| 00:00.34 | green_earz | SDFH_Linux: apt-cache show trickle |
| 00:00.47 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 00:00.58 | vorlon | lobo_nz: and this text file was installed as /lib/libpthread.so.0? Is /usr/lib/libpthread.so a symlink on your system? |
| 00:01.06 | linux_trojan | can anyone help me with NX ? |
| 00:01.14 | tcsetattr | GNU tar has defaulted to stdin/stdout rather than a tape device, for a few years now |
| 00:01.31 | tcsetattr | not that that stops me from always using -f - explicitly |
| 00:01.46 | SDFH_Linux | ok what am looking for green_earz? |
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| 00:02.08 | vorlon | lobo_nz: if so, please remove that symlink and reinstall the libc6 package; it sounds like you fiddled with something in /usr/lib at some point, and so the wrong file got overwritten on upgrade. :) |
| 00:02.23 | lobo_nz | vorlon: yes installed as /lib/libpthread.so.0 and /usr/lib/libpthread.so is not a symlink |
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| 00:03.11 | lobo_nz | vorlon: I should dpkg -i the libc6 ? |
| 00:03.14 | WiFiTux | has someone commented on Theo interview on slashdot? |
| 00:03.18 | vorlon | lobo_nz: curious. Maybe something else broke that part, and was later fixed. Do you have /usr/lib/libpthread.so on your system? (that's actually from libc6-dev, not from libc6, so I should have asked) |
| 00:03.23 | SDFH_Linux | ok what am looking for green_earz? |
| 00:03.37 | green_earz | SDFH_Linux: trickle will let you control the download speed when you are using apt-get or wget |
| 00:03.44 | vorlon | lobo_nz: if you recovered libpthread.so.0 from backup, it may not match the rest of libc6 currently on your system, so that would probably be a good idea. |
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| 00:03.57 | beardy | greycat: I agree that it's not a good description of the program, but isn't that rather Debian stupidity, not GNU, if any? |
| 00:04.20 | lobo_nz | vorlon: thanks for your help, sounds like a sound plan. |
| 00:04.28 | gtlarue | alright I am running xcdroast and disregarding the atapi warning |
| 00:04.30 | vorlon | lobo_nz: n/p, cheers |
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| 00:04.35 | gtlarue | we'll see what kind of cd comes out |
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| 00:05.30 | gtlarue | some strange noises, heh |
| 00:05.41 | SDFH_Linux | how i change green_earz? |
| 00:05.43 | greycat | beardy: probably, but the man page short description is " The GNU version of the tar archiving utility" which is still a circular definition |
| 00:05.45 | kbrooks | Where are the header files for Python located? |
| 00:06.20 | gtlarue | yikes, coastered already |
| 00:06.22 | black13 | ethics, atm = at the moment |
| 00:06.26 | gtlarue | so much for that Idea |
| 00:06.50 | ethics | black13, umm yeah hehehe sorry i didnt realise you missed that hehe |
| 00:06.52 | gtlarue | im gonna just switch kernels, this is too much to much with |
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| 00:07.08 | egg | black13: oh ^_^||| |
| 00:07.40 | WiFiTux | heh |
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| 00:09.08 | beardy | greycat: Tar's manpage is not to be used, rtfm ;) (the BUGS section) 'info tar' and that gives you a good description on the first lines, and it is a quite good info document in whole. |
| 00:09.26 | black13 | ethics, sometimes i have been wooped upside the head with acronyms when i say dense things its like a double wammy |
| 00:09.44 | ethics | black13, hehe |
| 00:09.48 | joaopaulo | kernel logs no initialization error messages ? |
| 00:10.00 | kbrooks | Where are the header files for Python located? |
| 00:10.09 | chops | beardy: What's wrong with tar's manpage? It's filled with GNU's hatred for manpages, but I thought it was still accurate. |
| 00:10.11 | kbrooks | Does ANYONE know? |
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| 00:10.42 | kbrooks | I installed python-dev |
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| 00:10.52 | WiFiTux | kbrooks: find / -iname "*python*" |
| 00:11.24 | beardy | chops: Most is probably accurate, maybe yours is updated, I run woody, mine is from 1993. |
| 00:11.25 | tcsetattr | dpkg -L python-dev |
| 00:11.25 | dpkg | ii python-dev 3.1-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 00:11.37 | chops | beardy: Yeah, woody's sucks ass. |
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| 00:11.46 | chops | Since sarge it's okay though. |
| 00:12.16 | black13 | ok etch is is version 3.1 rev 1 |
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| 00:12.23 | WiFiTux | so, being on etch, is being in testing? |
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| 00:12.48 | tcsetattr | etch==testing for the next year or 3 |
| 00:12.50 | greycat | WiFiTux: yes. for now. |
| 00:13.03 | WiFiTux | greycat: why for now? what will it become? |
| 00:13.08 | xiaogil | hi |
| 00:13.22 | beardy | chops: If you want to use tar for more complicated things, different kinds of incremental backups and so on, I don't think you can learn how by only reading the manpage though. |
| 00:13.24 | xiaogil | is there a command like ls that gives a number for each file listed, from 1 to x, or that tells how many files there is in a directory ? |
| 00:13.25 | greycat | WiFiTux: you've been here for like SIX FUCKING YEARS now. Haven't you figured out how it works yet? |
| 00:13.38 | greycat | (or am I mixing him up with one of the other regular morons?) |
| 00:13.54 | WiFiTux | greycat: of course it will become stable. But your "for now" sounded weird |
| 00:14.15 | beardy | chops: So, is the tar manpage updated in sarge? |
| 00:14.18 | chops | beardy: Well, maybe that's why GNU hates manpages so passionately... |
| 00:14.28 | egg | xiaogil: so old...you are |
| 00:14.43 | xiaogil | egg: what ? |
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| 00:14.48 | greycat | xiaogil: which one do you want? pick. |
| 00:14.52 | WiFiTux | greycat: btw, you don't have to scream. |
| 00:14.55 | egg | not to u |
| 00:14.56 | black13 | ethics, so earlier install then move to etch ... |
| 00:14.58 | greycat | xiaogil: counting is the easier one: ls | wc -l |
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| 00:15.09 | egg | to greycat ^_^||| |
| 00:15.10 | chops | beardy: Yeah, it finally summarizes the options accurately (or did some years ago). I should know, I updated it. :-) |
| 00:15.42 | ethics | black13, yah upgrade normally easy downgrade = reinstall |
| 00:16.00 | xiaogil | greycat: thanks! |
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| 00:16.20 | xiaogil | greycat: i want the first too... |
| 00:16.22 | egg | ethics: ? |
| 00:16.24 | greycat | xiaogil: the other one: ls | nl |
| 00:16.32 | initech | why does the FSF hate manpages? afaik they are better than that info crap |
| 00:16.39 | xiaogil | greycat: again, thanks! |
| 00:16.53 | WiFiTux | greycat: hey, is it easy to run Debian on BSD? |
| 00:16.56 | ethics | egg ? ? |
| 00:16.56 | tcsetattr | nl? cat -n not good enough? |
| 00:17.09 | black13 | ethics, thanks and thanks for you patience |
| 00:17.12 | black13 | your |
| 00:17.14 | egg | ethics: 'downgrade' is simple in my sandbox |
| 00:17.21 | greycat | initech: apparently they wanted the hypertext/elegance of texinfo format. no problem there... but they should have written a texinfo->man converter IMMEDIATELY and used "man tar" to format the info page into man page (*roff) format. |
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| 00:18.00 | tcsetattr | emacs people like info. vi people like roff. |
| 00:18.03 | ethics | egg: depends how far away you are...stable and etch isnt too far away yet but the gaps going wider and wider....ie when testing gets xorg/gnome/210 will downgrade work? |
| 00:18.03 | egg | ethics: it can down down to zero |
| 00:18.05 | stephen | suphp isnt working for /home/username/public_html |
| 00:18.09 | greycat | initech: then they could have continued using their crappy emacs thingy to give a hypertext rendition, and when the WWW came out, they should have IMMEDIATELY written a texinfo->HTML converter and SCRAPPED info/emacs. |
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| 00:18.12 | stephen | it only works in /var/www |
| 00:18.21 | stephen | anyone know how to let each user in /home use php? |
| 00:18.27 | egg | ethics: by hand |
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| 00:18.34 | initech | tcsetattr: i am an emacs person, and I personally hate info pages |
| 00:18.42 | initech | and vi! |
| 00:18.59 | ethics | egg hehe apt can't deal |
| 00:19.06 | egg | ethics: at right time .... do right things |
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| 00:19.34 | egg | ethics: oh, sad |
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| 00:20.08 | bigbill52a | time to kill some more bunnies...lol |
| 00:20.36 | initech | bigbill52a: bunnies? http://pixyland.org/peterpan/photo_closeups_buny.htm |
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| 00:20.43 | initech | bigbill52a: kill him! |
| 00:20.45 | egg | bigbill52a: ? |
| 00:20.55 | stephen | anyone any idea ? |
| 00:20.58 | greycat | !blame rabbits |
| 00:21.04 | beardy | chops: Oh :) But still, manpages are good for quick reference, when you know what you should be doing, but can't remember exactly how, and the info document to learn something new if you don't know yet how to do it. At least in tar's case. |
| 00:21.10 | egg | bigbill52a: evil overlord rulrs? |
| 00:21.12 | bigbill52a | just finished another windows reinstallation....virus...spyware ridden... |
| 00:21.25 | egg | s rulrs rules |
| 00:21.34 | greycat | beardy: but that's only because the people who (didn't) write the man pages *chose* to make them suck. |
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| 00:21.46 | bigbill52a | but windows is so easy...yeah sure.... |
| 00:21.57 | greycat | beardy: there's certainly nothing inherent in the format that enforces that. OpenBSD man pages have tutorial-like qualities where it's needed. |
| 00:22.10 | K_Dallas | bigbill52a, spend half that time on learning linux and you would never go back to win |
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| 00:22.41 | WiFiTux | is intel-agp module == # CONFIG_AGP_INTEL is not set ? |
| 00:22.42 | egg | bigbill52a: windows is *not* easy... |
| 00:22.59 | SDFH_Linux | i would take the time to learn linux |
| 00:23.06 | bigbill52a | these are other peoples computers....my business is 80% reinstallation of bill gates nightmare...so killed a few more bunnies |
| 00:23.34 | bigbill52a | use system rescue cd to save documents...etc |
| 00:23.37 | egg | bigbill52a: if you open the windows box ... O_O |
| 00:23.39 | Zrin | how to insure that hdparm settings will survive reboot? |
| 00:23.58 | chops | beardy: Yeah, but that describes me exactly 90% of the time I want documentation for Unix commands. If I want full documentation, I like HOWTOs and web documentation, not texinfo in a wierd nonstandard browser. I agree with greycat; info documents are not to my liking. |
| 00:24.54 | bigbill52a | and why dont they show u what they are doing....windows is starting up...i would rather look at linux starting up...something to see... |
| 00:25.05 | kbrooks | uhhhh |
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| 00:25.21 | giupy_ | hi all |
| 00:25.29 | kbrooks | bigbill52a, u want a splash screen or text? |
| 00:25.33 | greycat | bigbill52a: bored today? why not fix a bug or something. |
| 00:25.35 | giupy_ | does powernowd di all itself ? |
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| 00:25.47 | bigbill52a | fixed a few already..lol... |
| 00:25.49 | giupy_ | does powernowd do all itself ? |
| 00:25.49 | green_earz | Zrin: you need the add the hdparm setup to /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 00:25.52 | giupy_ | sorry |
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| 00:26.51 | bigbill52a | but when you reinstall windows...you deserve every penny you get for the sheer boredom....of restarting the computer for every driver and program that thinks it is realllll important |
| 00:27.16 | shingouz | bigbill52a: all in other words |
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| 00:27.49 | bigbill52a | yeah..fat bloated programs .... |
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| 00:28.07 | bigbill52a | and then when i get done...come in and play on linux... |
| 00:28.18 | xiaogil | How to do so that each time i type ln, it execute ls | nl ? |
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| 00:28.51 | greycat | !wikifaq xiaogil DotFiles |
| 00:28.51 | dpkg | xiaogil: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 00:29.17 | bigbill52a | advertize in the local shoppers and fix computers for a living...worth a try for anyone else out there who isnt working |
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| 00:29.45 | nat^ | i cant seem to get debian to install from the cd, it gets as far as partitioning and then says no useable partitions |
| 00:29.55 | bigbill52a | need a bigger city though...or you wont get enough responses |
| 00:30.04 | nat^ | i have winxp on 1st log partition and another 20 odd gb on another |
| 00:30.08 | nat^ | any ideas ? |
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| 00:30.13 | nat^ | please :) |
| 00:30.20 | furrywolf | !any ideas |
| 00:30.20 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and 42 three-legged dairy cows. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 00:30.34 | kbrooks | i have a......question! |
| 00:30.40 | K_Dallas | that is indeed an IDEA |
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| 00:31.08 | giupy_ | is there an app for wmaker that shows me cpufreq info ? |
| 00:31.11 | furrywolf | make sure you're creating an linux ext2 partition and marking it as bootable? does the automatic partitioning work? |
| 00:31.25 | kbrooks | I want to use SWIG, however, I need to know where the header files are located..... |
| 00:31.26 | nat^ | no, that is whrwe booting from the network cd dies |
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| 00:31.34 | nat^ | just gives me go back as option |
| 00:31.44 | bigbill52a | the linux manual partition program wont it make linux partitions without affecting xp? |
| 00:31.45 | Dimitri | #debian-es |
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| 00:31.53 | paonia | I dist-upgrade my unstable box today and now when I do an startx it compains that both gnome-panel and nautilus quited unexpectadly. I was running kde before the upgrade |
| 00:32.01 | kbrooks | Python.h is missing |
| 00:32.07 | nat^ | i got it dual booting with my desktop nps |
| 00:32.09 | kreg | so uh |
| 00:32.15 | nat^ | but doing the same thing on my laptop wont do it |
| 00:32.21 | kreg | what's the trick to putting a 180gb hard drive in a pc that only detects it as 136gb |
| 00:32.29 | furrywolf | nat^: is there any unpartitioned space on the drive? |
| 00:32.40 | kbrooks | kyle@kyleb:~/projects/swig/python $ find / -name Python.h |
| 00:32.44 | furrywolf | kreg: tell the bios it doesn't exist, and boot off a floppy, cd, or a smaller hard drive. |
| 00:32.47 | kbrooks | nothing there |
| 00:32.52 | shingouz | paonia: you are running sid there, that is the biggest thing. sid is unstable in case you do not know |
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| 00:32.57 | kbrooks | containing Python.h |
| 00:33.00 | furrywolf | and I don't think you can boot a logical partition easily |
| 00:33.04 | nat^ | furry, im in windows atm.. c drive 36gb windows, d drive 22gb empty, ntfs (for now) |
| 00:33.09 | tcsetattr | !find Python.h |
| 00:33.12 | kbrooks | furrywolf, u can |
| 00:33.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Python.h' (5 of 19): (/usr/include/python2.4/Python.h) in python/python2.4-dev ;; (/usr/include/python2.1/Python.h) in python/python2.1-dev ;; (/usr/include/python2.2/Python.h) in python/python2.2-dev ;; (/usr/include/python2.3/Python.h) in python/python2.3-dev ;; (/usr/include/sidl_Python.h) in contrib/libdevel/libsidl-dev. |
| 00:33.21 | kreg | furrywolf, well, it'd be a slave drive. only purpsoe is to use it under a samba file server |
| 00:33.24 | paonia | shin: I know |
| 00:33.28 | furrywolf | nat^: boot the netinst cd, delete the "d" partition, and create a new linux ext2 partition in its place. |
| 00:33.34 | kreg | so there is a working ide master in it for running sarge. |
| 00:34.05 | nat^ | ani can do the ext2 with partition magic now from windows |
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| 00:34.09 | furrywolf | kreg: if it's a slave drive, just tell the bios it's not installed. |
| 00:34.12 | nat^ | and then boot fromthe deb cd? |
| 00:34.14 | furrywolf | bbl |
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| 00:34.22 | kreg | furrywolf, ok |
| 00:34.29 | shingouz | paonia: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 00:34.40 | shingouz | paonia: another thing is that gnome is borked on sid afaik. |
| 00:34.41 | nat^ | it a single drive on my laptop, logically partitioned |
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| 00:35.24 | bigbill52a | i forced windows to install on my sata without using my ide drive...by turning off the bios drives...from auto to none and then setting the boot options to sata and cdrom |
| 00:35.28 | black13 | crud bootscrips ... |
| 00:35.31 | paonia | shingouz: epic which is what I am using does not support tabs btw |
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| 00:35.58 | paonia | shingouz: can you remind me how to force kde (it has been a while) |
| 00:36.12 | indiego | Hola |
| 00:36.22 | shingouz | paonia: startkde? /me does not run either gnome or kde here |
| 00:36.22 | bigbill52a | when i finished...i turned the drives back on and installed linux a couple of times for practice...ubuntu and debian....i am masochistic |
| 00:36.33 | K_Dallas | :) |
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| 00:36.42 | furrywolf | kreg: if the bios tries to probe it, it will probably die... setting it to not installed lets the kernel find it and talk to it intelligently. :) |
| 00:36.44 | beardy | chops: That goes for me too most of the time, and for Unix commands, all (most anyway) have it's own mantained manpage, even if the choosen standard is texinfo. I found the browser a bit strange at first too, but it's not especially hard to use if you just learn the most basic commands to navigate. And, to choose a standard/principle and trying to follow it is better than to not have any standard or principles at all (not directed towards any OS or project |
| 00:36.44 | furrywolf | bbl |
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| 00:37.09 | bigbill52a | ubuntu had too many bugs...so settled on debian...which i have liked since woody |
| 00:37.35 | paonia | shingouz: thanks for the help will see what I can figure out. If I had X it would be easier ;) |
| 00:38.04 | shingouz | paonia: just start the dan thing without gnome if gnome is borked, you should be able to do it if you run sid |
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| 00:38.08 | keir_ | is there any ETA on xorg in debian? (yes, i did /m dpkg xorg) |
| 00:38.23 | SDFH_Linux | if you install gnome can you uninstall all of it if i dont like it? |
| 00:38.51 | bigbill52a | yes..you can uninstall everything...right down to text mode... |
| 00:39.07 | SDFH_Linux | how? |
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| 00:39.35 | bigbill52a | use synaptic |
| 00:39.36 | beardy | chops: I always do 'man foo' first, and if I don't find what I need, 'info foo', and after that, howtos or other documentation. |
| 00:39.41 | bigbill52a | gnome |
| 00:39.48 | bigbill52a | and uncheck all of them |
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| 00:40.20 | bigbill52a | but be sure that you have kdm selected...under kde..so you have a desktop manager |
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| 00:40.37 | exobyte | I have two interfaces. How can I bridge them? |
| 00:40.53 | Blissex | exobyte: do you really want bridging? |
| 00:41.14 | exobyte | Blissex: uhhh |
| 00:41.26 | bigbill52a | but you dont have to uninstall all of the gnome..if you have some programs that you like.. |
| 00:41.26 | exobyte | Blissex: somewhat |
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| 00:41.43 | exobyte | Blissex: I'm really just too lazy to set up nat for 10 minutes |
| 00:41.46 | bigbill52a | i like programs from both |
| 00:41.57 | chops | beardy: To each his own. The existence of info docs doesn't offend me certainly... but the GNU people _refusing_ to provide a man page for tar, because man is evil and we should all be using info, strikes me as 100% retarded. |
| 00:41.59 | Blissex | exobyte: problem is, bridging is a bit of a hassle. |
| 00:42.02 | nat^ | hi again, changing to ext2 didnt work |
| 00:42.07 | Blissex | exobyte: NAT may be easier. |
| 00:42.07 | exobyte | Blissex: hmmm |
| 00:42.16 | nat^ | i get error, 'no partitionable media were found' |
| 00:42.18 | Blissex | exobyte: not because it is really easier, but more familiar. |
| 00:42.21 | exobyte | Blissex: heh, maybe I'll use windwos to bridge it |
| 00:42.25 | Blissex | exobyte: however, look at 'brctl# |
| 00:42.29 | Blissex | exobyte: however, look at 'brctl'. |
| 00:42.47 | exobyte | Blissex: thx. I have a very weird setup |
| 00:43.17 | Blissex | exobyte: there is a nice bridging HOWTO with examples... |
| 00:43.24 | Blissex | google bridging linux brctl |
| 00:43.32 | Blissex | apt google bridging linux brctl |
| 00:44.14 | bigbill52a | just showed one of my customers...my sample computer with linux installed..he liked the desktop, etc |
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| 00:45.25 | kreg | i put in an IDE 180GB drive onto a PIII motherboard. i set the bios to none and am trying to let linux deal with it. it is detected as this. "hdb: _DO _D}8|0NBm5|DMA| l l l l l l l l l l, ATA DISK drive" |
| 00:45.30 | kreg | anyone think that is a problem? |
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| 00:45.49 | Karat3 | hi |
| 00:46.00 | ix | I think that would be a problem, yes. |
| 00:46.08 | Karat3 | what KDE version is available in current stable and what is available in testing? |
| 00:46.11 | portahex | kreg, check the jumpers, and that the cable is the right way up |
| 00:46.21 | portahex | Karat3, 3.3 in both |
| 00:46.49 | comex | whenever I try to add or remove packages, it says "setting up apache", and then fails without any obvious errors. |
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| 00:46.55 | Karat3 | :/ |
| 00:47.01 | nat^ | i get error, 'no partitionable media were found' |
| 00:47.07 | kreg | portahex, okee |
| 00:47.14 | nat^ | is it to do with havinga sata drive maybe? |
| 00:47.17 | comex | The only error is: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 00:47.18 | gteppel | I'm running Debian/sarge and have two nics in my box. In my /etc/network/interfaces file I have eth0 set for dhcp and eth1 set to a static ip address and the gateway for eth1 is the static ip. I'm also running a dhcp server however when I go to start it I get the following error: "No subnet declaration for eth0 (my ip from my isp). Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment to which interface eth0 |
| 00:47.19 | Karat3 | well, what is the difference between 3.4.1 and 3.3? |
| 00:47.42 | gteppel | This box is a gateway/router/dhcp server for my internal lan |
| 00:47.48 | beardy | chops: Yes, it's a bit unecessary to refuse it, I agree. But I can understand why they do it too, the line has to drawn somewhere, though this particular line comes very early.. Well, you said it good, to each his own. |
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| 00:48.02 | Karat3 | is it worth to use debian as a desktop pc os? |
| 00:48.04 | beardy | +be |
| 00:48.15 | dvs | gteppel: How do you know which one is eth0 and eth1? |
| 00:48.21 | portahex | Karat3, works for me, desktopwise |
| 00:48.21 | ix | why shouldn't it be? |
| 00:48.26 | Karat3 | or makes it more sense to use ubuntu or suse? |
| 00:48.29 | beardy | Karat3: Of course it is, why shouldn't it be? |
| 00:48.34 | gteppel | because eth0 gives me a isp ip address |
| 00:48.35 | nat^ | i woudl love to use it like that, but it wont install |
| 00:48.42 | gteppel | so i set eth1 to be my static internal lan |
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| 00:49.07 | Karat3 | because suse and ubuntu claims to install without much user interaction... |
| 00:49.13 | beardy | Karat3: Ceirtanly not. (if you don't know it, you're in #debian) |
| 00:49.22 | Karat3 | i know |
| 00:49.27 | Karat3 | well |
| 00:49.32 | Karat3 | i like debian |
| 00:49.36 | Karat3 | the concept |
| 00:49.43 | Karat3 | and because it is not commercial |
| 00:50.29 | Karat3 | but i also like OS that just install and work. i like my mouse and i like my 19" Monitor in high resolution... |
| 00:50.42 | beardy | Karat3: The "new" installer is very easy and does not need much user interaction at all. So there is no reason NOT to use debian because of it's installer, "anyone" can use it. |
| 00:50.46 | bigbill52a | debian is easier to configure...i can install my video drivers...lxsplit..bcrypt and bcwipe without any problems... |
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| 00:51.47 | Karat3 | i want to do network install.. is it possible to use my t-dsl from the network installer? |
| 00:51.58 | bigbill52a | try doing that with some of the others.... |
| 00:52.16 | gteppel | why would it be trying to run the dhcpd server for eth0 and not eth1?? |
| 00:52.27 | Karat3 | are there any important features in KDE 3.4.1 ? |
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| 00:52.35 | portahex | Karat3, my debian 3.1 system: 3800+ athlon 64, via k8t890 motherboard, sata hard disk, dual layer dvd writer, nvidia geforce 6800gt, 1600x1200 tft |
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| 00:53.00 | kreg | portahex, well, i put it on to the other channel, and that cleared it right up. bios set to none, and linux detected it just fine. thank you |
| 00:53.21 | bigbill52a | portahex are you using amd-64 or 386? |
| 00:53.24 | portahex | kreg, no problem |
| 00:53.25 | SDFH_Linux | is there a good dvd encoder? |
| 00:53.29 | portahex | bigbill52a, amd64 |
| 00:53.30 | beardy | !tell root___ about root |
| 00:54.03 | bigbill52a | i am still waiting for my stuff to be available...but i am quite happy with 386... |
| 00:54.37 | bigbill52a | the only difference is that i have ati 9600xt |
| 00:54.54 | bigbill52a | and have linux on ide an windows on sata |
| 00:55.06 | Karat3 | btw anyone has a cool mouse out of wood :)? |
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| 00:55.17 | portahex | Karat3, those cost a fortune |
| 00:55.23 | portahex | Karat3, i'm happy with my logitech |
| 00:55.29 | bigbill52a | i have a few dead bunnies |
| 00:55.32 | beardy | Karat3: Carve your own? :) |
| 00:55.33 | Karat3 | I have a logitech, too |
| 00:55.37 | Karat3 | MX 700 |
| 00:55.44 | portahex | www.woodcontour.com iirc |
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| 00:56.42 | gteppel | I'm running Debian/sarge and have two nics in my box. In my /etc/network/interfaces file I have eth0 set for dhcp and eth1 set to a static ip address and the gateway for eth1 is the static ip. I'm also running a dhcp server however when I go to start it I get the following error: "No subnet declaration for eth0 (my ip from my isp). Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment to which interface eth0 |
| 00:56.44 | bigbill52a | nice thing about having a business...is that your sample computer must have the latest...lol...another dead bunny |
| 00:57.16 | bigbill52a | all tax deductible... |
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| 00:57.51 | mohohaha | wassup newbies |
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| 00:58.53 | bigbill52a | in december i will build a dual sli with amd 3500 or higher...would love those dual processors..will have to see |
| 00:59.18 | portahex | bigbill52a, sli doesn't work on linux, and is only faster in a few apps. better off with a single geforce 7800 gtx |
| 00:59.33 | xiaogil | Is there an option in wget to not download a file that is already in the current directory ? (i couldn't find such option) |
| 00:59.35 | bigbill52a | thanks for the info... |
| 00:59.45 | portahex | bigbill52a, the top tip from #debian-amd64 is via k8t890, not nforce4 |
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| 01:00.11 | bigbill52a | yeah i figured that on the via... |
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| 01:00.25 | chacho | im havin some problems getting ddclient to work with my netgear router |
| 01:00.34 | jasoncohen | is there a way to tell debian to always install a particular package from the unstable branch? |
| 01:00.48 | portahex | jasoncohen, apt-get install foopackage/unstable |
| 01:00.56 | bigbill52a | i guess get the most expensive single video card that i can afford |
| 01:01.02 | chacho | i think i have all the info right,firewall username and pass and such, but it wont get the ip address |
| 01:01.02 | portahex | jasoncohen, assuming you have unstable and something else sources, with the something else as default |
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| 01:01.24 | mohohaha | dual processor can be slower than single |
| 01:01.33 | portahex | bigbill52a, get an nvidia. unless ati's newest driver is REALLY a big improvement, nvidia can'r be beaten for 3d performance in linux |
| 01:01.39 | lim_x | xiaogil: -nc ? |
| 01:01.40 | jasoncohen | portahex, sorry, i should have been more specific. i mean- to tell debian to always use the unstable version of a certain package when doing an upgrade for example without needing to specify -t unstable or packge/unstable |
| 01:01.49 | bigbill52a | all of my computers have used via chipsets... |
| 01:01.52 | xiaogil | lim_x: ok, thanks |
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| 01:02.19 | portahex | jasoncohen, there's always apt pinning |
| 01:02.22 | jasoncohen | portahex, there ar a few packages like mozilla-firefox, gaim, openoffice.org that i would like to have the newest version of w/o having to check |
| 01:02.30 | SDFH_Linux | guys when they say make sure a copy of a file is in your path |
| 01:02.33 | SDFH_Linux | where is that file? |
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| 01:02.44 | seven_six_two | how do i browse another local pc's shares? they're both linux |
| 01:02.49 | portahex | jasoncohen, once you use -t unstable, it keeps that package as unstable in futrure |
| 01:02.58 | portahex | seven_six_two, nfs, or samba |
| 01:03.15 | bigbill52a | how does my 9600xt compare? 248 fps using the 386 kernel and the latest ati drivers |
| 01:03.18 | jasoncohen | portahex, i thought apt pinning was to a version of a package, not to the release |
| 01:03.29 | seven_six_two | portahex: is nfs a program? i don't know how to use it |
| 01:03.31 | jasoncohen | portahex, yeah- but it only does that until it goes into testing |
| 01:03.32 | portahex | jasoncohen, i think you can do release |
| 01:03.34 | bigbill52a | full screen |
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| 01:03.57 | jasoncohen | portahex, for example, i installed gaim-1.3.1. when gaim 1.3.1 goes into testing in a day or two, it'll be listed as testing |
| 01:03.58 | SDFH_Linux | guys when they say make sure a copy of a file is in your path what file is that? |
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| 01:04.05 | portahex | bigbill52a, glxgears ain't a benchmark. |
| 01:04.13 | portahex | bigbill52a, doom 3 is a benchmark. |
| 01:04.36 | bigbill52a | ok |
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| 01:05.14 | portahex | bigbill52a, assuming windows performance, the 9600xt is about 3x slower than the 6800gt, or 6x slower than the 7800gtx |
| 01:05.30 | bigbill52a | on my windows with xp i get 32000-33000 with amd64 and 9600xt...aquamarks |
| 01:06.09 | beardy | SDFH_Linux: Where the file is, only you can now, or find out. But where it should be put to be in your path is in one of the directories printed when doing 'echo $PATH'. If you know where the file is and don't want to copy or move it somewhere else, run it with its absolute path, '/home/foo/theprogram/startit', or './startit' if it is located in the current directory. |
| 01:06.21 | bigbill52a | amd 64 - 3000 |
| 01:06.28 | jasoncohen | portahex, so i could do package=mozilla-firefox Pin: a=unstable Pin-Priority: 1000 |
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| 01:06.55 | portahex | jasoncohen, i don't know the syntax intimately. try it. |
| 01:07.20 | mborohovski | trave11er: ping |
| 01:07.38 | egg | (fake 64) |
| 01:07.46 | trave11er | mborohovski: pong |
| 01:07.56 | dvs | !ping |
| 01:07.56 | dpkg | pong |
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| 01:08.37 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 01:09.17 | beardy | SDFH_Linux: Which file is it, what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:11.30 | hippi | What program should I use to browse and choice available wireless access points? |
| 01:11.35 | comadreja | hello, I installed 2.6.11 and my laptop's touchpad tapping thing stopped working. How do I solve that ? |
| 01:11.46 | \Igor\ | how do I setup metacity to shade a window if I doubleclick on the title bar? |
| 01:11.54 | comadreja | I already installed synaptics driver, but still doesn't work |
| 01:12.06 | kreg | is it common for dmesg to report hard drives at a larger size than the filesystem? |
| 01:12.19 | deadcat | what clients are available for itunes? i got daapd running on my desktop (= |
| 01:12.27 | \Igor\ | hippi: for the console, try wavemon... lets you look around, but not choose unfortunately |
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| 01:12.58 | shingouz | comadreja: did you go from a 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 01:13.12 | hippi | comadreja: I notised that to when I upgraded to 2.6.10, haven't found a fix :/ |
| 01:13.24 | hippi | \Igor\ : thanks |
| 01:13.29 | SDFH_Linux | trying to get acroread in the path |
| 01:13.49 | SDFH_Linux | so it will open pdf files auto |
| 01:14.14 | greycat | SDFH_Linux: symlink it from /usr/local/bin |
| 01:14.23 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 01:14.32 | beardy | SDFH_Linux: Install a free pdf reader. |
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| 01:15.45 | SDFH_Linux | still no workie |
| 01:16.10 | \Igor\ | SDFH_Linux: explain what you mean by "so it will open pdf files auto" |
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| 01:16.56 | gteppel | I'm ISP is connected to eth0, while I have a static ip set for eth1. In /etc/init.d/dhcp I changed the default interface from eth0 to eth1. However when dhcp starts on bootup it complains about there being no subnet declaration for eth0. Why isn't it starting on the right interface?? |
| 01:17.04 | SDFH_Linux | click on a pdf file browsing on a site and for it to oepn |
| 01:17.06 | comadreja | shingouz : nopes, just upgraded from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11 |
| 01:17.07 | SDFH_Linux | open* |
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| 01:17.16 | gteppel | My ISP |
| 01:17.35 | marcot__ | Hello, I'm having a problem with the printer xerox 4508. Everything I see in the internet sais that it works perfectly. I'm using the hpijs driver and everything happens as if it was working good, but it doesn't print nothing. |
| 01:17.39 | hippi | Humm... wavemon says "Access point list not available", I have a prismII card, I thought they were suppose to be the bees knees! |
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| 01:17.53 | shingouz | comadreja: i think i better shut up in that case, i do not have a lot of experience with the touchpads in anycase; i run thinkpads here |
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| 01:18.08 | scarynetworkguy | marcot__: WTF are you using a HP driver with a Xerox printer? |
| 01:18.19 | comadreja | shingouz : thanks anyway, this thing sucks |
| 01:18.38 | \Igor\ | SDFH_Linux: you need to setup your mailcap to give acroread preference, the debian way is through update-mime |
| 01:18.41 | marcot__ | scarynetworkguy: Because that's the recommended one from cups. |
| 01:18.43 | \Igor\ | SDFH_Linux: man update-mime |
| 01:18.46 | shingouz | comadreja: out of curiosity, what is the sucky thing you have there? |
| 01:19.03 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 01:19.12 | scarynetworkguy | marcot__: And you can't bring a little logic to bear and figure out that that is wrong? |
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| 01:19.21 | portahex | kreg, the kernel reports the disk size in the same format as m,anufacturers, i.e. GB. file systems are measured in GiB. 7.34% smaller. |
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| 01:19.37 | kreg | well that stinks |
| 01:19.40 | kreg | thanks |
| 01:19.54 | keir | reiser4 + debian root partition? |
| 01:19.58 | hippi | comadreja: i think we can narrow this problem down to somthing that happend between 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 |
| 01:20.01 | marcot__ | scarynetworkguy: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Xerox-DocuPrint_4508 |
| 01:20.22 | gteppel | My ISP is connected to eth0, while I have a static ip set for eth1. In /etc/init.d/dhcp I changed the default interface from eth0 to eth1. However when dhcp starts on bootup it complains about there being no subnet declaration for eth0. Why isn't it starting on the right interface?? |
| 01:20.33 | beardy | !repeat |
| 01:20.33 | dpkg | hmm... repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
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| 01:21.14 | marcot__ | scarynetworkguy: thanks for your help. |
| 01:21.44 | comadreja | hippi: I found out |
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| 01:22.08 | siimo | anyone know where i can find that tut that shows how do download a source deb and patch + compile (the one that featured on OSNews) |
| 01:22.28 | kelan | siimo: search osnews? |
| 01:22.32 | comadreja | hippi : http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/files/ |
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| 01:23.22 | mborohovski | trave11er: check pms |
| 01:23.51 | SDFH_Linux | i dont get how to use update-mime |
| 01:24.02 | llx | comadraja: Just caught the end of your msg to hippi? I'm having problems with my touchpad. Could you help? |
| 01:24.14 | siimo | sweet found it |
| 01:24.30 | kbrooks | siimo, link? |
| 01:24.46 | llx | Er, conadreja. |
| 01:24.48 | hippi | comadreja: what is this? a kernel patch? |
| 01:24.58 | siimo | http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 01:25.02 | kbrooks | ok |
| 01:25.04 | kbrooks | ty |
| 01:25.10 | comadreja | hippi nopes, no patch needed for kernel 2.6.11 |
| 01:25.17 | comadreja | just an X11 driver |
| 01:25.26 | hippi | comadreja : ok, thanks :) |
| 01:25.29 | siimo | actually it doesn't covering patching :( |
| 01:25.37 | kreg | anyone have a guess as to why this command is not preserving ownership from ext3 to ext3 ? cp -dpR -v share/ /mnt/hdd1/ |
| 01:25.39 | siimo | but ill google it |
| 01:25.50 | SDFH_Linux | grr acroread still not working |
| 01:26.08 | comadreja | llx : what kind of touch pad ? |
| 01:26.09 | hippi | comadreja: typical, I came here to fix a completele diffrent problem ;) |
| 01:26.36 | liable | marcot__: look in the cups logs for somw clues, you can turn debugging on in the config. |
| 01:26.56 | llx | comadreja: I believe it reported the SynPS/2 type. |
| 01:27.02 | comadreja | hippi : cool, I mean. I hate this things in debian, my wife uses suse and she doesn't have these problems... everything works somehow |
| 01:27.17 | SDFH_Linux | grr acroread still not working |
| 01:27.20 | SDFH_Linux | i dont get how to use update-mime |
| 01:27.26 | marcot__ | liable: I have turned it on, but there's so many messages here that it's becoming unreadable. |
| 01:27.32 | comadreja | llx : then take a look at the synaptic page in freshmeat |
| 01:27.37 | siimo | i really want to recompile nautilus and make fonts readable |
| 01:27.47 | lim_x | SDFH_Linux: what does happen if you click on a pdf? A 'what shall I do with this file' dialog? Can you choose to open it manually? |
| 01:27.57 | SDFH_Linux | nope |
| 01:28.08 | llx | comadreja: Ok, off to look |
| 01:28.08 | SDFH_Linux | i click on a pdf file and it just sits there |
| 01:28.11 | SDFH_Linux | nothing happens |
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| 01:28.45 | hippi | can anyone tell me, do I NEED linux-wlan-ng for normal wireless activitis? |
| 01:28.46 | gteppel | Is there a way to tell apt-get to remove a package and any dependieces of that package if nothing else needs those other packages? |
| 01:28.56 | shingouz | hippi: no you do not |
| 01:29.17 | lim_x | SDFH_Linux: not even 'safe to disk'? run "grep pdf /etc/mailcap" and see if that lists any programs. |
| 01:29.39 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 01:29.41 | llx | comadreja: Ok, what am I actually looking for? |
| 01:29.56 | hippi | shingouz: i can't seem to be able to get a list of access point out of my prismII card :/ any ideas? |
| 01:30.01 | siimo | gteppel, theres this program called deborphan but it isn't very good at it |
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| 01:30.18 | gteppel | ok thanks |
| 01:30.29 | SDFH_Linux | i did that command nothing happened lim_x |
| 01:31.13 | shingouz | hippi: for that i think you do need the wlan-ng or hostap. normal wlan activity for me is getting the connection up and running |
| 01:31.30 | SiMatrix | I am new to linux but need to change the permissions on a system file so I can add an apartment source. How do I run as a superuser with Gnome. If it is terminal window stuff within Gnome that is fine too. |
| 01:31.38 | sean_micken | is there a 'testing' again yet? |
| 01:31.54 | hippi | shingouz: thanks |
| 01:32.19 | shingouz | SiMatrix: apartment source? wtf is that? and *never* change the permissions on system files |
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| 01:32.29 | shingouz | sean_micken: yes, called etch |
| 01:32.42 | lim_x | SDFH_Linux: ok; /etc/mailcap is a list of programs, you want to add another line pointing to where you installed acroread; open /etc/mailcap in an editor (as user; you only want to look at it for now) |
| 01:32.49 | sean_micken | shingouz: so, i can use etch (or testing) in my sources.list file and upgrade to testing from sarge now? |
| 01:32.56 | SiMatrix | shingouz - Well a list of places to get apt s . Sorry I called em apartments :) |
| 01:32.59 | shingouz | sean_micken: why not |
| 01:33.21 | kelan | can debian help me if i ate too much ice cream and get a stomach ache? |
| 01:33.26 | shingouz | SiMatrix: do not come up with odd names for them. and they are debian repositories |
| 01:33.34 | sean_micken | shingouz: about a week or two ago i got 404 errors when doing an apt-get update. |
| 01:33.35 | shingouz | SiMatrix: at least that is what i think you mean |
| 01:33.45 | shingouz | sean_micken: testing security? |
| 01:33.50 | sean_micken | shingouz: yeah. |
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| 01:33.58 | sean_micken | shingouz: is there security updates now for etch? |
| 01:34.02 | shingouz | !tell sean_micken about etch security |
| 01:34.03 | SiMatrix | shingouz - It is all the years of LSD abuse =) |
| 01:34.04 | stupidkid | how do i start application with directfb support? |
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| 01:34.21 | shingouz | SiMatrix: what do you want to add to the sources.list? |
| 01:34.22 | sean_micken | shingouz: thanks. |
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| 01:34.27 | shingouz | sean_micken: np |
| 01:34.42 | sean_micken | shingouz: do you happen to know where i can get ahold of the "mplayer-fonts" package? |
| 01:34.46 | lim_x | SDFH_Linux: read the first to paragraphs and look at some of the lines below; understand that you can create a file in you homedir (.mailcap), you don't need to run the risk of ruining /etc/mailcap trough an error. |
| 01:34.49 | shingouz | !marillat |
| 01:34.49 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 01:34.50 | SiMatrix | shingouz - the latest source for FAI |
| 01:35.00 | lim_x | SDFH_Linux: s/first to/first two/ |
| 01:35.02 | shingouz | SiMatrix: FAI? enlighten me |
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| 01:35.05 | sean_micken | shingouz: doesn't have mplayer-fonts, though. |
| 01:35.06 | SiMatrix | shingouz - the manual says to do it. |
| 01:35.41 | shingouz | SiMatrix: the manual? what manual? |
| 01:35.50 | shingouz | dammit, try to be a bit more vague |
| 01:36.11 | shingouz | sean_micken: about the fonts.. no idea, sorry |
| 01:36.13 | SiMatrix | shingouz - Fully Automated Install. The one at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai |
| 01:36.29 | dvs | !confuse SiMatrix |
| 01:36.30 | dpkg | No, where is their badger yesterday, SiMatrix? pants of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra cream |
| 01:36.31 | sean_micken | shingouz: k. |
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| 01:36.56 | shingouz | SiMatrix: so wtf are you trying to do there? |
| 01:36.57 | SiMatrix | dvs - that would not be hard =) |
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| 01:38.06 | SiMatrix | shingouz - Set up FAI so that a cluster will install automatically with a network boot after merely adding the MAC addresses to a config file :) |
| 01:38.08 | Voodoo-Child | dpkg: However. I also heard that mplayer developers and debian developer don't have a good relationship. |
| 01:38.13 | stupidkid | anyone uses directfb? |
| 01:38.17 | stupidkid | how do i start it please |
| 01:38.22 | llx | comadreja: You still there? I've already worked my way throught most of the info on that page, but I still have questions. |
| 01:38.28 | SiMatrix | shingouz - cool stuff |
| 01:38.32 | stupidkid | i installed libdirectfb-0.9-20 |
| 01:38.37 | stupidkid | and i use grub |
| 01:38.41 | shingouz | SiMatrix: and you do now know how to set up your sources.list? damn, you sure are out of your depth there |
| 01:38.42 | solomonn | ot: i am trying to mirror the contents of http://foo/dir/ and the index page contains links to all kinds of other http://foo/bar type stuff; wget -r tries to get everything on the whole site, is there any way to tell it to only mirror stuff in http://foo/dir/? |
| 01:38.51 | solomonn | that was proably not the most elegant way to state that problem :) |
| 01:38.54 | SiMatrix | shingouz - Yes I do. |
| 01:39.25 | Voodoo-Child | dpkg: I dunnu why, I just read it on a forum months ago |
| 01:39.38 | tcsetattr | solomonn, that's what the wget -np option is for |
| 01:39.39 | shingouz | SiMatrix: lemme give you a couple of hints. you do *not* alter the permissions of system files. ever. man apt-setup should give you the information you need |
| 01:40.15 | initech | solomonn: well, it can't do much else but follow links. |
| 01:40.21 | solomonn | tcsetattr: ah parfect :) i shoudn't have given up on searching the man page for "directory" so quickly |
| 01:40.40 | SiMatrix | shingouz - Ok, I see that is the long way around it. I want to get into the heart of the beast of these files and just directly edit em ;) |
| 01:40.51 | shingouz | SiMatrix: or, you just edit the sources.list, update and start selecting packages. do not come hear crying when you screw up the system(s) there, i have a strange feeling that you are really badly in deep do-do if you start with the clustering at this point |
| 01:41.10 | shingouz | SiMatrix: just do *NOT* change the permissions whatever you do |
| 01:41.19 | SiMatrix | shingouz - Yes sir. |
| 01:41.25 | comadreja | llx: yep sorry |
| 01:41.40 | shingouz | SiMatrix: i hope the systems are not something that are really needed because they will go down with some oddities |
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| 01:43.15 | SiMatrix | shingouz - They are really needed. I do understand that the files should be changes via a resident config mechanism. But can I ask you this. Is your hosts file read only. And did you directly edit it? |
| 01:43.19 | narg | Hrm, my x server is using 500megs total ram -- memory leak? |
| 01:43.21 | SiMatrix | Just curious. |
| 01:44.01 | llx | comadreja: Everything seems to work okay under the installed sarge kernel, but I'm trying to get it to work under a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 01:44.12 | shingouz | SiMatrix: there is something called apt-setup, i do edit them with vi though even if i do not recommend it on the channel |
| 01:45.15 | SiMatrix | shingouz - Right, that was my plan of action. I have a lot of stuff like this I want to do. I also have an alterior motive. I also want to take ownership as the superuser and not make other files editable. |
| 01:45.27 | SiMatrix | superuser that is |
| 01:45.52 | SiMatrix | I don't want users messing with the config after it is set up. |
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| 01:46.02 | shingouz | SiMatrix: want to *take* ownership? you do not have root on the box now? |
| 01:46.11 | gteppel | What is the debian-esque way of starting a firewall script at bootup?? |
| 01:46.57 | greycat | write the script and stick it in an "up" command in the appropriate stanza in interfaces(5) |
| 01:47.15 | SiMatrix | shingouz - Yes I do but the application installs these files so they are practically open to everyone. I want to tweak it so they are not. The application only reads from these files. Anyway. As I mentioned. I am in the deep deeep sea of linux. |
| 01:47.28 | gteppel | greycat: okay thanks |
| 01:47.33 | SiMatrix | ops, typo |
| 01:47.47 | lim_x | SDFH_Linux: so I guess you want to create .mailcap and enter this: "application/pdf; /full/path/to/acroread '%s'" |
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| 01:47.51 | greenhornz | Question: Apache2, PHP, PHP_Postgres, Postgresql installed - keep getting the following error: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: pg_pconnect() |
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| 01:48.13 | comadreja | llx: use 2.6.11 |
| 01:48.38 | shingouz | SiMatrix: i wish you luck with that. before you attempt running a cluster you really should learn how to run a single debian box, helps keeping 100 boxen alive ;) |
| 01:48.41 | SiMatrix | shingouz - thanks for the help. But I do not care how deep I am in. I have to go forward. |
| 01:48.43 | llx | comadreja: Checking what I have... |
| 01:48.47 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 01:48.56 | prahal | greenhornz: well isn t the bug reported against libpq4 ? |
| 01:49.00 | shingouz | SiMatrix: get a industrial size pack of tylenol :D |
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| 01:49.29 | greenhornz | prahal: what's libpq4? |
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| 01:49.33 | SiMatrix | shingouz - heh, yeah. I hear ya. btw I am going to use Gnome Superuser. |
| 01:49.34 | sander | hey.. I got a chroot jail.. and getting this error when I run date: date: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol _errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 01:49.56 | sander | i've tried to copy those two libs into the chroot jail.. but still dosnt work |
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| 01:49.58 | shingouz | SiMatrix: do not speak to me about gnome ;) |
| 01:50.43 | prahal | woaw not even a single warning in upgrade for 3 days ... what a wonderfull world :) |
| 01:50.55 | SDFH_Linux | how do you create a text file on the command line? |
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| 01:51.10 | SiMatrix | Shingouz - I already had to install special ATI drivers. :) |
| 01:51.23 | SiMatrix | Shingouz - that was my first pack of tylenol |
| 01:51.28 | llx | comadreja: I'm using 2.6.8 because it's available in dselect. Any reason I need 2.6.11? I'm a newb, so I'm trying to keep things simple. |
| 01:51.40 | shingouz | SiMatrix: /msg dpkg about nicktab |
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| 01:51.44 | portahex | let's not misuse the term cluster please |
| 01:51.55 | shingouz | SiMatrix: msg dokg nicktab <-- that one |
| 01:52.00 | prahal | greenhornz: gotcha http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313507 there is a workaround |
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| 01:52.12 | shingouz | fsck... /msg dpkg nicktab (damn) |
| 01:52.12 | portahex | if tcp/ip is involved, then you're allowed to call it a farm. leave clustering to those with a real mpi network |
| 01:52.17 | sander | anyone got a clue about what could be wrong?.. |
| 01:52.21 | greenhornz | prahal: ok thx |
| 01:52.28 | comadreja | llx: because 2.6.11 has the alps patch |
| 01:52.29 | sander | date works when i'm not in the chroot'ed jail |
| 01:52.32 | comadreja | gotta go |
| 01:52.40 | shingouz | portahex: yes sir :) |
| 01:52.41 | comadreja | I'll be back later |
| 01:52.41 | lim_x | SDFH_Linux: many ways; you could just use an editor of your choice and 'save as'; or 'touch some_file' or 'echo "bla bla" >some_other_file' or ... |
| 01:52.50 | prahal | sander: hum i guess it s the start of the transition to newest glibc ... you may try installing the glibc from experimental |
| 01:53.03 | prahal | there is another workaround i don't remind |
| 01:53.14 | SiMatrix | shinghoz - what does that do? |
| 01:53.28 | shingouz | !tell SiMatrix about nicktab |
| 01:53.30 | llx | I think the /proc entry or whatever on the troubleshooting page said I had the "other" type. |
| 01:53.35 | shingouz | SiMatrix: helps you to type the nicks |
| 01:53.51 | sander | prahal, why is date working correctly outside the chroot'ed jail then? |
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| 01:54.16 | SiMatrix | shingouz : thanks :) |
| 01:54.18 | prahal | sander: you should ask on #debian-devel and send a bug report |
| 01:54.33 | SiMatrix | shingouz - I am also a new IRC user. |
| 01:54.52 | shingouz | SiMatrix: and a new headache user with the farm you try to set up :p |
| 01:54.57 | sander | prahal, ok.. thanks |
| 01:55.08 | prahal | sander: you means it is a chroot jail using the same underlying binaries ? (i usually use chroot with its own binaries and libs) |
| 01:55.10 | llx | comadreja: I don't think it's an ALPS (see above). |
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| 01:55.41 | SiMatrix | shingouz - It really is not all that hard conceptually to set up. The trick it to set it up to be maintainable. Hence FAI. |
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| 01:56.10 | shingouz | SiMatrix: that is why i mentioned the headache |
| 01:56.17 | prahal | sander: hum a min |
| 01:56.23 | shingouz | there may be some pain in the ass too for that matter |
| 01:56.27 | SiMatrix | shingouz: I have a constant headache as it is. I will be ok :) |
| 01:56.48 | sander | prahal, i'm using some of the dame binaries.. just a few selected ones |
| 01:56.53 | SiMatrix | shingouz: The pain in the ass will come latter. |
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| 01:57.09 | sander | prahal, one of the things I need inside that jail.. is date.. |
| 01:57.27 | prahal | sander: try rm /etc/ld.so.cache then ldconfig before |
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| 01:57.45 | shingouz | SiMatrix: i hope it will not make you look like an ass. /me wanders off to get some caffeine |
| 01:57.47 | powerbook3400c | which version of debiain would I need to get inorder to make it work on a power book 3400 c |
| 01:57.53 | powerbook3400c | which processor architecture? |
| 01:57.59 | portahex | !ppc |
| 01:57.59 | dpkg | ppc is, like, short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 01:58.10 | powerbook3400c | ahh |
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| 01:58.48 | sander | prahal, two sec |
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| 01:59.28 | SiMatrix | shingouz: There are of course many aspects to a cluster setup. I already got the cluster up and running and doing a sample problem. Now I need to make it easier to install. This is on day three now. |
| 01:59.57 | portahex | argh |
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| 02:00.06 | SiMatrix | Debian is obviously very easy to use if I could do that. |
| 02:00.33 | portahex | if it doesn't have infiniband, myrinet, quadrics, dolphin, or score-gige, then please don't call it a cluster ¬_¬ |
| 02:00.47 | lim_x | sander: I just tried it, date works fine; are you sure you have all libs? I copied six; check "ldd /bin/date" |
| 02:00.56 | sander | prahal, all I got up.. was a bunch of msg'es.. like "ldconfig: /lib/libwrap.so.0 is not a symbolic link".. and it still dosnt work |
| 02:01.11 | prahal | by the way /lib/libpthread.so.0 is only a symlink , have you copied /lib/libpthread-0.10.so too ? (you can use ldconfig -vv to see errors) |
| 02:01.38 | wfox | someone here try or use kfreebsd? |
| 02:02.13 | xinming | anyone here can tell me how to prevent the debian to upgrade kernel package while using apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 02:02.24 | xinming | or apt-get upgrade |
| 02:02.35 | wfox | why u don't use synaptic? |
| 02:02.40 | wfox | more easy to control it |
| 02:02.45 | SiMatrix | portahex - It is a very small cluster. Only 6 dual hyperthreaded pentiums. |
| 02:02.59 | portahex | connected to each other by |
| 02:03.04 | wfox | how here know or use KFreeBSD? |
| 02:03.12 | SiMatrix | portahex - A gig switch |
| 02:03.26 | portahex | right. so by crap then. the term is "farm" |
| 02:03.40 | SiMatrix | portahex - OK a server farm :) |
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| 02:04.32 | sander | lim_x, thats most likely something I should check up.. let me see :-) |
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| 02:05.02 | TuxMeister | hy there people |
| 02:05.04 | SiMatrix | portahex - I have a new term a Beocow =) |
| 02:05.11 | SDFH_Linux | anyone using gnome 2.10? |
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| 02:05.27 | jdub_ | what config file is it that points to or tells mepis which sound device to use?? |
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| 02:05.37 | wfox | anyone using KFreeBSD? |
| 02:05.38 | TuxMeister | i'm trying to make work a temperature monitor for my p4 cpu, but way to make that work |
| 02:05.43 | portahex | jdub_, you tell us. this isn't mepis support |
| 02:06.05 | portahex | TuxMeister, apt-get install lm-sensors && sensors-detect && reboot |
| 02:06.08 | jdub_ | yeah but aren't most of the config files in the same dir's? |
| 02:06.20 | portahex | jdub_, you tell us, this isn't mepis support |
| 02:06.23 | jasoncohen | shouldn't Package: gaim* Pin: release o=Debian,a=unstable Pin-Priority: 1000 install gaim-otr from unstable? |
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| 02:06.31 | jasoncohen | even if the default release is testing? |
| 02:06.32 | jdub_ | fuck you port |
| 02:07.01 | SiMatrix | portahex - it is not even using MPI. The app has to be upgraded to use MPI. :( |
| 02:07.13 | wfox | everyone here using Debian GNU/Linux?nobody using other kernel like KFreeBSD? |
| 02:07.18 | bigbill52a | what would cause brief pauses every couple of seconds? |
| 02:07.19 | prahal | sander: well it applies to libwrap too , libwrap.so.0.7.6 is the file which should be copied ... if one cp /lib/libwrap.so.0 (which is a symlink to /lib/libwrap.so.0.7.6) this create a new file called libwrap.so.0 with the content of libwrap.so.0.7.6 . This will not work. One have to copy with "cp -a" and copy the targets of the symlinks too (well usually only copying the target is enough , ldconfig rebuild the symlinks itsel |
| 02:07.20 | jdub_ | ok then. what config file is it in debian that tells it what sound device to use? |
| 02:07.27 | portahex | jdub_, fine. it isn't in a file. mepis uses a proprietary, closed-source application on boot, to determine hardware configuration. |
| 02:07.31 | trave11er | wfox: do you have a question or just conducting a poll? |
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| 02:07.56 | wfox | My god? Debian GNU KFreeBSD...it is debian |
| 02:08.01 | jdub_ | you're a fuckin' iddiot. yeah but there has to be a config file to tell it whice device to use |
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| 02:08.05 | wfox | not freebsd..... |
| 02:08.11 | jdub_ | you mean the only option is auto-config? i fuckin' doubt it |
| 02:08.22 | trave11er | wfox: yes, it's freebsd kernel with debian userspace |
| 02:08.28 | trave11er | wfox: what's so surprising? |
| 02:08.39 | trave11er | there is also a thing with hurd kernel in the works |
| 02:08.47 | wfox | yeah....I use both, linux and kfreebsd |
| 02:08.50 | portahex | jdub_, why are you not asking in #mepis |
| 02:08.56 | trave11er | number of installation have climbed sharply and reached three |
| 02:09.00 | sander | prahal, ok.. thanks. let me try it |
| 02:09.08 | trave11er | err, installations |
| 02:09.08 | nat^ | sorry trav11er, it died again |
| 02:09.16 | trave11er | nat^: how come?? |
| 02:09.20 | nat^ | same place |
| 02:09.20 | initech | jdub_: the only file that tells what audio device to use is /etc/modules |
| 02:09.23 | sen5421 | I have a question... I just upgraded to Sarge and my network configuration is different... eth0 is no longer associated with my VII rhine NIC, now eth1 is, and when I reboot my system the DHCP offer is not received due to the fact that the script is trying eth0 still instead of eth1... what do I do to fix this? |
| 02:09.25 | jdub_ | i did. no answer. it's a fairly simple question. i figured someone out the whole channel could put two seconds of effort in and answer the file for me |
| 02:09.26 | trave11er | nat^: debootstrap? |
| 02:09.27 | kelan | jdub_: the point is this isnt #mepis. we don't know about mepis here. this channel is for debian questions |
| 02:09.27 | wfox | but this morning I got a problem....I don't know why the kernel freebsd don't up more? |
| 02:09.28 | prahal | wfox: you should ask on debian-users@lists.debian.org ... we are only 800 here with i guess 2 hurd users including me ... the 1 kfreebsd user may sleep |
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| 02:09.35 | jdub_ | thank you. was that so fuckin' hard |
| 02:09.35 | portahex | jdub_, you're the one who installed a debian derivative whose main claim to fame is it boots from cd, and autoconfigures |
| 02:09.49 | nat^ | dembootstrap return value2 |
| 02:09.55 | deadcat | whats a good itunes player on linux? |
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| 02:09.58 | initech | jdub_: it doesn't really answer your question, i think |
| 02:10.00 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite jdub_ |
| 02:10.01 | dpkg | jdub_: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker |
| 02:10.07 | portahex | jdub_, i have wasted hours before with this kind of query. it's not a debian question, it's a mepis question. the debian answers simply do not apply. |
| 02:10.16 | trave11er | nat^: start the install and lower debconf priority in the menu |
| 02:10.17 | nat^ | you want the console 3 stuff ? |
| 02:10.25 | sen5421 | I have a question... I just upgraded to Sarge and my network configuration is different... eth0 is no longer associated with my VII rhine NIC, now eth1 is, and when I reboot my system the DHCP offer is not received due to the fact that the script is trying eth0 still instead of eth1... what do I do to fix this? |
| 02:10.32 | trave11er | nat^: it should at some point ask you which distro you want to install |
| 02:10.47 | nat^ | didnt get that far then |
| 02:10.55 | FieldySnuts | jdub_: if it's not 100% debian then this is the wrong channel. some of us are trying to be nice about it, if you want to push it, you'll just piss us off. |
| 02:10.56 | trave11er | nat^: it is pulling in broken debootstrap from sid for you for some reasone |
| 02:11.18 | nat^ | no matching phisacal volumes found ? |
| 02:11.19 | SDFH_Linux | can you start gnome without gdm? |
| 02:11.20 | prahal | trave11er: you are cheating , there are more than 3 DD in the port team :) we are just hiding to take over linux by surprise \o/ |
| 02:11.24 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: not supporting mepis |
| 02:11.24 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support mepis too. Try #mepis or donating money to charity. |
| 02:11.33 | spoopin | sen5421: is another network device detected as eth0? |
| 02:11.52 | prahal | SDFH_Linux: sure , with kdm , wmaker login manager, gnustep one .... |
| 02:11.53 | trave11er | prahal: i was just kidding. kfreebsd is a good option, i think |
| 02:11.54 | jdub_ | hey fuck off |
| 02:11.58 | wfox | ok...i go out....but u need to under that is an official port debian project too.....and I am helping it testing and trying to solution and making how-to |
| 02:12.05 | sen5421 | spoopin, I checked lsmod and I see a eth1394 module used. |
| 02:12.12 | jdub_ | you don't all have to get so offended because i asked a question about a diff distro |
| 02:12.17 | sen5421 | spoopin, I am guessing that got added as eth0 now. |
| 02:12.21 | FieldySnuts | @ops jdub_ being a jerk ( <jdub_> hey fuck off ) after we've tried to tell him this isn't the right channel |
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| 02:12.22 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jdub_ being a jerk ( <jdub_> hey fuck off ) after we've tried to tell him this isn't the right channel |
| 02:12.24 | wfox | Debian isn't just a linux distrko......understand it.... |
| 02:12.29 | portahex | who's getting offended? you're the one telling everyone to fuck off |
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| 02:12.43 | sen5421 | spoopin, is there a test I can do?\ |
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| 02:12.58 | SiMatrix | portahex: I am seting up a Cluster not a Farm. F off |
| 02:12.59 | FieldySnuts | hehe bite me while i'm still here, lost power 10 mins ago, got about 30 left on the UPS |
| 02:13.01 | dondelelcaro | jdub_: this channel is for supporting Debian, not Debian derivied distributions. |
| 02:13.03 | SiMatrix | :P |
| 02:13.03 | trave11er | nat^: so do you get a debootstrap error, or partman error |
| 02:13.18 | spoopin | sen5421: What I'm asking is do you have more than one network card. |
| 02:13.19 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 02:13.26 | nat^ | debootstrap |
| 02:13.28 | sen5421 | spoopin, no |
| 02:13.47 | sander | prahal, nice.. worked.. now I learned something usefull today too:-)) |
| 02:13.47 | jdub_ | i know swearing isn't a way to get help. i came into the channel and asked a simple question and i got attitude |
| 02:13.56 | SDFH_Linux | how about just starting it with the command line only |
| 02:14.01 | spoopin | sen5421: strange. What does /etc/network/interfaces have listed for eth1 |
| 02:14.10 | wfox | ok....now it was clear.....it is not Debian derivied distribuitions.....but could have someone here that are using it....but I see nobody here use other kernel.....just linux |
| 02:14.10 | wfox | no problems |
| 02:14.15 | wfox | thx so much |
| 02:14.23 | sen5421 | spoopin, nothing |
| 02:14.25 | trave11er | no |
| 02:14.27 | trave11er | oops |
| 02:14.33 | portahex | jdub_, no, you didn't. you came in and asked a specific question, which was a) offtopic, and b) answered swiftly |
| 02:14.33 | spoopin | sen5421: is eth0 there? |
| 02:14.34 | deadcat | how do i setup distcc with ssh portforwarding? my friend has distcc running on his server but the port is blocked. i have ssh account on that server. and i try to ssh port forward it. |
| 02:14.35 | dondelelcaro | wfox: no, we have people who use HURD and kFreeBSD. |
| 02:14.35 | FieldySnuts | jdub_: because what you are doing happens here day in and day out: someone joins, asks a question, is told it's the wrong place, and we get attitude. we quickly get pissed. go away. |
| 02:14.39 | sen5421 | spoopin, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 02:15.05 | deadcat | sep: i am using daapd (itunes thing) fuck icecast (= hahah |
| 02:15.06 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: just use /ignore... |
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| 02:15.10 | FieldySnuts | mkay |
| 02:15.11 | SiMatrix | portahex - cool :) Well in a few weeks maybe I can ask you some questions. I am in the read a thousand pages a day mode right now. |
| 02:15.12 | nat^ | trave11er: it ends on Reading all physical volumes, This may take a while |
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| 02:15.13 | wfox | so, how here use KFreeBSD? Could call me on private? |
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| 02:15.23 | FieldySnuts | sigh. must be getting close to sunday. |
| 02:15.23 | spoopin | sen5421: copy that line and 'auto eth0' and change eth0 to eth1. |
| 02:15.27 | prahal | sander: me too , i only knew it could work on paper . now it is added it to my KB :) thanks for the feedback |
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| 02:15.44 | jdub_ | ok well i apologize for my rude and un-called for behavior |
| 02:15.45 | spoopin | sen5421: then ifconfig -a |
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| 02:16.05 | jdub_ | portahex jdub_, you tell us. this isn't mepis support |
| 02:16.10 | spoopin | sen5421: look at 'man interfaces' for more details |
| 02:16.15 | prahal | deadcat: can one store data on the ipod (via debian i mean) ? |
| 02:16.16 | jdub_ | and actually that was the first respone i received |
| 02:16.28 | trave11er | nat^: i don't get it |
| 02:16.35 | trave11er | is it before or after partitioning? |
| 02:16.37 | deadcat | prahal: ya. gtkpod |
| 02:16.41 | joaopaulo | anybody using ATI MOBILITY P/M AGP 2x on xfree86 ? |
| 02:16.49 | nat^ | after |
| 02:16.51 | sen5421 | spoopin, indeed eth0 is showing up after ifconfig -a |
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| 02:17.15 | sen5421 | spoopin, I had to 'dhclient eth1' after reboot |
| 02:17.16 | nat^ | console 3 finishes on that reading all physical volumes |
| 02:17.37 | spoopin | sen5421: the 'auto eth1' should take care of that problem |
| 02:17.38 | nat^ | and 4 finishes on running 40netcfg |
| 02:17.45 | SiMatrix | portahex: btw the "stuff" will be exposed as a web service so that VB.NEt developers can consume it as a service. So IIS will be the from end to the cluster :) |
| 02:17.46 | SiMatrix | hehe |
| 02:17.49 | nat^ | its a sata drive |
| 02:18.02 | prahal | joaopaulo: what is the issue ? (and no though i may be able to tell if it s supported ) |
| 02:18.08 | spoopin | sen5421: what does /sbin/ifconfig eth0 say, out of curiosity? |
| 02:18.16 | jasoncohen | this is weird, if i use Package: gaim* in /etc/preferences it'll install gaim-otr from testing ignoring my Pin of unstable but if i manually specify gaim-otr it works. doesn't gaim* include gaim-otr? |
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| 02:18.31 | prahal | joaopaulo: for example by doing "bts bugs xserver-xfree86" and searching for "ati mobility" |
| 02:18.31 | portahex | jdub_, every debian derrived distribution breaks something in subtle ways, such that the answers we give don't apply, wasting everyone's time. inm mepis's case, it's the hardware detection. if you want to try & hack around mepis's hardware detection, audio devices are assigned based on the order the modules are loaded. however, i don;t know to what extent m epis's harwdare detector passes that info on to kde's artsd, if at all. these are all un |
| 02:18.31 | portahex | known quantities, because this is not debian, and nobnody here is intimate enough with $not_debian to knwo the exact specifics |
| 02:18.36 | sen5421 | spoopin, Link encap:UNSPEC |
| 02:18.36 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.37 | deadcat | prahal: oh. data on ipod. (=. i am pretty sure you can. but i dont have an ipod so not really sure. |
| 02:18.40 | trave11er | nat^: debootstrap starts _after_ the partitioning |
| 02:18.48 | portahex | deadcat, it's a fat32 drive. |
| 02:18.52 | trave11er | nat^: did you get through partitioning step? |
| 02:18.54 | joaopaulo | prahal: need to use TV out fuction, but with the generic driver that don't stay nice |
| 02:19.00 | sen5421 | eth0 Link encap:UNSPEC |
| 02:19.02 | deadcat | portahex: cool. someday i will own one. but not now. hehe. |
| 02:19.05 | nat^ | trave11er:yup ok, and it partitioned fine it seems |
| 02:19.06 | SiMatrix | portahex: How do most Debian people feel about IIS or Websphers? |
| 02:19.07 | jdub_ | i understand everyone's frustration. i assumed that since mepis was a dirrivative of debian that the config files would be the same. maybe i assumed wrong. for that i aplogize. but simply tell me i'm wrong or point me in the right direction. don't give me attitude |
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| 02:19.14 | trave11er | nat^: that's good |
| 02:19.15 | spoopin | sen5421: well I've never seen anything like that. weird. |
| 02:19.19 | nat^ | dual booting with windows |
| 02:19.31 | portahex | SiMatrix, i think "non-free junk" is the general feeling |
| 02:19.45 | trave11er | so the problem is that it uses broken sid's debootstrap |
| 02:19.48 | jdub_ | ok well thanks for taking you're time to answer my question. i appreciate it |
| 02:19.49 | jasoncohen | anyone here using pinning in /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 02:19.56 | portahex | jdub_, i told you were wrong, and got abuse. now you have some avenues to try & work it out yourself with, since your distro can't support its users |
| 02:19.59 | SiMatrix | portahex: Yes that would be the attitude, but is it supported by reality :) |
| 02:20.00 | sen5421 | spoopin, I have little time for this issue... I am going to change the /etc/network/interfaces file to auto eth1 instead of eth0... that is good for now. |
| 02:20.13 | nat^ | windows on #1 primary root on #2 primary swap on #5 logical |
| 02:20.19 | spoopin | sen5421: That should work. |
| 02:20.27 | portahex | SiMatrix, more of the web runs apache than iis |
| 02:20.29 | sen5421 | peace |
| 02:20.32 | spoopin | jasoncohen: I am |
| 02:20.54 | jasoncohen | snoopin: do you use wildcards in your pins? |
| 02:21.07 | prahal | joaopaulo: tv out is patent encombered though if you have hours to patch xfree86 with the "gatos" driver and build the whole thing it will work ... or you could use "mplayer" vidix driver to get tv out . Or look at xorg if they have merge the gatos driver (though i don't expect the merge to be fulfilled yet) |
| 02:21.08 | SiMatrix | portahex: True, I may run web services on apache, dunno yet. |
| 02:21.14 | jasoncohen | i don't understand why a wildcard isn't working for the Package name |
| 02:21.31 | spoopin | jasoncohen: yes, but I consider it to be a bit of black magic |
| 02:21.52 | prahal | joaopaulo: is your card supported by the ati proprietary driver ? it is the way to go if you can |
| 02:22.02 | trave11er | nat^: ok, here's what i want you to do |
| 02:22.09 | trave11er | nat^: start the installation |
| 02:22.10 | portahex | SiMatrix, replacing a scheduler like gridengine, torque, globus or pvm with a web service is certainly an interesting concept |
| 02:22.23 | nat^ | ok doing so now |
| 02:22.33 | trave11er | nat^: from the first screen which has 'back' button, press it |
| 02:22.38 | trave11er | you'll go to make menu |
| 02:22.42 | trave11er | err, main menu |
| 02:22.45 | jasoncohen | snoopin: can you show me your /etc/apt/preferences file? i have Package: gaim* and it won't install gaim-otr from unstable but Package: gaim-otr does which makes no sense |
| 02:22.55 | spoopin | jasoncohen: did you read this? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin |
| 02:22.57 | trave11er | nat^: there choose 'lower debconf priority' and set it to low |
| 02:23.00 | nat^ | ok just amo |
| 02:23.06 | trave11er | nat^: then continue the installation |
| 02:23.08 | lim_x | jasoncohen: like "apt-get install foo*" ? because the * is replaced (by bash) before given to apt-get. so "ls *" shows everything; you want "apt-get install foo\*" |
| 02:23.27 | trave11er | nat^: i _hope_ that at some point it will ask you which distribution you want to install |
| 02:23.38 | trave11er | and you should answer 'sarge' or 'stable' |
| 02:23.44 | jdub_ | does debian just as well as mepis with hardware support? or does mepis support diff hardware than debian? |
| 02:24.05 | prahal | jdub_: nope especially config files . even going from knoppix to debian is a mess |
| 02:24.16 | portahex | jdub_, which version of mepis? |
| 02:24.26 | jdub_ | 3.3.1 |
| 02:24.28 | nat^ | well its not doign sod all atm |
| 02:24.38 | prahal | though it may improve when improvment to autodetection get in debian and mepis and al removes their hacks |
| 02:24.38 | nat^ | wont boot from cd or hd |
| 02:24.45 | jdub_ | it's just the first debian based distro i've tried. but i would be more than willing to install debian |
| 02:24.53 | jdub_ | i just installed mepis first and it works |
| 02:25.17 | jasoncohen | lim_x, so Package: gaim\* ? |
| 02:25.25 | trave11er | nat^: bah |
| 02:25.29 | trave11er | nat^: what happened? |
| 02:25.38 | jdub_ | so is it substantially more difficult to configure hardware in debian is basically what i'm asking? |
| 02:25.41 | spoopin | jasoncohen: I'm using wildcards in the Pin: line for version control, not in the Package: line |
| 02:25.42 | portahex | jdub_, it has slightly better support for some core hardware, notably the intel ich6 southbridge |
| 02:25.43 | prahal | well that s the point of the derivatives ... they are free to do short sighted hacks and wait for debian to do the "hard" works (though they help by trying new things) |
| 02:25.48 | nat^ | erm dunno, all i am gettign is a flashing single cursor :( ! |
| 02:26.05 | portahex | jdub_, by force of the 2.6.10 kernel (debian has 2.6.8) |
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| 02:26.31 | lim_x | jasoncohen: don't know, never tried that; I was telling you why it didn't work... run "echo apt-get install gaim*" to understand what you asked for (and you will understand why it didn't work) |
| 02:26.54 | nat^ | fuck this doesnt look good at all |
| 02:27.09 | nat^ | nothign happenign at all |
| 02:27.16 | nat^ | power is on , noone home |
| 02:27.27 | trave11er | nat^: dude. whatever you did could not kill the machine |
| 02:27.53 | nat^ | well gone into bios set to boot from hdd |
| 02:27.54 | trave11er | nat^: pull the battery and power cord out, let it sit for a couple of minutes like that |
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| 02:29.12 | jasoncohen | lim_x, apt-get install gaim* works |
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| 02:29.29 | nine0oneA | May I ask why tor users are automatically banned? |
| 02:29.56 | elkid | were u banned? |
| 02:30.05 | nine0oneA | me and another guy named vladster from #justlinux |
| 02:30.17 | lim_x | jasoncohen: good; thanks for telling |
| 02:30.35 | dondelelcaro | nine0oneA: because tor has often been abused, and it's often the only way to deal with the problem.s |
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| 02:30.53 | nine0oneA | dondelelcaro: oh I see |
| 02:30.56 | dondelelcaro | nine0oneA: for many channels, +e's can be arranged to exempt specific tor users from the bans. |
| 02:31.02 | portahex | nine0oneA, a huge percentage of spambots come from tor. |
| 02:31.10 | nine0oneA | oh that's horrible : / |
| 02:31.20 | nine0oneA | I'm guessing so that they cannot be banned? |
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| 02:31.36 | portahex | nine0oneA, i think you're the second genuine tor user to complain, this year, since the ban was imposed |
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| 02:31.53 | nine0oneA | Oh I'm not complaining because I knew it'd be for a good reason |
| 02:31.53 | FieldySnuts | i can be the third. |
| 02:31.54 | nat^ | ok back in business |
| 02:31.54 | dondelelcaro | well, #debian doesn't currently ban them... but we have in the past |
| 02:32.02 | nat^ | still hdd wont boot.. |
| 02:32.13 | nine0oneA | 21:32 -!- Irssi: You are now talking in #debian |
| 02:32.13 | nine0oneA | 21:32 -!- Cannot join to channel #debian (You are banned) |
| 02:32.16 | FieldySnuts | those gn_aa morons abuse it |
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| 02:32.35 | debhead | I have a small question, How come you do not accept tor clients on this channel |
| 02:32.37 | dondelelcaro | oh, nope... we're banning it again. |
| 02:32.45 | nine0oneA | debhead: that was mentioned above |
| 02:32.56 | FieldySnuts | because tor is more often abused than used legitimately on IRC |
| 02:33.06 | portahex | greycat on jun 6th? |
| 02:33.18 | FieldySnuts | blame the kiddies. not the ops and what they had to do to protect the channel |
| 02:33.25 | agabus | could someone please send me a fresh 'sources.list' file for debian testing please? |
| 02:33.25 | nine0oneA | FieldySnuts: understandable |
| 02:33.28 | debhead | the problem is if my boss finds out I am using linux, I am fired |
| 02:33.36 | dondelelcaro | agabus: just run apt-source; |
| 02:33.39 | FieldySnuts | nice morals. |
| 02:33.44 | portahex | debhead, any particular reason? |
| 02:33.50 | dondelelcaro | agabus: rrr... apt-config; |
| 02:33.50 | FieldySnuts | (on your part) |
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| 02:34.00 | lim_x | nine0oneA, portahex: ok, let me be number three; got a 'tor users are banned' warning, too; fortunately I can disable tor AND get a new ip; some people won't... |
| 02:34.08 | agabus | dondelelcaro - umm don't know what that does, but ill try it |
| 02:34.09 | debhead | He signed an agreement with M$ for a discount license |
| 02:34.30 | FieldySnuts | not the type of company i'd wanna be working for but that's just me |
| 02:34.37 | debhead | part of that agreement is that we must use it at home as well |
| 02:34.38 | portahex | no, i agree with FieldySnuts |
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| 02:34.52 | portahex | i'm not sure that kind of thing is even legal in countries with antitrust laws |
| 02:35.03 | FieldySnuts | i can run whatever the hell I want on my desktop at work, and I also take care of the linux servers. i'd change jobs if i was forced to run windows on my desktop |
| 02:35.34 | FieldySnuts | because I can't get shit done in it, mainly, but also because I dislike it |
| 02:35.36 | SiMatrix | portahex: I should have known. gnomesu |
| 02:35.43 | debhead | I agree so I run xpde at work with a silent boot menu |
| 02:35.47 | dondelelcaro | agabus: actually, nevermind. It's apt-setup that I'm thinking of... too many apt-* on the brain. Run it, then s/stable/testing/; |
| 02:36.07 | SDFH_Linux | debhead is there a apt-get repository with xpde? |
| 02:36.10 | debhead | I run it off of a usb hard disk |
| 02:36.25 | debhead | I had to compile it myself |
| 02:36.28 | agabus | dondelelcaro - i tried running 'apt-setup' from the terminal, but command not found. |
| 02:36.32 | SDFH_Linux | doh |
| 02:36.44 | portahex | windows may indirectly help me secure my job - the uni want us to charge users per CPU hour because it's a "user-specific" service we offer, yet my dept pays towards windows & antivirus site licenses. we'll insist either we are also a site service, or they have to charge windows per-user |
| 02:36.45 | dondelelcaro | agabus: install base-config; then run apt-setup; |
| 02:36.51 | SDFH_Linux | so no apt-get repository |
| 02:37.09 | debhead | It is treading a very fine legal line |
| 02:37.20 | joaopaulo | prahal: thanks to mutch for your help |
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| 02:37.27 | jdub_ | i would get a new job too |
| 02:37.33 | jdub_ | that's rediculous |
| 02:37.36 | nat^ | trav11er: it was already on low |
| 02:37.39 | nine0oneA | well guys thanks for the comments. good day |
| 02:37.40 | debhead | using it in the US could get a little sticky |
| 02:37.42 | FieldySnuts | i've left over crap like that, i won't take it |
| 02:38.02 | trave11er | nat^: ok |
| 02:38.13 | nat^ | aha ok |
| 02:38.14 | trave11er | nat^: and it nowhere asks you about the distro to install? |
| 02:38.18 | portahex | i don't see why a UNIX HPC facility should be charged for windows & sophos site licenses, yet be told they can't apply the same model themselves, because people in the english dept might not use the facility |
| 02:38.19 | debhead | especially since I got firefox and thunderbird to look ike IE and outlook |
| 02:38.21 | nat^ | asking for stable, testing, unstable |
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| 02:38.56 | debhead | an admin looking at my screen could not tell the difference |
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| 02:39.14 | leandrocf | i have my sound working perfectly in 2.6.9 but in 2.6.12 I load the module, but when i play a music i dont get any sound |
| 02:39.14 | jdub_ | lol. that's funny |
| 02:39.14 | FieldySnuts | very very poor admin, then |
| 02:39.16 | agabus | dondelelcaro - i have base-config installed. but for 'apt-setup' command not found. |
| 02:39.23 | trave11er | nat^: yay |
| 02:39.27 | trave11er | nat^: choose stable |
| 02:39.27 | portahex | agabus, as root? |
| 02:39.33 | debhead | Samba is configured with jamba for the .net domain logins |
| 02:39.35 | silverton | how would I set up the /etc/network/interfaces file for a device I want to share the netconnection from eth0? so far, I have address, netmask, network, and broadcast filled out |
| 02:39.44 | agabus | portahex - aha :) |
| 02:39.50 | nat^ | ok partitioning now |
| 02:39.53 | FieldySnuts | bleh 5 minutes left on ups |
| 02:40.03 | portahex | 2:16 left on laptop battery |
| 02:40.04 | silverton | FieldySnuts, :( |
| 02:40.09 | portahex | i wuv centrino |
| 02:40.12 | agabus | should it make a difference on http or ftp for apt sources? |
| 02:40.22 | SiMatrix | What editor should I use to edit system files with? :) |
| 02:40.27 | FieldySnuts | there was a large explosion in the distance, that's when it went out, then a few minutes later it happened again, it's since happened again |
| 02:40.27 | debhead | I am flying below the network os detection radar basically |
| 02:40.31 | nat^ | well its at the point it died on last time |
| 02:40.36 | portahex | SiMatrix, nano is easy & innofensive |
| 02:40.38 | FieldySnuts | bloody war zone i swear (not litrally) |
| 02:40.48 | debhead | They are still curious why I never crashed yet |
| 02:40.51 | jdub_ | portahex: how long does your battery last fully charged? |
| 02:40.54 | nat^ | trave11er: death |
| 02:40.54 | silverton | FieldySnuts, haha, is it hot where you live right now? |
| 02:41.04 | nat^ | debootsrap |
| 02:41.06 | SiMatrix | portahex: I really appreciate the advice. Thanks. |
| 02:41.06 | silverton | that's when I transformers go "boom" |
| 02:41.09 | portahex | jdub_, about 4 hours, for general web surfing & irc over wireless |
| 02:41.11 | silverton | s/I/our/; |
| 02:41.14 | trave11er | nat^: suckage |
| 02:41.20 | nat^ | yup |
| 02:41.23 | jdub_ | right on |
| 02:41.32 | trave11er | nat^: start a shell |
| 02:41.41 | nat^ | same old No volume groups found |
| 02:41.48 | jasoncohen | heh, this would be a bad time to switch to sid i take it? |
| 02:41.49 | nat^ | Reading all physical volumes |
| 02:41.50 | trave11er | nat^: that's irrelevant |
| 02:41.55 | nat^ | ok |
| 02:42.01 | trave11er | type wget there |
| 02:42.04 | trave11er | does it work? |
| 02:42.33 | portahex | jdub_, that's subject to change though. battery life remainaing varies by system load. high load, cpu kicks into full speed, eats more battry |
| 02:42.37 | jasoncohen | what do sid users do in times like these when major packages are shifting? |
| 02:42.38 | nat^ | no, but there is another console on 2 |
| 02:42.58 | nat^ | can do it on console 2 |
| 02:43.04 | trave11er | ok |
| 02:43.06 | trave11er | hang on |
| 02:43.16 | deadcat | haha. whats /var/cache/modass? (= |
| 02:43.21 | portahex | jasoncohen, say "man, why didn't i listn wehn people told me not to use sid :/" |
| 02:43.43 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 02:43.52 | jdub_ | yeah for sure... i have an hp laptop running amd and it has 3.5 hrs fully charged. but i don't use wireless with it. in fact i don't use it that often at all |
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| 02:44.13 | deadcat | jasoncohen: cus you're a rebel? (= |
| 02:44.21 | jdub_ | i'm sure it would run out a lot sooner if i was really running it |
| 02:44.29 | jasoncohen | portahex, but doesn't using a bit of common sense keep you relatively safe? i mean- why would people have tried to install gnome when 1/2 of its dependencies were unfullfilled? |
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| 02:44.41 | sen5421 | spoopin, I fixed part of my problem by changing my /etc/network/interfaces setup but that now breaks something else... |
| 02:44.44 | FieldySnuts | !blame sid users |
| 02:44.53 | FieldySnuts | haha! randomly picked toresbe ! |
| 02:44.58 | sen5421 | spoopin, I really need to get eth0 linked back to my NIC |
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| 02:45.21 | portahex | jasoncohen, because people blindly dist-upgrade, then only check once the shit hits the fan |
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| 02:45.40 | trave11er | nat^: run: |
| 02:45.45 | trave11er | wget ftp://archive.progeny.com/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap-udeb_0.2.45-0.2_i386.udeb |
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| 02:46.11 | FieldySnuts | what the heck is a udeb |
| 02:46.14 | jasoncohen | portahex, does the dist-upgrade even work with so many missing deps? |
| 02:46.24 | portahex | jasoncohen, it gets partway & breaks |
| 02:46.26 | tdonahue | hi all, anyone know of a good DVD collection manager similar to Alexandria does for books? |
| 02:46.29 | portahex | FieldySnuts, d-i module |
| 02:46.31 | trave11er | FieldySnuts: it's a micro-deb used by the installer |
| 02:46.50 | bluefox83 | how do i configure debian to use a particular machine as a gateway? |
| 02:46.57 | jasoncohen | portahex, does apt-get warn you about the missing deps? |
| 02:47.16 | bluefox83 | specifically, i want to make the machine i am on *now* as a gateway |
| 02:47.17 | john | when is "testing/etch" slated to get an apt-get repository? |
| 02:47.21 | bluefox83 | for my ps2 ^_^ |
| 02:47.31 | jasoncohen | bluefox83, use a static ip and specify the gateway and ip |
| 02:47.48 | jasoncohen | joh_, what do you mean? |
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| 02:47.54 | mborohovski2 | trave11er; ping |
| 02:47.56 | nat^ | trav11er: ok now.. |
| 02:47.58 | jasoncohen | there's already an etch/testing repository |
| 02:48.01 | portahex | jasoncohen, it shouldn't get into a completely broken state - at worst, it'll remove a bunch of stuff (and it's the user's fault for saying yes to the confirmation screen) |
| 02:48.04 | bluefox83 | jasoncohen, no no..i want this machine to act as a gateway..how do i make it do that? i've already installed the second network card.. |
| 02:48.11 | trave11er | mborohovski2: debootstrap failed, i know |
| 02:48.19 | jasoncohen | bluefox83, oh, i misunderstood you |
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| 02:48.25 | trave11er | nat^: did you get the udeb? |
| 02:48.30 | FieldySnuts | power back woo |
| 02:48.35 | nat^ | yup |
| 02:48.40 | bluefox83 | jasoncohen, i know you did, that's why i re-stated my problem |
| 02:48.52 | trave11er | nat^: run: udpkg -i debootstrap-udeb_0.2.45-0.2_i386.udeb |
| 02:48.55 | jasoncohen | portahex, so, it's user stupidity that causes the problems? |
| 02:48.57 | nat^ | 51840 |
| 02:49.01 | nat^ | bytes |
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| 02:49.06 | xiaogil | I know that's it's possible to have viariables in a script for the terminal (like for i in `seq 1 5`; do echo $i; done), but is it possible to have an array variable ? |
| 02:49.10 | trave11er | nat did it install? |
| 02:49.13 | jasoncohen | why would someone do an upgrade when it shows a bunch of packages will be removed..that's just dumb |
| 02:49.25 | TuxMeister | hey guys, what was the name of that asus specific kernel module? |
| 02:49.30 | bluefox83 | i just remember there being something in the installer asking if this machine was going to be used as a gateway, and back then it wasn't so i didn't select that.. |
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| 02:49.41 | nat^ | it gave an ETA and then said 100% |
| 02:49.52 | bluefox83 | now i don't remember how to set it up as a gateway |
| 02:49.53 | trave11er | nat^: returned to the shell? |
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| 02:49.59 | trave11er | nat^: or still doing something? |
| 02:50.01 | mborohovski2 | trave11er: huh/ |
| 02:50.10 | nat^ | back to the ~ # prompt |
| 02:50.11 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: just install firewall software, iptables, a caching dns server, and dhcpd. |
| 02:50.14 | portahex | jasoncohen, usually |
| 02:50.18 | trave11er | mborohovski2: debootstrap failed for you, no? :-) |
| 02:50.32 | lim_x | bluefox83: basically you have to enable routing by: echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 02:50.37 | mborohovski2 | trave11er: i havent tried, i was wondering if there was an iso similar to it, but with pppoe (for my bro-in-law's adsl)? |
| 02:50.49 | mborohovski2 | trave11er: why, should it fail? :p :( |
| 02:50.55 | trave11er | nat^: now exit the shell, partition once again and rerun base install (while holding your fingers crossed) |
| 02:51.04 | trave11er | mborohovski2: it fails for nat^ :-) |
| 02:51.08 | bluefox83 | lim_x, basically? |
| 02:51.13 | trave11er | mborohovski2: he's in the same boat as you |
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| 02:51.19 | nat^ | actually type exit, or just flick back to console 1 |
| 02:51.20 | mborohovski2 | trave11er: same lappy? |
| 02:51.29 | trave11er | mborohovski2: same sata crap |
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| 02:51.36 | mborohovski2 | and, is there an iso with pppoe? or can you make one? :p |
| 02:51.51 | trave11er | mborohovski2: sorry, ppoe is not supported on any media |
| 02:52.05 | bluefox83 | isn't there something i can run, like dpkg-reconfigure networking or something/ |
| 02:52.06 | bluefox83 | ? |
| 02:52.11 | trave11er | nat^: switch to 1 i guess |
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| 02:52.18 | nat^ | ok partitioning again |
| 02:52.28 | lim_x | bluefox83: that is 'the linux way', there certainly is 'a debian way', but I can't remember. just a moment |
| 02:52.32 | mborohovski2 | well i mean i know one of the other installers supports pppoe |
| 02:52.40 | jasoncohen | portahex, do you use sid? |
| 02:52.46 | trave11er | mborohovski2: hmmm, that's new to me |
| 02:52.47 | FieldySnuts | !lart PPPo* |
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| 02:53.05 | trave11er | mborohovski2: maybe i'm confusing it with something else |
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| 02:53.21 | nat^ | fuckit |
| 02:53.28 | nat^ | guess what.. |
| 02:53.29 | mborohovski2 | Network configuration is not automatic for machines using PPPoE for their ADSL connection. It it possible to setup an ADSL/PPPoE connection with the Debian-Installer but there isn't any menu item for it in the installer yet. This will be addressed soon. In the meanwhile the workaround is, at the beginning of the second phase (after the reboot done by the installer), to switch to a virtual console (Ctrl-Alt-Functionkey) a |
| 02:53.47 | nevyn | ewww. |
| 02:53.55 | trave11er | mborohovski2: wow |
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| 02:54.24 | trave11er | nat^: ? |
| 02:54.33 | lim_x | bluefox83: edit /etc/network/options, you'll see what; then "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 02:54.36 | nat^ | erm deboostrap again im afraid |
| 02:54.39 | TuxMeister | can anybody try to answer me? |
| 02:54.39 | mborohovski2 | from the debuian wiki |
| 02:54.40 | portahex | jasoncohen, no, i use a sarge/sid mix (kernel image from sid, a few other bits & bobs) |
| 02:54.40 | TuxMeister | hey guys, what was the name of that asus specific kernel module? |
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| 02:55.21 | trave11er | nat^: do you get anything else besides the error? |
| 02:55.23 | tdonahue | no one here uses any type of collection manager for their dvd's? |
| 02:55.30 | nat^ | trav11er: else ?! |
| 02:55.31 | trave11er | nat^: try different mirror or something |
| 02:55.33 | jasoncohen | portahex, i use sarge on my mythtv backend/file server/printer server and i basically let it run and forget about it. i haven't had a problem yet. it just runs reliably. |
| 02:55.35 | nat^ | ok |
| 02:55.40 | llx | comadreja, hello? |
| 02:55.47 | trave11er | nat^: i am running out of ideas here |
| 02:55.48 | bluefox83 | lim_x, don't i have to tell it what network card to use? |
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| 02:55.57 | nat^ | nope |
| 02:56.02 | jasoncohen | portahex, i'm currently using testing on my laptop but i'm always worried i'm not getting security updates. |
| 02:56.16 | nat^ | cant i get afew more bits via the console 2 ? |
| 02:56.19 | nat^ | or something.. |
| 02:56.30 | trave11er | nat^: yeah, it should be in the logs somewhere |
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| 02:56.39 | nat^ | is this to do with my sata laptop or the networkyness of it |
| 02:56.40 | mborohovski2 | trave11er: so the mini-iso doesnt work? |
| 02:56.40 | jasoncohen | portahex, so i check for new versions of packages i use and install them from unstable to make sure i get security updates...too bad testing still has no security support |
| 02:56.51 | caju | how to hidden banner of exim? |
| 02:56.52 | mborohovski2 | nat^: what laptop are you trying? |
| 02:57.03 | trave11er | mborohovski2: apparently, debootstrap bombs out due to unknow reason |
| 02:57.03 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: I feel so LUCKY |
| 02:57.07 | nat^ | vaio s3vp |
| 02:57.17 | silverton | dhpcd is throwing a "option name-servers" doesn't exist error, anyone know how to fix it? |
| 02:57.40 | netcat | TuxMeister: I just went over to www.google.com/linux and typed in "asus kernel module" and it came back with a number of hits. Don't know if it shows what you want... |
| 02:57.50 | bob2 | silverton: use dhcp3-server |
| 02:57.59 | lim_x | bluefox83: nope, that is the general "on" switch; if you want/need specific settings, you can "echo 1" into files in the proc path (per device); though firewalling seems like a better option to control what is forwarded. |
| 02:58.27 | mborohovski2 | nat^: heh, vaio s480, here |
| 02:58.28 | bluefox83 | eh, i'm not very good at using firewalls >.> |
| 02:58.42 | mborohovski2 | trave11er: any error? |
| 02:58.58 | silverton | okay =/ |
| 02:59.00 | nat^ | mborohovski2:lol the plot thickens |
| 02:59.04 | trave11er | mborohovski2: nothing clear |
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| 02:59.16 | bob2 | silverton: or not |
| 02:59.16 | trave11er | probably buried in the logs somewhere |
| 02:59.23 | jasoncohen | portahex, would you recommend i stick with testing or use sid? right now i have a mixed system with a bunch of packages from sid (ssh, openoffice, gaim, mozilla-firefox, evolution and a few others) and i have to constantly check for security updates. |
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| 02:59.31 | bob2 | silverton: I assume y've copied some random dhcp server config file from somewhere else, right? |
| 02:59.33 | nat^ | miine still refusing to boot from the hd |
| 02:59.49 | bluefox83 | lim_x, so how do i know that when i restart my networking that it wont try to use my second card as the main one? |
| 02:59.57 | silverton | bob2, no, it was already in /etc/dhcpd.conf I just uncommented a few lines and changed it to match my network |
| 02:59.58 | lim_x | xiaogil: this is an excellent documentation: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/arrays.html |
| 03:00.12 | mborohovski2 | trave11er: so what do i do now? |
| 03:00.31 | bob2 | silverton: ah |
| 03:00.39 | nat^ | mborohovski2: my sentiments exactly |
| 03:00.48 | Cyanophytes | how do I make an initrd file with my 2.6.8 kernel source |
| 03:01.00 | trave11er | mborohovski2: well |
| 03:01.02 | silverton | bob2, tried the same thing with dhcp3-server but it didn't even hand out a gateway addy |
| 03:01.06 | silverton | dhcpd does though |
| 03:01.07 | lim_x | bluefox83: ip_forward means that (ip) packets are forwarded (between all! interfaces) as appropriate; what do you mean by "the main one"? |
| 03:01.18 | trave11er | mborohovski2: a nice computer-free weekend? :-) |
| 03:01.30 | SiMatrix | IS IMPI supported by Debian? |
| 03:01.30 | bluefox83 | the one that is connected to the cable modem >.> |
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| 03:01.38 | nat^ | seriously tho, it wont boot at all |
| 03:01.45 | netcat | Cyanophytes: mkinitrd? |
| 03:01.45 | bluefox83 | what in the hell is IMPI? |
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| 03:02.13 | SiMatrix | Intel Management Platform Interface |
| 03:02.24 | mborohovski2 | gahh |
| 03:02.34 | mborohovski2 | im going to try to do my own debootstrap one more time |
| 03:02.35 | mborohovski2 | bbl |
| 03:02.35 | bluefox83 | uh..i dunno >.> |
| 03:02.37 | trave11er | mborohovski2: seriously though, d-i people have a meeting tomorrow |
| 03:02.57 | trave11er | mborohovski2: i am going to attend and bug them about it |
| 03:03.06 | trave11er | (if it's not too early |
| 03:03.07 | lim_x | bluefox83: that is determined by either a "gateway" setting in /etc/network/interfaces or given to you by dhcp; run "/sbin/route" |
