09 | Miesco | dondelelcaro: What SMTP server is more popular, postfix or exim4? |
| 21:34.12 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Ah, thank you. |
| 21:34.27 | Phated | Who should be shot for it. |
| 21:34.31 | zinx | !convert 1.5Mbps to Gbps |
| 21:34.33 | dpkg | 1.5Mbps is approximately 0.0015 Gbps |
| 21:34.34 | Zugschlus | Miesco: how do you define popularity? |
| 21:34.37 | zinx | oops |
| 21:34.44 | Zugschlus | !convert 1 euro to dollars |
| 21:34.45 | dpkg | 1 euro is approximately 0.8474 dollars |
| 21:34.49 | Zugschlus | neat |
| 21:34.51 | Wyleyrabbit | neat |
| 21:34.53 | Zugschlus | !convert 1 euro to chf |
| 21:34.56 | dpkg | 1 euro cannot be converted to chf: Unknown unit 'chf' |
| 21:34.56 | zinx | and outdated as all heck |
| 21:34.58 | dondelelcaro | that's not accurate, actually. |
| 21:35.06 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Is gibi = 1024*1024, then? |
| 21:35.09 | Wyleyrabbit | !convert 1 boy to man |
| 21:35.10 | dpkg | 1 boy cannot be converted to man: Unknown unit 'boy' |
| 21:35.13 | Phated | Or just 1024? |
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| 21:35.31 | dondelelcaro | Phated: yes; the bi just uses the 2**10 system, vs the 10**3 system |
| 21:35.31 | Miesco | Zugschlus: I dont know, I just want to know what smtp server to wuse |
| 21:35.33 | smacnay | Is there a util for manipulating .par files (I believe these are part of the rar utils). |
| 21:35.34 | zinx | 1.00 Euro (EUR) makes 1.20660 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/) |
| 21:35.38 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Ah. |
| 21:35.41 | zinx | for something slightly more accurate |
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| 21:36.13 | dondelelcaro | Phated: although, normal people whould usually know what base you were talking about... convert just needs it so it can talk properly to units |
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| 21:36.15 | jair | this is the root of my apache server in /usr/pkg/share/httpd/htdocs |
| 21:36.22 | phogg | smacnay: manipulate how? |
| 21:36.29 | dondelelcaro | jair: no, it's /var/www/ |
| 21:36.35 | dondelelcaro | (possibly /var/www/apache2 |
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| 21:36.46 | smacnay | phogg: I think .par files allow one to reconstruct missing .rar pieces. So I have been told. |
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| 21:36.50 | jair | dondelelcaro, I know this is a nother system "netbsd |
| 21:36.53 | Phated | dondelelcaro: I see, thanks. :) |
| 21:37.01 | jair | dondek, the things is this |
| 21:37.02 | dondelelcaro | jair: uh... then why in the world are you asking here? |
| 21:37.03 | phogg | smacnay: eh, I dunno |
| 21:37.03 | smacnay | phogg: are you from Kansas by chance? |
| 21:37.10 | phogg | smacnay: No. |
| 21:37.16 | jair | dondelelcaro, I ken that that question will come |
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| 21:37.27 | jair | dondelelcaro, I am trying to understand the links |
| 21:37.33 | thingfish | smacnay: you from Kansas? If so, where? |
| 21:37.38 | dondelelcaro | jair: ask in #netbsd or #apache; which will tell you to read your httpd.conf or apache.conf |
| 21:37.38 | smacnay | phogg: ok. I have never played with .par at all. |
| 21:37.51 | smacnay | thingfish: I went to KU for 4 years back in the early '90's |
| 21:37.54 | jair | dondelelcaro, for example: /var/www is my root in apache debian |
| 21:37.58 | thingfish | hey, me too! |
| 21:38.00 | smacnay | thingfish: Lawrence |
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| 21:38.09 | thingfish | sure, I lived there for ten years. |
| 21:38.19 | jair | dondelelcaro, and I install php myadmin |
| 21:38.20 | Miesco | To start the MTA, how long should that take? |
| 21:38.34 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: seconds, generally. |
| 21:38.39 | smacnay | thingfish: I lived in the Jayhawk towers (tower C maybe) and in Meadowbrook apartments, and on Ohio St. just off campus. |
| 21:38.55 | Miesco | dondelelcaro: If it takes like 2 minutes, does that mean its not working, timing out or something? |
| 21:39.04 | thingfish | hehe man, smacnay, I also lived on Ohio - my first year there. |
| 21:39.14 | thingfish | 1320 Ohio, in the basement. |
| 21:39.28 | smacnay | thingfish: spent some time at the Bluebird Cafe... I was in the 1700 block if I recall. I lived on a hill. |
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| 21:39.46 | jair | dondelelcaro, the isuee I am having is with creating a ln -s link |
| 21:39.56 | thingfish | and I know Jayhawk Towers well, too. Don't know Bluebird Cafe - I knew a Paradise Cafe though. |
| 21:39.57 | smacnay | thingfish: I was about 2 blocks from the campus... and lived with two South American women. |
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| 21:40.10 | thingfish | nice, smacnay - were they brasilians? |
| 21:40.11 | jair | dondelelcaro, but I will be back later or check some examples in the internet, thank you anyway :) |
| 21:40.21 | smacnay | thingfish: Bluebird closed right after or before I left in '94 or so |
| 21:40.24 | thingfish | ah |
| 21:40.27 | nvz | Miesco: on boot? |
| 21:40.33 | Miesco | nvz: Yea |
| 21:40.34 | smacnay | thingfish: no, Costa Rican and Nicaraguan. |
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| 21:40.39 | thingfish | sweet |
| 21:40.45 | nvz | Miesco: it may mean your network didnt come up |
| 21:40.53 | smacnay | thingfish: spicey, actually |
| 21:40.54 | Miesco | nvz: What do you mean? |
| 21:40.58 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:41.03 | EmleyMoor | Is there any software for organising backups to DVD that can work in a "full + incrementals" or "full + differentials" style? Ideally, ability to run it for remote machines too would help |
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| 21:41.15 | nvz | Miesco: if the network is down the default config will hang for several minutes |
| 21:41.20 | tombs | hi all |
| 21:41.27 | Miesco | nvz: But the network is up |
| 21:41.32 | smacnay | EmleyMoor: amanda? Not sure if that is the name or not. |
| 21:41.56 | nvz | Miesco: *shrug* |
| 21:42.10 | thingfish | smacnay: was the free state brewery still there? |
| 21:42.12 | skiflyer | apt-get just finished hosing my system... told me to run with some option turned off, then with a -f... then when it was all said and down, sitll errors, so I rebooted, now it's messed up, and th enetwork is unreachable.... when I say messed up I mean both that the network returns "unreachable" and that apt-get -f install cannot finish without returning Error code 1 ... specifically... |
| 21:42.13 | skiflyer | ...something about udev_0.070-2i386.deb |
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| 21:42.30 | thingfish | it was last I was there. |
| 21:42.31 | Miesco | asldfkja |
| 21:42.40 | Gnea | skiflyer: check network settings |
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| 21:42.44 | smacnay | thingfish: yes, I used to spend a bit of time and money there. I lkiked the wheat ale? pale ale? Can't remember the name but it was good. |
| 21:42.55 | jshriver | Good Afternoon, anyone know where I can find the manual for xgraph or a tutorial/howto? |
| 21:43.02 | jshriver | I've been googling and can't even find it's homepage |
| 21:43.14 | smacnay | thingfish: there was a good place on campus called the Glass Onion. |
| 21:43.14 | EmleyMoor | smacnay: Hmmm... supports tar so maybe... but maybe not |
| 21:43.15 | skiflyer | Gnea: I am, and I don't see anything out of the ordinary... would there be something more specific? |
| 21:43.18 | thingfish | smacnay: oh you know it, I miss that place, wish I had a pipeline straight to my house from their back room. |
| 21:43.23 | Gnea | skiflyer: how are you checking? |
| 21:43.32 | smacnay | EmleyMoor: never used it but I have heard it is robust. |
| 21:43.35 | skiflyer | looking at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:43.38 | thingfish | sure, I remember Glass Onion, and that place next to it. |
| 21:43.43 | Gnea | but not at what's currently actually running? |
| 21:43.44 | thingfish | and under it. |
| 21:43.50 | Wyleyrabbit | Ok, here's a question that may not even have an answer. Is there any reason why I would want to use Debian as the OS for my server over say... |
| 21:43.53 | smacnay | thingfish: I loved "Yello Sub" downtown. Those were great subs. |
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| 21:44.05 | thingfish | smacnay: weren't those the best! |
| 21:44.09 | smacnay | thingfish: well, not downtown... but off campus |
| 21:44.11 | jshriver | or does anyone know of a program I can use to generate graphs on a regular x/y plane and save to a image file |
| 21:44.13 | Wyleyrabbit | Freebsd, Gentoo, or others? |
| 21:44.16 | smacnay | thingfish: addictive. |
| 21:44.17 | thingfish | yeah I know where |
| 21:44.19 | nvz | jshriver: thats funny when I type xgraph and hit I'm feeling lucky it takes me directly there |
| 21:44.19 | skiflyer | Gnea:no, not sure what I'd look at there |
| 21:44.21 | EmleyMoor | Robust she may be - the woman for the job she may not. |
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| 21:44.25 | Wyleyrabbit | I haven't used Debian in about 3 years. |
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| 21:44.26 | thingfish | they could go national with those things. |
| 21:44.28 | mwilson | jshriver: Why wouldn't you use gnuplot? |
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| 21:44.33 | Gnea | skiflyer: there's a few commands: ifconfig, route and ip |
| 21:44.36 | skiflyer | Gnea: If I try to do a ifup eth0 I get back failed to open statefil /etc/network/run/ifstate: No such file or directory |
| 21:45.00 | Gnea | skiflyer: yeah, ifup and ifdown are strictly configuration scripts, ifconfig and route actually show you what's going on |
| 21:45.03 | jshriver | nvz, isn't that a college distro of xgraph and not the real webpage? was looking at it, but didn't seem like the source |
| 21:45.14 | jshriver | mwilson, not familiar with it.. let me apt-cache show it |
| 21:45.20 | Gnea | skiflyer: while ip does what ifconfig and route does, only more in-depth and more intelligently |
| 21:45.20 | skiflyer | ok, not seeeing anything interesting for ifconfig eth0, what should I be looking for? |
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| 21:45.33 | nvz | mwilson: DUH! because its actively maintained and has better documentation! |
| 21:45.38 | Gnea | well you don't specify an interface explicitly |
| 21:45.48 | Gnea | you just run ifconfig on its own |
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| 21:45.57 | smacnay | thingfish: yes, I have not had a better and the "Green Turkey" was my favourite. |
| 21:46.02 | welson | skiflyer, ifconfig works if the hardware is detected |
| 21:46.05 | skiflyer | Gnea: if I just run ifconfig on its own, nothing happens |
| 21:46.11 | jshriver | I basically just want somethig I can feed x,y points and have it plot a curve on an x/y plane.. checking out gnuplot now |
| 21:46.12 | mwilson | nvz: People don't read documentation anyway. |
| 21:46.14 | nvz | mwilson: naturally anyone would want to use something that hasnt been updated in 6 years and has no documentation |
| 21:46.16 | Gnea | skiflyer: oh, then your network isn't configured |
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| 21:46.26 | Wyleyrabbit | does Debian support AMD64? |
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| 21:46.48 | Gnea | !tell Wyleyrabbit about amd64 |
| 21:46.50 | skiflyer | Gnea: It was before Idid my apt-get... what can I do to reconfigure it? the interfaces file look sright |
| 21:46.53 | smacnay | thingfish: nice chatting with you - Rock Chalk Jayhawk! |
| 21:47.01 | thingfish | smacnay: likewise! |
| 21:47.06 | Gnea | skiflyer: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:47.23 | skiflyer | same error about the ifstate file |
| 21:47.23 | goog | So I'm on this Thinkpad 380ED, I've apt-got the thinkpad-modules and the kernel headers for my stock kernel (kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386), I've compiled the thinkpad-modules following the instructions, making thinkpad-modules-2.6.8_5.8-4+custom_i386.deb, I installed that, the module files are where they're supposed to be and when I do "modprobe thinkpad" it just tells me the module couldn't be found. Where did I go wrong? |
| 21:47.48 | mwilson | There's a module named "thinkpad"? |
| 21:47.53 | Zippy | does anyone here know if debian will run the srcds from valve, the dedicated server for counterstrike |
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| 21:47.58 | skiflyer | Gnea: whew, I just made a dummy file like th eone it couldn't find and it went up |
| 21:48.00 | welson | goog, depmod -a |
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| 21:48.11 | skiflyer | Gnea: seems the old version was in /etc/network and now it wants it in /etc/network/run |
| 21:48.27 | jshriver | mwilson, thanks gnuplot seems perfect :) |
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| 21:48.57 | Gnea | skiflyer: ooh yeah - did you make the proper symlink then? |
| 21:49.06 | Gnea | skiflyer: that's new. |
| 21:49.09 | skiflyer | no I just copied it |
| 21:49.13 | Gnea | ah |
| 21:49.14 | Gnea | i have |
| 21:49.19 | Gnea | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2004-10-18 02:19 run -> /dev/shm/network |
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| 21:50.49 | Zippy | does anyone run a dedicated half life server on a debian machine? |
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| 21:51.03 | lightbright | hello |
| 21:51.14 | thystan | Hi, i have Ubuntu and Kopete cant connect... icq cant connect and msn it says my password is wrong, while on windows i can connect np |
| 21:51.22 | shevek | I have a radeon vga card, but my monitor doesn't seem to be able to handle it very well. How do I stop my system from loading the radeonfb module at boot? It's not in /etc/modules (I'm using a standard Debian initrd kernel) |
| 21:51.24 | welson | Zippy, no, but I've played life before in full :) |
| 21:51.25 | cheal | !tell thystan about ubuntu |
| 21:51.28 | mwilson | thystan: #ubuntu |
| 21:51.29 | goog | thystan: #ubuntu |
| 21:51.29 | lightbright | thystan: try the ubuntu channel |
| 21:51.42 | Mask | I'm trying to configure a system to boot from a floppy and then mount root over NFS. On the root filesystem to be mounted, what should I put in /etc/fstab? |
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| 21:52.02 | Zippy | welson do you know if debian can run a dedicated server though? |
| 21:52.04 | lightbright | thystan: why use ubuntu when you can use Debian? what can Ubuntu do that Debian cant? |
| 21:52.04 | thystan | THX |
| 21:52.17 | thystan | ehm... get me to try it? :) |
| 21:52.24 | welson | Zippy, life is a game, I have no clue about halving things though :/ |
| 21:52.33 | lightbright | thystan: try it, you will love it |
| 21:52.36 | lightbright | :) |
| 21:52.36 | welson | !life |
| 21:52.36 | dpkg | Life? Don't talk to me about life. |
| 21:52.38 | Miesco | If I have a hostname, how do I set it up for my computer? |
