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| 00:00.12 | shingouz | abrotman: it is... vinnie pie.. :) |
| 00:00.21 | shingouz | abrotman: you need to go real weird to tick me off |
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| 00:00.47 | jasoncohen | abrotman, why not? |
| 00:01.04 | jasoncohen | purging aptitude and re-installing fixed my problem but it's not exactly a graceful solution |
| 00:01.25 | IamSTUPID | BOOO :p |
| 00:01.25 | IamSTUPID | i got in the files abrotman |
| 00:01.25 | IamSTUPID | i overrided the stupid read write |
| 00:01.25 | IamSTUPID | found out knoppix had it same system as WINDOWS, like click on Read only box will disable all protection ^^ |
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| 00:01.27 | shingouz | http://pittsburghese.com/cgi-bin/trans.bat?phrase=for+some+reason+i+think+abrotman+could+use+some+caffeine+about+now |
| 00:01.50 | myren | man, 1 GB ram and this stupid windows machine CONSTANTLY pages like a bitch |
| 00:01.51 | abrotman | myren: reboot it |
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| 00:01.55 | myren | yaeh. :/ its only been on like 4 days. |
| 00:02.05 | abrotman | heheh |
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| 00:02.24 | IamSTUPID | :/ |
| 00:02.27 | snarf | are there any console tools other than cdrecord for burning an iso? i can't get it working because of scsi emulation stuff and the manpage just confuses me. |
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| 00:02.28 | abrotman | shingouz: http://pittsburghese.com/cgi-bin/trans.bat?phrase=i+am+a+retard%0D%0A |
| 00:02.40 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: does it work or not |
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| 00:02.46 | shingouz | hah |
| 00:02.46 | abrotman | jasoncohen: not a bug .. by design afaik |
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| 00:03.11 | shingouz | abrotman: you sure that link should not be directed to someone else ;) |
| 00:03.17 | jasoncohen | abrotman, why would they be designed not to work together? |
| 00:03.59 | abrotman | shingouz: i just thought it was funny |
| 00:04.08 | abrotman | jasoncohen: no idea .. i didn't write either one .. ask mwilson about it |
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| 00:04.12 | shingouz | ok, ill check that one out too :) |
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| 00:05.21 | Lefraru | hola |
| 00:05.22 | abrotman | !tell jasoncohen about aptitude |
| 00:05.32 | Lefraru | YO SOY DE CHILE,,,, |
| 00:05.35 | jetx | debhelper's kinda lagged eh |
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| 00:05.54 | Lefraru | NEDD HELP CHILE |
| 00:06.01 | Lefraru | NECESITO AYUDA |
| 00:06.06 | ethics | !ch |
| 00:06.06 | dpkg | methinks ch is Switzerland |
| 00:06.06 | abrotman | dan2: bidded is not a word! |
| 00:06.07 | jetx | !craptitude |
| 00:06.16 | ethics | nope wrong one heh |
| 00:06.21 | IamSTUPID | fuck |
| 00:06.26 | ugly | yea chile does need help after that earthquake |
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| 00:06.45 | IamSTUPID | abrotman? i can click the files but it still has protection |
| 00:06.47 | ugly | Lefraru has obviously been greatly affected... psychologically |
| 00:06.47 | thingfish | http://www.norid.no/domenenavnbaser/domreg.html |
| 00:06.48 | DrRighteous | anyone with UML networking experience? willing to pay |
| 00:06.57 | Lefraru | JAJAJAJA UGLY |
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| 00:07.16 | ethics | DrRighteous: im not but there are several regulars in channel that run UML... |
| 00:07.16 | Lefraru | NECESITO IRC CHILE |
| 00:07.19 | shingouz | Lefraru: !es |
| 00:07.29 | Guerin | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 00:07.31 | shingouz | Lefraru: AND STOP SHOUTING |
| 00:07.39 | jasoncohen | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:07.40 | shingouz | !es |
| 00:07.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:10.04 | DrRighteous | ethics: been trying to get this up for ages now... with no luck |
| 00:10.04 | abrotman | stupid netsplit |
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| 00:13.31 | ethics | DrRighteous: well it definately works....the only thing i know about it is that you specify /bin/bash as your boot image or something hehehe...one or two of the ops also run UML so if you ask at the right times they may help....not sure whos on when tho |
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| 00:14.44 | ethics | im still lost on my ide-cd problem....im thinking theres a bug with ide-cd after certain modules are laoded but im hacking my way to a solution... |
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| 00:15.14 | IamSTUPID | abrotman? |
| 00:15.21 | IamSTUPID | i can click the files but it still has protection |
| 00:15.27 | IamSTUPID | it has a lock in front |
| 00:15.30 | badblody | anyone have amsn cvs that works correctly the receive webcam? |
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| 00:15.49 | alec | !tell alec about aptitude |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: i got split .. you'd have to repeat .. |
| 00:15.57 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: i don't know what you're trying to do either |
| 00:16.06 | IamSTUPID | im now under knoppix |
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| 00:16.12 | IamSTUPID | mounted the both hdds as RW |
| 00:16.16 | abrotman | i;ve never used knoppix |
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| 00:16.23 | IamSTUPID | however in /var/lib/mysql |
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| 00:16.32 | IamSTUPID | where it saves database records |
| 00:16.39 | IamSTUPID | its all protected\ |
| 00:16.55 | IamSTUPID | i tried CHOWN |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | oh .. bad move |
| 00:17.03 | IamSTUPID | but it didnt do much |
| 00:17.07 | alec | The release notes seem to prefer aptitude to apt-get; is apt-get on the way out, is aptitude now preferred over apt-get, or am I reading in to closely? |
| 00:17.13 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: you're trying to copy the files ? |
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| 00:17.41 | ethics | alec: they are very similar but dist-upgrade always works better with aptitude from what ive heard |
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| 00:18.13 | IamSTUPID | im trying to yes |
| 00:18.14 | ethics | alec: no real difference other than the gui elsewhere and installing recommendeds automatically |
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| 00:18.24 | IamSTUPID | they are States to: sshd |
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| 00:18.28 | IamSTUPID | thats the owner |
| 00:18.30 | alec | ethics, thanks |
| 00:18.33 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: why won't it copy ? |
| 00:18.36 | abrotman | it should at least copy |
| 00:18.53 | IamSTUPID | permission denied |
| 00:19.07 | ethics | alec: apt-get wont disappear as most of the ops use it as a pref over aptitude...again prolly just how we started |
| 00:19.08 | hugos | could you tell me which packets I need to install in order to get X working. I just installed the base system with no graphical component |
| 00:19.23 | IamSTUPID | could not enter folder |
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| 00:19.35 | IamSTUPID | either its permission denied or could not enter folder |
| 00:19.35 | alec | ethics, just wanted to make sure I wasn't using a deprecated command :) |
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| 00:19.57 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: what happens if you do that in single user mode ? |
| 00:20.16 | bathat | has anyone here encountered this error before? ImportError: No module named wxPython.wx |
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| 00:20.29 | IamSTUPID | abrotman how in fuck do i do that |
| 00:20.30 | IamSTUPID | and WTF just happened |
| 00:20.32 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: like you did before |
| 00:20.34 | abrotman | !netsplit |
| 00:20.34 | dpkg | well, netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 00:20.37 | abrotman | !tell bathat about search |
| 00:20.42 | cinix | :) |
| 00:20.42 | IamSTUPID | yeah i know what a netsplit is lol |
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| 00:21.03 | IamSTUPID | i ment the copieing |
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| 00:21.24 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: where are you going to cdopy the files ? |
| 00:21.28 | bathat | abrotman: yes, but i've compiled wxpython from source |
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| 00:21.42 | IamSTUPID | to a FTP trough knoppix |
| 00:21.45 | IamSTUPID | should i try |
| 00:21.50 | abrotman | bathat: then you should ask #python . or look for a channel for WxWindows |
| 00:21.51 | IamSTUPID | CHMOD 777 from lvl 1? |
| 00:21.51 | bathat | abrotman: i had it installed via apt-get before but i reinstalled the latest version |
| 00:21.58 | bathat | abrotman: ok |
| 00:22.13 | abrotman | bathat: chmod -R a+rx /var/lib/mysql/ ? |
| 00:22.17 | abrotman | err IamSTUPID |
| 00:22.23 | abrotman | bathat: ignore that chmod |
| 00:22.32 | ethics | am i missing something here?...to get a ide cdrom loading you need you MB driver..IE PIIX & IDE-CD i dont see anything else specifically affecting devices any other expectations |
| 00:22.42 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: you're going to have to reinstall anyways .. no point in trying to preserve permissions |
| 00:23.07 | Solet-deb | does debian have a windows emulator package or will i have to find one on my own (trying to get age of empires II to work) |
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| 00:23.17 | petemc | Solet-deb: qemu |
| 00:23.22 | abrotman | Solet-deb: like .. wine ? |
| 00:23.34 | petemc | Solet-deb: not much good for games tho |
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| 00:23.49 | ethics | Solet-deb: what kind of stuff do you need to do? |
| 00:23.49 | Solet-deb | is wine any good for games? |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | Solet-deb: check winehq.org .. see if anyone reported success yet |
| 00:23.56 | IamSTUPID | ok :P |
| 00:23.58 | abrotman | Solet-deb: some games yes .. some games no |
| 00:24.01 | IamSTUPID | but |
| 00:24.03 | ethics | Cedega for games. pay for sw |
| 00:24.07 | abrotman | err winehq.com ? |
| 00:24.10 | IamSTUPID | i have to type that in RUNLEVEL 1 aight? |
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| 00:24.29 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: you could have done it from knoppix .. but whatever :) |
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| 00:25.09 | abrotman | Solet-deb: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=99 |
| 00:25.11 | Solet-deb | where on the site would i find if there has been a 'reported success'? |
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| 00:25.29 | Solet-deb | abrotman: oh right there :P |
| 00:25.33 | dan2 | abrotman: hey, shutup ;) |
| 00:25.35 | w00t | i download bittorrent-4.1.2.linux_i686-2_all.deb how do i install it? |
| 00:25.37 | abrotman | dan2: heh |
| 00:25.40 | IamSTUPID | abrotman from KNOPPIX ir refuses |
| 00:25.48 | abrotman | w00t: apt-get install bittorrent |
| 00:25.56 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: ok .. try it from single user |
| 00:26.01 | abrotman | dan2: bidded is not a word! |
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| 00:26.27 | jetx | no bittornado is better than vanilla bittorrent |
| 00:26.31 | jetx | imo ymmv |
| 00:26.34 | mohadib | anyone have gnome send a single click event multiple times at random? |
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| 00:26.48 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm sure we could get Bush to say it is |
| 00:27.05 | abrotman | dan2: i'm sure he already has .. that's not saying much about you though :) |
| 00:27.14 | Solet-deb | abrotman: nothing on that page states that it will work.... but i see kde on the screenshot... can i assume it will work no problem? |
| 00:27.14 | jetx | kerry is dumber |
| 00:27.24 | abrotman | Solet-deb: sure it does .. click the links |
| 00:27.38 | thingfish | kerry's wishy-washyness lost him the election. |
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| 00:27.53 | directhex | #politics |
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| 00:27.57 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:28.00 | abrotman | Solet-deb: like .. where it says "Age of Kings" .. that's a link to give you more info |
| 00:28.01 | thingfish | definitely |
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| 00:28.13 | Solet-deb | ah i see now |
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| 00:28.27 | jetx | there are no politics, just worng ppl who don't believe as i do... 0.0 |
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| 00:29.29 | jetx | @test |
| 00:29.30 | ravenbird | No, jetx, you're not online any more. |
| 00:29.43 | Solet-deb | damn no internet play support :( |
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| 00:29.53 | jetx | 5 minutes ago i was spamming test to all the bots... no reply |
| 00:30.52 | jetx | i haff a dum 1: are screen sessions persistent across reboots |
| 00:31.00 | petemc | no |
| 00:31.09 | w00t | i did apt-get update and froze on 84% what happen? |
| 00:31.22 | jetx | ctrl c and do it again |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | your internet doesn't like you |
| 00:31.27 | jetx | timed out |
| 00:31.30 | jetx | happens |
| 00:32.09 | IamSTUPID | from single user it doesnt give me a arror |
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| 00:32.14 | IamSTUPID | lets see if it worked |
| 00:32.17 | jetx | !br |
| 00:32.17 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:32.23 | w00t | why time out they go on a break or some thinking? |
| 00:32.45 | jetx | beats me, happens here once in a while |
| 00:32.51 | MadSheep | !it |
| 00:32.52 | dpkg | somebody said italian was per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:32.59 | IamSTUPID | !es |
| 00:32.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:33.08 | jetx | !stfu |
| 00:33.08 | dpkg | stfu is, like, Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 00:33.10 | IamSTUPID | !nl |
| 00:33.11 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
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| 00:33.21 | thingfish | if dpkg wanted to be real cool, it'd say "pra" instead of para for the debian-br thing. |
| 00:33.26 | Cope | !lk |
| 00:33.26 | dpkg | lk is probably lkay. Sri Lanka |
| 00:33.52 | jetx | it's 'pa' in es, least here that's how they shorten it |
| 00:34.02 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 00:34.02 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 00:34.19 | IamSTUPID | Population: |
| 00:34.19 | IamSTUPID | 16,407,491 (July 2005 est.) |
| 00:34.23 | jetx | quies tienes ayuda pa mi |
| 00:34.28 | IamSTUPID | 1 year ago it was like 15 mill... |
| 00:34.31 | jetx | s/quies/quien/ |
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| 00:35.30 | w00t | when i apt-get update do i have to install the update or some thinking? |
| 00:35.47 | jetx | no |
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| 00:35.53 | jetx | it just updates the list |
| 00:35.57 | spdf | w00t, apt-get update just updates its package database.. |
| 00:36.06 | w00t | oh |
| 00:36.24 | kingsley_ | How much faster does an x86-64 CPU run Debian than an x86-32? |
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| 00:36.36 | jetx | !benchmark |
| 00:36.36 | dpkg | You want to switch to 2.6 right now after you read http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ |
| 00:36.39 | spdf | w00t, apt-get upgrade to actually update packages.. |
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| 00:37.03 | dbeal | maybe aptitude dist-upgrade is better? |
| 00:37.13 | w00t | why this |
| 00:37.14 | w00t | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 00:37.44 | IamSTUPID | abrotman? |
| 00:37.49 | abrotman | !benchmakrs |
| 00:37.51 | abrotman | !benchmarks |
| 00:38.03 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: error doing what ? |
| 00:38.11 | IamSTUPID | ur way of ching |
| 00:38.14 | IamSTUPID | didnt work |
| 00:38.19 | IamSTUPID | however chmod 777 did work |
| 00:38.19 | abrotman | !ur |
| 00:38.19 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 00:38.20 | IamSTUPID | :) |
| 00:38.20 | dbeal | or, just run aptitude in the curses mode.."u" (lowercase u) makes an update, U (shift-U) prepares an upgrade, "g" starts a download (after showing the files, and a confirmation). |
| 00:38.23 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: ok |
| 00:38.29 | IamSTUPID | anyway |
| 00:38.32 | IamSTUPID | im going to sleep now |
| 00:38.36 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:38.52 | dbeal | I feel so helpful |
| 00:38.52 | IamSTUPID | ill fix the server tomorrow , the bussiness site of my dad can wait ^^ |
| 00:38.55 | w00t | omfg |
| 00:38.58 | w00t | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 00:39.09 | w00t | i just did to ,update |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | omg .. try again |
| 00:39.24 | abrotman | like .. OH MY GOD .. my panties are in a bunch |
| 00:39.27 | dbeal | change /etc/apt.sources to something more sensible |
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| 00:39.33 | dbeal | or something less nonsensible |
| 00:39.43 | w00t | i try apt-get install bittorrent |
| 00:39.47 | shingouz | w00t: what version of debian you use |
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| 00:39.49 | abrotman | or /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:40.05 | dbeal | yeah, i made a typo. |
| 00:40.09 | w00t | shingouz: 3.1 testing |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | no kidding :) |
| 00:40.11 | Belboz99 | Hey all |
| 00:40.13 | dbeal | haha |
| 00:40.18 | abrotman | w00t: testing or etch or sarge ? |
| 00:40.26 | shingouz | w00t: there is no such thing. etch or sarge? |
| 00:40.38 | abrotman | w00t: what do your sources say ? |
| 00:40.42 | spdf | w00t, So, etch... Whats in your sources? (There shouldn't be non-us) |
| 00:40.47 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:40.53 | Belboz99 | I'm trying to Xwin a remote logon to Debian from Windows XP, but Xwin keeps on logging out |
| 00:41.02 | abrotman | spdf: should point at etch or testing |
| 00:41.05 | w00t | i change me sources list |
| 00:41.10 | abrotman | no shit |
| 00:41.11 | abrotman | what are they |
| 00:41.13 | DoppelGanger | Belboz99: beat Xwin with a stick |
| 00:41.14 | Belboz99 | I think there is a font error |
| 00:41.28 | Belboz99 | thanks Doppel, I'll try that ;) |
| 00:42.00 | Belboz99 | Doppel, the guide online said to change some font file in rc.d |
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| 00:42.14 | Belboz99 | of course, Debian doesn't have an rc.d directory |
| 00:42.18 | Belboz99 | so I didn't do it |
| 00:42.30 | Belboz99 | would you happen to know where this font file is? |
| 00:42.37 | Belboz99 | I can look up the file name |
| 00:42.40 | abrotman | !rc.d |
| 00:42.40 | dpkg | Debian is not DedRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d' |
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| 00:42.46 | w00t | can some one help me installing bittorren |
| 00:42.55 | abrotman | w00t: what damn sources are you using ? |
| 00:42.59 | abrotman | for the 3rd fucking time |
| 00:43.03 | plugwash | Belboz99 the rc?.d dirs are directly under /etc on debian |
| 00:43.03 | Guerin | w00t: apt-get install bittornado; done |
| 00:43.14 | plugwash | they don't bother with the extra rc.d level |
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| 00:43.57 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:43.58 | dpkg | [ubuntu] NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 00:44.09 | spdf | abrotman, lol, way to jump on it.. :) |
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| 00:44.25 | abrotman | preemptive strike .. good enough for lesser retards than myself |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | err .. greater retards :) |
| 00:44.54 | w00t | Guerin: ok i did that now where did it go? |
| 00:45.04 | spdf | Haha, Whoops. |
| 00:45.05 | abrotman | w00t: you have to run it ... |
| 00:45.20 | abrotman | w00t: are you using debian ? |
| 00:45.27 | w00t | yeah |
| 00:45.32 | w00t | Guerin: yeah |
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| 00:45.39 | rwilco | same woot that posts on Atrios? |
| 00:45.56 | w00t | Guerin: debian 2.1 |
| 00:46.04 | w00t | Guerin: i mean 3.1 |
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| 00:46.28 | abrotman | !badger Guerin |
| 00:46.29 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 00:46.32 | Guerin | w00t: run btlaunchmanycurses /path/to/a/dir/with/some/torrents/in |
| 00:46.48 | spdf | Wasn't that something before? |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:47.07 | abrotman | but it got abused |
| 00:47.07 | w00t | Guerin: lol that was funny |
| 00:47.30 | abrotman | Guerin: ur funny .. u must get sex lots .. funny man |
| 00:47.42 | Guerin | w00t: to add a torrent, but the .torrent file in that dir. To drop one, delete the .torrent file |
| 00:47.57 | Guerin | abrotman: lol u kno it d00d |
| 00:47.59 | w00t | ok |
| 00:48.14 | abrotman | Guerin: u n33d a he4db0rd! |
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| 00:48.41 | Guerin | bah, i don't need a headboard to disturb my neighbors |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:48.56 | Guerin | korean apartment walls are made of plasterboard |
| 00:49.01 | thingfish | buona notte |
| 00:49.26 | Guerin | it's funny, actually |
| 00:49.28 | spdf | Guerin, I imagine that makes things pretty interesting in the hallways.. |
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| 00:50.08 | Guerin | a mate of ours reckons her neighbor gets a coffee-girl almost every morning at about 0600 |
| 00:50.18 | Guerin | she can hear them going at it through the wall |
| 00:50.21 | w00t | some times i think that mp3s are like lil wormys that people like to get it |
| 00:50.32 | spdf | w00t, What?! |
| 00:50.33 | w00t | lol |
| 00:50.39 | w00t | nvm |
| 00:50.42 | Guerin | then one morning, she heard TWO female voices, one hysterical, one crying.... and the sound of bottles being smashed |
| 00:51.07 | spdf | Guerin, Guess he double booked.. |
| 00:51.32 | abrotman | Guerin: coffee-girl ? |
| 00:51.42 | Guerin | spdf: guess so. Probably his wife came home. A lot of men live alone out there while their wives live in the city. |
| 00:52.00 | spdf | abrotman, a 'call girl' pretty much |
| 00:52.08 | abrotman | why are they called coffee-girls ? |
| 00:52.16 | abrotman | i figured it was a call girl |
| 00:52.18 | abrotman | give me some credit |
| 00:52.33 | Guerin | abrotman: thermos of piping-hot instant coffee delivered to your door at any time of the day or night, by a beautiful and scantily-clad young woman on a motorcycle, for $60! |
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| 00:52.55 | gtlarue | how do I get rid of the error "Error activating XKB configuration" |
| 00:53.10 | Guerin | gtlarue: fix your XKB configuration |
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| 00:53.22 | abrotman | Guerin: uhm .. ok |
| 00:53.27 | abrotman | Guerin: i dont' like coffee |
| 00:53.31 | CyL | Hello, I'm trying to get jre working with konqueror... I've installed it on some directory, and linked it to /usr/lib/mozilla, so it could also work with mozilla, and I've put that directory in the plugin's search list of konqueror. The plugin is installed on mozilla, but I get nothing in konqueror... What could be happening? |
| 00:53.33 | gtlarue | wowm that never occured to me before |
| 00:53.38 | jetx | hey i like coffee |
| 00:53.42 | shingouz | abrotman: you can always dump the coffee... |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | on her? |
| 00:53.51 | abrotman | weird people ? |
| 00:53.58 | bigbill52a | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.58 | Guerin | abrotman: this in a country where there are vending machines which serve basically the same coffee for ~30 cents per cup |
| 00:53.59 | shingouz | abrotman: i guess that would be extra |
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| 00:54.31 | Guerin | !tell cyl about java-package |
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| 00:55.20 | Wowzer | hello all...I'm trying to find out how to configure spamassassin. I'm running sarge...and exim4. |
| 00:55.22 | jetx | java-girls |
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| 00:55.42 | abrotman | Wowzer: no docs at the SA website ? |
| 00:55.49 | spdf | Wowzer, I have a feeling google is super good at that sort of thing.. |
| 00:56.01 | jetx | no, docs are deprecated, the new method is to ask on irc |
| 00:56.10 | CyL | Guerin thanks buddy... but I only want to enable the java script in the browser... it is already working on mozilla... I wanted it to work on konqueror... |
| 00:56.14 | jetx | google is also deprecated |
| 00:56.25 | abrotman | CyL: JRE is different than java script |
| 00:56.27 | jetx | i love the word 'deprecated' |
| 00:56.31 | Guerin | CyL: if you do it the way I told you, it will work automagically. |
| 00:56.36 | abrotman | decapitated ? |
| 00:56.39 | spdf | jetx, So close to "defecated" |
| 00:56.42 | bob2 | Wowzer: youll need to find a howto for that, getting walked through on irc is going to be painful (And ineffective) |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | Guerin: JAVASCRIPT! |
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| 00:56.46 | Guerin | CyL: but you mean java, not javascript, right? |
| 00:56.52 | jetx | yes, close but no cee-gar |
| 00:56.54 | CyL | abrotman sorry.. I mispelled it.. I wanted to say java plugin |
| 00:56.59 | abrotman | oh god damn it |
| 00:57.06 | CyL | Guerin I mean java runtime environment |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | CyL: ask #debian-kde .. tell them it works in mozilla already |
| 00:57.11 | bob2 | Wowzer: http://www.win.tue.nl/~martijna/Debianstuff/ |
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| 00:57.14 | Wowzer | googled but couldn't find any good docs. I figured to ask here, as the install is by aptitude. Actually, a howto would be great...didn't find any with debian sarge exim4 spamassassin |
| 00:57.21 | spdf | bob2, lol, 1st link on google :) |
| 00:57.26 | Wowzer | ty |
| 00:57.29 | bob2 | spdf: duh |
| 00:57.30 | jetx | try tldp.org wowzer |
| 00:57.30 | CyL | abrotman I'll ask them... thanks thank you also guerin |
| 00:57.48 | jetx | or try what they said first |
| 00:57.53 | bob2 | Wowzer: dude, the first hit on google for "exim4 spamassassin" is a debian-specific howto for it |
| 00:58.19 | jetx | when he says google-fu, he really means fu |
| 00:58.28 | Wowzer | my trouble was adding sarge |
| 00:59.19 | jetx | !comfort Wowzer |
| 00:59.19 | dpkg | There, there, Wowzer. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:59.39 | Wowzer | hehehe...tx. ;-) |
| 00:59.41 | jetx | !spamassassin |
| 00:59.54 | dpkg | i heard spamassassin is When upgrading perl 5.6.1 to perl 5.8, sa's Bayes database gets broken due to Berkeley db format changes. Upgrade it by apt-get install db4.1-util, then db4.1_upgrade bayes_seen and bayes_toks -- "file" command should now tell you both are "Hash, version 7, native byte-order" |
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| 01:00.01 | jetx | oh that's helpful |
| 01:00.07 | abrotman | !sa |
| 01:00.07 | dpkg | i heard sa is a cipa |
| 01:00.22 | abrotman | less so |
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| 01:00.42 | jetx | !cipa |
| 01:00.51 | w00t | god damn it ggrrr im mad |
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| 01:01.03 | spdf | w00t, Uh oh. |
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| 01:01.29 | w00t | where is my bittorren at that i install it |
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| 01:01.52 | abrotman | jetx: "Like we care" ? :) |
| 01:01.56 | jetx | well goddamn w00t holy fuck whatever you do don't run btdownloadgui or btdownloadmanycurses |
| 01:02.08 | Guerin | w00t: i fucking TOLD you EXACTLY wwhat to do |
| 01:02.20 | abrotman | Guerin: he's not so good with instructions :) |
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| 01:02.31 | w00t | so i need to type this btdownloadmanycurses |
| 01:02.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:02.42 | jetx | w00t: you need a switch or two |
| 01:02.48 | spdf | w00t, Or, btdownloadgui <FILE> |
| 01:02.50 | jetx | man btdownloadcurses |
| 01:02.52 | Guerin | w00t: then you need to tell it where to look for torrents |
| 01:02.52 | Belboz99 | hey, anyone know where xfs is? |
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| 01:03.04 | jetx | btdownloadgui will ask you where the torrent you want to use is |
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| 01:03.12 | jetx | if yo ujust run it w/o args |
| 01:03.14 | gin_ | i have updated the kernel to: 2.6.8 and i have an error to init |
| 01:03.16 | w00t | i was so mad i piss all over the room |
| 01:03.20 | gin_ | Warning: font renderer for ".pmf" already registered at priority 0 |
| 01:03.20 | gin_ | Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! |
| 01:03.23 | Guerin | w00t: that'll help. |
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| 01:03.27 | w00t | lol |
| 01:03.28 | jetx | w00t: will be stinky when the room gets hot |
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| 01:03.32 | abrotman | Belboz99: which xfs ? |
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| 01:03.36 | Guerin | gin_: ignore it; it's just a warning. |
| 01:03.45 | jetx | gin_: ignorable |
| 01:03.59 | w00t | i saw on google that if u piss all over the room linux work better |
| 01:04.04 | Belboz99 | abrotman, it says it should be in /etc/rc.d/init.d |
| 01:04.09 | spdf | Google knows best.. |
| 01:04.09 | abrotman | w00t: act your age |
| 01:04.09 | Guerin | w00t: i think you mean macos |
| 01:04.09 | jetx | w00t: lets us know if it's right |
| 01:04.20 | jetx | try it NOW |
| 01:04.24 | gin_ | Guerin, but i cant begin linux with: 2.6.x .. coz i have an error in kernel panic too.. |
| 01:04.24 | abrotman | Belboz99: uhm .. not even close .. debian has no /etc/rc.d |
| 01:04.29 | Belboz99 | yeah, I know |
| 01:04.42 | abrotman | Belboz99: which xfs ? .. the Filesystem or the font server ? |
| 01:04.45 | spdf | gin_, Well, You didn't say that.. Whats the error.. |
| 01:04.49 | Belboz99 | font server |
| 01:04.49 | gin_ | where can i read errors of another kernel.. im on 2.2.x |
| 01:04.52 | Guerin | gin_: that's terrible. |
| 01:04.54 | abrotman | Belboz99: apt-get install xfs ? |
| 01:05.01 | Belboz99 | huh, didn't think of that |
| 01:05.01 | Guerin | gin_: woody doesn't work with 2.6 |
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| 01:05.10 | jetx | xfsprogs |
| 01:05.16 | Belboz99 | thanks abrotman! |
| 01:05.17 | jetx | oh nm |
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| 01:05.23 | abrotman | jetx: wrong xfs :) |
| 01:05.24 | Pauk | Guerin: Past experience says you're wrong. ;) |
| 01:05.25 | jetx | ya |
| 01:05.27 | gin_ | Guerin good point |
| 01:05.28 | Guerin | !tell gin_ about woody->sarge |
| 01:05.34 | abrotman | Pauk: not by default you weenie |
| 01:05.42 | gin_ | so.. i need firts change to sarge |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | !woody 2.6 |
| 01:05.50 | dpkg | from memory, bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 01:05.50 | Guerin | Pauk: past experience says you need to install some packages which aren't in woody - hnce WOODY doesn't work with 2.6 |
| 01:05.57 | Pauk | First, specify it then. Second, don't call me a weenie because I'm a little bit more precise. |
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| 01:06.03 | jetx | or apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:06.10 | abrotman | Pauk: woody doesn't work with 2.6 |
| 01:06.13 | Pauk | Guerin: Compile em. |
| 01:06.15 | jetx | since you obviously didn't, but it's just a thought |
| 01:06.15 | w00t | some time linux make me think so much get me mad for noting thinking more and than makes every thinking just sucking |
| 01:06.16 | abrotman | there .. that was precise |
| 01:06.18 | Guerin | Pauk: no, i was precise. Plain jane vanilla woody with no extras DOES NOT work with 2.6 kernels. |
| 01:06.30 | Guerin | Pauk: tell me it ain't so. |
| 01:06.31 | abrotman | don't forget module-init-tools ... |
| 01:06.34 | jetx | w00t: right, i see your point |
| 01:06.37 | Pauk | Okay, smartass. |
| 01:06.43 | w00t | lol |
| 01:06.43 | Pauk | Woody is a revision of a distribution. |
| 01:06.45 | Pauk | BY DEFAULT |
| 01:06.54 | shingouz | stop yelling |
| 01:06.56 | Pauk | It may not have packages required to run a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:07.02 | abrotman | it doesn't |
| 01:07.10 | Pauk | oh forget it |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | there is no 'may' .. it does not have packages required to run 2.6 |
| 01:07.15 | spdf | Turn down the suck. |
| 01:07.15 | Pauk | If you're going to interrupt me, just forget it. |
| 01:07.20 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:07.22 | abrotman | fine .. |
| 01:07.27 | w00t | linux is stoke hard as hell the play it |
| 01:07.27 | abrotman | !lose pauk |
| 01:07.28 | dpkg | pauk: You Lose. |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:07.33 | Pauk | Oh wow. |
| 01:07.33 | w00t | to |
| 01:07.34 | Pauk | How mature. |
| 01:07.40 | jetx | apt-get install microsoft |
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| 01:07.45 | w00t | lol |
| 01:07.47 | abrotman | *sniff* .. /me cries |
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| 01:08.38 | narg | What tool might I use to keep my flash drive and a directory on a local disk synced, rsync? |
| 01:08.47 | xiaogil | are there hexadecimal editors ? |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | sounds good |
| 01:08.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:09.01 | abrotman | apt-cache search hex edit |
| 01:09.03 | bbrazil | xiaogil: yes |
| 01:09.05 | jetx | hexedit |
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| 01:09.08 | jetx | no space |
| 01:09.18 | jetx | !info hexedit |
| 01:09.21 | dpkg | hexedit: (view and edit files in hexadecimal or in ASCII), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 01:09.25 | w00t | windows make me happy all the time when i turn my HP on but this laptop running linux make me mad and hard ass hell to learn how |
| 01:09.31 | abrotman | jetx: either would work ... i meant to find other editors besides just hexedit :) |
| 01:09.33 | jetx | there's a khexedit front end also iirc |
| 01:09.37 | spdf | w00t, Its a bit of a curve.. |
| 01:09.39 | jetx | ah |
| 01:09.52 | jetx | i didn't really see any besides that one |
| 01:09.59 | jetx | didn't look though |
| 01:10.03 | lodeon | just upgraded to sarge and it went fine except for one thing. mysql wont start anymore. |
| 01:10.13 | gin_ | im confused guerin |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | lodeon: and why not ? |
| 01:10.29 | spdf | w00t, Out of curiousity, how old are you? |
| 01:10.37 | w00t | 16 |
| 01:10.39 | lodeon | abrotman: Fatal error: Can't change to run as user 'mysql' ; Plea se check that the user exists! |
| 01:10.40 | jdhutchin1 | lodeon, are you using backported mysql packages? |
| 01:10.40 | jetx | lodeon: that 'may' be mysql went to 4.1 or so... i forget and only dimly remember |
| 01:10.42 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 01:10.49 | abrotman | lodeon: does it ? |
| 01:10.49 | w00t | im 16 |
| 01:10.53 | w00t | why |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 01:10.59 | w00t | im 16 damn it |
| 01:11.01 | lodeon | abrotman: yes it does for sure |
| 01:11.02 | spdf | lol |
| 01:11.06 | spdf | w00t, Where yah from? |
| 01:11.11 | w00t | florida |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | i didn't think any 16 year olds had grammar so atrocious |
| 01:11.20 | shingouz | hehehe... |
| 01:11.33 | abrotman | lodeon: did you check the BTS ? |
| 01:11.36 | jetx | shingouz: i'm surely older than you so don't sweat it |
| 01:11.45 | abrotman | shingouz: you're like what .. 67? |
| 01:11.48 | spdf | abrotman, Apparently "No Child Left Behind" left some behind.. |
| 01:11.55 | jetx | LOL |
| 01:11.55 | shingouz | not that old yet.. 40 |
| 01:11.55 | lodeon | abrotman: BTS? |
| 01:12.04 | abrotman | spdf: you need to spend more time here .. way more than one |
| 01:12.09 | jetx | shingouz: young whippersnapper |
| 01:12.13 | abrotman | !tell lodeon about bts |
| 01:12.15 | w00t | im from USA |
| 01:12.24 | jdhutchin1 | you're from florida, that explains it all |
| 01:12.25 | shingouz | ty. so how old are you then, you old fart? jetx |
| 01:12.30 | jetx | 44 |
| 01:12.31 | mentorofAustria | abrotman: such atrocious grammar? |
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| 01:12.37 | abrotman | don't look at me |
| 01:12.45 | dondelelcaro | grammar is good. Spelling be bad. |
| 01:12.46 | w00t | im from planet mart |
| 01:12.56 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:12.59 | abrotman | that's how you spell it |
| 01:13.02 | jetx | hey i went to walmart today, is that the sister planet w00t? |
| 01:13.03 | obake | mart? |
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| 01:13.10 | abrotman | !spell atrocious |
| 01:13.11 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 01:13.14 | jetx | !walmart |
| 01:13.14 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: how do you spell it ? |
| 01:13.25 | mentorofAustria | abrotman: I wasn't. I was looking at a graphical rendering of the text you typed. |
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| 01:13.26 | gin_ | coz i must change the sources.list to non-local and change to sarge... |
| 01:13.26 | spdf | jetx, Somewhere in the Kmart galaxy |
| 01:13.28 | lodeon | abrotman: aah ;) well i'm not using debian mysql. it's compiled from tar ball |
| 01:13.40 | abrotman | lodeon: oh .. maybe ask #mysql ? |
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| 01:13.58 | abrotman | lodeon: you might need to recompile it ? |
| 01:14.01 | lodeon | abrotman: i'm there too, no one awake M( |
| 01:14.02 | lodeon | ;) |
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| 01:14.53 | jetx | lodeon: when i was using mysql 4.0, there was an upgrade in sarge/sid to 4.1 (the numbers may be wrong but you get the idea) and it broke the blootbot. so 4.1 != <=4.0 |
| 01:15.02 | w00t | walmart is my house i wish walmart make me happy |
| 01:15.18 | jetx | w00t: at least be irritatingly intelligent |
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| 01:15.29 | jetx | instead of the irritating opposite |
| 01:15.39 | shingouz | !beer jetx |
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| 01:15.53 | raf256 | !blow me |
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| 01:16.02 | raf256 | bah, now can I back to work happy \o/ |
| 01:16.20 | raf256 | !blow up Atomic bomb |
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| 01:16.27 | jetx | shoulda gone phhhhht@raf256 instead |
| 01:16.35 | obake | alcohol is bad for your health |
| 01:16.37 | jasoncohen | is "Aptitude::Recommends-Important'" the correct line to add to apt.conf if i want aptitude to automatically install recommends? |
| 01:16.39 | w00t | im 16 i build my ftp site and put some cool stuff on it and build me a gateway running on my wireless and im learning linux and C++ |
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| 01:16.50 | lodeon | jetx: like i said before. i'm not running debian mysql. |
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| 01:16.58 | raf256 | w00t: cool \o/ |
| 01:17.08 | spdf | w00t, GO team. |
| 01:17.08 | jetx | oh i missed that one lodeon |
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| 01:17.45 | paolob | Hi guys! I have a problem with the keyboard in X, giving me an error related to various xkb stuff. What packages should I reinstall in order to try to solve it? thank you! |
| 01:17.46 | jetx | jasoncohen: i tried aptitude --with-recommends --with-suggests once... now i call it craptitude |
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| 01:18.04 | bob2 | jasoncohen: you can set that from the aptitude UI |
| 01:18.05 | spdf | paolob, What are the errors? |
| 01:18.09 | jasoncohen | jetx, by default it uses important recommends |
| 01:18.11 | swim | does anyone happen to use a wireless connection with wep? can I put my wep in /etc/network/interfaces so that it uses it at boot? |
| 01:18.25 | spdf | swim, Didja google yet? |
| 01:18.30 | swim | spdf, yes |
| 01:18.32 | jetx | actually, .... yeah i was about to say, it remembers the setting if you only do it once |
| 01:18.32 | w00t | im going to be 17 in dday 23 |
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| 01:18.38 | paolob | spdf: they are describet in http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-April/028572.html |
| 01:18.38 | raf256 | are the damn security bugs in Quake 2 fixet ___yet__? It have been like 3 years for godssake |
| 01:18.50 | jetx | at least it did back when craptitude was new2debian |
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| 01:19.12 | bob2 | swim: wireless_key is the right option to set |
| 01:19.16 | gin_ | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 01:19.18 | gin_ | Guerin i can't dunno what to change to nono local and to.. sarge in this line, |
| 01:19.24 | jasoncohen | bob2, and do the settings from aptitude interactive mode apply when aptitude is used in command line mode? |
| 01:19.24 | zinx | raf256: uh, q3 is EOL |
| 01:19.29 | swim | bob2, great it's that simple then? |
| 01:19.32 | bob2 | jasoncohen: afaik |
| 01:19.34 | jetx | gin_: testing is etch, not sarge |
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| 01:19.37 | raf256 | q3? EOL? I ment q2 btw |
| 01:19.41 | bob2 | swim: if you put it in the right format, yeah |
| 01:19.45 | zinx | raf256: q2's way past EOL |
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| 01:19.50 | raf256 | wtf is eol |
| 01:19.51 | gin_ | jetx so what i must to do ? |
| 01:19.54 | zinx | raf256: End Of Life |
| 01:20.00 | raf256 | no shit |
| 01:20.04 | w00t | god damn it why dont they make a harder work and put some cool games on linux like half life 2 |
| 01:20.05 | raf256 | q2 is cool \o/ |
| 01:20.13 | raf256 | w00t: indeed |
| 01:20.14 | jetx | you want sarge, correct gin_ ? change testing to sarge or stable |
| 01:20.15 | zinx | raf256: look at one of the many q2-derivitives that happened after it was GPL'd |
| 01:20.23 | raf256 | zinx: like? |
| 01:20.25 | zinx | raf256: if it's not fixed in any of them, then fix it in your favorite. |
| 01:20.29 | jasoncohen | jetx, so, why do you hate aptitude now? |
| 01:20.29 | zinx | raf256: icculus.org has one |
| 01:20.30 | IamSTUPID | !love |
| 01:20.30 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 01:20.31 | jetx | w00t: enemy territory |
| 01:20.36 | raf256 | ok |
| 01:20.38 | spdf | paolob, Are you using Ubuntu? |
| 01:20.40 | gin_ | jetx only that ? |
| 01:20.52 | swim | bob2, I have: iface wlan0 inet static; wireless-essid Blah; wireless_key xxxx...; address 192...; netmask 255...; gateway 192...; up is that correct? |
| 01:20.56 | jetx | jasoncohen: the --with-recommends and --with-suggests sticks across reboots, no need to edit the config |
| 01:20.58 | gin_ | where i must put non-local ? |
| 01:20.59 | IamSTUPID | jetx U Mean RCTW: Enemy Territory? |
| 01:21.01 | paolob | spdf: yes. I was asking in #ubuntu, but nothing answers |
| 01:21.03 | jetx | gin_: afaict yes |
| 01:21.09 | jetx | yes IamSTUPID |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | !tell IamSTUPID about u |
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| 01:21.16 | IamSTUPID | u like/dislike? |
| 01:21.16 | w00t | lol |
| 01:21.19 | polux | hi |
| 01:21.22 | jetx | et rocks |
| 01:21.30 | IamSTUPID | ok then were on 1 line :) |
| 01:21.32 | jetx | i know some of them on irc too |
| 01:21.33 | paolob | spdf: I had a similar problem with some ltsp clients connected to a debian testing server |
| 01:21.37 | spdf | paolob, They're the people to ask, They use X.org, Debian uses XFree |
| 01:21.37 | shingouz | paolob: that is not really our problem if they either sleep or do not know |
| 01:21.39 | IamSTUPID | wanna play some ET? |
| 01:21.47 | w00t | lol |
| 01:21.49 | bob2 | swim: if xxx is it in hex, yeah |
| 01:21.51 | gin_ | jet, so only y must test to sarge and only to that.. |
| 01:22.03 | swim | yes ok thx |
| 01:22.04 | jetx | gin_: yes |
| 01:22.05 | bathat | i installed wxgtk2.6 from sourcecode but would now like to install libwxgtk2.4-python using apt but that would also install libwxgtk2.4 |
| 01:22.05 | paolob | spdf: shingouz: ok ,thank you! :) |
| 01:22.15 | spdf | paolob, Sorry ;) |
| 01:22.19 | IamSTUPID | im going to stick in this room, and steal all intelligence :) |
| 01:22.26 | shingouz | IamSTUPID: channel |
| 01:22.29 | polux | is there a way to get the apt database stick in memory instead of "readind" it as apt says everytime i install a package ? |
| 01:22.34 | w00t | how much u guys get for working? |
| 01:22.39 | meppl | gute nacht - good night |
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| 01:22.52 | spdf | polux, Huh? |
| 01:22.52 | shingouz | w00t: huh? |
| 01:23.02 | abrotman | !tell w00t about u |
| 01:23.03 | IamSTUPID | ? :s |
| 01:23.08 | IamSTUPID | [15/Wed 03:19] <spdf> polux, Huh? |
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| 01:23.08 | IamSTUPID | [15/Wed 03:19] <shingouz> w00t: huh? |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | stop pasting |
| 01:23.16 | IamSTUPID | kinda double ^^ |
| 01:23.24 | shingouz | !clue IamSTUPID |
| 01:23.27 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 01:23.36 | IamSTUPID | lol |
| 01:23.43 | IamSTUPID | !dpkg funny |
| 01:23.43 | dpkg | from memory, funny is Bug report #41459; xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty. http://members.lycos.co.uk/ukrock/individual_pages/various/argentina-1.jpg |
| 01:23.44 | shingouz | !lol |
| 01:23.44 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 01:24.02 | IamSTUPID | ROFL |
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| 01:24.12 | w00t | w00t is me that my real name my dad loved linux so much he named me w00t |
| 01:24.12 | burnninator | thats better |
| 01:24.14 | burnninator | sorry |
| 01:24.19 | bathat | dpkg: what in the world |
| 01:24.24 | w00t | lol jk |
| 01:24.33 | polux | spdf: every time i want to install a package, apt writes "Reading database ... 298490 files and directories currently installed" and it takes a lot of time since i have a lot of packages installed |
| 01:24.56 | spdf | polux, Can't skip it.. |
| 01:25.24 | spdf | polux, Its part of the whole kit-and-kaboodle.. |
| 01:25.30 | polux | spdf: i know i can't skip it but is there a way to keep the database in memory instead of reading it everytime ? |
| 01:25.43 | w00t | wow that really sucked when i did the last update when its was on 99% time out for a lunch break |
| 01:25.48 | burnninator | Alright, where is a good guide to recompiling the kernel so that i can add prism2 wireless support? |
| 01:25.58 | polux | some trick with the sticky bit or with a ramdisk or something like that |
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| 01:26.03 | abrotman | prism54.org ? |
| 01:26.04 | cat | burnninator: linuxdoc.org |
| 01:26.14 | IamSTUPID | w00t ? didnt ur father fell of the stairs and didnt that maked ur brother say: WTF GRBML #@!$% w00t |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | !tell burnninator about kp |
| 01:26.27 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: stop talking like that ... |
| 01:26.34 | w00t | lol |
| 01:27.07 | w00t | 1+2= 4 |
| 01:27.36 | shingouz | IamSTUPID: try to type 'you', 'your' and so on, those 'u' and 'ur' are a bit irritating after a while |
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| 01:28.08 | spdf | w00t, If you want people to take you seriously, and help you in the future, you have to stop acting like you're 5. |
| 01:28.11 | w00t | u dont like then i say u so uu u u not you so u |
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| 01:28.37 | burnninator | is recompiling the kernel the way to add prism2 wireless support? |
| 01:28.41 | jetx | tell it to u-haul (where will u go today) <-- motto |
| 01:28.47 | burnninator | is there a guide for debian just for this? |
| 01:29.08 | shingouz | w00t: i am so happy there is a neat command that i can use. /ignore w00t |
| 01:29.11 | spdf | w00t, That's the sort of thing that gets you /ignore'd |
| 01:29.24 | w00t | uh |
| 01:29.26 | w00t | dont |
| 01:29.37 | w00t | don't i behave |
| 01:29.42 | w00t | i quite |
| 01:29.52 | w00t | plz |
| 01:30.17 | w00t | ignoring me hurt me face |
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| 01:30.27 | IamSTUPID | lol |
| 01:30.33 | IamSTUPID | ok sorry abrotman and shingouz |
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| 01:30.38 | IamSTUPID | just tried to be funny :( |
| 01:30.40 | spdf | I wonder if I'm going to break my /ignore cherry today.. |
| 01:30.42 | shingouz | dammit, another one |
| 01:30.45 | ethics | w00t: eter key is as bad... |
| 01:30.48 | ethics | !enter |
| 01:30.48 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 01:31.07 | swim | bob2, so if I bring wlan0 down, and ifconfig wlan0 up again, if things are correct than it should work... :\ it hasnt |
| 01:31.18 | swim | bob2, so if I bring wlan0 down, and ifconfig wlan0 up again, if things are correct than it should work... :\ it hasnt |
| 01:31.23 | Loof | I'm having a rather odd problem. I thought it was wifi related but it is not. I've got a laptop set up /w unstable and 2.6.8. Basically, the ethernet interface comes up...has an IP...I can ping loopback... yet I can't ping anything on my network. |
| 01:31.25 | shingouz | swim: ifup... |
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| 01:31.39 | Loof | The settings are correct for the network... I'm not sure what could cause this. |
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| 01:31.44 | w00t | me and me friends when to me house to play on me tv |
| 01:31.53 | burnninator | when i open README.gz in pico, all i get is garbage |
| 01:31.58 | resiak | sussudio: ping |
| 01:32.02 | jetx | w00t: very irritating |
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| 01:32.07 | shingouz | burnninator: that is gzipped |
| 01:32.09 | jetx | !ops w00t sucks |
| 01:32.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: w00t sucks |
| 01:32.14 | bob2 | swim: they're not correct then |
| 01:32.14 | Loof | There's a route for the net...and a default route for the g/w |
| 01:32.17 | ethics | Loof: is the IP in the same network as everyone else? can you ping them? |
| 01:32.18 | burnninator | sorry |
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| 01:32.19 | jetx | and needs a small lesson |
| 01:32.21 | bob2 | jetx: stop it |
| 01:32.24 | Loof | ethics: Yep...nope |
| 01:32.28 | ethics | loof_ is there a firewall up with spastic rules? |
| 01:32.31 | Loof | Nope |
| 01:32.42 | bob2 | swim: set it up manually with iwconfig and make sure that works |
| 01:32.44 | w00t | ok i stoped |
| 01:32.49 | patterson | is there an anonymizer live cd ? |
| 01:32.53 | bob2 | no |
| 01:32.56 | patterson | or something like that |
| 01:32.56 | Loof | nothing in ip tables. |
| 01:33.09 | Loof | and I can't even ping my internal network, much less anything else. |
| 01:33.15 | w00t | im 50 years old now i need to be bored and hate people |
| 01:33.22 | lodeon | so there's no one here who could help me out? |
| 01:33.28 | abrotman | w00t: stop being an ass .. really . please |
| 01:33.34 | bob2 | w00t: enough |
| 01:33.36 | burnninator | whats a better irc client than Bitchx |
| 01:33.38 | burnninator | ? |
| 01:33.41 | resiak | !better |
| 01:33.41 | dadexter | irssi |
| 01:33.41 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 01:33.42 | Loof | The thing I find odd is that I can ping loopback |
| 01:33.42 | resiak | !irssi |
| 01:33.42 | dpkg | irssi is, like, the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 01:33.49 | shingouz | abrotman: he is 16.. cut him some slack :) |
| 01:33.50 | hardcampa- | burnninator any |
| 01:33.51 | Loof | I thought maybe ipv4 was broken somehow |
| 01:33.52 | hardcampa- | => |
| 01:33.53 | ethics | bob2: a few people have been asking about UML stuff....is there any links etc you have around for help? |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | shingouz: we you like that when you were 16 ? |
| 01:34.08 | bob2 | ethics: crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt |
| 01:34.10 | burnninator | any recomendations? |
| 01:34.18 | w00t | im out see u all later peace smoke weed do whatever today see ya |
| 01:34.21 | Loof | Blah |
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| 01:34.23 | abrotman | shingouz: you were probably out getting high and sleeping with girls :) |
| 01:34.27 | shingouz | abrotman: not really, i was terrorizing the town with my bike back then |
| 01:34.32 | burnninator | the colors in bitchx are hurting my eyes |
| 01:34.42 | Loof | Ok, one more clue |
| 01:34.42 | shingouz | abrotman: and yes, there were some chixx0rs back then |
| 01:34.46 | bob2 | don't use bitchx then |
| 01:34.48 | ethics | bob2: cheers mate...gives me something to fire at them 8) |
| 01:34.48 | Loof | I do have arp table entries! |
| 01:34.55 | burnninator | im asking for an alternative |