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| 03:03.24 | jasoncohen | huh, debian docs say never to use auto for a PCMCIA card but i'm using auto for my card and it works fine. in fact, if i don't use auto my NFS shares aren't mounted |
| 03:03.27 | nat^ | trave11er: any ideas on getting my machine to boot ? |
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| 03:03.40 | nat^ | from anything other than the mini iso |
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| 03:03.47 | n0cturna1 | apt-get update perl <-- that gonna kill stuff? |
| 03:03.53 | Cyanophytes | netcat: thanks |
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| 03:04.08 | Vanquisher | yo, i need to tar up something, need a consult |
| 03:04.10 | netcat | Cyanophytes: no problem... |
| 03:04.12 | Vanquisher | i dont know |
| 03:04.20 | trave11er | nat^: sorry, i have no idea. if you did not reach the kernel installation stage, you could not possibly break anything |
| 03:04.30 | nat^ | mbr tho |
| 03:04.35 | trave11er | unless you formatted your windows partition |
| 03:04.42 | nat^ | it wont boot from the windows cd either tho |
| 03:05.21 | trave11er | nat^: hmm, that's very strange |
| 03:05.26 | shizo | hi. i have installed debian recently, but now my monitor switches off in irregular times and doesnt switch back on again. anyone know how this is caused and what to do? |
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| 03:05.46 | trave11er | as i said, try to cold-reset it, i.e. shutdown, pull out power cord and battery, let sit for a while |
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| 03:05.48 | bluefox83 | hey, i just ran /etc/init.d/networking restart and i didn't disconnect..whats up with that? |
| 03:05.52 | portahex | shizo, what gfx card? |
| 03:06.01 | bluefox83 | shouldn't i have disconnected for a second or two? |
| 03:06.05 | trave11er | nat^: it helps with my machine when shit like that happens |
| 03:06.06 | shizo | Radeon 5700 Pro |
| 03:06.08 | nat^ | bios reset to defaults.. ? |
| 03:06.24 | trave11er | nat^: if nothing else works |
| 03:06.36 | portahex | shizo, is that meant to be a 5? |
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| 03:07.12 | Vanquisher | i need to tar up my / and to exclude the home dir can someone help me |
| 03:07.13 | nat^ | ok |
| 03:07.17 | netcat | shizo: Are you running your monitor at a higher resolution than it was designed to go? |
| 03:07.18 | nat^ | sorted |
| 03:07.21 | nat^ | wierd tho |
| 03:07.38 | kbrooks | !info php5 |
| 03:07.40 | trave11er | nat^: it happens occasionally to my laptop too |
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| 03:08.03 | shizo | same resolution than in windows |
| 03:08.04 | bluefox83 | will i need to do anything special to get my ps2 to use my computer as a gateway now? |
| 03:08.06 | n0cturna1 | Vanquisher: man tar ? |
| 03:08.16 | nat^ | trave11er:if i download all the cds, presumably i will be able to install just fine ? |
| 03:08.17 | jasoncohen | anyone know the status of the vancouver proposal to limit the number of official archs supported by etch? |
| 03:08.20 | trave11er | nat^: did you try a different mirror? |
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| 03:08.32 | SiMatrix | Is there anyway to configure a DHCP server not on the host to do a PXE boot? |
| 03:08.33 | epsilon | is there anywhere tutorial for adding mysql-User with proper access rights (webmaster can work inside a database safely)? |
| 03:08.33 | Vanquisher | n0cturna1, i did but, my exclude command isnt working for some reason |
| 03:08.36 | shizo | portahex: i'm sorry 9500 Pro |
| 03:08.42 | nat^ | trave11er:tried a couple that had worked for the netinstall |
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| 03:09.05 | Vanquisher | n0cturna1, tar -cpvjf /backup.tar.bz2 --exclude="*/home/*" * |
| 03:09.10 | SiMatrix | portahex: Is there anyway to configure a DHCP server not on the host to do a PXE boot? |
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| 03:09.48 | netcat | shizo: If you have too high of resolution or refresh you could damage your monitor. It might be worthwhile to run "xvidtune" to confirm your monitor settings. |
| 03:10.12 | trave11er | nat^: ok, i'll try to figure out wtf is wrong with it |
| 03:10.19 | n0cturna1 | gimme 2 secs to stop breaking stuff and i'll have a look |
| 03:10.30 | shizo | netcat: The resolution works fine on windows. 1600x1200 by 70 Hz |
| 03:10.32 | lim_x | bluefox83: if you still have same ip address (on the ppp device), no. Edit /etc/network/interfaces on the ps2 and add "gateway a.b.c.d" with the ip address of you computer. |
| 03:10.36 | shizo | 19" |
| 03:10.43 | trave11er | ACCEPTED/NOT ACCEPTED indicates whether it is accepted upstream (in -rc6) or not |
| 03:10.50 | trave11er | oops, wrong channel |
| 03:10.57 | nat^ | ok when i said it was ok, i meant it booted from the windows cd.. but still no hdd boot |
| 03:11.07 | nat^ | 3even after a fixmbr |
| 03:11.20 | portahex | fixboot |
| 03:11.21 | trave11er | :-( |
| 03:11.21 | Vanquisher | n0cturna1, i dont know why it persits to try and tar my home, do u see a flaw in my command? |
| 03:12.23 | nat^ | even tho ofcourse it did in fact do a fixmbr from the windows directory |
| 03:13.45 | dondelelcaro | Vanquisher: you probably want tar -cpvjf backup.tar.bz2 --exclude="home/*" /; because no members of the tarball will have leading slashes if you use tar zcf foo *; |
| 03:13.49 | n0cturna1 | i have no idea.. im guessing it's got something to do with the pattern you're using |
| 03:14.19 | dondelelcaro | Vanquisher: info tar; search for exclude; for more details. |
| 03:14.47 | n0cturna1 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 03:14.47 | n0cturna1 | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 03:15.04 | n0cturna1 | how teh foook can i fix that? |
| 03:15.36 | dondelelcaro | n0cturna1: dpkg-reconfigure locales; build the locale that you've got LANG or LC_* set to. |
| 03:17.13 | n0cturna1 | cheers dondelelcaro, that did it |
| 03:17.29 | kreg | when doing a software raid with 2.4.x , do the two IDE drives for raid-0 need to be scsi emulated? |
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| 03:18.08 | seba | iam having problem with ssh.... do you know this error: scp: FATAL: Executing ssh1 in compatibility mode failed (Check that scp1 is in your PATH). |
| 03:20.34 | sen5421 | In GNOME my applications are minimized into 'nowhere' instead of to my panel... how can I fix this? |
| 03:21.09 | waTR | how do you change the clock format from 24hr to 12hr format in KDE under debian? |
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| 03:21.24 | dondelelcaro | who wants a 12 hour clock? |
| 03:21.32 | waTR | lol |
| 03:21.38 | netcat | seba: I just pasted in "scp: FATAL: Executing ssh1 in compatibility mode" to www.google.com/linux and it gave about 11 hits... |
| 03:21.54 | waTR | what can I say...I am use to it and just need it to feel like home |
| 03:22.00 | aFlag | i got the gaim source with apt-get and changed something on it, now how do make it into a debian package to install in the place of the current gaim package? |
| 03:22.02 | waTR | have pitty ;P |
| 03:22.04 | seba | netcat: sorry |
| 03:22.21 | dondelelcaro | waTR: anyway, I'm not sure about KDE... I'd figure right clicking on it or something would give you the strftime string it is using to display the time. |
| 03:22.32 | netcat | seba: no problem, hope that helps... |
| 03:22.46 | dondelelcaro | waTR: you'd want '%r' instead of '%R' |
| 03:22.56 | xiaogil | lim_x: thanks |
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| 03:23.47 | waTR | hmm |
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| 03:24.52 | cheal | !tell aFlag about dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 03:25.28 | bluefox83 | ok, my ps2 can't connect to the net with my pc..i don't think everything is set up correctly... |
| 03:25.38 | waTR | dondelelcaro: right click doesnt show anything I have checked all of the config menus when I right click on it |
| 03:25.38 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 03:25.38 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 03:25.41 | jasoncohen | what's the link for the debian sid wiki written for #debian users? |
| 03:25.47 | bluefox83 | yes i know that's vague |
| 03:25.57 | dondelelcaro | waTR: well, maybe try asking in #debian-kde if no one here knows. I don't use KDE. |
| 03:26.09 | waTR | ahh |
| 03:26.13 | bluefox83 | i don't know how else to describe my problem :( |
| 03:26.21 | waTR | dondelelcaro: jeez i didnt even know about that chan! thanks! |
| 03:26.28 | bluefox83 | i need to use my pc as a gateway, so my ps2 can connect to the internet |
| 03:26.51 | FieldySnuts | you'll want to learn about iptables, routing, etc |
| 03:27.01 | bluefox83 | ... |
| 03:27.02 | ultraviolet16 | hi everyone |
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| 03:27.21 | ultraviolet16 | i have a pesky problem where my audio works in kde but not in gnome |
| 03:27.27 | ultraviolet16 | any idea where to start? |
| 03:27.28 | tatoo_ | hi everybody |
| 03:27.44 | n0cturna1 | Starting web server: Apache2[Sat Jun 18 11:30:13 2005] [warn] NameVirtualHost greypages.invert.net.au:0 has no VirtualHosts |
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| 03:28.04 | n0cturna1 | wtf does that mean? |
| 03:28.16 | ultraviolet16 | you have to look at the config file |
| 03:28.22 | n0cturna1 | NameVirtualHost greypages.invert.net.au |
| 03:28.23 | n0cturna1 | <VirtualHost greypages.invert.net.au> |
| 03:28.46 | cheal | jasoncohen: the debian sid wiki :? |
| 03:28.59 | ultraviolet16 | what are the two lines under that nocturnal? |
| 03:29.14 | n0cturna1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.15 | n0cturna1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.18 | jasoncohen | cheal, there was a website with info on sid written for #debian users |
| 03:29.19 | n0cturna1 | ummm |
| 03:29.31 | n0cturna1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.41 | n0cturna1 | or is it just this stupid program pretending? |
| 03:29.51 | n0cturnal | . |
| 03:29.52 | cheal | jasoncohen: but...a wiki only focused on sid? |
| 03:30.09 | ultraviolet16 | damn nocturnal, i have a similiar problem.. sorry i can't help |
| 03:30.16 | ultraviolet16 | i was just wondering what your config looked like |
| 03:30.19 | reamtS | how to turn off the beep on the shell? |
| 03:30.50 | ultraviolet16 | reamtS: in gnome? |
| 03:30.57 | n0cturnal | unplug speaker? |
| 03:31.02 | ultraviolet16 | haha that works |
| 03:31.05 | jasoncohen | cheal, perhaps it's more of a FAQ site |
| 03:31.08 | reamtS | ultraviolet16: bash shell |
| 03:31.09 | cheal | ultraviolet16: so should I understand that gnome apps can generate sound in KDE? |
| 03:31.23 | cheal | !sid faq |
| 03:31.24 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 03:31.30 | cheal | jasoncohen: there's that sid faq :? |
| 03:31.37 | jasoncohen | yeah |
| 03:31.38 | jasoncohen | thanks |
| 03:32.11 | tatoo_ | i wanna play a game and, after i ran its loader (for jediknight outcast) it loads the game. but when i click on "begin the game" it simply discard the cdrom's existence: it gives me error message such as "game cdrom not in drive" (though it's mounted!). could somebody tell me an explanation about this problem? |
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| 03:33.16 | valdyn_ | tatoo_: some kind of copy protection mechanism unsupported by your cedega / wine / winex ? |
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| 03:34.20 | tatoo_ | valdyn_: pvt |
| 03:35.00 | bluefox83 | i think i need some help configuring my system to be a gateway for my ps2, would anyone care to assist me? |
| 03:35.19 | xiaogil | where can i get the easiest exemple of the command "while" in a terminal ? |
| 03:35.29 | n0cturnal | [Sat Jun 18 11:37:24 2005] [error] Can't locate Apache2.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . /etc/apache2) at (eval 2) line 3.\n |
| 03:35.35 | n0cturnal | wtf? |
| 03:35.38 | valdyn_ | xiaogil: man bash |
| 03:35.41 | tatoo_ | valdyn_: i don't think so cuz it was installed by the loader... |
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| 03:35.53 | tatoo_ | valdyn_: wine BTW |
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| 03:36.04 | valdyn_ | tatoo_: that doesnt matter ( that it was installed by the loader ) |
| 03:36.13 | n0cturnal | is it freenode that is dropping characters? |
| 03:36.20 | tatoo_ | valdyn_: hmm....how can i know that so? |
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| 03:36.55 | valdyn_ | tatoo_: games often are installable even W/O the cdrom, but they won't run unless they are the original cdrom and the copy protection mechanism is supported. |
| 03:37.25 | tatoo_ | valdyn_: sorry...what is W/O |
| 03:37.26 | tatoo_ | ? |
| 03:37.33 | valdyn_ | tatoo_: without |
| 03:37.37 | tatoo_ | thanks |
| 03:38.02 | squal | whoareyou? |
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| 03:38.30 | squal | why? |
| 03:38.34 | Xenguy | o/~ I really wanna know o/~ |
| 03:38.37 | xiaogil | valdyn_: in "while list; do list; done" what can be list ? |
| 03:38.48 | valdyn_ | xiaogil: man bash |
| 03:39.00 | squal | can you speak indonesia |
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| 03:39.13 | portahex | tatoo_, wine doesn't support copy protection. use cedega, or a cracked game executable |
| 03:39.18 | xiaogil | valdyn_: could you give me a little example please |
| 03:39.41 | squal | siapa nama mu ? |
| 03:40.10 | valdyn_ | xiaogil: while true; do echo test; done |
| 03:40.11 | tatoo_ | portahex: any url u could give me? (sorry people, i don't know if this kindda information is permitted). |
| 03:40.20 | squal | ????? |
| 03:40.42 | bluefox83 | this is harder than i thought it would be -_- |
| 03:40.56 | dondelelcaro | squal: I don't know if anyone here can speak indonesian. /msg chanserv list #debian*; for the list of debian related non-english channels. |
| 03:40.56 | valdyn | tatoo_: using cracks isnt illigal i thought. |
| 03:41.27 | tatoo_ | ok |
| 03:41.31 | valdyn | tatoo_: just ask google or xmule or amule or similar. |
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| 03:41.46 | tatoo_ | valdyn: thanks man! |
| 03:42.24 | squal | you are welcome !!!!! |
| 03:42.44 | jasoncohen | other than the gnome problem, are there any other big problems in sid at this time? |
| 03:42.57 | SiMatrix | I am extremely happy I got a PXE boot to work in less then an hour. It is a miracle!!! |
| 03:43.00 | valdyn | jasoncohen: im not having a gnome problem. |
| 03:43.05 | valdyn | jasoncohen: ( in sid ) |
| 03:43.14 | jasoncohen | valdyn, nor am i with gnome 2.10 in etch |
| 03:43.15 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: it's sid. There are open bugs, so there are always problem. |
| 03:43.20 | n0cturnal | what do i need to apt-get to install php4 with apache2 ? |
| 03:43.20 | jasoncohen | but people were complaining |
| 03:43.23 | n0cturnal | and have it working..? |
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| 03:43.59 | jasoncohen | n0cturnal, libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 03:44.11 | valdyn | jasoncohen: severe bugs in sid usually get fixed quickly, but if some package manager fucks up and chooses to 'rm -rf /', there's no mechanism in place securing you from that. |
| 03:44.15 | aFlag | does dpkg-buildpackage works with changed packages? |
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| 03:44.32 | valdyn | s/manager/maintainer/ |
| 03:44.41 | jasoncohen | valdyn, heh, true- i do daily backups of /home and /etc but not / |
| 03:44.53 | jasoncohen | and they're stored on my sarge server |
| 03:45.01 | squal | managerofbank |
| 03:45.08 | n0cturnal | .jasoncohen: will that add the appropriate conf lines to apache? |
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| 03:45.23 | concept10 | what is need in order to do a net install of sarge - just the 100 mb .iso? |
| 03:45.29 | thomas22 | Im new to kde, where is the graphical file-manager for moving blocks of files from 1 directory to another |
| 03:45.31 | jasoncohen | n0cturnal, i don't know- however i do believe that's the package you want |
| 03:45.32 | cheal | concept10: yes |
| 03:45.48 | supsup | I wanna install the boot loader on the main drive. I tried to install on another drive but that doesn't work, so I wanna put it on the one drive. How do I skip the other parts of setup? |
| 03:45.57 | squal | no tnk |
| 03:46.03 | cheal | thomas22: ask #debian-kde, or find konqueror |
| 03:46.05 | jasoncohen | n0cturnal, i know because my father was doing the same with php and apache2 and he was using an online tutorial today |
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| 03:46.16 | thomas22 | thanks |
| 03:46.26 | valdyn | supsup: just run "grub-install /dev/hdwhatever" to just install your bootloader.. |
| 03:46.34 | n0cturnal | ah k |
| 03:46.34 | jasoncohen | valdyn, do you do backups of /? |
| 03:46.35 | kreg | the linux raid howto says to edit /etc/raidtab after installing raidtools2 and mdadm. however a /etc/raidtab does not exsist, nor does a mkraid command seem to be avaible. any ideas? |
| 03:46.56 | jasoncohen | valdyn, is there a site with tips for sid users. i'm going to install that apt package that gives you a list of all critical bugs before installation |
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| 03:47.04 | n0cturnal | hrmm |
| 03:47.09 | n0cturnal | yay |
| 03:47.09 | concept10 | what is the default kernel of sarge? |
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| 03:47.15 | n0cturnal | i can see the first character of my lines again |
| 03:47.17 | jasoncohen | apt-listbugs i mean |
| 03:47.25 | valdyn | jasoncohen: i dont know about a site, i use mondo to backup / on my notebook. |
| 03:47.42 | cheal | concept10: on i386, 2.4.27 |
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| 03:48.15 | SDFH_Linux | man i am glad i installed gnome 2.10.1 |
| 03:48.22 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, it's nice, isn't it? |
| 03:48.27 | SDFH_Linux | i didnt think it would run good |
| 03:48.30 | SDFH_Linux | on this old hd |
| 03:48.35 | SDFH_Linux | i have only a 8.4gb |
| 03:48.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you there? |
| 03:48.38 | SDFH_Linux | on this thing |
| 03:48.44 | SDFH_Linux | i need to get one of those 200gb things |
| 03:48.45 | SDFH_Linux | for this |
| 03:48.51 | SDFH_Linux | even though its overkill |
| 03:49.03 | SDFH_Linux | jasoncohen didnt you just recently move to linux? |
| 03:49.09 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, no |
| 03:49.12 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:49.15 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, i recently moved to debian |
| 03:49.19 | SDFH_Linux | ah |
| 03:49.23 | SDFH_Linux | you were on mandrake |
| 03:49.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. what up g. |
| 03:49.26 | SDFH_Linux | i remember now right |
| 03:49.29 | jasoncohen | i used mandrake for about a year and a half |
| 03:49.30 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: /msg |
| 03:49.35 | deadcat | heh |
| 03:49.46 | SDFH_Linux | i used mandrake from 6.5 till 10 |
| 03:49.57 | SDFH_Linux | then i said loyalty or no this is to slow |
| 03:50.00 | SDFH_Linux | and buggy |
| 03:50.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you back from SJ?> |
| 03:50.01 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, i needed a reliable mythtv backend server so i tried debian sarge and i liked the package selection so i put it on my laptop |
| 03:50.20 | SDFH_Linux | i tried it too coming from mandrake and i was like apt-get is cool |
| 03:50.26 | jasoncohen | mandrake sat on their ass too much |
| 03:50.29 | jasoncohen | yeah, apt-get is awesome |
| 03:50.40 | SDFH_Linux | and i am loving this gnome 2.10.1 |
| 03:50.44 | jasoncohen | they waited about a month for one of the mozilla-firefox updates |
| 03:50.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. just got back today. |
| 03:50.58 | concept10 | just curious - why does sarge still use the 2.4 series kernel? |
| 03:51.05 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, yeah, i installed it a day after it went into unstable- very cool indeed |
| 03:51.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you need a ride anywhere? I CAN DRIVE BIEIEIEEITCHES! hahahah |
| 03:51.19 | xiaogil | where can i find some examples of the terminal's commands "area" and "while" used together ? |
| 03:51.21 | valdyn | concept10: it uses 2.4 and optionally 2.6 |
| 03:51.21 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, in fact a lot of the stuff i liked in ubuntu was really just gnome 2.10- like the hotplug support for USB keys |
| 03:51.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. i let you know when i need a ride. (=. so i can watch dvd while you drive heheh |
| 03:51.36 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Wow... check out this BOMB DEAL! http://www.craigslist.org/eby/sys/79493469.html |
| 03:51.48 | SDFH_Linux | i have friend that runs ubuntu |
| 03:51.50 | SDFH_Linux | he likes it |
| 03:51.52 | kreg | anyone know how to do software raid? i have a question about the software-raid howto |
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| 03:51.55 | SDFH_Linux | but i dont think its for me |
| 03:52.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: haha all good... was playing xbox in my car like a week ago. |
| 03:52.03 | toresbe | I run Ubuntu, for several reasons |
| 03:52.05 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 03:52.05 | dpkg | anyone is probably ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 03:52.06 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, i like debian better |
| 03:52.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: too $$$ |
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| 03:52.25 | cheal | concept10: because it's more stable than 2.6 |
| 03:52.27 | SDFH_Linux | coming off mandrake what i first noticed was how much faster debian was than mandrake |
| 03:52.29 | SDFH_Linux | and stable |
| 03:52.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: why you want to by that one? |
| 03:52.38 | SDFH_Linux | even using unstable packages it was way more stable |
| 03:52.38 | concept10 | TwistedEmotions, thats the best deal of the net |
| 03:52.44 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I was kidding... a P2 for 150$? That is rediculious... people throw those things again.. |
| 03:52.49 | TwistedEmotions | concept10: isnt it? |
| 03:52.49 | SDFH_Linux | and i like they are always upgrading and updating |
| 03:53.01 | TwistedEmotions | 56k modem (internet ready) hahahhahaa |
| 03:53.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i thought you were crazy enough to buy it (= |
| 03:53.23 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hey hey... my feelings ;( |
| 03:53.29 | n0cturnal | is there a command to show all installed packages? |
| 03:53.33 | concept10 | I wish I could get one of those internet computers people were puting linux on a couple a years ago |
| 03:53.35 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, yeah, 2005 LE took *forever* to boot up |
| 03:53.40 | valdyn | n0cturnal: dpkg -l |
| 03:53.41 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: win98 online? thats asking for trouble. |
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| 03:53.51 | concept10 | I forgot what they were called |
| 03:53.52 | SDFH_Linux | i stopped using mandrake at number 10 |
| 03:53.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahahah AOL 3.0! |
| 03:53.59 | SDFH_Linux | that is where after many years said no more of this |
| 03:54.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: arent they on 6.0 or 8 now? |
| 03:54.12 | wpostma | How can I install sarge entirely without graphics? My box doesn't like the graphics in the sarge installer, and it freezes trying to display them. (It's a celeron 700 with an mpact (weird) video card). |
| 03:54.12 | SDFH_Linux | starting seriously shopping around for another distro |
| 03:54.30 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, i was recompiling gaim, gaim-otr, xchat, gaim-encryption and i had to get mozilla-thunderbird and mozilla-firefox to get security updates |
| 03:54.31 | TwistedEmotions | I dont know ? |
| 03:54.36 | thomas22 | 6.1 I think |
| 03:54.38 | jasoncohen | and i finally said screw this, heh |
| 03:54.42 | wpostma | I suppose I should use the woody installer, and then dist-upgrade to sarge? |
| 03:54.43 | SDFH_Linux | dang |
| 03:54.47 | SDFH_Linux | no thats nuts |
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| 03:54.57 | concept10 | I had a box full of pentium ii computers I threw in the dumpster about a month ago |
| 03:55.01 | supsup | so if go over the MBR on my C drive and it messes up, can I get Windows back? |
| 03:55.06 | SiMatrix | How do I disable Appletalk. It takes forever to boot. Pretty please. |
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| 03:55.41 | trave11er | wpostma: there is an option for installer to disable the framebuffer, which will prevent any graphics from displaying |
| 03:55.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: 9.0 "SECURITY EDITION" hahahhahahah |
| 03:55.48 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, i instaleld firefox & thunderbird from a unofficial source which built the latest versions...they since stopped. i then looked at fc3 but i would have had to have 10 conflicting repos to install all the packages i wanted so i looked at debian and wanted to try apt-get and have a stable distro |
| 03:55.51 | valdyn | supsup: it wont "gone", just its bootloader will be, you can always install a bootloader than can boot windows from a cdrom or floppy |
| 03:55.58 | trave11er | wpostma: it's in the installation manual somewhere |
| 03:56.05 | TwistedEmotions | concept10: agreed. Those things are useless now a days.. |
| 03:56.09 | SDFH_Linux | i almost went with fedora |
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| 03:56.12 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, do you use etch or sid? |
| 03:56.18 | SDFH_Linux | but there is something about redhat i dont like |
| 03:56.19 | wpostma | trave11er: how do I access that option? It never shows me any boot menu (syslinux) in sarge bootup. just sits at a debian logo with no text on screen. |
| 03:56.27 | kreg | does debian have the tool mkraid? |
| 03:56.32 | SDFH_Linux | etch is unstable right? |
| 03:56.34 | valdyn | supsup: ideally you fetch such a floppy / cdrom before you change anything |
| 03:56.37 | JeffH | I'm trying to setup postfix to use tls when doing authenticated SMTP but don't see any indication it's being used when I do a 'telnet localhost 25' 'ehlo anywhere.com' |
| 03:56.37 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, yum blows...i tried installing a few packages with yum and it was torture- the search features suck and it's freaking slow |
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| 03:56.50 | supsup | k. it should let me pick one though before it goes straight into linux, right? |
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| 03:56.55 | JeffH | don't see anything in the logs either.. any idea what I might have missed? |
| 03:56.56 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, searching for packages by default runs an update and takes 45 secs |
| 03:56.59 | bob2 | JeffH: is STARTTLS listed int he features? |
| 03:57.03 | SDFH_Linux | i installed fc3 and it was nice but i just didnt like it |
| 03:57.03 | valdyn | JeffH: serverside? |
| 03:57.07 | concept10 | Alot of those were in the old cartridge format. Im about to build a couple of systems for people with out computers. Linux only |
| 03:57.09 | trave11er | wpostma: do you see the boot prompt? |
| 03:57.11 | bob2 | JeffH: tls doesn't start until the client requests it |
| 03:57.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: actually i have a p2 450 with mon to donate. but havent found someone who needs it yet (= |
| 03:57.13 | SDFH_Linux | something about fedora/redhat i never liked |
| 03:57.18 | netcat | supsup: You might want to boot up with Knoppix and make a copy of your MBR using the "dd" command. |
| 03:57.19 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, i detested yum |
| 03:57.19 | wpostma | no. that's what's weird. never had this issue before. |
| 03:57.19 | JeffH | bob2: no. |
| 03:57.25 | SDFH_Linux | yum worked for me |
| 03:57.27 | trave11er | wpostma: hmm |
| 03:57.30 | wpostma | I think this machine isn't going to like debian. |
| 03:57.32 | SDFH_Linux | but i was like apt-get is better |
| 03:57.36 | SDFH_Linux | than this |
| 03:57.38 | bob2 | JeffH: you have postfix-tls installed? |
| 03:57.45 | JeffH | valdyn: not sure what you're asking when you say 'serverside?' |
| 03:57.48 | jasoncohen | yeah, i thought urpmi was good until i tried apt-get |
| 03:57.48 | wpostma | I got 2.2 (potato) installed on this box, but its too old to just dist-upgrade to sarge. |
| 03:57.57 | JeffH | bob: yea.. maybe I should restart it. |
| 03:58.02 | SDFH_Linux | gentoo i tried but i dont have time to be reading and typing all those commands |
| 03:58.14 | SDFH_Linux | got it going it was cool but to much work |
| 03:58.28 | SDFH_Linux | and i reallly didnt notice that much of a difference in speed |
| 03:58.32 | valdyn | JeffH: you are trying to have clients log into your exim4 via tls, not have your exim4 log into servers via tls. |
| 03:58.34 | SDFH_Linux | a little but not to warrant all that work |
| 03:58.36 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: just toss it man... or post of craigslist. Maybe you can find some ghetto folks on there that will want it.. |
| 03:58.44 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, my major gripe with fc3 and mandrake was that i had to download ISOs and do a pretty risky upgrade every few months. fedora doesn't really support upgrades at all and mandrake's upgrade only recently became decent\ |
| 03:58.48 | bob2 | valdyn: postfix, not exim4 |
| 03:58.51 | trave11er | wpostma: that's weird. if you would get at least to boot prompt, then you could boot with 'linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false' |
| 03:58.57 | valdyn | bob2: ops |
| 03:58.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. 1 problem. i have ubuntu on it. (= |
| 03:59.04 | trave11er | wpostma: but if you can't reach that, then no idea |
| 03:59.06 | JeffH | how do I restart tls? |
| 03:59.06 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: traitor. |
| 03:59.06 | deadcat | aint no windows on that thing |
| 03:59.13 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, is it harder or just a waste of time to compile everything? |
| 03:59.20 | wpostma | hmm. I figured out that if I hit F10, the logo goes away and I get a help screen. now I can see a boot prompt. weird. |
| 03:59.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: because its not for me. i will never cheat on debian (= |
| 03:59.28 | bob2 | JeffH: sudo invoke-rc.d postfix restart |
| 03:59.29 | jasoncohen | deadcat, do you like ubuntu? |
| 03:59.32 | trave11er | wpostma: heh |
| 03:59.34 | deadcat | jasoncohen: fuck no |
| 03:59.38 | SDFH_Linux | i tried mandrake upgrades and it never worked for me i had to basically give u on it and when a new mandrake came out i would just do a clean install which became a pain |
| 03:59.40 | jasoncohen | deadcat, why do you use it? |
| 03:59.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Uhhhh... I dont know anyone who would want a linux box... |
| 03:59.50 | deadcat | jasoncohen: i dont. its for donation |
| 03:59.58 | SDFH_Linux | gentoo is a bit faster from what i could tell but its a lot of work |
| 04:00.07 | K_Dallas | SDFH_Linux, mandrake is poor even though i used it for a while. |
| 04:00.09 | wpostma | YAY! That worked, thanks trave11er! |
| 04:00.21 | JeffH | hm.. still no STARTTLS |
| 04:00.29 | SDFH_Linux | K_Dallas i used it from mandrake 6.5 in 98 till 10 |
| 04:00.33 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: someone who only need to use the internet/email, not sure how easy cd works on ubuntu though. |
| 04:00.48 | SDFH_Linux | i think using it that long stunted my growth with linux |
| 04:00.50 | jasoncohen | what exactly has ubuntu done for the linux community? they take sid and upgrade a few packages and then make a few custom packages like their upgrade tool which won't work on debian |
| 04:00.54 | wpostma | I still don't know how it is that the main debian boot logo has NO text visible on it. |
| 04:01.09 | jasoncohen | most of the things i liked about ubuntu were just gnome 2.10 |
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| 04:01.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: try daapd, turn your box into a fucking itunes machine. streaming few songs within my LAN. |
| 04:01.24 | deadcat | jasoncohen: 2.10 is in sid. |
| 04:01.25 | jasoncohen | and a) it trashed my mandrake distro - caused a kernel panic and b) had weird sound issues |
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| 04:01.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: why? |
| 04:01.34 | jasoncohen | deadcat, yeah, i have it on etch |
| 04:01.46 | jasoncohen | apt-get install -t unstable gnome :) |
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| 04:02.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dont know. kinna cool. too lazy to copy the songs |
| 04:02.15 | jasoncohen | i installed debian twice on that system and it didn't touch mandrke...i install ubuntu and i get kernel panics on 3 different mdk kernels...grr |
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| 04:02.37 | SDFH_Linux | for me mandrake was always slower |
| 04:02.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: only really listen to music on my main computer soo.. |
| 04:02.42 | SDFH_Linux | and unstable |
| 04:02.42 | jasoncohen | it took me two days to get my mythtv backend up and running again but now it's better than ever with sarge |
| 04:02.52 | cheal | I use firefox to read a debian.org list and would like to reply to a message using thunderbird. when I click the "Reply to:" link, how can I verify that thunderbird sends the parameters in the link (like ?In-Reply-To=<pan.2005.06.13.18.00.29.48411@debian.org>&Subject=Re:%20wiki.debian.net brokenness?)? |
| 04:02.59 | SDFH_Linux | i just gave up on mandrake |
| 04:03.19 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, i found the boot up slow and i did notice debian was faster when i began using it but what i like is the package selection and the stability of debian stable |
| 04:03.42 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, it was unstable for you? |
| 04:03.47 | SDFH_Linux | yep |
| 04:03.53 | SDFH_Linux | the old stable was old |
| 04:03.55 | kasper | how can i stop 1 package from being updated? |
| 04:03.57 | SDFH_Linux | really old |
| 04:04.00 | SDFH_Linux | but it was a rock |
| 04:04.09 | streuner | kasper: /msg dpkg hold |
| 04:04.10 | kreg | can mdadm make a raid0 from /dev/hdc1 and /dev/hdd1 or do they have to be scsi emulated? |
| 04:04.11 | jasoncohen | is sarge as stable as woody/ |
| 04:04.23 | SDFH_Linux | seems so |
| 04:04.26 | jasoncohen | cool |
| 04:04.27 | xiaogil | while i=0; do echo $i; i=$i+1; done => this command never stops, what's wrong in it ? |
| 04:04.36 | SDFH_Linux | oh i almost went with slackware |
| 04:04.38 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, heh, took long enough to finalize :) |
| 04:04.38 | wpostma | sarge is working great on about 10 boxen of mine. :-) |
| 04:04.42 | deadcat | xiaogil: wont work |
| 04:04.43 | SDFH_Linux | but |
| 04:04.51 | ugly | kasper: also, 'man apt_preferences' |
| 04:04.58 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, btw, are you using etch or sid? |
| 04:04.59 | deadcat | xiaogil: i=((i + 1)) |
| 04:05.00 | trave11er | xiaogil: assignment like i=0 is always true |
| 04:05.00 | SDFH_Linux | lack of packaging system and packages turned me off to it |
| 04:05.04 | SDFH_Linux | etch is unstable? |
| 04:05.10 | SDFH_Linux | i dont know the names now |
| 04:05.11 | kasper | streuner, ugly: thanks |
| 04:05.15 | SDFH_Linux | is etch unstable? |
| 04:05.17 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, sid is unstable, etch is testing |
| 04:05.24 | jasoncohen | sid is always unstable |
| 04:05.39 | cheal | !tell SDFH_Linux about releases |
| 04:05.43 | jasoncohen | slackware doesn't have a packaging system? |
| 04:05.48 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: we all know you're using linux, how about changing your nick to SDFH |
| 04:05.56 | deadcat | xiaogil: what you want it to do? stop at 10 or something? |
| 04:06.00 | SDFH_Linux | ugly i rather not |
| 04:06.02 | ugly | instead of continuing to spam the channel with it |
| 04:06.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: does ubuntu come default with a GUI? |
| 04:06.04 | jasoncohen | i was looking at gentoo for their package selection but damn..i don't want to have to spend hours compiling every evening |
| 04:06.09 | xiaogil | deadcat: yes, exactly |
| 04:06.11 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. gnome. |
| 04:06.16 | SDFH_Linux | i go to other channels and i like to help others with linux questions |
| 04:06.26 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, yes- gnome 2.10 |
| 04:06.27 | SDFH_Linux | so adding Linux to my name attracts them |
| 04:06.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: have you posted on craigslist? |
| 04:06.33 | kasper | streuner: so 'echo pkgname hold | apt-get upgrade' ?? |
| 04:06.34 | SDFH_Linux | only reason i do it |
| 04:06.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. lazy. |
| 04:06.35 | xiaogil | deadcat: but i still didn't get it... |
| 04:06.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Grrr.. I agree.. |
| 04:06.51 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, the ubuntu install doesn't give you any choices...you bootup into gnome and then you can install/uninstall packages |
| 04:06.58 | trave11er | xiaogil: while [ $i -lt 10 ]; do |
| 04:07.10 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: so you help people with linux in non-linux help channels? |
| 04:07.16 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: I'm sure the OPs appreciate you! |
| 04:07.26 | SDFH_Linux | yep |
| 04:07.30 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, so- which are you using? testing or unstable? |
| 04:07.31 | SDFH_Linux | at first it was tough |
| 04:07.33 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: http://www.craigslist.org/eby/wan/79494759.html |
| 04:07.34 | ugly | sarcasm! |
| 04:07.39 | SDFH_Linux | i think i am using unstable |
| 04:07.40 | deadcat | xiaogil: for i in `seq 1 10`; do [ "$i" -eq 5 ] && echo five || echo $i; done |
| 04:07.47 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: Grrr... what if you dont want GUI? |
| 04:07.50 | SDFH_Linux | i have to check my sources.list |
| 04:07.55 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, you don't install ubuntu :) |
| 04:08.17 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: hahaha |
| 04:08.17 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, it's made for desktop users |
| 04:08.17 | SDFH_Linux | ugly in other channels its been interesting |
| 04:08.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You think anyone will donate ;( |
| 04:08.18 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 04:08.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. what else you gonna do besides watch movies? |
| 04:08.40 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: I disagree, it's not interesting |
| 04:08.40 | streuner | kasper: echo foo-package hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 04:08.40 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: now change your nick to something less annoying |
| 04:08.40 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: nothing. What do you mean? |
| 04:08.41 | TwistedEmotions | Errrr |
| 04:08.41 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahah. broke (= |
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| 04:08.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: nothing. What do you mean? |
| 04:08.50 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, ? |
| 04:09.00 | SDFH_Linux | ugly come on |
| 04:09.02 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: ignore the last comment. |
| 04:09.02 | kasper | streuner: thanks |
| 04:09.03 | ugly | times like this really makes me wish freenode would have a shorter max nick length |
| 04:09.12 | SDFH_Linux | its no biggie |
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| 04:09.42 | TwistedEmotions | I want a projector! DAMN YOU ALL |
| 04:09.45 | chealer_Linuxgur | ugly: realize he could have a l33t nick |
| 04:09.52 | kreg | am i supposed to partition the two discs before making them into an array? |
| 04:09.54 | xiaogil | deadcat: i know how to use for, but actually, i need something with an array, like: area=( zero one two three four ); i=0; while ${area[$i]}; do echo {area[$i]}; i=$i+1; done |
| 04:10.08 | xiaogil | deadcat: but i can't find the correct syntax for that |
| 04:10.14 | ugly | chealer_Linuxgur: change your nick too :P |
| 04:10.31 | trave11er | xiaogil: is it even bash? |
| 04:10.32 | deadcat | xiaogil: your problem is the i=$i+1, its i=((i+1)) |
| 04:10.38 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, do you use testing or sid? i'm still trying to figure out whether the faster security upgrades is worth the added instabillity. right now i have a mixed system which isn't too great either |
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| 04:10.56 | jasoncohen | though i have had 0 problems so far |
| 04:11.01 | trave11er | deadcat: isn't it $((i+1)) ? |
| 04:11.02 | jasoncohen | i'm careful about upgrades |
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| 04:11.15 | trave11er | deadcat: what shell is that? |
| 04:11.16 | deadcat | trave11er: oh ya.. the damn $ sign |
| 04:11.31 | SDFH_Linux | are the apt-get repo unstable main contrib non free and non-us main non free working? |
| 04:11.39 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: I use sid... |
| 04:11.51 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, why do you use sid over etch? |
| 04:11.53 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: but then again I dont care about security... not really.. |
| 04:11.57 | trave11er | xiaogil: you can just do area='one two three'; for i in ${area}; do echo ${i}; done |
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| 04:12.12 | chealer_Linuxgur | !topicsmite SDFH_Linux |
| 04:12.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon SDFH_Linux. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:12.21 | concept10 | Does anyway know a way to add gnome sound events to Mozilla Thunderbird? |
| 04:12.22 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 04:12.26 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, no non-US anymore |
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| 04:12.44 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: No major reason really... just perfer newest packages .. |
| 04:12.44 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, it's in the sarge release notes |
| 04:12.49 | supsup | how do I see what packages apt-get has access to? |
| 04:12.52 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, any big problems? |
| 04:12.57 | SDFH_Linux | i c |
| 04:13.01 | chealer_Linuxgur | ugly: come on, I help people with linux, and I tried other distros |
| 04:13.07 | xiaogil | deadcat: when i try this: area=( zero one two three four ); i=0; while ${area[$i]}; do echo {area[$i]}; i=((i + 1)); done, it returns bash: syntax error near unexpected token `( |
| 04:13.08 | deadcat | supsup: debian.packages.org |
| 04:13.14 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: Not really... I dont see any problems... |
| 04:13.19 | SDFH_Linux | i go into non linux help sites |
| 04:13.20 | supsup | I don't have ethernet set up yet |
| 04:13.21 | xiaogil | trave11er: thanks... that's what i needed |
| 04:13.22 | SDFH_Linux | with this nick |
| 04:13.23 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 04:13.30 | deadcat | xiaogil: trave11er said $((i+1)) |
| 04:13.35 | supsup | off the cd |
| 04:13.35 | ugly | chealer_Linuxgur: doesn't change the fact that you sound like a 14 year old no matter what you say with that nick |
| 04:13.42 | SDFH_Linux | so i understand chealer_Linuxgur |
| 04:13.43 | ugly | OMG I USE TEH LUNIX - IMMA H4XOR U |
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| 04:13.47 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: I've never had any major glitches.. |
| 04:13.58 | deadcat | ugly: shut the fuck up whore! |
| 04:14.05 | ugly | "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME! I USE LINUX!" |
| 04:14.08 | chealer_Linuxgur | ugly: well, I like looking older than I am |
| 04:14.10 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, any tips? i don't want to have to worry about a security update being held back by dependencies but i like having new packages to test new features so i don't want to go with sarge on my desktop. |
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| 04:14.19 | SDFH_Linux | who are the hops here? |
| 04:14.21 | SDFH_Linux | or ops? |
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| 04:14.26 | Ether_Man | ugly: Grow up.. Why cares what nick he uses? All you do right now is spam the channel with line after line of pure nonsense.. |
| 04:14.26 | ugly | deadcat: whore? you realize that's only offensive to women, right? |
| 04:14.34 | deadcat | ugly: nope. |
| 04:14.41 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, what's with the "SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE" in the topic? |
| 04:14.48 | jasoncohen | it doesn't seem unstable at this point |
| 04:14.50 | xiaogil | deadcat: this: area=( zero one two three four ); i=0; while ${area[$i]}; do echo {area[$i]}; i=$((i + 1)); done returns, bash: zero: command not found, it almost works |
| 04:14.51 | ugly | well I find it laughable, so call me it all you want |
| 04:15.30 | chealer_Linuxgur | sid is always unstable |
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| 04:15.34 | deadcat | xiaogil: why use while ${area...}? why not for i in? |
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| 04:15.37 | dazedyugo | hello all |
| 04:15.50 | chealer_Linuxgur | SDFH_Linux: why do you want to know? |
| 04:15.51 | cybr | xiaogil: why don't you try while "X${area[$i]}" != "X" |
| 04:15.57 | SDFH_Linux | just curious |
| 04:16.10 | cybr | and shouldn't it be in test brackets? |
| 04:16.13 | mngrif | hey kids, what would cause firefox to close at random? it does happen at random but tends to happen more as soon as I click a link. |
| 04:16.22 | supsup | how do you get package list what can be installed off the cd |
| 04:16.26 | trave11er | xiaogil: whatever you put inside round brackets is interpreted as commands and executed in a subshell |
| 04:16.30 | dazedyugo | if for some reason cups stops working right and there are a lot of jobs that need to be printed, is there any way to convert the jobs in /var/spool/cups to postscript or some other format that will work elsewhere? |
| 04:16.34 | trave11er | xiaogil: why not read some docs? |
| 04:16.42 | deadcat | supsup: mount the cd, ls the dir. |
| 04:16.43 | chealer_Linuxgur | SDFH_Linux: there's a reason they're not +o all the time |
| 04:16.44 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg unstable & sid & testing |
| 04:16.46 | jasoncohen | mngrif, strange- what version of firefox? i see that when i use multimedia apps like mozilla-kaffeine and mozilla-mplayer |
| 04:17.06 | mngrif | jasoncohen: mozilla-mplayer is installed.. |
| 04:17.20 | xiaogil | trave11er: yes, i'm reading some docs... i'm just too impatient to reach my goal... |
| 04:17.31 | mngrif | jasoncohen: Mozilla Firefox 1.0.4, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2005 mozilla.org |
| 04:17.36 | SDFH_Linux | why chealer_Linuxgur? |
| 04:17.37 | trave11er | xiaogil: look for "advanced bash scripting guide" |
| 04:17.40 | jasoncohen | mngrif, it only happens when i use it- generally when i back up a page while a video is playing |
| 04:17.44 | SDFH_Linux | myserious? |
| 04:17.56 | xiaogil | trave11er: okay, thanks |
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| 04:18.02 | mngrif | jasoncohen: i haven't even had reason to use the plugin... |
| 04:18.29 | jasoncohen | mngrif, so it happens when you click a link or just randomly? have you checked BTS? |
| 04:18.31 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: also apt-get instal apt-listbugs |
| 04:18.35 | mngrif | jasoncohen: dpkg: mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-3 |
| 04:18.47 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, already done- heh- i wouldn't use sid without listbugs! |
| 04:18.57 | mngrif | jasoncohen: haven't checked BTS... mostly while clicking a link but sometimes at random while just scrolling through the page |
| 04:18.58 | jasoncohen | that's asking for trouble |
| 04:19.02 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: ;) |
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| 04:19.24 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: I dont know... I mean 99.9% of the time I have no problem with unstable.. |
| 04:19.29 | mngrif | *checks bts* |
| 04:19.31 | jasoncohen | mngrif, check bts and if you don't see anything file a bug report |
| 04:19.33 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: sid = unstable |
| 04:19.49 | jasoncohen | mngrif, apt-get install reportbug (very nice tool) and change the editor to something other than vi if you hate vi |
| 04:19.56 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, i know |
| 04:20.02 | manthiz | can anyone tell me where does the debian menu resides? |
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| 04:20.32 | cybr | xiaogil: you just need: while [ ${area[$i]} ]; do blabkabla.... |
| 04:20.38 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: so then just upgrade.. I dont know.. I mean how major is it if a program doesnt work for you... can you fix it? |
| 04:20.50 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, i don't understand the confusion here with naming of the versions. sid is always unstable. etch is the new testing and sarge is the new stable..woody is oldstable |
| 04:20.54 | chealer_Linuxgur | !menu |
| 04:20.54 | dpkg | from memory, menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
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| 04:21.12 | mngrif | jasoncohen: vim! |
| 04:21.17 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, if a program breaks can't you manually install the old version? |
| 04:21.31 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: yeah... or fix the problem ;) |
| 04:22.05 | manthiz | how about menu-methods |
| 04:22.23 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, is it extremely difficult to go from unstable to testing? |
| 04:22.29 | jasoncohen | if something is really messed up |
| 04:22.52 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: no.. |
| 04:23.13 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: wait |
| 04:23.22 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: sorry read it backwards.. yeah |
| 04:23.29 | supsup | i can't mount my CD-ROM. I'm using mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc/ /cdrom |
| 04:23.45 | jasoncohen | heh, i manually went from kde 3.4 to 3.3.2- that was fun, lol |
| 04:23.47 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: It's a pain in the ass to downgrade... so be sure you want to upgrade. |
| 04:23.58 | chealer_Linuxgur | !menu-methods |
| 04:23.59 | dpkg | You can remove the icons from your window manager's menus by editing /etc/menu-methods/foobar but beware! The docs in /usr/share/doc/menu are out of date. When they say remove `$%{icon}' they actually mean to remove `cond_surr(icon(),"%","%")'. |
| 04:24.01 | TwistedEmotions | !tell jasoncohen about downgrade |
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| 04:24.37 | kn_ | anyone know a way where i can actually mount an iso to boot? |
| 04:24.51 | deadcat | kn_: /etc/fstab |
| 04:25.06 | kn_ | you can actually boot it though? |
| 04:25.13 | deadcat | kn_: yes |
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| 04:26.07 | supsup | how do i list my devices |
| 04:26.18 | deadcat | supsup: ls /dev ? |
| 04:27.02 | supsup | that lists a whole bunch of devices that I don't have |
| 04:27.20 | deadcat | supsup: lspci ? or cat some files in /proc maybe? |
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| 04:28.24 | supsup | K I don't think that's working, but i need to mount my cdrom |
| 04:28.42 | supsup | I've been trying mount /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 04:28.42 | deadcat | supsup: cat /proc/partitions; dmesg|grep ^hd |
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| 04:29.22 | SDFH_Linux | what do i have to put on /etc/fstab for a usb key to work |
| 04:29.42 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 auto user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 04:29.58 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: make sure you have usb-storage and vfat? loaded |
| 04:30.04 | initech | SDFH_Linux: probably what deadcat say, unless you have other scsi drives |
| 04:30.04 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable vfat users 0 0 |
| 04:30.36 | SDFH_Linux | if i have a digital camera already as sda1 then what i do? |
| 04:30.38 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, that's just what i have- and if you use gnome 2.10 it'll automount for you |
| 04:30.49 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: then its sdb and so on... |
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| 04:31.44 | initech | SDFH_Linux: that sort of thing works, but is very klunky and breaks easily ... using udev/hotplug (which gnome does automatically I hear) is really the better way |
| 04:31.45 | jasoncohen | is there any reason there's no system wide hotplug support for USB keys? |
| 04:32.11 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 04:32.29 | jasoncohen | initech, what sort of thing? in KDE i just have a device icon which i double click to mount- works fine with gamin but not fam |
| 04:32.43 | initech | jasoncohen: putting entries in /etc/fstab |
| 04:32.45 | jasoncohen | too bad there's no hotplug support in KDE |
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| 04:33.04 | kbrooks | is jedit packaged in debian? |
| 04:33.20 | jasoncohen | pmount /dev/sda1 also works w/o an fstab entry |
| 04:33.31 | supsup | what's the text editor besides vi? |
| 04:33.43 | initech | supsup: emacs |
| 04:33.46 | supsup | and also, I can't install any packages with apt-get from the CD |
| 04:33.49 | jasoncohen | kbrooks, packages.debian.org |
| 04:33.55 | jasoncohen | or apt-cache search |
| 04:34.07 | jasoncohen | and no |
| 04:34.21 | supsup | the path for that is /etc/sources.list right? |
| 04:34.27 | initech | supsup: did you go through apt-setup? |
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| 04:34.59 | supsup | i don't know. I configured it on the main setup |
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| 04:36.01 | supsup | k apt-setup worked, thanks |
| 04:36.03 | jasoncohen | supsup, there's an entire text editor section |
| 04:36.23 | jasoncohen | supsup, |
| 04:36.35 | jasoncohen | http://packages.debian.org/testing/editors/ |
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| 04:37.49 | initech | i'm just wondering why my debian sarge r0 dvd set gets detected as "unstable" by apt. weird |
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| 04:38.21 | jasoncohen | supsup, there's also nano, mcedit (mc) etc. |
| 04:38.25 | Xenguy | supsup: vim =) |
| 04:38.47 | initech | jasoncohen: no, those do not exist! |
| 04:39.39 | jasoncohen | heh, i like mcedit |
| 04:39.50 | supsup | how do I get kdm to be default when the thing starts up? I just installed it. and thanks, nano was the one I was thinking of |
| 04:40.10 | valdyn | supsup: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 04:40.31 | initech | supsup: dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 04:40.33 | aFlag | where can i read about dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 04:40.52 | valdyn | aFlag: in its manpage? |
| 04:40.52 | initech | supsup: you have debconf turned off or something/ |
| 04:41.05 | JeffH | I'm following the http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/#virtualdomains tutorial for postfix and when I try sending a test email an entry in mail.log informs me that the file can't be written to the mailbox.. the proper permissions aren't there.. anyone know what I might have missed? |
| 04:41.06 | aFlag | i didn't understand much of it |
| 04:41.08 | jasoncohen | supaman, dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 04:41.41 | jasoncohen | supsup, you can dpkg-reconfigure any package that has install scripts. you can also run the base-config tool from the second stage debian install etc. |
| 04:42.15 | jasoncohen | debconf should probably be set to medium once you've installed |
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| 04:42.46 | supsup | hmm ok, kdm is already listed as default display manager. how do I get it going? I do dpkg-reconfigure so that should make it run when it boots up, right? how do I start it from command line |
| 04:42.52 | aFlag | i changed something in gaim's package and now i want to compile it and install but i can't seem to work it using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 04:42.59 | jasoncohen | supsup, kdm |
| 04:43.04 | aFlag | which was the tool i was told to use |
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| 04:43.17 | supsup | tried it, doesn't do anything |
| 04:43.18 | jasoncohen | supsup, it will start on boot, kdm to start it now |
| 04:43.27 | supsup | tried it, doesn't do anything |
| 04:43.29 | jasoncohen | as root? |
| 04:43.32 | supsup | yep |
| 04:43.46 | initech | aFlag: what's wrong with "debian/rules binary" in the sr package root dir? |
| 04:43.47 | jasoncohen | do you have X running? |
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| 04:43.49 | liable | supsup: you already in kde? |
| 04:43.53 | valdyn | supaman: you restarted your system after running it? |
| 04:43.54 | prism | Im a major noob at linux, so could someone tell me if there's a way to access the files on my other, windoze, harddrive? |
| 04:43.55 | jasoncohen | you ahve to stop X |
| 04:44.09 | jasoncohen | prism, yes, it's quite easy actually |
| 04:44.12 | valdyn | prism: in which desktop environment? |
| 04:44.14 | aFlag | initech, i don't think anything is wrong with it |
| 04:44.14 | jasoncohen | prh, ntfs? |
| 04:44.19 | supsup | liable, no. valdyn, after the install first. jason, X isn't running |
| 04:44.22 | aFlag | i changed gaim's code |
| 04:44.23 | prism | gnome, i think |
| 04:44.30 | initech | aFlag: that should build your deb package |
| 04:44.45 | jasoncohen | supsup, but X is installed, right? |
| 04:45.06 | valdyn | prism: ops, i misread, de doesnt matter, just 'mount -t ntfs' your windows partition, or mount -t vfat if its a fat partition. |
| 04:45.11 | liable | supsup: whats the output you get when you run kdm? |
| 04:45.12 | aFlag | i should just run it? |
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| 04:45.22 | supsup | no, I tried to install it said not found. I guess I should do that huh. ^_^ Do you know the package name? Liable, there is no output. |
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| 04:45.56 | valdyn | supsup: apt-get install kdm ( or whichever display-manager ) |
| 04:46.01 | jasoncohen | supsup, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 04:46.08 | aFlag | i was running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -b but it doesn't seem to work :-/ |
| 04:46.18 | rjordan | Anyone got time for a wierd networking prob? |
| 04:46.30 | initech | rjordan: maybe ... |
| 04:46.50 | valdyn | aFlag: and we are supposed to guess your error message? |
| 04:46.57 | jasoncohen | supsup, apt-get install xserver-xfree86 x-window-system |
| 04:47.21 | prism | valdyn, im a noob. Could you explain that a little better? What do you mean by "mount"? |
| 04:47.40 | valdyn | prism: type 'man mount' in a shell |
| 04:47.44 | rjordan | if I let dhcp give my box an address everything works fine. If I then 'ifconfig eth0...' I get nothing; even after adding the default gw route. |
| 04:47.57 | aFlag | valdyn, no, i was asking for documentation on how this process works, because i'm surely doing something wrong |
| 04:48.01 | aFlag | the error message is weird |
| 04:48.10 | jasoncohen | prism, do you know the hardware device you want to use? |
| 04:48.11 | aFlag | let me see it |
| 04:48.14 | Azar | prism, here is a manual where you learn a bit: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 04:48.21 | jasoncohen | prism, for example /dev/hda1 |
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| 04:48.51 | jasoncohen | a typical entry would look like /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults 0 0 |
| 04:49.10 | kreg | what needs to be running after i reboot to keep /dev/md0 alive? |
| 04:49.19 | jasoncohen | if it's 9x replace ntfs with fat32 |
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| 04:49.27 | rjordan | I'd just like to get my box a static IP to make life easy but it's not able to ping anything outside my LAN at that point. |
| 04:49.39 | valdyn | rjordan: read the faq |
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| 04:49.56 | iratsu | does the free nv module support glx? |
| 04:50.00 | aFlag | if i have gaim-1.2.1.tar.bz2 on the directory it uses that instead of compiling what i changed in the gaim-1.2.1 directory |
| 04:50.06 | valdyn | iratsu: no |
| 04:50.06 | streuner | valdyn: at work atm? |
| 04:50.08 | initech | rjordan: the interface is up, and listed when you do "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 04:50.15 | jasoncohen | prism, you would just add that to /etc/fstab with the correct device entry and fs type and then mkdir /mnt/windows and then mount /mnt/windows |
| 04:50.15 | prism | i BELIEVE it's hda0 |
| 04:50.16 | valdyn | streuner: hah, no |
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| 04:50.25 | rjordan | iratsu, it supports mesagl which is not worth using. |
| 04:50.31 | supsup | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 x-window-system doesn't work. just xfree86 did. I'm configuring it now. How do I find my horizontal sync range |
| 04:50.36 | aFlag | and if i remove it i get patches: debian/patches/CAN-2005-1261.patch debian/patches/CAN-2005-1262.patch debian/patches/gtkspell-locale3.patch |
| 04:50.37 | rjordan | initech, yes. |
| 04:50.41 | Azar | iratsu, after you install nvidia the debian way, and if you run 2.6.x kernel , "nv" becomes "nvidia" and yes supports glx |
| 04:50.48 | streuner | aFlag: what version of debian? |
| 04:50.51 | aFlag | Trying patch debian/patches/CAN-2005-1261.patch at level 0...1...2...failure. |
| 04:50.52 | aFlag | sarge |
| 04:51.05 | rjordan | initech, It looks EXACTLY the same as the dhcp addy 'cept the ip itself. |
| 04:51.06 | iratsu | Azar: wait, waht do you mean "nv" becomes "nvidia"? |
| 04:51.10 | initech | rjordan: and you have the route set? (route -n) ? |
| 04:51.15 | aFlag | i'm running the command dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -b |
| 04:51.26 | liable | supsup: the book for it or the web. |
| 04:51.27 | jasoncohen | prism, what are you trying to do? |
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| 04:51.38 | aFlag | althought none of the patches seem to change the file i altered |
| 04:51.38 | jasoncohen | prism, ignore that last comment |
| 04:51.40 | streuner | aFlag: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 04:51.41 | rjordan | initech, yep: 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 04:51.55 | Azar | iratsu, under the old Woody , nvidia was called "nv" in the xfree86-common, the new nvidia driver supported by Sarge is called "nvidia" |
| 04:52.00 | initech | rjordan: can you ping the router at least? |
| 04:52.05 | jasoncohen | aFlag, why not just apt-get build-dep ; apt-get -b source gaim |
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| 04:52.14 | mborohovski5 | woooohooooo |
| 04:52.16 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 04:52.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 04:52.16 | jasoncohen | *apt-get build-dep gaim |
| 04:52.17 | iratsu | Azar: ok, and how do i install it the debian way? |
| 04:52.18 | mborohovski5 | it works!!!! |
| 04:52.21 | mborohovski5 | trave11er: it works |
| 04:52.32 | trave11er | mborohovski5: hmmm |
| 04:52.34 | mborohovski5 | trave11er: i just custom-built a kernel, sans initrd, and it works perfectly |
| 04:52.36 | valdyn | iratsu: /msg dpkg nvidia driver or /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 04:52.38 | rjordan | initech, yes, I just can't resolve dns at that point |
| 04:52.40 | trave11er | mborohovski5: ah |
| 04:52.42 | Azar | iratsu, the best way is to run sarge, a 2.6.x kernel , download the new nvidia driver and reconfigure xfree86 |
| 04:52.44 | trave11er | mborohovski5: cool |
| 04:52.48 | streuner | dpkg, info gaim sid |
| 04:52.48 | trave11er | mborohovski5: congrats! |
| 04:52.50 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 862 kB, Installed size: 2216 kB |
| 04:52.56 | mborohovski5 | trave11er: ha, thanks. |
| 04:52.57 | initech | rjordan: ah. well that's another matter. what's in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 04:52.57 | Azar | iratsu, yes, let me give you the howto |
| 04:52.59 | aFlag | jasoncohen, that way i'd compile the gaim from sid |
| 04:53.06 | mborohovski5 | and im using pppoe right now as well |
| 04:53.06 | aFlag | that's not what i want |
| 04:53.06 | mborohovski5 | =D |
| 04:53.09 | jasoncohen | aFlag, yes |
| 04:53.15 | rjordan | initech, all the same that's in there when I use dhcp... |
| 04:53.16 | jasoncohen | aFlag, just add a sid deb-src source |
| 04:53.18 | aFlag | i want to compile the gaim i've changed |
| 04:53.18 | mborohovski5 | i have a feeling i should post the config up somewhere :p |
| 04:53.22 | jasoncohen | and follow the above instructions |
| 04:53.25 | mborohovski5 | so that others dont have to suffer as much as i did |
| 04:53.26 | rjordan | initech, that's why I'm really stumped. |
| 04:53.38 | aFlag | not the sid's one, i'd want to change sid's one also |
| 04:53.38 | Azar | iratsu: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 04:53.39 | initech | rjordan: can you ping the nameservers by ip address? |
| 04:53.47 | rjordan | initech, yes |
| 04:53.51 | daesotho | waah my default debian firefox 'serif' font doesn't support the weird unicode characters nobody actually uses |
| 04:54.05 | mborohovski5 | albeit i havent exactly included everything in the kernel just yet (i.e. ipw2200, sonypi, and other such things) but it finally works so i CAN |
| 04:54.06 | iratsu | Azar: thanks |
| 04:54.08 | aFlag | i changed gaim's code and now i want to make the package |
| 04:54.15 | initech | rjordan: does "dig @<nameserver ip> yahoo.com a" return anything? |
| 04:54.16 | daesotho | ood |
| 04:54.18 | Azar | iratsu, you are welcome |
| 04:54.20 | mborohovski5 | and i can use this kernel without worrying about not having a booting system |
| 04:54.26 | jasoncohen | what's the easiest way to see a list of all your partitions? |
| 04:54.29 | mborohovski5 | trave11er: so thanks for all the tons of help youve given me |
| 04:54.31 | daesotho | aFlag: debian/rules binary |
| 04:54.33 | daesotho | i think |
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| 04:54.34 | mborohovski5 | jasoncohen: fdisk -l |
| 04:54.35 | initech | jasoncohen: df, fdisk |
| 04:54.37 | trave11er | mborohovski5: no prob |
| 04:54.57 | trave11er | mborohovski5: i'll definitely ask the d-i people to provide some sarge media with 2.6.11 kernel |
| 04:54.58 | aFlag | daesotho, i've looked at it but i couldn't find anything that'd help me |
| 04:55.00 | mborohovski5 | trave11er: think i should post this config somewhere? its 2.6.11.12 |
| 04:55.02 | valdyn | jasoncohen: fdisk -l |
| 04:55.08 | daesotho | no, that's the command |
| 04:55.19 | streuner | aFlag: what did you change in gaim? |
| 04:55.19 | rjordan | initech, It just times out with: ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 04:55.21 | jasoncohen | thanks |
| 04:55.25 | daesotho | you may need to chmod +x debian/rules |
| 04:55.33 | trave11er | mborohovski5: well, it's hardly useful if people do not have exactly the same hw as you |
| 04:55.37 | jasoncohen | valdyn, trying to help prism get his windows partition mounted |
| 04:55.39 | supsup | :{ i used the default, I hope that doesn't mess it up |
| 04:55.43 | iratsu | Azar: i'm running sid with a 2.6 kernel and i installed the drivers from the nvidia site and i also reconfigured X but it crashes with "Caught signal 11. Server aborting" |
| 04:55.50 | mborohovski5 | trave11er: i mean, all i did was boot knoppix, mkfs.ext3 on the partition, debootstrap sarge, load kernel from thumbdrive, config, compile, setup sans initrd, reboot |
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| 04:55.56 | initech | rjordan: but this works from other machines on this same network? |
| 04:56.07 | JeffH | I'm configuring postfix to deliver e-mail to virtual users. When it tries to write the e-mail to the mailbox it gets a permission denied problem. What user/group is the process that writes the e-mail? |
| 04:56.08 | Azar | iratsu the nvidia installer breaks the packages |
| 04:56.17 | valdyn | prism: fdisk -l /dev/hda or fdisk -l /dev/sda if you have a sata drive. |
| 04:56.18 | trave11er | mborohovski5: nice, but there should be an "official" way to do that |
| 04:56.24 | iratsu | Azar: the packages? |
| 04:56.25 | aFlag | streuner, i found that away window annoying so i took it off |
| 04:56.29 | rjordan | initech, it's working right now :P |
| 04:56.31 | Azar | iratsu, the tutorial I gave you recommends you to cleanup the nvidia installation you did from the nvidia site |
| 04:56.34 | aFlag | it was a really small change, really |
| 04:56.41 | iratsu | Azar: ah, ok |
| 04:56.44 | mborohovski5 | trave11er: true, but once i get everything setup ill probably setup a laptop howto for this thing, because i think im one of the first to actually semi-set this up, since its brand new. |
| 04:56.48 | aFlag | i already compiled it and runned with the change and all worked fine |
| 04:56.50 | jasoncohen | i get this message in cfdisk- " FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 8: enlarged logical partitions overlap. Press any key to exit cfdisk |
| 04:56.53 | aFlag | but i can't make the package |
| 04:56.54 | Azar | iratsu, it seems that nvidia installer is breaking package dependencies |
| 04:56.55 | jasoncohen | but i only have 7 partitions on hda |
| 04:56.56 | initech | rjordan: any firewall rules? (iptables --list) ? |
| 04:56.59 | trave11er | mborohovski5: excellent |
| 04:57.01 | mborohovski5 | trave11er: yeah, try and get the d-i peeps to get a 2.6.11 image out |
| 04:57.03 | supsup | now I put in kdm and the screen blinks some but goes right back to the command line. |
| 04:57.04 | jasoncohen | woops, nevermind |
| 04:57.14 | jasoncohen | /dev/hda8 2141 2857 5759239+ 83 Linux |
| 04:57.16 | supsup | how do I set it up again |
| 04:57.17 | jasoncohen | what's with the +? |
| 04:57.22 | mborohovski5 | now, i just have to get each individual part working, heh |
| 04:57.35 | mborohovski5 | i.e. nv, sonypi, alsa, etc |
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| 04:57.42 | rjordan | initech, iptables isn't runing |
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| 04:58.01 | aFlag | doesn't dpkg-buildpackage work when you alter the package? |
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| 04:58.42 | initech | rjordan: try tcptraceroute nameserver 53 ... |
| 04:58.49 | daesotho | you prolly need to change the version number in the debian/changelog |
| 04:59.04 | initech | rjordan: this has got to be something dumb, damnit :) |
| 04:59.14 | bob2 | aFlag: sure it does |
| 04:59.22 | valdyn | !tell supsup about troubleshooting x |
| 04:59.37 | daesotho | i always just put gaim in ~/gaim_root |
| 04:59.45 | mborohovski5 | haha, apparently i didnt even compile in module unloading support |
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| 04:59.47 | daesotho | and create a menu in ~/.menu |
| 04:59.51 | mborohovski5 | i was just anxious to get this to work |
| 04:59.55 | mborohovski5 | and it does |
| 04:59.57 | mborohovski5 | heh |
| 05:00.03 | daesotho | and a launch script in ~/bin |
| 05:00.14 | deadcat | i have this vcd with 2 lang i guess. how do i use the second lang instead of default korean? in xine? |
| 05:00.33 | rjordan | initech, umm, traceroute: unknown protocol icmp ??? |
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| 05:00.46 | initech | rjordan: "tcptraceroute" |
| 05:00.59 | rjordan | initech, I don't have that :( |
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| 05:01.03 | daesotho | deadcat: i know the right click menu in mplayer can do that... |
| 05:01.15 | deadcat | daesotho: ok thanks. let me try mplayer then |
| 05:01.24 | deadcat | daesotho: no clue what they talking about. (= |
| 05:01.36 | initech | rjordan: apt-get ... ? |
| 05:01.37 | ultraviolet16 | hi everybody.. i just installed xfce and want to use it.. |
| 05:01.47 | daesotho | are you korean? |
| 05:01.54 | deadcat | daesotho: no |
| 05:01.55 | daesotho | my dance teacher is korean |
| 05:01.56 | ultraviolet16 | how do i change the login manager to use xfce? |
| 05:02.09 | daesotho | so is everybody else in my dance class |
| 05:02.18 | daesotho | except the pakistani girl |
| 05:02.19 | initech | ultraviolet16: choose it in the menu? |
| 05:02.20 | deadcat | daesotho: exotic dance? |
| 05:02.24 | rjordan | initech, brb, gotta switch KVM if I'm to bring the interface down to switch to dhcp |
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| 05:02.31 | mborohovski5 | woo fucking hoo |
| 05:02.35 | daesotho | and the american girl, li kerry |
| 05:02.42 | ultraviolet16 | i think it needs its own login thing like kdm and gdm |
| 05:02.54 | ultraviolet16 | i need to change to xfcm? |
| 05:03.03 | initech | ultraviolet16: no, it doesn't |
| 05:03.12 | daesotho | no just a general art class for my uni's gened requirements |
| 05:03.22 | ultraviolet16 | well i logged out and i tried changing the session |
| 05:03.25 | initech | ultraviolet16: you can log in to any wm/desktop from kdm or gdm ... |
| 05:03.25 | ultraviolet16 | it wasn't an option |
| 05:03.40 | deadcat | daesotho: cool. what uni? |
| 05:03.41 | ultraviolet16 | by changing the session? |
| 05:03.47 | daesotho | umass amherst |
| 05:03.49 | daesotho | hehe |
| 05:03.57 | deadcat | nice |
| 05:03.58 | daesotho | though the class is a umb |
| 05:04.02 | daesotho | *at |
| 05:04.49 | egg|sonic | ? |
| 05:04.53 | egg|sonic | hi |
| 05:05.11 | ultraviolet16 | initech: by changing the session? |
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| 05:06.57 | supsup | I reconfigured with xf86config, but KDM still does the same thing |
| 05:07.07 | supsup | blinks the screen some |
| 05:07.11 | supsup | but doesn't start |
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| 05:08.28 | ultraviolet16 | sup sup, in the terminal type X and then see what the error is |
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| 05:09.08 | rjordan | initech, that's odd, it wanted to add some dns library or another when I went to add tcptraceroute...hrm... |
| 05:09.25 | prism | when i type "fdisk -l" i get nothing. Could someone help? |
| 05:09.42 | aFlag | what's that +0400 or -0100 on the author's name changelog? |
| 05:09.58 | Azar | prism, just out of curiosity, did you played with that interactive tutorial I gave you? |
| 05:10.07 | aFlag | on changelog's author's name and date line |
| 05:10.18 | prism | not yet..... |
| 05:10.35 | rjordan | aFlag, probably time adjusted from UTC |
| 05:10.37 | Azar | prism you should it tells you all you need to know |
| 05:10.50 | prism | what's the link again? |
| 05:10.50 | aFlag | oh |
| 05:10.56 | Azar | prism sure |
| 05:11.08 | nomed^ | i hope someone can help me on understanding this .. I cant get any prompt or any error during boot .. |
| 05:11.11 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 05:11.16 | prism | thanks |
| 05:11.22 | Azar | you will have fun |
| 05:11.24 | iratsu | Azar: i tried to do what the how-to instructed but now i get (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 05:11.44 | Azar | iratsu, since you are in sid... |
| 05:11.53 | Azar | iratsu, did you compile your own kernel? |
| 05:12.01 | iratsu | Azar: no |
| 05:12.03 | nomed^ | maybe you know some tricks to understand this .. because i really can't .. |
| 05:12.07 | Azar | oh |
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| 05:12.30 | supsup | =\ had to install x-window-system-core too, I think it'll work after that. ^_^ |
| 05:12.37 | iratsu | Azar: i used kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 05:12.38 | Cyano-Mobile | woot |
| 05:12.48 | Cyano-Mobile | linux laptop with mobile internet |
| 05:12.53 | Azar | iratsu, after you install nvidia, you need to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and make sure you get "nvidia" module instead of "nv" |
| 05:13.00 | nomed^ | iratsu, how did you compile the driver? |
| 05:13.08 | iratsu | Azar: yes, i did that |
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| 05:13.32 | iratsu | Azar: that didn't change my XF86Config-4 file though, so i changed it there manually |
| 05:13.41 | nomed^ | iratsu, are you using a debian kernel-image? |
| 05:13.43 | Azar | OH NO! |
| 05:13.52 | iratsu | nomed^: yes |
| 05:13.55 | Azar | no no no no no |
| 05:14.04 | iratsu | Azar: no? |
| 05:14.04 | Azar | ok |
| 05:14.07 | nomed^ | did you compile the driver? |
| 05:14.12 | iratsu | nomed^: yes |
| 05:14.18 | aFlag | i think the problem was the changelog thing :) |
| 05:14.25 | nomed^ | try modprobe -v nvidia .. |
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| 05:14.35 | nomed^ | just to see the output .. |
| 05:14.38 | iratsu | nomed^: no output |
| 05:14.44 | Azar | you cannot manually correct or you can but ... read the XF86Config-4 file in the top they tell you how to proceed with md5 sum |
| 05:14.49 | nomed^ | modinfo nvidia |
| 05:14.53 | Azar | iratsu do what the file tells you |
| 05:15.17 | nomed^ | ? |
| 05:15.26 | Azar | next time do not modify the file, just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:15.40 | nomed^ | iratsu, have any output with modinfo nvidia? |
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| 05:15.47 | iratsu | Azar: well that's waht i did but the file didn't change at all |
| 05:15.53 | iratsu | nomed^: yep, sec |
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| 05:16.10 | iratsu | nomed^: http://rafb.net/paste/results/h6LSUH64.html |
| 05:16.12 | Azar | iratsu because you previously manually changed the file |
| 05:16.19 | iratsu | Azar: i see |
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| 05:16.41 | nomed^ | grep RIVA /boot/config<tab> ? |
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| 05:17.41 | nomed^ | and iratsu have you /dev/nvidia0 ? |
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| 05:17.59 | nomed^ | the module looks fine .. |
| 05:18.10 | iratsu | nomed^: yes i have a nomed^ |
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| 05:18.29 | rjordan | initech, seems to just time out on all the hops. |
| 05:18.34 | iratsu | nomed^: CONFIG_IPV6_PRIVACY=y, CONFIG_FB_RIVA=m, CONFIG_FB_RIVA_I2C=y, CONFIG_FB_RIVA_DEBUG=y |
| 05:18.54 | nomed^ | lsmod ... have you something related to riva ? |
| 05:19.15 | iratsu | nomed^: nope |
| 05:19.43 | nomed^ | and nvidia module? |
| 05:19.53 | nomed^ | try also insmod /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko |
| 05:20.01 | iratsu | nvidia 3711620 0 |
| 05:20.01 | iratsu | agpgart 34600 2 via_agp,nvidia |
| 05:20.18 | iratsu | insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko': -1 File exists |
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| 05:20.28 | nomed^ | via_agp i don't think is needed |
| 05:20.36 | nomed^ | try to put it in blacklist |
| 05:20.36 | bigbill52a | how i would i find out what progran in the background is causing a pause every 2 or 3 seconds |
| 05:20.52 | iratsu | nomed^: eh, how do i do that? |
| 05:21.31 | nomed^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.43 | supsup | how do you uninstall things |
| 05:21.54 | deadcat | supsup: apt-get remove pkg |
| 05:22.01 | iratsu | ok |
| 05:22.15 | iratsu | i'm gonna restart X and see if there's any difference |
| 05:22.19 | iratsu | brb |
| 05:22.33 | nomed^ | rmmod via_agp |
| 05:22.38 | nomed^ | :/ |
| 05:23.06 | rjordan | initech, any more ideas? |
| 05:23.36 | supsup | KDE won't let me go higher than 800x600, although I specified 1280x1024 in xf86config |
| 05:24.09 | xoz | bigbill52a: top |
| 05:26.02 | nomed^ | I cant get any prompt or any error during boot ... do you know how i can have some debug to understand this strange behavior |
| 05:26.18 | nomed^ | it's a debian i have in another partition ... |
| 05:26.22 | toresbe | !gentoo |
| 05:26.23 | dpkg | gentoo is probably a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice |
| 05:27.11 | tabris|away | !greenhouse |
| 05:27.11 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 05:29.20 | rjordan | that's crap, I use gentoo for my desktop and it works wonderfully. more so then Debian I might add. plus you don't need to recompile everything any more then debian does if you use a package repository, |
| 05:29.29 | supsup | KDE won't let me go higher than 800x600, although I specified 1280x1024 in xf86config |
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| 05:29.57 | liable | supsup: restarted x? |
| 05:30.38 | bucky | !badgersmite rjordan |
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| 05:31.01 | rjordan | bucky, lol. |
| 05:32.08 | iratsu | nomed^, Azar: still no luck |
| 05:32.19 | nomed^ | lsmod .. via_agp? |
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| 05:32.42 | iratsu | nomed^: i noticed something while i tried to load X though |
| 05:33.04 | hejux | hi why debian cost 98% of the ram?i just running firefox totem |
| 05:33.06 | hejux | and |
| 05:33.09 | hejux | xchat |
| 05:33.15 | iratsu | nomed^: something about different driver versions. i didn't write it down because i thought it would be in the X log but it's not there |
| 05:33.36 | iratsu | nomed^: i'm gonna reproduce it and write down waht it said |
| 05:33.48 | iratsu | nomed^: brb |
| 05:33.50 | nomed^ | iratsu, are you using same nvida-glx and nvidia driver? |
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| 05:34.04 | iratsu | nomed^: uhh how can i find out? |
| 05:34.28 | nomed^ | dpkg -l nvida-glx |
| 05:34.28 | dpkg | ii nvida-glx 2.6-2.3 nomed^'s private porn collection |
| 05:34.44 | iratsu | No packages found matching nvida-glx. |
| 05:34.51 | nomed^ | o0 |
| 05:35.06 | nomed^ | apt-get install .. |
| 05:35.31 | iratsu | oh |
| 05:35.32 | iratsu | typo |
| 05:35.45 | iratsu | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.7174-3 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 05:36.06 | nomed^ | ohh sorry nvidia .. |
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| 05:36.45 | nomed^ | now check the nvidia sources .. |
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| 05:37.29 | supsup | KDE won't let me go higher than 800x600, although I specified 1280x1024 in xf86config. yeah, I restarted X, same thing. |
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| 05:38.01 | nomed^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.14 | supsup | xf86config |
| 05:38.18 | iratsu | nomed^: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel? |
| 05:38.53 | nomed^ | you should have a pkge kernel-module nvida |
| 05:38.58 | RProgrammer | I know it sounds wierd, but humor me, could someone please send me a file from their [debian] X11 partition with the name "/usr/share/fonts/fonts.cache-1" |
| 05:39.07 | iratsu | nomed^: ii nvidia-kernel- 1.0.7174-3 NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 05:39.24 | lim_x | nomed^: about you question; do you mean you never get to the bootloader? |
| 05:39.40 | nomed^ | iratsu, try module-asistant auto-install nvidia |
| 05:39.52 | iratsu | nomed^: i think there might be a conflict with the driver i installed from the nvidia site |
| 05:40.08 | nomed^ | lim_x, no i get it .. i can boot . |
| 05:40.22 | nomed^ | iratsu, unistall them .. |
| 05:40.27 | iratsu | nomed^: i did |
| 05:40.33 | rjordan | Can't anybody help me? |
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| 05:40.41 | iratsu | nomed^: Warning, /usr/src/linux seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!1 |
| 05:41.01 | iratsu | nomed^: Warning, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.7 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source! |
| 05:41.15 | lim_x | nomed^: so where does it fail? what do mean with "can't get any prompt"? no login terminal? |
| 05:41.21 | nomed^ | yes .. you need to point it to headers .. |
| 05:41.42 | nomed^ | when starting runlevels scripts .. |
| 05:42.05 | nomed^ | at one point it just stop .. doesn't metter the Sx .. |
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| 05:42.45 | nomed^ | i tryed also to use just S02mountvirtfs and S04udev |
| 05:42.51 | supsup | how do setup make? |
| 05:42.59 | iratsu | nomed^: source or headers? |
| 05:43.16 | nomed^ | you're using a precompiled kernel so headers .. |
| 05:43.43 | iratsu | nomed^: ok, then what? |
| 05:43.50 | myren | !marillat |
| 05:43.50 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 05:43.57 | iratsu | nomed^: module-assistant again? |
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| 05:43.59 | nomed^ | module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 05:44.00 | myren | word, sorry for the !triger, my bad |
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| 05:44.33 | iratsu | nomed^: still get Warning, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.7 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source! |
| 05:44.52 | iratsu | nomed^: that's not my kernel version btw |
| 05:44.58 | RProgrammer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.59 | lim_x | nomed^: too fast! you just don't see console output on tty0? you see /sbin/init starting after the kernel is loaded? or it breaks somewhere in an init.d script? |
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| 05:45.09 | nomed^ | ls -l /usr/src/linux .. |
| 05:45.30 | iratsu | nomed^: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 26 2005-06-18 02:05 /usr/src/linux -> kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 05:46.46 | nomed^ | try to unpack again the nvidia-source .. |
| 05:46.52 | nomed^ | or to clean them .. |
| 05:47.00 | deadcat | !nvidida one-liner |
| 05:47.12 | egg|sonic | nvidia-source is ... |
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| 05:48.26 | iratsu | nomed^: hmm how do i clean them? |
| 05:48.32 | nomed^ | nvidia-kernel-source ... |
| 05:48.52 | iratsu | just remove and install again? |
| 05:49.06 | nomed^ | iratsu, try to read the man module-assistant .. |
| 05:49.42 | nomed^ | they are in /usr/src/module .. |
| 05:50.33 | nomed^ | lim_x, it breaks somewhere in an init.d script |
| 05:50.43 | deadcat | iratsu: just apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` nvidia source module-assistant; then m-a a-i nvidia-kernel |
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| 05:51.45 | iratsu | deadcat: yea i did that |
| 05:51.49 | nomed^ | i can have a prompt just removing everything in rc2.d and rcS.d .. :/ |
| 05:52.16 | supsup | what's the linux source directory? |
| 05:52.17 | iratsu | deadcat: still get the same warning about /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.7, which is not the kernel i'm using |
| 05:52.41 | supsup | rather, where's the linux source directory |
| 05:53.04 | deadcat | iratsu: of cource now. the kernel-source has nothing to do with your current kernel. just get the headers file. and rm /usr/src/linux |
| 05:53.17 | deadcat | supsup: if you mean the kernel source, then /usr/src |
| 05:53.19 | iratsu | deadcat: yes i did that already |
| 05:53.34 | lim_x | nomed^: ok! so the entire system just dies? No error at all (/var/log/messages)? Can you get into single-user-mode? |
| 05:53.37 | iratsu | deadcat: and i created a symlink to the headers |
| 05:53.40 | deadcat | iratsu: do you have /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` ? |
| 05:53.47 | iratsu | iratsu: yes |
| 05:53.50 | deadcat | iratsu: dont symlink |
| 05:53.51 | iratsu | err |
| 05:53.57 | iratsu | deadcat: oh? |
| 05:53.57 | concept10 | I have a Celeron 333mhz with 512mb of ram, would that make a decent server? |
| 05:54.08 | deadcat | concept10: yes |
| 05:54.19 | caphuso | concept10: depends on what you plan to do with it |
| 05:54.40 | nomed^ | lim_x, i can just have the prompt removing all the Sx in rcS rc2 no errors in messages .. and single-user-mode the same .. |
| 05:54.42 | supsup | says /usr/src is incomplete or missing. It wants the Linux source directory |
| 05:54.51 | iratsu | deadcat: still get the same warning |
| 05:55.09 | concept10 | I just want to make a test server so I may learn to setup dns, sendmail, apache, php, etc. |
| 05:55.23 | deadcat | concept10: sure enough |
| 05:55.24 | caphuso | concept10: then it's plenty |
| 05:55.27 | deadcat | iratsu: what error? |
| 05:55.40 | deadcat | ^error^warning |
| 05:55.55 | iratsu | deadcat: Warning, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.7 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source! |
| 05:56.02 | nomed^ | iratsu, uname -r ? |
| 05:56.16 | iratsu | nomed^: 2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 05:56.24 | deadcat | iratsu: and you are using m-a to compile nvidia right? |
| 05:56.26 | nomed^ | that's really strange .. |
| 05:56.27 | supsup | says /usr/src is incomplete or missing. It wants the Linux source directory |
| 05:56.31 | concept10 | Also is it a good idea to run drives through a IDE PCI card? (I want to add more drives) |
| 05:56.35 | iratsu | deadcat: yes |
| 05:57.03 | nomed^ | iratsu, man module-assistant |
| 05:57.05 | nomed^ | -k source/headers directory |
| 05:57.11 | deadcat | iratsu: m-a -k /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` -t build nvidia-kernel |
| 05:57.41 | iratsu | /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.11-1-k7_1.0.7174-3+2.6.11-6_i386.deb already exists, not rebuilding! |
| 05:57.55 | deadcat | iratsu: then use it. or remove it |
| 05:57.58 | manthiz | anybody knows the proper method to merge a custom menu with debian menu when using fluxbox? |
| 05:58.00 | nomed^ | move it somewhere |
| 05:58.07 | supsup | says /usr/src is incomplete or missing. Says the same /usr/src/linux. /usr/src is empty. It wants the Linux source directory |
| 05:58.11 | iratsu | i'll try installing it |
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| 05:58.31 | deadcat | supsup: what the hell you trying to compile? |
| 05:58.36 | iratsu | ok, it installed |
| 05:58.38 | iratsu | what now? |
| 05:58.44 | nomed^ | supsup, you haven't the sources .. |
| 05:58.55 | nomed^ | iratsu, dpkg -i ... |
| 05:58.56 | deadcat | iratsu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:59.04 | iratsu | nomed^: i did that |
| 05:59.11 | iratsu | deadcat: ok |
| 05:59.18 | iratsu | i'l brb then |
| 05:59.19 | nomed^ | modprobe -v nvidia ... ? |
| 05:59.21 | bigbill52a | i am running top...how can i tell which program is causing the interrupt every 2 or 3 seconds |
| 05:59.26 | deadcat | iratsu: also echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
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| 05:59.33 | nomed^ | and rmmod via_agp .. |
| 05:59.48 | iratsu | nomed^: insmod /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko |
| 05:59.59 | liable | !rmmod |
| 06:00.04 | deadcat | dpkg is dead |
| 06:00.05 | supsup | ;( how do I get them? I'm trying to get a wireless USB LAN adapter to work with Linux WLAN NG 0.2.0. |
| 06:00.09 | iratsu | nomed^: ERROR: Module via_agp is in use |
| 06:00.10 | supsup | and it wants em |
| 06:00.16 | deadcat | liable: else we just give hime !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:00.21 | supsup | is there a better way to do that |
| 06:00.22 | liable | right |
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| 06:00.43 | nomed^ | iratsu, if it still doesn't work try to reboot .. |
| 06:00.57 | nomed^ | you added via_agp in black list .. |
| 06:01.06 | deadcat | iratsu: config your X before reboot |
| 06:01.14 | iratsu | ok, thanks nomed^ and deadcat for everything |
| 06:01.17 | nomed^ | and add also riva_fb .. |
| 06:01.31 | iratsu | why riva_fb? |
| 06:02.07 | nomed^ | it conflicts with the fb nvidia uses |
| 06:02.19 | lim_x | nomed^: you mean one of the rcS.d/S* scripts always causes your system to break; and it is not always caused by the same script? what is the symptom? Screen goes black, system hangs, reboot, poweroff? |
| 06:02.32 | Langly1 | which boot floppies do i need to use for firing up the netinstall cd on a system that doesnt boot from cd-rom |
| 06:03.01 | bob2 | MODPROBE |
| 06:03.13 | bob2 | insmod is what your greatgreatgreatgreat grandmother used to load modules on linux |
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| 06:03.50 | toresbe | hehe |
| 06:03.54 | nomed^ | lim_x, it can be .. but i tryed to reboot a lot of time .. removing each time a new Sx .. to find it (not really elegant .. but ..) .. and now i have just S02mountvirtfs and S04udev .. :/ |
| 06:04.05 | toresbe | when she loaded it from her paper tapes |
| 06:04.16 | bob2 | yes, exactly |
| 06:04.25 | Hesiod | greetings all...on an old IBM Thinkpad 560...I have been trying to boot ot no framebuffer...tried: vga=normal, video=vesa:off, erc etc...it NEVER works |
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| 06:04.30 | bob2 | back when the kernel was written in fortran and pdp-11 assembler |
| 06:04.45 | Hesiod | I started svgatextmode and now I can't get a console :? |
| 06:04.53 | bob2 | reboot |
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| 06:04.59 | Hesiod | no doce |
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| 06:05.21 | Hesiod | I have rebooted 20 times...I used the ramfs rescue disc |
| 06:05.37 | Hesiod | the rescue dik borks on a reiserfs root fs |
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| 06:06.22 | toresbe | yeah |
| 06:06.23 | supsup | Does anyone know a way to get a wireless USB internet adapter up without rebuilding the kernel? |
| 06:06.24 | egg|sonic | pdp assembler is good ^^ |
| 06:06.26 | Hesiod | so I can't even mount root and delete /etc/default/STM_nocheckfb |
| 06:06.30 | toresbe | yes it is :) |
| 06:06.37 | egg|sonic | vax too |
| 06:06.43 | toresbe | yeah, vax is nice |
| 06:06.47 | myren | how do i add a user to a group? |
| 06:06.51 | toresbe | I like the Norsk Data archs too |
| 06:06.55 | Hesiod | adduser user group |
| 06:06.57 | bob2 | supsup: why would you rebuild the kernel for that? |
| 06:06.59 | egg|sonic | 32 bit classical |
| 06:07.00 | nomed^ | ahh lim_x not black screen .. nothing special .. just when i expect the prompt i don't get anything |
| 06:07.18 | bob2 | supsup: just build the module for it |
| 06:07.34 | egg|sonic | like Ada language ^^ |
| 06:08.19 | egg|sonic | looking at Minix book... |
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| 06:08.26 | bluefox83 | ok, i'm going to try this again, can anyone walk me through setting up my machine to be used as a gateway to the internet? |
| 06:08.43 | bluefox83 | or, point me to a how-to |
| 06:08.50 | toresbe | egg|sonic: I have a PDP-11 next to my desk :) |
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| 06:09.07 | bob2 | bluefox83: install sarge. install ipmasq. enjoy! |
| 06:09.12 | egg|sonic | unix source code in books ^^ |
| 06:09.19 | bluefox83 | ipmasq? |
| 06:09.19 | supsup | How do I build the module? The readme only talks about building the kernel. I'm using the stuff from linux-wlan.org. Do I not need to do that? |
| 06:09.23 | bob2 | or the Lions book |
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| 06:09.39 | deadcat | supsup: what chipset is the card? |
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| 06:09.48 | iratsu | i'm back =\ |
| 06:09.57 | egg|sonic | version-7 |
| 06:09.58 | lim_x | nomed^: ok; so the last messages are still visible on the screen? Have you checked /etc/inittab if you actually start getty? Is this a normal debian system? Just installed or a sudden problem (sorry if you already said that before)? |
| 06:10.01 | iratsu | this is the error i get: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 0.7174.0, but the X module is version 1.0.6629. Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version. |
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| 06:10.50 | bluefox83 | bob2, how does ip masquarading make my system a gateway? |
| 06:10.55 | myren | there's some sort of console loggin on the X root window? |
| 06:10.57 | bob2 | bluefox83: no |
| 06:10.58 | myren | how do i display that info? |
| 06:11.03 | bob2 | bluefox83: your question was wrong, I suspect |
| 06:11.09 | bob2 | bluefox83: unless you really do have a subnet |
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| 06:11.32 | bluefox83 | bob2, all that's connecting to the net via thsi machine is my ps2 |
| 06:11.34 | bluefox83 | *this |
| 06:11.41 | furrywolf | *yawn* tired. |
| 06:11.45 | supsup | How do I build the module? The readme only talks about building the kernel. I'm using the stuff from linux-wlan.org. Do I not need to do that? |
| 06:12.24 | deadcat | supsup: what chipset? |
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| 06:13.22 | bluefox83 | bob2, i fail to see why you told me to install ipmasq |
| 06:13.35 | bob2 | bluefox83: awesome |
| 06:13.48 | iratsu | deadcat, nomed^: any idea why my X module is not the right version? |
| 06:14.11 | bluefox83 | are there any compitant people in here who would like to assist me in configuring my machine to be a gateway? |
| 06:14.20 | bob2 | bluefox83: I said that because it seems like you want to run NAT |
| 06:14.22 | bob2 | ahahaha |
| 06:14.26 | bob2 | do you mean "competent" |
| 06:14.28 | Langly1 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2530695 WHICH ruddy floppy images though |
| 06:14.35 | bluefox83 | yeah.. |
| 06:14.40 | bluefox83 | why would i want to run NAT? |
| 06:14.48 | bob2 | because you only have one IP address? |
| 06:14.48 | supsup | deadcat: nForce 3 |
| 06:15.14 | bluefox83 | bob2, i'm on a cable connection...i have a dynamic ip |
| 06:15.17 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, 'cos Source NAT == Masquerade == Gateway |
| 06:15.29 | bob2 | well, not really |
| 06:15.37 | bob2 | but for bluefox83's purposes |
| 06:15.42 | bob2 | bluefox83: then you need to use NAT |
| 06:15.46 | bob2 | bluefox83: install ipmasq on the gateway machine |
| 06:15.52 | bluefox83 | i just did |
| 06:15.53 | dushtabuddhi | bob2, yes - for all practical purposes :D |
| 06:15.58 | deadcat | supsup: the wireless card is nforce3? |
| 06:16.19 | Langly1 | I'm getting a little heated, cant find the floppy images I need, the guide is uber vauge |
| 06:16.21 | bluefox83 | i still fail to see why the hell that'll make it a gateway |
| 06:16.32 | caphuso | bluefox83: define gateway |
| 06:16.43 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, wot exactly u want to do ? |
| 06:16.45 | liable | Langly1: you have a cdrom, but cant boot it? |
| 06:16.47 | supsup | no no, it's a wireless USB adapter. My mobo chipset is nForce 3. The adapter is a D-Link DWL-G132 |
| 06:16.57 | concept10 | I keep getting error saying that the debian installer cant load installer components from CD. Suggestions anyone? |
| 06:16.57 | Langly1 | liable no bios boot from cd-rom, older laptop |
| 06:17.07 | bluefox83 | caphuso, i want my ps2 to be able to connect to the internet by connecting it's network adapter to my machine's second network card |
| 06:17.12 | Langly1 | need to find the floppy images i need for sarge, and getting pissed |
| 06:17.12 | liable | Langly1: ok, but it has one though? |
| 06:17.19 | Langly1 | yeah |
| 06:17.27 | caphuso | bluefox83: so you have no fucking idea what a gateway is, but call bob2 incompetent |
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| 06:17.48 | bluefox83 | caphuso, that is a gateway |
| 06:17.50 | ricochet | how do I know what /dev my serial port is? |
| 06:17.50 | caphuso | bluefox83: now, do what bob2 told you and shut the fuck up |
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| 06:17.59 | bluefox83 | caphuso, i did install it already |
| 06:18.04 | bob2 | ricochet: ttyS0, usually |
| 06:18.20 | bob2 | bluefox83: now point the ps2 at it |
| 06:18.21 | deadcat | supsup: ok. cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`, make sure you have kernel-headers-`uname -r` installed, ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` build && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` source, then untar then file and make config |
| 06:18.27 | caphuso | bluefox83: 50% of the mission accomplished. now all that's left is the shutting up part |
| 06:18.53 | bluefox83 | bob2, do i need to change any internal ip's or anything? what address do i point it at? |
