| 00:00.06 | scx | * scx stop crying, and is going to shot herself (as fast as find a rifle) |
| 00:00.11 | Wyzard | Danar: man oggdec; man oggenc |
| 00:00.25 | Wyzard | scx: Because you can't mount your NFS? |
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| 00:00.55 | scx | Wyzard: 'cause of i have a lot of problems |
| 00:01.03 | maher | !comfort scx |
| 00:01.06 | dpkg | There, there, scx. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:01.18 | Guerin | Wyzard: oh, is that what they call it |
| 00:01.23 | scx | :s thanks |
| 00:01.37 | Guerin | hrm, are you sure it's not implemented? I have a mate who reckons he did it to a bunch of files... |
| 00:01.48 | emergo | how can I monitor my memorstatus ? how much I use and how uch free and keep it running in xterm (done before but...) |
| 00:02.04 | maher | emergo: top |
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| 00:02.17 | emergo | maher: something else than top I used |
| 00:02.24 | servus | free? |
| 00:02.25 | Wyzard | Guerin: Danar and I looked for a peeler a little while ago, and all we found was an experimental Windows-only one which everyone said yielded poor-quality results |
| 00:02.28 | Guerin | Danar: for file in *,ogg; do (something which decodes it to wav) && (something which encodes it to ogg at the new bitrate) |
| 00:02.31 | Guerin | ; done |
| 00:02.34 | emergo | servus: free I think yes |
| 00:02.41 | Guerin | Wyzard: oh, ok. |
| 00:02.44 | xcr | how to make a app autostart in debian? dont remember what command it was.. something with "update" I think :P |
| 00:02.49 | servus | Guerin: sox can do that. |
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| 00:02.54 | dvs | xcr: update-rc.d |
| 00:02.58 | emergo | servus: how can I make free run continous ? |
| 00:02.58 | Guerin | servus: true. |
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| 00:03.14 | servus | Keep running it, emergo? |
| 00:03.22 | Guerin | emergo: while true; do free; sleep 5; done |
| 00:03.26 | xcr | dvs: for example update-rc.d <app> or something more to get it start at boot? |
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| 00:03.33 | crispynix | Danar: encoding from a lossy format to a lossy format isn't a very good idea (quality will suffer) |
| 00:03.34 | maher | emergo: man free |
| 00:03.35 | servus | sox infile.ogg -r new_rate outfile.ogg |
| 00:03.47 | jimjam | anyone? im trying to add some more ips to my eth0 interface |
| 00:03.48 | Guerin | servus: hah, sweet |
| 00:03.59 | dvs | xcr: update-rc.d <name> defaultsw |
| 00:04.01 | dvs | xcr: update-rc.d <name> defaults |
| 00:04.02 | Guerin | !servus++ |
| 00:04.09 | Danar | crispynix, i need to turn my ogg files into ones with a bitrate no higher than 320 for my mp3 player |
| 00:04.15 | Guerin | jimjam: man interfaces |
| 00:04.16 | crispynix | Danar: ah, ok |
| 00:04.21 | emergo | servus: Guerin there should be another way, I check man free first |
| 00:04.30 | cj | anyone here know much about the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp package (or its bretheren)? |
| 00:04.31 | crispynix | Danar: if they're higher than 320, I don't imagine it'll matter much in that case. |
| 00:04.33 | servus | What exactly do you want to do, emergo? |
| 00:04.35 | xcr | dvs: okay.. thank you. |
| 00:04.51 | zinx | loonies |
| 00:04.52 | Danar | crispynix, it won't play most of them |
| 00:04.53 | maher | emergo: what does free -s 1 do then? |
| 00:05.00 | emergo | servus: see If I have enough memory ? check if its swapping a lot |
| 00:05.01 | zinx | if you want higher than 256 or so use lossless :/ |
| 00:05.03 | Guerin | cj: no. We're all clueless morons. but try asking your question anyway. |
| 00:05.16 | cj | Guerin: still not Guerin Austin, are you? |
| 00:05.25 | Danar | zinx, such as? |
| 00:05.27 | Guerin | zinx: except lossless is about twice the size of 256, and probably only 10% higher quality |
| 00:05.31 | zinx | Danar: flac? |
| 00:05.40 | Guerin | cj: sorry, I haven't transmogrified just yet. |
| 00:05.49 | zinx | Guerin: but there's no point in anything past 256 because you can't tell the f'n difference anyway |
| 00:05.50 | Wyzard | jim: You can do it by configuring IPs on the alias interfaces "eth0:0, eth0:1, etc." which get created automatically when you configure them, but I don't know whether that's the preferred way |
| 00:05.57 | Guerin | but if the player can't play high bitrate ogg, I bet it can't play flac |
| 00:05.59 | cj | Guerin: oh, right. uhm... the initrd that that package builds doesn't load the sata drivers for my controllers... |
| 00:06.00 | zinx | Guerin: the only point would be to use a lossless codec :/ |
| 00:06.06 | Danar | zinx, some can |
| 00:06.07 | cj | Guerin: any clue how to get it to? |
| 00:06.08 | jimjam | i think thats what i did before i had like etho:15 and that |
| 00:06.09 | emergo | maher: same as Guerin suggested keep runnung it, but I did something else that didnt go on and on to scroll down, but worked like top |
| 00:06.13 | Guerin | there are only about three players on the markey which do play flac, aiui |
| 00:06.14 | jimjam | but i cant remember how i did it |
| 00:06.15 | zinx | Guerin: yes, but it's better to transcode from flac to vorbis ;) |
| 00:06.31 | Wyzard | jimjam: Also "man ip" and look up how to use "ip addr add" |
| 00:06.37 | Guerin | emergo: while true; do free; sleep 5; reset; done |
| 00:06.42 | Guerin | zinx: true. |
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| 00:06.59 | Danar | "Plays MP3, WMA & OGG music files" |
| 00:07.01 | zinx | Guerin: and if you're working with that high of bitrates anyway, you're some lunatic audiophile who cares that it's better to transcode from flac to vorbis than high-bitrate vorbis to vorbis |
| 00:07.13 | servus | Guerin: free -s 5 for that |
| 00:07.18 | servus | Someone already mentioned it.. |
| 00:07.20 | emergo | Guerin: it works but Im sure I used a different method last that |
| 00:07.27 | Wyzard | Danar: What kind of player, btw? |
| 00:07.29 | Guerin | jimjam: virtual interfaces are set up identically to real ones. man interfaces describes it in detail. |
| 00:07.35 | emergo | well it works ... |
| 00:07.35 | Danar | http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/ultra/700/ifp_799.aspx |
| 00:07.41 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:07.41 | Guerin | servus: see, rtfm is good :) |
| 00:08.14 | Guerin | oh, iriver |
| 00:08.20 | cj | how do I inform initrd that it needs to load sata_piix, sata_sil, libata, and md ? |
| 00:08.24 | Guerin | i didn't know they did ogg |
| 00:08.31 | maher | emergo: onthe same box recently? look in ~/.bash_history |
| 00:08.37 | Guerin | cj: should happen automatically |
| 00:08.46 | Danar | it was the only one i could find that played ogg and didn't have drm :p |
| 00:08.48 | cj | Guerin: and if it doesn't, how do I go about troubleshooting? |
| 00:08.48 | servus | To alias an ethernet device, try this: Say that eth0 is 192.168.100.1, you can do `ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.100.1` and eth0 will respond to both addresses. |
| 00:09.04 | emergo | maher: way back :-( |
| 00:09.09 | Guerin | cj: dunno. initrd is black magic to me. |
| 00:09.10 | Wyzard | Danar: I've heard good things about those too |
| 00:09.23 | emergo | maher: what decide how long bash_history is ? |
| 00:09.35 | emergo | whoa |
| 00:09.43 | maher | emergo: man bash <-- somewhere in there |
| 00:09.46 | Danar | Wyzard, i like it so far, except for the mangling it did to a couple songs with mucho bass |
| 00:09.53 | servus | HISTFILESIZE environment, emergo |
| 00:09.55 | emergo | maher: oki |
| 00:10.01 | servus | Documentation, people! Seriously. |
| 00:10.16 | Danar | Wyzard, but that should be fixed when i lower the bitrate |
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| 00:11.04 | eck | does anyone know when inotify is going to make it into the debian kernel packages? |
| 00:11.31 | Guerin | eck: is it in mainline? |
| 00:11.32 | Wyzard | Which kernel version was inotify first included in? |
| 00:11.51 | eck | Guerin: I don't think so |
| 00:11.59 | Guerin | eck: then probably never |
| 00:12.05 | Wyzard | I thought it was in either .12 or .13 |
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| 00:12.14 | azeem | rather .13, IIRC |
| 00:12.20 | Wyzard | but .13 won't be in Debian for a while |
| 00:12.24 | eck | Wyzard: Right now I think it exists only as a patch |
| 00:12.39 | Danar | Guerin, about that script... i have a lot of files in a folder, and i only want some of them encoded, and not enough space on the partition to encode them all in the same dir... |
| 00:13.27 | eck | nm, inotify is in 2.6.13 |
| 00:13.31 | eck | i guess that answers my question :) |
| 00:13.40 | Guerin | Danar: use a pattern to match the ones you want, and craft your loop so it deletes each wave file as it successfully encodes |
| 00:13.48 | Guerin | oggenc can probably even do that last bit for you |
| 00:13.49 | candle | anyone using Tripwire? |
| 00:13.58 | Guerin | if you read the documentation you'l know for sure |
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| 00:14.01 | Danar | Guerin, there's no pattern that matches them all |
| 00:14.04 | Guerin | !anyone use tripwire |
| 00:14.05 | dpkg | No, no one uses tripwire, not even the people who use it. |
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| 00:14.15 | Wyzard | eck: .13 also drops support for devfs, and Debian's initrd-tools depend on devfs in some cases, so .13 won't be packaged until either initrd-tools is fixed or (more likely) we transition to initramfs |
| 00:14.19 | jimjam | ok so ive read interfaces but i just remember i used to do |
| 00:14.20 | Guerin | Danar: then you'll need to specify each one individually |
| 00:14.42 | jimjam | ifconfig eth0:1 xx.xx.xx.xx netmask xx.xx.xx.xx etc.. etc.. |
| 00:14.43 | Danar | Guerin, yeah... :( there's over 100 though |
| 00:14.43 | servus | find /the/dir -type f -name "*.ogg" -print0 | xargs -0 -iXX "sox XX -r 123 temp_XX && rm XX && mv temp_XX XX" |
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| 00:15.36 | eck | Wyzard: do the debian kernel packages have any debian patches? is it possible for me to just use make-kpkg on the vanilla kernel source? |
| 00:15.42 | Guerin | Danar: there IS a regexp which matches them all. You just haven't written it yet :) |
| 00:15.49 | Guerin | eck: sure. |
| 00:15.58 | Danar | Guerin, not one that would serve it's purpose |
| 00:16.05 | Wyzard | eck: Debian's kernels do some have patches, but vanilla source should work fine too |
| 00:16.11 | Danar | Guerin, (of saving time) |
| 00:16.26 | servus | eck: From the kernel source dir, do `make oldconfig` then configure your kernel from there on. It'll be preset to how your current stock Debian kernel is configured |
| 00:16.47 | Guerin | Danar: this is why you should organise your music into subdirs |
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| 00:16.56 | Wyzard | eck: I know that historically, Debian added the cramfs patch which was needed by initrd-tools... that might be included upstream now, though I'm not sure, and it won't be needed under initramfs anyway |
| 00:17.00 | poncho | Hello! |
| 00:17.30 | Danar | Guerin, some of it is, but that doesn't help much. for example, i want a number of songs by a certain group, but not all of them |
| 00:17.47 | candle | servus: are you using Tripwire? |
| 00:17.49 | scx | * scx is gonna watch a movie, to relax and let God fix it |
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| 00:18.02 | eck | all: thanks for the help; i'm already using a custom compiled kernel (2.6.12) from the linux-source-2.6.12 package, so I don't need an initrd |
| 00:18.08 | servus | Never heard of it, candle |
| 00:18.16 | Wyzard | scx: Hope it helps, whatever it is |
| 00:18.24 | eck | I'm gonna see if I can get inotify + beagle working :-) |
| 00:18.28 | scx | Wyzard: tnkz |
| 00:18.34 | servus | I just now read up on it. I've heard of other file monitoring daemons though |
| 00:18.45 | candle | servus: tried it! aptget install tripwire |
| 00:18.56 | candle | servus: try it! apt-get install tripwire |
| 00:19.44 | servus | candle: I prefer to `cvs add /*` :) |
| 00:19.59 | candle | servus: never heard of it :P |
| 00:20.11 | Wyzard | cvs, yuck |
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| 00:20.33 | candle | servus: but I did hear that cvs is for n00bs |
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| 00:20.39 | servus | SVN angers me with its unreliability. |
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| 00:20.59 | candle | Wyzard: ever used Tripwire? |
| 00:21.03 | Wyzard | Not for n00bs... just old and feature-poor |
| 00:21.04 | Wyzard | candle: no |
| 00:21.10 | candle | ok |
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| 00:21.33 | servus | CVS is definitely not newbie-friendly :P |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | sure it is |
| 00:21.46 | abrotman | as long as you can ... read |
| 00:21.51 | Wyzard | Revision control in general isn't newbie-friendly |
| 00:21.57 | deadcat | depends what how many command you use it with |
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| 00:22.09 | Wyzard | I'm talking about the fact that CVS can't tell the difference between renaming a file, and delting a file and creating a new one |
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| 00:22.16 | Wyzard | and has no way to delete a directory |
| 00:22.17 | Wyzard | etc. |
| 00:22.52 | Danar | what's a good mp3 player that works with linux? mine is good, but isn't supported. i have to use a 3rd party app |
| 00:23.12 | dvs | Danar: What do you have? |
| 00:23.12 | ron_ | hello all i'm using gcc 4 and want to know is there a way to use gcc 3.3 or other if it's also installed ? |
| 00:23.25 | Danar | dvs, http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/ultra/700/ifp_799.aspx |
| 00:23.39 | candle | Danar: xmms |
| 00:23.51 | Wyzard | ron_: "gcc" will run the default compiler (currently gcc4), but you can also run "gcc-4.0", "gcc-3.3", etc. |
| 00:23.52 | Danar | candle, i mean a portable mp3 player |
| 00:23.52 | dvs | Danar: IRiver supports ogg. I'm surprised that they don't support Linux |
| 00:24.16 | Wyzard | Danar: It doesn't act as a plain usb-storage device? |
| 00:24.19 | candle | Danar: those things will give you permanent ear damage |
| 00:24.22 | Danar | dvs, yeah, i kinda figured one that played ogg would |
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| 00:24.37 | Danar | Wyzard, not as far as i can tell. i can't moun tit |
| 00:24.38 | dondelelcaro | ron_: CC=gcc-3.3 or similar. |
| 00:24.41 | Danar | *mount it |
| 00:24.56 | Danar | candle, how's that? |
| 00:25.08 | wendell_iii | http://www.livejournal.com/users/drugoi/1468288.html?thread=29096832 <- impressive |
| 00:25.11 | ron_ | such as ./configure CC=gcc-3.3 ? |
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| 00:25.35 | candle | Danar: too close to the ear, too noisy! you will get a ringing in your ear, and it destroy your life, cant even sleep withoiut hearing buzzing and ringing |
| 00:25.40 | Danar | Wyzard, i have no /dev/sb* when it's connected for some reason |
| 00:25.49 | Danar | candle, i use low volume |
| 00:26.07 | candle | Danar: I speak from personal expoerience! DONT let anything near your ear like a poirtable mp3 player! I have a constant buzzing in my ear |
| 00:26.11 | candle | Danar: no matter |
| 00:26.31 | candle | Danar: low volume over long perioud of time still does permanent ear damage |
| 00:26.34 | Danar | candle, you probably played it too loud |
| 00:26.40 | candle | Danar: but do as you wish |
| 00:26.48 | candle | Danar: no I didnt |
| 00:27.00 | ron_ | wow thanks so much it worked |
| 00:27.03 | Danar | millions of people use them... i would think i'd have heard more of this |
| 00:27.04 | candle | Danar: do as you wish, and one day when you have constant ringing in your ear, you will realise |
| 00:27.24 | Wyzard | Danar: Plug it in and run hal-device-manager, and see what it looks like in the hardware tree |
| 00:27.36 | Danar | Wyzard, usbviewer sees it |
| 00:27.37 | Wyzard | Danar: That's how I discovered that my digital camera uses PTP rather than usb-storage |
| 00:27.49 | jim | what's hal-device-manager |
| 00:27.50 | dondelelcaro | there's more than one way to get tinnitus |
| 00:28.02 | Wyzard | Danar: I don't mean just to check whether it's recognized... I mean to see exactly what kind of interface it provides |
| 00:28.10 | jim | cymbal crashes being one |
| 00:28.16 | Danar | hal-device-manager: command not found |
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| 00:28.30 | Wyzard | jim: It's a hardware viewer (read-only, so "manager" is a misnomer) which provides a nice way to browse info taken from /sys |
| 00:28.32 | dvs | !find hal-device-manager sarge |
| 00:28.35 | dpkg | hal-device-manager: (Hardware Abstraction Layer user interface), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.7-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 150 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
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| 00:28.39 | Wyzard | Danar: apt-get install hal-device-manager |
| 00:28.55 | cio | Hi all. If I'm writing a php based management interface for an embedded appliance and want to keep things as light as possible, would it be a good choice to use Apache 1.3 instead of Apache2? |
| 00:29.16 | dvs | cio: Apache 1.3 ain't supported by Apache anymore |
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| 00:29.26 | candle | dondelelcaro: exessive noise |
| 00:30.18 | cio | dvs: I didn't know they 'supported' 2??! What's their phone number? Seriously, that aside, which would be the better choice? |
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| 00:31.00 | dondelelcaro | candle: that's only one way |
| 00:31.13 | cj | how do I ensure that libata, piix and sata_sil get loaded before md fails for lack of finding my sata disks? |
| 00:31.21 | candle | dondelelcaro: name another |
| 00:31.28 | mfrisch | anybody grok squid? |
| 00:31.34 | dvs | cio: Ok. Let me put it this way. If there is some new security threat, Apache 2 will be updated, Apache 1.3 won't |
| 00:31.36 | jim | nice |
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| 00:31.39 | Wyzard | cj: List them in /etc/mkinitrd/modules maybe |
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| 00:31.48 | cio | Ahh. Good point! |
| 00:31.52 | cj | Wyzard: I did. No go :( |
| 00:32.04 | candle | dondelelcaro: tinnitus is caused by nerve damage in the inner ear. |
| 00:32.19 | Wyzard | cj: dunno then... get a shell on the initrd and check whether the modules are a) present in the filesystem, and b) actually loaded |
| 00:32.38 | carrett | hey guys. i'm having troubles with my nvidia. the driver loads fine and shows up in lsmod, but /dev/nvidia* aren't created...i've been told it might be because i'm using udev, but i can't figure out why or how to fix it. can anyone help me? |
| 00:32.53 | Wyzard | carrett: nvidia works fine with udev |
| 00:32.58 | cj | Wyzard: okay. Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 00:33.14 | carrett | Wyzard: hm...ok, then what else could be the cause for this lack of /dev/nvidia*? |
| 00:33.32 | Wyzard | carrett: dunno, sorry |
| 00:34.03 | Wyzard | carrett: You installed nvidia-kernel using the Debian package, right? Not just ran nVidia's installer script? |
| 00:34.06 | Danar | Wyzard, it doesn't see it |
| 00:34.12 | carrett | Wyzard: correct. |
| 00:34.17 | candle | dondelelcaro: whats the name of the otologist who said its caused by something else besides nerve damage in the inner ear? |
| 00:34.37 | Danar | Wyzard, wait, now it does |
| 00:34.44 | cj | Wyzard: /loadmodules includes the module names |
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| 00:34.52 | cheal | carrett: see http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/troubleshooting.html |
| 00:35.03 | Danar | Wyzard, what am i looking for? |
| 00:35.19 | Wyzard | Danar: Under the device, you should see an item that says something like "USB such-and-such Interface" |
| 00:35.40 | Wyzard | Danar: For example, I have "hp LaserJet 1300" and under it, "USB Printing Interface" |
| 00:35.51 | cj | libata.ko, siimage.ko, and piix.ko all exist on the cramfs fs |
| 00:35.51 | Wyzard | Danar: My camera contains a "USB PTP Interface" |
| 00:35.57 | Danar | Wyzard, in the list? |
| 00:36.01 | Wyzard | Danar: right |
| 00:36.02 | Danar | it says usb hub interface |
| 00:36.22 | Wyzard | Danar: Your MP3 player contains a hub interface and nothing else? |
| 00:36.34 | dondelelcaro | candle: you're confusing proximal and distal causes; there is more than one way to cause nerve damage in the inner ear. |
| 00:36.41 | Guerin | eew, PTP |
| 00:36.45 | candle | dondelelcaro: whats the name of the otologist who said that? |
| 00:36.48 | cj | Wyzard: it doesn't look like any of the modules are loaded, though. any clue why that might happen? |
| 00:36.51 | Danar | Wyzard, wait, that's under the thing above it. it says vendor specific |
| 00:36.55 | Wyzard | Guerin: It's not that bad... gthumb downloads from it just fine |
| 00:37.09 | Wyzard | Danar: ah... ok, then it's proprietary after all |
| 00:37.13 | Guerin | Wyzard: i found it FAR slower than plain old USBMS |
| 00:37.24 | candle | dondelelcaro: whats the name of the otologist who said that tinnitus is caused any other way besides nerve damage to the inner ear? |
| 00:37.27 | Danar | Wyzard, which is evil :p |
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| 00:37.45 | Guerin | Wyzard: my nikon 5700 supports it, but I use it as a mass sotrage device |
| 00:37.52 | mfrisch | candle you gonna get them... |
| 00:37.55 | Danar | Wyzard, why would they do that? |
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| 00:38.00 | dondelelcaro | candle: look up Meniers disease and become enlightened. |
| 00:38.04 | Danar | and not have it mountable as a regular usb drive? |
| 00:38.10 | candle | dondelelcaro: heheh ok :P |
| 00:38.11 | Wyzard | Guerin: I suppose, but it hasn't been a significant problem for me... and for getting thumbnails, it's faster than opening a mounted volume in a Nautilus window or whatever |
| 00:38.25 | Wyzard | Danar: dunno really... seems dumb to me |
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| 00:38.40 | candle | dondelelcaro: I wont argue with you, I am not an expert or qualified in this field! thats why I asked for a source and name of an otologist :) |
| 00:38.41 | cddesjar | what version of gnome is in testing right now? |
| 00:38.52 | dvs | 2.10 |
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| 00:39.14 | xcr | how do I see what ip-adresses computers connected to my hub have? |
| 00:39.15 | zparta2 | hey |
| 00:39.21 | cddesjar | is 2.12 in sid? |
| 00:39.21 | xcr | if there is some way.. |
| 00:39.27 | Wyzard | cddesjar: Not yet |
| 00:39.39 | cj | xcr: did you provide all of the IP addresses via dhcp? |
| 00:39.42 | dondelelcaro | candle: and indeed, in most cases, you're not talking about nerve damage perse, but actual physical damage to the receptors on the cells themselves; an otologist really isn't the best person to be looking for in this case anyway; far better to be asking for a reference to a journal article about it. |
| 00:39.47 | Wyzard | cddesjar: I know GTK 2.8 is in experimental... GNOME 2.12 might be too, I dunno |
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| 00:39.48 | zparta2 | when i try to run ./configure for darkice it says that it cant find jack what do i need to install to get it to work ? |
| 00:40.00 | candle | dondelelcaro: ok , thanks |
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| 00:40.06 | yoo | i can't find msp3400 module |
| 00:40.11 | yoo | where is it ? |
| 00:40.18 | dondelelcaro | (since the otologist generally doesn't really study the area; they just treat it.) |
| 00:40.19 | yoo | in the kernel |
| 00:40.20 | jimjam | Where can i put a few lines that i want to run on startup? |
| 00:40.23 | cj | xcr: you can also try to ping -b 255.255.255.255 |
| 00:40.23 | zparta2 | or if it is possible to apt-get darkice with lame support |
| 00:40.47 | xcr | cj: my isp provides ips to all computers connected to my hub. |
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| 00:40.57 | candle | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 00:41.04 | cj | xcr: hmm... the broadcast ping is your best bet |
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| 00:41.46 | xcr | cj: hmm.. getting about 1000 ip adresses that way ;P |
| 00:41.47 | Guerin | zparta2: apt-cache search jack dev |
| 00:41.57 | cj | xcr: I bet yours are the ones with the lowest ping times :) |
| 00:42.05 | Danar | arg, oggdec will only encode to the same directory... that suchs |
| 00:42.07 | Danar | *sucks |
| 00:42.08 | Tortel | whats a good sound server?? |
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| 00:42.11 | Guerin | zparta2: there are no mp3 encoders in debian, due to fraunhofer patents |
| 00:42.12 | candle | dondelelcaro: is tripwire good to use to check system for any changes? |
| 00:42.18 | Guerin | Tortel: no such thing. |
| 00:42.19 | Danar | you should be able to specify the output dir |
| 00:42.23 | xcr | cj: hehe :) |
| 00:42.23 | Tortel | :o |
| 00:42.26 | cio | What's the kernel option to hide the kernel boot messages? |
| 00:42.26 | litage | what does "ENOENT" mean within strace output? |
| 00:42.35 | Guerin | litage: doesn't exist |
| 00:42.39 | litage | thanks |
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| 00:42.43 | Danar | i don't have enough space, so it fails :( |
| 00:42.43 | Guerin | litage: "file opr directory not found" |
| 00:42.48 | Tortel | whats a sound server other than JACK? |
| 00:42.55 | servus | alsa, oss. |
| 00:42.56 | Guerin | Tortel: esd, arts. |
| 00:43.04 | Guerin | neither oss nor alsa are sound servers |
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| 00:43.13 | servus | Well I don't have a soundcard. So sue me. |
| 00:43.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:43.23 | Inaki | okay I'm stumped on building a new kernel for a fresh install on my machine.. I install kernel-source-2.6.8, kernel-package, and try and run make menuconfig once I've extracted the source tree, and it dies o_o |
| 00:43.30 | candle | servus: lol |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | Inaki: dies how |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:43.38 | servus | Inaki: Did you run make oldconfig first? |
| 00:43.38 | Guerin | !wayc Inaki |
| 00:43.39 | dpkg | Inaki: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:43.45 | zparta2 | Guerin: well i have found a lame deb package |
| 00:43.55 | servus | Not the dev files thuogh, zparta2 |
| 00:43.56 | Wyzard | Inaki: Are you aware that you rarely *need* to compile a custom kernel? |
| 00:44.01 | candle | Inaki: is your current kernel broken? if not, why fix something thats not broken? |
| 00:44.06 | Guerin | Inaki: and further to that, why are you compiling a kernelt that's four versions behind date? |
| 00:44.09 | Wyzard | Inaki: (Do it if you want to, of course, but don't think that it's a necessity) |
| 00:44.17 | abrotman | Guerin: using debina sources |
| 00:44.36 | Wyzard | Guerin: because it's the latest vesion packaged in sarge? |
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| 00:44.59 | Guerin | azparta2: liblame-dev s available from the same place you got lame from |
| 00:45.02 | Inaki | okay.. my ultimate goal is to get X running, which requires the nvidia drivers to compile, which are complaining that my compiler and the compiler used for my kernel are different |
| 00:45.03 | cj | anyone know why the modules listed in my initrd's /loadmodules file aren't getting loaded? |
| 00:45.18 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:45.18 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 00:45.21 | Wyzard | Inaki: That's most likely harmless |
| 00:45.27 | Guerin | Wyzard: if he's building his own kernel, he should be building the newest one which will work. |
| 00:45.27 | servus | But not the dev. http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable/ has a liblame-dev DPKG |
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| 00:45.41 | Wyzard | Inaki: Almost certainly harmless, in fact, unless the versions involved are very different |
| 00:45.42 | Guerin | Inaki: you don't need nvidia drivers to get x running |
| 00:45.47 | carrett | how do i stop udev from starting before modules in /etc/modules are loaded (other than removing it completely from the startup process)? |
| 00:45.47 | Danar | Inaki, would it not be simpler to just get the right compiler version then? |
| 00:46.04 | Guerin | just do the oneliner |
| 00:46.05 | Wyzard | carrett: What benefit would that bring? |
| 00:46.06 | Guerin | it works |
| 00:46.11 | Guerin | really, it does |
| 00:46.13 | Inaki | okay I'll try the oneliner |
| 00:46.43 | jimjam | can i create my own file in /etc/init.d ? |
| 00:46.45 | carrett | Wyzard: well, i just rebooted after issuing update-rc.d -f udev remove with "nvidia" in /etc/modules and the /dev/nvidia* devices FINALLY loaded correctly. so my suspicion is that udev is starting before the modules are loaded and screwing things up. |
| 00:46.50 | Guerin | jimjam: i don't know, can you? |
| 00:46.54 | dvs | jimjam: yup |
| 00:47.02 | jimjam | well i CAN but will it run it on startup |
| 00:47.09 | Guerin | jimjam: if you do it right. |
| 00:47.15 | Wyzard | carrett: If I understood correctly, you never had a problem with loading the modules |
| 00:47.17 | carrett | because if udev is running and you modprobe nvidia the devices don't show up...for me anyway |
| 00:47.18 | dvs | jimjam: man update-rc.d |
| 00:47.30 | Guerin | jimjam: read /etc/init.d/README and skeleton |
| 00:47.30 | Wyzard | carrett: You had a problem with udev not creating files in /dev *after* the modules were loaded |
| 00:47.32 | carrett | Wyzard: i didn't, but the devices didn't show up if i modprobe after udev has started. |
| 00:47.47 | carrett | Wyzard: yeah, if udev is running and i modprobe, the devices don't show up. |
| 00:47.57 | carrett | Wyzard: if i modprobe without udev, the devices show up fine. |
| 00:48.28 | Wyzard | carrett: That's because without udev, you're looking at a static (on-disk) /dev, and the nvidia files were put there previously when you installed the package |
| 00:48.52 | Wyzard | carrett: When udev loads, it'll mount an empty tmpfs over that, and populate it based on the hardware actually present in the system |
| 00:48.53 | fersfeir | Hi, good nigths, something know a caller-id to Debian SID? |
| 00:49.12 | Wyzard | carrett: so you still need udev to recognize the nvidia module |
| 00:49.13 | carrett | Wyzard: except that it isn't creating the /dev/nvidia* devices. |
| 00:49.23 | carrett | Wyzard: right...and how do i do that? |
| 00:49.37 | carrett | Wyzard: it wasn't in that howto you sent me to...i looked real hard. |
| 00:49.48 | carrett | Wyzard: it just said to put nvidia in /etc/modules. |
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| 00:51.48 | Inaki | from the oneliner, I'm getting popups that say "Warning, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!" for module-assistant |
| 00:52.13 | servus | I won't say it anymore: `make oldconfig` |
| 00:52.24 | thingfish | Inaki: try again. it'll work. |
| 00:52.32 | xcr | someone knows how to use nmap? trying to scan my server (running debian, no fw installed at all) using: nmap -sT <ip> P0, but it doesn't work. |
| 00:52.37 | xcr | what is wrong? |
| 00:52.47 | xcr | it *should* work, I know it. |
| 00:52.53 | Inaki | oh it seems to be working, I'm just wondering if these messages will hinder down the road.. if it does, I'll run make oldconfig |
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| 00:53.12 | thingfish | Inaki: they're harmless. once it builds, you're fine. |
| 00:53.15 | servus | nmap -sT 127.0.0.1 P0 works for me. |
| 00:53.21 | Inaki | it appears to have built |
| 00:53.30 | carrett | Wyzard: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317639...seems to have been a udev bug before... but they claimed to have fixed it? maybe it's messed up again? |
| 00:53.32 | servus | xcr: If you are using your external address, and you are behind a NAT, are you sure that your external address routes back to your machine? |
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| 00:53.46 | Danar | using "cp -r -l . /path" i get "cp: cannot create link `file': Invalid cross-device link" |
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| 00:54.05 | Guerin | Danar: you can't symlink across filesystems |
| 00:54.18 | caphuso | Danar: so don't attempt to hardlink across devices |
| 00:54.18 | Danar | Guerin, :( |
| 00:54.26 | caphuso | Guerin: you can |
| 00:54.43 | Danar | same device, different partition |
| 00:54.46 | Guerin | caphuso: oh, right |
| 00:54.53 | Guerin | you can symlink, not hardlink |
| 00:54.53 | xcr | servus: dont know exacly what you are talking about, I get a ip from my ISP and try to nmap my server who have another ISP. |
| 00:55.06 | Danar | k |
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| 00:55.13 | xcr | servus: can I look it up somehow? |
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| 00:56.06 | Wyzard | carrett: That BTS entry says in what version the problem was supposedly fixed... you could look in the changelog for that version and maybe find out what actually changed |
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| 00:56.15 | Danar | using cp -r -s . /path" i get "cp: cannot create link `file': can make relative symbolic links only in current directory" |
| 00:56.26 | Inaki | gah.. I'm still getting the "no screens" error when trying to run startx |
| 00:56.28 | xXJENNXx | JOIN #JENN PLEASE!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:56.35 | Guerin | xXJENNXx: FUCK OFF PLEASE |
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| 00:56.42 | cj | OMG!!! |
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| 00:56.49 | servus | That was my wife :( |
| 00:56.51 | thingfish | Inaki: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:56.56 | cj | servus: no, that was my ex wife |
| 00:56.58 | dvs | !beer servus |
| 00:57.04 | dvs | for your sorrows. |
| 00:57.06 | servus | eBeer. |
| 00:57.09 | Inaki | thingfish: ran that, still no luck |
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| 00:57.25 | servus | xcr: Hm. Well, nmap *is* awfully slow. |
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| 00:57.40 | xcr | servus: it looks to be that you said.. I can nmap my computer from my server, but not from this machine to the server, can I make it work somehow? |
| 00:57.42 | servus | However you probably want -P0 instead of P0 |
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| 00:59.18 | servus | Try doing `nmap -p 80 yourserver.com -P0` (or instead of 80, whatever port you know is open) to see if it's working. If so, then just let the full scan run for the five zillion hours that nmap takes? |
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| 00:59.49 | Charbal | Perhaps I don't understand the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade fully in aptitude... why woud aptitude upgrade offer to upgrade packages that aptitude dist-upgrade holds back? |
| 00:59.52 | ClamIAm | is there a way I can back my packages down to stable? |
| 00:59.57 | Danar | how can i make links to another partition? |
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| 01:00.15 | Danar | using "cp -r -s . /path" i get "cp: cannot create link `file': can make relative symbolic links only in current directory" |
| 01:00.18 | Wyzard | ClamIAm: No, there's no way to downgrade from testing/unstable to stable, short of a full reinstall |
| 01:00.26 | ClamIAm | >_< |
| 01:00.51 | mtnman | charbal: man aptitude has the answer to that, and many other mysteries.... |
| 01:00.51 | Danar | Wyzard, unless you're willing to wait a long, long time |
| 01:00.53 | ClamIAm | I didn't set the default version, so i ended up upgrade some of them... |
| 01:00.59 | caphuso | Danar: try something along the lines of cd /path; cp -r -s /what/you/want/to/link . |
| 01:01.07 | Charbal | Danar: Why not use mount --bind? |
| 01:01.18 | Wyzard | ClamIAm: Always look at the set of changes apt says it's going to make before you tell it to go ahead... |
| 01:01.31 | Charbal | mtnman: Looked there, couldn't ascertain the answer. |
| 01:01.37 | servus | Otherwise apt-get install kedit will uninstall Apache. |
| 01:01.56 | servus | Or apt-get install gaim will uninstall your e2fs file system drivers. |
| 01:02.03 | mtnman | charbal: try /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 01:02.32 | Danar | caphuso, now it says operation not permitted |
| 01:05.13 | caphuso | Danar: you don't have write access in /path? |
| 01:05.23 | Danar | caphuso, yes.. |
| 01:05.54 | mtnman | charbal: okay, i didn't see any explanation in the aptitude docs. the difference is that "upgrade" will only upgrade to newer versions of packages which are already installed. dist-upgrade will also install additional packages, if the newer versions of already-installed packages require new dependencies. |
| 01:06.08 | Danar | caphuso, oh, oops... it's vfat :/ |
| 01:06.24 | caphuso | which doesn't support symlinks |
| 01:06.32 | Wyzard | mtnman: and also remove packages due to new conflicts |
| 01:06.34 | Danar | unfortunately |
| 01:06.43 | mtnman | wyzard: yes |
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| 01:07.18 | mtnman | wyzard: i thought my explanation was getting to long-winded to describe every difference... |
| 01:07.35 | mtnman | *too |
| 01:07.40 | litage | when/how often is /tmp/ emptied of contents? |
| 01:08.09 | caphuso | litage: reboot |
| 01:08.12 | mtnman | litage: well, at least at shutdown/reboot |
| 01:08.32 | Danar | and if you don't reboot for a year? |
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| 01:08.54 | Charbal | mtnman: I know that. |
| 01:08.55 | caphuso | then you setup a /tmp reaper |
| 01:09.13 | mtnman | charbal: then i don't understand what you were trying to ask. |
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| 01:09.19 | Charbal | mtnman: Reread my question... aptitude upgrade _is_ offering to upgrade things that aptitude dist-upgrade is holding back |
| 01:09.37 | mik3 | hi i installed a windows application under wine and i need to load a script for it, i would originally save this script to c:/jmc/settings but what would the debian directory be? |
| 01:09.42 | tvn | I want to have a custom built computer but I have no experience and time to build one, I am considering to buy such custom one from store like Monarch computer , anyone can suggest some other stores as Monarch ? |
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| 01:09.57 | mtnman | charbal: such as... ? |
| 01:10.06 | Wyzard | mik3: Whatever directory you have mapped to be C:\ in your wine config... |
| 01:10.06 | Charbal | Note: apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade both offer to upgrade the packages so it seems specific to aptitude... |
| 01:10.19 | mik3 | ok Wyzard thanks |
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| 01:16.22 | stew | Charbal: and if you just wanna move on and not figure out why, then "apt-get install pkgname" should upgrade no matter what, if its possible |
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| 01:16.45 | stew | ^apt-get^aptitude ; whatever |
| 01:17.21 | Charbal | stew: That lists install for all the packages. I know I could get over it... it just strikes me as curious and I was wondering what might be causing it. |
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| 01:18.08 | stew | Charbal: just to make totally sure, upgrade wants to install them and dist-upgrade doesn't? |
| 01:18.40 | Charbal | aptitude upgrade wants to upgrade 4 of them, holds back 2, aptitude dist-upgrade wants to upgrade none of them |
| 01:18.49 | gloin | hey |
| 01:18.56 | gloin | on the topic of held back packages |
| 01:19.08 | gloin | I've got a couple of ldap packages that have been stuck in heldback for months |
| 01:19.10 | Charbal | Both apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade want to upgrade 4 and hold back 2. |
| 01:19.13 | gloin | how do I unstick them? |
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| 01:19.35 | stew | gloin: apt-get install pkgname |
| 01:19.38 | Danar | sudo apt-get install libc6/testing |
| 01:19.38 | Danar | [...] |
| 01:19.38 | Danar | Selected version 2.3.5-6 (Debian:unstable) for libc6 |
| 01:19.38 | Danar | libc6 is already the newest version. |
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| 01:19.44 | gloin | stew: thx |
| 01:19.47 | gloin | heh |
| 01:19.52 | gloin | debhelper: that was not helpful |
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| 01:19.58 | Danar | :/ |
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| 01:20.06 | stew | Charbal: i'd be tempted to file a bug on aptitude |
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| 01:20.24 | duch | hi |
| 01:20.39 | mtnman | stew: i would check the bts before filing any bug. |
| 01:20.55 | Danar | why would it select unstable when i specified testing? |
| 01:21.03 | stew | mtnman: of course. thats part of the reportbug process |
| 01:21.51 | mtnman | srew: so if you recommend filing a bug, i would recommend that you first suggest checking the bts (which i was about to suggest to charbal) |
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| 01:22.30 | tummyacid | can anyone recomend a good program for recording my band to .wav format? i just use the mic input |
| 01:22.57 | caphuso | tummyacid: rec |
| 01:23.16 | Charbal | Checking now... if it's not there, I'll report it and try to dig a little bit into aptitude and see if I can find the issue. |
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| 01:23.32 | Segers_J | tummyacid: I like audacity. |
| 01:23.40 | mtnman | charbal: good work |
| 01:23.46 | Inaki | my audiophile tendancies cringe at doing band recordings using the mic in on a soundcard =P |
| 01:23.59 | Danar | i just upgraded synaptic, and now it segfaults (already in bts). apt-get says it has an unmet dependancy (libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3) which is already installed... wtf? |
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| 01:24.07 | tummyacid | i know i know |
| 01:24.13 | tummyacid | but the alternative is a tape recorder |
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| 01:24.30 | stew | holy crap there are a lot of bugs open on aptitude |
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| 01:24.37 | tummyacid | at least this way we all get a copy of the practice to listen to right after we are done |
| 01:24.39 | Inaki | hopefully you have a good mic at least? =] |
| 01:24.46 | trollboy | what's the wizard to reconfigure X? |
| 01:24.49 | stew | tummyacid: audacity |
| 01:24.49 | tummyacid | yes fender mic sounds very nice |
| 01:24.50 | paco | can someone tell me the address to download the latest sarge release? |
| 01:24.53 | abrotman | !drxx trollboy |
| 01:24.55 | dpkg | trollboy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 01:24.59 | caphuso | Inaki: doesn't matter. with a single microphone it's going to sound like crap no matter how good the mic is |
| 01:25.00 | abrotman | !d-i pack |
| 01:25.01 | dpkg | pack, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | !d-i paco |
| 01:25.03 | dpkg | paco, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:25.11 | Inaki | caphuso: true |
| 01:25.17 | abrotman | !phillysmite Inaki |
| 01:25.21 | Inaki | though for a practice session, it'll work =D |
| 01:25.25 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 01:25.35 | thingfish | smited with a live-8 concert |
| 01:25.38 | junix | when is gnome supposed to fixed? |
| 01:25.39 | thingfish | that's great |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | better than the river water |
| 01:25.46 | abrotman | !phillysmite thingfish |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | ack! |
| 01:25.51 | thingfish | aack |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | it's busticated! |
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| 01:26.07 | abrotman | junix: fixed what where ? |
| 01:26.09 | abrotman | mine works fine |
| 01:26.10 | candle | whats the key combo to minimise all windows? |
| 01:26.17 | abrotman | click click click |
| 01:26.29 | Inaki | lol |
| 01:26.30 | caphuso | candle: you're still asking that stupid question? |
| 01:26.38 | Danar | apt-get says synaptic has an unmet dependancy (libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3) which it says is already installed... wtf? |
| 01:26.43 | tummyacid | thank you a million audicity fits my needs perfectly |
| 01:26.52 | caphuso | candle: how the hell would anyone be able to answer it without knowing what window manager/key grabber you use? |
| 01:26.54 | tummyacid | you guys are always %99.9 helpful |
| 01:26.58 | junix | abrotman: i can't install it from unstable apt-get |
| 01:27.09 | candle | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 01:27.16 | abrotman | junix: maybe cause 2.12 is coming in? ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | candle: yeah ... click a lot |
| 01:27.41 | tummyacid | catch ya later |
| 01:27.45 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel sid |
| 01:27.48 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 363 kB, Installed size: 860 kB |
| 01:27.59 | candle | abrotman: you are usually helpful |
| 01:28.01 | candle | where can I edit key combos? |
| 01:28.16 | caphuso | candle: key combos for *WHAT*? |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | candle: it depends on many things .. not the least of which is your window manager/desktop environment |
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| 01:28.27 | candle | abrotman: ok |
| 01:28.30 | jmd | What package provides dh_make ? |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | candle: you're being unusually vague |
| 01:28.35 | caphuso | jmd: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | !tell jmd about search |
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| 01:28.58 | candle | abrotman: I wanted to press alt+M and have that key combo minize all open windows |
| 01:29.09 | abrotman | candle: i'm gonna smack you with details |
| 01:29.22 | candle | abrotman: you know I like it when you smack me :) |
| 01:29.48 | Danar | "Note, selecting apt instead of libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3" ?? |
| 01:29.52 | psychonate | Anyone use idesk? |
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| 01:29.52 | talisein_ | What's the best way to make a RAID 1 w/ LVM2 in EVMS? |
| 01:30.05 | caphuso | abrotman: i think candle is ignoring me... can you tell him that i'm going to +q him if he doesn't stop playing stupid? |
| 01:30.06 | psychonate | I can't get the width/height options to work on the icons. |
| 01:30.09 | abrotman | candle: stop being vague :) |
| 01:30.11 | Segers_J | candle: What window manager are you using? icewm? gnustep? KDE? Gnome? |
| 01:30.18 | abrotman | candle: did you see caphuso? |
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| 01:30.29 | candle | Segers_J: Kde |
| 01:30.31 | abrotman | candle: did you see caphuso? |
| 01:30.40 | psychonate | or can anyone recommend another application for icons? |
| 01:30.56 | abrotman | candle: ask #kde or #debian-kde |
| 01:31.00 | candle | abrotman: caphuso? no, dont see anyone with nick caphuso |
| 01:31.04 | candle | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 01:31.26 | abrotman | candle: why would you ignore caphuso ? |
| 01:31.35 | caphuso | abrotman: suicidal tendencies |
| 01:31.39 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:32.23 | candle | abrotman: I placed him on ignore ages ago, because imho, he was a rude and arrogant boy |
| 01:32.24 | jmd | What is a cdbs package? |
| 01:32.28 | fbi | what's the point of minimizing all open windows when you can have like 30 separate desktops open in kde |
| 01:32.30 | Fixion | anyone have any idea what could cause a serial port to work one day (cat /dev/ttyS0 actually returns stuff) and not the next? |
| 01:32.43 | abrotman | candle: and now you're being ignorant and prickish .. |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | and vauge |
| 01:32.47 | abrotman | vague! |
| 01:32.56 | candle | abrotman: welcome to my ignore list again :) |
| 01:33.02 | caphuso | good idea. ignore those people that give you last warnings :) |
| 01:33.02 | abrotman | candle: i'm crushed |
| 01:33.05 | jmd | Fixion, because it's developed a fault ? |
| 01:33.15 | Guerin | it's ok |
| 01:33.23 | abrotman | caphuso: oh .. it's LightVision .. who i thought was eutopia .. who was banned ages ago |
| 01:33.30 | dondelelcaro | jmd: a package that uses cdbs |
| 01:33.34 | Guerin | people who are stupid enough to ignore people with clue soon find themseves in the informational desert |
| 01:33.35 | Fixion | jmd: any way I can check to make sure? |
| 01:33.36 | dondelelcaro | jmd: apt-cache show cdbs |
| 01:33.46 | Guerin | oh ... it's lightvision |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | caphuso: but noone believes me .. i think it's because i'm american :) |
| 01:33.53 | Guerin | no surprises there |
| 01:33.53 | jdhutchin1 | Fixion, probably a variety of things, have you changed any settings on it? |
| 01:34.10 | caphuso | abrotman: ah, indeed |
| 01:34.20 | abrotman | Guerin: she then /msg 'ed me to tell me i was ignored for a year! .. the horror! |
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| 01:34.45 | abrotman | caphuso: i didn't really follow it up and get IPs etc .. but it was the same Ident and same ISP |
| 01:34.49 | jmd | Fixion, try man setserial and check your boot messages to see if anything is funny. |
| 01:34.51 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah, I got that several times too ... for daying such mean things as 'man interfaces' and 'read /boot/grub/menu.lst' |
| 01:35.01 | abrotman | caphuso: and same actions/activities |
| 01:35.02 | fbi | i just took 2k server and moved it to hdc, and installed sarge on hda. the d-i saw windows and put it in the grub menu, but grub hangs on 'chainloader +1' when i try and boot |
| 01:35.05 | fbi | any ideas why? |
| 01:35.25 | fbi | sarge boots fine |
| 01:35.38 | abrotman | fbi: i'm not a win32 expert .. but probably because you moved it :) |
| 01:35.48 | abrotman | just a hunch though |
| 01:35.58 | fbi | erm, i moved the entire disk to the secondary ide |
| 01:36.04 | abrotman | did you tell windows that? |
| 01:36.10 | fbi | then installed sarge on a brand new disk on hda |
| 01:36.20 | fbi | ah i see what you mean |
| 01:36.23 | abrotman | fbi: did you boot windows *after* you moved it ? |
| 01:36.30 | fbi | no, i didn't |
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| 01:37.00 | fbi | am i screwed or what? |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | fbi: wanna try that? :) |
| 01:37.03 | amphi | fbi: you may have to use map to trick windows into thinking it's on hda |
| 01:37.12 | CasaNova_ | I've removed and run a pruge (from the wiki) but I still have modules folders in /lib/modules/ from kerneels I no onger have installed. Did I miss a step or is this by design (reference to doc is fine also thanks) |
| 01:37.15 | fbi | i should just wipe it and make a new ext3 anyway |
| 01:37.17 | amphi | fbi: the info pages for grub explain it |
| 01:37.20 | simonp | hi. is there a way to compile a kernel module package without recompiling the kernel? |
| 01:37.34 | Fixion_ | so are there any serial settins that a reboot wouldn't change back to default? |
| 01:37.45 | abrotman | Guerin: and notice .. as soon as eutopia is mentioned .. she disappears .. *again* |
| 01:38.03 | caphuso | simonp: if you mean modules not part of kernel itself, then yes, sure |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | Guerin: and still msg'ing me! .. hehe |
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| 01:38.46 | abrotman | hehe .. what a sad wanker |
| 01:39.07 | Danar | how do you change your preferred version for apt? in synaptic it was under the prefs |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | !tell Danar about pinning |
| 01:39.23 | MickMcMack | Hmmz. |
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| 01:39.34 | Danar | abrotman, thx |
| 01:39.35 | CasaNova_ | I guess the simpler question is - is it safe to delete /lib/modules/<modules for kernel no longer installed>? and the corollary is why do they not get removed when the kernel versio is removed?(all debs - no self rolled kernels) |
| 01:39.36 | magyar | how do i reconfigure the clock not to use utc? |
| 01:39.41 | simonp | caphuso, exactly! how to do that? i'm used to make-kpkg --added-modules to build modules _and_ kernel. |
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| 01:39.43 | caphuso | magyar: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 01:39.48 | abrotman | tzconfig or dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 01:39.53 | caphuso | simonp: just don't build the kernel |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | !tell cddesjar about root |
| 01:40.00 | magyar | thank you |
| 01:40.07 | simonp | caphuso, so obvious! :P |
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| 01:40.33 | caphuso | damn... stupid wc |
| 01:40.40 | abrotman | word count ? |
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| 01:40.50 | simonp | caphuso, so i just put "--added-modules=xxx modules_image"? |
| 01:40.51 | stew | simonp: what modules are you compiling? |
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| 01:41.01 | simonp | stew, ATI's |
| 01:41.04 | caphuso | wc -c counts bytes, not characters |
| 01:41.17 | abrotman | not in UTF ? |
| 01:41.20 | simonp | stew, ATI's drivers with the debian specific package i just made |
| 01:41.22 | stew | simonp: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 01:41.27 | CasaNova_ | Double Byte characters ? |
| 01:41.30 | abrotman | caphuso: -m ? |
| 01:41.34 | simonp | stew, thanks |
| 01:41.36 | caphuso | abrotman: yeah, how obvious |
| 01:41.43 | abrotman | caphuso: yeah .. not good |
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| 01:41.54 | caphuso | this means years of wc knowledge of mine need readjustment |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | though .. Megabytes .. maybe |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | cddesjar: better! :) |
| 01:42.02 | cddesjar | can someone tell me how i can get a list of the official repositories |
| 01:42.03 | cddesjar | sorry |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | caphuso: or you need to go back to a 1byte char encoding :) |
| 01:42.09 | cddesjar | i just reinstalled debian |
| 01:42.13 | abrotman | cddesjar: apt-setup |
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| 01:42.19 | cddesjar | and i was tweaking with x |
| 01:42.19 | simonp | stew, i already read that, but you need to rebuild the kernel to do that. |
| 01:42.25 | hejux | hi i can not see room #gentoo on the /list ,where is it ? |
| 01:42.28 | cddesjar | and forget to switch to regular user |
| 01:42.39 | simonp | hejux, just /join #gentoo |
| 01:42.39 | abrotman | hejux: /j #gentoo |
| 01:42.49 | caphuso | abrotman: i am still using iso-8859-15 for day to day use |
| 01:43.02 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:43.05 | hejux | thanks |
| 01:43.12 | abrotman | what's the mode that says only registered people can join ? |
| 01:43.15 | caphuso | was testing out what implications running zsh in an utf-8 environment has |
| 01:43.20 | magyar | caphuso, after i make the change to /etc/default/rcS , what do i need to reload to take effect? |
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| 01:43.34 | caphuso | magyar: nothing, it gets only used at boot time |
| 01:43.37 | stew | simonp: i don't see where he is compiling the kernel there |
| 01:43.53 | caphuso | and shutdown |
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| 01:44.45 | magyar | caphuso, I could never understand this UTC, its always shows some wierd time |
| 01:45.26 | caphuso | magyar: install ntpdate and ntp-simple |
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| 01:45.37 | stew | magyar: do you dual boot with windows? |
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| 01:46.13 | magyar | stew: yeah |
| 01:46.14 | kingtux | where do i stick gdm splash screen file?? |
| 01:46.26 | cddesjar | what are the directories? main, nonfree, and restricted? |
| 01:46.28 | cddesjar | i forget |
| 01:46.31 | caphuso | contrib |
| 01:46.37 | cddesjar | contrib that's it |
| 01:46.39 | cddesjar | thanks |
| 01:46.49 | caphuso | also non-free |
| 01:46.58 | stew | magyar: last time i did that, it seemed that windows was insisting on local time, so set UTC=no . install ntp-simple as well and that should keep your clock in sync while in linux |
| 01:47.06 | Fixion_ | anyone know why "cat /dev/ttyS0" wouldn't return anything even though there is data going to that serial port? |
| 01:47.16 | Fixion_ | *this is as root |
| 01:47.31 | Segers_J | Fixion: turned off in BIOS maybe? |
| 01:47.40 | kingtux | anyone?? |
| 01:47.51 | Fixion_ | Segers_J: it was working sunday night, and I didn't touch any bios settings |
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| 01:47.57 | cddesjar | isn't it nonfree |
| 01:48.00 | cddesjar | or is it non-free |
| 01:48.02 | caphuso | cddesjar: no |
| 01:48.04 | magyar | stew, got it, thank you |
| 01:48.06 | caphuso | cddesjar: yes |
| 01:48.10 | cddesjar | the latter? |
| 01:48.16 | caphuso | cddesjar: yes |
| 01:48.46 | cddesjar | that explains the problems! |
| 01:48.52 | Fixion_ | its like my serial port is ignoring everything sent its way |
| 01:49.17 | cddesjar | i want to do apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade to go from stable to testing |
| 01:49.34 | cddesjar | it's been a bit since i've had to do this |
| 01:49.47 | cddesjar | nevermind |
| 01:49.52 | cddesjar | i msg dpkg |
| 01:50.57 | CasaNova_ | Is it Ok to delete /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686 is I;ve already removed the kernel image via apt-get (and why is it not removed when I do?) |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | !tell cddesjar about sarge->etch |
| 01:51.16 | Segers_J | kingtux: try running gdmsetup (as root) |
| 01:51.21 | caphuso | CasaNova_: because there's still files in it |
| 01:51.29 | kingtux | ok |
| 01:51.32 | simonp | stew, ah, my bad. i saw that he needed the kernel-sources and concluded too quickly. Some modules (eg. pwc) can be compiled without kernel sources, just kernel headers... |
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| 01:51.59 | CasaNova_ | caphuso: I thought the purge woudl do that - But it's safe to delete I reckon... |
| 01:52.08 | caphuso | CasaNova_: sure |
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| 01:52.29 | cddesjar | just upgrading from sarge to etch right now will put xorg on my computer and remove xfree86 right? |
| 01:52.33 | kingtux | thats for login screen i'm talking about splash screen when u login |
| 01:52.38 | CasaNova_ | caphuso : Oh I do recall that /etc/vmwre could not be removed when I ran purge since there were files, I didn't see /lib/modules so assumed it was jsut ignored - makes sense |
| 01:52.49 | magyar | is there a way to prevent anyone to login from the console of a system? |
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| 01:53.07 | caphuso | magyar: several. but why? |
| 01:53.19 | nailbiter | cddesjar: Actually, it won't. :) You need to explicitly install xserver-xorg. |
| 01:53.23 | Elly | chmod -rwx /bin/sh :D |
| 01:53.25 | CasaNova_ | cddesjar: A few days ago you had to choose xorg I think you can /msg dspkg xorg |
| 01:53.26 | Elly | that'll stop 'em |
| 01:53.37 | cddesjar | ok |
| 01:53.38 | Segers_J | kingtux: oh, dunno then, check the man pages for your WM, or ask in the channel for your WM. |
| 01:53.41 | hejux | hi all ,maybe its not right question here ,but anyone could tell me .,which OS can be the best to build a server such as http ftp mail etc ? |
| 01:53.42 | caphuso | Elly: it's a symlink, its permissions are ignored |
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| 01:53.44 | cddesjar | i figured that much |
| 01:53.54 | nailbiter | magyar: You want to stop people from dropping into single-user mode and getting a root shell? |
| 01:53.55 | eskiled_ | can someone help me activate APT::Force-LoopBreak option? |
| 01:54.01 | caphuso | hejux: windows server 2003 |
| 01:54.06 | magyar | caphuso, i need to be able to login only trough ssh |
| 01:54.08 | hejux | "O |
| 01:54.12 | hejux | :O |
| 01:54.18 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.19 | magyar | nailbiter, yeap |
| 01:54.25 | JoshH | caphuso: indeed, did you see the latest testiminials on microsoft.com/getthefacts? |
| 01:54.26 | CasaNova_ | hejux : NO Windows NT or 3.11 but make sure it's for workgroups! |
| 01:54.28 | JoshH | very interesting |
| 01:54.30 | CasaNova_ | hehe |
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| 01:54.40 | caphuso | hejux: you're in a friggin' debian channel. what the hell do you think people will recommend? |
| 01:54.51 | psychonate | my moses |
| 01:54.57 | nailbiter | magyar: In that case, to be really secure, you have to fix up your bootloader with a password prompt. :) Otherwise, someone in the know can add a 'init=/bin/bash' to boot into a root shell |
| 01:55.02 | psychonate | the version of idesk in testing is surprisingly rather old |
| 01:55.21 | eskiled_helpplz | does anyone know anything about how to activate the APT::Force-loopbreak option in debian sarge? |
| 01:55.31 | stew | CasaNova_: 3.11 was not nt and it was always for workgroups (as opposed to 3.1) |
| 01:55.52 | caphuso | eskiled_helpplz: man apt.conf, man apt-get, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf |
| 01:55.55 | hejux | caphuso: i know ,so i need true anwsers |
| 01:56.09 | CasaNova_ | stew: Yes stew thanks (Was going more for humor than reality -- shessh technical folk:-) |
| 01:56.36 | caphuso | hejux: go away. this is #debian, not #imtoolazytodomyownsoftwareevaluation |
| 01:56.56 | eskiled_helpplz | thankyou caphuso |
| 01:56.58 | CasaNova_ | caphuso: I could never have typed that that well.. |
| 01:57.10 | psychonate | Would it be possible/practical for me to use the deb from the unstable branch in my testing install (the deb for idesk)? |
| 01:57.25 | caphuso | psychonate: depends on its dependancies |
| 01:57.27 | hejux | :f |
| 01:57.32 | nailbiter | eskiled_helpplz: You'd have to put something like -- APT { Force-LoopBreak"true"; } -- in your apt.conf file. But I really don't think it's a good idea |
| 01:57.44 | caphuso | nailbiter: you can specify it on the apt-get command line too |
| 01:58.07 | psychonate | ah, looks like it has quite a few deps |
| 01:58.09 | psychonate | poop |
| 01:58.13 | eskiled_helpplz | but it won't let me download abiword until i remove (temporarily) 22fsprogs |
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| 01:58.19 | eskiled_helpplz | *e2fsprogs |
| 01:58.26 | nailbiter | caphuso: Ah, that's cool |
| 01:58.39 | eskiled_helpplz | thoughts? |
| 01:58.54 | caphuso | eskiled_helpplz: check the bug reports |
| 01:58.56 | nailbiter | eskiled_helpplz: That's very strange--no package should ask you to remove e2fsprogs. Could you paste the entire apt error into #flood? |
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| 01:59.00 | stew | eskiled_helpplz: /msg dpkg force loopbreak |
| 01:59.10 | CasaNova_ | hejux: Every #linuxdistributionchannel thinks its is the best |
| 01:59.17 | eskiled_helpplz | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 01:59.21 | CasaNova_ | some however know |
| 01:59.29 | psychonate | eskiled_helpplz, are you Anth by any chance heh? |
| 01:59.35 | eskiled_helpplz | no |
| 01:59.51 | eskiled | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 02:00.00 | eskiled | i am now though |
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| 02:00.32 | candle | stew: hello |
| 02:00.44 | eskiled | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 02:00.50 | eskiled | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 02:00.57 | eskiled | did you get that mailbiter? |
| 02:01.21 | stew | eskiled: /msg dpkg force loopbreak |
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| 02:02.14 | lewis | heya |
| 02:02.31 | nailbiter | eskiled: Try following stew's suggestion first (or "apt-get -f install" even). :) You might have a set of conflicting packages installed |
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| 02:02.40 | stew | !e2fsprogs |
| 02:02.40 | dpkg | methinks e2fsprogs is http://bugs.debian.org/325834 |
| 02:02.41 | lewis | i'm attempting to build myown kernel and for some reason the tools i used to use have been deprecated.. |
| 02:03.00 | lewis | what happened to xconfig? |
| 02:03.00 | stew | !your mother. e2fsprogs |
| 02:03.00 | dpkg | from memory, your mother. e2fsprogs is being lame. |
| 02:03.11 | stew | !forget your mother. e2fsprogs |
| 02:03.12 | dpkg | stew: i forgot your mother. e2fsprogs |
| 02:03.20 | lewis | i'm trying to download it apt-get xconfig... no dice? |
| 02:03.23 | thingfish | lewis: install libncurses5-dev |
| 02:03.27 | lewis | did that |
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| 02:03.32 | thingfish | oh |
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| 02:03.59 | thingfish | kernel-package? |
| 02:04.02 | lewis | when did debian go to xorg? |
| 02:04.05 | eskiled | apt-get -f install abiword gets same error |
| 02:04.06 | victor | spanish |
| 02:04.19 | lewis | ok i think i did that |
| 02:04.26 | lewis | tk8.4 |
| 02:04.28 | thingfish | xorg entered etch maybe a month ago. |
| 02:04.34 | jim | hasn't yet (officially) but it is happening in etch/sid |
| 02:04.36 | lewis | libc6-dev |
| 02:04.40 | lewis | aah |
| 02:05.03 | nailbiter | eskiled: No, run 'apt-get -f install' first (without any arguments) to have apt-get resolve any existing conflicts. |
| 02:05.12 | lewis | well i was amazed on my last install, by the way if you haven't installed a debian system recently(it's been 2 years for me now) |
| 02:05.13 | thingfish | or a little longer,,,it all blurs once you get old. |
| 02:05.21 | lewis | the install kicks ass |
| 02:05.34 | lewis | waaaay better |
| 02:05.37 | eskiled | oh well mailbiter is says stuff about installing kernel version that is the same as the one i am running, should i continue? |
| 02:05.52 | lewis | expert26 blew me away |
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| 02:06.05 | nailbiter | eskiled: Ah, ha. Looks like you previously quit halfway through installing a kernel package. :) |
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| 02:06.21 | eskiled | lol so.. what do i do please |
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| 02:06.35 | jim | can't talk as root in here... good thing, you shouldn't log in as root habitually anyway :) |
| 02:06.50 | eskiled | nevermind |
| 02:06.52 | eskiled | it finished |
| 02:06.59 | eskiled | and i ran apt-get -f isntall again andits done |
| 02:07.21 | eskiled | and apt-get install abiword gets same error :(... |
| 02:07.43 | jim | the reason it does that is the module directory is the same, and old modules could still be there |
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| 02:07.58 | ClamIAm | is gnome-desktop-environment a metapackage for gnome or something? |
| 02:08.20 | eskiled | further suggestions mailbiter? |
| 02:08.25 | thingfish | gnome is the metapackage for gnome. |
| 02:08.30 | Trebaum | ok, i'm trying to learn perl and I have the oreilly book online... when I goto install the latest perl it stops at the c-compiler saying that gcc isn't working, though I have it installed.... anyone got any suggestions? |
| 02:08.34 | nailbiter | eskiled: Ok. Try 'apt-get install abiword e2fsprogs'; it should then print out the package that they're conflicting over |
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| 02:08.52 | stew | eskiled: are you trying to upgrade from woody to etch or something? |
| 02:09.08 | stew | eskiled: what version does "dpkg -l initscripts" report? |
| 02:09.09 | thingfish | ClamIAm: do /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 02:09.41 | Segers_J | Trebaum: have you installed the build-essential package? |
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| 02:09.59 | eskiled | no mailbiter just same error |
| 02:10.00 | Segers_J | i think that's what it was. |
| 02:10.50 | eskiled | nailbiter it is still trying to remove e2fsprogs |
| 02:10.51 | doleyb | Trebaum: are you trying to install perl not from apt? |
| 02:11.03 | ClamIAm | thingfish, ah, thanks man |
| 02:11.08 | Trebaum | doleyb: yes |
| 02:11.12 | ClamIAm | reading the #faq helps :P |
| 02:11.18 | Trebaum | I downloaded it from perl's ftp |
| 02:11.22 | caphuso | Trebaum: that's a time proven recipe for disaster |
| 02:11.24 | nailbiter | eskiled: By the way--which version of Debian do you have installed? |
| 02:11.31 | eskiled | sarge |
| 02:11.43 | stew | eskiled: what version does "dpkg -l initscripts" report? |
| 02:12.00 | Trebaum | caphuso: but i don't know a lot about linux and i figured that doing it this way would teach me more |
| 02:12.03 | eskiled | 2.86.ds1-1 |
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| 02:12.51 | stew | eskiled: and you are trying to upgrade to etch? |
| 02:12.57 | caphuso | Trebaum: best case: you learn how to read an INSTALL file, not more. worst case: you learn how resurrect a severely broken debian installation |
| 02:13.33 | caphuso | and since you don't know anything about perl, it's going to be hard to fix perl |
| 02:13.44 | eskiled | stew: no i am trying to apt-get install abiword but it keeps asking me to temporarily remove e2fsprogs and activate APT:force-breakloop option |
| 02:13.45 | Segers_J | Trebaum: I think you'll be ok if you do it as a non-root user and put the custom perl in your $HOME, opinion caphuso ? |
| 02:13.55 | caphuso | Segers_J: yeah, but why? he already has perl installed |
| 02:14.03 | Trebaum | uuhh... |
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| 02:14.19 | Inaki | WOO |
| 02:14.20 | eskiled | this sucks. |
| 02:14.25 | Inaki | I got X to load finally =D |
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| 02:14.42 | eskiled | stew and nailbiter, suggestions eh? |
| 02:14.47 | nailbiter | eskiled: I don't really understand why it's doing this at all |
| 02:14.51 | Segers_J | caphuso: ok, thanks. (I agree btw) |
| 02:14.56 | eskiled | okay |
| 02:15.01 | eskiled | thanks anyways nailbiter. |
| 02:15.05 | ryan` | is there any way to make the kernel not drop TCP packets with bad checksums? |
| 02:15.07 | eskiled | goodnight all |
| 02:15.30 | stew | eskiled: paste your sources.list to #flood or paster (/whois paster) |
| 02:16.03 | Wyzard | ryan`: That doesn't seem like a very good idea |
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| 02:16.40 | ryan` | Wyzard, I know what I'm doing and want to do it anyway. |
| 02:17.19 | wazzles | I just got sarge up and running, wireless has been working since the install begin, I have the packages pcmcia-cs and wireless-tools, what package do I need to execute "iwlist scan" |
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| 02:18.05 | Wyzard | ryan`: If it's possible, it's probably controlled by one of the items in /proc/sys/net/ipv4 |
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| 02:18.26 | ryan` | Wyzard, looked there, didn't see anything |
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| 02:18.42 | Wyzard | ryan`: dunno then, sorry |
| 02:22.10 | colordeaf | I'm having trouble getting Debian (3.0 r4, 2.2.20) to see my PCMCIA network card on a Toshiba Pentium laptop. I've tried several net/modules but no luck. I did however after extensive searching, get it to install the PCMCIA support, so the lights are blinking but Debian doesn't see it at all. I have no idea what I am doing. Any help? |
| 02:23.01 | Wyzard | colordeaf: Is it actually PCMCIA (which is a 16-bit interface), or CardBus (a more modern 32-bit interface which uses the same kind of slot) ? |
| 02:23.15 | colordeaf | 16-bit |
| 02:24.17 | Wyzard | colordeaf: ISA and PCMCIA devices are generally a lot harder to set up than PCI and CardBus devices, because you have to manually specify things like memory address ranges |
| 02:24.42 | Wyzard | colordeaf: You can get CardBus network cards pretty cheaply... I have a 3c575 that I got on eBay for $15 two years ago |
| 02:24.53 | Guerin | if the machine supports cardbus |
| 02:24.58 | Wyzard | true |
| 02:24.58 | abrotman | check bestbuy .. you can get them for $20 sometimes |
| 02:24.59 | Guerin | he did say it's a pentium |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | a Pentium would support it |
| 02:25.09 | abrotman | most 486's supported cardbus |
| 02:25.37 | colordeaf | Yeah, it has two options in BIOS.. "Cardbus/16-bit" or "PCIC Compatible" Does this mean it supports it? Will that be a lot easier? |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | gah .. heartburn! |
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| 02:26.04 | Guerin | colordeaf: heh. My toshiba notebook has the same option, which appears to make no difference. |
| 02:26.20 | Guerin | mine's a p2, though. |
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| 02:26.38 | cddesjar | holy cow do i have a lot of dependency problems when upgrading to testing |
| 02:26.42 | colordeaf | Guerin: yeah, it had no affect in Win98 for me, but I wasn't sure. hah.. thanks. |
| 02:26.42 | be0wulf__ | uhm i'm doing sth wrong again |
| 02:26.58 | be0wulf__ | keep getting host key verification failed while trying to transfer files via scp |
| 02:27.05 | be0wulf__ | what do i have to do about it? |
| 02:27.13 | Wyzard | colordeaf: Run lspci on it... do you see any "CardBus bridge" devices? |
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| 02:28.50 | colordeaf | Wyzard: No, I don't. |
| 02:29.12 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 02:29.29 | Wyzard | might be worth switching that BIOS option to PCIC and trying again |
| 02:29.51 | Wyzard | If there's any way to get CardBus on that system, I'd say that's far preferable to setting up a PCMCIA card |
| 02:30.12 | Segers_J | be0wulf__: if you're sure there is no man in the middle attacking you, throw away the key and get a new one. (edit or delete ~/.ssh/known_hosts) |
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| 02:31.02 | abrotman | Segers_J: he coudl have been totally hacked ... though dunno why a hacker wouldchange the key |
| 02:31.53 | colordeaf | Thanks!! |
| 02:32.23 | llama32 | i know xandros != debian, but i dont know where to ask - how the hell do i use xdm instead of the crap display manager xandros provides? im sure this is the same as in regular debian - how do i set the default display manager? |
| 02:32.27 | Segers_J | abrotman: I'd guess he's on dhcp and the machines have moved since the last time he connected, or similar. |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | llama32: you probably can't .. you get what you bought |
| 02:32.45 | be0wulf__ | na unlikly i set up the machine today and it's only serving local network |
| 02:32.58 | abrotman | !xandros |
| 02:32.58 | dpkg | xandros is, like, a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 02:32.59 | doleyb | llama32: apt-get install kdm |
| 02:33.08 | abrotman | doleyb: he's on xandros .. not debian |
| 02:33.19 | Wyzard | llama32: In Debian, the way to do it would be to uninstall whatever display manager you're currently using, and install xdm or whatever it is that you want |
| 02:33.20 | be0wulf__ | and it's behind a router |
| 02:33.30 | doleyb | he says he assumes the answer is the same as for debian, so, following his belief.. |
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| 02:33.38 | Wyzard | llama32: (and btw, GDM and KDM are nicer than XDM) |
| 02:33.40 | be0wulf__ | the problem only exists with scp |
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| 02:34.01 | llama32 | Wyzard: but i cant run any other WM apart rom KDE |
| 02:34.07 | abrotman | yay xandros |
| 02:34.10 | kingtux | having some buggy stuff happen with acpi and battery charge monitor |
| 02:34.18 | llama32 | abrotman: i get what came with a magazine :) |
| 02:34.19 | Wyzard | llama32: KDE is a desktop environment, not a window manager |
| 02:34.30 | abrotman | !d-i llama32 |
| 02:34.31 | dpkg | llama32, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:34.42 | be0wulf__ | i don't get it |
| 02:34.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: You can "get what you downloaded from debian.org" too, you know... |
| 02:34.46 | be0wulf__ | this scp doesn't work |
| 02:34.56 | kingtux | I have power pluged up if i remove plug it stills says pluged in??? if i restart acpi it detects the corrrect settings |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: i think i just pointed that out |
| 02:35.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: did you move out yet? |
| 02:35.11 | llama32 | Wyzard: i know, i cant run any window manager, i can only run KDE - that better? |
| 02:35.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: haven't yet, no |
| 02:35.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: you just love that cooking eh? :) |
| 02:35.32 | Wyzard | abrotman: and low rent |
| 02:35.41 | abrotman | low rent? .. No rent! :) |
| 02:35.52 | Wyzard | $50/week |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | Wyzard is a freeloader .. he uses Linux and pays no rent! :) |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | Wyzard: really? .. that's not nice of them |
| 02:36.16 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:36.27 | Wyzard | Well, I do eat food and use electricity |
| 02:36.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: stop eating .. then you'll stop crapping and running the water pump! |
| 02:36.52 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:37.13 | doleyb | llama32: if you realy wanna, run kde, then "killall kwin", then "twm&". then puke |
| 02:37.17 | be0wulf__ | sftp works though |
| 02:37.22 | be0wulf__ | and that's also quite nice |
| 02:37.28 | abrotman | doleyb: he CANT .. it's xandros |
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| 02:37.34 | abrotman | it only comes with kde |
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| 02:39.15 | deadcat | where is the lprng package? |
| 02:39.20 | deadcat | in 10.0 or 9.1 |
| 02:39.25 | deadcat | oopts |
| 02:40.03 | be0wulf__ | doesn't scp work without shared key authentication stuff? |
| 02:40.08 | EdLin | deadcat: lprng in 10.0 or 10.1, forget witch, got put in /pasture |
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| 02:40.15 | EdLin | which* |
| 02:40.19 | dondelelcaro | be0wulf__: the whole point of ssh is shared keys. |
| 02:41.15 | llama32 | abrotman: if it came with KDE, id be happy... it comes with a KDE that has been twisted to look and feel like windows... they replaced konqueror with "xandros file manager" which is basically konqueror without any good points (thumbnails are done like XP), they modified/replaced kppp, so whenever i log out it disconnects my dialup - and i cant configure it not to |
| 02:41.17 | be0wulf__ | aw well yeah but the authorized keys without password authentication |
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| 02:41.32 | psychonate | alright, does anyone have experience with rox's pinboard? |
| 02:41.41 | dondelelcaro | be0wulf__: sure, you just enter passwords 8 billion times. |
| 02:41.45 | llama32 | psychonate: a little |
| 02:41.48 | psychonate | it makes icons for all my running, minimized apps |
| 02:41.52 | psychonate | they look rather ugly |
| 02:42.06 | psychonate | I would prefer if it would not. Do you happen to know how to have rox not do this? |
| 02:42.09 | llama32 | you can turn it off, but i dont know if you can make them look nice |
| 02:42.19 | llama32 | it's somewhere in the options |
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| 02:42.24 | psychonate | excellent |
| 02:42.28 | llama32 | is in the newer versions anyway |
| 02:42.29 | psychonate | I shall have a gander. |
| 02:42.42 | doleyb | llama32: raising important questions about why you have xandros at all, if you hate it so |
| 02:42.46 | psychonate | ah, yep, it was in there |
| 02:42.53 | psychonate | thanks a bunch |
| 02:43.11 | psychonate | IceWM + rox is pretty decent :) |
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| 02:43.15 | abrotman | llama32: so install Debian .. stop bitching |
| 02:43.31 | llama32 | doleyb: well, im on dialup, so downloading is no good, and i wanted something with qt development tools |
| 02:43.51 | doleyb | llama32: pay someone to mail you debian, it will cost $7 |
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| 02:44.08 | llama32 | abrotman: downloading it is not an option, and i couldnt be bothered ordering it... dont have a credit card |
| 02:44.13 | servus | doleyb will exchange Debian DVDs for David Hasselhoff photos. |
| 02:44.19 | EdLin | llama32: I installed d-i over dialup. It's not so bad. |
| 02:44.20 | moya | it's possible to setup debconf to be noninteractive inside an script ? |
| 02:44.36 | llama32 | i dont really like debian anyway, id use FreeBSD if it didnt crash on boot on my machine |
| 02:44.43 | moya | the first time it defaults to dialog, didn't it ? |
| 02:44.51 | Wyzard | llama32: Ubuntu offers free CDs too |
| 02:44.56 | be0wulf__ | damit |
| 02:44.59 | be0wulf__ | it doesn't work |
| 02:45.00 | be0wulf__ | neither way |
| 02:45.06 | llama32 | EdLin: i think i have very slow dialup, it averages 1.5 to 2kb/s |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | llama32: then go ask #xandros |
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| 02:46.13 | llama32 | Wyzard: i also have ubuntu installed, but i want to use the qt development tools, and dont want to download them... id install knoppix to HD, but last time i did that it took me ages to get it booting and working in english |
| 02:46.18 | EdLin | llama32: you seem to have a lot of excuses, considering that you aren't running Debian anyway and think you'll never be able to run it. |
| 02:46.20 | doleyb | llama32: still, thats like just 30 hours of downloading. start now, done by saturady |
| 02:46.21 | EdLin | llama32: considering that, why are you here? |
| 02:46.26 | llama32 | abrotman: there are like 5 ppl in there |
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| 02:46.41 | abrotman | !they don't know |
| 02:46.41 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:47.13 | llama32 | blehh |
