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| 00:02.00 | MobyTurbo | capu: -vo x11 |
| 00:02.16 | MobyTurbo | capu: or use the binary drivers that chances are your card needs |
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| 00:03.08 | Flimzy | Is anyone here aware of coin-operated hardware to interface with a Linux PC for the purpose of building a coin-operated jukebox? |
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| 00:04.52 | person_ | whois person |
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| 00:06.26 | MobyTurbo | Christopher-: didn't we tell you to use "su"? |
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| 00:08.44 | shingouz | Flimzy: if it is going to be a one-off hack i think your best bet would be to find some coin-op thing you can rip the lock off and use it on the computer. if you are planning on building more of them i think google should be able to point you to lock manufacturers |
| 00:08.50 | hexxeh | MobyTurbo, somebody mentionned it was possible to turn off GDM's root-lock, after all the secure advice about root. you should know by now what happens |
| 00:08.57 | zirikili | hi all... I have a problem here... I am using sarge with firebird but when the users starts to work the dabase the fbserver proccess goes to 99% ... any help ? |
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| 00:09.29 | MobyTurbo | hexxeh: we told him several times about su and sudo... |
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| 00:10.09 | Flimzy | shingouz: This will be a one-time thingie. If it works well, I may look into more easily reproducable systems. |
| 00:10.10 | hexxeh | MobyTurbo, yes, we did, but that wasn't the "convenient" answer. time & time again, people ignore the good advice for the bad advice |
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| 00:10.29 | shingouz | Flimzy: hit your local recycler then might be your best bet |
| 00:10.40 | MobyTurbo | hexxeh: don't blame me, I didn't tell him how to modify gdm's settings. :-) |
| 00:10.47 | Flimzy | shingouz: What kind of interface do those things typicaly have? |
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| 00:11.06 | Flimzy | shingouz: serial? or proprietary? |
| 00:11.36 | shingouz | Flimzy: i am not an expert on those things but afaik they are just switches. on/off things that are operated with the coin |
| 00:11.41 | hexxeh | Flimzy, JAMMA! |
| 00:11.52 | Flimzy | shingouz: I need something more complex than on-off for a jukebox. |
| 00:12.07 | zirikili | any trick about firebird cpu 100% consumes? |
| 00:12.11 | shingouz | Flimzy: why is that? |
| 00:12.19 | Flimzy | shingouz: B/c each song is a different length |
| 00:12.20 | capu | Can someone help me with a command? I'm wanting to copy multiple files from one directory, to another folder? What command should I use for this? I was trying to work it out with ln, but got nowhere |
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| 00:12.39 | shingouz | Flimzy: as long as you can see that you have a coin inserted you tell the software to play one song |
| 00:12.41 | Flimzy | shingouz: "On for 3 minutes" wouldn't work very well b/c some songs are 2 mins, some are 6 |
| 00:12.48 | vladster | good evening all, could someone please guide me is a way to get the title being played for at tune on a streamcast rather than just the station? |
| 00:12.50 | Christopher- | As I was trying to say -- su/sudo didn't work for me |
| 00:12.50 | Flimzy | shingouz: oic |
| 00:13.00 | Christopher- | it said no such account |
| 00:13.02 | MobyTurbo | capu: cp |
| 00:13.13 | capu | can u give me an example ? |
| 00:13.17 | Flimzy | shingouz: Most jukeboxes also offer various tiers of service. $.50 = 1 song, $1.00 = 3 songs, etc |
| 00:13.21 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 00:13.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:13.24 | Flimzy | shingouz: altho that may not be a requirement for a first project |
| 00:13.33 | MobyTurbo | capu: man cp |
| 00:13.37 | capu | ok |
| 00:14.07 | Flimzy | shingouz: I guess if the on-off switch just sent an 'on' signal when a coin was inserted, the PC could take care of accumulating the number of 'on's received, and provide service accordingly? |
| 00:14.08 | hexxeh | Christopher-, god all fucking mighty. did you read? really, did you? '<hexxeh> Christopher-, you don't log into your dekstop environment as root. you log in as a regular user, open a terminal, and switch to the root user with "su"' |
| 00:14.09 | shingouz | Flimzy: not to mention that the coinlocks identify the coin for you. newer models may have some odd interface but i think google would be able to tell you more about them. try to find something that works only with one type of coins |
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| 00:14.20 | shingouz | Flimzy: something in that style |
| 00:14.28 | hexxeh | now that means LOG IN AS A REGULAR MOTHERFUCKING USER |
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| 00:14.54 | abrotman | or FATHERFUCKING |
| 00:15.03 | Christopher- | jesus christ I miss understood, it's not like I'm a seasoned veteran at this |
| 00:15.11 | Christopher- | I've got about 2 hours experience |
| 00:15.12 | shingouz | Flimzy: maybe a lock off a pressure washer or something? something real simple but electrical |
| 00:15.19 | RichiH | abrotman: kinky |
| 00:15.24 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:15.24 | vladster | that is Paternally Incestuous in Politeness Man speak |
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| 00:15.30 | bush | Christopher-: does that mean i can point at you and scream noob? |
| 00:15.32 | MobyTurbo | Christopher-: all the more reason to follow the instructions you're given |
| 00:15.34 | Flimzy | shingouz: that's a nice idea. |
| 00:15.41 | Flimzy | shingouz: thanks |
| 00:15.44 | Christopher- | I misread what you said |
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| 00:15.49 | Christopher- | I thought you said to log in as su/sudo |
| 00:15.49 | madclicker_ | is wikipedia.org down? |
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| 00:15.56 | abrotman | wasn't a bit ago |
| 00:16.01 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i foound something for you! |
| 00:16.09 | shingouz | Flimzy: as soon as you find some locks, make a not of the numbers and hit google, you may be surprised what google can find these days |
| 00:16.14 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: -ot |
| 00:16.21 | abrotman | madclicker: and works fine |
| 00:16.36 | Flimzy | shingouz: I've been googling for terms like "coin-operated jukebox" etc... found a few things. Mostly fancy things, tho. |
| 00:16.42 | hexxeh | i swear, my job would be so much easier if people and things did what i told them to |
| 00:16.43 | Flimzy | shingouz: and shot off a few e-mails to sales depts |
| 00:16.48 | madclicker_ | abrotman: i cant get to it :( |
| 00:16.53 | shingouz | Flimzy: but the old stuff is at the recyclers already :) |
| 00:17.03 | Flimzy | shingouz: aye |
| 00:17.12 | abrotman | madclicker: ok .. you should call MCI and tell them the core router imploded! |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: no? |
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| 00:18.00 | abrotman | why is he electric ? |
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| 00:18.09 | shingouz | Flimzy: i guess the easiest way to get that thing done is to just have a switch that can see one type of coin or at least just accept lets say 25c. turns on the power and you read the impulse and play one song |
| 00:18.13 | madclicker_ | abrotman: on it |
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| 00:18.45 | Flimzy | shingouz: Yeah, if I could get a switch that reads 25c, and sends a pulse on each coin, that would do what I need. |
| 00:18.51 | shingouz | abrotman: static electricity induced from the CRT i think |
| 00:18.57 | madclicker_ | which magazine would you guys suggest for linux? |
| 00:19.12 | FieldySnuts | one which holds 30 rounds |
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| 00:19.23 | nevyn_ | FieldySnuts: nice!! |
| 00:19.33 | HanClinto | pusling: Well, I tried to install GRUB to a floppy, then ejected the floppy halfway through, then went in and installed Lilo on the MBR instead (it let me after it had attempted GRUB), and now it's starting to boot. :) |
| 00:19.38 | madclicker_ | FieldySnuts: sweet |
| 00:19.51 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: you have made misunderstanding into a form of art :) |
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| 00:19.59 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: but it's something you might like! :) |
| 00:20.27 | person_ | i just updated my kernal, and now i can boot to either kernal from grub, can i remove the older kernal useing APT? |
| 00:20.38 | shingouz | !kernal |
| 00:20.38 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 00:20.49 | hexxeh | person_, yes, you can |
| 00:20.51 | person_ | ok |
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| 00:21.04 | person_ | making sure i wont hurt anythign |
| 00:21.05 | madclicker_ | kernal kernal shmelnal |
| 00:21.10 | person_ | anything |
| 00:21.14 | person_ | !kernal :) |
| 00:21.18 | FieldySnuts | !blame The EU |
| 00:21.22 | abrotman | ok .. well then |
| 00:21.24 | person_ | !kernal |
| 00:21.24 | shingouz | !mhb |
| 00:21.24 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 00:21.53 | hexxeh | Flimzy, get the coin mechanism from an old arcade machine. lots of places sell coin-op spares |
| 00:22.00 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: randtest is <reply> $randnick: hi. this is a test. |
| 00:22.00 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: okay |
| 00:22.05 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: randtest? |
| 00:22.05 | dpkg | Zv2S: hi. this is a test. |
| 00:22.09 | FieldySnuts | heh. that's cool |
| 00:22.15 | shingouz | hehe |
| 00:22.16 | hexxeh | Flimzy, plus, the interface for coin boxes is largely standard (or can be) - the JAMMA spec |
| 00:22.18 | RichiH | that is evil :p |
| 00:22.21 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget randtest |
| 00:22.21 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: i forgot randtest |
| 00:22.23 | FieldySnuts | yeah it is |
| 00:22.27 | FieldySnuts | it's what !blame uses |
| 00:22.31 | lewis | would a seconday e-mail server try to send e-mails to itself if the primary one was down? |
| 00:22.38 | Flimzy | hexxeh: okay |
| 00:22.41 | FieldySnuts | lemme try one more then i leave him alone |
| 00:22.47 | Flimzy | hexxeh: I'll google for JAMMA... thanks |
| 00:23.05 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: randtest is <action> beats $randnick with a baseball bat she obtained from $randnick, and accidentally hits $randnick instead |
| 00:23.05 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: okay |
| 00:23.09 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: randtest? |
| 00:23.19 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget randtest |
| 00:23.19 | shingouz | this channel is amazing, specs for coin-op locks.. :) |
| 00:23.20 | dpkg | i forgot randtest, FieldySnuts |
| 00:23.25 | hexxeh | Flimzy, most JAMMA info will be about building MAME cabinets |
| 00:23.26 | FieldySnuts | darn that'd be funny if it picked 3 random nicks |
| 00:23.36 | Flimzy | hexxeh: yup.. found that bit already. hehe |
| 00:23.41 | nevyn | MMMM jamma |
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| 00:23.51 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 00:23.52 | apt | Brits will one day stomp the IRA! |
| 00:23.52 | Flimzy | hexxeh: I should build one of those, too :) |
| 00:24.02 | hexxeh | i considered buying a JAMMA cab oncew |
| 00:24.04 | hexxeh | *once |
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| 00:24.30 | nevyn | I have a pub arcade table and two games |
| 00:24.45 | hexxeh | ooh. anything classic? |
| 00:24.48 | nevyn | tokyo aka scramble formation |
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| 00:25.18 | Farris1 | is there a kernel patch needed to allow processes to use more than 3GB of ram? |
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| 00:25.24 | nevyn | and a bad bootleg of ghosts and gobils |
| 00:25.32 | hexxeh | Farris1, get a 64 bit computer |
| 00:25.34 | nevyn | bleh s/gobils/goblins/ |
| 00:25.44 | Christopher- | How do I know which binary I should use? X.Org 6.8.0 or XFree86 4.3.0 for fglrx drivers? |
| 00:25.54 | Farris1 | hexxeh: Will take that into consideration, but it does not answer my question |
| 00:25.55 | shingouz | Christopher-: xfree |
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| 00:25.59 | hexxeh | Christopher-, xfree86 4.3.0 |
| 00:26.42 | Christopher- | Thank you |
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| 00:27.47 | vladster | Time fro pratice, Send my thanks to Greycat for the fix |
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| 00:28.20 | Christopher- | It's difficult switching operating systems for the first time, I'm sorry I didn't pay as good of attention as I should have :-X |
| 00:28.25 | Farris1 | hexxeh: Are you saying that I'm fucked unless I have a 64bit cpu? |
| 00:28.26 | shingouz | Farris1: have you checked what the kernel config says? i think it had a couple of different settings in it for the amount of ram. i haven't needed them because i still have computers in daily use that do not have even that much drive in them |
| 00:28.34 | qwerty | Are there any debs for sun-j2sdk 1.5? |
| 00:28.44 | Flimzy | hexxeh: What is the physical interface used by JAMMA? |
| 00:29.06 | shingouz | Farris1: not too sure about the limits of 32-bit boxen though.. that could be a problem too |
| 00:29.10 | drac | qwerty: No, but you can create your own. /msg dpkg java-package or/and /msg dpkg java |
| 00:29.24 | madclicker_ | how can i prevent pop users from leaving messages on the server? |
| 00:29.31 | hexxeh | Farris1, yes. yes i am. |
| 00:29.41 | drac | qwerty: contrib and non-free in sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install java-package, man make-jpkg |
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| 00:30.10 | qwerty | drac thanks |
| 00:30.21 | abrotman | hexxeh: there's 4GB for x68-32 |
| 00:30.25 | shingouz | !tell qwerty about install java |
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| 00:30.43 | hexxeh | abrotman, that's addressible memory, not usable by a single process, iirc |
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| 00:30.47 | nevyn | madclicker_: that's an interesting question... |
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| 00:31.00 | Farris1 | hexxeh: Is this documented anywhere? |
| 00:31.07 | madclicker_ | nevyn: thanks |
| 00:31.18 | abrotman | hexxeh: i don't think that's a hardware limitation .. blame linus |
| 00:31.32 | hexxeh | abrotman, no other os can do it |
| 00:31.57 | shingouz | this begins to sound like the 640k again |
| 00:31.57 | abrotman | hexxeh: i didn't say they could .. but ideally it should be possible |
| 00:32.03 | hexxeh | abrotman, large memory on x86 is a dirty, dirty hack. then agai, dirty memory hacks was part of the initial pul of 8008 |
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| 00:33.04 | pipeline | hexxeh: You mean the 8088. The 8008 was so early that there was no relative scale for something to be dirty. |
| 00:33.11 | bwest | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.14 | abrotman | hexxeh: yes it is |
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| 00:33.49 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: was the 8008 the same more or less as the 8080? |
| 00:33.51 | hexxeh | pipeline, yes, that's what i meant. my typing is worse than abysmal tonight |
| 00:34.12 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: The 8080, 8088, and 8086 are all very similar. The 8008 less so. |
| 00:34.23 | mfrisch | is the sarge netinstall worth upgrading...mine is mounths old? |
| 00:34.31 | shingouz | mfrisch: yes it is |
| 00:34.37 | Flimzy | mfrisch: It's always worth upgrading. |
| 00:34.48 | mfrisch | shingouz whats new? |
| 00:34.50 | Flimzy | mfrisch: If there's an upgrade available, it's for a reason :P |
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| 00:35.01 | ColonelKernel | mfrisch, I dont know abot upgrading but its the easiest damn install in the known universe |
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| 00:35.03 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: I've never done anything with an 8008, never even seen one, so I can't tell you much more. |
| 00:35.05 | jim | mfrisch: if you're running debian now, you don't need a netinstall to upgrade, at all. |
| 00:35.06 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: the 8080 was a 8 bit chip of whom the Z-80 was a superset. The 8086 was a 16 bit (internal only in the case of the 8088) with segmented memory and other misfeatures. |
| 00:35.22 | shingouz | mfrisch: make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list point to "stable" or "sarge", apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and you are set |
| 00:35.24 | Flimzy | mfrisch: apt-get update; apt-get -s install |
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| 00:35.30 | Flimzy | mfrisch: that tells you what's new |
| 00:35.36 | mfrisch | jim a co-worker wants linux |
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| 00:35.46 | plugwash | MobyTurbo why do you call segmented memory a misfeature |
| 00:35.47 | spoopin | MobyTurbo: and I still have an 8086 in the attic at my parents' house :) |
| 00:35.49 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: I've used a Z-80 with CP/M-80, no old 8080 though. |
| 00:35.50 | shingouz | mfrisch: install debian :) |
| 00:35.53 | plugwash | it seems rather a good idea to me |
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| 00:36.05 | MobyTurbo | plugwash: it is one as far as the 8088 is concerned. |
| 00:36.08 | mfrisch | shingouz allways :)~ |
| 00:36.18 | plugwash | MobyTurbo why? |
| 00:36.20 | shingouz | !beer mfrisch |
| 00:36.33 | magyar | how can i prevent pop users from leaving messages on the server? |
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| 00:36.39 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 00:36.39 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 00:36.41 | pipeline | plugwash: YOU write a non-trivial program for a segmented architecture and get back to us. Segmented memory is a curse. |
| 00:36.56 | jim | mfrisch: oh... well then sure, he can use netinstall from floppies (4 max I think, 2 min) or minimal cd that just has the base and the installer udebs, or from cd 1 |
| 00:37.03 | greyson | magyar: Weren't you just asking that question with a different name? |
| 00:37.03 | MobyTurbo | plugwash: the 8088 seiries until the 80386 which allowed adjustable segments limited segments to 64K. |
| 00:37.13 | jim | I think there are also other options |
| 00:37.43 | mfrisch | jim is there a flash img |
| 00:37.46 | ecobit | oh man, some guy here where i work never turns off his monitor at night. it has a shadow of the the win nt login window permanently burned into it |
| 00:37.47 | jim | mfrisch, probably his best bet is to get a cheapo older machine to install on |
| 00:38.00 | magyar | greyson: yeah, i was working from a XP box, and the irc client sucks balls |
| 00:38.03 | jim | mfrisch: ther's a 128mb usb stick image |
| 00:38.04 | hexxeh | i don't "get" why POP3 users would effectively treat it like IMAP |
| 00:38.10 | ColonelKernel | I have segmented memory and it works, of course its in my brain and not my computer and comes from too much pot smoking, but what was I saying? |
| 00:38.15 | plugwash | i always thought it was a clever system to allow blocks up to 64K without forcing every block to be 64K |
| 00:38.25 | mfrisch | jim do you dd it ? |
| 00:38.29 | greyson | magyar: Ah -- I don't think anyone had an answer to that one... |
| 00:38.37 | MobyTurbo | plugwash: even more clever is flat memory. ;-) |
| 00:38.42 | jim | I guess so; I never did it myself, nor did I read how |
| 00:38.52 | greyson | magyar: Any reason? Seems like a draconian measure to put on the users... |
| 00:38.53 | magyar | greyson: bahh, |
| 00:38.58 | mfrisch | jim Thanks |
| 00:38.59 | FieldySnuts | !blame pop3 users |
| 00:39.00 | mrplum | I am trying to mount my USB floppy and what I see in the logs is this: |
| 00:39.00 | mrplum | device not accepting address 118, error -71 |
| 00:39.05 | Flimzy | magyar: so get a better irc client? |
| 00:39.06 | mrplum | what's that mean |
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| 00:39.08 | plugwash | MobyTurbo yeah flat memory has avantages it does mean much bigger pointers thuogh |
| 00:39.19 | mfrisch | shingouz thanks |
| 00:39.20 | hexxeh | !lart pop3 users |
| 00:39.26 | shingouz | yw |
| 00:39.36 | ColonelKernel | Yum , urine |
| 00:39.42 | ColonelKernel | got any feces? |
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| 00:39.51 | shingouz | !camelsmite ColonelKernel |
| 00:39.52 | jim | fences? |
| 00:40.22 | MobyTurbo | plugwash: most pre-386 real mode software had to do hacks in order to address more than 64K code and 64K data. |
| 00:40.26 | magyar | greyson: i have problems with users who are fiddling around with settings. Than after receiving several tousand duplicates they complain to me. Have you tried deleting tousands of emails in any MS mail clients? |
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| 00:40.58 | jim | plugwash:: and some of those hacks involved hardware paging that was "manually" controlled |
| 00:41.03 | magyar | Flimzy: i am using Icechat on XP and it is a bit sucky |
| 00:41.06 | greyson | magyar: Hehe... Yeah, that's a problem... silly users. |
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| 00:41.22 | plugwash | MobyTurbo true but where those hacks any more expensive than using 32 bit pointers everywhere would have been |
| 00:41.25 | plugwash | i doubt it |
| 00:41.41 | meppl | gute nacht - good night |
| 00:41.45 | hexxeh | magyar, why not use xchat? |
| 00:41.47 | magyar | greyson: yeah, I can't really blame them |
| 00:41.50 | mdh | magyar: XP has always been that way |
| 00:41.50 | jim | where those hacks? |
| 00:42.06 | jim | wat's that? |
| 00:42.36 | MobyTurbo | I never thought I'd see the day that people would praise the 8086's memory architecture. Perhaps its because they haven't programmed with it in a long time. |
| 00:42.41 | magyar | mdh: i whish i never have to use it, but i cant get some of the required apps to run on debian/wine |
| 00:42.48 | quittt | !pinhead |
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| 00:43.14 | Christopher- | hi |
| 00:43.16 | quittt | I dont wanna be a pinhead no more, I just met a nurse that I could go for, D-U-M-B all of you give to me!! |
| 00:44.19 | jim | MobyTurbo: it's taught as a mandatory arch in compiler writing courses as the worst possible case |
| 00:44.32 | jim | or is that intel in general? :) |
| 00:45.33 | magyar | is there a logitech multimedia keyboard manipulation software for linux? |
| 00:45.51 | mfrisch | magyar many |
| 00:46.10 | magyar | mfrisch: can you help a brother? |
| 00:46.32 | jim | mfrisch: so does your buddy have a spare machine that would otherwise have been thrown out or handed down? |
| 00:46.38 | MobyTurbo | jim: that doesn't surprise me |
| 00:46.39 | mfrisch | magyar give me sec |
| 00:46.48 | magyar | mfrisch: roger |
| 00:47.02 | jim | who the heck is roger? |
| 00:47.07 | FieldySnuts | !blaireau quittt |
| 00:47.08 | dpkg | ENOUGH! |
| 00:47.13 | mfrisch | jim I wish..I'm on a p3 500 |
| 00:47.13 | shingouz | jim: out's brother |
| 00:47.15 | magyar | jim: 10 -4 |
| 00:47.23 | jim | 6? |
| 00:47.29 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: dachs quitttt |
| 00:47.29 | shingouz | ten four |
| 00:47.30 | dpkg | quitttt: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 00:47.40 | magyar | eheheehehe |
| 00:48.00 | shingouz | jim: does CB ring a bell? |
| 00:48.10 | Guerout | shingouz: usually a staticky beep |
| 00:48.13 | jim | Able baker charlie to roger fox dog... do you read over? |
| 00:48.24 | jim | (hey, someone's talkin bad about roger!) |
| 00:48.30 | FieldySnuts | fox one fox two |
| 00:48.36 | mfrisch | magyar xbindkeys works and has a gui |
| 00:48.38 | magyar | on my way |
| 00:48.45 | shingouz | Guerout: true. i used to goof around with CB way back when. neat nick today btw |
| 00:48.46 | Flimzy | mfrisch: why would you want a p3 500? |
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| 00:48.51 | FieldySnuts | roger, Roger. What's out vector, Victor? |
| 00:49.02 | FieldySnuts | do we have clearance, Clarance? |
| 00:49.07 | Guerout | shingouz: i'm on my breaker box at work rather than shelled into my home pc |
| 00:49.09 | mfrisch | Flimzy you use what you can get... |
| 00:49.15 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: 13-1 |
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| 00:49.25 | Guerout | just don't ask kenneth what the frequency is |
| 00:49.25 | Flimzy | mfrisch: I get much more than I can ever use |
| 00:49.50 | mfrisch | Flimzy :)~ |
| 00:49.52 | jim | shingouz: which bell? |
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| 00:50.05 | shingouz | jim: are you serious? |
| 00:50.17 | jcole | how do i make 'cp' copy *exactly*... sym links, perms, etc. |
| 00:50.19 | jim | I'm actually an extra-class ham :P |
| 00:50.25 | Guerout | jcole: cp -a |
| 00:50.43 | Flimzy | jcole: man cp |
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| 00:50.53 | shingouz | jim: i thought you had to be kidding ;) |
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| 00:51.03 | FieldySnuts | jcole: not use cp, use rsync instead (look at the -a and -d flags) |
| 00:51.13 | HanClinto | Hrm. Wierd error |
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| 00:51.24 | HanClinto | "Errors were encountered while processing: locales" |
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| 00:52.03 | HanClinto | Further down... "en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file 'en': No such file or directory." |
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| 00:52.10 | Guerout | HanClinto: dpkg -P localsed && aptitude install locales |
| 00:52.39 | Guerout | s/localsed/locales/ |
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| 00:52.42 | HanClinto | What does that do? |
| 00:52.49 | HanClinto | (thankyou, btw) |
| 00:53.07 | ethics | haha only 15 hours till etch installs hehe |
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| 00:53.24 | Guerout | HanClinto: purges the package 'locales' and reinstalls it. There's a bug in the current sid package which makes it fail. |
| 00:53.26 | mfrisch | ethics I'm sorry |
| 00:53.31 | Guerout | HanClinto: are you using sid? |
| 00:53.47 | ethics | dial up is the bomb... |
| 00:53.59 | FieldySnuts | !bomb dial up |
| 00:54.06 | jim | installs locales package only if dpkg -P locales returns "success" exit status |
| 00:54.11 | plugwash | anyone know any good linux equivilents of the windows charactor map tool? |
| 00:54.25 | HanClinto | Guerout: No, etch |
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| 00:54.30 | plugwash | i wan't to look at what the greek letter phi looks like in all the fonts on my system |
| 00:54.39 | chealer | isn't sid's version sarge's? |
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| 00:55.04 | jim | chealer: no, sid is permanently unstable |
| 00:55.27 | Guerout | HanClinto: oh, ok. |
| 00:55.27 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 00:55.28 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 00:55.34 | chealer | jim: ...I was speaking about locales |
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| 00:56.17 | jim | chealer: oh, I see |
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| 00:56.56 | ethics | dont suppose theres a way to make apts download smallest first? |
| 00:57.13 | FieldySnuts | ~wank |
| 00:57.14 | apt | This dick's for hire, even if it's just wanking in the dark |
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| 00:57.18 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 00:57.36 | greyson | ethics: I think it does it in order of "most depended on" |
| 00:57.40 | jim | well that wouldn't make sense because the smallest wouln't necessarily be installable yet |
| 00:57.52 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: if you show up at debconf, will you take dpkg with you? :p |
| 00:58.03 | plugwash | Ethics note that apt downloads everything first then installs everything anyway |
| 00:58.14 | Christopher- | for 'man mount' I'm not sure what it means by 'dev' and 'dir', would I put "mount -t NTFS Windows C:" |
| 00:58.18 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite shingouz |
| 00:58.18 | ravenbird | shingouz: cheerio mate |
| 00:58.20 | FieldySnuts | weak |
| 00:58.22 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 00:58.34 | HanClinto | Hrm. ISO-8859-1 or ISO-8859-15 (Yes, I'm a stupid american if that helps you know which one I should pick) |
| 00:58.35 | shingouz | not me, i need z's |
| 00:58.43 | ethics | i just want to see more aactivity on the screen 8) |
| 00:58.55 | Flimzy | ethics: then install a screen saver |
| 00:58.56 | HanClinto | (I'm setting up my locales) |
| 00:58.59 | jim | Christopher-: there are these special "block" files that refer to drivers, they're in /dev |
| 00:59.18 | tovella | i'm looking for a way to get notified whenever certain keywords are added to a web page. |
| 00:59.18 | tovella | ...any ideas? |
| 00:59.27 | Christopher- | Thank you :) |
| 00:59.34 | shingouz | ooo.. i am tempted... |
| 00:59.36 | ethics | Flimzy i cant im installing guis etc atm heheh i have xchat-text and base system |
| 00:59.41 | shingouz | !any ideas |
| 00:59.41 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little WD-40, and a handful of sex-crazed weasels. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 00:59.51 | FieldySnuts | i knew someone else would do it, so I didn't |
| 01:00.03 | shingouz | you know me too well |
| 01:00.36 | Flimzy | ethics: apt-get install bsd-games; rain |
| 01:00.37 | shingouz | ok, sleep mode for me |
| 01:00.38 | tovella | dpkg: ideas about how to get notified whenever certain keywords are added to a web page. |
| 01:00.38 | dpkg | tovella: that's too long |
| 01:00.50 | jim | so instead of "windows c:" (which doesn't even know which partition it really is on the disk), you might say something like "/dev/hda3" which we're pretending for this example is where your ntfs could be |
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| 01:01.02 | ethics | flimzy hehe nah ill just go home or somethign hehe |
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| 01:01.10 | tovella | dpkg: too long? how do you mean? |
| 01:01.20 | shingouz | dpkg: what are you |
| 01:01.20 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:01.24 | shingouz | :) |
| 01:01.30 | jim | Christopher-: understand that part moreorless? |
| 01:01.47 | mrplum | Error ****Jun 21 20:42:37 localhost kernel: usb 6-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71*** when I try and insert my usb floppy, any ideas what's happening? |
| 01:01.48 | Christopher- | X_x Not really |
| 01:01.57 | jim | it's somewhat vague, and for the moment that's on purpose |
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| 01:02.07 | jim | ok, here's the exact deal... |
| 01:02.08 | FieldySnuts | @any ideas |
| 01:02.09 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and 42 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 01:02.32 | nunez | how about I use the font "/home/nunez/.fonts/DarkGardenMK.ttf" with xterm? |
| 01:02.46 | Christopher- | its hard to read in this at 800x600 in huge gaim window |
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| 01:02.47 | jim | Christopher-: there was a time when intel machine HDs were never partitioned; not invented yet |
| 01:02.58 | FieldySnuts | consider using a real irc client |
| 01:03.27 | HanClinto | Hrm, wierd error: "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory", and it gives me that error for LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL as well. |
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| 01:03.47 | jim | Christopher-: maybe that was when the big professional-use drives were a whopping 10 mb |
| 01:03.55 | jim | understand so far? |
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| 01:04.08 | tovella | any ideas about how to get notified whenever certain keywords are added to a web page? |
| 01:04.22 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: heh. another opportunity |
| 01:04.22 | darkgamer20 | what is the command to reconfigure x |
| 01:04.25 | darkgamer20 | ??? |
| 01:04.27 | mfrisch | HanClinto is there localconf in etch |
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| 01:04.43 | ethics | tovella: as in the metatags? |
| 01:04.45 | Christopher- | so, my windows NTFS is in /dev/hda1/ |
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| 01:04.54 | FieldySnuts | !lart ntfs |
| 01:05.03 | n0cturnal | hey guys.. is there an equiv of /sbin/nologin in debian? or a way to only allow users ftp access? i'm using proftpd and have tried /bin/false but still no luck |
| 01:05.06 | jim | Christopher-: perhaps, yes |
| 01:05.11 | HanClinto | mfrisch: Not sure -- is it a package that I could check for? |
| 01:05.12 | Christopher- | I put mount -t NTFS /dev/hda1 ? |
| 01:05.33 | darkgamer20 | hey guys what is the command to reconfigure xfree86? |
| 01:05.33 | mfrisch | HanClinto its a debconf frontend... |
| 01:05.35 | jim | you're missing the "mount point" but as much as you have is right |
| 01:05.38 | tovella | ethics: i don't know about metatags, I want to know whenever the word "computer" is added to a sales website |
| 01:05.39 | darkgamer20 | i really need it |
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| 01:06.15 | HanClinto | mfrisch: Not sure how to check -- /me is extremely new to Debian. :) |
| 01:06.20 | Christopher- | X_X Well, what is the mount point? |
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| 01:06.34 | jim | man mount and see what that means |
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| 01:07.19 | HanClinto | darkgamer20: http://www.linuxmigration.com/quickref/window/config.html |
| 01:07.21 | HanClinto | Does that help? |
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| 01:07.36 | hexxeh | huh? |
| 01:07.36 | MobyTurbo | !drxx darkgamer20 |
| 01:07.37 | dpkg | darkgamer20: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:07.43 | hexxeh | !win MobyTurbo |
| 01:07.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, MobyTurbo! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 01:07.45 | ethics | tovella: need more information on how these "comuter" words are displayed...id expect your not going to have much luck tho as it most likely with have a DB on the backend which is feeing the templates |
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| 01:08.01 | jim | you can have my spam! I don't like spam! |
| 01:08.11 | tovella | ethics: i think just regular text. |
| 01:08.12 | MobyTurbo | great, I'm Jewish, I can't even eat spam |
| 01:08.13 | mfrisch | HanClinto apt-get install localeconf |
| 01:08.26 | HanClinto | mfrisch: Okay, I'll try that. Thx. :) |
| 01:08.41 | kelan | MobyTurbo: why not? it isnt meat |
| 01:08.42 | jim | how's that? |
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| 01:09.04 | MobyTurbo | kelan: it's made out of assorted pig parts, it's meat |
| 01:09.14 | kelan | thats just what they *say* |
| 01:09.20 | magyar | mfrisch: this xbind software is the BOMB! |
| 01:09.35 | jim | fsvo meat... it's at least -organic material-... |
| 01:09.39 | quittt | do you know a alternative artist that played with a violion and a clean eletric guitar? he suicied |
| 01:09.40 | jim | or maybe not... |
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| 01:09.42 | mfrisch | magyar yp |
| 01:09.44 | fus3 | ? |
| 01:09.46 | quittt | do you know his name? |
| 01:09.58 | FieldySnuts | who cares? |
| 01:10.05 | chealer | dpkg does |
| 01:10.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, does is the present third singular of do |
| 01:10.07 | Gskillet | Can anyone lead me in the right direciton on setting up a Bluetooth USB dongle to work on Linux? |
| 01:10.20 | jetx | is am are was were do does did |
| 01:10.22 | kelan | FieldySnuts: it has to do with debian, obviously. thats why you should care |
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| 01:10.25 | chealer | well, I didn't expect he'd care that much |
| 01:10.32 | FieldySnuts | @lart kelan |
| 01:10.38 | HanClinto | quittt: Are you talking about Kurt Cobain? |
| 01:10.50 | jetx | kurt was a looser |
| 01:10.52 | quittt | HanClinto, he suicied in 80s I think |
| 01:10.56 | kelan | kurt cobain played violin? that would surprise me |
| 01:10.59 | jetx | hence the looser |
| 01:11.07 | kelan | do you mean loser? |
| 01:11.15 | kelan | looser isnt a noun |
| 01:11.16 | jetx | i mean retarded idiot |
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| 01:11.21 | HanClinto | kelan: It would surprise me too, but he was the only high-profile alternative rock star suicide I could think of. :) |
| 01:11.21 | kelan | heh |
| 01:11.22 | quittt | ok ok |
| 01:11.26 | quittt | do you know? |
| 01:11.34 | jim | google might |
| 01:11.38 | HanClinto | quittt: Kurt Cobain would fit the timeframe. He was in the band Nirvana |
| 01:11.42 | kelan | quittt: are you on some kind of call-in show or something? |
| 01:11.54 | quittt | kelan, no... I really dont know his name |
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| 01:12.08 | quittt | HanClinto, I know who is Kurt Cobain and that his is from Nirvana |
| 01:12.15 | quittt | but it isnt he |
| 01:12.17 | MobyTurbo | the head of "inxs" committed suicide too |
| 01:12.19 | quittt | jim, I already googled |
| 01:12.32 | jim | well Jimmy Page played gibsons with a violin bow... but he's alive afaik |
| 01:12.40 | jetx | and that he cried "i can't take it anymore i'm rich successful and have a wife and kid! i'm gonna check out! |
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| 01:13.46 | fus3 | ? |
| 01:14.20 | quittt | it isnt Jimmy Page |
| 01:14.39 | fus3 | who is jimmy? |
| 01:14.45 | magyar | mfrisch: it gets tricky when i have "play/pause" key |
| 01:14.52 | jim | some guitar player |
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| 01:15.07 | jim | played in some rock band, led zeppelin |
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| 01:15.28 | mfrisch | magyar I think logitech borks key assignment |
| 01:15.43 | Warp4 | Hi all. Trying to build KOffice but getting the following error when running ./configure: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 01:16.01 | K_Dallas | Warp4, you need dev packages for X11 |
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| 01:16.12 | jim | Warp4: you'll need the -dev part of the x libs |
| 01:16.16 | Warp4 | K_Dallas ok what package do I need to apt-get? |
| 01:16.18 | K_Dallas | when you build on your own, you need lots of headers and libraries |
| 01:16.23 | K_Dallas | let me check |
| 01:16.30 | jim | Warp4: packages.debian.org |
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| 01:16.40 | trave11er | Warp4: are you building from the debian source package? |
| 01:16.49 | Warp4 | No. |
| 01:16.54 | Warp4 | Downloaded it from the koffice.org website. |
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| 01:17.11 | K_Dallas | Warp4, try libx11-6 and libx11-dev |
| 01:17.20 | jvw | Warp4: why not use the debian package? |
| 01:17.21 | jim | and look at the messages that come out of your configure output |
| 01:17.34 | jvw | Warp4: the debian maintainer already found out all of this... |
| 01:17.47 | magyar | mfrisch: i didn't catch that, sorry |
| 01:17.50 | jetx | xlibs-dev |
| 01:17.53 | jetx | iirc |
| 01:17.55 | jim | and so that means he can't learn himself?! |
| 01:18.11 | Warp4 | libx11-dev wasn't found but the other one was. Thanks :) |
| 01:18.25 | jvw | Warp4: you can look at the debian package's build-depends |
| 01:18.25 | jim | the debian maintainer found out... that's pretty much orthogonal |
| 01:18.28 | K_Dallas | Warp4, try xlibs-dev too as jetx has said |
| 01:18.29 | jvw | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/koffice |
| 01:18.37 | Warp4 | jvw I am doing this because I am trying to learn all this stuff :) |
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| 01:19.09 | jvw | Warp4: if you're building stuff on your own to learn, it's often easier to start with small programs |
| 01:19.10 | K_Dallas | (i dont see an xlib on my synaptic) |
| 01:19.11 | mfrisch | magyar I have a old other keyboard and it needs the keyboard map changed for all the multi keys to work. no thanks! |
| 01:19.14 | jvw | not a big beast like koffice |
| 01:19.32 | jvw | K_Dallas: xlibs-dev is old |
| 01:20.02 | jetx | it's there |
| 01:20.03 | chealer | I have to do some maths exercices...does looking at the answers help? |
| 01:20.07 | K_Dallas | that is why i dont see it :) |
| 01:20.11 | jetx | yes chealer it does |
| 01:20.16 | jetx | helps what though... |
| 01:20.27 | K_Dallas | chealer, sure but then you lose one important thing |
| 01:20.28 | nunez | are there any other games like America's Army for linux? |
| 01:20.31 | Warp4 | Ok, once more question :) |
| 01:20.33 | Warp4 | one* |
| 01:20.35 | jim | Warp4: jvw has a really good point with the smaller packages... the smallest and most instructive is gnu hello |
| 01:20.40 | chealer | jetx: I knew it! I'll ask #maths to do them next time |
| 01:20.42 | Christopher- | Battle Field 2 comes out tomorrow |
| 01:20.42 | jetx | nunez: enemy territory |
| 01:20.44 | jim | get it, unpack it, READ ALL FILES |
| 01:20.48 | Christopher- | It's like america's army |
| 01:20.50 | K_Dallas | chealer, the thing you lose is that you never get the opportunity to be creative! |
| 01:20.51 | jvw | there are also small X packages |
| 01:21.09 | jetx | bf2 costs $ though, et is free |
| 01:21.11 | jim | -excellent- intro to building, and also various forms of packaging |
| 01:21.11 | Warp4 | The Qt libs. I have asked about this once before when I compiled Kmess but forgot the apt-get package name for it :) |
| 01:21.33 | Warp4 | small console modem program but it built :) |
| 01:21.41 | jetx | qtlibs-dev maybe, apt-cache search qt |grep -i dev |
| 01:21.42 | mdh | are there any DM's here prepared to sponsor a looney like me? |
| 01:21.45 | kelan | alone, listless |
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| 01:21.54 | kelan | breakfast table in an otherwise empty room |
| 01:22.02 | chealer | nunez: what do you mean by "like America's Army"? |
| 01:22.11 | mfrisch | Warp4 I want AMP debs please!! |
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| 01:22.14 | kelan | chealer: i think he means a sucky war game |
| 01:22.17 | jetx | a war game fps that you shoot guns in? |
| 01:22.27 | jim | doom |
| 01:22.32 | jetx | oh, you want sucky, don't d/l et |
| 01:22.45 | kelan | jetx: is it a war game? |
| 01:22.58 | jetx | kelan: et? go to idsoftware.com |
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| 01:23.17 | nvz | I have just installed cupsys and hpijs on sarge, I went to localhost:631 and configured my printer, but I cannot get it to print a testpage. only way I can get it to repond is by echoing shit to /dev/lp0 |
| 01:23.37 | jetx | nvz it's a usb hp printer then right? |
| 01:23.52 | nvz | jetx: its an HP Deskjet 693C |
| 01:24.03 | jetx | is it connected with a usb cable? |
| 01:24.03 | kelan | jetx: war games are sucky |
| 01:24.09 | nvz | jetx: no, parallel |
| 01:24.22 | jetx | nvz hpoj. hpijs is usb only iirc |
| 01:24.30 | mfrisch | nvz hpijs is really worth getting new |
| 01:24.30 | kelan | jetx: did you get your nick from the saturday morning cartoon run? |
| 01:24.35 | jim | so first you have to make sure you can use the parallel port |
| 01:24.41 | kelan | they have some pretty sweet shows |
| 01:24.49 | jetx | kelan: jetscreamer, and yes it's from the jetsons |
| 01:25.03 | nvz | all I know is the linuxprinting site said it works perfectly with hpijs |
| 01:25.04 | chealer | I thought hplip was the one USB-specific |
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| 01:25.17 | jetx | nvz iirc hpijs is usb only |
| 01:25.20 | jim | so first you have to make sure you can use the parallel port |
| 01:25.23 | chealer | hpoj, hplip, hpijs...and that's just for HP :/ |
| 01:25.28 | jetx | go to linux.hp.org |
| 01:25.38 | jetx | errr |
| 01:25.40 | jetx | .com |
| 01:25.41 | chealer | jetx: I think you're confusing hpijs with hplip |
| 01:25.45 | mfrisch | nvz brb.. mine too :( |
| 01:25.46 | jetx | maybe |
| 01:25.55 | nvz | http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_693C |
| 01:25.56 | Warp4 | ok having problems finding it here. anyone know what the package name for the gtk headers is by any chance? |
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| 01:26.13 | magyar | mfrisch: i have this fency "volume control wheel" can i make it function with the sound mixer? |
| 01:26.14 | jetx | all i know is only hpoj works with paralell, or is it my paralell |
| 01:26.20 | jetx | parallel? |
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| 01:27.08 | mfrisch | nvz what ppd does it say to use? |
| 01:27.08 | magyar | wikipedia is still down :( |
| 01:27.14 | jetx | linux.hp.com , make sure |
| 01:27.15 | jim | Warp4: packages.debian.org |
| 01:27.19 | chealer | "At this time, printing, scanning, and photo-card access are supported on most models, when either connected to the parallel port or USB" |
| 01:27.19 | jetx | bbl |
| 01:27.24 | kelan | !gtk-dev |
| 01:27.24 | dpkg | 'apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev' |
| 01:27.32 | mfrisch | magyar I would hae no idea. |
| 01:27.36 | Warp4 | thanks |
| 01:27.53 | chealer | magyar: really? |
| 01:28.01 | magyar | mfrisch: np |
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| 01:28.05 | jim | Warp4: if you're trying to learn this stuff, GO to the site I told you |
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| 01:28.18 | chealer | #wikipedia est : Status: Routing problems - down for some, up for others |
| 01:28.23 | magyar | chealer: i've been trying to hope on for the past hour |
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| 01:28.34 | jim | if you're learning how to be dependent on people and use their time when you don't have to, keep doing what you're doing. |
| 01:28.51 | magyar | chealer:An error occurred while loading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page: |
| 01:28.58 | nvz | you would be wrong HP OfficeJet Linux driver (hpoj) This software provides Linux support for most "multi-function" peripherals from Hewlett-Packard, including OfficeJet,LaserJet, Printer/Scanner/Copier ("PSC"), and PhotoSmart printer products. |
| 01:28.59 | kelan | jim: if everyone listened and learned, we wouldnt have anyone asking unnecessary questions any more |
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| 01:29.17 | jim | kelan: my comment still stands |
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| 01:29.29 | kelan | you'll me out of a job! |
| 01:29.32 | kelan | be |
| 01:29.37 | nvz | well never mind I guess I need both |
| 01:29.39 | jim | I cited the site, he ignored, I cited again, he ignored again... |
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| 01:29.54 | jim | so I got impatient and told him how it is. |
| 01:30.04 | monchy | hey guys, is there a way i can install sarge without KDE? searched on google and came up empty |
| 01:30.07 | hellz_hunter | is there any special parameters i have to add to get debian to install on a hp netserver, since it is scsi based, i dont know hwo to work with scsi and google isnt turning up much |
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| 01:30.14 | helltiger | guten morgen |
| 01:30.17 | greyson | Is there a way to tell what process is listening on a port? |
| 01:30.17 | helltiger | noch wer fit ? |
| 01:30.18 | chealer | monchy: yes, do the default install |
| 01:30.36 | helltiger | is here english only ? |
| 01:30.46 | zumbi | what is the written name for "@" in english ? |
| 01:30.46 | jim | yes |
| 01:30.48 | monchy | ok, thanks :) |
| 01:30.50 | helltiger | ok sorry |
| 01:30.54 | jim | np |
| 01:31.03 | Hatter | Hello everyone, noob to this channel, but have a question.... please :) |
| 01:31.10 | jim | what's your native language, or preferred language? |
| 01:31.12 | helltiger | i have a question about the filesharing service "gIFT" |
| 01:31.15 | chealer | zumbi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_at |
| 01:31.16 | zumbi | Hatter, please ask |
| 01:31.17 | K_Dallas | Hatter, just ask |
| 01:31.44 | helltiger | how much files in there |
| 01:31.49 | helltiger | btw wich art of files |
| 01:31.53 | Hatter | Compiling Qmail, on Sarge, qmail-local.c: In function `temp_fork': |
| 01:31.53 | Hatter | qmail-local.c:37: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 01:31.53 | Hatter | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 01:31.53 | Hatter | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 01:31.53 | Hatter | See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions. |
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| 01:32.00 | zumbi | thanks chealer |
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| 01:32.19 | Hatter | sorry I flooded |
| 01:32.19 | jim | Hatter: that's not a question... it's a flood :P |
| 01:32.25 | helltiger | hm |
| 01:32.27 | jim | what's the question? |
| 01:32.42 | helltiger | wich and how much files in there =) |
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| 01:32.46 | Hatter | I have just had a problem compiling qmail on Sarge, |
| 01:32.54 | Hatter | the error as follows : |
| 01:33.07 | trave11er | Hatter: don't paste it |
| 01:33.09 | jim | helltiger: what's your native language, or preferred language? |
| 01:33.13 | Hatter | qmail-local.c:37: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 01:33.13 | helltiger | ger |
| 01:33.18 | helltiger | my english suxx |
| 01:33.35 | Hatter | I did this the day before on another server, and had no problem |
| 01:33.36 | trave11er | Hatter: where does this qmail source come from? |
| 01:33.37 | jim | there is a german channel |
| 01:33.37 | helltiger | anybody german here ? for an short query ? =) |
| 01:33.40 | greyson | helltiger: Besser vieleicht in #debian-de |
| 01:33.40 | jim | !de |
| 01:33.40 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 01:33.40 | zumbi | Hatter, gcc --version |
| 01:33.42 | Hatter | GCC-3.3 |
| 01:33.45 | helltiger | danke |
| 01:33.49 | jim | welcome |
| 01:34.03 | helltiger | bischen wenig los da |
| 01:34.05 | Hatter | the source comes from the qmailrocks.org website |
| 01:34.05 | zumbi | Hatter, did you check bugtracking system ? |
| 01:34.16 | Hatter | the same source I d/l'ed the day before |
| 01:34.18 | jim | not that you have to leave here... but you might be more comfortable asking there |
| 01:34.20 | zumbi | Hatter, try to use gcc-2.95 |
| 01:34.22 | Hatter | on the other system |
| 01:34.36 | trave11er | Hatter: can you give the exact url for tarball, and build options you used? |
| 01:34.57 | trave11er | Hatter: if there is really a gcc bug in sarge, it's definitely worth reporting |
| 01:35.20 | Hatter | sure - wget http://www.qmailrocks.org/downloads/qmailrocks.tar.gz |
| 01:35.21 | greyson | jim: he's got a point -- there are three people in -de -- and he and I are two of them. |
| 01:35.35 | Hatter | unusual part is - i did it the day before, on a near identical server |
| 01:35.43 | jim | greyson: well that's a different problem :) |
| 01:35.59 | trave11er | Hatter: your system is pure sarge? installed from scratch? nothing weird? |
| 01:36.04 | quitte | greyson: go to .de |
| 01:36.10 | Hatter | build options - nothing special - make setup check |
| 01:36.23 | chealer | Hatter: it always segfaults the same way? |
| 01:36.33 | trave11er | anyone running sarge can try and reproduce it please? |
| 01:36.49 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 01:36.49 | dpkg | hmm... anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:36.50 | Hatter | it was testing before the new sarge came out, then upgraded changing the sources to stable |
| 01:37.04 | trave11er | MobyTurbo: go test it then =) |
| 01:37.05 | greyson | quitte: Ah -- I see the difference. |
| 01:37.11 | Hatter | as per the other server, gcc -v produces the same result on both servers |
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| 01:37.39 | jimi | does anyone know where i can get the new debian business card installer from? |
| 01:37.51 | jim | !d-i |
| 01:37.51 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:37.55 | zumbi | !anyone |
| 01:37.57 | dpkg | anyone is, like, ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:38.27 | Hatter | chealer - yes, it always produces the same error |
| 01:38.29 | jimi | very witty, i am in awe |
| 01:38.40 | greyson | Hatter: I would recommend getting your qmail from http://cr.yp.to -- that's the only official site. |
| 01:38.57 | zumbi | Hatter, a work arround might be to use gcc-2.95, not sure |
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| 01:39.35 | greyson | Hatter: Or add 'contrib' and 'non-free' to your sources and search for qmail in aptitude |
| 01:40.02 | ethics | hatter is there something wrong with the debian package out of cui |
| 01:40.03 | trave11er | zumbi: it is not only a matter of finding a workaround, if there is really a reproducible gcc ICE, a bug should be filed |
| 01:40.05 | Hatter | greyson - yes, ok, I agree, but i scp'ed the tarball from the server I used the day before, to see if there was a problem in the download, and it produced the same error |
| 01:40.16 | ethics | cui=curiosity |
| 01:40.21 | jim | greyson: you can also get the debianizing patch for it, and its unaltered source |
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| 01:40.43 | zumbi | trave11er, i agree |
| 01:40.54 | greyson | jim: True -- but it's just a matter of conveinience with the debianized package. |
| 01:40.56 | greyson | :) |
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| 01:41.06 | nvz | bah, this printer is more trouble than its worth :P |
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| 01:41.28 | mfrisch | nvz which ppd does it say to use??? |
| 01:41.32 | jim | greyson: not quite... qmail is altered somewhat to fit FHS among other things |
| 01:41.46 | nvz | mfrisch: wtf is a ppd? |
| 01:42.02 | jim | printer driver of some sort |
| 01:42.02 | ethics | nvz: postscript print driver |
| 01:42.05 | Hatter | how do I choose to use gcc-2.95 with make when using - make install check ? |
| 01:42.25 | Guerout | Hatter: CC environment variable? |
| 01:42.32 | MobyTurbo | Hatter: CC=gcc-2.95 make install |
| 01:42.33 | jim | CC=gcc-2.95 make ... |
| 01:42.44 | Hatter | thanks, I will try |
| 01:42.44 | mfrisch | nvz goto the hp sourceforge page look up your printer. |
| 01:42.50 | ethics | hatter: was there anything wrong with the debian qmail package or your compiling for a reason? |
| 01:42.56 | Guerout | bah |
| 01:43.04 | Guerout | don't use qmail, use a real MTA |
| 01:43.09 | stew | ethics: which qmail package do you mean? |
| 01:43.14 | tcsetattr | configure qmail, more like echo gcc-2.95 > conf-cc |
| 01:43.25 | nvz | mfrisch: this says hpijs http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_693C, the hpijs driver says to use hpoj to talk to it if the printer is parallel |
| 01:43.25 | jim | qmail is nice to use for certain things |
| 01:43.30 | ethics | stew the one in apt.....non-free i think |
| 01:43.34 | Guerout | qmail is evil and bad and wrong |
| 01:43.48 | ethics | i vote with guerin on qmail btw.. |
| 01:43.50 | jim | what a blanket generalization :P |
| 01:43.53 | nvz | mfrisch: /etc/init.d/hpoj says it see's a Deskjet 690C on /dev/lp0 but cannot talk to it |
| 01:43.59 | Hatter | ethics - the qmailrocks.org is a howto involving a lot of additional software, spamassasin, clamav, patches, qmail-scanner, etc |
| 01:43.59 | Guerout | jim: based on cold, hard facts. |
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| 01:44.08 | ethics | jim: it sucks at spam etc.. |
| 01:44.26 | Warp4 | ethics yeah, i prefer and use postfix myself. |
| 01:44.35 | kelan | spam is good for you. builds character |
| 01:44.42 | nvz | mfrisch: my deskjet printer is apperently shy around office jet drivers |
| 01:44.42 | kelan | and its good fried |
| 01:44.43 | greyson | jim: as of sarge it gives you the choice. |
| 01:44.49 | nvz | mfrisch: hell if I know |
| 01:44.50 | Guerout | jim: by default it causes two bounce messages per spam which other mtas reject silently |
| 01:44.53 | ethics | warp4 im actually just about to start using exim4-heavy to replace this exchange server |
| 01:44.59 | chealer | trave11er: but how can someone with no clue about gcc make a useful bug report, particularly when it doesn't concern a (non-free) debian package? |
| 01:45.13 | zumbi | Hatter, you'll need to install the development libraries and headers |
| 01:45.13 | jim | how does it know a spam? |
| 01:45.18 | Warp4 | ethics yeah never could get exim4 to work :) i plugged in Postfix and everything started working :) |
| 01:45.18 | jim | and why two bounces? |
| 01:45.31 | Guerout | Hatter: it's not worth it. Qmail, even in the qmailrocks setup, is a fucking nightmare to maintain. Use exim or postfix in debian. |
| 01:45.39 | Warp4 | ethics built Pine 4.63 from source code and installed it and life has been good ever since :) |
| 01:45.43 | jim | I didn't know it had a builtin spam recognizer |
| 01:45.45 | Guerout | Hatter: I know this because I used it for a while. |
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| 01:46.31 | trave11er | chealer: if you can narrow it down to a reasonably small testcase, it's still a valid and useful bug report |
| 01:46.43 | Guerout | jim: it accepts mail, then decides if it wants to reject it. if it reject it, it 1) sends a bounce message to the envelope, which in the case of spam is false 100% of the time, and the recieving MTA 2) sends a bounce message |
| 01:46.45 | tcsetattr | you ned to patch qmail-smtpd to do rejections of nonexistent users, that takes care of most of the bouncing |
| 01:46.53 | trave11er | chealer: if the bug is tripped on non-free code, it does not mean that it cannot be tripped on free one :-) |
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| 01:46.59 | mfrisch | nvz get the latest source at sourceforge. It has updated printer files. It won't see it with hplip? |
| 01:47.00 | tcsetattr | unpatched qmail-smtpd is a nightmare |
| 01:47.01 | Guerout | jim: and god help us all if both MTAs are stock qmail |
| 01:47.07 | chealer | trave11er: maybe, but it doesn't look like he could do that |
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| 01:47.14 | trave11er | chealer: why not? |
| 01:47.18 | chealer | trave11er: sure |
| 01:47.36 | Guerout | jim: it has the same tools available to it as other mtas - except that it uses them AFTER smtp time, not during it |
| 01:47.36 | jim | why, they bounce-loop each other? |
| 01:47.43 | Guerout | jim: potentially. |
| 01:47.45 | chealer | trave11er: well, he didn't know how to try with gcc2 :? |
| 01:47.58 | nvz | mfrisch: I havent installed hplip |
| 01:47.58 | tcsetattr | now that's just a lie -qmail has good loop-prevention |
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| 01:48.03 | Hatter | guerot - ok i'll check it out, there's just a lot to replace, anti-spam, webmail, anti-virus, etc - I am familiar with qmail after using it for a few years |
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| 01:48.11 | Guerout | jim: if there are fuckups with the addressing |
| 01:48.16 | trave11er | chealer: what is needed is to identify a piece of code producing the bug and the command line options used |
| 01:48.20 | nvz | mfrisch: I just now tried to go to hp.sf.net and realized that is not maintained anymore, and hplip is the new project |
| 01:48.22 | hellz_hunter | anyone know how to get into the bios on an hp netserver? |
| 01:48.28 | trave11er | chealer: that's pretty trivial, i would say |
| 01:48.42 | ethics | hatter: exim4-daemon-heavy is spamassisn and clamav ready just needs some small setup.. |
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| 01:49.05 | mfrisch | nvz try that. It will give you a different address for the printer. |
| 01:49.05 | mdh | Hatter: setting up postfix with amavis and spamassassin is trivial |
| 01:49.09 | Hatter | ethics - and webmail ? |
| 01:49.15 | chealer | trave11er: for someone that knows the language, I guess |
| 01:49.29 | Guerout | Hatter: apt-get install a webserver and a webmail package, done. |
| 01:49.51 | Hatter | guerot: ok, I'll investigate |
| 01:49.56 | ethics | hatter thats hordse or something...not part of mailserver i dont think it just uses the storage directories...seperate issue |
| 01:50.11 | mdh | Hatter: for webmail the best way is to run an imap server, then install a webserver and webmail package like squirrelmail or something. |
| 01:50.38 | trave11er | chealer: well, i'll try to reproduce it now |
| 01:50.50 | chealer | nvz: hum, what was the project there? |
| 01:50.51 | trave11er | if i can make the chroot that is |
| 01:51.02 | chealer | trave11er: sure, as you want :) |
| 01:51.24 | ethics | is there a "way" to make exchange/outlook special folders work in imap or some protocol? ie calendar / tasks etc |
| 01:51.56 | Hatter | CC=gcc-2.95 make setup check - this produced the same error |
| 01:52.00 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.07 | ethics | replacing a exchange server but users use these folders...they donot however share them so |
| 01:52.10 | chealer | trave11er: tell me if it ends up being useful, so I know I'm a cluebie |
| 01:52.41 | trave11er | chealer: what ends up being useful? :-) |
| 01:52.52 | chealer | nvz: heh, but do you know what they produced? |
| 01:52.54 | Hatter | mdh: that is what i am using now, courier-imap and squirrelmail |
| 01:52.59 | chealer | trave11er: trying to reproduce |
| 01:53.24 | trave11er | chealer: if you run sarge, go ahead and try it |
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| 01:54.28 | chealer | trave11er: ugh, I was saying I thought it was spending time :-P |
| 01:54.40 | nvz | chealer: quit playing 21 questions with me. |
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| 01:54.43 | chealer | plus, as for everything, I don't have the skills |
| 01:54.56 | nvz | I am trying to get this printer working else throw it outside and fall asleep |
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| 01:55.34 | Hatter | zumbi: you metioned the development libraries and headers |
| 01:55.38 | trave11er | chealer: come on, it's just downloading a package, typing a couple of commands and checking whether it will blow up |
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| 01:55.41 | trave11er | =) |
| 01:55.42 | mfrisch | nvz apt-get install hplip hp-ppd |
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| 01:56.03 | chealer | trave11er: yeah...plus making sure it's not one of these other bugs |
| 01:56.08 | mborohovski | Gnea: ping |
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| 01:57.00 | trave11er | chealer: "other bugs"? |
| 01:57.28 | chealer | trave11er: GCC's other bugs... |
| 01:57.54 | josie | can anyone recommend anything to get my wireless device to automagically configure itself? |
| 01:58.14 | nvz | mfrisch: I installed hplip, and hp-probe says only USB is supported |
| 01:58.15 | trave11er | chealer: there should not be _that_ many bugs in sarge's gcc |
| 01:58.17 | mdh | Hatter: you can keep that setup with either exim4 or postfix |
| 01:58.19 | liable | what plugin do I need for an .asx video file in firefox? |
| 01:58.41 | ethics | mborohovski: so you know /msg dpkg seen gnea the ididle time ... |
| 01:58.46 | nvz | mfrisch: hp-probe -h "(Note: net, bt, fw, and par not supported) |
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| 01:59.14 | jim | josie: you mean like create a command or something like that that does the whole job |
| 01:59.47 | nvz | mfrisch: there is no package hp-ppd |
| 02:00.01 | chealer | trave11er: ok..then you win |
| 02:00.05 | josie | jim: I just want something to automate the task of bringing up my wireless. I have to connect to an access point that doesn't broadcast its essid, and it'd be nice if I didn't have to write a hack |
| 02:00.13 | nvz | mfrisch: only hpoj seems to work with parallel, and it detects it, but the printer isnt talking |
| 02:00.30 | jdhutchin1 | josie, you can add stuff to /etc/network/interfaces. Read about it in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ |
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| 02:00.47 | mwilson | josie: And the reason you don't do it the way the documentation describes would be...? |
| 02:01.07 | chealer | nvz: I have 2 HPs in a 2 meters radius around me...both are working fine :) |
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| 02:01.15 | josie | I don't suppose there's anything like in ***cringe*** windows where you can set up different profiles and have it try them in order until it is able to connect? |
| 02:01.36 | josie | mwilson: well... something a little more flexible would be nice |
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| 02:01.51 | Hatter | zumbi: are the development libraries you speak of these - libg++2.8.1.3-dev - ? |
| 02:01.52 | nvz | chealer: that does nothing to get this working |
| 02:01.58 | mfrisch | chealer mine too, will you tell him to get the ppd's |
| 02:01.59 | jim | josie: well obviously yes... you have all the power of unix/linux available to create anything you want |
| 02:02.00 | mwilson | josie: A moment ago you wanted to connect to a single access point. |
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| 02:02.24 | PapaDoc | evening all |
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| 02:02.41 | josie | mwilson: well, I was spouting that out because the hidden essid is a constraint on all of the sofware that I've looked at |
| 02:03.04 | johnnybezak | hey guys can you point me to towards how to update my kernel, i accidentally installed the 2.4, as I assumed 2.6 would be default :P |
| 02:03.04 | zumbi | Hatter could be that one |
| 02:03.24 | josie | NetworkManager looks really promising, but it won't even compile on any of the current available releases |
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| 02:03.34 | NewpZ | hi is there a way to make the launcher icons get huge like macosX does? ive seen it in themes but i dont know how to do it |
| 02:03.35 | chealer | johnnybezak: just install a 2.6 kernel image |
| 02:03.40 | prodope | i' |
| 02:03.44 | jim | johnnybezak: you are running sarge, and you installed successfully? |
| 02:03.48 | mwilson | NewpZ: "the launcher"? |
| 02:03.54 | Hatter | zumbi: after installing that one, same error |
| 02:04.01 | PapaDoc | stupid question...how to stop booting into the gui? changing the inittab didn't help |
| 02:04.04 | NewpZ | yeah like the icons on kickers |
| 02:04.07 | NewpZ | kicker |
| 02:04.07 | johnnybezak | chealer: jim yeah, I just need 2.6 for my tv card |
| 02:04.13 | prodope | i'm getting an error when i boot up about cleaning /tmpfind using -maxdepth... where is this configuration? i think it has something to do with find? |
| 02:04.23 | ethics | johnnybezak for future reference these like reames etc for most things in linux......you can apt-get install a new kernel image if you have trouble come back and we will help with the /dev changes if needed |
| 02:04.23 | jim | ok,,, then see: chealer |
| 02:04.23 | mwilson | PapaDoc: Good, since it's not supposed to. So you can put things back to run level 2 where they belong. |
| 02:04.44 | PapaDoc | no prob there...how to boot to cli instead? |
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| 02:04.48 | jimi | is there a kernel image that has acpi enabled? |
| 02:04.51 | johnnybezak | ethics: for future refernce what sorry? |
| 02:05.01 | mwilson | PapaDoc: Don't run a display manager. |
| 02:05.01 | jim | last one released with sarge (meaning never to offically increment its version again) is 2.6.8 |
| 02:05.05 | ethics | jimi all of them in 2.6 and some before |
| 02:05.19 | zumbi | Hatter, i dunno what headers and libs that you need :-/ |
| 02:05.26 | jimi | ethics: how come when i do modprobe it gives an error? |
| 02:05.35 | PapaDoc | mwilson: remove gdm from? |
| 02:05.37 | ethics | jimi: depending on what you want theres newer kernels with patches etc |
| 02:06.10 | jimi | ethics: i just want to be able to see how much battery is left on my laptop |
| 02:06.15 | jim | remove (easier) or disable (edit a config file) |
| 02:06.17 | mwilson | PapaDoc: If it's gdm you run. |
| 02:06.26 | ethics | johnnybezak: read the readmes before doing things 8).....linux26 at boot would have installed 2.6 |
| 02:06.39 | PapaDoc | mwilson: yes i do believe it is |
| 02:07.09 | ethics | johnnybezak: you can apt-get a new kernel but you may need to change some smaller settings... |
| 02:07.09 | FarrisG | what is this "bigmem" patch I see vaguely discussed in some old newsgroups? Supposedly it would bump your userspace RAM limitation from 3gb to 4gb. Anybody know anything about it? |
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| 02:07.34 | ethics | farris: kernel compile option for over |
| 02:07.34 | jim | ethics: but that's not to imply he has to reinstall... |
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| 02:07.51 | FarrisG | My dilemma is that we have some gate-level sims that are going to require much more than 3GB of RAM. We can run some that will use fewer than 4 while we determine if we'll have to buy some opterons or something for the full sims |
| 02:07.51 | NewpZ | like this |
| 02:07.51 | NewpZ | http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=153&file1=153-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Acqua |
| 02:07.57 | johnnybezak | ethics: haha yeah, assumptions are the mother of all f*ck ups :P |
| 02:08.17 | NewpZ | see the aim/icq icon? :) |
| 02:08.22 | NewpZ | how do i do that? |
| 02:08.25 | mwilson | NewpZ: And you run KDE? |
| 02:08.29 | ethics | farris: just compile your own kernel for them. |
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| 02:08.40 | NewpZ | mwilson: uhh yeah |
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| 02:09.01 | mwilson | NewpZ: You have my sympathy. |
| 02:09.02 | eranj | How do I force debian enabling ACPI? |
| 02:09.03 | FarrisG | ethics: I'm willing to do this, but I don't have enough information to know what options I need to compile to allow this |
| 02:09.24 | PapaDoc | sorry...but which file do I remove gdm from? |
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| 02:09.43 | abrotman | !highmem |
| 02:09.43 | dpkg | it has been said that highmem is what you should enable if you have a Gig of RAM and Linux claims you only have 900MB. See http://lists.kernelnotes.de/linux-kernel/Week-of-Mon-20010514/004675.html |
| 02:09.45 | jim | PapaDoc: you're running debian, right? dpkg --help |
| 02:09.54 | PapaDoc | thanks |
| 02:09.56 | ethics | can someone give farrisg the link to debian kernel making...... |
| 02:10.03 | abrotman | !tell FarrisG about kp |
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| 02:10.08 | abrotman | !tell FarrisG about kp mantra |
| 02:10.22 | abrotman | !tell FarrisG about a real computer |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'a real computer'. |
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| 02:10.37 | jim | what's the diff between the mantra and nonmantra versions? |
| 02:10.44 | ethics | farrisg: the howto will get you most of what you need but in the menu for kernel config just look around it was 1 option only i beleive but |
| 02:10.46 | abrotman | jim: it's just a guideline thingie |
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| 02:10.48 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 02:10.49 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 02:10.51 | abrotman | see |
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| 02:11.05 | ethics | mfarrisg i havent built the 4Gb to confirm only 1 exta flag |
| 02:11.07 | abrotman | jim: notice .. no config |
| 02:11.09 | NewpZ | mwilson: a simple, "i dont know" would be better than trying to get into a who runs the better window manager debate |
| 02:11.09 | FarrisG | ethics: Thanks. I know how to compile a kernel. My problem is I cannot find this supposed option |
| 02:11.24 | eranj | What is the command for choosing apt sources? I forgot |
| 02:11.26 | jim | yes, I see |
| 02:11.31 | jim | thanks |
| 02:11.36 | FarrisG | abrotman: real computer? |
| 02:11.37 | PapaDoc | gona try that and see what else I can bork up.....be back if needed thanks |
| 02:11.38 | dondelelcaro | eranj: run apt-setup; or $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:11.41 | mwilson | NewpZ: Allow me to point out that I have absolutely no interest in such a debate. It was merely a statement of fact. |
| 02:11.45 | abrotman | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
| 02:11.46 | ethics | farrisg: in the menu stuff its there for sure....just browse the options |
| 02:11.56 | eranj | 10Q, haven't seen this on man |
| 02:11.59 | abrotman | NewpZ: it's certainly not you :) |
| 02:11.59 | bogun | there is no one alive in #debianppc, I am trying to install sarge on powerbook 3400c, I can get it to boot into the kernel, load the ramdisk, and start the installer and other stuff from the cd, but I have only one partition HFS, which i don't want to mess with, until i can find a resizer or find out how good the hardware in that particular notebook is supported? would anyone here have any idea? |
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| 02:12.31 | jim | no, it was a statement of your opinion |
| 02:12.33 | dondelelcaro | bogun: I'm not aware of any HFS resizing software |
| 02:12.46 | FarrisG | abrotman: Ok, so it's HIGHMEM, not bigmem... I actually do have CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y in my current kernel |
| 02:12.56 | NewpZ | heh.. ive run gnome for ages.. kde is a bit differnt, cool in some ways sucks in others *cough qt *cough |
| 02:12.56 | mwilson | It was my opinion that he had my sympathy? That's an odd way of looking at it. |
| 02:12.57 | bogun | dondelelcaro: would you have any idea about how well pb3400c is supported under debian? |
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| 02:13.00 | dondelelcaro | bogun: your best bet is to rip the data off of that drive, reformat it with multiple partitions, and stick the data back on. |
| 02:13.04 | eranj | How do I force enabling ACPI? |
| 02:13.05 | abrotman | FarrisG: yes .. but it's prbably set to 4GB . which doesn't seem to work for you for some retarded reason |
| 02:13.07 | jim | and done in the most condescending manner you could muster |
| 02:13.22 | jim | but what's new about that? |
| 02:13.22 | dondelelcaro | bogun: it should be resonably well supported, but I personally haven't tried it. |
| 02:13.24 | jim | nothing |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | !cotton candy jim |
| 02:13.29 | bogun | ok, thanks |
| 02:13.37 | dondelelcaro | bogun: try asking in #debianppc, someone there probably knows better. |
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| 02:13.56 | ethics | meran: it is enabled.... |
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| 02:14.17 | jim | you're a liability in here; you have been for years. THAT is a statement of MY opinion, but I believe it as factual. |
| 02:14.33 | eranj | How do I find out my SDRam's speed? couldn't find it with lshw |
| 02:14.38 | ethics | meran : what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:14.51 | mwilson | eranj: Take it out and look at it, of course. |
| 02:15.00 | S_tormy | where do i tell debian to start a program on startup ( acpid ) |
| 02:15.04 | eranj | Are u sure it's written? |
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| 02:15.06 | abrotman | eranj: your BIOS might help |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | !tell eranj about u |
| 02:15.17 | fuag | alright!!! |
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| 02:15.24 | fuag | actually installed debian this time |
| 02:15.25 | jim | thanks for sparing me :) |
| 02:15.25 | S_tormy | ? |
| 02:15.25 | fuag | lol |
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| 02:15.35 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 02:15.35 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 02:15.37 | dondelelcaro | S_tormy: acpid should start automatically on boot when you install acpid |
| 02:15.41 | S_tormy | ok |
| 02:15.46 | dondelelcaro | S_tormy: it comes with its own init.d script. |
| 02:15.47 | MindUrBzns | hi |
| 02:15.52 | S_tormy | yea i see it in there |
| 02:15.53 | fuag | how do I install the nvidia drivers though, apt-cache search nvidia only turns up nvtv |
| 02:16.01 | S_tormy | i didn't know if there was an enable/disable conf file somewhere |
| 02:16.02 | mwilson | I thought it was "greycat kills a kitten..." ? |
| 02:16.08 | fuag | are nvidia-settings and nvidia-glx in the apt-get system? |
| 02:16.10 | eranj | can you be more specific about the bios? |
| 02:16.11 | MobyTurbo | fuag: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:16.14 | MindUrBzns | where can i get the bootlogd daemon (bootlogd) ? |
| 02:16.22 | dondelelcaro | S_tormy: no... the configuration is done by symlinks (unless you've got rcfile) |
| 02:16.33 | ethics | mwilson randomized with a list |
| 02:16.41 | chealer | MindUrBzns: you most likely have it already |
| 02:16.45 | mwilson | ethics: Ah. |
| 02:16.50 | chealer | !tell MindUrBzns about bootlogd |
| 02:17.01 | chealer | fuag: you must be missing non-free sources |
| 02:17.06 | ethics | mwilson one of those /xxx/xxx/xxx/xxx ones that i cant make hehe |
| 02:17.12 | fuag | yeah |
| 02:17.22 | fuag | my sources.list only has 3 entries |
| 02:17.46 | MobyTurbo | fuag: you don't need more enteries, just append contrib and non-free to each line |
| 02:17.54 | fuag | cool |
| 02:17.55 | fuag | brb |
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| 02:18.05 | eranj | Where can I download Gnome 2.10 compiled for debian 686? |
| 02:18.15 | ethics | meran: sid |
| 02:18.24 | abrotman | no |
| 02:18.30 | mwilson | ethics: No, the correct answer is "nowhere". |
| 02:18.35 | ethics | meran or wait a few days and itll prob |
| 02:18.41 | abrotman | ethics: it doesn't exist |
| 02:18.53 | jim | eranj: probably it's in experimental, you should wait awhile or try building it yourself |
| 02:18.57 | ethics | abrotman: umm ?? |
| 02:19.00 | abrotman | it doesn't exist |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | gnome2.10 is in sid |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | but not compiled for 686 |
| 02:19.08 | ethics | abrotman: i run it at home |
| 02:19.13 | fuag | ^ ^ thnx, hmm.. does this mean I need to emerge nvidia-kernel as well now? |
| 02:19.18 | abrotman | not compiled for 686 though |
| 02:19.20 | eranj | So you mean there's no chance to find out a built package? |
| 02:19.24 | jim | oh, right, it's not compiled for 686 |
| 02:19.30 | fuag | I've never messed with nvidia-kernel |
| 02:19.34 | abrotman | eranj: not an official one |
| 02:19.39 | ethics | abrotman ahh ok but does it need i686 versioning? |
| 02:19.47 | MobyTurbo | eranj: other than the kernel and libc, there's little to no speed improvement in CPU specific code |
| 02:20.05 | mwilson | ethics: He asked specifically for one compiled for i686. |
| 02:20.06 | jim | ethics: you mean optimized for 686... and probably not |
| 02:20.14 | abrotman | Ether_Man_: what is i686 versioning ? |
| 02:20.14 | eranj | Is unofficial that bad? |
| 02:20.19 | fuag | theres a way to tell debian to give you i686 packages |
| 02:20.22 | fuag | didn't think there was |
| 02:20.27 | abrotman | eranj: not supported here .. can't file bugs .. mostly . not worth it |
| 02:20.29 | fuag | their all 386 compiled, right? |
| 02:20.29 | eranj | MobyTurbo, got ya |
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| 02:20.41 | abrotman | they're |
| 02:20.49 | abrotman | ethics even |
| 02:20.50 | jim | eranj: probably not... but unofficial is also unsupported... DO NOT ask here; you'll be officially tarred and feathered :P |
| 02:20.51 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:20.54 | ethics | mwilson: umm depends how you read it....for 686 may mean that will work on a 686 style system..... |
| 02:20.57 | MobyTurbo | eranj: GNOME performance is mostly a function of your disk and video card speed |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | Ether_Man_: what is i686 versioning ? .. yeah .. meant for ethics |
| 02:21.03 | abrotman | stupid tab complete |
| 02:21.04 | eranj | jim: sorry |
| 02:21.10 | ethics | mwilson but point taken |
| 02:21.12 | jim | I don't mean now :) |
| 02:21.14 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: not so much video |
| 02:21.17 | jim | your question is fine |
| 02:21.22 | jim | what I meant was... |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: soon though from what i can tell |
| 02:21.44 | eranj | MobyTurbo: all I'm looking for is a few clicks sharing folders function |
| 02:21.50 | ethics | abrotman: as in compiled for seperate archs |
| 02:21.53 | mwilson | ethics: I am reminded to see whether the current package breakage in unstable is still going on... selective updates are getting old. |
| 02:21.56 | jim | if you come up with problems in some unofficial thing, you'd have to figure out a place other than here to ask about it |
| 02:22.04 | eranj | I saw it on KDE and it looks very easy |
| 02:22.07 | MobyTurbo | eranj: what does that have to do with 686 binaries? |
| 02:22.22 | abrotman | eranj: what does that have to do |
| 02:22.24 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 02:22.26 | abrotman | !beer MobyTurbo |
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| 02:22.37 | eranj | MobyTurbo: for a compability with my pentium 3 downloads machine |
| 02:22.46 | magyar | wikipedia is still down :( |
| 02:22.56 | abrotman | eranj: but 386 packages are compatible |
| 02:23.01 | MobyTurbo | eranj: and 386 is incompatable with your hardware in what way? |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | magyar: it hasn't been |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | magyar: works perfectly fine for me |
| 02:23.16 | stew | magyar: /topic #wikipedia |
| 02:23.36 | eranj | MobyTurbo: I thought 686 will be better because I saw that my kernel is 686 |
| 02:23.41 | jim | mwilson: statistically guessing, it will get much worse before it gets better... maints typically don't upload at the right time, or the package doesn't get thru the ftp with other packages that need it, etc etc... you know that deal I'm sure |
| 02:23.42 | magyar | abrotman: it keeps timing out on my side |
| 02:23.50 | James_Ward | stew, m-a method worked great! |
| 02:23.52 | mwilson | jim: Sure. |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | magyar: you didn't want to learn anyway |
| 02:23.57 | stew | James_Ward: glad to hear it |
| 02:24.01 | abrotman | James_Ward: you've just finished that ? |
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| 02:24.05 | MindUrBzns | is there any untility that logs what scrols on screen while booting, other than the buged bootlogd and dmesg ? |
| 02:24.06 | James_Ward | stew. Thanks a lot! |
| 02:24.26 | mwilson | jim: I generally just update what I care about in any case... I've not decided what to do yet about Gnome in unstable depending on dbus. |
| 02:24.35 | James_Ward | abrotman, No, I've taken my son to swim class and had dinner since. :-) |
| 02:24.36 | ethics | mwilson: im running etch and just pulling a copuple of things from sid early so i dont really know too mucxh about movements in sid atm |
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| 02:24.43 | abrotman | James_Ward: thank god .. i was worried |
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| 02:25.09 | abrotman | good thinking |
| 02:25.12 | James_Ward | abrotman, My machine may be slow, but it's not THAT slow! ;-) |
| 02:25.16 | abrotman | i know almost as much |
| 02:25.19 | abrotman | James_Ward: heh ok |
| 02:25.34 | gravity | What's an easy way of turning a directory full of .debs in to an apt repo? |
| 02:25.43 | virgomoon | Is there a X terminal app that supports copy/paste (from the clipboard)? |
| 02:25.44 | James_Ward | abrotman, I'm at home on my Inspiron 9100 now. |
| 02:25.53 | eranj | I can't find out which is the best apt mirror for me, could u help? |
| 02:25.54 | jim | gravity: man apt-ftparchive |
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| 02:25.56 | abrotman | James_Ward: eww . dell |
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| 02:26.00 | gravity | virgomoon: gnome-terminal |
| 02:26.03 | jim | man dpkg-scanpackages |
| 02:26.03 | gravity | jim: Thanks |
| 02:26.07 | jim | man dpkg-scansources |
| 02:26.08 | mwilson | virgomoon: xterm, rxvt, gnome-terminal, konsole, mltern, etc, etc, etc |
| 02:26.10 | abrotman | eranj: apt-spy |
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| 02:26.27 | James_Ward | abrotman, Yeah, I feel that way now too. But I can't throw it away! :-) |
| 02:26.32 | virgomoon | mwilson: they all do? really? I'll check them out, thanks. |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | James_Ward: you can .. just a big waste though |
| 02:26.39 | virgomoon | I'm on aterm right now |
| 02:26.45 | eranj | abrotman: what is apt-spy? |
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| 02:26.53 | stew | !apt-spy |
| 02:26.53 | dpkg | i heard apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' |
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| 02:27.02 | James_Ward | abrotman, Works pretty well under unbuntu. |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | !unbuntu |
| 02:27.37 | eranj | abrotman: How do I get this apt-spy? |
| 02:27.44 | abrotman | !installit |
| 02:27.45 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 02:27.45 | MindUrBzns | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.46 | MindUrBzns | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.48 | tzafrir_laptop | I'm trying to use a minimal php/pgsql script. apache1, sarge |
| 02:27.55 | eranj | sorry for nagging ya'll. just trying to figure out stuff |
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| 02:28.11 | jim | MindUrBzns: emacs in shell mode? |
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| 02:28.19 | jim | MindUrBzns: screen? |
| 02:28.29 | deadcat | set -o emacs ? |
| 02:28.34 | MrKeuner | hi, I have double entries in the debian sub menu in the gnome-panel. how can I correct it? |
| 02:28.36 | tzafrir_laptop | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: pg_connct() in /var/www/test.php on line 2 |
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| 02:28.46 | zumbi | what is the module i need to load in order to get CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2=m to work ? |
| 02:28.49 | tzafrir_laptop | php4-pgsql is installed |
| 02:28.52 | jim | MindUrBzns: did you just paste that question? it looks like it, because it came out on two lines... fix that |
| 02:28.59 | ethics | mrkeuner: what gnome version? |
| 02:29.03 | deadcat | zumbi: psmouse |
| 02:29.06 | tzafrir_laptop | any idea what may be the problem? |
| 02:29.06 | MrKeuner | 2.10 |
| 02:29.10 | zumbi | tahnks deadcat |
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| 02:29.18 | j_k | tzafrir_laptop: (guessing) missing -dev package ? |
| 02:29.21 | tzafrir_laptop | emacs is the default shell mode |
| 02:29.28 | eranj | Where do I put a startup command like acpi=force? |
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| 02:29.37 | tzafrir_laptop | dev package? I'm not trying to build anything |
| 02:29.39 | ethics | mrkreuner: you can't atm.... |
| 02:29.54 | ethics | meran: in grub i think |
| 02:29.54 | j_k | tzafrir_laptop: (guessing) missing e ? |
| 02:29.59 | tzafrir_laptop | very brave vi folks can try set -o vi |
| 02:30.00 | stew | tzafrir_laptop: i'm guessing you need to add or uncomment an extention= line in the php.ini |
| 02:30.02 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir_laptop: you haven't loaded the pg.so in your php.ini |
| 02:30.07 | kbrooks | i have a question |
| 02:30.08 | Progz | Hi. Did somebody find a way to install Ati 3d acceleration on a 86 64 ? |
| 02:30.08 | jim | tzafrir_laptop: evidently from the message, you are building something' |
| 02:30.18 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir_laptop: run php_info(); and make sure that that module is loaded |
| 02:30.20 | jim | tzafrir_laptop: what you posted here was a compiler error |
| 02:30.22 | j_k | tzafrir_laptop: or using a script language library. |
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| 02:30.35 | stew | Progz: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 02:30.49 | tzafrir_laptop | and debian doesn't do that. And no note about it in the non-existing README.Debian on php4-pgsql ! |
| 02:30.52 | jim | MindUrBzns: oh, while -booting-... sorry didn't read that |
| 02:30.56 | eranj | How can I get the latest kernel? couldn't find it on apt-cache |
| 02:30.56 | Progz | Thank Ste |
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| 02:31.09 | kbrooks | why does starting gpm output a error |
| 02:31.12 | deadcat | eranj: what version of debian you using? |
| 02:31.12 | dondelelcaro | eranj: download it from mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 02:31.26 | eranj | is it compiled? |
| 02:31.27 | j_k | tzafrir_laptop: you notices the message you posted contained "connct" instead of "connect" ? |
| 02:31.29 | jim | eranj: latest kernel binary available for sarge is 2.6.8 |
| 02:31.39 | deadcat | eranj: only source from kernel.org |
| 02:31.41 | j_k | tzafrir_laptop: is this a typo of your own or one in the script ? |
| 02:31.50 | eranj | won't help.I wanted .12 |
| 02:32.06 | eranj | how do I find out my debian version? uname? |
| 02:32.07 | deadcat | eranj: life is hard. |
| 02:32.12 | tzafrir_laptop | pg_connect is undefined as well |
| 02:32.22 | darkcmd | how is everyone doing? |
| 02:32.29 | jim | eranj: nothing else will work? you have HDs that are not otherwise supported? |
| 02:32.34 | deadcat | eranj: check /etc/apt/sources.list and look for either stable/testing/unstable/sarge/woody/etch/sid |
| 02:32.35 | abrotman | eranj: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:32.39 | mfrisch | :)~ |
| 02:32.42 | MrKeuner | ethics/ atm? |
| 02:32.49 | kbrooks | why does starting gpm output a error? error is: |
| 02:32.50 | darkcmd | eranj: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:32.52 | darkcmd | crap |
| 02:32.53 | eranj | 3.1 |
| 02:32.55 | jim | automatic teller machine |
| 02:33.02 | eranj | kewl |
| 02:33.04 | James_Ward | What can I use to show wireless signal if I'm not in gnome? |
| 02:33.08 | stew | eranj: .12 hasn't been packaged for debian yet |
| 02:33.12 | kbrooks | fake start-stop- |
| 02:33.13 | kbrooks | da |
| 02:33.14 | kbrooks | e |
| 02:33.14 | HanClinto | Hey all -- I'm using FluxBox -- what's a good system explorer tool (reminiscent of Windows Explorer)? |
| 02:33.18 | kbrooks | er |
| 02:33.22 | abrotman | HanClinto: xfe |
| 02:33.28 | stew | James_Ward: iwconfig ; cat /proc/net/wireless |
| 02:33.31 | HanClinto | abrotman: Thx |
| 02:33.32 | HanClinto | :) |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | thanks |
| 02:33.35 | eranj | stew: can u predict when it'll be released? |
| 02:33.35 | deadcat | eranj: you have 2.6.8, if you want the latest say 2.6.11 check packages.debian.org and search under unstable |
| 02:33.42 | stew | eranj: certainly not |
| 02:33.42 | deadcat | !u |
| 02:33.43 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:33.47 | spenser | hehe. It actually has something better than Windows Explorer |
| 02:33.50 | j_k | kbrooks: did your install finish ? |
| 02:33.51 | spenser | xterm |
| 02:33.55 | jim | eranj: wir |
| 02:34.13 | kbrooks | j_k: uh |
| 02:34.14 | ethics | 2.6.11 is in etch and sid atm 2.6.12 isnt in any atm |
| 02:34.18 | jim | Damnit deadcat! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:34.39 | kbrooks | lol |
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| 02:34.50 | jim | annouing isn't it |
| 02:34.53 | j_k | kbrooks: I mean, that's a fake command which is substituted during the installation, to prevent daemons from starting during the install. |
| 02:34.57 | eranj | deadcat: will .11 be stable soon? |
| 02:34.59 | spenser | u r a funny guy lol!!11 |
| 02:35.02 | JeffH | anyone here use postgrey? How do I view the triplets that are in its database? |
| 02:35.02 | kbrooks | very. |
| 02:35.08 | stew | eranj: never |
| 02:35.13 | kelan | should i eat chocolate, banana, or butter pecan ice cream? |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | jim: you should change your 'i' to a spanish i` thingie |
| 02:35.15 | kbrooks | j_k: well, how do i fix it? |
| 02:35.17 | stew | eranj: new packages never enter stable |
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| 02:35.25 | jim | that's not my name |
| 02:35.27 | abrotman | jim: but nooone woudl ever be able to match you :) |
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| 02:35.31 | deadcat | eranj: 2.6.8 is the last stable for sarge unless you compile it yourself. |
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| 02:35.33 | dondelelcaro | jim: you know you can disable the hilight for that specific string... |
| 02:35.35 | abrotman | jim: change the factoid ? |
| 02:35.36 | eranj | stew: I'll guess I'll drop it,right? |
| 02:35.38 | abrotman | or that |
| 02:35.45 | eranj | meant I guess |
| 02:35.45 | j_k | kbrooks: what does "dpkg -l cdebootstrap\*" give ? |
| 02:35.46 | jim | I can? |
| 02:35.53 | stew | eranj: drop what? |
| 02:35.55 | dondelelcaro | jim: if you're using irssi, sure. |
| 02:36.03 | jim | abrotman: everyone whined and called the ops on me :) |
| 02:36.04 | kbrooks | j_k: did you made a typo? |
| 02:36.13 | kbrooks | make* |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | jim: did i whine ? |
| 02:36.17 | j_k | kbrooks: the c is there, if that's what you wonder. |
| 02:36.21 | eranj | Getting the new kernel |
| 02:36.23 | jim | claimed I was destroying the factoids |
| 02:36.27 | abrotman | you did! |
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| 02:36.32 | dondelelcaro | the factoid actually predates jim being in the channel. |
| 02:36.34 | jim | no, I replaced it |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | jim: it was horrible! |
| 02:36.35 | j_k | kbrooks: d-i uses a new version of debootstrap coded in c, called cdebootstrap. |
| 02:36.38 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 02:36.38 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 02:36.42 | abrotman | no channel for that ? |
| 02:36.49 | kbrooks | j_k: ok |
| 02:36.52 | deadcat | eranj: if your friend ask if you have teh latest kernel or not, just lie and say you have 2.6.12 |
| 02:36.52 | eranj | stew: do u know how to force acpi enable? |
| 02:36.53 | jim | dondelelcaro: sure about that? :) |
| 02:36.57 | abrotman | !tell eranj about u |
| 02:37.06 | spenser | agghhh. It's taking forever to compile mplayer |
| 02:37.07 | eranj | sorry again |
| 02:37.09 | eranj | meant you |
| 02:37.10 | stew | eranj: no |
| 02:37.13 | dondelelcaro | jim: almost certainly. |
| 02:37.14 | abrotman | !tell spenser about mplayer |
| 02:37.15 | jim | dondelelcaro: :P I predate all the BOTS being in the channel :P |
| 02:37.27 | jim | check your facts bub :P |
| 02:37.36 | abrotman | !seen jim |
| 02:37.37 | dpkg | jim is currently on #debian (1d 19h 16m 27s). Has said a total of 12557 messages. Is idling for 10s |
| 02:37.37 | eranj | stew: I'll explain something and maybe you'll know |
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| 02:37.46 | darkcmd | !mplayer |
| 02:37.47 | dpkg | mplayer is, like, not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 02:37.51 | kbrooks | j_k: ZERO |
| 02:37.53 | dot | heyhey |
| 02:37.59 | spenser | i know mplayer isn't included. thats why I'm compiling it. |
| 02:38.04 | tzafrir_laptop | bah. I indeed needed to edit php.ini. Bad point for Debian. This is something that has "Just worked" for Mandrake and RH I've tried in the past |
| 02:38.04 | dondelelcaro | jim: well, your nick isn't registered, nor where you around when I first came here. |
| 02:38.05 | darkcmd | where are marillats server? |
| 02:38.08 | dot | i got a problem with patching the kernel |
| 02:38.09 | abrotman | spenser: yes .. but marillat makes packages |
| 02:38.12 | stew | spenser: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:38.13 | dot | cat:/usr/src/linux-2.6.12# patch -p1 <patch-2.6.12 |
| 02:38.13 | dot | dot patching file CREDITS |
| 02:38.13 | dot | dot Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] |
| 02:38.13 | j_k | kbrooks: okay, and "ls /sbin/start-stop-daemon*" shows two version, right ? |
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| 02:38.15 | abrotman | !tell spenser about marillat |
| 02:38.19 | dot | what can i do ? |
| 02:38.20 | eranj | stew: I think it called boot argument or something? where do I enter it? |
| 02:38.21 | abrotman | !tell darkcmd about marillat |
| 02:38.25 | jim | dondelelcaro: yes it is :P again, CHECK YOUR FACTS. |
| 02:38.35 | thomas_adam | dot: Try changing your -p value, or leaving it out. |
| 02:38.38 | stew | eranj: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 02:38.38 | dondelelcaro | jim: you aren't +e now. |
| 02:38.42 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i had pasties! |
| 02:38.43 | spenser | thats cool. I appreciate it, but I don't mind compiling. I used slackware for years ;) |
| 02:38.46 | kbrooks | YES 2 |
| 02:38.51 | jim | actually never mind... |
| 02:38.52 | spenser | It's just taking longer than it should |
| 02:38.55 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Ah, of the Cornish variety? :) |
| 02:38.56 | eranj | stew: Almost sure it's grub. How do I check? |
| 02:38.57 | kbrooks | j_k: yes 2 |
| 02:38.59 | jim | !moron dondelelcaro |
| 02:38.59 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: You are moron #62 |
| 02:39.07 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i suppose .. onions,potatos,beef |
| 02:39.07 | dot | change to what ? p1 ? p0 ? |
| 02:39.22 | j_k | kbrooks: then move the one which ends with ".real" (or something such) over the one with no suffix. |
| 02:39.26 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i didn't make them .. also had yummy brats :) |
| 02:39.28 | thomas_adam | abrotman: That's right. Tell me, they _weren't_ of the *mince* variety... |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i don't htink so ... |
| 02:39.47 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Steak? |
| 02:39.47 | stew | eranj: head /dev/hda | strings ; where /dev/hda is the device you boot from |
| 02:40.07 | j_k | kbrooks: (be careful) |
| 02:40.11 | dot | is linux-2.6.12 need the patch-2.6.12 ? |
| 02:40.19 | thomas_adam | dot: Hmm? |
| 02:40.26 | kbrooks | j_k: then? |
| 02:40.30 | abrotman | thomas_adam: like .. cheesesteak meat ... |
| 02:40.32 | dot | does linux-2.6.12 need the patch-2.6.12 ? ? |
| 02:40.42 | jim | dot: stop repeatign |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | dot: and ask #kernel |
| 02:40.53 | ethics | stable should have it already |
| 02:40.54 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yup, they're proper pasties by the sounds of it. What did you think of them? |
| 02:41.04 | j_k | kbrooks: then it's fixed, try starting xdm. |
| 02:41.14 | eranj | stew: I got some strange output |
| 02:41.14 | j_k | kbrooks: (or whatever you were trying to start) |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | thomas_adam: oh .. i've had them many times .. my mom used to make them ... |
| 02:41.18 | dot | i am in debian ,i want to update debian to 2.6.12 ! |
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| 02:41.23 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 02:41.23 | stew | eranj: you should see either GRUB or LILO in there |
| 02:41.31 | thomas_adam | dot: You're not making much sense. |
| 02:41.37 | JeffH | how can I dump the contents of a Berkley DB file? |
| 02:41.46 | thomas_adam | JeffH: cat, strings, ... |
| 02:41.53 | abrotman | thomas_adam: let me find the website |
| 02:41.55 | kbrooks | dot: can't update debian to "2.6.12" |
| 02:42.09 | prodope | i saw an error/warning when i booted my computer, which happened just before services were started up... it's not it dmesg or syslog... any other places i should check? |
| 02:42.21 | JeffH | thomas_adam: so there's no way to view it in the same way the application that uses it does? |
| 02:42.23 | thomas_adam | prodope: What was the "error"? |
| 02:42.24 | eranj | stew: a bit of the output is english and most is strange characters |
| 02:42.28 | abrotman | thomas_adam: http://www.joes-pasty-shopp.bigstep.com/homepage.html |
| 02:42.29 | jim | dot: you might wish to drop the attitude and figure things out (especially how to drop the attitude) |
| 02:42.30 | kbrooks | dot: no "2.6.12" debian versuib |
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| 02:42.52 | kbrooks | version* |
| 02:42.52 | prodope | thomas_adam: it was regarding cleaning /tmpfind and find using -maxdepth before another option, or something |
| 02:42.53 | abrotman | thomas_adam: that's where they were actually bought from .. and i can have them shipped to me! |
| 02:42.53 | ethics | dot: kust download and compile from kernel.org |
| 02:42.53 | prodope | it was quite a long message |
| 02:42.54 | jim | dot: 2.6.12 is a -kernel- |
| 02:42.55 | thomas_adam | prodope: enable bootlogd. |
| 02:43.08 | jim | or most likely that is what you refer to |
| 02:43.11 | janchao | 2.6.12 |
| 02:43.22 | thomas_adam | prodope: Then reboot, and see if it is still logged - if you feel it of conern. |
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| 02:43.26 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.35 | stew | eranj: if you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst then you probably have grub. edit that file and append your kernel arguments to the "kernel" line for the kernel in question |
| 02:43.45 | jim | dot: and if things are working you don't necessarily need to upgrade. |
| 02:43.55 | dot | yes it it a kernel ,i am going to change debian's kernel 2.6.8 to 2.6.12 |
| 02:44.08 | prodope | thomas_adam: how do i enable bootlogd? |
| 02:44.12 | j_k | dot: well you a |
| 02:44.15 | jim | dot: then you will be havign to -build- it. |
| 02:44.17 | eranj | stew: grub. I was right |
| 02:44.18 | prodope | thomas_adam: add it to /etc/rc2.d? |
| 02:44.22 | johnnybezak | hey guys a device files question, what are devices that are listed under .static in the /dev directory ? |
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| 02:44.36 | thomas_adam | !tell prodope -about bootlogd |
| 02:44.45 | j_k | dot: well you can't, unless you have a very good reason to and you're ready to spend time for it. |
| 02:44.52 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yay. They're proper pasties. Mmmmmm. |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | thomas_adam: they were yummy .. haven't had them in years |
| 02:45.11 | prodope | thanks thomas_adam |
| 02:45.16 | kbrooks | j_k: kernel images? |
| 02:45.29 | ethics | j_k whys that? |
| 02:45.30 | Guerout | ricer4 not supported in debian kernels, what a damn shame |
| 02:45.34 | eranj | stew: by the way, where do I choose which kerenl/os will boot as a default? |
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| 02:45.52 | jim | dot: you might want to wait for about a month before doing so... so that you can make sure that people don't start complaining about things like "OSHIT!! 2.6.12 just overwrote my ext3 filesystem. OMG! all my porn is gone!" |
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| 02:46.00 | dot | give me a way how to patch the kernel ok ?just tell me how to use the "patch-2.6.12" to "linux-2.6.12" ? |
| 02:46.06 | Guerout | i'm going to have to build my own kernel for my gentoo+ricer4 partition |
| 02:46.07 | thomas_adam | dot: Why? |
| 02:46.13 | abrotman | jim: why would your porn need permissions .. use vfat! |
| 02:46.18 | stew | eranj: the line that says "default 0" (or some other number) |
| 02:46.21 | j_k | kbrooks: because you must learn how to build them, but it's not the only thing. The first time you'll miss a driver or two, then you're on your own for security fixes, etc. |
| 02:46.27 | MinDUrBzns | I cant get a boot.log and this is so frstrating, bootlogd daemon does not exist |
| 02:46.34 | dondelelcaro | jim: you may have been on network, but at the time that factoid was created, you weren't on this channel... (or at least, you hadn't said anything in 3 months) |
| 02:46.43 | remmy_ | whats better then Gaim for a AIM protocol? |
| 02:46.44 | thomas_adam | MinDUrBzns: Hmm? |
| 02:46.44 | jim | dot: read (your kernel source dir)/README* |
| 02:46.49 | thomas_adam | remmy_: centericq ? |
| 02:46.52 | ethics | j_k right....... |
| 02:46.53 | greyson | dot: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 02:47.02 | Guerout | remmy_: im.bitlbee.org:6668 |
| 02:47.07 | MinDUrBzns | any way to generate a boot.log ??? |
| 02:47.11 | Guerout | remmy_: in your irc client |
| 02:47.14 | thomas_adam | MinDUrBzns: enable bootlogd |
| 02:47.22 | MinDUrBzns | i have done all that |