| 06:19.11 | bluefox83 | change any packet forwarding settings? |
| 06:19.14 | ricochet | bob2, is ttyS0 also my parallel port? |
| 06:19.18 | bob2 | ricochet: no |
| 06:19.26 | bob2 | bluefox83: at the internal interface |
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| 06:19.54 | bluefox83 | bob2, internal interface for what? the ps2 or the ipmasq? |
| 06:20.21 | ricochet | bob2, ok. How might I check if there is data coming into it? should cat /dev/ttyS0 spit out stuff if there is data coming in? |
| 06:20.32 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, read this up http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 06:20.45 | liable | Langly1: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ get boot, root, cd-drivers |
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| 06:20.59 | Langly1 | liable thx |
| 06:21.11 | bob2 | bluefox83: ? |
| 06:21.15 | Langly1 | the guide didnt say squat and digging all over the ftps turned up nothing |
| 06:21.21 | bob2 | bluefox83: do you know how to configure the ps2's gateway? |
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| 06:21.26 | bob2 | ricochet: I think so |
| 06:21.26 | ricochet | bob2: i'm trying to get my GPS communicating |
| 06:21.39 | iratsu | deadcat: do you have any idea concerning the version mismatch problem? |
| 06:21.41 | lim_x | ricochet: you want "cat </dev/ttyS0" and yes, it will show incoming data; you might want to pipe it into a hexviewer, if it is binary. |
| 06:21.42 | poonj | hey guys |
| 06:21.45 | poonj | if I have a pdf file |
| 06:21.45 | liable | Langly1: look in here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
| 06:21.53 | poonj | which tool could I use to "decrease" the quality of it? |
| 06:22.06 | myren | is there any way to set processor affinity? i want a process to only run on one cpu |
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| 06:22.11 | Langly1 | 2.2.1. Floppies |
| 06:22.11 | Langly1 | In some cases, you'll have to do your first boot from floppy disks. Generally, all you will need is a high-density (1440 kilobytes) 3.5 inch floppy drive. |
| 06:22.12 | liable | Langly1: thats for i386 too, change to whatever is appropriate |
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| 06:22.23 | Langly1 | Thats where i was before :P |
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| 06:22.42 | liable | Langly1: go to the section about getting installation media |
| 06:22.50 | Langly1 | k, thx |
| 06:22.56 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, wot happened ? |
| 06:22.57 | supsup | deadcat: thanks. How do I install the kernel headers? my /usr/src folder is empty ;( |
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| 06:23.06 | dondelelcaro | myren: the processor figures that out for you. It generally does a good job. |
| 06:23.10 | dondelelcaro | s/processor/kernel/ |
| 06:23.14 | kpg | i just installed sarge on my machine...everything except sound works fine |
| 06:23.16 | bluefox83 | huh? i was looking at that tutorial |
| 06:23.25 | bluefox83 | bob2, ps2's gateway? |
| 06:23.32 | kpg | i have a brookdale chipset |
| 06:23.34 | dushtabuddhi | supsup, apt-get install linux-kernel-headers |
| 06:23.42 | kpg | and alsa 1.0.7 installed |
| 06:23.44 | bluefox83 | i know how to tell it where to look, if that's what you mean |
| 06:23.45 | dondelelcaro | kpg: did you load the appropriate driver? |
| 06:24.03 | kpg | the problem is that i get only mute sound, or max volume |
| 06:24.04 | ricochet | lim_x, ok. nothing is being printed sooo.. i'll just play around with it some more.. |
| 06:24.06 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, let's walk it over! what's your external interface ? |
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| 06:24.32 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, external interface? |
| 06:24.38 | dondelelcaro | kpg: so sound is working, but the volume isn't? Did you join the audio group? Have you used alsa-mixer? |
| 06:24.38 | kpg | dondelelcaro, lsmod shows me all alsa modules snd_* correctly installed |
| 06:24.47 | kpg | i used alsamixer |
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| 06:24.58 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, internet connected to eth0/ppp0 ... what ? |
| 06:25.04 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, eth0 |
| 06:25.12 | dondelelcaro | kpg: what is the output of id; |
| 06:25.14 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, ps2 connected to eth1 ? |
| 06:25.19 | bluefox83 | yes |
| 06:25.48 | kpg | i just added myself to the audio group |
| 06:26.06 | dondelelcaro | kpg: then you'll need to logout and log back in, then try to play with the mixer settings again. |
| 06:26.11 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, do this -> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 06:26.13 | dushtabuddhi | as root |
| 06:26.20 | kpg | dondelelcaro, hang on |
| 06:27.11 | bluefox83 | iptables v1.2.11: Can't use -i with POSTROUTING |
| 06:27.11 | bluefox83 | Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. |
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| 06:27.32 | lim_x | ricochet: ttyS0 is com1, ttyS1 com2 ... if ascii data is sent into the com port, you'll see it; you can fiddle with the com port settings (baud rate, stop bits, parity, ...) using 'stty', but you might have to read lot's of docs on that... |
| 06:28.02 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, oops change that -i eth1 to -o eth0 |
| 06:28.23 | myren | !non-free |
| 06:28.23 | dpkg | somebody said non-free was always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
| 06:28.37 | myren | i thought non free was now dead? |
| 06:28.45 | overrider | what is a nice and fast display card which is supported by sarge out of the box (well, without making your own kernel etc) ? |
| 06:28.45 | dondelelcaro | myren: no, that's non us. |
| 06:28.46 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, nothing was spit out.. |
| 06:28.47 | myren | oh that was non-us |
| 06:28.49 | myren | right, thank |
| 06:28.50 | supsup | how do I get back to the main command line from KDM/GDM? It doesn't let me write to default-display-manager with kde |
| 06:29.02 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, great u must be done |
| 06:29.16 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, already? O.o |
| 06:29.19 | xoz | overrider: matrox? |
| 06:29.19 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, now check out on your sony ps2 |
| 06:29.22 | poonj | hey guys |
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| 06:29.38 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, k |
| 06:29.38 | myren | what pin should i use for experimental? i need a pin in /etc/apt/preferences to make sure it never gets used |
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| 06:29.44 | poonj | is 600dpi for a scan "too much" to insure a good quality print out? |
| 06:29.54 | poonj | or would 300 dpi or even 150dpi work? |
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| 06:30.10 | dondelelcaro | poonj: depends on the resolution of the output device. |
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| 06:30.23 | poonj | well, I have a 600dpi printer |
| 06:30.29 | poonj | I guess I'll go with 600dpi |
| 06:30.32 | dondelelcaro | poonj: then you probably want to scan at 600. |
| 06:30.36 | poonj | okay |
| 06:30.40 | poonj | thanks! |
| 06:30.57 | myren | i have no idea, wold this work; Pin: release a=experimental |
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| 06:31.21 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, didn't work |
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| 06:31.30 | kpg | dondelelcaro, kpg here |
| 06:31.53 | bluefox83 | i have the network configuration disk running on my ps2, all i have to do to test it is switch my monitor over to the ps2 |
| 06:32.12 | dondelelcaro | kpg: cool. If you changed the permisions on /dev/dsp0 and /dev/audio0; you're going to want to change them back. |
| 06:32.13 | vee_t | hiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 06:32.43 | vee_t | hiiiiiiiiiii |
| 06:32.50 | dondelelcaro | vee_t: no need to repeat. |
| 06:33.05 | deadcat | vee_t: shutup or i will kill you. (= |
| 06:33.09 | kpg | dondelelcaro, noatun works fine, but xmms still does not allow me to use the alsa output plugin |
| 06:33.14 | bucky | !tell vee_t about ask |
| 06:33.26 | deadcat | dpkg is down |
| 06:33.38 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 06:33.38 | dpkg | Since Mon Jun 13 03:38:16 2005, there have been 54 modifications, 3925 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1060 commands. I have been awake for 5d 2h 55m 24s this session, and currently reference 25699 factoids. I'm using about 16140 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1279.8/58.03 child 973.43/90.69 |
| 06:33.44 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, have u given the DNS etc correctly ? |
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| 06:34.04 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, i don't know what dns ect. to use! |
| 06:34.10 | bluefox83 | that's part of what i need help with |
| 06:34.10 | bucky | deadcat, .dpkg is ignoring you |
| 06:34.12 | dondelelcaro | kpg: hrm... does xmms show any devices in the alsa output configuration? |
| 06:34.21 | myren | how do you add morons to dpkg? ;) |
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| 06:34.33 | deadcat | bucky: damn. isnt working earlier. |
| 06:34.39 | kpg | dondelelcaro, yes.. |
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| 06:34.50 | dondelelcaro | kpg: and you've selected them? |
| 06:34.51 | cdc | i am currently using Sarge but i installed this one year back . So whas the difference between that and the one that got released some weeks back |
| 06:34.57 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, what settings u put on your Ps2 ? |
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| 06:35.03 | dondelelcaro | cdc: quite a bit. |
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| 06:35.19 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, i told it to use the automatic settings |
| 06:35.22 | kpg | dondelelcaro, yes, i've selected the default |
| 06:35.32 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, wow :) |
| 06:35.38 | bucky | !ignore deadcat |
| 06:35.40 | myren | damn, 10 megs of packages. :/ |
| 06:35.53 | deadcat | dpkg: you crazy bitch |
| 06:35.56 | dondelelcaro | kpg: ok... so what error does xmms give you? |
| 06:36.00 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, i figured since i don't know where to point it, i might as well check to see if the default stuff will work first |
| 06:36.11 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, are you running a dhcp server ? |
| 06:36.13 | kpg | dondelelcaro, no error now, just no sound |
| 06:36.22 | dondelelcaro | kpg: have you turned up the volume? |
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| 06:36.33 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, i don't know, how do i find out... (i think i am, but i'm not certain) |
| 06:36.33 | dushtabuddhi | and bluefox83, what debian are you running ? |
| 06:36.45 | bluefox83 | uhm..unstable |
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| 06:37.49 | kpg | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 06:37.55 | ce_imutz | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 06:38.25 | kpg | dondelelcaro, works now...selected software volume control |
| 06:38.34 | dondelelcaro | ce_imutz: uh, yes vee_t... we've seen that before. |
| 06:38.43 | bucky | ce_imutz, hi vee_t |
| 06:38.46 | supsup | I've installed the kernel headers but there's nothing under /usr/src. There's stuff under /lib/modules/2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 and I typed in ln -s /usr/src/2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 and that acted like it did something, but I don't know what. |
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| 06:39.05 | kpg | dondelelcaro, thanks for the help |
| 06:39.05 | ce_imutz | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii toooooooo |
| 06:39.14 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, when i run "ifconfig" i get listings for "lo: and "eth0" shouldn't i be getting something for eth1? |
| 06:39.23 | dushtabuddhi | obviously |
| 06:39.28 | bluefox83 | er, "lo" |
| 06:39.39 | bluefox83 | why am i not getting the listing? |
| 06:39.43 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: not if eth1 is down. |
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| 06:40.03 | bluefox83 | dondelelcaro, do i need to create a listing for eth1 or bring it up? |
| 06:40.12 | ricochet | lim_x: still nothing. /var/log/messages has this.. Jun 17 22:58:16 localhost kernel: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 06:40.14 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: yes. |
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| 06:40.31 | bluefox83 | how do i go about doing that? |
| 06:40.35 | bucky | !id |
| 06:40.35 | dpkg | somebody said id was 1d3nt1f1c4t10n |
| 06:40.53 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: ifup eth1; after adding the appropriate stanza to /etc/network/interfaces; |
| 06:40.56 | JeffH | anyone know how postfix constructs the mysql select to get the password? it's screwing up on my installation and keeping authentication from happening. |
| 06:41.26 | supsup | I've installed the kernel headers but there's nothing under /usr/src. There's stuff under /lib/modules/2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 and I typed in ln -s /usr/src/2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 and that acted like it did something, but I don't know what. |
| 06:41.43 | iratsu | I get the following error when i try to startx: "Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 0.7174.0, but the X module is version 1.0.6629. Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version." |
| 06:41.54 | iratsu | how can i fix this? |
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| 06:42.28 | dondelelcaro | iratsu: rebuild the kernel module, or install the old x module. |
| 06:42.36 | bluefox83 | you guys must really hate me, if you don't, you're going to: what do i put in /etc/network/interfaces? something that looks similar to eth0? |
| 06:42.58 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: a stanza appropriate to whatever eth1 is connected to. man 5 interfaces; for details. |
| 06:43.05 | iratsu | dondelelcaro: i already tried rebuilding the kernel module. what do you mean by installing the old x module? |
| 06:43.24 | iratsu | dondelelcaro: isn't it the x module which is outdated? |
| 06:43.27 | dondelelcaro | iratsu: you have to rebuild the kernel module that corresponds to the X module you have installed. |
| 06:43.44 | dondelelcaro | iratsu: 1.0.6629 >> 0.7174.0; so I'd assume not. |
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| 06:44.02 | supsup | I'm supposed to have something to untar -- I don't. I have some links in the main directory that say not found, that's all |
| 06:44.14 | iratsu | dondelelcaro: well how do i get 1.0.6629 then? |
| 06:44.27 | supsup | I'm trying to follow these instructions given by deadcat. ok. cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`, make sure you have kernel-headers-`uname -r` installed, ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` build && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` source, then untar then file and make config |
| 06:44.29 | dondelelcaro | iratsu: from whereever you got the X module. |
| 06:45.09 | iratsu | dondelelcaro: is nvidia-glx the x module? |
| 06:45.59 | dondelelcaro | iratsu: iirc, yes. |
| 06:46.09 | dondelelcaro | iratsu: they both should be 1.0.7174. |
| 06:46.25 | iratsu | dondelelcaro: well apt-cache policy tells me it's 1.0.7174 |
| 06:46.35 | ricochet | how do I set my serial port to be 4800 baud |
| 06:46.40 | bluefox83 | auto eth1 |
| 06:46.40 | bluefox83 | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 06:46.40 | dondelelcaro | iratsu: then reinstall nvidia-glx; and make sure its version is 1.0.7174-3 |
| 06:46.41 | iratsu | dondelelcaro: so i don't understand why i'm getting this error |
| 06:46.44 | bluefox83 | how does that look? |
| 06:47.04 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: does eth1 actually have an dhcp server on it? |
| 06:47.08 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, i guessed as much |
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| 06:47.18 | bluefox83 | ..i have no idea |
| 06:47.20 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, no you have to give a static ip address |
| 06:47.28 | liable | no, read /usr/share/doc/ifup-down/examples |
| 06:47.35 | supsup | I'm trying to follow these instructions given by deadcat. ok. cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`, make sure you have kernel-headers-`uname -r` installed, ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` build && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` source, then untar then file and make config |
| 06:47.40 | overrider | can anyone recommend a good video card for me? |
| 06:47.43 | supsup | I'm supposed to have something to untar -- I don't. I have some links in the main directory that say not found, that's all |
| 06:47.46 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, such as 192.168.0.0 ? |
| 06:47.49 | Langly1 | I'm going to scream, I really am |
| 06:47.52 | dondelelcaro | supsup: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 06:47.56 | Langly1 | 9/10's of my floppies are bad |
| 06:48.01 | Langly1 | havent used them in ages |
| 06:48.03 | Langly1 | heh |
| 06:48.05 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: that's not unusual. |
| 06:48.08 | iratsu | dondelelcaro: hmm i get errors trying to remove it |
| 06:48.17 | supsup | I'm trying to follow these instructions given by deadcat. ok. cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`, make sure you have kernel-headers-`uname -r` installed, ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` build && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` source, then untar then file and make config |
| 06:48.18 | Langly1 | getting a headache trying to find 4 good ones |
| 06:48.25 | supsup | To install a wireless USB adapter |
| 06:48.29 | myren | how do i apt-get install from a non-default repository? |
| 06:48.31 | dondelelcaro | supsup: those are the instructions that you were given. That's not what I asked. |
| 06:48.34 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, 192.168.0.1 would be better |
| 06:48.43 | dondelelcaro | supsup: so load the module corresponding to your wireless usb adapter. |
| 06:48.47 | iratsu | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/paste/results/J4IWiP69.html |
| 06:48.57 | myren | i want to apt-get install alsa-base from experimental (i need it for polypaudio) |
| 06:49.06 | iratsu | dondelelcaro: is there a way i can force it or something? |
| 06:49.14 | dondelelcaro | iratsu: --reinstall, not remove. |
| 06:49.16 | dushtabuddhi | Langly1, why r u using floppies ? |
| 06:49.29 | Langly1 | older laptop |
| 06:49.32 | dondelelcaro | myren: when you're ready to do that, you'll know how to do that. |
| 06:49.37 | Langly1 | has a cd-rom but doesnt boot from it |
| 06:49.40 | myren | jerfk |
| 06:49.53 | myren | no you're not, i take that back, but thats a jerk answer |
| 06:50.06 | supsup | how do I load the modules? Do I need to download that or is there one already? |
| 06:50.15 | iratsu | dondelelcaro: and that should be it? |
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| 06:50.22 | bluefox83 | dushtabuddhi, after reading the man page...i have no fucking clue how the stanzas should look or what to use.. |
| 06:50.31 | bluefox83 | all i know is the ip address to use |
| 06:50.47 | dondelelcaro | myren: in this case it's actually the truth. Things in experimental are there because they are not ready for general usage. When you're ready to use it, you'll know how to use packages from experimental. |
| 06:50.47 | myren | i just dont understand what my target release would be |
| 06:51.07 | dondelelcaro | myren: you don't set a target release. You install a specific version of the package from experimental. |
| 06:51.13 | myren | by magically guessing the targe release name |
| 06:51.17 | dushtabuddhi | bluefox83, put this ... sigh |
| 06:51.31 | myren | dondelelcaro: i know how to do that with aptitude, but aptitude has 291 MB of other crap i'd rather not wait all night on |
| 06:51.32 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: you want address 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 or similar. |
| 06:51.49 | myren | hence why i'm trying to apt-get install -t from experimental to update alsa- now |
| 06:51.58 | dondelelcaro | myren: then tell aptitude not to install the other crap that it wants to install, and just install that package. Or man apt-get and read about what = does. |
| 06:52.06 | liable | iface eth1 inet static |
| 06:52.09 | myren | but i do want to install that other crap |
| 06:52.10 | myren | just not now |
| 06:52.13 | bluefox83 | dondelelcaro, that much i know..but what should the stanzas in /etc/networking/interfaces look like for eth1? |
| 06:52.14 | dushtabuddhi | iface eth1 inet static |
| 06:52.14 | dushtabuddhi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.14 | dushtabuddhi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.14 | dushtabuddhi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:52.37 | bluefox83 | that was rude =( |
| 06:52.45 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: you paste, you get kicked. |
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| 06:53.09 | dondelelcaro | dushtabuddhi: use the paster bot in the future |
| 06:53.22 | rjordan | So why is it that if I've setup my wth0 for static using the documented methods. it doesn't resolve dns. If I then switch my eth0 in /etc/netwo... to use dhcp everything is peachy? |
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| 06:53.50 | dondelelcaro | rjordan: you don't have a nameserver set up in /etc/resolv.conf; dhcp passes dns servers, and dhcp-client knows how to use them. |
| 06:54.25 | dushtabuddhi | don_inlab, ok :) |
| 06:54.27 | dondelelcaro | myren: that's fine. There is a "this run only do not install this" command in aptitude, you know. |
| 06:54.39 | rjordan | dondelelcaro, not the case. I still have my /etc/resolve.conf from when I had dhcp. |
| 06:54.46 | myren | ok, if you're volunteering to tag the 300 packages that need upgrading, i'll take |
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| 06:55.13 | rjordan | dondelelcaro, any other ideas? |
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| 06:55.27 | lim_x | ricochet: have you checked the serial settings your gps device uses (baud, parity, stop bits) and adjusted the ttyS0 device? If the settings don't match, you won't get any data. |
| 06:55.33 | John5788 | gentoo |
| 06:55.39 | supsup | how do I load the modules? Do I need to download that or is there one already? |
| 06:55.57 | adapter | i've installed and configured vsftpd, after login with a local user i get: |
| 06:55.57 | adapter | 230 Login successful. |
| 06:55.57 | adapter | 500 OOPS: capset |
| 06:55.57 | adapter | Login failed. |
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| 06:56.01 | dondelelcaro | rjordan: resolv.conf. Can you ping the dns server? |
| 06:56.03 | Langly1 | ffs my nic isnt on the list of avalible drivers, guess ill have to get one that is some time, or find a way to make this work |
| 06:56.14 | adapter | sorry for the flood |
| 06:56.22 | dondelelcaro | rjordan: what type of network are you plugged into? |
| 06:56.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell adapter about paster |
| 06:56.30 | Langly1 | TRENDnet TE100-PCBUSR |
| 06:56.58 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: just figure out what driver that nic actaully uses, and see if it will work. |
| 06:56.59 | myren | i just dont see why " apt-get install -t experimental alsa-base alsa-utils libasound2 libasound2-doc libasound2-plugin" isnt working |
| 06:57.02 | ricochet | lim_x: all GPS device has is 4800 baud, and the protocol setting, (Garmin, Text only, NMEA, etc), I cant seem to find stty's command to change the serial port baud rate |
| 06:57.08 | myren | it tells me they're already installed, but not from experimental they aint |
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| 06:57.45 | dondelelcaro | myren: documentation... it's all explained there. |
| 06:57.56 | paster | "adapter" at 81.196.163.248 pasted "vsftpd" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/231 |
| 06:58.01 | myren | look, its cool if you dont know the answer |
| 06:58.04 | myren | but stop giving me bad info |
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| 06:58.14 | myren | i'm not going to manually tell 300 packages to hold |
| 06:58.17 | myren | thats just a DUMB idea |
| 06:58.18 | dondelelcaro | myren: I'm a DD. Obviously I know the answer. |
| 06:58.28 | myren | it'd take longer than downloading the 291 MB |
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| 06:58.34 | rjordan | dondelelcaro, yes I can ping the dns servers but I can't 'dig @them'. I'm just behind a router but it other static machines behind it can get out w/ the same config. |
| 06:58.40 | myren | i'll be you my download will finish before you could do it |
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| 06:58.50 | myren | dd or no |
| 06:58.57 | dondelelcaro | myren: and no, it wouldn't. You can apply actions in aptitude to whole classes of packages by applying it to the entire group of packages. |
| 06:59.29 | supsup | how do I load the modules? Do I need to download that or is there one already? |
| 06:59.29 | dondelelcaro | rjordan: is this your own network? or is it something else? |
| 06:59.37 | Langly1 | ive got a driver from the manufature but it requires make && make install, any way to get that to work for a netinstall |
| 06:59.43 | rjordan | dondelelcaro, my own. |
| 06:59.44 | myren | fine, how do i hold all packages? |
| 06:59.47 | dondelelcaro | supsup: use modconf; and select them from the list, assuming the kernel that you've got installed. |
| 06:59.57 | ricochet | lim_x, in man stty I see how to change everything but the baud rate... |
| 07:00.02 | tcsetattr | stty 4800 |
| 07:00.16 | dondelelcaro | myren: press '?' and read about ':' in aptitude. Then press : when you're on the header for each group of planned actions in aptitude. |
| 07:00.23 | adapter | dondelelcaro: can you check the link please? |
| 07:00.26 | tcsetattr | that's where the man page says: N set the input and output speeds to N bauds |
| 07:00.32 | tcsetattr | N=4800 in this case |
| 07:00.58 | dondelelcaro | adapter: you do NOT ever want to ftp using the root account. |
| 07:01.20 | ricochet | tcsetattr, thats for me? |
| 07:01.23 | lim_x | ricochet: that setting tcsetattr gave might be it; otherwise google for "garmin linux stty", gives some results |
| 07:01.28 | dondelelcaro | adapter: the fact that it blocked your login is a feature. Change your root password and use scp as a non-root user instead. |
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| 07:02.10 | myren | i love the CVS packages that are like 8 months stale |
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| 07:02.22 | dondelelcaro | myren: which package are you talking about? |
| 07:02.39 | jasoncohen | does apt-show-versions show packages that are in sid & etch as testing packages? |
| 07:02.41 | nomed^ | i was asking before what can cause a system to don't stop during boot up (no errors no black screen no prompt).. it seems the problem cames from udev .. probably the system can't find some devices it needs . so the question now is . how can i switch to udev from a fresh debootstrap? |
| 07:02.43 | Spec | !ops |
| 07:02.44 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 07:02.49 | dondelelcaro | Spec: ? |
| 07:02.59 | Spec | Bass is needing to be kicked out |
| 07:03.00 | adapter | dondelelcaro: now i'm trying to login with a non root account, and i get: 530 Login incorrect. |
| 07:03.02 | nomed^ | sorry to stop ... |
| 07:03.09 | ricochet | lim_x: yep working now. thanks tcsetattr |
| 07:03.10 | dondelelcaro | Spec: for what? |
| 07:03.11 | Spec | he's sending spam for porno videos |
| 07:03.14 | Spec | err, links* |
| 07:03.18 | myren | there's just a few, but there are a good # of 4-6 month old ones; alsa xmms is 3 months old, |
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| 07:03.29 | nomed^ | Bass is a porno bot .. |
| 07:03.29 | myren | aptitude is doin its thang right now |
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| 07:04.57 | dondelelcaro | supsup: ? |
| 07:05.11 | rjordan | initech, you still there? I found out what it was. |
| 07:05.27 | supsup | How do I use modconf? I need a real break down, sorry. Manual doesn't have an entry for modconf. |
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| 07:06.08 | tcsetattr | modconf has always seemed pretty much self-documenting to me |
| 07:06.16 | jasoncohen | if i'm running sid, i can safely include testing & unstable in my sources.list right in case i wanted to revert back to a testing package? |
| 07:06.53 | supsup | I don't know anything about it. All I know is that I'm somehow supposed to use it to install a module that will make my wireless USB internet adapter work. |
| 07:07.30 | tcsetattr | you poke around with arrow keys and Enter, until you find the module you want. |
| 07:07.37 | dondelelcaro | supsup: first things first, figure out what module you need to get your adapter working. google will tell you which module that is. |
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| 07:08.11 | tcsetattr | if you expect modconf to TELL you what module to use, it doesn't matter how much documentation you get, that isn't going to happen. |
| 07:08.35 | Langly1 | 8139TOO.O is the driver name, heh there is that woot |
| 07:08.39 | Langly1 | i can get it working |
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| 07:10.44 | Karnaugh | god |
| 07:10.46 | grahamoz | w00t kde 3.4 |
| 07:10.49 | supsup | what do I do once I have the module name? |
| 07:10.50 | Karnaugh | how on earth can people use webmin |
| 07:11.15 | liable | supsup: have you downloaded the source for it? |
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| 07:12.38 | supsup | I've installed the kernel headers. I haven't downloaded the source for any module. |
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| 07:13.38 | jasoncohen | packages in unstable must always be equal or greater than the version in testing, so it shouldn't be a problem having testing and unstable sources? i don't have to specify unstable as my default, right? |
| 07:14.02 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: not necessarily. |
| 07:14.15 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: however, in most cases that's true. |
| 07:14.42 | jasoncohen | hmm, should i set my default release to unstable then? |
| 07:15.05 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: shouldn't matter. If the package in testing (or stable) is >> than unstable, you *want* the testing or stable version. |
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| 07:15.31 | jasoncohen | how would that situation come about? |
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| 07:17.12 | Fyron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:17.49 | jasoncohen | i'm more worried about marillat which might have non-standard versioning. the sarge packaes had sarge in the name and i remember some of them didn't want to upgrade to a newer version |
| 07:17.52 | jasoncohen | i had to force them |
| 07:17.57 | jasoncohen | with apt-get install |
| 07:18.32 | liable | supsup: do you have a 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:18.37 | rjordan | So why is it that if I've setup my eth0 for static using the documented methods. it doesn't resolve dns. If I then switch my eth0 in /etc/netwo... to use dhcp everything is peachy? Anybody? I've been asking/Googling this for hours... |
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| 07:20.04 | jasoncohen | heh, when i set my ethernet card to static, it gave it an IP address w/o a cable so i had two IPs from the same router (one on wired, one on wireless) and neither of course worked...i'm sticking with dhcp at least on the wired connections |
| 07:20.21 | jasoncohen | would that happen with ifplugd? |
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| 07:20.42 | concept10 | after installing sarge, what do I have to do to have it boot headless? |
| 07:20.46 | bucky | Fyron, wouldn't your debian install be on root(hd0,0) ? |
| 07:20.56 | jasoncohen | i would imagine it shouldn't sicne it should ifdown eth0 once it sees the cable is disconnected |
| 07:21.50 | Fyron | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.04 | bucky | ic |
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| 07:22.37 | jasoncohen | apparently the morons at comcast unblocked port 25 |
| 07:23.20 | rjordan | jasoncohen, Why are they morons? |
| 07:23.23 | jasoncohen | lol, i call them and ask why they blocked port 25 and they say,..."port 25?..huh, you mean internet access?" |
| 07:23.29 | supsup | Yes, I have a 2.6 kernel |
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| 07:24.00 | bucky | Fyron, and somehow your debian install didn't get installed to a logical partition like 5 ? |
| 07:24.02 | jasoncohen | rjordan, they said they thought i was sending spam, but the only person i was re-routing mail to was myself- one email address on another network and i wasn't even using their SMTP server |
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| 07:24.45 | TBBle | You've just gotta gently remind the support person that whenever a customer uses a word they don't understand, they have to escalate that customer a level. |
| 07:25.12 | strobedream | hey I just got my install of debian working and for some odd reason its not using the default resolution settings taht are outlined in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 07:25.16 | strobedream | any ideas? |
| 07:25.19 | Langly1 | grrr theres my problem, the damn card is dead |
| 07:25.26 | jasoncohen | lol, she just hung up and i called again and got someone who immediately routed me to the abuse # |
| 07:25.30 | Langly1 | I'm going to axe murder something |
| 07:25.45 | rjordan | jasoncohen, so basically you are calling names 'cause you violated the AUP and they did something about it? |
| 07:25.48 | jasoncohen | they have an email address for that exact problem - secure-25@comcst.net |
| 07:25.52 | bluefox83 | where are ipchains and iptables rules usually kept? i think they're preventing my ps2 from connecting to the internet |
| 07:26.23 | jasoncohen | rjordan, i violated NOTHING. they screwed up. i was first told i was sending spam and then was told that it was just a "random" temporary block |
| 07:26.27 | adapter | i've installed vsftpd and configured it for anonymous, and after trying to connect i get: 500 OOPS: vsf_sysutil_recv_peek |
| 07:26.31 | bucky | strobedr1am, did you check the box for the default resolution whey you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 07:26.37 | valdyn | strobedr1am: its written in your logfile /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 07:26.41 | Fyron | bucky: / is on hda2 |
| 07:26.51 | strobedream | bucky: ill try that |
| 07:26.54 | valdyn | strobedream: its written in your logfile /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 07:26.55 | jasoncohen | rjordan, i think it was the latter because the block was removed without even contacting me...it must have been removed within the last few hours |
| 07:27.14 | rjordan | jasoncohen, they don't make contact regardless. |
| 07:27.24 | jasoncohen | they say they'll call you back in 24 hours |
| 07:27.27 | bucky | Fyron, that would be root(hd1,?) wouldn't it? |
| 07:27.46 | jasoncohen | and they didn't even email the primary account holder- they emailed the secondary account holder |
| 07:28.01 | bluefox83 | oh shit >.> |
| 07:28.04 | jasoncohen | and no one at comcast could even confirm the block at first |
| 07:28.06 | jasoncohen | they're clueless |
| 07:28.06 | Fyron | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.10 | rjordan | jasoncohen, http://www.comcast.net/terms/subscriber.jsp article 5.b. |
| 07:28.10 | bluefox83 | ps2 is not compatible with NAT |
| 07:28.28 | tarheelcoxn | I've just installed clearlooks, but the window border isn't saved when I tick the ``save current settup'' box on logout |
| 07:29.02 | tarheelcoxn | I've tried several different tactics, eg. restarting gdm after install, compiling from source... |
| 07:29.07 | wols_ | Fyron: you're right |
| 07:29.27 | tarheelcoxn | I'm confused as to why I can't get gnome to save the look I've got going with clearlooks |
| 07:29.53 | valdyn | tarheelcoxn: i thought there was no clearlooks window border in debian. |
| 07:30.00 | jasoncohen | rjordan, i didn't violate that |
| 07:30.06 | wols_ | bluefox83: ps2 as in IBM PS/2 machine? |
| 07:30.19 | bluefox83 | wols_, ps2 is a sony playstation |
| 07:30.20 | jasoncohen | rjordan, i was re-routing cron-apt reports through my university's ISP to my university email address |
| 07:30.20 | tarheelcoxn | valdyn: so how do I set one that will be saved? |
| 07:30.26 | bluefox83 | sony playstation 2 |
| 07:30.37 | jasoncohen | i didn't use their SMTP server. i wasn't hosting a site. i don't run my own mailserver |
| 07:31.03 | wols_ | jasoncohen: if you run exim, you did |
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| 07:31.38 | valdyn | tarheelcoxn: hmm, now there seems to be one, id try to remove ~/.gnome, kill all instances of gconfd-2 after logging out and try again. |
| 07:31.54 | wols_ | bluefox83: if you restart it, it should work, even for your PS2 |
| 07:32.03 | valdyn | tarheelcoxn: err, ~/.gnome2 |
| 07:32.11 | bluefox83 | wols_, restart what? |
| 07:32.11 | wols_ | tcpip is tcpip, it doesn't care what device is attached |
| 07:32.15 | jasoncohen | wols_, i hardly think re-routing a few messages through someone elses mailserver to myself is what they consider running a mailserver |
| 07:32.32 | jasoncohen | wols_, anyways, they didn't complain about that. they said they thought i was sending unsolicited email |
| 07:32.34 | tarheelcoxn | valdyn: so I remove ~/.gnome2 completely? |
| 07:32.40 | rjordan | jasoncohen, then my apologies if in fact that is true. It was probably just flagged then by the filters. I have to admit, being Tier 1 I'm not intimately familier with the mail magic that goes on there. |
| 07:32.42 | jasoncohen | and then they said it was a temporary random block |
| 07:32.53 | wols_ | jasoncohen: running exim which listens on port25 is a mailserver from their view. even worse when it's not properly configured |
| 07:32.59 | tarheelcoxn | isn't that where I'm trying to save the session info? |
| 07:33.04 | jasoncohen | wols_, i don't have port 25 open |
| 07:33.12 | jasoncohen | wols_, only 22 & 1194 (openvpn) |
| 07:33.15 | valdyn | tarheelcoxn: yea, if you have no settings that you really need. naturally all your added applets will be removed etc.. |
| 07:33.27 | jasoncohen | wols_, all i did was send outgoing messages to mail.brandeis.edu |
| 07:33.29 | rjordan | jasoncohen, how many messages? |
| 07:33.31 | wols_ | then they probably thought you were a spamzombie, maybe sent too many mails per hour or such |
| 07:33.36 | jasoncohen | rjordan, 3 a day |
| 07:33.41 | tcsetattr | by the clueless-ISP definition, if you use any mail-related software other than Micros~1 Outhouse Excuse, you are running a "mail server". |
| 07:33.49 | rjordan | jasoncohen, then that shouldn't have happened. |
| 07:33.55 | jasoncohen | yup |
| 07:34.06 | bluefox83 | wols_, what did you mean i should restart? |
| 07:34.23 | jasoncohen | worst of all, i thought exim broke |
| 07:34.27 | wols_ | bluefox83: you running ipmasq? the ipmasq package? |
| 07:34.34 | bluefox83 | wols_, yes |
| 07:34.35 | tcsetattr | you're not a conformist, so you're a problem. they don't mind aggravating you as a side effect of their hand-waving attempts to pretend they're solving their massive spam problem |
| 07:34.45 | Langly1 | can you use lilo to boot from a cd-rom drive? |
| 07:34.46 | jasoncohen | and then i figured out that i couldn't contact any mailserver |
| 07:34.55 | wols_ | bluefox83: /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart |
| 07:35.01 | rjordan | jasoncohen, I hope you'll excuse me, we get o so many calls from people complaining that we email this and email that, when it's 99% of the time they have a mailserver setup that they aren't telling us about. |
| 07:35.05 | jasoncohen | i got around it by connecting to mail.brandeis.edu on port 587 w/ TLS |
| 07:35.05 | tarheelcoxn | valdyn: so I log out, <CTRL><ALT><F1>, rm ~/.gnome2, <ALT><F7>, log back in and try setting up clearlooks the way I like it again? |
| 07:35.22 | wols_ | Langly1: usually syslinux is used for that afaik |
| 07:35.46 | jasoncohen | rjordan, sorry to be so harsh before. some of the people i have spoken with at comcast are quite good but others are horrible. |
| 07:35.57 | valdyn | tarheelcoxn: yes, except that you forgot to "killall gconfd-2" before deleteing ~/.gnome2 |
| 07:36.28 | wols_ | jasoncohen: there can't be no good people on consumer oriented ISPs. it's just not possible. If there are, I'm sure the company police does their best to weed them out |
| 07:36.28 | rjordan | jasoncohen, I had that experience tonight, and I work there :) |
| 07:36.43 | wols_ | good people at ISPs. ha! |
| 07:36.54 | tarheelcoxn | valdyn: "killall gconfd-2" check |
| 07:37.03 | valdyn | tarheelcoxn: removing ~/.gnome2 from a running gconfd-2 might result in the same old config to be used and resaved or just undefined behaviour.. |
| 07:37.05 | tarheelcoxn | valdyn: rockin' ... thanks |
| 07:37.21 | tarheelcoxn | valdyn: I'm gonna give it a shot |
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| 07:38.46 | rjordan | jasoncohen, I wonder though if the school had reported it. again I'm not familiar with the abuse team's methods of determining what is and what's not but usu. they are justified. |
| 07:39.10 | valdyn | jasoncohen: maybe your mailserver was an open relay by mistake? |
| 07:39.23 | jasoncohen | rjordan, i don't think brandeis would report it. they are pretty lenient i think |
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| 07:39.31 | jasoncohen | valdyn, and no one is there so they probably wouldn't even care |
| 07:39.40 | wols_ | valdyn: you have to work to make it open in debian, so I doubt it |
| 07:39.48 | valdyn | wols_: yea |
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| 07:39.49 | jasoncohen | i knew one person that got kicked off for using 22 GB in upload bandwidth in about 4 hours |
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| 07:40.07 | jasoncohen | dumb shit left DC++ on overnight and was uploading at 16 mbit/sec |
| 07:40.15 | valdyn | im using what my isp gives, and im getting paid to cancel my account ) |
| 07:40.27 | rjordan | jasoncohen, hehe I try to limit myself I have the 6600Kbps/768Kbps :) |
| 07:40.35 | valdyn | bubut they're not harassing me.. |
| 07:40.37 | jasoncohen | rjordan, at brandeis we have 40000/40000 |
| 07:40.45 | jasoncohen | on internet1 and internet2 |
| 07:40.50 | jasoncohen | damn the i2hub traffic is crazy |
| 07:40.52 | rjordan | jasoncohen, nice :) |
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| 07:41.10 | jasoncohen | i downloaded firefox in 3 seconds - 4 MB/sec |
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| 07:41.15 | icyfire_ | yea, but you *really* shouldn't use i2hub unless its academic* |
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| 07:42.23 | rjordan | So no one here knows why my dhcp configured eth0 will let me resolve DNS but if I turn around and ifconfig 10.0.0.2 and so forth I get nothing? |
| 07:42.54 | TBBle | rjordan: Does 'so forth' include adding a DNS server to resolv.conf? |
| 07:42.59 | donpablo | how can i remove rp-pppoe module and plugin ? |
| 07:43.07 | wols_ | either wrong route or wrong DNS I guess |
| 07:43.09 | jasoncohen | anyways, now i have my cron-apt reports going on port 587 to mail.brandeis.edu so i don't expect any problems |
| 07:43.11 | icyfire0573 | rjordan: im not sure (btw i wasn't here before) but im pirating my internet right now, and unless i get dhcp'd by the router it won't let me access the internet |
| 07:43.12 | rjordan | TBBle, they're all in there. |
| 07:43.24 | wols_ | donpablo: remove from where? |
| 07:43.45 | rjordan | jasoncohen, that should work ;) |
| 07:43.51 | jasoncohen | i didn't realize port 25 was blocked because i get incoming mail on 995 (ssl) and send mail using 587 (tls) so it only affected cron-apt |
| 07:43.53 | donpablo | from boot i see rp-ppoe module are loaded |
| 07:44.03 | donpablo | i don't need it |
| 07:44.04 | TBBle | And you can query the DNS server with host after doing the ifconfig? |
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| 07:44.18 | rjordan | TBBle, no but I can ping it by IP. |
| 07:44.20 | liable | supsup: I think your out of luck dude, except maybe with ndiswrapper or the linuxant driver |
| 07:44.23 | valdyn | rjordan: whats your ip that you recieve via DHCP ? |
| 07:44.31 | rjordan | 10.0.0.10 |
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| 07:44.54 | valdyn | rjordan: and the routing and gateway are identical to your manually configured ones ? |
| 07:44.58 | wols_ | donpablo: /etc/network/interfaces if you use sarge |
| 07:44.59 | TBBle | rjordan: If you can ping but can't 'host' against it, then something's eating your UDP request. |
| 07:45.05 | rjordan | valdyn, yes |
| 07:45.10 | jasoncohen | heh, i missed cron-apt these last few days |
| 07:45.14 | donpablo | yes i use sarge |
| 07:45.14 | wols_ | donpablo: that configures pppoe |
| 07:45.16 | valdyn | rjordan: whos maintaining your dhcp server? |
| 07:45.19 | donpablo | ok |
| 07:45.22 | rjordan | valdyn, me |
| 07:45.52 | jasoncohen | btw, how many updates/day should i expect on sid? it was pretty light on etch |
| 07:45.58 | valdyn | rjordan: alright, that doesn't make sense, can your paste both route -n in #flood? |
| 07:46.13 | rjordan | valdyn, sure |
| 07:46.41 | tcsetattr | traceroute? |
| 07:47.08 | jasoncohen | rjordan, what is comcast's stance on users that have linux machines? I thought at one point they wouldn't provide any type of support to non-windows machines even if the problem was unrelated |
| 07:47.08 | valdyn | jasoncohen: its only updated once daily on i386 afaik ( at least for me.. ), the number of updates naturally depends on number of packages you ave installed, 1-5 might be likely on average |
| 07:47.26 | valdyn | jasoncohen: number of updated packages even |
| 07:47.33 | jasoncohen | huh, that's it? i got 15-20 today on etch |
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| 07:47.56 | gcc_ | anybody has a mirror for unoficial dvds? |
| 07:47.59 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i think it only updates once a day because incoming moves to pool only once |
| 07:48.07 | valdyn | jasoncohen: etch isnt per se having that much less updates than sid |
| 07:48.18 | valdyn | jasoncohen: yea. |
| 07:48.30 | jasoncohen | 95 etch updates will be going in tomorrow |
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| 07:48.37 | jasoncohen | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
| 07:48.39 | valdyn | jasoncohen: not like that on the inofficial amd64 port, no idea about other ports.. |
| 07:49.10 | jasoncohen | valdyn, ah, how is that amd64 port? i would miss having mplaeyr & OO and i dont' feel like chrooting that |
| 07:49.13 | jasoncohen | *mplayer |
| 07:49.36 | valdyn | jasoncohen: i have all that, i dont miss win32 codecs ( seemingly i dont need them ) |
| 07:49.47 | jasoncohen | heh, i would |
| 07:49.51 | valdyn | jasoncohen: oh, not OO, naturally |
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| 07:50.06 | jasoncohen | ubuntu has OO on it's 64 bit port- just with 32 bit support |
| 07:50.12 | jasoncohen | why doesn't debian just do that? |
| 07:50.17 | jasoncohen | it's a pretty important packages |
| 07:50.19 | jasoncohen | *package |
| 07:50.21 | rjordan | jasoncohen, their official stance is that they don't support it, at all. however I have helped some folks who call with basic problems and when questioned by my manager: "We do support Macs, There's really no difference." and that seemed to fly. |
| 07:50.30 | valdyn | jasoncohen: i have 2 complete debian installs, one amd64 and the chrooted one ( my formerly main install ) |
| 07:51.11 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i have 2 here as well and i was thinking of buying a new amd64 3000+ (great deal on outpost for $160 retail CPU + mobo) |
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| 07:51.28 | Phazor | what motherboard? |
| 07:51.30 | jasoncohen | one sarge box on amd 2700+ and now a sid laptop on p4 1.6 |
| 07:51.45 | jasoncohen | unfortunately it's out of stock |
| 07:51.46 | jasoncohen | one sec |
| 07:51.47 | rjordan | valdyn, so any ideas? btw, my resolv.conf is unchanged between the two. |
| 07:52.06 | Phazor | thats a very important part, just as important as the cpu or video card. with a bad mobo you get crap quality |
| 07:52.09 | jasoncohen | http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4301885?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG |
| 07:52.27 | jasoncohen | http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4450556?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG -- same mobo |
| 07:52.33 | Phazor | I actually was going to buy a whole computer off newegg.com since they have great support if anything goes wrong and very documented, great parts |
| 07:52.35 | jasoncohen | ECS 755-A2 Socket 754 Motherboard |
| 07:52.47 | FireBox_ | What is a good partitioning scheme for a Debian Sarge webserver? I know I'll need a large /home partition, but what else? |
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| 07:53.34 | rjordan | Any ideas? Anyone? |
| 07:53.45 | jasoncohen | i priced a case w/ 400 W PSU, amd64 3000+, mobo, 512 MB PC3200 DDR, logitech speakers (highly rated actually), for around $375 after rebates |
| 07:54.10 | Phazor | FireBox_, put home on its own hard drive or raid, so you cant lose your personal files |
| 07:54.11 | jasoncohen | oh and i forgot a 200 GB seagate HD |
| 07:54.16 | TBBle | FireBox_: You'll only need a large /home partition if you're storing websites in /home |
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| 07:54.25 | Phazor | the rest can go on another raid or another hard drive depending on how much performance you need |
| 07:54.29 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 07:54.29 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 three-legged hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 07:54.30 | FireBox_ | Phazor: Unfortunately I can't do that. |
| 07:54.31 | Cope | I'm installing sarge via pxe using the latest netboot image from the d-i pages. After giving a simple partition scheme, and creating the FS I move onto 'install the base system' - but this fails very quickly (debootstrap exit code 2), logs showing 'Incorrect metadata area header checksum' and what looks to the output of a pvscan type command: PV /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 lvm2 [76.33 GB]. Total 1 [76.33 GB] / in use: 0 [0 |
| 07:54.49 | FireBox_ | TBBle: But I'll need a /var partition, right? |
| 07:55.14 | TBBle | FireBox_: Traditionally, webserver pages go in /var/www, although latest FHS indicates /srv/www (or /srv/web?) is the place to go. |
| 07:55.39 | Phazor | you can just make on one hard drive a 800mb swap and the rest can be / and it will work, FireBox_ |
| 07:55.49 | FireBox_ | TBBle: But my users will have their sites in: /home/username/public_html |
| 07:55.58 | TBBle | I like /srv/ personally, since it gives a clean mountpoint for your raided, backed up, distributed (pick up to three) web service files. |
| 07:56.01 | FireBox_ | Phazor: Yes, but I'll need more for security and such. |
| 07:56.04 | TBBle | FireBox_: In _that_ case, a large /home, yes. |
| 07:56.09 | Phazor | oh |
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| 07:56.20 | FireBox_ | I'll probably need a /var |
| 07:56.32 | TBBle | What's the security advantage of seperate partitions? You're gonna loop-aes mount things? |
| 07:56.37 | VoltageX | any ideas why I can't upgrade dpkg? |
| 07:56.39 | FireBox_ | And perhaps a /boot (I'm paranoid ;) |
| 07:56.51 | VoltageX | an |
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| 07:56.54 | VoltageX | oops |
| 07:57.04 | FireBox_ | TBBle: So that if / gets stuffed up, I have logs in /var on a sep. partition. |
| 07:57.11 | TBBle | /boot partition if you're running old (and I mean _old_) i386 bioses. |
| 07:57.17 | pusling | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:57.34 | valdyn | rjordan: try using the same ip statically that you had been assigned via dhcp and/or rebooting your router after assigning a static ip |
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| 07:57.39 | FireBox_ | TBBle: And for security? |
| 07:57.54 | TBBle | /var partition is good because if anything goes wild and runs you out of space, you can still recover it. Non-root users should only be able to write to /tmp and /home, but can affect things like /var/log and /var/lib/mysql |
| 07:58.19 | TBBle | FireBox_: Absolutely no security advantage to seperate partitoins, unless you're loop-aes (or otherwise encrypting) them or something. |
| 07:58.25 | caphuso | /var/tmp is user writable too |
| 07:58.29 | VoltageX | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.13.9_powerpc.deb |
| 07:58.37 | TBBle | /var/tmp still exists? Drat! ^_^ |
| 07:58.49 | FireBox_ | TBBle: I s'pose |
| 07:58.51 | valdyn | VoltageX: delete that file and run your apt-get command again |
| 07:58.54 | caphuso | TBBle: yes, of course |
| 07:59.01 | VoltageX | already done it |
| 07:59.13 | valdyn | VoltageX: then use a different mirror |
| 07:59.33 | TBBle | VoltageX: You havne't actually provided the error message, you've provided the message that appears when you get an error message. |
| 08:00.15 | rjordan | valdyn, WOW that's wierd. I can use 10.0.0.10 like I was assigned and that works or 10.0.0.6 but when I set it to 10.0.0.2 it chokes.... |
| 08:00.19 | jasoncohen | does anyone know the status of the vancouver proposal to limit the number of official architectures for etch? |
| 08:00.23 | VoltageX | TBBle: If I could get it to say any more I'd paste it |
| 08:00.33 | TBBle | Anyway, the point is that (as far as I recall) quota support is per mountpoint, so making /var/ and /home seperate partitions is needed if you're doing that. |
| 08:01.11 | valdyn | rjordan: i think that's your switch acting strange.. |
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| 08:01.20 | TBBle | rjordan: Is something else using 10.0.0.2? eg. the router itself? It's got two ports (wired and wireless) so maybe they did it like that? |
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| 08:01.43 | VoltageX | switched mirrors and now it works |
| 08:01.45 | VoltageX | I think |
| 08:01.51 | TBBle | VoltageX: If that's the only line you get out of dpkg, then we've got bigger problems. |
| 08:01.55 | TBBle | Oh, OK. |
| 08:02.01 | rjordan | valdyn, agrreed ;) |
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| 08:02.08 | jasoncohen | valdyn, oh- i missed your previous message. i know my mailserver wasn't an open relay because it was set with the default debian settings which are quite restrictive |
| 08:02.19 | valdyn | jasoncohen: ah |
| 08:02.21 | rjordan | TBBle, I think that may be it. |
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| 08:02.36 | valdyn | rjordan: maybe your issues would also have gone away after a few minutes. |
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| 08:03.01 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i like that about debian. their default configs are much tighther than other distros like mdk |
| 08:03.13 | VoltageX | ah the wonders of using unstable. |
| 08:03.13 | valdyn | rjordan: just switching IP is bad on some devices however. Cant tell you technical details |
| 08:03.15 | titanium_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.25 | titanium_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.26 | dpkg | from memory, kde3.4 is not really packaged yet, or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 |
| 08:03.30 | rjordan | valdyn, tried that too. I think my router acts funny. |
| 08:03.31 | Fyron | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.31 | tarheelcoxn | valdyn: thanks, but I asked in #clearlooks on irc.gnome.org and they pointed out that all I had to do was download clearlooks-metacity-0.6.tar.gz from clearlooks.sf.net |
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| 08:03.42 | jasoncohen | debian doesn't even open cups ..by default it's only open to loopback |
| 08:03.45 | tarheelcoxn | valdyn: it fixed my problems |
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| 08:03.56 | valdyn | tarheelcoxn: ah, cool |
| 08:04.07 | tarheelcoxn | valdyn: any idea why that theme isn't bundled in the debian package? |
| 08:04.19 | tarheelcoxn | the window border theme |
| 08:04.26 | tarheelcoxn | err |
| 08:04.30 | liable | jasoncohen: you sure about that? cups? |
| 08:04.31 | titanium_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.32 | dpkg | [kde3.4] not really packaged yet, or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 |
| 08:04.32 | tarheelcoxn | metacity theme |
| 08:04.38 | titanium_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.38 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 08:04.38 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i was right- postfix only relays mail for 127.0.0.1 and exim doesn't relay for anyone by default |
| 08:04.39 | valdyn | tarheelcoxn: i cant tell you, ask the maintainer |
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| 08:04.58 | valdyn | tarheelcoxn: if you are using sarge though, they obviously cannot just upgrade versions in sarge. |
| 08:05.00 | jasoncohen | liable, yes, you have to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 08:05.11 | TBBle | cup's default does only allow localhost access, but it listens on *:631 I think. |
| 08:05.12 | bluefox83 | how do you make certain eth1 is pointing to the correct network card? |
| 08:05.25 | jasoncohen | liable, search cupsd.conf for Allow From and you'll only see 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:05.27 | bluefox83 | i'm not getting any network traffic from eth1 |
| 08:05.43 | liable | bluefox83: have a look at ifrename |
| 08:05.46 | valdyn | bluefox83: easiest ( imo ) is to put the drivers in order in /etc/modules |
| 08:06.16 | jasoncohen | TBBle, i could not add a remote printer for CUPS until i edited the config to allow access on 192.168.0.* |
| 08:06.30 | jasoncohen | on the server i mean |
| 08:06.38 | TBBle | That's right. But the socket's open. |
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| 08:06.50 | TBBle | The 'allow/deny' are set to localhost only. |
| 08:06.51 | VoltageX | wow nice |
| 08:06.51 | bluefox83 | valdyn, eth0 is pointing to the correct card, however, eth1 doesn't seem to be detecting any activity at all |
| 08:06.54 | tarheelcoxn | totally unrelated to previous questions: how do I make a job sleep until a job that's currently running stops without stopping the running job? |
| 08:06.55 | VoltageX | Fetched 3597kB in 4m6s (14.6kB/s) |
| 08:06.55 | VoltageX | Segmentation faultsts... 1% |
| 08:07.00 | jasoncohen | TBBle, does it matter that the socket is open/ |
| 08:07.01 | tarheelcoxn | eg. ogg123 05_move_away.ogg is running |
| 08:07.02 | TBBle | So a non-authenticated remote crasher would still kill it. |
| 08:07.08 | TBBle | jasoncohen: Of course it does. |
| 08:07.08 | mikaEL` | I installed debina with the 2.6.8-2 kernel .. how can I switch to 2.4.29 without recompiling ?? |
| 08:07.09 | VoltageX | I think dpkg is screwed |
| 08:07.17 | jasoncohen | TBBle, i'm behind a firewall that blocks all but 22 & 1194 |
| 08:07.22 | valdyn | bluefox83: then its probably not finding your card or you card or you cable are broken |
| 08:07.30 | TBBle | jasoncohen: OK, it doesn't matter for _you_. ^_^ |
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| 08:07.50 | bluefox83 | valdyn, lspci shows my card, lsmod shows the driver |
| 08:07.54 | tarheelcoxn | and I want to play ogg123 01_induction.ogg when that one finishes |
| 08:07.54 | jasoncohen | why leave the port open if you can't connect? |
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| 08:08.08 | valdyn | bluefox83: that means nothing yet |
| 08:08.15 | TBBle | VoltageX: That's apt-get update? |
| 08:08.27 | rjordan | jasoncohen, Where are you approx? I'm just curious whether you could call my call center. |
| 08:08.28 | TBBle | jasoncohen: Wha? |
| 08:08.28 | tcsetattr | get the PID of the existing process, then... while [ -d /proc/$PID ]; do sleep 1 ; done ; ogg123 01_induction.ogg |
| 08:08.33 | valdyn | bluefox83: try ethtool or mii-tool ( depending your your driver and hardware ) |
| 08:08.37 | VoltageX | TBBle: yep :/ |
| 08:08.44 | jasoncohen | rjordan, NJ |
| 08:08.49 | jasoncohen | rjordan, central NJ |
| 08:09.15 | jasoncohen | rjordan, test@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net |
| 08:09.42 | rjordan | jasoncohen, lol I'm dumb. |
| 08:09.42 | jasoncohen | you could have just done a /whois heh |
| 08:09.46 | VoltageX | so...wtf do I do now? |
| 08:09.48 | jasoncohen | where are you? |
| 08:09.49 | TBBle | VoltageX: Yup. You're boned. |
| 08:10.00 | Sami | i've installed samba n smbfs but when i try too mount the windows share it just gives me the help, could someone plz tell me how i'd do it? smbmount service share -o ip=.... |
| 08:10.04 | TBBle | VoltageX: ^_^ |
| 08:10.21 | valdyn | tarheelcoxn: use something like mp3blaster |
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| 08:10.43 | VoltageX | pfft now it's not even doing anything, just segfaulting. |
| 08:10.44 | rjordan | jasoncohen, Ann Arbor, Michigan. rjordan@pcp05304873pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net |
| 08:10.49 | jasoncohen | TBBle, I was asking why CUPS by default allows port 631 to be accessed from the internet if you can't connect to the administrative web page or add a printer from a remote machine? |
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| 08:10.53 | TBBle | VoltageX: Uhh... Grab a dpkg .deb, dpkg-deb -x it somewhere, see if _taht_ binary runs. |
| 08:11.08 | cylcus | i can't compile c files.. i have no include files. how do i install them? gcc is installed |
| 08:11.09 | TBBle | jasoncohen: I dunno. But it does. Possibly the principle of least surprise? |
| 08:11.16 | VoltageX | I think it's apt-get that's borked |
| 08:11.18 | liable | bluefox83: whats ifconfig show for that card. |
| 08:11.19 | jasoncohen | rjordan, heh- yeah i knew the Michigan part but i didn't know what "wanarb" was |
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| 08:11.43 | Sami | no ideas? |
| 08:11.45 | valdyn | Sami: use mount for this ( mount -t smbfs -o username=foo,password=bar //windows/share /mnt/dir |
| 08:11.50 | bluefox83 | liable, ifconfig shows no activity for eth1, but does not mention the card by name |
| 08:11.58 | Sami | ooo thx valdyn |
| 08:12.01 | TBBle | VoltageX: In that case, you can grab apt .deb, and install it. ^_^ |
| 08:12.02 | lim_x | tarheelcoxn: why not just run "ogg123 01.ogg 02.ogg" or "ogg123 01.ogg ; ogg123 02.ogg"? |
| 08:12.06 | liable | bluefox83: ifup eth1 |
| 08:12.08 | cylcus | how do i get the include files? |
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| 08:12.19 | jasoncohen | i still can't believe exim simply CAN NOT relay mail on a non-standard port if you're not using TLS |
| 08:12.26 | jasoncohen | it won't use anything other than port 25 |
| 08:12.32 | bluefox83 | liable, says device already configured |
| 08:12.37 | VoltageX | cylcus: got gcc-base? |
| 08:12.45 | valdyn | !tell cylcus about search |
| 08:12.50 | valdyn | !tell cylcus about b-e |
| 08:12.50 | tcsetattr | build-essential |
| 08:12.50 | liable | bluefox83: but doesnt show up in ifconfig? |
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| 08:13.06 | jasoncohen | man update-exim4.conf | grep port to see :) |
| 08:13.14 | liable | Sami: what command you running |
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| 08:13.20 | bluefox83 | liable, like i said eth1 is mentioned, but not the name of the card i want it to point to |
| 08:13.30 | cylcus | valdyn, i have gcc-3.3 base |
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| 08:13.34 | jasoncohen | in postfix i just set relayhost = mail.brandeis.edu:587 |
| 08:13.37 | rjordan | jasoncohen, If it makes you feel any better, Comcast understands that they can't go on without customer satisfaction and that tech support/CSRs are their bread 'n butter. They are training and aggressivly recruiting 'cause they looked at the numbers *cough*dell*cough* and realised people just wanted to talk to knowledgeable staff that spoke the language. |
| 08:13.38 | liable | bluefox83: post it in #flood |
| 08:13.45 | valdyn | cylcus: so? |
| 08:13.47 | concept10 | If I have a server behind my lan, how do I access it from outside of my lan? |
| 08:13.48 | streuner | hm |
| 08:13.56 | rjordan | jasoncohen, hey go figure :) |
| 08:14.09 | cylcus | i'm doing apt-get install build-essential |
| 08:14.11 | liable | concept10: port forwarding |
| 08:14.17 | jasoncohen | heh, for some reason brandeis also accepts non-encrypted connections on port 587 |
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| 08:14.28 | jasoncohen | comcast requires a login on port 587 |
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| 08:14.34 | cylcus | thanks.. it works |
| 08:14.36 | jasoncohen | login + TLS i think |
| 08:14.42 | jasoncohen | rjordan, is that correct? |
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| 08:14.52 | bluefox83 | liable, ok, i posted it |
| 08:15.03 | concept10 | liable, for example how would you access my webserver? |
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| 08:15.16 | jasoncohen | concept10, open up the port you want to use and forward it to the private IP of the server behind the LAN |
| 08:15.35 | valdyn | !fgi concept10 linux+port+forwarding |
| 08:15.36 | dpkg | concept10: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=linux+port+forwarding |
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| 08:15.42 | wols_ | concept10: libc6-dev |
| 08:15.43 | liable | bluefox83: post the output of route too. |
| 08:15.54 | bluefox83 | liable, i did |
| 08:16.01 | jasoncohen | rjordan, i tried connecting to smtp.comcast.net:587 w/TLS and w/o but it refused saying that i needed to authenticate with a login |
| 08:16.09 | RichiH | concept10: also, apt-get install firestarter |
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| 08:16.47 | rjordan | jasoncohen, that'd make sense. I was pretty sure that we don't even offer TLS/SSL or any kind of security :) |
| 08:16.56 | concept10 | valdyn, you are a great help resource |
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| 08:17.27 | tarheelcoxn | valdyn, ditto on concept10 |
| 08:17.30 | VoltageX | concept10: google is also a great help resource. |
| 08:17.34 | jasoncohen | rjordan, nope- you do offer TLS/SSL |
| 08:17.45 | jethro | moin |
| 08:17.46 | bluefox83 | liable, did you see it? |
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| 08:17.56 | concept10 | Just asking the basics folks, dont get alarmed |
| 08:18.02 | liable | bluefox83: can you ping the ps2 from that card? |
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| 08:18.24 | VoltageX | concept10: google is good for the basics |
| 08:18.25 | bluefox83 | liable, i wouldn't know how to do that or even what address to ping.. |
| 08:18.44 | VoltageX | f*** apt-get/dpkg still segfaulting |
| 08:18.47 | liable | bluefox83: whats the address of the ps2? |
| 08:18.51 | VoltageX | I can't even go back to stable |
| 08:18.54 | jasoncohen | rjordan, i just sent a message with TLS & login. you can also use SSL |
| 08:19.01 | concept10 | VoltageX, no shit - I have to find a starting place for some topics |
| 08:19.08 | bluefox83 | liable, i *think* it's 192.168.0.2 |
| 08:19.15 | bluefox83 | but i'm not sure the config worked |
| 08:19.17 | TBBle | VoltageX: Do you know which one is segfaulting? |
| 08:19.20 | liable | well try that. |
| 08:19.24 | bluefox83 | so i have no idea if it'll actually work |
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| 08:19.31 | jasoncohen | rjordan, in fact- i think comcast may have even changed their howtos to tell users to use TLS for outgoing mail |
| 08:19.40 | hejux | netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that |
| 08:19.40 | hejux | you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute. |
| 08:19.45 | rjordan | jasoncohen, WTF? Guess it goes to show how long it's been since someone ask me that :) |
| 08:19.46 | hejux | what shall i do ?> |
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| 08:20.14 | concept10 | VoltageX, it basically comes to this - if you have nothing to offer except JFGI, you shouldnt even waste time typing |
| 08:20.16 | liable | bluefox83: you need to set the gateway and address on the ps2. |
| 08:20.21 | lim_x | concept10: something like "iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $server_ip --dport 80 -j DNAT --to $internal_ip:80" ... assuming no other restricting fw rules are in place |
| 08:20.37 | bluefox83 | liable, i've tried, but it wont accept the config until it can actually connect |
| 08:20.50 | tcsetattr | if you have nothing to ask but questions that could be easily answered by googling, you shouldn't waste everyone else's time |
| 08:20.53 | VoltageX | TBBle: I *think* apt-get is segfaulting |
| 08:21.04 | TBBle | VoltageX: In that case, you can use dpkg to replace the package. |
| 08:21.05 | rjordan | jasoncohen, OMFG! NS! http://www.comcast.net/help/faq/index.jsp?faq=EmailOutlook_Express17717 |
| 08:21.12 | concept10 | lim_x, thats a great answer, thanks |
| 08:21.33 | jasoncohen | rjordan, yeah- i was wrong...they only do that for "travelling" heh |
| 08:21.42 | VoltageX | ok now we're getting somewhere dpkg-dev depends on dpkg (>= 1.13.1); |
| 08:21.45 | jasoncohen | rjordan, WTF? they don't even tell you to use SSL for incoming? |
| 08:22.01 | rjordan | jasoncohen, oh the gayness... |
| 08:22.06 | jasoncohen | rjordan, btw, brandeis refuses to support outlook and you can't check webmail on IE!! |
| 08:22.07 | jasoncohen | i love it |
| 08:22.19 | liable | bluefox83: sorry cant help ya, dont have one. |
| 08:22.21 | jasoncohen | it tells you to use a secure browser with a link to firefox |
| 08:22.22 | jasoncohen | heh |
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| 08:22.36 | jasoncohen | and they do nessus scans on our computers |
| 08:22.46 | jasoncohen | and post the results online so we can check |
| 08:22.47 | rjordan | lol, yeah esp with that javascript vuln of late. |
| 08:22.49 | caphuso | firefox is still considered to be secure? |
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| 08:22.51 | VoltageX | well i gtg |
| 08:23.06 | TBBle | VoltageX: Good luck with that |
| 08:23.10 | lim_x | concept10: it might be a great if it works for you ;-) but so far it is just an answer... |
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| 08:23.13 | jasoncohen | caphuso, the security problems are always fixed before being exploited unlike IE |
| 08:23.13 | VoltageX | yeah |
| 08:23.18 | wols_ | bluefox83: does a PS2 have a DHCP client? |
| 08:23.20 | VoltageX | i'll b back |
| 08:23.31 | bluefox83 | wols_, alas, no |
| 08:24.01 | jasoncohen | rjordan, yup- i was right- no SSL for incoming or outgoing mail - http://www.comcast.com/Support/Corp1/FAQ/FaqDetail_2577.html |
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| 08:24.21 | jasoncohen | rjordan, are they nuts? they have you login with username/passwd w/o SSL? |
| 08:24.34 | valdyn | rjordan: TLS is supported |
| 08:25.00 | jasoncohen | rjordan, we're talking about the howto guides for users. they don't recommend using SSL/TLS |
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| 08:25.07 | jasoncohen | woops, that was to valdyn |
| 08:25.10 | liable | jasoncohen: my isp does that too, after you have sent it in the clear, then you go ssl. :( |
| 08:25.12 | bluefox83 | no one has helped me figure out how to actually attach the eth1 to the card i want it to use.. |
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| 08:25.35 | caphuso | bluefox83: ifrename or nameif |
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| 08:25.42 | jasoncohen | i dont' think brandeis will even allow non-SSL access to its IMAP server |
| 08:25.44 | liable | bluefox83: I and valdyn both suggested something. |
| 08:26.05 | rokstar | some of you have problems with gnome since they make 2.10 available on Sid? |
| 08:26.08 | bluefox83 | liable, nothing comes pre-configured and i don't know how to configure them!!!! |
| 08:26.19 | jasoncohen | i don't understand why they would tell users not to use SSL. it requires no more work- you just check off a box |
| 08:26.27 | bluefox83 | doesn't do a whole lot of good to have all the tools in the world if you don't know how to use any of them |
| 08:26.28 | liable | bluefox83: well, slow down, and read and learn :) |
| 08:26.35 | jasoncohen | rokstar, no- it works fine now that all the packages are in sid |
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| 08:26.45 | rokstar | jasoncohen: I get this kind of message: (gnome-session:4845): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_key_file_add_group: assertion `g_key_file_lookup_group_node (key_file, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 08:26.48 | bluefox83 | liable, i read the man pages, they made absolutely no sense to me |
| 08:26.49 | jasoncohen | rokstar, i'm using 2.10 happily right now. you can even use it in etch just fine actually |
| 08:27.07 | jasoncohen | rokstar, you get that message when you do what? |
| 08:27.11 | jasoncohen | bluefox83, what's the problem? |
| 08:27.17 | rokstar | when i launch startx |
| 08:27.25 | valdyn | jasoncohen: if you are directly connected to comcast thatn ssl / tls is somewhat pointless. ( though that still doesnt explain as to why to discourage it ) |
| 08:27.26 | liable | bluefox83: you are better of googling for a howto too start with, the man pages can be a bit cryptic untill you know a bit more. |
| 08:27.27 | rokstar | in .xsession-errors |
| 08:27.44 | bluefox83 | jasoncohen, they all want config files that i don't have, where th eheck do i make these things and how do i find out what goes in them? |
| 08:27.48 | rokstar | i get the same message for nautilus and gnome-panel too |
| 08:27.56 | MichaelSaunders | If your box boots up and just says LI how do you recover |
| 08:28.04 | rokstar | google does not say too much about that unluckly |
| 08:28.07 | rjordan | jasoncohen, that's odd. I'll remember that. Although I just sent/received mail using SSL+Cocmast... |
| 08:28.12 | bluefox83 | liable, that's a goddamned understatement if i ever heard one.. |
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| 08:28.14 | jasoncohen | valdyn, why is it pointless. there are still MORONS out there with with unencrypted APs (i just mistakenly connected to one yesterday) |
| 08:28.25 | valdyn | jasoncohen: true |
| 08:28.30 | liable | bluefox83: hehe, you'll get there. |
| 08:28.31 | jasoncohen | in fact the # is 60% |
| 08:28.34 | rjordan | !fvwm |
| 08:28.35 | dpkg | A fully ICCCM-compliant window manager (http://www.fvwm.org) |
| 08:28.45 | jasoncohen | rokstar, are all your packages upgraded to 2.10? |
| 08:28.46 | bluefox83 | liable, it should not take this much work to get a damned ps2 on the net :( |
| 08:29.06 | rokstar | jasoncohen: i made an apt-get dist-upgrade today |
| 08:29.07 | jasoncohen | bluefox83, well, you never told me what you're trying to do |
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| 08:29.21 | rokstar | so i think that they are all updated |
| 08:29.27 | bluefox83 | jasoncohen, i've been telling people what i am trying to do for the last 8 hours.. |
| 08:29.27 | jasoncohen | rokstar, then you should be up to date...did you check BTS? |
| 08:29.34 | Cope | bluefox83: demand a full refund |
| 08:29.34 | rokstar | BTS? |
| 08:29.39 | rjordan | Anyone here have xcompmgr working? |
| 08:29.42 | TBBle | bluefox83: You're putting a Playstation 2 on the Internet? |
| 08:29.45 | bluefox83 | jasoncohen, right now, all i want to do is make sure eth1 is pointing to the correct card |
| 08:29.56 | jasoncohen | bluefox83, why does it have to be eth1? |
| 08:29.58 | wols_ | bluefox83: why does it have to be eth1? |
| 08:30.00 | bluefox83 | TBBle, yes |
| 08:30.05 | rjordan | lol |
| 08:30.12 | valdyn | bluefox83: have you tried mii-tool? why do you think eth1 is on the wrong card? do you have a 3rd? |
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| 08:30.26 | simonrvn | aren't PS2s PPC boxen? |
| 08:30.29 | jasoncohen | the device is selected on boot based on when it's detected i believe. |
| 08:30.37 | wols_ | simonrvn: MIPS + emotion engine |
| 08:30.43 | jasoncohen | if you know what it is detected as you can set it to that |
| 08:30.44 | bluefox83 | valdyn, because ifconfig showed no traffic for eth1 while i was trying to connect it to the internet |
| 08:30.44 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 08:30.57 | TBBle | bluefox83: I remember mine was painfully slow, and I got sick of kernel 2.2.12 and gave up. |
| 08:31.01 | bluefox83 | and, i just want to SEE if it's connected correctly..that's it right now |
| 08:31.03 | liable | bluefox83: well, eth1, is the one connected to the ps2, you can tell from your route output. |
| 08:31.10 | jasoncohen | for example my card was eth2 when i connected it after bootup but if i restarted with it- it was eth1 |
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| 08:31.18 | jasoncohen | so i just set both on hotplug |
| 08:31.20 | rokstar | what BTS stand for? |
| 08:31.21 | simonrvn | mips is risc anyway, nyah ;p |
| 08:31.25 | simonrvn | @bts |
| 08:31.28 | jasoncohen | rokstar, bug tracking system |
| 08:31.33 | jasoncohen | rokstar, apt-get install reportbug |
| 08:31.34 | ravenbird | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename . Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 08:31.39 | wols_ | simonrvn: custom developed PS2 chip. used by all PS2 games |
| 08:31.42 | jasoncohen | then reportbug gnome |
| 08:31.46 | TBBle | Emotion engine is a floating-point co-processor for MPEG-2 decoding and 3D rendering, and some other bits and pieces. |
| 08:31.51 | bluefox83 | liable, how so? i gave eth1 the ip to point to, that's all.. |
| 08:31.53 | TBBle | It's a superset of MIPS |
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| 08:32.02 | bluefox83 | how do i know the correct card is being used? |
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| 08:32.06 | simonrvn | aah, i see |
| 08:32.07 | jasoncohen | rokstar, lol, you really shouldn't use sid if you don't know what BTS is :( |
| 08:32.09 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 08:32.18 | liable | bluefox83: you are on the net with the other? |
| 08:32.32 | cyclus | my nvidia driver doesn't work.. i have nvidia-glx installed. if i change the driver from "nv" to "nvidia" X doesn't load |
| 08:32.40 | jasoncohen | bluefox83, just do ifconfig and it'll show you your network devices |
| 08:32.45 | TBBle | cyclus: Did you build the nvidia kernel module? |
| 08:32.46 | valdyn | bluefox83: you really really want to try mii-tool or ethtool, period |
| 08:32.49 | jasoncohen | once you know what the PS2 once is you can set that in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:32.52 | jasoncohen | it's really quite easy |
| 08:33.01 | Cope | rokstar: that's a but like saying, on a desert island, 'water? what's water? do I need water?' |
| 08:33.14 | jasoncohen | or just add them all with dhcp and hotplug - works fine here |
| 08:33.17 | bluefox83 | not one of you understands what i'm talking about do you? |
| 08:33.23 | jasoncohen | ifplugd for my wired and hotplug for my wireless cards |
| 08:33.27 | bluefox83 | let me be very descript |
| 08:33.30 | cyclus | TBBle, can i install it with apt-get? |
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| 08:33.33 | tcsetattr | we understand you're too dumb to use mii-tool after being told multiple times? |
| 08:33.44 | valdyn | bluefox83: another thing would be 'dmesg | grep eth1' |
| 08:34.14 | bluefox83 | i have 2 ethernet cards, one is a via onboard ethernet device, the other is a linksys etherfast card, eth0 points to the onboard card, i want to be sure eth1 is actually using the linksys card |
| 08:34.17 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 08:34.31 | cyclus | TBBle, i have "NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.4.27-2-686" installed |
| 08:34.44 | TBBle | cyclus: You apt-get install the source (nvidia-kernel-source) unless you've got a kernel installed with a matching module |
| 08:34.49 | tcsetattr | use mii-tool! Run mii-tool. Unplug a cable. Run it again. Which one changed? BINGO! |
| 08:34.56 | TBBle | Are you running kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686? |
| 08:35.09 | rokstar | jasoncohen: no bugs for nautilus, gnome-session, gnome-panel, at least not fresh bugs |
| 08:35.22 | cyclus | TBBle, and compile the source? |
| 08:35.29 | bluefox83 | eth1: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0001e000, 00:04:5A:4B:17:9C, IRQ 209 |
| 08:35.35 | bluefox83 | that's what i needed to know |
| 08:35.37 | bluefox83 | now |
| 08:35.41 | valdyn | rokstar: did you run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade yet? |
| 08:35.46 | bluefox83 | how do i know it's actually getting connected to the net? |
| 08:35.46 | MichaelSaunders | how do you recover a system that just boots to li |
| 08:35.56 | rokstar | valdyn: every day |
| 08:36.08 | tcsetattr | boot rescue CD, mount your hard drive, chroot to it, and rerun lilo |
| 08:36.13 | wols_ | MichaelSaunders: reinstall lilo. Boot from your debian CD, press F2 and do a rescue boot |
| 08:36.23 | jasoncohen | bluefox83, we're the idiots but you can't figure out how to use ifconfig after being told multiple times? |
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| 08:36.36 | jasoncohen | rokstar, probably is no bug report...i didn't see anything either |
| 08:36.36 | bluefox83 | jasoncohen, i HAVE been using ifconfig |
| 08:36.38 | valdyn | rokstar: and you are using a pure sid? or a mix? |
| 08:36.43 | jasoncohen | rokstar, report it |
| 08:36.45 | wols_ | tcsetattr: no need to chrrot and stuff. just give the rescue kernel "root=/dev/path2rootpartition" |
| 08:36.55 | TBBle | cyclus: If you ned to compile it, install nvidia-kernel-source and chcek the documentation for it. |
| 08:37.04 | bluefox83 | jasoncohen, i've been using ifconfig for quite a while, much longer than i've been talking in here |
| 08:37.06 | tcsetattr | right... if you can recall what partition is the root while you're staring at a syslinux prompt :) |
| 08:37.09 | rokstar | valdyn: in the beginning it was a sarge, a year and half later |
| 08:37.15 | jasoncohen | bluefox83, don't you know that network devices have a MAC address? once you know that you can identify it |
| 08:37.38 | wols_ | bluefox83: but apperantly not in the right way. if I were you I'd look at the PS2 end of things since the debian stuff looks pretty alright |
| 08:37.39 | bluefox83 | jasoncohen, yes, yes i did know that |
| 08:38.02 | liable | thats what ifrename does to make sure it assigns each one the same all the time. |
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| 08:38.09 | liable | name |
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| 08:38.20 | jasoncohen | and dmesg would have given you enough info as well |
| 08:38.35 | bluefox83 | dmesg did give me info |
| 08:38.42 | cyclus | TBBle, i have the nvidia module somewhere.. but it doesn't work |
| 08:38.54 | bluefox83 | but it's not telling me whether or not packets are getting from the ps2 to the cable modem is it? |
| 08:39.19 | TBBle | Is it loaded? |
| 08:39.24 | wols_ | bluefox83: with the proper iptables line it wouldm but that's not necessary |
| 08:39.41 | cyclus | TBBle, i can make /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx start |
| 08:39.55 | bluefox83 | wols_, actually i think iptables could very easily be the problem..where does iptables keep it's rule and such? |
| 08:40.02 | valdyn | bluefox83: it probably is, depends on your driver |
| 08:40.05 | TBBle | cyclus: lsmod |grep nv |
| 08:40.12 | bluefox83 | valdyn, tulip |
| 08:40.21 | cyclus | TBBle, nothing.. |
| 08:40.33 | bluefox83 | where can i find the iptables rules? |
| 08:40.38 | MichaelSaunders | wols: where is the option |
| 08:40.44 | valdyn | bluefox83: eth0: network connection up using port A <- your cable is plugged in fine. |
| 08:40.44 | wols_ | bluefox83: in memory. ipmasq uses /etc/ipmasq/rules for its scripts, but if you muck with those with your current knowledge you never get it to run. I told you to run /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart, but you wouldn't listen |
| 08:40.47 | TBBle | cyclus: modprobe nvisia |
| 08:40.49 | TBBle | cyclus: modprobe nvidia |
| 08:40.50 | TBBle | rather |
| 08:40.55 | wols_ | Marticus: option for what? |
| 08:41.04 | cyclus | TBBle, FATAL: Module nvidia not found |
| 08:41.14 | TBBle | Then you've not gotten the module setup correctly |
| 08:41.19 | TBBle | uname -a |
| 08:41.19 | valdyn | bluefox83: eth0: network connection down <- cable plugged out ( in my case its a broken driver, reporting this erratically ) |
| 08:41.28 | bluefox83 | wols_, i DID run /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart! |
| 08:41.32 | cyclus | TBBle, Linux debian 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:41.34 | ethics | depmod |
| 08:41.39 | MichaelSaunders | wols: I press f2 and it brings up. "Prerequisites for installing debian" |
| 08:41.58 | wols_ | bluefox83: if your eth1 had it's current IP then, then ipmasq and iptables will work |
| 08:42.13 | valdyn | bluefox83: but all that would have been told you by mii-tool, so not sure why i bother =p |
| 08:42.34 | TBBle | cyclus: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source, then read the instructions /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian (you'll need kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 if you're following them right) and go from there. |
| 08:42.37 | wols_ | MichaelSaunders: do you have kernel bootprompt? type "rescue root=/dev/hdaX" there |
| 08:42.38 | liable | bluefox83: stop being a tight arse and but a fucking router. :P |
| 08:42.45 | liable | *buy |
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| 08:42.58 | bluefox83 | debian:/home/bluefox# mii-tool |
| 08:42.58 | bluefox83 | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 08:42.58 | bluefox83 | eth1: no link |
| 08:42.59 | jasoncohen | why does it seem like a lot of bugs that are fixed are still present? |
| 08:43.04 | jasoncohen | in BTS i mean |
| 08:43.06 | cyclus | TBBle, ok.. thanks, i'll try |
| 08:43.13 | jasoncohen | especially old security bugs that were fixed 1+ years ago |
| 08:43.21 | wols_ | bluefox83: without a link and you wonder why there are no packets? |
| 08:43.22 | jasoncohen | some from several years ago |
| 08:43.24 | valdyn | bluefox83: great, so something is wrong, and ifconfig has nothing to do with detecting or fixing that error |
| 08:43.38 | wols_ | bluefox83: you using a non-crossover cable, right? |
| 08:43.52 | jasoncohen | heh, that would certainly be a problem |
| 08:43.57 | bluefox83 | wols_, i'm using a standard cat5 cable |
| 08:44.01 | valdyn | 1 |
| 08:44.04 | MichaelSaunders | wols_: it says cant find kernal image: rescue |
| 08:44.08 | valdyn | !loose bluefox83 |
| 08:44.08 | dpkg | You lose bluefox83! [and valdyn can't spell, either.] |
| 08:44.09 | MichaelSaunders | do I have the wrong cd |
| 08:44.24 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 08:44.29 | bluefox83 | whats wrong with a cat5 cable? |
| 08:44.36 | wols_ | MichaelSaunders: probably not. guess installer changed :( |
| 08:44.37 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 08:44.42 | jasoncohen | valdyn, maybe his ethernet card is broken? |
| 08:44.44 | valdyn | bluefox83: you need a crossover cable if ps2 <-> computer are connected directly |
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| 08:44.52 | caphuso | bluefox83: the amount clue you don't have is amazing |
| 08:44.55 | MichaelSaunders | wols: what installer do you have I will get it |
| 08:45.01 | valdyn | jasoncohen: possibly |
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| 08:45.07 | bluefox83 | caphuso, yeah..i know |
| 08:45.22 | wols_ | MichaelSaunders: debian woody 2.4 netinst bootfloppies |
| 08:45.23 | bluefox83 | my book doesn't say a damn thing about there needing to be a crossover cable |
| 08:45.48 | caphuso | bluefox83: and if i see you once again claim that anyone but you is incompetent or anything like that, you'll be gone |
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| 08:46.29 | wols_ | bluefox83: cause your book assumes a switch, hub or SOHO router |
| 08:46.33 | jasoncohen | oh well, too bad he doesn't have a switch |
| 08:46.36 | wols_ | which usually are all autosensing nowadays |
| 08:46.42 | liable | buy a router ffs |
| 08:47.06 | valdyn | bluefox83: a simple switch isnt even more expensive than a cable |
| 08:47.07 | jasoncohen | lol, so he's been bitching for 8 hours and he never bothered to check if the link was up |
| 08:47.40 | wols_ | jasoncohen: and that is why IRC is one of the poorest tech support mediums in existence (only telephone is worse I guess) |
| 08:47.40 | bluefox83 | valdyn, i have a router, i don't want to have to fuck with the goddamned port forwarding to get file sending working |
| 08:47.56 | jasoncohen | wols_, well it's also not one on one |
| 08:47.56 | tcsetattr | if the little green light on the card doesn't come on when you plug the cable in... that's BAD |
| 08:47.57 | valdyn | bluefox83: your router includes a switch? |
| 08:48.07 | jasoncohen | wols_, and it can be difficult to communicate on a channel |
| 08:48.13 | bluefox83 | valdyn, it's a linksys 4 port router..i assume so |
| 08:48.36 | rixth | I need Shockwave (not Flash) is there a package? I couldn't find one in apt./ |
| 08:48.37 | bluefox83 | 4 port switch.. |
| 08:48.44 | valdyn | bluefox83: so just plug in your ps2 there, you dont need portforwarding except to forward traffic from the internet side of things |
| 08:48.48 | jasoncohen | you just want the switch part |
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| 08:49.03 | nvz | man how time files when you are killing people and stealing cars... I've probably been playing GTA-SA for like 4 hours |
| 08:49.13 | bluefox83 | ok, so how would i turn off the rest of that crap? |
| 08:49.16 | jasoncohen | nvz, that games is great |
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| 08:49.24 | valdyn | bluefox83: unneeded |
| 08:49.28 | rixth | GTA is for zit faced teenagers. |
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| 08:49.40 | jasoncohen | nvz, i like the harrier |
| 08:49.53 | valdyn | bluefox83: when there's no cable plugged into the internet side then there hardly will be any traffic |
| 08:49.57 | Ether_Man | rixth: no it isnt.. We play better games ^_~ |
| 08:50.03 | bluefox83 | valdyn, bullcrap, if i use it without turning off anything, i lose the ability to send files across the internet.. |
| 08:50.17 | valdyn | bluefox83: no |
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| 08:50.24 | bluefox83 | valdyn, wait, you mean keep it on the inside of the network? |
| 08:50.24 | jasoncohen | valdyn, is he really this clueless? |
| 08:50.41 | nvz | jasoncohen: sure is.. I just started over cause I got it for Xbox now. I only seen that cheating, and I usually dont cheat until I unlock the 2nd city.. then you need the harrier for transportation or else the game drastically slows down on them long rides through the mountains to get from town to town |
| 08:50.45 | bluefox83 | jasoncohen, i'm really this tired..but yeah..i'm not very good at networking |
| 08:50.51 | jasoncohen | you just need a **** switch so you can connect the PS2 and your PC because you don't have a crossover cable! |
| 08:50.52 | rixth | Ether_Man, haha, I'm just sick of the whole "I can kill a virtual figure, look how manly I am" "dis game is fukn awesm" That kinda crap. |
| 08:50.56 | jasoncohen | you're not using it as a router |
| 08:51.05 | bluefox83 | oh! |
| 08:51.11 | nvz | rixth: I've never had a zit, and I havent been a teenager in almost 3 years now |
| 08:51.23 | bluefox83 | ok, that's easy ^_^ |
| 08:51.24 | jasoncohen | nvz, there are so many things to do |
| 08:51.37 | jasoncohen | nvz, my friend and i do two player missions and also do two player roam |
| 08:51.38 | valdyn | bluefox83: computer<->switch and ps2<->switch. just ignore that that switch has a router function. You *might* want to switch off its ability to serve dhcp requests. But that's not needed if you dont use dhcp. |
| 08:51.43 | rixth | nvz, didn't mean it literally. I think the game is way to overrated. |
| 08:51.52 | jasoncohen | it's a lot of fun...you can spend hours not doing the missions. i once parachuted for the scenery, lol |
| 08:52.09 | nvz | rixth: I think its fun. if I could go out and kill cops in real life then just turn it off when I am tired, I would.. heh |
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| 08:52.23 | liable | haha |
| 08:52.33 | rixth | haha, well put! |
| 08:52.37 | rixth | Each to his own I guess. |
| 08:52.41 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 08:52.43 | Ether_Man | bah.. Play some nice mmorpgs instead ^_^ alot more fun than any gta game ^_^ |
| 08:53.07 | rixth | I 'got' Colin McRae 2005 for Xbox, so difficult. |
| 08:53.23 | jasoncohen | rjordan, what problems do you usually have to deal with with level 1 support? |
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| 08:53.57 | rixth | Now, back to why I came here. What package do I need for Shockwave (not Flash)? |
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| 08:54.02 | nvz | hell if I didnt need sleep I there would probably be a lot less cops in the world |
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| 08:54.57 | rixth | nvz, watch yourself there, haha. |
| 08:55.05 | jasoncohen | why is debian so strict about the documentation licensing? |
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| 08:55.09 | nvz | believe me I tried to give cops a chance.. but I've been into politics and a faithful servant to my community all my life, and they still hassle me every chance they get |
| 08:55.22 | rixth | US cops are just corrupt ^_^ |
| 08:55.27 | nvz | yes they are |
| 08:55.32 | jasoncohen | there are several doc packages in non-free becuase it uses the GPL documentation license. what's the big deal/ |
| 08:55.34 | nvz | if only I could prove it |
| 08:56.07 | jasoncohen | and they protect their own regardless of the misconduct |
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| 08:56.14 | cyclus | TBBle, i'm trying to install the nvidia driver... i've installed kernel-headers but when i do "debian/rules binary_modules" it says that i don't have the file /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686/scripts/Makefile.sh |
| 08:56.21 | jasoncohen | some of the stuff that happens in NYC is disgusting and there's probably a lot more that we don't hear about |
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| 08:56.33 | rjordan | jasoncohen, Signal degredation due to weathered cabling, modems outright dieing, spyware and lots of it, checking people's email settings, turning off Norton/McAfee firewalls when they break, reprovisioning lots of modems, the list is so much longer then that... |
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| 08:56.58 | bluefox83 | ok, so now you're going to hate me more cus i'm going to ask another question you think is stupid |
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| 08:57.18 | bluefox83 | this router/switch has a slot that says "WAN" and a slot that says "uplink" |
| 08:57.27 | bluefox83 | which should i plug into the computer? |
| 08:57.29 | rjordan | jasoncohen, oh yeah and resetting routers/cable modems. |
| 08:57.31 | bluefox83 | i'm thinking WAN |
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| 08:57.33 | caphuso | bluefox83: neither |
| 08:57.34 | jasoncohen | rjordan, i called comcast...3-4x to come and increase the signal to my house. they came twice and kept promising to put a line to the house from the street but they never did so i just bought a motorolla 15db amp |
| 08:57.47 | eps | under mandrake there was an easy font installer - so I could grab my fonts from my windows parition and use them - is there some thing similar in debian (on etch) |
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| 08:58.01 | bluefox83 | caphuso, whah? where do i plug the pc part in? |
| 08:58.04 | jasoncohen | i need enough signal for two tv-cards (mythtv) and my cable box |
| 08:58.09 | nimrod_ | hello, i have a problem with Debian 64 under my HP Pavilion... everytime i boot the keyboard doesnt work. I need to change the caracters a few times in GDM to use it, and if i load XFree without gdm, i mean, automatic, it wont work at all. any suggestion ? |
| 08:58.12 | caphuso | bluefox83: in a normal non-WAN non-uplink port |
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| 08:58.16 | Ether_Man | bluefox83: wan is where you plug the cable to the internet.. uplink goes to a switch/hub |
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| 08:58.21 | nvz | jasoncohen: well in this town its going to be war.. I will still only be killing cops on the Xbox, but I certainly wont be taking shit from them anymore. It'll be polite "yessir" until they hand me over to the constable or the judge.. cause I put both of them in their positions and its got the cops really mad at me.. just wait until I catch em slippin, I am going to turn the tables on em.. they will find out they are not above the law |
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| 08:58.39 | jasoncohen | eps, i think KDE has something to add fonts in kcontrol. i might be wrong though |
| 08:58.48 | rjordan | jasoncohen, from what I understand the amps give you more noise on the line so the signal may be louder but it'll be noisier if that makes sense. |
| 08:58.49 | bluefox83 | but isn't the computer acting as the internet source ? |
| 08:58.54 | eps | thanks jasoncohen, also how is your myth box going? |
| 08:58.56 | bucky | eps, msttcorefonts |
| 08:59.03 | bucky | just like mandrivel |
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| 08:59.08 | bluefox83 | <<<----very confused |
| 08:59.20 | supsup | I'm trying to get my AMD 64 Debian to run 32-bit things. I downloaded and burnt ia32-libs but it has a bunch of dependencies. I got lsb-release but can't find lib32gccl. I don't think i can get my USB adapter working without this. |
| 08:59.20 | Ether_Man | bluefox83: internet source? |
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| 08:59.28 | jasoncohen | eps, great- sarge is very stable |
| 08:59.29 | valdyn | bluefox83: you have already been told to *not* use the router functionality -> do not use wan port |
| 08:59.35 | bluefox83 | Ether_Man, i'm using the router as a switch |
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| 08:59.52 | jasoncohen | rjordan, this motorola amp got very high ratings- it was $40 but well worth it. it did clear up the picture |
| 08:59.58 | jasoncohen | much less noise |
| 09:00.01 | nvz | I've sat by and watched em deal drugs, mess around with underage girls, wreck or loose vehicles that belong to the borough.. and then turn around and throw friends of mine in jail long enough :P |
| 09:00.11 | jasoncohen | a few channels were completely crap before i bought it - 2 & 4...the low channels are always the worst |
| 09:00.12 | Ether_Man | bluefox83: then two things.. turn of your router's dhcp and dont use the wan port at all.. |
| 09:00.12 | eps | jasoncohen good to hear :) |
| 09:00.30 | bluefox83 | Ether_Man, then what port do i use to connect to the pc? |
| 09:00.32 | rjordan | jasoncohen, if you are persistent most folks where I work would just send you someone to replace your drop, my philosophy is that it costs us so much less to just be accommodating in most situatuins. |
| 09:00.37 | jasoncohen | eps, i sent over my movies and music to my LVM partition and expanded it by 50 GB to 445 GB. |
| 09:00.40 | bluefox83 | i already plugged the ps2 into the port 1 |
| 09:00.41 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 09:00.41 | nimrod_ | hello, i have a problem with Debian 64 under my HP Pavilion... everytime i boot the keyboard doesnt work. I need to change the caracters a few times in GDM to use it, and if i load XFree without gdm, i mean, automatic, it wont work at all. any suggestion ? |
| 09:00.42 | simonrvn | i gotta replace that cat5 end plug... |
| 09:00.50 | valdyn | bluefox83: port2 |
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| 09:00.55 | wols_ | bluefox83: any of the 4 others |
| 09:01.00 | jasoncohen | eps, so now i can add more movies to mythvideo and i still have 230 GB free for tv shows currently |