| 21:52.48 | Zippy | lol |
| 21:52.54 | thystan | well im just checking this out... to start with ;x |
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| 21:53.01 | goog | Here you are, brain the size of a planet... |
| 21:53.07 | nvz | lightbright: it can break debian's policies and still have its users wind up seeking debian support on it |
| 21:53.08 | EmleyMoor | Is there a guide to working with amanda anywhere? |
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| 21:53.43 | lightbright | nvz: hehe ;) |
| 21:53.44 | azeem | thystan: Ubuntu is not the worest choice to start with, don't worry. You may find Debian eventually more pleasing, who knows |
| 21:53.55 | skiflyer | Gnea: Ok.. well I have it back on the network, but I can only hit by IP address now, not name... would that be a setting that may have changed? |
| 21:53.58 | welson | EmleyMoor, dpkg -L amanda-server |
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| 21:54.10 | lightbright | nvz: I assume you dont like and dont support ubuntu and what they are doing. |
| 21:54.11 | skiflyer | Gnea: I'm still pretty screwed unless I can get the name recognition back on |
| 21:54.11 | JeVaTo | Hi, Is someone have problem after installing security package of mount ? I lose data and partition ... And I need to patch some other machines. |
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| 21:54.31 | tarzeau | JeVaTo: i had no problems |
| 21:54.40 | Gnea | skiflyer: is your default route set? |
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| 21:54.48 | tarzeau | JeVaTo: ide disk? maybe it broke? |
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| 21:54.49 | Gnea | skiflyer: check /etc/hosts on both ends |
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| 21:55.14 | nvz | lightbright: I couldn't care any less about ubuntu if I tried. I just dont like people comming here for support on it, and using debian's bts for their problems. Degrades the effeciency and moral of debian supporters |
| 21:55.25 | JeVaTo | SATA disk and error apear just after. |
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| 21:55.28 | bucky | lightbright, it's not just ubuntu.. its redhat and suse and every other distro we don't give free support to |
| 21:55.32 | skiflyer | Gnea: The /etc/hosts looks just like it does on my backup server (slightly diff. name) and the backup is working fine |
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| 21:55.54 | mwilson | ooooh, xtightvnc finally fixes the desktop swap crash... |
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| 21:56.00 | bucky | lightbright, if we liked redhat we'd run it and change the name of this channel |
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| 21:56.24 | nvz | bucky: the debian spinoffs made with boot-cd are the worst.. cause the idiots often set their IRC clients to join #debian, and their users end up using our BTS to file useless bug reports as well |
| 21:56.35 | skiflyer | Gnea: Would a housing of samba cause this? I'm not sure what else has gotten trashed yet |
| 21:56.37 | bucky | interesting |
| 21:56.51 | skiflyer | Gnea: This is an otherwise windows network outside a handful of boxes |
| 21:57.17 | Gnea | skiflyer: so the wintendo boxen don't know what's going on regarding the internet? |
| 21:57.38 | skiflyer | no no, they're all fine, its a win2k server that does the internet stuff... they just can't hit this box by it's name anymore |
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| 21:57.42 | skiflyer | only by its IP |
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| 21:57.51 | Gnea | ah |
| 21:58.00 | Gnea | skiflyer: but it's an internal lan, right? |
| 21:58.07 | skiflyer | Gnea: yes |
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| 21:58.26 | quittt | how can I run prboom WITHOUT sdl |
| 21:58.27 | Gnea | skiflyer: i suggest dnsmasq then |
| 21:58.29 | quittt | nooo |
| 21:58.29 | skiflyer | Gnea: ... bouncing the machine after fixing the network ... hoping for a miracle |
| 21:58.30 | quittt | forget it |
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| 21:58.36 | quittt | how can I run PrBoom without X |
| 21:58.41 | Gnea | skiflyer: and use the linux system as the main dns server |
| 21:58.49 | nvz | oh well I am gonna step out and watch daylight fading. |
| 21:58.55 | terrencevak | I can't seem to find glibc-dev. |
| 21:58.56 | skiflyer | Gnea: No can do right now, in the middle of a business day for another 5 hours, need this up fast |
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| 21:59.14 | Gnea | skiflyer: yeah so am i. dnsmasq is your fastest option. |
| 21:59.26 | terrencevak | I'm looking on the packages.debian.org site, but glibc-dev doesn't seem to be there. |
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| 21:59.32 | skiflyer | Gnea: Gotta be something else, it was working before and is still working on the backup server without it |
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| 22:00.00 | mwilson | terrencevak: Yes, making up package names at random is seldom useful. |
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| 22:00.11 | Gnea | skiflyer: are you aware of what dnsmasq does? |
| 22:01.12 | skiflyer | Gnea: not a clue, and I'll gladly learn and set it up |
| 22:01.15 | grendal_prime | anyone ever had exim just sort of loose....like 50 emails |
| 22:01.15 | peterS | terrencevak: what you want is 'libc6-dev' but you may just as well install 'build-essential' which drags in this and more |
| 22:01.15 | mwilson | terrencevak: Since the normal package is named 'libc6', the logical name of the development package would therefore be 'libc6-dev', not what you think it is. |
| 22:01.16 | grendal_prime | you know like...i mean..sort of vaporize them? |
| 22:01.16 | Gnea | skiflyer: i suggest it, unless you're locked into a dhcp3-server/bind environment... |
| 22:01.17 | skiflyer | Gnea: It's the switching the main DNS server that I'm worried about |
| 22:01.18 | peterS | mwilson: and yet the source package name is glibc. go figure. |
| 22:01.18 | terrencevak | mwilson: Ah, OK, that's what I needed. |
| 22:01.18 | Gnea | skiflyer: what's handling main dns? windows or linux? |
| 22:01.35 | goog | welson: depmod -a didn't really do anything, it seems. the modules still aren't available. i installed the thinkpad-modules-2.6.8_5.8-4+custom_i386.deb file, ran depmod -a like you said, and I do, amongst other files, have a /lib/modules/2.6.8/thinkpad/thinkpad.ko ... I can't figure out why it wont load. |
| 22:01.36 | skiflyer | Gnea: pffff rebooting the linux box fixed it |
| 22:01.37 | Gnea | ahhahahaha |
| 22:01.40 | skiflyer | Gnea: Thought that was a windows only solution ;) |
| 22:01.40 | Gnea | alrighty then :) |
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| 22:02.02 | Gnea | skiflyer: you probably missed a daemon somewhere - oh well, it's up and running, who cares, next! :) |
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| 22:02.33 | terrencevak | glibc6-dev |
| 22:02.34 | skiflyer | Gnea: Now I get to breathe |
| 22:02.35 | Gnea | breathing is good |
| 22:02.36 | skiflyer | Gnea: Then I can figure out this udev error... thanks |
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| 22:03.41 | terrencevak | Sorry...I was trying to say that glibc6-dev doesn't come up on a package search. |
| 22:03.42 | Gnea | skiflyer: oh - what kernel are you running? |
| 22:03.46 | peterS | terrencevak: libc6-dev, no 'g' |
| 22:04.01 | Gnea | skiflyer: the new udev requires 2.6.12 or newer |
| 22:04.06 | terrencevak | peters: Oh! OK! |
| 22:04.16 | Miesco | My dynamic IP has a domain, miesco.homelinux.org, I set my MX for miesco.homelinux.org to miesco.homelinux.org, should that make make emails to me@miesco.homelinux.org work? |
| 22:04.47 | skiflyer | Gnea: guess that would be it |
| 22:04.47 | Ky0tIk | does anyone here use icebergradio.com to listen to music?? i can play the streams in firefox, but the boxes that shows the current playing artist / song, doesnt show up.. it doesnt say its missing a plugin or anything, it just doesnt show up.. does anyone know how i can figure out what the hell im listening to? haha |
| 22:04.50 | peterS | Miesco: if your local MTA is set up to accept mail for miesco.h.org and you have a local account 'me', yes |
| 22:04.52 | Gnea | Miesco: if you have your MTA setup properly |
| 22:04.52 | goog | welson: oh, wait. i figured it out. thanks :) |
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| 22:05.01 | Gnea | skiflyer: np |
| 22:05.18 | skiflyer | Gnea: I'm still at 2.6.8... is this going to be something I can do without causing more than a few seconds of outage? |
| 22:05.28 | peterS | Miesco: if you don't configure the MTA to know that m.h.org is itself, it won't accept mail addressed to that domain |
| 22:05.38 | lightbright | nvz: I agree |
| 22:05.49 | Gnea | skiflyer: waitasec - are you running sarge or did you upgrade it? |
| 22:05.57 | lightbright | bucky: Redhate uses Debian packages? |
| 22:06.09 | skiflyer | Gnea: Sarge |
| 22:06.21 | bucky | lightbright, suse does |
| 22:06.26 | Gnea | skiflyer: oh ok, no need to change the kernel then - that's only for etch and sid, sorry |
| 22:06.28 | skiflyer | Gnea: Take that back, I'm running testing |
| 22:06.33 | Gnea | ah |
| 22:06.46 | Gnea | look for linux-image-2.6.12 |
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| 22:07.13 | Miesco | ive a comma-separated list of domains that this machine should consider itself the final destination for |
| 22:07.16 | Miesco | Give* |
| 22:07.21 | bucky | lightbright, i guess that makes sense to ask a suse question in #redhat... i've had this discussion before, ubuntu is another disto.. it's not debian |
| 22:07.21 | Miesco | Is that it? |
| 22:07.28 | peterS | Miesco: yes |
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| 22:07.36 | lightbright | nvz: and I just dont understand! WHY are they using distro's based on Debian? Why not just use Debian itself? I learned this fast when I was new to Linux and used Mepis! It only took me quickly to learn that it was based on Debian, and I thought "WHY NOT use Debian if its baesed on it" :) So now I use debian |
| 22:07.38 | Miesco | I got miesco.homelinux.org there, and localhost and everything |
| 22:07.43 | skiflyer | Gnea: Won't install it, dependency problems |
| 22:08.08 | peterS | Miesco: have someone send you a test message then. a yahoo account or whatever is good enough for this purpose |
| 22:08.15 | azeem | bucky: SuSE uses totally different source RPMs as RedHat though, don't they? |
| 22:08.18 | Gnea | skiflyer: such as? |
| 22:08.22 | lightbright | bucky: ok |
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| 22:08.29 | skiflyer | Gnea: Bunch of gnome crap, I don't even use the gui though! grrr |
| 22:08.39 | goog | lightbright: the general idea is that when you base foo on bar, you'll still have bar, basically, but with the enhancements of foo |
| 22:08.47 | Gnea | skiflyer: what gnome app's installed that's utilizing it? :) |
| 22:08.51 | lightbright | bucky: I dont understand why anyone would use something based on Debian. my logic tells me why not use Debian direct |
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| 22:09.15 | skiflyer | Gnea: And "hal: Depends: udev (>= 0.063) but 0.048-2 is to be installed" |
| 22:09.15 | azeem | lightbright: because compared to Mepis, Ubuntu adds real value on the Desktop, they do a lot of integration work |
| 22:09.18 | lightbright | goog: talk engligh please. I have no idea what base on foo means :) |
| 22:09.20 | bucky | azeem, are you refering to the rumor that ubuntu doen't even bother to find it's own sources/ |
| 22:09.23 | peterS | lightbright: ubuntu *does* add value to the distribution. they do things debian does not. they release on a different schedule, and support their release in a different manner. some people may want some of those things. |
| 22:09.31 | Miesco | peterS: I sent myself a email from hotmail |
| 22:09.36 | azeem | bucky: dunno, haven't heard about that rumour |
| 22:09.40 | lightbright | azeem: why use ubuntu when you can use Debian? What can Ubuntu do that Debian cant? |
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| 22:09.47 | goog | lightbright: interpret "foo" as "something" and "bar" as "something else" and read that again, then |
| 22:09.50 | azeem | lightbright: didn't I just tell you? |
| 22:09.52 | Gnea | skiflyer: try apt-get update, apt-get install udev |
| 22:09.53 | goog | lightbright: still makes sense |
| 22:09.57 | grendal_prime | ubuntu is based on debian, its doing what mandrake does with redhat |
| 22:10.01 | azeem | bucky: I have no idea how RedHat and SuSE package their stuff, that's why I asked you |
| 22:10.05 | bucky | ubuntu has $10M of Shuttleworth's money and his private company owns it |
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| 22:10.08 | lightbright | peterS: but they can use Debian and do same thing, learn and get advanced |
| 22:10.08 | azeem | well, or in general |
| 22:10.16 | Miesco | When I connect to port 25 it says thiss: 220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
| 22:10.17 | Gnea | skiflyer: it's testing, things could have changed within the past 60 minutes |
| 22:10.18 | Miesco | Is that right? |
| 22:10.29 | lightbright | goog: ah ok! in Australia we use the word "blah" for foo and bar :) |
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| 22:10.38 | Gnea | Miesco: if it's not refused it must be right |
| 22:10.51 | peterS | lightbright: you should only say that if you understand *what* differences ubuntu includes. it's more than just changing the name and the gnome theme and starting gnome by default |
| 22:11.03 | bucky | azeem, suse/novell has rewriten rpm so it's really not the same package manager anymore |
| 22:11.05 | grendal_prime | ubuntu looks like it might be good deal for bringing over people that normally would not think twice about a linux distro though |
| 22:11.06 | grendal_prime | wich is good |
| 22:11.07 | lightbright | peterS: ok |
| 22:11.14 | grendal_prime | makes more endusers |
| 22:11.15 | skiflyer | Gnea: Now just the gnome ones are making it so udev won't install... can I safely downgrade to sarge perhaps? There's no need for this to be a testing box... it was testing when Sarge was testing and the sources file never got upgrade properly is the only reason it even went up |
| 22:11.16 | azeem | bucky: I'm talking about the packages, not the package manager |
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| 22:11.23 | lightbright | grendal_prime: ok |
| 22:11.40 | bucky | azeem, i don't know.. haven't touched it for seven years |
| 22:11.48 | grendal_prime | which is good for me cause more linux enduser there are the more need systems can be 100% linux |
| 22:11.49 | azeem | bucky: ok |
| 22:11.50 | beardy | grendal_prime: Then perhaps they should wait until the thought occurs to them.. |
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| 22:11.53 | SimonRaven | grendal_prime: yeh, that's what's happening, more or less |
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| 22:12.10 | Gnea | skiflyer: problem with that is 'downgrading' requires a reinstall |