| 02:47.29 | dot | i am learning how to make a kernel from source ,i won't delete debian's default kernel |
| 02:47.34 | thomas_adam | MinDUrBzns: You need to reboot. |
| 02:47.37 | jim | dot: because there are A LOT of things you don't understand yet, and you need to get on the stick and learn them if you're going to do what you want effectively |
| 02:47.51 | MinDUrBzns | I enabled bootlogd in /etc/default , and I used sysvconfig to start it while booting |
| 02:47.58 | remmy_ | guerout, im looking for somthing with more AIM like features |
| 02:48.04 | Warp4 | bah! |
| 02:48.05 | jim | dot: that's reasonable... otherwise you could cause your system to become unbootable... |
| 02:48.09 | Warp4 | only 1.3 :( |
| 02:48.12 | dot | greyson: kernel-package is aready installed ,what i am goning to do is patching ! |
| 02:48.13 | eranj | stew: I'm trying to see what makes linux default. just to know |
| 02:48.23 | Warp4 | remmy_ check out GAIM |
| 02:48.26 | thomas_adam | MinDUrBzns: Which flavour of Debian? |
| 02:48.45 | jim | dot: so... read the README and see what the deal is |
| 02:48.45 | abrotman | remmy_: you could use the AOL AIM client for linux |
| 02:48.53 | jasoncohen | remmy_, gaim.sf.net - apt-get install gaim to install |
| 02:48.59 | eranj | stew: the first option called '0'? |
| 02:49.05 | MinDUrBzns | brb, a call |
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| 02:49.10 | remmy_ | warp4, i was looking for somthing NOT gaim |
| 02:49.17 | auk | abrotman: that is not form aol |
| 02:49.19 | j_k | jim: running 2.6.12 won't get anything more effective unless you need a very specific bit which isn't in 2.6.8. |
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| 02:49.30 | greyson | dot: You can use kernel-package to make your own package from whatever source you want. |
| 02:49.30 | abrotman | auk: i have hte official AIM client from AOL .. works just fine |
| 02:49.41 | greyson | dot: kernel source, that is. |
| 02:49.49 | stew | eranj: read the comments near the line that says "default " |
| 02:49.51 | jim | j_k: yes, so it's kinda unlikely he really needs it... but he says he's trying to learn |
| 02:49.52 | auk | yes, but gaim is not the offical one |
| 02:50.01 | abrotman | i think i said that |
| 02:50.03 | Warp4 | remmy_ ok try KOPETE :) |
| 02:50.06 | ethics | mj_ well theres alot of updates in it for acpi/apm so most notebooks want i |
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| 02:50.17 | dot | greyson: so i neen't the patch ? |
| 02:50.19 | ethics | mj_ well new ones |
| 02:50.20 | FarrisG | are there any benchmarks or rules of thumb on how long it should take to build a kernel with a particular .config on a particular box? |
| 02:50.24 | remmy_ | Warp4, kopete kicks me off all the time for some damn reason |
| 02:50.30 | dot | where is rhe readme ? |
| 02:50.30 | abrotman | FarrisG: how fast is your CPU ? |
| 02:50.40 | jim | dot: by the way... why not start with building an earlier version of the kernel first? |
| 02:50.42 | abrotman | remmy_: use gaim or the official AOL client |
| 02:50.43 | FarrisG | abrotman: 3.2GHz Xeon |
| 02:50.47 | j_k | jim: it's alright, but it needs to be said before he starts :-) |
| 02:50.51 | abrotman | FarrisG: should take about 20 seconds |
| 02:51.01 | abrotman | FarrisG: how long has it been building ? |
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| 02:51.11 | dot | jim: what is a easy version ? |
| 02:51.14 | FarrisG | abrotman: 20 seconds my ass :) |
| 02:51.14 | nerfer | I have debian testing, 2.6.8 kernel . I can rip/burn DVDS (have DVD reader at hdd- dvdburner at hdc) but I ma making coaster after coaster trying to burn a CD! |
| 02:51.15 | eranj | stew: got it now |
| 02:51.16 | jim | j_k: yes, you're right... I think I might have done that |
| 02:51.18 | remmy_ | abrotman, the real aol client have all kinds of adware garbage like it does for windows? |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | FarrisG: how long so far ? |
| 02:51.23 | abrotman | remmy_: nope |
| 02:51.32 | remmy_ | abrotman, sweet thanks |
| 02:51.33 | abrotman | remmy_: but it's a pain to get working |
| 02:51.33 | FarrisG | abrotman: 2 minutes, but there's no way it can be done in 2 seconds |
| 02:51.37 | jim | dot: howbout 2.6.8? or 2.6.9? |
| 02:51.40 | jasoncohen | nerfer, what are you using to burn? |
| 02:51.47 | nerfer | I tried running cdrecord as both root and non-root setuid root... |
| 02:51.47 | abrotman | FarrisG: if it's still compiling in 20 minutes .. ask us again :) |
| 02:51.55 | nerfer | jasoncohen - cdrecord |
| 02:52.05 | ethics | nerfer: what app you trying to burn with/ show me the command.. |
| 02:52.05 | nerfer | Warp4: Nope |
| 02:52.14 | greyson | dot: Get the kernel source, (and the patch if you don't download the latest) use kernel-package, done. |
| 02:52.26 | dot | jim : to build 2.6.8 is the same thing with building 2.6.12 isn't it ? |
| 02:52.35 | jim | pretty much |
| 02:52.45 | nerfer | ethics : cdrecord -v speed=16 dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 driveopts=burnfree file.iso |
| 02:52.46 | mdh | FarrisG: my AthlonXP 2.8 compiles a kernel in about 12 minutes. So your 3.2Ghz Xeon should take about that ;) |
| 02:52.54 | jasoncohen | dot, why do you need a newer kernel? etch now has 2.6.11 |
| 02:53.01 | tractor | hey I don't even have a CD rom .. I just download everything through my dialup. NOTHING takes less than two hours :D |
| 02:53.04 | FarrisG | mdh: thanks |
| 02:53.16 | jim | actually... I take that back... maybe there are build system changes... |
| 02:53.25 | thomas_adam | Warp4: You mean the -dev ones are? |
| 02:53.38 | jim | isn't there soemthign different about building or running 2.6.11 when comparing to 2.6.8? |
| 02:53.38 | trave11er | people building the 2.6.12 should be aware that current version of udev will not work correctly with it |
| 02:53.46 | Warp4 | thomas_adam yeah. the multithreaded ones. |
| 02:53.47 | remmy_ | ok another question, i have to run alsaconf everytime i restart to make my sound work |
| 02:53.48 | eranj | stew: Should I enter acpi=force after the boot? |
| 02:53.51 | dot | jasoncohen: just learning how to build a kernel . i don't need it ,maybe i want it someday |
| 02:53.54 | trave11er | so don't upgrade the kernel to 2.6.12 if you are using udev |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | thomas_adam: pasties! |
| 02:53.55 | thomas_adam | Warp4: What does config.log say? |
| 02:53.58 | thomas_adam | abrotman: :) |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | thomas_adam: boston cream pie! |
| 02:54.10 | jim | trave11er: is udev a good thing? |
| 02:54.12 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Wooooo. Yes, please. |
| 02:54.15 | ethics | jim: there was some nonfree drivers ripped from debians one but thats all i remember....its back in 2.6.12 tho license for tg3 |
| 02:54.27 | abrotman | thomas_adam: S&S Pork ? |
| 02:54.36 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Absolutely. |
| 02:54.37 | mdh | FarrisG: there's waaay too many factors involved for accurate timing. Eg, if you build from a ramdisk it'll take far less than if you're building from a journaling fs on a hard drive. then, is the hdd 15K scsi-3 or 4.2K 2.5" laptop IDE. how much ram do you have for kernel buffers, etc etc |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | thomas_adam: eat eat eat! |
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| 02:55.00 | stew | eranj: no on the kernel line (like "ro" or "root=" parameters) |
| 02:55.22 | nerfer | I am not using scsi emulation with 2.6.8 kernel and I get a lot of gried from cdrecord |
| 02:55.27 | mdh | trave11er: udev seems to work okay for me with 2.6.12 |
| 02:55.29 | trave11er | jim: it dynamically creates and removes device nodes when devices are added or removed |
| 02:55.31 | ethics | farrisg a stock 2.6.11 took 25 mins or so on my p4 3gig |
| 02:55.38 | eranj | stew: I think I get it. there's no "=" after ro? |
| 02:55.41 | dot | greyson: i 'v prepared all these files ,kernel ,kernel-package,make,patch-2.6.12 .i want to know how to patch ,is it "patch -p1 <patch-2.6.12" ? |
| 02:55.42 | thomas_adam | nerfer: What kind of gried? |
| 02:55.42 | trave11er | jim: i never used one :-) |
| 02:55.46 | jim | trave11er: how does it compare to devfs? |
| 02:55.52 | ethics | mfarris: thats the debian.config with my sata and ide in kernel only |
| 02:55.56 | jim | s/it/udev/ |
| 02:55.56 | eranj | stew: just acpi=force? |
| 02:55.58 | thomas_adam | dot: I told you earlier. |
| 02:56.05 | trave11er | jim: no idea |
| 02:56.06 | nerfer | Is anyone here burning to DVD-Writer with cdrecord and 2.6.8 kernel with no scsi-emul? |
| 02:56.19 | abrotman | i'm sure lots of people .. sscsi-emu is dead |
| 02:56.19 | thomas_adam | nerfer: What kind of gried? |
| 02:56.23 | ethics | dot what are you patching? |
| 02:56.43 | greyson | dot: http://www.e-aiyama.com/~toshi/Computer/Linux/KernelCompile.html |
| 02:56.48 | nerfer | thomas-adam - along the lines of can't acces SYSIO etc, ill get real error |
| 02:56.48 | jasoncohen | nerfer, you sure your cdrecord command is correct? why not try with a gui frontend like k3b? i've never had a problem burning a CD or DVD with k3b |
| 02:56.57 | trave11er | mdh: i don't know too many details, but that message came straight from the udev maintainer |
| 02:57.01 | thomas_adam | k3b...heh. |
| 02:57.02 | jim | ethics: look carefully at the versions he's proppsing to apply the patch to,,, and take that as the reason I'm getting him to read the readme... |
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| 02:57.16 | mdh | jim: udev replaces devfs. it even has a compatibility mode so current devfs users don't have to remember to change their device names back to normal ;) |
| 02:57.19 | eranj | what's k3b equivilant in gnome? |
| 02:57.24 | abrotman | nautilus |
| 02:57.24 | dot | ethics: patching kernel |
| 02:57.28 | abrotman | gnomebaker |
| 02:57.31 | abrotman | eroaster |
| 02:57.35 | gravity | graveman |
| 02:57.38 | nerfer | jasoncohen: I keep gettign coasters in every front end so I am falling back to cmd line to figure out why - many GUIS complain about not seeing scsi drives... |
| 02:57.38 | abrotman | can i stop now ? |
| 02:57.41 | stew | eranj: i guess, i dunno anything about acpi options |
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| 02:57.46 | abrotman | gravity: oh yeah . forgot that one |
| 02:57.46 | MrDuck | hey |
| 02:57.48 | mdh | jim: and hopefully in 2.6.13 devfs will be removed altogether. It's been scheduled for this time and Greg-KH has put the appropriate patch on linux-kernel |
| 02:57.51 | jim | mdh: how is it different? what are a coupla the improvements? |
| 02:57.53 | thomas_adam | Quack? |
| 02:57.54 | dot | greyson: thank you ,thats helpful! |
| 02:57.59 | abrotman | not that eroaster is a gtk program |
| 02:58.05 | gravity | abrotman: I haven't tried any of 'em except nautilus', which is awesome for what it is |
| 02:58.10 | MrDuck | thomas_adam: quack ;-) |
| 02:58.16 | eranj | stew: that's what I saw in some error. I just need to force acpi with acpi=force |
| 02:58.31 | greyson | dot: You are quite welcom. |
| 02:58.34 | xam | abrotman: and what's the equivalent to arson? |
| 02:58.37 | eranj | stew: believe me, I know much less than you |
| 02:58.38 | abrotman | gravity: gnomebaker doesn't start for me .. it wasn't good enoguh to be RC |
| 02:58.41 | jim | they'll quack you when you're feeding all the ducks... |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | xam: probably gnomebaker honestly |
| 02:58.46 | thomas_adam | dpkg: who do you love? |
| 02:58.46 | dpkg | xteddy, of course! |
| 02:58.52 | gravity | Cute |
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| 02:58.55 | stew | eranj: so just add acpi=force after ro, you could also test it just once by hitting "e" at the grub menu while booting |
| 02:58.55 | thomas_adam | Good bot. |
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| 02:58.59 | jim | they'll quack you when you need a lot of fucks... |
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| 02:59.20 | mdh | jim: devfs is in the kernel, udev works from userspace. devfs has been unmaintained for 3 years and requires dicking about with kernel drivers to work. udev simply uses the existing /sys kernel infrastructure |
| 02:59.20 | eranj | stew: what do you mean test it? |
| 02:59.36 | dot | BTW ,when will debian use KDE 3.4 and kernel 2.6.12 (i mean the newest kernel) etc. |
| 02:59.42 | stew | eranj: hitting e at the grub menu will let you edit the kernel parameters for just that boot |
| 02:59.44 | initech | dot: etch |
| 02:59.51 | jim | mdh: so it creates the nodes by looking at /sys |
| 02:59.52 | thomas_adam | dot: They're in Etch. |
| 02:59.58 | mdh | jim: the udev website details the one thing that devfs can currently do that udev cannot. |
| 03:00.01 | eranj | stew: great tip |
| 03:00.15 | dot | ok |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | thomas_adam: that kernel isn't afaik |
| 03:00.32 | jim | dot: do you use udev? |
| 03:00.34 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Give it time. |
| 03:00.35 | initech | dot: there'll most likely be a backport to sarge, or it is possible to grab the binaries from testing, or better, grab to sources from testing and build with apt-build |
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| 03:00.36 | abrotman | !kernel-image-2.6.12 etch |
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| 03:00.42 | ethics | [5~[5~[5~[5~[6~[6~[B[B[B |
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| 03:00.53 | mdh | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ |
| 03:01.01 | nerfer | drecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler |
| 03:01.02 | nerfer | cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). |
| 03:01.07 | eranj | stew: Is there a downloadable compiled amule for debian? |
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| 03:01.11 | thomas_adam | nerfer: /msg dpkg paster |
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| 03:01.14 | nerfer | these are the errors I get runnign cdrecord... |
| 03:01.24 | pedro420 | Hello |
| 03:01.29 | thomas_adam | nerfer: And you've presumably googled? |
| 03:01.30 | j_k | eranj: yes. |
| 03:01.37 | stew | eranj: i dunno, /msg dpkg search |
| 03:01.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what are you doing .. everyone from PA is trouble! |
| 03:01.58 | jim | dot: because if you do... 2.6.12 has been said (by a debian-installer team member, well I think he is) to cause udev to fail to work |
| 03:02.09 | nerfer | thomas_adam. Yes I've tried a large # of guis and a lot of combination of cmd line cdrecords, all led to coasters... |
| 03:02.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ? |
| 03:02.34 | thomas_adam | nerfer: Bummer. |
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| 03:02.36 | eranj | stew: Can I install wxWidgets with apt? |
| 03:02.38 | pedro420 | Unless your name is god abrotman, you shouldn't judge people |
| 03:02.43 | jim | those coasters have purty colors... |
| 03:02.46 | thomas_adam | nerfer: Anything in /var/log/messages that would be of use? |
| 03:02.47 | mdh | eranj: apt-get install amule |
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| 03:02.59 | Warp4 | ugh ... libqt3c102-mt |
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| 03:03.09 | stew | eranj: i dunno /msg dpkg search |
| 03:03.13 | dondelelcaro | pedro420: please don't make me regret -q'ing you. |
| 03:03.23 | j_k | eranj: yes. |
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| 03:03.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: /whois abrotman |
| 03:03.32 | pedro420 | I was just sayin he shouldn't judge anyone |
| 03:03.46 | eranj | apt-get won't install amule |
| 03:03.49 | xam | thomas_adam,nerfer I think I have the same issue here ... didn't have time to look into it yet though ... |
| 03:03.50 | dot | whats the meaning ? patching file CREDITS |
| 03:03.52 | dot | Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] |
| 03:03.54 | abrotman | pedro420: it was a joke dumbass |
| 03:03.59 | spenser | anyone have avisynth.dll? |
| 03:04.06 | mdh | nerfer: you can't do thise things as a non-root user |
| 03:04.08 | eranj | it says couldn't find package |
| 03:04.09 | paster | "nerfer" at 24.55.177.69 pasted "cdrecord errors" (55 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/246 |
| 03:04.12 | dot | there is no need to patch ? |
| 03:04.12 | thomas_adam | spenser: Eh? |
| 03:04.20 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: make sense now ? |
| 03:04.20 | nerfer | http://channels.debian.net/paste/246. |
| 03:04.30 | nerfer | That's the whole of my cdrecord output.... |
| 03:04.31 | thomas_adam | dot: What/Why are you trying to do? |
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| 03:04.49 | Warp4 | ok looks like i DON'T have the headers installed...fetching now. |
| 03:04.55 | dot | thomas_adam: you mean there is no need to patching ? |
| 03:05.05 | jim | dot: evidently you haven't read README yet :) |
| 03:05.10 | thomas_adam | dot: I still don't know what it is you're trying to do -- let alone why you: a) think you need to, and b) Why you're making a dog's dinner out of it. |
| 03:05.31 | xam | nerfer: btw, you should use -dev=ATA:0,0,0 or /dev/hda |
| 03:05.40 | mdh | !find amule |
| 03:05.42 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'amule' (2): amule ;; amule-utils. |
| 03:05.51 | spenser | thomas_adam, mplayer says i need avisynth.dll to play my dvd and it wasn't in the codecs pack from mplayer |
| 03:05.55 | thomas_adam | dot: You're getting that because you: a) have applied the patch already, or b) Have the wroing patch level -- use patch --dry-run to see. |
| 03:05.59 | ethics | thomas_adam compile a 1.6.12 kernel .....for fun.....because dot is a L plater |
| 03:06.02 | nerfer | xam: When I try to use cdrecord -dev=ATA: -scanbus I get nothign back. |
| 03:06.12 | pedro420 | i am a little upset because i didn't write the stuff tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttthat got my voice taken. |
| 03:06.17 | thomas_adam | ethics: What? |
| 03:06.19 | ethics | thomas_adam 2.6.12 rather |
| 03:06.20 | initech | spenser: just grab all the crap from marillat's repository |
| 03:06.23 | thomas_adam | pedro420: Pfft. |
| 03:06.39 | nerfer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.40 | abrotman | i'm skeptical for some reason |
| 03:06.41 | xam | nerfer: ATAPI interface is broken/outdated ... don't use it |
| 03:06.49 | dondelelcaro | nerfer: that's fine. You're trying to burn on a device that the version of cdrecord you have doesn't support. Use dvd+rwtools or similar instead. |
| 03:06.50 | nerfer | Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Permission denied) |
| 03:06.53 | dondelelcaro | xam: no, it isn't. |
| 03:07.09 | dondelelcaro | xam: ATAPI works just fine. Schilling doesn't like it, but then he's gone mad. |
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| 03:07.12 | jim | pedro420: about judgements and people here... -believe- me, -trust- me when I say that I make the kinds of judgements that tell me whether someone is helpable or ready to be helped when they ask questions in certain ways. |
| 03:07.12 | initech | spenser: sorry, never heard of that ... |
| 03:07.36 | nerfer | dondelelcaro: what specifically - I tried growisofs and it failed... |
| 03:07.39 | xam | dondelelcaro: well,many posts at lkml says different |
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| 03:07.54 | dondelelcaro | xam: I use ATAPI all the time. It works just fine. |
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| 03:07.58 | thomas_adam | Hype and FUD? |
| 03:07.59 | Warp4 | YAY! It's working now :) |
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| 03:08.19 | pedro420 | okay |
| 03:08.28 | sam_ | hey how do you install the ati driver(radeon 9800 here) on debian sarge for amd64 ? |
| 03:08.28 | ethics | nerfer: is that a dvd or cd image your burning? |
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| 03:08.38 | jim | pedro420: and one of those judgements is: are they able to understand things they read on their own to the degree that they can grow from the reading... if the answer is no, I'm damn well not their private tutor |
| 03:08.40 | jimi | is the free nv driver 3d? |
| 03:08.40 | xam | dondelelcaro: actually it wasn't schilling who said it is broken' but rather some kernel devs ... ATA is to be preferred |
| 03:08.43 | abrotman | sam_: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 03:08.46 | nerfer | ethics: CD image to CD-R in DVD burner |
| 03:08.47 | jim | unless they give me MONEY |
| 03:08.58 | MobyTurbo | it's a tradeoff ATAPI gets you DMA, ide-scsi doesn't have that, but has the advantage of the better error correction of SCSI. |
| 03:08.59 | sam_ | okay thx abrotman |
| 03:09.01 | jimi | i mean *open nv driver |
| 03:09.06 | initech | sam_: the ATI binary driver? |
| 03:09.12 | dot | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.19 | stew | jimi: not accelleraded 3d |
| 03:09.22 | sam_ | yea well for the 3d stuff i need that |
| 03:09.27 | xam | dondelelcaro: Schilling says everything != SCSI is broken |
| 03:09.30 | mdh | fwiw ATAPI is basically the SCSI protocol |
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| 03:09.35 | nerfer | When I try to scanbus using ATA: in cdrecord it tries to scan /dev/hda and cant get ti |
| 03:09.38 | nerfer | obviously |
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| 03:09.42 | nerfer | that is my HD |
| 03:09.42 | thomas_adam | dot: I meant use your brain to apply the proper patch command to it. If you can't do that, don't even bother trying to compile the kernel. |
| 03:09.45 | initech | sam_: actually the radeon that comes with sarge works fine, but it isn't as fast |
| 03:09.58 | jimi | stew: hmmm, i guess i'll have to stick with binary nvidia driver |
| 03:09.59 | dondelelcaro | xam: Schilling has claimed that ATAPI is broken too... all of the warnings that cdrecord spews are straight from him. |
| 03:10.04 | stew | sam_: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 03:10.27 | dondelelcaro | cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. <-- I mean, what did you expect? |
| 03:10.29 | abrotman | is schilling the author of cdrecord? .. who says everything about linux disk interfaces are broken ? |
| 03:10.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes. |
| 03:10.42 | initech | sam_: download from ATI, backup you XF86Config-4, run installer, run fglrxconfig, fix your XF86Config-4, restart X. reboot to make sure it comes up correctly. |
| 03:10.47 | abrotman | so .. he's rooming with DJB eh ? :) |
| 03:10.48 | nerfer | dondelelcaro: I am burning DVDs fine on this burner but cant seem to get a cdr to burn, what program do you suggest? |
| 03:10.51 | xam | dondelelcaro: mostly use SCSI here, just laptop with DVD/CDRW combo is ide |
| 03:10.52 | jim | pedro420: example: scroll back a bit and try to see what dot is trying to patch... I told him twice to read the README in the kernel source that he has right now... he hasn't done it yet. How do I know? he's still unsure about why the patching he's trying is not working |
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| 03:11.10 | greyson | Ah... much better. |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | jim: i think you're wasting your time |
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| 03:11.29 | abrotman | on the bright side .. the sox won |
| 03:11.31 | dondelelcaro | nerfer: oh, the cdr won't burn? Have you tried selecting the correct driver with the driver option? |
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| 03:11.38 | jim | fox in sox |
| 03:11.40 | xam | dondelelcaro: don't particular like joerg too much to be honest |
| 03:11.41 | stew | initech: why do you recommend that over flavio's drivers? |
| 03:11.57 | initech | stew: never heard of flavio |
| 03:12.00 | dondelelcaro | xam: you're not alone. |
| 03:12.04 | mdh | jim: would you do it in a boat? would you do it with a goat? |
| 03:12.11 | mdh | oh... wait... that's green eggs and ham |
| 03:12.18 | stew | initech: i'm talking aobut the instructions in the factoid |
| 03:12.19 | nerfer | dondelelcaro: THe burning starts but errors out every time after a number of seconds... it states standard mmc I believe |
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| 03:12.32 | jim | if the floppy is like sloppy in the drive of discontent... |
| 03:12.41 | initech | stew: spew the factoid then so I can see it |
| 03:12.42 | jsan | my friends i would like to use this configuratios whith my internal network, cliente -- proxy --fw -- dmz, my proxy is im my internal network, when i start my firewall and configure the client to navegate whith proxy , result sucefull, but when i disconfigure the client to force transparent proxy , the browaser don´t navegate, what this problems ?? |
| 03:12.54 | dondelelcaro | nerfer: hrm... can you paste the part where it errors out? |
| 03:12.54 | jim | if you try to stay in there you'll really just be spent... |
| 03:13.02 | thomas_adam | hehe "my friends". |
| 03:13.11 | abrotman | resiak: you have no !unbuntu key combo |
| 03:13.32 | thomas_adam | jsan: Can you be more specific? |
| 03:13.43 | nerfer | dondelelcaro: I'll run it again and paste - thanks |
| 03:14.15 | jim | if you want to know what that means then you just go and ask brent: |
| 03:14.15 | dondelelcaro | nerfer: you may also try running cdrecord as root with sudo... I've often have better luck with that. |
| 03:14.57 | mdh | dondelelcaro: the errors he was getting were basically saying he was trying to run as an unprivileged user and cdrecord couldn't up the process priorities etc. |
| 03:14.57 | nerfer | arrrgh: The cdrecord itself spes out that running with Sudo won't work man this is gettign confusing! |
| 03:15.07 | dondelelcaro | mdh: those are just warnings... |
| 03:15.21 | xam | nerfer: btw, I have the same plextor, firmware 1.08 is out! |
| 03:15.23 | nerfer | mdh: Icdrecord is set UID |
| 03:15.31 | jim | he'll say the sloppy floppy doesn't fit in a big tent! |
| 03:15.37 | jimi | nerfer: are you using K3B? |
| 03:15.39 | dondelelcaro | nerfer: no, it says that it won't work for suid. suid!=sudo. |
| 03:15.44 | nerfer | xam: I can't figure out how to upgrade firmware in Linux. so I havent tried yet :-) |
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| 03:16.12 | nerfer | jimi _ I treid that as well, works great for DVD, notso good for cd - SO im working from cmd line up |
| 03:16.45 | xam | nerfer: http://www.plextor-europe.com/technicalservices/downloads/firmw_prog.asp?choice=Upgrade%20programs |
| 03:17.21 | jsan | thomas_adam how i use the proxy in the internal network to navegate to the internet , but whith firewall in the new machine, isnt IN THE PROXY, PROXY and firewall NO. firewall and proxy will be in the internal network |
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| 03:17.30 | nerfer | xam - thanks I'l bookmark it. |
| 03:17.34 | trave11er | Hatter: i can't reproduce the problem in a clean sarge chroot |
| 03:17.51 | nerfer | OK I ran as sudo and I'll post the whole thing one sec... |
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| 03:18.21 | linoleum | hi |
| 03:18.33 | jsan | thomas_adam ????????? |
| 03:18.46 | abrotman | thomas_adam !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:18.48 | paster | "nerfer" at 24.55.177.69 pasted "cdrecord run as sudo" (98 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/247 |
| 03:18.58 | xam | nerfer: IIRC joerg schilling (author of cdrecord) created the plextor firmware update utility that plextor website is linking to |
| 03:18.59 | thomas_adam | jsan: I don't understand a word you're saying. |
| 03:19.13 | nerfer | OK pasted teh whole output, thanks very much for looking at it. |
| 03:19.24 | linoleum | Hello, I have just installed entrance, and I would like to use it , and no more GDM, how can I switch them? |
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| 03:19.51 | auk | entrance? |
| 03:19.56 | jim | entrance? |
| 03:19.58 | nerfer | xam: hmmm. very interesting. It took me days to get DVD burning working, I am now using xdvdshrink without problems. Shoudl have know good ol cd recording would bite me :-) |
| 03:20.06 | mdh | jsan: you need to tell the firewall to only permit the proxy machine to get out through it to the internet, and also to transparently redirect packets from other systems back through the proxy |
| 03:20.09 | jim | oh, you already said that :) |
| 03:20.10 | thomas_adam | E's DM? |
| 03:20.12 | linoleum | yea, like gdm, but with enlightnement e17 |
| 03:20.17 | jsan | thomas_adam how i use the proxy in the internal network , whith the firewll in the other machine ? the proxy will be transparent |
| 03:20.21 | jsan | thomas_adam ok |
| 03:20.27 | jsan | thomas_adam understand ? |
| 03:20.30 | xam | nerfer: "clonewars" eehh? are you illegally copying movies? ;-P |
| 03:20.40 | thomas_adam | jsan: I've long since past the point where I cared... |
| 03:20.40 | mdh | linoleum: if you use the debian packages, just apt-get purge gdm after you install entrance |
| 03:20.44 | Hatter | trave11er: thanks, I am building a new install also to try to replicate the problem. if it can't be replicated, shouldn't I be able to apt-get remove gcc and reinstall ? |
| 03:20.49 | jim | so we get to have a third desktop environment! oh goody! |
| 03:20.50 | linoleum | mdh, ok tkx |
| 03:20.54 | nerfer | xam: No backup only - I needed a BIG iso to test... |
| 03:21.00 | auk | is engage availabe as an .deb or something now? |
| 03:21.01 | xam | heh |
| 03:21.15 | mdh | linoleum: also check out update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
| 03:21.18 | jim | !info engage |
| 03:21.22 | abrotman | jsan: you need to read some basic networking docs .. and probably read about iptables at netfilter.org |
| 03:21.30 | eps | is there a wine tools .deb file available some where? |
| 03:21.33 | jim | Package 'engage' does not exist. |
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| 03:21.46 | abrotman | eps: apt-get install wine ? |
| 03:21.51 | Hatter | actually I have tried removing and reinstallng gcc already |
| 03:21.55 | debuser | Hello |
| 03:22.00 | mdh | auk: unofficially. check http://www.get-e.org/ |
| 03:22.00 | trave11er | Hatter: yeah, you might need to reinstall something like gcc-3.3 or whatever it's called |
| 03:22.07 | Hatter | that i have done |
| 03:22.08 | debuser | I was wondering whether there's any CLI MSN clients? |
| 03:22.08 | linoleum | mdh : if I do aptitude purge gdm, well, it will remove : gdm gdm-themes gnome gnome-desktop-environment |
| 03:22.10 | auk | thanks |
| 03:22.11 | abrotman | !b-e |
| 03:22.11 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 03:22.15 | auk | mdh: * |
| 03:22.20 | linoleum | mdh, but I want to keep my gnome desktop :) |
| 03:22.21 | jsan | abrotman i see in the netfilter but dont a good result |
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| 03:22.31 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:22.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:22.36 | tcsetattr | Hatter, have you run memtest86 on that machine? |
| 03:22.38 | thomas_adam | linoleum: So? They're metapackages. |
| 03:22.39 | eps | abrotman wine tools |
| 03:22.46 | abrotman | eps: such as? |
| 03:22.55 | eps | abrotman http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ |
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| 03:23.14 | mdh | linoleum: okay. well in that case, instead of removing gdm altogether, simply use update-rc.d to remove its startup files from /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 03:23.16 | jimi | i have noticed that there is no path for initrd in grub for the kernel i just created. is initrd mandatory |
| 03:23.19 | jimi | ? |
| 03:23.19 | Hatter | tcsettattr: I have just downloaded it actually, to try it, but i didn't place high hopes on it being a RAM problem as the error always occurs the same |
| 03:23.20 | eps | mandrake has a package for it and it seems common enough, just wanted to know so I wouldn't waste time compiling it |
| 03:23.22 | abrotman | eps: oh .. doubt it .. it's all closed software |
| 03:23.23 | linoleum | thomas_adam, no , it will remove everything, I can see : rythmox, gnome-office, etc ... |
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| 03:23.46 | mwilson | jimi: Does the kernel you just created use one? |
| 03:23.46 | tcsetattr | Hatter, memory errors are weird, and one of the ways they can be weird is in being less weird than you expect. |
| 03:23.47 | eps | abrotman closed software? wine is lgpl and wine tools is gpl :| |
| 03:23.57 | Borg^Queen | I noticed r0a is out. Its it a major bug fix or just a security uncommented release? |
| 03:23.57 | abrotman | eps: but it installs IE6 .. which is closed |
| 03:23.58 | mdh | linoleum: another (albeit cheating) method would be to edit /etc/init.d/gdm and put "exit 0" after the initial shell magic |
| 03:24.08 | jimi | mwilson: i am not sure, i did not see an option for it in xconfig |
| 03:24.10 | Hatter | tcsetattr: ok, I will run the RAM Checker now |
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| 03:24.12 | abrotman | eps: apt-cache search wine |
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| 03:24.32 | nerfer | dondelelcarlo: I posted the whoel cdrecord output - did you see it at the paste url? |
| 03:24.37 | eps | abrotman I have done that and had a good look through results ...don't think I missed it |
| 03:24.55 | abrotman | eps: it's not in debian :) |
| 03:25.06 | eps | okay... time to compile :P |
| 03:25.14 | eps | thanks abrotman |
| 03:25.27 | abrotman | eps: you might want to check apt-get.org |
| 03:25.42 | Hatter | I am using mIRC as this client, do you guys know if there is an easier way to display messages with my name in it ? colour change or something ? or different client ? |
| 03:25.56 | simonrvn | do we look like #mirc? |
| 03:26.05 | abrotman | !mirc |
| 03:26.05 | dpkg | [mirc] http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html |
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| 03:26.21 | Borg^Queen | Hello people. I noticed r0a is out. Its it a major bug fix or just a security uncommented release? |
| 03:26.22 | Hatter | ok no problem |
| 03:26.22 | eps | okay |
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| 03:26.31 | simonrvn | hehe, mirc exploit on a help site =) |
| 03:26.35 | abrotman | Borg^Queen: latter |
| 03:26.49 | Borg^Queen | abrotman: so there's no point to dling it |
| 03:27.07 | abrotman | Borg^Queen: not if your sources are correct already |
| 03:27.19 | Borg^Queen | aye they are |
| 03:27.26 | jimi | how do i specify initrd when creating a new kernel? |
| 03:27.28 | abrotman | then .. no problem .. don't bother |
| 03:27.33 | abrotman | jimi: man make-kpkg |
| 03:27.34 | Borg^Queen | thanks |
| 03:27.44 | jimi | abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:28.11 | Borg^Queen | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:28.13 | Borg^Queen | later peopel |
| 03:28.16 | Borg^Queen | people too |
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| 03:29.55 | Hatter | dpkg: [mirc exploit] thx I will change clients |
| 03:30.04 | simonrvn | dpkg is a bot |
| 03:30.17 | jimi | abrotman: do you mean make-dpkg > |
| 03:30.39 | Hatter | thanks mr bot |
| 03:30.57 | abrotman | jimi: no |
| 03:31.00 | jimi | abrotman: sorry im an idiot, forget that |
| 03:31.01 | abrotman | !tell jimi about kp |
| 03:31.39 | MrKeuner | are there alternative desktop search tools to beagle? |
| 03:31.52 | thomas_adam | MrKeuner: man find |
| 03:31.55 | bob2 | nothing as complete |
| 03:32.01 | abrotman | grep ? |
| 03:32.08 | gravity | Which reminds me... wtf is up with beagle not being in debian |
| 03:32.14 | abrotman | gravity: mono |
| 03:32.14 | auk | yeah... |
| 03:32.25 | auk | mono? |
| 03:32.27 | nerfer | xam: You still here? |
| 03:32.27 | gravity | abrotman: mono should be in experimental at least by now |
| 03:32.30 | abrotman | gravity: mono was holding it back .. shouldn't be anymore |
| 03:32.41 | gravity | Damn. I want to play with it. |
| 03:32.50 | xam | nerfer: no for long ... |
| 03:32.51 | auk | uhh... what happened? |
| 03:32.54 | gravity | I got a demo a few months ago and I still haven't gotten to sit down with it myself |
| 03:32.56 | simonrvn | ploink |
| 03:33.04 | simonrvn | auk: netsplit |
| 03:33.05 | nerfer | xam: What version did you say the plextor was up to? |
| 03:33.08 | auk | ? |
| 03:33.23 | abrotman | gravity: http://wiki.debian.net/?MonoDebianPlan |
| 03:33.29 | simonrvn | auk: look it up in an irc faq |
| 03:33.36 | deepz | how do i add new fonts in sarge debian |
| 03:33.45 | xam | nerfer: 1.08 |
| 03:33.51 | gravity | deepz: Put them in ~/.fonts |
| 03:34.15 | stew | deepz: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 03:34.23 | simonrvn | paaf |
| 03:34.25 | nerfer | xam: Oh ok I see r412c107 but no 108... |
| 03:34.27 | abrotman | no .. poof |
| 03:34.31 | abrotman | silly germans |
| 03:34.32 | simonrvn | poof? |
| 03:34.33 | gravity | abrotman: Ah |
| 03:34.45 | simonrvn | piif |
| 03:34.49 | abrotman | gravity: if you google around .. you can find the stuff about beagle/debian ... or ask #debian-mono |
| 03:35.15 | xam | nerfer: http://www.plextor-europe.com/technicalservices/downloads/firmw_716A.asp?choice=DVD-Recorders |
| 03:35.33 | Hatter | tcsetattr: guess what, memtest found some faulty RAM, I will replace it when the test is finished and try the compile again |
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| 03:36.11 | initech | Hatter: i've never had memtest detect faulty ram. only gcc. |
| 03:36.43 | nerfer | xam ; Thanks I got it... |
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| 03:37.11 | xam | nerfer: also interesting: http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_all.php and especially http://tdb.rpc1.org/#PX714A |
| 03:37.31 | auk | i see |
| 03:37.46 | auk | thank you, wikipedia |
| 03:38.06 | xam | nerfer: those are patched firmwares that don't have region code |
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| 03:38.57 | nerfer | xam: Thanks. You dont suppose the firmware has anything to do with why cdrecord keeps blowing up do you(I'm clutching at straws:-) |
| 03:39.43 | Strath | why does apt-move keep skiping a large amount of packages? |
| 03:39.50 | xam | nerfer: nope. I have similar problems with a non-plextor |
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| 03:40.10 | nerfer | xam: Oh ok... |
| 03:40.30 | Strath | (from a directory into which all 7 install cds were copied) |
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| 03:41.32 | Strath | (and also from /var/cache/apt/archives) |
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| 03:42.17 | xam | nerfer: anyway, will be AFK for quite a while |
| 03:42.52 | Strath | causes a machine which uses the apt-move packages as a source to say packages are unavailable.... :( |
| 03:42.56 | jim | Strath: you should look into dpkg-scanpackages if you're trying to create a local mirror or something |
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| 03:43.06 | jim | or apt-ftparchive |
| 03:43.27 | nerfer | xam: I have to get to bed : I'll get burning cdr workign anoher day:-) |
| 03:43.47 | linoleum | mdh, hey mate, can you tell me your commande line about update-alternatives -- display , to switch from GDM to entrance? |
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| 03:53.38 | rixth | Did you apt-get install totem-xine? |
| 03:53.43 | rr72 | essential codecs package?? |
| 03:54.08 | ethics | ill help with mplayer issues in 5 if your still stuck....rl busy |
| 03:54.09 | rr72 | i already have it |
| 03:54.10 | rixth | You need to extract the essential pack in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons |
| 03:54.22 | rr72 | kool |
| 03:54.23 | rr72 | thx |
| 03:54.37 | rixth | !tell rr72 about aol |
| 03:54.46 | thumPer1052 | Is totem THAT much better than straight xine? |
| 03:54.50 | rr72 | rixth~ sorry but hes ognored |
| 03:54.58 | rr72 | *ignored |
| 03:55.02 | rixth | But he's to helpful :) |
| 03:55.05 | initech | xine works ok here ... what's better about totem? |
| 03:55.06 | rixth | so* |
| 03:55.10 | rr72 | for larting? |
| 03:55.32 | rixth | initech: I just find that mplayer codecs work better on the xine version. |
| 03:56.37 | FarrisG | does anyone have any experience with any of the 4G/4G split patches? Worth the trouble at all? |
| 03:57.08 | initech | has anyone looked at the onion today? what have they done? the site has been ruined |
| 03:57.13 | rr72 | how do i extract bz2? |
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| 03:57.22 | rr72 | its been a while |
| 03:57.23 | nerfer | I got a CD to burn ! |
| 03:57.29 | thumPer1052 | bunzip? |
| 03:57.35 | FarrisG | I'm realizing that the only right way to do what we need is to buy some 64-bit machines, but management is resisting. We just bought 15 new boxes, and now ONE process we'll need to run ONCE requires more ram than a 32-bit machine will allow |
| 03:57.42 | rr72 | thx |
| 03:57.43 | nerfer | I had to drop speed to 6 in cdrecord, and used ATAPI:0,0,0 as device... |
| 03:57.55 | thumPer1052 | using tar: tar jxvf |
| 03:58.03 | nerfer | It's actually burnign at speed 4! this meedia must be old.... |
| 03:58.40 | nerfer | I can't believe the media could make such a difference! this DVD burner states it can burn CDr at 48X! but anything higher than 8 seems to fail! |
| 03:59.20 | thumPer1052 | lies |
| 04:00.14 | rabies | man, i HATE asus |
| 04:00.28 | rabies | especially now |
| 04:00.51 | rabies | crappy board has a buggy bois and incomplete feature support |
| 04:00.55 | rabies | bios* |
| 04:00.57 | nerfer | Man having to burn at 4X on a dvd burenr that should do 48 really sucks, I might as well plug in my old USB burner...(I think it was asus:-) |
| 04:01.12 | ethics | minitech: totem just has a different gui and can play dvds from file menu other than thit i dont think theres mich diff |
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| 04:01.55 | thumPer1052 | I prefer mplayer |
| 04:01.59 | thumPer1052 | thate the xine gui |
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| 04:02.10 | shivraj | anyone else using afterstep ??? |
| 04:02.13 | shivraj | this thing is so cool |
| 04:02.18 | rr72 | how do u set a codec for totam? |
| 04:02.19 | spuer | I have a question. |
| 04:02.37 | spuer | How do I create a device under /dev? |
| 04:02.43 | greyson | shivraj: What about it do you particularly like? |
| 04:02.51 | rr72 | should it be in a folder under totam-addons? |
| 04:03.00 | rr72 | rixth~ u still busy? |
| 04:03.03 | shivraj | icons, desktops, graphics |
| 04:03.23 | jasoncohen | anyone know of a good program to record videos from a webcam? i already have the webcam working in gnomemeeting but that only will take screenshots |
| 04:03.24 | shivraj | u should try it |
| 04:03.24 | greyson | shivraj: Ah... just the overall look/feel? |
| 04:03.30 | thumPer1052 | create a device, or just a link to an existing device? |
| 04:03.31 | shivraj | yeah |
| 04:03.44 | shivraj | its fast too |
| 04:03.46 | greyson | shivraj: I have... I liked it; though I personally prefer FVWM |
| 04:03.52 | spuer | a link I think |
| 04:04.11 | thumPer1052 | ln -s old-divice new-device |
| 04:04.14 | spuer | actually I want to link /dev/sda1 to /dev/mobiledisk |
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| 04:04.46 | shivraj | ln -s TARGET LINK |
| 04:04.49 | rr72 | how can i setup plugins for totem? |
| 04:05.18 | thumPer1052 | yeah, what he said... lol much clearer |
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| 04:05.41 | spuer | ln -s /dev/sda1 /dev/mobiledisk doesn't work |
| 04:06.00 | greyson | spuer: Are you root? |
| 04:06.03 | spuer | yes |
| 04:06.09 | shivraj | which one is the target ? |
| 04:06.14 | greyson | what's the error? |
| 04:06.22 | spuer | I got a message "FAT: invalid media value (0xb9)" |
| 04:06.32 | thumPer1052 | ie does /dev/sda1 already exist? |
| 04:06.43 | greyson | That's not a problem with the link, that's a problem with the device. |
| 04:06.48 | spuer | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev/sda` |
| 04:06.50 | spuer | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev/sda1 |
| 04:07.09 | greyson | Yeah, that definitely isn't a link problem. |
| 04:07.10 | spuer | okay...udev detects my usb stick |
| 04:07.36 | spuer | udev automatically creates /sda1 for it. |
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| 04:08.07 | rr72 | rixth~ are ypu there? |
| 04:08.20 | shivraj | are u trying to mount /dev/sda1 ?? |
| 04:08.25 | shivraj | why are u doing that link ? |
| 04:08.26 | spuer | yes |
| 04:09.06 | shivraj | well then it doesnt have a FAT filesystem, try formatting it |
| 04:09.06 | greyson | !u shivraj |
| 04:09.07 | spuer | Well..I follow the instruction how to set up mobile disk from debian-administration |
| 04:09.28 | spuer | I can't, I have some important docs ... can't format |
| 04:09.47 | greyson | spuer: Backup with other machine, format, retry. |
| 04:10.09 | greyson | Or, there's always the (A)bort possibility. |
| 04:10.10 | thumPer1052 | what filesystem does a usb stick use? |
| 04:10.17 | spuer | fat |
| 04:10.24 | spuer | it works fine under win2k |
| 04:10.35 | shivraj | maybe its NTFS |
| 04:10.53 | liable | spuer: what mount command are you using? |
| 04:10.59 | thumPer1052 | what does your mount command look like? |
| 04:10.59 | tcsetattr | declare your independence from the empire - format your removable devices minixfs! |
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| 04:11.09 | thumPer1052 | tlol |
| 04:12.30 | thumPer1052 | did you do something like |
| 04:12.45 | thumPer1052 | mount /dev/sda1 /mount/mobile ? |
| 04:13.06 | spuer | hm... |
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| 04:13.14 | spuer | that's not right :) |
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| 04:13.49 | thumPer1052 | no, but I'm not sure what the -t should be |
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| 04:13.57 | liable | spuer: mkdir /mnt/blah && mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat -o user /mnt/blah |
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| 04:15.54 | spuer | okay I got a message "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1 |
| 04:16.10 | spuer | probably there is something wrong with fs |
| 04:16.27 | edward_ | is is easy to backport a src .deb from etch to sarge... ? |
| 04:16.29 | rixth | gcc seg faulted, it says I should file a bug report. SHould I? |
| 04:16.29 | thumPer1052 | or it's not fat |
| 04:16.43 | spuer | not |
| 04:16.45 | spuer | it's ntfs |
| 04:17.07 | spuer | may be it's not ntfs |
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| 04:17.33 | shivraj | did u try ntfs ?? |
| 04:18.02 | spuer | mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive .... didn't work. |
| 04:18.04 | traumator | hmm i just downloaded ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run ... i run it with root privilege it extract but the install dont appear... |
| 04:18.17 | Strath | for a dialup user.... would it be better to wait a bit before ordering a set of Sarge CDs/DVDs? any fixes going in any time soon? |
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| 04:18.40 | greyson | Strath: It's a full release, go for it! |
| 04:18.42 | liable | spuer: whats dmesg |tail say about the usb /dev bit? |
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| 04:19.59 | spuer | can't find a valid FAT on dev/sda1 |
| 04:20.07 | tcsetattr | cat /dev/sda1 | file - |
| 04:20.25 | liable | spuer: no, when you plug it in, whats dmesg say it is? |
| 04:21.05 | spuer | udev[]: creating device node '/dev/sda' |
| 04:21.21 | liable | right use /dev/sda then |
| 04:21.29 | liable | not sda1 |
| 04:21.46 | spuer | still doesn't work |
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| 04:22.25 | mdh | spuer: try /dev/sda2 |
| 04:22.32 | spuer | here is what I did "mount -t vfat /dev/sda/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive" |
| 04:22.38 | mdh | or maybe /dev/sda3 |
| 04:22.45 | spuer | hm ;) |
| 04:22.54 | mdh | sometimes these drives have an initial partition of crud |
| 04:23.17 | liable | spuer: no, mount /dev/sda -t vfat -o user /mnt usbdrive |
| 04:23.18 | thumPer1052 | so it's fat? |
| 04:23.28 | liable | /mnt/usbdrive |
| 04:23.34 | mdh | well that isn't going to work dude since /dev/sda/sda1 doesn't (shouldn't) exist |
| 04:23.35 | Hatter | ok |
| 04:23.50 | Hatter | thanks everyone for your comments |
| 04:23.59 | Hatter | it turned out to be faulty RAM |
| 04:24.01 | Hatter | doh |
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| 04:24.16 | spuer | hey dude, udev automatically creates /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 and these exist |
| 04:24.19 | Hatter | now I feel silly |
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| 04:24.21 | mdh | Hatter: this is why God invented ECC chips :) |
| 04:24.24 | ethics | hatter: you cd burner issue? |
| 04:24.37 | Hatter | ethics: no compile problem with qmail |
| 04:24.37 | mdh | < spuer> here is what I did "mount -t vfat /dev/sda/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive" |
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| 04:24.51 | mdh | that is bound to fail |
| 04:24.54 | ethics | hatter: ahh kk worng person hehe cool |
| 04:24.58 | tcsetattr | good old Sig11 |
| 04:25.03 | ethics | !orize hatter |
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| 04:25.07 | shivraj | spuer : after u get ur files format it :) u really dont need windows, u got firefox and openoffice, the only thing people used to use windows for |
| 04:25.10 | Hatter | trave11er: thanks for trying in your chroot |
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| 04:25.48 | thumPer1052 | is /mnt/usbdrive a directory or synbolic link? |
| 04:25.50 | trave11er | Hatter: np |
| 04:26.01 | trave11er | Hatter: did the problem go away for you? |
| 04:26.08 | spuer | it's a directory |
| 04:26.16 | spuer | not a symlink |
| 04:26.19 | bronxcoder | well the only reason I use windows is because I don't know how to configure wine.... and I can't stop playing grand theft auto (please no flames, I know how pathetic it sounds) |
| 04:26.38 | Hatter | first time i've used irc to solve a problem, google usually saves me, thanks again everybody :-) |
| 04:26.49 | spuer | hey...how do you set up your usb drive? |
| 04:26.54 | ethics | mbrinxcoder GTA1 2 3 vice or sa? |
| 04:26.55 | K_Dallas | bronxcoder, have you given cedega a try? |
| 04:27.02 | bronxcoder | cedega? |
| 04:27.07 | bronxcoder | will google it now |
| 04:27.07 | thumPer1052 | my guess would be either wrong fs type, or bad filesystem |
| 04:27.08 | K_Dallas | it is wine for games |
| 04:27.10 | spuer | is there any tutorial you can suggest? |
| 04:27.10 | Hatter | trave11er: yes, it compiled cleanly when removing the offending RAM module |
| 04:27.18 | trave11er | ah |
| 04:27.25 | trave11er | Hatter: so it was hw problem |
| 04:27.29 | Hatter | yes |
| 04:27.38 | liable | !tell spuer about usb-storage |
| 04:28.18 | ethics | is there ecc ddr1/2ram or is it standard now? |
| 04:28.21 | spuer | thanks, I'll try this one. |
| 04:28.37 | shivraj | bronxcoder : Im in Queens |
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| 04:29.35 | shivraj | windows has good games, can't argue with that, but everything else sucks |
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| 04:29.42 | jENNA | http://blog.myspace.com/perniciousrapture add me bitcges |
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| 04:30.20 | gullyfoyle | i cant give up windoze at home cuz my 5-year-old loves the spongebob and nemo games |
| 04:30.20 | ethics | shivra: lol my windows box is very stable now that i dont install more MS crap on top of it hehe |
| 04:30.33 | bronxcoder | k_dalles, explain this wonderfull (but subscription based) |
| 04:30.39 | ethics | nemo games are cool tho hes got taste |
| 04:30.40 | bronxcoder | "cedeca" thing to me |
| 04:30.46 | bronxcoder | please |
| 04:30.58 | gullyfoyle | spongebob is kinda cool too |
| 04:31.05 | supsup | Hello. I just ran apt-get upgrade and now things won't work. It won't get an IP from my router and when I try to login into KDE the screen blanks for a moment and then goes right back to the login manager. How do I revert my upgrade? I think I may have added some unstable repos by mistake and upgraded to those versions of things. |
| 04:31.20 | ethics | never got into spongebob... |
| 04:31.40 | Moonscope | anyone know how to 'highlight' only ops messages in mIRC? |
| 04:32.04 | thumPer1052 | we failed spuer |
| 04:32.07 | thumPer1052 | lol |
| 04:32.09 | ethics | gullyfoyl: thats really bad if you did have unstable sources |
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| 04:32.50 | thumPer1052 | should've been running plan 9 |
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| 04:33.33 | supsup | so there's no way for me to undo that? |
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| 04:34.00 | ethics | gullyfoyle: if you upgraded to sid your prolly reinstalling if your at etch you may have some hope |
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| 04:34.15 | matthewct | Anyone: what's the debian channel for debian newbies? |
| 04:34.24 | gravity | This would be it, but beware |
| 04:34.47 | matthewct | gravity: you mean... this is an "rtfm"-flinging channel? |
| 04:34.52 | K_Dallas | matthewct, read the FAQ and rules of the chan and IRC in general and ask your Qs here, then practice safe IRCing |
| 04:34.59 | gravity | matthewct: More or less, but we usually tell you which man to read |
| 04:35.04 | mwilson | No, this is merely a channel that expects you to be able to read. |
| 04:35.08 | ethics | hehe enough said hehehe |
| 04:35.12 | nvz | raising my monitor 6inches makes it so much easier to see. its like at eye level now |
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| 04:35.41 | ethics | nvz: you could have lowered your head 6 inches too... |
| 04:35.54 | thumPer1052 | lol |
| 04:36.01 | K_Dallas | poor supsup |
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| 04:36.15 | shivraj | mwilson : I still have to get that up and running on my imac |
| 04:36.23 | mwilson | fink == open-source package management for OS X |
| 04:36.36 | thumPer1052 | lies? |
| 04:36.37 | matthewct | fink == mostly broken packages |
| 04:36.47 | nvz | so far the laptop/monitor stand and the power unit under it are the only new pieces of equipment I am actually using. these little power thingies are cool. I now got buttons for my PC, Monitor, Printer, Lights..etc all right here in front of me :) |
| 04:36.51 | mwilson | matthewct: Haven't noticed them to be so. |
| 04:36.53 | solomonn | ah.. for lucky owners of expensive mac hardware huh :) |
| 04:36.58 | gravity | I hear darwinports or whatever is the new fink |
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| 04:37.08 | matthewct | mwilson: try apt-get install kde .. then try almost anything kde |
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| 04:37.35 | thumPer1052 | isn't aptitude supposed to be better for large packages? |
| 04:37.39 | K_Dallas | Q: If I install a newer version of firefox in a directory of mine not the default one, would that conflict with the one i have already installed thru apt-get? |
| 04:37.42 | mwilson | matthewct: <shrug> Anyone who installs an entire DE on top of OS X is a moron anyway. |
| 04:37.43 | gravity | thumPer1052: More like for large sets of packages |
| 04:37.47 | gravity | thumPer1052: But yes |
| 04:37.56 | thumPer1052 | ahhh |
| 04:37.59 | nvz | I was going to use that "Department Control Center" thingy as a switch, but its powersupply seems to not work all of a sudden and its not the fuse.. so I said fuck it. I will have to build a router if I want more pcs down here |
| 04:38.26 | thumPer1052 | I'm new to debian |
| 04:38.29 | matthewct | mwilson: wilson... well.. it would be nice to have many of its features... os x is rather desolate, feature-wise.. |
| 04:38.38 | shivraj | mwilson : u know how to fix the problems with the compiler ?? I can't find hte right developer's kit |
| 04:39.14 | jasoncohen | there is no way to get dpkg to install dependencies from a .deb's control file right? |
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| 04:39.20 | dondelelcaro | shivraj: what is your actual question? Furthermore, stop using 'u'. |
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| 04:39.58 | nvz | dondelelcaro: Y wats ur problem? :P |
| 04:39.58 | mwilson | matthewct: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 04:40.02 | shivraj | dondelelcaro : its an osx thingy |
| 04:40.23 | mwilson | jasoncohen: No, that's not what dpkg is supposed to do. |
| 04:40.33 | matthewct | mwilson: i'll just stay quiet on this.. it's the debian channel... |
| 04:40.39 | dondelelcaro | shivraj: ask in #macosx then |
| 04:40.39 | nvz | shivraj: don't blame laziness and stupidiy on your OS |
| 04:40.53 | jasoncohen | mwilson, and apt-get can't be used unless it's from an apt source? |
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| 04:41.39 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Uh, that is sort of what it's meant to do... that's like asking why apt-get can't do Gentoo emerges. |
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| 04:42.00 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: yes, you can install the dependencies. Easiest method is to just manually specify them, though. |
| 04:42.00 | ethics | is someone familiar with ho "menu" builds it's list |
| 04:42.01 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Or why a VHS VCR only plays VHS tapes. |
| 04:42.03 | thumPer1052 | neither can emerge |
| 04:42.04 | shivraj | nvz : u're right, |
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| 04:42.13 | ethics | s/ho/how |
| 04:42.24 | dondelelcaro | ethics: what in particular about it? |
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| 04:42.40 | jasoncohen | mwilson, i don't understand why though. the .deb contains all the information needed to satisfy its dependencies in its control file. why isn't that info used for a downloaded deb? |
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| 04:43.03 | liable | ok, stupid question time from me. Can anyone view this video and what the hell do I need to get firefox to play it, (spent half the morning googling to try and get it to work.) http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/shared/mediacenter/index.jsp?d=37267&a=409801 |
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| 04:43.33 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: yes, but that information is actually located in the Packages file. The control file in the .deb isn't used at that point in time. |
| 04:43.46 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Because dpkg is a package installation tool, not a dependency-resolution tool. |
| 04:43.54 | illume | is non-US for unstable not around anymore? |
| 04:43.55 | ethics | dondelelcaro: well it's not important but the gnome 2.10 install from sid made them doubles in menu....i know it happened with xfce and kde originally something about IDs but i couldnt find any fix via google....its prolly in BTS but its consistant...3 machines here with it |
| 04:43.59 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, i see |
| 04:44.03 | mwilson | illume: As documented. |
| 04:44.07 | bourneagain | mwilson: Hello sir |
| 04:44.10 | jasoncohen | illume, no- see /topic or release notes |
| 04:44.38 | ethics | dondelelcaro: there are no doubles tho in /etc/menu/usr/lib/menu etc |
| 04:44.44 | jasoncohen | ethics, strange, i didn't see that on either of 2 machines i upgraded to 2.10. is it a reported bug? |
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| 04:44.56 | cast | when you first install debian you get presented with a quick config ncurses script. ive forgotten what its called, anyone remember? for various reasons i never got to see it |
| 04:45.06 | nvz | ethics: it uses scripts IIRC, see /etc/menu-methods/ |
| 04:45.17 | liable | cast: base-config? |
| 04:45.20 | bourneagain | I have some questions about tftp and security. Is there any particular tftp server that is more secure then another? |
| 04:45.22 | cast | :) |
| 04:45.24 | thomas_adam | cast: base-config -- and it's written using dialog |
| 04:45.42 | illume | jasoncohen: mwilson thanks. I'm brain-dead blind etc. |
| 04:45.56 | ethics | jasoncohen: no BTS that i saw the day it happened was testing on 2 other boxes first before bugging |
| 04:46.44 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: have you tried the linux terminal server project website? |
| 04:46.45 | initech | bourneagain: no, they're all insecure and meant to be run on trusted networks only |
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| 04:47.17 | jasoncohen | ethics, i just did a search on reportbug and the only bug with "menu" in it is a minor bug about empty menu entries |
| 04:47.21 | simonrvn | secured, trusted networks |
| 04:47.28 | ethics | jasoncohen: its actually a little intresting because new installed apps are fine just things that were installed before gnome2.10 update |
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| 04:48.04 | ethics | jasoncohen: the xfce bug was talking about a desktopID file or some such thats an old BTS i found similar fault |
| 04:48.23 | bourneagain | initech: Thanks. I sorta assumed that. I take it that means they are on a subnet behind a seperate firewall. This is for a cluster. |
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| 04:48.43 | jasoncohen | ethics, you should report a bug. that's a pretty serious issue- especially when there's no fix |
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| 04:48.52 | Montana | Hello, does anyone have any experience with networking to a shared printer on a XP Machine |
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| 04:49.04 | shivraj | liable : vlc with the media connectivity plugin should work for most video formats, but I can't view the video on that site |
| 04:49.27 | buu | I just compiled a stock kernel and I finally got it to boot and such, but now my mouse isn't working. It's just a regular usb mouse and I've tried loading usbcore and usbhid drivers |
| 04:49.30 | bourneagain | initech: I am searching for ways to make clusters more manageable. Seems every methods has pitfalls and advantages. |
| 04:50.19 | ethics | jasoncohen i will do one today for it on my systems at home as both had it and there was also some others who had the same asking but i said i hadnt found any answer yet other than apt-get remove install...which fixed some of the ones i tried |
| 04:50.40 | jasoncohen | ethics, hmm- does gnome-menu-spec-test show all your menu entries? |
| 04:50.51 | tennin | can I install from a CD image in a DOS partition, using floppies to boot? |
| 04:51.07 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: come up with anything for a distributed filesystem? |
| 04:51.14 | dondelelcaro | ethics: well, the package is menu; and the program that actually does the menu updating is update-menus. I'm not sure what the error message is, but if you recreate it, file a bug. |
| 04:51.29 | tennin | or does the system need a lot more to read from DOS partitions |
| 04:51.40 | ethics | jasoncohen: atm i cannot tell im building a new server at workso i have no access to a gnome 210 one atm 8(....i was just searching around and thought id ask as the nightshift crew all said they didnt know |
| 04:52.04 | jasoncohen | well, good luck |
| 04:52.18 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: Does FAI qualify? |
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| 04:52.29 | jasoncohen | ethics, it must only be affecting a small number of users or someone would have reported it |
| 04:52.31 | tcsetattr | tennin, it sounds doable. of course it's a bit off the beaten path so you're going to have to do some manual mounting during the install |
| 04:52.43 | ethics | dondelelcaro: theres no errors its just a double up on the same stuff update-menus didnt correct so ill bug report it...ill do so on both lappy and 2 desktops so i can see whats different on mine to others too. |
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| 04:53.08 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: I'll have to look it up... is it supposed to be any good? |
| 04:53.16 | tennin | do you know at what point i'll be able to mount? |
| 04:53.22 | bourneagain | thunPer1052: I have not. |
| 04:53.28 | ethics | jasoncohen: yeah i think so not everyone but i cant think whats special about my setups....its just netinst kde gnome |
| 04:53.43 | ethics | jasoncohen as far as WMs.. |
| 04:53.46 | dondelelcaro | ethics: ok, you should also man menufile; and go through those files to see if somehow the files got doubled up. |
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| 04:54.14 | jasoncohen | ethics, i heard in mandrake if you had a specific app installed that would happen- not sure why though |
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| 04:54.28 | ethics | dondelelcaroL noted down for checking ... |
| 04:54.30 | liable | shivraj: cheers, got both, but yeah, cant play it. |
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| 04:55.28 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: 'Fully automatic Installation'... ok |
| 04:55.32 | Azar | damn!! I got another breach in |
| 04:55.33 | tcsetattr | tennin, hit alt-F2 as soon as the main installer menu is up, and work from there |
| 04:55.44 | tennin | thanks |
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| 04:57.06 | Azar | oh is Debian |
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| 04:57.58 | jasoncohen | why is fam in testing/stable while gamin isn't? gamin seems to work a lot better- the RC bug where fam refuses to unmount floppies also seems to affect CD-ROMs and usb keys. i've had no such problems with gamin |
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| 04:58.24 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: bts? maintainer? just cause? |
| 04:58.27 | Kupal[] | f* |
| 04:58.38 | jasoncohen | Supaplex, 0 RC bugs |
| 04:58.49 | Kupal[] | I have an older version of D-I i just ran it its downloadin mirrors.kernel.org testing/main am I on sid? |
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| 04:59.09 | jasoncohen | Supaplex, gamin has 1 bug, 0 RC bugs. fam has 23 bugs, 1 RC bug |
| 04:59.12 | ethics | jasoncohen: is it in sid? |
| 04:59.15 | jasoncohen | yes |
| 04:59.43 | simonrvn | Kupal[]: if you have to ask, a) no ; b) you shouldn't run sid anyway |
| 04:59.45 | jasoncohen | and that RC bug in fam was never fixed |
| 04:59.56 | Kupal[] | simonrvn: I don't want sid |
| 05:00.05 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 05:00.05 | Kupal[] | but i know testing just went to stable right? |
| 05:00.09 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: It uses legacy vanilla PVM code, I believe it has to be NFS since /tmps must be mounted |
| 05:00.21 | Kupal[] | sarge is stable... hmm hmm right? right? |
| 05:00.23 | simonrvn | uh, testing stays testing. it's sarge that's stable now |
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| 05:00.40 | Kupal[] | ahh hrmm.. |
| 05:00.45 | jasoncohen | ethics, perhaps gamin is too young. the first version of gamin was placed into sid on 2/02/2005 |
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| 05:01.06 | simonrvn | woody is oldstable |
| 05:01.14 | Kupal[] | im not a biggot but its got ga. in it.. |
| 05:01.19 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: looks interesting. |
| 05:01.21 | Kupal[] | im not sure about that package.. |
| 05:01.30 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 05:01.36 | Kupal[] | im kidding. |
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| 05:01.46 | simonrvn | it's 'bigot' firstly... |
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| 05:01.55 | ethics | jasoncohen: id say thats long enough if the maintainer was wanting it to if it's bugfree......but then some packages stayed in sid for 1300 days before moving to etch....never even made sarge |
| 05:02.04 | Kupal[] | simonrvn: cool.. that makes sense now ( stable/testing/unstable ) |
| 05:02.14 | jordo23 | Is there a way in debian to view the processes running (Like apache, or mysql, etc?) |
| 05:02.16 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 05:02.18 | Kupal[] | first time I have been around when something went stable. |
| 05:02.27 | Kupal[] | jordo23 ps |
| 05:02.27 | Azar | this is interesting, can the "testing" word be changed to "etch" in sources.list ? |
| 05:02.31 | ethics | jasoncohen: the release cycle from sid to testing is somewhat unknown to me i just accept what i get when i get or go around it |
| 05:02.38 | jasoncohen | ethics, i guess it wouldn't be such a big deal if the alternative wasn't crap |
| 05:02.42 | Kupal[] | jordo23 ps -ax will give you everything i believe. |
| 05:02.43 | thumPer1052 | like top? |
| 05:02.49 | ethics | azar yeah distro names are symlinked |
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| 05:03.02 | simonrvn | Azar: of course |
| 05:03.06 | bourneagain | thunPer1052: Well it has to run legacy stuff. I need someway to really manage the cluster easily. I will not mention one web based package =) |
| 05:03.15 | Azar | thanks ethics, so I guess it is more wise to use "names" instead of "stable" or "testing" |
| 05:03.29 | simonrvn | Azar: depends on the needs at the time |
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| 05:03.39 | Kupal[] | see when i downloaded the DI it said it install's sarge so why wasn't the source.list set to sarge vs testing |
| 05:03.46 | ethics | jasoncohen: perhaps let the maintainer of both know your issues...they may try move it faster....they may not depends on their WHY reasons |
| 05:03.48 | Kupal[] | and what is testing now.. its not sid... |
| 05:03.58 | jasoncohen | i'm not sure if fam causes problems in GNOME but nothing will unmount if it's mounted with a KDE device icon (CD-ROM, floppy, usb key etc.) and replacing fam with gamin immediately resolves the issue |
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| 05:04.22 | Azar | Kupal[], "etch" took the place for testing |
| 05:04.31 | ethics | azar: well it makes better sense atm with 2 stables but then test |
| 05:04.32 | Kupal[] | ahh |
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| 05:04.57 | bourneagain | thunPer1052: I did not really want to learn linux. I thought anyone that knew linux was wasting time and money. |
| 05:05.01 | simonrvn | there's only one 'stable' |
| 05:05.02 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: clusters (as a technology) seem to still be in their infancy |
| 05:05.13 | simonrvn | thumPer1052: on linux, yes |
| 05:05.13 | ethics | azar: testing staying as testing means you move with testing....sarge woody makes good sense...the others are more to conform to a standard way 8) |
| 05:05.15 | Kupal[] | testing was horrible when i first started using debian (5-4 years ago) should i goto stable? or is testing pretty stable ? |
| 05:05.15 | Azar | Kupal[], it is up to you to change the sources.list and define the exact name of what you want to use: "woody" , "sarge", "etch" or "sid" |
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| 05:05.27 | jasoncohen | Kupal[], read this- http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DebianNames |
| 05:05.38 | Kupal[] | I guess I will run sarge cause of the security updates.. |
| 05:05.42 | thumPer1052 | as apposed to? |
| 05:05.48 | simonrvn | vms |
| 05:06.02 | thumPer1052 | well... |
| 05:06.06 | bourneagain | simonrvn: This cluster is not high performance. It just has to get stuff done in a half an hour when it would take 6 hrs. otherwise. |
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| 05:06.32 | bourneagain | simonrvn: A very specific application domain utilizing optimisation. |
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| 05:06.39 | jasoncohen | i've seen many maintainers close bugs because they only affect woody. Since woody still gets security support for the next 12 months or so, shouldn't they be attempting to fix the issue or forwarding it to the debian security team? |
| 05:06.49 | ethics | kupal: stable = production servers all work for sure: testing = should work np has been tested to a installable and functional level.....sid/unstable: WYSIWYG if it breaks wait or fix it yourself |
| 05:06.50 | thumPer1052 | isn't the current round of kernel developement supposed to be all baout clustering? |
| 05:07.10 | jasoncohen | i would imagine it's a real bitch to fix some security issues because the woody version is just so old and so much of the code has changed- the maintainers just don't want to bother |
| 05:07.18 | Azar | the only issue when someone wants to install woody now from a CD, like I did is , at installation time, when it comes to configure apt, pick "manual sources" meaning you will actually have to type in the url-s for the source.list and mention "woody" instead of "stable" |
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| 05:07.38 | ethics | kupal: most of the desktop users go testing but you dont have to you can go stable and move up anytime...downgrade is not easy tho |
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| 05:07.53 | Kupal[] | ethics: yeah.. |
| 05:08.06 | simonrvn | downgrading you can very easily get foot bullets |
| 05:08.08 | Kupal[] | i will go stable.. this is going to end up becoming a dusty server.. |
| 05:08.21 | Kupal[] | just so used to testing cause woody you couldn't do shit. |
| 05:09.02 | Kupal[] | wish this was called Buzz instead of Etch, but what are you going to do.. |
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| 05:09.10 | jasoncohen | ethics, testing would be a better choice for the desktop if it had relatively quick security fixes like unstable usually does |
| 05:09.30 | ethics | kupal: buzz has been and gone i think |
| 05:09.35 | tcsetattr | you're several years too late for buzz |
| 05:09.35 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: CLustering has so many different expectations. In this case it is clustering for algorithms that search through large trees. Every cluster architecture has its own application domain, cost & performance tradeoffs. I don't think one clustering solution would be the clustering solution. |
| 05:09.38 | Kupal[] | sad so sad |
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| 05:09.49 | Azar | if woody could use a 2.6.x kernel I'd be still using it, the 2.4.x looks vulnerable |
| 05:09.54 | jasoncohen | Kupal[], Debian 1.1 Buzz (June 17th, 1996): This was the first Debian release with a code name. It was taken, like all others so far, from a character in the movie Toy Story... in this case, Buzz Lightyear |
| 05:10.14 | jasoncohen | This release was fully ELF, used Linux kernel 2.0, and contained 474 packages. - a great deal has changed since then, heh |
| 05:10.21 | carlb | setting up my first debian server and have a question about partitioning: where is the outer portion of the hard disk... at the "end of the free space" or the "beginning" |
| 05:10.23 | ethics | kupal: etch = etchesketch alsotoystory |
| 05:10.29 | Kupal[] | well maybe one day we will get lihtyear (when they run out of names ) hehehe |
| 05:10.35 | simonrvn | etch-a-sketch |
| 05:11.07 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: so you're using PVM? |
| 05:11.08 | jasoncohen | Azar, i'm still trying to figure out why there's been no security update for gaim |
| 05:11.21 | jasoncohen | Azar, fedora, mandrake, ubuntu and suse already released patches i believe |
| 05:11.30 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: The developer used PVM. |
| 05:11.31 | ethics | kupal: well theres 80 leutenants named as models names at pixar so i dont think we will be short |
| 05:11.32 | carlb | (has to be a good omen... starting to set up the server and discovering that sarge is out) |
| 05:11.32 | Azar | jasoncohen, I am looking no updates of any kind for this past week |
| 05:11.42 | jasoncohen | Azar, no updates of any kind since june 3rd! |
| 05:12.18 | jasoncohen | gaim 1.3.1 went into sid on 6-10. |
| 05:12.18 | Azar | jasoncohen maybe because those you have mentioned, are more vulnerable than Debian |
| 05:12.24 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: I wonder what the performance diff is between that, and a openmosix solution... |
| 05:12.55 | jasoncohen | Azar, i doubt it. sarge has 1.2.1 with security updates from 1.3. I asked on #gaim and was told that 1.2.1 is vulnerable |
| 05:12.58 | carlb | an additional question (seeing I am not getting much traction on my first): |
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| 05:13.06 | carlb | should swap be a primary partition? |
| 05:13.10 | Azar | jasoncohen, I am never using messengers, but I read that aim has security problems |
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| 05:13.24 | amax | esos |
| 05:13.36 | Azar | jasoncohen maybe because gaim is not a debian package? |
| 05:13.45 | jasoncohen | Azar, what do you mean? |
| 05:13.48 | jasoncohen | gaim is in main |
| 05:13.54 | TTT_Travis|G3 | could someone send me a link to the Debian Sarge NETINSTALL? the main debian site is not loading for me |
| 05:13.58 | jasoncohen | Azar, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gaim.html |
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| 05:14.04 | dondelelcaro | TTT_Travis|G3: /topic |
| 05:14.05 | Azar | jasoncohen, it is "offered" but not a Debian product |
| 05:14.05 | tcsetattr | it doesn't matter what's on a primary partition. And I don't think that the physical layout of modern hard drives is something that's knowable to anyone but the manufacturer |
| 05:14.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell TTT_Travis|G3 -about install debian |
| 05:14.18 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: I don't think PVM can really take advantage of anything OpenMosix has to offer. Dunno though. |
| 05:14.22 | jasoncohen | TTT_Travis|G3, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gaim.html |
| 05:14.29 | jasoncohen | TTT_Travis|G3, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 05:14.30 | jasoncohen | sorry |
| 05:14.41 | carlb | thanks tcsetattr |
| 05:15.05 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: are you talking about #303581? |
| 05:15.06 | TTT_Travis|G3 | thankyou jasoncohen |
| 05:15.08 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 303581 |
| 05:15.16 | dpkg | #303581:I[gaim] gaim my be crashed remotely: CAN-2005-0965 CAN-2005-0966 (security, woody) Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:33:09 UTC |
| 05:15.26 | carlb | was reading and people recommend putting swap on the outer edges of the hard drive |
| 05:15.27 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, no |
| 05:15.29 | Azar | personally I would be glad if Debian system would spit out outside, 3rd party software that show be buggy, just freeze them or autodelete them |
| 05:15.30 | carlb | for speed |
| 05:15.37 | carlb | just wondering where that is... |
| 05:15.39 | DrRighteous | looking for assistance with user-mode linux networking configuration. Use uml-utilities package, but can't get UML image to network with public internet. anyone? |
| 05:15.42 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, ew upstream version. Fixes two remote DoS/crash security bugs, |
| 05:15.42 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.47 | Kupal[] | anyone offer lvm advice, i want to do lvm root.... |
| 05:15.56 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: file the bug then. |
| 05:15.59 | jasoncohen | http://gaim.sourceforge.net/security/ |
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| 05:16.07 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: since it hasn't been filed against the gaim package |
| 05:16.08 | carlb | which way are drives written to... from outside in or inside out |
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| 05:16.32 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, but they must already know. 1.3.1 went into sid immediately...won't i get bitched at? |
| 05:16.50 | carlb | (would answer my question and allow me to continue setup) |
| 05:16.54 | tcsetattr | historically, I believe the "beginning" of the disk is the outer edge... at least that's the way it was on old floppies where the outer tracks had more sectors than the inner ones :) |
| 05:17.16 | Kupal[] | that makes sense.. |
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| 05:17.18 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: yeah, if you need a lot of interprocess communication mosix is useles. But it's pretty cool to watch it migrate processes, load balance, etc. |
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| 05:18.06 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: file the bug, and tag it security,sarge,testing (if the vulnerable version is still in testing) with severity >= serious |
| 05:18.11 | tcsetattr | but those were one-sided floppies... if you had to number the sectors of a multi-platter, multi-sided "disk", how would you handle it? you might find that the "beginning" of the disk is at the outer edge of just one platter |
| 05:18.13 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: yeah this stuff really can't be moved around. Max memory usage I think is around 1.5 Gig. |
| 05:18.22 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 05:18.34 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, but if i get bitchslapped i'm blaming you :) |
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| 05:18.54 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: We are trying to do this with stuff that should be shared memory architecture. |
| 05:19.03 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: if you do it properly, you won't get slapped. Robot101 won't do that. |
| 05:19.07 | mwilson | <sigh> and libfreetype6 gets hosed *again*! #315150 |
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| 05:19.17 | mwilson | Every time it gets a new maintainer, it gets hosed. |
| 05:19.26 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: how many nodes? |
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| 05:19.44 | empty | mwilson, probably why it gets lots of new maintainers? |
| 05:19.45 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, hmm the 1.3.1-1 update was only medium. maybe i should report it as normal |
| 05:19.45 | carlb | thanks again tcsetattr |
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| 05:20.03 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: no, the severity is at least serious. |
| 05:20.07 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: Not many, just 8. But the "processor count" under linix is 32 |
| 05:20.16 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: the tagging makes it so that it won't affect the transition into testing. |
| 05:20.20 | mwilson | empty: <shrug> I have no idea... I just know it's a package I always audit when it gets updated. |
| 05:20.32 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, it asks why i'm tagging it as serious- and it wants 1,2, or 3 as a choice. should i leave it unknown? |
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| 05:20.34 | bourneagain | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.28 | shivraj | I want to set the fg in eterm to bright white .. how do I do that ? |
| 05:21.45 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: so you're finding the tools to administer the cluster to be a bit thin? |
| 05:22.04 | Kupal[] | <G> I wander how many debian boxes I have given birth to so far :) |
| 05:22.11 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: Well to do it well without babysitting it. But I am no expert. |
| 05:22.12 | mwilson | shivraj: Oddly enough, eterm has a man page for just this purpose. |
| 05:22.23 | Kupal[] | atleast 10.. |
| 05:22.59 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: I forget what the options are there... it's serious because it's RC. |
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| 05:23.25 | empty | mwilson, that's crazytalk |
| 05:23.34 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: My solution is fairly simple right now. I am mostly concerned about maint. The master can be autoinstalled via a CD. Then the nodes autoinstall via PXE. Of course it is better if you don't turn then all on at a time. |
| 05:24.02 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: some projects expect everyone to take the time to BECOME an expert. Guess you're supposed to be able to roll your own tools. |
| 05:24.05 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: http://newraff.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html will be useful too. |
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| 05:25.01 | bourneagain | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.41 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, ok, i gave it priority serious with security, sarge, and testing tags |
| 05:26.06 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: I think the research multiuser clusters are a far more demanding environment. I am trying to consider what cluster management tools make sense in this setting. |
| 05:26.41 | tcsetattr | if you submit a simple "obviously-correct" patch to BTS, and the package maintainer never replies... how long before you get annoyed? |
| 05:26.43 | empty | bourneagain, distributed webmin... hehe |
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| 05:26.59 | thumPer1052 | bourneagain: From what little I've read, it's all pretty low level at the moment. |
| 05:27.10 | bourneagain | empty: Actually that is what I am using =) |
| 05:27.15 | bourneagain | heh, heresy! |
| 05:27.18 | empty | bourneagain, .... |
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| 05:27.45 | empty | bourneagain, I can see that in a controlled environment over SSL I guess |
| 05:27.47 | bourneagain | empty: It is obviously not the solution =) |
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| 05:28.23 | bourneagain | empty: I wanted something easy. Look if it WORKED and did not corrupt config files. It would be great ;) |
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| 05:28.50 | empty | bourneagain, I have many times thought about writing a daemon that checks a shared ri for new shell scripts and runs them once as root... nasty cludge but would be handy |
| 05:29.17 | dondelelcaro | ugh. a security hole waiting to happen |
| 05:29.46 | thumPer1052 | worse thatn the tftp thing |
| 05:29.54 | empty | dondelelcaro, I know, but the idea would be that a single tight machine would be the only box with write access to the shared dir |
| 05:30.20 | bourneagain | empty: Because of the nature of this environment am using PXE TFTP boot to check for the lastest. Similar idea. |
| 05:30.33 | empty | dondelelcaro, and in my environment I'd run it on the management net- you'd need to root a cluster box to see that net anyway |
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| 05:30.47 | thumPer1052 | Does the cluster HAVE to be on the network? |
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| 05:31.05 | empty | thumPer1052, a cluster of one ox doesn't :-O |
| 05:31.10 | empty | one box |
| 05:31.28 | thumPer1052 | lol, I meant the cluster as a whole |
| 05:32.13 | dondelelcaro | empty: so why write your own daemon? just drop the appropriate files into the centralized crontab or at daemon's root. |
| 05:33.25 | bourneagain | dondelelcaro: Any opinion of FAI? |
| 05:33.35 | empty | dondelelcaro, b/c then I could run each scrpt *once* per bx and keep a local tab of whats been run and what hasn't |
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| 05:33.44 | gullyfoyle | ic ant find my ut2004 cds to install on my new debian box. uh oh, i'm lacking that time-waster. |
| 05:34.02 | dondelelcaro | bourneagain: it works |
| 05:34.22 | bourneagain | dondelelcaro: Yes, and that is saying alot! |
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| 05:34.27 | empty | gullyfoyle, making your friends curse your name as they choke on their own aortal blood is not a waste of time, thats love |
| 05:34.32 | dondelelcaro | empty: at and/or cron already does that... |
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| 05:35.01 | empty | dondelelcaro, Really?? How? |
| 05:35.05 | gullyfoyle | i hid the cds somewhere and now i cant find them! |
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| 05:35.28 | gullyfoyle | i'm jonesin man! |
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| 05:35.47 | dondelelcaro | empty: at only runs a job once. The fact thata it has run is indiated in the logs. Similarly for cron, save the job is run multiple times at the appropriate time. |
| 05:35.54 | gullyfoyle | dont make me...gasp...boot windoze....aaaggh |
| 05:35.54 | thumPer1052 | is their a pachage for 2004? |
| 05:35.57 | ding0k | if I switched my hard drive from secondary master to primary master, what all would I have to change for my linux install to continue to function -- just changing fstab ? |
| 05:35.59 | dondelelcaro | thumPer1052: ? |
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| 05:36.01 | empty | "at" runs something once but I'd still need to set up the "at"job, so I may as well be doing the shell script myself at that point |
| 05:36.15 | dondelelcaro | empty: no, you just drop the at job in the appropriate folder. |
| 05:36.22 | dondelelcaro | s/folder/directory/ |
| 05:36.32 | johnnybezak | hey guys i'm connecting to a box in another room with vnc, but it's not showing the gnome desktop/panels etc. |
| 05:36.45 | empty | dondelelcaro, I can't believe you of all people just said folder :D |
| 05:36.49 | thumPer1052 | was wondering if I could install games via apt-get |
| 05:36.58 | dondelelcaro | empty: you don't know my background. If you did you would understand. |
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| 05:37.03 | empty | thumPer1052, several yes |
| 05:37.12 | mwilson | shivraj: Is there some reason in particular you find it necessary to msg me? |
| 05:37.15 | empty | dondelelcaro, ahhh file clerk than :P |
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| 05:37.19 | empty | Ah |
| 05:37.21 | SM2k | since sarge was released, there's been no code freeze in unstable, correct? just wondering why an update then dist-upgrade indicates my system is up to date... |
| 05:37.31 | thumPer1052 | be nice to install truecombat without having to think |
| 05:37.40 | thumPer1052 | defeats the purpose of gaming |
| 05:37.45 | thumPer1052 | if i have to think |
| 05:37.51 | thumPer1052 | lol |
| 05:37.54 | dondelelcaro | SM2k: if you're actually using unstable, there are updates every 24 hours. |
| 05:38.03 | empty | dondelelcaro, can you define additional dirs for at to check? at might be my man |
| 05:38.15 | SM2k | should be. I have a one-line sources.list at the moment... |
| 05:38.31 | empty | thumPer1052, you can apt-get freeciv, but given your stated preference... |
| 05:38.42 | dondelelcaro | empty: it's just /var/spool/cron/atjobs; presumably you can patch atd to monitor different directories |
| 05:38.45 | SM2k | unless I missed something: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 05:38.45 | SM2k | will get me unstable... |
| 05:39.03 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: I have been in software for awhile. I wrote the spec for SuperCalc talking to Adam Osborne over the phone for 2 hrs. one day. Heh, those were the days!!!! |
| 05:39.07 | empty | dondelelcaro, ...or just rm that dir and symlink it to my nfs mount |
| 05:39.09 | dondelelcaro | SM2k: and when was the last time you upgraded? |
| 05:39.17 | SM2k | erm. early june. |
| 05:39.23 | empty | dondelelcaro, or hell just mount the share there... rad I will investigate that, thank you |
| 05:39.33 | thumPer1052 | empty: I played that game for two weeks straight once. (really broke) can't bear... |
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| 05:40.27 | empty | thumPer1052, you can get freecraft too if thats your gig, or if you have old doom WADs lying around the doom engine |
| 05:40.44 | empty | thumPer1052, if you are feeling brave and BOFHish check out psdoom |
| 05:40.52 | Spec[x] | psdoom is awesome |
| 05:41.01 | ttick | empty: heh, doom WADs, almost forgot about those. |
| 05:41.02 | thumPer1052 | might try that |
| 05:41.02 | sparr_ | How can I calibrate the center position for my joystick(s)? |
| 05:41.16 | johnnybezak | anyone know why when I connect to a remote box with vnc it doesnt show the window manager properly |
| 05:41.16 | dondelelcaro | SM2k: well, I know for a fact there have been loads of updates since then... apt-cache policy libgnome2-0; FE. |
| 05:41.19 | Spec[x] | I wanna rewrite it so it kills only users sessions, and spawn a doom on everyone's computer in an LTSP environment :p |
| 05:41.35 | Spec[x] | and make it so their character = their pid |
| 05:41.46 | empty | Spec, that would be fun, you get aced and your doom client dies |
| 05:41.46 | thumPer1052 | I think truecombat requires q3a, and I can't find my cd's, lol |
| 05:41.54 | Spec[x] | empty, no |
| 05:42.03 | Spec[x] | empty, you get aced and your entire client dies :p |
| 05:42.09 | gullyfoyle | friggin cds start to migrate |
| 05:42.12 | SM2k | dondelelcaro: is there some particular reason a system would then decide no upgrades were avail? like a locked package (at least I assume a concept like that exists) |
| 05:42.20 | trave11er | somebody wrote a process killer based on doom once |
| 05:42.22 | Spec[x] | so spawn 'em when everyone's working and say "i hope you've saved....or you're really good at doom" |
| 05:42.29 | dondelelcaro | SM2k: if you've put every single package on hold, yes, that can happen. |
| 05:42.30 | thumPer1052 | I was running gentoo when I 'discovered' truecombat, and there was an ebuild |
| 05:42.37 | empty | Spec[x], if you write that let me know, that would be a big hit with the tech staff in my call center... on their thinclients |
| 05:42.39 | Spec[x] | trave11er, psdoom |
| 05:42.55 | thumPer1052 | now I have to like rtfm, and google and stuff |
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| 05:43.03 | bourneagain | thumPer1052: I wish I knew what you know about this stuff. I started learning this stuff last week. It has been 14 hrs days of reading and sitting in from of a computer screen. I am a .NET developer not a linux expert, shessh. |
| 05:43.06 | Spec[x] | empty, i've wanted to write it for a year now, i'm not a very good programmer though, i haven't even looked at it in depth -.- |
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| 05:43.22 | Spec[x] | i don't think psdoom has multiplayer support, but i'm not sure |
| 05:43.39 | SM2k | dondelelcaro: is there a way off hand to know which packages are held back then? |
| 05:43.57 | SM2k | dondelelcaro: and to remove said hold? |
| 05:44.08 | thumPer1052 | isn't Linux expert an oxymoron? |
| 05:44.15 | thumPer1052 | LOL |
| 05:44.26 | Spec[x] | how is linux expert an oxymoron? |
| 05:44.28 | thumPer1052 | let the flaming begin |
| 05:44.56 | SM2k | thumPer1052: applied for a job a few weeks ago and they told me I needed 15 yrs linux experience... :-D ahem. not even linus himself has that... |
| 05:45.04 | greyson | thumPer1052: Where does the line between Linux Novice (most people) and Linus come? |
| 05:45.08 | Phated | SM2k: Hah. |
| 05:45.14 | dondelelcaro | SM2k: that's why I asked to see the output of apt-cache policy libgnome2-0; |
| 05:45.30 | bourneagain | How about network security is that an oxymoron? |
| 05:45.36 | greyson | SM2k: That's like companies that have been looking for 6 years of Java experience a few years ago. |
| 05:45.43 | Spec[x] | It's really not being a Linux expert....it's more like being a GNU/Linux expert.... |
| 05:45.46 | greyson | bourneagain: No, it's a job title. |
| 05:45.48 | thumPer1052 | I think everyone (in the linux comunity) has pockets of expertise... |
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| 05:45.58 | Spec[x] | This is Debian GNU/Linux, in case you all didn't know what debian was |
| 05:46.15 | shivraj | anyone know how to change the text to bright white in eterm ??? |
| 05:46.16 | johnnybezak | do any of you guys know much about MAKEDEV? |
| 05:46.22 | dondelelcaro | johnnybezak: just ask your question. |
| 05:46.28 | solomonn | can i cmp the output of two commands without putting both outputs in files? or am i looking for something besides cmp? |
| 05:46.29 | jm_ | MAKEDEV is just a shell script |
| 05:46.36 | johnnybezak | yeah i know it is |
| 05:46.40 | bourneagain | greyson: Indeed :) And I am beginning to believe that is all it is! |
| 05:46.44 | mdh | SM2k: sometimes they throw things in like that to see just how much you do know about stuff |
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| 05:46.57 | tennin | i don't have any pockets of expertise! |
| 05:47.07 | thumPer1052 | so sad |
| 05:47.11 | johnnybezak | I'm trying to make a video /dev entry, and for some reason it is putting it under "/dev/.static/dev/video* |
| 05:47.14 | tcsetattr | cmp <(cmd1) <(cmd2) # zsh syntax, though bash might have stolen it by now |
| 05:47.19 | greyson | bourneagain: Hehe... well, I know people that work in whole departments subsidized for that exact reason. |
| 05:47.20 | SM2k | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/paste/results/T2jd0a29.html |
| 05:47.24 | johnnybezak | anyone know why?/what is this .static directory? |
| 05:47.35 | sparr_ | I have a joystick that has controllable backlit buttons in windows... is there any way i can send data to a joystick (arbitrarily, im up for some trial and error tonight) using the normal /dev/input/jsN device?\ |
| 05:47.44 | dondelelcaro | johnnybezak: are you using devfs or udev or something? |
| 05:47.47 | tennin | i'm good at making doomed but glorious attempts to compile glibc |
| 05:47.51 | tennin | i guess that's something |
| 05:47.58 | bourneagain | greyson: I have a friend that recently finished a GEAC cert. He is in demand. |
| 05:48.00 | dondelelcaro | 50 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages <-- this would be the problem. |
| 05:48.02 | johnnybezak | dondelelcaro: how can I check |
| 05:48.04 | dondelelcaro | SM2k: ^^^ |
| 05:48.06 | mdh | SM2k: a bullshit artist would crap on about how they have 20 years Linux experience, sometimes those things are designed specifically to weed out the people who are thinking from those who aren't |
| 05:48.09 | thumPer1052 | everyone has a God give talent... |
| 05:48.10 | greyson | GEAC |
| 05:48.11 | greyson | L |
| 05:48.13 | greyson | ? |
| 05:48.25 | greyson | (Sorry all, had trouble with my '?' key. |
| 05:48.27 | solomonn | tcsetattr: perfecto. thanks! |
| 05:48.36 | dondelelcaro | SM2k: You've got a /etc/apt/apt.conf or similar that is pinning stable to 50 instead of the default 100. |
| 05:48.43 | jm_ | sparr_: read Documentation/input/* |
| 05:49.27 | bourneagain | greymon: Yeah banking sysadmins get it. |
| 05:49.30 | bourneagain | typically |
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| 05:50.21 | greyson | bourneagain: (Was that directed at me?) |
| 05:50.28 | mdh | tcsetattr: that works in bash |
| 05:50.49 | bourneagain | greyson: Sorry forgot to use the tab key |
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| 05:51.13 | SM2k | dondelelcaro: wow. I've been using debian for a year now and never heard of that. any good places to go RTFM? |
| 05:51.14 | greyson | bourneagain: Ah... okay, just made the connect... yeah, I was actually thinking about a friend of mine who works for a bank in the Information Protection Dept.. |
| 05:51.16 | sobersabre | need help... with hp zx6000... i think i wrote something bad into the EFI boot... |
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| 05:51.35 | dondelelcaro | SM2k: man apt_preferences; for starters, then man apt.conf; |
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| 05:51.42 | mdh | SM2k: the debian manuals on www.debian.org (you can apt-get install them too) |
| 05:52.19 | greyson | I'm tempted to start taking the SNL approach to troubleshooting "Greyson! My outlook crashed!" "Then don't *OPEN* it!" |
| 05:52.34 | johnnybezak | dondelelcaro: is there a way i can check if i'm using devfs or udev? |
| 05:52.42 | supsup | I'm having trouble installing KDE. When I install it, I get error: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/konq-plugins_4%3a3.3.2-4_amd64.deb (--unpack) trying to overwrite /usr/share/mimelnk/application/w-ebarchive.desktop, which is also in package kdelibs-data |
| 05:53.15 | supsup | i think packages from the two versions got intermingled, I had repos with both 3.4.1 and 3.3 in them and it got things from both when I ran apt-get install kde |
| 05:54.00 | dondelelcaro | johnnybezak: mount; should tell you... |
| 05:54.04 | bob2 | supsup: the kde packages are broken |
| 05:54.19 | SM2k | thanks for the help guys |
| 05:54.20 | supsup | how do I fix that? i've tried already apt-get autoclean and apt-get clean and apt-get remove and updating the source file and running apt-get update |
| 05:54.22 | thumPer1052 | within stable? |
| 05:54.46 | jm_ | install it manually with appropriate options |
| 05:54.48 | johnnybezak | why would MAKEDEV be making these devices in this directory ".static" what is the point? |
| 05:54.59 | supsup | how do I install it manually? |
| 05:55.08 | greyson | supsup: dpkg -i |
| 05:55.13 | tcsetattr | there's probably a dpkg --force-* you could use |
| 05:55.19 | dondelelcaro | johnnybezak: no, MAKEDEV wouldn't be, that's just where devfs or udev is probably putting them. |
| 05:55.20 | jm_ | the point is that you still have the files, even if udev/devfs doesn't create it |
| 05:55.22 | supsup | dpkg -i kde? |
| 05:55.34 | streuner | supsup: no |
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| 05:55.46 | streuner | supsup: why the fuck are you running unstable? |
| 05:55.53 | johnnybezak | dondelelcaro: is there a way to stop it doing that? |
| 05:56.03 | supsup | ^_^ sorry I'm new at this. dpkg -i the thing? I'm not, i'm running sarge |
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| 05:56.24 | streuner | supsup: read /topic |
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| 05:56.39 | greyson | streuner: Good catch there. |
| 05:56.39 | tcsetattr | how did you get conflicting packages if you're running stable? |
| 05:56.45 | streuner | supsup: 2) 3.4 packages are actually for unstablle |
| 05:56.50 | streuner | supsup: 2) 3.4 packages are actually for unstable |
| 05:57.00 | dondelelcaro | johnnybezak: WRITE_ON_UDEV=0 MAKEDEV video; should work. |
| 05:57.15 | greyson | supsup: Yeah, when the upgrade happened, our nice 'testing' machines suddenly become unstable. |
| 05:57.24 | greyson | (I think)... |
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| 05:57.54 | supsup | ppppppppfff ok so I gotta install kde 3.3 then? Can I just have it stop all of this and uninstall what it has so I can do apt-get install kde again with the 3.3 source? |
| 05:58.17 | supsup | by source i mean repo |
| 05:58.43 | johnnybezak | dondelelcaro: yeah it worked, hopefully the card works:) |
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| 05:59.39 | greyson | supsup: Good luck -- you may as well be off backing up the stuff you want to keep and starting again. |
| 05:59.56 | thumPer1052 | he'll be bourne again... and again... |
| 06:00.03 | johnnybezak | dondelelcaro: yeah it worked, hopefully the card works:) |
| 06:01.34 | supsup | ;( i just did that. I guess I'll reinstall again, dang. |
| 06:01.53 | streuner | supsup: or just run testing/etch, but remove all packages for KDE and reinstall KDE then |
| 06:02.05 | streuner | !remove kde |
| 06:02.05 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 06:02.37 | deadcat | tw |
| 06:02.47 | supsup | cool thanks, I'll try that, that'd be real cool if it worked, thank you ^_^ |
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| 06:03.02 | grepper | apt-get --purge remove libarts1 is probably better |
| 06:03.12 | bob2 | it's disturbing that even with $50 postage, it's cheaper to get 4 books from the US than from here |
| 06:03.23 | greyson | streuner: Oh... is testing still fairly stable? |
| 06:03.27 | thumPer1052 | I'm new to debian, but removing something like kde (under Gentoo) could break a lot ... |
| 06:03.53 | bob2 | thumPer1052: it won't break anything on Debian |
| 06:03.55 | streuner | greyson: i wouldn't know, iam running sarge and sid |
| 06:03.58 | greyson | (I downgraded my testing server to stable when the change came around... I really should use the codenames) |
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| 06:04.56 | Casanova | hello.. i installed debian sarge yesterday... i can get the audio to work.. can some one help me? |
| 06:05.07 | greyson | Casanova: What where you using before? |
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| 06:05.17 | jm_ | help you with what? things that are working? |
| 06:05.24 | Casanova | greenfly, FC3 |
| 06:05.33 | Casanova | jm_, :D my audio config |
| 06:05.41 | greyson | FC3? |
| 06:05.51 | jm_ | Casanova: but you said you can get it to work - did you mean "can't"? |
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| 06:06.12 | streuner | greyson: Fedora Core 3 |
| 06:06.23 | Casanova | jm_, oops s/can/can't/g |
| 06:06.32 | janchao | k |
| 06:06.32 | swim | folks, ive got a problem (debian-pure64) installed xfce4 sarge, tried to update to sid... it updated like one lib package but nothing else, saying it held back 13 packages. |