| 09:01.00 | bluefox83 | ..ooook |
| 09:01.01 | rjordan | jasoncohen, that's good to hear though, you should make sure you're not dropping packets though just in case. |
| 09:01.06 | Ether_Man | bluefox83: like caphuso already told you.. a normal, non-uplink, non-wan port |
| 09:01.13 | TBBle | cyclus: Did you install the packages the README.Debian told you to install? |
| 09:01.29 | bluefox83 | ok, done, now to go test it out.. |
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| 09:01.42 | rjordan | anyway, goodnight all. and TY :) |
| 09:01.44 | bluefox83 | ok, it's got a link from the switch |
| 09:01.44 | eps | jasoncohen cool, thinking of switching to debian to do it next week, mdk is just to unstable ...and debian has kind of converted me very easily :P |
| 09:01.50 | bluefox83 | atleast the card is |
| 09:01.52 | bluefox83 | *does |
| 09:01.57 | jasoncohen | eps, it's much more reliable for mythtv |
| 09:02.02 | bluefox83 | let me go check the ps2.. |
| 09:02.03 | TBBle | cyclus: You're on Sarge, right? Because I did this on Monday, just with the README.debian. |
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| 09:02.09 | jasoncohen | who was asking about fonts? |
| 09:02.12 | supsup | I'm trying to get my AMD 64 Debian to run 32-bit things. I downloaded and burnt ia32-libs but it has a bunch of dependencies. I got lsb-release but can't find lib32gccl. I don't think i can get my USB adapter working without this. |
| 09:02.20 | bucky | jasoncohen, eps was |
| 09:02.21 | eps | jasoncohen were you able to install it from packages, or did you just compile it? |
| 09:02.23 | jasoncohen | you can just use the gnome font tool gnome-font-properties, hit advanced and drop fonts in |
| 09:02.23 | eps | jasoncohen that was me |
| 09:02.30 | liable | !tell supsup about repeat |
| 09:02.37 | jasoncohen | eps, i always compile |
| 09:02.53 | bucky | who's on first |
| 09:02.54 | jasoncohen | eps, i have a list of deps for mythtv, mythvideo, mythdvd w/transcode, mythmusic if you want |
| 09:03.08 | simonrvn | waht's on second |
| 09:03.08 | jasoncohen | eps, the mythtv source package was missing deps |
| 09:03.10 | eps | jasoncohen I don't have an advanced option here |
| 09:03.11 | simonrvn | what* |
| 09:03.17 | jasoncohen | details |
| 09:03.22 | jasoncohen | then go to font folder |
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| 09:03.34 | eps | jasoncohen no it is okay, I've installed it enough times to know the deps off by heart :P |
| 09:03.36 | jasoncohen | eps, in gnome 2.10 you can just do fonts:/// in nautilus |
| 09:03.39 | TBBle | What's the name of the first baseman? |
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| 09:03.49 | simonrvn | who? |
| 09:04.02 | TBBle | The first baseman. |
| 09:04.05 | simonrvn | who |
| 09:04.15 | streuner | wtf, my hardware-router dont forget its IP's (DHCP), even when i turn it off... |
| 09:04.19 | cyclus | TBBle, i have something like this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/11/msg00208.html |
| 09:04.22 | eps | jasoncohen so do I just copy all the fonts I want into that dir? fonts:// ? |
| 09:04.37 | jasoncohen | fonts:/// and yes |
| 09:04.42 | eps | sweet :) |
| 09:04.49 | jasoncohen | gnome 2.10 is very cool |
| 09:04.56 | jasoncohen | the hotplug support is wonderful |
| 09:04.58 | rjordan | streuner, hold the reset in to get factory defaults ;) |
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| 09:05.08 | eps | I'm waiting for the sid updates to come through to etch :P |
| 09:05.13 | simonrvn | ...like he just did :P |
| 09:05.21 | jasoncohen | i had problems with fam & my usb key in KDE so i installed gamin but i had no issues in gnome |
| 09:05.30 | cyclus | TBBle, that symlink is broken |
| 09:05.30 | jasoncohen | eps, wuss :) |
| 09:05.34 | ethics | jasoncohen: how did you pull it onto etch? i would have thought there was too much mixed hehe |
| 09:05.35 | jasoncohen | eps, i didn't |
| 09:05.36 | streuner | rjordan: well, i know, but i made several changes... |
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| 09:05.47 | jasoncohen | ethics, apt-get install -t unstable gnome |
| 09:05.48 | eps | jasoncohen can't move to sid - this box needs to be workable at all times, :P |
| 09:05.57 | jasoncohen | eps, oh- this is your mythtv box? |
| 09:06.00 | liable | streuner: leave it off for a while? |
| 09:06.00 | jasoncohen | eps, i use sarge on mythtv |
| 09:06.10 | streuner | liable: about 5 minutes |
| 09:06.12 | eps | jasoncohen no my work box, though the myth box is still mdk |
| 09:06.14 | liable | hmm |
| 09:06.22 | jasoncohen | eps, sarge with cron-apt to automatically download/install security updates & email me the output |
| 09:06.24 | jasoncohen | :) |
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| 09:06.45 | streuner | liable: as rjordan already mentioned - hardware routers have batteries... |
| 09:06.48 | simonrvn | @wb |
| 09:06.49 | ravenbird | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
| 09:06.57 | nvz | forgive me, if I fail to see how hotplugging has anything what-so-ever to do with a Desktop Environment |
| 09:07.00 | jasoncohen | eps, the only good thing ubuntu did for me was get me to install debian on my mythtv box. it trashed my mdk install - gave me kernel panics on 3 seperate mdk kernels |
| 09:07.06 | TBBle | cyclus: Can I PM you? I'll give you the complete sequence for building nvidia's kernel module on sarge. |
| 09:07.08 | jasoncohen | so installed debian and haven't looked back |
| 09:07.17 | jasoncohen | it takes no work...i just use mythtv and forget about the server |
| 09:07.23 | eps | lol |
| 09:07.32 | bucky | jasoncohen, what did.. ubuntu? |
| 09:07.37 | simonrvn | @nvidia one-liner |
| 09:07.37 | ravenbird | apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick ... |
| 09:07.38 | nvz | though I don't hotplug or use a DE, so I guess its just not something I am familiar with |
| 09:07.44 | simonrvn | TBBle: ^^^ |
| 09:07.54 | jasoncohen | cyclus, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 09:07.55 | eps | can't wait for 2.10 :) |
| 09:08.06 | jasoncohen | use module assistant - it's awesome |
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| 09:08.14 | jasoncohen | apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common |
| 09:08.19 | jasoncohen | module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 09:08.23 | jasoncohen | apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 09:08.24 | TBBle | Oh, neat. I've never used module-assistant. I was just gonna paste my /root/.bash_history |
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| 09:08.47 | jasoncohen | TBBle, it makes building the nvidia module on new kernels a 30 second trivial task |
| 09:08.53 | jasoncohen | it builds the deb and installs for you |
| 09:09.25 | nvz | if only getting money to buy a good nvidia card were that easy |
| 09:09.38 | bluefox83 | it craps out at dns authentification, so i need to find out the dns info for my router i suppose.. |
| 09:09.39 | bucky | apt-get install money |
| 09:09.39 | jasoncohen | the fx5200 is quite good |
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| 09:09.58 | streuner | bucky: too easy :-) |
| 09:10.08 | TBBle | Neat! I'll keep that in mind if I ever get around to packaging openl2tp |
| 09:10.09 | petemc | apt-get install job |
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| 09:10.20 | nvz | apt-cache search job |
| 09:10.24 | jasoncohen | couldn't find package money |
| 09:10.38 | jasoncohen | it's been replaced with a new package : getajobloser |
| 09:10.43 | jasoncohen | :) |
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| 09:11.15 | bluefox83 | does anyone here know how to log into the webbrowser frontend to a linksys 4 port router/switch ? i seem to have forgotten the address to connect to :/ |
| 09:11.27 | jasoncohen | bluefox83, the dns on most routers is usually the router ip |
| 09:11.29 | TBBle | Although google's got a temporary repository at deb google.com summerofcode/ unstable free contrib |
| 09:11.29 | petemc | bluefox83: 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 09:11.35 | jasoncohen | bluefox83, so the gateway ip |
| 09:11.38 | bluefox83 | 1.1 ? |
| 09:11.48 | bluefox83 | i used 0.0 last time..lets try 1.1 |
| 09:11.57 | streuner | your hardware router (gateway) |
| 09:12.01 | jasoncohen | or you could use dhcp |
| 09:12.18 | jasoncohen | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 09:12.34 | streuner | dpkg, dhcp client |
| 09:12.34 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 09:12.58 | jasoncohen | TBBle, what's in their repo? |
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| 09:13.23 | nvz | that would be "Package money is a virtual package provided by:\n job\n winning-lottery-ticket\n family-inheritance\n You should explicitly select one to install.\n E: Package money has no installation candidate" |
| 09:13.28 | jasoncohen | are people still using potato? |
| 09:13.41 | streuner | nvz: hehe :-) |
| 09:13.43 | jasoncohen | :) |
| 09:13.45 | TBBle | jasoncohen: Money. ^_^ |
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| 09:14.05 | TBBle | jasoncohen: But you have to do the coding yourself, so it's only a half-functoinal repository |
| 09:14.16 | streuner | jasoncohen: why not? some people still use RH 5.3 |
| 09:14.16 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 09:14.19 | jasoncohen | i thought you were being serious |
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| 09:14.43 | jasoncohen | streuner, hmm, i think that's the version my father couldn't get his ethernet card working in... |
| 09:14.49 | TBBle | Who uses RH 5.3? Prefer reply to be as a list of IP addresses. |
| 09:14.59 | bob2 | haha |
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| 09:15.16 | guf | someone know a good cellphone program .. |
| 09:15.34 | jasoncohen | i wonder if anyone will ever build a gui frontend for wpa_supplicant |
| 09:15.38 | jasoncohen | it can be a bitch to setup by hand |
| 09:15.39 | nimrod_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.45 | ethics | strippoker |
| 09:15.50 | guf | =) |
| 09:15.50 | nvz | guf: that depends on wtf a cellphone program is/does |
| 09:15.53 | TBBle | guf: I don't understand the question. You want software to run a cellphone? |
| 09:15.55 | raf256 | ethics: where |
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| 09:16.18 | bob2 | jasoncohen: I think network manager handles it |
| 09:16.27 | guf | just want to connect to my cellphone.. upload / download pictures.. |
| 09:16.32 | ethics | a cellphone near you |
| 09:16.32 | jasoncohen | bob2, only WEP |
| 09:16.36 | guf | sharp gx30 phone |
| 09:16.36 | jasoncohen | i thought |
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| 09:16.37 | bob2 | ah |
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| 09:16.42 | heycam | hey, can someone here help me with apache2 and mod_perl 2 on debian? |
| 09:16.45 | eps | jasoncohen fonts:/// from root doesn't effect fonts:/// run by pleb... I copied all of the fonts from my windows paritition and they show up in root but not in my user |
| 09:16.54 | bob2 | heycam: best to just ask your question... |
| 09:16.57 | jasoncohen | weird |
| 09:16.57 | eps | and i can't (as my user) copy anything into fonts:/// |
| 09:17.02 | nvz | guf: have some kind of USB or mini USB port on it? |
| 09:17.07 | eps | jasoncohen did you have to logout/login? |
| 09:17.15 | jasoncohen | eps, maybe- try it |
| 09:17.18 | jasoncohen | otherwise add it as a user |
| 09:17.22 | heycam | sure bob2. i installed libapache2-mod-perl2, but i can't get a simple test cgi script working |
| 09:17.26 | guf | nvz, pure usb =) |
| 09:17.35 | heycam | the script requires ModPerl::Registry, but it didn't seem to be in the package |
| 09:17.43 | nvz | guf: tried to see if its a standard USB Mass Storage device yet? |
| 09:17.49 | bob2 | heycam: modperl itself works, tho? |
| 09:17.57 | guf | yes.. |
| 09:18.13 | streuner | heycam: if its not in debian, search in CPAN and use dh-make-perl |
| 09:18.15 | heycam | i think so, but i can't be sure as i'm just new to mod_perl. |
| 09:18.16 | nvz | guf: didn't work? |
| 09:18.24 | streuner | heycam: what version of debian? |
| 09:18.30 | heycam | unstable |
| 09:18.34 | guf | nvz, nopp. |
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| 09:18.40 | heycam | packages.debian.org tells me the libapache2-mod-perl2 package contains the file |
| 09:18.46 | heycam | in stable |
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| 09:18.50 | nvz | guf: take the vendor/product code you get from the kernel when it tells you its not claimed by any active driver, and search google for that code pair with the word linux |
| 09:18.51 | heycam | but maybe it's not there in unstable? |
| 09:19.02 | jasoncohen | bob2, you mean the gnome network tool? |
| 09:19.02 | Nigel | Hey there, i'm getting a horrible problem from logrotate... i now have a 14MB syslog (/var/log/syslog), which hasn't been rotated for 6 days, AND "logrotate -f /var/log/syslog" segfaults... |
| 09:19.03 | eps | k, |
| 09:19.06 | nvz | guf: if you dont have a driver all the software in the world wouldnt help |
| 09:19.09 | guf | nvz, tnx =) |
| 09:19.14 | eps | jasoncohen where is fonts:/// in relation to / ? |
| 09:19.15 | Nigel | it also happens on EVERY other logfile |
| 09:19.16 | guf | hehe |
| 09:19.19 | streuner | heycam: nah, if its in stable its in unstable as well |
| 09:19.33 | bob2 | jasoncohen: the new c# one, yeah |
| 09:19.33 | lim_x | eps: can you actually use any of the fonts that you were able to copy? I would bet you can't install fonts by copying them into a virtual filesystem, though I am a bit out of sync with gnome. |
| 09:19.45 | heycam | 'dpkg -L libapache2-mod-perl2 | grep Registry' comes up with nothing |
| 09:19.50 | bucky | heycam, anything in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ ? |
| 09:19.52 | jasoncohen | bob2, in 2.10, right? |
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| 09:20.00 | streuner | heycam: grep -i |
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| 09:20.03 | jasoncohen | eps, no idea |
| 09:20.04 | bob2 | jasoncohen: it's not in gnome at all, afaik |
| 09:20.06 | eps | lim_x no indea, think I might leave it for a moment and set it all up when I have more time |
| 09:20.10 | heycam | bucky: no nothing in there |
| 09:20.38 | Nigel | i.e. mail.log is 11MB... kern.log is now over 1Mb |
| 09:20.42 | bucky | heycam, cat /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 09:21.16 | lim_x | eps: try reading webpages; something like http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/debian_tt.html, though it is dated; google! |
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| 09:21.38 | heycam | bucky: the telling line is: [Sat Jun 18 19:20:40 2005] [error] [client 202.173.180.68] failed to resolve handler `ModPerl::Registry': Can't locate ModPerl/Registry.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . /etc/apache2) at (eval 2) line 3.\n |
| 09:21.51 | eps | k |
| 09:21.59 | heycam | and sure enough it is nowhere to be found |
| 09:22.08 | heycam | (ModPerl/Registry.pm that is) |
| 09:22.13 | nomed^ | still trying to understand why my debian doesnt' show me the prompt after boot up .. i can have it just removing all the Sx in /etc/rc[2,S] . if someone has an idea .. let me know. |
| 09:22.21 | nomed^ | i really can't understand ... |
| 09:22.24 | bucky | heycam, yea.. some guy had a problem with that the other day.. check BTS... |
| 09:22.42 | heycam | BTS=? |
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| 09:22.46 | sith-R2D2 | how do i check for rootkits under debian? |
| 09:22.50 | sith-R2D2 | chkrootkit? |
| 09:22.52 | Nigel | bugs.debian.org |
| 09:22.59 | heycam | ok |
| 09:23.05 | bucky | heycam, bug tracking system... you'll be using it alot if you use unstable |
| 09:23.07 | nvz | I have users on my system for samba, their homes are in /srv/samba, their accounts are disabled in /etc/shadow. I was wondering about possibly setting up disk quotas for these users. I have never setup quotas, but I dont think I would have to use normal kernel quotas, I seen something called smbcquotas - Set or get QUOTAs of NTFS 5 shares, could I set quotas through samba with this somehow? |
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| 09:23.30 | bob2 | sith-R2D2: bear in mind a decent rootkit will be undetectable, tho |
| 09:23.36 | jasoncohen | bob2, network-admin right? |
| 09:23.37 | chr1s | hey everyone. |
| 09:23.39 | bucky | heycam, or the devel mailing list archives |
| 09:23.46 | bob2 | sith-R2D2: unless you boot the machine with known-good media, likea a livecd |
| 09:23.51 | bob2 | jasoncohen: no, it's called NetworkManager |
| 09:23.58 | jasoncohen | oh, ok |
| 09:24.07 | chr1s | Does anyone know if debian executes .xsession after logging in with gdm? |
| 09:24.50 | jim | hmm, said live cd could have the root kit checkers on it, and run them upon boot |
| 09:25.08 | TBBle | Unless someone finds an ext3 driver exploit so that putting certain things in the superblock allowed code to be changed in the kernel on mounting that partition.... @_@ |
| 09:25.13 | jasoncohen | eps, get the fonts working? |
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| 09:25.47 | supsup | I'm trying to get my AMD 64 Debian to run 32-bit things. I downloaded and burnt ia32-libs but it has a bunch of dependencies. I got lsb-release but can't find lib32gccl. I don't think i can get my USB adapter working without this. |
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| 09:26.19 | heycam | bucky: found this bug report, but not replies unfortunately: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308281 |
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| 09:26.53 | sith-R2D2 | bob2, would using something like PHLAK or KNOPPIX-std put a trojan on my system. i have often wondered about those hacker-tools-in-a-can liveCDs. |
| 09:27.28 | kryptech | I have files that want to be removed when I do 'apt-get -f install' how do I clear the list of these files? |
| 09:27.36 | bucky | heycam, it says Everything works fine with the version 1.999.21-1 |
| 09:28.18 | raf256 | I wonder, can linux/debian be as secure as freebsd? |
| 09:28.25 | bob2 | sith-R2D2: I don't know what either of those are |
| 09:28.32 | nvz | I guess chr1s couldn't wait 3 minutes for me to answer his question |
| 09:28.40 | bob2 | sith-R2D2: it is certainly possible for someone to trojan a live cd, but I think it's highly unlikely that knoppix is trojaned |
| 09:28.46 | nvz | I was busy turning on music :P |
| 09:28.47 | jasoncohen | bob2, i take it NetworkManager has to be compiled from the CVS source. i can't find any debian package with the name network-manager, networkmanager or NetworkManager |
| 09:28.47 | PolarWolf | raf256: is freebsd secure? |
| 09:28.49 | TBBle | raf256: I'm not sure you understand your question. |
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| 09:29.07 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 09:29.11 | amorphix | the weekend is here |
| 09:29.12 | TBBle | Wait, Knoppix is "hacker in a can"? |
| 09:29.17 | petemc | heh |
| 09:29.18 | PolarWolf | And how does one define "secure" in this context anyway? |
| 09:29.20 | kryptech | Knoppix-std |
| 09:29.32 | bob2 | jasoncohen: it's not in Debian yet, but it is packaged...it requires patches to the dhcp client and a cvs version of libdbus, tho, iirc |
| 09:29.50 | sith-R2D2 | bob2, knoppix-std is knoppix with "security tools distribution"...basically it's a flavor of knoppix with a bunch of hacker tools on it. PHLAK = professional hacker's linux assault kit |
| 09:29.51 | lim_x | raf256: sure, don't connect to any network; for best result never install it... just a harmless CD, quite secure ;-) |
| 09:29.54 | jim | I thought prince albert was in the can! |
| 09:30.03 | jim | prince albert is a hacker?? |
| 09:30.03 | TBBle | Oh, right. |
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| 09:30.28 | nvz | who the hell is prince albert the hacker now? |
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| 09:30.41 | raf256 | lim_x: I ment: will ever finally linux have no user->root and breake-out-of-chroot exploits. Im a newbie in that subject so sorry if the question is not interesting |
| 09:30.45 | jasoncohen | bob2, " Your favorite Linux distribution probably already has packages for NetworkManager. Fedora Core, Debian, and Gentoo, are supported out of the box" ..strange |
| 09:30.46 | sith-R2D2 | So is chkrootkit any good for finding advanced rootkitsA? |
| 09:31.09 | TBBle | raf256: I'd say Linux has as few as FreeBSD does, but that's just speculation |
| 09:31.14 | jethro | sith-R2D2: no |
| 09:31.18 | rokstar | i found out the problem jasoncohen: gnomevfs2-0 does not wotk with the current version of libc and kernel 2.4.x |
| 09:31.28 | kryptech | is there a way to clear your chache of files to be upgraded when you do 'apt-get -f install' ? |
| 09:31.34 | amorphix | why cant i eject my cd |
| 09:31.49 | kryptech | amorphix: you probably havnt dismounted it |
| 09:31.50 | PolarWolf | amorphix: most likely because it's mounted |
| 09:31.50 | bob2 | jasoncohen: I might be out of date |
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| 09:31.58 | amorphix | oh |
| 09:31.59 | sith-R2D2 | jethro, so why even run chkrootkit? |
| 09:32.00 | raf256 | TBBle: how can I check are there any in my kernel (debian's current 2.6.8) |
| 09:32.06 | jethro | sith-R2D2: to find common rootkits |
| 09:32.28 | sith-R2D2 | jethro, you mean the kind script kiddies use eh? |
| 09:32.28 | jethro | sith-R2D2: ie: not advanced ones. it would all depend on what you call an "advanced" rootkit. |
| 09:32.35 | jethro | sith-R2D2: exactly. |
| 09:32.38 | bucky | kryptech, you mean redownload all the debs you want to install? |
| 09:32.39 | TBBle | raf256: Exploits? I'd check buigtraq, securityfocuscom, and the kernel changelogs. But I'd start with the debian changelogs for kernel-source |
| 09:32.48 | amorphix | umount: /dev/hdc is not mounted (according to mtab) |
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| 09:32.53 | TBBle | raf256: And the BTS |
| 09:33.05 | jasoncohen | rokstar, how did you figure that out? |
| 09:33.08 | amorphix | doesnt seem to be mounted and yet i cant eject cd |
| 09:33.10 | TBBle | An advanced rootkit is one that chkrootkit can't detect. |
| 09:33.12 | boukensya | hey guys I was just wondering how to mount an iso into a folder with loopback? |
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| 09:33.13 | raf256 | TBBle: BTS? |
| 09:33.16 | sith-R2D2 | Has anybody had a peek at the Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible that just came out this summer. Any good? |
| 09:33.23 | kryptech | bucky: no, it wants to uninstall stuff when I do it, but I want to abort, it wont let me intstall until I do a '-f install' and that would delete the files |
| 09:33.25 | amorphix | does anyone else find cd ejecting/mounting is buggy in linux? |
| 09:33.33 | kryptech | no |
| 09:33.34 | lim_x | raf256: the way you asked first implies that this was a joke question, thus my answer. concerning your second way of asking: no, privilege escalation will probably be with us for some time. Though you can try to reduce the damage, but adding access control lists (acl) to the kernel, which reduce both the rights of users and of the almighty root account. |
| 09:33.42 | PolarWolf | boukensya: Besides mount -o loop -t iso9660 ? |
| 09:33.42 | bucky | kryptech, are you upgrading? |
| 09:33.47 | amorphix | maybe i have a bad cdrom |
| 09:33.48 | rokstar | jasoncohen: i looked all the bugs related to gnome dependencies |
| 09:33.50 | kryptech | yes packages |
| 09:34.01 | amorphix | how can i get my cd out without rebooting? |
| 09:34.02 | kryptech | bucky: yes, I'm upgrading packages |
| 09:34.08 | bucky | kryptech, not a dist-upgrade |
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| 09:34.13 | kryptech | no |
| 09:34.15 | rokstar | jasoncohen: and this is the link: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314484 |
| 09:34.21 | TBBle | dpkg, tell raf256 about BTW |
| 09:34.21 | raf256 | lim_x: that is sad :( why cant kernel developers concentrate on this and fix it once and for all? |
| 09:34.22 | TBBle | dpkg, tell raf256 about BTS |
| 09:34.25 | TBBle | >_< |
| 09:34.29 | kryptech | amorphix: do you see a cd icon on your desktop |
| 09:34.29 | nvz | amorphix: check the nut behind the keyboard ... it gets loose sometimes |
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| 09:34.48 | heycam | bucky: i've got 1.999.23-1 |
| 09:34.49 | paulswm | boukensya: man mount, there is an example in there even |
| 09:34.51 | boukensya | PolarWolf: I tried that and it doesn't like it |
| 09:34.52 | amorphix | kryptech: no, the cdrom is not mounted |
| 09:34.57 | lim_x | raf256: I am not well versed in the art of breaking-a-chroot-jail (tm), but I guess the risk will always be there. |
| 09:34.59 | TBBle | raf256: Because every time they change something, a new potential one is introduced. Because if they could do that, they'd write bugfree code in the first place. |
| 09:35.02 | boukensya | okay thanks |
| 09:35.03 | bucky | kryptech, i'm not sure.. but debian wants you to do it all with aptitude.. maybe that has something to do with it now |
| 09:35.10 | PolarWolf | boukensya: Why not? |
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| 09:35.13 | kryptech | yeah... |
| 09:35.20 | sith-R2D2 | hungry... |
| 09:35.25 | bucky | heycam, install it |
| 09:35.28 | nvz | I got a _lot_ of stuff on my desktop, half a roll of toilet paper, tin snips, a phone that isnt hooked up.. etc but I dont think I would ever see a cd icon on it |
| 09:35.33 | heycam | bucky, oh right, ok :) |
| 09:35.34 | raf256 | hmm well, I wonder, is it realy _so_ hard to get that one ChangeUidOfProcess function and make it very secure? |
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| 09:35.53 | bucky | heycam, you'll have to uninstall the other version first |
| 09:35.58 | amorphix | what do i need to change so i can click on windows to make it become the active window? |
| 09:36.01 | cld | Hello, Do You know is Epic4-2.2 [Client: ircII EPIC4-2.2 (Commit Id: 730) (Internal Version: 20041213)] can manage files larger than 2GB (2147483647 bytes) ? |
| 09:36.02 | TBBle | raf256: Tell you what, if you provide the list of bugs, we'll see if we can get 'em fixed |
| 09:36.06 | PolarWolf | raf256: So what keeps you? |
| 09:36.12 | nvz | amorphix: your focus model |
| 09:36.17 | jasoncohen | rokstar, but i thought you did a dist-upgrade |
| 09:36.19 | PolarWolf | raf256: And what makes you think it's broken? |
| 09:36.20 | amorphix | nvz: thanks |
| 09:36.21 | raf256 | PolarWolf: lack of skill ;) ? |
| 09:36.22 | jasoncohen | it's been fixed in the newest version |
| 09:36.35 | boukensya | mount -o loop |
| 09:36.36 | raf256 | PolarWolf: well as other confirmed they are user->root exploits still |
| 09:36.37 | boukensya | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1, |
| 09:36.40 | boukensya | thats what I get |
| 09:36.43 | button | reall? some question |
| 09:36.48 | rokstar | jasoncohen: in fact i did! |
| 09:36.55 | heycam | bucky: so i tried 'apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2=1.999.21-1' and i got "Version '1.999.21-1' for 'libapache2-mod-perl2' was not found" |
| 09:37.02 | boukensya | missing codepage or other erro |
| 09:37.02 | jasoncohen | rokstar, it went into unstable today |
| 09:37.09 | nvz | amorphix: you want click focus not enter-exit, enter-only, or other such focus models |
| 09:37.10 | TBBle | raf256: Do you have a list at hand? |
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| 09:37.26 | raf256 | TBBle: with list? of existing exploits? no... I would like to find it though |
| 09:37.30 | PolarWolf | raf256: Odd, those generally get fixed in 5 minutes after discovery. Where do you get the information that there is still these kinds of bugs? |
| 09:37.33 | button | when i get some packages with apt-get in stdout i get Data socket timed out... |
| 09:37.37 | bucky | heycam, you're going to have a lot of trouble running unstable |
| 09:37.48 | rokstar | maybe the source.list that i use will be updated later? |
| 09:37.50 | raf256 | PolarWolf: actually on some hacking sides, I didnt read to much into it yet though |
| 09:37.50 | TBBle | raf256: Well, a good starting place would be the instructions I wrote earlier. |
| 09:38.02 | raf256 | TBBle: oki I will read what dpkg said |
| 09:38.05 | PolarWolf | raf256: Not that I claim there aren't, but apparently you've discovered something very important which needs to be fixed |
| 09:38.07 | sith-R2D2 | nvz, what is the roll of toilet paper for at your desk???! 8. |
| 09:38.10 | TBBle | No, not that. The bit before it. |
| 09:38.11 | heycam | bucky, hmm never had any other major troubles with unstable before :) |
| 09:38.22 | raf256 | PolarWolf: that was an quite old article actually |
| 09:38.24 | TBBle | Yes, also read what dpkg said, but that was just an explanation. |
| 09:38.24 | jasoncohen | rokstar, i guess you had to dist-upgrade more than once today! |
| 09:38.35 | heycam | maybe i can just find that file and stick it in manually ^^ |
| 09:38.50 | nvz | sith-R2D2: well, blowing my nose.. stuff like that |
| 09:38.52 | rokstar | i tryed just a sec later and it has nothing to upgrade |
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| 09:39.04 | heycam | thanks for your help bucky bob2 and streuner |
| 09:39.07 | rokstar | let me try to change the source list... |
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| 09:39.16 | jethro | !irritate CdtDelta |
| 09:39.16 | PolarWolf | boukensya: I assume your kernel supports ISO and the ISO you're trying to mount is actually an ISO to begin with? |
| 09:39.16 | dpkg | CdtDelta: hi every1 who uses cable plz msg me, cplx |
| 09:39.18 | maffelu__ | I get "Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 09:39.20 | maffelu__ | " |
| 09:39.25 | maffelu__ | when I try to start x |
| 09:39.30 | maffelu__ | what is wrong? |
| 09:39.50 | PolarWolf | raf256: SO basically you're claiming things which are not likely to be relevant at all anymore |
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| 09:40.24 | PolarWolf | raf256: You might engage in these discussions a little bit better prepared and informed the next time. One might call this a "troll", to be honest. |
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| 09:40.50 | jasoncohen | bob2, it works fine now w/o any changes to debian packages |
| 09:41.00 | jasoncohen | bob2, http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ |
| 09:41.06 | bob2 | jasoncohen: hm, ok |
| 09:41.20 | bob2 | I was talking to thom the other day, and I gathered it required more changes for debian |
| 09:41.23 | bob2 | but neat |
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| 09:41.31 | amorphix | nvm: click to focus doesnt seem to work :( |
| 09:41.36 | nvz | I think I might get a little sleep here... I don't think I am capable of doing anything useful. between the hours of 4am and 6am my mind sleeps reguardless of how tired I am or what I am doing.. its just not a good time of day for me |
| 09:42.26 | nvz | something about sunrising, birds chirping, and people turning on coffee pots all over town makes me tired |
| 09:42.48 | TBBle | Because they're sucking all the caffiene out of the air, into their coffee? |
| 09:42.56 | nvz | I guess |
| 09:43.21 | amorphix | when you make changes to X config using kcontrol do you need to restart X? |
| 09:43.22 | tarheelcoxn | nvz: (puts on Beastie Boys) "I stay up all night/go to sleep watching Dragnet" |
| 09:43.26 | raf256 | PolarWolf: why troll? O_o? im just concerned about my linux security |
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| 09:43.47 | raf256 | PolarWolf: I told on the start Im not very well informet, *therefore* Im asking.. :) |
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| 09:44.23 | raf256 | btw, is there easy way to install grSecurity for 2.6.8 on debian? like to get somewhere 2-6-8-k7 kernel image? |
| 09:44.40 | nvz | its actually like 17minutes till 6am.. so I could act like I am waking up and go do something, but then I would go to bed early tonight and thats not good |
| 09:44.41 | sith-R2D2 | foo |
| 09:44.58 | PolarWolf | raf256: First of all, you upgrade your kernel to one which is newer. You being concerned with security and all... |
| 09:45.05 | jasoncohen | bob2, apparently the deps missed one package. it said i didn't have libgnutls10. apt-file search libgnutls10 showed i needed libgnutls10 (lol) which i installed |
| 09:45.13 | tarheelcoxn | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 09:45.15 | raf256 | PolarWolf: 2.6.8 is the newest for debian/testing isnt it? |
| 09:45.15 | tarheelcoxn | err |
| 09:45.18 | tarheelcoxn | sorry guys |
| 09:45.27 | PolarWolf | raf256: No idea, but it's old |
| 09:45.49 | raf256 | hmm.. is it good idea to install newer then 2.6.8 kernel for debian/testing, and where can I get it? |
| 09:45.52 | TBBle | raf256: Yes, 2.6.8 is the Sarge 2.6 i386 kernel. |
| 09:45.53 | jasoncohen | raf256, no, 2.6.11 is in tseting |
| 09:46.00 | TBBle | It is? O_O |
| 09:46.01 | liable | amorphix: no. like what resolution? |
| 09:46.06 | raf256 | I have testing, nor sarge.. |
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| 09:46.23 | TBBle | Oh, good point. Sorry |
| 09:46.29 | nvz | tarheelcoxn: I don't know about that. I was listening to "How I Could Just Kill A Man" and not I am listening to "Bullet In The Head" |
| 09:46.31 | amorphix | liable: not sure what you mean |
| 09:46.31 | PolarWolf | raf256: It seems to be, yes. |
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| 09:47.24 | liable | amorphix: what exactly are you changing with this kcontrol? |
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| 09:47.33 | nvz | s/not/now/ |
| 09:47.38 | amorphix | liable: oh i changed the focus behaviour |
| 09:47.39 | tarheelcoxn | nvz: RATM? |
| 09:47.49 | nvz | tarheelcoxn: yep |
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| 09:47.55 | tarheelcoxn | :D |
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| 09:48.08 | liable | amorphix: then, no. |
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| 09:48.31 | nvz | I was telling my friends we need to make a political band. we got a _lot_ of local political subject matter to write about |
| 09:48.34 | amorphix | liable: ok thanks |
| 09:49.25 | amorphix | i find it really annoying that the active window always stays ontop regardless of what window you click behind it |
| 09:50.01 | nvz | police doing their usual dirty work, school district robbing us blind, landslides, judges dead in their car, no Independence day celebrations this year.. |
| 09:50.15 | nvz | theres plenty to go on around here |
| 09:50.38 | TBBle | Landslides are a political problem? |
| 09:51.10 | liable | *off |
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| 09:51.35 | nvz | TBBle: one is on the school districts property and its like 3 shovels full of mud, and they've had the road closed for like 6 months |
| 09:51.53 | dutchfish | where can i find doc to properly setup suexec+apache2+php on debian-sarge? |
| 09:51.56 | dondelelcaro | oh well |
| 09:52.12 | amorphix | burn em all up |
| 09:52.19 | liable | dondelelcaro: stolen? |
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| 09:52.30 | amorphix | nvz: set fire to the town hall |
| 09:52.34 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: install the requisite packages, then set up suexec appropriately. |
| 09:52.44 | dondelelcaro | liable: nah, probably just failed |
| 09:52.53 | jasoncohen | bob2, well networkmanager installed and it starts but when i run NetworkManagerInfo no gui comes up |
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| 09:53.05 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, wich packages you mean by requisite? |
| 09:53.07 | nvz | amorphix: bah, we are just going to tear it down, from the town hall all the way to the end of the block, including the bar on the corner |
| 09:53.08 | jasoncohen | it just runs as a service |
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| 09:53.16 | tarheelcoxn | dondelelcaro: lol |
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| 09:53.19 | amorphix | nvz: hehe |
| 09:53.22 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: apache2, libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 09:53.29 | nvz | amorphix: no, seriously :) |
| 09:53.38 | amorphix | radical change |
| 09:53.42 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i need to use phpcgi |
| 09:53.43 | nvz | we've been planning it for nearly a decade |
| 09:53.49 | tarheelcoxn | dondelelcaro: they have nice trash in your neck of the woods? |
| 09:53.50 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: err, right. php4-cgi |
| 09:53.54 | dondelelcaro | tarheelcoxn: yes. |
| 09:54.00 | amorphix | i hate linux. |
| 09:54.07 | amorphix | but also love it |
| 09:54.27 | dondelelcaro | although, suexec php4 is crap. But then, there's not much difference between that and regular php. |
| 09:54.28 | amorphix | linux is twisted |
| 09:54.34 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, so far i get my perl-cgi working but php fails under susexec |
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| 09:55.34 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: fails how? |
| 09:55.39 | TBBle | There's also suphp, for more variety |
| 09:55.40 | amorphix | look at this windows taunting me, click me click me, but when you do nothing happens...change the gamma setting in kcontrol, close kcontrol and it reverts back to previous setting |
| 09:55.46 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, premature end of scipt errors |
| 09:55.57 | amorphix | arrrrgh |
| 09:56.00 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, in apache-eror-logs |
| 09:56.31 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, do i need apache2-mod-suphp also? |
| 09:56.32 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: and do the scripts run properly when you call them as the appropriate user using php4-cgi? |
| 09:56.39 | hairy_potter | peterS: hola! |
| 09:56.56 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, scripts work perfect when invoked from commandline |
| 09:56.57 | tarheelcoxn | nvz: how many mg of caffeine are you running on? |
| 09:57.18 | amorphix | i think nvz has moved to grams |
| 09:57.27 | nvz | amorphix: you got a syntax error there. E_TOOMANYWORDS between kde and sux, and improper use of the word maybe |
| 09:57.27 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: they run, but what exactly do they output? |
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| 09:57.41 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i just need more info on patching suexec |
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| 09:57.42 | amorphix | hehe |
| 09:57.54 | nvz | I am drinking powerade, it contains no caffine |
| 09:58.04 | nvz | I don't consume caffine |
| 09:58.07 | amorphix | how does it work then? |
| 09:58.11 | liable | lsd maybe? |
| 09:58.11 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, so far i tried phpinfo() and all seams ok |
| 09:58.15 | amorphix | sugar high? |
| 09:58.27 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: what is the very first line that is output? |
| 09:58.29 | Blastaway | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html: If the line of output does not begin with "i", you should install it before you start the upgrade using the instructions in Installing woody version of aptitude, Section A.2.. If my line starts with "ii", is that ok? |
| 09:58.32 | amorphix | i cant tolerate caffine |
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| 09:58.35 | tarheelcoxn | amorphix: there is no such thing |
| 09:58.44 | nvz | there are is 15g of sugar in each bottly, I've got like 6 of em sitting here |
| 09:58.51 | nvz | I didnt drink em all today though |
| 09:58.51 | tarheelcoxn | had a prof point me to a study |
| 09:58.58 | TBBle | Blastaway: Yes, since ii starts with 'i'. |
| 09:59.03 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, hold on i need to check |
| 09:59.04 | Blastaway | TBBle: k |
| 09:59.09 | amorphix | he's on a sugar high |
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| 10:00.09 | amorphix | whats a decent desktop enviro to run then instead of kde? |
| 10:00.17 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: no desktop environment. |
| 10:00.23 | TBBle | wmii |
| 10:00.29 | amorphix | that sounds very userable, not |
| 10:00.32 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: you're better off just running a WM and using a CLI. |
| 10:00.56 | amorphix | excuse my ignorance but what's a CLI |
| 10:01.07 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: command line. Like bash or zsh |
| 10:01.08 | liable | oh dear |
| 10:01.12 | amorphix | oh |
| 10:01.28 | amorphix | i think i might try fluxbox |
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| 10:01.31 | dondelelcaro | the whole purpose of X is to have loads of xterms. |
| 10:01.44 | dondelelcaro | (or uxterms or rxvts or whatever) |
| 10:01.57 | amorphix | i thought it was to replace Windows |
| 10:02.07 | dondelelcaro | it predates windows |
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| 10:02.12 | PolarWolf | I kinda like xfce |
| 10:02.17 | amorphix | to make a point and clicky gui to Linux |
| 10:02.28 | ram1234 | i am trying to run minicom on usb port. (serial - USB). minicom is giving error saying no such device. but when i do ls -l i see the device ? |
| 10:02.34 | ram1234 | what could be the problem. |
| 10:02.37 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: it predates linux by 10 years. |
| 10:02.42 | amorphix | wow |
| 10:02.46 | amorphix | didnt know that |
| 10:03.00 | amorphix | everything sucks in my kde |
| 10:03.07 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: so don't use KDE. |
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| 10:03.11 | amorphix | fonts, window behaviour etc |
| 10:03.20 | amorphix | its looking second best to XP |
| 10:03.26 | TBBle | You want X + wmii + uxterm. And possibly some learning curve time. |
| 10:03.31 | tarheelcoxn | amorphix: kde sucks everything in |
| 10:03.37 | PolarWolf | amorphix: All the stuff you see touted by big industry players as "new" and "advanced" has already been thought of and built in the '70s and '80s |
| 10:03.40 | amorphix | but kde has some nice software apps |
| 10:03.42 | resiak | amorphix: GNUStep, Gnome, XFce, etc |
| 10:03.45 | tarheelcoxn | ...to memory |
| 10:03.46 | TBBle | Fluxbox's possibly easier to start with than wmii thouh. |
| 10:03.55 | PolarWolf | amorphix: It's just now that we have the network bandwidth to fully enjoy it |
| 10:03.55 | resiak | amorphix: You can run them on anything |
| 10:04.01 | ram1234 | has anyone worked on serial-usb ? |
| 10:04.21 | amorphix | did Xerox make the first X? |
| 10:04.23 | PolarWolf | ram1234: Only to get access to my Siemens phone |
| 10:04.41 | ram1234 | i want to run minicom on it. |
| 10:04.45 | ram1234 | but cant get it ? |
| 10:04.48 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: no, MIT did. It was called Athena. http://www.saao.ac.za/unix/node66.html |
| 10:04.53 | amorphix | oh cool |
| 10:05.03 | ram1234 | it says /dev/ttyUSB0 : No such device |
| 10:05.03 | amorphix | i have a PDA with a MIT processor in it |
| 10:05.08 | ram1234 | what could be wrong |
| 10:05.10 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, 1st line is contenttype text/html |
| 10:05.13 | ram1234 | any ideas ? |
| 10:05.14 | PolarWolf | ram1234: Maybe it's right |
| 10:05.25 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, asume you pointing me to something else? |
| 10:05.28 | ram1234 | so, how to make it work ? |
| 10:05.29 | resiak | amorphix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System |
| 10:05.30 | amorphix | MIT is understated for their contribution to computer industry? |
| 10:05.59 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, the script was run by the virtual user on the commandline |
| 10:05.59 | ram1234 | but ls -l says the device exists |
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| 10:06.27 | liable | ram1234: running minicom as root? |
| 10:06.29 | amorphix | my laptop is damn hot! |
| 10:06.37 | ram1234 | i am using root |
| 10:06.41 | amorphix | its only been running 2 hrs |
| 10:06.44 | PolarWolf | ram1234: dmesg | grep USB0, and check whether or not you have the proper permissions to access the device |
| 10:06.50 | TBBle | A MIT processor? Not MIPS? |
| 10:06.59 | ram1234 | 1 sec |
| 10:07.02 | amorphix | TBBle: MIPS is by MIT? |
| 10:07.22 | TBBle | No. MIPS is a CPU type. MIT is a university. |
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| 10:07.29 | amorphix | MIT invented the MIPS |
| 10:07.34 | amorphix | isnt it? |
| 10:07.42 | TBBle | Is it? Dunno. |
| 10:07.47 | amorphix | i think they did |
| 10:07.50 | PolarWolf | MIPS has been developed by committee, no> |
| 10:07.53 | PolarWolf | s/>/?/ |
| 10:08.02 | nvz | yeah well I guess am high on Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Maltodextrin, Citric Acid, Niacinamide, Pyridoxine, Sodium, Potassium, Sugar, Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cyanocobalamin, and delta-9-tetra-hydro-cannabinol, other natural flavors, and few choice other things.. if you really wanted to know |
| 10:08.10 | asuffield | PolarWolf: no. one guy made it up |
| 10:08.25 | amorphix | nvz you're probably high on sleep deprivation too |
| 10:08.31 | amorphix | brain goes funny |
| 10:08.31 | nvz | the rest is lack of sleep, yeah |
| 10:08.40 | ram1234 | it has proper permissions |
| 10:08.42 | ram1234 | no issues |
| 10:08.51 | PolarWolf | "In 1981, a team led by John Hennessy at Stanford University started work on what would become the first MIPS processor." |
| 10:09.02 | amorphix | oh |
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| 10:09.23 | asuffield | mips itself was basically just hennessy |
| 10:09.37 | nvz | I ate about a whole box of Fruity Pebbles today too |
| 10:09.37 | amorphix | are MIPS cpus only low power micro cpus for small devices, do you find them in real systems? |
| 10:09.41 | asuffield | the research team was doing chip design stuff in general |
| 10:09.42 | nvz | among other things |
| 10:09.48 | PolarWolf | amorphix: SGI was a big MIPS user |
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| 10:10.05 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: not just the typical "professor takes credit for everything"? |
| 10:10.16 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: not this time |
| 10:10.17 | toresbe | oooh, 2.6.12 out! |
| 10:10.23 | asuffield | mips isn't really that complicated, mind |
| 10:10.25 | nvz | I stayed away from the Dream Cicles cause I think they might be bad for me. |
| 10:10.37 | asuffield | that was kinda the point. it was the practical invention of RISC |
| 10:10.38 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: could be... I haven't really looked at it. |
| 10:10.47 | asuffield | MIPS was the poster child for the concept |
| 10:10.59 | nvz | seems like everytime I eat one I get food poisioning or something |
| 10:11.01 | amorphix | how do they make that cream come out the can all fat and swirly when its liquid inside when you shake it? |
| 10:11.07 | ram1234 | will be back soon. |
| 10:11.08 | amorphix | thats a mystery |
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| 10:11.39 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, you meant the output of the php scripts first line? |
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| 10:12.00 | Blastaway | ok, I have to upgrade a production server(root server at a hoster --> I can only access the server thru SSH) from woody to sarge. I can still use Kernel 2.4 right? |
| 10:12.11 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: yes. Assuming you're seeing Content-Type: text/html\n\n then things are working properly. |
| 10:12.20 | nvz | my brother thinks I am crazy for saying that.. but I told him, your body has two ways it normally gets rid of waste products, and does a good job of outputting the solids one way and the liquids another.. when I eat orange dreamcicles it messes up this proccess, call it what you like, I call it food poisioning |
| 10:12.22 | TBBle | A cream-filled MIPS? |
| 10:12.34 | liable | Blastaway: yes. |
| 10:12.36 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yes but still apache2 wont show it remote |
| 10:12.48 | amorphix | haha |
| 10:12.51 | nvz | they are good, I just cant take the imbalance |
| 10:12.57 | amorphix | a cream filled MIPS puff |
| 10:13.09 | Blastaway | liable: I'm so scared to upgrade to sarge cuz if it doesn't work, I'm basically.... fvcked |
| 10:13.15 | TBBle | Self-heating, but an expensive treat... |
| 10:13.24 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, only when i ivoke it like test@brown:~/httpdocs$ ../cgi-bin/php4 test.php |
| 10:13.57 | amorphix | i have 2 PDA's with MIPS cpu's one is running a httpd via IR |
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| 10:14.29 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i patched suexec to let it work with php as the virtual user |
| 10:14.41 | amorphix | the cream puff one is running the httpd, and its barely warm |
| 10:15.01 | amorphix | yet my HP omnibook 6000 is so hot after just 2 hrs i could fry an egg on the base |
| 10:15.09 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i want php be run as the virtual under suexec |
| 10:15.12 | Blastaway | Important! You should not upgrade using telnet, rlogin, rsh, or from an X session managed by xdm, gdm or kdm etc on the machine you are upgrading. What about ssh? |
| 10:15.41 | amorphix | ssh would be in same category, no? |
| 10:15.53 | Blastaway | ok, my bad lol |
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| 10:16.01 | Blastaway | a line before: Distribution upgrade should be done either locally from a textmode virtual console (or a directly connected serial terminal), or remotely via an ssh link. |
| 10:16.05 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, is there any tutor you are aware off for this topic? |
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| 10:16.23 | amorphix | ah |
| 10:16.47 | tarheelcoxn | Blastaway: why do you need to be in a gdm/kdm session to do the upgrade? |
| 10:16.56 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: eh? you don't need to patch suexec |
| 10:17.20 | lim_x | Blastaway: I figure you could upgrade inside a "screen" session, even if logged in remotely; but if something goes really wrong, you might want physical access. |
| 10:17.27 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: you just need to have the files that you want to run under the directory that suexec will allow to be executed, typically /var/www |
| 10:17.34 | amorphix | someone needs to think up an ingenious way of getting laptops cooler that doesnt involve tiying a piece of string around it and swinging it around in the air outside in the wind |
| 10:17.36 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, as far as i know php-cgi runs not as separate virtual users per default |
| 10:17.50 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yup i have |
| 10:18.08 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: it doesn't, but the whole purpose of suexec is to setuid, then call php-cgi. |
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| 10:18.35 | Blastaway | The Berkley database routines, are they essential to run debian sarge? |
| 10:18.37 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yes, but thats my problem i gues |
| 10:18.55 | amorphix | how userable is cpu stepping now in 2.6.11? |
| 10:19.00 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, it doesnt seam to work (only from the commandline) |
| 10:19.01 | Blastaway | what about the "locales"? those things are just "nice to have", no?` |
| 10:19.08 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: see http://www.pookey.co.uk/php-security.xml |
| 10:19.16 | MrJung_- | wat do i need for dns hots resolving in local network, ... its not working with dhcp on router |
| 10:19.17 | tarheelcoxn | amorphix: http://www.hardwarecooling.com/default.php/cPath/33 perhaps? |
| 10:19.22 | amorphix | thanks |
| 10:19.24 | dondelelcaro | Blastaway: you need them unless you're using C. |
| 10:19.37 | Blastaway | dondelelcaro: k |
| 10:19.38 | dondelelcaro | (as in the C locale) |
| 10:20.00 | dondelelcaro | Blastaway: as far as libdb, you'll need them if you have anything that depends on them. |
| 10:20.03 | amorphix | i give up. |
| 10:20.07 | amorphix | my system is so screwed |
| 10:20.21 | amorphix | cant even open a url in konqueror |
| 10:20.33 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, link doesnt load |
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| 10:21.12 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: it does, but it may not render. Try http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:QBhU3VKTxC4J:www.pookey.co.uk/php-security.xml |
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| 10:21.52 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yes, thx very much! |
| 10:21.58 | amorphix | and if you think linux sys was rock solid compared to windows, think again. |
| 10:22.32 | amorphix | fuk it, im gonna restart X in flux |
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| 10:23.16 | Blastaway | how can I still find woody sources.list entries? |
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| 10:24.00 | zumbi | how could i find out what programs on my system are taking more space ? |
| 10:24.02 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yep that resolves my problem ... you are the greatest! |
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| 10:24.26 | liable | zumbi: ram? |
| 10:24.31 | zumbi | Blastaway, what do you mean ? apt-setup does ? |
| 10:24.43 | zumbi | liable, no ram, hd |
| 10:26.18 | yo2lux | i compile kernel 2.6.x on debian 3.1 sarge and i have this error at boot : kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel |
| 10:26.21 | yo2lux | what need to do ? |
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| 10:26.58 | cmihai | Pass the right init in your boot loader :) |
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| 10:27.34 | dondelelcaro | yo2lux: you've passed a root= option that does not contain a init=/sbin/init. |
| 10:27.44 | dondelelcaro | yo2lux: generally this happens when you've given the wrong root= option |
| 10:28.07 | yo2lux | thanks |
| 10:28.24 | Blastaway | upgrading the glibc is a "hardcore" change to the system which can fvck it up, right? |
| 10:28.33 | dondelelcaro | Blastaway: yes. |
| 10:28.40 | icyfire0573 | yea! |
| 10:28.42 | Blastaway | but I have to do it someday anyways |
| 10:28.47 | dondelelcaro | Blastaway: yes. |
| 10:28.53 | icyfire0573 | also true |
| 10:28.57 | zumbi | Blastaway, today ? |
| 10:29.05 | Blastaway | I'm following the realase notes on debian.org os. |
| 10:29.07 | Blastaway | so |
| 10:29.26 | dondelelcaro | well, the stable upgrade shouldn't screw anything up |
| 10:29.27 | Blastaway | zumbi: well... I just want mysql4 and I have to finish work till tomorrow evening |
| 10:29.38 | yo2lux | i have this line in menu.lst : kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda1 ro |
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| 10:29.50 | yo2lux | like kernel 2.4.27 line |
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| 10:29.54 | zumbi | umm , ok Blastaway :-D |
| 10:29.59 | dondelelcaro | yo2lux: is /dev/hda1 actually the device that has init on it? |
| 10:30.11 | yo2lux | yes |
| 10:30.22 | Blastaway | zumbi: that project has to be finished by monday evening and I'm just fed up with mysql3.23 :) mysql4 would help ALOT :) |
| 10:30.23 | iluciv | I need some help with the sh command |
| 10:30.39 | Blastaway | ok.... I've hit "y" for upgrading glibc..... I'm hardcore :D |
| 10:30.42 | icyfire0573 | iluciv: be more specific |
| 10:31.37 | Blastaway | but the reboot could fail after installing glibc, right? then I'm fvcked too |
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| 10:31.56 | yo2lux | yes i have /sbin/init on /dev/hda1 |
| 10:32.21 | zumbi | Blastaway, cross your fingers :-D, |
| 10:32.25 | TBBle | I dunno if this was answered, but upgrading over ssh is a bit safer, because restarting the ssh daemon doesn't drop the ssh link. But if you do upgrade over ssh, make sure you can open a new ssh connection and su to root before you log off, in case sshd or pam got boned. |
| 10:32.27 | Blastaway | :D |
| 10:32.48 | Blastaway | well, ssh restarted already :D |
| 10:32.55 | icyfire0573 | Blastaway: lots of stuff is possible, but debian is a *nice* distro, with dist upgrade to a differen't glibc it shouldn't affect you, also they plan for regular updates that would change the glibc (i thinkg) |
| 10:32.57 | dondelelcaro | Blastaway: a reboot wouldn't fail, generally speaking. However, don't logout until you've loged into ssh again. |
| 10:33.05 | Blastaway | aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade ... to do or not to do ;) |
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| 10:33.15 | iluciv | icyfire0573: well I have a script I want to install I managed to install it previously but the updated script and now the older script only give me a new command prompt; the script is for update the kernel and other options and should have a lot of dialogue |
| 10:33.33 | lim_x | Anyone knows if there are docs on howto create your own deb packages (from debian sources); the idea is to update "uwoody" (http://people.debian.org/~andersee/) using the new stable system. I guess something between LFS (for the static toolchain) and then "apt-build" to ease dependency hell; but are there any real docs? |
| 10:33.45 | yo2lux | i need a good howto to build kernel |
| 10:33.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell lim_x about new maintainer |
| 10:33.56 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 10:33.56 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 10:33.57 | dondelelcaro | lim_x: ^^ |
| 10:34.01 | dondelelcaro | yo2lux: /msg dpkg kp |
| 10:34.11 | icyfire0573 | iluciv: are you sure you aren't better off with /bin/bash (im probably not the person to be talking to about this) |
| 10:34.43 | dondelelcaro | iluciv: you're better off doing all of that manually or using make-kpkg instead of some random script. |
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| 10:35.09 | iluciv | icyfire0573: /me noobie I thought it was part of /bin/bash |
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| 10:35.38 | Shay | hey, didn't know about that maintainer's guidde |
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| 10:36.06 | portahex | iluciv, are you running kanotix? |
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| 10:36.22 | all2slow | I want to setup email hosting on a debian system. what other good transport agents besides exim4 ? |
| 10:36.26 | iluciv | no ubuntu and knoppmyth |
| 10:36.29 | icyfire0573 | iluciv: /bin/sh is distinctive from /bin/bash, even if /bin/sh is a link to /bin/bash (it acts differently, (plus other stuff) |
| 10:37.27 | PolarWolf | all2slow: What's wrong with exim? It's very nice, especially for people who have no idea what they're doing. |
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| 10:37.42 | iluciv | so other ways of running update-kernel.sh are there other than ./update-kernel.sh sh update-kernel.sh |
| 10:37.45 | all2slow | that might include me |
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| 10:38.43 | iluciv | or at least testing/debuging, so I know whats happening, if anything. |
| 10:38.46 | all2slow | exim works well. how bout a pop server ? ipopd ? |
| 10:39.00 | TBBle | ildegar_: You should have gotten a message from dpkg earlier about upgrading kernels... |
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| 10:39.12 | icyfire0573 | all2slow: courier imap & pop |
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| 10:40.21 | ram123 | i am trying to run minicom on usb port. |
| 10:40.28 | ram123 | facing problems. |
| 10:40.46 | ram123 | minocom says no such file or device. but ls says file exists |
| 10:40.50 | wols_ | all2slow: exim4 and postfix usually. There is a pretty good tutorial for postfix+courier here: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 10:41.21 | TBBle | ram123: No such file or device means there's no device behind the device node. Are you sure you've got a USBSerial device? Check your kernel logs. |
| 10:41.46 | ram123 | which file i should check |
| 10:41.53 | ram123 | dmesg gives the following output |
| 10:41.56 | lim_x | dondelelcaro: I have read that one, in fact I have packaged before; but never an entire package tree (uwoody uses uclibc instead of libc). I think asking/looking for information might consume less time compared to stumbling onward alone... thanks anyway |
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| 10:42.12 | ram123 | drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Generic |
| 10:42.13 | ram123 | usbcore: registered new driver usbserial |
| 10:42.13 | ram123 | drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core v2.0 |
| 10:42.13 | ram123 | usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2 |
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| 10:42.30 | paulswm | *sigh* first thing I see when I peek in |
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| 10:43.23 | Shay | hah paul |
| 10:43.43 | dondelelcaro | lim_x: repackaging an entire tree is rather complicated. You'd have to have uclibc provide libc6 and the appropriate shlibdeps, then rebuild everything, and patch errors when they cropped up |
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| 10:44.31 | ram123 | do u know what i should do ? |
| 10:44.37 | ram123 | which file i should check ? |
| 10:44.41 | zulkifar | Hi. How to reencode .flac into .mp3 preserving tags? |
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| 10:45.43 | raf256 | how can I make that only users in group sudo can use sudo or su? |
| 10:45.52 | raf256 | because now any user can use "su" as I see |
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| 10:46.07 | dondelelcaro | raf256: using su isn't a big deal, because they'd have to know the password of the user they want to su to. |
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| 10:46.15 | liable | raf256: yes, but they need the password. |
| 10:46.19 | jethro | raf256: use pam.d/su to restrict access to su |
| 10:46.26 | Blastaway | do I need to reboot the server after I upgraded to sarge? |
| 10:46.33 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: liable well yes, but I want to make it more secure |
| 10:46.37 | raf256 | jethro: how exacly? |
| 10:46.41 | lim_x | dondelelcaro: I know; have done that for pkgs not provided by uwoody (but by woody) and found enough small differences between the implementations; but then I had a uwoody base to start from; I hoped someone from the emdebian people might be here; I guess the do something similiar. |
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| 10:47.16 | lauraw | Blastaway: no, but might be good, if you're near it, so you're sure it still boots and, say, grub didn't get corrupted because of a disk error |
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| 10:47.33 | jethro | raf256: deny access to all users but root (and members of the wheel group) |
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| 10:47.44 | raf256 | k |
| 10:47.47 | dondelelcaro | lim_x: try asking in #emdebian |
| 10:47.59 | raf256 | jethro: does wheel group have other special capabilities by deafult? |
| 10:48.08 | jethro | raf256: it doesn't exist by default on debian. |
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| 10:48.12 | binarym | hi all ? |
| 10:48.13 | liable | Blastaway: unless you installed a new kernel no. But you may need to restart services. |
| 10:48.14 | raf256 | ok |
| 10:48.19 | lim_x | dondelelcaro: there is such a channel? ups, mea culpa. |
| 10:48.22 | dondelelcaro | raf256: it won't make it more secure... since anyone who could su will be able to login as that user anyway |
| 10:48.31 | binarym | there's no more ssl support compiled in lftp package for sarge ? |
| 10:48.35 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: how? |
| 10:48.39 | Blastaway | lauraw: ok, but it's not necessary. That's actually good cuz yeah, no physical access to the server. |
| 10:48.49 | dondelelcaro | raf256: by supplying the password, just as they would with su. |
| 10:48.52 | jethro | dondelelcaro: that would all depend on how you login. |
| 10:48.53 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: I want to protect from like apache--remote_code_execution->su(root)->... |
| 10:48.56 | portahex | !test |
| 10:48.56 | dpkg | Sorry, portahex, I didn't get your test. |
| 10:49.33 | dondelelcaro | raf256: uh, apache better not be running as root. |
| 10:49.46 | zumbi | liable, i found that command.. dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -n :-D |
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| 10:50.02 | Blastaway | server still runs |
| 10:50.08 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: how to test is it running as root (and how to change it)? |
| 10:50.11 | dondelelcaro | raf256: an exploit as the apache user isn't particularly exciting unless you've got a local root exploit. A restricted su won't protect you from one of those. |
| 10:50.15 | Blastaway | whoa |
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| 10:50.25 | jethro | raf256: it's not running as root by default. |
| 10:50.33 | zulkifar | I have a directory tree with .FLACs which I created using 'abcde'. Now I want to create another tree but with lowrate MP3s. Is there a tool which can help me? |
| 10:50.36 | TBBle | raf256: Protect your root password, and people can't su to root. ^_^ |
| 10:50.43 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: there are none known user->root exploits in 2.6.8 or .11? assuming the user can run arbitrary code |
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| 10:51.04 | dondelelcaro | raf256: there are, but AFAIK they've been patched in Debian's 2.6.8. |
| 10:51.14 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: what about 2.6.11, is it secure now? |
| 10:51.19 | lauraw | zulkifar: command line? gnome? kde? some other environment? |
| 10:51.19 | dondelelcaro | raf256: I don't remember. |
| 10:51.30 | zulkifar | lauraw: command line prefered |
| 10:51.36 | jasoncohen | there were root exploits in 2.6.8? when were they patched? |
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| 10:51.55 | zulkifar | lauraw: something like abcde - minimal, useful, simple and genious :) |
| 10:52.17 | jasoncohen | heh, i remember on mdk 10.1 there was a security kernel upgrade but i couldnt' use it becuase i would get a kernel panic with every version of the patched kernel...talk about unstable packages |
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| 10:52.30 | jasoncohen | you would think they would want a stable kernel |
| 10:52.44 | ram123 | hello usb-serial |
| 10:52.50 | ram123 | anyone has tried it before |
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| 10:52.58 | ram123 | facing some problems |
| 10:53.14 | jethro | raf256: anyways, you want keep apache up to date and patch remote code execution vulnerabilities. su is not an issue there |
| 10:53.30 | raf256 | jethro: ok. |
| 10:53.33 | zulkifar | lauraw: actually, first, I'd like to know how to just recode FLAC to MP3... piping decoded flac to lame doesn't help since I loose tags :( |
| 10:53.36 | TBBle | kernel-image-2.6.8-i386 is built against kernel-tree-2.6.8-16 (from the changelog) |
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| 10:53.58 | lauraw | zulkifar: it's been years since I needed to make mp3s, I don't know what those tools are like, now that I tinhk about it |
| 10:54.05 | TBBle | kernel-tree-2.6.8 is the same in sarge, etch and sid. |
| 10:54.07 | jethro | raf256: and also make sure you don't run vulnerable content, be it php, perl, or whatever |
| 10:54.18 | zulkifar | lauraw: what are you using now? |
| 10:54.19 | TBBle | Changelog for kernel-tree-2.6.8 2.6.8-16 is: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.8/kernel-source-2.6.8_2.6.8-16/changelog |
| 10:54.30 | lauraw | zulkifar: I use .ogg only |
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| 10:55.03 | TBBle | Start with the 'CAN' fixes, those are almost certainly security bugs. Other bugs fixed may also be security. |
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| 10:55.25 | zulkifar | lauraw: makes no difference - same problem |
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| 10:55.57 | lauraw | zulkifar: ah, but I know how to create oggs :) oggenc is the command |
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| 10:56.42 | zulkifar | lauraw: and what? Can oggenc read flacs or what? |
| 10:56.45 | blaster | On which CD-Image is a GUI for Debian? |
| 10:56.53 | dondelelcaro | blaster: the first iso has it. |
| 10:57.11 | lauraw | zulkifar: a moment, I'll check |
| 10:57.15 | blaster | ok, thank you. |
| 10:57.30 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 10:57.30 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. |
| 10:57.30 | TBBle | raf256: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=kernel-source-2.6.8 lists all the outstanding buts on 2.6.8. So between that and the changelog, you can see what's broken and what's fixed from what's known. |
| 10:57.45 | raf256 | TBBle: thnx |
| 10:57.47 | zulkifar | lauraw: I've just it myself too, seems so :) |
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| 10:58.06 | zulkifar | s/just/just checked |
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| 10:59.00 | djtansey | does anyone here have experience migrating email between two servers? i am switching from one VPS provider to another and am trying to keep all the email mailboxes. (users usually connect using squirrelmail so the old email needs to stay) |
| 10:59.18 | lauraw | zulkifar: yep. find . -name '*.flac' -print0 | xargs -0 oggenc -q0 |
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| 10:59.46 | dondelelcaro | djtansey: just rsync the mailboxes over, then when the ips have flipped, lock the mailboxes, kill off squirrelmail, rsync them again, and start up squirellmail on the new server. |
| 10:59.49 | TBBle | raf256: Unless you need something in a kernel > 2.6.8, I'd stick with that as it's probably at the pinnacle of security support, compared to something in testing. |
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| 11:00.13 | xirtam | oh shit ... i tried the ubuntu packages for apt ... i switched back to debian/sid now i get an gpg-error on apt-get update ... anyone knows how to get rid of this message ... ? |
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| 11:00.30 | dondelelcaro | xirtam: fix debsigs |
| 11:00.31 | zulkifar | lauraw: thanks :) Actually I don't care what to use - oggs or mp3s. Since I moved my collection to FLAC I relax :) |
| 11:00.33 | xirtam | W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 11:00.34 | djtansey | dondelelcaro: just wanting to confirm that that works. rsync -a will work, yes? |
| 11:00.38 | [bugi] | Hello, can i have applet which will infom me about updates in Debian? Something like in SuSE or Fedora or Ubuntu? |
| 11:00.39 | xirtam | dondelelcaro: how? |
| 11:00.48 | raf256 | TBBle: so 2.6.8 should be more secure now? ok I will stick to it then |
| 11:00.58 | alfatau | hi, i installed a fresh sarge. i'm not able to get sound card working. can you help me? i installed the latest 2.6.12 kernel because of the acpi support, but it didn't work before installing new kernel too. Sound card beeps on startup and kernel gives some "semaphore" messages during boot. Before installing a fresh sarge, i had a sarge/testing installed and sound card worked with both default debian kernel and 2.6.11 (+ acpi patches) one. any |
| 11:00.58 | alfatau | idea?? mine is an ASUSM6822NEBP laptop. thanks a lot for help |
| 11:01.02 | dondelelcaro | djtansey: I'd suggest rsync -avzu, typically. |
| 11:01.09 | djtansey | don: thanks. |
| 11:01.10 | TBBle | raf256: More secure than what? |
| 11:01.12 | lauraw | zulkifar: yes, having all music in flac is nice |
| 11:01.35 | dondelelcaro | xirtam: add 8c4f368d5d to your keyring. |
| 11:01.42 | dondelelcaro | s/8c// |
| 11:01.45 | veleno | i installed libapache-mod-php4 for apache/1.3, but when i go to a local php files, i got a pop up asking me where to download the phtml file. what is the problem ? |
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| 11:02.20 | dondelelcaro | veleno: you're missing the appropriate AddType line for php. |
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| 11:02.55 | raf256 | TBBle: is the 2.6.8 kernel the most secure now (or the most secure in 2.6.x)? |
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| 11:03.17 | TBBle | raf256: I reckon they're (right now) all about as secure as we can make then. |
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| 11:04.02 | raf256 | and is there easy way to install grsecurity in my 2.6.8 debian testing? |
| 11:04.08 | raf256 | !security |
| 11:04.08 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 11:04.39 | raf256 | is there some manual for making debian more secure in general? assuming a desktop+server not just server box |
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| 11:04.51 | TBBle | raf256: Look around for hardened Debian. |
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| 11:05.17 | xirtam | dondelelcaro: how to import this key? |
| 11:05.24 | raf256 | harden debian is as functional as regular debian, have same apps etc? can I upgrade without reinstalation? |
| 11:05.39 | TBBle | raf256: grsecurity? I thought there was a proposed package for that floating around. Otherwise, use kernel-package to build your own kernel with the extra patches. |
| 11:06.03 | simonrvn | there is, a kernel-patch package |
| 11:06.06 | raf256 | sounds not so easy to do |
| 11:06.07 | TBBle | raf256: It's (as I recall) a Securing Debian HOWTO plus a couple of packages with tighter security roles. |
| 11:06.12 | TBBle | Ah, good. |
| 11:06.12 | raf256 | hmm |
| 11:06.24 | raf256 | simonrvn: where? |
| 11:06.32 | TBBle | raf256: Nah, it's easy. install kernel-package and kernel-patch-grsecurity, and read the instructions in kernel-package. ^_^ |
| 11:07.10 | raf256 | TBBle: is it safe to use, all my apps will work as before? including openGL/video using ones and so on |
| 11:07.28 | veleno | dondelelcaro: the relavant part of my httpd.conf is there: http://veleno.pastebin.com/301340 i uncommented php lines, stop/start or restart apache. still the same message |
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| 11:08.01 | initech | raf256: perhaps not. grsecurity is a rather complicated bit of software |
| 11:08.20 | TBBle | raf256: I have no idea. I've not used it. I secure my servers by removing unneeded daemons, and don't muck about with things like that until they appear in mainstream Debian. ^_^ |
| 11:08.42 | TBBle | raf256: I'm sure if there's any problems, they'll be mentioned in the documentation for kernel-patch-grsecurity. |
| 11:08.44 | initech | raf256: i think grsec is a bit more than you bargained for ... |
| 11:09.01 | simonrvn | you'll want grsecurity2 FYI |
| 11:09.03 | TBBle | Or you reboot back into the non-grsec kernel, and continue where you left off. ^_^ |
| 11:09.14 | raf256 | hmm |
| 11:09.18 | PolarWolf | *cough*selinux*cough* |
| 11:09.26 | raf256 | kernel-patch-grsecurity2 <-- this? is it for 2.6.8? |
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| 11:09.32 | pa | hello |
| 11:09.39 | ^Duffy^ | hi guys, I need to add two new IP's to my server. I followed the guide located at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/68, but 1) It didnt work, 2) the settings didnt survive a reboot .. any ideas? |
| 11:09.55 | pa | i have this error: |
| 11:09.56 | pa | /usr/bin/make -f debian/rules clean |
| 11:09.56 | pa | test -e debian/control.m4 |
| 11:09.56 | pa | /bin/echo: line 1: ELF: command not found |
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| 11:09.59 | raf256 | PolarWolf: can I use selinux in 2.6.8, is it also a good idea? |
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| 11:10.29 | TBBle | SELinux will take a lot more mucking about to get working in stock Debian, and more reading to get right. |
| 11:11.45 | TBBle | Frankly, I wouldn't bother. The only time I've ever had a server broken in to was because somehow NoRoot had been disabled in sshd, and someone brute forced the password. >_< |
| 11:11.50 | PolarWolf | "free" security is a myth. There's always time, effort and dedication involved. |
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| 11:12.38 | lauraw | ^Duffy^: I'm not sure about the rest, but to make sure settings survive a reboot, I'm pretty sure you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:12.45 | TBBle | Oh, there was the time someone broke into a server of mine because a user had picked their username as their password. Luckily, the hacker then tried to run an i386 binary to explot the ptrace exploit, on my PPC machine. |
| 11:12.56 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 11:13.22 | simonrvn | that's why i like having ppc boxen facing the 'net ;) |
| 11:13.26 | ^Duffy^ | lauraw: I did .. still didnt survive a reboot |
| 11:13.28 | TBBle | Yeah. |
| 11:14.00 | simonrvn | every little layer helps ;) |
| 11:14.19 | TBBle | Both times, I logged into the server during the hack, and noticed the extra user in 'w'. |
| 11:14.24 | lauraw | ^Duffy^: and you added "auto foo" lines for the interfaces you added? |
| 11:14.29 | initech | ^Duffy^: are they set "auto" ? like auto eth0:0 ? |
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| 11:14.33 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 11:14.40 | TBBle | Hmm. Would running a little-endian sh3 server be security through hardware obscurity? |
| 11:14.53 | PolarWolf | TBBle: Yes |
| 11:15.00 | simonrvn | different arch |
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| 11:15.13 | PolarWolf | TBBle: It'll scare off the casual script kiddie for sure |
| 11:15.14 | ^Duffy^ | lauraw, initech: yes .. auto auto venet0:1 && auto venet0:2 |
| 11:15.35 | ^Duffy^ | - one auto ;P |
| 11:15.43 | initech | ^Duffy^: what's "venet" ? |
| 11:16.10 | shingouz | ^Duffy^: inet would sound more kosher |
| 11:16.14 | veleno | dondelelcaro: maybe theproblem is somewhere else. in the error.log i can read: "Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.22 OpenSSL/0.9.7d mod_perl/1.29 configured" but no php is mentioned... |
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| 11:16.33 | ^Duffy^ | initech , shingouz: It's a VPS .. |
| 11:16.49 | ^Duffy^ | venet: is default |
| 11:17.02 | dondelelcaro | veleno: then you either haven't installed the libapache-mod-php4; or you haven't loaded it in apache.conf (or modules.conf) |
| 11:17.10 | alfatau | hi, i installed a fresh sarge. i'm not able to get sound card working. can you help me? i installed the latest 2.6.12 kernel because of the acpi support, but it didn't work before installing new kernel too. Sound card beeps on startup and kernel gives some "semaphore" messages during boot. Before installing a fresh sarge, i had a sarge/testing installed and sound card worked with both default debian kernel and 2.6.11 (+ acpi patches) one. any |
| 11:17.10 | alfatau | idea?? mine is an ASUSM6822NEBP laptop. thanks a lot for help |
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| 11:17.59 | tarheelcoxn | is there a way to set it so that instead of dragging the whole window around, I'm dragging a wire frame? (I'm using gnome 2.10.1 with metacity & clearlooks) |
| 11:17.59 | tarheelcoxn | I'm not happy with the slow skippity-ness of moving windows |
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| 11:18.12 | TBBle | alfatau: Turned the volume up in the mixer? |
| 11:18.46 | bob2 | tarheelcoxn: try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 11:18.53 | Shay | guys, is there a tool to clean init.d scripts of services that no longer exist/were removed? |
| 11:19.01 | raf256 | after installing debain's kernel-patch-atopcnt I have to recompile the kernel? How to do it (to have exacly same configuration as now, only with that atop patch)? |
| 11:19.01 | alfatau | TBBle: :) cool.... of course :) system doesn't find sound card... it's not a volume issue.... |
| 11:19.08 | dondelelcaro | Shay: use --purge. |
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| 11:19.28 | dondelelcaro | alfatau: most likely you haven't 1) built in the proper module for sound 2) added yourself to the audio group. |
| 11:19.46 | TBBle | You've got the appropriate alsa modules installed? |
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| 11:20.05 | Shay | dondelelcaro, yeah, I always use --purge, but there are some services that were automatically removed or, removed because they were substitued with other (and the apt didn't used --purge), and I want to get rid of'em... |
| 11:20.23 | TBBle | raf256: Get kernel-patch, and read the instructions there. kernel-patch-atopcnt prolly also includes instructions. |
| 11:20.36 | dondelelcaro | Shay: any config file that belongs to a package will go away when you purge the package that it belonged to... |
| 11:20.49 | dondelelcaro | Shay: dpkg -l |grep ^rc; to get an idea of what these packages are. |
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| 11:21.04 | Shay | dondelelcaro, let me check that, thanks |
| 11:21.19 | ^Duffy^ | so, anyone got any ideas? |
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| 11:21.59 | shingouz | ^Duffy^: could you paste the interfaces into #flood or the paster? might be able to point out the error |
| 11:22.01 | alexei | oh yeah my friend runs a good game forum and its located at www.gameforum.co.nr please go there and register if you can. just to support this guy! thanks alot |
| 11:22.11 | alexei | #flood |
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| 11:22.34 | ^Duffy^ | shingouz: two seconds |
| 11:22.46 | raf256 | TBBle: hmm where are thoes instructions actually..? |
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| 11:22.54 | Shay | dondelelcaro, okay, dpkg --purge will do the job to the "rc" packages :-) |
| 11:23.17 | TBBle | raf256: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ I should think. |
| 11:23.34 | aliumalik | I have g++, gcc, autoconf and make installed but when ever I try to ./configure on mozilla-mplayer plugin it gives me this error http://rafb.net/paste/results/Hosjpm17.html what am I doing wrong? |
| 11:23.39 | mediafly | Is there any way to scan for all available IPs within an 192.168.x.x network? |
| 11:23.54 | initech | mediafly: scan for? |
| 11:24.12 | paster | "^Duffy^" at 80.202.73.27 pasted "/etc/network/interfaces" (28 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/232 |
| 11:24.18 | ^Duffy^ | ;) |
| 11:24.28 | mediafly | all hosts which can be pinged |
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| 11:25.33 | shingouz | ^Duffy^: at what point do those venet-thingies get autoconfigured? |
| 11:25.37 | dondelelcaro | mediafly: ping the brodcast address. |
| 11:25.41 | initech | mediafly: sure, nmap can do that, and plain ping as well if you write a script ... like for i in `seq 1 256`; do ping 192.168.1.$i ; done |
| 11:25.43 | TBBle | mediafly: nmap? pinging the broadcast addresses might work too. |
| 11:25.47 | dondelelcaro | s/o/oa/; |
| 11:25.56 | ^Duffy^ | shingouz: Probably at installation time .. |
| 11:26.00 | alfatau | dondelelcaro: i added myself to audio group, and i didn't choose a module for sound card, but i built in the support into the kernel. I also tried getting the older working kernel deb package (i did when compiled kernel in the debian way), but sound card doesn't work too. could it be a configuration problem in the newest alsa software? |
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| 11:26.29 | initech | mediafly: hopefully broadcast pings will not work :) |
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| 11:26.50 | clincks | Hi |
| 11:26.56 | dondelelcaro | alfatau: the alsa software won't really affect it. First things first, you have to have the kernel seeing the hardware, and you'll know that by looking at dmesg. |
| 11:27.01 | linuxfreck | initech: ip adresses start with 0 and end at 255, plus ping doesn't terminate by default |
| 11:27.13 | ram123 | ls |
| 11:27.13 | groton | hello all. what do i need to set to use gcc3.4.x in Sarge? i see that the default compiler is gcc3.3.x. |
| 11:27.19 | shingouz | ^Duffy^: dammit, that caret is a pain in the ass to tabcomplete... i would replace them with ethX and see what happens unless they are some real Gucci device you need? |
| 11:27.20 | mediafly | dondelelcaro, but what broadcast? I don't know the 192.168.x . |
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| 11:27.26 | initech | initech: start at 1 and end at 254, actually. but you get the idea |
| 11:27.33 | mediafly | TBBle, do you know the nmap command for that? |
| 11:27.38 | quitte | groton: CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 11:27.46 | mediafly | initech, thx i try the script |
| 11:27.47 | ram123 | i want to connect a linux box to the usb port and talk to it using minicom. |
| 11:27.47 | initech | host addresses that is |
| 11:27.53 | groton | quitte: that's all i need? |
| 11:27.54 | quitte | groton: or change the links if you really want to change your default compiler |
| 11:27.55 | ram123 | minicom says no such device |
| 11:28.00 | dondelelcaro | mediafly: if it's a single subnet, ping 192.168.255.255; if it's a bunch of /24s separated by real gateways, pinging the individual brodcasts shouldn't work. |
| 11:28.02 | groton | quitte: ok, thx a lot |
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| 11:28.08 | ram123 | do u have any ideas where the problem is |
| 11:28.15 | TBBle | mediafly: Not off hand, but man nmap should work. You just want to do a pingscan, I think.... the syntax is something like 192.168.0-255.0-255 |
| 11:28.28 | ^Duffy^ | shingouz: I'm taking the easy way out ... mailing my provider ;) |
| 11:28.31 | ^Duffy^ | thanks anyways :) |
| 11:28.39 | shingouz | np |
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| 11:28.53 | TBBle | mediafly: Don't do 'nmap 192.168.0-255.0-255' because that'll do a complete scan, not a pingscan. Check the manpage. |
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| 11:29.21 | alfatau | dondelelcaro: ok i need to reboot... before i did dmesg -c. |
| 11:29.43 | shingouz | mediafly: -sP |
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| 11:30.32 | mediafly | shingouz, works |
| 11:30.42 | shingouz | mediafly: it should :) |
| 11:30.57 | mediafly | shingouz, yep, it does ;) |
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| 11:31.36 | veleno | i get this now: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-15 mod_ssl/2.8.22 OpenSSL/0.9.7d mod_perl/1.29 configured - but still, it can't recognize php files. what is missing? |
| 11:31.58 | shingouz | ah... of to do a dpkg --purge rust on my car :p |
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| 11:32.56 | [bugi] | Can i have an applet which will infom me about updates in Debian Sarge? Something like in SuSE or Fedora or Ubuntu? |
| 11:33.12 | dondelelcaro | [bugi]: cron-apt |
| 11:33.18 | dondelelcaro | vincent_: ok, now make sure you've got an appropriate AddType line |
| 11:33.19 | TBBle | Sude, Fedora and Ubuntu have an applet which informs you of updates in Sarge? ^_^ |
| 11:33.26 | valdyn | [bugi]: apt-cache search apt applet |
| 11:33.35 | aliumalik | where can I find libgthread? doesn't seem to be in the reps |
| 11:33.51 | [bugi] | I need just tiny icon in taskbar :-) |
| 11:33.55 | valdyn | !tell aliumalik about search |
| 11:34.07 | valdyn | aliumalik: probably because its part of glib |
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| 11:34.56 | alfatau | dondelcaro: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc2 (Thu Mar 24 10:33:39 2005 UTC). |
| 11:34.56 | alfatau | no UART detected at 0x1 |
| 11:35.46 | alfatau | dondelcaro: i don't know anything about UART, but sound card seems to have be seen... or not? |
| 11:35.56 | Joost | hey, i installed just linux (debian sarg), and now if he start up, he start up in a shell-thing, can he start up in grafisch modus to ? i'm kinda noob |
| 11:36.13 | alfatau | dondelcaro:ALSA device list: |
| 11:36.14 | alfatau | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.14 | alfatau | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.15 | aliumalik | valdyn: thanks a lot! |
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| 11:36.34 | TBBle | alfatau: Ah... Make /etc/asound.conf look like this: |
| 11:36.49 | TBBle | http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 11:37.04 | TBBle | But make 'card 0' say 'card 1' in the three occurances. |
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| 11:37.26 | inva|id | how to flush my dns cache? |
| 11:37.26 | asg | veleno: clear your browser cache |
| 11:38.22 | alfatau | TBBle: only copy&paste and change card0 to card1 ?? |
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| 11:38.29 | wols_ | Joost: apt-get install a displaymanager. are you using kde or gnome? |
| 11:38.54 | veleno | asg: ...you did it! the easiest thing..never pop in my mind :( |
| 11:39.07 | Joost | i dunno :/ But there is a display manager, some thing as a safemode, or the normal mode, but its just all the same |
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| 11:39.32 | TBBle | alfatau: Yeah. I did that this morning. Gives you alsa-based mixing as a bonus, and you're ready for alsa-oss. |
| 11:39.36 | wols_ | what does this "mode" say? |
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| 11:39.51 | TBBle | alfatau: In my case, the bttv card's audio was picked up as #0 |
| 11:39.55 | MrPoopyPants | does deb 3.1 come with gnome 2.10? |
| 11:40.09 | Joost | wols_: isn't there a command just to get in grafic ? |
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| 11:40.50 | asg | MrPoopyPants: no |
| 11:40.51 | TBBle | Joost: Several. Which one do you want? |
| 11:41.02 | wols_ | Joost: startx as usual. but if you have a displaymanager installed it should get to a graphical loginprompt by default |
| 11:41.06 | MrPoopyPants | asg what version of gnome gets installed if I apt-get install gnome? |
| 11:41.06 | alfatau | TBBle: ok, and: look at this kernel message: input: PC Speaker |
| 11:41.06 | alfatau | codec_semaphore: semaphore is not ready [0x1][0x700300] |
| 11:41.12 | asg | MrPoopyPants: 2.8 |
| 11:41.16 | alfatau | TBBle: and then i get an alsa error |
| 11:41.16 | Joost | startx don't work at mine |
| 11:41.18 | MrPoopyPants | thanks |
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| 11:41.22 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 11:41.32 | wols_ | Joost: which is why I wanted to know your error message(s) |
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| 11:42.09 | wols_ | Joost: with startx you get lots of lines of text and then it drops you at the prompt again? |
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| 11:42.23 | Joost | no i just get a error that it isn't a command |
| 11:42.24 | TBBle | alfatau: What alsa error? |
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| 11:42.49 | Thanatermesis | apt-get install doodle (SID) causes my dpkg system broken ! :S |
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| 11:42.55 | asg | Joost: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 11:43.01 | Joost | -bash: command not found |
| 11:43.01 | alfatau | TBBle: also i get a speaker beep when dmesg prints: Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found. |
| 11:43.02 | alfatau | Device 'i82365.0' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed. |
| 11:43.03 | Joost | something like that |
| 11:43.04 | asg | Thanatermesis: check the bts |
| 11:43.16 | Thanatermesis | bts ¿? |
| 11:43.21 | asg | !sid faq |
| 11:43.21 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 11:43.30 | TBBle | alfatau: Wow. If you're getting kernel errors, I'm gonna bow out. The stuff I gave you is all userspace. |
| 11:43.31 | asg | !tell Thanatermesis about bts |
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| 11:43.44 | honschu | Hi, my sda1, a "ntfs" usbharddrive is mounted as "drwx------" root. Is this due to ntfs rights? fstab looks this way: /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbplatte auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 11:43.45 | TBBle | Try though: alsamixer -c 0 and alsamixer -c 1 |
| 11:43.50 | alfatau | TBBle: ehm... i will reboot... dmsg doesn't show error... /etc/init.d/alsa... something error |
| 11:43.57 | okok | Aint it possibel to give the password on a su? i mean so the su could be done in one line: su USER PASS ? |
| 11:44.14 | dondelelcaro | okok: no. In fact, HELL NO. |
| 11:44.15 | asg | okok: that is terrible security wise |
| 11:44.19 | alfatau | TBBle: i though those errors were linked to sound card malfunctioning... |
| 11:44.20 | asg | okok: use sudo |
| 11:44.32 | TBBle | honschu: Yes, that's NTFS, although I presume you can override it. |
| 11:44.49 | BK | I want to "rm" all files in a dir but one (an avi type). can i somehow invert the rm ? |
| 11:44.53 | TBBle | alfatau: PCIC probe sounds like kernel to me. Just kernel stuff being triggered during alsa init. |
| 11:45.00 | honschu | TBBle: How to override? Just with chmod and chown? |
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| 11:45.18 | TBBle | honschu: in fstab, see man 5 fstab and man mount for details. |
| 11:45.19 | asg | BK: info find |
| 11:45.20 | liable | honschu: option umask=022 |
| 11:45.23 | asg | BK: man xargs |
| 11:45.25 | wols_ | Joost: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 11:45.30 | initech | BK: hmm, rm -f `ls . | grep -v blah.avi` |
| 11:45.34 | honschu | TBBle and liable: thx! |
| 11:46.05 | aliumalik | ok now I am getting this while compiling "`printf' cannot be used as a function" |
| 11:46.15 | TBBle | alfatau: I have no idea if those errors are related to sound malfunctioning, but I presume they are because they happened when you restartd alsa. |
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| 11:48.13 | Thanatermesis | asg, This bug Im not looked in bts: |
| 11:48.16 | Thanatermesis | Setting up doodle (0.6.2-3) ... |
| 11:48.16 | Thanatermesis | chmod: cannot access `/var/lib/doodle/doodle.db': No such file or directory |
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| 11:48.20 | Thanatermesis | broken the dpkg system |
| 11:49.02 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 309120 |
| 11:49.31 | dpkg | #309120:I[doodle] doodle postinst fails at chown of non-existant db file Sat, 14 May 2005 19:03:16 UTC |
| 11:49.35 | alfatau | TBBle: ok, thanks instead... i will try to understand to what errors are due. but, can't i install an older version of alsa software? the same i used on the old sarge installation? i saved it. |
| 11:49.50 | Thanatermesis | hummm.. |
| 11:49.53 | Thanatermesis | 14 May |
| 11:49.55 | Thanatermesis | wow ! |
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| 11:50.05 | Thanatermesis | not repaired? is very crazy... |
| 11:50.20 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: it's some piddly package. There's a patch. It's not like it's a big dela. |
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| 11:50.34 | TBBle | alfatau: You shouldn't need to... Unless there turns out to be a bug in alsa??? I'm on an aureal board here, so I can't confirm, but I've been tracking sid on my laptop with is an ICH-2 or something simiar without hprboem.s |
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| 11:51.25 | Oryn | does anyone know of any software that would let my run my own ddns service capable of accepting requests from the ddclient program? All the howto's I've seen involve using keys. Thats totaly no good to me because the client I have in mind is a router which has something like the ddclient program hard coded |
| 11:51.28 | alfatau | TBBle: ah, i got the alsa error! Setting up ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'No state is present for card Modem'. done. |
| 11:51.33 | TBBle | All packages are equal in the eyes of the apt repository. Some are just more equal than others. |
| 11:51.49 | alfatau | TBBle: ok |
| 11:51.52 | TBBle | alfatau: Ignore that for the moment. Your software modem doesn't really need mixer settings saved |
| 11:52.08 | TBBle | If that's the only error, you should be working. |
| 11:52.16 | Chris- | Just Wondering: Does Sarge contain a graphical install? This is my first time installing linux and every distro I've been to keeps sending me to another distro... gentoo -> arch -> ubuntu -> fedora core -> debian |
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| 11:52.29 | valdyn | alfatau: its not an error, its a warning |
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| 11:52.38 | Chris- | Installing debian linux* |
| 11:52.45 | TBBle | Chris-: Don't worry, we won't turn you away. Once you're Debian, you stay Debian. |
| 11:53.04 | Chris- | :-D thanks, sorry I'm a complete linux newbie, but I'm trying to get started |
| 11:53.20 | RichiH | Chris-: there is no graphical installer, but the ncurses based one debian has is all you should need |
| 11:53.23 | alfatau | TBBle: ok, i'm trying another reboot after editing /etc/asound.conf as u told me. |
| 11:53.28 | TBBle | Debian's installer is console, but menus rather than commands. And it'll install a graphical environemtn for you. |
| 11:53.31 | RichiH | Chris-: no point and click, but it's good and easy to use |
| 11:53.32 | TBBle | alfatau: You don't need to reboot. |
| 11:53.38 | BK | Chris- i tryed gentoo and slack. debian is the way to go (for a newb indeed) :) |
| 11:53.44 | TBBle | alfatau: Those changes should take shape immediately. You don't even need to restart alsa. |
| 11:54.12 | Chris- | BK: Thanks :) Everyone: thanks for the support and quick responces |
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| 11:54.41 | alfatau | TBBle: ok, so trying playing an audio file.... |
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| 11:55.13 | Chris- | Does it have a GUI on first boot? (KDE or Gnome?) |
| 11:55.28 | honschu | How to set the uid=<current user> in /etc/fstab? |
| 11:55.30 | liable | Chris-: yes if you install a desktop |
| 11:55.31 | wintix | Chris-: there is a menu-based text install |
| 11:55.45 | initech | Chris-: no, first boot goes straight into base config, from there you can install the desktop system though |
| 11:55.52 | streuner | honschu: vfat? |
| 11:55.58 | streuner | honschu: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 11:55.58 | honschu | streuner: ntfs |
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| 11:56.15 | Chris- | X_X expect for me to be in here on my other computer throughout the process once I get these 2 dvds downloaded |
| 11:56.16 | valdyn | !tell Chris- about sarge |
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| 11:56.40 | streuner | !listkeys nfts |
| 11:56.42 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nfts' by key returned no results. |
| 11:56.45 | liable | Chris-: you have cable connection? |
| 11:56.49 | streuner | !listkeys ntfs |
| 11:56.50 | BK | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (12): ntfsrw ;; ntfs rw ;; read-ntfs ;; ntfs #DEL# ;; ro-ntfs ;; ntfs resizing ;; captiventfs ;; user accessible ntfs ;; mount ntfs ;; ntfs ;; ntfs resize ;; ntfs-faq. |
| 11:56.51 | honschu | streuner: apt-cache search vfatrw -> no info! |
| 11:57.03 | Ekushey | debian comes with how many CDs? |
| 11:57.04 | wintix | Chris-: u could download a netinstall-cd, too. |
| 11:57.15 | TBBle | honschu: Use the 'user' option in the mount options, and mount it as that user, and it'll be mnounted owned bythat user. |
| 11:57.17 | streuner | honschu: read what dpkg told you |
| 11:57.19 | Chris- | I have a 10MBps cable line |
| 11:57.19 | RichiH | !tell Chris- about install |
| 11:57.22 | RichiH | !tell Chris- about netinstall |
| 11:57.28 | BK | Ekushey a one 150 +- mb disk if you use netinstall |
| 11:57.33 | liable | Chris-: get the net install cd then |
| 11:57.38 | RichiH | !tell Chris- about set up x |
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| 11:57.47 | RichiH | Chris-: dpkg should be sending you stuff |
| 11:57.53 | Chris- | Yeah |
| 11:57.55 | honschu | TBBle: So now I have: rw,user,noauto,uid=user,umask=022 |
| 11:58.01 | RichiH | Chris-: it's our info bot |
| 11:58.02 | Chris- | ;-P trying to keep up with everything its saying |
| 11:58.06 | RichiH | !tell Chris- about msg |
| 11:58.07 | TBBle | honschu: Not user=uid, just user |
| 11:58.12 | RichiH | Chris-: hehe |
| 11:58.13 | Ekushey | BK: and what about full install disks? |
| 11:58.16 | TBBle | honschu: Not uid=user, just user |
| 11:58.18 | TBBle | Sorry. |
| 11:58.43 | TBBle | Ah, you've got 'user'. Just get rid of the uid=user. |
| 11:58.58 | BK | Ekushey not sure. didn't use them |
| 11:59.05 | RichiH | Chris-: just poke through that stuff a bit. it boils down to a) you want the netinstall iso b) after the setup is complete, you have to set up x and then either install gnome or kde (or whatever else you would like to use) |
| 11:59.13 | Ekushey | BK: by any chance, 14 disks? --> http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:59.25 | honschu | TBBle: That doesn't matter, when I mount it as honschu (with user), "usbplatte" will belong to "root" |