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| 22:12.21 | grendal_prime | beardy, it cant really be a bad thing |
| 22:12.52 | peterS | lightbright: it's just that ubuntu is a lot more than just rebranded debian. they do their own stuff, in some cases diverging from debian, and some of that stuff isn't at all trivial to duplicate (for example, porting xorg-x11 to ubuntu back when they first did it) |
| 22:13.15 | skiflyer | Gnea: well that isn't going to happen... back to udev then, still won't go because of the gnome, gnome-desktop-environment, gnomemeeting and libpt-plugins-alsa dependencies... so trying apt-get remove gnome, but that won't go either |
| 22:13.17 | beardy | grendal_prime: No, not by principle, but in practice, they come here, and think that ubuntu is debian, and doesn't know what ls does, and so on. But perhaps they'll learn too. |
| 22:13.26 | Gnea | skiflyer: got X running? |
| 22:13.32 | grendal_prime | if some org wants to build walkthroughs and help sheets for the average everyday usr and then all we have to do is set up nis and file servers...and we are able to connect them via pure nix solutions..without werid ass samba configs and tap devices...hell i say more power to them |
| 22:13.35 | skiflyer | yeah probably |
| 22:14.00 | Gnea | skiflyer: install something like fluxbox, and synaptic, and then startx to that |
| 22:14.04 | azeem | beardy: Debian is the universal OS, so it is in principle fine for Debian users to not know about ls as well |
| 22:14.14 | Gnea | skiflyer: something quick and easy to get into X that isn't gnome-dependant |
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| 22:14.19 | skiflyer | Gnea: I don't need x, I can just kill the whole thing, I just log in with ssh |
| 22:14.49 | skiflyer | Gnea: But I don't know how :( |
| 22:15.19 | grendal_prime | ya but beardy anything is easyer than trying to figer out how the hell we are going to have to configure apps to work with "windows workflow foundation" or even figure out what the hell it is supposed to be |
| 22:15.24 | Gnea | skiflyer: the problem is a bit deeper - you need to install udev, but it won't because of gnome dependancies, but if you want to get rid of gnome fast, you need somethign like synaptic which can show you which packages are installed - then you can just point 'n click on them, tell them to remove them and go from there |
| 22:15.32 | beardy | azeem: In principle yes, but not if they need to ask anyone anything. |
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| 22:15.37 | Ky0tIk | does anyone here use icebergradio.com to listen to music?? i can play the streams in firefox, but the boxes that shows the current playing artist / song, doesnt show up.. it doesnt say its missing a plugin or anything, it just doesnt show up.. does anyone know how i can figure out what the hell im listening to? haha |
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| 22:15.41 | mwilson | No one *needs* to install udev. |
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| 22:15.56 | Gnea | mwilson: leave my mom out of this :) |
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| 22:16.08 | Miesco | Can someone test to see if my port forwarding is working: telnet miesco.homelinux.org 25 |
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| 22:16.29 | peterS | Miesco: can't test from here, my ISP blocks outgoing port 25. let me try from another machine though.... |
| 22:16.34 | quittt | do you know a good mp3 player for console |
| 22:16.43 | pureone | mplayer |
| 22:16.44 | Miesco | peterS: Okay |
| 22:16.53 | asg | Miesco: I'm testing. I'll give it 2 minutes to see if it is testing for ident |
| 22:16.59 | dondelelcaro | quittt: cplay w/ mpg321 works fairly well |
| 22:17.05 | peterS | Miesco: so far I'm getting no response, after maybe 20 seconds. this is from germany. |
| 22:17.08 | Miesco | asg: I dont have ident running |
| 22:17.16 | grendal_prime | mplayer rocks. |
| 22:17.18 | quittt | what is the difference between mpg321 and mpg123 ??! |
| 22:17.24 | beardy | quittt: mpg321, mp3blaster, mplayer, run aptitude and look under Sound |
| 22:17.30 | peterS | quittt: mpg123 has better quality decoding, but mpg321 is free software |
| 22:17.31 | asg | Miesco: my firewall blocks requests for it; your MTA might be checking, hence a wait for timeout on my end. |
| 22:17.50 | asg | peterS: I've never been able to tell the diff myself |
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| 22:17.53 | peterS | asg: but you'd at least *connect*. ident checking happens after the TCP handshake |
| 22:17.56 | skiflyer | Gnea: Ok... but I can't install anything, I could use gnome to access synaptic, but I'm guessing that wouldn't help much? |
| 22:18.07 | de_mon | awk '{ print $2}'|sed 's@\\r\\n@@' |
| 22:18.09 | mwilson | mpg321 barfs on odd files that mpg123 handles fine. |
| 22:18.10 | peterS | asg: I'm not sure but I think mpg123 has lower cpu utilisation, at least |
| 22:18.10 | Miesco | I cant get mplayer, apt-get install mplayer, dont work |
| 22:18.13 | asg | peterS: ah true. |
| 22:18.15 | de_mon | how can I do that with just awk |
| 22:18.20 | quittt | I stay with a better quality |
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| 22:18.27 | dondelelcaro | peterS: depends on whether or not the CPU has a FPU or not |
| 22:18.28 | peterS | Miesco: yeah, port 25 timed out for me. trying again |
| 22:18.33 | asg | Miesco: then no, I can't connect. |
| 22:18.37 | Gnea | skiflyer: it'd kinda be like shooting yourself in the foot without any ammo |
| 22:18.38 | Guerin | quittt: you won't notice a difference |
| 22:18.40 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ah, really? does one of them use an integer algorithm? |
| 22:18.46 | dondelelcaro | peterS: libmad does, yes. |
| 22:18.52 | Guerin | madplay is another decoder worth considering |
| 22:18.59 | Miesco | I can connect locally, something wrong with port forwarding? |
| 22:19.00 | Gnea | skiflyer: removing gnome while running gnome.... :) |
| 22:19.02 | skiflyer | Gnea: So where am I then? Every apt-get command I try gives me a dependency error |
| 22:19.04 | beardy | grendal_prime: Why do we have to do that? |
| 22:19.07 | Miesco | Do I need identd running or somethign? |
| 22:19.13 | dondelelcaro | mpg321 basically being a wrapper around libmad to make it equivalent to mpg123. |
| 22:19.17 | asg | Miesco: no, that's a red herring in this case. |
| 22:19.19 | Gnea | skiflyer: even with fluxbox? |
| 22:19.25 | Guerin | ah, that'd be why |
| 22:19.35 | skiflyer | Gnea: Yep |
| 22:19.37 | peterS | Miesco: hrrm. from another box in germany I get 'no route to host' |
| 22:19.41 | Guerin | madplay is the integer player |
| 22:19.50 | peterS | Guerin: but mpg321 also uses libmad |
| 22:19.50 | skiflyer | Gnea: Because apt-get is still trying to finish the old installs |
| 22:19.55 | quittt | I want something that can hold playlist |
| 22:19.58 | Gnea | skiflyer: apt-get -f install |
| 22:20.11 | skiflyer | Gnea: Yeah, that's what it's suggesting, but it doesn't work |
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| 22:20.18 | Miesco | Maybe postfix is only accepting some connections? |
| 22:20.22 | Gnea | skiflyer: is it hung on one certain package? |
| 22:20.28 | skiflyer | Gnea: udev |
| 22:20.37 | mwilson | feh... dbus should only start if applications are actually using it. |
| 22:20.39 | skiflyer | udev_0.070-2_i386.deb |
| 22:20.41 | grendal_prime | beardy, do what try and figure out what the hell ms is going to do next? |
| 22:20.42 | Guerin | peterS: right, i'd be more correct to say libmad is. |
| 22:21.06 | Gnea | skiflyer: dpkg -r --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/udev-yada.deb |
| 22:21.09 | skiflyer | Gnea: Gotta go run and help a user, I'll be right back |
| 22:21.13 | beardy | grendal_prime: You lost me now, what do you mean? |
| 22:21.18 | grendal_prime | because we have to migrate info from those servers when people find out they cant afford the new "role" they are going to have to pay for |
| 22:21.31 | peterS | Miesco: well, as I said, one machine in germany just times out, another says 'no route to host'. I'm not sure whether the latter is your fault or not |
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| 22:21.52 | Miesco | peterS: Can you ping miesco.homelinux.org? |
| 22:22.10 | Miesco | peterS: and telnet to port 22? |
| 22:22.26 | peterS | Miesco: pinging from all three accounts, no packets coming back |
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| 22:22.31 | grendal_prime | grab the new infoworld...it talks at great lenght about ms's new hard push and how they are basically scared. The who thing is really hard to follow as they keep refering to there new services as if they are something we should know about already |
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| 22:22.44 | peterS | Miesco: ...but ssh connects immediately |
| 22:23.09 | SerajewelKS | i cannot get an rtc driver to load at all. /dev/rtc is not linked to a device. how do i locate a suitable module? |
| 22:23.21 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 22:23.33 | peterS | Miesco: so yeah, I can talk to your box, but port 25 either times out or sends back 'no route' |
| 22:23.34 | Beik | SerajewelKS: modprobe rtc ? |
| 22:23.38 | SerajewelKS | /dev/rtc IS linked to a device =/ but my clock drifts badly |
| 22:23.49 | beardy | grendal_prime: What has this got to do with ubuntu attracting users, or the cluelessness of some of them (that hopefully can be cured) of those? |
| 22:23.56 | hfly | how can I tell what gnome version I have installed ? |
| 22:23.57 | grendal_prime | all of it is confusing to me and i did ms dev for years via visual basic and activeX creation. I cant figure out what the hell there talking about anymore |
| 22:24.00 | peterS | Miesco: I hope your box uses RSA fingerprint c6:f6:91:a0:36:41:d5:63:22:13:0c:db:bf:2e:1e:bf |
| 22:24.12 | `o_^|Away | can someone help me |
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| 22:24.25 | Miesco | peterS: I dont know |
| 22:24.26 | SerajewelKS | !nickometer `o_^|Away |
| 22:24.27 | dpkg | '`o_^|Away' is 99.750% lame, serajewelks |
| 22:24.29 | Gnea | !someone |
| 22:24.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:24.34 | peterS | `o_^|Away: I try to help people with fewer punctuation characters |
| 22:24.38 | Gnea | !tell `o_^|Away about ask |
| 22:24.45 | Miesco | There is no debian package for mplayer? |
| 22:24.47 | beardy | grendal_prime: We seem to be talking beside eachother.. |
| 22:24.50 | Gnea | !mplayer |
| 22:24.51 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 22:24.54 | SerajewelKS | !tell Miesco about marillat |
| 22:24.54 | beardy | Miesco: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:25.13 | grendal_prime | basically i would rather deal with the clueless ubuntu users than the established MS technitions who spent a shitload of money getting something up and running that they cant afford to manage anymore |
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| 22:25.30 | SerajewelKS | anyway... what could be the cause of wild system clock drift? |
| 22:25.31 | Soeki | someone is attacking me i think |
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| 22:25.34 | peterS | Miesco: well, 'ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key' will tell |
| 22:25.35 | Miesco | DO I get xine instead of mplayer or whatever? |
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| 22:25.44 | Soeki | this is what it shows |
| 22:25.45 | Soeki | Time, Event, Intruder, Count |
| 22:25.45 | Soeki | 10/10/2005 5:23:37 PM, TCP_Probe_Other, 201-15-136-18.paemt705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br, 40333 |
| 22:25.49 | peterS | Miesco: totem-xine is pretty good |
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| 22:26.02 | beardy | grendal_prime: They will go to <insert commercial crapdist here> instead anyway. |
| 22:26.04 | Miesco | 1024 c6:f6:91:a0:36:41:d5:63:22:13:0c:db:bf:2e:1e:bf /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub |
| 22:26.07 | Soeki | i just want to resolve that hostname :( |
| 22:26.13 | nimak | hello |
| 22:26.23 | grendal_prime | The more distros...that spawn from linux ubuntu, mandrake...idiot_proof_freakshowdistro...whatever the better make it easy..the backbone is much simpler |
| 22:26.31 | peterS | Miesco: ...meaning, port 22 forwarded inside just fine, since that's the fingerprint I got when I ssh'd to m.h.org |
| 22:26.46 | nimak | im having some unusual problems with sound |
| 22:26.54 | nimak | i installed the drivers |
| 22:26.56 | SerajewelKS | !tell nimak about ask |
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| 22:27.12 | vicCode | spanish |
| 22:27.14 | peterS | Miesco: make sure your port 25 forwarding is set up exactly the same way as your port 22 |
| 22:27.17 | SerajewelKS | err don't think that was the right factoid |
| 22:27.18 | nimak | and alsaconf wont detect my sound card |
| 22:27.18 | Gnea | english |
| 22:27.30 | Gnea | !tell vicCode about es |
| 22:27.32 | SerajewelKS | peterS, maybe his ISP is blocking 25? |
| 22:27.40 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I guess that's possible |
| 22:27.42 | thingfish | que onda, guero? |
| 22:28.06 | harfooz | hi all. I've gotten tired of looking at the hex code on web pages with foreign languages on them (like that found at the bottom of the debian.org page), and want to install mozilla-firefox-locale-* packages, but there is a dependency with one of the many that are there. |
| 22:28.16 | peterS | Miesco: does your ISP allow you to run services like a mail server? some might block port 25 in the interests of spam reduction and/or business internet service upselling |
| 22:28.33 | harfooz | Is there a regexp that I could get some help with to allow me to apt-get install all but one of the mozilla-firefox-locale files? |
| 22:28.40 | nimak | loading the driver, i get "No soundcards cound..." |
| 22:28.47 | peterS | Miesco: that's one reason I use DSL rather than cable - the cable company had some stupid restrictions like that in their policy |
| 22:28.59 | harfooz | mozilla-firefox-locale-tr-tr is the one that has a conflice |
| 22:29.01 | peterS | nimak: what sound chip? |
| 22:29.03 | Gnea | nimak: what soundcard is it? |
| 22:29.21 | SerajewelKS | so anyway yeah... drifting clock. yell my way if you want to help. |
| 22:29.30 | peterS | nimak: if you don't know, tell us the output of: lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 22:29.38 | nimak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:29.43 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ntpdate? |
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| 22:29.51 | thingfish | drifting clock? I would replace the cmos battery, if that were my box. |
| 22:29.54 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yeah running that every 5 minutes would be swell |
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| 22:29.57 | beardy | grendal_prime: Well, to each his own. And ease of use is in the eye (fingers, head, and so on) of the beholder. Anyone can do what they want, I just think they should support it themselves if they do. |