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| 02:47.19 | abrotman | i used debian on a modem for a long time .. a 56k dialup is no excuse |
| 02:47.34 | EdLin | I'm on dial-up too. |
| 02:47.52 | abrotman | i used debian on 14.4 dialup .. eep |
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| 02:48.22 | EdLin | I actually like installing Debian over the net from a small iso than downloading the multiple full size isos of other distros. |
| 02:48.39 | llama32 | abrotman: it took me > 4 hours to get 15MB... so to get about 300MB, that would be like 80 hours |
| 02:48.43 | EdLin | I can install a minimal setup in an afternoon's time, install irssi-text and elinks, then download a working desktop while I chat. :-) |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | you'll get no sympathy from me |
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| 02:49.05 | EdLin | (including downloading the netinst iso) |
| 02:49.06 | Wyzard | llama32: Go to ubuntulinux.com and sign up to be mailed a free CD |
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| 02:49.15 | servus | As long as you don't have to use that miserable Jigdo thing, installing Debian from a netinst is all right. |
| 02:49.15 | sam_ | wich identd server i should install just for connecting to irc server ? |
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| 02:49.24 | simy | what do i need to make my own email server? |
| 02:49.25 | EdLin | llama32: netinst is a lot smaller than 300MB |
| 02:49.42 | moya | it's possible to setup debconf to be noninteractive inside an script ? |
| 02:49.51 | llama32 | Wyzard: i have ubuntu, but i need qt development tools, hence xandros |
| 02:49.56 | simy | EdLin on cd its like 60mb's |
| 02:50.00 | Wyzard | EdLin: netinst downloads most things during installation, which will still be slow |
| 02:50.10 | abrotman | then get a damned kubuntu CD .. |
| 02:50.11 | simy | EdLin i think |
| 02:50.13 | abrotman | god .. |
| 02:50.17 | Wyzard | llama32: What tools specifically? |
| 02:50.21 | EdLin | simy: right, a fifth the size of 300MB |
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| 02:50.33 | eeyore-- | evening |
| 02:50.42 | Wyzard | llama32: Ubuntu has a lot more stuff in universe than in their main archive... you can use a CD to install the core system, then download additional stuff from universe as you need it |
| 02:50.43 | llama32 | Wyzard: qt designer, qt assistant |
| 02:50.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: do you accept all kinds of faxes ? |
| 02:50.52 | EdLin | Wyzard: not all that long at 56K, just another 20 megs or so. |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | llama32: how about you ask one of your friends to get you 14CDs |
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| 02:51.04 | EdLin | Wyzard: make that 45 |
| 02:51.05 | llama32 | bbl, happier... rebooting into ubuntu |
| 02:51.11 | simy | if its slow connection, net install would be ok because (power problems asside) it can be left alone when downloading |
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| 02:51.31 | eeyore-- | abrotman: huh? |
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| 02:51.39 | simy | what do i need to host my own email server? |
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| 02:52.13 | eeyore-- | abrotman: all kinds of faxes? |
| 02:52.34 | magyar | whats the diff between "PermitRootLogin without-password" and "PermitRootLogin no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 02:52.45 | lakcaj | http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | eeyore-: /whois eeyore- |
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| 02:53.09 | Pryon | simy: a mail transport agent and an MX record which points to it |
| 02:53.20 | eeyore-- | abrotman: oh that :-) "fax modem", a character in one episode of "Reboot" |
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| 02:54.01 | eeyore-- | abrotman: "fax modem" starred with "data nully" (voice provided by gillian anderson), both of the CGI agents, in search of a creature that has escaped from the web ;-) |
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| 02:54.26 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: you watch cartoon porn ? |
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| 02:55.28 | mlewis00 | Possibly offtopic, but does anyone know what the image should consist of to make a bootable cd (i.e. do I need the MBR or the Partition Boot Sector of the HDD that I'm imaging to CD)? |
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| 02:57.04 | Wyzard | mlewis00: Look into "isolinux" |
| 02:57.25 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: no, you just need a 2.88 boot floppy. |
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| 02:57.57 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: use the eltorito parameter to mkisofs to specify it |
| 02:58.00 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: Don'n have a floppy image file or a floppy drive :( |
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| 02:58.05 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: well, make one. |
| 02:58.24 | abrotman | making floppy drive is easy |
| 02:58.36 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: it's not like you need either to generate a bootable floppy image. |
| 02:58.50 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: Hmmm, don't know how without the floppy drive... |
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| 03:00.16 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: I researched this about a year ago but have forgotten...but that seems like the right direction...I'll google for how to create a floppy image...Thanks! |
| 03:00.34 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: dd if=/dev/zero of=tempfile seek=288000 count=0; mkboot -i ./tempfile /path/to/kernel... |
| 03:01.06 | dondelelcaro | (one assumes that mkisofs can handle a sparsefile as an image... but who knows? |
| 03:02.02 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: Thanks, that should get me started on the right track... |
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| 03:03.13 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: also, you might as well start with the netboot images; d-i builds them along the same lines that I've indicated. |
| 03:03.16 | magyar | is it possible to restrict ssh by ip address in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 03:03.24 | dondelelcaro | magyar: yes. |
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| 03:04.18 | magyar | dondelelcaro, what is the derivative, i looked through the man files but there is nothing on :allow subnet" |
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| 03:05.08 | venger | How can I determine what the debian version is on a box that is missing /etc/apt/sources.list? Does apt-setup default the new sources.list to the correct distribution? |
| 03:05.36 | Xenguy | venger: there's a file in /etc |
| 03:05.39 | dondelelcaro | magyar: it obeys hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
| 03:06.05 | dondelelcaro | magyar: so the answer to your question is technically no; but effectively yes. |
| 03:06.07 | Xenguy | venger: /etc/issue |
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| 03:06.47 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: OK, thanks...I have to restart into Linux as I am now in Windows XP ( Arrgh...)...Thanks again for the help. |
| 03:06.57 | dondelelcaro | magyar: actually, AllowUsers looks like it could function in the same manner: AllowUsers *@hostname |
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| 03:07.21 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: np |
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| 03:07.45 | venger | Xenguy: it contains Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, i'm trying to determine whether its testing or unstable |
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| 03:08.13 | Xenguy | venger: dunno - google it I guess |
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| 03:08.17 | L00thar_ | Where's the best place to discuss cdrecord problems? |
| 03:08.19 | magyar | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 03:08.33 | tvn | what's the dpkg command to show what files were installed by package abc ? |
| 03:08.40 | stew | venger: 3.1 should be sarge aka stable |
| 03:08.55 | stew | tvn: -L |
| 03:09.01 | Xenguy | venger: mine is sid and says "Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l" |
| 03:09.10 | ThomasM | Anyone happen to have a .deb for cone? I'm sick of trying to get it to compile (it was built for gcc-3.2 and I don't have the skills to patch it forward to gcc-4). |
| 03:09.32 | tvn | stew: thanks |
| 03:09.44 | Xenguy | ThomasM: tried 'checkinstall' ? |
| 03:09.45 | abrotman | apt-get.org sometimes has odd packages |
| 03:09.53 | abrotman | Xenguy: it does't compile |
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| 03:09.59 | Xenguy | abrotman: I need my fix man |
| 03:10.02 | L00thar_ | cdrecord... what to do with an iffy drive... |
| 03:10.14 | abrotman | Xenguy: out of whiteout again? |
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| 03:10.17 | venger | I wonder what a woody install says |
| 03:10.20 | Xenguy | abrotman: ;-) |
| 03:10.22 | Atula | I am trying to setup samba on debian so I can access files with my windows box. So far.... everything is crap! |
| 03:10.25 | EdLin | venger: 3.0 |
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| 03:10.38 | ThomasM | Xenguy: checkinstall just keeps track of files installed, if I'm not mistaken. How would it be useful in getting a program to compile? |
| 03:10.43 | Atula | I can't seem to uninstall samba cleanly. I've tried apt-get --purge remove samba |
| 03:11.04 | opFoo | hi anyone know the script debian uses to setup /dev/hd? for cdrom? |
| 03:11.05 | abrotman | that's how you uninstall amba |
| 03:11.08 | abrotman | L00thar_: we all did .. |
| 03:11.13 | L00thar_ | hehe |
| 03:11.17 | L00thar_ | copy con too. |
| 03:11.39 | venger | EdLin: hmm so you say 3.1 is sarge 3.0 is woody and testing/unstable is sid... =\ |
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| 03:11.58 | andrew | hey is anyone around to help me out with a problem |
| 03:12.04 | EdLin | venger: testing/unstable is either testing (at present etch), or sid (unstable) |
| 03:12.29 | venger | EdLin: ya i gathered it encompassed both |
| 03:13.05 | opFoo | I have kernel 2.6.8, it won't detect cdrom /dev/hdc, I can do it manually with MAKEDEV. I want to know the script debian uses to setup the /dev/ directory so I can force it to. |
| 03:13.17 | venger | EdLin: but that doesn't explain to me why sarge is a higher version number than woody unless woody is not longer testing... |
| 03:13.37 | andrew | hey is anyone around to help me out with a problem with a wireless card |
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| 03:13.49 | abrotman | andrew: just ask .. if someone can help .. they will |
| 03:13.55 | EdLin | venger: woody is oldstable now, formally stable. It hasn't been testing in this century. |
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| 03:14.28 | venger | EdLin: thats about how long its been since i've had to touch my server |
| 03:14.58 | andrew | trying to install a wireless card using ndiswrapper but modprobe command says it cant locate my module |
| 03:15.03 | andrew | dont know what to do |
| 03:15.04 | EdLin | venger: running an unpatched server for over 5 years? The first thing I'd to is check for root kits. |
| 03:15.05 | abrotman | EdLin: yes it has |
| 03:15.07 | abrotman | !woody |
| 03:15.07 | dpkg | methinks woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 03:15.09 | abrotman | see! |
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| 03:15.46 | EdLin | abrotman: OK, so I was 6 months off. |
| 03:15.47 | abrotman | though ... /me tries to remember if there was a testing when woody was testing |
| 03:15.55 | Atula | abrotman: I've tried to uninstall/reinstall samba a few times, the problem is that there's always an error installing: dpkg error processing samba (--configure) |
| 03:16.00 | abrotman | EdLin: you mena ... 30 months ? |
| 03:16.14 | andrew | trying to install a wireless card using ndiswrapper but modprobe command says it cant locate my module |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | Atula: what is the error ? |
| 03:16.16 | EdLin | abrotman: 2001 is the first year of the 21st century. |
| 03:16.19 | venger | EdLin: ya its been a while but i remember less than 5 years ago woody was full testing |
| 03:16.31 | abrotman | EdLin: then it's still 18 months :) |
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| 03:17.01 | EdLin | !shoot EdLin |
| 03:17.32 | EdLin | abrotman: now you're making no sense. |
| 03:17.35 | Atula | abrotman: E: sub-process usr/bin/dpkg return an error code (1) |
| 03:17.50 | abrotman | EdLin: no .. i could have sworn that was the way it worked .. remember .. the calendar was done by romans ... :) |
| 03:17.56 | venger | EdLin: I wont beat this to a pulp ill just go sid |
| 03:17.59 | abrotman | Atula: on sarge ? |
| 03:18.03 | Atula | abrotman: it seems that it won't do the configure |
| 03:18.10 | Atula | abrotman: yes. I'm on sarge stable |
| 03:18.16 | abrotman | Atula: check the BTS |
| 03:18.30 | EdLin | venger: if you have this much of a problem concerning package versions and upgrading I'd strongly reccomend *against* running sid. Run sarge. |
| 03:18.40 | Atula | !BTS |
| 03:18.41 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 03:18.42 | abrotman | EdLin: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/mil2000.html |
| 03:19.06 | abrotman | EdLin: i thought they just ignored the no year0 thing when doing centuries |
| 03:19.20 | imageek | anyone know what package provides iwlib.h? |
| 03:19.28 | abrotman | !search |
| 03:19.28 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 03:19.35 | dondelelcaro | !+find iwlib.h |
| 03:19.36 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:19.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwlib.h' (1): (/usr/include/iwlib.h) in libdevel/libiw-dev. |
| 03:19.52 | EdLin | abrotman: yes, they do. That's why, as I said, the beginning of the century *and* millenium was 2001. |
| 03:19.57 | Damienk | I have a Tablet PC here, with a 4GB Microdrive (CF) I have a desktop PC (this one) running windows (dont hit me its not mine) I want to get linux onto the CF card, it is in a USB flashreader and is assigned a drive in WIndows, what can I do? |
| 03:20.00 | opFoo | oh my god it worked |
| 03:20.03 | abrotman | EdLin: no .. they don't ignore it |
| 03:20.19 | abrotman | EdLin: they count years like normal people .. not computer geeks :) |
| 03:20.24 | NingMa | !+find type.h |
| 03:20.26 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:20.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'type.h' (7 of 48): (/usr/include/bse/bsetype.h) in gnome/beast ;; (/usr/include/ctype.h) in libdevel/libc6-dev ;; (/usr/avr/include/ctype.h) in otherosfs/avr-libc ;; (/usr/include/elk/type.h) in libdevel/libelk0-dev ;; (/usr/include/gb/gb-type.h) in libdevel/libgb-dev ;; (/usr/include/calc/nametype.h) in devel/apcalc-dev ;; (/usr/include/atlas_type.h) in devel/atlas3-headers. |
| 03:20.44 | andrew | trying to install a wireless card using ndiswrapper but modprobe command says it cant locate my module |
| 03:20.44 | abrotman | EdLin: i thought the year0 didn't matter for centuries .. but did for millenia .. not a big deal |
| 03:20.52 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 03:21.05 | EdLin | abrotman: that's not what the website you pointed me at said to me. :-) |
| 03:21.08 | venger | EdLin: I appreciate your concern but the versioning has changed not the fact that i've ran each version on several boxes over several years |
| 03:21.10 | EdLin | abrotman: nite |
| 03:21.14 | abrotman | EdLin: yes it did :) |
| 03:21.25 | EdLin | venger: exactly what sid is not supposed to do. |
| 03:21.32 | larso | is there a relatively painless way (using apt or dpkg or some third party package, whatever) to "remember" which packages I have installed on my current debian system so when I wipe the HD (needed for Windows) I can just start downloading the packages I currently have without going through dselect again (which takes a good hour or two) |
| 03:21.32 | abrotman | EdLin: it said that year0 didn't exist .. therefore both 21cent and 3mil start in 2001 |
| 03:21.41 | EdLin | venger: that kind of usage is for stable |
| 03:21.46 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 03:21.47 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | ok ... |
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| 03:22.06 | venger | EdLin: why not use what works for what needs to be done |
| 03:22.16 | EdLin | venger: stable doesn't work? |
| 03:22.17 | larso | thanks abrotman |
| 03:23.13 | venger | edlin: unstable doesn't? not sure where you are going with this, but i'm finding myself wanting to understand why you insist on your own opinion of things |
| 03:23.30 | venger | edlin: at least as far as what I should do |
| 03:23.42 | EdLin | venger: you value stability and running the same system for several years - precisely what stable is for. |
| 03:23.55 | EdLin | venger: why do you prefer to run sid on a production server? |
| 03:24.21 | NingMa | !debian security |
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| 03:25.05 | venger | EdLin: well honsetly even though it shows 3.1 i could have sworn i had to take on some unstable packages to support 2.6.7 but hey its been a while |
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| 03:25.17 | EdLin | venger: Sarge offers 2.6.8 |
| 03:25.33 | NingMa | !debian install |
| 03:25.33 | dpkg | i guess debian install is see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 03:25.41 | J_ | anyone know good mirrors fo debian testing packages |
| 03:25.41 | venger | edlin: sarge to date i presume |
| 03:26.05 | EdLin | venger: no, Sarge since it's been released offers 2.6.8 |
| 03:26.09 | user12 | is there a citrix client for sarge? testing unstable? |
| 03:26.31 | Guerin | !tell user12 about search |
| 03:27.03 | user12 | guerim - did a search for citrix |
| 03:27.04 | EdLin | venger: you need to specify "linux26" or "expert26" during install, or apt-get it after installation. |
| 03:27.10 | user12 | not sure if package may be another name |
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| 03:27.52 | venger | edlin: ok well thats a good info |
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| 03:29.10 | NingMa | anyone know how to enlarge my console font under vga=xxx for 1280x1024@60hz |
| 03:29.30 | trollboy | is there a nice smb interface for debian? |
| 03:29.56 | tvn | trollboy: to browse files ? |
| 03:32.15 | trollboy | I just wanna share some dirs, mount some remote shares, and install some network printers |
| 03:32.16 | trollboy | easily |
| 03:32.21 | trollboy | all pointy-clicky like |
| 03:33.55 | ClamIAm | bah, i switched my capslock and control and it's tough to get used to :P |
| 03:34.14 | ClamIAm | i'm typing capitals all over the place |
| 03:34.26 | servus | Think of it like Quake. Shift makes you _tiny_ |
| 03:34.40 | ClamIAm | haha |
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| 03:36.26 | sbalneav | trollboy, I beleive webmin has a samba module. |
| 03:36.40 | jeff01 | can someone help me with my network? when my comp boots and tries to pull an address from the dhcp server, it gets no response |
| 03:37.01 | jeff01 | no working lease in persistent database - sleeping. |
| 03:37.28 | sbalneav | What kind of dhcp server? |
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| 03:38.00 | jeff01 | the one on my router. i dont really know the difference between them |
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| 03:38.42 | victor | hola nesecito ayuda |
| 03:38.59 | jeff01 | sbalneav: kind of a newbie |
| 03:39.20 | Wyzard | I've never had any trouble with DHCP clients on any of my own Debian systems, but I've seen the Sarge installer fail to get a lease from my DHCP server (dhcp3-server running on a Debian box) on a friend's computer plugged into my network |
| 03:39.22 | sbalneav | How large is the dynamic range set up on the router? Maybe you've jut got no free leases. |
| 03:39.41 | sbalneav | s/jut/just/ |
| 03:39.42 | victor | no encuentro aplicaciones que instale con sudo |
| 03:39.47 | Wyzard | Ubuntu's installer got a lease just fine, so we ended up installing that |
| 03:40.19 | jeff01 | sbalneav: no, cause i had the system on there earlier. i upgraded from 2.4 to 2.6, and the support for my old ethernet was dropped, so i got a new one, and arrived at this problem |
| 03:40.23 | victor | y a poner agregar aplicacion al menu aplicaciones/etc.. tampoco aparecen |
| 03:40.28 | Segers_J | !spanish |
| 03:40.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:40.40 | Wyzard | jeff01: What kind of network card did you have that got dropped? |
| 03:40.47 | jim | Wyzard: any idea which dhcp client it uses? |
| 03:41.09 | jim | also are you saying you tried debian-installer? |
| 03:41.26 | Wyzard | jim: I thought it used the same one as Debian -- it's a derivative, after all, using basically the same installer, so probably not too much different |
| 03:41.30 | jeff01 | Wyzard: one that used via-rhine. it wasnt that it was unsupported, but that i got frustrated with it and decided to splurge and buy a new card for 14 |
| 03:41.42 | jim | oh really |
| 03:41.43 | Wyzard | jim: I've installed sarge on boxes of my own though, without problems... this was just a one-time quirk on that specific machine |
| 03:41.49 | jim | ubuntu uses debian-installer |
| 03:42.52 | Wyzard | Anyway, I'd consider the possiblity that jeff01 is seeing the same problem, though I wouldn't assume so from the start |
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| 03:43.13 | jeff01 | Wyzard: dhcp client is messed up? |
| 03:43.14 | sbalneav | jeff01, does the interface show up when you do an "ifconfig -a"? |
| 03:43.17 | jim | but that's interesting tho... I'm curious if the difference could be found and fixed... for example could you make up an experimental box using the same type of controller and see what happens again? |
| 03:43.25 | zparta2 | to add alsa or oss to the kernel what must i do ? |
| 03:43.42 | jim | well I suspect the kernel rather than the dhcp client |
| 03:44.05 | Guerin | zparta2: debian 2.6 kernels have both. |
| 03:44.09 | jeff01 | sbalneav: yea, but its not configured, its got all of the default values |
| 03:44.18 | Wyzard | jim: Well, the only machine I've ever seen it occur on is several hundred miles away from me right now, and it belongs to someone else who uses it on a daily basis |
| 03:44.24 | jim | zparta2: 2.6.x kernels have alsa built in... it's very possible that 2.8 will have alsa and not oss |
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| 03:44.29 | jeff01 | sbalneav: it looks like it sset to use ipv6 though |
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| 03:44.45 | zparta2 | Guerin: hmm, ok |
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| 03:44.48 | zparta2 | jim: ok |
| 03:44.52 | jim | Wyzard: ahh... |
| 03:45.03 | jeff01 | sbalneav: and when i tried to do it though KDE's interface, it showed up as ipv6 as well |
| 03:45.18 | Wyzard | jim: so unfortunately, I can't do much to track it down now... but I did run dhcpdump at the time and found that my DHCP server was getting the requests and sending back offers, but the client was never receiving them |
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| 03:45.34 | sbalneav | Hmm. I'd suspect something got borked in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:46.04 | jim | zparta2: so if alsa's what you want you can use a 2.6 kernel making sure the alsa modules are in there, and add the alsa libs, tools and userland |
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| 03:46.41 | sbalneav | If you're doing dhcp, you'll want two lines like: auto eth0\iface eth0 inet dhcp and nothing else for eth0 |
| 03:46.44 | jim | Wyzard: possibly bad cable? |
| 03:47.05 | sbalneav | Maybe have a look at that. |
| 03:47.22 | Wyzard | jim: Ubuntu and a Windows install CD had no problems with the same cable, and I've used that cable with other systems at other times |
| 03:47.29 | jeff01 | sbalneav: http://channels.debian.net/paste/850 |
| 03:47.32 | jim | ok |
| 03:47.52 | zparta2 | jim: i got a 2.6 kernel though i dont know where to add the modules for loading |
| 03:48.01 | jim | Wyzard, howbout the machine with the same card and the same cable with a different os? |
| 03:48.31 | jim | zparta2: see if it loaded any snd-* modules already... look at lsmod |
| 03:48.34 | sbalneav | jeff01, that seems ok. |
| 03:48.47 | jeff01 | sbalneav, hmm |
| 03:48.48 | Wyzard | jim: That's pretty much what I did... I attemtped DHCP with sarge and it failed, so I shut down, swapped in Ubuntu, and got an IP with that |
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| 03:49.18 | zparta2 | jim: there is some snd_pcm loaded |
| 03:49.41 | jim | aha... so that rules out any hubs, cables, the machine, the card |
| 03:49.52 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 03:49.55 | Wyzard | gotta be software |
| 03:49.59 | sbalneav | what happens if you manually assign it an address with something like "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.23 netmask 255.255.255.0 up"? Can you ping the router? (assuming that's your network)? |
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| 03:50.21 | jim | any way you could get the kernel version and its /boot/Config-*? |
| 03:50.45 | Wyzard | jim: It's whatever's on the install CD |
| 03:51.01 | Wyzard | jim: booted with "linux26" -- I don't remember whether I tried 2.4 |
| 03:51.08 | jeff01 | sbalneav, no, destination host unreachable |
| 03:51.19 | jim | for the sarge side? or ubuntu? |
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| 03:51.27 | Wyzard | jim: Sarge 3.1r0a vs. Ubuntu Hoary |
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| 03:52.06 | jim | *shrug* :) let's ask :) |
| 03:52.10 | Wyzard | jim: I don't remember what kind of network card it had built-in, but I swapped in a known-good 3c59x of my own and it still didn't work |
| 03:52.19 | L00thar | So... Where's the best place to discuss cdrecord problems? |
| 03:52.40 | sbalneav | jeff01, is that the address range it was using? Check and see if you've got a link. Try "mii-tool eth0" and see if the card think's it's got a heartbeat. |
| 03:53.28 | sbalneav | You should see something like: eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 03:53.35 | Wyzard | jim: and "linux26" was on the sarge side... Ubuntu installs 2.6 by default |
| 03:53.58 | jeff01 | sbalneav, yea its got a heartbeat, and i changed the address range to fit my network |
| 03:53.58 | jim | oic |
| 03:54.34 | sbalneav | What's yours, a 10.0... network? |
| 03:54.38 | jim | Wyzard: didn't work? hmm, could that rule out the card? both do not work... hmm... |
| 03:54.49 | jeff01 | sbalneav, 192.168 |
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| 03:54.59 | Wyzard | jim: I think I tried an 8139 too, with no luck |
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| 03:55.03 | Wyzard | jim: Definitely software |
| 03:55.21 | jim | wait, something else already ruled out the card |
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| 03:55.28 | zparta2 | cat /dev/random /dev/dsp should i get some random sound out from the soundcard then ? |
| 03:55.32 | sbalneav | jeff01, here's a really dumb question: have you tried resetting the router? |
| 03:55.34 | simonrvn | > |
| 03:55.46 | simonrvn | zparta2: forgot a redirection |
| 03:56.03 | jeff01 | sbalneav, haha yea |
| 03:56.05 | zparta2 | ah yes, but should i get sound if it is setup correctly ? |
| 03:56.12 | simonrvn | like that you're just catting /dev/urandom and /dev/dsp |
| 03:56.15 | sbalneav | Just had to check :) |
| 03:56.34 | jeff01 | sbalneav, understood |
| 03:57.01 | simonrvn | zparta2: if done correctly, sure |
| 03:57.02 | sbalneav | Could you ping the router with the right address range? |
| 03:57.31 | jeff01 | ? what do you mean |
| 03:58.00 | jeff01 | right address range? |
| 03:58.08 | sbalneav | Well, what range does your router hand out? |
| 03:58.17 | jeff01 | 192.168.2.... |
| 03:58.25 | sbalneav | 192.168.x.y ... 192.168.x.z |
| 03:58.57 | sbalneav | Ah, ok. And the router's IP address is on 192.168.2.1? |
| 03:59.04 | jeff01 | mhmm |
| 03:59.09 | sbalneav | or 2.254? |
| 03:59.18 | jeff01 | 192.168.2.1 |
| 03:59.35 | zparta2 | simonrvn: i got a /dev/dsp but it says no device :P |
| 03:59.45 | jeff01 | sbalneav could dhclient.conf be wrong? |
| 03:59.57 | simonrvn | then you don't have the right (or none at all) loaded |
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| 04:00.01 | sbalneav | OK, so try this: ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.138 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 04:00.09 | simonrvn | right module(s) i mean |
| 04:00.37 | sbalneav | jeff01, Maybe, but I'd like to see the card ping with a static address first to rule out card/hardware problems. |
| 04:00.45 | zparta2 | simonrvn: now i just gotta find out what to use :P |
| 04:01.09 | sbalneav | After you do the ifconfig, then you can try a ping of 192.168.2.1 |
| 04:01.11 | jeff01 | sbalneav, i did that, then tried to ping the router: destination host unreachable |
| 04:01.15 | simonrvn | lspci is your friend |
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| 04:01.38 | simonrvn | not a very lively one though, usually just sits around until you call it ;p |
| 04:01.45 | sbalneav | Hmmm. |
| 04:02.04 | jeff01 | in dhclient.conf, the fixed address is something ive never seen before |
| 04:02.05 | servus | Kind of like a corpse in dancing shoes. |
| 04:02.10 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 04:02.11 | zparta2 | simonrvn: OPL3-SA3 the /var/log/messages says something about :P |
| 04:02.30 | simonrvn | /var/log/dmesg should help too |
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| 04:02.46 | zparta2 | well that is the dmesg part of that file |
| 04:02.55 | sbalneav | jeff01, try this: invoke-rc.d networking stop && invoke-rc.d networking start |
| 04:03.07 | sbalneav | Lets reset the network to a known state/ |
| 04:03.28 | zparta2 | simonrvn: ad1848/cs4248 |
| 04:03.42 | simonrvn | iirc opl3 doesn't have an alsa driver.... i'd check anyway, just in case. oh ok, that might |
| 04:03.46 | imageek | !+find hal.pc |
| 04:03.48 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:03.54 | simonrvn | uh wait |
| 04:03.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'hal.pc' (1): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/hal.pc) in libdevel/libhal-dev. |
| 04:04.05 | simonrvn | oh yeh |
| 04:04.08 | imageek | :( |
| 04:04.08 | imageek | anyone know what package provides hal.pc? |
| 04:04.12 | jeff01 | sbalneav, something just occurred to me. on boot, it says that /etc/network/options is deprecated. with kernel 2.4 it still worked, but is that the problem now? |
| 04:04.17 | simonrvn | imageek: it just told you |
| 04:04.25 | simonrvn | dpkg Debian Search of 'hal.pc' (1): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/hal.pc) in libdevel/libhal-dev. |
| 04:04.26 | imageek | ok |
| 04:04.26 | imageek | lag |
| 04:04.26 | imageek | sorry |
| 04:04.31 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 04:04.45 | zparta2 | simonrvn: so there aint a driver in alsa for that one ? |
| 04:04.50 | imageek | i didnt notice i was lagging until i asked again |
| 04:05.12 | simonrvn | there might be. i'm not sure. check alsa-project.org |
| 04:05.13 | sbalneav | jeff01, geez, that's a good one. To tell the truth, I've never touched that file. |
| 04:05.19 | simonrvn | AFK |
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| 04:05.40 | jeff01 | sbalneav, hmm |
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| 04:06.15 | sbalneav | If you've added something in there, maybe it's lousing the works up. |
| 04:06.28 | jeff01 | sbalneav, havent touched it |
| 04:07.05 | jeff01 | sbalneav, dhclient.conf maybe? |
| 04:07.10 | zparta2 | what manufacturer can OPL3-SA3 be ? |
| 04:07.14 | cio | Sweet! I have a working bootable 2GB debian 3.1 (sarge) USB flash drive ... |
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| 04:07.27 | sbalneav | Possibly. Did you modify it before? |
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| 04:08.01 | jeff01 | sbalneav, no |
| 04:08.18 | jeff01 | should the fixed address be something significant, like the gateway or router or whatever? |
| 04:08.19 | sbalneav | Mine's completely commented out. So it's doing nothing, that I can see. |
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| 04:08.40 | jeff01 | sbalneav so is mine..... feel kina stupid now |
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| 04:09.09 | sbalneav | Well, it shouldn't matter, so long as the router's set up right. That's the bit I can't see :) |
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| 04:09.35 | jeff01 | sbalneav, it was configured fine before i upgraded the kernel and replaced the network adapter |
| 04:09.56 | sbalneav | Hm. What have you got in your /etc/modules? |
| 04:10.07 | cddesjar | i am trying to add acpi=on to my boot list |
| 04:10.13 | cddesjar | where is that boot file for grub? |
| 04:10.19 | sbalneav | I know an upgrade to 2.6 can bugger with THAT file a bit. |
| 04:10.43 | jeff01 | ide-cd, ide-detect, ide-disk, psmouse |
| 04:10.57 | sbalneav | Well, that's pretty plain jane |
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| 04:11.17 | cddesjar | is it grub.lst |
| 04:11.19 | cddesjar | ? |
| 04:11.24 | jeff01 | i just reinstalled debian a week ago, and have been running into problems, preventing me from doing much |
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| 04:11.31 | sbalneav | What kind of network card? |
| 04:11.35 | J_ | why when i run apt- get upgrade the next time i start my computer only safe will work |
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| 04:11.59 | jeff01 | sbalneav linksys fast ethernet |
| 04:12.01 | jeff01 | uses toolup |
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| 04:12.11 | J_ | why when i run apt- get upgrade the next time i start my computer only safe will work |
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| 04:12.40 | J_ | can anyone help |
| 04:12.40 | sbalneav | Well, linksys cards are pretty standard. THAT shouldn't be a problem. |
| 04:12.44 | J_ | why when i run apt- get upgrade the next time i start my computer only safe will work |
| 04:12.47 | J_ | can anyone help |
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| 04:13.19 | J_ | why when i run apt- get upgrade the next time i start my computer only safe will work |
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| 04:13.28 | J_ | can anyone help |
| 04:13.45 | imageek | !+find gtk+-2.0.pc |
| 04:13.46 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 04:14.22 | sbalneav | jeff01, hmmm, got me stumped. What's the router? Maybe google knows something... |
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| 04:14.43 | sbalneav | J_: What do you mean by "only safe will work"? |
| 04:15.10 | jeff01 | sbalneav, microsoft wireless, but this connection is wired. do the workgroups between the box and the router have to match? |
| 04:15.45 | sbalneav | Shouldn't have to for dhcp, I woudn't think. For samba file sharing, yes. |
| 04:15.52 | imageek | hrm |
| 04:16.33 | sbalneav | Hold on, I'll google and BTS for a bit. See if I can come up with something. |
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| 04:17.44 | snerfu | is the /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/defconfig the .config file I need to copt into /usr/src/linux? |
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| 04:18.34 | snerfu | err copy |
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| 04:19.34 | snerfu | I am trying to build madwifi, and I didn't want to have to compile the kernel again, just install kernel-source, and I am trying to find the .config that it was built from. |
| 04:19.48 | jdhutchin1 | snerfu, have you tried module-assistant? |
| 04:19.51 | Segers_J | snerfu: to oldconfig a new kernel? /boot/config* |
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| 04:19.55 | jdhutchin1 | !tell snerfu about m-i |
| 04:20.10 | Wyzard | snerfu: If you're using a precompiled kernel, install its corresponding kernel-headers package (or linux-headers, for recent versions in unstable) and use that |
| 04:20.10 | snerfu | Never heard of module-assistant |
| 04:20.18 | snerfu | I am new to debian though. |
| 04:20.19 | jdhutchin1 | hmm, sorry, let me find it |
| 04:20.25 | snerfu | Ahh thanks. |
| 04:20.30 | snerfu | ok |
| 04:20.38 | jdhutchin1 | module-assistant |
| 04:20.48 | jdhutchin1 | snerfu, /msg dpkg module-assistant |
| 04:20.54 | snerfu | Thanks. |
| 04:21.13 | Wyzard | jdhutchin1: Doesn't that only work for module-source packages? |
| 04:21.19 | Wyzard | jdhutchin1: madwifi doesn't seem to be packaged |
| 04:21.29 | jdhutchin1 | I thought it had one somewhere |
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| 04:21.39 | sbalneav | jeff01, I can't see anything that jumps out at me. From what I can see, it should work. I'd suggest bypassing the dhcp, and setting up the interface a static ip address in /etc/network/interfaces. I know this is kind of a cop-out, but there you go. If I was there, I'd grab my laptop, fire up ethereal, and watch the dhcp packets go by :) |
| 04:21.40 | jdhutchin1 | probably not official |
| 04:22.20 | jeff01 | sbalneav, haha, thanks for your help |
| 04:22.37 | Wyzard | At any rate, a kernel-headers tree provides what's needed to compile a kernel module |
| 04:23.19 | sbalneav | jeff01, no problem, sorry I couldn't be of more help :( |
| 04:23.26 | Wyzard | (and it's one of the things that module-assistant installs) |
| 04:23.27 | jeff01 | sbalneav, how do i set a static address |
| 04:23.38 | jim | so you'd run make-kpkg modules_image from a kernel-headers dir? |
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| 04:24.10 | sbalneav | I'll paste a snippet from my interfaces file. |
| 04:25.11 | Wyzard | jim: I'm pretty sure that's how it works, though I haven't done so personally (since I use custom kernels and therefore have a full source tree) |
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| 04:26.29 | dasnipa | hey |
| 04:26.32 | emRick | Have got two Debian PCs connected with a crossover cable (they can ping each other). What Debian package do you recommend for configuring NFS? |
| 04:27.03 | jim | a plain text editor |
| 04:27.12 | jim | you should already have nano |
| 04:27.17 | sbalneav | jeff01, http://channels.debian.net/paste/852 |
| 04:27.28 | snerfu | Awesome, ath0 up and running. Thanks guys. I am going to go ahead and build my own package now. |
| 04:27.31 | sbalneav | Comment out the old eth0 stuff, and add this in. |
| 04:27.54 | snerfu | I am not used to the debian way just yet, but getting there. |
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| 04:28.17 | dasnipa | im working on a deb install on a dualboot machine and ran into a kernel panic error after base install ive installed many distros before i know i got my partitions and what have you set correctly dunno where to look next |
| 04:28.53 | dondelelcaro | dasnipa: uh, what is the kernel panic, exactly? |
| 04:28.56 | Wyzard | dasnipa: What did the panic message say had gone wrong? |
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| 04:29.42 | nav5 | are c++ and g++ two separate compilers? |
| 04:29.48 | dasnipa | lol arent i genious i should have written that down ahaha ill bbl |
| 04:29.52 | dasnipa | c++ is a lang |
| 04:29.56 | dasnipa | g++ is a compiler |
| 04:30.00 | Wyzard | nav5: C++ is a language; "g++" is the name of the GNU C++ compiler |
| 04:30.12 | sbalneav | jeff01, when you've done that, invoke-rc.d networking restart should pick it up. |
| 04:30.27 | nav5 | no I mean I can compile using "c++ -o hello hello.cpp" as well as "g++ -o hello hello.cpp" |
| 04:30.43 | Coweater | c++ is a link to g++ |
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| 04:31.05 | nav5 | ah ok, thanks |
| 04:31.21 | tawfik | Where do I find the C header files that match my running kernel? |
| 04:31.26 | Wyzard | The "c++" link goes through the alternatives system, so if you had some other C++ compiler installed instead, it would point to that |
| 04:31.33 | deadcat | if lprng works with the printer i have, do i keep that or go to cups? |
| 04:31.39 | Wyzard | but pretty much everyone just has G++ |
| 04:31.47 | Wyzard | tawfik: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 04:31.48 | nav5 | gotcha, thanks |
| 04:31.56 | deadcat | or linux-headers |
| 04:32.08 | Wyzard | linux-headers for recent kernels in unstable |
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| 04:32.27 | sbalneav | Whoops, hope that wasn't me :) |
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| 04:34.40 | roboo | are there any parameter for wget to retry always ? |
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| 04:38.21 | Wyzard | tawfik: Just FYI, you can use "dpkg -L <packagename>" to get a list of files installed by a package |
| 04:38.57 | tawfik | Wyzard: what does FYI means(i'm not a native english speaker :| ) |
| 04:39.07 | Wyzard | "for your information" |
| 04:39.34 | tawfik | Wyzard: ok thanks |
| 04:40.07 | deadcat | if lprng works with the printer i have, do i keep that or go to cups? |
| 04:40.20 | Segers_J | roboo: type h into any man page for how to search within the man page (priceless feature imho) |
| 04:40.24 | Wyzard | deadcat: I prefer CUPS |
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| 04:40.31 | tawfik | Wyzard: If I ever ask questions that may seem a little dum, I want you to know that I am only 15 years old, that I am half-romanian, half-jordanian, and that I am a foreign exchange student to the US, so please, have patience with me, thanks |
| 04:40.37 | tawfik | dumb* |
| 04:40.42 | Wyzard | tawfik: hehe... that's fine :-) |
| 04:41.04 | tawfik | Wyzard: thanks :) |
| 04:41.17 | Wyzard | tawfik: You must be a rather intelligent person to speak several languages, be in a foreign exchange program, and use Linux, at age 15 |
| 04:41.55 | tawfik | Wyzard: thank you ;) |
| 04:41.58 | dannyp | does anyone have any idea on how to best install lop.com onto a windows machine? it's off-topic, yes, but I'm running debian and windows folk don't seem to want to help people get spyware |
| 04:42.27 | sbalneav | Headin' out, night all |
| 04:42.29 | Segers_J | tawfik: /msg dpkg <random acronym> usually gives you the meaning FWIW. |
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| 04:42.42 | Wyzard | dannyp: If "lop.com" is spyware, why would we want to help you install it either? |
| 04:43.09 | dannyp | Wyzard: the kindness of your heart? I'm looking to install it |
| 04:43.14 | tawfik | Segers_J: thanks :) |
| 04:43.44 | dannyp | (whereas, in windows circles, it seems that spyware is viewed- correctly- as a black eye on the operating system, and as such folks would rather pretend it didn't exist) |
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| 04:44.14 | Wyzard | dannyp: Well, spyware generally tries to make itself pretty easy to install, or it wouldn't be effective... so I'm sure you can figure it out |
| 04:44.22 | Wyzard | dannyp: I, and probably most others here, have zero interest |
| 04:45.16 | dannyp | Wyzard: well you'd think so, but because sites that install lop.com spyware (lop.com itself does not distribute the spyware application of the same name) don't advertise themselves as a way to install lop.com |
| 04:45.21 | dannyp | so finding them is harder than it seems |
| 04:45.27 | venger | little confused on external mail setup. can i use exim and a POP3 account to allow external mail to be sent/received through that account? |
| 04:45.48 | Wyzard | Then look in an online spyware database or something... I'm sure they say where you can get it from, as a warning |
| 04:45.54 | roboo | can i open "man wget" via a special editor like vim ? |
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| 04:46.03 | dannyp | Wyzard: I mean I'm aware I'm one of probably 10 folks out there that's looking to install spyware this evening, but hey |
| 04:46.16 | tawfik | Wyzard: I have one more question, a few days ago there was a power shortage here, when the power came back on, although before I had installed kde 3, it wouldn't work now, although I tried reinstalling it, and second, synaptic won't work anymore, unless I start the computer as root and start it from the shell, else it gives me some error regarding Gtk and Xlib, now it does the same thing with vmware, it won't work either, I am not surprise |
| 04:46.16 | tawfik | d what other programs I may find that won't work by time, do you know what the reason for this could be(other than the power shortage), and how could I fix it? |
| 04:47.26 | Wyzard | tawfik: Could be filesystem corruption due to the power failure -- files that were actively being modified, or had recently been modified, when the power failed, could have problems |
| 04:47.59 | tawfik | Wyzard: that doesn't sound good at all, do you think it may be permanent? |
| 04:48.00 | roboo | ? |
| 04:48.09 | Wyzard | tawfik: If you can track down which packages contain the problematic files, you can "apt-get install --reinstall" them |
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| 04:48.31 | Wyzard | tawfik: Well, it's not permanent in the sense of physical disk damage... a full reinstall would certainly fix it, but that's inconvenient |
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| 04:48.55 | Wyzard | tawfik: You can fix it without reinstalling, but it's more work, tracking down exactly what packages have been damaged and reinstalling them |
| 04:49.07 | sether | tawfik: what filesystem are you using? |
| 04:49.10 | Wyzard | tawfik: (And that's assuming this is even the cause of the problem... I'm just guessing) |
| 04:49.15 | tawfik | Wyzard: can I paste what the error looks like in #flood ? |
| 04:49.21 | Wyzard | sure |
| 04:49.55 | Wyzard | Oh, that's not a filesystem problem |
| 04:50.05 | sether | yeah, i'm just curious |
| 04:50.22 | dannyp | Wyzard: unfortunately this is really a case of there being so few people out there doing research on it, that there is no simple way of finding a way to get infected with this stuff, and there's no standard place to turn to to ask people for help in hunting down spyware |
| 04:50.22 | sether | i've heard some filesystems are more susceptible to corruption than others. |
| 04:50.42 | Wyzard | That happens when you run X as a normal user, use "su" to switch to root, and try to run a graphical program as root? |
| 04:51.01 | dannyp | Wyzard: so asking fellow users of my operating system doesn't seem like a bad place to start, given that we're all fairly technically inclined and prone to like challenges |
| 04:51.36 | tawfik | I just pasted the error that appears when i try to xmms |
| 04:51.48 | Wyzard | sether: Journaled filesystems (ext3, reiserfs, etc.) are protected against inconsistency in the face of improper shutdowns... doesn't mean that the *contents* of a file can't be corrupted, just that it'll always be a valid file with some well-defined set of contents |
| 04:52.10 | sether | oh, i see. |
| 04:52.13 | tawfik | Wyzard: I just pasted the error that appears when i try to xmms |
| 04:52.26 | Wyzard | tawfik: Are you running xmms as root, or as your "normal" account? |
| 04:52.34 | tawfik | this is when I try to run it as root |
| 04:52.40 | tawfik | should I try as a normal account |
| 04:52.51 | tawfik | I am logged to X as normal user though |
| 04:53.26 | Wyzard | Running X programs as the same user you're logged into X with should work, but running them as another user (such as root) doesn't |
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| 04:53.54 | Wyzard | It's a security feature of X, meant to protect against other users connecting to your X session (since they could do things like record your keystrokes or look at what's on your screen) |
| 04:54.14 | tawfik | and still, for example, synaptic, won't work under any circumstance, KDE 3, won't work anymore either, and many programs report errors or crash |
| 04:54.35 | Wyzard | There's a package called "sux" which works like "su" but it transfers your X credentials so that root can connect to your X session... apt-get install sux |
| 04:55.14 | amphi | dannyp: msgplus looks like your boy |
| 04:55.18 | Wyzard | As for why it worked before, root had probably been authorized previously, but your authorization key got changed or something... I dunno exactly |
| 04:55.42 | amphi | dannyp: "MsgPlus: Third party MSN messenger extention that hides ads and adds archiving features. Unfortunatly contains lop.com spyware" |
| 04:55.54 | xixor | hey guys, are all Linux distributions POSIX compliant? I am just curious. I am just reading a book on GNU autotools, and POSIX gets raised a lot |
| 04:56.03 | Wyzard | but sux is a good way to use root in X |
| 04:56.23 | dannyp | amphi: you have a new friend. Thanks much. |
| 04:56.28 | Wyzard | xixor: It's technically possible to make one that isn't, but in practice, I'm pretty sure they all are |
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| 04:56.40 | Wyzard | xixor: Certainly the major ones |
| 04:57.05 | doleyb | gksu and kdesu do that also, chances are one of them is already installed |
| 04:57.10 | doleyb | xixor: hey, do all humans have 10 fingers? |
| 04:57.17 | xixor | no |
| 04:57.24 | xixor | my uncle jimmy has 9 |
| 04:57.25 | Wyzard | xixor: (There are varying degrees of POSIX compliance, btw... any system that uses GNU libc will have all the C functions that POSIX mandates, but some distro might not provide a POSIX-compatible shell, for example) |
| 04:57.28 | amphi | dannyp: google turned it up - I'd never heard of lop.com |
| 04:57.35 | snerfu | Thanks for the help earlier Wyzard, wireless is working great now with wep. I just need to start on wpa. |
| 04:57.45 | Wyzard | snerfu: Use wpasupplicant for that |
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| 04:58.11 | xixor | Wyzard, : so, does POSIX just library calls? Or does the layout of the system, i.e. /etc, how the init runlevels work, and those specified in POSIX as well? |
| 04:58.30 | snerfu | Wyzard, Will do thanks, I am already filtering access to the router by MAC, but I might as well use everything I can. |
| 04:59.05 | doleyb | xixor: Windows NT = POSIX compliant, so POSIX means nothin |
| 04:59.17 | dannyp | there are multiple POSIX standards |
| 04:59.25 | dannyp | it's possible to be compliant with some and not others |
| 04:59.36 | Wyzard | xixor: I don't think POSIX specifies runlevels, but it does specify a set of library calls and other various things |
| 04:59.53 | Wyzard | doleyb: From what I've heard, Windows' POSIX subsystem is very poor, and exists basically as a checkbox featur |
| 04:59.56 | Wyzard | *feature |
| 05:00.42 | Wyzard | snerfu: MAC filtering adds just about zero security against anyone willing to spend five minutes of effort to sniff some traffic |
| 05:00.42 | xixor | Wyzard, : ok, thanks |
| 05:00.46 | xixor | Wyzard, : that really clears things up |
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| 05:00.59 | cugrt | k i snagged the errors |
| 05:01.04 | xixor | Wyzard, : so, is POSIX compliance why stdin, stdout work in C programs under windows? |
| 05:01.22 | snerfu | True |
| 05:01.41 | doleyb | xixor: no, they'd have stdout anyway. leftover from DOS |
| 05:01.53 | xixor | ah |
| 05:01.59 | cugrt | the kill error is cannot open dev/console, and before that it cant open numerous dependancies files including /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/modules.dep |
| 05:02.08 | xixor | ok, I am just trying to get a handle on what the POSIX compliance means in terms of writing software |
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| 05:02.47 | ubuntu | hey i just tried to install gnome and gdm alongside xandros and now my login window (for kde and gnome won't work |
| 05:03.00 | xixor | doleyb, Wyzard : so, are *BSD operating systems POSIX compliant as well then? |
| 05:03.06 | ubuntu | any ideas? |
| 05:03.11 | Wyzard | ubuntu: Why are you still trying to use Xandros? |
| 05:03.35 | Wyzard | ubuntu: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/qt4-dev-tools -- present in Debian testing/unstable, and also in Ubuntu breezy... haven't checked hoary |
| 05:03.54 | Caelum | nothing is 100% POSIX compliant |
| 05:03.55 | ubuntu | it's the only install disk i have -- tried to download ubuntu 3 times and gentoo was too tough for me to figure out |
| 05:04.03 | doleyb | xixor: "POSIX compliant" doesn't mean much. |
| 05:04.03 | Caelum | afaik |
| 05:04.15 | Wyzard | ubuntu: Judging by your nick, I'd say you succeeded in downloading Ubuntu |
| 05:04.20 | xixor | Caelum, : its like the iso C++ standard then.. some are close, but no one is 100% eh? |
| 05:04.26 | ubuntu | this is a live cd |
| 05:04.27 | ubuntu | ha |
| 05:04.31 | doleyb | xixor: "POSIX compliant" = vendor can send you a checklist of which posix features are included or not. Doesn't guarantee anything is actually checked in, just that they are listed. |
| 05:04.35 | dannyp | xixor: most operating systems, save a few commercial ones, are not certified POSIX conformance, or even POSIX conformance |
| 05:04.39 | Caelum | xixor: pretty much, Debian is pretty damn close though |
| 05:05.00 | xixor | ok |
| 05:05.05 | dannyp | xixor: "POSIX[.1] compliance" means simply that some subset of the POSIX.1 standard is implemented |
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| 05:05.18 | Wyzard | ubuntu: Go to http://www.ubuntulinux.com/ and click the "Free CDs" link in the menu on the right |
| 05:05.27 | Wyzard | ubuntu: You can get a free CD mailed to you, and then you don't have to download it |
| 05:05.39 | xixor | oh really? from just the language of "POSIX compliant" I thought that would indicate that they were 100% to the T posix compliant... |
| 05:06.03 | dannyp | I didn't think Linux (the kernel itself) had POSIX.1 compliance |
| 05:06.06 | ubuntu | i've allready done that.. no cd's yeat, i think they are waiting untill the official breezy before they send out the next batch |
| 05:06.08 | Wyzard | ubuntu: Or ask a friend who has broadband to download the distribution of your choice |
| 05:06.09 | dannyp | let alone anything ontop of it |
| 05:06.20 | dannyp | xixor: no, the terminology for that in IEEE land is POSIX conformance |
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| 05:06.34 | ubuntu | hey how many cds does debian come in? |
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| 05:07.00 | xixor | oh really? so conformance = 100%, compliance = enough to get by? |
| 05:07.05 | Wyzard | ubuntu: The full sarge archive for x86 is 14 CDs or 2 DVDs, but you don't need all of them to install |
| 05:07.05 | doleyb | ubuntu: it comes in 1/3 a cd, it comes in 19 cds, depending on what you want |
| 05:07.31 | ubuntu | ok |
| 05:07.43 | Wyzard | ubuntu: The first CD contains the base system and the most common packages; the others contain additional optional software, in approximate descending order of popularity |
| 05:07.55 | ubuntu | xandros is kinda slick, so slick it locked me out of my computer |
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| 05:08.13 | Wyzard | ubuntu: So you could easily grab just the first one, or the first few, and have those packages available locally, and the rest can be automatically downloaded if needed |
| 05:08.14 | ubuntu | ohh |
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| 05:08.44 | dasnipa` | so, im attempting a dual-boot install of deb. ran into a kernal panic msg after the base install number of files not found and an /sbin/init 432 cannot open dev/console |
| 05:08.45 | ubuntu | nice... the apt-get feture is unreal... it is the best |
| 05:09.01 | Wyzard | ubuntu: Ubuntu does something similar -- a single CD installs the core system, and the "universe" and "multiverse" archives contain many additional packages that are available for download |
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| 05:09.36 | uml | hi, is there an ide for the c language in linux? |
| 05:09.55 | smartbhai | uml : anjuta is nice |
| 05:09.56 | doleyb | uml: yes, there are at least 5 of them. such as emacs, eclipse, kdedevelop, etc |
| 05:10.21 | dannyp | xixor: compliance doesn't even mean "close enough to get by." It means "close enough so we're going to arbitrairly take credit for it." |
| 05:10.37 | ubuntu | does anyone run gnome here? |
| 05:10.46 | smartbhai | ubuntu : yes why |
| 05:10.54 | uml | doleyb: thx, which one would u prefer, and is it possible to make a gui with any of'em? |
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| 05:11.06 | dannyp | xixor: if you comply with any of the POSIX.1 standard (which is very big) then you are "POSIX compliance." In a word, it's a totally useless label outside of the marketing department when not applied to anything specific |
| 05:11.24 | dasnipa` | uml: it surely is depending on the package you are using |
| 05:11.29 | dannyp | xixor: if you say something like "a POSIX compliant shell" then you might have some better idea of what they're talking about. |
| 05:11.30 | doleyb | uml: well yes, but you need to decide what gui lib you want to use, because raw X11 is too hurting. |
| 05:11.31 | dasnipa` | library* |
| 05:12.08 | ubuntu | i've been using primarialy kde for a long time and my buddy really likes gnome, i've had some programs that i wnated to install that ere dependent on gtk-dev and i also wanted to give gnome another try --had it on RED HAT 9 |
| 05:12.22 | xixor | dannyp, : ok.. ha ha. Is this perhaps a consequence of the UNIX hey-day, back in the 80's and 90's when there were a ton of UNIX vendors out there? |
| 05:12.22 | doleyb | uml: ie do you want gtk, qt, wxwidgets, fox, fltk, motif, etc etc. (some of those suck!) |
| 05:12.31 | maher | ubuntu: gnome apps rununder kde and vice versa |
| 05:12.35 | xixor | dannyp, : and they all had big marketing departments and just a few developers or something? |
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| 05:12.47 | doleyb | uml: look into kdevelop, although it uses c++ |
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| 05:13.05 | uml | cool thanks deleyb |
| 05:13.19 | Wyzard | ubuntu: I prefer GNOME over KDE, mainly because a) many apps that I like (Galeon, Gaim, Evolution, etc.) are GNOME apps, and b) it looks nice, whereas I have yet to find a KDE theme that I really like |
| 05:13.31 | ubuntu | i know thery do... and linux is also the easiest opperating system in the world, but it doesn't always work out that way |
| 05:14.02 | ubuntu | kde is really wearing on my eyes |
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| 05:14.13 | dasnipa` | fluxbox is nice |
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| 05:14.22 | maher | ubuntu: try ion3 for something different |
| 05:14.31 | ubuntu | yes i like fluxbox as well |
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| 05:14.50 | dannyp | xixor: well, it was a result of an effort to make operating systems more portable and consistent |
| 05:15.15 | dannyp | xixor: and the existance of the POSIX standard has helped with that over the years, as has the existance of a single unix standard |
| 05:15.27 | dannyp | and the linux standard base, for linux-world |
| 05:15.30 | xixor | dannyp, : what is this existance of a single unix standard you speak of? |
| 05:15.54 | dannyp | single unix specification is I suppose the correct acronym... SUS |
| 05:16.02 | xixor | dannyp, : hm... never heard of it |
| 05:16.05 | doleyb | xixor: also think about lsb |
| 05:16.25 | dannyp | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/headix.html |
| 05:16.59 | dannyp | xixor: the point is, people should not worry too much about them. |
| 05:17.09 | jim | what dhcp client is used by sarge installer? |
| 05:17.15 | dannyp | xixor: but maybe, if we didn't have them, things would be much worse |
| 05:17.27 | dasnipa` | the sarge installed doesnt like me :( |
| 05:17.31 | dasnipa` | installer* |
| 05:17.46 | jim | it loves me tho :) |
| 05:17.49 | Wyzard | ubuntu: hehe... sorry, I just PMed you a link to a GNOME screenshot, without thinking about the fact that it's 2.1MB and you're on dialup :-/ |
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| 05:18.02 | xixor | dannyp, : I am not questioning them.. just want to undestand them a bit better.. this conversation here tonight has been very informative :) |
| 05:18.10 | dannyp | xixor: if you're developing something, you should do something in the "standard" and "portable" way, which is often what POSIX, SUS, LSB, etc. describe, but isn't always what they describe |
| 05:18.15 | dasnipa` | heh spread some of the sarge lovin then jim |
| 05:18.19 | dasnipa` | ;) |
| 05:18.25 | jim | well what's the problem |
| 05:18.28 | dasnipa` | maybe this it wont panic my kernal |
| 05:18.32 | ubuntu | no i'm on broadband... i just had a hell of a time with ubuntu and i don't really wnat a straight debian install |
| 05:18.34 | xixor | dannyp, : I am just reading the "autobook", the book about automake, autoconf, libtool |
| 05:18.43 | jim | panic? why? |
| 05:18.50 | dasnipa` | just aftr the base install |
| 05:19.04 | dasnipa` | its not opening dev/console |
| 05:19.05 | jim | what happens after that? |
| 05:19.12 | doleyb | xixor: seriously, what other OSes matter besides linux? bsd, solaris, windows? each of those has a linux-compat layer. |
| 05:19.20 | dasnipa` | as well as a number of files it cant find |
| 05:19.27 | jim | what happens just aftr the base install |
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| 05:19.49 | jim | what happens just before the problem hits |
| 05:20.13 | Wyzard | ubuntu: I thought your reason for using Xandros was because you got the CD in a magazine and didn't have the bandwidth to download any other distro? |
| 05:20.19 | dasnipa` | reboot, start to boot, then a bunch of errors like modprobe: modprobe cant open dependancies file /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/modules.dep no such file |
| 05:20.25 | dasnipa` | pivot_root no such file |
| 05:20.36 | jim | what happens right after the base is finished installing |
| 05:20.39 | ubuntu | no i burrowed the cd from a buddy |
| 05:20.47 | dasnipa` | just a reboot |
| 05:21.10 | Wyzard | ubuntu: At any rate, I've been running Debian ("unstable" branch) for about five years on this system, but I recently installed the Ubuntu "breezy" preview on another system and it's nice |
| 05:21.13 | jim | Wyzard: you have any idea which dhcp client sarge uses? |
| 05:21.13 | dasnipa` | i cant scroll up before the errors cuz theres so many |
| 05:21.33 | Wyzard | jim: "dhcp-client", I believe... I always replace it with "dhcp3-client" after installation, though |
| 05:21.35 | dasnipa` | just a crapton of cant open such and such |
| 05:21.52 | xixor | doleyb, : I would say that bsd and windows matter |
| 05:21.58 | dasnipa` | possibly the bootloader has the wrong partition to look in, but i looked at it and it seemed fine |
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| 05:22.04 | Anandamide | hello |
| 05:22.17 | jim | Wyzard: it could be the problem is exactly there... ubuntu uses dhcp3-client at install time |
| 05:22.27 | dasnipa` | tried both with a single partition as well as a go with a root, swap and home partition |
| 05:22.28 | xixor | doleyb, : since I am using open libraries that run natively in those operating systems and the g++ compiler, I dont see why I should have to use an emulation layer to run them |
| 05:22.52 | doleyb | xixor: so for bsd compat, ignore posix and just make sure you use glibc. for windows compat, use glibc and then run it in cygwin |
| 05:23.00 | ubuntu | Wyzard:what kind of theam is that? |
| 05:23.03 | Wyzard | jim: But I've installed sarge (and thus used its dhcp-client) on other systems on this network, though |
| 05:23.13 | doleyb | but do not expect the windows "POSIX support" to help at all in porting things from linux |
| 05:23.17 | ubuntu | Wyzard: what kind of theam is that? |
| 05:23.28 | Anandamide | if i want to apply a patch that requires a new kernel source what do i do to pint it to the newly extraced source? |
| 05:23.32 | Wyzard | ubuntu: The theme is Clearlooks (which is the new default theme in GNOME 2.12), with a wallpaper I found on gnome-look.org |
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| 05:23.43 | xixor | doleyb, : yeah. I am using C++, OpenGL, and SDL, which should run fine on all those platforms |
| 05:23.45 | Anandamide | i have 2.6.11 sources symlinked to /usr/src/linux |
| 05:23.46 | dannyp | doleyb: I think your "what other OSes matter" crap is rather trollish and fanboyish |
| 05:23.46 | jim | dasnipa`: yeah I can't tell what problem you're having either... but you should consider booting memtest86 and letting that run awhile |
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| 05:23.55 | dannyp | Linux isn't the end-all |
| 05:24.02 | Wyzard | ubuntu: I've also rearranged my panels; the default is a menubar at the top and a taskbar at the bottom |
| 05:24.05 | xixor | doleyb, : Just trying to figure out autotools so I can get the build environment setup for all of them |
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| 05:24.23 | doleyb | dannyp: what are the chances xixor cares about running on aix, iris, etc? low |
| 05:24.33 | Wyzard | jim: A few weeks ago I did a sarge root-on-encrypted-LVM netinstall, with no problems |
| 05:24.33 | ubuntu | i like it |
| 05:24.49 | ubuntu | i cant do the top deal it reminds me of mac too much |
| 05:24.50 | dasnipa` | jim: i figure the error has to do with the fact that im dualbooting it and deb isnt on the main partition but it shouldnt matter as long as the bootable flag is in the deb partition |
| 05:24.58 | Wyzard | ubuntu: The blue thing in the upper right is Bubblemon... a very nifty applet |
| 05:25.01 | dannyp | doleyb: to say that is to make sweeping assumptions, and frankly, if he's developing anything of value, I'd rather it compile everywhere than compile only on one operating system |
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| 05:25.09 | Wyzard | ubuntu: I can't do the bottom deal -- it reminds me of Windows too much :-P |
| 05:25.12 | jim | Wyzard: wow... got rescue media that can mount that root? :) |
| 05:25.28 | xixor | doleyb, dannyp : My attitude is, that just becuse I run linux, doesn't mean the users who use my software have to.. I just want to write the most portable software I can |
| 05:25.33 | ubuntu | 10-4 |
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| 05:25.40 | jim | if so,,, that's just awesome |
| 05:25.40 | Wyzard | jim: It was just to see whether I could do it... it got wiped and replaced with Gentoo, and then a few days ago, with Ubuntu |
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| 05:25.47 | ubuntu | what does the bubblemon do? |
| 05:26.02 | jim | it's too too |
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| 05:26.20 | jim | pops! |
| 05:26.38 | ubuntu | you know what is kickass? |
| 05:26.41 | jim | ubuntoo, gentoo... |
| 05:26.47 | ubuntu | simple old gkrell |
| 05:26.49 | Wyzard | ubuntu: The rate at which it bubbles indicates CPU usage; the level of the water indicates RAM usage; the color indicates swap usage (it turns red when swap gets full); there's a green bandwidth meter in the background, though you can't see it in the screenshot; and when you have local mail waiting, a bottle floats on the surface |
| 05:26.51 | jim | foot... ass... kickass |
| 05:27.02 | Wyzard | ubuntu: It's a nifty little all-in-one meter |
| 05:27.20 | ubuntu | that is kickass |
| 05:27.37 | ubuntu | i wish i could play with my gnome that i installed |
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| 05:27.51 | dannyp | I like Debian Linux, but it's not perfect- in my opinion, FreeBSD does a lot better on things like having a robust VM subsystem and scheduler and whatnot. Debian Linux boxes tend to buckle under load that I'd expect my FreeBSD boxen to withstand. I think apt-get and Debian's binary package system is better, for the user, than FreeBSD's binary package system, but I think the construction of the FreeBSD package system around the ub |
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| 05:28.06 | dannyp | OS bigots are full of crap and should acknoweldge that if one OS was the best at everything, we'd all be using it. |
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| 05:28.16 | trollboy | hmm |
| 05:28.21 | max_ | I'm trying to set up routing for 2 WAN/Internet connections via DNAT/Masq... I want to load balance between the connections... However, whenever I try to follow the suggestions in LARTC I get an error from the masquerade subsystem about 'the route sent us someplace else'. |
| 05:28.21 | trollboy | still having problems with samba |
| 05:28.28 | max_ | What's the best way to handle dual WANs? |
| 05:28.30 | ubuntu | is the general consensus that xandros sucks? |
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| 05:28.43 | maher | dannyp: yeah - if the scientific method was better than astrology all the astrologers would go out of business... |
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| 05:29.00 | jim | dannyp: but how does that explain windows? :) |
| 05:29.06 | doleyb | dannyp: yeah, notice why I included BSD on the short list of important OS |
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| 05:29.33 | Wyzard | ubuntu: Seems to be, though I've never used it myself |
| 05:29.33 | ubuntu | check you guys later |
| 05:29.36 | jim | wha'ts xandros? |
| 05:29.53 | dannyp | maher: boo, specious reasoning- plenty of scientific minded folks employing scientific procedures conclude on different OSes. Astrology is based on faith. |
| 05:29.58 | bucky | !clue jim |
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| 05:30.02 | Wyzard | jim: A commercial Debian derivative of some sort... reportedly runs everything as root, and such nastiness |
| 05:30.09 | dannyp | if every logical person used the same OS and people of faith used others, then I'd see your point |
| 05:30.16 | max_ | Any ideas? |
| 05:30.41 | dannyp | jim: well I don't have a whole lot of an explaination for windows, other than inertia. |
| 05:30.58 | cddesjar | what are the major unfficial repositories? |
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| 05:31.22 | ubuntu | it runs everything as root... is that wy it lost my login .... danm them |
| 05:31.24 | dondelelcaro | jim: if such a thing were to exist, they'd be fairly limited |
| 05:31.50 | jim | right, commander data without lol's chip |
| 05:31.53 | da_bon_bon | is there any way to have kde 3.4 on testing ? (please dont give me 'build from source' or 'wait' :) :) |
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| 05:32.06 | jim | err, lor |
| 05:32.16 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: Check apt-get.org for unofficial packages... if not, then no |
| 05:32.25 | da_bon_bon | ok, Wyzard |
| 05:33.31 | Amorak | I use a clean Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 "Sarge" (Stable) installation with GNOME. After upgrading some packages (including some of GNOME's libraries/programs I believe), every time I log in using GNOME, I get a message for each panel item that says it has quit unexpectedly. When I click to reload them, everything is fine. I just find those messages annoying because there are about 20 of them. Any clue as to what may be happening? |
| 05:33.47 | jim | da_bon_bon: other than that, what choice is there? to not even answer you if that's the only choice? |
| 05:34.27 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: libz is zlib? |
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| 05:34.42 | da_bon_bon | jim: yes.. but i already have gotten those answers before :) |
| 05:35.03 | Amorak | da_bon_bon: I've heard of people using Ubuntu's KDE packages in Debian. I wouldn't recommend it though because there would probably be dependency problems. |
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| 05:38.42 | Wyzard | Especially for C++ -- breezy has made the same GCC transition that testing/unstable are making now, but that breaks binary compatibility of C++ packages with sarge |
| 05:38.51 | Wyzard | dunno exactly |
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| 05:39.00 | cddesjar | !ubuntu |
| 05:39.00 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 05:39.11 | jim | which breaks kde |
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| 05:39.22 | Wyzard | but breezy C++ apps will generally not be installable on sarge, and will probably not work even if you can coerce them into installing |
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| 05:39.41 | cddesjar | debian = way cooler than ubuntu! |
| 05:39.49 | jim | right, which affects kde |
| 05:39.56 | Wyzard | Debian == different design goals than Ubuntu |
| 05:39.57 | da_bon_bon | cddesjar: yes! debian >> ubuntu ! |
| 05:39.58 | Wyzard | Both are cool |
| 05:40.07 | cddesjar | why do people always come in here with ubuntu questions? |
| 05:40.07 | da_bon_bon | Wyzard: what goals ? |
| 05:40.17 | cddesjar | don't they know about #ubuntu |
| 05:40.22 | da_bon_bon | "Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian." --> what is that ? |
| 05:40.25 | cddesjar | no debian has the right goals! |
| 05:40.27 | da_bon_bon | when did he say so ? |
| 05:41.03 | Wyzard | Debian focuses on rock-solid stability and long-term maintainability, and prioritizes tried-and-true versions of things (even if they're not the latest) over latest-and-greatest which might have undiscovered bugs |
| 05:41.28 | jim | well #ubuntu is advocating the distribution of java against its licenses by pointing at factoids that locate the finished packages, saying it's "a better way" than java-package |
| 05:41.38 | jim | I didn't find that very cool... |
| 05:41.39 | Wyzard | Ubuntu is aimed at people who don't have such a strong need for stability at all costs, and want a nice-looking, up-to-date desktop |
| 05:42.06 | servus | Focusing on stability is good, but Fedora Core 4 comes with MySQL 3.23 and forbids you from upgrading. That is just... annoying, to people that have to do actual work on someone's Redhat server :) |
| 05:42.07 | jim | unstable eye candy! |
| 05:42.17 | jim | ok, so that's extreme :) |
| 05:42.20 | da_bon_bon | Wyzard: i want a nice looking up to date desktop .. but debian offers me all up to date stuff in sid |
| 05:42.24 | cddesjar | it's all in the debian philosophy man |
| 05:42.24 | dannyp | hey we're not all here for ubuntu questions. I'm here for spyware questions! |
| 05:42.28 | cddesjar | that's what keeps me here |
| 05:42.43 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: ...except KDE 3.4, apparently :-) |
| 05:42.48 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: or GNOME 2.12, for that matter |
| 05:42.52 | da_bon_bon | Wyzard: sid has kde34 |
| 05:42.54 | Wyzard | (both of which are available in Ubuntu, btw) |
| 05:42.58 | Wyzard | It does now? |
| 05:42.58 | jim | dannyp: if you look just above the lamp on your left... you'll see the camera... |
| 05:43.01 | da_bon_bon | dannyp: spyware ?! on linux ? |
| 05:43.03 | Wyzard | ok |
| 05:43.06 | da_bon_bon | Wyzard: are you using ubuntu ? |
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| 05:43.10 | cddesjar | it's had 3.4 for a while |
| 05:43.17 | cddesjar | dude get caught up before you start railing on sid |
| 05:43.29 | Wyzard | I run GNOME on sid |
| 05:43.39 | da_bon_bon | Wyzard: ok. sid still doesnt have 2.12 ? |
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| 05:43.53 | dav | I realize that this is not the right forum but if anyone has an Infocus projector and managed to make it work correctly with X.org please let me know.. |
| 05:44.00 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: I think it's being staged in experimental |
| 05:44.12 | jim | cddesjar: railing? you mean recommending against installing sid because it's unstable? |
| 05:44.12 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: but it's not all there yet |
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| 05:44.29 | dannyp | da_bon_bon: well, indirectly. spyware on windows XP on vmware on debian |
| 05:44.38 | cddesjar | i think sid is as stable as ubuntu |
| 05:44.59 | Supaplex | and funner |
| 05:45.01 | dannyp | da_bon_bon: I was using FreeBSD as my primary desktop OS, but when I needed to install spyware, I knew I had to run windows, so I installed debian |
| 05:45.08 | Wyzard | sid is less stable than Ubuntu by definition... Ubuntu takes sid and does release testing on it |
| 05:45.19 | dannyp | now I am dual booting FreeBSD and Debian |
| 05:45.27 | jim | dunno, but a net install of ubuntu succeeded under the same hardware conditions that a sarge failed |
| 05:45.37 | jim | hoary specifically |
| 05:45.48 | jim | so, I went over there to determine the difference |
| 05:45.50 | da_bon_bon | dannyp: hehe |
| 05:45.55 | Wyzard | I run sid on this box, but I have a second box here on which I installed Ubuntu breezy a few days ago, and I have to say that it's pretty nice as a desktop |
| 05:46.00 | da_bon_bon | vmware wont work on f-bsd, dannyp ? |
| 05:46.18 | Wyzard | It has some packages I like that are absent from sid, such as Eclipse 3.1 and xcompmgr |
| 05:46.20 | jim | and it might be that dhcp3-client is used by ubuntu installer (which is a debian-installer) |
| 05:46.28 | da_bon_bon | yes, Wyzard ... sadly, debian is a little behind :( |
| 05:46.42 | dannyp | da_bon_bon: ehh, the latest vmware modules for FreeBSD are a couple major versions behind |
| 05:46.53 | jim | some girls would like that tho |
| 05:46.54 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: Well, sid's "being behind" doesn't really bother me, because that isn't Debian's main focus anyway |
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| 05:47.04 | dannyp | da_bon_bon: vmware 5 wouldn't combine well with FreeBSD then, no. |
| 05:47.07 | da_bon_bon | dannyp: cant one compile own modules on fbsd for vmware ? like on linux ? |
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| 05:47.12 | Wyzard | but it does make Ubuntu tempting as a desktop system |
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| 05:52.06 | dannyp | even though I was probably using FreeBSD mainly by then |
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| 05:52.47 | jim | how do you get date(1) to print the date after a billion secs? |
| 05:53.02 | Packeteer | anybody got a fix for the dodgy python2.4 package in sarge? |
| 05:53.20 | dannyp | jim: that's easy in BSD date, I'd like to know how to do it in GNU date... |
| 05:53.33 | da_bon_bon | Wyzard: so ? there are many packages i want that are not in debian's archive |
| 05:53.35 | Supaplex | Packeteer: define dodgy. is it in bts? |
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| 05:53.41 | da_bon_bon | dannyp: lol.. |
| 05:53.43 | dannyp | jim: in fact, it was opening up the manpage for date and seeing that it was not obvious to do is how I remember that I was a FreeBSD user for the billionth second |
| 05:53.51 | nextime | da_bon_bon : ubuntize is "to become ubuntu like" |
| 05:53.53 | Packeteer | Supaplex: the package is broken |
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| 05:54.00 | dannyp | jim: although it was the good charm and company here in #debian how I remember that it was this channel where I was |
| 05:54.09 | Packeteer | Supaplex: incomplete |
| 05:54.14 | da_bon_bon | nextime: that means ? using the ugly brown theme and stupid release names ? |
| 05:54.20 | Supaplex | Packeteer: you sure it's sarge, and not sid or testing? |
| 05:54.24 | Packeteer | yes |
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| 05:54.26 | nextime | sorry but is 7:50 here, i'm still sleeping |
| 05:54.31 | Supaplex | Packeteer: what's missing? |
| 05:54.38 | jim | dannyp: oh, you mean we weren't engaged in major infighting at the time? :) |
| 05:54.38 | Mars|Top | How can I find out what packages are currently installed on my computer? |
| 05:55.06 | dannyp | jim: depending on who the 'we' is, my answer is 'yes, of course you were' or 'oh, never' |
| 05:55.10 | Packeteer | Supaplex: compare python 2.3 and 2.4 from apt-get, 2.3 works, 2.4 doesn't |
| 05:55.13 | jim | dpkg --help (you're looking for get-selections) |
| 05:55.13 | da_bon_bon | my god! sarge and broken package ? are you SURE Packeteer ? |
| 05:55.18 | nextime | da_bon_bon : something like that, but also with a desktop target in mind |
| 05:55.25 | dannyp | but there was a big party here (certainly somewhere on openprojects) for the billionth second |
| 05:55.33 | da_bon_bon | nextime: that was meant as a joke :) |
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| 05:55.45 | jim | oh, I don't recall that |
| 05:55.49 | dannyp | which is the reason I stopped in from whatever freebsd channel I was spending my days on |
| 05:55.57 | Supaplex | Packeteer: file a bug report with bts, if there isn't on already (I'd help more, but python isn't my flavor) |
| 05:56.02 | Packeteer | da_bon_bon: its not the first time i've seen broken packages in sarge :/ |
| 05:56.06 | dannyp | jim: I mean, it was big as far as IRC parties go |
| 05:56.12 | jim | heh |
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| 05:56.33 | jim | scroll the screen fast! faster! flood flood party!!!! |
| 05:56.34 | mlalkaka | hi all |
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| 05:56.56 | Mars|Top | Does anyone know what program dynamically changes what is viewable in /dev/? |
| 05:56.56 | da_bon_bon | Packeteer: oh ok.. my bad, then :( |
| 05:57.30 | stew | Mars|Top: udev |
| 05:57.39 | Packeteer | jim: shall i start expressing my current state of mind with sarge? :P |
| 05:57.42 | Mars|Top | stew: Thank you |
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| 05:58.12 | jim | sarge... such a barge... just watch the simpsons and go ask marge! |
| 05:58.26 | mlalkaka | my internet is going really slow and dmesg repeats "eth0: Media Link On 100mbps full-duplex |
| 05:58.26 | mlalkaka | eth0: Media Link Off" over and over. this wasn't the case before, and i know that my isp isn't the problem because i have other computers connected to the internet using the same connection and they work fine. i believe that the problem is that the ipv6 module is loaded. how can i stop that module from auto-loading? |