| 11:59.39 | halux | someone knows when there will be an update to fix the spamassassin security leak ? |
| 11:59.50 | Chris- | :-S I'll be on my second PC asking for help once it's done, that I can guarantee |
| 11:59.55 | honschu | TBBle: in "man mount": The default for ntfs is that it will be mounted as root |
| 12:00.05 | alfatau | TBBle: please pardon me for the insistence... you're my only hope :) after playing (out of currently running x server) an audio file, i got: can't find a suitable libao driver. so /etc/asound.conf modify hadn't effect. :( |
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| 12:00.42 | liable | honschu: just set umask=022, you will be able to read it. |
| 12:00.53 | Chris- | so network install is the way to go? |
| 12:00.56 | TBBle | honschu: Ohh, hmm. If you're not sharing the sytem, use a umask of 000 and everyone can read-write the contents. |
| 12:00.59 | dondelelcaro | halux: which one? CAN-2005-1266? |
| 12:00.59 | RichiH | Chris-: that's what we are here for |
| 12:01.05 | honschu | streuner: dpkg said "user accessible ntfs" - how to get more info about that? |
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| 12:01.08 | Chris- | probably best since my dvd burner likes to act up....thanks :) |
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| 12:01.19 | RichiH | Chris-: yes. it's a minimal boot cd. most of the stuff to be installed is grabbed from the net while you install |
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| 12:01.22 | TBBle | alfatau: Use alsaplayer-text to test with, for a start. |
| 12:01.44 | honschu | TBBle: I do not want to set umask to 000 due to security. |
| 12:01.49 | halux | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 12:01.52 | Chris- | brb, this irc client is currupt, locks up every 10 seconds or so |
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| 12:02.03 | RichiH | Chris-: it comes in a ~30 and a ~120 mb version - i would suggest the 120 mb one as that would be faster in case you need to reinstall |
| 12:02.05 | TBBle | honschu: Beats me then... pmount maybe? I've not used it though. |
| 12:02.20 | halux | dondelelcaro: are there more ? |
| 12:02.22 | shingouz | honschu, TBBle: NTFS? ntfs is not writeable unless you have some real odd drivers for it. do not make it writeable |
| 12:02.25 | VoIP_ | If i setup a VoIP server at my server, can I call landlines from my server ? |
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| 12:02.43 | TBBle | NTFS's still not writeable? >_< |
| 12:02.46 | ledet | VoIP_: depends |
| 12:02.50 | shingouz | TBBle: not tha ti know |
| 12:03.03 | honschu | shingouz: I have the latest kernel release, does that matter? |
| 12:03.04 | VoIP_ | ledet: ermmm...how? |
| 12:03.05 | valdyn | VoIP_: if you dont know the answer you likely cant. |
| 12:03.06 | ledet | VoIP_: will your server have a land line? or some connection to a land line provider? |
| 12:03.10 | TBBle | I hadn't tried it, I only mounted my NTFS drive this afternoon. |
| 12:03.13 | ethics | not safely |
| 12:03.23 | shingouz | honschu: writeable ntfs is corrupt data. do not write on it |
| 12:03.24 | VoIP_ | ledet: I dont think so. Its a remote server. |
| 12:03.41 | TBBle | VoIP_: I believe FreeWorldDialup would let you do so. |
| 12:04.00 | VoIP_ | TBBle: Let me have a look |
| 12:04.04 | dondelelcaro | halux: that's only a DoS... but supposedly the fix is just waiting to be uploeaded to the appropriate location |
| 12:04.09 | alfatau | TBBle: ok (i used mpg123...) but... error opening /dev/dsp... segmentation fault. :( |
| 12:04.23 | ledet | VoIP_: then youll need access to a provider |
| 12:04.32 | VoIP_ | ledet: What provider ? |
| 12:04.45 | ledet | VoIP_: any |
| 12:04.48 | valdyn | alfatau: mpg123 uses libao, read the manpage ( man libao.conf ) |
| 12:04.56 | shingouz | VoIP_: someone who connects the tcp/ip to a phoneline |
| 12:04.56 | VoIP_ | ledet: I mean, what provider? Internet ? |
| 12:05.00 | TBBle | alfatau: Use alsaplayer-text. |
| 12:05.01 | ledet | VoIP_: one that provides you with concrete |
| 12:05.10 | wintix | VoIP_: a voip-provider |
| 12:05.10 | valdyn | alfatau: to try out alsa you might first want to use something like 'aplay some.wav' |
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| 12:05.25 | halux | dondelelcaro: yes, but the main mailserver of my company uses spamassassin |
| 12:05.25 | VoIP_ | ledet: errr |
| 12:05.29 | Chris- | There we go, reinstalled mirc/acidmax |
| 12:05.36 | ledet | VoIP_: you wont magically get a land line connection by just installing some software |
| 12:05.36 | tchino | i have update my debian testing, now my newtork doesn't works, it doesn't find /etc/network/run/ifstate, what is wrong |
| 12:05.38 | VoIP_ | wintix: FreeWorldDialup, i suppose? |
| 12:05.42 | ledet | VoIP_: dont think that |
| 12:05.54 | ledet | VoIP_: yes, FreeWorldDialup is probably one |
| 12:05.58 | ledet | VoIP_: i wouldnt know |
| 12:05.59 | valdyn | !tell tchino about vagueness |
| 12:05.59 | honschu | shingouz: Okay, thx. |
| 12:06.10 | alfatau | TBBle: i used alsaplayer-text: error opening /dev/dsp... segmentation fault. :( |
| 12:06.10 | ram123 | anyone using usb serial |
| 12:06.16 | wintix | VoIP_: maybe just google a bit. |
| 12:06.18 | ledet | VoIP_: you probably have such a provider in your region |
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| 12:06.31 | valdyn | !find etc/network/run/ifstate sarge |
| 12:06.40 | VoIP_ | Ill just have to try |
| 12:06.50 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/network/run/ifstate' returned no results. |
| 12:06.54 | dondelelcaro | halux: well, you can ask Duncan Findlay for the fixed package and install it. |
| 12:06.56 | Chris- | Worst comes to worst could someone walk me step through step of setting up grub? |
| 12:07.16 | VoIP_ | k |
| 12:07.21 | RichiH | Chris-: netinst comes in a ~30 and a ~120 mb version - i would suggest the 120 mb one as that would be faster in case you need to reinstall |
| 12:07.40 | RichiH | Chris-: debian sets up grub for you |
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| 12:07.52 | valdyn | alfatau: alsaplayer uses *despite* its name not alsa by default, install.. |
| 12:07.53 | TBBle | alfatau: >_< alsaplayer-text -o alsa |
| 12:07.56 | Chris- | awesome, yeah I am downloading the 110 mb version right now |
| 12:08.02 | wintix | Chris-: do u have other operating systems on the computer where u install debian? |
| 12:08.16 | valdyn | alfatau: alsaplayer-alsa |
| 12:08.17 | Chris- | WinXP |
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| 12:08.31 | Belboz | Hey all |
| 12:08.34 | liable | Chris-: spare room on it? |
| 12:08.35 | TBBle | alsaplayer defaulted to alsa here for me, but I don't have the OSS-compat modules loaded. |
| 12:08.46 | Chris- | room isn't a problem, 400 gigs |
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| 12:08.56 | tchino | valdyn: can you look in your system, if y<ou have the path to /etc/network/ifstate |
| 12:08.58 | wintix | Chris-: u need some unpartitioned space for debian |
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| 12:09.08 | valdyn | TBBle: it doesnt depends on alsaplayer-alsa, but needs it to output to alsa. |
| 12:09.14 | Belboz | anyone know why SuberKaramba is saying that it can't find libXext when configuring? |
| 12:09.14 | liable | Chris-: yes, but spare room, ie not partitioned? |
| 12:09.14 | wintix | Chris-: or jsust a partition u could erase |
| 12:09.42 | Chris- | Yes, I have a set of partitions I could erase (SuSE Linux) |
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| 12:09.47 | Belboz | and, what is a dummy file? |
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| 12:10.00 | TBBle | Ewwww. My bad then. |
| 12:10.06 | wintix | Chris-: nice idea ;) |
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| 12:10.16 | Chris- | ;-D |
| 12:10.18 | TBBle | Oh yeah, I remember installing alsaplayer-alsa now. Sorry. ^_^ |
| 12:10.22 | valdyn | tchino: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36 2005-06-18 15:22 ifstate |
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| 12:10.44 | valdyn | tchino: its a created on runtime file so /etc/init.d/networking restart might create it |
| 12:10.53 | ram123 | i am facing running minicom on usb serial please help |
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| 12:11.11 | alfatau | valdyn or TBBle: i installed package alsaplayer-text. i have not installed "alsaplayer" package, so i think i'm using alsaplayer-text. alsaplayer-text -o alsa not exists as command: i tried alsaplayer -o alsa but the error is the same. i'm sorry but i'm not a genius about drivers & co... i'm only a little web developer... |
| 12:11.14 | liable | ram123: why minicom anyway? |
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| 12:11.23 | liable | ram123: tried wvdial? |
| 12:11.46 | valdyn | alfatau: already told you 'apt-get install alsaplayer-alsa' |
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| 12:12.00 | halux | dondelelcaro: thanks ! I can wait one or two days, only wanted to note that the bug is not unimportant ;) |
| 12:12.03 | ColonelKernel | what do I need to apt-get install to get a minimal working gnome installation - similar to gnome-light (for any gentoo users) |
| 12:12.20 | liable | gnome-core? |
| 12:12.20 | tchino | valdyn: then it comes the same error, /tc/network/run/ifstate: No such file or directory |
| 12:12.31 | ColonelKernel | Im in text mode right now so googling and the such is a bit difficult |
| 12:12.32 | dondelelcaro | halux: yes... well, the bug is already filed, and people are aware of it (#314447) |
| 12:12.35 | TBBle | alfatau: You didn't actually say what the error _was_, just that it was the same. |
| 12:12.38 | alfatau | valdyn: ok, i didn't see that post... |
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| 12:12.47 | valdyn | alfatau: no problem. |
| 12:13.00 | alfatau | TBBle: error opening /dev/dsp... segmentation fault. :( |
| 12:13.04 | tchino | valdyn: on my server, i find the file /etc/network/ifstate |
| 12:13.07 | squall | hi all, i search an WIFI PCMCI Card compatible Linux - Do u have eperiance please |
| 12:13.07 | dondelelcaro | ColonelKernel: just install whatever parts of gnome you actually want, and everything else will follow. |
| 12:13.20 | SNow | hello. when installing apache with php4 i get error on libapache-mod-php4 Error: 510mod_auth_useragent.info does not have a valid LoadModule entry. What should I do?! |
| 12:13.21 | tchino | valdyn: but not on my client |
| 12:13.21 | liable | alfatau: dodgy card? |
| 12:13.35 | TBBle | alsaplayer: If someone says -o alsa, don't fall back onto other output methods, dammit! |
| 12:13.54 | valdyn | tchino: /etc/network/ifstate is supposed to be a symlink to /etc/network/run/ifstate |
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| 12:14.04 | TBBle | /dev/dsp will be trying to play out the modem. |
| 12:14.10 | ColonelKernel | dondelelcaro just looking for a bare gnome desktop right now - is gnome-core what im looking for? |
| 12:14.12 | TBBle | That's a problem for once we have sound of some kind. |
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| 12:14.29 | djtansey_ | does anyone have experience migrating squirremail installations? i'm trying to move user's folders over -- but the new squirrelmail install isn't showing them in the left pane |
| 12:14.37 | RichiH | ColonelKernel: apt-cache show gnome-core :p |
| 12:14.42 | valdyn | tchino: you can simply create that file with "eth0=eth0 \ eth1=eth1" ( for each of you interfaces. |
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| 12:14.49 | Chris- | What do you all prefer: Gnome or KDE? Which is prettier :-P? |
| 12:14.50 | liable | ColonelKernel: also x-window-system |
| 12:14.52 | valdyn | tchino: \ = newline |
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| 12:14.59 | ColonelKernel | thanks RichiH |
| 12:15.08 | liable | Chris-: get both, decide for yourself :) |
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| 12:15.15 | valdyn | tchino: no idea why you miss it, i would guess that your dist-upgrade might be incomplete |
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| 12:15.41 | hellz | hi , can i update kernel 2.4.27 using apt-get |
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| 12:15.50 | hellz | i mean using apt-get |
| 12:15.56 | valdyn | hellz: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 12:16.04 | liable | hellz: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 12:16.12 | SNow | hello. when installing apache with php4 i get error on libapache-mod-php4 Error: 510mod_auth_useragent.info does not have a valid LoadModule entry. What should I do?! |
| 12:16.12 | liable | too slow :) |
| 12:16.29 | dondelelcaro | SNow: fix 510mod_auth_useragent.info |
| 12:16.30 | RichiH | ColonelKernel: on packages.debian.org/gnome-core you can look at the dependencies |
| 12:16.39 | hellz | i got the kernel image, i have a 2.4.20 kernel (woody) but i would like install kernel 2.4.27, |
| 12:16.39 | RichiH | ColonelKernel: so you can install even less |
| 12:16.46 | SNow | dondelelcaro and how should I fix it? in what way? |
| 12:16.47 | RichiH | ColonelKernel: also, you should consider installing gdm |
| 12:16.54 | ColonelKernel | RichiH wont be doing much browsing w/o a gui and a browser |
| 12:17.06 | dondelelcaro | SNow: reinstalling apache-common; will probably fix it. |
| 12:17.14 | valdyn | tchino: and dont forget lo=lo ( see /etc/network/interfaces for your interfaces ) |
| 12:17.20 | liable | hellz: so what is the problem? You have lilo I take it? |
| 12:17.31 | RichiH | Chris-: that question does not have an answer. for ease of use and the integrated tools, i highly prefer kde. then again, others would say kde sucks and you _must_ use gnome |
| 12:17.45 | RichiH | Chris-: just install both and after some time kill what you don't like |
| 12:17.50 | dondelelcaro | and I would say: They both suck. Use neither. |
| 12:17.53 | hellz | yes, ok i have the package, is that means after installing (apt-get install), i just have to update the lilo |
| 12:18.02 | liable | and others say use a terminal :) |
| 12:18.07 | Chris- | :-P thanks RichiH |
| 12:18.08 | Belboz | hey, does anyone know what the Debian equivelant of xdevel is? |
| 12:18.09 | valdyn | Chris-: both are nice, none is better, take what you like or none of both |
| 12:18.18 | Chris- | I'm gonna give it a swing |
| 12:18.23 | asg | Belboz: xlibs-dev |
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| 12:18.26 | dondelelcaro | Belboz: if you tell me what xdevel is, I may be able to. |
| 12:18.27 | valdyn | Belboz: x-dev |
| 12:18.31 | Belboz | thanks asg |
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| 12:18.43 | RichiH | ColonelKernel: well, you can grab gnome-core - but if you really want a minimal system, you could look at the dependencies of gnome-core and only install those you think are usefull |
| 12:18.44 | sith-R2D2 | omg...i think my sarge crashed... |
| 12:18.52 | sith-R2D2 | what is the hotkey to drop to console? alt-F2? |
| 12:18.54 | sith-R2D2 | :( |
| 12:18.55 | RichiH | ColonelKernel: and there are smaller browsers than galleon :p |
| 12:19.03 | asg | sith-R2D2: CTRL+ALT+F2 |
| 12:19.06 | sith-R2D2 | ty |
| 12:19.07 | RichiH | sith-R2D2: ctrl-alt-f2 should work in any case |
| 12:19.12 | sith-R2D2 | not working |
| 12:19.12 | Belboz | man, there's just so much to install :( |
| 12:19.20 | sith-R2D2 | my screen has a weird vertical stripe pattern |
| 12:19.22 | asg | Belboz: X is a big ugly beast |
| 12:19.27 | RichiH | sith-R2D2: hit it two or three times and wait for a bit |
| 12:19.38 | Belboz | every time I go to install one thing there's 2 or 3 other things that need to be installed |
| 12:19.41 | RichiH | sith-R2D2: else, you could try to log into your box via ssh |
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| 12:19.45 | sith-R2D2 | it's not responding...why are there colored vertical thin strips on my screen? and laptop not responding |
| 12:19.48 | valdyn | Belboz: its very nicely split up in debian, but you only need to directly handle the metapackages ( like x-dev ) |
| 12:20.17 | RichiH | sith-R2D2: let us get our crystal balls.. :p |
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| 12:20.25 | tchino | valdyn: i have create /etc/network/ifstate, but it not enough, the system need /etc/network/run/ifstate, but when create alink to them, it will be complain, that a file names run exist |
| 12:20.26 | Belboz | valdyn, I already installed x-dev, but that didn't help me out |
| 12:20.30 | sith-R2D2 | RichiH - i thought debian sarge was NOT supposed to crash |
| 12:20.41 | valdyn | Belboz: so you are missing something else |
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| 12:21.01 | tchino | i can't create the directory run, because a files names run exist under /etc/network |
| 12:21.04 | Belboz | yeah, it was saying I was missing the libXext files |
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| 12:21.21 | valdyn | tchino: move that file to /etc/network/run/ , /etc/network/ifstate should only be a symlink |
| 12:21.27 | Chris- | *starts install* |
| 12:21.28 | RichiH | sith-R2D2: well, yes |
| 12:21.30 | Chris- | be back later |
| 12:21.31 | valdyn | tchino: that file has nothing lost in debian |
| 12:21.36 | sith-R2D2 | is anybody using a synaptic touchpad on debian on they laptop? i'm having issues with my speed settings |
| 12:21.39 | valdyn | tchino: how did it get there? |
| 12:21.49 | RichiH | brb |
| 12:21.54 | sith-R2D2 | either too slow or too darty...can't get middle group without the cursor vibrating when still |
| 12:21.59 | quitte | sith-R2D2: if hardware or proprietary drivers are faulty it's hard for software to compensate that |
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| 12:22.03 | Belboz | damn, i made it past that point and now it says libjpeg not found, as well as Qt :( |
| 12:22.03 | valdyn | tchino: maybe that file is the source of your problems.. what's in it? |
| 12:22.04 | SNow | i get this error in error.log when enterring gallery: Invalid command 'php_value', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration. What should I DO ? |
| 12:22.11 | alfatau | valdyn or TBBle: installed alsaplayer-alsa. runned alsaplayer -o alsa something.mp3 -> GREAT IT WORKS!! last thing: now how can i globally enable alsa for xmanager and other software needing audio? |
| 12:22.35 | alfatau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:23.04 | ColonelKernel | bah |
| 12:23.07 | ColonelKernel | screw it |
| 12:23.11 | valdyn | alfatau: i dont know xmanager, no such thing as global sound settings exist, you will need to set up each framework individially, that includes gnome,kde,libao, libal, xmms, beep-media-player, or whatever you use |
| 12:23.14 | ColonelKernel | gnome-desktop-environment it is |
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| 12:23.35 | liable | ColonelKernel: why? |
| 12:23.38 | tchino | valdyn: in run is nothing |
| 12:23.38 | ColonelKernel | I can use apt-get to remove stuff like galeon and mozilla right? |
| 12:23.50 | TBBle | alfatau: Enable alsa versions where you can. When you're forced to use OSS, either load the OSS emulation modules, but mucking about is required as /dev/dsp will be alsa card 0, which is your modem, and you really want /dev/dsp1, or use the alsa-oss wrapper script and prefix everything with aoss, which'll use the devices we set up in /etc/asound.conf |
| 12:24.07 | valdyn | tchino: remove it, create that dir, like drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 72 2005-06-18 15:21 run |
| 12:24.12 | liable | ColonelKernel: not neccessarily without it removing other stuff |
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| 12:24.19 | silenius | re |
| 12:24.21 | ColonelKernel | liable because I dont know how to set it up minimally like I want to yet, because I have the time to rtfm, so I'll just put up the gui, see whats in there, then do it again later |
| 12:24.23 | valdyn | tchino: then, try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:24.41 | Belboz | well, nthat's now 5 packages I've had to install |
| 12:24.49 | liable | ColonelKernel: you can also remove stuff with debfoster :) |
| 12:24.51 | ColonelKernel | to be honest I just want firefox as a browser and thunderbird as the email client |
| 12:24.52 | runenes | I have two boxen, box A with a modem connecion to the internet and sharing that connection using ip masq., and box B using A as the gateway. Everything works expect dns on box B, how can I check/set the dns? |
| 12:25.07 | czm | Has anyone here ever had experience in setting up a USB Speedtouch 330 modem ? |
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| 12:25.13 | valdyn | tchino: if you didn't create that file then that looks like a bug ( i dont recall if woody would have that file though, doubt it ) |
| 12:25.21 | Belboz | damn, it needs Qt 3.1 or greater, apt-cache only finds qt3, what do I do? |
| 12:25.21 | liable | runenes: /etc/resolve.conf |
| 12:25.22 | ColonelKernel | liable cant I use something like synaptic too? |
| 12:25.22 | silenius | runenes: easiest way is to simply set up a dns-cache on your router |
| 12:25.32 | liable | ColonelKernel: yes of course |
| 12:25.53 | ColonelKernel | right on |
| 12:25.58 | valdyn | !find etc/network/run woody |
| 12:26.08 | ColonelKernel | ill use synaptic until I learn the distro a little better |
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| 12:26.35 | ColonelKernel | there's gnome-light in gentoo, which is nice |
| 12:26.39 | alfatau | valdyn: ok, but why it says cannot /dev/dsp ?? once upon a time when /dev/dsp was found, all sounds worked. and now? TBBle: so i edited the /etc/asound.conf. so now system will recognize /dev/dsp as /dev/dsp1?? |
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| 12:26.47 | ethics | hehe i use apt-get cos i dont know how to use synaptic hehehe |
| 12:26.54 | tchino | valdyn: thank you, it goes right now, i have connect to my server from my client |
| 12:27.09 | tchino | valdyn: thank you very much! |
| 12:27.15 | valdyn | tchino: welcome |
| 12:27.18 | alfatau | TBBle: OSS emulation feature is already enabled into the kernel. |
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| 12:27.58 | valdyn | alfatau: alsa does not work via /dev/dsp, you should avoid using it, but if some application cannot be gotten to use alsa, modprobe snd-pcm-oss and modprobe snd-mixer-oss |
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| 12:28.15 | xoz | runenes: why do you need dns in box B? |
| 12:28.45 | runenes | liable, resolv.conf is the same on both |
| 12:28.45 | valdyn | alfatau: abovementioned modules are one possible oss->alsa emulation layer |
| 12:28.50 | ColonelKernel | ok im missing something here |
| 12:29.15 | Belboz | damn, there goes another 80MB! :( |
| 12:29.18 | ColonelKernel | apt-get installed gnome-desktop-environment , what am I missin |
| 12:29.20 | liable | runenes: can you ping each other? |
| 12:29.30 | runenes | xoz, Sorry, I didn't mean server, just a way for it to look up names |
| 12:29.37 | valdyn | ColonelKernel: how should we know? |
| 12:30.03 | liable | ColonelKernel: x-window-system |
| 12:30.04 | runenes | liable, yes, and internet works on box B if I use IP adresses |
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| 12:30.19 | ColonelKernel | valdyn well, considering this is the debian channel, I figured someone would know what was neccesary to get gnome running off a bare netinstall |
| 12:30.25 | ColonelKernel | thanks liable |
| 12:30.27 | xoz | runenes: just cp /etc/resolv.conf of A to B |
| 12:30.27 | TBBle | alfatau: Yeah, but /dev/dsp is segfulting, because it's a modem. You want things to use /dev/dsp1, or alsa-oss instead. |
| 12:30.55 | TBBle | alfatau: alsa-oss has the advantage that it'll feed into the alsa dmix layer, and so you can have more than one thing making noise at once. |
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| 12:31.36 | xoz | runenes: if your NAT/ipmasq is working in A, it just proxy the request of B... assuming A works. |
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| 12:32.21 | alfatau | TBBle: ok alsa-oss is installed. may i set some configurations to get it working?? |
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| 12:32.55 | liable | ColonelKernel: gdm too! |
| 12:32.56 | TBBle | The stuff in /etc/asound.conf after #OSS Compat did that already. ^_^ |
| 12:33.06 | TBBle | aoss mpg321 blah.mp3 |
| 12:33.22 | TBBle | Or: aoss alsaplayer -o oss blah.mp3 |
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| 12:34.44 | EuComoBauruUser | hi all. Is it possible to select ICEWM in a Sarge installation from the business card cd? |
| 12:35.14 | valdyn | EuComoBauruUser: apt-get install icewm later |
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| 12:35.19 | honschu | How to print out the 3. word in a line with e.g. sed? |
| 12:35.34 | valdyn | EuComoBauruUser: I am however not sure how this has anything to do with your installation method |
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| 12:35.41 | dondelelcaro | honschu: better to use awk '{print $3}' |
| 12:35.52 | honschu | dondelecaro: ah - thx a lot |
| 12:36.04 | EuComoBauruUser | valdyn: it will automatically download X too? |
| 12:36.21 | valdyn | EuComoBauruUser: no, that's apt-get install x-window-system |
| 12:36.52 | valdyn | EuComoBauruUser: or probably apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86 to get a little less packages. |
| 12:36.53 | EuComoBauruUser | valdyn: So, i should use apt-get install x-window-system before, is that correct? |
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| 12:37.09 | valdyn | EuComoBauruUser: order you do this in does not matter |
| 12:37.14 | liable | before, after, same time. |
| 12:37.37 | ram123 | just i want minicom |
| 12:37.44 | valdyn | EuComoBauruUser: the thing is that icewm could be displayed remotely ( on a different computer ), so it does not pull what you need to have X display locally ( which i guess you want though ) |
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| 12:37.55 | cpm2 | hi |
| 12:37.58 | alfatau | TBBle: ehm... aoss alsaplayer -o oss blah.mp3 => no audio, but no errors. so perhaps it's a volume issue. firstly i will restart xserver, then i will try to set volume mixer... if it will be found :) |
| 12:38.05 | EuComoBauruUser | valdyn: ok. Thanks |
| 12:38.49 | TBBle | alfatau: alsamixer -c 1 |
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| 12:39.15 | TBBle | alfatau: Although it should have worked... |
| 12:39.29 | valdyn | TBBle: not using his modem? |
| 12:39.42 | runenes | xoz, resolv.conf is the same on both, but domain name lookup only works on the box directly connected. Internett works on the other one, but I have to use ip adresses.. |
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| 12:39.52 | TBBle | valdyn: I'm not going near the modem just yet. |
| 12:39.57 | valdyn | TBBle: i dont know his ~/.asoundrc so icant tell ( or /etc/asound.conf ) |
| 12:40.03 | neo_ | Hey mates i have some problems with my eth on my debian box it wont find my eth (nvidia nforce ) since this morning |
| 12:40.16 | neo_ | is there anyway i can make debian redetect the eth ? |
| 12:40.22 | alfatau | TBBle: yes, i did it before when working in shell to hear something. but into xserver not woeking. wait.... |
| 12:40.23 | shingouz | neo_: eth? |
| 12:40.30 | valdyn | neo_: what did you do to break it this morning? |
| 12:40.32 | neo_ | the eth interface |
| 12:40.35 | liable | runenes: no firewall on box B? |
| 12:40.36 | neo_ | nothing |
| 12:40.44 | xoz | runenes: there's somthing wrong with you NAT? is it forwarding dns packets? |
| 12:41.03 | neo_ | no update nothing it just stopped |
| 12:41.21 | liable | neo_: does it still show in lspci? |
| 12:41.22 | neo_ | ]ifconfig hw cant find device |
| 12:41.23 | runenes | xoz, I don't know how to check :) I'll read.. |
| 12:41.24 | shingouz | neo_: it is a NIC, not eth btw. do an lsmod on the box just to see if you have the correect modules there |
| 12:41.24 | valdyn | neo_: someone must have done something, try 'mii-tool' ( or 'apt-get install mii-tool' first ) |
| 12:41.35 | TBBle | valdyn: http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc but s/card 0/card 1/ |
| 12:41.51 | neo_ | yes is still shows in lspci |
| 12:41.59 | xoz | runenes: try guidedog |
| 12:42.04 | shingouz | neo_: lsmod not lspci |
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| 12:42.09 | liable | neo_: module loaded |
| 12:42.13 | liable | ? |
| 12:42.21 | Chris- | and it said cd currupt after i burned it at 2x |
| 12:42.22 | neo_ | iee1394 yes |
| 12:42.31 | shingouz | that is firewire afaik |
| 12:42.33 | Chris- | ....:-\ I think something is wrong with my burner |
| 12:42.46 | valdyn | TBBle: ah, nice |
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| 12:42.52 | liable | Chris-: checking the md5sum from windows? |
| 12:43.11 | Chris- | *blank look* what is that? |
| 12:43.12 | TBBle | Yeah. I found that this morning, and wrote down the URL at the top of the file. ^_^ |
| 12:43.25 | ColonelKernel | I am in runlevel 3, but its acting like runlevel 5 - just installed gnome |
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| 12:43.35 | ColonelKernel | rebooted and the thing started up in gnome |
| 12:43.36 | valdyn | TBBle: you using this? does it work completely? some ! look erratic to me ( im not using those on _every_ device ) |
| 12:43.37 | neo_ | the module is loaded |
| 12:43.38 | shingouz | neo_: the ieee1394 is firewire afaik, it is not a NIC |
| 12:43.44 | neo_ | ahh |
| 12:43.54 | neo_ | eth 1394 it sais behind it |
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| 12:44.12 | shingouz | neo_: firewire |
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| 12:44.25 | neo_ | k sow where do i go from here? |
| 12:44.25 | liable | neo_: whats the card? |
| 12:44.37 | neo_ | its a onboard nforce |
| 12:45.15 | ColonelKernel | liable do you know how I can stop gnome from starting automatically? im not in runlevel 5, im in runlevel 3, I dont know why its doing this... |
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| 12:45.32 | shingouz | ColonelKernel: /msg dpkg nodem |
| 12:45.36 | shingouz | nodm even |
| 12:45.48 | neo_ | is it forcedeth maybe? |
| 12:45.50 | shingouz | ColonelKernel: you do not screw with the runlevels in debian |
| 12:46.19 | shingouz | neo_: forget the eth, that is not something that is associated with the nic drivers at all |
| 12:46.25 | Rawplayer | anyone of debian people comming to WTH ? |
| 12:46.28 | omckinley | i just upgraded from woody to sarge, and for some reason whenever I clear out my sources.list file and let apt-setup fill in the info, it always resorts to "testing" as opposed to "stable" like a fresh sarge install does....any way to change this? |
| 12:46.35 | ColonelKernel | shingouz im not getting a response from dpkg |
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| 12:46.46 | caphuso | and here i was, thinking that the whole point of the default configuration of the runlevels in debian was that the admin can screw them |
| 12:46.46 | shingouz | !tell ColonelKernel about nodm |
| 12:46.48 | Chris- | How do I find out the md5sum? |
| 12:46.53 | caphuso | damn, i hate to be wrong |
| 12:46.54 | ColonelKernel | shingouz thanks |
| 12:46.57 | shingouz | np |
| 12:47.05 | SNow | locales are installed although gallery says that it is not installed. tried reinstalling. same thing happening. |
| 12:47.11 | SNow | We were unable to detect any system locales. |
| 12:47.28 | shingouz | caphuso: the admins do screw with them of course ;) |
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| 12:47.59 | alfatau | valdyn TBBle: thanks a lot. restarting xserver /dev/dsp was now found and all sw seems working well. thanks again. (.. now listening "hakuna-matata.mp3" for relaxing :) ) |
| 12:48.07 | DragonEye | I installed a clean debian "sarge" distribution and now I have a problem with php. on one of my websites I use "localhost/index.php?page=something" and I cant get the something |
| 12:48.16 | liable | neo_: is nvnet loaded? |
| 12:48.32 | DragonEye | can't get the data from the url... what should I do? |
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| 12:48.48 | neo_ | its not listed in lsmod |
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| 12:49.15 | TBBle | alfatau: No wuckers, glad to hear it. ^_^ |
| 12:49.17 | silenius | DragonEye: either stip & dance or start talking about facts: what is the error-message, what does the server-log say.... |
| 12:49.23 | silenius | strip} |
| 12:49.24 | silenius | * |
| 12:49.27 | ColonelKernel | exit |
| 12:49.34 | Chris- | :-/ I just downloaded the 110mb ISO and burned it for the network install, it told me it couldn't read the kernel file |
| 12:49.39 | TBBle | valdyn: I'm using it, but I haven't tested it with everything yet. |
| 12:49.44 | DragonEye | nothing... it just doesnt work |
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| 12:49.52 | TBBle | Works with alsaplayer and xine so far. ^_^ |
| 12:49.54 | FieldySnuts | !doesn't work |
| 12:49.55 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 12:50.11 | liable | neo_: try loading it, whats the lspci line for your network say? |
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| 12:51.37 | DragonEye | right |
| 12:51.45 | chrysopa | How to control the font resolution for each terminal using ltsp4.1? |
| 12:51.53 | chrysopa | I have 6 terminal, some of these have 100x100, and others have 75x75, ao monitor are 17" |
| 12:52.01 | FieldySnuts | ask them not us |
| 12:52.10 | chrysopa | 100x100 is good, 75x75 is very bad resolution for reading |
| 12:52.20 | DragonEye | I made a page with php. and I use variables on the url like: "./index.php?page=home" |
| 12:52.20 | neo_ | Ethenet Controller:nVidia Corp Nforce2 Ethernet Controller (rev a1 ) |
| 12:52.32 | FieldySnuts | !hack PHP |
| 12:52.32 | karsten | chrysopa: LTSP != Debian, AFAIK. |
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| 12:52.46 | DragonEye | now I can't get the value of the variable "page" |
| 12:52.51 | timo | vd |
| 12:53.05 | FieldySnuts | DragonEye: ask #php maybe |
| 12:53.08 | karsten | chrysopa: ...though there may be some sort of XServer client database. |
| 12:53.09 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 12:53.12 | DragonEye | ok |
| 12:53.14 | asg | DragonEye: how are you trying to get the variable? $page or $_GET['page'] |
| 12:53.18 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 12:53.20 | karsten | chrysopa: Is that packaged for Debian? |
| 12:53.36 | karsten | ...like velvet. |
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| 12:53.40 | paulswm | HAH |
| 12:53.41 | FieldySnuts | why must my neighbors start doing noisy yard work so early!! not even 8 yet |
| 12:53.41 | chrysopa | No |
| 12:53.48 | chrysopa | but is installed on debian |
| 12:53.51 | asg | karsten: yeah baby </powers> |
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| 12:53.53 | DragonEye | asg: I'm using $page |
| 12:53.56 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite the neighbors |
| 12:53.57 | ravenbird | the neighbors: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 12:54.11 | Phated | 8 isn't early. |
| 12:54.17 | asg | DragonEye: then try $_GET['page'] since magic variables are probably disabled for security reasons in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 12:54.35 | DragonEye | asg: thanks... I'll try it |
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| 12:56.16 | DragonEye | asg: wOOt :D that works :D thank you so much! |
| 12:56.21 | asg | DragonEye: you're welcome |
| 12:56.27 | iluciv | Hi I need help editing lilo; After editing and running lilo I get the error "default image doesn't exist" |
| 12:56.57 | chrysopa | I think that this is an autoprobe for font resolution selection, but I dont find the file to make the change |
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| 12:58.22 | neo_ | blah how do i load the nvnet module? |
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| 12:59.13 | liable | neo_: try forcedeath 'modprobe forcedeath' |
| 12:59.17 | SNow | how does imagemagick package calls ? and what should I do if the locales are installed ant he webservers doesn't see it ? |
| 12:59.19 | omckinley | does anyone know which file it is that stores the list of all the apt sources? |
| 12:59.24 | honschu | How to append xxx with sed? |
| 12:59.30 | valdyn | neo_/ liable "forcedeth" |
| 12:59.32 | oakland | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.33 | asg | omckinley: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:59.51 | iluciv | lol |
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| 12:59.58 | omckinley | asg: not that one, i mean the master file from which the sources.list is derived from....the one which apt-setup uses as a master file |
| 13:00.00 | cplx | !fix oakland |
| 13:00.01 | omckinley | if that made sense |
| 13:00.19 | valdyn | omckinley: dpkg -L apt-setup |
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| 13:00.41 | karsten | asg: You're so goovey, baby. |
| 13:00.59 | omckinley | valdyn: dude, apt-setup isn't a package :) |
| 13:01.23 | asg | omckinley: editor /usr/sbin/apt-setup |
| 13:01.32 | asg | omckinley: the list is referenced in there |
| 13:01.45 | neo_ | forcedeth 17792 0 in lsmod |
| 13:01.50 | omckinley | ah hah! thats what i'm after, thanks asg :) |
| 13:02.05 | liable | neo_: well, whats ifup eth0 do? |
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| 13:02.25 | liable | neo_: or whatever it is. |
| 13:02.33 | Grost | anybody knowing, how to make gcc settings like : march=cpu permanent in debian ? |
| 13:02.33 | neo_ | hodt name lookup failure |
| 13:02.45 | neo_ | failed to bring up eth0 |
| 13:02.50 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:02.53 | elephantman | Does anyone knows this problem with ghostscript : Error: /invalidfont in findfont |
| 13:03.00 | elephantman | praha1: ok thanx - i have this message with "convert label:Anthony test_magik.jpg" |
| 13:03.02 | liable | neo_: whats in your interfaces file? |
| 13:03.10 | initech | asg: she's with Ophelia Wood |
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| 13:03.32 | asg | initech: ah, of course. |
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| 13:04.08 | alfatau | TBBle: a last issue: alsamixer can be setted, kmix doesn't find any mixer. can i do something to enable it... |
| 13:04.15 | neo_ | auto eth0 |
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| 13:04.22 | neo_ | iface eth0 inet static |
| 13:04.32 | neo_ | adress xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 13:04.34 | paulswm | neo_: No, not in here |
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| 13:04.45 | asg | neo_: address, not adress |
| 13:04.50 | initech | alfatau: go into kcontrol and set the sound system up ... |
| 13:04.52 | neo_ | ayes |
| 13:05.01 | neo_ | its address in there |
| 13:05.05 | TBBle | alfatau: Does kmix use OSS or alsa? |
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| 13:05.11 | TBBle | alfatau: Or something else? |
| 13:05.18 | initech | TBBle: either |
| 13:05.43 | alfatau | TBBle: i don't know. how can i discover it?? |
| 13:05.46 | initech | TBBle: default is "autodetect", but perhaps alfatau's is b0rken |
| 13:06.29 | neo_ | auto lo iface lo inet loopback <- is dat okey ? |
| 13:06.43 | TBBle | It's prolly autodetecting either card 0 or /dev/sound/mixer, and that may not work for a modem. |
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| 13:07.27 | liable | neo_: nothing to do with ethernet, is your box connected direct to a modem? |
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| 13:08.42 | alfatau | TBBle: initech: could i switch from autodetect mode to give it the correct sound card?? |
| 13:09.02 | TBBle | Hmm. I'm having trouble finding a particular bug report I sent in ages ago... Is there any kind of body-text search for the BTS? |
| 13:09.12 | TBBle | alfatau: I dunno, never used kmixer. |
| 13:09.37 | alfatau | TBBle: ok thanks elsewhere. |
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| 13:09.42 | asg | TBBle: you can list all bugs based on the submitter email address, provided you remember what that was. |
| 13:10.05 | neo_ | Liable my box is on a hub then to a router |
| 13:10.09 | TBBle | asg: It doesn't show up there. I think I used reportbug from my laptop, so it could have been anything. >_< |
| 13:10.25 | liable | neo_: other boxes ok? |
| 13:10.27 | asg | TBBle: in that case, are you sure it was even sent? |
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| 13:10.48 | TBBle | asg: No. I thought I'd looked it up in the BTS to see, but I'm starting to suspect not. |
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| 13:10.58 | neo_ | yes |
| 13:11.02 | initech | alfatau: well go into kcontrol and give it a whirl then. can't hurt anything. |
| 13:11.03 | neo_ | 3 other running fine |
| 13:11.07 | TBBle | asg: I was just trying to avoid having to plug my laptop in and boot it up. It's an even worse timesink than IRC. ^_^ |
| 13:11.19 | asg | TBBle: then resend it. If it was sent, it will be tagged as a dupe. |
| 13:11.28 | Randall64 | Anyone know if you can boot a 2.6 kernel during installation on alpha? |
| 13:11.57 | TBBle | asg: Oh? Neat. Thanks. ^_^ |
| 13:13.52 | neo_ | ifconfig hw has error fetching interface information |
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| 13:16.27 | liable | neo_: whats ifconfig eth0 up say? |
| 13:16.50 | neo_ | nothing |
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| 13:17.01 | alfatau | initech: it's strange: running xmms, volume changes from xmms has not effect, only acting on the alsamixer i can control... |
| 13:17.08 | shingouz | neo_: ifconfig -a |
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| 13:17.19 | shingouz | neo_: do you see the interface there? |
| 13:17.38 | valdyn | alfatau: did you set xmms to use alsa directly? |
| 13:17.38 | neo_ | yes |
| 13:17.50 | initech | alfatau: what output plugin is xmmms using? i use the arts plugin since i use kde ... |
| 13:17.59 | Randall64 | Where's the hardware compatibility list for sarge? |
| 13:18.04 | neo_ | eth 0 eth 1 lo and sit0 |
| 13:18.23 | liable | neo_: two cards on that machine? |
| 13:18.38 | shingouz | neo_: paste your interfaces file with paster or into #flood, please. do not paste here |
| 13:18.57 | neo_ | ill have to type it hehe im on other box |
| 13:19.16 | neo_ | i have only card on the machine |
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| 13:20.46 | valdyn | Randall64: i don't think such a thing exists specifically for sarge, www.tldp.org might have a linux hardware compatibility list though |
| 13:21.43 | Randall64 | valdyn: errm, really? |
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| 13:22.15 | Randall64 | Noone bothered to document what hardware support is actually built-in? I find that hard to believe. |
| 13:22.22 | alfatau | initech: ok ---valdyn: i don't know |
| 13:22.53 | valdyn | alfatau: configure xmms, chose alsa the alsa plugin for output, select the device 'default' for output and pick a suitable mixer too |
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| 13:23.53 | ColonelKernel | how can I get a more up-to-date channel of gaim? |
| 13:24.04 | dondelelcaro | ColonelKernel: ? |
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| 13:24.24 | bob2 | Randall64: er, such a list is basically impossible to produce |
| 13:24.25 | ColonelKernel | apt-get install gaim gives me 1.2.1 - latest version is 1.3.1 |
| 13:24.26 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 13:24.43 | dondelelcaro | !info gaim sarge |
| 13:24.45 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.1-1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 858 kB, Installed size: 2204 kB |
| 13:24.47 | Randall64 | bob2: You could produce a list with a kernel's .config. |
| 13:24.49 | dondelelcaro | !info gaim sid |
| 13:24.51 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 862 kB, Installed size: 2216 kB |
| 13:24.57 | valdyn | Randall64: hardware compatibility is a function of the kernel, so it might exist outside debian secondly there's such a huge number of different supported hardware that compiling a halfway decent list would be tremendous work.. |
| 13:24.57 | dondelelcaro | ColonelKernel: you were saying? |
| 13:25.07 | FieldySnuts | hrm. should be newer, 1.3.1 is a security update too |
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| 13:25.08 | bob2 | Randall64: 'everything in the upstream kernel is set to M' |
| 13:25.10 | FieldySnuts | oh there it is |
| 13:25.13 | ColonelKernel | dondelelcaro, how can I get the sid version of gaim on my sarge system? |
| 13:25.19 | dondelelcaro | ColonelKernel: backport it. |
| 13:25.41 | ColonelKernel | dondelelcaro, how do I go about doing such a thing |
| 13:25.44 | Randall64 | valdyn: Kernel configuration is clearly a function of the distribution. |
| 13:25.45 | timo | ls |
| 13:25.53 | timo | ETERM |
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| 13:25.59 | FieldySnuts | !lart timo |
| 13:26.09 | dondelelcaro | ColonelKernel: download the source package, compile it. Make changes as necessary to get it to compile on sarge. |
| 13:26.17 | valdyn | Randall64: debians kernel does not exclude any hardware that is supported by the kernel, except 1-2 unfree things. |
| 13:26.17 | Randall64 | Maybe I can find something on the cd. |
| 13:26.27 | ColonelKernel | whoah |
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| 13:26.35 | bob2 | Randall64: the .configs are on the cd, yes |
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| 13:27.10 | Randall64 | bob2: All I have to do is download a 700MB cd. |
| 13:27.17 | drc | How can I reconnect my box to inet? I mean get a new ip for it and stuff. My net was down for I while and now my box doesn't have a connection. Is the only way to reboot? |
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| 13:27.28 | SAK | hallo |
| 13:27.30 | asg | drc: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:27.31 | shingouz | Randall64: what are you talking about? 700M cd? |
| 13:27.33 | bob2 | Randall64: or just look at the kernel config you have |
| 13:27.37 | valdyn | Randall64: why dont you simply pick hardware and check if its supported? |
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| 13:27.48 | Randall64 | valdyn: I don't have a kernel config yet ... |
| 13:27.53 | SAK | kann jemand deutsch |
| 13:28.01 | asg | !german |
| 13:28.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
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| 13:28.06 | drc | asg, thanks |
| 13:28.07 | FieldySnuts | yyikes. these are some big images hehe http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?vev1id=11656 |
| 13:28.10 | valdyn | Randall64: there's different ways to check than reading the kernel config ( which wont be accurate anyway ) |
| 13:28.18 | Randall64 | valdyn: Where do I do that, since I can't figure out how to do it generically. |
| 13:28.30 | valdyn | Randall64: ask people, use google |
| 13:28.46 | SAK | thanks |
| 13:28.46 | shingouz | Randall64: just pick the hardware and check if that specifi piece is supported, that is the easier way |
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| 13:28.52 | valdyn | Are 3ware raid controllers supported by linux 2.6 ? |
| 13:28.55 | Randall64 | valdyn: I already asked google and now I'm in irc. Wouldn't it be more logical to simply doucment it somewhere? |
| 13:29.00 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: yes. |
| 13:29.03 | asg | FieldySnuts: 21600 x 21600 |
| 13:29.11 | valdyn | Randall64: see, it worked for 3ware ;) |
| 13:29.23 | FieldySnuts | asg: tempting |
| 13:29.26 | shingouz | Randall64: yes but that document is pretty much impossible to write much less keep updated |
| 13:29.40 | Randall64 | I know linux supports my hardware. The problem is debian not seeing my scsi controller while installing. |
| 13:29.43 | valdyn | Randall64: feel free to document it... |
| 13:29.58 | valdyn | Randall64: does 'lspci' see it? |
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| 13:30.00 | Randall64 | shingouz: Um, debian releases every few _years_, so I don't see writing as much of a burden. |
| 13:30.05 | dondelelcaro | Randall64: have you loaded the module for your scsi controller? |
| 13:30.07 | shingouz | Randall64: and the scsi controller is? |
| 13:30.09 | FieldySnuts | largest image i've ever opened was 53000x32000 or something crazy like that, this map of iraq from us military (unclassified), really facinating. and really really hard to open. |
| 13:30.10 | drc | asg, how come I can't connect to it's lan ip anymore? how can I get it up? |
| 13:30.12 | Randall64 | valdyn: It's isa ;) |
| 13:30.18 | shingouz | Randall64: then write the doc |
| 13:30.24 | dondelelcaro | yick |
| 13:30.25 | initech | damn 3ware is as expensive as scsi |
| 13:30.30 | Randall64 | shingouz: I'm not a debian developer. |
| 13:30.34 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.39 | Randall64 | Hell, I don't even have it installed. |
| 13:30.39 | valdyn | Randall64: debian doesnt autodetect isa devices |
| 13:30.41 | ColonelKernel | dondelelcaro, can I ge the .deb's for gaim for sid somewhere? |
| 13:30.41 | dondelelcaro | Randall64: you don't need to be a DD to write patches for documentation |
| 13:30.47 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: how much swap did you need? |
| 13:30.52 | dondelelcaro | ColonelKernel: they probably won't install directly on sarge. |
| 13:30.52 | Randall64 | valdyn: I didn't get an option to load modules in the installer. |
| 13:31.01 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: probably all of it (i have 8GB) |
| 13:31.09 | Randall64 | dondelelcaro: Again, no debian. |
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| 13:31.11 | shingouz | Randall64: how about telling us what the controller is, who manufactured it and what it is called |
| 13:31.52 | Randall64 | shingouz: I'll tell you, then you'll possibly look $somewhere. I'd rather know how to fish than be given one. |
| 13:31.54 | FieldySnuts | that was a long time ago, kernel kept killing stuff off |
| 13:32.03 | shingouz | !tinfoil Randall64 |
| 13:32.04 | dpkg | Randall64: If you really are going to be that vague, you should take off your tinfoil hat so that we could read your mind. |
| 13:32.11 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: then you did use everything |
| 13:32.18 | FieldySnuts | yeah. not pretty |
| 13:32.19 | dondelelcaro | Randall64: sure you do. alt-F2; modprobe foomodule. |
| 13:32.39 | Randall64 | vague? I just want to know where to find hardware compatibility. Do I state it another way then? |
| 13:32.39 | valdyn | Randall64: fish on google |
| 13:32.47 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: wants you to own some of that hardware the military uses ;-) |
| 13:32.50 | Randall64 | valdyn: nothing there |
| 13:32.57 | valdyn | Randall64: doubt it |
| 13:33.08 | valdyn | Randall64: why dont you give your device info and let us google? |
| 13:33.26 | shingouz | Randall64: use google, try with the manufacturers name and the type of the controller. if you really do not want to be helped that is your problem then |
| 13:33.29 | dondelelcaro | s/monde/mans/ |
| 13:33.30 | Randall64 | valdyn: adaptec aha1510 on alpha, good luck ;) |
| 13:33.48 | FieldySnuts | http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/images/2433/land_shallow_topo_east.tif heh. 21600x26100 tiff of the entire planet (blue marble) |
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| 13:34.05 | FieldySnuts | oh nice I don't even get very good speed off that server, that's a 420MB file |
| 13:34.05 | shingouz | the 1510 had some issues iirc. |
| 13:34.09 | Randall64 | shingouz: irc is obviously my last resource |
| 13:34.09 | TBBle | Randall64: Use lspci, get the manufacturer and device IDs, and then look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules to find the module that matches? |
| 13:34.09 | kasper | i keep getting erros trying to burn a cd w/ k3b (i've been using it for like a year w/ no problem. but all the sudden it won't find the blank cd in the cd drive, it just says please insert an empty medium : no media found.) any ideas? |
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| 13:34.19 | Randall64 | TBBLe: It's not pci. |
| 13:34.22 | TBBle | Oh. |
| 13:34.25 | TBBle | USB? |
| 13:34.33 | Randall64 | TBBle: ISA |
| 13:34.39 | FieldySnuts | 51 minutes for a large file like that, i'm not going to even complain |
| 13:34.39 | K_Dallas | Q: I am not sure if I have understood the update policy correctly, but is it that since Sarge is stable it would not have any more security updates? If not, how do I see them? I have a line in sources.list for security stuff but never seen anyhting when it do update-upgrades |
| 13:34.44 | TBBle | PlugnPlay? |
| 13:34.52 | Randall64 | shingouz: issues enough that debian dropped support? |
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| 13:35.05 | Randall64 | TBBle: no |
| 13:35.09 | valdyn | Randall64: there's a driver for it in the kernel, if it works on alpha, not sure yet |
| 13:35.14 | TBBle | K_Dallas: Sarge is stable, so it only gets security updates. There haven't been any yet. ^_^ |
| 13:35.22 | shingouz | Randall64: issues on recognition on all linux |
| 13:35.33 | valdyn | Randall64: no reason however why it shouldn't |
| 13:35.45 | shingouz | i do not even remember the name of the module.... |
| 13:35.46 | Randall64 | shingouz: I've used it quite a bit under linux. The only issue is whether I get to on debian 3.1 |
| 13:35.48 | K_Dallas | TBBle, i see, but packages would be updated or only if i put testing in my sources.list |
| 13:35.53 | Randall64 | aha152x is the module |
| 13:36.02 | TBBle | Randall64: Grep through the kernel driver's source (ISA scsi card, so that narrows down the search) for 1510 |
| 13:36.15 | shingouz | Randall64: modprobe aha152x then in the second console, should work |
| 13:36.20 | Randall64 | TBBle: _linux_ supports, my only question is if debian does |
| 13:36.27 | TBBle | K_Dallas: As soon as they into security if you have the security line, otherwise every six months when a new release of Sarge is made. |
| 13:36.28 | valdyn | Randall64: by linux 1.3.24 |
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| 13:36.41 | shingouz | Randall64: try it, it should be supported |
| 13:36.48 | Randall64 | TBBle: And debian can't seem to answer that, because it provides no hardware compatibility |
| 13:36.48 | valdyn | damn this is old shit |
| 13:36.51 | K_Dallas | i see, thanks TBBle |
| 13:36.52 | streuner | !ops BeGinneR is a spambot |
| 13:36.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: BeGinneR is a spambot |
| 13:36.56 | TBBle | Randall64: If it's supported by the linux kernel you've got, then Debian supports it. |
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| 13:37.10 | initech | Randall64: why do you insist on being impossible? |
| 13:37.14 | shingouz | Randall64: no distro i know if has a HCL really |
| 13:37.20 | shingouz | s/if/of |
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| 13:37.41 | TBBle | Randall64: Debian's hardward compatibility is defined by the kernel you're running (from the set of Linux, Hurd, NetBSD, FreeBSD), with possible user-space driver requirements. |
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| 13:41.30 | Randall64 | I can't find a kernel config on the cd. |
| 13:41.54 | valdyn | Randall64: the aha152x driver is in debians kernels, if you specific device works with it is impossible to tell fr me |
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| 13:42.25 | ColonelKernel | dondelelcaro, the sid debs for gaim work fine - very nice |
| 13:42.54 | shingouz | Randall64: do you have the installer running at the moment? |
| 13:42.59 | ColonelKernel | and imho gnome 2.8 is faster and more responsive than 2.10 big time |
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| 13:44.02 | valdyn | Randall64: oh and according to the scsi howto from 1996 ( sic ), this driver supports your chipset |
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| 13:44.41 | Randall64 | valdn: Like I said, I know it works in linux. |
| 13:44.49 | shingouz | Randall64: do you have the installer running at the moment? |
| 13:45.03 | elephantman | When you "export" a var |
| 13:45.05 | Randall64 | singouz: I will shortly (for an alpha anyway) |
| 13:45.10 | elephantman | Is it immediatly available ? |
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| 13:45.29 | valdyn | !whine |
| 13:45.29 | dpkg | i heard whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 13:45.33 | findme | i need a editor to create my website? which editor should i use? |
| 13:45.33 | shingouz | Randall64: geee..... |
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| 13:45.41 | Randall64 | elephant: to existing children? |
| 13:45.53 | Randall64 | findme: xemacs |
| 13:45.54 | caphuso | elephantman: are you afraid that there's a 5 minute delay or something? |
| 13:46.06 | lobz | !tell lobz about ati drivers |
| 13:46.11 | amphi | findme: vim |
| 13:46.14 | findme | Randall64, i am comfy with vim , i need a graphical one |
| 13:46.22 | amphi | findme: gvim |
| 13:46.22 | Randall64 | shingouz: Oh, I hoped for the best, and tried the installer first. |
| 13:46.29 | TBBle | Randall64: If it works in linux, and you're installing Debian/Linux, unless the Linux in Debian is older than the Linux in which it started working, then it'll work. |
| 13:46.32 | findme | amphi, thanks |
| 13:46.45 | shingouz | Randall64: just enter the second console there and modprobe the damn thing in the kernel |
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| 13:47.06 | TBBle | findme: vim in a uxterm, so you don't get the ugly ugly colours of gvim? |
| 13:47.22 | findme | what about bluefish |
| 13:47.29 | amphi | ugly colours? :syn off |
| 13:47.41 | Randall64 | shingouz: There was no aha152x module, but I'm looking more closely now. |
| 13:47.49 | TBBle | ... while maintaining syntax highlighting. ^_^ |
| 13:48.17 | shingouz | i give up, i do not have the patience trying to extract information with pliers, Randall64 |
| 13:48.37 | Randall64 | shingouz: Did I not just tell that I'm booting the installer _right now_? |
| 13:48.43 | amphi | TBBle: another colour scheme? make your own? |
| 13:48.47 | Randall64 | s/tell/tell you/ |
| 13:49.17 | shingouz | Randall64: modprobe the frigging module into the kernel and check back here when you have something we can use to help you. smoke break for me |
| 13:49.52 | Randall64 | shingouz: I don't need #debian's help to install the module. I just need debian-specific documentation. |
| 13:50.47 | TBBle | amphi: That's also possible. And for a while on windows, I used the one that was kinda like vim under a uxterm. But for linux, uxterm all the way. ^_^ |
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| 13:51.57 | amphi | TBBle: I use mrxvt atm |
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| 13:53.29 | lucio | I downloaded the Sarge DVD ISOs at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ . No errors but the iso size is 391739392 ?!? |
| 13:54.08 | drc | what's wrong with the size? |
| 13:54.10 | valdyn | Randall64: packages.debian.org sais that that module exists |
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| 13:54.16 | Jhair | lucio: and what say the MD5 signature |
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| 13:54.33 | neo_ | liable its fixed i trew away eth0 (was firewire i think0 it made eth0 as default but eth1 is the nforce eth and it tried to get dhcp offer from my mythtv box :) |
| 13:54.40 | lucio | Jhair: differenr md5 signatures |
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| 13:54.52 | lucio | Jhair: differ |
| 13:54.56 | Jhair | lucio: then something is wrong with your download, I am afraid... |
| 13:54.59 | Randall64 | still "Detecting hardware" ... |
| 13:55.08 | llama32 | i really need help... i [well knoppix installer] overwrit my normal MBR with Lilo's now i cant boot windows, and this is a shared PC... |
| 13:55.17 | Randall64 | I think something choked, but I didn't catch it before it disappeared. |
| 13:55.29 | lucio | Jhair: I downloaded via http after a friend of mine pointed me to the same problem |
| 13:55.42 | Randall64 | llama32: both grub and lilo can boot windoze |
| 13:55.46 | Trewas | lucio: you must download dvdimages with some program that can handle >2GB files (wget doesn't) |
| 13:55.52 | llama32 | can someone give me any hint as to how to restore my old MBR (does lilo install do a backup?) or get windows bootable?? |
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| 13:56.08 | llama32 | Randall64: neither in my case, not by default anyway :| |
| 13:56.21 | lucio | Trewas: why does wget stop downloading at 391Mb? |
| 13:56.38 | Trewas | lucio: it's broken :) |
| 13:56.45 | valdyn | llama32: look at /etc/lilo.conf, probably has a commented entry to boot windows |
| 13:56.48 | Randall64 | llama32: Boot from the windows cd and run fixmbr |
| 13:56.50 | ColonelKernel | no mplayer for debian? whats the recoomended movie player? |
| 13:57.01 | valdyn | !tell ColonelKernel about marillat |
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| 13:57.08 | llama32 | Randall64: dont have the cd, but thanks ill try lilo.conf |
| 13:57.09 | K_Dallas | ColonelKernel, 1st: there is mplayer for debian, 2nd: there are vlc and xine |
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| 13:57.12 | lucio | Trewas: I downloaded >600Mb file with wget so many times... |
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| 13:57.26 | Trewas | lucio: yes, but the problem is only with >2GB files |
| 13:57.27 | ColonelKernel | K_Dallas, where can I locate mplayer for debian? |
| 13:57.31 | sh4dowcat | Randall64: finally installed debian eh? |
| 13:57.47 | valdyn | appearantly that driver no longer works for alfa on 2.6.x |
| 13:57.54 | findme | ColonelKernel, where is mplayer; which mplayer; |
| 13:57.56 | K_Dallas | ColonelKernel, try this: |
| 13:57.59 | K_Dallas | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main |
| 13:57.59 | Randall64 | sh4dowcat: I already said it wouldn't install ... |
| 13:58.09 | leoster | hi, i would like to move my /usr due to space problem, is it safe to just copy the contents to another partition and mount it to /usr? |
| 13:58.29 | valdyn | leoster: 'cp -a' |
| 13:58.30 | K_Dallas | ColonelKernel, i just compiled it from the source last night, i would recommend it if you have special needs |
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| 13:58.47 | goron | When I build something from source, I often see "checking for XYY.... ok" etc. What does this really mean? Is it just checked whether a file is found and whether it's executable, or... In other words: what are the semantics of this checking line? |
| 13:59.14 | shingouz | Randall64: either google for it or write it if it is not there |
| 13:59.19 | ColonelKernel | K_Dallas, no special needs, just want to play my rips, I put the disks away to save them |
| 13:59.21 | K_Dallas | goron, the config script checks to see if your system has all the prerequisites to complie |
| 13:59.25 | Jhair | lucio: the Changelog of wget in unstable says: |
| 13:59.27 | Jhair | ** Downloading files larger than 2GB, sometimes referred to as "large |
| 13:59.27 | Jhair | files", now works on systems that support them. |
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| 13:59.33 | K_Dallas | ColonelKernel, so add that line to your sources.list |
| 13:59.37 | llama32 | [urgent]: does anyone know how to restore a MBR after lilo is installed? does it back it up??? |
| 13:59.39 | Jhair | I don't know if you are running unstable though |
| 13:59.45 | greycat | leoster: and do it from single-user mode |
| 13:59.51 | valdyn | goron: which check is performed depends on scripts that you'd have to read.. different for many things. |
| 13:59.58 | K_Dallas | llama32, there is a fixmbr or something |
| 14:00.01 | valdyn | goron: by no means unified.. |
| 14:00.07 | PolarWolf | llama32: What was in it before lilo got installed? |
| 14:00.08 | paulswm | llama32: yes it does. Probably check man lilo |
| 14:00.32 | ColonelKernel | K_Dallas, thank you |
| 14:00.36 | K_Dallas | pleasure |
| 14:00.36 | liable | llama32: boot the cd again and rerun lilo or install grub |
| 14:00.55 | lucio | Jhair: Trewas : ok. I surrender :) |
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| 14:01.02 | goron | valdyn: So basically it's some hackup MACRO for every dependency, custom for every dependency? So it's just a heuristic? |
| 14:01.05 | lucio | rsync rsync://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso . |
| 14:01.10 | goron | er hacked-up |
| 14:01.14 | llama32 | thanks all |
| 14:01.21 | lucio | rsync will do the job? |
| 14:01.30 | paulswm | llama32: grub is better IMO, it is less hard to make your machine unbootable, and it is easy to work with a grub floppy if you do get in that state. |
| 14:02.03 | llama32 | i overwrit XP's MBR, now it wont boot and this is a shared machine :| |
| 14:02.05 | valdyn | goron: probably often, yea, some things provide nice ways to check for them, some do not. |
| 14:02.19 | llama32 | in qtparted, would "active" mean bootable? |
| 14:02.43 | goron | valdyn: Is there some searchable database for those macro's? |
| 14:02.49 | K_Dallas | llama32, if you boot from XP-CD, it has a fixmbr in its rescue section |
| 14:02.55 | Jhair | lucio: yes, should work... do you know already about jigdo? http://www.debian.de/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 14:03.03 | valdyn | goron: no idea where |
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| 14:03.16 | ColonelKernel | K_Dallas, which of these do I use for a pentium4HT? |
| 14:03.17 | Jhair | lucio: maybe that could help too |
| 14:03.34 | Randall64 | Man, 48MB isn't even enough memory anymore |
| 14:03.36 | K_Dallas | K_Dallas, not sure but try 686 |
| 14:03.42 | K_Dallas | oops, ColonelKernel |
| 14:03.43 | llama32 | K_Dallas: i dont have the CD (im going to report the guy who sold me the computer to microsoft) |
| 14:03.50 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 14:03.52 | FieldySnuts | uh huh. |
| 14:03.53 | ColonelKernel | theres 386 and 586 |
| 14:03.59 | leoster | valdyn, thx |
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| 14:04.08 | K_Dallas | ColonelKernel, so go with 586 |
| 14:04.09 | ColonelKernel | K_Dallas, did ya forget to do a 686 one? |
| 14:04.14 | llama32 | if a partition is "active" does that mean it is the bootable partition on the drive? |
| 14:04.17 | shingouz | Randall64: for the installer, the system runs on pretty much anything |
| 14:04.19 | paulswm | llama32: yes |
| 14:04.20 | K_Dallas | :) i am not responsible for that :):) |
| 14:04.46 | llama32 | yay, cus my XP partition is not active, that could be why its not booting :) |
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| 14:05.12 | Randall64 | shingouz: Processes keep getting killed with VM warnings in 48MB |
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| 14:05.21 | shingouz | Randall64: the installer? |
| 14:05.22 | llama32 | byebye, thanks all, wish me luck (im gonna reboot, hope XP starts) |
| 14:05.28 | Randall64 | shingouz: yeah |
| 14:05.37 | shingouz | Randall64: do you have swap there already? |
| 14:05.46 | Randall64 | I could get some memory back if the installer had rmmod :( |
| 14:05.48 | amphi | llama32: it means it has a 'bootable' flag set, which some OSes care about, windows being one I believe |
| 14:06.03 | [bugi] | What is the default gui for debian if i want to install it only from the first cd? |
| 14:06.05 | Randall64 | shingouz: I can't even load the scsi adapter module ... |
| 14:06.06 | valdyn | Randall64: modprobe -r ? |
| 14:06.07 | shingouz | Randall64: does it have modprobe? |
| 14:06.10 | ColonelKernel | I have a dell dimension 8300 - the retarded thing has a problem with flippin the drives when a secondary hd is installed - the dell bios has a funky and proprietary setup and a standard partitioning scheme doesnt work |
| 14:06.13 | Randall64 | ahh, good idea |
| 14:06.15 | K_Dallas | ColonelKernel, here is what i got: any optimizations for pentium 4 ht, will already be in mplayers' code, so just pick the newest mplayer build |
| 14:06.20 | [bugi] | Is it Gnome or KDE or something else? |
| 14:06.25 | FieldySnuts | get a reacl computer then |
| 14:06.34 | Randall64 | ahh, modprobe -r looks for rmmod :) |
| 14:06.42 | K_Dallas | ColonelKernel, your best bet would be to compile it |
| 14:06.52 | liable | [bugi]: you can install both from iso1. |
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| 14:06.56 | valdyn | Randall64: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/unmaintained/SCSI-HOWTO |
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| 14:07.08 | shingouz | Randall64: besides the aha1520x used to have some issues with the recognition, iirc it needed to get the irq etc parameters before it could work |
| 14:07.09 | [bugi] | liable, but which is the default one? |
| 14:07.15 | darxeth | how can i get firefox through apt-get install? |
| 14:07.27 | Randall64 | shingouz: Yes, I have them, but the module is missing a symbol. |
| 14:07.28 | [bugi] | liable, i.e if i choose default install |
| 14:07.32 | K_Dallas | darxeth, apt-getinstall mozilla-firefox |
| 14:07.32 | liable | [bugi]: if you choose desktop environment you get both, |
| 14:07.41 | [bugi] | liable, ok , thx |
| 14:07.44 | darxeth | thanks K_Dallas |
| 14:07.47 | K_Dallas | np |
| 14:07.49 | shingouz | Randall64: what kernel you use to install? |
| 14:07.50 | liable | [bugi]: or just install base-system and apt-get what you want |
| 14:07.57 | [bugi] | liable, ok |
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| 14:08.05 | Randall64 | shingouz: The only one available (2.4.27) |
| 14:08.16 | shingouz | Randall64: no 2.6 then? |
| 14:08.17 | paulswm | ColonelKernel: Not sure why you want to flip the drives, but if you are using grub, you can flip them prior to a WIndows boot if that's what you're after |
| 14:08.17 | K_Dallas | ColonelKernel, i see mplayer 686 too |
| 14:08.30 | [bugi] | liable, ah, one more question, what package do i need if i want to manage services in Gnome? |
| 14:08.31 | Randall64 | shingouz: Actually, I first started looking for a way to boot 2.6, but couldn't find that documented either |
| 14:08.39 | valdyn | that driver is missing in 2.6 for alpha anyway. |
| 14:08.46 | K_Dallas | ColonelKernel, add these two lines to your sources.list as well: |
| 14:08.48 | K_Dallas | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 14:08.48 | K_Dallas | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 14:08.48 | [bugi] | liable, you know, turning on and turning off daemons |
| 14:08.59 | darxeth | did anyone hear about this new linux software that enables you to record stuff from the tv through a tv cable and make you do other stuff like that... my friend told me about it and it's making a revolution. does anyone knows what i'm talking about?/ |
| 14:09.05 | liable | [bugi]: dunno for gnome but sysvconfig works from cli. |
| 14:09.10 | Jhair | AFAIK flipping drives is also possible with lilo, e.g. disk = /dev/hdb bios = 0x80 , etc... |
| 14:09.14 | Randall64 | depmod -a isn't working because it's out of space (in 48MB) |
| 14:09.22 | kasper | anyone having issues w/ k3b not reconizing the cdr? |
| 14:09.23 | valdyn | Randall64: that is why you should press F1 when it tells you to ( at the first screen when booting the installer ), no idea if alpha install does support 2.6 though, that would be in the release notes |
| 14:09.31 | shingouz | Randall64: do you have swap on? this is the second time i ask it |
| 14:09.32 | Randall64 | valdyn: F1 eh? ;) |
| 14:09.33 | [bugi] | liable, ok, thx again, see you in Debian :-) |
| 14:09.42 | Randall64 | valdyn: You're getting a little arch-specific there. |
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| 14:09.57 | valdyn | Randall64: oh, you have no F1 ? |
| 14:10.00 | PolarWolf | valdyn: last time I ran it, it gave me an option to select between 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 14:10.02 | Randall64 | shingouz: I can't swap to anything without the scsi controller |
| 14:10.14 | paulswm | Jhair: Yes, it does, IIRC, but my geezer-memory is old and non-ECC :) |
| 14:10.23 | Randall64 | valdyn: You don't get a menu when you boot from SRM. |
| 14:10.23 | ColonelKernel | what is the debian sysinit script? |
| 14:10.29 | shingouz | Randall64: so all your drives sit on that specific controller then. nice to finally get some information |
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| 14:10.36 | valdyn | Randall64: ah, alright. |
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| 14:10.49 | Randall64 | shingouz: I wonder why you'd assume otherwise. |
| 14:11.25 | shingouz | Randall64: because i do not know what kind of hardware you have there. i have seen too many systems with additional isa scsi boards installed |
| 14:11.42 | paulswm | ColonelKernel: it's the /etc/rcN.d directories, read man update-rc and the Debian Reference manual for detail |
| 14:12.07 | shingouz | Randall64: when the installer boots it just boots into the kernel with no prompt inbetween there, you cannot give the kernel any parameters before the installer comes up? |
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| 14:12.25 | paulswm | ColonelKernel: I mean man update-rc.d |
| 14:12.26 | Randall64 | shingouz: The root of the problem is some weird termination issue that stops me from putting both cdrom and hard drive on the on-board controller, so I just need an addtional controller for the install. |
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| 14:12.38 | Randall64 | shingouz: You can provide boot flags ... |
| 14:13.06 | Randall64 | On old debian installs you got an aboot prompt, where you could specify a kernel. |
| 14:13.27 | shingouz | Randall64: termination issue... hmm... so you have dual scsi there. how about putting the hd on the other one so that the installer will see it and use the aha for the cd? |
| 14:13.31 | ColonelKernel | paulswm, im not looking to add or remove a service to the runlevel - I need to add a line to the system init script to make my windows swap fine into linux swap - ie 'mkswap /backup/pagefile.sys' |
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| 14:13.44 | ColonelKernel | for dual booting purposes |
| 14:13.53 | Randall64 | shingouz: SRM isn't going to see the isa controller (to boot from) |
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| 14:14.14 | shingouz | Randall64: then there is always the possibilty that you use the woody installer and just set up a real minimal system that you dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 14:14.27 | paulswm | ColonelKernel: Ah, I think there is even a howto on that, though I'm surprised that, these days, you are that tight on disk space :) |
| 14:14.40 | Randall64 | shingouz: Yeah, yeah, but now I have to file a bug report on sarge on alpha. |
| 14:14.42 | shingouz | Randall64: or boot from the sarge netinstall floppies perhaps |
| 14:14.56 | Randall64 | I don't have another floppy drive to make floppies ;) |
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| 14:15.14 | shingouz | Randall64: not even a 5 1/4 ? ;) |
| 14:15.18 | ColonelKernel | paulswm, isnt a matter of being tight on disk space as much as not wanting to waste a gig and a half for nothing |
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| 14:15.23 | ColonelKernel | exit |
| 14:15.59 | paulswm | ColonelKernel: so how about you write the script and put it in rcS.d, but the debian reference manual describes the boot process |
| 14:16.16 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a world war |
| 14:16.16 | dpkg | Muslims rule! |
| 14:16.22 | paulswm | o.O |
| 14:16.30 | Shay | :| |
| 14:16.35 | Shay | a terrorist bot. |
| 14:16.37 | paulswm | !singlishsmite FieldySnuts |
| 14:16.37 | Jhair | he he |
| 14:16.37 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
| 14:16.41 | paulswm | :P |
| 14:16.43 | ColonelKernel | paulswm, this is something that needs to be inserted into the system init script before the system calls for "swapon -a" |
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| 14:16.55 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a world war |
| 14:16.55 | dpkg | Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians! |
| 14:17.03 | nomed^ | i'm still trying to understand why after debootstrap i can't get a prompt .. |
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| 14:17.19 | nomed^ | what is the device that give me a prompt .. ? |
| 14:17.23 | FieldySnuts | damn heh |
| 14:17.30 | paulswm | ColonelKernel: As you aren't getting an answer here, try the Debian reference Manual, the boot process is described there |
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| 14:19.09 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite paulswm |
| 14:19.09 | ravenbird | paulswm: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 14:19.14 | FieldySnuts | it sure says that one a lot |
| 14:19.55 | paulswm | Yes, and it doesn't make sense - bog == toilet (noun) |
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| 14:20.16 | TBBle | Well, bog can also mean defecate or fecal matter. |
| 14:20.27 | FieldySnuts | heh. you guys are debating aussiesmite. |
| 14:20.38 | TBBle | But only in the context of "take a bog" that I can think of. |
| 14:20.40 | OldakQuill | It can also mean a kind of oxygen-free soil |
| 14:21.05 | TBBle | If someone says "There's a bog" then I assume they mean swamp. |
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| 14:21.19 | OldakQuill | ie. "I found a preserved ten thousand year old body in a boy yesterday" |
| 14:21.26 | TBBle | Exactly. |
| 14:21.29 | portahex | !ops GreeN -> spambot |
| 14:21.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: GreeN -> spambot |
| 14:21.36 | TBBle | But specifically, "take a bog" is to defecate. |
| 14:21.36 | OldakQuill | s/boy/bog/ |
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| 14:21.44 | amphi | OldakQuill: you've no doubt read 'the bog people' by professor Glob |
| 14:21.57 | OldakQuill | Sounds like a northern expression |
| 14:22.37 | paulswm | TBBle: Sorry, then, I am out of touch with Aussie slang and maybe British slang, too, being an elderly gentleman :) |
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| 14:23.57 | TBBle | LOL. Well, you live, you learn. ^_^ |
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| 14:24.15 | paulswm | !geezersmite TBBle |
| 14:24.19 | paulswm | :P |
| 14:24.22 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:24.46 | paulswm | I love that. |
| 14:24.59 | TBBle | Hehe |
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| 14:28.05 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a badger war |
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| 14:29.15 | paulswm | !qotd125 |
| 14:29.15 | dpkg | methinks qotd125 is <exobyte> California should steal .ca from canada <exobyte> our state flower causes people to fail drug tests. how kick ass is that?! |
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| 14:29.58 | paulswm | !badgersmite FieldySnuts |
| 14:30.08 | leoster | i would like to mount my /usr in another partition, what are the suggested type and options for /usr, i saw reiserfs in a partitioning faq |
| 14:30.20 | shingouz | paulswm: just a platoon? |
| 14:30.21 | alfatau | hi, i discovered a new problem for my new sarge installation: when i turn off my laptop, i get a message saying "acpi_power_off called" instead of really turning off. So i've to keep the power button pressed to turn the laptop off. Do u know to what is it due?? i had to install the newest 2.6.12 kernel because of the acpi support. |
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| 14:30.37 | FieldySnuts | damn |
| 14:30.47 | paulswm | shingouz: Yeah, that's not enough badgerpower to go up against FieldySnuts |
| 14:30.57 | TBBle | alfatau: That rings a bell... You may need to see if there's an ACPI update for that kernel version. |
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| 14:31.43 | xoz | alfatau: check /usr/share/doc/acpid/examples/ and edit /etc/acpi/ |
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| 14:32.11 | alfatau | TBBle: i looked at... but still updates for rc2... |
| 14:32.34 | TBBle | alfatau: Hmm. They might still apply, you'd have to check the kernel changelog for ACPI changes. |
| 14:32.44 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: blame paulswm |
| 14:32.54 | TBBle | This's the danger of leading-edge kernels. -_-; |
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| 14:33.52 | FieldySnuts | /dev/hde2 3.8G 3.8G 0 100% /tmp |
| 14:33.53 | FieldySnuts | .... |
| 14:34.07 | darxeth | i got this when i type firefox in the terminal: (firefox-bin:2912): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 14:34.08 | ColonelKernel | I just wanna make sure im doing this right - if I type in alsactl store, itll store my current sound setting as the default? |
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| 14:34.33 | giupy_ | i use testing and precompiled 2.6.11 kernel, since 2 days, i didn't change nothing, divx and mp3 goes slowly, sound and video using vlc xmms and mplayer....wiich can be the reason? |
| 14:34.45 | xoz | darxeth: can you try runnint xterm/rxvt? |
| 14:34.54 | TBBle | darxeth: Are you currently a user who has logged into an xsession, or have you su'd or sudo'd to someone else? |
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| 14:35.27 | FieldySnuts | cute. imagemagicks convert command has filled up /tmp |
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| 14:35.41 | alfatau | TBBle: i though acpi updates i had in my old 2.6.11 kernel were included in newest 2.6.12. once upon a time it turned of without having to keep the button pressed. |
| 14:35.49 | gadis_manja | hiiiiiiiiii........... |
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| 14:35.52 | darxeth | i have just apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 14:36.17 | darxeth | but it told me dpkg: error processing locales (--configure): |
| 14:36.41 | darxeth | plus to some other errors like: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:36.43 | darxeth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:36.55 | darxeth | and: Please restart any running Firefoxes, or you will experience problems. |
| 14:37.06 | darxeth | anyone have an idea? |
| 14:37.24 | TBBle | Althaser: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=155127 comment #3 |
| 14:37.29 | TBBle | Oops |
| 14:37.33 | TBBle | alfatau: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=155127 comment #3 |
| 14:37.56 | TBBle | alfatau: Apparently broken sometime after 2.6.8 |
| 14:37.58 | darxeth | xoz: what's xterm/rxvt? |
| 14:37.59 | alfatau | xoz: i have not to shutdown when i press the pwr button. i want the laptop turns off itself without having to keep pressed the pwr button, so i'm not interested about events configuration. |
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| 14:38.25 | alfatau | TBBle: damn... ok, i will wait for the next acpi update release :) |
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| 14:39.03 | kelan | darxeth: how are you trying to run firefox? typing a command? |
| 14:39.28 | darxeth | kelan yeah |
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| 14:39.37 | darxeth | typing firefox.. i dunno :\ |
| 14:39.45 | comadreja | how do I install a java vm on debian ? |
| 14:39.50 | comadreja | I mean sun one |
| 14:39.56 | kelan | darxeth: try typing 'xterm' as a command, but without the quotes |
| 14:40.19 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a java war |
| 14:40.27 | FieldySnuts | darn hehe |
| 14:40.35 | kelan | !tell comadreja about install java |
| 14:40.37 | darxeth | -su: xterm: command not found |
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| 14:41.17 | darxeth | kelan i got this when i type xterm |
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| 14:41.37 | xoz | darxeth: are you running X? what terminal are you using? |
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| 14:41.43 | TBBle | alfatau: Yeah, all the suggested fixes require kernel rebuilding. |
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| 14:42.04 | giupy_ | i use testing and precompiled 2.6.11 kernel, since 2 days, i didn't change nothing, divx and mp3 goes slowly, sound and video using vlc xmms and mplayer....wiich can be the reason? |
| 14:42.09 | darxeth | xoz: yes i'm on X window using kde... i'm on a konsole terminal |
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| 14:42.42 | TBBle | darxeth: Did you su - to run apt-get? Are you still root? |
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| 14:43.03 | darxeth | yes i was root |
| 14:43.10 | alfatau | TBBle: i know, it's not a problem i already did it. thanks |
| 14:43.11 | liable | darxeth: have you tried starting it from the menu? |
| 14:43.29 | darxeth | i think the problem is with processing locales.. that's what it says |
| 14:43.30 | TBBle | darxeth: Are you _still_ root? |
| 14:43.32 | xoz | darxeth: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade first to make sure you have proper deps |
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| 14:44.09 | darxeth | i've done this update thing yesterday.. |
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| 14:44.38 | darxeth | liable: where in the menu? i didnt find it in 'Internet' ... |
| 14:44.44 | xoz | darxeth: try apt-get install mozilla |
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| 14:45.00 | leonel | any news about sarge security ? |
| 14:45.06 | liable | darxeth: well, run the menu updating thing. |
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| 14:45.24 | leoster | hi all, i copied my /usr contents to /dev/hda6/ in /usr directory, now how can I mount it and remove the previous /usr to free up space? |
| 14:45.30 | darxeth | hold on, i've done apt-get install update and upgrade and it seems to processing something new... |
| 14:46.20 | darxeth | damn it'll take 36mins !! |
| 14:46.36 | Gavrila | anyone knows a good irc channel where to discuss about computer science issues? |
| 14:46.40 | darxeth | what does this update/upgrade thing do? |
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| 14:47.12 | leoster | hi all, i copied my /usr contents to another partion in /usr directory, now how can I mount it and remove the previous /usr to free up space? |
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| 14:47.15 | xoz | !faq darxeth |
| 14:47.16 | dpkg | darxeth: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:47.23 | kelan | !tell leoster about repeat |
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| 14:48.20 | xoz | leoster: you have to edit /etc/fstab and reboot ... or init 1 then edit /etc/fstab ... and init 2, hopefully |
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| 14:49.06 | darxeth | it seems that firefox worked well when i opened this link |
| 14:49.15 | leoster | xoz, /usr contents are not in the root of my /dev/hda6, but in /dev/hda6/usr :( |
| 14:49.18 | darxeth | but i dunno how to start it first? |
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| 14:49.37 | shingouz | leoster: yes you can as long as you are sure you did nto screw up the permissions or anything. you cannot have two /urs directories there |
| 14:49.38 | TBBle | darxeth: Are you still root in the window you tried to run firefox in? |
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| 14:50.04 | leoster | shingouz, i did cp -a |
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| 14:50.13 | shingouz | leoster: of course you have to mount the new /usr where it belongs or the system will be borked |
| 14:50.16 | darxeth | TBBle: no i'm doing the update/upgrade thing in it atm, but i can open a new root konsole :D |
| 14:50.42 | TBBle | darxeth: Don't run firefox as root. Run it as whatever user you started X as. |
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| 14:50.53 | shingouz | leoster: to test it, move the old /usr elsewhere, do not rm it before you are sure the new version works as it should |
| 14:50.54 | leoster | shingouz, but now the proble is that new /usr is a child directory in /dev/hda6, how can i mount it |
| 14:51.01 | darxeth | TBBle: how? |
| 14:51.12 | darxeth | TBBle: by typing what? |
| 14:51.57 | darxeth | i'll try typing firefox first |
| 14:52.06 | xoz | leoster: cd to the usr/ and mv * .. |
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| 14:52.22 | xoz | leoster: in /dev/hda6 |
| 14:52.23 | shingouz | leoster: mv the old usr out of the way, mkdir /usr with the proper permissions, umount the /dev/hda6 from where is is now, point the new partition to /usr and mount it. you may end up with a borked system, that is why it is very important to keep the old usr still intact but under a new name |
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| 14:53.10 | xoz | leoster: init 1 first for safe operation |
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| 14:53.18 | darxeth | TBBle: ok it has started, but it toke long to start :\ |
| 14:53.49 | darxeth | what's this menu update thing? |
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| 14:54.18 | FieldySnuts | @poop |
| 14:54.18 | TBBle | dark: Yeah, it's slow to start for me too, usually. |
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| 14:54.55 | TBBle | fg |
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| 14:55.47 | roberto_ | hi everybody |
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| 14:56.20 | picard | whenver I try to apt-get something, it tells me to run apt-get -f install. When I go to run apt-get -f install it has an error and dies |
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| 14:56.32 | PolarWolf | picard: So fix the error |
| 14:56.33 | darxeth | ok. my system has crashed. cool :( |
| 14:56.41 | shingouz | picard: the first error, that is |
| 14:56.43 | xoz | picard: apt-get remove <package with error> |
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| 14:57.15 | bizkit | hello, what is the ristriction for postfix to deny sending mails with "sender adresses" not existing on the own system? e.g. i get spam mails from blah@mydomain.net, but user blah does not exist. |
| 14:57.32 | picard | xoz: i tried that, it still tells me to run apt-get -f install |
| 14:57.56 | xoz | picard: what package has error? |
| 14:58.14 | cHaPlinux | Between reiserfs, xfs and jfs, which the friends recommend? |
| 14:58.22 | zinx | cha: xfs |
| 14:58.27 | greycat | for what purpose? |
| 14:58.29 | picard | xoz: bittorrent-gui: Depends: libwxgtk2.4-python but it is not going to be installed |
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| 14:58.36 | zinx | cHaPlinux: ext3 and xfs are the only ones worth using :P |
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| 14:58.47 | caphuso | bizkit: is it your box that sends those mails? |
| 14:58.58 | shingouz | picard: then install the libwxgtwhatever. you are not running Sid by any chance? |
| 14:59.05 | roberto_ | - i need some supoort..my debian 3.1r0a is totally fine unless de audio- plays but mute |
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| 14:59.23 | shingouz | roberto_: alsamixer and unmute the stuff |
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| 14:59.37 | xoz | picard: apt-get -f install ... what's the error after you execute this cmmand? |
| 14:59.47 | bizkit | caphuso: no, they come from an other smtp, since i've checked my box and its not an open relay. it's a dialup adress from comcast.. |
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| 15:00.00 | picard | shingouz: that is the problem,. when I try to install it, it tries to overwrite /usr/bin/helpviewer and then dies |
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| 15:00.23 | caphuso | bizkit: and now you want to configure the box with the comcast dialup IP to not send those mails? |
| 15:00.24 | shingouz | picard: what version of debian you have there? sarge, etch sid? |
| 15:00.30 | caphuso | bizkit: tell me, how are you going to do that? |
| 15:00.46 | kamaraju | When you guys reply to questions posted by others, I have noticed that you prepend the answers with username. Is there an easy to do it (instead of typing it literally) in xchat or other irc clients? |
| 15:00.47 | bizkit | caphuso: since some days now this dialup adress spams my box with mails from register@mydomain, free@mydomain etc. |
| 15:00.51 | picard | shingouz: sid |
| 15:00.55 | leoster | xoz, does it need any more options for example for permissons, etc. (mv * ..) |
| 15:00.58 | shingouz | !tell kamaraju about nicktab |
| 15:01.12 | bizkit | caphuso: my box has no dial up ip. i get the mails from a dial up |
| 15:01.16 | caphuso | bizkit: yes |
| 15:01.20 | roberto_ | -kmix been checked .it? ok. but noatun comes up playing mute. mp3 & wave |
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| 15:01.38 | caphuso | bizkit: now tell me, how do you plan on getting your hands on that dialup box to make it not send those mail |
| 15:01.44 | shingouz | picard: why the hell do you run sid if you are not able to fix minor problems with broken packages? you should be on etch or sarge in real life. install the package that is not automagically installing |
| 15:01.45 | caphuso | s |
| 15:02.08 | darxeth | why it tells me command not found when i type lynx? :( |
| 15:02.09 | FieldySnuts | !sidsmite picard |
| 15:02.10 | shingouz | kamaraju: did the stuff dpkg told you help? |
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| 15:02.23 | sametc | I'love you python:P |
| 15:02.27 | xoz | picard: dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/<libwxgtwhatever> |
| 15:02.28 | bizkit | caphuso: i'm thinking of a simple sender restriction in postfix, not in blacklisting any host, btw. i know blacklisting a dialup is senseless.. |
| 15:02.29 | paulswm | Heh, FieldySnuts, that's a good smite |
| 15:02.30 | Larz | i have question about the online install |
| 15:02.34 | picard | xoz: thanks |
| 15:02.37 | kamaraju | shingouz, yes it is helpful. But it appends a , instead of : |
| 15:02.39 | xoz | leoster: nope |
| 15:02.51 | caphuso | bizkit: again, how do you plan on getting your hands on the postfix configuration of that dialup box? |
| 15:02.57 | Larz | if i have a cable modem, can I still do the online install??? |
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| 15:03.16 | shingouz | kamaraju: that is something you need to config in your client. the append character can be anything really, a comma is just as good as a colon |
| 15:03.20 | kamaraju | shingouz, I got it. It is the settings |
| 15:03.23 | bizkit | caphuso: there is a restriction to deny mails which go to a not existing user, where's on the other hand the one not allowing to get mails from outside with mydomain in sender? |
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| 15:03.27 | FieldySnuts | if you have a supported network card, sure. don't count on it if you've got it plugged in via usb |
| 15:03.30 | Meltac | hi folks |
| 15:03.38 | bizkit | caphuso: you don't understand me |
| 15:03.43 | Meltac | i have a big problem with debian |
| 15:03.43 | Larz | no its all ethernet based |
| 15:03.47 | Larz | through COX |
| 15:03.50 | caphuso | bizkit: ah, you want to restrict _receiving_ those mails? |
| 15:03.58 | bizkit | caphuso: yes, exactly |
| 15:03.59 | kamaraju | shingouz: wow! this nicktab feature is awesome. |
| 15:04.04 | FieldySnuts | Larz: as long as the installer can see your network card, then you'll be fine |
| 15:04.10 | FieldySnuts | !win kamaraju |
| 15:04.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, kamaraju! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:04.14 | caphuso | bizkit: 16:57 bizkit> hello, what is the ristriction for postfix to deny sending mails ... |
| 15:04.22 | Meltac | can anybody try to listen to my problem? |
| 15:04.30 | shingouz | kamaraju: the same feature you can find on bash and a few other places ;) |
| 15:04.32 | lewis | how do I force logrotate to run now? |
| 15:04.44 | FieldySnuts | Meltac: sure go for it, i might not know but someone else may know |
| 15:04.45 | lewis | (or more specifically, just apache's logrotate) |
| 15:04.46 | Larz | download webmin |
| 15:05.04 | FieldySnuts | friends don't let friends use wembin |
| 15:05.05 | FieldySnuts | webmin |
| 15:05.09 | Larz | then go to http://127.0.0.1(or your ip):10000 |
| 15:05.11 | bizkit | caphuso: ..."with "sender adresses" not existing on the OWN system?" |
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| 15:05.26 | bizkit | caphuso: i'm sorry about my english but i hope you understand now.. |
| 15:05.26 | paulswm | !tell Meltac about ask |
| 15:05.36 | Meltac | i rebooted my debian server from remote and when im trying to login it says "system bootup in progress - please wait |
| 15:05.37 | Blissex | Meltac: can you try to read this: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html on how to ask useful questions? :-) |
| 15:05.43 | FieldySnuts | even worse, using webmin without ssl. geez. |
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| 15:05.44 | Larz | i use it for my samba boz |
| 15:05.45 | caphuso | bizkit: yes, i do. can't help though, don't know enough postfix |
| 15:05.47 | Meltac | k |
| 15:05.52 | FieldySnuts | !hack webmin |
| 15:06.10 | paulswm | webmin si teh sux0r |
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| 15:06.45 | roberto_ | - Please be specific..what can i do to get audio sound? The music plays mute |
| 15:06.45 | Meltac | so i cant relogin to my server now |
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| 15:06.52 | Jester | X11 is teh sux0r too |
| 15:07.11 | bizkit | caphuso: another question is do you know how to completely block a certain host/ip for any service on my box? |
| 15:07.13 | ColonelKernel | roberto_, what sound card |
| 15:07.17 | FieldySnuts | this is what happens when you reboot remote servers, should have had a back up plan |
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| 15:07.23 | shingouz | Meltac: more information. log in with what? ssh? telnet? something else? |
| 15:07.28 | caphuso | bizkit: iptables |
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| 15:07.39 | roberto_ | kmix it? ok... via 8237 |
| 15:07.56 | roberto_ | ac97 audio controller |
| 15:08.02 | bizkit | caphuso: no way around iptables? |
| 15:08.03 | shingouz | Meltac: besides it sure looks like there is some problem with the boot process going on |
| 15:08.05 | xoz | bizkit: try guarddog |
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| 15:08.09 | FieldySnuts | "around"? |
| 15:08.14 | bizkit | without |
| 15:08.16 | shingouz | !tell roberto_ about ac79 |
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| 15:08.20 | caphuso | bizkit: uhm, use a 2.2 kernel and ipchains? |
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| 15:08.27 | jethro | hah |
| 15:08.27 | FieldySnuts | no, iptables IS the firewall (userspace interface to it anyway) |
| 15:08.47 | Meltac | @shingouz i try to connect with ssh |
| 15:09.05 | FieldySnuts | argh, convert is using 1.1GB memory converting th is stupid image to a different size |
| 15:09.09 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Funny. "backup". "plan". :P |
| 15:09.11 | Meltac | ive made an upgrade from woody to sarge and then i rebooted the machine |
| 15:09.29 | shingouz | Meltac: you have somehting odd going on with the boot process, you need to get your hands on the box. physically, not over the network |
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| 15:09.33 | xoz | bizkit: or man hosts.deny |
| 15:09.34 | FieldySnuts | remotely.. sorry, i don't have any sympathy |
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| 15:09.44 | Meltac | thats not possible |
| 15:09.50 | bizkit | xoz: thats what i thought of... but is it possible for all services? |
| 15:09.55 | Meltac | its a rented rootserver |
| 15:09.57 | bizkit | or just for rpc things? |
| 15:10.02 | shingouz | Meltac: another thing is that you only reboot the thing if you upgrade the kernel or hardware. |
| 15:10.10 | FieldySnuts | then they should help you, or if they won't, you really need to consider somebody else |
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| 15:10.17 | shingouz | Meltac: in that case you are fscked :( |
| 15:10.19 | Meltac | so it seems like i have to contact the support line, right? |
| 15:10.24 | Meltac | lol |
| 15:10.24 | paulswm | Yes! |
| 15:10.25 | shingouz | yes |
| 15:10.34 | Meltac | hmpf |
| 15:10.38 | xoz | bizkit: yeah. default all... then use hosts.allow for exceptions |
| 15:10.41 | Meltac | and now its weekend |
| 15:10.49 | darxeth | i have a big big problem with switching languages, i can only use english, i've done dpkg-reconfigure locales and dunno what else but i still cant write in other languages, can somebody help me please? |
| 15:10.52 | paulswm | No 24 hour support? |
| 15:10.59 | caphuso | bizkit: /etc/hosts.* works only for stuff with tcp wrapper support |
| 15:11.03 | FieldySnuts | servers have to be up 24 hours a day all year, if their support isn't, time to find someone else |
| 15:11.04 | xoz | bizkit: ALL: ALL in /etc/hosts.deny |
| 15:11.08 | Meltac | seems like not |
| 15:11.08 | shingouz | Meltac: that is the way things work out when you try to do remote upgrades without being absolutely sure the thing boots up |
| 15:11.12 | paulswm | !prize FieldySnuts |
| 15:11.20 | Meltac | hmm |