| 22:30.02 | Gnea | nimak: if you lspci -v, what is the subsystem? |
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| 22:30.06 | nimak | peters: 10de:008a |
| 22:30.12 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: that's insane :) |
| 22:30.18 | SerajewelKS | thingfish, the CMOS clock is used to set the system clock, and that's it. system clock does not check the CMOS clock. |
| 22:30.26 | peterS | nimak: right, I just got that from your previous line (: looking it up... |
| 22:30.38 | thingfish | ok, sweets. |
| 22:30.40 | nimak | Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.: Unknown device 0080 |
| 22:30.42 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, which is my point. everytime i reboot it seems to get set to a random drift factor. |
| 22:30.43 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Unless you tell it to. |
| 22:30.56 | SerajewelKS | beardy, of course. but the system clock does not depend on the cmos clock to run. |
| 22:30.58 | nimak | thanks, peters |
| 22:30.59 | DeCaoS | what package has libstdc++.so.2.8 ? I want run mcafee i have this error "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.2.8: " |
| 22:30.59 | peterS | nimak: and you're using the 'snd-intel8x0' driver? |
| 22:31.03 | nimak | yeah |
| 22:31.06 | peterS | nimak: that's the one that claims to support that chip |
| 22:31.18 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: that's simple enough, just give root a crontab job to restart /etc/init.d/ntpdate every 5 minutes then |
| 22:31.22 | peterS | nimak: what kernel version be this? 'uname -r' |
| 22:31.36 | nimak | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:31.43 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, that won't fix my video/audio sync problems though.. those depend on the proper settings for the rtc, iirc |
| 22:31.46 | nimak | should i upgrade to the cool new one? |
| 22:31.50 | primoturbo | Is there anyway to get up to date software for all the software on synaptic |
| 22:31.54 | skiflyer | Gnea: Tried the dpkg force suggestion and go tth eresponse that I must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in |
| 22:31.57 | SerajewelKS | plus running ntpdate every 5 seconds isn't clean for a server, is it? |
| 22:32.03 | beardy | SerajewelKS: No, it doesn't. But the system clocks correctness depends on the correctness of the RTC, and the configuration of how to treat the values from the RTC, if it's set in UTC or local time. |
| 22:32.05 | peterS | SerajewelKS: every 5 seconds? are you mad? |
| 22:32.17 | SerajewelKS | peterS, minutes* |
| 22:32.21 | grendal_prime | i build enduser machines with debian all the time...i lock them down. i will probably look into ubuntu for users who will need more power, web developers and the sort. these people can get annoying that is for sure...however there is nothing as anoying as the one asshole that refuses to get ride of his windows box because he HAS TO HAVE DREAMWEAVER!!! |
| 22:32.25 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hrm, i seem to recall a certain /proc file to echo "1024" to.. just don't recall which one.. |
| 22:32.29 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Switch the battery? |
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| 22:32.35 | peterS | SerajewelKS: every 4 hours should be plenty often enough unless your clock is complete crap |
| 22:32.36 | SerajewelKS | peterS, anyway that's my point.. ntpdate is a cover-up for the real problem |
| 22:32.45 | sametc | hello debian sarge is stable file manager ? |
| 22:32.49 | sametc | dfm ? |
| 22:32.50 | Beik | SerajewelKS: have you looked for abnormal messages from dmsg? |
| 22:32.53 | beardy | grendal_prime: More power? How do you think that? |
| 22:32.53 | SerajewelKS | beardy, until someone explains to me WHY the battery would affect the SYSTEM clock, that is not the problem |
| 22:32.56 | sametc | is rox-filter |
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| 22:33.09 | grendal_prime | sorry ment...more flexibility.. |
| 22:33.12 | sametc | rox-filter not is sarge |
| 22:33.16 | SerajewelKS | Beik, yes every so often this pops out: |
| 22:33.17 | SerajewelKS | apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.16ac) |
| 22:33.17 | SerajewelKS | apm: disabled on user request. |
| 22:33.45 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Your system is broken then. |
| 22:33.47 | Beik | SerajewelKS: sorry. never saw this. |
| 22:33.47 | Miesco | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main, That doesn't work |
| 22:33.54 | grendal_prime | they think its power, we know it as safe computing enviroment |
| 22:33.56 | terrencevak | OK, I'm back again. I tried reinstalling dpkg and glibc, but am still getting the error I've pasted at http://channels.debian.net/paste/882 . What am I still missing? |
| 22:33.58 | SerajewelKS | beardy, thanks. that fixes my problem. |
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| 22:34.21 | Revenger | SerajewelKS: is this a 64 bit system by chance ? |
| 22:34.23 | beardy | !rtc |
| 22:34.24 | dpkg | it has been said that rtc is Real Time Clock. This is necessary for SMP machines but quite useless for UP purposes (unless you read on how to use it). Disable RTC in the kernel if you get "clock skew detected" while building the kernel or anything which uses 'make'. |
| 22:34.25 | SerajewelKS | Revenger, no |
| 22:34.28 | thingfish | this channel is better than TV, I'll swear. |
| 22:34.31 | peterS | nimak: good news and bad news. good news is I know why snd-intel8x0 doesn't work, bad news, your chip isn't supported in 2.6.8 |
| 22:34.50 | Ky0tIk | can someone look at the source information on a page that contains java script, and see what fonts need to be installed for it to display the java correctly?? the site is www.icebergradio.com and if you create an account you can listen to the stations, if you have mplayer set up properly.. the nowplaying section in the java just doesnt display.. can someone help me to figure out what I need to do? |
| 22:34.59 | SerajewelKS | beardy, how the heck does that help me... |
| 22:35.05 | beardy | Ky0tIk: No. |
| 22:35.09 | nimak | damn |
| 22:35.11 | peterS | nimak: your chip was, in fact, added in kernel 2.6.9 |
| 22:35.24 | nimak | theres a 2.6.9? |
| 22:35.40 | nimak | thats kinda cool, if i can upgrade |
| 22:35.41 | peterS | nimak: not in debian anymore, but debian unstable does have a linux-image-2.6.12-* series of packages |
| 22:35.47 | beardy | SerajewelKS: So, your system clock does exactly what? Changes every 5 minutes? Please repeat your exact problem. |
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| 22:35.52 | nimak | great |
| 22:36.01 | peterS | nimak: sarge doesn't, though, so you'll have to pull in packages from testing or unstable |
| 22:36.02 | nimak | thanks, peterS |
| 22:36.08 | SerajewelKS | beardy, it drifts ahead madly if tick is 10000 and frequency is 0 |
| 22:36.08 | nimak | yeah |
| 22:36.19 | Ky0tIk | beardy: why not? |
| 22:36.23 | SerajewelKS | beardy, on boot it gets loaded with some strange values that drift less, but still madly ahead |
| 22:36.48 | beardy | Ky0tIk: Sorry, I meant yes. Someone can. |
| 22:37.00 | peterS | nimak: note name change from kernel-image-2.6.* to linux-image-2.6.*, and you'll be fine. you probably want linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 |
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| 22:37.10 | nimak | yeah, i noticed that |
| 22:37.23 | DrPete_ | Anyone use mailman with postfix? it work well? |
| 22:37.25 | nimak | did sarge get released? |
| 22:37.49 | peterS | nimak: in early June of this year |
| 22:37.50 | terrencevak | I thought sarge has been out for quite a while. |
| 22:37.59 | SerajewelKS | beardy, at one point it was so bad that all media played on my computer (mp3s, video, etc) were sped up significantly |
| 22:38.00 | DeCaoS | what packages has libstdc++.so.2.8??? in sarge |
| 22:38.01 | beardy | SerajewelKS: What tick, and what frequency are these, and where are they configured, I've never touched them. |
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| 22:38.08 | SerajewelKS | beardy, adjtimex |
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| 22:38.17 | peterS | DeCaoS: I don't *think* sarge has that package anymore, that's awfully old |
| 22:38.30 | Guerin | !redhat crap |
| 22:38.31 | dpkg | hmm... redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
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| 22:38.47 | Guerin | that MIGHT be what you're after |
| 22:38.49 | peterS | DeCaoS: what software do you have that needs it? we're talking *several* years old here |
| 22:38.58 | skiflyer | Gnea: looks like dpkg -r was my savior though... looks like I finally may be getting through an apt-get upgrade |
| 22:39.18 | SerajewelKS | beardy, i never had any drift until i upgraded from kernel 2.6.8 to 2.6.11 |
| 22:39.19 | DeCaoS | peterS: i want run mcafee |
| 22:39.29 | Guerin | DeCaoS: hahaha |
| 22:39.32 | Guerin | why? |
| 22:39.41 | peterS | DeCaoS: and they don't have any newer binaries than that? for software whose whole point is frequent updates of its data, this kind of surprises me (: |
| 22:39.48 | beardy | SerajewelKS: A stock kernel? Or why are you compiling? |
| 22:39.55 | SerajewelKS | beardy, stock |
| 22:39.56 | Gnea | skiflyer: rock on |
| 22:40.07 | Servo888 | What are the general modules you need for 1394 harddisk support? I've got 1394 support compiled in the kernel, ohci1394 module loaded, and sbp2 loaded - still nothing is detected =\ |
| 22:40.09 | skiflyer | Gnea: Still going, but my fingers are crossed... at least it's chugging |
| 22:40.19 | DeCaoS | Guerin: because this factory used to mcafee |
| 22:40.23 | peterS | Servo888: that's what you need. oh yeah, also sd_mod |
| 22:40.27 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Hmm, ok. Is the rtc module loaded? It should be by default I guess. |
| 22:40.28 | peterS | Servo888: (aka 'scsi hard disk support') |
| 22:40.30 | Guerin | DeCaoS: you poor bastard. |
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| 22:40.37 | Karnaugh | hi |
| 22:40.41 | Servo888 | petemc, ok I've got that as well |
| 22:40.44 | SerajewelKS | beardy, /dev/rtc is linked if that's what you mean |
| 22:40.47 | peterS | Servo888: does your drive show up in /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 22:40.58 | Karnaugh | when are they going to support cdwriters in Sid? |
| 22:41.07 | peterS | oh, hi there, petemc (: |
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| 22:41.16 | daxxar | Oh, hold me, I'm running Ubuntu. :o |
| 22:41.17 | petemc | hey peterS :) |
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| 22:41.21 | Guerin | Karnaugh: some time in about 2000 |
| 22:41.25 | beardy | SerajewelKS: RTC support can be configured in the kernel, if it's not, I'd imagine it be difficult for the kernel to use the RTC. |
| 22:41.28 | peterS | daxxar: I hate it when that happens (: |
| 22:41.28 | Servo888 | petemc, no scsi directory avaiable =\ |
| 22:41.34 | daxxar | peterS (: |
| 22:41.45 | SerajewelKS | beardy, ok what does that mean for me |
| 22:41.52 | daxxar | It is kinda warm and fuzzy, though. |
| 22:41.54 | peterS | Servo888: if sd_mod is loaded, /proc/scsi/scsi should certainly exist |
| 22:41.55 | Beik | !tell Karnaugh about cdrecord |
| 22:42.01 | Karnaugh | its really irritating not being able to burn CD's in debian, i mean its quite a nice feature |
| 22:42.16 | Servo888 | peterS, it's built into the kernel. I'll build it as a module and retry |
| 22:42.18 | Guerin | Karnaugh: yeah. It must suck to be that incompetent. |
| 22:42.22 | beardy | SerajewelKS: It means that, if it's compiled as a module, which I donät remember if it can be, you must have it loaded. |
| 22:42.23 | Karnaugh | !tell Beik about 2.6 incompatiblies with cdrecord |
| 22:42.40 | Coweater | Karnaugh: it's sid, what do you expect? |
| 22:42.43 | peterS | Karnaugh: there are like half a dozen gui CD writer apps in debian. 'k3b' is widely considered the friendliest. try it. |
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| 22:42.56 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Is it impossible for you to run ntp instead of adjtimex? |
| 22:43.01 | thingfish | gnomebaker is a newish one, and nice. |
| 22:43.06 | SerajewelKS | beardy, yes i have it loaded. /dev/rtc is linked like i told you. |
| 22:43.09 | Karnaugh | peterS: I'm about to purge it along with the Sid cdrecord libs, if thats what you mean |
| 22:43.11 | SerajewelKS | beardy, ntp-simple doesn't do crap for me |
| 22:43.13 | Stereo | aptitude wants to install tomcat4 when I run aptitude dist-upgrade, is there any way of getting it to tell me what package wants it? |
| 22:43.52 | peterS | Karnaugh: yes, that's what I mean. if you are just going to whine about problems you're having, implying that the whole distribution is broken, without actually describing the problems you're having, you must forgive us for not taking your situation very seriously |
| 22:43.55 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Why? |
| 22:44.10 | terrencevak | Is there a way to tell irc not to report every join/leave? |
| 22:44.19 | daxxar | !aww |
| 22:44.20 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 22:44.21 | daxxar | terrencevak, what client? |
| 22:44.23 | SerajewelKS | beardy, i dunno. ran it for a week and it never touched the time or the adjtimex variables |
| 22:44.26 | Karnaugh | peterS: no I'm just trolling to pass the time while i roll back cd burning stuff to sarge |
| 22:44.28 | peterS | Karnaugh: if you were hoping to troll us into a little flame war about whether or not sid sucks because it can't burn CDs, I doubt it'll work very well |
| 22:44.49 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Why are you running adjtimex? |
| 22:44.50 | terrencevak | daxxar: erc, on emacs. |
| 22:44.50 | Karnaugh | peterS: I've just never ever hit a cycle where any kind of cdrecording utilities have worked in Sid |
| 22:44.50 | peterS | Karnaugh: we can try to help you solve your problem, but not if all we get is "too bad sid sucks, it can't burn CDs" |
| 22:44.53 | Guerin | Karnaugh: funny, I have no problems burning CDs in sid. |
| 22:44.57 | daxxar | terrencevak, eep, no idea. :o |
| 22:45.04 | SerajewelKS | beardy, i'm not "running" it, it's part of the kernel |
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| 22:45.08 | Miesco | How do I check which hosts postfix allows to connect? |
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| 22:45.15 | beardy | !info adjtimex sarge |
| 22:45.26 | dpkg | adjtimex: (Utility to display or set the kernel time variables), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.20-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 22:45.27 | skiflyer | Should I be worried that during an apt-get upgrade I'm seeing lots of perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your local settings ... are supported and installed? |
| 22:45.29 | peterS | Miesco: have you got anything in /etc/hosts.allow or /etc/hosts.deny? probably not, and that's probably not your problem anyway |