| 05:58.56 | Wyzard | mlalkaka: "media link off" means your network cable is unplugged or broken |
| 05:58.58 | jim | mlalkaka: modconf? |
| 05:59.02 | Wyzard | mlalkaka: It has nothing to do with IPv6 |
| 05:59.14 | Mars|Top | stew: I installed udev and now I can't find /dev/hdc. How can I undo whatever mess it made? |
| 05:59.20 | stew | Packeteer: i use python 2.4 in sarge all the time. what specific problem are you experiencing |
| 05:59.29 | jim | full duplex requires that all lines be connected |
| 05:59.32 | stew | Mars|Top: /etc/init.d/udev stop ; apt-get remove udev |
| 05:59.46 | mlalkaka | Wyzard, but my network cable is connected and inside the walls of home lol. this can't be good |
| 05:59.57 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Have you loaded the driver module for the IDE controller that hdc is part of? |
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| 06:00.33 | stew | Mars|Top: does :dmesg | grep hd" turn up anything that looks relevant? |
| 06:00.36 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: I think so. HDC = DVD drive. |
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| 06:01.06 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Then you'll need both ide-cd and the driver for your specific IDE controller |
| 06:01.08 | mlalkaka | jim, what's modconf? |
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| 06:01.40 | stew | Mars|Top: do you have a /dev/cdrom? or /dev/dvd? |
| 06:02.00 | Mars|Top | stew: no |
| 06:02.13 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: Where in the kernel would that be under? |
| 06:02.15 | da_bon_bon | i compiled my own kernel, and included modules like ide-cd in the kernel.. still debian is trying to load them, and gives nasty errors .. any idea how to disable it ? |
| 06:02.17 | mlalkaka | Wyzard, i remember having similar problems though with my router when i had ipv6 module loaded. when i removed that module from loading automatically, things were working. that's what lead me to believe that ipv6 was the problem. |
| 06:02.18 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: udev turns things around a bit... without it, you can have a device file in /dev whose driver isn't loaded, and trying to access the device will cause the kernel to automatically load the driver |
| 06:02.33 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: With udev, the driver has to be loaded *already* or the node won't appear in /dev |
| 06:02.45 | Packeteer | stew: when first installed there was no python 'binary', had to symlink it manually |
| 06:02.51 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: The simplest solution is to install "discover", which will scan your hardware and load all the appropriate modules |
| 06:03.38 | Wyzard | mlalkaka: Anything that talks about "media" on a network interface is talking about the physical cable and its connection to the card |
| 06:03.48 | mlalkaka | Wyzard, oh. |
| 06:03.51 | Wyzard | mlalkaka: You might want to install mii-diag and run that on your eth0 |
| 06:04.03 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: Done. But I still can't find /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom /dev/hdc |
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| 06:04.22 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Run "/etc/init.d/discover start" |
| 06:04.47 | stew | Packeteer: did you check the bts? i've never had that happen. i run python on a dozen machines. |
| 06:05.00 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: It already loaded everything. In case I didn't compile it into the kernel (which I am pretty sure I did) Where would it be again? |
| 06:05.04 | stew | Packeteer: was this a fresh sarge install or a upgrade from woody? had you had previous installs of python that were removed? |
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| 06:05.43 | Packeteer | fresh install of sarge (3.1r0a) |
| 06:05.44 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Kernel modules are physically located in /lib/modules |
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| 06:05.50 | stew | Mars|Top: try booting a debian kernel and see if you get the same behavior |
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| 06:06.16 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: I probably compiled into the kernel, not into a module. |
| 06:06.20 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: "ide-cd" is one that you definitely need, but you also need a driver for the specific model of IDE controller that's on your motherboard |
| 06:06.22 | stew | Packeteer: was the missing symlink the only thing wrong? |
| 06:06.54 | da_bon_bon | how do i stop debian from loading ide-cd on startup ? on my own kernel, its built in, not a module |
| 06:06.54 | Packeteer | stew: no |
| 06:06.58 | stew | Mars|Top: what kernel version? |
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| 06:07.12 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Have you rebooted after installing udev, btw? |
| 06:07.15 | mlalkaka | Wyzard, ok i'm trying that |
| 06:07.16 | Packeteer | stew: cannot install pyhton packages |
| 06:07.26 | stew | Packeteer: which ones? |
| 06:07.28 | stew | Packeteer: why not? |
| 06:07.30 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: Yes. |
| 06:07.35 | Wyzard | ok |
| 06:07.36 | Packeteer | stew: twisted |
| 06:07.40 | bob2 | da_bon_bon: if you're using your own kernel, it's your problem |
| 06:07.42 | Mars|Top | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y |
| 06:07.46 | Mars|Top | Is that what you mean? |
| 06:07.48 | bob2 | da_bon_bon: ie if you don't want ide-cd being loaded, don't build it |
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| 06:08.03 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: OK, so IDE CD-ROM support is compiled in |
| 06:08.19 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: How about the driver for your IDE controller, so the kernel can actually talk to the CD-ROM drive? |
| 06:08.27 | da_bon_bon | bob2: yes, i agree. i have compiled it into the kernel, there is some script on startup that tries to load that module. and many other ide* modules. which is that script ? |
| 06:08.48 | ke6isf | !wayc da_bon_bon |
| 06:08.49 | dpkg | da_bon_bon: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 06:08.58 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: discover, probably, but it's harmless |
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| 06:09.18 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y look right? |
| 06:09.25 | Packeteer | grr, now i can't even remove python packages |
| 06:09.35 | stew | !info +twisted sarge |
| 06:09.35 | stew | err |
| 06:09.35 | stew | !+info twisted sarge |
| 06:09.35 | stew | Packeteer: there is no twisted package |
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| 06:09.37 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 06:09.42 | dpkg | Package 'twisted' does not exist. |
| 06:09.47 | da_bon_bon | Wyzard: harmless, yes.. but a "FATAL ERROR" is unnerving to my friends :) |
| 06:10.03 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Assuming you have an Intel PIIx IDE controller, that's correct |
| 06:10.18 | Packeteer | stew, thereis a python deb package with twisted |
| 06:10.19 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: So you have those things compiled in, and don't even need any modules |
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| 06:10.33 | Packeteer | stew, thereis a python deb package with twisted |
| 06:10.33 | stew | what the? |
| 06:10.36 | Gnea | !beer stew |
| 06:10.43 | stew | Packeteer: not in sarge |
| 06:10.45 | ke6isf | stew: Looks like the flood tolerances were tweaked. |
| 06:10.48 | peterS | Wyzard: it's not PIIx, btw, the X isn't just a substitution for another character. PIIX is the actual name |
| 06:10.59 | liable | da_bon_bon: install a splash screen :) |
| 06:11.10 | EdLin | stew: "apt-cache search twisted" will give you your choice of python twisted packages. |
| 06:11.12 | da_bon_bon | lol, liable |
| 06:11.12 | Packeteer | python2.3-twisted |
| 06:11.22 | da_bon_bon | ke6isf: i want suspend2 enabled kernel. |
| 06:11.26 | Packeteer | what EdLin said |
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| 06:11.48 | EdLin | !beer Packeteer |
| 06:11.54 | stew | Packeteer: what happens when you try to install it? |
| 06:12.03 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Does your /dev have entries for any other hardware whose drivers are compiled statically into the kernel? |
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| 06:12.15 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: Uhh....no idea? |
| 06:12.19 | Packeteer | anyway, i'd use source if i could remove all existing python but it won't let me now :/ |
| 06:12.27 | EdLin | someone needs to get rid of the blank beer for dpkg. :-) |
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| 06:12.45 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Try booting a Debian kernel (which has everything built as modules) and see if that helps |
| 06:12.51 | stew | ok seems like Packeteer doesn't acutally want to diagnose his problems, just wants to complain |
| 06:13.02 | Mars|Top | Everthing in there is pty* tty* or non-hardware |
| 06:13.24 | Mars|Top | only thing that is different is my hard drive |
| 06:13.32 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: I use a custom kernel but I build things as modules myself, so I'm not sure how udev handles hardware whose drivers aren't modules |
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| 06:13.35 | Bogaurd | hey all, just wondering, if i run sarge, will the kernel: 1) have the htb bucket shaping built-in? |
| 06:13.35 | Bogaurd | 2) have the cpu-idle module? |
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| 06:14.31 | EdLin | Bogaurd: Sarge uses either 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 06:14.33 | stew | Bogaurd: htb is available |
| 06:14.38 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Also, as a quick experiment, "mount --bind / /mnt" and then do something with /mnt/dev/hdc |
| 06:14.42 | Gnea | goddamnit. |
| 06:14.44 | dimir | Morning. |
| 06:14.55 | Gnea | this motherboard needs a special power supply |
| 06:14.55 | EdLin | Bogaurd: use "linux26" or "expert26" while installing |
| 06:15.08 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: to see a) whether it works, and b) whether hdc shows up in /dev when you do |
| 06:15.13 | Bogaurd | EdLin: would i want to use 2.4 over 2.6? |
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| 06:15.36 | EdLin | Bogaurd: some people consider it more stable. Debian offers both. |
| 06:15.41 | Gnea | Bogaurd: 2.6 > 2.4 |
| 06:15.52 | da_bon_bon | i want a theme called "lipstik" for deb .. how do i get it from apt-get ? or i need to compile my own ? |
| 06:16.00 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: It does show up. But it says it is not a valid block device. |
| 06:16.07 | stew | Bogaurd: /msg dpkg config-2.4.27-2-386 ; /msg dpkg config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 06:16.12 | Gnea | da_bon_bon: theme? |
| 06:16.17 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Then your problem is something in your kernel, not udev |
| 06:16.19 | Mars|Top | mount: /mnt/dev/hdc is not a valid block device |
| 06:16.21 | da_bon_bon | Gnea: yes. its a theme for kde |
| 06:16.22 | Bogaurd | ok, and one other little query.... |
| 06:16.25 | Mars|Top | Ah, thank you. |
| 06:16.32 | stew | Bogaurd: those are the kernel configs for the two kernels available |
| 06:16.43 | Gnea | da_bon_bon: oh, that's kde. what makes you think debian is kde? |
| 06:16.50 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: because what you're seeing as /mnt/dev/hdc now is exactly the same thing you'd see as /dev/hdc if udev weren't running |
| 06:17.09 | Gnea | da_bon_bon: it's a theme, you download it and install it, not all themes are .deb'd |
| 06:17.09 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Install a Debian precompiled kernel and see whether it works with that |
| 06:17.26 | Bogaurd | can anyone give me an approx value as to how many watts a p3 800mhz with 4 or 5 hard drives, under low load, no monitor would use? |
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| 06:17.46 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: Hard to tell, because the only other Debian pre compiled kernel I have is 2.4 which doesnt read my hard drive as SATA like 2.6 does. |
| 06:17.55 | Gnea | Bogaurd: i'd toss a 300W on that at least |
| 06:18.08 | Bogaurd | Gnea: really? damn =( |
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| 06:18.21 | dannyp | yes, but you buy a power supply that's capable of supplying your maximum power need |
| 06:18.23 | Gnea | Bogaurd: with that many drives? yeah. |
| 06:18.27 | dannyp | the question of how much will it be using under low load is different |
| 06:18.29 | peterS | Bogaurd: doesn't mean it uses anywhere near 300W - it wouldn't. but a larger power supply gives you more stable power |
| 06:18.37 | Bogaurd | Gnea: i don't mean peak output... i mean what's it gonna chew up on my bill =P |
| 06:18.43 | Bogaurd | yeah |
| 06:18.45 | Wyzard | Bogaurd: I run an 800MHz Athlon with a GeForce6200 (AGP) and five hard drives on a 300W |
| 06:18.54 | Bogaurd | it has a 350 from mem |
| 06:19.04 | Bogaurd | i'm just wondering what the actual load is gonna be |
| 06:19.10 | Bogaurd | on my electricty bill =) |
| 06:19.25 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: Would a cd drive show up under lspci? |
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| 06:19.31 | peterS | Mars|Top: no |
| 06:19.34 | Gnea | Bogaurd: oh that's okay, i just shutdown a compaq proliant raid array the other day, not only will my bill go down, but my place is now generally cooler by about 10 degrees :) |
| 06:19.46 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: no... look in /proc/ide |
| 06:19.53 | Esp1 | one of my ext3 hd's crashed, and when i trie to run fsck -a i get this message "Superblock has ext3 needs_recovery flag set, but no journal." any sugestions? |
| 06:19.55 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: The PIIX controller would, though |
| 06:19.57 | Bogaurd | Gnea: haha =P |
| 06:19.58 | peterS | Bogaurd: depends on the type of hard drives, I suppose - 15000 RPM SCSI will chew significantly more power than 5400 RPM IDE |
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| 06:20.08 | knite | I'm thinking about making my bash prompt different depending on whether I was in "screen" or not. Has anyone done that before? |
| 06:20.11 | Bogaurd | peterS: 7200 ide's |
| 06:20.13 | Mars|Top | ide-disk version 1.18 and ide-cdrom version 4.61 |
| 06:20.17 | peterS | knite: yes, I have |
| 06:20.18 | Non-compliant | how does debian's ifup/down choose which DHCP client to run? |
| 06:20.27 | peterS | knite: hold on a second, let me get you the relevant bits of my .bashrc |
| 06:20.28 | Gnea | it doesn't take standard ATX - it's got 4 extra pins on it - and the separate 4-pin is already separate |
| 06:20.32 | knite | peterS: thanks! |
| 06:20.35 | jm_ | Non-compliant: the documentation lists the order of preference |
| 06:20.40 | Mars|Top | IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller |
| 06:20.42 | Gnea | !tell Non-compliant about interfaces |
| 06:21.02 | Mars|Top | I just used the PIIX because that was the closest I could find. Is there a better driver? |
| 06:21.05 | Bogaurd | so, can anyone give a *ballpark* figure for the power consumption? |
| 06:21.31 | Gnea | Non-compliant: you can specify it there. i usually just remove dhcp-client altogether and install pump and control it via /etc/pump.conf |
| 06:21.34 | peterS | knite: ahh, I already had it handy from a previous occasion telling someone about it last week. http://p12n.org/tmp/bash_prompt |
| 06:21.39 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Oh... the SATA PIIX is something different |
| 06:21.50 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: Eh? |
| 06:21.52 | da_bon_bon | Gnea: my mistake. i need to compile that theme .. wondering whether packages are available ? |
| 06:21.52 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: That driver is for the older, non-SATA ones |
| 06:21.56 | knite | peterS: I knew I wasn't the only thinking about it! |
| 06:21.59 | peterS | knite: the 'promptstatus' function prints the exit status of the last command run, like 'SEGV>' if it terminated with a segmentation fault, etc. |
| 06:22.06 | Mars|Top | Oh. |
| 06:22.18 | Gnea | da_bon_bon: do you see it in apt-cache search lipstick? |
| 06:22.38 | Non-compliant | Gnea: can i specify the client within /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:22.39 | peterS | knite: the '${STY#*.}:$WINDOW' gives the screen "name" and window number. I name my screen sessions with 'screen -S mutt' for example, for the screen session containing my mail readers |
| 06:22.44 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: I don't know the name of the driver you need, but it's not ata_piix |
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| 06:22.56 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: Would I want CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR ? |
| 06:23.05 | Mars|Top | It is the SCSI cd rom option |
| 06:23.06 | Gnea | Non-compliant: there's a manpage for that file, better read it |
| 06:23.09 | da_bon_bon | nothing, Gnea .. seems that i will compile it |
| 06:23.22 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: and btw, I've been told by a friend (I don't own any SATA hardware myself) that ATAPI devices (such as CD drives) on SATA currently don't work in Linux |
| 06:23.23 | knite | peterS: I name'em too. Hmm... do you have screen automatically startup when you logon? |
| 06:23.39 | peterS | knite: nah, I start 4 or 5 screens manually when I boot |
| 06:23.49 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: How does the Linux installer work then? |
| 06:24.00 | peterS | then connect to appropriate ones also manually, using 'screen -x mutt' or 'screen -x irc' or whatever |
| 06:24.05 | knite | peterS: so if you log, you manually reconnect to your sessions |
| 06:24.11 | peterS | yeah |
| 06:24.27 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR is for SCSI CD-ROM drives... though I understand the SATA support is in the SCSI section, so maybe that would be needed |
| 06:24.29 | bob2 | jm_: hm, where? i can't see it in the netbase or ifupdown docs |
| 06:24.38 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: And that's a good question... I'm just repeating what I was told by someone else |
| 06:24.39 | peterS | I always keep particular screen sessions on particular virtual consoles, so I can easily find them with Alt-F4 or Alt-F8 or whatever |
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| 06:24.49 | knite | peterS: I made the silly mistake of putting screen in my .bash_profile and getting myself an infinite loop. :P |
| 06:24.56 | peterS | knite: oh dear (: |
| 06:25.04 | Guerin | knite: heh |
| 06:25.10 | peterS | knite: I suppose you learned your lesson about checking for existence of $STY..... |
| 06:25.14 | jm_ | bob2: man interfaces |
| 06:25.19 | knite | bash -> screen -> bash -> screen -> ad nauseam |
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| 06:25.30 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: You could install a precompiled 2.6 kernel, btw... |
| 06:25.41 | peterS | knite: note that 'screen' inside screen doesn't launch a new one, just opens a new window. but for your purpose there, that's just as bad |
| 06:25.47 | bob2 | jm_: ah, right, thanks |
| 06:25.52 | knite | peterS: yup. :) |
| 06:26.02 | kreg | anyone know of dreamweaver for win32 clients can connect via sftp to sshd on sarge? |
| 06:26.06 | kreg | can't seem to make it happen |
| 06:26.09 | karl | I have a postgres database. I need a RAD so I can make an iterface to it. The interface is going to be realy simple. Is there a package in debian for that. Do not want to spend time for building the interface on php or somthing else. I was planning to use openoffice for the interface - but it is buggy (( |
| 06:26.13 | Gijs` | kreg: It can connect. |
| 06:26.17 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: I couldnt install with a precompiled 2.6 kernel. I figure I probably can't use one either |
| 06:26.21 | kreg | Gijs`, got any advise? |
| 06:26.44 | Gijs` | kreg: I never had to do any hacks for it. Which version of Dreamweaver are you using ? |
| 06:26.48 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: I've heard of sarge's 2.6.8 packages not supporting some SATA controllers... maybe grab a newer one from testing |
| 06:26.49 | kreg | Gijs`, i can make putty and winscp connect to the sshd from the same client, but not dreamweaver |
| 06:26.52 | peterS | knite: anyway, current prompt looks like: "1>wire(irc:1):/tmp $" - 1> means my last command returned an exit status of 1, wire is my hostname, irc is my 'screen' name, and it's window 1 (window 0 of that screen is irssi itself) |
| 06:26.55 | kreg | Gijs`, 8 |
| 06:26.56 | knite | peterS: I'll have to look into making my screen sessions appear on virtual consoles... |
| 06:27.11 | bob2 | karl: zope3 makes that sort of thing if you know python and are willing to put some time into it now |
| 06:27.13 | peterS | knite: I suppose you could launch them directly from /etc/inittab, if you wanted |
| 06:27.15 | bob2 | karl: or ruby on rails, I gather |
| 06:27.16 | Non-compliant | so, 'man interfaces' specifies the order of precedence, but says nothing about changing it - is there a way to do so? |
| 06:27.36 | jm_ | Non-compliant: install just the one you want to use |
| 06:27.36 | Gijs` | kreg: Does it support SFTP connections ? |
| 06:27.40 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: I can't help you much with that issue, since I have no SATA experience myself... but at least you know the cause of your problem and what needs to be done, in general, to fix it |
| 06:27.44 | kreg | Gijs`, yes |
| 06:27.50 | Gijs` | kreg: There are some debug settings for SSHD as I recall. |
| 06:27.55 | jm_ | and it also tells how to specify it: |
| 06:27.56 | jm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.56 | jm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.00 | kreg | Gijs`, however it doesn't supply enought debug information for me to figure out why it fails |
| 06:28.01 | Gijs` | You could set them and check what's the problem. |
| 06:28.06 | Gijs` | Hm .. |
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| 06:28.14 | karl | bob2: I would prefer somthing for mouse clicking and to get it ready in an hour |
| 06:28.14 | jm_ | you should read the entire man page, not just skim through it |
| 06:28.22 | Gijs` | kreg: did -d -d -d ? |
| 06:28.42 | knite | peterS: do you launch screen INTO various VCs, or log into each VC and connect to screen? I guess the former? |
| 06:28.50 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: Ok, after reading up. Apparently the CD-drive is on parallel ata and the HD is on serial ata |
| 06:29.00 | kreg | Gijs`, are you talking about server side debuging? |
| 06:29.01 | peterS | knite: the latter, actually |
| 06:29.14 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: so ata_piix should work right? |
| 06:29.24 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Then the CD drive is not on that SATA PIIX controller... use lspci to find out what kind of PATA controller you have |
| 06:29.27 | Non-compliant | jm_: 'client client_id' is an option passed to dhcpcd/udhcpc, not a specification of the program to run |
| 06:29.44 | Non-compliant | im not using dhcpcd/udhcpc |
| 06:29.50 | stew | cripes, i'm getting a google talk invitation every half hour from someone who thinks i'm a korean boy that goes to her jr. high school |
| 06:29.51 | Gijs` | kreg: Yes. |
| 06:29.52 | peterS | knite: well, since this is a single-user machine, I just stay logged in all the time, and usually I create the screen session directly in the VC where it will live. so 'screen -S foo' rather than 'screen -x foo'. but that's a minor detail |
| 06:30.00 | bob2 | karl: you're probably screwed then |
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| 06:30.19 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Having a SATA PIIX does not necessarily (or even probably) mean that your PATA controller is a PIIX |
| 06:30.59 | knite | peterS: I see. Yeah, I would have to grant my user permission to the VC and find out how to make screen use them... |
| 06:31.10 | kreg | Gijs`, i'm not sure how to do a -d -d -d. sshd starts using the init.d scripts. |
| 06:31.15 | Mars|Top | Wyzard: Device Drivers-> ATA/ATAPI-> PIIX is PATA right? |
| 06:31.22 | peterS | Mars|Top: yes |
| 06:31.24 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: yes |
| 06:31.36 | Mars|Top | That is what I have in the kernel. |
| 06:31.38 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: But unless you actually have one of those, that's useless to you |
| 06:31.38 | knite | hmm.... I wonder if I can just chsh to screen? hehe |
| 06:31.42 | jm_ | Non-compliant: right, I see it in sources now, I suppose the only way is to do it the way I mentioned earlier |
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| 06:31.53 | peterS | Mars|Top: Device Drivers -> SCSI -> low-level -> SATA -> Intel would be what you're looking for, I guess |
| 06:31.56 | maher | Non-compliant: doesn't it just run /sbin/dhclient |
| 06:32.09 | peterS | Mars|Top: well, I paraphrased, but you should be able to find it from that |
| 06:32.35 | Gijs` | kreg: You can stop sshd with init.d and just call it like this: |
| 06:32.38 | Gijs` | # sshd -d -d -d |
| 06:32.47 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: As I said, just because you have a SATA PIIX doesn't necessarily mean you have a PATA PIIX, so don't assume that ata_piix is the PATA driver you need |
| 06:32.49 | Mars|Top | peterS: No I don't think it is. Because HD is on first SATA IDE while CD is on PATA IDE |
| 06:32.52 | Wyzard | Mars|Top: Use lspci to find out what you have |
| 06:33.01 | Mars|Top | Its a laptop. |
| 06:33.05 | Mars|Top | It should really be the same. |
| 06:33.13 | Mars|Top | At least thats what I figured. |
| 06:33.21 | Wyzard | Not necessarily |
| 06:33.25 | peterS | Mars|Top: I *think* the Intel SATA driver also supports PATA ports. I'm not sure though. |
| 06:33.37 | Wyzard | At any rate, rather than guessing here, run lspci and find out |
| 06:33.54 | kreg | Gijs`, that's awesome. i'll look through this and see if i can find anything. |
| 06:34.18 | Gijs` | kreg: Wait. You do have console access ? |
| 06:34.24 | Gijs` | In case something goes wrong. |
| 06:34.27 | kreg | Gijs`, yes. |
| 06:34.37 | Mars|Top | peterS Wyzard : Thanks for the help. But I am going to call it a night. |
| 06:35.03 | peterS | Mars|Top: as he said, just run 'lspci' and get it over with. then you'll *know* if your PATA and SATA chips are both ICH-based, or what |
| 06:35.20 | Non-compliant | maher: That's a good question... all the info I've yet found simply gives the order of precedence |
| 06:35.24 | Mars|Top | peterS: I did that. But I don't see anything that looks like PATA |
| 06:35.31 | Mars|Top | Only 1 IDE controller |
| 06:35.44 | peterS | Mars|Top: IDE is PATA. does it also mention a SATA chip? |
| 06:35.44 | Mars|Top | and 1 ISA controller. |
| 06:35.59 | peterS | you mean ISA bridge? |
| 06:36.02 | Mars|Top | 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller |
| 06:36.08 | Mars|Top | Yes ISA bridge. |
| 06:36.10 | nvz | damn it is 2:30 |
| 06:36.20 | peterS | Mars|Top: ahh, yeah, I think the ICH6M probably has the PATA ports on it too then |
| 06:36.47 | nvz | I was suppose to start a job this morning, but the idiots called me back and canceled now I am on a fucked up schedule for no reason again |
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| 06:36.52 | nvz | I hate when people do that |
| 06:36.57 | kreg | Gijs`, heh, well i see the prob i "think". wanna take a look? |
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| 06:37.41 | maher | Non-compliant: oh - just edit the source - its probably some hard coedd case statement |
| 06:38.05 | jm_ | hmm sorry for being offtopic, but which is correct: "East Asia languages" or "Eastern Asia languages"? |
| 06:38.08 | Non-compliant | maher: it may come down to that, unfortunately |
| 06:38.28 | Gijs` | kreg: Ok. |
| 06:38.32 | nvz | I _was_ waking up about this time or a little later every day. I adjusted my schedule so I could work through the morning until 8am then sleep and now I dont have to work and my schedule is fucked up for no reason :-/ |
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| 06:38.50 | Non-compliant | kind of silly in the face of something that could be specified in a config file |
| 06:38.50 | bob2 | Non-compliant: why do you want to have more than one DHCP client installed? |
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| 06:39.02 | nvz | my body is angry with my judgement |
| 06:39.03 | jm_ | Non-compliant: you can always enhance it |
| 06:39.13 | nvz | but what else is new :P |
| 06:40.02 | maher | jm_: noa? |
| 06:40.06 | Non-compliant | bob2: why should DHCP clients be selected any different than other programs? its not exactly critical, but it would be nice to have several installed - ive had DHCP problems that were fixed (at least temporarily) by just trying another client |
| 06:40.20 | Non-compliant | jm_: i may very well do so |
| 06:40.31 | bob2 | Non-compliant: I'm sure a patch would be accepted |
| 06:40.37 | jm_ | maher: heh, what do you mean? |
| 06:40.44 | kreg | Gijs`, look for the msg, i pasted it there |
| 06:40.49 | maher | Non-compliant: it probably never occured to aj that people would want multiple clients installed simultaneiously - send him a patch... |
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| 06:41.12 | maher | jm_: do you want east asian languages, or east asia's languages? |
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| 06:41.33 | Non-compliant | maher: do you think it might be better to just symlink /sbin/dhclient or /sbin/dhclient3 ? |
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| 06:42.06 | deadcat | if lprng works with the printer i have, do i keep that or go to cups? |
| 06:42.08 | maher | Non-compliant: sure - that's a quick work aournd and will probably work |
| 06:42.30 | jm_ | maher: I guess the former - thanks |
| 06:42.46 | Gijs` | kreg: Maybe someone else has experience with this log. I can't see the problem. |
| 06:42.57 | kreg | Gijs`, thank you |
| 06:43.23 | k-man | is there a way to make makefiles time the built time? |
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| 06:43.41 | deadcat | k-man: you can just time make |
| 06:43.49 | k-man | oh |
| 06:43.50 | nvz | or run watch |
| 06:43.50 | peterS | k-man: you could run '@date' at the beginning and end of the ruleset |
| 06:43.51 | k-man | good point |
| 06:44.31 | peterS | but 'time make' is usually a better way |
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| 06:44.49 | k-man | ok |
| 06:44.50 | k-man | thanks peters |
| 06:44.54 | bob2 | strap it into bootlog! |
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| 06:45.38 | daos | I have just changed from direct broadband to pppoe and now some of my DNAT rules are not working |
| 06:46.11 | daos | has anyone got any suggestions, I have recreated the rules with the correct interface (ppp0) but some work and some don't |
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| 06:46.46 | mage | hmm is there anything in here to do an rfc search? |
| 06:46.48 | deadcat | if lprng works with the printer i have, do i keep that or go to cups? |
| 06:46.55 | bob2 | keep it |
| 06:47.00 | nvz | daos: not that I have any clue what you are talking about, but examples of working and not working as well as explicit definitions of "working" are required to process that issue. |
| 06:47.05 | mage | I'm wondering if theres an rfc or spec for vcard 1.0 |
| 06:47.06 | bob2 | daos: you might need to enable the dynaddr thing |
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| 06:47.21 | bob2 | mage: don't think dpkg does that, google's usually good tho |
| 06:47.27 | deadcat | bob2: it can print webpages with lprng right? like click print in oo.org or just lpr blah? |
| 06:47.28 | Bogaurd | hey, can anyone tell me if cups can use networked printers (ie. on a printserver)? |
| 06:47.37 | bob2 | deadcat: yes |
| 06:47.39 | peterS | Bogaurd: certainly it can |
| 06:47.40 | bob2 | Bogaurd: sure |
| 06:47.41 | deadcat | cool |
| 06:47.42 | daos | bob2: what is the dynaddr thing? |
| 06:47.47 | bob2 | Bogaurd: the point of cups is to do IPP |
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| 06:47.56 | Bogaurd | excellent! |
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| 06:48.05 | daos | nvz: working mean that some rules are doing DNAT and other are not |
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| 06:48.22 | bob2 | daos: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr |
| 06:48.22 | sandman | Does anyone know how to get a 19-year-old mother to give up her 7-month old baby to come have children with you, instead? |
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| 06:48.32 | bob2 | daos: or so a iptables tutorial once told me |
| 06:48.38 | sandman | Wrong chan again yay |
| 06:48.41 | bob2 | sandman: this seems annoying and unrelated to Debian |
| 06:48.47 | Bogaurd | what i'm looking at doing is using SMB/CUPS to print to a laser printer connected to the LAN, but i don't want to print directly from the clients - i want to make sure only valid users can print. |
| 06:48.51 | sandman | bob2: Indeed. |
| 06:49.04 | peterS | sandman: not to mention evil |
| 06:49.08 | Bogaurd | sound possible? |
| 06:49.25 | jm_ | yeah the netfilter docs about NAT mention this - you should use DNAT with static addresses and MASQUERADE with dynamic |
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| 06:49.31 | daos | bob2: thanks, I will give it a try |
| 06:49.49 | bob2 | ah |
| 06:49.50 | bob2 | that too |
| 06:50.46 | sandman | She did it out of wedlock |
| 06:50.53 | sandman | And with a scumbag. Anyway, I'm going to bed. gnite |
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| 06:51.37 | daos | jm_: do you mean static addresses on the internal side or the real world side? |
| 06:51.47 | jm_ | daos: the latter |
| 06:52.00 | nvz | sandman: "Have you ever been to a really loud party? I mean a good loud party where the music is playing too loud and everybody is talking too loudly and in order to be heard even by the person standing right next to you, you've got to be screaming at the top of your lungs." ... |
| 06:52.17 | daos | jm_: thakns :), I do have a static address |
| 06:52.32 | nvz | sandman: "But every now and then at a party,it seems as though everyone shuts up at about the same time. And only your voice...can be heard. Right! I know! I know! Well, what I'm going to do, I'm going to have my testicles laminated." -- George Carlin |
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| 06:53.13 | sandman | lol Nice. |
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| 06:53.22 | sandman | I was going to sleep, but can't. Who needs help with debian |
| 06:53.34 | da_bon_bon | who runs dpkg ? |
| 06:53.44 | nvz | happened to me too recently, I typed my user password in here by accident cause I have enter-only focus on this window and synergy running |
| 06:54.03 | bob2 | da_bon_bon: the bot? dondelelcaro |
| 06:54.09 | da_bon_bon | ok, bob2 |
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| 06:55.08 | nvz | da_bon_bon: you could have asked dpkg |
| 06:55.13 | daos | I don't get this at all, I can serve on IRC via DNAT to my internal windows system, but I can't use http on the same windows system from the real world |
| 06:55.22 | da_bon_bon | lol nvz , ok |
| 06:55.23 | nvz | dpkg, who owns you? |
| 06:55.24 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 06:55.50 | bob2 | daos: I think you missed some words |
| 06:55.52 | jm_ | daos: that's because the IRC helper ipt plugin does it for you |
| 06:55.53 | EdLin | dpkg, who 0wnz u? |
| 06:56.03 | bob2 | daos: you're trying to forward ports 80 and 6666 in to a windows machine? |
| 06:56.43 | daos | bob2: yeah 80 mainly |
| 06:57.12 | nvz | that leetspeak is so lame.. these kids are nieve to say the least if they think real hackers or coders are morons like they are. |
| 06:57.19 | peterS | daos: sounds like your real problem is "help! I have a web server running on Windows, how do I migrate it to Debian?" |
| 06:57.28 | EdLin | nvz: </sarcasm> |
| 06:57.29 | Guerin | nieve? isn't she an actor? |
| 06:57.38 | daos | bob2: I forward specific ports for mIRC |
| 06:57.39 | mage | dood think of leetspeak as entertainment |
| 06:57.40 | nvz | could be |
| 06:57.50 | Guerin | daos: s/web server/irc client/ |
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| 06:58.00 | daos | peterS: already know how to do that |
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| 06:58.01 | llama32 | what's the executable for qt designer? |
| 06:58.21 | Guerin | llama32: dpkg -L whateverpackage |grep bin |
| 06:58.49 | daos | peterS: doen't help with remote desktop to a windows system |
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| 06:59.19 | EdLin | mage: it's entertaining in *very* small doses. Mostly in making fun of it. |
| 06:59.21 | nvz | I guess I should have sait naive but I am a yinzer. |
| 06:59.36 | daos | cause I need to use DNAT to do that |
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| 07:00.00 | Fred21 | Hello |
| 07:00.07 | Fred21 | is it a french channel of debian?. |
| 07:00.15 | EdLin | !fr |
| 07:00.15 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 07:00.17 | max_ | Is there a better channel to ask advanced routing/networking questions? |
| 07:00.29 | nvz | I forgot everyone in the world doesnt call rilly rilly big things Uge, and that not everyone has seen an allegheney whitefish. |
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| 07:00.33 | Fred21 | thank you very much |
| 07:00.36 | jm_ | max_: the advanced routing wbe page lists the IRC channel |
| 07:00.38 | Fred21 | have a nice day!!! |
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| 07:00.38 | mwilson | So... don't install X -8, then? |
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| 07:00.45 | bob2 | max_: #lartc on irc.oftc.net |
| 07:01.43 | daos | so any ideas anyone? |
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| 07:01.50 | max_ | Aaah, I had only gone there for the howto...I'd missed the irc info there... |
| 07:01.52 | max_ | Thanks |
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| 07:01.54 | max_ | Later |
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| 07:07.43 | dregan_ | I have a real problem, I can browse and ping anthing on the internet from my lan - but if I try to ping or browse to my ip/web I get nowhere - www.realtek.net.au 202.164.198.116 - I have not altered my adsl routers settings - however I have been playing around with my dns 24 hous ago! |
| 07:08.24 | xelam | that site doesn't work |
| 07:08.29 | spb_nick | Excuse me, why there is no more kernel-image-2.6.11 packages? Is it because there was some problems with them? And when should I expect 2.6.11 or later kernel to appear in the repositories again? Thanks :) |
| 07:08.38 | Guerin | dregan_: what's your nameserver's TTL? |
| 07:08.58 | mwilson | spb_nick: Run unstable, but don't read d-u, huh? |
| 07:09.01 | Guerin | spb_nick: replaced by linux-image-2.6.12-*, I believe |
| 07:09.04 | dregan_ | I will have to check - please hang on |
| 07:09.49 | spb_nick | mwilson: oh, my bad. yes, this is the case. though I only use apt-pinning on stable. |
| 07:10.08 | dregan_ | Guerin: 3600 secs |
| 07:10.11 | mwilson | Translation... you run unstable. |
| 07:10.11 | yacyac | will a package gets downloaded twice or installed twice ? |
| 07:10.22 | xelam | yacyac: what? |
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| 07:11.31 | yacyac | xelam i am using aptitude .. i gues pressed g to downlaod a package ... but i dont think that package is getting downloaded .. as it is downloading something on its own |
| 07:11.41 | yacyac | damn how do i explain |
| 07:11.51 | Guerin | yacyac: don't worry, it |
| 07:11.54 | Guerin | 'll be fine |
| 07:12.01 | peterS | yacyac: you have to hit 'g' once then it gives you a confirmation screen showing everything it is going to upgrade or remove or install, then you hit 'g' again |
| 07:12.05 | spb_nick | Guerin: Wow! So they got renamed! May be I should subscribe to d-u, still. Thanks :) |
| 07:12.12 | peterS | yacyac: on the confirmation screen, does it show the packages you expected? |
| 07:12.33 | yacyac | last night i did base-config .. over there i started the download for desktop enviroment ... |
| 07:12.41 | spb_nick | mwilson: thanks |
| 07:12.45 | Guerin | yacyac: dialup? |
| 07:13.25 | yacyac | but i guess today morning it got finished and it got me to MTA config.. |
| 07:13.50 | yacyac | Guerin nop .. but the speed is similar to dailup in day and sometime it goes high in night |
| 07:14.44 | Bogaurd | Guess what everyone. It is prohibited to post postcards to irag, as i just found out. =\ |
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| 07:15.29 | daos | am I missing something from this rule for a pppoe connection? iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING 2 -p tcp --dport 3388 -i ppp0 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.11:3388 |
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| 07:17.00 | NiklasH_work | daos: do you get an error? |
| 07:17.28 | daos | NiklasH_work: no it just won't forward the port to my internal system |
| 07:18.18 | NiklasH_work | i think the DNAT part should be --to-destination |
| 07:18.25 | NiklasH_work | not just -to |
| 07:18.33 | NiklasH_work | that's what I use, anyway |
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| 07:19.04 | syntaxx | any site for compiling/customizing a new kernel in debian way? |
| 07:19.04 | daos | NiklasH_work: ok will give that a try ;) |
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| 07:19.39 | beti10 | where do you live |
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| 07:19.57 | yacyac | aptitude resumes if i cancel it in the middle ? |
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| 07:20.38 | Guerin | !wayc syntaxx |
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| 07:20.39 | dpkg | syntaxx: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 07:20.49 | nkuttler_ | yacyac: in the middle of what? |
| 07:21.00 | yacyac | download |
| 07:21.32 | nvz | --to-destination is what it says in the manual. mentions nothing of a --to option |
| 07:21.46 | daos | man this makes no sense at alllllllllllll, why would 5 ports forward with DNAT but nothing else will |
| 07:22.29 | Guerin | daos: #iptables |
| 07:22.45 | Guerin | daos: but you're right - that doesn't sound like it makes sense. |
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| 07:23.18 | daos | Guerin: thanks man, give that chan a go :DD |
| 07:23.18 | servus | daos: iptables -t nat -L -n |
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| 07:23.28 | nkuttler | yacyac: it should |
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| 07:23.29 | servus | daos: http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 07:23.50 | yacyac | no special commands right for resuming |
| 07:24.36 | spb_nick | mwilson: sorry, one more tiny question: what did you mean under "d-u", precisely? thanks :) |
| 07:24.49 | daos | servus: I did that, do I need to do something else? |
| 07:25.10 | oxyz_ | quit |
| 07:25.27 | nkuttler | yacyac: in the worst case you'll lose the package you're just downloading, not more. |
| 07:25.54 | nkuttler | yacyac: but i think i have seen it resume downloads |
| 07:26.08 | syntaxx | Guerin, how to use apt-get downloading a new kernel? |
| 07:26.11 | yacyac | ok |
| 07:26.14 | yacyac | kool |
| 07:26.17 | yacyac | thanx alot |
| 07:26.28 | Guerin | syntaxx: what branch of debian? |
| 07:26.35 | syntaxx | Guerin, sarge |
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| 07:27.04 | syntaxx | Guerin, im on 2.6.8-2 whats the latest kernel? |
| 07:27.04 | Guerin | syntaxx: you can use a kernel from etch or sid if 2.6.8 is not new enough for you. |
| 07:27.19 | Guerin | syntaxx: etch has 2.6.12 - check packages.debian.org |
| 07:27.26 | syntaxx | ok |
| 07:27.29 | syntaxx | thanks |
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| 07:28.04 | syntaxx | Guerin, have u tried bootsplash? cant get it to work.. thats why im trying to recompile my kernel |
| 07:28.17 | Guerin | bootsplash is a waste of time |
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| 07:28.22 | Guerin | it's bloody hard to get working |
| 07:28.26 | Guerin | !splashy |
| 07:28.27 | dpkg | i guess splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. |
| 07:28.28 | liable | try a vanilla source. |
| 07:28.34 | Guerin | try that instead ^^^ |
| 07:28.48 | syntaxx | ok |
| 07:29.07 | deadcat | just get splashy |
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| 07:30.24 | syntaxx | Guerin, splashy is in testing or unstable? |
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| 07:30.39 | nvz | syntaxx: neither |
| 07:30.48 | syntaxx | ok |
| 07:30.50 | syntaxx | thanks |
| 07:30.53 | |Mark| | gday everyone |
| 07:30.55 | nvz | syntaxx: as dpkg said, its in experimental |
| 07:31.32 | syntaxx | nvz: because im trying to apt-cache search splashy but it doesnt show anything |
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| 07:31.41 | liable | its in sid now innit? |
| 07:31.49 | liable | !info splashy |
| 07:31.59 | liable | maybe not. |
| 07:32.08 | syntaxx | nvz, thats why i asked if its on unstable sources or testing so i can add it on sources.list |
| 07:32.23 | nvz | dpkg splashy |
| 07:32.23 | dpkg | it has been said that splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. |
| 07:32.29 | nvz | again for the cheap seats |
| 07:32.47 | nvz | which syntaxx and liable seem to be sitting in :P |
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| 07:33.16 | nvz | dpkg, experimental |
| 07:33.16 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 07:33.29 | syntaxx | hehe |
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| 07:34.34 | nvz | ideally what I need is like sim city 2000 or something.. I just want to make a map type thing |
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| 07:35.08 | mylanta | g'day |
| 07:35.10 | asperon-work | hi, i have a network with debian boxes setup, and they auth via a pdc server using winbind and pam. The only thing missing is mounting the users /home via samba to their homedir on the pdc, how do i arrange that? somebody mentioned automount, would that work? |
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| 07:36.23 | nvz | thats $HOME not /home |
| 07:36.31 | asperon-work | nvz: right |
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| 07:36.54 | nvz | and why cant you just put them in fstab like every other filesystem on the system |
| 07:37.17 | asperon-work | nvz: since they need to use the right path, passwd and username |
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| 07:37.32 | mylanta | What app do I install to enable participation in an educational netmeeting (t120)? |
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| 07:38.53 | nvz | asperon-work: whats that got to do with why you can't use them in the fstab? |
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| 07:39.28 | HaNazir | how do i create a hidden user? |
| 07:39.29 | smartbhai | i get a segmentation fault when i try to install debian sarge 3.1 .. when i boot from the first cd it stops at busybox .. and shows the copy syntax and shows segmentaion fault |
| 07:39.31 | asperon-work | nvz: since its unique for each user, ie, the path etc, or? maybe i am missing something here?! |
| 07:39.41 | eXa_bOy | is ncurse-devel still a valid package? |
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| 07:40.02 | bibe | smartbhai : try booting with 'linux26' |
| 07:40.05 | mylanta_ | sorry, I lost the internet connection. I will repeat the question. |
| 07:40.08 | mylanta_ | What app do I install to enable participation in an educational netmeeting (t120)? |
| 07:40.13 | nvz | asperon-work: oh right, and all other paths in fstab are exactly the same ? |
| 07:40.16 | eXa_bOy | ncurses-devel |
| 07:40.17 | caphuso | HaNazir: a what? |
| 07:40.26 | nvz | somehow all lines in my fstab are unique |
| 07:40.29 | bibe | smartbhai : then, if linux26 fails, with 'linux26 noapic nolapic' |
| 07:40.29 | caphuso | eXa_bOy: libncurses5-dev |
| 07:40.35 | asperon-work | nvz: no, but they are not different for each user?! |
| 07:40.38 | eXa_bOy | thank you |
| 07:40.49 | nvz | asperon-work: you mount all user homedirs?! |
| 07:41.08 | Fleck | is there out a tool, that will change text 'abc' in files that are in /dir to 'cba' ? |
| 07:41.20 | nvz | asperon-work: i.e. you want //server/foo /home/foo and //server/bar /home/bar all mounted |
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| 07:41.32 | asperon-work | nvz: the dirs are on a samba pdc, i want to mount the current users dir as /home, to ease the saving of settings and fileaccess etc |
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| 07:41.42 | smartbhai | bibe; ok ill try that .. and will be back |
| 07:41.54 | asperon-work | i want //server/homes/<username> mounted as /home/<username> |
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| 07:42.05 | caphuso | Fleck: plenty. perl/sed/awk/python/... |
| 07:42.11 | bibe | smartbhai : ok, hope to see you soon |
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| 07:42.33 | yacyac | debain works fine on laptop ? |
| 07:42.35 | nvz | asperon-work: I fail to understand. you are not trying to mount all homes simultaniously? |
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| 07:42.44 | EdLin | !debain |
| 07:42.45 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 07:42.47 | asperon-work | nvz: no, just the current users home dir |
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| 07:42.59 | yacyac | i mean do i need to mod the kernel to get stuff working on it |
| 07:43.07 | Fleck | caphuso can you give me a sample? |
| 07:43.11 | sceig | Is it possible to set up a linux host A as the NTP master for a network ? please, note that the network is totally isolated. host A CAN'T have a ntp master) |
| 07:43.21 | caphuso | Fleck: perl -pi.bak -e 's/abc/cba/g' * |
| 07:43.28 | nvz | asperon-work: and even so what does that have to do with them not being in fstab :P use the noauto if you dont want them all mounted and call up the mount /home/user when they login |
| 07:43.39 | caphuso | nvz: call up from where? |
| 07:43.47 | nvz | asperon-work: you keep saying current user as if systems arent multiuser |
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| 07:43.59 | nvz | caphuso: I have no idea what he's talking about |
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| 07:44.14 | Fleck | caphuso many thanks :)) |
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| 07:44.20 | asperon-work | nvz: yes, but each user should just see their own home dir, so for each user only one dir would be mounted |
| 07:44.25 | caphuso | nvz: he wants to automatically mount the samba share that belongs to the user that's logging in |
| 07:44.32 | caphuso | as the users ~ |
| 07:44.38 | asperon-work | yes |
| 07:44.43 | asperon-work | caphuso: : exactly |
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| 07:44.55 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there command to rewrite a text file from <cr><lf> to <lf>? |
| 07:45.01 | caphuso | mkl1525: dos2unix |
| 07:45.06 | nvz | how or why is this any different or more desireable than just haing these homedirs mounter all the time? |
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| 07:45.35 | mkl1525 | caphuso, thanks |
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| 07:46.01 | caphuso | nvz: he has a fileserver full of shares //foo/nvz, //foo/caphuso, etc. and when nvz logs in //foo/nvz should be mounted at /home/nvz, and when caphuso logs in, then //foo/caphuso should be mounted as /home/caphuso |
| 07:46.43 | nvz | caphuso: and why cant /home/nvz and /home/caphuso be mounted at boot like they really are on our systems? |
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| 07:46.55 | asperon-work | yes, and it should auth with the current username/password to, so that you get a single sign on feature, just like windows does it =) |
| 07:47.01 | caphuso | nvz: imagine 500 users... you really want 500 samba shares mounted all the time? |
| 07:47.11 | nvz | no probably not |
| 07:47.43 | caphuso | nvz: and if they log in at let's say 20 different boxes, do want them to be mounted at all of them? 10000 mounts? |
| 07:47.49 | nvz | he made me think there was only one user at any given time which confused me even more |
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| 07:48.20 | asperon-work | nvz: sorry for being unspecific |
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| 07:48.28 | nvz | I am understanding now. I dont understand the windows talk |
| 07:48.46 | nvz | I thought the underlying problem was samba credentials |
| 07:48.51 | asperon-work | nvz: its the same as home dirs via pdc/samba are handled under windows, thats all |
| 07:48.56 | asperon-work | nvz: it is |
| 07:48.57 | nvz | and thats well documented |
| 07:49.00 | asperon-work | oh |
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| 07:49.44 | |Mark| | hey guys, i have a 'cannot execute binary file' problem, but its chmodded to 0777 and im running as root; can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 07:49.54 | asperon-work | do i dare to ask for a pointer were to find that information? |
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| 07:50.04 | killer | hi |
| 07:50.22 | nvz | The linux manual pages, section 8, smbmount |
| 07:50.27 | asperon-work | thnx |
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| 07:50.51 | nvz | talks about supplying alternate credentials other than the username and password options |
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| 07:52.15 | nvz | I am unfamiliar with the pdc/samba idea and anything related to windows. I dare not think of trying to mimic any of the worst behaviors of windows. |
| 07:52.20 | nvz | dpkg, windows |
| 07:52.20 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows they don't work. |
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| 07:52.48 | asperon-work | =) |
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| 07:53.18 | nvz | dpkg windows =~ s/Windows/Windows(R)/ |
| 07:53.19 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
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| 07:54.27 | nvz | oh well I might as well go to bed no work to do and my body rather be laying down its making me irritable |
| 07:54.32 | ircdevil | oh dear. mum just called. mum & aunt are comming over ... |
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| 07:54.39 | mylanta_ | is it possible to participate in a "t120" nettmeeting using linux. |
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| 07:54.50 | nvz | ircdevil: could be worse. could be inlaws or something |
| 07:54.58 | Eclipser | ircdevil, now playing Three dead trolls in a baggie - mom's coming to my house? |
| 07:55.10 | ircdevil | quick. remove pr0n. dirty dishes into fridge. expunge old used condoms. |
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| 07:55.16 | Eclipser | :p |
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| 07:55.48 | ircdevil | sod it. fridge already full of dirty dishes |
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| 07:55.58 | jeph | hello all. How do I create a virtual printer in cups that will dump postscript to one specific file everytime I print to it? |
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| 07:56.03 | nvz | in my family its how do you say.. .. umm, customary.. to open someone's fridge when you walk in the house. |
| 07:56.05 | nvz | that would never work. |
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| 07:56.33 | ircdevil | nvz: dirty dishis in fridge lasta longer before starting to smell |
| 07:56.38 | |Mark| | hey guys, i have a 'cannot execute binary file' problem, but its chmodded to 0777 and im running as root; can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 07:56.57 | nvz | I don't know why they all do it, but they do. anyone that comes over looks in the fridge. I dont know if they are even hungry or if they just wonder what we keep in there. |
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| 07:57.06 | kneet | nvz, more interested in how that _custom_ started :) |
| 07:57.10 | tarzeau | |Mark|: can you paste what you type in the shell here? |
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| 07:57.19 | tarzeau | |Mark|: could it be mounted noexec? |
| 07:57.22 | nvz | kneet: who knows. everyone does it. |
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| 07:57.30 | |Mark| | ./vncpassswd lol |
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| 07:57.39 | bibe | |Mark| : one of the possibilities is that the binary is in a partition mounted noexec |
| 07:57.42 | ircdevil | nvz: its perhaps like you can tell a persons personality be the look of his shoes. same goes for house/keeping and fridges? |
| 07:57.45 | tarzeau | |Mark|: what says ls -la ./vncpassswd ? |
| 07:57.57 | bibe | ops... tarzeau already said it |
| 07:58.08 | Eclipser | !lose bibe |
| 07:58.09 | dpkg | bibe: You Lose. |
| 07:58.10 | ircdevil | nvz: or someone is taking a nutritional interesting in you |
| 07:58.14 | |Mark| | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 20776 2005-10-06 16:54 vncpasswd |
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| 07:58.35 | VoS | hi |
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| 07:58.48 | nvz | probably wondering why they are all fat, and I can't gain weight if I try |
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| 07:58.57 | |Mark| | see that tarzeau? lol |
| 07:59.30 | ircdevil | nvz: you should become an amarican then :o) 90 are obese (saw that in new scientist the other day) |
| 07:59.39 | ircdevil | 90% even |
| 07:59.50 | VoS | i currently have a windows server 2003, its however being dumb , and crashing for no apparent reason.. so ive decided to try a linux type os, Debian is what some people have told me to try , i however have no experience using command line OS how hard is it to learn? |
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| 08:00.16 | nvz | I was actually at 183lbs this evening. I am trying to get up to 185. I started doing light lifting already but havent began any steady weight training. I want to start working out again daily but it usually causes me to loose 40lbs or more and I about 6ft tall so I should actually be about the weight I am right now. |
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| 08:00.28 | ircdevil | newest fashion -> the american lard suit -> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8096 |
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| 08:00.35 | VoS | what i want to do with server is , webserver with php mysql , ftp and vlan |
| 08:00.35 | nvz | I was around 130lbs this time last year |
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| 08:00.41 | tarzeau | |Mark|: what says head -1 ./vncpasswd ? |
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| 08:01.00 | jeph | hello all. How do I create a virtual printer in cups that will dump postscript to one specific file everytime I print to it? |
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| 08:01.06 | ircdevil | nvz: more hacking, pizza and coke is the way to go |
| 08:01.15 | ircdevil | coke - as in pepsi |
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| 08:01.28 | jm_ | jeph: is PDF good enough? |
| 08:01.33 | nvz | Pepsi is not Coke |
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| 08:01.42 | VoS | so debian sux? |
| 08:01.45 | jeph | nope, I dunno how to edit PDF ;-) |
| 08:01.48 | mylanta_ | VoS: I am finding it much harder than expected |
| 08:01.50 | |Mark| | tarzeau '1568<?@' then 'char-c3:/usr/local/bin# PuTTYPuTTYPuTTYPuTTY1568<?@' |
| 08:01.51 | nvz | Coke is Coca~Cola and way better than Pepsi |
| 08:01.57 | ircdevil | nvz: whatever, i was just trying to filter out the nose candy |
| 08:02.00 | tarzeau | |Mark|: file vncpasswd ? |
| 08:02.05 | jm_ | well then maybe you can check how cups-pdf works and change it to write ps |
| 08:02.17 | Gnea | mylanta_: it'll never be windows |
| 08:02.23 | nvz | I can't drink much soda anyhow, just slows me down and gives me acid problems. |
| 08:02.24 | jeph | jm_: good idea... |
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| 08:02.59 | tarzeau | |Mark|: if it was not a binary but a script, it should have a line something like "#!/bin/stuff" and not 1337numbers and badgerbadgerbadgerbadgersnake texts |
| 08:03.16 | ircdevil | sounds like an awful wrong conception: hacking, pizza, and herbal tea? |
| 08:03.26 | |Mark| | lol |
| 08:03.31 | Guerin | VoS: if you can read, you cal run debian. |
| 08:03.41 | nvz | I drink a Coca~cola product called Powerade often, the Black Cherry & Lime flavor is really good. |
| 08:03.53 | Guerin | VoS: you WILL have to read and understand documentation, though, and acquaint yourself with some concepts. |
| 08:03.56 | bibe | VoS : it's not so difficult, you have to spend much time online, browsing and googling and on irc channels, but you can make it out |
| 08:03.59 | Guerin | !fundamentals |
| 08:03.59 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 08:04.26 | nvz | also drink milk, and I like that Fire Element by Snapple too |
| 08:04.54 | Guerin | VoS: start with those links above - if you're already running a server much of it will be old news. If you have trouble understanding the documentation, ask in here.... but you WILL have to do the bulk of the learning on your own. |
| 08:05.04 | smartbhai | bibe : im still getting the segmentation fault |
| 08:05.06 | ircdevil | VoS: keep a positive attitude, show willingness towards reading and learning - and we in #debian will help |
| 08:05.10 | jm_ | jeph: http://aplawrence.com/MacOSX/macosxcupstofile.html |
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| 08:05.28 | asperon-work | nvz: smbmount worked like a charm, but is there any way to do this at login, using the supplied username/password, to avoid having the user supplying the password again? the manual mentions the use of USER and PASSWD variables, but i belive they are for supplying the password via the enviorment, or? |
| 08:05.53 | tarzeau | who invented gconf should be shot |
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| 08:06.05 | tarzeau | oh, and those with XML too |
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| 08:06.36 | `NAPSTER | anyone here has a little more space for a free shell account??? |
| 08:06.45 | tarzeau | when i want to change the default mailer for firefox, can i do that in /etc/gconf or /etc/gnome or /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0 ? |
| 08:06.57 | nvz | asperon-work: yeah do what I said half a dozen times and put them in fstab :P allowing it to be user mountable. then it all depends on how the user loggs in how it would manage to mount such a thing I know of no global way to do it. |
| 08:07.02 | ircdevil | tarzeau: what is the problem with xml (i hear people nagging about it once in a while) |
| 08:07.12 | tarzeau | why do they need so many configuration directories? also in people's $HOME there's .gnome , .gnome2 , .gnome2private and .gnomeprivate |
| 08:07.23 | tarzeau | ircdevil: causes eye cancer |
| 08:07.36 | asperon-work | nvz: they log in via gdm, and thats what they'll use 99% of the time, so thats all i need to worry about |
| 08:07.38 | ircdevil | tarzeau: i thought it was an under-the-hood thing |
| 08:07.45 | tarzeau | ircdevil: what's wrong with standard unix configuration files? or the older plists? |
| 08:07.47 | nvz | asperon-work: user and password are command-line options or you can alternatively use the a credentials file that is secured. |
| 08:07.57 | tarzeau | ircdevil: well then tell me how i can edit it above the hood |
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| 08:08.05 | mylanta_ | Gnea: I have almost switched (apart from 2 remaining boxes). theres a few things I can not find alternates for. |
| 08:08.08 | tarzeau | ircdevil: i want to change the default mailer and browser for thunderbird and firefox |
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| 08:08.11 | ircdevil | tarzeau: i dont know. i gave up on fine-tuning my galeon layout. |
| 08:08.18 | asperon-work | nvz: could the credentials file somehow be created on the fly? |
| 08:08.23 | jotham | anyone know where LS_COLORS is defined |
| 08:08.33 | tarzeau | ircdevil: that means you agree that galeon sucks ass? |
| 08:08.45 | mylanta_ | t120 netmeetings is one of them |
| 08:08.47 | ircdevil | tarzeau: there is some graphic frontend to the gconf stuff. it doenst really help, but it makes the complexity very visible |
| 08:08.48 | nvz | asperon-work: I don't know much about those. I always use gdm and the "default" login so it processes my ~/.xsession file but even in that case the ~/.xsession wouldnt be mounted yet if its remote.. so I have no idea |
| 08:09.05 | asperon-work | nvz: ok, thnx |
| 08:09.12 | tarzeau | ircdevil: do you know what it's called? |
| 08:09.18 | nvz | asperon-work: if you modified the login program or PAM to somehow use the user credentials to create that file *shrug* |
| 08:09.20 | ircdevil | tarzeau: no, galeon is really cool. but i think that the preferences should be set within galeon and not via gconf |
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| 08:09.33 | nvz | asperon-work: try asking windows-minded people :P |
| 08:09.36 | nkuttler | jotham: in your shellrc? |
| 08:09.42 | ircdevil | tarzeau: cant remember - apt-cache search gconf |
| 08:09.48 | tarzeau | ircdevil: haha gconf-editor .. it looks like regedit |
| 08:09.49 | asperon-work | nvz: ok, i have already modified pam to use the pdc for auth, so perhaps that is the best way to do it |
| 08:09.51 | jotham | nkuttler: nope, has something to do with 'dircolors', exploring now |
| 08:10.04 | tarzeau | i wonder what shit they get copying bullshit from microsoft |
| 08:10.08 | kl1 | hi any one knows how to install a sninstall? |
| 08:10.20 | ircdevil | tarzeau: rememeber. i didnt say it would be of any help. it just shows the completeness of the mess |
| 08:10.24 | jm_ | dircolors just outputs the settings that can be used by you in shell startup files |
| 08:10.50 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah except gconf is in english regedit is in leetspeak with hints of hex here and tehre |
| 08:11.04 | tarzeau | i can't find firefox nor thunderbird in gconf-editor |
| 08:11.16 | tarzeau | nvz: still gconf sucks ass |
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| 08:11.42 | tarzeau | breaks almost my tongue to spell the shitty name too |
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| 08:12.18 | nvz | tarzeau: no debate there. |
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| 08:13.54 | `NAPSTER | hello can somebody help me here |
| 08:13.56 | `NAPSTER | ??? |
| 08:14.01 | Vyrus001 | how do i setup a pop acount to use tls (not smtp) in thunderbird? |
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| 08:14.28 | pngwn | `NAPSTER, you won't get a free shell in here |
| 08:15.01 | Bateau_ | hey! i want to install ejabberd. is there a .deb for it? or do i have to compile it "and stuff"? i know ejabberd is available as a apt-get thing in ubuntu. and ubuntu is based on debian, so... :P |
| 08:15.09 | `NAPSTER | even just for a starter? |
| 08:15.20 | pngwn | `NAPSTER, go away |
| 08:15.23 | `NAPSTER | so where can i ask for freeshell?? |
| 08:15.27 | `NAPSTER | :( |
| 08:15.42 | tarzeau | `NAPSTER: www.metawire.org |
| 08:15.51 | `NAPSTER | too roude |
| 08:15.58 | bob2 | please don't be annoyinh |
| 08:16.02 | `NAPSTER | i try metwire already |
| 08:16.10 | Vyrus001 | google man |
| 08:16.21 | `NAPSTER | i not tryng to annoy you... i need help common |
| 08:16.23 | tarzeau | `NAPSTER: what about one of your own computers with debian? |
| 08:16.27 | `NAPSTER | your once like me |
| 08:16.33 | `NAPSTER | im just a starter |
| 08:16.36 | bob2 | no |
| 08:16.41 | tarzeau | `NAPSTER: your NICKNAME sucks |
| 08:16.42 | bob2 | you're being annoying |
| 08:16.43 | `NAPSTER | seeking a help from you guys |
| 08:16.47 | calinicht | sikiwiki |
| 08:16.50 | tarzeau | `NAPSTER: do /nick napster first |
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| 08:16.57 | bob2 | `NAPSTER: you're not "seeking help", you're "seekign a free shell account" |
| 08:16.59 | `NAPSTER | ok |
| 08:17.02 | bob2 | they are importantly different things |
| 08:17.32 | streuner | fine |
| 08:17.42 | automatic | no no no... im seeking both |
| 08:17.50 | streuner | automatic: ok |
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| 08:17.58 | automatic | i need help to learn more and a shell to learn from |
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| 08:18.07 | streuner | automatic: just google for 'free shell' |
| 08:18.16 | automatic | how can i learn if don't have one |
| 08:18.23 | streuner | there are 100 websites which offers you that |
| 08:18.25 | automatic | i tried there many times |
| 08:18.26 | EdLin | automatic: install Linux |
| 08:18.48 | EdLin | automatic: well, sorry, #debian is not #freeshells |
| 08:18.53 | streuner | automatic: what do you want to do with free shell? |
| 08:18.54 | bob2 | automatic: stop being so lazy |
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| 08:19.16 | automatic | lazy??? |
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| 08:19.21 | pngwn | heh |
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| 08:19.46 | bob2 | the second hit is freeshell.org, ffs |
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| 08:19.54 | calinicht | nimm gnupp |
| 08:19.55 | automatic | comon mn |
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| 08:20.05 | bob2 | automatic: stop being so fucking lazy |
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| 08:20.15 | automatic | im not lazy common man |
| 08:20.18 | bob2 | automatic: the second google hit will get you a shell in 3 minutes |
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| 08:20.33 | automatic | man pece |
| 08:20.34 | automatic | man peace |
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| 08:20.40 | emergo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.40 | emergo | Error connecting to 127.0.0.1 (Connection refused) |
| 08:20.44 | automatic | i don't come to make trouble |
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| 08:20.54 | EdLin | automatic: you're off-topic, and asking to be banned |
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| 08:20.58 | streuner | automatic: ask a debian related question |
| 08:21.00 | Toms | Åusssssssaaaaaaa |
| 08:21.00 | bob2 | automatic: you're being highly annoying, and ignoring the answer I gave you |
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| 08:21.07 | nkuttler | automatic: just go to google, find a free account, and stay quiet for some time |
| 08:21.10 | automatic | ignoring? |
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| 08:21.23 | bob2 | automatic: which part of that url was unclear? |
| 08:21.25 | automatic | you guys don't understand |
| 08:21.36 | automatic | what do you mean url was unclear? |
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| 08:21.45 | bob2 | 18:19:18 ---| <--- automatic [i=napster@203.215.112.69] has left #debian (requested by bob2: "http://www.google.com/search?q=free+shell") |
| 08:21.58 | bob2 | automatic: use. google. |
| 08:22.07 | automatic | oic... |
| 08:22.19 | automatic | ok ok |
| 08:22.21 | automatic | tnks.. |
| 08:22.24 | automatic | peace! |
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| 08:23.50 | scanwinder | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.06 | Bateau_ | I want to install ejabberd. is there a .deb for it? or do i have to compile it "and stuff"? i know ejabberd is available as a apt-get thing in ubuntu. and ubuntu is based on debian, so... :P where can i find extra repositoris to add to the resource.list, so that i can install ejabberd? |
| 08:24.06 | bob2 | and you're running it from where? |
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| 08:24.22 | bob2 | Bateau_: did you check if it was in Debian or not yet? |
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| 08:24.41 | deadcat_ | why doesnt lprng show up in debfoster? |
| 08:24.59 | Bateau_ | bob2: yupp i did |
| 08:25.02 | automatic | tnks man... |
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| 08:25.15 | nvz | Bateau_: check packages.debian.org to see if its in debian, then if it doesnt show up there, try apt-get.org |
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| 08:25.53 | Bateau_ | oki :) |
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| 08:26.34 | nkuttler | god, /etc/hosts gone, x config loop, what a nice morning |
| 08:27.08 | nvz | hmm, upgrade woes? |
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| 08:27.24 | bob2 | yay disk corruption |
| 08:27.32 | nvz | :P |
| 08:28.02 | nkuttler | looks like debconf overwrote /etc/hosts, but netbase wasn't upgraded |
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| 08:28.37 | bob2 | debconf shouldn't ever touch that file |
| 08:28.38 | bob2 | afaik |
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| 08:29.02 | nkuttler | bob2: well the first line is now ### etherconf DEBCONF AREA. DO NOT EDIT THIS AREA OR INSERT TEXT BEFORE IT. |
| 08:29.10 | bob2 | haha etherconf |
| 08:29.16 | nkuttler | argh! |
| 08:29.17 | Kipp7 | I hope this isn't a terribly stupid question, but I'm trying to configure apt to use a http proxy with authentication under stable. Googling seems to suggest using Acquire::http::Proxy "http://user:pass@host:port" in apt.conf, but it isn't working for me. Wondering if anyone can help? |
| 08:30.21 | bob2 | Kipp7: setting the http_proxy env var should be enough, too |
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| 08:31.11 | Kipp7 | bob2, that doesn't seem to be working either |
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| 08:31.23 | bob2 | can you look at your proxy logs? |
| 08:31.30 | Kipp7 | nah, proxy isn't under my control |
| 08:31.33 | nkuttler | at least it left a backup |
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| 08:32.09 | emergo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.10 | emergo | Error connecting to 127.0.0.1 (Connection refused) |
| 08:32.10 | emergo | Connection to localhost failed |
| 08:32.20 | emergo | anyone know why? |
| 08:32.38 | tarzeau | emergo: you don't run a smbd |
| 08:32.46 | Bateau_ | nvz: i found it on apt-get.org should i just add that site to the resource list? |
| 08:32.59 | emergo | tarzeau: hmm |
| 08:33.01 | nvz | Bateau_: umm no |
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| 08:33.12 | nvz | Bateau_: you add which ever repository you found it on |
| 08:33.22 | nvz | Bateau_: apt-get.org is just a search engine |
| 08:33.37 | Bateau_ | oki, it says: deb http://tranq.dorms.spbu.ru/debian-local/ sid/ |
| 08:33.47 | Bateau_ | so i just add that to resource.list? |
| 08:34.08 | nvz | its sources.list |
| 08:34.12 | nvz | and yes |
| 08:34.27 | Bateau_ | oh, my bad :) |
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| 08:35.35 | smartbhai | bibe : sorry was out .. |
| 08:35.47 | smartbhai | bibe: i couldnt fix the problem of segmentation fault |
| 08:35.49 | Bateau_ | nvz: hmmm, i got errors :/ |
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| 08:36.19 | nvz | I am going to bed so feel free to stop fat-fingering my nick all night |
| 08:36.34 | emp | if i have 'ip rule add from all fwmark 1 table RDS' how could i log packets that go through this table? :) |
| 08:36.34 | nvz | s/night/morning/ |
| 08:36.46 | Vyrus001 | what is a good program (oss compatible) for playing wave files on command (i.e. somthing that would be called myap my.wav for things like beeps in xchat or dings in gaim?) |
| 08:36.59 | tarzeau | Vyrus001: play |
| 08:37.07 | Vyrus001 | tarzeau: thanx |
| 08:38.03 | tarzeau | for the latex/xfig problem http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/mn/latex-xfig-mn.png any hints or should report this as a bug to tetex-bin, and then later add information to the bug on request? |
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| 08:38.49 | smartbhai | bibe: still i have got segmentation fault " i passed the option linux26 napic nolapic |
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| 08:38.56 | smartbhai | bibe: still i have got segmentation fault " i passed the option linux26 noapic nolapic |
| 08:39.28 | tarzeau | is there someone who is postmaster@debian.org ? |
| 08:40.05 | d0uglas | if there is he must have the most badass combinations of spam filters |
| 08:40.18 | tarzeau | d0uglas: and should stop sending out viruses |
| 08:40.28 | bob2 | tarzeau: probably root@debian.org aka jgg |
| 08:40.32 | bibe | smartbhai : ok, just a moment please |
| 08:40.39 | smartbhai | bibe : ya sure |
| 08:41.22 | tarzeau | bob2: postmaster@ should exist |
| 08:41.51 | tarzeau | bob2: no nick like jgg. he was sent mail to already a week+ ago |
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| 08:42.04 | bob2 | tarzeau: his nick is Culus, and he very rarely irc's |
| 08:42.10 | d0uglas | bob2: what time is it wherever you are |
| 08:42.18 | bob2 | d0uglas: 1842 |
| 08:42.20 | bob2 | aka dinner time |
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| 08:42.58 | d0uglas | that's one great thing about debian, everybody's all over the place so i can stay up until 5am and still get help |
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| 08:43.44 | tarzeau | d0uglas: yeah that's really great :) |
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| 08:43.47 | fireba11 | yuk ... someone just treid to send 40 MB as mailattachment |
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| 08:44.09 | bibe | smartbhai : when you are presented with the boot: prompt, press F1, F2 and so on to get all available parameters. You should try those parameters that disable hardware autodetection. What kind of hardware are you installing Debian on? |
| 08:44.17 | d0uglas | fireba11: pron? |
| 08:44.47 | fireba11 | d0uglas: nope .. i told him to use the fucking FTP server we got for that reason ^^ |
| 08:44.51 | bob2 | tarzeau: postmaster@ appears to work for me |
| 08:44.53 | smartbhai | bibe : its a pentium 3 700 mhz processor with ati rage graphics and 128 mb ram |
| 08:45.06 | tarzeau | bob2: yes, but he should also read the mail and react |
| 08:45.11 | Vyrus001 | d0uglas: yea it is 1.45 in the morning where i am :P |
| 08:45.16 | peej | I am getting a really crap nat connection from my upstream. I need to resubmit the url several times before the site displays. Can anyone guide me on how to diagnose the problem, what tools I should be playing around with, what material I should read? |
| 08:45.38 | blaamann | smartbhai: Sounds like my box |
| 08:46.11 | smartbhai | bibe: i tried the parameters which are relevant .. the funny thing is that i had installed sarge testing some time back and it installed perfectly ok but now when i try to install sarge stable it wont work ... besides knoppix works perfectly ok .. |
| 08:46.41 | d0uglas | you want to see something real perty on your http dial fire up dubya dubya dubya cloud9 dot net slash/tilde douglas slash luba.wmv |
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| 08:49.06 | blaamann | On other distros I have been using scanpci (or was it pciscan), is there an equivalent for debian ? |
| 08:49.10 | bibe | smartbhai : did you try with a linux 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:49.28 | bibe | smartbhai : no boot parameters, only press enter |
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| 08:49.37 | smartbhai | bibe: i tried all options .. linux , linux26 , expert ,expert26 ... |
| 08:49.41 | Vyrus001 | blaamann: lspci ? |
| 08:49.42 | bibe | ah ok |
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| 08:50.20 | smartbhai | bibe : the message is within 2-3 secs segmentation fault appears and then the syntax of the copy command is displayed |
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| 08:50.36 | bibe | smartbhai : did you check the ISO md5sum? |
| 08:50.55 | blaamann | Vyrus001: A little bit different output but I will check the man pages for it. Thanks |
| 08:51.02 | smartbhai | bibe : yes the cd works fine.. |
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| 08:51.47 | smartbhai | bibe : and one funny thing is that .. only once it booted sucessfully with expert26 and then when i tried it again it wont work |
| 08:52.03 | bibe | smartbhai : how do you say that the cd works fine? The fact that it boots isn't sufficient |
| 08:52.20 | smartbhai | bibe: i have used the cd for around 20-25 installations |
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| 08:52.26 | bibe | smartbhai : ah ok |
| 08:52.56 | Vyrus001 | blaamann: np |
| 08:53.09 | smartbhai | bibe : is it some memory problem or something.. but cant confirm that cos knoppix works perfectly fine.. |
| 08:53.44 | smartbhai | bibe : kindly hold on ill tell the last exact lines while crashing |
| 08:56.57 | tarzeau | any defoma guru here? i need help with http://bugs.debian.org/327654 there's a FIXME around line 108 of gs.defoma |
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| 08:57.40 | tarzeau | i couldn't find anything like it on defoma BTS. wondering if i should reassign this bug to it |
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| 09:04.10 | mylanta_ | I often need to add a sequential suffix to many filenames starting from a specific number, how do I do that? |
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| 09:04.21 | Huragan | ..... |
| 09:04.24 | Huragan | .. |
| 09:04.34 | bob2 | mylanta_: seq |
| 09:04.55 | loool | ..... |
| 09:04.56 | Subdino | Hi. What would you suggest to make backups from Zope Data.fs files ? Something that must generate small files without consuming a huge ammount of memory (it must be possible to "diff" two 15GB files) |
| 09:05.08 | mylanta_ | bob2: thanks |