| 01:35.03 | Loof | no wait, no I don't |
| 01:35.05 | stew | burnninator: irssi-text |
| 01:35.11 | Loof | I have 'em 'cause I tried to ping there... no MAC |
| 01:35.12 | spdf | burnninator, Change them |
| 01:35.26 | burnninator | brb |
| 01:35.27 | burnninator | exit |
| 01:35.58 | stew | did bitchx even make it into sarge? |
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| 01:36.10 | stew | looks like it did |
| 01:36.13 | burnninator | nice, same color |
| 01:36.14 | burnninator | s |
| 01:36.24 | asker | are there anyone that use icecast ? |
| 01:36.44 | Loof | Blah, what could cause this sort of thing? |
| 01:36.46 | burnninator | maybe its gnome terminal that makes it look so bad |
| 01:36.56 | Loof | I'm hoping it is something basic...that I simply forgot to check |
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| 01:37.42 | Guerin | !uml |
| 01:37.42 | dpkg | i heard uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt, or http://crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt |
| 01:37.50 | Guerin | winnah |
| 01:37.58 | abrotman | stew: you're alive! |
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| 01:38.04 | stew | i am! |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | you know .. w00t had been banned before |
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| 01:38.18 | ethics | Guerin hehe: popular factoid it seems...it keeps growing hehe |
| 01:38.43 | bob2 | dpkg: uml ~= s/, or http://crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt// |
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| 01:39.06 | bob2 | dpkg: uml =~ s/, or http://crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt// |
| 01:39.08 | bob2 | bah |
| 01:39.35 | abrotman | try again! |
| 01:39.42 | spdf | dpkg: uml =~ s#http://crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt# |
| 01:39.48 | bob2 | oh, duh me |
| 01:39.51 | patterson | is there a debian based live cd that anonymizes you ? |
| 01:39.56 | abrotman | dpkg: uml =~ s#http://crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt## |
| 01:39.56 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 01:39.58 | Guerin | duh spdf too |
| 01:40.10 | spdf | Boo.. so close |
| 01:40.19 | abrotman | oh .. left a hanging , though :) |
| 01:40.20 | bob2 | patterson: no |
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| 01:40.25 | spdf | Oh man.. There's funnel clouds :) |
| 01:40.35 | bob2 | patterson: also, "anonymize" is a stupid word if you're not going to define what you actually mean |
| 01:41.23 | spdf | According to the Weather channel, Tornadoes are spinning a ditch around my city.. apparently they're building a moat... |
| 01:41.24 | narg | patterson: tinfoilhatlinux.com Floppy based. VERY "anonymizing" ;P |
| 01:41.34 | stew | dpkg: uml =~ s#txt, or#txt# |
| 01:41.34 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 01:41.36 | nvz | patterson: there are no debian live cds, and the debian based ones are not supported here or by the debian project. |
| 01:41.40 | narg | spdf, what city you in? |
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| 01:42.12 | burnninator | alright, i'm stuck. I can't find info on getting my prism2 based wireless card installed with sarge |
| 01:42.16 | spdf | narg, Orillia, Ontario, Canada |
| 01:42.19 | patterson | well heres another question. is ip hiding a goodor bad thiing |
| 01:42.32 | ethics | spdf: ok we need 1 giant VAT and 300 cokecans with bent metal bits and a 4x4.....see you in OZ |
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| 01:42.37 | abrotman | burnninator: might ask #wireless for a nudge in the right direction |
| 01:42.45 | narg | Ah. Was thinking you were in MN, were having craplaods of nasty weather here. Heh. |
| 01:42.46 | burnninator | thanks |
| 01:42.53 | patterson | my first knee jerk reaction is its a good thing |
| 01:43.01 | spdf | narg, lol, I can barely handle this, let alone what you guys get there |
| 01:43.08 | nvz | patterson: what the hell are you talking about? |
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| 01:43.15 | bob2 | patterson: you can't "hide your ip", sorry |
| 01:43.18 | narg | Its crazy here, we get like an inch of rain a day |
| 01:43.20 | bob2 | that's not how the internet works |
| 01:43.23 | narg | crazy weather lately. |
| 01:43.46 | narg | hiding ip is a buzz word type thing, for selling security software to Joe sixpacks. |
| 01:43.47 | bob2 | you can route something through some other machine |
| 01:43.51 | nvz | bob2: you may be getting trolled. I could be wrong though. |
| 01:44.03 | spdf | patterson, Do you mean something along the lines of Anonymizer? Going through proxies and such to surf the net? |
| 01:44.05 | bob2 | patterson: please don't abuse tor |
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| 01:44.13 | patterson | sorry |
| 01:44.15 | narg | Ok, if your using tor, you can hide your ip. |
| 01:44.28 | patterson | just thinking |
| 01:44.28 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:44.29 | foureyes779 | if you really wanna be l33t you could assign an alphanumeric IP and then encrypt it |
| 01:44.30 | bob2 | patterson: it's meant for people who actually have a need to hide their identity, like dissidents in china or the US |
| 01:44.33 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 01:44.34 | Lefraru | debian en ESPAÑOL |
| 01:44.40 | bob2 | Lefraru: no |
| 01:44.49 | patterson | thanks for spelling dissident for me :)\ |
| 01:44.49 | simonrvn | #debian-es |
| 01:44.49 | Lefraru | AYUDA |
| 01:44.54 | bob2 | patterson: "hiding your ip" is not something you need for security |
| 01:45.05 | patterson | well |
| 01:45.17 | Lefraru | gRACIAS, VON VOLLAGE |
| 01:45.30 | narg | adios lefraru |
| 01:45.31 | simonrvn | tap your caps lock once |
| 01:45.32 | Loof | Bleh |
| 01:45.58 | Loof | I gave up on getting this laptop to work /w wifi... plug in ethernet...and find out that nothing is working at all |
| 01:46.02 | patterson | i dont really care at themoment |
| 01:46.17 | Loof | Blah |
| 01:46.22 | bob2 | nvz: there is |
| 01:46.25 | simonrvn | narg: there is |
| 01:46.26 | bob2 | er, narg |
| 01:46.27 | Loof | Could this be an issue with 2.6.8? |
| 01:46.45 | SEXisWIHBUD | WIHBUD, what i have but you dont. |
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| 01:46.51 | bob2 | bah |
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| 01:46.53 | stew | narg: Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" |
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| 01:46.58 | Guerin | pwn3d |
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| 01:47.06 | narg | Ah, but Id want to turn it into something useful. |
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| 01:47.11 | SEXisWIHBUD | :s |
| 01:47.14 | simonrvn | um, wtf |
| 01:47.16 | stew | narg: there is also swapcaps |
| 01:47.26 | simonrvn | SEXisWIHBUD: *plonk* |
| 01:47.27 | narg | Swaps with ctrl, no? |
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| 01:47.29 | Loof | Is there some other channel I should be asking this... 'cause I'm getting NO response so far. |
| 01:47.30 | stew | narg: and there is also xmodmap |
| 01:47.47 | cat | Loof: about what? |
| 01:47.53 | narg | loof: #Linuxhelp? Id help, but I dont know anything about wireless cards. |
| 01:47.56 | gandy909 | I sent a message to jfs@debian.org about the Securing Debian Manual but it bounced. Where should I try next? |
| 01:48.00 | spdf | His Prism2 card.. |
| 01:48.00 | cat | oh wireless |
| 01:48.15 | SEXisWIHBUD | goodnight guys |
| 01:48.17 | cat | gandy909: debian.org/doc |
| 01:48.32 | SEXisWIHBUD | and uhm dont forget (WIHBUD, what i have but you dont. ) |
| 01:48.33 | Loof | narg: This isn't a wireless card. |
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| 01:48.47 | Loof | I mentioned... I switched to a standard ethernet card |
| 01:48.53 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 01:48.53 | narg | oh, missed that. |
| 01:48.53 | dpkg | hmm... plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
| 01:49.02 | Loof | THAT is when I realized it wasn't just a messed up wifi problem...but something deeper |
| 01:49.19 | narg | Its a laptop? DHCP problem, possibly? |
| 01:49.23 | Loof | cat: Basically... I've got my network set up 'properly' and I can't ping anything. |
| 01:49.24 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@213.211.173.125] by bob2 |
| 01:49.26 | Loof | Nope. |
| 01:49.28 | Loof | static IP |
| 01:49.35 | narg | hrm. Whats the ping error? |
| 01:49.40 | Loof | I did try DHCP and it didn't get a response. |
| 01:49.44 | Loof | Also, this is something 'new' |
| 01:49.50 | Loof | I was able to install over the network |
| 01:50.07 | Loof | But after a reboot... I can't get out to anything. |
| 01:50.15 | narg | cat /etc/resolv.conf quick, and check if it has something funny in it? |
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| 01:50.27 | Loof | narg: I'm pinging IPs... but I'll look |
| 01:50.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:50.42 | Loof | Nope, nothing odd there. |
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| 01:50.55 | narg | Wierd. |
| 01:50.57 | simonrvn | SEXisWIHBUD: /cycling won't remove the +q, dumbass |
| 01:51.02 | Loof | And I've set up Linux network many dozens of times |
| 01:51.07 | Loof | This is just odd |
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| 01:51.14 | sineer | hey hey! |
| 01:51.21 | narg | Well, thats beyond me. |
| 01:51.35 | narg | Laptops tend to be screwy, thats why Ive avioded them. |
| 01:51.35 | stew | Loof: could it be the cable? can you tcpdump on a remote box and see any outgoing traffic? |
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| 01:51.58 | sineer | My 2.6.11 kernel panic cause of REiserFS device NULL superblock vs_check_internal_block_head !! |
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| 01:52.00 | spdf | Loof, Are you on your laptop right now? |
| 01:52.01 | shingouz | Loof: do you have the driver in the kernel at the moment in the first place? |
| 01:52.01 | Loof | stew: Nope, cable is fine. |
| 01:52.05 | Loof | spdf: Uhm NO |
| 01:52.11 | sineer | the HD is new... could it be fucked? |
| 01:52.20 | spdf | Loof, Trust me, not a stupid question :) |
| 01:52.22 | Loof | shingouz: Yep... I can ifconfig |
| 01:52.23 | simonrvn | no reiser is |
| 01:52.29 | sineer | I see.. good :) |
| 01:52.32 | sineer | well. not so |
| 01:52.32 | binaryc | in window themes with rounded corners. my corners are not transparent they are filled with white or black. is this because i have something setup wrong or is it becuase of the lackof transparency in X |
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| 01:52.37 | Loof | Mind you...this effect is through 3 different cards |
| 01:52.44 | sineer | so.. arr I should reinstall a third time this time without reiserfs? |
| 01:52.45 | Loof | 2 wireless and 1 wired |
| 01:52.51 | shingouz | Loof: ifconfig works then, route looks as it should? |
| 01:52.59 | Loof | route looks fine. |
| 01:53.01 | simonrvn | sineer: it's called a kernel bug - caused by a bug in the code |
| 01:53.03 | narg | binaryc: Have you enabled transparency in x, and is the windec a 'fake' transparency? |
| 01:53.04 | Loof | one for my net |
| 01:53.10 | JeffH_ | Anyone here run Dirvish? I'm trying to set it up to backup my windows box and can't seem to get it to work.. though I think the problem might be on the windows side. |
| 01:53.11 | Loof | and a default for the g/w |
| 01:53.14 | lodeon | just recompiled mysql and now it works again. |
| 01:53.17 | Loof | no odd rules in iptables |
| 01:53.24 | Loof | ifconfig looks fine |
| 01:53.27 | simonrvn | sineer: i'd use ext3, xfs, jfs, or ext2 |
| 01:53.27 | sineer | simonrvn right.. but if I wanna run 2.6.11 I should isntall on ext3 mayb |
| 01:53.28 | shingouz | Loof: can you ping your router? |
| 01:53.29 | stew | Loof: tcpdump? |
| 01:53.31 | Loof | I can ping the local IP (loopback) |
| 01:53.35 | stranger | can these facts be true or is this webpage lying |
| 01:53.35 | Loof | can't ping the router |
| 01:53.36 | sineer | I had a fuck earlier with xfs :( |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | ok .. searching for jobs in french .. sucks |
| 01:53.38 | Loof | can't get ARP |
| 01:53.40 | stranger | The Vatican ’s biggest industry (aside from indoctrination) is worldwide financial and banking services. A select group of 1,000 spoiled men live in luxury on an annual budget of $175 million – while condemning most of their followers to a poverty-stricken existence. |
| 01:53.45 | Voodoo-Child | who said ifconfig? |
| 01:53.53 | simonrvn | xfs seems to behave slightly better on BE machines |
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| 01:53.56 | stranger | who obtained such facts |
| 01:53.58 | binaryc | narg- no, but i will look into enabling it , and i am unsure if the windec is fake or true transparency that was kindof my question |
| 01:53.59 | simonrvn | IME anyway |
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| 01:54.08 | sineer | I'm used to ufs2.. reiser was fast until it start to fsck |
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| 01:54.15 | shingouz | Loof: damn. you sure the cables are connected and that you do not have a crossover somewhere? |
| 01:54.16 | Sess | /msg dpkg install debian |
| 01:54.18 | Loof | stew: not even getting far enough for tcpdump to be useful. |
| 01:54.19 | narg | Well, I dunno what windec your using. Heh. |
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| 01:54.24 | Sess | excuse |
| 01:54.27 | Loof | shingouz: I have a solid link light. |
| 01:54.28 | Voodoo-Child | can i use ifconfig to configure my netcard in order to get it working with dhcp? |
| 01:55.08 | spdf | stranger, Not the place for that sort of thing.. |
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| 01:55.19 | magyar | is there a tv in package for sarge? |
| 01:55.30 | spdf | magyar, Once again... |
| 01:55.34 | Loof | Damn, I gotta go |
| 01:55.37 | shingouz | Loof: if you have another cable there, try replacing it for the hell of it. check for possible crossovers too |
| 01:55.40 | narg | lata loof. |
| 01:55.46 | Loof | shingouz: Nope, not the cable |
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| 01:55.55 | Loof | shingouz: And wifi cards behaved THE SAME WAY |
| 01:55.56 | JeffH_ | what port does rsync run on? |
| 01:56.00 | Lefraru | #debian-es |
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| 01:56.19 | shingouz | no idea then at the time loof :( |
| 01:56.19 | Loof | Well, if anyone has any ideas msg me...or just say it in here and I'll /last it later |
| 01:56.21 | xiaogil | When i execute the command "cat myfile" or similar command, how to tell it to do "as if" my file was encoded with the charset BIG5 ? |
| 01:56.23 | sineer | oh I have a good question! how to stub a xfree package so that I can install xorg 6.8.2 manually in /usr/X11R6.8 and fix up pkg db such that there's no problem installing X packages? |
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| 01:56.27 | magyar | spdf: tv-in package , for veiwing TV through the video card's s-video connector |
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| 01:56.28 | Lefraru | VIVA CHILE |
| 01:56.29 | s0n1 | hi |
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| 01:56.41 | simonrvn | @fuck nationalism |
| 01:56.49 | s0n1 | what maildrop support a authlib? |
| 01:56.52 | shingouz | Lefraru: /join #debian-es |
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| 01:57.01 | s0n1 | courier-maildrop don't |
| 01:57.07 | shingouz | Lefraru: /part #debian |
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| 01:57.16 | s0n1 | ldd /usr/lib/maildrop |
| 01:57.21 | s0n1 | dont see authlib |
| 01:57.30 | s0n1 | someone knows here? |
| 01:57.30 | sineer | anyone has a keygoard I could google on mayb for doign that X stubbin thing? |
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| 01:57.45 | narg | JeffH_: 873 is daemon. |
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| 01:58.31 | sineer | I've found plenty of pages on how to install Xorg and I succeded but none explained how to satisfy debian deps such that I can easily install debian packages that depends on xfree that I do not wanna install |
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| 01:58.40 | FlimFlamMan | do you guys know that 'stranger' character? he's also known as whitesands. he is certifiably insane. he's been in and out of prisons and mental institutions for decades. he used to be an economics professor in louisiana. |
| 01:58.46 | xiaogil | Or, how to open a text file with the charset BIG5 with gedit used in terminal ? |
| 01:59.08 | binaryc | ehh , all my google luck has run out. can someone point me to where i can learn how to enable fake transparency in X |
| 01:59.26 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: he was ranting here for hours yesterday |
| 01:59.35 | bob2 | binaryc: that's app specific |
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| 01:59.39 | simonrvn | there's nothing to enable. it's app based |
| 01:59.43 | narg | sineer: deb http://debian.linux-systeme.com sid main <- Im running xorg from the repo just fine. |
| 01:59.48 | nvz | can Nautilus thumbnail video files, like it does pictures? I thought it could.. but its not doing it for me. I know gnome-settings-daemon has to be running for certain icons to display, but it previews images with or without g-s-d so I dont know if I need to start something else or what to get the video or if its even possible |
| 01:59.51 | bob2 | binaryc: x.org has real transparency using the "transset" command |
| 01:59.52 | JeffH_ | harg: thanks. |
| 01:59.57 | spdf | FlimFlamMan, lol, How do you know? |
| 01:59.57 | bob2 | nvz: yes, it does |
| 02:00.15 | bob2 | nvz: you need totem-gstreamer, aiui, and it has to support the file format you want thumbnailed |
| 02:00.16 | FlimFlamMan | he used to hang out a lot on #politics and #religion |
| 02:00.22 | myren | is it "a universal" or "an universal" |
| 02:00.25 | binaryc | bob2- i have some time to play as finals are almost over, what would it intail to get x.org running on sid ? |
| 02:00.30 | simonrvn | myren: an |
| 02:00.39 | sineer | narg: heh. I'm trying to march k8 Xfree to minimal install with gcc 3.4.4 on amd64 arch |
| 02:00.42 | myren | thats so weird. i dont know how to say an universal |
| 02:00.43 | simonrvn | 'entail' |
| 02:00.45 | spdf | He's still here, likely ranting, we just can't see it.. cause he's banned.. |
| 02:00.50 | narg | binaryc: Look up to my msg to sineer, and theres a repo that lets you :P |
| 02:00.58 | bob2 | binaryc: getting it from ubuntu, I guess |
| 02:01.03 | narg | Sineer: Oh :p |
| 02:01.05 | bob2 | binaryc: or using dilinger's sid packages...one sec |
| 02:01.17 | spdf | myren, Pretty sure its 'a universal' |
| 02:01.24 | abrotman | spdf: no . he's here . not banned |
| 02:01.30 | simonrvn | an |
| 02:01.31 | binaryc | simonrvn- thanks it didn't look write , erm right haha my spelling is horrible |
| 02:01.34 | spdf | abrotman, caphuso banned him, no kick |
| 02:01.35 | bob2 | binaryc: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/04/msg01495.html |
| 02:01.46 | abrotman | spdf: he was talking earlier ... |
| 02:01.48 | FlimFlamMan | spdf: i thought he was full of it, but i spent some time researching him and there were a lot of parallels with his statements. |
| 02:01.48 | simonrvn | a before consonants, an before h and vowels |
| 02:01.51 | FlimFlamMan | spdf?\ |
| 02:02.02 | spdf | abrotman, And then he banned him.. |
| 02:02.10 | abrotman | spdf: no he didn't |
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| 02:02.17 | patterson | bob2 .. well if i was a chinese dissident . what live cd would you gibe me ? |
| 02:02.19 | FlimFlamMan | spdf: apparently his brother has written a number of mathematics textbooks |
| 02:02.20 | spdf | abrotman, Lies. All Lies. mode/#debian [+b *!*@adsl-68-91-109-35.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] by caphuso |
| 02:02.26 | abrotman | spdf: that was w00t |
| 02:02.26 | patterson | v |
| 02:02.30 | sineer | narg I could run 32bit emu xorg but that would deny me the pleasure of being fully 64bit... if only Nvidia would make 64bit drivers for bsd! |
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| 02:02.35 | bob2 | patterson: I wouldn't, I'd give you a debian cd and tell you to use tor |
| 02:02.53 | narg | sineer: :( Wait, why are you asking about bsd in #debian? :p |
| 02:02.56 | caphuso | abrotman: wanna bet? |
| 02:03.02 | patterson | oh. and had the iq of say.. patterson |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | spdf: i'm sorry .. you're right .. must have happened when i got split |
| 02:03.13 | sineer | narg I'm not asking.. just bitching ;) |
| 02:03.20 | abrotman | spdf: it happened after a ops call for w00t |
| 02:03.20 | spdf | abrotman, lol, no worries.. I was about to bust out /who :) |
| 02:03.22 | narg | sineer: Nods :) |
| 02:03.25 | sineer | anyway.. I shut up now |
| 02:03.39 | caphuso | i should have probaby banned stranger!*@* instead... |
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| 02:03.43 | patterson | room temp in a badly insulated icelandic hut |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | caphuso: do eet! |
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| 02:04.13 | caphuso | well, most likely there will be a next time |
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| 02:04.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:04.29 | patterson | come winter |
| 02:04.30 | binaryc | where can i go to find out with the status of xorg in debian, just to check that it isn't going to be in the day after i get it working from some other source, i am lucky like that |
| 02:04.49 | nvz | bob2: oh, does it have to be running? I just run sawfish, I just start nautilus sometimes for lazy point-and-click file management |
| 02:04.57 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:05.00 | narg | Try the X strike force site binaryc. |
| 02:05.04 | FlimFlamMan | you know how he lost his job as an economics professor? he walked into class and asked all the jews to raise their hands. then he told them they were damned to hell because they killed christ. |
| 02:05.13 | bob2 | nvz: nautilus? I think so |
| 02:05.14 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: and ? |
| 02:05.21 | FlimFlamMan | and what ? |
| 02:05.35 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: he was economics professor ... not a history professor |
| 02:05.41 | syllable | i installed debian sarge today with kde. got everything going fine. the only problem is, i cant change my resolution. i searched on so many sites and tried so many things and i cant get it to work. i wanted to use 1280x1024, but it only lists 800x600 and 6 something x 480. i edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and added "1280x1024" in the modes, rebooted, but it wouldnt show up in the display control. the XF86Config file still has what i edited |
| 02:05.42 | nvz | heh |
| 02:05.48 | abrotman | and that is historically .. wrong :) |
| 02:06.02 | sineer | hey I have another fsck on yet another debian box that I'd really like to fix so that I could watch pr0n on my tv... let me hook up a monitor and paste the error so that maybe us geeks together can fix this kernel mistery |
| 02:06.05 | FlimFlamMan | well, yeah, my point is he's *crazy* |
| 02:06.09 | narg | syllable: Try dpkg-reconfiguring it? |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: we noticed |
| 02:06.13 | shingouz | !tell syllable about xmd5sum |
| 02:06.16 | shingouz | !tell syllable about drxx |
| 02:06.24 | shingouz | !tell syllable about troubleshooting x |
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| 02:06.34 | nvz | bob2: no I mean do I have to start totem-gstreamer or just have it installed. LIke when I start nautilus the icons are all blank white pages, unless I also start gnome-settings-daemon. I was wondering if I have to start that totem-gstreamer or just install it |
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| 02:06.41 | syllable | narg: yes, it wont write to the file tho. im still a noob, installed linux or the firsttime today |
| 02:06.42 | shingouz | syllable: what dpkg just told you should get you on the right track :) |
| 02:06.50 | spdf | Er. You can still see people talking about you when you get banned right? |
| 02:06.54 | patterson | had a gumstick and ethernet soldered on |
| 02:06.56 | stelki | Hello, is anybody experiencing problems with connecting to servers in Teamspeak 2? running on sarge, with a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:06.58 | bob2 | nvz: oh, just have it installed |
| 02:07.06 | bob2 | nvz: totem-thumbnailer or something generates them |
| 02:07.07 | narg | syllable: What do you mean it wont write to file? |
| 02:07.09 | bob2 | spdf: yes |
| 02:07.12 | spdf | Bah.. He's gone.. *Sad Face* |
| 02:07.28 | stew | narg: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 02:07.36 | syllable | when i reconfigure, the fields do not change in the actual file |
| 02:07.43 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | syllable: that's what the md5sum wsa for |
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| 02:07.52 | syllable | oh, thanks shingouz, didnt notice :) |
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| 02:08.14 | syllable | man, i have alot to learn |
| 02:08.15 | sineer | ok, as I'm sure your all very curious about my kernel problems here's more info :) its an initrd related/make-kpkg 2.6.11 kernel issue |
| 02:08.16 | bgat | anyone know where I can get modules for keyspan devices? |
| 02:08.29 | narg | stew: Ah, thanks. Never ran into that problem myself, didnt knwo that happened. |
| 02:08.39 | shingouz | syllable: first you need to redo the md5sum on the file, then you can start working with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:08.58 | K_Dallas | Good evening folks! Q: would it mess things up if i use apt-get, aptitude, and synaptic interchangeably? thanks |
| 02:09.04 | stew | narg: read the comments at the top of the file |
| 02:09.05 | sineer | I make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image then install goes fine and grub mod the bootrec proper.. then when I reboot I get this: Kernel panic - not syncing: VGS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 02:09.08 | narg | K_Dallas: No. |
| 02:09.13 | K_Dallas | thanks narg |
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| 02:09.17 | sineer | err VGS=VFS |
| 02:09.25 | shingouz | K_Dallas: some have said yes too. not sure |
| 02:09.34 | abrotman | K_Dallas: yes .. badly |
| 02:09.39 | sineer | just before that I get Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 02:10.18 | K_Dallas | shingouz, what i have noticed is that aptitude has extra features |
| 02:10.18 | narg | I dont use aptitude, but apt-get and synaptic work interchangable for me. |
| 02:10.18 | sineer | yet this option IS in my err. menu.lst |
| 02:10.18 | K_Dallas | abrotman, so i stick with aptitude? |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | K_Dallas: stick with one |
| 02:10.18 | shingouz | K_Dallas: so have i, that is why i use apt-get |
| 02:10.18 | sineer | and when I install a kernel-package say 2.6.8 it run fine |
| 02:10.18 | syllable | thanks for the help, im going to try it out now. |
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| 02:10.19 | syllable | take care |
| 02:10.20 | abrotman | K_Dallas: iirc .. apt-get and aptitude use different databases to keep track |
| 02:10.25 | K_Dallas | i see, now it is getting tougher, which one to chose? |
| 02:10.25 | sineer | grub/initrd work like a charm... |
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| 02:10.33 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 02:10.34 | dx11101 | hello |
| 02:10.54 | K_Dallas | i stick with apt-get and synaptic, it has worked fine so far |
| 02:10.54 | sineer | and I know my settings are correct because I ran the same config minus a kernel module before fine |
| 02:10.54 | dx11101 | omg im so glad i found this irc |
| 02:11.07 | abrotman | why is that ? |
| 02:11.10 | K_Dallas | i was curious because i heard here that 3.01 release notes emphasised on aptitude! |
| 02:11.12 | shingouz | K_Dallas: depends on what you want from the frontend. if you want to have control over it use apt-get, if you like to have something a bit more automagic, use aptitude |
| 02:11.25 | ayam | hi ppl, is there any unofficial X.org pkg ? |
| 02:11.34 | sineer | why is it I would get VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) ? |
| 02:11.44 | abrotman | you messed up your kenrel compile |
| 02:11.48 | K_Dallas | shingouz, i could just use apt-get and i think that is what i am going to do |
| 02:11.48 | idimmu | elves in the hdd :( |
| 02:11.52 | sineer | someone ought to put this unofficial xorg source in the topic |
| 02:12.03 | bgat | anyone know where I can get modules for keyspan devices? where can I get something like kernel-nonfree-modules-2.6.x? |
| 02:12.11 | shingouz | sineer: you need to have a) an initrd or b) have all the modules you need to access the root fs compiled statically |
| 02:12.16 | stew | sineer: there is no official xorg source |
| 02:12.18 | sineer | idimmu screw those elves I need this kernel to work for my vmware to work :( |
| 02:12.22 | xiaogil | How to force the command cat to read a file with a given charset ? |
| 02:12.23 | idimmu | :( |
| 02:12.24 | stew | oh nm |
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| 02:12.41 | dx11101 | i need help getting nvidia drivers working in Sarge, im retarded and cant figure it out on my own, the more tutorials i read the more confused i get, i think maybe im missing something in my sources.list..... |
| 02:12.43 | bob2 | ayam: google: dilinger x.org |
| 02:12.51 | sineer | shingouz: yes, but if other initrd kernel package install/boot fine? |
| 02:12.52 | caphuso | xiaogil: cat doesn't care about charsets |
| 02:12.59 | ayam | bob2: thanks |
| 02:13.11 | sineer | shingouz I've checked my config and it all look good.. I ran a similar kernel on other boxes just fine |
| 02:13.15 | shingouz | dx11101: what driver, huh, what... more information on the specifics |
| 02:13.15 | abrotman | !tell dx11101 about nvidia one liner |
| 02:13.18 | xiaogil | caphuso: and gedit then ? |
| 02:13.23 | caphuso | xiaogil: no idea |
| 02:13.42 | shingouz | sineer: what can i say. it is either the initrd or static drivers for the root fs |
| 02:13.44 | dx11101 | i just need help moving from using VESA to NVIDIA |
| 02:13.50 | abrotman | !tell dx11101 about nvidia one liner |
| 02:13.57 | narg | Am I just not seeing a package for binary nvidia on 2.6, or is it not there? |
| 02:14.10 | bob2 | narg: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 02:14.15 | bob2 | (it's in non-free) |
| 02:14.22 | sineer | shingouz ok, I'll triple check, hold on I might need some info mayb :) thanks |
| 02:14.31 | stew | sineer: do you have a initrd=/path/to/initrd in your bootloader config for that kernel? |
| 02:14.39 | narg | bob2: Yea, Im using the 2.4 in non-free. |
| 02:14.44 | K_Dallas | Q2: I have not installed any DM and was wondering where I could learn more about living without a DM? Specially to run diff WM from the command line boot screen, thanks |
| 02:14.45 | sineer | stew Yes |
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| 02:15.38 | magyar | java plugin for mozilla? |
| 02:15.49 | stew | magyar: /topic |
| 02:16.11 | spdf | magyar, Is that a question? |
| 02:16.21 | dx11101 | okay someone sent me this huge PM and i have no idea what it means |
| 02:16.39 | Azar | dx is the bot giving you info |
| 02:16.46 | shingouz | dx11101: read it, it was dpkg, our resident infobot |
| 02:16.48 | magyar | spdf: yes, which pluggin would i use for mozilla browser? |
| 02:17.17 | spdf | magyar, What are your options? |
| 02:17.24 | kofj | After installed debian base system,i installed x-window-system-core & gnome-core ,but my desktop icon disappeared when I was on internet :(,and many apps can't be opened correctly :/ |
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| 02:17.41 | dx11101 | can someone link me to a place that shows me the non-free url so i can add it to my sources.list |
| 02:17.51 | dx11101 | i think thats my problem |
| 02:17.58 | xiaogil | Is it possible to force gedit to open a text file with a given charset ? |
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| 02:18.25 | magyar | spdf: i have no options, do i use sun java plugin or is there something eles? |
| 02:18.27 | narg | dx11101: Just add non-free to your sources line with main, etc on it. |
| 02:18.31 | stew | dx11101: editor /etc/apt/sources.list and change "main" to "main contrib non-free" |
| 02:18.37 | spdf | dx11101, for example, deb http://us.debian.org/debian/ main non-free contrib |
| 02:18.42 | stew | magyar: /msg dpkg java (as it says in the /topic) |
| 02:18.49 | Azar | dx11101: read this link to learn about nvidia http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 02:18.50 | sineer | shingouz all ext3 options are built in. I'm running all ext3 on this box. where's the initrd settings again? |
| 02:18.56 | dx11101 | thankyou |
| 02:19.14 | stew | sineer: did you compile in drivers for your disk controller? |
| 02:19.20 | shingouz | sineer: do you also have the ide/scsi/sata/whatever stuff you use there as static? |
| 02:19.20 | narg | dx11101: Nps. |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:19.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 02:19.31 | stew | dx11101: if you change that file, run apt-get update |
| 02:19.33 | sineer | shingouz yes, the via wait I'll list |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | stew: $EDITOR ? |
| 02:19.41 | stew | abrotman: /usr/bin/editor |
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| 02:19.50 | abrotman | ack .. |
| 02:19.54 | abrotman | mine goes to some vim crap |
| 02:20.01 | stew | abrotman: update-alternatives :) |
| 02:20.09 | abrotman | stew: oh god .. how . hepolpel me pelx |
| 02:20.10 | narg | change it to nano. Nano == best editor. |
| 02:20.38 | spdf | dpkg, start an editor war |
| 02:20.38 | dpkg | edlin is known to repel members of the opposite sex |
| 02:20.45 | abrotman | i prefer nina :) |
| 02:20.46 | stew | true dat |
| 02:20.47 | ro28 | vim != crap... ~ |
| 02:20.49 | dx11101 | yeah i know about apt-get update, it just refreshes your source list |
| 02:20.49 | ro28 | ! |
| 02:20.49 | sineer | err gneric/default ide chipset support ain't compiled.. but I have via82cxxx chipset support and that's what my board has |
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| 02:21.02 | mdh | that's not starting a war, that's a statement of fact! |
| 02:21.15 | sineer | do I need generic/default ide chipset ? |
| 02:21.20 | abrotman | how many members of the opposite sex know what edlin is |
| 02:21.20 | shingouz | abrotman: and nina is? |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | shingouz: a girl |
| 02:21.28 | sineer | io'll check the doc.. |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | shingouz: duh |
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| 02:21.44 | shingouz | sineer: you need the generic there too |
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| 02:21.45 | spdf | abrotman, Very few, but when they find out -you- know what it is.. *RUN( |
| 02:21.48 | stew | sineer: probably, and they must be compiled in (*) not as module (M) |
| 02:21.50 | shingouz | abrotman: :p |
| 02:21.54 | sineer | shingouzah |
| 02:22.02 | sineer | ah! I hope its that :) |
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| 02:22.28 | shingouz | sineer: check that you have the buses in there too. pci, isa, mca whathaveyou |
| 02:22.41 | d3s | hello, we're working on Local Debian Conference #2 in jakarta, any suggestion on how I can make this conf comply to 'debian rules' |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 02:23.02 | dpkg | hmm... dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 02:23.07 | shingouz | abrotman: lemme get this straight, you use a nina to edit your files? |
| 02:23.19 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:23.26 | abrotman | shingouz: she's obedient :) |
| 02:23.33 | shingouz | does she have root? |
| 02:23.34 | Azar | nina is a "girl" |
| 02:23.36 | sineer | shingouz cool I didn't have generic pci either I think.. I'll try that :) mayb I've unchecked that last time I tweaked things! |
| 02:23.40 | shingouz | syllable: do not msg me |
| 02:24.04 | syllable | exuse me shingouz... |
| 02:24.05 | abrotman | shingouz: no way ... |
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| 02:24.18 | ro28 | d3s: Jakarta, as in, Jakarta di Java ? |
| 02:24.25 | JeffH_ | If I type 'telnet <server> 22' or 'telnet <server> 873' should I get a connect message or at least something to say whether something is listening? |
| 02:24.31 | shingouz | abrotman: oh.. that means you have to hold her hand when she edits the files... i think i see... |
| 02:24.43 | abrotman | shingouz: no .. capable of using a keyboard |
| 02:24.49 | abrotman | sudo is great! |
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| 02:25.19 | dx11101 | okay i added contrib and non-free and did a apt-get update, what do i need to install nvidia drivers? |
| 02:25.22 | narg | JeffH_: If your trying to telnet into something thats not telnet, in general, you'll get garbage. |
| 02:25.25 | Azar | abrotman, why when I tried sudo command did not worked (even though I had it installed) but su worked instead? |
| 02:25.27 | abrotman | shingouz: dongle |
| 02:25.28 | spdf | shingouz, Subtle :) |
| 02:25.38 | narg | Jeffh_: But the garbage tells you theres something there :) |
| 02:25.40 | shingouz | dx11101: read what the bot told you, it is all there |
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| 02:25.51 | d3s | Jakarta in Java in Indonesia |
| 02:25.52 | dx11101 | copy and paste shingouz? |
| 02:25.53 | shingouz | spdf: i am subtle as a sledgehammer |
| 02:25.53 | magyar | stew: thanks for your help |
| 02:26.02 | shingouz | dx11101: what? |
| 02:26.02 | d3s | whois ro28 |
| 02:26.05 | dx11101 | this part |
| 02:26.07 | Azar | dx11101 I gave you the link earlier |
| 02:26.11 | JeffH_ | narg: yeah.. I just want to find out if the server I setup is listening.. it appears to not be. |
| 02:26.22 | Azar | dx11101 you have to read it otherwise you will not know |
| 02:26.27 | dx11101 | apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:26.29 | narg | JeffH_: nods. |
| 02:26.34 | dx11101 | put that in the console? |
| 02:26.51 | spdf | dx11101, Yeh, make sure its all -one line- |
| 02:26.55 | shingouz | $DEITY save me |
| 02:27.11 | Azar | what sudo has that su does not? |
| 02:27.17 | dx11101 | do i need to exit xserver? |
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| 02:27.22 | dx11101 | or can i be in KDE? |
| 02:27.23 | stew | unset DEITY |
| 02:27.32 | abrotman | atheist! |
| 02:27.42 | stew | yup |
| 02:27.57 | abrotman | muddy .. mudskipper .. he's muddy .. mudskipper! |
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| 02:28.11 | spdf | Azar, is the user defined in /etc/sudoers? |
| 02:28.17 | stew | actually the mudskipper is dead |
| 02:28.22 | Azar | spdf, no |
| 02:28.23 | stew | i need to update my rdns |
| 02:28.25 | abrotman | stew: in the show ? |
| 02:28.30 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:28.31 | spdf | Azar, So, Shouldn't they be? |
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| 02:28.48 | JeffH_ | SWEET! |
| 02:28.50 | spdf | Azar, visudo is the command you use to edit /etc/sudoers |
| 02:28.53 | Azar | spdf I did not know the user has to be added to that group |
| 02:28.53 | abrotman | DUDE! |
| 02:28.55 | Azar | thanks |
| 02:29.00 | spdf | YOU'RE GETTING A DELL! |
| 02:29.05 | BigBlockO | anyone in here good with Exim? |
| 02:29.25 | shingouz | just ask.... you should know already BigBlockO |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | spdf: you messed up |
| 02:29.37 | BigBlockO | i've sucessfully set up exim with IMAP, but i can't get SMTP to work |
| 02:29.41 | spdf | abrotman, Uh oh. |
| 02:29.56 | BigBlockO | so i can recieve mail, but not send it using my server |
| 02:30.06 | spdf | BigBlockO, "Relay denied"? |
| 02:30.11 | BigBlockO | yea |
| 02:30.20 | spdf | BigBlockO, Tsk Tsk. Its cause you touch yourself at night. |
| 02:30.30 | floppyears | hi |
| 02:30.32 | Azar | K_Dallas I prefer to setup and configure the base first: drivers, kernel, Xserver -- before installing decorations , gadgets and players |
| 02:30.32 | floppyears | is there any reason to run 1.3 vs 2.0 apache ? |
| 02:30.32 | JeffH_ | that's odd.. I'm being asked for my root password for my windows machine. |
| 02:30.36 | BigBlockO | meaining what? |
| 02:31.10 | patterson | how screwed up would i belearning python from version 1.0 docs? |
| 02:31.14 | BigBlockO | spdf: how do i fix it? |
| 02:31.23 | simonrvn | bigbill52a: exim doesn't do IMAP |
| 02:31.31 | simonrvn | bigbill52a: ENICKTABCOML |
| 02:31.32 | patterson | or whats a swell doc for 2.03 differences |
| 02:31.33 | K_Dallas | Azar, my last experience is that installing fonts at the same time as the base stuff brings better consolidation than installing them afterwards |
| 02:31.42 | simonrvn | BigBlockO: exim doesn't do IMAP |
| 02:31.45 | dx11101 | what does modprobe nvidia do? |
| 02:31.53 | simonrvn | man modprobe |
| 02:31.57 | K_Dallas | Azar, this is the first time that i have managed to browse non-latin pages flawlessly! |
| 02:31.58 | BigBlockO | i know, i'm using some software which interfaces with exim |
| 02:32.02 | BigBlockO | i forget which |
| 02:32.12 | Azar | K_Dallas if you got the greatest and latest base yes, but if you intend to add drivers or upgrade kernel "after" installing fonts.. your treat |
| 02:32.27 | BigBlockO | but right now i'm concerned with getting SMTP to work |
| 02:32.28 | shingouz | simonrvn: i am a bit afraid to ask but what does that big fancy acronym mean? |
| 02:32.32 | simonrvn | i suggest tou get to know what it is |
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| 02:32.38 | patterson | the beauty ofalibris |
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| 02:33.11 | syllable | so i fixed my screen resolution, i set it for 1280x1024, when i restarted x, my resolution was at 1360x786 and 1280x1024 was not an option, i used knoppix once yesterday and i know my monitor is capable of 1280x1024, any ideas? |
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| 02:33.13 | Azar | install base, build support then put the roof on the house |
| 02:33.14 | simonrvn | shingouz: error nick tab completion. i typoed it slightly, should be ENICKTABCOMPL or such ;p |
| 02:33.21 | shingouz | ok |
| 02:33.25 | patterson | 2.00$ books that are prisitine copies of ver 1.0 |
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| 02:33.39 | JeffH_ | wonder what cygwin thinks my root password is. |
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| 02:33.54 | patterson | admin "abc123" |
| 02:33.56 | raf256 | JeffH_: try empty perhaps |
| 02:34.12 | patterson | joking |
| 02:34.17 | JeffH_ | raf: didn't work. |
| 02:34.20 | unixfool_ | I've got a package in the cache (ie apt-cache show foo works) but the package isnt on the server anymore, how do I purge the cache? (apt-get clean, autoclean don't do the trick) |
| 02:34.21 | Azar | K_Dallas, out of curiosity, do you have configured your firewall yet? |
| 02:34.30 | dx11101 | ok i hit enter...i think its working |
| 02:34.31 | raf256 | JeffH_: "ilikelittleboys" |
| 02:34.33 | spdf | syllable, Remove all other resolutions from your X config.. |
| 02:35.01 | dx11101 | after doing what the bot told me, do i need to change xf86Config-4? |
| 02:35.02 | raf256 | ;) |
| 02:35.04 | syllable | spdf:i did, all i had was 1280x1024 |
| 02:35.09 | stew | syllable: copy the xf86config-4 from knoppix |
| 02:35.25 | syllable | stew: can that work? |
| 02:35.31 | BigBlockO | spdf: what shold i do to fix SMTP? |
| 02:35.31 | stew | syllable: or read the x log and figure out what it doesn't like yours |
| 02:35.33 | stew | syllable: yes |
| 02:35.37 | bd_ | unixfool_: apt-get update should do it, unless the server's indices are out of date |
| 02:35.42 | shingouz | dx11101: for some reason i get the feeling that you did not read the oneliner |
| 02:35.43 | syllable | thanks |
| 02:35.53 | JeffH_ | raf256: how about 'Iamnotmichaeljackson' |
| 02:35.56 | douglas | on a new install, would i want to put my swap at the beginning or end? (i guess beginning meaning closer to the inside of the platter) |
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| 02:36.16 | raf256 | JeffH_: "Iminnicent" |
| 02:36.22 | unixfool_ | bd_, only if i remove the server from the sources.list, then add it back |
| 02:36.34 | dx11101 | okay i did the one-liner and saw this in the console |
| 02:36.38 | unixfool_ | bd_, if I leave it as is, i can run apt-get update all day and the package remains in the cache |
| 02:36.50 | dx11101 | I: Direct installation failed, trying to post-install the dependencies |
| 02:36.56 | dx11101 | is that bad? |
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| 02:37.11 | unixfool_ | bd_, rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists does the trick, but thats ... aggressive |
| 02:37.34 | spdf | apt likes it rough. |
| 02:37.35 | apt | ACTION runs and gives it rough. a big bear-hug. |
| 02:37.43 | trave11er | unixfool_: apt-cache show all _available_ packages, whether they are installed or not |
| 02:37.48 | spdf | lol, didn't know about that one.. |
| 02:37.53 | spdf | apt spdf likes it rough |
| 02:37.57 | Azar | dx11101 you should read the tutorial to understand what you are doing, not wait for shingouz to tell you when to press enter or not |
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| 02:38.07 | Azar | dx11101: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt << read it |
| 02:38.19 | dx11101 | on it |
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| 02:39.12 | dx11101 | no nvidia drivers for sarge? |
| 02:39.17 | dx11101 | i think that link is old |
| 02:39.26 | dx11101 | ive seen it before |
| 02:39.27 | Guerin | !nvidia one liner |
| 02:39.27 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:39.28 | Azar | it is not old |
| 02:39.35 | unixfool_ | traveller, but it isnt available anymore |
| 02:39.52 | Azar | gives instructions for both woody users and sarge users |
| 02:39.58 | unixfool_ | trave11er, it just still _thinks_ it is |
| 02:40.08 | dx11101 | okay well i did the one-liner |
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| 02:40.14 | trave11er | unixfool_: why do you thinkg it's not available? |
| 02:40.17 | dx11101 | and it did a bunch of crap |
| 02:40.29 | unixfool_ | trave11er, its not on the server anymore |
| 02:40.31 | Azar | well then explain what you did |
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| 02:40.37 | unixfool_ | or in the Packages or Packages.gz on the server |
| 02:40.40 | Guerin | dx11101: did it error? |
| 02:40.45 | trave11er | unixfool_: on which server? the package mirror? |
| 02:40.45 | dx11101 | YES |
| 02:40.55 | dx11101 | I: Direct installation failed, trying to post-install the dependencies |
| 02:41.03 | trave11er | unixfool_: ah, then apt-get update should update it |
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| 02:41.18 | unixfool_ | trave11er, agreed, unforutunately it doesnt |
| 02:41.32 | trave11er | unixfool_: example? |
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| 02:41.56 | trave11er | unixfool_: do you run apt-get update, then try to install a package and it fails? |
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| 02:42.03 | stouset | Woot, svn 2.0 |
| 02:42.03 | dx11101 | Package nvidia-kernel-common is not installed. |
| 02:42.03 | dx11101 | dpkg: error processing nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-k7 (--install): |
| 02:42.03 | dx11101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.03 | dx11101 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:42.03 | dx11101 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:42.06 | stouset | er, 1.2.0 |
| 02:42.12 | unixfool_ | trave11er, yeah |
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| 02:42.48 | trave11er | unixfool_: what package, what mirror? |
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| 02:42.56 | unixfool_ | trave11er, htough "rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists && mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial && apt-get update" works |
| 02:43.04 | unixfool_ | trave11er, not a public server |
| 02:43.26 | trave11er | unixfool_: screwing around manually with stugg in /var/lib/apt is not such a good idea |
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| 02:43.42 | Claudy | hai |
| 02:43.43 | unixfool_ | trave11er, I don't want to, but theres no other way to clear the cache evidently |
| 02:43.57 | dx11101 | sorry about the flood it was an accident |
| 02:44.50 | Guerin | !find nvidia-common sarge |
| 02:45.01 | trave11er | unixfool_: i have never seen anything like this, if you can reliably reproduce it and make a test case, than it is worth submitting |
| 02:45.10 | trave11er | s/than/then/ |
| 02:45.18 | dx11101 | okay i think what happened is i didnt have nvidia-kernal-common and it needed it |
| 02:45.19 | unixfool_ | trave11er, yeah, I probably should |
| 02:45.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'nvidia-common' returned no results. |
| 02:45.33 | Guerin | !find nvidia-kernel-common sarge |
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| 02:45.35 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 02:45.47 | dx11101 | do i need to go back and fix something now? |
| 02:45.52 | Guerin | dx11101: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common |
| 02:45.56 | brand | alguem aki fala portugues? |
| 02:46.07 | stew | !portugues |
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| 02:46.10 | dx11101 | the one-liner did, but after the error |
| 02:46.12 | stew | !br |
| 02:46.12 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 02:46.33 | Guerin | dx11101: run apt-get -f install |
| 02:46.40 | dx11101 | what does that do? |
| 02:46.46 | Guerin | it fixes shit |
| 02:46.54 | brand | obrigado pela dica. fui! |
| 02:46.56 | Azar | dx11101 after I installed kernel 2.6.8 I got better support for nvidia, just an opinion here |
| 02:47.01 | shingouz | descriptive.. :) |
| 02:47.32 | dx11101 | i think im using 2.4 |
| 02:47.36 | dx11101 | stock |
| 02:48.09 | stew | dx11101: what does uname -r say? |
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| 02:48.24 | dx11101 | okay i found a problem |
| 02:48.30 | dx11101 | a typo in my one-liner :D |
| 02:49.37 | JeffH_ | Is there anyway to tell rsync to not ask for a root password? |
| 02:49.53 | dx11101 | okay now im at a window that looks like what i had when i first installed |
| 02:49.57 | dx11101 | its on vesa |
| 02:50.11 | dx11101 | ahhhh |
| 02:50.16 | dx11101 | now theres and nvidia |
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| 02:50.33 | dx11101 | the first time i installed i used nv and xserver wouldnt load |
| 02:50.59 | dx11101 | so i should use nvidia right? |
| 02:51.24 | shingouz | take a wild guess |
| 02:51.38 | dx11101 | just making sure its not nv |
| 02:51.46 | JeffH_ | anyone know where I can find the cygwin 'mkpasswd' program?? |
| 02:51.46 | dx11101 | what is nv btw? |
| 02:52.02 | stew | dx11101: the free driver with no 3d support |
| 02:52.09 | trave11er | JeffH_: it is not such a good idea, but if you must, configure a paswordless ssh login for root, and use rsync -e ssh |
| 02:52.15 | trave11er | or something |
| 02:52.19 | syllable | is there anyway to find out the HorizSync and VertRefresh for a monitor since the manual doesnt mention what they would be? |
| 02:52.20 | dx11101 | does it matter what i name my identifier? |
| 02:52.35 | shingouz | syllable: google is a good option |
| 02:52.36 | Raven | check the back of the monitor? |
| 02:52.39 | trave11er | syllable: www.monitorworld.com |
| 02:52.45 | Raven | google works too :P |
| 02:52.50 | syllable | ive been searching |
| 02:52.55 | syllable | no avail |
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| 02:53.02 | syllable | ill try what you suggested tho, thanks |
| 02:53.04 | markybob | syllable, which monitor? |
| 02:53.13 | syllable | what model/make? |
| 02:53.20 | stew | trave11er: unless you have gone out of your way to install rsh, -e ssh isn't necessary (since rsh points to ssh in debian) |
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| 02:53.21 | markybob | that's what i mean, yes |
| 02:53.24 | shingouz | syllable: usually some variation of the name or the model or type number |
| 02:53.42 | dx11101 | ohhh crap |
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| 02:53.49 | dx11101 | whats my bus identifier |
| 02:54.05 | nvz | dx11101: do you have more than one card? |
| 02:54.08 | dx11101 | no |
| 02:54.09 | stew | dx11101: unless you are on mac hardware or something leave it blank |
| 02:54.14 | nvz | dx11101: leave it blank |
| 02:54.14 | dx11101 | thanks |
| 02:54.16 | dx11101 | nm then |
| 02:54.16 | syllable | not sure, its new and doesnt say a brand on it |
| 02:54.24 | trave11er | stew: you mean rsync will tunnel through ssh by default? |
| 02:54.29 | stew | trave11er: yes |
| 02:54.35 | markybob | syllable, it doesnt give a model on the manual? i dont believe you |
| 02:54.39 | trave11er | stew: ah, ok. didn't know that |
| 02:54.47 | stew | trave11er: it uses rsh by default, and rsh points into /etc/alternatives and points to ssh by default |