| 06:06.41 | greyson | Casanova: What drivers were you using before? |
| 06:06.45 | jm_ | Casanova: load modules for your card, set volume, add yourself to group called audio |
| 06:06.52 | Casanova | greenfly, alsa |
| 06:07.02 | greyson | swim: sid bad, sid no worky all time, good lucky. |
| 06:07.03 | Casanova | jm_, slow down... i am kinda new |
| 06:07.08 | swim | oh nm had to do dist-upgrade |
| 06:07.11 | streuner | hm |
| 06:07.17 | swim | greyson: I allways use sid |
| 06:07.23 | greyson | Casanova: Could you please stop calling me greenfly ? :) |
| 06:07.35 | Casanova | sorry :p |
| 06:07.39 | greyson | hehe |
| 06:07.45 | supsup | I get a bunch of dependency messages |
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| 06:07.59 | greyson | Are you new to debian? |
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| 06:08.03 | supsup | and then it wants to install that stuff that meses it up again |
| 06:08.03 | ethics | grasshoper is much preffered 8) |
| 06:08.16 | Casanova | greyson, yes |
| 06:08.19 | Casanova | first time |
| 06:08.26 | greyson | ethics: pbbbt |
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| 06:08.39 | ethics | supsup: change the sources reupdate remove kde |
| 06:08.47 | ethics | greyson heheh |
| 06:08.51 | supsup | i did ;( |
| 06:08.57 | greyson | Casanova: You're familiar with aptitude, and configuring your own kernel? |
| 06:09.06 | Casanova | greyson, no no |
| 06:09.08 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 06:09.09 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 06:09.20 | Casanova | greyson, i installed the 2.6 kernel |
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| 06:09.30 | ethics | supsup: are you sure? the shit that breaks it impliews the wrong source or no update |
| 06:09.43 | greyson | Casanova: What soundcard do you have? |
| 06:10.01 | Casanova | greyson, intel inbuilt 865 GBF |
| 06:10.05 | Casanova | extreme audio 2 |
| 06:10.11 | greyson | Casanova: valdyn has a point... |
| 06:10.41 | thumPer1052 | I'm useing alsa with a vanilla kernel. It all works, but if I run alsa-config, it unloads my alsa drivers, then says it can't find any cards. |
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| 06:10.47 | greyson | Casanova: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/alsa.html |
| 06:10.51 | Casanova | greyson, dpkg 's advice worked |
| 06:10.52 | greyson | Might be a good place to start. |
| 06:10.59 | Casanova | dpkg, thanx a lot |
| 06:11.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, a lot! You've just made the life of your keyboard one keystroke longer! |
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| 06:11.24 | greyson | Casanova: Of course it did... although dpkg is a bot... valdyn was the one who triggered it. |
| 06:11.32 | Casanova | ohhhhhhh |
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| 06:11.55 | thumPer1052 | looooolllllllllllll |
| 06:12.21 | pressureman_ | anyone here running dexter's php5? |
| 06:12.44 | ethics | !anyone |
| 06:12.44 | dpkg | somebody said anyone was ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 06:13.31 | nvz | going down to add a nic and setup ipmasq I guess *shrug* damn switch died on me :P |
| 06:13.31 | ethics | pressureman_, just ask |
| 06:13.33 | elekis | hi |
| 06:13.42 | pressureman_ | ask what? |
| 06:13.46 | elekis | I need help, I have a trouble with java |
| 06:13.54 | pressureman_ | i did ask. i asked if anybody was running dexter's php5. |
| 06:13.58 | thumPer1052 | try c |
| 06:14.03 | bucky | !seen jim |
| 06:14.04 | dpkg | jim is currently on #debian (1d 22h 52m 53s). Has said a total of 12616 messages. Is idling for 2h 23m 14s |
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| 06:14.11 | ethics | pressureman_, whatever your problem is... |
| 06:14.17 | greyson | I've been hanging out here for the last few days, and it's been my first long-time experience with IRC since BBSs were still the way to get online... thank you all for all the sarcastic fun... |
| 06:14.20 | nvz | IBEGONE: turn it off |
| 06:14.29 | ethics | pressureman_, and the answer may be irrelevant to if we can help |
| 06:14.30 | pressureman_ | how do you get around dependency problems for official packages that want php4? |
| 06:14.34 | greyson | Sorry, I was just feeling a bit gushy just then... ignore that I ever said that. |
| 06:14.36 | elekis | I installed java 1.5 and all is ok but I try to make a link fromusr/bin to opt/j1.5/bin/java |
| 06:14.46 | pressureman_ | such as cacti |
| 06:14.52 | elekis | ln -s /opt/jre1.5.0_02/bin/java /usr/bin/java |
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| 06:15.10 | cast | any comments on wheither i should listen to the writer of /etc/default/iptables? it says not to use it and that he didnt even want to write that script...but it seems to do just what i want :) |
| 06:15.20 | valdyn | elekis: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 06:15.45 | elekis | but th'ast doesn't work , I mean , the link is there , but when I tape only java in command line he doen't reconize java |
| 06:16.01 | ttick | greyson: I'm with ya, man. |
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| 06:16.07 | thumPer1052 | is /usr/bin in your PATH? |
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| 06:16.11 | rebecka | my hard drive died, but I managed to save the contents of /var/dpkg (and /etc and several other things). Any suggestions on getting the new HD up and running using this info? |
| 06:16.14 | elekis | yes |
| 06:16.23 | elekis | all other prog work |
| 06:16.36 | thumPer1052 | is it executable? |
| 06:16.39 | elekis | when I tape gimp I have no prob |
| 06:16.57 | pressureman_ | i think my neighbour tapes gimps |
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| 06:17.21 | elekis | heu when I tape /opt/j1.5/bin/java progjava that work |
| 06:17.27 | thumPer1052 | does your neighbor sell the tapes?... |
| 06:17.40 | ethics | rebecka, net inst copy files fro /var/cache/apt accross to new system then it wont reget them when you apt-get them again unless its updated...the etc stuff can go the same place.....what version was it? sarge |
| 06:17.42 | pressureman_ | dunno. never tried to buy em |
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| 06:18.53 | thumPer1052 | when you tape /usr/bin/jave does that work? |
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| 06:19.12 | elekis | heu... wait |
| 06:19.14 | greyson | Random question: Anyone seen LILO or another bootloader use a different keymap, like dvorak? |
| 06:19.16 | pressureman_ | so, does anybody know how to force a package to install, that requires php4, when i instead have dexter's php5 packages installed? |
| 06:19.22 | thumPer1052 | or even TYPE /usr/bin/java? |
| 06:19.41 | rebecka | ethics, thanks. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like I saved /var/cache. I didn't have much time, and I found a website which suggested I only needed /var/dpkg. Am I hosed? |
| 06:19.50 | bob2 | pressureman_: don't bother |
| 06:19.59 | pressureman_ | not possible? |
| 06:20.03 | rebecka | oh, and it was etch (testing) the version, although I had some unstable packages |
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| 06:20.21 | elekis | bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory |
| 06:20.22 | elekis | but |
| 06:20.26 | pressureman_ | sid = testing. etch = unstable |
| 06:20.37 | ttick | !seen shingouz |
| 06:20.38 | elekis | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.38 | elekis | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2005-06-21 17:35 /usr/bin/java -> /opt/jre1.5.0_02/bin/java |
| 06:20.38 | dpkg | shingouz is currently on #debian (8h 32m 49s). Has said a total of 13136 messages. Is idling for 5h 19m 13s |
| 06:21.27 | pressureman_ | i forced libadodb to install by downloading the package, then dpkg -i. |
| 06:21.31 | CQ | can anyone point me to a HOWTO on how to install ORacle clients on Testing? |
| 06:21.31 | jm_ | greyson: you can remap the keys in GRUB |
| 06:21.45 | pressureman_ | but then apt-get looks like it's going to whine about dependency problems forever after |
| 06:21.45 | rebecka | pressureman_ -- sorry, I read the opposite on debian.org today. Is it confused ? ( http://www.debian.org/releases ) |
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| 06:22.13 | pressureman_ | huh? i thought sarge was now stable, sid is now testing, and the new unstable is etch |
| 06:22.15 | ttick | rebecka: sid = unstable, etch= testing |
| 06:22.23 | greyson | jm_: Cool, nice to know in the future. |
| 06:22.32 | ttick | pressureman_: sid is _always_ unstable. |
| 06:22.34 | raf256 | I dont see any kernel-source-2.6.11 ... why? there is kernel-image and -headers for it |
| 06:23.18 | ttick | pressureman_: keeping with the toystory theme, Sid is the evil child -- and thus always the most dangerous version. |
| 06:23.22 | pressureman_ | ttick: didn't know that. poor sid. never going to be anything but unstable |
| 06:23.41 | mdh | elekis: could it be a dangling symlink? |
| 06:23.46 | pressureman_ | i stand corrected then. |
| 06:23.55 | pressureman_ | i guess i need to watch toystory more often |
| 06:24.10 | raf256 | pressureman_: it should be: sarge, sid, sith ;) |
| 06:24.22 | mdh | elekis: apt-get install java-package and build a .deb of the j2sdk |
| 06:24.23 | pressureman_ | i thought sarge turned nasty in toystory? |
| 06:24.28 | thumPer1052 | mdh: so he should delete it and recreate the link? |
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| 06:25.34 | mdh | thumPer1052: the j2sdk/j2re has too many programs to manually link. its much more simpler to use make-jpkg to build a .deb and have everything automatically set up for you the Debian way |
| 06:25.38 | pressureman_ | so getting back to php4 dependencies... why should i not bother trying to force a package to install when i have php5? |
| 06:25.40 | ethics | rebecka, i dont have a /var/dpkg....do you know what files there are in it? heaps of debs? |
| 06:25.49 | pressureman_ | is it that impossible? |
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| 06:26.04 | dondelelcaro | pressureman_: read about equivs. Forcing a package to install is never the right thing to do. |
| 06:26.08 | Coke | ethics: /var/lib/dpkg |
| 06:26.09 | thumPer1052 | mdh: ahhh. I'm still leaning 'The Debian Way'. |
| 06:26.28 | pressureman_ | dondelelcaro: thanks.. i'll check that out. |
| 06:27.10 | ethics | coke cheers.. |
| 06:27.24 | mdh | thumPer1052: we all have to start somewhere :) apt-get install java-package |
| 06:27.30 | Coke | ethics: it's part of dpkg's backend for the packages. |
| 06:27.37 | rebecka | ethics: Oh dear. I was confused about what directory it was (I did backups piecemeal) . It's /var/lib/dpkg. |
| 06:27.39 | ttick | When I insert a USB storage device is /etc/hotplug/usb/usb-storage automagically run each time? |
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| 06:27.52 | ethics | rebecka, well in the dpkg folder theres an info folder which has a .list file for each package you installed so that may help.. |
| 06:28.05 | mdh | thumPer1052: and if you're running sid, deal with the annoying bug in the BTS regarding the current j2sdk not being recognised because of the dpkg screwup |
| 06:28.21 | Coke | ttick: what does the first lines of the script say? |
| 06:28.35 | ethics | rebecka: was it a long lived box? or would netinstall kde/gnome etc put you somewhat close? |
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| 06:29.04 | ttick | Coke: I'm making a script, so it doesn't say anythign yet, but prolly a shebang line: #!/bin/bash or something :) |
| 06:29.04 | rebecka | ethics: well, I have a new laptop and I had quite a bit of custom modules, tools, etc |
| 06:29.26 | ethics | rebecka: any customizations may be there but the actual apps will need redownload and installing from what i can see you having |
| 06:29.53 | thumPer1052 | mdh: I Moved from Gentoo to Debian Stable so I could spend less time on maintenence. |
| 06:29.56 | rebecka | ethics: I did a reinstall of the "desktop environment" and that was the worst ever. Doesn't even install emacs by default! downloading is no big deal. I also saved etc and /usr/local, so a lot of configs are saved |
| 06:30.03 | naphex | Hi. On testing i need to switch off the screen of my laptop, but xset dpms force off does nothing. can anyone help? |
| 06:30.42 | ethics | rebecka, there may be a way to make dpkg use the previous configs from debconf if they lived in there also but id say all your customizations may be harder good news is theres a 2.6.12 kernel you could compile to see what was fixed in it |
| 06:30.43 | rebecka | ethics : so some sort of ls *.list | sed s/.list// | xargs apt-get install ? |
| 06:30.59 | mdh | thumPer1052: you'll be fine then, it isn't broke in stable afaik ;) |
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| 06:32.05 | mdh | ethics: --get-selections and --set-selections ? |
| 06:32.11 | ethics | rebecka, thats an option to get the packages..im thinking more about the previous installed choices debconf choices |
| 06:32.34 | elekis | sory, phone call |
| 06:32.56 | mdh | ethics: debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections ? :) |
| 06:33.11 | ethics | mdh possibly this is getting beyond me i dont know the ins and outs of dpkg |
| 06:33.45 | ethics | mdh im assuming that debconf saves the options you choose in /var/lib/dpkg also |
| 06:34.04 | mdh | ethics: no, it stores it in /var/lib/debconf or something like that |
| 06:34.21 | mdh | ethics: and you can dump and load using the programs debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections |
| 06:34.31 | elekis | jaava-package is already installed |
| 06:34.41 | ethics | mdh then i think shes hosed back to reinstalling and her old package .lists |
| 06:34.55 | mdh | ethics: /var/cache/debconf is exact |
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| 06:35.15 | ethics | rebecka: your reinstalling it would appear and then something like that ls|xargs line |
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| 06:36.06 | mdh | elekis: congratulations. you can now read its doco and use make-jpkg to build a .deb out of a number of working java runtime and development kits |
| 06:36.14 | rebecka | mdh: what do you mean "exact"? |
| 06:36.15 | mdh | elekis: then dpkg -i that .deb |
| 06:36.33 | mdh | rebecka: debconf stores its configs in files in /var/cache/debconf/ |
| 06:36.39 | rebecka | ethics: thanks. i guess i backed up the wrong things then.. |
| 06:36.43 | ethics | rebecka, i personally think the page that said all you needed was /var/lib/dpkg was not correct unless they know something we dont |
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| 06:36.53 | elekis | ok |
| 06:36.55 | elekis | thanks |
| 06:37.14 | x^equa|s1 | what do ppl recommend for a IDS? |
| 06:37.21 | mdh | elekis: I suggest the latest Sun one if you're not adverse to their licensing |
| 06:37.29 | rebecka | mdh: i see. it doesn't sound like it. Such is life. At least installing the right packages is a start. Is there anything useful in there other than that? |
| 06:37.30 | ethics | snort? |
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| 06:37.58 | rebecka | s/mdh/ethics |
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| 06:38.45 | mdh | rebecka: /var/lib/dpkg/ has all the info about the actual packages installed on the system, /var/cache/debconf/ holds the info on the debconf choices you made for some of those packages that use debconf |
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| 06:39.03 | ethics | rebecka, well /etc may help with working out your configs when asked on install...and anything you changed in them of course |
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| 06:39.20 | mdh | x^equa|s1: snort is okay, there's all sorts of other interesting stuff too |
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| 06:39.50 | mdh | x^equa|s1: you might like to use multiple stuff so an attacker doesn't simply figure out you're running snort and perhaps work around that |
| 06:40.25 | rebecka | mdh, ethics: Thank you. I guess I'll try restoring the packages and copying back /etc and seeing what happens. Live and learn and back up. |
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| 06:41.17 | ethics | rebecka, at least you know more about how to backup etc.... |
| 06:41.21 | ethics | rebecka, next time youll be ready hehe |
| 06:41.35 | x^equa|s1 | what do ppl also recommend for file integrity, eg Tripwire, AIDE,etc...? |
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| 06:42.18 | directhex | hire a midget with a shotgun to stand guard over your files |
| 06:42.45 | x^equa|s1 | directhex: i'm on a budget |
| 06:43.00 | mdh | hire a midget who goes "da plane! da plane!" and while they distract the attacker, kneecap them |
| 06:43.06 | directhex | x^equa|s1, outsource all midget operations to india |
| 06:43.39 | x^equa|s1 | directhex: shit, that's a good idea... |
| 06:44.51 | x^equa|s1 | What are ppl here using 4 file integrity? |
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| 06:45.06 | directhex | tripwire. |
| 06:45.08 | directhex | and a midget. |
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| 06:45.39 | x^equa|s1 | directhex: have you tryed AIDE |
| 06:45.40 | mdh | rebecka: when you restore /var/lib/dpkg you can use "dpkg --get-selections" to figure out what packages to reinstall |
| 06:45.42 | ethics | 1 midget per drive? |
| 06:45.51 | ethics | or clustered |
| 06:46.21 | directhex | ethics, midgets connected by myrinet |
| 06:46.24 | directhex | x^equa|s1, no |
| 06:47.03 | mdh | rebecka: you can even use the --admindir option to restore that /var/lib/dpkg elsewhere and still dump the package list from it so you can restore it live |
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| 06:47.29 | mdh | who has hard drives? Just hire a bunch of chinese people to remember numbers |
| 06:47.37 | bob2 | I have a midget that runs AIDE for me |
| 06:47.57 | directhex | i find chinese people to be noisier than seagate disks |
| 06:48.01 | directhex | *samsung disks |
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| 06:48.31 | elekis | is this here. stupid question, but I found that, is that work?? |
| 06:48.34 | elekis | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java15?highlight=%28java%29 |
| 06:48.41 | x^equa|s1 | bob2: would you recommend AIDE? |
| 06:48.48 | bob2 | I like it |
| 06:48.54 | mdh | directhex: sure, but your regular hard disk also isn't as adept at kungfu ;) |
| 06:49.00 | bob2 | I only used it because some hardcore sysadmins I knew did |
| 06:49.05 | x^equa|s1 | bob2: have you used Tripwire? |
| 06:49.32 | directhex | elekis, doesn't make-jpkg work for you? |
| 06:49.36 | bob2 | tripwire seemed to buzzword-compliant for me |
| 06:49.43 | bob2 | and it wasn't Free when I was choosing one |
| 06:50.04 | mdh | elekis: if you're running ubuntu, you're asking questions in the wrong channel |
| 06:50.14 | Thor- | anyone remeber the quote by the IBM head from the 60s about 2 computers is more than the world will ever need? maybe a link? |
| 06:50.22 | elekis | oh sorry |
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| 06:50.38 | cmihai | Thor-: it was more like about their anual production / sale |
| 06:50.44 | liable | is mozilla-mplayer configurable to any extent? |
| 06:51.13 | directhex | liable, not that i'm aware of, it just uses your mplayer configs for things like which outrput plugs to use |
| 06:52.28 | qwertz__ | Hi! I've got a dhcp client that's running sarge. Now I'd like to configure a static dns server for this client, different from the one provided by the dhcp server. Is it sufficent to write it in /etc/resolv.conf by hand or will it be overwritten when dhcp lease time is running out? |
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| 06:53.12 | bob2 | it will be nuked |
| 06:53.16 | liable | directhex: hmm, ok, thanks. |
| 06:53.27 | bob2 | if youre using dhcp3-client, editing /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf should be enough |
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| 06:54.17 | ethics | Thor...google famous computer quotes Gates IBM and work from there |
| 06:55.19 | ethics | thor- : www.ucsofa.com/famousquotes.htm |
| 06:57.52 | Thor- | ethics: thx |
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| 07:00.14 | exparrot | hey everyone... I accidentally put /home on the wrong disk while installing... can I move it somehow? there are no files in it yet |
| 07:00.36 | qwertz__ | bob2, thanks have found it |
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| 07:02.41 | exparrot | if I mount the disk, make a directory on that... then symlink /home to it, will that work? |
| 07:03.37 | mwilson | exparrot: You wouldn't just move the mountpoint of /home to the other disk because...? |
| 07:03.53 | ethics | exparrot make a new partition on the right drive update fstab unmount and remount |
| 07:04.24 | exparrot | can I do it without making a partition? the size of the data in /home could vary from several megabytes to a few gigs.... I don't want to tie up more of the disk than I need to |
| 07:04.40 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 07:04.58 | ethics | exparrot, make it a size you can resize late i beleive |
| 07:05.38 | exparrot | ... |
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| 07:06.08 | ethics | exparrot you have to make a partition but you can resize it later |
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| 07:06.23 | exparrot | can I make it so it just fits its contents though? |
| 07:06.32 | jm_ | no |
| 07:06.38 | exparrot | I don't want to be resizing partitions every time I need to chuck a DVD backup in my home folder |
| 07:06.51 | ethics | exparrot, give it a bit of leeway as your settings go there too... |
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| 07:07.07 | g-henna | hi! |
| 07:07.14 | ethics | exparrot, ok what would use use the unpartitioned space for? |
| 07:07.16 | mwilson | Or does the way a hard disk works on an IBM PC-compatible magically change because the OS is now Linux? |
| 07:07.31 | g-henna | how do i change the dns domain of a debian machine? is there another file other than /etc/hostname? |
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| 07:07.42 | exparrot | ethics: storing system tools for my windows machines, bittorrent downloads, etc |
| 07:07.45 | mwilson | g-henna: /etc/hosts |
| 07:08.04 | exparrot | seems awfully backwards to have to keep resizing partitions |
| 07:08.06 | ethics | exparrot so make it Vfat?? |
| 07:08.14 | exparrot | ugh ethics :P |
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| 07:08.28 | mwilson | exparrot: Then plan *intelligently* so that you don't have to do that. |
| 07:08.28 | ethics | exparrot: or make a set size smaller partition for that.. |
| 07:08.47 | ethics | exparrot you dualboot? |
| 07:08.54 | exparrot | this is for a fileserver, so no :P |
| 07:09.25 | jm_ | fileserver where you want to minimize free space? that's not a file server |
| 07:09.31 | ethics | ok well if its a server then make it ext3 and let others access it by samba.. |
| 07:09.40 | exparrot | yes ethics, as I am doing now.... |
| 07:09.42 | g-henna | mwilson: and should the hostname command usually list host AND domain? |
| 07:09.52 | exparrot | jm, it is if you've only got 50 gigs of storage in the thing :P |
| 07:10.16 | jm_ | exparrot: so why do you care about extra 4G then? |
| 07:10.32 | exparrot | dunno... I guess I'm obsessed with efficiency. |
| 07:10.34 | mwilson | g-henna: What does the man page say it should do? |
| 07:10.45 | ethics | sigh..........someone kill me |
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| 07:11.00 | JeffH | can someone recommend a good web based database browser? |
| 07:11.20 | g-henna | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.23 | exparrot | well, thanks for the suggestions guys, I'll go fiddle with it |
| 07:11.23 | g-henna | *lol* |
| 07:11.32 | g-henna | list the name of the current host |
| 07:12.31 | ethics | jeffh: can you clarify that? |
| 07:13.06 | JeffH | I want a way to browse a database from a web browser. |
| 07:13.08 | benjamindees | hypothetically speaking, should a i386 kernel have the same support for a fpu as an i586 kernel? |
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| 07:13.24 | bucky | JeffH, mysql / |
| 07:13.52 | raf256 | there is no 2.6.11 sources package for debian.... |
| 07:13.58 | JeffH | bucky: I want it to run through a web browser. |
| 07:14.02 | ethics | jeffh you min like say webmin for postgres or mysql? |
| 07:14.05 | raf256 | is it good idea to download manual kernel sources from kernel.org? |
| 07:14.08 | bucky | JeffH, which database? |
| 07:14.09 | g-henna | phpmysqladmin |
| 07:14.10 | bob2 | benjamindees: the kernel doesn't use the fpu at all |
| 07:14.11 | mwilson | raf256: Except that there is, of course. |
| 07:14.25 | JeffH | budky: mysql |
| 07:14.34 | raf256 | mwilson: where? my synaptics doesnt show kernel-source-2.6.11 package, only 2.6. |
| 07:14.35 | raf256 | .8 |
| 07:14.57 | mwilson | raf256: <shrug> Don't use stable, then. |
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| 07:15.18 | ethics | mwilson raf256 2.6.11 is only in unstable as source |
| 07:15.19 | mwilson | raf256: It's a little hard for stable to contain what didn't exist when stable was frozen. |
| 07:15.32 | mwilson | ethics: Gee... no kidding? |
| 07:15.40 | raf256 | mwilson: deb ftp://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 07:15.47 | bob2 | benjamindees: but for userspace,y es |
| 07:15.52 | solomonn | ot: can anyone tell me what i'm screwing up in this line? |
| 07:15.54 | solomonn | solomon@hurl:~/music/mp32$ if test `cat md5sums | grep foo/bar/baz.mp3 | grep -v .flac` == `md5sum foo/bar/baz.mp3`; then echo "match"; else echo "no match"; fi |
| 07:15.54 | solomonn | -bash: test: too many arguments |
| 07:16.11 | mwilson | raf256: And you think testing has significantly diverged from stable already? |
| 07:16.12 | _root_ | anybody know the scriplet to show the progress symbol shown during fsck runs ? |
| 07:16.15 | ethics | mwilson, its not in etch tho and the image is ... |
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| 07:16.38 | raf256 | mwilson: isnt it? I have now "testing" with is currently alias for this "enth...?" thingy? |
| 07:16.52 | raf256 | etch |
| 07:16.57 | bob2 | solomonn: are you sure the results of both those commands is alway one word? |
| 07:17.04 | ethics | raf256 use the one from sid |
| 07:17.06 | bob2 | solomonn: or should you be quoting it? |
| 07:17.15 | greyson | what's that 'Netsplit' stuff? |
| 07:17.25 | greyson | I've not seen it before. |
| 07:17.29 | solomonn | bob2: hm well it's definitely never one word :) |
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| 07:17.38 | thumPer1052 | shouldn't _root_know everything? |
| 07:17.44 | raf256 | ethics: but this is strange, image+headers are, source isnt in there... how can I download just this one package from sid while remaining in testing? there was some apt-get commend for that... |
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| 07:17.58 | solomonn | bob2: but where do i put the quotes? i can't remember where i tried to but it didn't work ;) |
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| 07:18.11 | empty | thumPer1052, not necessarily if theres been a fsck :P |
| 07:18.15 | ethics | raf use D.P.O |
| 07:18.21 | bob2 | solomonn: "`car ....`" == "`md5 ...`" |
| 07:18.23 | ethics | raf256, packages.debian.org |
| 07:18.26 | thumPer1052 | that explains it |
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| 07:18.53 | ethics | raf else you have to screw around with -t unstable etc for 1 package pdo is best |
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| 07:19.03 | oKtosiTe | My ext3 disk is marked as clean, but gets mounted read-only. What can I do? |
| 07:19.11 | solomonn | bob2: bingo. i must have had some other thing breaking it before. thank you |
| 07:19.15 | sep | raf256: ask dpkg about pinning |
| 07:19.22 | bob2 | solomonn: np |
| 07:19.26 | JeffH | wow.. t his is slick. |
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| 07:19.45 | ethics | raf256, i havent checked but i think the source will have the suspect nonfree drivers in it so it may not be in etch due to that...the kernel image is missing stuff |
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| 07:20.17 | raf256 | ethics: that sucks donkey balls |
| 07:20.22 | ethics | how to check a package's status regarding why it's not in etch? |
| 07:20.24 | sep | ethics: but you then woudnt get updates to the package when it was updated in sid, could be bad for security reasons. |
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| 07:20.38 | mwilson | ethics: But it'd be in unstable? Listen to yourself. |
| 07:20.38 | thumPer1052 | raf256: you're making me horny |
| 07:20.46 | ethics | raf256, well if your compiling you could just go to 2.6.1 pristines.....i am |
| 07:20.58 | raf256 | .1? |
| 07:20.58 | sep | !why is vim not in testing |
| 07:20.59 | dpkg | vim is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vim |
| 07:21.06 | bob2 | ethics: ^^ |
| 07:21.14 | raf256 | thumPer1052: \o/ |
| 07:21.17 | sep | ethics: but do it in /msg to the bot |
| 07:21.27 | ethics | bob2 thx thats what i wanted |
| 07:22.18 | benjamindees | thanks bob2 |
| 07:22.26 | ethics | mwilson, sorry what do you mean? |
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| 07:24.08 | raf256 | can we suspect Xorg to be in testing in about a month? |
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| 07:24.43 | nomad_cz | Hi. Could anyone tell me how to make poppassd (sarge) obey pam restriction ? I mean it seems to be running as root so users can setup any passwords - too short ie. |
| 07:24.45 | bob2 | I wouldn't expect it |
| 07:24.49 | bob2 | but that sounds reasonable |
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| 07:25.15 | ethics | raf256, not really its not even in unstable yet is it |
| 07:25.37 | mtnman | in bash, when testing [[ " ${arr[*]} " == *\ frog\ * ]], is there a way to reference frog's subscript of arr? |
| 07:25.42 | Zta | Anyone who can teach me how to write a bulletproof shell script? The script copies a file, but if something goes wrong, I want it to exit instead of continue. I have tried writing a traphandler(){echo "error!";exit1} and doing trap traphandler SIGABRT but nothing ever gets trapped when 'install file ..' fails. |
| 07:25.56 | Zta | Do I have to check returncodes? |
| 07:26.00 | empty | woohoo the temp here is finally below 100 degrees... now that its half past midnight |
| 07:26.19 | bob2 | Zta: set -e |
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| 07:26.34 | bob2 | Zta: then it will bail completely if any command returns a code other than 0 |
| 07:26.35 | mdh | empty: speaking of 100 degrees... |
| 07:26.35 | bob2 | iirc |
| 07:27.02 | bob2 | I don't get how it can be so fucking cold |
| 07:27.02 | empty | mdh, errr Fahrenheit here, unless you were being obtuse :P |
| 07:27.04 | loadd77 | is there a possibility to callback to a pc when connecting throught a ISDN modem to a ISDN router? Like ISDN remote Dial in with windoze? |
| 07:27.13 | Zta | bob2, excellent, thanks! |
| 07:27.34 | raf256 | strange, dpkg seems a bit borked |
| 07:27.48 | raf256 | strange, dpkg seems a bit borked |
| 07:27.51 | sep | zta or just cp from to || echo "didnt work" |
| 07:27.59 | raf256 | ^ sorry for reapeat. nm |
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| 07:28.18 | Zta | sep, right, but that would have to do that an awful lot of times which messes up the script. |
| 07:28.31 | benjamindees | should I be able to run multiple apt processes concurrently? |
| 07:28.41 | empty | benjamindees, no |
| 07:28.47 | raf256 | benjamindees: no, they lock |
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| 07:28.52 | Zta | I could also make a safety_wrapper() { $@ || ( echo "crap";exit1 ) } |
| 07:28.56 | sep | zta you only asked about 1 cp command, if your script is large it might be messy yes |
| 07:28.58 | empty | benjamindees, it has a lockfile to prevent such molestation |
| 07:29.11 | bob2 | it's more or less a bug that apt locks dpkg while downloading packages, imho |
| 07:29.14 | benjamindees | good, thanks empty, raf256 |
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| 07:29.42 | Zta | sep, I asked about the concept. |
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| 07:30.36 | solomonn | bob2: hmm, those quotes from before, what if they are around content that includes variable substitution |
| 07:30.50 | bob2 | solomonn: that's fine |
| 07:30.50 | nvidiator | Im running kernel 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 and I am trying to get nvidia module compiled but I get the error "failed to determine PATCHLEVEL!" I am going out of my mind!! Help! |
| 07:30.58 | bob2 | solomonn: variable substition happens in "", but not in '' |
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| 07:31.43 | AciD|Wrk | oi |
| 07:31.47 | solomonn | bob2: hm, i must have broken something else then since the condition isn't getting met properly :) |
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| 07:32.03 | thumPer1052 | nvidiator: do you have kernel sources installed |
| 07:32.07 | ethics | nvidiator: using Module-assistant? |
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| 07:32.30 | nvidiator | yes but not using module-assistant |
| 07:32.36 | mdh | empty: I kinda assumed that seeing as if it were 100C where you were you'd be long dead unless you're in some kind of environment suit |
| 07:32.45 | nvidiator | should I? |
| 07:32.59 | KeithWeisshar | how many cd images do i need to install debian |
| 07:33.01 | ethics | !tell nvidiator about nvidia howto |
| 07:33.19 | thumPer1052 | ethics: now now... |
| 07:33.22 | ethics | nvidiator read dpkg and use method 2 from the top link...see how you go |
| 07:33.38 | bob2 | solomonn: I could be wrong, I 'm not that hot a shell programmer; when I get stuck, I just move to perl or python |
| 07:33.40 | KeithWeisshar | which cd do i need to install at minimum |
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| 07:33.43 | nvidiator | I have read the nvidia howto and I have followed it to a T and it has not worked! |
| 07:33.47 | ethics | KeithWeisshar, none but the netinstaller is the easiest way 100 mb disk rest from the net |
| 07:34.10 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: the first one, or a net install cd (which is 100MB or 30MB) |
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| 07:34.14 | Coffee | can someone explain installing Soundcard drivers? |
| 07:34.16 | solomonn | bob2: yeah shell gets very annoying to me but i'm not at my computer often enough to retain any of the python i ever knew :) |
| 07:34.29 | bob2 | hah, right |
| 07:34.31 | thumPer1052 | nvidiator: It worked for me, but I started with a vanilla kernel. Source from kernel.org |
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| 07:34.36 | bob2 | Coffee: you probably don't need to |
| 07:34.40 | Coffee | ? |
| 07:34.42 | Coffee | why? |
| 07:34.48 | KeithWeisshar | is the current installer based in rc3 |
| 07:34.55 | ethics | nvidiator, method 2? |
| 07:34.56 | bob2 | Coffee: because it's almost certainly included |
| 07:35.02 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: rc3 is old, but similar, yes |
| 07:35.06 | KeithWeisshar | is the debian installer still rc3 |
| 07:35.09 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: no |
| 07:35.34 | Coffee | bob2: i just used to talk about drivers cause always worked at MSwin |
| 07:35.34 | nvidiator | build me own kernel you say? |
| 07:35.36 | ethics | nvidiator, im not saying it wont work but the M-A way is the way everyone seems to do it |
| 07:35.49 | bob2 | Coffee: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 07:35.59 | Coffee | bob2: anyway i have problems with Sondcard |
| 07:36.00 | bob2 | Coffee: but I'm telling you that you very rarely need to install drivers for things on Linux |
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| 07:36.02 | liable | hmm, i've tried increasing mplayers cache, but a streaming video (mozilla-mplayer plugin) only plays about half a second at a time (dial up connection) any other ideas? |
| 07:36.07 | KeithWeisshar | is debian only for servers or development |
| 07:36.12 | liable | no |
| 07:36.16 | Coffee | bob2: thanxz :/ |
| 07:36.17 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: of course not |
| 07:36.17 | nvidiator | I'll give it a try. Seems there are too many ways to do the same thing but none seem to work so well. Bummer. |
| 07:36.26 | bob2 | Coffee: why don't you just ask your question... |
| 07:37.01 | KeithWeisshar | can i resize the windows partition with the debian installer |
| 07:37.01 | Coffee | bob2: i have sources on opl3-sa2 and don't know what to do next |
| 07:37.04 | nvidiator | thanks! |
| 07:37.23 | KeithWeisshar | can i resize or do i need to use a third party resizer |
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| 07:37.24 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: yes |
| 07:37.25 | empty | KeithWeisshar, I am running it on my laptop, a desktop, and servers |
| 07:37.35 | cmihai | How's LVM2 on RAID-0 on Sarge? And what fs whould be appropriate? ext3 sounds ok ? |
| 07:37.38 | benjamindees | KeithWeisshar, no |
| 07:37.44 | cmihai | (software raid0) |
| 07:37.45 | thumPer1052 | since we're on the subject... How am I SUPPOSED to build a kernel in debian? |
| 07:37.51 | ethics | KeithWeisshar, well stable is probably the most stable of the distros around for servers....theres testing which is where most of the desktop user work from... |
| 07:37.58 | benjamindees | KeithWeisshar, you need a third party resizer |
| 07:38.03 | greyson | thumPer1052: kernel-package |
| 07:38.09 | bob2 | thumPer1052: build it however you like. make-kpkg from kernel-package is a nice tool, tho |
| 07:38.13 | Coffee | bob2: if i'll put that source in a right place will it work? |
| 07:38.14 | mdh | thumPer1052: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 07:38.19 | bob2 | Coffee: nope |
| 07:38.21 | greyson | thumPer1052: Uses make-dpkg to make a .deb for installation. |
| 07:38.30 | Coffee | bob2: so what should i do? |
| 07:38.40 | empty | thumPer1052, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 07:38.46 | bob2 | Coffee: you need to find the instructions for it |
| 07:38.46 | thumPer1052 | ok |
| 07:38.52 | greyson | thumPer1052: It's nice -- I use it for all my production machines... make once, install many, forget about it. |
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| 07:39.01 | cmihai | Does anyone actually use LVM2 on RAID-0 with ext3 fs on Sarge ?! |
| 07:39.04 | KeithWeisshar | should i still use testing for a desktop even after sarge is released |
| 07:39.21 | empty | thumPer1052, the other nice thing is make once install once fuckup once purge once |
| 07:39.23 | liable | sarge *is* released |
| 07:39.37 | bob2 | cmihai: irc is a bad place to ask questions like that |
| 07:39.49 | ethics | KeithWeisshar, up to you and your needs...stable isnt getting anything new but it m ay have all you need |
| 07:39.50 | thumPer1052 | I'll look into it |
| 07:39.50 | bob2 | cmihai: try the debian-user list, or maybe debian-isp |
| 07:39.59 | empty | damn you dpkg, where are you for your snide !anyone use |
| 07:40.28 | cmihai | bob2: I've uses something like that before, seemed ok. Just not sure if it's "stable" on Sarge. |
| 07:40.38 | ethics | KeithWeisshar, testing can break and have bugs etc but not normally...sid/unstable is the latest and greatest butas its unstable its more fix it yourself stuff |
| 07:40.44 | bob2 | cmihai: it doesn't sound very distribution-specific |
| 07:40.52 | cmihai | Besides, I'm installing it in 5 minutes anyway, guess I'll see for myself. |
| 07:41.04 | empty | cmihai, sarge is stable, and as stable releases go Debian sets the standard typically |
| 07:41.09 | cmihai | bob2: I know, it's not. |
| 07:41.15 | KeithWeisshar | does etch go into stable after a couple of years |
| 07:41.31 | bob2 | cmihai: hah |
| 07:41.40 | mdh | KeithWeisshar: maybe 3 or 4 like sarge ;) |
| 07:41.47 | ethics | KeithWeisshar, unstable was rather stable toward the release of sarge but atm its getting lots of changes now as sarge is out and new distro starting work |
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| 07:42.06 | empty | KeithWeisshar, stable unstable testing etc are all symbolic titles to a given release, the actual release is sarge woody et. so yes when it is ready |
| 07:42.06 | ethics | KeithWeisshar, yeah although the timeline is more about stable than date |
| 07:42.17 | Coffee | bob2: new sources opens in kompare program and there is old and new source... if i'll change old one will it work? |
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| 07:42.47 | ethics | KeithWeisshar, debian release slower but they are as afr as i know the most stable too |
| 07:43.03 | thumPer1052 | KeithWeisshar: We've already had a stable release 'this Pope'. One release per Pope. |
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| 07:43.42 | empty | thumPer1052, whats the 'date +' string for popes since the epoch? |
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| 07:44.02 | KeithWeisshar | is the debian installer still buggy |
| 07:44.11 | empty | KeithWeisshar, it's stable |
| 07:44.20 | empty | KeithWeisshar, stable = stable |
| 07:44.23 | thumPer1052 | empty:uh... might have to look that one up. Sure it's in the manpage somewhere... |
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| 07:44.45 | KeithWeisshar | there are a few things broken like jfs on ia64 |
| 07:44.49 | nomad_cz | Does anyone use squirrelmail ? |
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| 07:44.57 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: if you found a bug, you did report it, right? |
| 07:44.59 | empty | KeithWeisshar, exceptions, not the rule |
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| 07:45.23 | poncha|work|gone | guys, i have a question... i have a machine that i'msetting a firewall on; what i am doing there - opening only a few specific ports (web , dns, mail), then adding to it allowing: ! --syn, icmp echo-request , icmp echo-response and the rest i just drop. but i've run into at least one thing i need more :) i want traceroute work - both from this machine to the outside world and from outside through/to this box... is allowing icmp time-ex |
| 07:45.23 | poncha|work|gone | nual states it utilizes time-exceeded discovery on every hop) enough for that, or am i missing something? |
| 07:45.29 | KeithWeisshar | there are a couple of known issues on the website |
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| 07:45.53 | bob2 | poncha|work|gone: why are you dropping ICMP at all then? |
| 07:46.00 | greyson | poncha|work|gone: Not gonna happen without ICMP |
| 07:46.02 | empty | poncha|work|gone, many traceroute implementations use UDP |
| 07:46.13 | greyson | empty: But what port? |
| 07:46.17 | poncha|work|gone | bob2, i need *all* types of icmp enabled ? |
| 07:46.21 | empty | greyson, NFC |
| 07:46.28 | poncha|work|gone | i want to leave only ones i need.. |
| 07:46.39 | bob2 | poncha|work|gone: what is the point of disabling them? |
| 07:46.46 | empty | poncha|work|gone, you using iptables or a script? |
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| 07:47.01 | poncha|work|gone | bob2, the less stuff i leave open the less a chance for some attack no? :) |
| 07:47.14 | bob2 | poncha|work: yes, but blocking icmp is silly |
| 07:47.28 | poncha|work | i am not blocking just icmp... |
| 07:47.30 | bob2 | poncha|work: if there's a flaw in the kernels ICMP handling, the world is going to end anyway |
| 07:48.01 | poncha|work | i dropping all except what i've listed (including all the rest of tcp/udp etc) |
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| 07:48.12 | empty | bob2, not necessarily- it will make nmap ignore a box if the kiddie doesn't use -P0 |
| 07:48.13 | bob2 | yes, blocking icmp is silly, tho |
| 07:48.33 | poncha|work | ok, so i better off just allow any kind of icmp packets right ? |
| 07:48.45 | bob2 | yes |
| 07:48.49 | greyson | bob2: Ping of Death? Why take the chance if you don't have to? |
| 07:49.00 | bob2 | empty: sure, and if I drop a flaming vodka down my pants, it will hurt |
| 07:49.00 | poncha|work | empty, for that i only need to drop icmp echo-request which i am allowing already |
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| 07:49.10 | bob2 | greyson: ping of death hasn't affected anything since 1867 |
| 07:49.12 | empty | greyson, ping of death is a winbloze thang IIRC |
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| 07:49.29 | ircdevil | hi - eval `dircolors` returns a set of colors used for syntax-hilighting. is there default color sets for light/dark background? |
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| 07:49.50 | nvidiator | ran module-assistant: m-a update; m-a a-i nvidia and got "failed to determine PATCHLEVEL!" |
| 07:49.51 | empty | bob2, wasted alcohol always hurts, burning genitals or no |
| 07:50.13 | poncha|work | bob2, haha... i remember flood-pinging the campus network back in '97 :) all win9x computers booted till the point of bringing up network and crashed instantly... till i stopped pinging :) |
| 07:50.20 | empty | nvidiator, you ran m-a prepare? |
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| 07:50.49 | nvidiator | about 30 lines above in log file it says PATCHLEVEL=6 so why does it fail? |
| 07:50.54 | nvidiator | No |
| 07:51.03 | nvidiator | oh wait maybe from the menu option yes! |
| 07:51.05 | empty | nvidiator, try that, otherwise I have no clue |
| 07:51.15 | poncha|work | ok, thanks everyone for your help :) |
| 07:51.17 | nvidiator | I'll try..thanks! |
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| 07:52.12 | Zoltran | hi |
| 07:52.29 | empty | poncha|work, you could always open stuff up using the LOG target on iptables then run your traceroutes etc, then use the logs to figure out what you need open |
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| 07:52.46 | greyson | bob2, empty; regardless... there's the whole school of thought that there's no reason to open something unless you need it. (PoD just being an example, not a worry) -- that was more my point... although in this case, icmp may be needed. |
| 07:53.01 | Zoltran | i download a dvd image of the last version of debian with jigdo |
| 07:53.10 | bob2 | greyson: sure, I agree |
| 07:53.14 | bob2 | greyson: as a general rule |
| 07:53.27 | empty | greyson, that's a good school of thought but generally blocking ICMP causes more trouble than it is worth |
| 07:54.00 | nvz | Zoltran: good for you |
| 07:54.01 | greyson | empty: Howso? (being that I block icmp) |
| 07:54.11 | thumPer1052 | module_assistant? |
| 07:54.23 | thumPer1052 | I think I've missing out... |
| 07:54.24 | Zoltran | can anybody tell me how i can see the size i have download yet? |
| 07:54.45 | sep | poncha|work: some traceroute use icmp, some use udp with this portrange 33434:33600 |
| 07:54.50 | empty | thumPer1052, compiles mods from source for you, super handy tool if the mod source is in apt repos |
| 07:54.50 | quuxman | I'm trying to resolve a broken dependency catastrophe. I installed a package and one of the dependencies had a file that was already installed. So apt died in the middle, leaving me with a bunch of broken packages installed. apt-get -f install doesn't work |
| 07:54.54 | poncha|work | empty, good idea, too.. thanks. but for this matter i'm going for bob2 advise and allow all the icmp types |
| 07:55.05 | mdh | Zoltran: ls -l |
| 07:55.19 | poncha|work | sep, depends on implementation of traceroute ? |
| 07:55.24 | sep | poncha|work: yes |
| 07:55.32 | thumPer1052 | empty: cool. what do I have to install to get it? |
| 07:55.38 | bob2 | greyson: if you know which to block, it could be ok, but people seem to brak things like icmp-unreachable and the "please fragment" messages |
| 07:55.39 | Zoltran | yes but the size is always the same and jigdo is working |
| 07:55.41 | nvz | Zoltran: mdh: du -h, works better |
| 07:55.43 | empty | greyson, i just like to be able to ping stuff. makes it easier to troubleshoot from something with limited tools like a router |
| 07:55.48 | bob2 | greyson: which makes them disappear from some parts of the internet |
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| 07:56.10 | empty | Zoltran, do you have broadband? Why not just download the 100meg net-install |
| 07:56.32 | mdh | bob2: winxpsp2 does that by default |
| 07:56.35 | Zoltran | jigdo create an image with the full size first |
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| 07:56.42 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 07:56.46 | Zoltran | i know the speed |
| 07:56.50 | nvz | gypsymauro: hellow |
| 07:56.51 | quuxman | currently I'm attempting to `dpkg --force-depends -r foo` but there are a lot of packages |
| 07:57.01 | thumPer1052 | empty: sry, dumb question. It's module-assistant, not module_assistant. |
| 07:57.11 | Zoltran | but not the size downloaded |
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| 07:57.26 | gypsymauro | someone got the sl-modem working on debian sarge? My modem can't go more than 28.8 kbs:( |
| 07:57.30 | empty | thumPer1052, sorry should have caught that |
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| 07:57.43 | bob2 | mdh: haha |
| 07:57.51 | empty | gypsymauro, I do... i think. no landline though so I have not tested it yet ;) |
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| 07:58.17 | gypsymauro | empty: ;P |
| 07:58.30 | nvz | whats an sl-modem? |
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| 07:58.39 | gypsymauro | nvz: internal modem |
| 07:58.48 | gypsymauro | usually on notebooks |
| 07:58.50 | mdh | of course, if anything microsoft-related dropped off the internet I wouldn't be shedding tears (well.. tears of laughter maybe) |
| 07:58.52 | empty | nvz, winmodem support for conexant chipsets |
| 07:59.16 | Zoltran | empty: I need this image to use with a PC without network conection |
| 07:59.22 | nvz | I thought maybe it was a serial line or null modem *shrug* |
| 07:59.31 | empty | Zoltran, oh, well nevermind then :) |
| 07:59.36 | bob2 | mdh: hah, UC was blocking icmp-unreachable for months |
| 07:59.43 | Zoltran | ;-) |
| 07:59.46 | bob2 | er, pleaee-fragment |
| 08:00.01 | liable | gypsymauro: works nicely at 52kbs here |
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| 08:00.10 | mdh | bob2: they lost most of their clued staff, that doesn't surprise me |
| 08:00.23 | Zoltran | how can I know the time i need to finish the download process |
| 08:00.23 | empty | I am in a maintenance window right now. Sitting here catting. Not worried a bit. Why? Becasue EMC is worth what they charge, that's why :D |
| 08:00.24 | gypsymauro | liable: are u using alsa? |
| 08:00.35 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:00.39 | empty | chatting, NOT catting |
| 08:00.40 | Zoltran | or de size to finish it |
| 08:00.41 | liable | gypsymauro: yes the intel-8xom driver |
| 08:00.41 | Zoltran | ?? |
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| 08:00.54 | liable | *8x0m |
| 08:00.59 | gypsymauro | liable: which one kernel |
| 08:01.26 | liable | gypsymauro: at the moment 2.6.11, but on all since 2.6.7 |
| 08:01.40 | Coffee | Does anyone here have Yamaha YMF719E-S? |
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| 08:01.58 | empty | Coffee, IIRC my last laptop had one |
| 08:02.01 | mdh | bob2: the clued staff were the ones who, after Microsoft told the University it had to stop running (and especially teaching) non-Microsoft stuff, they said "fine, you dictated this" and promptly switched off all the nameservers, network switches, routers, etc :) |
| 08:02.05 | gypsymauro | liable: and again, do u use module-assistant to compile sl-modem? |
| 08:02.10 | empty | Coffee, worked fine with ALSA |
| 08:02.14 | liable | gypsymauro: no |
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| 08:02.21 | mdh | bob2: the unclued ones were promoting the M$ takeover |
| 08:02.26 | nvz | man, I've never sat an listened to ODB in my life, but somehow I got ODB stuck in my head |
| 08:02.29 | bob2 | mdh: haha |
| 08:02.30 | Coffee | empty: did alsa recognized it autonaticly? |
| 08:02.54 | mdh | bob2: apparently the vice-chancellor preferred internet access ;) |
| 08:02.57 | empty | Coffee, when I ran alsaconf it did IIRC |
| 08:03.00 | bob2 | mdh: it disturbed me the other day when I was talking to someone who's graduating with a "BSeng" in a month and he said "What's Linux?" |
| 08:03.10 | bob2 | mdh: hahaha |
| 08:03.21 | liable | gypsymauro: I have all headers and source from the kernel compile, so its an easy make make install, done. |
| 08:03.22 | mdh | bob2: exactly. that's why I quit doing a degree there |
| 08:03.23 | Coffee | empty: what is IIRC? |
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| 08:03.35 | empty | mdh, bob2 what a sleazy fucking underhanded tactic for MS to employ (not that I am shocked) |
| 08:03.36 | streuner | !iirc |
| 08:03.36 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 08:03.58 | bob2 | empty: well, the uni did roll over for them |
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| 08:04.02 | gypsymauro | liable: so u don't use the debian kernel's binary |
| 08:04.14 | empty | bob2, natch... rolled over and spread em it sounds like |
| 08:04.15 | Coffee | empty: was your card in a list ? |
| 08:04.17 | mdh | if I pay $$$$ for a tertiary education, I want a freaking tertiary education, not a vendor-supplied certificate |
| 08:04.19 | Gil_ | speaking of BSEng.. |
| 08:04.26 | bob2 | Gil_: aloha! |
| 08:04.34 | quuxman | `apt-get moo` isn't working either :-/ |
| 08:04.36 | empty | Coffee, I don't recall, I got that working a year ago and forgot it |
| 08:04.40 | bob2 | hm, is it clug tommorow? |
| 08:04.44 | liable | gypsymauro: what binary? kernel-image? I do have at least one on the box, yes. |
| 08:04.50 | Gil_ | bob2: should be, yea |
| 08:04.56 | Gil_ | bob2: I haven't been in months |
| 08:04.57 | mdh | I can go get a MSCE for less than a third the price of a so-called CS degree |
| 08:04.58 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 08:05.13 | Coffee | empty: :( maybe at least something... |
| 08:05.13 | bob2 | Gil_: yeah, me either |
| 08:05.25 | bob2 | mdh: hah, and you don't even get a MCSE when you graduate from uc |
| 08:05.25 | empty | mdh, with less than a tenth of the aptitude too |
| 08:05.35 | freewoody | Does anybody has some sample MRTG scipts for logging Squid Proxy server ? |
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| 08:05.50 | liable | gypsymauro: I compile my kernels for a couple of reasons, so dont generally use the kernel-images. |
| 08:05.52 | jm_ | freewoody: munin has a plugin for that |
| 08:06.08 | bob2 | freewoody: the very first hit for "squid mrtg" explains how |
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| 08:06.10 | jm_ | well plugins really |
| 08:06.23 | empty | !fgi |
| 08:06.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 08:06.24 | mdh | we had a UC graduate start here a few months ago. hasn't used Linux, doesn't want anything to do with it. And I mean *anything* |
| 08:06.52 | mdh | will not even make any effort to read any documentation of anything related to linux or open source. has been taught its all evil |
| 08:06.57 | empty | mdh, bet he has a linuxbased wifi router at home or something |
| 08:07.01 | Gil_ | bob2: are you going to head to CLUG tomorrow? |
| 08:07.05 | raf256 | why the fucking linux have to hug freaking resources, so that entire system almos thangs while apt-get'ing? |
| 08:07.21 | bob2 | Gil_: hmm, I might come along, if only because I haven't eaten pizza in a while ;p |
| 08:07.21 | nvz | I seen my old friend and mentor from when I was a young wannabe IT-Pro, he was telling me about getting MSCE certified and stuff, I just laughed at him |
| 08:07.54 | Gil_ | bob2: well, I'll probably come along as well to see if anything cool's happening |
| 08:07.54 | mdh | bob2: I won't be there, I have to fix a friend's computer. then go visit my gf |
| 08:07.58 | empty | raf256, you are running something as root and root has a default priority of -10... try "nice apt-get" if you want it to go slower but leave the system more useable |
| 08:08.07 | bob2 | mdh: hah, that sounds like more fun |
| 08:08.19 | Zoltran | can anybody tell me if jigdo resume the download after hang or restart it? |
| 08:08.19 | mdh | of course I won't be fixing it properly, it'll still be running Windows after I'm done :( |
| 08:08.43 | mdh | but at least it'll be running something, and not just sitting there beeping ;) |
| 08:08.48 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 08:08.52 | bob2 | Zoltran: it should do |
| 08:09.04 | gypsymauro | liable: ok I'll try to compile it too |
| 08:09.09 | Zoltran | resume it? |
| 08:09.20 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:09.20 | empty | geez dude call me back, how long can a half-terabyte fsck take anyway? O-o |
| 08:09.27 | Zoltran | thanks |
| 08:09.37 | liable | gypsymauro: no, you dont need to, just get the kernel source/headers. |
| 08:09.52 | liable | gypsymauro: you mean kernel or modem? |
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| 08:10.37 | Zoltran | bob2: but it not have any way to know the time or size rest |
| 08:10.38 | quuxman | Is there a way to forcefully remove a tree of dependent packages rather than wiping them out one at a time with `dpkg --force-depends -r`? |
| 08:10.38 | Zoltran | ? |
| 08:10.45 | squidink | what does /boot/map do? |
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| 08:10.51 | nvz | I should start a LUG around here, I don't think we have one around these parts |
| 08:10.52 | bob2 | Zoltran: I dunno, I haven't used it in ages |
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| 08:11.22 | bob2 | lugs in different towns seem quite different |
| 08:11.25 | empty | nvz, the lug here in Phoenix is PLUG: Penguins In The Desert |
| 08:11.48 | empty | I just like that name |
| 08:11.53 | thumPer1052 | empty: that a bit gay, don't you think? :) |
| 08:12.01 | nvz | empty: ours would be the LLUG I guess |
| 08:12.13 | mdh | quuxman: "wajig remove-depend <root node of tree>" |
| 08:12.26 | empty | thumPer1052, you are right, definitely. Please ungay your computer now kthxbye |
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| 08:12.37 | gypsymauro | liable: kernel...I still have "NO CARRIER" |
| 08:12.42 | bob2 | quuxman: sudo apt-get remove somethingtheyalldependon |
| 08:12.50 | gypsymauro | liable: using debian kernel and sl-modem-source |
| 08:12.52 | Zoltran | which linux kernel use the last version of debian |
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| 08:12.55 | Zoltran | ? |
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| 08:13.02 | quuxman | bob2: well I have broken dependencies, so apt refuses to run normally |
| 08:13.04 | liable | gypsymauro: you have added Carrier Check = no? |
| 08:13.07 | nvz | if I made it here in Leetsdale, I've already got at least 3 people in the area running Debian |
| 08:13.13 | Gil_ | I work at Initech :( |
| 08:13.15 | quuxman | bob2: I want to force it somehow |
| 08:13.15 | bob2 | Zoltran: 2.6.8 |
| 08:13.15 | empty | Zoltran, say what? |
| 08:13.30 | liable | gypsymauro: which dialer program? |
| 08:13.39 | gypsymauro | liable: yes but it seems that isn't working |
| 08:13.42 | bob2 | nvz: it's really called leetsdale? |
| 08:13.44 | squidink | I've rebuilt a kernel using make-kpkg, tried to install it, but it breaks trying to run lilo. the problem is in /boot/map. What does that file do? |
| 08:13.44 | gypsymauro | liable: gnome-ppp or kppp |
| 08:13.46 | empty | nvz, Leetsdale? OMFG that's begging for a funny rip on the 1337 crowd |
| 08:13.52 | Gil_ | nvz: haha |
| 08:13.58 | nvz | bob2: yeah you think I am kidding? I am from Leetsdale, ffs |
| 08:14.07 | bob2 | nvz: that's so awesome |
| 08:14.10 | nvz | heh |
| 08:14.11 | liable | gypsymauro: you connecting through a pabx, by any chance? |
| 08:14.14 | Gil_ | nvz: you are now morally obliged to make a LUG |
| 08:14.16 | defkewl | is etch worth a try? |
| 08:14.19 | nvz | haha |
| 08:14.20 | poncha|work | hm.. interesting.. wtf is SAVVIS corporation ? (nasdaq:SVVS) looks like some kinda web/server hosting company... but it raised 85mil lately.. |
| 08:14.24 | thumPer1052 | empty: yeah, but that'd be so gay. |
| 08:14.28 | bob2 | nvz: you need to find some drunk buddies to repaint your town signs to say "1337sdale" |
| 08:14.41 | gypsymauro | liable: what's a pabx? |
| 08:14.50 | mdh | bob2: drunk? I'd do that sober ;) |
| 08:14.50 | empty | thumPer1052, ...and getting turned on by the sucking of donkey balls is what? |
| 08:14.53 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 08:14.58 | quuxman | mdh: thanks. I can't install that now, but I will later |
| 08:15.23 | liable | gypsymauro: do you have to dial 0 to get an outside line? |
| 08:15.27 | thumPer1052 | empty:perfectly natural hetero behaviour |
| 08:15.41 | empty | savvis bought C&W |
| 08:15.50 | empty | savvis is a large backbone provider |
| 08:15.58 | gypsymauro | liable: yes |
| 08:16.10 | gypsymauro | liable: but if I try from windows it works |
| 08:16.14 | empty | with their heads firmly lodged somewhere in the neighborhood of their coloons |
| 08:16.18 | nvz | we need new town signs anyhow. my father and I had the idea to put "Final resting place of Three Rivers Stadium" on them. as our friend Steve Thomas that owns the Leetsdale Industrial Park had bought the stadium, and had all the remains trucked in from Pittsburgh after they blew it up |
| 08:16.20 | poncha|work | empty, try dig +trace www.microsoft.com and whois on domain name you get :) |
| 08:16.39 | mdh | quuxman: if you can't run apt, you've royally screwed your system over, probably by using --force to dpkg |
| 08:16.53 | liable | gypsymauro: ok, then you are dialing through a pabx. See if you can find a direct line and try that and see if it dials. |
| 08:17.03 | quuxman | mdh: no I was installing a package that had a dependency which collided with a file already installed and it died |
| 08:17.04 | poncha|work | www.microsoft.com. 3600 IN CNAME www.microsoft.com.nsatc.net. 8-() |
| 08:17.12 | quuxman | mdh: and left a mess |
| 08:17.20 | poncha|work | and nsatc is owned by savvis :) |
| 08:17.28 | nvz | He crushed it and sorted out the materials, and used them to build new buildings. the industrial park and other properties he had not even built on, are now booming with businesses |
| 08:17.31 | squidink | no one can tell me what /boot/map does? |
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| 08:18.02 | liable | gypsymauro: its about the only thing that stops me from deleting windows on my laptop, because my modem never works in motels that have pabx's. |
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| 08:18.34 | nvz | I am involved in local politics and know most of the business owners, so I could definatly work out interesting things for a LUG.. like getting free old hardware, and possibly arranging funding and events easily |
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| 08:18.53 | liable | gypsymauro: well, mostly never, it occasionaly works, but I generally have to run windows. |
| 08:18.59 | mdh | nvz: and holding a DefCon |
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| 08:19.03 | HllywdW | I did an apt-get install mysql-server on my machine |
| 08:19.12 | nvz | I just would need to get people interested in the area to help with the work |
| 08:19.13 | empty | !fgi squidink /boot/map |
| 08:19.13 | HllywdW | but when I do apt-get remove mysql-server |
| 08:19.14 | dpkg | squidink: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=/boot/map |
| 08:19.16 | Tuttle | I have the first octet of IP addresses cut in auth.log (pam_unix messages from vsftpd daemon), did anyone encounter such thing? |
| 08:19.37 | HllywdW | and then type mysql it still tries to connect to mysql |
| 08:19.40 | nvz | mdh: DefCon? |
| 08:19.44 | mdh | nvz: you have the most awesomenest town name in the history of computing |
| 08:19.48 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:19.52 | HllywdW | how do I clean out mysql from my system? |
| 08:19.56 | empty | mysql is the client HllywdW |
| 08:20.02 | mdh | nvz: the hacker conference |
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| 08:20.10 | empty | HllywdW, purge msql-common I think |
| 08:20.14 | nvz | you can thank Daniel Leet for that name I guess |
| 08:20.34 | mdh | /whois Daniel1337 |
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| 08:21.00 | doojin | hello |
| 08:21.06 | thumPer1052 | hi |
| 08:21.06 | empty | mdh, defcon is vegas and always will be. |
| 08:21.11 | HllywdW | HllywdW:/usr/share# apt-get purge mysql-common |
| 08:21.11 | HllywdW | E: Invalid operation purge |
| 08:21.26 | liable | HllywdW: man apt-get |
| 08:21.28 | defkewl | can install the i386 version on Intel Xeon? |
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| 08:21.31 | nvz | I havent read that thing since I was a kid, but down there on the borough building is a big thing about him, and I guess how he founded the town back before the day |
| 08:21.33 | quuxman | mdh: if you really think wajig would solve this, I can install it manually with dpkg |
| 08:21.37 | empty | HllywdW, apt-get --purge remove mysql-common |
| 08:21.43 | quuxman | mdh: but I'd have to grab a few dependencies |
| 08:21.53 | doojin | how can I set shell's language to english? |
| 08:22.14 | empty | doojin export LANG=en |
| 08:22.23 | doojin | uuu... thanks |
| 08:22.29 | mdh | quuxman: it simply makes a nice easy command-line to type to do what you want. I think you're going to have to manually resolve dependencies now anyway since you force-removed some obviously important stuff |
| 08:22.40 | nvz | yeah I could be president of Leet LUG if'n I wanted |
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| 08:23.12 | mdh | quuxman: manually reinstall everything from base |
| 08:23.14 | empty | LeetLUG would be a stellar name for it |
| 08:23.18 | squidink | Something seems to be wrong with my /boot/map - lilo gives and I/O error any ideas? |
| 08:23.23 | nvz | what is expected to be recognised afar as a real LUG? heh |
| 08:23.35 | empty | please tell me there some sad little suburb called noobville |
| 08:23.53 | quuxman | mdh: lol. I haven't removed anything important. Just some gnome crap. What _should_ I have done when apt died and left me with broken dependencies? |
| 08:23.55 | liable | so, surly someone uses mozilla-mplayer and can tell me how to get it to play more than half a second at a time, before downloading more. |
| 08:23.58 | mdh | empty: it's more commonly referred to as Redmond, Washington |
| 08:23.58 | empty | nvz, OR you could start your local chapter of 2600 meetings |
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| 08:24.27 | empty | mdh, I just moved from Seattle you'd be frightened by those folk |
| 08:24.43 | mdh | empty: I met my gf after she moved away from Seattle ;) |
| 08:24.44 | quuxman | empty: naaah Seattle is great |
| 08:24.50 | nvz | I dont know much about this stuff.. comming to freenode and talking to lug members and stuff is as active as I've been in the FOSS, Linux, or Debian communities so far |
| 08:24.51 | empty | mdh, when the meet they don't ask what department they are in they ask which building |
| 08:25.02 | empty | Yeah I miss it like hell |
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| 08:25.17 | nvz | I want to start being more informed.. starting this LUG may be the best idea I ever had |
| 08:25.24 | empty | worked in quite possibly the highest geek concentration building in the PNW |
| 08:25.26 | quuxman | empty: oh, I thought you were saying all Seattelites were scary. I wasn't really following your thread of conversation |
| 08:25.57 | empty | quuxman, nope I loved seattle, people there tended to be pretty nice |
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| 08:26.17 | quuxman | empty: yeah I've lived here for a couple years |
| 08:26.32 | sobersabre | does bash read /etc/profile in debian ? [seems not ] |
| 08:26.36 | empty | quuxman, familiar with oz.net? |
| 08:26.44 | quuxman | empty: nope |
| 08:27.07 | quuxman | empty: it appears to be forbidden :P |
| 08:27.08 | mdh | empty, quuxman: my gf reckoen that when she lived there, they didn't even see their neighbours let alone know them. that was >6 years ago |
| 08:27.15 | empty | quuxman, oh, ok :( well that's the WA branch of the ISP I work for |
| 08:27.41 | thumPer1052 | there was a prog language called Oz |
| 08:27.54 | squidink | where does /boot/map come from? is it generated by the system or does it come from a package? google ain't helping |
| 08:27.57 | empty | quuxman, yep not surprised, I have bunch of nfs mounts down ATM pending a vendor fsck |
| 08:28.00 | quuxman | mdh: Yeah, when I saw my neighbor a month after she moved in I didn't recognize her |
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| 08:28.09 | nvz | I guess I should make a website and wiki, arrange a meeting place, get a small debian network setup and start holding meetings (: then I can make the coolest channel on freenode.. heh |
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| 08:28.22 | empty | nvz, ...punch and pie |
| 08:28.46 | nvz | hell I might as well register a channel now, we can start meeting there until we have a better place |
| 08:28.51 | lexa_ | squidink: it appears after kernel compilation as System.map file in main kernel tree directory |
| 08:29.20 | squidink | lexa_: AFAIK system.map is totally different to /boot/map |
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| 08:29.50 | HllywdW | ok now that I have purged mysql, can someone please walk me through on how to install it properly on debian? |
| 08:30.03 | HllywdW | I am having the hardest time with this |
| 08:30.06 | lexa_ | squidink: oh, /boot/map is different, really |
| 08:30.11 | nvz | I still cant stop singing 'Hey Dirty, baby I got your money' |
| 08:30.12 | greyson | HllywdW: apt-get install mysql? |
| 08:30.30 | HllywdW | greyson, that is not good enough |
| 08:30.36 | nvz | I've never listened to that shit, I don't know how it got stuck in my head, but I've been singing it for hours |
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| 08:30.47 | HllywdW | believe me I'ved tried that already |
| 08:30.58 | lexa_ | squidink: i don't know if there is any package, which creates it, i always made it manually |
| 08:31.08 | HllywdW | and I can find a good google resource for installing it properly |
| 08:31.16 | HllywdW | for debian |
| 08:31.24 | HllywdW | canot |
| 08:31.46 | greyson | HllywdW: Why is that not good enough? |
| 08:32.05 | squidink | lexa_: how do you make it? |
| 08:32.15 | raf256 | how can I have 2.6.11.12 ? |
| 08:32.26 | HllywdW | because I still cannot connect to the socket |
| 08:32.27 | nvz | I should also look to see where the nearest existing lugs are and what they are up to. I am fairly certain there isnt a LUG at least within 15Mi of here, there just may be one downtown, but it would never be as cool |
| 08:32.37 | raf256 | should I just donwload from kernel.org or should I apply some debian specyfic patches as well? to 2.6.11.12 |
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| 08:32.44 | HllywdW | why don't you try it yourself and see what happens |
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| 08:33.15 | streuner | raf256: just use etch |
| 08:33.31 | raf256 | streuner: isnt "unstable" == "etch"? |
| 08:33.38 | streuner | !etch |
| 08:33.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 08:33.45 | streuner | testing |
| 08:33.57 | PeTeRB | squidink: /boot/map is a file LILO makes |
| 08:34.39 | drac | raf256: 2.6.12 is out.. |
| 08:34.53 | streuner | !kernel |
| 08:34.55 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.12, snapshot: 2.6.12-git3, 2.4: 2.4.31, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-mm1 |
| 08:35.09 | quuxman | HllywdW: is it running? like did you do /etc/init.d/mysql start? |
| 08:35.25 | raf256 | so... is it good idea to get kernel.org's 2.6.12 yet? |
| 08:35.30 | squidink | PeTeRB: got any idea what this would mean when I run lilo: fdatasync map file: Input/output error |
| 08:35.30 | squidink | (temp) /boot/map~: No such file or directory |
| 08:35.34 | raf256 | whould I appy some additional patches? |
| 08:35.45 | drac | raf256: works for me, without any patches. but do what you want. |
| 08:35.49 | PeTeRB | squidink: No |
| 08:35.55 | squidink | d'oh |
| 08:36.05 | raf256 | neat.. thnx |
| 08:36.06 | quuxman | yay I fix0red it. I just ran `apt-get install -s` and `dpkg --force-depends -r` whatever the apt-get install -s returned until everything worked. There should be a program that does that |
| 08:36.12 | nvz | raf256: read the changelogs, linux security advisories, and even the source if you want. can't have someone holding your hand all the time especially if you are going to be paranoid |
| 08:36.36 | raf256 | nvz: yeah |
| 08:36.42 | greyson | HllywdW: That's due to settings in mysql -- you have to configure it to allow the socket connection. |
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| 08:37.03 | nvz | I am already brainstorming ways to get the yuppie fucks that live in the neighboring towns interested in LeetLUG |
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| 08:37.29 | doojin | hello guys |
| 08:37.43 | liable | and gals :) |
| 08:37.50 | doojin | when I type "startx" some errors appear on screen |
| 08:37.58 | raf256 | !errors |
| 08:37.58 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 08:37.58 | gba | Hi, I get following errors (http://paste.debian.net/850) if I make a 'debootstrap sid sid-chroot ftp://...' . Why? |
| 08:38.05 | HllywdW | greyson: that is in my.cnf? |
| 08:38.07 | HllywdW | right? |
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| 08:38.24 | HllywdW | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.24 | HllywdW | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.24 | greyson | HllywdW: I think so... i do know that the order of the allowances is very important. |
| 08:38.31 | HllywdW | I have no idea what this means |
| 08:38.41 | doojin | (EE) Unable to find a valid frambuffer device |
| 08:38.44 | doojin | huh |
| 08:38.44 | HllywdW | hostname yields HllywdW |
| 08:38.55 | doojin | do I need to disable framebuffer? |
| 08:39.18 | HllywdW | I am working on mysql-server first |
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| 08:39.27 | sep | HllywdW: read the documentation it is allways in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
| 08:39.30 | greyson | HllywdW: What do you get for hostname -f |
| 08:39.35 | doojin | how can I restore the default xfree86 settings? |
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| 08:39.58 | TCW_ | ahhh .. :) |
| 08:40.00 | quuxman | liable: ha, are you just being PC or were you honestly correcting doojin? |
| 08:40.03 | HllywdW | wallace@HllywdW:~$ hostname -f |
| 08:40.03 | HllywdW | localhost.localdomain |
| 08:40.14 | doojin | huh? |
| 08:40.22 | doojin | correct what? |
| 08:41.03 | sep | !tell doojin about drxx |
| 08:41.07 | nvz | ahh! ffs! I need to put on some music or I am going to keep singing the one and only ODB line I know over and over, its been nearly 5 hours I have been singing one line of a song, I didnt even know I've heard before |
| 08:41.28 | doojin | sep : I want to restore the default settings |
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| 08:41.38 | gba | does someone now about these errors debootstrap gives out? http://paste.debian.net/850 |
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| 08:42.08 | doojin | chi |
| 08:42.19 | A|pha | hi all |
| 08:42.40 | doojin | hello? anybody here? |
| 08:42.44 | A|pha | yes |
| 08:42.51 | quuxman | doojin: correcting your political incorrectness. Nevermind |
| 08:43.00 | Jhair | doojin: nobody |
| 08:44.14 | A|pha | I used to use Red Hat, but people from the security group newOrder (neworder.box.sk) have recommended that I use Debian over slackware or freebsd...why debian? |
| 08:44.22 | nvz | my xbox power wire seems to be aweful loose anymore.. seems like it could just fall right out |
| 08:44.49 | greyson | HllywdW: Check the mysql documentation -- debian will install the package correctly with 'apt-get install mysql' -- you just have to figure out how you want it configured. |
| 08:44.51 | dondelelcaro | A|pha: because Debian is pretty much one of the only distributions that provides security updates for everything in its stable distribution for the life of the stable distribution. |
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| 08:45.37 | A|pha | hmm interesting |
| 08:45.39 | dondelelcaro | A|pha: not to mention the other advantages of using Debian besides mere security (the packaging system, policy, seamless upgrades, packages integrated properly, etc.) |
| 08:46.14 | nvz | that little ... |
| 08:46.24 | quuxman | ok, so to solve the original problem that brought about my dependency catastrophe, I want to install libxv1 which wants to install a file that xlibs already has. What should I do? |
| 08:46.28 | nvz | my little brother is gonna get his ass kicked :P |
| 08:46.42 | A|pha | There are quite a few distros out there, and this is the one that has been highly recommended to me. |
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| 08:47.15 | dondelelcaro | A|pha: try it out, and see what you think. Obviously, we're heavily biased, but then again, some of us have been using Debian for quite some time. |
| 08:47.21 | A|pha | I'll take a look into it... |
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| 08:47.38 | nvidiator | bye |
| 08:47.47 | A|pha | :) |
| 08:47.49 | doojin | I'll see guys later |
| 08:47.51 | empty | bing, fscked clean 24 servers rebooted empty seems happy |
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| 08:48.38 | directhex|work | dondelelcaro, biased? us? |
| 08:49.16 | A|pha | I like to keep an open mind |
| 08:49.27 | HllywdW | ok thanks guys, I'm just reading it now |
| 08:49.31 | sh4dowcat | directhex|work: no we're as impartial as ever |
| 08:49.32 | cmihai | debian installer seems to be asking me 4 times if I have a PCMIA card..... on a desktop.... hmf. |
| 08:49.35 | sh4dowcat | </sarcasm> |
| 08:50.07 | A|pha | Does it support cable modems? |
| 08:50.14 | mdh | A|pha: I've been running linux for over 10 years now. The last 6 have been with Debian primarily, I haven't had the need to switch. and I *love* playing with new toys =) |
| 08:50.15 | cmihai | Short term memory loss I guess... |
| 08:50.17 | A|pha | and internal wifi? |
| 08:50.39 | A|pha | hmmm :) |
| 08:50.50 | dondelelcaro | A|pha: if the kernel supports it, Debian does. |
| 08:50.55 | A|pha | ok |
| 08:50.59 | A|pha | 2.6? |
| 08:51.01 | mdh | A|pha: that's a kernel issue, has little to do with which linux distribution you run |
| 08:51.18 | A|pha | yeah |
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| 08:51.31 | bdoojin | hi guys |
| 08:51.38 | A|pha | helo |
| 08:51.41 | bdoojin | I don't know how to disable framebuffer device someone let me know |
| 08:51.59 | empty | bdoojin, pass the kernel a "nofb" argument at boot |
| 08:52.04 | bdoojin | huh? |
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| 08:52.06 | bdoojin | how to do it? |
| 08:52.19 | jm_ | install windows |
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| 08:52.28 | bdoojin | since I'm not good at linux,.... you need to tell me in detail |
| 08:52.56 | bdoojin | empty : come on |
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| 08:53.10 | bdoojin | jetx : I need your help |
| 08:53.19 | A|pha | jm_ is right |
| 08:53.19 | drac | What a hell.. |
| 08:53.20 | HllywdW | what is "flush privileges"? |
| 08:53.28 | bdoojin | jetx : help me |
| 08:53.31 | dondelelcaro | HllywdW: a glorious command you get to run on mysqld. |
| 08:53.43 | jetx | i give up, why won't anybody else help you.. and what's up |
| 08:53.55 | directhex|work | bdoojin, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 08:54.00 | mdh | A|pha: all the cool stuff is, or is based on, Debian. Debian, Ubuntu, grml, Knoppix, ... :) |
| 08:54.12 | bdoojin | how can I disable frambuffer device before typing startx? |
| 08:54.13 | A|pha | yup :) |
| 08:54.20 | bdoojin | *framebuffer device |
| 08:54.25 | directhex|work | bdoojin, why? |
| 08:54.27 | jetx | bdoojin: you want help? listen to whatever directhex|work tells you very carefully |
| 08:54.35 | jetx | very good help |
| 08:54.38 | bdoojin | (EE) Unable to find a vaild frambuffer device |
| 08:54.53 | drac | That's hardly an Kernel framebuffer issue.. |
| 08:54.56 | jetx | fbdev=false in xf86config, drxx |
| 08:54.58 | jm_ | heh |
| 08:55.01 | jetx | !drxx |
| 08:55.01 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 08:55.10 | directhex|work | !drxx bdoojin |
| 08:55.12 | dpkg | bdoojin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 08:55.13 | bdoojin | jetx : I already know that |
| 08:55.19 | jetx | nvidia? make sure glcore and dri are disabled, and enable glx |
| 08:55.24 | bdoojin | I did that |
| 08:55.32 | jetx | say no to framebuffer |
| 08:55.35 | mdh | that message is not referring to the linux fbdev |
| 08:55.37 | jm_ | it's not about doing it, it's about doing it properly |
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| 08:55.38 | directhex|work | and did you say yes or no to the framebuffer question? |
| 08:55.40 | mdh | its talking about the video card |
| 08:55.46 | A|pha | mdh: I used to use Knoppix when it first came out...i might dl it again and dl the Debian ISO. |
| 08:56.01 | bdoojin | there's no such question |
| 08:56.10 | bdoojin | like say yes or no to framebuffer |
| 08:56.17 | jetx | mine disappears, i only see that question on first install |
| 08:56.18 | mdh | "framebuffer" in this context is talking about the video memory that's used to create the display |
| 08:56.32 | jetx | after i say no it never comes back |
| 08:56.37 | jm_ | you can tell debconf to asks you old questions |
| 08:56.38 | bdoojin | mdh : jesus |
| 08:56.40 | quuxman | A|pha: it depends on what you like, but last time I installed Knoppix I ended up tweaking with it until it was basically plain old Debian again. I gave up on Knoppix after that |
| 08:56.44 | jetx | ah |
| 08:56.47 | cmihai | On a /boot partition on a md device (raid 1, 128MB), ext2 would be appropriate (instead of ext3 for example) ?! |
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| 08:56.53 | bdoojin | mdh : how can I fix the problem? |
| 08:57.13 | jetx | bdoojin: less /etc/XF86Config-4 |grep -i fbdev |
| 08:57.24 | bdoojin | uuu |
| 08:57.34 | bdoojin | what is that? |
| 08:57.45 | empty | cmihai, ext2 would be fine, the main reason you nwould do that is so you don't have to do initrd (because ext3 is a mdule and ext2 is built in) |
| 08:57.47 | A|pha | quuxman: heh...its good for diagnosing problems and recovering xp admin password :) |
| 08:57.49 | mdh | bdoojin: you need to configure XFree86 properly for your video card. use the right driver. if its AGP or PCI, specify exactly which device it is (you can find out using 'lspci') |
| 08:57.57 | jetx | lists that line in the file, if it's there |
| 08:58.01 | directhex|work | A|pha, there is nothing to miss from solaris |
| 08:58.06 | directhex|work | mdh, lspci -X |
| 08:58.16 | mdh | bdoojin: its the BusID in the Device section of the XF86Config |
| 08:58.18 | cmihai | empty: that's what I thought. ext3 would be no real advantage, would it ? |
| 08:58.25 | bdoojin | I didn't type busid |
| 08:58.32 | empty | cmihai, not really no |
| 08:58.36 | PeTeRB | jetx: man grep please :) |
| 08:58.37 | cmihai | ok, thanks. |
| 08:58.39 | bdoojin | because I didn't nkow the id |
| 08:58.47 | jetx | good leave that empty |
| 08:58.49 | directhex|work | lspci -X |
| 08:58.49 | A|pha | I like original unix :) |
| 08:58.59 | bdoojin | directhex : what? |
| 08:59.01 | directhex|work | A|pha, you're into massochism then? |
| 08:59.05 | directhex|work | lspci -X |
| 08:59.07 | quuxman | A|pha: yeah, Knoppix certainly has its uses |
| 08:59.11 | directhex|work | how hard is itr to type one command? |
| 08:59.15 | A|pha | oh yes! :P j/k |
| 08:59.18 | empty | A|pha, heh, would that be sysV or bsd then? |
| 08:59.28 | A|pha | bsd |
| 08:59.39 | drac | berkeley lover.. |
| 08:59.43 | A|pha | :P |
| 08:59.47 | empty | hippy |
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| 08:59.51 | A|pha | :) |
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| 08:59.55 | quuxman | lol |
| 09:00.06 | bdoojin | huh |
| 09:00.17 | A|pha | Linux seems like molestd unix now :P |
| 09:00.17 | nvz | yeah that little bastard hid his GTA-SA for xbox... I got the one for PS2 but I am tired of switching back and forth.. I want to just play one or the other |
| 09:00.18 | empty | The unix I cut my teeth on was the worst of both worlds |
| 09:00.19 | mdh | A|pha: I'm preferring the ubuntu livecd over knoppix these days, though I haven't tried knoppix 4. I reallly only used it as a desktop |
| 09:00.20 | bdoojin | jetx : fbdev is set to be true |
| 09:00.30 | jetx | bdoojin: make it false |
| 09:00.32 | directhex|work | bdoojin, we know. we told you it shouldn't be. |
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| 09:00.40 | empty | yes ladies and gentlemen, that can only mean IRIX! |
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| 09:00.46 | bdoojin | directhex : you mean I need to turn fbdev off? |
| 09:00.55 | A|pha | I hear good things about IRIX |
| 09:00.58 | directhex|work | gah. i give up |
| 09:01.03 | empty | bdoojin, you JUST ASKED how to turn it off |
| 09:01.06 | stealth | knoppix 4? argh |
| 09:01.09 | stealth | i just burned 3.9 |
| 09:01.11 | jetx | bdoojin: yes |
| 09:01.19 | jetx | drxx |
| 09:01.23 | jetx | and turn it off |
| 09:01.27 | quuxman | A|pha: hmm I guess I'm still running that same bastardized Knoppix installation I installed 2 years ago on my desktop |
| 09:01.39 | jetx | if it doesn't ask, edit it and pay attention to line #17 |
| 09:01.41 | A|pha | :/ |
| 09:01.51 | A|pha | heh |
| 09:02.01 | A|pha | quuxman: Whatever works |
| 09:02.06 | mdh | I simply cannot stand using Microsoft Windows as a desktop for more than about 5 seconds |
| 09:02.13 | jetx | bdoojin: any problem following those instructions? |
| 09:02.14 | stealth | same |
| 09:02.18 | mdh | hence enter linux live cd's |
| 09:02.21 | stealth | mdh, feels like kryptonite |
| 09:02.21 | jetx | or comprehending? |
| 09:02.28 | directhex|work | one day windows will be ready for the desktop |
| 09:02.39 | directhex|work | infact, one day solaris will be ready for the server room |
| 09:02.44 | bdoojin | hahaha |
| 09:02.48 | bdoojin | jetx : I turned it off |
| 09:02.51 | bdoojin | see you soon |
| 09:02.52 | jetx | ok |
| 09:03.10 | A|pha | I need to stop using xp...onlyfor gaming, its starting to piss me off...especially the installer with sp2 |
| 09:03.15 | bdoojin | hahahaha guys |
| 09:03.17 | stealth | my mom was explaining to me how the average people just dont have time to learn Linux, let alone the will/desire even distros like redhat and mandrake. |
| 09:03.21 | empty | mdh- I am DLing an image (legal one from corp hq) of partition magi right now so I can convert my XP install to VFAT from NTFS. Why? Because I want to run it in qemu so I can access the retarded tools our new billing system requires |
| 09:03.27 | bdoojin | I finally succeeded in dispalying xwindows |
| 09:03.32 | bdoojin | *displaying |
| 09:03.47 | quuxman | funny when I think about how long it's been since I installed my desktop OS. I work in an MS shop IT department, where they re-image every machine every few months |
| 09:04.00 | A|pha | I am still tring to figure out how to effectively run CYGwin |
| 09:04.04 | A|pha | :/ |
| 09:04.07 | mdh | A|pha: I ridded myself of the scourge of the IT industry 6 years ago |
| 09:04.10 | jetx | i always install windows on fat32, get it like i want it, back it up, then run the ntfs converter.. and use a vfat dmz partition |
| 09:04.20 | mdh | A|pha: Sony make a nice gaming console |
| 09:04.22 | stealth | quuxman, wow.. |
| 09:04.28 | stealth | i havent reinstalled in three years |
| 09:04.35 | bdoojin | mdh : I still get a problem |
| 09:04.39 | stealth | Linux that is :D |
| 09:04.47 | quuxman | stealth: it's the only way to use windows really :P |
| 09:04.55 | stealth | yep |
| 09:04.57 | bdoojin | mdh : xwindows doesn't let me use higher resolution than 800x600 |
| 09:05.02 | A|pha | mdh: nantly...i gave into to MS and xbox live |
| 09:05.05 | bdoojin | I use 1240x1024 on windows |
| 09:05.11 | empty | stealth, well you have to with Windows otherwise your worms and trojans get too many conflicting dependencies O_o |
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| 09:05.16 | karsten | bdoojin: What's your video card? |
| 09:05.16 | A|pha | *unfourtanantly |
| 09:05.24 | stealth | LOL |
| 09:05.29 | mdh | empty: hahahaha oh, sad but true |
| 09:05.29 | bdoojin | NVIDIA 4 420 Go |
| 09:05.35 | quuxman | empty: hah |
| 09:05.36 | bdoojin | NVIDIA Geforce 4 420 Go |
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| 09:05.38 | jetx | bdoojin: google your monitor's model #, find out the vertical and horizontal refresh rates, drxx, and choose 'advanced' |
| 09:05.43 | stealth | empty, yea but tell average people that.. they dont care |
| 09:05.49 | karsten | !tell bdoojin about nvidia |
| 09:05.49 | A|pha | I hope my ati mobillity raedon 9700 will work |
| 09:05.50 | stealth | people accept crap because its easy |
| 09:05.53 | debian | quuxman: that is the only job that can keep stupid people busy |
| 09:06.08 | directhex|work | bdoojin, yet again, it's due to your inability to configure x correctly. there _WAS_ a section asking you which rtesolutions you wanted to use. |
| 09:06.11 | quuxman | debian: what IT? |
| 09:06.16 | mdh | A|pha: I think the free drivers will work with that, 3D accellerated and all, just fine |
| 09:06.20 | stealth | bitch when it dosent work, then wonder why people like us have 'attitudes' |
| 09:06.23 | bdoojin | ok guys |
| 09:06.25 | bdoojin | see you soon |
| 09:06.25 | empty | stealth, they care when you tell them other people could read every file on their puter, even the lovenote they typed for their secretary or the nude pics of thier wife |
| 09:06.28 | directhex|work | !tell jetx about hwinfo |
| 09:06.44 | jetx | ooo |
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| 09:07.00 | bdoojin | what's proper busid for nvidia geforce 4 420 go? |
| 09:07.01 | stealth | empty, yea but even so.. most people dont know there is a choice |
| 09:07.04 | empty | A|pha, it works stock with Radeon driver in X unless you want 3d |
| 09:07.06 | directhex|work | mdh, wrong |
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| 09:07.26 | directhex|work | bdoojin, FUCKING TYPE "lspci -X" TO FIND OUT |
| 09:07.28 | mort | bdoojin: none or check with slpci |
| 09:07.29 | debian | quuxman: just this month, they're busy figuring out why some machine can't perform windowsupdate. They get paid for Microsoft's problem. Happy |
| 09:07.36 | stealth | mass conversion wont happen until companies like, dell, hp, etc start giving options straight up like at bestbuy |
| 09:07.37 | bdoojin | what is lspci -X? |
| 09:07.45 | directhex|work | oh dear jesus, someone kill me now |
| 09:08.00 | empty | bdoojin, seriously you aren't too hot on reading comprehension are you? |
| 09:08.01 | debian | !kill directhex|work |
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| 09:08.16 | stealth | bdoojin, lspci -X is a command |
| 09:08.19 | stealth | you should read |
| 09:08.23 | stealth | www.linuxcommand.org |
| 09:08.24 | quuxman | debian: fortunately I don't actually do any of that crap (though re-imaging is pretty painless with ghost-image or whatever that package's called) |
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| 09:08.28 | mort | bdoojin: an application. you could also do "cat /proc/pci" |
| 09:08.30 | bdoojin | jesus |
| 09:08.30 | bellu | ola |
| 09:08.36 | empty | quuxman, norton ghost |
| 09:08.39 | mort | bdoojin: but lspci formats nicer |
| 09:08.43 | bellu | olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 09:08.52 | directhex|work | mort, and lspci -X formats in xfree86 config file format |
| 09:08.56 | streuner | bellu: dont troll here |
| 09:08.58 | stealth | bdoojin, http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ may help you also |
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| 09:09.03 | bellu | -ckbvkqeriugrt |
| 09:09.12 | bellu | gcjhcsjfhgfhfguydfefkukffjfuefjkefe |
| 09:09.12 | karsten | !ops bellu troll |
| 09:09.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: bellu troll |
| 09:09.21 | debian | quuxman: when you're assigned the same job, you wouldn't say that in front of your boss? :) |
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| 09:09.51 | quuxman | debian: huh? |
| 09:09.55 | streuner | !beer bob2 |
| 09:09.56 | mort | directhex|work: cool :) |
| 09:10.22 | directhex|work | i try to help people, really i do, but what am i supposed to do if they can't do what they're fucking told? |
| 09:10.26 | bdoojin | jesus christ |
| 09:10.42 | mdh | directhex|work: cry |
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| 09:10.56 | bdoojin | ./etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is not modified by dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:11.00 | karsten | directhex|work: Take up target shooting. |
| 09:11.14 | drac | !x md5sum |
| 09:11.14 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 09:11.14 | liable | bdoojin: you really should cut down on the blasphemy. :P |
| 09:11.22 | drac | bdoojin: ^^ read that. |
| 09:11.23 | quuxman | debian: same job as what? I'm certainly don't conceal my opinions :) |
| 09:11.29 | karsten | bdoojin: Read the top of the file. Bit about md5sums. Do what it says. |
| 09:11.35 | Tuttle | I found first two characters of numeric IP addresses cut in auth.log sometimes (for example pam_unix messages from vsftpd daemon), did anyone encounter such thing? |
| 09:11.39 | directhex|work | bdoojin, that was already covered about 15 minutes ago, before you even made it a problem |
| 09:12.02 | bdoojin | god |
| 09:12.03 | directhex|work | [10:04] <jetx> if it doesn't ask, edit it and pay attention to line #17 |
| 09:12.11 | bdoojin | thanks drac |
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| 09:12.27 | bdoojin | !x md5sum |
| 09:12.28 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 09:12.40 | HllywdW | /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.debian file shows me an example of [mysql] and [mysqladmin] for my.cnf |
| 09:12.43 | HllywdW | but |
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| 09:13.07 | HllywdW | I only have [mysqld] in my copy of my.cnf |
| 09:13.29 | jm_ | Tuttle: I never noticed any IP-s printed by pam_unix module |
| 09:13.30 | mdh | HllywdW: and that's why Bill Joy gave us vi |
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| 09:13.53 | sep | HllywdW: look in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/examples |
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| 09:14.56 | empty | mdh, I thought vi was a vixie thing |
| 09:15.02 | cmihai | The kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/md/0 (invalid argument). This means Linux won't know anything nothing about the modification you made until reboot. You shoul reboot your computer before doing anything with /dev/md/0. |
| 09:15.08 | Tuttle | jm_: You never saw things like this? Jun 20 13:32:36 bart x.xxx.xxx.xxx: connected: (pam_unix) session opened for user visitor by (uid=0). Then I'm not probably asking you. :-) |
| 09:15.15 | bdoojin | thanks guys I'm on xwindows with the resolution 1240x1024 |
| 09:15.20 | cmihai | Hmf, nice error messge. Note the "anything nothing" |
| 09:15.42 | directhex|work | 1280 |
| 09:15.54 | cmihai | Still, this whole software raid buisiness seems to be more trouble than worth... |
| 09:15.54 | bdoojin | hmm |
| 09:16.05 | bdoojin | where can I learn all basic stuff about linux? |
| 09:16.07 | mdh | empty: http://www.linux-mag.com/1999-11/joy_04.html |
| 09:16.13 | directhex|work | !fundementals |
| 09:16.19 | directhex|work | hmph |
| 09:16.23 | empty | !fundamentals |
| 09:16.24 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 09:16.28 | jm_ | Tuttle: well not from any other PAM app |
| 09:16.50 | directhex|work | hold on, is dpkg ignoring me? |
| 09:16.52 | directhex|work | !test |
| 09:16.52 | dpkg | Yes, directhex|work, you're still online. |
| 09:16.59 | directhex|work | oh right. spelling] |
| 09:17.06 | empty | :P |
| 09:17.07 | nse | I experienced a big problem now. Yesterday my Gnome was stoping and the system was going back to the gdm many times, whithout apparently reasons. Today any of my applications were starting even thought I called them many times. To resolve this I rebooted the system, and a lot of error start appearing, in the boot process it could not run fsck automatically and then asked for me to do by hand, i did it, it told me about many Inodes orphaned and many other things th |
| 09:17.07 | nse | at I fixed by myself, what does coused all this, why this happened? |
| 09:17.30 | bdoojin | bye |
| 09:17.32 | directhex|work | nse, could be a hardware problem |
| 09:17.34 | liable | spdf: ffs, how many times do you have to be told about away? |
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| 09:17.47 | bob2 | nse: that sounds like your disk is screwing up |
| 09:17.55 | empty | nse run of the mill filesystem corruption, might be hardware or environmental or a number of things |
| 09:17.56 | sep | nse: make sure you have recent backups now |
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| 09:18.07 | gary | awww, i've finished uni for the year, one more year left. I need to learn loads about networking as it's my crappest subject, but also loads about Oracle... |
| 09:18.09 | empty | nse, what sep said |
| 09:18.10 | gary | i hate networking with a passion |
| 09:18.29 | sep | gary: what ? networking is what i do for fun !! |
| 09:18.43 | bob2 | your degreee involves learning to use oracle? |
| 09:18.48 | bob2 | that sounds very vendor specific |
| 09:18.54 | mdh | gary: so what the fuck are you doing on the internet? |
| 09:18.58 | empty | sep, masochism notwithstanding.... |
| 09:19.16 | directhex|work | urgh, oracle |
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| 09:19.20 | empty | mdh, networks exist to get you to servers. which is where the fun stuff is |
| 09:19.25 | gary | Networking in uni i hate. Designing network topologies especially |
| 09:19.38 | gary | bob2: Yes it does |
| 09:19.51 | jm_ | Tuttle: just tried it with vsftpd and it doesn't log any IP-s either |
| 09:20.19 | nse | So the best to do now is make a backup of the filesystem, any good tool for that? If I had the same problem running other OS like windows I could be troubled now? |
| 09:20.21 | empty | Tuttle, are you using telnet or rsh or something like that? |
| 09:20.38 | Tuttle | empty: no, ssh and vsftpd |
| 09:20.44 | sep | nse: when the disk dies your allways in troubble no matter what os you run. |
| 09:20.47 | Tuttle | and some more daemons |
| 09:20.58 | empty | Tuttle, and no weird pam configs youve homebrewed? weird |
| 09:21.13 | empty | sep, unless it's a livecd ;) |
| 09:21.38 | sep | nse: i tend to grab a dpkg --get-selections list, and tar up all the userdata, and /etc and /var |
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| 09:21.54 | Tuttle | jm_: I've set auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth in syslog.conf and have session_support=YES in vsftpd.conf. That starts PAM session. |
| 09:22.29 | sep | empty: if your on a livecd, then your already in trouble. |
| 09:22.35 | quuxman | Tuttle: yeah that's a little strange. I grepped my auth.log and didn't find any malformed IP addresses |
| 09:22.48 | Tuttle | empty: just some little changes in /etc/pam.d. But that IMHO shouldn't cause this. Seems like a serious bug. |
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| 09:22.56 | nse | sep: tar all this stuff to one file.. but if the system breaks completely what would be the point of that? |
| 09:23.12 | sep | nse: i dont store the tar on the ox in question ofcouse ! |
| 09:23.18 | ColonelKernel | is there a debian rescue disk? I have a dell dimension series and it does funky things with HD partitions |
| 09:23.20 | jm_ | Tuttle: doesn't make any difference here, and |
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| 09:23.35 | sep | nse: i store the backups on a disk at a random location |
| 09:23.37 | empty | sep, true that, although I must say I will be bringing knoppix on my next no-laptop vacation |
| 09:23.42 | sep | s/random/remote/ |
| 09:23.45 | sep | :) |
| 09:23.49 | mdh | ColonelKernel: burn a copy of grml |
| 09:23.53 | greyson | empty: Definitely. |
| 09:24.23 | Tuttle | jm_: I do not understand what you're meaning. Could you take as a fact, that my PAM is logging vsftpd sessions to authlog? |
| 09:24.25 | empty | sep, I tried to check my bank balance at a cybercafe in Mexico on my honeymoon... after I disabled the four frigging keyloggers on the box of course |
| 09:24.29 | jimi | how do I set up X, so that when i type startx it goes into kde (not gnome)? |
| 09:24.37 | sep | nse: if you have lots of space, you could jsut tar up the whole thing and dont mess with the --get-selections stuff |
| 09:24.43 | ColonelKernel | mdh - all I have to do is install grub to a diff hd |
| 09:24.47 | nse | sep: a different disk from the one that is breaking, i don't have that disk :( |
| 09:24.49 | ColonelKernel | cause hte bios flips things around |
| 09:24.54 | jm_ | Tuttle: I am saying that even when I set session_support to YES, it still doesn't log any IP-s |
| 09:25.06 | cmihai | devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument <4> devfs.mk_dev: could not append to parrent for / disk |
| 09:25.08 | directhex|work | jimi, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 09:25.09 | cmihai | What's that ?! |
| 09:25.35 | directhex|work | jimi, or add "startkde" to ~/.xinitrc |
| 09:25.36 | mdh | ColonelKernel: you can do that from grub itself |
| 09:25.41 | nse | sep: I have two partitions one that is the root filesystem and a swap, organized into a 40 GB HD.. |
| 09:25.43 | sep | nse: then you crash and burn |
| 09:25.45 | Tuttle | jm_: then it's probably caused by some another setting... nevertheless the log messages start with the third letter of numeric IP address... :-O |
| 09:26.04 | empty | night all, this little penguin is going to crash out. Busy day tomorrow- I get to replace the radiator in my jeep, woot |
| 09:26.04 | jm_ | Tuttle: well that's why it would be helpful if someone else can reproduce the issue |
| 09:26.07 | mdh | ColonelKernel: setup (hdX) |
| 09:26.19 | ColonelKernel | mdh, at the boot prompt? |
| 09:26.27 | mdh | ColonelKernel: yep. |
| 09:26.28 | quuxman | Tuttle: it doesn't do the same thing with ssh sessions does it? |
| 09:26.31 | ColonelKernel | crack |
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| 09:26.36 | cmihai | I just installed Debian Sarge. I created 1 RAID 1 for /boot, 1 RAID 0 with LVM on it, and one swap and / in LVM. Grub only installed on the ATA disk, not the SATA's where the RAID 0 software is. LILO didn't want to install on the md. |
| 09:26.38 | Tuttle | jm_: okay, found another "pam" string in vsftpd.conf: pam_service_name=vsftpd |
| 09:26.39 | nse | sep: Would it be a good idea to resize the partitions in order to create a new one to put stuff there, would it be secured? |
| 09:26.40 | ColonelKernel | so whats /dev/hdb |
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| 09:26.46 | sep | nse: with only 1 disk i doubt you have anything to worry about in there anyway :P |
| 09:26.48 | ColonelKernel | hd1? |
| 09:26.48 | jm_ | Tuttle: that's enabled by default |
| 09:26.53 | sep | nse: no |
| 09:26.54 | mdh | ColonelKernel: whatever you mapped it to in your /boot/grub/device.map |
| 09:27.01 | cmihai | And it gives me that strange error, though when I boot from the ATA disk, it ...sort of works (but with like 10000 errors like that) |
| 09:27.03 | ColonelKernel | astounding |
| 09:27.14 | mdh | ColonelKernel: you can cat that file without even booting into linux from grub :) |
| 09:27.16 | ColonelKernel | ill have to give it a shot I guess |
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| 09:27.34 | jimi | thanks heaps guys for the startkde thing - i cant scroll up in bitchx to see who said it =) |
| 09:27.35 | nse | sep: as you can see I'm fucked, all my life is in this alone disk. |
| 09:27.35 | mdh | ColonelKernel: the grub console is pretty damn nifty |
| 09:27.50 | ColonelKernel | mdh my smb server has just failed on fc4 for no reason - no changes to it, its been working all week, it randomly stopped working |
| 09:27.51 | empty | nse, the drive is going bad, hence all of it isbad territory... check your kern.log for the last few days and see if you see errors |
| 09:27.59 | Tuttle | quuxman: SSH pam record doesn't contain an IP address: Jun 21 11:19:38 bart sshd[11846]: (pam_unix) session opened for user jimo by (uid=0) |
| 09:28.01 | ColonelKernel | im moving the server to debian as well |
| 09:28.03 | sep | nse: that's unwise, get a usb2.0 removeable hd for backup |