| 09:05.09 | bob2 | Subdino: #zope |
| 09:05.17 | bob2 | backing that up live is going to be fucked, anyway |
| 09:05.51 | Subdino | where do you see that I do live backups ? |
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| 09:06.58 | Subdino | and the question is not about zope, but about which binary patch generation programs |
| 09:07.33 | Subdino | which can handle huge files, not just a binary here and there |
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| 09:08.09 | smartbhai | bibe : Heres the output : Setting up filesystem , please wait.... , Segmentation fault , Busy box v1.00..... , Usage cp [OPTIONS] .... kernel panic : attempted to kill init |
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| 09:09.19 | reddi | hi, which is the best live cd for debian? |
| 09:09.23 | reddi | knoppix or the other one? |
| 09:09.30 | reddi | (i dont know the name exactly) |
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| 09:09.53 | smartbhai | bibe: the funny thing is that it worked twice before showing the above error |
| 09:09.59 | liable | reddi: for what purpose? knoppix is fine for general rescue tasks. |
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| 09:10.16 | reddi | rescue tasks |
| 09:10.20 | reddi | grub shall be on it |
| 09:10.22 | reddi | ;-) |
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| 09:10.32 | jm_ | burn a CD with GRUB then |
| 09:10.41 | linuicks | hey, I'm just wonder which version of debian I should install on a dual xeon system |
| 09:10.46 | linuicks | if there's anyone who could help me.. |
| 09:10.55 | linuicks | ia64 aint gonna work I'm sure.. |
| 09:10.58 | reddi | but there is a debian based version here |
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| 09:11.01 | reddi | i dont know the name exactly |
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| 09:11.19 | liable | reddi: theres a few, but knoppix will do fine. |
| 09:12.08 | emp | anyone handy with iptables? |
| 09:12.40 | Makubex | hello friends |
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| 09:16.07 | zeitoun | hello all. |
| 09:16.32 | Huahua | hello |
| 09:16.52 | kreg | does apache have something against using a directoryc called "images" in the document root? all other directories are found just fine, except "images" directory. if i rename it to something else, like "graphics" it works fine. |
| 09:17.03 | ade|desk | anyone noticed that xserver-common conflicts with xserver-xfree86 in sid, which removes xserver-xfree86 but doesn't put xserver-xorg in its place ? |
| 09:17.04 | jm_ | time to check aliases |
| 09:17.23 | zeitoun | I recently changed my apt source.list to point to sarge (from a woody install). After having resolved several problems du to backports, I finally managed to have apt telling me that my system was up-to-date. Problem: in fact it is not. |
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| 09:17.44 | zeitoun | Can someone point me in the right direction to solve this problem ? |
| 09:17.59 | liable | zeitoun: more info. |
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| 09:18.48 | zeitoun | ok. If i look at the version of (for example) dpkg installed on my system, it is still the old version from woody |
| 09:19.00 | zeitoun | and apt sees no problem with that. |
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| 09:19.13 | christianp | hi all |
| 09:19.20 | zeitoun | if I download the package and install it, it works. |
| 09:19.34 | zeitoun | I just wonder why apt will not upgrade it on its own |
| 09:19.47 | jm_ | you just pointed it at sarge? how about running the commands to actually upgrade things? |
| 09:19.49 | streuner | How does debootstrap work with sarge? |
| 09:20.08 | liable | zeitoun: so when you do a dist-upgrade it says things are held back? or you havent done a dist-upgrade? (just upgrade) |
| 09:20.11 | zeitoun | jm_: i did : apt-get upgrade | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:20.18 | streuner | Does it work fine or are they any problems in sarge? |
| 09:20.19 | jm_ | zeitoun: and update? who will run that? |
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| 09:20.39 | zeitoun | jm_: come on !!! |
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| 09:21.48 | smartbhai | bibe : Heres the output : Setting up filesystem , please wait.... , Segmentation fault , Busy box v1.00..... , Usage cp [OPTIONS] .... kernel panic : attempted to kill init |
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| 09:22.16 | zeitoun | liable: I had things held back but no more now. |
| 09:22.17 | streuner | found it, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=debootstrap |
| 09:22.22 | liable | zeitoun: paste your sources list, results of a dist-upgrade and dpkg -l whatever. (to a paster) |
| 09:22.35 | d0uglas | bugs? Debian??? |
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| 09:23.05 | Bateau_ | how do i unzip tar.bz2 ? |
| 09:23.27 | smartbhai | Bateau_ : tar -jxvf tar.bz2 |
| 09:23.35 | smartbhai | Bateau_ : tar -jxvf file.tar.bz2 |
| 09:23.38 | streuner | !tell Bateau_ about tar |
| 09:23.49 | smartbhai | streuner : sorry |
| 09:23.51 | Bateau_ | oki, thanks :) |
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| 09:24.08 | liable | why does double click on say, that link streuner just posted always stop on ?, can i get around this? its quite annoying when the windows is scrolling fast to try and highlight links.. |
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| 09:24.57 | christianp | i have problem in displaying >12 char folder name from a win98 smb client on a debian sarge samba server. The problem is that this folder is user's home (this user has 14 char name long) and the user can't access his home from smb. Is there a solution? |
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| 09:26.20 | bob2 | liable: it depends on your irc client |
| 09:26.21 | bibe | smartbhai : I was out for a coffee... can you try to reburn the iso image? It's the only thing I can think of |
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| 09:26.30 | bob2 | liable: and if you're using a console one, it depends on your terminal emulator |
| 09:26.35 | bob2 | and various between versions |
| 09:26.39 | smartbhai | bibe : thanx for the help |
| 09:26.51 | smartbhai | bibe : it worked twice but wont work again.. |
| 09:26.54 | zeitoun | liable: http://pastebin.com/384788 |
| 09:27.09 | d0uglas | is there any way to "bridge" two partitions or hard drives? |
| 09:27.29 | zeitoun | d0uglas: use lvm |
| 09:27.30 | bob2 | LVM |
| 09:27.41 | bibe | smartbhai : sorry |
| 09:27.43 | d0uglas | cool i thought this was impossible, thanks |
| 09:27.51 | bob2 | it can make a block device out of other block devices |
| 09:28.21 | bob2 | it seems kinda badly documented, tho |
| 09:29.40 | zeitoun | bob2: talking about lvm ? |
| 09:29.58 | bob2 | yeah |
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| 09:30.12 | d0uglas | on apt should i get lvm-common? not seeing a simple lvm package |
| 09:30.14 | zeitoun | bob2: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ |
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| 09:30.22 | zeitoun | among many others in my bookmarks :) |
| 09:30.30 | bob2 | sure |
| 09:30.32 | liable | zeitoun: change stable to sarge. shouldnt have to but.. |
| 09:30.41 | zeitoun | liable: i tried |
| 09:30.45 | zeitoun | same result |
| 09:30.55 | bob2 | but is that for the latest version? |
| 09:31.01 | emergo | what is the name of the sound device ? dev/? When xmms says its busy I can do lsof | grep /dev? to find what is using wirght ? |
| 09:31.22 | bob2 | /dev/dsp |
| 09:31.27 | zeitoun | bob2: lvm1 and 2 in the same howto |
| 09:31.30 | bob2 | for OSS, anyway |
| 09:31.37 | zeitoun | with a faq for each |
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| 09:31.44 | zeitoun | all my machines run on lvm2 |
| 09:32.04 | bob2 | ah, there you go |
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| 09:33.34 | emergo | bob2: alsa I think |
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| 09:33.43 | zeitoun | and what happens if your home partition becomes crowded and you finally found that you have 5 G unused on / and that you would like finally as well to put var on a separate partition ? |
| 09:33.43 | bob2 | then lsof| grep /dev/snd |
| 09:33.52 | bob2 | tho setting up dmix is easier |
| 09:33.58 | zeitoun | if you don't have lvm, you have to repartition. |
| 09:34.03 | bob2 | zeitoun: that rarely happens, but when it does, I symlink |
| 09:34.31 | zeitoun | it ca happen really often on a big server. |
| 09:34.39 | vorsprung | zeitoun, copy it, mv the old var to var.old, symlink and reboot |
| 09:34.46 | emergo | bob2: neiher was used , well I have to look further then |
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| 09:35.17 | vorsprung | zeitoun, or I suppose you could cp it then alter /etc/fstab and reboot |
| 09:35.24 | bob2 | hm, I can't really see it happening on a big server, either |
| 09:35.38 | bob2 | since I'd make a big /home/ and symlink other big things on to there |
| 09:35.48 | zeitoun | say you want to add 80 G to your home partition: plug a new 80G in, make it a lvm physical drive, add it to your volume group, extend /home volume by 80G |
| 09:36.13 | zeitoun | all that without even turning the machine down if your can hotplug drives on your hardware. |
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| 09:36.28 | _cMex_ | hello there |
| 09:36.40 | daedric | you can always hotplug drives... no matter the hardware... |
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| 09:36.42 | d0uglas | how's it hangin' cmex |
| 09:36.46 | emergo | bob2: hmm, gaim can test sound, but xmms says give me an error, no specific, just says cat run |
| 09:36.51 | daedric | and you do it on your own responsability :D |
| 09:37.03 | _cMex_ | anybody knows about troubles compiling kernel, when running under amd64-smp kernel from binary-image? |
| 09:37.10 | bob2 | zeitoun: see, then I'm fucked if one of those drives fails |
| 09:37.21 | bob2 | _cMex_: why bother compiling your own? |
| 09:37.22 | zeitoun | bob2 nope :) |
| 09:37.29 | bob2 | emergo: tell xmms to esound for output |
| 09:37.32 | _cMex_ | bob2, mppe_patch |
| 09:37.37 | d0uglas | _cMex_: why not apt that sheeit w/o compiling |
| 09:37.40 | bob2 | zeitoun: what does LVM do if half of the filesystem disappears? |
| 09:37.46 | liable | haha, i am so stupid.. |
| 09:38.19 | LuPuZ | hey... i need some help :P ... How do i set the systemtime? all i have is ssh to the box so i can't change cmos |
| 09:38.26 | zeitoun | first: you can choose wich drive/partition stores which files. |
| 09:38.40 | d0uglas | LuPuZ: man date |
| 09:38.48 | zeitoun | second, your lvm physical volumes can be raid1 or raid5 arrays. |
| 09:38.50 | _cMex_ | it's falling down not only when compiling (just make test) :( do u have any idea why Debian falling on smp kernels? |
| 09:38.54 | LuPuZ | gaah... that's the only word i didn't try :P |
| 09:39.02 | liable | !tell LuPuZ about set time |
| 09:39.05 | bob2 | LuPuZ: date -s |
| 09:39.06 | Guerin | !wayc _cMex_ |
| 09:39.07 | dpkg | _cMex_: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:39.08 | d0uglas | or get some kde frontend |
| 09:39.15 | bob2 | LuPuZ: or just install ntpdate and let it do it over the network for you |
| 09:39.20 | d0uglas | ... or webadmin |
| 09:39.21 | emergo | bob2: esound didnt work, but oss did |
| 09:39.26 | _cMex_ | dpkg, must apply ppp_mppe patch to source |
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| 09:39.28 | bob2 | emergo: sblive? |
| 09:39.41 | eXa_bOy | where can i look to fix this issue? http://pastebin.com/384795 |
| 09:40.01 | emergo | bob2: yes, old 32 or somethglike that es1371 |
| 09:40.25 | liable | !hi |
| 09:40.26 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 09:40.28 | LuPuZ | thx for the help worked after i read man date |
| 09:40.29 | eXa_bOy | someone please |
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| 09:40.50 | liable | hrm, dpkg doesnt give random answers anymore when adressed.. |
| 09:41.11 | jethro | @annoy liable |
| 09:41.13 | ravenbird | liable: PLZ!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
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| 09:41.28 | d0uglas | eXa_bOy: way to use pastebin, high five |
| 09:41.30 | liable | heh, i wish i had a finger key! :P |
| 09:41.39 | liable | jethro: morn. |
| 09:41.44 | jethro | liable: hi :) |
| 09:45.19 | Lutin_Triste | hi |
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| 09:50.14 | Guerin | bah, nfs causing random client freezes |
| 09:51.22 | sebyte | hi all. having some problems with apt since the X.org migration... unmet dependencies mean i have to run apt-get --fix-broken which wants to re-install xserver-common, xdm and xserver-xorg. |
| 09:51.39 | sussudio_ | @mith dpkg |
| 09:51.44 | sussudio_ | hmm. |
| 09:51.54 | sussudio_ | so they're both broken |
| 09:51.54 | sebyte | However I repeatedly get this error message *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08907fe0 *** and the process is aborted |
| 09:51.54 | liable | heh |
| 09:52.12 | Guerin | sebyte: let -f do its thing |
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| 09:52.48 | sebyte | Guerin: I would but the process is aborted |
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| 09:54.21 | Guerin | sebyte: why? |
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| 09:55.36 | sebyte | Guerin: for example, first line: Preconfiguring packages... /bin/sh: line 1: 5591 Aborted /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt |
| 09:55.57 | sebyte | Guerin: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08966a28 *** |
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| 09:57.00 | liable | hrm i read about this somewhere recently.. |
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| 09:57.05 | Guerin | sebyte: eep. |
| 09:57.08 | Guerin | sebyte: what branch of debian? |
| 09:57.54 | jethro | heh I've seen these double free errors too :) |
| 09:58.00 | sebyte | Guerin: Debian testing mostly i686 |
| 09:58.27 | Guerin | sebyte: mostly? What else is it? |
| 09:58.45 | Guerin | sebyte: and since debian doesn't release i686, perhaps you could explain that. |
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| 09:58.55 | sebyte | Guerin: mostly testing... some unstable packages |
| 09:58.56 | liable | hrm, this has me confused, i got som jpg's, some are less than a meg, some are 1.9, but if i resize by percentage, they are all the same size.. |
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| 09:59.51 | sebyte | Guerin: 2.6.7-1-386 kernel |
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| 10:06.11 | mylanta_ | t120 netmeeting ? is this possible on linux? |
| 10:06.14 | EdLin | sebyte: Sarge (stable) offers 2.6.8, are you sure you're running Debian? |
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| 10:06.49 | liable | EdLin: thats an old sarge testing kernel i think. |
| 10:07.00 | EdLin | liable: yeah, looks like it. |
| 10:07.04 | nkuttler | mylanta_: there is gnomemeeting, what's t120? |
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| 10:08.13 | mylanta_ | nkutter: thats the protocol gnomemeeting is not going to support :( |
| 10:08.21 | EdLin | !d-i sebyte |
| 10:08.22 | dpkg | sebyte, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:08.31 | sebyte | Guerin: yeah it is an old testing kernel... i've never got round to upgrading it since i installed debian form a daily build netinst.iso over a year ago or more... if it isn't broken why fix it!!! |
| 10:08.56 | CosmoDad | I cannot log in to X as non-root, only root works. /tmp and /home perms are OK, sysog says: "IO Error in XopenDisplay", "Display :0 cannot be opened", and "Unable to fire up local display :0; disabling". Idea? |
| 10:09.10 | mylanta_ | nkuttler: oops! thats the protocol gnomemeeting is not going to support :( |
| 10:09.33 | jm_ | CosmoDad: log in to X how? |
| 10:10.06 | Guerin | sebyte: choose one or other of testing and unstable. Don't mix. |
| 10:10.07 | CosmoDad | jm_: kdm |
| 10:10.31 | jm_ | CosmoDad: try #debian-kde or #kde - you need to check what kdm is doing and where it logs |
| 10:10.49 | sebyte | Guerin: yeah, it's only a couple of end-user packages that are unstable... |
| 10:10.51 | mylanta_ | I have put debian on the kids boxes. Now one of them has to do some schoolwork via a t120 netmeeting |
| 10:10.53 | CosmoDad | jm_: ok, thx |
| 10:11.57 | sebyte | Guerin: this is a really dumb question, but can i run the latest debian installer and preserve my existing home directory without backing it up? |
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| 10:12.49 | bibe | sebyte : do you have /home on a separate partition? |
| 10:13.14 | sebyte | bibe: nope, so that's a no then :-/ |
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| 10:13.32 | bibe | sebyte : I think so |
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| 10:13.39 | mylanta_ | The netmeeting lessons are set up by the school and gnomemeeting clients are rejected because of this t120 thing |
| 10:13.46 | Guerin | sebyte: yeah, sure thing |
| 10:13.52 | Handmade | hi ya:) |
| 10:13.59 | Guerin | sebyte: oh, separate /home |
| 10:14.10 | Guerin | you need to tar it up and back it up someplace |
| 10:14.35 | Guerin | mylanta_: tell the fuckers not to use a broken h.323 client |
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| 10:15.05 | Guerin | mylanta_: sebyte the problem with end-user packages is that they sometimes haul in things like libc |
| 10:15.14 | Guerin | which is what's causing you problems |
| 10:15.38 | Guerin | sebyte: there's almost certainly an easier fix than reinstalling, but I don't know this issue, sorry |
| 10:15.43 | EdLin | that reminds me of someone I got a mailing list who got complaints about his HTML mail, so he started sending email wordpad attachments instead! |
| 10:15.49 | Guerin | mylanta_: ignore that last, sorry. |
| 10:15.53 | Guerin | EdLin: haha |
| 10:16.09 | EdLin | "everybody has wordpad..." |
| 10:16.10 | Guerin | and the *plonk*s did echo through the halls |
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| 10:17.20 | sebyte | Guerin: thanks anyhow.... i'll do a bit more poking around... |
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| 10:17.59 | EdLin | Guerin: someone else started sending Word .doc attachments along with his original HMTL mail, but the wordpad one was worse of course. |
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| 10:18.32 | blaamann | How can I install the mplayer plugin, is there a deb package around ? I am using etch. |
| 10:18.44 | EdLin | !tell blaamann about marillat |
| 10:19.11 | i5513 | hi people, I created a syslog file of 200 MB, how can I clean it ? |
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| 10:19.30 | row2 | rm -rf or wait for log rotate |
| 10:19.39 | row2 | rm will do the job but :P |
| 10:20.06 | i5513 | can I do a rm -rf /var/log/syslog without any problem ? |
| 10:20.10 | mylanta_ | Guerin: The education department and all bekkas classmates will not percieve the problem as being microsofts :( |
| 10:20.13 | eXa_bOy | d0uglas u there? |
| 10:20.13 | EdLin | yeah, there's nothing that a good rm -rf / won't fix |
| 10:20.15 | i5513 | :S |
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| 10:20.39 | row2 | rm /var/log/syslog;touch /var/log/syslog |
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| 10:20.41 | EdLin | !u |
| 10:20.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:20.45 | row2 | that will for sure cause no problems |
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| 10:20.57 | i5513 | ok, thanks you row2 ! |
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| 10:21.30 | eXa_bOy | where can i look to fix this issue? http://pastebin.com/384795 |
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| 10:22.52 | Guerin | mylanta_: your education dept. needs reeducation |
| 10:23.10 | eXa_bOy | how do i update 1 particular package? |
| 10:23.40 | Guerin | EdLin: apt-get install package |
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| 10:24.17 | i5513 | then, I can do sed -i "s/^.*slapd.*$//" /var/log/syslog .... |
| 10:24.19 | eXa_bOy | EdLin? |
| 10:24.29 | i5513 | but, how can I remove blank line from sed ? |
| 10:25.18 | xelam | \n\n ? |
| 10:25.36 | Guerin | xelam: man sed |
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| 10:25.50 | Guerin | EdLin: sorry |
| 10:26.52 | blaamann | I can't find the mplayer plugin at marillat either, is it avaliable? I tried apt-cache search mozilla-mplayer after adding marillat etch, I also tried to add the sid src and do the same search without a result. I also tried to search for the true name mplayerplug-in at marillat. |
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| 10:27.21 | liable | blaamann: its in the debian repos |
| 10:27.26 | blaamann | also see http://bender.ecap.it/~andrea/archives/2005-04.html#e2005-04-26T02_13_38.txt |
| 10:27.48 | galorin | I'm trying to set up an email server here. I've got Exim4 up and running (mail delivered to /home/$USER/Maildir/) but I'd like to provide webmail acces to it. I'm kind of lost as to what needs to be done. I tried google, but can't make sense of the results. |
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| 10:27.58 | liable | !info mozilla-mplayer |
| 10:28.00 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 3.05-1 (sid), Packaged size: 379 kB, Installed size: 1180 kB |
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| 10:28.07 | blaamann | liable: I then tried to compile it from source but needed the mozilla-dev files and I can't find them either. |
| 10:28.21 | jethro | EPEBCAK |
| 10:28.31 | eXa_bOy | Setting up util-vserver (0.30.204-5sarge2) ... |
| 10:28.31 | eXa_bOy | /var/lib/vservers: Function not implemented |
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| 10:28.34 | Handmade | anyone use RAGE128 graphic card? |
| 10:28.37 | eXa_bOy | wtf? |
| 10:28.38 | A-abcd | hello, i have big problems, my only hdd only boots in read-only mode, i dont' know what to do..:( |
| 10:28.43 | eXa_bOy | how can i fix this> |
| 10:28.50 | liable | blaamann: ah, yes, i ran into similar probs, and unfortunately cant remember what i installed to fix it.. :( |
| 10:28.51 | A-abcd | untill now, everything was ok |
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| 10:29.34 | blaamann | liable: I always mange to install things in the end from source but I prefer packages |
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| 10:29.50 | mylanta_ | Guerin: News Corp. (thats our real government in australia) will not allow that. But I will try and subvert some of the minions :( |
| 10:29.55 | A-abcd | i've booted into single mode; i cand remount my hdd with rw; but thats all; when i bot in "normal" mode i have tho read-only error |
| 10:30.01 | liable | blaamann: it *is* in the repos... read what dpkg just said.. |
| 10:30.04 | A-abcd | i can't modify any file |
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| 10:30.18 | Guerin | mylanta_: haha |
| 10:30.18 | liable | blaamann: although the debian package kinda sucks.. |
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| 10:30.34 | Guerin | mylanta_: newscorp is influential outside australia, too |
| 10:30.44 | eXa_bOy | suggestions anyone? |
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| 10:31.05 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: read the documentation and the BTS |
| 10:31.19 | eXa_bOy | bts/ |
| 10:31.33 | eXa_bOy | ? |
| 10:31.36 | Guerin | !bts |
| 10:31.36 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 10:31.41 | Guerin | grrrr |
| 10:31.47 | blaamann | liable: Ok, maybe I should trace all those packages then and install from source..............and maybe post a howto on it later. |
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| 10:32.18 | EdLin | !wayc |
| 10:32.26 | i5513 | ok, it was "/^.*slapd.*$/d" /var/log/syslog ... |
| 10:32.26 | liable | blaamann: you get buttons if you build it :) |
| 10:32.36 | Guerin | blaamann: build them as debian packages |
| 10:32.42 | Guerin | blaamann: use checkinstall or similar |
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| 10:33.58 | blaamann | Guerin: This is my third day with debian so I can't promise anything after 7 years of rpm hassles! |
| 10:34.20 | eXa_bOy | Guerin... i hate to annoy but i dont understand that error |
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| 10:35.19 | eXa_bOy | function not implimented.. like WHY NOT... FFS there was a reason i installed this damn package, i would assume it was complete without functions missing |
| 10:35.25 | stereo | hello guys |
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| 10:36.38 | eXa_bOy | hi sterio |
| 10:36.49 | A-abcd | anyone? |
| 10:36.50 | eXa_bOy | eo |
| 10:37.23 | Handmade | I think almost of this channel peole is jombie...-_-; |
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| 10:37.33 | jethro | @annoy eXa_bOy |
| 10:37.35 | stereo | I'm having some trouble with my raid array - I don't have my /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf anymore and the machine has rebooted. Is there an easy way of regenerating it? I know the command I used for creating the array was `mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=raid5 --chunk=128 --raid-devices=4 /dev/hde1 /dev/hdf1 /dev/hdg1 /dev/hdh1` but have no idea of what the array's uuid was |
| 10:37.35 | ravenbird_ | eXa_bOy: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 10:37.35 | eXa_bOy | sif... |
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| 10:38.38 | eXa_bOy | man this is frustrating |
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| 10:39.32 | lopes | hola |
| 10:39.37 | stereo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/853 is an /etc/raidtab I've re-generated by hand |
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| 10:39.45 | fireba11 | A-abcd: more details ? |
| 10:40.01 | stereo | I've tried http://cvs.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/mdadm/raidtabtomdadm.sh with no luck |
| 10:40.14 | A-abcd | fireba11:what kind of details do you want? |
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| 10:40.39 | A-abcd | i've just woke up and i've started my pc and i have this strange error |
| 10:40.42 | fireba11 | A-abcd: fresh install ? usually debian goes to read-only when it detects HD errors |
| 10:40.54 | A-abcd | i can't modiy any file on my system |
| 10:40.55 | fireba11 | or filesystem errors i should say |
| 10:41.18 | A-abcd | i've just finished to run e2fsck |
| 10:41.22 | liable | A-abcd: its prolly mounted ro due to errors, run fschk |
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| 10:41.27 | A-abcd | and it says that it's clean |
| 10:41.36 | liable | A-abcd: remount it rw.. |
| 10:41.37 | fireba11 | A-abcd: then it should be rw at next boot |
| 10:41.45 | A-abcd | liable: i've done that in single mode |
| 10:42.07 | A-abcd | but when i reboot in normal mode, it still boots in read-only mode |
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| 10:42.29 | A-abcd | fireba11: yes, it should :( |
| 10:42.29 | fireba11 | then check fstab |
| 10:42.48 | A-abcd | i've checked fstab 10 times till now.. |
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| 10:43.02 | A-abcd | i thing it's ok everything |
| 10:43.11 | jhaig | Using Sarge. I want to compile supermount into the kernel, so I got the package kernel-package-supermount-ng but now there doesn't appear to be a kernel-source package that it can be used with. Looking at the code of the apply script it seems only to be usable with 2.4.20-2.4.24, but the only 2.4 sources package is 2.4.27. |
| 10:43.16 | A-abcd | i've modified some options ..but still no results |
| 10:43.41 | jhaig | Is there somewhere I can get the patch for 2.4.27 or (preferably). 2.6.8? |
| 10:43.48 | fireba11 | A-abcd: it should give a message at boot why it goes to read-only if that's not set in fstab |
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| 10:43.56 | liable | A-abcd: mount -o remount,rw /dev/blah |
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| 10:44.31 | petemc | liable: itym / |
| 10:44.32 | eXa_bOy | thanks for your help |
| 10:44.33 | eXa_bOy | :) |
| 10:44.54 | liable | petemc: prolly :) |
| 10:45.34 | A-abcd | fireba11: ok i'll try to catch that message; but the lines..are running so fast..how could i pause ? |
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| 10:45.57 | liable | ctrl s, or read the log |
| 10:46.37 | A-abcd | ok |
| 10:46.43 | fireba11 | ah .. liable was faster :-) |
| 10:46.51 | A-abcd | :) |
| 10:46.51 | liable | ctrl q, to resume. |
| 10:47.32 | A-abcd | in 2 minutes i finish a bad block scan with e2fsck and the i'll reboot |
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| 10:51.18 | liable | haha, i like the last changelog for base-config.. replace "press return" by "press enter", after some deep brainstorming from half of debian project.. :) |
| 10:51.30 | Lutin_Triste | hi |
| 10:51.59 | cheal | hehe |
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| 10:52.47 | cheal | liable: don't worry, I opened a bug so that they change it back |
| 10:53.15 | Handmade | I have some Q |
| 10:53.26 | liable | cheal: hah |
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| 10:53.47 | Handmade | I want to view boot log, where can I found that? |
| 10:54.03 | liable | !tell Handmade about bootlogd |
| 10:54.10 | A-abcd | FATAL: module ide_detect not found |
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| 10:54.22 | A-abcd | thats the error |
| 10:54.26 | fireba11 | liable: i like the old "press any key" message where users tend to hit all keys that don't work .. shift, ctrl, alt ... ^^ |
| 10:54.41 | liable | heh |
| 10:54.43 | A-abcd | i've upgraded some package yesterday, could be a cause |
| 10:54.43 | A-abcd | ? |
| 10:55.11 | cheal | A-abcd: did you change your kernel? |
| 10:55.14 | fireba11 | A-abcd: pretty unlikely |
| 10:55.30 | A-abcd | cheal: i've don an "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 10:55.35 | liable | A-abcd: err that doesnt sound like the likely cause.. you got a custom kernel? |
| 10:55.41 | A-abcd | yes |
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| 10:55.51 | tarzeau | jhaig: hey, we have supermount in our kernels too |
| 10:55.56 | A-abcd | and there were 400 packages to upgrade.. |
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| 10:56.01 | tarzeau | jhaig: do you use 2.4.31? i've got a diff for you if you want |
| 10:56.06 | fireba11 | A-abcd: OUCH |
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| 10:56.29 | liable | A-abcd: then, thats not the problem, if your ide module isnt loade, you dont boot at all.. |
| 10:56.29 | A-abcd | i didn't think at that time that was a mistake :( |
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| 10:56.40 | A-abcd | hmmm |
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| 10:57.09 | A-abcd | i don't see other error message |
| 10:57.13 | liable | A-abcd: read kern.log for any other info. |
| 10:57.19 | tarzeau | jhaig: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ see the supermount.diff |
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| 10:57.59 | A-abcd | ok |
| 10:58.12 | tarzeau | jhaig: do you use devfs still or not anymore? |
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| 11:00.37 | imageek | !+find libhal.so.1 |
| 11:00.39 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 11:00.48 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libhal.so.1' returned no results. |
| 11:00.55 | imageek | !+find libhal.so |
| 11:00.57 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 11:01.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libhal.so' (2): (/usr/lib/libhal.so) in libdevel/libhal-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libhal.so.0|libhal.so.0.0.0}) in libs/libhal0. |
| 11:01.03 | jm_ | !tell imageek -about msg |
| 11:01.06 | antgel | !tell imageek about msg the bot |
| 11:02.14 | liable | whats the recurring symbol? (been a long time since i did maths :) |
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| 11:03.26 | linucks | erm could someone please help me.. I am wondering which archetecture cd I should download to install deibian on a dual intel xeon system. |
| 11:03.43 | sparr | might I encounter Tore Anderson here? |
| 11:03.45 | cheal | !ia64 |
| 11:03.45 | dpkg | methinks ia64 is the new Intel Architecture, "Itanium", which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II , see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/. |
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| 11:03.53 | linucks | yeah but that's for the itanium |
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| 11:05.15 | liable | linucks: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/03-2005/14427.html |
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| 11:05.27 | linucks | hmm |
| 11:05.47 | liable | linucks: google is your friend... |
| 11:06.10 | fireba11 | now for a difficult question .. is there a way to clone a running server, so i can test new updates on a non-productive system ? |
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| 11:07.23 | fireba11 | we got a server for mail and CVS and we're a software company so if i upgrade it and something stops working i'm fucked |
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| 11:07.44 | fireba11 | so i'm trying to find a save-as-possible way |
| 11:07.54 | A-abcd | liable: i've read kernel.log |
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| 11:09.02 | fireba11 | A-abcd: found anything ? |
| 11:09.11 | chea1 | linucks: did you figure it out? |
| 11:09.52 | A-abcd | fireba11: unfortunately, no |
| 11:10.06 | A-abcd | and that fatal error doesn't appear either in kern.log |
| 11:10.21 | fireba11 | then check for the mount messages ... |
| 11:10.33 | liable | A-abcd: have you tried to remount rw? |
| 11:10.43 | A-abcd | vffs: mounted root (cramfs fileystem ) readonly |
| 11:10.48 | A-abcd | liable:yes |
| 11:11.00 | fireba11 | cramfs ? |
| 11:11.01 | jm_ | A-abcd: cramfs is read-only filesystem ... |
| 11:11.07 | A-abcd | my bad then |
| 11:11.13 | liable | A-abcd: thats not your problem.. |
| 11:11.17 | A-abcd | it works with remount in single mode |
| 11:11.36 | SpamHog | where do I look for PCI PATA RAID controllers that play well with our OS? |
| 11:11.55 | jm_ | SpamHog: apparently 3ware ones do |
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| 11:12.25 | stereo | 3ware is cool indeed |
| 11:12.34 | stereo | works right out of the box |
| 11:12.49 | liable | but expensive.. |
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| 11:13.06 | jtza8 | Is there an application that I can use to check the integrity of the sectors on a harddrive? |
| 11:13.09 | stereo | you can even find .deb's for their mostly-useless admin tools |
| 11:13.16 | tarzeau | jtza8: badblocks |
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| 11:13.25 | jtza8 | tarzeau: thank |
| 11:13.26 | jtza8 | s |
| 11:13.59 | A-abcd | it only says ext3-s: mounted filesystem with ordered data; ext3 fs on hda1, internal journal |
| 11:14.06 | stereo | tarzeau: I've never tried icp, what do you like more about them? |
| 11:14.24 | fireba11 | A-abcd: that one looks okay |
| 11:14.24 | SpamHog | jm_, stereo: pardon my egnorunce, but do those actually do RAID in hardware or do they need the CPU to huff and puff? |
| 11:14.40 | fireba11 | noone got a clue for my problem ? |
| 11:14.55 | tarzeau | stereo: for 3ware there's 3w-xxxx drivers and 3w-9xxx the latter that i need is not in stock kernels |
| 11:15.05 | SpamHog | bad, bad blocks! you soiled the carpet! |
| 11:15.07 | tarzeau | stereo: for icp vortex, it's just one gdth, it's there for all |
| 11:15.23 | tarzeau | stereo: performance is better too, i don't remember exactly though |
| 11:15.32 | stereo | SpamHog: the 3ware cards do hardware raid |
| 11:15.53 | fireba11 | u usually can tell from the price if its hard-or software .. ^^ |
| 11:15.57 | antgel | fireba11: if you use stable, it shouldn't need upgrading except for security |
| 11:16.01 | liable | fireba11: raid setup? |
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| 11:16.10 | stereo | tarzeau: I see. I'll check them out the next time I'm shopping for raid. |
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| 11:16.25 | SpamHog | anyone ever did 0+1 with 4 laptop drives? (pls call me an idiot if you so wish) |
| 11:16.32 | tarzeau | stereo: how large are your raids? > 2 tb? |
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| 11:16.45 | stereo | no, smaller |
| 11:16.51 | zoar | Hallo! |
| 11:16.55 | fireba11 | liable: yes .. |
| 11:16.59 | tarzeau | stereo: which kernel do you use exactly? |
| 11:17.09 | zoar | Does somebody knows which is the name of the knoppix channel in spanish? |
| 11:17.14 | stereo | tarzeau: some flavour of 2.6 usually |
| 11:17.24 | tarzeau | zoar: #knoppix |
| 11:17.31 | jhaig | tarzeau: Thanks, I've just seen your reply now. Regarding which version, I have a default Sarge install with the 2.6.8 kernel, which I would use in preference. Alternatively, I would use 2.4.47 because that is also available. I have a patch for 2.6.12 already, but I would like to keep as close to the defaults install as possible. |
| 11:17.32 | fireba11 | antgel: i know .. but i found a PC here that hasn't upgraded in years ... |
| 11:18.07 | tarzeau | jhaig: i see. well then i can't be of help, we do our own kernels, for d-i and for running] |
| 11:18.11 | jm_ | jhaig: why is autofs not good enough? |
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| 11:18.39 | fireba11 | antgel: so i'm trying to find out if there is a way to do that :-) |
| 11:19.03 | liable | fireba11: if its striped dunno, but see what you can do with the hard drive upgrade howto.. |
| 11:19.06 | tarzeau | does someone know if bcm5700 is supported by broadcom tigon3 ? |
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| 11:19.19 | jhaig | jm_: Can you get autofs to allow floppy disks to be inserted and removed without manually unmounting? This isn't for me, but for people more used to 'Another OS', and /media/floppy tends to get left mounted. |
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| 11:19.20 | jm_ | tarzeau: no doubt someone knows ;) |
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| 11:19.28 | fireba11 | liable: just mirrored anyway |
| 11:19.55 | jm_ | jhaig: let me test, but you can specify a timeout after which it umounts it anyway |
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| 11:21.31 | jhaig | I found with automount, the mount points are not visible and nor do they appear in /etc/fstab, which means that gnome (and probably kde) does not know about it until it is mounted. Therefore, you do not see how to access the disk until you have already accessed it. Again, I repeat that this is not for me but for people more used to 'Another OS' :-/ |
| 11:21.36 | zoar | tarzeau: I'm sorry but #knoppix is not a spanish channel |
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| 11:21.39 | SpamHog | zoar: can't find Spanish channel! try the forum on http://www.knoppix-es.org/?q=forum |
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| 11:22.12 | tarzeau | zoar: well ask there, this is not a knoppix channel |
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| 11:22.19 | zoar | Thanks |
| 11:22.24 | jm_ | ahh well then autofs will not work |
| 11:22.38 | fireba11 | !es |
| 11:22.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:22.40 | litage | if a user has no login shell and no password, is it possible to run a command as them? (eg: su -c 'ls' userA) |
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| 11:22.51 | jhaig | I am willing to use something else instead of supermount, but I have yet to find something that works the same. |
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| 11:24.17 | c4a | HI!!! |
| 11:24.39 | c4a | I'm a new user of linux |
| 11:24.51 | c4a | to pa |
| 11:24.54 | c4a | to pà!!! |
| 11:25.14 | SpamHog | c4a: welcome! ask! |
| 11:25.34 | jhaig | Looks like he only wanted to announce his presence. |
| 11:26.16 | SpamHog | extroverted - good! |
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| 11:26.58 | SpamHog | (but what is "to pa" supposed to mean?) |
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| 11:27.13 | liable | !it |
| 11:27.13 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 11:28.22 | titounet | ch micke c thierry la |
| 11:28.38 | fireba11 | wth? |
| 11:28.40 | liable | !fr |
| 11:28.40 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:28.52 | SpamHog | !ee |
| 11:28.53 | dpkg | somebody said ee was for gEEks. Estonia |
| 11:29.21 | SpamHog | where noone needs anithing much localized anyway |
| 11:29.31 | SpamHog | :) |
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| 11:54.09 | JL0gik_NS | ? |
| 11:54.17 | JL0gik_NS | as400 is not a program |
| 11:54.20 | antgel | mozilla-mplayer crashes mozilla more times than i've had hot dinners |
| 11:54.45 | chea1 | antgel: you should try a free Flash player |
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| 11:54.57 | tarzeau | antgel: there exist that many webpages that you can use mozilla-mplayer on? |
| 11:55.07 | tarzeau | chea1: on powerpc? |
| 11:55.08 | griffle | debian is gay! go install windows already! lilo is ghey! |
| 11:55.14 | griffle | linux sucks |
| 11:55.14 | griffle | ! |
| 11:55.16 | tarzeau | !gay |
| 11:55.16 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 11:55.41 | xelam | griffle: piss off |
| 11:55.42 | finn | yes. calling something gay always wins a conversation |
| 11:55.54 | griffle | i win, doo doo in your mouths |
| 11:56.02 | griffle | i used keyword gay |
| 11:56.04 | xelam | fraid not :) |
| 11:56.04 | antgel | has he gone? i blocked joins and parts when the spambots arrived |
| 11:56.06 | chea1 | tarzeau: that would probably just be worst |
| 11:56.27 | finn | I block join/part/quit by default |
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| 11:56.37 | Ronin | i see the children are on again today |
| 11:56.51 | griffle | ubuntu kicks the crap out of debian anyway |
| 11:56.56 | xelam | lol |
| 11:56.56 | griffle | yall should just use a real os |
| 11:57.15 | finn | /ignore saves the day |
| 11:57.22 | Ronin | boring griffle the spambots do better then that |
| 11:57.27 | tarzeau | i wish i had a solution for the firefox/thunderbird problem: "I can not open web pages by clicking links in the mail message and vice versa can not send e-mail by clicking e-mail link in Firefox" |
| 11:57.51 | griffle | hey, at least i'm trying |
| 11:57.59 | titounet | PLEASE HOW CAN ME REGISTER |
| 11:58.05 | titounet | I CANT SEND MESSAGE FROM ANYBODY |
| 11:58.07 | streuner | griffle: are you one of these kick/ban people who likes it? |
| 11:58.08 | titounet | HELLO |
| 11:58.09 | Ronin | titounet: /msg nickserv help |
| 11:58.13 | antgel | tarzeau: it's out there. something to do with user.js or prefs.js i think |
| 11:58.14 | xelam | sigh |
| 11:58.16 | Ronin | and press teh caps lock on your keyboard |
| 11:58.21 | griffle | i time my troll to ban ratio |
| 11:58.23 | streuner | titounet: /msg nickserv help |
| 11:58.23 | useruser | tarzeau: there's an extension for firefox that lets you specify apps for mailto: links |
| 11:58.29 | xelam | titounet: /quit |
| 11:58.31 | antgel | titounet, meet griffle. griffle meet titounet. |
| 11:58.40 | griffle | i have a vb.net application i wrote to keep track of the trolling efforts |
| 11:58.46 | griffle | it even records the conversation |
| 11:58.48 | useruser | tarzeau: but I forgot the name :-) linky? or mozex or something? |
| 11:59.03 | streuner | use ignore and don't feed the troll... |
| 11:59.03 | antgel | useruser: mozex is deprecated |
| 11:59.09 | chealer | tarzeau: I have partially solved the second issue with some manual operation |
| 11:59.13 | antgel | streuner: like that you mean? |
| 11:59.18 | antgel | ;) |
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| 11:59.47 | griffle | i lol'd |
| 12:00.09 | Ronin | ahhh, much better |
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| 12:00.13 | tarzeau | antgel: could you find out the details? that'd save my MONTH! |
| 12:00.21 | griffle | you people are sooooo boreing |
| 12:00.26 | griffle | i am not being entertained here |
| 12:00.27 | antgel | tarzeau: nah, but i got them from google :P |
| 12:00.28 | tarzeau | useruser: yeah i heard of it, i found two things, and i was to stupid to get it to work |
| 12:00.33 | griffle | no quick ban, no skizzy comments |
| 12:00.36 | griffle | whats the deal? |
| 12:00.47 | tarzeau | useruser: yes, exactly these two, i don't understand how to install them |
| 12:00.58 | antgel | tarzeau: mozex is deprecated. very. |
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| 12:01.03 | tarzeau | useruser: besides i'd like that to preconfigure for 3000 users , and not have them do it each on their own |
| 12:01.14 | tarzeau | antgel: i have mozilla 1.7.12 and firefox 1.0.7 and thunderbird 1.0.7 |
| 12:01.19 | patricius | why do I have an error: lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented? |
| 12:01.26 | griffle | dlsjkfg;lksdagka |
| 12:01.26 | griffle | sfdg |
| 12:01.27 | griffle | afg |
| 12:01.28 | griffle | adfgoldfkgkadf;gkad;flkgadfg |
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| 12:01.29 | tarzeau | antgel: i noticed, that's probably the reason i couldn't install linky and mozex |
| 12:01.34 | streuner | !QM_MODULES |
| 12:01.34 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or if you are using woody you must upgrade to sarge to use a 2.6 kernel, ask me about woody->sarge |
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| 12:01.46 | titounet | micka ? |
| 12:01.49 | griffle | gaywads |
| 12:01.49 | tarzeau | chealer: how was that manual operation, tell me all please |
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| 12:02.11 | griffle | lilo is a homosexual |
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| 12:02.22 | sussudio_ | kawfeh? |
| 12:02.22 | xelam | griffle: so'm I |
| 12:02.24 | titounet | allo |
| 12:02.29 | griffle | y r u gay? |
| 12:02.41 | griffle | are yall gay together? |
| 12:02.43 | titounet | ALLO |
| 12:02.47 | griffle | u and lilo |
| 12:02.48 | griffle | ? |
| 12:02.50 | Ronin | yes titounet we see you |
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| 12:02.55 | xelam | sorry, the only one-letter words in English are "a" and "I" |
| 12:03.05 | SpamHog | titounet: what do you want????? |
| 12:03.11 | antgel | tarzeau: in prefs.js, add user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mailto", "/usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird"); |
| 12:03.16 | sussudio_ | !ops lame little troll griffle |
| 12:03.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: lame little troll griffle |
| 12:03.25 | Masonary | route |
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| 12:03.32 | sussudio_ | ktnx |
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| 12:03.40 | tarzeau | antgel: can it be just "thunderbird" without full path? |
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| 12:03.52 | CAiRO | is 'dia' the best application of its type or are there similar ones that do their job better? |
| 12:03.54 | antgel | tarzeau: depends on your system |
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| 12:04.21 | scanwinder | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.23 | bob2 | CAiRO: if you're looking for general vector stuff, you might like sodipodi or inkscape |
| 12:04.26 | tarzeau | CAiRO: it's horrible if you ask me |
| 12:04.28 | bob2 | scanwinder: install build-essential |
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| 12:04.36 | tarzeau | there's also cenon.app |
| 12:04.41 | titounet | ALLO |
| 12:04.43 | scanwinder | thanks |
| 12:04.46 | jm_ | and xfig ;) |
| 12:04.54 | Ronin | titounet: yes hello we see you, what do you want |
| 12:04.58 | bob2 | hah, true |
| 12:05.26 | tarzeau | i've seen people use xfig and xpaint... |
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| 12:06.45 | titounet | HELLO |
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| 12:07.07 | stereo | titounet: desactive les majuscules stp |
| 12:07.11 | titounet | i cant speak to a person how can i do for register ?? |
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| 12:07.20 | streuner | titounet: /msg nickserv help |
| 12:07.23 | Ronin | titounet: youve been told several times /msg nickserv help |
| 12:07.27 | jm_ | titounet: this is not Debian related, ask elsewhere |
| 12:07.35 | titounet | je narrive pas a menregistrer comment faire pour ecrire en pv a quelqun? |
| 12:07.40 | stereo | titounet: /msg nickserv help |
| 12:07.40 | tarzeau | !fr |
| 12:07.40 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 12:08.07 | jm_ | indeed |
| 12:08.09 | streuner | wth, is troll-time today? :-) |
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| 12:08.45 | _zap_ | hi. does anyone know how to clone the tty0 to ttyS0? |
| 12:08.54 | Ronin | streuner: today? |
| 12:08.55 | tarzeau | _zap_: it's not the same thing |
| 12:09.03 | streuner | Ronin: hehe :-) |
| 12:09.18 | xelam | titounet: stop trying |
| 12:09.35 | _zap_ | tarzeau: hm, basically i want to log a kernel panic which happens when i'm in X |
| 12:09.55 | jm_ | _zap_: use minicom on the other end |
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| 12:10.07 | jm_ | or ser2net or whatever |
| 12:10.11 | _zap_ | tarzeau: therefore it would be nice to have the virtual console output be copied to the serial line |
| 12:10.16 | _zap_ | jm_: i am using kermit. |
| 12:10.31 | jm_ | _zap_: so you have everything in place then |
| 12:10.35 | titounet | WHO CAN TALK TO MICKA PLEASE |
| 12:10.38 | Wyzard | _zap_: There's serial console support, but you'd have to compile a custom kernel to enable it... I don't think it's enabled in Debian's stock kernels |
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| 12:10.58 | jm_ | I would be surprised if that's not enabled, you just need to activate it |
| 12:11.02 | _zap_ | jm_: you mean i simply run kermit on both sides? |
| 12:11.13 | jim | titounet: WANT PLAY THE QUACK? QUAKC! |
| 12:11.27 | jm_ | _zap_: no, on the terminal side and tell the server where X is running that it should use ttyS0 for console - read serial-console.txt |
| 12:11.56 | Ronin | titounet: you need to type /quit then you can msg micka |
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| 12:12.13 | _zap_ | Wyzard, jm_: i tried "console=tty0 console=ttyS0" as kernel option. during kernel boot i am getting data but as soon as init starts, kermit disconnects |
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| 12:12.39 | jm_ | _zap_: how about speed settings? |
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| 12:12.56 | jm_ | _zap_: I would specify ttyS0 last |
| 12:13.11 | Wyzard | titounet: Well, you've shown that you can type IRC commands, at least |
| 12:13.12 | _zap_ | jm_: since i get data during the early boot stage, it is fine but something is changed when init is booted |
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| 12:13.18 | Wyzard | titounet: Type "/msg nickserv help" |
| 12:13.28 | jm_ | _zap_: that's when /dev/console is opened, do as I said |
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| 12:13.42 | _zap_ | jm_: ok, i try the other way around |
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| 12:14.10 | jim | titounet: to set your quit message, type /quit msg <your message here> |
| 12:14.15 | jm_ | ahh it defaults to 9600n8, that's why it works - I use 57600 or 115200, I forgot |
| 12:15.05 | _zap_ | jm_: i forgot to mention that i have used console=ttyS0,115200 |
| 12:15.56 | _zap_ | jm_: i will now test both orders and then get back |
| 12:16.07 | jim | and you must get a blistering 11.5k/sec transfer rate :) |
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| 12:16.51 | jm_ | !115200 / 1024 |
| 12:16.51 | dpkg | 112.5 |
| 12:17.02 | titounet | please help me |
| 12:17.10 | jim | you forget the stop/start bits |
| 12:17.11 | titounet | i cant send message privat with anyone |
| 12:17.18 | titounet | i dont undersant how register |
| 12:17.28 | jethro | @annoy titounet |
| 12:17.29 | ravenbird_ | titounet: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 12:17.35 | Wyzard | titounet: /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 12:17.39 | jethro | titounet: /msg nickserv help |
| 12:17.59 | jm_ | yeah, 20% less or so |
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| 12:18.14 | jm_ | just wanted it in k-s |
| 12:18.21 | jim | or find the person on whatever channel he's on and join |
| 12:18.43 | Handmade | hu.... Let take denner!!! |
| 12:18.49 | jm_ | I hope someday they add a new command to nickserv "helpme" which kills the user ;) |
| 12:18.56 | Handmade | hu.... Let take dinner!!! |
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| 12:19.07 | jim | the server is set to deny any /msgs by unregistered users... /msg nickserv help to find out how to register |
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| 12:19.27 | titounet | the nickanme titounet is already registered it say to me |
| 12:19.40 | titounet | but when i want to speak with a person he tell me im not registered |
| 12:19.42 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 12:19.46 | jethro | baad luck |
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| 12:19.55 | streuner | titounet: choose another nick then |
| 12:20.01 | jim | find a different nick |
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| 12:20.42 | jethro | titounet: /join #freenode, or any other chan that is more appropriate than #debian for such questions |
| 12:20.57 | da_bon_bon | i usuall keep my adsl router off. can i set up debian such that my net remains deacivated, and when i plug in the socket , it automaticcally runs a specific command ? (dhcpcd in my case) |
| 12:20.59 | jim | or maybe you regd successfully and now you just have to use your password... in any case, none of that is anything we have any control over, so go to #freenode where they -do- have control |
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| 12:21.38 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: apt-cache show ifplugd |
| 12:21.45 | da_bon_bon | thanks, Wyzard |
| 12:21.48 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: does ifup/ifdown when cables are connected and disconnected |
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| 12:22.05 | da_bon_bon | Wyzard: cant be configured to do dhcpd instead ? |
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| 12:22.26 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: dhcpd, the server? Or dhcpcd, the client? |
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| 12:22.29 | jm_ | da_bon_bon: why don't you read about ifup/ifdown and ifplugd instead of asking here? |
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| 12:23.06 | jim | da_bon_bon: like most things in debian, it's probably general enough for you to do just about anything you want... but there is a cost |
| 12:23.22 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: It does whatever ifup would do... configure ifup to use dhcpcd for its DHCP needs, and ifplugd will too |
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| 12:23.26 | _zap_ | jm_: now, it disconnects sometime during kernel boot (before init). moreover, the output i get with kermit is "ugly", i.e. there don't seem to be newlines |
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| 12:23.44 | _zap_ | jm_: does it make sense to use lower baud rates? |
| 12:23.55 | jm_ | _zap_: I never tried kermit, I use minicom - sure, you can also try using lower rate |
| 12:23.55 | da_bon_bon | ok, Wyzard jim and jm_ |
| 12:24.33 | Wyzard | hmm, kermit and 9600bps... I could log my console to my HP48 calculator :-) |
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| 12:25.18 | jm_ | I used 2400bps modem (no v32bis on it) for telnet + IRC back then ;) |
| 12:25.39 | jim | he's not curious about the cost... |
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| 12:26.06 | da_bon_bon | to use ifplugd, do i need to add my eth0 connection to /etc/network/interface ? |
| 12:26.11 | Wyzard | yes |
| 12:26.33 | Wyzard | Get ifup/ifdown (which you can run manually from a shell) working properly first |
| 12:26.40 | Wyzard | Then install ifplugd |
| 12:26.58 | jim | how does ifplugd know? |
| 12:27.07 | da_bon_bon | magic ? |
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| 12:27.41 | da_bon_bon | some packages display helpful info while installing .. how do i get that back ? |
| 12:27.46 | Wyzard | All modern network cards provide a way to check, from software, whether a cable is plugged in and what the network speed is |
| 12:28.00 | jm_ | using kernel API-s |
| 12:28.10 | _zap_ | jm_: very strange, with 9600 baud i don't get any data. a framebuffer cannot be the cause of the problem, can it` |
| 12:28.11 | micka | in bash type "export" :command not found what package please ? |
| 12:28.11 | da_bon_bon | dhcpcd told me how to confiugre /etc/netowrk/interfaces , but i ignored it back then.. now i want to read it again. |
| 12:28.12 | Wyzard | The "mii-diag" package can show you that info, btw |
| 12:28.20 | Wyzard | man interfaces |
| 12:28.22 | micka | name of package for man color |
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| 12:28.34 | bbrazil | micka: that isn't bash |
| 12:28.40 | jm_ | _zap_: no, but make sure you configured both sides the same way |
| 12:28.45 | jim | micka: someone was looking for you |
| 12:28.54 | petemc | micka: most |
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| 12:29.25 | micka | also have strange in man page i have set unicode man view this :'Lines starting with �^@~^X#�^@~^Y' |
| 12:29.33 | jim | * titounet (i=tf75020@m9.net81-66-160.noos.fr) has joined #debian |
| 12:29.50 | micka | bbrazil: in gentoo export command work what is export ? env |
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| 12:30.00 | jim | he can't /msg you because he doesn't know how to use nickserv |
| 12:30.04 | bbrazil | micka: export is a bash internal command |
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| 12:30.23 | jm_ | they're both equally confused - should get along nicely |
| 12:30.23 | Cope | is there a general colour code for soundcards? The symbols are meaningless, but I have red, green and pink sockets. Or is this manufactuer specific? |
| 12:30.36 | petemc | Cope: green is sound out |
| 12:30.37 | jm_ | Cope: yes |
| 12:30.38 | bertz | hello, quick a probably easy q |
| 12:30.41 | micka | bbrazil: ok i understand with for do in * > in bash interactive |
| 12:30.45 | da_bon_bon | can someone point me to links showing me how to configure /etc/network/interfaces , to add my dhcp connection ? |
| 12:30.58 | Cope | petemc: great, so blue is line in for recording? |
| 12:31.01 | jim | micka: did you get all that? oh well, it's there.. scrollback if not |
| 12:31.09 | jm_ | man interfaces ; read /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/* ; /msg dpkg interfaces ; apt-cache show etherconf ... |
| 12:31.15 | micka | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:31.15 | Wyzard | da_bon_bon: "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 12:31.17 | petemc | Cope: cant remember off hand, there arent that many combinations :) |
| 12:31.38 | bertz | have a secondary slave fat32 drive, debian successfully installed on first drive. Secondary drive i would expect to mount at hdb but nothing is there? any ideas how to mount this drive? |
| 12:31.43 | bbrazil | micka: ?? |
| 12:31.56 | da_bon_bon | i need to run .. tuitions .. i will be back to ask :) |
| 12:31.56 | da_bon_bon | cya |
| 12:32.01 | da_bon_bon | thansk, Wyzard |
| 12:32.14 | petemc | bertz: fdisk -l /dev/hdb , see what partitions there are, then mount them to some dir in /mnt |
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| 12:32.45 | jim | bertz: why do you want to mount a win partition? it's fairly incompatible and hard to get who you want to be able to write to it |
| 12:32.56 | petemc | bertz: you may want to put entries in fstab to have them mounted automatically |
| 12:32.58 | bertz | petemc: thats the problem it returns nothing |
| 12:33.10 | petemc | bertz: dmesg|grep hd |
| 12:33.32 | petemc | jim: what sort of a question is that? people want to get data off disk, thats why they have them |
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| 12:33.49 | jm_ | don't forget putting data on disk! |
| 12:34.11 | elirips | anyone knows what could be the reason: 10 minutes ago i copied a 350MB file to my external harddisk (to a fat32-partition), at a data-rate of almost 10MB/sec, now that i'm copying other files (also around 300MB each) to the ext3-partition of the harddisk, the rate is only about 3-5MB/s. The source-files are on the same partition (ext3). any ideas? |
| 12:34.34 | petemc | jim: true :) |
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| 12:34.37 | petemc | gah, jm_ |
| 12:34.43 | bertz | petemc: it sees it fine |
| 12:34.52 | petemc | bertz: that tells us nothing |
| 12:35.05 | bertz | petemc: this is ture |
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| 12:35.16 | jm_ | bertz: if the partitions aren't listed in /proc/partitions, then it either failed to recognize/read partition table or there are no partitions on it |
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| 12:35.41 | shocker | i just installed debian and im trying to install a program with apt-get and im getting a e2fsprogs erro, what can i do? |
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| 12:35.56 | bertz | jm_: ok i will have a look into this |
| 12:36.03 | jim | petemc: sure, but later they're going to find it maybe too much of a hassle and just get a large drive for linux including a partition that windows could mount (so that's how they would share data) and lvm the rest of the drive |
| 12:36.09 | jim | or something :) |
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| 12:37.01 | micka | in man page ^A^@^@^@ @^@^U u 9C #A0 @^@^V8D ....@..u.#. @... |
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| 12:37.51 | micka | jim: i have set alias man="LANG=C man" |
| 12:37.58 | micka | /etc/profile |
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| 12:38.06 | nkuttler | shocker: you just installed it? what installer did you use? |
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| 12:38.42 | jim | micka: but did you get what I was saying about some dude that wanted to talk to you |
| 12:38.43 | CountZ | I can't find where my global path is set for user root |
| 12:38.51 | CountZ | I looked in /root/.bashrc |
| 12:38.53 | CountZ | and in /etc/profile |
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| 12:39.24 | jimjam | so how do you install a debian package? |
| 12:39.29 | Guerin | CountZ: and ~/.bash_profile |
| 12:39.38 | Ronin | jimjam: man apt-get |
| 12:39.40 | shocker | nkuttler: netinstall |
| 12:39.54 | jimjam | i have downloaded a .deb file :) |
| 12:39.57 | jim | dpkg --help (incase that debian package is in a local .deb file() |
| 12:39.58 | dpkg | jim: what are you talking about? |
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| 13:14.14 | _zap_ | somehow "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200" does not work properly due to disconnects. what other options do i have in order to make the output of tty0 appear on ttyS0? i don't have to see the output at boot time. |
| 13:14.33 | chealer | Danar: you can enter Unicode codes in GTK apps. I don't know of any other way |
| 13:14.35 | jm_ | _zap_: how come it worked before? |
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| 13:14.47 | Danar | chealer, how? |
| 13:14.52 | scanwinder | ok im getting some errors when i try to "make" tmsnc can someone have a look at it for me? i put it on pastebin http://pastebin.com/384925 |
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| 13:15.09 | wsilva | people, how can i install de j2re? |
| 13:15.10 | jm_ | xkeysw can be used to easily enter arbitrary characters |
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| 13:15.24 | cmdKeen | !java |
| 13:15.24 | dpkg | [java] Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 13:15.33 | chealer | Danar: while holding Ctrl and Shift, you enter the hexadecimal value |
| 13:15.33 | Kjetil | can I reinstall a package without reinstalling all the deps with apt-get ? |
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| 13:15.44 | _zap_ | jm_: well, with 115200, i get some data (but no newlines => ugly, hardly readable output) but at some point the line is disconnected. with 9600 baud i don't see anything at all |
| 13:15.45 | chealer | Kjetil: yes |
| 13:15.47 | Danar | chealer, nice. thanks |
| 13:15.59 | Kjetil | chealer: how ? |
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| 13:16.12 | jm_ | _zap_: 9600 on both sides? did you try something other than kermit? |
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| 13:16.17 | Kjetil | chealer: or rather all the programs depending on the program |
| 13:16.19 | wsilva | how can i install java? |
| 13:16.24 | mortum | bye |
| 13:16.42 | cmdKeen | !tell wsilva about java |
| 13:16.43 | Danar | wsilva, did you see dpkg's comment? |
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| 13:16.59 | chealer | Kjetil: ah. then I don't know if apt-get --reinstall can't do that |
| 13:17.01 | _zap_ | jm_: yes, on both sides. i tried with kermit only so far but let me add that kermit to a getty has worked quite well on this line before. |
| 13:17.27 | titoune | whats is the manip to know since how minutes are connect somebody |
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| 13:17.42 | wsilva | yep.. |
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| 13:17.58 | _zap_ | jm_: isn't there another option to make the output of tty0 go to ttyS0 |
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| 13:18.01 | wsilva | to be honest i`m trying to install a software called freemind |
| 13:18.13 | jm_ | _zap_: it's not tty0, it's console |
| 13:18.26 | _zap_ | jm_: ok, then console |
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| 13:18.43 | cmdKeen | I have 'user ALL:ALL' in /etc/sudoers but when i run sudo first time it wants my user password... how can I disable this ? |
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| 13:18.50 | jm_ | _zap_: not really, there used to be net-console patch, but it has been abandoned IIRC |
| 13:18.51 | Kjetil | chealer: damn |
| 13:18.57 | jaybuffet | ok so this is my issue... i have a vpn server listening directly on the net... i can connect to it if i plug in to one of the ports on the cable modem.. but when i go home and try to connect it wont... even if i connect straight to the net... not firewall.. |
| 13:19.11 | Danar | cmdKeen, why would you want to do that? |
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| 13:19.20 | Kjetil | chealer: my perl-base is slighty fucked up, but I don't want to reinstall all the programs depending on perl |
| 13:19.21 | _zap_ | jm_: i mean i could use screen (have not yet tried) |
| 13:19.27 | mwilson | cmdKeen: man 5 sudoers,but why would you do something silly like that? |
| 13:19.32 | chealer | Kjetil, hehe, I guess |
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| 13:19.47 | _zap_ | jm_: the only thing i want to achieve is to see what happens on the console when my X freezes |
| 13:20.11 | _zap_ | jm_: i'm open to alternative ideas :) |
| 13:20.17 | kosh[0] | hi, I'm trying to access my sftp server through macromedia dreamweaver, it can update the remote server using sftp see, but when I try, it fails to connect, yet if I sftp user@localhost, it'll connect and ask me for a password, so the server is running, just possibly not available to anyone outside localhost? |
| 13:20.21 | jm_ | _zap_: screen won't capture panic log - you need console on ttyS |
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| 13:20.38 | cmdKeen | Danar, mwilson : Tell me why wouldn't I ond isolated desktop with one user ? |
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| 13:21.07 | kosh[0] | Kjetil: can't you just force a reinstall of perl-base? or will fixing perl-base backto normal mess up everything else? like custom modifications? |
| 13:21.09 | _zap_ | jm_: can i make ttyS go over serial line? |
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| 13:21.20 | Danar | cmdKeen, you could always log in as root :p |
| 13:21.22 | jm_ | _zap_: normally panics are logged, but some of them are bad enough so they can't be logged, I suppose this is what happens to you -- ttyS is a serial device |
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| 13:21.33 | _zap_ | jm_: argh |
| 13:21.36 | _zap_ | jm_: of course |
| 13:21.51 | _zap_ | jm_: yes, it is |
| 13:21.54 | Kjetil | kosh[0]: how ? |
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| 13:22.24 | _zap_ | jm_: i thought about using a network enabled klogger |
| 13:22.30 | kosh[0] | kjetil, if you type dpkg --help, you'll notice "force" |
| 13:22.38 | Kjetil | okay |
| 13:22.40 | cmdKeen | Danar: heh, I am actually disgusted of needing to type my pass each time I start synaptic or reboorting pc... |
| 13:22.45 | jm_ | _zap_: I looked if there are patches for newer kernels, but couldn't find them |
| 13:22.49 | _zap_ | jm_: but i think with a serial conn., chances are better that the panic get through |
| 13:22.49 | kosh[0] | you can just get hold of perl-base debian file from somewhere, you can force it to install |
| 13:22.58 | _zap_ | jm_: thanks for your efforts |
| 13:23.02 | Danar | cmdKeen, you need to type your pass when rebooting? you can fix that |
| 13:23.11 | _zap_ | jm_: so i am basically stuck with the console parameter |
| 13:23.11 | jm_ | _zap_: yes, I find it surprising that 9600 doesn't work, it should be pretty safe setting |
| 13:23.18 | _zap_ | jm_: i thought so too |
| 13:23.26 | _zap_ | jm_: i will try minicom now |
| 13:23.28 | cmdKeen | Danar: well, that was my question:) |
| 13:23.33 | jm_ | _zap_: tried with just console=ttyS0,9600 (no console on VGA)? |
| 13:23.39 | Danar | cmdKeen, that's not the question i saw |
| 13:23.47 | scanwinder | im getting some errors when i try to "make" tmsnc can someone have a look at it for me? i put a log with the error on pastebin http://pastebin.com/384925 |
| 13:23.56 | jm_ | _zap_: wait, one thing popped into my mind - do you use bootlogd? |
| 13:23.57 | Danar | cmdKeen, i saw you ask how to get rid of the pass prompt when using sudo |
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| 13:24.00 | _zap_ | jm_: no i haven't tried that |
| 13:24.04 | kosh[0] | Kjetil: but do dpkg --force-help to find out more options about what choices you got, it can be complex, so figure out which you need and do it |
| 13:24.08 | _zap_ | jm_: no |
| 13:24.20 | Danar | cmdKeen, but you can make it so any user can reboot |
| 13:24.25 | cmdKeen | Danar: well, I wanted to know how would i do that. |
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| 13:24.41 | Danar | cmdKeen, not sure how, but i can on my system. i believe i used bastille for that |
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| 13:26.00 | cahoot | cmdKeen: as someone told you before - man 5 sudoers - look for NOPASSWD |
| 13:26.03 | _zap_ | jm_: still bootlogd is a user space daemon, isn't it? so at least the kernel boot messages should be received properly but there are no newlines (as i said) |
| 13:26.10 | Kjetil | kosh[0]: thanks |
| 13:26.26 | Danar | cahoot, that's a little excessive. he only wants to be able to reboot without the password |
| 13:26.37 | Hendric | i'm trying to install debian using the bizcard image on a slow DELL Optiplex computer. can i apt-get the packages after installing the base system? |
| 13:26.57 | jm_ | _zap_: yeah, but it can cause booting to stop on serial console if you have it enabled |
| 13:27.38 | jm_ | Danar: shutdown can be used by normal users |
| 13:28.03 | Danar | jm_, apparently not on his box |
| 13:28.05 | _zap_ | jm_: ah ok. at first the disconnect was right before init but now it is even earlier |
| 13:28.13 | cmdKeen | cahoot: I know about NOPASSWD, I was just curious about how can... resp how would I disable pass promt... well, I am going to read man a bit:-/ |
| 13:28.14 | jm_ | Danar: because he didn't configure it properly |
| 13:28.19 | jaybuffet | ok so this is my issue... i have a vpn server listening directly on the net... i can connect to it if i plug in to one of the ports on the cable modem.. but when i go home and try to connect it wont... even if i connect straight to the net... no firewall.. any ideas ? |
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| 13:28.23 | Danar | jm_, that's why he's in here |
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| 13:28.29 | scanwinder | when i try 2 make tmsnc, im getting this error "cannot stat 't-en.gmo': no such file or directory" |
| 13:28.50 | scanwinder | anyone know how2 fix it? |
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| 13:29.00 | jm_ | Danar: yes, but he's asking about sudo, not about shutdown |
| 13:29.20 | Danar | jm_, *was. he has since clarified |
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| 13:30.05 | cmdKeen | Danar: jep, that's it, I was just lazy to study sudo manpage.. sry about that, I am going to do it now. |
| 13:30.07 | jm_ | ok man shutdown has details |
| 13:30.32 | Danar | cmdKeen, i'd recommend man shutdown instead |
| 13:30.42 | _zap_ | jm_: i am not familiar with minicom. does it suffice to configure "serial port setup" and then wait for incoming data? |
| 13:31.00 | Danar | cmdKeen, and man reboot |
| 13:31.12 | jm_ | _zap_: yes, I forgot the details, does status line lsit device and settings? |
| 13:31.15 | Kjetil | Apparently the problem is my Irssi which default to a version of perl which isn't installed on the system anymore |
| 13:31.18 | seashells | how do i tell apt to automatically install all the dependencies for my package ? |
| 13:31.31 | petemc | seashells: you shouldnt have to |
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| 13:31.57 | EtherNet_Work | hello |
| 13:32.18 | _zap_ | jm_: it says: 115200 8N1 | NOR | Minicom 2.1 | VT102 | Offline |
| 13:32.25 | JMF | hello all :) |
| 13:32.28 | seashells | petemc: i have to manually install all the dependencies ? |
| 13:32.28 | jm_ | _zap_: looks OK |
| 13:32.31 | _zap_ | jm_: ok |
| 13:32.34 | EtherNet_Work | is there a way to run a daemon in a Linux Debian NAT machine which has lot of machine browsing internet from it, for knowing what sites they have visited, all the info related to the sites they browse, by making an email report, html out, or whatever ? |
| 13:32.37 | _zap_ | jm_: then i reboot |
| 13:32.42 | petemc | seashells: no, apt should do that for you |
| 13:32.54 | jm_ | EtherNet_Work: proxy |
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| 13:33.02 | petemc | EtherNet_Work: use squid and sarg |
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| 13:33.11 | Danar | hm. dpkg says (essentially) that c++ is evil and c is good... |
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| 13:33.17 | EtherNet_Work | petemc, lemme check |
| 13:33.17 | JMF | I am trying to install a Debian Sarge on a Dell Optiplex GX620 server and the Serial-ATA hard drive is not recognized |
| 13:33.29 | JMF | how can I get it recognized please ? |
| 13:33.31 | Danar | can't see all the comment though |
| 13:33.49 | petemc | JMF: theres a dell installer, google for debian dell |
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| 13:33.54 | jm_ | because it's not in path |
| 13:34.00 | blaamann | At last I managed to build mplayerplug-in from source. apt-get gave me all I needed to build it except gecko devel files. |
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| 13:34.15 | Danar | cmdKeen, maybe make a link in your path? |
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| 13:34.50 | JMF | petemc : Thanks, in fact I already found it but it has a 2.4 kernel which is quite old isn't it ? |
| 13:34.57 | _zap_ | jm_: hm, the output is completely broken |
| 13:35.10 | jm_ | _zap_: that happens with wrong speed setting |
| 13:35.18 | petemc | JMF: not really, but if you dont want to use it, go right ahead and use something else |
| 13:35.19 | JMF | petemc : won't I get in trouble later when upgrading packages ? |
| 13:35.24 | petemc | JMF: no |
| 13:35.39 | _zap_ | jm_: i try with 9600 on both sides now |
| 13:35.42 | tarzeau | ok it works with gconf.... |
| 13:36.08 | JMF | petemc : ok, thanks for the answer :) |
| 13:36.23 | petemc | np |
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| 13:36.58 | _zap_ | jm_: now it remains offline as kermit |
| 13:37.15 | jm_ | _zap_: it always displays offline for me |
| 13:37.15 | JMF | petemc : BTW I have a personnal computer that I plan to migrate to Debian, it is a self assembled box with a serial ATA drive (among others) will it be supported ? |
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| 13:37.43 | petemc | JMF: hard to say, find out which sata controller and see if its supported byt the linux kernekl |
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| 13:37.49 | _zap_ | jm_: previously with 115200, it displayed online if i remember correctly. anyway, i don't get any data :( |
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| 13:38.04 | cmdKeen | Can someone PM me his user's line from /etc/sudoers please ? |
| 13:38.08 | JMF | petemc : ok, thanks :) |
| 13:38.14 | jm_ | _zap_: I'll check later at home about the offline thing |
| 13:38.17 | _zap_ | jm_: i try other speed settings. do you have another idea? |
| 13:38.32 | _zap_ | jm_: thanks |
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| 13:39.09 | jm_ | _zap_: not really - this works just fine for me, maybe do simple stty tests stty < /dev/ttyS0 on one side, then on the other (without minicom/kermit started) |
| 13:39.16 | ruoso | hi... any binutils expert around? |
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| 13:39.58 | tarzeau | say i have configured a value with gnome prefs and can read it with: gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/mailto , how can i write it to 5000 computers? |
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| 13:40.09 | Danar | cmdKeen, user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 13:40.12 | tarzeau | well no, i just want to know how i can write it to one computer, and i can do the rest on my own |
| 13:40.21 | rob__ | hello everyone |
| 13:40.27 | rob__ | can sb help me? |
| 13:40.30 | jm_ | tarzeau: gconftool can set it |
| 13:40.35 | tarzeau | jm_: but how? |
| 13:40.36 | rob__ | i have a problem with apt-get |
| 13:40.37 | darkness | Say is aptitude just another package manager such as apt-get? |
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| 13:40.40 | _zap_ | jm_: ok |
| 13:40.46 | rob__ | and don't know what to do |
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| 13:40.50 | tarzeau | jm_: it gives me multiline output |
| 13:41.01 | jm_ | tarzeau: man page has an example of setting it |
| 13:41.18 | bibe | hi all. I have installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-jk2 from sarge, but I see that mod_jk2 module has been compiled without PCRE support. Do I have to build only libapache2-mod-jk2 or do I need to recompile apache2 too? |
| 13:41.43 | tarzeau | jm_: must i set each little entry with one call to gconftool? |
| 13:41.51 | tarzeau | jm_: the example is to change only one single line |
| 13:41.59 | tarzeau | jm_: i want to change like 20 lines or so |
| 13:42.20 | syphox | hey |
| 13:42.21 | Danar | darkness, front end for apt-get |
| 13:42.27 | Danar | er, apt |
| 13:42.30 | jm_ | tarzeau: I think you can use --set multiple times |
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| 13:42.46 | syphox | i tried to "apt-get install tclx8.4" and it gave me an error |
| 13:42.57 | tarzeau | jm_: ahhh my brain |
| 13:43.02 | syphox | then i did "apt-cache search tcl" |
| 13:43.05 | syphox | and it showed me tclx8.4 |
| 13:43.11 | tarzeau | jm_: regedit can do multiline shit and mac os x/gnustep/openstep can do it with defaults too |
| 13:43.16 | syphox | how do i install it though? since it can't find it |
| 13:43.32 | Danar | what was the error? |
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| 13:43.45 | scanwinder | when i try 2 make tmsnc, im getting this error "cannot stat 't-en.gmo': no such file or directory", anyone know how2 fix it? |
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| 13:44.03 | chealer | scanwinder, get that file |
| 13:44.03 | rob__ | I need sb to help me with apt-get, if someone has a few seconds to look at my problem msg me at priv |
| 13:44.13 | chealer | !msg me |
| 13:44.13 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg chealer. |
| 13:44.17 | scanwinder | chealer: where from? |
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| 13:44.25 | bigfish | how do i install java? |
| 13:44.32 | scanwinder | chealer: and where do i put it? |
| 13:44.35 | rob__ | so thanks |
| 13:44.37 | ThomasM | !info cone |
| 13:44.37 | rob__ | bye |
| 13:44.44 | Gwildor_ | scanwinder, do you know the location of the debian boot floppies (network install)? |
| 13:44.45 | Danar | !java |
| 13:44.45 | dpkg | [java] Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 13:44.57 | syphox | whats a good source mirror? |
| 13:45.03 | scanwinder | Gwildor_: no |
| 13:45.03 | Danar | bigfish, /msg dpkg install java |
| 13:45.07 | bigfish | thanks |
| 13:45.12 | Gwildor_ | scanwinder, ty |
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| 13:45.33 | Gwildor_ | scanwinder, i found http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 13:46.36 | scanwinder | Gwildor_: whats floppy images got 2 do with it? is t-en.gmo on 1 of them? |
| 13:46.46 | chealer | scanwinder, what's your release? |
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| 13:47.21 | Gwildor_ | scanwinder, lol, i was aking for myself, sorry for the confusion |
| 13:47.38 | Vixenos | nfs module is not compileed in 2.6.12-1-686 ? |
| 13:48.43 | scanwinder | chealer: its actually damn small linux 1.5 - which is debian based...and not many ppl in DSL channel so i asked here |
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| 13:50.18 | neuronyk | hi |
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| 13:50.43 | Gijs` | hello |
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| 13:50.53 | chealer | scanwinder, sorry, this is a Debian support channel |
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| 13:51.02 | syphox | Testing apt sources ... |