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| 02:54.49 | syllable | ha, why the hell would i lie about it |
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| 02:54.53 | dx11101 | woah |
| 02:54.58 | syllable | the manual is a cd |
| 02:55.01 | syllable | no paper |
| 02:55.01 | markybob | syllable, cuz you're too lazy to look hard enough |
| 02:55.03 | dx11101 | it wants to know the ammount of video ram |
| 02:55.07 | dx11101 | my card has 128MB |
| 02:55.08 | shingouz | syllable: so? |
| 02:55.22 | dx11101 | but i think its talking about system RAM |
| 02:55.34 | shingouz | dx11101: then tell that you have 128M or ram on it. and system ram does not matter |
| 02:55.38 | syllable | its pdfs in different languages that just mention care and how to use it |
| 02:55.57 | dx11101 | so i should leave it blank? |
| 02:56.02 | shingouz | syllable: doesn't the monitor have any labels or stickers on it? |
| 02:56.06 | markybob | dx11101, you can |
| 02:56.41 | syllable | honestly, no, i just flipped it around and checked |
| 02:56.44 | syllable | ill look for the box |
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| 02:57.07 | trave11er | syllable: it's probably an illegal monitor |
| 02:57.25 | dx11101 | ahh crap |
| 02:57.26 | shingouz | syllable: if the monitor has that much information on it, take it back to the seller and get your money back |
| 02:57.34 | dx11101 | this is the entire debian setup its making be do |
| 02:57.43 | dx11101 | i hated this in woody |
| 02:57.44 | syllable | it was a gift from a cousin |
| 02:57.51 | syllable | but who knows where he got it... |
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| 02:58.12 | shingouz | dx11101: it is not the whole setup |
| 02:58.12 | Sess | damn, Im in the middle of a sarge net instal |
| 02:58.30 | trave11er | syllable: you didn't have to wipe any blood from it, did you? |
| 02:58.32 | dx11101 | shingouz: its asking me about keybourd, mouse and moniter crap now |
| 02:58.36 | syllable | haha, luckily no |
| 02:58.57 | Sess | my 2nd 3rd and 4rth mirrors are much faster than my primary mirror, is there any way to have it iuse all 4 mirrors or switch teh primary mirror without stopping teh install? |
| 02:58.58 | shingouz | dx11101: so? doesnt it have somethign on them already? if it has, just hit enter on what you do not want to change |
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| 02:59.15 | Sess | I've already dl'ed about 1/3rd of the initial 800m of packages |
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| 03:00.17 | dx11101 | hmm ok i think it finished |
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| 03:00.20 | dx11101 | should i reboot? |
| 03:00.31 | markybob | why would you? |
| 03:00.32 | Sess | well? |
| 03:00.52 | toresbe | Anyone here have any experience with Norsk Data hardware or SINTRAN? |
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| 03:01.41 | pajama | hi, I installed 3.1, then a 2.6 kernel... should I install discover, instead of using discover1_ |
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| 03:02.33 | dx11101 | how do you change resolution in KDE? |
| 03:02.53 | Sess | did you configure your X server with multiple resolutions/ |
| 03:02.54 | Sess | ? |
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| 03:03.11 | dx11101 | well im stuck in 800x600 and id like to not be :D |
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| 03:03.39 | douglas | goddamnit my businesscard iso install keeps freezing at 59% of the base system download |
| 03:03.48 | markybob | dx11101, seriously, man, go do your own work. http://www.kde.org/documentation/userguide/ |
| 03:03.50 | BrutusLinux | what are the locations for where www and mysql? |
| 03:03.53 | douglas | with different mirrors |
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| 03:03.57 | shingouz | dx11101: did you pick the correct resolutions when you did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 03:04.02 | pajama | anybody? |
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| 03:04.23 | BrutusLinux | what are the locations for where www and mysql? |
| 03:04.23 | dx11101 | yeah when i first install i set it to 1280x1024 but it was 800x600 anyways |
| 03:04.31 | sineer | shingouz no luck sofar with this new kernel with generic ide built in :( |
| 03:04.33 | markybob | pajama, if it already detected all your hardware, you dont have to. if you want to, go for it |
| 03:04.52 | markybob | pajama, might help for some hardware you add in the future, so you might as well. no harm done |
| 03:04.53 | shingouz | dx11101: when you first installed yes. did you do it just a few minutes ago when you did the reconfig? |
| 03:04.55 | sineer | I'm wondering, for yet another box, what kernel run reiser 3.6 flawlessly? any? |
| 03:05.08 | Sess | dx11101: check out the XFree86 Configuration howto |
| 03:05.18 | dx11101 | a few minutes ago i set it to 1280 again |
| 03:05.18 | Sess | real easy to fix x configs |
| 03:05.20 | markybob | sineer, reiserfs flawlessly? :-) heh |
| 03:05.22 | pajama | markybob, thanks |
| 03:05.27 | alvanson | What would be the equivalent for addressbooks of IMAP for e-mail? |
| 03:05.31 | sineer | markybob I see :( |
| 03:05.31 | markybob | sineer, being serious, though, you best bet if the newest one available for that distro |
| 03:05.32 | cinix | when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it doesn't change /etc/x11/xf86config-4, what's up with that? |
| 03:05.39 | shingouz | Sess, dx11101: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 03:05.50 | markybob | cinix, you tried to edit XF86config-4 by hand earlier |
| 03:05.50 | shingouz | cinix: have you edited the file? |
| 03:05.56 | markybob | cinix, and changed the md5sum |
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| 03:06.07 | markybob | !xmd5 |
| 03:06.07 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 03:06.19 | sineer | markybob screw reiserfs then, I'll use ext3, although I can see reiserfs might be a killer system for building large soft like Xorg :) |
| 03:06.36 | sineer | but it crash heh :( |
| 03:06.42 | dx11101 | thanks for all of your help |
| 03:06.54 | cinix | hah |
| 03:06.55 | markybob | sineer, if it's an important system, i'd stick with ext3. if it's a personal system that you want better performance on but the occasional problem doesnt really matter, pick reiserfs |
| 03:07.11 | markybob | sineer, and always, of course, have backups. |
| 03:07.45 | sineer | markybob its my devbox and I always play with unstable software... no need to add unstable fs to that crazy haze |
| 03:07.46 | cinix | ty |
| 03:07.56 | markybob | cinix, np |
| 03:07.58 | markybob | sineer, heh |
| 03:07.58 | alvanson | or is there something 'easier' than LDAP to set up? |
| 03:08.08 | markybob | see ya |
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| 03:11.11 | ethics | ins't reiserFS tooless? ie it crashes just format? |
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| 03:11.55 | sineer | I seemed to have an unrecorverable error |
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| 03:12.27 | sineer | like, everytime I wanted to delete my xc-build dir it crashed big time |
| 03:12.36 | pajama | would you recommend Xen for a production server? for security |
| 03:12.53 | sineer | I have no idea what Xen is |
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| 03:12.56 | witless | i have a directory full of VOB files and stuff from dvd that i ripped using dvdrip. how can i create a duplicate dvd from this? |
| 03:13.19 | pajama | and to install a fresh distro whenever I want to, instead of paying my colocated ISP to do it for me... |
| 03:13.28 | sineer | witless DVD Shrink |
| 03:13.38 | pajama | sineer, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ |
| 03:14.07 | witless | sineer: ? i don't see it in the archives. does it create a duplicate, or transcode to another format? |
| 03:14.07 | jasoncohen | fuser /dev/mapper/bigvideo-1 shows nothing but umount /dev/mapper/bigvideo-1 shows it's being used. what do i do? |
| 03:14.13 | jasoncohen | i want to unmount it so i can expand it |
| 03:14.23 | witless | s/archives/repository/ |
| 03:14.33 | sineer | pajama sounds cool :) I'm a big vmware user |
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| 03:15.13 | ugly | witless: for making dvd copies, use lxdvdrip - http://lxdvdrip.sf.net |
| 03:15.14 | acf__ | is lvm not built into the 2.6.8-2-686-smp kernel? |
| 03:15.27 | witless | ugly: i no longer have the dvd |
| 03:15.29 | sineer | pajama this shit will do miracles on multi core next gen cpus mayb :) I secretly wish they make something similar for FreeBSD :) |
| 03:15.38 | witless | itself - just the vob files |
| 03:15.44 | ugly | have fun |
| 03:15.47 | witless | (and stuff) |
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| 03:17.50 | pajama | sineer, they support FreeBSD |
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| 03:19.34 | dx11101 | wanted to come back to thank you all for helping me get nvidia to work |
| 03:19.47 | dx11101 | resolution and white splash screen all good |
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| 03:20.08 | sineer | pajama yeah I'm reading it! I can't believe it, only a few days ago I was thinking about that :) |
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| 03:20.21 | ugly | would be nice if nvidia fixed the bugs in their drivers that cause frequent crashes |
| 03:20.41 | sineer | saying to myself, man I hope someone else thought about it and I can't wait for it to be out and open source! WOOHOO CAMBRIDGE! |
| 03:20.41 | ugly | have to use some ghetto matrox card until then |
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| 03:23.12 | jstevens | getting an internal error saying it caufht an unexpected exception |
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| 03:27.01 | kamaraju | Can anyone ballpark how much bandwidth is consumed by #debian for 1 month? roughtly how many gigs? |
| 03:27.09 | gullyfoyle | how do i auto-IDENTIFY when i log on with xchat? w/out typing /msg NickServ bla-bla-bla |
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| 03:27.37 | dondelelcaro | kamaraju: no where near that many |
| 03:27.41 | K_Dallas | gullyfoyle, go to server edit for freenode and enter your password in the appropraite box |
| 03:27.52 | punsad | yo wass up! just upgraded to sarge over the weekend... feels great to join the 21st century |
| 03:27.56 | xam | gullyfoyle: how do you know my password? ;) |
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| 03:28.09 | xam | gullyfoyle: . |
| 03:28.13 | ethics | ugly: i dont think the nvidia stuff in debian is upto date so the driver may be fixed....i think im on 7192 or something but its at 76XX something nowadays.... |
| 03:28.21 | xam | gullyfoyle: /msg nickserv help access |
| 03:29.18 | kamaraju | dondelelcaro: so you think it is more of the order of mega bytes than giga bytes? If so, roughly how much? 500 Mb? |
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| 03:29.38 | gullyfoyle | xam: thanks, i didnt see that |
| 03:30.00 | ethics | kamaraju: id be expecting MB...and compressable into a GZ file so itll shrink by a long way..plain text etc |
| 03:30.12 | mwilson | ethics: The current version of the nvidia driver is 7664, Sid is at 7174. |
| 03:30.41 | mwilson | ethics: 7664 was only released June 1st, I wouldn't say it's odd that Sid doesn't have it yet. |
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| 03:31.11 | s0n1 | hi |
| 03:31.11 | witless | dondelelcaro: you misspelled "achieve" on your resume |
| 03:31.18 | dondelelcaro | !spelling ability |
| 03:31.18 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is completely incapable of spelling. However, his grammar be impeccable. |
| 03:31.24 | witless | hahaha |
| 03:31.25 | s0n1 | i need courier-imap support authlib |
| 03:31.29 | kamaraju | ethics: I asked that question because, my ISP restricts my bandwidth. If I go over the limit, they will be charging ridiculous amounts of money. That is why I wanted to know how much bandwidth I will be consuming. |
| 03:31.37 | s0n1 | i search in debian? or i need compile source ? |
| 03:31.47 | witless | ok, well, your resume is persistent |
| 03:31.56 | gullyfoyle | limited bandwidth has gotta suck |
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| 03:32.06 | dondelelcaro | kamaraju: 26M for last month |
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| 03:32.25 | kamaraju | gullfoyle: it does suck. I cannot download movies :-) |
| 03:32.28 | dondelelcaro | $ du -ch debian-2005-05-*|grep total -> 26M total |
| 03:32.28 | simonrvn | mine varies bet. 3 and 5 GB a month |
| 03:32.32 | gullyfoyle | makes for interesting dilemmas. porn? or work? or isos? hmmm |
| 03:32.39 | simonrvn | mostly going out |
| 03:32.46 | JeffH | I'm running cygwin's rsync as a service on winxp and it is hung up.. anyone know how to fix that? |
| 03:33.03 | ethics | mwilson: possibly but i know there were versions in between US & current which were around for weeks/months that never got merged....not that it matters |
| 03:33.14 | binarydigit | JeffH: look at the channel you are in |
| 03:33.14 | kamaraju | dondelcaro: thanks. Then I think 100M is a safe bet. (factor of safety of 4)! |
| 03:33.20 | Xenguy | . o O (he's kidding right? ) |
| 03:33.30 | simonrvn | my isp tells me in the monthly invoice how much we used. which i find rather nice |
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| 03:33.40 | JeffH | binarydigit: I know good and well what channel I'm in. I'm sure debian folks use cygwin. |
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| 03:33.50 | nene | hi.. |
| 03:33.50 | nene | hi juga |
| 03:33.55 | binarydigit | what on earth would make you join a debian channel and ask a question about cygwin on winxp |
| 03:33.55 | simonrvn | there's a cygwin chan |
| 03:34.04 | mwilson | ethics: There's no reason for Debian to do anything with unofficial beta versions that may be lurking about... people whine enough about the released ones. |
| 03:34.07 | JeffH | a dead cygwin channel. |
| 03:34.21 | s0n1 | someone knows a courier-imap for support a authlib heRE???? |
| 03:34.25 | binarydigit | im sure debian people drive a ford but i dont ask them how to install a new intake in the channel |
| 03:34.29 | Gfault | cya |
| 03:34.34 | simonrvn | !someone knows |
| 03:34.54 | s0n1 | simonrvn : very funny |
| 03:35.06 | simonrvn | plonk |
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| 03:35.18 | ugly | ethics: no, the driver in Debian is only one version behind |
| 03:35.18 | xam | binarydigit: why would someone want to install a new intake in the channel anyway |
| 03:35.18 | witless | s0n1: /j #courier |
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| 03:35.48 | ethics | mwilson http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=c653fd8de4e509bb13bc4b109366ffd5&t=51392 ?? |
| 03:35.49 | ugly | ethics: the problem I have has been around for at least a year - http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31858&page=1&pp=15 |
| 03:36.41 | ethics | ugly i beg to differ i can see 4 versions higher than debs.. |
| 03:37.09 | bucky | if debian developers were to write an nvidia driver.... it would work right |
| 03:37.16 | gullyfoyle | i never thought i'd say this but gnome is alright |
| 03:37.24 | gullyfoyle | i used to hate it |
| 03:37.28 | ugly | ethics: uh? sarge? |
| 03:37.36 | mwilson | ethics: What is that URL supposed to show me? |
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| 03:37.39 | simonrvn | 2.10 is an improvement |
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| 03:38.02 | ethics | mwilson,ugly: ahh thats why id say driver for "legacy" GPU's (like my Riva TNT2) are no longer in the package |
| 03:38.03 | ugly | ethics: sarge has 7174 - http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_archive.html |
| 03:38.03 | mwilson | ethics: I'm really not up to reading through the usual nvnews stupidity to see whatever it is. |
| 03:38.15 | mwilson | ethics: Funny, didn't I say that some time ago? |
| 03:38.34 | ethics | mwilson: ahh just if you wanted more info on whats different in the new driver.... |
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| 03:38.45 | ethics | mwilsonjust for reference if you were looking 8) |
| 03:38.53 | mwilson | ethics: I certainly wouldn't go to nvnews to find that... I actually know how to read. |
| 03:38.54 | simonrvn | tnt2 not supported anymore? feck |
| 03:38.56 | ugly | yea I have an integrated GeForce4 MX I'd like to use |
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| 03:39.09 | maalox | Does anyone know if nvidiafb actually works? |
| 03:39.22 | mwilson | ethics: nvnews is like linuxquestions.org... very high stupidity quotient. |
| 03:39.23 | wols_ | where would I go to check if (and why) a package has been removed from debian? |
| 03:39.43 | ethics | mwilson: apprently you did but in pink so i didnt read it hehe |
| 03:39.52 | ethics | wols_ look harder.. |
| 03:40.03 | ugly | mwilson is pretty in pink |
| 03:40.08 | ethics | wols_: mythtv.org....... |
| 03:40.14 | mwilson | ugly: I have no idea why he thinks there are four versions after the one he has. |
| 03:40.25 | bucky | ethics, so what did that have to do with your problem? |
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| 03:40.35 | ugly | mwilson: well it's an ugly versioning scheme, but whatever :P |
| 03:40.49 | mwilson | ugly: Stable, testing, and unstable all have v7174, which is one rev back from current. |
| 03:40.58 | wols_ | ethics: no. debian has some document/page where it displays all removed packages. |
| 03:41.05 | wols_ | I had it once, but lost the URL |
| 03:41.06 | kamaraju | Can anyone recommend a software to read the irc logs? vim is not very ey catchy to read the logs. Some other editor may be? |
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| 03:41.17 | kamaraju | s/ey/eye |
| 03:41.18 | Belboz | Hey all |
| 03:41.19 | simonrvn | a pager... |
| 03:41.25 | Epod69 | hey, i got the following error when starting my newly configured kernel: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,4), btw, how to i figure out what block(3,4) is ? |
| 03:41.33 | Belboz | this may sound stupid, but how do you make on Debian? |
| 03:41.38 | ethics | mwilson ugly: they look like beta versions and real...this is just under a n3dt link...im finding info about them now |
| 03:41.55 | mwilson | ethics: Only the morons worry about the betas. |
| 03:42.15 | ugly | there are beta nvidia drivers? where? :P |
| 03:42.25 | ugly | I will watch the changelogs obsessively for a fix! |
| 03:42.29 | bucky | Belboz, apt-get install build-essential to get the tools |
| 03:42.31 | ethics | mwilson: yeah i just looked at numbers first up ...research involves removing beta options ... |
| 03:42.32 | mwilson | ugly: Oh, there always are. |
| 03:42.47 | Belboz | thanks bucky |
| 03:42.55 | Belboz | bucky, why weren't those included? |
| 03:42.57 | wols_ | Epod69: you trying to boot from /dev/hdd? |
| 03:43.02 | mwilson | ethics: No, research involves actually looking at the official drivers page. |
| 03:43.10 | kamaraju | belboz: included where? |
| 03:43.13 | bucky | Belboz, debian tries to keep the install small |
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| 03:43.14 | mwilson | ethics: Not what some idiot might have posted on nvnews. |
| 03:43.19 | ethics | wols_ mythtv isnt in debian...its 3rd party repository and most go from source |
| 03:43.26 | wols_ | Epod69: and the problem is not from what you try to boot, but how you borked your kernel config |
| 03:43.36 | Epod69 | wols_, im booting from /dev/hda2 |
| 03:43.38 | Belboz | yeah, but 48KB? |
| 03:43.38 | mwilson | mythtv has never been in Debian. |
| 03:43.40 | ugly | ahh nzone.com |
| 03:43.42 | mwilson | Who said it was? |
| 03:43.48 | wols_ | ethics: IIRC I installed myth from a sid repository once |
| 03:43.57 | Belboz | would have saved me a lot of frustration for 48KB |
| 03:44.04 | mwilson | wols_: No, you installed it from an unofficial archive. |
| 03:44.27 | mwilson | The mythtv page used to give a couple. |
| 03:44.28 | ethics | mwilson: wols_ yeah but unstable is wild with changes as is etch......if your on sarge you wouldnt use unstable anymore... |
| 03:44.35 | bucky | Belboz, some people in the world are still on dial up |
| 03:44.41 | ethics | mwilson: bah miskey |
| 03:44.49 | mwilson | ethics: You realize that statement made absolutely zero sense. |
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| 03:45.05 | maalox | How does I create a framebuffer device? I already have the modules, but when I load them, no /dev/fb0 or /dev/fb/0 exists |
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| 03:45.30 | wols_ | mwilson: you're right. overlooked that sources.list line :( |
| 03:45.51 | Epod69 | wols_, i was getting unknown-block(0,0) for a while and after editing the IDE section more, i am now getting the unknown-block(3,4)...how do i figure out what (3,4) is? |
| 03:45.59 | mwilson | ethics: But no, I have no intention of ever using Sarge for anything. |
| 03:46.37 | wols_ | Epod69: it doesn't matter what it is. check your IDE stuff and filesystem stuff. if both are in order and you give the kernel a "root=/dev/hda2" line, all is well |
| 03:46.38 | Belboz | Hey, I'm still getting an error when trying to make |
| 03:46.43 | wols_ | if not: -> BOOM |
| 03:46.49 | ethics | wols_: debian wont host them because of legal stuff i think....similar to mplayer issues as myth uses mplayer as default |
| 03:46.54 | DoppelGanger | Belboz: make what love? |
| 03:46.57 | DoppelGanger | he he |
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| 03:47.05 | Belboz | *** No targets specified and no makefile fount. Stop |
| 03:47.10 | ethics | wols_ as i said most rebuilt from source on the last version change....18 |
| 03:47.18 | exobyte | I want to set up a iptables rule to do forward all port 80 requests (it's a gateway) to itself |
| 03:47.20 | wols_ | ethics: probably also since it's very x86 centric |
| 03:47.24 | trave11er | maalox: something like cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV fb perhaps? |
| 03:47.29 | mwilson | ethics: Debian won't host mythtv because no maintainer wants to, well, maintain it. I don't know of any technologies it uses that're a problem. |
| 03:47.31 | bucky | Belboz, did you do a ./configure first ? |
| 03:47.40 | Belboz | bucky, yes |
| 03:47.43 | MrKeuner | I guess SID is still waiting for packages on which nautilus depends? |
| 03:47.46 | mwilson | ethics: Unless there was a d-l debate about it a very long time ago. |
| 03:47.51 | mwilson | MrKeuner: It is? |
| 03:47.54 | bucky | that's weird |
| 03:47.58 | Belboz | yeah, I know |
| 03:48.14 | Belboz | it's done this with two software packages already |
| 03:48.28 | MrKeuner | mwilson/ yeah, before gnome 2.10 makes fully into the repository? |
| 03:48.31 | bucky | Belboz, got automake installed ? |
| 03:48.33 | dx11101 | are you the same belboz from maximum pc? |
| 03:48.35 | Belboz | I've installed plenty of other software on other sytems |
| 03:48.42 | bucky | Belboz, got automake installed autoconfig? |
| 03:48.47 | Belboz | dx, yeah! |
| 03:48.56 | dx11101 | ROFL |
| 03:48.59 | mwilson | MrKeuner: Is there something in particular you actually mean, or is this just...? |
| 03:49.04 | Epod69 | wols_, then why would editing the ide section get me a little farther ? I googled my problem and people said the fixed it by making some things in the ide section built into the kernel, also, i used make-kpkg to install the kernel and i checked grub and the configuration looked just fine... |
| 03:49.15 | ethics | mwilson: ahh i see. i can unserstand that as all the drivers are beta/unstable for alot of things....as i say mplayer as default was my guess but it does make sense not to have it 8) |
| 03:49.34 | Belboz | okay, automake was not installed |
| 03:49.53 | wols_ | Epod69: you need your IDE chip and your root filesystem both compiled into the kernel. otherwise errors like this happen. if you want them as modules, you need initrd which is just icky |
| 03:50.07 | bucky | Belboz, run ./configure again |
| 03:50.18 | Belboz | doing that now bucky |
| 03:50.30 | wols_ | Epod69: what is your IDE chip or your mainboard chipset? |
| 03:50.34 | Epod69 | wols_ adding --initrd to make-kpkg does that for you |
| 03:50.35 | bucky | Belboz, make sure it exits without an error |
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| 03:50.43 | Belboz | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 03:51.00 | trave11er | Belboz: well, is there a makefile? |
| 03:51.02 | wols_ | Epod69: do you like difficulties? unless you must, stay away from initrd. just not worth the hassle |
| 03:51.11 | Epod69 | wols_, i dont know, i just moduled all the chipsets...i have an IBM Netvista, P4 |
| 03:51.11 | bucky | Belboz, did ./configure exit without an error ? |
| 03:51.20 | xam | Belboz: what package are you trying to compile anyway? |
| 03:51.27 | Belboz | there is a makefile.am and a makefile.in |
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| 03:51.30 | Belboz | Xine |
| 03:51.40 | Epod69 | wols_, the default debian kernel uses initrd... |
| 03:51.42 | Belboz | I didn't see any error with ./configrure |
| 03:51.49 | wols_ | Epod69: which is the problem. compile the intel IDE drivers (or whatever chipset that thing uses) into your kernel |
| 03:52.00 | trave11er | Belboz: after configure is done, there should be a Makefile present |
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| 03:52.11 | Epod69 | wols_, what is so bad about initrd ? |
| 03:52.13 | Guerin | !wayc Belboz |
| 03:52.13 | dpkg | Belboz: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 03:52.20 | wols_ | Epod69: yes it does since it's a distro kernel which has to run on a gazillion different systems. this is one of the main reasons initrd was invented. |
| 03:52.22 | Epod69 | i am using it so their shouldnt be a problem anyways, right ? |
| 03:52.23 | MrKeuner | mwilson/ you don't actually have to talk if you do not have anything particular to answer |
| 03:52.28 | wols_ | but you don't, so why are you trying to? |
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| 03:52.34 | Belboz | dpkg, xine wouldn't load after apt-get'ing it |
| 03:52.51 | Guerin | Belboz: what command line did you use, and what error did you get? |
| 03:53.06 | Epod69 | wols_, ah, ic now..i get so many different answers though, a couple days in this channel i was told i need to make initrd... |
| 03:53.12 | Guerin | i can personally attest that xine works perfectly in both sid and sarge. |
| 03:53.14 | Belboz | Guerin, I tried to load Xine from X |
| 03:53.20 | Guerin | Belboz: what command line did you use, and what error did you get? |
| 03:53.27 | Guerin | Belboz: don't make me ask a third time. |
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| 03:58.22 | Guerin | Belboz: it throws a lot of errors on my properly-configured system too |
| 03:58.36 | trave11er | Epod69: this bug has been fixed now, and it was only affecting sparc |
| 03:58.37 | bucky | Belboz, which version of debian are you using? |
| 03:58.53 | Epod69 | trave11er, ah, ok |
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| 03:59.22 | dx11101 | mplayer is godly |
| 03:59.28 | Belboz | Bucky, Sarge |
| 03:59.29 | dx11101 | bow before mplayer |
| 03:59.32 | Guerin | mplayer is indeed the shit |
| 03:59.36 | trave11er | Epod69: initrd is working pretty reliably on x86, but on other arches a lot of things may (and does) go wrong |
| 03:59.38 | Guerin | but it's broken in sid at the moment |
| 03:59.45 | dx11101 | ive been using it in windows |
| 03:59.46 | mwilson | Guerin: How so? |
| 04:00.04 | Epod69 | trave11er, so is it a good thing to have or no ? |
| 04:00.06 | Guerin | mwilson: symbol mismatches in some codec files it's built against |
| 04:00.25 | mwilson | Guerin: Hm, hadn't noticed that... not that I use it much. |
| 04:00.33 | Guerin | mwilson: marillat's packages. Working for you? |
| 04:00.45 | mwilson | Guerin: Yes. |
| 04:00.54 | Guerin | this is as of two days ago; it's potentially fixed now. |
| 04:01.00 | mwilson | Guerin: Like I said, it's not like I use it much. |
| 04:01.06 | Guerin | hrm, maybe a purge and reinstall would do it good. |
| 04:01.10 | bucky | Belboz, i don't know why it's complaining about not finding xine-lib... libxine1 is a dependancy for apt |
| 04:01.22 | mwilson | ii mplayer-nogui 1.0-pre7-0.0 |
| 04:01.22 | trave11er | Epod69: for the distribution it is the only option, pretty much. if you have a stable hardware config, making your own kernel without and initrd might make sense |
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| 04:01.45 | dx11101 | is their a good gui flac ripper for linux? |
| 04:01.50 | bucky | Belboz, is there a reason you prefer xine to mplayer? |
| 04:01.54 | dx11101 | or do i have to use command line? |
| 04:02.05 | Guerin | bucky: xine is in debian] |
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| 04:02.26 | ethics | mwilson: so after looking at all the info on the drivers id expect there will be 2 packages....one for 71X which we run now...and maybe a new one which is GF2 up. Im going to swap mine tonight if i get time and see if it makes a diff.. |
| 04:02.28 | bucky | most people go to the dark side and use mplayer |
| 04:02.32 | trave11er | Epod69: but if it does work for you - don't fix it :-) |
| 04:02.37 | bathat | i'm getting this error: /etc/X11/fs/config: No such file or directory |
| 04:03.07 | Belboz | Buckey, was just hoping to try it out, I read a good review on it |
| 04:03.24 | bucky | fair enough |
| 04:04.07 | bathat | a script by the name of any2vob gives this error |
| 04:04.09 | jasoncohen | XFS can't be shrunk. I'm wondering if i can, however remove a disk off an XFS LVM2 partition by transfering the data to another drive and then increasing the overall size of the partition with a new HD. for example, i could move all data on my 80 GB WD to other parts of the LV, and then remove the HD from the VG. I would then add a new HD and expand the size of the VG & LV and resize the partition |
| 04:04.13 | jasoncohen | is that possible? |
| 04:04.24 | bucky | Belboz, got a url for the download.. let me try to build it |
| 04:04.34 | Guerin | gah, my stupid fucking isp again |
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| 04:04.51 | jordo23 | what's the default path to the samba config file in Debian? |
| 04:05.04 | Bangers | is "ifconfig eth0 add ip <> netmask <> broadcast <>" correct syntax to add an IP into eth0 without effecting its current IP |
| 04:05.07 | Guerin | put a fucking http forward on me because 'i haven't paid the bill' when they have instructions to direct debit my account |
| 04:05.16 | Belboz | bucky, where can I get mplayer? |
| 04:05.27 | kamaraju | Belboz: Just want to be sure that you apt-getted xine from apt repositories. Could you try apt-cache policy xine-ui and see if it points to an official debian repository? |
| 04:05.27 | bathat | Belboz: mplayerhq.com |
| 04:05.32 | Belboz | I'm just looking for a decent media player |
| 04:05.43 | bucky | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 04:05.45 | jordo23 | Does anyone know the default path to the smb.conf file in Debian? |
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| 04:05.59 | Guerin | jordo23: locate smb.conf |
| 04:06.03 | dx11101 | xine is the winamp 5 equivilant isnt it? |
| 04:06.06 | bucky | Belboz, put that in your sources.list and update |
| 04:06.09 | bathat | jordo23: /etc/samba |
| 04:06.14 | Guerin | dx11101: um, no. |
| 04:06.19 | jordo23 | bathat: thanks. |
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| 04:06.28 | bathat | yw |
| 04:06.29 | Guerin | dx11101: no more than a VW beetle is the same as a mazda miata |
| 04:06.30 | dx11101 | is xine just for video |
| 04:06.39 | Guerin | dx11101: xine plays anything you have codecs for |
| 04:06.41 | dx11101 | i forget |
| 04:06.41 | bucky | Belboz, which version of xine were you trying to build? 1.0.1 or rc7 ? |
| 04:07.14 | bucky | oh.. you have to build the lib seperately |
| 04:07.19 | dx11101 | whats xmms compare to xine? |
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| 04:07.38 | dx11101 | xmms is just for audio huh |
| 04:07.42 | pipeline | xmms is an old winamp knockoff. |
| 04:07.50 | dx11101 | yeah |
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| 04:07.56 | dx11101 | xine was the one i was thinking of |
| 04:07.57 | pipeline | I don't remember how old |
| 04:07.59 | pipeline | but pretty damn old |
| 04:08.02 | Guerin | the stupidest thing about my isp is that the dumb motherfuckers haven't actually blocked any traffic - they just redirect all outbound from my ip to their webserver with a page which says soomething in korean |
| 04:08.03 | pipeline | old enough that I don't remember a time before xmms |
| 04:08.08 | dx11101 | i used xine like a long time ago |
| 04:08.11 | jordo23 | If I am making an old pentium computer into a file server using samba, no x-windows installed, under which directory would you typically store files (Like documents, and media files)? |
| 04:08.21 | dx11101 | like a couple years ago |
| 04:08.25 | dx11101 | 2003 |
| 04:08.25 | pipeline | jordo23: I usually put network shares in /export/<workgroup name> |
| 04:08.25 | Guerin | i can shell in, and the boxen I have behind NAT can still use the internet fine, because their http redirect is stupid |
| 04:08.34 | bathat | jordo23: i put mine under /mnt |
| 04:08.43 | Guerin | so I'm just going to install squid on one of my terminal clients and forget about it |
| 04:08.45 | pipeline | jordo23: /export is a pretty common location for NFS shares and shit because Solaris uses it. |
| 04:08.45 | jordo23 | pipeline: which one should I do? |
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| 04:08.52 | pipeline | jordo23: It doesn't matter, it's up to you. |
| 04:08.56 | dx11101 | is their a firewall and antivirus for linux |
| 04:09.01 | Raa | how do i change the time from command line? |
| 04:09.02 | pipeline | jordo23: There's not really a standard for this particular thing |
| 04:09.04 | dx11101 | atleast sarge |
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| 04:09.15 | bathat | dx11101: clamav and iptables |
| 04:09.15 | jordo23 | pipeline: Is there a better place to store them when taking security into consideration? |
| 04:09.20 | dx11101 | thanks |
| 04:09.22 | bathat | iptables is built into linux |
| 04:09.25 | dx11101 | are those the package names? |
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| 04:09.27 | bathat | info iptables |
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| 04:09.45 | bathat | dx11101: search packages.debian.org for clamav |
| 04:09.56 | sbk | so ... hope nobody is close to any low-lying areas near San Francisco :) |
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| 04:10.09 | pipeline | jordo23: No. You set the permissions. |
| 04:10.10 | dx11101 | this was just a test install on my 80 gig |
| 04:10.16 | bathat | sbk: why? |
| 04:10.20 | dx11101 | im going to put it on my 250 gig |
| 04:10.20 | Raa | can someone help me with changing the time from a command prompt |
| 04:10.27 | bucky | Off Topic:TSUNAMI WARNING FOR THE WEST COAST OF AMERICA/CANADA |
| 04:10.28 | dx11101 | i have a lot of data i dont want to lose |
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| 04:10.32 | sbk | figured there's the chance the geeks haven't heard of the possible tsunami warning |
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| 04:10.42 | dx11101 | ofn |
| 04:10.45 | bathat | Raa: /usr/sbin/ntpdate -s -b -p 8 -u time.nrc.ca |
| 04:10.49 | bathat | also, date |
| 04:10.54 | Raa | thanks bathat |
| 04:11.00 | bathat | yw |
| 04:11.18 | bathat | Raa: you'll need ntp though first |
| 04:11.34 | dx11101 | does xine have native support for FLAC? |
| 04:11.50 | simonrvn | use pool.ntp.org |
| 04:11.55 | ugly | anyone here using an exercise ball as a chair? curious if it's as good as people say for posture / comfort </offtopic> |
| 04:12.10 | Raa | ok thanks. the last part about time.nrc.ca is that a time server it will map to? |
| 04:12.24 | bathat | simonrvn: why exactly? |
| 04:12.29 | wols_ | also,ntpdate has its own .deb. no ntp |
| 04:12.53 | bathat | wols_: that's true |
| 04:12.57 | simonrvn | look at /etc/ntp.conf and you'll see why |
| 04:13.05 | bathat | ok |
| 04:13.07 | wols_ | ugly: it supposedly is. I know people who use it. they can't sit on normal chairs |
| 04:13.23 | bathat | oh yeah, i see why |
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| 04:13.30 | kamaraju | bucky: where did u here about that warning? |
| 04:13.35 | ugly | wols_: they can't sit on normal chairs before or after they got the ball!? |
| 04:13.40 | wols_ | ugly: it's for their back |
| 04:13.43 | bathat | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 04:13.54 | Raa | bathat: is time.nrc.ca a time server? |
| 04:14.04 | Raa | sorry i'm a very newby |
| 04:14.04 | simonrvn | duh |
| 04:14.05 | wols_ | they couldn't sit on normal ones without severe back ache. THen they switched to the ball and are happy now (and pain free) |
| 04:14.10 | dx11101 | wanna know what i love about debian |
| 04:14.12 | ugly | ah |
| 04:14.15 | simonrvn | look at the hostname... |
| 04:14.21 | wols_ | Raa: yes it is. but use pool.ntp.org as simonrvn said |
| 04:14.29 | ugly | wols_: don't usually have back problems here, but posture sucks and neck is pretty screwed up :P |
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| 04:14.34 | dx11101 | download iso, burn, install, apt-get install gaim, connect to irc |
| 04:14.42 | bucky | kamaraju, http://edis.oes.ca.gov/bulletins/1118804239.txt |
| 04:15.00 | Raa | wont that be determined by the location though? or does it sort it self out based on where you are? |
| 04:15.03 | Guerin | hah, i'm even stupider than I first thought |
| 04:15.10 | dx11101 | i live in CA |
| 04:15.16 | dx11101 | TSUNAMIS COMING FOR ME |
| 04:15.17 | sbk | if there's a wave, it's supposed to be here in SF around 9:23pm I believe |
| 04:15.27 | Guerin | it's not a http redirect - its that they've poisoned the dns server which dhcp assigns |
| 04:15.40 | wols_ | Guerin: where? and who? |
| 04:15.40 | dx11101 | if i timeout from irc |
| 04:15.43 | Guerin | wtf, tsunami? |
| 04:15.43 | dx11101 | pray for me |
| 04:15.44 | bucky | sbk, you got 10 minutes ? |
| 04:15.46 | Guerin | wols_: my isp |
| 04:15.59 | cplx | sbk: what areas are targeted? |
| 04:16.03 | jordo23 | does anyone know the commands to stop and start (or to restart) the samba server? |
| 04:16.07 | dx11101 | northern CA alaska |
| 04:16.08 | Guerin | wols_: they think i haven't paid my bill, whereas in fact they just haven't debited my account |
| 04:16.09 | simonrvn | oh fuck. what kind of stupidity is that |
| 04:16.12 | dx11101 | mexico border |
| 04:16.19 | dx11101 | pacific islands |
| 04:16.24 | dx11101 | nothing much |
| 04:16.31 | Guerin | nothing much ... |
| 04:16.50 | cplx | dx11101: Cali? |
| 04:16.51 | sbk | actually, just saw the latest bulletin -- http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/message.txt |
| 04:16.52 | dx11101 | just kidding man |
| 04:16.55 | wols_ | http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/bulletins.htm |
| 04:16.58 | dx11101 | yeap |
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| 04:17.07 | dx11101 | im in CALI |
| 04:17.12 | wols_ | has a nice picture for the ones who can't google since they can't read... |
| 04:17.18 | dx11101 | i live 2 miles from the beach |
| 04:17.37 | jordo23 | What's the best non-xwindows irc client for Debian? |
| 04:17.43 | wols_ | jordo23: irssi |
| 04:17.44 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 04:17.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
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| 04:17.58 | dx11101 | GAIM works |
| 04:18.06 | wols_ | wow, dpkg giving "best" advice |
| 04:18.09 | wols_ | Guerin: is that new? |
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| 04:18.28 | sbk | the the tsunami warning has been cancelled for basically all of the west coast, so no problems I guess |
| 04:18.47 | Guerin | wols_: you can tell dpkg anything you like... |
| 04:18.53 | Guerin | !breakfast of champions |
| 04:18.58 | bucky | sbk, it said 1951 PDT |
| 04:19.09 | bucky | that was an hour ago? |
| 04:19.15 | jordo23 | what's the current debian package name for irssi? |
| 04:19.17 | wols_ | Guerin: I know, just baffled about giving "best" advice due to this: |
| 04:19.19 | wols_ | !best |
| 04:19.19 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 04:19.21 | dx11101 | i dont think this quake will generate a tsunami |
| 04:19.24 | sbk | bucky: that was the time of the earthquake I believe |
| 04:19.33 | dx11101 | it takes certain conditions to generate a tsunami |
| 04:19.35 | Guerin | :breakfast of champions |
| 04:19.37 | dx11101 | not just an earthquake |
| 04:19.38 | Xenguy | jordo23: irssi-text |
| 04:19.38 | Guerin | !breakfast of champions |
| 04:19.39 | dpkg | breakfast of champions is, like, < PerfDave> Mmm, leftover curry for breakfast. |
| 04:19.43 | Guerin | that's the one |
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| 04:19.47 | Guerin | mmm |
| 04:19.48 | Guerin | curreh |
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| 04:19.54 | wols_ | jordo23: dpkg told you: irssi-text. if you search for something: apt-get search "searchterm" |
| 04:19.59 | ugly | jordo23: you know you can search by using 'apt-cache search <name>', right? |
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| 04:20.08 | ugly | too slow :( |
| 04:20.14 | sbk | bucky: if there were to be a wave, the previous bulletin said it would get to the coast around 9:20ishpm -- but in any case, looks like they've concluded -- no wave of consequence |
| 04:20.15 | trave11er | Guerin: curry? steak for breakfast rules |
| 04:20.19 | wols_ | oops. apt-cache of course :( |
| 04:20.32 | cplx | dx11101 you feel the quake in your area/ |
| 04:20.35 | Guerin | trave11er: steak is acceptable as a breakfast for the latter-day champion, too. |
| 04:20.38 | wols_ | ugly: and I was too dumb :( |
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| 04:20.48 | sbk | bucky: (coast meaning coast around SF...) |
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| 04:21.03 | bucky | amazing |
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| 04:21.17 | Guerin | man, noaa.gov is getting pwn3d |
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| 04:21.42 | dx11101 | cplx: no i did not, i was too far away |
| 04:22.07 | dx11101 | the only reason i knew was my brother called from the east coast telling me |
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| 04:22.36 | Alumin | are there any PCMCIA 802.11g cards that work in Sarge? by "Sarge", I mean "just using software in main" |
| 04:23.00 | Yoyoma_2 | Hey all i installed the fglrx driver, and the module (according to lsmod) is loaded. But when i go to do startx it says "failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)". Any ideas? |
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| 04:23.45 | trave11er | Alumin: i have a card with some rt2500 chipset, which has gpl drivers, but was not packaged last time i checked |
| 04:23.59 | trave11er | drivers were not packaged, that is |
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| 04:24.24 | Alumin | hmm |
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| 04:24.33 | trave11er | but if packaged, they would be in main :-) |
| 04:25.04 | Alumin | basically, I'm looking for a card that I can recommend to my friends that run stable, I have no problem doing the download-and-compile thing, but I'd just as soon not tell them to do it :) |
| 04:25.45 | Alumin | trave11er: do you know what brand/model it is? perhaps I could package the drivers myself and just give them the deb |
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| 04:27.39 | trave11er | Alumin: MSI CB54G2 |
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| 04:27.49 | Alumin | cool, thanks |
| 04:27.56 | trave11er | drivers are somewhere on sourceforge |
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| 04:28.43 | Alumin | groovy, I'll definitely keep that in mind as a backup plan |
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| 04:29.03 | kamaraju | Does any one have experience with installing testing on HP Pavillion ZE5000. I tried to do it. But the installer hangs and the keyboard becomes unresponsive very quickly after the linux prompt. |
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| 04:29.14 | Alumin | not sure I really know how to package something like a driver yet, but there's always time to learn :) |
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| 04:30.21 | trave11er | Alumin: there are quite a few packages in the archive packaging the module sources |
| 04:30.25 | Alumin | kamaraju: by the linux prompt I assume you mean the LILO prompt? |
| 04:30.38 | trave11er | Alumin: check out module-assistant docs |
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| 04:31.05 | Alumin | trave11er: I'm not sure that kind of deb would work for my friends, they'd still have to compile the source with one of those, right? |
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| 04:31.33 | kamaraju | Alumin: When you pop in the installer cd, I have to enter linux and then it boots right? I am talking about that prompt. |
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| 04:31.50 | Alumin | kamaraju: ok yeah, that would be LILO |
| 04:32.08 | Alumin | so you enter "linux", hit return, and then nothing else happens? |
| 04:32.14 | dx11101 | so whats the best linux distro or atleast the top 3 |
| 04:32.21 | dx11101 | in your opinions |
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| 04:32.31 | Alumin | dx11101: sure you're asking that in the right channel? :p |
| 04:32.41 | streuner | dx11101: /msg dpkg start a distro war |
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| 04:32.50 | ugly | lunix sux |
| 04:32.56 | ugly | use teh freebsd |
| 04:32.57 | jordo23 | When you make a change to your smb.conf file, do you have to restart the server in Debian for the changes to take effect? |
| 04:32.58 | trave11er | Alumin: i don't really have a clear idea, but the way i imagine it, you package debianized source for the modules, which are then built by module-assistant once the deb is installed |
| 04:33.07 | kamaraju | Alumin: That is correct. The keyboard becomes unresponsive and I cannot select the country etc., |
| 04:33.14 | streuner | ugly: we dont care ;-) |
| 04:33.15 | dx11101 | well asuming you all think debian is #1 whats #2 and #3 |
| 04:33.17 | Alumin | jordo23: yeah, "invoke-rc.d samba restart" |
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| 04:33.31 | ugly | dx11101: go away |
| 04:33.33 | Alumin | trave11er: hmm, that would probably work then |
| 04:33.34 | exobyte | with normal wireless, is there a way to encrypt the data, but not require authentication to get on the network? |
| 04:33.54 | ugly | dx11101: also, /msg dpkg best |
| 04:34.16 | doleyb | exobyte: there is ssh |
| 04:34.23 | Alumin | exobyte: you could set the SSID to the WEP key :) |
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| 04:34.52 | exobyte | doleyb: already using pptp |
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| 04:35.20 | Alumin | kamaraju: that's a good one...I can't think what would cause it to work and then not, at that point |
| 04:35.24 | jstevens | how to I tell the server that anything created in a specific directory is owned by a specific group? |
| 04:35.37 | jstevens | directory and it's sub-directories |
| 04:35.44 | Alumin | jstevens: set the uh, group sticky bit |
| 04:35.55 | Alumin | I don't know if that's the proper name for it |
| 04:35.58 | Alumin | chmod g+s |
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| 04:36.42 | caphuso | setgid bit |
| 04:36.48 | swim | hmm Im trying to build the most minimal kernel I can, sofar Im getting kernel panic no syncing VFS unabe to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) ... reiserfs is compiled in... what else could it be? |
| 04:36.49 | Alumin | yeah, that |
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| 04:36.55 | kamaraju | jstevens: try chown -R |
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| 04:37.10 | jonno | what program prints out keycodes as you type them? |
| 04:37.13 | mwilson | swim: Other than actually including drivers for your hardware? |
| 04:37.18 | Alumin | jonno: showkey |
| 04:37.22 | myren | damnit, this windows machine is just thrasing like a @#$@#$@ |
| 04:37.24 | myren | its insane |
| 04:37.43 | swim | mwilson, I thought that I had included everything |
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| 04:38.26 | wols | swim: your IDE (or scsi) chip driver obviously isn't |
| 04:38.38 | swim | ah ok thx |
| 04:38.39 | jstevens | kamaraju: understand the +R ... I'm talking about stuff that is created in the future |
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| 04:38.57 | jstevens | Alumin: I have no clue what you are talking about :-) |
| 04:39.21 | Alumin | jstevens: when you do chmod g+s on the directory, it sets the setgid bit |
| 04:39.27 | Bethy^^ | Need some assistance with sid. http://www.myprivatespace.org, apparently either apache2 or php4 isn't working. no clues in the error log or syslog that i can understand. i had been trying to diagnose an issue where apache would hang after 1-2 accesses, and then to answer a new request i'd have to restart the daemon. |
| 04:39.27 | dx11101 | does debian have a free burning program? |
| 04:39.34 | Alumin | then any files created in that directory will have the group ownership of the directory |
| 04:39.37 | Bethy^^ | dx11101: several. |
| 04:39.44 | mwilson | dx11101: "free burning program"? |
| 04:39.46 | dx11101 | can you recommend one |
| 04:39.50 | ugly | haha |
| 04:39.53 | bigbill52a | k3b |
| 04:39.53 | dx11101 | one i can just apt-get |
| 04:40.02 | mwilson | ew, k3b |
| 04:40.07 | ugly | does debian have an irc client |
| 04:40.07 | jstevens | Alumin chmod, or chown ? |
| 04:40.10 | Alumin | dx11101: I like xcdroast but it's kinda minimal |
| 04:40.12 | wols__ | dx11101: cdrecord, cdrdao |
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| 04:40.17 | ugly | for free, you know? |
| 04:40.21 | Alumin | jstevens: chmod |
| 04:40.21 | wols__ | k3b is not a burning program. it's a frontend |
| 04:40.30 | dx11101 | which is best |
| 04:40.33 | Bethy^^ | if you're a gui fan, k3b's deps will get you what you need. |
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| 04:40.37 | ugly | dx11101: /msg dpkg best |
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| 04:40.50 | ugly | second time I told you to do that |
| 04:40.51 | Alumin | ugly: I thought we were all using mIRC |
| 04:40.54 | mwilson | k3b's deps will get you most of the crap that is KDE, too. |
| 04:41.01 | bigbill52a | xchat |
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| 04:41.05 | wols__ | sether: you hanve't added the proper mime handler. or rather, your php hasn't |
| 04:41.05 | ugly | Alumin: it's not free! |
| 04:41.06 | swim | are IDE drivers in Block devices ---> ? |
| 04:41.12 | Alumin | hehe |
| 04:41.30 | wols__ | Alumin: speak for yourself. I use telnet.exe and am proud of it |
| 04:41.45 | Bethy^^ | wols__: mind if i snoop your passwords then? |
| 04:41.57 | wols__ | irc has a password now? |
| 04:42.08 | wols__ | shit, how did I get in here then? some evil hacker must have helped me |
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| 04:43.22 | Q-FUNK | Hi! I have a package that successfully installs but later on is marked as upgradable to the same version. running 'apt-get upgrade' ends up reinstalling the exact same version of the exact same package ad nauseum. What could cause this and who do I fix it? |
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| 04:43.41 | Q-FUNK | öö.. how, even |
| 04:44.00 | Bethy^^ | for the most part, are sid's config files for server stuff (apache2, mysql, etc) backward compatible to sarge? |
| 04:44.03 | Alumin | now that's a new one |
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| 04:44.24 | wols | Bethy^^: for the most part yes |
| 04:44.27 | tzafrir_laptop | Q-FUNK, I guess This Shouldn't Happen [tm]. Care to give more details about that specific package and your apt settings? |
| 04:44.30 | T-Cero | a simple question about kdevelop, is posible to use kdevelop as IDE of a Qt project in c++? |
| 04:44.34 | bigbill52a | k3b with all the supporting backends on debian is as fast as nero on windows.. |
| 04:44.35 | wols | of course if a new version comes out, anything might change |
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| 04:45.03 | jayc | hey is gnome still broke in sid? |
| 04:45.10 | Bethy^^ | wols: that's one of the dangers of using sid, i understand that. but i've gorked a sid machine and want to move it back to sarge. (save configs, complete reinstall.) |
| 04:45.13 | T-Cero | I' am new in Qt Kdevelop debian.... |
| 04:45.16 | Bethy^^ | jayc: check bugs for gnome-core. |
| 04:45.29 | sparr_ | what is the appeal of JFFS2 for embedded storage? |
| 04:45.30 | Q-FUNK | tzafrir_laptop: it gets even funnier: I have several workstations with the exact same setup. it does that on only one. |
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| 04:45.49 | Alumin | Q-FUNK: strange apt pins? |
| 04:46.06 | wols | Bethy^^: it will probably work. but no one will give you any guarantees |
| 04:46.19 | ozzloy | !annoy ozzloy |
| 04:46.23 | Bethy^^ | wols: i don't expect any. just asking general principles. :) |
| 04:46.26 | ozzloy | something like that |
| 04:46.28 | bigbill52a | i am impressed with the new debian... |