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| 15:11.30 | FieldySnuts | anyway done whining, just blows my mind the lack of common sense with so many "admins" |
| 15:11.39 | roberto_ | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8 237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 15:11.43 | shingouz | !beer FieldySnuts |
| 15:11.54 | FieldySnuts | that is really good stuff |
| 15:11.58 | shingouz | roberto_: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 15:11.59 | darxeth | haha |
| 15:12.01 | darxeth | indeed |
| 15:12.11 | roberto_ | no sorry |
| 15:12.12 | Meltac | the thing is the support line itself suggested me to do the upgrade |
| 15:12.24 | roberto_ | please say again |
| 15:12.26 | shingouz | Meltac: in that case use a big lart on them |
| 15:12.27 | FieldySnuts | find another hosting place with a clue, they don't have one |
| 15:12.28 | bizkit | xoz: funny.. |
| 15:12.33 | shingouz | !tell roberto_ about ac79 |
| 15:12.40 | Meltac | and i modified nothing on the server till it is up |
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| 15:12.44 | bizkit | caphuso: ok, thanks.. |
| 15:12.46 | shingouz | roberto_: dpkg just told you somehting. read it |
| 15:12.46 | darxeth | can somebody help me with adding languages to my debian plase? |
| 15:12.51 | Meltac | lart? |
| 15:12.55 | Meltac | whats a lart? |
| 15:12.57 | Meltac | im german |
| 15:12.58 | shingouz | !lart Meltac |
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| 15:12.59 | FieldySnuts | anyway if they can't or won't help you, you are completely screwed |
| 15:13.01 | jethro | ~wtf lart |
| 15:13.20 | Meltac | lol |
| 15:13.25 | shingouz | darxeth: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:13.47 | shingouz | Meltac: of course a hammer is not the only useable lart |
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| 15:14.03 | Oops | My cpu is Sempron 2200+ , Which lastet kernel should I choose ? |
| 15:14.10 | Meltac | what else? |
| 15:14.21 | shingouz | Meltac: anything that inflicts pain |
| 15:14.22 | TBBle | A twobyfour is also a popular choice. |
| 15:14.26 | Meltac | lol |
| 15:14.33 | shingouz | TBBle: clue-by-four |
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| 15:14.40 | TBBle | Indeed. |
| 15:14.48 | Meltac | so ill remember that when im calling support |
| 15:14.50 | samuel | can someone tell me where the menu files are kept of the Desktop->Preferences menu? in gnome 2.10 please? |
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| 15:15.13 | shingouz | Meltac: i hope they have support there instead of a helplessdesk |
| 15:15.16 | darxeth | shingouz i've done that before.. i added arabic for ar_SA.UTF-8 UTF-8 ... |
| 15:15.17 | Meltac | but anyway thx for help |
| 15:15.20 | Oops | hi, my cpu is Sempron 2200+ , Which lastet kernel should I choose ? |
| 15:15.24 | Meltac | lol |
| 15:15.25 | thb | Subversion question: why would the Subversion server at svn+ssh://alioth.debian.org/svn not acknowledge my correct username? My username on that server is "thb-guest", but the server insists on imputing to me the username "t" (which happens to be my username on my own local machine). I have tried setting and exporting $USER and $LOGNAME (although setting these should not be necessary). No luck. Please advise. |
| 15:15.26 | paulswm | !cluedrill Meltac |
| 15:15.29 | paulswm | :P |
| 15:15.33 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:15.34 | Meltac | cluedrill? |
| 15:15.45 | shingouz | Oops: we hard you the first time, you do not need to repeat |
| 15:15.45 | FieldySnuts | !clue Meltacs hosting company |
| 15:15.46 | Meltac | lol |
| 15:15.46 | darxeth | shingouz and the iso one too... but how can i write in arabic for example in the openoffice? |
| 15:15.49 | paulswm | Meltac: just kidding of course |
| 15:15.53 | Meltac | ok |
| 15:15.53 | greycat | Oops: k7 |
| 15:15.58 | Meltac | im out for now |
| 15:16.00 | Meltac | cu |
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| 15:16.16 | paulswm | See ya Meltac, sorry about your server |
| 15:16.18 | Oops | k7 |
| 15:16.19 | paulswm | :( |
| 15:16.19 | shingouz | darxeth: not the faintest clue. maybe you need to install some arabic version of OOo? |
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| 15:16.35 | Oops | greycat 2.6.12 ok? |
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| 15:16.55 | darxeth | shingouz what's OOo? and how can i get new fontes for arabic? |
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| 15:17.13 | shingouz | darxeth: OpenOffice.org |
| 15:17.16 | BleSS | a E1/T1 board allows connection with xDSL? |
| 15:17.28 | shingouz | BleSS: not that i know |
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| 15:17.54 | shingouz | darxeth: on the fonts issue i am totally out of my depth |
| 15:18.09 | darxeth | shingouz oh, ok, thanks dude ;> |
| 15:19.01 | shingouz | darxeth: check with apt-cache search if there is something with openoffice and arabic, i sure hope there is |
| 15:19.22 | darxeth | is'nt there any command or keyboard click like in windows to let me switch languages in debian? or maybe a languages bar like in windows too.. |
| 15:19.41 | darxeth | shingouz i'll try.. hold on |
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| 15:20.23 | TwoSchubert | heh, the SSL certificate for alioth.debian.org is out-of-date ;) |
| 15:20.30 | thb | It appears that no one here knows how to treat the subversion question right now. Thanks anyway. Signing off. |
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| 15:20.31 | [S][F]Era | If you use KDE, check out in Control Center |
| 15:20.34 | poco | hi |
| 15:21.01 | darxeth | shingouz how can i make this apt-cache thing to search for arabic fontes or something.. |
| 15:21.05 | poco | how could i switch to a sid version ? (i'm using an unstable on ppc) any url? |
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| 15:21.26 | shingouz | darxeth: just think of a suitable search pattern. |
| 15:21.30 | [S][F]Era | apt-cache search fonts | grep arabic |
| 15:21.37 | jonkri | how do i read a gz file? |
| 15:21.39 | kamaraju | poco: unstable is infacy sid |
| 15:21.41 | FieldySnuts | man gzip |
| 15:21.41 | shingouz | poco: unstable is sid and you should nto be using it |
| 15:21.44 | [bugi] | How can i get nvidia-kernel package for kernel 2.6.8? |
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| 15:21.51 | [S][F]Era | zcat file.gz |
| 15:21.54 | jonkri | thanks |
| 15:22.00 | wols_ | [bugi]: via apt-get as susual |
| 15:22.12 | shingouz | !tell [bugi] about nvidia oneliner |
| 15:22.24 | darxeth | shingouz hmm.. i typed search arabic and it showed me a lot of stuff.. i dont know which one of them is the proper one for me... :\ |
| 15:22.33 | [bugi] | wols_, but which repo? |
| 15:22.36 | [S][F]Era | apt-cache search fonts | grep arabic | more |
| 15:22.41 | shingouz | darxeth: you need to narrow it down a bit |
| 15:22.50 | wols_ | budluva: the same where you got your 2.6.8. kernel from |
| 15:22.52 | shingouz | [bugi]: did you read what dpkg tol you? |
| 15:22.53 | [S][F]Era | apt-cache show package_name |
| 15:22.53 | [bugi] | shingouz, i didnt get anything ;-) |
| 15:22.55 | darxeth | shingouz hmm... |
| 15:23.00 | darxeth | [S][F]Era thanks |
| 15:23.04 | wols_ | damn nick complete |
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| 15:23.20 | shingouz | !tell [bugi] about nvidia one liner |
| 15:23.27 | shingouz | [bugi]: now it should work |
| 15:23.40 | [bugi] | shingouz, yup |
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| 15:24.07 | darxeth | ok i've found this: xfonts-intl-arabic - International fonts for X -- Arabic, what should i do with that now? |
| 15:24.15 | [bugi] | shingouz, but i wanted a package like for 2.4.27 kernel |
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| 15:24.20 | shingouz | [bugi]: about the tabcomplete, you should really change your nick to something that begins with a real letter instead of one of those thingies you have now. pain in the ass to tabcomplete |
| 15:24.23 | simonrvn | darxeth: install it |
| 15:24.32 | [S][F]Era | apt-get install package_name |
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| 15:24.39 | shingouz | [bugi]: what do you mean a package? |
| 15:24.46 | [bugi] | shingouz, .*deb |
| 15:24.49 | darxeth | simonrvn by apt-get install? |
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| 15:24.54 | [S][F]Era | apt-get install xfonts-intl-arabic |
| 15:24.54 | [bugi] | *.deb |
| 15:24.58 | simonrvn | dark: why yes, of course |
| 15:25.05 | simonrvn | darxeth: why yes, of course |
| 15:25.12 | darxeth | i see |
| 15:25.14 | timo_ | how can i see if usb 2.0 is up and running? |
| 15:25.18 | shingouz | [bugi]: the nvidia one liner tells you how to install the stuff. nvidia does not have free software that could be installed in the kernel so you have to use some binary shit |
| 15:25.18 | simonrvn | dark: sorry (/me mumbles something nasty at xchat) |
| 15:25.25 | darxeth | should i write only what [S][F]Era said or the whole statement?? |
| 15:25.25 | Kepplar | is it good practice to put your zone files in /etc/bind or var? I know debian is set up for /etc/bind, but what do you use? |
| 15:25.31 | [bugi] | shingouz, i can install packages for 2.4.27 kernel |
| 15:25.34 | [S][F]Era | only mine |
| 15:25.44 | shingouz | [bugi]: then do so |
| 15:25.46 | [S][F]Era | apt-get -s install pkg_name |
| 15:25.47 | [bugi] | shingouz, i can download them via apt |
| 15:25.48 | simonrvn | darxeth: apt-get install <package name> - like s/he said |
| 15:25.51 | [S][F]Era | should test the install process |
| 15:25.51 | darxeth | [S][F]Era oh :$ thnx <3 |
| 15:25.55 | [S][F]Era | apt-get install pkg_name |
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| 15:26.01 | [S][F]Era | will install it |
| 15:26.02 | [bugi] | shingouz, but i use 2.6.8 kernel and i can't find those packages |
| 15:26.04 | TBBle | Kepplar: I keep authorative zones in /etc, and secondaries in /var. Just like Debian's set up to do. |
| 15:26.05 | shingouz | darxeth: man apt-get |
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| 15:26.09 | bisquit_ | "Transmit Error, TX status 90" |
| 15:26.11 | bisquit_ | I googled it, and found an answer related to my network adapter (3Com somethings), and I changed that. And even the other one. And modules accordingly. |
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| 15:26.26 | shingouz | [bugi]: i already told you how to install it. if you do not like the answer you cannot install them. sorry |
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| 15:26.50 | bisquit_ | And still it loses connection like 10 times a day, and the ISP checked the line and all and their end seems to be fine. Is there an easy solution? |
| 15:26.50 | [S][F]Era | HE |
| 15:26.53 | CYBER_DJOGDJA | gim |
| 15:27.02 | darxeth | damn i have to wait like 3 mins tell this apt-get update/upgrade thing fineshes :( |
| 15:27.03 | [bugi] | shingouz, thank you for your help but i know there is another (very simply) way :-) |
| 15:27.40 | shingouz | [bugi]: there are ways but the one i told you about is the debian way. if you have some other method to install them why the hell did you ask in the first place |
| 15:27.45 | FieldySnuts | !irritate SCO |
| 15:27.45 | dpkg | SCO: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
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| 15:27.53 | paulswm | What is with the sudden appearance of these stupid nicks with brakets and caps? |
| 15:27.53 | morphix | heh |
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| 15:27.59 | paulswm | brackets* |
| 15:28.00 | shingouz | paulswm: n00bs i guess |
| 15:28.16 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: influx of wankers from lamenets like dalnet and efnet and undernet |
| 15:28.37 | paulswm | shingouz: nah, n00b is no excuse for stupdi stuff like that, surely |
| 15:28.39 | morphix | is it just me or is cdrom support in Linux a bit tempramental |
| 15:28.48 | shingouz | ...maybe we should start using impossible to type nicks too.... |
| 15:28.49 | FieldySnuts | morphix: never had problems with it myself |
| 15:28.51 | simonrvn | o_O. just you |
| 15:28.54 | morphix | im having trouble mounting cd |
| 15:28.55 | dvs | morphix: just you |
| 15:28.59 | shingouz | paulswm: eedyots then? |
| 15:29.00 | punsad | I just upgraded from 2.4 kernel to 2.6. Install and reboot went okay... but... the 5GB free space on / is now gone; dmesg shows nothing unusual |
| 15:29.02 | FieldySnuts | !nickometer {#4[4]1]]4]1]IAMLEET]]]]]]] |
| 15:29.02 | dpkg | '{#4[4]1]]4]1]IAMLEET]]]]]]]' is 99.9941% lame, fieldysnuts |
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| 15:29.07 | paulswm | I've had no problem with ATAPI cdrom support in Linux |
| 15:29.09 | wols_ | amoronly burning stuff. ROM stuff behaves pretty well |
| 15:29.10 | morphix | i never seem to have luck in Linux with CDROMs |
| 15:29.32 | [bugi] | shingouz, pfff i asked about "Debian" way, installing drivers via apt _is_ a Debian way, right? So i asked about repo where can i get package including modules for kernel 2.6.8 not 2.4.27. |
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| 15:29.40 | morphix | granted, many of my cd's arent in the best of shape |
| 15:29.47 | punsad | running du -hs */ in the root dir to see which directory is the prob |
| 15:29.47 | morphix | but windows still manages to read them |
| 15:29.56 | shingouz | [bugi]: and i told you how to do it already. want me to tell it again? |
| 15:29.57 | bisquit__ | Whee, isn't this fun! (No it isn't) |
| 15:30.04 | darxeth | i've downloaded a .zip file from my email, can i open it? i thing it's hidden because it's suppose to be in the desktop but i cant see it... |
| 15:30.06 | bisquit__ | I don't even know if my question(s) got through or not :P |
| 15:30.18 | paulswm | shingouz: I guess the semantics don't matter really. They're just *here* :( |
| 15:30.22 | [bugi] | shingouz, i asked about repo not different way |
| 15:30.24 | shingouz | darxeth: unzip. you may have to install it though |
| 15:30.24 | punsad | darxeth: apt-get install unzip |
| 15:30.41 | portahex | [bugi], apt-get install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia. any other method is stupid. |
| 15:30.46 | wols_ | [bugi]: http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 15:30.52 | darxeth | hmm.. i see |
| 15:31.00 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Yeah, you're prolly right :( |
| 15:31.00 | shingouz | [bugi]: dammit, stop whining. if you know of another way to install the nvidia do so. dpkg told you how to do it already |
| 15:31.11 | punsad | darxeth then just : unzip filename |
| 15:31.26 | shingouz | paulswm: yes they are and i am seriously tempted to add to the ignore list already ;) |
| 15:31.31 | paulswm | !beer shingouz |
| 15:31.35 | [bugi] | portahex, simple != stupid |
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| 15:32.00 | [bugi] | shingouz, im not whining im asking, if you dont know the answer then dont answer |
| 15:32.08 | shingouz | [bugi]: three times now i think. |
| 15:32.39 | portahex | [bugi], anciliary repositories do not come with security updates, and are updated on a whim. the m-a method ensures that if there's a kernel update, you have a new nvidia module in seconds, not in weeks when the alternative repo maintainer gets back from holiday |
| 15:32.39 | paulswm | [bugi]: you already have the answer, it isn't going to change because you ask again. |
| 15:32.46 | shingouz | [bugi]: the answer you want does not exist. |
| 15:32.51 | FieldySnuts | !be a repeating barbie |
| 15:32.52 | dpkg | Aww, repeating is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 15:32.56 | OldakQuill | Are there known issues with Firefox on Debian? |
| 15:33.07 | paulswm | !what's really annoying |
| 15:33.07 | dpkg | repeating |
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| 15:33.13 | shingouz | OldakQuill: yes, it runs nicely :) |
| 15:33.13 | kazim | hi |
| 15:33.13 | FieldySnuts | OldakQuill: you might want to ask the bts |
| 15:33.22 | portahex | [bugi], perhaps you missed the massive number of bug reports against the prebuilt modules, which were always a step bebhind tghe current kernels. unresolved symbols apleanty. i thought ALL modules had been removed, including the 2.4 ones |
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| 15:33.39 | kazim | anyone know a gui name like swfa or something simple gui ? |
| 15:33.58 | shingouz | kazim: icewm? xfce? blackbox? |
| 15:34.06 | christor | Hello I m searchin someone who could help me on a sendmail server?? |
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| 15:34.11 | kazim | xfce perhaps |
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| 15:34.13 | OldakQuill | It simply doesn't seem to open - the busy symbol comes up and nothing is produced |
| 15:34.14 | FieldySnuts | ask sendmail, they support it |
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| 15:34.23 | FieldySnuts | splat |
| 15:34.24 | kazim | shingouz: you have an advice for a goos imple interface ? |
| 15:34.40 | shingouz | kazim: i already told you about three |
| 15:34.43 | christor | FieldySnuts: yes but there are not a lot of person in the support sendmail currently connected |
| 15:34.49 | [bugi] | portahex, my way works perfect in Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is Debian, so? |
| 15:35.02 | FieldySnuts | christor: shrug. doesn't make this the support channel, you can try but good luck |
| 15:35.03 | jethro | !ubuntusmite [bugi] |
| 15:35.07 | shingouz | [bugi]: ubuntu is ubuntu and definitely not debian |
| 15:35.19 | FieldySnuts | man not this again |
| 15:35.20 | morphix | how do i mount a cdrom? is it mount /dev/htdc ? |
| 15:35.21 | portahex | [bugi], you seem to ave a fundemental misunderstanding of what ubuntu and debian are, if you believe that |
| 15:35.26 | kazim | shingouz: thw have look the site it's not the one i mean but thaxanyway |
| 15:35.29 | paulswm | !tell [bugi] about ubuntu |
| 15:35.29 | OldakQuill | Ubuntu is the bastard child of Debian |
| 15:35.41 | FieldySnuts | you've all wasted enough time on him anyway, just stop. |
| 15:35.48 | wols_ | morphix: depends hoe you connected your CDROM, to which IDE channel |
| 15:36.04 | shingouz | ignore is a sweet feature, makes odd things go away :) |
| 15:36.06 | morphix | wols: oh |
| 15:36.12 | morphix | wols: i have no clue :( |
| 15:36.16 | paulswm | FieldySnuts has the best plan. |
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| 15:36.28 | wols_ | morphix: dmesg will give you a clue. |
| 15:36.38 | morphix | wols: in Konqueror it says Hard Disc hdc /media/cdrom0 |
| 15:36.41 | paulswm | shingouz: I'm odd, don't ignore me :( |
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| 15:36.47 | wols_ | morphix: or you could just try hda to hdd one by one. one of them should work |
| 15:36.55 | shingouz | paulswm: you are not odd enough to be ignored |
| 15:37.00 | bisquit | Ok. So, my connection been jumping up and down like every 2-5 minutes. ISP says everything seems ok from their end, so it should be my computer. And I googled the "Transmit error, TX status 90" and got something related to my network-cards. (3Com) |
| 15:37.02 | morphix | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 15:37.11 | paulswm | Then I am failing in my mission. |
| 15:37.18 | bisquit | I changed them, and the modules respectfully, but it didn't solve the problem. |
| 15:37.19 | [bugi] | Pff right, now i know why it took about 3 years to release sarge. Debian community is "difficult". "Do what we want or die!" "Don't tell us about Ubuntu because it is a devil!". Right... |
| 15:37.25 | FieldySnuts | @troll [bugi] |
| 15:37.28 | shingouz | paulswm: i outweird you :) |
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| 15:37.40 | bisquit | Any helpful suggestions? |
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| 15:37.48 | simonrvn | i outweird the both of you combined ;) |
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| 15:37.56 | wdh | hi ppls.. im looking for a simple app that allows me to keep track of my internet-traffic.. anyone knows something good/simple? |
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| 15:38.05 | portahex | [bugi], i'm running ubuntu on this laptop. |
| 15:38.07 | paulswm | shingouz: my mind boggles :) |
| 15:38.07 | simonrvn | bisquit: /join #ubuntu. you'll get better support for the distro you're running |
| 15:38.08 | FieldySnuts | ask for help in an unrelated channel and yes, their users will be annoyed. go figure. |
| 15:38.09 | Kraig | setxkbmap dvorak: Error loading new keyboard description | it used to work yesterday and the day before yesterday.... i can see dvorak in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/ any ideas? |
| 15:38.16 | simonrvn | bisquit: oh sorry, wrong person |
| 15:38.17 | portahex | [bugi], but for example, i understand the difference |
| 15:38.20 | shingouz | bisquit_: 3com pcmcia? |
| 15:38.22 | Cyano-Mobile | whats a good DVD player for debian? |
| 15:38.32 | morphix | mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist |
| 15:38.39 | dvs | Cyano-Mobile: I like mplayer |
| 15:38.49 | shingouz | !tell Cyano-Mobile about marillat |
| 15:38.51 | simonrvn | AFK. later. don't feed the trolls ;) |
| 15:39.01 | FieldySnuts | !mhb |
| 15:39.09 | portahex | FieldySnuts, windows says that the hard disk i just put in hasn't been formatted! that disk has all my data on it! help! |
| 15:39.12 | shingouz | i would have to feed myself before i feed the trolls |
| 15:39.14 | [bugi] | portahex, i understand it too, i know that Ubuntu is Debian based, but it means it also should work in Debian what works in Ubuntu |
| 15:39.17 | FieldySnuts | portahex: no clue |
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| 15:39.28 | Kraig | wdh: something like iptraf ? |
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| 15:39.44 | wdh | Kraig, i'll check it out.. thx in advance |
| 15:39.47 | Kraig | wdh: or iftop ? |
| 15:39.53 | jethro | [bugi]: definitely not. |
| 15:39.58 | wols_ | or ipac-ng |
| 15:40.00 | paulswm | [bugi]: people have been good to you here and tried to help you. If your idea of appreciation is to criticize, then why should anyone continue to try to help. |
| 15:40.01 | kamaraju | [bugi]: No it does not mean that |
| 15:40.01 | shingouz | [bugi]: we have seen numerous times that i does not work as you think. install the nvidia whatever way you like and stop trolling please |
| 15:40.02 | samuel | is debian changing everything to sudo now? instead of su? |
| 15:40.10 | portahex | [bugi], ubuntu replaces debian's build process with a proprietary system named launchpad. if launchpad can auromate generation of kernel modules, then great |
| 15:40.25 | FieldySnuts | [bugi]: we see this over and over here. this is not #ubuntu, we don't support ubuntu. now we're getting really tired of this, go away already. |
| 15:40.42 | bisquit | shingouz, nope - plain PCI. |
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| 15:40.46 | shingouz | samuel: why do you think that would happen? because of what ubuntu does? |
| 15:40.46 | Kraig | besides setxkbmap is there another way to set my keyboard layout to dvorak? |
| 15:41.01 | paulswm | [bugi]: Suggest you install XP and go bother Microsoft. |
| 15:41.10 | shingouz | bisquit: lemmeguess.... 590? 509? |
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| 15:41.41 | bisquit | shingouz, exactly! :) How did you guess? |
| 15:42.10 | [bugi] | Yeah , great, if i only want to talk, _not trolling_ you call me troll. Just because i have another point of view. I'm not troll, trolls say stupid things without any sense. I have just another point of view and it seems to be very bad thing :-| |
| 15:42.19 | FieldySnuts | [bugi]: fuck off already. |
| 15:42.24 | jethro | !guidelines |
| 15:42.24 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't just repeat yourself; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 3) Read the FAQ and ask Google before asking us. 4) Reading technical documentation (man pages, info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots. See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or a web site, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 15:42.25 | bisquit | (But the problem seems to replicate itself even with different cards (RealTek), so I don't know if it's really the cards or not. But sure am open for suggestions!) |
| 15:42.27 | black13 | hows is the eth0 device setup via dhcp |
| 15:42.31 | jethro | [bugi]: ^^ |
| 15:42.35 | samuel | shingouz, no, i dont particularly like it, but ive noticed that there is now an authentication timeout like in ubuntu... |
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| 15:42.43 | portahex | [bugi], by using m-a, people who use custom kernels can trivially still use nvidia. |
| 15:42.43 | shingouz | bisquit: of course those two are totally different. in anycase some of the 3coms require you to tell what kind of a cable is connected. check the modinfo or man the driver |
| 15:42.52 | dvs | black13: easy |
| 15:42.53 | samuel | shingouz, so i figured that its sudo thats being used |
| 15:43.15 | black13 | dvs, first the module needs to be loaded correct? |
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| 15:43.18 | wdh | Kraig, iptraf seems to do the job.. lets see how to get that installed :) |
| 15:43.25 | dvs | black13: The NIC module, yes |
| 15:43.26 | [S][F]Era | dhclient -q eth0 |
| 15:43.30 | shingouz | bisquit: hmm... your hub? bad cabling? |
| 15:43.33 | Kraig | wdh: how about apt-get install ? :P |
| 15:43.34 | black13 | dvs, does debian have /etc/modules.conf |
| 15:43.49 | dvs | black13: It uses /etc/modules to load modules |
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| 15:44.02 | black13 | dvs, ok the module i am loading is pcnet32 |
| 15:44.13 | wdh | Kraig, lol.. my apt-cache search probably contained a typo :) |
| 15:44.18 | dvs | black13: So put that on a line by itself in /etc/modules |
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| 15:45.07 | samuel | shingouz, ok, nevermind on the sudo, i see that there is no timeout in sudoers, but then what is doing the authentication timeout? |
| 15:45.08 | bisquit | shingouz, the DSL-box is brand new and the ISP checked the connection and the box's log and everything seems to be ok. But yeah, apparently it's trying to be 100mbit fullduplex and that has known to cause problems. thanks. |
| 15:45.16 | black13 | dvs, what i am trying to figure is the bootscript for dhclient |
| 15:45.17 | samuel | shingouz, nautilus? |
| 15:45.20 | shingouz | samuel: su? |
| 15:45.25 | paulswm | shingouz: The problem with ignore is that I can't look away, it's like seeing a hideous monster, you want to run but you can't :) |
| 15:45.25 | dvs | black13: You don't need one. |
| 15:45.27 | [S][F]Era | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:45.38 | black13 | dvs, sorry you lost me |
| 15:45.41 | dvs | black13: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:45.41 | samuel | shingouz, su can do that? didnt know.... |
| 15:45.48 | [S][F]Era | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 15:45.55 | [bugi] | Yeah, great be offensive , this is just what i needed. Next step will be ban and kick. Great just great. This is enough for me. |
| 15:45.59 | [S][F]Era | Put that in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:46.07 | nomed^ | hi all |
| 15:46.08 | bisquit | Just umm. I need to figure out how tell the driver... but I'll see myself. Then ask if I can't. |
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| 15:46.13 | black13 | dvs, dont yet have a debian isntall ... i putting this inside a vm |
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| 15:46.29 | shingouz | bisquit: you need to configure the nic to be in 100m fullduplex too if the hub is doing that. i guess the problems are in that direction |
| 15:46.44 | bisquit | shingouz, I guess likewise. |
| 15:46.45 | nomed^ | i solved my problem .. i couldn't have any prompt .. no errors no black screen .. |
| 15:46.51 | FieldySnuts | life will probably be easier if you get a newer card which properly autonegotiates |
| 15:46.53 | shingouz | !nickometer [S][F]Era |
| 15:46.53 | dpkg | '[S][F]Era' is 77.000% lame, shingouz |
| 15:47.04 | dvs | black13: You just have to modify your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 15:47.12 | FieldySnuts | @nickometer ravenbird |
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| 15:47.16 | ravenbird | 'ravenbird' is 0.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 15:47.21 | dvs | liar! |
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| 15:47.39 | black13 | dvs, oh oh i see sorry, give me five i am build a new debian woody vm |
| 15:48.16 | nomed^ | if there is a string in fstab with sysfs noauto .. you will never have a prompt using udev .. i don't really know why and when i wrote noauto .. but never do that .. |
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| 15:48.37 | FieldySnuts | well yes. /sys won't be automatically mounted at boot. |
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| 15:49.03 | black13 | dvs, tell me something is there much difference between how this works between woody and etch? |
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| 15:49.22 | nomed^ | FieldySnuts, but don't you think this should be fixed .. just maybe with a warning during /etc/init.d/udev start .. |
| 15:49.30 | dvs | black13: no |
| 15:49.41 | black13 | dvs, good that is a good thing |
| 15:49.57 | shingouz | black13: you install woody now? why not sarge, sarge went stable a couple of weeks ago |
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| 15:50.04 | FieldySnuts | no clue |
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| 15:51.01 | black13 | shingouz, all i am inetersted in is how the bootscripts work |
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| 15:51.17 | shingouz | k |
| 15:51.57 | black13 | shingouz, but thanks ... the should be the same but the dhclient should essentiall be same correct |
| 15:52.19 | llx | I'm having difficulty with getting my touchpad to work in X. Would somebody please volunteer to help? |
| 15:52.20 | shingouz | black13: depends on the version of the dhclient |
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| 15:52.31 | shingouz | !tell lix about ask |
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| 15:52.50 | shingouz | !tell llx about ask |
| 15:53.02 | black13 | shingouz, and if i understand even though i install wood i can change sources.list and do apt-get upgrade and i would have sarge correct? |
| 15:53.28 | shingouz | black13: yes but it would be easier to just install sarge in the first place |
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| 15:53.38 | valdyn | !tell black13 about woody->sarge |
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| 15:53.50 | llx | shingouz, I don't have a specific question, unfortunately. I think I've checked everything. |
| 15:54.13 | valdyn | black13: a small problem w/ upgrading is that you easily miss new features that you do not know about and might be quite useful. |
| 15:54.22 | black13 | shingouz, its not a big deal this is a very small system |
| 15:54.30 | darxeth | i did apt-get install xfonts-intl-arabic and it told me xfonts-intl-arabic is already the newest version. |
| 15:54.38 | black13 | shingouz, its not a big deal very very few binaries |
| 15:54.47 | shingouz | llx: i am not going to start pulling information out of you with pliers. not that it would help a lot because i know nothing about synaptics, i use thinkpads |
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| 15:55.12 | valdyn | !synaptics |
| 15:55.12 | dpkg | from memory, synaptics is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 15:55.28 | sun_ | hi anyone know how to set all cookies to expire after,say, 3 days on firefox |
| 15:55.40 | darxeth | shingouz i did apt-get install xfonts-intl-arabic and it told me |
| 15:55.42 | darxeth | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.46 | dvs | sun_: Change the preferences |
| 15:55.58 | black13 | valdyn, ok i am convinced ill get sarge |
| 15:55.59 | shingouz | darxeth: you have them installed then |
| 15:56.01 | llx | dpkg, I've read over that info, but I'm still having problems. What I need is someone experienced that can help interpret the vagaries of the documentation. |
| 15:56.01 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, llx |
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| 15:56.03 | keraj | is there any guide about debian and linux virtaul machine? |
| 15:56.09 | black13 | shingouz, r. lee ermey |
| 15:56.11 | shingouz | dpkg: what are you |
| 15:56.11 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 15:56.23 | shingouz | llx: ^^^ |
| 15:56.33 | darxeth | shingouz sure.. but well.. can i write in arabic now in OOo? or see arabic fonts? |
| 15:56.45 | sun_ | dvs i cant find the preference for that... mine only says keep cookies "until they expire" or "until i close ff" or "ask everytime" |
| 15:57.04 | black13 | is there a net install of sarge? |
| 15:57.11 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 15:57.11 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 15:57.16 | valdyn | black13: yes |
| 15:57.33 | dvs | sun_: There is no "Cookie Policy Lifetime" group box? |
| 15:57.34 | shingouz | darxeth: i have no idea, did you try? if it works, all good; if not maybe it spits out somethign useful? |
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| 15:58.01 | black13 | sound off like you have a pair |
| 15:58.04 | sun_ | dvs i dont see it under preferences/privacy/cookies, do you? |
| 15:58.06 | darxeth | shingouz well the problem is that i dont know how to change from english to arabic in OOo or abiword or whatever... do you? |
| 15:58.10 | m4lu7 | Which do i want to use for streaming mp3 server: icecast-server or icecast2 package(s)? |
| 15:58.54 | llx | dpkg, shingouz: There is a five step troubleshooting checklist on web.telia.com, and I'm not sure I'm doing everything correctly, but I believe I am. |
| 15:58.54 | dpkg | llx: okay |
| 15:59.01 | dvs | sun_: Oh. I guess doesn't have it. Mozilla does. |
| 15:59.07 | shingouz | darxeth: no, sorry. the thing is that i do not speak arabic, korean, russian or any other language that needs some totally different fonts so i have never had to try to figure out how to do it |
| 15:59.11 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget There |
| 15:59.11 | dpkg | i forgot there, FieldySnuts |
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| 15:59.15 | dvs | sun_: Oh. I guess Firefox doesn't have it. Mozilla does. |
| 15:59.16 | Cyano-Mobile | after changing my screen size to 800 600 in xfree86 config it still looks like 640 480 does kde or kdm have screen size settings |
| 15:59.23 | darxeth | shingouz oh.. i see |
| 15:59.26 | FieldySnuts | !lart llx |
| 15:59.34 | shingouz | llx: ask the damn channel, man. i already told you i know nothing about touchpads |
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| 16:00.01 | _joey | renice my ass |
| 16:00.03 | darxeth | shingouz ok maybe you can help me searching for hebrew fonts now... |
| 16:00.07 | darxeth | Shay are you there?? |
| 16:00.33 | shingouz | darxeth: hehhee... hebrew is.. uhh... chinese to me :) |
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| 16:00.47 | Shay | darxeth, yup |
| 16:00.52 | _joey | it's like arabic |
| 16:00.57 | jetx | apt-cache search hebrew |
| 16:00.57 | _joey | sounds like it |
| 16:01.06 | _joey | apt-cache search jew |
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| 16:01.10 | Shay | darxeth, going to TAUSEC tomorrow? |
| 16:01.14 | darxeth | Shay how the hell did you get debian to write/read in hebrew? :(( |
| 16:01.24 | Shay | darxeth, apt-get install culmus |
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| 16:01.31 | jetx | apt-cache search hebrew turns up a lot |
| 16:01.32 | _joey | haha |
| 16:01.34 | darxeth | Shay wtf is culmus :D |
| 16:01.42 | _joey | 5 packages returned |
| 16:01.47 | Shay | darxeth, a virus |
| 16:01.52 | Shay | darxeth, apt-cache show culmus |
| 16:02.19 | _joey | :)) |
| 16:02.25 | darxeth | Shay the apt-cache shows you what exactly and where exactly? |
| 16:02.37 | llx | WTF? I tell the channel I have a problem, then I get two people that respond. I do my best to clarify, and then they both try to ignore me, and tell me to ask the channel? |
| 16:02.38 | Shay | darxeth, say what? |
| 16:02.38 | _joey | apt-cache search arse | wc -l returns 517 packages |
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| 16:02.48 | _joey | :) |
| 16:03.05 | Shay | darxeth, man apt-cache |
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| 16:03.12 | shingouz | darxeth, Shay: if you guys figure out how to solve that problem it sure sounds like a factoid to me.. boil the solution down to its essentials and tell dpkg about it |
| 16:03.24 | _joey | apt-cache search fuck returns libacme-brainfck-perl - Embed Brainf*ck in your perl code |
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| 16:03.27 | _joey | oh man |
| 16:03.32 | _joey | You've got to love debian |
| 16:03.47 | _joey | maybe it could a pussy too |
| 16:03.49 | shingouz | llx: you have not asked anything that can be answered. i know nothing about touchpads and dpkg is a bot |
| 16:03.49 | darxeth | hmmm |
| 16:03.52 | _joey | find* |
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| 16:03.57 | black13 | would debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.org be sarge |
| 16:03.58 | Shay | shingouz, well, the solution is apt-get install culmus |
| 16:04.00 | shingouz | _joey: you can stop now |
| 16:04.00 | darxeth | Shay how did you find this package? |
| 16:04.08 | dvs | black13: yes |
| 16:04.11 | paulswm | llx: One of the "people" you asked is a bot, as shingouz pointed out. Ask your specific debian question in channel. |
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| 16:04.20 | Shay | darxeth, IGLU documentation, Linux hebrew talks |
| 16:04.20 | _joey | How unfortunate |
| 16:04.23 | _joey | It didn't |
| 16:04.41 | dvs | llx: "Doesn't work" doesn't cut it. What is it doing? What did you do? |
| 16:04.46 | black13 | ok then boot up is different or seems to be very different from woody |
| 16:04.47 | shingouz | !tell _joey about sex |
| 16:04.58 | dvs | black13: New installer |
| 16:05.21 | llx | Ok thank you. I've tried working through the checklist on telia.com. I believe everything is working. Let me enumerate why: |
| 16:05.22 | darxeth | Shay and where did you find this IGLU documentation? |
| 16:05.31 | Shay | darxeth, http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/?file=133 |
| 16:05.37 | Shay | check the main faq |
| 16:05.42 | black13 | dvs, oh yeah i have installed this one ... what i have done is take debian etch and made a bootable cd which seems to work quite well |
| 16:05.53 | darxeth | Shay i'm just asking so i can dig my own way to other things |
| 16:05.55 | _joey | !toss strawberry flavoured condom to shingouz |
| 16:05.58 | black13 | dvs, except when it comes to networking |
| 16:06.18 | Shay | darxeth, http://iglu.org.il/faq/cache/8.html |
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| 16:06.31 | Shay | darxeth, there's all you need to know about hebrew on Linux in general |
| 16:06.51 | Shay | darxeth, for the layout, there's a nice applet in Gnome for chaging them |
| 16:07.01 | _joey | how many letters are in Hebrew alphabet ? |
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| 16:07.14 | darxeth | Shay and how can you get OOo or abiword to write in hebrew? or switching languages in general? |
| 16:07.31 | Shay | darxeth, read what I just wrote |
| 16:07.33 | black13 | dvs, i have added xorg and sdl they seem to work very well |
| 16:07.42 | Lego | Why oh why does redhat 6.2 pick up my xircom pcmcia network card in a laptop .. but woody does not . |
| 16:07.47 | llx | 1. Check that kernel detects touchpad. /proc/bus/input/devices says I have a SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad. |
| 16:07.52 | Shay | _joey, wait, let me see |
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| 16:08.05 | jamsi | strange |
| 16:08.26 | portahex | jamsi, and sarge? |
| 16:08.38 | jamsi | sarge I did not try |
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| 16:08.47 | Shay | _joey, 25 |
| 16:08.49 | jamsi | I did the good ole 20disk install |
| 16:08.51 | llx | 2. Check that an external PS/2 mouse isn't causing problems. I don't have an external mouse in use. |
| 16:08.54 | jamsi | no CD rom in this laptop |
| 16:08.55 | _joey | That's okay |
| 16:09.17 | jamsi | Trying to get network going |
| 16:09.17 | jamsi | but the card isn |
| 16:09.17 | _joey | It must difficult to type in Chinese |
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| 16:09.35 | darxeth | Shay i know, sorry for my impatient but within few minutes i have to go to where i study (in tsaf) so i really have little time now to read this in addition to other things! if you can tell me now how can i write in hebrew in OOo or abiword you really save me a lot of pain... |
| 16:09.38 | emRick | what speech sythesis package do you like most? |
| 16:09.48 | Shay | _joey, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/hebrewc.gif |
| 16:09.54 | jamsi | isn't supported. Only way I can see, is to recompile kernel. One problem, no kernel src on the laptop and no gcc, make packages etc. I am NOT spending all night transfering these by disk :P |
| 16:10.06 | llx | 3. Check if some other program is using the /dev/psaux device. Documentation says this is an issue only for 2.4 kernel. I'm trying to set this up under 2.6.8. |
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| 16:10.27 | Shay | darxeth, man, read, you just need to activate that little applet in the gnome bar |
| 16:10.31 | jamsi | any ideas portahex |
| 16:10.38 | dvs | llx: Have you tried /dev/input/mice? |
| 16:10.50 | Shay | darxeth, or going to the languages configuration in KDE, I don't know because I don't use KDE |
| 16:10.53 | joeljkp | stepping back from debian for a moment, what do you guys consider the most elegant OS out there, technically? |
| 16:10.56 | llx | dvs: what do you mean by that? |
| 16:10.57 | Ether_Man | Depends what you mean by that.. You can write using romaji fairly easy.. or using a romaji->kanji converter.. |
| 16:10.59 | portahex | jamsi, no cunning ideas, i don't deal with pre-sarge |
| 16:11.03 | portahex | joeljkp, beos! |
| 16:11.05 | jamsi | I see |
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| 16:11.07 | dvs | llx: instead of /dev/psaux |
| 16:11.08 | Ether_Man | to _joey ^_^; |
| 16:11.19 | jamsi | sarge can do network install? Via HTTP or something yes? |
| 16:11.20 | darxeth | Shay man, do i really have to log out and change that little gnome thing and then log in again to just be able to write in hebrew? in windows it's just alt+shift :( |
| 16:11.24 | portahex | jamsi, yes |
| 16:11.29 | joeljkp | portahex: beos? why? |
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| 16:11.31 | _joey | I read somewhere that there only 10 letters in Hawaiin alphabet |
| 16:11.38 | Shay | darxeth, in gnome/kde it's a click |
| 16:11.40 | Shay | that's all |
| 16:11.46 | jamsi | portahex, any way to see what network cards the bootdisk supports? |
| 16:11.47 | paulswm | jamsi: Go to the sarge install page and read the docs |
| 16:11.49 | Shay | darxeth, with desktop enviroment are you using? |
| 16:11.50 | _joey | How could you possibly write anything using 10 letters |
| 16:11.56 | portahex | joeljkp, because it presented an incredibly responsive, desktop os that does things even a bleeding edge pc can't do today |
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| 16:12.04 | paulswm | jamsi: It will support most if not all etherenet nics |
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| 16:12.06 | llx | dvs: I set X up to work with /dev/psaux ? |
| 16:12.07 | portahex | jamsi, not that i know of |
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| 16:12.15 | joeljkp | portahex: what's the best current development of it? |
| 16:12.16 | Nagytalop | re |
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| 16:12.20 | darxeth | Shay but i have to log out first. right? |
| 16:12.23 | joeljkp | portahex: or was pe5 the best |
| 16:12.25 | _joey | Probably a combincation of letters to compensate for various sounds |
| 16:12.27 | Shay | darxeth, no |
| 16:12.27 | portahex | joeljkp, none in a usable state |
| 16:12.31 | dvs | llx: If /dev/psaux doesn't work, try /dev/input/mice |
| 16:12.38 | portahex | joeljkp, i hear the haiku os people are progressing fast though |
| 16:12.39 | Ether_Man | _joey: their words are quite a bit longer than english words.. |
| 16:12.40 | samuel | anyone know how to access winpopup from linux? as in send messages? i dont want linpopup |
| 16:12.50 | dvs | llx: That's the recommended port for 2.6 |
| 16:12.52 | Nagytalop | use anybody aMule? |
| 16:12.55 | FieldySnuts | man smbclient |
| 16:12.55 | Shay | darxeth, answer to the question, and I'll try to find the dummy way to configure they keyboard layouts |
| 16:13.00 | valdyn | samuel: man net |
| 16:13.09 | samuel | valdyn, thx |
| 16:13.16 | jamsi | paulswm, this the net-drivers.img ? |
| 16:13.24 | llx | dvs: how would I make that change? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 16:13.32 | paulswm | !tell jamsi about d-i |
| 16:13.35 | dvs | llx: Yup |
| 16:14.16 | darxeth | Shay are you gonna ask? |
| 16:14.23 | llx | okay. I will try that. I want to continue with the checklist, though because everything still checks against the docs... |
| 16:14.23 | Voodoo-Child | anyone know If there are a text based emule client for linux? I know this is a debian channel but you're also linux users |
| 16:14.40 | Shay | 19:11 < Shay> darxeth, with desktop enviroment are you using? |
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| 16:14.56 | Nagytalop | Voodoo-Child: apt-cache search edonkey |
| 16:15.52 | Nagytalop | im finf one two days before |
| 16:15.52 | Nagytalop | d |
| 16:16.01 | llx | 4. Check that the evdev kernel driver is available. I'm getting the following line, which the docs say is okay: H: Handlers=ts0 mouse0 event1 |
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| 16:16.39 | darxeth | Shay kde |
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| 16:18.03 | llx | 5. Check that the synaptics driver is properly loaded by the X server. My XFree86.log file says that the synaptics module is being loaded. |
| 16:18.13 | darxeth | Shay is'nt that what you meant? |
| 16:18.22 | Shay | darxeth, sec |
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| 16:18.29 | Nagytalop | i donno why not refresh amule my sharing list in debian... |
| 16:18.35 | Shay | darxeth, http://www.startcom.org/docs/en/Configure%20Keyboard%20Hebrew%20Input/kde_hebrew.html |
| 16:18.37 | Nagytalop | anybody can help? |
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| 16:18.44 | Shay | that's exactly what you need (dummy mode) |
| 16:18.54 | darxeth | Shay thanks |
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| 16:19.13 | Shay | darxeth, np, good luck |
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| 16:19.36 | llx | I did have to manually add some things to my XF86Config-4 file that the packages didn't setup. |
| 16:19.54 | llx | I don't know if this is by design or not. |
| 16:20.01 | dvs | llx: Then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 won't work |
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| 16:20.28 | Shay | dpkg, hebrew is to install hebrew fonts in debian: apt-get install culmus |
| 16:20.28 | dpkg | ...but hebrew is already something else... |
| 16:20.29 | Voodoo-Child | Nagylatop, It seems that amule was removed from debian's mirrors |
| 16:20.35 | Shay | !hebrew |
| 16:20.35 | dpkg | somebody said hebrew was a stupid language that has way too many rules A very beautiful language. awesome, or an amazing language |
| 16:20.38 | llx | dvs: Specifically, I mean the synaptics drivers. |
| 16:20.45 | Shay | wtf |
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| 16:20.49 | Shay | dpkg, forget about hebrew |
| 16:20.49 | dpkg | Shay: i didn't have anything called 'about hebrew' to forget |
| 16:20.55 | Shay | dpkg, forget hebrew |
| 16:20.55 | dpkg | Shay: i forgot hebrew |
| 16:20.59 | Shay | dpkg, hebrew is to install hebrew fonts in debian: apt-get install culmus |
| 16:20.59 | dpkg | Shay: okay |
| 16:21.18 | dvs | llx: Doesn't matter. If you changed the XF86Config-4 file manually, you can't use dpkg-reconfigure to change it anymore |
| 16:21.38 | llx | dvs, that sucks. |
| 16:21.43 | FieldySnuts | !user error |
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| 16:22.15 | fffffh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.24 | keraj | is there any guide about debian and linux virtaul machine? |
| 16:22.26 | Shay | dpkg, hebrew is also check out http://iglu.org.il/faq/cache/8.html |
| 16:22.26 | dpkg | Shay: okay |
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| 16:22.46 | darxeth | Shay omg i didnt expect it to be that easy :| |
| 16:23.00 | Shay | darxeth, ... |
| 16:23.02 | darxeth | Shay it must be other way that harder than this :P |
| 16:23.04 | Cyano-Mobile | after changing my screen size to 800 600 in xfree86 config it still looks like 640 480 does kde or kdm have screen size settings that I can change |
| 16:23.43 | darxeth | Shay but really thanks for this easy fast way since i'm in a hurry right now |
| 16:24.11 | Shay | darxeth, np |
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| 16:25.56 | llx | One other thing: The "compiled for" version is different for the X versions. Is it a requirement that they are the same? |
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| 16:27.44 | darxeth | k peace everyone. |
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| 16:29.01 | chr1s | hey everyone :) |
| 16:29.22 | chr1s | is it possible to ssh to a machine and then execute a command like mutt? |
| 16:29.40 | koollman | chr1s: yes |
| 16:29.40 | sussudio | in soviet russia, mutt executes you |
| 16:29.41 | chr1s | I know it works for commands like cp |
| 16:29.55 | koollman | chr1s: ssh machine -t mutt |
| 16:29.56 | chr1s | but I want to start a screen session |
| 16:30.04 | koollman | -t is for the tty |
| 16:30.13 | chr1s | ah, nice! |
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| 16:33.38 | radulovity | Hi! |
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| 16:33.55 | radulovity | i have problem with tc QoS on sarge, kernel 2.6.9 |
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| 16:34.04 | radulovity | i hawe receive messages like ... |
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| 16:34.29 | radulovity | sentinel:~# /sbin/tc qdisc del dev eth1 root |
| 16:34.29 | radulovity | RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted |
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| 16:34.40 | radulovity | need help, what is wrong? |
| 16:34.49 | caphuso | radulovity: be root |
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| 16:35.03 | radulovity | caphuso: ??? |
| 16:35.16 | caphuso | radulovity: !!! |
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| 16:35.26 | bob2 | but his/her prompt is #! |
| 16:35.27 | radulovity | caphuso: why reboot? |
| 16:35.33 | ColonelKernel | what application will allow me to watch tv in console mode using ascii |
| 16:35.35 | caphuso | ARGH |
| 16:35.37 | bob2 | if you don't assume they're root, you'll get flamed by idiots like paul |
| 16:35.40 | caphuso | i'm out |
| 16:35.48 | bob2 | radulovity: dude |
| 16:35.50 | caphuso | this would be painful |
| 16:35.55 | bob2 | radulovity: read what he said again, slowly |
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| 16:36.13 | radulovity | caphuso: tnx :) |
| 16:36.26 | caphuso | ColonelKernel: mplayer |
| 16:36.45 | ColonelKernel | im trying to figure it out - how do I make mplayer read from my tv card? |
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| 16:36.59 | llx | dvs, any final thoughts? |
| 16:37.21 | caphuso | ColonelKernel: by reading the docs |
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| 16:37.27 | ColonelKernel | doing so now |
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| 16:37.58 | caphuso | it involves the -tv option and the tv:// pseudo URL |
| 16:37.59 | radulovity | again ... |
| 16:38.14 | radulovity | sentinel:~# whoami |
| 16:38.15 | radulovity | root |
| 16:38.15 | radulovity | sentinel:~# /sbin/tc qdisc del dev eth1 root |
| 16:38.15 | radulovity | RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted |
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| 16:38.25 | radulovity | sorry .... |
| 16:38.38 | radulovity | what is wrong? |
| 16:38.57 | radulovity | im root, QoS in kernel, iproute2 from source, but nothig ... |
| 16:39.03 | bob2 | haha source |
| 16:39.15 | radulovity | bob2: why? |
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| 16:39.24 | radulovity | the same is with sage ... |
| 16:39.24 | dvs | llx: nope |
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| 16:39.36 | bob2 | radulovity: what does "uname -r" print? |
| 16:40.06 | radulovity | 2.6.9 ... |
| 16:40.24 | llx | dvs, does it sound like a bug, or something I'm doing wrong? |
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| 16:40.33 | rikva | Does anyone know why Google maps doesn't work in Debian with Firefox? All maps stay grey. |
| 16:40.39 | bob2 | radulovity: you're using your own kernel then |
| 16:40.43 | bob2 | which I suspect is the problem |
| 16:41.08 | rutski89 | Hello, I just did "apt-get build-dep vlc" without knowing what it was |
| 16:41.15 | radulovity | bob2: im compile this kernel ... not from debian ... but this MUSS working on other kernel versions .... |
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| 16:41.19 | radulovity | or? |
| 16:41.25 | rutski89 | Now I know what it is, and I've got a whole mess of un-need stuff, can i get rid of ti? |
| 16:41.43 | bob2 | radulovity: apt-cache showsrc vlc, remove things from the build-depends line |
| 16:41.45 | bob2 | rutski89: ^ |
| 16:41.49 | aedwards | Folks, how does one redetect a scsi device...I have a tape drive that was turned off and I need to detect. Prior to that the device was list as /dev/st0 |
| 16:41.56 | bob2 | rutski89: in future, using aptitude means all this would be logged somewhere |
| 16:42.04 | rutski89 | ahh |
| 16:42.05 | rutski89 | ty |
| 16:42.22 | caphuso | yeah, 'cause aptitude build-dep works so well |
| 16:42.38 | shingouz | aedwards: scsitools i think was the name of the package, there is something called rescan-scsibus |
| 16:42.42 | bob2 | hm, my mistake |
| 16:43.02 | radulovity | bob2: i dont have this in my source.list |
| 16:43.09 | radulovity | i think deb-src ... |
| 16:43.11 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 16:43.13 | bob2 | no |
| 16:43.27 | Jester | Does anyone know of a debian installation cd that includes dmraid ? (to support bios based software raids such as nforce3) |
| 16:43.38 | radulovity | bob2: i am sorry but i dont understund you .... |
| 16:43.47 | bob2 | radulovity: you're using your own kernel |
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| 16:43.53 | bob2 | radulovity: which I'm almost certain is fucked |
| 16:43.56 | radulovity | bob2: trus ... |
| 16:43.57 | dvs | llx: Just dont' use the /dev/psaux device for 2.6 |
| 16:44.04 | radulovity | bob2: understand ... |
| 16:44.04 | bob2 | if you can reproduce it with a Debian kernel, I'll try to help you more |
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| 16:44.31 | radulovity | bob2: ok, so, you wont thet i boot with my default debian kernel? |
| 16:44.46 | llx | ok |
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| 16:45.18 | aedwards | shingouz I tried that tool but it does not pick up the full device info and does not set /dev/st0. How can I tell if it created a device? |
| 16:45.59 | shingouz | aedwards: lemmeguess, you have udev there? if you have i am totally clueless, sorry |
| 16:45.59 | radulovity | aedwards: cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV st0 |
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| 16:46.03 | sanxiyn | Hm, typing "apt-get install cruft" feels so strange. |
| 16:46.24 | radulovity | sanxiyn: :) |
| 16:46.38 | sanxiyn | Installing "cruft"... well, to get rid of crufts. |
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| 16:49.06 | joaquinz | hi, does anybody know how to deactivate the hardware autodetection system in debian? |
| 16:49.13 | joaquinz | how is it called the init.d script? |
| 16:49.19 | shingouz | joaquinz: remove discover |
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| 16:49.32 | joaquinz | shingouz: ok thx u |
| 16:50.13 | aedwards | if I do a scsiadd or scsiinfo I see the device is detected...how do it map it to /dev/st0? |
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| 16:52.29 | joaquinz | hi again, does anybody know if xfce 4.2 is in the debian apt-repository? |
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| 16:52.39 | dvs | !find xfce |
| 16:52.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xfce' (15 of 35): gtk2-engines-xfce ;; libxfce4mcs-client-1 ;; libxfce4mcs-dev ;; libxfce4mcs-manager-1 ;; libxfce4util-1 ;; libxfce4util-dev ;; libxfcegui4-1 ;; libxfcegui4-dev ;; xfce4 ;; xfce4-artwork ;; xfce4-battery-plugin ;; xfce4-clipman-plugin ;; xfce4-datetime-plugin ;; xfce4-diskperf-plugin ;; xfce4-goodies. |
| 16:52.43 | K_Dallas | after adding a user to certain groups, what should i do to update the user/group list? Thanks |
| 16:52.56 | dvs | !info xfce4 |
| 16:52.59 | bob2 | K_Dallas: log out |
| 16:53.01 | greycat | K_Dallas: logout and back in |
| 16:53.02 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 16:53.16 | K_Dallas | nothing easier than that? |
| 16:53.16 | dvs | joaquinz: nope |
| 16:53.20 | shingouz | joaquinz: what version of debian you run there? |
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| 16:53.28 | joaquinz | shingouz : sarge |
| 16:53.29 | joaquinz | but its ok |
| 16:53.40 | shingouz | definitely not in sarge |
| 16:53.41 | joaquinz | i will search the repository i used before |
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| 16:53.56 | joaquinz | thx u guys |
| 16:54.03 | radulovity | i am back .... |
| 16:54.05 | fontinele | hey, my video board is SiS... in Conectiva and Suse i have played SuperTux very well, but, in debian its too slow... what can i do? |
| 16:54.06 | mrwill | how do I find/remove files that do not belong to any package? |
| 16:54.16 | radulovity | i hawe how same error messages ... |
| 16:54.31 | radulovity | bob2: can you help me now? |
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| 16:54.47 | shingouz | mrwill: what do you mean? in your home directory? |
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| 16:55.32 | mrwill | shingouz: no. I have installed some software that I built from source, but I'd like to remove it, because it is outside the packaging system. |
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| 16:56.10 | black13 | dvs, my battery ran out |
| 16:56.24 | shingouz | mrwill: should teach you not ot build from source. you needt o figure it out yourself, check the makefiles if they have something that would clue you as to where the files got installed |
| 16:56.37 | black13 | dvs, i cant back read ,,, you had mentioned about networking setup |
| 16:56.45 | kelan | make a list of all files on your system. then use dpkg -L to create a list of all files that come from packages. any files in the first list but not the second are what you want |
| 16:56.51 | mrwill | shingouz: that's a terrible answer. |
| 16:57.04 | shingouz | mrwill: i know but that is about the size of it |
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| 16:58.32 | adamx | you can also try a make uninstall, it works some cases |
| 16:58.39 | black13 | ok it was interfaces |
| 16:58.40 | kelan | the first list can be made pretty easy using find |
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| 16:59.22 | sanxiyn | Hm, is "finding cruft" is being discussed? |
| 16:59.36 | sanxiyn | For diff of find / and dpkg -L, see cruft package. |
| 16:59.37 | sanxiyn | !info cruft |
| 16:59.39 | dpkg | cruft: (Find any cruft built up on your system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.9.6-0.4 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 16:59.44 | wols_ | mrwill: have you looked in /usr/local? |
| 17:00.11 | MasterChief | I'm am trying to setup a server and I have a problem, I want to jail a user to a sub dirctory like htdocs/user but I can figure out how, I have been looking for days now. I know it is called chroot but I don't know hhow to do it. I am using apache 2 and proftpd. I already askes around at #apache but no talks over there. |
| 17:00.24 | black13 | /etc/network/interfaces contains network configurations ... for ifup and ifdown |
| 17:00.38 | tictac | damn it. |
| 17:00.43 | mrwill | wols_: it's not in /usr/local, unfortunately. |
| 17:01.26 | black13 | how does the process start? |
| 17:01.43 | shingouz | mrwill: first check the makefile of the app you installed and go from there. maybe the author was considerate enough to include an uninstall target too |
| 17:01.43 | radulovity | also, tc with generic kernel and with compileg 2.6.9 will not working |
| 17:02.00 | radulovity | sentinel:~# /sbin/tc qdisc add dev eth1 root handle 1 htb default 5000 |
| 17:02.00 | radulovity | RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted |
| 17:02.06 | sanxiyn | If you want better "make uninstall", try checkinstall. |
| 17:02.09 | radulovity | can help me anybody |
| 17:02.10 | sanxiyn | !info checkinstall |
| 17:02.13 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 17:02.13 | radulovity | what is wrong? |
| 17:02.15 | black13 | /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 17:02.17 | MasterChief | Can anyone help me here? |
| 17:02.19 | trave11er | mrwill: you can also run make -n install > log 2>&1 and check the log for install locations |
| 17:02.32 | Pingu12- | which HARD_SERVER_LIMIT has apache2-mpm-prefork ? |
| 17:02.33 | greycat | !tell MasterChief about guidelines |
| 17:02.33 | sanxiyn | trave11er: That's what checkinstall is doing, only better. :-) |
| 17:02.56 | trave11er | sanxiyn: well, as i understand, we are talking one-time-only thing here |
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| 17:03.13 | greycat | MasterChief: sounds like you want proftpd to chroot the user(s). Read the proftpd docs. |
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| 17:03.17 | mrwill | trave11er: now that is a nice little trick. |
| 17:03.37 | MasterChief | I did, I can't find what I am looking for, I also tried google. |
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| 17:04.13 | greycat | MasterChief: first google hit on "proftpd chroot" is http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Chroot.html |
| 17:04.16 | MasterChief | Proftpd docs only showed me how to chroot groups not users. |
| 17:04.21 | greycat | One of the most common questions for new users of ProFTPD is "How do I restrict my |
| 17:04.24 | greycat | ... or, phrased another way, "How can I put my users in a chroot jail? ... |
| 17:04.54 | adamx | using nautilus 2.10.1, can i open a folder using "Open with other application" eg. xterm? |
| 17:05.07 | radulovity | adamx: yes ... |
| 17:05.13 | adamx | how? |
| 17:05.30 | adamx | i tried, but it wont't start anything |
| 17:05.37 | radulovity | right mouse click on icon, then propertis, and ... |
| 17:05.53 | radulovity | check run in terminal ... |
| 17:06.08 | fontinele | hey, my video board is SiS... in Conectiva and Suse i have played SuperTux very well, but, in debian its too slow... what can i do? |
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| 17:06.47 | shingouz | fontinele: what driver you use? |
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| 17:07.18 | MasterChief | greycat: That link is confusing, I mean look at this line "This configuration directive may appear in the <VirtualHost>, <Global>, and the "server config" (meaning not in any <VirtualHost> or <Global> sections)" It jsut said it may appear here and in parrentheses it said it woun't? |
| 17:07.47 | greycat | MasterChief: server config means "not in virtualhost or global", then. |
| 17:08.41 | fontinele | shingouz, sis |
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| 17:09.10 | radulovity | use any tc? |
| 17:09.18 | MasterChief | Ok, well still that link still only shows how to do it for groups not members. |
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| 17:09.26 | MasterChief | Or users |
| 17:09.38 | black13 | dpkg -s should tell me what package installs /etc/interfaces? |
| 17:09.39 | dpkg | Package: should tell me what package installs /etc/interfaces: Status: install ok installed |
| 17:09.39 | shingouz | fontinele: does XFree have such a driver? damn |
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| 17:09.52 | bea_ | iam trying to install a modem driver... but when i compile the source I noticed that the file version.h is not present... I installed the kernel source... there are another packet that includes that file? |
| 17:09.59 | greycat | MasterChief: it's a fucking *example*. |
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| 17:10.00 | Sneg | I created another desktop using vncserver, and the fonts are almost unreadable in it, and they are the normal size on my :0 x desktop. How would i increase the font size on the vnc desktop? |
| 17:10.00 | black13 | dpkg -s interfaces |
| 17:10.02 | dpkg | Package: interfaces: Status: install ok installed |
| 17:10.12 | fontinele | shingouz, yes |
| 17:10.13 | radulovity | bea_: ls -la /usr/src |
| 17:10.20 | radulovity | bea_: what say ? |
| 17:10.37 | shingouz | fontinele: and you are sure you use it and that is the correct driver for your card? |
| 17:10.48 | MasterChief | greycat: Thats great but it still only shows how to do it for groups. |
| 17:10.56 | fontinele | shingouz, i have installed sis driver |
| 17:11.02 | smf68 | hi, i'm trying to run bind9 but i always get this error: "namednamed: capset failed: Operation not permitted" |
| 17:11.04 | greycat | MasterChief: so put them all in a fucking group and be done with it. |
| 17:11.05 | smf68 | can anybody help me? |
| 17:11.26 | shingouz | fontinele: is that driver the correct one for your card? |
| 17:11.34 | fontinele | shingouz, yes it is |
| 17:11.35 | bea_ | radulovity: the source is present is /usr/src/linux but the file version.h is not present |
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| 17:12.09 | shingouz | fontinele: do i really have to extract the information one yes/no answer at a time? |
| 17:12.10 | greycat | bea_: so it's an unconfigured source tree. USELESS. |
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| 17:12.21 | MasterChief | I don't want then to all have access to the same file just one user per file like user bob would get jailed to htdocs/bob and user bill would get jailed to htdocs/bill |
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| 17:13.57 | project9 | how do i acess winodws pc with linux from command |
| 17:14.00 | shingouz | fontinele: how about pasting the Xlog with the paster? |
| 17:14.13 | fontinele | shingouz, what is the Xlog? |
| 17:14.15 | shingouz | project9: define access |
| 17:14.26 | shingouz | fontinele: /var/log, check there |
| 17:14.46 | project9 | see remote file and us it |
| 17:15.04 | bea_ | is it posible that the problem is the kernel headers? |
| 17:15.24 | smf68 | hi, i'm trying to run bind9 but i always get this error: "namednamed: capset failed: Operation not permitted" |
| 17:15.25 | Xenguy | project9: what is the filesystem: FAT32, or NTFS? |
| 17:15.32 | wols_ | bea_: yes |
| 17:15.35 | shingouz | project9: you need samba, more precisely smbmount |
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| 17:16.01 | bea_ | wols_: but i cant found the packet kernel-headers-2.6.7 |
| 17:16.05 | Xenguy | project9: or maybe you mean what shingouz said |
| 17:16.10 | paster | "fontinele" at 200.216.218.3 pasted "x log" (712 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/233 |
| 17:16.20 | fontinele | shingouz, http://channels.debian.net/paste/233 |
| 17:16.30 | project9 | some fat,some ntfs |
| 17:16.35 | shingouz | lets see... |
| 17:16.37 | epsilon | can anyone help me with my MySQL problem, I installed mysql 4.1, php4 with mysql support, apache1. Created user with all access inside a single database. I can connect to that database as user via mysql shell and works fine. But if I try to connect via PHP (mysql_connect("localhost", "<user>", "<password>"), I get error '<user>'@'localhost' (using password: NO) access denied. Any idea why? |
| 17:16.42 | wols_ | bea_: you can create your own kernel headers with "make-kpkg" then |
| 17:16.47 | aedwards | anyone getting this "tar: pax_global_header: Unknown file type 'g', extracted as normal file" when they do a tar xzf on linux kernel-2.6.12.tar.gz? |
| 17:16.49 | shingouz | project9: if they are on the network the fileformat does not matter |
| 17:17.09 | project9 | ic |
| 17:17.25 | radulovity | sentinel:~# /sbin/tc qdisc del dev eth1 root |
| 17:17.25 | radulovity | RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted |
| 17:17.27 | trave11er | aedwards: is it with debian's tar? |
| 17:17.34 | radulovity | what is a problem? |
| 17:17.40 | bea_ | wols: make-kpkg? |
| 17:17.43 | project9 | what is syntex to connect windows comp |
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| 17:18.01 | wols_ | bea_: apt-get install build-essentials kernel-package |
| 17:18.03 | anhi | aedwards: tar xzvf works? |
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| 17:18.16 | aedwards | trave11er I only have debian but I just extracted others without error. |
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| 17:18.43 | Epod69 | hey, is there a way to check the configuration of the video card....when in kde and I change the screen saver to GL Matrix, and when i hit test, it goes suuuper slow, even thought if have the animations almost all the way to fast, when I turn on the show fps, the fps shows 2!!! What could be wrong?! The screensaver shows fine in the example computer screen... |
| 17:18.51 | MasterChief | greycat? |
| 17:18.53 | hacim | is a VIA C3 Ezra a 386 or 686? |
| 17:19.20 | greycat | hacim: 386 is safer |
| 17:19.28 | wols_ | hacim: most probably a 586 |
| 17:19.43 | hacim | greycat: yeah I think its missing some isntructions that make it full 686? |
| 17:19.48 | smf68 | hi, i'm trying to run bind9 but i always get this error: "namednamed: capset failed: Operation not permitted"! Can anybody help? |
| 17:19.55 | wols_ | Epod69: do you have hardware opengl acceleration? |
| 17:20.10 | Epod69 | wols_, dont know.. |
| 17:20.11 | greycat | hacim: probably |
| 17:20.20 | wols_ | Epod69: what videocard do you have? |
| 17:20.20 | shingouz | fontinele: looks like you have the wrong chipset defined there, the driver thinks you have the 340 and you seem to have a 650 |
| 17:20.36 | bea_ | wols_: wich packet includes make-kpkg? |
| 17:20.48 | wols_ | bea_: kernel-package |
| 17:20.50 | Epod69 | Nvidia TNT2, it used the save video card on my 550 mhz comp, it the screensaver worked just fine |
| 17:20.57 | fontinele | shingouz, and what do i have to do? |
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| 17:21.27 | wols_ | Epod69: if you haven't installed the (closed source) nvidia drivrs, it won't run opengl screensaveres with any tolerable speed |
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| 17:21.53 | wols_ | even with the nvidia drivers it might be too slow, being as old as it is |
| 17:22.03 | Epod69 | wols_, can I install them through apt-get |
| 17:22.10 | pmak | i dont have the folder /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/, where i can change the config of my network interfaces? every time that i reboot i have to reconfigure them all. |
| 17:22.25 | wols_ | Epod69: sort of. apt-cache search nvidia |
| 17:22.32 | shingouz | fontinele: first of all dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and try to tell the thing that you indeed have a 650 there. additional information on the chip you have can be found in the log: "(--) PCI:*(1:0:0) Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS650/651/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter rev 0, Mem " |
| 17:22.34 | Epod69 | wols_, i know the card works just fine though, i have usd it for a while on my slow comp, i have a P4 1.8 ghz now |
| 17:22.35 | MasterChief | thanks for the help :( |
| 17:22.40 | elm80 | anybody here knowing how to get /etc/apm/resume.d/ to be executed? |
| 17:22.51 | trave11er | pmak: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:23.37 | pmak | trave11er why i dont have the network-scripts folder? |
| 17:23.46 | fontinele | shingouz, i'll try, ty |
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| 17:24.00 | Epod69 | wols_, is there a difference between kpackage and synaptic package manager? Just wondering cause kpackage I am guessing is meant for special use on kde |
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| 17:24.25 | maxman | Hello. I am new to GNU/Linux. I have so far installed Debian Sarge on my computer and I now want to install the x-window-system. So, I apt-get installed it. Now the s-Server asks me if it should autodetect my hardware or if I'd want to configure it manually. I've got a Geforce2 graphics card and a BENQ FP767 16ms monitor. Could someone walk me through the configuration proccess, please? |
| 17:24.29 | shingouz | fontinele: if that does not work some additional things have to be tried. try the dpkg-reconfigure first though |
| 17:24.36 | _daniel_ | Epod69, kpackage uses qt, synaptic uses gtk |
| 17:24.45 | pmak | how can i make my ipmasq run on boot time? |
| 17:24.57 | ColonelKernel | I cant figure out how to get tv playing in ascii in mplayer |
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| 17:25.27 | ColonelKernel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.36 | Epod69 | _daniel_, does kpackage make menus or do anything special when used in kde, cause if it doesnt ill just stick with using synaptic.. |
| 17:25.48 | wols_ | Epod69: lermeö-package is a build script for compiling kernels. kpackage is a general purpose archive for kde, synaptic is a graphical frontend for apt-get |
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| 17:25.54 | wols_ | they're all totally different things |
| 17:25.54 | ColonelKernel | im trying to take the svideo channel and play it with the aa video out |
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| 17:26.14 | radulovity | hi igorpet ! |
| 17:26.15 | wols_ | pmak: dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq |
| 17:26.16 | TBBle | ColonelKernel: Which part doesn't work? |
| 17:26.18 | _daniel_ | Epod69, no, just you need QT for kde, and packages meant for kde use QT, gnome needs GTK, some ppl dont like having both libraries |
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| 17:26.29 | smf68 | hi, i'm trying to run bind9 but i always get this error: "namednamed: capset failed: Operation not permitted"! Can anybody help? |
| 17:26.32 | shingouz | ColonelKernel: you do that in a real terminal and not some xterm? try without the height and width |
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| 17:26.52 | _daniel_ | Epod69, I still use synaptic, and have both gtk an qt on my machine using kde as window manager |
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| 17:26.57 | trave11er | pmak: because there is no network-scripts folder in debian? |
| 17:27.08 | Epod69 | _daniel_, oh ok...are some people weird or is there a reason they dont like both... |
| 17:27.12 | pmak | wols_ thanks |
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| 17:27.28 | _daniel_ | Epod69, they are weird |
| 17:27.31 | pmak | trave11er hmm, in got the wrong how-to then =] thanks |
| 17:27.33 | wols_ | pmak: anything you want to reconfigure a package, use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:27.37 | Epod69 | _daniel_, ok =) =P |
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| 17:27.57 | trave11er | pmak: network-scripts is present on redhat and derivatives, i think |
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| 17:28.09 | _daniel_ | Epod69, its like vim an emacs, they are both great, each has its cons and pros, but theres still a war |
| 17:28.11 | maxman | Hello. I am new to GNU/Linux. I have so far installed Debian Sarge on my computer and I now want to install the x-window-system. So, I apt-get installed it. Now the s-Server asks me if it should autodetect my hardware or if I'd want to configure it manually. I've got a Geforce2 graphics card and a BENQ FP767 16ms monitor. Could someone walk me through the configuration proccess, please? |
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| 17:28.39 | _daniel_ | maxman see if it configures it automatically |
| 17:28.39 | Epod69 | _daniel_, yea.., why isnt nano in the war ? |
| 17:28.42 | Epod69 | =P |
| 17:28.46 | shingouz | maxman: if you have some autoconfig running there why not use it |
| 17:28.49 | _daniel_ | Epod69, dont be silly nano sucks |
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| 17:29.07 | wols_ | maxman: just answer the question it poses truthfully. if it doesn't work you can always go back and have another try with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 17:29.21 | Epod69 | oh, i dont use those others...i started using nano, it seems easier to me =P |
| 17:29.41 | _daniel_ | maxman after youve configured your Xserver, go to nvidia site, download nvidia drivers and read the installation guide, fallowed entirely, and you will be fine |
| 17:29.47 | maxman | shingouz: maybe its dangerous. i've been using windows for all my life. so, i natively don't trust auto-config stuff |
| 17:29.53 | shingouz | _daniel_: no |
| 17:29.55 | _daniel_ | Epod69, both vim and emacs are way over nano |
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| 17:30.10 | shingouz | maxman: once you have the rest of the things set up lets install the nvidia later |
| 17:30.26 | maxman | thanks _daniel_, shingouz and wols_ |
| 17:30.27 | Epod69 | _daniel_, you said something about going to the nvidias site to get drivers, should i do that instead, or apt-get them |
| 17:30.27 | shingouz | maxman: just let it autoconfigure, this is not windows |
| 17:30.47 | valdyn | Epod69: using the debian packages is recommended |
| 17:30.48 | shingouz | maxman: the nvidia solution _daniel_ suggested is not a good one |
| 17:31.04 | shingouz | _daniel_: can you lose the leading underscore btw, pain ton type |
| 17:31.08 | _daniel_ | Epod69, I dont know if there is a compiled version, if you dont know what you are doing maybe apt-get is better |
| 17:31.16 | radulovity | use hier anybody tc? |
| 17:31.20 | maxman | what's a XKB rule? |
| 17:31.21 | Epod69 | ok |
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| 17:31.38 | _daniel_ | shingouz, daniel without underscores is a registered admin on freenode, I will get kicked |
| 17:31.39 | shingouz | maxman: just accept the default there |
| 17:31.53 | Epod69 | _daniel_, its not like i havent compiled and configured anything though..i started off with my first distro as gentoo.... |
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| 17:31.59 | maxman | shingouz: xfree86? |
| 17:32.08 | wols_ | radulovity: you probably have to compile a custom kernel and compile the QoS/qdisc stuff for it |
| 17:32.19 | shingouz | _daniel_: just lose the leading underscore... damn i love to type all those damn underscores and [ and{ and whatnot. geez |
| 17:32.24 | shingouz | maxman: yes |
| 17:32.26 | wols_ | radulovity: maybe try wondershaper. see if it works |
| 17:32.29 | _daniel_ | Epod69, then its easy, look just get the kernel headers, go to nvidia, download the driver, read the manual and that is it |
| 17:32.32 | Epod69 | ah, nvidia drivers werent even installed ... =| |
| 17:32.32 | maxman | shingouz: OK |
| 17:32.39 | valdyn | Epod69: compiling is not the point ( nvidia-glx is compiled too, unless you run the default 2.4 sarge kernel ), the point is that the nvidia-installer just overwrites files belonging to debian packages |
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| 17:32.52 | _daniel_ | shingouz, this is my registered nick since 1 year |
| 17:32.58 | shingouz | poor thing |
| 17:33.00 | Epod69 | valdyn, that doesnt sound too good |
| 17:33.08 | wols_ | _daniel_: it's still a very crappy one |
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| 17:33.26 | radulovity | wols_: i have compiled but nothik .... |
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| 17:33.29 | _daniel_ | wols_, was the only one accepted |
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| 17:33.48 | _daniel_ | wols_, both daniel_ and daniel were taken |
| 17:33.58 | radulovity | sentinel:/usr/src/linux# /sbin/tc qdisc add dev eth1 root handle 1 htb default 5000 |
| 17:34.01 | radulovity | RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted |
| 17:34.06 | radulovity | wols_: ^^^ |
| 17:34.26 | wols_ | radulovity: then you haven't done it right. have you tried it with a debian standard kernel? |
| 17:34.52 | wols_ | radulovity: and what kernel version are you running? |
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| 17:35.03 | shingouz | _daniel_: it still is a pain in the ass to type. you would have some interesting times if i had a nick that started with, lets say, å |
| 17:35.16 | shingouz | commmon courtesy mostly.. |
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| 17:35.30 | radulovity | wols_: same with debia gneeric kernels is 2.6.9 own compiled, and generic 2,6 |
| 17:35.35 | _daniel_ | shingouz, haha I know, but what can I do, I have a popular name |
| 17:35.50 | Epod69 | the xf86config file said it was using the nv driver, but yet i didnt have the nvidia drivers installed...what drivers could x11 been using then ? |
| 17:36.00 | wols_ | _daniel_: nick != name. so choose another nick |
| 17:36.10 | wols_ | do you think shingouz's name is shingouz? |
| 17:36.20 | _daniel_ | Epod69, nv drivers are not the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com |
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| 17:36.31 | _daniel_ | wols_, I dont like nicks |
| 17:36.36 | valdyn | !tell Epod69 about nvidia drivers |
| 17:36.39 | shingouz | i do not even have wings in real life. besides i am a hell of a lot bigger and not greenish-brown |
| 17:36.41 | drac | xf86config? It shouldn't be used.. |
| 17:36.42 | valdyn | !tell Epod69 about nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:36.48 | wols_ | Epod69: the nv drivers. they come with X11 but have to opengl acceleration. they're the Free drivers for nvidia cards |
| 17:37.21 | wols_ | shingouz: so you're an imposter too? |
| 17:37.23 | Epod69 | wols_, and nvidia cards arent free ? And what do i replace nv with then ? |
| 17:37.38 | _daniel_ | Epod69, with the nvidia driver from nvidia.com |
| 17:37.39 | shingouz | daniel: this is what happens with a hard to type nick like yours. good highlights, don't you think |
| 17:37.39 | valdyn | Epod69: dpkg told you |
| 17:37.46 | shingouz | wols_: you too? |
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| 17:38.08 | myren | i have a Celeron 500 that it takes like 90 seconds to SSH into... |
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| 17:38.15 | myren | the password box takes forever to appear |
| 17:38.18 | wols_ | shingouz: yes. but the guy I stole the nick/name from is dead. also it wasn't his real name either. So I'm safe: he can't sue me :P |
| 17:38.24 | myren | even my 200 mhz ROUTER is WAY faster |
| 17:38.24 | boo | Hi, what's the driver for the ALPS Glidepoint? |
| 17:38.42 | wols_ | myren: your DNS is borked/FUBAR |
| 17:38.45 | valdyn | boo: what is that? |
| 17:38.48 | Epod69 | ok...does anyone also know a link for setting up dmix with alsa, but one that also dmixes oss ? |
| 17:38.53 | wols_ | myren: which is what makes sshd unhappy |
| 17:39.02 | myren | wols_: i'm dns'ing to an IP address tho? |
| 17:39.22 | shingouz | wols_: maybe google images shows you what a shingouz is ;) |
| 17:39.29 | wols_ | sshd does. it tryies to reverse DNS the client's IP IIRC by default |
| 17:39.40 | myren | ah ok |
| 17:39.44 | wols_ | if there is something wrong with that DNS it can take a VERY long time to log in |
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| 17:39.48 | maxman | shingouz: xserver is now asking me for details about my monitor. is 'horizontal sync rate' the same as 'Horizontal Frequency (Max) KHz'? |
| 17:39.58 | shingouz | maxman: yes it is |
| 17:39.59 | smf68 | hi, i'm trying to run bind9 but i always get this error: "namednamed: capset failed: Operation not permitted"! Can anybody help? |
| 17:40.02 | boo | valdyn: the mouse for the a sony laptop? |
| 17:40.12 | wols_ | shingouz: god damn you're ugly :P |
| 17:40.20 | boo | valdyn: errmm, the mouse for a sony laptop. |
| 17:40.38 | shingouz | wols_: that is why i chose such a cute creature. i am uglier in real life |
| 17:40.56 | myren | damn, i need to name my routers |
| 17:41.05 | valdyn | boo: try ImPS/2 if you are using a 2.6.x kernel |
| 17:41.25 | valdyn | boo: i dont know that device, but all mice are supposed to look identical for applications on 2.6 |
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| 17:41.56 | myren | ddaamn, these older 2100 XP processors are TOASTY |
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| 17:42.05 | boo | valdyn: hmm ok, thanks. |
| 17:42.07 | myren | two of em in server; its not so happy |
| 17:42.20 | boo | valdyn: so is the same driver the usb uses? |
| 17:42.27 | [bono] | Question: Can anyone acknowledge that ddts is down? Anyone knows when/if it will be fixed? |
| 17:42.31 | wols_ | myren: be glad you don't have a presshot :) |
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| 17:42.43 | myren | oh lordy |
| 17:42.48 | CaPu | Hello to all: |
| 17:42.56 | radulovity | re CaPu |
| 17:43.02 | CaPu | i installed debian earlier today, but set up X with the wrong driver... |
| 17:43.10 | CaPu | how do i sort it, via commands? |
| 17:43.15 | Phated | !drxx CaPu |
| 17:43.16 | dpkg | CaPu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 17:43.28 | maxman | shingouz: cool, it works! and fluxbox works too. THANK YOU |
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| 17:43.34 | CaPu | ok, will try it now :D |
| 17:43.39 | Voodoo-Child | CaPu: xf86config |
| 17:43.45 | [bono] | Question: Anyone using DDTS here? |
| 17:43.51 | shingouz | Voodoo-Child: no, not on debian |
| 17:43.52 | valdyn | Epod69: what you want is not possible if you use snd-pcm-oss for the emulation but it is if you use the tool aoss ( from the package alsa-oss ), see http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 17:43.58 | wols_ | maxman: you should probably still go and get the nvidia drivers |
| 17:44.05 | shingouz | !tell [bono] about polls |
| 17:44.08 | shingouz | !tell [bono] about ask |
| 17:44.22 | maxman | wols_: why? |
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| 17:44.37 | Voodoo-Child | shingouz: why not? if it works |
| 17:44.41 | shingouz | maxman: you do not have 3d on the box as of the moment but unless you need it for games or somesuch, i would skip it |
| 17:44.42 | wols_ | maxman: cause then you can play Enemy Territory. ALL DAY LONG! |
| 17:44.56 | shingouz | Voodoo-Child: because it fucks up the configuration tools |
| 17:45.00 | radulovity | wols_: can you send me you kernel config file, for tc ? |
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| 17:45.18 | shingouz | !tell Voodoo-Child about drxx |
| 17:45.24 | Epod69 | if I bye a card that does hardware mixing, do i not need dmix? and will i be able to also hardware mix programs which use oss? |
| 17:45.25 | maxman | wols_, shingouz: I don't play games |
| 17:45.27 | wols_ | radulovity: sure. where to? |
| 17:45.29 | Epod69 | buy* |
| 17:45.38 | shingouz | maxman: in that case you do not need the 3d really |
| 17:45.42 | valdyn | Epod69: correct |
| 17:45.48 | wols_ | maxman: then maybe you have a pretty opengl screensaver addiction :) |
| 17:45.52 | maxman | shingouz: good :) |
| 17:46.04 | shingouz | maxman: it can be installed but if you are happy with 2d you're set now |
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| 17:46.15 | valdyn | Epod69: however only via 'aoss' afaik |
| 17:46.32 | maxman | wols_: neither I have a screensaver addiction. but thanks |
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| 17:46.45 | shingouz | maxman: easier to install than you thought, right? |
| 17:46.56 | maxman | shingouz: yeah |
| 17:47.04 | initech | maxman: you mean to tell us you actually do something productive with 3d?!? |
| 17:47.09 | maxman | shingouz: it installs in a breeze |
| 17:47.26 | shingouz | maxman: and you did not have to reboot umpteen times either |
| 17:47.34 | valdyn | Epod69: alsa, look at aoss, you can add its contents to one of your login or bootscripts to avoid using aoss each time at some later point.. |
| 17:47.45 | maxman | shingouz: no, hehe. |
| 17:47.57 | maxman | shingouz: GNU/Linux is not Windows |
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| 17:48.12 | shingouz | maxman: i know, that is why i do not have doze here |
| 17:48.22 | maxman | initech: dunno |
| 17:49.10 | maxman | shingouz: i'm gona get an new 2nd hand laptop soon. i'm gonna try to get debian to work there too |
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| 17:49.48 | shingouz | maxman: try? you will make it work. /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 17:50.01 | myren | i'm sorry, did sarge become stable? |
| 17:50.09 | myren | as in, are the stable repositories now sarge? |
| 17:50.17 | valdyn | !topicsmite myren |
| 17:50.18 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon myren. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:50.20 | shingouz | maxman: you may want to check up on which laptops have been already made to run linux, helps a bit to do the homework |
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| 17:50.32 | Stonie | hello |
| 17:50.41 | maxman | shingouz: yeah |
| 17:50.59 | Stonie | can someone tell me how to change my default browser from Firefox to opera? |
| 17:51.11 | valdyn | Stonie: who's default browser? |
| 17:51.25 | valdyn | Stonie: there's ( unfortunately ) more than one setting. |
| 17:51.38 | usn | hi folx |
| 17:51.40 | Stonie | I am running Xandros 3.2 |
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| 17:51.50 | shingouz | Stonie: why do you ask here then? |
| 17:51.58 | shingouz | Stonie: #xandros |
| 17:51.59 | Stonie | no response |
| 17:52.03 | Phated | !they don't know |
| 17:52.03 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:52.04 | myren | i do not see that info in the topic valdyn |
| 17:52.06 | shingouz | that is not my problem |
| 17:52.10 | greycat | !Phated++ |
| 17:52.15 | Phated | wheee! |
| 17:52.29 | Phated | greycat: Hello, and how are you today? |
| 17:52.33 | Stonie | Xandros is Debian |
| 17:52.38 | cheal | myren: change your IRC client |
| 17:52.46 | maxman | shingouz: are there better light weight window managers than fluxbox? what do you use? |
| 17:52.46 | Phated | !xandros |
| 17:52.46 | dpkg | from memory, xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 17:52.50 | Phated | Heh. |
| 17:52.52 | initech | Stonie: no, it's not, it is based on debian |
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| 17:52.56 | valdyn | Stonie: no it isnt, however, try: "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" |
| 17:53.00 | greycat | Phated: not too bad. just got back from florida, so I'm still a bit sunburned. |
| 17:53.03 | leonel | where can i see anything about sarge security status ? anyone knows anything ? |
| 17:53.08 | shingouz | Stonie: no it is not. we go through this conversation about once an hour so you can get off that horse |
| 17:53.13 | Rawplayer | lo usn |
| 17:53.15 | valdyn | leonel: www.debian.org |
| 17:53.17 | Stonie | heh |
| 17:53.22 | Phated | greycat: Oooh, did you meet hel ix? |
| 17:53.24 | Stonie | great group here |
| 17:53.26 | cheal | leonel: I'd check testing security instead |
| 17:53.31 | greycat | Phated: no, just went to disney with the family |
| 17:53.44 | myren | cheal: dont you EVER insult irssi again |
| 17:53.49 | Phated | greycat: Did you get mouse ears? And have fun? |
| 17:53.50 | myren | i will hunt your family down like dogs |
| 17:54.01 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/disneyworld/ |
| 17:54.03 | initech | myren: irssi is teh suck |
| 17:54.08 | Phated | myren: /topic> |
| 17:54.11 | cheal | myren: ok, as long as you don't insult #debian's /topic |
| 17:54.16 | myren | ddeeaatth! |
| 17:54.16 | leonel | valdyn, there's nothing there |
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| 17:54.22 | leonel | cheal, why testing ? |
| 17:54.31 | valdyn | leonel: nothing but a few security fixes? |
| 17:54.33 | cheal | leonel: because it's still close to stable |
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| 17:54.38 | valdyn | leonel: or are you joking? |
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| 17:54.45 | shingouz | myren: i do not like irrsi either, i think it is not useable ;) |
| 17:54.55 | Phated | Rubbish. |
| 17:54.57 | greycat | testing is going to diverge sharply from sarge *soon*. |
| 17:54.58 | cheal | !security bugs |
| 17:54.58 | dpkg | security bugs is probably at http://qa.debian.org/bts-security.html |
| 17:54.59 | leonel | valdyn, http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200506142140 |
| 17:55.05 | greycat | sid's been getting a lot of new stuff |
| 17:55.13 | myren | pointing me at the FAQ would be far less circumspect than the topic |
| 17:55.17 | Phated | Go siddiesiddiesid. |
| 17:55.24 | thomas22 | how do I use ftp from mozilla ? |
| 17:55.27 | cheal | greycat: yeah, but meanwhile there's a rather reliable info about sarge's security status |
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| 17:55.34 | Phated | thomas22: Just enter the ftp url? |
| 17:55.36 | valdyn | leonel: why do you care? this post talks about testing security, not sarge |
| 17:56.34 | initech | i just abandoned sid, finally |
| 17:56.38 | leonel | I see about security.debian.org so it involves sarge |
| 17:56.44 | Lathi | what are appletalk zones? |
| 17:56.52 | greycat | leonel: sarge is stable now, y'know. |
| 17:56.59 | valdyn | leonel: yea, ops, you are right, guess its still broken. |
| 17:57.00 | leonel | yes I know |
| 17:57.07 | shingouz | leonel: depends on your sources.list. if it still says testing you are on etch and etch does not have security |
| 17:57.10 | cheal | uurrrr |
| 17:57.16 | thomas22 | Phated: well okay but I just got a new webhosting program and I'm reading the docs and it says the ftp url is mydomainname.com - but if I put in mydomainname.com it will just bring up the site - I'm trying to edit the index.html to change the site for the first time |
| 17:57.17 | cheal | leonel: thanks for that post |
| 17:57.26 | pmak | there is any small text editor good for programming? vim has 15+MB, and vi theres no highlight |
| 17:57.29 | leonel | I haave a production server with sarge and i'm worried |
| 17:57.30 | myren | the faq indicates woody is still stable |
| 17:57.33 | greycat | pmak: wrong. |
| 17:57.33 | Phated | thomas22: No no, go to ftp://mydomainname.org |
| 17:57.35 | magyar | does someone tried using wine with kde? |
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| 17:57.39 | greycat | pmak: :syntax on |
| 17:57.52 | CaPu | guys, when i try & startx, im getting "No screen found" |
| 17:57.59 | CaPu | where am i going wrong? ^_^ |
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| 17:58.02 | cheal | !noscreensfound |
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| 17:58.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 17:58.03 | shingouz | !no screen found |
| 17:58.11 | greycat | "screens" |
| 17:58.14 | cheal | !no screens found |
| 17:58.14 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 17:58.15 | wols_ | CaPu: dpkg-reconfigure your xserver |
| 17:58.20 | cheal | I always mix up thos two |
| 17:58.23 | Denix | hello for all |
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| 17:58.42 | pmak | greycat 'The syntax command is unknown' |
| 17:58.44 | CaPu | ok wols_ |
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| 17:58.58 | Denix | i'm a brazilian user |
| 17:59.02 | greycat | pmak: did you mean "legacy unix vi(1) has no highlighting"? if so, I misunderstood. |
| 17:59.05 | cheal | leonel: it looks like you're right to be |
| 17:59.10 | greycat | pmak: but I fail to see how that's relevant to #debian |
| 17:59.13 | Phated | vimvimvim, sing it again! |
| 17:59.17 | Denix | help me please |
| 17:59.21 | greycat | !br |
| 17:59.21 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:59.22 | leonel | cheal, so no news at all ? |
| 17:59.24 | cheal | I received two DWN editions today |
| 17:59.32 | Denix | my english is very bad |
| 17:59.35 | greycat | cheal: you're extra-special. |
| 17:59.37 | Phated | cheal: So did I. |
| 17:59.41 | Phated | I'm speciaaaal! |
| 18:00.00 | wols_ | Phated: we knew that already |
| 18:00.00 | pmak | greycat whats the problem in ask for a good text editor in #debian? |
| 18:00.04 | cheal | greycat: that was about extra breakage reported in joey's post |
| 18:00.13 | Phated | wols_: Oh, hush you. |
| 18:00.21 | Denix | channel in portuguese?? |
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| 18:00.25 | wols_ | pmak: try fte |
| 18:00.27 | shingouz | !br |
| 18:00.27 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:00.33 | shingouz | Denix: ^^^ |
| 18:00.40 | pmak | wols_ i will, thanks |
| 18:00.48 | Denix | thank's |
| 18:00.51 | shingouz | np |
| 18:00.54 | greycat | pmak: because Debian doesn't have "vi". It has vim, nvi, etc. |
| 18:00.55 | myren | wouldsomeone please confirm, stable still points to woody? |
| 18:01.00 | myren | thats what the FAQ says |
| 18:01.00 | greycat | myren: no. |
| 18:01.06 | Phated | myren: Nope. |
| 18:01.11 | shingouz | myren: no, stable points to sarge |
| 18:01.15 | greycat | myren: first two words in the /topic |
| 18:01.26 | Phated | Look, THREE confirmations! You're even more special. |
| 18:01.28 | cheal | myren: /topic is always right...when it doesn't change for 15 minutes :) |
| 18:01.37 | myren | the final implications of SARGE RELEASED are unknown to me |
| 18:01.37 | thomas22 | Phated: thanks |
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| 18:01.41 | greycat | except when it's wrong, of ourse |
| 18:01.41 | pmak | greycat my debian netinst has vi |
| 18:01.42 | jetx | !info vi |
| 18:01.48 | greycat | pmak: ls -l /usr/bin/vi |
| 18:01.54 | Phated | thomas22: Not a problem. |
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| 18:02.00 | jetx | funny i thought there was vi |
| 18:02.01 | shingouz | myren: sarge is stable, woody is gone, etch is testing, sid is unstable |
| 18:02.08 | greycat | jetx: ls -l /usr/bin/vi |
| 18:02.09 | myren | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DebianNames might want to be updated to reflect the recent change |
| 18:02.14 | Phated | jetx: The one installed with base is nvi. |
| 18:02.22 | wols_ | jetx: there can't be. just like debian can't have "sh" either |
| 18:02.25 | greycat | woody is "old stable", still supported. |
| 18:02.31 | pmak | greycat this is a link to /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 18:02.38 | magyar | how can i make vim remember the "location last edited" on exit? |
| 18:02.43 | pink1 | I mistakenly updated and upgraded Sarge without editing /etc/apt/sources.list to stable - can I roll back the upgrade and do it again for Sarge/stable ? |
| 18:02.46 | wols_ | pmak: just trust him. there is no real vi in debian |
| 18:02.52 | myren | Debian preceeds toy-story doesnt it; was there a naming convention which preceeded the toy story theme? |
| 18:02.59 | cheal | nano is 1 MB |
| 18:02.59 | Phated | No. |
| 18:03.00 | greycat | myren: no |
| 18:03.01 | valdyn | pink1: only manually |
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| 18:03.08 | jetx | /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/nvi |
| 18:03.13 | greycat | debian's first actual release was buzz, post-toy-story |
| 18:03.32 | jvw | myren: Debian started off using @pixar.com for its mailing lists, fwiw |
| 18:03.38 | pmak | wols_ theres only nano right? |
| 18:03.40 | initech | slink was the first with apt I believe ... |
| 18:03.40 | jvw | before the debian.org domain existed |
| 18:03.45 | Phated | Slinkeh! |
| 18:03.46 | black13 | still having problems with dhclient |
| 18:03.46 | myren | was there any other relationship to pixar? |
| 18:03.46 | greycat | initech: yes |
| 18:03.50 | pink1 | valdyn - and how do I do that manually? |
| 18:03.53 | jetx | nano is fine for simple text editing |
| 18:03.55 | greycat | myren: Bruce Perens, mostly. |
| 18:03.56 | Phated | myren: Someone worked there or something. |
| 18:03.57 | telpochyaotl | where does one look to start a port of debian? |
| 18:03.57 | wols_ | pmak: I hope not, or I'd have to kill myself |
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| 18:04.01 | jetx | emphasis on simple |
| 18:04.06 | wols_ | world with only nano... *shudder* |
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| 18:04.12 | Phated | Nothing wrong with nano. |
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| 18:04.20 | MrDuck | hello all |
| 18:04.22 | FieldySnuts | yeah just don't forget -w |
| 18:04.23 | greycat | nano's not horrible. |
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| 18:04.25 | FieldySnuts | !start an editor war |