| 13:51.02 | syphox | 0% [Logging in] |
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| 13:51.13 | syphox | it hangs when i try and select a new ftp mirror for apt-get |
| 13:51.17 | syphox | which one works for everyone else? |
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| 13:51.35 | brullo | syphox: apt-setup ? |
| 13:51.41 | chealer | syphox, one that apt-setup proposes you. |
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| 13:51.48 | chealer | or another one that apt-setup proposes you |
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| 13:52.28 | syphox | i have done |
| 13:52.32 | brullo | syphox: I always avoid the ftp protocol in my apt sources list, I always use HTTP as it is much faster |
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| 13:53.44 | syphox | Testing apt sources ... |
| 13:53.44 | syphox | Err ftp://www.mirror.ac.uk stable/main Packages |
| 13:53.44 | syphox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:54.17 | syphox | thank you |
| 13:54.21 | syphox | http looks like it's working |
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| 13:55.22 | brullo | syphox: ALWAYS avoid the ancient FTP protocol ;-) |
| 13:55.24 | syphox | E: Package tcl has no installation candidate |
| 13:55.39 | syphox | how do i install tcl then ? :S |
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| 13:55.58 | azeem | syphox: install a specific version, like tcl8.4 (or whatever) |
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| 13:56.29 | brullo | syphox: I have no idea. have you tried apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install whateveryouwant |
| 13:56.45 | QUACH-VU | hellom i have rebooted my server in rescue mode and use SSH to connect into it, but i cant access or find any directory in my server |
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| 13:57.21 | QUACH-VU | hard disk of my server is full and i cant restart to start up my server, i needn log in into it to deletet some files |
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| 13:58.02 | brullo | QUACH-VU: boot it up from a rescue cd as knoppix and then mount and delete/move some files then |
| 13:58.13 | Bakka | hello.. |
| 13:58.30 | stew | QUACH-VU: *any* directoory? seems like you must have found at least /usr/sbin/sshd, right? which directory can't you find? |
| 13:58.32 | chumphries | anyone know how to fix the evolution dependency problem with libsoup2.2-7 (>= 2.2.3) ? |
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| 13:58.43 | Guerin | don't run unstable |
| 13:58.45 | chumphries | yet libsoup2.2-8 is installed |
| 13:58.47 | chumphries | ok |
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| 13:59.09 | QUACH-VU | stew my www directory |
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| 13:59.24 | stew | QUACH-VU: what exact path? is it on a partition that is not mounted? |
| 13:59.29 | brullo | Guerin: why not unstable? |
| 13:59.34 | stew | chumphries: what version of debian? |
| 13:59.34 | QUACH-VU | when i log in into rescue mode, old directoris are disappreared |
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| 13:59.42 | QUACH-VU | stew yes |
| 13:59.45 | chumphries | unstable |
| 13:59.52 | QUACH-VU | . /var/www |
| 13:59.59 | stew | chumphries: what exact error are you getting? checked the bts? |
| 14:00.05 | QUACH-VU | all my files and web is in that directory |
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| 14:00.14 | QUACH-VU | but in rescue mode i didnt see that directory |
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| 14:00.27 | chumphries | one sec |
| 14:00.31 | stew | QUACH-VU: is var on a partition that isn't mounted? look in /etc/fstab |
| 14:00.33 | gosam | are there any missing packages on sid are the packages that it wants to remove no longer needed ? ( a dist-upgrade) |
| 14:00.39 | stew | chumphries: don't paste here, btw, use paster or #flood |
| 14:00.41 | QUACH-VU | stew maybe is not mounted |
| 14:00.50 | chumphries | yes, i know :) |
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| 14:01.45 | gosam | anyone? |
| 14:01.49 | chealer | gosam, if you have to ask, sid isn't a release for you |
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| 14:02.24 | chumphries | http://channels.debian.net/paste/854 |
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| 14:02.42 | stew | chumphries: check the bts |
| 14:02.49 | gosam | chealer, ive been using it for nearly a year or so, sometimes even plunging into experimental,i'm just wondering if these packages are no longer neede. |
| 14:02.55 | paroneayea | anyone have any idea how to disable spamd from starting at startup? |
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| 14:03.28 | petemc | paroneayea: update-rc.d -f spamassassin remove |
| 14:03.30 | chealer | gosam, then you've been using the wrong release for nearly a year |
| 14:03.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi, im trying to set up a mirror using these instructions ( http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror ), but i get to a point in the config file where it says "# RSYNC_DIR is the directory given in the "Packages over rsync:" line of # the mirrors file for the site you have chosen to mirror. # (mandatory)" . where would i find this 'mirrors file' on a server? |
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| 14:03.47 | paroneayea | thanks petemc |
| 14:03.48 | paroneayea | :) |
| 14:04.05 | jbroome | paroneayea: rcconf is nice for doing that stuff too |
| 14:04.24 | gosam | chealer, that still doesnt answer my question. |
| 14:04.46 | cheal | gosam: only you can answer that question anyway |
| 14:05.23 | stew | chumphries: it looks like you have to install libsoup from testing for now |
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| 14:06.16 | chumphries | stew: ok thanks |
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| 14:12.05 | BadMan | mornin all |
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| 14:12.28 | jethro | win: 24 |
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| 14:13.00 | BadMan | I jsut did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and selected a 1600x1200 to add to my available resolutions.. restarted the xserver and still am not able to get aboe 1280x1024 any ideas? |
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| 14:13.47 | BadMan | my card is a agp nVidia GForce MX 4000 64mb and supports the res to my knowledge I am runn Debian Sarge |
| 14:14.14 | olfax | use #flood |
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| 14:17.03 | fbi | BadMan: did you attempt to edit that file by hand before reconfiguring it? |
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| 14:17.22 | BadMan | fbi: no, I used dpkg-reconfigure only |
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| 14:17.28 | fbi | BadMan: also make sure your monitor supports that resolution |
| 14:17.44 | stew | BadMan: read the log for the reason that it ditched the higher resolutions. |
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| 14:17.54 | BadMan | fbi: ok, will check those thx |
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| 14:18.20 | stew | BadMan: i'd guess that the refresh rates are out of range for your monitor settings |
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| 14:19.20 | olczyk | Hey. I want to write a utility to scan existing haqrd drives for "Windows" partitions, create a directory and an fstab entry for each partition which does not yet have one. Before I do that, is there something which exists already? |
| 14:19.22 | BadMan | fbi stew ; the monitor does not support higher than 1280x1024, my current |
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| 14:19.28 | BadMan | thansk for the response |
| 14:19.40 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 14:19.41 | BadMan | guesss I run reconfig again and remove that ... |
| 14:19.54 | sos | hola |
| 14:20.00 | fbi | !es |
| 14:20.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:20.29 | sos | gracias |
| 14:21.18 | cbr | $ sudo synaptic |
| 14:21.18 | cbr | Segmentation fault |
| 14:21.18 | BadMan | again thanks fbi and stew |
| 14:21.19 | cbr | HAHA |
| 14:21.21 | cbr | what the hell |
| 14:21.21 | BadMan | l8r |
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| 14:21.23 | fbi | no problem |
| 14:21.27 | cbr | the latest synaptic in unstable segfaults |
| 14:21.36 | tombs | sos, hola, puede ser que puedo ayudarte lo, que pasa? |
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| 14:22.24 | brosio | where can i found image of debian sid ? |
| 14:22.27 | brosio | netinstall |
| 14:22.33 | fbi | brosio: you can't |
| 14:23.09 | stew | brosio: none exists |
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| 14:23.48 | brosio | so |
| 14:23.52 | brosio | i can oly download |
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| 14:23.59 | brosio | netinst of testing |
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| 14:24.08 | brosio | and then change repository ? |
| 14:24.10 | nkuttler | cbr: unstable software in unstable? how surprising! |
| 14:24.20 | fbi | brosio: sarge will work too, either way you have to install and then upgrade |
| 14:24.50 | brosio | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:25.05 | brosio | can i use debian testing |
| 14:25.05 | brosio | ? |
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| 14:25.16 | fbi | brosio: you can use whatever you wish. |
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| 14:25.33 | nkuttler | brosio: it's not a good idea to use a testing installer |
| 14:25.52 | stew | nkuttler: sure it is, we need people to test it and report bugs :) |
| 14:25.55 | tvnguyen | he's going to use unstable which is more unstable then a beta installer |
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| 14:26.44 | nkuttler | stew: there's some truth to what you say |
| 14:27.10 | nkuttler | hm, truh in? |
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| 14:29.14 | dasnipa | speaking of bugs, anyone know what would cause a borked base install? ive attempted instll a number of times now with varying partition schemes (to rule out that as the culprit) but i always seem to get the same bunch of file not found errors resulting in kernal panic |
| 14:29.36 | dasnipa | its from the stable sarge installer btw |
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| 14:29.54 | nkuttler | dasnipa: what files are not found? |
| 14:29.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | screwy cd? |
| 14:30.29 | dasnipa | the cd made it thru the mb5 and the preinstall check |
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| 14:30.39 | darkness | Anyone know the cmd for making a boot disc? |
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| 14:30.46 | dasnipa | it cant find a bunch of modules.dep files |
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| 14:34.21 | fbi | and what so you mean by 'various partitioning schemes' |
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| 14:35.08 | dasnipa | first i tried with just a root dir, then a root, /home and /boot |
| 14:35.28 | fbi | try a / and a swap only maybe ? |
| 14:35.37 | fbi | just to see if it installs |
| 14:35.38 | dasnipa | tried that as well |
| 14:35.41 | BusMaster | hi, i installed sarge and there are a lot of missing classes in LyX...where can I get them? I did apt-cache search lyx for something like lyx-classes and ditto for apt-cache search tex, but I am not able to find anything |
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| 14:36.37 | fbi | dasnipa: i'd try installing with a 2.6 kernel just to see what happens |
| 14:36.58 | dasnipa | okay ill try that out in a bit here |
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| 14:37.56 | cbr | nkuttler: unstable shouldnt mean unusable ;) |
| 14:38.36 | dasnipa | itll take a bit to return unfortunately cuz of the way i gotta connect im at a uni and they block irc ports so i have to ssh/vnc into the math computer lab (which btw runs deb) and there the ports arent blocker |
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| 14:38.44 | Kuun-Lann | hello |
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| 14:41.01 | Lamex | heya all, a small question |
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| 14:41.25 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 14:41.37 | da_bon_bon | if i made a change to /etc/network/interfaces .. do i need to restart for changes to take effect ? |
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| 14:41.54 | tvnguyen | BusMaster: probably Sarge doesn't have those packaged |
| 14:42.08 | jaybuffet | could someone try openvpn connecting to my server ? |
| 14:42.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | da_bon_bon: you need to restart networking |
| 14:42.14 | fbi | da_bon_bon: restart the network |
| 14:42.15 | danieldg | da_bon_bon: you could use ifup and ifdown instead of restarting |
| 14:42.24 | da_bon_bon | how do i restart networking ? |
| 14:42.35 | Lamex | We have an image here made from debian, we try to update php to php5 with cacti stay installed, however at the comp where we create the image it wants to install php4 and at the comp where the image is installed it shows to update php5 |
| 14:42.44 | dimir | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 14:42.50 | da_bon_bon | thanks, dimir |
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| 14:42.56 | dimir | np |
| 14:43.03 | da_bon_bon | brb |
| 14:43.07 | Kuun-Lann | after setup firestarter .. amsn doesnt start wxith normal user .. But in root .. amsn works.. any idea ? |
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| 14:43.27 | fbi | what the heck is firestarter ? |
| 14:43.30 | danieldg | Kuun-Lann: does firestarter do OUTPUT filtering? |
| 14:43.37 | Kuun-Lann | danieldg: errr |
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| 14:43.40 | danieldg | fbi: a frontend to iptables |
| 14:43.40 | Kuun-Lann | danieldg: good question |
| 14:43.45 | fbi | pffffffffffft |
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| 14:43.53 | danieldg | Kuun-Lann: iptables -vL OUTPUT |
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| 14:44.14 | Glanzmann | Was there an update for the Xserver package in Sarge? |
| 14:44.16 | dimir | danieldg: you think it destinguishes users? |
| 14:44.21 | fbi | as if iptables needs a front-end |
| 14:44.22 | Glanzmann | Because my mouse wheel doesn't work anylonger. |
| 14:44.27 | Glanzmann | can somebody reproduce this? |
| 14:44.35 | Kuun-Lann | danieldg: next ? what do i need to do ? there is some lines |
| 14:44.45 | danieldg | dimir: That's my first guess, I set up my firewall to do that |
| 14:44.50 | fbi | Glanzmann: what happens when you reconfigure X |
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| 14:44.53 | Glanzmann | I have of course http://pbot.rmdir.de/22f22e2a7a1171c4851079db3dcd40bb (XF86Config-4) configured for z and y |
| 14:44.57 | dimir | Kuun-Lann: check what's amsn outputting, what is the error msg. Start it from the comman-line. |
| 14:45.06 | Glanzmann | fbi: Look at my paste, it is configured correctly. |
| 14:45.16 | fbi | bah |
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| 14:45.19 | Glanzmann | How do I get the date of a package? |
| 14:45.19 | fbi | i'm in console |
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| 14:45.36 | da_bon_bon | doesnt work |
| 14:45.40 | Glanzmann | fbi: Try wget -o /dev/null -O - http://pbot.rmdir.de/22f22e2a7a1171c4851079db3dcd40bb | less |
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| 14:45.43 | da_bon_bon | btw, i use dhcpcd -- is that ok ? |
| 14:45.53 | da_bon_bon | ifdown -a brings down lo , but not eth0 |
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| 14:46.19 | da_bon_bon | i use this line in interfaces -- iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 14:47.02 | Kuun-Lann | dimir: cant see any error msg .. i start amsn in console ..no error msg , no line , no amsn.. and thats all |
| 14:47.08 | fbi | Glanzmann: i can see you've added a section |
| 14:47.14 | remadmin | can anyone tell me how I can verify that exim is running an remote smtp transport filter that I've created when I send external mail ? |
| 14:47.41 | dimir | Da_SWAT: do you want to re-read the settings from dhcp server? |
| 14:47.43 | dimir | da_bon_bon too |
| 14:47.43 | dimir | Kuun-Lann: can you start anything else? |
| 14:47.54 | dimir | Kuun-Lann: can you disable the firewall and test it with user to make sure? |
| 14:47.54 | Kuun-Lann | dimir : yes gaim works fine |
| 14:47.55 | danieldg | Kuun-Lann: test it by running iptables -I OUTPUT ACCEPT: if it works, you have a firewall problem |
| 14:48.00 | fbi | Glanzmann: why do you have wto mouse sections |
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| 14:48.04 | fbi | s/wto/two/ |
| 14:48.14 | da_bon_bon | dimir: ifup / ifdown doesnt recognize eth0 :( |
| 14:48.23 | vanten_ | is it still posible to get midnight commander to look like nautelius(spelling) ? i read it wose removed.. |
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| 14:48.46 | dimir | da_bon_bon: do you want to re-read the settings from dhcp server or what? |
| 14:49.10 | Kuun-Lann | danieldg: do you think its a firewall problem? cuz gaim works fine .. |
| 14:49.11 | da_bon_bon | dimir: dunno.. ifdown -a does not bring down eth0 -- only brings down lo |
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| 14:49.29 | Norbert | okay, that fixed the problem |
| 14:49.34 | dimir | da_bon_bon: you don't know what you want to do? |
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| 14:49.41 | danieldg | Kuun-Lann: it's probably not, if gaim works using the normal port |
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| 14:49.50 | da_bon_bon | dimir: yes i know. i want to disable eth0. |
| 14:49.56 | Kuun-Lann | danieldg: your command line doesnot work :( |
| 14:49.58 | Norbert | everyone who was been trying to help me is talking about apt-get's and modules, but there's nothing like a good self baked kernel |
| 14:49.59 | da_bon_bon | dimir: such that ping www.google.com shouldnt work. |
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| 14:50.08 | da_bon_bon | dimir: i usually do it by dhcpcd-bin -k |
| 14:50.34 | dimir | da_bon_bon: what about 'ifconfig eth0 down'? |
| 14:50.47 | da_bon_bon | dimir: ifdown -a wouldnt work ? |
| 14:51.02 | dimir | should |
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| 14:51.48 | da_bon_bon | dimir: read me ? |
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| 14:52.18 | da_bon_bon | dimir: ifconfing eth0 down brings it down, but up doesnt bring it up. |
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| 14:52.35 | dimir | hehe. |
| 14:52.37 | QUACH-VU | hi, how can set the server, so there is a limitation of files downloading at the same time of a IP ? |
| 14:53.00 | da_bon_bon | dimir: any idea why ? and how do i re-read the setting from dhcp sever ? |
| 14:53.00 | dimir | da_bon_bon: maybe you fscked up the interfaces file. |
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| 14:53.11 | brullo | da_bon_bon: ifdown ethn |
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| 14:53.33 | da_bon_bon | # pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf |
| 14:53.33 | da_bon_bon | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 14:53.41 | da_bon_bon | dimir: thats correct ? |
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| 14:53.46 | Mahdi | hi, anyone knows how to get ssl/tls support on links2? |
| 14:53.59 | brullo | da_bon_bon: /etc/init.d/networking reload |
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| 14:54.06 | da_bon_bon | brullo: ok |
| 14:54.07 | dimir | da_bon_bon: yes. you may want to add 'auto lo eth0' at the top. |
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| 14:54.29 | brullo | da_bon_bon: apt-cache show etherconf |
| 14:54.56 | dimir | da_bon_bon: you can re-configure the eth0 by running 'dhclient eth0' |
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| 14:55.02 | da_bon_bon | ok. |
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| 14:55.06 | QUACH-VU | hi, how can set the server or sshd, so there is a limitation of files downloading at the same time of a IP ? |
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| 14:55.39 | brullo | QUACH-VU: xinetd can control that for you |
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| 14:56.34 | QUACH-VU | brullo is it a package? or whatß can you tell in detail? |
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| 14:56.53 | brullo | QUACH-VU: apt-cache show xinetd |
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| 14:57.03 | da_bon_bon | woo hooo! etherconf is great, thanks, brullo and dimir |
| 14:57.12 | takatumi | laptop toppled down, landed on the wifi card, it's almost severed, still works, if I pull it out, half of it will probably be stuck inside. hmm, any pointers? ;-/ |
| 14:57.20 | da_bon_bon | now... how do i get it to work with ifplugd for automatic network enable and disable ? |
| 14:57.35 | da_bon_bon | takatumi: get a new one ? ;) |
| 14:57.53 | brullo | da_bon_bon: WHAT do you want to do? |
| 14:58.20 | darkness | Should you have the file xinitd if you've got sshd? |
| 14:58.39 | da_bon_bon | brullo: now that ifdown and ifup works, how do i set it that if i remove the power cord, it is automatically "ifdown" and when i insert it, its automaticall "ifup" |
| 14:58.50 | da_bon_bon | someone suggested ifplugd |
| 14:58.50 | asuffield | darkness: these things are not related |
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| 14:59.24 | brullo | da_bon_bon: remove the powercord? I do not understand WHY you want to do that? |
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| 14:59.49 | da_bon_bon | brullo: i do that a lot .. reason : i am not on an un-capped downloads net. |
| 14:59.54 | Ronin | da_bon_bon: dont worry you pull the power cord if will definatly go down |
| 15:00.00 | rTi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:00.14 | da_bon_bon | Ronin: down such that debian will see it as not activated ? |
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| 15:00.35 | Ronin | down as it well hey theres no power to the machine how much more down do you want |
| 15:00.44 | da_bon_bon | oh |
| 15:00.45 | da_bon_bon | sorry |
| 15:00.50 | da_bon_bon | powercord of the adsl router |
| 15:00.51 | danieldg | rTi: update-rc.d |
| 15:01.12 | silvercat | hello.. I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about mixing live video streams to a feed..? |
| 15:01.18 | asuffield | da_bon_bon: leave the damn power cable alone. unplug the *telephone* cable |
| 15:01.20 | brullo | da_bon_bon: are you thinking in terms of wakonlan and magic packets? |
| 15:01.29 | rTi | danieldg: thanks. ill have a try |
| 15:01.34 | QUACH-VU | brullo, i can also limit the files download at the same time which my customer download via web server? |
| 15:01.48 | xzu | ppl, i'm thinking about running 1 virtual server per real machine to make our park a little more flexible/portable, and running, say 3 chrooted daemons in there. What do you recommend? uml/xen/vserver/openvz? |
| 15:01.49 | da_bon_bon | brullo: no. simple : i remove the telephone cord, its auto down, and if i insert it, its auto up |
| 15:02.04 | da_bon_bon | asuffield: ok.. i will remove telefone cord.. how do i set it up then ? |
| 15:02.19 | xzu | any people with an opinion/experience with this setup? |
| 15:02.21 | asuffield | da_bon_bon: if your router is so shit that it doesn't do this already, get a better one |
| 15:02.26 | brullo | QUACH-VU: do some reading on xinetd...it is VERY powerful and can do most nice things you want |
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| 15:02.45 | da_bon_bon | asuffield: what ?! i want DEBIAN to do ifup eth0 when the cord is inserted |
| 15:02.50 | asuffield | why? |
| 15:02.54 | asuffield | waste of time |
| 15:03.01 | asuffield | impossible anyway |
| 15:03.10 | da_bon_bon | so ? i remove cord, and debian still thinks it is connected to net ? |
| 15:03.25 | asuffield | you appear to be deeply confused about the nature of IP networks |
| 15:03.29 | rTi | danieldg: allready did that via rcconf. all links are present. and they look similar to the apache ones which work fine |
| 15:03.30 | da_bon_bon | and i need to manually do ifup on every time i insert the cord. |
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| 15:03.39 | asuffield | there is no magic 'internet' box in the sky that you are either connected to or not connected to |
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| 15:03.52 | da_bon_bon | asuffield: man.. you are not getting me. |
| 15:04.01 | asuffield | that's because you're talking nonsense |
| 15:04.13 | da_bon_bon | i first do ifdown -- and then remove the cord .. so debian knows i am not on net |
| 15:04.26 | asuffield | a host doesn't "think it's connected to the internet" |
| 15:04.29 | da_bon_bon | and i insert the cord -- and do ifup -- so debian knows i am on net |
| 15:04.34 | silvercat | is there an utility to make a video stream of the current desktop? |
| 15:04.37 | da_bon_bon | asuffield: :S |
| 15:04.48 | brullo | silvercat: camtasia |
| 15:04.49 | xzu | da_bon_bon: ifplugd |
| 15:05.00 | Lamex | We have an image here made from debian, we try to update php to php5 with cacti stay installed, however at the comp where we create the image it wants to install php4 and at the comp where the image is installed it shows to update php5, can someone tell me how this is possible and what could have caused this? |
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| 15:05.04 | da_bon_bon | xzu: i have that.. i dont know how to configure it. |
| 15:05.05 | asuffield | da_bon_bon: so stop doing that |
| 15:05.16 | xzu | da_bon_bon: oh ok :) |
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| 15:06.05 | silvercat | brullo: thats for windows? |
| 15:06.17 | xzu | da_bon_bon: read the man page, and play around with /etc/ifplugd/ifplugd.action |
| 15:06.22 | row2 | does apache-perl have perl support for config files? |
| 15:06.38 | asuffield | row2: what is that supposed to mean? |
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| 15:06.46 | da_bon_bon | i did a little something that might workl.. brb |
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| 15:07.17 | yam | how can I enable /dev/ttyS0 for console? |
| 15:07.18 | row2 | asuffield: I wantto check if folders are created if not make them etc for logs and vhosts etc and chmod/own to correct values. |
| 15:07.22 | guevolt | how i create a smlink fo access of ftp users? |
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| 15:07.50 | asuffield | row2: doesn't sound like anything related to apache-perl |
| 15:07.52 | nkuttler | guevolt: a symlink? with ln? |
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| 15:08.05 | asuffield | yam: server or client? |
| 15:08.07 | rsynk | i did a bios upgrade an now the hdd is recognized has Large instead of LBA should i repartition the drive ? wich is better LBA or large ? |
| 15:08.18 | yam | server |
| 15:08.24 | yam | asuffield: server |
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| 15:08.26 | asuffield | yam: /etc/inittab, should be an example in there |
| 15:08.52 | guevolt | asuffield: yep. i tried ln -s /patch/folder folder-symlink . But the users os ftp can't access this symlink. |
| 15:09.07 | asuffield | guevolt: you missed |
| 15:09.23 | jaybuffet | could someone help me figure out if my openvpn server is accepting connections outside my cable modem ? |
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| 15:09.55 | asuffield | jaybuffet: only if you're running it in tcp mode |
| 15:09.55 | nkuttler | guevolt: what does the log say? |
| 15:10.01 | xzu | guevolt: i'd mount |
| 15:10.01 | jaybuffet | asuffield: i am |
| 15:10.03 | guevolt | asuffield: missed ? |
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| 15:10.17 | asuffield | jaybuffet: then it isn't |
| 15:10.19 | guevolt | xzu: mount a folder? |
| 15:10.24 | xyzz1 | how do I build a debian package (glibc) with no-optimisation? 'DEB_CFLAGS="-O3" debian/rules binary' used -O3 |
| 15:10.26 | xzu | yuh |
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| 15:10.44 | jaybuffet | asufield: check PM |
| 15:10.55 | xzu | mount --bind olddir newdir |
| 15:10.59 | xzu | oh.. |
| 15:11.01 | xzu | guevolt: mount --bind olddir newdir |
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| 15:11.15 | abrotman | !phillysmite nvz |
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| 15:11.50 | rsynk | i did a bios upgrade an now the hdd is recognized has Large instead of LBA should i repartition the drive ? wich is better LBA or large ? |
| 15:11.50 | guevolt | xzu: let me see |
| 15:12.39 | xzu | guevolt: just see "man 8 mount" |
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| 15:13.50 | guevolt | xzu: worked. but don't have other way to do this ? |
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| 15:14.07 | xzu | guevolt: dude it's linux, there are tons of ways to do it ;) |
| 15:14.10 | talisein_ | rsynk so you're in the BIOS config and it reports it as Large when it used to say LBA? |
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| 15:14.29 | xzu | guevolt: thisis just how I do it, and it's nice because it's ftpd independend |
| 15:14.33 | yam | asuffield: ok... did that... uncommented line.. seems getty is listening on ttyS0... but client aint conecting.. weird |
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| 15:15.15 | row2 | how do I change a servers default/global timezome to UTC? |
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| 15:15.28 | xyzz1 | "apt-build build-source glibc" gives "Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/apt-build line 299." which might be $srcpkg |
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| 15:15.32 | bsims | anyone having problems with apt-listbugs |
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| 15:15.38 | FlimFlamMan | hi, is there any way i can grep my gnome-terminal scrollback? |
| 15:15.49 | guevolt | xzu: i preffer a symlink but i don't know how to do it. |
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| 15:15.52 | brullo | row2: ntpdate? |
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| 15:16.19 | row2 | brullo: need to change format not update the current time, its BST want UTC :) |
| 15:16.20 | xzu | guevolt: well, check the config of your ftp daemon, i think some will not let users follow/see symlinks |
| 15:16.30 | xzu | guevolt: mounting is more transparent tho... |
| 15:16.32 | brullo | row2: tzconfig? |
| 15:17.02 | brullo | row2: tzselect sorry |
| 15:17.29 | guevolt | xzu: i was check it. the option 'see symlinks' is on. |
| 15:17.32 | row2 | brullo: what option is UTC tho, I could not find it here yesterday |
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| 15:17.37 | remadmin | can anyone tell me how i can get "mail" to run exim in debug level 10? i've commented out the inetd.conf entry, bounce inetd, and am running exim -bd -d10 but it appears the 'mail' command runs another copy of exim locally? |
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| 15:18.00 | bsims | row2: does it have zulu time <g> |
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| 15:18.02 | brullo | row2: UTC +/- x ? |
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| 15:18.22 | row2 | brullo tried that under number 11 and when I rebooted it changed back to BST |
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| 15:18.36 | row2 | brullo: mean I tried UTC+0 |
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| 15:18.59 | brullo | row2: how is your "BIOS clock" configured? |
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| 15:19.06 | rsynk | i did a bios upgrade an now the hdd is recognized has Large instead of LBA should i repartition the drive ? wich is better LBA or large ? |
| 15:19.09 | row2 | brullo: it worked for some apps but thought I had missed reloading something so rebooted then it all reset to BST, UTC brullo |
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| 15:19.37 | hrishi | is the sid still in non-US? |
| 15:19.42 | brullo | row2: unstable/2.6? |
| 15:19.49 | row2 | brullo: correct. |
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| 15:20.18 | hrishi | I have not been able to apt-get update the non-US stuff on my sid machine for about a month now. Is sid/unstable still have a non-US? |
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| 15:20.36 | brullo | hrishi: apt-setup |
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| 15:20.39 | abrotman | hrishi: read the topic |
| 15:20.42 | row2 | hrishi: no testing/unstable do not have it anymore |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | there is not more non-us |
| 15:20.51 | cahoot | row2: look in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 15:20.58 | guevolt | xzu: thanks for all |
| 15:21.08 | row2 | cahoot: what option? |
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| 15:21.22 | row2 | UTC=yes is already set |
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| 15:21.23 | cahoot | row2: look in /etc/default/rcS - and see |
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| 15:21.30 | cahoot | oh |
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| 15:21.53 | bsims | abrotman: Grr apt-listbugs has decided not to download bug-reports I think its a ruby problem but lets see if the DD fixes it <g> |
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| 15:22.08 | abrotman | bsims: or the intarweb is broken .. |
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| 15:22.16 | row2 | cahoot: debian is displaying the correct time but BST I want UTC time zone as its a server. |
| 15:22.29 | bsims | abrotman: nah I can browse the site but... |
| 15:22.33 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 15:22.57 | bsims | Gargling on the error pulls up some ruby pages |
| 15:22.58 | cahoot | row2: what does /etc/localtime point to? |
| 15:23.02 | mohkohn | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 15:23.09 | mohkohn | What would cause this? |
| 15:23.20 | hrishi | row2: so all the non-US stuff has been moved into us/ in sid? |
| 15:23.23 | abrotman | your sound is broken |
| 15:23.27 | abrotman | ask #alsa |
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| 15:23.34 | row2 | cahoot: /Europe/London. |
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| 15:23.54 | bsims | hrishi: its just main now |
| 15:23.58 | mohkohn | really? I am sitting here listening to the old simon and garfunkel... |
| 15:24.02 | mohkohn | sound of silence |
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| 15:24.09 | abrotman | then what's wrong with your sound .. who cares? |
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| 15:24.41 | mohkohn | thanks abrotman I'll try #alsa |
| 15:24.41 | row2 | cahoot: if I change locatime to point to UTC will the system keep that setting? |
| 15:25.07 | hrishi | bsims: thanks. so does that mean just one apt line is sufficient (http://us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib)? |
| 15:25.14 | cahoot | row2: seems plausible |
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| 15:25.20 | bsims | yeah looks good to me |
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| 15:25.37 | row2 | cahoot: even during certian upgrades related to time changes? |
| 15:25.50 | bsims | hrishi: mine reads deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 15:26.25 | cahoot | row2: that's a very open question |
| 15:26.34 | hrishi | bsims: thanks |
| 15:26.57 | cahoot | row2: i e - I don't know what to answer |
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| 15:27.10 | row2 | cahoot: no worries :P |
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| 15:27.47 | row2 | oh dear this server is taking a while to reboot |
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| 15:30.44 | row2 | cahoot: that seems to of worked |
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| 15:31.33 | Ungy | I forced an install yesterday to get skype working on my machine. how can I apt-get upgrade without getting that damned unmet depndencies message for my skype package everytime? |
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| 15:32.15 | cahoot | row2: FYI I've not encountered any change of time settings without my wish with any updates |
| 15:32.37 | row2 | cahoot: nice to know :) |
| 15:32.44 | stew | Ungy: sounds like you want /msg dpkg hold ; but i'm not sure unless you tell me more accurately what's happening |
| 15:33.09 | micka | a index in man page ? when say SEE ALSO ? |
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| 15:33.22 | micka | how go to the next man |
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| 15:34.00 | abrotman | or equivs |
| 15:34.20 | pathineken | prova |
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| 15:34.32 | stew | !it |
| 15:34.32 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 15:34.32 | cahoot | micka: (in konqueror - just click on it) |
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| 15:35.10 | stew | Ungy: oh the skype package you have installed has unmet dependencies? then you get rid of the message by installing the dependencies |
| 15:35.21 | Ungy | stew I am on sid and I upgraded and Qt version changed this causes the skype package to be removed originally but it works fine with the new Qt version so I just dpkg -1 --force-depends on the skype package and now when I apt-get upgrade I get "skype: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2) but it is not installable" |
| 15:35.22 | cahoot | micka: new term I suppose |
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| 15:35.45 | Ungy | stew downgrading qt isn't really an option |
| 15:36.01 | stew | Ungy: then you have to rebuild the skype package to use the newer dependency |
| 15:36.06 | omry|work | hi, after a reboot, I get no sound. alsaconf says "modinfo: could not find module snd" when starting, and than try to probe ISA cards. |
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| 15:36.15 | Ungy | stew it is a closed source application |
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| 15:36.21 | stew | Ungy: you use close source software and dpkg --force options at your own peril |
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| 15:37.21 | Ungy | stew should I remove the deb version and use the binary then? |
| 15:37.37 | stew | dunno |
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| 15:38.01 | Ungy | stew I just want to be able to apt-get upgrade and I can't as long as that package keeps being checked for unmet dependencies |
| 15:38.12 | darkness | WoW thats okay. I thought for a min if i log into a remote shell account then into another shell my trial would be left in .bash_history. |
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| 15:38.54 | abrotman | Ungy: try gizmo |
| 15:39.57 | abrotman | hrm .. what was it called |
| 15:40.01 | Ungy | abrotman gizmo as in the maugwai(sp)?? |
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| 15:41.04 | abrotman | http://www.gizmoproject.com/ |
| 15:41.06 | abrotman | !gizmo |
| 15:41.19 | abrotman | !gizmo is http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .. A VoIP project |
| 15:41.19 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 15:42.04 | Ungy | abrotman, oh heh everyone at my office and the two satelite offices use skype so I have to use skype |
| 15:42.14 | stew | Ungy: if you really think the application runs run with the newer qt you can change the depends in the .deb |
| 15:42.16 | abrotman | no you don't .. |
| 15:42.33 | abrotman | get them to switch |
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| 15:42.47 | Ungy | stew good point |
| 15:42.52 | bnoji | If I can fit multiple backups on a single tape, is it worth trying to write from the end of the last backup or always use one per backup |
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| 15:43.23 | Ungy | abrotman I am the only Linux user n the company |
| 15:43.28 | abrotman | so? |
| 15:43.32 | abrotman | Gizmo is free too |
| 15:43.36 | abrotman | i dn't see a problem :) |
| 15:43.50 | abrotman | free ... vs .. free ... |
| 15:44.04 | abrotman | this is like jesus vs santa claus all over again |
| 15:44.08 | villy_ | tell me please - what is " equivalent in HTML? e. g. (C) - © |
| 15:44.13 | abrotman | villy_: #web |
| 15:45.04 | stew | villy_: " |
| 15:45.14 | villy_ | stew, tnx |
| 15:45.15 | Ungy | abrotman they still use windows and they have to pay for it so I don;t think that is the point ;-) |
| 15:45.17 | asuffield | abrotman: damn that jesus |
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| 15:46.57 | darkness | What i don't get is we are expected to have faith and belief in jesus existance.How come in the 21st century we entertain such a thing without any proof? |
| 15:47.24 | Ungy | ahh screw it I will let it remove it and reinstall it everytime I upgrade |
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| 15:47.40 | stew | darkness: hmm god point. well i guess i'm done believing in him. thanks |
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| 15:48.03 | resiak | darkness: #unoriginal-religious-debates is that way ------> |
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| 15:48.24 | Ungy | darkness look up the meaning of faith |
| 15:48.34 | abrotman | Ungy: switch them! |
| 15:48.48 | stew | Ungy: fix the control file! |
| 15:49.01 | Ungy | abrotman, I wouldn't last to long |
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| 15:49.13 | abrotman | Ungy: take a gun . get them first! |
| 15:49.25 | asuffield | darkness: I believe that in the 21st century, you're expected to have faith in mohammed, not jesus |
| 15:49.36 | samuel | darkness, perhaps you should read some Descartes? his meditations might be interesting to you |
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| 15:49.42 | darkness | Okay, i get you. But faith in god is a weakness imo. Thats all i'm going to say tks. |
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| 15:50.10 | mwalol | where can i get sources.list updated |
| 15:50.18 | resiak | !tks |
| 15:50.18 | dpkg | ur wlcme, resiak |
| 15:50.19 | takatumi | or Aurobindo |
| 15:50.22 | resiak | mwalol: apt-setup |
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| 15:50.31 | samuel | darkness, Rene Descartes, french philosopher - you may like |
| 15:50.31 | Ungy | abrotman, I am pretty good at Quake they might be in trouble I just need a rail gun |
| 15:50.39 | amphi | Ungy: "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." ;) |
| 15:50.41 | abrotman | Ungy: that's all huh ? |
| 15:51.20 | darkness | Samual: Think i will read some. Btw all i said is original to me.I'm a postman so have little time to debate these sort of things. |
| 15:51.25 | mwalol | thanks resiak |
| 15:51.31 | Ungy | darkness seriously i am an aetheist but I know enough not to argue when it comes to someones "faith" |
| 15:52.01 | Anders | !oyg |
| 15:52.02 | dpkg | oyg is, like, oh your god, an abbrevation popular among atheists |
| 15:52.04 | Ungy | abrotman, yeah a railgun isn't o much to ask |
| 15:52.13 | samuel | im gonna take a guess here... how many catholics in this room? |
| 15:52.14 | abrotman | too |
| 15:52.19 | abrotman | samuel: two |
| 15:52.20 | samuel | 0 |
| 15:52.23 | samuel | lol |
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| 15:52.36 | villy_ | are there russian guys? |
| 15:52.39 | petemc | oh great, a conversation about religion... |
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| 15:52.47 | darkness | Mind you i beieve in ghosts.Thats becasue i have tangible evidence of there existance :-) |
| 15:52.54 | mwalol | 2.6.8-2-386 is stable? cause i was planted 2 time today konqueror was responsable |
| 15:53.00 | amphi | darkness: you have a lump of ghost? |
| 15:53.02 | abrotman | darkness: tangible == touch |
| 15:53.14 | d0uglas | when doing an apt update/upgrade, on upgrade it upgrades some but holds back sixty packages.. http://pastebin.com/385071 .. I'd appreciate it if someone would give me a clue. |
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| 15:53.18 | darkness | tangible == seen |
| 15:53.20 | abrotman | no |
| 15:53.24 | amphi | darkness: er, no |
| 15:53.25 | abrotman | !dict tangible |
| 15:53.26 | resiak | !dict tangible |
| 15:53.27 | dpkg | Dictionary 'tangible' (2): Tangible \Tan"gi*ble\, a. [L. tangibilis, fr. tangere to touch: cf. F. tangible. See Tangent.] 1. Perceptible to the touch; tactile; palpable. --Bacon. ;; 2. Capable of being possessed or realized; readily apprehensible by the mind; real; substantial; evident. ``A tangible blunder.'' --Byron.. |
| 15:53.30 | abrotman | WOOHOO |
| 15:53.31 | abrotman | loser |
| 15:53.32 | amphi | darkness: install dict ;) |
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| 15:53.38 | Mars__^ | hi |
| 15:53.38 | petemc | d0uglas: try dist-upgrade |
| 15:53.49 | darkness | Isn't real part of tangible? |
| 15:53.57 | samuel | abrotman, id actually think most ppl here are atheist or agnostic - me: agnostic |
| 15:53.58 | abrotman | oh ffs .. give up .. you lost |
| 15:54.01 | d0uglas | peterS: sounds scary ... never changed sources list |
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| 15:54.07 | d0uglas | petemc: rather |
| 15:54.11 | petemc | d0uglas: apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 15:54.33 | d0uglas | ok, thanks, here goes nothing |
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| 15:54.40 | resiak | Vixenos: #debian-russian |
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| 15:55.15 | stew | d0uglas: /msg dpkg held back ; read the apt-get manapage about dist-upgrade. it doesn't necesarrily mean you are moving from one dist to another |
| 15:55.36 | Mars__^ | I have a problem cause i wanrt to run game, but it shows info that i dont have right sound drivers. I dont know how to get these drivers. Cause my sound card in on a mainboard produced by gigabyte. Help me if you can and dont show me google. i am using kubuntu 5.4 |
| 15:55.47 | resiak | !kubuntu |
| 15:55.47 | dpkg | from memory, kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu |
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| 15:56.07 | resiak | Mars__^: ^^^ you should go there. |
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| 15:56.50 | d0uglas | petemc: appears to be working, thanks a lot |
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| 16:01.33 | amphi | mwalol: try dkg-reconfigure console-data perhaps |
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| 16:01.43 | amphi | mwalol: er, dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 16:02.25 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 16:02.25 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
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| 16:04.52 | bibe | what a pity... nessus 3 won't be under GPL |
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| 16:07.14 | bouba | hi baby face!! |
| 16:07.20 | Fare | hi. How do I create a valid xorg.conf for my machine? |
| 16:07.42 | RichiH | !tell fare about set up x |
| 16:07.49 | asuffield | bibe: I can't recall ever finding a practical use for nessus, so this doesn't seem to be a big deal |
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| 16:08.43 | Fare | richih: thabks |
| 16:08.48 | RichiH | np |
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| 16:09.13 | bibe | asuffield : sure? I tweaked some apache2 settings after analyzing a default sarge box with nessus |
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| 16:09.32 | gronvall | ciao! Have problems with my soundblaster ct4810 in sarge...Does not find it... any hints? |
| 16:10.54 | bibe | asuffield : and I'm always a bit disappointed when a free software project closes its sources |
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| 16:12.11 | blaamann | What do you guys think about autopackage ? To test it I installed abiword 2.4 right now using their autopackage (even though I am not an abiword fan). |
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| 16:12.43 | bibe | gronvall : did you try 'modprobe snd-card-ens1371; modprobe snd-pcm-oss'? |
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| 16:13.21 | gronvall | bibe: yes, BUT... they do NOT exists..... Upgraded from Woody yesterday, and..... |
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| 16:13.58 | gronvall | bibe: problems with the kernal or? |
| 16:14.09 | VoS | hey |
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| 16:14.28 | asuffield | gronvall: install a 2.6 kernel. you've almost certainly got a 2.4 one |
| 16:14.42 | VoS | I just installed debian on a pc. ive read in a few places i can get a gui on it... so question how i do that and whats best one? |
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| 16:15.06 | gronvall | asuffield>mmm...was thinking about that, but on debian.org thay advised me not to..... |
| 16:15.26 | VoS | advised not to get gui? |
| 16:15.30 | gronvall | assuffield> in the upgrading notes.... |
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| 16:15.51 | asuffield | uhh, that probably said "don't run a 2.6 kernel while upgrading" |
| 16:15.55 | asuffield | and yeah, that will break shit |
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| 16:15.59 | thingfish | VoS: doing base-config will allow you to select Desktop Environment; that will get you both gnome and kde. |
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| 16:16.17 | asuffield | anyway, I don't think 2.4 kernels supported that sound device |
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| 16:16.43 | VoS | <thingfish> all im seeing now is a comand prompt.. i have no clue what to do |
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| 16:17.10 | thingfish | VoS: are you root? |
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| 16:17.20 | VoS | yes |
| 16:17.29 | thingfish | type base-config |
| 16:17.31 | jethro | VoS: apt-get install tasksel, then run tasksel and pick the desktop thing |
| 16:17.32 | VoS | its sitting beside me on the floor .. i have admin and all |
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| 16:17.59 | gronvall | asuffield> shecked the docs, it said not to upgrade at the same time...hmm..oki...I guess an kernel ugrade is on the schedule for tonight.... |
| 16:18.11 | thingfish | VoS: you installed sarge? |
| 16:18.17 | VoS | so theres already a desktop theme on the machoine? |
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| 16:18.44 | thingfish | we don't know, VoS, you haven't really given much information. |
| 16:18.56 | CodeWarrior_ | hello folks |
| 16:19.08 | VoS | i used netinstall from linux.se and just ran that and configured it |
| 16:19.09 | gronvall | asuffield: Any hints about kernel update, tricky steps etc..... |
| 16:19.20 | asuffield | gronvall: you're going to need a chicken |
| 16:19.24 | CodeWarrior_ | how can I set as the standard for all files and directories that will be created to be created with 775 permission ? |
| 16:19.27 | VoS | so theres just os nothing else on |
| 16:19.31 | gronvall | asuffield: ~lol~ |
| 16:19.52 | solaris00 | Hi, somebody can help me to configure a HP LaserJet 1150 printer on debian sarge 3.1? |
| 16:19.53 | solaris00 | I am using lpd and the printcap file has: lp|lase:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :rp=text:\ :lf=/var/log//lp-errors:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: |
| 16:19.57 | solaris00 | but when I use lpr /etc/hosts it prints with the efect stairs |
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| 16:20.45 | solaris00 | I don't know how to fix it |
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| 16:20.47 | gronvall | Loging off for a kernal update.... Later...... |
| 16:21.06 | Gwildor | hello, does anyone know of a way to easily remove everything that got installed when i installed xfce4? |
| 16:22.05 | azeem | Gwildor: you could perhaps wade through /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 16:22.22 | azeem | or just remove everything that mentions XFCE in the description |
| 16:22.30 | Gwildor | azeem, TY |
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| 16:23.36 | solaris00 | Can somebody help me? |
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| 16:24.29 | CodeWarrior_ | any tip ? |
| 16:24.49 | azeem | solaris00: why do you not use CUPS? |
| 16:25.04 | azeem | CodeWarrior_: read up on umask |
| 16:25.24 | CodeWarrior_ | azeem: thanks ! |
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| 16:26.05 | solaris00 | Because I tried with it but I coludn't and I think is esier with lpd |
| 16:26.15 | Gwildor | where do i edit xdm's default wm/de? |
| 16:26.23 | Gwildor | plz |
| 16:26.45 | azeem | Gwildor: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 16:26.54 | Gwildor | ty |
| 16:27.01 | azeem | solaris00: well, ok, but few people use lpd these days, so you might have to be patient for help |
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| 16:27.21 | Gwildor | azeem, command not found |
| 16:27.31 | azeem | Gwildor: as super user |
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| 16:27.38 | azeem | root |
| 16:27.40 | solaris00 | azeem: Can you tell me the right way to configure CUPS? |
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| 16:28.00 | azeem | solaris00: I am not that versed in CUPS and busy at work now, sorry |
| 16:28.03 | Gwildor | ya.....got it now....ty, and sorry |
| 16:28.09 | azeem | solaris00: it mostly worked out-of-the-box for me |
| 16:28.13 | hehelol | Isn't there that web interface for cups? |
| 16:28.18 | azeem | hehelol: yes, there is |
| 16:28.27 | azeem | localhost:631 |
| 16:28.32 | hehelol | Although I have never set up printing with cups :) |
| 16:28.38 | hehelol | lpd I have though :o |
| 16:28.47 | azeem | hehelol: so help solaris00 :P |
| 16:28.51 | hehelol | I just arrived |
| 16:28.53 | hehelol | :p |
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| 16:29.09 | solaris00 | I tried but it fails.. I configured it but the printer didn't print anything |
| 16:29.20 | gtlarue | would an apt pin of priority 1001 have higher priority than 501? |
| 16:29.40 | hehelol | Can you cat things to your printer |
| 16:29.43 | hehelol | so it prints them |
| 16:29.46 | solaris00 | thank you azeem |
| 16:29.48 | gtlarue | I need to know if high priority pinning in apt preferences has a positive or negative correlation to the number |
| 16:30.01 | hehelol | cat "hehe" > /dev/usb/lp0 |
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| 16:30.13 | solaris00 | hehelo: well not. |
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| 16:30.19 | hackeron | I have a strange problem. Yesterday, my mailserver slew down to a crawl, top wasnt showing anything useful appart from 100% USER CPU utilization, but not the process. I started killing things 1 by one, and the machine restored to normal the second I killed ntp-server -- Not knowing what could be wrong, I installed ntop as another debugging tool to monitor network utilization. 5 minutes ago I got the same scenario of the machine ... |
| 16:30.25 | hackeron | ... slowing down to a crawl, but this time killing ntop restored it to normal. Any ideas at all what I can do to debug this? |
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| 16:30.34 | hehelol | I usually check that my printer is "working" |
| 16:30.43 | hehelol | ie the device is working |
| 16:30.52 | solaris00 | hehelo: If I put echo "hola" > /dev/lp0 |
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| 16:31.03 | solaris00 | hehelo: the printer doesn't print anything |
| 16:31.24 | solaris00 | hehelo: but after that if I put lpr /etc/hosts |
| 16:31.50 | hehelol | does it print it out correctly |
| 16:31.59 | solaris00 | hehelo: the printer prints hola y then the hosts file but with the efect stairs |
| 16:32.32 | hehelol | so the printer is in effect working :o |
| 16:32.33 | solaris00 | hehelo: and then i have to restart the printer in order to can pronter again.. |
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| 16:32.48 | solaris00 | hehelo:I think so. |
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| 16:33.16 | hehelol | might be something up with your printer que then |
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| 16:33.33 | hehelol | check /var/spool/lpd/ |
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| 16:35.56 | solaris00 | hehelo: I have checked it but it doesn't say anything |
| 16:36.12 | solaris00 | hehelo: I am using lpd and the printcap file has: lp|lase:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :rp=text:\ :lf=/var/log//lp-errors:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: |
| 16:36.12 | hehelol | is there anything in that dir? |
| 16:36.36 | hehelol | there is a status |
| 16:36.37 | hehelol | file |
| 16:36.59 | hehelol | are you using a filter? |
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| 16:37.37 | solaris00 | hehelo: yes, there is a status file but I am not using filter |
| 16:38.07 | solaris00 | hehelo: /var/spool/lpd/lp/status |
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| 16:38.45 | hehelol | If I remembered you need the filter to get things to work, but I may be wrong |
| 16:39.03 | hehelol | i used apsfilter |
| 16:40.04 | solaris00 | hehelo: Somebody had told me that I don't need filters with HP laser printer, but I don't know Could you tell me how to do that? |
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| 16:40.19 | hehelol | apt-get install apsfilter |
| 16:40.42 | hehelol | you go through a configuration procedure where you set up the printer |
| 16:40.43 | solaris00 | I did, I used apsfilter but it doesn't work |
| 16:41.07 | hehelol | hmmm |
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| 16:41.26 | solaris00 | hehelo: I don't know if I did something wrong. |
| 16:41.33 | hehelol | everything seems ok |
| 16:41.40 | solaris00 | but I don't see what was |
| 16:41.42 | hehelol | but it doesn't come together :s |
| 16:41.47 | hehelol | might be printer driver? |
| 16:42.13 | hehelol | In apsfilter I remember specifiying my printer |
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| 16:42.44 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
| 16:43.02 | hehelol | ok dude, i have to go to a meeting brb |
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| 16:44.57 | solaris00 | well thank you hehelo |
| 16:45.19 | darkness | Silly question, but are the people who are involved in managing sid and getting it from unstable/testing/stable a paid group? |
| 16:45.20 | tax0n | hi all: what's the best way to build a custom system on debian with only the apps and data I want? Something that makes for very quick backup and recovery. |
| 16:46.40 | cddesjar | does anyone know where the openoffice.org2.0 icons are located if i installed the .tar.gz file from their webiste, converted it to alien, and then used dpkg to instal it? |
| 16:46.50 | H2OyJaBoN | i installed my sarge 3.1(netinstall) must i apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade before continuo installing pack's....? |
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| 16:47.07 | solaris00 | hehelo: In the part where you have to choice the driver with aspfilter i couldn't see the one to my printer hp lj 1150 |
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| 16:48.21 | solaris00 | hehelo: I choose postscript printer but it didn't work |
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| 16:49.22 | Trebaum | YAY I did it!! I compiled my perl download!! |
| 16:49.39 | zinx | ... why would you compile perl? |
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| 16:50.46 | victor2005 | hi |
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| 16:51.35 | Trebaum | or maybe I just don't know what i'm talking about... That is a serious possibility |
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| 16:54.23 | toad_ | how do i get subversion 1.2 without upgrading my whole distro to sid? |
| 16:55.19 | _SerhaT_ | !backports |
| 16:55.19 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 16:56.02 | Gwildor | anyone can help me with mounting issues? |
| 16:56.04 | toad_ | backports.org is trustworthy? apt-get.org always looked a bit suspicious... nothing to prevent people uploading trojans |
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| 16:56.08 | PQ47 | Hi |
| 16:56.19 | PQ47 | Gwildor: Ask your question |
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| 16:56.48 | toad_ | if i download from backports, how do i keep it up to date? if i just wanted to install it, i'd install it from source |
| 16:56.50 | Gwildor | PQ47, i jsut cant mount hda1, i tried mount /dev/hda1, and i get the stuff about nt found in fstab and such |
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| 16:57.10 | H2OyJaBoN | i installed sarge 3.1(netinstall) must i apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade before continue installing pack's....? |
| 16:57.10 | pego | hi |
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| 16:57.14 | PQ47 | Gwildor: Hm, you should definitely read the man page ;-) |
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| 16:57.21 | dDAsS | Hello i just installed mod_security and added the line SecChrootDir /www in my httpd.conf when i restart apache i get this error: Thu Oct 6 16:54:59 2005] [error] (2)No such file or directory: could not open mime types config file /etc/mime.types. - How to fix this? |
| 16:57.40 | PQ47 | Gwildor: Try "mkdir -p /mnt/hda1 && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1" |
| 16:58.00 | Gwildor | PQ47, -p ....i did try -t |
| 16:58.01 | toad_ | oooooh |
| 16:58.08 | reinaldo | dDAsS, mkdir /www/etc ; cp /etc/mime.types /www/etc :) |
| 16:58.09 | pego | i just seen tha ti have xfree installed on my server, since long i think, and wheni apt-get remove it want to remove many thing that don't depend on him ... what can i doo for clean well ? |
| 16:58.11 | toad_ | backports has a separate dist for each package |
| 16:58.16 | PQ47 | Gwildor: No, the -p is for the mkdir command |
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| 16:58.30 | Gwildor | PQ47, oh..duh..sorry |
| 16:58.34 | toad_ | ... and they are more out of date than the sarge version! |
| 16:58.34 | PQ47 | dDAsS: You have an etc-dir in /www ? |
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| 16:58.44 | PQ47 | Gwildor: np ;-) |
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| 16:58.57 | dDAsS | PQ47: no i have but the guide i fallowed sayd that i didnt needed to create any extra files. |
| 16:59.02 | Gwildor | PQ47, is that dir persistant........or will i have to mek again? also, i am sorry, i am used to that dir already being there |
| 16:59.08 | dDAsS | PQ47: new error: [Thu Oct 6 16:58:26 2005] [error] (2)No such file or directory: mod_mime_magic: can't read magic file /usr/share/misc/file/magic.mime should i just go on with cping files? |
| 16:59.12 | phrosty | hello, i updated my kernel from 386 to amd64, is there something i need to do in order to get apt to install amd64 binaries by default? |
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| 16:59.59 | stew | !find usr/share/misc/file/magic.mime |
| 17:00.01 | PQ47 | dDAsS: You should read some stuff about chroot. It needs a completely new environment |
| 17:00.12 | stew | oh this is a chroot? |
| 17:00.18 | PQ47 | dDAsS: For the moment you can keep on cping |
| 17:00.22 | dDAsS | PQ47: ye iknow but this guide just told me that i didnt need to do this. |
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| 17:00.25 | PQ47 | stew: Yes, Apache-chroot |
| 17:00.31 | dDAsS | PQ47: but ill just make a new environment with debootstrap |
| 17:00.33 | PQ47 | Gwildor: Sry. Yes, its persistent |
| 17:00.34 | dDAsS | PQ47: :) |
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| 17:01.01 | okito | hi |
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| 17:01.05 | PQ47 | dDAsS: Mhh, to be honest, I have no idea about debootstrap, never installed debian ;-) |
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| 17:01.36 | dDAsS | PQ47: fx debootstrap sid /sid-chroot http://ftp.cx.debian.org/debian. |
| 17:01.38 | dDAsS | :) |
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| 17:02.00 | PQ47 | dDAsS: Looks ok to me ;-) |
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| 17:02.01 | pego | no idea ? |
| 17:02.11 | Gwildor | PQ47, thank you for your time |
| 17:02.35 | PQ47 | Gwildor: np, dont hesitate to bother me again :-) |
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| 17:03.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/share/misc/file/magic.mime' (1): (/usr/share/misc/file/{magic.mime|magic.mime.mgc}) in libs/libmagic1. |
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| 17:06.18 | Cope | How might I go about getting 'playthrough' to work with my soundcard? I'm recording using /dev/dsp into audacity, but can't hear what I record; audacity says this may be possible using the os mixer. I assume I'm using oss by default - can this be so configured? or should I swap for alsa and use alsamixer? |
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| 17:07.14 | abrotman | Cope: with OSS .. usually can't be done .. i ended up moving to alsa to do just that |
| 17:07.30 | abrotman | (hard to record two tracks when you can't hear the first) :) |
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| 17:08.00 | PQ47 | Does anyone has an idea how to get X11 configured on a 14'' iBook G4? It works, but with 60Hz :-/ |
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| 17:08.43 | Cope | abrotman: yeah exactly; right, I'll bin oss and move to alsa, and see how that goes. |
| 17:08.57 | okito | what do i have to in sudoers so any user could reboot? |
| 17:08.59 | PQ47 | Cope: Good idea ;-) |
| 17:09.11 | Gwildor | PQ47, dpkg reconfigure and set the refresh rate? |
| 17:09.20 | abrotman | Cope: worked much better for me anyways |
| 17:09.31 | solaris00 | hehelo ? |
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| 17:09.33 | PQ47 | Gwildor: k, i'll try that |
| 17:09.38 | jtal | hehelo solaris00 |
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| 17:10.18 | PQ47 | okito: echo "%users ALL=/bin/init 6" |
| 17:10.21 | solaris00 | jtal: are you hehelo? |
| 17:11.17 | PQ47 | okito: Umm... /sbin/init |
| 17:11.25 | jtal | no, sorry |
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| 17:11.46 | toad_ | can i tell apt to use the sid version of subversion, and satisfy any dependancies it needs to do that from sid, and otherwise use sarge? |
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| 17:11.51 | PQ47 | Gwildor: I just found out, that TFTs only run with 60Hz :D |
| 17:12.00 | Revenger | strange. |
| 17:12.03 | PQ47 | So it's ok as it is |
| 17:12.08 | Revenger | why does mine run with 75 then ? |
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| 17:12.14 | Gwildor | PQ47, *shrug* idk, i tried |
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| 17:12.27 | PQ47 | idk? |
| 17:12.42 | toad_ | none of the apt-get.org packages look usable, and i'd prefer not to have to maintain it myself |
| 17:13.04 | cheal | toad_: yes |
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| 17:13.35 | toad_ | cheal: how? and will it end up upgrading libc etc? |
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| 17:14.15 | stew | toad_: sarge and sid dont mix well. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:14.25 | toad_ | stew: that means maintaining it myself |
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| 17:14.32 | okito | PQ47, i still get that error: User must be root.. |
| 17:14.42 | rosa | hola |
| 17:14.54 | toad_ | stew: or trusting a backport which hasn't been updated since 1.2.0 and probably never will be updated again |
| 17:14.59 | stew | toad_: it means recompiling subversion for your sarge envirionment |
| 17:15.03 | PQ47 | okito: What did you do? |
| 17:15.09 | cheal | !tell toad_ about ssm |
| 17:15.19 | toad_ | stew: indeed... every time a new version comes out... right? |
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| 17:15.24 | stew | toad_: right |
| 17:15.30 | toad_ | i.e. it means debian does nothing for me and i should compile it from source? |
| 17:15.31 | jmg__ | hi, i'm using ffmpeg and there seems to be no highquality option does anyone know whats changed |
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| 17:15.44 | cheal | toad_: depending on whether sid's subversion depends on a libc newer than sarge's |
| 17:15.47 | okito | PQ47, i just did init 6 .. |
| 17:15.50 | rosa | hola |
| 17:15.53 | PQ47 | okito: "sudo /sbin/init 6" |
| 17:15.59 | ALoNe_ | hola |
| 17:16.03 | mrgenixus | so I periodically get an "input/output error" when I'm using the terminal, and theonly way I've figured out how to fix it is to reboot |
| 17:16.08 | Gwildor | PQ47, by any chance could you help me set permission for hda1?, or alteast point me in the right direction? |
| 17:16.14 | okito | PQ47, yes exactly that |
| 17:16.21 | mrgenixus | can anyone explain why this occurs |
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| 17:16.41 | PQ47 | Gwildor: *pointing in the right direction* would be: fmask ;-) |
| 17:16.54 | Gwildor | PQ47, well enuff, TY |
| 17:16.54 | toad_ | yeah, of course it does... |
| 17:17.02 | toad_ | or i could go for an etch/sid mix |
| 17:17.25 | stew | !depends subversion sid |
| 17:17.27 | PQ47 | Gwildor: Its an option for mount, not a command, dont want to confuse you ;-) |
| 17:17.32 | dpkg | subversion: depends on libapr0 (>= 2.0.54), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1), libneon24 (>= 0.24.7.dfsg), libssl0.9.7, libsvn0 (>= 1.2.3a), libxml2 (>= 2.6.20), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), patch, db4.2-util |
| 17:17.37 | toad_ | there isn't an apt.conf, there's an apt.conf.d |
| 17:17.46 | PQ47 | Gwildor: Otherwise you would be looking in the wrong place ;-) |
| 17:17.48 | toad_ | it depends on testing's libc |
| 17:17.51 | mrgenixus | do I have a vioce in this channle? |
| 17:18.09 | PQ47 | mrgenixus: No |
| 17:18.09 | Ronin | mrgenixus: no you dont |
| 17:18.20 | mrgenixus | PQ47: well, how do I get one? |
| 17:18.26 | PQ47 | ... |
| 17:18.33 | Condector | hey!! |
| 17:18.36 | Ronin | why do you need one mrgenixus ? |
| 17:18.39 | mrgenixus | just kidding |
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| 17:18.54 | Gwildor | PQ47, are you assuming this is ntfs? or a share?, i jsut want acces to the drive |
| 17:18.57 | mrgenixus | what I need is a little help |
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| 17:19.00 | Condector | anyone knows a program for show all progs with usage a ram memory?? |
| 17:19.02 | stew | toad_: there are certainly benefits to using a package you backported over installing from source |
| 17:19.09 | Condector | show who use more memory? |
| 17:19.11 | Gwildor | PQ47, its a local fat drive |
| 17:19.13 | PQ47 | Condector: top? |
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| 17:19.22 | toad_ | stew: such as..? |
| 17:19.24 | stew | Condector: top, hit m to sort by memory usage |
| 17:19.29 | mrgenixus | I get the feeling something is wrong |
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| 17:19.40 | Condector | PQ47, humm, i'm try |
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| 17:19.47 | okito | PQ47, %users ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/init 6" |
| 17:19.52 | Condector | stew, M? |
| 17:19.53 | Condector | oks |
| 17:19.59 | ricky_clarkson | Apparently this channel went downhill while I was away. |
| 17:20.03 | PQ47 | okito: Hm, yeah, that looks ok |
| 17:20.12 | Condector | but, the TOP repeat much programns.. |
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| 17:20.17 | Condector | for example |
| 17:20.47 | Condector | mysql show seven |
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| 17:20.53 | stew | toad_: apt-get -b source subversion <-- is easier than fetch a .tar.gz unpack ./configure make make install; you can more cleanly remove it, or upgrade the package later, if a backport does become available you will have a clean upgrade path to it, or if you upgrade the box to etch later you can start using the debian package |
| 17:21.11 | PQ47 | Gwildor: Try "mount -o fmask=0644 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1" |
| 17:21.17 | Condector | i need a program that show a only one prog usage memory, hehe, thanks |
| 17:21.32 | stew | Condector: ps |
| 17:21.33 | Gwildor | PQ47, lol.....i was just gonna say that |
| 17:21.34 | abrotman | sussudio_: you forgot to rotate! |
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| 17:21.42 | toad_ | stew: do the instructions work? echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf -- there isn't an /etc/apt/apt.conf, and there IS an /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 17:21.44 | PQ47 | Gwildor: Hehe. :D Sorry ;-) |
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| 17:21.47 | toad_ | do i need to create a file in it? |
| 17:21.54 | stew | toad_: yes, that will upgrade you to etch |
| 17:21.58 | Gwildor | PQ47, was coming to call you off, i was starting to get it, fmask is jsut a mount option, TY |
| 17:22.01 | stew | err unstable, rather |
| 17:22.05 | okito | PQ47, even i set it like this i get the password-entry view.. |
| 17:22.23 | Condector | stew, for memory? |
| 17:22.35 | toad_ | stew: eh? sarge surely? sarge is stable... |
| 17:22.39 | stew | toad_: well those instructions wont necessarily, but if you install subversion and get sid's libc6... |
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| 17:23.04 | toad_ | stew: then i'm on sid for all intents and purposes as libc is the most likely thing to cause catastrophic failure anyway... |
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| 17:23.13 | chedabob | hi |
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| 17:23.31 | PQ47 | okito: Hm, I just tried it out myself, if I have the line "%users ALL=/sbin/init 6" there, it works |
| 17:23.38 | PQ47 | Gwildor: np |
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| 17:24.00 | chedabob | anybody have a good tutorial on getting linksys wusb54g v4 running ? |
| 17:24.01 | stew | Condector: ps -u |
| 17:24.07 | Condector | humm |
| 17:24.26 | stew | that - should maybe not be there |
| 17:24.26 | sudonim | I just installed Apache2, set up my index.htm in /var/www , but the web server keeps trying to load up the " Welcome to Apache " site. I have even deleted the Apache2-Default directory |
| 17:24.28 | CrocoJet | anyone knows where I can find "nvidia-kernel-2.6.12-1-k7" ? |
| 17:24.38 | sudonim | What can I do to make it load my index.htm |
| 17:24.41 | cheal | CrocoJet: on your machine after you compiled it |
| 17:24.45 | Condector | stew, thanks |
| 17:24.50 | sudonim | oh, and subdirectories work fine |
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| 17:25.17 | CrocoJet | cheal, I dont know to do that ... :( |
| 17:25.30 | PQ47 | sudonim: Isnt it in /var/www/localhost/htdocs ? |
| 17:25.39 | cheal | !tell CrocoJet about nvidia-howto |
| 17:25.59 | sudonim | PQ47: I have sarge installed - the webserver root is just /var/www |
| 17:26.05 | nkuttler | sudonim: grep for DirectoryIndex |
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| 17:26.22 | sussudio_ | abrotman: mreh? |
| 17:26.33 | abrotman | sussudio_: stats! |
| 17:26.44 | sussudio_ | meh |
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| 17:26.51 | abrotman | sussudio_: !!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:26.56 | sudonim | nkuttler: Would the full command be "grep DirectoryIndex" |
| 17:26.58 | sudonim | ? |
| 17:27.32 | nkuttler | sudonim: umm... you want to run apache and don't know grep? there are some great docs at apache.org. man grep |
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| 17:27.37 | nkuttler | sudonim: in /etc/apache2 |
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| 17:28.28 | roler | what package in debian allows the multimedia videos in firefox? |
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| 17:28.38 | abrotman | !info mozilla-mplayer |
| 17:28.40 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 3.05-1 (sid), Packaged size: 379 kB, Installed size: 1180 kB |
| 17:28.46 | abrotman | i assume that one |
| 17:28.49 | roler | woo thanks |
| 17:28.51 | abrotman | assuming you have mplayer also |
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| 17:29.08 | abrotman | i'm not sure if there is a gstreamer plugin for firefox |
| 17:29.09 | cheal | roler: mozilla-plugin-vlc, probably |
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| 17:29.18 | chedabob | ok, does anybody know how to get an ati radeon 9200se running with debian? or at least a generic driver that will let me do 1024x768 |
| 17:29.29 | sudonim | nkuttler: I know what the DirectoryIndex line is in apache2.conf. I wasnt sure if you were referring to that --- and yes index.htm is written on that line |
| 17:29.31 | cheal | roler: I'm not sure if there are others |
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| 17:29.44 | abrotman | use the radeon driver |
| 17:29.51 | chedabob | is it in aptitude? |
| 17:29.54 | nkuttler | sudonim: if you just added it you need to restart apache |
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| 17:30.03 | sudonim | already restarted twice |
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| 17:30.21 | abrotman | restarted how ? |
| 17:30.52 | sudonim | abrotman: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 17:30.58 | nkuttler | sudonim: is there an error? or does apache show the dir contents? |
| 17:31.13 | sudonim | error: you can see it if you want: netcousa.com |
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| 17:31.40 | chedabob | abrotman: where can i get the driver from? is it easy to install or what? |
| 17:32.04 | abrotman | it's in X already |
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| 17:32.19 | chedabob | hmmm |
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| 17:32.20 | nkuttler | sudonim: i get redirected to http://netcousa.com/apache2-default/, is that your intention? |
| 17:32.24 | chedabob | not getting 1024x768 |
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| 17:32.35 | sudonim | nkuttler: not at all... |
| 17:32.35 | abrotman | sudonim: do you allow indexing ? |
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| 17:32.52 | nkuttler | sudonim: then go and read the docs and _everything_ in /etc/apache2 |
| 17:32.53 | stew | chedabob: either the ati driver or the radeon driver which both come standard with x will work with that card |
| 17:32.54 | abrotman | sudonim: i got the same |
| 17:32.55 | tereais | can anyone help me out wiht this problem that i'm having with firefox? (firefox-bin:2769): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. |
| 17:32.55 | tereais | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.55 | tereais | *** loading the extensions datasource |
| 17:32.58 | stew | !drxx chedabob |
| 17:33.00 | dpkg | chedabob: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:33.09 | sudonim | I thought when you stick an index.html in there it will stop redirecting to the apache docs? |
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| 17:34.29 | smacnay | hmm, trying to run fbsetbg for my fluxbox and got some funky errors about 'glibc detected *** double free or corruption' and '/usr/bin/fbsetbg: line 506 ; aborted' |
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| 17:34.39 | jshriver | Good afternoon everyone, having a problem that's really weird. |
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| 17:34.47 | nvz | tereais: whats the problem? |
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| 17:35.04 | jshriver | anyone have pose segfault all the time no matter what user, and even after dpkg -P and reinstall |
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| 17:35.14 | tereais | when i launch firefox all i get is this error over and over:: (firefox-bin:2769): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. |
| 17:35.14 | tereais | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.15 | tereais | *** loading the extensions datasource |
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| 17:35.36 | nvz | tereais: thats not an error for one thing, stop pasting in here for another, its not polite. |
| 17:35.38 | eye69 | jshriver: Check your memory. Sounds like a memory fault. |
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| 17:35.44 | nvz | tereais: is there a problem or not? |
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| 17:35.47 | jshriver | but it's the only app that has probelms |
| 17:35.53 | tereais | firefox won't load |
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| 17:36.11 | nvz | tereais: well thats certainly not the problem, its not even an error |
| 17:36.14 | nvz | dpkg, warning |
| 17:36.14 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 17:36.15 | rndr^ | hi all, i have a question, how can i know on debian sarge what video card i have? because i need to install directX for hosting stuff |
| 17:36.23 | jshriver | I can try running memtest, but think it's corrupt config file or something pose uses. |
| 17:36.32 | chedabob | stew: do i need to restart my box or can i just restart session? |
| 17:36.38 | stew | chedabob: just X |
| 17:36.39 | eye69 | jshriver: Ok, didn't realise "pose" was a program. |
| 17:36.40 | jshriver | Thought dpkg -P (purge) would clean out verthing |
| 17:36.51 | stew | rndr^: lspci | grep VGA |
| 17:36.51 | jshriver | pose = palm emulator |
| 17:36.52 | chedabob | stew: how? |
| 17:36.52 | paulswm | rndr: lspci |
| 17:37.01 | eye69 | You could use strace to find the offending instruction. |
| 17:37.01 | rndr^ | stew : thx |
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| 17:37.11 | stew | chedabob: log out and back in |
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| 17:37.52 | tereais | dpkg: what path should i take to sopt the error and get firefox to load? |
| 17:37.54 | nvz | tereais: try moving your ~/.mozilla/ dir to ~/.mozilla.bak or something or run it with -ProfileManger |
| 17:38.10 | nvz | tereais: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:38.13 | tereais | nvz : k |
| 17:38.19 | tereais | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.27 | abrotman | rndr^: your question .. doesn't make any sense |
| 17:38.42 | rndr | abrotman : what do u mean ? |
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| 17:38.44 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:38.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 17:38.53 | rndr | OK |