| 09:28.22 | Nigel | root 7894 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 21:18 0:00 [loop0] <- how would i kill that process? |
| 09:28.36 | Nigel | the actual mount that used it has gone |
| 09:28.39 | sep | nse: point is you should take your backups _before_ you experience problems with your filesystems. |
| 09:28.39 | mdh | ColonelKernel: nice. I moved from redhat 6 years ago and haven't looked back |
| 09:28.45 | empty | Nigel rmmod loop |
| 09:28.59 | quuxman | Tuttle: uhm hmm. it certainly does on my server |
| 09:29.01 | Nigel | nvm, i'll use /dev/loop1 |
| 09:29.01 | nse | empty, sep: I'll listen to your advices, let me put them into practic.. |
| 09:29.09 | mdh | arrogant, lying bastards they are |
| 09:29.20 | empty | nse, at the least get a burner |
| 09:29.20 | Tuttle | quuxman: And those messages (from ssh) seem not cut like those caused by vsftpd. |
| 09:29.24 | quuxman | Tuttle: and my desktop |
| 09:30.33 | Tuttle | quuxman: how does you ssh record look? there is another log message above the one I pasted for ssh: Jun 21 11:19:38 bart sshd[11842]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for jimo from 10.82.0.3 port 1195 ssh2 |
| 09:30.51 | Tuttle | Even this one looks okay. |
| 09:31.06 | mdh | wow, one.net doesn't appear to belong to george shearer anymore |
| 09:31.20 | quuxman | Tuttle: ah sorry you're right. the ones with the IP have nothing to do with pam apparently |
| 09:31.29 | Tuttle | quuxman: yep |
| 09:31.44 | quuxman | either "accepted publickey" or "failed password for illegal user" |
| 09:31.45 | xrgtn | anyone managed to run Notes R6 in any Debian's wine? |
| 09:32.12 | mdh | !anyone |
| 09:32.12 | dpkg | somebody said anyone was ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 09:32.46 | mdh | although, to be honest, since the subject is Notes I think the factoid could be wrong ;) |
| 09:32.59 | peterS | ha |
| 09:33.19 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: anyone =~ s/***/<reply>***/ |
| 09:33.19 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 09:33.39 | HllywdW | how do you start mysqld? |
| 09:33.48 | dondelelcaro | HllywdW: /etc/init.d/mysql start; |
| 09:33.50 | HllywdW | what is the command to start the server? |
| 09:33.55 | HllywdW | thanks |
| 09:34.04 | dondelelcaro | or mysql-server, or whatever it's actually called. |
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| 09:35.28 | ColonelKernel | ok, time to install sarge on the server |
| 09:35.40 | HllywdW | can't seem to start it still because of the socket |
| 09:36.10 | mdh | karsten: so, you heard about my incident with the backup server then? ;) |
| 09:36.45 | karsten | mdh: No, but I figured something like that if you're treating bacula like that. |
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| 09:37.40 | mdh | massive filesystem corruption (on a 5+ yr old drive). The disk itself seemed fine, I reinstalled (using sarge) but now the fucker won't work the tape drive |
| 09:38.08 | quuxman | mdh: backups are a joy |
| 09:38.34 | mdh | unable to open device /dev/nst0: ERR=Input/output error |
| 09:38.42 | pirre | Hello, is there any way of finding library packages that aren't used by any other packages? I'm going through all my packages to see if there are any I can remove. |
| 09:38.52 | HllywdW | still having a hell of a time to get this to start |
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| 09:38.58 | mdh | and I've done all the normal diagnostics. mtx works it fine. the device does exist and is the right one. |
| 09:39.03 | HllywdW | this is hard to install |
| 09:39.08 | HllywdW | well configure |
| 09:39.09 | mdh | permissions are fine |
| 09:39.17 | karsten | mdh: Hrm. |
| 09:39.30 | karsten | pirre: deborphan. |
| 09:39.40 | pirre | karsten: thanks! |
| 09:39.44 | oKtosiTe | My grub mbr got overwritten. I don't want to repartition to restore it. Is there any easy way to get it back? |
| 09:39.50 | mdh | the only thing different about the server after rebuild is the kernel |
| 09:39.55 | karsten | oKtosiTe: grub-install <device> |
| 09:40.11 | oKtosiTe | karsten: the computer doesn't boot. |
| 09:40.15 | mdh | since I restored the original bacula config with a rescue cd out of lost+found |
| 09:40.15 | karsten | mdh: Got scsi & scsi tape drivers? |
| 09:40.17 | wakamiya | someone installed the ati driver on sarge 64 ? |
| 09:40.20 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Use a boot disk. |
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| 09:40.32 | karsten | mdh: What kind of tape? |
| 09:40.46 | mdh | karsten: yep. to get mtx to work I noticed I'd forgotten to load sg though, so I fixed that in /etc/modules |
| 09:40.54 | karsten | oKtosiTe: lnx0-bbc, knoppix, tomsrtbt, etc. |
| 09:41.01 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...or your Debian install disk. |
| 09:41.07 | quuxman | oKtosiTe: use a boot disk and do something like grub-install <device> --rot-filesystem /mnt/blah |
| 09:41.13 | karsten | mdh: You'll need st too. |
| 09:41.18 | mdh | Vendor: HP Model: C5713A Rev: H910 |
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| 09:41.34 | oKtosiTe | quuxman: now that's what I was hoping to hear, thanks. |
| 09:41.36 | mdh | karsten: the sarge install detected that and loaded it automatically :) |
| 09:41.47 | quuxman | oKtosiTe: :s/rot/root/ |
| 09:41.50 | mdh | karsten: it just didn't detect the fact it was an autochanger so it didn't load sg |
| 09:41.51 | karsten | oKtosiTe: s/rot/root/ |
| 09:42.05 | karsten | mdh: sweet, mostly. |
| 09:42.06 | quuxman | karsten: lol |
| 09:42.14 | Nigel | i seem to have some problems with /dev/loop, i'm using it for http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt but on apt-get upgrade it complains about lack of diskspace |
| 09:42.20 | oKtosiTe | quuxman, karsten: can you reccommend a specific boot disk that has grub-install on it? |
| 09:42.37 | quuxman | oKtosiTe: your debian install disk should work just fine |
| 09:42.53 | quuxman | oKtosiTe: when you get to the first dialog, just switch to a different vt |
| 09:42.56 | Nigel | /dev/loop1 53M 51M 0 100% /uml/testbed/root_effess |
| 09:43.04 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Boot anything and chroot into your system. LNX-BBC or Damn Small Linux should work. They're both small (50 MB). |
| 09:43.29 | Nigel | anyway to tell loop to expand to like 100M? |
| 09:43.32 | sparr_ | i need to flip my video vertically and horizontally (for projection), im using nvidia drivers, how can i accomplish this? |
| 09:43.32 | mdh | oKtosiTe: I like grml. they even use zsh by default |
| 09:43.34 | karsten | Nigel: Looks like you copied your data to /dev/loop rather than mounted it. |
| 09:43.43 | karsten | Nigel: Loop doesn't contain data. |
| 09:43.43 | mdh | and of course are based on debian |
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| 09:44.42 | Nigel | karsten: "losetup /dev/loop0 root_fs" then it was mounted |
| 09:45.12 | karsten | Nigel: Hrm. I haven't dealt w/ that. |
| 09:45.29 | karsten | Nigel: Check that you're supposed to specify the device file though, I suspect you're wrong on that. |
| 09:45.32 | jethro | idnar: you need to mount /dev/loop0 /mountpoint then |
| 09:45.49 | jethro | then s/idnar/Nigel/ |
| 09:45.50 | karsten | Nigel: By default you should have 8 loopback files: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 0 2005-06-19 05:48 /dev/loop0 |
| 09:45.53 | jethro | I so suck |
| 09:45.53 | sparr_ | make that vertically, NOT horizontally |
| 09:45.59 | karsten | Nigel: ... minor numbers 0-7 |
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| 09:46.21 | karsten | jethro: If you swallow too we've got a deal. |
| 09:46.27 | jethro | karsten: :) |
| 09:46.33 | Nigel | as i said, i'm doing what was said here: http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
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| 09:46.41 | quuxman | karsten: we think alike |
| 09:46.48 | karsten | quuxman: ;-) |
| 09:47.00 | Phated | quuxman: Don't be too hasty in admitting that. :) |
| 09:47.03 | jethro | Nigel: losetup /dev/loopN root_fs; mount /dev/loop0 /mountpoint, then write in mountpoint |
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| 09:47.36 | karsten | Nigel: OK. Not sure then. |
| 09:48.09 | Nigel | jethro: so N been 0-7 or am i mistaking it? |
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| 09:48.28 | jethro | Nigel: yes, N being 0-7. |
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| 09:48.59 | bdoojin | hi |
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| 09:49.23 | bdoojin | huh |
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| 09:49.57 | bdoojin | you know what I mean |
| 09:50.17 | bdoojin | what's good mame program for linux? |
| 09:51.07 | Tuttle | So where should I go with my two-characters-cut-in-the-log problem? :) |
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| 09:51.11 | zak | where is the system-wide language settings? im on knoppix installed on HD, and since i switched to GRUB everything's been in german... would it be "lang=us" in the kernel command line (it seems like the obvious choice, but it could be just the language for kernel messages or something), or something in initrd? |
| 09:51.38 | sparr_ | !knoppix |
| 09:51.39 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or no more debian then mandrake is redhat. |
| 09:51.43 | WireDDD | you could always learn german... |
| 09:52.05 | bdoojin | helllo? |
| 09:52.08 | bdoojin | hello? |
| 09:52.08 | karsten | zak: dpkg-reconfigure locales IIRC. |
| 09:52.27 | pirre | bdoojin: xmame? |
| 09:52.29 | greyson | bdoojin: So far, you're not making much sense. |
| 09:52.29 | karsten | bdoojin: ...in a chamber of hellos, hello, hello, hello, hello.... |
| 09:52.37 | bdoojin | what is xmame? |
| 09:52.37 | zak | im fairly certain not only knoppix is multi-lingual, and #knoppix is near empty :) |
| 09:52.54 | pirre | 11:49 < bdoojin> what's good mame program for linux? |
| 09:53.02 | pirre | bdoojin: apt-cache search mame |
| 09:53.07 | nksen_ | pirre: mame? |
| 09:53.09 | greyson | zak: Well, note that Knoppix was originally put together by a german. |
| 09:53.12 | bdoojin | pirre : jesus thanks |
| 09:53.13 | WireDDD | bdoojin, its what your looking for |
| 09:53.15 | zak | is that that multi-machine emulator? |
| 09:53.25 | pirre | nksen_: mama? |
| 09:53.39 | nksen_ | pirre: what's mame? |
| 09:53.43 | WireDDD | multiple arcade machine emulator |
| 09:53.45 | zak | thanks karsten |
| 09:53.48 | pirre | nksen_: what WireDDD said. |
| 09:53.54 | greyson | zak: Other than that, there's noone here to help. |
| 09:54.01 | nksen_ | pirre: good to know, eh? :) you didn't know either |
| 09:54.29 | pirre | nksen_: I've heard of it, never used it though. |
| 09:54.30 | mdh | another piece of useless information without which you can't honestly say you know everything |
| 09:55.00 | oKtosiTe | quuxman, karsten: with the debian install cd I can't even mount my partition, let alone run grub-install. I'm desperate, this is my server, and I need it back up really soon. |
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| 09:55.06 | bdoojin | chi |
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| 09:55.17 | karsten | oKtosiTe: OK. |
| 09:55.20 | bdoojin | I can't install xmame through korea debian server |
| 09:55.31 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Debian install disk. VT 2. Got shell? |
| 09:55.39 | oKtosiTe | karsten: yep |
| 09:55.44 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...and I'm assuming you've got two boxes so you can IRC & fiddle. |
| 09:55.52 | oKtosiTe | karsten: yep |
| 09:55.55 | karsten | oKtosiTe: OK. 'fdisk -l' should show your partitions. |
| 09:56.12 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Is your partition table intact, can you see your partitions? |
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| 09:56.44 | oKtosiTe | karsten, only gives newline. in /dev/, there are no hda, hdb, etc. |
| 09:57.15 | oKtosiTe | karsten: the installer does list my partitions properly however |
| 09:57.16 | shdl_ | hi . How can i make a OR with grep . Exemple : I want to match this file if 'tutu' is present OR 'tata' is present |
| 09:57.18 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Are you running the install disk or are you chrooted into yoru installed system? |
| 09:57.18 | shdl_ | ? |
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| 09:57.24 | QUACH-214 | hi, some one know how to config debian to use FTP connect into server as root?, i can use Putty to connect SSH as root but when use CuteFTP to connect as root it say No further authentication methods available |
| 09:57.27 | mdh | bdoojin: its part of non-free |
| 09:57.29 | karsten | oKtosiTe: OK, that's good enough. What's your root FS filesystem type? |
| 09:57.32 | oKtosiTe | karsten: netinstall disc |
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| 09:57.40 | oKtosiTe | karsten: ext3 |
| 09:57.44 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...and is root One Big Partition or just minimal? |
| 09:57.55 | pirre | QUACH-214: FTP as root? Sounds like a Bad Idea[tm] |
| 09:58.07 | karsten | oKtosiTe: OK: mkdir /mnt/target; mount -r -t ext2 /dev/hda<number> |
| 09:58.12 | liable | mdh: guess what the next question is :) |
| 09:58.12 | oKtosiTe | karsten: partitions: 9GB ext3, 512MB swap |
| 09:58.17 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...where number is the partition number. |
| 09:58.25 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...and ext3 *will* mount as ext2. |
| 09:58.25 | mdh | liable: I know, I know... :) |
| 09:58.35 | karsten | oKtosiTe: OK. |
| 09:58.38 | oKtosiTe | karsten: there are no /dev/hdaX's |
| 09:59.16 | otroean | hi. I'm trying to amule with dpkg but it misses 2 dependencies. How can I download them? |
| 09:59.17 | liable | heh |
| 09:59.18 | oKtosiTe | karsten: the /dev/ dir is fairly empty compared to a regular system |
| 09:59.25 | pirre | otroean: apt-get? |
| 09:59.34 | karsten | oKtosiTe: mknod /dev/hda c 3 0 |
| 09:59.38 | hackeron | I'm trying to forward 10.44.46.1:1344 to 10.44.46.33:1344 with shorewall, any ideas why the following isnt working? - DNAT loc:10.44.46.1 loc:10.44.46.33 tcp 1344 1344 |
| 09:59.44 | karsten | oKtosiTe: mknod /dev/hda1 c 3 1 |
| 09:59.48 | otroean | pirre, can't find amule with apt-get |
| 09:59.55 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...try that. |
| 10:00.02 | zak | anyone know if it is possible to boot a HD rather than a partition from grub? |
| 10:00.10 | pirre | otroean: oh. Well, you could apt-get the dependencies anyway |
| 10:00.20 | karsten | zak: Yes, it is. Specify /dev/hda rather than /dev/hda1, eg. |
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| 10:00.22 | otroean | ok... |
| 10:00.44 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...that should give you an hda and hda1, which is all you need ATM. |
| 10:00.52 | bdoojin | what debian server has xmame for apt-get |
| 10:01.02 | oKtosiTe | karsten: mount says: Block device required |
| 10:01.14 | karsten | oKtosiTe: s/c/b/ |
| 10:01.22 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...in the mknod command. My bad. |
| 10:01.24 | mdh | QUACH-214: FTP authenticates in plain text. by enabling root logins via ftp, and especially running other login shell programs enabling root login, you're giving everyone on the internet root access to that box |
| 10:01.24 | otroean | pirre, should i first apt the dependencies ant then install amule? |
| 10:01.26 | pirre | bdoojin: It's in the unstable distribution, don't know if it's available in stable. |
| 10:01.26 | zak | karsten: grub allows /dev/hd..? ive been using the wierd (hdx,x) :| |
| 10:01.29 | pirre | otroean: aye. |
| 10:01.37 | otroean | pirre, thnx |
| 10:01.38 | karsten | zak: Read the info docs. |
| 10:01.38 | bdoojin | It is not in stable |
| 10:01.39 | oKtosiTe | karsten: ok |
| 10:01.42 | quuxman | hmm does anybody else here have problems with the testing version of xlibs? |
| 10:01.56 | bdoojin | xmame is one of greatest programs |
| 10:01.57 | mdh | bdoojin: all the debian mirrors do, so long as they are mirroring non-free |
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| 10:02.17 | Jhair | bdoojin: there is a debian page where you can search packages, use it (www.debian.org) |
| 10:02.23 | pirre | otroean: ah, I guess you'll have to download it manually then. |
| 10:02.25 | mdh | bdoojin: you need to add non-free into /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:02.42 | oKtosiTe | karsten: Mount failed: Invalid argument |
| 10:02.45 | mdh | bdoojin: alongside "main" and "contrib" if you have that |
| 10:02.49 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Command? |
| 10:03.09 | oKtosiTe | mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/target |
| 10:03.12 | mdh | bdoojin: then you apt-get update && apt-get install xmame |
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| 10:03.36 | Nykheyn | which diffrerences between etch and sarge? |
| 10:03.42 | mdh | (well, xmame-x or xmame-gl or xmame-sdl ... whichever you want) |
| 10:03.54 | karsten | oKtosiTe: You've got to create /dev/hda2 |
| 10:04.05 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...then: mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt/target |
| 10:04.06 | bdoojin | what? |
| 10:04.11 | mdh | Nykheyn: sarge = stable, etch = testing (what ill become the next stable in 2008-2009 ;) |
| 10:04.19 | karsten | Nykheyn: Read the release notes. |
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| 10:04.51 | Nykheyn | mdh sarge troubles are solved in etch? |
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| 10:05.06 | oKtosiTe | karsten: that's what I did |
| 10:05.06 | mdh | Nykheyn: sarge troubles are solved in sarge |
| 10:05.20 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...and? |
| 10:05.23 | bdoojin | ¼Ò¹«³ª |
| 10:05.43 | oKtosiTe | karsten: Mounting x on y failed: Invalid Argument |
| 10:05.44 | karsten | bdoojin: English & UTF8 please. |
| 10:05.45 | Nykheyn | mdh upgrading sarge i've encountered major troubles... system more slow |
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| 10:05.55 | bdoojin | thanks |
| 10:06.11 | karsten | oKtosiTe: OK... |
| 10:06.19 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Any error messages in dmesg? |
| 10:06.42 | otroean | pirre, both of the dependencies wan't each other. How can i install then? |
| 10:06.58 | pirre | otroean: install them at the same time? |
| 10:06.59 | oKtosiTe | karsten: corrupt root inode |
| 10:07.02 | Teufel | .... all my computer does when I start it is print LI on the screen with a blinking curser under it.... wtf? |
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| 10:07.07 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ?? |
| 10:07.09 | pirre | otroean: dpkg -i package1 package2 |
| 10:07.18 | directhex|work | !li |
| 10:07.19 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 10:07.19 | karsten | oKtosiTe: OK. Try an fsck on the partition. |
| 10:07.39 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...and I'd recommend LNX-BBC over Debian install disk, it's got a lot more utilities on it. Knoppix even better. |
| 10:07.40 | otroean | pirre, He still argues... |
| 10:08.05 | pirre | otroean: then I don't know how to solve it, unfortunately :/ |
| 10:08.16 | mdh | Teufel: that's ascii art, of your computer. that little hole at the bottom (between the L and I) is where the rest of your lame-o bootloader leaked out |
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| 10:08.42 | otroean | pirre, ok. thnx |
| 10:08.54 | Teufel | mdh: so... anything I can do to make it boot up again like normal? |
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| 10:09.24 | oKtosiTe | karsten: I basically have a disc with thousands of errors, that worked fine yesterday. |
| 10:09.24 | bdoojin | I need to choose one |
| 10:09.24 | spdf | Teufel, Is this a new installation, or did it work before? |
| 10:09.40 | mdh | !tell Teufel about li |
| 10:09.57 | Teufel | spdf: new installation but the disc has worked fine before |
| 10:10.01 | quuxman | oKtosiTe: perhaps you have a toasted drive? |
| 10:10.12 | quuxman | oKtosiTe: may be time to revert to a backup :-/ |
| 10:10.25 | spdf | Teufel, How are your partitions setup (Size.. etc..) |
| 10:10.34 | karsten | oKtosiTe: OK. Could be a bad disk. |
| 10:10.42 | karsten | oKtosiTe: My suggestion is this |
| 10:10.46 | Teufel | spdf: I have a 119.5gb linux partition and a 500mb swap |
| 10:10.56 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Get a Knoppix disk. Buy a new disk. Freeze your current disk. |
| 10:11.00 | oKtosiTe | karsten: I guess so, just what I needed. ANOTHER bad disc. |
| 10:11.04 | spdf | Teufel, Okay, that's why, its unable to boot that 119gb partition. |
| 10:11.18 | mdh | spdf: lilo simply can't find the second-stage bootloader |
| 10:11.20 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ...Install new disk, copy old to new as quickly as possible after pulling from freezer. |
| 10:11.24 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Manufacturer? |
| 10:11.32 | Teufel | spdf: I had debian installed before on this HD and it booted fine |
| 10:11.44 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Also: do *READ* *ONLY* mounts. |
| 10:11.45 | Teufel | spdf: Didn't have swap before though, could that be the problem? |
| 10:11.52 | spdf | Teufel, No |
| 10:11.56 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Desktop or laptop? |
| 10:11.57 | nvz | yeah buddy, my brother came up off the GTA-SA |
| 10:11.58 | mdh | spdf: mostly likely a kernel got upgraded and Teufel forgot to re-run lilo |
| 10:12.12 | quuxman | karsten: you mean literally freeze it? |
| 10:12.15 | spdf | mdh, Why are you telling me this? |
| 10:12.18 | karsten | quuxman: Yes. |
| 10:12.23 | quuxman | karsten: haven't heard that one before |
| 10:12.36 | karsten | quuxman: Put the disk in a moisture-proof bag. Condensation == bad. |
| 10:12.40 | karsten | quuxman: Google it. |
| 10:12.40 | Nykheyn | after upgrading (sarge) the network doesn't work correctly |
| 10:12.44 | mdh | spdf: because I doubt your assertion about the partition size is correct |
| 10:12.45 | oKtosiTe | karsten: server, maxtor disc |
| 10:12.51 | karsten | quuxman: It's sort of an extreme technique but has some success. |
| 10:12.54 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Buy real disks. |
| 10:13.02 | Nykheyn | after upgrading (sarge) the network doesn't work correctly/what i can do? |
| 10:13.04 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Maxtor sucks. Seagate, WD, Hitache. |
| 10:13.05 | liable | !doesnt work |
| 10:13.09 | karsten | s/Hitache/Hitachi/ |
| 10:13.10 | oKtosiTe | karsten: I'm poor. ;-( |
| 10:13.15 | liable | !doesn't work |
| 10:13.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 10:13.16 | WireDDD | anti static bag inside of a ziploc should do fine |
| 10:13.19 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Get used to buying disks then. |
| 10:13.32 | liable | goddam engrish |
| 10:13.58 | Nykheyn | after upgrading (sarge) internet navigation is horribly slow./what i can do? |
| 10:13.59 | Teufel | so is there anything I can do to just put lilo on it? If I have a knoppix cd, could I do it from that? |
| 10:14.12 | spdf | mdh, Thats how it works here, on mine.. |
| 10:14.20 | oKtosiTe | karsten: Oh well. Thanks for the help anyway. |
| 10:14.28 | karsten | Teufel: Run Knoppix. Mount disk. chroot into it. Run lilo. |
| 10:14.31 | karsten | oKtosiTe: NP. |
| 10:14.32 | mdh | Teufel: yes. mount the drive, chroot to it, re-run /sbin/lilo |
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| 10:15.14 | Teufel | thanks mdh and karsten, I'll try that |
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| 10:16.08 | mdh | spdf: with lba32 support it shouldn't matter where on the disk the kernel is |
| 10:16.22 | mdh | none of this first 1024 cylinders crap |
| 10:17.03 | Nykheyn | after upgrading (sarge) internet navigation is horribly slow./what i can do? |
| 10:17.19 | spdf | Nykheyn, Which browser? |
| 10:17.27 | liable | Nykheyn: please be a little more descriptive. You upgraded from woody to sarge? you just upgraded sarge? how is it slow? pinging? name resolution? |
| 10:17.28 | Nykheyn | spdf direfox |
| 10:17.32 | mdh | Nykheyn: have you got the latest version of the internet? |
| 10:17.32 | Nykheyn | firefox |
| 10:17.34 | Teufel | omg never used knoppix on this comp before, my screen is going all crazy |
| 10:17.39 | spdf | Nykheyn, Is it the same in others? |
| 10:18.00 | Nykheyn | spdf, what? |
| 10:18.13 | spdf | Nykheyn, in other browsers.. |
| 10:18.27 | spdf | Teufel, You just need to boot to the commandline |
| 10:18.45 | Teufel | spdf: too late, already loaded the gui |
| 10:18.47 | Nykheyn | spdf i've got only firefox |
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| 10:21.30 | Nykheyn | etch which kernel uses? |
| 10:21.40 | error403 | is debootstrap the program that launches the debain installer? |
| 10:21.50 | greyson | Nykheyn: Kernel you choose can. |
| 10:21.58 | Nykheyn | 2.6? |
| 10:21.59 | liable | haha |
| 10:22.00 | Teufel | Ok, I have knoppix loaded, I don't get chroot command lol, already read the --help |
| 10:22.09 | greyson | Nykheyn: There are several options. |
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| 10:22.30 | liable | greyson is know known as yoda :P |
| 10:23.16 | spdf | Teufel, change to root, Mount the root partition for the linux installation... and then chroot [/mounted/root/partition] |
| 10:23.19 | greyson | Ah, not quite the effect I was hoping for... |
| 10:23.21 | pirre | when 500 years debian reaches, look as good, it is then, hmmm?? |
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| 10:24.09 | greyson | pirre: Ian much to learn he must, five hundred years to see it. Yes! |
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| 10:24.36 | pirre | greyson: ^_^ |
| 10:24.46 | Teufel | spdf: I'm trying it keeps saying no such file or directory |
| 10:24.58 | liable | hahaha |
| 10:25.00 | Teufel | spdf: chroot /mnt/root/hda1 |
| 10:25.01 | spdf | Teufel, What says it? |
| 10:25.18 | greyson | Nykheyn: Yes, 2.6 is a choice. There are usually several versions... and you can always compile your own! |
| 10:25.22 | Teufel | spdf: "chroot: cannont change root directory to ..... No such file or directory |
| 10:25.32 | am88b | chroot /mnt/root/hda1 /bin/sh ? |
| 10:25.42 | sirv | how do you mount a drive automaticly after you have loaded the module on boot? |
| 10:25.42 | am88b | nm, I'm stupid |
| 10:25.45 | spdf | Teufel, cd /mnt/root/hda1 are there any files in there? |
| 10:25.52 | sirv | mdoule for the controller card that is |
| 10:26.08 | Teufel | spdf: says no file or directory =/ |
| 10:26.19 | greyson | am88b: hehe... for a second I though you had typed something like "mount /dev/hda1 /bin/sh" |
| 10:26.25 | Teufel | spdf: can get into /mnt/hda1 |
| 10:26.30 | spdf | Teufel, Yargh... :) |
| 10:26.34 | mdh | 32. Defendant slashdot.org is an far-right wing Internet news website that posts libelous and defamatory content and is used by Open Source Community members to anonymously post hate speech, death threats, threats to murder and promotes and advocates acts of domestic terrorism within the United States. The address and location of defendants is believed to be within the State of California, but is unknown at the present time. |
| 10:26.48 | Teufel | spdf: well not really into, says operation not permitted =/ |
| 10:26.53 | spdf | Teufel, su |
| 10:27.15 | Teufel | spdf: SU isn't found on knoppix |
| 10:27.34 | WireDDD | mdh what is that from? |
| 10:27.37 | spdf | Teufel, Huh? |
| 10:27.46 | Teufel | spdf: ok nm, I'm a retard =P |
| 10:27.46 | bdoojin | hello? |
| 10:27.48 | mdh | WireDDD: http://www.merkeylaw.com/article.php?story=20050621145053855&mode=print |
| 10:27.50 | spdf | Teufel, fair enough. |
| 10:27.57 | spdf | Teufel, Okay.. mount /mnt/hda1 |
| 10:28.04 | bdoojin | I added proper rom files directory and clocked rebuild game list, but gxmame doesn't display any game |
| 10:28.09 | Teufel | spdf: =) Ok, so I just go into /sbin and run the lilo executiable? |
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| 10:28.13 | bdoojin | *clocked -> clicked |
| 10:28.13 | mdh | this is funnier than the SCO suit |
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| 10:28.26 | spdf | Teufel, Did you chroot /mnt/hda1? |
| 10:28.31 | Teufel | spdf: yes |
| 10:28.36 | spdf | Teufel, Okay /sbin/lilo |
| 10:28.50 | bdoojin | help me |
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| 10:29.09 | Teufel | spdf: fatal: open /dev/hda permission denied |
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| 10:29.34 | dv_ | hello |
| 10:29.58 | Teufel | spdf: I can get into /hda1/sbin but can't run it =/ |
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| 10:30.29 | greyson | mdh: Was that linked from slashdot? |
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| 10:30.56 | dv_ | say, how is it possible in debian to use Xcursor themes for the X11 mouse cursor? |
| 10:31.01 | dv_ | i have xorg 6.8.2 installed |
| 10:31.30 | mdh | greyson: dunno, I rarely ever read /. |
| 10:31.39 | mdh | greyson: I did find it on LWN though |
| 10:31.44 | dv_ | I unpacked a theme into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/ |
| 10:31.46 | greyson | lwn? |
| 10:31.58 | liable | !lwn |
| 10:31.59 | dpkg | from memory, lwn is Linux Weekly News. "LWN.net has been covering the Linux and free software communities since 1998. Our aim is to provide complete information from the development community in a concise, well-written, and objective manner." - For more information on LWN, see http://lwn.net/op/FAQ.lwn |
| 10:32.05 | nvz | dv_: that has no relevance to debian as it doesnt have xorg |
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| 10:32.12 | dv_ | oh |
| 10:32.15 | dv_ | hm |
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| 10:32.20 | greyson | (I was just about to guess that... :-p But a guess was all it would have been) |
| 10:32.23 | Teufel | anyone help me? I guess I didn't load lilo correctly on my install of debian, Im booted up with knoppix right now but when I try to run /sbin/lilo it tells me permission denied |
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| 10:32.42 | nse | Is there any app to check the integrity of a mounted filesystem? |
| 10:32.47 | liable | Teufel: remount it rw and run as root |
| 10:33.11 | cray3 | Teufel: u need to be root to do that |
| 10:33.41 | liable | Teufel: why did you use lilo anyway on a new install? (just out of interest.) |
| 10:33.45 | jm_ | dv_: well try doing it the XF86 way |
| 10:33.52 | Teufel | liable: how can I become root on hda1 from knoppix? su only gives me another normal prompt |
| 10:34.05 | jm_ | teun: type id after su |
| 10:34.07 | Teufel | liable: meh, I just want it to boot up right now |
| 10:34.09 | jm_ | Teufel ^^^^ |
| 10:34.19 | liable | Teufel: in knoppix there is a su konsole menu option. |
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| 10:34.40 | liable | Teufel: not in the main menu, one next to it iirc |
| 10:35.01 | dv_ | i dunno the XF86 way either |
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| 10:35.33 | mdh | dv_: in XFree86 you drop the themes into ~/.icons and edit ~/.icons/default/index.theme and tell it to inherit from the theme you wish to use |
| 10:35.52 | mdh | dv_: any new clients created after saving that file will automatically inherit the new theme |
| 10:36.37 | Teufel | jm_ the su id worked except for it's not taking my password |
| 10:36.43 | dv_ | and this works with colored themes? |
| 10:36.51 | jm_ | dv_: some googling would have helped you -- http://wiki2.archlinux.org/index.php/X11%20Cursors |
| 10:37.11 | dv_ | you looked for "xcursor"? |
| 10:37.14 | jm_ | Teufel: no, type su, then type id when you get the prompt |
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| 10:37.47 | dv_ | hm , I guess i used the wrong keyword |
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| 10:38.06 | Teufel | liable: I tried remounting it and nothing changed |
| 10:38.13 | Teufel | jm_ didn't work... still says authentication failure |
| 10:38.30 | nse | When Linus Torvalds could not take care of Linux anymore, who will be the one? |
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| 10:38.54 | mdh | nse: we were all betting on you |
| 10:39.05 | liable | Teufel: make a new directory, unmount it, mount it again using mount with the appropriate options |
| 10:39.17 | liable | Teufel: on the new directory |
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| 10:39.37 | jm_ | Teufel: wtf? it shouldn't even ask you for a password |
| 10:39.44 | plovs | anyone knows some tutorial on preseeding the debian-installer? |
| 10:40.46 | Teufel | jm_ I do a su root, it asks for password, I can su <other account> and get in there fine, but can't get to root |
| 10:41.13 | nse | mdh: good joke :) |
| 10:41.30 | plovs | Teufel, just su will do (or su -) |
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| 10:42.16 | Teufel | plovs: just did su - and still says permission denied to execute /sbin/lilo |
| 10:42.27 | TCW | Teufel, knoppix? |
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| 10:42.30 | jm_ | Teufel: did you chroot? |
| 10:42.39 | Teufel | tcw: yes |
| 10:42.53 | TCW | Teufel, a recent version? |
| 10:42.55 | Teufel | jm_ yes, in the beginning, I have Knoppix:/sbin# |
| 10:43.09 | jm_ | Teufel: beginning? |
| 10:43.16 | Teufel | jm_ like right after I mounted |
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| 10:43.28 | quuxman | oh boy I'm bad. I started a dist-upgrade and I'm about a gig out of date. Is there an easy way to download the required packages for an upgrade on a different machine? |
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| 10:43.35 | jm_ | Teufel: open a new terminal, run su in it, run chroot, then see what it says |
| 10:43.50 | quuxman | don't want to hog my home connection for a day |
| 10:43.55 | jm_ | quuxman: apt-get has --print-uris switch |
| 10:44.06 | quuxman | jm_: ah cool |
| 10:44.10 | crashbg | how can i use virtual interfaces like eth0:1 with iptables??? |
| 10:44.19 | Teufel | jm_ knoppix:/# |
| 10:44.38 | jm_ | Teufel: no need to paste this, try running lilo |
| 10:44.53 | TCW | jm_, what is he trying to do? |
| 10:44.59 | jm_ | TCW: reinstall lilo :) |
| 10:44.59 | plovs | Teufel, what does whoami say? |
| 10:45.01 | Teufel | jm_ permission denied |
| 10:45.10 | Teufel | plovs: root |
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| 10:45.13 | TCW | jm_, from knoppix within? |
| 10:45.18 | jm_ | TCW: indeed |
| 10:45.32 | TCW | jm_, did he chroot "correct"? |
| 10:45.35 | jm_ | streuner: was hast du gemacht? |
| 10:45.44 | jm_ | TCW: to be honest, I don't know what command he's using |
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| 10:45.53 | streuner | jm_: nothing :-) |
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| 10:46.02 | TCW | jm_, I'd say, there is just one correct command... :) |
| 10:46.08 | Teufel | jm_ here is what I've done .... su then chroot /mnt/hda1 |
| 10:46.15 | plovs | Teufel, does it say permission denied on lilo or on the drive you are trying to lilo? |
| 10:46.19 | sobersabre | anybody knows zx6000 ? |
| 10:46.26 | Teufel | plovs: on lilo |
| 10:46.42 | TCW | Teufel, you did miss the shell you'd like to run after the chroot |
| 10:46.43 | jm_ | maybe /dev/hda1 is mounted nodev? |
| 10:46.55 | plovs | Teufel, ls -l /sbin/lilo ? |
| 10:47.05 | jm_ | Teufel: umount it and mount it yourself using mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 or whatever the right partition is |
| 10:47.12 | sobersabre | hello. |
| 10:47.19 | quuxman | jm_: so if I just download all of those URIs and manually put them in /var/cache/apt/archives than apt should find them right? |
| 10:47.20 | Teufel | jm_ -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root |
| 10:47.23 | TCW | and of course... the filesystem (hda1?) needs to be mounted as "dev" |
| 10:47.24 | Teufel | jm_ 602 |
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| 10:47.41 | Teufel | tcw: what shell? |
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| 10:47.51 | jm_ | quuxman: yes, it should notice they are there, but you'll need to run apt-get update |
| 10:47.52 | bdoojin | hi |
| 10:47.52 | Teufel | how do I change it to dev? |
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| 10:47.57 | bdoojin | anyone knows how to detect rom files in gxmame? |
| 10:48.07 | quuxman | jm_: yeah, did that already |
| 10:48.09 | TCW | Teufel, that one you normally use? :) /bin/bash for example |
| 10:48.13 | quuxman | well, thanks all. Lat0r and 'night |
| 10:48.14 | jm_ | quuxman: then you should be all set |
| 10:48.16 | petemc | bdoojin: do you ever read documentation? |
| 10:48.16 | liable | bdoojin: ever heard of google? |
| 10:48.20 | streuner | Jun 22 12:44:13 -niven.freenode.net-*** Banned: proxyscan; Open Proxy found on your host. Please visit www.blitzed.org/proxy?ip=84.165.199.121 for more information. |
| 10:48.22 | bdoojin | jesus |
| 10:48.24 | bdoojin | I forgot google |
| 10:48.25 | sobersabre | i think i've fsked up EFI boot.. |
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| 10:48.31 | sobersabre | how can it be restored ? |
| 10:48.36 | streuner | Jun 22 12:44:13 -niven.freenode.net-*** Banned: proxyscan; Open Proxy found on your host. Please visit www.blitzed.org/proxy?ip=84.165.199.121 for more information. |
| 10:48.38 | sobersabre | ( machine won't boot ) |
| 10:48.49 | streuner | Jun 22 12:44:13 ---Closing Link: streuner_ (Banned) |
| 10:48.49 | streuner | Jun 22 12:44:13 ---Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). |
| 10:49.20 | Teufel | tcw: argh I'm sorry man, I just don't know what I need to do... |
| 10:49.26 | jm_ | streuner: dynamic IP? |
| 10:49.28 | streuner | jm_: i had to change IP in order to join #debian :-) |
| 10:49.30 | streuner | yes |
| 10:49.42 | jm_ | streuner: yeah, that can happen |
| 10:49.45 | liable | Teufel: unmount /dev/hda1 && mkdir /mnt/rescue && mount /dev/hda1 -o rw /mnt/rescue |
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| 10:50.12 | TCW | Teufel, man mount? :) mount -o remount,dev,rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1; chroot /mnt/hda1 /bin/bash; lilo -v |
| 10:50.19 | Teufel | liable: bash: unmount: command not found |
| 10:50.28 | jm_ | the command is umount |
| 10:50.31 | liable | Teufel: sorry umount |
| 10:50.43 | Teufel | ah |
| 10:50.57 | jm_ | that'll be one case of beer when you're done :P |
| 10:51.36 | Teufel | liable: mkdir: cannont create directory, read-only file system |
| 10:52.09 | jm_ | teun: create it in /tmp |
| 10:52.11 | jm_ | gah |
| 10:52.16 | TCW | Teufel, just use -o remount,dev,rw nothing more to do... |
| 10:52.16 | jm_ | Teufel that was for you |
| 10:52.33 | jm_ | teun: sorry |
| 10:52.38 | teun | np :) |
| 10:53.23 | Teufel | -o command not found... /sigh |
| 10:53.32 | jm_ | heh |
| 10:53.35 | liable | hehehe |
| 10:53.56 | jm_ | Teufel: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Rescue_FAQ |
| 10:54.22 | TCW | *sigh* |
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| 10:55.30 | kneet | laptop battery - never tried to monitor this before - is apm the right thing to be looking at? |
| 10:55.53 | jm_ | well ACPI can also be used, whichever works for you |
| 10:55.53 | Teufel | jm_ thanks, that link is like exactally what I needed |
| 10:55.58 | liable | kneet: how old is it? |
| 10:56.01 | TCW | kneet, depends... some laptops work beter with apm, some others with acpi |
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| 10:56.09 | TCW | better even |
| 10:56.17 | kneet | Lifebook e7010 - couple of years |
| 10:56.20 | liable | kneet: theres a few different apps for different wm's |
| 10:56.25 | amphi | Phated: you about? |
| 10:56.30 | kneet | liable, running e16 at the mo |
| 10:56.35 | multi_io | $ dpkg -L perl-doc |
| 10:56.35 | multi_io | Package `perl-doc' does not contain any files (!) |
| 10:56.35 | multi_io | $ |
| 10:56.36 | liable | kneet: apt-cache search battery |
| 10:56.46 | multi_io | I wonder how this could happen... |
| 10:56.59 | liable | kneet: oh, good luck then |
| 10:57.06 | kneet | sure - but the enlightenment app says "no battery" - so I wondered what was needed to get it to play :) |
| 10:57.32 | kneet | /proc/apm not found - apm=on at boot didn't help - so - I was wondering what my options were :) |
| 10:57.44 | kneet | I'll look at acpi - at least that's already present |
| 10:57.53 | jm_ | you may need to load some extra modules |
| 10:57.53 | amphi | kneet: you could try modprobe apm |
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| 10:58.04 | TCW | kneet, is apm enabled in the kernel? |
| 10:58.13 | Teufel | jm_ following the directions on that link, it now says : warning: /proc/partitions does not exist, disc scan bypassed, added linux *, skipping /vmlinuz.old" |
| 10:58.18 | Teufel | and stops |
| 10:58.25 | amphi | kneet: I'd be surprised if acpi worked well on a two year old box |
| 10:58.27 | kneet | From what I could see on the list it's compiled byt disabled - and apm=on should work - however - they were old mail messages |
| 10:58.28 | jm_ | ahh not with APM, it's not split like with ACPI it seems |
| 10:58.49 | jm_ | Teufel: ok, now exit the chroot shell and umount it |
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| 10:58.54 | liable | amphi: wtf it works flawlessly on my 3 year old thinkpad. |
| 10:59.10 | Teufel | jm_ k |
| 10:59.19 | remmy_ | when i run alsaconf it does not save the settings and i have to run it everytime i restart, can someone help me? |
| 10:59.26 | kneet | modprobe apm "FATAL: Error inserting apm" - no such device - hmm - lets take a look at acpi |
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| 10:59.29 | jm_ | remmy_: tried alsactl store? |
| 10:59.33 | Guevara | hola |
| 10:59.35 | amphi | liable: yeah? good for you - it hardly worked at all on my t22, works well on my t42 |
| 11:00.03 | remmy_ | jm_, guess i will now, thanks |
| 11:00.12 | liable | amphi: a bit of work involved admitedly. |
| 11:00.35 | amphi | kneet: FWIW, acpi=off on the kernel cmd line will enable apm if it's in the kernel |
| 11:00.45 | kneet | OK |
| 11:01.13 | kneet | I see some stuff under /proc/acpi - but nothing battery related (alarm, sleep, info, wakeup, event etc) |
| 11:01.25 | jm_ | load ACPI battery module |
| 11:01.26 | liable | kneet: if you are going to try apm, make sure you disable/remove acpid |
| 11:01.29 | Teufel | jm_ I guess I don't understand what dev does... or what that is even... |
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| 11:01.50 | jm_ | Teufel: don't worry about that now, it's described in man mount |
| 11:01.55 | Teufel | jm_ liable TCW ok got it working, thanks |
| 11:02.04 | Guevara | alguien que sepa hablar español, para echar una chalita |
| 11:02.07 | kneet | Given that acpi appears to be present - but not apm - I'll try acpi first (can always try apm later) |
| 11:02.12 | liable | !es |
| 11:02.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:02.23 | amphi | kneet: acpi is broken into various modules - try modprobing processor, battery, ac, fan, button |
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| 11:02.49 | kneet | modprobe battery appears to have loaded :) |
| 11:02.57 | Klea | hello |
| 11:03.01 | jm_ | now look at /proc/acpi/battery |
| 11:03.02 | TCW | Teufel, how? :) |
| 11:03.10 | liable | kneet: some laptops have weird batteries too, that seem to have problems with acpi. google yours to see i spose |
| 11:03.24 | kneet | two dirs - CMB1 and CMB2 under /proc/acpi/battery |
| 11:03.40 | remmy_ | how can i view my windows partition? |
| 11:03.51 | liable | remmy_: mount it. |
| 11:04.18 | kneet | Batt monitor works now - thanks folks |
| 11:04.32 | remmy_ | liable, how? i havent had to mount anything in debian yet |
| 11:04.47 | Teufel | tcw: with the link jm_ gave me , it was like two commands I had to put in then a reboot =/ |
| 11:05.00 | liable | !tell remmy_ about vfatrw |
| 11:05.07 | remmy_ | liable, maybe i'll search google =P |
| 11:05.17 | TCW | Teufel, I'd liked to hear the exact commands... but... anyway, have a nice day :) |
| 11:05.24 | Klea | Hi i use Linux Knoppix, and i have 128 MB RAM, but he talk that i have only 86 MB RAM. What can I do? |
| 11:05.27 | Teufel | liable: you were saying something earlier about lilo... is grub a better boot loader? |
| 11:05.42 | Klea | Sorry i'm don't speak englisch very well |
| 11:05.53 | jm_ | Klea: try #knoppix |
| 11:06.05 | xsdg | Klea: you might try memtest86 |
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| 11:06.15 | Klea | okay thank you |
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| 11:06.21 | xsdg | Klea: http://www.memtest.org/ |
| 11:06.22 | Teufel | tcw: mount -o dev /mnt/hda1 and chroot /mnt/hda1/sbin/ and lilo so I guess three commands =P |
| 11:06.50 | Teufel | %t |
| 11:06.53 | liable | Teufel: well, its all subjective, but its newer and smarter (so they say) |
| 11:07.19 | jm_ | it's not as new as people think it is ;) |
| 11:07.30 | Teufel | is there an easy way to print whoever's name is selected from the channle list or do you guys just type it out every time? |
| 11:07.52 | liable | jm_: compaired to lilo? |
| 11:07.54 | Jhair | TAB |
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| 11:08.42 | Teufel | thes |
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| 11:09.24 | liable | compared |
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| 11:09.35 | liable | !dict compared |
| 11:09.37 | dpkg | Dictionary 'compared' (3 of 9): Syn: To Compare, Compare with, Compare to. ;; To compare great things with small. --Milton. ;; 2. To represent as similar, for the purpose of illustration; to liken.. |
| 11:09.58 | liable | good, thats how its spelt :P |
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| 11:10.20 | jm_ | liable: GRUB development started in 1995 so I suppose it still is much newer than lilo |
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| 11:11.36 | liable | jm_: hmm, didnt know it was quite that old. |
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| 11:13.00 | liable | jm_: easier to manage/rescue anyway I think (from a 'less things you need to do') perspective |
| 11:13.10 | jm_ | liable: indeed |
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| 11:13.28 | bdoojin | jesus christ |
| 11:13.32 | bdoojin | I'm out of patience |
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| 11:14.10 | bdoojin | someone tell me how to make gxmame find any rom |
| 11:14.18 | bdoojin | I set proper directories |
| 11:14.40 | Om | What's the easiest way to get the memory useage of a running process, in human readable format? :) |
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| 11:15.00 | liable | Om: top |
| 11:15.04 | Om | ps something | grep name? |
| 11:15.21 | jm_ | yes, ps is fine |
| 11:15.43 | bdoojin | I'm out of patience |
| 11:15.45 | Om | liable, how can I make top show my process? It's not using much mem or cpu, so it's not shown :) |
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| 11:16.16 | liable | Om: then yes, ps aux|grep |
| 11:16.21 | liable | foo |
| 11:16.22 | cci | Hello; I have a problem after Sarge installation on Sony Vaio T2XP. Can't have full screen display (black side bands). Any hint? |
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| 11:16.48 | Om | oliver 11083 0.0 0.1 2744 432 pts/1 S+ Jun08 0:08 ./bot <--- is 2744 the mem useage? :) |
| 11:17.01 | bdoojin | damn it |
| 11:17.10 | bdoojin | I placed all .zip rom files in proper directory |
| 11:17.52 | liable | Om: no 0.1 |
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| 11:18.09 | Om | 0.1 kb? :) |
| 11:18.10 | Noid | legality issue question: packages to read dvds are legal? |
| 11:18.10 | sep | cci: lcd screen ? lcd's often have black bands if you use a smaller resolution then what they are designed for |
| 11:18.16 | PeTeRB | Om: 0.1% |
| 11:18.22 | Om | Ah |
| 11:18.28 | jm_ | Noid: yes, ls can read it and it's legal ;) |
| 11:18.30 | amphi | Om: try top -bn1 | grep <prog_name> |
| 11:18.34 | liable | Om: USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND |
| 11:18.44 | Noid | jm_: come on, you know what i mean d-: |
| 11:19.26 | jm_ | Noid: it's illegal in most of the countries I suppose |
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| 11:19.56 | Om | Okey, thanks everyone :) |
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| 11:20.37 | Noid | jm_: i thought so, so you'd have to (hipothetically speaking) buy some licensed software to play them, right? |
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| 11:21.35 | jm_ | Noid: yup |
| 11:22.06 | Noid | jm_: ok thanks, gonna google about this a bit to see what else i find out |
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| 11:22.31 | liable | yes like the shitty players they have on dvd's that wont even work in linux (thank god) |
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| 11:22.37 | joris | anyone into ucarp? Sometimes both my daemons think the preffered master is online (there is no preffered master defined), and both enter backup mode |
| 11:23.08 | kbrooks | Is it 11:22 EDT? |
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| 11:23.49 | cci | LCD, but with the max possible resolution (1280x768). |
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| 11:24.30 | ColonelKernel | whats the command to use for adding/removing services to the runlevel? |
| 11:24.35 | remmy_ | hmm how do i mount my c drive? |
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| 11:24.54 | PeTeRB | ColonelKernel: update-rc.d |
| 11:25.18 | ColonelKernel | PeTeRB, thanks |
| 11:25.20 | liable | remmy_: what does fdisk -l say it is, i'm guessing hda1? |
| 11:25.35 | liable | remmy_: man mount |
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| 11:25.57 | remmy_ | liable i have hda1 2 and 3 |
| 11:26.21 | liable | remmy_: which is vfat or ntfs? |
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| 11:26.31 | remmy_ | liable, 1 |
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| 11:26.43 | liable | remmy_: vfat or ntfs |
| 11:27.03 | remmy_ | liable, HPFS/NTFS |
| 11:27.10 | liable | !tell remmy_ about vfatrw |
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| 11:27.29 | liable | remmy_: man mount |
| 11:27.52 | remmy_ | liable, its ntfs not fat32, those are correct directions? |
| 11:28.01 | PeTeRB | remmy_: Did you read it? |
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| 11:28.21 | liable | remmy_: read the last sentence |
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| 11:28.41 | liable | remmy_: but better to use -o ro |
| 11:28.51 | remmy_ | oo ok, just wondering |
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| 11:29.33 | sam_ | wich debian package i need for xmms to read .ogg files? |
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| 11:29.41 | liable | !tell remmy_ about read-ntfs |
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| 11:30.30 | dondelelcaro | sam_: libogg0 (>= 1.1.2), libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.1.0) |
| 11:30.45 | dondelelcaro | sam_: hint: the Recommends: are there for a reason. If you don't know better, you probably should be installing them. |
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| 11:32.00 | bdoojin | I'm likely to die |
| 11:32.10 | bdoojin | because gxmame doesn't find any rom |
| 11:32.13 | bdoojin | jesus |
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| 11:32.35 | sep | bdoojin: could you please die quietly ? |
| 11:32.50 | bdoojin | no |
| 11:32.53 | bdoojin | I don't want to die |
| 11:33.02 | znh | hmz.. I've apt-get'd all the fgrlx packages, ran fglrxconfig but X is still using Mesa it seems to |
| 11:33.28 | chealer | bdoojin: try complaining to #god |
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| 11:33.43 | liable | hehe |
| 11:34.17 | sep | znh: your followin the instructions on dpkg's ati drivers ? |
| 11:34.18 | liable | bdoojin: your god is google, complain to it. |
| 11:34.30 | jim | bdoojin: mame is a -game-... did you know that while characters in video games get killed, it usually doesn't kill the actual player? |
| 11:34.34 | znh | sep: there weren't any instructions - ? |
| 11:34.43 | sep | !tell znh about ati drivers |
| 11:34.52 | moe_ | i have installed firefox and when firefox loads i have told it to become default but when i click links in amsn or by K - Run it still loads mozilla how do i get firefox default browser? thanks |
| 11:34.56 | sep | znh: do you notice the url ? |
| 11:35.25 | znh | sep: ok |
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| 11:35.44 | chealer | moe_: I think it's update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 11:36.01 | moe_ | thx i'll have a look |
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| 11:36.53 | liable | I have to say, Kaiser_showers is the best #debianite for telling us what he/she does, just by /nick :P |
| 11:37.07 | chealer | BTW what's K-Run? |
| 11:37.09 | Kaiser_showers | lol. he |
| 11:37.13 | joris | a female showering nick, hmmm |
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| 11:38.45 | moe_ | chealer, after running that i told it to use 4 /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox but when i K run a link still starts mozilla mozilla-firefox has a star and is set as default |
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| 11:39.36 | chealer | moe_: what was it before you changed it? and what does "K run" mean? |
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| 11:39.52 | moe_ | Click on K (kde) Run Command |
| 11:39.55 | liable | kde run i think |
| 11:39.59 | moe_ | the menu |
| 11:40.20 | moe_ | it was /usr/bin/mozilla |
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| 11:41.53 | remmy_ | when i run k3b it says theres no mime types installed |
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| 11:43.02 | chealer | moe_: I don't know, I'd try restarting KDE |
| 11:43.23 | moe_ | ok |
| 11:43.32 | moe_ | bbl |
| 11:45.00 | liable | remmy_: install some? apt-get search mime? or as a last resort *gasp* google :P |
| 11:45.18 | jim | !listkeys etch |
| 11:45.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'etch' by key (15): etch security ;; exim+fetchmail ;; quick etch/sid mix ;; etch ;; fetchmailconf ;; etch bet ;; fetchamil ;; bletch ;; rice'n'peas'n'turkey'n'ketchup ;; etchasketch ;; sarge->etch ;; fetchmail ;; etch pool 1 ;; etch pool ;; fetchmailrc. |
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| 11:48.32 | liable | !rice'n'peas'n'turkey'n'ketchup |
| 11:48.33 | dpkg | Yummm.. whatever'sinthefridge-feast-o-rama! |
| 11:48.54 | liable | sheesh |
| 11:48.59 | kneet | Isn't the etchasketch fact out of date? |
| 11:49.23 | petemc | its just plain wrong |
| 11:49.25 | liable | what a fucking stupid factoid |
| 11:49.38 | asg | liable: most of them are |
| 11:49.44 | paulswm | !fatcinfo rice'n'peas'n'turkey'n'ketchup |
| 11:49.48 | jim | dunno... I'm looking for whether theres a 2.6.11 etch installer |
| 11:49.49 | paulswm | !factinfo rice'n'peas'n'turkey'n'ketchup |
| 11:49.49 | dpkg | rice'n'peas'n'turkey'n'ketchup -- created by sussudio <Suss@d511329d.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Wed Sep 4 08:45:33 2002 (1022 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by liable, 1m 17s ago. |
| 11:49.56 | asg | that's not surprising |
| 11:50.07 | paulswm | Well that's hardly a shock |
| 11:50.11 | paulswm | Heh, asg |
| 11:50.11 | liable | haha |
| 11:51.01 | beardy | !factinfo etchasketch |
| 11:51.01 | dpkg | etchasketch -- created by xSDG <xsdg@1Cust172.tnt7.richmond.va.da.uu.net> at Sat Jul 15 02:34:09 2000 (1803 days); last modified at Fri Sep 29 05:44:19 2000 by psycho!andy@pm615-17.dialip.mich.net; it has been requested 13 times, last by beardy, 1m 41s ago. |
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| 11:51.10 | beardy | quite old |
| 11:51.33 | kneet | Just that it talked about etchasketch being the release after woody :) |
| 11:51.45 | jim | can you mount --bind from fstab? |
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| 11:52.13 | jim | it IS after woody! |
| 11:52.17 | jim | long after... |
| 11:52.20 | beardy | Yeah.. |
| 11:52.49 | kneet | jim - pedantic |
| 11:53.01 | jim | antipedantic :P |
| 11:53.30 | jim | pedantic would be saying the factoid was wrong :P |
| 11:53.32 | beardy | That's not pedantic, it's just true. |
| 11:54.03 | js | jim: yes you can |
| 11:54.14 | deckrider | hi, I've been using clamav as part of procmail and it gives me lots of warnings from cron about being out of date (debian/sarge). I'm sure this must be a faq....is there some common way of handling this? |
| 11:54.15 | jim | js: how how? :) |
| 11:54.32 | js | jim: just add bind as an option |
| 11:54.38 | petemc | deckrider: it gives a url in the warnings |
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| 11:54.59 | petemc | DON'T PANIC! Read http://www.clamav.net/faq.html |
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| 11:55.12 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 11:55.20 | lkthomas | can I use my HD without using a filesystem on it ? |
| 11:55.36 | jim | so /dir/to/mount /mount/point none rw,bind 0 0 |
| 11:55.37 | liable | what |
| 11:55.43 | jim | like that? |
| 11:55.45 | kbrooks | uh |
| 11:55.52 | beardy | lkthomas: How, do you mean? What are you going to to with it if you don't have any filesystem on it? |
| 11:55.52 | amphi | lkthomas: as a paperweight? ;) |
| 11:56.10 | kbrooks | lkthomas: nop |
| 11:56.11 | kbrooks | e |
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| 11:57.07 | deckrider | petemc: right....but I was hoping to stay with debian/sarge |
| 11:57.21 | raf256 | hi fellow debian users \o/ |
| 11:57.32 | asg | kbrooks: he could dd data around on it but what would be the point |
| 11:57.33 | liable | lkthomas: please explain your thinking/logic (or maybe not) |
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| 11:57.48 | deckrider | petemc: ah.....now I see |
| 11:57.55 | lkthomas | liable: do you know how is a tape drive works ? |
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| 11:58.10 | liable | lkthomas: no |
| 11:58.13 | petemc | deckrider: you may need to backport clamav, thems the brakes |
| 11:58.21 | lkthomas | liable: you are not the right guy to talk to then |
| 11:58.34 | deckrider | petemc: I must have been to that page a hundred times....but now I see the "deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile sarge/volatile main" |
| 11:58.36 | jm_ | tape is a character device, not a block device |
| 11:58.37 | liable | lkthomas: but wtf has that to do with your first question |
| 11:58.51 | jim | lkthomas: tape is on reels... usually in a cassette form these days... turning one pulls the tape thru... |
| 11:58.53 | liable | lkthomas: agreed |
| 11:59.12 | umbop | hey guys, i'm just looking for a bit of advice, if you had a windows dns server running at the moment, would it be easy enough to convert it to unix and run named on there for internal lookups |
| 11:59.25 | lkthomas | jim: tape have a drive node, can I do the same with HDD ? |
| 11:59.33 | deckrider | petemc: had to click through to the binary packages page....anyway, thanks |
| 11:59.44 | jim | tape is not block device at all. |
| 11:59.45 | asg | umbop: is your windows dns server just doing dns or is it also doing AD type stuff? |
| 11:59.47 | umbop | or would you say named was more for big dns i.e. ISP based etc, as appose really corporate |
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| 11:59.56 | jim | tape is char streaming device |
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| 12:00.03 | jim | serial |
| 12:00.03 | umbop | asg: at the moment it is just dns, the AD stuff will be implemented on the two domain controllers |
| 12:00.08 | lkthomas | jim: tape does not rely on FS |
| 12:00.13 | jm_ | umbop: you coul duse dnsmasq as a simple and easy to setup option |
| 12:00.16 | jim | not at all |
| 12:00.17 | lkthomas | jim: I need my HD have no FS at all |
| 12:00.18 | asg | umbop: then you can easily use bind or tinydns for that on Unix |
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| 12:00.40 | jim | not sure what you're saying |
| 12:00.53 | asg | umbop: however, much of AD's functionality is integrated with DNS TXT records, etc, so you are probably better of sticking with it internally. |
| 12:01.03 | jim | you can write "the quick brown fox" onto the tape, backspace it and read it back |
| 12:01.06 | BlakeOPS | Do I need all 14 CDs to install Debian? |
| 12:01.11 | asg | BlakeOPS: no |
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| 12:01.16 | liable | jesus no |
| 12:01.19 | BlakeOPS | How many do I need |
| 12:01.21 | jim | you need 0 cds to install debian |
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| 12:01.29 | asg | BlakeOPS: non, if you have a floppy drive or usb key |
| 12:01.29 | amphi | heh |
| 12:01.30 | jim | 2 floppies is ok |
| 12:01.36 | umbop | hmm i don't know much about AD other than the fact that it is based on x500 |
| 12:01.36 | BlakeOPS | I want to use CD-ROM |
| 12:01.39 | liable | errr, 1 is nice |
| 12:01.42 | umbop | i know ldap |
| 12:01.45 | stew | BlakeOPS: 1 cd is enough or a netinst /msg dpkg netinst |
| 12:01.51 | liable | !d-i BlakeOPS |
| 12:01.52 | lkthomas | jim: I just don't want FS on my HD |
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| 12:01.52 | dpkg | BlakeOPS, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:02.03 | lkthomas | jim: because I am planning to transfer from unix to linux |
| 12:02.09 | asg | umbop: use Unix based DNS on the perimeter, AD internally if you are a windows shop. |
| 12:02.15 | lkthomas | jim: but I don't have tape drive |
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| 12:02.22 | chealer | dpkg: no, webbrowsers in debian is <gui>Firefox, Mozilla [Navigator], Galeon, Epiphany, Konqueror, Chimera2, Dillo</gui><console>Lynx,Links,W3m</console> |
| 12:02.22 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 12:02.23 | jim | lkthomas: umm, I don't understand what you're after |
| 12:02.26 | asg | umbop: Unix boxes can easily work with AD using samba and pam (ldap or kerberos) |
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| 12:02.31 | lkthomas | jim: come on |
| 12:02.32 | BlakeOPS | Thanks guys |
| 12:02.40 | amphi | lkthomas: so don't - you can access the raw device via /dev/hda, hdb or whatever |
| 12:02.41 | lkthomas | jim: nevermind, you never know how is a tape drive working |
| 12:02.52 | lkthomas | amphi: yeah, possible ? |
| 12:02.57 | amphi | possible |
| 12:03.00 | lkthomas | amphi: so RAW access is possible, hmm |
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| 12:03.06 | ethics | directhex|work, just building 2.6.12 was heaps of new k8 things in the menu config so it appears all your support should be there....ich-m also look in but untested atm on my lappy |
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| 12:03.19 | lkthomas | amphi: I have to remember the tar file name or I wouldn't be able to find it out , right ? |
| 12:03.20 | jim | lkthomas: go back to the beginning. explain what is your -actual goal-. what EXACTLY do you want to accomplish? |
| 12:03.30 | jm_ | I am always amazed at the confidence some people have telling others they don't know things |
| 12:03.30 | directhex|work | ethics, that's good to know, as i said before i can wait for a kernel-image |
| 12:03.31 | lkthomas | jim: amphi already understand it |
| 12:03.44 | directhex|work | ethics, i just wish i could use vesafb on my new machine :/ |
| 12:03.48 | ethics | directhex|work, np just confirming it 8) |
| 12:04.07 | jim | I don't see how... you failed to communicate it |
| 12:04.09 | chealer | directhex|work: something was fixed in 2.6.12? |
| 12:04.28 | ethics | directhex|work, there was a new vesa thing in there too cant remember exact but it sain new 8) |
| 12:04.33 | amphi | jim: seems like he wants to dd to the raw device or summat |
| 12:04.39 | lkthomas | jim: tape driver is accessing RAW mode |
| 12:04.49 | directhex|work | chealer, hardware support didn't stop at 2.6.8 |
| 12:04.50 | lkthomas | jim: my question is, is it possible to use HD on RAW mode |
| 12:05.00 | kbrooks | uh |
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| 12:05.09 | jim | it's still going to be blocks |
| 12:05.14 | kbrooks | what are ch |
| 12:05.18 | kbrooks | er |
| 12:05.20 | kbrooks | what are ch |
| 12:05.21 | lkthomas | jim: yeah, but would it works ? |
| 12:05.21 | jim | the filesystem will be written onto those blocks |
| 12:05.21 | kbrooks | gr |
| 12:05.26 | jim | yes |
| 12:05.27 | kbrooks | what are char |
| 12:05.28 | kbrooks | a |
| 12:05.32 | chealer | directhex|work: ah, what does your new machine have? |
| 12:05.33 | lkthomas | jim: I don't want FS |
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| 12:05.40 | lkthomas | jim: as most of FS are OS dependent |
| 12:05.41 | jim | but that's what you have |
| 12:05.48 | ethics | chealer lots of new support for things...heaps of amd64 changes i saw in changelog while skimming for what i wanted |
| 12:05.53 | liable | kbrooks: keyboard problems? |
| 12:05.59 | kbrooks | yes |
| 12:06.03 | jim | so you want to write to the device like it was a tape |
| 12:06.05 | liable | heh |
| 12:06.06 | directhex|work | chealer, 3800+ athlon 64 (venice core), and geforce 6800 gt pci express |
| 12:06.08 | lkthomas | jim: yep |
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| 12:06.34 | jm_ | ohh 6800GT, both are kinda too expensive for me ;( |
| 12:06.36 | kbrooks | *-/ |
| 12:06.36 | kbrooks | [5~[P |
| 12:06.36 | kbrooks | [24~[2~[P |
| 12:06.37 | jim | what os are you using now and what filesystems are available to you? |
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| 12:06.47 | kbrooks | fuck.. |
| 12:06.48 | chealer | directhex|work: ok, what wasn't supported in 2.6.8? |
| 12:06.49 | kbrooks | sorry |
| 12:06.52 | liable | the keyboard is connected to the braino |
| 12:06.53 | jim | you are looking to save your data, is that correct? |
| 12:06.58 | lkthomas | jim: yep |
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| 12:07.03 | lkthomas | jim: but I don't have tape drive |
| 12:07.08 | jim | (pulling teeth...) |
| 12:07.14 | lkthomas | jim: I could buy two 300GB HD for backup |
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| 12:07.31 | kbrooks | yay |
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| 12:07.36 | kbrooks | it works |
| 12:07.37 | jim | not a great backup device... |
| 12:07.39 | adn | hello here! |
| 12:07.57 | jim | it would work, but there are fast-spinning moving parts |
| 12:08.02 | directhex|work | chealer, CPU frequency scaling isn't in 2.6.11 or below, nor is vesafb support for pci express cards. those are the annoyances for me on that machine |
| 12:08.09 | jim | the data wouldn't last like a tape would, as far as I know' |
| 12:08.13 | jim | how much data? |
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| 12:08.30 | kbrooks | liable: no, its connected to the case |
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| 12:08.31 | liable | lkthomas: so, you are telling us we dont know about tape drives, and you do, *but* you dont have one? hmmm |
| 12:08.36 | lkthomas | jim: no, just a small period of time |
| 12:08.41 | adn | I am trying to write in arabic with gnome |
| 12:08.48 | lkthomas | liable: do you understand the node tar ? |
| 12:08.50 | adn | it used to work with gnome 2.8 |
| 12:08.55 | kbrooks | i replugged the keyboard in |
| 12:08.58 | adn | but it doesn't work any more with 2.10 |
| 12:08.59 | jim | it should work, but the problem will be, where is the end of each write? |
| 12:09.03 | lkthomas | liable: I think you should look into it before discuss :) |
| 12:09.07 | kbrooks | and it works |
| 12:09.10 | chealer | directhex|work: oh, PCI express...sorry, I truncated that part. so that's a laptop, right? |
| 12:09.12 | lkthomas | jim: what do you mean ? |
| 12:09.20 | jim | look at what st0 and nst0 does |
| 12:09.22 | adn | does anyone have an idea? |
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| 12:09.45 | lkthomas | jim: so RAW mode don't know where is the end ? |
| 12:09.51 | jim | maybe |
| 12:10.01 | lkthomas | jim: so do I have to end it on my own ? |
| 12:10.04 | directhex|work | chealer, um... no |
| 12:10.15 | lkthomas | jim: block device = RAW mode, is that correct ? |
| 12:10.24 | jim | see tho, there's got to be a better way |
| 12:10.37 | lkthomas | jim: huh ? |
| 12:10.44 | amphi | lkthomas: no, block device as opposed to char device |
| 12:10.44 | directhex|work | chealer, http://apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section=three&browse=//New%20PC%20bits |
| 12:11.07 | chealer | directhex|work: what's CPU frequency scaling for? saving on energy bill? |
| 12:11.10 | jim | lkthomas: what file system type are you now using? |
| 12:11.16 | sep | lkthomas: this sounds mostly just silly, why dont you want to use a filesystem ? any livecd out there should be able to read your ext2/3 filesystem anyway, so you dont have to worry about that |
| 12:11.31 | directhex|work | chealer, and, in this heat, trying to keep temperatures sane when all i'm doing is chatting on IRC |
| 12:11.31 | lkthomas | Sep: I am not using ext |
| 12:11.43 | lkthomas | jim: hmmm, reiser4 ? |
| 12:11.50 | jim | sep: he's thinking portability across very different unixes |
| 12:12.01 | jim | lkthomas: and on your unix? |
| 12:12.08 | lkthomas | jim: FFS ? |
| 12:12.14 | lkthomas | or UFS |
| 12:12.16 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 12:12.36 | jim | here's the thing I'm thinking... what if your linux could mount ffs |
| 12:12.39 | chealer | directhex|work: woho, that looks pretty clean |
| 12:12.49 | lkthomas | jim: but not other way around |
| 12:13.01 | jim | which way do you want to go? :) |
| 12:13.01 | lkthomas | jim: I might exchange file from both os |
| 12:13.03 | chealer | directhex|work: ok, I see. I assume you do windows-based development? |
| 12:13.06 | lkthomas | jim: both, LOL |
| 12:13.13 | lkthomas | jim: unix don't like linux FS |
| 12:13.20 | directhex|work | chealer, no, it's mostly a games machine |
| 12:13.21 | lkthomas | actually, they hated it :) |
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| 12:13.37 | jim | ok, then you have special machine that runs linux and can mount both filesystems |
| 12:13.45 | sep | lkthomas: a 8+3 tarfile on a pure fat filesystem ? should be read/writeable on most |
| 12:13.51 | chealer | directhex|work: but why does it have XP Pro *and* Home? |
| 12:14.02 | jim | advantages: less -weird- :) |
| 12:14.02 | lkthomas | sep: nah, fat is crazy |
| 12:14.10 | lkthomas | sep: fs easy to damage |
| 12:14.22 | jim | if you do fat, you might as well write a tarball to the fat |
| 12:14.36 | jim | and that will slow you down |
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| 12:14.42 | lkthomas | but, I am talking about 400GB data |
| 12:14.47 | lkthomas | pretty worrying on dat |
| 12:14.48 | lkthomas | fat |
| 12:14.52 | jim | yes |
| 12:15.03 | jim | you;re right about that part |
| 12:15.15 | lkthomas | jim: getting headache with fs |
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| 12:15.33 | jim | and writing a tarball to anything will slow you down |
| 12:15.49 | directhex|work | chealer, one of them is xp x64 edition, for my own playing about |
| 12:15.50 | lkthomas | I don't mind, but the problem is fat ... |
| 12:15.57 | lkthomas | fat is not a good fs for storage |
| 12:16.10 | greycat | depends on what you're storing |
| 12:16.15 | jim | too bad microsoft doesn't know that :P |
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| 12:16.23 | chealer | directhex|work: oh, I think I'm losing my brain increasingly fast |
| 12:16.25 | sep | lkthomas: if all you have on it is 1 tar file then i dont see the big problem. |
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| 12:16.53 | lkthomas | Sep: do remember fat have size limiation |
| 12:16.59 | chealer | directhex|work: anyway, you machine pass the test...you can send it to me when you're done with it :-P |
| 12:17.08 | chealer | directhex|work: whatever kernel it will have ;) |
| 12:17.20 | sep | lkthomas: dont know the limitation of fat32 |
| 12:17.35 | lkthomas | sep: fat32 is worse to read/write on *nix |
| 12:18.20 | sep | lkthomas: use nfs then, should work on most *nix and save you the disks |
| 12:19.05 | jim | lkthomas: if you could have a machine that could mount (say) both reiser (watch out for reiser! reiser3 has many -total- data loss stories! unrecoverable.) and this ffs, then you move the drives themselves to this machine, do transfers, and go from there |
| 12:19.06 | lkthomas | NTFS even more worse |
| 12:19.32 | lkthomas | jim: errr.. |
| 12:19.44 | jim | ntfs is unknown. only way linux even knows anything: reverse engineering. |
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| 12:20.22 | jim | lkthomas: the slow part would be the hardware shifts... then you could transfer directly |
| 12:20.22 | lkthomas | jim: I did a damage on ntfs because I enable writing before |
| 12:20.29 | adn | good day |
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| 12:20.31 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 12:20.33 | umbop | hmm does spamasssasin send out quarentine reports? |
| 12:20.42 | lkthomas | umbop: no |
| 12:20.58 | umbop | hmm |
| 12:21.02 | lkthomas | umbop: try to google it, you might found some perl script do that for you |
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| 12:21.13 | umbop | yeh was going to say is there a patch or something |
| 12:21.28 | lkthomas | umbop: not patch, but a perl script :) |
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| 12:21.52 | lkthomas | jim: haha, I am still thinking a solution for universal readable/writable method for HD |
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| 12:22.36 | jim | lkthomas: it wouldn't be very universal... if you write more than one thing to it, then you -are- defining a file system |
| 12:22.53 | kbrooks | ummm |
| 12:22.59 | sep | lkthomas: dd if=/home/tar.gz of=/dev/hda , take a note of the amount of blocks, then do it backwards adding count=blocks to the command. |
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| 12:23.27 | lkthomas | Sep: hmm |
| 12:23.37 | kbrooks | jim: care to give me a complete review of lkthomas's problem? |
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| 12:23.46 | kbrooks | jim: it seems to be........ |
| 12:23.54 | kbrooks | confusing |
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| 12:24.19 | jim | kbrooks: wants to transfer files between unix and linux... I'm getting ready to suggest NFS, but he has a lot of data |
| 12:24.22 | lkthomas | Sep: so for example, dd completed from 1 to 10, next one should be count=11 ? |
| 12:24.33 | kbrooks | jim: yeah too much |
| 12:24.33 | directhex|work | XFS! |
| 12:24.36 | directhex|work | JFS! |
| 12:24.43 | kbrooks | directhex|work: dude |
| 12:24.43 | directhex|work | that's two unixes that matter covered |
| 12:24.44 | umbop | LNS! |
| 12:24.45 | jm_ | no, you would use seek and skip for that |
| 12:24.47 | lkthomas | directhex|work: shutup |
| 12:24.56 | lkthomas | directhex|work: unix wouldn't real JFS |
| 12:24.59 | lkthomas | read |
| 12:25.10 | kbrooks | lkthomas: be nice and say nice things.....before |
| 12:25.14 | kbrooks | 'shutup' |
| 12:25.15 | jim | but unix will read nfs |
| 12:25.21 | lkthomas | nfs :) |
| 12:25.35 | lkthomas | jim: but NFS is network layer |
| 12:25.35 | kbrooks | network file system |
| 12:25.37 | jim | slow, but viable |
| 12:25.51 | sep | lkthomas: next one ? i woudnt bet on that for more then 1 file, you'd need the count for when you dd back from the disk, to know when to stop |
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| 12:26.03 | jim | maybe better to implement ssh on both machines |
| 12:26.11 | lkthomas | OH, Sep |
| 12:26.11 | jim | or rsync |
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| 12:26.28 | sep | i assume he dont have network between them or he woudnt be asking this |
| 12:26.31 | lkthomas | sep: you means that, you are using dd to write the file into HD, then DD it out ?! |
| 12:26.35 | lkthomas | sep is right |
| 12:26.50 | kbrooks | yeah |
| 12:26.59 | jim | sep: also, it's probably too slow for how much data it is |
| 12:27.08 | sep | lkthomas: basicaly yes you dont have a filesystem so you just put the file on the disk directly. it's insance but ... nice :) |
| 12:27.12 | kbrooks | jim: could have suggested NFS |
| 12:27.13 | lkthomas | jim: for DD ? |
| 12:27.19 | kbrooks | first |
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| 12:27.29 | jim | unless it doesn't have to be transfered all at once |
| 12:27.38 | lkthomas | sep: haha, missing one block, the whole file is dead :) |
| 12:27.39 | kbrooks | eh? |
| 12:27.46 | kbrooks | "all at once" |
| 12:27.48 | jim | see, we still don't have a complete picture of the app |
| 12:27.54 | sep | lkthomas: exactly, but that's just like a tape |
| 12:27.57 | spdf | Does anyone remember a codewars type game, pretty sure it was gtk, and you coded tanks that shot blobs and such? |
| 12:28.04 | jim | kbrooks: 3-400 gb in one go |
| 12:28.12 | lkthomas | sep: tape drive itself done the block allocation :) |
| 12:28.17 | spdf | Cannot remember for the life of me what it was... it was around when Woody was released.. |
| 12:28.23 | kbrooks | heh |
| 12:28.24 | lkthomas | but now, I need to allocate myself, LOL |
| 12:28.29 | jm_ | spdf: not bzflag? |
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| 12:28.41 | kbrooks | spdf: search for it |
| 12:29.02 | sep | lkthomas: i'd cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda first to zero out the drive, that way it's easier to see here your data stops and your zeeroed drive begins |
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| 12:29.42 | kbrooks | r |
| 12:29.56 | jim | mmm... ugly chars... |
| 12:30.13 | jim | they look like funny dice things |
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| 12:30.36 | subvertir | they look better on WEEEED |
| 12:30.51 | jim | but I wouldn't feel better on it |
| 12:30.53 | lkthomas | sep: wait, why should I zero my HD ? |
| 12:31.02 | greyson | oops. |
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| 12:31.28 | lkthomas | sep: hmm |
| 12:31.35 | jim | lkthomas: do you see that you are now defining a file system? |
| 12:31.38 | lkthomas | sep: zero a 300GB drive takes forever, LOL |
| 12:31.43 | lkthomas | jim: LOL :) |
| 12:31.49 | jim | so does writing to it |
| 12:31.57 | jim | well |
| 12:32.01 | sep | lkthomas: about as long as dd ing data onto it i'd bet |
| 12:32.01 | lkthomas | jim: isn't RAW mode are faster ? |
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| 12:32.03 | jim | writing 300gb to it |
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| 12:33.21 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 12:33.22 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 12:33.33 | lkthomas | but without a fs, it should be fast enought |
| 12:33.45 | jim | not by much, but probably |
| 12:33.58 | lkthomas | plain writing is faster on my concept |
| 12:34.00 | jim | if you're writing -one- thing to the drive |
| 12:34.09 | lkthomas | "one" thing ? |
| 12:34.19 | jim | one "file" |
| 12:34.23 | lkthomas | ahha, yes |
| 12:34.29 | lkthomas | I should make it one file |
| 12:34.35 | lkthomas | make it less trouble |
| 12:34.55 | lkthomas | haha, learn new things everyday |
| 12:35.00 | kbrooks | wait wait |
| 12:35.04 | kbrooks | might i translate |
| 12:35.07 | lkthomas | ? |
| 12:35.07 | kbrooks | one file? |
| 12:35.08 | jim | then to apply the filesystem of the source and destination, you write and subsequently read a tar file |
| 12:35.18 | kbrooks | :| |
| 12:35.22 | kbrooks | ONE FILE? |
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| 12:35.31 | kbrooks | did you say one file? |
| 12:35.33 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 12:35.40 | lkthomas | kbrooks: one tar file man |
| 12:35.42 | jim | kbrooks: it's not even a file by most definitions |
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| 12:36.02 | lkthomas | actually, it's an image when you are using DD |
| 12:36.17 | kbrooks | lkthomas: please say dd, in lowercase |
| 12:36.18 | jim | well, the image is a known size... |
| 12:36.21 | lkthomas | heh |
| 12:36.48 | lkthomas | jim: after you write into HD, you will know the exact size for that image :) |
| 12:36.50 | thebug | if I'm picking a kernel-image for an x86 machine, is chosing the 'kernel-image-2.6-686-smp' going to keep me more up to date than chosing 'k-i-kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp' ? |
| 12:36.53 | jim | your tar file will either undershoot or (bad! bad!) overshoot the end of the drive |
| 12:37.12 | lkthomas | jim: what do you mean by overshoot ? |
| 12:37.24 | jim | say the tar file is too large for the drive |
| 12:37.33 | lkthomas | nah, what a dumb things to do :) |
| 12:37.43 | jim | how will you know? |
| 12:37.45 | lkthomas | calculation should be done before dd |
| 12:37.57 | lkthomas | you know how much data are you going to put in |
| 12:38.05 | jim | will your calculation take the tar format into account? |
| 12:38.07 | lkthomas | and then, using block calculation |
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| 12:38.25 | lkthomas | jim: I don't think overhead would be take a lot of space |
| 12:38.45 | lkthomas | jim: of course, I will perpare a bigger space for it |
| 12:38.57 | jim | but if you do not account for it, you leave yourself open to a very serious edge case that won't work. |
| 12:39.01 | lkthomas | I am going to backup 120 and 160G HD, I should buy two 300GB HD for that |
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| 12:39.57 | jim | why not buy a backup program and a cd burner, or a tape drive? |
| 12:40.09 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.14 | jim | wait, I know the answer: you don't need reliability |
| 12:40.21 | Mage\work | tape sucks |
| 12:40.23 | kbrooks | then you would NOT HAVE TO COME HERE! |
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| 12:40.45 | thebug | Mage\work: DLT definitely does not suck ... DDS on the other hand is textbook definition of 'suck' -and- 'unreliable' |
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| 12:41.21 | jim | lkthomas: your idea isn't necessarily bad... but some pieces of it are... |
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| 12:41.29 | lkthomas | jim: yeah |
| 12:41.31 | Mage\work | I prefer hard disk |
| 12:41.42 | lkthomas | jim: tapedrive are too expensive |
| 12:41.52 | Mage\work | and media too |
| 12:41.52 | jim | Mage\work: that's not a reliable media for backup purposes. |
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| 12:42.05 | Mage\work | jim: more reliable than tapes ... |
| 12:42.11 | jharrisonwk | well process accounting does not seem to work the way I expected |
| 12:42.12 | lkthomas | I am considering to buy a LTO 1 tape drive |
| 12:42.29 | lkthomas | Mage\work: depends on what tape are you talking about |
| 12:42.44 | lkthomas | Mage\work: LTO are very good tho |
| 12:42.49 | lkthomas | 100/200GB |
| 12:42.55 | lkthomas | native and compressed size |
| 12:43.00 | Mage\work | here we've a sony 50g/100g |
| 12:43.07 | lkthomas | Mage\work: how is it |
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| 12:44.00 | lkthomas | sony is not a good brand on tape scene :) |
| 12:44.10 | lkthomas | it should be IBM, Dell, HP, Sun...etc |
| 12:44.16 | jim | s/on tape scene// |
| 12:44.26 | thebug | well, since apparently no one wants to share anything about 2.6 kernel packages, I guess I'm off |
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| 12:44.44 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 12:44.51 | Mage\work | kernel-image sucks |
| 12:45.01 | lkthomas | Mage\work: what is not sucks for you dude |
| 12:45.11 | jharrisonwk | everythign sucks |
| 12:45.11 | Mage\work | >:o |
| 12:45.15 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 12:45.34 | thebug | kernel-image works fine, lay off it |
| 12:45.34 | jim | thebug: looks to me like you've never mentioned 2.6, at least not in the past half hour or so |
| 12:45.34 | sep | lkthomas: the dd trick to the disk works, i have just tested it on a spare drive |
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| 12:45.57 | lkthomas | Sep: is it ?! hmm |
| 12:46.00 | Mage\work | a kernel for me needs to be compiled. |
| 12:46.03 | jim | sep: but you get same filesystem |
| 12:46.03 | thebug | jim: 08:36 < thebug> if I'm picking a kernel-image for an x86 machine, is chosing the 'kernel-image-2.6-686-smp' going to keep me more up to date than chosing 'k-i-kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp' ? |
| 12:46.06 | lkthomas | Sep: could you tell me the full command on your drive please ? |
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| 12:46.15 | sep | lkthomas: and if you dd too much data back from the disk, that is not a problem since dd just say trailing garbage ignored |
| 12:46.15 | lkthomas | Sep: I want to see the example of it :) |
| 12:46.16 | thebug | that certainly looks like less than 10 minutes ago |
| 12:46.18 | fas3r | hi all |
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| 12:47.18 | jim | you want to be kept more uptodate on a kernel? |
| 12:47.20 | lkthomas | sep: hello ? |
| 12:47.21 | jharrisonwk | kernel-image sucks |
| 12:47.21 | thebug | jim: I'm just trying to figure out which kernel to move to from 2.4.18-882828 or whatever I had on a machine from a potato -> woody -> sarge upgrade |
| 12:47.22 | sep | tar -czvf /tmp/test.tar.gz /home/sep gave a tarfile on /tmp |
| 12:47.24 | jim | are you sure? |
| 12:47.42 | jim | go with the 2.6.8 to start with |
| 12:47.46 | lkthomas | Sep: OK, then ? |
| 12:47.46 | sep | dd if=/tmp/test.tar.gz of=/dev/hda gave 628+1 records in and 628+1 records out |
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| 12:47.51 | thebug | jim: it's a server, so I don't want bleeding edge ricer kernels, just stable, security patched ones |
| 12:47.51 | spdf | Gah. Stupid auto away.. my badness.. |
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| 12:48.12 | lkthomas | sep: OK, how could you dd it out then |
| 12:48.23 | jharrisonwk | Mage\work: howdy in #debian |
| 12:48.24 | sep | then you just dd if=/dev/hda of=/tmp/test2.tar.gz count=628, gave you a new tarfile on /tmps, and that you can extract with tar-xzvf test2.tar.gz |
| 12:48.36 | lkthomas | LOL, nicely done, sep |
| 12:48.53 | lkthomas | Thanks for the experiment, so that test tar file is working fine when you untar it ? |
| 12:49.06 | sep | it untared successfully |
| 12:49.14 | lkthomas | LOL, nice :) |
| 12:49.22 | jim | lkthomas: but here's the thing... is it ok to actually -store- that tarball? |
| 12:49.23 | lkthomas | have to try that, hehe |
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| 12:49.36 | lkthomas | jim: no other choice |
| 12:49.36 | thebug | jim: so you'd recommend 2.6.8 for this ... what does the straight kernel-image-2.6 get me (as opposed to a specific 2.6.8 version)? |
| 12:49.49 | jim | dunno. |
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| 12:49.58 | jharrisonwk | certainly the dd command straight to tar does not work |
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| 12:49.59 | sep | lkthomas: but you must increse count by 1 compared to your dd into the drive or you get unexpected end of file |
| 12:50.08 | lkthomas | jharrisonwk: huh ? |
| 12:50.12 | jim | I'd prefer to be in control over what kernel I was running... |
| 12:50.26 | jharrisonwk | does dd understand tar and compression? |
| 12:50.28 | lkthomas | sep: so it should be count=629 in your case ? |
| 12:50.33 | sep | lkthomas: if you increase by 1 you get the data discarded, but i assume that is becosue the tar file dont end on a block |
| 12:50.35 | lkthomas | jharrisonwk: LOL!? |
| 12:50.36 | jim | I build my own kernels, almost exclusively |
| 12:50.38 | sep | lkthomas: correcty |
| 12:50.43 | jharrisonwk | !lol |
| 12:50.43 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
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| 12:51.02 | lkthomas | sep: hmm, but how come you are using count=628 ? |
| 12:51.03 | sep | lkthomas: i think you can add a 'pad with zero' argument to dd, to make it fit a block, |
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| 12:51.12 | lkthomas | jharrisonwk: you need to understand the application layers |
| 12:51.18 | sep | lkthomas: i tried with both, |
| 12:51.25 | jharrisonwk | lkthomas: well excuse me |
| 12:51.29 | sepen | hi! anyone know what package contains libfmod-3.33.so ? |
| 12:51.33 | lkthomas | jharrisonwk: tar is higher than filesystem, dd is lower than filesystem |
| 12:51.33 | jharrisonwk | lkthomas: ill run off and read about the application layers then |
| 12:51.39 | jim | lkthomas: if you're storing the tarball anyway, it would make sense to get the unix and linux to have a filesystem type to agree upon |
| 12:51.41 | zulkifar | Sorry for offtopic, already asked on #iptables & #netfilter (to be cont) |
| 12:51.42 | jharrisonwk | lkthomas: oh my I was not aware of that |
| 12:51.43 | zulkifar | Hi. I have two NICs: eth0 connected to LAN and eth1 connected to Internet. Traffic from LAN to net is SNATted in iptables but this actually doesn't work: icmp pings from server to an internet host go fine, but pings from LAN to that host don't return... What should I check? |
| 12:51.47 | zulkifar | Additional question: when I tcpdump outer eth1 interface I do see there icmp packets from _local_ stations, i.e. with addresses like: 192.168.7.4 -> some.inet.host.com. Does it mean that my iptables configuration is bad or this is just a kind of side-effect of capturing? |
| 12:52.03 | lkthomas | sep: so which one is working ? 628 or 629 ? |
| 12:52.09 | sep | you can dd to tar if you use dd if=/dev/hda | tar -xzvf - |
| 12:52.19 | sep | 629 |
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| 12:52.43 | sepen | what package contains libfmod-3.33.so ? |
| 12:52.45 | jim | you should bs=512 or something like that |
| 12:52.55 | greycat | sepen: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:53.04 | sepen | greycat: ok |
| 12:53.05 | lkthomas | jim: why bs=512 should be include ? |
| 12:53.21 | sep | lkthomas: as jim say bs would increase performance of the command probably dramaticaly |
| 12:53.26 | jim | lkthomas: to make sure your count is counting blocks |
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| 12:53.34 | lkthomas | jim: during writing or reading ? |
| 12:53.36 | thebug | greycat: did you catch my kernel-image question just a couple of minutes ago? |
| 12:53.42 | jim | well both |
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| 12:53.44 | sep | lkthomas: both, and they have to be identical |
| 12:54.04 | lkthomas | sep: OK, so dd out should be +1, and bs=512 should be include on R/W |
| 12:54.12 | jim | but then setting it to 512 bytes is one block, you might want more than that... |
| 12:54.29 | lkthomas | heh ? |
| 12:54.33 | lkthomas | because of large file size ? |
| 12:54.37 | sciboy | Hello, i watch a dvd, either in VLC or Mplayer, and when it hits a damaged part (eg. scratched) it slows my entire computer to a crawl. |
| 12:54.40 | jim | 20 blocks sounds better, because that's what tar normally uses |
| 12:54.50 | migma | how do I get gnome-display-properties to display a 1024x768 option? |
| 12:54.56 | lkthomas | 20blocks = how many bs= ? |
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| 12:55.08 | jim | 10kbytes |
| 12:55.10 | sciboy | migma: Wouldn |
| 12:55.14 | lkthomas | jim: 10k, hmm |
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| 12:55.18 | directhex|work | migma, configure xfree86 properly |
| 12:55.21 | sciboy | migma: Wouldn't it have to do with your XF86Config-4? |
| 12:55.26 | lkthomas | so bs=10000 |
| 12:55.32 | jim | no |
| 12:55.41 | jim | bs=10k |
| 12:55.46 | lkthomas | ok, nice, hmm |
| 12:55.52 | jim | 10000 is slightly too small |
| 12:55.55 | lkthomas | jim: I start to understand how to plan a filesystem :) |
| 12:56.10 | sciboy | So yeah, computer comes to a crawl when i watch a dvd with a scratch on it. =/ |
| 12:56.11 | lkthomas | heh |
| 12:56.20 | sep | lkthomas: this is _not_ a filesystem it's just data across a drive |
| 12:56.23 | jim | I think you shouldn't do that if you don't have the time |
| 12:56.30 | lkthomas | heh, jim |
| 12:56.32 | migma | directhex|work, whenever I reconfigure xf using xf86config, gnome stops at the splash screen after GDM |
| 12:56.33 | lkthomas | just kidding :) |
| 12:57.05 | jim | anyway the value is 512 * 20 |
| 12:57.12 | lkthomas | hmmm, ok jim |
| 12:57.23 | jim | 0r 10240 bytes |
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| 12:57.34 | sep | lkthomas: as just as with tapes, this have none of the security of a filesystem. in other words, if there is write errors you woudnt be notified about it, you woudnt get fsck errors, nothing. its up to you to verify your data |
| 12:57.37 | lkthomas | right on, Thanks sep and jim for your info |
| 12:57.55 | directhex|work | migma, you shouldn't be using xf86config though |
| 12:58.00 | jim | and it's really because tar likes to use that size |
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| 12:58.22 | jim | and because using just one sector size would hamper performance |
| 12:58.39 | migma | directhex|work, oh, what should I use to reconfigure then? |
| 12:58.40 | lkthomas | sep: hmm, I shoud do md5sum before and after |
| 12:58.46 | directhex|work | !drxx migma |
| 12:58.47 | dpkg | migma: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 12:58.56 | directhex|work | !tell migma about x md5sum |
| 12:59.18 | jim | lkthomas: how will you know, using your filesystem, how large the tarball is? |
| 12:59.31 | migma | thanks :) |
| 12:59.50 | sep | lkthomas: you woudnt see the data corruption before you try to untar, what you should do is verify your archive by testing it |
| 12:59.55 | jim | wait, actually you can know, because by default they're always multiples of 10240 bytes |
| 12:59.58 | migma | will try that |
| 13:00.34 | lkthomas | jim: LOL, 120G at least |
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| 13:02.37 | ColonelKernel | ok went to debian on the server |
| 13:02.48 | jim | you'd be -much- better off if they had a two-port hardware raid array |
| 13:02.49 | kbrooks | heh |
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| 13:03.18 | sciboy | Ah shit. |
| 13:03.24 | jim | then you could get 5 120s instead of 2 300s |
| 13:03.25 | sciboy | Computer went to a crawl again =/ |
| 13:03.34 | kezzlock | hi! |
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| 13:04.40 | darkness1 | Hi, i'm upgrading to sarge right now and the config is asking for my video card i have. Well i have a nvidea one yet it's not listed? |
| 13:04.53 | drac | darkness1: "nv" |
| 13:05.09 | darkness1 | Cheers |
| 13:05.13 | migma | darkness1, use nv |
| 13:05.30 | directhex|work | assuming it's not a 6000 series or 7000 series |
| 13:05.36 | darkness1 | Okay thanks all |
| 13:05.39 | directhex|work | !sarge hardware support |
| 13:05.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 13:06.04 | directhex|work | dpkg, sarge hardware support =~ s/6-series/6-series or 7-series/ |
| 13:06.05 | dpkg | OK, directhex|work |
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| 13:06.23 | raf256 | can I mount given partition into meany directories (like 50) in order to allow mean chrooted servers, programs, or virtual-servers to share same global directory? /srv/www/chroot1/lib chroot2/lib ...etc, all pointing to same partition and this parttion will be available from each chroot, rigth? |
| 13:06.43 | raf256 | or should I perhaps use hardlinking? |
| 13:07.07 | jm_ | 2.6 kernels support mount --bind |
| 13:07.10 | sep | raf256: or loopbackmounts |
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| 13:07.38 | raf256 | sep: this is easy and stable solution? better then multiply mounts? |
| 13:08.21 | sep | raf256: look at what jm_ wrote |
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| 13:08.59 | simonrvn | fstab accepts 'bind' as an option, FYI |
| 13:09.21 | karl | Can anyone explain ? I create a script with uid bit set and owned by root The script is echo 1 > /tmp/1 Why root is not the owner of /tmp/1 ? |
| 13:09.39 | darkness1 | Mmm, a uk ms keyboard, what that be a pc4? |
| 13:09.57 | jm_ | karl: suid bit doesn't work on shell scripts |
| 13:10.55 | karl | jm_: thanks |
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| 13:11.21 | darkness1 | Sorry pc104? |
| 13:11.50 | raf256 | jm_: ok |
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| 13:12.43 | drac | darkness1: yep |
| 13:13.22 | drac | darkness1: If that's xserver-xfree86 configuration, and you mess it up and X won't start you can allways 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' again. |
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| 13:14.17 | phaedrus_ | ello |
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| 13:14.36 | phaedrus_ | any one want to guide me through installing this wireless card? |
| 13:14.54 | amphi | phaedrus_: which one? |
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| 13:16.14 | darkness1 | Sorry about all this. I have a ps/2 mouse so will that = /dev/psaux ? |
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| 13:16.38 | aep | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.40 | spdf | darkness1, /dev/input/mice |
| 13:17.01 | darkness1 | Tks again :-) |
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| 13:19.41 | Romar | I have an smal problem, i have installed bittorrent via apt, but i cant find the prog anywhere, i cant run it from an terminal or something like that, what to do? |
| 13:19.52 | greycat | Romar: dpkg -L bittorrent | grep bin |
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| 13:20.02 | directhex|work | btdownloadcurses isn't it? |
| 13:20.07 | greycat | !using bittorrent |
| 13:20.08 | dpkg | apt-get install bittorrent; cd /somewhere/big; btdownloadcurses _URL_ |
| 13:20.22 | greycat | actually I should update that. I know more now than I did back then. |
| 13:20.38 | directhex|work | so now it't btdownloadcurses.bittornado ? |
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| 13:21.03 | Romar | will try that when I move to my debiancomputer again |
| 13:21.07 | Romar | thanks : ) |
| 13:21.10 | wintix | where do i have to put *.ttf-font to be able to use them systemwide? |
| 13:21.33 | greycat | dpkg, using bittorrent =~ s/btdownloadcurses _URL_/wget _torrentURL_; btlaunchmanycurses ./ |
| 13:21.37 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 13:23.22 | greycat | or if you prefer, you can apt-get install bittornado; the command names are the same (via alternatives) |
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| 13:24.54 | jm_ | wintix: font path |
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| 13:27.01 | wintix | jm_: so /usr/share/fonts ? |
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| 13:27.30 | jm_ | wintix: is that in your font path? |
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| 13:27.50 | darkness1 | Okay, my upgrade from woody to sarge as come up with an error. Errors were encountered while processing -gs-common, gs-fonts E: sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code 1. |
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| 13:28.07 | darkness1 | Now it's returned back to the prompt. |
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| 13:28.49 | jm_ | wintix: the easiest thing is to rely on fontconfig, but that doesn't work for all apps |
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| 13:33.03 | gudi | hi |
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| 13:33.22 | kezzlock | gudi: hi |
| 13:33.35 | gudi | anyone knows howto tell debconf to not ask the debconf questions again when build my own package ? |
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| 13:34.52 | jm_ | gudi: do you remove the package? |
| 13:35.05 | thomerz | hi, is there a tool to configure the resolution etc for a monitor on a notebook? |
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| 13:35.29 | gudi | jm_, no i just want to not ask the qustions again when i install a new verson of the deb |
| 13:35.44 | jm_ | gudi: are the answers still in debconf's DB? |
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| 13:36.30 | jm_ | and is debconf configured as to not ask for old questions? |
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| 13:38.16 | henk | I've install geo IPfree perl module but it seems to be very wrong. The accuracy should be much higher, could it be that i need to update the databse somehow? does anyone know how to do this? |
| 13:38.41 | gudi | jm_, debconf-get-selections still have this entries.. how can i check for the confi of debconf ? |
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| 13:40.06 | andy__ | Hi every one i have a problem with my sound blaster audigy running under ubuntou there is no sound any advice ? |
| 13:40.09 | F-Lelo | hi... How can I add something to known_hosts with scp when I already have a key-auth based sshd running? |
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| 13:40.40 | jm_ | gudi: hmm it looks like this is no longer asked in Sarge, maybe it's a priority setting then |
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| 13:40.47 | jethro | F-Lelo: could you rephrase this? |
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| 13:40.57 | F-Lelo | hmm ok |
| 13:41.07 | aurax_ | can anyone help me with something |
| 13:41.13 | gudi | jm_, what for a prio i have to set to not get asked twice ? i use high in my config file |
| 13:41.15 | aurax_ | im trying to add new JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java to /etc/profile |
| 13:41.18 | aurax_ | but nothing happends |
| 13:41.31 | aurax_ | still can't find java |
| 13:41.33 | bob2 | andy__: this is #debian |
| 13:41.36 | bob2 | andy__: go to #ubuntu |
| 13:41.49 | andy__ | i am in ubuntu and no one will help me |
| 13:42.01 | jm_ | gudi: tried doing dpkg-reconfigure debconf and changing priority to low? |
| 13:42.02 | bob2 | that's a shame, but unrelated to Debian |
| 13:42.04 | gudi | aurax, did you a ". .profile" after you add it |
| 13:42.07 | andy__ | and i thought since ubuntu is debian based this was the next step |
| 13:42.09 | Alexxxx | is it a good idea to install knoppix to my hard drive? or is it better to get the full version of debian |
| 13:42.21 | bob2 | andy__: no, sorry |
| 13:42.22 | jethro | !ubuntusmite andy__ |
| 13:42.33 | gudi | jm_, why should i set the prio to low if i don't want to get asked again |
| 13:42.53 | F-Lelo | I have a ssh that auths by key, not by password ; I need to add a key to a new user, but he can't login because he has no key yet... from what I heard, to pass the key, he has to use scp... so how do I proceed to add his key? |
| 13:42.55 | jm_ | gudi: ahh wait, I thought you want to be asked again ;) |
| 13:43.01 | andy__ | god jethro arent u clever nobhead |
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| 13:43.23 | gudi | jm_, no i don't want to be asked ;-) |
| 13:43.24 | Alexxxx | ? |
| 13:43.42 | jethro | F-Lelo: you upload the key to the remote system with an account being able to login |
| 13:43.56 | aurax_ | gudi, no it says in the guide i'm using to /etc/prof |
| 13:43.58 | aurax_ | profile * |
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| 13:44.06 | F-Lelo | jethro: yes, I used scp to upload it to mine account |
| 13:44.11 | jm_ | gudi: I remember it asked you about this during dpkg-reconfigure debconf - I still have the setting in debconf's DBdebconf/showold (set to false, but I have set it to true previously) |
| 13:44.14 | F-Lelo | and now, how do I add it to the known_hosts? just cat > ? |
| 13:44.16 | jethro | F-Lelo: then you put place it in ~luser/.ssh/authorized_keys, and chown -R luser:luser ~luser |
| 13:44.24 | jethro | F-Lelo: you don't add to known_hosts |
| 13:44.38 | aurax_ | gudi, you have any idea how to add JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java for example ? |
| 13:44.42 | aurax_ | where to add it acctualy |
| 13:44.47 | jm_ | gudi: debconf (1.3.11) unstable; urgency=low Removed the showold question, and all showold support except what's necessary for dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 13:44.50 | F-Lelo | sorry, I had mistaken for now only hehehe |
| 13:44.56 | F-Lelo | jethro: ok, let me try it :) |
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| 13:45.13 | jethro | F-Lelo: the default place for public keys is authorized_keys. known_hosts has a list of all keys from hosts you already know |
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| 13:45.45 | jethro | F-Lelo: ie: authorized_keys has user public keys, and known_hosts has systems public keys |
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| 13:46.15 | F-Lelo | jethro: I knew that, just made a mistake while typing :) |
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| 13:46.39 | jethro | F-Lelo: alrigh. |
| 13:47.08 | tarzeau | jethro, takatumi, jharrisonwk, paulswm: i've got new fantastic levels for #bub-n-bros , 3 level packas with each about 100 levels... http://bub-n-bros.sf.net tonight? |
| 13:47.22 | F-Lelo | jethro: it worked, thanks :) |
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| 13:48.40 | jethro | F-Lelo: you're welcome |
| 13:49.06 | jethro | tarzeau: not for me. I'll be celebrating my birthday for a week every night :) |