| 04:46.31 | ozzloy | what's the annoy bot? |
| 04:46.42 | T-Cero | I' ll ask at other moment |
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| 04:46.49 | cthulfuego | ozzloy: it's called "sussudio". |
| 04:46.51 | ugly | ozzloy: you're doing just fine |
| 04:47.02 | ozzloy | thanx. i try, i try |
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| 04:47.36 | jordo23 | Does anyone know why I would be able to speak on IRC on this account, but not on my other nick jordo2323 which is using irssi? |
| 04:47.59 | Q-FUNK | Alumin: same APT pins on every workstation too. |
| 04:48.06 | cthulfuego | jordo23: jordo2323 is logged in as root and shouldn't on irc. |
| 04:48.21 | wols | jordo23: cause ircing as root is a dumb idea |
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| 04:49.01 | jordo23 | Oh....ok |
| 04:49.06 | Alumin | Q-FUNK: tried removing it and re-installing it? |
| 04:49.17 | Bethy^^ | before i fire up a reinstall i'm going to update my mirror and see if that helps first. <sigh> |
| 04:49.19 | drakula | can anybody help me, please...? I have simple questions about kdevelop |
| 04:49.34 | swim | I know I have a NFORCE3-150: IDE controller but can't find where to select it in menuconfig |
| 04:49.34 | Q-FUNK | Alumin: yup. didn't help. I even tried purging it, then reinstalling it. the problem persists. |
| 04:49.38 | jordo23 | Does anyone know how to make shares on Samba writeable? (I do have writeable = yes in the config file under the share). I think it's a permissions thing |
| 04:50.23 | Alumin | jordo23: do you have the user and group directives uncommented? if so, you're probably running as nobody and maybe the OS is stopping you |
| 04:50.25 | myren | are there any programs which make it EASY to manipulate the system clock? maybe a gui program? |
| 04:50.33 | myren | i'm mildly dyslexic |
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| 04:50.45 | myren | 9012 bytes |
| 04:50.46 | jordo23 | I can view the shares from my windows pc, but cannot write any files. |
| 04:51.10 | Alumin | myren: if by "manipulate" you just mean "set", you can install ntpdate and then whenever the clock is off, just run ntpdate |
| 04:51.13 | wols | swim: it's the same as the AMD IDE chip afaik |
| 04:51.23 | streuner | hm, only 112 MB (GNOME 2.10) :-) |
| 04:51.34 | jordo23 | Alumin: what do I have to add to the share definition to be able to write? |
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| 04:51.40 | wols | also generic PCI IDE chipset also works, but then there is no busmaster DMA (and you don't want that) |
| 04:51.54 | Bethy^^ | streuner: installing gnome 2.10 on sid? |
| 04:52.11 | streuner | Bethy^^: apt-get install gnome (sid) |
| 04:52.15 | Alumin | jordo23: not the share definition, if smbd is running as nobody then nobody has to be able to write to the dir |
| 04:52.22 | Bethy^^ | streuner: i sense disaster in your future. |
| 04:52.34 | wols | jordo23: the user you log in under has to have write priviledges and your smb.conf also has to grant him those privs |
| 04:52.46 | myren | Alumin: /win 9 |
| 04:52.53 | myren | FRAK, sorry. :/ |
| 04:52.53 | Alumin | Q-FUNK: "apt-get -V install <package>" say anything useful? |
| 04:52.54 | streuner | Bethy^^: why, can you see into future? |
| 04:53.00 | swim | wols, hmm odd I do have AMD and nVidia IDE support selected in menuconfig-->drivers-->ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL--> |
| 04:53.03 | Bethy^^ | streuner: no, i can read the bug database. |
| 04:53.07 | streuner | haha |
| 04:53.17 | jordo23 | Alumin: what do you mean running as nobody? |
| 04:53.19 | wols | swim: how have you selected it? module or compiled in? |
| 04:53.29 | Bethy^^ | streuner: check bugs for gnome-core. |
| 04:53.41 | Alumin | jordo23: samba normally runs its daemons as root, but you can configure it to run as an unprivileged user |
| 04:53.41 | swim | wols, as a module , because it only lets me do so as module |
| 04:53.50 | wols | swim: that's your problem. |
| 04:54.03 | jordo23 | Alumin: what do I have to do? |
| 04:54.07 | wols | then a driver which the IDE driver depends on has been compiled as a module |
| 04:54.20 | wols | compile both in |
| 04:54.20 | Alumin | jordo23: make sure that the user that smbd is running as can read and write to the directory where the files are |
| 04:54.47 | wols | jordo23: and set write priviledges for that share in smb.conf too |
| 04:55.03 | Alumin | swim: if it'll only do a module then you need to compile in "cramfs" support (Compressed RAM FileSystem), make an initrd, and put the module in it |
| 04:55.09 | jordo23 | Alumin: it's running under root. |
| 04:55.14 | Q-FUNK | Alumin: nothing much. it shows that it's about to "upgrade" from the sasme version to the same version. |
| 04:55.26 | swim | Alumin, oh ok thx |
| 04:55.27 | jordo23 | wols: I have writeable = yes under the share. |
| 04:55.45 | Alumin | swim: that's what I had to do when I wanted ext2 as a module |
| 04:56.01 | Alumin | that of course was on one of my more "type A personality" days |
| 04:56.03 | wols | swim: only use initrd if you want pain |
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| 04:56.15 | swim | hehe I do not |
| 04:56.21 | Alumin | initrd is not evil! it's just uuuuused for evil! |
| 04:56.25 | jordo23 | Alumin: the server is running under root. What do I have to do? |
| 04:56.27 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:56.51 | Alumin | jordo23: hmm, that's odd |
| 04:57.06 | jordo23 | Alumin: I think it is anyways....how can I check? |
| 04:57.11 | toresbe | <OT: HTML> How do I center text in an HTML 4.01 table? |
| 04:57.18 | Alumin | jordo23: try turning up the debug level in smb.conf, restart the server, and then check /var/log/samba/smbd.log |
| 04:57.24 | wols | jordo23: can the user you log un under to access the files access the share directory? is it writable for him? |
| 04:57.33 | Alumin | toresbe: style=text-align:center; |
| 04:57.40 | swim | whatthecrap |
| 04:57.43 | toresbe | Alumin: cheers :) |
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| 04:57.52 | jordo23 | wols: no, I can view the shared dir, but cannot write to it. |
| 04:57.55 | Alumin | jordo23: ps auxwww | grep smbd |
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| 04:58.25 | wols | Alumin: it is evil and overly complicated. also in his case it totally violates the KISS principle. I don't see a reason why anyone would want his root device drivers as modules if there is a Free driver for it |
| 04:58.28 | tarzeau | good morning |
| 04:58.36 | jordo23 | Alumin: running under root. |
| 04:58.41 | bob2 | it's useful for distro kernels |
| 04:58.43 | bisquit | Would it be a lot of hassle to upgrade from Woody to Sarge? Just reading the upgrade-instructions from Debian.org, but I'm a little worried about all the things. Like crontabs and such, but... why would they be affected. It's not like this is windows! |
| 04:58.43 | bob2 | that's about it |
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| 04:58.44 | wols | jordo23: I meant the user on the Linux side |
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| 04:59.09 | coulix | hi i have a networking exam tomorow may i ask some related questions here ? |
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| 04:59.18 | jordo23 | Alumin: Do I have to change the modes on the directory itself? |
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| 04:59.25 | bob2 | it'd be awy less annoying if you just asked |
| 04:59.31 | Alumin | jordo23: not if samba is running as root |
| 04:59.40 | wols | bob2: there is a 2nd reason: sometiems crappy hardware makers for disk controllers have only binary drivers. May the devil rot their brains |
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| 04:59.58 | bob2 | erk |
| 05:00.06 | zdom | hi all, any idea of how can i setup my debian box with 2 broadband provider as NAT? |
| 05:00.06 | Alumin | crap, it's midnight |
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| 05:00.21 | wols | zdom: to do what? |
| 05:00.31 | wols | ie.why do you want to do this? |
| 05:00.32 | zdom | load balancing |
| 05:00.47 | Alumin | jordo23: turn up the logging in smb.conf (man 5 smb.conf), restart samba, try the share, when it doesn't work check /var/log/samba/smbd.conf |
| 05:00.56 | wols | zdom: unless your broadband providers help you (which is more than unlikely), it's not possible |
| 05:00.56 | zdom | I am living in Hong Kong, Hong Kong have so many cheap BB provider |
| 05:00.57 | Alumin | hopefully there will be something illuminating in it |
| 05:01.06 | ethics | hey so im trying to debug an issue i have...if i compile something into the kernel and it works np does anything get changed in my system other than the kernel?..ie is modconf modded to remove my old modules etc? |
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| 05:01.33 | zdom | so i wanna use 1 have great local bandwidth and another one have great oversea bandwidth... |
| 05:01.35 | jordo23 | Alumin: if user = share shouldn't any user be able to write to the share? |
| 05:01.36 | wols | ethics: no |
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| 05:01.54 | Alumin | see you guys later... trave11er, thanks for the wireless card tips |
| 05:01.55 | zdom | wols there is no software solution for load-balancing? |
| 05:02.00 | trave11er | Alumin: np |
| 05:02.00 | wols | zdom: you could hack iptables or your routing to do that |
| 05:02.08 | ethics | the issue i have is that my ide-cd seems to not work when i manually probe it but if its in my kernel ie loads auto on boot with no issue.. |
| 05:02.13 | kamaraju | coulix: If it is related to Debian, then definitely yes. But if it is not related, you can try your luck. |
| 05:02.21 | wols | there is, but only if both ends, you and your ISP agree about the load balancing |
| 05:02.27 | yo2lux | i build kernel 2.6.11.4 on debian 3.1sarge, when system start with new kernek i see the following error : initrd-tools: 0.1.8.1 | modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.11.4/modules.dep (No such file or directory) | privot_root: no such file or directory | sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file | kernel panic - not synching: Attempted to kill . Any idea to solve this problem ? |
| 05:02.31 | bob2 | ethics: "not work"? is ide-scsi getting loaded first? |
| 05:02.56 | bob2 | wols: well, it sounds like (s)he wants to route .hk traffic differently to non-hk traffic, which is easy |
| 05:03.00 | zdom | wols u mean i cannot do it on my side? need BB provider help? |
| 05:03.16 | bob2 | zdom: you just want local traffic to go down one connection, and international down another? |
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| 05:03.21 | zdom | yes |
| 05:03.24 | ethics | bob2: i think sata comes up as a clash at a guess...ive removed everything weird.. |
| 05:03.29 | trave11er | yo2lux: most probably your kernel version and initrd does not match |
| 05:03.34 | wols | bob2: yes. as I said that can be done via routing or iptables trickery. but usually load balancing is a bit more |
| 05:03.36 | ethics | bob2: its scsi according to kernel |
| 05:03.40 | witless | does sarge support 3ware SATA-RAID controllers? |
| 05:03.52 | zdom | i.e. the local one got 10M to my box, the oversea one got ADSL |
| 05:04.01 | bob2 | wols: ah, right |
| 05:04.02 | bob2 | wols: yes |
| 05:04.15 | bob2 | zdom: that's simple if you can find out which networks are local and which are remote |
| 05:04.23 | zdom | icic |
| 05:04.25 | bob2 | yo2lux: use the default kernel |
| 05:04.25 | jordo23 | Does anyone here know if a share is visible on windows, why I cannot write to it from the client? |
| 05:04.34 | dx11101 | whats the name of the penguin racer game |
| 05:04.37 | bob2 | jordo23: because you didn't export is a rw? |
| 05:04.41 | bob2 | dx11101: tuxrcaer |
| 05:04.44 | dx11101 | thx |
| 05:04.45 | bob2 | er, tuxracer. |
| 05:04.46 | wols | witless: there is some 3ware driver in the 2.6 kernel at least. sarge has 2.6, so I guess yes |
| 05:04.47 | ethics | tuxracer |
| 05:04.50 | dx11101 | got it |
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| 05:05.01 | dx11101 | just couldnt remember the tux part :D |
| 05:05.17 | wols | dx11101: shame on you |
| 05:05.17 | ethics | wols: check the driver details...you may have some things to set |
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| 05:05.44 | ethics | wols, or witless hehe |
| 05:05.45 | zdom | who got 3ware problem? i am using it |
| 05:05.49 | jordo23 | bob2: what? |
| 05:05.50 | dx11101 | ahahaha |
| 05:05.52 | wols | ethics: all I know about it that I see it on every menuconfig. never used them. don't have 3ware hardware |
| 05:05.52 | dx11101 | dosbox |
| 05:06.01 | witless | zdom: 3ware SATA-RAID controller |
| 05:06.08 | zdom | yes, i am using i |
| 05:06.08 | bob2 | jordo23: you need to tell samba if you want a share to be writable |
| 05:06.09 | zdom | it |
| 05:06.12 | zdom | 8 port one |
| 05:06.18 | witless | 3Ware Escalade 8506-4LP Kit, 4 port SATA 150 low profile PCI 64/66 RAID Controller |
| 05:06.20 | zdom | what's your problem? |
| 05:06.27 | jordo23 | bob2: Under the share in smb.conf, I have writable = yes. |
| 05:06.30 | witless | zdom: i want to know if sarge supports it |
| 05:06.34 | zdom | i am sure |
| 05:06.44 | zdom | 3ware got the best support in debian |
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| 05:06.51 | bob2 | ethics: I'd guess the problem is that you ide-scsi gets loaded before ide-cd |
| 05:06.59 | witless | zdom: doesn't matter if it's sata instead of ata (i have a 3ware ata now, works great) |
| 05:07.00 | ethics | bob2: where do modules load up priority wise? originally on a deb kernel its fine |
| 05:07.01 | bob2 | ethics: but you didn't define "won't work" enough to say for sure |
| 05:07.04 | witless | ? |
| 05:07.15 | ethics | bob2: same kernel bounces now for some reason.. |
| 05:07.16 | dx11101 | which directory does tuxracer goto |
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| 05:07.22 | wols | ethics: /etc/modules |
| 05:07.30 | wols | ethics: first come, first serve basis |
| 05:07.31 | ethics | bob2: the modules load but no /dev/haXX created |
| 05:07.34 | bob2 | dx11101: /usr/games/, I'd guess |
| 05:07.39 | yo2lux | trave11er i copy bzImage to boot, i add to /boot/grub/menu.lst : title Debian new kernel | root(hd0,0) | kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda1 ro | savedefault | boot and i get the following error: Kernel panic - not synching: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) . I think my root fs is good because default Debian kernel 2.4 use this root fs |
| 05:07.40 | dx11101 | thanks |
| 05:07.40 | bob2 | ethics: are you using udev or devfs? |
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| 05:07.48 | jordo23 | bob2: I have writable = yes in the smb.conf file under the share.... |
| 05:07.49 | ethics | dodb2: no pretty messages about probing either |
| 05:08.10 | bob2 | jordo23: can the samba daemon write to that directory? |
| 05:08.12 | ethics | bob2: not sure..i think devfs..easy check spot? dpkg -l? |
| 05:08.12 | robert | if i install the java sdk using alien -i, will it keep in line with the other .deb files so that i don't run into dependency issues? |
| 05:08.19 | wols | yo2lux: first, you should use kernel-package to create new kernels under debian |
| 05:08.23 | bob2 | ethics: ls -lad /dev/.* |
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| 05:08.26 | jordo23 | bob2: you mean can I copy a file in the dir? |
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| 05:08.35 | robert | java sdk rpm |
| 05:08.35 | mborohovski | btw, in case anybody was wondering. |
| 05:08.38 | wols | yo2lux: and 2nd: compile in your harddisk interface chipset in the kernel |
| 05:08.46 | mborohovski | im in the middle of setting up the vaio s480 |
| 05:08.49 | zdom | D-I directly suppport it, you don't have to do anything for installing |
| 05:08.49 | zdom | yes |
| 05:08.49 | zdom | i love 3ware so much, i have 6 x Hitachi 250G running raid 5 over 8 months, never got any single problem |
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| 05:08.51 | zdom | running sarge until now |
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| 05:08.59 | bob2 | jordo23: no, I mean, samba runs as "nobody", can nobody write to that directory? |
| 05:09.01 | mborohovski | and though the harddisk isnt recognized by sarge installer (thanks to the 2.6.8 kernel) |
| 05:09.19 | mborohovski | im using knoppix 3.9 (with the 2.6.11 kernel) and it recognizes the harddisk fine. |
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| 05:09.23 | mborohovski | im just gonna debootstrap |
| 05:09.29 | Epod69 | hey, i got my new configured kernel working!! =), and i have alsa and soundcore built into the kernel, rest of alsa stuff is module and then a module of my chipset. What else do i need to do to configure also and to get it working ? |
| 05:09.32 | ethics | bob2: udevdb... dont have any reasons to run either over another unless gnome volume manager cares |
| 05:09.34 | robert | sucks that sun doesn't realize how many debian (and debian based) systems there are out there.... |
| 05:09.47 | bob2 | ethics: udev is what you want |
| 05:09.47 | jordo23 | bob2: write from the windows pc or from the linux box? |
| 05:09.47 | mborohovski | so if anyone comes up with the same problem i did, thats the only workaround ive found :) |
| 05:10.04 | bob2 | jordo23: do you know how unix permissions work? |
| 05:10.09 | zdom | what harddisk you are using? |
| 05:10.12 | bob2 | Epod69: load the module for your card |
| 05:10.25 | jordo23 | bob2: somewhat, but I am kinda new to linux... |
| 05:10.28 | wols | Epod69: if the drivers are really loaded, all you should need is to unmute the mixer |
| 05:10.29 | bob2 | robert: pick one channel |
| 05:10.29 | dx11101 | damn |
| 05:10.32 | ethics | bob2: neweest version installed.. |
| 05:10.34 | mborohovski | zdom: its not the harddisk, its the controller |
| 05:10.35 | zdom | 3ware got some problem with WD |
| 05:10.42 | yo2lux | anyone know a good website that teach me how to recompile 2.6.x kernel without problems ? |
| 05:10.44 | ethics | bob2: according to apt-get install udev |
| 05:10.46 | Epod69 | wols, how do i start the mixer ? |
| 05:10.46 | bob2 | jordo23: there's a user called "nobody". can that user write to whatever directory you're trying to share? |
| 05:10.49 | mborohovski | zdom: an Intel 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Controller |
| 05:10.51 | bob2 | ethics: that's fine |
| 05:10.57 | wols | Epod69: try alsamixer |
| 05:10.58 | robert | bob2, why? no one was answering in here |
| 05:11.00 | zdom | oicic |
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| 05:11.12 | Epod69 | wols, no such command |
| 05:11.22 | bob2 | robert: presumably you're only running one or the other at the moment |
| 05:11.23 | Epod69 | do i need to install alsa through apt-get as well ? |
| 05:11.25 | jordo23 | bob2: if I login under nobody...what's the password? |
| 05:11.29 | wols | Epod69: then maybe you have to install it? |
| 05:11.33 | wols | yo2lux: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 05:11.38 | robert | bob2, the question is for both systems |
| 05:11.41 | robert | since i run both |
| 05:11.49 | yo2lux | wols thanks ! |
| 05:11.57 | ethics | bob2: so if i put ide-cd etc in my modconf it would come before sata if i specify it above it?...or /etc/modules? |
| 05:12.08 | bob2 | jordo23: there isn't one, "su" to root, then "su - nobody" |
| 05:12.24 | wols | yo2lux: your bzImage copying will work too, but kernel-package is nicer and cleaner. and the problem you have is most probably a missing IDE driver |
| 05:12.47 | bob2 | ethics: /etc/modules is where you can influence modules loaded at boot time (somewhat) |
| 05:13.20 | Epod69 | yo2lux, i just got out of the horrible error your getting, i used make-kpkg (kernel-pkg) to install my kernel, make sure your ide and ide chipset is built into the kernel, along with your file system you are using.., dont use initrd either..that also was messing me up |
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| 05:13.38 | jordo23 | bob2: assuming that nobody cant write to the share, what do I do to make it writeable? |
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| 05:14.34 | bob2 | jordo23: chmod ugo=rwx,g+t /dir/to/share/ |
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| 05:15.20 | witless | zdom: are you using ATA or SATA 3ware controllers? |
| 05:15.21 | ethics | bob2: but what loads the sata driver? discover/hotplug? |
| 05:15.24 | yo2lux | Epod69 exist a way to see which ide drivers enabled in default 2.4 debian kernel ? |
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| 05:15.55 | zdom | sata |
| 05:16.02 | bob2 | ethics: I thin kthe kernel just tries to load everything from the initrd |
| 05:16.06 | witless | zdom: ok, cool. |
| 05:16.06 | wols | yo2lux: yes. look in /boot/. There is a config* file for your debian kernel with all the settings the debian kernel used |
| 05:16.18 | myren | ggaaarr.. my qlogic fc stuff hasnt worked since 2.6.8 |
| 05:16.31 | jordo23 | bob2: ok, that worked, but is there a way I can make all the subfolders underneath writeable too? |
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| 05:16.39 | yo2lux | wols thank you very much ! |
| 05:16.44 | Ry12 | how do i setup eth1 to share ineternet connection from eth0 |
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| 05:16.50 | Epod69 | yo2lux, sorry, dont know that unless you use dmesg and try to search through your working kernel, i have an IBM so i knew intel was my chipset |
| 05:16.51 | wols | jordo23: chmod -R <more parameters" |
| 05:16.57 | wols | jordo23: -R is for "recursive" |
| 05:17.11 | wols | Ry12: apt-get install ipmasq dnsmasq |
| 05:17.15 | bob2 | jordo23: run that command again, with -R |
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| 05:17.29 | witless | what i've been doing - and this has turned out to be quite unreliable under load - is cobble together two 3ware RAID-1 ports (in ATA mode) plus one IDE controller port on my motherboard into a single RAID-5 with software raid... |
| 05:17.40 | wols | Ry12: then just set eth1 any private IP you want and point the clients to that IP |
| 05:17.40 | Ry12 | what command do i run with those |
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| 05:17.50 | KidIkarus | Hi, I'm new to debian, and I need the mail funtion in php to use an external smtp server, but I am completely clueless on even were to begin. Can anyone help me? |
| 05:17.56 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 05:17.56 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 05:17.59 | ethics | bob2: hmm ok i think i know whats going wrong: when i build a new kernel it will change my initrd? |
| 05:18.01 | yo2lux | now possible to rebuild the kernel again, i don't need to reinstall the full debian OS ? |
| 05:18.05 | tarzeau | KidIkarus: #php |
| 05:18.06 | bob2 | KidIkarus: you need to configure your local MTA |
| 05:18.10 | Epod69 | i dont have a master control in alsamixer!! grrrr i had this same problem with gentoo |
| 05:18.17 | myren | is there any way to make-kpkg kernel_image, make-kpkg configure, make-kpkg kernel_image? |
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| 05:18.20 | witless | KidIkarus: that might be more of a PHP question than debian |
| 05:18.21 | wols | ethics: not unless you explicitly tell it to build initrd |
| 05:18.23 | myren | without having to make-kpkg clean in between |
| 05:18.24 | tarzeau | Epod69: also not in aumix? |
| 05:18.38 | myren | crap, i also want to --append-to-version a new string too, thats where the errs come from |
| 05:18.46 | KidIkarus | I checked php.ini and it said it uses sendmail, but I don't think I have sendmail configured |
| 05:18.47 | bob2 | KidIkarus: e.g., if you're using exim4 (which is the default), give it a smarthost which is your isp's mailserver |
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| 05:18.53 | myren | i've got like 20 different kernels i want to make, and i have to rebuild the whole thing for like 2-3 changes |
| 05:18.55 | KidIkarus | how do I do that? |
| 05:19.03 | bob2 | KidIkarus: all unix MTA's (exim, sednmail, postfix) provide a binary called "sendmail" |
| 05:19.05 | Epod69 | dont have a command aumix, amixer doesnt have one either |
| 05:19.08 | bob2 | KidIkarus: sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 05:19.14 | trave11er | myren: use ccache |
| 05:19.15 | Epod69 | tarzeau,* |
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| 05:19.18 | jordo23 | bob2: thanks man! You did it! |
| 05:19.18 | ethics | wols, cool checking my install notes on it |
| 05:19.24 | tarzeau | Epod69: apt-get install it? |
| 05:19.26 | wols | myren: I just run make menuconfig again when I need to change something. if it's for the same machine it has never failed me |
| 05:19.27 | bob2 | jordo23: np |
| 05:19.47 | wols | ethics: any reason why you want a initrd at all? |
| 05:20.00 | Ry12 | so dont i have to run any commands for dnsmasq and ipmasq |
| 05:20.01 | Supaplex | bob2: what happened? (you msg'd me) |
| 05:20.01 | jordo23 | bob2: In Debian, is there a way to clear the screen from the login prompt? |
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| 05:20.22 | ethics | wols, fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -486 --initrd im thinking i did.. |
| 05:20.22 | wols | Ry12: no. ipmasq will ask a few config questions when you install it. after that it's automatic |
| 05:20.30 | myren | how do i make ccache and distcc used by default? |
| 05:20.37 | wols | ethics: yes you did... so the question is: why did you do it? |
| 05:20.39 | exobyte | I want to make a iptables rule that intercepts port 80 requests and forwards them to localhost |
| 05:20.40 | myren | or at least for making the kernel? |
| 05:20.41 | jm_ | jordo23: tried <ctrl-v><esc>c<enter> ? maybe you can skip the ctrl-v part, I forgot |
| 05:20.47 | bob2 | jordo23: there is, but I forget how to do it globally |
| 05:21.02 | Epod69 | actually, hmm..do you have to have the sound card support when building the kernel as a module ? i have it built in and i was just reading the alsa documentation for my alsa driver and it said to module sound card support when doing it, and i dont have a module soundcore right now, modinfo soundcore doesnt show anything... |
| 05:21.14 | jm_ | jordo23: other then that, it's usually done in .bash_logout |
| 05:21.18 | ethics | wols: im just trying to stay with debian kernels with new modules....that way i know where im at all the time easily |
| 05:21.20 | wols | Epod69: you can't "compile the kernel as a module" |
| 05:21.37 | trave11er | myren: don't know about distcc, for ccache do export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:${PATH} |
| 05:21.41 | toresbe | (HTML OT) Hmm, also, how do I specify table width? I'm used to width="50%" but there |
| 05:21.44 | wols | Epod69: you have to compile soundcore into the kernel. no soundcore.ko module |
| 05:22.03 | myren | trave11er: thats madd!!! |
| 05:22.12 | trave11er | myren: then it will use /usr/lib/ccache/gcc as a compiler and DTRT |
| 05:22.19 | ethics | wols, probably because i missed something when i read the doco for compiling...was all caused by a missing nonfree driver before they announced it with a hack around |
| 05:22.21 | wols | ethics: if you compile your own kernel, the make a custom one. otherwise it's not worth the hassle |
| 05:22.23 | myren | i have no /usr/lib/ccache |
| 05:22.30 | toresbe | 's apparently some haughty-taughty CSS replacement... |
| 05:22.31 | trave11er | myren: apt-get install ccache |
| 05:22.35 | vares | anyone else have problems with sarge's libpthread-0.10.so ? again overwritten by a small textfile... |
| 05:22.40 | Epod69 | wols, so i did do right, i dont have to have soundcore as a module, from reading the alsa doc, it says you MUST have the soundcore module, lsmod doesnt show it ... |
| 05:22.53 | yo2lux | what a module mean in kenrel ? is not enabled by default at boot, i need to load as module ? |
| 05:22.56 | trave11er | myren: i do it all the time :-) |
| 05:22.59 | jm_ | you can also do it via issue I suppose |
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| 05:23.03 | wols | ethics: the only reason you want a initrd in custom kernels is for loading a nonfree driver you absolutely need for booting. my advice then is: get better hardware which doesn't need crappy binary only drivers |
| 05:23.05 | ethics | wols: bob2: so if i want to goo back to a true debian initrd is there a nice method? |
| 05:23.23 | myren | heh, thanks, save me the *blush* |
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| 05:23.51 | wols | yo2lux: it's a driver you can load (and unload) while linux is running |
| 05:23.59 | yo2lux | I see my EXT3 journaling file system support enabled as Module, i think this is a problem and debian don't boot |
| 05:24.06 | ethics | wols: onboards they work wasnt really marked as an issue until a few days ago....tg3...the manufacturer drived is also in question for it but itll be back i expect |
| 05:24.10 | trave11er | myren: btw, ccache is currently slightly broken in unstable |
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| 05:24.16 | JeffH | does anyone here know how to setup rsync to not require a password? |
| 05:24.25 | wols | yo2lux: yes this is probably the culprit. compile it into the kernel, not only as a module |
| 05:24.33 | yo2lux | thanks ! |
| 05:24.38 | myren | trave11er: thanks, i'll stick to testing then. ;) |
| 05:24.47 | bob2 | JeffH: tunnel it over ssh, and setup ssh keys |
| 05:24.50 | wols | ethics: what chip is it? |
| 05:24.55 | jasoncohen | any idea why security.debian.org hasn't released a security advisory for gaim? gaim 1.3.1 released several security problems and was released 5 days ago. |
| 05:25.01 | ethics | wols so anyways rolling back to an initrd ...can i just copy a new one wit permisions etc or do i need to do something less friendly |
| 05:25.05 | JeffH | bob: you have a document or something on how to do that? |
| 05:25.13 | tvn | how do I capture the output of time to a file , e.g $time command >> filelog , this only captures the output of the command to the filelog |
| 05:25.20 | ethics | wols: broadcom gigabit...can grabe exact number if you like.. |
| 05:25.24 | jasoncohen | 1.3.1 was added to unstable immediately |
| 05:25.29 | wols | ethics: I'd install a genuine debian kernel from debian.org. It should come with a initrd |
| 05:25.34 | raf256 | where can I make apache & php process(es) nice? |
| 05:25.43 | jm_ | jasoncohen: did you check the version of gaim in stable? |
| 05:25.51 | wols | raf256: "make nice"? |
| 05:25.51 | ethics | wols i have it didnt overwrite initrd 8/ |
| 05:26.01 | raf256 | wols: as in: renice |
| 05:26.04 | bob2 | JeffH: generate keys on client: 'ssh-keygen -t rsa'. copy keys over: 'ssh-copy-id user@remotehost'. check it works: 'ssh user@remotehost' <- no password required |
| 05:26.32 | wols | ethics: go to packages.debian.org. search for initrd |
| 05:26.34 | jasoncohen | jm_, 1.2.1-1. as far as i know, the security issues that affect 1.3.0 also affect 1.2.1 |
| 05:26.43 | Epod69 | anyone else here ever had problems with no master control in alsa |
| 05:26.48 | jm_ | tvn: it probably writes directly to tty |
| 05:26.53 | wols | ethics: if it's in the kernel package but it doesn't overwrite, delete/mv the old initrd to some other place |
| 05:26.56 | raf256 | where can I set the "nice" level of apache (and php) processes? |
| 05:27.00 | jasoncohen | 1.3.0 was just a security/bugfix release of 1.2.1 and came out a few weeks after 1.2.1 |
| 05:27.01 | jm_ | jasoncohen: that means the fix has to be backported first |
| 05:27.01 | wols | ethics: then reinstall the debian kernel |
| 05:27.23 | wols | raf256: only way is writing a script and getting the PID then renicing it there I guess |
| 05:27.28 | jasoncohen | jm_, don't all security fixes have to be backported for stable? |
| 05:27.51 | tvn | jm_: no way save its output to a file ? |
| 05:27.55 | jm_ | jasoncohen: yes, there are very very few that don't |
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| 05:28.09 | jasoncohen | jm_, how long does it usually take to backport? |
| 05:28.11 | mwilson | jasoncohen: So your whole argument boils down to "it isn't happening fast enough for me?" |
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| 05:28.21 | jm_ | tvn: script foo; time mycommand; exit |
| 05:28.23 | liz4rd | I COMMAND YOU ALL TO UPLOAD YOUR SCREENSHOTS TO http://irclikelife.com/liz4rd/upload/ username: public password: user ^_^ |
| 05:28.43 | raf256 | wols: that sucks ass |
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| 05:28.45 | deadcat | kick him |
| 05:28.51 | jasoncohen | mwilson, i'm not making an argument. I simply asking why it hadn't gone in yet. I'm fairly new to debian. |
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| 05:28.57 | raf256 | cant xindet be used to this? |
| 05:28.57 | jm_ | jasoncohen: it depends on the complexity of the backport |
| 05:29.00 | raf256 | deadcat: kick who? |
| 05:29.05 | bob2 | liz4rd: please don't be annoying like that |
| 05:29.06 | deadcat | raf256: liz4rd . |
| 05:29.11 | raf256 | oh |
| 05:29.16 | liz4rd | lol |
| 05:29.17 | wols | raf256: man start-stop-daemon |
| 05:29.17 | mwilson | jasoncohen: And I ask you again, has it gone in anywhere else? |
| 05:29.24 | wols | raf256: then search for "nicelevel" |
| 05:29.33 | JeffH | bob: I'll try that.. I'm working with a limited tool set on one side though. |
| 05:29.33 | ethics | isnt there a mkinird command? |
| 05:29.34 | liz4rd | its just for the shits and giggles |
| 05:29.42 | wols | raf256: so I guess you can edit the /etc/init.d/apache2 script |
| 05:29.44 | liz4rd | upload them so everyone can see |
| 05:29.51 | raf256 | speaking of deamons, |
| 05:29.52 | wols | ethics: there is |
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| 05:30.07 | raf256 | there always are two! |
| 05:30.08 | ethics | working on it... |
| 05:30.15 | JeffH | doesn't look like I h ave the ssh-copy-id |
| 05:30.16 | wols | raf256: two what? |
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| 05:30.44 | jm_ | tvn: ahh no it writes to stderr |
| 05:30.59 | tarzeau | !solaris is also http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152676&cid=12814224 |
| 05:30.59 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 05:31.00 | jasoncohen | mwilson, hmm- just checked mandrake, fedora and ubuntu- only mandrake added it |
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| 05:31.18 | raf256 | Wols: There alway are two. A master and apprentice |
| 05:31.28 | raf256 | If bush is the master, who ise the apprentice O_o |
| 05:31.37 | tarzeau | jm_: damn of course the moron if [ shit didn't work, as it's csh.login .. i had to use if ( yuck! |
| 05:31.38 | mwilson | Rumsfeld. |
| 05:31.42 | raf256 | mwilson: \o/ |
| 05:32.00 | jm_ | tvn: /usr/bin/time that is, shell-builtins don't do it like that |
| 05:32.05 | wols | mwilson: you got it wrong. bush is the ape and rumsfeld is the handler |
| 05:32.08 | wols | didn't you know that? |
| 05:34.21 | jm_ | tvn: hmm this is odd, it looks like it has some sort of special handling for it, because bash also writes the info to stderr, but redirection doesn't work for it, so just use /usr/bin/time |
| 05:34.51 | jm_ | I guess it prints the info after the command is done with so redirection applies to command only |
| 05:34.55 | tvn | jm_: it doesn't take the -a or -o flag as described in the man page (even using /usr/bin/time) |
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| 05:35.32 | jm_ | tvn: it does, but you're not calling /usr/bin/time but the shell built-in |
| 05:35.36 | sshock | hey all, does anyone know what happened to sid in ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ ? |
| 05:35.50 | jasoncohen | jm_, i noticed that some packages got extremely difficult to patch. the mozilla version in woody for example was so old that the debian maintainers didn't know how to patch the security fixes or whether some of the vulnerabilities existed on the old version |
| 05:35.54 | bob2 | sshock: /topic |
| 05:36.02 | jasoncohen | when that happens shouldn't a newer version be placed into stable? |
| 05:36.16 | bob2 | I think that's a good sign stable releases are too far apart |
| 05:36.20 | jm_ | jasoncohen: indeed, that can be a problem when the version in stable is much older than the one the fix was made for by its authors |
| 05:36.45 | jm_ | jasoncohen: I think that was one of the reasons mozilla was replaced with a newer version in Woody |
| 05:36.55 | jasoncohen | it was? |
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| 05:36.58 | sshock | Hmmm, I must just be confused because I thought sid was sid |
| 05:36.58 | jm_ | it was |
| 05:37.00 | mwilson | Yet another clueless unstable user. |
| 05:37.08 | sshock | sounds like sid always == unstable ??? |
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| 05:37.18 | bob2 | sshock: yes, indeed |
| 05:37.26 | mwilson | sshock: Uh, well, yeah... as documented. |
| 05:37.33 | sshock | ok, i'm dumb |
| 05:37.35 | dx11101 | whats the situation with debian and NTFS |
| 05:37.39 | mwilson | We noticed. |
| 05:37.39 | dx11101 | can it write NTFS yet |
| 05:37.44 | bob2 | dx11101: same as every other linux-based system |
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| 05:37.50 | mwilson | dx11101: Of course not. |
| 05:37.53 | bob2 | dx11101: not safely, unless you use captive-ntfs |
| 05:38.01 | mwilson | Isn't captive-ntfs dead? |
| 05:38.01 | exobyte | I want to make a iptables rule that intercepts port 80 requests and forwards them to localhost. I want a captive portal setup |
| 05:38.04 | dx11101 | not safely meaning |
| 05:38.06 | bob2 | I'd hope so |
| 05:38.19 | bob2 | dx11101: meaning it will refuse to, and trash the partition if you force it |
| 05:38.23 | mwilson | exobyte: I did that easily with pf. :) |
| 05:38.33 | wols | dx11101: meaning it will eat your NTFS partition |
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| 05:39.07 | dx11101 | whats keeping linux from writing to ntfs |
| 05:39.12 | wols | dx11101: if you need write support use captive-ntfs, but use it sparingly. It's no way good for day2day usage |
| 05:39.18 | bob2 | dx11101: the fact there is no documentation for it |
| 05:39.20 | wols | dx11101: documentation |
| 05:39.21 | mwilson | dx11101: Documentation of how to do it. |
| 05:39.23 | bob2 | and MS keeps chaning the format |
| 05:39.26 | dx11101 | ahh |
| 05:39.37 | bob2 | I'm almost certain nt4 can't read xp ntfs |
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| 05:40.03 | dx11101 | i think its a whole different ntfs version between nt4 and xp |
| 05:40.22 | dx11101 | is ext3 better then ntfs |
| 05:40.24 | mwilson | Why do cluebies always think it's so important to be able to write ntfs? |
| 05:40.29 | wols | exobyte: follwing is forwards port 5900 to inside the LAN: |
| 05:40.30 | wols | /sbin/iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i ppp0 --dport 5900 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.2:5900 |
| 05:40.33 | wols | /sbin/iptables -I FORWARD -t filter -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT |
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| 05:40.36 | bob2 | dx11101: in some ways |
| 05:40.46 | _root_ | is there any benefit if the login shell for a root user is static ? |
| 05:40.52 | wols | mwilson: it would be convenient |
| 05:41.02 | dx11101 | does linux have a response to that winFS crap |
| 05:41.04 | mwilson | wols: Not particularly. |
| 05:41.11 | exobyte | wols: ok, thx.. |
| 05:41.15 | wols | mwilson: are you dualbooting? |
| 05:41.27 | mwilson | wols: On my thinkpad, I am. |
| 05:41.33 | wols | dx11101: it probably prevents LD_PRELOAD tricks |
| 05:41.35 | bob2 | dx11101: reiser4 goes well beyond what winfs claims to do |
| 05:41.40 | jm_ | jasoncohen: maybe I remember it incorrectly and that happened in Potato |
| 05:41.47 | bob2 | but integrating that stuff into the filesystem is stupid |
| 05:41.49 | mwilson | wols: Why do you ask? |
| 05:41.53 | wols | mwilson: for dualbooting it would be nice imho |
| 05:41.59 | dx11101 | is reiser4 and option in debian setup? |
| 05:42.01 | bob2 | and just part of MS's "omg let's throw stuff in the kernel" mentality |
| 05:42.03 | bob2 | dx11101: no |
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| 05:42.21 | Stereo | hi, I just received an email that says "FAILED SMART self-check. BACK UP DATA NOW!" from smartd. After backing up the disk, I did a smartctl -H /dev/hdb and it says the disk passed. I'm now doing an extended test, but what should I do if the test comes back negative? |
| 05:42.33 | mwilson | wols: For cluebies it is... intelligent people merely use a flash drive or make a smal partition both OS's can read. |
| 05:42.55 | dx11101 | the death of windows is coming |
| 05:43.02 | mwilson | dx11101: Unlikely. |
| 05:43.03 | wols | mwilson: harddisks are never big enough, they're always filled to capacity |
| 05:43.18 | dx11101 | one day |
| 05:43.19 | mwilson | wols: Except that they're not, of course. |
| 05:43.27 | wols | so if I have some free space on linux or some free space on windows, it would be nice to dump files from the other OS to ir |
| 05:43.33 | exobyte | wols: what happens if I set the dest. to 127.0.0.1? |
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| 05:43.56 | wols | exobyte: then it redirects to 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:44.08 | dx11101 | what you guys think about the whole apple switch to x86 |
| 05:44.11 | exobyte | wols: and if the www server is there, it works? |
| 05:44.13 | wols | exobyte: by why bother? by default apache listens on all interfaces |
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| 05:44.23 | dx11101 | i read their maybe a x86 version of 10 tiger coming |
| 05:44.38 | wols | dx11101: not maybe. it's a fact. but who cares? |
| 05:44.43 | exobyte | wols: well, I still have to direct it to some ip, and that one WILL be local |
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| 05:45.20 | wols | exobyte: just start apache and it will listen on the outside port. no problem. and definitely no need to port redirect |
| 05:45.33 | dbernar1 | !hi |
| 05:45.33 | dpkg | hello, dbernar1 |
| 05:45.45 | mwilson | exobyte: rdr on $int_if proto tcp from !<allowed_out> to any port 80 -> 127.0.0.1 port 8080 |
| 05:45.50 | JeffH | can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? on my windows machine in a bash window I type 'ssh-keygen -t rsa -P ""' and tell it a path to put my key.. I then take the public key over to my linux machine and add it to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys then type 'ssh jeff@fastback' it says the authenticity of fastback can't be established and asks if I want to conttinue.. I type 'yes' and it prompts me for jeff@fastback's password. |
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| 05:45.57 | wols | and your box will be as vulnerable if it port forwards and "only listens on local" as if it listens on all interfaces. no difference there |
| 05:45.59 | concept10 | I want to learn the main differences between Red Hat and Debian besides the package management systems. Anyone have a good source for that |
| 05:46.15 | tvn | jm_: got it , thanks ..... /usr/bin/time "%E real\n user\n%S sys" cmd did the job |
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| 05:46.59 | paivakil | concept10: read the dfsg |
| 05:47.01 | exobyte | mwilson: would changing the last port to 80 screw anything up (like make a loop)(shouldn't, 127.0.0.1 isn't on $int_if) |
| 05:47.29 | sshock | aha, "etch" is what I was looking for, the name of the next release of debian |
| 05:47.30 | concept10 | paivakil, whats that? |
| 05:47.44 | Epod69 | what is a command to test my sound ? |
| 05:47.54 | wols | concept10: ask google |
| 05:47.58 | mwilson | exobyte: I imagine it would work... I haven't had any reason to try. You DO realise that's pf, not iptables, yes? |
| 05:48.05 | exobyte | mwilson: I just did |
| 05:48.06 | trave11er | JeffH: try ssh -v to your linux box, it will give some extra info. most probably the permissions on ~/.ssh or ~/.ssh/authorized_keys are screwed up |
| 05:48.11 | concept10 | wols, thanks for the great help |
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| 05:48.18 | exobyte | mwilson: I thought it looked a little like pf syntax |
| 05:48.22 | exobyte | (easy) |
| 05:48.38 | wols | exobyte: I still don't get why you would want to do it. care to enlighten me? |
| 05:48.48 | paivakil | concept10: Debian Free Software Guidelines |
| 05:49.13 | mwilson | wols: I do it to redirect non-internet-accessible machines to a web page tellling them they can't access the internet. :) |
| 05:49.14 | exobyte | wols: tell wireless users that they need a pptp login to do anything |
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| 05:49.26 | concept10 | paivakil, http://www.dfsg.org/ |
| 05:49.36 | JeffH | trave11er: all it gives me is the version # then a usage statement. |
| 05:49.46 | exobyte | mwilson: would you agree that pf is better than iptables? |
| 05:49.53 | wols | concept10: first thing I get from google is debian.org |
| 05:49.54 | concept10 | kinda funny |
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| 05:49.59 | trave11er | JeffH: i mean ssh -v user@host |
| 05:50.05 | JeffH | ooh.. duh. |
| 05:50.11 | mwilson | exobyte: No, I would not agree with that, nor would I deny it. I'm not qualified to say one way or the other. |
| 05:50.21 | wols | JeffH: putty has a good helpfile showing how to do what you want |
| 05:50.29 | concept10 | wols, I got it, the second link was just funny |
| 05:50.53 | paivakil | concept10: also, have a look at http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 05:50.54 | exobyte | mwilson: damn. theo hate you. theo hates me. theo hates #debian |
| 05:50.59 | Epod69 | i get an error saying /dev/dsp is already in use by another program, what should i do ? |
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| 05:51.14 | exobyte | mwilson: someone who worked for sun said working with theo sucks |
| 05:51.17 | JeffH | wols: I'll take a look at that. thanks. |
| 05:51.21 | paivakil | concept10: you *will* have to googl for equivalent info about RH, though |
| 05:51.29 | mwilson | exobyte: Somehow I doubt Theo hates me... I bought the last two releases of oBSD on CD and fully plan to buy the next. |
| 05:51.36 | JeffH | trave11er: no apparent errors. |
| 05:51.45 | concept10 | thats not exactly what I had in mind. I mean more about the different boot processes, directory structure ... but thanks anyway |
| 05:51.49 | wols | Epod69: alsa doesn't use /dev/dsp normally. and you should kill your sound-daemon. kde and gnome usually both have one of those crappy things |
| 05:51.51 | mwilson | exobyte: Oh... and by the way... all three BSD's incorporate pf now. |
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| 05:51.56 | exobyte | mwilson: well, he likes your money. |
| 05:52.03 | exobyte | mwilson: free better than net |
| 05:52.12 | mwilson | exobyte: If you say so. |
| 05:52.15 | trave11er | JeffH: does not mentions .ssh or authorized_keys anywhere? |
| 05:52.19 | Epod69 | wols, i did |
| 05:52.36 | wols | Epod69: then run lsof and check what is hogging /dev/dsp |
| 05:52.54 | jasoncohen | is it possible that a distribution could have security issues in its older version of a package that was unknowingly fixed in a later version. For example both Mandriva and Fedora reported security issues with openssl 0.9.7a (CAN-2005-0109) but there's nothing in the openssl-announce list about the problem or in the changelogs |
| 05:53.05 | exobyte | mwilson: I avoid using linux for routing because of iptables. pf is signifigantly easier, but the openbsd mailing list makes me feel cheap for not supporting them |
| 05:53.06 | JeffH | trave11er: no mention of authorized_keys |
| 05:53.19 | jasoncohen | sarge uses openssl 0.9.7e-3 |
| 05:53.19 | Epod69 | wols, my bad, esd was running, i dont have it enabled though..whats with that? |
| 05:53.27 | mwilson | exobyte: <shrug> Then either don't read it, or buy some CD's |
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| 05:53.54 | exobyte | mwilson: I unsubscribed. I guess I owe him ONE cd |
| 05:54.04 | dx11101 | does linux support SLI yet |
| 05:54.15 | dx11101 | i mean |
| 05:54.24 | dx11101 | does nvidia support SLI in linux yet |
| 05:54.32 | exobyte | lol |
| 05:55.03 | dx11101 | lol? |
| 05:55.05 | trave11er | JeffH: do something like chmod -R 700 .ssh |
| 05:55.07 | exobyte | while debian is considered a distro, the work done is mainly assembling the userland, right? |
| 05:55.14 | trave11er | on the linux side |
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| 05:56.07 | nvz | dx11101: goto nvidia.com and read the docs for their drivers ffs, this is #debian not #nvidia |
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| 05:56.53 | nvz | caravena... I like that |
| 05:57.35 | Epod69 | well, alsa doesnt seem to be working cause im getting no sound =( |
| 05:57.53 | Agrajag- | gday. i want to benchmark some pages served by apache, using ab/jmeter/whatever - that's fine, it tells me how many users it can handle. but what tool can i use to watch cpu/memory info about apache processes during this time? sort of like vmstat - but if it happened to draw pretty graphs for me to point at and say 'hey look cpu is fine but memory is running out' that'd be nice |
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| 05:58.33 | jm_ | Agrajag-: use ps or vmstat to grab data, then make graphs later on |
| 05:58.47 | mwilson | exobyte: I'm going to be playing with g4u in the next few days... looks interesting. We'll be imaging a few XP boxen, a few 98 boxen, an ME box, and a few various 'nix boxen. |
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| 05:59.13 | Agrajag- | jm_: hmm ok |
| 05:59.16 | JeffH | trave11er: I do see a line that says 'Authentications that can continue: publickey, password,keyboard-interactive' 'Next authentication method publickey' |
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| 06:00.04 | hejux | hi!how to config to let "ls" show hide files and color ? |
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| 06:00.42 | jm_ | hejux: how about you edit your ~/.bash_profile? |
| 06:00.45 | trave11er | JeffH: so chmod did not help? |
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| 06:00.47 | mrfrenzy | hejux: have you tried 'man ls' |
| 06:00.55 | jm_ | and bashrc while at it |
| 06:01.07 | mwilson | jm_: But he thinks someone should tell him what to put in it, so he doesn't have to read anything. |
| 06:01.19 | jm_ | mwilson: it's already there by default ;) |
| 06:01.27 | bucky | just uncomment it |
| 06:01.34 | hugl | heya, using : "use hosting; select dir from users where user='test';" gives me : "test.okelias.lt". is there any way to insert some text into this rezulnt insside mysql? |
| 06:01.34 | hejux | alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 06:01.34 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.35 | mwilson | jm_: But he'd have to read it in order to know that. |
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| 06:01.45 | jm_ | mwilson: indeed |
| 06:01.52 | hejux | jm is it like that ? |
| 06:01.55 | mdh | Agrajag-: you could use cricket/mrtg/rrdtool et al to graph stuff |
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| 06:02.00 | jm_ | hejux: yes |
| 06:02.11 | JeffH | trave11er: no |
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| 06:02.20 | mdh | Agrajag-: or simply watch it all live in 'top' |
| 06:02.27 | trave11er | JeffH: well, i don't know then, sorry |
| 06:02.39 | jm_ | yeah, should be trivial to use munin to make graphs for various resources apache processes use |
| 06:02.43 | Agrajag- | mdh: yeah.. i was just wondering if someone happened to know of a tool that made things a bit easier |
| 06:03.52 | hejux | jm_: alias ls='ls --color=auto' show color ,and alias ls='ls -a --color=auto' show hide and color ? |
| 06:04.09 | jm_ | hejux: very much so, try man ls |
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| 06:04.59 | hejux | man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 06:05.21 | ethics | this ide cd problem is starting to shit me 8( |
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| 06:08.26 | hthoeny | hi all |
| 06:08.33 | hthoeny | somone can help me ? |
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| 06:09.37 | hejux | it is 2:11 in USA ,you are sleepy |
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| 06:11.25 | ugly | I'm curious about the mindset of those who join the channel asking, "Can someone help me?" Does this person genuinely believe that the channel is filled with 'linux g0dz' that have the answers to every possible question that could be asked? Surely the complexity and vast number of possible questions would clue them in, but alas, I give humanity too much credit. |
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| 06:13.57 | bucky | !ask |
| 06:13.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 06:16.30 | ethics | bugger i think i just worked out my ide-cd issue.......no fix from debian as of yet hehehe...recompile i must apparently |
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| 06:17.22 | nixnub | evening all |
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| 06:18.03 | paivakil | ethics: sorry for asking, but what exactly is th solution? |
| 06:19.04 | nixnub | anyone know how to fix the openGL bug in sarge? |
| 06:19.13 | nixnub | is it hardware acceleration? |
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| 06:19.25 | nixnub | wait |