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| 17:38.58 | rndr | abrotman : what do you mean ? |
| 17:38.58 | abrotman | rndr: you need to install directX for hosting .. and this depends on your video card? |
| 17:39.04 | chedabob | stew: didnt work |
| 17:39.20 | rndr | abrotman : its says OPENGL error |
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| 17:39.32 | abrotman | rndr: you realize linux doesn't have directX .. right ? |
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| 17:39.55 | rndr | abrotman : ? |
| 17:40.01 | dannyp | wine? |
| 17:40.03 | rndr | abrotman : what then? |
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| 17:40.06 | stew | chedabob: how so? |
| 17:40.07 | Ronin | guess that would be a no abrotman :) |
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| 17:40.18 | chedabob | well i ended session but im still at 800x600 |
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| 17:40.26 | jimjam | how do i mount another drive? (im not even sure if its mounted or not how do i check?) |
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| 17:40.32 | dannyp | but you're right, the question doesn't make any sense |
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| 17:40.40 | ricky_clarkson | jimjam: mount |
| 17:40.43 | valdyn_ | rndr: opengl |
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| 17:40.50 | rndr | yes |
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| 17:40.54 | abrotman | Ronin: surprise! |
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| 17:41.03 | rndr | how can i fix it then ? |
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| 17:41.08 | dannyp | rndr: fix what? |
| 17:41.14 | valdyn_ | !wayttd rndr |
| 17:41.15 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rndr? |
| 17:41.16 | stew | chedabob: that often means that you are trying to use a mode that is outside of the refrash rates you entered for your monitor. check the X log to see why the other modes were thrown away |
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| 17:41.32 | stew | chedabob: have you previously hand edited the X config file or run xf86config? |
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| 17:41.45 | chedabob | well i disable 800x600 and 640x480 but they are both still in the control center list, but not 1024x768 |
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| 17:41.50 | chedabob | stew: no |
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| 17:42.01 | rndr | trying to set a game that needs opengl |
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| 17:42.04 | rndr | up* |
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| 17:42.40 | stew | chedabob: check the log. you probably have the wrong refresh rates |
| 17:42.49 | chedabob | stew: wheres the log: |
| 17:42.51 | chedabob | ? |
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| 17:43.05 | stew | chedabob: /var/log/Xsomething.log |
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| 17:43.41 | chedabob | xfree86? |
| 17:43.48 | Thanatermesis | how to configure my ssh for login ONLY for the X user ? |
| 17:43.56 | bnoji | Ultra160 is backwards compatible with Ultra2 ? |
| 17:44.05 | xelam | Thanatermesis: the X users? |
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| 17:44.07 | xelam | -s |
| 17:44.22 | Thanatermesis | xelam no, the user called "asdfasdf" (for example) |
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| 17:44.28 | xelam | ah |
| 17:44.35 | xelam | AllowGroups |
| 17:44.41 | xelam | in sshd_config |
| 17:44.55 | LSorense | bnoji: yes in general. scsi devices connect to scsi controllers as long as termination is done right (don't mix differential and single ended of course) |
| 17:44.59 | xelam | man sshd_config :) |
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| 17:45.53 | bnoji | LSorense: I'm looking at a Certance DDS/DAT drive with an Ultra2 LVD interface |
| 17:45.56 | LSorense | bnoji: old scsi 1 devices may not work with other things though. the standard was a bit too vague at the time |
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| 17:46.09 | LSorense | bnoji: that should be fine on an ultra160 controller. |
| 17:46.12 | bnoji | I'm also looking at an LSI Ultra2 LVD controller |
| 17:46.19 | chedabob | stew: i can see an error that says that its not using 1024x768 because its too big for virtual size |
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| 17:46.48 | yang | Is anyone using gmail? |
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| 17:46.56 | LSorense | bnoji: anything ultra2 and higher use LVD unless talking to an old device, in which case they switch back to single ended mode (and 20MHz max) |
| 17:46.58 | chedabob | yang: yes |
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| 17:47.10 | yang | chedabob: do you have a free invitation to try it? |
| 17:47.11 | LSorense | bnoji: they will use the highest speed both the controller and device can use |
| 17:47.16 | chedabob | ye |
| 17:47.20 | chedabob | pm me your email |
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| 17:47.40 | delire | does anyone know a means to edit PDF's directly? i've been converting them to HTML with 'pdftohtml -c -f 1 -l 10 file.pdf', editing the HTML and converting to postscript with ps2pdf. |
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| 17:47.52 | tereais | nvz: moved .mozilla to .mozilla.bak still can't load firefox anyother ideas? |
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| 17:48.01 | LSorense | delire: editing pdfs is a bit like trying to edit assembly code. Not really a format ment for editing |
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| 17:48.09 | chedabob | stew: any ideas? |
| 17:48.16 | chedabob | maybe set refresh to 70 instead of 60? |
| 17:48.24 | S4nD3r | How do I install my kontact with all modules ??? |
| 17:48.25 | nvz | tereais: well that rules out a configuration problem. |
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| 17:48.30 | stew | chedabob: paste your config and log into paster (not here) |
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| 17:48.51 | tereais | it's a fresh install |
| 17:48.56 | chedabob | stew i just joined #paster |
| 17:48.57 | delire | LSorense: yes, i realise. what to wintel and apple users do in this case? |
| 17:48.59 | nvz | tereais: note I said ~/.mozilla/ not .mozilla as my path is absolute yours is relative |
| 17:49.00 | stew | tereais: do you get any errors when you start it from the command line? |
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| 17:49.27 | Maakuth_ | doesn't firefox store its data in ~/.mozilla-firefox o_O |
| 17:49.34 | stew | chedabob: i meant paster the bog /msg dpkg paster ; or /whois paster |
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| 17:49.39 | dspstv | what do i have to apt-get to have SVG adobe under firefox? i get a hundred of results via cache search |
| 17:49.47 | stew | ^bog^bot |
| 17:49.53 | nvz | Maakuth_: nope, ~/.mozilla/firefox/ |
| 17:49.57 | tereais | sorry, i moved~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.bak, and i get the error with i start from a prompt, nothing happens when i start from my icon in e17 |
| 17:49.58 | Maakuth_ | aha |
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| 17:50.05 | delire | dspstv: inkscape or gimp should do the trick. |
| 17:50.23 | valdyn_ | dspstv: SVG adobe? what is that supposed to be? |
| 17:50.24 | dspstv | delire, but what a bout a plug-in for firefox? |
| 17:50.25 | Maakuth_ | tereais, try to launch it in console and see what does it say |
| 17:50.33 | nvz | Maakuth_: already been there wake up |
| 17:50.35 | delire | dspstv: no idea.. |
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| 17:50.47 | nvz | Maakuth_: if he pastes that damn GTK warning again I am kicking you :P |
| 17:50.48 | Maakuth_ | ok damn.. i'll go back to sleep :) |
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| 17:51.03 | Maakuth_ | don't you need op for that |
| 17:51.05 | Maakuth_ | ? |
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| 17:51.16 | nvz | Maakuth_: no /me kicks Maakuth_ works fine |
| 17:51.18 | tereais | i get the error when i try to launch in console |
| 17:51.22 | Maakuth_ | nvz, :) |
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| 17:51.31 | tereais | i get nothing when i launch in x |
| 17:51.38 | dspstv | i have it under gentoo..it has to exist under debian..if i navigate to a page with svg content the browser is able to load it internally |
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| 17:51.50 | jimjam | once i have mounted a drive how can i change to it to browse it |
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| 17:52.04 | valdyn_ | dspstv: you're probably confusing something, firefox does not need a plugin to render svg images |
| 17:52.08 | solemnwarning | where can i dl a debian 0.1\1.0 netinstall cd? |
| 17:52.10 | delire | dspstv: then find what it is in gentoo and see if there is an appropriate simile in debian. |
| 17:52.11 | chedabob | stew its on the paster thing |
| 17:52.15 | nvz | tereais: are you using sarge? |
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| 17:52.16 | stew | chedabob: what is the url? |
| 17:52.17 | abrotman | solemnwarning: a what? |
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| 17:52.20 | tereais | yes |
| 17:52.20 | valdyn_ | dspstv: maybe you really mean pdf |
| 17:52.23 | chedabob | oops |
| 17:52.30 | delire | valdyn_: i didn't know this.. |
| 17:52.31 | chedabob | something about debian/paster |
| 17:52.34 | nkuttler | jimjam: cd /mount/point ? |
| 17:52.36 | abrotman | solemnwarning: a what? |
| 17:52.40 | chedabob | i quit irc by accidenty |
| 17:52.43 | tereais | i want everything to work before i try sid |
| 17:52.43 | chedabob | 'accident |
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| 17:52.51 | ricky_clarkson | VB is a case-insensitive bastard. |
| 17:53.00 | solemnwarning | a debian 0.1\1.0 netinstall cd? |
| 17:53.04 | abrotman | there was no 1.0 |
| 17:53.08 | abrotman | !release history |
| 17:53.08 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 17:53.09 | valdyn_ | delire: dont know what? |
| 17:53.12 | dspstv | valdyn_ of xourse i dont mean flash...or pdf..my firefox is unable to open svg.. maybe you are in 1.5beta already |
| 17:53.15 | stew | chedabob: it should have given you a url, like http://channels.debian.net/paste/123 <- i need to know what that 123 number is |
| 17:53.19 | chedabob | stew : http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 17:53.27 | delire | valdyn_: that firefox was able to render SVG's |
| 17:53.34 | netcatc_work | did anybody here use ocr in debian YET ? |
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| 17:53.44 | dspstv | delire from version 1.5beta on, YES |
| 17:53.47 | abrotman | solemnwarning: and .. well .. 1.1 won't have a CD and certainly not a netinst .. remember .. everyone was on 14.4 modems .. http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ |
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| 17:53.51 | valdyn_ | delire: what do svgs have to do with adobe? |
| 17:53.58 | nvz | tereais: well when you run it from a terminal, does it return to the prompt (crash) or just spew GTK warnings and never show anything not even a new prompt (hangs)? |
| 17:54.00 | delire | valdyn_: why are you asking me? |
| 17:54.05 | valdyn_ | delire: ops |
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| 17:54.09 | Atula | how do I restrict ftp user from ssh into my box? I want them to have an account for ftp but not able to ssh in. |
| 17:54.11 | valdyn_ | dsptv: what do svgs have to do with adobe? |
| 17:54.32 | dspstv | valdyn_ well adobe has a plugin for brwosers |
| 17:54.37 | dspstv | thats all |
| 17:54.52 | tereais | the GTK warnings just keep comming till i end them either killall firefox or ctrl-c |
| 17:54.54 | chedabob | stew : 855 |
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| 17:55.03 | nvz | Atula: if they dont have a shell they cannot ssh |
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| 17:55.13 | Atula | nyz: putty |
| 17:55.18 | stew | chedabob: i need to see the entire log and your entire config |
| 17:55.26 | Atula | nyz: oh oh |
| 17:55.28 | dspstv | valdyn_ so are u using 1.5firefox? |
| 17:55.49 | abrotman | !tell dspstv about u |
| 17:55.51 | Atula | nyz: If I take out the /bin/sh will they be able to list files and stuff? |
| 17:55.58 | abrotman | hehe .. nyz :) |
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| 17:56.11 | delire | Atula: make the files non-readable |
| 17:56.14 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 17:56.22 | abrotman | !phillysmite nvz |
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| 17:56.30 | stew | jagoffs |
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| 17:56.45 | delire | stew: haven't seen her in weeks |
| 17:56.45 | abrotman | you're just jealous because you didn't get hit with a mummer |
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| 17:57.01 | chedabob | stew : ok ill paste it in |
| 17:57.27 | jepagodo | I've changed root's shell to something that doesn't exist. now when i try to login as root it just says "no shell", how do i change back to bash? |
| 17:57.53 | nvz | tereais: if you are running sarge, how did you get e17? |
| 17:57.58 | valdyn_ | dspstv: the svg plugin for mozilla firefox is in the current debian package for mozilla-firefox |
| 17:58.17 | tereais | compiled from source step by step |
| 17:58.23 | delire | jepagodo: poke around in /etc/profile |
| 17:58.41 | asuffield | it's in /etc/passwd |
| 17:58.51 | chedabob | stew: log is on 856 |
| 17:58.58 | chedabob | where do i find my config? |
| 17:59.06 | delire | errm yes /etc/passwd |
| 17:59.11 | valdyn_ | dspstv: oh sorry, my type: its in 'librsvg2-bin' |
| 17:59.20 | nvz | tereais: so you have no deb packages that arent in sarge, not even libs or dependencies of e17 |
| 17:59.52 | dspstv | valdyn_ great! i will get that and see ) |
| 18:00.22 | tereais | the only deb packages on my system came from apt-get and i only have stable,sarge in my source.list |
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| 18:00.35 | stew | chedabob: you are using the vesa driver, not the ati or radeon drivers |
| 18:00.51 | stew | chedabob: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is the config file |
| 18:00.51 | ricky_clarkson | jepagodo: su -c chfn root |
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| 18:00.56 | chedabob | hmm...i tried that command u sed but it didnt work |
| 18:01.08 | stew | chedabob: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 18:01.29 | nvz | tereais: ok I am not going to doubt that anymore. I just noticed I have a firefox update pending I am going to take a peek and see what I can find out |
| 18:01.32 | jepagodo | ricky_clarkson: doesn't work |
| 18:01.41 | tereais | k |
| 18:01.42 | nvz | tereais: you just installed, like today? |
| 18:01.46 | Cope | abrotman: what device is used for line/mic if one's using alsa? PLaythrough now works, but I see no input in audacity; wondering if its because its still looking at /dev/dsp - doesn't alsa use /dev/snd/foo ? |
| 18:01.49 | tereais | like 20 min ago |
| 18:01.49 | stew | chedabob: you must have edited the XF86Confiig-4 with another tool |
| 18:01.51 | chedabob | stew: i got nothing from kdpg |
| 18:01.58 | abrotman | Cope: /dev/dsp :) |
| 18:02.03 | stew | !tell chedabob about xmd5 |
| 18:02.04 | chedabob | stew: as far as i know i havnt |
| 18:02.09 | solemnwarning | on http://archive.debian.org why are there no install isos\imgs? |
| 18:02.13 | solemnwarning | only src? |
| 18:02.21 | nvz | tereais: all my sarge boxes have no such problem, but I notice firefox was updated. maybe they patched it for CAN-2005-2871 |
| 18:02.27 | chedabob | stew: dpkg isnt doing anything |
| 18:02.34 | stew | who deleted the xmd5 factoid!!! |
| 18:02.38 | abrotman | solemnwarning: i already fucking told you .. noone had CD drives .. nooone had anything faster than a damn 14.4 modem .. read the install guides for each release ... dont' be lazy |
| 18:02.50 | tereais | i'll try to get an older copy maybe that will work |
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| 18:02.51 | solemnwarning | noone had a floppy drive either? |
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| 18:03.01 | abrotman | ffs ... |
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| 18:03.13 | abrotman | no .. only card readers |
| 18:03.18 | stew | !x md5sum |
| 18:03.18 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 18:03.20 | solemnwarning | -_- |
| 18:03.26 | ricky_clarkson | jepagodo: Doesn't work how? |
| 18:03.26 | abrotman | punch card readers were given away freely by US Gov't |
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| 18:03.37 | stew | !xmd5 is <reply> see x md5sum |
| 18:03.37 | dpkg | ...but xmd5 is already something else... |
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| 18:03.46 | stew | !+xmd5 |
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| 18:04.01 | stew | don! |
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| 18:04.13 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 18:04.14 | jepagodo | ricky_clarkson: still says "no shell" |
| 18:04.18 | abrotman | it was there |
| 18:04.21 | abrotman | oh well .. |
| 18:04.23 | nvz | tereais: probably you could try from s.d.n but if they fixed the CAN-2005-2871 or other Vulernability thats not smart |
| 18:04.26 | ahewitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.28 | stew | xmd5 me |
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| 18:04.37 | abrotman | !tell stew about xmd5 |
| 18:04.45 | stew | nuttin |
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| 18:04.52 | abrotman | stew: oh wait |
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| 18:05.02 | ricky_clarkson | jepagodo: Go to single user mode and fix it in /etc/passwd. |
| 18:05.03 | tereais | i'll do some looking |
| 18:05.08 | abrotman | !tell stew about literal xmd5 |
| 18:05.10 | chedabob | xmd5? that have anything to do with md5 hashes? |
| 18:05.12 | nvz | tereais: if you would, please verify your version number for me |
| 18:05.15 | abrotman | !tell stew about literal xmd5sum |
| 18:05.20 | nvz | tereais: dpkg -l mozilla-firefox |
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| 18:06.10 | dspstv | valdyn_ i cancelled that installl cuase its trying to pull down some gnome stuff that i dont need... i will try with firefox 1.5beta |
| 18:06.15 | nvz | hmm there is a 9day old bug filed against the firefox I am using... |
| 18:06.29 | stew | abrotman: maybe "<reply> see foo" is broken |
| 18:06.36 | jepagodo | how do i get a bash prompt with my debian cd? |
| 18:06.38 | abrotman | mebbe |
| 18:06.44 | stew | no |
| 18:06.46 | abrotman | yes! |
| 18:06.48 | S4nD3r | I dont know how solve this |
| 18:06.48 | stew | works for others |
| 18:06.48 | abrotman | yes! |
| 18:06.54 | abrotman | stew: you did it wrong ? |
| 18:06.57 | amphi | jepagodo: alt-f2 ? |
| 18:06.59 | saloxin | jepagodo: alt+F2 ? |
| 18:07.03 | saloxin | heh |
| 18:07.10 | S4nD3r | when I try do get emails using kmail, I got this error: Could not start process pop3 |
| 18:07.35 | stew | abrotman: oh, someone did xmd5 is also... |
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| 18:07.41 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:07.43 | abrotman | idiots |
| 18:07.45 | abrotman | all of them! |
| 18:07.46 | stew | !no xmd5 is <reply> see x md5sum |
| 18:07.46 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 18:08.06 | stew | sounds like a blootbot problem to me |
| 18:08.16 | stew | "This is not an issue in xorg, where the old file is simply backed up." |
| 18:08.16 | abrotman | stew: not really .. others do that |
| 18:08.20 | stew | i'm not sure that's even correct |
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| 18:08.28 | saloxin | i downgraded from sid to sarge by editing sources.list and aptitude dist-upgrade.. worked smoothly. anyone else tried it? time to update the bots dowgrade info? |
| 18:08.31 | tereais | nvz: i removed and reinstalled for the third time and it just started to work, it still spits out the error once when i start from the console but it loads |
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| 18:08.39 | stew | abrotman: must have done =~ then |
| 18:08.43 | tereais | thanks for your help |
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| 18:08.59 | abrotman | stew: the bot .. is weird :) |
| 18:09.00 | nvz | tereais: stop calling it an error, thats a warning |
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| 18:09.12 | abrotman | saloxin: did you really downgrade ? |
| 18:09.12 | chedabob | stew: i gotta go now but i might speak to you later |
| 18:09.13 | tereais | k, sorry |
| 18:09.18 | chedabob | thanks for the help tho |
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| 18:09.22 | solemnwarning | wheres install guide for 1.1 |
| 18:09.29 | solemnwarning | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.31 | nkuttler | solemnwarning: 1.1 what? |
| 18:09.31 | nvz | tereais: and I'd still like to know what version it is there are vague bugs filed that need be cleared up |
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| 18:09.37 | tereais | k |
| 18:09.37 | solemnwarning | debian version 1.1 |
| 18:09.49 | saloxin | abrotman: yup fx form xorg to xfree etc. not 100% sure al lpackages wentdown though. but system is working |
| 18:09.49 | tereais | nvz: mozilla-firefo 1.0.4-2sarge5 |
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| 18:09.56 | tereais | from apt-get |
| 18:09.56 | nvz | o_O |
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| 18:10.12 | nvz | looks like I missed two security updates on that package |
| 18:10.21 | saloxin | just thought i should mention it as a interesting tidbit |
| 18:10.22 | abrotman | solemnwarning: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/Debian-1.1/source/doc/ |
| 18:10.27 | nvz | how I dont know, seeing as I am up-to-date on everything else |
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| 18:10.48 | abrotman | saloxin: then you don't know that it truly worked |
| 18:10.52 | jepagodo | how do i get a list of partitions? |
| 18:10.54 | ricky_clarkson | Did someone say Windows XP Pro can resize its own partition? How? |
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| 18:10.55 | solemnwarning | thats where im looking |
| 18:10.57 | stew | jepagodo: fdisk -l |
| 18:11.00 | solemnwarning | i cant find install doc there |
| 18:11.05 | abrotman | solemnwarning: afaik .. those are the docs |
| 18:11.13 | solemnwarning | the install docs? |
| 18:11.22 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: WinXP* has a built in partitioning utility, yes |
| 18:11.28 | jepagodo | stew: i dont have fdisk. running live-cd |
| 18:11.31 | saloxin | abrotman: true, not verified. i'll grab a testbox some day soon and do it properly (this isi my beloved laptop) |
| 18:11.39 | abrotman | solemnwarning: remember .. people were smart back then .. |
| 18:11.45 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Does it possess a character array as an identifier, perhaps? |
| 18:11.46 | stew | jepagodo: cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:11.55 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I would look int he windows folder for it. I cant remember what its called, but they arent very smart so its probably called diskpart or something |
| 18:11.56 | solemnwarning | i have to work out howto build it?!? |
| 18:12.07 | abrotman | solemnwarning: honestly .. send an email to debian-user@lists.debian.org ... ask |
| 18:12.10 | jepagodo | stew: it's empty |
| 18:12.26 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: its in there among the other windows programs, they just dont link it to the start menu anywhere |
| 18:12.37 | Achilles557 | I installed Nessus, but after configuring an account and a password i could not log in. I tried to change the passw, but it does not work. So how can I change the passw and log in in Nessus again? |
| 18:12.39 | ricky_clarkson | diskpart seems to be it. |
| 18:12.46 | stew | jepagodo: you need to go to the help channel for your livecd then |
| 18:12.55 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: its one of them super secret things the MSCE's use like msconfig, sfc..etc |
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| 18:13.19 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: It seems to only be able to extend partitions, not shrink them. |
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| 18:13.30 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: oh well :P |
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| 18:13.54 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: maybe it cannot shring filesystems because of windows need to "fragment data" |
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| 18:14.07 | tereais | bye all thanks for the help |
| 18:14.14 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: too risky to shrink a windows filesystem I guess |
| 18:14.17 | stew | solemnwarning: why do you want to install 1.1? |
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| 18:14.22 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: is it NTFS? |
| 18:14.28 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I've done it before with Partition Magic. |
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| 18:14.48 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: partition magic doesnt care. its 3rd party |
| 18:14.49 | solemnwarning | want to see what old linux was like |
| 18:14.56 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, NTFS. |
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| 18:15.12 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: ah, well I guess fips wouldnt do either then :P |
| 18:15.12 | cheal | solemnwarning: haha. what you're running will be old soon enough |
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| 18:15.43 | Cope | abrotman: all working :-) Thanks for the hints :) |
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| 18:15.47 | nvz | solemnwarning: early versions of linux kernel had to be quite manually hacked together and ran off floppies |
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| 18:16.00 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Grr, one 80GB partition. ;( |
| 18:16.08 | Cope | abrotman: takes a while to learn to drive alsamixer, but I'm ok now :) |
| 18:16.08 | abrotman | Cope: yay! |
| 18:16.14 | nvz | IIRC they had a static variable for the size of the disk they were going to be installed on |
| 18:16.23 | abrotman | Cope: yeah .. it's not very intuitive .. hopefully it will be replaced by the time 2.8 is out :) |
| 18:16.24 | nvz | I havent read source that old in a long time |
| 18:16.34 | nvz | and I never had the urge to compile it |
| 18:16.48 | ricky_clarkson | Some of my source is that old. |
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| 18:17.19 | salinux | hi |
| 18:17.38 | nvz | I figured if it was safe or sane to use, they would still be using it. but since there has been a decade of new kernels, I figure its better to stay with the times |
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| 18:17.51 | salinux | how can i configure apt-get to work via proxy??? |
| 18:18.10 | syntaxx | how will i know what soundcard module is loaded in my system? |
| 18:18.13 | madclicker | hi guys, i am using a dvi connection to my monitor with xorg xserver, aftera while the monitor keeps going to standby mode and back every few seconds or when i clickwith my mouse on any icon. I am using ATI module |
| 18:18.15 | stew | salinux: apt-setup |
| 18:18.27 | ricky_clarkson | syntaxx: lsmod (I think) |
| 18:18.27 | amphi | salinux: does it obey the env var HTTP_PROXY ? |
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| 18:18.46 | S4nD3r | I need some help. When I try to get emails (kmail), I got the error: Could not start process pop3 |
| 18:18.47 | stew | madclicker: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 18:18.48 | nvz | amphi: I was going to say the same thing before stew gave the right answer |
| 18:18.59 | amphi | nvz: ;) |
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| 18:19.20 | cheal | S4nD3r: ask #debian-kde |
| 18:19.36 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 18:19.37 | salinux | stew apt-setup: command not found |
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| 18:19.49 | Masonary | hey guys, im having trouble with make menuconfig. Can somone please help me with this. http://channels.debian.net/paste/857 |
| 18:20.03 | stew | salinux: as root. its in /usr/sbin/ |
| 18:20.39 | amphi | looks like libc dev |
| 18:21.01 | nvz | oh boy gonna watch that movie House of 1000 corpses later I guess. supposed to be pretty sick |
| 18:21.06 | nvz | I forget what its even about |
| 18:21.16 | amphi | Masonary: install libc6-dev |
| 18:21.29 | syntaxx | when i try to boot my linux my speaker must use the mic socket in sound card.. is that OSS? |
| 18:21.31 | abrotman | Masonary: apt-get install build-essential |
| 18:21.40 | abrotman | Masonary: apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev |
| 18:21.46 | nkuttler | Masonary: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 18:21.55 | nvz | syntaxx: wtf are you talking about? |
| 18:22.05 | abrotman | nvz: i've seen it before |
| 18:22.07 | Masonary | thanks amphi, abrotman, nkuttlerm, il look at all that |
| 18:22.13 | nkuttler | uh, oibc6-dev is only a recommend |
| 18:22.19 | nkuttler | libc6-dev even |
| 18:22.29 | salinux | 1-su 2- cd /usr/sbin/ apt-setup command not found |
| 18:22.30 | nvz | abrotman: you've seen a speaker that has an identity crisis? |
| 18:22.34 | syntaxx | nvz: on my linux machine my speaker must put in my socket in my sound card to output sound |
| 18:22.36 | nvz | abrotman: I dont even know wtf he is saying |
| 18:22.47 | syntaxx | in socket of my sound card rather |
| 18:22.57 | syntaxx | err.. mic |
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| 18:23.10 | Achilles557 | I installed Nessus, but after configuring an account and a password i could not log in. I tried to change the passw, but it does not work. So how can I change the passw and log in in Nessus again? |
| 18:23.17 | madclicker | stew: xset s noblack- doesnt work |
| 18:23.18 | saloxin | salinux: you sure you're running debian? it's part of base-config |
| 18:23.19 | stew | nkuttler: libncurses5-dev depends on libc6-dev though |
| 18:23.24 | ricky_clarkson | syntaxx: What is your native language, darling? |
| 18:23.28 | amphi | salinux: try HTTP_PROXY=proxy_ip_address apt-get update |
| 18:23.37 | nvz | syntaxx: wtf kind of sound card is capable of doing such a thing? |
| 18:23.45 | ricky_clarkson | Zedman: That's rude. |
| 18:23.47 | nkuttler | stew: i meant kernel-package, no cureses in there |
| 18:23.48 | abrotman | !tell Zedman about away |
| 18:23.48 | stew | madclicker: sorry, i dunno then |
| 18:23.53 | saloxin | salinux: or install base-config - might do some nice stuff to your system |
| 18:23.57 | salinux | saloxin yes i'm using sarge |
| 18:24.00 | nkuttler | well, suggest |
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| 18:24.33 | syntaxx | nvz, my sound card is built in.. and whenever i try to switch to linux box i always put my speaker on the mic socket |
| 18:25.18 | stew | salinux: type exactly this "/usr/sbin/apt-setup" |
| 18:25.19 | nvz | syntaxx: I don't know whats more disturbing, that you do such a thing or that it works. |
| 18:25.20 | syntaxx | nvz, but on my windows speaker is in default socket |
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| 18:25.51 | syntaxx | nvz, when i installed sarge it just happen =/ |
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| 18:26.00 | nvz | you personification of hardware confuses the shit out of me |
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| 18:26.05 | stew | salinux: it looks like /usr/sbin isn't in your path (which isn't suprising, it probably would have been if you had done "su -" instead of "su" |
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| 18:26.19 | syntaxx | nvz, yeah i know.. so am i =/ |
| 18:26.25 | nigge | Hi fellow debian lovers! I think I might have descovered a bug in the mdadm package. |
| 18:26.31 | nvz | I don't explain pointer problems by personifying my mouse as an actual rodent |
| 18:26.35 | ricky_clarkson | nigge: So report it. |
| 18:26.40 | ricky_clarkson | [not here] |
| 18:26.49 | nigge | yes, but I want to make sure it's not just me... |
| 18:26.52 | micka | package text2phone ? |
| 18:26.53 | ricky_clarkson | nigge: Use reportbug, or follow the instructions on http://bugs.debian.org |
| 18:26.56 | simy | can sombody point me to a site that explains how to setup smtp and pop3 servers on a linux box? i seem to be having alot of trouble with this, and, well quite frankly i think its just lack of understanding which programs to use, and how to configure said programs, so any help would be appriceated... im going prematurly bald, and im only 22, :( |
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| 18:27.03 | ricky_clarkson | nigge: If it's not just you then there might be a bug already there. |
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| 18:27.32 | Aronofsky | hi everybody |
| 18:27.34 | petemc | simy: check out aboutdebian.com |
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| 18:27.37 | nigge | okey, I'll check, but if it's not there I'll be back :) |
| 18:27.39 | Aronofsky | got a little probleme with nautilus; something strange actually, when I choose 25% zoom by default in list view options, the text is bigger than if if I decrese the size manually with the - button |
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| 18:27.42 | simy | petemc ok thanks.... |
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| 18:29.06 | abrotman | Aronofsky: could be the font |
| 18:29.11 | simy | petemc : this seems to be the kind of site im looking for, thanks very much!, a magic solution would have worked, too, lol ;P |
| 18:29.12 | petemc | simy: tho it may not have smtp, exim is a good choice, and its debians default mta, dovecot is also good for pop3/imap |
| 18:29.19 | jepagodo | can i re-mount a partition that is in read-only mode? |
| 18:29.24 | abrotman | !remount |
| 18:29.27 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:29.36 | saloxin | jepagodo: mount / -o remount,rw |
| 18:29.37 | syntaxx | nvz, you didnt get it.. ill explain it again.. sound card have a 3 socket right? mic speaker and i dont know whats the last one.. when on my linux machine i put my speaker on mic to output sound because when i put it in the default speaker socket it doesnt output any sound |
| 18:29.38 | abrotman | jepagodo: man mount |
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| 18:29.49 | abrotman | !remount rw |
| 18:29.49 | dpkg | well, remount rw is mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint |
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| 18:30.07 | madclicker | stew, "xset dpms force off" did the trick |
| 18:30.08 | simy | petemc my problem is i havnt the slights clue what to do, my dad needs a website for well, for his realtor thing, and i got that, but now i need a form, and that needs email support, and i thought while im at it why dont i do my own email, yaknow? |
| 18:30.12 | madclicker | stew thaks |
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| 18:30.17 | saloxin | jepagodo: then passwd? ;-) |
| 18:30.21 | petemc | simy: makes sense |
| 18:30.21 | abrotman | simy: no .. |
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| 18:30.29 | simy | abrotman ? |
| 18:30.32 | Aronofsky | abrotman, actually i dont understand because If im on 25% by default the font is mid size, and then i only do + and - and then thethe font is little !!! |
| 18:30.32 | abrotman | simy: the form should be able to send to his regular email address .. right ? |
| 18:30.32 | petemc | simy: you're best to read up on it first tho... |
| 18:30.47 | simy | petemc : thats what i asked for links for:) |
| 18:30.51 | petemc | right :) |
| 18:30.58 | abrotman | simy: or you want him to have dad@realtorsite.com ? |
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| 18:31.06 | saloxin | Aronofsky: sounds liek a nautilus bug.. check bugs.debian.org/nautilus |
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| 18:31.07 | stew | madclicker: cool, if thats not already in the factoid, plase add it |
| 18:31.15 | simy | abrotman : sure, as long as it works, lol i saw somthing like cgiemail, and it apparently needs smtp support or whatever... |
| 18:31.22 | simy | i dono i never got any emails from it when i was testing it... |
| 18:31.26 | abrotman | simy: that's for Perl afaik .. |
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| 18:31.45 | simy | abrotman : well as an added bonus i figured i could setup email, i use godaddy right now, but why pay if i can do it myself |
| 18:31.46 | petemc | you'll need something to send the email the form generates |
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| 18:31.54 | simy | abrotman : afaik? |
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| 18:32.02 | jbarroso_ | hi people |
| 18:32.13 | jbarroso_ | I'm having a trouble with a migration LDAP |
| 18:32.17 | jbarroso_ | from 2.1 to 2.2 |
| 18:32.19 | syntaxx | nvz, so what do you think? |
| 18:32.20 | simy | does everybody just come in here to say hi? |
| 18:32.32 | abrotman | !afaik |
| 18:32.33 | dpkg | it has been said that afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
| 18:32.40 | abrotman | !ldap |
| 18:32.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ldap is Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
| 18:32.44 | abrotman | bah .. #ldap |
| 18:32.50 | simy | lol |
| 18:32.52 | jbarroso_ | slapadd and ldapadd doesn't like my userPassword atribute |
| 18:33.09 | madclicker | stew, i dont know how, also shoudnt a bug be filed to xorg about this issue? |
| 18:33.11 | simy | abrotman ok, well eigther way, ild like to setup my own email servers anways yaknow? |
| 18:33.26 | jbarroso_ | it's appears like base64 |
| 18:33.31 | abrotman | simy: ok .. postfix/exim are fine choices .. and for pop3 .. there are many |
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| 18:33.38 | simy | all i know is smtp is what i use to send email, and pop3 to get it, i dont know anything about serverside though |
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| 18:33.46 | stew | madclicker: it doens't sound like a bug to me |
| 18:34.17 | simy | abrotman : what pop3 server do you use? |
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| 18:34.18 | jimjam | what is the -shell option in useradd? i tried using bash but apparantly thats not allowed |
| 18:34.19 | stew | !screen blanking =~ s#xset#"xset dpms force off"# |
| 18:34.20 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 18:34.20 | jimjam | and sh as well |
| 18:34.23 | madclicker | stew, isnt it mean that i cant use dpms or energy saving mode on my monitor? |
| 18:34.25 | syntaxx | abrotman, can you help me? im having problem with my sound card.. whenever i put my speaker in the default socket it doesnt output any sound but when i put my speaker in the mic socket it outputs the sound.. its weird |
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| 18:34.31 | simy | abrotman : or better question, what can handel virtual domains (like apache) and isnt so confusing, or has good documentation... |
| 18:34.33 | abrotman | simy: courier .. but i'd rather have all my users running imap |
| 18:34.42 | stew | madclicker: i don't follow. you can. but you don't want to, right? |
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| 18:34.45 | abrotman | syntaxx: what sound card? |
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| 18:34.54 | ricky_clarkson | I'll tell you what's fucking annoying. I don't care whether you want me to. Vim behaves as vi unless you have a ~/.vimrc . That's a ballache and a half. |
| 18:34.57 | simy | abrotman : i apt-get courier-base, but cant seam to use the webadmin feature... |
| 18:35.08 | jbarroso_ | why ldapadd doesn't accept my userPassword:: fdsfsdf== format ?? |
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| 18:35.17 | beardy | jimjam: why not use adduser? |
| 18:35.20 | jbarroso_ | it was generated from slapcat :( |
| 18:35.21 | syntaxx | abrotman, in my windows soundmax i think |
| 18:35.21 | stew | ricky_clarkson: huh? i don't have a .vimrc |
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| 18:35.24 | beardy | jimjam: bash is the default anyway |
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| 18:35.37 | stew | ricky_clarkson: in what way does it not behave like vim |
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| 18:35.48 | abrotman | syntaxx: lspci |
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| 18:36.01 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Press i to get to insert mode, and there is no indication of this at the bottom. |
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| 18:36.01 | abrotman | jbarroso_: #ldap |
| 18:36.01 | simy | abrotman : and i did apt-get webadmin too, it gives me an error saying, hmmm hold on... lets look. |
| 18:36.01 | beardy | jimjam: and sh is just a symlink to bash |
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| 18:36.21 | abrotman | simy: i don't konw anything about web admin interfaces .. tehy are the work of the devil .. or nvz .. can't figure out which |
| 18:36.24 | madclicker | stew, shure i want to, if am away from work i dont need the monitor to stay on all the time, so the bug is , if i enable dpms and the monitor wayks up it just keeps doing this wiered on off mode when i move the mouse or click on an icon or switch desktops |
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| 18:36.50 | jbarroso_ | abrotman: I asked there while one hour before #debian :( |
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| 18:36.57 | stew | ricky_clarkson: thats not what happens here. even with a fresh user. check /etc/vim/vimrc maybe? |
| 18:37.00 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: SWAT (for Samba) is good. |
| 18:37.01 | abrotman | jbarroso_: ok .. but they'll know way more than us |
| 18:37.03 | ricky_clarkson | stew: That depends whether you have a /etc/vim/vimrc I think then (Debian provides this, right?). |
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| 18:37.04 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: vi! |
| 18:37.09 | syntaxx | abrotman, Multimedia auto controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC '97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 18:37.10 | stew | ricky_clarkson: yeah |
| 18:37.17 | abrotman | syntaxx: and you googled ? |
| 18:37.23 | simy | abrotman : ok so exim4 for smtp and courier for pop3, whats imap? |
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| 18:37.33 | abrotman | syntaxx: google "82801EB mic speaker reverse" |
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| 18:37.38 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I still don't see why the main distro of vim does this. |
| 18:37.38 | simy | abrotman : i figure its another protocol like pop3, but why is it better? |
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| 18:37.40 | syntaxx | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 18:37.45 | abrotman | !imap |
| 18:37.45 | dpkg | i guess imap is (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and ... |
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| 18:38.13 | simy | !pop3 |
| 18:38.13 | dpkg | POP3 is a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. An evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not. See <fetchmail>. telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails; user foo; pass ****; list; retr 1; dele 1; quit. Also see RFC1939 |
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| 18:38.50 | nigge | ricky_clarkson: it's probably a bug, reporting it now. mdadm is flooding my syslog with about 10 errors/s and it's already´about 400mb. :) |
| 18:38.57 | jimjam | adduser automatically specifys the dar |
| 18:39.05 | nigge | and my raid array is dead |
| 18:39.14 | simy | abrotman : ok, more reading lol thanks for your help, chances are ill be back, but hopefully ill be halfway there :) |
| 18:39.15 | jimjam | i wanna add a user to a diff dir, when i left -s out i couldnt FTP in, proftpd said incorrect shell or something |
| 18:39.21 | abrotman | simy: ok .. enjoy |
| 18:39.29 | ricky_clarkson | stew: :help compatible details it. |
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| 18:39.43 | syntaxx | abrotman, cant seem to find it on google |
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| 18:40.58 | solemnwarning | where can i find installation docs\howto for debian 1.1? |
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| 18:41.29 | m2 | solemnwarning: didn't the CDs ship with the install guide? |
| 18:41.31 | baz | is there a non-xfree version of gs available? |
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| 18:41.43 | solemnwarning | m2: i doubt it |
| 18:41.45 | abrotman | solemnwarning: i TOLD You .. email the debian-user list |
| 18:41.48 | solemnwarning | im using http://archive.debian.org anyway |
| 18:42.02 | solemnwarning | im not in that list |
| 18:42.03 | thingfish | syntaxx: I had a motherboard with an onboard audio oddity like yours. Onboard audio is commonly a source of problems. I'd recommend spending $20 and getting a sblive. |
| 18:42.04 | beardy | jimjam: It's all in the manual, read it. |
| 18:42.06 | m2 | solemnwarning: I remember rather clearly that they did. |
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| 18:42.18 | abrotman | solemnwarning: doesn't matter! |
| 18:42.20 | solemnwarning | and whenever i join a mailing list i get spammed by too much mail from it |
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| 18:42.26 | kururu | sadasd |
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| 18:42.38 | abrotman | solemnwarning: you don't have to join .. ffs .. email them .. noone here knowds .. the dman thing is 10 years old .. |
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| 18:42.55 | kururu | como faço p/ baixar o nevelclinte ????????/ alguem sabe |
| 18:42.56 | kururu | ??? |
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| 18:43.01 | cheal | !hispanic |
| 18:43.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, hispanic is por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues; Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 18:43.09 | thingfish | !br |
| 18:43.10 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:43.28 | thingfish | oh cool, that's new |
| 18:43.36 | cheal | !factinfo hispanic |
| 18:43.36 | dpkg | hispanic -- created by PerfDave <user42415@sparky.ox.compsoc.net> at Mon Oct 11 04:47:12 2004 (360 days); it has been requested 16 times, last by cheal, 35s ago. |
| 18:43.38 | Thirsteh | Is there a command to toggle if a runlevel script, say Webmin, runs on startup? Like there's...chkcfg I believe for Redhat - so I don't have to remove symlinks from runlevel dirs and stuff? |
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| 18:43.45 | cheal | !lose thingfish |
| 18:43.46 | dpkg | thingfish: You Lose. |
| 18:43.47 | syntaxx | thingfish, ic.. anywayz ill shift it once i shift on diff os.. its just like so tiring |
| 18:43.53 | thingfish | I *did* lose. |
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| 18:44.16 | beardy | !tell Thirsteh -about update-rc.d |
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| 18:44.20 | beardy | !tell Thirsteh -about rcconf |
| 18:44.34 | Thirsteh | that's what I needed, thanks beardy :) |
| 18:44.37 | thingfish | but I don't think hispanic has anything at all to do with brazil or portuguese. |
| 18:44.46 | beardy | Thirsteh: no problem |
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| 18:44.57 | thingfish | hispanic pertains to spanish-speaking people. |
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| 18:45.10 | abrotman | why not call it 'southamerican' :) |
| 18:45.14 | thingfish | hehe |
| 18:45.25 | thingfish | !damn furriners |
| 18:45.31 | thingfish | hehe oops |
| 18:45.32 | beardy | abrotman: Portugal is not in South America. |
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| 18:46.16 | abrotman | beardy: brasil is |
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| 18:46.24 | beardy | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 18:46.27 | abrotman | beardy: and that can be fixed .. just wait .. GWB will do it somehow! |
| 18:46.36 | cheal | that's the spirit |
| 18:46.39 | beardy | abrotman: GWB? |
| 18:46.44 | cheal | !gwb |
| 18:46.44 | dpkg | gwb is, like, a fucking money |
| 18:46.44 | abrotman | !gwb |
| 18:46.57 | abrotman | beardy: bush .. moron .. idiot .. fucktard in the big whitehouse |
| 18:46.59 | beardy | still ? |
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| 18:46.59 | pacman | here's one... ipv6 is causing me all kinds of trouble. But I can't rmmod ipv6 because it's in use and I don't know how to get rid of all the uses. For example eth0 and lo somehow are configured with ipv6 addresses even though there is nothing of the kind in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:47.19 | bbrazil | pacman: you can't remove ipv6 one its in |
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| 18:47.46 | cheal | well, I'd check for a new name if wikipedia was alive |
| 18:47.50 | beardy | abrotman: Oh, now I get it :) (a bit slow at the moment apparently..). And yes, he is. |
| 18:47.54 | pacman | ok then can I somehow tell named to stop trying to do DNS queries over UDP6/IPV6? they're getting nowhere |
| 18:48.10 | beardy | shouldnät that be monkey, instead of money? |
| 18:48.40 | thingfish | beardy: at least! |
| 18:48.47 | pacman | seems like if you don't actually have ipv6 connectivity, the ipv6 module screws you. |
| 18:49.07 | pacman | and where are those ipv6 addresses coming from, if /etc/network/interfaces doesn't have them? |
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| 18:49.12 | Scognito | hi |
| 18:49.14 | asuffield | pacman: umm, I don't think bind is really doing queries to ipv6 hosts. you're probably looking at ipv4 addresses in ipv6 mode, that's harmless |
| 18:49.29 | asuffield | and those addresses will be the ipv4 ones |
| 18:49.29 | LSorense | pacman: I believe there is a way to convert existing ipv4 addresses to ipv6 format |
| 18:49.37 | Scognito | what can i use to get my usb devices mounted automatically when i plug them? |
| 18:49.43 | Scognito | i'm using 2.6 |
| 18:49.43 | beardy | dpkg: no gwb is a fucktard monkey |
| 18:49.44 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
| 18:49.46 | asuffield | every valid ipv4 address has a strictly equivalent ipv6 address which is interchangeable with it |
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| 18:50.01 | fbi | haha wtf |
| 18:50.16 | pacman | I can't resolve any hosts unless I do it manually with dig... named is screwed up somehow. |
| 18:50.20 | fbi | i just tweaked all my alsamixer settings and now i can still hear the track playing when xmms volume is at 0 |
| 18:50.22 | asg | Scognito: autofs is what I use. There's a howto at debian-administration.org |
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| 18:50.37 | Scognito | ok tnx asg |
| 18:50.52 | fbi | loud might i add |
| 18:50.58 | asuffield | pacman: this is most likely unrelated. all the DNS servers in the real world have ipv4 addresses, so it's got no reason to be looking up ipv6 ones |
| 18:51.26 | pacman | a.root-servers.net has an IPv6 address... |
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| 18:51.32 | ricky_clarkson | beardy: Hi darling, did you feel the need to abuse a bot? |
| 18:51.49 | beardy | ricky_clarkson: Abuse? |
| 18:51.57 | stew | !forget gwb |
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| 18:52.11 | asuffield | ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 |
| 18:52.11 | asuffield | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
| 18:52.11 | asuffield | ;a.root-servers.net. IN AAAA |
| 18:52.12 | beardy | It was already fucking in the bot you moron. |
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| 18:52.16 | asuffield | pacman: it does not |
| 18:52.18 | ricky_clarkson | !gwb |
| 18:52.18 | dpkg | i heard gwb is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W_Bush |
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| 18:52.41 | pacman | oh sorry, it was a.gtld-servers.net |
| 18:52.44 | SpamHog | Order! Order!!! |
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| 18:52.58 | pacman | ok, I'll look closer... |
| 18:52.59 | asuffield | oh now that's perverse. still, I don't believe bind will use it |
| 18:53.09 | ricky_clarkson | beardy: Calm down lover, I saw only what I saw. |
| 18:53.12 | Thirsteh | Do I really need apmd, acpi-support, acpid and powernowd running when this is a stationary PC? |
| 18:53.26 | beardy | ricky_clarkson: allright.. |
| 18:53.27 | roberto | i'm italian! |
| 18:53.28 | danieldg | my bind9 uses the ipv6 record for a.gtld-servers.net |
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| 18:53.46 | SpamHog | roberto: and? |
| 18:53.59 | asg | Thirsteh: If you aren't using acpi or apm, then no. |
| 18:54.00 | roberto | you speach italian? |
| 18:54.02 | asg | !it |
| 18:54.02 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 18:54.27 | MoRLoCh | hehe bischeri |
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| 18:54.27 | Thirsteh | asg, that's a weird answer :P |
| 18:54.34 | SpamHog | roberto: not here, dcc me or sway |
| 18:54.37 | asuffield | pacman: oh, this is a bug in bind < 9.2.5 and < 9.3.1 |
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| 18:54.50 | asg | Thirsteh: no it isn't |
| 18:55.05 | asuffield | it's not *supposed* to do that when there's no real ipv6 connectivity |
| 18:55.05 | asg | bah |
| 18:55.12 | fbi | what's that package that will set all your audio files to the same volume level for playback? |
| 18:55.17 | asg | fbi: normalize |
| 18:55.23 | fbi | sweet thanks |
| 18:55.33 | pacman | oh great, and Debian has 9.2.4 |
| 18:55.57 | asg | fbi: normalize-audio in sarge and higher, sorry |
| 18:56.01 | asuffield | I have 9.3.1 in sid |
| 18:56.14 | fbi | found it anyway, cheers |
| 18:56.21 | asuffield | but 9.2.4 in sarge, how inconvinient |
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| 18:56.53 | pacman | let me ask a simpler question then. If you want to remove the ipv4 address from an interface, you can do "ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0"... what's the ipv6 equivalent for that? |
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| 18:57.12 | samuel | anyone know where i could get some help with abiword? |
| 18:57.17 | asuffield | pacman: ifconfig eth0 inet6 del 3ffe:ffff:0:f101::1/64 |
| 18:57.26 | asuffield | that should work around the problem |
| 18:57.47 | baz | why use ipv6? |
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| 18:57.53 | asuffield | he isn't using ipv6 |
| 18:58.02 | baz | good |
| 18:58.09 | pacman | it's currently set to this, by the way: inet6 addr: fe80::20b:2fff:fe4b:dc3c/64 Scope:Link ... |
| 18:58.18 | asuffield | ah, link-local address |
| 18:58.25 | samuel | anyone know how to get a header in all the pages except the first? |
| 18:58.29 | samuel | in abiword? |
| 18:58.33 | asuffield | that's your MAC address in there, I think you'll find |
| 18:58.49 | asuffield | anyway, delete it |
| 18:59.08 | pacman | cool, ifconfig del, I never noticed that one before |
| 18:59.33 | asuffield | can do it with ip(1) as well |
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| 18:59.46 | pacman | it doesn't decrease the usage count of the kernel module though... will this dumb problem force me to reboot? |
| 19:00.16 | asuffield | well, no, you can just delete all the ipv6 addresses. you'll have to stop it from loading next time you boot, though |
| 19:00.22 | Reilithion | is there a place (pronounced "web site") where I can learn programming skills I'd need on my way to becomming a Debian or GNU developer? I have a little programming experience, but nowhere near what I want to achieve, and almost certainly not enough to make a good developer yet. |
| 19:00.24 | Wishbear | I accidently hosed all my apt source lists is there a way I can repair this? |
| 19:00.27 | pacman | I already killed it in /lib/modules |
| 19:00.38 | asuffield | Reilithion: no |
| 19:00.45 | pacman | maybe restarting named with no ipv6 addresses on any interfaces, it'll get the hint |
| 19:00.59 | asuffield | probably don't even need to restart it |
| 19:01.21 | Wishbear | Reilithion, you get one hint, because if you don't get it you don't belong programming: google.com |
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| 19:02.03 | SpamHog | asuffield: that's a good literal reply - but where should Rehiliton turn? |
| 19:02.11 | asuffield | SpamHog: definitely not to websites |
| 19:02.19 | SpamHog | :-)) |
| 19:02.26 | asuffield | the only way to learn how to code is to spend roughly ten years doing it |
| 19:02.50 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Even that doesn't guarantee anything.. |
| 19:03.05 | asuffield | you can't do it quicker than that really. all you can do in less time is convince yourself that you did |
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| 19:03.18 | ircops | asuffield: you could always find one of those devices that they have in the matrix that let you load data directly into your brain... you can get them on ebay I think |
| 19:03.27 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: oh, sure, it's just the only real way. doesn't mean it always *works* |
| 19:03.34 | asuffield | ircops: downloadable-shit-for-your-brain.com? |
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| 19:04.01 | ircops | asuffield: no hyphens |
| 19:04.01 | fbi | ircops: lsd does the same thing |
| 19:04.09 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: I suppose reading the source for blootbot would advance the programmer. |
| 19:04.10 | ircops | fbi: I agree.. we can't find it in our area tho right now hehe |
| 19:04.20 | ricky_clarkson | In terms of understanding what not to do. |
| 19:04.20 | fbi | what area might that be |
| 19:04.25 | ircops | central florida |
| 19:04.27 | ircops | believe it or not |
| 19:04.39 | fbi | whoa you're telling me no one slings acid there? |
| 19:04.42 | ircops | you'd think florida would be overflowing with drugs |
| 19:04.42 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: more likely to advance them towards a bucket, to hurl |
| 19:04.59 | ircops | fbi: yep.. maybe in miami or something, but that's a four hour drive |
| 19:04.59 | ricky_clarkson | Speaking of which, this new office has no bin. |
| 19:05.00 | asuffield | fbi: that doesn't download stuff into your brain, it just scrambles what it already there |
| 19:05.06 | asuffield | s/it/is/ |
| 19:05.10 | fbi | agreed |
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| 19:05.24 | asuffield | in the sense of completely reordering it in a random fashion |
| 19:05.39 | asuffield | like cutting it into little scrabble tiles, putting them into a bag, and shaking it a bit |
| 19:05.47 | ircops | shake and bake |
| 19:05.49 | ircops | heh |
| 19:06.05 | ircops | <--- Timothy Leary's successor |
| 19:06.06 | ircops | lol |
| 19:06.14 | SpamHog | really random, not even pseudorandom, I'm afraid |
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| 19:06.59 | SpamHog | (there's pseudoephedrine derivatives for that) |
| 19:07.06 | Reilithion | This is all very fascinating. So, if I may ask, how/where did you learn the coding skills you have? |
| 19:07.20 | SpamHog | don't ask me! |
| 19:07.21 | ricky_clarkson | Reilithion: I learn it from a boooook. |
| 19:07.39 | ricky_clarkson | Reilithion: I learned to code by coding. |
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| 19:07.49 | SpamHog | name names! Knuth? |
| 19:08.02 | ricky_clarkson | SpamHog: Spectrum 48 User's Manual. |
| 19:08.06 | pacman | K&R2 |
| 19:08.11 | Reilithion | I've got about 12 books. They're really good at teaching me how to write hello world programs and then turning them into CD title databases that greet you with "Hello world." |
| 19:08.11 | SpamHog | :) |
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| 19:08.12 | ricky_clarkson | SpamHog: Commodore 64 User's Manual. |
| 19:08.14 | baz | Reilithion: books, mentors, banging my head repeatedly against my model m... but mostly practise |
| 19:08.23 | fbi | i learned how to code by watching 'hackers' |
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| 19:08.28 | ricky_clarkson | SpamHog: Bjarne Stroustrup's C++. |
| 19:08.38 | ricky_clarkson | SpamHog: perldoc perl |
| 19:09.01 | SpamHog | see Rehil ? |
| 19:09.03 | asuffield | Reilithion: you cannot learn how to code by following instructions from books |
| 19:09.05 | ircops | SpamHog: mmmmm pseudoephedrine derivatives yummy |
| 19:09.05 | ricky_clarkson | SpamHog: java.sun.com - w3c.org - and ultimately www.google.com |
| 19:09.10 | asuffield | all you can learn from that is a language |
| 19:09.11 | pacman | yeah you should watch movies with "computer whiz" characters, they're very realistic |
| 19:09.18 | ircops | l-methylamphetamine |
| 19:09.27 | asuffield | know what to do with a language once you can speak it is a completely different skill |
| 19:09.31 | asuffield | s/know/knowing/ |
| 19:09.32 | mage | I learned how to code from "The Core" |
| 19:09.33 | baz | pacman: I base my cracking technique on the dude from Swordfish |
| 19:09.40 | fbi | haha baz |
| 19:09.58 | ircops | heh |
| 19:10.08 | baz | he had like 7 monitors |
| 19:10.15 | baz | 1337 |
| 19:10.18 | mage | pfft the guy in the core had more than that |
| 19:10.29 | baz | haven't seen it |
| 19:10.32 | mage | ah |
| 19:10.33 | baz | sounds wonderful |
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| 19:10.39 | asuffield | somebody really needs to introduce those guys to the concept of plasma projection |
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| 19:10.57 | abrotman | and apparently spends all day reading spam |
| 19:11.03 | EtherNet_Work | which is the command for adding and removnig files from /etc/init.d/ for booting services |
| 19:11.03 | SpamHog | I do |
| 19:11.10 | baz | asuffield: blood plasma, I hope |
| 19:11.25 | fbi | EtherNet_Work: update-rc.d ? |
| 19:11.34 | pureone | rcconf |
| 19:11.36 | beardy | EtherNet_Work: The files in there a re not touched. |
| 19:11.45 | EtherNet_Work | fbi, exactly, thank you so much |
| 19:11.49 | usn_router | hi folx |
| 19:11.50 | mage | links in /etc/rc.d I think |
| 19:11.51 | fbi | anytime, pal. |
| 19:12.57 | SpamHog | >> and apparently spends all day reading spam --- http://www.halfbakery.com/user/spamhog |
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| 19:13.39 | Reilithion | Is it just me, or is there a direct relationship between coding skill and cynicism? |
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| 19:13.51 | ircops | it's not direct |
| 19:13.55 | ircops | it's an indirect effect |
| 19:14.11 | baz | perhaps it's a personality type |
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| 19:14.16 | ircops | coding skill ----> coding ----> frustration ----> cynicism |
| 19:14.16 | Reilithion | I mean direct like in the phrase "directly proportional" |
| 19:14.21 | SpamHog | goes through overuse of IRC |
| 19:14.25 | Thirsteh | lol :) |
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| 19:14.57 | ircops | Reilithion: therefore visual basic programmers are the most cynical of all lol |
| 19:15.01 | asuffield | somebody who isn't cynical probably isn't going to be a very good coder. they haven't seen enough stupid shit yet |
| 19:15.05 | Reilithion | lol @ ircops |
| 19:15.10 | baz | ircops: I thought we were talking about programming languages |
| 19:15.28 | ircops | baz: languages? |
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| 19:15.33 | cddesjar | where are the icons for openoffice.org2 located on my computer? i installed the package via alien conversion from the website |
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| 19:15.35 | ircops | baz: language wasn't said |
| 19:15.36 | ircops | hehe |
| 19:15.38 | ircops | :D |
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| 19:15.49 | ircops | cddesjar: what desktop environment do you use? |
| 19:15.50 | asuffield | once you've been coding for long enough then you stop expecting anything vaguely related to programming to be not-stupid |
| 19:15.55 | beardy | cddesjar: Why one earth did you do that? |
| 19:15.57 | asuffield | and this is conventionally labelled "cynical" |
| 19:16.03 | vl|ryan | I've got a question about debian and scsi raid -- installation |
| 19:16.07 | pacman | can anyone else resolve world.std.com? I don't know if my named is still messed up or that site's actually down... |
| 19:16.11 | Reilithion | nice convenient word for it |
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| 19:16.15 | baz | asuffield: s/vaguely related to programming// |
| 19:16.32 | beardy | !info openoffice.org sarge |
| 19:16.35 | asuffield | baz: I don't believe you get that from coding. probably comes from reading the news |
| 19:16.37 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (high-quality office productivity suite), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.3-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 6712 kB, Installed size: 28944 kB |
| 19:16.38 | beardy | ^^ cddesjar |
| 19:16.46 | agroker | we plan to get a ATA drive for our Dell Dimension 4700 PC, the question is where to check whether "Hitachi DeskStar T7K250" hd and "Adaptec Ultra ATA Card 1233" controller will be recognised under Debian (beofre we buy them)? thanks |
| 19:17.02 | SpamHog | Reilithion: there's a classic article by Eric Raymond which pretty much dovetails with what folks says here. And, yes, it IS on a website! http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 19:17.06 | beardy | !tell cddesjar about search |
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| 19:17.13 | Reilithion | pacman: PING world.std.com (192.74.137.5) |
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| 19:17.26 | SpamHog | "How to become a hacker" |
| 19:17.28 | baz | SpamHog: esr is a dick |
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| 19:18.02 | Reilithion | nice. thanks, SpamHog |
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| 19:18.36 | SpamHog | and RS had bad breath - so what? there's room for both, even if ESR is the weaker coder |
| 19:18.39 | solaris00 | hehelo are you on-line? |
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| 19:18.40 | SpamHog | by far |
| 19:18.42 | pacman | reilithion, did it respond to the pings though? you might have got it resolved from cache |
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| 19:19.26 | Reilithion | pacman, it responded to pings |
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| 19:19.37 | solaris00 | hehelo are you on-line? |
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| 19:20.07 | pacman | hmm, it doesn't for me. |
| 19:20.16 | baz | SpamHog: apart from his online ramblings about guns and "black people are stupid", and in between threatening to shoot Bruce Perens, what has esr actually done? |
| 19:20.19 | agroker | where to find a list of Debian compatible hardware (mostly winchesters, their controllers etc)? |
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| 19:20.58 | ircops | !hardware |
| 19:20.58 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
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| 19:21.15 | SpamHog | PR. Yes, you need PR. Yes, it's a sick world. |
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| 19:21.36 | ircops | I have a personal public relations spokesman |
| 19:21.41 | ircops | she has big tits |
| 19:21.42 | baz | SpamHog: yeah, I saw his letter to the Microsoft recruiter. Great PR for OSS. |
| 19:21.42 | ircops | :D |
| 19:21.47 | ricky_clarkson | baz: He wrote fetchmail,I think. |
| 19:21.49 | RichiH | ircops: .. |
| 19:21.53 | SpamHog | :-) |
| 19:22.08 | solaris00 | Can somebody help me? I don't know how to fix the problem with my printer. |
| 19:22.16 | baz | ricky_clarkson: correct. and that's just about it. |
| 19:22.17 | bbrazil | ricky_clarkson: no, he took over the project |
| 19:22.23 | SpamHog | True, he could have used the occasion mucho better! |
| 19:22.28 | bbrazil | took over in the good sense |
| 19:22.44 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: .. |
| 19:22.50 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: .. |
| 19:23.00 | pacman | hmm, apparently I can't reach _anything_ in the range 192.33.0.0 - 192.191.255.255... thanks again Sean Connery |
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| 19:23.11 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: ... --- ... |
| 19:23.28 | beardy | wtf.. |
| 19:23.30 | SpamHog | solaris00: just ask! |
| 19:23.39 | solaris00 | I want to configure a HP LaserJet 1150 printer on debian sarge 3.1 |
| 19:23.46 | solaris00 | I am using lpd and the printcap file has: lp|lase:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :rp=text:\ :lf=/var/log//lp-errors:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: |
| 19:24.04 | pacman | solaris00, www.linuxprinting.org is a good thing |
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| 19:24.16 | kurtak | quick questions- i installed sarge when it was testing. now it's stable; so does that mean it's okay to still get packages from 'testing' branch? and does it mean that i'm still using sarge if i've installed many packages from the testing branch, or am i using a hybrid of sarge and sid (sargid ;)? |
| 19:24.22 | solaris00 | but when I use lpr /etc/hosts it prints with the efect stairs and if I redirection it to > /dev/lp0 |
| 19:24.32 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: ..-. ..- -.-. -.- -.-- --- ..- |
| 19:24.36 | ricky_clarkson | kurtak: You're running testing, I think. |
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| 19:24.46 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Sorry, I don't speak Polish. |
| 19:24.52 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: your loss |
| 19:25.09 | solaris00 | it doesn't print anything until I use again lpr but even it doesn't work well |
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| 19:25.13 | baz | kurtak: testing is etch |
| 19:25.15 | thingfish | ja mowie troche po polsku. |
| 19:25.29 | kurtak | baz: oops! thanks |
| 19:25.39 | beardy | kurtak: You're now running testing. |
| 19:25.39 | thingfish | a *very* little bit. |
| 19:25.44 | solaris00 | I don't know what is bad, I have read the www.linuxprinting |
| 19:25.45 | ricky_clarkson | babelfish and google don't translate to Polish. |
| 19:25.51 | cddesjar | whoops |
| 19:25.52 | cddesjar | i use gnome |
| 19:25.57 | jimjam | i want something to run on startup, where can i put it ? |
| 19:26.04 | cddesjar | because i didnt' want to use the experimental packages |
| 19:26.33 | beardy | kurtak: /msg dpkg testing |
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| 19:26.42 | solaris00 | I don't know where is the problem... |
| 19:26.53 | SpamHog | .--. ... . -. --- -- --- .-. ... .... . .-. . - -. -..- |
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| 19:27.32 | pacman | solaris00, you need some filter to fix stairstep effect... |
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| 19:27.58 | solaris00 | Can you tell me how to do that? |
| 19:28.06 | kamaraju | Using reportbug, can I reopen a closed bug? If so How can I do it? I want to reopen 308865 |
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| 19:28.33 | solaris00 | pacman: Can you tell me how to do that? |
| 19:28.33 | ricky_clarkson | jimjam: crontab |
| 19:29.25 | beardy | jimjam: man 5 crontab |
| 19:29.33 | [algo] | I have a select from 11-mil table: |
| 19:29.33 | beardy | jimjam: Use @reboot |
| 19:29.33 | [algo] | SELECT * FROM tour WHERE meal in (8,15) and cat in (5,10) order by price; |
| 19:29.33 | [algo] | currently it uses (price, meal, cat) btree |
| 19:29.33 | [algo] | but there are only 10 distinct meals and 10 cats per whole table |
| 19:29.33 | [algo] | is there a way to optimize the select ? |
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| 19:29.46 | pacman | solaris00, I like to use magicfilter (apt-get install magicfilter). If you want to go all low-level on it, read printcap(5) and write a script that inserts \r's before the \n's... magicfilter does a lot more though. It does all kinds of conversions so you can use lpr directly on image files, postscript, etc. |
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| 19:31.10 | solaris00 | pacman: but why when I send something to /dev/lp0 dooesn't print anything |
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| 19:31.37 | jimjam | beardy : i was thinking along the lines of sticking it in a startup script somewhere? |
| 19:31.47 | jimjam | its an infconfig line that adds another ip alias |
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| 19:31.50 | bjb_ | How can I reconfigure exim4? dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low exim4 doesn't ask me any questions |
| 19:31.54 | solaris00 | pacman: Do you think with the magicfilter the problem will be fixed? |
| 19:32.15 | ricky_clarkson | jimjam: @reboot in crontab is like a startup script. |
| 19:32.17 | pacman | solaris00, I don't know, maybe it requires a FF (^L) between pages, or maybe you're just way past the edge of the paper thanks to stair-stepping and it doesn't wrap. |
| 19:32.21 | beardy | jimjam: The cron will work nicely. |
| 19:32.25 | beardy | then* |
| 19:32.26 | saloxin | jimjam: create a /etc/init.d/local, add your stuff, chmod +x, and symlink it into /etc/rc2.d |
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| 19:32.49 | remadmin | Anyone know what string excludes broadcast traffic using tethereal -f ? |
| 19:32.51 | SpamHog | jimjam: can't you just do it in the interfaces config file? AFAIK you can add aliases for the same ethx's there |
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| 19:33.22 | [algo] | beardy: thanks |
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| 19:33.35 | jimjam | erm i guess i could but after reading through the man page i couldnt see where |
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| 19:34.48 | cahoot | bjb_: I think it's exim4-config |
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| 19:35.16 | solaris00 | pacman: I am going to try with magicfilter... |
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| 19:35.35 | SpamHog | jimjam: there's a number of primers floating around, with examples - that's where I looked stuff up - the manpage is inteed terse - also, check if there's an exampe file on your system, not sure if Debian has one |
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| 19:36.02 | bjb_ | thanks cahoot... going to install exim4-config... (I guess exim4 pkg install scripts do the same work as exim4-config?) |
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| 19:36.11 | ricky_clarkson | SpamHog: man 5 interfaces |
| 19:36.19 | RichiH | SpamHog: pse nomors he re t nx |
| 19:36.24 | cahoot | bjb_: ie dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:36.29 | saloxin | jimjam: just use eth0:0 as you would any other eth? device? |
| 19:36.29 | RichiH | SpamHog: that does not make sense |
| 19:37.03 | jimjam | do i have to add an address/netmask/gateway for every ip though? |
| 19:37.05 | bjb_ | cahoot, aha. indeed, which exim4-config didn't show anything but apt-get install exim4-config says it's already isntalled, will try dpkg-reconfigure, thanks |
| 19:37.13 | pacman | you can put eth0:0 in /etc/network/interfaces, I've done it. |
| 19:37.25 | ratschnowski | hi, got a question and hope not to be wrong here. i am using debian woody stable on a root server and got hacked yesterday. i just need some hints, where to look for the security hole. it was a lamp (apache 1.3.33, mysql 4.0.23) i used postfix 2 , typo3 3.8 and 3.7 pureftpd 1.0.20 and did a regular apt-get upgrade/update |
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| 19:37.34 | SpamHog | Richie: prawilno! |
| 19:37.34 | pacman | you should probably only have one interface with a "gateway" specified in /etc/network/interfaces, unless you really want multiple default rotues. |
| 19:37.38 | jimjam | iface eth0:1 inet static |
| 19:37.40 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: It's easy to decrypt. |
| 19:37.41 | jimjam | address x.x.x.x |
| 19:37.47 | jimjam | can i just keep repeating that for how many i want? |
| 19:37.53 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: maybe i am too tired |
| 19:38.07 | ratschnowski | i controlled all the logfiles of those applications, as well as auth.log, sys.log and stuff but cant find anything suspicious |
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| 19:38.13 | Mr-R | jimjam: dont forget the auto eth0:1 line |
| 19:38.32 | ratschnowski | a new user was created on the system and a fake website installed used for phishing |
| 19:38.40 | jimjam | will i have to add gateway/netmask for all the ips? |
| 19:38.40 | SpamHog | I was mistyping AND using cw shorthand: pse (=please) no mors(e) here tnx (=thanks) |
| 19:38.47 | beardy | ratschnowski: If you got cracked, grab your data, reinstall with sarge. |
| 19:39.04 | Mr-R | jimjam: netmask should be sufficient |
| 19:39.05 | saloxin | jimjam: heh try and see? |
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| 19:39.13 | beardy | ratschnowski: woody is oldstable |
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| 19:39.31 | ratschnowski | beardy: thats what i will do, but i would really like to trace the attack |
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| 19:39.52 | Frem | Does anyone know of a set of debs to install e17 on sarge? |
| 19:39.56 | ratschnowski | but i am not really experienced with tracing attacks |
| 19:39.58 | beardy | ratschnowski: Start checking the logs, and so on. |
| 19:40.03 | pacman | a good cracker doesn't leave a trail, ratschnowski. A great cracker leaves a _fake_ trail. |
| 19:40.21 | jimjam | ok ive edited network, how can i get all those ive added to come up now |
| 19:40.29 | pacman | jimjam, ifup -a |
| 19:40.30 | ratschnowski | ok, so its almost impossible to find out i guess... |
| 19:40.31 | bbrazil | ifup -a |
| 19:40.32 | beardy | pacman: A cracker installing phishing websites os probably not good. |
| 19:40.44 | beardy | is |
| 19:40.58 | ratschnowski | i already found out in the appache-log when and from what computer he did it |
| 19:41.14 | ratschnowski | but i wonder how he was able to create a new user |
| 19:41.26 | beardy | ratschnowski: He got root. |
| 19:41.48 | jimjam | nop its not braught them up |
| 19:42.04 | beardy | ratschnowski: Which kernel does the machine run? |
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| 19:42.36 | ratschnowski | beardy: whats the command again to find out? |
| 19:42.43 | beardy | ratschnowski: uname -a |
| 19:42.45 | saloxin | ratschnowski: i've seen php exploits that come with kernelroot exploits to do that. |
| 19:42.56 | beardy | ratschnowski: Has the machine been updated with security updates? |
| 19:43.02 | solaris00 | pacman: Thanks you, my printer really works with magicfilter... |
| 19:43.08 | ratschnowski | beardy: 2.6.10-5-386 |
| 19:43.10 | remadmin | Does anyone know how to exclude broadcast related traffic using 'tethereal' ? |
| 19:43.19 | beardy | ratschnowski: On woody? |
| 19:43.22 | baz | ratschnowski: wtf, and it was running woody? |
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| 19:43.26 | SpamHog | jimjam: I went NUTS for small typos in interfaces! also, ifup -a is called at boot as well, if u get it to work now, it will work then too |
| 19:43.30 | pacman | how about "tethereal not broadcast" |
| 19:43.32 | ratschnowski | i also think its an php thing |
| 19:43.39 | baz | ratschnowski: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:44.02 | saloxin | ratschnowski: go paranoid mode - disable php for now ;-) |
| 19:44.04 | ratschnowski | baz: 3.1 |
| 19:44.16 | beardy | ratschnowski: That's sarge. /msg dpkg sarge |
| 19:44.24 | ratschnowski | ups |
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| 19:44.46 | Masonary | guys, how doyou turn off the console beep? I know its simple, but cant remember |
| 19:45.02 | cahoot | Masonary: man setterm |
| 19:45.11 | saloxin | Masonary: in X11 it's - xset b off |
| 19:45.26 | saloxin | ah console .. |
| 19:45.28 | Masonary | im not using X saloxin. cahoot, thanks |
| 19:45.36 | beardy | !shell beep |
| 19:45.36 | dpkg | it has been said that shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style) - also man setterm. |
| 19:45.42 | elirips | how can i check what application is blocking my harddisk, so i cannot unmount it (device is busy)? |
| 19:45.50 | pacman | I still say... I'd rather use a terminal that can't show the letter "m" than one that can't produce an audible alert |
| 19:46.04 | saloxin | elirips: lsof | grep device |
| 19:46.10 | Masonary | elirips, fuser |
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| 19:48.01 | elirips | thanks people. |
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| 19:49.22 | Reilithion | hey, are there any languages that you have the option of running in script form or compiling so it'll run faster/better? |
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| 19:50.30 | asuffield | Reilithion: C |
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| 19:50.54 | beardy | Reilithion: It will not run that much faster, and not do anything better/different, but python does that. |
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| 19:51.10 | Reilithion | I thought C was basically compile-only |
| 19:51.21 | Reilithion | beardy, cool |
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| 19:52.09 | IRCMonk271828y | Please forgive me if I'm missing a FAQ - just installing debian for the first time and I can't connect to ethernet. I get NETDEV WATCHDOG: etho: transmit timed out and also eth0:link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1. Physical connection ok on dual boot to windows. Ideas? |
| 19:52.34 | SpamHog | beardy: perl? |
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| 19:52.56 | beardy | SpamHog: Does it? |
| 19:53.05 | pacman | perl does have perlcc, but you're not gaining speed. You're just combining the perl interpreter and the perl script together in a single blob. |