| 13:49.32 | F-Lelo | jethro: when is your birthday? :) |
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| 13:50.23 | jethro | F-Lelo: on the 25th |
| 13:52.46 | takatumi | tarzeau: 16:52 here, what time? |
| 13:52.49 | F-Lelo | jethro: mine is 27th :) |
| 13:52.53 | jethro | F-Lelo: heh |
| 13:52.55 | F-Lelo | jethro: happy bday |
| 13:52.56 | F-Lelo | :) |
| 13:53.06 | jethro | F-Lelo: thank you, happy birthday to you |
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| 13:53.12 | F-Lelo | thank you too :) |
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| 13:53.51 | jim | how is it possible to do the equivalent of (say) mount --bind /existing/place /mount/point in the fstab? |
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| 13:54.09 | jim | I read man 5 fstab several times; not there |
| 13:54.29 | zignig | bleh! |
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| 13:54.33 | sdschulze | Hi, I'm trying to install sarge with via hd-media and network, but the dialog asks me for an ISO image. I do not find this documented anywhere. |
| 13:55.01 | sdschulze | (5.1.2. Booting from Linux Using LILO or GRUB) |
| 13:55.27 | tarzeau | takatumi: too earyl |
| 13:55.36 | tarzeau | takatumi: let's do it in 1 hour |
| 13:55.59 | kevin_ | I am a new Debian user and got a few questions, like I am reading the sound hot to's and am really confused. When I type in what they say to, I get the good old no such file or directory, or I try to use VI and it comes up with a blank screen |
| 13:56.01 | takatumi | tarzeau: okey dokey. |
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| 13:56.29 | dataw0lf | kevin_: awesome description of your problem. |
| 13:56.35 | dataw0lf | here's how to fix |
| 13:56.41 | jim | kevin_: what dey say? wut yue type? |
| 13:56.45 | dataw0lf | 1) go to oven |
| 13:56.47 | kevin_ | yes |
| 13:56.48 | dataw0lf | 2) insert head |
| 13:56.52 | tarzeau | ever wanted to try TEH OPENSTEP 4.2? FREE IAMGES HERE: ftp://ftp.sunwizard.net/pub/MiscOS/NeXT/OpenStep/ |
| 13:56.54 | kevin_ | double checked |
| 13:56.57 | mic | hahaha |
| 13:57.11 | takatumi | tarzeau: how many users do you currently have? |
| 13:57.19 | kevin_ | lol |
| 13:57.25 | greycat | tarzeau: ftp? that's *so* 1980. |
| 13:57.25 | jim | kevin_: what dey say? wut yue type? |
| 13:57.28 | tarzeau | takatumi: no idea. i'll take the bus down teh city early -- too hot to play |
| 13:57.35 | tarzeau | greycat: hehe, so is OPENSTEP :) |
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| 13:57.44 | zignig | greycat: you want a soap interface? |
| 13:57.44 | dataw0lf | he's got you there. |
| 13:57.50 | tarzeau | but hey! BZ2! so modern crap |
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| 13:58.00 | takatumi | tarzeau: no, no, I meant for OPENSTEP/GNUStep? |
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| 13:58.10 | kevin_ | I am trying to setup my sound on my IBM 760 XL which is supposed to be soundblaster 64 AWE and that is what I get |
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| 13:58.12 | jim | we have must know or how to we make help goodly yue? |
| 13:58.22 | tralala | kevin_: don't paste |
| 13:58.30 | tralala | !tell kevin_ -about alsa |
| 13:58.43 | kevin_ | what about it? |
| 13:58.47 | tarzeau | takatumi: it's not my server. found it by accident. i'd get it , as long as it's available :) |
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| 13:58.55 | jim | kevin_: what dey say? wut yue type? |
| 13:58.57 | tarzeau | takatumi: for my gnustep live cd, there's plenty. |
| 13:58.57 | kevin_ | I haven't been pasting |
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| 13:59.06 | kevin_ | yes it is |
| 13:59.07 | greycat | kevin_: so you installed sarge. and sound didn't work. did you read the FAQ? the release notes? the install guide? |
| 13:59.11 | jethro | tarzeau: is there bubnbros on the gnustep livecd? |
| 13:59.13 | greycat | or are you not even *running* sarge? |
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| 13:59.23 | tarzeau | jethro: on the next one. FOR SURE, YOU BET! |
| 13:59.23 | greycat | have you given us ANY details other than the model of the laptop? |
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| 13:59.31 | linlin_ | Hi, I was installing some stuff using apt, and i messed up most of the configuration files for the porgram i was messing with. I did apt-get remove <app> then tried to install it again but hte files are still gone. How do i tell apt-get to get everything it did the first time? |
| 13:59.43 | kevin_ | I get confused with it all, I am new to Linux period and it really confuses me |
| 13:59.46 | jmazaredo | is there an example on rsync to samba mounted? |
| 13:59.51 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 13:59.52 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 14:00.00 | greycat | jim: I doubt he's capable of typing /msg in the right window. |
| 14:00.13 | dataw0lf | kevin_: there's a certain intelligence level required to use Linux. |
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| 14:00.44 | zignig | dataw0lf: otherwise they use OS X ? |
| 14:00.45 | sep | jmazaredo: rsync to samba mounted ?? if you mean rsync toa mounted samba, then that's just like a local rsync ie rsync /from /to |
| 14:00.54 | kevin_ | and I uses suse 9.2 pro on my desktop pc and have had no problems but this is kinda wierd to me |
| 14:01.10 | dataw0lf | zignig: exactly. |
| 14:01.15 | jim | kevin_: you've consistantly failed to be specific about what they said to type and what you typed |
| 14:01.18 | tralala | kevin_: so why didn't you stay with suse? Why did you decide to move to debian? |
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| 14:01.27 | tarzeau | that's some great os warez: ftp://ftp.sunwizard.net/pub/MiscOS/ |
| 14:01.46 | kevin_ | I am using Debian on a little lapptp that suse won't run on properly |
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| 14:02.05 | scarynetworkguy | !tell kevin_ aobut smart questions |
| 14:02.05 | jim | kevin_: would you start being specific PLEASE |
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| 14:02.38 | christor | Hello |
| 14:02.48 | kevin_ | ok, I will just sit back and read, that's how I learn most of what I do anyhow |
| 14:02.48 | christor | Hello |
| 14:02.51 | jim | never mind, I'm not gonna do this now |
| 14:02.52 | tralala | kevin_: you'll have to find out how to ask specific questions if you want to have good answers |
| 14:03.14 | christor | I m searching a doc in order to create a mirror debian on my machine, someone knows a good link? |
| 14:03.37 | amphi | kevin_: what laptop, btw? |
| 14:03.48 | sep | christor: mirror as in a compleate mirror, (use apt-mirror) or just to cache packages you install on many (apt-proxy) |
| 14:03.55 | kevin_ | it is an IBM 760 XL |
| 14:04.01 | green_earz | christor: is it raid1 howto ?? |
| 14:04.01 | jim | kevin_: summary: I asked you 7 times to tell what the doc asked you to type, and you ignored every time... are you a troll? |
| 14:04.05 | kevin_ | p1 p133 eith 48 MB RAM |
| 14:04.26 | cusco | lol |
| 14:04.27 | kevin_ | sorry jim it was scrolling quite quickly here |
| 14:04.31 | dataw0lf | lmao |
| 14:04.42 | green_earz | christor: sorry |
| 14:04.44 | christor | sep: I would like to get all packages for my distrib |
| 14:04.44 | jim | I'm asking because I truely don't know |
| 14:04.50 | amphi | kevin_: http://www.grnet.com/sc/linux/tp760xl/ |
| 14:04.51 | hid3_ | Could anyone tell me please what options should I compile into my kernel to use 'shaper' package? |
| 14:04.57 | christor | green_earz: don t worry |
| 14:05.01 | amphi | kevin_: that might be of use |
| 14:05.02 | Gooser_ | lol |
| 14:05.08 | sep | !tell christor abotu apt-mirror |
| 14:05.14 | christor | sep: it is necessary to use rsync? |
| 14:05.18 | kevin_ | looking now amphi |
| 14:05.22 | sep | !tell christor about apt-mirror |
| 14:05.47 | jim | kevin_: make window taller :P |
| 14:06.01 | amphi | kevin_: actually, it seems a bit out of date - you could perhaps update it when yr struggles are over ;) |
| 14:06.03 | sep | christor: go here http://apt-mirror.sf.net i think dpkg is slwo |
| 14:06.11 | dataw0lf | hid3_: it's in the README.Debian |
| 14:06.15 | christor | sep: Yes I have understand , I am lookking on google about apt-mirror |
| 14:06.15 | kevin_ | it is maximized here will only do 800x 600 |
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| 14:06.23 | hid3_ | dataw0lf: Thanks |
| 14:06.44 | green_earz | hid3_: they are all ready in the standard kernel. use modconf to track them down |
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| 14:07.06 | hid3_ | green_earz: I use self-compiled kernel, so I didn't compile much modules.. |
| 14:07.13 | jim | kevin_, ok. what did the docs tell you to type that you say didn't work?? |
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| 14:08.04 | dataw0lf | hid3_: /usr/share/doc/shaper/README.Debian, all the options are right there. |
| 14:08.12 | jim | allrightey then :) |
| 14:08.13 | kevin_ | it will take me a min to type it in |
| 14:08.17 | hid3_ | I found them, thanks :) |
| 14:08.28 | dataw0lf | hid3_: and be sure to read up on the iproute kernel specific stuff. |
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| 14:09.07 | cla | Which is recommended to use with sarge: apache or apache2? |
| 14:09.12 | jim | dataw0lf: did you get that package from the shaper image catalog? |
| 14:09.17 | kevin_ | ohhhhhhhh now I see what the prob is, I do not know how to create the /etc/isapnp.conf file |
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| 14:09.31 | kevin_ | that's how new I am |
| 14:09.43 | dataw0lf | jim: ah, jea, along with my neato strobe light. |
| 14:09.55 | dataw0lf | *oomf* *oomf* *oomf* |
| 14:09.59 | jim | ok, np, is your sound card an isa device? |
| 14:10.08 | geek | how do i ask apt to find the package a certain file is in ? |
| 14:10.13 | kevin_ | no, it is built into the laptop |
| 14:10.21 | sep | cla: depends on your needs |
| 14:10.33 | PeTeRB | geek: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:10.44 | jim | how old is the laptop... it might not have any isa devices |
| 14:10.46 | geek | PeTeRB thx |
| 14:10.52 | cla | It's a production server. I need stability, php and SSL. |
| 14:10.55 | kevin_ | it is a p1 133 |
| 14:10.59 | cla | That's about it. |
| 14:11.06 | jim | ohh, that's old |
| 14:11.07 | kevin_ | with 48 mb ram |
| 14:11.10 | jharrisonwk | aptitude install stability |
| 14:11.10 | jim | try this: |
| 14:11.13 | cla | Is one more supported than the other? |
| 14:11.15 | migma | why doesn't fdisk -l output anything? |
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| 14:11.19 | jim | pnpdump | less |
| 14:11.51 | PeTeRB | migma: Not root? |
| 14:12.10 | jim | are you looking at text when you do that, that you can scroll thru? |
| 14:12.20 | kevin_ | jim: command not found under root |
| 14:12.23 | migma | no, i'm logged in a su account |
| 14:12.38 | jim | kevin_: type: which less |
| 14:12.46 | jim | then type: which pnpdump |
| 14:12.51 | migma | weird |
| 14:13.00 | jim | either give a result? |
| 14:13.08 | migma | brb |
| 14:13.45 | kevin_ | neither did anything but bring up another line and nothing in it |
| 14:14.13 | cla | Is apache more stable and supported with sarge than apache? |
| 14:14.33 | PeTeRB | cla: Hah. |
| 14:14.47 | cla | PeTeRB: How so? |
| 14:14.55 | PeTeRB | cla: Read your question. |
| 14:15.00 | FieldySnuts | !punch test |
| 14:15.01 | kneet | cla - "with sarge than woody?" maybe? |
| 14:15.03 | cla | lol |
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| 14:15.04 | cla | sry |
| 14:15.21 | cla | It should read "apache or apache2"... heh |
| 14:15.21 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: kill $randnick |
| 14:15.42 | takatumi | !ganjasmite FieldySnuts |
| 14:15.45 | jim | kevin_: ok, so you do not have either less or pnpdump |
| 14:15.46 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:15.48 | sussudio | !berserker |
| 14:15.54 | kevin_ | right jim: |
| 14:15.55 | FieldySnuts | !dachs sussudio |
| 14:15.56 | takatumi | o_O |
| 14:15.56 | jim | howbout lspci? |
| 14:16.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | where can i add a system mac address to have it get an ip via DHCP? |
| 14:16.00 | FieldySnuts | lag? |
| 14:16.03 | dpkg | sussudio: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 14:16.06 | FieldySnuts | eek |
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| 14:16.15 | FieldySnuts | in Soviet Russia, bongs hit YOU. |
| 14:16.34 | FieldySnuts | wait, where did dpkg get the nick anhi from |
| 14:16.38 | PeTeRB | I don't get the Soviet Russia jokes :| |
| 14:17.00 | sussudio | PeTeRB: in soviet russia, joke gets you |
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| 14:17.04 | bush | in soviet russia, jokes get you |
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| 14:17.06 | FieldySnuts | PeTeRB: badgerwangtek |
| 14:17.06 | bush | agh. |
| 14:17.24 | FieldySnuts | !blame North Korea |
| 14:17.30 | kevin_ | jim: I will get better, I promise |
| 14:17.44 | jim | kevin: lspci |
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| 14:17.49 | zignig | FieldySnuts: they have WMD too, no really this time! |
| 14:17.50 | jim | that do anything? |
| 14:17.54 | kevin_ | k |
| 14:18.02 | FieldySnuts | MMD's midgets of mass destruction |
| 14:18.07 | cla | kneet: We just upgraded from woody w. apache to sarge. Now I wonder what apache version to install. |
| 14:18.10 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 14:18.10 | apt | Muslims rule! |
| 14:18.16 | kevin_ | jim: that worked |
| 14:18.17 | jim | don't paste the output here... just see if it does something |
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| 14:18.29 | zignig | FieldySnuts: flock of scottish dwarves with bagpipes. |
| 14:18.33 | jim | ok, see what the lines seem to mean |
| 14:18.33 | zignig | FieldySnuts: EEEEK |
| 14:18.34 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 14:18.38 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 14:18.38 | apt | Pakistan sucks! |
| 14:18.39 | jim | read them |
| 14:18.43 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 14:18.46 | jim | try to make sense of what they say |
| 14:18.46 | sussudio | !start a badger war |
| 14:18.47 | dpkg | FieldySnuts are worse than mushrooms |
| 14:18.49 | green_earz | hid3_: http://www.knowplace.org/shaper/requirements.html#compiling |
| 14:18.51 | FieldySnuts | argh |
| 14:18.53 | kevin_ | I am and it is saying nothing about sound |
| 14:18.55 | directhex|work | !start a food fight |
| 14:18.56 | dpkg | cheese is not tasty |
| 14:19.04 | FieldySnuts | !start a beer fight |
| 14:19.08 | FieldySnuts | !start a beer war |
| 14:19.14 | FieldySnuts | done |
| 14:19.15 | hid3_ | green_earz: thx once more |
| 14:19.26 | green_earz | np |
| 14:19.27 | zignig | !beer me |
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| 14:19.33 | jim | !start a barbie war |
| 14:19.34 | dpkg | guns are hard! |
| 14:19.39 | FieldySnuts | jim: HEH |
| 14:19.56 | tralala | !botabuse |
| 14:19.56 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a barbie war |
| 14:20.04 | FieldySnuts | bot lag heh. brb |
| 14:20.06 | sussudio | !buttabuse |
| 14:20.11 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 14:20.11 | dpkg | guns are hard! |
| 14:20.19 | FieldySnuts | "goes rahul"? |
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| 14:20.24 | sussudio | !rah00 |
| 14:20.25 | dpkg | Timmy? RAH00! |
| 14:20.30 | furrywolf | !start a war war |
| 14:20.31 | dpkg | editor wars suck ass! |
| 14:20.32 | zignig | ppp keeps on wiping out my resolve.conf, how would I add local nameservers ? |
| 14:20.32 | FieldySnuts | TIMMAY!! |
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| 14:20.54 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: literal start a barbie war/ |
| 14:20.58 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: literal start a barbie war? |
| 14:20.58 | kevin_ | jim: it has host bridge, ISA bridge, 2 card bus bridges, and a VGA compatible controler |
| 14:20.58 | dpkg | start a barbie war is <reply> guns are hard! |
| 14:20.59 | zignig | *resolv.conf |
| 14:21.06 | FieldySnuts | oh that could be improved heh |
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| 14:21.38 | jim | kevin_: ok, it doesn't seem like your sound chipset is on your internal pci bus |
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| 14:22.00 | cla | Just read apache2 has php quirk's... Anyone knows anything? |
| 14:22.17 | tralala | !anyone know |
| 14:22.18 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 14:22.28 | kevin_ | it seems that way but yet with Windows it was configured and running properly, just here it is a pain |
| 14:22.39 | jim | kevin: if it were, you'd see something about it like the manufacturer and stuff like that |
| 14:22.44 | _cat | is there a media player supports the APE format ? |
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| 14:22.59 | kevin_ | jim: ok, thanx anyways |
| 14:23.08 | tralala | Congratulations kevin_! You've just made the life of your keyboard one keystroke longer! |
| 14:23.14 | jim | kevin_: in linux it pays to know something about hardware, and specifically about your hardware... |
| 14:23.29 | directhex|work | it'll be on isa |
| 14:23.36 | directhex|work | install isapnpstuffthingy and run alsaconf |
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| 14:23.54 | jim | isapnptools |
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| 14:24.04 | kbrooks | hm |
| 14:24.26 | jim | don't you need to configure the isapnp first? or does alsa do that? |
| 14:24.31 | kevin_ | yes, it is just getting used to how to ask the questions and also how to run the OS you have chosed or have had chosen for you. But I am going to sit back and watch the text and see what else I can pick up |
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| 14:24.33 | kbrooks | how do i customize.....the message you get when you login? |
| 14:24.50 | kevin_ | jim: I have no idear |
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| 14:24.59 | jim | kevin_, debian was chosen for you? |
| 14:25.13 | PeTeRB | kbrooks: man motd |
| 14:25.16 | kevin_ | yes by a programmer friend of mine |
| 14:25.32 | tralala | kevin_: he should have installed and configured it for you |
| 14:25.35 | jim | it's not a bad os for a programmer |
| 14:25.47 | jim | or server admin |
| 14:26.08 | kevin_ | I did an internet install because of the fact that it has a 2 gig hard drive and it won't boot to cd |
| 14:26.11 | jim | if you want to learn linux and learn how debian works, that's cool too |
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| 14:26.26 | kevin_ | that's why I agreed |
| 14:26.32 | green_earz | hid3_: and one more > http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/traffic_shaping/buildkernel.html |
| 14:26.40 | kevin_ | but I need to go for now, later folks |
| 14:26.45 | jim | ahh, so it wasn't entirely chosen for you... you did agree... |
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| 14:28.07 | _cat | ? |
| 14:28.28 | _cat | is there a way to play APE ? |
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| 14:29.06 | scarynetworkguy | !tell _cat about smart questions |
| 14:29.50 | directhex|work | monkeysaudio? maybe rarewares |
| 14:29.54 | directhex|work | but you should use a real codec |
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| 14:29.59 | K_Dallas | smart questions are those which have half the answer in them |
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| 14:30.36 | scarynetworkguy | K_Dallas: Knowing what to ask is half the battle. Yes. |
| 14:30.44 | Noid | we have a faulty hdd, what is the tool to check it or/and do a low level format? |
| 14:30.46 | FieldySnuts | !samir |
| 14:30.54 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: test |
| 14:30.54 | dpkg | Sorry, fieldysnuts, I didn't get your test. |
| 14:30.55 | K_Dallas | scarynetworkguy, exactly |
| 14:30.56 | directhex|work | no, wait, it's non-free and windows-only |
| 14:31.00 | greycat | Thanks, G.I. scarynetworkguy! |
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| 14:31.49 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: No thank you. :) |
| 14:32.03 | calyth | SoftRAID question: I was trying to build a SoftRAID 1 using Sarge, but somehow the mdadm settings were not persistant after a reboot - ie I followed the SoftRAID HOWTO and try to create the raid with one of the drives marked missing, but the said md device was not recognized. Could it be the fact that the kernel I was using didn't have SoftRAID compiled in (it was modules) |
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| 14:33.59 | jms | hello |
| 14:34.22 | jms | i long time ago, i installed the "gnome" meta-package, but there are many depedencies i don't use (like evolution) is it possible to remove them without removing "gnome-and-its-depedencies" ? (or juste the gnome meta-package without its depedencies ?) |
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| 14:35.04 | darkness1 | Wey, just installed sarge and all was fine. Then i checked for upgrades and installed. Now when i right click on the mouse i just get blackbox, xterm, restart and exit. Whats happened to all the programs? |
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| 14:35.16 | c0al | is there a graphical or curses based tool to edit what programs start in the boot-up sequence ??? |
| 14:35.29 | takatumi | c0al: rcconf |
| 14:35.38 | K_Dallas | c0al, one way not the best way would be to use webadmin |
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| 14:36.12 | c0al | okay cool - i didn't have rcconf installed. apt-getting it now. thanks takatumi :-) |
| 14:36.13 | JohnFlux | with a dual processor system, does each processor have its own address space? Can I put 4GB in a dual processor system running a 32bit OS ? |
| 14:36.14 | calyth | c0al: if you just want to remove a program (eg gdm) you could use update-rc -f remove gdm... update-rc seems to be a debian specific script |
| 14:36.56 | PeTeRB | calyth: It's update-rc.d |
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| 14:37.06 | darkness1 | Any ideas how i access program files? |
| 14:37.35 | calyth | PeTeRB: thanks. memory error ;0 |
| 14:37.46 | c0al | thanks much guys :) |
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| 14:37.49 | K_Dallas | c0al, would i need ssh at start up? I run no server and dont use ssh |
| 14:37.50 | calyth | darkness1: what do you mean exactly? |
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| 14:37.53 | asg | darkness1: run update-menus (see if that fixes things) |
| 14:38.12 | drac | darkness1: or is 'menu' package even installed? |
| 14:38.17 | c0al | K_Dallas: then it sounds like you wouldn't need it :) |
| 14:38.28 | K_Dallas | good so i uncheck it :) thanks |
| 14:38.35 | chx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.57 | darkness1 | drac, it was working fine until i did apt-get upgrade. |
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| 14:39.24 | drac | darkness1: I didn't ask that. |
| 14:39.48 | darkness1 | updateHow do i check drac? |
| 14:40.02 | darkness1 | How* |
| 14:40.11 | drac | darkness1: apt-get install menu |
| 14:40.27 | calyth | chx: I don't exactly know how to do that, but I do konw if you do screw up, you could just use a boot disk, chroot into it and install grub there |
| 14:40.32 | Fleckuciic | can't install kernel paches - i need nvidia, but nvidia installers says that i don't have kernel source |
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| 14:40.38 | takatumi | chx: info grub-install |
| 14:40.42 | Fleckuciic | don't whant to recompile |
| 14:40.45 | chx | takatumi: I read that |
| 14:40.48 | resiak | !tell Fleckuciic -about nvidia howto |
| 14:40.52 | takatumi | chx: and? |
| 14:40.59 | resiak | !tell Fleckuciic -about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:41.48 | chx | takatumi: it's a reference manual for those who know grub. I do not. I suspect --boot-drive=DRIVE and --install-partition=PAR is something I'll need |
| 14:41.58 | darkness1 | Done drac, will i need to reboot? |
| 14:42.14 | jethro | Fleckuciic: nvidia installer? |
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| 14:42.21 | christor | sep: it doesn t work with apt-mirror |
| 14:42.23 | Fleckuciic | jethro yep |
| 14:42.27 | Markolonius | hey everyone |
| 14:42.29 | jethro | Fleckuciic: you should NOT use the nvidia installer |
| 14:42.41 | Fleckuciic | ok then what ? |
| 14:42.43 | qwertz_ | Hi! I've ssh with key verification (without passwords) using this as normal user in my crontab works but using as system user (nagios in this case) it fails with "Host key verification failed." - anybody knows what I've to change to get this work? |
| 14:42.44 | jethro | Fleckuciic: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 14:42.44 | christor | sep I ahve this error mesage Proceed indexes: [Ssh: line 1: ftp.debian.skynet.be/ftp/debian///dists/stable/main/source/Sources.gz: No such file or directory |
| 14:42.47 | christor | apt-mirror: can't open index in proceed_index_gz at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 329. |
| 14:42.48 | drac | darkness1: restart blackbox maybe, not reboot |
| 14:42.50 | FieldySnuts | !nvidia one liner |
| 14:42.50 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 14:43.26 | asg | qwertz_: edit the .ssh/known_hosts for the user, remove the host key in there, manually ssh from that user and verify the new key, get a drink and relax. |
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| 14:43.42 | Markolonius | i wanted to know, i just finished building my own kernel and i see in the grub menu.list there is a initrd.img what is that and where in /usr/src/linux can i find it to copy it in /boot ? |
| 14:43.44 | coywolf | how do i change the program which runs on a link I click in firefox? |
| 14:43.47 | WiFiTux | hhmm is iptables screwed as well for people in Sid? |
| 14:43.50 | directhex|work | i can shorten that even further, actually |
| 14:44.01 | js | what libs are needed inside a chrooted environment in order for dns lookups to work? |
| 14:44.26 | asg | js: the resolver library at least |
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| 14:44.40 | directhex|work | dpkg, no, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 14:44.44 | Markolonius | hmm |
| 14:44.48 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 14:44.48 | darkness1 | drac, worked a treat. Cheers :-) |
| 14:44.50 | takatumi | chx: try just grub-install /dev/hda or specify --root-directory=/foo hd0 to install it to a partition. |
| 14:44.54 | js | asg: what does it consist of? i put the libdns, libnsl and libnss_* files there together with resolv.conf |
| 14:45.11 | asg | js: well, run 'ldd' on the binary you are chrooting and find out what else it needs. |
| 14:45.19 | jharrisonwk | anyone know why some of the acct process accounting programs seem to display information that is not what is expected? |
| 14:45.24 | js | asg: i did that, but it doesn't seem to be sufficient |
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| 14:45.50 | asg | js: there may be log devices, fifos, and other things you need too. |
| 14:46.11 | js | asg: ok |
| 14:46.21 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: like which one? |
| 14:47.03 | asg | directhex|work: eventually, I expect you'll normalize it to "dpkg, no, nvidia one-liner is 'type foop!'" |
| 14:47.05 | js | asg: strangely enough, "host" can look up things, but irssi cannot |
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| 14:47.15 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: like this |
| 14:47.16 | jharrisonwk | p? 34818 ?? 0.00 secs Wed Dec 31 19:00 |
| 14:47.17 | jharrisonwk | ?? S 34818 ?? 0.00 secs Wed Dec 31 19:00 |
| 14:47.27 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: that is for the command lastcomm jharrison |
| 14:48.08 | asg | js: well, start by running strace on the binary you are running (log the output) and look for access to things you don't have in your chroot. |
| 14:48.19 | asg | js: or ltrace |
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| 14:48.41 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: hmm, yeah almost similar here. |
| 14:48.42 | directhex|work | asg, i've tried to shorten it as much as i feel is safe. actually, m-a prepare is a better bet than how it was, as it'll not fail if users compiled thier own kernels, unless their source/headers are missing |
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| 14:48.55 | js | asg: ok, thanks |
| 14:48.56 | asg | directhex|work: :) |
| 14:48.57 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: for some reason I dont think it is suppose to look like that |
| 14:49.21 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: I was expecting more of a jharrison used these commands type of thing |
| 14:49.29 | directhex|work | asg, not that anyone who needs the one-liner should be compiling their own kernels |
| 14:49.32 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: instead I get a bunch of characters that I cant make sense of |
| 14:49.41 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: history might be your best bet. |
| 14:49.47 | drac | directhex|work: at least on 'bash' and sarge that one-liner doesn't execute commands after && m-a a-i nvidia && command_here_that_doesnt_get_executed. |
| 14:49.48 | asg | directhex|work: true |
| 14:49.56 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: history can be hidden |
| 14:49.59 | Fleckuciic | apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 14:49.59 | Fleckuciic | W: Unable to locate package nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:50.42 | directhex|work | sigh |
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| 14:50.53 | directhex|work | !tell Fleckuciic about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:51.08 | Fleckuciic | :) |
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| 14:51.13 | Fleckuciic | installing ;) |
| 14:51.49 | JohnFlux | where can I buy an amd rack system? |
| 14:51.55 | JohnFlux | in europe |
| 14:51.55 | JohnFlux | (uk) |
| 14:51.59 | Markolonius | anyone know where the initrd.img is located after building a custom kernel? |
| 14:52.31 | directhex|work | Markolonius, how did you build said kernel? |
| 14:52.40 | directhex|work | JohnFlux, armari.co.uk |
| 14:52.49 | directhex|work | JohnFlux, or dnuk.com |
| 14:52.51 | Markolonius | directhex|work i didn't build it with debian tools, i will next time though |
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| 14:53.11 | Spec[x] | make-kpkg is awesome |
| 14:53.19 | Spec[x] | at least i think it's make-kpkg -.- |
| 14:53.23 | directhex|work | Markolonius, can't help you then. |
| 14:53.24 | Markolonius | yeah i should have done it that way |
| 14:53.28 | directhex|work | Spec[x], yes. |
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| 14:53.51 | Markolonius | alright thanks anyway directhex|work |
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| 14:54.12 | stouset | G'day, folks. |
| 14:54.40 | stouset | Anyone looking for Debian sysadmins in the Atlanta area? :-) |
| 14:54.49 | directhex|work | !fire stouset |
| 14:54.50 | dpkg | I'm sorry, stouset, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 14:54.58 | simonrvn | #hiremenow is that -> way |
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| 14:55.03 | stouset | Hehe. |
| 14:55.19 | directhex|work | stouset, print button? you don't use latex? what kind of debian admin ARE you? |
| 14:55.22 | stouset | !hire stouset |
| 14:55.31 | asg | stouset: dear McDonald's Manager, bugger off? |
| 14:55.33 | stouset | A Debian admin with a Debian workstation. |
| 14:55.58 | stouset | :-P |
| 14:56.12 | stouset | With GNOME and Abiword and all sort of niceties. |
| 14:56.18 | christor | is there an equivalent to rpm -qf with dpkg? |
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| 14:56.28 | FieldySnuts | stouset: yeah i know the feeling, sitting in such a day right now |
| 14:56.29 | OUTsider | alien ? :) |
| 14:56.44 | FieldySnuts | christor: since we don't know rpm or how it works, what do those flags do? |
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| 14:57.04 | directhex|work | q is query |
| 14:57.08 | directhex|work | i don't know what f is |
| 14:57.11 | FieldySnuts | asg: haha |
| 14:57.11 | stouset | file? |
| 14:57.15 | phaedrus_ | anyone got advice on installing this us robotics usb wireless adapter in debian mepis? |
| 14:57.16 | christor | find a packages using a file |
| 14:57.24 | simonrvn | dpkg -S |
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| 14:57.24 | asg | christor: dpkg -S ; apt-file search |
| 14:57.29 | stouset | dpkg -S |
| 14:57.29 | directhex|work | huh? you mean apt-file search? |
| 14:57.37 | christor | ex: rpm -qf http2.conf will be apache2-common |
| 14:57.43 | cddesjar | anyone know if there is a way that i can configure KDE so that everything is smaller? does that make sense? it opens my programs in a very large setting |
| 14:58.04 | christor | asg: stouset : it seems ok |
| 14:58.11 | stouset | cddesjar: Fonts? |
| 14:58.35 | stouset | cddesjar: Or are you talking about screen resolution? |
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| 14:58.44 | cddesjar | it's not just fonts. when i open a program (i.e. azureus) the fonts in the program and the resolution are huge |
| 14:58.46 | K_Dallas | cddesjar, also window-frame setting could be changed to something lite |
| 14:59.04 | stouset | cddesjar: Seems like you need to up the resolution in X |
| 14:59.07 | simonrvn | just needs to set up the x server to use 75 dpi instead of 100 |
| 14:59.08 | stouset | !drxx |
| 14:59.08 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 14:59.13 | asg | cddesjar: change -dpi 100 to -dpi 75 |
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| 14:59.18 | stouset | Or that. |
| 14:59.25 | cddesjar | ok |
| 14:59.41 | stouset | Where do you actually change the DPI out of curiosity? I don't think I've ever had to do that. |
| 14:59.46 | cddesjar | i'll give it a shot |
| 14:59.57 | asg | stouset: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc (if you use startx) |
| 15:00.07 | stouset | I don't. |
| 15:00.14 | asg | stouset: if you use a *dm, find out where it starts the X server and modify the settings |
| 15:00.19 | man_in_shack | does anyone know if there's a way to limit the sizes of system logs? |
| 15:00.22 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hire stouset |
| 15:00.32 | asg | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 15:00.35 | FieldySnuts | it has multiple jobs and wages. have fun |
| 15:00.41 | FieldySnuts | oh and picks a random nick to work with them |
| 15:00.53 | stouset | dpkg: hire stouset |
| 15:00.53 | stouset | Hot. |
| 15:00.53 | PeTeRB | man_in_shack: logrotate |
| 15:00.57 | stouset | Already a raise! |
| 15:01.00 | FieldySnuts | damn thing |
| 15:01.01 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 15:01.02 | man_in_shack | such as kern.log |
| 15:01.05 | coywolf | how do i change the program which opens a link when I click it in firefox? |
| 15:01.07 | FieldySnuts | !hire Phated |
| 15:01.11 | coywolf | the binding |
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| 15:01.13 | stouset | But still at McDonalds. |
| 15:01.16 | cddesjar | where do i change -dpi from 100 to 75? |
| 15:01.23 | FieldySnuts | why does it keep picking that |
| 15:01.26 | cddesjar | when configuring x? |
| 15:01.28 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget hire $1 |
| 15:01.29 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: i didn't have anything called 'hire $1' to forget |
| 15:01.31 | simonrvn | whoah, that's freaky |
| 15:01.32 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 15:01.35 | Pingu12- | hm ? |
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| 15:01.41 | asg | cddesjar: find out where kdm is starting X and change it (/etc/X11/kdm/*) |
| 15:01.43 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget CMD hire $1 |
| 15:01.43 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd hire $1' to forget, FieldySnuts |
| 15:01.47 | FieldySnuts | damnit |
| 15:01.49 | cddesjar | ok |
| 15:01.54 | simonrvn | !literal cmd: hire (.*?) |
| 15:01.54 | dpkg | CMD: hire (.*?) is ($1): <action> hires $1 along with $randnick as a (NSA Headquarters Janitorial Staff Supervisor|McDonalds Floor Mopper, 3rd shift|Bush Administration UN Bribing Lackey|US Coast Guard Propeller Cleaner|Chicago Blackhawks Mens Room Urinal Puck Changer), at (1|2|3|7|9|15|) dollars/hour to start |
| 15:01.55 | asg | FieldySnuts: cmd: foo (.*?) |
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| 15:02.03 | FieldySnuts | what did I goof up? |
| 15:02.10 | asg | FieldySnuts: forgot the : |
| 15:02.12 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 15:02.21 | snail | the sarge setiathome is currentul broken. it tries to download from an ftp site that does not permit access |
| 15:02.21 | K_Dallas | asg, what else can i change in xserverrc? or add? |
| 15:02.22 | FieldySnuts | no i mean in the factoid, it choise McDonalds 3 times in a row |
| 15:02.25 | FieldySnuts | just bad luck? |
| 15:02.27 | asg | K_Dallas: man X |
| 15:02.31 | K_Dallas | thanks |
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| 15:02.40 | K_Dallas | i man-ed xserverrc but nothing ;) |
| 15:02.43 | simonrvn | it happens, then it'll select another 25 000 times in a row |
| 15:02.43 | FieldySnuts | !hire test |
| 15:02.46 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 15:02.48 | FieldySnuts | .... |
| 15:02.51 | FieldySnuts | i'll fix it later |
| 15:02.56 | redog | how do I see what packages are avaliable to install with apt-get ? |
| 15:02.57 | asg | K_Dallas: also, man xinit and startx |
| 15:03.08 | rutski89 | I'm new to torrents, and I have a bad feeling they can be infected, should I just chill? O.o |
| 15:03.09 | stouset | Can't be bad luck. |
| 15:03.09 | stouset | !hire me |
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| 15:03.14 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: try removing the | on the number () section |
| 15:03.14 | FieldySnuts | oh wait i found it, extra | |
| 15:03.15 | K_Dallas | excellent, got a lot to read :) thanks asg |
| 15:03.16 | cddesjar | xdm is starting x not kdm |
| 15:03.18 | stouset | redog: aptitude |
| 15:03.23 | stouset | redog: apt-cache search |
| 15:03.29 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget cmd hire $1 (*.?) |
| 15:03.30 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd hire $1 (*.?)' to forget, FieldySnuts |
| 15:03.35 | FieldySnuts | DAMNIT someone do it for me |
| 15:03.37 | asg | rutski89: anything you download you don't trust could be infected, this has nothing to do with torrents |
| 15:03.48 | simonrvn | no, just do a =~ s/foo/bar/ edit |
| 15:03.52 | redog | stouset: thanks |
| 15:04.01 | rutski89 | asg: its that I'm DLing it from various other users |
| 15:04.05 | FieldySnuts | i can't even get the forget right, im not advaned enough for that |
| 15:04.11 | FieldySnuts | i can just re-msg him the correction after that |
| 15:04.20 | qwertz_ | asg, tried it (had to create the home dir first cause it's system user) but the cron job still fails |
| 15:04.22 | christor | ppf I m trying to do a mirror debian using apt-mirror but I have problem to use the proxy .. Is someone has better idea? |
| 15:04.29 | asg | !forget cmd: hire $1 (.*?) |
| 15:04.29 | simonrvn | !cmd: hire (.*?) =~ s/1|2|3|7|9|15|/1|2|3|7|9|15/ |
| 15:04.29 | dpkg | asg: i didn't have anything called 'CMD: hire $1 (.*?)' to forget |
| 15:04.30 | rutski89 | asg: I don't really know how torrents work exactly, will and md5 gaurentee my files credibility? |
| 15:04.31 | christor | or is it the best idea |
| 15:04.35 | asg | !forget cmd: hire (.*?) |
| 15:04.36 | dpkg | asg: i forgot CMD: hire (.*?) |
| 15:04.39 | bob2 | christor: debmirror is a way easier tool |
| 15:04.43 | asg | FieldySnuts: there you go |
| 15:04.46 | FieldySnuts | thank you. |
| 15:04.58 | christor | bob2: ok |
| 15:05.16 | stouset | rutski89: Bittorrent ensures that the file you downloaded is not corrupted. |
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| 15:05.20 | asg | rutski89: well, nothing is guaranteed but anyone who would go to lengths needed to create collided md5 hashes is probably not worried about you downloading 'Finding Nemo' |
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| 15:05.33 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hire Daniel Robbins |
| 15:05.38 | cddesjar | hmm...i still can't seem to find anything that says dpi |
| 15:05.41 | FieldySnuts | okay. i give up, bbl |
| 15:05.50 | rutski89 | asg: hehe, I'm DLing slackware so I can get on kde 3.4.1 O.o |
| 15:05.50 | cddesjar | where would the file be located in /etc/X11/xdm |
| 15:05.52 | cddesjar | ? |
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| 15:06.06 | asg | cddesjar: use the tools, grep -lr dpi /etc/X11 |
| 15:06.06 | simonrvn | rutski89: /topic |
| 15:06.15 | chx | rutski89: Kubuntu has KDE 3.4.1 too and it's debian |
| 15:06.17 | rutski89 | simonrvn: sorry |
| 15:06.18 | cddesjar | doesn't Etch have kde 3.4.1? |
| 15:06.22 | asg | chx: no it isn't |
| 15:06.26 | directhex|work | chx, no, it isn't |
| 15:06.27 | cddesjar | !Ubuntu |
| 15:06.27 | dpkg | it has been said that ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 15:06.32 | simonrvn | ubuntu isn't debian |
| 15:06.36 | rutski89 | chx: sure, I'll try that too then |
| 15:06.36 | k-s | hello, anybody experienced with building .deb ? |
| 15:06.38 | chx | ok, debian based |
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| 15:06.44 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 15:06.45 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 15:06.48 | chx | it's more debian that slackware! |
| 15:06.49 | asg | k-s: read the new maintainer guide (/msg dpkg mg) |
| 15:06.56 | chx | it's more debian than slackware is |
| 15:07.01 | directhex|work | k-s, depends how simple said package is to get to play nice. i've built some trivial packages |
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| 15:07.02 | cddesjar | ok i found it in a couple of places |
| 15:07.02 | man_in_shack | chk, it's also less debian than mepis |
| 15:07.07 | bob2 | and it's less Debian than Debian |
| 15:07.10 | k-s | I need to compile php4-dbase, but it's not supported... I'm trying to add support for dbase in php4 package, but no success |
| 15:07.12 | bernouli | is there any good wlan-manager-programm other kinternet |
| 15:07.15 | cddesjar | where would be the place i would need to change it? Xserver |
| 15:07.16 | simonrvn | bob2++ |
| 15:07.21 | directhex|work | slackware is more debian than cheese though |
| 15:07.22 | asg | it's also a cocked up way to get kde 3.4 |
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| 15:07.27 | bob2 | bernouli: netapplet for gnome is nice |
| 15:07.27 | directhex|work | so how does ubuntu compare to cheese? |
| 15:07.32 | gahan | i've received spam on privmsg from nickatnight |
| 15:07.38 | bob2 | directhex|work: 99% less fat! |
| 15:07.39 | asg | directhex|work: not that good with mustard |
| 15:07.43 | FieldySnuts | hire test |
| 15:07.45 | cddesjar | ok i found it out |
| 15:07.49 | simonrvn | considering that the freaking /topic mentions how to get info to get kde 3.4.... |
| 15:07.49 | cddesjar | i'll reboot and try |
| 15:07.50 | rutski89 | bob2: heh |
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| 15:07.53 | FieldySnuts | far too lagged on this termbbl |
| 15:07.57 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 15:08.00 | mops | where in thuderbird can I set the default browser to use to browse http links? |
| 15:08.09 | directhex|work | mops, it uses your gnome setting. |
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| 15:08.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@68-189-171-128.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] by bob2 |
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| 15:08.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 15:08.18 | chx | it's unbelievable... there was a guy who said he'll try slackware just for kde 3.4.1 , I commented in good faith there is a debian based distro and everybody is on my throat. I now understand a few things. Have fun with 2.5 release cycles. bye. |
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| 15:08.27 | directhex|work | actually, iirc, you get asked by debconf if you want to use sensible-browser or your gnome brpwser setting |
| 15:08.35 | FieldySnuts | !troll chx |
| 15:08.39 | k-s | asg: problem is that php4 is not a trivial package... it have tons of internal packages... :( |
| 15:08.41 | k-s | asg: also, there is any wayt to compile just php4-XXXX instead of the thousands of php4-* ? |
| 15:08.58 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 15:09.11 | mops | derecthex|work: thank you |
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| 15:09.20 | simonrvn | over to your place for cheese and wine? |
| 15:09.32 | directhex|work | simonrvn, how about slackware and wine? |
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| 15:09.41 | bob2 | simonrvn: but of course! |
| 15:09.55 | bob2 | some good tasmanian brie and some fine hunter valley red |
| 15:10.08 | simonrvn | directhex|work: hehe, gotta have the cheese(y distro ;p) |
| 15:10.14 | Gnea | heh |
| 15:10.17 | simonrvn | bob2: w00t |
| 15:10.20 | directhex|work | new world wines are best, only wannabe wine buffs drink european |
| 15:10.20 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: every 2.5 years |
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| 15:10.57 | Kraig | i was seeing that i use to apt-cache search something and when i see multiple choices i tend to install the ones that catch my attention first, so i check one but forget about the others or so... and i end with lots of packages and dunno where to begin to uninstall 'em... wondering if there's a tool like telling me i've never used certain package or i haven't use it since certain date or so... any ideas? |
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| 15:11.19 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: your turn |
| 15:11.29 | simonrvn | Kraig: yes. aptitude on its default settings |
| 15:11.38 | Kraig | simonrvn: thanks |
| 15:11.40 | bob2 | Kraig: not a direct answer to your question, but aptitude maintaines a log of packages it installs, so you can at least check out what and when you've installed in the past |
| 15:11.42 | JohnFlux | Kraig: uninstal random packages. if your system breaks, reinstall it |
| 15:11.53 | simonrvn | baad advice |
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| 15:11.54 | gba | Hi. Can someone tell me why I get these errors (http://paste.debian.net/850) at 'debootstrap sid sid-chroot ftp://mirror'? |
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| 15:11.56 | asg | k-s: sorry? |
| 15:11.58 | FieldySnuts | wow. lame |
| 15:12.25 | stouset | Wow, setiathome seems to have been abandoned. |
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| 15:12.50 | bob2 | gba: sid's not guaranteed to be debootstrapable at any given time |
| 15:12.59 | honschu | How to sniff usb? |
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| 15:13.00 | JohnFlux | can a dual 32bit system support max 3gb or max 6gb? |
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| 15:13.03 | gba | bob2: okay, thanks |
| 15:13.12 | directhex|work | john, 3gb or 6gb of what? |
| 15:13.14 | asg | honschu: why bother, it tastes just like chicken |
| 15:13.14 | FieldySnuts | define "support" |
| 15:13.17 | bob2 | gba: that looks like a known bug, tho |
| 15:13.21 | simonrvn | define dual |
| 15:13.24 | bob2 | gba: wait until libncurses5w is updated |
| 15:13.25 | honschu | asg: ? |
| 15:13.26 | bob2 | (iirc) |
| 15:13.31 | JohnFlux | directhex|work: memory |
| 15:13.31 | gba | bob2: but --variant=buildd is functioning |
| 15:13.42 | bob2 | gba: ah, I guess that avoids ncurses entirely |
| 15:13.43 | quittt | how much people suicied after installing Sid? |
| 15:13.44 | quittt | !sid |
| 15:13.45 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 15:13.47 | JohnFlux | directhex|work: I'm wondering if they share the same address space |
| 15:13.48 | directhex|work | JohnFlux, it's not as simple as "32 bit system". do you mean i386? which chips exactly? |
| 15:13.55 | mops | but I have KDE too |
| 15:13.56 | honschu | How to sniff usb? |
| 15:13.59 | FieldySnuts | 32bit supports way more memory than that. as for ammount of memory accessible at once by one app, that's a different story |
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| 15:14.03 | JohnFlux | directhex|work: dual xeons but running on a 32 bit OS :| |
| 15:14.06 | FieldySnuts | @lart honschu |
| 15:14.06 | mops | and when I click on http link in thunderbird |
| 15:14.07 | directhex|work | john, yes, they share the same address space |
| 15:14.11 | bob2 | JohnFlux: it give you no advantage in terms of memory |
| 15:14.12 | directhex|work | john, p2, p3, or p4 xeons? |
| 15:14.13 | mops | it opens in konqueror |
| 15:14.14 | gba | bob5: how can I look if libnucurses5w is updated? |
| 15:14.22 | Kraig | JohnFlux: lol, that might help :P |
| 15:14.23 | mops | and I DON'T want konqueror |
| 15:14.28 | JohnFlux | directhex|work: p4 i think |
| 15:14.29 | FieldySnuts | !seen bob5 |
| 15:14.31 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: i haven't seen 'bob5' |
| 15:14.32 | gba | s/bob5/bob2/ |
| 15:14.38 | mops | I want the default browser to be firefox |
| 15:14.45 | directhex|work | john, i think that's about 16gb addressable, but 2gb limit per app |
| 15:14.57 | asg | mops: ask #mozilla |
| 15:15.00 | JohnFlux | directhex|work: but 2gb per app per cpu, or 2gb in total? |
| 15:15.01 | bob2 | gba: packages.qa.debian.org/libncurses5w |
| 15:15.12 | bob2 | gba: this is a vague recollection of a post on http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 15:15.23 | Gnea | honschu: take the usb cable, place it under your nose and take a big whiff |
| 15:15.25 | Gnea | honschu: j/k |
| 15:15.26 | directhex|work | no, my mistake, 4gb virtual addressible space on p4johtotal. |
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| 15:15.32 | directhex|work | gah |
| 15:15.35 | honschu | Gnea:? |
| 15:15.36 | cddesjar | thanks guys it worked! |
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| 15:15.39 | gba | bob2: okay, I will look at this page. but i have problems with it; I looked at it in past |
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| 15:15.49 | bob2 | gba: hm? |
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| 15:15.58 | FieldySnuts | honschu: we don't understand your question, you'll have to be more detailed |
| 15:16.00 | Gnea | honschu: apt-get install usbutils and check google out |
| 15:16.03 | directhex|work | JohnFlux, total. 4gb ram max, 2gb per app. i think this is accurate. |
| 15:16.09 | migma | my soundcard seems to be undetected by the default install, I have an ASUS P4P800-X i865 AC97 |
| 15:16.15 | FieldySnuts | no. it's far more than 4. |
| 15:16.18 | migma | onboard sound ^ |
| 15:16.22 | luulis | is there any expected date for xorg packages for sid or experimental or is it just 'when its ready'? |
| 15:16.23 | gba | bob2: i just don't understand what all this information bits mean |
| 15:16.33 | honschu | FieldySnuts: What part didn't you get into your brain? May I serve a hammer? |
| 15:16.34 | bob2 | gba: are you talking about planet? |
| 15:16.43 | asg | luulis: according to D. Nusinov, it is possibly going into experimental soon |
| 15:16.46 | FieldySnuts | honschu: I was trying to help, but eat shit. |
| 15:16.47 | bob2 | luulis: when it's ready; it looks like it'll be in the next couple of weeks |
| 15:16.48 | quittt | found a bug in bittornado |
| 15:16.53 | JohnFlux | directhex|work: usually the limit is 3gb |
| 15:16.55 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, on i386? i think you need a cpu which supports PAE for higher |
| 15:16.58 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: quit it |
| 15:17.05 | quittt | the gnome menu is wrong |
| 15:17.08 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: you too. |
| 15:17.08 | JohnFlux | directhex|work: 1gb for mapping the other devices |
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| 15:17.16 | directhex|work | JohnFlux, depends on the os, and the compilation settings on said os. |
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| 15:17.21 | asg | quittt: file a bug then (/msg dpkg bts) |
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| 15:17.29 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: in case you hadn't noticed, my sarcasm quit on the first line |
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| 15:17.47 | kitu | how can i make a dir non-writable for a few users? |
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| 15:17.50 | FieldySnuts | why am I catching heat over this? I tried to help, fine you know what, fuck it |
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| 15:18.07 | asg | kitu: make it group writable for certain users besides the few. |
| 15:18.07 | honschu | FieldySnuts: Enjoy your meal! |
| 15:18.12 | k-s | asg: also, there is any wayt to compile just php4-mysql instead of the thousands of php4-mysql, php4-gd, php4-imap, ... ? |
| 15:18.21 | gba | bob2: no about packages.qa.d.o |
| 15:18.33 | bob2 | gba: ah, ok |
| 15:18.39 | kitu | asg: i want to make it non-writable for all the users beside my group |
| 15:18.44 | bernouli | is there any wlan-manager program other than kinternet and netapplet? |
| 15:18.45 | asg | k-s: check for the target in debian/rules that builds just that. |
| 15:18.57 | k-s | asg: ok |
| 15:19.00 | gba | bob2: I now opened the site and looked for libncurses5w but that doesn't worked (exist) |
| 15:19.07 | k-s | asg: I'll keep trying, thanks |
| 15:19.15 | asg | kitu: then make the directory ownable by some user, your group and make sure the setgid bit is set on the directory (also, verify all users have umask 007) |
| 15:19.17 | bob2 | gba: that's weird |
| 15:19.29 | Kraig | that's so usefull... |
| 15:19.30 | gba | bob2: and now i am at nurses page at that http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/ncurses.html |
| 15:19.31 | Gnea | honschu: http://mxhaard.free.fr/snoopy.html |
| 15:19.34 | Gnea | honschu: there ya go |
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| 15:19.49 | honschu | Gnea: thx, but isn't this snoopy for win32? |
| 15:20.12 | gba | this page should have a good manual page so that new users can understand what all that informations mean |
| 15:20.14 | asg | !wikifaq kitu Permissions |
| 15:20.15 | dpkg | kitu: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 15:20.53 | Gnea | er |
| 15:21.18 | bernouli | i type netapplet, but nothing happens |
| 15:21.27 | Gnea | honschu: you're right, i'm an idiot.. sec |
| 15:21.35 | honschu | Gnea: No Problem |
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| 15:22.25 | ogranig | hello! has anyone an idea to do automount with an usb-stick? |
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| 15:22.31 | gba | bob2: now I am on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=ncurses and there is for example a outstanding bug 1 year and 180 days old . How can that be o_O ? |
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| 15:22.52 | brosio | Errors were encountered while processing, bootsplash-theme-newlinux, bootsplash-theme-pyro |
| 15:22.58 | brosio | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:23.04 | brosio | anyone could help ? |
| 15:23.19 | bob2 | gba: lots of packages have old bugs |
| 15:23.24 | bob2 | gba: dpkg has bugs from 10 years ago |
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| 15:23.36 | gba | bob2: ups |
| 15:23.40 | Gnea | honschu: http://usb-robot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:23.48 | ogranig | @brosio: to you`ve the boosplash-support in your kernel? |
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| 15:24.19 | bob2 | gba: it just means they're minor or hard to fix, or just that no one has put the effort in yet ;p |
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| 15:24.39 | brosio | ogranig, it isn't my problem |
| 15:24.47 | brosio | i want ro remove these package |
| 15:24.53 | brosio | only this |
| 15:24.56 | gba | bob2: aha, okay, I understand |
| 15:25.12 | Gnea | honschu: or check http://www.linux-usb.org/ for the tools section |
| 15:25.19 | honschu | Gnea: Thx, this sounds cool! |
| 15:25.32 | ogranig | @ brosio: hmm. maybe dpkg -purge ..... |
| 15:25.54 | asg | ogranig: there is a howto at debian-administration.org covering usb automounting |
| 15:25.57 | brosio | alrey try |
| 15:26.03 | brosio | it's the same |
| 15:26.16 | kitu | dr-xr-xrwx 10 root root 4096 1970-01-01 02:00 ftp this is my directory, and i want to make it dr--r--r-- |
| 15:26.16 | FarrisG | Am I correct in my understanding that x86_64 is crap and not worth the time/money/trouble? |
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| 15:26.29 | greycat | kitu: no. you don't. |
| 15:26.39 | greycat | !wikifaq kitu Permissions |
| 15:26.46 | Gnea | FarrisG: it's not crap, it's just not as widely known/in use and is still evolving |
| 15:26.46 | dpkg | kitu: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:26.52 | aurax_ | hello, is sarge netinstall comes with options to choose in the setup sequence like desktop (gnome,kde) etc... ? |
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| 15:27.02 | asg | aurax_: yes |
| 15:27.03 | kitu | dr-xr-xrwx 10 root root 4096 1970-01-01 02:00 ftp this is my directory, and i want to make it drwxr--r-- |
| 15:27.16 | kitu | not only readlable by the group |
| 15:27.16 | aurax_ | is apt part of the installation ? |
| 15:27.20 | asg | kitu: just read the permissions faq, all is wonderfully explained |
| 15:27.27 | Gnea | aurax_: yes |
| 15:27.28 | asg | aurax_: yes |
| 15:27.31 | aurax_ | ok cool :) |
| 15:27.32 | kitu | asg: i've umask 022 |
| 15:27.33 | aurax_ | thanks alote . |
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| 15:27.36 | kitu | but it didn't worked |
| 15:27.40 | Gnea | np |
| 15:27.48 | kitu | the dir is still dr-xr-xrwx |
| 15:27.50 | takatumi | aurax_: read the install guide. it'll help. |
| 15:27.55 | digitex3d | www.lunuxforumcommunity.tk |
| 15:27.56 | aurax_ | oki |
| 15:28.01 | asg | kitu: no, you don't understand permissions at all. greycat's faq will give you a helping hand. Read it first. |
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| 15:28.23 | Gnea | asg: hey are you familiar with the whole java-package thing? |
| 15:28.34 | digitex3d | italians? |
| 15:28.39 | FarrisG | If my boss won't approve getting an amd64 system, will a 64bit Xeon system allow me to run single processes that can address more than 4GB of RAM? |
| 15:28.46 | asg | Gnea: other than running make-jpkg; dpkg -i result, no. |
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| 15:28.58 | Gnea | fakeroot make-jpkg j2eesdk-1_4_01_2005Q1-linux.bin\&File\=j2eesdk-1_4_01_2005Q1-linux.bin <-- this doesn't create a .deb |
| 15:29.01 | directhex|work | FarrisG, if you install amd64 debian, yes |
| 15:29.21 | ogranig | @ asg: i`ve problems with: mount -fstype=vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbstick i get no error, but when i look into this folder, there`s nothing! |
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| 15:29.39 | directhex|work | FarrisG, though the memory interface on xeon sucks compared to opteron, so don't write any apps that rely on fast memory bandwidth |
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| 15:29.48 | FarrisG | directhex|work: amd64 debian on a Xeon system? That can't work, right? |
| 15:29.59 | directhex|work | FarrisG, em64t is a clone of amd64 |
| 15:29.59 | crashbg1 | i have 2 ISPs on 2 nics and if i ping somehost.com -I eth0 works, but -I eth1 doesnt? |
| 15:30.02 | asg | ogranig: what does /var/log/syslog say. Are you sure the stick has anything on it to read? |
| 15:30.14 | directhex|work | FarrisG, it works as well as athlon on i386 debian |
| 15:30.18 | crashbg1 | if i change the default gateway they switch places |
| 15:30.19 | FarrisG | directhex|work: I didn't know that. |
| 15:30.28 | ogranig | @asg: yes, there are some files on the stick! |
| 15:30.52 | asg | ogranig: hmmm, I don't know then. Check for errors in /var/log/syslog. Sorry. |
| 15:30.56 | crashbg1 | can someone help me |
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| 15:31.20 | Gnea | !tell crashbg1 about routing |
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| 15:32.22 | ogranig | @asg: thanks, but there`s nothing wrong |
| 15:32.22 | Gnea | oops |
| 15:32.28 | Gnea | that link broke |
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| 15:33.00 | wols | @would sarge run on a 2.2.x kernel? |
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| 15:33.38 | _SerhaT_ | wols: I guess it will.. as I had woody with 2.2 and upgraded to sarge.. had to install 2.4 later.. but it worked with 2.2 as far as I know |
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| 15:34.08 | wols | thanks |
| 15:34.20 | wols | maybe I can try this short for brains binary only kernel module then |
| 15:35.42 | phaedrus_ | problem is i cant install this wireless adapter |
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| 15:36.11 | dan2 | asg: ! |
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| 15:37.34 | Gnea | !routing |
| 15:37.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, routing is the Advanced Routing which can be found at http://lartc.org/ - all sorts of howtos and samples |
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| 15:38.23 | Mike | hey guys how do i force a package to uninstall? |
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| 15:38.30 | phaedrus_ | im trying to instal;l this us robotics 802.11g usb adapter in mepis and havnt been able to |
| 15:38.41 | Mike | i get this horrible error |
| 15:38.42 | Mike | Error: mod_throttle.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 15:38.47 | Gnea | !mepis |
| 15:38.48 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
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| 15:39.29 | Gnea | Mike: looks like a broken package |
| 15:39.40 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 15:39.47 | Mike | Gnea, yeah how do i uninstall it i dont need it |
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| 15:39.58 | Gnea | Mike: how are you trying to now? |
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| 15:40.09 | Mike | dpkg --purge |
| 15:40.20 | Gnea | you didn't apt-get remove first? |
| 15:40.24 | aurax_ | is there a complete repositories list ? |
| 15:40.34 | FarrisG | I just booted a stock debian amd64 smp kernel on a dual Xeon 3.2GHz machine. Any way to test how much memory this will allow a single process to address? |
| 15:40.38 | Gnea | !mirrors |
| 15:40.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mirrors is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 15:41.00 | Mike | Gnea, yeah |
| 15:41.04 | aurax_ | !repositories |
| 15:41.07 | Mike | Gnea, i got the error and try purge |
| 15:41.07 | aurax_ | uh |
| 15:41.08 | aurax_ | :P |
| 15:41.18 | aurax_ | can anyone hook me up with updates sources.list ? |
| 15:41.21 | Gnea | Mike: dunno then.. |
| 15:41.23 | asg | aurax_: /usr/lib/base-config/Mirrors.masterlist |
| 15:41.30 | aurax_ | ok |
| 15:41.38 | asg | aurax_: or type apt-setup |
| 15:41.42 | aurax_ | ok |
| 15:41.44 | aurax_ | thx |
| 15:41.55 | Gnea | Mike: never seen that one - try searching google for "does not have a corresponding .info file" |
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| 15:43.28 | Coffee | can someone help installing soundcard... alsaconf does not recognize it :( |
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| 15:43.47 | shingouz | Coffee: what are you installing it on? |
| 15:44.03 | Coffee | on kanotix |
| 15:44.21 | Gnea | !kanotix |
| 15:44.23 | dpkg | i guess kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) |
| 15:44.36 | Coffee | GRRRR :((( |
| 15:44.50 | Gnea | don't grrr, go to #kanotix and get some proper help |
| 15:44.58 | Coffee | is there alsa in debian? |
| 15:45.05 | Coffee | kk |
| 15:45.29 | greycat | of course there's alsa |
| 15:45.32 | Gnea | yeah but this is debian, not kanotix, they probably have a modified method |
| 15:45.46 | Coffee | so what's problem? |
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| 15:45.51 | Coffee | ok |
| 15:45.57 | greycat | problem is you're in the wrong channel |
| 15:46.08 | Gnea | heh |
| 15:46.43 | shingouz | why, oh why... |
| 15:46.49 | K_Dallas | one reason people come here and ask all their questions is that there are just too many users here and it is an active chan ;) |
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| 15:47.12 | Gnea | K_Dallas: or they just don't know any better ;) |
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| 15:47.21 | K_Dallas | ;) |
| 15:47.33 | exerd | hi i need help how do mount my usb 1.0 mp3player. |
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| 15:47.44 | alexmacy | hi |
| 15:47.45 | asg | exerd: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 15:47.46 | alexmacy | i'm looking for a GPL equivalent of visualroute, any idea? |
| 15:47.47 | Gnea | exerd: you plugged it in? what happened? |
| 15:47.49 | K_Dallas | for general questions there is always ##linux which is pretty active as well |
| 15:47.53 | exerd | Gnea, nothing |
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| 15:48.09 | Gnea | exerd: oh, dmesg didn't have anything to say? lsusb turned up dry? |
| 15:48.16 | shingouz | K_Dallas: and probably pretty much clueless when it comes to debs i guess |
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| 15:48.32 | exerd | Gnea, drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: input irq status -71 received |
| 15:48.44 | Gnea | exerd: what kernel is that? |
| 15:48.46 | K_Dallas | shingouz, you mean the guys in ##linux? well not necessarily but i have got lots of help there so |
| 15:48.59 | exerd | Gnea, 2.6.11.7 |
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| 15:49.16 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 15:49.17 | K_Dallas | i try to use both chans to reduce the load i impose on each ;) |
| 15:49.18 | Gnea | exerd: compiled yourself? is usb compiled into the kernel or modular? |
| 15:49.22 | K_Dallas | heya gypsymauro |
| 15:49.23 | gypsymauro | there is some problem with the non-free archives? |
| 15:49.27 | shingouz | K_Dallas: i am not saying they are cluelsss in general just that when it comes to debian systems the advice may be not 100% correct |
| 15:49.29 | asg | gypsymauro: /topic |
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| 15:49.38 | Gnea | gypsymauro: no problem, it simply does not exist anymore |
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| 15:49.47 | gypsymauro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.53 | K_Dallas | shingouz, true that is why i said: general questions, linux question in general |
| 15:50.00 | asg | gypsymauro: no, /msg dpkg crypt in main |
| 15:50.00 | exerd | Gnea, yes its compiled into kernel. it worked yesterday... i did mkdir /mnt/mp3spelare1 && mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/mp3spelare1 |
| 15:50.02 | gypsymauro | non-free not non us |
| 15:50.04 | asg | gypsymauro: no, /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 15:50.09 | shingouz | K_Dallas: you are right there |
| 15:50.12 | gypsymauro | ah opk |
| 15:50.15 | gypsymauro | ok sorry |
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| 15:50.30 | solomonn | non free is in main now too |
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| 15:50.34 | solomonn | :D |
| 15:50.35 | Gnea | exerd: ah that's your problem then - recompile and make your usb shiznit modular. |
| 15:50.43 | K_Dallas | ;) there are nice people there too i even use ubuntu for semi-debian questions ;) |
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| 15:50.57 | gregj | Hi folks |
| 15:50.58 | asg | gypsymauro: non-free by default isn't added to sarge's sources.list |
| 15:51.04 | exerd | Gnea, hmm but i in a hurry and need some things to the player.. |
| 15:51.06 | Gnea | gypsymauro: oh ok, sorry i misread |
| 15:51.11 | gregj | after upgrade to "new" stable, I ahve problems with postfix+sasl auth |
| 15:51.16 | gregj | i get fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 15:51.17 | Gnea | exerd: *shrug* do a make -j4 |
| 15:51.20 | shingouz | K_Dallas: that makes you only a semi-dweebian then ;) |
| 15:51.21 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.33 | gregj | havn't found any resolutions to this problem via google |
| 15:51.40 | exerd | Gnea, what? |
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| 15:51.46 | gypsymauro | well I've added it manually, I need it for sl-modem-source that's not free, in the main isn't present |
| 15:51.59 | Gnea | exerd: when you recompile the kernel, instead of just 'make', do a 'make -j4' it will compile faster |
| 15:52.03 | asg | gypsymauro: what source are you using (paste that one line) |
| 15:52.06 | exerd | Gnea, ok |
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| 15:52.29 | aurax_ | i tried to burn the sarge netinstaller with k3b and it wont boot from there, |
| 15:52.30 | K_Dallas | shingouz, i have noticed an annoying bug in the combination of gmd and gnome. If I install gdm, when i start gnome or any other desktops, i get a cross, mouse like, in the middle of screen. If i install xdm or no dm at all it does not happen. Should i report it? It was in sarge-testing and in stable |
| 15:52.39 | aurax_ | any special commands to make it bootable ? |
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| 15:52.53 | asg | gregj: well, first start looking at /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* to see if the upgrade changed anything or whether there are things you need to do. |
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| 15:53.04 | gypsymauro | deb http://debian.fastweb.it/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 15:53.12 | K_Dallas | shingouz, i love debian and the support system, but i will probably never be a debianian in the pure sense so i am happy with what i have got here ;) |
| 15:53.16 | accel | is there a special trick to getting 2 network cards running on different ip addresses working? |
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| 15:53.22 | shingouz | K_Dallas: no idea what the problem is with the gdm |
| 15:53.27 | gregj | asg: all configuration looks ok, on manual check |
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| 15:53.31 | asg | gypsymauro: did you 'apt-get update' afterwards? |
| 15:53.36 | Gnea | !tell accel about interfaces |
| 15:53.40 | shingouz | K_Dallas: you do know that i am just yanking your chain, don't you |
| 15:53.53 | gypsymauro | asg: of course but it srops at non free packages |
| 15:53.55 | gypsymauro | stops |
| 15:54.02 | asg | gypsymauro: then try a different mirror |
| 15:54.06 | K_Dallas | shingouz, sure :) |
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| 15:54.23 | aurax_ | anyone here burned sarge netinstaller with k3b ? |
| 15:54.37 | asg | aurax_: try #debian-kde, they most likely have |
| 15:54.45 | samuel | sup all |
| 15:54.48 | QUACH-214 | how can i check the total hard disk space and the rest free hard disk? |
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| 15:54.50 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 15:55.03 | j_k | QUACH-214: df |
| 15:55.04 | Spec | QUACH-214: df -h |
| 15:55.05 | shingouz | QUACH-214: df -h |
| 15:55.07 | Gnea | QUACH-214: df -Th |
| 15:55.08 | aurax_ | thanks |
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| 15:55.15 | Spec | QUACH-214: man df |
| 15:55.24 | samuel | i want to install a linux into the system of a friend of mine who has no experience with linux what so ever... |
| 15:55.26 | samuel | any ideas as to what distro to use? |
| 15:55.26 | js | if i want a ps that only allows a user to check his own processes, do i need to compile my own version of it? |
| 15:55.39 | Spec | samuel: considering this is #debian... |
| 15:55.43 | shingouz | samuel: you are in #debian now, what do you think the answer is? |
| 15:55.46 | K_Dallas | shingouz, the solution for that problem that i have been given in ubuntu is to add this line to my general video section of XF86config |
| 15:55.47 | j_k | samuel: what do you think we're going to answer? |
| 15:55.48 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.49 | asg | gypsymauro: hmmm, you might check the bts to see if someone reported a similar problem. (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 15:56.18 | gypsymauro | asg: tnx |
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| 15:56.23 | shingouz | K_Dallas: that sounds like a good solution. you do have to remember that if you hack the config dpkg-reconfigure does not work anymore |
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| 15:56.24 | pif | when launching "screen" from crontab it complains "must be connected to terminal", any option to use? |
| 15:56.28 | samuel | Spec, shingouz, j_k hmmmmm............ |
| 15:56.28 | samuel | Spec, shingouz, j_k, fair enough... |
| 15:56.38 | shingouz | !d-i samuel |
| 15:56.39 | gregj | second problem is never finished postgres upgrade, which went sucesfully, but it couldn't start on apt-get, so now I get this attempt to finish instalation on every apt-get install |
| 15:56.48 | Spec | ooo, i wanna stream trance from d-i now :p |
| 15:56.50 | shingouz | damn... |
| 15:56.55 | K_Dallas | shingouz, that is what i have been reading here but this time i have no dm so no need to add it manually |
| 15:56.57 | shingouz | !tell samuel about d-i |
| 15:56.59 | dpkg | samuel, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:57.00 | gregj | how can I tell apt-get system that postgres is already done, and do not attempt to do anything ? |
| 15:57.05 | caphuso | pif: start it in detached mode |
| 15:57.10 | pif | right, |
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| 15:57.53 | gregj | asg: cool, I was missing libsasl2-modules, thanks mate |
| 15:57.56 | j_k | gregj: you mean, you installed it by hand ? |
| 15:58.01 | gregj | nope |
| 15:58.04 | gregj | I've upgraded it |
| 15:58.04 | pif | caphuso : thansk |
| 15:58.05 | gregj | and it works |
| 15:58.07 | samuel | thing with debian is that many times i have had to edit text files to do configs, while i quite like that, i was wondering if anyone knew of something more like "windows" but not lindows |
| 15:58.15 | shingouz | K_Dallas: i am not saying that hacking the config is not allowed, just that if you do it drxx does not work anymore. most of my systems have hand-hacked files on it as i have a bit odd hardware choices that are not really supported by drxx |
| 15:58.21 | j_k | gregj: and what's wrong with apt? |
| 15:58.30 | gregj | but I get all the time something like :dpkg: error processing postgresql (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 15:58.33 | oKtosiTe | Can anyone suggest an easy-to-learn(tm) server-client automated backup system available in Debian? |
| 15:58.35 | gregj | for postgres |
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| 15:59.00 | gregj | and I want to tell dpkg/apt-get that this thing is installed ok, so he shouldn't do thhat everytime I try to install something else |
| 15:59.03 | shingouz | samuel: depends on the hardware your friend is running really. if he has something that is considered a "normal desktop" you should not have any problems with the configs |
| 15:59.22 | j_k | gregj: are there errors before that message ? |
| 15:59.41 | K_Dallas | shingouz, i see. i am really happy to see my black consol when i login ;) specially that i have installed the debian-red-logo for it so it looks pretty cool, like systems i used to work on under unix and risc, brings back old good memories ;) |
| 15:59.45 | gregj | j_k: nope |
| 15:59.47 | samuel | shingouz, its a rather old system he wants to try linux in, id say 97 or 98 when he got that |
| 16:00.19 | gregj | j_k: it was complaining earlier about not being able to executte some scripts |
| 16:00.20 | shingouz | samuel: so? i do not have one single system from this millennium |
| 16:00.26 | gregj | access denied, or something like that |
| 16:00.32 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk, jethro, takatumi now! |
| 16:00.40 | shingouz | K_Dallas: CLI is good for you |
| 16:00.43 | H2OyJaBoN | how to up adsl conection on boot? |
| 16:00.48 | tarzeau | anyone who wants to play the LostLevels of Bubble Bobble, join #bub-n-bros now. http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 16:00.52 | gregj | it's odd, I get that sometimes, even thou script is ok, it tells me that /bin/bash is bad, or something like that |
| 16:00.58 | stouset | Bubble bobble! |
| 16:01.04 | Gnea | egads... the alioth system has gone downhill |
| 16:01.13 | K_Dallas | CLI? What is that shingouz ? |
| 16:01.17 | shingouz | H2OyJaBoN: depends on how the thing is connected. more info needed. ethernet? usb? internal? |
| 16:01.30 | shingouz | K_Dallas: ask dpkg ;) |
| 16:01.32 | samuel | shingouz, sorry, im asking if that would be a "normal desktop" |
| 16:01.32 | H2OyJaBoN | shingouz, eth0 adsl |
| 16:01.34 | K_Dallas | ok ;) |
| 16:01.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: now what? |
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| 16:01.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: bub-n-bros? |
| 16:01.49 | samuel | shingouz, i think its a stock gateway |
| 16:01.52 | shingouz | samuel: i think it is. unless it is an old server or laptop |
| 16:01.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I thought you quit bub-n-bros |
| 16:02.03 | shingouz | samuel: should run without any bigger problems |
| 16:02.07 | samuel | shingouz, desktop |
| 16:02.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: we found 300 new levels ;) |
| 16:02.19 | samuel | shingouz, ok, thanks, ill get sarge for him now |
| 16:02.21 | samuel | thanks |
| 16:02.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: HAHAHAHAHAA MWAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 16:02.27 | shingouz | samuel: i use an old server as my desktop.. ;) |
| 16:02.29 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yeah bub-n-bros :) |
| 16:02.29 | Gnea | tarzeau: oh man... |
| 16:02.30 | j_k | gregj: wow, weird. |
| 16:02.30 | K_Dallas | i see :) yeah, that is why MS is bringing it to its main platform :) command-line is still the best |
| 16:02.33 | Coffee | can someone help installing soundcard ? |
| 16:02.35 | tarzeau | Gnea: haha :) |
| 16:02.42 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: the lost levels and dreamland is so damn cool! |
| 16:02.48 | K_Dallas | well gotta go do some BBQing, thank you guys and see you later |
| 16:02.48 | tarzeau | don't miss it. man! |
| 16:02.50 | shingouz | Coffee: di dyou already install Debian? |
| 16:02.55 | asg | Coffee: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 16:03.07 | shingouz | heh |
| 16:03.12 | Coffee | sec |
| 16:03.20 | H2OyJaBoN | shingouz, eth0 adsl |
| 16:03.32 | gregj | j_k: bash: /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql.postinst: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 16:03.36 | gregj | j_k: something like that |
| 16:03.37 | Gnea | hrm, i gotta get a grill |
| 16:03.37 | asg | !bad interpreter |
| 16:03.38 | dpkg | bad-interpreter is, like, a wrong #! line in a script, or script is in crlf - which is the case, if 'od -b filename|grep 015' returns something; ask me about crlf->unix - or script is not executable (use chmod +x on it), or script is on a partition mounted with the noexec (mounting with "user" implies that) option. |
| 16:03.43 | shingouz | H2OyJaBoN: nice. how is the damn thing connected to your box is what i need to know |
| 16:03.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: 300 new levels is just crazy |
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| 16:04.12 | Gnea | wasn't it at 100? |
| 16:04.16 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: YAY :) |
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| 16:04.23 | gregj | yeah, but I didn't wrote that script! it's from debian, right |
| 16:04.24 | tarzeau | Gnea: yes but we found new level packs, hehe :) |
| 16:04.35 | tarzeau | Gnea: ALL YOUR ICE CREAM ARE BELONG TO ME! |
| 16:04.39 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im grilling dragons |
| 16:04.40 | Gnea | hahaaha |
| 16:04.42 | asg | gregj: well, check if it is broken and, if so, file a bug. |
| 16:04.51 | gregj | oops, it's mounted with no exec |
| 16:04.52 | gregj | :| |
| 16:04.53 | gregj | my fault |
| 16:05.19 | caspercba | i have 52 modules loaded, and i got 95% memory used, how can i unload them? |
| 16:05.23 | bob2 | tarzeau: do you have good ice cream in switzerland? |
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| 16:05.31 | gregj | but I have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf with Pre-Invoke and post-invoke that suppose to remount this part with exec |
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| 16:05.36 | bob2 | caspercba: it's extraordinarily unlikely the modules are using a significant amount of ram |
| 16:05.40 | shingouz | caspercba: modprobe -r (man modprobe) |
| 16:05.40 | oKtosiTe | I have exim4, mailutils-pop3d installed, but there are no /var/mail/ directories, what's going on? |
| 16:05.43 | tarzeau | bob2: the best. sprüngli. mövenpick. ALL. ALL! |
| 16:05.44 | stouset | caspercba: Don't worry about it, and don't do it. |
| 16:05.45 | H2OyJaBoN | shingouz, PPPOE ? |
| 16:05.46 | bob2 | caspercba: run "free -m" and look at the +/- line |
| 16:05.48 | tarzeau | bob2: but join bub-n-bros :) |
| 16:06.06 | stouset | caspercba: 95% memory used is not a problem. More than likely, 80% of that is just cache which gets dumped when something needs the memory. |
| 16:06.12 | shingouz | H2OyJaBoN: i do not know. how is the damn thing *physically* connected to your computer? |
| 16:06.13 | vezult | does postifix do its own log rotation? |
| 16:06.30 | stouset | caspercba: Not to mention, the modules are doubtfully using even a meg. |
| 16:06.35 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: best game, isn't it? |
| 16:06.42 | caspercba | bob2: shingouz: but they're eating my ram, ihave only 120mbram, and 110mb are used |
| 16:06.43 | asg | vezult: if it doesn't, check /etc/logrotate.d/postfix |
| 16:06.45 | j_k | gregj: maybe it takes some time to take effect? |
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| 16:06.56 | tarzeau | RichiH: WHOA you're in too! and you doubled the monsters. loolz |
| 16:07.03 | vezult | asg: it doesnt exist, which is why I asked. |
| 16:07.13 | bob2 | caspercba: no, they're not |
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| 16:07.24 | bob2 | caspercba: run "free -m", look at the +/- line |
| 16:07.26 | asg | vezult: then presumably it does (or it logs to /var/log/mail* which is rotated by logrotate) |
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| 16:07.44 | RichiH | tarzeau: did not |
| 16:07.47 | caspercba | bob2: total: 108 used: 107 |
| 16:07.53 | caspercba | free:1 |
| 16:07.59 | asg | !free memory |
| 16:08.00 | bob2 | caspercba: and why do you think kernel modules are using it? |
| 16:08.07 | vezult | asg: thanks |
| 16:08.08 | shingouz | caspercba: bob2 does have a clue, listen to him |
| 16:08.12 | asg | vezult: you're welcome |
| 16:08.13 | tarzeau | waaaaa my sweets |
| 16:08.15 | gregj | j_k: but shouldn't dpkg issue these commands, and wait ? |
| 16:08.17 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 16:08.24 | gregj | j_k: it used to work |
| 16:08.43 | caspercba | cos, i'm not running even gnome or kde, only fluxbox |
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| 16:09.29 | caspercba | bob2: free -m says also: chached: 35 |
| 16:09.30 | stouset | LOL |
| 16:09.41 | caspercba | bob2: what does it mean |
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| 16:09.47 | stouset | caspercba: Listen to bob2. run free -m, and tell us what the -/+ buffers/cache: line says |
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| 16:09.55 | stouset | Not the mem: line |
| 16:09.57 | bob2 | caspercba: that means 35MB of your ram is used for disk cache |
| 16:09.58 | stouset | the buffers/cache line |
| 16:10.03 | bob2 | caspercba: it will be freed if programs need it |
| 16:10.11 | sep | christor: you failed! in reading the documentation, and in editing the apt-mirror config file. |
| 16:10.26 | cmihai | Yep, hell, mine is caching 660MB :) |
| 16:10.36 | stouset | Mine is only caching 243 :-( |
| 16:10.42 | caspercba | bob2: i've seen computers using 66mb with xserver |
| 16:10.46 | cmihai | 1GB RAM :) |
| 16:10.54 | bob2 | caspercba: sure |
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| 16:11.15 | stouset | caspercba: That's nice. Your computer's RAM is full because it's all in caches. |
| 16:11.23 | stouset | caspercba: Which will be flushed when RAM is needed. |
| 16:11.37 | stouset | caspercba: This is a *good* thing, and speeds your computer up. |
| 16:11.57 | caspercba | stouset: so there is nothing to do with this |
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| 16:12.16 | shingouz | caspercba: there is nothing you *should* do about it |
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| 16:12.26 | stouset | caspercba: So what bob2 and I are saying is that there's nothing you should do. It's not a problem. |
| 16:12.33 | asg | caspercba: or run a BSD kernel |
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| 16:13.03 | stouset | caspercba: People see 100% memory usage and get worried, but this is a good thing. If your memory isn't being used, what's it there for? |
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| 16:13.38 | cmihai | caspercba: would it be better if it swaps everything like windows, while there's 900MB free ? |
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| 16:13.54 | caspercba | stouset: ok thank you, the problem is that i have and old harddisk, 2Gb very slow, so when memory gets full , my pc start doing things very slow |
| 16:14.30 | paulswm | 100% memory usage is a Good Thing. 100% swap usage is Not A Good Thing. |
| 16:14.32 | sussudio | meh? |
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| 16:14.54 | cmihai | Actually, I got mine to 1GB ram and 2.5GB swap used :) |
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| 16:15.06 | asg | cmihai: you ran a java program? |
| 16:15.10 | paulswm | cmihai, you maniac :P |
| 16:15.11 | shingouz | caspercba: have you taken a look at what stuff you run when it starts swapping hard? if you have mozilla, gnome and umpteen other big things running there you need a bunch of ram |
| 16:15.12 | cmihai | Hahahaha |
| 16:15.23 | cmihai | asg: ....yeah, java && oracle :) |
| 16:15.27 | asg | cmihai: heh |
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| 16:15.49 | caspercba | shingouz: i didn't install gnome or kde, only fluxbox |
| 16:16.02 | cmihai | Pity I didn't find any mono stuff :) |
| 16:16.39 | shingouz | caspercba: geee.... openoffice and mozilla then. at the same time. i mean many big programs at the same time and you will run out of ram never mind how much you have |
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| 16:16.43 | FieldySnuts | @poop |
| 16:16.44 | stouset | caspercba: right, but does it actually get to swap? |
| 16:16.54 | stouset | caspercba: It shows 95% memory usage, but are you swapping a lot? |
| 16:17.51 | caspercba | thank you guys, i didn't know how to read cached, now it's not caching, it gets slow, when i run, xmms,vlc, nmapfe, some editors and 1 mozilla with 8 tabs opened |
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| 16:18.12 | asg | caspercba: how much total memory do you have? |
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| 16:18.46 | caspercba | stouset: it's not swaping now, you are right guys, i have 108mb, 65mb used |
| 16:19.00 | cmihai | I guess grub didn't want to install on my SATA disks (raid). I guess it's ok to do dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 , right ? |
| 16:19.06 | caspercba | asg: 108 total, 65 used, 43 free |
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| 16:19.17 | shingouz | caspercba: one mozilla with 8 tabs eats up a lot of ram |
| 16:19.20 | asg | caspercba: well, mozilla and X are memory heavy |
| 16:19.33 | stouset | caspercba: :-) |
| 16:19.39 | stouset | cmihai: If the disks are the same size. |
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| 16:19.50 | cmihai | stouset: what's that got to do with it ?! |
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| 16:20.05 | caspercba | ok i got it, cached means free ram. |
| 16:20.07 | cmihai | bs=512 -> MBR, count=1 -> just the MBR |
| 16:20.17 | stouset | cmihai: Ah, duh :-P |
| 16:20.23 | cmihai | more like 460 or something, 512 is ok. |
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| 16:20.28 | stouset | cmihai: In that case, I have no clue. Sorry, I didn't think about the count. |
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| 16:20.40 | cmihai | Just wondering if it's ok on software RAID on SATA disks... |
| 16:20.52 | jair | hello my good friends |
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| 16:20.57 | caspercba | so my system is no too bad, do you think i would optimize it if i compile mozilla xfree to 686 instead of i383 |
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| 16:21.01 | cmihai | Trying to move grub from an ata disk to the sata's ...so I won't need the ATA to boot. |
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| 16:21.02 | stouset | cmihai: Couldn't tell you. No clue. |
| 16:21.05 | stouset | caspercba: Not really. |
| 16:21.07 | jair | how are you doing today? |
| 16:21.15 | shingouz | caspercba: just use firefox or galeon instead |
| 16:21.18 | stouset | caspercba: That might save a few CPU cycles, but it won't do anything for memory. |
| 16:21.21 | cmihai | Ok, then. I'll back up my mbr, try && see. |
| 16:21.27 | stouset | shingouz: epiphany, not Galeon :-) |
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| 16:21.36 | shingouz | stouset: whatever :) |
| 16:21.39 | jair | I am in the battle of make my "R51 new laptop work perfecly with debian sarge" |
| 16:21.51 | jair | anyone here have a sarge installed ina IBM R51 |
| 16:21.52 | asg | jair: have you consulted tuxmobile.org yet? |
| 16:21.52 | jair | ? |
| 16:21.52 | stouset | cmihai: Yeah. dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr_backup bs=512 count=1 |
| 16:21.58 | paulswm | Firefox, not epiphany~ |
| 16:21.59 | caspercba | ok, i using mozilla-firefox already, i tried Dillo and Chimera too |
| 16:21.59 | pder | debian do not run on laptop |
| 16:22.01 | paulswm | ! |
| 16:22.04 | stouset | paulswm: Bah. |
| 16:22.05 | jair | yes my friend but the page do nit open |
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| 16:22.16 | jair | asg, the page is down for some reason |
| 16:22.16 | stouset | pder: debian do run on laptop |
| 16:22.24 | paulswm | stouset: couldn't resist :P |
| 16:22.24 | cmihai | stouset: yup, that was my intention. I'll let you know if it works :) |
| 16:22.25 | asg | pder: runs just fine on my 2 |
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| 16:22.38 | caspercba | thank you a lot guys |
| 16:22.48 | pder | debian do not run on computer |
| 16:23.08 | shingouz | pder: so what does it do then? |
| 16:23.39 | ogranig | @pder: good jokes, keep on going |
| 16:23.43 | asg | jair: works perfectly fine from here |
| 16:24.00 | asg | pder: just go away and stop being a moron. Thanks. |
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| 16:24.42 | Glanzmann | How can I configure exim to deliver eMail (eg when someone has a .forward in his home; but don't listen on smtp)? |
| 16:24.45 | gregj | now that I have postfix using sasl, I can't get sasl to actualy be used anyway, auth's failing all the time |
| 16:24.47 | Glanzmann | But without a smarthost? |
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| 16:24.53 | pder | asg: piss off |
| 16:25.05 | bob2 | pder: stop it |
| 16:25.14 | gregj | does the pwcheck_method: pwcheck in /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf still works ? |
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| 16:25.18 | ogranig | @pder: come on, go away! |
| 16:25.28 | solomonn | pder do not manners on #debian |
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| 16:25.37 | asg | jair: granted, all the debian information is in spanish or german but R50 links should give you a leg up. |
| 16:25.55 | Glanzmann | I think, that I just install sendmail |
| 16:25.58 | Glanzmann | Exim sucks anyway. |
| 16:25.59 | jair | asg, thank you very much I have a R51 though |
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| 16:26.10 | jair | asg, and it is ok for me in "english" |
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| 16:26.19 | pder | ogranig: stop being a dick |
| 16:26.20 | stouset | Glanzmann: Bah, postfix. |
| 16:26.20 | asg | jair: well, they can't be that different. Also, the info from other distros will be helpful too. |
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| 16:26.25 | jair | asg, I will know spanish too but my lamguage is portuguese. |
| 16:26.31 | bob2 | pder: are you done? |
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| 16:26.42 | pder | bob2: done with what? |
| 16:26.42 | asg | jair: ah, a little different. |
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| 16:27.01 | bob2 | pder: being annoying |
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| 16:27.14 | jair | asg, ok I will be checking it too. I really appreciate your help but I can give you some of the symtoms I have you may have the same problem or similar. |
| 16:27.15 | pder | bob2: why don't you ignore me if you find me annoying? |
| 16:27.17 | gregj | some docs suggests that I should use "pwcheck_method: saslauthd" but that doesn't work either |
| 16:27.30 | rking | anyone know why exim is preferred in debian over postfix? |
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| 16:27.33 | paulswm | pder: You are probaly close to your last warning. You're skating on thin ice. |
| 16:27.40 | ogranig | pder: what di you want? |
| 16:27.40 | paulswm | TOld you :P |
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| 16:27.54 | bob2 | rking: historical reasons, as far as I know...exim3 became the default before postfix existsed, afaik |
| 16:27.55 | asg | jair: well, you are welcome to start asking away in channel and we'll do what we can to help. If you need to paste a lot, use our paster bot (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 16:28.03 | jasoncohen | isn't it strange that there have been no security updates since june 3rd- especially considering that there are many open bugs in sarge affecting sudo, gaim, and tcpdump among others |
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| 16:28.14 | rking | bob2: aha |
| 16:28.17 | jair | asg, I will be back in one sec. |
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| 16:28.28 | P-K | If I have xeon processors should I choose the Pentium-4 for my CPU family in a 2.4 kernel build? |
| 16:28.39 | bob2 | P-K: if it's a modern xeon, yeah |
| 16:29.21 | P-K | bob2: I guess if the kernel fails I will know if its modern or not :) |
| 16:29.36 | bob2 | P-K: hehe |
| 16:29.39 | P-K | thanks! |
| 16:29.55 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure there were p3 xeons, but my memory may be sucking |
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| 16:30.18 | shingouz | bob2: i have seen a couple unless i am too much mistaken |
| 16:30.38 | furrywolf | there were p2 xeons too |
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| 16:31.42 | bob2 | oh, wow |
| 16:31.46 | bob2 | just more cache? |
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| 16:32.03 | solomonn | there were even 286 xeons |
| 16:32.14 | shingouz | solomonn: b/s |
| 16:32.17 | solomonn | hehe |
| 16:32.24 | solomonn | there were c64 xeons! |
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| 16:33.11 | shingouz | solomonn: go install some caffeine, will ya? ;) |
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| 16:33.44 | solomonn | there were xeon abacuses |
| 16:33.50 | asg | solomonn: and raided 1541 drives too |
| 16:33.53 | stouset | solomonn: I have a Difference Engine Xeon |
| 16:33.53 | Juanjo-ar | Hi |
| 16:33.55 | Juanjo-ar | I am using sarge |
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| 16:34.07 | Juanjo-ar | and I like to isntall an EPSON c63 usb printer |
| 16:34.37 | Juanjo-ar | can any one hlep me? |
| 16:34.37 | stouset | Juanjo-ar: Have you plugged it in? |
| 16:34.44 | Juanjo-ar | stouset: you mean the wire? |
| 16:34.58 | stouset | The USB cable. |
| 16:35.02 | stouset | Is it plugged in to your machine? |
| 16:35.02 | Juanjo-ar | YES |
| 16:35.07 | Juanjo-ar | I've doen |
| 16:35.09 | Juanjo-ar | done |
| 16:35.13 | solomonn | stouset: i had to wikipedia that first, but ha :P |
| 16:35.30 | tarzeau | takatumi: you don't join? |
| 16:35.34 | stouset | solomonn: Bah, what kind of geek are you? |
| 16:35.36 | asg | !babbagesmite solomonn |
| 16:35.40 | stouset | rofl |
| 16:35.45 | asg | bah |
| 16:35.45 | stouset | Juanjo-ar: Have you installed CUPS? |
| 16:35.50 | Juanjo-ar | stouset: should I use any config took? |
| 16:35.51 | solomonn | babbawhat? |
| 16:36.14 | Juanjo-ar | YES |
| 16:36.14 | asg | solomonn: nevermind |
| 16:36.14 | stouset | Yes, we'll get to that |
| 16:36.18 | stouset | Babbage. |
| 16:36.19 | solomonn | i, uh, once mad ea xeon sundial |
| 16:36.34 | stouset | solomonn: My DNA is Xeon. |
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| 16:36.51 | iciccmoi | hello all |
| 16:36.54 | solomonn | i've created a monster |
| 16:37.04 | FieldySnuts | !hire Phated |
| 16:37.14 | Juanjo-ar | stouset: how should I use CUPS know to config my printer? |
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| 16:37.40 | stouset | Do you use GNOME? |
| 16:37.40 | FieldySnuts | heh. puck. hockey. |
| 16:37.44 | hikenboot__ | does anyone know any alternatives to freepops for msn and yahoo mail? |
| 16:38.05 | stouset | fetchyahoo |
| 16:38.10 | stouset | mailreader |
| 16:38.27 | Juanjo-ar | I use gnome |
| 16:38.55 | Juanjo-ar | stouset: yes I do |
| 16:38.55 | stouset | Juanjo-ar: gnome-cups-manager is installed, yes? |
| 16:38.58 | hikenboot__ | thanks let me look em up |
| 16:39.03 | jair | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:39.50 | jair | I am sorry guys, I hate when i test something and came out like that. |
| 16:40.02 | stouset | It's okay. |
| 16:40.07 | jair | I gess I will not use anymore the dpkg paster |
| 16:40.09 | stouset | We'll just all look down on you from now on :-) |
| 16:40.21 | jair | until I learn how to use it |
| 16:40.25 | jair | ;( |
| 16:40.31 | stouset | Eh? The dpkg paster lets you paste something into it, and then link to it from here |
| 16:40.50 | solomonn | e/xec cat /dev/urandom | uuencode |
| 16:40.51 | solomonn | oopsy |
| 16:40.52 | jair | asg, I am sorry how do I paste more than one line using the dpkg paster? |
| 16:40.56 | shingouz | !babbagesmite asg |
| 16:41.04 | shingouz | asg: better now? |
| 16:41.14 | jair | they kick me out for flood |
| 16:41.22 | stouset | !paster |
| 16:41.23 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 16:41.37 | rking | jair: use "clipjoin" from http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/K/KI/KING/Clipboard-0.07.tar.gz - you'll also need xclip |
| 16:41.46 | jair | thank you stouset |
| 16:41.51 | paster | "stouset" at 216.199.70.171 pasted "This is how you paste!" (11 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/248 |
| 16:41.55 | asg | shingouz: heh |
| 16:42.03 | jair | rking, that is for what? |
| 16:42.11 | jair | rking, I will check it |
| 16:42.14 | asg | jair: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 16:42.23 | cmihai | You know when I said I'd let you know if moving the mbr from the ATA disk to the SATA disks in RAID would work? Well, it didn't. I just got a "GRUB.." promt, and that's it. When I boot from the install disk, the md devices are gone. |
| 16:42.25 | rking | jair: so your pastes come out on one line. |
| 16:42.31 | cmihai | Looks like it stores some data there... grrr |
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| 16:42.34 | rking | jair: or, yeah, you could use a paste server |
| 16:42.39 | paster | "jms" at 83.194.110.242 pasted "gnome metapackage" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/249 |
| 16:42.48 | cmihai | Even booting from the ATA disk doesn't work any more :( |
| 16:42.49 | stouset | cmihai: Ouch. |
| 16:43.04 | paster | "jms" at 83.194.110.242 pasted "gnome metapackage" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/250 |
| 16:43.08 | cmihai | Guess where I made the backup. |
| 16:43.09 | jair | rking, ohh ok or maybe I will be using pastebin.com or other place like those later i will test that other solutions. |
| 16:43.11 | stouset | cmihai: You know, I hadn't thought about it, but it probably doesn't store the MBR in the first block when you use software swap |
| 16:43.14 | jair | thank you anyway guys |
| 16:43.18 | cmihai | FLoppy ? no, too layz. |
| 16:43.28 | stouset | cmihai: Ouch. |
| 16:43.38 | cmihai | Too lay to use floppy ... |
| 16:43.39 | stouset | cmihai: Why doesn't the ATA disk work now? |
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| 16:43.44 | jms | http://channels.debian.net/paste/250?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
| 16:44.11 | stouset | cmihai: You didn't modify the ATA disk did you? |
| 16:44.14 | cmihai | The ATA disk works, I mean it should boot the debian system, but since I written the ATA's disk mbr on the SATA disks, it won't work any more. |
| 16:44.18 | cmihai | No, i did not. |
| 16:44.32 | cmihai | It's the same. That's the deal. I guess RAID stores some info in there... |
| 16:44.34 | stouset | Right. So where did you put the bcakup? |
| 16:44.36 | cmihai | That got nuked. |
| 16:44.36 | stouset | The ATA disk? |
| 16:44.40 | cmihai | Take a guess :) |
| 16:44.43 | stouset | Oh god. |
| 16:44.46 | stouset | On the SATA disks? |
| 16:44.56 | cmihai | yup, stupidity at it's best. |
| 16:45.00 | stouset | Ow. |
| 16:45.07 | stouset | I've done worse. |
| 16:45.12 | cmihai | Well, actualy I thought it would be a 50/50 chance, but I needed to repartition anyway :) |
| 16:45.24 | stouset | I used to work for a place, where we would back up the entire system onto a second hard disk that was normally umounted/unused. |
| 16:45.34 | stouset | It mounted into /var somewhere, I think. |
| 16:45.36 | cmihai | It was like: well, if this won't work, I won't care much about restoring, and just forget about RAID on /boot. |
| 16:45.48 | cmihai | heh |
| 16:45.50 | stouset | I was dicking around as root unfortunately, and needed to remove /var/somethingorother |
| 16:45.58 | stouset | and I did an rm -r /var /somethingorother |
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| 16:46.02 | cmihai | This was a fresh install anyway, .. |
| 16:46.06 | cmihai | OMG :) |
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| 16:46.13 | stouset | Would you guess it, but I did it AS THE BACKUP WAS RUNNING |
| 16:46.20 | asg | stouset: the evil space |
| 16:46.26 | cmihai | hahaa |
| 16:46.31 | stouset | Which meant that not only did I remove /var, but I nuked the backup, too. |
| 16:46.33 | stouset | All of them. |
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| 16:46.39 | cmihai | I love it when you can actually add the -r argument _after_ |
| 16:46.49 | stouset | There was like a two minute window in which this was possible. |
| 16:46.51 | stouset | And I did it. |
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| 16:46.59 | cmihai | Congrats :) |
| 16:47.05 | cmihai | I've seen people forget about count :) |
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| 16:47.19 | rking | cmihai: that's gnu utils for you. bsd, etc, are silly about where you can put options |
| 16:47.20 | cmihai | dd if=backup_mbr of=/dev/hda bs=512 |
| 16:47.22 | cmihai | that was fun :) |
| 16:47.59 | asg | cmihai: nothing better than having windows and linux boxes in a blade center with the screen showing windows login and the keyboard connected to the linux box. |
| 16:48.04 | jair | asg, I has been check the /boot/config-2..6.8-2 the /var/log/dmesg the /proc/acpi also install and reinstall the acpid package, reboot the machine with option acpi=off at grub and my machine still having nthe problem that do not turn off completely the fan, battery and wireless. but I will go check the tuxmobil site to see what can I find. |
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| 16:48.08 | phleg|meeting | cmihai: Hahaha |
| 16:48.12 | cmihai | lol :) |
| 16:48.42 | cmihai | Ah well, in 10 minutes it will be back where it was before. Godda love apt-get :) |
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| 16:48.49 | asg | jair: I'd do that, acpi is generally crap with linux. I've had good luck with apm and ibm R40s and older dells |
| 16:49.49 | cmihai | This time I put a /dev/sda1 (not raid), and put lilo on that. Can't fail! |
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| 16:50.10 | asg | cmihai: that's generally the safe accepted practice. |
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| 16:51.04 | dan2 | asg: I need a hot pizza right now |
| 16:51.09 | dan2 | and some beer |