| 06:19.34 | ethics | paivakil, recompile support via kernel it seems so far...im testing but it worked the rfirst time...its weird the problem only appears if you swap a particular bunch of things into a compiled kernel and then want to move back....something in the installer works but its not configable once installed it seems |
| 06:19.46 | Moonscope | iptables question, is forwarding setup by default when using iptables or does it need to be setup so any internal connection can get to the internet ? and what is the command to forward all requests on eth0? |
| 06:19.56 | ethics | paivakil, seems my problem matches a bugreport iff you remove Dell from the sentences |
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| 06:20.47 | ethics | Moonscope ned to set it up i beleive and use something like firestarter till you get to something hard |
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| 06:21.36 | wols | Moonscope: you mean /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
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| 06:22.00 | Raa | how do i change the time in debian so that it runs by the system clock and not my a time server? |
| 06:22.00 | wols | if you use ipmasq it is all done for you already |
| 06:22.11 | Moonscope | well, ive done an iptables script, but it doesnt seem to be forwarding anything, how do i set it up? |
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| 06:22.34 | Moonscope | i dont want to use any scripts or anything, i wanna know how to set it up as i have iptables all working fine, but just not this part. |
| 06:22.40 | wols | Raa: hwclock |
| 06:22.42 | jm_ | Moonscope: read docs on netfilter.samba.org and http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
| 06:23.02 | wols | Moonscope: it's not iptables, it's a /proc variable |
| 06:23.06 | wols | echo 1 to the file |
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| 06:23.21 | jm_ | that can be set in /etc/default/networking |
| 06:23.23 | nixnub | would I need to recompile my kernal from source to get hardware acceleration? I used the kde installer to upgrade this kernal. |
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| 06:23.41 | wols | nixnub: hardware acceleration for what? |
| 06:23.45 | jm_ | actually no, /etc/network/options :) |
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| 06:23.55 | mdh | Moonscope: and if you need to NAT you'll need an appropriate iptables rule in the POSTROUTING chain of the nat table |
| 06:23.57 | nixnub | opengl errors |
| 06:24.02 | Moonscope | wols: it is already set to 1 |
| 06:24.07 | nixnub | nvidia card, sorry |
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| 06:24.26 | wols | Moonscope: do you know that your iptables script is bug free? |
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| 06:24.33 | Moonscope | mdh: if it is outgoing data, should it be nat? |
| 06:24.42 | wols | nixnub: no. all you need are the kernel-headers for your running kernel |
| 06:24.51 | Moonscope | wols: it works for everything else.... does it have to nat for internet sharing for a LAN? |
| 06:24.51 | wols | nixnub: then the nvidia installer should work fine |
| 06:25.01 | Raa | wols: if i use hwclock --set what format do i need to set after that? |
| 06:25.06 | mdh | Moonscope: it depends. I had to NAT traffic through one machine here that had two vpn links out of it - the tun interfaces weren't accepting non-local traffic |
| 06:25.14 | tiger1020x | how can i make a custom kernel image from kernel source ? |
| 06:25.17 | nixnub | ok, I compiled the driver with the correct headers, is hardware acceleration a compile option? |
| 06:25.34 | wols | Raa: you haven't read the manpage |
| 06:25.46 | mdh | Moonscope: if you only get one IP on the internet side, yes |
| 06:26.01 | wols | tiger1020x: newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 06:26.20 | wols | Moonscope: which is why I told you to use ipmasq. lot less hassle this way |
| 06:26.22 | nixnub | the only error I've noticed with open gl is on enemy territory |
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| 06:26.38 | nixnub | but this is also the first opengl game I've tried to run |
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| 06:27.21 | JeffH | where does sshd write logs to? |
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| 06:28.01 | Hey | I would like to know what happened, who can I talk to about me being throw out , portscan and banned |
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| 06:28.19 | am88b | JeffH: auth.log ? |
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| 06:29.31 | Hey | I am talking about this two lines: |
| 06:29.32 | Hey | remarks: If you see portscans from 82.96.96.3 |
| 06:29.32 | Hey | remarks: Please read http://freenode.net/policies.shtml#proxies |
| 06:29.45 | Raa | wols: i got the right syntax correct. but when i set it, the time saves. but when i run "date" it is 3 minutes apart. whats the difference? if this the hardware clock versus the system clock? |
| 06:29.48 | jm_ | haha |
| 06:29.54 | mdh | Moonscope: there's a gazillion packages in Debian that provide basic iptables-based firewalling and NAT. check them out. |
| 06:29.54 | wols | Hey: then maybe you should do what this friendly message tells you instead of pestering us here? |
| 06:30.07 | jm_ | Hey: that's not Debian related, read text on that URL |
| 06:30.12 | wols | Raa: system clock != hardware clock |
| 06:30.17 | Moonscope | mdh: but i want to learn how to do it from scratch, so i can configure and monitor it myself, |
| 06:30.24 | Moonscope | Raa = smells |
| 06:30.25 | floppyears | hi |
| 06:30.26 | Hey | no but I was idling here before I got thrown out |
| 06:30.31 | Hey | so I would like to know why |
| 06:30.35 | wols | system: clock inside the kernel. hardware = clock in a chip in your PC |
| 06:30.38 | mrfrenzy | Hey: READ |
| 06:30.39 | floppyears | could somebody explain me how does xen work with the new kernel or how to use it ? |
| 06:30.58 | jm_ | uhm that could mean your connection died or your client failed to respond to PING request |
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| 06:31.34 | Raa | wols: so date is showing the time from the chip in the PC? |
| 06:31.56 | mdh | Moonscope: and reading other examples of how to do it is going to stop you learning... how? |
| 06:32.05 | wols | Raa: ask "man date" not me |
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| 06:32.18 | Moonscope | mdh: cause i learn by doing, not by looking |
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| 06:32.46 | wols | Moonscope: us telling you what's wrong isn't "doing" either. it just means you look at what we tell you. got it? |
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| 06:33.10 | bob2 | Azar: no one threw you out of here |
| 06:33.18 | bob2 | Azar: if freenode threw you off the network, talk to them |
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| 06:34.00 | Moonscope | wols: i understand that, but i have just learned about the ip_forward file, and also about POSTROUTING, so i have learnt by trying to fix this problem, if all i did was use scripts and interfaces to setup everything i wouldnt know how to properly do it. |
| 06:34.01 | Azar | bob2 six hours ago I got jammed (ddos) while here, then this evening I found myself out, with my nick frozen |
| 06:34.09 | mdh | /wallops which one of you freaks kicked me out, mongrels! |
| 06:34.12 | jm_ | that could be added to irritate factoid - hey fuckers why are you portscanning me when i join #debian |
| 06:34.12 | Azar | maybe is not here but portscans came from the server here |
| 06:34.19 | bob2 | Azar: so, freenode's fault |
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| 06:34.24 | Azar | no |
| 06:34.27 | Azar | I do not say that |
| 06:34.32 | Brainbug | Help please, I just installed Debian Sarge but I'm having trouble entering the graphical interface. It says something about my touchpad. Could someone please tell me how do I get back to the mouse configuration area, or wich file do I have to edit? |
| 06:34.36 | Azar | someone having fun |
| 06:34.38 | mrfrenzy | cmd |
| 06:34.52 | directhex | !drxx Brainbug |
| 06:34.53 | dpkg | Brainbug: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 06:35.17 | Brainbug | !drxx |
| 06:35.17 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 06:35.19 | Loren | when does debain switch to x.org |
| 06:35.32 | tarzeau | Loren: /msg dpkg wir |
| 06:35.34 | Azar | ...unless freenode started a scanning for proxies policy that I was not aware of until now |
| 06:35.36 | tarzeau | !debain |
| 06:35.37 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 06:35.51 | bob2 | Azar: yes, they do scan for open proxies |
| 06:35.56 | wols | Azar: an irc server probing some proxy ports is not them "having fun". before you run portsentry or somesuch, please learn how to use it |
| 06:35.58 | JeffH | where does ssh look for the authorized_keys file? |
| 06:36.06 | directhex | Loren, when they get around to it. i think the original plan was to wait for modular xorg, but that'll be a long wait |
| 06:36.25 | wols | Azar: if you had read what we told you 3 times by now, then yes you would have seen that freenode scans for proxies |
| 06:36.26 | mdh | Azar: you mean the policy that's been in the server motd for at least 3 years now? |
| 06:36.27 | jm_ | JeffH: man ssh |
| 06:36.31 | paivakil | jm_: freenode has a policy of portscanning you |
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| 06:36.40 | bob2 | JeffH: ~/.ssh/ |
| 06:36.43 | paivakil | when you sign up to ensure that you are not running an open proxy |
| 06:36.45 | Loren | directhex: yeah i remember reading when something like that happened |
| 06:36.47 | wols | JeffH: ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 06:36.48 | jm_ | paivakil: yes, but why are you telling me? |
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| 06:36.51 | bucky | Azar, it tells you that in the /server window when you log on |
| 06:36.57 | Azar | wols is first time I see scans from freenode, |
| 06:37.10 | paivakil | jm_: thought you asked why freenode is portscanning you? |
| 06:37.12 | Azar | bucky unfortunately I do not get such messages at login |
| 06:37.20 | jm_ | paivakil: naah, Azar |
| 06:37.26 | wols | Azar: and this isn't the first time I meet someone who is to dense to read. |
| 06:37.26 | jm_ | then fix your client |
| 06:37.26 | paivakil | oh. sorry |
| 06:37.28 | Loren | curious though, why isn't debian more graphically orientated, even the slightest bit and all that fame wouldn't have gone to distro's based off them |
| 06:37.35 | Azar | I should configure irssi to get these messages |
| 06:37.47 | Loren | imo i origonall saw Progeny Debian and thought they worked together or something and was like damn, this is great for debiaan |
| 06:37.48 | mdh | Azar: my irssi does it by default |
| 06:38.01 | mrfrenzy | Loren: try RedHat |
| 06:38.02 | Azar | mine does not... I will configure |
| 06:38.16 | wols | Loren: ubuntu still works together with debian |
| 06:38.23 | Loren | mrfrenzy: i've tried 20 distros, redhat is erm, overbloated with crap :) |
| 06:38.33 | gpfreitas | Has anyone reported problems with jigdo-build DVD iso images? |
| 06:38.45 | Loren | wols: until debian discontinued their apt service for the non-debian signatured distros |
| 06:38.48 | mrfrenzy | Loren, I can't agree more :D but you were talking like a redhat user, really |
| 06:38.53 | Loren | wols: ubuntu is great though |
| 06:39.02 | mdh | Loren: you put 3 too many words there between "redhat is" and "crap" |
| 06:39.08 | tvn | what's the command or utility to read an appending log ? i.e the log has data appending |
| 06:39.16 | wols | Loren: I don't run ubuntu, but isn't their "multiverse" just a debian repository? |
| 06:39.17 | Loren | mrfrenzy: haha it's all good ;) yes redhat is garbade, RPM is inferior |
| 06:39.26 | jm_ | tvn: tail, less, ... |
| 06:39.30 | gpfreitas | My problem: apt-cdrom add tells /etc/apt/sources.list that my dvd is from the unstable branch. |
| 06:39.37 | wols | tvn: tail -f ... |
| 06:39.40 | gpfreitas | Anyone reported something like that? |
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| 06:39.51 | Loren | wols: probably, from the top of what i knew debian official stopped supporting and i think ubuntu picked that end up |
| 06:39.56 | tvn | oh ok ... thanks ... I believe tail is the what I am looking for |
| 06:40.00 | dx11101 | i have a really n00b question |
| 06:40.04 | nvz | gpfreitas: its fine |
| 06:40.04 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 06:40.05 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 06:40.05 | dx11101 | what is sid |
| 06:40.10 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 06:40.11 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 06:40.24 | Loren | curious, debian users obviously like gnome better, and im curious as to why |
| 06:40.26 | tarzeau | dx11101: do you ever read /topic ? |
| 06:40.29 | Loren | it suits them better? |
| 06:40.31 | tarzeau | Loren: no they don't |
| 06:40.35 | tarzeau | Loren: no it doesn't |
| 06:40.36 | Loren | they dont? 0_o |
| 06:40.42 | mrfrenzy | Loren: I prefer fluxbox |
| 06:40.44 | tarzeau | Loren: i use GNUstep |
| 06:40.46 | Loren | ah |
| 06:40.51 | mdh | !start a wm flamewar |
| 06:40.54 | nvz | gpfreitas: it does that even with the offical cd ISOs when you add them |
| 06:41.02 | Loren | !start = 1 |
| 06:41.02 | wols | Loren: it's sort of tradition, since at first kde was considered non free due to reliance on a (back then) unfree library: Qt |
| 06:41.04 | tarzeau | Loren: apt-get install gnustep wmaker |
| 06:41.06 | jm_ | !start a wm war |
| 06:41.06 | dpkg | GNOME blows! |
| 06:41.07 | gpfreitas | nvz: why? |
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| 06:41.20 | mdh | so close, and yet so far... ;) |
| 06:41.33 | nvz | gpfreitas: I have no idea, but its a non-issue it in no way what so ever effects the software in any way |
| 06:41.36 | tvn | tarzeau: a faithful wmaker user :P |
| 06:41.38 | Loren | tarzeau: nice, i was considering using fluxbox it looked pretty interesting, and GNUStep doesn't look that great to me, it'd be ok for basic stuff i'd think |
| 06:41.44 | forced | Loren, I use gnome... not because it's favored by the distro or others either. I just personally like it better. |
| 06:41.53 | nvz | gpfreitas: if you are concerned, check the bts, and if its not been reported, file a bug |
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| 06:42.10 | gpfreitas | nvz: I know, but it is strange. |
| 06:42.11 | mdh | Loren: I like pekwm, I can send you a source pkg if you want |
| 06:42.17 | Loren | forced: really? hmmh, doesn't it bother you though that things look like they were made 10 years ago |
| 06:42.21 | Loren | lolz |
| 06:42.32 | Loren | tarzeau: i was really wanting to try XFCE though, anything special |
| 06:42.44 | tarzeau | Loren: xfce is ugly if you ask me |
| 06:42.44 | forced | Loren, Doesn't bother me tbh. |
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| 06:42.46 | Loren | anything speical about it i should know |
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| 06:42.56 | gpfreitas | nvz: Was it like that with woody? |
| 06:42.57 | Loren | forced: you prolly adapt to it |
| 06:43.01 | mdh | Loren: get the unofficial packages |
| 06:43.13 | Loren | forced: ever since gnome-look.org came out i considered gnome as a viable alternative again |
| 06:43.21 | forced | Loren, Or maybe it's because I don't like clutter/over indulgence and often times simplicity is a god send in visuals. |
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| 06:43.26 | tvn | Loren: use any wm that allows you to open a x terminal then run screen and run apps by typing in their names |
| 06:43.33 | Loren | tarzeau: yeah? hmmh, i'll keep it in mind, it does look erm like win95 :) |
| 06:43.36 | mdh | ion3 |
| 06:43.43 | Loren | mdh: what packages |
| 06:43.44 | forced | Loren, If you're picking a WM based solely upon its appearance, you're choosing it for the wrong reasons. :/ |
| 06:44.06 | Tuxico | mode troll on : openbox powaa |
| 06:44.06 | Loren | forced: i agree with you there, KDE has 20 different functions that do the same thing lol, i think they're working on cleaning htat up |
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| 06:44.21 | Loren | tvn: really? hmmh |
| 06:44.24 | nvz | gpfreitas: ok wait.. I think I do know wht |
| 06:44.27 | nvz | why even |
| 06:44.30 | mdh | Loren: http://www.os-works.com/debian (xfce 4.2) |
| 06:44.30 | Loren | tvm: so you dont even need the Desktop Environment? or erm |
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| 06:44.50 | Loren | forced: i choose it for usability |
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| 06:45.06 | forced | Loren, Then why did you mention gnome's appearance? |
| 06:45.19 | Loren | forced: not to mention if it's not visually appealing it's going to create a lot of stress to those who are timid of code |
| 06:45.19 | forced | If you want to start a flame war, you're going to have to try harder. :) |
| 06:45.37 | gpfreitas | nvz: ok |
| 06:45.38 | Loren | forced: gnome-look.org has themes and stuff that makes it look better and nicer i guess lol |
| 06:45.43 | Loren | forced: it's the wronge reason |
| 06:45.54 | Azar | hey sorry, I had no idea why my nick was frozen... everything back to normal now, thanks |
| 06:46.08 | Loren | forced: i just wish that the linux community learned that nice looking sells, even if it's crap, if it's hte greates thing and looks not so good, erm not good |
| 06:46.16 | Loren | mdh: thanks for the link |
| 06:46.21 | nvz | gpfreitas: maybe not.. heh I was looking through some docs.. but I am not 100% positive yet even how it works.. I thought I was but it turns out I was wrong |
| 06:46.40 | forced | Loren, I think you're sorely misinformed about appearances selling. |
| 06:46.41 | nvz | gpfreitas: for a minute there I thought /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list was where it found the names, but thats where it stores them |
| 06:46.57 | Loren | forced: on certain levels |
| 06:47.01 | nvz | gpfreitas: note though that you can rename the disks, read the apt-cdrom manpage |
| 06:47.05 | Loren | forced: curious, what's your view |
| 06:47.06 | jm_ | it reads that from CD I think |
| 06:47.14 | forced | Loren, on? |
| 06:47.16 | mdh | Loren: you the interface that works for you. there's no harm (except a little bit of lost time) in trying them all out |
| 06:47.19 | tarzeau | Loren: tried www.linuks.mine.nu/jakub/ yet? |
| 06:47.24 | Loren | forced: apperances selling |
| 06:47.28 | forced | They don't. |
| 06:47.29 | mdh | s/you/use/ |
| 06:47.35 | nse | I think that different looks fits to different people, me myself prefer the GNOME look... much better than KDE's look, IMO. |
| 06:47.38 | Loren | i havn't gotten that far lol i kindof gave up lolz |
| 06:47.51 | Loren | tarzeau: bookmarks** |
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| 06:48.01 | nvz | jm_: he's worried that the sarge dvd ISOs he made say unstable. its probably something he did wrong with jigdo |
| 06:48.05 | Loren | mdh: exactly |
| 06:48.12 | Loren | mdh: i think so as well |
| 06:48.23 | nse | GNOME is well organized, KDE tries to go closer to windows appearence, that's just a adaptation issue.. |
| 06:48.33 | Loren | mdh: they all have their strengths and weaknesses and advantages and disadvantages, but having these things allows them to co-exist |
| 06:48.38 | floppyears | hi |
| 06:48.38 | gpfreitas | nvz: Yes, just changing unstable for stable might solve the problem... But it seems to be a problem with the stable dvd. |
| 06:48.40 | jm_ | nvz: could be, but it shouldn't be a big deal anyway |
| 06:48.44 | Loren | mdh: otherwise if there was a greatest there'd be no other competitor |
| 06:48.52 | tarzeau | nse: the file dialogs (save/load) are so braindead in gnome |
| 06:48.53 | floppyears | at what time does crond.daily run ? |
| 06:48.55 | Loren | mdh: competition is great for stimulation |
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| 06:49.02 | dx11101 | KDE doesnt look anything like windows to me |
| 06:49.07 | caphuso | floppyears: grep daily /etc/crontab |
| 06:49.07 | mdh | Loren: its more like everyone's brains work differently, therefore different environments work better for different people |
| 06:49.21 | Loren | mdh: hmmh i never though of it like that |
| 06:49.21 | gpfreitas | nvz: its no big deal for me, but I am curious why this happened. |
| 06:49.29 | Loren | mdh: yeah though, i would agree |
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| 06:49.43 | JeffH | if I want to connect from my linux box to my windows box via ssh, I put the linux box user's public key in the windows users authorized_keys, right? or is it the other way around? |
| 06:49.44 | Loren | mdh: photographors would like KDE better because it's easier for them |
| 06:49.49 | Loren | ...etc |
| 06:49.55 | gpfreitas | nvz: thd md5sums match, perfectly, how could be something I've done wrong with jigdo? |
| 06:49.57 | floppyears | caphuso: 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
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| 06:49.59 | jm_ | JeffH: yes |
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| 06:50.02 | Guerin | fuck's sake, what's the story on making your /etc/resolv.conf file not change when you get a new dhcp lease? |
| 06:50.10 | floppyears | caphuso: does that mean that it only runs on the 25th of every month at 6am ? |
| 06:50.10 | tarzeau | Guerin: heh |
| 06:50.11 | Loren | has anyone tried Progeny? |
| 06:50.17 | Guerin | i've seen this asked in here a million times before, but I can't remember it |
| 06:50.17 | tarzeau | Loren: yes, it's not debian |
| 06:50.17 | caphuso | floppyears: no |
| 06:50.18 | mdh | I'm still searching for the perfect one for me, and I've played an active development role in two well-known ones ;) |
| 06:50.22 | caphuso | floppyears: man 5 crontab |
| 06:50.25 | nse | tarzeau: I was speaking in terms of appearence, not in terms of how it works, that's the case i can't understand how they do so, yet.. do you agree? |
| 06:50.26 | JeffH | jm: do the user names have to be the same? |
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| 06:50.31 | floppyears | ok |
| 06:50.34 | Loren | tarzeau: meaning it's not officially supported right? |
| 06:50.40 | mdh | Guerin: run slackware |
| 06:50.40 | jm_ | JeffH: no |
| 06:50.41 | Guerin | tarzeau: my isp is poisoning their dns for me because they think I haven't paid my bill.... fools. |
| 06:50.44 | tarzeau | Loren: not here |
| 06:50.45 | viyyer | how do I use both testing and unstable repositories ? |
| 06:50.48 | Guerin | mdh: hahaha |
| 06:50.49 | Loren | tarzeau: i heard it was the first componentized distro? |
| 06:50.55 | JeffH | argg... so why isn't this working.. ugg |
| 06:50.56 | protocolX | Anybody knows How to mount the cd manually during net installatin of debian. |
| 06:50.56 | caphuso | floppyears: running only the 25th of every month would pretty much defeat the purpuse of running daily... |
| 06:50.57 | tarzeau | Loren: who cares? |
| 06:51.04 | JeffH | still asks me for my password. |
| 06:51.07 | Loren | tarzeau: no idea, what does that mean anyways? |
| 06:51.12 | caphuso | floppyears: geez, didn't you even bother to think about it for half a second? |
| 06:51.15 | floppyears | caphuso: I forgot that it also specified the hour and minute :) |
| 06:51.17 | jm_ | you need to debug things on Windows side |
| 06:51.23 | tarzeau | nse: i find the look as well as how it works cumbersome |
| 06:51.30 | Guerin | viyyer: if you have to ask how, you don't. |
| 06:51.33 | tarzeau | Loren: i have no idea |
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| 06:51.42 | floppyears | caphuso: I thought that maybe I could have messed it up just like any other setting |
| 06:51.50 | Loren | tarzeau: lolz, nice :) meh it's all good, thanks for the info |
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| 06:52.10 | nse | tarzeau: so, KDE is your choice? |
| 06:52.17 | tarzeau | nse: no way. GNUstep is |
| 06:52.28 | tarzeau | nse: and OPENSTEP (but that's not free software) |
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| 06:52.37 | nse | tarzeau: and what about KDE? |
| 06:52.43 | tarzeau | nse: same shit if you ask me |
| 06:52.44 | Guerin | nse: why do you think that gnome and kde are the only choices? |
| 06:52.55 | protocolX | Anybody knows How to mount the cd manually during net installatin of debian. |
| 06:53.00 | Guerin | nse: probably the bulk of people in here use NEITHER |
| 06:53.08 | jm_ | Guerin: you must configure your DHCP client to not do that, or maybe chattr resolv.conf |
| 06:53.11 | nse | Guerin: I don't, why do you think? |
| 06:53.29 | viyyer | Guerin, I don't get the point |
| 06:53.32 | Guerin | nse: because you presume that if someone doesn't use one, they must use the other, and don't even discuss others. |
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| 06:53.50 | mdh | Guerin: check /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/resolvconf |
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| 06:53.56 | tarzeau | jm_: how chattr? c, s, u options don't work since 2.2 kernel linux |
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| 06:54.25 | Guerin | viyyer: using unstable and mixing repositories is strictly 'if you can figure it out for yourself, you're skilled enough' territory. Go forth and read man apt_preferences |
| 06:54.28 | viyyer | Guerin, I've made changes to my sources.list. |
| 06:54.34 | jm_ | tarzeau: 'i' |
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| 06:54.37 | viyyer | thanks Guerin |
| 06:54.37 | gpfreitas | nvz: hey, thanks anyway. |
| 06:54.44 | Guerin | viyyer: and now you need to know how to NOT run unstable entirely. |
| 06:54.49 | jm_ | tarzeau: it's always better to configure DHCP client to not do it |
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| 06:54.53 | nse | Guerin: you must take off the weight of the words |
| 06:55.01 | Guerin | nse: must I? |
| 06:55.10 | tarzeau | jm_: true i agree. ah 'i' is nice |
| 06:55.13 | nse | Guerin: that's how your head works when you look to other peoples head.. |
| 06:55.35 | streuner_ | wtf? |
| 06:55.50 | mdh | nse: either you're speaking bad yoda, or bad english. I'm trying to work out which. |
| 06:55.57 | viyyer | Guerin, I just need a couple of packages from unstable. |
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| 06:56.03 | nvz | hehe |
| 06:56.11 | nse | Guerin: I was just asking opinions about KDE and GNOME, what does not means that those are the only ones i know, but as many people do so, you generalize the concept |
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| 06:56.42 | nse | mdh: sorry, i try to do my best.. :( |
| 06:56.49 | viyyer | I didn't know which fine do I provide the priorities testing and stable |
| 06:56.59 | nvz | I have a friend, I've grown up with and went to school with all my life, that used to be like a bad yoda.. but he's turned out to be a pretty wise man these days. |
| 06:57.01 | protocolX | Anybody knows How to mount the cd manually during net installatin of debian. |
| 06:57.17 | Loren | "For users of the kernel, the more interesting feature may be the addition of Xen, which is a virtual machine monitor, which enables multiple operating system images to execute concurrently on the same platform" |
| 06:57.19 | Loren | what does that mean? |
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| 06:57.25 | protocolX | I guess there is something to do with: /sys/bus/ide/drivers/ |
| 06:57.45 | bucky | is it sunday already? |
| 06:58.01 | nvz | nope, only Wednesday |
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| 06:58.07 | mdh | nse: your english is still better than my... italian? |
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| 06:58.45 | Loren | :) lol |
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| 06:58.53 | nvz | however... its PERMASUNDAY in #debian |
| 06:58.55 | Azar | Ian Murdoch speaks: http://os.newsforge.com/os/05/06/14/1722241.shtml?tid=2 |
| 06:58.59 | AciD|Wrk | oi |
| 06:59.03 | Guerin | nse: give over. |
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| 06:59.11 | nse | mdh: no! portuguse, brazilian portuguese.. |
| 06:59.14 | nvz | Azar: speaks of? |
| 06:59.17 | Guerin | tarzeau: jm_: thanks, I think that might have done it. |
| 06:59.29 | Azar | about Debian ofcourse |
| 06:59.43 | Azar | The "Ian" from Deb-ian |
| 06:59.46 | nvz | I am at a loss for why I should care what Ian Murdoch says on newsforge a month ago |
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| 07:00.46 | mdh | nvz: its probably using normal dates, not USian dates |
| 07:01.02 | mdh | nvz: so its what he's saying a week ago ;) |
| 07:01.03 | agung | #surabaya |
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| 07:01.15 | bob2 | ian murdoch doesn't have much to do with Debian anymore |
| 07:01.19 | nse | Guerin: I don't understand you, I'll try to find out more about other desktops evirionaments, when I do so, I'll have more embasaments to discuss with you, btw, what is your's? |
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| 07:01.37 | agung | tes |
| 07:01.40 | mdh | nse: try them all out, its fun |
| 07:01.41 | Guerin | nse: I use openbox these days. |
| 07:01.46 | Azar | bob2 I did not know, this is how I find that founders are bailing |
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| 07:01.51 | mdh | nse: even the stuff that isn't in debian, like treewm |
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| 07:02.01 | mdh | apt: thanks, I wanted a root |
| 07:02.01 | apt | mdh: bitte |
| 07:02.13 | nvz | "normal dates"? wtf is that? no matter what dates.. its not 2006 or 2014 yet, and there is no 14th month, so.. no matter how you write it.. |
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| 07:02.24 | Guerin | nse: methinks you protest too much; I was making a simple remark and you seem to think I was calling your mother a whore or something. |
| 07:02.27 | bluezzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.34 | nvz | I just didnt realize it was yesturday, I thought it was July already |
| 07:02.41 | Guerin | nvz: us dates are stupid; there's no denying it. |
| 07:02.55 | bluezzy | is there someone who already use regex for ncurses form field verification ? |
| 07:03.01 | Azar | so when it happend that Ian Murdoch abandoned Debian? |
| 07:03.05 | bluefox83 | how do i get grep to tell me the line number of results? |
| 07:03.07 | mdh | nvz: maybe "05" is 2005 ... 06 is june, .. |
| 07:03.22 | Guerin | Azar: ian murdock didn't exactly 'abandon' debian |
| 07:03.27 | nvz | Guerin: reguardless if you se 05/06/14, 06/14/05, 14/06/05, you still can deduce what date that is, there is only one realistic possibility |
| 07:03.30 | Guerin | bluefox83: -n |
| 07:03.52 | Guerin | nvz: that's not true. in NZ and other places we use dd/mm/yy |
| 07:03.55 | nvz | given that you know its past already and within the past hundred years |
| 07:03.56 | nse | bob2: I agree, I used to read his blog posts, loads of money making is his words.. :( |
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| 07:04.05 | Azar | oh I thought he moved to Redmond like the gentoo founder did |
| 07:04.15 | Guerin | nvz: and that's MUCH more sane that the US way. |
| 07:04.30 | mdh | Japan uses yy/mm/dd |
| 07:04.44 | mdh | which is likewise just as sane |
| 07:04.46 | nse | Guerin: Sorry, I'll review myself. |
| 07:04.51 | Guerin | mdh: as does korea - the only really sensible way to do it |
| 07:05.04 | Guerin | makes things easy to sort by date |
| 07:05.19 | nvz | I am not talking about date formats, I am talking about if you see 06 05 14 in the same date of any format, its fucking June 14th 2005, cause there is no other possible date that is within a hundred years or in the future |
| 07:05.22 | Guerin | Azar: haha, no way ... he runs progeny debian now. |
| 07:05.35 | Guerin | _root_: why the fuck are you messaging me |
| 07:05.36 | Guerin | ? |
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| 07:06.39 | _root_ | Guerin: i need to clarify some thing regarding statically linked and dynamically linked bas |
| 07:06.50 | jetx | him wubs j00 |
| 07:07.01 | jetx | hims wants to seX0rz j00 |
| 07:07.07 | swim | anyone know how to get abiword to read a wpd file? I installed libwpd but it still opens wpd files all screwy |
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| 07:07.13 | Guerin | _root_: why on earth would you pick ME? |
| 07:07.22 | yoo | Hi everybody ! |
| 07:07.23 | jetx | hims wubs long hair |
| 07:07.30 | _root_ | Guerin : i think you are the right guy |
| 07:07.35 | jetx | see? |
| 07:07.41 | Guerin | _root_: i'm potentially the worst programmer in this channel, and I almost certainly know less than you about linking. |
| 07:08.03 | Guerin | _root_: just ask in channel. If someone knows, they'll answer. |
| 07:08.12 | _root_ | Guerin: ok |
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| 07:09.07 | _root_ | i've got a statically linked bash in "/sbin/bash" and dynamically linked one in "/bin/bash" |
| 07:09.21 | nvz | I suppose I _could_ setup this samba shared LVM array.. though I think I have to meet some prequisites first |
| 07:09.24 | _root_ | any my root login shell is "/sbin/bash" |
| 07:09.44 | nvz | like encrypting my wireless network, and figuring out why my pc runs like shit. |
| 07:10.22 | _root_ | my PATH variable for both root and non-root is same giving priority to "/sbin" than "/bin" |
| 07:10.27 | nvz | my music already skipps when I do sertain things that arent even really cpu intensive... so I think I have some issues somewhere |
| 07:10.48 | nvz | I want to have a well oiled machine before I start hosting services on the lan |
| 07:11.02 | nvz | will probably have to build a new kernel |
| 07:11.26 | tralala | _root_: dpkg -S /sbin/bash |
| 07:12.19 | antonym | Gnome refuses to install. I updated apt.sources to point to sarge, did an apt update, then apt install gnome. The error: "gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (=64) but it is not going to be installed", and a similar error for gnome-office. I even manually removed any old gnome* packages, and told dpkg to forget available packages. It still doesn't work. Any ideas? |
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| 07:12.47 | jetx | use dselect |
| 07:12.54 | jetx | !fix-unmet |
| 07:12.54 | dpkg | well, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
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| 07:13.21 | jetx | basically just do update, enter the selection screen, hit enter to exit it, then install |
| 07:13.31 | jetx | it will/should fix it |
| 07:13.33 | antonym | jetx: but if both aptitude and apt-get don't work, why would dselect? |
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| 07:14.01 | tralala | antonym: don't ask stupid questions - just do as adviced |
| 07:14.06 | jetx | i haven't had to do it lately, but i've done it before and it works for me |
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| 07:14.16 | Guerin | antonym: aptitude -f install; does nothing? |
| 07:14.21 | jetx | questions are good |
| 07:14.40 | antonym | tralala: it's not a stupid question, dick - if you can't contribute anything useful, butt out |
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| 07:14.46 | bucky | antonym, apt-get -f install and kick it in the butt a couple of times |
| 07:15.05 | jetx | apt-get chokes on very large packages with very large dependencies is the only way i know of to describe it |
| 07:15.11 | jetx | sometimes |
| 07:15.25 | nvz | I don't want my services I run to interfere with what I normally do on my pc, or vice versa right now my Athlon XP 1700+ system with 512MB ram seems to have a hard time with just me using it.. and I am not even hard on it.. most I do is chat, listen to music, and surf the web and possibly download some stuff sometimes |
| 07:15.38 | antonym | Guerin: "apt-get -f install gnome" gives the same error |
| 07:15.38 | afabian | jetx: I've seen that happen if /var is too small, I think. |
| 07:15.42 | Guerin | nvz: something is horribly broken |
| 07:15.46 | nvz | I must be really bad at optimizing my system |
| 07:15.48 | jetx | tweak the bios settings nvz |
| 07:15.50 | bucky | nvz, which kernel are you using? |
| 07:15.52 | Guerin | antonym: just aptitude -f instll; no packages |
| 07:15.54 | antonym | jetx: trying dselect now, Thanks |
| 07:15.56 | nvz | bucky: 2.4.29 |
| 07:16.07 | bucky | nvz, k7 ? |
| 07:16.13 | jetx | antonym: let us know eh |
| 07:16.14 | Guerin | nvz: i do all that on a p2-233 with 256 |
| 07:16.18 | antonym | Guerin: didn't do anything (0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 ...) |
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| 07:16.26 | nvz | I have to turn my music off if I download more than say 15-20 files at a time with gift |
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| 07:16.35 | nvz | yeah I have too.. |
| 07:16.37 | nvz | I dont get it |
| 07:16.42 | Guerin | antonym: ok. apt-cache policy gnome-desktop-environment |
| 07:16.47 | nvz | its like my scheduler is drunk |
| 07:16.47 | afabian | I've given up trying to partition, really. One big partition. |
| 07:16.53 | nemo | question time: what's the best bug reporting tool (console) these days? I thought there was a deb-bug or something, but damned if that doesn't exuist and I can't think what it might be |
| 07:16.55 | nvz | bucky: nope, 2.4.29 |
| 07:16.59 | tralala | nvz: if you hdd is overworked you'll get interruptions |
| 07:17.01 | jetx | reportbug |
| 07:17.03 | Guerin | antonym: put the output on a paster if there's more an a couple useful lines |
| 07:17.07 | bucky | nvz, did you compile it yourself? |
| 07:17.34 | nvz | tralala: well I am about to add another hdd or two and create an LVM array, and large samba shared volumes.. so I want to work out any kinks |
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| 07:17.39 | nvz | bucky: yep |
| 07:17.46 | antonym | Guerin: "Installed: none, candidate 64, version table: 64 0 // 500 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au sarge/main Packages" |
| 07:18.06 | nemo | jetx: thanks :) |
| 07:18.06 | jetx | so dselect didn't work? |
| 07:18.09 | swim | ive got ndiswrapper loading at boot, and "ifup wlan0" brings up the interface properly, but I still have to do it manually... where can I specify that the interface be brought up at boot? |
| 07:18.18 | ethics | is kernel-build a replacement to kernel-source? |
| 07:18.27 | bucky | nvz, did you select k7 in kernel options and not i686 ? |
| 07:18.31 | Guerin | antonym: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment; does what? |
| 07:18.49 | tralala | ethics: you would have known had you checked the dependancies... |
| 07:19.03 | tralala | the conflicts actually |
| 07:19.04 | liable | swim: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:19.06 | djp | hi all. can somebody please help me here. i am sooo close to getting thsi debian 3.1 install working nicely (i hope!). however i still can only use 2 resolutions, 800x600 and 640x480. i picked the correct graphic card driver at install (nv) i have an nvidia geeforce2 mx 400 card, and used the advanced option to set the horiz scan freq (30-70khz) and vertical scan freq (50-160hz). however, only the two resolutions available under |
| 07:19.06 | djp | gnome? help! |
| 07:19.22 | bucky | k7 cpu chokes on i686 in my experience |
| 07:19.23 | ethics | tralala, so is that a yes or no? or how can i tell? |
| 07:19.28 | Guerin | antonym: djp don't use the gnome mangulator; use drxx |
| 07:19.34 | antonym | Guerin: similar broken packages message, this time with dep on gnome-core (=64) |
| 07:19.35 | Guerin | bah, djp ^^^ |
| 07:19.52 | swim | liable, I have set up the interfaces file so that when I run ifup wlan0 the interface comes up fine... |
| 07:19.53 | nvz | haha, I did grep -v \# /boot/config-$(uname -r) | sort -u | wc -l, and I had selected 187 kernel options :P |
| 07:19.56 | djp | Guerin: drxx? how do i use that? what do i do? |
| 07:19.56 | Guerin | antonym: ok. aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment gnome-core |
| 07:20.02 | Guerin | !drxx djp |
| 07:20.04 | tralala | ethics: you can tell by checking if it conflicts with with kernel-sources - man dpkg; man apt-cache |
| 07:20.11 | Guerin | djp: but first you need to ... |
| 07:20.14 | Guerin | !xmd5 |
| 07:20.15 | jetx | djp you need to google the model # of your monitor, find the vert & horiz refresh rates, drxx, and select advanced when asked |
| 07:20.17 | jetx | !drxx |
| 07:20.24 | dpkg | djp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 07:20.24 | Guerin | !x md5sum |
| 07:20.25 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 07:20.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 07:20.27 | ethics | tralala, there is no kernel-source package thus the question... |
| 07:20.28 | jetx | ah double drxx |
| 07:20.31 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 07:20.38 | Guerin | what the FUCK |
| 07:20.39 | liable | swim: man interfaces, you add auto to the first line. |
| 07:20.43 | tralala | ethics: man apt-cache |
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| 07:20.48 | Guerin | stupid bot |
| 07:20.49 | jetx | i didn't do it |
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| 07:20.54 | swim | ah thx liable |
| 07:21.18 | jetx | !factinfo xmd5 |
| 07:21.19 | dpkg | xmd5 -- last modified at Sat Feb 19 02:10:42 2005 by dondelelcaro!~don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 62 times, last by Guerin, 54s ago. |
| 07:21.20 | antonym | Guerin: I keep getting a chain of broken package errors, gnome-desktop-environment, gnome-core, gnome-terminal, etc etc each time I add a missing dep |
| 07:21.31 | ethics | tralala, what am i reading about in man apt-cache? it seems to me that the old way isnt the same as the new way in testing as of 2.6.11...the 2.6.8 version is there... |
| 07:21.35 | jetx | !factinfo x md5sum |
| 07:21.35 | dpkg | x md5sum -- created by PerfDave <user42415@sparky.ox.compsoc.net> at Sun Oct 17 18:03:36 2004 (240 days); it has been requested 265 times, last by Guerin, 1m 9s ago. |
| 07:21.38 | nvz | bucky: it was a long time ago I made this kernel, and for a different machine initally, I dont remember, I am looking in my config, but havent located the option yet I forget what its even called. |
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| 07:22.14 | nvz | bucky: I can't even remember what CPU type was in that Dell I compiled this for.. I do think it may have been a P4 though :P |
| 07:22.16 | Guerin | antonym: ok. Best bet from here on out is to remove all of gnome (you needn't purge); then do the upgrade, then install the new version clean. |
| 07:22.20 | bucky | nvz, it sounds like it's got a i686 kernel.. athlon has a hard time with that |
| 07:22.29 | tralala | ethics: you are reading how to search for packages and how to check their dependancies/conflicts/recommendations etc |
| 07:22.33 | Epod69 | how do i configure gnome to use alsa instead of esound... i did disable esound from starting up but the gnome games dont play any sound, even though everything else seems to |
| 07:22.35 | Guerin | antonym: something's messed up; if I used gnome i'd probably know or care what, but I don't, so I don't. |
| 07:22.44 | nvz | bucky: I havent touched this pc in a long time, and I havent done any maint to it since I put it into this Athlon XP system |
| 07:22.45 | Guerin | !tell antonym about remove gnome |
| 07:22.50 | VoX | i know this is amazingly off-topic, but is anyone here a Plesk guru? |
| 07:22.57 | mwilson | Epod69: You don't. The one has nothing to do with the other. |
| 07:22.57 | Guerin | !pal VoX |
| 07:23.04 | Guerin | plesk |
| 07:23.06 | bucky | nvz, you could fing out real easy by apt-get'ing a kernel-image |
| 07:23.20 | tralala | ethics: in short there *is* kernel-source package - more than one actually |
| 07:23.22 | Epod69 | mwilson, then how come my gnome games doesnt work ? |
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| 07:23.33 | antonym | Guerin: yeah, thanks - I actually already tried removing nearly all gnome* packages by hand. I'll retry with those instructions |
| 07:23.35 | mwilson | Epod69: esound is a sound daemon, and has nothing to do with hardware drivers for your sound card. |
| 07:23.37 | nvz | bucky: I found it, CONFIG_MPENTIUM4=y |
| 07:23.44 | nvz | bucky: yeah that would probably be the problem |
| 07:23.57 | nvz | bucky: I am using a P4 kernel on a k7 |
| 07:24.07 | jetx | were you drunk or in a big hurry |
| 07:24.14 | mwilson | Epod69: Not knowing what you've done to try and break things, I have no idea why some random application can't produce sound. |
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| 07:24.35 | djp | Guerin: ok, great so far, however it is asking for my video cards bus identifier? it is an agp graphic card, where do i find such info? |
| 07:24.36 | nvz | I just moved and only took my hd with me, and put it into a completly different PC without changing anything |
| 07:24.38 | jetx | !pal nvz |
| 07:24.49 | jetx | leave it blank djp |
| 07:24.50 | nvz | I normally kept new custom kernels on my pc all the time |
| 07:25.00 | djp | jetz: ok |
| 07:25.04 | jetx | but agp is PCI:1:0:0 |
| 07:25.09 | ethics | tralala: have you actually attempted this yourself? |
| 07:25.15 | Guerin | djp: if you're using x86 with only one card, you don't need it. |
| 07:25.31 | jetx | you can leave the memory blank also |
| 07:25.47 | jetx | next question or soi |
| 07:25.52 | tralala | !irritate me |
| 07:25.53 | dpkg | tralala: hi every1 who uses gnome lol |
| 07:25.54 | Guerin | nvz: that's worked for me. As long as the arch is the same, should be no problem with a debian kernel and hotplug/discover/etc. |
| 07:26.01 | Epod69 | mwilson, esound controls some parts of the sound of gnome, such as some sound for applications, if you have esound enabled, you can browse through some of the built in games sound files and change them if you wish |
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| 07:26.32 | jetx | Epod69: why are you putting your hand in that snake hole? |
| 07:26.43 | nvz | well then I need to compile a kernel tomorrow, enable some wireless security mechinisms, update everyones wireless configuration, then install this 160gb hd I was just given, put LVM on it, backup my shit, and reinstall sarge on my 120GB drive, with LVM on it, and I will be ready to go. |
| 07:26.45 | mwilson | Epod69: Thank you, I know perfectly well what esound is. |
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| 07:27.12 | djp | keyboard variant? what sohlud i use for that or leave it blank. i have a uk keyboard 104 |
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| 07:27.13 | jetx | !say Danger Will Robinson, Danger! |
| 07:27.14 | dpkg | Danger Will Robinson, Danger! |
| 07:27.27 | nvz | Guerin: you mean moving my hd around? |
| 07:27.30 | sh4dowcat | uhh |
| 07:27.37 | sh4dowcat | _absent: quit ircing as root |
| 07:27.40 | Guerin | nvz: no, moving one of mine between boxen. |
| 07:27.44 | Epod69 | mwilson, your welcome =) , i guess my question is can i enable the gnome built in sounds without having to enable sound server at startup |
| 07:27.50 | djp | jetz: keyboard variant? leave blank? |
| 07:27.55 | jetx | i don't know that one djp i've always used the us |
| 07:28.12 | sh4dowcat | !tell _absent about root |
| 07:28.12 | jetx | it says us leave blank iirc |
| 07:28.18 | jetx | i don't know about for uk |
| 07:28.35 | ethics | tralala, ok so theres a source file in unstable so i think its a missing package in etch |
| 07:28.47 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 07:28.52 | sh4dowcat | etch is moving along nicely |
| 07:28.58 | sh4dowcat | lots of new packages |
| 07:28.58 | jetx | i accidentally d/l'd the etch installer |
| 07:29.06 | nvz | Guerin: I'd rather just fix it myself. I hate hotplug and discover. I dont like wasting resources on shit I dont need. and the only time I hear about hotplug and discover is in here people telling me their problems with it, where they have to blacklist shit.. the way I feel about it, its just as easy to whitelist with modutils as it is to use automagic tools and have to blacklist the incorrect modules it loads |
| 07:29.10 | sh4dowcat | jetx: heh stupid |
| 07:29.11 | jetx | 'didn't work'(tm) |
| 07:29.12 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.15 | jetx | yeah |
| 07:29.31 | liable | nevyn: dont do that |
| 07:29.32 | sh4dowcat | jetx: I'm running on a sarge install |
| 07:29.37 | sh4dowcat | but I'm pointed to etch sources now |
| 07:29.41 | nvz | I usually try not to change my hardware anyhow |
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| 07:30.06 | ethics | someone know about 2.6.11 source files being missing in etch at all? |
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| 07:30.33 | sh4dowcat | kernel.org source works fine |
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| 07:30.43 | wols | ethics: go to kernel.org, get latest kernel sources. done |
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| 07:30.54 | Aemaeth | evening all. i have a question about the netinstall, can i throw the cd in, and ssh to the install? rather than hook up a monitor? |
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| 07:31.07 | nvz | I am probably going to reinstall sometime tomorrow evening. after I get backed up onto the LVM drive, and get some form of wireless security enabled.. there is no way in hell I am offering services here with a public insecure wireless access point |
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| 07:31.12 | jetx | i'll use a debian sid source when they come out, but then go back to the next kernel.org version when it comes out |
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| 07:31.19 | ethics | wols, yeah i guess...all the configs are in .config for my current kernel yeah? |
| 07:31.20 | nvz | I am the only non-wireless box on the network |
| 07:31.31 | sh4dowcat | jetx: you have too much time on your hands |
| 07:31.31 | wols | ethics: yes |
| 07:31.45 | deadcat | can icecast2 do mp3? do i need ices2 to stream? |
| 07:31.47 | Epod69 | I was told i shouldnt use esound and just use strait alsa without have sound daemons getting in the way. So is it really a bad thing to enable esounds ? |
| 07:32.04 | sep | deadcat: not give up fully i see :) |
| 07:32.06 | jetx | same basic config, just kick off a compile and watch a movie or whatever |
| 07:32.17 | nvz | I know too many people with wireless palmtop pcs and too much time on their hands.. I am not going to have them using my box for a playground |
| 07:32.26 | deadcat | sep: i am piss. so i want to get it working again (= |
| 07:32.28 | Aemaeth | lol |
| 07:32.34 | sep | hehehe |
| 07:32.51 | jetx | nvz: i've seen a guy who like to collect wireless packets... so yeah security is good. |
| 07:33.06 | jetx | a fuckin hobby. |
| 07:33.17 | nvz | I know nothing about wireless internet, never used it.. but I am going to figure the shit out one way or another |
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| 07:33.42 | nvz | I think you just enable wep, and then go put keys into all the boxes |
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| 07:34.27 | tralala | and then someone discovers your wep and you have a brand new member of your network! |
| 07:34.29 | nvz | there are different forms of wep though like 64bit..128bit .. hex.. ascii.. blah blah blah |
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| 07:34.39 | sep | nvz: wep is just marginaly more secured then in the clear, use wpa |
| 07:34.55 | jetx | it's next on my list, client's kid has 50 billion pop up windows on the her old box i had JUST baremetaled.. so i talked to him and she's getting sarge, but it will be my first wireless linux |
| 07:35.08 | nvz | hmm I know my router supports more than just wep, but I dont know what exactly |
| 07:35.26 | jetx | radius and something else if it's a linksys |
| 07:35.29 | sh4dowcat | uhh |
| 07:35.34 | nvz | heh |
| 07:35.38 | sh4dowcat | somebody needs to update 'sound' in dpkg |
| 07:35.41 | sep | nvz: wpa is just wep without the gaping security hole. |
| 07:35.51 | nvz | its a Motorola Surfboard modem I think |
| 07:35.51 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 07:35.51 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 07:36.13 | nvz | yeah its a Surfboard |
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| 07:36.56 | tralala | methinks wireless modems are the second most stupid invention |
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| 07:37.17 | antonym | jetx: well dselect did the trick! thanks dude, and thanks Guerin. It also pulled in a bit of cruft, but at least it resolved the main dep problem. |
| 07:37.26 | Guerin | antonym: nice. |
| 07:37.31 | jetx | \o/ |
| 07:38.19 | Guerin | !mock jetx |
| 07:38.24 | Guerin | scoff that! |
| 07:38.41 | bucky | !win jetx |
| 07:38.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetx! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 07:38.47 | antonym | jetx: never! :) I just avoid dselect due to its actively hostile interface, but - hey, if it works... |
| 07:39.17 | jetx | yeah if it had a facelift it would be the choice i believe |
| 07:39.23 | nvz | well my options under "security" are Open System or Shared Key auth, 64bit, 128bit or no wep, I also have a disable ESSID broadcast whatever that is, and a MAC ID Control Mechinism.. which would help, but you could spoof mac addresses |
| 07:39.25 | jetx | synaptic isn't the same |
| 07:39.49 | wols | nvz: disable the SSID broadcast |