| 19:53.16 | hramrach | Hello |
| 19:53.21 | qalim | IRCMonk271828y, wahts is the ouput of ifconfig eth0 |
| 19:53.30 | hramrach | How do I set time using ntp? |
| 19:53.41 | beardy | !ntp |
| 19:53.41 | dpkg | hmm... ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 19:53.42 | nite613 | hramrach: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 19:54.57 | hramrach | thanks, instaling ntpdate started xscreensaver so it apparently works :) |
| 19:55.17 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: can't cut and paste! Starts link encap:Ethernet HWaddr [...] inet addr:192.168.0.101 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 etc. |
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| 19:56.09 | qalim | IRCMonk271828y, you are not in graphical mode ? |
| 19:56.15 | IRCMonk271828y | nope |
| 19:56.48 | IRCMonk271828y | (I'm connected to IRC from another machine if that's your thought.) |
| 19:56.56 | qalim | do u see any RX TX packets transimtted |
| 19:57.12 | qalim | in ifconfig eth0 ? |
| 19:57.24 | IRCMonk271828y | Both counts are 0 - so no |
| 19:57.31 | RichiH | where's the dpkg entry on upgrading from xfree86 to xorg, again? |
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| 19:58.02 | beardy | !get xorg |
| 19:58.02 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 19:58.08 | hramrach | ntpd somehow refuses to adjust the date when the offset is minutes. Even more for days .. |
| 19:58.30 | psycose | hi, does anyone know great doc about replacing motherboard burst capacitors ? thanks |
| 19:58.34 | RichiH | beardy: that i knew.. :p |
| 19:58.46 | beardy | RichiH: Why ask then? |
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| 19:59.34 | RichiH | beardy: i thought there was sth more about it |
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| 19:59.46 | qalim | IRCMonk271828y, what is your network card ? |
| 19:59.49 | streuner | RichiH: /listkeys xorg? |
| 19:59.53 | fbi | hramrach: if your clock is skewing that bad, you should probably replace the battery anyway |
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| 20:00.03 | bauerbob | hi |
| 20:00.04 | RichiH | streuner: touche |
| 20:00.06 | streuner | RichiH: using the bot, of course |
| 20:00.06 | hramrach | psycose: I'd recommend replacing the whole board. I think it is not worth the trouble. |
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| 20:00.22 | RichiH | streuner: do tell :p |
| 20:00.41 | scx | hello :) |
| 20:00.47 | streuner | RichiH: well, i just upgraded and that was it |
| 20:00.53 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC, which seems to have been recognized by the installer, according to the boot messages. |
| 20:00.55 | jim | stello! |
| 20:01.21 | fbi | jello! |
| 20:01.22 | fbi | invasion of the three-letter nicks |
| 20:01.22 | jim | yes, I was getting to that :P |
| 20:01.22 | qalim | I have this at home too :-) |
| 20:01.23 | streuner | RichiH: no big magic |
| 20:01.23 | qalim | http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2004/09/msg00074.html |
| 20:01.29 | qalim | have a look at this thread |
| 20:01.31 | hramrach | fbi: I did not use the computer for months. If it continues skewing I will look into it :) |
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| 20:02.06 | bauerbob | problem: though i've loaded the tun module, there's no tun device |
| 20:02.18 | bauerbob | there's a /dev/net/tun |
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| 20:02.21 | qalim | bauerbob, |
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| 20:02.22 | bauerbob | but nothing in ifconfig |
| 20:02.25 | hramrach | I will probably replace the keyboard if I can get one so I will get to the batteries anyway |
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| 20:02.28 | qalim | you have to create them by hand |
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| 20:02.35 | jim | bauerbob: try ifconfig eth0 |
| 20:02.36 | bauerbob | how that? |
| 20:02.38 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: I went there already, but don't have tulip-* on my system to follow the approach there. |
| 20:02.45 | pureone | bauerbob trying to get the tspc client working? |
| 20:02.52 | bauerbob | eth0 is there of course |
| 20:03.03 | bauerbob | tspc? no - openvpn server |
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| 20:03.37 | qalim | IRCMonk271828y, the name of your diver is rlt8139 I think |
| 20:03.42 | zerver_the_death | hi. Im trying to install the sude packet and i get Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/sgml-data_2.0.3_all.deb ... |
| 20:03.42 | zerver_the_death | debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed. Any suggestions? |
| 20:03.46 | pureone | ah never mind,tspc is a ipv6 tunnel client |
| 20:04.21 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: or rtl8139 |
| 20:04.35 | pacman | 8139too is the newer one |
| 20:04.41 | beardy | zerver_the_death: A package named sude does not exist. |
| 20:04.41 | Achilles557 | How do I access another computer using ssh? |
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| 20:04.51 | qalim | IRCMonyes reaplce where appropriate "tulip" by this |
| 20:04.53 | amphi | Achilles557: ssh user@box |
| 20:04.54 | jim | ssh another.computer |
| 20:04.56 | LSorense | qalim: omre likely 8139too |
| 20:04.56 | Reilithion | SpamHog, this is a nice page. uber thanks |
| 20:05.02 | beardy | Achilles557: ssh some.host.foo |
| 20:05.14 | beardy | Achilles557: man ssh |
| 20:05.14 | jim | or ssh 12.34.56.7 |
| 20:05.16 | pacman | damn, there are large sections of the net that I can't reach... |
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| 20:05.22 | qalim | bauerbob, I use openvpn too |
| 20:05.23 | jim | yes, man ssh too |
| 20:05.32 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: lsmod | grep 8139 shows 8139too - does that help? |
| 20:05.33 | qalim | the tun/tap devices are created by openvpnm itself |
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| 20:06.37 | zerver_the_death | beardy, Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/sudo_1.6.8p9-3_i386.deb ... |
| 20:06.37 | zerver_the_death | debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed. |
| 20:06.37 | zerver_the_death | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/sudo_1.6.8p9-3_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 20:06.37 | zerver_the_death | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.38 | zerver_the_death | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 20:06.51 | qalim | lol |
| 20:06.54 | zerver_the_death | sorry |
| 20:06.54 | jim | rafb.net/paste |
| 20:06.56 | tereais | hi all |
| 20:06.58 | jim | :P |
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| 20:07.27 | Achilles557 | The problem with man's is that they do not put examples there. So, what is user@box? |
| 20:07.31 | qalim | IRCMonk271828y, try rmmod "8139bla" |
| 20:07.46 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: will do... |
| 20:07.51 | qalim | them modprobe "8139bla" "full_duplex=1" |
| 20:07.51 | abrotman | zerver_the_death: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 20:07.52 | fbi | Achilles557: login@hostname |
| 20:08.04 | abrotman | zerver_the_death: err .. no - |
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| 20:08.10 | nvz | Achilles557: you are so full of shit your eyes are probably turning brown |
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| 20:08.31 | tereais | can anyone help me out with a locales issue? i've run reconfigure on locales and i'm still getting the same cannot set message |
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| 20:08.49 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: rmmod says "device or resource busy" (obviously not busy receiving or transmitting though - grrr) |
| 20:08.49 | Achilles557 | nvz go to hell |
| 20:08.56 | beardy | Achilles557: user@box is username@hostname |
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| 20:09.10 | qalim | dodi ifconfig eth0 down before |
| 20:09.17 | qalim | dodi=do |
| 20:09.31 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: of course, hold on... |
| 20:09.34 | beardy | Achilles557: i e foo@bar.abox.net |
| 20:09.41 | nvz | Achilles557: that won't make your bullshit declaration any more true |
| 20:09.58 | jim | Achilles557: you seem to be just starting out... so initially you won't understand man pages... I see this over and over again... you just have to practice in two ways: reading man pages and trying to piece together a solution, or take a solution you're given and look at the man page piecing together the docs that tell you what every part of the solution means |
| 20:09.59 | pacman | ssh is a drop-in replacement for rsh. So rsh syntax works too: ssh hostname -l username |
| 20:10.08 | abrotman | it is what? |
| 20:10.22 | abrotman | i'd hardly call it a dropin .. |
| 20:10.23 | fbi | ahomosayswhat? |
| 20:10.26 | fbi | what? |
| 20:10.27 | beardy | Achilles557: Listen to what jim said. |
| 20:10.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i agree |
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| 20:10.46 | pacman | abrotman, it just has all the same command line options by coincidence? |
| 20:10.57 | tarzeau | pacman: but it's not a replacement |
| 20:11.00 | abrotman | jim: Damn it Jim.. you have to admit that some man pages just suck |
| 20:11.04 | jim | it won't be that easy at first; one thing you could do is find a tutorial for unix |
| 20:11.05 | tarzeau | pacman: rsh does have its uses. still |
| 20:11.09 | abrotman | pacman: they don't perform the same operation |
| 20:11.16 | abrotman | NIMO anyways |
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| 20:11.22 | jim | you jimed me twice in one post! |
| 20:11.23 | tarzeau | pacman: rsh is way faster than ssh |
| 20:11.26 | beardy | abrotman: Then more peaceing together is needed. |
| 20:11.37 | jim | abrotman: it's not for lack of access to fix them... |
| 20:11.40 | abrotman | jim: doh .. please let the larting begin |
| 20:11.46 | nvz | gnome apps usually have shitty manpages |
| 20:11.51 | abrotman | they have man pages? |
| 20:11.54 | Achilles557 | Thanks beardy and jim. But the op should kick nvz away. He is too rude! |
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| 20:12.07 | nvz | graphical DE apps think that man pages are insignificant |
| 20:12.09 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: took eth0 down, did the rmmod, did the modprobe, then brought eth0 back up. No difference as far as I can tell. |
| 20:12.16 | beardy | Achilles557: Use /ignore user if someone is bothering you. |
| 20:12.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: having a bad one, is really more like not having one |
| 20:12.26 | nvz | Achilles557: you are rude for asserting your ignorance on everyone |
| 20:12.27 | tarzeau | a bad one, will just make you lose more time |
| 20:12.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: we should form the debian man page team! |
| 20:12.36 | jim | Achilles557: the only thing is he could be right... I'd have to scroolback to find out; too lazy |
| 20:12.45 | fas3r_ | have you got the last error with apt-get distupgrade with the packet xlibmesa-gl ? |
| 20:12.45 | Kappac | Hi all |
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| 20:12.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: that destroys bad manual pages and info pages too? |
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| 20:12.52 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: actually I lied - I don't see an IP address on ifconfig eth0 now |
| 20:12.53 | qalim | IRCMonk271828y, post on #flood |
| 20:12.55 | stew | abrotman: http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html |
| 20:12.57 | nvz | I've been here for 5 years if they were gonna kick me out they would have done it years ago. |
| 20:13.00 | qalim | the contents of dmesg | tail |
| 20:13.06 | abrotman | Achilles557: actually .. nvz is right .. many man pages do have examples |
| 20:13.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'd rather just remove gnome :) |
| 20:13.16 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: ok - thanks for your ideas! |
| 20:13.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: other manpages are shitty |
| 20:13.27 | Kappac | ëÔÏ-ÎÉÔØ ÐÏ-ÒÕÓÓËÉ ÇÏ×ÏÒÉÔ? |
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| 20:13.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've seen nice ones (now speaking manual pages, not only in debian) |
| 20:13.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: let's write man pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:13.40 | bnoji | So it's not in our budget for a backup device. |
| 20:13.46 | qalim | the best man pages I have found so far are on slaris and netbsd |
| 20:13.47 | beardy | abrotman: Have you got a better way of getting information than the manpages/infopages? |
| 20:13.55 | jim | the most common question we get about individual command lines is "what's the syntax" and "give example" |
| 20:13.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: for which software? |
| 20:14.06 | bnoji | I was asked to come up with a solution using what we have around the office. |
| 20:14.06 | pacman | try LANG=clueless_newbie man ssh |
| 20:14.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not the manpages cabal? team sounds so friendly, other people might want to join and write manpages too... |
| 20:14.21 | nvz | pacman: if only it were that easy |
| 20:14.42 | jim | the syntax question is usually answered pretty well at the top of man pages... examples, that is, admittedly, another matter |
| 20:14.51 | pacman | that would be the way to organize it if you were writing an alternate set of man pages with only the most common options listed, and lots of examples |
| 20:15.13 | beardy | Examples are usually given, if at all, near the bottom. |
| 20:15.22 | qalim | I think each man pages should have a sort of examples sections |
| 20:15.22 | pacman | LANG=en_US.latin1.clueless_newbie |
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| 20:15.35 | beardy | qalim: Those that need do. |
| 20:15.44 | Achilles557 | So, thanks nvz! One day I will be as good as u r. But, I will respect people, even if they do not know much! |
| 20:15.45 | nvz | man pages are displayed commly with a pager of choice, all the information is there, you can search if needed they also gave you apropos |
| 20:15.46 | Nrg_ | hi |
| 20:15.48 | jim | but overall, man pages are reference works, and it's not a bad idea to LEARN the SKILL of reading and understanding the various sections of man pages, especially the synopsis section where they give syntax |
| 20:15.50 | tarzeau | beardy: some don't |
| 20:15.53 | beardy | qalim: Perhaps more than those that have, do too though. |
| 20:16.03 | Nrg_ | does anyone know when 2.6.13 kernel will be packaged for unstable? |
| 20:16.11 | beardy | tarzeau: true |
| 20:16.13 | jim | siyh |
| 20:16.20 | tarzeau | Nrg_: no |
| 20:16.20 | stew | Nrg_: /msg dpkg wir |
| 20:16.25 | nvz | not knowing something and aserting absolute B.S. as truth are two different things |
| 20:16.31 | stew | jim: you think he's going to be able to help? :) |
| 20:16.37 | stew | !2.6.13 |
| 20:16.38 | dpkg | 2.6.13 is, like, ask me about 2.6 or read this thread <http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/09/msg00217.html> to find out why it isn't available yet |
| 20:16.40 | beardy | Achilles557: The best thing is just to drop it. |
| 20:16.42 | jim | I dunno :) |
| 20:16.46 | nvz | you cant comment on what manpages do and dont have if you don't know. |
| 20:16.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: you've ever written a manual page? |
| 20:16.50 | jim | ok, either siyh or liyh :) |
| 20:16.55 | Nrg_ | thanks |
| 20:16.56 | nvz | thats not knowing. not saying B.S. |
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| 20:17.14 | cmatheson | any kids in here familiar w/ mailfilter? |
| 20:17.27 | valdyn_ | !tell cmatheson -about ask |
| 20:17.36 | valdyn_ | !tell cmatheson -about smart questions |
| 20:17.38 | beardy | cmatheson: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 20:17.42 | beardy | heh.. |
| 20:17.50 | jim | !anyone |
| 20:17.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:18.04 | beardy | !w/ |
| 20:18.04 | dpkg | somebody said w/ was with. See w/o (without) |
| 20:18.10 | jim | yeah! be a sicco! |
| 20:18.15 | valdyn_ | cmatheson: kids will help you in #gentoo, just not w/ debian ;) |
| 20:18.16 | pacman | about 10% of the man pages in my /usr/share/man/man1 have an EXAMPLES section |
| 20:18.30 | cmatheson | valdyn_: haha ok |
| 20:18.37 | tarzeau | pacman: that's not making sure the exmaples are actually useful or complet |
| 20:18.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: no . can't be that hard |
| 20:18.55 | nvz | Kawfee and Beta3 dont hang our here anymore. tarzeau is the closest thing to a kid we got :P heh |
| 20:19.02 | nvz | oh and Phated |
| 20:19.05 | tarzeau | nvz: shut the fuck up |
| 20:19.06 | tereais | if anyone has a second to look at my locales issue here's the pastebin :: http://pastebin.com/385450 |
| 20:19.10 | tarzeau | nvz: where did kawfee go? |
| 20:19.12 | abrotman | beardy: yeah .. i slap keys til shit works |
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| 20:19.20 | nvz | tarzeau: who knows. |
| 20:19.22 | jim | !sicco |
| 20:19.23 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 20:19.23 | abrotman | nvz: beta3 certainly does |
| 20:19.23 | cmatheson | so i'm trying to use mailfilter w/ courier and a bunch of virtual accounts (primarily found in sql tables), how can i have individual mailfilter setup for various accounts though when there is no real home directory |
| 20:19.27 | tarzeau | !seen kawfee |
| 20:19.28 | dpkg | kawfee <~kawfee@CPE-24-166-190-59.kc.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 348d 4h 6m 41s ago, saying: 'helix: silence'. |
| 20:19.29 | nvz | abrotman: I havent seen him |
| 20:19.30 | abrotman | nvz: he got a new name |
| 20:19.40 | beardy | abrotman: :) and it's working nicely so far? |
| 20:19.45 | Achilles557 | Nvz. Everyone is ignorant about something. For example: can u speak spanish? Socrato said: I know that I do not know! |
| 20:19.45 | valdyn_ | tereais: you did run dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 20:19.48 | abrotman | beardy: i'm gainfully employed :) |
| 20:19.50 | nvz | abrotman: oh. he's not beta version anymore. |
| 20:19.54 | abrotman | nvz: dan2 |
| 20:20.02 | tereais | i already ran it a few times and still nothing |
| 20:20.12 | jim | cmatheson: what form would an "individual mailfilter setup" take? |
| 20:20.16 | fas3r_ | have you got the last error with apt-get distupgrade with the packet xlibmesa-gl where it dont find the files ./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2? |
| 20:20.25 | jim | I'm thinking, store it in a table keyed by user |
| 20:20.32 | nvz | actually I can speak spanish. but english is my first language so I dont make ignorant assumptions about spanish people and their culture and language |
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| 20:20.45 | tarzeau | nvz: what's good night in spanish? |
| 20:20.46 | nvz | abrotman: ah. |
| 20:20.50 | badjok | #charme |
| 20:20.57 | jim | guten tag? |
| 20:20.58 | nvz | tarzeau: buenas noches |
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| 20:21.12 | fbi | bonus nachos! |
| 20:21.15 | nvz | heh |
| 20:21.18 | tarzeau | nvz: and good morning? i wish you a sunny day |
| 20:21.21 | cmatheson | jim: well, i mean how can each user have their own filters set up... for example i would like to filter out the various mailing lists i'm on, etc. the folks in sales would want to filter out various customers, how can i set this up? |
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| 20:21.29 | scx | buenos dias |
| 20:21.32 | Somazx | when I run dpkg-buildpackage - what all is happening? |
| 20:21.33 | nvz | tarzeau: that doesnt even make sense to me. |
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| 20:21.45 | jim | cmatheson: but how would such a setup normally be stored? |
| 20:21.58 | beardy | !prize Somazx |
| 20:22.00 | nvz | wishing someone a sunny day sounds downright stupid. |
| 20:22.05 | cmatheson | jim: you would just have a ~/.mailfilter file |
| 20:22.08 | Somazx | checks for security patches, configure, builds it? |
| 20:22.15 | nvz | unless maybe they are a farmer or something |
| 20:22.40 | tarzeau | nvz: they are |
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| 20:23.14 | beardy | Somazx: If you don't want to learn by doing, read the docs. |
| 20:23.16 | jim | what if you store what would be the content of that file in a varchar column of a table.. |
| 20:23.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: let's write man pages! |
| 20:23.43 | valdyn_ | tereais: which locale do you actually want to use? |
| 20:23.49 | jim | you'd have also user id and sequence id in case a varchar is not sufficient to store the whole content |
| 20:23.50 | qalim | beardy, what a good answer |
| 20:23.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes to which binaries? |
| 20:24.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: and you didn't answer me wheter you ever wrote one |
| 20:24.09 | beardy | qalim: Do you think so, or trying to get me pissed? |
| 20:24.12 | tereais | valdyn_: english |
| 20:24.12 | qalim | should put that in a fortune |
| 20:24.20 | qalim | now I ' m serious |
| 20:24.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: no way ... never in my life .. sounds like fun to me :)_ |
| 20:24.36 | qalim | I agree the question was rather stupid |
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| 20:24.42 | beardy | qalim: then thanks :) |
| 20:24.43 | jim | learn by doing is probably the most effective tho |
| 20:24.45 | abrotman | and i odn't know which binaries yet .. gotta read the list |
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| 20:24.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's really funny |
| 20:24.58 | qalim | waht will happen when I typemake install ? :-) |
| 20:25.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: can i give you one binary a day, and you'll return me the manual page for it the other day? |
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| 20:25.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: what is funny ? |
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| 20:25.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: writing manual pages |
| 20:25.23 | jim | qalim: make will locate a makefile in the dir where you're in |
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| 20:25.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm sure you'll love it. let's start tonight |
| 20:25.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: only if you promise me a @debian.org email addy :) |
| 20:25.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: not tonight |
| 20:25.36 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 20:25.36 | dpkg | buckabeer is probably time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 20:25.49 | peterS | writing manual pages is sometimes fun, sometimes not. depends on how much research into the source code you have to do to understand the functionality so you can document it |
| 20:26.02 | Somazx | beardy, see my msgs |
| 20:26.09 | tereais | valdyn_:i've tried reconfiguring a few different times and i haven't had any luck |
| 20:26.16 | jim | qalim: if it doesn't find one, error. otherwise it looks for target named "install"... if not found, error... otherwise it "brings that target up to date" |
| 20:26.17 | pacman | I like to write the man page before I write the program... gives me a set of goals to aim for |
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| 20:26.38 | abrotman | peterS: research ? |
| 20:26.42 | beardy | Somazx: I don't see any, and I don't want to, please ask here in the channel. |
| 20:26.52 | valdyn_ | tereais: 'export LC_ALL=en_US", then run some program that didnt 'work' |
| 20:26.56 | Somazx | beardy, you fucktard |
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| 20:27.12 | beardy | Somazx: That was uncalled for. Why do you say that? |
| 20:27.20 | Somazx | beardy, maybe you need to read you irc client docs? |
| 20:27.22 | peterS | abrotman: right, sometimes it's obvious what a program does and what features it has, so you just have to look at 'foo --help' output and you can write a coherent manpage from that. sometimes, though, you have to read README files in the source, and look at source code itself, in order to figure out what all the features are and how to use them |
| 20:27.23 | fbi | Somazx: you can't msg anyone anyway, you're not even registered. |
| 20:27.30 | carbon60 | Uhm, does this tcpdump filter have a typo? |
| 20:27.31 | carbon60 | 'host 10.100.0.32 || host 10.100.0.41' |
| 20:27.35 | fbi | think before you spout of stupid shit. |
| 20:27.36 | tereais | valdyn_: i'll give it a try |
| 20:27.39 | fbi | s/of/off/ |
| 20:27.43 | jim | Somazx: read /topic... message BOTS, DO NOT msg PEOPLE |
| 20:27.43 | pacman | carbon60, I've always used "or", not "||" |
| 20:27.44 | nvz | Somazx: don't be a hypocrite. you are the fucktard not obeying the channel topic |
| 20:27.47 | beardy | !ops Somazx is rude and annoying without reason |
| 20:27.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Somazx is rude and annoying without reason |
| 20:27.54 | qalim | jim, thanks |
| 20:27.56 | jim | unless you ASK first |
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| 20:28.04 | abrotman | peterS: research ? |
| 20:28.07 | LoRez | beardy: they always have some stupid reason. |
| 20:28.10 | carbon60 | pacman: Even 'or' gives me a syntax error. |
| 20:28.16 | Somazx | I feel beardy response was rude and largely useless |
| 20:28.18 | valdyn_ | tereais: your locale environment variables seems to be fucked, i know nothing about variables in there containing 2 entries seperated by ':' |
| 20:28.25 | Somazx | so that is my reaction to idiots |
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| 20:28.36 | LoRez | Somazx: that's no reason to call him a fucktard. |
| 20:28.37 | pacman | tcpdump host 10.100.0.32 or host 10.100.0.41 # no syntax error for me |
| 20:28.40 | beardy | Somazx: Hold on, I'll check what you asked and what I said. |
| 20:28.50 | IRCMonk271828y | qalim: thanks for your help - I've got more to go on now. I appreciate it! :-) |
| 20:28.58 | peterS | abrotman: research meaning reading the code and figuring out what it does when you invoke it certain ways, and what all the options are for |
| 20:29.01 | abrotman | peterS: research ? |
| 20:29.03 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:29.05 | RichiH | streuner: did you have xfree86 installed when installing xorg? apt-get seems to think i need to remove x-window-system-core and about everything else Xish along with xserver-xfree86.. |
| 20:29.07 | Somazx | anyway, big help in here |
| 20:29.07 | tereais | valdyn_: that seemed to work but do i need to set that everytime that i startup? in a script? |
| 20:29.08 | Somazx | thanks |
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| 20:29.12 | RichiH | which is.. strange |
| 20:29.13 | peterS | abrotman: yes, research |
| 20:29.15 | jim | qalim: finally the makefile provides instructions as to how to go about "bring the install target up to date" which is -traditionally- copying files to specific locations so they can be used, bringing each of those files up to date if they're not already |
| 20:29.17 | abrotman | peterS: i know .. i thought there was a help2man or something |
| 20:29.20 | laszlo_ | hi, there is a channel exists for developers where they can talk about how they really hates the IT? |
| 20:29.23 | abrotman | which at least gave a reasonalbe looking man page |
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| 20:29.33 | peterS | abrotman: there is, but it's only as useful as the 'foo --help' output. sometimes that's useful, sometimes it isn't |
| 20:29.37 | beardy | And the idiot leaves? |
| 20:29.38 | abrotman | and i think that list of binaries with no man page is out of date |
| 20:29.40 | valdyn_ | tereais: no, you should not need to do that. but you must have edited something like /etc/environment by hand, did you? |
| 20:29.46 | peterS | pacman: an old favorite quote: "ay back at the beginning of time around 1970 the first man page was handed down from on high. Every one since is an edited copy. Just like sendmail configurations." - John Hasler |
| 20:29.47 | abrotman | peterS: i know |
| 20:29.49 | nvz | laszlo_: heh. thats not really in the interest of Freenode, but I am sure one exists somewhere. |
| 20:29.54 | abrotman | beardy: yes |
| 20:29.55 | beardy | I said "< beardy> Somazx: If you don't want to learn by doing, read the docs." Now, what the fuck is wrong with that? |
| 20:29.58 | RichiH | abrotman, peterS: ideas? |
| 20:30.01 | ircops | hey what program plays streaming asx files ? |
| 20:30.03 | jim | qalim: so make and makefiles are all about "bringing things up to date" by comparing file timestamps |
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| 20:30.09 | nvz | laszlo_: its loosly a topic of discussion anywhere such people gather |
| 20:30.19 | tereais | caldyn_:not by hand only by running the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:30.21 | streuner | RichiH: yes |
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| 20:30.26 | beardy | He asked a vague question about dpkg-buildpackage, what it did. |
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| 20:30.38 | RichiH | streuner: yes what |
| 20:30.39 | pacman | I think I could write a man page without a copy to edit... maybe I'd have to take a few tries at the order of args to .TH |
| 20:30.47 | nvz | beardy: he doesnt know how to participate in this channel, and he left rightfully so. |
| 20:30.50 | abrotman | !blame canada |
| 20:30.52 | abrotman | no |
| 20:30.55 | streuner | RichiH: i had xfree86 installed before, but x-window-system-(core) should install xorg in unstable and testing |
| 20:30.56 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 20:30.56 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 20:30.57 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 20:31.06 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:31.10 | peterS | pacman: I suppose once you've written a few, you get to that point. I'm not at that point. I still can't decide between the bsd macros and the traditional macros |
| 20:31.24 | valdyn_ | tereais: ok, edit /etc/environment by hand, change LANG="en_US:en_GB:en" to LANG="en_US" |
| 20:31.29 | peterS | the bsd ones known as 'mandoc', I believe they are |
| 20:31.43 | tereais | valdyn_: k |
| 20:31.53 | pacman | -mdoc is the BSD macros; -mandoc auto-detects which one is needed and switches to eiterh -man or -mdoc |
| 20:31.54 | nvz | thing that bugs me about canada is the "Royal Canadian Mounted Police" that just sounds wrong. surely they dont ride around horseback. |
| 20:31.54 | jim | mandoc is a roff macro collection |
| 20:32.05 | streuner | RichiH: so i guess x-window-system-(core) is the old one then... |
| 20:32.07 | Xenguy | .oO(wow, where did that ethnocentric shit come from anyway?) |
| 20:32.09 | RichiH | streuner: it does not on this sid box with fresh apt-get update.. lemme poke at p.d.o |
| 20:32.11 | thingfish | but I bet they did back when they were founded. |
| 20:32.14 | peterS | ahhh |
| 20:32.23 | abrotman | Xenguy: ? |
| 20:32.26 | peterS | well, I like -mdoc anyway |
| 20:32.28 | jim | nvz: many times they do... some areas are still rough land |
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| 20:32.37 | RichiH | streuner: i just upgraded x-window-system (i thought that would upgrade to xorg, too (as it did, earlier)) |
| 20:32.37 | Xenguy | abrotman: you got one of those for every country? (Yer from Amerika as I recall?) |
| 20:32.43 | pacman | those I don't get. |
| 20:32.48 | abrotman | Xenguy: no .. it's a song .. in a movie .. really i'm not joking |
| 20:32.55 | concept10 | is apache2.conf the same as httpd.conf on apache 1.3.x? |
| 20:32.58 | nvz | jim: they dont have the greatest climate for riding horses I don't figure. being that far north |
| 20:33.01 | Xenguy | abrotman: it sounds familiar |
| 20:33.05 | streuner | RichiH: apt-cache search xorg and install every package you see there |
| 20:33.07 | abrotman | Xenguy: moment .. i'll find the link |
| 20:33.27 | pacman | there's a really great moment of revelation when you're writing your first man page and you realize that the [[ ]] and { } commands in vi are actually meant for roff editing |
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| 20:33.33 | jim | that could be true in many areas... canada does go pretty far north |
| 20:33.35 | abrotman | Xenguy: http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=lp2wqrGCgl&EAN=75678319921&ITM=1 |
| 20:33.42 | tereais | valdyn_: do i need to reboot to have that take effect? |
| 20:33.51 | valdyn_ | tereais: no, just relogin |
| 20:34.00 | tereais | k |
| 20:34.04 | valdyn_ | tereais: or type "su - <username>" in a shell |
| 20:34.08 | tereais | k |
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| 20:34.22 | valdyn_ | tereais: ( will have effect just in that shell naturally ) |
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| 20:34.33 | abrotman | Xenguy: feel better? |
| 20:34.34 | Xenguy | abrotman: heh, Geddy Lee has one called 'O Canada' too |
| 20:34.48 | cheal | nvz: hehe. RCMP rules! |
| 20:34.54 | abrotman | Xenguy: i wasn't actually cutting on canada .. but pseubodo1 had it coming to him |
| 20:35.02 | Xenguy | abrotman: it makes more sense understanding the source (kinda like FOSS actually :-) |
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| 20:35.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: is one like this good enough links2@packages.debian.org ? |
| 20:35.24 | abrotman | pseubodo1: i still love you .. even though you're canadian |
| 20:35.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. abrotman@debian :) |
| 20:35.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: i could give you abrotman@packages.debian.org maybe |
| 20:36.01 | abrotman | no way! .. abrotman@debian.org .. |
| 20:36.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: forget it |
| 20:36.07 | abrotman | i'll send them tons of man pages :) |
| 20:36.09 | Xenguy | .oO(s'ok, I don't hate all amurikans either :p ) |
| 20:36.19 | fido_ | abrotman: botsnack ;) |
| 20:36.31 | fas3r_ | it's the bugtrack http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327641;msg=2 |
| 20:36.35 | abrotman | fido_: aw gee, thanks |
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| 20:36.54 | jim | I want to try kaazaa... can I do it in linux? |
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| 20:37.10 | nvz | Xenguy: just the ones from the Philadelphia area? |
| 20:37.19 | abrotman | jim: gtk-gnutella |
| 20:37.20 | shingouz_ | dammit... |
| 20:37.24 | Xenguy | jim: maybe gtk-gnutella is worth a try? |
| 20:37.29 | abrotman | nvz: hey! |
| 20:37.31 | nvz | heh |
| 20:37.36 | Xenguy | nvz: heheh |
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| 20:37.43 | jim | I'm already running limewire, which is a gnutella client? |
| 20:37.50 | abrotman | peterS: do you now how to get the coordinates of DDs ? |
| 20:37.51 | jim | is kazaa the same net? |
| 20:37.52 | peterS | tarzeau: maybe pkg-abrotman@lists.alioth.debian.org? |
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| 20:38.01 | abrotman | peterS: i can be a package!!!!!!!! |
| 20:38.20 | peterS | abrotman: if you're a debian developer, some sort of location info is present in the LDAP database. I don't know the particulars |
| 20:38.38 | jim | abrotman: you can only be a package if you have nowhow! |
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| 20:38.38 | abrotman | peterS: there's a DD about 5 miles from my apt .. i have no idea who it is |
| 20:38.38 | peterS | abrotman: you need a developer account to access that portion of http://db.debian.org though |
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| 20:38.45 | abrotman | peterS: ah ok |
| 20:38.51 | abrotman | peterS: they won't let me in |
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| 20:39.09 | nvz | abrotman: without a fight... |
| 20:39.14 | peterS | sure they will, after you complete the several months worth of requirements involved in the New Maintainer process |
| 20:39.23 | peterS | well, plus several months of dead wait time |
| 20:39.32 | Rawplayer | window 1 |
| 20:39.43 | peterS | the requirements actually comprise a couple of weeks, but there's lots of waiting in between stages |
| 20:39.48 | bauerbob | sorry, but i need some help with my tun problem |
| 20:39.57 | concept10 | What apache2 config file do I add Virtual Hosts info? |
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| 20:40.04 | laszlo_ | So, i have a debian sid in a chrooted environment, my problem is my MC don't have a running console. (when i press ^o i have no shell), that's becouse my /dev dosnt has some devices related to console, but i don't remember the names of :/ I had the same problem when i installed a debian testing on an UML environment. |
| 20:40.05 | Rawplayer | thanks :p |
| 20:40.09 | RichiH | streuner: sth is seriously broken.. if i do that, it won't try to uninstall everything. but it will tell me xlibbs is needed in version 6.8.2 while 4.3.0 will be installed. apt-get install xlibs tells me it's current, apt-cache lists the 6ish, dpkg -l lists the 4ish.. |
| 20:40.12 | shingouz | ah. now it feels better, this nick is a lot more me... |
| 20:40.13 | jim | you can tun a guitar, but you can't tunafish! |
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| 20:40.23 | bauerbob | according to the tun FAQ, the ifconfig device "tun0" should be there as soon as i load the module |
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| 20:40.28 | bauerbob | but it's not the case |
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| 20:40.35 | laszlo_ | I have some problems with ncurses too over putty |
| 20:40.44 | nvz | jim: my cats do it all the time. |
| 20:40.52 | qalim | bauerbob, I dont' think so |
| 20:40.52 | laszlo_ | the $TERM is xterm btw.. |
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| 20:40.53 | pacman | bauerbob, sounds like a mistake in the tun FAQ. you have to create a tunnel |
| 20:40.56 | nvz | I can't stand the smell of it myself |
| 20:41.06 | bauerbob | but how? |
| 20:41.08 | nvz | I just realized today I dont like the smell of ham either. |
| 20:41.10 | jim | white tuna packed in water isn't too bad |
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| 20:41.35 | pacman | bauerbob, with some tunneling software. I used to use vtund |
| 20:41.46 | jim | I know a guy who plays with isaac hayes |
| 20:41.55 | tereais | valdyn_: it worked thankyou, i don't know how my locales got messed up like that it was strange |
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| 20:42.08 | nvz | who the hell is Isaac Hayes |
| 20:42.18 | jim | he wrote theme from shaft |
| 20:42.18 | peterS | I recently came across the rather obvious observation (which I still hadn't noticed until then) that 'tuna fish' is redundant |
| 20:42.27 | abrotman | peterS: for some it's mroe than a few months |
| 20:42.31 | pacman | Isaac Hayes is _the_ deep-voice guy now that Barry White is dead |
| 20:42.46 | bauerbob | pacman: i use openvpn - but also openvpn does not create tun0, it only activates it (up) |
| 20:42.50 | concept10 | Isaac Hayes is brilliant |
| 20:42.54 | bauerbob | ...at least under gentoo |
| 20:43.03 | peterS | abrotman: yes, it can be. often the long time intervals are the fault of the candidate, though |
| 20:43.03 | qalim | bauerbob, |
| 20:43.03 | abrotman | peterS: for some people i know .. it's two years or more |
| 20:43.06 | qalim | do openvpn --mktun --dev tun0 |
| 20:43.11 | qalim | then ifconfig -a |
| 20:43.16 | nvz | you mean the guy on the blockbuster commercials :P |
| 20:43.17 | abrotman | peterS: i'm not so sure it's the fault of the candidate |
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| 20:43.25 | pacman | nvz, no that's just the buttery-voice guy |
| 20:43.25 | peterS | sometimes it is, sometimes it probably isn't |
| 20:43.40 | fry | Can anyone suggest me a ftpd? |
| 20:43.47 | abrotman | proftpd/vsftpd |
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| 20:43.52 | Masonary | proftpd fry |
| 20:43.53 | usn_router | vsftpd |
| 20:43.56 | fry | will take a look at it, thanks a lot :) |
| 20:43.57 | nvz | strange |
| 20:44.02 | fry | -it+them |
| 20:44.03 | bauerbob | uhm...ok. thank you. but wait a sec, i think then there's a problem in the openvpn package |
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| 20:44.26 | jim | one day I was watching american talk show with Letterman, and Hayes was performing that tune, and there was the guy I know |
| 20:44.37 | bauerbob | your command returned me this line: "Thu Oct 6 22:41:49 2005 TUN/TAP device tun0 opened" |
| 20:44.39 | abrotman | jim: he was alive? |
| 20:44.39 | jim | one of three kbd players |
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| 20:44.43 | pacman | nvz, he's the voice of Chef from South Park if that helps. (does this connect to the O Canada/Blame Canada stuff earlier?) |
| 20:44.48 | abrotman | i thought jim was like 87 or something |
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| 20:44.52 | Masonary | guys, ive configured eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, so its going to come up at boot. But how do I get the default route (gateway) to also comeup at boot? |
| 20:44.54 | jim | me? |
| 20:44.57 | jim | 87? |
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| 20:45.01 | abrotman | the other jim |
| 20:45.01 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:45.01 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:45.01 | concept10 | Why is Apache2.conf different on debian than other distros? |
| 20:45.10 | qalim | brainball, |
| 20:45.14 | nvz | pacman: hmm. the guy with the salty chocolate balls? |
| 20:45.15 | abrotman | concept10: because .. the packager made it so |
| 20:45.16 | jim | there IS no other jim! :P |
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| 20:45.22 | cheal | when Ian Jackson will be a DD, I'll agree the front desk is effective |
| 20:45.23 | pacman | nvz, that's him. he sings that |
| 20:45.28 | qalim | now can you please type ifconfig -a and see the tun device ? |
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| 20:45.35 | fry | hmpf, wrong button |
| 20:45.43 | nvz | pacman: /o put em in your mouth ... /o |
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| 20:45.47 | karsten | Anyone know how/if I can get tora talking to mysql on a remote server? |
| 20:45.58 | bauerbob | qalim: yes, yes, it is there, but please wait a sec, though |
| 20:45.58 | concept10 | abrotman, Im trying to understand something simple... What is the main conf on apache2 that is analogous to 1.3.xx ?? |
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| 20:46.00 | jim | what's a tora |
| 20:46.04 | qalim | who is tora ? |
| 20:46.13 | usn_router | tora tora tora :) |
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| 20:46.18 | karsten | jim: apt-cache show tora |
| 20:46.34 | qalim | I guess if you put them in the same room with a bottle of wine ... |
| 20:46.35 | bauerbob | qalim: this is what the openvpn tells me in the logs: "Oct 6 21:57:24 eclipse ovpn-server[31750]: TUN/TAP device opened" |
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| 20:46.47 | bauerbob | qalim: note the 2 blanks after device |
| 20:46.47 | karsten | jim: ... it's a database admin tool. |
| 20:46.49 | pacman | bauerbob, are you looking with ifconfig -a? |
| 20:46.55 | jim | one would think that given you're asking for help that you would provide a summary :P |
| 20:46.59 | bauerbob | pacman: yes |
| 20:47.00 | jim | ok, so you did... |
| 20:47.21 | jim | is it for any db? or just mysql? |
| 20:47.26 | abrotman | concept10: /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf .. i think |
| 20:47.28 | bauerbob | it seems that the device's name is missing when openvpn tries to create tun0 |
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| 20:47.42 | bauerbob | what do you think? |
| 20:47.43 | qalim | brainball, |
| 20:47.46 | concept10 | abrotman, thanks |
| 20:47.49 | abrotman | karsten: i thouhgt it only worked with pgsql and oracle |
| 20:47.51 | bauerbob | :-) |
| 20:48.00 | pacman | what is the appropriate bug severity level for "package does not work at all on any big-endian arch"? |
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| 20:48.03 | qalim | PLEASE type ifconfig -a | grep tun |
| 20:48.06 | karsten | abrotman: It claims to talk to mysql directly on p.d.o. |
| 20:48.11 | qalim | and tell me what you see |
| 20:48.13 | karsten | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/tora |
| 20:48.29 | bauerbob | tun0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 30-00-30-61-30-30-00-32-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 20:48.30 | abrotman | why does the list of missing man pages start at 'l' ? |
| 20:48.35 | jim | pacman: I would guess you'd file against the arch, saying "package doesn't work" |
| 20:48.57 | abrotman | karsten: ok .. and you installed the stupid mt-mysql ? |
| 20:49.05 | pacman | jim, file against the arch? it's not their fault they're big-endian :) |
| 20:49.05 | qalim | ok so you see indeed this interface is cretaed by openvpnm and not by ifconfig |
| 20:49.13 | jim | except I haven't seen a way to do that |
| 20:49.18 | peterS | pacman: I think 'important' |
| 20:49.24 | bauerbob | no |
| 20:49.27 | peterS | pacman: though it could be 'grave' |
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| 20:49.45 | bauerbob | qalim: this is the interface that was created with the command you gave me and NOT by openvpn |
| 20:49.48 | jim | pacman: well, true. but if you want to do it like that, then you might contact them to ask their advice on how to fix |
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| 20:50.07 | jim | rather than file a bug, or -maybe- in addition to. |
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| 20:50.30 | groucho | Can anyone give me a bit of help about using MySQL on Debian? |
| 20:50.34 | abrotman | ask! |
| 20:50.39 | abrotman | ask nicely! |
| 20:50.42 | qalim | bauerbob, openvpn -mkcreate is indeed a command from opnvpn ;-) |
| 20:50.45 | jim | ask away! |
| 20:50.48 | pacman | and if the package is already fixed upstream for big-endian... |
| 20:50.50 | tarzeau | read the manual page |
| 20:50.57 | abrotman | we love you .. you love us .. we're a happy community |
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| 20:51.00 | jim | ask anything except to ask! |
| 20:51.09 | peterS | pacman: same bug but note that fact |
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| 20:51.18 | dogmeat | Kool-Aid |
| 20:51.26 | bauerbob | qalim: yes, sure it is from the package, but what i mean is /etc/init.d/openvpn start |
| 20:51.43 | jim | wullie bullie! |
| 20:51.43 | bauerbob | there openvpn tries to create some tun device but doesn't provide a name |
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| 20:52.12 | abrotman | groucho: you're not asking! |
| 20:52.16 | groucho | OK-- I've installed MySQL on Debian Sarge. It didn't create the 'debian-sys-maint' user. I've tried to create the user, and when I do, I can't log in as that user. What do I have to grant the 'debian-sys-maint' user to get it to work right? |
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| 20:52.25 | dogmeat | i have a 192.168.x.x internal IP address, and have been trying to get X going on my desktop. ive tried ssh -X but the packets do not get forwarded correctly. any idea how to get it to work? |
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| 20:52.51 | MickMcMack | Aloha, could someone perchance tell me where Java gets installed to? >_>; |
| 20:52.56 | jim | dogmeat: let's start with X itself |
| 20:52.57 | mo1991 | does anyone know where Ican find a recent version of the wlan-ng source in a .deb file? |
| 20:52.58 | qalim | bauerbob, I use openvpn with tap device |
| 20:53.02 | tarzeau | dogmeat: you've setup sshd_config right? |
| 20:53.09 | tarzeau | dogmeat: forward enabled? |
| 20:53.19 | dogmeat | tarzeau: checking... |
| 20:53.27 | bauerbob | qalim: hmm...there's still something wrong |
| 20:53.36 | bauerbob | Starting virtual private network daemon:SIOCSIFDSTADDR: No such device |
| 20:53.40 | bauerbob | 10.0.0.1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 20:53.58 | jim | dogmeat: what do you mean by "...have been trying to get X going..."? |
| 20:54.05 | askance | mickmcmack: not on my linux system, but have you tried running updatedb, then locate java or locate jre |
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| 20:54.16 | abrotman | groucho: afaik .. it shuld be allowed via the usual "anyone from localhots can use mysql" stupidity |
| 20:54.18 | karsten | abrotman: Not afaik ... |
| 20:54.23 | qalim | bauerbob, waht kernel and architecture are you using ? |
| 20:54.36 | abrotman | karsten: ? |
| 20:54.42 | jim | MickMcMack: did you already do the make-jpkg thing? |
| 20:54.42 | karsten | abrotman: "mt-mysql"? 13:48 < abrotman> karsten: ok .. and you installed the stupid mt-mysql ? |
| 20:54.49 | bauerbob | qalim: default kernel on sparc64 |
| 20:54.53 | dogmeat | jim: i am running cygwin xinit locally, and been trying to get gnome-wm working from my remote debian server |
| 20:54.55 | MickMcMack | jim, come again? O_o |
| 20:55.00 | bauerbob | ...default SARGE kernel |
| 20:55.02 | karsten | abrotman: magtape mysql? |
| 20:55.08 | dogmeat | jim: it worked OK when i was within the same subnet |
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| 20:55.10 | qalim | bauernbob 2.6 or 2.4 ? |
| 20:55.15 | bauerbob | 2.6 |
| 20:55.28 | abrotman | karsten: apparently that is needed .. it's called libqt-mt-mysql or some stupid crap |
| 20:55.33 | jim | MickMcMack: ok, start from the beginning... have you already tried to install java? |
| 20:55.33 | qalim | ok |
| 20:55.35 | lancelot | good night everybody! |
| 20:55.40 | abrotman | !depends tora |
| 20:55.46 | dpkg | tora: depends on libqt3-mt-psql | libqt3-mt-odbc | libqt3-mt-mysql, kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.4), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 20:55.46 | MickMcMack | jim, java is installed. |
| 20:55.47 | qalim | can I msg you privately ? |
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| 20:55.52 | MickMcMack | Using apt-get. |
| 20:55.56 | bauerbob | sure, qalim |
| 20:56.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: smores!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:56.22 | groucho | abrotman: well, I did "grant *.* to user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' identified by 'foo', but when I try to log in, it wont allow it. |
| 20:56.29 | karsten | abrotman: libqt3-mt-mysql - MySQL database driver for Qt3 (Threaded) |
| 20:56.39 | jim | MickMcMack: apt-get? there are no legal packages for java, so any you can get would have the provider of the package liable to sun or whoever |
| 20:57.03 | abrotman | karsten: yay |
| 20:57.09 | jim | well I guess there is a gnu compiler for java |
| 20:57.11 | karsten | abrotman: More problematic than that even. Public-facing production server, can't open ports. |
| 20:57.13 | abrotman | groucho: any decent error messages ? |
| 20:57.16 | lancelot | i need just two information.the first: is there any way of changing the boot messages' fonts? the second:i installed 855resolution deb package and after the settings i update-rc.d with the 855resolution, but the resolution i need does not run,why? |
| 20:57.19 | MickMcMack | I'm downloading the latest Sun version now. |
| 20:57.20 | abrotman | karsten: oh .. well .. then you're fucked |
| 20:57.22 | karsten | abrotman: ... I'm trying to get a database schema, working on that ... |
| 20:57.24 | askance | mick: you installed java with apt-get, or make-javapkg? |
| 20:57.31 | MickMcMack | apt-get |
| 20:57.34 | jim | MickMcMack: a .bin? |
| 20:57.36 | groucho | abrotman: none, just access denied |
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| 20:58.02 | MickMcMack | jim, yep. |
| 20:58.13 | abrotman | groucho: in the mysql log ? |
| 20:58.19 | abrotman | see .. and people say mysql is easy to setup |
| 20:58.24 | groucho | abrotman: nothing |
| 20:58.36 | jim | MickMcMack: are you downloading a .bin or are you using apt-get? |
| 20:59.02 | abrotman | groucho: you might want to ask #mysql .. or attempt to reintall mysql |
| 20:59.06 | jim | (these are mutually exclusive :P ) |
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| 20:59.15 | MickMcMack | I have attempted the apt-get method, which works - but gives me java1.2 with no appletviewer, so I have removed and purged that version and am currently downloading the .bin from Sun. |
| 20:59.27 | jim | ahh, ok |
| 20:59.28 | abrotman | !tell MickMcMack about install java |
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| 20:59.48 | abrotman | like O^O run time :) |
| 20:59.52 | jim | MickMcMack: could you tell the file name? also, apt-get install java-package as root |
| 20:59.53 | lancelot | anyone read me? |
| 20:59.53 | MickMcMack | It PM'd me it. |
| 20:59.54 | askance | mick: when you build/install using the make-javapkg and sun java source, it installs java in /usr/bin, |
| 21:00.03 | lancelot | :-( |
| 21:00.05 | groucho | abrotman: thanks, I'll try #mysql |
| 21:00.13 | WiFiTux | where did I add another folder to my path? |
| 21:00.22 | abrotman | groucho: i'm not a big fan of mysql . but i figure something like that should be simple |
| 21:00.27 | MickMcMack | jim, the filename of the .bin I'm downloading? |
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| 21:00.31 | jim | yes |
| 21:00.37 | sandman | ndiswrapper crashes for me constantly |
| 21:00.38 | MickMcMack | Certainly. |
| 21:00.41 | beardy | Look what that moron msg:ed to me.. after he registered. http://channels.debian.net/paste/858 |
| 21:00.43 | askance | mick: it puts plugs in /usr/lib/....... |
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| 21:00.50 | sandman | Pretty much whenever I remove the PC card I have, the entire system locks up. |
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| 21:00.56 | MickMcMack | jdk-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin |
| 21:01.01 | MickMcMack | askance, thanks. :) |
| 21:01.10 | abrotman | beardy: i suppose you could tell #freenode .. but i doubt it owuld do any good |
| 21:01.14 | jim | MickMcMack: ok, apt-get install java-package |
| 21:01.23 | MickMcMack | Yessir. o> |
| 21:01.24 | lancelot | why noone answers me?:-( |
| 21:01.25 | beardy | abrotman: /ignore is probably the best. |
| 21:01.44 | MickMcMack | Done. |
| 21:01.51 | abrotman | beardy: dunno .. he was pretty abusive .. i'd at least save it .. in case he returns here |
| 21:01.53 | Bazz | i have two versions of cdrdao, 1.1.5 finds my drive (usb, shows up as 5,0,0) buit 1.2.0 doesn't. same command (scanbus) but only one shows anything. any ideas? |
| 21:01.56 | tarzeau | lancelot: nobody can read your mind |
| 21:02.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: he asked a quesstion |
| 21:02.11 | askance | mick: after apt-get java-package, you'll need to get the source from sun, untar it, and run the java-package prog |
| 21:02.14 | cheal | lancelot: do "the settings" include X setup? |
| 21:02.21 | abrotman | askance: not quite |
| 21:02.36 | beardy | abrotman: I'll tess #freenode then. I usually try not to be offended easily, but that one went too far I think. |
| 21:02.37 | abrotman | MickMcMack: get the .bin from sun .. then run make-jpkg on it .. |
| 21:02.39 | beardy | tell |
| 21:02.41 | tarzeau | lancelot: x86 textmode or fb? |
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| 21:02.49 | lancelot | thanks a lot cheal for your answering |
| 21:02.51 | MickMcMack | abrotman, the download just finished, sec.. |
| 21:03.04 | abrotman | beardy: like i said .. keep it .. if he does again .. maybe one of the ops will take your side .. he went so far as to register just to harrass you |
| 21:03.05 | lancelot | yeah, cheal, obviously |
| 21:03.08 | dogmeat | tarzeau: cool, i set forward enabled in my sshd_config, now it works OK. Thanks |
| 21:03.10 | thecoolestcow | yeah... my comcast DNS server went down, anyone got another i can use? |
| 21:03.19 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: reset your router/modem |
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| 21:03.30 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: did you know by the way .. comcast DNS sucks! |
| 21:03.33 | thecoolestcow | abrotman: no, the comcast DNS server went down |
| 21:03.43 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: oh lovely .. can't wait to get home :) |
| 21:03.59 | thecoolestcow | abrotman: yeah. that's why i need a new DNS number for now. |
| 21:04.02 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: you've missed my prior rants about comcast and their ability to keep dns going |
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| 21:04.13 | thecoolestcow | heh yeah |
| 21:04.13 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: do you know which you were using ? |
| 21:04.14 | tarzeau | thecoolestcow: run your own? |
| 21:04.17 | MickMcMack | Inflating. <o/ |
| 21:04.18 | hackeron | sandman: lol, and just days ago you told me how stable it is :) |
| 21:04.21 | thecoolestcow | tarzeau: dono how |
| 21:04.21 | lancelot | "the settings" include /etc/X11/defaults/855resolution setting,/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 setting |
| 21:04.26 | thecoolestcow | abrotman: uhh lemme check |
| 21:04.29 | tarzeau | thecoolestcow: learn it? |
| 21:04.33 | jim | MickMcMack: the idea now is you should use the tool in java-package to create a .deb |
| 21:04.40 | jim | then install that package |
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| 21:04.55 | Norbert | the new Flash won't display text in some fields |
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| 21:05.08 | abrotman | new flash? |
| 21:05.09 | Norbert | oh, wrong channel, nm |
| 21:05.15 | MickMcMack | abrotman MickMcMack: get the .bin from sun .. then run make-jpkg on it .. <<< Is that the same thing as what you said, jim? -_-;;; |
| 21:05.17 | abrotman | you sure? |
| 21:05.23 | thecoolestcow | ifconfig doesnt tell you the DNS? |
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| 21:05.35 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: no .. |
| 21:05.35 | tarzeau | thecoolestcow: no |
| 21:05.38 | jim | MickMcMack: right, the result of doing that will be a .deb file |
| 21:05.38 | WiFiTux | where did I add another folder to my path? $PATH |
| 21:05.41 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:05.50 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: yes |
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| 21:06.14 | thecoolestcow | abrotman: 68.39.224.5 |
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| 21:06.39 | MickMcMack | Aye, got it, and I'm installing the deb now. |
| 21:06.39 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: does your whois work ? .. i've used the ones for comcast.com before :) |
| 21:06.42 | ma3x | why my sources does not include skype? |
| 21:06.47 | kierd | I'm a newbie with iptables. My route has two interfaces eth0, eth1. eth1 is my local network and eth0 is inet. So i want my local network to connect to the internet via my router. I'm tried to configure Iptable. iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.1.4 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -d 192.168.1.4 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -j DROP |
| 21:06.49 | abrotman | i figure .. they won't let the suits be without intarweb |
| 21:06.49 | ma3x | when i search for skype i can't find it |
| 21:06.52 | RichiH | ma3x: because skyp is non-free |
| 21:06.53 | thecoolestcow | abrotman: ?? |
| 21:06.54 | kierd | but it isn't work |
| 21:06.55 | ma3x | is there no official skype package/ |
| 21:06.55 | abrotman | kierd: #iptables |
| 21:06.55 | MickMcMack | It seems to have worked with no errors. |
| 21:06.56 | streuner | ma3x: /msg dpkg skype |
| 21:06.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: no |
| 21:07.00 | abrotman | RichiH: gizmo! |
| 21:07.03 | ma3x | i do have the non-free line |
| 21:07.06 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.06 | RichiH | ma3x: get your skype from skype.com |
| 21:07.06 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.15 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: those are for comcast.com |
| 21:07.18 | lancelot | c'è qualche italiano/a in questo canale? |
| 21:07.19 | pacman | good set of nameservers to remember: 4.2.2.1 4.2.2.2 4.2.2.3 |
| 21:07.21 | abrotman | !it |
| 21:07.21 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 21:07.22 | thecoolestcow | abrotman: wait a sec... one of these DNSes work i think |
| 21:07.27 | RichiH | ma3x: debian is not allowed to distribute skype, though |
| 21:07.31 | streuner | ma3x: skype doesn't support free source |
| 21:07.32 | ma3x | RichiH, ok |
| 21:07.34 | abrotman | RichiH: gizmo! |
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| 21:07.51 | askance | mick: also, read the README.Debian file -- it'll remind you to reference "man make-jpkg" which will fill you in on all the details |
| 21:07.52 | tarzeau | ma3x: non-free is not for every junk |
| 21:07.54 | Norbert | yeah, the latest flash for Linux is bugged |
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| 21:07.59 | RichiH | abrotman: fo shizzle ma nizzle |
| 21:07.59 | abrotman | !gizmo |
| 21:07.59 | MickMcMack | Zomg, many thanks at abrotman and askance. <3 |
| 21:07.59 | dpkg | methinks gizmo is http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .. A VoIP project |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | RichiH: keep your nipple in germany! |
| 21:08.12 | thecoolestcow | abrotman: seems as though 68.87.64.196 works |
| 21:08.12 | abrotman | MickMcMack: no problem |
| 21:08.16 | Norbert | try to enter text at the "character information" screen, here: http://uploads.ungrounded.net/66000/66766_ganguro.swf |
| 21:08.16 | RichiH | abrotman: it's long, though |
| 21:08.19 | RichiH | very long.. |
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| 21:08.21 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: but I mean, for good. Where do I add /sbin to my user? |
| 21:08.22 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: yeah .. sounds about right .. one up . one down |
| 21:08.30 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: you don't |
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| 21:08.34 | RichiH | abrotman: that comes of the pinching and sucking |
| 21:08.40 | abrotman | RichiH: must be .. don't let nvz spy on you .. he has a thing about boobs and windows |
| 21:08.43 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: the user should do it themself |
| 21:08.47 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: depends on their $SHELL |
| 21:08.49 | thecoolestcow | abrotman: sweet, works now. |
| 21:08.54 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: yay .. carry on |
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| 21:09.15 | thecoolestcow | quit communication is overrated |
| 21:09.17 | thecoolestcow | argh |
| 21:09.21 | RichiH | heh |
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| 21:09.27 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: I am the user, not trying to use /sbin/command everytime. I want to add /sbin to my user for sure. |
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| 21:09.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've genocided 5 crisp breads |
| 21:09.33 | askance | anyone have some thoughts on running a firewall on a debian desktop? do I need one, do most people just edit iptables? |
| 21:09.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: good for you |
| 21:09.41 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: bash |
| 21:09.54 | abrotman | askance: most people just don't run unneeded services :) |
| 21:10.00 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: check ~/.bashrc ? |
| 21:10.06 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: :| |
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| 21:10.43 | tarzeau | askance: most people do as abrotman said |
| 21:10.47 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 21:10.47 | dpkg | well, harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 21:10.50 | tarzeau | and then read that |
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| 21:10.56 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: no |
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| 21:11.21 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: i've had it in there, the days i used bash |
| 21:11.21 | askance | abrotman: makes sense; just curious if the inherent permission system of linux provides a reasonable layer of security (as long as not surfing as root) |
| 21:11.51 | WiFiTux | thanks |
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| 21:11.57 | askance | dpkg; will reference hard-doc |
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| 21:12.02 | abrotman | askance: if you want to learn .. then do it |
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| 21:12.09 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 21:12.09 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:12.12 | abrotman | dpkg: speak |
| 21:12.12 | dpkg | ARFFFFFFFFFFFF |
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| 21:12.44 | simonrvn | askance: um, *nix file perms and ownership? beats the hell out of having everything r/w by anyone sitting the the kbd... |
| 21:12.45 | Estes | ... I must be missing the point or someone really had time to waste... running MySQL for windows in wine.... |
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| 21:13.07 | abrotman | Estes: running mysql is a waste :) |
| 21:13.17 | jim | I am blootbot, hear me bloooot |
| 21:13.21 | tarzeau | Estes: i've played dopewars.exe on linux until i found out there's a native version |
| 21:13.24 | askance | simon: I agree :). I'm a recent convert |
| 21:13.24 | abrotman | jim: u |
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| 21:13.39 | jim | blut? |
| 21:13.39 | Estes | abrotman, it sure is but still... |
| 21:13.42 | EdLin | !u |
| 21:13.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 21:13.46 | EdLin | ;-) |
| 21:13.49 | tarzeau | jim: ja! |
| 21:13.53 | Estes | tarzeau, it;s not as known as mysql... |
| 21:14.00 | abrotman | EdLin: you so missed the joke |
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| 21:14.01 | tarzeau | Estes: but way more important, for sure |
| 21:14.12 | jim | ar yue traying tue tel meh somthin? |
| 21:14.19 | Estes | :) |
| 21:14.26 | abrotman | jim: even an 87 year old can learn to talk like a tard :) |
| 21:14.30 | EdLin | abrotman: you missed mine - or did you note the "dammit Jim" |
| 21:14.42 | abrotman | so missed it |
| 21:14.47 | dogmeat | i set up x forwarding and ssh -x to my debian host, but when i run gnome-wm the diagnostics reports 'Window manager warning: Screen 0 on display "localhost:10.0" already has a window manager' |
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| 21:14.55 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 21:14.55 | dpkg | well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 21:15.06 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.15 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:15.20 | dogmeat | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:15.20 | scx | why ? |
| 21:15.25 | tarzeau | scx: #knoppix |
| 21:15.51 | pacman | hah! NFS'ing /dev probably won't do what you expect. You get the device numbers from the remote, but you don't get its drivers :) |
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| 21:15.54 | MickMcMack | Am I allowed another moron-question? :( |
| 21:15.58 | scx | Debian includes knoppix right ? |
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| 21:16.04 | tarzeau | scx: NO |
| 21:16.06 | mohkohn | I am getting one of the: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned and error code (1) |
| 21:16.07 | EdLin | !based on Debian |
| 21:16.07 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 21:16.11 | scx | Imean: knoppix is Debian based |
| 21:16.13 | tarzeau | MickMcMack: that just was the moron question |
| 21:16.21 | MickMcMack | xP |
| 21:16.22 | tarzeau | !debian based |
| 21:16.22 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
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| 21:16.45 | tarzeau | scx: but it's done not by debian |
| 21:16.51 | tarzeau | scx: so nobody in here cares. #knoppix |
| 21:16.54 | dogmeat | !menu |
| 21:16.54 | dpkg | from memory, menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 21:16.57 | MickMcMack | I am attempting to install the java3d. The install-readme says: |
| 21:16.59 | MickMcMack | To install this build, go to the "jre" directory within the jdk and unzip (or unjar) the zip file. For example, if your JDK is installed in /usr/java/j2sdk1.5.0, you would install this as follows: |
| 21:17.00 | dogmeat | !help |
| 21:17.00 | tarzeau | mohkohn: when doing what? |
| 21:17.12 | MickMcMack | But I cannot find the java/sdk/jre directory. |
| 21:17.18 | tarzeau | MickMcMack: did you install java? |
| 21:17.18 | abrotman | dogmeat: /msg dpkg help |
| 21:17.25 | mohkohn | As I am running unstable is the best thing to do to wait a day and dist-upgrade? |
| 21:17.26 | MickMcMack | tarzeau, yep. |
| 21:17.31 | otroean | Hi I'm trying to install azureus but can't find it in apt-get. only on debian.org... And debian.org says I'm missing dependencies.. |
| 21:17.33 | abrotman | MickMcMack: did you logout/in ? |
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| 21:17.44 | MickMcMack | abrotman, nope. x( |
| 21:17.45 | tarzeau | mohkohn: what package? |
| 21:17.45 | mohkohn | linux-image-2.6 is the culprit |
| 21:18.17 | tarzeau | mohkohn: yeah wait some days then -- i've never had so much patience... |
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| 21:18.23 | scx | ok.... the secret reason why I ask everithing in #debian: (You are the best) |
| 21:18.28 | abrotman | MickMcMack: you might have to reset your path and shit .. |
| 21:18.33 | kurtak | just to be sure, and i hope it's not too dumb of a question for this place. setuid bits are only relevant to programs and setgid are only relevant to programs and directories? |
| 21:18.35 | abrotman | well ..not go potty .. but you know |
| 21:18.39 | scx | (don't tell in other channels ) |
| 21:18.48 | abrotman | kurtak: no |
| 21:18.49 | mohkohn | I have tried the -f install stuff. |
| 21:18.51 | tarzeau | scx: then why don't you use debian? |
| 21:18.59 | scx | I do |
| 21:19.00 | tarzeau | scx: use debian, and you get debian help |
| 21:19.05 | tarzeau | scx: no, you use knoppix |
| 21:19.15 | scx | Debian, SuSE and Mac |
| 21:19.19 | ratschnowski | what was the command again to find out debian version and kernel version? |
| 21:19.22 | tarzeau | scx: no knoppix? |
| 21:19.34 | EdLin | scx: this channel is big enough without it supporting half of the world's distros. |
| 21:19.36 | tarzeau | ratschnowski: uname -a; cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:19.36 | pacman | uname -a;cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:19.39 | streuner | ratschonwski: cat /proc/version |
| 21:19.41 | pipeline | scx: The idea that he's trying to get across is that knoppix is not debian. |
| 21:19.49 | streuner | !debian version |
| 21:19.50 | dpkg | To determine which version of debian you are running cat /etc/debian_version, or check the version of some important packages such as libc6 (dpkg -l <package>) |
| 21:19.51 | ratschnowski | pacman: thx a lot |
| 21:19.51 | scx | tarzeau: I use Debian right now to chat |
| 21:19.59 | streuner | heh |
| 21:19.59 | scx | dot ? |
| 21:20.07 | streuner | dpkg, that's wrong° |
| 21:20.19 | ratschnowski | another question concerning apt, i am on sarge, is the following sources.list sufficiant? |
| 21:20.23 | ratschnowski | deb http://debian.n-ix.net/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 21:20.25 | ratschnowski | deb-src http://debian.n-ix.net/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 21:20.27 | ratschnowski | deb http://debian.n-ix.net/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 21:20.29 | ratschnowski | deb-src http://debian.n-ix.net/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 21:20.30 | ratschnowski | deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:20.34 | streuner | stop it |
| 21:20.45 | pacman | sarge/non-US is pretty barren. |
| 21:20.51 | streuner | ratschnowski: /topic |
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| 21:20.56 | tarzeau | ratschnowski: it's not an official mirror |
| 21:20.59 | EdLin | ratschnowski: Sarge has no non-US, see /topic |
| 21:21.11 | kurtak | abrotman: was i wrong about setuid or setgid or both? |
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| 21:21.32 | bucky | pacman, that's because it's all in main now /topic |
| 21:21.34 | streuner | !which version of debian |
| 21:21.34 | dpkg | to determine what version of debian you are on, run this command: apt-cache policy|awk '$1<2000{n=split($3,r,"/");if(n){print r[1];}}'|sort -u|tr "\n" ,;echo |
| 21:21.46 | pacman | bucky, I was just trying to be more subtle :) |
| 21:21.59 | MickMcMack | !tell MickMcMack about java3d |
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| 21:22.09 | MickMcMack | Pffft. x( |
| 21:22.55 | pacman | that awk|sort|tr is begging to be translated to perl. Does it work when you're in between the apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade of a new release? |
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| 21:23.15 | streuner | pacman: ask stew |
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| 21:23.27 | streuner | he should know better |
| 21:23.29 | stew | yeah that sucks |
| 21:23.45 | pacman | "what version I'm running" doesn't necessarily mean "what version apt wants to install right now" |
| 21:23.48 | stew | it was the best i could do at the time and it ended up being way longer than i expected it was going to turn out |
| 21:23.59 | SpamHog | where do I properly specify that kdm should run at boot? rc5.d? |
| 21:24.10 | SpamHog | /etc/rc5.d? |
| 21:24.13 | streuner | heh |
| 21:24.17 | peterS | SpamHog: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 21:24.28 | peterS | SpamHog: it'll ask if you want to use it by default, or something like that |
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| 21:24.30 | bucky | SpamHog, man update-rc.d or install rcconf |
| 21:24.39 | stew | pacman: yeah well the goal is to trip up the people saying, "i'm on sarge I swear", only to find out they have sid and experimental in their sources |
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| 21:25.01 | MickMcMack | That happened to me. :( |
| 21:25.08 | streuner | the easiest thing is to find out which version you are running over libc6 |
| 21:25.15 | jjazz | I just put a executable script called 'mutt' in /home/jjazz/bin, which is the first dir in my path. It is executable. Yet when I type 'mutt' at the commandline, I get the emai client instead of my script. Why would debian not run the first executable mutt in its path? |
| 21:25.22 | MickMcMack | I installed from a CD, about 8months old. -_- |
| 21:25.25 | streuner | but in these days unstable and testing running the same libc6 |
| 21:25.36 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 21:25.41 | streuner | !info libc6 unstable |
| 21:25.47 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-6 (sid), Packaged size: 4815 kB, Installed size: 16356 kB |
| 21:25.48 | peterS | jjazz: hash -r mutt |
| 21:25.49 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-6 (etch), Packaged size: 4815 kB, Installed size: 16356 kB |
| 21:25.51 | bucky | jjazz, home is not in your path try ./mutt |
| 21:26.02 | peterS | jjazz: or, to see what went wrong, just 'type mutt' |
| 21:26.19 | otroean | I'm having problems with my java. When I run java games.like funkytruck from teagames.com. It doesn't respond to the keyborad... |
| 21:26.33 | jjazz | peterS and bucky: Thanks for the leads. |
| 21:26.34 | streuner | so 'apt-cache policy libc6' should be enough too |
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| 21:26.55 | bucky | jjazz, your home directory is not in your path |
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| 21:27.27 | jjazz | bucky, hash mutt worked. man hash doesn't seem to be relevant to this command. What does it do? |
| 21:27.40 | bucky | what's a hash |
| 21:27.43 | peterS | jjazz: hash is a bash builtin to manage its caching of PATH elements |
| 21:27.44 | pacman | hash is a shell builtin. read your shell man page. |
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| 21:28.00 | jjazz | thank you |
| 21:28.05 | peterS | jjazz: for speed, each time you type a command it remembers where in the PATH that command was |
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| 21:28.31 | peterS | jjazz: thus when you add or remove things from your PATH, you occasionally have to 'hash -r' to tell bash to forget what it thinks it knows about that executable |
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| 21:28.41 | jjazz | peterS, ah. Ok. That makes sense. |
| 21:28.47 | bucky | jjazz, is there a reason you named your script the same name as a mail client? |
| 21:28.59 | pacman | PATH hashing is an anachronism, compared to the speed/memory efficiency of some other shell features, it should just do a full search on PATH for every command. |
| 21:29.23 | peterS | pacman: only insofar as path elements being on NFS is an anachronism |
| 21:29.30 | pacman | eek. |
| 21:29.38 | jjazz | bucky, there's some stuff I want done every time I run mutt. Basically, I'm lazy, and my .muttrc needs change based on certain conditions. The script adjusts muttrc as needed. |
| 21:29.45 | peterS | pacman: I refer to $HOME/bin, mainly |
| 21:29.45 | dr1v3r | anyone know how i could split a system so that any users folders can not be seen by others? |
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| 21:30.31 | kingsley__ | dr1v3r: man chmod. |
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| 21:31.33 | dr1v3r | man? |
| 21:31.42 | pacman | !gong |
| 21:31.44 | dr1v3r | i am still new to all this linux stuff sorry |
| 21:31.50 | dr1v3r | will have to be a lil more specific |
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| 21:31.51 | ed_ | im certain i've been hacked and that there are a number of processes running as root which i did not start. is there anything i can use to re-install debian base, i can see ls has been played with: $ ls -al |
| 21:31.52 | ed_ | -bash: /bin/ls: Text file busy |
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| 21:32.29 | pacman | ed_, time to boot from the install CD... if you want to see what's hogging /bin/ls, run "fuser /bin/ls" |
| 21:32.47 | ed_ | no output |
| 21:33.00 | pacman | fuser needs to be root of course... otherwise you only catch your own processes |
| 21:33.02 | kingsley__ | dr1v3r: "man" is short for "manual". It displays manuals for various useful commands, like the "chmod" command, for example. |
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| 21:33.21 | dr1v3r | tx man :( sorry |
| 21:33.21 | peterS | 'man transmission' |
| 21:33.23 | ed_ | pacman, second time this box has been exploited |
| 21:33.31 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: man is a command to look at groff-formatted text files, that have info on how to use commands that have manual pages (man is short for man) |
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| 21:34.07 | naoliv | How can I take a screenshot that includes the mouse pointer, please? |
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| 21:34.22 | simonrvn | (well, more like s/groff/*roff/, but you get the point) |
| 21:34.27 | tarzeau | naoliv: if you find out, tell me |
| 21:34.33 | dr1v3r | ohh i didnt know i type that into the actual system i thought it was a file i had to find on the net :( |
| 21:34.36 | peterS | naoliv: I'm not sure if you can, short of just using a digital camera |
| 21:34.39 | kingsley__ | naoliv: I think gimp's screenshots may include the mouse's pointer. |
| 21:34.40 | tarzeau | naoliv: afaik scrot,xwd,gimp don't take it |
| 21:35.00 | pacman | take an xwd of an Xnest window |
| 21:35.14 | pacman | (no guarantees, I haven't tried that) |
| 21:35.18 | peterS | pacman: now there's an idea |
| 21:35.26 | dr1v3r | so with this chmoc is it possible to lock users into their home dir so that they can not cd .. back ? |
| 21:35.28 | naoliv | I am wanting to include the mouse pointer because I have upgraded now to Xorg, but the mouse pointer is not OK. |
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| 21:35.52 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: with certain shells, you can even do 'man fo<tab>' and it'll list any man pages that start (or have 'fo' in their name) that you can see, and are installed on the system |
| 21:35.56 | pacman | does yoru mouse pointer look like a little square with bad TV reception? |
| 21:35.57 | kingsley__ | dr1v3r: Yes, type "man chmod" at the command line of the actual linux system. |
| 21:36.01 | tarzeau | naoliv: got a webcam/photocamera? |
| 21:36.11 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: chmod doesn't do chroots |
| 21:36.11 | naoliv | No cameras here :-( |
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| 21:36.20 | tarzeau | naoliv: paper and pen, scanner? |
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| 21:36.30 | abrotman | !beer sussudio_ |
| 21:37.24 | kingsley__ | dr1v3r: chmod is a usefull command, and its man page documents how to use it, but if you're new enough to linux, you may want to google for something like "linux permissions faq" |
| 21:37.31 | naoliv | tarzeau: I will try something here. If I faill I will try to draw it! :-) |
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| 21:37.51 | jjazz | naoliv, the mouse cursor should be a png file on your system. Maybe do locate mouse | grep png and see what files turn up. If one of those .png files is your mouse cursor, perhaps you don't need to screenshoot it (or you can gimp it into the screenshot) |