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| 16:51.17 | cmihai | wdf,,, still doesnt wrok |
| 16:51.18 | asg | dan2: I need a sandwich. |
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| 16:51.56 | cmihai | It boots the old leftover grub. Godda nuke that. |
| 16:52.15 | cmihai | I wonder what dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 bs=512 count=1 would do now. |
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| 16:52.31 | jair | asg, I found something with sarge and the same kernel i am using a tuxmobil but is in deutsch I will have to translate and check. |
| 16:52.32 | jair | ;) |
| 16:52.41 | toad_ | i've found a bug in the bash completions code |
| 16:52.42 | cmihai | Probably something totally unpredictable. |
| 16:53.07 | toad_ | if you have extended completions in |
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| 16:53.21 | toad_ | and you do lvextend /dev/vgname<tab> |
| 16:53.30 | toad_ | then it will say something like this: |
| 16:53.43 | toad_ | awk: {if ($2 ~ /^/dev/vg/) print $2}<newline> ^ syntax error |
| 16:53.50 | toad_ | the reason for this is that the slash should be escaped |
| 16:53.59 | toad_ | i think i've found the code in the completions file which is responsible |
| 16:54.10 | toad_ | but i'm not sure how to fix it - just have a sed to make / into \/ ? |
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| 16:54.41 | toad_ | the line is COMPREPLY=( $( lvscan 2>/dev/null | awk -F"'" '{if ($2 ~ /^'$cur'/) print $2}' ) ) |
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| 16:56.57 | cmihai | godda love lilo. good old "lilo -M /dev/sda" saved the day...wish I would have done that before :( |
| 16:57.13 | solomonn | toad_: #bash might be helpful |
| 16:58.12 | toad_ | hmm fixing that just causes completion not to work at all... and beep at me |
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| 16:59.02 | myren | xmms really doesnt like me issueing an add directory command to a smbmount dir with some 7400 files in it. |
| 16:59.14 | myren | which is problematic becuse i'd rather prefer that it /would/ do that. |
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| 17:00.04 | myren | and why does top only list one process running? i'm running a dual processor machine. |
| 17:00.19 | myren | cat /proc/cpuinfo id's both processors |
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| 17:01.34 | toonX | is there a debian wiki or something like that? |
| 17:01.37 | cmihai | For the xmms thing, create playlists with 1000 files each tops |
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| 17:03.28 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 17:03.54 | stouset | Anyone have a clue when they're finally going to package eclipse 3 for Debian? |
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| 17:04.13 | Ungy | quick question since ntpdate won't run if ntpd is running which package can I remve to use ntpdate |
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| 17:06.28 | stouset | ntpdate runs before ntpd |
| 17:06.54 | toad_ | Ungy: /etc/init.d/ntp stop |
| 17:06.55 | toad_ | :) |
| 17:07.03 | toad_ | or ntp-simple stop or whatever |
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| 17:07.17 | Ungy | toad: etc/init.d/ntp-server stop |
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| 17:07.33 | Ungy | I guess I need to remvoe the ntp-server package |
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| 17:08.25 | valdyn | Ungy: you shouldnt use ntpdate directly to fix time on a running system.. |
| 17:09.19 | Ungy | and Valdyn why is that I have 5 servers I want them all synced I remove the ntp server off all but one and then poitn the rest to it hwo is that wrng |
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| 17:10.18 | valdyn | Ungy: ntp-simple will adjust time in steps to avoid problems, ntpdate will just set the time, even if that makes the time run backwards for programs ( which can cause problems ). |
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| 17:10.46 | Ungy | valdyn then why are all my servers out of sync? |
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| 17:10.57 | valdyn | Ungy: how should i know? |
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| 17:11.08 | india | hola |
| 17:12.01 | Ungy | not like it matters much if someone mail shows up 3 minutes before the last one |
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| 17:12.56 | jair | asg, this are the lines I have currently on my kernel "/boot/config-2.6.8-2.i686 regarding the acpi --->http://rafb.net/paste/results/ypE3Km49.html |
| 17:12.57 | fas3r | do u know what the command for make a screenshot |
| 17:13.14 | shingouz | fas3r: scrot is a good tool |
| 17:13.32 | fas3r | ok thank i go to see it |
| 17:13.53 | jair | asg, and then this one is how it looks on the R51 on the tuxmobil --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/0vi8ZZ40.html |
| 17:14.22 | jair | asg, should I just runa vi /boot/config-2.6.8-.... and type that there? |
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| 17:15.21 | valdyn | asg: R51 is supported (almost) perfectly.. ( acpi - wise ) |
| 17:15.50 | jair | valdyn, ok again hi... |
| 17:16.05 | jair | valdyn, this are the lines I have currently on my kernel "/boot/config-2.6.8-2.i686 regarding the acpi --->http://rafb.net/paste/results/ypE3Km49.html |
| 17:16.18 | jair | valdyn, and then this one is how it looks on the R51 on the tuxmobil --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/0vi8ZZ40.html |
| 17:16.28 | valdyn | jair: acpi has *nothing* to do with shutting down your thinkpad, i think I already said that... |
| 17:16.52 | jair | valdyn, then what do you think is the problem I am having? |
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| 17:17.06 | bob2 | valdyn: are you sure? in apm-land it did. |
| 17:17.12 | jair | valdyn, why my IBM do not shut down complete when I type halt. |
| 17:17.27 | bob2 | usure |
| 17:17.32 | jair | valdyn, why the fan, battery and wireless reamin on. ?? |
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| 17:17.42 | valdyn | bob2: im sure that i dont need acpi to shut down, i dont know if apm is needed. |
| 17:17.47 | bob2 | hrm |
| 17:18.00 | bob2 | I was pretty sure the "ac" acpi module controlled that |
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| 17:18.06 | bob2 | but now I think about it, I have no evidence for that |
| 17:18.18 | amphi | jair: why halt? why not swsusp & echo disk > /sys/power/state ? |
| 17:18.35 | amphi | jair: ie. suspend to disk |
| 17:18.37 | jair | bob2, did you check the line I typed |
| 17:18.54 | valdyn | bob2: im no shut what halt does, but i know that it has nothing to do with acpi ) |
| 17:19.00 | valdyn | bob2: im not sure what halt does, but i know that it has nothing to do with acpi ) |
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| 17:19.06 | bob2 | jair: I don't know what line you mean |
| 17:19.06 | umbop | hmm anyone here familiar with blade servers? |
| 17:19.08 | bob2 | valdyn: hrm, ok |
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| 17:19.46 | jair | amphi, hmmm but what about if I what to turn off the machine because I will not use it for a long time. |
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| 17:20.17 | bob2 | that is a good point |
| 17:20.31 | bob2 | we've probably reached the stage where you should be hibernating most of the time, not halting |
| 17:20.34 | amphi | jair: suspend to disk does turn the box off completely - it just comes up as you left next time you boot it |
| 17:20.34 | jair | bob2, this are the lines I have currently on my kernel "/boot/config-2.6.8-2.i686 regarding the acpi --->http://rafb.net/paste/results/ypE3Km49.html |
| 17:20.37 | bob2 | unless you're going to twiddle your hardware |
| 17:20.48 | jair | bob2, and then this one is how it looks on the R51 on the tuxmobil --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/0vi8ZZ40.html |
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| 17:21.07 | bob2 | I'd be kinda inclined to assume 2.6.8 had shit acpi support |
| 17:21.09 | jair | amphi, so what is the command I should use? |
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| 17:21.12 | bob2 | and just give 2.6.10 a go |
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| 17:21.21 | amphi | jair: if you do echo platform > /sys/power/disk before the other line, you can even have the flashing recent moon thing while it does its stuff ;) |
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| 17:21.31 | valdyn | jair: i would try different kernels to see if shutting down works, and dont bother doing anything to acpi till that works. acpi is irrelevant. |
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| 17:21.52 | jair | valdyn, ok |
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| 17:21.58 | amphi | jair: I have a hibernate acpi script bound to Fn-F12, the stinkpad suspend-to-disk hotkey |
| 17:22.10 | jair | the thing is that the latest kernel stable is 2.6.8-2 right? |
| 17:22.19 | valdyn | jair: once that works you can do what amphi sais, or i can help you with suspend to disk / ram. i just dont know why halt does not work for some people. |
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| 17:22.30 | amphi | jair: you need ibm-acpi support in the kernel as well as swsusp for acpid to get that key-combo |
| 17:22.49 | jair | valdyn, but not just halt "shutdown -h now" |
| 17:23.02 | jair | amphi, ohh ok |
| 17:23.06 | valdyn | jair: yea i know, but that calls "halt" |
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| 17:23.12 | jair | ohh ok |
| 17:23.20 | amphi | jair: all this worked fine with 2.6.10, 11, & now with 12 |
| 17:23.30 | amphi | jair: I'm using kernel.org kernels |
| 17:23.36 | bob2 | 2.6.12 seems broken in other ways |
| 17:24.01 | valdyn | jair: have you tried "halt -p" ? |
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| 17:24.22 | amphi | bob2: anything in particular? the ipw2200 driver wouldn't build against it without tweaking, but otherwise so far it seems ok on my T42 |
| 17:24.35 | bob2 | amphi: hm, some stuff broke udev, I hear |
| 17:24.38 | bob2 | and some scsi controllers |
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| 17:24.58 | ohad | how do i cause my laptop to go into hibernation when i close the screen? i have tried to install acpi but nothing is happening when i close the screen of my laptop |
| 17:25.00 | valdyn | bob2: and sblive value, but it 2.6.12 works well for me. |
| 17:25.04 | w00t | help help |
| 17:25.17 | w00t | how do i find this latop ip address |
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| 17:25.24 | amphi | bob2: ah - I'm still a static dev die-hard, and no scsi on this - I've kept my 2.6.11 in any case |
| 17:25.26 | rikva | w00t: ifconfig? |
| 17:25.36 | w00t | only on windows |
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| 17:25.41 | rikva | w00t: ipconfig? |
| 17:25.42 | bob2 | ohad: install acpi-support, fix /etc/acpi/events/lid or so to call whatever you want |
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| 17:25.49 | bob2 | amphi: ah |
| 17:25.57 | bob2 | valdyn: hm, I won't put it on my desktop yet then |
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| 17:26.08 | amphi | ohad: you need to make a script to swsusp on the lid close event |
| 17:26.09 | w00t | rikva:dont workl |
| 17:26.19 | rikva | w00t: in a commandline? |
| 17:26.23 | bob2 | (thanks, 'night) |
| 17:26.26 | w00t | rikva:yes |
| 17:26.26 | matjan_ | hi, is there anyone using DSL? if so, what modem are you using? i need to find one that's compatible with debian (ir linux in general)... |
| 17:26.33 | sepski | jair, amphi : i had a intel server board, that refused to do both reboot and halt, just hung when it should reboot/poweroff. the problem with reboot was a module ich2rom that shoudnt be loaded, the poweroff worked after i loaded the ac.ko module on boot (acpi i belive) |
| 17:26.43 | pfizur | woot: http://www.whatismyip.com/ |
| 17:27.01 | rikva | w00t: what is the error? besides i'm wondering why you ask this in a linux-oriented channel ;) |
| 17:27.11 | w00t | please some one can tell me how i get my ip address on linux |
| 17:27.17 | amphi | bob2: I tried 2.6.12 as it seemed to have some bugfixes for radeonfb |
| 17:27.21 | valdyn | w00t: ifconfig |
| 17:27.21 | jair | sepski, ;) |
| 17:27.28 | w00t | bash: ipconfig: command not found |
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| 17:27.32 | rikva | w00t: you just said windows. iFconfig. |
| 17:27.44 | jair | sepski, but I am using a laptop R51 i think is different though. but Thank you |
| 17:27.46 | w00t | bash: ipconfig: command not found |
| 17:27.46 | amphi | rikva: or plan 9 ;) |
| 17:27.54 | amphi | w00t: ifconfig ffs |
| 17:27.54 | rikva | amphi: plan 9? |
| 17:27.55 | stouset | Okay, I've submitted a ton of bug reports. |
| 17:28.01 | sepski | jair, fwiw |
| 17:28.02 | stouset | And half of them don't show at all in the BTS. |
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| 17:28.08 | stouset | Some of these were in May. |
| 17:28.08 | amphi | rikva: well, ip/ipconfig on plan9 |
| 17:28.14 | stouset | Not archived, not nowhere. |
| 17:28.15 | jair | valdyn, I will try that command you gave me right now. should i try to install another kernel? |
| 17:28.25 | w00t | ffs: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 17:28.29 | valdyn | jair: yea |
| 17:28.36 | stouset | Any clue why this would occur? |
| 17:28.37 | jair | but those kernels 2.6.10 are not for sarge right? |
| 17:28.41 | rikva | w00t: just type ifconfig eth0 |
| 17:28.59 | amphi | jair: I built mine from kernel.org src |
| 17:29.03 | valdyn | jair: thinkpad and acpi won't work well below 2.6.10 + patches iirc, i use 2.6.11 + some patches. |
| 17:29.03 | iLLf8d | hrm anyone here know of any good links that compare and contrast the security implications of usermodelinux vs chrooted services under debian? I'm no hacker/cracker and I was hoping to become more informed about their differences |
| 17:29.07 | jair | valdyn, I was looking into the kernel images for sarge and the latest one is 2.6.8-2 |
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| 17:29.13 | tarzeau | that's so fun! |
| 17:29.14 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/ |
| 17:29.21 | valdyn | jair: so aside your poweroff problem having a higher kernel is a good idea |
| 17:29.23 | w00t | rikva:not working :( |
| 17:29.31 | concept10 | matjan_, there are pleany of dsl modems that work with linux - you should do some searching |
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| 17:29.34 | rikva | w00t: then just type ifconfig |
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| 17:29.38 | valdyn | jair: use one from testing or sid. |
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| 17:30.02 | w00t | rikva: bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 17:30.03 | ohad | bob2, is acpi-support the name of the pkg? i already install acpid |
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| 17:30.13 | rikva | w00t: hmm, are you root? |
| 17:30.17 | jair | valdyn, but I can not install it running apt-get install kernel-image 2.6.10 |
| 17:30.17 | jair | hmmm |
| 17:30.17 | jair | testing sound good |
| 17:30.22 | amphi | valdyn: acpi worked fine here since 2.6.10 without any patches, FWIW |
| 17:30.26 | w00t | rikva:no |
| 17:30.27 | amphi | valdyn: T42 |
| 17:30.34 | rikva | w00t: then become it ;) |
| 17:30.39 | jair | valdyn, I will have to add a repository of testing on the apt- source list |
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| 17:30.58 | valdyn | amphi: yea, it works, but it wont poweroff your agp bus on suspend to ram, for example. |
| 17:31.02 | pder | i need to have the tc command in order to get my nic working correctly for an install. how can i build a statically linked binary of this? |
| 17:31.14 | w00t | rikva: thanks alot u just save my life |
| 17:31.19 | rikva | w00t: np |
| 17:31.40 | valdyn | amphi: thats a minor issue, as long as you don't want to suspend to ram overnight ) |
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| 17:31.54 | greycat | pder: build a normal binary of it, and when it gets to the last step, cut and paste that command, but stick a "-static" in the right place inside it. |
| 17:32.05 | greycat | pder: IYHTAYS |
| 17:32.05 | ogranig | hello! can anyone help me with autofs and usbstick? |
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| 17:32.41 | valdyn | jair: you could do that, however i recommend just grabbing kernel-image(s) from http://packages,debian.org/. That is what i do. |
| 17:32.45 | jair | sepski, btw what means fwiw |
| 17:32.59 | greycat | fuckin' hell... |
| 17:33.03 | pder | greycat: thanks, was that a stupid question? |
| 17:33.10 | dbeal | fwiw means for what it's worth, afaik |
| 17:33.10 | greycat | pder: a bit off topic here. |
| 17:33.27 | valdyn | jair: less tweaking that way to avoid getting unwanted packages from testing. |
| 17:33.29 | stouset | dbeal: afaik means as far as I know, fwiw |
| 17:33.31 | greycat | how can someone ask what fwiw means and then use btw in the same damned sentence? |
| 17:33.45 | pder | greycat: perhaps, but thanks anyway |
| 17:33.58 | Czesiu | hello |
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| 17:34.10 | eason | By the way is self explanitory, fwiw is just silly. |
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| 17:34.23 | stouset | eason: stfu |
| 17:34.27 | rue_mohr | apt find acroread |
| 17:34.27 | jair | valdyn, that is a good idea |
| 17:34.34 | eason | stouset: Bugger off, troll. |
| 17:34.36 | sepski | jair: for what it's worth |
| 17:34.39 | rue_mohr | dpkg find acroread |
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| 17:34.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'acroread' (4 of 15): (/usr/share/zsh/4.2.5/functions/Completion/X/_acroread) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/Crystal/apps/acroread.png) in x11/xffm4-icons ;; (/usr/share/scribus/doc/en/acroreader.html) in non-free/doc/scribus-doc ;; (/usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Office/acroread.desktop) in kde/kappfinder. |
| 17:34.54 | ogranig | i`ve some problems with autofs and an usb-stick! can anyone help me, please? |
| 17:34.58 | jair | valdyn, ok so I just go to: http://packages,debian.org/ and then download the packages, after that i put it anywhere on the system? |
| 17:34.58 | FieldySnuts | !hire eason |
| 17:35.06 | jair | sepski, ;) |
| 17:35.15 | stouset | FieldySnuts: You got it to work! |
| 17:35.16 | valdyn | jair: dpkg -i kernel-image-blah |
| 17:35.25 | stouset | FieldySnuts: But I don't see the government paying people less than minimum wage =\ |
| 17:35.28 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 17:35.31 | FieldySnuts | yeah i had (somestuff|somestuff2|) |
| 17:35.31 | jair | valdyn, that will be to install it? |
| 17:35.36 | stouset | Whoops. |
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| 17:35.37 | valdyn | jair: yep |
| 17:35.39 | rue_mohr | where does a person find acroread... |
| 17:35.47 | caphuso | rue_mohr: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 17:35.48 | jasoncohen | rue_mohr, you can find acroread and mozilla-acroread in marillat |
| 17:35.48 | stouset | rue_mohr: apt-get install acroread |
| 17:35.51 | rue_mohr | gpdf wont show anything more than the first page |
| 17:36.03 | valdyn | jair: this works well for kernel-images, i dont recommend that generally. |
| 17:36.07 | jasoncohen | rue_mohr, you can also try evince |
| 17:36.10 | ttick | is there a way with apt-cache to see what versions of a package are available in unstable _and_ testing, so I can decide which one I want? apt-cache showpkg only seems to tell me one of them. |
| 17:36.11 | stouset | rue_mohr: Yes it does. |
| 17:36.20 | jasoncohen | ttick, apt-cache show package |
| 17:36.23 | stouset | rue_mohr: Use PgUp and PgDown |
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| 17:36.28 | stouset | rue_mohr: Or use evince |
| 17:36.37 | rue_mohr | stouset, nope Package acroread is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:36.38 | rue_mohr | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 17:36.38 | rue_mohr | is only available from another source |
| 17:36.44 | jair | valdyn, ok I am sorry but i am very dummy for this things, 1- go to the http://packages,debian.org/ download the kernel will be an extension "deb" right 2- I will place it in the home directory and run the command in the nterminal as root dpkg -i kernel-image-blah? |
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| 17:36.50 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 17:36.55 | jair | valdyn, ok |
| 17:37.00 | caphuso | j_k: don't do that |
| 17:37.10 | jasoncohen | Routed, /msg dpkg marillat - you must add the marillat source to your /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update |
| 17:37.10 | valdyn | ttick: a workable solution to this would be apt-get -t testing install package vs apt-get -t unstable install package |
| 17:37.13 | j_k | caphuso: yeah, sorry, i didn't intend to. |
| 17:37.16 | valdyn | jair: yea |
| 17:37.25 | jair | valdyn, I guess i will have to reconfigure the wireless centrino again because will not be configured automatic. |
| 17:37.41 | ttick | thanks guys |
| 17:37.44 | paulswm | Hey eason, a bit of advice fwiw, stouset is a valued helper in these parts. |
| 17:37.49 | rue_mohr | hmm, gpdf is a little nonintuitive... |
| 17:37.51 | jasoncohen | rue_mohr, /msg dpkg marillat - you must add the marillat source to your /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update |
| 17:37.53 | rue_mohr | thanks |
| 17:37.58 | valdyn | jair: you have to recompile it yea - so you also grab the suitable kernel-headers from packages.debian.org |
| 17:38.01 | stouset | paulswm: wtf r u talking about? |
| 17:38.11 | jasoncohen | rue_mohr, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html - pick the deb line for your version of debian -sarge, etch or sid |
| 17:38.27 | amphi | jair: 1.0.4 ver. of ipw2200 doesn't build against 2.6.12 without tweaking, BTW - nor will lower versions, I imagine |
| 17:38.27 | paulswm | stouset: stfulollol!!1!1 |
| 17:38.31 | jair | valdyn, so If I want to get rid of the other kernels ? I think i know how to eleiminate them from the grub menu but what about delelte the package from the system i386 for example? |
| 17:38.37 | stouset | paulswm: you win |
| 17:38.52 | ogranig | i`ve some problems with autofs and an usb-stick! can anyone help me, please? |
| 17:38.53 | rue_mohr | ok, thanks |
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| 17:38.59 | jair | amphi, I did the configuration myself too, it is not to hard |
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| 17:39.07 | jasoncohen | rue_mohr, evince is actually quite good but i use acroread when i want to view a pdf in firefox |
| 17:39.08 | valdyn | jair: so in order: grab kernel-image, grab kernel-headers, dpkg -i them, reboot, compile wireless driver and install it as you did earlier. |
| 17:39.10 | paulswm | stouset: anyway, if was an excuse for me to use fwiw :P |
| 17:39.18 | jair | I did it twice with the kernel 386 and the current I use 686 |
| 17:39.34 | jair | valdyn, nice |
| 17:39.35 | valdyn | jair: dont remove old kernels before the new one is working satisfactory |
| 17:39.35 | Thaiger | I'm trying to compile a program and it says I need KDE headers, what package do I need to apt-get? |
| 17:39.36 | deviant | guys, how come, when i start a download, after a few minutes the download speed drops to 0? |
| 17:39.37 | jasoncohen | ogranig, if you're on gnome 2.10, it'll automount a usb key for you |
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| 17:39.52 | stouset | paulswm: well, fwiw, mine was just an excuse to use wtf, u, and r. |
| 17:40.07 | valdyn | jair: to remove: apt-get remove kernel-image-blah and apt-get remove kernel-headers-blah.. |
| 17:40.08 | jasoncohen | ogranig, in KDE, i just add a KDE device icon to do it (double click to mount). you'll need to use gamin rather than fam on KDE because fam has issues unmounting |
| 17:40.13 | jair | valdyn, thank you i will do that then i will check how it goes, ok and if I want to delete the other kernel (old) pakacges? |
| 17:40.24 | jair | valdyn, ok |
| 17:40.32 | jair | valdyn, never mind them i will go do that ;) |
| 17:40.38 | amphi | jair: no, it's easy - there's a patch for compiling against 2.6.12 that'll presumably get rolled into 1.0.5 |
| 17:41.07 | ogranig | jasoncohen: not really in gnome! when i do mount -fstype=auto (vfat) /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbstick i get no errors, but there are no files in these folders! |
| 17:41.07 | amphi | jair: the patch was posted to the ipw2100-devel list |
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| 17:41.28 | Pumpkin_Pie | wow gentoo is gay |
| 17:41.45 | valdyn | Thaiger: apt-get install kde-devel |
| 17:41.55 | ogranig | jasoncohen: and when i do: umount /mnt/usbstick i get: /dev/sda1 is not mountet |
| 17:41.59 | jasoncohen | ogranig, this is my fstab line - /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable vfat users 0 0 |
| 17:42.01 | FieldySnuts | Pumpkin_Pie: please don't troll here. and using gay in that fashion can get you banned quickly. |
| 17:42.08 | Thaiger | valdyn: thanks |
| 17:42.18 | ogranig | jasoncohen: i`ll try it! |
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| 17:42.29 | jair | ok |
| 17:42.31 | jair | guys see you later |
| 17:42.41 | valdyn | Thaiger: and symmetrically / similarily for many frameworks ( apt-get instal x-dev or apt-get install gnome-devel ) etc.. |
| 17:42.46 | jair | I will do that experiemnt to see what happened. |
| 17:42.47 | paulswm | !tell Pumpkin_Pie about gay |
| 17:42.47 | FieldySnuts | !tell Pumpkin_Pie about gay |
| 17:42.50 | FieldySnuts | shit |
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| 17:42.58 | paulswm | !highfive FieldySnuts |
| 17:42.59 | Thaiger | valdyn: When I try to do that it wants to remove KDE |
| 17:43.01 | FieldySnuts | !beat paulswm |
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| 17:43.11 | jasoncohen | ogranig, then you'll want to go to desktop >preferences > removable drives and media preferences > select the "mount removable media when hot-plugged", and "mount removable media when inserted" and close |
| 17:43.17 | valdyn | Thaiger: so you are running sid? |
| 17:43.39 | Thaiger | valdyn: Sarge |
| 17:44.00 | jasoncohen | ogranig, btw, you actually need to create the folder you're mounting to - so /mnt/removable or in the prior case /mnt/usbstick |
| 17:44.04 | valdyn | Thaiger: hmm, you have a fucked up system somewhere if it really wants to remove kde. |
| 17:44.10 | valdyn | Thaiger: is this a new sarge install? |
| 17:44.26 | eason | !hire FieldySnuts |
| 17:44.29 | Thaiger | valdyn: No, I've had it for a little while |
| 17:44.50 | valdyn | Thaiger: "apt-get update && apt-get install kde-devel kde" |
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| 17:45.16 | thorie | can someone help me? |
| 17:45.34 | rikva | thorie: just ask |
| 17:45.37 | raf256 | !help |
| 17:45.39 | Thaiger | valdyn: OK Thanks so much, its been wanting to remove kde and stuff for many kde programs for a while now ^_^ |
| 17:45.40 | paulswm | Not if you don't ask a question, no. |
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| 17:46.17 | jasoncohen | Thaiger, you should apt-get update pretty often- otherwise you won't get security updates |
| 17:46.47 | jasoncohen | or you can sign up for the security-announce mailing list OR you can use cron-apt |
| 17:46.47 | valdyn | Thaiger: try if that command does what it should first.. if you still wants to remove kde or whatever.. you have a broken system ( however minorly breaken / easily fixable that might be ) |
| 17:47.04 | ogranig | jasoncohen: hey! ok: i updatet my fstab and create the folder /mnt/removeable! now: wen i do: mount /mnt/removeable as root i get the error: wrong fs type, bad option, ..... |
| 17:47.44 | paulswm | methinks distcc on 4 boxes with ccache on each ought to be the dog's bollocks of kernel compiling, never tried distcc before. |
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| 17:50.15 | paulswm | HAHA, qotd129 |
| 17:50.28 | valdyn | !qotd129 |
| 17:50.35 | dpkg | [qotd129] <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
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| 17:50.50 | deviant | guys, how come, when i start a download, after a few minutes the download speed drops to 0? |
| 17:51.05 | valdyn | deviant: your isp is evil? |
| 17:51.08 | robin_sz | valdyn: still not found a copy either |
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| 17:51.15 | valdyn | =/ |
| 17:51.19 | paulswm | deviant: throttling by your ISP or the remote server maybe |
| 17:51.23 | silverwolf | What is the address to check debian packet status? |
| 17:51.32 | paulswm | !beer robin_sz |
| 17:51.38 | deviant | valdyn: i was thinking of that too |
| 17:51.46 | silverwolf | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!! GNOME 2.10 !!!!!! OMG :D |
| 17:51.54 | cmihai | WDF ?! |
| 17:51.57 | cmihai | Where ?! :) |
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| 17:52.02 | silverwolf | unstable :) |
| 17:52.03 | deviant | paulswm: is there something to be done about it ? |
| 17:52.09 | ids | with hard disks, what is the different between UDMA and IDE? |
| 17:52.09 | valdyn | !info gnome testing |
| 17:52.11 | valdyn | !info gnome unstable |
| 17:52.12 | stouset | What? |
| 17:52.17 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (etch), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 17:52.17 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.10.1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 17:52.20 | robin_sz | paulswm: guiness is noce, but its hot here .. any chnace of someting cooler and lighter? |
| 17:52.22 | stouset | Yay? |
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| 17:52.40 | amphi | installed size 16kB? heh |
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| 17:52.45 | silverwolf | hhehe |
| 17:52.49 | paulswm | deviant: try downloading from several different web sites to narrow it down to your box or your connection or your ISP, that would be a start. |
| 17:52.52 | silverwolf | I waited for this moment in ages :) |
| 17:52.53 | silverwolf | great |
| 17:52.57 | valdyn | ids: UDMA is a transfer mode. IDE is an interface specification. |
| 17:53.23 | ids | oh right so Seagate Barracuda 80Gb 7200rpm UDMA100 Hard Drive - OEM |
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| 17:53.27 | ids | should be compatible? |
| 17:53.39 | cmihai | heh. |
| 17:53.40 | ThePiratemaster | is there a way to get a .deb package for X.org 6.8.2? |
| 17:53.42 | ids | compatible / fit in just fine |
| 17:53.59 | masoft | silverwolf, what's going on with Gnome 2.10 ? |
| 17:54.00 | ids | i really dont know when it comes to hardware :| |
| 17:54.03 | valdyn | ids: IDE, the name is used on systems from last century too, so that name alone means about nothing. |
| 17:54.12 | error403 | !molest Mepis |
| 17:54.17 | ThePiratemaster | ...? |
| 17:54.25 | silverwolf | ThePiratemaster, you can rename your /usr/X11R6 and /etc/X11 and compile and install a version of xorg |
| 17:54.43 | greycat | I'm not sure half a gallon constitutes a "tub" |
| 17:54.45 | paulswm | robin_sz: Hot here too, central Florida |
| 17:54.46 | silverwolf | ThePiratemaster, it will fuck up the packet system though, so when doing anything with xfree in it, you have to move the files for a moment |
| 17:54.47 | Thaiger | valdyn: Broken Packages |
| 17:54.54 | silverwolf | masoft, just its in unstable :) |
| 17:54.59 | ids | valdyn: oh right thanks for your help |
| 17:55.06 | paulswm | greycat is right as always. |
| 17:55.11 | robin_sz | paulswm: I fear we have different definitions of 'hot' ... 30C here ... hot enough |
| 17:55.19 | valdyn | Thaiger: you dont have a clean sarge install then i assume. |
| 17:55.39 | valdyn | Thaiger: try first ( after a successful apt-get update ), apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 17:55.51 | ThePiratemaster | in holland its starting to become a heatwave |
| 17:55.55 | valdyn | Thaiger: err, no, FIRST of all , check your sources.list |
| 17:56.04 | FarrisG | Wow... So I'm running a debian amd64 kernel on my Xeons, and it's able to access all 6GB of its RAM. Anything about 4G is slow as hell, but at least it works |
| 17:56.12 | valdyn | Thaiger: to cut this short like paste it to #flood |
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| 17:56.58 | robin_sz | ThePiratemaster: I know it was too fscking hot here today ... 30Kw of waste heat coming out of the laser does not help on days like today :) |
| 17:57.12 | paulswm | robin_sz: It's hotter where you are, it's currently 82/28 here, expected 86/30 with 74% humidity, so apparent temp is +6F |
| 17:57.42 | robin_sz | paulswm: ick. sticky. |
| 17:58.00 | deviant | guys, do you know where the hell can i find the sources for dc++? |
| 17:58.11 | toonX | does swap partition has to show up when executing mount command or no |
| 17:58.38 | ogranig | i`ve some problems with autofs and an usb-stick! can anyone help me, please? |
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| 17:58.49 | Learn | toonX: Nope |
| 17:58.55 | toonX | because top sais i do have a swap partition but it doesn-t show uo on mount |
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| 17:59.14 | toonX | Learn you sure ? |
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| 17:59.27 | Learn | Yes, you don't mount swap... |
| 17:59.29 | robin_sz | paulswm: in winter, the laser kicks out 30kw of waste heat .. its lovely. In summer? its too fricking hot for sure. |
| 17:59.36 | calyth | anyone here have done a migration to SoftRAID 1 using mdadm? |
| 17:59.37 | toonX | Learn oh ok thanks |
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| 18:00.22 | toonX | and how can i select a diffrent keyboard layout in console? |
| 18:00.32 | akbg | loadkeys |
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| 18:00.52 | toonX | akbg ok |
| 18:01.16 | valdyn | deviant: what are you looking for exactly? valknut is a newer dc++ client iirc |
| 18:01.30 | takatumi | how can I boot d-i from a wireless keyboard and mouse? |
| 18:01.53 | stouset | takatumi: It should load them. |
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| 18:02.22 | FieldySnuts | if that doesn't work out, use a wired mouse and keyboard during the install |
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| 18:02.46 | takatumi | stouset: it's stuck at the boot prompt, need to hit enter, keyboard unresponsive. |
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| 18:03.01 | valdyn | takatumi: that's a bios issue |
| 18:03.11 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you don't join us? |
| 18:03.13 | deviant | valdyn: i`m lookin for sources, so i can compile it (dc++) |
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| 18:03.23 | stouset | takatumi: you can enable USB keyboards in the BIOS |
| 18:03.26 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i've started DreamLand now, after the server crashed after 250 bub-n-bros levels |
| 18:03.30 | EdibleText | takatumi, usb interface for wireless ? |
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| 18:03.31 | tarzeau | takatumi: JOIN! JOIN :) ITS FUN |
| 18:03.32 | takatumi | valdyn: the thing is, the keyboard is hooked to a USB hub |
| 18:03.42 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/ <- check this out! |
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| 18:03.49 | valdyn | takatumi: at the bootprompt its still your bios.. |
| 18:03.57 | valdyn | takatumi: nothing debian has to do with it.. |
| 18:04.28 | valdyn | takatumi: iows, if you cannot get your bios to use that keyboard, then you cannot use d-i |
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| 18:04.54 | EdibleText | takatumi, usb input needs to be supported in bios |
| 18:05.11 | liran | i've changed sshd_config to read protocol 1 and when i restart sshd it complains 'Disabling protocol version 1. could not load host key. sshd: no hostkey available -- exiting' |
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| 18:05.24 | liran | i've tried ssh-keygen -t rsa1 though that doesnt seem to fix it |
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| 18:05.59 | Learn | Whoa, my sysadmin just walked in here with a suit - all in pink |
| 18:07.00 | EdibleText | post a picture |
| 18:07.19 | Learn | Didn't have the time to take a pic |
| 18:07.20 | greycat | maybe he's trying to tell you something |
| 18:07.25 | takatumi | valdyn: the thing is obsd 3.7 boots up fine keyboard works. |
| 18:07.31 | deviant | valdyn: how good is it valknut? |
| 18:07.43 | liran | how do i generate a valid hostkey for rsa1? (protocol 1) |
| 18:07.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: link? |
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| 18:08.07 | takatumi | valdyn: the tiny cd37.iso that is. |
| 18:08.24 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: gnu.ethz.ch:33307 |
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| 18:08.25 | valdyn | takatumi: that has to be past the bootprompt then. like after the bsd kernel and drivers are loaded. |
| 18:08.30 | tarzeau | takatumi: you not? |
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| 18:08.50 | takatumi | tarzeau: here I come, keep the snapshotter ready. |
| 18:09.14 | valdyn | deviant: i only know that its a new dc++ client, based on dcgui-qt, i dont use direct connect at all. |
| 18:09.19 | tarzeau | YAY! http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 18:09.30 | edson | cd |
| 18:09.32 | edson | dfdsfd |
| 18:09.41 | edson | hi |
| 18:09.44 | valdyn | !info valknut sarge |
| 18:09.47 | valdyn | !info valknut testing |
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| 18:09.59 | dpkg | valknut: (graphical client for Direct Connect), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.7-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 889 kB, Installed size: 3056 kB |
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| 18:10.03 | dpkg | valknut: (graphical client for Direct Connect), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 889 kB, Installed size: 3056 kB |
| 18:10.10 | edson | what is this? |
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| 18:10.53 | EdibleText | edson, the matrix. you must have taken the red pill. |
| 18:11.22 | edson | becouse? |
| 18:11.22 | deviant | can somebody tell me how to compile the sources from dc++ please? |
| 18:11.46 | liran | nm solved it |
| 18:12.00 | Learn | edson: cuz the blue pill tasts like s**t |
| 18:12.09 | greycat | deviant: how the hell would we know? |
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| 18:12.54 | MrBallZ | hi =) |
| 18:12.59 | edson | não entendi nada! |
| 18:13.21 | deviant | greenfly: just thought you ppl in here have mo experience with computers |
| 18:13.25 | MrBallZ | can some 1 help me configure my fstab file, i accidentally deleted the part of the cdrom , im running Sarge |
| 18:13.37 | EdibleText | deviant, usually there is a README file in the source.. often time the contents of which instructs you to read the INSTALL file |
| 18:13.55 | BlueShift | MrBallZ: generally /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 18:14.44 | MrBallZ | BlueShift , and with that i'll be able to ls /cdrom , and it will get automounted ??? or when i need to apt-get from /cdrom it will automatically mount the drive to retrieve the packages ? |
| 18:14.45 | edson | sarge |
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| 18:15.04 | Gskillet | Does anyone know how to get a bluetooth USB receiver to work on debian? |
| 18:15.25 | BlueShift | MrBallZ: i don't know about automounting. some other package handles that i think. |
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| 18:16.35 | darkgamer20 | hey guys is debian aimed at desktop use? |
| 18:16.43 | darkgamer20 | or general purpose |
| 18:16.54 | MrBallZ | mmm.... ok, and how bout giving permissions on another partition , e.g. my windows hard drive is /dev/hdc1 , and in ftab i put the following line: /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows vfat rw,user,auto 0 0 |
| 18:16.54 | BlueShift | darkgamer20: general. :) |
| 18:16.56 | ledet | darkgamer20: any purpose you want it to be |
| 18:17.07 | sepski | darkgamer20, i'd say mission critical server, but it's so flexible it can do anything |
| 18:17.07 | BlueShift | MrBallZ: man mount |
| 18:17.12 | MrBallZ | :S |
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| 18:17.17 | darkgamer20 | thanks guys |
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| 18:18.40 | Pryon | yeah, how dare you suggest someone read the documentation! |
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| 18:18.52 | sussudio | in soviet russia, docs read you |
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| 18:20.18 | Gskillet | Does anyone know how to get a bluetooth USB receiver to work on debian? |
| 18:20.56 | toonX | how can i mount a usb flash device after hotplug detected it? |
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| 18:21.16 | MrBallZ | any good pages on making Sarge, autodetect and mount usb storage devices, like in Knoppix .... |
| 18:21.26 | BlueShift | toonX: it's usually under /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:24.02 | toonX | BlueShift ok thanks |
| 18:24.12 | MrBallZ | blueshift, the thing is i added another HDD and changed the cdrom i used to have, so now, things arent working as when i installed sarge |
| 18:25.03 | MrBallZ | so what I want is to be able to have the /cdrom automatically mount itself when its needed, like when i want to apt-get a package from the sarge dvd's ... and also be able to use the windows hard drive by any user ... |
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| 18:26.49 | beardy | MrBallZ: If you want it to automount when you apt-get, that means you have the disc in the drive all the time, why not just mount it after you boot and let it be mounted? |
| 18:27.05 | paulswm | !scare sussudio |
| 18:27.08 | dpkg | Oooh, look at their beady little eyes, their long ears...look at them twitch their little noses....oh no, he's heading right for sussudio...argggh!!!!! <NO CARRIER> |
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| 18:27.17 | paulswm | :P |
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| 18:29.51 | MrBallZ | beardy:, because, when i apt-geted something , it just asked me for the specific disc, and i just inserted it to the drive, and hit enter , and it automatically mounted the drive, got the packages it needed, then unmounted it .. |
| 18:30.35 | Learn | MrBallZ: you need automount |
| 18:30.37 | Gskillet | Does anyone know how to get a bluetooth USB receiver to work on debian? |
| 18:30.58 | pfizur | Gskillet: Enable it in the Kernel, install bluez |
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| 18:31.17 | Gskillet | pfizur i have bluez installed but none of my bluetooth software detect my usb device |
| 18:31.24 | pfizur | Though I don't recommend it |
| 18:31.28 | Gskillet | pfizur how do i enable in kernel though |
| 18:31.39 | beardy | MrBallZ: And what is it you want to do? |
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| 18:33.25 | green_earz | Gskillet: to enable a module you can use modconf |
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| 18:34.19 | toad_ | experimental is between testing and unstable, correct? |
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| 18:34.27 | tarzeau | www.sbb.ch whole trains in whole switzerland don't drive anymore since almost 3 hours |
| 18:34.37 | tarzeau | toad_: no |
| 18:34.39 | crappledev | i knew it was too quiet for the debian channel , thats when i noticed i was on the wrong server :/ |
| 18:34.42 | tarzeau | toad_: stable, testing, unstable (+experimental) |
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| 18:34.53 | Gskillet | green_earz ill give it a shot |
| 18:34.55 | toad_ | so experimental is even more unstable than unstable? |
| 18:34.57 | tarzeau | toad_: experimental is not a complete archive, and it's not autobuilt |
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| 18:35.01 | toad_ | ah ok |
| 18:35.04 | tarzeau | toad_: no, it's just for experiments |
| 18:35.12 | tarzeau | huh, i'm really good today |
| 18:35.19 | geoffb | What is the command to search for a package name given a file within that package (with the goal of installing whatever package provides that file)? |
| 18:35.30 | Gskillet | green_earz do i need to apt-get modconf because it says it doesnt exist |
| 18:35.30 | tarzeau | toad_: and unstable doesn't mean it's unstable, it just might break (badly) sometimes |
| 18:35.33 | paulswm | !beer tarzeau |
| 18:35.37 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 18:35.38 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 18:36.05 | toad_ | like for example, right now, both firefox and konqueror are broken here.. i looked up bugs.debian.org for firefox but maybe it's not a firefox bug... |
| 18:36.05 | crappledev | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:36.05 | green_earz | Gskillet: yes apt-get install modconf and then track down the module |
| 18:36.07 | crappledev | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:36.09 | crappledev | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:36.12 | tarzeau | toad_: and gnome and kde |
| 18:36.21 | greycat | crappledev: botsnack |
| 18:36.22 | toad_ | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 18:36.26 | tarzeau | greycat: heh |
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| 18:36.33 | toad_ | tarzeau: konversation and konsole work fine |
| 18:36.34 | simonrvn | hehe greycat |
| 18:36.40 | Gskillet | green_earz E: Couldn't find package modconf |
| 18:36.44 | bluefox | hello. anyone know what the diff is between qt and qt-mt? |
| 18:36.48 | crappledev | [ k-s ] [ qwertz_ ] [ exerd ] [ Rawplayer ] [ accel ] |
| 18:36.48 | crappledev | [ gregj ] [ caco_theli] [ MrJung_- ] [ bushk ] [ EspeonEefi] |
| 18:36.48 | crappledev | [ Mestaphele] [ QUACH-214 ] [ abauer ] [ JoshH ] [ Mike ] |
| 18:36.48 | crappledev | [ xdamienx ] [ KinxofSepl] [ spunz_ ] [ wols ] [ HarleyG ] |
| 18:36.48 | crappledev | [ meppl ] [ bobbens ] [ brosio ] [ icub3d ] [ liran ] |
| 18:36.48 | crappledev | [ FarrisG ] [ pabl0 ] [ [S][F]Era ] [ jdhutchin1] [ Lancelot ] |
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| 18:36.49 | tarzeau | toad_: anyone use them voluntarily? |
| 18:36.53 | Gskillet | green_earz im just trying to enable a USB bluetooth reciever |
| 18:36.54 | simonrvn | uh |
| 18:36.56 | Learn | bluefox: -mt is multi-thread |
| 18:36.57 | toad_ | tarzeau: lol |
| 18:36.59 | tarzeau | bluefox: apt-cache show the diff |
| 18:37.03 | tarzeau | bluefox: other way around |
| 18:37.09 | j_k | geoffb: use packages.debian.org to search for a file, or dpkg (the bot), with its find command. |
| 18:37.13 | greycat | bluefox: read the package descriptions |
| 18:37.16 | bluefox | oh ok thakn you. im not a debian user |
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| 18:37.21 | Skiver | anyone here with ATI graphic card ? |
| 18:37.26 | bluefox | just noticed debians using it |
| 18:37.29 | bluefox | thank you very much |
| 18:37.29 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 18:37.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:37.34 | geoffb | j_k, thanks, trying |
| 18:37.50 | wite | hi |
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| 18:38.25 | wite | when i try to update my debian i get a dependence errors |
| 18:38.28 | streuner | greycat: i love it (anyone use) :-) |
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| 18:38.35 | wite | how can i solve it |
| 18:38.47 | tarzeau | wite: what's your sources.list ? |
| 18:38.48 | simonrvn | give them an income? |
| 18:38.54 | tarzeau | wite: you really have debian? |
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| 18:39.33 | tarzeau | toad_: the lg- packages are a joke if you ask me |
| 18:39.37 | greycat | !tell wite about smart questions |
| 18:39.37 | HanClinto | How does one tell how full their hard drive is? |
| 18:39.39 | streuner | Skiver: give us more details |
| 18:39.44 | geoffb | j_k, thanks, the dpkg bot command was 'dfind' -- but sadly it turned up empty, ah well |
| 18:39.44 | tarzeau | HanClinto: df -h |
| 18:39.52 | HanClinto | thx |
| 18:39.56 | wite | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 18:39.57 | wite | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 18:39.57 | wite | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 18:39.57 | wite | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 18:39.57 | wite | # Enlightenment 17 pre10 CVS 28 nov 2004 |
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| 18:40.01 | tarzeau | HanClinto: but make sure you check all partitions |
| 18:40.08 | toad_ | tarzeau: so basically the answer is to use testing |
| 18:40.15 | tarzeau | toad_: no |
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| 18:40.21 | toad_ | no? :) |
| 18:40.23 | tarzeau | !topicbadger toad_ |
| 18:40.26 | tarzeau | toad_: i use unstable |
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| 18:40.33 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that toad_ didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 18:40.36 | HanClinto | cool, thx |
| 18:40.37 | tarzeau | wite: only use official mirrors |
| 18:40.41 | tarzeau | wite: that's one that ends with debian.org |
| 18:40.42 | crystalremo | when i run apt-get update, i get "reading package list error! unable to parse package file /var/lib/dpkg/status. the package list file could not be parsed or opened". any clue whats going on? |
| 18:40.49 | toad_ | "SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE" ? |
| 18:40.49 | tarzeau | wite: kernel.org is not an official debian mirror |
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| 18:40.54 | simonrvn | !tell wite -about paster |
| 18:40.58 | simonrvn | !tell wite -about paste |
| 18:40.58 | greycat | wite: and don't use testing if you don't know what you're doing. |
| 18:41.02 | tarzeau | toad_: use whatever suits you best |
| 18:41.06 | crystalremo | running stable, but ive not updated in a long time |
| 18:41.09 | streuner | toad_: its called unstable - yes ... |
| 18:41.17 | tarzeau | crystalremo: stable old or stable after 6.6.2005? |
| 18:41.26 | tarzeau | streuner: it's also called sid |
| 18:41.40 | streuner | tarzeau: yes ... |
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| 18:42.05 | QUACH-214 | hi , im having now one hard disk divided into 2 parttitions, how can i integrate two partion into one without losing date? |
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| 18:42.16 | tarzeau | QUACH-214: you can't |
| 18:42.19 | toad_ | greycat: i don't know what i'm doing to the extent that i'm neither a package maintainer nor a professional sysadmin. otoh i've run sid for years with no really nasty problems. still i'll probably go to testing now. |
| 18:42.27 | happybunny | hi...fresh debian install xfce...power saver keeps turning off monitor |
| 18:42.31 | happybunny | where to disable? |
| 18:42.37 | tarzeau | happybunny: man xset |
| 18:42.42 | Pryon | xset dpms off |
| 18:42.44 | happybunny | thanks |
| 18:42.46 | f0rtex | Has anyone runnig a Root-Raid1 (wich was setup with the sarge-installer) with a custom made kernel (2.6.12)? |
| 18:42.54 | Pryon | eek |
| 18:43.00 | QUACH-214 | tarzeau so how can to resire partion ? |
| 18:43.04 | Pryon | better read the xset man page :-) |
| 18:43.07 | happybunny | beautiful...thanks |
| 18:43.10 | greycat | toad_: since I know you from another channel, I know you're at least fairly clued in. wite, on the other hand, doesn't seem to know which end of the mouse to grab yet. |
| 18:43.10 | tarzeau | QUACH-214: delete partition. make new one |
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| 18:43.19 | tarzeau | s,ion,ions, |
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| 18:43.28 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 18:43.29 | sussudio | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4113464.stm < in soviet russia, bull humps your shop |
| 18:43.48 | tarzeau | don't grab the mouse on the ball! |
| 18:43.55 | toad_ | will i run into any problems downgrading from sid to testing? |
| 18:43.56 | simonrvn | by the ball |
| 18:44.08 | simonrvn | toad_: very likely |
| 18:44.08 | takatumi | by the gall |
| 18:44.13 | greycat | toad_: that's not possible by any normal means |
| 18:44.18 | simonrvn | by the fall |
| 18:44.34 | greycat | toad_: stay on unstable, just don't dist-upgrade |
| 18:44.35 | simonrvn | gutless spineless mouse then, eh? ;p |
| 18:44.38 | toad_ | greycat: nice. what's the quickest and safest ways to accomplish it then? |
| 18:44.48 | Pryon | it's had 'em removed and replaced with a glowing red protrusion!!11! |
| 18:44.50 | streuner | sussudio: next time i 'll go to A'dam ;-) |
| 18:44.52 | greycat | toad_: only upgrade the things you actually need to upgrade |
| 18:45.00 | simonrvn | ohnoz!!!11!!11!\ |
| 18:45.15 | toad_ | greycat: that implies i watch ALL the changelogs... or at the very least subscribe to bugtraq |
| 18:45.40 | greycat | toad_: you should be subscribed to d-d-a already, and check the /topic here for any major breakage... |
| 18:45.46 | Pryon | scraping bugtraq for debian announcements is pretty easy |
| 18:45.58 | toad_ | greycat: what's d-d-a? |
| 18:46.00 | greycat | toad_: e.g. dpkg 1.13.x is known to cause some problems with some other packages, and the d-d-a announcement told us that |
| 18:46.03 | greycat | !d-d-a |
| 18:46.06 | dpkg | hmm... d-d-a is debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to. It's perhaps one message a week, so Testing and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it. Sign up at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 18:46.15 | Gskillet | Does anyone know how to get a bluetooth USB receiver to work on debian? |
| 18:46.18 | greycat | "one message a week" is not correct though |
| 18:46.28 | crystalremo | tarzeau: old stable |
| 18:46.30 | toad_ | greycat: good idea |
| 18:46.32 | tarzeau | crystalremo: yuck |
| 18:46.35 | crystalremo | yeah |
| 18:46.41 | crystalremo | what to do? ;) |
| 18:46.45 | toad_ | greycat: well, it's more than freenet-chat, and less than freenet-support, right? |
| 18:46.50 | toad_ | :) |
| 18:46.56 | greycat | dpkg, d-d-a =~ s/perhaps one message a week/less than one message a day/ |
| 18:47.00 | tarzeau | !woody->sarge |
| 18:47.01 | xam | ggg: got a new dynamic IP, with working dns ... access to cvs.p-l.org also works |
| 18:47.20 | greycat | tarzeau: bug with ! and -> |
| 18:47.26 | xam | kyle: mhh, konqueror works |
| 18:47.28 | streuner | !d-d-a |
| 18:47.33 | tarzeau | dpkg woody->sarge |
| 18:47.38 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:47.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-d-a is debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to. It's less than one message a day, so Testing and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it. Sign up at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 18:47.40 | xam | argll, wrong channel |
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| 18:47.43 | toad_ | greycat: if i have d-d-a then i don't need e.g. debian-security-announce? |
| 18:47.52 | greycat | toad_: you will want both. |
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| 18:48.04 | tarzeau | apt woody->sarge |
| 18:48.04 | apt | from memory, woody->sarge is "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes> |
| 18:48.09 | pfizur | Gskillet: have you ever worked with the kernel before? |
| 18:48.10 | tarzeau | crystalremo: for you |
| 18:48.14 | greycat | everyone should be on d-s-a; everyone who runs testing or unstable should also be on d-d-a |
| 18:48.21 | Gskillet | pfizur: no id like some help on how to |
| 18:48.26 | simonrvn | i'm also on d-a |
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| 18:48.35 | toad_ | tarzeau: why through aptitude? |
| 18:48.37 | rhalff | hi Im trying to quickly install php5 on a server which need it, I get it from dotdeb, but it complains about libmm11 not being installable, any suggestion ? |
| 18:48.45 | tarzeau | toad_: don't ask me, i run unstable |
| 18:48.52 | FieldySnuts | quickly? php5? righto |
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| 18:49.11 | rhalff | nah it should be that complex ? |
| 18:49.11 | tarzeau | rhalff: bug those who made the package |
| 18:49.17 | FieldySnuts | since we didn't make it, you'll have to track dodn who did, we simply wouldn't know |
| 18:49.21 | FieldySnuts | down |
| 18:49.26 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: hehe people are funny. sometimes not even on weekends |
| 18:49.30 | rhalff | ok just compile it then :) |
| 18:49.36 | FieldySnuts | !hire tarzeau |
| 18:49.40 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: usually the debian package makers aren't in #debian anyways |
| 18:49.50 | toad_ | greycat: anything else i need? |
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| 18:50.07 | FieldySnuts | at that wage, i can afford to |
| 18:50.10 | greycat | toad_: some luck? :) |
| 18:50.11 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i want euro! |
| 18:50.18 | toad_ | greycat: :) |
| 18:50.25 | FieldySnuts | i suppose i could modify it |
| 18:50.36 | toad_ | greycat: the curious thing is i could have switched around the release of sarge with no problems |
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| 18:50.49 | streuner | dpkg, irritate FieldySnuts |
| 18:50.54 | toad_ | (couldn't i?) |
| 18:50.55 | FieldySnuts | not responding to me |
| 18:50.57 | crystalremo | brawn:~# apt-get install aptitude Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (1) E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 18:50.57 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: hi every1 who uses kde kk |
| 18:51.02 | crystalremo | what now? |
| 18:51.06 | crystalremo | man this sucks |
| 18:51.14 | greycat | toad_: perhaps. but now that sarge has been out a couple weeks, all the stuff that's been waiting in experimental is being sent into sid again. |
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| 18:51.22 | toad_ | crystalremo: the file doesn't exist |
| 18:51.29 | FieldySnuts | guess i'll fix it later, make a few currency choices |
| 18:51.29 | toad_ | crystalremo: or it isn't mounted |
| 18:51.30 | greycat | toad_: right after a release is *the* most unstable time for unstable (and a week later, for testing) |
| 18:51.32 | crystalremo | toad_ it does |
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| 18:51.36 | crystalremo | toad_ it is |
| 18:51.52 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a world war |
| 18:51.53 | apt | Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians! |
| 18:51.58 | gahan | anyone was flying in UE without passport with new ID card? |
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| 18:52.09 | crystalremo | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 320892 Jun 22 14:29 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 18:52.11 | FieldySnuts | what's UE? |
| 18:52.14 | gahan | EU |
| 18:52.20 | greycat | crystalremo: can you restore it from a backup? look in /var/backup* and also for others in /var/lib/dpkg as well as your normal system backups wherever you put those... |
| 18:52.31 | streuner | united emirates? |
| 18:52.32 | greycat | crystalremo: a corrupted status file is a major problem |
| 18:52.38 | streuner | !ue |
| 18:52.46 | sussudio | HP is splitting off their PC section... let's call it COMPAQ. |
| 18:52.50 | takatumi | gahan: there's a guy in some terminal without one. |
| 18:52.52 | greycat | heh |
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| 18:53.05 | tzafrir_laptop | bah, debian's php4 is really broken: you cannot install an extension package and expect it to work. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=271169 . |
| 18:53.06 | oguz | hi, is there any easy way instead of using ./configure and make then make install, like dpkg -i so that it will install the software with requirements |
| 18:53.14 | gahan | takatumi: not funny :) |
| 18:53.17 | greycat | oguz: look into "stow" |
| 18:53.24 | greycat | oguz: but dependencies? no, not likely. |
| 18:53.44 | crystalremo | fixed... got a backup from /var/backups |
| 18:54.04 | crystalremo | thanks once again |
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| 18:54.20 | oguz | greycat, most probably the program wont depend other softwares, i was trying to install pyfile to check what kind of software it is |
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| 18:55.15 | WiBY | Hello all, I have an ip bsaed printer, which package would be the best to install to print to it? To clarify, the printer is not physically connected to the machine, I will be printer over the network. This is a fresh install of 3.1. |
| 18:55.20 | greycat | oguz: just read the package description |
| 18:55.25 | toad_ | greycat: okay, so basically, stick with unstable, (unless want to reinstall everything), keep regular backups, and expect serious breakages occasionally... |
| 18:55.28 | WiBY | printing* |
| 18:55.36 | greycat | toad_: yeah, that's basically it |
| 18:55.39 | toad_ | speaking of which, anyone know a nice non-firefox non-kde non-gnome web browser? |
| 18:55.42 | beardy | WiBY: cups ? |
| 18:55.49 | WiBY | toad_: dillo |
| 18:55.59 | toad_ | thanks WiBY |
| 18:56.02 | greycat | toad_: mozilla |
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| 18:56.07 | toad_ | Need to get 283kB of archives. |
| 18:56.08 | toad_ | LOL |
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| 18:56.19 | greycat | dillo's a bit on the light side. |
| 18:56.21 | toad_ | greycat: which is also broken, surely? |
| 18:56.23 | WiBY | toad_: lynx? |
| 18:56.25 | websdale | toad_:opera is fast if you don't mind banner ads |
| 18:56.28 | oguz | greycat, ok |
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| 18:56.42 | WiBY | beardy: cups does the job? thanks sir. |
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| 18:57.09 | cmihai | links :) |
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| 18:57.14 | toad_ | well, thanks folks for being a little more gentle than usual :) |
| 18:57.19 | toad_ | cmihai: always essential! |
| 18:58.01 | WiBY | beardy: which cups package, there are serveral... |
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| 18:58.51 | vezult | WiBY: cupsys - that's the main package the rest are just bonus |
| 18:59.03 | WiBY | ok, thought so, just checking. Thanks |
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| 18:59.18 | beardy | WiBY: '/msg dpkg cups setup' let's hope it's correct. |
| 18:59.26 | Learn | hehe @ bug 271169 - automatically registering PHP modules would be nice - it would save me the trouble of editting php.ini and I do belive "dl"ing in php scripts is too slow, PHP is slow like it is - why make it slower ? |
| 18:59.43 | toad_ | oooh /me didn't know about /var/backups the last time he recovered from serious problems... cool |
| 18:59.47 | WiBY | beardy: Ive got a variety of howtos here, I just didnt know which howto I should read |
| 18:59.53 | bourneagain | Question, I have set up a PXE install. In the APPEND initrd=root.bin flavor= ? for stable Sarge |
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| 19:00.48 | xaphod | hey - i want to email a bunch of friends but if i do it all in one email lots of ppl end up having crappy hotmail decide it's junk. I have a list of email addresses in a file, 1-per-line, anyone got a simple script to send an email this way? |
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| 19:00.55 | beardy | WiBY: Msg dpkg, the factoid is short and straight forward. |
| 19:00.58 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 19:01.08 | WiBY | beardy: yep, I see, thanks. |
| 19:01.13 | bourneagain | What is the flavor of Sarge is the question. |
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| 19:01.18 | toad_ | hey firefox worked |
| 19:01.25 | toad_ | it's just that the disk was full so it couldn't get a socket |
| 19:01.31 | elephantman | Where can i find the different models to setup a (10 to 20 computers) enterprise network ? |
| 19:01.35 | anubis_EO | i had to set my server's ip address statically using /etc/network/interfaces before it was housed (Before it used DHCP). Now the server is housed it wont resolve any domains can anyone help !? |
| 19:01.45 | toad_ | so it's only (parts of) KDE (and gnome) that's broken |
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| 19:02.22 | toad_ | not even that actually... i bet konqueror's gonna work too |
| 19:02.24 | empty | bourneagain, kind of like chicken ;) Sorry, no real useful input |
| 19:02.30 | toad_ | so it looks like kde works |
| 19:02.40 | beardy | elephantman: Models of what? Some girls running around installing for you? What is enterprise? |
| 19:02.41 | toad_ | yup |
| 19:03.14 | Pryon | I think the enterprise computer doesn't run debian. |
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| 19:03.53 | Pryon | But if it did, first thing I'd do is replace Majel Barett's (sp?) voice |
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| 19:04.18 | beardy | Pryon: It will. |
| 19:04.36 | elephantman | beardy: entreprise is enterprise |
| 19:04.43 | bourneagain | empty: Well I am new to linux, less then a week. Have the PXE install working but not before reading an entire book on Debian first. The permissions of the directory for the TFTP server were not set :( ... and I am now proceceeding to compiling and configuring the linux kernal and install package for autoinstall. |
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| 19:05.08 | empty | bourneagain, sorry, I have never done much with pxe |
| 19:05.08 | smagy2 | hello folks, can some please tell me what the messages on http://rafb.net/paste/results/Eum2F891.html mean ? |
| 19:05.11 | elephantman | beardy: and models = approach = concepts = ways |
| 19:05.17 | bourneagain | empty: writing shell scripts was a blast |
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| 19:05.34 | empty | bourneagain, hence the nick? |
| 19:06.02 | valdyn | smacnay: means that you found a bug in your kernel or hardware. |
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| 19:06.09 | bourneagain | empty: Yeah, I got a kick out of the name for BASH |
| 19:06.15 | valdyn | smagy2: means that you found a bug in your kernel or hardware. |
| 19:06.16 | beeblebrox87 | trying to install openoffice.org, which depends on openoffice.org-bin. is openoffice.org-bin was installed with force-architecture so apt doesn't realize it exists, so i used equivs to create a package openoffice.org-bin-fake, which provides openoffice.org-bin. but openoffice.org still gives dependency errors in apt. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 19:06.47 | bourneagain | empty: I mean bourne again shell, written by christians is amusing =) |
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| 19:07.01 | empty | yeah |
| 19:07.14 | empty | you will find many things like that in linux |
| 19:07.21 | Learn | elephantman: so you want a step by step guide to delopying Debian to 10/20 computers ? |
| 19:07.27 | WiBY | beardy: thanks for the help. Have a good one |
| 19:07.29 | empty | my favorite is recursive acronyms |
| 19:07.31 | smagy2 | valdyn: oh okay thanks a bunch |
| 19:07.47 | elephantman | Learn: yes - well a place where i could find such infos |
| 19:07.51 | bourneagain | empty: Well I am finding the linux community to be in general very cool. Knowledgeable users, etc. |
| 19:07.54 | empty | examples: GNU = GNU's Not Unix, WINE = WINE Is Not a Emulator |
| 19:07.59 | beardy | WiBY: No problem, have a nice day. |
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| 19:08.06 | empty | bourneagain, welcome to the free world |
| 19:08.25 | Learn | elephantman: Remote boot + auto-install |
| 19:08.30 | samuel | to search for a file i can use apt-file search no? |
| 19:08.45 | asdfjk | hrm, what am i supposed to do if i want to install j2ee? i've only seen help for j2se using java-package |
| 19:08.54 | empty | beeblebrox87, why did you install with force? |
| 19:09.19 | bourneagain | Learn: that is the first thing I am learning to do with linux. It is cool. Doing it with Windows 2003 is a total pain. |
| 19:09.31 | asdfjk | do i install manually and somehow force the virtual package? |
| 19:10.06 | empty | If you guys want to install OSes on boxes rather than netbooting check out systemimager |
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| 19:10.25 | Learn | bourneagain: well share your experience with elephantman - seems like what he/she wants |
| 19:10.25 | rhalff | hmm this really is a fast install of php5 deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sarge :) |
| 19:10.38 | empty | its basically some cool glue around dhcp and rsync |
| 19:10.58 | aFlag | i'm using debian sarge and after configruing my imap account on it, when i try to close it, it hangs a long time until gnome open the window asking for "force quit" |
| 19:10.58 | aFlag | has it happen to anyone here? |
| 19:11.02 | bourneagain | elephantman: What is it you want to accomplish? PXE booting and a net install? |
| 19:11.12 | Learn | empty: got a url - too lazy too copy/past to google |
| 19:11.20 | empty | aFlag, what application? |
| 19:11.20 | elephantman | I know how to install a debian box |
| 19:11.26 | empty | Learn, systemimager.org |
| 19:11.33 | elephantman | sorry 1 sec |
| 19:11.42 | valdyn | elephantman: mondo,fai |
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| 19:11.55 | bourneagain | elephantman: I just set up PXE booting here and am working on FAI. |
| 19:12.06 | aFlag | emag, thunderbirg |
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| 19:12.13 | aFlag | thunderbidr |
| 19:12.13 | arnon | which one is more best bang for the bucks ? athlon64 or p4 ? |
| 19:12.14 | empty | elephantman, I get a new box and have it racked and ready to roll into production in half an hour with systemimager |
| 19:12.22 | aFlag | i forgot the tell it :P |
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| 19:12.33 | empty | arnon, p4 for most users |
| 19:12.42 | valdyn | arnon: athlon64 |
| 19:12.43 | empty | arnon, if you have to ask probably the p4 |
| 19:12.54 | beeblebrox87 | empty: running on amd64, OOo doesn't work on amd64 yet. i can run i386 packages using ia32-libs without all the trouble of a chroot, but i have to install them with --force-architecture |
| 19:12.54 | bourneagain | empty: How hard is it to write a complete silent install script for linux? |
| 19:13.19 | empty | bourneagain, silent install? |
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| 19:13.29 | arnon | which p4 ? 3.4 ghz ? |
| 19:13.33 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: no one forced you to run amd64 code on your athlon64, its an *option* that you dont have on p4 with emt64 |
| 19:13.34 | bourneagain | empty: Well one with no user interaction. |
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| 19:13.40 | iostream | Why does libncurses5-dev depend on linux-kernel-headers?! |
| 19:13.41 | bourneagain | hence silent |
| 19:13.50 | Learn | bourneagain: the hard disk will make some noise, and don't forget the fans... |
| 19:13.55 | valdyn | ops, s/with/without/ |
| 19:13.59 | empty | bourneagain, depends- if you know the hardware in advance it's pretty easy, if not very hard |
| 19:14.02 | beardy | arnon: The best you can get with your money I guess. |
| 19:14.07 | beeblebrox87 | valdyn: whats that got to do with anything? |
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| 19:14.20 | Learn | empty: Can't hotplug/discover take care of that for you ? |
| 19:14.35 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: that the option to run amd64 binaries cannot be a reason to not use an athlon64 |
| 19:15.01 | oguz | greycat, stow is not the thing i need it seems, i dont want to do ./configure, make and make install |
| 19:15.07 | beeblebrox87 | valdyn: i'm asking why apt is ignoring the provides field on a package. what are you on about? |
| 19:15.09 | empty | valdyn, he was answering my earlier question not preaching against 64bit |
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| 19:15.25 | bourneagain | valdyn: Have you used either mondo or FAI? |
| 19:15.27 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: ah, alright, sorry, that just did fit to well to an above question |
| 19:15.46 | valdyn | bourneagain: i use mondo, i never used FAI |
| 19:15.55 | oguz | greycat, as i understood stow just creates links for a installed software at a spesific place live /usr/local |
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| 19:15.59 | bourneagain | valdyn: Is this for a cluster? |
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| 19:16.19 | Arsenick | . |
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| 19:16.23 | empty | Learn, for lots of stuff yes but it gets more complex depending on what you need. |
| 19:16.25 | beeblebrox87 | valdyn: i use amd64, i like amd64, 32bit systems obsolete, but OOo is currently broken on amd64, so i'm trying to run it with ia32-libs and something is broken |
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| 19:16.38 | valdyn | bourneagain: mondo is primarily for backups, but works nicely to install identical debians to identical computers. |
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| 19:17.14 | empty | Learn, examples: vid cards, acpi, keyboards, funny input devs, etc |
| 19:17.25 | overlordz | . |
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| 19:18.09 | Learn | empty: ahh yes |
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| 19:18.20 | bourneagain | valdyn: I may end up learning both. It looks like mondo may be a better place then starting with FAI. FAI is fairly complex. |
| 19:18.28 | Learn | Damn funky input devices.. |
| 19:18.28 | kenny | holas |
| 19:18.32 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: i use a full 32-bit debian install for 32-bit applications. |
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| 19:18.59 | kenny | mmmm |
| 19:19.02 | kenny | holas!! |
| 19:19.09 | valdyn | bourneagain: if those 20 computers are identical and supposed to have identical installations then modo is certainly viable and easy. |
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| 19:20.10 | kenny | holasss |
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| 19:20.16 | kenny | alguien me copia!! |
| 19:20.19 | beeblebrox87 | valdyn: which is a real PITA. i've been using the old openoffice.org-amd64 packages in the past, which worked okay, but now i'm trying to upgrade, and the provides: field on this dummy package is being ignored |
| 19:20.23 | bourneagain | valdyn: Well they are similar. In many ways no two computers are really "identical" on a network. For example the computer name should be different. |
| 19:20.29 | galois | !spanish |
| 19:20.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:20.49 | kenny | spanish |
| 19:20.53 | bourneagain | valdyn: As you know I am sure. Are there ways to automate machine naming with this util? |
| 19:20.58 | bourneagain | Or is that post install task? |
| 19:20.59 | kenny | nadie me copia!! |
| 19:21.25 | kenny | zZZZzzZz. |
| 19:21.44 | valdyn | bourneagain: mondo cannot do that. Probably easy enough for you to set something up ( since its just 20 machines ) |
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| 19:22.15 | darkgamer20 | hey guys |
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| 19:22.25 | bourneagain | valdyn: Well in this case we have to be able just to plug in a computer and do an unattended install. Yes a pain. But that is how it is. |
| 19:22.26 | darkgamer20 | any know how to setup scrolling? |
| 19:22.32 | tarzeau | darkgamer20: where? |
| 19:22.37 | kenny | alguien habla español |
| 19:22.45 | rikva | !es |
| 19:22.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:22.45 | darkgamer20 | scrolling as in the scroll wheel in the mouse |
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| 19:22.50 | tarzeau | darkgamer20: LOL |
| 19:22.56 | darkgamer20 | what? |
| 19:23.04 | tarzeau | cracks me up the first question |
| 19:23.06 | tarzeau | what it really ment |
| 19:23.06 | darkgamer20 | tarzeau: what is so funny? |
| 19:23.12 | darkgamer20 | oh ok |
| 19:23.16 | darkgamer20 | so you know |
| 19:23.18 | darkgamer20 | ?? |
| 19:23.19 | valdyn | bourneagain: you could add a bootscript to your first installation that you then backup with mondo and install and on the first boot it will name the box. |
| 19:23.25 | tarzeau | no i hate scroll wheel mice |
| 19:23.30 | darkgamer20 | oh ok |
| 19:23.34 | tarzeau | darkgamer20: for x, svgalib or gpm? |
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| 19:23.43 | oguz | greycat, what i am looking for is a program that will install a software that needs ./configure make and make install |
| 19:23.46 | bourneagain | valdyn: FAI can set up config files for a particular MAC address. There is still some manual stuff. But it is done remotely on the server before install. At least thjat is the plan. |
| 19:23.47 | tarzeau | on kfreebsd, linux or hurd? |
| 19:23.52 | cmihai | ?! |
| 19:23.54 | tarzeau | with ps/2, usb or serial mouse? |
| 19:23.59 | darkgamer20 | tarzeau: to setup scroll? |
| 19:24.05 | darkgamer20 | tarzeau: ps/2 |
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| 19:24.10 | tarzeau | or mac? hp-parisc or sparc? |
| 19:24.18 | darkgamer20 | umm x86 |
| 19:24.19 | valdyn | bourneagain: yea fai is made for that, mondo isnt, its alot simpler. |
| 19:24.27 | rikva | !nl |
| 19:24.27 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
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| 19:24.43 | cmihai | Hmf, it's been a while sice I've used linux I guess. What's this tmpfs thing, tmp mounted in RAM like you'd get on NetBSD ? |
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| 19:25.16 | ChrisC35 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.28 | darkgamer20 | come someone has to know how to setup scroll wheel |
| 19:25.30 | darkgamer20 | ??? |
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| 19:25.35 | cmihai | darkgamer20: yes. |
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| 19:25.39 | cmihai | But I won't tell. |
| 19:25.43 | darkgamer20 | y not? |
| 19:25.47 | tarzeau | ChrisC35: install mc |
| 19:25.51 | ChrisC35 | what is mc |
| 19:25.54 | tarzeau | !mc |
| 19:25.55 | dpkg | hmm... mc is Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco |
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| 19:25.57 | bourneagain | valdyn: I see the basic process for FAI and like the design. Not that I am an expert of anything. But I am finding I am having to do stuff way way over my head. I finally came to the surface today and now am taking the plunge again. |
| 19:25.57 | valdyn | !refcard ChrisC35 |
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| 19:26.09 | tarzeau | ChrisC35: like norton commander |
| 19:26.13 | darkgamer20 | cmihai: dude y won't you tell me? |
| 19:26.20 | ChrisC35 | i'm using WinSCP already |
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| 19:26.26 | tarzeau | darkgamer20: too boring |
| 19:26.26 | ChrisC35 | and logged in with putty |
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| 19:26.28 | cmihai | Just add ZAxisMapping "4 5" to your X config |
| 19:26.35 | tarzeau | ChrisC35: DUDE |
| 19:26.36 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 19:26.36 | darkgamer20 | tarzeau: what is? |
| 19:26.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 19:26.38 | tarzeau | ChrisC35: apt-get install mc |
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| 19:26.43 | ChrisC35 | i dont even know how to go back a dir |
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| 19:26.49 | tarzeau | ChrisC35: cd .. |
| 19:26.50 | cmihai | If that won't work, add Buttons 5 also ...blea :) |
| 19:26.52 | tarzeau | ChrisC35: or cd - |
| 19:27.08 | jasoncohen | how do i control the size of my local mail file? it's already nearly 50 MB |
| 19:27.09 | Teufel | I just did a new install of Debian and updated some of the parts via ftp during installation but now X won't even start. How would I go about reinstalling X? |
| 19:27.20 | HanClinto | How do I tell what an environment variable is set to? |
| 19:27.26 | Spec | export |
| 19:27.28 | tarzeau | !drx |
| 19:27.28 | amphi | HanClinto: echo $FOO |
| 19:27.28 | dpkg | well, drx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:27.29 | Spec | echo $VARIABLE |
| 19:27.31 | tarzeau | Teufel: for you |
| 19:27.31 | HanClinto | I tried "echo $VAR_NAME" but it didn't work |
| 19:27.35 | InitMass | anyone speaking spanish and english in here? |
| 19:27.37 | ChrisC35 | How come when I do a dir in putty, I dont see any of my files, like the .forward file? |
| 19:27.43 | Spec | HanClinto: if it didn't work, then the variable is not set |
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| 19:27.46 | PeTeRB | HanClinto: env |
| 19:27.46 | thomas_adam | ChrisC35: ls |
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| 19:27.53 | HanClinto | hrm, okay. Thx |
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| 19:27.57 | Teufel | !drx |
| 19:27.57 | dpkg | i heard drx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:27.57 | greycat | ChrisC35: ls -la |
| 19:28.02 | tarzeau | ChrisC35: man ls or see f9 in mc |
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| 19:28.04 | Spec | ChrisC35: .files are "hidden files" |
| 19:28.08 | greycat | ChrisC35: man ls |
| 19:28.20 | bourneagain | valdyn: I think knowing both packages would be an advantage. I tend to see system administrators as, in general, very lazy or well perhaps too thrases to do things right. So things are always a mess and take tons of time to support. It is a catch 22. I really think though that it is extremely important to reduce the cost/time involved with network and computer support in general. |
| 19:28.20 | Spec | ChrisC35: so, it'd make sense that you wouldn't be able to see them -- otherwise they wouldn't be hidden :-/ |
| 19:28.29 | darkgamer20 | cmihai: i tried what you said but that option is already there |
| 19:28.30 | tarzeau | ChrisC35: why do you have/need debian ? |
| 19:28.34 | arnon | is it ok to buy a mobo/cpu barebone combo ? or is it better to buy them separately ? |
| 19:28.35 | HanClinto | Thx all |
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| 19:28.40 | mad | i try to install counter strike server with apache2 |
| 19:28.48 | mad | what i need more |
| 19:28.52 | thomas_adam | arnon: It depends on what you want to do -- and cost, of course. |
| 19:28.53 | tarzeau | mad: why not with apache 1.x ? |
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| 19:28.58 | cmihai | darkgamer20: both of them |
| 19:28.59 | bourneagain | valdyn: Well what I mean is that sysadmins seem never to have the time to make things better. |
| 19:29.03 | tarzeau | !qotd |
| 19:29.03 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
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| 19:29.13 | darkgamer20 | cmhai: what do you mean both of them? |
| 19:29.14 | cmihai | oVeRLoRDz-: r00t |
| 19:29.17 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:29.17 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
| 19:29.18 | thomas_adam | PeTeRB: #apahce would know. |
| 19:29.19 | cmihai | darkgamer20: and Buttons |
| 19:29.21 | cmihai | 5 |
| 19:29.25 | bourneagain | valdyn: And that a large part of the game is to reduce support costs. |
| 19:29.29 | arnon | thomas_adam, I was wondering if buying them separately is safer |
| 19:29.36 | emRick | how do I stop ``sidplay'' from looping? I want ``sidplay'' to play the SID file just once. |
| 19:29.36 | thomas_adam | arnon: "safer"? |
| 19:29.38 | tarzeau | Guerin: what's kindy? |
| 19:29.47 | arnon | thomas_adam, like from dead on arrival |
| 19:29.48 | tarzeau | emRick: use open cubic player? |
| 19:29.55 | tarzeau | emRick: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 19:30.01 | thomas_adam | arnon: YMMV, etc, etc. |
| 19:30.01 | tarzeau | emRick: much the better sid player |
| 19:30.03 | PeTeRB | stouset: Ask mad. |
| 19:30.08 | ChrisC35 | ok i'm in ma ls - and i see all the commands, thats good.. but how do I exit it? |
| 19:30.11 | tarzeau | emRick: try alt-c in the file selector |
| 19:30.11 | darkgamer20 | cmhai: emulate 3 button mouse? enable that |
| 19:30.11 | darkgamer20 | ?? |
| 19:30.11 | arnon | thomas_adam, or even getting a combo of lemon |
| 19:30.22 | thomas_adam | ChrisC35: Eh? |
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| 19:30.28 | thomas_adam | arnon: I like lemon. |
| 19:30.32 | fred__ | try :q |
| 19:30.32 | ChrisC35 | cant get out of it |
| 19:30.36 | ChrisC35 | back to my putty screen |
| 19:30.43 | ChrisC35 | oh ok q |
| 19:30.44 | ChrisC35 | cool |
| 19:30.51 | Spec | !qotd0 |
| 19:30.52 | dpkg | somebody said qotd64 was <jeanpoldeux> How can I know if the cpu of my girlfriend is a 386 or a 586? <greycat> jeanpoldeux: it's proprietary. |
| 19:31.02 | arnon | thomas_adam, is there a bigger chance of getting defect product on buying the combo ? |
| 19:31.09 | thomas_adam | ChrisC35: Your enter key is not a means for punctuation. |
| 19:31.11 | fred__ | chrisC35 you could try :q |
| 19:31.15 | ChrisC35 | ok i see the file now - how do i edit it? |
| 19:31.23 | thomas_adam | arnon: No more so than buying the constituent parts. |
| 19:31.27 | bourneagain | greycat: Use a screwdriver? :) |
| 19:31.30 | emRick | tarzeau: no debian package for cubic yet? apt-cache search gives nothing. |
| 19:31.31 | ChrisC35 | i want to edit the .forward file |
| 19:31.34 | Arsenick | haha |
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| 19:31.35 | Spec | ChrisC35: nano .forward |
| 19:31.39 | fred__ | alo overlordz |
| 19:31.48 | Spec | ChrisC35: I'd use vim, but you probably don't know what vim is. |
| 19:31.49 | tarzeau | emRick: well it was uploaded, but then the c++ abi change rejected it |
| 19:31.49 | thomas_adam | arnon: I suppose there's a theoretical safety gain buying the PC "whole" -- but only in a transit sort of way. |
| 19:31.59 | ChrisC35 | what is the easiest editor |
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| 19:32.04 | tarzeau | emRick: so, let's try agian in a month. the package exists. it's just not in debian |
| 19:32.06 | Spec | ChrisC35: nano |
| 19:32.09 | Spec | ChrisC35: that's why i said it :p |
| 19:32.11 | tarzeau | emRick: if it's in, i'll update it to the latest |
| 19:32.16 | ChrisC35 | excellent |
| 19:32.17 | thomas_adam | ChrisC35: How long is a piece of string? Nano, jed, joe, jove .... |
| 19:32.19 | tarzeau | emRick: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 19:32.21 | emRick | tarzeau: ah, the link you gave me has a deb file. |
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| 19:32.21 | K_Dallas | Q: I was looking at Winhq page and noticed that they offer DEB packages for their wine which might have the same version number than what is in debian repos but not exactly the same product. Anyone knows of the differences? |
| 19:32.33 | bourneagain | ChrisC35: They are teaseing I believe. NANO well &#*$&s |
| 19:32.35 | emRick | tarzeau: tnx! |
| 19:32.38 | thomas_adam | K_Dallas: Suplly some detauks. |
| 19:32.41 | tarzeau | emRick: have fun |
| 19:32.53 | Spec | bourneagain: NANO well &$*$&s means? |
| 19:32.58 | fred__ | chrisc35 gedit easy and also vi |
| 19:32.59 | ChrisC35 | i'm in nano now |
| 19:33.05 | valdyn | K_Dallas: who's making that package? |
| 19:33.12 | Spec | nano is pretty damn simple, vim isn't quite intuitive, nano is |
| 19:33.22 | Spec | :wq is not an intuitive command |
| 19:33.24 | K_Dallas | thomas_adam, valdyn the package is from winhq, http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb |
| 19:33.31 | jobezone | yes, nano is cool |
| 19:33.32 | tarzeau | Spec: you cann vim intuitive? DIE! |
| 19:33.33 | thomas_adam | ChrisC35: Nano has, a listing on screen of its key-bindings. Unless you're completely clueless, you can't go wrong. It's very "easy". |
| 19:33.42 | K_Dallas | so i presume it is the original thing! |
| 19:33.45 | bourneagain | Spec: Ok, nano is cool then. |
| 19:33.47 | Spec | I don't understand the english people are using today |
| 19:33.57 | ChrisC35 | nano seems easy yes heh |
| 19:33.57 | Spec | "you cann vim intuitive? DIE!" didn't make any sense to me |
| 19:33.59 | thomas_adam | K_Dallas: I'm more interested in what/why you think the Debian package is deficient. |
| 19:34.26 | K_Dallas | thomas_adam, i didnt say that, i am very much curious to know why they offer another deb package for the same product! |
| 19:34.28 | Spec | ChrisC35: I used pico (nano is a clone of pico) when I first started using linux; then I graduated to vim. |
| 19:34.29 | Teufel | I just reran the setup for xserver and it still isn't working. Whenever I restart or do a startx I get this weird message "I can not start the x server, it is most likely not set up correctly, would you like to view output to try and fix the problem?" |
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| 19:34.48 | ChrisC35 | what I want to do is create a forward, so that both of their email addresses go to a particular email address... in the .forward file do I just put in the forward destination email address? |
| 19:34.48 | Spec | Teufel: view the output, and paste it in flood |
| 19:34.51 | valdyn | K_Dallas: who sais that its different? |
| 19:35.03 | thomas_adam | Teufel: Right -- and have you checked your logs? |
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| 19:35.12 | tarzeau | Spec: call |
| 19:35.14 | Spec | ChrisC35: mail? what's your mail server? |
| 19:35.14 | K_Dallas | valdyn, that is what is written on the link i gave: |
| 19:35.16 | K_Dallas | If you want to make sure that apt-get will install the WineHQ wine package instead of the Debian wine package (which usually has the same version), then add something like the following entry to /etc/apt/preferences: |
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| 19:35.26 | Teufel | spec: it's nothing like a log or anything, just gives the version of xfree86 and junk |
| 19:35.32 | Spec | tarzeau: I said vim -wasn't- intuitive, so nano would be the choice editor for someone who didn't know how to see . files :p |
| 19:35.43 | tarzeau | Spec: oh. sorry |
| 19:35.45 | Spec | Teufel: paste it anyways ^.^ |
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| 19:36.04 | Spec | Teufel: or paste the last section of /var/log/XFree86-blah |
| 19:36.09 | tarzeau | Spec: played too much games today |
| 19:36.09 | bourneagain | Everything is easy, once learned. Well ..... almost true. |
| 19:36.17 | Spec | tarzeau: bnb is gonna kill you |
| 19:36.35 | tarzeau | Spec: you ought to try it just once. i swear it's not addictive!! |
| 19:36.37 | Spec | yes, but there's also something called a learning curve |
| 19:36.40 | Spec | tarzeau: i did try it :p |
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| 19:36.54 | tarzeau | Spec: all the 500 levels? |
| 19:36.54 | ChrisC35 | postfix I believe |
| 19:36.57 | Teufel | spec: xfree86 version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 20050601051219 fabbione@fabbione.net) Release Date: 15 August 2003 Xprotocol version 11, revision 0, release 6.6 |
| 19:36.58 | K_Dallas | valdyn, if i add their deb line to sources.list, update-upgrade shows nothing but if i say apt-get install wine, it decides to remove a few packages and installs some others! |
| 19:37.00 | bourneagain | Spec: I found vi to be very easy to learn. |
| 19:37.03 | ChrisC35 | Spec postfix |
| 19:37.04 | Spec | tarzeau: haha, no, i'm at work |
| 19:37.15 | K_Dallas | bourneagain, good for you :) people usually say otherwise |
| 19:37.17 | Spec | ChrisC35: I think for postfix mail forwarding is done in /etc/aliases, type `man aliases` |
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| 19:37.28 | Teufel | spec: says I need to restart GDM when the x server is configured correctly, what is GDM? |
| 19:37.33 | Spec | vim was easy to -learn-, if you're sitting down and learning |
| 19:37.34 | tarzeau | !gdm |
| 19:37.34 | dpkg | somebody said gdm was the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 19:37.40 | Spec | if you're trying to edit a file and be on your way, then it's not so easy |
| 19:37.43 | tarzeau | Teufel: try !nodm , really good |
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| 19:37.59 | K_Dallas | !nodm |
| 19:37.59 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 19:38.14 | Teufel | tarzeau: event not found |
| 19:38.18 | Gskillet | Why is DVD playback so slow and jerky on Linux? |
| 19:38.37 | K_Dallas | Gskillet, that is a too general a question/accusation ;) |
| 19:38.42 | Learn | Gskillet: you have misconfigured your X |
| 19:38.53 | nonforma | I need to change syslog.conf to stop it from logging iptables messages, my logs are now at 6 gigs, can anyone help? |
| 19:38.57 | valdyn | Gskillet: the question should be "why is it jerky on _your_ box" and we need details still |
| 19:39.05 | greycat | or his DVD is scratched, or ... |
| 19:39.07 | Teufel | spec: lol, I don't even know how to view a log without a guid =/ |
| 19:39.10 | ChrisC35 | How do I create a new .forward file where none exists? |
| 19:39.16 | greycat | ChrisC35: with a text editor |
| 19:39.20 | stouset | nonforma: Stop sending iptables rules to the LOG target |
| 19:39.21 | nonforma | Currently the iptables messages are going to multiple files, /var/log/messages, kern.log, and debug |
| 19:39.22 | Gskillet | the dvd is fine, how do i sync up my drive speed or whatever i need to do? |
| 19:39.27 | bourneagain | touch |
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| 19:39.47 | stouset | nonforma: Alternatively, rotate your logs. |
| 19:39.47 | valdyn | Gskillet: you could try "mplayer -vo xv dvd://" |
| 19:39.49 | Learn | Gskillet: what's your video card ? |
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| 19:39.51 | ChrisC35 | can i do that with nano? |
| 19:39.58 | nonforma | stouset: how do I exclude just iptables though |
| 19:40.04 | Gskillet | savage |
| 19:40.04 | K_Dallas | ChrisC35, sure |
| 19:40.06 | stouset | nonforma: You can't. |
| 19:40.08 | Gskillet | it worked fine on windows |
| 19:40.11 | Gskillet | for dvds |
| 19:40.21 | bourneagain | ChrisC35: command line using touch. If you just want to create the file |
| 19:40.23 | Learn | Gskillet: Linux aint windows |
| 19:40.32 | Gskillet | i know, it's slower :( |
| 19:40.35 | K_Dallas | Gskillet, it means your DVD is all right not your linux configuration |
| 19:40.36 | ChrisC35 | ok i did it in nano - easeir than i thought |
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| 19:40.39 | swim | does anyone happen to know if there is a sid package for the xfce "Terminal" (named Terminal) |
| 19:40.40 | Learn | Gskillet: for you |
| 19:40.42 | nonforma | stouset: so i have to kill /var/log/messages since it logs kern.* ? |
| 19:41.02 | stouset | There is no way to get rid of just iptables messages. |
| 19:41.05 | Gskillet | K_Dallas so what configurations do i need to look at |
| 19:41.08 | stouset | The trick is to not log them in the first place. |
| 19:41.14 | Teufel | Do I have to get X working to use GNOME or KDE? |
| 19:41.26 | rikva | Teufel: yes of course |
| 19:41.26 | swim | of course |
| 19:41.27 | stouset | If you get rid of kern.whateverleveliptablesmessagesareloggedto you miss every other kernel message that has that priority |
| 19:41.36 | stouset | Teufel: Yes... |
| 19:41.40 | nonforma | well theres just kern.* |
| 19:41.46 | K_Dallas | Gskillet, i dont know but since DVD playback is not an issue under linux so try to ask gently here and provide as much as information required so someone could help you |
| 19:41.48 | Teufel | How could I uninstall xserver-xfree86 and install it again? |
| 19:42.00 | stouset | !drxx |
| 19:42.00 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 19:42.14 | Learn | Teufel: apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:42.15 | Phated | 646+619 |
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| 19:42.20 | Phated | Eek, sorry. |
| 19:42.21 | kazim | hi |
| 19:42.31 | stouset | 1265 |
| 19:42.42 | Phated | Yeah, thanks. |
| 19:42.46 | stouset | :-P |
| 19:42.55 | kazim | i have just installed debian i don't manage to startx with fvwm :/ i have set it in default-display-manager in /X11but not work |
| 19:43.04 | stouset | K_Dallas: Has it learned to track dependencies yet? |
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| 19:43.07 | stouset | a la aptitude? |
| 19:43.18 | valdyn | kazim: so you think fvwm is a display manager? |
| 19:43.22 | stouset | K_Dallas: I get the problem that it doesn't know how to uninstall dependencies for packages that no longer exist. |
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| 19:43.30 | kazim | valdyn: it's not the case ? |
| 19:43.33 | swim | i think newbies should learn everything the hardway... that way they struggle at the begining but then have a good knowledge base |
| 19:43.36 | stouset | kazim: No |
| 19:43.38 | valdyn | kazim: no, its a window manager |
| 19:43.42 | TesterWrk | is there a woody rescue floppy that supports ext3 in somewhere ? |
| 19:43.43 | kazim | stouset: ho ... |
| 19:43.46 | swim | that is "hardway" |
| 19:43.52 | stouset | kazim: Undo what you did to /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:44.01 | kazim | damn i m stupid |
| 19:44.02 | kazim | ok |
| 19:44.26 | K_Dallas | stouset, not sure. but i have not had any problems with it except a few cases where i had to remove certain directories manually to make things work |
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| 19:44.34 | bourneagain | swim: I am a newbie, it is good to struggle I agree. Then you actually sit down and learn systematically. If you don't - you sink. |
| 19:44.45 | stouset | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 19:44.49 | swim | yup |
| 19:44.51 | K_Dallas | stouset, i mostly use apt-get and occasionally synaptic, so far i am pretty darn happy about it ;) |
| 19:45.05 | rikva | yes - i still use synaptic and i have no idea how half the apt-get works |
| 19:45.06 | stouset | K_Dallas: aptitude > both |
| 19:45.14 | Spec | The hardware of doing things in linux: You want to see how much space you have left on your harddrive? Write a program for it. |
| 19:45.16 | Teufel | wtf is GDM? |
| 19:45.20 | stouset | !gd |
| 19:45.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gd is a brilliant graphics library, ability to create GIFs and PNGs on the fly. Or maybe just PNGs. it's at http://www.boutell.com/gd/ |
| 19:45.22 | stouset | !gdm |
| 19:45.22 | dpkg | it has been said that gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 19:45.23 | rikva | !gdm |
| 19:45.28 | Teufel | !gd |
| 19:45.30 | rikva | damn |
| 19:45.31 | Spec | !abuse |
| 19:45.32 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 19:45.33 | Teufel | !gdm |
| 19:45.33 | dpkg | it has been said that gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 19:45.37 | rikva | stopit! |
| 19:45.45 | K_Dallas | stouset, frankly the last time i used aptitude it decided to remove a few packages on its own and that made my system unstable :) i was fool enough to accept its suggestions but still :) |
| 19:45.51 | kazim | stouset: okay xdm is here now :/ |
| 19:46.02 | kazim | you know how can i active fvwm ? |
| 19:46.03 | stouset | K_Dallas: synaptic can do the same thing =P |
| 19:46.08 | stouset | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 19:46.20 | rikva | aptitude is nice for a server over ssh, methinks. |
| 19:46.22 | K_Dallas | stouset, synaptic does not propose to you, aptitude did |
| 19:46.26 | Teufel | whenever I start x, all I get is the message that it will be disabled, then I get kicked back to prompt. I've tried reinstalling x, reconfiguring x.... |
| 19:46.26 | stouset | aptitude is nice for everything |
| 19:46.27 | bourneagain | swim: I tried to do it without learning. Did not even realize what the down arrow did at a command line :( Talk about DUMB. I would advise everyone to read a basic manual and work through the examples before trying to do anything hard first. And I say that being a senior software developer. Or at least that is what they call me when they want to butter me up to work overtime for free =) |
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| 19:46.36 | kart_ | !debian |
| 19:46.36 | dpkg | debian is probably http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 19:46.45 | stouset | K_Dallas: synaptic has to somehow propose what the changes are going to be. Otherwise, how will it install dependencies for you? |
| 19:46.46 | K_Dallas | Teufel, you have got problem there |
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| 19:47.34 | K_Dallas | stouset, i mean i ran aptitude and before doing anything it said: you K_Dallas! you have a few packages that you do not really need so should i remove them? And i said yes ;) |
| 19:47.37 | Spec | I don't see how being a software developer has much to do with being a systems administrator ;) |
| 19:47.44 | stouset | bourneagain: Tell them you're a junior software developer and, as such, you should get overtime =P |
| 19:47.56 | stouset | K_Dallas: Ah, yes. Sorry :-( |
| 19:48.16 | Teufel | K_dallas what should I do about it? |
| 19:48.22 | dos000 | is there such a thing as dependency between services in /etc/init.d ? how does one figure which services depends on another to run ? |
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| 19:48.35 | valdyn | K_Dallas: aptitude remember selections made in a different run in a way that is independent of apt-get ( just like dselect does fyi ), so mixing that with apt-get / synaptic is somewhat problematic. |
| 19:48.47 | K_Dallas | Teufel, last time i got into such problem i reinstalled everything, mainly because i had messed up my whole system, for you i dont know |
| 19:48.51 | stouset | dos000: services start in alphanumeric order |
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| 19:48.53 | Spec | dos000: apt-cache show <program> might show you the dependencies of the given <program> |
| 19:49.00 | sDES | I was wondering... Why does a cryptoloop device runs loop with priority -20 during IO operations? |
| 19:49.14 | stouset | dos000: To start a service before another, it should have a lower number in /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 19:49.17 | K_Dallas | valdyn, that is what i was told here so this time no aptitude for me except during the first installation ;) |
| 19:49.20 | stouset | dos000: Manage it with update-rc.d |
| 19:49.21 | Teufel | K_dallas bah, I set it up fine this time, my only mistake was updating during installation, it's messing everything up |
| 19:49.21 | bourneagain | stouset: I already tried that ;) |
| 19:49.25 | HanClinto | How do I permanently set my path for all of my user's sessions? |
| 19:49.26 | dos000 | Spec, i am not speaking of pakge dependency but rather service dependency |
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| 19:49.42 | Spec | dos000: it would make sense that service dependencies and package dependencies would be one and the same? |
| 19:49.42 | stouset | HanClinto: Why do you want to? |
| 19:49.53 | stouset | Spec: No? |
| 19:49.59 | Spec | how not? |
| 19:49.59 | K_Dallas | Teufel, i hope some one here with enough expertise help you out, people help Teufel :) puhleeeez! |
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| 19:50.11 | stouset | Spec: I need x, y, z libraries to run, but you don't "start up" libraries. |
| 19:50.23 | HanClinto | stouset: Well, in my path by default it's got /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin -- I want those two to be in reverse order |
| 19:50.24 | Spec | yes, it'll show you -MORE- information than you need |
| 19:50.30 | dos000 | stouset, yes .. but how does one figure if there is dependency at all ? starting after does not necessarily mean depend on. |
| 19:50.31 | Spec | but it'll also show you the information you need, ne? |
| 19:50.33 | stouset | Teufel: Give the exact message |
| 19:50.53 | valdyn | dos000: direct dependency of services isnt implemented in debian afaik, you should probably respect their startup number ( like S40 ) |
| 19:50.53 | Spec | oh yeah, who here doesn't have a backup of their system? |
| 19:51.01 | stouset | HanClinto: why? =P |
| 19:51.04 | bourneagain | stouset: Yeah, you are right. It is a catch 22. Junior developer - free overtime. Senior developer get to be called senior because they will work free overtime. |
| 19:51.06 | MrKeuner | hi, dh_compress: command returned error code 512 I get this error if I use -rfakeroot option with dpkg-buildpackage. if I run dpkg-buildpackage as superuser package compiles successfully. What is my problem? |
| 19:51.10 | Teufel | stouset: I'm not getting a message now when I try to "startx" I just get it trying to start, it shows a ghosted image of the knoppix desktop, then boots back to prompt |
| 19:51.15 | stouset | HanClinto: You should try not to have the same program names in /usr/local/bin and /usr/bin in the first place. |
| 19:51.17 | K_Dallas | Q: last time I was installing wine i noticed that there was a package: libwine-twain. Does that mean i can install scanner programs for windows under linux thru wine and if so, which ones and further more, would i be able to install an OCR program like finereader too? _i asked in wine chan no result_ |
| 19:51.24 | stouset | bourneagain: :-) |