| 07:40.13 | djp | Guerin: ok, all done. now do i restart my pc? |
| 07:40.25 | jetx | no restart your dm |
| 07:40.26 | Guerin | djp: eh? |
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| 07:40.36 | Guerin | !reboot |
| 07:40.36 | jetx | /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 07:40.36 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 07:40.50 | jetx | xdm gdm kdm |
| 07:40.50 | djp | Guerin: sorry, just ran the configure option drxx that you advised |
| 07:40.56 | wols | djp: you have get that "I moved the mouse, no I must reboot" out of your system |
| 07:41.09 | nvz | I don't want to do anything until tomorrow, and make sure I know what I am doing.. because as of right now, 4 people have net connectivity, and if and when they loose it as a result of me fucking with the WAP, I have 4 WinXP boxes to fix, and I fucking hate windows |
| 07:41.13 | wols | djp: the only reason ever to reboot linux is when changing kernels or changing hardware |
| 07:41.39 | djp | wols: ok. how do i use the new higher resolutions? |
| 07:41.44 | mdh | nvz: fix them with a linux cd - anythinjg else is not a fix but a workaround |
| 07:41.56 | wols | djp: like jetx told you |
| 07:42.03 | Guerin | djp: if you select them with drxx, the server will try the highest first |
| 07:42.06 | wols | or if you don't use a displaymanager, but restarting X |
| 07:42.14 | djp | jetz: ah, thanks |
| 07:42.30 | wols | s/but/by |
| 07:42.47 | tralala | nvz: to me it seems that your options are: a) learn about wireless security and then you will use wired modem and wireless pcs; b) use the wireless modem and accept that your connection will be shared |
| 07:42.48 | kreg | got port 741 (netGW) open on a box. anyone know what is running this? |
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| 07:43.16 | wols | kreg: netstat -anp|grep 741 |
| 07:43.17 | jetx | what would be a functional wildcard for that? /etc/init.d/\*dm ? or what |
| 07:43.39 | Guerin | jetx: ? should work |
| 07:43.40 | jetx | no that might do >1 |
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| 07:44.03 | jetx | but would just get a wont do it not default msg.. would you need the \ ? |
| 07:44.13 | Guerin | jetx: nope |
| 07:44.16 | uman | hi there, I'm on ubuntu but I'm sure this applies to Debian too and no one is answering me in #ubuntu |
| 07:44.21 | uman | here is my question: |
| 07:44.33 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 07:44.34 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 07:44.40 | jetx | like you said |
| 07:44.40 | sussudio | uman: go away |
| 07:44.43 | sussudio | !ubuntu |
| 07:44.43 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 07:44.45 | tarzeau | !UBUNTO |
| 07:44.45 | dpkg | it has been said that ubunto is http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg or http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y#2005-06-07-ubuntu |
| 07:44.50 | uman | sussudio: uhh whatever |
| 07:44.53 | kreg | wols, ok. looks like something called famd |
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| 07:45.23 | tarzeau | uman: nobody will answer off-topic ubuntu stuff here |
| 07:45.35 | jetx | uman: you see where honesty REALLY gets you in life? |
| 07:45.49 | uman | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.03 | tarzeau | uman: yes because you don't have debian |
| 07:46.08 | sussudio | yes. this isn't #ubuntu, that's why. |
| 07:46.11 | tarzeau | uman: god knows how they raped debian's package manager |
| 07:46.15 | uman | tarzeau: so? It's a question about apt-get |
| 07:46.24 | tarzeau | uman: is it the original debian apt-get ? |
| 07:46.24 | uman | a debian product if I'm not mistaken |
| 07:46.26 | bucky | man apt-get |
| 07:46.33 | uman | whatever |
| 07:46.34 | jetx | debian's official package manager is aptitude |
| 07:46.37 | uman | bye then |
| 07:46.38 | tarzeau | uman: if others change it, it's not a deiban high quality product anymore |
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| 07:46.40 | wols | uman: cause if we answer every guy using ubuntu, knoppix, linspire or who knows what other debian based distro, there woudln't be any debian users in here anymore |
| 07:46.48 | jetx | AND DSELECT IS BETTAH |
| 07:46.50 | nvz | tralala: I am reading.. seems like disabling ESSID, enabling wep, and MAC Access Control, is about as secure as we get |
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| 07:47.14 | jetx | uman: use dselect, apt-get it |
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| 07:47.55 | wols | nvz: yes. this way you avoid about 90% of scriptkiddies since your neighbour down the road has a less secured network than you. It no real security however |
| 07:47.58 | uman | ok you guys aren't being helpful, so I'm out. Bye. |
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| 07:48.03 | nvz | then someone would have to figure out the ESSID, WEP Key, and spoof one of 4 mac addresses |
| 07:48.32 | Aemaeth | which is difficult |
| 07:48.37 | Aemaeth | specially if its a small network |
| 07:48.40 | DotHack | is zorg packaged yet? |
| 07:48.41 | jetx | i've seen open wireless networks, no need to bother the ones with keys |
| 07:48.44 | nvz | wols: the local school district is a digital school, nearly every house in the area not only has a Wireless Access Point, but one or more wireless capable laptops |
| 07:48.45 | DotHack | xorg |
| 07:48.48 | jetx | that's xorg |
| 07:49.00 | jetx | zorg was the bad guy in the 5th element |
| 07:49.05 | wols | DotHack: he can't be packaged since he is dead. didn't you watch the 5th element? |
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| 07:49.18 | jetx | !wols++ |
| 07:49.26 | bucky | wasn't zorg a replicant ? |
| 07:49.36 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 07:49.40 | Aemaeth | you can package corpses, what are you talking about? |
| 07:49.46 | sh4dowcat | how do you get debian to play more than one sound at the same time? |
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| 07:50.01 | DotHack | Shadowcat: dmix |
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| 07:50.06 | jetx | mine does it by default |
| 07:50.10 | wols | Aemaeth: not this corpse. he's be blown to so many little bits, you will have a hard time finding them all :) |
| 07:50.19 | sh4dowcat | hmm? |
| 07:50.20 | Aemaeth | thats right |
| 07:50.20 | jetx | fresh sarge installer with sid sources |
| 07:50.24 | Aemaeth | ages since i saw that movie |
| 07:50.28 | djp | thanks Guerin. jetz and wols. all working fine now. i have noted your advice. once again thanks sooo much! i may stay with debian 3.1 and forget ubuntu! ;) |
| 07:50.28 | Aemaeth | i want one of those guns |
| 07:50.29 | nvz | I think figuring out the ESSID, the WEP Key and spoofing one of the Mac Addresses on the network would be harder than walking 3 blocks to the highschool and using their Wireless Access to hack my modem remotely from the outside. |
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| 07:50.44 | jetx | replicants were in bladerunner |
| 07:50.48 | sep | siiigh i realy must limit the ip range of my ssh service. the constant ssh brute force attachs are filling up my log partition |
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| 07:50.52 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 07:50.54 | sh4dowcat | got disconnected |
| 07:50.57 | DotHack | what about x.org then? |
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| 07:51.06 | jetx | !xorg |
| 07:51.06 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 07:51.08 | sh4dowcat | DotHack: what about dmix? |
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| 07:51.46 | nvz | I am going to use a password generator to generate a ESSID better than motorola too :L |
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| 07:51.55 | sep | nvz: figuring out the wep key is simple, and there are 1337 toolz for it, it just takes a lot of traffic. use wpa |
| 07:52.07 | sh4dowcat | hmm.... |
| 07:52.08 | sh4dowcat | oh well |
| 07:52.09 | nvz | sep: WPA isnt a fucking option hehe |
| 07:52.18 | jetx | 13char |
| 07:52.26 | sh4dowcat | How do you get debian to play more than one sound at the same time? |
| 07:52.38 | wols | sh4dowcat: someone told you already: dmix |
| 07:52.38 | jetx | sound server is one way |
| 07:52.39 | nvz | sep: its a motorola surfboard wireless modem/gateway |
| 07:52.48 | sep | nvz: get a new one :) |
| 07:52.51 | sh4dowcat | wols: ya but what exactly is dmix? |
| 07:52.56 | Aemaeth | esd sh4dowcat |
| 07:53.01 | jetx | [02.50.54] sh4dowcat got disconnected |
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| 07:53.14 | sep | nvz: or firmware upgrade it, you never know perhaps they'v added it |
| 07:53.20 | wols | sh4dowcat: it's a software mixer |
| 07:53.32 | sh4dowcat | hmm.... |
| 07:53.36 | nvz | sep: I am not paying for new hardware I wont even use. this is my family's insecure wireless network.. they dont give a shit.. I only want it to be as secure as possible so I can serve samba shares |
| 07:53.37 | wols | Aemaeth: esd (and it's kde counterpart) are both evil |
| 07:53.47 | Aemaeth | howso? |
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| 07:53.53 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 07:53.54 | nvz | sep: without any kid walking down the street with his school notebook fucking with my data |
| 07:54.02 | wols | Aemaeth: both suck for general usage |
| 07:54.05 | sh4dowcat | it doesn't really help |
| 07:54.15 | jes-o-mat | is the non-us archiv still used for sarge? |
| 07:54.15 | sep | nvz: the kids around here all run kismet :) |
| 07:54.21 | wols | sh4dowcat: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 07:54.23 | Aemaeth | whats good to use then? without buying a soundcard with onboard mixer? |
| 07:54.32 | wols | Aemaeth: dmix |
| 07:54.40 | Aemaeth | fair nuff |
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| 07:54.47 | sh4dowcat | wols: thanks |
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| 07:54.51 | Aemaeth | what do you use then? |
| 07:54.53 | Pimpi | hi |
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| 07:54.58 | doleyb | Is there a good reason dmix isn't by default? |
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| 07:55.12 | wols | doleyb: it's new |
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| 07:55.18 | hejux_ | hi |
| 07:55.19 | nvz | sep: I think turning off ESSID broadcasting, chaging my ESSID from "Motorola" to "U9w6BcBWBgj.EiGlBANmzVA0.7199NKCbovsuM", enabling MAC Filtering, and 128Bit WEP is my best option |
| 07:55.34 | wols | compared to the other crap that is |
| 07:55.34 | hejux_ | hey |
| 07:55.34 | jes-o-mat | since when is it allowed to connect to freenode as root user? |
| 07:55.34 | doleyb | Only new in debian-years, maybe. |
| 07:55.34 | Pimpi | what happened to non-us.debian.org unstable ? |
| 07:55.38 | hejux_ | pay attenthion to here plz |
| 07:55.39 | jethro | !nonus Pimpi |
| 07:55.40 | dpkg | Hey, Pimpi, the topic says non-us doesn't exist anymore. Wheee! Ask me about 'non-us'. |
| 07:55.42 | hejux_ | i was just uncareful to have "rm" the /etc/X11 directory ,what shall i do to rescue my debian ? |
| 07:55.54 | Pimpi | ic thank you |
| 07:56.02 | ozzloy | i am trying to install a kernel module, but when i go into the directory and type "make" it tries to go into /usr/src/kernel-headers.../ and complains about no rule to make the module i'm trying to |
| 07:56.10 | DotHack | sh4dowcat: are you using oss or alsa? |
| 07:56.11 | nvz | sep: then the kiddies have to guess my ESSID, Spoof a MAC address, and have the WEP key |
| 07:56.22 | ozzloy | please help |
| 07:56.38 | ozzloy | nvz, you could maybe use wap? |
| 07:56.43 | nvz | sep: and I will just change the WEP keys and ESSIDs frequently. the crappy iBooks they have can only guess 128bit keys so fast |
| 07:56.44 | jetx | apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 07:56.47 | sh4dowcat | DotHack: alsa |
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| 07:56.56 | nvz | ozzloy: you mean WPA? |
| 07:57.04 | samuella | hi, can someone tell me how to restore the XF86Config-f file? |
| 07:57.10 | ozzloy | nvz, that's the one! ahem... |
| 07:57.12 | hejux_ | i was just uncareful to have "rm" the /etc/X11 directory ,what shall i do to rescue my debian ? |
| 07:57.13 | hejux_ | heyhey |
| 07:57.15 | jetx | !xmd5 |
| 07:57.16 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 07:57.28 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 07:57.29 | sep | nvz: there is no guessing involved in cracking a wep key, it's just a program that have to analyze a fixed number of wep packages and you have the key |
| 07:57.31 | nvz | ozzloy: I could check and see if there is a firmware upgrade for my modem that supports it.// but currently it doesnt |
| 07:57.39 | ozzloy | nvz, you probly know more about it than i. i just hear that wep is ridiculously easy to crack |
| 07:57.39 | DotHack | sh4dowcat: yo then probable dont have a soundcard that does hardware mixing |
| 07:57.49 | ozzloy | nvz, oic |
| 07:57.50 | nvz | ozzloy: yeah thats what they are trying to tell me too. |
| 07:57.51 | sh4dowcat | DotHack: apparently it's using an OSS module hmm... |
| 07:57.52 | sep | hejux_: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 07:57.59 | DotHack | sh4dowcat: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
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| 07:58.03 | sh4dowcat | at least that's what volume control tells me |
| 07:58.22 | sh4dowcat | DotHack: ya I'm reading that |
| 07:58.30 | hejux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.45 | nvz | ozzloy: its not as easy as my open network is. right now the school district supplies every child with an iBook that has MacOSX and comes with the network chooser software that all they have to do is click on my network and they are on right now |
| 07:59.09 | ozzloy | i would really appreciate it if someone please help me with installing a kernel module |
| 07:59.10 | nvz | ozzloy: so my proposal of changing 4 things will make it that much more secure |
| 07:59.21 | sep | ozzloy: modprobe kernelmoduleyouwantinstalled |
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| 07:59.26 | ozzloy | ...someone could please... |
| 07:59.26 | bucky | ozzloy, which kernel module? |
| 07:59.41 | ozzloy | bucky, http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/INSTALL.en |
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| 07:59.45 | hejux_ | dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install |
| 07:59.46 | dpkg | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install 3.5-13.1 hejux_'s private gamp collection |
| 07:59.46 | hejux_ | ??? |
| 07:59.51 | ozzloy | its for a logitech camera |
| 07:59.51 | samuella | can someone tell me how to restore the XF86Config-f file? |
| 07:59.54 | DotHack | sh4dowcat: dont mind your self if you dont get it just copy paste the code it works for me |
| 08:00.14 | sep | hejux_: dont forget the COLUMNS part |
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| 08:00.50 | hejux_ | #COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install ??? |
| 08:00.50 | KursK | On sarge: is it not possible to mount a nfs share into a mounted nfs-share during boot-up? I hav two entries in /etc/fstab, first I mount /home, then /home/user/work...but only /home is mounted during boot up. Mounting /home/user/work later is nor problem.... |
| 08:01.12 | mdh | sep: thankfully that one's fixed in sid... |
| 08:01.12 | ozzloy | samuella, you could maybe just reconfigure X? i'm not sure the command on that. something like reconfigure-X-something |
| 08:01.17 | bucky | ozzloy, so you're running a 2.4 kernel ? |
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| 08:01.24 | sep | hejux_: you asked how you could restore you'r X11 directory. that command reinstalles all packages on your system. you must reconfigure the X stuff ofcouse afterwards |
| 08:01.25 | samuella | Ozzloy, i have no idea what to input |
| 08:01.34 | ozzloy | bucky, i am running a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 08:01.41 | jetx | !drxx ozzloy |
| 08:01.42 | dpkg | ozzloy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 08:01.50 | nvz | KursK: show your fstab, in a #flood |
| 08:01.54 | hejux_ | COLUMNS=200 is a command ? |
| 08:01.59 | jetx | yes |
| 08:02.06 | jetx | you type it in a console |
| 08:02.08 | sep | hejux_: it's a variable |
| 08:02.08 | ozzloy | samuella, see what dpkg said? |
| 08:02.08 | jethro | hejux_: no it's a variable assignment |
| 08:02.09 | jetx | the whole thing |
| 08:02.12 | bucky | ozzloy, the instructions say make and make install for the 2.6 kernel |
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| 08:02.18 | jetx | ah ok that |
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| 08:02.32 | ozzloy | bucky, i got stuck on the make part |
| 08:02.42 | hejux_ | what actually the command is ? |
| 08:02.48 | ozzloy | it didn't get past make. i can paste in flood |
| 08:02.59 | wols | ozzloy: you sure you're running a 2.6 kernel and have you installed the kernel-headers for the kernel you run? |
| 08:03.07 | ozzloy | wols, yes |
| 08:03.09 | bucky | ozzloy, it says to have the kernel sources for the version of kernel you are running |
| 08:03.09 | jethro | hejux_: and it's always better to use dpkg --get-selections && dpkg --set-selections that this ugly xargs trick |
| 08:03.18 | jethro | s/that/than/ |
| 08:03.22 | wols | then paste in flood then |
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| 08:03.36 | ozzloy | i have them. i apt-get installed kernel-headers and kernel-source for 2.6.8 |
| 08:03.37 | KursK | nvz, can I just put hte stuff into #flood? |
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| 08:03.49 | ozzloy | and even the patches from debian |
| 08:03.52 | nvz | KursK: yep /exec -o cat /etc/fstab |
| 08:03.54 | jethro | !reinstall |
| 08:03.54 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install |
| 08:04.02 | jethro | !factinfo reinstall |
| 08:04.03 | dpkg | reinstall -- last modified at Tue Apr 12 14:46:47 2005 by greycat!rfc1413@wooledge.org; it has been requested 37 times, last by jethro, 9s ago. |
| 08:04.15 | bucky | ozzloy, so you get an error when you run make / |
| 08:04.18 | transgress | okay seeing as sarge just got released... is etch pretty broken still |
| 08:04.21 | KursK | nvz, I did put it into #flood |
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| 08:04.37 | ozzloy | it says something about no rules to make target 'camera/pwc...' |
| 08:04.38 | corpix | hi |
| 08:04.56 | corpix | what module/programm do i jhave to load to get my mouse working in text console ? |
| 08:05.03 | nvz | KursK: well you didnt paste the whole thing, so is that exatly the way those two lines appear in the file? |
| 08:05.05 | pusakat | gpm |
| 08:05.09 | jethro | dpkg: reinstall is also dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --get-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 08:05.09 | dpkg | okay, jethro |
| 08:05.12 | wols | ozzloy: that's a problem with the makefile |
| 08:05.12 | pusakat | corpix, gpm |
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| 08:05.15 | ethics | transgress, etch is ok so far it seems...unstable getting gnome changes atm... |
| 08:05.15 | bob2 | corpix: install gpm |
| 08:05.17 | bucky | ozzloy, you did untar the kernel sources after you apt-got them didn't you? |
| 08:05.22 | corpix | bob2 thx |
| 08:05.31 | ozzloy | bucky, i'll check on that |
| 08:05.38 | jethro | dpkg: reinstall =~s/get-selections </set-selections </ |
| 08:05.45 | transgress | ethics: thanks. probably give it a try... i like bug reports heh |
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| 08:06.09 | ozzloy | bucky, yes |
| 08:06.20 | bucky | i dunno |
| 08:06.38 | KursK | nvz, yes i left away the local stuff |
| 08:06.48 | KursK | nvz, yes, I just changed the IP and the name of the user |
| 08:06.52 | ozzloy | first it says it enters the kernel-headers folder for the current kernel |
| 08:07.05 | ozzloy | then it says there's no make rule for the camera |
| 08:07.33 | hejux_ | :O |
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| 08:08.27 | nvz | KursK: well what I am getting at, is the /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh goes through line by line.. so if /home isnt first, then the mountpoint wouldnt exist when it goes to mount the other |
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| 08:09.09 | nvz | KursK: you seem to be doing this all wrong to begin with anyhow |
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| 08:09.59 | KursK | nvz, mh but in my case home is before the othe line? |
| 08:10.02 | nvz | KursK: you need to take the 2nd thing out of fstab because its not needed, and just link /home/fritz/work -> /export/data/fritzwork |
| 08:10.11 | nvz | KursK: heh, since they are both on the same host |
| 08:10.17 | nvz | dont make this difficult |
| 08:10.25 | KursK | nvz, mh this works? |
| 08:10.32 | KursK | okay, I check that |
| 08:10.33 | nvz | why wouldnt it *shrug* |
| 08:10.57 | sssk | how to install the package njamd which is only in the oldstable release of debian? |
| 08:11.00 | nvz | maybe not |
| 08:11.05 | nvz | hell I dont know |
| 08:11.13 | nvz | its 4am |
| 08:11.18 | nvz | I am high |
| 08:11.38 | nvz | and suddenly craving some pretzels |
| 08:12.22 | KursK | nvz, because the path is different on the client host? oh you mean hard linking...okay |
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| 08:12.49 | KursK | but wait I can't hard link directories afaik |
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| 08:13.34 | KursK | hehe okay |
| 08:13.35 | caphuso | KursK: nope |
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| 08:15.08 | nvz | someone who is not high, help that boy :P |
| 08:15.10 | _joey | is this a good card: Asus extreme n6800gt pci-e, 256mb ? |
| 08:15.17 | nvz | heh' |
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| 08:15.36 | jm_ | _joey: no, but I will be happy with it so send it over |
| 08:15.49 | bucky | ozzloy, try one more thing |
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| 08:16.10 | _joey | hmm |
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| 08:16.17 | ozzloy | bucky, yes? |
| 08:16.19 | ethics | _joey, yeah pretty hot.. |
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| 08:16.30 | _joey | jm_ you should be proud of your sense of humour |
| 08:16.33 | _joey | :) |
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| 08:16.44 | nvz | is PCI-E only for graphics of will be used for other things as well? |
| 08:16.46 | bucky | ozzloy, what does your /boot/config-2.6.8-? say for the kernel you're running? |
| 08:16.54 | _joey | ethics pretty hot as in it's getting physically hot ?:) |
| 08:16.58 | nvz | _joey: I am, if he's not. |
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| 08:17.05 | ethics | _joey, depends on your use...its a medium end windows gaming card.... |
| 08:17.07 | jm_ | _joey: both actually |
| 08:17.08 | nvz | I thought that was pretty funny |
| 08:17.24 | _joey | ethics for gaming |
| 08:17.56 | DimmuR | hi yesterday i have upgraded my debian sid and after upgrade i can't lunch gnome -everytime when i want to start gnome i get errors that nautilus / gnome-panel cannot be launched - any1 here had the same problems? |
| 08:18.03 | ozzloy | bucky, it says 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 08:18.07 | nvz | and its a useless linux 3d card.. heh not that I know.. but I am guessing |
| 08:18.15 | _joey | what about WD 10 rpm Raptor HDD ? is this a good drive ?:) |
| 08:18.26 | bucky | ozzloy, cp /boot/config-2.6.8- 2-686 kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 08:18.35 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 08:18.35 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 08:18.38 | tarzeau | DimmuR: for you to read |
| 08:18.39 | bucky | ozzloy, cp /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 08:18.40 | _joey | I used to have an old wd, it was quite noisy in comparison to seagate |
| 08:18.44 | snail | DimmuR: upgrade sid to what? sarge? |
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| 08:18.50 | tarzeau | DimmuR: look again. gnome and kde are broken. ALWAYS in sid and testing |
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| 08:19.02 | tarzeau | DimmuR: never ask about it here. |
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| 08:19.15 | tarzeau | DimmuR: go read all BTS first, fix it yourself. just don't talk about it here. we know |
| 08:19.19 | nvz | _joey: a 10rpm HDD is not a good thing |
| 08:19.31 | _joey | why is that ? |
| 08:19.37 | ozzloy | bucky, where should the copy go? |
| 08:19.38 | DimmuR | tarzeau: there are not always broken and i asked if some1 has the same problem after last upgrade only |
| 08:19.47 | tarzeau | DimmuR: yes they are |
| 08:19.49 | nvz | *shurg* |
| 08:19.52 | ozzloy | bucky, into /boot/? |
| 08:19.54 | DimmuR | snail: after apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:19.57 | jm_ | _joey: because modern drives work at 7200RPM or more (up to 15000) |
| 08:19.58 | bucky | ozzloy, cp /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 08:20.01 | bucky | sorry |
| 08:20.16 | bucky | ozzloy, wait |
| 08:20.18 | _joey | :) |
| 08:20.30 | bucky | ozzloy, cp /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 /usr/src/.config |
| 08:20.31 | nvz | most hdds spin at more than 100 times that speed, so either everyone else got hdds that go too fast, or yours is really slow |
| 08:20.36 | ozzloy | the seconf file exists |
| 08:20.37 | bucky | there paste that in |
| 08:20.37 | ozzloy | oic |
| 08:20.47 | bucky | ozzloy, overwrite it |
| 08:21.03 | bucky | ozzloy, cp /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/.config |
| 08:21.13 | bucky | that's it... |
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| 08:21.51 | _joey | nvz and jm_ is probably the same lamer |
| 08:21.55 | _joey | :) |
| 08:21.56 | nvz | heh |
| 08:22.04 | _joey | feel free not to comment |
| 08:22.06 | _joey | :) |
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| 08:22.31 | nvz | _joey: you aren't entertaining enough for me to clone myself just to fuck with you |
| 08:22.37 | _joey | besides, it 's always lamers who get amused and find silly chat exciting, |
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| 08:22.51 | KursK | anything negative about autofs? =) |
| 08:22.57 | _joey | nvz seems that you do |
| 08:23.02 | kombi | people, you must see this: John Cleese about backup trauma.. http://www.backuptrauma.com/video/default2.aspx |
| 08:23.21 | tralala | KursK: are you taking a poll? |
| 08:23.29 | ozzloy | bucky, nope, it gives me the same error. and it doesn't seem to be going there. it goes to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 08:23.40 | ozzloy | and then it says it finds no make rule for the camera |
| 08:23.40 | bucky | ozzloy, when you get that file copied over there cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 08:23.49 | ronrad | hello, anyone here got experience with autodns-dhcp? It just seems to hang when updating my dns (I've had it running for 15 hours+ and still it wasn't finished... I guess making dns changes for 10 hosts shouldn't take that long) |
| 08:23.49 | bucky | and make menuconfig |
| 08:23.53 | nvz | _joey: jm_ has probably been here a lot longer than me. |
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| 08:24.01 | bucky | ozzloy, save the changes |
| 08:24.03 | Skaag | it sure is strange to no longer see any updates in sarge :-) |
| 08:24.06 | jeff99 | can i get xmms to output a cool viedo that goes with the beat of the song |
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| 08:24.23 | bucky | ozzloy, then make-kpkg clean |
| 08:24.26 | ozzloy | bucky, the config file was copied into kernel-source.../.config |
| 08:24.28 | nvz | I've only been here since probably Summer of 2002 IIRC |
| 08:24.32 | jm_ | jeff99: yes |
| 08:24.33 | incorrect | is there an sftp daemon only? (no shell) |
| 08:24.36 | bucky | ozzloy, good |
| 08:24.39 | KursK | tralala, not really |
| 08:24.44 | bucky | ozzloy, cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 08:24.48 | tralala | !ask |
| 08:24.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 08:24.48 | ozzloy | done |
| 08:24.48 | nvz | this is where I came after high school instead of going to college |
| 08:25.05 | bucky | ozzloy, make menuconfig and just save the changes |
| 08:25.07 | ozzloy | wait, well i've cded into kernel-source now |
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| 08:25.27 | bucky | ozzloy, load the .config and save it v |
| 08:25.30 | ozzloy | make menuconfig, then just exit with changes saved? |
| 08:25.32 | nvz | I am attending debian-user-university |
| 08:25.34 | bucky | from make menuconfig |
| 08:25.44 | bucky | ozzloy, load the .config and save it v |
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| 08:25.58 | bucky | it's the default |
| 08:26.06 | ozzloy | how do i load the .config? by make menuconfig? |
| 08:26.11 | ozzloy | oic |
| 08:26.13 | deadcat | still no one can help me with icecast to stream few mp3 playlist? |
| 08:26.20 | ozzloy | so then i think the answer is yes |
| 08:26.25 | bucky | yes |
| 08:26.33 | nvz | its free* and its the most fun you can have without drunk college girls |
| 08:26.40 | ozzloy | but i'm still uncertain because i've not done much kernel recompile |
| 08:26.49 | bucky | ozzloy, then make-kpkg clean |
| 08:26.55 | bucky | and that's it |
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| 08:27.13 | nvz | I love debian, its simple "the next best thing(tm)" |
| 08:27.15 | ozzloy | bucky, crossing my fingers! |
| 08:27.17 | ozzloy | thanx |
| 08:27.22 | nvz | s/simple/simply/ |
| 08:27.24 | ozzloy | for the help so far |
| 08:27.35 | bucky | ozzloy, now go back to the pwc file and run make |
| 08:27.43 | ozzloy | nope, same error |
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| 08:28.01 | ozzloy | it still looks like it's trying to go into /usr/src/kernel-headers |
| 08:28.15 | bucky | ozzloy, what does uname -r say? |
| 08:28.26 | ozzloy | headers part throws me.... should it be going into kernel-source? |
| 08:28.45 | ozzloy | uname -r says 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 08:28.55 | nvz | headers are source |
| 08:29.02 | nvz | source isnt nessicarly headers |
| 08:29.11 | nvz | its like the square and the rectangle |
| 08:29.13 | bucky | ozzloy, apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 08:29.52 | ozzloy | i already have it it says |
| 08:30.23 | ozzloy | could you take a look at the error it gives me when i type 'make' for the camera module in #flood? |
| 08:30.34 | ozzloy | idk if it will help |
| 08:31.17 | liable | ozzloy: are you in the directory for the camera, and have/do you need to run ./configure? read the readme for it. |
| 08:31.26 | bucky | ozzloy, http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/debian/README |
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| 08:32.02 | bucky | ozzloy, install pwc-source, and you'll get /usr/src/modules/pwc directory containing the pwc module source |
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| 08:32.27 | bucky | ozzloy, then you only have to make a make-kpkg modules_image to build the pwc-modules |
| 08:32.40 | bucky | http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/debian/ |
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| 08:32.46 | ozzloy | i read that, but i did not know what it meant |
| 08:32.51 | ozzloy | and still don't really |
| 08:33.13 | bucky | i'm going horizontal |
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| 08:33.26 | ozzloy | so i can apt-get install pwc-source ? |
| 08:33.40 | ozzloy | i did an apt-cache search pwc and it found nothing |
| 08:33.43 | nvz | on the tone of my problem earlier, when I realized I was using a P4 kernel on my K7, I setup debian for a friend, and his pc is slow as piss too.. though his setup is a bit different than mine, his is a PIII 500 w/ about 128MB ram, and he _is_ using a debian kernel probably i386 or i686 |
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| 08:33.44 | tralala | bucky: be sure not to do it in-depth |
| 08:33.50 | ozzloy | so i assumed i just didn't know what it meant |
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| 08:34.11 | _ANtrAX_ | buenas |
| 08:34.18 | _ANtrAX_ | alguien me pude dar una manito |
| 08:34.35 | nvz | I've ran debian on Pentium Pro's or worse with far less ram, and not had it go slow |
| 08:34.45 | ozzloy | and i just tried apt-get install pwc-source and it didn't do it, so i'm guessing i still don't know what to do |
| 08:34.54 | ozzloy | wait |
| 08:34.56 | _ANtrAX_ | hello some body speak spanish here |
| 08:34.59 | nvz | also he uses kde, but surely his system could run faster than that even with kde |
| 08:35.00 | ozzloy | i have to add that repository! |
| 08:35.04 | nvz | _ANtrAX_: #debian-es |
| 08:35.10 | sep | !spanish |
| 08:35.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:35.14 | ozzloy | yo hablo espanol como un estupido gringo |
| 08:35.17 | bucky | ozzloy, dpkg -i pwc-source_10.0.7-3_all.deb |
| 08:35.18 | _ANtrAX_ | thanks |
| 08:35.23 | nvz | _ANtrAX_: otendran mas ayuda alli |
| 08:35.35 | nvz | er that too |
| 08:35.48 | bucky | cd /usr/src |
| 08:35.50 | bucky | ozzloy, make-kpkg modules_image |
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| 08:36.07 | floppyears | why do so many people use apache 1.3 in debian instead of using apache 2 ? |
| 08:36.15 | nvz | I need to go back to skool those long years learning foreign language fade away if you never use it outside of school |
| 08:36.21 | bucky | dpkg -i pwc-modules.deb |
| 08:36.27 | _ANtrAX_ | nvz podrias darme una mano |
| 08:36.37 | mdh | mi pollo no tiene ningún labio |
| 08:36.40 | xam | floppyears: changed license? |
| 08:36.45 | nvz | he |
| 08:36.48 | nvz | heh |
| 08:36.49 | bucky | ozzloy, dpkg -i pwc-modules.deb |
| 08:36.52 | ozzloy | bucky, wow, i think i get it now... i dl that .deb file and then run those commands? i've not used dpkg before, just apt-get |
| 08:36.59 | _ANtrAX_ | necestio bajarme la version 3.1 del debian |
| 08:37.04 | bucky | ozzloy, have fun |
| 08:37.05 | streuner | !es |
| 08:37.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:37.09 | tralala | !fgi debian+apache2+vs+apache |
| 08:37.09 | floppyears | xam: oh, is it more restrictive ? I thought apache was free :( |
| 08:37.17 | tralala | !fgi floppyears debian+apache2+vs+apache |
| 08:37.18 | dpkg | floppyears: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian+apache2+vs+apache |
| 08:37.24 | _ANtrAX_ | i need a direct link for download a debian 3.1 distribucion |
| 08:37.29 | _ANtrAX_ | no debian.org |
| 08:37.33 | _ANtrAX_ | or debian.com |
| 08:37.38 | _ANtrAX_ | not |
| 08:37.39 | liable | !d-i _ANtrAX_ |
| 08:37.40 | dpkg | _ANtrAX_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 08:37.57 | _ANtrAX_ | thanks |
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| 08:38.48 | floppyears | tralala: yes, I know google exists, I don't need you to remind me of it |
| 08:38.59 | floppyears | I ask here because there are lots of people who have a lot of knowledge |
| 08:39.01 | xam | floppyears: define free ;) |
| 08:39.17 | floppyears | xam: free as in freedom and as in beer |
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| 08:39.32 | yaboo | anyway to boot the debian cd and re-run lilo on a mount hdd partition? |
| 08:39.35 | ozzloy | bucky, thanx, it seems to be doing stuff |
| 08:39.45 | nvz | floppyears: people who don't like their knowlage being used in a statistical manner |
| 08:39.50 | nvz | !polls |
| 08:39.50 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 08:40.08 | nvz | hmm wrong one |
| 08:40.13 | wols | floppyears: many 3rd party plugins for apache might still not work with apache2 properly |
| 08:40.45 | floppyears | wols: thanks |
| 08:41.10 | floppyears | xam: thanks |
| 08:41.24 | nvz | yaboo: its called a chroot rescue |
| 08:41.24 | jeff99 | jm_ whats a good visualizer |
| 08:41.50 | nvz | yaboo: you boot the install cd, goto tty2, activate it, mount the partition, chroot, and run lilo |
| 08:41.56 | wols | yaboo: rescue boot debian with the partition of your borked install as a parameter |
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| 08:43.50 | ozzloy | damnit! all the .debs for the modules are for 2.6.11 kernels, not 2.6.8 |
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| 08:44.15 | L00thar | I suppose there's a connection between the Sarge release and security & non-US not having testing & unstable package lists anymore? |
| 08:44.36 | L00thar | Temporary maybe? |
| 08:44.41 | nvz | !topicsmite L00thar |
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| 08:44.41 | mrfrenzy | L00thar: permanent |
| 08:44.42 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon L00thar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:44.42 | sep | read the topioc |
| 08:44.48 | caphuso | L00thar: they're both gone |
| 08:44.50 | jm_ | jeff99: try them and see, I don't use that |
| 08:45.22 | nvz | heh |
| 08:45.26 | caphuso | that's a start >:-) |
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| 08:45.36 | ozzloy | i too am stupid |
| 08:45.57 | ozzloy | i have been working at this problem for too long... i need some sleep now |
| 08:46.15 | ozzloy | it seems as though the camera will have to wait |
| 08:46.28 | Kerr | chkrootkit is returning /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/.transgaming, /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/.transgaming eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[2583]) .. yet i'm pretty sure i've not been rooted. What gives? |
| 08:46.29 | L00thar | hey -- I'm spending a lot of time trying to help the Bolivian revolution. so shoot me if I can't keep up on geekdom. |
| 08:46.29 | nvz | there isnt anything interesting you can do with a webcam anyhow |
| 08:46.47 | Kerr | !shoot L00thar |
| 08:46.51 | Kerr | :) |
| 08:46.55 | nvz | damn beat me to i |
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| 08:46.58 | nvz | it |
| 08:47.02 | liable | Kerr: google false positive for it. |
| 08:47.06 | xam | Kerr: dhclient? |
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| 08:47.18 | Kerr | nvz: oh the wonders of having too much espresso |
| 08:47.33 | nvz | L00thar: apperently because you didnt know the BFG 9000 was from Doom |
| 08:47.37 | Kerr | lol |
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| 08:47.53 | L00thar | nvz: What's the diff.... |
| 08:48.05 | nvz | well in Quake you could jump, in doom you couldnt |
| 08:48.18 | L00thar | All I remember is that big hairy white thing trying to dismember me at the end... |
| 08:48.20 | nvz | for one thing |
| 08:48.29 | caphuso | you kinda could in doom 2, by running |
| 08:48.39 | caphuso | over holes and such |
| 08:49.05 | nvz | pffty |
| 08:49.12 | L00thar | adieu. |
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| 08:50.01 | nvz | its getting a tit bit nipply in here |
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| 08:50.18 | nilhu | Hi all! Q: How can I tell procmail to deliver mail over soft quota? "Hey you! You are started to eat disk space!" messages are not reaching their destinations. |
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| 08:50.26 | nilhu | (Sarge, postfix, procmail) |
| 08:50.59 | nvz | nilhu: as if they had reached their destination anyone would care. |
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| 08:51.35 | tralala | sandman-with-axe: he already left, stop trolling |
| 08:51.44 | nilhu | nvz: I'm not a native english speaker, I cannot interpret your writing :-) |
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| 08:52.11 | tiger1020x | hello all . i made a kernel image package for 2.6.11 and on loading of the kernel i get "/lib/modules/2.6.11/modules.dep no such file or directory" but i know it exists.. what am i doing wrong? |
| 08:52.12 | sh4dowcat | what other alternatives are there for playing music in Debian |
| 08:52.14 | sh4dowcat | except xmms? |
| 08:52.26 | wols | nilhu: put your mailspool on some other partition maybe |
| 08:52.30 | floppyears | sh4dowcat: you have mpd |
| 08:52.30 | sh4dowcat | tiger1020x: how did you make the kernel image? |
| 08:52.46 | nvz | nilhu: well what language would you rather me speak? |
| 08:52.49 | floppyears | sh4dowcat: in my opinion mpd is the best out there |
| 08:53.02 | tiger1020x | make kpkg -initrd kernel_image |
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| 08:53.26 | sh4dowcat | hmm... |
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| 08:53.30 | liable | tiger1020x: do you also have a debian 2.6.11 image? |
| 08:53.32 | tralala | tiger1020x: what you're doing wrong is that you're trying to do things you shouldn't |
| 08:53.40 | wols | sh4dowcat: mpg123 :) |
| 08:53.40 | nilhu | nvz: English is good. I am weak in english. :-) Just tell the same thing in another form if it is important. |
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| 08:53.45 | tiger1020x | yes i do |
| 08:54.03 | liable | tiger1020x: did you append a version to it? |
| 08:54.07 | sh4dowcat | I'm having lots of fun configuring xmms to use dmix |
| 08:54.07 | tiger1020x | tralala i did this with 2.6.6 so quiet |
| 08:54.09 | sh4dowcat | (not) |
| 08:54.15 | incorrect | what is the maximum length of a password is woody? |
| 08:54.19 | tiger1020x | no if i did it'd be custom |
| 08:54.25 | ircdevil | i need some assistance tracing a mail problem. my server emails a daily backup - but all of a sudden - i dont recieve the backup. |
| 08:54.29 | nvz | nilhu: no its not really important. I just said that people would not care that they are wasting your space if you emailed them and complained |
| 08:54.39 | liable | tiger1020x: yes, but your modules file doesnt append it |
| 08:54.48 | ircdevil | seems the server is not allowed to send email anymore |
| 08:54.57 | tiger1020x | try append to version=custom? |
| 08:55.06 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 08:55.14 | sep | ircdevil: on your server read your email, you likly got a bounce message |
| 08:55.17 | wols | ircdevil: ircdevil where do you send it? are you using a smarthost or smtp relay? |
| 08:55.17 | sh4dowcat | a music player with a gui perhaps? :P |
| 08:55.18 | nilhu | wols: ? There is 3.2 G space. Using the same partition for mails and user files is intentional. 80M mail and 20M data or 20M mail and 80M data. It is the same for me. |
| 08:55.27 | liable | tiger1020x: append-to-version=whatever (but something) |
| 08:55.37 | tiger1020x | i'll try that |
| 08:55.39 | sep | ircdevil: and it would in any case be in the mta logs |
| 08:55.53 | tiger1020x | if not what could it be? |
| 08:55.59 | ircdevil | wols: smtp relay |
| 08:56.16 | nvz | nilhu: Its the english language thats weak, and the yinzers that speak it not your understanding of it. |
| 08:56.18 | wols | ircdevil: so are you sure that relay accepts mail from you to relay? |
| 08:56.32 | tiger1020x | brb i'll try it.. thank you |
| 08:56.45 | ircdevil | wols: it used to - it is possible "they" changed this - i need to find out before complaining |
| 08:56.45 | nilhu | nvz: Sending email over quota is automatic. I want to disturb them automatically when they are eating too much. |
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| 08:57.06 | nilhu | nvz: It was working on the previous installation when I used sendmail (now I use postfix). |
| 08:57.10 | wols | ircdevil: look in your log. it should tell you |
| 08:57.35 | wols | nilhu: postfix doesn't deliver mail and therefore doesn't care about quota |
| 08:57.38 | wols | procmail does |
| 08:57.48 | nilhu | wols: I know. |
| 08:57.50 | nvz | nilhu: That does not sound like a good idea to me. Sending someone an email to tell them they have too many emails. |
| 08:58.18 | nvz | especially if they have a quota that will delete one of their mails from you sending them one to tell them they have too many |
| 08:58.20 | ircdevil | wols: status=deferred (conversation with 130.226.106.180[130.226.106.180] timed out while sending MAIL FROM) |
| 08:58.22 | nvz | heh |
| 08:58.29 | nilhu | wols: I don't remember how sendmail delivered mail. I know postfix delivers mail using procmail (on my system). Postfix refuses to write mail to inbox over soft quota. |
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| 08:58.49 | Kerr | hmm.. i have mixed sarge, testing, and unstable sources. How can i tell what release i'm actualy using? |
| 08:58.59 | sep | ircdevil: try telnet 130.226.106.180 25 if that dobnt connect your probably firewalled |
| 08:59.23 | wols | sep: if he gets as far as Mail From:, he already has a connection |
| 08:59.28 | sep | ircdevil: sorryt, misread |
| 08:59.30 | nvz | Kerr: you are using satchid |
| 08:59.32 | nilhu | nvz: They have 100M soft quota and 1G hard quota. They are recommended to remain under 100M but they can eat space up to 1G for a short period of time if they need it. |
| 08:59.36 | sep | wols: i saw :P |
| 08:59.40 | wols | could be a spamfilter on the other end which rejects him/his IP |
| 08:59.41 | ircdevil | sep: that went ok - i am connected |
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| 09:00.05 | Kerr | nvz: will that mess with security? |
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| 09:00.12 | wols | ircdevil: do you need to log in? use a username/pass for sending mail to them? |
| 09:00.21 | sep | ircdevil: type helo yourhostname then type mail from: sending email address |
| 09:00.31 | wols | Kerr: it will mess with stability at least |
| 09:00.42 | Kerr | never had a problem. |
| 09:00.44 | nvz | Kerr: heh, I think security is the least of your worries |
| 09:00.58 | Kerr | I think i set testing as the default release |
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| 09:01.07 | nvz | happy apt-getting :P |
| 09:01.13 | ircdevil | wols: no - it is an open relay when behind the firewall - but it may not like my mail headers? |
| 09:01.17 | Kerr | but i was drunk when i installed the nvidia drivers, which is the only way i could cope with their stupidity. |
| 09:01.49 | sep | ircdevil: if it hags at mail from: it seams it dont like your sending address. you should try providing a valid one when sending |
| 09:01.55 | nvz | nvidia drivers are so easy to use I didnt even think twice about them being non-free |
| 09:02.17 | ircdevil | sep: and how do i do that ? |
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| 09:02.43 | wols | ircdevil: from what you say, the relay has only two lines info from your end: "helo <hostname>" and "mail from: <sending address>" |
| 09:02.54 | wols | so they can only block based on info from either one of those |
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| 09:03.02 | wols | probably something from mail from: |
| 09:03.12 | Kerr | ah, i do have default release as testing. |
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| 09:03.20 | Kerr | i guess that answers my question |
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| 09:03.44 | ircdevil | wols: i am in doubt the <sending address> is proveded probably - eg, the line form the log doesnt say anything? |
| 09:03.56 | ircdevil | "sending MAIL FROM" |
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| 09:04.24 | Kerr | Using this machine as a desktop; am i better off with sarge or etch? |
| 09:04.24 | sep | ircdevil: look at the mailq, it should contain defered emails with the sending address |
| 09:04.46 | wols | ircdevil: you sent mail from: and after that the other end just simply stopped answering. that's how I interpret the line from your syslog |
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| 09:04.56 | streuner | Kerr: testing |
| 09:05.02 | caphuso | Kerr: sarge |
| 09:05.03 | wols | i.e. your end didn't even get the TCP ack from the other end |
| 09:05.05 | Morti | Heh. |
| 09:05.11 | caphuso | never use anything but stable, unless you have to |
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| 09:05.31 | Morti | Kerr: Up to you. What I do is use testing or unstable and don't update everything unless I have a particular need to. |
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| 09:05.43 | streuner | use always latest software avaiable and software which is already tested |
| 09:05.44 | Morti | Then you end up with a fairly recent snapshot of Debian with the software you want that works. |
| 09:05.53 | yaboo | nvz lilo fails to run |
| 09:05.57 | wols | Kerr: right now sarge. you can change in the future when sarge gets out of sync too much again. but not now (imho). It's not worth it right now to run testing |
| 09:06.01 | lestest | hi there anybody knows how to move the vim cursor in anther section of a splitted window? |
| 09:06.02 | ircdevil | wols: ok - that is a somethat unclear logline in my oppinion |
| 09:06.03 | Kerr | well, this box has been testing for about eight momths; but that was at the end stretch of the release cycle? |
| 09:06.08 | nvz | Kerr: once you mix you arent using debian anymore. its like saying you are in 12th grade, when you are still taking 9th grade english, 10th grade chemistry, and making up two years of Health Education or something. you can no longer really file useful debian bug reports or anything. |
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| 09:06.25 | djp | ok. my final issue. bluetooth. is it possible to get gnome-bluetooth working under debian 3.1 or is there a better alternative? |
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| 09:06.46 | streuner | most of the software in sarge is already outdated, you cant recommend it for desktop systems |
| 09:06.52 | xam | latest: ^W^W |
| 09:06.53 | Kerr | nvz: but the only working nvidia drivers are unstabke? |
| 09:06.58 | Kerr | unstable^ |
| 09:07.08 | ircdevil | sep: ok - looking at mailq - there are a log of deferred mails |
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| 09:07.15 | wols | Kerr: I don't believe you |
| 09:07.16 | streuner | or debian goes a really hard way then... |
| 09:07.17 | ircdevil | eh s/log/lot |
| 09:07.21 | nvz | Kerr: in my example, you dont graduate at the end of the year without going to summer school.. in the same respect, until you upgrade everything to one tree, you arent qualified as running debian |
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| 09:07.48 | tralala | lestest: if you type :map in vim you will see all the key mappings |
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| 09:07.54 | sep | there you see the sending email address |
| 09:08.06 | lestest | xam: tralala thankz |
| 09:08.21 | jethro | !irritate tralala |
| 09:08.22 | dpkg | tralala: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh quake3 U FUX0RZ |
| 09:08.26 | streuner | What do you wanna recommend in 1 year, if etch isnt released? still sarge? |
| 09:08.39 | tralala | jethro: it isn't old anymore :) |
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| 09:08.57 | jethro | tralala: you must be kidding! there's not even xorg ! ;) |
| 09:09.07 | tralala | heheh :) |
| 09:09.07 | wols | streuner: today != in one year |
| 09:09.07 | ircdevil | sep: ok - that would be root@rh.dk -> and i also see a message in mailq: said: 450 <root@rh.dk>: Recipient address rejected: Domain not found) root@rh.dk |
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| 09:09.34 | streuner | wols: thats not the question |
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| 09:09.50 | symoon | hi, has someone issues with screen since yesterday ? (it doesn't display some caracters, making unredeable man or irssi/bitchx) |
| 09:09.51 | daxxar | There's no problem with using dm-crypt on a software-mirrored (raid) device? |
| 09:09.57 | tralala | streuner: if sarge has everything the customer needs why not? |
| 09:09.58 | ircdevil | sep: so the smpt server doesnt allow mail from domain rh.dk anymore? |
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| 09:10.22 | Kerr | i guess i should elaborate: the testing (sarge at the time) nvidia drivers gave me a goofy splash screen with bits of garbled text. the unstable ones worked. :-/ |
| 09:10.23 | streuner | tralala: most new users and hoppers want still the latest software... |
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| 09:10.43 | tralala | streuner: want != need |
| 09:10.51 | streuner | tralala: say that to them |
| 09:11.07 | tralala | I'm saying it whenever I'm asked. |
| 09:11.09 | streuner | tralala: we know well enough everything is avaiable in debian |
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| 09:11.25 | loadd77 | hello I have a big problem while connectin from outside my lan with ssh trough my Dlink router. With ssh -vv i get to the channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768 |
| 09:11.33 | Kerr | if want != need then there should be a flood of users migrating back to debian from ubuntu :) |
| 09:11.37 | loadd77 | but never reacht to channel 0: rcvd adjust 131072 |
| 09:11.47 | djp | bluetooth under gnome in debian 3.1? |
| 09:11.52 | nvz | I wasnt aware there were nvidia drivers in debian. I got mine from nvidia.com when I tested them. and there was source and tools to build the drivers |
| 09:11.53 | Kerr | Unfortunatley in the real world people tend to go for the flashiest thing, not the thing they need. |
| 09:12.00 | tralala | Kerr: I didn't realize ubuntu had *that* many users... |
| 09:12.09 | loadd77 | Does somone of you has experience with dlink routers and ssh? |
| 09:12.22 | sh4dowcat | Kerr: heh I just *need* to get this sound mixer going |
| 09:12.32 | Kerr | tralala: It would be a small flood; like flooding a bathroom? |
| 09:12.43 | wols | sh4dowcat: says who? :P |