| 21:37.54 | pacman | if the problem is that your mouse pointer is being drawn by hardware and it's not working right, I'm afraid any solution that allows you to take a screenshot of it will alos be bypassing the mouse-pointer hardware support, thus eliminating the problem you're trying to document. It's a Heisenbug |
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| 21:37.55 | dr1v3r | chroots? |
| 21:37.58 | tarzeau | naoliv: do you know xvidcap ? it can take mouse cursor... |
| 21:38.09 | tarzeau | naoliv: but it's stuck in debian new queue |
| 21:38.13 | Galadhrim | anyone knows if there is an easy way to get mysqli for mysql-server-4.1? i am currently hacking it into the php4 deb so i can use php4 with mysql-4.1 |
| 21:38.16 | peterS | jjazz: unlikely to be the problem - see pacman's response |
| 21:38.27 | Galadhrim | mysqli for php4 i mean... |
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| 21:38.44 | naoliv | tarzeau: I never heard about xvidcap. I can compile it by myself. |
| 21:38.46 | swatikiss | how can i mount or view the contents of an .iso image? |
| 21:38.47 | peterS | naoliv: well, you can switch to Option "hwcursor" "no" or whatever it is called, in xorg.conf, to see if that fixes it |
| 21:38.53 | jjazz | abrotman, I won't gloat (at least not until my boys win 3 of 5). This off day is killing me. |
| 21:38.53 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: man chroot ;) |
| 21:38.55 | tarzeau | naoliv: yes you can, wait maybe i've got packages somewhere |
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| 21:39.01 | pacman | mount -o loop file.iso /mnt |
| 21:39.16 | naoliv | jjazz: The problem is that the mouse cursor worked fine when I was using Xfree86 and with Xorg it's not OK. It's the same cursor. |
| 21:39.17 | abrotman | jjazz: it's ok .. i knew the sox wouldn't make the world series .. i was just damn sure they'd make the playoffs |
| 21:39.24 | peterS | naoliv: documented in your video driver manpage, like 'man nv' for nvidia |
| 21:39.27 | dr1v3r | a bit of info would be nice though, sum ppl learn more off being informed that a load of test :D |
| 21:39.38 | jjazz | naoliv, yes, I suppose that's a different problem than the one I was focused on. |
| 21:39.50 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: might want to look at rutebook |
| 21:40.00 | simonrvn | @tell dr1v3r -about rutebook |
| 21:40.07 | amphi | swatikiss: mount -t iso9660 -oloop foo.iso /mnt/point |
| 21:40.37 | tarzeau | naoliv: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/xvidcap/ |
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| 21:40.38 | peterS | amphi: suggest -r or ',ro' to avoid the warning about it being read-only |
| 21:41.03 | dr1v3r | well that didnt make any sense to me what so ever |
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| 21:41.10 | tarzeau | naoliv: mind you this is cheap ass packaging |
| 21:41.15 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 21:41.23 | pacman | dr1v3r, you need to buy a book and quit using numbers for vowels. HTH HAND |
| 21:41.24 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: the bot just told you something i told it to tell you |
| 21:41.35 | naoliv | tarzeau: Thanks! |
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| 21:41.45 | amphi | peterS: mount doesn't give me such a warning here (sarge) |
| 21:41.49 | lgd_ | see you the project openeeg ? |
| 21:41.50 | jjazz | abrotman, I don't know which Sox I'd rather see NY face. Chicago is a better team, but Manny is so hot that the Ortiz/Manny combo is enough to turn games. |
| 21:41.58 | simy | is there an easy to follow walk through for exim4? because im completly lost, and i doubt anybodys gona hold my hand :( |
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| 21:42.05 | abrotman | jjazz: trust me .. you'd rather face the redsox |
| 21:42.12 | peterS | amphi: mount doesn't, but the kernel does. guess it depends on your kernel printk settings whether you see it in your virtual console or not |
| 21:42.15 | Zugschlus | simy: there is an excellent book by Philip Hazel |
| 21:42.24 | jjazz | abrotman, I suppose you're right. |
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| 21:42.29 | dr1v3r | where did i use a number for a vowel |
| 21:42.31 | Galadhrim | anyone knows if there is a site where i can get a mysqli package for php4? i want to use mysql-4.1 with php4 but debian doesnt have that package (yet). and using php5 is a risk i dont want to take atm. |
| 21:42.32 | simy | Zugschlus i was looking in the free direction :P im a little broke :( |
| 21:42.34 | simonrvn | @tell root_ -about root |
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| 21:42.57 | pacman | does the kernel complain about read-only fstype (iso9660)? I thought it was complaining about the _physical_ readonly limitations of a CD-ROM, which doesn't apply to a -o loop |
| 21:43.08 | amphi | peterS: nothing in syslog, but yeah, I do dmesg -n1 |
| 21:43.11 | abrotman | jjazz: think about all the injuries to the bosox .. and really evaluate that |
| 21:43.26 | syntaxx | im having this error dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/aalib1_1.4p5-22_i386.deb while apt-get install vlc how to fix this? |
| 21:43.33 | dr1v3r | another load of stuff to read, |
| 21:43.39 | streuner | syntaxx: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 21:43.41 | peterS | amphi: also that warning may have disappeared in the last few years since I last had to look at it (since I always use -r nowadays) |
| 21:43.43 | dr1v3r | dont matter al not bother with it |
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| 21:44.06 | florent | hello |
| 21:44.07 | dr1v3r | and that link has just locked up my system |
| 21:44.12 | simonrvn | dr1v3r: it'll do you some good to read. expand your vocabulary, expand your mind, that kind of good stuff |
| 21:44.13 | syntaxx | streuner ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone 8: 500 ftp://sunsite.ust.hk stable/main Packages |
| 21:44.14 | pacman | peterS, I think it only complains when the block device has no write method, not when the fstype has no write method |
| 21:44.23 | dr1v3r | well my ieexplorer |
| 21:44.24 | jjazz | abrotman, fair enough. Between injuries and guys just sucking, they're really a shambles in some respects (bet they wish they'd kept OCab now). |
| 21:44.30 | amphi | peterS: mount now shows 'type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop0)', so I agree the ro option is good |
| 21:44.38 | peterS | pacman: no, I'm pretty sure -o loop warned about being read-only |
| 21:44.45 | simy | abrotman : do you know of any good exim4 references? |
| 21:44.46 | abrotman | jjazz: not really .. renteria has a better bat .. but god damn .. the guy can't field |
| 21:44.49 | abrotman | !exim |
| 21:44.49 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 21:44.56 | abrotman | simy: nope .. ask #exim |
| 21:45.04 | florent | is there someone speaking/understanding Polish here ? |
| 21:45.09 | tarzeau | !pl |
| 21:45.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 21:45.18 | dr1v3r | reading doesnt help everyone sum ppl learn in diff ways, i am not the person that learns off books, i learn by either wtching or by given info and doing it |
| 21:45.23 | syntaxx | streuner: how to fix that? |
| 21:45.24 | abrotman | jjazz: i wsa more alluding to pitching being a mess .. and damon .. and ramirez .. |
| 21:45.27 | galorin | I've just got a working exim4 config, delivering mail into $HOME/Maildir. How can I provide imap access to it? |
| 21:45.29 | jjazz | abrotman, ah so |
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| 21:45.37 | stew | gotta love it, "including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security..." |
| 21:45.54 | amphi | dr1v3r: literacy is a great thing ;) |
| 21:45.55 | pacman | you can't learn everything over IRC. sometimes you need a book. sometimes you need a classroom. laziness can't change these facts |
| 21:46.05 | dr1v3r | yea bet it is |
| 21:46.11 | streuner | syntaxx: good question, iam confused :-) |
| 21:46.31 | abrotman | jjazz: look at the month of september http://sports.yahoo.com/mlbpa/players/5132/splits |
| 21:46.31 | syntaxx | streuner: yikes |
| 21:46.40 | florent | thanks tarzeau |
| 21:46.40 | abrotman | jjazz: lots of homers .. but nothing else much |
| 21:46.41 | dr1v3r | but if u get the general knowledge about summit it makes ita lot earier to understand a book |
| 21:46.42 | simonrvn | GTG. later people |
| 21:46.45 | streuner | syntaxx: because your libc6 version shouldn't be normally installed, because its stable |
| 21:47.07 | streuner | syntaxx: /j #flood |
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| 21:48.18 | dr1v3r | The page cannot be displayed on the link i was given in the pm |
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| 21:48.48 | jjazz | abrotman, True. His Oct. numbers are looking pretty good, though. Gotta love small sample sizes. |
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| 21:49.01 | abrotman | jjazz: yeah |
| 21:49.18 | romulo|afk | hi, im getting a opened|filtered state when nmapping a server, but when i ssh to the server i get no rules on iptables, theres no router also, what could be this? |
| 21:49.27 | rando_ | anyone want to check out my resume PDF |
| 21:49.32 | rando_ | with a ? |
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| 21:49.40 | ricky_clarkson | jjazz: What are youand abrotman talking about? |
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| 21:49.49 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: real sports :) |
| 21:50.01 | ricky_clarkson | Small sample sizes? |
| 21:50.12 | ricky_clarkson | I thought you meant music modules for a moment. |
| 21:50.21 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: for stats |
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| 21:50.28 | darkcmd | hi everyone? |
| 21:50.34 | darkcmd | oops I mean everyone. |
| 21:50.35 | ricky_clarkson | Hello? |
| 21:50.45 | ricky_clarkson | You are Australian? |
| 21:51.32 | jjazz | ricky_clarkson, In statistics, small samples sizes can give funny numbers. |
| 21:52.55 | ricky_clarkson | !random digit |
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| 21:53.16 | ricky_clarkson | !factinfo random digit |
| 21:53.16 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: there's no such factoid as random digit |
| 21:53.23 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. ;) |
| 21:53.27 | syntaxx | streuner: is there any other way? |
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| 21:53.41 | rando_ | so, noone's up for reviewing my resume? |
| 21:53.45 | rando_ | oh well. |
| 21:53.49 | streuner | syntaxx: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 21:54.30 | uince | do you know a window manger with zoom options?? |
| 21:55.03 | Gnea | uince: zoom? |
| 21:55.39 | uince | Gnea: yes.. i have seen it here : |
| 21:55.52 | uince | http://pywm.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 21:57.09 | uince | you zoom out the desktop so you can see the windows becoming small and you can zoom in on some of them... something like this |
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| 21:57.59 | uince | nothing? |
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| 21:58.06 | pacman | did you just answer your own question? |
| 21:58.29 | Gnea | uince: weird, never seen that before. i use e17 and flip around virtual desktops - it's easier that way and i don't have to worry about resizing anything |
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| 21:59.25 | pacman | maybe what you intended to ask is whether there is a pywm .deb package? |
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| 21:59.56 | Gnea | pacman: what he was asking is if there's another window manager that provides that specific feature |
| 22:00.12 | streuner | <dpkg> Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pywm' returned no results. |
| 22:00.21 | furbsd | is debian gentoo-based? |
| 22:00.22 | fbi | why not just install that one then? |
| 22:00.28 | RichiH | furbsd: .. |
| 22:00.31 | streuner | furbsd: hell no |
| 22:00.33 | Gnea | furbsd: do you want to get shot? |
| 22:00.40 | furbsd | i mean the other way |
| 22:00.45 | fbi | no, and no |
| 22:00.46 | RichiH | furbsd: neither |
| 22:00.47 | Gnea | heh |
| 22:00.48 | terje` | lol, figured these answers :p |
| 22:00.48 | furbsd | gentoo is debian based |
| 22:00.50 | Gnea | i was j/k |
| 22:01.03 | Gnea | furbsd: no, they're each their own separate base entities |
| 22:01.21 | Dasnipa` | where is the file to edit available resolution modes? |
| 22:01.36 | jjazz | Dasnipa`, /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:01.37 | streuner | dasnipa: xorg or xfree? |
| 22:01.39 | Gnea | furbsd: the only thing in common is they both use a linux kernel, and they're system V based, that's it |
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| 22:01.59 | furbsd | but ubuntu is debian based |
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| 22:02.05 | Gnea | so what |
| 22:02.06 | RichiH | furbsd: yes |
| 22:02.06 | Dasnipa` | xfree |
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| 22:02.11 | cheal | streuner: are you using xchat? |
| 22:02.13 | Gnea | gentoo is not debian |
| 22:02.16 | Gnea | and debian is not gentoo |
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| 22:02.19 | Gnea | simple as that. |
| 22:02.24 | streuner | cheal: good guess :-) |
| 22:02.25 | liran_ | hey guys |
| 22:02.35 | Gnea | furbsd: what makes you draw such an absurd conclusion? |
| 22:02.38 | cheal | streuner: hehe :/ |
| 22:02.39 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: But WAR is PEACE, FREEDOM is SLAVERY and KNOPPIX is SHITE. |
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| 22:02.46 | jjazz | Dasnipa`, then my answer won't help you. I forget what the name of the xfree86 conf file is. But it's in /etc/X11 |
| 22:02.54 | fbi | Dasnipa`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:02.58 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: and your MOM sucks DICK. |
| 22:03.01 | liran_ | has anyone got experience with acer laptops and linux? i'd like to purchase one but im not sure if they're hardware is well supported |
| 22:03.03 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: heh |
| 22:03.04 | Gnea | :) |
| 22:03.15 | fbi | jjazz: you probably shouldn't advise newbies to edit either of those files |
| 22:03.15 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: Calm down dear. |
| 22:03.18 | RichiH | liran_: linuxonlaptops.net |
| 22:03.27 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: who's not calm? |
| 22:03.32 | RichiH | Gnea: uncalled for |
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| 22:03.46 | Atula | hi |
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| 22:04.02 | Gnea | RichiH: careful. |
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| 22:04.17 | Atula | how do I sftp with a differnt port again... I thought it was sftp --port (or -p) hostname it has been a while |
| 22:04.18 | jjazz | fbi, you have a point, although, I must say if you are smart enough to make a backup, what's the worst that can go wrong? |
| 22:04.20 | Atula | thanks |
| 22:04.24 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: It's reasonably difficult to rattle me, especially because I have the power of /ignore. |
| 22:04.31 | RichiH | Gnea: ? |
| 22:04.32 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: same here. |
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| 22:04.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 22:04.48 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: RichiH is the only one that appears rattled |
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| 22:05.06 | fbi | jjazz: if you edit that file debconf will no longer explicitly handle it unless you fix it afterwards, which kind of 'defeats' the purpose of editing it to begin with. |
| 22:05.24 | jjazz | Atula, man sftp tells me -oPort=xx does what you're looking for. |
| 22:05.36 | ricky_clarkson | I agree with RichiH, because many people find 'your mom' jokes highly offensive. |
| 22:05.43 | Atula | jjazz maybe |
| 22:05.48 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: everyone agrees with me |
| 22:05.50 | jjazz | fbi, good point, and one I hadn't considered. |
| 22:06.02 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: That's because we've got brown noses. |
| 22:06.04 | Dasnipa` | thanks fbi |
| 22:06.10 | fbi | no problem |
| 22:06.12 | Gnea | it doesn't matter. |
| 22:06.14 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: indeedy |
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| 22:06.24 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Quitey. |
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| 22:06.51 | streuner | we should discuss this at slashdot or in philosophic debian discussion? ;-) |
| 22:07.06 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: ok, well if the joke is true, i don't see the reason why it would be offensive. if it was false, then ok i can understand then. but taking the joke that seriously is just plain wrong. |
| 22:07.10 | ricky_clarkson | Nein. |
| 22:07.17 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 22:07.26 | zaikxtox | hello. is there some way to get older debian releases? (potato, or slink) i have followed the debian web pages, but was not of any help |
| 22:07.40 | streuner | zaikxtox: hardly |
| 22:07.49 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: ratherly |
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| 22:08.01 | streuner | zaikxtox: my sarge server has 64 MB |
| 22:08.09 | kyon | indemnifiably |
| 22:08.16 | pacman | see archive.debian.org |
| 22:08.21 | zaikxtox | streuner: 64mb?? of ram? |
| 22:08.24 | streuner | zaikxtox: so why do you think you need an older version then? |
| 22:08.26 | streuner | yep |
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| 22:08.41 | zaikxtox | streuner: binary size. |
| 22:08.50 | zaikxtox | streuner: i'm trying to make a single floppy utility |
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| 22:08.54 | pacman | archive.debian.org has lots of old releases |
| 22:09.03 | streuner | zaikxtox: there are better solutions |
| 22:09.15 | zaikxtox | streuner: like uclib, of course |
| 22:09.26 | streuner | zaikxtox: just google for single floppy distro or such |
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| 22:10.26 | streuner | pacman: archive.d.o didn't work since the last event |
| 22:10.37 | zaikxtox | streuner: yes, i did, but i still have some problems with compiled programs. just ls -l /lib/libc-2.3.2.so |
| 22:11.01 | astronut | what's regexp for "rest of line?" |
| 22:11.04 | astronut | in other words foo* |
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| 22:11.20 | zaikxtox | well. anyway i will start from a chrooted woody... and play on that :) |
| 22:11.21 | zaikxtox | thanks |
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| 22:11.39 | pacman | surely _someone_ has an intact set of potato CDs... |
| 22:12.12 | astronut | pacman: should be on the arvhices |
| 22:12.31 | dr1v3r | guys i get inmvalid mode string on chmod -c go X home |
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| 22:12.42 | dr1v3r | i think thats right anyway |
| 22:12.46 | zinx | what's c? |
| 22:12.55 | dr1v3r | thats my understanding of it |
| 22:13.02 | dr1v3r | -c is change aint it |
| 22:13.06 | zinx | no |
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| 22:13.33 | dr1v3r | -c, --changes |
| 22:13.45 | dr1v3r | i thought thats wat it meant |
| 22:13.54 | zinx | what do you want to do with the group o mode? |
| 22:14.05 | zinx | :P |
| 22:14.15 | liable | hrm, not that hard to find.. http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 22:14.27 | dr1v3r | ere ab got this all wrong ere aint i |
| 22:14.29 | zinx | dr1v3r: i think you want go+x, i'll let you read the manpage some more to find out why |
| 22:15.08 | dr1v3r | my understanding of that what i have just read is thats the permisions i need to set |
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| 22:15.45 | zinx | dr1v3r: it's one argument, and you need to tell it if you want to add or remove |
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| 22:17.48 | cougar` | Okay, I forget how to update my latest linux system to all the latest builds, versions, etc. |
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| 22:18.24 | rando_ | isn't it like #apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:18.50 | rando_ | isn't it like #apt-get distupgrade |
| 22:18.51 | Guerin | man aptitude |
| 22:19.00 | Guerin | man apt-get |
| 22:19.02 | Guerin | don't guess |
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| 22:19.14 | cougar` | Can't remeber all these commands as I seldom use them :( |
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| 22:19.18 | mo1991 | what is a good startup file to put the remove system bell command? |
| 22:19.24 | mo1991 | cd /etc/init.d |
| 22:19.25 | mo1991 | ? |
| 22:19.33 | delire | anyone know why i have a /lib/ld-2.3.5.so *and* a /lib/tls/ld-2.3.5.so? the latter is not a symlink. |
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| 22:20.17 | Guerin | !bootmisc |
| 22:20.17 | dpkg | well, bootmisc is where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 22:20.36 | Guerin | mo1991: do this per-user, in bash profile or bashrc |
| 22:20.42 | dr1v3r | so let me get this right, only person i want to access the home folder is root, so modes would be .... other users in the |
| 22:20.42 | dr1v3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.50 | dr1v3r | g and o |
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| 22:20.52 | cougar` | apt-et update |
| 22:20.53 | dr1v3r | correct |
| 22:20.54 | cougar` | errrr |
| 22:21.03 | cougar` | apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:21.19 | dr1v3r | nope its only one command not 2 |
| 22:21.30 | fbi | cougar`: are you sure you want to run testing/unstable when you don't even know how to upgrade? |
| 22:21.55 | cougar` | hehe |
| 22:22.03 | fbi | i wasn't joking. |
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| 22:22.06 | cougar` | I've been running unstable for a while now |
| 22:22.10 | scx | * scx feels happy now |
| 22:22.23 | cougar` | Well it's the know how fbi, it the remembering it. |
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| 22:23.02 | fbi | do whatcha like |
| 22:23.29 | scx | * and she means: HAPPY |
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| 22:24.30 | darkcmd | hello |
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| 22:24.59 | Guerin | bah, what's the sane way of telling how much fee space you have? Can I read a file in /proc? |
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| 22:25.05 | Guerin | stupid df is hanging up |
| 22:25.30 | pacman | you could try /usr/bin/stat -f /mountpoint |
| 22:25.45 | pacman | df shouldn't get stuck though... you got a stale NFS mount? |
| 22:26.12 | delire | Guerin: i agree it shouldn't get stuck. |
| 22:26.25 | Guerin | pacman: it's a local filesystem |
| 22:26.40 | Guerin | i'll kill all nfs mounts and see what gives |
| 22:26.41 | delire | Guerin: what does 'free' do? |
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| 22:26.42 | pacman | well, stat(1) can do it. It's just not as pretty as df |
| 22:26.52 | Guerin | delire: tells you how much ram yoou have |
| 22:26.58 | Guerin | yeah, stat worked |
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| 22:27.21 | delire | Guerin: weird |
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| 22:27.27 | tchmnkyz | hey all |
| 22:28.00 | Gnea | hrm |
| 22:28.05 | tchmnkyz | i got a prob with my sarge install. i try and play mp3's and get audio but play a movie in xine or totem and get no audio, anyone got some input why? |
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| 22:28.44 | streuner | tchmnkyz: try another video file |
| 22:28.48 | tchmnkyz | k |
| 22:28.49 | delire | Guerin: when df is hanging run top or free, is system memory +/or CPU being consumed? |
| 22:28.56 | tchmnkyz | no audio |
| 22:28.58 | pacman | by the way, you can also run df on a single mount point... "df /home" for example. (actually you can specify any file and it'll tell you the information for the filesystem it's on, so you can df $HOME too) |
| 22:29.00 | tchmnkyz | just vid |
| 22:29.02 | liable | tchmnkyz: check the output plugin for xine? |
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| 22:29.17 | Guerin | ah, one of my machines' network has dies |
| 22:29.18 | Guerin | d |
| 22:29.23 | Guerin | so it is a dead nfs mount |
| 22:29.26 | Guerin | fuck |
| 22:29.28 | delire | ;) |
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| 22:29.32 | Guerin | yet MORE hardware I have to replace |
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| 22:29.44 | streuner | tchmnkyz: check out the FAQ of the xine website |
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| 22:29.47 | tchmnkyz | ok |
| 22:29.58 | pacman | if you did a df /home and /home is local it shouldn't stick even if there are some other NFS mounts that are stuck |
| 22:30.16 | Gnea | xscanimage: hp-option.c:3713: hp_optset_fix_geometry_options: Assertion `tl_x && tl_y && br_x && br_y' failed. |
| 22:31.32 | Gathond | pacman: I seem to recall something about df doing exactly that for some reason or other on my machines when NFS mounts hangs |
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| 22:31.50 | tchmnkyz | it dont say nothing about video with no audio |
| 22:32.14 | Telonir | first question: ubuntu vs debian unstable? |
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| 22:32.20 | tchmnkyz | nm |
| 22:32.22 | tchmnkyz | found it |
| 22:32.39 | streuner | Telonir: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 22:32.42 | tchmnkyz | thnx |
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| 22:34.47 | Guerin | Telonir: which ubuntu? |
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| 22:34.57 | Telonir | 5.10 |
| 22:35.19 | Legind | hey there, im just wondering what the best bittorrent client for debian is. I couldnt download azeureus, it depended some java2 packages that arn't available |
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| 22:35.44 | delire | ouch.. % diff /lib/tls/libc-2.3.5.so /lib/libc-2.3.5.so --> Binary files /lib/tls/libc-2.3.5.so and /lib/libc-2.3.5.so differ |
| 22:35.49 | delire | something's up with this box.. |
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| 22:36.20 | beardy | Legind: 'apt-cache search bittorrent' gives you some to choose from. |
| 22:36.32 | swatikiss | how can i mount or view the contents of an .iso image? |
| 22:36.48 | caphuso | swatikiss: mount -o loop foo.iso /some/where |
| 22:36.50 | delire | swatikiss: use 'loop'option |
| 22:36.50 | liable | swatikiss: mount it on loopback, man mount |
| 22:36.56 | Apollyon | I have a tdfx - voodoo3, but in linux I only can get 800X600 resolution. While in windowsXP I get up to 1024x764(?). Why does it happen? |
| 22:37.16 | beardy | Apollyon: Configure X. |
| 22:37.19 | Guerin | liable: rtorrent |
| 22:37.21 | beardy | !drxx Apollyon |
| 22:37.23 | dpkg | Apollyon: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:37.23 | Guerin | Legind: rtorrent |
| 22:37.33 | liable | Guerin: bittornado! |
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| 22:37.48 | Legind | thanks beardy, Guerin |
| 22:37.49 | Guerin | liable: get back to me when it has a curses UI worth using |
| 22:38.00 | Guerin | liable: and doesn't crash under high load |
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| 22:38.14 | liable | Guerin: i wasnt pushing it, just thought i'd mention it... |
| 22:38.55 | liable | Guerin: it was a poor attempt at humour, seeing as you misfired.. |
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| 22:40.01 | Apollyon | So, how to rum xf86config? |
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| 22:40.17 | Apollyon | So, how to run xf86config? |
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| 22:40.29 | fbi | !drx |
| 22:40.29 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:40.38 | fbi | and stop repeating |
| 22:40.45 | liable | Apollyon: dpkg told you that before. |
| 22:40.46 | beardy | Apollyon: dpkg told you above, scroll up. |
| 22:40.53 | jlil | liable that usb dont work should i keep trying |
| 22:41.19 | delire | a list of bittorrent clients and their relative capacities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_clients |
| 22:41.27 | beardy | liable: My thoughts yo your thoughts *playing Vulcan* |
| 22:42.02 | liable | beardy: sorry, that one went over my head. |
| 22:42.20 | beardy | liable: sorry, Star Trek reference :) |
| 22:42.46 | liable | ah :) |
| 22:43.16 | Apollyon | Sorry. I wrote rum with 'm'. This was the reason why I repeated. |
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| 22:44.22 | fbi | Apollyon: either way, someone already told you what to do. don't use xf86config. |
| 22:44.47 | CrocoJet | hello everyone .. I need someone help me with xserver and nvidia drivers |
| 22:45.06 | CrocoJet | I made compilation nvidia-kernel |
| 22:45.11 | dr1v3r | ok guys is it deffo poss to change the access permissions to the home directory where user accounts are created so that no users can cd .. out of their own home dir? |
| 22:45.12 | beardy | CrocoJet: Installing nvidia drivers? /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 22:45.39 | Legind | hmm, when I apt-get install rtorrent, it says I need to remove gnome, but install gnome-menus and many other programs. will that mess up my system? |
| 22:45.51 | dr1v3r | as my users get access denied to their own directory when i change the access permision to the home folder |
| 22:47.01 | delire | caphuso, any idea why binary files /lib/tls/libc-2.3.5.so and /lib/libc-2.3.5.so differ? what is the real function of /lib/tls? 'man 7 hier' provides no insights ;) |
| 22:47.14 | beardy | dr1v3r: Every user needs his own root filesystem inside his homedir then. Don't do it. Don't let people that you don't trust access your box. |
| 22:47.17 | jjazz | driver, what does 'deffo poss' mean? |
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| 22:47.31 | caphuso | delire: because one is the tls version and the other isn't |
| 22:48.06 | dr1v3r | deffinetly possible |
| 22:48.10 | beardy | dr1v3r: Perhaps a chroot, or uml is what you're looking for. |
| 22:48.12 | dr1v3r | sorry :( my mistake |
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| 22:48.42 | dr1v3r | its not taht i dont trust them i just dont want them to access outside oftheir own folder |
| 22:49.08 | beardy | dr1v3r: Then you don't trust them. Why wont you allow them that? |
| 22:49.22 | dr1v3r | because i dont want them to |
| 22:49.32 | jjazz | dr1v3r, what are you afraid they'll do? |
| 22:49.37 | dr1v3r | nowt |
| 22:49.42 | dr1v3r | i just dont want them to |
| 22:50.05 | beardy | dr1v3r: You can have 700 on your own users dir, so your strange porn don't get disturbed. |
| 22:50.18 | dr1v3r | haha |
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| 22:50.34 | delire | caphuso: ok, i think i need to look around as to the real function of /lib/tls altogether. |
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| 22:50.49 | Telonir | ?! |
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| 22:51.04 | jjazz | dr1v3r, the way things like that are usually handled is to restrict access to the specific dirs you don't want them to see. I suppose you could chmod all the dirs in /, although I'm not sure what will happen when somebody does cd .. from home in that instance. |
| 22:51.10 | eeyore- | delire: "thread local storage" |
| 22:51.19 | dr1v3r | even with 700 on the users dir they can still cd back to the home folder |
| 22:51.22 | delire | caphuso: thread local storage yes.. but i need more than this ;) |
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| 22:51.37 | WiFiTux | what is lxdialog? |
| 22:51.41 | rando_ | I'm so cool |
| 22:51.48 | WiFiTux | Is kicking my CPU to 100% |
| 22:52.05 | beardy | dr1v3r: Only let them access /home, not read it, then. |
| 22:52.06 | streuner | WiFiTux: sounds like a bug... |
| 22:52.27 | dr1v3r | they need read permission to log in |
| 22:52.28 | WiFiTux | streuner: yeah! but lxdialog is not a package, how cna I make a bug? ;-\ |
| 22:52.51 | streuner | WiFiTux: you started upgrade process? |
| 22:52.57 | beardy | dr1v3r: But why? This makes little sense.. |
| 22:53.04 | WiFiTux | streuner: yes |
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| 22:53.11 | dr1v3r | i dont know i didnt make the damn distro |
| 22:53.15 | WiFiTux | now top is using 97% |
| 22:53.25 | streuner | WiFiTux: find out which package it uses |
| 22:53.30 | hramrach | for me gpg eats all cpu time :) |
| 22:53.42 | beardy | dr1v3r: Why do you want to not let them read /home, or go anywhere else, I meant. |
| 22:53.46 | WiFiTux | how can top use 97% ggrr! |
| 22:53.52 | hramrach | But I guess with gpg it is supposed to happen :) |
| 22:54.05 | jjazz | hramrach, is gpg a pig, or do you just use crypto alot? |
| 22:54.13 | dr1v3r | for a user to log into home/user they need at least read access to the home dir |
| 22:54.17 | WiFiTux | ok, killall top did it |
| 22:54.20 | dr1v3r | ohh rite, just because i dont want to |
| 22:54.21 | WiFiTux | ok hell |
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| 22:54.39 | hramrach | I am just trying to import the debian keyring into apt - 900 keys :) |
| 22:54.55 | jjazz | hramrach, that's a lotta keys |
| 22:54.56 | dr1v3r | if u had an ftp set up for a certain dir would you let them browse round ur system coz i know i wouldnt and anyone in the right mind wouldnt want them to either |
| 22:55.01 | titoune | allo micka |
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| 22:55.32 | beardy | dr1v3r: Anyone in their right mind would use scp/sftp. |
| 22:55.45 | stew | dr1v3r: if you don't trust users to cd out of their home directories. there is no way you should give them shell access in the first place |
| 22:55.49 | Apollyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.50 | Apollyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.58 | fbi | Apollyon: hit enter |
| 22:56.04 | stew | Apollyon: unless you have 2 cards or are on a mac, leave it blank |
| 22:56.18 | hramrach | I wonder how much time it is supposed to take. Maybe it is already looping infinitely :) |
| 22:56.26 | dr1v3r | it aint taht i dont trust em anyone read that part, i have said it a load of times, i just dont want them out of their home directory is that such a crime |
| 22:56.27 | CrocoJet | no sucess ... with install nvidia drivers to kernel 2.6.12-1 |
| 22:56.35 | CrocoJet | anyone want help me ? |
| 22:56.48 | stew | dr1v3r: then don't give then shell access. the shell lets them out of their home directory |
| 22:57.10 | CrocoJet | let me explain what I am doing |
| 22:57.13 | beardy | dr1v3r: Give them /bin/false as shell. |
| 22:57.14 | dr1v3r | so ur tellin me that debian does not restrict access then? |
| 22:57.20 | CrocoJet | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common |
| 22:57.25 | OliverGTK | how to do "modprobe bttv card=42" at boot time ? I read /etc/modules.conf but I dont now how to add something ? |
| 22:57.27 | beardy | dr1v3r: No distro does. |
| 22:57.29 | eeyore- | dr1v3r: you need ugo+rx / to be able to function, sorry |
| 22:57.33 | CrocoJet | apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 22:57.55 | CrocoJet | (kernel-image 2.6.12-1) .. and working ok |
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| 22:58.05 | eeyore- | dr1v3r: that's the end of the discussion. chmod'ing go-rx / is stupid idea. use restricted shell, or don't give them shell at all |
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| 22:58.09 | CrocoJet | "stock kernel" |
| 22:58.12 | Apollyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.18 | dr1v3r | well when i asked earlier i was told it could do what i wanted it to do |
| 22:58.19 | stew | !tell CrocoJet about enter |
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| 22:58.37 | hramrach | Apollyon: just try entering nothing |
| 22:58.45 | fbi | Apollyon: 99% of the time you don't need anything there, either |
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| 22:59.05 | hramrach | Apollyon: iirc the message in the dialog says it should work most of the time |
| 22:59.05 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 22:59.06 | CrocoJet | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common. apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 22:59.07 | CrocoJet | export KVERS=`uname -r` . export KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 22:59.18 | CrocoJet | i made these commands above |
| 22:59.31 | beardy | dr1v3r: Why do they need shell access if you don't want them leaving the homedir, you can't want them to run anything either then? |
| 22:59.33 | delire | eeyore-: do you know much about thread local storage linkage and gcc? |
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| 22:59.51 | CrocoJet | cd /usr/src |
| 22:59.51 | CrocoJet | tar xvzf nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 22:59.51 | CrocoJet | cd modules/nvidia-kernel |
| 22:59.51 | CrocoJet | debian/rules binary_modules |
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| 23:00.01 | eeyore- | delire: much, no :-) |
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| 23:00.11 | Apollyon | So. Should i leave it blank as well? |
| 23:00.11 | CrocoJet | arrggghhh |
| 23:00.20 | eeyore- | dr1v3r: somebody was smokin' something |
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| 23:00.25 | stew | dr1v3r: /msg dpkg chroot ssh |
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| 23:00.39 | CrocoJet | why is hard to do drivers nvidia work |
| 23:01.05 | Rawplayer | how can i solve this? 75)Value too large for defined data type: access to /cisnugget.tar. |
| 23:01.08 | Rawplayer | gz failed |
| 23:01.08 | Rawplayer | in apache |
| 23:01.23 | stew | CrocoJet: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:01.27 | stew | CrocoJet: please stop pasting in here |
| 23:01.35 | beardy | 12 minutes ago, < beardy> dr1v3r: Perhaps a chroot, or uml is what you're looking for. |
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| 23:02.03 | Apollyon | So. Should I? |
| 23:02.09 | Caelum | Rawplayer: do you have the gzip module on? try turning it off |
| 23:02.10 | CrocoJet | one liner do not work |
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| 23:02.23 | Caelum | Rawplayer: or configure it to ignore that path or something |
| 23:02.47 | stew | CrocoJet: if you want help you have to tell us what is not working |
| 23:02.50 | Caelum | !lart Caelum |
| 23:02.56 | fbi | Apollyon: yes. if it doesn't work, you can always reconfigure again. |
| 23:02.59 | delire | eeyore-: hmm.. |
| 23:03.06 | delire | eeyore-: thanks ;) |
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| 23:03.26 | Caelum | uml is slow |
| 23:03.34 | Gnea | xen > uml |
| 23:03.42 | CrocoJet | well I need kernel-nvidia to 2.6.12-1 |
| 23:03.42 | alienbrain | what's the preferred way of sharing files between a network of debian gnu/linux boxes ? |
| 23:03.45 | Caelum | colinux is a bit faster too |
| 23:04.03 | alienbrain | a local home network |
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| 23:04.08 | Caelum | alienbrain: probably something like coda, but there's always nfs |
| 23:04.10 | Gnea | alienbrain: whatever works best for your situation. |
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| 23:04.29 | alienbrain | Gnea, I don't know what works best for me, that's why I'm asking :P |
| 23:04.30 | Caelum | alienbrain: you could use smbfs too |
| 23:04.37 | cklennard | Hi there, just a quick question. Is mozplugger still actively maintained? |
| 23:04.43 | Gnea | alienbrain: i would suggest smbfs/cifs |
| 23:04.45 | CrocoJet | I made "debian/rules binary_modules" |
| 23:04.48 | hramrach | I'd go with samba too |
| 23:05.04 | Caelum | Gnea: does smbfs support extended attributes, is fairly fast, etc.? |
| 23:05.08 | CrocoJet | but xserver do not start |
| 23:05.12 | Gnea | NFS is nothing more than a broken piece of old technology |
| 23:05.19 | Caelum | that it is |
| 23:05.22 | Gnea | Caelum: yes. |
| 23:05.27 | jjazz | alienbrain, shfsmount is nice too |
| 23:05.28 | Caelum | Gnea: very cool |
| 23:05.43 | delire | impressive: http://ondras.praha12.net/sql/demo/ |
| 23:05.47 | CrocoJet | stew, can you help me ? |
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| 23:05.59 | eeyore- | someone would pick samba for unix/unix file sharing over nfs? |
| 23:06.03 | eeyore- | you've got to be kidding me |
| 23:06.06 | cheal | CrocoJet: it's hard because the nvidia driver is proprietary |
| 23:06.16 | eeyore- | "nfs is nothing more than a broken piece of old technology"? |
| 23:06.19 | cheal | CrocoJet: what does X logs say? |
| 23:06.20 | CrocoJet | but with 2.6.8 works |
| 23:06.26 | eeyore- | Gnea: dude, get off your meth |
| 23:06.31 | Gnea | eeyore-: absolutely not. |
| 23:06.37 | CrocoJet | i cant paste here ... right ? |
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| 23:06.49 | cheal | CrocoJet: what does $ dpkg -l nvidia-kernel* |grep ii; return? |
| 23:06.49 | fbi | CrocoJet: /j #flood |
| 23:06.52 | beardy | CrocoJet: /msg dpkg paster and flood |
| 23:06.59 | Gnea | eeyore-: NFS can't recover the way that smbfs can |
| 23:07.00 | cheal | CrocoJet: not much |
| 23:07.04 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 23:07.10 | Gnea | eeyore-: it's inheritly impossible. |
| 23:07.12 | Caelum | eeyore-: a few hard mounts going stale and forcing a reboot is enough to turn someone off nfs forever :) |
| 23:07.18 | lgd | in this chan someone has see the openeeg? |
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| 23:07.23 | Caelum | eeyore-: oh, and locking issues |
| 23:07.25 | eeyore- | Caelum: you can mount -o remount |
| 23:07.27 | hramrach | eeyore-: the nfs security sucks |
| 23:07.35 | Caelum | Gnea: does smbfs do locking? |
| 23:07.36 | eeyore- | hramrach: so is smbfs |
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| 23:07.51 | Caelum | eeyore-: that was a few years back, maybe that works now which would be cool :) |
| 23:07.53 | Gnea | Caelum: it has a different mechanism that samba performs |
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| 23:08.03 | hramrach | eeyore-: it's at least a bit better |
| 23:08.14 | delire | can't beat drag and drop scp ... |
| 23:08.16 | hramrach | you get authentication at all |
| 23:08.24 | Gnea | NFS is also too proprietary |
| 23:08.25 | CrocoJet | ok, paste #flood |
| 23:08.44 | Caelum | Gnea: sun gave linux NFS a long time ago... and it's been very actively maintained |
| 23:08.47 | CrocoJet | cheal, what do you think ? |
| 23:08.51 | Gnea | yeah, they've made some cross-platform attempts, but they just can't compete |
| 23:08.59 | cheal | CrocoJet: you didn't paste while I was there |
| 23:09.05 | Gnea | Caelum: that still doesn't make it better. |
| 23:09.07 | cheal | CrocoJet: ok |
| 23:09.10 | Arsion | got a question. I am trying to install my pcmcia wlan card but have no access to any internet with that box. In order to install it, I am having to upgrade the kernel from 4 to 6.12, but going through everything and checking to see if i have it before downloading is taking me forever and a day. Is there any program for Windows that will allow me to connect to the mirrors and download a package ~x~Hate~x~ |
| 23:09.10 | Arsion | ~x~Anger~x~ and all required packages as well like apt-get does? ~x~Sorrow~x~ |
| 23:09.16 | titoune | micka,,,,???? |
| 23:09.18 | Caelum | Gnea: but does normal flock() work fairly well on smbfs mounts? |
| 23:09.32 | Gnea | Caelum: in a real-world environment, smbfs outperforms nfs constantly. |
| 23:09.34 | stew | CrocoJet: what is the problem you are trying to solve? are you getting an error? you haven't showed us an error yet |
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| 23:09.47 | Gnea | Caelum: flock()? |
| 23:09.50 | CrocoJet | stew, yes |
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| 23:09.57 | cklennard | Gnea: eh, sorry i didn't get the full talk. But if you are talking about network fs, have you investigated OpenAFS? |
| 23:10.01 | eeyore- | Gnea: nfs is proprietary? compared to what, windows networking? |
| 23:10.06 | litage | what is the .install4j directory that java often creates in a user's home directory? |
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| 23:10.16 | CrocoJet | Fatal IO Error 104 |
| 23:10.19 | Gnea | cklennard: i have, but not to the extent that i have the other two |
| 23:10.26 | eeyore- | Gnea: nfs runs on every unix you can find today ... windows networking? with or without samba? |
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| 23:10.27 | mo1991 | where is the alsa config file for alsa in sarge? |
| 23:10.33 | beardy | Arsion: Please drop those ~x~ things, and give us the real kernel versions. |
| 23:10.34 | stew | CrocoJet: what are you doing when you get that error? |
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| 23:10.41 | mo1991 | used to be in /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9 |
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| 23:10.51 | CrocoJet | when linux is starting xfreeserver |
| 23:10.59 | beardy | Arsion: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 23:11.03 | CrocoJet | 3 times ... and abort |
| 23:11.07 | cheal | CrocoJet: is the nvidia module loaded? |
| 23:11.21 | CrocoJet | good question .. |
| 23:11.25 | CrocoJet | no idea |
| 23:11.31 | thecoolestcow | hey, i need help printing to my HP laserjet 6L. CUPS doesn't work with it: every time i install it (without even configuring the laserjet) it just spews out blank papers automatically |
| 23:11.31 | cklennard | Gnea: Ah ok, well i use it since three months and i would say it's much nicer than nfs :) |
| 23:11.31 | Gnea | eeyore-: you're just miffed that smbfs originally came from microsoft and that nfs originally came from sun. that's all good and fine, but when it comes down to data integrity, smbfs beats the pants off of nfs for the least number of data loss occurances. |
| 23:11.33 | cheal | $ lsmod|grep nvidia; |
| 23:11.35 | Caelum | ahh, nfsv4 support file locks! |
| 23:11.35 | stew | CrocoJet: read the log in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and look for lines starting with EE |
| 23:11.40 | Arsion | sorry, part of a cut script..forgot it was on. going from 2.4.27-2-386 to 2.6.12-2-386 |
| 23:11.40 | CrocoJet | ok |
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| 23:11.59 | pbransford | can someone help me with something in APT |
| 23:12.06 | Gnea | cklennard: that's cool, but how well does it stand up in a multi-OS secured environment? :) |
| 23:12.13 | thecoolestcow | pbransford: ask |
| 23:12.16 | eeyore- | Gnea: i'm not miffed at anything. i just find it odd that anybody would "recommend smbfs" over nfs for unix/unix. it's just mindboggling. |
| 23:12.22 | pbransford | im trying to update but e2fsprogs is yelling |
| 23:12.29 | CrocoJet | (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 23:12.37 | pbransford | i need to activate "APT::Force-LoopBreak" ... what is that? |
| 23:12.43 | Gnea | eeyore-: the facts speak for themselves. if all you know is NFS, then of course it's going to be mindboggling to you. |
| 23:12.49 | Caelum | cklennard: how does that compare to CODA? and does that use the linux kernel AFS support stuff? |
| 23:12.52 | delire | pbransford: hehe i knew it. you don't want to if possible.. |
| 23:13.08 | cklennard | Gnea: well it uses single sign on natively and uses encryption if you like it has local disk caches in memory or on disk and is available on win and unix |
| 23:13.09 | Caelum | cklennard: also, file locks? |
| 23:13.12 | intruso | lilo |
| 23:13.17 | CrocoJet | stew, can i open private chat with you ? |
| 23:13.23 | pbransford | im not even using that filesystem! im using v3 |
| 23:13.27 | cklennard | Gnea: though to be honest i do not know how much security you nedd |
| 23:13.30 | Gnea | cklennard: what about OSX? |
| 23:13.32 | stew | pbransford: what does "apt-cache policy e2fsprogs" say for Installed: and Candidate: |
| 23:13.33 | cheal | CrocoJet: "deselect (uncheck) GLCore" (in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x |
| 23:13.42 | thecoolestcow | can someone help me? everytime i install CUPS and i restart, my laserjet 6L spews out blank paper. i need to print :-/ |
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| 23:13.53 | intruso | LILO |
| 23:13.56 | Caelum | things like AFS have another advantage in that they can be distributed and NFS can't be |
| 23:13.57 | CrocoJet | let me try |
| 23:13.58 | Gnea | cklennard: security is really irrelevent, that can be taken care of at a completely different level |
| 23:14.00 | stew | CrocoJet: its best to keep it here so other can help/benefit. i know nothing about nvidia anyway |
| 23:14.03 | cklennard | Caelum: iirc not yet |
| 23:14.12 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 23:14.26 | Caelum | cklennard: ahh |
| 23:14.28 | CrocoJet | well I need boot with 2.6.12-1 |
| 23:14.31 | beardy | !wayttd intruso |
| 23:14.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, intruso? |
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| 23:14.33 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: http://www.linuxprinting.org <-- found it there? |
| 23:14.34 | CrocoJet | letÅ› go !! |
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| 23:14.38 | cklennard | Gnea: yes i think it does |
| 23:14.39 | cheal | CrocoJet: wait... |
| 23:14.42 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 23:14.45 | pbransford | installed: 1.35-6 candidate: 1.38-2 |
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| 23:14.58 | LeonTrotsky | Viva la revolution |
| 23:14.58 | intruso | what do you man |
| 23:15.01 | intruso | mean |
| 23:15.04 | stew | pbransford: you should upgrade to the current stable before you upgrade to testing |
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| 23:15.09 | cheal | CrocoJet: if it doesn't work with 2.6.12 and nvidia, switch to nv temporarily |
| 23:15.12 | delire | LeonTrotsky: i thought you were dead! |
| 23:15.19 | cheal | CrocoJet: so you don't have to reboot again |
| 23:15.21 | pbransford | im just going in aptitude, mark upgradable, and installing |
| 23:15.22 | intruso | LILO |
| 23:15.23 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: i have my driver, the GIMP package includes a driver for my printer. but without even installing a driver, it just spits out paper. |
| 23:15.34 | delire | pbransford: you don't want to edit the apt config, it's dangerous.. |
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| 23:15.39 | Gnea | intruso: what do you want? |
| 23:15.39 | pbransford | im using old Sarge CDs, trying to update now that i got NDISWRAPPER up |
| 23:15.42 | CrocoJet | well I am using 2.6.8 and nvidia is working ok |
| 23:15.48 | LeonTrotsky | delire: I've been raised from the dead |
| 23:15.50 | blakkino | hi |
| 23:15.50 | CrocoJet | I want nvidia with 2.6.12-1 |
| 23:15.57 | CrocoJet | I am 2.6.8 now |
| 23:15.58 | Caelum | hrm, no locking in smbfs: http://crossover.codeweavers.com/pipermail/discuss/2005-June/008639.html |
| 23:16.00 | cklennard | Gnea: oh, well it is nice to enforce somethings on the fs level, also encryption does help against snithing |
| 23:16.02 | delire | LeonTrotsky: uncanny, really. |
| 23:16.05 | CrocoJet | understand ? |
| 23:16.08 | intruso | ABRAXAS77 give me a mesage to LILO |
| 23:16.08 | blakkino | someone know how often RAM stop working? |
| 23:16.13 | pbransford | so i should edit my sources file to stable then... |
| 23:16.15 | simy | can sombody tell me of an easy to setup MTA, im soooo lost! (ive tried to figure out xmail, exim, and sendmail, but i havnt a clue what im doing!) |
| 23:16.16 | pbransford | right? |
| 23:16.17 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: but what backend are you using? |
| 23:16.33 | pbransford | change all "testing" to "stable" after the URLs? |
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| 23:16.39 | stew | pbransford: you are running packages from sarge that are from before sarge was released. You should either upgrade to the current packages in sarge before you upgrade to etch. or you have to force the loopbreak /msg dpkg loopbreak |
| 23:16.40 | Caelum | blakkino: highly unlikely for RAM to go bad, more likely are manufacturing defects. Try memtest86 |
| 23:16.43 | cureless | blakkino: it depends what you do with it |
| 23:16.50 | intruso | thats what i want |
| 23:16.50 | beardy | blakkino: It happens, sometimes. |
| 23:16.57 | beardy | !tell blakkino about memtest |
| 23:16.58 | Arsion | beardy: thats what i am doing currently. I have been at downloading packages for the past 4 hours by hand. I am wondering if there is anyway to do it on Windows like apt-get does on debian |
| 23:17.07 | cureless | blakkino: where you doing anything "unusual" to it? |
| 23:17.08 | blakkino | i already done memtest86 |
| 23:17.10 | blakkino | some month ago |
| 23:17.20 | eeyore- | blakkino: if you were not careful with it you could damage it with electrostatic discharge |
| 23:17.22 | blakkino | it found errors.. so i buy a new piece of ram |
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| 23:17.24 | jasperB | hello, could anybody tell me how good is the support of ATI graphic cards, with PCIe interface, under debian? |
| 23:17.27 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: sorry, i'm a noob. what's a backend, and how do i know what mine is? |
| 23:17.27 | cureless | good ram has a lifetime warranty anyway. |
| 23:17.34 | pbransford | im not trying to got to testing, actually. |
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| 23:17.37 | pbransford | i think i got it... |
| 23:17.39 | Gnea | intruso: please notify abraxas77 of the /msg command, he can send the message direct. |
| 23:17.43 | Ecnassianer | How do I run Impress (the presentation software from OpenOffice.org)? (openoffice.org is already the newest version) |
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| 23:17.45 | beardy | Arsion: I don't think so. If you don't have net access on the other box, perhaps the cd-images would be good to have for you? |
| 23:17.47 | cklennard | Caelum: if i understand the messages right google presents me. File locking will be available in 1.4 which is atm a release candidate |
| 23:17.48 | blakkino | now i suspect there are othe problems.. but this frequency seem a bit strange.. isn't it? |
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| 23:18.00 | cureless | Ecnassianer: run openoffice |
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| 23:18.09 | Arsion | i have them all, but they dont have 2.6.12-2-386 on them |
| 23:18.13 | stew | !info e2fsprogs testing |
| 23:18.16 | dpkg | e2fsprogs: (ext2 file system utilities and libraries), section admin, is required. Version: 1.38-2 (etch), Packaged size: 514 kB, Installed size: 1416 kB |
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| 23:18.21 | pbransford | ok i fixed my mirrors |
| 23:18.23 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: a backend is a daemon that controls the flow control to and from the printer, such as LPR, LPRng and CUPS (preferably) |
| 23:18.27 | Ecnassianer | bout the only thing I hadn't tried, thanks cureless :-) |
| 23:18.28 | stew | pbransford: ^^^^ you are trying to fetch 1.38-2 which is testing |
| 23:18.32 | pbransford | The cds auto-set apt to go for testing |
| 23:18.39 | pbransford | cause when i burned them sarge was testing |
| 23:18.47 | stew | pbransford: thats becuase you installed when sarge was testing not stable |
| 23:18.50 | zerve_the_death | problem with pgp |
| 23:18.58 | zerve_the_death | any help? |
| 23:19.01 | pbransford | so if i set my apt sources to look at stable, it SHOULD work? |
| 23:19.16 | Gnea | !tell zerve_the_death about ask |
| 23:19.17 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: i have LPR (i think), and i had CUPS before i uninstalled it because i got angry at it :D |
| 23:19.23 | cheal | CrocoJet: yes, I'm just telling you to boot with 2.6.12 and not boot with 2.6.8 again if it doesn't work immediately |
| 23:19.26 | hramrach | but you get no AFS on *BSD. And MS has distributed cifs or whatever. But it is probably not in Samba yet. |
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| 23:19.31 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: well now you're in a worse situation. |
| 23:19.33 | stew | pbransford: possiblly, depends on what you have installed from testing since etch became testing |
| 23:19.37 | intruso | he tells # i can-t connect to the server# so he cant even use the server |
| 23:19.40 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: why? i can easily install CUPS... |
| 23:19.43 | cheal | CrocoJet: use the 2D-only "nv" X driver temporarily instead |
| 23:19.45 | pbransford | its a new install with the bare essentials to get ndiswrapper up |
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| 23:20.07 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: it kept spitting out paper, and i couldnt stop it, so the only way i could stop it was to uninstall CUPS |
| 23:20.10 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: yes, get rid of lpr and install cups - there's also cupsys-bsd, also install the foomatic* packages and use foomatic-gui to configure and test print |
| 23:20.23 | pbransford | so i installed... kernel-package, kernel-source-2.6.8-1-686, ndiswrapper-* |
| 23:20.28 | pbransford | and ncurses5 |
| 23:20.36 | beardy | thecoolestcow: Couldn't you turned off the printer, or pulled the power? :) |
| 23:20.36 | CrocoJet | oh ok |
| 23:21.04 | Gnea | beardy: hehe, he'd have to stop the queue along the way somehow |
| 23:21.25 | Caelum | cklennard: awesome :) so you'd be able to do shared mail spools and stuff |
| 23:21.30 | stew | pbransford: check your installed versions of libstdc++6 and libc6 against the versions on http://packages.debian.org/libc6 and ...libstdc++6 to see if you have testing or stable |
| 23:21.31 | intruso | what can he do |
| 23:21.35 | beardy | Gnea: yeah, that's true |
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| 23:21.40 | Gnea | intruso: go away. |
| 23:21.52 | J_P | hi all |
| 23:21.55 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: whats Cupsys-bsd? do i need it? |
| 23:21.57 | stew | !e2fsprogs |
| 23:21.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, e2fsprogs is http://bugs.debian.org/325834 |
| 23:22.03 | Caelum | thecoolestcow: yes |
| 23:22.10 | Caelum | thecoolestcow: it's commands like lpr |
| 23:22.19 | thecoolestcow | Caelum: ok then |
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| 23:22.42 | J_P | people, I am yet using raid0 in woody(old madhine), but I dont know how i remove my md0 enad recreate it agaim, anyone know ? |
| 23:22.43 | cklennard | Caelum: well to be honest we use it for sharing the cache for a zeo setup |
| 23:22.46 | delire | stew: thanks, i was about to register the bug myself ;) |
| 23:22.46 | pbransford | stew, er what? |
| 23:22.59 | stew | !e2fsprogs is also if you are getting a messages about Force LoopBreak a likely cause is that you are trying to upgrade pre-stable packages to testing which isnt' supported. you should fully upgrade to the current stable before upgrading to testing, or ask me about <force loopbreak> |
| 23:22.59 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 23:23.02 | cklennard | Caelum: works quite nice, even with prebuild packages :) |
| 23:23.05 | Gnea | intruso: go /join #freenode and ask there |
| 23:23.06 | zerve_the_death | any help how to fix my pgp problem? |
| 23:23.19 | pbransford | ok, updating to stable now |
| 23:23.25 | Gnea | !tell zerve_the_death about ask |
| 23:23.29 | Gnea | !tell zerve_the_death about rules |
| 23:23.34 | delire | pbransford: e2fsprogs is often the critical meta package that results/reveals the loopbreak problem |
| 23:23.39 | Gnea | zerve_the_death: in short, no. |
| 23:23.45 | pbransford | i knew i shoulda used reiserfs |
| 23:23.53 | stew | pbransford: "dpkg -l libstdc++6" see what version it is, go to http://packages.debian.org/libstdc++6 and see how your version compares with stable and testing versions |
| 23:24.00 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: do i want to instlal the BSD compatability server? |
| 23:24.00 | pbransford | no web browser |
| 23:24.15 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: apt-cache show cupsys-bsd and read for yourself |
| 23:24.23 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: k |
| 23:24.24 | stew | pbransford: ok tell us what versions of libstdc++6 and libc6 |
| 23:24.26 | cureless | thecoolestcow: no. Unless you are providing lpd service to other computers. |
| 23:24.29 | Caelum | cklennard: is that like zope's rdbms? |
| 23:24.42 | stew | pbransford: (if can irc, you can probably use lynx) |
| 23:24.46 | cklennard | Caelum: jepp |
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| 23:24.54 | hardwire | ugh |
| 23:24.56 | hardwire | http://nocdoc.tdxnet.com/servers/installation/debian_install/part_001/ |
| 23:24.58 | pbransford | c++6 doesn't exist |
| 23:24.59 | hardwire | is this too lame? |
| 23:25.09 | cj | hey all |
| 23:25.09 | thecoolestcow | cureless: so, if i want Windows computers to connect to it (which isnt mandatory), should i install it? |
| 23:25.10 | pbransford | stew i specifically installed bitchx to get help :D |
| 23:25.11 | Sneg | can i go from testing back to stable? |
| 23:25.13 | hardwire | trying to document root raid 1 debian installs sinec I won't be the only sysadmin nowadays |
| 23:25.14 | stew | pbransford: "dpkg -l libstdc++6" |
| 23:25.24 | cj | Sneg: mostly no. |
| 23:25.25 | pbransford | that an L after the - in lowercase? |
| 23:25.31 | pbransford | no mouse etc... no copy/paste |
| 23:25.38 | delire | pbransford: -l == list |
| 23:25.45 | pbransford | no matching packages |
| 23:25.54 | cj | Oct 6 09:23:28 localhost named[9376]: couldn't open pid file '/var/run/bind/run/named.pid': Permission denied |
| 23:25.55 | delire | hehe |
| 23:25.59 | cj | can someone help me clear this up? |
| 23:26.04 | Sneg | xorg is giving me big problems with my video card in my laptop, should i just uninstall the xorg binaries, and install xfree from xfree86.org? |
| 23:26.08 | delire | pbransford: dpkg -l libstdc++5 |
| 23:26.09 | cklennard | Caelum: the really nice thing here is the client local cache, after one slow access over the net you get everything from the cache, and if you use more than one storage server you really can ensure that your service *is* available |
| 23:26.10 | cureless | thecoolestcow: no, that's not the BSD thing. |
| 23:26.13 | intruso | but he cant connect to irc.freenode.org, how he can join to any channel if he was banned from the server?, he cant stablish connection with irc.freenode.org ... |
| 23:26.15 | thecoolestcow | k |
| 23:26.20 | pbransford | 3.3.4-13 |
| 23:26.27 | cureless | cj: are you running as root? |
| 23:26.32 | Caelum | cklennard: what about concurrency? |
| 23:26.33 | delire | pbransford: you haven't get switched ABI's |
| 23:26.38 | pbransford | ? |
| 23:26.39 | delire | s/get/yet |
| 23:26.45 | cj | /etc/defaults/bind9 says to exec as user bind, and group bind has permission to rwx that dir |
| 23:26.48 | pbransford | ABI? |
| 23:26.50 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: should i restart now? i installed CUPS and cupsys-bsd |
| 23:26.51 | beardy | intruso: Who is banned? |
| 23:26.52 | Caelum | cj: try to chown the file to bind's user |
| 23:27.00 | pbransford | wtf, im just trying to update my packages hehe |
| 23:27.03 | stew | pbransford: that's good news, its still possible for you to run stable |
| 23:27.03 | cklennard | Caelum: Eh what do you mean exactly, two clients changing the same object? |
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| 23:27.08 | cj | cureless: I start with sudo invoke-rc.d bind9 start |
| 23:27.11 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: if they're installed then they're running, why would you need to restart? |
| 23:27.13 | cj | Caelum: I did that, too |
| 23:27.15 | delire | pbransford: which is good, because you should upgrade to the current stable before upgrading your libc6 to the new ABI. |
| 23:27.16 | pbransford | YAY no error came up |
| 23:27.19 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: just run foomatic-gui |
| 23:27.22 | stew | pbransford: if you had upgraded libc6 or libstdc++ past stable, there is no turning back |
| 23:27.24 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: (as root) |
| 23:27.42 | Caelum | cklennard: in a short amount of time, do updates get pushed to the storage servers for every transaction? |
| 23:27.52 | delire | stew: don't mean to be an echo. i'll shutup ;) |
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| 23:28.06 | cj | uhm. I feel dumb. user bind wasn't in group bind |
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| 23:28.19 | stew | delire: no worries :) |
| 23:28.23 | delire | ;) |
| 23:28.35 | pbransford | well, i coulda just hosed the system and started over. not too far into installation |
| 23:28.50 | cklennard | Caelum: uh normally yes, but only if it is available, though i thing you can tune here the timing. |
| 23:28.52 | thecoolestcow | cj: don't feel dumb. i don't even know what that is :p |
| 23:29.13 | stew | pbransford: you should probably get fresh stable cd's before your next install but you seem to be fine now |
| 23:29.18 | cj | thecoolestcow: run 'groups $USER' |
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| 23:29.38 | pbransford | stew, sucks that i dont have a DVD burner |
| 23:29.47 | pbransford | 15 disks is ridiculous |
| 23:30.00 | cklennard | Caelum: but i never needed that as over 100MB lan the speed was always quite acceptable. Well i the end it works over a network. So i you have a cache miss it will be slower. |
| 23:30.01 | pbransford | but i use disk 14 getting ndiswrapper so i don't have a choice :) |
| 23:30.08 | beardy | pbransford: They're really cheap nowadays. |
| 23:30.09 | delire | hehe |
| 23:30.16 | stew | pbransford: you can get just disk 1 and 14 then and be fine |
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| 23:30.19 | intruso | Gnea are you there? |
| 23:30.37 | stew | pbransford: you dont' have to get every one, only the ones with packages you need to get far enough to get networking setup |
| 23:30.47 | beardy | pbransford: I don't have one yet either though :) |
| 23:30.50 | pbransford | laptop... no expansion |
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| 23:31.02 | eeyore- | does debian installer support SATA (intel 82801GR/GH) now? |
| 23:31.08 | Gnea | intruso: i said, /join #freenode |
| 23:31.09 | beardy | pbransford: There are external, but a bit more expensive of course.. |
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| 23:31.20 | cj | eeyore-: is that piix? |
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| 23:31.33 | pbransford | stupid HP laptop |
| 23:31.39 | jim | pbransford: you could just get the package you need itself rather than the package (1 megabyte on avg; guess) plus 699 other megabytes |
| 23:31.56 | eeyore- | cj: SATA AHCI |
| 23:31.58 | jim | seems to me that would be more efficient... |
| 23:32.07 | pbransford | gota go, uninstalling current kernel and modules (ndiswrapper go bye-bye) |
| 23:32.12 | cj | eeyore-: I've got an 'Intel Corp. 6300ESB SATA Storage Controller', and it works |
| 23:32.15 | pbransford | thanks for the assistance |
| 23:32.18 | delire | np |
| 23:32.26 | stew | eeyore-: seems like it should be supported by d-i if the 2.6.8-2 kernel supports it |
| 23:32.29 | eeyore- | cj: i suppose i could try it and see :-) |
| 23:32.44 | cj | eeyore-: or you could modprobe piix on a running system and see if it picks it up :) |
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| 23:33.26 | eeyore- | stew: yeah, the next hurdle is to get xp sp2 to install on it. dell didn't provide any floppy with additional drivers :-p (this is a dimension so they don't give any cd at all, darn it) |
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| 23:33.52 | Apollyon | I tried 6 times to reconfig my X to handle 1024x768 with my 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 (rev 01). But it stucks in 800x600 and can not have a better resolution. What is happening? Any Ideas? |
| 23:34.17 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: uhh ok i opened foomatic-gui, it recognized my printer, i clicked print test page and nothing happened. restart? |
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| 23:34.29 | stew | eeyore-: oh its a new dell? i just installed on one of those the other day, the only SATA i've had experience with |
| 23:34.40 | jim | Apollyon: for a fun time, read man X |
| 23:34.49 | cddesjar | because i didnt' want to use the experimental packages |
| 23:34.58 | cddesjar | where are the icons for openoffice.org2 located on my computer? i installed the package via alien conversion from the website |
| 23:35.02 | jim | it could help you with general points (as would info bash) |
| 23:35.05 | eeyore- | stew: dimension 9100 |
| 23:35.12 | stew | eeyore-: 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 6300ESB SATA Storage Controller (rev 02) |
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| 23:35.17 | stew | eeyore-: that? |
| 23:35.27 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: did you install the hp-related driver packages? |
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| 23:35.37 | beardy | cddesjar: You said the exact same thing hours ago.. |
| 23:35.53 | eeyore- | stew: well in xp, the device manager lists intel 82801GR/GH SATA AHCI controller, i don't have linux/knoppix here to see what the pci ids are |
| 23:35.56 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: i used Gimp's because the hp ones dont include my 6L, Gimp's do. should i try and install them anyway? |
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| 23:36.10 | cddesjar | so |
| 23:36.14 | stew | eeyore-: well fwiw, i did a successful sarge install on it |
| 23:36.17 | cddesjar | i didn't figure it out |
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| 23:37.00 | beardy | cddesjar: I asked you then why you installed them, and used alien, insteaad of using the packages in the repository. |
| 23:37.51 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: the gimp's is not the best driver. |
| 23:37.58 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_6L |
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| 23:38.08 | beardy | cddesjar: No one can know where your icons went if you used a package like that, and converted it and installed it. |
| 23:38.08 | Caelum | dri in xorg seems to be significantly faster |
| 23:38.11 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: oh. great. now that it already recognized my Gimp driver. |
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| 23:38.24 | cddesjar | isn't a method for searching? |
| 23:38.34 | Arsion | question, how would I get apt to actually see my cdrom of d/l'ed packages and try to install them for me? i get tired of having to run dpkg -i on each package |
| 23:38.45 | maher | Arsion: apt-setup |
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| 23:39.14 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: start over foomatic-gui and have it use this ppd: http://www.linuxprinting.org/ppd-o-matic.cgi?driver=ljet4&printer=HP-LaserJet_6L&show=0 |
| 23:39.17 | maher | Arsion: or if you want to install them all youcan do dpkg -i * |
| 23:39.42 | beardy | Arsion: *.deb |
| 23:39.42 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: yeah it recognizes it but it doesn't print. ding? |
| 23:39.44 | Arsion | maher: that gives error: Non-debian CD-ROM detected. |
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| 23:40.08 | Arsion | same error i get with apt-cdrom add |
| 23:40.16 | caphuso | Arsion: you can't just add a bunch of .deb files to apt, they need to be prepared |
| 23:40.19 | beardy | Arsion: mount the cd, cd /cdrom, dpkg --install *.deb |
| 23:40.41 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: yeah. |
| 23:40.46 | eeyore- | stew: it's a nice machine though :-) i'll probably be dualbooting it. p4 ht, 800Mhz FSB and EM64T |
| 23:40.58 | maher | Arsion: yeah - sorry - that will only work for special apt repositories - if you want to install all the debs you can do dpkg -i *.deb |
| 23:40.59 | Arsion | so in otherwords...unless i want to do a Packages file...i'm stuck with just the dpkg -i * command |
| 23:41.02 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: try that ppd file and see if it still isn't the printer cartridge |
| 23:41.08 | caphuso | Arsion: yes |
| 23:41.15 | alchem | Arsion, you could try copying all .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/ , and then apt-get install them as you always do |
| 23:41.36 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: it's the 'download ppd' link from that first url i tossed ya |
| 23:41.36 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: the packages i installed include that Ljet4-6L thing... is that one different? |
| 23:41.52 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: yeah i downloaded it, what now? |
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| 23:42.19 | eeyore- | Arsion: easiest way? copy those *.deb files to your cache directory |
| 23:42.26 | eeyore- | Arsion: oh wait, alchem already said that |
| 23:42.27 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: oh. got it. |
| 23:42.27 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: have foomatic-gui reference it - delete your printer, go and re-add new printer, tell it to use that ppd file |
| 23:42.29 | eeyore- | doh |
| 23:42.33 | Gnea | :) |
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| 23:42.54 | stew | eeyore-: this one is not so boss. i was in such a hurry that i didn't even look at the model number, i only looked at it long enough to locate a usb port to boot d-i from :) |
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| 23:43.17 | eeyore- | stew: wait a minute. "usb port to boot d-i from"? |
| 23:43.18 | reppel | is there something to do to use 2Gb of ram efficiently? given that i pay the penalty for highmem.. should i cache parts of the filesystem explicitely like solaris does? |
| 23:43.21 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: i love you! |
| 23:43.22 | k-man | how can i make shortcut icons on the desktop in blackbox? |
| 23:43.27 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 23:43.28 | eeyore- | stew: care to elaborate? :) |
| 23:43.32 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: :D it worked, howd you know that would od it?? |
| 23:43.34 | thecoolestcow | do* |
| 23:43.41 | Caelum | k-man: you need to run a filemanager of some sort |
| 23:43.44 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: cuz i'm the linux printing guru :) |
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| 23:43.48 | Caelum | k-man: gnome, kde, or one of the small ones |
| 23:43.58 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: oh, duh. i should've guessed. |
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| 23:44.02 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 23:44.04 | Gnea | it's all good |
| 23:44.05 | pbransford | alls good, thanks again guys |
| 23:44.09 | stew | eeyore-: burned netinst from my laptop onto a usb cdrw, then moved the usb cable to the dell server, rebooted installed... |
| 23:44.15 | thecoolestcow | thanks dude |
| 23:44.24 | eeyore- | stew: debian install likes usb devices now? |
| 23:44.25 | k-man | Caelum, whats a small one? idon't really want a file manager... all i really want is a really quick way to launch emacs and xterms |
| 23:44.31 | pbransford | later i'll need to figure out how to get alsa to see my USB SBLive (it only sees my built-in AC'97 Crapio) |
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| 23:44.33 | k-man | any ideas? |
| 23:44.38 | reppel | k-man: configure bbkeys... |
| 23:44.42 | Gnea | now if i could only get xscanimage to stop being a little bitch, things would be great... |
| 23:44.46 | eeyore- | stew: nice progress :-) |
| 23:44.47 | k-man | ahh... bbkeys |
| 23:44.54 | reppel | k-man: icons are not useful to launch xterms, since you have to type to use xterm.. |
| 23:44.55 | stew | eeyore-: sure, i have a usb pendrive that i install from, but i just didn't have it on me that day |
| 23:44.56 | thecoolestcow | hah, thats my next step in linux |
| 23:45.02 | thecoolestcow | i have to work on installing my scanner |
| 23:45.08 | k-man | reppel, good point |
| 23:45.25 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: i have an hp all-in-one and it works great! the only problem is once in awhile an apt-get upgrade tends to mess it all up |
| 23:45.30 | thecoolestcow | yeah |
| 23:45.31 | k-man | reppel, i'll investigate bbkeys |
| 23:45.38 | Gnea | like right now, printing is fine |
| 23:45.39 | eeyore- | later, people |
| 23:45.41 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: ok nevermind? my scanner is missing o_O |
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| 23:45.44 | Gnea | but scanning doesn't work worth a shite |
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| 23:46.03 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: i dono where the poop it went... it like, left |
| 23:46.05 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: are you running sarge, etch or sid? |
| 23:46.08 | interbird | Gnea: Printing Guru -- My Gimp don't print anymore... -- 2.2.8-9 |
| 23:46.12 | Caelum | k-man: there's xfe and dfm....anyone know which small file managers are good? |
| 23:46.13 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: sarge |
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| 23:46.21 | Gnea | interbird: sarge, etch or sid? |
| 23:46.27 | Gnea | thecoolestcow: ah, yer alright then :) |
| 23:46.29 | Caelum | k-man: xfm too, but I think that one is really old |
| 23:46.34 | thecoolestcow | Gnea: haha, later man. |
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| 23:46.39 | k-man | Caelum, lts ok, i think i'll investigate bbkeys first |
| 23:46.40 | interbird | Gnea: Testing |
| 23:46.46 | k-man | Caelum, thanks htough |
| 23:46.47 | Gnea | interbird: hrm.... |
| 23:47.03 | el_cubano | Anyone know about hard drives and Linux software RAID? |
| 23:47.08 | Caelum | k-man: there are some launcher panel apps too, that aren't desktop icons |
| 23:47.12 | Gnea | interbird: i usually save the images with gimp, then print them with firefox or something |
| 23:47.55 | k-man | Caelum, that might do the trick |
| 23:48.25 | interbird | Gnea: Printing Gurus print different ? :-) |
| 23:48.30 | reppel | k-man: for desktop icons try idesk, there are at least 10 of such apps |
| 23:48.43 | reppel | k-man: or fbdesk |
| 23:49.10 | k-man | thanks |
| 23:49.18 | Gnea | interbird: it depends on the printer and driver :) |
| 23:49.23 | k-man | reppel, but i like the bbkeys idea |
| 23:49.28 | k-man | much less cluttering |
| 23:50.00 | stew | el_cubano: if you have a real question, ask it |
| 23:50.15 | interbird | Gnea: I found that the print-plugin is missing from Gimp above 2.2.8-8 |
| 23:50.40 | interbird | Gnea: Now I use 2.2.8-10 with print-plugin from 2.2.8-8 |
| 23:50.44 | Caelum | k-man: I see a small taskbar app called perlpanel |
| 23:51.05 | k-man | Caelum, ok |
| 23:51.06 | k-man | thanks |
| 23:51.09 | interbird | Gnea: Otherwise the print-menu-item is gone in Gimp |
| 23:51.19 | k-man | how do i make bb launch bbkeys at startup? |
| 23:51.49 | interbird | Gnea: Could not get Gutenprint anywhere -- is new gimp-print ? |
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| 23:52.12 | Gnea | interbird: i'm not too familiar with gutenprint |
| 23:52.14 | dregan | Can anyone please tell me what " Oct 7 07:17:04 mail -- MARK -- " means in the /var/log/messages log file please? |
| 23:52.26 | Caelum | k-man: btw, there seems to be a #blackbox here |
| 23:52.31 | k-man | oh |
| 23:52.33 | k-man | nice |
| 23:52.35 | k-man | thanks Caelum |
| 23:52.39 | Caelum | k-man: in your conf file I guess :) |
| 23:52.39 | k-man | thanks reppel |
| 23:52.59 | interbird | Gnea: OK, sorry, thought I had a print-guru online :-) |
| 23:53.05 | caphuso | dregan: it means that syslog is alive |
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| 23:53.27 | Gnea | interbird: afaik, gutenprint != gimp-print :) |
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| 23:53.52 | dregan | caphuso: Thank you, is it worth having it fill logs, if not, can it be isolated and not recorded? |
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| 23:54.23 | Gnea | interbird: although it seems to be taking over |
| 23:54.28 | interbird | Gnea: As far as you know, but as far as I know it's the replacement |
| 23:54.30 | caphuso | dregan: how else would you differentiate between 1) no messages were logged and 2) syslog stopped working? |
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| 23:54.48 | CrocoJet | back ! |
| 23:55.01 | CrocoJet | hello |
| 23:55.05 | dregan | caphuso: Thank you! No problem then |
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| 23:55.24 | interbird | Gnea: I like to print from Gimp -- don't grasp why plug-in/print is excluded from the latest Gimp-package |
| 23:55.33 | Gnea | interbird: from what i can tell, it's just a name-change, the fundamentals are the same |
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| 23:56.19 | interbird | Gnea: But there is no gutenprint-package yet in testing while Gimp is updated deleting the print-plugin |
| 23:56.24 | CrocoJet | well I am here using linux 2.6.12-1-k7 (2D) |
| 23:56.24 | Atula | I'm trying to set up a php blog ontp apache2, I was wondering... do I need to get php4 or php5? |
| 23:56.32 | Atula | I mean. should I get php5? |
| 23:56.49 | Gnea | interbird: right, it won't hit testing until it hits experimental and unstable first |
| 23:56.53 | Atula | when I did apt-cache search php I only see php4 |
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| 23:57.43 | CrocoJet | I am curious to know why my nvidia drivers do not works (using nvidia xfree86) |
| 23:59.08 | interbird | Gnea: But why is the print-plugin then removed? -- rendering Gimp unable to print ? |
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| 23:59.53 | Gnea | interbird: probably because it's already in unstable, see if there's a backport |