| 18:04.25 | dpkg | vim is known to cause ulcers |
| 18:04.26 | myren | anyone know what linux pixar runs now? |
| 18:04.26 | pmak | Phated theres no highlight |
| 18:04.30 | valdyn | pink1: find out which packages got upgraded ( easy if you used aptitude, probably hard if you used apt-get ), purge each upgraded package and install it again. |
| 18:04.33 | jetx | i have nano aliased as nano -w |
| 18:04.33 | Phated | It's not VIM, but it's not that bad. |
| 18:04.36 | Phated | pmak: Beh? |
| 18:04.37 | jvw | yeah, Bruce Perens set up a lot of infrastructure, and he worked for pixar |
| 18:04.38 | FieldySnuts | oh boo hoo. |
| 18:04.44 | caphuso | "unbearable" is the word you are looking for |
| 18:04.45 | jvw | that's about it as far as the relationship goes :) |
| 18:04.49 | black13 | it always helps to load the module!!!! |
| 18:04.52 | myren | fair enough |
| 18:04.58 | Phated | caphuso: Heh. |
| 18:04.58 | pink1 | valdyn - Ouch, but thanks... |
| 18:05.02 | jvw | well, I'm not sure, was Debian used for rendering toystory? |
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| 18:05.08 | valdyn | pink1: simply installing the older version over the newer might work or not, its not safe however, and still plenty work. |
| 18:05.17 | black13 | dude i can ping!!!! |
| 18:05.20 | myren | i dont know about back then, but now pixar has a bunch of linux machines, iirc |
| 18:05.23 | black13 | google |
| 18:05.23 | initech | pink1: it is more work that just reinstalling |
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| 18:05.29 | greycat | !congratulate black13 |
| 18:05.30 | dpkg | Nice one black13, you did it! |
| 18:05.32 | myren | i could've sworn debian was older |
| 18:05.33 | Phated | jvw: Unlikely. Might have been Linux, prolly not Debian specifically. |
| 18:05.47 | greycat | myren: debian's first *release* is post-toy-story. debian itself is older. |
| 18:06.07 | pink1 | Hmm - how reliable is sid/testing now? |
| 18:06.15 | Phated | How long was it around Before TS? |
| 18:06.18 | shingouz | pink1: sid is not testing |
| 18:06.19 | FieldySnuts | if you have to ask, don't do it |
| 18:06.20 | greycat | !history |
| 18:06.20 | dpkg | from memory, history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 18:06.22 | bleaked | hello..I've been a linux user for a couple of years now. I have always wanted to try debian, but just never did. I guess you could say I'm a long-time gentoo user, but before you start the flames, I genuinely want to give it a thourough try. So with that in mind, I was wondering what the best sources are for a new deb user (i.e., docs, forums, howtos, info on apt, useful os-specifi tools/scripts, etc)? Any help would be appreciated. |
| 18:06.23 | jetx | i tried the etch installer accidentally once... OOOPS |
| 18:06.29 | trc | pink1: sid is fine |
| 18:06.34 | jetx | tldp.org bleaked |
| 18:06.34 | shingouz | pink1: sid is unstable and you really should not run it |
| 18:06.34 | greycat | Phated: less than 2 years I think |
| 18:06.36 | Phated | !faq bleaked |
| 18:06.36 | black13 | hey i want to share my experiences with others (and do some self promotion) where could i post my recipe on building a live cd |
| 18:06.37 | dpkg | bleaked: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:06.46 | Phated | There, bleaked, a start. :) |
| 18:06.50 | Phated | greycat: Ah. All right. |
| 18:06.54 | jvw | pink1: not very much, unstable and testing are about to undergo heavy transitions |
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| 18:06.55 | bleaked | ok thanks |
| 18:06.57 | bleaked | :) |
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| 18:07.09 | trc | shingouz: don't think so, sid is nice, may get unstable, but right now is working well |
| 18:07.11 | jvw | new dpkg broke a lot of stuff, gcc-4.0 will break stuff, etc etc |
| 18:07.14 | Phated | black13: Write an article for osnews or something. |
| 18:07.16 | gass | hello ppl |
| 18:07.19 | greycat | jvw: yay broken stuff! |
| 18:07.26 | Phated | black13: Or your personal website. |
| 18:07.29 | jetx | i get to see how nvidia-installer breaks when x is majorly upgraded! hoorah!!! |
| 18:07.30 | FieldySnuts | nice document |
| 18:07.33 | gass | is debian-security down since sarge's release? |
| 18:07.37 | jvw | some gnome2.10 lib had a snafu, ... |
| 18:07.39 | jetx | no |
| 18:07.40 | shingouz | trc: i still dont recommend sid to someone who jsut shows up here even if i run sid personally |
| 18:07.43 | jetx | security is up |
| 18:07.49 | jetx | or was |
| 18:07.55 | trc | shingouz: true |
| 18:08.02 | black13 | Phated, i was thinking something online |
| 18:08.15 | Phated | black13: Both osnews and your own website ARE online. |
| 18:08.17 | pink1 | what's testing called then? |
| 18:08.20 | greycat | !etch |
| 18:08.20 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 18:08.21 | Phated | pink1: etch |
| 18:08.21 | shingouz | etch |
| 18:08.35 | pink1 | and unstable is sid? |
| 18:08.39 | Phated | Yes. |
| 18:08.42 | pink1 | k |
| 18:08.44 | shingouz | pink1: always |
| 18:08.53 | Phated | And forever. |
| 18:08.54 | pink1 | how reliable is etch? |
| 18:09.02 | greycat | pink1: not very. |
| 18:09.05 | Phated | Probably not very right now. |
| 18:09.07 | pink1 | :-( |
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| 18:09.09 | shingouz | pink1: it is testing.... |
| 18:09.20 | greycat | just after a release is when all the new half-baked packages get uploaded. |
| 18:09.23 | Phated | Etch is still getting fairly major chances, isn't it? |
| 18:09.27 | Phated | changes |
| 18:09.33 | greycat | Phated: if not yet, it's about to. |
| 18:09.35 | pink1 | sure - but I ran Sarge when it ws testing and had no troubles |
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| 18:09.48 | Phated | pink1: You might have run it after it had mostly settled down. |
| 18:09.50 | jetx | that's because it's now stable |
| 18:09.50 | greycat | pink1: in a couple months, etch may be just as reliable. we don't know. |
| 18:10.00 | pink1 | K |
| 18:10.07 | Phated | pink1: Brand new testing usually isn't very stable. |
| 18:10.15 | greycat | think of a damped oscilattor. |
| 18:10.20 | pink1 | I'll wobbly along with etch for a while ;-) |
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| 18:10.32 | initech | pink1: i have to say, after ~5 years of unstable, I'm pretty happy to be on stable |
| 18:10.39 | pink1 | and hope it settles fairly soon |
| 18:10.45 | greycat | a release is the point where you disturb the oscilattor and then it starts jumping all around... then it gradually settles down. |
| 18:10.47 | Phated | It probably will. It might not. |
| 18:10.53 | Phated | But most likely will. |
| 18:10.55 | Phated | :) |
| 18:10.56 | pink1 | initech - you were running sid? |
| 18:10.56 | greycat | "oscillator", I meant. |
| 18:11.01 | Phated | !tell me about enter |
| 18:11.08 | Phated | Thank you, dpkg. |
| 18:11.17 | initech | pink1: unstable, yes sid, but before it was sid (2002?) |
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| 18:11.39 | greycat | sid is eternal |
| 18:11.40 | Phated | initech: what was it back then? Just unstable? |
| 18:11.41 | pink1 | initech - cool but you're on etch now - right? |
| 18:11.53 | initech | Phated: yes |
| 18:11.55 | myren | what character was sid? |
| 18:11.59 | Phated | initech: Cool. |
| 18:12.02 | Phated | myren: the evil kid. |
| 18:12.05 | initech | pink1: no sarge |
| 18:12.06 | shingouz | myren: the nasty kid next doors |
| 18:12.11 | greycat | there was a point long ago when sid was closer to what's called "experimental" now, but that was rather a long time ago |
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| 18:12.41 | black13 | i started dhclient manuall what starts it i know its a script in /etc/init.d |
| 18:12.47 | Phated | Thus showing us how Debian always pushes the envelope. soon, experimental will be boring, and we'll have a nuclear. |
| 18:12.51 | myren | haha, thats funny |
| 18:12.53 | FieldySnuts | "Debian 1.0 was never released: Accidently Infomagic, a CD vendor, shipped the development release of Debian and entitled it 1.0. On December 11th 1995, Debian and Infomagic jointly announced that this release was screwed." |
| 18:12.55 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:13.01 | initech | greycat: well, I just got fatigued with fixing my system. also embarrassed when people are over and I find out something I want to show them stopped working, shit like that. It gets old. |
| 18:13.14 | greycat | pink1: you can stop it. |
| 18:13.14 | black13 | does ifup indirectly start dhclient |
| 18:13.15 | Phated | pink1: You could always wait for a bit till etch calms down a little. |
| 18:13.23 | pink1 | how? |
| 18:13.27 | bob2 | black13: if configured to, yes |
| 18:13.29 | Phated | black13: If you set it to use dhcp, probably. |
| 18:13.39 | Phated | bob2! And how are you, my fine Aussie mate? |
| 18:13.46 | black13 | bob2, big ifs |
| 18:13.51 | Phated | Hang on, you -are- aussie, aren't you? |
| 18:13.52 | pink1 | greycat - How? |
| 18:13.58 | Phated | pink1: ctrl-c? |
| 18:14.07 | black13 | back to google |
| 18:14.09 | bob2 | Phated: semi-sleepy, and yourself? |
| 18:14.13 | greycat | pink1: ctrl-c if it's not actually running dpkg yet. |
| 18:14.14 | magyar | how can i make vim remember the "location last line edited" on exit? I have this function "ON" by default on MDK. |
| 18:14.14 | bob2 | Phated: so my passport says |
| 18:14.17 | jetx | hey if i'm using fb on console, how do i disable it for x? (nvidia card) |
| 18:14.20 | Phated | bob2: Wonderful. Got a thinkpad! |
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| 18:14.37 | bob2 | black13: no, there's no if about it. just look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:14.41 | amphi | Phated: nice - which one? |
| 18:14.43 | greycat | magyar: 141 people in #vim |
| 18:14.44 | pink1 | greycat - can I IM you where it got to? |
| 18:14.45 | bob2 | Phated: oh, awesome |
| 18:14.46 | ColonelKernel | ok I got mplayer to play video out with ascii in x - how can I do it in console without X? |
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| 18:14.48 | greycat | pink1: no |
| 18:14.49 | Phated | amphi: R52. |
| 18:14.56 | pink1 | k |
| 18:15.00 | magyar | greycat: thx |
| 18:15.05 | amphi | Phated: cool - I have a t42 |
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| 18:15.10 | jetx | yes ColonelKernel |
| 18:15.11 | Phated | bob2: Not entirely. Sarge doesn't fully support some of the newerish hardware on it. I might try Ubuntu. |
| 18:15.15 | jetx | oh how.. one moment |
| 18:15.17 | shingouz | ColonelKernel: the same command in the console :) |
| 18:15.18 | otroean | Hi. I've chosen norwegian language in debian but i want to change to english. Help!!! |
| 18:15.19 | bob2 | Phated: ahhh |
| 18:15.21 | Phated | amphi: It's really cool, rock solid. |
| 18:15.25 | Phated | bob2: Yeah, but it |
| 18:15.32 | ColonelKernel | shingouz, if I do that I dont get any tv output |
| 18:15.33 | amphi | Phated: yeah - what hw doesn't work? |
| 18:15.35 | Phated | 's not a huge deal. I have putty. ;) |
| 18:15.38 | greycat | otroean: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:15.41 | ColonelKernel | lemme try without x started |
| 18:15.45 | black13 | bob2, sorry not being argumentative thanks ill look |
| 18:15.57 | Phated | amphi: Sarge can't find the disk. I think it's some funny SCSI controller. |
| 18:15.59 | bob2 | !+man interfaces |
| 18:15.59 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
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| 18:16.04 | bob2 | black13: ^^^ |
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| 18:16.29 | black13 | black13, lets all have a big group hug |
| 18:16.35 | ColonelKernel | no, it wont output in console mode |
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| 18:16.53 | Phated | amphi: Everything else seems to mostly be supported, not completely -well- supported, but mostly working, nonetheless. Anyways, I'm not asking for support atm, just enjoying IRC in bed. ;) |
| 18:16.54 | bob2 | hurry up and air the final dr who, bbc |
| 18:17.06 | bob2 | Phated: haha |
| 18:17.18 | Phated | Oooh, yeah, the final Dr Who! |
| 18:17.19 | bob2 | Phated: now you'll have bob2-itis, and never be able to get to sleep |
| 18:17.31 | jetx | ColonelKernel: i lost my example, something about -vo |
| 18:17.33 | Phated | bob2: Never! And who would want to, with a thinkpad for a bedpartner. ;) |
| 18:17.39 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 18:17.40 | amphi | Phated: everything works on this t42, FWIW - are you sure it's a scsi hd? |
| 18:17.56 | myren | whenever i'm on the road there are 200 packages i run into that i /need/ to install, but i can never remember which ones when i get home |
| 18:18.00 | Phated | amphi: When I tried Ubuntu on it, it appeared as scsi... Hang on, let me Device Manager it. |
| 18:18.10 | black13 | Phated, the theme music got hooked on electronic music |
| 18:18.15 | black13 | ages ago |
| 18:18.18 | ColonelKernel | jetx, im using -vo aa because I want ascii output |
| 18:18.19 | myren | hankfully i just remembered SMBFS |
| 18:18.19 | Phated | black13: Beh? |
| 18:18.46 | jetx | ColonelKernel: afaicr, only the svga one worked for me |
| 18:19.08 | wols_ | Phated: probably a SATA disk |
| 18:19.11 | Phated | amphi: It's a... Intel 82801 Ultra ATA Storage something. |
| 18:19.16 | Phated | wols_: Yeah, seems like it. |
| 18:19.20 | amphi | Phated: this has one has Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4) Ultra ATA Storage Controller |
| 18:19.20 | CaPu | hi again guys... i've got a Nvidia GeForce 6800GT - What driver should I select debian to run off? |
| 18:19.27 | Phated | I really know less than nothing about disk controllers. |
| 18:19.32 | amphi | Phated: ide |
| 18:19.32 | greycat | CaPu: install sarge, use the 'nv' driver if you don't need 3d. |
| 18:19.42 | jetx | CaPu: nv , but no 3d support |
| 18:19.53 | CaPu | so i couldn't possibly play games? :( |
| 18:19.55 | Phated | amphi: ah, hm, d-i errored when I tried to partition, though. |
| 18:19.58 | greycat | CaPu: which game? |
| 18:20.08 | jetx | CaPu: not with nv , but there are other options |
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| 18:20.15 | Phated | amphi: I'm going to need tg3 and ipw2200 to get online, though. :S |
| 18:20.17 | CaPu | not sure yet - i've got tonnes of stuff, gotta find what i can patch first :) |
| 18:20.18 | amphi | Phated: the sarge netinstall iso worked perfectly on this a few months ago |
| 18:20.26 | CaPu | ok jetx :), ty |
| 18:20.30 | CaPu | brb |
| 18:20.45 | amphi | Phated: ipw2200 works well here for me - using it atm |
| 18:20.47 | jetx | the nvidia-installer functions, but ppl say don't use it it will do horrible things to x one day |
| 18:20.58 | shingouz | Phated: i have had d-i error on me a few times on pure ide hardware and i think only the ppc thinkpads had scsi |
| 18:21.00 | jetx | there is also a debian version in non-free |
| 18:21.17 | Phated | amphi: Hmm. Well. It didn't on mine - I've tried. :| To be more specidic, it's an Intel 82801FBM. |
| 18:21.22 | jetx | that doesn't? |
| 18:21.36 | Phated | amphi: I was informed I'd need 2.6.10 or above to get that working. Which d-i doesn't have. :/ |
| 18:21.46 | black13 | are there anywasy to speed up squashfs' make of an image |
| 18:21.50 | shingouz | Phated: chroot install? |
| 18:22.03 | Phated | shingouz: dpkg factoid or link to further info? |
| 18:22.13 | shingouz | !chroot install |
| 18:22.13 | dpkg | chroot install is probably http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 18:22.16 | amphi | Phated: ah - I only tried since I built 2.6.11 - can you not use an ethernet connection to install? |
| 18:22.17 | shingouz | :) |
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| 18:22.53 | Phated | amphi: Is tg3 in the kernel, then? I have to confess, I've spent more time playing with it than googling for info about the hardware. :| |
| 18:22.53 | amphi | Phated: does the r52 have the intel gigabit nic? |
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| 18:23.03 | amphi | Phated: tg3? |
| 18:23.08 | Phated | amphi: Yeah, intel extreme gigabit something. |
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| 18:23.26 | ColonelKernel | mplayer -vo aa:help isnt working |
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| 18:23.35 | Phated | amphi: If some other module, loadable during install, works, then I'll gladly use it. |
| 18:23.36 | ColonelKernel | thats what it says to do in the manual for more aa options |
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| 18:24.13 | FieldySnuts | !confess |
| 18:24.16 | FieldySnuts | hrm |
| 18:24.16 | Phated | amphi: It has this cool keyboard light above the monitor, for when you have your TFT back and it can't light the kb? :) |
| 18:24.20 | SDFH_Linux | guys does linux do dual channel ram? |
| 18:24.21 | amphi | Phated: the e1000 driver works for me |
| 18:24.21 | tensegri | does anyone know about the sarge install process? |
| 18:24.32 | Phated | amphi: In d-i? |
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| 18:24.44 | amphi | Phated: yeah, IIRC |
| 18:24.46 | FieldySnuts | it's a matter of the motherboard doing the hardware support, and then the kernel supporting that chipset, that's all |
| 18:25.04 | main | What is the best way to install Debian without using ext2? |
| 18:25.06 | tensegri | I've been trying to do a sarge netinstall from the official bootcd, and it can't seem to find a package for the correct kernel. |
| 18:25.15 | amphi | Phated: yeah, mine has the handy light |
| 18:25.20 | Phated | amphi: I might try again tomorrow. I try to avoid bob2-itis. :) |
| 18:25.31 | amphi | bob2-itis? |
| 18:25.35 | Phated | amphi: I love the light, my mom's laptop doesn't have it and she's all jealous. |
| 18:25.48 | shingouz | amphi: sleeping with a laptop i guess |
| 18:25.48 | wols_ | main: install on reiser. or xfs. or... |
| 18:25.49 | Phated | amphi: Yeah, bob2 can't ever sleep because he has his laptop on all the time. ;) |
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| 18:25.59 | amphi | Phated: I saw someone with a usb one on a flexi stalk thing, if she really wants one |
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| 18:26.11 | main | I am booting Debian install CD on my x86, and the kernel doesn't support reiserfs, so how am I going to get it going on reiserfs? |
| 18:26.13 | amphi | Phated: heh - mine is always on, except for swsusp |
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| 18:26.28 | black13 | ok dhclient works, when run manually, but it mot be run from boot |
| 18:26.43 | wols_ | main: what version of debian is this? |
| 18:26.44 | Phated | amphi: I know they have those, but orange is SO much cooler, and it doesn't dim your screen when it's on. :) |
| 18:26.44 | valdyn | main: which debian CD? the latest stable sure does support reiserfs |
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| 18:26.53 | kbrooks | Have a question. Is it possible to dist-upgrade from <insert debian based distro here> to debian? |
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| 18:27.06 | valdyn | kbrooks: no |
| 18:27.06 | Phated | amphi: Besides, she never actually uses hers in the dark. :) |
| 18:27.06 | wols_ | kbrooks: no |
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| 18:27.11 | Phated | kbrooks: No. :) |
| 18:27.14 | amphi | Phated: orange? mine is white - orange must be a lenovo innovation ;) |
| 18:27.15 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hammer? |
| 18:27.15 | kbrooks | Why? |
| 18:27.15 | dpkg | i heard hammer is the thing if you have it, everything looks like a nail. |
| 18:27.19 | main | valdyn: It isn't the latest stable. |
| 18:27.26 | jetx | kbrooks: they say no. (hey try can't hurt) |
| 18:27.28 | valdyn | main: it certainly is |
| 18:27.29 | Phated | amphi: Yeh, it's cool! :) |
| 18:27.34 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 18:27.34 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 18:27.43 | SDFH_Linux | guys does linux do dual channel ram? |
| 18:27.49 | kbrooks | heh |
| 18:27.56 | valdyn | main: oh, misunderstood you.. why dont you use sarge then? |
| 18:28.00 | kbrooks | i losttt my sarge debian cd |
| 18:28.10 | shingouz | kbrooks: if you install it that way there is no way anyone can support that hybrid anymore, you will be on your own |
| 18:28.12 | amphi | Phated: is yours a pentium m also? |
| 18:28.12 | Phated | kbrooks: We say can't. "Hey try we'll pal when you can't." ;) |
| 18:28.29 | wols_ | kbrooks: then download a 30MB ISO and install it again |
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| 18:28.30 | main | I have Debian 2.0 install CD> |
| 18:28.38 | Phated | amphi: Yeah. I've heard about some cpu freq scaling issues? I'm not sure about those, though. |
| 18:28.44 | Phated | main: ... Woooo, potato! |
| 18:28.48 | Phated | Or was that slink... |
| 18:28.49 | main | Whoops, I mean 3.0. |
| 18:28.49 | valdyn | main: get the sarge netinstall and use that.. |
| 18:28.49 | FieldySnuts | badgerwangtek |
| 18:28.53 | main | Sorry. |
| 18:28.54 | shingouz | Phated: slink.... |
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| 18:29.12 | Phated | shingouz: Well, I'm not as old-skool as you lot, eh. I'm just not as old. ;) |
| 18:29.16 | valdyn | main: though installing woody w/ reiserfs is possible, its probably more pain than just grabbing sarge. |
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| 18:29.37 | kbrooks | sarge > woody |
| 18:29.38 | jetx | i thought you were a grandmother |
| 18:29.45 | jetx | like 86 years old |
| 18:29.49 | jetx | :p |
| 18:29.49 | amphi | Phated: works fine here AFAICS - seems pretty snappy, too, with 2MB cache |
| 18:29.50 | shingouz | Phated: i think i still have the slink cd's here but the first linux i ever installed was potato which had just been released |
| 18:29.54 | black13 | what starts dhclient |
| 18:30.11 | jetx | main: you don't believe in cd-rw's? |
| 18:30.21 | kbrooks | dist-upgrading |
| 18:30.26 | kbrooks | er |
| 18:30.29 | kbrooks | n/m |
| 18:30.30 | amphi | Phated: only thing that doesn't work is the trackpad that I disabled |
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| 18:30.48 | wols_ | main: you can install on ext2 and then upgrade those partitions easily to ext3 |
| 18:30.48 | shingouz | and trakcpads suck in anycase :p |
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| 18:30.56 | main | jetx: I don't have any. |
| 18:31.02 | jetx | ah |
| 18:31.06 | Phated | amphi: I think it uses the synaptics driver? |
| 18:31.13 | jetx | !info debtakeover |
| 18:31.19 | amphi | Phated: I disabled the revolting thing in the bios |
| 18:31.21 | usuario | hello! |
| 18:31.23 | CaPu | what command do i use to view the log file? cant work out what i've told it that's wrong :S |
| 18:31.24 | jetx | !debtakeover |
| 18:31.25 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 18:31.29 | Phated | shingouz: Heh, cool. I tried slink once, I think. When woody was current stable. :P |
| 18:31.29 | amphi | Phated: I like the stick thing in the keyboard |
| 18:31.44 | usuario | no hablo ingles |
| 18:31.49 | Phated | amphi: Does that work on synaptics too? I like both, personally. |
| 18:31.50 | jetx | !es |
| 18:31.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:32.01 | jetx | buena suerte |
| 18:32.05 | main | So the naming convention is... Sarge is 3.1, Sarge 3.0, Potato is older? |
| 18:32.06 | amphi | Phated: one thing to watch out for is pci power management in the bios - it messes with various things if it's on |
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| 18:32.09 | valdyn | CaPu: more,less,nano,vi,tail,whatever you like |
| 18:32.15 | wols_ | CaPu: and textviewer (less, cat, tail) will do |
| 18:32.20 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start an editor war |
| 18:32.22 | dpkg | nvi bites |
| 18:32.22 | shingouz | Phated: i still have nightmares about my first ever linux install on a Compaq Prosignia 486 with hardware raid. took ages to figure out how the hell it boots off the nd |
| 18:32.25 | CaPu | thankyou :) |
| 18:32.27 | amphi | Phated: dunno, I just use the ps/2 driver |
| 18:32.28 | Phated | amphi: Right, so disabling that fixes things? |
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| 18:32.32 | FieldySnuts | "bites" hehe |
| 18:32.35 | jetx | nedit is kinda weird |
| 18:32.36 | shingouz | i still have one of the prosignias here for that matter |
| 18:32.39 | Phated | amphi: Ah, hey, ps/2, even better. You use X? |
| 18:32.40 | jetx | but interesting |
| 18:32.41 | Phated | shingouz: Heh. |
| 18:32.44 | FieldySnuts | edlin ownz j00 |
| 18:32.50 | amphi | Phated: yeah - one thing having it on did was slow swsusp to a crawl |
| 18:32.56 | jetx | you love edlin |
| 18:32.57 | amphi | Phated: yeah |
| 18:33.02 | Phated | amphi: Ah. |
| 18:33.06 | amphi | Phated: with gpm as a repeater |
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| 18:33.08 | usuario | hablas español |
| 18:33.13 | jetx | !es |
| 18:33.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:33.14 | FieldySnuts | most interesting editor i've ever used was ed , try it sometime while trying to learn string editing |
| 18:33.22 | Phated | amphi: Ah, cool. |
| 18:33.30 | FieldySnuts | i can just picture sitting there editing files line by line with a line printer (no monitor) |
| 18:33.31 | usuario | puedes entenderme |
| 18:33.35 | Phated | I'd use GPM anyway, the console is painful without copy-paste. :) |
| 18:33.38 | jetx | cual parte de /join #debian-es esta la problema, usuario ? |
| 18:33.45 | shingouz | now id the bios would not just disable the trackpad but completely remove --purge it from the hardware |
| 18:33.47 | amphi | Phated: but I'm in console most of the time - the radeon fb driver seems to work well; 2.6.12 has some bugfixes for it, but I haven't tried it yet |
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| 18:34.20 | usuario | yo no escribi eso ,o sí? |
| 18:34.21 | amphi | Phated: the only other downer is no rpc-1 firmware 'upgrade' for the combo drive |
| 18:34.27 | Phated | amphi: I was never a fan of fb, but I have an ATI Mobility Radeon on this, I think - how well does that work in X? |
| 18:34.28 | FieldySnuts | speak fuckin ingles, puto |
| 18:34.32 | jetx | tu escribe en su 'irc client' |
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| 18:34.51 | usuario | como te llamas? |
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| 18:35.01 | amphi | Phated: the X radeon driver works fine AFAICS - no 3d accel, but I don't need that |
| 18:35.07 | shingouz | usuario: /join #debian-es |
| 18:35.08 | jetx | /join #debian-es <---usuario |
| 18:35.20 | amphi | Phated: I like 128x48 console |
| 18:35.20 | telpochyaotl | usuario: se te sugiere intentar /join debian-es para que estes en un grupo de hispano parlantes |
| 18:35.21 | wols_ | Phated: it's an ati. do I need to say more? |
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| 18:35.48 | jetx | ah good my conversational spanish was getting exhausted |
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| 18:35.53 | valdyn | some ati are supported very nicely |
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| 18:36.12 | shingouz | jetx: you have more spanish than i have in that case |
| 18:36.15 | amphi | Phated: 2d accel works fine, FWIW |
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| 18:36.35 | wols_ | valdyn: ati knows only one kind of 3D interface. and that is direct3d |
| 18:36.36 | valdyn | Phated: which mobility is it? |
| 18:36.38 | wols_ | for them, there is no other |
| 18:36.40 | jetx | shingouz: i can take your order for food in spanish though |
| 18:36.45 | jetx | oh boy |
| 18:36.49 | shingouz | una cerveza |
| 18:36.55 | jetx | !beer shingouz |
| 18:36.58 | goron | Is it possible to print a pdf without its background? And change the textcolor to black at the same time? I also have a .ppt of the same file (so if the same could be done with that file, it would be ok too) |
| 18:36.59 | magyar | how can I disable the "copyright" stuff from displaying when I log in to ssh terminal? |
| 18:37.42 | jetx | i drank 2 beers last night. and felt pretty drunk :/ |
| 18:37.50 | shingouz | magyar: edit the motd |
| 18:38.02 | jetx | /etc/motd |
| 18:38.03 | magyar | shingouz: roger |
| 18:38.52 | tensegri | how can I get my /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net to persist over reboots? |
| 18:39.01 | Phated | valdyn: 3000, I think. |
| 18:39.04 | jetx | ? |
| 18:39.08 | Phated | amphi: Ah, good enough for me. |
| 18:39.08 | jetx | issue? |
| 18:39.17 | FieldySnuts | yay |
| 18:39.19 | tensegri | take a look |
| 18:39.24 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a world war |
| 18:39.25 | ravenbird | Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians! |
| 18:39.27 | Phated | My wireless conked out. screen saves the day! |
| 18:39.34 | luulis | in some pam config file (which I cannot remember now) the motd can be disabled |
| 18:39.42 | tensegri | /etc/issue is what is printed before login |
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| 18:39.59 | jetx | man i never even saw that before. thanks. |
| 18:40.03 | Phated | valdyn: Sorry, x300. |
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| 18:40.05 | tensegri | auew |
| 18:40.20 | tensegri | jetx: the problem is that if you edit it on debian it seems to go abck after a reboot |
| 18:40.27 | tensegri | I just can't seem to figure out why |
| 18:40.50 | Phated | amphi: Does the drive itself work, though? Like, can you play DVDs and CDs and stuff? |
| 18:41.04 | Phated | amphi: Or does it not work at all? |
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| 18:42.12 | magyar | shingouz: how can i "comment" in motd? |
| 18:42.52 | shingouz | magyar: you cannot. whatever is in the file will be on screen at logon. make a copy of the motd if you want to keep it |
| 18:42.56 | Epod69 | i can't get module assistant to install nvidia =(, it says installation of nvidia-kernel-source failed, what could be wrong ? |
| 18:43.19 | valdyn | Epod69: why did it fail? what is the complete error message? |
| 18:43.55 | valdyn | Epod69: you might try 'apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source' manually to see |
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| 18:44.51 | Epod69 | it says installation of nvidia-kernel-source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives |
| 18:45.01 | Epod69 | i have nvidia-kernel-source installed |
| 18:45.07 | valdyn | Epod69: so go ahead do this |
| 18:45.27 | valdyn | !info nvidia-kernel-source sarge |
| 18:45.29 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 1361 kB, Installed size: 1404 kB |
| 18:45.34 | digitmaster | Hello anyone can help me please with a net problem ? |
| 18:45.48 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 18:45.48 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 18:45.49 | shingouz | !tell digitmaster about ask |
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| 18:45.57 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 18:46.01 | Lucatarik | Booyakasha! |
| 18:46.10 | Epod69 | valdyn, i said i have nvidia-kernel-source installed |
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| 18:46.25 | valdyn | Epod69: you could just build the source via m-a build nvidia i think, if you used m-a a-i it *might* try to grab the latest source from your mirror |
| 18:46.36 | freakje | hi guys, i have a weird problem, some ppl can't connect to my ftp who's running on my linux comp :( they get timeout, i checked iptables but no banned ip's there :s so i don't know why they get that ... any id's ? |
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| 18:47.00 | blackout | how can i get the libpthread developement files? What package are they a part of now? |
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| 18:47.09 | valdyn | Epod69: that doesn't tell me if its available for apt-get though, no idea if m-a a-i requires that. |
| 18:47.10 | main | digitmaster: A net problem? You have a hole in your fish net? I suggest replacing it. |
| 18:47.23 | Lucatarik | How i can share connection between Windows XP And debian 3.1? |
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| 18:47.46 | exobyte | sometimes I wish windows came with a good shell and various unix userland tools |
| 18:47.52 | tensegri | freakje: what ftp sever? |
| 18:47.55 | freakje | glftpd |
| 18:48.00 | Mr-R | exobyte: try cygwin |
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| 18:48.08 | jetx | mine stays |
| 18:48.10 | shingouz | main: it could also be what is left of a gross problem when the container has been removed |
| 18:48.10 | Epod69 | valdyn, i typed m-a build nvidia and it seems to be doing something now |
| 18:48.10 | jetx | rebooted 3 times just to check |
| 18:48.14 | exobyte | Mr-R: yeah.. I should |
| 18:48.23 | initech | what's the best place to put the xmotd command to display for all users on login? |
| 18:48.23 | Lucatarik | PS: i can't run linux in GUI |
| 18:48.24 | Epod69 | it says its done ! |
| 18:48.27 | tensegri | freakje: I don't know it. Can you see stuff in logs? |
| 18:48.32 | Lucatarik | i must do all things in console mode |
| 18:48.33 | jetx | !xwontstart |
| 18:48.33 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 18:48.39 | digitmaster | please help requested I have a network problem when I D/L something under debian it reach 500 Kb/sec under ubuntu 798 kb /sec ? anyone know why ? (I prefer stay under debian) |
| 18:48.40 | freakje | nop :( |
| 18:48.41 | valdyn | Epod69: the .deb file should be in /usr/src/ now iirc |
| 18:48.55 | Epod69 | so just dpkg the .deb ? |
| 18:49.02 | jetx | dpkg -i |
| 18:49.03 | Lucatarik | !xwontstart |
| 18:49.03 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 18:49.13 | myren | anyone know how gamin compares to fam? |
| 18:49.19 | Epod69 | thats one huge file name =) |
| 18:49.19 | valdyn | Epod69: im not sure why you dont just add non-free to your sources, its convenient |
| 18:49.25 | shingouz | digitmaster: absolutely same hardware on both systems? |
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| 18:49.35 | digitmaster | yep |
| 18:49.36 | Epod69 | valdyn, non-free is added to my sources |
| 18:49.42 | digitmaster | same machine |
| 18:49.43 | jetx | same system? |
| 18:49.44 | jetx | ya |
| 18:49.53 | valdyn | Epod69: oh, ok. |
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| 18:50.02 | pmak | there is any man pkg which have any developer manual? for example: i want to knwo the func to transform an char var to an int var, there is any pkg in debian to help me to search for those things? or i must have a tutorial from the web? |
| 18:50.03 | digitmaster | mandrake too reach 796 kb |
| 18:50.09 | shingouz | digitmaster: same mirror, same load on both boxes on either end of the network? |
| 18:50.11 | digitmaster | only debian doing that to me |
| 18:50.21 | digitmaster | yep shingouz |
| 18:50.29 | valdyn | digitmaster: try using a different kernel, which one are you using? |
| 18:50.32 | digitmaster | tried on same host |
| 18:50.48 | digitmaster | i tried kernel 2.6.8 an 2.6.10 and 2.6.11 |
| 18:50.55 | digitmaster | even 2.4.27 |
| 18:50.59 | valdyn | digitmaster: oh, now that is strange |
| 18:51.06 | digitmaster | yep |
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| 18:51.17 | tensegri | freakje: use a differnet ftp daemon? |
| 18:51.23 | main | Hmm, the Debian 3.1 boot floppy loads an old version of the Linux kernel with no reiserfs support. Does the Debian 3.1 install CD provide a newer kernel than the Debian 3.1 install floppies? |
| 18:51.31 | tensegri | I like vsftpd because it usually "just works" |
| 18:51.33 | digitmaster | could it be ipv6 or something like that ? |
| 18:51.47 | valdyn | digitmaster: there's no problem using an ubuntu kernel on debian afaik |
| 18:51.53 | jetx | main: 2.6 not available with floppies. type expert26 or linux26 at a cd boot: prompt |
| 18:52.05 | valdyn | digitmaster: however its probably not the kernel since you tried many.. |
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| 18:52.07 | main | jetx: Thanks |
| 18:52.10 | digitmaster | well it is just what i'm triying valdyn |
| 18:52.32 | digitmaster | kernel from ubuntu 2.6.8-5-686 |
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| 18:52.37 | Lucatarik | How i can share internet connection between Windows XP And debian 3.1? |
| 18:52.44 | digitmaster | will see in a while |
| 18:52.45 | jetx | a router |
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| 18:52.58 | valdyn | Lucatarik: which device is providing access to the internet? |
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| 18:53.13 | ak47 | hello, buddies |
| 18:53.34 | Lucatarik | the pc with linux |
| 18:53.47 | digitmaster | ? how to answer with username: in this chat |
| 18:53.47 | valdyn | !nat |
| 18:53.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more fexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 18:53.49 | ak47 | how to know Gnome's Version info ? |
| 18:54.13 | valdyn | ak47: gnome-about |
| 18:54.22 | digitmaster | Lucatarik : 2 ethernet card ? if so make a br0 device |
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| 18:54.46 | Lucatarik | no 1 ethernet card and 1 usb modem |
| 18:54.46 | jetx | i need to know how to get a linksys usb wireless to work. first, how do i get sarge to recognize the hw. what kind of modules am i looking to load. |
| 18:55.00 | magyar | shingouz: i also found out, that the use of ~/.hushlogin won't display motd |
| 18:55.01 | digitmaster | lucatarik same br0 |
| 18:55.29 | digitmaster | br device work even with wifi card |
| 18:55.31 | Lucatarik | what is br0? |
| 18:55.33 | digitmaster | usb all |
| 18:55.43 | jetx | digitmaster: type the first few letters, hit the tab key |
| 18:56.05 | digitmaster | Lucatarik, google is your friend |
| 18:56.22 | ak47 | valdyn, Gnome 2.8.3, the lastest GNome is ...? |
| 18:56.22 | digitmaster | Lucatarik, it's on file /etc/network |
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| 18:56.23 | Lucatarik | no it hate me ^_^ |
| 18:56.31 | valdyn | ak47: probably 2.10.1 |
| 18:56.35 | icyfire0573 | bridges aren't going to work if he only has one ip address available, he is going to need ipmasq (probably) |
| 18:56.39 | jetx | gnome.org |
| 18:56.47 | digitmaster | Lucatarik, you can set a route through 2 network device |
| 18:56.59 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a world war |
| 18:57.00 | ravenbird | Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians! |
| 18:57.02 | FieldySnuts | again? |
| 18:57.03 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a world war |
| 18:57.16 | digitmaster | Ha yes icyfire |
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| 18:57.21 | jetx | @start a world war |
| 18:57.22 | ravenbird | Israel kicks Saudi ass |
| 18:57.27 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 18:57.29 | digitmaster | sorry, :p it's not valid |
| 18:57.31 | ak47 | valdyn, thx, I should upgrade GNOME |
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| 18:57.45 | digitmaster | way luca |
| 18:57.53 | jetx | ak47: you would need outside sources for that i think |
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| 18:58.19 | Lucatarik | i found a guide |
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| 18:58.32 | valdyn | Lucatarik: something like ( iirc ) "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/8 -d 0.0.0.0/32" |
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| 18:58.49 | Lucatarik | it isn't better use samba? |
| 18:58.54 | FieldySnuts | for what |
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| 18:58.56 | jetx | ooo touch .hushlogin worked |
| 18:59.00 | ak47 | jetx, I am searching GNOME 2.10 's sources.list |
| 18:59.00 | E-bola | Hello chan |
| 18:59.04 | digitmaster | Lucatarik, the bridge should be a solution but listen the valdyn advice |
| 18:59.15 | digitmaster | Lucatarik, more efficient |
| 18:59.27 | valdyn | Lucatarik: haha, ops, no, that's not entirely correct. |
| 18:59.28 | E-bola | I was upgrading from woody to sarge, and in the process wanted to upgrade kernel + change from lilo to grub |
| 18:59.36 | E-bola | but after a reboot i see no bootloader menu just a bunch of 0's |
| 18:59.42 | E-bola | whats the best way for me to recover? |
| 18:59.49 | Lucatarik | k |
| 18:59.54 | [bono] | Question: Anyone knows why ddts is not supported anymore? |
| 19:00.00 | digitmaster | and i still don't have a clue on why internet is slower under debian than ubuntu :( |
| 19:00.19 | jetx | boot the woody cd: rescue root=/dev/whatever. then fix the symlinks in / to point to new kernel. then rerun lilo. |
| 19:00.23 | concept10 | digitmaster, what browser are you using? |
| 19:00.55 | digitmaster | concept10, not only a browser problem apt gftp all network apps |
| 19:00.58 | jetx | make sure in /etc/lilo.conf, you have initrd= , or don't, depending on if you use initrd |
| 19:01.14 | jetx | apt-get remove --purge grub too |
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| 19:01.17 | E-bola | jetx: but i want to use grub? |
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| 19:01.23 | jetx | ok then don't do that :) |
| 19:01.33 | E-bola | jetx: i got a sarge network install cd |
| 19:01.35 | E-bola | can i use that? |
| 19:01.41 | concept10 | digitmaster, i see.. could it be ipv6? |
| 19:01.51 | initech | strange, the sarge installer did not give me the option to use grub, only lilo ... has anyone else noticed this? |
| 19:02.12 | jetx | yes, what you do is boot the installer, take it up to the partitioning part, shell out, chroot, do things |
| 19:02.18 | digitmaster | concept10, maybe cause i see Ipv6 under Ipv4 tunneling at start and not under ubuntu |
| 19:02.19 | trave11er | initech: if you lower the debconf priority, it does offer a choice |
| 19:02.20 | E-bola | i tried that |
| 19:02.28 | valdyn | Lucatarik: 'apt-get install firestarter' is gui and easy, and not very sophisticated. |
| 19:02.32 | E-bola | to shell out of install |
| 19:02.40 | initech | trave11er: ? debconf? i was in the installer ... in expert mode |
| 19:02.42 | E-bola | but i have already uninstalled lilo |
| 19:02.53 | Lucatarik | ok |
| 19:02.58 | jetx | initech: here, expert26, i had a choice. another thing i noticed, is if it puts you in the default choice, and you hit 'go back', you see the list(default install) |
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| 19:03.12 | FieldySnuts | ok. that's a lot of swap Swap: 11397064 0 11397064 |
| 19:03.21 | trave11er | initech: installer's main menu has an option 'lower debconf priority' or somesuch |
| 19:03.22 | jetx | 11gigs? |
| 19:03.23 | initech | jetx: you think because my root fs is on an lvm might be the difference? |
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| 19:03.37 | jetx | i know nothing of lvm initech :/ |
| 19:03.38 | concept10 | valdyn, i use firestarter on my desktop install but could I use it on my server? I need to put a firewall on it. CLI only |
| 19:04.20 | digitmaster | "cries" why this debian D/L at 500 kb/sec |
| 19:04.30 | valdyn | concept10: ipmasq ( never used it, probably relatively easy ), shorewall ( nice and very sophisticated ) |
| 19:04.42 | digitmaster | amazing 3 weeks with no clue :( |
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| 19:05.05 | deadcat | how does the browser work with snownews? |
| 19:05.19 | concept10 | valdyn, thanks |
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| 19:05.25 | Lazurus_Long | Hey all |
| 19:05.25 | valdyn | concept10: apt-cache show ipmasq sais that it probably has nice defaults |
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| 19:05.45 | shingouz | magyar: thanks |
| 19:05.48 | initech | digitmaster: not sure off the bat, but I doubt it has anything to do with debian vs ubuntu, if this is plain ethernet. or is this pppoe, or what? |
| 19:05.59 | Lazurus_Long | I'm getting an error "Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap" and then my keyboard doesn't work when I startx. Can anyone help me? |
| 19:06.19 | digitmaster | initech, i'm under a router :p |
| 19:06.20 | Ra|mis | Why gnome show EEST time? I need UTC? How I can change this? |
| 19:06.25 | priest | have i understand things right that debians kernel-images dosn't have support for loop-aes? |
| 19:06.47 | digitmaster | initech, plus winxp doing that too |
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| 19:07.04 | Vasilea | <<>> how does one change the window manager? |
| 19:07.13 | initech | digitmaster: shit I wish I had your problems :) |
| 19:07.15 | deadcat | priest: not into dm-crypt? |
| 19:07.18 | Epod69 | is there a way to reboot or shutdown the computer from kde ? |
| 19:07.20 | valdyn | Ra|mis: run base-config |
| 19:07.24 | digitmaster | initech, limit to 500 kb /sec but ubuntu or mandriva going to 796 kb /sec |
| 19:07.54 | priest | deadcat: what do you mean? i'm trying to encrypt a partition via loop-device with aes |
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| 19:08.19 | digitmaster | initech, i'm not really good but before i never ask i find my way but at this time and after 3 weeks |
| 19:08.27 | deadcat | priest: search dm-crypt online. |
| 19:08.31 | digitmaster | initech, my arms are heavy |
| 19:08.34 | mohohaha | whats up newbies |
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| 19:09.32 | digitmaster | well well, I don't want go on ubuntu !! fglrx are too old !!! |
| 19:10.05 | Radiance | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.18 | Radiance | can some one tell what i'm not seeing ? |
| 19:10.27 | Radiance | (/dev/ support and automount enabled in the kernel) |
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| 19:11.02 | Lazurus_Long | mohahaha: I'm getting an error "Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap" and then my keyboard doesn't work when I startx. Any ideas? |
| 19:11.29 | Lazurus_Long | s/mohahaha/mohohaha |
| 19:11.35 | digitmaster | Lazurus_Long, ah the gnome problem |
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| 19:11.47 | wintix | is someone here who could objectivly explain me why its better to use debian instead of suse as server in an production environment on the interner? |
| 19:11.47 | Lazurus_Long | digitmaster: icewm, but yeah... |
| 19:12.00 | valdyn | Radiance: why are you using devfs? |
| 19:12.05 | exobyte | let's say I have an executable with a value in the program in initially set to 160 (hex a0) on x86 (little endian). should I see 0000 00 |
| 19:12.09 | exobyte | A0 |
| 19:12.09 | exobyte | somwhere? |
| 19:12.14 | initech | wintix: that's a long list |
| 19:12.16 | digitmaster | Lazurus_Long, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 keymap xfree86 |
| 19:12.18 | valdyn | Radiance: custom ( ill configured ) kernel ? |
| 19:12.22 | digitmaster | Lazurus_Long, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:12.24 | bucky | wintix, please call the Novell help desk |
| 19:12.26 | Radiance | valdyn, yes custom |
| 19:12.30 | digitmaster | Lazurus_Long, and after you answer |
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| 19:12.34 | wintix | bucky: lol. |
| 19:12.34 | Radiance | valdyn, it's a server i'm working on remotely |
| 19:12.41 | digitmaster | Lazurus_Long, xfree86 in keymap |
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| 19:12.56 | luulis | Radiance: 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:12.57 | digitmaster | Lazurus_Long, I had it too |
| 19:12.58 | initech | wintix: suse tries to wipe your ass for you and wind up getting in your way. you're eventually going to hit a wall with that damn yast abomination. when you do, you have your answer |
| 19:13.03 | icyfire0573 | wintix, 2 quick points, 1 i think debian supports its releases longer, 2 debians packages are older but mot tested to be stable |
| 19:13.04 | Radiance | luulis, 2.6 |
| 19:13.06 | Lazurus_Long | digitmaster: that's the only ruleset available (besides sun and sgi) |
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| 19:13.23 | Raiden | just stoppin by to say i stepped to debian from gentoo :| |
| 19:13.29 | Raiden | is that good ? |
| 19:13.31 | Raiden | :D |
| 19:13.40 | beardy | wintix: This is not the place for objectivity (which place is..?) Read a lot yourself about your choices. Test things. And lastly, Go with Debian. |
| 19:13.42 | darius | hi all |
| 19:13.42 | bucky | Raiden, how's Daniel? |
| 19:13.47 | digitmaster | Lazurus_Long, well i don't know I removed problem on my gnome to the same msg with that |
| 19:13.56 | initech | wintix: with suse if one goes outside the narrow parameters YAST sets for you, you are screwed |
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| 19:14.00 | luulis | Radiance: in debian udev is apparently default when using 2.6 .. |
| 19:14.03 | luulis | !debian kernel image |
| 19:14.04 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 19:14.06 | Raiden | bucky, daniel ? |
| 19:14.07 | Lazurus_Long | digitmaster: still the same thing... |
| 19:14.14 | bucky | Raiden, how's Daniel Robbins |
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| 19:14.33 | priest | deadcat: is dm-crypt only for 2.6-kernels? |
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| 19:14.41 | Raiden | bucky, dunno, still in depth ? |
| 19:14.52 | Radiance | luulis, well, i know what i'm doing but i didn't expect to encounter. You know a quick way to resolve it ? |
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| 19:15.03 | bucky | Raiden, he's your gentoo buddy that went to work for microsoft |
| 19:15.08 | digitmaster | Lazurus_Long, sorry |
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| 19:15.31 | valdyn | Radiance: how about simply not creating custom device nodes? |
| 19:15.32 | luulis | Radiance: well if you really dont have any special reason to not use kernel images you should use them |
| 19:15.35 | bobessutio | I compiled a kernel using kernel-package, but it panics on boot, unable to find the root partition |
| 19:15.39 | Lazurus_Long | digitmaster: no worries |
| 19:15.42 | deadcat | priest: yes. 2.6.4 or above |
| 19:15.47 | Raiden | bucky, and ? does that affect me ? |
| 19:15.47 | wintix | thank ya all for the answers debian <-> suse :) i prefer debian but i have to convince somebody of debian. |
| 19:15.54 | Radiance | valdyn, how about you keep your preferences for yourself ? |
| 19:15.54 | valdyn | Radiance: on the other hand, youre probably even better off using debian kernels |
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| 19:15.58 | digitmaster | (afk) |
| 19:16.00 | graeme | Is there a tool that searches through your packages and finds the ones that are dependencies of things you don't have installed anymore? |
| 19:16.01 | sawyer_x | hi all |
| 19:16.06 | valdyn | Radiance: that has nothing to do with preferences |
| 19:16.11 | initech | bobessutio: well, pal, you forgot to compile something in you need in order for the kernel image to see your root fs |
| 19:16.15 | sawyer_x | one problem: i've installed debian sid |
| 19:16.15 | xirtam | what is the gpg key for apt-get .... ? |
| 19:16.16 | icyfire0573 | bobessutio, do you have support for the fs compiled into the kernel |
| 19:16.16 | valdyn | Radiance: its an easy solution. |
| 19:16.18 | shingouz | bobessutio: compile all the drivers you need to access the root filesystem statically into the kernel or use an initrd |
| 19:16.18 | Radiance | valdyn, i'm kinda fed up with lamers saying how godlike standard kernels are which come with the installation. |
| 19:16.20 | deadcat | how do i change the default color in snownews? theres only 4 color options in colors file but i need few more options. |
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| 19:16.27 | bobessutio | initech: lol |
| 19:16.31 | resiak | graeme: deborphan, debfoster |
| 19:16.37 | sawyer_x | but now i only get black, dos-like screen |
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| 19:16.47 | valdyn | Radiance: you can sure also read up on devfs, but this isnt the place really, google knows. |
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| 19:16.51 | sawyer_x | how do i get kde running? |
| 19:16.55 | Radiance | valdyn, so if you're here just to waste my time about why i need this or that then just say so, you're costing me. |
| 19:16.56 | resiak | graeme: You also might want to look at aptitude |
| 19:16.56 | graeme | resiak: deborphan, that's the word i couldn't remember |
| 19:16.56 | Lucatarik | I can use my VERY old S3 Trio64 1Mb Ram with xserver??? |
| 19:16.58 | priest | deadcat: then why isn't loop-aes built-in in the 2.4-kernel image? |
| 19:16.58 | Radiance | & |
| 19:16.59 | bobessutio | shingouz: aha, what is initrd? |
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| 19:17.17 | bucky | Radiance, the install kernel does one thing.. gets the system installed... then it's up to you to figure out what kind of cpu you have and upgrade to the appropriate kernel |
| 19:17.25 | sawyer_x | startx won't run |
| 19:17.26 | shingouz | bobessutio: just compile them statically in that case. better yet, use a debian kernel image |
| 19:17.36 | deadcat | priest: 2.4 uses cryptoloop |
| 19:17.39 | resiak | sawyer_x: Why are you running Sid if you don't understand that? |
| 19:17.53 | sawyer_x | i just tried it out |
| 19:17.53 | bobessutio | shingouz: hehe, ok, thanks |
| 19:17.57 | sawyer_x | but i get no gui |
| 19:18.00 | poco | hi, im trying to use kde3.4 |
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| 19:18.07 | sawyer_x | sid would be 3.1, right? |
| 19:18.11 | greycat | Lucatarik: why not just strap an etch-a-sketch to the side of your computer? would be better. |
| 19:18.13 | resiak | sawyer_x: No |
| 19:18.26 | sawyer_x | then i got 3.1 |
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| 19:18.38 | resiak | !faq sawyer_x |
| 19:18.38 | dpkg | sawyer_x: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:18.42 | sawyer_x | but startx won't run |
| 19:18.45 | Lucatarik | greycat wat? |
| 19:18.50 | Lucatarik | what |
| 19:18.58 | poco | i added "deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./" to my apt.conf |
| 19:19.03 | sawyer_x | !faq |
| 19:19.03 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:19.10 | poco | but trying apt-get dist-upgrabe |
| 19:19.22 | shingouz | sawyer_x: read the damn link from there |
| 19:19.23 | resiak | poco: sources.list |
| 19:19.30 | sawyer_x | k |
| 19:19.39 | shingouz | sawyer_x: also, what error did you get when you tried to use startx? |
| 19:19.42 | poco | tell me the 12 packages of kde are not upgraded |
| 19:19.46 | resiak | poco: sources.list |
| 19:19.46 | poco | dont know why |
| 19:19.48 | poco | resiak ? |
| 19:19.52 | resiak | poco ! |
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| 19:19.54 | sawyer_x | command not found |
| 19:19.59 | sawyer_x | bash$ |
| 19:20.03 | resiak | poco: You want sources.list, not apt.conf |
| 19:20.04 | FieldySnuts | !give you a clue |
| 19:20.06 | dpkg | give you a clue |
| 19:20.12 | FieldySnuts | grr |
| 19:20.13 | priest | deadcat: i'm trying to use losetup with aes, but it isn't working, must i load some module? |
| 19:20.13 | poco | resiak, yes, i have got the same line in that file |
| 19:20.26 | poco | resiak, even if i dont pu it myself here :/ |
| 19:20.27 | resiak | poco: apt-get update ? |
| 19:20.28 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: literal give? |
| 19:20.29 | ravenbird | "give" is "the channel flag" |
| 19:20.33 | sawyer_x | opun install, i chose " desktop environment" |
| 19:20.38 | resiak | !tell poco |
| 19:20.43 | resiak | !tell poco -about enter |
| 19:20.46 | resiak | !tell me -about enter |
| 19:20.47 | poco | resiak, ah no, i put this line here |
| 19:20.57 | deadcat | priest: i use dm-crypt, so i load dm_crypt and aes |
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| 19:21.29 | priest | deadcat: but i'm using 2.4 |
| 19:21.39 | sawyer_x | i get it. install server, then see |
| 19:21.40 | deadcat | priest: cryptoloop is a module.. |
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| 19:21.42 | sawyer_x | x-server |
| 19:21.54 | resiak | !faq sawyer_x |
| 19:21.55 | dpkg | sawyer_x: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:21.59 | resiak | :) |
| 19:22.04 | priest | deadcat: i don't have any module named cryptoloop |
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| 19:22.38 | bucky | deadcat, doesn't knoppix use cryptoloop ? |
| 19:22.52 | poco | so, could anyone explain me why the apt-get dist-upgrade command tell me "The following packages have been kept back: arts, ..." and "12 not upgraded." even if i add the kde line into my sources.list ? the dist-upgrade cmd also break my kde3.3 system (menu is now empty) |
| 19:23.08 | deadcat | bucky: no clue. you mean cloop? |
| 19:23.13 | valdyn | poco: in sid? |
| 19:23.19 | poco | valdyn, no |
| 19:23.22 | sawyer_x | k, resiak, dpkg, tnx a lot! |
| 19:23.27 | deadcat | priest: debian kernel? i think you hae to patch it. |
| 19:23.36 | valdyn | poco: what then? |
| 19:23.40 | shingouz | sawyer_x: dpkg is a bot |
| 19:23.57 | Eclipser | !tnx |
| 19:23.58 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 19:24.11 | priest | deadcat: yes, a debian kernel, and it's really bad if i must patch it to get cryptoloop, i don't understand why it doesn't have it? |
| 19:24.11 | bucky | dpkg tell sawyer_x you're a bot |
| 19:24.26 | sawyer_x | hahahahahaha |
| 19:24.34 | jetx | doesn't sound correct |
| 19:24.35 | sawyer_x | we're in the matrix |
| 19:24.37 | shingouz | !botsnack |
| 19:24.38 | sawyer_x | :) |
| 19:24.47 | seven_six_two | if anyone is interested, I started a public gnocatan server, North American map. it's posted on meta-server if you want to play! |
| 19:24.49 | jetx | priest: look around with modconf |
| 19:24.49 | valdyn | poco: might help if you paste your sources.list in #flood |
| 19:24.55 | bucky | priest, did you upgrade your kernel since you installed? |
| 19:24.59 | jetx | apt-get install modconf if you need to |
| 19:25.18 | priest | bucky: no..the standard-image |
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| 19:25.23 | deadcat | priest: then get a 2.6 kernel. it has dm-crypt |
| 19:25.28 | bucky | priest, that's why |
| 19:25.47 | priest | bucky: so which kernel has cryptoloop? |
| 19:26.02 | sawyer_x | do i have to install any videocard drivers during this process? |
| 19:26.04 | bucky | priest, all of them except the install kernel |
| 19:26.05 | jetx | you sure you can't load the module? |
| 19:26.09 | jetx | ah |
| 19:26.57 | bucky | sawyer_x, you might.. what kind of card do you have? |
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| 19:27.12 | wintix | does the nvidia driver support dual monitors? |
| 19:27.19 | sawyer_x | radeon aiw 9600 pro |
| 19:27.25 | deadcat | wintix: yes |
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| 19:27.41 | deadcat | priest: cryptoloop is deprecated anyway. just get a 2.6 and use dm-crypt |
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| 19:27.51 | mond0 | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 19:27.59 | wintix | deadcat: is there a hwoto somewhere? i just googled around a bit but didnt find something good |
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| 19:28.19 | valdyn | sawyer_x: your card should be supported by the free one included in xserver-xfree86 so you only have to pick, not install that one. |
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| 19:28.47 | luulis | sawyer_x: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 19:28.47 | deadcat | wintix: sh.nu/nvidia or you can borrow my XFree86Config-4 file |
| 19:28.58 | sawyer_x | tnx alot, valdin, bucky, shingouz, resiak, even dpkg! u guys rock! |
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| 19:29.10 | shingouz | sawyer_x: thanks |
| 19:29.12 | sawyer_x | u too luulis! |
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| 19:29.22 | bucky | !bite sawyer_x |
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| 19:29.31 | shingouz | dpkg: botsnack |
| 19:29.48 | sawyer_x | :) |
| 19:29.53 | wintix | deadcat: i'll let u know if i need it, thanks :) |
| 19:29.58 | deadcat | k |
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| 19:30.39 | sawyer_x | after, apt get install kde, repository http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ right? |
| 19:30.52 | mops | I want to be a debian developer, but I don't know if I'm enough good for that, what should I do? |
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| 19:31.23 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 19:31.23 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
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| 19:32.11 | luulis | sawyer_x: only if you want kde 3.4 sarge has 3.3 and that should be more stable |
| 19:32.27 | sawyer_x | bleeding edge i want to be |
| 19:32.38 | sawyer_x | 3.4 it is! |
| 19:32.38 | poco | hi |
| 19:32.41 | sawyer_x | :) |
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| 19:33.03 | sawyer_x | tnx 4 all the help! it's been invaluable! |
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| 19:33.11 | sawyer_x | later all! |
| 19:33.35 | poco | is it possible to use kde 3.4.1 with a powerpc running debian without compiling it ? if yes with which version (stable/unstable/testing/...)? |
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| 19:36.03 | resiak | !topicsmite poco |
| 19:36.04 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon poco. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:36.41 | azol | poco: http://wiki.debian.net/DebianKDE |
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| 19:36.59 | mond0 | trying to make a zabbix client; any idea why the configure script yields: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 19:37.23 | icyfire0573 | mond0, non-writable directory? |
| 19:37.32 | nickv111|Laptop | Hello |
| 19:37.38 | tcsetattr | !b-e mond0 |
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| 19:37.39 | dpkg | mond0: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 19:37.59 | nickv111|Laptop | For some reason, firefox crashes upon loading websites with java applets, regardless of if I have a Java plugin or not |
| 19:38.14 | nickv111|Laptop | I am running debian on powerpc |
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| 19:38.27 | deadcat | nickv111|Laptop: same here (= |
| 19:38.44 | nickv111|Laptop | Unfortunately, I get compile errors when trying to compile it for myself in order to get proper debug output |
| 19:38.51 | deadcat | nickv111|Laptop: but not the crashing part though |
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| 19:39.08 | nickv111|Laptop | deadcat: Hmm? |
| 19:39.38 | deadcat | nickv111|Laptop: no crashing here. |
| 19:39.49 | nickv111|Laptop | deadcat: So, what's the problem, then? |
| 19:39.52 | priest | deadcat: does dm-crypt support 512 bits AES? |
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| 19:40.06 | deadcat | priest: thats up to aes |
| 19:40.19 | deadcat | nickv111|Laptop: i am using sid. try the firefox from sid maybe. |
| 19:40.25 | nickv111|Laptop | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=270822 |
| 19:40.27 | priest | deadcat: in a debian kernel image? |
| 19:40.29 | nickv111|Laptop | deadcat: I am using sid |
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| 19:40.37 | deadcat | priest: dont know |
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| 19:40.40 | priest | ok |
| 19:41.14 | shingouz | nickv111|Laptop: i installed firefox today on intel Sid, works well fwiw |
| 19:41.36 | resiak | nickv111|Laptop: Then you're really on your own. See the topic? :) |
| 19:41.45 | deadcat | been using firefox on ppc and no problem at all |
| 19:42.29 | nickv111|Laptop | resiak: It happened for me with older versions, too |
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| 19:42.35 | nickv111|Laptop | resiak: So, it's not only sid |
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| 19:43.24 | resiak | nickv111|Laptop: I was being a bastard, don't take me seriously |
| 19:43.27 | quittt | why base-config is confliting with tasksel? |
| 19:44.23 | valdyn | quittt: only with tasksel << 2.00 |
| 19:44.39 | valdyn | !info tasksel sarge |
| 19:44.41 | mborohovski | trave11er: ping |
| 19:44.45 | dpkg | tasksel: (Tool for selecting tasks for installation on Debian system), section base, is optional. Version: 2.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 132 kB, Installed size: 1308 kB |
| 19:45.11 | quittt | oh it is optional |
| 19:45.25 | nickv111|Laptop | BTW, the problem doesn't occur with regular mozilla web browser, only firefox |
| 19:45.37 | valdyn | quittt: it just does not conflict with the tasksel in sarge.. |
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| 19:45.43 | freakje | whats the command again to see what a pid does ? :s |
| 19:45.56 | quittt | valdyn, but in etch it does... |
| 19:46.00 | quittt | !info tasksel etch |
| 19:46.06 | dpkg | tasksel: (Tool for selecting tasks for installation on Debian system), section base, is important. Version: 2.24 (etch), Packaged size: 132 kB, Installed size: 1308 kB |
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| 19:46.26 | quittt | valdyn, do you know what I think |
| 19:46.37 | priest | is there any processes which is using the /var-directory in runlevel 1? |
| 19:46.38 | quittt | I think tasksel will be used over base-config in etch |
| 19:47.57 | valdyn | quittt: possibly, but it will be fixed i assume |
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| 19:48.22 | poco | sorry to always talk about my kde3.4 problem but still not solved : i try to add the line i read on every link, "deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./", but it doesnt seems to solve my problem, apt-get dist-upgrade still doesnt want to play and just gives me a "The following packages have been kept back:". Note that i'm using a testing debian (was sarge, i suppose it switch to etch) |
| 19:48.38 | greycat | priest: lsof or fuser would say... |
| 19:48.49 | quittt | valdyn, but there is no problem to remove base-config |
| 19:48.51 | quittt | I removed it |
| 19:48.52 | quittt | hehe |
| 19:49.26 | valdyn | quittt: sure, not for you, some people might need it though. |
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| 19:49.42 | quittt | do you know what is it for? |
| 19:49.47 | quittt | it is for Debian instalation |
| 19:49.53 | quittt | and its initial configuration |
| 19:50.05 | quittt | you dont need it anymore since everything is installed |
| 19:50.22 | mond0 | tcsetattr, thank you. needed build-essentials, as assumed |
| 19:50.32 | poco | i suppose it is because i'm using a powerpc ? |
| 19:50.34 | valdyn | poco: i see no ppc packages there.. |
| 19:50.40 | greycat | it's also for lusers who can't manage to edit interfaces by hand |
| 19:50.42 | resiak | It is a frontend for configuring the base packages at any time. |
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| 19:50.55 | valdyn | poco: so the _all packages might be confusing your dependencies, which cannot be solved due to missing ppc packages.. |
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| 19:51.16 | quittt | greycat, hehe |
| 19:51.28 | poco | valdyn, mmm... does it mean there are no ppc packages for kde3.4 on debian? |
| 19:51.40 | FieldySnuts | kde 3.4 in debian, giggle |
| 19:51.41 | valdyn | poco: probably,likely, yes |
| 19:52.07 | valdyn | poco: rove that repositor anywy, having i386 repositories wont do you any good |
| 19:52.11 | valdyn | s/rove/remove/ |
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| 19:52.39 | poco | valdyn, thanks |
| 19:52.49 | ralf | FieldySnuts: sure? |
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| 19:53.47 | poco | FieldySnuts, what do you mean by : "kde 3.4 in debian, giggle" ??? |
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| 19:54.47 | FieldySnuts | !badgersmite poco |
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| 19:56.08 | poco | FieldySnuts, i think a plain rtfm wont be of any help |
| 19:56.10 | mond0 | if i just create an /etc/rc.local, will it be sourced at startup? |
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| 19:56.20 | deadcat | mond0: no. man update-rc.d |
| 19:56.26 | poco | FieldySnuts, i cant find this kde3.4 package for ppc anywhere |
| 19:56.52 | resiak | WHAT A SHAME! |
| 19:56.59 | poco | FieldySnuts, and i know you can use a bot to rtfm also |
| 19:57.14 | shingouz | poco: this might be news to you but kde 3.4 is not really packaged yet |
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| 19:57.43 | resiak | poco: Did you /msg dpkg kde3.4 as the topic says? |
| 19:57.59 | poco | pleeeeeeeease stop the rtfm |
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| 19:58.07 | poco | i tried google, the bot, the subject, ... |
| 19:58.08 | tcsetattr | touch /etc/rc.boot/local ; ln /etc/rc.boot/local /etc/rc.local # Now rc.local works as it should. |
| 19:58.10 | sideone | how do i install ncurses-devel, idont see it in apt |
| 19:58.22 | sideone | Linux scratchy 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:58.36 | sideone | i also need a good guide to debian kernel install and config, for a dell server would be even better. |
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| 19:58.37 | sideone | thx |
| 19:58.38 | shingouz | poco: the problem here is that the packages are not done yet, that is a big thing with install troubles |
| 19:58.46 | mort_ | sideone: read the FAQ |
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| 19:59.15 | valdyn | sideone: 'apt-cache search ncurses dev' |
| 19:59.20 | Milhouse | I plan to put debian on one of my boxes. I should be downloading 3.1_r0 correct ? |
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| 19:59.30 | shingouz | Milhouse: r0a |
| 19:59.41 | deadcat | how does the browser option work in snownews? |
| 19:59.46 | resiak | poco: And that's what the bot's link tells you: it's _not_ _done_ _yet_ |
| 19:59.47 | sideone | valdyn, hmm i dont have that |
| 19:59.55 | poco | shingouz, thanks, i will switch to kubuntu so |
| 20:00.01 | shingouz | !clue poco |
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| 20:00.07 | poco | because on this fucking old ppc i cant use a debian |
| 20:00.12 | poco | s/debian/gentoo |
| 20:00.25 | shingouz | poco: we do not care even if you use windows |
| 20:00.26 | valdyn | sideone: don't have what? |
| 20:00.33 | beardy | !irritate poco |
| 20:00.34 | dpkg | poco: wenas who uses sound !!!1 |
| 20:00.35 | Milhouse | okay second question: I just need to download the first cd correct? Then just apt to get all the stuff correct ? |
| 20:00.42 | shingouz | Milhouse: yes |
| 20:00.46 | sideone | valdyn, anything that matches ncurses/dev. |
| 20:01.03 | valdyn | sideone: apt-get update |
| 20:01.11 | valdyn | sideone: are you running debian? |
| 20:01.13 | sideone | thx. |
| 20:01.19 | sideone | forgot the update. |
| 20:01.24 | sideone | just getting back into deb |
| 20:01.41 | shingouz | poco: you can use debian on the fucking old ppc if you just stay off stuff that is not done yet. if oyu really want to run something that has to be compiled out of source you are better off with gentoo, simple as that |
| 20:01.42 | sideone | is there a deb program for kernel compiling? |
| 20:01.53 | shingouz | !tell sideone about kp |
| 20:01.53 | sideone | and config. |
| 20:01.55 | ralf | kernel-package? |
| 20:02.09 | sideone | wicked. thanks shin. |
| 20:02.15 | Milhouse | last question. I have a dell Intel® Celeron® processor, 325, 2.53GHz, 512KB Cache, 533MHz FSB server, (set up for software raid) Should I be getting the i386 arch image? |
| 20:02.17 | resiak | poco: You make the mistake of assuming we give a shit what you use. We're just telling you the facts about Debian. |
| 20:02.19 | poco | shingouz, are you copying line from google? |
| 20:02.29 | shingouz | sideone: unless you *really* need a custom kernel get a debian one. /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 20:02.34 | valdyn | Milhouse: yes |
| 20:02.36 | shingouz | poco: no, i just made it up |
| 20:02.46 | hid3 | I'm trying to run command 'setuidgid qmaild /var/qmail/bin/qmail-scanner-queue.pl -g' but I get "Can't do setuid (cannot exec sperl)".. What is wrong here? |
| 20:02.50 | skinny | hi there! I just boot on 2.6.12 with my new t43p. It has a SATA hd (sdaX). The hdparm is really good, but I have a problem. I do not know how to see witch device has my cdrom. (hdc, scd does not funciotn). any idea? |
| 20:02.53 | Milhouse | valdyn- what are all these other ones for? |
| 20:02.57 | shingouz | poco: why? |
| 20:03.00 | sideone | kp mantra |
| 20:03.02 | valdyn | Milhouse: like? |
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| 20:03.08 | Milhouse | alpha |
| 20:03.12 | greycat | skinny: dmesg | grep CD |
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| 20:03.17 | valdyn | Milhouse: different architectures |
| 20:03.17 | shingouz | sideone: /msg dkpg kp mantra |
| 20:03.32 | valdyn | Milhouse: debian supports 11 cpu architectures atm |
| 20:03.45 | poco | valdyn, :p |
| 20:03.45 | Milhouse | okay, and with this softare raid I plan to have, is there anything special that I have to do during installation |
| 20:03.47 | shingouz | sideone: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 20:03.50 | shingouz | even.. |
| 20:03.51 | sideone | !tell sideone about mantra |
| 20:04.07 | sideone | :) |
| 20:04.13 | Milhouse | or is setting up the software raid more of a post installation thinger |
| 20:04.21 | skinny | greycat, mhh nothig interessant! |
| 20:04.29 | shingouz | Milhouse: uh.. i think you are best off if you keep /boot and / on a non raid partition really |
| 20:04.56 | skinny | I mean the output does not show my Dvd-rom |
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| 20:05.06 | nvz | Milhouse: you should keep your critical system files needed to simply boot and recover the system off the raid, and you can configure it in the installer |
| 20:05.19 | skinny | cdrecord -scanbus show this 0,0,0 0) 'ATA ' 'HTS726060M9AT00 ' 'MH4O' Disk |
| 20:05.25 | E-bola | how does debian know if its stable or testing? |
| 20:05.32 | E-bola | i use base-config to update apt config |
| 20:05.37 | E-bola | and it configs it with testing? |
| 20:05.55 | Blissex | E-bola: it does not unless you tell APT |
| 20:06.10 | E-bola | Blissex: what decides if base-config uses stable or testing then? |
| 20:06.10 | Milhouse | shingouz - I wish I could do hardware raid too but the controllers are costly |
| 20:06.15 | shingouz | E-bola: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:06.17 | Blissex | E-bola: APT will use whatever newest package is in the sources |
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| 20:06.27 | E-bola | i know i can decide it myself in sources |
| 20:06.31 | Blissex | E-bola: unless you use version pinning in '/etc/apt.conf' |
| 20:06.33 | shingouz | Milhouse: i run ancient servers as desktops, that is how i have the raid |
| 20:06.36 | E-bola | but base-config must know it from somewhere? |
| 20:06.40 | Blissex | E-bola: unless you use version pinning in '/etc/apt/apt.conf' |
| 20:06.44 | Milhouse | shingouz- so I should have 3 paritions, two raid ones, one which mirrors the other and another non raid parition that has / and /boot ? |
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| 20:06.57 | shingouz | E-bola: you installing sarge off the 3.1_r0 cd? |
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| 20:07.06 | E-bola | shingouz: its complecated hehe |
| 20:07.17 | E-bola | i was upgrading woody to sarge with apt |
| 20:07.23 | E-bola | then i wanted to throw a new kernel 0 grub on |
| 20:07.27 | E-bola | and it failed and i couldnt boot |
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| 20:07.49 | shingouz | Milhouse: yes, i would do it that way. the raid partitions should sit on different drives though so with that plan you should have three drives minimum imho |
| 20:07.49 | E-bola | then i tried to install base system from an old sarge net install cd i had, but it wouldnt install a boot laoder, i then finally fixed it with a rescue disk |
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| 20:07.55 | Blissex | E-bola: read some of the stuff in http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ and use 'aptitude' instead of 'apt-get' |
| 20:07.57 | E-bola | but now it seems debian thinks sarge= testing |
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| 20:08.07 | E-bola | cuz it must have gotten some settings form the old sarge net install cd |
| 20:08.27 | Blissex | E-bola: 'aptitude' has a nice '-t' parameter to which you can pass the ''target'' edition independently of what's in '/etc/apt/apt.conf' |
| 20:08.35 | shingouz | E-bola: the netinstall cd has some settings at least |
| 20:08.46 | E-bola | hmmm |
| 20:08.52 | E-bola | apt-conf sets default release as stable |
| 20:08.57 | Milhouse | shingouz- Hmm I only have two sata drives in the server. I do have a few ide ones kicking around. |
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| 20:09.26 | shingouz | Milhouse: i know absolutely nothing about SATA and even less about software raid to tell you the truth |
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| 20:09.36 | E-bola | thats why i dont get why base-configs uses testing sources for source.lst |
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| 20:10.41 | Milhouse | shing -alright, I'm glad you pointed it out though, I'll see what I can do with this to make is somewhat redudant. |
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| 20:10.54 | shingouz | !tell Milhouse about nicktab |
| 20:11.17 | shingouz | Milhouse: that should help you too a bit ;) |
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| 20:12.10 | nvz | tell shingouz about using regular expressions to highlight his nick spelled wrong, forward or backwards :P |
| 20:12.18 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite nvz |
| 20:12.19 | ravenbird | nvz: cheerio mate |
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| 20:12.52 | greycat | 16:12 1 gr[ea]*ycat -word -regexp -color %r |
| 20:13.06 | shingouz | nvz: i guess that is what i have to do |
| 20:13.19 | nvz | most people do |
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| 20:16.22 | nvz | refuling my body's supply of chemicals Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Maltodextrin, Citric Acid, Niacinamide, Pyridoxine, Sodium, Potassium Citrate, Potassium Phosphate, Sugar, Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cyanocobalamin, and delta-9-tetra-hydro-cannabinol, other natural flavors.. restoring my energy and state of mind |
| 20:16.34 | resiak | ... |
| 20:16.35 | nvz | this is what I run on |
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| 20:17.57 | FieldySnuts | !fruitsmite nvz |
| 20:18.10 | nvz | and definatly no strawberries |
| 20:18.17 | paulswm | Good, let's get some vitamins in there |
| 20:18.18 | nvz | or artificial strawberry flavors |
| 20:18.26 | resiak | Why not? |
| 20:18.32 | nvz | I dont like it |
| 20:18.34 | dragonfly | ok, i ran apt-get install apache apache-common apache-dev apache-doc apache-perl apache-ssl apache-utils but am finding a documentation gap, what do i have to do or where do i have to go now? |
| 20:18.40 | resiak | Strawberries > drugs |
| 20:19.02 | paulswm | !prize resiak |
| 20:19.04 | resiak | dragonfly: /usr/share/doc/apache-doc/ |
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| 20:19.19 | FieldySnuts | !medal paulswm |
| 20:19.27 | paulswm | :( |
| 20:19.33 | nvz | my vitamins are Niacinamide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cyanocobalamin.. I'll work on the calcium and others later |
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| 20:19.35 | FieldySnuts | random reason, sorry heh |
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| 20:20.01 | resiak | Hahah |
| 20:20.19 | paulswm | !singlishsmite FieldySnuts |
| 20:20.20 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
| 20:20.23 | paulswm | :P |
| 20:20.33 | si|vercat | does the lpr-command put the pritjobs in cups printqueue? |
| 20:20.37 | nvz | actually I seem to think vitamin c _is_ calcium, but actually its probably not |
| 20:20.37 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aussiesmite paulswm |
| 20:20.38 | dpkg | paulswm: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker |
| 20:20.45 | resiak | nvz: It's not |
| 20:20.51 | paulswm | !prise FieldySnuts |
| 20:20.55 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:20.58 | paulswm | Heh |
| 20:21.00 | lobz | hi, what package contains the nice cursors for X in sarge? i have to installations, but on one of them i have only the blackish default cursor |
| 20:21.16 | lobz | s/i have to/i have two |
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| 20:21.18 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: yorkshiresmite paulswm |
| 20:21.21 | dragonfly | ty resiak |
| 20:21.26 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 20:21.30 | resiak | !tell lobz -about search |
| 20:21.32 | nvz | I slept through two years of health.. you can only learn so much in your sleep |
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| 20:21.56 | paulswm | !fishsmite FieldySnuts |
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| 20:22.13 | johaBBa | is woody still getting security updates? |
| 20:22.27 | resiak | Yes |
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| 20:22.53 | johaBBa | i had "stable" in my /etc/apt/sources.list. how can i stay at woody? |
| 20:23.05 | koollman | johaBBa: replace stable with woody |
| 20:23.11 | nvz | how does that work.. how does the obsolete stable still get its security updates? cause s.d.o stable is the new stable |
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| 20:23.24 | resiak | "oldstable" |
| 20:23.28 | nvz | ah |
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| 20:23.45 | johaBBa | koollman, ok...i'll try that...i have debian VPS server and it won't start ssh after upgrading from 3.0 to 3.1 |
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| 20:24.28 | kombi | What does one do when: "ClamAv: Unable to create listening socket on conn /var/run/clamav/clmilter.sock"? |
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| 20:24.48 | bucky | kombi, which version of debian are you using? |
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| 20:24.56 | kombi | sarge |
| 20:25.26 | lobz | resiak: search for what? serarching for "cursor" doesnt help |
| 20:25.33 | myren | is there an acronym you can use to ask about another acronym |
| 20:25.48 | bucky | kombi, do you have clamav-milter installed? |
| 20:25.54 | kombi | yip |
| 20:26.03 | bucky | is it running/ |
| 20:26.06 | kombi | nope |
| 20:26.23 | bucky | hmmm.. |
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| 20:26.36 | si|vercat | my printer stopped working after a reboot |
| 20:26.43 | beardy | myren: wtf, apt-get install wtf |
| 20:26.44 | kombi | bucky: I try to hand start it but it doesn't, throwing the above error.. |
| 20:27.40 | bucky | sounds like a permissions problem.. can't write to /var/run/clamav/ or something .. i dunno |
| 20:27.46 | johaBBa | so simple...sorry for the dumb question, but i think my colo-server is back. thank you! |
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| 20:28.09 | kombi | bucky: I'll look into that.. |
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| 20:29.29 | beardy | myren: hmm, sorry, not it's own package, it's in bsdgames |
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| 20:29.43 | MrDuck | hey |
| 20:29.47 | kombi | bucky: Could you look up the permissions in your box? |
| 20:29.58 | bucky | i don't have clamav |
| 20:30.01 | kombi | ok |
| 20:30.12 | Vasilea | hey, can one boot cd with lilo? |
| 20:30.14 | bucky | under what user does clamav run? |
| 20:30.18 | red22 | for example, when a new version of a program (for example kde) is released, why does it take so long for it to be included in the official distrib.? what kind of extra work needs to be done? anyone know where i can find out about that process? |
| 20:30.24 | greycat | Vasilea: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:30.28 | kombi | bucky: clamav |
| 20:30.31 | Vasilea | install slack :)) |
| 20:30.39 | MrDuck | i get an " Oracle (OCI8) required libraries not found" error when trying to compile PHP.. i have no idea what it is |
| 20:30.42 | kombi | bucky: but tried root as well |
| 20:31.06 | resiak | lobz: Good point |
| 20:31.12 | greycat | MrDuck: why the hell are you trying to compile php? |
| 20:31.14 | bucky | kombi, try chown -R clamav.clamav /var/run/clamav |
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| 20:31.33 | MrDuck | to get all options enable i want for my HORDE framework |
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| 20:31.43 | Vasilea | i can't boot cd from bios so i thought lilo could help, like with hdds |
| 20:31.48 | greycat | then I'd suggest asking #php |
| 20:31.55 | kombi | bucky: tried that already, same thing |
| 20:32.02 | MrDuck | greycat> k |
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| 20:32.09 | bucky | kombi, have you googled? |
| 20:32.10 | resiak | lobz: There are some in gtk2-engines-industrial, I happen to know. :) |
| 20:32.19 | bigbill52a | another screwed windows installation loaded with viruses and spyware....thank you mr. gates for the business....lol..another bunny |
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| 20:32.56 | kombi | bucky: have, people did create a dir "clamav" in /var/run and set that to clamav.clamav, still no luck |
| 20:32.57 | bucky | Vasilea, i think you can |
| 20:33.08 | bucky | kombi, have you googled? |
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| 20:33.27 | kombi | bucky: ahm, yes.. (see above) |
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| 20:33.30 | Enx | hi |
| 20:33.49 | kombi | bucky: or did I miss something? |
| 20:33.51 | l984 | any FAQs out on installing wireless network cards (dlink g630) on debian 2.2 w/out madwifi |
| 20:33.56 | Enx | can anyone tell me anysite for linux or debian drivers? |
| 20:34.01 | bucky | Vasilea, if not you can get a floppy install image that will boot a debian net install cd |
| 20:34.06 | lobz | resiak: thx |
| 20:34.07 | greycat | wireless on *potato*?? |
| 20:34.22 | nvz | heh |
| 20:34.22 | greycat | !+potato |
| 20:34.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 20:34.28 | dragonfly | does apache have a gui? |
| 20:34.33 | resiak | dragonfly: ... |
| 20:34.34 | myren | wireless potatos! whoo |
| 20:34.35 | greycat | dragonfly: uh, a web browser. |
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| 20:34.50 | Enx | ... |
| 20:34.52 | resiak | dragonfly: If you mean to configure it, no way |
| 20:34.52 | _daniel_ | dragonfly, apache is a server |
| 20:35.02 | Enx | Can anyone answer me , please? |
| 20:35.08 | nvz | myren: if you keep them in a cool dark place, the wires grow back |
| 20:35.11 | Vasilea | bucky, don't got no floppy |
| 20:35.13 | resiak | Enx: Google |
| 20:35.14 | greycat | !d-i Enx |
| 20:35.15 | dpkg | Enx, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:35.23 | Enx | i tryed resiak |
| 20:35.31 | bucky | Vasilea, you don't have a floppy drive? |
| 20:35.31 | shingouz | Enx: what hardware do you want supported? |
| 20:35.32 | dragonfly | i've used ftp servers before that give you a gui to start/stop/configure/etc. and set permissions for logins and such |
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| 20:35.40 | Vasilea | no. |
| 20:35.45 | greycat | dragonfly: on microsoft? |
| 20:35.50 | Enx | modem driver (usb) ,[dsl on isdl line] |
| 20:35.52 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:35.52 | bucky | !rube goldberg install |
| 20:35.53 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 20:35.54 | Vasilea | only half busted cdrom :) |
| 20:36.00 | FieldySnuts | i knew that was coming |
| 20:36.02 | beardy | Try not. Do, or do not. |
| 20:36.04 | dragonfly | greycat: yes it was |
| 20:36.08 | greycat | !yoda beardy |
| 20:36.10 | shingouz | Enx: more specific |
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| 20:36.21 | Vasilea | dpkg i did that |
| 20:36.25 | Enx | ammm , aztech dsl-206u |
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| 20:36.32 | bigbill52a | some buddy could possibly punch some of your cards |
| 20:36.47 | shingouz | Enx: have you googled for that particular thingie already? found anything? |
| 20:36.59 | tcsetattr | find a place where people throw away old computers, and scavenge a floppy drive |
| 20:37.00 | _daniel_ | dragonfly, you can use a a inetd gui wrapper to init, stop, apache |
| 20:37.02 | Enx | i found driver for windows ;) |
| 20:37.07 | bucky | Vasilea, put an entry in lilo.conf for your cdrom as /dev/hd? mount it and run lilo unmount it then try it |
| 20:37.15 | shingouz | Enx: lemme try. sec |
| 20:37.30 | Vasilea | good idea |
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| 20:37.41 | Vasilea | forgot to mount :) |
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| 20:38.00 | kmitchell | Hello, I'm a newbie who needs help. |
| 20:38.02 | Enx | the only thinge i found is , my modem support linux&windows ,thats what the driver company sayed but there is only windows driver :\ |
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| 20:38.11 | beardy | !n00b |
| 20:38.11 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 20:38.16 | kmitchell | :) |
| 20:38.25 | Enx | !n00b |
| 20:38.25 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 20:38.26 | beardy | kmitchell: Please ask your question. |
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| 20:38.36 | Enx | !very-n00b |
| 20:38.46 | Enx | !Not-n00b |
| 20:38.50 | Enx | !help |
| 20:38.50 | shingouz | Enx: most of the time you do not need a "driver" like you need for windows. the stuff is in the kernel |
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| 20:38.55 | beardy | Enx: Stop trying to abuse the bot. |
| 20:39.05 | Enx | lol ,sorry |
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| 20:39.17 | dragonfly | _daniel_ how do i do that? |
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| 20:39.26 | Vasilea | oke, did lilo -> fatal: geo_query_dev HDIO_GETGEO (dev 0x0340): Invalid Argument |
| 20:39.29 | Enx | well i tryed to make my driver work in kde to use it |
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| 20:39.31 | kmitchell | ok so I'm having trouble getting quake3 to run, and I think its because I need to install the drivers for my Geforece256 card |
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| 20:39.49 | Enx | but its didnt , its dont know there is modem |
| 20:40.00 | robin_sz | gah, why wont my old DOS app run on sarge? |
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| 20:40.16 | FieldySnuts | @lart robin_sz |
| 20:40.25 | tcsetattr | I don't think you're going to convince lilo to boot a CD as if it were a hard drive. LILO has to load the kernel using BIOS disk access routines, and the BIOS doesn't treat cdroms and hds the same. |
| 20:40.31 | amphi | Enx: what kind of modem is it? |
| 20:40.32 | shingouz | Enx: the easiest way would probably be to just slap the "modem" into the usb port and try with the sarge installer unless you have linux on the box already? |
| 20:40.38 | Enx | usb modem |
| 20:40.41 | FieldySnuts | lilo probably doesn't even have that capability |
| 20:40.42 | Enx | wait |
| 20:40.43 | shingouz | amphi: usb adsl |
| 20:40.46 | kmitchell | the drivers package says i need to install the headers for my kernel 2.4.26 |
| 20:40.53 | Vasilea | bucky oke, did lilo -> fatal: geo_query_dev HDIO_GETGEO (dev 0x0340): Invalid Argument |
| 20:40.58 | [sess] | is there a way to disable GDM at startup? For some reason with DRI enabled on my rage mobility m3, logging out of my session causes the screen to scramble and locks up my computer. It doesn't happen when I startx from the console and log out |
| 20:40.59 | FieldySnuts | modems that attach through USB often only work in windows, thanks to the manufacturers |
| 20:40.59 | beardy | kmitchell: /msg dpkg nvidia and /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 20:41.00 | kmitchell | but I can't find them in the debian package list |
| 20:41.06 | amphi | shingouz: uhuh - alcatel speedtouch has worked well on my laptop |
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| 20:41.18 | amphi | Enx: is it a speedtouch? |
| 20:41.20 | robin_sz | FieldySnuts: gah, I can just tell I'm going to have to use Win95 at this rate |
| 20:41.21 | [sess] | someone told me dpkg-reconfigure gdm, but that just installed it as the x session manager |
| 20:41.22 | FieldySnuts | if you have an ethernet interface, it's much easier to get that going even if you have to pick up a cheapo network card (netgear FA-311 for example) |
| 20:41.23 | shingouz | Enx: do you already have linux on the system? |
| 20:41.29 | black13 | /etc/init.d/networking start , starts networking ... which indirectly launches dhclient |
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| 20:41.52 | None | How are the experiences with the AMD Athlon64 unofficial releases? my athlon 1800 died and I'm looking to upgrade to a 64 bit cpu, will I need to do special things or will it work just like unstable now? do I need a special sources.list? and last, is there support for the nvidia firewalled nic of the nvidia 250gb chip? |
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| 20:42.06 | bucky | Vasilea, hmm.. i don't know.. you could do a network install with tftp and PXE.. it you're really into it |
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| 20:42.25 | Enx | amphi: this is my driver and the informations about it http://www.aztech.com/DSL-206U.htm |
| 20:42.27 | danieldg | How do you set multiple ipv4 addresses on network interface? |
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| 20:42.39 | Vasilea | no netwrok. :) |
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| 20:42.51 | [sess] | how would I go about diabling GDM at system boot time |
| 20:42.56 | beardy | None: "nvidia firewalled nic of the nvidia" that makes no sense, not to me anyway.. |
| 20:43.00 | greycat | Vasilea: /msg dpkg rube goldberg install |
| 20:43.02 | Vasilea | since there area no minitar wireless drivers for linux :P |
| 20:43.08 | shingouz | Enx: for the third time, do you already have linux installed on the computer? |
| 20:43.10 | Vasilea | a |
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| 20:43.16 | Enx | yes , i have |
| 20:43.20 | [sess] | I removed the S99gdm link from rc5.d but it still starts up, I don't konw where I should look |
| 20:43.21 | Enx | 2 linux |
| 20:43.26 | Enx | debian and linspire |
| 20:43.32 | greycat | [sess]: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 20:43.41 | greycat | [sess]: debian doesn't use slackware style "run level 5 is *dm" |
| 20:43.58 | beardy | kmitchell: Do not dcc chat me. |
| 20:43.59 | shingouz | Enx: the same system you are on now? |
| 20:44.07 | foureyes779 | wouldnt that be in rc3.d ? |
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| 20:44.17 | Enx | no, in linux i cant use internet |
| 20:44.31 | Enx | but i can reboot and mount my driver to get the downloaded files |
| 20:44.40 | shingouz | Enx: so you are on a different box now? |
| 20:44.46 | Enx | yes |
| 20:44.53 | FieldySnuts | i'd do what i said about avoiding usb connection to the modem, otherwise have fun |
| 20:45.34 | myren | what a lazy day. installing debian packages.... |
| 20:45.38 | greycat | USB DSL modems should be banned. |
| 20:45.39 | Vasilea | not working greycat |
| 20:45.42 | jbroome | agreed |
| 20:45.46 | Enx | what?!! |
| 20:45.58 | greycat | they are SHIT. you got ripped off. now you suffer. |
| 20:45.59 | shingouz | Enx: as you have already heard the usb adsl is a pain in the ass |
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| 20:46.09 | sideone | how do i know what device my nic card is? |
| 20:46.14 | Enx | i didnt , i was useing windows ;) |
| 20:46.14 | greycat | sideone: dmesg |
| 20:46.16 | FieldySnuts | use the ethernet interface, or get another modem |
| 20:46.17 | [sess] | greycat: thanks |
| 20:46.20 | FieldySnuts | eh this is getting nowhere, have fun |
| 20:46.23 | [sess] | rebooting to see if it worked |
| 20:46.31 | Enx | when i moved to linux i was useing modem 56k [before i got dsl] |
| 20:46.42 | Enx | so i wasnt have any problem |
| 20:46.46 | sideone | thx. |
| 20:46.53 | Enx | but now , i have |
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| 20:47.09 | Enx | i get new pc and alots of drivers dont work :\ |
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| 20:47.17 | gregj | Hi folks |
| 20:47.21 | shingouz | Enx: the thing here is to figure out what the driver is you need to use, google does not show anything yet |
| 20:47.43 | Enx | i know shingouz i googled for more then 2 weeks! :\ |
| 20:47.46 | shingouz | Enx: the "drivers" off the net like you usually have to do with windows is not the way of linux |
| 20:47.52 | gregj | I am trying to upgrade postgresql from old stable to new stble, but I run out of space on /var, and it failed, after manual removal, I tried to reinstall it again and I get some errors |
| 20:47.52 | Enx | so im sure you wont find anythinges |
| 20:47.55 | shingouz | lemme try for a bit longer |
| 20:48.12 | Enx | wait , i think this could you guys tell me about it |
| 20:48.33 | resiak | Enx: Get a ethernet ADSL "modem" and avoid pain? |
| 20:48.50 | FieldySnuts | do that or forget about it |
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| 20:49.19 | blackout | are there any other tagging programs other than cscope that can point out all the places a given function is called in code? |
| 20:49.31 | shingouz | Enx: the ethernet version is a lot less pain.... |
| 20:49.39 | gregj | http://pastebin.com/301547 |
| 20:49.43 | resiak | blackout: grep ? |
| 20:49.51 | gregj | dunno why postgres can't be installed from scratch |
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| 20:50.39 | beardy | blackout: a search function in your editor ? |
| 20:51.06 | shingouz | Enx: the install manual has absolutely no information? |
| 20:51.26 | FieldySnuts | give us the make and model, we'll figure it out real fast |
| 20:51.55 | black13 | ifup calls dhclient |
| 20:52.12 | black13 | gotta love strace |
| 20:52.21 | Enx | anyone know if this work in linux? http://www.jungo.com/ |
| 20:52.44 | black13 | i have looked at jungo |
| 20:52.56 | Enx | and what is kernel driver? |
| 20:52.58 | FieldySnuts | if it has an ethernet port, it's going to work out for you once you have an ethernet card in your sy stem |
| 20:53.06 | FieldySnuts | without a bunch of hassle |
| 20:53.27 | blahdeblah | Hi. I've been reading the Debian news, and some folks recommend aptitude over apt-get. However, when i run 'aptitude dist-upgrade', it gives me a huge list of required upgrades that apt-get doesn't. Any idea why? Is aptitude really that much better? |
| 20:53.34 | black13 | jungo purports to allows the writing of user mode device drivers |
| 20:53.43 | FieldySnuts | http://www.jungo.com/linux.html |
| 20:53.51 | MrDuck | lets say aptitude is sopped to be |
| 20:53.53 | beardy | !better |
| 20:53.53 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 20:53.56 | MrDuck | supposed* |
| 20:53.57 | FieldySnuts | sounds like a way not to write actual drivers |
| 20:54.02 | Enx | soo i can use my modem driver? |
| 20:54.12 | black13 | FieldySnuts, i concurr |
| 20:54.15 | tcsetattr | look closer, if aptitude is upgrading more stuff then apt-get must be "holding back" or removing a lot of them |
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| 20:54.39 | Enx | block13 , so i can use my modem driver in linux? |
| 20:54.44 | Enx | black* |
| 20:54.48 | shingouz | Enx: so far seems to me that you are out of luck with that one. if at all possible get something that connects with ethernet and a cheap-ass card for it. |
| 20:55.16 | fanti | hey, is "http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found" permanently down or just at the moment? |
| 20:55.17 | black13 | Enx, sorry i have no idea ... all i know is that its a toolkit |
| 20:55.17 | Enx | before i do samethinge check i found it before 1 week -> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/ |
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| 20:55.24 | trave11er | Enx: what modem is that? |
| 20:55.29 | Enx | 206u |
| 20:55.38 | streuner | !topicsmite fanti |
| 20:55.38 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon fanti. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 20:55.58 | Enx | in this link http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/ <- program support many drivers and there is 100u driver |
| 20:56.01 | blahdeblah | tcsetattr: aptitude is reporting a *lot* of packages that i've never installed, including a bunch of KDE stuff i don't use. |
| 20:56.03 | trave11er | Enx: what's the model/manufacturer? |
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| 20:56.16 | Enx | http://www.aztech.com/DSL-206U.htm |
| 20:56.19 | trave11er | Enx: 206u does not tell me much |
| 20:56.22 | Enx | aztech dsl-206u |
| 20:56.28 | Enx | check the site |
| 20:56.39 | Enx | my english isnt goood |
| 20:57.06 | lef | hm, I have installed kernel 2.6.11 but grub keeps showing only 2.6.2 as an option |
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| 20:57.23 | blackout | resiak: right. Grep is real convenient from within your editor. |
| 20:57.26 | Enx | lef , check /boot/grub/menu |
| 20:57.31 | Milhouse | what rc is for just regular command line (no gui) |
| 20:57.38 | trave11er | Enx: http://faq.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=ModemSupport |