| 09:12.50 | tralala | djp: don't repeat. It will work in gnome if you get it to work outside gnome first. |
| 09:13.04 | sep | ircdevil: it actualy say domain not found... is that a valid domain ? |
| 09:13.14 | tralala | Kerr: :) |
| 09:13.16 | wols | loadd77: it sounds more like a dlink problem than a debian one... you have portforwarded port 22? |
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| 09:13.27 | djp | tralala: apologies. sorry can you explain? |
| 09:13.45 | sh4dowcat | wols: haha very funny |
| 09:13.53 | ircdevil | sep: well, what do you mean by valid? |
| 09:13.59 | sh4dowcat | wols: basically, I want xmms and firefox to be able to play sounds at the same time |
| 09:14.11 | wols | sep: whois has it, nslookup finds it too |
| 09:14.23 | ircdevil | wols: sep indeed |
| 09:14.38 | sep | ircdevil: as in exsisting beyond your host. and yes it is. |
| 09:14.39 | tralala | djp: the bluetooth support is in the kernel. Find out the modules that you need to load, load them and there you go (if your hw is supported, of course). |
| 09:14.50 | liable | sh4dowcat: look into dmix |
| 09:14.58 | yaboo | wols, nvz chroot lilo fails? |
| 09:15.05 | djp | tralalal: ok thanks |
| 09:15.12 | sep | ircdevil: hmm should it say domain not found root@rh.dk. it'd expect just the domain part.. rh.dk |
| 09:15.14 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.20 | Kerr | with^ |
| 09:15.42 | sh4dowcat | liable: I am |
| 09:15.43 | wols | yaboo: start from CD in rescue mode and append "root=/dev/path2yourdebianpartition" to your kernel boot line |
| 09:15.45 | sh4dowcat | not that it's helping |
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| 09:16.05 | liable | sh4dowcat: oh, ok. |
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| 09:17.23 | ircdevil | sep: well - i use postfix - and the domain name i supply there is willy.rh.dk -> i guess the domain name is stripped from that string? |
| 09:17.37 | ircdevil | sep: the root@ is prolly ok |
| 09:17.49 | yaboo | wols thanks |
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| 09:18.10 | sep | ircdevil: for willy.rh.dk i get no such domain.. |
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| 09:18.25 | xophEr | how do I change the owner of all files in a directory and its subdirs? |
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| 09:18.32 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 09:18.33 | sh4dowcat | funny |
| 09:18.35 | sep | xophEr: man chown |
| 09:18.51 | bob2 | xophEr: find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chown user:group |
| 09:18.55 | bob2 | in the dir |
| 09:18.55 | streuner | heh |
| 09:19.21 | ircdevil | sep: ? |
| 09:19.26 | streuner | sh4dowcat: URL? |
| 09:19.32 | bob2 | (assuming you meant files, not "files and directories") |
| 09:19.36 | ethics | chown |
| 09:19.45 | tralala | bob2: :) |
| 09:19.54 | bob2 | it's a single zsh glob, too |
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| 09:19.59 | bob2 | go zsh, it's your birthday |
| 09:20.03 | wols | bob2: occam's razor |
| 09:20.05 | xophEr | ok, Ill look into it |
| 09:20.07 | xophEr | thanks |
| 09:20.16 | ethics | sh4dowcat, need help? |
| 09:20.22 | bob2 | wols: hah, if you're using zsh, occam's razor *is* globs ;) |
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| 09:20.41 | sh4dowcat | ethics: bsically I'm just trying to get xmms and firefox to play sounds at the same time |
| 09:20.48 | sh4dowcat | without them locking up the sound system |
| 09:20.51 | mirkash | hi all. Have a problem: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable), E: Unable to lock the list directory |
| 09:20.58 | Pappa | all this time i've been using click-to-focus.. and sloppy focus is so much better :( |
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| 09:21.02 | bob2 | mirkash: pick ONE channel, dude |
| 09:21.06 | ircdevil | where does postfix get the domain name? |
| 09:21.11 | bob2 | ircdevil: the config file |
| 09:21.13 | Phated | Pappa: Duh. :) |
| 09:21.18 | mirkash | ok, this one. |
| 09:21.27 | mirkash | hi all. Have a problem: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable), E: Unable to lock the list directory |
| 09:21.28 | sh4dowcat | streuner: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882&highlight=hear+multiple+sound |
| 09:21.29 | streuner | ircdevil: /etc/hosts? |
| 09:21.30 | bob2 | Pappa: everyone has that realisation at some point ;) |
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| 09:21.38 | Pappa | feels like i've wasted my life |
| 09:21.41 | ethics | sh4dowcat, only way ive managed to get 2 things running at once was via Jack |
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| 09:21.52 | bob2 | haha |
| 09:21.53 | ircdevil | streuner: how about /etc/mailname? |
| 09:21.54 | jm_ | I used to like focus follow mouse all those years ago |
| 09:21.59 | sh4dowcat | ethics: hee thanks for the encouragement :P |
| 09:22.03 | sh4dowcat | gee* |
| 09:22.09 | ircdevil | bob2: what line would that be in main.cf? |
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| 09:22.15 | streuner | ircdevil: no idea, never need that... |
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| 09:22.44 | streuner | sh4dowcat: get a emu10k1 chip sound card, done. |
| 09:22.45 | tralala | mirkash: do you have another apt-get or aptitude running? |
| 09:23.01 | streuner | sh4dowcat: about 10 bucks second hand |
| 09:23.03 | bob2 | ircdevil: domainname, iirc |
| 09:23.09 | sh4dowcat | streuner: great |
| 09:23.10 | bob2 | ircdevil: otherwise it strips the first bit from myhostname |
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| 09:23.15 | sh4dowcat | now find a way to solder it into my laptop |
| 09:23.23 | streuner | :-) |
| 09:23.29 | Rage__ | ethics: ALSA can do it apparently, it has abuiltin mixer, tell me if you get it working, it just needs some comments taken out of one conf file. |
| 09:23.47 | streuner | sh4dowcat: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 09:23.54 | sh4dowcat | streuner: ya no shit |
| 09:23.58 | sh4dowcat | it ain't helping |
| 09:23.59 | xam | Pappa: all those needless mouse clicks all these years ... what a waste |
| 09:24.02 | Rage__ | ethics: It no work for me though, but then again my shound drivers are knackered. |
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| 09:24.49 | Rage__ | ethics: /etc/asound.conf |
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| 09:25.01 | sh4dowcat | streuner: I've followed the dmix guide |
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| 09:25.04 | sh4dowcat | still nothing |
| 09:25.06 | jose2222_ | hello |
| 09:25.29 | bluezzy | is there someone who already use regex for ncurses form field verification ? I need some help |
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| 09:25.37 | Rage__ | sh4dowcat: ethics: ALSA can do it apparently, it has abuiltin mixer, tell me if you get it working, it just needs some comments taken out of one conf file. |
| 09:25.45 | mirkash | tralala, /usr/lib/apt/methods/http, python /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check, I have these two processes running. Shoul I kill them? |
| 09:25.54 | Rage__ | sh4dowcat: It no work for me though, but then again my shound drivers are knackered. |
| 09:26.05 | Rage__ | Shorty`: /etc/asound.conf |
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| 09:26.24 | Rage__ | sh4dowcat: /etc/asound.conf |
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| 09:26.36 | tralala | mirkash: only if they are locking the database or if killing them isn't going to cause you problems |
| 09:27.15 | s-toned | updatedb/locate works very well for file search; is there something similar for full-text-search (rgrep with an index database)? (beagle seems to be for unstable only) |
| 09:27.41 | challenged | rage, Shadowcat umm thats not really a dual sound solution its a dual service solution isnt it....or is esd using the oss part ? |
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| 09:27.48 | cahoot | sh4dowcat: this is a good site: www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundAlsa.html |
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| 09:28.25 | timt | hi guys, whats the command used to install a new NIC?? |
| 09:28.38 | Rage__ | Eclipser: sh4dowcat: esd is oss |
| 09:28.44 | jose2222_ | is there a way in iptables to close established connections? i mean: when i close a port if there was an active connection, it will continue established until it is closed. can i avoid this? |
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| 09:28.53 | streuner | cahoot: the URL doesnt work - NOT FOUND |
| 09:28.57 | Guerin | timt: you don't use a command to install a nic - you put a bit of hardware into a slot |
| 09:29.08 | Rage__ | challenged: sh4dowcat: esd is oss |
| 09:29.10 | mathieu | timt, insert it, load the appropriate module, add directives to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:29.13 | bob2 | jose2222_: I'd assume it would block packets immediately |
| 09:29.18 | tralala | jose2222_: there is, but it is off-topic |
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| 09:29.20 | bbrazil | jose2222_: I don't think so, kill the process |
| 09:29.21 | cahoot | streuner: hmm typed by hand - might be some typo |
| 09:29.35 | Rage__ | Sorry all, I am having serious problems hitting the right nick today. |
| 09:29.40 | sh4dowcat | right |
| 09:29.48 | sh4dowcat | homefully this won't crash firefox again |
| 09:30.00 | sh4dowcat | cahoot: dead link |
| 09:30.04 | cahoot | no |
| 09:30.14 | cahoot | google found it and connected |
| 09:30.15 | timt | I remembwe issuing a command where it asked me which module to load and also what king of NIC it was ? |
| 09:30.25 | simonrvn | fuck. isp routing fubar. just now came back (or not so long ago) |
| 09:30.28 | bbrazil | timt: modconf |
| 09:30.39 | timt | bbrazil : thanks |
| 09:30.56 | challenged | rage, yeah but if i run 2 x alsa based apps it will still die |
| 09:31.03 | Guerin | simonrvn: at least your isp isn't giving you their poisoned dns servers by dhcp |
| 09:31.13 | jose2222_ | ¿kill the process? ¿which one? |
| 09:31.16 | simonrvn | i do my own |
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| 09:31.28 | wols | Guerin: so which hosts does your ISP protect your from? |
| 09:31.29 | cahoot | streuner and sh4dowcat google found it and connected |
| 09:31.31 | nvz | oh well I am way past my useful stage, I should go to sleep until I feel like being productive :P |
| 09:31.34 | bbrazil | jose2222_: /proc/net/tcp |
| 09:31.37 | wols | whitehosue.gov? peoplesdialy.cn? |
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| 09:31.43 | Guerin | simonrvn: so do I ... but until now I hadn't bothered to tell my dhcp client |
| 09:31.50 | simonrvn | ah |
| 09:31.55 | Guerin | wols: 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 09:32.05 | Rage__ | challenged: I thought the mixer acted like ther were multaple channels avalable, as long as you are playing through alsa you can use as many as you want...? |
| 09:32.06 | sh4dowcat | cahoot: hmm... |
| 09:32.08 | challenged | rage: or is there some other magic i dont understand in the new lib? |
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| 09:32.27 | jose2222_ | bbrazil: won't that kill all active connections? |
| 09:32.28 | Pappa | any nice software for having clickable icons in my root window? (Like idesk, only _nice_ software) |
| 09:32.36 | wols | Guerin: you must have a very simple internet |
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| 09:32.43 | bbrazil | jose2222_: depends on what you want to do |
| 09:32.45 | Guerin | Pappa: sorry, no such thing as nice desktop software. |
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| 09:32.50 | runedude | hey all.. just wondering, what is the "network" option in the iface /etc/network/interfaces supposed to be for? because.. i have a static IP set, and it isnt connectable to putty, from my windows computer |
| 09:32.50 | Guerin | wols: why? |
| 09:32.50 | nvz | heh |
| 09:32.50 | bbrazil | jose2222_: play with it |
| 09:32.55 | oskie | i need an ftp client during the debian installer... how can I get that+ |
| 09:33.06 | challenged | rage, thats what i would expect but thats not mixing thats splicing....2 in one comes out but they dont go in together they enter from different spots... |
| 09:33.12 | Guerin | oskie: probably can't. Why do you? |
| 09:33.28 | bbrazil | runedude: the subnet |
| 09:33.31 | challenged | rage, sorta like having wav & midi at the same time...talks different stuff.. |
| 09:33.31 | simonrvn | creative chrooting and apt-getting |
| 09:33.46 | Rage__ | challenged: there is a mixer server or something, google and you will find that editing the file /etc/saound.conf will allow multiple alsa sound apps to play at once, although it not work for me... :-D |
| 09:33.49 | runedude | bbrazil : so.. 192.168.1.1 iif thats my router IP, thats why I set "network " to? |
| 09:33.53 | oskie | Guerin: need to transfer some files from the machine booted with debian to another machine in the network |
| 09:33.55 | Pappa | duh |
| 09:34.01 | Pappa | ~/.asoundrc |
| 09:34.03 | nvz | Pappa: nautilus, kdesktop, desklaunch, fbdesk, idesk. thats pretty much the options in debian |
| 09:34.14 | bbrazil | runedude: no, i'd set it 192.168.0.0 (assuming a class B) |
| 09:34.23 | Whisky_ | I edited a user's files as root and now that user doesnt have the permission to them. How do i restore his permissions > |
| 09:34.24 | oskie | Guerin: and somehow netcat doesn't seem to work |
| 09:34.27 | Guerin | oskie: hrm. |
| 09:34.31 | runedude | bbrazil .. ok, but.. my router IP is in the 192.168.1 range? |
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| 09:34.33 | bbrazil | Whisky_: chown |
| 09:34.34 | simonrvn | Whisky_: info chmod |
| 09:34.38 | runedude | and so are all my computers |
| 09:34.40 | simonrvn | info chown |
| 09:34.43 | challenged | Rage__, koo ill have a play but it doesnt quite jig right to me 8)...ill definately play tho just making a new kernel atm |
| 09:34.44 | nvz | Pappa: the light weight ones usually require manual configuration |
| 09:34.50 | bbrazil | runedude: are you class C or class B? |
| 09:34.51 | Whisky_ | k |
| 09:34.59 | oskie | Guerin: oh well I'll try with netcat again |
| 09:35.00 | runedude | How do I know what class I am? |
| 09:35.10 | Guerin | classes are deprecated |
| 09:35.14 | xam | bbrazil I guess you mean class C |
| 09:35.14 | bbrazil | runedude: whats your netmask/broadcast? |
| 09:35.19 | Pappa | nvz: idesk is working, but it keeps segfaulting on a lot of images (picky png support?) |
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| 09:35.21 | runedude | 192.168.1.105? |
| 09:35.30 | runedude | That's my debian box IP |
| 09:35.43 | bbrazil | xam: I'm trying to figure out. 192.168 is class B but some routers use a class C |
| 09:35.53 | runedude | oh, then im B? |
| 09:35.54 | runedude | lol |
| 09:35.58 | Pappa | http://rafb.net/paste/results/6Qv5lu83.html <- that works for me and alsa. |
| 09:36.01 | bbrazil | runedude: you haven't told us yet |
| 09:36.02 | Guerin | runedude: no. |
| 09:36.07 | Pappa | However, timidity screws up with it |
| 09:36.10 | xam | runedune: somehow i can't ping you :) |
| 09:36.20 | simonrvn | duh |
| 09:36.22 | runedude | xam: Well.. my router blocks alot of traffic. |
| 09:36.27 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 09:36.28 | runedude | I can only open ports. :P Lol. |
| 09:36.33 | bbrazil | runedude: don't block ping |
| 09:36.34 | simonrvn | he was making an old joke |
| 09:36.49 | oskie | Guerin: doh. it's netcat -l -p XXX not netcat -l XXX |
| 09:36.52 | runedude | bbrazil - give me 1 good reason not to? |
| 09:36.56 | tralala | Pappa: dfm? |
| 09:36.57 | Guerin | oskie: heh. |
| 09:37.05 | xam | bbrazil: 192.168.x is class C as mentioned in the rfc |
| 09:37.06 | bbrazil | runedude: because I'll send some very big people after you |
| 09:37.17 | runedude | big people how? |
| 09:37.17 | streuner | Phated: you like school so far? |
| 09:37.22 | Phated | streuner: Love it! |
| 09:37.25 | runedude | >.< Come on. I'm not here to start fights. |
| 09:37.40 | streuner | Phated: thats mostly with 'new' things ... ;-) |
| 09:37.43 | jethro | runedude: only overpaid underbrained morons would block ALL icmp |
| 09:37.45 | Phated | streuner: Third week now. |
| 09:38.01 | bbrazil | xam: but 192.168/16 is a class B |
| 09:38.18 | Pappa | look into http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?company=Generic&card=Generic&chip=Generic&module=Generic#softmix as well |
| 09:38.22 | Phated | But it's probably not /16. He never did say. |
| 09:38.25 | jethro | runedude: you usually want a few types allowed, 0,3,8,11 at least |
| 09:38.31 | runedude | jethro but its a GOOD thing to block pings, not BAD. |
| 09:38.34 | Pappa | tralala: ? |
| 09:38.43 | simonrvn | runedude: no, it isn't |
| 09:38.47 | bbrazil | runedude: no, its a very bad thing. It makes debugging really difficult |
| 09:38.49 | simonrvn | grow a clue |
| 09:38.53 | Guerin | no, blocking ping is VERY ungood |
| 09:38.57 | runedude | who needs to debug on my fucking IP? |
| 09:38.59 | runedude | no one. |
| 09:39.02 | xam | bbrazil: nobody who is right in their mind uses 192.168./16 |
| 09:39.03 | tralala | Pappa: you were looking for desktop icons, weren't you? |
| 09:39.04 | Guerin | it's something windows users do to be 1337 |
| 09:39.09 | jethro | runedude: if you hired underbrained admins, you want ping, since they only rely on ping to tell if the network's ok. |
| 09:39.09 | bbrazil | xam: I have |
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| 09:39.36 | Pappa | tralala: yes, but googling for "dfm" just won't give that many useful results ;) |
| 09:39.46 | runedude | I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
| 09:39.46 | simonrvn | also only overpaid underbrained morons think having a nick of root is l33t |
| 09:39.56 | bob2 | "degree in computers", haha |
| 09:40.01 | bob2 | blocking icmp is dumb |
| 09:40.03 | tralala | Pappa: but apt-caching will |
| 09:40.09 | runedude | k, i dont care? Lol. |
| 09:40.11 | Pappa | you don't block icmp, you filter it. |
| 09:40.12 | runedude | It's not changing. |
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| 09:40.15 | bbrazil | I don't think they're had computer degrees that long |
| 09:40.15 | simonrvn | uh hunh. "shuddup or my daddy will come after you" |
| 09:40.17 | Guerin | qotd |
| 09:40.20 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:40.30 | runedude | no |
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| 09:40.34 | runedude | he's away most of the time, thank you. |
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| 09:40.53 | Pappa | tralala: mm |
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| 09:41.11 | Guerin | !qotd127 is < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
| 09:41.11 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 09:41.25 | simonrvn | qotw |
| 09:41.27 | tralala | !mm |
| 09:41.28 | dpkg | i guess mm is Myanmar (Burma) |
| 09:41.33 | tralala | ? |
| 09:41.33 | Guerin | !qotdx =~ s/126/126|127/ |
| 09:41.33 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '126', Guerin |
| 09:41.41 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:41.45 | Guerin | !qotd0 =~ s/126/126|127/ |
| 09:41.46 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 09:41.52 | runedude | listen, i dont come here to get insulted. I dont even know why this all came up in the first place. |
| 09:41.52 | directhex|work | blocking icmp IS dumb |
| 09:41.57 | jethro | simonrvn: you need to know every time you use OUM, you owe alan cox a beer. he created it. |
| 09:42.08 | _root_ | when trying to unpack a tar.gz while running rescue, it fails,can't exec gzip |
| 09:42.10 | jethro | directhex|work: blocking ALL icmp is dumb. |
| 09:42.10 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 09:42.12 | tralala | runedude: neither do we |
| 09:42.22 | jethro | simonrvn: OUM as in overpaid underbrained morons |
| 09:42.23 | timt | I am just trying to network to sarge boxes together as p2p, but the NICs on both boxes dont seem to detect each other?? anyone ?? |
| 09:42.27 | simonrvn | oh |
| 09:42.32 | runedude | tralala I didnt insult anyone here, I didnt disrespect anyone. |
| 09:42.33 | directhex|work | jethro, well, yes |
| 09:42.37 | Guerin | _root_: that can happen if you don't have gunzip installed |
| 09:42.39 | simonrvn | i already paid my dues ;p |
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| 09:42.58 | jethro | directhex|work: allowing 0,3,8 and 11 and blocking the remaining types is usually safe and wise. |
| 09:43.05 | simonrvn | gzip. gunzip is just a hard link |
| 09:43.06 | Guerin | runedude: you said stupid shit. We noted how stupid it was in a variety of ways. Deal. |
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| 09:43.19 | runedude | Guerin how did I say stupid shit? |
| 09:43.20 | directhex|work | jethro, as long as i keep ahold of my pings, i'm placated |
| 09:43.20 | tralala | runedude: asking stupid/off-topic questions and waisting people time == insulting |
| 09:43.21 | bbrazil | timt: use a crossover cable/hub/switch |
| 09:43.32 | Guerin | runedude: /lastlog runedude |
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| 09:43.37 | runedude | Off topic? |
| 09:43.39 | wols | timt: put both PCs in the same subnet. install a server of some sort (samba, apache, ftpd,etc) on at least one |
| 09:43.40 | simonrvn | 'wasting'. i wonder how you'd 'waist' time |
| 09:43.57 | Phated | Dali clocks! |
| 09:43.57 | runedude | Lol.. How is networking on debian a offtopic topic? |
| 09:43.59 | RainbowW | yes yes i understand a direct sid -> sarge downgrade not possible. generally speaking tho (and i know no promises), config files for crap like apache2 and mysql should be backward compatible, yes? |
| 09:44.00 | _root_ | Guerin : its already installed |
| 09:44.11 | Guerin | runedude: anyway, it's no big deal. not even a blip on the #debian troll-o-meter |
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| 09:44.20 | jethro | runedude: that's not networking on debian, that's general networking practices. |
| 09:44.24 | Guerin | runedude: we'll all get over it if you do |
| 09:44.36 | Guerin | RainbowW: hahaha |
| 09:44.38 | timt | wols: thanks, Ill try that. |
| 09:44.44 | Guerin | RainbowW: good luck with that. |
| 09:45.02 | runedude | jethro so people are all supposed to know about networking 100%? i doubt that... |
| 09:45.07 | RainbowW | Guerin: better known as preserve configs, wipe and reinstall. that's why i'm asking. |
| 09:45.18 | tralala | !irritate jethro |
| 09:45.19 | dpkg | jethro: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses cable kk |
| 09:45.20 | runedude | i always used DHCP from my router, I havent set up a static IP before. |
| 09:45.27 | Guerin | RainbowW: ah yeah. Should work at least moderately well. |
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| 09:45.39 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 09:45.40 | Guerin | runedude: and yet your dad has a Degree In Computers! |
| 09:45.40 | xam | dpkg shut up |
| 09:45.41 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 09:45.45 | xam | ;) |
| 09:45.48 | simonrvn | ah better |
| 09:45.50 | bob2 | anyway |
| 09:45.53 | bob2 | enough trolling of runedude |
| 09:46.00 | tralala | :) |
| 09:46.02 | bob2 | he's been shown to be out of his/her depth enough |
| 09:46.09 | runedude | Guerin - my dad isnt around most of the time, thanks for that. |
| 09:46.21 | runedude | Guerin - he mostly has to travel for his job, i dont get to see him alot |
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| 09:46.36 | RainbowW | is there crap in sid that calls exim directly, even when the sendmail wrapper has been replaced with something else? |
| 09:46.42 | amorphix | ive just installed my newly compiled kernel package, but im getting a kernel panic on booting it, says couldnt mount the block device, and to change the boot = parameter, well the boot device looks correct.. where do i edit this? |
| 09:46.51 | Guerin | runedude: anyhow. what was your actual problem? |
| 09:46.52 | runedude | brb |
| 09:47.03 | runedude | Guerin it doesnt matter anymore, ill fix it later on my own |
| 09:47.04 | runedude | bbl |
| 09:47.05 | bob2 | RainbowW: no, but lots of still will Depend on mail-transport-agent |
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| 09:47.16 | wolaopa | recommend a free 3D-animation package which can run on 'testing'? |
| 09:47.26 | directhex|work | amorphix, fix your kernel image! filesystems, disk controllers, things like that. or the easy peasy --initrd flag to make-kpkg |
| 09:47.33 | directhex|work | wolaopa, blender |
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| 09:47.36 | RainbowW | bob2: i understand that, i'm just trying to understand why the queue is so large. |
| 09:47.48 | amorphix | damn |
| 09:47.57 | timt | wols; samba has started but still nothing?? is there anything additional I can do?? |
| 09:48.01 | wolaopa | directhex|work, great, how big is it roughly? |
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| 09:48.14 | wols | timt: yes, configuring samba. setting up shares |
| 09:48.17 | directhex|work | !info blender |
| 09:48.19 | dpkg | blender: (Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.36-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3840 kB, Installed size: 9876 kB |
| 09:48.31 | amorphix | directhex: thanks, i must of missed that |
| 09:48.33 | directhex|work | wolaopa, 9.8MB |
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| 09:48.42 | Rage__ | sh4dowcat: character: http://wiki2.archlinux.org/index.php/Alsa,%20XMMS%20and%20GAIM appears to work xmms/mplayer but should work with all cos of the liboa.conf tweek. |
| 09:48.51 | amorphix | ive just bought a HP Omnibook 6000 laptop and im setting it up |
| 09:49.00 | wolaopa | directhex|work, thks for the size info. you use it before? |
| 09:49.00 | amorphix | now ive decided i dont want it tho |
| 09:49.04 | yang | Is there a package in debian, that lets you use virtual servers environment, each with own root? |
| 09:49.17 | directhex|work | wolaopa, only looked at it briefly on BeOS |
| 09:49.20 | Guerin | yang: xen, uml |
| 09:49.28 | amorphix | good spec and tidy machine if anyone is interested :P |
| 09:49.48 | timt | wols: I have got shares there cos I can grab them from my windows machine, but the pc connected directly into the samba box still cannot sync with its nic ?? |
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| 09:50.05 | directhex|work | amorphix, i've been delighted with my dell, i'll keep that |
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| 09:50.13 | wols | timt: can each machin ping the other? |
| 09:50.17 | jimi | hey can someone please portscan me? |
| 09:50.31 | jimi | jimbo7.mine.nu? |
| 09:50.36 | ethics | yay new fully working kernel...love it when something actually goes well |
| 09:50.54 | amorphix | i did consider getting a dell but they dont seem too slim unless you're willing pay alot of money |
| 09:50.56 | wolaopa | jimi, how to do that? |
| 09:51.10 | Rage__ | ethics: what k version? |
| 09:51.16 | jimi | nmap |
| 09:51.17 | Guerin | dell hell schmell |
| 09:51.35 | tralala | ibm |
| 09:51.48 | tralala | not any longer though... |
| 09:51.50 | xam | tadpole |
| 09:51.51 | timt | no thats what I mean, I have the 2 nics in the samba box, one goes into switch, and the other is connected directly to another sarge box, yet the NICs led dont light up. I am using a crossover and have tried a straight aswell. both nics are working also. |
| 09:51.55 | Guerin | jimi: Host seems down. |
| 09:52.16 | directhex|work | amorphix, got it from work. 1.7kg thing. i'd get the 1.15kg model if i was paying myself, it's about half the cost of an equivalent vaio |
| 09:52.27 | ethics | Rage__, 2.6.11-12 plus some new kernel mods |
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| 09:52.35 | wols | timt: why not connect the 2nd sarge box to the switch as well? have you loaded a driver for the NIC? |
| 09:52.43 | wolaopa | Guerin, is this nmap a command? |
| 09:52.49 | jimi | Guerin: that seems strange.. could you try 220.244.240.59 ? |
| 09:52.49 | Guerin | wolaopa: yes. |
| 09:52.52 | wols | timt: have you configure the NIC in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:53.03 | RainbowW | when preserving basic configuration from sid, i need to back up /etc, /var, and anything else? |
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| 09:53.11 | Guerin | jimi: -P0 worked |
| 09:53.13 | tralala | directhex|work: does linux support all the hw inside? |
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| 09:53.19 | wolaopa | Guerin, i tried but bash said command not found. |
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| 09:53.23 | amorphix | directhex: sounds light, my HP Omnibook is 2.2kg |
| 09:53.38 | djp | i am trying to setup my printer under gnome via desktop preferences/system tools/printing, however i get the message "CUPS server could not be contacted"? |
| 09:53.41 | Guerin | jimi: 22/tcp open ssh |
| 09:53.46 | Guerin | jimi: nothing else |
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| 09:53.56 | Guerin | !tell wolaopa about installit |
| 09:54.02 | tralala | djp: you need to install and run cups |
| 09:54.10 | directhex|work | tralala, depends on the kernel and x server. ubuntu 5.04 works flawlessly, including 3d support, ACPI suspending, wireless. debian wouldn't install, nor would fedora. suse doesn't have the 3d support. |
| 09:54.11 | amorphix | directhex: I'm getting a warning about using initrd option on make-kpkg, is it ok to proceed or do i need to make other changes? |
| 09:54.12 | timt | not enough ports on the switch. both drivers have been loaded and both do work cos Ive tested them one by one on the switch.I have configured the /etc/network/interfaces. but the leds, dont light up when both boxes are connected directly to each other??? |
| 09:54.12 | jimi | Guerin: thanks for that! |
| 09:54.25 | djp | tralala: thanks |
| 09:54.32 | wols | amorphix: why do you use initrd in the first place? |
| 09:54.35 | wolaopa | Guerin, thks, package is nmap? |
| 09:54.36 | directhex|work | amorphix, i think that's an obsolete message from 2.2 kernel days |
| 09:54.40 | amorphix | oh |
| 09:54.49 | Guerin | !tell wolaopa about search |
| 09:54.50 | amorphix | wols: because my kernel image wouldnt boot |
| 09:54.52 | sh4dowcat | thanks Rage__ |
| 09:54.57 | sh4dowcat | bah, now for another reboot |
| 09:55.08 | jimi | wolaopa: apt-get install nmap |
| 09:55.28 | wols | amorphix: then install the stuff it needs to boot inside the kernel. it will probably be harder to get it to wrok with an initrd than compiling it properly in the first place |
| 09:55.38 | amorphix | directhex: is your Dell quiet? |
| 09:55.44 | wolaopa | Guerin, i understand, you are a busy guy. jimi, got it. what is the purpose of this software? |
| 09:55.47 | jethro | amorphix: mine is. |
| 09:55.56 | Guerin | wolaopa: man nmap |
| 09:55.59 | directhex|work | amorphix, the fan rarely turns itself on, it's silent when the fan's off |
| 09:56.08 | djp | tralala: is that cupsys? do i need to install anything else? |
| 09:56.15 | Guerin | wolaopa: I'm not that busy - I just want you to learn to use the tools you have at your disposal |
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| 09:56.19 | amorphix | wols: well i dont know what it needs to boot...it failed on mounting the block device |
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| 09:56.38 | tralala | djp: I don't know. Check apt-cache |
| 09:56.44 | xam | smorphix my dell latitude c610 is a noisy fucker, especially the hard disk |
| 09:56.49 | amorphix | hehe |
| 09:56.50 | djp | tralala: will do |
| 09:56.55 | directhex|work | amorphix, ubuntu supports CPU frequency scaling on modern CPUs, so it sits at 800mhz when not under load - and never even considers getting hot with the cpu at that speed |
| 09:56.59 | jethro | xam: c610 is like from the past decade |
| 09:57.04 | petemc | my latitude d400 is spot on, pretty quiet |
| 09:57.12 | jethro | petemc: so is my d800 |
| 09:57.17 | wols | amorphix: it needs the IDE chipset driver and the filesystem driver for your root partition |
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| 09:57.24 | amorphix | im trying to find the ideal P3 laptop, something that's light, slim profile but with a decent screen |
| 09:57.36 | Guerin | amorphix: ibm t20? |
| 09:57.44 | petemc | dare i say it, a mac |
| 09:57.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:57.52 | amorphix | wols: oh i must of screwed up on the config menu options |
| 09:57.53 | jethro | heh |
| 09:57.55 | amorphix | thanks |
| 09:58.00 | yang | Guerin: xen package is only available for i386 :/ |
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| 09:58.05 | directhex|work | amorphix, p3??? |
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| 09:58.10 | ethics | so gnome sound is all esd? |
| 09:58.15 | Guerin | yang: yeah. Dunno about UML. |
| 09:58.15 | xam | jethro: well, the uni didn't want to spend too much those days |
| 09:58.18 | amorphix | Guerin: i might try IBM next, after toshiba |
| 09:58.20 | directhex|work | ethics, the gnome sound server is, yes |
| 09:58.32 | Guerin | amorphix: i have an old toshiba, and it's the shit. |
| 09:58.35 | amorphix | directhex: im poor, it's all i can afford! all my systems are P3 here |
| 09:58.45 | amorphix | Guerin: which model? |
| 09:59.03 | jethro | xam: you can get dell laptops for less than 600 euros nowadays |
| 09:59.05 | Guerin | amorphix: tecra 8000 - p2-233 , 1997 and kicked arse in five countries. |
| 09:59.09 | jethro | xam: and I mean new ones. |
| 09:59.13 | wolaopa | Guerin, glad to know you are not too busy. man would only tell you after the download, which may turn out to be wasteful. better to know before the download. |
| 09:59.15 | amorphix | phew |
| 09:59.19 | directhex|work | amorphix, i don't know about second hand stuff |
| 09:59.39 | amorphix | Toshiba make fine laptops |
| 09:59.53 | jethro | !start a manufacturer war |
| 09:59.57 | amorphix | haha |
| 10:00.00 | Guerin | wolaopa: bah, there's always google. As ought to have been obvious from jimi's request, it's a portscanner. |
| 10:00.01 | jethro | :) |
| 10:00.06 | tralala | wolaopa: in google man nmap |
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| 10:00.21 | runedude | yay, woot :) I did it fine :) I fixed the networking issue, I was missing the "gateway" option. |
| 10:00.55 | tralala | runedude: great, thank you, good bye |
| 10:01.00 | xam | runeway: "getaway" ? ;) |
| 10:01.06 | directhex|work | amorphix, my dad had a toshiba, it had horrible stability issues, had a screen failure just before the warranty expired (and they tried to claim it was out of warranty), and the "repairs" made things worse |
| 10:01.27 | Guerin | directhex|work: that sucks. |
| 10:01.28 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 10:01.30 | sh4dowcat | heh this is wonderful |
| 10:01.39 | sh4dowcat | arts refuses to detect the sound card |
| 10:01.44 | sh4dowcat | but yet xmms sees it |
| 10:01.51 | amorphix | ive totally gone off the idea of getting a mac powerbook now, too many reliability issues with them it seems |
| 10:01.59 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: sounds like best-case scenario to me |
| 10:02.05 | wolaopa | chat is an interactive, more sociable way of getting info. searching the web all by yourself all day would turn you into a web hermit. |
| 10:02.09 | directhex|work | i REALLY like my dell laptop. also, i love my dell TFT |
| 10:02.23 | amorphix | the problem with laptops with extended use, is the amount of heat they generate eh. even P3 laptops get very hot |
| 10:02.32 | RainbowW | what username does the ssh install console use? |
| 10:02.40 | wols | amorphix: even ULV? |
| 10:02.53 | amorphix | wols: whats ULV? |
| 10:02.57 | directhex|work | amorphix, pentium m runs very cool. that's the genius of them. |
| 10:02.58 | wolaopa | anyway, thks for all the info. |
| 10:03.00 | tralala | wolaopa: asking questions that are answered in the web would turn you into a moron |
| 10:03.00 | wols | ultra low voltage |
| 10:03.25 | RainbowW | i frequently burn myself on my p3 laptop. :-( |
| 10:03.30 | EmleyMoor | What's the best way to set up alsa so that my sound cards are in the order I want them? Also, is there a good GUI recording program that supports recording from a user-specified card? |
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| 10:03.38 | amorphix | i have two laptops running Pentium M cpu's but they still get quite hot after 8 hrs |
| 10:03.44 | xam | wols like -125V ? |
| 10:03.47 | directhex|work | EmleyMoor, you can set a card order in an asound.conf/asoundrc |
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| 10:03.54 | sh4dowcat | Guerin: not really |
| 10:04.02 | directhex|work | amorphix, running what os, and what type of p-m? |
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| 10:04.28 | wols | xam: if you show me a CPU running at 120+V, I show you a block of cinder |
| 10:04.43 | amorphix | directhex: Debian and XP |
| 10:04.45 | ethics | gst-plugins-alsa is in sid seperate? |
| 10:05.03 | EmleyMoor | directhex|work: Located where? |
| 10:05.05 | LozPrime | I am new running a virtual domain server and need some guidance - is this the right channel? |
| 10:05.15 | wolaopa | tralala, in this case, if you have not joined the chat, i wouldn't that such a thing as nmap exist, in the first place. |
| 10:05.17 | directhex|work | amorphix, that could be part of the problem, assuming Dothan and not Banias |
| 10:05.19 | tralala | LozPrime: no |
| 10:05.23 | RichiH | LozPrime: if it's running debian, yes |
| 10:05.28 | directhex|work | EmleyMoor, ~/.asoundrc, or /etc/asound.conf |
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| 10:05.51 | wolaopa | i mean, 'if i' |
| 10:05.53 | EmleyMoor | How do I get /etc/asound.conf? It's absent |
| 10:05.57 | LozPrime | It is running Debian |
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| 10:05.59 | ethics | amorphix, well speedstep & heat monitoring is getting better...2.6 kernels are making good progress on them all it seems |
| 10:06.00 | amorphix | the fans never seem to come on |
| 10:06.00 | directhex|work | EmleyMoor, you make one. |
| 10:06.12 | amorphix | i need to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 10:06.22 | EmleyMoor | ... with/containing what? |
| 10:06.34 | directhex|work | ethics, 2.6.11 certainly has antiquated (i.e. mid 1994) speedstep capabilities. a handy patch found in ubuntu kernels is needed for newer hardware |
| 10:06.40 | EmleyMoor | apropos alsa |
| 10:06.42 | EmleyMoor | Oops |
| 10:06.58 | wolaopa | byeeee. |
| 10:06.59 | directhex|work | amorphix, testing pentium m on a 2.4 kernel isn't a fair test |
| 10:07.00 | amorphix | XP has good speedstep support e |
| 10:07.23 | LozPrime | I did an apt -get update and now can't ssh in - do I have to reboot the server? |
| 10:07.32 | directhex|work | amorphix, testing a mid-2004 or later pentium-m on a stock or debian 2.6 kernel also isn't fair |
| 10:07.43 | amorphix | i guess |
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| 10:07.59 | ethics | directhex|work, yeah im running some hacks on my dodgy laptop...2.6.11-12 looks like it has it again tho....have you checked it? |
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| 10:08.19 | drasko | eclipse installation problem: No Java virtual machine was found after searching the following locations:/opt/eclipse/jre/bin/java, 'java' in your current PATH |
| 10:08.38 | ^Duffy^ | LozPrime: Same thing here :( |
| 10:08.44 | directhex|work | ethics, i'm not bothering with debian on my pentium m systems for a while. i'll check the kernel source though |
| 10:09.03 | CoffeeBreaks | Trying to mirror a local directory onto a remove FTP server (Windows...). Is there an efficient way of doing so? So that next time I run the script, it will not resend everything? (I have 500M with over 30000 files). I looked into mirror and ftpmirror but they mirror remove server onto local machine. I want the opposite. |
| 10:09.07 | ^Duffy^ | LozPrime: Had to re-install the whole thing, as the server is hosted several miles away |
| 10:09.20 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: lftp -e mirror |
| 10:09.23 | ethics | directhex|work, im just downloading 11-12 atm so ill see if it steps tommorow |
| 10:09.29 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:09.31 | Guerin | onto |
| 10:09.33 | Guerin | my bad |
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| 10:09.54 | LozPrime | My DVS is remote too |
| 10:09.57 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: install cygwin and rsync on the dozer |
| 10:10.11 | LozPrime | VDS sorry |
| 10:10.15 | ^Duffy^ | ;) |
| 10:10.16 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: lftp probably has a smart put function, but I don't know it ottomh |
| 10:10.27 | CoffeeBreaks | Guerin: I don't have access to the server. It's a hosting |
| 10:10.27 | simonrvn | mput iirc |
| 10:10.31 | ircdevil | uptime when will a 32-bit box reset the uptime - two years ? -> 12:16:15 up 472 days, 12:14, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 - |
| 10:10.35 | CoffeeBreaks | :( |
| 10:10.39 | Guerin | wtf, a windows host? |
| 10:10.44 | ^Duffy^ | LozPrime: Ask them to reboot it, or tell them to figure it out ;) |
| 10:10.44 | CoffeeBreaks | yes |
| 10:10.46 | ethics | CoffeeBreaks, ftp script with a modified date check? |
| 10:10.48 | Guerin | ircdevil: 497 days |
| 10:10.57 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: you poor bastard. |
| 10:11.14 | ircdevil | Guerin: ok |
| 10:11.15 | wols | CoffeeBreaks: look at ncftpput |
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| 10:11.37 | CoffeeBreaks | Guerin: ASP.NET deployment... I know. It's a pain. How do they manage to get the work done? I want my rsync |
| 10:11.48 | ethics | CoffeeBreaks, also if you just set resume wont that check then replace if diff via a gui thingy.. |
| 10:11.53 | tralala | CoffeeBreaks: consider supporing a provered that doesn't run shite software |
| 10:11.59 | LozPrime | I have accessvia a control panel and can reboot myself - but don't want to hash things up even more |
| 10:12.15 | wols | CoffeeBreaks: they just buy third party modules and pay for each one through the nose |
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| 10:12.28 | LozPrime | There is a list of boot-up actions to check/ un-check |
| 10:12.34 | CoffeeBreaks | tralala: and where do I deploy the web app? |
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| 10:12.50 | LozPrime | There support is poor |
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| 10:12.55 | Guerin | preferably nowhere, if it's asp.net :) |
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| 10:13.06 | drasko | eclipse installation problem: No Java virtual machine was found after searching the following locations:/opt/eclipse/jre/bin/java, 'java' in your current PATH |
| 10:13.31 | tralala | CoffeeBreaks: consider also supporting a supplier that doesn't supply shite software |
| 10:13.34 | wols | drasko: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ |
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| 10:13.44 | borco | hi |
| 10:13.45 | wols | drasko: get a JDK (from blackdown or wherever) |
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| 10:14.15 | sh4dowcat | sigh |
| 10:14.20 | directhex|work | ethics, there are *some* changes to speedstep-centrino.c, but the information required to actually do stepping doesn't look to be there. it's certainly not the same as the ubuntu patches - but sufficiently changed that you can't patch the file anymore |
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| 10:14.26 | CoffeeBreaks | anyway it's a temporary solution. I move the ASP.NET webapp on the server, then I can switch off the damn IBM rack that has been sitting close to me. Sounds like a hoover. Then I can migrate the app to something else that don't need to run on this #/&#¤( environment. But in the meantime I just want to move it there. |
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| 10:15.07 | borco | when i try to recompile a program, the g++ 3.3 gives a lot of errors like "list:1: error: stray '\177' in program" |
| 10:15.11 | borco | any ideas? |
| 10:15.14 | xophEr | Hm, Im trying to compile a new kernel, but I cant even 'make menuconfig', this is the output I get: http://pastebin.ca/14607 What could it be? I have all the required packages.. |
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| 10:15.34 | ethics | directhex|work, hmm kk anoying as it may seem i think there are some in the mm at patches and there all the rc6 patches also which may have hehe...sucks to be M hehe |
| 10:15.38 | borco | compiling after a make clean works all the time... |
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| 10:16.11 | Guerin | xophEr: why the FUCK are you making menuconfig as root? |
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| 10:16.19 | Guerin | !b-e xophEr |
| 10:16.19 | dpkg | xophEr: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 10:16.22 | tralala | borco: I have some ideas - #c++, #gcc, #g++, etc |
| 10:16.23 | directhex|work | ethics, dothan has been about for about a YEAR now |
| 10:16.31 | wolaopa | is there a gui for nmap? there are so many options. |
| 10:16.54 | jethro | wolaopa: nmapfe |
| 10:16.55 | borco | tralala, ok. thanks |
| 10:16.56 | wolaopa | Guerin, be nice. |
| 10:17.05 | Guerin | wolaopa: i AM being nice. |
| 10:17.15 | simonrvn | @lart wolaopa |
| 10:17.21 | jethro | @annoy wolaopa |
| 10:17.22 | ravenbird | wolaopa: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 10:17.57 | ethics | directhex|work, yeah i was expecting it to be the 12 version to ve honest but i guess they are not trying to do laptops much atm...devs need new laptops hehe |
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| 10:18.22 | xophEr | Guerin, I have build-essential, and about that root thing, it didnt work either way.. |
| 10:18.27 | directhex|work | ethics, my post to the debian-kernel mailing list was ignored, so i suspect it's just apathy |
| 10:18.34 | Guerin | !find asm/socket.h |
| 10:18.38 | drasko | wols, java work for me fine. Eclipse don't. |
| 10:18.40 | ethics | directhex|work, ubuntu patch works on 2.6.8 tho yeah it just not higer so far? |
| 10:18.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'asm/socket.h' (5): (/usr/arm-wince-pe/include/asm/socket.h) in devel/pocketpc-gcc ;; (/usr/include/x86_64-linux/asm/socket.h) in libdevel/amd64-libs-dev ;; (/usr/i486-linuxlibc1/include/asm/socket.h) in oldlibs/libc5-altdev ;; (/usr/i386-uclibc-linux/include/asm/socket.h) in libdevel/libuclibc-dev ;; (/usr/include/asm/socket.h) in libdevel/amd64-libs-dev,devel/linux-kernel-headers. |
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| 10:18.58 | Guerin | xophEr: what arch? |
| 10:19.10 | wolaopa | my goodness, i got a barrage just because i ask Guerin to be nice. that is not being nice, guys. |
| 10:19.21 | xophEr | i386 |
| 10:19.25 | [Granger] | Guerin not nice? |
| 10:19.27 | [Granger] | since when? |
| 10:19.37 | simonrvn | you call 2 bot factoids a barrage? you need to get out more... |
| 10:19.46 | tralala | wolaopa: don't be a barbie |
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| 10:19.57 | [Granger] | heh |
| 10:20.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 10:20.04 | directhex|work | ethics, i have used the ubuntu patch int he past, but there's a simpler solution: run ubuntu on the p-m machines like the laptop. seems to work rather well. |
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| 10:20.31 | [Granger] | directhex|work: what patch? |
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| 10:20.53 | wolaopa | i am off to install my nmap gui. have fun. |
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| 10:20.57 | ethics | directhex|work, hehe ill have to load it up again heheh...i killed it a while back after some stupid drinking/compiling problems |
| 10:21.14 | directhex|work | [Granger], the patch that does CPU frequency scaling on 2004-2005 model pentium mobile processors |
| 10:21.19 | simonrvn | "don't drink and compile" ;p |
| 10:21.25 | borco | bye |
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| 10:21.31 | directhex|work | ethics, don't root drunk |
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| 10:21.52 | wols | drasko: java not in the path or such? |
| 10:21.54 | tralala | "don't drink and compile" == "don't compile" ;o)) |
| 10:22.14 | noknok | I can't rmmod a module, got "ERROR: Module vmnet is in use", how to find who is using it? |
| 10:22.14 | Guerin | nmap gui? |
| 10:22.16 | Guerin | wtf? |
| 10:22.21 | ethics | directhex|work, i did something on debain and wanted it in ubuntu....it apprently didnt like me and i sure as hell diidnt like it... |
| 10:22.47 | tralala | noknok: that's the million bucks question! |
| 10:22.56 | wols | Guerin: it's about time. all those windows users can't use the program otherwise! |
| 10:22.57 | Phated | noknok: lsmod. |
| 10:23.02 | Guerin | xophEr: aptitude install auto-apt ; run your make menuconfig in an auto-apt shell |
| 10:23.06 | Guerin | wols: haha |
| 10:23.08 | simonrvn | should use modprobe -r instead |
| 10:23.09 | ethics | noknok: thats vmware's Nat interface |
| 10:23.18 | simonrvn | (if module-i-t) |
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| 10:23.35 | xophEr | Guerin, Ill try, thanks |
| 10:23.45 | noknok | Phated: lsmod said used by 2 "vmnet 30832 2 |
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| 10:24.09 | Phated | Beh, usually it shows names as well. :| |
| 10:24.22 | ethics | noknok, you may find 2 others vmnet8 and soemthing else... |
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| 10:24.45 | xiptos | Hi all! Sorry for this naive question, but what is the best way to do a complete fsck to '/'? |
| 10:24.45 | noknok | ethics: i've tried to stop vmware, failed, i am root |
| 10:25.10 | wols | xiptos: boot from a live CD, then fsck it |
| 10:25.13 | Guerin | xiptos: shutdown -fr now |
| 10:25.15 | ethics | noknok...how can you try? theres no working vmconsole? |
| 10:25.35 | noknok | ethics: using the init script |
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| 10:25.56 | ethics | noknok, gsx server or something? |
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| 10:26.16 | noknok | ethics: console! i really dont know there is such thing |
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| 10:26.21 | xiptos | wols: unfortunately I do not have a CD drive in my PC... |
| 10:26.26 | ethics | noknok: vmware as root doesnt see the session? |
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| 10:26.37 | xiptos | Guerin: thanks! going to try it now! |
| 10:26.59 | Guerin | xiptos: sorry. |
| 10:27.03 | noknok | ethics: vmware workstation, glx maybe |
| 10:27.03 | Guerin | xiptos: shutdown -Fr now |
| 10:27.19 | xiptos | Guerin: Yap. I did the check in man shutdown... :) |
| 10:27.39 | ethics | noknok, kk...well whats your goal? you cant access the VM or you want it dead? |
| 10:27.41 | Guerin | !beer xiptos for checking the command that he was told to run by a random idiot on irc |
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| 10:27.49 | noknok | ethics: i c, i should kill |
| 10:27.56 | ethics | noknok i run all min via console no init scripts hehe |
| 10:28.01 | CoffeeBreaks | OK thanks for the help |
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| 10:28.28 | ethics | noknok, you should be able to access a running VM via the vmware console... |
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| 10:29.30 | noknok | ethics: I will just kill a vm process, no VMs running |
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| 10:30.00 | ethics | noknok: brutal way is to try vmware-config-pl....if you cant reboot |
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| 10:30.21 | ethics | noknok: you could try killing but i dont think it releases the vmnets locks |
| 10:30.48 | noknok | ethics: it did, now i can rmmod |
| 10:30.49 | directhex|work | /etc/init.d/vmware stop |
| 10:30.52 | directhex|work | or similar |
| 10:30.58 | ethics | noknok: kill -9 on the pids may or may not help vmmodules are quirky ass. |
| 10:31.08 | xophEr | Do I need the kernel-headers for the kernel to be able to build it? |
| 10:31.26 | hid3 | Hello everyone.. I'm trying to reinstall my mysql-server package via apt, however, after it is downloaded dpkg returns error: "ERROR: There's not enough space in /var/lib/mysql/".. However, the is still 2 gbytes free space.. What can be wrong? |
| 10:31.29 | ethics | directhex|work, yeah the script didnt work probably some prompt on the console but couldnt connect to see it |
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| 10:32.49 | ethics | hid3 is /var on the drive you checked for space? |
| 10:32.52 | sh4dowcat | anyone know how to start up gtk without actually starting up gnome itself? |
| 10:33.00 | ethics | hid3 ie not mounted to a diff partition etc? |
| 10:33.02 | sh4dowcat | but I still want the gnome themes |
| 10:33.06 | tarzeau | you can't start gtk |
| 10:33.12 | hid3 | ethics: I only have one root partition, and there IS enough space.. |
| 10:33.16 | tarzeau | gtk is a library, applications that are linked against gtk can be started |
| 10:33.23 | hid3 | no, it belong to / |
| 10:33.49 | ethics | hid3 fsck? |
| 10:33.52 | sh4dowcat | tarzeau: hmm |
| 10:33.59 | sh4dowcat | the thing is that when I start the gnome control center |
| 10:34.05 | sh4dowcat | it automatically starts all the skin stuff |