| 22:45.31 | SerajewelKS | beardy, or rather the adjtimex program does stuff do the kernel: adjtimex - display or set the kernel time variables |
| 22:45.42 | SerajewelKS | s/do/to/ |
| 22:45.45 | vineet | skiflyer: what does `locale` say? |
| 22:45.49 | Karnaugh | Guerin: well, master of all things Sid. Did you write your own Cdrecord, since the author has since added a message to it saying "rather use Solaris" |
| 22:45.56 | peterS | Miesco: in fact, I'm leaning toward the theory that your problem is entirely external - your ISP is blocking port 25 so you have to pay for business class internet service if you want what you want |
| 22:45.59 | vineet | skiflyer: make sure these locales are generated with sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:46.16 | peterS | Karnaugh: the author wrote that a long time ago and it hasn't stopped me from using cdrecord on linux all these years |
| 22:46.17 | nimak | is mirrors.kernel.org being slow for everyone? |
| 22:46.20 | skiflyer | It's scrolling by kinda quick, but basically Lang = "en_US" |
| 22:46.29 | peterS | nimak: apparently there are problems with it, yeah |
| 22:46.33 | skiflyer | vineet: I'm not sure what the sudo dpkg-reocnfigure locals means |
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| 22:46.52 | beardy | SerajewelKS: And what happens if you do not run it? If itäs not working, why use it? |
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| 22:46.56 | Guerin | Karnaugh: you're a twat, and an incompetent one at that. It's common knowledge that cdrecord is incompatible and mangulated, but it IS usable. |
| 22:46.57 | vineet | skiflyer: run dpkg-reconfigure locales as root, and you'll get a big list of checkboxes for each locale the system knows about |
| 22:47.03 | vineet | skiflyer: make sure the one you're using is checked on |
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| 22:47.14 | SerajewelKS | beardy, if i "don't run it" -- run what? adjtimex, or the kernel? |
| 22:47.17 | vineet | skiflyer: just type 'locale' at a prompt to see what you're using now |
| 22:47.24 | SerajewelKS | beardy, adjtimex only lets me poke at kernel variables |
| 22:47.32 | beardy | SerajewelKS: I mean, it doesn't seem to do what you want, to keep a correct time. |
| 22:47.35 | skiflyer | vineet: I'm using the same one it's griping about |
| 22:47.37 | peterS | Karnaugh: joerg schilling has some ... shall we say, differences of opinion, with the linux scsi layer maintainers. despite that, and despite his love of airing his grievances in cdrecord's text output, the software *does* work. |
| 22:47.38 | skiflyer | en_US |
| 22:47.48 | Guerin | Karnaugh: and regardless of anything else, cdrecord's incompatibilities are not a Sid or debian-specific issue. |
| 22:47.49 | vineet | skiflyer: right, so that one may not be generated |
| 22:47.54 | Karnaugh | peterS: I just wonder why it still gets punted |
| 22:48.06 | vineet | skiflyer: try dpkg-reconfigure locales (as root) |
| 22:48.10 | skiflyer | vineet: I'm assuming I have to wait til this upgrade is done... will Ihave problems and need to reupgrade? |
| 22:48.11 | peterS | Karnaugh: "punted"? meaning what? what kernel are you using, and what version of cdrecord, which doesn't work? |
| 22:48.22 | vineet | skiflyer: you probably do have to wait, and it probably won't cause any problems |
| 22:48.28 | skiflyer | vineet: thanks |
| 22:48.36 | SerajewelKS | beardy, WHAT doesn't do what i want |
| 22:48.50 | beardy | SerajewelKS: adjtimex |
| 22:49.03 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Or your rtc is broken/needs a new battery. |
| 22:49.24 | SerajewelKS | beardy, adjtimex modifies kernel variables that are ALREADY THERE. not using adjtimex only means that i'm not changing the variables. as i said, it drifts with the default values. |
| 22:49.28 | peterS | Karnaugh: I'm willing to concede that your version and your kernel and your hardware might have interoperability bugs. I'm probably not running the same of everything. but by and large, the software does work, despite its author's complaints in the program output. |
| 22:50.17 | peterS | go mine some salt, Guerin |
| 22:50.42 | SerajewelKS | beardy, mobo is less than a year old.. battery went out that fast? |
| 22:50.50 | Karnaugh | it would just seem to me, that at some stage people need to stop being naive. Accept the fact that cdrecord is by inlarge a broke piece of shit |
| 22:50.56 | beardy | SerajewelKS: How should I know? |
| 22:51.08 | SerajewelKS | Karnaugh, except that by and large it works |
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| 22:51.13 | beardy | SerajewelKS: The battery could be 10 years old. |
| 22:51.23 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Or more. |
| 22:51.28 | Beik | Karnaugh: stop trolling. |
| 22:51.29 | Karnaugh | SerajewelKS: so does Bind 8, and thats why so many DNS servers get exploited |
| 22:51.33 | SerajewelKS | beardy, true.. on reboot the bios doesn't complain about anything and all my settings are there |
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| 22:51.54 | TwistedEmotions | help |
| 22:51.56 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh |
| 22:51.58 | TwistedEmotions | okk |
| 22:52.00 | SerajewelKS | Karnaugh, yeah... what's the analogy between the two? can you exploit cdrecord? |
| 22:52.04 | TCW | re |
| 22:52.06 | TwistedEmotions | Im connected ;) |
| 22:52.28 | peterS | Karnaugh: it may be a POS, and I certainly won't defend the sanity of its author Joerg Schilling, but it has worked for thousands of people for several years across several kernel scsi/atapi interface designs. not to mention most other unixlike and win32 OSes. that is something. |
| 22:52.54 | Karnaugh | SerajewelKS: the analogy is for both of them, the authors (and Torveldes in the case of cdrecord) have pretty much stated that they suck |
| 22:53.05 | Karnaugh | SerajewelKS: that to me would be a good enough reason to just not use them |
| 22:53.10 | SerajewelKS | Karnaugh, and yet... it works for most people? |
| 22:53.13 | Karnaugh | but of course, the options are limited |
| 22:53.18 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 22:53.19 | dpkg | Sorry, twistedemotions, I didn't get your test. |
| 22:53.20 | SerajewelKS | Karnaugh, if you're so smart, write your own |
| 22:53.26 | Karnaugh | SerajewelKS: you need to see the blocker of the word "works" |
| 22:53.28 | peterS | Karnaugh: now, if you'd like to get to work on a replacement implementation that lacks all the design and license-related problems cdrecord has, I'm sure a lot of people (including me) would be quite grateful |
| 22:53.44 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Ok, hmm, yeah the bios should have complained about the battery, unless you have a separate battery for the rtc.. I'm sorry, I don't think I can give you a better/good answer.. |
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| 22:53.59 | TCW | I try to install an older nvidia driver with etch (gcc4). I need to take exactly this driver (6629), because newer ones don't support my card anymore. This is the installer log http://pastebin.com/389587 <- any hint? |
| 22:54.05 | SerajewelKS | beardy, well... =/ |
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| 22:54.16 | SerajewelKS | beardy, did something change between 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 that could cause this? |
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| 22:54.34 | SerajewelKS | beardy, if it helps any, winxp has no trouble keeping perfect time |
| 22:54.42 | peterS | Karnaugh: but it's a pretty specialised knowledge domain, and a means of handling the *long* list of quirks of CD writer hardware and OS interfaces is not something that can be built up overnight. joerg schilling has a huge head start on the rest of us |
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| 22:54.45 | skiflyer | Woo hoo, 3 hours later and I got thorugh an apt-get upgrade! I normally love debian, but today I'd love to kick it squarely in the teeth! |
| 22:54.48 | beardy | SerajewelKS: I don't know. But if you haven't done anything else, perhaps. |
| 22:54.56 | skiflyer | Thanks to everyone who helped me |
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| 22:55.06 | skiflyer | especially Gneac, you kept me from pulling out my hair |
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| 22:55.16 | Karnaugh | peterS: crummy politics as always |
| 22:55.26 | SerajewelKS | beardy, i think i might boot kubuntu live and see if that drifts... if not reinstall sarge. i started out with woody and upgraded to testing so things might not have upgraded perfectly |
| 22:55.27 | Karnaugh | anyway i fixed the permission problem now and cdrecord "works" |
| 22:55.28 | kreg | anyone know of polls, or something, that shows what distros are commonly being used by isp's? |
| 22:55.39 | Karnaugh | but then again Windows 98 also "worked" |
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| 22:55.46 | beardy | SerajewelKS: But you get the correct system time when booting Debian? |
| 22:55.47 | Karnaugh | but I'd hate to touch it wiht a pole |
| 22:55.50 | Karnaugh | *with |
| 22:55.56 | thingfish | TCW: what card do you have? Are you sure 7174 doesn't support it? |
| 22:55.58 | SerajewelKS | Karnaugh, so what you're saying is that it was your fault and not cdrecord's? oh wow, imagine that. |
| 22:56.02 | peterS | Karnaugh: yes, if you can demonstrate that cdrecord has any of the problems that plagues win98, that'll be a nice comparison |
| 22:56.16 | Karnaugh | SerajewelKS: no, I said cdrecord is a pile of junk, which it is |
| 22:56.24 | Xenguy | skiflyer: well go ahead then :-) |
| 22:56.26 | SerajewelKS | Karnaugh, it's a pile of junk that works... |
| 22:56.38 | skiflyer | Karnaugh: Don't remind me, when I finish with this debian server I have to go figure out why the Win98 box upstairs still won't reconnect to it when everyone else will |
| 22:56.45 | SerajewelKS | personally i'd like to be able to do 'cat image.iso > /dev/cdrom' =) |
| 22:56.46 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Are you running testing, or sarge now? |
| 22:56.50 | SerajewelKS | beardy, testing |
| 22:56.53 | Karnaugh | skiflyer: Samba? |
| 22:57.05 | SerajewelKS | beardy, is 2.6.11 in sarge? |
| 22:57.06 | skiflyer | Karnaugh: Yeah, the box is actually connecting, just won't auto-reconnect on reboot |
| 22:57.15 | terrencevak | If I'm getting "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08742d58 ***", what should I do about it? |
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| 22:57.21 | skiflyer | Karnaugh: The samba stuff is fine, it's the Win98 junk that won't go away |
| 22:57.22 | peterS | Karnaugh: it's a poor workman who blames his tools. if cdrecord didn't have permission to do something it needs to do, that's not something the software can or should just try to work around |
| 22:57.28 | Karnaugh | skiflyer: I've found most problems with Samba exist on WinXP actualy |
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| 22:57.36 | TCW | thingfish, I am sure... it is an _old_ gf2, the 7xxx release of the nvidia just support cards since gf4 or at least newer gf2 (whatever, I don't remamber exactly) |
| 22:57.47 | TCW | remember |
| 22:58.20 | Karnaugh | peterS: aptitude didnt ask me to set cdrecord permissions the first time, thats why i purged it and reinstalled |
| 22:58.29 | beardy | SerajewelKS: kernel-latest-2.6-i386 depends on kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386, so no. |
| 22:58.29 | thingfish | TCW: you could make your own if you had nvidia-kernel-source for your 6629. |
| 22:58.31 | Karnaugh | there was a screw up on my deb mirror |
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| 22:58.42 | SerajewelKS | beardy, sucks, 'cause 2.6.8 have the worst USB support ever |
| 22:58.48 | SerajewelKS | s/have/has/ |
| 22:58.59 | pinko | hello. is anyone using avifile in debian unstable? |
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| 22:59.06 | TCW | thingfish, hm? |
| 22:59.10 | vineet | !anyone |
| 22:59.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:59.13 | peterS | SerajewelKS: clearly you don't remember kernel 2.2 (: |
| 22:59.16 | Karnaugh | peterS: Kernel 2.6.12-1-k7 and cdrecord 2.01+01a03-2 for the record |
| 22:59.26 | SerajewelKS | peterS, actually i don't =) |
| 22:59.38 | EmleyMoor | SerajewelKS: How about rolling your own later one? |
| 22:59.40 | SerajewelKS | i came on the scene around redhat 7.2, with a 2.4 kernel |
| 22:59.46 | pinko | if anyone uses it, that's already a pretty good chunk of info. |
| 22:59.52 | SerajewelKS | EmleyMoor, because i don't to mess with that |
| 22:59.55 | peterS | Karnaugh: ok same kernel but I haven't upgraded cdrecord in awhile. I'll have to do that, to see if I get permission problems too. what sort of permission problems - just lack of setuid root on /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap? |
| 22:59.59 | pinko | I suspect it to be entirely broken. |
| 23:00.01 | beardy | EmleyMoor: You can guide him through it then. |
| 23:00.04 | Beik | pinko, dpkg is a bot. |
| 23:00.10 | Karnaugh | peterS: yeah |
| 23:00.22 | SerajewelKS | pinko, unstable is entirely broken. why are you using it? |
| 23:00.29 | TCW | thingfish, I think it does not matter if I build the module or let the installer do it... the problem is (I think) gcc4 / etch... |
| 23:00.31 | EmleyMoor | SerajewelKS: You can make one that's the equivalent of the supplied 2.6.8 very easily |
| 23:00.32 | Gnea | hey does anyone have or know of a script to convert spaces to underscores in files and directories? |
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| 23:00.55 | Piru | okay, I have problem with 'screen 4.0.2-4.1'. launching it, or creating new screens gives: "Could not write /var/run/utmp: No such process" This appears to be bug #291628 ... any clues what this might be? |
| 23:00.57 | Karnaugh | *hide* |
| 23:00.58 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, rename 's/ /_/g' |
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| 23:01.02 | pinko | more bots than usual this morning. |
| 23:01.05 | beardy | Gnea: sed, awk, perl, and so on. |
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| 23:01.15 | Gnea | heh. |
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| 23:01.31 | SerajewelKS | pinko, i'm not a bot... |
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| 23:01.52 | Gnea | beardy: yeah, i've already got a for i in `find . -type d -print | sed -e 's/ /_/g'`; do j=`echo $i | sed -e 's/_/ /g'`; mv "$j" $i; done, but it's flawed |
| 23:01.56 | SerajewelKS | pinko, anyway, you have to admit that it looks pretty comical to see you running in here "i think avifile on unstable might be broken" |
| 23:02.07 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i'll try your suggestion.. |
| 23:02.08 | Piru | and no, my / is not on nfs ;) |
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| 23:02.23 | Beik | Gnea, rename in combination with find |
| 23:02.39 | Gnea | Beik: yeah that's what i'm considering... |