| 19:51.25 | bourneagain | stouset: That was a GOOD ONE!!!! |
| 19:51.34 | stouset | !knoppix |
| 19:51.35 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or no more debian then mandrake is redhat. |
| 19:51.39 | K_Dallas | Teufel, you might want to look into your log file |
| 19:51.40 | valdyn | dos000: now however i dont know any service that directly depends on another running. |
| 19:51.52 | HanClinto | stouset: Because I have two versions of mono installed -- one from source, and one from the packages. I'm trying to use the one from the packages right now (/usr/bin), not the one that's installed from source (/usr/local/bin) |
| 19:51.56 | stouset | dos000: Unfortunately, there's no really good answer to that. |
| 19:52.00 | K_Dallas | Teufel, if i am nto mistaken in your root dir you could see something like this .xsession_error or something |
| 19:52.02 | stouset | dos000: Use your best judgment in most cases. |
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| 19:52.04 | Teufel | k_dallas: I don't even know how to do that without gui running... |
| 19:52.09 | dos000 | valdyn, is it a good assumption to assume that the stuff in /etc/ini.d will automagically start services they need in the script ? |
| 19:52.27 | K_Dallas | Teufel, do ls .xsess* and then less .xse.... |
| 19:52.31 | stouset | HanClinto: Call the binaries something different. mono-source, or something. |
| 19:52.35 | stouset | HanClinto: Is that a possibility? |
| 19:52.44 | valdyn | dos000: no |
| 19:52.49 | stouset | HanClinto: Because you're also going to have problems with mono libraries, the global assembly cache, etc, I think |
| 19:52.57 | HanClinto | stouset: I s'pose, but there's lots of things including the gac, etc |
| 19:53.11 | stouset | HanClinto: Even worse :-) Some of those don't depend on $PATH |
| 19:53.17 | valdyn | dos000: skip your /etc/init.d/networking and all your network based services cant do their job properly. |
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| 19:53.23 | Teufel | k_dallas : command not found |
| 19:53.33 | K_Dallas | Teufel, which one? |
| 19:53.36 | K_Dallas | less? try more |
| 19:53.39 | HanClinto | Okay, well then is .bashrc just like an autoexec.bat script that is called every time I open a shell? |
| 19:53.42 | Teufel | k_dallas: I have two xfree 86 logs in /var/log |
| 19:53.49 | Teufel | kdallas_ both =P |
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| 19:54.10 | Spec | what are their names? |
| 19:54.15 | HanClinto | If so, I'll just put a line in there like "export MONO_PATH=/usr/bin" or "export MONO_PATH=/usr/local/bin" depending on which one I want to use? |
| 19:54.18 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.21 | stouset | HanClinto: use .bash_profile |
| 19:54.23 | K_Dallas | Teufel, .xsession-errors is the log file in your home directory |
| 19:54.24 | HanClinto | (sorry, /me is migrating from Windows) |
| 19:54.40 | stouset | It's okay. |
| 19:54.43 | stouset | Welcome to Debian. |
| 19:54.48 | Spec | HanClinto: there's a good DotFiles tuitorial in the debian wiki that you need to read |
| 19:54.50 | Teufel | k_dallas: don't see anything like that =/ |
| 19:54.50 | HanClinto | heh, thx. :) I'm enjoying it thus far |
| 19:54.56 | dos000 | valdyn, i have a chrooted environement i got by using debootstrap. i am trying to figure which service i need to start in there to run service like postgres. it is very tricky to figure in this situation. |
| 19:55.00 | HanClinto | Spec: Ooooh. That sounds good |
| 19:55.01 | Spec | HanClinto: it'll explain to you .bashrc .profile, etc, good to read that doc |
| 19:55.03 | stouset | Sorry, it's just that 95% of people ask how to do something, when they're trying to work around it instead of solve the actual problem. |
| 19:55.13 | Spec | HanClinto: I think greycat wrote it, but i'm not sure |
| 19:55.22 | valdyn | dos000: only /etc/init.d/postgresql start i guess |
| 19:55.24 | cire | I have a laptop with only 16 MB RAM. Debian Installer tells me, it would need at least 24 MB. I get a 0-order-allocation error. So, is there a switch to make the installer need less than 24 MB? |
| 19:55.33 | K_Dallas | Teufel, so i am out of wit ;( |
| 19:55.52 | valdyn | dos000: chrooted environments are not supported however so you're on your own pretty much. |
| 19:55.55 | Teufel | k_dallas: Thanks for trying, I'm ganna come back later, I'm getting a tad frustrated |
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| 19:56.02 | K_Dallas | ok, np |
| 19:56.18 | stouset | cire: Probably not. It probably needs 24MB RAM because it *needs* 24MB RAM =\ |
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| 19:56.42 | stouset | cire: You can probably ask #debian-boot and if such an ability exists, they'll know how |
| 19:56.43 | Spec | to the server room! Also, if you don't have a backup of your system, check out the Mondo/Mindi project. |
| 19:56.45 | cire | A few months ago, I installed debian with an older CD. At this time, it only needed 16 MB... |
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| 19:56.54 | stouset | cire: New installer. |
| 19:56.55 | cire | thanks |
| 19:57.07 | MarcN | on debian/sarge, exifcom does't seem to set comments, mogrify -comment will add it, but exiftags doesn't show it. Any ideas how to add a comment to jpg images? |
| 19:57.07 | dos000 | valdyn, tow ! |
| 19:57.08 | beardy | cire: Install woody, then upgrade. |
| 19:57.15 | valdyn | cire: you can use the same old installer |
| 19:57.16 | stouset | cire: As a worst case, you can install from that older CD and upgrade to Debian stable. |
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| 19:58.35 | greycat | !find exifcom |
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| 19:58.56 | tweakgames | Hi all. Is there a way to move all my cached memory to swap? |
| 19:59.08 | greycat | tweakgames: that would be stupid. |
| 19:59.15 | tweakgames | greycat oh sorry why? |
| 19:59.19 | Gathond | tweakgames: why on earth would anyone want to do that |
| 19:59.21 | greycat | swap is information stored on disk. |
| 19:59.34 | greycat | cache is stuff from disk that's stored in memory |
| 19:59.35 | Gathond | tweakgames: cached memory is file contents from the disk cached in memory |
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| 19:59.45 | MarcN | greycat: I've tried exifcom, but complains about no comment. |
| 19:59.58 | greycat | writing disk information out to swap (another part of the disk) would be absolutely insane |
| 20:00.19 | tweakgames | well I need to figure out a way to get rid of the cached memory that isnt being used. I have a game server and well here. http://69.64.171.222/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain-memory-week.png Everytime the cached hits the top of my memory the server crashes. |
| 20:00.22 | stouset | greycat: That would be fun, though. I'm going to write a kernel patch to do that! |
| 20:00.29 | Gathond | tweakgames: so you propose taking the data cached from the disk (since the memory is insanely faster) and writing this out to the same disk |
| 20:00.42 | stouset | tweakgames: That's interesting. Cached memory is expendable, so shouldn't really matter. |
| 20:00.56 | Learn | tweakgames: Memory bug then - the kernel will reduce/expand as needed |
| 20:00.59 | tweakgames | stouset THATS what I thought. But you can see it crashing. |
| 20:00.59 | stouset | greycat: We can cache the disk contents on the disk! |
| 20:01.14 | Gathond | tweakgames: in that case there is a bug somewhere in your system, the kernel clears the cached memory if any process needs it |
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| 20:01.23 | greycat | tweakgames: so your *real* question is 'why is my computer crashing'? |
| 20:01.30 | tweakgames | negative the computer isnt crashing. |
| 20:01.38 | greycat | 16:00 tweakgames> stouset THATS what I thought. But you can see it crashing. |
| 20:01.39 | stouset | tweakgames: the game app is crashing? |
| 20:01.44 | beardy | tweakgames: The game you are running are full of bugs? |
| 20:01.45 | tweakgames | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.00 | greycat | OMMkiller killing it? |
| 20:02.03 | tweakgames | beardy I dont think its buggy, its the worlds most popular game and it does this on all my servers. |
| 20:02.04 | Radiance | guys, any one might know how i tell in inetd.conf that a certain service is only to listen on 127.0.0.1 ? thanks |
| 20:02.06 | Learn | tweakgames: then ist's probably a bug in the server - what do you want to kill ? |
| 20:02.09 | Learn | to run* |
| 20:02.10 | greycat | tweakgames: it's Go? |
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| 20:02.17 | tweakgames | greycat go? |
| 20:02.22 | beardy | tweakgames: chess? |
| 20:02.28 | tweakgames | sorry most popular fps |
| 20:02.30 | stouset | tweakgames: The thing is, the cached memory doesn't really count towards it being full. |
| 20:02.32 | tweakgames | first person shooter |
| 20:02.35 | greycat | soccer/football? |
| 20:02.47 | tweakgames | stouset but you can see RIGHT when it hits the top it crashes. |
| 20:02.47 | stouset | tweakgames: You can have 100% memory usage with cache, open a program, and not swap. It'll wipe the cache. |
| 20:03.00 | greycat | "have sex with this girl without her father finding out"? |
| 20:03.09 | Gathond | tweakgames: if you are the only one with this problem then it is probably not because of the linux kernels memory handling, but because of either a bug in some library the game uses or the particular version you uses |
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| 20:03.10 | Learn | tweakgames: and that would be what ? HL2 ? Doom2 |
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| 20:03.20 | toonX | i think it's counter strike |
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| 20:03.27 | ohad | is it possible to patch the kernel with apmd? |
| 20:03.28 | asuffield | greycat: "have sex with any girl" |
| 20:03.28 | tweakgames | HL2 |
| 20:03.40 | ohad | or apm? |
| 20:03.43 | beardy | tweakgames: There is a big company that sells an operating system that is used quite a lot, some people still claims that it is not that good, even when it's used that much. |
| 20:03.58 | Learn | ahh HL2 can die* (* My personal opignion) |
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| 20:04.06 | stouset | tweakgames: Interesting. |
| 20:04.11 | tweakgames | beardy sorry im confused. |
| 20:04.14 | resiak | !start a nuclear war |
| 20:04.14 | dpkg | SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? |
| 20:04.15 | ohad | is there a kernel patch for apm? |
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| 20:04.18 | tweakgames | stouset see why im so confused hehe. |
| 20:04.27 | greycat | if your application is dying, find out WHY. don't just assume it's because of some totally unrelated thing you *happened* to observe around the same time |
| 20:04.32 | jdhutchin1 | ohad, apm is part of the kernel, you don't need a patch |
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| 20:04.47 | tweakgames | greycat it just stops in mid code line and restarts. I have all the logs no errors |
| 20:04.52 | stouset | tweakgames: On Valve's website I see lots of patches for "memory-leak related crashes" in the changelogs |
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| 20:05.04 | tweakgames | stouset I am up to date. |
| 20:05.06 | resiak | tweakgames: So HL2's server sucks, IOW? |
| 20:05.12 | stouset | tweakgames: And if it was the kernel, other things would crash. |
| 20:05.27 | tweakgames | so most likly there is nothing I can do? |
| 20:05.57 | Learn | tweakgames: Complain to Vavle (it's their product after all) |
| 20:06.00 | Gathond | tweakgames: why does the server crash, what does the log file say about it? |
| 20:06.18 | resiak | echo ur servr si shite fix it kthxbi | mail support@valve.com -s OI |
| 20:06.18 | ohad | jdhutchin1, how do i check if it is loaded on my kernel? |
| 20:06.26 | tweakgames | it says this <so in so> killed <so i / and it gets choped in mid blah blah |
| 20:06.30 | tweakgames | but its not allways durring a kill |
| 20:06.33 | stouset | tweakgames: Just because you're up to date doesn't mean all their bugs are gone :-) |
| 20:06.34 | ohad | jdhutchin1, i feel like it is not |
| 20:06.37 | tweakgames | its just random when memoery reaches top. |
| 20:06.42 | beardy | tweakgames: Call the support on the company you bought the gamesever software from? Or see if there are others running the same thing that has the same problem. |
| 20:06.48 | tweakgames | I own the game server. |
| 20:06.49 | resiak | tweakgames: So it's got a horrific memory leak? |
| 20:06.58 | greycat | tweakgames: what the fuck is "memory" in this context? WHAT NUMBERS are you observing and WHAT VALUES do they have? |
| 20:07.04 | Learn | tweakgames: it's probably trying to allocate more then you have RAM - how much memory does the box have ? |
| 20:07.12 | greycat | are you running out of SWAP space? |
| 20:07.12 | tweakgames | resiak I donno, maybe it just looks like it loads everything that happends into ram and never lets it go. |
| 20:07.24 | greycat | are you exceeding a ulimit? |
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| 20:07.38 | tweakgames | 900 mbs I would put more but the kenel doesnt support high mem support :0( |
| 20:07.39 | Learn | tweakgames: and is it when there's 12 players or does it happen even with 1 player ? |
| 20:07.45 | resiak | tweakgames: I say again, "so their server is shit?" |
| 20:07.48 | greycat | tweakgames: of COURSE it loads everything into RAM! That's the whole point! |
| 20:07.50 | asuffield | he's running HL2, it's just buggy and crashes a lot |
| 20:07.52 | tweakgames | greycatn im not using any swap |
| 20:07.56 | Gathond | tweakgames: install a kernel that does SUPPORT high mem then |
| 20:08.03 | greycat | tweakgames: you HAVE NO SWAP, or you have swap but it is UNUSED? |
| 20:08.06 | tweakgames | greycat but it doesnt need to keep a map it played 5 days ago into ram! |
| 20:08.14 | ohad | jdhutchin1, if i run lsmo | grep apm i get nothing |
| 20:08.15 | greycat | tweakgames: why not? |
| 20:08.20 | tweakgames | greycat I HAVE SWAP just not using it |
| 20:08.20 | swim | damnit I forgot, how do I install unrar-nonfree in debian amd64? (no deb's for them, there is another way) |
| 20:08.21 | greycat | if nothing else is using that RAM, let it stay there. |
| 20:08.29 | tweakgames | wow nevermind im not going 2 listen 2 greycat any more |
| 20:08.32 | asuffield | who cares? maps don't take up memory space |
| 20:08.36 | ohad | jdhutchin1, are you sure it is loaded in the kernel;)? |
| 20:08.40 | Gathond | tweakgames: perhaps not, but that would still be the server that is buggy if it never clears stuff from memory |
| 20:09.01 | greycat | Gathond: there could also be a file cache, if a "map" is a file. |
| 20:09.04 | tweakgames | gathond, ok so the best plan would be to ask steam huh? |
| 20:09.06 | stouset | tweakgames: You would do well to listen to greycat. |
| 20:09.16 | stouset | tweakgames: Sometimes he can be a bit rude (*cough*) but he's usually right. |
| 20:09.21 | tweakgames | stouset but he isnt listening to me just goes off. |
| 20:09.24 | Gathond | swim: you might be able to grap the i386 source package and compile that with dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 20:09.31 | greycat | Gathond: of course, the real point here is that "just because his RAM is being used doesn't mean it's a problem" |
| 20:09.34 | stouset | tweakgames: There's no reason not to keep a map you played 5 days ago in memory |
| 20:09.39 | Gathond | greycat: in that cas it hurts nothing, and should not make the server process crash |
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| 20:09.49 | stouset | tweakgames: In fact, it's a very good idea. As long as nothing else needs that memory, why not let it stay? |
| 20:09.51 | greycat | !free memory |
| 20:09.51 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 20:09.53 | Learn | tweakgames: install a kernel with high memory support - that's the 1st thing I'd do |
| 20:09.53 | Gathond | tweakgames: yes, you paid for the damn thing right? |
| 20:10.16 | tweakgames | stouset becuase when server hits top of ram it crashes thats why. |
| 20:10.22 | resiak | tweakgames: I say again, "so their server is shit?" |
| 20:10.29 | tweakgames | gathond I own the srever and where its hosted. |
| 20:10.29 | resiak | :) |
| 20:10.33 | thorie | how do i send e-mail to a specific IP address? |
| 20:10.34 | swim | Gathond, there is a very easy way that is explained in some README ... |
| 20:10.36 | asuffield | Gathond: this is a game. once you've paid for it they no longer have reason to care about you. you do not represent potential future income at this point |
| 20:10.49 | cmihai | echo bla | mail 127.0.0.1 :) |
| 20:11.00 | asuffield | post-sales service for games is something of a bad joke |
| 20:11.01 | thorie | i mean using my regular e-mail client |
| 20:11.15 | Gathond | asuffield: that might be yes, but he can always hope:) |
| 20:11.16 | Learn | themolester: someone@127.0.0.1 |
| 20:11.26 | stouset | tweakgames: And as mentioned before, if it was a kernel or memory handling thing, more than the game would crash :-) |
| 20:11.27 | thorie | but i want to use the correct domain name like thorie.com |
| 20:11.30 | asuffield | "games are buggy. get over it" |
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| 20:11.40 | beardy | tweakgames: Which kernel do you run? |
| 20:11.41 | tweakgames | stouset ok thanks. |
| 20:11.42 | thorie | how do I send mail to tak@thorie.com without using the MX record for thorie.com ? |
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| 20:11.46 | tweakgames | beardy let me check here just a sec |
| 20:11.47 | asuffield | usual problem with non-free crap |
| 20:11.54 | tweakgames | Linux p4big 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:11.57 | stouset | tweakgames: You can pretty much depend on the fact that the kernel will allocate and free memory correctly. |
| 20:11.58 | Gathond | tweakgames: af cause if it only happens after several days why not just restart the server software whenever no one was online |
| 20:12.13 | tweakgames | gathound it happends every 3 hours |
| 20:12.21 | tweakgames | but I put a gb in so its every 6 hours now. |
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| 20:12.27 | erps | updated webmin via aptitude, now when I log in says I have access to none of the modules... and I'm not finding where I set the acessible modules list |
| 20:12.33 | greycat | thorie: by hand., |
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| 20:12.38 | greycat | thorie: telnet somewhere 25 |
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| 20:13.00 | thorie | greycat: i can't seem to get the headers right so spamassassin keeps flagging it... so i want my real mail client to send the mail |
| 20:13.02 | Learn | tweakgames: then it's their software not the kernel that is your problem |
| 20:13.12 | erps | any idea what I'm supposed to modify to fix that? not finding the usual culprits. |
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| 20:13.33 | greycat | thorie: MUAs don't speak to foreign MTAs. They just invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail to queue the message locally, and it's your local MTA's job to look up the MX records and so on. |
| 20:13.38 | tweakgames | ok thanks all I will contact them. |
| 20:13.41 | tweakgames | Have a great day |
| 20:13.45 | thorie | greycat: can I "trick" the server somehow to pretend thorie.com resolves to a different IP address? |
| 20:13.46 | Gskillet | Need help setting up a Bluetooth USB Receiver on Linux - dongle is not detected on Plug-in, what do I need to get it started, (someone said enabling it in Kernel but I don't know how) |
| 20:13.55 | greycat | thorie: that depends on your local MTA |
| 20:13.58 | stouset | tweakgames: Sorry we can't help more. |
| 20:13.59 | thorie | greycat: i mean, resolves to another MX address? |
| 20:14.07 | stouset | tweakgames: The thing is, you say that you're sure it's not the game because tons of people use it. |
| 20:14.27 | thorie | greycat: for example, dig MX thorie.com shows 24.6.101.121 ... but i would like this to be different |
| 20:14.28 | Spec | yeah, greycat has no idea what he's talking about tweakgames |
| 20:14.29 | stouset | tweakgames: WAY more people use the Linux kernel for a lot heavier uses, and if something like that were in the kernel, people would know about it. |
| 20:14.40 | greycat | it shows *what*?? |
| 20:14.40 | stouset | Spec: Yes, he does. |
| 20:14.41 | Gathond | tweakgames: it could be some shared library thing, if the server is made for redhat version something and debian uses a slightly different version I suppose |
| 20:14.47 | Spec | stouset: sarcasm doesn't work over the internet :-/ |
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| 20:14.57 | thorie | greycat: the MX record's IP address |
| 20:15.01 | stouset | Spec: It does if you wink! |
| 20:15.04 | Spec | ;) |
| 20:15.07 | Spec | ^.~ |
| 20:15.10 | greycat | thorie.com. 1H IN MX 0 mail.thorie.com. |
| 20:15.13 | stouset | Oh, crap, you were being sarcastic. |
| 20:15.18 | thorie | sarcasm always works ;) |
| 20:15.18 | Spec | =P |
| 20:15.28 | Chat451 | what's SID? |
| 20:15.28 | greycat | mail.thorie.com has address 24.6.101.121 |
| 20:15.31 | greycat | Chat451: /msg dpkg sid |
| 20:15.32 | Spec | !sid |
| 20:15.32 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 20:15.37 | stouset | You know, I feel kind of stupid. |
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| 20:15.41 | thorie | greycat: yeah i want to trick it somehow, to think it's another address |
| 20:15.44 | stouset | I'm using a terminal with screen under X. |
| 20:15.46 | cmihai | tweakgames: I've got over 1GB of RAM and 2.5 swap used once for a java / oracle thingie, and guess, what, didn't crash. And I've seen way better than that. The more RAM is actually used, the better! |
| 20:15.50 | Chat451 | stouset ? |
| 20:15.50 | thorie | greycat: can I add mail.thorie.com 1.2.3.4 in /etc/hosts ? |
| 20:15.50 | greycat | thorie: as I said, that depends on your local MTA |
| 20:15.54 | greycat | thorie: no |
| 20:16.10 | greycat | that's not even the right *format* for hosts(5) |
| 20:16.18 | thorie | oh i mean switched around |
| 20:16.25 | greycat | but more importantly, most MTAs don't look in /etc/hosts. ever. |
| 20:16.25 | Chat451 | heh I loved SID from toy story |
| 20:16.29 | Chat451 | he was funny |
| 20:16.29 | stouset | Hmm...does anyone know why screen "blinks" whenever you hit backspace on an empty command line, or tab when there's nothing to complete? |
| 20:16.37 | Spec | tweakgames: I've got 4 gigs of ram, two processors, all running an ltsp server with 16 clients, each client running mozilla and open office, and I -still- don't have memory problems. |
| 20:16.39 | stouset | I *think* it's whenever a console beep ('\a'?) would occur |
| 20:16.42 | greycat | stouset: visual bell |
| 20:16.44 | thorie | greycat: hmm... im using postfix |
| 20:16.46 | stouset | Ow. |
| 20:16.48 | stouset | Can I turn that off? |
| 20:16.50 | greycat | thorie: then ask #postfix |
| 20:16.53 | greycat | stouset: man setterm |
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| 20:16.55 | wols_ | greycat: don't they use the standard resolver which happens to look in /etc/hosts? |
| 20:16.59 | thorie | greycat: they told me it's beyond the scope of postfix |
| 20:17.04 | cmihai | stouset: you can disable the visual bell in screen if you like. |
| 20:17.05 | beardy | stouset: The visual bell "beeps". |
| 20:17.11 | thorie | greycat: and ask for help from my distribution on managing DNS and hosts |
| 20:17.20 | greycat | wols_: the standard resolver does NOT look in /etc/hosts. you're thinking of gethostbyname() which is not what MTAs use. |
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| 20:17.32 | asuffield | if you're using postfix then you're expected to implement your own MTA |
| 20:17.40 | stouset | cmihai: looknig for it :-) |
| 20:17.45 | greycat | thorie: what? that's really surprising. qmail can do it in one line. |
| 20:17.47 | wols_ | asuffield: ? |
| 20:17.58 | greycat | thorie: in qmail, you'd just put a line in smtproutes (man qmail-remote for the details) |
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| 20:18.04 | thorie | hmm |
| 20:18.08 | wols_ | greycat: what is the resolver then if not the code behind gethostbyname() which is part of libc? |
| 20:18.11 | MrKeuner | dh_compress: command returned error code 512. I get this error if I use -rfakeroot option with dpkg-buildpackage. However, if I run dpkg-buildpackage as superuser package compiles successfully. What can be the problem? |
| 20:18.20 | Chat451 | debhelper: botsnack |
| 20:18.21 | kitty_ | I have this old toshiba laptop but I'm struggling with the infrared-device.. |
| 20:18.37 | greycat | wols_: most MTAs use strictly DNS name resolution. They only look in /etc/resolv.conf and then make UDP connections. |
| 20:18.44 | thorie | greycat: can I modify the linux kernel to convert the MX record? |
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| 20:18.48 | asuffield | greycat: and in exim it'd be some line in either the rewrite or director section, I forget which. but postfix is drugs |
| 20:18.49 | greycat | !pal thorie |
| 20:19.06 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 20:19.09 | Spec | postfix is drugs? |
| 20:19.16 | Spec | `apt-get consume postfix` |
| 20:19.17 | greycat | "on drugs" maybe |
| 20:19.18 | asuffield | Spec: everybody who uses it is stoned |
| 20:19.19 | wols_ | thorie: run your own dns-server. like use dnsmasq |
| 20:19.24 | asuffield | greycat: no, *is* drugs |
| 20:19.25 | stouset | Thank god. |
| 20:19.28 | Spec | asuffield: I use postfix :p |
| 20:19.35 | Learn | I use postfix too |
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| 20:19.54 | Learn | Not sure if I should be proud tho.. |
| 20:20.02 | Spec | it works...i don't see a problem =P |
| 20:20.22 | Learn | That's what I tell myself before I GOTO bed :) |
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| 20:20.29 | Chat451 | what's postfix? |
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| 20:20.36 | Spec | Learn: i was gonna say something like that, actually :p |
| 20:20.37 | stouset | Chat451: Email server. |
| 20:20.44 | Gskillet | Need help setting up a Bluetooth USB Receiver on Linux - dongle is not detected on Plug-in, what do I need to get it started, (someone said enabling it in Kernel but I don't know how) |
| 20:20.47 | Chat451 | ohhhh yeah |
| 20:20.49 | Chat451 | I knew that... |
| 20:20.57 | Learn | Gskillet: Google it - best bet |
| 20:20.59 | Chat451 | postfix and what? sendmail? |
| 20:21.21 | Learn | Chat451: Postfix Procmail Spamassasin |
| 20:21.26 | Spec | I hear qmail is good from one of my friends |
| 20:21.32 | stouset | Anyone here use Glade? |
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| 20:21.43 | Spec | but, i wouldn't know; i've never used qmail. |
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| 20:21.58 | Learn | Postfix does what I want - so it's good |
| 20:22.04 | greycat | I don't recommend qmail for newbies. it's a bit difficult for the non-Unix-savvy to grok. |
| 20:22.05 | thorie | Postfix is worse than sendmail |
| 20:22.10 | DrPete | Whats the deal with these control panels like c-pannel and plesk? I have never used them myself, I just wondered if its viable to do hosting domains/websites without one these days? |
| 20:22.14 | wols_ | Learn: and does it easily compared to others like qmail imho |
| 20:22.27 | Learn | wols_: Good to know :) |
| 20:22.36 | wols_ | DrPete: depends on your customers |
| 20:22.39 | thorie | someone should make an Easy MTA |
| 20:22.41 | Spec | greycat: Whoever told me about it either knew the head developer, or donated lots of money to the project, or helped development...something, i'm not sure which :p |
| 20:22.43 | jene | Oops. Sorry. |
| 20:22.57 | wols_ | thorie: postfix is very easy I'd say |
| 20:23.01 | greycat | Spec: some people love it, some people hate it, some people just run screaming. |
| 20:23.12 | thorie | Postfix is insane... it's 10 times more complex than sendmail. |
| 20:23.15 | Chat451 | greycat what? |
| 20:23.16 | Learn | thorie: the same guy will make a bug free windows |
| 20:23.17 | Spec | I know very little about mail unfortunately, so, yeah... ;p |
| 20:23.19 | Chat451 | qmail? |
| 20:23.20 | stouset | thorie: You're kidding me. |
| 20:23.20 | greycat | Chat451: qmail |
| 20:23.31 | stouset | thorie: It's so damned easy to configure. |
| 20:23.40 | Gathond | greycat: sounds like my experience witn exim3, I ran screaming :) |
| 20:23.41 | Chat451 | still could be more complicated |
| 20:23.42 | Chat451 | I guess |
| 20:23.43 | wols_ | thorie: so why are you using it if it's so complicated? |
| 20:23.44 | thorie | I got sendmail up and running within a few minutes. I've been working with Postfix for almost 11 days now, trying it to get a single damn e-mail. |
| 20:23.44 | asuffield | thorie: that would be exim |
| 20:23.46 | Spec | postfix is pretty easy to configure it, like i said, i use postfix and i know -very- little about mail |
| 20:23.52 | wols_ | and: nothing is worse than sendmail. nothing |
| 20:24.04 | Chat451 | imo something could be complicated and yet easy to configure at the same time |
| 20:24.13 | einsteinmg | is there a .deb with kernel manpages? |
| 20:24.13 | thorie | sendmail is still the #1 linux/unix/*bsd e-mail MTA |
| 20:24.16 | greycat | wols_: nuclear holocaust maybe |
| 20:24.29 | greycat | einsteinmg: kernels have no man pages |
| 20:24.34 | swim | bucky, do you know how to install unrar-nonfree on amd64? THe deb's are not available for amd64, but there is another way I've forgotten. |
| 20:24.36 | DrPete | wols_: Yeah, your right. Are there any free alternatives out there, I know there is webmin, last time I used that it was not up to much, how is it these days |
| 20:24.37 | greycat | einsteinmg: perhaps you want the section 2 pages, which are in manpages-dev |
| 20:24.50 | Chat451 | swim unrar-nonfree? |
| 20:24.55 | einsteinmg | greycat: no i want the kernel manpages, section 9 |
| 20:25.00 | Chat451 | is that like the not-free version of unrar? |
| 20:25.00 | swim | yes |
| 20:25.07 | greycat | arc1:~$ man 9 intro |
| 20:25.07 | greycat | No manual entry for intro in section 9 |
| 20:25.18 | greycat | !find intro.9 sarge |
| 20:25.29 | asuffield | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.29 | asuffield | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.29 | Chat451 | !find my left sock |
| 20:25.35 | asuffield | get with the century |
| 20:25.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'intro.9' returned no results. |
| 20:25.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'my left sock' returned no results. |
| 20:25.46 | einsteinmg | greycat: section 9 are normally kernel syscalls |
| 20:25.47 | greycat | Chat451: it went through the dimensional vortex behind the dryer |
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| 20:25.52 | Chat451 | lol ok thanks |
| 20:25.53 | stouset | Chat451: grep -r sock /home/Chat451/ |
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| 20:25.56 | greycat | einsteinmg: uh, no, section 2 is syscalls |
| 20:26.02 | asuffield | einsteinmg: section 9 is not normally anything. section 9 has never BEEN anything |
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| 20:26.15 | einsteinmg | greycat: nope, section 2 are libc, not kernel internals |
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| 20:26.20 | wols_ | !find ksoftirqd.9 sarge |
| 20:26.24 | greycat | einsteinmg: wrong. section 3 is libc. |
| 20:26.24 | jene | Hello. I just upgraded woody to sarge. Good. But i said "no" to upgrading bind9 and now i need help getting it to work. Could someone help me repair my broken bind9? |
| 20:26.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ksoftirqd.9' returned no results. |
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| 20:26.34 | greycat | einsteinmg: you really need to hit the man pages. |
| 20:26.37 | simonrvn | uh, they're in 2, and glibc is 3 usually. other stuff too |
| 20:26.47 | Spec | <3 info |
| 20:26.48 | wols_ | so where the heck does that file in man9 come here? |
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| 20:26.53 | simonrvn | dev stuff ends up in 3. |
| 20:26.58 | Spec | Info documentation is better than man documentation, more often than not |
| 20:27.02 | einsteinmg | greycat: man man; 9 Kernel routines |
| 20:27.12 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.16 | asuffield | einsteinmg: read the next line |
| 20:27.16 | greycat | "Non standard" |
| 20:27.22 | simonrvn | man 3 <tab> |
| 20:27.23 | simonrvn | Completing manual page |
| 20:27.24 | simonrvn | ASN1_OBJECT_free ASN1_OBJECT_new ASN1_STRING_cmp |
| 20:27.28 | simonrvn | etc. |
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| 20:27.29 | asuffield | greycat: run that on a Debian box. you'll get the line I pasted above |
| 20:27.31 | jene | Sorry, i meant to say that i said "no" to the upgrade script during the upgrade process. |
| 20:27.34 | diegows | hi |
| 20:27.34 | diegows | i have a little program with lvm |
| 20:27.34 | diegows | the escenario is |
| 20:27.34 | diegows | 2 PVs (hda4 and hdc) |
| 20:27.34 | diegows | 1 LV |
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| 20:27.38 | greycat | asuffield: I just pasted sarge's |
| 20:27.44 | asuffield | greycat: huh. try sid |
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| 20:27.51 | nadavr | I uploaded the new screenshots for Vprogfiler. http://vprofiler.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:27.51 | diegows | vgscan not recognices hdc as valid PV |
| 20:27.53 | diegows | lvm pvdisplay /dev/hdc display info |
| 20:27.55 | diegows | sorry |
| 20:27.57 | diegows | hi |
| 20:27.58 | asuffield | greycat: oh, sorry, man(7) |
| 20:27.59 | diegows | i have a little program with lvm |
| 20:28.01 | diegows | the escenario is |
| 20:28.03 | beardy | !enter |
| 20:28.03 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 20:28.05 | diegows | 1 LV |
| 20:28.11 | diegows | 2 PVs (hda4 and hdc) |
| 20:28.15 | simonrvn | beardy++ |
| 20:28.19 | einsteinmg | greycat: hmmm.... there is no .deb of kernel internal manpages? |
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| 20:28.32 | diegows | using all space available space in hdc y hda4 |
| 20:28.34 | greycat | einsteinmg: you're welcome to search packages.debian.org to your heart's content |
| 20:28.37 | diegows | this was working with kernel 2.4.25 and lvm 1 |
| 20:28.41 | diegows | but, when i reinstall the system with 2.6.8 and lvm2 or lvm1 (i tried with botch) |
| 20:28.42 | einsteinmg | even no hidden make-kpkg kernel-doc option? |
| 20:28.56 | diegows | vgscan not recognices hdc as valid PV |
| 20:29.00 | diegows | any idea? |
| 20:29.01 | wols_ | einsteinmg: only package which puts a file in man9 for me is manpages.deb |
| 20:29.12 | greycat | einsteinmg: as asuffield said, "man 7 man" gives some relevant information |
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| 20:29.22 | DrPete | Anyone use a debian VPS? thay any good? |
| 20:29.24 | simonrvn | diegows: can you put all that into one line? that made no sense whatsoever |
| 20:29.34 | diegows | ok |
| 20:29.36 | diegows | sorry |
| 20:29.38 | beardy | diegows: Step away from the keyboard and count to 10, drink some water and Think about how to ask a good, well thought out question that people can understand and help you with. |
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| 20:29.58 | asuffield | anyway, section 9 was a bad plan that never happened. there has never been anything in section 9 |
| 20:30.12 | einsteinmg | greycat: ah k, sorry overlooked your answer |
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| 20:30.23 | wols_ | asuffield: I have something in there: ksoftirqd.9 |
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| 20:30.57 | simonrvn | the only thing in sect. 9 is that here, too |
| 20:31.03 | asuffield | wols_: well that's misfiled |
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| 20:31.25 | wols_ | file a bug against manpages then |
| 20:31.31 | asuffield | it should probably be in 7 |
| 20:31.43 | simonrvn | man 7 \nCompleting manual page \nAF_LOCAL AF_UNIX |
| 20:31.47 | diegows | i have a little program with lvm. The escenario is 2 PVs (hda4 and hdc) and 1 LV, using all space available space in hdc y hda4. This was working with kernel 2.4.25 and lvm1, but when i reinstall the system with 2.6.8 and lvm2 or lvm1 (i tried with both), vgscan not recognices hdc as valid PV. lvm pvdisplay /dev/hdc display info nevertheless |
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| 20:31.50 | simonrvn | etc. |
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| 20:32.42 | simonrvn | isn't that covered in the lvm and whatever howto? |
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| 20:33.24 | EnsignRedshirt | Basic gnu/linux question: How should I set the permissions on a directory called /srv/svn so that I can import some files from my home directory into a new subversion repository? |
| 20:33.27 | jene | Okay. How about: How do i restart the upgrade process (woody to sarge) for just bind9 so that i can say "yes" this time? |
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| 20:34.18 | resiak | jene: dpkg-reconfigure bind ? (Just a guess.) |
| 20:34.51 | beardy | EnsignRedshirt: 'man chmod' |
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| 20:35.07 | jene | Thank you resiak. I tied that but it didn't start the dialog again, it just tried to restart bind9. :( |
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| 20:35.17 | jene | Thank you resiak. I tried that but it didn't start the dialog again, it just tried to restart bind9. :( |
| 20:35.19 | einsteinmg | greycat: thx :) |
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| 20:36.29 | jene | So what i really need to know is: what are the steps that the script would take to do the upgrade from woody to sarge for bind9 so that i can fix it by hand. Does anyone know where to find that script? |
| 20:36.43 | jesperj | when my computer has idled for a while, my monitor says "no input signal" and goes black. I have turned off the monitors power saving feature and I dont think this is in bios. How can I check if/fix if Debian is doing this? |
| 20:36.55 | pipeline | jene: The source package probably has it. |
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| 20:37.08 | jesperj | I want the monitor to be on all the time/singal from graphics card to monitor to be on all the time |
| 20:37.14 | EnsignRedshirt | beardy: OK, I've done "chgrp -R subversion /srv/svn" and "chmod -R 770 /srv/svn", and I added myself to the subversion group, but I still get "permission denied" when I try to import. |
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| 20:37.25 | pipeline | jesperj: xset dmps off ? |
| 20:37.27 | shingouz | jesperj: you have xscreensaver there? |
| 20:37.47 | jene | Thank you pipeline. Do you know where i might find the source package? |
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| 20:38.28 | jene | I know, that should just roll off the tip of my tongue, but i haven't memorized all of the dirctories yet. |
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| 20:38.52 | Gskillet | Where can I download gentoo-sources? |
| 20:39.09 | thomas_adam | Gskillet: Eh? |
| 20:39.11 | simonrvn | Gskillet: apt-get source gentoo |
| 20:39.12 | jesperj | pipeline, will check that out ty. shingouz it happens wether or not I use xscreensaver |
| 20:39.15 | pipeline | Gskillet: Ask #gentoo |
| 20:39.24 | Gskillet | simonrvn thx |
| 20:39.30 | cmihai | As in "distfiles" ?! Does this look like #gentoo ? :) |
| 20:39.31 | pipeline | jene: use apt-get with the "source" keyword instead of "install" or "remove" |
| 20:39.57 | cmihai | Gskillet: gentoo has "portage" and that gets the sources automatically, kind of like apt-get, but with source code... |
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| 20:40.13 | valdyn | cmihai: gentoo is also a filemanager |
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| 20:40.18 | Gskillet | cmihai ok |
| 20:40.26 | simonrvn | ignore cmihai |
| 20:40.52 | cmihai | valdyn: it's also a midjety penguin, so ?! |
| 20:41.04 | simonrvn | @ff cmihai |
| 20:41.05 | ravenbird | cmihai: fartfish |
| 20:41.09 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 20:41.17 | FieldySnuts | !hire cmihai |
| 20:41.28 | bucky | Gskillet, Daniel has his own personal repository on microsoft.com |
| 20:41.33 | jene | Thank you pipeline. Do you recall what directory those files are now being downloaded to? |
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| 20:41.52 | pipeline | jene: The cwd, IIRC |
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| 20:42.21 | jesperj | pipeline, is this something I need to put in my .xsession file? |
| 20:42.27 | jesperj | or similar |
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| 20:42.39 | Hugle | Heya guys |
| 20:42.44 | pipeline | jesperj: There's an option in XF86Config that will do the same thing as xset dpms off, but I can't remember what it is. |
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| 20:42.51 | jene | pipeline I'm sorry but i have no idea what "The cwd, IIRC" means? |
| 20:42.56 | mo79 | which program should I use for burning cue nad bin files.? |
| 20:43.01 | Learn | jesperj: Option "DPMS" "Off" IIRC |
| 20:43.03 | Hugle | what should I type in lilo promp so it boots me to single user mode? I need to change root passwd |
| 20:43.03 | simonrvn | Option "DPMS" "off" |
| 20:43.12 | jesperj | ty |
| 20:43.16 | bucky | jesperj, see Option "SuspendTime" "time" in man XF86Config-4 |
| 20:43.16 | valdyn | mo79: cdrdao |
| 20:43.20 | pipeline | jesperj: You could install xscreensaver and configure xscreensaver never to allow the monitor to suspend :P |
| 20:43.24 | FieldySnuts | pass single to your kernel |
| 20:43.35 | mo79 | valdyn: thx |
| 20:43.39 | Learn | jene: CWD is Current Directory |
| 20:43.40 | Gskillet | I just want to be able to use a bluetooth usb dongle, and I have to download portage to get gentoo to get sources to turn bluetooth usb on in the kernel? |
| 20:43.42 | Chat451 | mmm cookie |
| 20:43.51 | bucky | jesperj, and if you edit XF86Config-4 by hand you'll have to reset it's md5sum |
| 20:43.52 | pipeline | Gskillet: Don't troll. |
| 20:43.59 | FieldySnuts | wrong channel... seriously ask #gentoo |
| 20:44.02 | londonboi2k3 | Hi guys, I have a 2 problems i am hoping you can help me solve. The first is SSH, when i try to ssh in to my pc from remote or local locations i get permission denied (public key) is there any way around this? |
| 20:44.07 | jesperj | ty |
| 20:44.11 | Gskillet | but I dont even know if gentoo is what I need |
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| 20:44.16 | Learn | Gskillet: no just compile your kernel - Gentoo is another distribution |
| 20:44.19 | valdyn | Gskillet: why do you think you need anything named "gentoo" ? |
| 20:44.22 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Gskillet |
| 20:44.23 | dpkg | Gskillet: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound thx |
| 20:44.38 | FieldySnuts | moron. i suggest use of /ignore Gskillet*!*@* all or similar |
| 20:44.39 | Gskillet | I am reading a tutorial on turning bluetooth on |
| 20:44.45 | jene | Oh dear! Now i have a lot of files in a place i didn't want them. Nevertheless. Thank you pipeline. I will now go and repair this error. |
| 20:44.46 | bucky | Gskillet, are you still running your install kernel? |
| 20:44.46 | Gskillet | said i needed gentoo-sources |
| 20:44.50 | Gskillet | yeah |
| 20:44.53 | pipeline | Gskillet: Perhaps you shouldn't be reading a tutorial that has nothing at all to do with debian. |
| 20:45.06 | valdyn | Gskillet: you are reading a gentoo ( the distro ) specific howto - bad idea. |
| 20:45.06 | Gskillet | well one of you brilliant folks here sent it to me :( |
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| 20:45.16 | londonboi2k3 | any ideas guys? |
| 20:45.19 | bucky | Gskillet, upgrade your kernel |
| 20:45.20 | simonrvn | Gskillet: uh... wha? |
| 20:45.20 | pipeline | Gskillet: Linux distributions differ enough to be considered separate operating systems. |
| 20:45.22 | FieldySnuts | he's been told several times, just ignore him, wasting your time adn effort |
| 20:45.37 | Gskillet | bucky: how do I update the kernel |
| 20:45.50 | thomas_adam | hehe, word meanings: "scum" -- it has arrived. |
| 20:45.53 | cmihai | Hm. |
| 20:45.57 | bucky | Gskillet, go to debian.org and read the apt-get howto |
| 20:46.05 | Gskillet | ok |
| 20:46.25 | Learn | bucky: WHOA - he might LEARN something - don't you think that's a bit drastic ? |
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| 20:46.34 | FieldySnuts | no pun? |
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| 20:46.41 | simonrvn | ohnoz!!! learning something!@!!!111!!1 |
| 20:46.43 | Hugle | what should I type in lilo promp so it boots me to single user mode? I need to change root passwd. |
| 20:46.59 | Gskillet | bucky: i know how to use apt-get, do i apt-get kernel to upgrade? |
| 20:47.01 | justin | !tell Hugle about i forgot root's password |
| 20:47.03 | cmihai | linux 1 or something like that. |
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| 20:47.29 | bucky | Gskillet, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
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| 20:47.35 | rpozo | hi all |
| 20:47.35 | Hugle | thanks |
| 20:47.51 | valdyn | Gskillet: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick a kernel-image-, apt-get install it |
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| 20:48.00 | beardy | Gskillet: apt-cache search kernel-image, install the one you need. |
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| 20:48.06 | Gskillet | alrighty |
| 20:48.16 | toubsu | how can i find what /dev/ my modem is using? |
| 20:48.21 | bucky | apt-get install hand holder |
| 20:48.24 | otto_ | I'm doing a dist-upgrade to sarge from woody. It wants to remove pcmcia-cs. How can I prevent that? I need to have it running, because my root fs is on a compact flash. |
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| 20:49.02 | Learn | toubsu: /dev is a safe bet |
| 20:49.07 | stouset | otto_: I don't think pcmcia-cs is needed any more. |
| 20:49.15 | Gskillet | I'm trying to enable bluetooth in the kernel, so do I need the kernel-package or the source? |
| 20:49.16 | simonrvn | bucky: hand-holder |
| 20:49.26 | raf256 | what can I use to watch TV (tvtuner)? |
| 20:49.28 | bucky | otto_, are you using aptitude to do the dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:49.29 | stouset | otto_: Besides, by the time pcmcia-cs is loaded, you already have to have your root FS up and running. |
| 20:49.30 | FieldySnuts | !handhold bucky |
| 20:49.31 | Spec | Gskillet: a customized kernel always rocks |
| 20:49.40 | stouset | Gskillet: It's always in the kernel anyways. |
| 20:49.42 | cmihai | raf256: I'd say TVTIME is nice :) |
| 20:49.43 | stouset | Spec: Go to hell. |
| 20:49.49 | otto_ | stouset, no more? You mean with 2.6 kernels... |
| 20:49.51 | cmihai | Eyes help. |
| 20:49.53 | otto_ | bucky, hell no |
| 20:49.54 | Spec | stouset: whaaat? |
| 20:49.57 | Spec | stouset: what'd i say wrong? |
| 20:49.58 | shingouz | Spec: do you want to do the hand-holding? |
| 20:49.59 | fat | hi guys, i'm monitor a bunch of stuff on various servers using snmp, but i've run into some problems... for example, when i type 'snmpwalk localhost ssRawCpuUser' it says 'unknown OID'... but it's in the MIB files in /usr/share/snmp/mib... why can't i see it? |
| 20:50.03 | bucky | and people say we have no sense of humor |
| 20:50.09 | Spec | shingouz: no, google holds hands for me |
| 20:50.12 | beardy | !beer stouset |
| 20:50.20 | Spec | www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 20:50.22 | stouset | otto_: Like I said, by the time pcmcia-cs even factors into the equation, you've already got your root FS up and running |
| 20:50.26 | wols_ | raf256: tvtime |
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| 20:50.29 | stouset | Spec: About compiling your own kernel =P |
| 20:50.31 | stouset | !rolling your own |
| 20:50.31 | dpkg | somebody said rolling your own was usually a bad idea, unless you're using make-kpkg on one of Debian's kernel-source packages. Unless you know what you're doing AND have a really compelling reason, there is just no goddamn point |
| 20:50.33 | stouset | !custom kernel |
| 20:50.33 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 20:50.33 | bucky | otto_, that's what the release notes say to do |
| 20:50.38 | Spec | stouset: it's really easy to compile your own kernel :p |
| 20:50.47 | stouset | Spec: And really pointless too =P |
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| 20:50.57 | Spec | stouset: depends |
| 20:50.58 | FieldySnuts | stouset: BS. |
| 20:50.59 | cmihai | looooooooooool |
| 20:51.00 | stouset | Spec: And the source of an unneccessary and pointless amount of confusion. |
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| 20:51.07 | Spec | hehe |
| 20:51.10 | otto_ | stouset, last time time I did the upgrade it lost the fs after it stopped the service |
| 20:51.11 | Spec | gotta go, 10 mins to deliver package |
| 20:51.13 | stouset | Spec: Especially when people do it to fix things that weren't broken to begin with. |
| 20:51.15 | FieldySnuts | your every day cluebie shouldn't bother. if you're running serversor something i do. |
| 20:51.18 | cmihai | That's just fucked up. OpenBSD / Debian custom kernel faq ...lol |
| 20:51.18 | stouset | otto_: I see. |
| 20:51.19 | valdyn | Spec: if you think its very easy then you probably dont have a clue what you are talking about. |
| 20:51.26 | bucky | most people can't use apt let alone compile a kernel |
| 20:51.28 | stouset | FieldySnuts: Why even if you're running servers? =P |
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| 20:51.32 | FieldySnuts | valdyn: if you think it's hard, then you probably dont have a clue what you are talking about. |
| 20:51.46 | FieldySnuts | stouset: you can't be asking me that seriously. |
| 20:51.55 | stouset | cmihai: It's an OpenBSD custom kernel fact, but their arguments against compiling your own custom kernel are the same as what we would say. |
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| 20:52.00 | stouset | FieldySnuts: I am. |
| 20:52.04 | otto_ | stouset, I tried to pin up pcmcia-cs priority, but it didn't seem to affect dist-upgrade |
| 20:52.06 | Learn | and I have no clue what you're talking about - so what does that make me ? |
| 20:52.07 | FieldySnuts | ignored. get a clue. |
| 20:52.22 | stouset | ...that's pointless, and rude. |
| 20:52.31 | LoneWlf | Flaming the newbs... wow, I haven't watched this happen in a long while |
| 20:52.39 | FieldySnuts | must not come here often |
| 20:52.40 | LoneWlf | 'course I haven't been here in awhile either |
| 20:52.40 | cmihai | stouset: yeah, I know. I'm running it... |
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| 20:53.00 | cahoot | stouset: telling people to go to hell and later complain about rudeness? |
| 20:53.02 | Gskillet | How do I access the kernel configuration? |
| 20:53.12 | liable | haha |
| 20:53.15 | fat | why can i snmpget some mibs, but not all of them? |
| 20:53.26 | shingouz | Gskillet: are you serious? |
| 20:53.30 | stouset | cahoot: Point taken. Sarcasm sadly doesn't translate over IRC well. |
| 20:53.34 | fat | Gskillet: it's in /boot/config-blah |
| 20:53.47 | stouset | cahoot: As Spec would probably agree with me on. |
| 20:53.47 | bucky | Gskillet, cat /boot/config-2.6.8-2-? |
| 20:53.53 | Gskillet | ok thanks |
| 20:53.58 | simonrvn | fat: www.net-snmp.org (?) (check the #net-snmp topic) has a faq |
| 20:54.09 | cahoot | stouset: sarcasm tends to quite overused here anyway |
| 20:54.14 | fat | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 20:54.25 | stouset | Speaking of sarcasm, where the hell has abrotman been? |
| 20:54.26 | bucky | Gskillet, if you upgrade your kernel you do have to reboot for it to take effect |
| 20:54.28 | stouset | haven't seen him ina ges. |
| 20:54.42 | stouset | Gskillet: You don't need to change you kernel. |
| 20:54.47 | Gskillet | bucky i didnt upgrade it yet i think i have the latest one |
| 20:54.49 | stouset | Gskillet: Bluetooth support is already enabled by default. |
| 20:55.00 | shingouz | stouset: he was here yesterday. or today, depends on how you look at it |
| 20:55.05 | stouset | !seen abrotman |
| 20:55.06 | dpkg | abrotman <~abrotman@pcp01413775pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17h 20m 16s ago, saying: 'gravity: if you google around .. you can find the stuff about beagle/debian ... or ask #debian-mono'. |
| 20:55.12 | Gskillet | stouset oh but my Bluetooth manager etc says device isnt connected |
| 20:55.14 | wols_ | Gskillet: read this: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 20:55.18 | ohad | hi, i am trying to compile my own kernel (2.6.12) - rebooting i got the following error : kernel panic - not syncing : vfs : unable to mount root fs on unknown -block (0,0) |
| 20:55.31 | Learn | Gskillet: Did you check to see if it's supported ? |
| 20:55.32 | stouset | Gskillet: Doesn't mean you need to go around compiling kernels. It's already in the kernel. |
| 20:55.37 | green_earz | Gskillet: uname -a for your kernel version |
| 20:55.40 | shingouz | ohad: just use a debian kernel and that problem will go away |
| 20:55.43 | simonrvn | SteveJobs? oi |
| 20:55.53 | fat | ohad: you should have used a initrd image (or compiled your root-filesystem type into the kernel) |
| 20:55.56 | stouset | Gskillet: If it *was* a problem with the kernel, it's extraordinarily unlikely that compiling your own would fix it. |
| 20:56.07 | Gskillet | 2.6.10-5-386 |
| 20:56.08 | paulswm | ohad: You have to compile support for your root filesystem into the kernel |
| 20:56.13 | stouset | Gskillet: Considering all the options you'd need to get bluetooth to work are already in the kernel. |
| 20:56.21 | Gskillet | oh, well everyone tells me my problem is that it isnt enabled in the kernel |
| 20:56.37 | bucky | Gskillet, maybe you have to modprobe a module or two |
| 20:56.38 | takatumi | ohad: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 20:56.38 | fat | Gskillet: there should be a module... |
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| 20:56.48 | toubsu | Learn: i meant /dev/ttyS* |
| 20:56.50 | wols_ | ohad: and your IDE chipset |
| 20:57.03 | Gskillet | bucky: ok, i do remember something about modprobe |
| 20:57.08 | Learn | toubsu: ttyS0 = COM1, ttyS1 = COM2 ... |
| 20:57.10 | stouset | Gskillet: cat /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 | grep CONFIG_BT |
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| 20:57.22 | stouset | Gskillet: Nothing there has an n by it |
| 20:57.28 | green_earz | Gskillet: or use modconf to enable the modules you need |
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| 20:57.48 | stouset | cat /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 | egrep CONFIG_BT*=n |
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| 20:57.54 | rpozo | is it possible to do a uname -a or a modprobe when booting to a debian install cd made from a download from the debian website (talking about woody)? |
| 20:58.03 | Gskillet | ok modconf |
| 20:58.09 | liable | Gskillet: what version of debian are you using? |
| 20:58.11 | Gskillet | modconf command not found :/ |
| 20:58.15 | rpozo | i ask because it boots directly into the installation program |
| 20:58.17 | stouset | Gskillet: Do you have hotplug running? |
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| 20:58.21 | Gskillet | hotplug is |
| 20:58.21 | jon787 | is it me or did the FTP sites not update today? |
| 20:58.24 | shingouz | Gskillet: install it then |
| 20:58.28 | Niriven | Can anyone explain to me why a floppy formats to 1.38mb not 1.44? |
| 20:58.28 | takatumi | Gskillet: install it. |
| 20:58.32 | stouset | simonrvn: Bah, it's just easier for me to do cat foo | grep bar |
| 20:58.39 | Gskillet | 3.1 debian, install it how i plugged it in then |
| 20:58.41 | jon787 | Niriven: differing opinions on wether mega means 1000 or 1024 |
| 20:58.42 | Gathond | Niriven: what do you format is as ? |
| 20:58.49 | valdyn | Niriven: thats possible if your formatting tool marked some blocks as bad. |
| 20:58.51 | jon787 | plus some overhead for the filesystem |
| 20:58.54 | stouset | simonrvn: For the same reason that if I want to find the length of $_ in perl, I'm going to use length; and not y///c =P |
| 20:59.03 | green_earz | Gskillet: apt-get install modconf |
| 20:59.09 | Spec | valdyn: how do i have not a clue what i'm talking about |
| 20:59.12 | simonrvn | that's perl, it's expected ;p |
| 20:59.12 | Gskillet | green_earz k |
| 20:59.14 | Spec | valdyn: because i think compiling my own kernel is easy |
| 20:59.25 | Spec | valdyn: after doing the same thing lots of time, it gets to be pretty easy |
| 20:59.37 | Gskillet | green_earz E: Couldn't find package modconf |
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| 20:59.47 | simonrvn | doing cat foo | grep bar spawns an extra unneeded process |
| 20:59.47 | Spec | valdyn: especially with debian tools where you don't even need to make or anything, it just results in a .deb that you install |
| 20:59.53 | stouset | Spec: It is, if you know what you're doing. But there's a lot of opportunity to fuck up. Generally, nobody in #debian will support you if you've compiled your own, because 99.999% of the time that's where the problem lies. |
| 20:59.54 | valdyn | Spec: because you are advertising to newbies as easy what for sure isnt trivial. Particularily not with 2.6.x and its permanent changing bugs and issues, |
| 21:00.04 | Nebulous | I restarted my debian machine and mason/apache sessions seem to be broken :( Does anyone have any idea where I should look other than the real obvious places? |
| 21:00.14 | green_earz | Gskillet: apt-get update |
| 21:00.15 | bucky | Gskillet, what does /sbin/runlevel say? |
| 21:00.17 | toubsu | Learn: i understand that as well, i guess i mean how can I find the COM port |
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| 21:00.36 | Spec | valdyn: I had to compile my first kernel 'cause I needed support for 4 gigs of ram, it took a couple of tries, but once I got it, it's been pretty easy ever since |
| 21:00.41 | rpozo | hello? |
| 21:00.41 | Gskillet | bucky says not a directory |
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| 21:00.56 | Spec | valdyn: it's not like people should avoid compiling their own kernel at all costs -- everyone's a newbie the first time they compile it, might as well start now |
| 21:01.02 | Spec | but alas; i must leave |
| 21:01.13 | bucky | Gskillet, what distro are you running? |
| 21:01.14 | takatumi | Spec: I agree. |
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| 21:01.18 | shingouz | Gskillet: do 'runlevel' |
| 21:01.19 | Gskillet | bucky: ubuntu |
| 21:01.24 | shingouz | bingo |
| 21:01.30 | Gskillet | shingouz N 2 |
| 21:01.31 | bucky | you're in the wrong channel |
| 21:01.35 | takatumi | !knoppixbadger |
| 21:01.35 | simonrvn | /sbin/runlevel if need be |
| 21:01.43 | takatumi | gah |
| 21:01.44 | Gskillet | bucky: so all i need though is modconf thru ubuntu |
| 21:01.46 | shingouz | Gskillet: you run ubuntu and you ask questions on #debian? |
| 21:01.56 | bucky | Gskillet, /join #ubuntu |
| 21:02.00 | Spec | and some people need to be punished |
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| 21:02.05 | shingouz | Gskillet: /part #debian |
| 21:02.19 | PainKiller | anybody else have had problems setting up VIA AC97 onboard sound with the latest i386 net install ? |
| 21:02.30 | buu | Hrm. What utility could I use to sniff/read traffic from my serial port? |
| 21:02.35 | shingouz | !tell PainKiller about ac97 |
| 21:03.04 | shingouz | PainKiller: also: /msg dpkg ask and /msg dpkg sicco |
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| 21:04.10 | stouset | buu: cat |
| 21:04.21 | green_earz | Gskillet: have a look at installing debian from a net installer cd which is 110 meg in size. the rest of the packages will be installed over the net |
| 21:04.27 | buu | stouset: Er, how would I use cat to read from serial? |
| 21:04.37 | stouset | cat /dev/ttyS[0-9] |
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| 21:04.52 | jsn | What's the name after sarge? |
| 21:04.53 | buu | ah |
| 21:04.57 | green_earz | Gskillet: try it out on a spare machine |
| 21:04.57 | stouset | jsn: etch |
| 21:05.02 | stouset | buu: No clue if that'll work like you want it to :-) |
| 21:05.04 | jsn | Merci, stouset |
| 21:05.04 | stouset | Worth a shot, though. |
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| 21:05.11 | Gskillet | green_earz ubuntu install worked pretty well, ill just try installing the modconf.deb on it |
| 21:05.12 | stouset | jsn: Why? |
| 21:05.15 | buu | stouset: I shall attempt it. |
| 21:05.18 | wols_ | buu: use minicom if you just want some terminal app |
| 21:05.27 | PainKiller | thanks shingouz, i realise i'm not specific enough, it's snd-via82xx i have problems with setting up |
| 21:05.36 | jsn | stouset: Because it isn't in the news for the release of 3.1 on debian.org, I guess. |
| 21:05.45 | cmihai | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 21:05.50 | cmihai | Why does it say that ?! |
| 21:06.02 | simonrvn | uh... |
| 21:06.02 | shingouz | PainKiller: you are still very vague and just ask the channel, not me, i am not an expert on sound |
| 21:06.03 | buu | stouset: "input/output error" |
| 21:06.07 | stouset | jsn: Haha, fair enough. Just don't go putting it in your sources.list yet. |
| 21:06.08 | wols_ | cmihai: does say what? |
| 21:06.08 | buu | wols_: I shall look in to it. |
| 21:06.15 | stouset | buu: D'oh, the device is probably locked :-) |
| 21:06.17 | cmihai | unstable. |
| 21:06.24 | Nebulous | is there a listing of known issues with a certain release other than the mailing list archives? |
| 21:06.24 | jsn | stouset: strictly idle curiosity |
| 21:06.34 | cmihai | Shouldn't it say "stable" ?! |
| 21:06.44 | bucky | Nebulous, bug tracking system |
| 21:06.59 | bucky | you have to use the site map at debian.org to find it |
| 21:07.02 | Nebulous | yeah, i just found that moments after I asked. Brilliant of me. |
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| 21:07.46 | wols_ | cmihai: it shouldn't say anything imho, cause "unstabl" is no branch like main or contrib is |
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| 21:08.14 | PainKiller | ok, i have a problem setting up my ac97 onboard sound, it needs the snd-via82xx driver I found out. it can't open the device /dev/dsp. /dev/dsp exists, and i've chmodded /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp0 to 777. still nothing. should I be using ALSA ? |
| 21:08.49 | bucky | PainKiller, yes.. apt-get install alsa-base and use alsaconf |
| 21:08.50 | PainKiller | i fear i am either too vague or too specific |
| 21:08.53 | cmihai | wols_: well, when you insert the dvd, it add that line auto-magically. Still, ... looks just strange to me. |
| 21:09.05 | PeTeRB | PainKiller: IIRC snd- *is* ALSA |
| 21:09.17 | stouset | PainKiller: Are you in the audio group? |
| 21:09.20 | wols_ | PainKiller: yes you should. also: is any other program using /dev/dsp already? like one of the good for nothing sounddaemons kde and gnome use? |
| 21:09.34 | shingouz | PainKiller: install alsa-base and alsautils, chmod the dsp back to what it used to be, remove all possible instances of the previous oss modules and run alsaconf. you also have to put yourself in group "audio" and logout/login |
| 21:09.44 | stouset | wols_: You mean the good-for-mixing sounddaemons |
| 21:09.45 | Chat451 | --- Cannot join #gentoo (You are banned). |
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| 21:09.56 | PainKiller | do i need to run alsaconf from a non-x terminal? |
| 21:09.58 | cmatheson | blank_: sorry, it was ubuntuguide.org... you want to check 'apps->nautilus->preferences->always_use_browser in gconf |
| 21:10.04 | gently | gnome 2.10: how to create user-defined menus? Had a couple of menus with remote hosts that disappeared with 2.10 |
| 21:10.05 | sam_ | do anyone use the dosbox package with sarge and have lagged sound? |
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| 21:10.18 | wols_ | stouset: no, I mean the good for nothing sounddaemons which hog the /dev files all for themselves and cause every other sound outputting program to fail |
| 21:10.18 | bucky | Chat451, so are you going for getting banned here as well ? |
| 21:10.22 | shingouz | PainKiller: any terminal as long as you are root |
| 21:10.25 | stouset | gently: Ask #gnome-debian on irc.gimp.org |
| 21:10.25 | cmatheson | oops, wrong channel sorry |
| 21:10.31 | PainKiller | I am in group audio |
| 21:10.39 | stouset | wols_: Isn't that what every other sound outputting program does? =P |
| 21:10.44 | robin_sz | bucky: is it possible to get banned from here? |
| 21:10.54 | stouset | robin_sz: Yes. |
| 21:10.57 | PainKiller | i'll try to install alsautils, see what it does |
| 21:10.59 | robin_sz | coo. |
| 21:11.05 | gently | stouset: will do, thanks |
| 21:11.07 | wols_ | stouset: maybe, but at least they put out sound. sounddaemons don't do anything but hogging :P |
| 21:11.37 | stouset | wols_: Sure they do. They let multiple programs be able to use the sound device. |
| 21:11.38 | PainKiller | doh, alsa-base installed the newest version of alsautils |
| 21:11.46 | wols_ | robin_sz: easily. just start onjoin spamming for example |
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| 21:11.55 | stouset | wols_: Unfortunately, they need to be coded to support esd/artsd/etc hthohugh :-( |
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| 21:11.57 | beardy | sam_: Lower the cycles. And don't have the mixing rate(?) too high. |
| 21:12.07 | wols_ | stouset: no, that's what they _pretend_ to do. I've never seen them work correctly tho :) |
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| 21:12.16 | stouset | wols_: I see it all the time :-) |
| 21:12.18 | cmatheson | wols_, what do you mean? |
| 21:12.24 | robin_sz | wols_: I tried asking stupid questions, so far I have survived ;) |
| 21:12.27 | cmatheson | it's always worked for me |
| 21:12.28 | buu | wols_: I'm trying to use minicom, but I think I'm missing something. I just want to display whatever is sent to my serial port and it doesn't seem to do that |
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| 21:13.04 | person | how do I use a pda with GNOME |
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| 21:13.08 | wols_ | buu: you'd need something which snoops the transmit register of the serial post |
| 21:13.10 | ttick | Okay, I'm trying to get hotplug to run a script (to create a symlink when I insert my USB flashdrive, and remove it when I extract the drive) when the USB drive is autofs mounted. The autofs part seems to work fine, the drive is mounted, but I can't seem to get hotplug to run a script on this. Anyone point me to a good webpage on the topic, or something. I'm following the instructions on: http://www.greenfly.org/tips/u |
| 21:13.20 | buu | wols_: Oh god. |
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| 21:13.34 | wols_ | to use minicom for this purpose, you'd need a loopback connector or a nullmodem cable I guess |
| 21:13.45 | buu | Er, is there something I could use instead? |
| 21:13.46 | robin_sz | hmmm ... |
| 21:14.06 | robin_sz | buu: this is probably a banning offence .. but I know of such things for windows ... |
| 21:14.08 | wols_ | buu: use a nullmodem cable. connect that to the 2nd serial port and use minicom to display that |
| 21:14.22 | buu | wols_: Second.. serial port? |
| 21:14.22 | person | lol |
| 21:14.28 | wols_ | robin_sz: I do too, but none for linux unfortunately |
| 21:14.31 | person | the trapazoid |
| 21:14.37 | robin_sz | wols_: agreed |
| 21:14.45 | wols_ | buu: most mobos have 2 serial ports. some newer ones don't unfortunately |
| 21:14.46 | person | the trapazoid ports with the pins |
| 21:14.51 | buu | robin_sz: I was using hyperterm on teh windows. |
| 21:15.18 | buu | I've got this hideous hack going here right now and it's not working. So I'm trying to isolate the broken parts. |
| 21:15.20 | robin_sz | wols_: I use them for debigging the crap that various CNC machining apps send to the serial port, port snoopers, no harwdawre required |
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| 21:15.30 | wols_ | buu: and minicom is the same as hyperterm, just for linux. but I don't see how you could do what you want with hyperterm |
| 21:15.48 | tweakgames | How do I get a list of all my dev/hdas and stuff? |
| 21:15.49 | buu | wols_: Er, hyperterm just connects to the serial port and reads/writes to it, I don't see the complication |
| 21:16.03 | PeTeRB | tweakgames: fdisk -l |
| 21:16.14 | AssO | hi i have a problem installing debian via netinstall (kernel 2.6 and 2.4 image) on a ultrasparc1 which has 2 4 GB scsi drives, booting and half of the installer just works fine up to partitioning; i erased my drives and i want to create a new partition to use in a sw-raid later on size 3.8 GB, but i only get 579.5 MB if i try that, if i try increasing the sieze manually i get an error, saying too big! can anyone point me in the right direct |
| 21:16.17 | wols_ | buu: which is exactly what minicom does. so why didn't it work for you? |
| 21:16.18 | kazim | on what package there is bunzip2 please ? |
| 21:16.19 | jaime_alberto | I'm having a problem with wu-ftpd: It allways repors the detailed list of files wheter you use ls or dir so in the windows machines when accesing through MyPC the files appear with the file date prepended. How can I make ls and dir work properly? |
| 21:16.23 | buu | wols_: Good question! |
| 21:16.30 | wols_ | kazim: bzip2 |
| 21:16.31 | robin_sz | buu: there are 'doze apps that will snoop on a serial port as other applications us ot so you can see everything that goes past |
| 21:16.44 | bucky | AssO, does it support your scsi controller? |
| 21:16.47 | kazim | wols_: thanks a lot |
| 21:16.53 | kingsley | What's a good way to diagnose why emails addressed to root are reported in exim's log file but aren't received by root? |
| 21:17.02 | wols_ | jaime_alberto: why do you use wu-ftpd? |
| 21:17.04 | buu | wols_: Of course, the current cable I'm using has a stable for one of it's pins |
| 21:17.06 | person | how do i access my PDA in GNOME? |
| 21:17.17 | AssO | bucky: i do not have a lot of information on that machine, how can i check? |
| 21:17.19 | beardy | buu: Not really, the terminal program needs to be configured correctly for the serialport you connect it too, to be able to receive anything. |
| 21:17.31 | albo | whats a program i can install to get http headers |
| 21:17.35 | jaime_alberto | wols_, 'cause I need an ftp daemon |
| 21:17.37 | wols_ | kingsley: cause root doesn't receive mails. they are routed to some other user, whatever you set for it |
| 21:17.39 | robin_sz | person: which PDA? |
| 21:17.45 | shingouz | person: if the pda is a Palm, try jpilot |
| 21:17.46 | person | palm zire |
| 21:17.48 | bucky | AssO, google |
| 21:17.53 | buu | beardy: Well, how do I set up minicom appropiately? |
| 21:17.58 | AssO | bucky: thx ;) |
| 21:17.59 | wols_ | jaime_alberto: and wu-ftpd is a shitty choice for one. use proftpd, vs-ftpd, etc. but NOT wu-ftpd |
| 21:18.02 | buu | It seems to want to talk to the modem |
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| 21:18.03 | stouset | albo: get from *where* exactly |
| 21:18.12 | kingsley | wols_: I suspected redirecte mail too, but /etc/aliases was innocent... |
| 21:18.13 | shingouz | reminds me that i have to backup my palm too |
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| 21:18.16 | stouset | jaime_alberto: I second that. wu-ftpd is a steaming pile of crap |
| 21:18.23 | albo | stouset: well theres program named HEAD written in perl, but i can apt-cache search for it |
| 21:18.30 | bucky | wu-ftp sucked on redhat and it will always suck |
| 21:18.33 | beardy | buu: The first thing you have to do is choose the correct serialport.. |
| 21:18.33 | stouset | kingsley: No, root *does not receive mail* |
| 21:18.33 | wols_ | kingsley: what do you use to store mail? |
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| 21:18.47 | stouset | kingsley: *forward them* |
| 21:18.47 | buu | beardy: Well, I seem to only have one. |
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| 21:18.54 | buu | albo: It's part of LWP. |
| 21:19.08 | wols_ | kingsley: there is an unholy trinity of linux daemons in this world: bind, sendmail and wu-ftpd. they're all evil |
| 21:19.09 | jaime_alberto | wols_, stouset : OK i don't mind changing the daemon as long as it make possible to access the files |
| 21:19.10 | beardy | buu: Choose that then. /dev/ttyS0 hopefully. |
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| 21:19.22 | buu | beardy: Yes.. choose it *where*? |
| 21:19.26 | capu | Hi all - whats the linux command to unZIP a file? |
| 21:19.27 | person | thanks |
| 21:19.38 | wols_ | capu: install unzip, then run it |
| 21:19.43 | kingsley | stouset: Ah, I see in exim.conf that, as you say, root doesn't receive mail. Thanks. |
| 21:19.56 | beardy | buu: In the configuration. Alt-C (?) Alt-Z gives you a help screen. |
| 21:19.58 | samuel | the program gnome-keyring seems to be storing gksu and gksudo passwords, is there any way to stop it? im afraid there is little or no docs available on this, and the README has nothing usefull in there |
| 21:20.13 | buu | beardy: Yes, I've got the help screen, not seeing a menu item "CHOOSE SERIAL PORT" =[ |
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| 21:20.47 | capu | ok, thanks wols_ |
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| 21:21.14 | Jon | hi all. On a computer with a dodgy CD-ROM, I got enough through debian-installer to format an existing ext3 partition but then it conked out on installing the OS. net result is a broken grub. only reliable way to boot is via floppy now. What should I do, to rebuild grub enough to boot windows (oh yes, it was my mother's laptop) |
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| 21:21.22 | buu | beardy: Oh, never mind. I see it. |
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| 21:21.39 | beardy | buu: Of course it's not called that. It's called "Configuration" or simillar. |
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| 21:21.55 | wols_ | Jon: put grub on a floppy and boot from it. you can (re)install grub from there |
| 21:22.02 | kingsley | stouset & wols_: Thanks. Commenting out "never_users" in exim.conf solved the problem. |
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| 21:22.14 | stouset | kingsley: Bah, you should forward root's mail |
| 21:22.17 | Jon | wols_: ok that's a good start, thanks |
| 21:22.23 | stouset | kingsley: Don't take the lazy way out =P |
| 21:22.37 | beardy | buu: I still don't think this will work the way you want. |
| 21:22.43 | wols_ | kingsley: and since you're at it: also forward postmaster@ |
| 21:23.03 | ohad | hi, is there a good doc/howto compile my own kernel on debian sarge? i am trying to compile my kernel from source |
| 21:23.05 | ohad | 2.6.12 |
| 21:23.22 | kingsley | stouset: It seems to me that aggregating admin emails in root's mailbox makes sense. |
| 21:23.23 | wols_ | ohad: newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 21:23.35 | ohad | wols_, thanks |
| 21:23.38 | wols_ | kingsley: no it does not. |
| 21:23.41 | stouset | kingsley: not in the least. How will you read those emails? |
| 21:23.43 | wols_ | since you never see them |
| 21:23.46 | PeTeRB | ohad: /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:23.49 | wols_ | root is not supposed to run a MUA |
| 21:24.04 | stouset | kingsley: log into your POP server as root? =P |
| 21:24.10 | beardy | buu: I know there are programs to "sit in the middle" and see what is sent to and received to the serialport, I've seen it in the packagelist, but can't remember the name, I'll try and search for it for you, this once. |
| 21:24.31 | wols_ | stouset: no one uses pop servers for their own mail. right? |
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| 21:24.53 | kingsley | wols_ & stouset : I keep root logged in an xterm with a red background open 24/7. xbuffy reports when mail arrives and I read it with mutt in the red xterm. |
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| 21:25.14 | stouset | kingsley: Seems unsafe. |
| 21:25.25 | wols_ | and unecessary too |
| 21:25.29 | stouset | kingsley: Most of us try to preach about never running root, and here you've got a root term open 24/7 :-) |
| 21:25.44 | caphuso | he'll learn, in time |
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| 21:25.56 | stouset | Hopefully not the hard way. |
| 21:25.58 | stouset | Like I have :-) |
| 21:26.02 | caphuso | stouset: there's no other way |
| 21:26.10 | stouset | Probably true. |
| 21:26.34 | Nebulous | that's begging to be made into a slogan |
| 21:26.46 | kingsley | caphuso: Don't hold your breath. I've been using computers for 29 years and Debian since '96. |
| 21:26.47 | stouset | root: Unsafe at any speed. |
| 21:26.47 | caphuso | he'll do something stupid like accidentally saving a mail to /bin/sh |
| 21:27.01 | stouset | caphuso: Speaking from experience, are we? :-) |
| 21:27.03 | caphuso | kingsley: yeah, you're the god of computers. i'll worship you |
| 21:27.12 | stouset | kingsley: Doesn't mean you're immune to user error :-) |
| 21:27.13 | caphuso | stouset: wasn't /bin/sh :) |
| 21:27.24 | stouset | caphuso: Well, with Debian you'd be okay. It's just a symlink |
| 21:27.46 | stouset | I told the story earlier, but I did an "rm -r /var /subdirectory" once. |
| 21:27.54 | kingsley | stouset: I only made one mistake this year. I thought I was wrong once, but it turned out I was right. ;-) |
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| 21:28.08 | stouset | Worst part was, we ran a backup job every night. It mounted the backup drive to /var/somethingorother, backed up, and unmounted. |
| 21:28.18 | stouset | I did that *as the backups were being done*. |
| 21:28.22 | stouset | Two minute window, and I hit it. |
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| 21:28.34 | caphuso | stouset: heh |
| 21:28.40 | kingsley | stouset & wols_: Thanks again. |
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| 21:28.48 | stouset | kingsley: I haven't ever been in a car wreck. I still wear a seat belt and have airbags :-) |
| 21:28.50 | stouset | No problem. |
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| 21:29.56 | wols_ | does anyone know if there is someone crazy enough to write kernel device drivers in asm? |
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| 21:30.15 | stouset | caphuso: I missed new years rebuilding that server ;) |
| 21:30.23 | stouset | wols_: Alan Cox? =P |
| 21:30.30 | jaime_alberto | How do I make a PS2 external mouse work in a laptop? I've seen examples with serial and usb mouses but I need to make work a PS/2 mouse. Knoppix can do it but I haven't been able to make it work in Debian. |
| 21:30.37 | talkwebhosts | what ftp server should i use for debian? |
| 21:30.48 | ledet | talkwebhosts: the one you know best |
| 21:30.52 | talkwebhosts | proftpd 1.2.10-15 |
| 21:30.54 | wols_ | stouset: I'm sure all the main kernel devs are sane enough to write their device drivers in C |
| 21:31.00 | stouset | wols_: Don't know if he writes anything in asm. But I'll be damned if that man doesn't run his tongue across the pins of a PCI device and immediately know how to interface with it, hehe. |
| 21:31.02 | ledet | talkwebhosts: then use that one |
| 21:31.04 | jasoncohen | talkwebhosts, you can use apt-spy to do a bandwidth test. it really depends where you live |
| 21:31.31 | talkwebhosts | in your opinion ledet which is the best for progeny |
| 21:31.32 | talkwebhosts | ? |
| 21:31.35 | wols_ | it's a crappy isdn thingie which runs of the serial port and only has binary 2.2.x drivers |
| 21:31.40 | stouset | !debian-based |
| 21:31.40 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 21:31.41 | simonrvn | apt-spy is hardly a bandwidth tester... besides it's crap (IMO) |
| 21:31.45 | ledet | talkwebhosts: what is progeny? |
| 21:31.49 | wols_ | which happen to disassemble fairly easily :) |
| 21:31.53 | talkwebhosts | progeny debian |
| 21:31.55 | kazim | re |
| 21:32.05 | ledet | !progeny |
| 21:32.06 | dpkg | i guess progeny is Debian-based GNU/Linux distribution company specializing in custom packaging. http://www.progeny.com/, or see progeny installer, or http://componentizedlinux.org/progeny/ |
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| 21:32.30 | tarzeau | !gnustep |
| 21:32.31 | dpkg | gnustep is, like, a cross-platform development environmnt based on OpenStep., or going to be really awesome, if it ever gets finished, or http://www.gnustep.org/, or http://www.lefinnois.net/step-art/, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ (tarzeau the fanboy) |
| 21:32.33 | ledet | talkwebhosts: aah... progeny... did you try asking in #progeny? this is #debian... |
| 21:32.44 | talkwebhosts | #progeny does not exsist |
| 21:32.46 | talkwebhosts | ;( |
| 21:32.53 | jasoncohen | simonrvn, why is apt-spy crap? |
| 21:32.54 | tarzeau | talkwebhosts: #gnustep eixsts |
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| 21:32.58 | ledet | talkwebhosts: no one here knows about progeny... we only know about #debian |
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| 21:33.09 | talkwebhosts | then for debian |
| 21:33.16 | talkwebhosts | what do you use for ftp |
| 21:33.18 | ledet | talkwebhosts: the one you know best |
| 21:33.24 | ledet | talkwebhosts: i use pureftpd |
| 21:33.28 | talkwebhosts | ok |
| 21:33.29 | gba | I just installed festival (the text-to-speech system). And if I tell festival to say something then it speeks too high pitched and too fast. How can I slow it down? |
| 21:33.30 | talkwebhosts | thanks |
| 21:33.32 | ledet | talkwebhosts: but thats because i know that one best |
| 21:33.41 | ledet | talkwebhosts: and because it fits my needs |
| 21:33.48 | jaime_alberto | whenever I configure a ps2 mouse it uses the touchpad but I can't make it work with the extenal mouse, anyone knows how to make the external ps2 mouse work in a laptop? |
| 21:33.55 | ledet | talkwebhosts: it may be a bunch of crap for your needs |
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| 21:34.00 | simonrvn | jasoncohen: the nature of tcp/ip and the internet |
| 21:34.09 | talkwebhosts | just setting up a game server |
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| 21:34.20 | talkwebhosts | no big deal |
| 21:34.27 | tarzeau | anyone for a gtetrinet ? |
| 21:35.01 | ledet | talkwebhosts: still... go with whatever you know... if you dont know anything, tell us that and then tell us exactly what you want to use your ftpd for... |
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| 21:35.08 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: What's that? |
| 21:35.22 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: tetris for up to seven players |
| 21:35.40 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: team play with friendly fire, and extra special bad blocks |
| 21:35.55 | defsy | where can I put a .sty file from CTAN "into dir searched by LaTeX"? |
| 21:35.55 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Hmm. dpkg says it's addictive |
| 21:36.07 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: heh, it lies, just try it once ;) |
| 21:36.21 | gba | no one who uses festival? |
| 21:36.32 | defsy | tarzeau: talking about gtetrinet? |
| 21:36.34 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: But then again, the link dpkg gave me doesn't work. |
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| 21:36.46 | tarzeau | defsy: yep, wanna play ? |
| 21:37.03 | defsy | yep... |
| 21:37.03 | jaime_alberto | noone? :( |
| 21:37.12 | tarzeau | damn why does gtetrinet need dbus and gnome shit? |
| 21:37.12 | defsy | just need to get it up&runnig :) |
| 21:37.32 | tarzeau | yuck it even pulls gnomevfs and libsmbclient shit |
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| 21:37.39 | tarzeau | YUCK YUCK! WTF! |
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| 21:37.46 | tarzeau | is there no tetrinet client without gtk? |
| 21:37.50 | tarzeau | GTK SUCKS ASS |
| 21:38.21 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: What's the next addictive game on your list? |
| 21:38.25 | defsy | tarheelcoxn: don't know :S |
| 21:38.34 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: i haven't played dopewars and nethack for some while... |
| 21:38.37 | beardy | buu: snooper: (Captures communication between two external serial devices), section comm, is optional. Version: 19991202-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 38 kB |
| 21:38.38 | defsy | PeTeRB: have you FrozenBubble already? |
| 21:38.44 | paulswm | !they-switched-to-gnome |
| 21:38.45 | dpkg | Oh good, yet another kde-to-gnome missle launched. |
| 21:38.45 | PeTeRB | defsy: Erm, yeah. |
| 21:38.46 | buu | beardy: Nifty, I'll try it. |
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| 21:38.54 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: i just want a quicky tetris, then shave, shower and bed (alone, sleep) |
| 21:38.55 | buu | beardy: I just completely broke my terminal though, so. |
| 21:39.13 | tarzeau | defsy: tried http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ever? |
| 21:39.13 | beardy | buu: How did you do that? |
| 21:39.18 | tarzeau | defsy: or www.mtp-target.org ? |
| 21:39.26 | buu | beardy: Fuck if I know |
| 21:39.50 | beardy | buu: What did you do, and what happens? |
| 21:39.51 | defsy | tarzeau: never |
| 21:40.47 | buu | beardy: I some how deleted the operating system apparently |
| 21:41.05 | beardy | buu: ? |
| 21:41.17 | tarzeau | defsy: tetrinet.org now? |
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| 21:41.29 | tarzeau | or the debian server? |
| 21:41.29 | defsy | ok tarzeau which room? |
| 21:41.44 | defsy | i don't care if you give me the hostname |
| 21:41.53 | tarzeau | defsy: #pure |
| 21:41.56 | defsy | ok |
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| 21:42.31 | Rawplayer | r00000000000000000000000000000000t |
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| 21:42.59 | beardy | buu: I doubt that. What were you doing when it "broke"? What does it say on the screen now, any error messages? |
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| 21:43.10 | FarrisG | I have dual Xeon machines... What would be the functional difference in running an amd64-smp kernel and an em64t-p4-smp kernel? |
| 21:43.14 | mEEgo | Hello people, I need to change permisions on directory full of files and subdirectories ( and more files ) , anyway, if i do chmod -R 600 directoryfoo, great the files are 600, but the directories too, and i can't change by hand each subdirecory to 700, so is there any way to make the files to be 600 and the directories 700, if it's a directory change to 700 and if it's a file to 500 ? |
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| 21:44.51 | Gskillet | Trying to use my Bluetooth USB Dongle, keeps returning: Device is not available: Success - I have the bluez drivers and utils, I also have the USB BT drivers enabled in the kernel. What am I missing? |
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| 21:45.39 | nvz | what a moron |
| 21:46.02 | nvz | wtf kind of quit message is "Seize the carpe diem" |
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| 21:46.16 | wols_ | a confuddled one |
| 21:46.50 | buu | beardy: No, I deleted the OS, I just need to reset it and reload the os apparently |
| 21:46.58 | shingouz | Gskillet: you are missing the point. you run Ubuntu, you should ask in #ubuntu as they have more of a clue what happens with Ubuntu. did i make myself clear enough? |
| 21:47.05 | buu | beardy: Apparently it thought I was trying to attack it |
| 21:47.07 | Gskillet | (i tried #ubuntu but no one knows there) |
| 21:47.17 | tarzeau | Gskillet: hahhaa |
| 21:47.21 | shingouz | Gskillet: and that concerns us how exactly? |
| 21:47.21 | tarzeau | !UBUNTO |
| 21:47.22 | dpkg | ubunto is, like, http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg or http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y#2005-06-07-ubuntu |
| 21:47.24 | beardy | nvz: Give me your IC curcuit and drop the CD disc. |
| 21:47.25 | Gskillet | shingouz i figure its a general configuration i am missing |
| 21:47.38 | Gskillet | shingouz that is native to debian aswell |
| 21:47.43 | shingouz | Gskillet: i figure its a general clue you are missing |
| 21:47.46 | shingouz | plonk |
| 21:47.46 | PeTeRB | mEEgo: You could try to use find(1) |
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| 21:48.12 | defsy | cu all |
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| 21:48.32 | wols_ | Gskillet: we don't care what is missing. ask ubuntu about missing things for your OS, not us |
| 21:48.33 | beardy | buu: Answer my question if you want help. |
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| 21:48.55 | vladster | IS ther a way to enable loging in irssi? |
| 21:48.59 | concept10 | no ubuntu love in here? |
| 21:49.04 | wols_ | vladster: /set log |
| 21:49.05 | nvz | concept10: nope |
| 21:49.06 | PeTeRB | concept10: This is #debian |
| 21:49.07 | tarzeau | concept10: absolutely not |
| 21:49.11 | concept10 | gosh |
| 21:49.16 | vladster | thankyou |
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| 21:49.19 | Gskillet | vols_ something i am missing to configure, by an answer given here i could pinpoint what it is |
| 21:49.24 | streuner | concept10: troll somewhere else |
| 21:49.24 | jaime_alberto | ok, i've changed wu-ftpd for proftpd and now I can't make ftp conections at all? does it needs any post install config? |
| 21:49.27 | wols_ | concept10: no love for any linux distro but debian. which is why the channel is named #debian, duh |
| 21:49.34 | tarzeau | wols_: heh |
| 21:49.38 | buu | beardy: Well, I don't really want or need help. I just wanted tell you what happened. (About your question, the damn thing won't even turn on, much less display a message) |
| 21:49.46 | concept10 | guys chill out |
| 21:49.47 | vladster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.51 | Gskillet | i have modconfig and was able to find out that i did have the USB drivers working in the kernel already |
| 21:49.53 | websdale | mEEgo:or write a bash script (or with awk maybe or perl...) |
| 21:49.54 | tarzeau | concept10: hey honey, they were even nice to youz |
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| 21:50.06 | concept10 | I have a sarge server :) |
| 21:50.08 | wols_ | Gskillet: how often do we have to repeat it: install debian proper or go away |
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| 21:50.18 | tarzeau | concept10: that's nice, but still won't get you any ubuntu love |
| 21:50.40 | beardy | buu: Oh (I don't really understand you..) So your power supply died or something? |
| 21:50.40 | Nebulous | Gskillet: I think I had a similair problem |
| 21:50.48 | concept10 | I was reffering to the other guy |
| 21:50.55 | concept10 | not me |
| 21:51.06 | Gskillet | nebulous: what was wrong |
| 21:51.09 | buu | beardy: Er, no. I think it thought I was attacking the hardware and set a flag. |
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| 21:51.39 | Nebulous | Gskillet: it was the usb utils I had installed. |
| 21:51.45 | tarzeau | concept10: ah you mean Gskillet . you know when someone writes ubuntu here. an alarming sound is played at full volume and all leds start blinking |
| 21:51.49 | mEEgo | websdale, it's weird that for that task, theres a need for a script, isn't this a common problem ? |
| 21:51.49 | Nebulous | I'm trying to figure out the name of which one I uninstalled and what I put in it's place. |
| 21:51.58 | beardy | buu: What kind of a box is that? |
| 21:52.07 | concept10 | Honestly, you guys that are channel regulars should change your overall attitude. The rep of this channel of notorious |
| 21:52.08 | Gskillet | nebulous the bluez-utils? |
| 21:52.09 | toonX | yeah, concept10 was rather ironic |
| 21:52.29 | kazim | hi i can have background image on X anyone know if i need somepackage ? |
| 21:52.31 | shingouz | Nebulous: if you are running ubuntu you may have a clue what is happening with Gskillets box. if you run debian it is highly possible that your advice is going to screw up his system |
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| 21:52.51 | LoneWlf | make is a piece of binutils right? |
| 21:52.52 | Gskillet | shingouz: ubuntu isnt relatively different from debian |
| 21:52.53 | streuner | toonX: he is a moron |
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| 21:52.56 | concept10 | shingouz, it depends on what it is |
| 21:52.57 | tarzeau | LoneWlf: no |
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| 21:53.03 | tarzeau | Gskillet: yes it is |
| 21:53.08 | Nebulous | no, it was the usb manager doohicky. |
| 21:53.13 | shingouz | concept10: i said "highly possible" |
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| 21:53.29 | Nebulous | the one I had installed didn't gracefully remove/unmount usb devices and dongles |
| 21:53.31 | tarzeau | concept10: i've never heard of that from anyone but you. and well those in #debian_ and #debian(-?)friendly and someone else |
| 21:53.32 | Gskillet | shingouz: its just missing some packages, configuring a usb bluetooth wouldnt make a difference on either ,and if it would i could find out what packages i need here |
| 21:53.40 | LoneWlf | tarzeau: that's right, make is make |
| 21:53.47 | jasonr | whats a multiverse??? x.org i cant even t if the packages are the same or not.... |
| 21:53.49 | tarzeau | concept10: from what i know, the poeople in here are excellent to eachother |
| 21:53.50 | LoneWlf | tarzeau : nm :P, thanks though |
| 21:53.55 | concept10 | tarzeau, you must only use this channel |
| 21:54.12 | tarzeau | concept10: i'm using it quite often |
| 21:54.15 | jasonr | !beer Tarzeau |
| 21:54.17 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 21:54.17 | websdale | mEEgo: I don't know - I've never had to do too much wholesale permission changing |
| 21:54.17 | dpkg | it has been said that debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 21:54.28 | K_Dallas | !drpepper K_Dallas |
| 21:54.29 | ian2 | Heya. Been looking around for some info on building a diskless ppc (Old World G3) client (x86 server). Can anybody shoot me some insight/linkage? |
| 21:54.48 | tarzeau | ian2: www.linuks.mine.nu/helpers/tftpboot/ |
| 21:54.54 | wols_ | ian2: ltsp.org |
| 21:54.55 | tarzeau | ian2: #debianppc |
| 21:54.58 | toonX | tarzeau are you counting tralala too ? |
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| 21:55.02 | ian2 | Thank'ee. |
| 21:55.07 | Gskillet | nebulous: which utils did you get that eventually fixed your problem? |
| 21:55.13 | concept10 | tarzeau, do you frequent other channels? anyway, i wont troll |
| 21:55.16 | Gskillet | nebulous: was it a certain verision of bluez etc? |
| 21:55.20 | tarzeau | toonX: count him like what? |
| 21:55.26 | buu | beardy: It's a pos terminal |
| 21:55.27 | PainKiller | so i'm still trying to get my snd-via82xx working, but alsaconf doesn't recognize my sound card... any pointers anyone? |
| 21:55.29 | Nebulous | no, my problem wasn't in bluez. |
| 21:55.36 | Nebulous | it was with the usbmgr I was using |
| 21:55.40 | tarzeau | concept10: yes i do, #gnu #nethack some local channels and #bub-n-bros as well as #gnustep |
| 21:55.46 | tarzeau | concept10: but why are you asking? |
| 21:55.51 | toonX | tarzeau into the joy party you say #debian is |
| 21:55.56 | wols_ | PainKiller: alsa-project.org has nice tables for what soundcards they support and how |
| 21:55.57 | jaime_alberto | does proftpd works as soon as installed (from the package) or do I need to make some configuration? |
| 21:56.05 | toonX | tarzeau that's a rude kid :P |
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| 21:56.11 | HanClinto | jaime_alberto: I have the same question |
| 21:56.27 | Gskillet | nebulous: how did you upgrade your usbmgr |
| 21:56.34 | tarzeau | jaime_alberto: yes. no. |
| 21:56.40 | tarzeau | HanClinto: same answer |
| 21:56.53 | mEEgo | websdale, this did the trick 'chmod -R 600 Musica/; chmod -R u+X Musica/' , anyway its a directory full of mp3's i dont want the to have +x , but the directories needed to be 700, to have full control of them.. anyway thanks |
| 21:56.55 | jaime_alberto | HanClinto, I just changed wu-ftpd for proftpd and my machine no longer answers ftp requests |
| 21:57.09 | jaime_alberto | so I suppose something must be configured |
| 21:57.10 | tarzeau | jaime_alberto: telnet localhost 21 says what? |
| 21:57.16 | Gskillet | nebulous: nvm that last question, on my linux i dont even have usbmgr, i wonder if that has anything to do with it |
| 21:57.19 | tarzeau | jaime_alberto: dpkg -l proftpd |
| 21:57.20 | Nebulous | i removed usbutils and installed another similair package. I can't find the name of it though. I'm looking |
| 21:57.24 | concept10 | tarzeau, the reason I ask is this: I get sick of channel politics and just flat out rude people. |
| 21:57.36 | Nebulous | i just said it was a similair problem, not the same :) |
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| 21:58.02 | shingouz | concept10: and to think about it, this channel has not even been rude today |
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| 21:58.07 | tarzeau | concept10: the channel "politics" (i'd rather call them rules) are pretty wide free here. but some things just get on nerve |
| 21:58.10 | jaime_alberto | tarzeau, it connects but when I use an ftp client it reuses the connection |
| 21:58.11 | tarzeau | s |
| 21:58.12 | hikenboot | hello all--tried printing to my new printer from open office the printer wakes up but never prints and cat > /dev/lp0 wakes up the printer but nothing prints either...any ideas? |
| 21:58.20 | shingouz | tarzeau: amen :) |
| 21:58.24 | PeTeRB | mEEgo: You can try using find(1) with the -type and -exec options |
| 21:58.31 | tarzeau | jaime_alberto: firewall? |
| 21:58.31 | wols_ | shingouz: it still has full 2 minutes today to start being rude |
| 21:58.38 | websdale | mEEgo:Oh I see I thought you needed something more generic :) |
| 21:58.48 | jaime_alberto | tarzeau, nop |
| 21:58.50 | shingouz | wols_: true. we have to get it cracking then |
| 21:58.50 | tarheelcoxn | defsy: say wha? |
| 21:58.57 | tarzeau | jaime_alberto: can you give an ip? |
| 21:59.03 | ttick | okay, I'm trying to get a script to run when I hotplug a device. And many of the webpages I'm refering to cite /etc/hotplug/usb.distmap as the source of some information that I need. unfortunately, my debian distro doesn't seem to contain this file. Anyone know what replaces it (the references I'm looking at are from early 2004, so not sure what's changed). |
| 21:59.14 | jaime_alberto | tarzeau: tesla.utp.edu.co |
| 21:59.35 | tarzeau | jaime_alberto: it doesn't really connect |
| 21:59.40 | concept10 | tarzeau, i understand rules, i guess its just me. the way I look at it, I know this is just IRC but no one can talk to me anyway in person so I get offended when people are rude on IRC also |
| 21:59.44 | tarzeau | jaime_alberto: check your /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} |
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| 21:59.57 | mEEgo | websdale, na , it was that simple |
| 22:00.01 | K_Dallas | now that is a movie quote ;) "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti," -ref: http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/22/film.moviequotes.list.ap/index.html |
| 22:00.05 | wols_ | jaime_alberto: have ypu checked if something (preferably proftpd or inetd) listens on port 21? |
| 22:00.07 | jaime_alberto | tarzeau, if wu-ftpd was working why won't proftpd? |
| 22:00.11 | tarzeau | concept10: nobody is rude here, was someone ? |
| 22:00.17 | streuner | concept10: nobody are really care about, just ignore it |
| 22:00.28 | tarzeau | concept10: if it happens, it's either with a good reason. or because the person is always like that |
| 22:00.32 | K_Dallas | tarzeau, people here are pretty firendly but frank |
| 22:00.40 | tarzeau | jaime_alberto: it should. what did you do? got sid? sarge? |
| 22:00.43 | kawauso | hey: i'm trying to install kernel-headers-2.6.10-1-386, but apt is telling me it doesn't exist. i'm using the same repository on another machine and it has it installed. i've apt-get update'd |
| 22:00.46 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: fine for me |
| 22:00.50 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 22:00.55 | streuner | concept10: so its life |
| 22:00.57 | concept10 | tarzeau, never mind its no big deal, no one was rude to me, i was just responding to your question |
| 22:01.06 | wols_ | jaime_alberto: have ypu checked if something (preferably proftpd or inetd) listens on port 21? |
| 22:01.15 | jaime_alberto | tarzeau, I'm using etch |
| 22:01.22 | K_Dallas | kawauso, what debian? i dont have it on my sarge |
| 22:01.26 | jasonr | mkawauso debian never made a 2.6.10 it went from 2.6.8-2.6.11 i beleive |
| 22:01.28 | K_Dallas | i have 2.6.11 tho |
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| 22:01.51 | tarzeau | jaime_alberto: /etc/init.d/proftpd restart shows you some msg? |
| 22:01.52 | kawauso | jasonr: i have it installed on another machine. it has to exist. |
| 22:01.55 | jaime_alberto | wols_, I can open a connection to port 21 but it doesn't work with ftp clients |
| 22:02.05 | kawauso | unstable |
| 22:02.07 | streuner | tarzeau: thats in german called 'Ein Weichei' ;-) |
| 22:02.10 | tarzeau | jaime_alberto: do you get the ftp ok i'm ready message? |
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| 22:02.21 | jaime_alberto | tarzeau, tesla:/home/ftp# /etc/init.d/proftpd restart |
| 22:02.21 | jaime_alberto | Restarting ProFTPD ftp daemon.. |
| 22:02.21 | jaime_alberto | ..proftpd. |
| 22:02.21 | jaime_alberto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:02.36 | wols_ | jaime_alberto: i asked you what program has port21. run netstat -anp|grep LISTEN |
| 22:02.37 | jasonr | kawauso unstable has 2.6.11 now |
| 22:02.40 | tarzeau | streuner: concept10 ? |
| 22:02.43 | jasonr | sigh |
| 22:02.45 | streuner | yeah |
| 22:02.53 | jaime_alberto | I knew it was gonna happen |
| 22:03.01 | jasoncohen | jasonr, as does etch |
| 22:03.16 | concept10 | streuner, how do you say this in german: fuck off? |
| 22:03.24 | tarzeau | streuner: someone who doesn't answer ctcp version requests certainly is one |
| 22:03.25 | jasonr | jasoncohen: no source in etch....however the unstable has source |
| 22:03.33 | tarzeau | concept10: fick dich |
| 22:03.44 | streuner | tarzeau: oh :-) |
| 22:03.51 | DrPete | Anyone sergest a place where I can get a good debian VPS to try out? |
| 22:04.04 | streuner | tarzeau: well, i have that in X-Chat disabled too :-) |
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| 22:04.12 | tarzeau | streuner: x-chat blows so! |
| 22:04.20 | concept10 | streuner, get a life, please |
| 22:04.34 | wols_ | concept10: and you stop trolling plesaer |
| 22:04.35 | revenger_ | is pfiles also available for linux? |
| 22:04.37 | kawauso | can i tell what repository a package was installed from? i guess i got it from an unofficial site on the other machine. |
| 22:04.39 | wols_ | *please |
| 22:04.39 | swim | bucky, do you know how to install unrar-nonfree on amd64? THe deb's are not available for amd64, but there is another way I've forgotten. |
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| 22:04.50 | jaime_alberto | wols_, proftpd doesn't appear in that list |
| 22:05.06 | wols_ | jaime_alberto: what appears for port 21? |
| 22:05.19 | cddesjar | i have two questions...how do you pronounce debian? it is deb-i-an or is it de-bi-an? number 2...could someone recommend a cool window manager |
| 22:05.35 | streuner | wols_: he is clueless, just ignore him |
| 22:05.36 | jaime_alberto | wols_, which column is the port? |
| 22:05.45 | tarzeau | cddesjar: #2 windowmaker (wmaker) or amiwm |
| 22:05.49 | wols_ | netstat -anp|grep LIST|grep ":21" |
| 22:06.04 | jasonr | mcddesjar Deb - Ian Debrah and Ian i think it came from |
| 22:06.06 | concept10 | wols_, I dont consider making a point trolling. streuner was attacking me for some reason |
| 22:06.07 | tarzeau | cddesjar: i pronounce it "DEBORA AND IAN GNU IS NOT UNIX LINUX" |
| 22:06.26 | tarzeau | jasonr: it's debrah? or deborah? with or without h? |
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| 22:06.35 | jaime_alberto | streuner, that's the spirit |
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| 22:06.41 | tarzeau | concept10: did you understand what "weichei" is? |
| 22:06.47 | cddesjar | is windowmaker fast? i used fluxbox for a while and i thought that was pretty sweet |
| 22:06.53 | tarzeau | cddesjar: very damn fast |
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| 22:07.06 | beardy | cddesjar: /msg dpkg window manager |
| 22:07.16 | concept10 | tarzeau, dont care to understand. name calling doesnt bother me. next topic please |
| 22:07.16 | jasonr | tarzeau: im not sure but he gets the jist hehe |