| 20:57.38 | shingouz | Enx: it may be possible to run that modem with linux but... get something that connects with ethernet and you do not have to fight with it |
| 20:57.43 | blackout | beardy: what? Seriously? Not for multi-file, thanks. |
| 20:57.45 | trave11er | Enx: did you see that site? |
| 20:57.47 | lef | Enx, yes but shouldn't grub.conf get updated automatically? |
| 20:57.51 | FieldySnuts | your english is fine, it's just that many of us have attempted to use USB connected dsl or cable modems, and found it's a waste of time, and got one with an ethernet port. which is what we're trying to say |
| 20:57.51 | shingouz | !tell Milhouse about nodm |
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| 20:58.02 | MrDuck | is there a command to get information on an installed package like: install folder ...? |
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| 20:58.12 | abydos | hrm, looks like gentoo's founder got hired off by microsleaze |
| 20:58.19 | Enx | shingeouz i like fighting :P , and i dont like to west same money on buying drivers could be work on linux |
| 20:58.21 | FieldySnuts | abydos: yes, old news |
| 20:58.23 | streuner | MrDuck: dpkg -L package |
| 20:58.31 | amphi | MrDuck: dpkg -L <package_name> perhaps |
| 20:58.34 | Enx | could not* |
| 20:58.34 | abydos | FieldySnuts: maybe to you it's old |
| 20:58.36 | MrDuck | thx |
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| 20:58.42 | FieldySnuts | abydos: maybe you're trolling |
| 20:58.47 | abydos | FieldySnuts: I literally just heard about it today. |
| 20:58.51 | tcsetattr | blahdeblah: if apt-get dist-upgrade is making better decisions, go ahead and use it. But you might benefit from studying aptitude's reasoning first - use aptitude -D or type "d" at the Y/n prompt |
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| 20:59.21 | blahdeblah | Enx: FieldySnuts is right about using ethernet modems. |
| 20:59.37 | Enx | and whats i do with my modem now? ;) |
| 20:59.40 | matjan_ | hi, could someone maybe help me with a problem i have with my modem? |
| 20:59.49 | black13 | use the force ... read the source |
| 20:59.52 | shingouz | Enx: you are in for a HUGE fight if you really want to run that modem with linux. if you are just starting out with linux in the first place i think the fight is too hard for you. i personally would get another modem and sell the usb one off to someone running windows |
| 20:59.54 | Enx | how much ethernet modem? |
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| 21:00.15 | Enx | lol |
| 21:00.28 | blahdeblah | tcsetattr: Whoa... Where to even start interpreting that? |
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| 21:00.34 | beardy | !tell matjan_ about smart questions |
| 21:00.37 | shingouz | Enx: i see them here in .fi for about E50. the cheapest ones |
| 21:00.40 | Enx | shingouz i think i will buy anther modem and keep this modem for my anther pc |
| 21:00.42 | lef | does /boot/grub//menu.lst get automatically updated each time we apt-get install a new kernel or one has to manually edit? |
| 21:00.43 | matjan_ | hmmm.. i see i'm not the only one having trouble with modem |
| 21:01.04 | shingouz | Enx: i think you cannot have two modems connected to the *dsl at the same time |
| 21:01.11 | blahdeblah | matjan_: Is it a USB ADSL modem? If so, short answer is don't bother. :-) |
| 21:01.14 | Enx | ... |
| 21:01.15 | Enx | i cant! |
| 21:01.31 | shingouz | Enx: i think you cannot. |
| 21:01.42 | Enx | matjan get this , http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/ |
| 21:01.55 | matjan_ | beardy: ok.... i've asked around before in other channels and people don't seem to be able to resolve the problem, so less chance of finding it there.... |
| 21:02.02 | FieldySnuts | if you have to use a driver just to even get the stupid thing to work, avoid it. |
| 21:02.03 | Enx | try it , and when u finsh tell me if its worked with you or its didnt work with you |
| 21:02.07 | black13 | Enx, you might be better of have two machines ... windows 2k the runs a modem then get an ethernet card uses the 2k machine as a gateway |
| 21:02.16 | shingouz | enx, matjan_: really, don't bother if you have a USB thigie |
| 21:02.23 | beardy | matjan_: Especially since you haven't asked anything yet. |
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| 21:02.32 | tweek | Hello |
| 21:02.35 | Enx | ammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:02.41 | Dragon_Eater | Hellio |
| 21:02.44 | tweek | i'm having trouble with my sound card |
| 21:02.46 | matjan_ | i asked if you could maybe help me... |
| 21:02.55 | tweek | it is onboard and i don't know how to make it work :| |
| 21:02.58 | blahdeblah | matjan_: Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
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| 21:03.01 | Enx | ok if bought anther driver for my pc |
| 21:03.02 | matjan_ | blahdeblah: no |
| 21:03.06 | beardy | matjan_: And you have read the link that dpkg told you already? |
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| 21:03.11 | matjan_ | yes |
| 21:03.12 | Enx | whats i do for the others drivers? |
| 21:03.20 | matjan_ | it's an internal dsl modem |
| 21:03.23 | beardy | matjan_: Don't lie. |
| 21:03.24 | matjan_ | i have no nic |
| 21:03.31 | matjan_ | it's as obsolete as hell |
| 21:03.35 | tcsetattr | blahdeblah, look for one of the packages you don't want, and read what's in the parentheses after it. For example if you're thinking "Why the hell is it installing xyz", then you look at xyz (D: abc) and you know that it's pulling in xyz because abc needs it... follow that back and you can understand why it does what it does |
| 21:03.40 | matjan_ | but i want to get it to run under linux |
| 21:03.44 | shingouz | Enx: get something with the ethernet and you do not need a driver at all, simple as that |
| 21:03.48 | tweek | is there a Debian FAQ? |
| 21:03.52 | blahdeblah | tweek: check lspci to find out what sort it is |
| 21:03.56 | black13 | can one of the apt commands pull down the source for ifup |
| 21:04.05 | shingouz | matjan_: and that internal thingie is also pretty much out of luck |
| 21:04.07 | tcsetattr | apt-get source ifupdown |
| 21:04.09 | Enx | ammmmmmmm |
| 21:04.22 | black13 | thanks |
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| 21:04.39 | blahdeblah | tcsetattr: I worked out that much - it just seems to be finding dependencies that apt-get doesn't. Strange. I think i'll just stick with apt-get for now - my system isn't broken. ;-) |
| 21:04.47 | matjan_ | and not having to buy a new modem just to be able to run linux (although they're not that expensive) |
| 21:04.49 | tweek | blahdeblah |
| 21:04.50 | Enx | if i changed my drivers its will cost me more then 200$ us |
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| 21:04.53 | tweek | i will past it in #flood |
| 21:04.56 | tweek | paste* |
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| 21:05.08 | blahdeblah | shingouz: Internal schminternal :-) |
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| 21:05.12 | shingouz | Enx: a driver is a piece of software |
| 21:05.14 | matjan_ | hehe |
| 21:05.15 | amphi | Enx: FWIW, if you really want a usb dsl modem, the alcatel speedtouch seemed to work quite well |
| 21:05.21 | matjan_ | shingoux: why??? |
| 21:05.23 | shingouz | blahdeblah: tell me about it |
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| 21:05.37 | Enx | shingouz i have more then 6 drivers dont work on linux |
| 21:05.45 | shingouz | matjan_: because the damn thing is not supported |
| 21:05.51 | shingouz | Enx: what is a driver? |
| 21:06.07 | Enx | camera and same others usb drivers |
| 21:06.08 | Enx | :P |
| 21:06.12 | beardy | tweek: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ |
| 21:06.22 | tweek | htanks |
| 21:06.24 | matjan_ | no tricks to get around it? i was once advised to use ndiswrapper... |
| 21:06.26 | tweek | thanks* |
| 21:06.33 | matjan_ | to try at least |
| 21:06.51 | shingouz | Enx: you use the word "driver" when you mean "hardware" a driver is software not hardware |
| 21:06.55 | beardy | tweek: Google is your friend. |
| 21:07.15 | Enx | shingouz , i write thinges and dont think about it ;) |
| 21:07.24 | shingouz | Enx: what is you native language? |
| 21:07.32 | Enx | sorry for writeing drivers when i was meaning hardware |
| 21:07.38 | blahdeblah | tweek: You've got a lot of unknown devices there. Must be a fairly new board? |
| 21:07.44 | resiak | shingouz: What is yous? :) |
| 21:07.44 | tweek | i suppose |
| 21:07.51 | tweek | about 3-4 months |
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| 21:07.59 | shingouz | resiak: evidently not english tonight |
| 21:08.05 | blahdeblah | tweek: What kernel are you running? |
| 21:08.14 | tweek | i am not to sure |
| 21:08.18 | tweek | 2.4 somthing :< |
| 21:08.19 | blahdeblah | tweek: uname -a |
| 21:08.45 | resiak | shingouz: :) |
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| 21:09.42 | blahdeblah | tweek: Try the latest 2.6 kernel before expecting your lspci to show up with recognised devices |
| 21:09.59 | black13 | pig latin |
| 21:10.03 | tweek | i don't know how to get a new kernel.. |
| 21:10.07 | tweek | is there a guide |
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| 21:10.18 | greycat | tweek: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 21:10.30 | tweek | genius :) |
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| 21:11.02 | drac | tweek: Command /usr/bin/update-pciids updates devicelists 'lspci' uses. |
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| 21:12.30 | magicOvercast | hola!!! |
| 21:12.46 | tweek | thanks drac! |
| 21:12.56 | tweek | blahdeblah |
| 21:13.00 | magicOvercast | alguien habla español... |
| 21:13.07 | drac | !es |
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| 21:13.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:13.07 | Shay | !spanish |
| 21:13.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:13.10 | Shay | lol |
| 21:13.13 | drac | :p |
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| 21:13.49 | Shay | magicOvercast, el leguaje oficial de éste canal es inglés |
| 21:13.56 | magicOvercast | ok |
| 21:14.19 | Eulex | I need the kernel source of the 2.6.11 debian stock kernel for fglrx, but I don't see any in the debian repositories |
| 21:14.31 | Shay | look for "kernel headers" |
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| 21:14.44 | Shay | you're looking for the precompiled kernel? |
| 21:14.49 | jdhutchin1 | Eulex, stable/testing/unstable? |
| 21:14.49 | valdyn | Eulex: http://packages.debian.org/ try looking in etch or sid |
| 21:14.58 | Shay | Eulex, /exec uname -a |
| 21:15.17 | jasoncohen | heh, this is strange. i just noticed that gnomemeeting isn't working properly in gnome 2.10. it doesn't detect my quickcam 3000 pro but it works fine in KDE |
| 21:15.17 | myren | ugg, i do not like this gcc 4. my understanding is it is slow. |
| 21:15.20 | Eulex | jdhutchin1, testing... |
| 21:15.25 | Shay | Eulex, (obviusly, in this window) |
| 21:15.29 | Epod69 | hey, does anyone else have a problem when opening a cdrom from the device icon and then ejecting it. I get an error saying it wont eject the cd. lsof shows kdeinit is using the /dev/xxx and I have to kill it enable to eject the cd... I heard this is a debian bug |
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| 21:15.42 | jvw | Eulex: there are no 2.6.11 kernels in testing yet |
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| 21:16.05 | jvw | #310244\ |
| 21:16.13 | valdyn | Eulex: to compile drivers you really only should need the kernel-headers and keep using a debian precompiled kernel, btw |
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| 21:16.45 | cheal | Epod69: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:17.10 | Eulex | jvw: there are... I'm running 2.6.11 in debian etch... valdyn, the fglrx instructions tell me that I have to get the kernel source of my kernel and "configure" it |
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| 21:17.30 | black13 | ifup -a in the /etc/init.d/network script calls dhclient |
| 21:17.35 | black13 | correct? |
| 21:17.42 | trave11er | Eulex: kernel-headers provide a subset of files which constitute a "configured kernel source" |
| 21:17.45 | Epod69 | cheal...wow, there is a lot of channels I dont know about =P |
| 21:17.52 | valdyn | myren: its quite new ( ->untested ), and has a completely new optimising architecture.. so some problem with it are expected. |
| 21:17.56 | jvw | Eulex: oh, right, sorry. but the source isn't in testing due to that bug |
| 21:17.56 | drac | fglrx needs configured kernel-sources, debian kernel-headers package isn't enough. |
| 21:18.01 | E-bola | whne im upgrading my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 with apt |
| 21:18.03 | Shay | black13, it deppends, if you configured the interface as "dhcp" |
| 21:18.03 | jvw | it's a bug in testing that images *did* make it in |
| 21:18.10 | E-bola | it says i have to notice its an initrd kernel etc etc |
| 21:18.12 | black13 | yes |
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| 21:18.18 | E-bola | but wont grub-update take care of all that for me? |
| 21:18.19 | valdyn | drac: thanks, i see |
| 21:18.20 | Shay | black13, yeah, it should |
| 21:18.22 | Eulex | jvw: yeah, I noticed that... found it in unstable |
| 21:18.30 | black13 | i have the /etc/networking/interfaces setup to do that |
| 21:18.48 | black13 | i have created a stock starge install |
| 21:19.00 | Eulex | gonna check that bug and see how critical it is... |
| 21:19.12 | black13 | and i have done an strace of what ifup is doing |
| 21:19.31 | Epod69 | can someone provide me to a link that tells how to use and setup aoss for mixing oss apps |
| 21:19.47 | black13 | Shay, but my mini distory dhclient works but i have to call it manually |
| 21:19.53 | Eulex | hmm, this may be a problem... I'm running 2.6.11-5, but the package in unstable is 2.6.11-7... may this cause problems? do I have to upgrade to 2.6.11-7? |
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| 21:20.15 | valdyn | Epod69: just run 'aoss someapp' |
| 21:20.16 | jvw | Eulex: no ABI change, so should matter |
| 21:20.23 | black13 | Shay, calling ifup -a fails to work i wonder if have a missing etc file or environment variable screwed up |
| 21:20.48 | Eulex | jvw: ok |
| 21:21.17 | jasoncohen | anyone here use gnomemeeting in gnome 2.10? |
| 21:21.21 | valdyn | Epod69: you can probably get alont w/o using any oss application, depending on what you use.. |
| 21:21.39 | Epod69 | valdyn, i think it had to do about editing the asoundrc file though..maybe i was wrong..I still have to setup dmix, do you know of a site that shows this and maybe mentions using aoss |
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| 21:22.02 | tweek | can anyone help me get drivers for my nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb AC'97 Audio Controller :<? |
| 21:22.28 | valdyn | Epod69: thats right, if you want aoss to use your dmix then you have to create an entry in ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf for pcm.!dsp0 |
| 21:22.29 | Epod69 | valdyn, every game I have downloaded from apt-get, (prob 5 games) used oss..... |
| 21:22.38 | valdyn | Epod69: yea, games suck ) |
| 21:22.45 | Enx | bye guys , thanks 4 the help, im now going to try my new DRIVER , wish 4 me luck ;) |
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| 21:23.16 | Epod69 | valdyn, you know of a link for a asound.conf file that uses dmix and aoss ? |
| 21:23.19 | Eulex | jvw: do you know if #310244 will affect me? |
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| 21:23.26 | valdyn | Epod69: http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 21:23.39 | Epod69 | valdyn, yea, that is it! =P =) |
| 21:23.42 | jvw | Eulex: I don't know |
| 21:23.45 | EmleyMoor | What's the best way, on a Debian system, to test that the PC speaker is wired up? |
| 21:23.51 | Incognito | tweek: the drivers for that must be on the nvidia website. |
| 21:24.00 | zOap | In debian netinst, how do I get the screen where I choose what kernel to install? |
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| 21:24.24 | valdyn | dpkg, dmix is also http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 21:24.24 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 21:24.26 | Incognito | EmleyMoor: keep on pressing backspace on the console? =D |
| 21:24.28 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 21:24.29 | dpkg | methinks dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 21:24.35 | Eulex | jvw: then I'll wait until the kernel source comes into testing... thanks for the help! |
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| 21:24.46 | black13 | or i have just not understood the instructions |
| 21:25.26 | huhcool | hey guys .... i have a problem .... my mouse has suddenly stopped working... i'm using sarge ... i just apt-get upgraded a few days ago then the next time I rebooted, my usb mouse no longer worked :( ... it shows up on lspci .. any ideas whats up? |
| 21:25.33 | OFC|ACiD^pug | hi |
| 21:25.50 | valdyn | !usb mouse |
| 21:25.50 | dpkg | from memory, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
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| 21:26.02 | valdyn | !usbmouse |
| 21:26.02 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 21:26.15 | EmleyMoor | Is that a dead cert? |
| 21:26.36 | streuner | valdyn: /msg dpkg foo helps sometimes ;-) |
| 21:26.38 | valdyn | huhcool: duh, those factoids are mostly useless, still check if you have those prerequesites |
| 21:26.48 | EmleyMoor | (backspace on console will beep speaker, that is_ |
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| 21:27.02 | Incognito | EmleyMoor: well, it does here... :) |
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| 21:27.27 | _OrIoN_ | hi |
| 21:27.43 | streuner | huhcool: HOW did you upgrade? |
| 21:27.44 | Incognito | huhcool: it might just be because you used /dev/psaux before and now it's /dev/input/mice |
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| 21:28.06 | _OrIoN_ | can anyone tell me where I can edit the autoboot services |
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| 21:28.38 | huhcool | streuner: I upgraded using a root terminal window issuing the apt-get upgrade command |
| 21:28.39 | valdyn | _OrIoN_: autoboot services? do you mean services that are started when you boot? |
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| 21:28.54 | _OrIoN_ | valydyn yes, |
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| 21:29.06 | streuner | huhcool: from woody to sarge? |
| 21:29.21 | _OrIoN_ | I have installed a firewall controler called mason, now I see it is a bad idea and i want to stop it from autostart |
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| 21:29.45 | narinux | alguem ae sabe onde acho algo legal p/ instalar a geforce no debian |
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| 21:29.55 | valdyn | _OrIoN_: apt-get install sysvconfig, or remove the package or manually remove the link in /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 21:30.04 | black13 | ifup keeps give me "interface lo is already configured" ... it is not however |
| 21:30.07 | huhcool | streuner: nope I was running sarge (testing) all along .. well for the last 8 months .. while sarge was the testing version. |
| 21:30.11 | EmleyMoor | Can't see my motherboard clearly enough to see if the speaker wiring is correct |
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| 21:30.24 | EmleyMoor | (lack of light) |
| 21:30.30 | streuner | huhcool: and you have still testing in sources.list? |
| 21:30.35 | cheal | narinux: portuguese? |
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| 21:30.45 | _OrIoN_ | great, thanx alot.. removingthe package did not help.. i will try te other too |
| 21:31.02 | lauraw | black13: that happens when dhcp fails; use ifdown -a and if necessary, ifconfig eth0 down, then ifup -a again after you've fixed why dhcp failed |
| 21:31.08 | narinux | cheal, de preferencia mas se ñ tiver blz me viro |
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| 21:31.16 | streuner | huhcool: besides, that shouldn't matter, but what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 21:31.24 | narinux | cheal, foi mal kra eu pensei q tava na debian-br |
| 21:31.29 | EmleyMoor | (I need something that will, dead cert, make it beep to help me test) |
| 21:31.29 | narinux | cheal, desculpa |
| 21:31.30 | oskie | is there a proper way to make gcc 3.4 or even 4.0 the default gcc compiler? |
| 21:31.34 | black13 | thanks |
| 21:31.42 | greycat | oskie: ls -l /usr/bin/{cc,gcc} |
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| 21:31.57 | cheal | hum, I don't understand what narinux says much. |
| 21:32.08 | oskie | greycat: it's linked to gcc-3.3. |
| 21:32.11 | black13 | lauraw, whas is funny is that dhclient works fine |
| 21:32.17 | sae | is anyone else running into troubles installing locales? I got this message: tr_TR.ISO-8859-9...cannot open locale definition file `tr_TR': No such file or directory |
| 21:32.17 | sae | dpkg: error processing locales (--configure): |
| 21:32.17 | cheal | narinux: this is an english-only channel. #debian-br is for portuguese |
| 21:32.18 | BabThooka | Hello! :) Any1 here solved the i810_audio driver problem on 2.4.27, or y'all sick and tired of talking about it? |
| 21:32.22 | oskie | greycat: so you're saying i should change the link? but i guess there are many such links to change then.. |
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| 21:32.38 | huhcool | streuner: I have a logitech usb light-mouse .. testing is still listed in my sources ... so I guess my packages would be for woody now. |
| 21:32.41 | Incognito | EmleyMoor: remove the video card/RAM and then turn on your PC. :) |
| 21:32.46 | valdyn | oskie: man dpkg-divert |
| 21:32.59 | cheal | sae: did you try dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 21:33.06 | EmleyMoor | Incognito: Well, yes - but I'm on a system that's happily up right now |
| 21:33.10 | oskie | valdyn: sounds messy... |
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| 21:33.18 | valdyn | oskie: its safe to change links after that, its clean |
| 21:33.36 | streuner | huhcool: folow the steps of factoid usbmouse, its supposed to help _without_ udev |
| 21:33.42 | rikva | Can I restrict some users on a Debian server so they can't su to root? Like the wheel group in BSD? |
| 21:33.46 | valdyn | oskie: that tool is used by plenty debian packages too, not messy at all |
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| 21:33.49 | Incognito | EmleyMoor: just try the backspace thing on the console... or keep on pressing tab... |
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| 21:34.00 | streuner | huhcool: just run 'apt-get remove udev' and read what dpkg tell you |
| 21:34.08 | fanti | i try to setup an old isa (teles) isdn card. is there any way to see which irq, mem and io addresses are used by the card? |
| 21:34.09 | streuner | !tell huhcool about usbmouse |
| 21:34.10 | resiak | rikva: Yes, with pam |
| 21:34.20 | OFC|ACiD^pug | anyone knows how to setup irc clients to properly show euro symbol and some other ascii symbols ? (hex 90, 93, 97) |
| 21:34.26 | resiak | rikva: man su has references I think |
| 21:34.28 | amphi | rikva: mess with /etc/pam.d/su |
| 21:34.30 | sae | cheal: trying that now... |
| 21:34.38 | EmleyMoor | Incognito: Are either of those "dead-cert-will-definitely-make-it-beep" |
| 21:34.40 | EmleyMoor | ? |
| 21:34.41 | amphi | rikva: the file is well commented |
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| 21:34.53 | rikva | resiak: There is no wgroup like wheel? |
| 21:34.55 | BabThooka | rikva: I tried sudoing, and coulden't by default, for someone to be able to sodo, they must be specified in the file /etc/sudoers |
| 21:34.59 | Guntu | any one knows what Kernel Mode Linux is ? |
| 21:35.00 | Incognito | EmleyMoor: i think so... i've never really kept track of what makes the PC speaker beep. |
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| 21:35.14 | BabThooka | that's on sarge |
| 21:35.14 | Incognito | EmleyMoor: i've just tried both of course. |
| 21:35.24 | amphi | Guntu: !UML |
| 21:35.25 | sae | on reconfigure, i get this: tr_TR.ISO-8859-9...LC_MONETARY: value of field `int_curr_symbol' does not correspond to a valid name in ISO 4217 |
| 21:35.28 | amphi | presumably |
| 21:35.30 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: Depends on the client you are using. You can probably find a solution for the client you are using by searching on google. |
| 21:35.39 | Guntu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.39 | dpkg | i guess uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 21:35.42 | OFC|ACiD^pug | im using xchat |
| 21:35.45 | oskie | valdyn: but the question is, what files should I divert? /usr/bin/gcc? /usr/bin/cpp? other? |
| 21:35.48 | rikva | amphi, resiak, thanks, that file is indeed well documented |
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| 21:35.54 | OFC|ACiD^pug | but on bitchx it doenst show either |
| 21:36.14 | resiak | amphi: Thanks for that pointer |
| 21:36.18 | Guntu | so what kernel mode linux usefull for ? |
| 21:36.18 | valdyn | oskie: gcc,cpp and whatever else you use.. gcov,gccbug,g++ |
| 21:36.24 | OFC|ACiD^pug | but in mozilla-firefox and aterm and console it works |
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| 21:36.30 | Guntu | testing new kernels and stuff like that ? |
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| 21:36.41 | Guntu | virtualization ? |
| 21:36.56 | jasoncohen | is there a tool to search for bug report info based on bug # rather than package? |
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| 21:37.04 | amphi | resiak: ? |
| 21:37.08 | tcsetattr | querybts '#12345' works |
| 21:37.30 | BabThooka | No1 tried fixing a i810_audio driver problem on sarge (2.4.27)? |
| 21:37.32 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: Have you tried irssi? |
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| 21:37.40 | valdyn | oskie: gcj too if you have it, not sure if there's anything else.. |
| 21:37.41 | jasoncohen | tcsetattr, thanks |
| 21:37.43 | quittt | how do I set up modules to start with the kernel? |
| 21:37.53 | sae | is there a way to fool apt-get into thinking that a broken package is fixed? because if I delete the tr_TR related files in locales, then I can run the locale-gen adn it will complete. but then when I run apt-get -f install it tries to unpack the archive again |
| 21:37.58 | OFC|ACiD^pug | beardy, no but i try now ... wait a sec |
| 21:37.59 | resiak | amphi: What you told rikva |
| 21:38.01 | black13 | what does the file /etc/network/run/ifstate do or rather is this a dynamic file |
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| 21:38.22 | jj | Does Debian Sarge suck more than WindOS? |
| 21:38.23 | resiak | OFC|ACiD^pug: Your charset doesn't match the others' |
| 21:38.31 | resiak | jj: Fuck off |
| 21:38.33 | beardy | jj: Die troll. |
| 21:38.52 | jj | The new installation of Debian Sarge is so long ridiculus. |
| 21:39.03 | jj | beardy, it's Ubuntu based. |
| 21:39.11 | trave11er | :-0 |
| 21:39.13 | resiak | !ops jj is a troll |
| 21:39.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jj is a troll |
| 21:39.19 | trave11er | err, :-) |
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| 21:39.41 | OFC|ACiD^pug | i have set LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-15 |
| 21:39.58 | tcsetattr | sae, how about using dpkg-divert on the broken files? |
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| 21:40.24 | jj | resiak, tell me why Debian wants to load some useless modules I don't need during the installation.. Something like floppy on my ASUS.. |
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| 21:40.32 | jj | resiak, Woody rocks. |
| 21:40.35 | rikva | Does anyone have an idea why suddenly my /etc/security/limits.conf is just like it used to be -- without my changes? |
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| 21:40.43 | Guntu | whats the use to this kernel mode thing ? |
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| 21:40.51 | resiak | jj: Whatever. It works for me |
| 21:41.03 | Eulex | !tell Guntu about smart questions |
| 21:41.06 | balony | How well does a single linuxbox (no cluster) handle 22k users? |
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| 21:41.15 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.16 | jj | resiak, it sucks for you too. I want to know why the installation is Ubuntu based.. |
| 21:41.16 | resiak | Guntu: Ask Google about user mode linux |
| 21:41.17 | Shay | :/ |
| 21:41.21 | jbroome | balony: poorly? :) |
| 21:41.21 | Shay | I wanna go to debconf5 |
| 21:41.22 | wols_ | balony: depends what the users do |
| 21:41.23 | jbroome | i dunno |
| 21:41.27 | balony | wols_: mail and web |
| 21:41.37 | rikva | valdyn: I'm afraid I wasn't asked for anything... :o |
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| 21:41.46 | beardy | balony: Give it a try. |
| 21:41.47 | jj | resiak, well.. I had a box of a friend.. I tried to upgrade the system.. I completely fucked up all the system. |
| 21:41.48 | _OrIoN_ | guys what is the best and easiest firewall available in debian package ? |
| 21:41.48 | Guntu | im reading the page but cant figure out what the use ? |
| 21:41.49 | wols_ | pop3 or imap? and web being a proxy? |
| 21:41.53 | Eulex | jj: debian install is debian installer... nothing else |
| 21:41.54 | sae | tcsetattr - thanks - I will try that |
| 21:41.54 | resiak | jj: Ubuntu's is Debian-based. That's why it's called debian-installer |
| 21:41.56 | quittt | what is it? NTFS-fs error (device hda1): ntfs_ucstonls(): Unicode name contains characters that cannot be converted to character set cp |
| 21:42.17 | beardy | !ubuntu |
| 21:42.17 | dpkg | [ubuntu] NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 21:42.19 | jj | resiak, from Woody to Sarge.. problems with libssl and other stuff.. I don't know why.. I WAS a debian lover.. now.. |
| 21:42.21 | rikva | valdyn: please slap me. I was logged in on the wrong box. |
| 21:42.22 | balony | wols_: like a normal setup with a webhotel and pop/imap mail. http://domain.com/~username |
| 21:42.30 | balony | beardy: hmm, yeah, hehe |
| 21:42.34 | valdyn | !slap rikva |
| 21:42.38 | resiak | jj: Did you read the install notes? |
| 21:42.47 | quittt | what is that? |
| 21:43.13 | jj | resiak, no I thinked, it was cool like always. I just readed the kind of boots (that are the same for Ubuntu-sucker).. |
| 21:43.23 | resiak | jj: Why the hell not? |
| 21:43.34 | jj | resiak, 'cause I neved did it! :) |
| 21:43.39 | wols_ | balony: if the web is only static html and the mail is pop3 only it can probably do it. provided you have a fat pipe for it |
| 21:43.56 | jj | resiak, I'm only hungry about the box that was fucked up and the useless modules loaded.. :) |
| 21:44.03 | resiak | jj: There are notes on how to upgrade |
| 21:44.09 | greycat | Yet Another Reason why debian needs to release more often. |
| 21:44.15 | balony | wols_: if I have to go for some sort of cluster. Where can I find information about that kind of setup online? |
| 21:44.25 | greycat | !etch pool 1 |
| 21:44.25 | dpkg | caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 greycat=2007-07-07 resiak=2007-04-21! |
| 21:44.31 | jj | resiak, really? |
| 21:44.45 | resiak | jj: Yes |
| 21:44.47 | jj | resiak, I thinked a dist-upgrade was enough! :) |
| 21:44.57 | resiak | jj: Look on debian.org |
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| 21:45.11 | quittt | NTFS-fs error (device hda1): ntfs_ucstonls(): Unicode name contains characters that cannot be converted to character set cp437. What is this? |
| 21:45.11 | wols_ | no clue. the only clustering for a mailserver I know is cyrus murder |
| 21:45.19 | OFC|ACiD^pug | beardy, irssi doesnt show the symbols right, too |
| 21:45.22 | Eulex | jj: this is three years of upgrades... even debian doesn't handle that flawlessly without user interaction |
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| 21:45.41 | jj | Okei. |
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| 21:46.00 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: Choose the correct locale. |
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| 21:46.11 | error403 | does anybody here use XFCE, who can tell me how to get the system monitor for the XFCE panel? |
| 21:46.11 | OFC|ACiD^pug | which ? :> |
| 21:46.18 | jj | Eulex, okei but why it loads modules I don't need? (If I try to delete them it gives me errors). |
| 21:46.19 | jj | :( |
| 21:46.27 | sideone | created a deb kernel, using http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTDEB-KERNEL-PKG .. i think i need an initrd line as well, but dont seem the image, how do i creat this? |
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| 21:46.47 | Eulex | error403: what version of xfce? |
| 21:47.12 | Eulex | jj: I dunno... why not just let them be there? they don't use many k of memory... |
| 21:47.12 | quittt | does anyone knows what is that? |
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| 21:47.25 | wols_ | sideone: don't use initrd. compile stuff you need to boot into your kernel (root filesystem, disk controller driver). and you are fine |
| 21:47.25 | Eulex | !tell quittt about repeat |
| 21:47.48 | sideone | hmm i get a kern panic when booting |
| 21:48.00 | sideone | thats the diff line in grub from the default kerns to mine. |
| 21:48.06 | error403 | Eulex, the latest i am guessing... i installed via apt-get |
| 21:48.13 | error403 | Eulex, running Sarge |
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| 21:48.20 | resiak | sideone: Read the chapter in d-r |
| 21:48.22 | wols_ | sideone: cause you can't the filesystem and the driver in your kernel. you have them as modules and that is bad |
| 21:48.26 | resiak | !tell sideone -about d-p |
| 21:48.28 | resiak | !tell sideone -about d-r |
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| 21:48.58 | sideone | wols_, sorry? |
| 21:49.06 | sideone | what driver? |
| 21:49.06 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: The one that supports the eurosymbol, if that was what you were after. |
| 21:49.24 | wols_ | sideone: for your IDE chipset |
| 21:49.31 | sideone | im using sata |
| 21:49.44 | wols_ | that's still IDE |
| 21:49.44 | sideone | just got a dell pe |
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| 21:49.50 | sideone | k, just scsi emu? |
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| 21:50.21 | OFC|ACiD^pug | beardy, well, i have set LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-15 in /etc/environment |
| 21:50.38 | Eulex | error403: the latest xfce4 in etch is 4.0.6, which is old... you should follow the instructions at http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/ to get 4.2.1.1 |
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| 21:51.03 | resiak | OFC|ACiD^pug: The people to whom you're talking are probably using UTF-8 |
| 21:51.22 | streuner | !etch pool 1 =~ s/!/! streuner=2006-06-06/ |
| 21:51.23 | dpkg | streuner: OK |
| 21:51.27 | sideone | so, i cant have filesystem and ide in my kern? |
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| 21:51.33 | streuner | dpkg, etch pool 1 |
| 21:51.33 | dpkg | caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! streuner=2006-06-06 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 greycat=2007-07-07 resiak=2007-04-21! |
| 21:51.37 | resiak | streuner: Heheh |
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| 21:51.46 | streuner | one year ;-) |
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| 21:52.18 | error403 | Eulex, thanks for your help, but i found it in an apt-cache search anyway |
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| 21:52.34 | Eulex | error403: ok... but you should still upgrade |
| 21:52.40 | OFC|ACiD^pug | ok, thans for your help guys |
| 21:52.56 | Eulex | error403: there are many new features and enhancements |
| 21:52.59 | sideone | is this the line i should change: <M> Enhanced IDE/MFM/RLL disk/cdrom/tape/floppy support ? |
| 21:53.12 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-euro-support/index.en.html resiak is probably right. |
| 21:53.18 | resiak | sideone: Why are you rolling your own kernel |
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| 21:53.37 | sideone | res, to trim down some errors |
| 21:53.39 | sideone | and fat. |
| 21:53.43 | sideone | and lock down the network |
| 21:53.48 | sideone | section. |
| 21:54.07 | sideone | been on unix* for a while, just getting back into lin* |
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| 21:54.35 | beardy | Don't use words you don't know how to use. |
| 21:54.43 | sideone | arf? |
| 21:54.52 | jeffx | where can i put custom commands in debian that run at boot like rc.local in other distros? |
| 21:54.57 | resiak | sideone: There's no point in rolling your own, then |
| 21:55.00 | resiak | !rc.local |
| 21:55.00 | dpkg | i guess rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 21:55.42 | sideone | resiak, really? |
| 21:56.03 | resiak | sideone: All of the reasons you gave either make no sense or are not reasons |
| 21:56.18 | sideone | resiak, you dont think turning off multicast is a good reson? |
| 21:56.21 | mike | g'day, i just upgraded my apt and it said that base-config was kept-back. i did a dist-upgrade, and it is still kept back. What is going on here? |
| 21:56.23 | resiak | sideone: No |
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| 21:56.29 | sideone | i think it is. |
| 21:56.32 | resiak | sideone: Why? |
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| 21:56.57 | tcsetattr | mike, do a apt-get install base-config and see what it says. |
| 21:57.09 | sideone | cause the segment i am on is full of all types of chatter. |
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| 21:57.17 | resiak | sideone: ...and? |
| 21:57.20 | sideone | got router adv every .004 seconds. |
| 21:57.28 | sideone | anyways, listeen |
| 21:57.33 | michal_ | anyone know which dependancy of gnome-core requires mozilla-browser? |
| 21:57.35 | michal_ | in sid |
| 21:57.42 | mike | The following packages will be REMOVED: tasksel The following packages will be upgraded: base-config |
| 21:57.45 | mike | wtf?? |
| 21:57.45 | sideone | im not really asking about if its a good idea or not |
| 21:57.53 | sideone | just had a question on how to get around this issue. |
| 21:57.53 | resiak | sideone: Look, mate, I'm trying to save you wasting your time |
| 21:57.55 | tcsetattr | mike, try apt-get install tasksel base-config |
| 21:58.00 | sideone | didnt want to start a flame. |
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| 21:58.09 | resiak | sideone: I already told you what to read |
| 21:58.10 | Eulex | sideone: your computer should be fast enough to handle that ;) |
| 21:58.30 | mike | The following packages have unmet dependencies: base-config: Conflicts: tasksel (< 2.25) but 2.24 is to be installed |
| 21:58.45 | resiak | mike: Checked the BTS? |
| 21:58.47 | michal_ | i don't understand why i need mozilla-browser :/ |
| 21:58.56 | sideone | resiak, still looking over it |
| 21:58.59 | sideone | great page btw. |
| 21:59.01 | mike | resiak: i havn't done anything |
| 21:59.02 | resiak | michal_: man apt-get? |
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| 21:59.32 | resiak | mike: You're running Sid. Check the BTS |
| 21:59.44 | mike | resiak: where? |
| 21:59.51 | valdyn | michal_: epiphany needs mozilla-browser for rendering and is part of gnome.. |
| 21:59.55 | mike | resiak: i am running testing |
| 21:59.55 | resiak | !btssmite mike |
| 22:00.02 | resiak | mike: Oh :) |
| 22:00.24 | resiak | mike: Sorry, I misread. Still check it |
| 22:00.31 | mike | resiak: kk |
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| 22:00.39 | michal_ | valdyn: but epiphany isn't being installed.. just mozilla-browser |
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| 22:01.39 | valdyn | michal_: right, since you're only installing gnome-core..looking |
| 22:01.52 | valdyn | michal_: which gnome release is it? |
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| 22:02.12 | michal_ | valdyn: Version: 1:2.10.1.1 |
| 22:02.52 | michal_ | wish there was a "trace-dep" switch or something like that |
| 22:02.58 | valdyn | michal_: yelp uses mozilla now for rendering, apt-cache depends yelp |
| 22:03.07 | mike | resiak: i can't see it anywhere |
| 22:03.21 | resiak | mike: File a bug? |
| 22:03.36 | mike | resiak: i guess i might |
| 22:04.40 | michal_ | valdyn: doh.. that sucks.. i use firefox.. thanks |
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| 22:05.27 | jasoncohen | lol, now i feel dumb. the reason that i couldn't use the webcam in gnome is because the gnome user didn't have rights to group video |
| 22:05.48 | valdyn | michal_: unfortunately the mozilla devs still havent split out the rendering engine, so cant have 1 engine for yelp, mozilla,firefox and whatever =/ |
| 22:05.52 | mike | resiak: where do i have to send this report? |
| 22:06.05 | error403 | Erm, i have another question for XFCE users... Is it possible to create a launcher button that will run a command as root? |
| 22:06.14 | michal_ | valdyn: i thought the gtk2 component had been split out :/ |
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| 22:06.19 | jdhutchin1 | error403, use sudo? |
| 22:06.47 | error403 | jdhutchin1, wont it then freeze because it needs an input? |
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| 22:07.11 | jdhutchin1 | error403, you can set it up to run in a terminal or make sudo not require a password |
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| 22:09.28 | error403 | jdhutchin1, how? when i try telling it to run in terminal, i get the "This isnt the way you use Sudo, you idiot!" error |
| 22:09.29 | error403 | hehe |
| 22:09.56 | myren | DAMNIT, module-assistant, WORK damn you, WORK. i CANNOT get frakking realtime-lsm to compile. GGGRRR |
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| 22:11.31 | jdhutchin1 | error403, actually, you want 'gnome-sudo' |
| 22:11.33 | fanti | w |
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| 22:12.00 | jdhutchin1 | error403, or gksu or gksudo or gksuexec |
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| 22:12.35 | kazim | hi |
| 22:12.52 | FieldySnuts | hello |
| 22:12.59 | kazim | i m looking for a good site, for help me to make a graph with static data from mysql |
| 22:13.19 | devazion | kazim, Thats cool ;) |
| 22:13.32 | kazim | lol |
| 22:13.34 | PolarWolf | kazim: I used jfreechart for it, but I assume you won't like that it's Java |
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| 22:13.45 | kazim | ouch |
| 22:13.58 | kazim | you're right :( i have java nowhere on the server :( |
| 22:14.04 | zaikxtox | hello . someone has been able to record sound with the VIA823x sound cards? |
| 22:14.12 | Blissex | zaikxtox: yes. |
| 22:14.46 | zaikxtox | Blissex, thanks. i know now that it's just a problem on my config |
| 22:15.05 | zaikxtox | Blissex, do you use alsa? |
| 22:15.05 | mike | how do i find out the version of a package again? |
| 22:15.15 | Blissex | zaikxtox: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html has a specific section on that. |
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| 22:15.35 | zaikxtox | wow. thanks you a lot! |
| 22:15.38 | thingfish | mike: dpkg -s packagename |
| 22:16.05 | mike | thanks thingfish |
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| 22:16.56 | thingfish | No problem, mike. Doing man <commandname> is helpful in instances like that. |
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| 22:18.34 | relb1 | I'm trying to setup a debian box as a home router and want dhcpd to give dhcp clients the nameservers that the router itself gets. dhcpd.conf only seems to accept fixed IP addresses. is there a way around this? |
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| 22:19.19 | nullfoo | On Debian Sarge 3.1, I have no mouse. |
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| 22:19.41 | nullfoo | I can't find anything about my Microsoft PS/2 mouse in dmesg. |
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| 22:20.13 | nullfoo | I have the IntelliMouse 1.3A |
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| 22:20.20 | Blissex | nullfoo: you gotta configure it... PS2 mice are not as easy to autodetect as USB mice. |
| 22:20.24 | error403 | Thanks jdhutchin1, that gksudo did exactly what i needed it to! |
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| 22:21.33 | Blissex | zaikxtox: did you find the 82xx notes and how to record? |
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| 22:22.09 | dpryo | relb1: Set up a proxy-dns/caching-dns/recursive on your router, and set your clients to use that one as dns. |
| 22:22.24 | nullfoo | What do I configure to get the kernel to see my mouse? |
| 22:22.40 | PolarWolf | nullfoo: nothing, just PS2 support. |
| 22:22.48 | PolarWolf | nullfoo: EVerything else is X's job |
| 22:22.59 | nullfoo | I have never had to configure a mouse further than gpm or XF86Config-4 |
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| 22:23.22 | nullfoo | Strange that I see nothing in dmesg about a pointing device. |
| 22:23.50 | CaPu | can someone help me out with setting up debian? |
| 22:23.50 | PolarWolf | nullfoo: should there be? |
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| 22:24.19 | devazion | CaPu: Setting up debian? On the wall? |
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| 22:24.36 | CaPu | lol.. sure |
| 22:24.36 | PolarWolf | nullfoo: grep for "PS" |
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| 22:24.43 | Blissex | CaPu: consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 on how to ask more useful questions... |
| 22:24.45 | devazion | CaPu: Query me i can help you out! Got nothing to do anyway ;D |
| 22:24.47 | nullfoo | Well, when I run xf86cfg it doesn't see a mouse. |
| 22:24.51 | CaPu | i just cant seem to get the GUI going |
| 22:24.52 | nullfoo | Play. |
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| 22:25.06 | drac | nullfoo: Kernel needs 'mousedev' to provide /dev/input/mice, and 'usbhid' for USB Mice and 'psmouse' for PS/2 mouse. both are in same device. |
| 22:25.06 | thingfish | CaPu: what he's saying is, what exactly do you mean? |
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| 22:25.14 | thingfish | ok |
| 22:25.35 | alvanson | crap... I have a directory starting with '--' |
| 22:25.40 | alvanson | how do I cd to it? |
| 22:25.50 | kelan | alvanson: cd \-\- |
| 22:26.08 | alvanson | cd: --: invalid option |
| 22:26.12 | kelan | hmm |
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| 22:26.29 | greycat | cd ./-- |
| 22:26.32 | resiak | alvanson: cd -- -- |
| 22:26.39 | alvanson | excellence |
| 22:26.40 | alvanson | thanks |
| 22:26.41 | cyclus | i have a problem dual booting with winXP. after choosing windows in grub menu it says "missing NTLDR" |
| 22:26.47 | kelan | silly dashes |
| 22:27.06 | nullfoo | I can't fidn anything in dmesg when I grep for anything like mouse, ps, PS, etc. |
| 22:27.09 | gary | Is there any cool free games for linux that are pretty fun and addictive to play. Im really bored at the minute :D |
| 22:27.26 | resiak | gary: enigma, neverball |
| 22:27.29 | jbmigel | gary: nethack |
| 22:27.33 | resiak | gary: netha... |
| 22:27.38 | cyclus | gary: benny.kramekweb.com |
| 22:27.42 | jeffx | gary: you can destroy your system and setup it up again :| |
| 22:27.44 | PolarWolf | gary: There's a gazillion of card games, you got tuxracer, frozen bubble, nethack... |
| 22:27.56 | nullfoo | gary: Gentoo is a nice game. I play with that when I get bored. |
| 22:28.00 | greycat | freeciv |
| 22:28.01 | thingfish | don't play blackjack; it's very depressing. |
| 22:28.11 | graeme | gary, don't fall for the nethack, it will eat your life. |
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| 22:28.19 | gary | jeffx: I've done that too many times though :D |
| 22:28.27 | gary | jeffx: speaking of which i should really back it up |
| 22:28.37 | gary | graeme: is it good then ? |
| 22:28.44 | graeme | gary: the best. |
| 22:28.51 | jbmigel | so I am trying to get dmix running and have created .asoundrc file and edits.. but still no two sounds, do i maybe need to install something extra for dmix?? |
| 22:29.35 | graeme | gary: just make sure you call all of your friends and tell them that you're going into a hole for a few weeks, and shouldn't take it personally. |
| 22:30.02 | Darth_Sidious | can somebody tell me what cds do i need to install sarge? is it ok with the first one only? |
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| 22:30.18 | nullfoo | Darth_Sidious: Read the documentation. |
| 22:30.29 | jeffx | Darth_Sidious: use the force!? |
| 22:30.38 | jim | Darth_Sidious: a coupla floppies would be enough... you don't -need- any cd images |
| 22:30.40 | Darth_Sidious | nullfoo i've done that but it says nothing about that |
| 22:31.06 | zaikxtox | Blissex, what kernel version and alsa version are you using? |
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| 22:31.25 | Blissex | zaikxtox: because? |
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| 22:31.26 | jim | Darth_Sidious: what's your net connection you'd use for the machine you're installing onto? |
| 22:31.32 | FieldySnuts | !irritate comcast.net |
| 22:31.33 | dpkg | comcast.net: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh quake3 U FUX0RZ |
| 22:31.38 | cyclus | how can i turn off the annoying bash beep? |
| 22:31.46 | Darth_Sidious | dsl |
| 22:31.48 | jim | bash it! |
| 22:31.55 | zaikxtox | Blissex, i can't still make my VIA823X record sound |
| 22:31.57 | FieldySnuts | "debain" i just noticed that |
| 22:32.10 | jim | Darth_Sidious: ok, can you boot from floppy? do you have floppy drive? |
| 22:32.14 | nullfoo | !irritate ipt.aol.com |
| 22:32.15 | dpkg | ipt.aol.com: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde ???/ |
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| 22:32.22 | jim | do you have a few blank floppies? :) |
| 22:32.23 | silenius | cyclus: man bash<ENTER>/audible<ENTER> |
| 22:32.34 | Darth_Sidious | no, i don't use floppies... |
| 22:32.50 | jbmigel | Darth_Sidious just get first cd, and install man its easy you dont need nothing else |
| 22:32.50 | jim | well... |
| 22:32.54 | Blissex | zaikxtox: pls explain the relationship between «what kernel version and alsa version are you using?» and «i can't still make my VIA823X record sound» |
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| 22:32.56 | frontline | hey fellas, any of you know if there is a program similar to "hotline" that combines the features of ftp/irc/messaging/p2p? Hotline is kind of a dead project, and I'm wandering if anything else got started along those lines? |
| 22:33.00 | Blissex | zaikxtox: also, also |
| 22:33.09 | jim | are you looking for the minimum initial download? |
| 22:33.15 | Darth_Sidious | ok, that's all i needed to know, just the first one. Thanks !! :D |
| 22:33.24 | Blissex | frontline: not quite, but check beetlebee |
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| 22:33.31 | zaikxtox | Blissex, sometimes a version has bugs . and as you have it worknig... |
| 22:33.47 | graeme | Blissex: bitlbee isn't really for that. |
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| 22:34.01 | Blissex | graeme: in part... |
| 22:34.10 | frontline | blissex: alright, thanks dude |
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| 22:34.41 | graeme | well, it merges irc and IM, but it aint no warezin' app like hotline. |
| 22:35.00 | frontline | blissex: is tried googling for it, nothing shows up? do you know the webpage for it? |
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| 22:35.04 | zaikxtox | Blissex, thanks again.i found it :D |
| 22:35.21 | jbmigel | so i have successfully tested alsa dmix plugin and it appears to work, however after configuring .asoundrc file for it i cant play xmms and totem movie at the same time... any ideas? |
| 22:35.22 | quittt | !exim4 |
| 22:35.23 | dpkg | somebody said exim4 was an easy to configure and also powerfull MTA licensed under the GPL, a great sendmail replacement. apt-get able debs for woody are available at http://www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler/debian/exim4manpages/, or set to have ident checking on by default, which will slow down connect times drastically. See /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options for the fix |
| 22:35.25 | cyclus | silenius, i did set bell-style none |
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| 22:35.48 | quittt | is exim4 usefull for desktop? |
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| 22:35.54 | graeme | frontline: it's spelled bitlbee. |
| 22:36.01 | cyclus | silenius, but it still beeps...!! |
| 22:36.09 | graeme | frontline: but i don't think it's what you're looking for. |
| 22:36.31 | resiak | BitlBee is _awesome_ |
| 22:36.49 | frontline | graeme: ok, I'll check it out though. thank you. |
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| 22:37.12 | gary | nearly deleted /usr then |
| 22:37.15 | gary | instead of ./usr |
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| 22:37.21 | graeme | resiak: is it though? |
| 22:37.32 | quittt | !nviboot |
| 22:37.32 | petemc | cyclus: try setterm -blength 0 |
| 22:37.44 | gary | nearly as bad as the time i did: chown -R gary:gary / instead of ./ |
| 22:37.45 | devazion | gary: Good job! :D Glad you didn't ;D |
| 22:37.48 | gary | yea |
| 22:37.49 | gary | :D |
| 22:37.58 | cyclus | petemc, beep beep |
| 22:38.08 | graeme | resiak: i'm +fan of centericq |
| 22:38.41 | cyclus | petemc, good idea |
| 22:38.47 | BabThooka | Hello! Anyone here fixed the i810_audio problem on sarge? If I don't blacklist it, sarge will hang on boot, if I blacklist it, alsaconf won't see it (at least I think that is why alsaconf doesn't see it) - Any ideas? |
| 22:38.50 | devazion | Take shelter! That guy shouldnt defuse! He aint got defuse kit and time is running out! Terrorists win |
| 22:38.54 | petemc | cyclus: what terminal? |
| 22:39.03 | cyclus | konsole |
| 22:39.31 | petemc | cyclus: poked around its options, or in the kde control center , or tried xset -b ? |
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| 22:39.54 | cyclus | petemc, YES! |
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| 22:39.59 | silenius | cyclus: make sure it is set in current env according to man-page, if it does not help, try visible |
| 22:40.18 | cyclus | petemc, should i put this command in .profile? |
| 22:40.22 | resiak | graeme: centericq has a number of drawbacks. It isn't irssi, it never worked for me, and it misspells centre. ;-) |
| 22:40.30 | silenius | cyclus: sorry, cannot debug it, as i don't have the bash here but only on a server in which i browsed the man-page :/ |
| 22:40.47 | petemc | cyclus: its only relevant to the x window system |
| 22:40.55 | otroean | Hi. Where do i find the option to choose between kernel 2.4 an d2.6 i Debian 4.1 installation? |
| 22:41.06 | otroean | 3.1 |
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| 22:41.11 | graeme | resiak: i like that it keeps nice orderly logs of all my chats, in a way that bitlbee through irssi doesn't really do. |
| 22:41.38 | graeme | resiak: i also like that i don't have to blist to see who's online, i guess there are hacks for that.. but still. |
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| 22:41.59 | resiak | otroean: Read the help screen on boot |
| 22:42.05 | resiak | graeme: What |
| 22:42.10 | cyclus | no beep |
| 22:42.10 | otroean | thnx |
| 22:42.10 | resiak | Err |
| 22:42.41 | resiak | graeme: What's wrong with the logs? And /na is in my muscle memory |
| 22:42.55 | resiak | graeme: I use Gaim though :) |
| 22:42.59 | graeme | resiak: maybe i don't have my irssi conf'd all up right. |
| 22:43.06 | surreal | could anyone tell me why i cant use 1600x1200 resolution when its defined in my XF86Config-4? |
| 22:43.41 | jbmigel | surreal maybe you dont have the proper video drivers installed... are you using vesa driver? |
| 22:43.43 | resiak | graeme: I mean... if you weren't talking to them in /msg then I see your point |
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| 22:44.26 | graeme | resiak: but even then, having something which caches all your previous conversations and dumps the logs into the chatscreen is one of my favourite ways to IM. |
| 22:44.39 | resiak | graeme: Gaim! |
| 22:44.56 | resiak | ;-) |
| 22:45.10 | graeme | resiak: textmode, runs in screen, so i don't loose my logs when i'm at work, or at joes house, or whereever. |
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| 22:45.22 | cyclus | debian is the best distro i tried. very clean. you know exactly what's installed |
| 22:45.29 | morpheus_ | Hola |
| 22:45.31 | surreal | jbl, how do i tell which driver it's actually using? |
| 22:45.35 | surreal | jbmigel* |
| 22:45.36 | graeme | cyclus: we are toally the choir |
| 22:45.52 | surreal | it's supposed to be using the fglrx driver as defined in the config, but lsmod doesn't show that |
| 22:45.55 | nullfoo | cyclus: Slackware is like that too, but with Debian you get a decent package manager. :) |
| 22:46.02 | resiak | graeme: I'm kidding you |
| 22:46.16 | cyclus | slack is also good. very light |
| 22:46.17 | jbmigel | surreal its also in your XF86Config-4 file, um are you sure you installed fglrx propoerly? |
| 22:46.48 | cyclus | but every distro tries to make something like apt-get. like yum in fedora |
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| 22:47.13 | nullfoo | Well, I set X to use /dev/tty0 as the mouse, but this hangs the machine. :\ |
| 22:47.15 | cc | hi |
| 22:47.15 | tarzeau | cyclus: they don't have as much software as debian, do they? |
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| 22:47.29 | surreal | jb is there a way to see what driver my video card is using? |
| 22:47.30 | cyclus | tarzeau, poor repos |
| 22:47.32 | jbmigel | surreal "glxinfo | grep direct" will tell you if fglrx is running |
| 22:47.45 | cyclus | surreal, XF86Config, driver section |
| 22:47.49 | tarzeau | cyclus: that's just the effect |
| 22:47.58 | surreal | direct rendering: No |
| 22:47.58 | surreal | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 22:48.01 | surreal | so ill take that as a no |
| 22:48.02 | surreal | heh |
| 22:48.04 | tarzeau | cyclus: what is caused "poor repos", by unhappy users |
| 22:48.07 | cc | i'm running unstable and latest mozilla-firefox, but I can't paste with the middle button, nor copy by marking text in firefox. any ideas why? |
| 22:48.08 | otroean | Trying to install my SB Live! Modell : SB0200 card but Alsa can't find it. ?? |
| 22:48.10 | tarzeau | cyclus: debian users are happy users |
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| 22:48.22 | tarzeau | cyclus: because they can change to debian, and contribute |
| 22:48.23 | sideone | im having mysql issues, just installed mysql (-client,-server) do i need anything else? |
| 22:48.28 | cc | copy and paste works fine in all other X apps |
| 22:48.41 | sideone | i get startup errors, i also changed the data dir |
| 22:48.41 | cyclus | it'll sound trolish but in fedora too many things crashed. debian is very stable |
| 22:48.42 | jbmigel | surreal here is a very good debian ati howto http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:49.05 | surreal | thanks :) |
| 22:49.07 | tarzeau | cyclus: it's okay, on weekends you can do anything here |
| 22:49.27 | bluefox83 | how do i find the dns server addresses my system is using? |
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| 22:49.39 | de_mon | When I got up this morning my server had lost power (I'm blaming a faulty PSU) now one of the HD's a maxtor, says INVALID GEOMETRY: 0 PHYSICAL HEADS? and the machine only boots if I disable 'halt on all errors' |
| 22:49.41 | paulswm | cyclus: It's only trolling if you are dissing debian :) |
| 22:49.42 | jbmigel | surreal np just take it slow it works great if you follow everything there |
| 22:49.45 | streuner_ | bluefox83: DHCP? |
| 22:49.49 | cyclus | bluefox83, cat /etc/nameserver |
| 22:49.59 | de_mon | how screwed is it? |
| 22:50.04 | bluefox83 | streuner_, yeah i do use dhcp |
| 22:50.17 | tarzeau | bluefox83: resolv.conf in /etc |
| 22:50.23 | de_mon | oh and, can I fix it myself? |
| 22:50.30 | streuner_ | bluefox83: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:50.38 | cyclus | yes |
| 22:50.44 | tarzeau | cyclus: nameserver? is it so on fedora? |
| 22:50.48 | bluefox83 | ah, found them! thank you ^_^ |
| 22:50.55 | cc | has noone had problems with copy/paste in firefox? |
| 22:51.08 | tarzeau | streuner_: you should've also had nice weather where you are, haven't you? |
| 22:51.16 | cyclus | tarzeau, :) it's the line in resolv.conf |
| 22:51.18 | tarzeau | cc: yes i did. firefox sucks |
| 22:51.45 | cc | tarzeau: :D |
| 22:52.02 | cc | tarzeau: what do you suggest as an alternative? |
| 22:52.12 | coNP | firefox can display weather forecasts, too :) |
| 22:52.12 | resiak | cc: There's a long-running bug on their bugzilla about it. Galeon |
| 22:52.14 | jbmigel | ie |
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| 22:52.22 | plugwash | !etch |
| 22:52.22 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 22:52.22 | cyclus | tarzeau, do you know /etc/rc.d/ directory in fedora? |
| 22:52.24 | streuner_ | tarzeau: well, about 30 C. |
| 22:52.29 | tarzeau | cc: links2 -g or dillo until there's a GNUstep InternetWebBrowser |
| 22:52.41 | plugwash | is there any info yet on what the big plans are for etch? |
| 22:53.02 | cc | dillo? |
| 22:53.07 | tarzeau | !dillo |
| 22:53.07 | dpkg | [dillo] a GTK+ based browser that's small, stable, developer-friendly, usable, fast, and extensible. http://dillo.sourceforge.net/, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/dillo.png, or damned fast, but no frames |
| 22:53.38 | FieldySnuts | it does hav eframes these days |
| 22:53.42 | FieldySnuts | ack system being beat up |
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| 22:54.00 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 22:54.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 22:54.30 | cc | !galeon |
| 22:54.30 | dpkg | galeon is, like, a pretty cool browser with a very fast interface based on gnome and gecko (mozilla rendering engine). More info at http://galeon.sourceforge.net/. add 'deb http://people.spacelabs.nl/~paul browser-gtk1.2/' to your sources list for galeon 1.2.9+mozilla 1.3, or a browser that has sucked since version 1.3.x |
| 22:54.52 | FieldySnuts | !start a browser war |
| 22:54.52 | dpkg | Opera is cooler than links! |
| 22:56.51 | de_mon | !start a browser war |
| 22:56.51 | dpkg | Opera crashes less than links! |
| 22:56.55 | de_mon | heh |
| 22:56.59 | coNP | !firefox |
| 22:56.59 | dpkg | from memory, mozilla-firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 22:57.13 | plugwash | why would anyonw wan't to use opera |
| 22:57.15 | tarzeau | coNP: bullshit. mozilla sucks |
| 22:57.26 | streuner_ | tarzeau: to give you a clue about, i didn't use ':--(' since ages ... ;-) |
| 22:57.27 | plugwash | you either have to pay for it or put up with huge add banners |
| 22:57.31 | jbmigel | I thought opera cost money |
| 22:58.11 | jbmigel | id rather spend my cash on real opera lol |
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| 22:59.52 | streuner_ | tarzeau: true, but opera sucks more ;-) |
| 23:00.07 | leonel | but a vacuum cleaner suck even more |
| 23:00.17 | Eulex | wooo! I've got fglrx running, using the prebuilt binaries... it wasn't hard, I just followed the instructions |
| 23:00.20 | plugwash | even with dpkgs provocations we don't seem to get any real flamewars here :( |
| 23:00.28 | streuner_ | you have to pay money for or you have a lot of unwanted connections then |
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| 23:00.49 | streuner_ | !mhallsmite opera |
| 23:00.50 | dpkg | Fuck opera. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 23:00.58 | jbmigel | Eulex sweet now you can get 100fps in nethack like the rest of us... ASCIIcking |
| 23:01.12 | Eulex | jbmigel, what's nethack? |
| 23:01.18 | streuner_ | a game |
| 23:01.23 | jbmigel | Eulex only the best game ever |
| 23:01.24 | streuner_ | !info nethack |
| 23:01.26 | Eulex | oh, ok |
| 23:01.31 | dpkg | nethack: (Overhead dungeon-crawler game (dummy package)), section games, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-7 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 23:01.45 | streuner_ | hard as hell |
| 23:01.48 | Eulex | ah, I'll try it |
| 23:01.49 | jbmigel | Eulex I suggest you install it to try out your new graphics drivers |
| 23:02.09 | Eulex | jbmigel: ok |
| 23:02.10 | shivraj | my X stopped working ... |
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| 23:02.20 | tarzeau | streuner_: absolutely. even omniweb is better |
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| 23:02.21 | gary | nethack is hard to get used to :-\ |
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| 23:02.52 | tarzeau | jbmigel: you play nethack ? |
| 23:03.06 | tarzeau | gary: nah. you just need the right configuration: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/dotnethackrc |
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| 23:03.16 | jbmigel | tarzeau been playing for couple months... awesome game |
| 23:03.17 | dragonfly | is it possible to point to my computer (on a network) from a computer outside of this network? |
| 23:03.24 | quittt | for what I will use exim4? |
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| 23:03.36 | tarzeau | jbmigel: finished yet? try #nethack |
| 23:03.54 | tarzeau | jbmigel: oh and if you get bored, try www.mtp-target.org and #bub-n-bros http://BUB-N-BROS.SF.NET |
| 23:03.57 | shivraj | I think there is a lock |
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| 23:04.05 | coNP | !mozilla-firefox |
| 23:04.06 | dpkg | i heard mozilla-firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 23:04.08 | jbmigel | tarzeau nah my best guy just got past sokoban a couple levels... i suck |
| 23:04.21 | tarzeau | jbmigel: yeah that's not far at all |
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| 23:04.55 | jbmigel | tarzeau no kidding... and i had 2 wishes in that game too! my GDSM and speed boots did me no good |
| 23:05.05 | tarzeau | jbmigel: OUF |
| 23:05.12 | tarzeau | jbmigel: how did you manage to screw that game? |
| 23:05.34 | jbmigel | tarzeau i got stupid and stopped paying attention... really sad actually i coulda done it |
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| 23:05.44 | Eclipser | what game? |
| 23:06.04 | cc | i've ascended a few times |
| 23:06.06 | cc | in nethack |
| 23:06.16 | Eclipser | ah, never liked it |
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| 23:06.23 | jbmigel | my friend offered me $50 if i can ascend by november... |
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| 23:06.38 | graeme | jbmigel: without saves? |
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| 23:06.49 | jbmigel | his money is safe.... ya no scumming graeme |
| 23:07.04 | gary | how popular is nethack, i'd never heard of it until a few minutes ago? |
| 23:07.06 | jbmigel | but i might start come october if i havent at least seen medusa ;) |
| 23:07.15 | gary | I did see though it's been mentioned onthe BBC though |
| 23:07.28 | cc | medusa is weak |
| 23:07.29 | cc | :/ |
| 23:07.30 | jbmigel | gary goto #nethack... its been in development like 20 years its super popular still |
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| 23:07.42 | cc | mind-flayers on the other hand |
| 23:07.44 | Eclipser | bat is better :) |
| 23:07.50 | cc | they are fucking scary |
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| 23:07.53 | graeme | wtf bat? |
| 23:07.57 | pedro420 | Does anyone know what program i need to download mp3 from compuer to mp3 player |
| 23:08.00 | Eclipser | yeh, bat |
| 23:08.14 | mike | pedro420: depends on your mp3 player |
| 23:08.24 | graeme | pedro420: like, an ipod, or a usb thingy |
| 23:08.26 | gary | cool |
| 23:08.28 | gary | #nethack |
| 23:08.35 | pedro420 | It actually a cellphone/mp3 player |
| 23:08.36 | gary | oops, forgot /j |
| 23:08.38 | gary | :D |
| 23:08.49 | Eulex | jbmigel, you fooled me :) |
| 23:09.01 | mike | pedro420: that doesn't help whatsoever |
| 23:09.04 | jbmigel | rofl Eulex |
| 23:09.10 | graeme | pedro420: well, aren't ye the fancy one. does it have a usb pluggy thing? |
| 23:09.17 | mike | pedro420: we need more information |
| 23:09.22 | jbmigel | haha Eulex welcome to gaming on linux! |
| 23:10.01 | Eulex | :) |
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| 23:10.19 | pedro420 | Yea it has a usb pluggy thingy |
| 23:10.20 | Eulex | I think I could get a thousand fps in that game without fglrx working :) |
| 23:10.31 | mike | pedro420: What is it? |
| 23:10.50 | mike | pedro420: does it act like a drive that you can mount? |
| 23:10.56 | graeme | pedro420: try plugging it in and mounting it. |
| 23:11.03 | jbmigel | Eulex http://bbspot.com/News/2003/02/ati_ascii.html |
| 23:11.10 | pedro420 | How do you mount it |
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| 23:11.24 | mike | pedro420: using mount (man mount) |
| 23:11.45 | Eulex | eh, gfx card optimized for ascii gaming? lol |
| 23:11.46 | graeme | pedro420: try mount /dev/sda1 /wherever/you/want/it |
| 23:11.52 | shivraj | if you change sarge to stable do u have to do dist upgrade ?? |
| 23:11.57 | alvanson | any latex capable people in here? how do I get ` to show up as a ` and not a curly quote? |
| 23:12.08 | jbmigel | Eulex rofl isnt it hilarious! i think it was april fools page or something |
| 23:12.09 | mike | pedro420: but it depends on your phone, you arn't giving us any useful information |
| 23:12.23 | toonX | Eulex fglrx .. uhm .. can you play anything in fullscreen OpenGL ? |
| 23:12.43 | streuner_ | shivraj: sarge=stable |
| 23:12.51 | Eulex | toonX: yes |
| 23:13.02 | toonX | Eulex anything that uses GL , like chromium |
| 23:13.09 | bluefox83 | i play doom3 in linux ^_^ |
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| 23:13.18 | shivraj | solemnwarning: font renderer for ".snf" already registered at priority 0 |
| 23:13.19 | shivraj | solemnwarning: font renderer for ".snf.Z" already registered at priority 0 |
| 23:13.19 | shivraj | solemnwarning: font renderer for ".snf.gz" already registered at priority 0 |
| 23:13.19 | *** kick/#debian [shivraj!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 23:13.21 | bluefox83 | it uses opengl |
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| 23:13.34 | Eclipser | doom3 sucks ass :) |
| 23:13.36 | jbmigel | bluefox83 and it crashes your x alot too i bet |
| 23:13.38 | toonX | Eulex cool, and what server for X ? XFree or Xorg ? |
| 23:13.40 | shivraj | anyone know what that is about ? |
| 23:13.48 | streuner_ | shivraj: dont flood the channel |
| 23:13.51 | Eulex | toonX: Xorg |
| 23:13.54 | Eclipser | http://www.saunalahti.fi/~jukka712/doom3/ |
| 23:13.56 | bluefox83 | jbmigel, it's never crashed anything |
| 23:14.01 | pedro420 | Its my friends phone |
| 23:14.04 | streuner_ | shivraj: what do you want? use stable? |
| 23:14.13 | [Granger] | XOrg? |
| 23:14.14 | [Granger] | since when? |
| 23:14.15 | jbmigel | bluefox83 i cant even load a save game without it taking out X on my box |
| 23:14.21 | Eulex | toonX: I've got an ati mobility radeon x300 |
| 23:14.23 | pedro420 | What info you need |
| 23:14.25 | toonX | Eulex makes sense, my XFree 4.3.0 dies when in fullscreen , though in windowed mode works just fine |
| 23:14.28 | shivraj | no my X stopped working |
| 23:14.28 | mike | pedro420: no. useful information. i.e. model? |
| 23:14.34 | streuner_ | shivraj: at a wild guess, do you use pinning? |
| 23:14.40 | Eulex | [Granger], third party apt repository |
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| 23:14.42 | pedro420 | mm-5600 |
| 23:14.44 | bluefox83 | jbmigel, your box sucks ass then :P |
| 23:14.49 | shivraj | pinning ?? whats that ? |
| 23:14.57 | bluefox83 | i've never taken any screenshots in doom3..i guess i should.. |
| 23:15.08 | Eclipser | !tell shivraj about pinning |
| 23:15.10 | streuner_ | shivraj: ok, never saw that one, how did you get this? |
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| 23:15.36 | jbmigel | bluefox83 do you play with windows version through their loader or do you use a linux version? |
| 23:15.36 | shivraj | exited out of X and it wont restart |
| 23:15.46 | shivraj | did do anything drastic lately |
| 23:15.49 | shivraj | didnt' |
| 23:15.51 | mike | pedro420: the maker of the phone? |
| 23:15.52 | toonX | Eulex i say it makes sense , because i haven't heard of many people to run OpenGL games in fullscreen with the fglrx driver and XFree |
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| 23:16.02 | chacho | is 3.8x a reasonable speed to rip and encode a cd using sound juicer on an AMD64 3200+ and a 48x cdrom drive? |
| 23:16.07 | chacho | to mp3 |
| 23:16.10 | bluefox83 | jbmigel, linux version |
| 23:16.23 | mike | chacho: don't encode to mp3, use OGG. |
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| 23:16.38 | toonX | Eulex you using debian ? or Ubuntu ? and if debian, is it difficult to set up Xorg ? |
| 23:16.39 | jbmigel | bluefox83 ah thats prolly the difference, I cheated to get my windows disks to run in linux and i guess its sucks |
| 23:16.40 | bluefox83 | i play doom3 natively in linux, i don't run it in cedega/winex |
| 23:16.47 | chacho | mike, i have to for my ipod |
| 23:16.53 | mike | chacho: ahh |
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| 23:16.58 | mike | chacho: i see, sorry |
| 23:16.59 | Eclipser | all players should drop out support for mp3s... all libraries are a pain in the ass to implement to a program |
| 23:17.04 | chacho | i wish i could do ogg, might get a different mp3 player just cuz of that |
| 23:17.07 | Eclipser | ogg is so much easier :) |
| 23:17.09 | chacho | or, music player |
| 23:17.11 | chacho | loll |
| 23:17.12 | jbmigel | bluefox83 no its all native... but did you use windows install disks or not |
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| 23:17.15 | bluefox83 | jbmigel, all you need are the .pak files off the disks, if you use the linux installer it works great |
| 23:17.18 | mike | Eclipser: i am so glad i got mine... even though it is a brick |
| 23:17.29 | jbmigel | bluefox83 ya you did it the same as me then |
| 23:17.30 | mike | Eclipser: it plays everything |
| 23:17.30 | [Granger] | heh Eclipser |
| 23:17.35 | [Granger] | fat chance that'll happen |
| 23:17.45 | bluefox83 | jbmigel, which installer did you use? |
| 23:17.48 | Eclipser | I tried to implement libmad in my program |
| 23:17.52 | chacho | it just seems like 15 minutes is kind of a long time to rip a cd |
| 23:17.54 | Eclipser | but there's no documentation for it! |
| 23:18.03 | [Granger] | Eclipser: what about source? |
| 23:18.04 | Eclipser | well, except for a small example written in C |
| 23:18.10 | Eclipser | which doesn't cover half of the api |
| 23:18.32 | Eclipser | the source has too much macro crap and other C stuff, I can't make anything out of it |
| 23:18.46 | chacho | toonx, what arch is that chroot for |
| 23:18.51 | dragonfly | has anyone heard of the firestarter firewall? |
| 23:18.53 | Eclipser | libvorbisfile worked like a charm and was very easy to use :) |
| 23:18.55 | shivraj | my X windows stopped working and reconfiguring it doesnt help |
| 23:18.59 | dragonfly | i'm looking for a good firewall, any recommendations? |
| 23:19.05 | jbmigel | bluefox83: doom3-linux-1.1.1286.x86 |
| 23:19.07 | mike | im off. see y'z |
| 23:19.07 | Eclipser | isn't firestarter just a frontend for iptables? |
| 23:19.10 | Eclipser | dragonfly, iptables :) |
| 23:19.12 | chacho | shivraj, what message does it give you on starting up |
| 23:19.13 | shivraj | its saying something about font renderer already registered |
| 23:19.28 | bluefox83 | jbmigel, hrm, same one i used...strange.. |
| 23:19.31 | chacho | do you have the ati or nvidia drivers instnsalled |
| 23:19.31 | shivraj | solemnwarning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0 |
| 23:19.32 | plugwash | if you can understand the manual using iptables directly gives you the most control |
| 23:19.45 | plugwash | it may be a little hard to work with for newbies though |
| 23:19.58 | shivraj | its an S3 Savage card I believe |
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| 23:20.02 | jbmigel | bluefox83: maybe its my cheap ass mobo, or the fact that im dual head and one goes blank while playing |
| 23:20.03 | chacho | oh i see |
| 23:20.04 | Eclipser | iptables is fairly easy, even for beginners |
| 23:20.07 | shivraj | it was working, dont know what can cause it to stop |
| 23:20.35 | rixth | Once you've installed lirc 'make install' is there anything else I need to do? |
| 23:20.40 | bluefox83 | jbmigel, what kind of system do you have? you still need a fairly decent video card, proc an dram |
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| 23:20.57 | mihaly | how do I enable tv-out on my radoen? |
| 23:20.59 | surreal | jbmigel, can i pm you an error i get? |
| 23:21.00 | chacho | hmm, i dont know either |
| 23:21.02 | petemc | Eclipser: it can seem easy, its hard for some people to grasp |
| 23:21.04 | mihaly | *randoen |
| 23:21.04 | rixth | mihaly, google |
| 23:21.29 | chacho | dont know much about font setup, only thing i could think of is reinstall X, but that would be reinstalling just about all your desktop apps too |
| 23:21.30 | jbmigel | bluefox83: this is my slow machine but its ok, amd2400+, 768MB PC3200, 9600pro |
| 23:21.40 | Eclipser | petemc, that's why I gave up trying to become a teacher... I can't understand why people won't learn such trivial things |
| 23:21.48 | jbmigel | surreal sure |
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| 23:21.58 | Eclipser | I actually considered it for quite some time |
| 23:21.58 | _OrIoN_ | hi |
| 23:22.19 | ethics | jbmigel, did you get your sound fixed up? dmix? |
| 23:22.29 | Eulex | chromium works without any problem -- thanks to whoever gave me the tip |
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| 23:22.31 | dragonfly | i still prefer apps with gui.... |
| 23:22.33 | bluefox83 | jbmigel, i have a 2400 sempron, 1 gig of pc3200 ddr ram, and a nvidia 5500 FX OC |
| 23:22.35 | petemc | Eclipser: i take it you have 20/20 vision, super strength and can run a mile in under 4 minutes |
| 23:22.36 | co-NP | do you know, when linux 2.6.12 will be in sid? |
| 23:22.41 | _OrIoN_ | I installed a game using apt-get, but when i launched it , it returned : Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" *** ppracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual (Success) |
| 23:22.48 | toonX | chacho is i386 |
| 23:22.48 | Eclipser | petemc, hehe :) |
| 23:22.49 | jbmigel | ethics no thats why i came in here... i followed your howto but it still doesnt seem to work |
| 23:22.55 | _OrIoN_ | what should I do?, what seems to be missing is it a library? |
| 23:22.57 | pedro420 | Mike: Sanyo |
| 23:23.14 | bluefox83 | _OrIoN_, what game would that be? |
| 23:23.15 | chacho | toonx, what are you trying to run that uses x |
| 23:23.19 | ethics | jbmigel, ahh did you change all the devices in proggys? |
| 23:23.26 | toonX | chacho wine :) |
| 23:23.30 | _OrIoN_ | planet[enguin-racer |
| 23:23.30 | chacho | you know you dont have to have a seperate x server running, it just uses the one you already have |
| 23:23.30 | co-NP | bluefox83: ppracer |
| 23:23.34 | chacho | ah, im doing the same thing ;) |
| 23:23.38 | _OrIoN_ | planetpenguin-racer |
| 23:23.38 | toonX | chacho since wine is not for 64 bit |
| 23:23.41 | chacho | yeah |
| 23:23.44 | tarzeau | streuner_: we've had some fun, http://www.harzi.ch/gallery/CnG180605?page=2 |
| 23:23.47 | bluefox83 | ooooh |
| 23:23.57 | Theoden | Can someone tell me the name of the binary for the kde utility that finds apps on the system and adds them to the menu? |
| 23:23.57 | dragonfly | Eclipser: you said that firestarter is basically just a gui for iptables? |
| 23:24.00 | bluefox83 | hrm, sounds like you need to reinstall your video card driver |
| 23:24.07 | ethics | jbmigel, i can give ya a hand if you want 8) i got most of them working now....just gui problems on mplayer but others seem to take it |
| 23:24.09 | toonX | chacho so i tried to run wine in this chrooted 32 bit i386 sarge |
| 23:24.14 | Eclipser | dragonfly, as far as I know, yes |
| 23:24.14 | bluefox83 | _OrIoN_, what video card do you have? |
| 23:24.18 | _OrIoN_ | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". *** ppracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual (Success)>> What should I install ? |
| 23:24.34 | _OrIoN_ | uh oh |
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| 23:24.52 | _OrIoN_ | it is intel builtin |
| 23:24.54 | ethics | _OrIoN_, nvidia_glx maybee? did you even read a howto? |
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| 23:25.05 | dragonfly | so if iptables is the best linux firewall around and firestarter is a gui for iptables or uses iptables then it should be just as good, correct? |
| 23:25.12 | chacho | toonx, have you looked at the faq on alioth.debian.org? |
| 23:25.16 | bluefox83 | integrated intel video graphics blows hard |
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| 23:25.28 | chacho | actually, my chroot is kind of screwed up |
| 23:25.34 | [Granger] | bluefox83: heh no shit |
| 23:25.37 | Eclipser | dragonfly, a GUI might not implement all options or be so flexible as iptables itself but yeah |
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| 23:25.43 | Eclipser | I've never tried them so... |
| 23:25.44 | chacho | i have to run everything as root, and not su root, login as root |
| 23:25.54 | _OrIoN_ | no, my video card is a builtin intel |
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| 23:26.08 | chacho | but it works :p |
| 23:26.08 | [Granger] | Intel video cards are enough for office work |
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| 23:26.11 | [Granger] | and that's about it |
| 23:26.12 | ethics | dragonfly, its a simple gui to get you started.....there are more customizable but you canwrite scripts later for that |
| 23:26.23 | toonX | chacho and i'm using XFree86 4.3.0 with teh ati driver, X seems to start but with severe graphics corruption! can't distinguish much of kde |
| 23:26.35 | toonX | chacho yes i did |
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| 23:26.59 | bluefox83 | i wouldn't use ati in linux, it doesn't have very good support right now >.> |
| 23:27.00 | chacho | oh that is wierd |
| 23:27.07 | chacho | i dont have gnome installed on my chroot |
| 23:27.10 | chacho | though |
| 23:27.15 | toonX | chacho i'm not suspecting the XF86Config-4 that it uses, since it reports no errors |
| 23:27.30 | Eulex | bluefox83, my ati is running very good... no problems at all |
| 23:27.47 | bluefox83 | Eulex, but can you run doom3? ;) |
| 23:27.54 | chacho | i think you can run wine without doing that |
| 23:27.55 | toonX | chacho and teh ati driver that XFree86 4.3.0 provides works just fine on the host linux |
| 23:27.57 | chacho | try this |
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| 23:28.04 | chacho | go in a terminal, do the chroot command |
| 23:28.07 | chacho | then you get a root login prompt |
| 23:28.10 | Eclipser | bluefox83, works fine for me |
| 23:28.10 | chacho | i mean |
| 23:28.12 | Eulex | bluefox83, haven't tried, and I dunno if an x300 could run doom3 |
| 23:28.13 | chacho | command prompt |
| 23:28.13 | toonX | chacho so i can't find any answer for this |
| 23:28.18 | dragonfly | i could also change things in the iptables itself that would carry over if firestarter uses iptables anyway |
| 23:28.23 | chacho | and then just try to run wine right there |
| 23:28.28 | chacho | wine /path/to/file |
| 23:28.31 | chacho | see if it works |
| 23:28.36 | _OrIoN_ | so? |
| 23:28.37 | _OrIoN_ | what is this GLX |
| 23:28.40 | Eclipser | bluefox83, but why would I want to run doom3... it sucks big time :) |
| 23:28.42 | chacho | dont start x |
| 23:28.52 | bluefox83 | Eclipser, no it doesn't! |
| 23:28.56 | _OrIoN_ | is it a library missing, I can install.. or is it a hardware thing |
| 23:28.58 | Eclipser | yes it does! |
| 23:29.00 | rixth | bear:~# ls /dev/li* ** /dev/lirc /dev/lircd /dev/lircm ** bear:~# mode2 ** mode2: error opening /dev/lirc ** mode2: No such device |
| 23:29.03 | chacho | thats what mine does, i run cedega, and what i do is just open up the terminal, sudo chroot /var/chroot/sarge-ia32 |
| 23:29.04 | bluefox83 | what sucks about it? |
| 23:29.06 | chacho | then Point2Play |
| 23:29.08 | rixth | But if I ls /dev, it IS there |
| 23:29.09 | chacho | and it runs |
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| 23:29.12 | Eclipser | take a look at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~jukka712/doom3 |
| 23:29.17 | bluefox83 | i did |
| 23:29.18 | chacho | i have to have some gtk libraries installed though |
| 23:29.27 | bluefox83 | screenshots of darkness |
| 23:29.34 | toonX | chacho yes, but wine need's first to have a config , and i need x to configure it |
| 23:29.43 | chacho | ah |
| 23:29.44 | Eclipser | pretty much describes the whole game |
| 23:29.50 | graeme | what's a good chess game for gnome? |
| 23:29.53 | bluefox83 | woopty do, a lot of th egame is in darness, that's what makes it spooky |
| 23:30.02 | bluefox83 | *darkness |
| 23:30.09 | toonX | chacho winesetup needs X |
| 23:30.17 | bluefox83 | zombies and stuff jump out at you from the darkness |
| 23:30.17 | chacho | oh, well try running winesetup |
| 23:30.21 | chacho | in the terminal once you chroot |
| 23:30.23 | Eclipser | that's not spooky darkness... that's the kind of darkness that pisses you off |
| 23:30.25 | Eclipser | very badly |
| 23:30.29 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 23:30.36 | bluefox83 | it makes it challenging that's for certain |
| 23:30.37 | toonX | chacho yes, winesetup tries to start X |
| 23:30.41 | chacho | ooh |
| 23:30.47 | toonX | chacho not really, it checkes for X ! |
| 23:30.55 | otroean | When i started the Debian Inst last time i got could choose kernel 2.4 or 2.6 after pressing enter at the boot menu on the install cd, have to reinstall debian and now the option ain't there. What did i do the last time to get the kernel choose option? |
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| 23:31.04 | chacho | so do you have kde and x installed through apt in your chroot |
| 23:31.14 | toonX | chacho yes i do |
| 23:31.16 | Eclipser | well yes... use the flashlight to spot an enemy, switch weapon and shoot, then use the flashlight again only to find out that the enemy had moved |
| 23:31.37 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 23:31.40 | Eclipser | I did manage to complete the game though |
| 23:31.41 | CaPu | Can anyone tell me how i can make debian read rpm? |
| 23:31.42 | bluefox83 | use a grenade |
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| 23:31.52 | bluefox83 | CaPu, alien! |
| 23:31.53 | Eclipser | I still prefer doom1 above all dooms |
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| 23:31.55 | toonX | chacho and all is configured just fine, X startx on :1 since i have another X from the host linux on :0 , but with severe graphics corruption |
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| 23:32.07 | rixth | What the fuck. "mode2: error opening /dev/lircd" but if I ls /dev I see lircd... |
| 23:32.08 | bluefox83 | Eclipser, doom1 is good, i have that too |
| 23:32.10 | CaPu | y'what? |
| 23:32.11 | Eclipser | as a matter of fact, I just played it through again a few weeks ago |
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| 23:32.23 | Eclipser | on my MS-DOS 6.22 box :p |
| 23:32.23 | chacho | see my graphical apps on my chroot just use my host x on :0 |
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| 23:32.36 | chacho | they dont start their own |
| 23:32.38 | bluefox83 | Eclipser, you can play it very easily in linux |
| 23:32.42 | toonX | chacho how can i do that? |
| 23:32.52 | LaptopZZ | where can I suggest a compile parm for a package? |
| 23:32.55 | chacho | that i dont know, they just seem to do it |
| 23:32.59 | chacho | try this command |
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| 23:33.04 | toonX | chacho sounds good, just need to know how to start it on :0 |
| 23:33.06 | bluefox83 | afk |
| 23:33.07 | Eclipser | bluefox83, I tried, it doesn't like to play me midi sounds... and I prefer the dos box |
| 23:33.08 | chacho | export DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 23:33.28 | Eclipser | I'll go to sleep now... good night folks |
| 23:33.29 | CaPu | Guys - I did a net install of debian, over FTP... where can i download all the additional stuff? |
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| 23:33.30 | chacho | before you run winesetup |
| 23:33.30 | toonX | chacho that is in chroot right ? |
| 23:33.36 | chacho | yeah |
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| 23:33.57 | chacho | capu, use apt |
| 23:34.06 | CaPu | apt? |
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| 23:34.28 | chacho | hmmm, apt is a long story |
| 23:34.29 | toonX | chacho i allready have that variable in chroot, but winesetup says couldn't connect to display ":0.0" |
| 23:34.48 | co-NP | !apt |
| 23:34.48 | dpkg | from memory, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.' |
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| 23:35.05 | pedro420 | Does anyone know a program I can use to download mp3s from my pc to my mm-5600 phone |
| 23:35.11 | shivraj | I can log into X as root but not as another user |
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| 23:35.13 | shivraj | anyone know ? |
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| 23:35.33 | chacho | toonx, are you running winesetup as a user in your chroot? |
| 23:35.40 | amphi | shivraj: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common perhaps |
| 23:35.51 | toonX | chacho nope, root |
| 23:35.59 | shivraj | I think there is a lock |
| 23:36.03 | toonX | chacho as superuser i ment |
| 23:36.17 | chacho | when you first chroot, does it give you a root prompt |
| 23:36.31 | toonX | chacho yes it does |
| 23:36.35 | raf256 | hi |
| 23:36.43 | chacho | try running it from there, and see what happens |
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| 23:37.16 | chacho | and run the export command before you do winesetup |
| 23:37.19 | chacho | after you get in the chrooot |
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| 23:38.04 | toonX | chacho done all that, still winesetup says couldn't connect to display ":0.0" |
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| 23:38.13 | chacho | oh wait, toonx, have you mounted your /tmp from your host linux in your chroot |
| 23:38.16 | kbrooks_ | i want brctl now |
| 23:38.20 | toonX | chacho and i do have a X session started on :0.0 |
| 23:38.21 | chacho | and your proc |
| 23:38.30 | raf256 | I dont see any bug reports about 2.6.8 debian kernel EXPLOITS, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7&archive=no - does it means all known 2.6.8 EXPLOITS are fixed (like user->root), OR only that there are no more exploits in debian-kernel then in regular 2.6.8 ? |
| 23:38.34 | shivraj | amphi : nope .. that doesnt help |
| 23:38.41 | toonX | chacho proc yes, tmp nope |
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| 23:38.57 | chacho | ok, mount your tmp, the faq says something about X11 sockets being in tmp |
| 23:39.15 | amphi | shivraj: this is gui login? |
| 23:39.20 | kbrooks_ | i want brctl now |
| 23:39.21 | toonX | chacho what faq ? |
| 23:39.24 | kbrooks_ | help |
| 23:39.26 | kbrooks_ | ? |
| 23:39.30 | chacho | https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274293 |
| 23:39.40 | toonX | chacho ok, im checkin it right now |
| 23:39.55 | amphi | shivraj: does /etc/nologin exist? |
| 23:39.59 | shivraj | yeah |
| 23:40.01 | chacho | click using an ia32 chroot to run 32bit apps |
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| 23:40.12 | chacho | the under running apps inside the chroot |
| 23:40.19 | chacho | it has some fstab lines you need |
| 23:40.23 | dx11101 | are there any other 3dgames like tuxracer that i can try out |
| 23:40.47 | dx11101 | btw when i went from 2.4 to 2.6, my fps increased 50-70 percent in ppracer |
| 23:40.50 | shivraj | amphi: yeah its a gui login |
| 23:40.55 | shivraj | but when I do startx that doesnt work either |
| 23:40.57 | chacho | not the exact ones, have to change them a bit to fit the path to your chroot |
| 23:41.04 | shivraj | I dont see /etc/nologin |
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| 23:41.53 | toonX | chacho yeah , got to read it, the only line i have in /etc/fstab on teh host linux is about proc , nothing of tmp :) |
| 23:42.17 | toonX | chacho thanks |
| 23:42.29 | chacho | toonx, np man, glad i could help |
| 23:42.34 | chacho | let me know if it works |
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| 23:43.06 | toonX | chacho yep |
| 23:43.35 | chacho | winesetup is goin? |
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| 23:44.07 | shivraj | I cant log in to X as a regular user only root anyone know ??? |
| 23:44.36 | chacho | shivraj, do you have gdm installled |
| 23:45.09 | Eulex | shivraj: check your ~/.xsession-errors |
| 23:45.47 | co-NP | shivraj: # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 23:46.02 | shivraj | yeah |
| 23:46.15 | pedro420 | What is a program to use to download mp3 from pc to mp3 player |
| 23:46.43 | chacho | CaPu, you still here? |
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| 23:46.57 | chacho | pedro420, what mp3 player |
| 23:47.04 | jeffx | pedro420: mount and cp :D |
| 23:47.06 | mikeX | pedro420, what sort of mp3 player? can't you just mount it? |
| 23:47.13 | pedro420 | Its a sanyp mm-5600 phone |
| 23:47.14 | graeme | pedro420: the problem isn't one of downloading mp3's but of mounting a usb mass storage device. |
| 23:47.16 | pedro420 | sanyo |
| 23:47.32 | shivraj | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/root/.config/openbox/rc.xml" |
| 23:47.32 | shivraj | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/root/.config/openbox/debian-menu\.xml" |
| 23:47.32 | shivraj | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/xdg/openbox/debian-menu.xml" |
| 23:47.32 | shivraj | (x-window-manager:1090): ObParser-WARNING **: unable to find a valid menu file \'debian-menu.xml' |
| 23:47.32 | shivraj | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/root/.config/openbox/menu.xml" |
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| 23:47.33 | pedro420 | How would i mount it |
| 23:47.36 | FieldySnuts | @lart shivraj |
| 23:47.52 | Eulex | hehe, poor thing |
| 23:48.28 | graeme | pedro420: pedro, is it plugged in? |
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| 23:48.32 | dragonfly | how do i know if my firewall is doing anything? |
| 23:48.33 | chacho | pedro420, my usb storage devices mount automatically when i plug them in, are you using gnome? |
| 23:48.39 | pedro420 | yeah |
| 23:48.42 | rixth | God WTF. Lirc is one dog of a program. |
| 23:48.43 | pedro420 | No kde |
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| 23:48.53 | pedro420 | Should i use gnome |
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| 23:49.07 | chacho | well i just know how to set it up for gnome, i dont really for kde |
| 23:49.08 | graeme | pedro420: it's a matter of taste, those that have it use gnome. |
| 23:49.12 | shivraj | hmm I think there was a problem with openbox |
| 23:49.14 | rixth | Here's a nice exampl "/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.11 is not a valid source tree" wtf yes it is. I JUST unpacked it. |
| 23:49.15 | shivraj | works now |
| 23:49.17 | shivraj | thanks |
| 23:49.26 | K_Dallas | Sarge-2.6.8-2-k7, I am trying to add Canadian keyboard layout support to the keyboard icon on the bottom taskbar but when i select for instance Canadian - Multilinguage, the ADD option remains grey. |
| 23:49.36 | K_Dallas | I have previously added a few layouts but now i am not able any more. Appreciate any help, thanks |
| 23:49.37 | mikeX | pedro420, to mount it manually you would usually do something like: "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" |
| 23:49.45 | chacho | ha nice one graeme |
| 23:49.48 | K_Dallas | (already asked on gnome but no answer so far) |
| 23:50.10 | chacho | i got turned off kde because on my first linux install ever, of suse, the menu editor was sooo messed up |
| 23:50.18 | chacho | it kept erasing my entire menu for no reason and things |
| 23:50.26 | chacho | switched to gnome, and stayed |
| 23:50.40 | Azar | K_Dallas, what you mean by "Canadian" keyboard, is not similar or same with US qwerty? |
| 23:50.41 | jeffx | xfce4 :D |
| 23:50.58 | K_Dallas | azar: it has lots of other letters, french and accented ones |
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| 23:51.13 | Eulex | anyway, anyone know if it's possible to make windows in gnome stick to other windows and to screen borders? |
| 23:51.21 | K_Dallas | Azar, i usually use US layout under Linux but it is tough when you want to type French |
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| 23:51.37 | shivraj | -rw------- 1 shivraj shivraj 2226872320 Jun 18 19:50 .xsession-errors |
| 23:51.39 | Azar | K_Dallas then try to hitch it at "language" |
| 23:51.45 | shivraj | look at the size .. |
| 23:51.47 | FieldySnuts | uh that's a huge file |
| 23:51.48 | amphi | K_Dallas: use the compose key and digraphs for accented letters perhaps |
| 23:51.53 | pedro420 | Okay I am gnome |
| 23:51.54 | K_Dallas | Azar, ok, i will try so, thank |
| 23:52.04 | K_Dallas | amphi, what is that? |
| 23:52.15 | K_Dallas | compose-key? |
| 23:52.20 | FieldySnuts | 3.0K Jun 18 19:15 .xsession-errors |
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| 23:52.23 | Eulex | shivraj, clear it, and then try to start X once and log in as user... then check it |
| 23:52.29 | pedro420 | I have 2 usb ports and one is controlling my mouse |
| 23:53.20 | amphi | K_Dallas: sysrq is often mapped to compose - sysrq ' a gives me a acute á |
| 23:53.23 | graeme | pedro420: as root, do fdisk -l |
| 23:53.23 | shivraj | ok |
| 23:53.36 | graeme | pedro420: that'll get you a list of the drives available. |
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| 23:54.15 | K_Dallas | amphi, that is one way to do it but not that convinient if you type a lot of accents then you have to type twice for each letter |
| 23:54.23 | shivraj | Eulex : the problem was the .xsessions.error file |
| 23:54.28 | graeme | shivraj: that sucker might fill a hardrive. |
| 23:54.29 | shivraj | I removed it and it works now |
| 23:54.37 | Eulex | shivraj: ok |
| 23:54.47 | shivraj | yeah my /home partition was full :) |
| 23:54.49 | amphi | K_Dallas: oh, well, use .fr keymap |
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| 23:55.00 | Eulex | shivraj: mine was readable by users, and rw for root, so that may have been your problem |
| 23:55.02 | K_Dallas | amphi, i used to do \'a for LaTeX documents, hopefully it changed to accomodate accents ;) |
| 23:55.15 | K_Dallas | amphi, i cannot add any other layout that is the problem |
| 23:55.43 | K_Dallas | it is not just canadian-multilanguage, i have 3-4 layouts and the rest are inaccessible |
| 23:55.49 | K_Dallas | maybe i have too many! |
| 23:55.50 | Eulex | shivraj: now, what may have caused your problems? what made it 2gig? did you see anything special in that file before deleting it? |
| 23:56.16 | shivraj | couldn't open it with emacs |
| 23:56.20 | amphi | K_Dallas: xkeycaps might be of use, dunno - I don't use accented chars that much |
| 23:56.25 | shivraj | cat crashed |
| 23:56.45 | pedro420 | It don't say anything about usb |
| 23:56.51 | K_Dallas | wierd! i removed two and was able to add two others! so it seems that it has limits on the number of layouts you could put in it |
| 23:57.00 | Azar | K_Dallas, I do not know about Sarge installer, but when I installed Woody the first things I got to choose was "language" and keyboard layout. After I finished installing from the CD it told me: "to revisit the setup process later run /usr/sbin/base-config" maybe that helps you |
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| 23:57.37 | K_Dallas | Azar, that is ture and one ay to do it, i remeber it now :) i can always reconfigure and add extra layouts, exactly. thanks |
| 23:57.43 | K_Dallas | way* |
| 23:57.49 | shivraj | Eulex : there's some errors about not being able to load the openbox config files, I think they added up |
| 23:58.11 | Eulex | shivraj: cat crashed? you should run fsck |
| 23:58.16 | K_Dallas | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 has the option to add more keyboards, you are absolutely right |
| 23:58.29 | chacho | pedro420, what i would do, is open up a file browser to /dev |
| 23:58.36 | Eulex | shivraj: ok, but it should still not become 2gb |
| 23:58.38 | chacho | go to the s section |
| 23:58.52 | graeme | pedro420: does it say anything about /dev/sda1? |
| 23:59.14 | chacho | i have two SATA drives, which are /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, and my usb drives show up aas /dev/sdc |
| 23:59.26 | chacho | if you dont have any sata drives it should come up as /dev/sda |