| 23:02.45 | Gnea | gotta set the field up to test it with |
| 23:02.47 | EmleyMoor | "* on unstable might be broken" - hence it being unstable |
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| 23:02.50 | elfredo | Gnea use a for loop with this sed 's/\ /_/g' |
| 23:02.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, what's wrong with straight-up rename |
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| 23:02.55 | peterS | Karnaugh: so, I was not prompted about permissions, but I do have mode 4754 root:cdrom on /usr/bin/cdrecord* |
| 23:02.56 | octoberdan | I'm making an account for my friend to log into via ssh... I was wondering how I would set up an account that restricted him to only his home directory.... |
| 23:03.00 | pinko | SerajewelKS: it's an old joke, and it's harder to find humor in my own behavior than in others. |
| 23:03.06 | tawfik | What is the best FTP client for debian? |
| 23:03.08 | peterS | Karnaugh: I suppose I was asked about that in the past and said "yes" |
| 23:03.13 | SerajewelKS | !best |
| 23:03.14 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 23:03.17 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: find . -depth -print0|xargs -0 rename 's/ /_/g' |
| 23:03.18 | beardy | Gnea: Oh, you meant filenames, I thought you meant inside files. |
| 23:03.20 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it delves many, many levels - honestly, i don't know, that's why i'm gonna try it and see if it works |
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| 23:03.23 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: the -depth being important here. |
| 23:03.29 | Gnea | beardy: nonono :) |
| 23:03.34 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: hrm |
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| 23:03.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yeah rename doesn't do the recursion thing |
| 23:03.56 | peterS | indeed, -depth is important |
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| 23:04.03 | peterS | otherwise find will crap out halfway through |
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| 23:04.10 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: basically, because you've got to rename the deepest levels of the tree first; then the upper levels. |
| 23:04.14 | peterS | or the renames will |
| 23:04.34 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, assuming that the things that contain spaces are directories |
| 23:04.35 | skiflyer | Ugh... just installed phppgadmin, and I can't access it, I get a permissions denied error |
| 23:04.45 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: exactly. |
| 23:04.49 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: well, it won't hurt in either case. |
| 23:04.53 | tawfik | What is the best FTP client to install/use on Debian Linux?(for downloading files!!!!!) |
| 23:05.04 | dvs | !best |
| 23:05.04 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 23:05.04 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, true |
| 23:05.08 | dondelelcaro | tawfik: stop with the punctuation; try out lftp |
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| 23:05.17 | Beik | tawfik: wget, curl ... |
| 23:05.22 | thingfish | gftp |
| 23:05.30 | thingfish | there's no shortage |
| 23:05.31 | octoberdan | thingfish: why? |
| 23:05.32 | SerajewelKS | ftp =) |
| 23:05.34 | tawfik | Which one has a GUI? |
| 23:05.38 | Cronic | Morning all |
| 23:05.39 | Gnea | tawfik: ftp is good for something other than downloading files? *BOGGLE* |
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| 23:05.44 | thingfish | I rest my case. |
| 23:05.47 | dondelelcaro | it's ftp. WTF do you need a gui for? |
| 23:05.49 | fbi | wtf do you need a GUI for ftp? |
| 23:05.52 | fbi | hehe |
| 23:05.54 | Gnea | rofl |
| 23:06.01 | peterS | people want to use ftp as a remote file manager |
| 23:06.05 | Beik | Gnea: ftp is good at nothing. |
| 23:06.08 | SerajewelKS | tawfik, might try firefox/konqueror ;) |
| 23:06.12 | Gnea | people are dumb |
| 23:06.18 | peterS | they want -> and <- buttons in lieu of put and get |
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| 23:06.33 | fbi | pfffft |
| 23:06.36 | tawfik | cause it is easier, I don't really like firefox, since you don't have many settings or options to use for ftp |
| 23:06.36 | dondelelcaro | but then again, to me a gui is a useful thing to stick many xterms in |
| 23:06.40 | Gnea | winscp is a pretty snazzy gui for transferring files |
| 23:06.42 | dvs | dondelelcaro: What about system administration? ;-) |
| 23:06.45 | octoberdan | Take it easy on hi,... shit... |
| 23:06.45 | peterS | dondelelcaro: well, these are people who want a *local* file manager to have a gui as well |
| 23:06.47 | SerajewelKS | tawfik, try , |
| 23:06.53 | abrotman | filezilla |
| 23:06.55 | fbi | dondelelcaro: ever tried quadkonsole? |
| 23:06.56 | SerajewelKS | tawfik, try konqueror |
| 23:06.59 | dondelelcaro | dvs: heh |
| 23:07.02 | abrotman | for win32? |
| 23:07.06 | Cronic | I have an RSYNC problem. If anyone wouldn't mind helping. I have posted it on a linux forum: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-306185.html#306185 |
| 23:07.06 | peterS | dondelelcaro: oh, I know what you use a gui for. you use it to get around the inconvenient fact that linux text consoles can't do multi-head (: |
| 23:07.10 | Cronic | Any help would be apreciated |
| 23:07.12 | beardy | Gnea: Yeah, there you have to use a gui, so it works ok. |
| 23:07.18 | tawfik | dondelelcare: because it is easier for me, since I am a 15 year old, whose native language is not english, and I installed linux for only 2 weeks now, I rest my case |
| 23:07.22 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah; I also like to view graphics |
| 23:07.26 | Beik | !tell tawfik about wget |
| 23:07.27 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: you going to mac expo? |
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| 23:07.31 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: unlikely |
| 23:07.33 | skiflyer | Does anyone know what files I'm supposed to change the perms on to get phppgadmin working? I don't want to do the whole directory if it's not necessary |
| 23:07.36 | Gnea | beardy: and very well at that :) |
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| 23:07.41 | thingfish | hehe tawfik, good for you. |
| 23:07.52 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: :I too far? |
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| 23:08.07 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: or too much school? |
| 23:08.07 | skiflyer | Oh nevermind, I see how they did it... frustrating |
| 23:08.12 | welson | skiflyer, /usr/share/doc/phpadmin |
| 23:08.30 | dondelelcaro | tawfik: it's fine; you can learn lftp fairly quickly. The commands you need to use are get cd ls, possibly put and/or user/pass. |
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| 23:09.06 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: I don't really follow the mac world that closely anymore... I just use the hardware |
| 23:09.17 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: Me too.. ;) |
| 23:09.21 | Gnea | Cronic: try the -u option |
| 23:09.24 | tawfik | dondelelcaro:thanks! |
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| 23:09.29 | beardy | tawfik: It probably has a "help" command too, which should give you a quick command reference. |
| 23:09.33 | welson | dondelelcaro, right on, marklar works on my intel laptop :) |
| 23:09.38 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, it's a sad sight... not too long ago MacWorld had a review of a USB-powered coffee warmer sleeve |
| 23:10.03 | peterS | SerajewelKS: that sounds awful. heating water is very power-intensive. *not* what USB was designed for. |
| 23:10.15 | SerajewelKS | peterS, not heating it, keeping it warm |
| 23:10.22 | beardy | tawfik: -probably. It does, just type help. |
| 23:10.26 | peterS | same principle but less so |
| 23:10.33 | terrencevak | I'm not trying to spam or anything, but I asked a question about an error I'm getting, but I haven't heard *anything* in response. Am I asking the question wrong or something? |
| 23:10.34 | SerajewelKS | yeah, still stupid either way |
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| 23:10.53 | Piru | blah. sod it, I have a kernel upgrade pending anyway, lets see if bit sorting cures the screen issue |
| 23:11.06 | abrotman | terrencevak: or noone saw it |
| 23:11.11 | beardy | terrencevak: Please ask again. Perhaps everyone missed it, or didn't know, or want to asnwer. |
| 23:11.17 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: macworld had dvorak as a commentator for a long time. 'nough said. |
| 23:11.22 | welson | terrencevak, i answered your question *long ago-- you still stuck on that #bash thing? |
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| 23:11.26 | abrotman | i blame beardy .. he's always talking |
| 23:11.33 | peterS | abrotman! |
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| 23:11.38 | abrotman | peterS!! |
| 23:11.41 | beardy | abrotman: look whos talking :) |
| 23:11.45 | abrotman | beardy: what? |
| 23:11.51 | abrotman | peterS: fix my midi! :) |
| 23:11.58 | abrotman | i can't believe i just said that |
| 23:11.58 | peterS | abrotman: whatever is wrong with your midi? |
| 23:12.00 | abrotman | !shoot me |
| 23:12.07 | beardy | abrotman: You talk more than anyone :) |
| 23:12.11 | abrotman | peterS: no idea . i've never tried to set it up |
| 23:12.15 | Beik | terrencevak, maybe nobody knows how to solve your problem. |
| 23:12.17 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:12.22 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yeah, this'll be fun testing it on 11gigs worth of filenames |
| 23:12.23 | azeem | psst, or we won't notice terrencevak again |
| 23:12.30 | abrotman | peterS: then i can play with rosegarden, ardour, and the like |
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| 23:12.46 | abrotman | err at |
| 23:12.51 | peterS | abrotman: I gave up on linux midi awhile back - too often the sound fonts are non-free and you have to dig them off driver CDROMs that came with your motherboard, or some crap |
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| 23:13.06 | abrotman | peterS: don't you need it for rosegarden to be useful ? |
| 23:13.11 | peterS | abrotman: instead I just use timidity |
| 23:13.13 | Beik | Gnea, if you found a solution during the next ten minutes please tell me... |
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| 23:13.22 | peterS | abrotman: I haven't tried rosegarden, last I heard it was a POS but that was before the last rewrite |
| 23:13.39 | abrotman | beardy: you spelled it wrong |
| 23:13.41 | Gnea | Beik: a solution for what? |
| 23:13.51 | beardy | abrotman: Yes, I'm sorry about that. |
| 23:13.54 | beardy | !beer abrotman |
| 23:13.55 | abrotman | no you're not! |
| 23:13.58 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 23:14.00 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 23:14.02 | terrencevak | welson: No, not the bash one, the apt-get -f install one. I'd gotten an answer, but the solution I was given didn't work. I've been trying to do apt-get -f install, but keep getting the error at http://channels.debian.net/past/882. |
| 23:14.02 | abrotman | !beer beardy |
| 23:14.02 | Gnea | Beik: an ftp client? |
| 23:14.09 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: please fix it! |
| 23:14.09 | beardy | WHAT? |
| 23:14.17 | abrotman | or unlock it :) |
| 23:14.18 | peterS | abrotman: timidity was in a weird almost-non-free state for awhile, since the sound font that came with it turned out to be more or less pirated from Gravis. but now we have 'freepats', midi patches that are actually free and work with timidity |
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| 23:14.22 | beardy | I didn't get any.. |
| 23:14.27 | Gnea | Beik: just install gftp and be done with it |
| 23:14.33 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. ok |
| 23:14.34 | welson | terrencevak, that's because its a 404 |
| 23:14.40 | Beik | Gnea: no ;) for your 11 Gib rename problem... you still have this one, right? |
| 23:15.01 | abrotman | mwilson: lol ? |
| 23:15.07 | peterS | abrotman: however, possibly none of this actually helps you with rosegarden - it might insist on actual OSS/ALSA midi, rather than software-generated midi playback such as timidity does |
| 23:15.15 | azeem | terrencevak: that paste does not exist (anymore?) |
| 23:15.17 | mwilson | I'm reading udev bug reports |
| 23:15.24 | abrotman | peterS: not sure .. i'd have to play with it some more |
| 23:15.29 | Beik | Gnea: I'm fairly familiar with ftp. |
| 23:15.34 | abrotman | mwilson: did i tell you the udev maintainer is a crackhead? |
| 23:15.43 | mwilson | abrotman: You didn't need to. |
| 23:15.45 | beardy | abrotman: I want my beer.. dpkg drank it up himself. |
| 23:15.49 | terrencevak | That's strange! I guess it got kicked off. OK, let me paste it again. |
| 23:15.49 | abrotman | !beer beardy |
| 23:15.53 | Gnea | Beik: oh yeah, i have to mirror the data first ;) |
| 23:15.57 | azeem | ugh |
| 23:15.59 | beardy | abrotman: Ah, thanks :) |
| 23:16.02 | azeem | fix it, fix it |
| 23:16.15 | abrotman | beardy: i'd still like don to fix it :) |
| 23:16.19 | mwilson | abrotman: His response to one of the bugs is that the *kernel* is what's broken. :) |
| 23:16.21 | Gnea | ah, 1gig to go |
| 23:16.29 | Gnea | i *might* be able to get this done before i leave |
| 23:16.42 | terrencevak | OK, here's that error URL again: http://channels.debian.net/paste/883. This is the error from apt-get -f install. |
| 23:16.44 | abrotman | mwilson: i was upgrading my laptop and got caught by the udev requires 2.6.12 to install fuckery |
| 23:16.49 | beardy | abrotman: Yeah, it's one of the most important factoids. :) |
| 23:16.52 | abrotman | so i had to reboot my machine with a half upgraded system |
| 23:17.05 | drp2 | easiest way to read an ext3 filesystem in windows (XP) ... trying to back up some data from my last kernel panic before I re-install |
| 23:17.06 | peterS | abrotman: so, the problems with hardware midi support on debian are (1) hardware that doesn't do midi anyway (so windows uses software synth, similar to timidity), (2) alsa/oss drivers that don't support the chip's midi interface, (3) inconvenience loading the sound font into the sound card due to driver issues, and (4) inconvenience loading the sound font into the sound chip due to the sound font being buried in a zip file ... |
| 23:17.12 | peterS | ... on a driver CD that came with your motherboard or whatever |
| 23:17.13 | azeem | terrencevak: eh |
| 23:17.36 | thingfish | drp2: explore2fs |
| 23:17.40 | abrotman | peterS: so you're telling me to give up? |
| 23:17.41 | dondelelcaro | hardware midi != shitty chip specific sound font files |
| 23:17.49 | mwilson | abrotman: That sounds just about right. |
| 23:17.57 | abrotman | mwilson: yeah .. i was not a happy camper |
| 23:17.59 | azeem | terrencevak: what version of Debian are you running? |