| 22:07.46 | beardy | cddesjar: Yes it's fast. (depends on your hardware though I guess) |
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| 22:08.51 | concept10 | tarzeau, jasonr, streuner: you guys are wierd. I make a statement about being rude to people and you guys attack me. check yourselves |
| 22:08.53 | cddesjar | oh my...there are as many different window managers yet distros of Linux! |
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| 22:09.04 | tarzeau | concept10: when did i attack you? |
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| 22:09.22 | wols_ | tarzeau: he's trolling. ignore him |
| 22:09.39 | beardy | concept10: Just drop it. If someone annoys you, /ignore them, or just be quiet about it. |
| 22:09.52 | tarzeau | wols_: ouf being in #ubuntu and #fedora .. thank you |
| 22:10.33 | tarzeau | someone up for a "typespeed" session ? |
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| 22:11.02 | cddesjar | is there a package for windowmaker that i can use aptitude to snag? |
| 22:11.15 | tarzeau | cddesjar: wmaker |
| 22:11.16 | beardy | cddesjar: wmaker |
| 22:11.18 | cddesjar | i tried aptitude search windowmaker |
| 22:11.19 | cddesjar | ok |
| 22:11.23 | wols_ | cddesjar: apt-cache show wmaker |
| 22:11.26 | cmihai | It's wmaker :) |
| 22:11.27 | cddesjar | that makes sense |
| 22:11.43 | tarzeau | cddesjar: if you really love the blocky clean look of wmaker, you might be interested in gnustep, gnustep-devel and gnustep-games too |
| 22:11.54 | jaime_alberto | wols_, thanks, it was opened by an inetd process i killed it and restarted inetd and proftpd |
| 22:12.03 | cddesjar | ok |
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| 22:12.17 | beardy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:12.42 | cddesjar | so when i reboot my computer next time i should be able to choose which session i want from xdm either kde or wmaker right? or do i need to manually change that with xdm |
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| 22:13.19 | directhex | cddesjar, use gdm not xdm if you want easy clicky control |
| 22:13.34 | tarzeau | cddesjar: wdm, he means wdm. really |
| 22:13.41 | tarzeau | directhex: gdm is so broken, please |
| 22:13.44 | hikenboot | hello all--tried printing to my new printer from open office the printer wakes up but never prints and cat > /dev/lp0 wakes up the printer but nothing prints either...any ideas? |
| 22:13.54 | jair | hello guys. |
| 22:14.03 | directhex | tarzeau, worksforme |
| 22:14.09 | jair | I want to be sure of what I will be doing |
| 22:14.11 | tarzeau | hikenboot: who produced the printer? |
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| 22:14.27 | hikenboot | oh its a samsung laser ML-1740 |
| 22:15.00 | jair | I am running debian sarge "stable" and the kernel 2.6.8-2-686 but it do not support very well my acpi configuration. |
| 22:15.03 | directhex | hikenboot, read on linuxprinting.org ? |
| 22:15.53 | hikenboot | ok will do thanks |
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| 22:16.42 | jair | I am thinking in go to the "packages.debian.org" and download a newer kernel "2.6.8 +" but I don't know which one will be the best recommended. I was thinking in get one from the distribution "testing" or "etch" |
| 22:17.35 | Supaplex | how can I show all packages I have installed that have a dependency on foo? |
| 22:17.36 | jair | like the distribution kernel 2.6.10 or .11 or .12 which one will be the more stable even though is testing? |
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| 22:18.23 | kazim | hi |
| 22:18.25 | jair | I think if I install a earlier version of the kernel the problem of turn off my machine will be solve |
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| 22:18.31 | kazim | i have GIMP could not initialize the graphical user interface :/ |
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| 22:19.00 | PainKiller | ok, easy question, how do I download the debian kernel sources for my current kernel to /usr/src/Linux ? |
| 22:19.17 | person | im trying to sync with my palm zire using jpilot and when i try to sync i get the error "pi_bind errir:/dev/pilot No such device" |
| 22:19.23 | person | error* |
| 22:19.52 | jair | anyone can suggest me a good kernel>?? from the testing distribution but to use it in "sarge" ? |
| 22:20.00 | Supaplex | jair: there are 2-3 different kinds of kernels you'll run into in debian. 1. debian maintinaer packaged kernels (with security and bugfix patches etc) 2. kernel-package home rolled packages, and 3. the old long hard and painfull upstream bare hands way. If you use 2 or 3, you're asking us the wrong thing. |
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| 22:20.19 | directhex | jair, the 2.6.11 package works for me |
| 22:20.28 | beardy | jair: Hold it. You install packages using apt-get or aptitude. (or the gui-whatsitcalled(?)) Not by downloading packages from the web. |
| 22:20.34 | directhex | Supaplex, images in sid don't have support... |
| 22:20.36 | blechi | hello, i just upgraded my server from woody to sarge, and am now trying to migrate to exim4, however, i can't get TLS/auth to work properly. i'm using the same keys that were working in my sendmail configuration with exim, and they have the correct permissions, but it is still telling my remote client relaying denied. i've been googling for answers for a few hours now and am stuck |
| 22:20.41 | Supaplex | jair: and since your'e using #1 on something besides stable, you're also asking us the wrong thing. stick you nose in the BTS and read the changelog. |
| 22:20.44 | directhex | beardy, you wanna talk him through installing sid packages in sarge? |
| 22:20.54 | person | beardy : it's synaptic |
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| 22:21.17 | jair | beardy, I use only and exclusive apt-get |
| 22:21.24 | tgtimmy | I have two questions: 1. I installed apache2 and now I can't connect to my server. Apache2 is running and the port is open. Any idea what is wrong? |
| 22:21.27 | beardy | directhex: No. |
| 22:21.35 | tarzeau | tgtimmy: can't you just use apache 1.3.x ? |
| 22:21.45 | jair | Supaplex, what do you mean that I am using 1. debian maintinaer packaged kernels (with security and bugfix patches etc)? |
| 22:21.57 | FieldySnuts | trying to use keys that worked in sendmail, in exim4... geez |
| 22:21.57 | jair | Supaplex, that I can not install testing kernels on it? |
| 22:22.20 | jair | If I download the kernel and the kernel headers I can do dpkg -i kernel .... |
| 22:22.20 | directhex | jair, yes, you can. i use 2.6.11 from sid on sarge. |
| 22:22.22 | tgtimmy | tarzeau, yes I could. but I've had apache2 working in gentoo and I'm trying to learn how to get it working in Debian |
| 22:22.37 | jair | directhex, I know you can |
| 22:22.39 | PainKiller | ok, easy question, how do I download the debian kernel sources for my current kernel to /usr/src/Linux ? |
| 22:22.47 | jair | that is why I am asking |
| 22:22.47 | tgtimmy | 2. Is there any way to get xorg installed in Sarge? |
| 22:22.48 | person | im trying to sync with my palm zire using jpilot and when i try to sync i get the error "pi_bind errir:/dev/pilot No such device" What do i do? |
| 22:22.51 | FieldySnuts | s/L/l/ |
| 22:22.54 | tarzeau | tgtimmy: no there is not |
| 22:22.55 | person | error* |
| 22:23.05 | blechi | FieldySnuts, it's just a public/private key, you generate both the same way, and it's not giving any errors with it |
| 22:23.19 | jair | directhex, so now my question is though, what way did you use to get the kernel installed? |
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| 22:23.35 | tgtimmy | hmmmm, well that's no fun now is it ;-) |
| 22:23.37 | directhex | jair, i have apt configured to give me sarge and sid packages, sarge by default |
| 22:23.40 | jair | directhex, what about donwload the kernel 2.6.10? |
| 22:23.49 | tarzeau | tgtimmy: there's plenty games if you want fun |
| 22:23.54 | tgtimmy | lol |
| 22:23.57 | tarzeau | tgtimmy: wanna try "typespeed"? |
| 22:23.59 | jair | directhex, hmmm do not think is a good idea sorry |
| 22:24.05 | tgtimmy | no thx |
| 22:24.19 | jair | but all I need is just the kernel and kernel headers I think? |
| 22:24.23 | person | tarzeau : what is typespeed? |
| 22:24.24 | directhex | jair, i never said it was a good idea, but it happens to be how i choose to administer my system |
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| 22:24.40 | tarzeau | person: a game where you type words, with a network opponent. the faster wins |
| 22:24.41 | directhex | jair, you only need kernel headers to build kernel modules |
| 22:24.45 | Supaplex | jair: I said "you will find" not "you are using" |
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| 22:24.47 | tarzeau | person: wanna play? you be the server |
| 22:24.49 | jair | directhex, I do not want to mix other packages from unstable with stable, I will do that only with the kernel. |
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| 22:24.59 | oiio_ | hello. The partition on which postgresql is installed has ran out of space. We need to quickly move it to a different partition. How is it done? |
| 22:25.06 | person | tarzeau : maybe later |
| 22:25.06 | directhex | jair, the only other sid packages i use are xfce 4.2 |
| 22:25.06 | tarzeau | jair: don't do it with only the kernel either |
| 22:25.09 | tgtimmy | oh, I can connect if I use http://localhost, but now http://www.mysite.com |
| 22:25.10 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 22:25.11 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 22:25.12 | alecikiiki | has anyone else experienced problems installing the flash package for mozilla? |
| 22:25.14 | FieldySnuts | oiio_: better off asking their channel, wherever that is (no I don't know) |
| 22:25.16 | tarzeau | person: i'll be asleep later |
| 22:25.16 | FieldySnuts | !fuck flash |
| 22:25.18 | directhex | tarzeau, that's short sighted |
| 22:25.25 | tarzeau | directhex: what? |
| 22:25.27 | oiio_ | FieldySnuts its not active |
| 22:25.32 | jair | Supaplex, correct, what do you mean is after the 2.6.8 I will find other kind of kernels :) |
| 22:25.35 | Gskillet | nebulous: nvm that last question, on my linux i dont even have usbmgr, i wonder if that has anything to do with it |
| 22:25.45 | FieldySnuts | what's that factoid where the other channel isn't active, so that doesn't mean this is the right one |
| 22:25.46 | jair | tarzeau, what do you mean? |
| 22:25.49 | FieldySnuts | nice logic. good luck. |
| 22:25.50 | pmak | to use the mysql with php which pkg i have to install? mysql-server? i have installed the mysql-common, but i dont have it in my init.d to start it |
| 22:25.58 | directhex | tarzeau, there are things in later kernels, such as hardware support, whicxh are desirable |
| 22:26.03 | tarzeau | jair: don't mix stable,testing,sid packages |
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| 22:26.14 | tarzeau | directhex: not if they are not in the same archive |
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| 22:26.24 | Supaplex | jair: just use kernel-package on the current stable kernel, and be happy :) |
| 22:26.48 | jair | how can I install just another kernel on my sarge? I can just download the .deb package kernel 2.6.11 and the kernel headers? and install it using dpkg -i kernel ---- kernel headers? |
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| 22:26.55 | person | im trying to sync with my palm zire using jpilot and when i try to sync i get the error "pi_bind error:/dev/pilot No such device" What do i do? |
| 22:27.02 | vince_ | So how do you guys feel about ubuntu? |
| 22:27.03 | tarzeau | jair: you don't need the kernel headers |
| 22:27.11 | directhex | jair, yes, that will work, though you only need headers to build kernel modules. you may need an updated udev package, though |
| 22:27.13 | tarzeau | vince_: fucking troll somewhere else |
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| 22:27.15 | alecikiiki | alright, fixed it, apparently swf-player had to be removed |
| 22:27.26 | directhex | vince_, it has its uses, e.g. for hardware support in some scenarios |
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| 22:27.30 | person | vince_ :its ok for people who are new |
| 22:27.34 | tgtimmy | if I can connect to my webserver using http://localhost, why would I not be able to connect to it at http://www.mysite.com? |
| 22:27.49 | person | vince_ : for people who think debian is to complicated |
| 22:27.49 | vince_ | tarzeau, I was not trolling btw. Can't I ask a simple question? |
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| 22:27.56 | tarzeau | tgtimmy: dns setup wrong? |
| 22:27.58 | Guerin | tgtimmy: because you haven't told it to listen on an external interface. |
| 22:28.05 | Gskillet | tarzeau jsut gets real sensitive about those types of things |
| 22:28.09 | tarzeau | vince_: it was off-topic |
| 22:28.16 | FieldySnuts | you got it. localhost only is default. |
| 22:28.17 | tgtimmy | Guerin, how do I do that in Debian? |
| 22:28.20 | FieldySnuts | lsof -i tcp:80 |
| 22:28.28 | Guerin | vince_: that particular question IS a common troll in #debian. |
| 22:28.42 | Guerin | tgtimmy: same way you'd do it anyway else - with a Listen directive |
| 22:28.46 | vince_ | Guerin, oh ok I didn't know |
| 22:29.05 | tgtimmy | Guerin, I didn't have to do that when I was on Gentoo so I don't know how to do that |
| 22:29.10 | Supaplex | what do files in usr/share/lintian/overrides/ control? |
| 22:29.18 | FieldySnuts | wrong. i run gentoo. the default there is localhost only. |
| 22:29.22 | tarzeau | Supaplex: lintian overrides |
| 22:29.39 | reagent | if a vulnerability in a package in stable has been found, under what circumstances will the problem be fixed by the security team? |
| 22:29.56 | directhex | vince_, the only times i'd run ubuntu over debian are a) for installing on beginners' machiens who will refuse to touch a console and b) for installing on debian-unsupported kit, e.g. centrino |
| 22:29.58 | tgtimmy | FieldySnuts, I've never had to do anything but start the server. |
| 22:30.03 | mdh | vince_: some DD's blame Canonical for the late release of sarge because they hired some of the more influential DD's and put them to work on Ubuntu. |
| 22:30.05 | Guerin | reagent: depends on the vulnerability. If it's at all serious, it'll be fixed. |
| 22:30.05 | pmak | do i have to install the mysql-server pkg in order to use some php scripts that use mysql databases? |
| 22:30.14 | FieldySnuts | maybe the defaults changed, shrug |
| 22:30.15 | Guerin | pmak: yes. |
| 22:30.24 | Supaplex | if I attempt to install multiple instances of php?-cgi, all I need to do is preserve unique files names there for each override? |
| 22:30.27 | pmak | Guerin and the mysql-common? |
| 22:30.29 | Guerin | pmak: or connect to a mydqld running on another box |
| 22:30.30 | mdh | vince_: so it can be a sore topic in Debian circles |
| 22:30.35 | beeblebrox87 | i am trying to install openoffice.org, which depends on openoffice.org-bin. openoffice.org-bin was installed with force-architecture (because i'm on amd64 trying to run an i386 package) so apt doesn't realize it exists, so i used equivs to create a package openoffice.org-bin-fake, which provides openoffice.org-bin. but openoffice.org still gives dependency errors in apt. what am i doing wrong? |
| 22:30.42 | Guerin | pmak: and mysql-client, and php4-mysql |
| 22:30.43 | jair | tarzeau, so my friend I am confuse I can not get a nother kernel that is not in the apt-get source list server of sarge "stable"? |
| 22:30.54 | vince_ | mdh, ahh I see . I thought ubuntu and debian were close friends. |
| 22:30.56 | reagent | Guerin: As far as I can see the mime problem in SA has not been fixed. I don't care since I'm using my own package, but I'm wondering how this is being handled |
| 22:30.56 | concept10 | My server went down due to power lost. Will that damage my filesystem itegrity? (ext3) |
| 22:30.58 | tgtimmy | FieldySnuts, I did that lsof command. What am I looking for? |
| 22:31.08 | directhex | beeblebrox87, i'd have discussed your plan with #debian-amd64 first, if i were you |
| 22:31.09 | tarzeau | jair: you want a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? well you can, you're just on your own |
| 22:31.11 | Supaplex | vince_: only as close as mandrake and redhat are. :) |
| 22:31.21 | FieldySnuts | for it to show port 80 being listened to on your external interface (not 127.0.0.1 or localhost) |
| 22:31.28 | pmak | Guerin ok, thanks |
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| 22:31.32 | mdh | vince_: its a yes and no situation ;) Debian has thousands of developers, some are happy there's commercial support being fed back into Debian, some are not happy at all |
| 22:31.36 | FieldySnuts | if it doesn't show it then it's not listening, like Guerin said, the default is not listening on external. maybe he knows more |
| 22:31.39 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: you fucking idiot. You're running amd64 and you're trying to install ia32 packges. Why aren't you using a fucking chroot like sane people do? |
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| 22:31.47 | jair | tarzeau, this is the thing I am running a kernel 2.6.8-2 which is the latest one the appear on my source list of apt |
| 22:31.50 | beeblebrox87 | directhex: i did, nobody said anything |
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| 22:31.55 | directhex | Guerin, i've used --force architecture before |
| 22:31.58 | tarzeau | mdh, vince_: 1500+ debian (maintainers and developers) |
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| 22:32.09 | person | Guerin : that was mean ^^ |
| 22:32.11 | mdh | Supaplex: that's not quite true though. Mandrake do not feed stuff back to Redhat. |
| 22:32.12 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: because a chroot is a waste of space when ia32-libs works fine |
| 22:32.14 | Supaplex | Guerin: chill. |
| 22:32.15 | jair | tarzeau, but this kernel version do not take care of all the functioning of the power for my laptop |
| 22:32.19 | tarzeau | jair: and the reason why you want a later one is, support for some hardware? |
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| 22:32.24 | directhex | Guerin, i think it was for the Cedega front end Point2Play, which is just a bunch o' python anyway |
| 22:32.27 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: ... |
| 22:32.30 | concept10 | tarzeau, My server went down due to power lost. Will that damage my filesystem itegrity? (ext3) |
| 22:32.33 | jair | tarzeau correct |
| 22:32.34 | Guerin | Supaplex: fuck off. |
| 22:32.42 | Guerin | person: not really. |
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| 22:32.44 | tarzeau | concept10: don't ask me. ask the channel *plonk* |
| 22:32.59 | Guerin | concept10: probably not. |
| 22:33.02 | PainKiller | how can i find out what kernel version I have? so I can download the correct source |
| 22:33.03 | Supaplex | Guerin: I ignore 12yr olds :) no worries. |
| 22:33.06 | tgtimmy | FieldySnuts: what column would it be under and what should be in there? |
| 22:33.07 | Osiris | Hi can anybody tell me how to set my system to boot straight into a CLI login instead of going straight to X i would like to be able to just work in CLI then do startx to go into x if i needed to. |
| 22:33.15 | bobbens | concept10: just run fsck on boot up, i havent had that happen, but if you were reading/writing alot it could fuck it up |
| 22:33.16 | reagent | Guerin: is that not serious enough? |
| 22:33.17 | FieldySnuts | tgtimmy: i dunno man, i'm not here to hold hands |
| 22:33.17 | Osiris | any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 22:33.18 | concept10 | tarzeau, thanks |
| 22:33.21 | nvz | well my research for Leetlug is underway, and the channel is open :P I'm working on the list of lugs in the state and figuring out where they are, what they are doing, and going to use this information to determine my direction from this point (: |
| 22:33.27 | vince_ | tarzeau, well I have another question. I like ubuntu and I was thinking about trying debian. Are thier any benifits to debian over ubuntu? |
| 22:33.30 | directhex | !tell Osiris about nodm |
| 22:33.30 | budluva | PainKiller, uname -r |
| 22:33.37 | mdh | vince_: I like the Ubuntu distribution and I'm handing out particularly their live cd's to friends and aquaintences still running legacy software like microsoft windows |
| 22:33.41 | tarzeau | !why_debian |
| 22:33.49 | Phated | No underscore. |
| 22:33.51 | nvz | as soon as I finish the research I will get a website up and register with linux.org |
| 22:33.53 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 22:33.53 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 22:33.55 | directhex | vince_, i find debian offers me more -control- than ubuntu, and more of the packages work |
| 22:33.55 | tarzeau | Phated: thanks |
| 22:33.58 | tarzeau | vince_: go read that |
| 22:33.59 | Phated | tarzeau: No problem. |
| 22:34.01 | pmak | how can i change my wm from icewm to xfce? which file holds this config? |
| 22:34.05 | Guerin | reagent: is a bug filed about it? |
| 22:34.08 | vince_ | tarzeau, k thanks |
| 22:34.12 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: a chroot should not be necessary. if i dpkg -i --force-architecture hello_2.1.1-4_i386.deb and then run it, it works fine. same with openoffice.org. but apt insists on telling me it won't work even though it does, and apt appears to simply ignore the Provides: field on the dummy package i installed to fix this. |
| 22:34.18 | directhex | pmak, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 22:34.29 | Osiris | directhex, thanks |
| 22:34.32 | FieldySnuts | beeblebrox87: you're a moron. have fun wasting your time. cluebies should stick to 32-bit. |
| 22:34.34 | jair | tarzeau, I have a little annoying problem with my computer now, that is: 1- when I do the commands "halt" or "shutdown -h now" or turn off or any of those commands to turn off the laptop. Everything works execpt the (battery, fan and wireless) remain on they do not get off the system do not turn off completly how it happen in other linux versions like in sid. |
| 22:34.39 | vince_ | directhex, yes I was thinking the same thing. Some of the ubuntu pkgs don't work |
| 22:34.40 | mdh | vince_: Debian has a hell of a lot more packages. Ubuntu is setup for the desktop user very well and makes sense for people who don't want to dick about. it has a small subset of what Debian offers in the way of software |
| 22:34.42 | pmak | directhex thank |
| 22:34.44 | person | directhex: at least hes gettin people on linux |
| 22:34.50 | reagent | Guerin: yes, 314447 |
| 22:34.56 | tarzeau | jair: no idea. ibm laptop? |
| 22:35.03 | jair | tarzeau, yes sir |
| 22:35.06 | beeblebrox87 | FieldySnuts: how is this moronic? what else is ia32-libs there for? |
| 22:35.06 | tarzeau | jair: i can say poweroff in my ibook laptop and it just does that |
| 22:35.10 | tarzeau | jair: i run sid. |
| 22:35.14 | person | but debian has been working a hell of a lot better than ubuntu |
| 22:35.17 | Guerin | reagent: ok. If you're concerned about it not getting attention ask about it on debian-security mailing list. |
| 22:35.19 | directhex | person, what? i run ubuntu on my laptop. |
| 22:35.21 | FieldySnuts | !clue beeblebrox87 |
| 22:35.22 | cddesjar | ls |
| 22:35.23 | mdh | vince_: I would (and, of course, do) run Debian on servers |
| 22:35.27 | jair | tarzeau, that is what I am talking about. |
| 22:35.36 | reagent | Guerin: it says: A fixed package has already been given to the security team - but as of yet they have failed to act on it. |
| 22:35.36 | directhex | jair, seriously, stop discussiong, and start doing. you shoyuld be finished by now |
| 22:35.47 | tarzeau | jair: read !sid faq and go for it |
| 22:35.59 | tarzeau | jair: either you love it (learn to love it) or you don't |
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| 22:36.02 | vince_ | mdh, I see hmmm sounds like a good reason for me to switch then. I try to install debian soon |
| 22:36.04 | person | im running debian on my laptop - where i used to run ubuntu |
| 22:36.07 | jair | in mine I am running sarge and I have that little problem. I have to press the botton on/off for three seconds to turn it complete off |
| 22:36.12 | luulis | jair: does it print poweroff or something and then just idle ? |
| 22:36.18 | reagent | Guerin: and that was one week ago |
| 22:36.23 | jair | directhex, what do you mean? |
| 22:36.39 | Guerin | reagent: ok. Ping debian-security mailing list, then. There might be a reason. |
| 22:36.41 | tarzeau | reagent: sudo? |
| 22:36.47 | jair | luulis, yes |
| 22:36.51 | directhex | jair, youi've spent half an hour pissing about, when your original supposition was correct. grab a newer kernel from packages.debian.org, install it, done |
| 22:37.02 | reagent | tarzeau: uh... sudo? |
| 22:37.03 | jair | luulis, it prints hda down and then iddle |
| 22:37.08 | reagent | Guerin: Ok. ty. |
| 22:37.13 | directhex | jair, you won't get security updates on that kernel image, you'll need to be aware of those yourself |
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| 22:37.23 | tarzeau | reagent: or which security of which package? |
| 22:37.27 | jair | directhex, ohh ok |
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| 22:37.37 | reagent | tarzeau: the spamassassin mime thing |
| 22:37.38 | jair | directhex, so then i do not need the kernel headers? |
| 22:37.40 | vince_ | mdh, I cant' believe people would fight about ubuntu and debian. It's like a son ( ubuntu ) being mean to his father ( debian ) hehe |
| 22:37.44 | luulis | jair: that seems to be some problem with acpi then, on one box i fixed it by moving from sarge 2.4 to 2.6 kernel image |
| 22:37.49 | jair | directhex, what kernel do you use? |
| 22:37.55 | tarzeau | jair: and the kernel might need some newer versions of some tools (have fun finding out which, if..) |
| 22:37.59 | directhex | jair, for the *third* time, you need kernel headers only to build kernel images |
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| 22:38.07 | FieldySnuts | i think some of us just get sick and tired of hearing about ub*untu here, gets old |
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| 22:38.14 | jair | luulis, but I have the sarge 2.6.8-2 image kernel |
| 22:38.19 | cddesjar | how do i add an application to the windowmaker menu? |
| 22:38.23 | cddesjar | or edit in general |
| 22:38.29 | erps | updated webmin .. and now 90% of it doesn't work ... no bind, no nothing. |
| 22:38.29 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: at least we don't have to hear the kn*ppix stuff anymore |
| 22:38.30 | directhex | jair, ii kernel-image-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 2.6.11-3 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on AMD64 systems |
| 22:38.38 | vince_ | FieldySnuts, Well I'll try debian real soon to figure out what I like best :) |
| 22:38.40 | tarzeau | cddesjar: use the "menu" package |
| 22:38.42 | jasonr | what was the extra packages not in kde & gnome for xfree86? |
| 22:38.43 | erps | updated it with aptitude |
| 22:38.52 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: this is a lot more annoying to me, actually. can we have it back? |
| 22:39.02 | jair | directhex, nice my friend ok so download the kernel and then run the command to install it? |
| 22:39.05 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: actually, same here. i find it very annoying |
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| 22:39.14 | FieldySnuts | glad i'm not alone. not that it matters what I say |
| 22:39.19 | jair | directhex, dpkg -i kernel-image ... gbz |
| 22:39.20 | directhex | jair, yes. as i've said, it might complain that it wants a newer version of udev |
| 22:39.25 | luulis | jair: hm, dont know about laptops in general.. but it still seems like a problem with acpi/apm |
| 22:39.27 | beardy | cddesjar: Same menu is used as in other window managers, you don't need, or should edit it. |
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| 22:39.32 | tarzeau | reagent: typespeed ? |
| 22:39.39 | cddesjar | tarzeau: where is that located? |
| 22:39.46 | tarzeau | cddesjar: apt-get install menu ;) |
| 22:39.47 | jair | luulis, yes I have three weeks looking for some solution and nothing yet |
| 22:40.06 | reagent | tarzeau: No, not typespeed. spamassassin |
| 22:40.19 | beeblebrox87 | my question was why apt was ignoring the Provides: field on this package. why did everybody respond to it with criticism of what i was trying to do, which was irrelevant to the actual problem? |
| 22:40.22 | directhex | FieldySnuts, again, i think the context is important. constant "you guys should run ubuntu, it's great" is annoying, but i run it on a machine for a specific reason, and i'd recommend it as a solution to a problem debian can't currently solve |
| 22:40.31 | person | ok |
| 22:40.33 | tarzeau | reagent: that was an offer. last chance typespeed [Y/n]? |
| 22:40.40 | jair | directhex, but the kernel is a bz2 compressed, i will have to untar it? |
| 22:40.46 | person | im trying to sync with my palm zire using jpilot and when i try to sync i get the error "pi_bind error:/dev/pilot No such device" What do i do? |
| 22:40.48 | vince_ | Well take care all I"m going to see if I can download Debian and install it. I'll see if I like it. Thanks for the info all! :) |
| 22:40.55 | tarzeau | jair: kernel-source packages. yes |
| 22:41.01 | directhex | jair, only kernel sources are compressed with bz2 |
| 22:41.08 | reagent | Guerin: I found that one: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/06/msg00085.html |
| 22:41.14 | directhex | jair, kernel images are regular debian packages (ar archives) |
| 22:41.14 | reagent | Guerin: someone already asked |
| 22:41.36 | tarzeau | jair: and linux kernels are only called bzimage, but not bz2 compressed |
| 22:41.40 | paulswm | directhex: That's fine as long as questions about ubuntu go to ubuntu and not get answered here, otherwise it makes the channel confusing |
| 22:41.45 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 22:41.49 | directhex | agreed |
| 22:42.01 | jair | then i have to look for the right one |
| 22:42.08 | FieldySnuts | seriously i find myself ready to type /part when that shit spools up |
| 22:42.14 | beardy | tarzeau: Is that really true? |
| 22:42.15 | FieldySnuts | anyway enough whining |
| 22:42.19 | tarzeau | beardy: yes |
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| 22:42.24 | beardy | tarzeau: ok |
| 22:42.38 | vince_ | tarzeau, mdh FieldySnuts and others thanks for all the info |
| 22:42.48 | mdh | this guy wanted a comparison between Debian and Ubuntu. I don't think that's a big ask or off-topic. |
| 22:43.03 | tarzeau | it wasn't. and i told him !why debian so? |
| 22:43.06 | paulswm | Oh come on Fieldy, surely you have something else on your mind, or a world war to start or something :P |
| 22:43.14 | FieldySnuts | nah you do it |
| 22:43.18 | bourneagain | I need to specify a gateway address using DHCP. How do I do this? |
| 22:43.20 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: won't you miss me? |
| 22:43.25 | mdh | vince_: have fun :) |
| 22:43.30 | vince_ | mdh, thanks |
| 22:43.34 | tarzeau | paulswm: come play typespeed with me at least |
| 22:43.48 | bourneagain | I did try several things. |
| 22:43.49 | tarzeau | paulswm: i'll let you win, once! |
| 22:43.57 | jasonr | query...xserver-common is not a dependency for kde and gnome...any particilar reason why? |
| 22:44.02 | reagent | Guerin: I'm really not in a position to be able to criticise the work of the security team, but that doesen't look very nice to me. |
| 22:44.08 | tarzeau | jasonr: one can run it remotely |
| 22:44.11 | directhex | jasonr, you can run them remotely using ssh x-forwarding |
| 22:44.18 | tarzeau | jasonr: and xserver-common is common to the xserver |
| 22:44.23 | jasonr | ahh i c .....top work carry on 8) |
| 22:44.36 | tarzeau | jasonr: you can even run them without ssh, using telnet and direct x protocol |
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| 22:44.46 | paulswm | tarzeau: I am installing distcc on my boxes and integrating it with ccache so I am a little busy right now, and I only have 45 minutes left today |
| 22:44.50 | tarzeau | jasonr: seriously nobody runs kde or gnome remotely... |
| 22:44.57 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 22:44.58 | apt | Muslims rule! |
| 22:45.02 | tarzeau | paulswm: you are one busy man! |
| 22:45.06 | jair | directhex, I am downloading this one --> Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
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| 22:45.16 | directhex | jair, that sounds appropriate. |
| 22:45.19 | pipeline | jasonr, tarzeau : I do it all the time. It's not that hard. |
| 22:45.28 | jasonr | tarzeau hehe i didn't think it was a common reason just seemed like a newbie killer to me hehe |
| 22:45.29 | jair | directhex, I have a centrino pentium mobile laptop R51 |
| 22:45.30 | paulswm | tarzeau: Too much to do, too little time :) |
| 22:45.32 | jim | jair, others: unless I miss my guess here, you might be confusing compression used by the -package- with compression used by the actual -image-, sometimes called zImage, bzImage, vmlinuz |
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| 22:45.43 | jim | the b in bzImage means "big" |
| 22:45.55 | streuner | directhex: well, if you going to force ubuntu, why not just use XP then? |
| 22:45.59 | reagent | Guerin: IMO they should include the new package or explain why they won't do it... but just ignoring such serious things (we got a dos attack, luckily I upgraded by hand to a fixed version) is .. bad? |
| 22:46.01 | tarzeau | pipeline: it's slow, maybe? |
| 22:46.05 | jim | its use predates the introduction of bzip2 |
| 22:46.17 | directhex | jair, what CPU? |
| 22:46.24 | jair | jim, I got it already thank you very much i was looking for the images on kernel.org instead go to the debian packages. :0 |
| 22:46.26 | directhex | streuner, force ubuntu in what context? |
| 22:46.28 | mdh | streuner: you're a funny woman |
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| 22:46.40 | jair | directhex, I have a 1.6GHz |
| 22:46.40 | streuner | mdh: get a clue |
| 22:46.44 | thorie | what is ham? |
| 22:46.48 | tarzeau | !ham |
| 22:46.48 | dpkg | somebody said ham was oink oink, or if you mean the debian distribution, you want hamm. comes from badgers |
| 22:46.54 | jim | jair: they have precompiled images at kernel.org? |
| 22:46.55 | FieldySnuts | haha who put that on the end |
| 22:46.58 | jair | directhex, where could I get more info using the terminal |
| 22:47.00 | tarzeau | hehe . not me |
| 22:47.03 | FieldySnuts | funny |
| 22:47.05 | tarzeau | yes |
| 22:47.06 | FieldySnuts | !factinfo ham |
| 22:47.06 | dpkg | ham -- last modified at Tue Aug 31 23:42:04 2004 by sgeigerbot!~user@h116.144.55.139.ip.alltel.net; it has been requested 3 times, last by tarzeau, 17s ago. |
| 22:47.07 | jair | jim, don't think so |
| 22:47.10 | directhex | jair, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:47.10 | FieldySnuts | LIES |
| 22:47.16 | jair | directhex, nice |
| 22:47.16 | FieldySnuts | oh requested by. nevermind |
| 22:47.21 | FieldySnuts | thought i caught you |
| 22:47.23 | streuner | directhex: well, you are saying one of your problem (hardware) is solved of ubuntu, well you could use XP and those hardware-issues are solved? |
| 22:47.29 | thorie | what is ham in terms of e-mail? |
| 22:47.32 | paulswm | modified by sgeiger, well that explains it |
| 22:47.35 | tarzeau | thorie: the good email |
| 22:47.38 | concept10 | Has anyone here succesfully installed mambo on sarge? |
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| 22:47.41 | FieldySnuts | !start a badger war |
| 22:47.41 | dpkg | badgers are better than FieldySnuts |
| 22:47.42 | thorie | ok |
| 22:47.43 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 22:47.46 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 22:47.48 | jim | I know they are the definitive source for kernel -source- and all the patches they're playing with at the time |
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| 22:47.54 | FieldySnuts | the sad thing is my nick is hardcoded in there |
| 22:47.56 | tarzeau | concept10: no |
| 22:47.57 | streuner | directhex: so why the hell are you running an free OS at all then? |
| 22:47.57 | jair | directhex, this is the model name Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz |
| 22:48.02 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:48.03 | dpkg | qotd100 is, like, < xpurple> Now I'm getting a message that says "Sending IP address to NSA" |
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| 22:48.07 | directhex | streuner, go take your pills |
| 22:48.08 | FieldySnuts | HEH nsa |
| 22:48.08 | paulswm | Change it, Fieldy |
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| 22:48.19 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: lart $randnick |
| 22:48.20 | streuner | directhex: well, get an clue |
| 22:48.21 | directhex | jair, right, that should be fine with a debian kernel 2.6.9 or above |
| 22:48.21 | FieldySnuts | darn |
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| 22:48.32 | jair | directhex, this is the speed of the processor 1598.838 do you need any other info??? |
| 22:48.37 | concept10 | tarzeau, why are you still fucking with me? youre the troll |
| 22:48.44 | jair | directhex, cool |
| 22:48.49 | tarzeau | concept10: don't poll. it's a channel rule |
| 22:48.50 | directhex | jair, that's a Banias core chip, which is supported by speedstep-centrino in debian |
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| 22:49.04 | tarzeau | concept10: i'm very picky with whom i fuck. and no, i'm not a troll |
| 22:49.09 | jair | directhex, and probably after run it I will have to recompile my centrino configuration. |
| 22:49.14 | directhex | streuner, debian's hardware support sucks, so you shout at me? nice. |
| 22:49.21 | streuner | directhex: so what do you support at all? A free OS or some people who want earn money? |
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| 22:49.34 | pipeline | uh |
| 22:49.38 | concept10 | tarzeau, Can you help me install mambo on sarge |
| 22:49.39 | pipeline | debian's hardware support is actually very good |
| 22:49.43 | paulswm | dpkg: what does streuner pay you for |
| 22:49.43 | pipeline | probably among the best in history |
| 22:49.44 | dpkg | sometimes streuner pays me for anal stimulation, paulswm, but I've really had enough... |
| 22:49.46 | tarzeau | concept10: i won't |
| 22:49.51 | jair | directhex, hmmm I was reading something about that, what exacly is that? it will make the processor run faster or what? |
| 22:49.54 | PainKiller | ls |
| 22:50.00 | PainKiller | sry |
| 22:50.01 | directhex | jair, not much to compile. modprobe speedstep-centrino; modprobe cpufreq-userspace; apt-get install install powernowd |
| 22:50.05 | concept10 | tarzeau, well simply STFU |
| 22:50.11 | jasonr | pipeline in comparisin to woody... |
| 22:50.18 | tarzeau | concept10: go read the topic |
| 22:50.19 | directhex | jair, speedstep lowers the cpu speed when it's not in use, to save battery life |
| 22:50.19 | streuner | directhex: i know that linux support of hardware is NOT perfect |
| 22:50.25 | jim | debian's hardware support is improving nicely.... went from absolutely zero discovery/autodetection to very early detection by the installer |
| 22:50.31 | jair | directhex, ok I will do that right now with the actuall kernel to see what happen |
| 22:50.34 | directhex | pipeline, for modern kit, not old sun shit |
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| 22:50.46 | tarzeau | jim: and that for not just x86 and ppc |
| 22:50.48 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: dachs sussudio |
| 22:50.48 | dpkg | sussudio: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 22:50.52 | ttick | this is my question about debian hw support. Isn't Knoppix a debian derivitive? And why is it that I knoppix detects everything I've thrown at it, and with debian I'm always crossing my fingers? |
| 22:50.52 | jasonr | struener the support is at least 9 months behind in debian kernels.... |
| 22:50.53 | jim | does it detect all possible hardware? no. neither does anything else. |
| 22:50.59 | pipeline | directhex: Yes. Debian has some of the best hardware support of any OS ever devised. |
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| 22:51.08 | jair | directhex, I just have to type the commands you typed there and vioala? |
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| 22:51.17 | jasonr | ttick: they build and patch their own kernels for more |
| 22:51.17 | tarzeau | ttick: yes. it's only for x86. |
| 22:51.18 | directhex | jair, pretty much. |
| 22:51.20 | ttick | though, debian has gotten better. |
| 22:51.29 | pipeline | directhex: Actually, on SPARC, debian has some of the /worst/ hardware support. I was talking about i386 specifically. |
| 22:51.30 | ttick | tarzeau: oh, true! |
| 22:51.46 | jim | and debian gets it free; microsoft has to make backroom deals with hardware companies |
| 22:51.47 | paulswm | The only hardware related issue I've had with debian is that Linux sound support STILL SUCKS ASS |
| 22:51.49 | directhex | ttick, knoppix has its own hardware detection schemes, it doesn't use debian's ones |
| 22:51.52 | tarzeau | pipeline: it's not THAT bad, or do you really mean 32bit sparc only? |
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| 22:52.05 | tarzeau | paulswm: oh how true |
| 22:52.17 | tarzeau | paulswm: you mean oss, alsa old or alsa new? |
| 22:52.27 | ttick | still wish someone made a debian installer just for x86 that would do a knoppix type job of detecting everythign for n00bs and some vets. |
| 22:52.31 | pipeline | tarzeau: It's pretty bad in either case |
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| 22:52.37 | jim | paulswm: but again, that has nothing to do with debian except for the fact debian uses linux... that's a kernel driver issue |
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| 22:52.55 | streuner | directhex: what sucks about your statements is, you are telling people, well there is an OS which should prolly work better, and that sucks |
| 22:52.57 | mdh | ttick: Canonical already have. They call it Ubuntu ;) |
| 22:53.06 | directhex | streuner, and when it's true? |
| 22:53.06 | pipeline | tarzeau: Linux on SPARC makes children cry. Arch independent drivers my eye :'( |
| 22:53.11 | ttick | mdh: ;-P :) |
| 22:53.13 | paulswm | jim: Yes, I said "linux sound support" to indicate that I wasn't blaming debian |
| 22:53.16 | tarzeau | pipeline: haha |
| 22:53.31 | directhex | streuner, i have 4 computers. one of them runs ubuntu, because debian wouldn't even install (and if it did, it'd be pretty useless) |
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| 22:53.40 | streuner | directhex: scroll up, i telling you XP has better hardware-support and why do we running debian then...? |
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| 22:54.08 | jim | paulswm, then I must have misinterpreted this: "The only hardware related issue I've had with debian ..." |
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| 22:54.29 | ohad | hi, i finished building and dpkg -i my cutom kernel (dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.12_custom.1.0_i386.deb) -- i want to run mkinird -o initrd-2.6.12 and for some reason nothing happens when i run that command -- ideas? |
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| 22:54.51 | directhex | ohad, you're meant to pass --initrd to make-kpkg, so it does it for you |
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| 22:54.57 | paulswm | jim: I have the issue with debian because I don't have it with any other distro becuase I use debian exclusively, hope that clears it up for you. |
| 22:54.59 | streuner | mdh: shut up |
| 22:55.01 | jair | directhex, I will do that to see what happend... :) thank you though |
| 22:55.10 | tarzeau | mdh: and i'm an OPENSTEP troll? |
| 22:55.18 | streuner | mdh: iam running sid in years here |
| 22:55.23 | jim | ohad: let the packaging do it for you :) make-kpkg --initrd ... |
| 22:55.29 | mdh | streuner: you've done nothing in here except advocate people run Windows XP instead of Debian |
| 22:55.30 | streuner | mdh: most of the time - i hate XP |
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| 22:55.34 | tarzeau | streuner: if you at least recommended OPENSTEP, you know today i found an url where it can be downloaded from. i mean where do i download XP from? |
| 22:55.37 | paulswm | tarzeau isn't an openstep troll, he's a gnustep pimp. |
| 22:55.41 | paulswm | :P |
| 22:55.42 | reagent | directhex: btw, how do I build a kernel-image which tells the bootloader to use an initrd which has not been build with make-kpkg ? |
| 22:55.46 | streuner | tarzeau: hehe :-) |
| 22:55.55 | tarzeau | paulswm: OPENSTEP has no crappy x11. it has display postscript |
| 22:55.59 | directhex | reagent, no idea. never tried. |
| 22:56.02 | mdh | that's got to be more off-topic than any debian derivative that has been, is, or could be |
| 22:56.06 | jim | reagent: see above |
| 22:56.08 | tarzeau | paulswm: it runs perfect with 32mb memory |
| 22:56.11 | reagent | directhex: Ok, thank you anyway |
| 22:56.18 | pipeline | tarzeau: You wouldn't happen to have a NS3.3 "User" disc you would be willing to rsync with my damaged copy? :P |
| 22:56.19 | streuner | directhex: there is prolly a reason why we love free OS or not? |
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| 22:56.28 | tarzeau | pipeline: let me find the link, wait |
| 22:56.33 | paulswm | tarzeau: cool, I have a 32MB P166MMX and no GUI |
| 22:56.35 | jim | reagent: you have a make-kpkg line you can show me? |
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| 22:56.57 | mdh | tarzeau: at least OPENSTEP is good. Windows XP is unmentionable |
| 22:56.59 | MrKeuner | dh_compress: command returned error code 512. I get this error if I use -rfakeroot option with dpkg-buildpackage. However, if I run dpkg-buildpackage as superuser package compiles successfully. What can be the problem? |
| 22:57.10 | reagent | jim: make-kpkg kernel-image is what I did... but obviously that does not include an initrd at all... |
| 22:57.16 | directhex | streuner, i run debian for an array of reasons, on most of my computers. i don't really think it's worth my time explaining them to you |
| 22:57.16 | pipeline | paulswm: Good luck finding software to run on NeXTstep. Or a graphics card. Or sound. NS3.3 and OS4.2 are both pretty bad as far as i386 hardware support. You would be better off buying an HPPA or SPARC off of ebay. |
| 22:57.17 | tarzeau | paulswm: ftp://ftp.sunwizard.net/pub/MiscOS/NeXT/OpenStep/ |
| 22:57.29 | tarzeau | paulswm: same cds run on m68k, sparc, pa-risc AND i386 |
| 22:57.33 | jim | reagent: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
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| 22:57.49 | paulswm | tarzeau: thx, I'll check it out |
| 22:57.50 | tarzeau | pipeline: for you here: ftp://ftp.sunwizard.net/pub/MiscUNIX/Nextstep/ |
| 22:57.52 | pipeline | tarzeau: They do? Mine don't. |
| 22:57.55 | tarzeau | mdh: i agree |
| 22:58.05 | streuner | directhex: that wasn't the question.... |
| 22:58.10 | jim | (btw... if you do that, when does the initrd get created? in your opinion when -should- it get created?) |
| 22:58.12 | pipeline | tarzeau: My discs, there's two discs for m68k/i386 and two discs for HPPA?SPARC... |
| 22:58.14 | tarzeau | pipeline: i've booted them on SPARC . don't have the right m68ks or the hp pariscs |
| 22:58.19 | jair | directhex, I get this error running the command modprobe speedstep-centrino aracas:~# modprobe speed-centrino |
| 22:58.19 | jair | FATAL: Module speed_centrino not found. |
| 22:58.19 | jair | caracas:~# |
| 22:58.24 | tarzeau | pipeline: i386 crap of course needs floppies ;) |
| 22:58.28 | reagent | jim: ok, and how does it know the name of the initrd? |
| 22:58.39 | jim | yes, it creates the name |
| 22:58.42 | tarzeau | pipeline: cd rom ? no they are quad fat imho |
| 22:58.45 | reagent | jim: I'm doing the initrd myself. It contains a picture for bootsplash |
| 22:58.51 | paulswm | tarzeau: may be later, the huge number of 5 available connections are in use: 5 utilisateurs (le maximum) sont deja connectes, desole |
| 22:58.58 | jim | you have to arrange to boot it, look in /boot after dpkg -i ... |
| 22:58.59 | jair | directhex, what do you think cause that I have to install some extra package? |
| 22:59.01 | pipeline | tarzeau: Maybe it's because I have NS3.3 discs, not OS4.2 |
| 22:59.03 | tarzeau | pipeline: i sure know mine do work for i386 and sparc (same ones) |
| 22:59.05 | jasoncohen | is there any way to use x11vnc over SSH? |
| 22:59.10 | tarzeau | pipeline: yes that's possibly why. |
| 22:59.14 | pipeline | jasoncohen: You don't want to do that. |
| 22:59.19 | pipeline | jasoncohen: Slooooooooow. |
| 22:59.21 | directhex | jair, i'm pretty sure i said speedtsep-centrino |
| 22:59.26 | tarzeau | paulswm: haha, i've given the links to all my friends, earlier today ;) |
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| 22:59.37 | tarzeau | paulswm: maybe alot later |
| 22:59.39 | bourneagain | How can I configure DHCP to tell my clients what default gateway to use? |
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| 22:59.48 | pipeline | bourneagain: man dhcpd.conf |
| 22:59.50 | postel | jasoncohen: that would be kinda stupid, ssh -X works better, vnc is slowwww |
| 22:59.56 | DimmuR | i'm looking for application that show what is on my http server and what file is downloading - something like apachetop bug something what works in gnome - maybe some1 found program such like that and can help me? |
| 22:59.58 | paulswm | tarzeau: heh, I'll sneak up on them when they least expect it :) |
| 23:00.00 | directhex | streuner, your question doesn't parse as an english question. phrase it better, such that i can parse it, and i might be able to answer |
| 23:00.00 | jair | directhex, hahaha sorry |
| 23:00.04 | reagent | jim: so you suggest to make-kpkg --initrd and replace the initrd from the resulting package by my own? |
| 23:00.06 | bourneagain | pipeline: I will look at it again. |
| 23:00.08 | jasoncohen | postel, i kind of need to though |
| 23:00.11 | directhex | *speedstep-centrino |
| 23:00.16 | directhex | can't type |
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| 23:00.21 | pipeline | bourneagain: it's a simple question, and the answer is definitely there. |
| 23:00.22 | kittonian | can anyone tell me if the adaptec 2200S will work as a bootable drive (meaning that a RAID 5 array will be recognized as bootable) by the Sarge installer if I burn a netinstall ISO? |
| 23:00.33 | pipeline | kittonian: Probably. |
| 23:00.37 | streuner | directhex: you unterstood very well |
| 23:00.38 | tarzeau | paulswm: when you ever have it, ask me about floppies for i386, and install instructions, dns setup and default gw :) |
| 23:00.41 | jasoncohen | postel, i need it to access the X session on my myth server so i can start mythfrontend in the current x session |
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| 23:00.49 | jasoncohen | and not on the remote machine |
| 23:00.51 | tarzeau | paulswm: i will gladly guide you through all steps |
| 23:00.53 | pipeline | kittonian: You may have to boot in "expert" or "expert26" mode instead of "linux" or "linux26" though. |
| 23:00.57 | jim | reagent: if you want to build your own initrd, you can do that... I guess you wouldn't need the .deb packaging to do it for you |
| 23:01.03 | pipeline | kittonian: I would just try it with "linux26" at the "boot:" prompt first. |
| 23:01.18 | pipeline | jasoncohen: Use xmove |
| 23:01.22 | pipeline | jasoncohen: vnc is sloooooow. |
| 23:01.29 | streuner | directhex: if you arent satisfied with debian just join somewhere else |
| 23:01.29 | jim | is there a debian-installer for etch? |
| 23:01.32 | directhex | no, i don't understand "<streuner> directhex: there is prolly a reason why we love free OS or not?" - there's no context, who's the mysterious "we", and i'm not sure loving software is healthy |
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| 23:01.33 | ohad | anyone? |
| 23:01.34 | pipeline | jasoncohen: xmove is an X proxy that works like "screen" |
| 23:01.39 | ohad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.42 | tarzeau | jim: no, afaik |
| 23:01.47 | vince_ | Hey guys i'm trying to download the DVD images for debian. It says it only has 10 of the 6728 that it needs. Anyone know what to do about this? |
| 23:01.50 | reagent | jim: the problem is that the initrd lines in menu.list are wiped out every time I install a new kernel when the automatic section in that file is being rebuilt |
| 23:02.00 | ohad | why is that not working? how do i generate the mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.12? |
| 23:02.04 | jim | is there any debian-installer image that has 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 23:02.05 | jair | directhex, all set so now could I test this functionality?? |
| 23:02.05 | kittonian | well the reason I ask is I burned a woody CD and it came up saying it couldn't find any bootable disks and asked me to pop in a floppy with modules on it. So, I called Adaptec and they said that the aacraid is open source code that's been built into the vanilla linux kernel for years and as long as that's in there it should be recognized no problem |
| 23:02.06 | paulswm | tarzeau: I will. I don't really need a GUI on that box, though, but I am intersted to try. |
| 23:02.23 | jasoncohen | pipeline, thanks |
| 23:02.23 | tarzeau | paulswm: you will have a real kernel: Mach |
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| 23:02.28 | jair | jim, I think that for testing yes |
| 23:02.28 | directhex | jair, check /proc/cpuinfo - it ought to be runnig at about 600mhz, if you're not under load |
| 23:02.31 | jim | ohad: did you not read what I said before to you? |
| 23:02.41 | tarzeau | paulswm: sound apps, network, all really very powerful |
| 23:02.43 | pipeline | tarzeau, paulswm : Surely you kid. NeXTstep is cool, but it's probably the worst Mach-based OS ever released, bar none. |
| 23:02.43 | jair | ohhh ok |
| 23:02.48 | ohad | jim, sorry didn't see that you wrote something |
| 23:02.56 | jim | ohad: let the packaging do it for you :) make-kpkg --initrd ... |
| 23:02.57 | jasoncohen | pipeline, my previous solution was to bind F10 to start mythfrontend and then bind that to my remote but that requires eventd to use the same device on bootup which it doesn't |
| 23:02.59 | directhex | kittonian, why are you running woody? |
| 23:03.03 | tarzeau | pipeline: you mean it sucks to have binaries in /etc ? |
| 23:03.04 | kittonian | So, I would figure that Woody would have that just as Sarge would. I haven't tried it with Sarge yet (that's tomorrow morning's fun) but Woody certainly didn't work. So, before I stepped into the office I was hoping to confirm something or at least have a heads up on how I should attack things. |
| 23:03.16 | pipeline | tarzeau: No, I mean it's incredibly fucking slow and the codebase is a twisted mess. |
| 23:03.28 | tarzeau | pipeline: heh. not as worse as GNU Mach |
| 23:03.30 | pipeline | tarzeau: NeXTstep was clobbered together from 4.3BSD and Mach 2.x -- and it shows. |
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| 23:03.41 | tarzeau | pipeline: just wait for GNU/Hurd GNUSTEP |
| 23:03.44 | pipeline | tarzeau: Eh, GNU Mach isn't in itself bad, there's just no good kernel to run on top of it. |
| 23:03.47 | tarzeau | pipeline: yes it does |
| 23:03.55 | pipeline | tarzeau: I was comparing it to say, OSF/1 or Lites |
| 23:04.02 | kittonian | directhex: I didn't realize until today that Sarge had been stabilized. So I was using my Woody netinstall ISO CD to install a new Qmail server |
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| 23:04.15 | directhex | streuner, what the FUCK is wrong with you? i run several computers, and one of them simply WILL NOT RUN DEBIAN. somehow you've turned that into me being some kind of microsoft shill? i've been helping retards in #debian for over a year, i've contributed patches to open source development, what do YOU do except smoke crack? |
| 23:04.19 | Kbyte | dpkg: ubuntu |
| 23:04.19 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 23:04.25 | jair | cpu MHz : 599.564 this is the speed that is using now, but this will not make my processes slower? |
| 23:04.36 | pipeline | tarzeau: That's an interesting attempt at a benchmark, come to think of it. Compare NeXTstep 3, OpenStep 4, Darwin 7, and Lites + any mach 3.x derivative. |
| 23:04.36 | directhex | !tell kittonian about woody hardware support |
| 23:04.40 | ohad | jim, i am using make-kpkg --initrd vmlinuz-2.6.12 |
| 23:04.42 | directhex | jair, 3x the battery life |
| 23:04.46 | pipeline | tarzeau: battle of the unusably bad kernels! |
| 23:04.50 | ohad | jim, that doesn't work |
| 23:04.53 | lancillotto | Well, I just installed Debian from the new DVD and I chosen the expert way but Debian installs alone packages like pidentd and some doc about locales and documentation.. is it normal? |
| 23:04.54 | jair | directhex, wow that is cool |
| 23:04.58 | directhex | jair, and it'll go back to 1600mhz as soon as you go under any load |
| 23:05.00 | streuner | directhex: nothing, as long as you are not saying there is an OS which is might better here. |
| 23:05.06 | K_Dallas | directhex, chill down pal ;) |
| 23:05.08 | aldug | why doens't this command work? find -name "*.mp3" | xargs chmod 64 |
| 23:05.09 | jair | ohh ok |
| 23:05.16 | jair | got it |
| 23:05.19 | jair | directhex, ok |
| 23:05.24 | tarzeau | pipeline: os4 never crashed for me. never heard of lites. darwin 7 is what's under os x? before mac os x server, after rhapsody? |
| 23:05.24 | jim | jair: reason I'm asking... is there are folks installing with sata-only HDs and maybe cdrom drives... -some- of those can use 2.6.8, others need later version to support certain ide chipset for sata |
| 23:05.34 | tarzeau | pipeline: or should i call that rape-hsody |
| 23:05.37 | pipeline | tarzeau: Darwin 7 corresponds to OSX 10.3.x |
| 23:05.42 | jim | ohad: what do you mean "doesn't work" |
| 23:05.44 | tarzeau | pipeline: damn did they rape the gui of OPENSTEP |
| 23:05.45 | kittonian | directhex: thanks :) hehe. Is there a list of supported hardware somewhere for Sarge that would maybe confirm that the 2200S RAID controller would be recognized and/or tell me what I would need to do to make it so? |
| 23:05.45 | paulswm | pipeline: I have a 32mb p166mmx sitting here which I would like to get a UI on. |
| 23:05.49 | pipeline | tarzeau: And they're all pretty much equally bad. |
| 23:06.02 | jair | directhex, I should now install the new kernel image from the testing distro and then this speestep configuration I will have to reconfigure it again? |
| 23:06.10 | tarzeau | pipeline: that's why os x is so slow. their kernel? |
| 23:06.10 | directhex | streuner, in the *CONTEXT* of late 2004 centrino hardware with i915 chipset, then YES, there _IS_ better than debian, which does not WORK. there's really nothing more to it than that |
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| 23:06.17 | aldug | any ideas? |
| 23:06.18 | kittonian | Basically I'm wondering if I can just go through a normal netinstall or whether I will need to go into some sort of expert mode to make it happen |
| 23:06.18 | resiak | streuner: We're not allowed to speak the truth? |
| 23:06.19 | ohad | jim,Error: Unknown target vmlinuz-2.6.12 use --targets to display help on valid targets. |
| 23:06.21 | pipeline | paulswm: Add swap and run a regular X11 GUI. |
| 23:06.22 | gregj | hi guys |
| 23:06.32 | jair | jim, hmmm interesting good to now my friend. |
| 23:06.33 | gregj | I have problem (again) with postfix2 and sasl2 |
| 23:06.33 | K_Dallas | heya gregj |
| 23:06.33 | directhex | jair, add "speedstep-centrino" and "cpufreq-userspace" to /etc/modules, it'll load it up on boot. |
| 23:06.38 | pipeline | paulswm: As an X terminal, it shouldn't hit swap all that often. |
| 23:06.43 | jair | directhex, cool |
| 23:06.47 | paulswm | pipeline: X is crap enough without running it on such a slow box. |
| 23:06.53 | pipeline | paulswm: Slow isn't the problem. |
| 23:06.56 | streuner | resiak: the truth is different.... |
| 23:06.56 | gregj | everything works perfectly well, except for outlook , I can't send emails, outlook doesn't even try to use auth, even thou I told him to do so |
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| 23:07.10 | FieldySnuts | use a real client |
| 23:07.11 | pipeline | paulswm: I've run X on some really slow machines. No, the problem is that 32M of RAM. That's not even enough to have much fun even without X. |
| 23:07.13 | jim | ohad: so... :) when you do that, what target does it say you should use? |
| 23:07.26 | resiak | streuner: Debian DOESN'T WORK on a whole load of recent boards. |
| 23:07.27 | streuner | resiak: some people say the glass is full - some people say the glass is half empty ;-) |
| 23:07.38 | ohad | jim, nope |
| 23:07.44 | pipeline | resiak: And yet Debian hardware support is better than 99% of the alternatives :P |
| 23:07.45 | FieldySnuts | !hire directhex |
| 23:07.52 | FieldySnuts | haha it had to use that nick |
| 23:07.53 | lancillotto | Well, I just installed Debian from the new DVD and I chosen the expert way but Debian installs alone packages like pidentd and some doc about locales and documentation.. is it normal? |
| 23:07.55 | jasonr | some say the guy with the glass over there is a better glass for your hand too |
| 23:07.58 | jim | ohad: it's suggesting that you run __________ to find out what target to pick |
| 23:07.59 | directhex | i'll stay as a supercomputer sysadmin, ta |
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| 23:08.16 | paulswm | pipeline: Look, I use the box as my network ntp server and to update dyndns, it really doesn't need to do much else. I was simply curious to try out tarzeau's suggestion, and I have no idea why you feel the need to persuade me otherwise. |
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| 23:08.29 | roler | i have an issue with my system in that when flash plays in firefox, it tries to play sound and freezes my browser. if I kill 'esd' and re-load, it does sound fine. obiously at that point, other sound devices wont play until the browser stops because esd is dead. I'm not sure if this is my hardware, or software... I would venture to say it's the software because it seems flash is trying to access /dev/dsp directly |
| 23:08.30 | kittonian | directhex: what do you think? |
| 23:08.38 | jair | directhex, this is what I have in /etc/modules = http://rafb.net/paste/results/F7kGcm10.html do you think that this can be the cause of the "turning off iddle" of my laptop? |
| 23:08.40 | Kupal[] | what kernel would be best for a single core xeon system; mind you this is going to be a production server, but it has a spare cpu socket...... |
| 23:08.41 | jim | ohad: this requires an unusual skill... reading... |
| 23:08.42 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 23:08.42 | apt | India will get its ass kicked by Pakistan! |
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| 23:08.50 | ohad | jim :P |
| 23:08.54 | jasonr | !tell roler about dmix |
| 23:08.56 | jair | directhex, it should be a acpi there of something like that? |
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| 23:09.12 | tarzeau | wasn't there #world-relations for that kind of stuff? |
| 23:09.13 | pipeline | paulswm: Because you almost certainly won't get a GUI using NeXTstep. OpenStep has slightly better hardware support, but it still expects you to have a pretty top-of-the-line graphics board. |
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| 23:09.19 | Kupal[] | !ShIT good to see the channel is regular (has ppl I know in it) |
| 23:09.20 | dpkg | Kupal[]: okay |
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| 23:09.31 | jim | and you have to apply that skill to an unusual body of reading material.... the error message you got... |
| 23:09.38 | streuner | resiak: there are rules everywhere in every group, that has nothing to do with telling people the truth |
| 23:09.42 | pipeline | paulswm: Keep in mind that this was sold as an alternative to MacOS or a cheap Sun workstation. They simply didn't expect people to buy it for machines that didn't have 500$ cards :P |
| 23:09.51 | directhex | jair, no, i whouldn't think so |
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| 23:09.55 | resiak | roler: You can dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-plugins (I _think_) to make it wrap plugins for esd |
| 23:10.03 | battlecat | Hi. I have Ubuntu running on my i386 but it is not on a network at all it is stand alone. Is there anywhere to download package CDs ?? |
| 23:10.09 | FieldySnuts | ask #ubuntu, please |
| 23:10.14 | directhex | battlecat, this isn't #ubuntu |
| 23:10.19 | Kupal[] | jim anythoughts should i run the 32-smp kernel cause these are xeons (but not running in a dual conf) or should i run the regular 32... |
| 23:10.31 | jair | directhex, ohh ok |
| 23:10.33 | tarzeau | battlecat: go away |
| 23:10.40 | directhex | battlecat, i think the answer to that question is "no, you need debian for that" |
| 23:10.42 | jasonr | streuner: if this is debian support and debian doesnt have support for a device we offer advice as to how to fix...if its hard on debian we say so |
| 23:10.44 | witless | is anyone currently limping by on a post-sarge sid desktop w/X+GNOME or is it unusable? |
| 23:10.45 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite battlecat |
| 23:10.46 | ravenbird | battlecat: why dont ya go spending all your doc on a town bike bloody hell mate |
| 23:10.48 | vince_ | Anybody know the command to find a program's # that I need to kill? |
| 23:10.53 | resiak | streuner: And you're saying that the rule here is that we can't say what will work when Debian doesn't?\ |
| 23:10.55 | jim | battlecat: sorry; there's not support for ubuntu here (it's not debian, and probaly it's different the way they do networking) |
| 23:10.58 | directhex | Kupal[], how new are the xeons? |
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| 23:11.03 | Kupal[] | brand new |
| 23:11.08 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: where will you go? |
| 23:11.10 | directhex | Kupal[], those will be 64 bit then |
| 23:11.24 | battlecat | thank you directhex. |
| 23:11.26 | streuner | jasonr: well, iam running debian in years and it works on every system i bought |
| 23:11.27 | Chat451 | FieldySnuts aren't you in #gentoo as well? |
| 23:11.29 | Kupal[] | ahh |
| 23:11.37 | FieldySnuts | Chat451: wow you can do a /whois! |
| 23:11.44 | Kupal[] | what command is it to see them, i know its not lspci.. i forgot.. |
| 23:11.45 | directhex | Kupal[], i'd look into amd64 debian if i were you |
| 23:11.48 | Chat451 | FieldySnuts yay! |
| 23:11.49 | mdh | though would be "spending all your dough" fucking lamericans |
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| 23:11.55 | directhex | Kupal[], cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:11.55 | mdh | s/though/that/ |
| 23:11.57 | concept10 | im sick of these ubuntu zealots coming in here starting trouble |
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| 23:12.05 | streuner | resiak: thats not our problem... |
| 23:12.11 | Chat451 | FieldySnuts only problem is you aren't listed in #gentoo |
| 23:12.14 | FieldySnuts | they're not starting trouble, for the most part, they're just unclued |
| 23:12.16 | jair | directhex, how this looks? http://rafb.net/paste/results/6wfmE446.html it is the installation of the kernel "testing on my sarge" |
| 23:12.17 | Kupal[] | 2.8ghz |
| 23:12.20 | jim | battlecat: best we can do is say "man 5 interfaces", "man ifup", "man ifdown", "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/interfaces.gz" |
| 23:12.20 | streuner | resiak: Our problem is to force debian |
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| 23:12.25 | FieldySnuts | Chat451: why does it matter here in #debian ? |
| 23:12.32 | r0b0c0d | oi there ya dingo mate |
| 23:12.35 | Chat451 | because I'm bored |
| 23:12.35 | gregj | is cyrus on debian compiled with --enable-login option ? |
| 23:12.38 | gregj | if not, that's a bug |
| 23:12.39 | Chat451 | and you seemed familiar |
| 23:12.40 | FieldySnuts | okay |
| 23:12.42 | Kupal[] | amd64? whilest i run intel? is this what you mean? |
| 23:12.48 | K_Dallas | Q: I have a package installed from experimental, now i need the dev part which i cannot find on the p.d.o. where else should i look for it? Thanks (in a more formal way) |
| 23:13.00 | r0b0c0d | oh boy that's a ridgy-didge if i ever saw one.. |
| 23:13.00 | streuner | resiak: if we are going to support _ANY_ free OS - we should join #linux then... |
| 23:13.25 | MobyTurbo | streuner: ##linux |
| 23:13.31 | directhex | Kupal[], intel's EM64T is a clone of AMD64. it run AMD64 OSes like amd64 linux or windows x64 edition |
| 23:13.35 | streuner | MobyTurbo: hm |
| 23:13.36 | r0b0c0d | ya and also dont forget a cask of goon do smash down while watching the footy mate |
| 23:13.47 | tarzeau | streuner: what about #gnu ##hurd and #kfreebsd ? and #freedos |
| 23:14.03 | jair | directhex, I think i will go ahead and reboot the machine to see if the turning off problem get solved. and if do not could I remove the image kernel without damage anything on the system? |
| 23:14.13 | reagent | gregj: you can check that by watching the diff at http://packages.debian.org/cyrus |
| 23:14.13 | directhex | tarzeau, those don'ty exist. "<streuner> resiak: Our problem is to force debian" |
| 23:14.17 | Kupal[] | directhex: gotcha.. i was hearing M$ told intel to do that a while back ago. |
| 23:14.20 | resiak | streuner: Erm, what exactly are you smoking? We should force Debian on people who _cannot_ _run_ _it_? What's wrong with saying "Debian won't work for you. I can suggest Ubuntu as an alternative."? That's not offtopic. |
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| 23:14.24 | directhex | jaiger, yes, you can. |
| 23:14.35 | streuner | tarzeau: s/#linux/#freeos/ - better ;-) |
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| 23:14.36 | witless | well, here goes nuthin. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 23:14.40 | Kupal[] | is there anyway i can distiguish that this is a 64bit chip.. |
| 23:15.02 | jair | directhex, ok I will be back them thank you |
| 23:15.05 | directhex | Kupal[], um... i'm not sure |
| 23:15.06 | streuner | resiak: it is |
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| 23:15.13 | bourneagain | pipeline: I finally saw my mistake. Thanks. Although it took me around 10 tries to get it to work. Thanks. I gotta read the manual more. |
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| 23:15.18 | mdh | resiak: streuner wants everyone to be running Windows XP instead |
| 23:15.24 | tarzeau | streuner: i wouldn't mind, but then i'd also suggest GNUSTEP |
| 23:15.27 | r0b0c0d | there goes my asschuck side pains again |
| 23:15.32 | streuner | tarzeau: hehe |
| 23:15.41 | tarzeau | mdh: nothing wrong with that, is it? (is he serious?) |
| 23:16.00 | FieldySnuts | @troll mdh |
| 23:16.04 | resiak | streuner: You're on crack. What _should_ we say to someone with a chipset Debian doesn't speak to? |
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| 23:16.13 | bourneagain | pipeline: I had read it like 3 times. I did not see that it had to be set up in the subnet definition. |
| 23:16.21 | FieldySnuts | "get real hardware"? |
| 23:16.31 | chealer-brain | directhex: could you explain me the upgrade nvidia factoid, like why it asks to purge nvidia-glx? |
| 23:16.32 | streuner | resiak: buy something else then |
| 23:16.41 | Chat451 | ooo a troll |
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| 23:16.53 | tarzeau | and never ask the vendor if it runs with linux or debian. |
| 23:16.54 | Chat451 | mdh who's streuner? |
| 23:16.56 | streuner | resiak: why we should support something else other than debian? |
| 23:17.00 | directhex | FieldySnuts, "no, please don't give me that free laptop, i'll go dumpster diving instead, that one you're offering is new! :o" |
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| 23:17.01 | tarzeau | !streuner |
| 23:17.01 | dpkg | i love him |
| 23:17.20 | simonrvn | directhex: indeed |
| 23:17.29 | tarzeau | streuner: suggesting something doesn't mean you'll support it, does it? |
| 23:17.33 | directhex | by "new" i mean "7 months old", natch |
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| 23:17.44 | Drevay | hi! |
| 23:17.56 | Chat451 | ohhh whoa |
| 23:18.01 | Chat451 | he's here! |
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| 23:18.10 | Drevay | o_O |
| 23:18.13 | vince_ | Woot i'm downloading the debian DVDs now :) |
| 23:18.14 | simonrvn | eastlink, isn't that nova scotia ? |
| 23:18.16 | directhex | chealer-brain, oh that, i had trouble upgrading nvidia in the past because of some strict Depends: preventing installation of a new kernel package |
| 23:18.16 | Chat451 | apparently I missed that.... |
| 23:18.19 | mdh | Chat451: don't know, don't care. As a troll for M$ I have her on /ignore |
| 23:18.27 | directhex | chealer-brain, i forgot that factoid existed |
| 23:18.29 | Drevay | simonrvn, Prince Edward Island :) |
| 23:18.29 | Chat451 | her? |
| 23:18.35 | simonrvn | aah, cool :) |
| 23:18.36 | beardy | directhex: Dumpster diving is probably more likely for most people rather than to be given free new laptops.. |
| 23:18.37 | witless | i miss nova scotia |
| 23:18.42 | Chat451 | mdh her? |
| 23:18.45 | Drevay | wait wait wait, are you talking about me Chat451? |
| 23:18.53 | LinuxJones | witless, where you @ now ? |
| 23:18.56 | Chat451 | Drevay I don't think so |
| 23:19.01 | Drevay | heh ok |
| 23:19.02 | witless | US-CT |
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| 23:19.07 | Drevay | simonrvn, cool man :) |
| 23:19.07 | ttick | whoohoo, found out where /etc/hotplug/usb.distmap is for 2.6 kernels -> /lib/modules/.../modules.usbmap ! Part 1 of the hot-plug mystery solved. |
| 23:19.09 | tarzeau | simonrvn: just awoke? |
| 23:19.10 | LinuxJones | witless, ahhh |
| 23:19.11 | Chat451 | I'm not quite sure who this streuner person is |
| 23:19.12 | roler | resiak; hmm... |
| 23:19.13 | Drevay | simonrvn, good to see a canadian around :) |
| 23:19.22 | directhex | beardy, but what's being said here is "if someone has hardware unsupported by debian, tell them off and tell them to buy antique equipment, don't tell them how to ACTUALLY use the kit" |
| 23:19.24 | chealer-brain | directhex: what?! you forgot you created a factoid? meaning it's *unmaintained*??!! :-P |
| 23:19.25 | simonrvn | tarzeau: playing bzflag ;) |
| 23:19.26 | Chat451 | except that there is someone here with the nick streuner |
| 23:19.33 | streuner | Chat451: dont troll here |
| 23:19.38 | Drevay | i'm so psyched about ATi now, they just released a driver update and the X800 XL is finally supported! |
| 23:19.44 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i hate that. runs only with 3fps here |
| 23:19.48 | Chat451 | streuner I'm not trying to troll, just confused |
| 23:19.48 | Drevay | that was the main reason why I wasn't using Linux ^_^ |
| 23:20.00 | MobyTurbo | Canada is not a real country anyway |
| 23:20.01 | chealer-brain | directhex: just tell me if it's still ok, otherwise tell me after you fixed it |
| 23:20.03 | simonrvn | tarzeau: for once i was able to play at a decent speed. was nice |
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| 23:20.07 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: hha |
| 23:20.17 | directhex | chealer-brain, it seems logical to me. why, is 76xx in sid now? |
| 23:20.20 | Drevay | MobyTurbo, you come up here and tell me that to my face! ;) |
| 23:20.24 | tarzeau | simonrvn: wait you like playing games? |
| 23:20.24 | roler | thanks |
| 23:20.25 | simonrvn | i'm metis anyway, i'm sovereign :) |
| 23:20.25 | Drevay | : D |
| 23:20.27 | resiak | streuner: I'm gonna drop this, because you're clearly not going to conceed that it is possible to think that Debian has flaws. Congratulations! You've won 1st prize in Denying Reality(TM) |
| 23:20.42 | chealer-brain | directhex: experimental |
| 23:20.44 | Drevay | simonrvn, cool, you're metis? nice |
| 23:20.47 | witless | i'm running my first update to sid since sarge released. what are the odds i will go off-line within the next three minutes? |
| 23:20.49 | directhex | resiak, he beat steve jobs' reality distortiono field? 8D |
| 23:20.55 | simonrvn | directhex: hehe |
| 23:20.59 | MobyTurbo | Drevay: "Canada's chief exports to the United States are cold fronts and hockey players" - Trudeau |
| 23:21.11 | resiak | directhex: Hahah |
| 23:21.11 | Drevay | MobyTurbo, haha, Trudo was quite the cat ;) |
| 23:21.14 | witless | i want to buy some property in nova scotia |
| 23:21.23 | simonrvn | he forgot to add comedians and musical artists |
| 23:21.26 | Drevay | witless, yeah, NS is a nice place :) |
| 23:21.31 | K_Dallas | MobyTurbo, and the reverse is pollution and insecurity |
| 23:21.31 | Kupal[] | F* it shoot ask later :) kernel-image-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp |
| 23:21.37 | Drevay | witless, PEI is great but ... no work :/ |
| 23:21.41 | streuner | resiak: you are clueless |
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| 23:21.59 | directhex | HAHAHA |
| 23:22.02 | simonrvn | that was also 40 years ago... |
| 23:22.02 | resiak | streuner: Thanks. |
| 23:22.07 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: don't tell me about insecurity, I live in a part of Brooklyn that could see the WTC. |
| 23:22.08 | chealer-brain | directhex: ok...but what's the dependency issue exactly? |
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| 23:22.44 | jim | witless: sid? why would you be doing that? |
| 23:22.48 | K_Dallas | MobyTurbo, sure |
| 23:22.51 | directhex | chealer-brain, you can't install nvidia-kernel-foo if nvidia-glx version 1.0-bar ius already installed, as it has a hard dependancy on the nvidia-kernel-bar being replaced |
| 23:23.10 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: Yep. I saw it burning on the way to work. :-/ |
| 23:23.13 | GeoMancer | Ah, 'lo, everybody. Just trying to figure out what the differences between the iso downloads are the site. Like the different between the alpha, arm, hppa, etc. |
| 23:23.25 | Drevay | good to see it's stable now |
| 23:23.26 | K_Dallas | MobyTurbo, me too still it doesnt refute what i said |
| 23:23.31 | directhex | GeoMancer, different hardware architectures |
| 23:23.38 | tarzeau | GeoMancer: you want the i386 ones |
| 23:23.38 | beardy | GeoMancer: You want i386. |
| 23:23.43 | tarzeau | GeoMancer: only the first image |
| 23:23.46 | directhex | he might want amd64 |
| 23:23.51 | Kupal[] | I was in the WTC damnit.. |
| 23:23.51 | jim | witless: and it's very probable that we don't know the probability that your net will die... it depends on too many things, some not having to do with any upgrade |
| 23:23.52 | tarzeau | directhex: i386 will also work |
| 23:24.01 | directhex | true, but still |
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| 23:24.12 | Drevay | hey mdh? |
| 23:24.21 | directhex | unlike sparc, 64 bit mode is actually fast |
| 23:24.21 | GeoMancer | Ah, thanks. *He inclines his head to everyone.* Very new to the Windows (One month), and the Linux (Never), thing.. |
| 23:24.32 | mdh | Drevay: yes? |
| 23:24.41 | witless | Drevay: spent a couple weeks in PEI and another couple in NS/Cape Breton... thinking of buying vaca/retirement property there if possible |
| 23:24.43 | Drevay | mdh, oh nothing, i thought you meant i was the M$ troll |
| 23:24.43 | Drevay | :) |
| 23:24.59 | Daniel70 | hi all, can someone please help me to install a "3COM 3C920B-EMB-WNM Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller" on sarge as eth0? |
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| 23:25.02 | Drevay | witless, good choice NS is, i lived in Halifax for a while, nice people |
| 23:25.10 | Drevay | witless, how did you like PEI? |
| 23:25.15 | Kupal[] | I hate these servers.. |
| 23:25.21 | Kupal[] | THEY ARE SO FUCKING LOUD.. |
| 23:25.24 | Kupal[] | sorry. |
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| 23:25.40 | Chat451 | is it cold at least? |
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| 23:26.19 | Chat451 | witless personally, I'd wait until the housing bubble pops |
| 23:26.19 | witless | Drevay: solitude and natural beauty were plusses. stayed at a cottage on a river with no tv/pc/etc and went through electronics withdrawal but was fine after two days |
| 23:26.50 | Drevay | witless, yeah, it's a pretty pieceful spot, and i can relate with the withdrawl ;) |
| 23:26.57 | paulswm | pipeline: was afk, sorry... re the 32MB P166, it was only a diversion anyway, I really have no need for a GUI on that box. I am probably going to remove linux and install FreeBSD on it. |
| 23:27.15 | Drevay | apparently my 120 GB WD hdd is only 5400 RPM! |
| 23:27.17 | jasonr | bah sata sucks on netinstalls 8( 3 boards not one of them work as expected |
| 23:27.22 | Drevay | it's from the "Protege" series |
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| 23:27.30 | Chat451 | that sucks |
| 23:27.44 | tarzeau | Drevay: laptop? |
| 23:27.56 | Drevay | tarzeau, desktop, that's why i'm shocked :/ |
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| 23:28.05 | directhex | jasoncohen, what controllers? |
| 23:28.06 | tarzeau | Drevay: it fell apart? |
| 23:28.08 | bourneagain | Is there a simple services control panel that I can start and stop services with? |
| 23:28.09 | Drevay | my X800 XL is going to waste in this athlon 2800+ |
| 23:28.19 | GeoMancer | Thanks for the help, will be back later, if I need more help. Ta! |
| 23:28.23 | bourneagain | Other then command line. |
| 23:28.23 | simonrvn | bourneagain: no, use a terminal. easier |
| 23:28.24 | Drevay | tarzeau, oh no, nothing like that, it's just that 7200 RPM is pretty much standard |
| 23:28.27 | K_Dallas | bourneagain, one way would be to install webadmin |
| 23:28.29 | jasonr | it would seem every one of these sata boards clashed the IDE so i have to build a kernel for sata and IDE builtin |
| 23:28.42 | Drevay | 5400 is so .. 20 gig : p |
| 23:28.43 | dabaR | I am planning on making a net Install, I think. I did it once before, and am wondering, is there a manual, or some documentation on how to set up X & gnome once I install, or if there is no documentation, any advice is welcome. The installation is Sarge. |
| 23:29.00 | tarzeau | heh |
| 23:29.05 | Drevay | i'll have to get a SATA 80 gig for Linux though, no IDE's in the new PC |
| 23:29.05 | jasoncohen | directhex, ? |
| 23:29.08 | jasonr | daba: it does it as part of the netinst |
| 23:29.08 | K_Dallas | dabaR, you go ahead with installation and chose desktop environment |
| 23:29.10 | bourneagain | simonrvn: How about a GUI program that attached scripts to buttons? |
| 23:29.20 | tarzeau | Drevay: wait you think my 2.1 gb disk has only 5400 rpm? |
| 23:29.22 | dabaR | ok, where? |
| 23:29.36 | dabaR | I did it before, I remember there was no X. |
| 23:29.40 | Drevay | tarzeau, you have a new Seagate mini-hdd? |
| 23:29.42 | Kupal[] | SATA - SW RAID - LVM very sexy shit. |
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| 23:29.52 | Drevay | if that's 7200 rpm then, cool :D |
| 23:29.53 | tarzeau | Drevay: nah. i've gots very old stuff here |
| 23:29.54 | directhex | jasoncohen, which disk controllers |
| 23:29.54 | jasonr | daba it does now |
| 23:29.54 | simonrvn | bourneagain: you could make an icon with kde or gnome that would run 'sudo name_of_command --here' perhaps |
| 23:29.55 | dabaR | read the installation instructions again> |
| 23:29.57 | dabaR | ? |
| 23:30.00 | Drevay | tarzeau, oh heh |
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| 23:30.11 | Drevay | tarzeau, if it's an old hdd then yes, 5400 RPM or less |
| 23:30.13 | Shadda` | hey |
| 23:30.14 | Drevay | probably 4800 |
| 23:30.28 | tarzeau | hddtemp works on yours? |
| 23:30.31 | Shadda` | I'm trying to install a package (apt-get), says I'm missing libpgsql2 but I can't find it anywhere |
| 23:30.34 | directhex | tarzeau, not for me. |
| 23:30.39 | simonrvn | bourneagain: and run it in say, zenity or shell, and cough up a dialogue box for say, the password, or other thing |
| 23:30.45 | Shadda` | its not on packages.debian.org, and all the searched i did on google came up with empty directories |
| 23:30.58 | jasonr | shadda: postgresql library by the looks |
| 23:30.58 | Kupal[] | shadda apt-get install apt-file |
| 23:31.01 | Kupal[] | apt-file update |
| 23:31.02 | Drevay | you know i was going to go Slack, but then i remember the HORRORS OF DEPENDENCY ISSUES from last time, so i wisened up |
| 23:31.02 | streuner | directhex: did you edit /etc/hddtemp.conf? |
| 23:31.03 | Drevay | :P |
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| 23:31.06 | Kupal[] | apt-file search file |
| 23:31.12 | seldon | Shadda: What package? |
| 23:31.13 | Kupal[] | sometimes helps.. |
| 23:31.19 | Shadda` | seldon: php5-pgsql |
| 23:31.20 | simonrvn | bourneagain: easier to just run it directly from CL |
| 23:31.26 | seldon | From where? |
| 23:31.36 | Shadda` | packages.dotdeb.org ./ |
| 23:31.43 | de_mon | exit |
| 23:31.46 | streuner | directhex: it works for me, i just edited hddtemp db |
| 23:31.48 | Daniel70 | Can someone please help me to install a "3COM 3C920B-EMB-WNM Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller" on sarge as eth0? |
| 23:32.04 | Drevay | ok guys |
| 23:32.04 | directhex | streuner, on a serial ata disk on a modern motherboard? |
| 23:32.08 | Drevay | i'll be back in about an hour or so |
| 23:32.09 | tarzeau | Daniel70: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 23:32.13 | Shadda` | Kupal[]: apt-file update >> sh: line 1: curl: command not found |
| 23:32.14 | dabaR | ok, Ill try that, thanks. |
| 23:32.14 | Drevay | installing Debian :J |
| 23:32.23 | jasoncohen | directhex, i don't know what you're talking about. did we speak earlier? i use a promise ATA-100 IDE controller...not sure if that's what you're talking about |
| 23:32.25 | thomasb | hi, trying to setup my modem, which is detected by kernel 2.6.11 at bootup but MAKEDEV does not create any of /dev/ttyS* even if I run it manually . Any ideas ? |
| 23:32.26 | streuner | directhex: hm |
| 23:32.32 | Kupal[] | shadda apt-get install curl |
| 23:32.36 | Shadda` | yeah |
| 23:32.42 | seldon | Shadda`: I see. That refers to woody packages |
| 23:32.44 | Shadda` | Kupal[], it's already installed is the thing :) |
| 23:32.45 | Kupal[] | may have to apt-cache search curl.. |
| 23:32.51 | seldon | You need to adjust the sources.list line. Wait a sec |
| 23:32.53 | Kupal[] | is it path(ed) |
| 23:32.53 | Shadda` | I use curl religiously |
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| 23:33.09 | resiak | streuner: You're attacking the wrong person here. Hell, I have !ubuntu bound to a key in irssi. But whatever. |
| 23:33.11 | seldon | deb http://packages.dotdeb.org sarge php5 |
| 23:33.16 | seldon | that should do the trick |
| 23:33.19 | Shadda` | thanks :) |
| 23:33.53 | streuner | resiak: scroll up |
| 23:33.56 | bourneagain | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 23:34.03 | seldon | deb http://packages.dotdeb.org sarge all <-- if you want more from that source |
| 23:34.19 | resiak | streuner: When should I stop scrolling? |
| 23:34.19 | tarzeau | resiak: how to bind !UBUNTO to a key in irssi? |
| 23:34.22 | Daniel70 | dpkg repeat returns "need an action option" (I'm new to linux" |
| 23:34.35 | streuner | resiak: besides, i didnt start saying anything to you |
| 23:34.39 | Shadda` | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.dotdeb.org sarge/php5 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.dotdeb.org_dists_sarge_php5_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:34.42 | tarzeau | Daniel70: /msg dpkg tell Daniel70 about repeat |
| 23:34.47 | resiak | streuner: I agree. |
| 23:34.53 | simonrvn | !tell Daniel70 about repeat |
| 23:34.55 | streuner | resiak: :-) |
| 23:34.59 | tarzeau | Shadda`: heh |
| 23:35.09 | bourneagain | Ok, I have another silly question. Can I make the network install silent somehow? |
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| 23:35.17 | tarzeau | Shadda`: what about you just forget php5? |
| 23:35.24 | resiak | tarzeau: /bind ^Ou command say !ubuntu |
| 23:35.24 | Shadda` | mmmm-naw |
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| 23:35.31 | tarzeau | bourneagain: like have nothing on the monitor? |
| 23:35.36 | Shadda` | I code exclusively in php5 |
| 23:35.38 | Daniel70 | thx simon! |
| 23:35.39 | resiak | tarzeau: The "O" is for offtopic ;) |
| 23:35.44 | Shadda` | and postgres is my database of choice |
| 23:35.46 | bourneagain | tarzeay: right and no prompts |
| 23:35.53 | tarzeau | resiak: and then press what that irssi types !UBUNTO plus enter? |
| 23:35.58 | bourneagain | mainly no promps ... sorry |
| 23:36.00 | simonrvn | at least s/he's running postgres... |
| 23:36.04 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 23:36.05 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 23:36.06 | tarzeau | bourneagain: you can turn off the vga video signal, if you got i386 here: |
| 23:36.07 | Kupal[] | shadda you really should find a ftp:// source then ftp into so you understand what your putting in sources.list.. basically the stanza is wrong |
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| 23:36.09 | seldon | Shadda`: Oh, I see. The repository works other than I thought. Use the all-line I wrote above, it's in there. |
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| 23:36.13 | resiak | tarzeau: Yes |
| 23:36.15 | tarzeau | bourneagain: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/ see the vgaonoff.c |
| 23:36.17 | seldon | deb http://packages.dotdeb.org sarge all <-- that one |
| 23:36.25 | tarzeau | bourneagain: also funny if you want to nerve some users ;) |
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| 23:36.32 | eeyore- | mysql here |
| 23:36.41 | Shadda` | thanks |
| 23:36.43 | tarzeau | resiak: which key? |
| 23:36.45 | Delph | eeyore-: you're not meant to admit that, it's not cool. |
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| 23:36.59 | eeyore- | might do postgresql some day, but it's a bit of a pain when changing table schema heavily during development |
| 23:37.09 | Shadda` | seldon: still nothin' |
| 23:37.16 | seldon | wait a sec |
| 23:37.21 | Kupal[] | ftp://some.com sarge/update main looks like this on the ftp server /stable/updates/main/packages.gz |
| 23:37.29 | bourneagain | tarzeau: I am doing a PXE network install. It looks great. The hostname and computer name automatically setup. Everything but the users. I want to make it so that it installs without asking for input now. |
| 23:37.30 | resiak | tarzeau: Particularly handy on Dvorak, where U and o are on the homerow. I hit Ctrl-o and then u. |
| 23:37.37 | thomasb | vd |
| 23:37.37 | witless | my desktop is gonna explode |
| 23:37.46 | tarzeau | bourneagain: ah i see.. we also have that. |
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| 23:37.58 | keith | woodyr4. How do I shut down wvdial other than ^C. I sometimes absentmindedly exit from the Terminal before closing the internet connection, which means I cannot close wvdial connection. |
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| 23:38.09 | seldon | Shadda`: Works here... |
| 23:38.13 | Shadda` | normally I'd just compile all this crap... |
| 23:38.16 | bourneagain | tarzeau: I am new to linux, it took me a few hours to figure out how to do this. |
| 23:38.19 | Shadda` | but I need this up relatively fast |
| 23:38.22 | resiak | keith: killall ? |
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| 23:38.37 | seldon | Shadda`: You did apt-get update, right? |
| 23:38.45 | Shadda` | aye |
| 23:38.57 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 23:38.57 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 23:39.02 | Shadda` | hm, sec |
| 23:39.08 | bourneagain | tarzeau: I found out the tftp did not work. What a pain. |
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| 23:39.15 | Shadda` | ah |
| 23:39.17 | Shadda` | my mistake |
| 23:39.31 | Shadda` | I did the update on the wrong terminal :D |
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| 23:39.40 | Shadda` | shelled into five different computers heheh |
| 23:40.04 | Kupal[] | shutdown when the powerbutton is hit, is what package.. i thought it was acpi, then i tried apmd |
| 23:40.25 | Kupal[] | acpid |
| 23:40.26 | paulswm | !clue resiak |
| 23:40.27 | Kupal[] | duh.. |
| 23:40.37 | resiak | paulswm: Heh |
| 23:40.44 | paulswm | :D |
| 23:41.18 | ttick | whoohoo, breakthrough! just got hotplug to run a script when I put in my pendrive! Wow, if I weren't reading documents written for kernels 2.2 and 2.4, this prolly would have been easy. |
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| 23:41.55 | directhex | ttick, doesn't sarge already have some scripts to do it, not to mention gnome-volume-manager ? |
| 23:42.03 | jasonr | ttick: you may want gnome-volume-manager if you dont want to write scripts for everythin |
| 23:42.21 | Kupal[] | ttick, post your notes somewhere? |
| 23:42.23 | bourneagain | tarzeua: Is there anything out there that simply remember the last install set of answers for a given MAC address and uses that if the file is present. And if you delete it it asks again? |
| 23:42.36 | bourneagain | tarzeau: From a server based install. |
| 23:42.43 | ttick | hmm, sure now everyone tells me! Hmm, not running gnome though, think that's a problem? |
| 23:42.51 | witless | at this moment great seething forces are aligning themselves against each other on my workstation |
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| 23:43.04 | eeyore- | Kupal[]: "acpid" |
| 23:43.15 | tarzeau | bourneagain: not that i know |
| 23:43.23 | bourneagain | witless: Spawn Debian |
| 23:43.30 | directhex | ttick, i use gvm on xfce4 |
| 23:44.06 | jasonr | haha 22 hours and 15 mins for my base install on isdn....soo LeeT |
| 23:44.15 | Kupal[] | i changed my sources.list from testing to sarge did apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, yet my login console says testing/unstable.. did i fubar that up? |
| 23:44.32 | streuner | jasonr: 5-10 minutes here |
| 23:45.01 | streuner | jasonr: thats usually you need to install base system in debian with a netinstall CD |
| 23:45.02 | simonrvn | Kupal[]: you effecitvely downgraded, and seemingly not completely. wth did you do that? |
| 23:45.21 | eeyore- | Kupal[]: vi /etc/debian_version |
| 23:45.25 | witless | the cooperative hive is disintegrating before my eyes, and i go hurtling toward a pre-industrial state |
| 23:45.29 | jasonr | streuner heheh adsl tommorow onsite....3.5 years of arguing with Telstra to get the to wire the street.....demand was not high apparently ...proabbly because we own the entire street |
| 23:45.30 | Kupal[] | simonrvn: this is a box that will sit in a cabinant, i want regular security updates.. |
| 23:45.40 | Kupal[] | and i installed from the D-I |
| 23:45.49 | Kupal[] | actually an older DI |
| 23:46.01 | mdh | jasonr: hahahhaha |
| 23:46.10 | ttick | directhex: hmm, okay. gvm does what? Basically I just want something to pop drives up in my wife's konqueror filebrowser when she sticks the usb drive in. Was making a hotplug script to do: ls -s /var/autofs/removable/usb /mnt/usb for her. Would gvm give me something like that? Hmm, now, where did I put that google bookmark. |
| 23:46.12 | Kupal[] | I won't see this server but maybe twice a year? |
| 23:46.18 | Kupal[] | if that? |
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| 23:46.40 | simonrvn | no i meant why downgrade, why not just head straight for stable... |
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| 23:46.50 | simonrvn | but anyway, i'm nitpicking |
| 23:47.30 | Kupal[] | hmm |
| 23:47.33 | Kupal[] | good point |
| 23:47.37 | directhex | ttick, gvm does exactly that, though by default opens nautilus |
| 23:47.40 | Kupal[] | so I should change it to stable huh? |
| 23:47.56 | simonrvn | well, aren't you pointed at that anyway? sarge == stable |
| 23:48.03 | Kupal[] | change to stable, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 23:48.05 | Kupal[] | pretty much |
| 23:48.25 | Kupal[] | and your right it will change to the new stable when we are 5-10 years away.. |
| 23:48.36 | simonrvn | so give it time to settle, it should sort out, and vim /etc/debian_version like eeyore- said ;) |
| 23:48.47 | Kupal[] | gotcha |
| 23:48.51 | simonrvn | (well vi, but wtf) |
| 23:48.52 | ttick | directhex: okay, good enough! Sheesh, wish someone told me about this about 3 days ago. been beating my head against this wall for some time. But I'm glad to know now. Going to check out gvm, thanks. |
| 23:48.59 | quittt | I need a good guitar tune!! |
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| 23:49.00 | quittt | !guitar |
| 23:49.00 | Kupal[] | so apt is cochure.. |
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| 23:49.21 | initech | cochure? |
| 23:49.22 | resiak | quittt: www.whoiselmoblatch.com |
| 23:49.30 | Kupal[] | vi is not vim like the manual says... or vim is not vi (who cares right) |
| 23:49.31 | simonrvn | cochure? |
| 23:49.43 | Pozican | alsaconf cannot find my card -- actually it can't find any modules -- Heres one of the errors it gets Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). |
| 23:49.46 | quittt | resiak, what this site has? |
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| 23:49.59 | Kupal[] | simonrvn: can't spell.. i mean the apt- is cool, its downgraded to stable (sarge) |
| 23:50.07 | simonrvn | time to shave my head to finish up this mohawk |
| 23:50.11 | Shadda` | hehhe...I love this little message... |
| 23:50.15 | eeyore- | Kupal[]: update-alternatives |
| 23:50.16 | simonrvn | oh, you meant kosher :) |
| 23:50.25 | Shadda` | Gluttony$# modprobe eepro autodetect=1 |
| 23:50.25 | Kupal[] | yep. ;P |
| 23:50.30 | simonrvn | OW |
| 23:50.31 | Shadda` | Detecting ISA boards...may god help us all |
| 23:50.38 | simonrvn | you bastid! ;p |
| 23:50.41 | quittt | I want to tune my guitar |
| 23:50.52 | eeyore- | i want to tune my antenna |
| 23:50.55 | ttick | Shadda`: lol |
| 23:51.04 | bourneagain | simonrvn: Superglue and cat hair works good. |
| 23:51.06 | simonrvn | Shadda`: heh, nice one. |
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| 23:51.21 | simonrvn | bourneagain: got too much cat hair as it is ;) |
| 23:51.35 | simonrvn | (long haired cat lives here) |
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| 23:51.59 | resiak | quittt: Good songs that involve guitars. |
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| 23:52.41 | Pozican | alsaconf cannot find my card -- actually it can't find any modules -- Heres one of the errors it gets Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). -- how do I get it to load modules? |
| 23:53.04 | Kupal[] | should i be concerend about "cannot deactivate volumgroup lvm_root ?) |
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| 23:53.13 | Kupal[] | this is on shutdown.. |
| 23:53.18 | jasonr | pozican alsaconf as root |
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| 23:53.28 | Pozican | jasonr -- that error was from alsaconf |
| 23:53.30 | jim | Kupal[]: you have your root fs on an lvm lv? |
| 23:53.31 | Shadda` | excellent |
| 23:53.32 | kmalloc | hello! |
| 23:53.33 | Shadda` | I love debian |
| 23:53.42 | Kupal[] | jim: yes |
| 23:53.46 | Shadda` | just makes the most sense out of any dist |
| 23:53.47 | jasonr | pozican: ahh you may need to blacklist oss drivers if loaded |
| 23:53.54 | kmalloc | I want install debian gnu/linus sarge on my sarge, but my server have two sata hd 80gb. |
| 23:53.54 | Pozican | ahhhhh |
| 23:53.59 | Pozican | how do I do that? I know they are loaded |
| 23:54.02 | kmalloc | I need debian image for sata? |
| 23:54.04 | chealer-brain | directhex: I didn't understand the dependency problem you're talking about ("you can't install nvidia-kernel-foo if nvidia-glx version 1.0-bar ius already installed, as it has a hard dependancy on the nvidia-kernel-bar being replaced"). what's the dependency in question? |
| 23:54.13 | Kupal[] | kmalloc: lasted D-I has it. |
| 23:54.13 | jasonr | pozican: lsmod look for for the modules it detected |
| 23:54.21 | Kupal[] | jim: is this bad? |
| 23:54.32 | Pozican | it didn't detect any lol |
| 23:54.33 | jasonr | pozican if you can find the module names then do what dpokg will tell you |
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| 23:54.42 | jasonr | !tell pozican about blacklist |
| 23:54.50 | linlin | I need to add a second DHCP obtained IP address to my machine. How can I do this? |
| 23:54.50 | kmalloc | Kupal[], sarge lasted version ? |
| 23:55.04 | jim | kmalloc: did you try linux26 at the debian-installer boot prompt? do you have sarge already installed on that box? |
| 23:55.15 | jasonr | pozican: what soundcard do you actually have ? |
| 23:55.16 | Kupal[] | kmalloc: i used the D-I from months ago and did it, without incident or research.. and it worked great. |
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| 23:55.23 | kmalloc | jim, yes linux26 and expert26 this not work! |
| 23:55.28 | GuHaSe | does anyone here use nzb (http://nzb.sourceforge.net/) ? |
| 23:55.39 | jim | kmalloc: do you have debian installed? |
| 23:55.40 | dabaR | linlin, what? you have two NICs? |
| 23:55.46 | Kupal[] | kmalloc: i just used that same D-I on an e-server with a serveraid (not sata) but the drivers where good.. so your probally gonna be okay. |
| 23:55.47 | dabaR | sorry |
| 23:55.54 | linlin | no, jsut one, eth0 |
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| 23:55.56 | kmalloc | jim, i dont have debian installed in this box |
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| 23:55.57 | kmalloc | :( |
| 23:56.10 | Kupal[] | jim: about that lvm, do you think this is not good? |
| 23:56.12 | linlin | i need to get a second ip address that points to the same machine |
| 23:56.13 | Pozican | 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
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| 23:56.28 | witless | so far so good |
| 23:56.40 | kmalloc | Kupal[], lasted D-I 3.1r? |
| 23:56.47 | eeyore- | GuHaSe: what's nzb? |
| 23:56.47 | jim | Kupal[]: if you have rescue media that has lvm support and support for all your filesystems, I guess it's ok |
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| 23:57.00 | directhex | chealer-brain, nvidia-glx 1.0.7174-3 depends on the presence of nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 - if you try to install a package which provides nvidia-kernel-1.0.7664, then you would cause nvidia-glx to fail its dependancy. in order to upgrad eyour kernel module, you need to remove the package which insists on the old version being there |
| 23:57.03 | jasonr | ozican: ok i havent played with those so i cannot help you with module names really |
| 23:57.16 | Pozican | i can find the module name -- I did this in gentoo |
| 23:57.29 | Pozican | but I can't figure out which are the oss modules to blacklist |
| 23:57.32 | jim | kmalloc: do you have non-sata drives and controllers on that machine? |
| 23:57.34 | Kupal[] | jim: cool.. yeah i have that (the DI) and I have added a whole root fs to the /boot (non-lvm) and it is also bootable.. |
| 23:57.47 | GuHaSe | eeyore-, news binary grabber |
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| 23:58.08 | eeyore- | GuHaSe: ah, no. not yet. sounds nifty for all those pr0n, though |
| 23:58.32 | kmalloc | jim, hmmmm |
| 23:58.38 | jim | kmalloc: do you have non-sata drives and controllers on that machine? |
| 23:58.48 | Shadda` | Okay |
| 23:58.48 | GuHaSe | i keep getting this |
| 23:58.49 | GuHaSe | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:58.49 | GuHaSe | libnzb: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:3.4.3-13 is to be installed |
| 23:58.53 | Shadda` | Now here's something I really suck at with debian |
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| 23:58.57 | Shadda` | eh |
| 23:58.59 | Shadda` | linux* |
| 23:59.00 | GuHaSe | but i have libgcc1 installed... so i dont know what is wrong |
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| 23:59.02 | Shadda` | networking |
| 23:59.06 | kmalloc | jim, I buy a new server Dell Power Edge 420SC with two sata hard drive 80gb (non-raid) |
| 23:59.10 | Shadda` | How do I mount an NTFS network drive? |
| 23:59.19 | GuHaSe | just use samba |
| 23:59.23 | jasonr | GuHaSe: gcc4 compiled i think.... |
| 23:59.27 | directhex | Shadda`, you mean an SMB drive |
| 23:59.28 | chealer-brain | directhex: are you saying that you can't have two nvidia-kernel* packages installed at the same time? I don't understand what you mean by, or why "if you try to install a package which provides nvidia-kernel-1.0.7664, then you would cause nvidia-glx to fail its dependancy" |
| 23:59.30 | Pozican | mount -t smbfs /blah //192.168.1.100/share |
| 23:59.37 | directhex | Shadda`, the file system at the other end is irrelevant |
| 23:59.48 | GuHaSe | jasonr, so... how do i get this on my system? |
| 23:59.51 | Shadda` | ah, ok |