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| 23:18.18 | abrotman | i almost went to hunt down md on fn .. but i figured he'd just boot me from the network since he's staff :) |
| 23:18.22 | peterS | abrotman: theoretically alsa can do software midi transparently (so apps think they're talking midi straight to the hardware) but I don't know how to set that up either |
| 23:18.23 | mwilson | abrotman: I've been looking off and on for some information about whether or not the other distributions are breaking udev in the same way. Is there any? |
| 23:18.28 | terrencevak | azeem: The sarge version I installed the other night. |
| 23:18.40 | azeem | terrencevak: and your libc6? |
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| 23:18.52 | abrotman | peterS: yeah ... i think i have to do the alsa/midi thing |
| 23:18.54 | mwilson | !maint hotplug |
| 23:18.55 | azeem | AFAIK the sarge version did not have those malloc checks |
| 23:18.57 | dpkg | hotplug: Fumitoshi UKAI <ukai@debian.or.jp> |
| 23:19.07 | abrotman | mwilson: none that i've seen .. the only one you could ask would be gentoo or maybe fedora |
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| 23:19.22 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: hrm, that didn't do it... |
| 23:19.23 | terrencevak | azeem: How do I check that version? |
| 23:19.28 | azeem | terrencevak: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 23:19.34 | abrotman | mwilson: you'd need one that isn't debian based .. and keeps fairly up to date |
| 23:19.44 | Gnea | unless i typed it wrong |
| 23:19.46 | mwilson | abrotman: I'm trying to understand how this increased fragility is a good thing. |
| 23:19.48 | peterS | abrotman: the other option on many older sound cards is opl3 based midi. that's fun, in a "sounds like total crap" sort of way |
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| 23:19.59 | abrotman | mwilson: uhm .. it's not? :) |
| 23:20.05 | abrotman | peterS: laptop! |
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| 23:20.29 | abrotman | mwilson: i was less than impressed |
| 23:20.31 | terrencevak | azeem: libc6 is 2.3.5-6. |
| 23:20.43 | azeem | terrencevak: what does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 23:20.47 | nimak | peterS: thanks again, it works |
| 23:20.48 | welson | terrencevak, if there's little disk space free up some more, and have 8 minimum for cache size |
| 23:20.54 | peterS | nimak: good to know |
| 23:20.55 | azeem | terrencevak: what does /etc/apt/sources.list say? stable/sarge? |
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| 23:21.06 | welson | terrencevak, the cache 8 meg is for ram-cache |
| 23:21.14 | mwilson | abrotman: The mis-handling of this will probably mean that I'll no longer run unstable anywhere. |
| 23:21.17 | peterS | nimak: so you're on 2.6.12 or 2.6.13 now? (I noticed after talking to you that 2.6.13 is in unstable now) |
| 23:21.24 | terrencevak | azeem 3.1 |
| 23:21.27 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: well, that will delete things that are exactly spaces in the names; if you want to just delete whitespace, you'll need something like; find . -depth -print0 |xargs -0 rename 's/\s+/_/g'; or similar. |
| 23:21.30 | nimak | i use testing |
| 23:21.34 | nimak | so .12 |
| 23:21.36 | mwilson | abrotman: Not that whether I do or not matters to anyone but me, but still... |
| 23:21.37 | abrotman | mwilson: i wouldn't go that far .. but it should make it interesting for a bit |
| 23:21.41 | peterS | nimak: that works |
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| 23:21.46 | nimak | yeah |
| 23:21.58 | dondelelcaro | (possibly with s/[\s_]+/_/g, depending...) |
| 23:22.16 | mwilson | abrotman: If md gets his way, hotplug will be dropped from the archive, and then there'll be no choice but to use udev. |
| 23:22.29 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:22.37 | abrotman | codec_semaphore: semaphore is not ready [0x1][0x701300] |
| 23:22.37 | abrotman | codec_write 1: semaphore is not ready for register 0x54 |
| 23:22.39 | peterS | yeah, he already supplants it with udev |
| 23:22.44 | abrotman | bonus points .. if that makes sense to you! |
| 23:22.46 | azeem | terrencevak: packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 23:22.55 | dondelelcaro | rename 's/\s+/\_/g; $_ = lc($_); s/\_+/\_/g; s/\_\././' ... is a typical command that I use. |
| 23:22.56 | azeem | terrencevak: your libc6 is from testing/unstable |
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| 23:23.07 | mwilson | peterS: Yes, but is *anyone else*? |
| 23:23.08 | peterS | abrotman: you should totally have remembered to make the semaphore ready for register 0x54, dude |
| 23:23.20 | abrotman | peterS: that's the result of using 2.6.12 on my laptop |
| 23:23.23 | peterS | mwilson: I don't use either package so I'm hardly in a position to know which is the better implementation |
| 23:23.26 | dvs | abrotman: What were you thinking?!? ;-) |
| 23:23.32 | abrotman | it's from testing! |
| 23:23.33 | paxl | somone here is having problem with ipw2200 in instable É |
| 23:23.38 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: aaaaaaaaah |
| 23:23.49 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: ok, i will give that shot later then, i gota run |
| 23:23.57 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: cool |
| 23:24.00 | mwilson | peterS: I already know hotplug is the better implementation... I'm wondering if you know if anyone else is doing what Debian is. |
| 23:24.08 | peterS | mwilson: no, no clue |
| 23:24.09 | abrotman | using both? |
| 23:24.28 | nimak | peterS: my printer works now, too |
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| 23:24.45 | mwilson | Who officially maintains udev, now that Greg KH has abandoned it? |
| 23:24.47 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: actually i got it to alternate and work for the most part by using -depth, omitting -depth, then using -depth again |
| 23:24.52 | peterS | mwilson: I did find it pretty amusing talking with Md a week or two ago, he seemed quite adamant that there was *no* way to avoid the flag day of depending on kernel 2.6.12 and above |
| 23:25.09 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: still gotta finish checking out the results tho - gonna take awhile :) |
| 23:25.13 | Gnea | anyhow, later |
| 23:25.14 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: heh |
| 23:25.15 | Gnea | and thanks |
| 23:25.17 | Gnea | :) |
| 23:25.18 | peterS | mwilson: I pointed out that the lvm maintainers found a way to deal with multiple kernel interfaces you might boot into, and he just said "yeah but that's different" |
| 23:25.20 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: np; have fun |
| 23:25.25 | Blissex | peterS: MD is a bit irritating, but the basic problem is GKH not MD |
| 23:25.31 | peterS | nimak: oh, your printer didn't work with the earlier kernel either? bonus! |
| 23:25.31 | mwilson | peterS: I could have sworn that there was something in Policy that said a package wasn't allowed to dep on a kernel. |
| 23:25.53 | mwilson | Blissex: Oh? How so? GKH has abandoned udev. |
| 23:26.11 | peterS | mwilson: well, I don't think it's in policy because it's really more of a common sense thing. we support users who compile their own kernels and your rule would seem to be a logical consequence of that |
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| 23:26.20 | Blissex | mwilson: but he created it, and hotplug, all hairy stuff that has never been quite finished... |
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| 23:27.14 | Blissex | mwilson: I have been so disgusted that I have switched back to fully manual driver loading and static '/dev'. Which is not elegant. |
| 23:27.18 | abrotman | fuck it .. fire them both |
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| 23:27.39 | peterS | mwilson: if one considers that cdrecord *still* supports kernel 2.0 (via a separate binary cdrecord.shm) ... you'd think maybe udev could support more 2.6.12+ (: |
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| 23:27.57 | peterS | perhaps cdrecord.shm should finally be dropped, come to think of it |
| 23:28.04 | abrotman | talk to greycat :) |
| 23:28.09 | mwilson | Blissex: According to GKH, udev isn't supposed to load drivers. It's right there in the FAQ. Apparently, someone forgot to tell md. |
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| 23:28.29 | abrotman | they make the users life harder than it should have to be ... |
| 23:28.37 | abrotman | and that's not very Debian of them :) |
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| 23:28.56 | ubotu | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of i_) |
| 23:28.56 | surfdue | hey |
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| 23:28.59 | abrotman | peterS: that codec thing is apparently an alsa bug introduced in 12-rc1 |
| 23:29.00 | surfdue | hey whats the latest debian |
| 23:29.04 | surfdue | is it still sarge? |
| 23:29.07 | abrotman | ubotu: hi |
| 23:29.08 | ubotu | privet, abrotman |
| 23:29.11 | peterS | surfdue: sarge is stable. |
| 23:29.13 | surfdue | k |
| 23:29.15 | abrotman | ubotu: bots are fun |
| 23:29.16 | ubotu | abrotman: okay |
| 23:29.20 | dvs | surfdue: Yes |
| 23:29.24 | peterS | ubotu: exit |
| 23:29.24 | ubotu | peterS: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:29.30 | abrotman | ubotu: die |
| 23:29.31 | ubotu | I don't know, abrotman |
| 23:29.32 | thingfish | privet? it speaks russian. |
| 23:29.45 | abrotman | !ops ubotu another blootbot that i_ sent here |
| 23:29.46 | ubotu | abrotman: Are you smoking crack? |
| 23:29.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ubotu another blootbot that i_ sent here |
| 23:29.54 | abrotman | and he's working on ! like dpkg |
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| 23:30.16 | peterS | i_: call off your bot, at least tell it not to respond to ! |
| 23:30.28 | FliesLikeABrick | when i'm setting up software raid with mdadm, do i fdisk the array after making it, then make a filesystem as if it was a normal drive? |
| 23:30.37 | peterS | i_: maybe you could have it respond to the prefix 'i_' |
| 23:30.52 | abrotman | peterS: i don't think you're going to get an answer :) |
| 23:30.58 | liable | its cafuego's bot. dunno how i_ got it to come here.. |
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| 23:31.11 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:31.16 | trollboy | I'm installing ddclient using apt-get |
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| 23:31.20 | peterS | we lose a bot and gain a troll boy |
| 23:31.21 | cheal | nice trade |
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| 23:31.31 | trollboy | Its asking me for the dynamic dns service |
| 23:31.51 | Hydroxide | trollboy: that would be whoever you signed up with for your hostname |
| 23:31.51 | trollboy | anythoughts on what its asking for there? |
| 23:31.56 | Celaborn | Does anyone use Convert-Lit? From this site http://www.kyz.uklinux.net/convlit.php |
| 23:31.59 | abrotman | trollboy: a dynamic dns service |
| 23:32.05 | peterS | trollboy: do you have any idea what ddclient is for? |
| 23:32.06 | cheal | abrotman: do you know if the ALSA kernel bug is fixed? |
| 23:32.07 | Hydroxide | trollboy: ddclient lets you use various different services, but isn't one of its own |
| 23:32.08 | liable | trollboy: why are you installing it? |
| 23:32.14 | abrotman | cheal: the one i mentioned ? |
| 23:32.18 | peterS | trollboy: if you have a reason to install it, you should also know what service you want it to use |
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| 23:32.20 | cheal | abrotman: yes |
| 23:32.20 | mwilson | feh, sysfs |
| 23:32.28 | abrotman | cheal: afaik .. no .. not in testing anyways ... |
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| 23:32.33 | Guerin | ubotu was the bot in #ubuntu for a time |
| 23:32.39 | trollboy | peterS, during the initial stages, I told it what service I'm using |
| 23:32.42 | peterS | Guerin: I figured, from the name |
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| 23:33.05 | Seb | so, dsbl.org is down for everyone, it's not just my ISP, right ? |
| 23:33.07 | peterS | trollboy: so what's your question then? |
| 23:33.16 | cheal | abrotman: yeah, that I can guess. anyway, I guess it's useless to report it if it's common |
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| 23:33.27 | abrotman | cheal: to bugs.d.o ? |
| 23:33.33 | abrotman | cheal: dunno .. |
| 23:33.43 | abrotman | cheal: ask me after .13 makes it to testing :) |
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| 23:33.47 | cheal | abrotman: probably first |
| 23:33.48 | Piru | pah. 2.6.13 rearranged eth interfaces again. but oh well, sorted those new names out and everything is fine again. screen pb is gone, too |
| 23:34.01 | peterS | Piru: what screen problem? |
| 23:34.01 | Seb | abrotman: or to sid, for that matter ;) |
| 23:34.05 | cheal | abrotman: it's OK, I'm tracking testing too :) |
| 23:34.09 | abrotman | Seb: down for me |
| 23:34.12 | abrotman | Seb: i'm not on sid |
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| 23:34.16 | Seb | abrotman: ok, thx for checking |
| 23:34.23 | Seb | abrotman: nah, I meant it ai'nt in sid either yet :) |
| 23:34.27 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:34.33 | abrotman | it's in experimental now |
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| 23:35.01 | Seb | abrotman: ah ok |
| 23:35.01 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.13-686 experimental |
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| 23:35.14 | abrotman | or not |
| 23:35.16 | trollboy | peterS, I already entered zoneedit via a radio button, but now its asking for a "Interface used by Dynamic DNS Service" |
| 23:35.18 | Seb | heh |
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| 23:35.25 | InKubus | hi i've got like 400mb in use on a box that doesn't do much but host websites and databases |
| 23:35.27 | peterS | trollboy: oh, eth0 eth1 eth2 etc. |
| 23:35.31 | abrotman | ah .. it's -1 |
| 23:35.31 | Seb | abrotman: i hate how dpkg remains silent for things he doesn't know/find |
| 23:35.32 | peterS | trollboy: 'ifconfig' should show them |
| 23:35.39 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.13-1-686 experimental |
| 23:35.40 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.13-1-686: (Linux kernel 2.6.13 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.13-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 16673 kB, Installed size: 48488 kB |
| 23:35.42 | InKubus | i've just stopped mysql/apache and it's still sat at around 400mb how can i find what's using it all? |
| 23:35.46 | abrotman | Seb: dont' tell me .. tell don |
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| 23:35.54 | Seb | abrotman: dondelelcaro ? |
| 23:35.55 | Piru | peters, bug #291628 (tho without nfs mount) |
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| 23:36.09 | abrotman | Seb: he'd be the one to ask |
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| 23:36.13 | abrotman | dpkg: who owns you |
| 23:36.13 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
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| 23:36.18 | Seb | abrotman: i didn't know he was dpkg's maintainer |
| 23:36.20 | abrotman | dpkg: hug dondelelcaro |
| 23:36.21 | morteoh | hm, everytime i want to run a GUI-application as root (sued in from a useraccount) i have to run 'xhost +' to allow connections.. how do i set this permanently? |
| 23:36.22 | Seb | heh |
| 23:36.29 | fishhead | anyone here speak both spanish and english well that could help me for a few mins in #hardware |
| 23:36.33 | fishhead | I need to help a guy out |
| 23:36.33 | Seb | morteoh: use sudo |
| 23:36.33 | Guerin | !xhost |
| 23:36.34 | dpkg | from memory, xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. |
| 23:36.39 | abrotman | Seb: he's the bot maintainer .. not the package maintainer |
| 23:36.39 | cheal | InKubus: RAM? |
| 23:36.43 | peterS | Piru: weird problem |
| 23:36.48 | Seb | abrotman: yeah I understand that :) |
| 23:36.48 | InKubus | cheal: yeah |
| 23:36.50 | abrotman | fishhead: /j #debian-es |
| 23:36.52 | abrotman | Seb: ok |
| 23:36.58 | mwilson | n |
| 23:37.01 | Guerin | !xhost is also use sux instead of su |
| 23:37.01 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 23:37.01 | fishhead | thx |
| 23:37.04 | cheal | InKubus: by which process(es)? |
| 23:37.09 | mentor | i_: Please don't invite bots to this channel that work on the same trigger as our bot |
| 23:37.18 | InKubus | i'm not sure |
| 23:37.19 | Seb | morteoh: just run "sudo theapp", man |
| 23:37.23 | InKubus | that's what i'm trying to find out |
| 23:37.28 | Piru | peters, indeed |
| 23:37.31 | Guerin | Seb: if he has sudoers set up |
| 23:37.37 | Guerin | sux is easier. |
| 23:37.43 | Seb | Guerin: indeed |
| 23:37.53 | Seb | Guerin: i confess I'm unfamiliar with sux |
| 23:37.53 | InKubus | cheal: the highest listing process in top is sshd at 0.4% |
| 23:37.55 | morteoh | i dont use sudo ATM, but I have installed sux now. Thanks. |
| 23:37.55 | Seb | the program, that is |
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| 23:38.04 | InKubus | listed* |
| 23:38.12 | cheal | InKubus: is top ordered by RAM usage? |
| 23:38.18 | InKubus | sure is |
| 23:38.19 | abrotman | fishhead: you're welcome |
| 23:38.35 | JediMaster | anyone have any idea why I'm getting "hda6: bad access: block=2, count=2"..... etc then EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock? I can read the partition from redshat, but debian just doens't want to boot from it |
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| 23:38.58 | cheal | InKubus: ur, and does your box have some 200 GB of RAM? ;) |
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| 23:39.31 | InKubus | ur? and no it has about 450, i always assumed it was mysql and apache taking up the load but after stopping them i'm no longer so sure |
| 23:39.40 | albo | how can i get full package names in dpkg -l |
| 23:39.49 | dondelelcaro | albo: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 23:40.09 | cheal | InKubus: is it apache or mysql? |
| 23:40.17 | InKubus | they're both stopped at the moment |
| 23:40.17 | peterS | . dpkg really needs a CSV-like output mode for -l |
| 23:40.27 | InKubus | and there's still 400mb in use |
| 23:40.36 | cheal | InKubus: how do you see that? |
| 23:40.41 | InKubus | in top |
| 23:40.45 | InKubus | Mem: 450896k total, 409620k used, 41276k free, 12812k buffers |
| 23:40.48 | octoberdan_ | I'm using enlightenment and Debian, how do I change the screen resolution? |
| 23:40.51 | mwilson | <snicker> now md is saying that people will be forced to upgrade to 2.6.14, which doesn't exist yet either. |
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| 23:41.16 | Seb | mwilson: md ? |
| 23:41.18 | FliesLikeABrick | when i'm setting up software raid with mdadm, do i fdisk the array after making it, then make a filesystem as if it was a normal drive? |
| 23:41.20 | cheal | octoberdan_: did you configure X to allow the resolution you're planning to use? |
| 23:41.33 | albo | dondelelcaro: the package names are still cut off |
| 23:41.42 | harfooz | Hi all. Can someone please help me with a regexp to install all the mozilla-firefox-locale-?? files? I'm having trouble with the proper regular expression to install only those that end with two letters. |
| 23:41.54 | albo | dondelelcaro: nm |
| 23:41.55 | octoberdan_ | cheal: Not sure |
| 23:42.01 | cheal | !drxx octoberdan_ |
| 23:42.01 | mfrisch | FliesLikeABrick mkfs /dev/md0 |
| 23:42.02 | dpkg | octoberdan_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:42.02 | mwilson | Seb: udev "maintainer". |
| 23:42.13 | Seb | mwilson: ah k |
| 23:42.26 | Seb | dpkg, tell InKubus about ram |
| 23:42.27 | FliesLikeABrick | hah crap mfrisch didn't even think of that |
| 23:42.31 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks mfrisch |
| 23:42.32 | octoberdan_ | Thanks man |
| 23:42.44 | harfooz | apt-get install mozilla-firefox-locale-?? grabs all the files starting with mozilla-firefox-locale- including the one that has a conflict (which ends with tr-tr) |
| 23:42.55 | InKubus | memory is wasted? kinda like the memory is in use but not really? |
| 23:42.59 | mfrisch | FliesLikeABrick ;-) |
| 23:43.05 | InKubus | ie filled but ready to be replaced? |
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| 23:43.10 | FliesLikeABrick | mfrisch i was trying to treat it like windows handles RAID |
| 23:43.15 | cheal | InKubus: according to what you say, it seems very likely that apache and mysql are indeed not taking that RAM |
| 23:43.18 | FliesLikeABrick | partitioning it etc |
| 23:43.34 | InKubus | cheal: no i don't think so as they're stopped |
| 23:44.05 | mwilson | Whyinhell does sane dep on libgphoto... |
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| 23:44.16 | mfrisch | FliesLikeABrick its a psuedo-device set up by mdadm, you could partition it but why? |
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| 23:44.32 | Seb | harfooz: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l mozilla-firefox-locale-* | awk '{print $1}' | grepOrPerl something ? |
| 23:44.35 | FliesLikeABrick | mfrisch i didn't know that i could create a filesystem right on it |
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| 23:44.48 | Seb | harfooz: that way if you pick perl you'll have true pcres |
| 23:45.07 | Seb | harfooz: or is it the actual pcre you're having toruble to write ? |
| 23:45.10 | FliesLikeABrick | wait... mfrisch, can you just create a filesystem right on, say, /dev/hda? |
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| 23:45.18 | FliesLikeABrick | like mkfs /dev/hda instead of hda1 ? |
| 23:45.23 | FliesLikeABrick | aka not partitioning it? |
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| 23:45.37 | nimak | how do i switch between alsa and oss? |
| 23:45.45 | FliesLikeABrick | change the output plugin for whatever program you're using |
| 23:45.57 | mfrisch | FliesLikeABrick yes...flash disks usually are. |
| 23:46.06 | harfooz | Seb, I don't think so, I thought there was a way to use regexp with apt-get install directly. |
| 23:46.10 | octoberdan_ | Gah, I'm stuck in evilwm |
| 23:46.12 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks mfrisch |
| 23:46.22 | FliesLikeABrick | i always partitioned my disks |
| 23:46.28 | Guerin | evilwm is beautiful |
| 23:46.28 | octoberdan_ | How do you switch window managers on the fly? |
| 23:46.47 | nimak | log out, then log back in? |
| 23:46.55 | clueless | Is there any program to extract region code information from a DVD? |
| 23:46.58 | nimak | define on the fly |
| 23:47.04 | harfooz | Seb, in other words, I want to install all the mozilla-firefox-locale-?? packages. |
| 23:47.04 | octoberdan_ | While it's running |
| 23:47.08 | mfrisch | FliesLikeABrick I would still. / /usr /tmp /var /home all separate is good |
| 23:47.09 | nimak | erm |
| 23:47.21 | nimak | can you |
| 23:47.22 | nimak | ? |
| 23:47.23 | FliesLikeABrick | mfrisch what is the benefit of doing them all separately? |
| 23:47.23 | octoberdan_ | as in, I'm running evilwm and I want to switch over to blackbox |
| 23:47.36 | harfooz | Seb, but the two ?? aren't doing what I think it ought to do. |
| 23:47.41 | FliesLikeABrick | i usually do everything in one partition except /home |
| 23:47.47 | InKubus | brb gonna make a cup of tea |
| 23:47.51 | Guerin | octoberdan_: *box has functionality to change on the fly, but I don't know how to do it from evilwm |
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| 23:48.04 | octoberdan_ | Is there a command to stop X? |
| 23:48.07 | clueless | Is there command line program to extract region code information from a DVD? (I took a look at tcextract, tcprobe and none gives out that info,....) |
| 23:48.08 | octoberdan_ | or to logout? |
| 23:48.18 | Seb | harfooz: which is why i recommended the solution I recommended |
| 23:48.40 | Seb | harfooz: i don't know of apt-get supporting pcres directly |
| 23:48.51 | harfooz | Seb, ok |
| 23:48.56 | Seb | i might just not *know* about it, though... |
| 23:49.12 | Beik | FliesLikeABric: e.g. you can mount a /usr partition ro. |
| 23:49.15 | harfooz | Seb, another thought just hit me (long day here): I could just use Synaptic also. |
| 23:49.16 | mfrisch | FliesLikeABrick well I like to mount /usr ro, have root by its self for security, /tmp so it is seperate if someone uses it up. |
| 23:49.20 | FliesLikeABrick | ah |
| 23:49.23 | Seb | harfooz: where's the fun in that ? |
| 23:49.27 | harfooz | heh heh |
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| 23:49.46 | FliesLikeABrick | mfrisch as well as the fact that if a partion or part of a partiton gets corrupted, you won't lose the whole thing or something |
| 23:49.49 | Seb | harfooz: once you find the right pcre, you can just pipe it into | xargs apt-get install --yes |
| 23:49.53 | FliesLikeABrick | can wipe one out without losing others :P |
| 23:50.05 | Seb | harfooz: also it's gonna be awk '{print $2}' not $1, sorry bout that |
| 23:50.10 | kreg | i'm not finding anything about problems with uw-imapd for sarge on the site. anyone run into this problem? dpkg: error processing uw-imapd (--configure): |
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| 23:50.24 | harfooz | Thanks, Seb! |
| 23:50.29 | harfooz | Seb -- have a good one! |
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| 23:50.39 | Seb | harfooz: np |
| 23:50.45 | harfooz | gotta scoot -- screaming baby again. |
| 23:50.57 | mfrisch | FliesLikeABrick yes /home helps to |
| 23:51.00 | Seb | kreg: wu-imapd is widely considered crappy ;) |
| 23:51.13 | InKubus | rebooted and everything is started up and the memory usage is at 131mb |
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| 23:51.17 | kreg | Seb, do you recommend a different imapd ? |
| 23:51.18 | InKubus | the box was online for 61 days |
| 23:51.21 | InKubus | what would cause that? |
| 23:51.26 | Seb | kreg: hell yeah, courier |
| 23:51.41 | mfrisch | Seb cannot get dovecot to work any pointers |
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| 23:51.52 | cafuego_ | Sorry about ubotu joinspamming the channel. He had a priv bug *glares at dondelelcaro* which is now fixed. |
| 23:52.07 | Seb | kreg: been using for years, works just fine. I've read too many horror stories about wu-imapd. But of course you prolly wanna research it yoself before taking my advice like that :) |
| 23:52.11 | Seb | mfrisch: ? |
| 23:52.34 | mfrisch | Seb dovecot-imapd..oh well |
| 23:52.40 | Seb | mfrisch: ah k |
| 23:52.42 | kreg | Seb, whichever works. not overly concerned. i just insatlled posfix and i wanna access it remotely via imap |
| 23:53.12 | kreg | oh |
| 23:53.19 | kreg | courier is also the mta? |
| 23:53.23 | Seb | kreg: courier is good, try it, you might end up liking it. I odn't think there's any problems between postfix and courier, but i use exim, so maybe you wanna researc hthat too. |
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| 23:53.30 | Seb | kreg: nah i use exim + courier-imap |
| 23:53.45 | kreg | Seb, cool. may the research begin.. |
| 23:53.49 | kreg | heh thanks |
| 23:53.51 | Seb | although courier might be an mta too, not sure... |
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| 23:53.53 | Seb | kreg: np |
| 23:53.56 | Guerin | courier makes a mta |
| 23:54.00 | mfrisch | Seb does it turn-key? |
| 23:54.02 | Seb | k |
| 23:54.06 | Guerin | postfix and courier play fine together |
| 23:54.08 | Seb | mfrisch: ? |
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| 23:54.23 | Seb | kreg: there you go, your research's just been done by Guerin :> |
| 23:54.28 | mfrisch | Seb is it work out of the box?? |
| 23:54.52 | kreg | amazing. googless progress |
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| 23:54.58 | Guerin | courier-imap/pop/authdaemon, I mean |
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| 23:55.00 | Seb | mfrisch: i'm not sure what you're asking here ? |
| 23:55.08 | Guerin | running courier-mta and postfix on the same box is just stupid |
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| 23:55.21 | Seb | sure, courier-imap is what he needs |
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| 23:55.51 | kreg | truth is, i don't know much about how to run mail. i started by installing a mta to play with locally. |
| 23:55.55 | mfrisch | Seb is it need to be set up to authenticate, where mbox's are, or does it just work? |
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| 23:56.01 | Guerin | !mail tutorial |
| 23:56.01 | dpkg | methinks mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 23:56.20 | Guerin | mfrisch: you need to tell it SOME things |
| 23:56.20 | Tortel | wazZzup all? |
| 23:56.25 | Seb | mfrisch: hmm, of course it needs to be configured |
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| 23:56.32 | mfrisch | THANKS |
| 23:56.33 | Seb | mfrisch: but it ain't that bad |
| 23:56.41 | Guerin | mfrisch: it can be as simple or as complicated as you need |
| 23:56.57 | steigweis | do you have an idea, why my browser doesnt render courier fonts? i have mstcorefonts an everything is working, but courier... |
| 23:56.58 | Seb | sorta like any *NIX daemon :) |
| 23:57.13 | squarepants | when i try to play midi i get open /dev/sequencer: No such device |
| 23:57.15 | Guerin | except bind, which is just complicated |
| 23:57.22 | Seb | Guerin: :) |
| 23:57.33 | Guerin | squarepants: do you have a midi sequencer on your sound card? |
| 23:57.39 | mfrisch | Guerin I thought dovecot-imapd was simple but I cannot get it going, is it easier/harder? |
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| 23:58.03 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 23:58.03 | Guerin | mfrisch: haven't used it. |
| 23:58.29 | squarepants | if you mean if it plays midi, yes, works normally outside linux |
| 23:58.36 | redtime | !ldap tutorial |
| 23:58.44 | redtime | :( |
| 23:58.55 | kreg | thank you Guerin |
| 23:58.57 | Seb | redtime: google sure knows this one |
| 23:59.39 | mfrisch | Guerin is there a standard imap pam module? |
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