| 10:34.16 | tarzeau | sh4dowcat: so? |
| 10:34.22 | sh4dowcat | just trying to figure out how to get the skins automatically |
| 10:34.22 | tarzeau | sh4dowcat: don't start it then |
| 10:34.26 | hid3 | ethics: did fsck already two times.. nothing happens.. |
| 10:34.31 | Eulex | sh4dowcat: you'll need to use gtk-switch to set the gtk theme, and metacity for window manager skins |
| 10:34.33 | sh4dowcat | tarzeau: err I want the skins :P |
| 10:34.50 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good recording program that can record from card 1 in an alsa setup and allow good recording level adjustment |
| 10:34.51 | ethics | hid3, what FS? |
| 10:34.57 | hid3 | ethics: ext2 |
| 10:35.11 | ethics | EmleyMoor, audacity? |
| 10:35.28 | ethics | EmleyMoor, closest ive seen to soundforge or similar.. |
| 10:35.38 | tralala | EmleyMoor: arecord, alsamixer? |
| 10:35.41 | EmleyMoor | ethics: It's not getting anything |
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| 10:35.57 | EmleyMoor | tralala: Can't work out what parameters to use for arecord |
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| 10:36.12 | ethics | hid3, there used to be a filesize issue of 4Gb or something....... |
| 10:36.13 | Rage__ | Hey world, I have 6 packages including bash cron and enlightenment that are updated every time i do apt-get dist-upgrade, however they are the only thins that are upgraded, after looking closer, the versions being replaced ase the same versions that are replacing them, they won't go away and i don't think anything else is being updated <there is probly an update avalible> those 6 things are the only thing on the list! Any help wo |
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| 10:36.25 | tralala | EmleyMoor: don't use any then - you'll get all the defaults |
| 10:36.41 | EmleyMoor | The defaults will record from card 0 |
| 10:37.03 | tralala | aaah, I see |
| 10:37.23 | tralala | try hw1,0 for the device/card parameter |
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| 10:37.42 | ethics | EmleyMoor, or modprobe them backwards.. |
| 10:37.51 | saudi-linux | hi i cannot make apt-get update when i give the order it till me that the system cannot reach theserver |
| 10:37.55 | mdh | ho hum |
| 10:37.58 | w00t | does any one know any ftp scaner for linux? |
| 10:38.00 | tarzeau | RainbowW: oh no! you'll be missing some great packages |
| 10:38.09 | EmleyMoor | I've only just got them modprobing in an acceptable order in the first place. I don't want to have to keep flipping it! |
| 10:38.11 | tarzeau | RainbowW: like schism, supertransball2 and alot more! |
| 10:38.12 | mdh | the sarge net installer is fubar |
| 10:38.22 | tarzeau | mdh: i386? |
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| 10:38.26 | RainbowW | mdh: working good here as i type this. |
| 10:38.28 | tarzeau | w00t: telnet/nc/nmap |
| 10:38.29 | mdh | tarzeau: yep |
| 10:38.33 | ethics | EmleyMoor, what 2 cards? |
| 10:38.35 | EmleyMoor | tralala: Unknown pcm |
| 10:38.36 | tarzeau | mdh: what part of it exactly? |
| 10:38.39 | sep | w00t: woorked good for me just finished it now |
| 10:38.44 | EmleyMoor | ethics: via82xx, ens1371 |
| 10:38.54 | RainbowW | tarzeau: bah. either sid or i killed apache2; i think sid is more likely. |
| 10:38.59 | ethics | why use the via hehehehe |
| 10:39.02 | Rage__ | I hate apt problems. |
| 10:39.11 | ethics | ens kills it hehe |
| 10:39.14 | sep | w00t: sorry |
| 10:39.17 | EmleyMoor | The via seems to have rather good output |
| 10:39.42 | mdh | tarzeau: gets through the install okay, but after reboot, grub is pointing its root at the wrong disk (and hence can't find the kernel image) and if I drop to the command-line and "fix" it all, it claims it can't mount the root filesystem |
| 10:39.55 | tralala | EmleyMoor: arecord -l (from the man page) |
| 10:40.04 | ethics | most people cant get the vias to work right due to hotplug hehe... |
| 10:40.09 | w00t | can some one help me find every thinking on a ftp site by using nmap? |
| 10:40.22 | Rage__ | Anyone got any ideas or just some google keywords would be nice...? |
| 10:40.23 | mdh | tarzeau: it didn't screw with the other disk, thankfully (at least, I can look at that one via grub and its fine) |
| 10:40.28 | EmleyMoor | tralala: Fails to give me anything that would act as a parameter |
| 10:40.49 | simonrvn | you don't use nmap to do that, you use a ftp client... |
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| 10:41.02 | mdh | please don't tell me I have to manually recall esoteric devfs device names... |
| 10:41.28 | simonrvn | d-i's shell does tab completion |
| 10:41.28 | EmleyMoor | It shows me V8237, and AudioPCI - those are the only things that even look parameter-able |
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| 10:41.39 | directhex|work | mdh, what disk controller? |
| 10:42.02 | w00t | damn it i need a ftp scanner |
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| 10:42.28 | mdh | directhex|work: acraptec .. the aic7xxx driver |
| 10:42.46 | tarzeau | w00t: i told you |
| 10:43.14 | w00t | tarzeau: hey i dont know how to use nmap |
| 10:43.22 | tarzeau | w00t: not my problem |
| 10:43.34 | tarzeau | w00t: you can hire me for $100 / hour |
| 10:43.38 | w00t | tarzeau: thanks for the help |
| 10:43.40 | mdh | directhex: grub wants /dev/sda1, that partition looks fine in grub, but it won't mount |
| 10:43.42 | EmleyMoor | audacity seems only to be accessing the VIA |
| 10:43.55 | tralala | EmleyMoor: try amixer -c 1 scontrols and pick one from there |
| 10:44.08 | w00t | now can some one help me use nmap? |
| 10:44.16 | EmleyMoor | "scontrols?" |
| 10:44.16 | tarzeau | w00t: RTFM |
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| 10:44.28 | tralala | man amixer |
| 10:44.36 | Guerin | w00t: nmap <host> |
| 10:44.51 | Guerin | w00t: that covers 99% of what you'll ever need it for. |
| 10:45.08 | EmleyMoor | tralala: There is nothing "parameter-able" listed |
| 10:45.12 | w00t | but take forever |
| 10:45.17 | ethics | EmleyMoor, arecord -d1 = pcm mixer no1 hehe from arecord -l hehe |
| 10:45.22 | tarzeau | w00t: limit the scanned portrange |
| 10:45.29 | Rage__ | w00t: nmap -P0 <host> if the host no ping repond does. |
| 10:45.41 | w00t | ok |
| 10:45.42 | tralala | I had a battle once with arecord's devices and I lost it... |
| 10:46.07 | tralala | but the war is far from over |
| 10:46.13 | EmleyMoor | ethics: Do you mean -D1? |
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| 10:46.40 | EmleyMoor | -d1 means "1 second" |
| 10:46.43 | mdh | of course, it won't mount it when one forgets to add initrd so the scsi modules won't load |
| 10:46.47 | ethics | EmleyMoor, yeah try it...didnt seem to react the same as -d) |
| 10:46.57 | EmleyMoor | "Unknown PCM 1" |
| 10:47.26 | EmleyMoor | I don't have what arecord calls the "pcm" |
| 10:47.26 | ethics | EmleyMoor, ahh yours is slightly diff...sec i figureing it out |
| 10:47.32 | Rage__ | Hey world, I have 6 packages including bash cron and enlightenment that are updated every time i do apt-get dist-upgrade, however they are the only thins that are upgraded, after looking closer, the versions being replaced ase the same versions that are replacing them, they won't go away and i don't think anything else is being updated <there is probly an update avalible> those 6 things are the only thing on the list! Any help wo |
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| 10:47.37 | w00t | peace out thanks for the help |
| 10:47.50 | EmleyMoor | (have = know) |
| 10:48.00 | petemc | Rage__: tried apt-get update |
| 10:48.59 | incorrect | im trying to setup PermiteRootLogin to without-password, however i seem to be able to login using the root password |
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| 10:49.07 | Rage__ | petemc: yes. |
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| 10:49.36 | incorrect | even after a force-reload |
| 10:49.51 | Rage__ | They appear when i do a 11:48 < petemc> Rage__: tried apt-get update |
| 10:50.06 | djp | ok. i'm stumped. i cannot get my printer working under debian 3.1. it is an epson 740 stylus color connected via a parallel port on a local machine |
| 10:50.13 | Rage__ | petemc: They appear when i apt-get upgrare too... |
| 10:50.26 | tralala | EmleyMoor: from google arecord howto: arecord -D hw:1,0 |
| 10:50.42 | petemc | Rage__: and apt-cache policy bash shows installed version at same version as available? |
| 10:51.22 | Rage__ | petemc: it shows that they are the same in the setup spraff. |
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| 10:51.48 | ethics | EmleyMoor, hehe thats a fucked up man file....description is worthless hehe... |
| 10:51.57 | petemc | Rage__: the what? |
| 10:51.59 | EmleyMoor | Nothing recorded |
| 10:52.10 | EmleyMoor | (silence) |
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| 10:52.57 | nksen | if I wanna upgrade with apt-get upgrade, I just see about 200 packages, that are kept back, why? |
| 10:53.08 | petemc | nksen: man apt-get |
| 10:53.12 | tralala | EmleyMoor: play with the alsamixer now. Capture/unmute the needed devices, adjust the capture levels, etc. |
| 10:53.14 | torgrimt_ | nksen: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:53.28 | nksen | torgrimt_: this is a workaround? but why are they blocked? |
| 10:53.31 | Rage__ | petemc: Installed: 3.0-15, Candidate: 3.0-15 all else is also 3.0-15 |
| 10:53.42 | torgrimt_ | nksen: well, you are upgrading your distro ;) |
| 10:54.01 | EmleyMoor | All a case of working out what it's done with what used to be called igain! |
| 10:54.04 | nksen | torgrimt_: well, on another debian system it did the upgrade with apt-get upgrade without keeping back some packages |
| 10:54.18 | sypher | hey guys, someone with regex knowledge ... i need to have a match over 2 words concatenated with a AND but not one right after the other ... lets say "This" and "That" ... someone knowns how can i do that in regex ? |
| 10:54.29 | torgrimt_ | nksen: oki, i just had that problem on a woody box. worked like a charm with dist-upgrade. |
| 10:54.48 | petemc | nksen: this is all explained in the man page, but feel free to ignore me |
| 10:55.21 | EmleyMoor | Interference only, it seems |
| 10:55.36 | torgrimt_ | what is the point in reading 10 lines of manual, when you can reed 100 maby 1000 lines of irc bash ;) |
| 10:55.53 | djp | #lugradio |
| 10:55.56 | djp | #nipl |
| 10:56.04 | MadSheep | ... |
| 10:56.06 | nksen | petemc: just read it, it isn't |
| 10:56.16 | nksen | torgrimt_: don't wanna break something |
| 10:56.21 | EmleyMoor | I could really do with some way of getting some visual confirmation that it is at least getting something |
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| 10:56.36 | torgrimt_ | nksen: good luck ;) |
| 10:56.56 | petemc | nksen: it is, you just dont have the capacity to understand it |
| 10:57.12 | Guerin | sypher: grep this filename |grep that |
| 10:57.13 | Guerin | ? |
| 10:57.13 | torgrimt_ | petemc: arrogance helps? ;) |
| 10:57.20 | nksen | torgrimt_: seems so :) |
| 10:57.20 | Guerin | sypher: i may have misunderstood you |
| 10:57.34 | petemc | torgrimt_: i dont like being made out to be a liar |
| 10:57.39 | petemc | when im not |
| 10:57.46 | torgrimt_ | noone said you where |
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| 10:58.07 | petemc | torgrimt_: nksen did |
| 10:58.40 | tralala | EmleyMoor: try alsamixer -V capture and use space to select where to capture from |
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| 10:59.05 | torgrimt_ | petemc: pulling conclutions ;) |
| 10:59.14 | torgrimt_ | well well, have fun |
| 10:59.17 | xam | petemc: can't see him calling you a liar |
| 10:59.20 | nksen | petemc: liar! |
| 10:59.24 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:59.36 | xam | okay .. now i can ... |
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| 10:59.54 | torgrimt_ | dosent mean he called him a lier |
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| 11:00.08 | torgrimt_ | are you 100% sure that its in his manual page? ;) |
| 11:00.08 | EmleyMoor | tralala: Already selected, still nothing |
| 11:00.15 | torgrimt_ | ok, now im just beeing a dick |
| 11:00.15 | xam | petemc: well that sentence just proofs that he is stupid |
| 11:00.16 | torgrimt_ | hehe |
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| 11:00.28 | petemc | torgrimt_: you can stop now |
| 11:00.35 | torgrimt_ | petemc: yes i will ;) |
| 11:00.47 | Guerin | never attribute to stupidity what can be adequately explained by ignorance |
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| 11:00.52 | xam | petemc: not that he is calling you are a liar |
| 11:00.55 | Guerin | <hah> |
| 11:01.00 | EmleyMoor | Ah, just managed to record some white noise :-) |
| 11:01.05 | simonrvn | w00t |
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| 11:01.42 | RainbowW | installing mysql on sarge using an existing set of db files recovered from my sid crash. sarge's install is complaining access denied for user debian-sys-maint@localhost. do i care? |
| 11:01.43 | EmleyMoor | For some reason it's still soft hiss when I try to record the right source |
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| 11:02.02 | majkie | hello i just wounder witch is the package name on kde in debian? that i need to apt-get? |
| 11:02.22 | majkie | i did a apt-get install kdesktop |
| 11:02.28 | simonrvn | stupid newbie-to-x86-machine question: how do i find out if a particular mobo has the proper gadgets on it for use with lm-sensors stuff? |
| 11:02.29 | majkie | do i need anything more then that? |
| 11:02.52 | seb`` | kde-core? |
| 11:02.55 | simonrvn | use aptitude |
| 11:03.20 | xam | simonrvn: read the manufacturer's mobo documentation? |
| 11:03.38 | majkie | ke thanks |
| 11:03.40 | simonrvn | ok, i have that. what do i look for? mobo sensors of some sort? |
| 11:03.47 | jm_ | simonrvn: just run sensors-detect |
| 11:03.53 | simonrvn | ok. danke |
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| 11:04.02 | EmleyMoor | Yes, a wiring error was present |
| 11:04.08 | snail | I've got a debian sarge install with hotplug and usbmount installed. when I plug in a USB memory stick I get a line in the mtab like: "usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0" how do i actually access the stick? |
| 11:04.36 | jm_ | snail: usbfs is there since you boot ... |
| 11:04.51 | tralala | EmleyMoor: does it work now? |
| 11:05.27 | Eulex | snail: you gotta mount it |
| 11:05.27 | EmleyMoor | Yes - many thanks, it was proving tricky with the combination of errors |
| 11:05.32 | petemc | snail: cat /proc/scsi/scsi , look for the host line, that gives you a clue what device it is, also dmesg |
| 11:06.03 | RainbowW | why on god's green earth does sarge include netatalk as a default networking installable? |
| 11:06.12 | xam | snail: mount the usb stick via 'mount /dev/sda1 <mountpoint>' ... just as ususl |
| 11:06.18 | simonrvn | some people need it |
| 11:06.29 | jm_ | that's what usbmount is supposed to do ;) |
| 11:06.30 | RainbowW | yeah but why inflict it on the rest of us? :) |
| 11:06.32 | Eulex | xam: gotta add the file system type too |
| 11:06.33 | petemc | RainbowW: default and installable are kinda mutually exclusifve |
| 11:06.35 | ethics | RainbowW, poor old apple networking |
| 11:06.51 | xam | Eulex: depends ;) |
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| 11:07.26 | Eulex | xam: yeah, but it's always to include it... |
| 11:07.38 | xam | jm_ usbmount? ... geez, people are getting lazier every year |
| 11:07.39 | Eulex | xam: *safer |
| 11:07.41 | petemc | Eulex: generally, you dont need to |
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| 11:08.06 | xam | jm_ what if I have/use firewire? |
| 11:08.13 | snail | xam: thanks that looks like it works ... |
| 11:08.18 | Eulex | petemc: ok |
| 11:08.22 | ethics | xam hehe i thought hotplug was heaps withthe scripts hehe |
| 11:08.37 | jm_ | xam: don't ask me |
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| 11:09.14 | xam | jm_ too late, slready did ;) |
| 11:09.31 | xam | already even |
| 11:09.39 | ethics | xam: firewire memory sticks....hmmm |
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| 11:10.29 | xam | ethics well firewire hard disks then ... |
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| 11:11.01 | ethics | xam: they are just harddisks.... |
| 11:11.18 | jm_ | should be doable with udev/hotplug - usbmount hooks into it |
| 11:11.18 | ethics | xam: drivers make it scsi i think from memory |
| 11:11.36 | sh4dowcat | heh |
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| 11:11.44 | ethics | xam although id have to try it to be sure....the FS isnt locked like mountusb |
| 11:11.53 | sh4dowcat | there's not much that *isn't* scsi according to the kernel |
| 11:11.59 | sh4dowcat | SATA, usb, fw, the works |
| 11:12.13 | xam | ethics since when? so usb hard disks are also 'ordinary' hdds? |
| 11:12.21 | jm_ | that's because the kernel lacks generic block layer |
| 11:12.33 | ethics | xam well you can format the as fat ntfs efs etc... |
| 11:12.35 | sh4dowcat | jm_: so does the Windows kernel |
| 11:12.53 | xam | ethics |
| 11:13.04 | ethics | sh4dowcat, maybee i should have set it names them as scsi |
| 11:13.21 | xam | ethics: I vsn do the same with a ramdisk or dvd |
| 11:13.21 | simonrvn | seems there were some. neat |
| 11:13.46 | sh4dowcat | ethics: in windows anything except ATAPI HDs and CDs gets recognized as scsi |
| 11:13.54 | sh4dowcat | seems Linux does the same thing |
| 11:14.20 | jm_ | simonrvn: the fact that it listed some modules doesn't mean it will show temperatures, run sensors to verify it |
| 11:14.22 | simonrvn | ok |
| 11:14.22 | ethics | xam: do you use those with mountusb? |
| 11:14.22 | ethics | or is it a dumb name..? |
| 11:14.24 | simonrvn | well, i need to build some of them |
| 11:14.24 | xam | vsn=can ... my keyboard is fucked ... |
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| 11:14.24 | deepz | hey guys |
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| 11:14.45 | sh4dowcat | xam: quit mapping your keys all over the place |
| 11:14.46 | ethics | xam: hehe move one key right...its you heheh |
| 11:14.51 | xam | ethics: never used mountusb/usbmount or how it is called |
| 11:14.52 | deepz | i wnat to know whetehis it possible to dowanload latest kernel source code through apt-get in debian sarge |
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| 11:15.02 | amorphix | hi |
| 11:15.21 | Gnea | deepz: sarge has its own latest |
| 11:15.23 | ircdevil | aha! mail from sysadm admit they fucked up the smtp server! hehehehehehhehehehhehe |
| 11:15.30 | ircdevil | !lart sysadms |
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| 11:15.33 | simonrvn | w83781d, i2c-piix4 |
| 11:15.33 | jm_ | sounds good |
| 11:15.33 | simonrvn | have the seond, not the first |
| 11:15.34 | ethics | xam, me either but his media was flash memory...thats usbfs.... |
| 11:15.34 | simonrvn | c+ |
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| 11:15.54 | simonrvn | oh, and i2c-isa and eeprom |
| 11:16.03 | xam | ethics: no, it is the keyboard ... it is fucked in such that the keys don't have any labels anymore |
| 11:16.04 | jm_ | wI always install i2c and lm-sensors from source, because I always use vanilla kernels anyway |
| 11:16.11 | amorphix | ive just booted into a new kernel and ive lost my sound. got a window with: artsmessage - sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver - device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory) |
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| 11:16.21 | ethics | xam: hdd connect via whatever FW/USB then get assigned ides based on partitions etc then you mount /search for partition type... |
| 11:16.26 | amorphix | I'm also missing my /dev/ttyS* |
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| 11:16.36 | ircdevil | amorphix: check that you have the correct modules loaded |
| 11:16.37 | jose2222_ | hello |
| 11:16.38 | amorphix | what did i likely overlook in the kernel config? |
| 11:16.38 | ethics | xam hehe: ok yeah that makes it hard hehe |
| 11:16.55 | amorphix | ircdevil: i dont know what they are to check |
| 11:16.57 | xam | ethics: I know ;) but I prefer labels or UUID |
| 11:17.01 | ethics | jm_, whats i2c btw? |
| 11:17.10 | ircdevil | amorphix: using alsa? |
| 11:17.13 | ethics | xam hehe ah kk |
| 11:17.19 | simonrvn | and rivatv for the tn2 |
| 11:17.26 | simonrvn | tnt2* |
| 11:17.33 | jm_ | ethics: slow serial bus protocol |
| 11:17.35 | amorphix | !tell amorphix about alsa |
| 11:17.58 | ircdevil | !alsatutoral |
| 11:17.58 | ethics | jm: used by lirc? i think my Mobo and tvtuner had it heheh |
| 11:18.01 | ircdevil | !alsatutorial |
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| 11:18.07 | amorphix | hmmm |
| 11:18.12 | dpkg | methinks alsatutorial is http://members.home.com/tdouglas/alsa.html, or http://www.sonic.net/~rknop/linux/debian_alsa.html |
| 11:18.24 | ethics | whats to tutor...root then alsaconf..if it dont work ask for help here hehe |
| 11:18.26 | amorphix | why do i need to use alsa now when my sound driver fine in 2.4? |
| 11:18.34 | amorphix | *worked |
| 11:18.35 | ircdevil | amorphix: it is most probably also in the faq -> /topic |
| 11:18.38 | jm_ | ethics: might be, for me lirc used only /dev/ttyS0 |
| 11:18.51 | djp | Device URI: parallel:/dev/unknown-parallel0. this seems to be an issue. i am trying to use cups to get my printer to work |
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| 11:19.08 | ircdevil | amorphix: no need in particular - then you just need the oss modules/drivers |
| 11:19.12 | jm_ | djp: did you read parport.txt? |
| 11:19.29 | ethics | jm_ yeah in the lirc setup for compile it has tunercards and joysticks etc...so yeah its a type of Uart type i think tacked onto a board.. |
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| 11:19.34 | amorphix | oh ok where are they likely to be, under sound device drivers section? |
| 11:19.41 | djp | jm_: no, sorry, where is that located? |
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| 11:19.57 | jm_ | djp: kernel docs |
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| 11:20.11 | jose2222_ | hi. i'm using iptables as a router, and when i change a rule to close a port everything works fine exept that existing established connections are not closed. is there a way to close them? |
| 11:20.15 | djp | ok thanks |
| 11:20.33 | jm_ | jose2222_: apt-cache show cutter |
| 11:20.37 | amorphix | im wondering where my /dev/ttyS* devices are also, they seem to have disappeared since i made new kernel |
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| 11:20.59 | fester | hey, just upgraded with a new install to sarge stable and now windowsxp wont boot, i took a look in grub and it seems to be pointing to the right place can anyone help? |
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| 11:21.20 | ethics | fester which drive is XP ? drive 1 or 2? |
| 11:21.22 | amorphix | does anyone know where the oss module/drives are located on the make menu kernel compiler? |
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| 11:21.50 | ethics | amorphix, device drivers sound....its very vague and all heheh |
| 11:22.03 | fester | ethics its on drive 2 |
| 11:22.06 | ethics | amorphix, why? |
| 11:22.06 | amorphix | what would you have to enable in the kernel config to get /dev/ttyS* serial device support |
| 11:22.14 | ethics | !multiboot |
| 11:22.14 | dpkg | [multiboot] done with grub/lilo. windows 2k/xp can be on any harddisk if you use grub. key to making 2k/xp work is map (hd0) (hd1)<cr>map (hd1) (hd0) <cr>root (hd1,0)<cr> rootnoverify (hd1,0)<cr>makeactive<cr>chainloader +1... beware that even though you map inside the menu.lst file grub ignores the map changes so if hd2 is your xp drive your root is hd2,0 not whatever you change the mapping too. |
| 11:22.21 | jm_ | support for serial ports |
| 11:22.23 | ethics | theres your grub entry .... |
| 11:22.34 | ethics | <cr> new line of course |
| 11:22.43 | amorphix | ethics: i didnt see any option for oss under sound drivers in my kernel config, could it be called something else? "Linux sound architecture" perhaps? |
| 11:23.09 | ethics | amorphix, yeah...thats it...why you looking? |
| 11:23.23 | amorphix | oh ok, i didnt enable that and wasnt sure what it was |
| 11:23.26 | amorphix | thanks |
| 11:23.38 | amorphix | ethics: how do you mean? |
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| 11:24.10 | ethics | amorphix, why are you adding things to your kernel?...did you use the previous config file at all? |
| 11:24.27 | amorphix | i didnt use it |
| 11:24.36 | ethics | amorphix, do you want to? |
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| 11:24.50 | amorphix | i think that would be best |
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| 11:25.10 | ethics | amorphix, im not sure why your in the kernel at all but most use the debian and work there way away from it using the .config |
| 11:25.44 | ethics | amorphix, ok in /boot you will see them...copy the one that you used originally into your source directory as .config |
| 11:25.46 | Guerin | amorphix: oss = open sound system; alsa = advanced linux sound architecture |
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| 11:25.57 | ethics | then do the makemenuthing and itll have debian defaults |
| 11:26.08 | amorphix | Guerin: thanks for clarifying that |
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| 11:27.15 | ethics | amorphix, what were you comiling for ? were you trying to add something not working? |
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| 11:28.13 | amorphix | ethics: what i did was got the kernel source into /usr/src and then used dkpg-image and installed it that way |
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| 11:28.28 | amorphix | im installing some driver modules for my wacom pad so needed to do it this way |
| 11:28.32 | fester | ok i think i folowed that ethics thanks:) |
| 11:29.00 | ethics | fester np if you get stuck just ask hehe |
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| 11:29.22 | ethics | amorphix, which wacom? most are already supported in 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 |
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| 11:29.45 | amorphix | ethics: penpartner (serial) |
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| 11:29.49 | peanut | Is there a Debian Legal channel? |
| 11:30.09 | ethics | amorphix, you can do that with default debian ones but as long as your learning its good hehe.... |
| 11:30.10 | amorphix | damn, im seeing 3 options for drivers for my soundcard (ESS), i dunno which is the right one |
| 11:30.13 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 11:30.19 | Iksaif | hum, someone now why i get "ra0 no wireless ..." with iwconfig (MSI CB54G2) with the rt2500 module ? (it work on knoppix ...) |
| 11:30.20 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.12, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.12-rc6-git7, 2.4: 2.4.31, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc6-mm1 |
| 11:30.23 | amorphix | ethics :) |
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| 11:30.50 | ethics | amorphix, just build them as modules and you can check them as needed ...not much needs to be played with normally |
| 11:30.58 | amorphix | ok thanks |
| 11:31.01 | Iksaif | (all important things seems to be in my kernel, and a lspci show my pcmia card ...) |
| 11:31.08 | tarzeau | peanut: yes |
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| 11:31.21 | ethics | amorphix, only reason i had to make my own was a sata bug which is very quirky and unfixabale to me ehhe |
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| 11:32.00 | amorphix | i had big issues getting my wacom pad to be detected even under 2.6 on my other laptop so i replaced the laptop |
| 11:32.05 | ethics | amorphix, well unfixable to debian devs alsa atm hehe |
| 11:32.07 | amorphix | hope it goes ok this time |
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| 11:32.16 | CruX_ | hi can k3b make clone copy like clonecd or alcohol ? |
| 11:32.48 | tralala | CruX_: what does the k3b homepage say about it? |
| 11:32.56 | ethics | amorphix, i have a wacom USB running...theres a few of us that have all the cool gadgets....midi,tables,touchscreens etc |
| 11:33.05 | amorphix | :) |
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| 11:33.21 | CruX_ | tralala: nothing |
| 11:33.22 | ethics | CruX_, yes |
| 11:33.23 | amorphix | why are the serial wacom pads not mentioned anywhere in the menuconfig drivers? |
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| 11:33.36 | amorphix | i see usb driver support but nothing for serial |
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| 11:33.46 | tralala | CruX_: then probably it cannot |
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| 11:33.54 | ethics | amorphix, serial is dumb so it wont know anyways hehe |
| 11:33.56 | CruX_ | ethics: support that protection like cactus etc ? |
| 11:34.04 | amorphix | oh |
| 11:34.06 | ethics | amorphix, you have to manually set it up |
| 11:34.18 | fester | ethics that worked a treate thanks a bunch! |
| 11:34.24 | ethics | CruX_, some...what in particualr you want to dupe? |
| 11:34.32 | ethics | fester NP Hugs |
| 11:34.45 | ethics | Fester if it crashes unplug linux drive to reinstall.. |
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| 11:35.09 | ethics | Fester once you get back into linux we can set up the drive to read hehe |
| 11:35.10 | fester | ethics you mean if windows crashes? |
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| 11:35.26 | tralala | of course |
| 11:35.40 | ethics | fester, yeah i repair disk etc will goosh grub...it can be fixed but best to not screw it firstly hehe |
| 11:35.41 | CruX_ | ethics: nothing i wanna to know if clone copy in k3b is like in nero - does not supports cd protections, weak sectors etc... |
| 11:36.11 | gnu2 | Hi, how do I install Knoppix 3.9 from live cd on to my hard drive. Got no reply on Knoppix channel. Thanks |
| 11:36.16 | ethics | Crux: it isnt as good as alcohol but on par with nero |
| 11:36.16 | fester | ok ill reboot then ethics |
| 11:36.22 | ethics | fester np |
| 11:36.36 | RainbowW | i've found a package in sarge with a documentation reference to a non-existant package. is such an error sufficient to warrant a bug report? |
| 11:36.44 | mikael_andersson | hi, i don't know if this belongs to Debian or php :) anyway i'm runnig 3.1 and have created a php script that parse all users from a text file. i use useradd and before that i generate a crypt password, but the user can't login. if i use webmin to see how the password are saved, the hole crypt password isent there it is only showing like 8 charachers randomly from my generated password file... |
| 11:36.48 | tralala | !they don't know |
| 11:36.48 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:36.54 | amorphix | ok i give up, where is the serial por support hiding in menuconfig |
| 11:37.01 | ethics | RainbowW, yeppers check it's not alread reported |
| 11:37.02 | mikael_andersson | i belive it have something to do with shadow enable pass... |
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| 11:37.24 | Xenguy | Does anybody know offhand if there are any potential problems with designating a swap partition as a 'logical' (instead of 'primary') partition? |
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| 11:37.40 | tralala | Xenguy: there aren't |
| 11:37.44 | jm_ | Xenguy: no, it doesn't really matter |
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| 11:37.57 | mosty | mikael_andersson, are you passing encrypted passwords to useradd? |
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| 11:38.07 | Xenguy | tx - so I can have up to 4 primary partitions, correct? |
| 11:38.07 | mikael_andersson | jup with crypt |
| 11:38.15 | jm_ | right |
| 11:38.21 | amorphix | anyone any idea where to look for the serial port support in kernel menuconfig? |
| 11:38.25 | Xenguy | thanks guys |
| 11:38.40 | ethics | jm_, 4 per drive or 4 total? |
| 11:38.41 | gnu2 | dpkg: Thanks for your moronic reply to my polite question |
| 11:38.46 | jm_ | amorphix: character devices - you shouldn't be compiling your own kernel if such simple problems get better of you |
| 11:38.47 | mikael_andersson | i can paste the line if u like mostly |
| 11:38.50 | jm_ | ethics: 4 per drive |
| 11:38.52 | wols | amorphix: character devices |
| 11:38.59 | amorphix | jm_ true |
| 11:39.02 | amorphix | thanks guys |
| 11:39.03 | tralala | gnu2: tell dpkg to shut up |
| 11:39.03 | fester | back ethics |
| 11:39.06 | mosty | mikael_andersson, and you're passing the password with -p ? |
| 11:39.08 | ethics | jm_, good cos i have 12 on my system atm i was worried for a sec heheh |
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| 11:39.23 | cbr | why is macromedia flash so broken in debian? |
| 11:39.30 | ethics | fester your xp drive is ntfs or fat32? |
| 11:39.33 | directhex|work | Xenguy, 4 primary, or 3 primary and an extended |
| 11:39.34 | cbr | i dont see any text |
| 11:39.36 | cbr | only graphics |
| 11:39.37 | jm_ | ethics: that's why they have come up with extended partitions and logical drives |
| 11:39.42 | Eulex | cbr: broken? |
| 11:39.42 | tralala | cbr: ask macromedia |
| 11:39.49 | Eulex | cbr: missing fonts? |
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| 11:39.54 | cbr | yes |
| 11:39.57 | ethics | jm_ hehe cool didnt think i could do something that bad so easily hehe |
| 11:40.01 | cbr | no text at all |
| 11:40.02 | Pepper | hi! have I missed the announcement that there is currently no security suport or is this a wrong information? http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200506142140 |
| 11:40.03 | cbr | just clear space |
| 11:40.04 | Eulex | cbr: works with me with no special fonts installed... |
| 11:40.09 | fester | ethics its ntfs |
| 11:40.12 | mikael_andersson | mostly: yes, and the .txt file have the crypted password in it, but if i check the user it have only taken randomly order from the crypted file |
| 11:40.18 | Eulex | cbr: how did you install it? |
| 11:40.34 | cbr | once from web and once from repo |
| 11:40.42 | mosty | mikael_andersson, i don't understand, can you rephrase that please? |
| 11:40.50 | mikael_andersson | passwd can i use that so it don't aske for an pass ex: user pass pass |
| 11:40.53 | ethics | fester: ok well ntfs sucks as far as linux goes...writing to the drive can kill stuff...very flakey...reading however is fine |
| 11:41.07 | fester | ethics yer i know that |
| 11:41.30 | fester | ethics the file drive that i share between the 2 is fat32 |
| 11:41.40 | ethics | fester: first thing to do is if you want to make a fat32 partition for sharing...if you can...else you ca just mount it read only |
| 11:41.52 | mikael_andersson | moslty: i generate an pass.txt file, and the crypted password are saved correctly there, but if u use webmin to check the users pass, only 8 charachters are shownd, not the hole lenght |
| 11:41.54 | ethics | fester excellent then we have an easy task 8) |
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| 11:42.03 | Xenguy | ethics: is it safe to use a 3rd-party tool to simply convert an NTFS filesystem to FAT32 ? |
| 11:42.04 | fester | lol |
| 11:42.05 | Eulex | cbr: repo is the right way... I've installed flashplayer-nonfree and flashplayer-mozilla |
| 11:42.08 | ethics | do you know the device and partition number per chance? |
| 11:42.21 | wols | fester: grub works fine with ntfs. you using chainloader for it? |
| 11:42.23 | fester | hdb5 i think |
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| 11:42.34 | ethics | Xenguy, partition magic handles it ok....not sure about others... |
| 11:42.36 | Glanzmann | Why is there no ext2resize package in sarge? |
| 11:42.39 | Xenguy | ethics: tx |
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| 11:42.44 | fester | wols yup we just fixed that part |
| 11:42.48 | ethics | wols dualboot working sharing drives now hehe |
| 11:42.53 | jm_ | Glanzmann: because it doesn't work on all architectures |
| 11:43.05 | ethics | Xenguy, xp can run on fat32 tho which is prolly best |
| 11:43.13 | ethics | Xenguy, as installation |
| 11:43.15 | Nosklo | Xenguy: i guess there is no safe ground when you are dealing with these filesystems |
| 11:43.20 | Glanzmann | jm_: Who cares? |
| 11:43.21 | ethics | !rwfat |
| 11:43.28 | ethics | !fatrw |
| 11:43.34 | amorphix | prolly gonna hose my system, but who cares..heh |
| 11:43.37 | wols | ethics: fat sucks even more than ntfs |
| 11:43.40 | ethics | one of these is a trigger.. |
| 11:43.42 | jm_ | Glanzmann: well obviously someone does, read BTS entry for it anyway |
| 11:43.48 | Eulex | !vfat-rw |
| 11:43.49 | ethics | wols, not really |
| 11:43.51 | xophEr | hm, when trying to compile my kernel I get this: http://pastebin.ca/14611 Whats wrong? |
| 11:43.52 | Eulex | !vfatrw |
| 11:43.53 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 11:44.04 | Eulex | that's it |
| 11:44.08 | Glanzmann | jm_: I see. |
| 11:44.13 | fester | lol fat32 is shit ill agree with wols |
| 11:44.15 | ethics | fester grab that for your fstab hehe |
| 11:44.35 | Pepper | I |
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| 11:44.49 | Eulex | wols: ntfs sucks more than fat |
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| 11:45.06 | ethics | fester/wols: its the best of the MS picks tho....fatx anyone hehe |
| 11:45.08 | Eulex | wols: but boths suck hard :) |
| 11:45.16 | wols | FAT is about the worst filesystem ever. the absolut worst |
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| 11:45.24 | directhex|work | xp will only install to fat32 partitions over 32gb with "special intervention" |
| 11:45.34 | Shadur | wols: umsdos. |
| 11:45.42 | Pepper | I'm reading the -devel and -security lists, but can't find the information about missing security-support. http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200506142140 |
| 11:45.45 | Pepper | Is it true? |
| 11:45.46 | Shadur | directhex|work: IE, severe stabbing. |
| 11:45.52 | fester | yer loke formating it first |
| 11:46.01 | ethics | directhex|work, yeah stupid MS pushing NTFS |
| 11:46.04 | wols | Shadur: that's just another way of FAT :) |
| 11:46.08 | amorphix | i cant soft boot my sys in Linux, just blanks and hangs |
| 11:46.10 | directhex|work | Shadur, i was more thinking "expend the time & energy to write some install scripts with the XP OPK" |
| 11:46.12 | fester | thanks for all your help ethics |
| 11:46.13 | amorphix | must be a bios issue? |
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| 11:46.40 | ethics | fester, np thats probably all you need for dualboot happiness |
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| 11:47.04 | simonrvn | jm_: heh, only one i don't have is the rivatv one :) |
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| 11:48.01 | jm_ | simonrvn: as in kernel module? |
| 11:48.04 | ethics | Wols: pick your favorite microsoft FS....mines fatx hehe |
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| 11:48.14 | simonrvn | jm_: yeh |
| 11:48.20 | mikael_andersson | is there a commando for adding a password to an user ex: user test test not prompting |
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| 11:48.25 | jm_ | simonrvn: isn't that for video-in? |
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| 11:48.32 | simonrvn | iirc |
| 11:48.44 | wols | ethics: if I have to use one it's NTFS |
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| 11:48.50 | jm_ | so you probably don't need it |
| 11:48.51 | Eulex | ethics: favorite m$ fs? is there really something like that at all? ;) |
| 11:49.04 | AvengerMoJo | usbnet question |
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| 11:49.07 | wols | just like I don't want to use fatX for linux either (even if I could) |
| 11:49.18 | wols | use the proper FS for each OS |
| 11:49.19 | AvengerMoJo | I can't seem to get the usbnet usb0 interface to show |
| 11:49.42 | AvengerMoJo | anyone know the trick of getting the usbnet to work... in the doc.. all seem to be very easy.... |
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| 11:50.09 | Eulex | wols: fatx on linux would be like devil in heaven |
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| 11:50.35 | ethics | wols: hehe well xbox is hard to define the OS |
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| 11:50.47 | [Granger] | xbox runs a customized version of win2k |
| 11:50.58 | wols | and a bastardized version of fat IIRC |
| 11:51.04 | AvengerMoJo | usbnet on my 2.6.11 kernel :) help is needed |
| 11:51.12 | wols | greg_work: it's more WinCE IIRC |
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| 11:51.30 | Eulex | AvengerMojo: 2.6.11 kernel? is that debian? |
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| 11:51.44 | ethics | Eulex, in testing it is |
| 11:51.51 | AvengerMoJo | yes and no... try both |
| 11:51.52 | F-Lelo | Good morning (here) |
| 11:52.00 | ethics | Eulex, not the latest still |
| 11:52.01 | simonrvn | jm_: no, i barely watch tv as it is anyway ;) |
| 11:52.03 | AvengerMoJo | debian is on a PowerPC though .. |
| 11:52.04 | Eulex | ethics: 2.6.11 is in testing? |
| 11:52.19 | ethics | Eulex, yep...its been in unstable for months |
| 11:52.42 | Eulex | ethics: oh, gotta check it out... I'm on testing |
| 11:52.47 | ethics | Eulex in testing with first etch packages...its not 11-12 its 11-5 or something silly tho |
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| 11:53.01 | Eulex | ethics: :) you're right |
| 11:53.02 | cbr | nah, it's still f00ked |
| 11:53.03 | ethics | Eulex some drivers were removed .... |
| 11:53.04 | cbr | heavily |
| 11:53.38 | cbr | i got flash to work pretty decently under gentoo.. now under debian it's more b0rked then ever again :S |
| 11:53.46 | ethics | Eulex, no tg3 as a major one....but try it you can pick a boot if it doesnt have all you need |
| 11:53.51 | Eulex | ethics: hmm.... may be disastrous for this old box... where do I get info on which were removed? |
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| 11:54.34 | Eulex | ethics: tg3? |
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| 11:54.43 | ethics | Eulex: just try it if it doesnt work just reboot on the old one and look at what was misssing hehe |
| 11:54.57 | Eulex | ethics: yeah |
| 11:55.06 | ethics | Eulex, a broadcom gigabit network driver....big on intel and dell Mobos |
| 11:55.54 | ethics | Eulex, theres ways to load em still but its worth noting so you dont expect bellsand whistle when the fires starting hehe |
| 11:55.55 | xophEr | When trying to compile my kernel (2.6.11.12) I get this: http://pastebin.ca/14611 Whats wrong? |
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| 11:56.32 | Eulex | ethics: ok... I'm not using the tg3 driver... so I'm safe from that one |
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| 11:56.57 | wols | xophEr: you're missing a file. are you using a patched kernel? |
| 11:57.09 | xophEr | no patches |
| 11:57.23 | ethics | XophEr got builessential etc? |
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| 11:57.36 | xophEr | yes I got it |
| 11:57.46 | tarzeau | wenas |
| 11:57.52 | Eulex | xophEr, what kernel version? |
| 11:57.52 | ethics | are you doing debian way or classic? |
| 11:58.00 | xophEr | debian way |
| 11:58.04 | xophEr | 2.6.11.12 |
| 11:58.08 | wols | xophEr: drm/gamma is not there while packages.debian.org says it has to be the kernel-sources for 2.6.11 |
| 11:58.12 | ethics | 2.6.11-12 latest kernel org stable |
| 11:58.15 | wols | so you didn't unpack it or something |
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| 11:58.41 | fester | ethics, just tryed to mount my drives and i got an error no final new line at the end of /etc/fstab |
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| 11:58.48 | xophEr | but I did unpack it |
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| 11:59.13 | ethics | xophEr, are you using sid's source or kernel org? |
| 11:59.45 | wols | xophEr: you are positively sure that you unpacked the drm/gamma.h file? you saw the bits on disk? |
| 11:59.45 | xophEr | ethics, kernel.org |
| 11:59.45 | Nosklo | fester: echo >> /etc/fstab |
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| 12:00.18 | xophEr | wols, no, but I unpacked the kernel-source, so shouldnt it too have been extracted if there? :) |
| 12:00.21 | ethics | fester hehe yeah do that echo hehe...you need a carrage return at the end hehe |
| 12:00.40 | ethics | fester the echo will just insert a blank line this making the carrage return hehe |
| 12:00.56 | wols | xophEr: obvisouly it didn't for some reason. with all the time asking here, why didn't you look at least once on your harddisk? |
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| 12:01.07 | fester | ethics you lost me |
| 12:01.08 | ethics | xophEr, did you make a symling to user/src/linux? |
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| 12:01.25 | xophEr | ethics, yes |
| 12:01.28 | ethics | fester...in fstab you need to press enter after the line you made heheh... |
| 12:01.30 | wols | and if it's not there, check your kernel source tar file |
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| 12:02.01 | fester | LMAO thanks again ethics |
| 12:02.04 | fester | lol |
| 12:02.05 | ethics | fester, you can reedit the file or just echo a blank line to it as Nosklo offered |
| 12:02.10 | ethics | fester hehehe |
| 12:02.11 | fester | you could have just said that :P |
| 12:02.39 | ethics | fester hehe i missed the message then someone else answered so i thought id missed a by a bit hehe |
| 12:02.50 | xophEr | wols, its not even in the package, gamma.h |
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| 12:03.10 | wols | debian kernel source has it: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=gamma.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 12:03.14 | wols | for 2.6.11 |
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| 12:03.37 | fester | ethics thats cool, |
| 12:03.51 | ethics | xophEr, how big was your kernel source download? |
| 12:04.11 | xophEr | 34.9 MB |
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| 12:04.36 | ethics | xophEr, thats definately looking right... |
| 12:04.58 | ethics | xopher: gimme 3 hours and mine will be downloaded to test on the lapy hehe |
| 12:05.04 | ethics | dialup sucks |
| 12:05.08 | xophEr | hehe allright :) |
| 12:05.55 | xophEr | wols, might it be the make-kpkg thats doing something wrong? |
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| 12:06.17 | ethics | grr need something other than freeciv to play hehehe lincity is anoying now too hehe |
| 12:06.25 | bobbens | xophEr: i heard something about the latest sid make-kpkg not working quite right, not sure if its the same problem |
| 12:06.28 | bbrazil | ethics: nethack |
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| 12:06.39 | ethics | someone needs to fork cedega just to shit them... |
| 12:06.47 | xophEr | bobbens, hmm ok |
| 12:06.51 | wols | xophEr: not fi there is no gamma.h |
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| 12:06.56 | toad_ | phpbb2-conf-mysql doesn't work.. postinstall fails on creating a database |
| 12:06.56 | Petro | ethics: not allowed to |
| 12:07.03 | ethics | bbrazil, nah im more you RPG & Turnbased starts |
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| 12:07.08 | toad_ | how do i fix this? i have set a password, but it is in /root/.my.cnf ... |
| 12:07.09 | bobbens | xophEr: the person i was talking to downgraded using a snapshot and got it working, this was yesterday or the day before |
| 12:07.20 | Petro | ethics: I'm pretty sure wine can be used with directx games |
| 12:07.20 | wols | gamma.h has been in the 2.4 kernel before, so I doubt it's suddenly dropped out |
| 12:07.27 | bbrazil | ethics: i.e. nethack |
| 12:07.29 | toad_ | ethics: if you fork it you don't get the proprietary copy protection code |
| 12:07.45 | ethics | bbrazil, well yeah but |
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| 12:07.51 | wols | Petro: but no 3D support. no good one at least |
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| 12:08.06 | toad_ | Petro: some, anyway - e.g. Warcraft 3 (allegedly), half life (with some fiddling), starcraft (likewise) |
| 12:08.15 | Petro | wols: really? I heard they ran World of Warcraft, full 3d |
| 12:08.17 | ethics | yeah i know i know i just want them to so we have more games options..hehe |
| 12:08.17 | toad_ | in 3d |
| 12:08.22 | toad_ | cedega runs WoW |
| 12:08.24 | toad_ | regular wine doesn't |
| 12:08.36 | Petro | toad_: I saw it on the winehq site |
| 12:08.38 | toad_ | can anyone help me with phpbb2-conf-mysql? |
| 12:08.47 | toad_ | Petro: regular wine runs WoW ?! |
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| 12:09.22 | ethics | i mean seriously why cant i just have opensource directx for a few months so we can at least get to directx6 hehe diablo!! |
| 12:09.37 | wols | ethics: diablo2 runs in wine |
| 12:09.54 | toad_ | i think phpbb2-conf-mysql has somehow missed the .my.cnf? it's 0600, is that enough? |
| 12:09.56 | wols | it's also 2D only |
| 12:09.59 | ethics | petro yeah....gl games work mostly |
| 12:10.05 | toad_ | wols: SOME 3d games work |
| 12:10.10 | toad_ | warcraft 3 allegedly works |
| 12:10.11 | Petro | ethics: ahh yes, that must be the catch |
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| 12:10.19 | toad_ | as does half life if the moon is in the right phase |
| 12:10.33 | ethics | wols: oh does it now |
| 12:10.34 | xophEr | redownloaded the archive, still no gamma.h :) |
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| 12:10.51 | Petro | toad_: I've never suceeded in running anything but installers on wine |
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| 12:11.05 | wols | I ran Icewind Dale |
| 12:11.07 | toad_ | Petro: it's a lot easier on cedega, that much is certain |
| 12:11.11 | wols | worked pretty well |
| 12:11.15 | ethics | bizzard are opensource friendly...always tried to be... |
| 12:11.24 | toad_ | getting half life to work was a PITA, wine is way too unstable, changes from release to release |
| 12:11.24 | ethics | mac friendly too |
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| 12:11.31 | Eulex | xophEr: go bitch on those kernel.org maintainers... maybe... |
| 12:11.33 | toad_ | ethics: blizzard are not in any way open source friendly |
| 12:11.35 | toad_ | they do not port |
| 12:11.40 | xophEr | Eulex, will do :) |
| 12:11.40 | toad_ | and they sued bnetd |
| 12:11.41 | Petro | ethics: Yeah, I think the opengl part more has to do with being compatible with macs |
| 12:11.44 | toad_ | (and won, sadly) |
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| 12:11.49 | toad_ | and freecraft too |
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| 12:12.35 | ethics | toad_ theres a difference between friendly and in bed hehehe...friendly means they are open to using stuff...ie like bittorrent |
| 12:12.46 | wols | xophEr: do you need DRM? |
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| 12:13.40 | wols | ethics: using open source stuff (for free) is not friendly. it's just "using". and I could say exploitive concering their other actions |
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| 12:13.54 | mdh | ethics: blizzard have been, and by all press releases and media accounts always will be, pawns of Microsoft |
| 12:13.57 | wols | xophEr: what videocard do you have? |
| 12:14.14 | toad_ | what platforms do starcraft ghost run on? was it xbox? |
| 12:14.21 | avu | at least blizzard is one of the few releasing all their games for the mac :) |
| 12:14.22 | xophEr | wols, ati radeon 9700pro. |
| 12:14.23 | directhex|work | mdh, i don't know, all their previous games have been dual-format macos & windows |
| 12:14.29 | wols | toad_: that's not a blizzard game afaik |
| 12:14.42 | directhex|work | mdh, now Valve, with 12 former MS employees (including the CEO), there's a violently anti-linux corp |
| 12:14.45 | wols | xophEr: then you might need DRM (dunno about the ati drivers) |
| 12:14.51 | ethics | mdh: yeah all profit companies are...thye have to protect what they have..but their development arms are not suing people their lawyers are |
| 12:14.55 | toad_ | wols: they advertise it |
| 12:14.57 | directhex|work | toad_, it's all 3 current home consoles, whe it gets released |
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| 12:15.01 | mdh | directhex: the mac versions have come out later, and sucked in comparison. eg, diablo2 |
| 12:15.20 | wols | toad_: but not made by blizzard. they just rubberstamp their name on it to get more sales |
| 12:15.21 | directhex|work | mdh, certainly *craft are dual-format |
| 12:15.24 | toad_ | how do i create a new mysql user? |
| 12:15.28 | wols | but not programmed by them, outsourced instead |
| 12:15.31 | ethics | mdh and i dont think there is much as far as blizzard xbox stuff.. |
| 12:15.53 | toad_ | well do they do their own mac ports? |
| 12:16.05 | ethics | mdh: there may be more on the 360 but to date they havent been a microsoft development chasing company .. |
| 12:16.14 | wols | toad_: logging in to mysql and adding an entry to a special table (users or somesuch) |
| 12:16.34 | ethics | mdh: im not saying theres not pressure etc but they try it seems |
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| 12:16.59 | toad_ | why do i have two root users? one with localhost and a password, and one with hostname and no password... |
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| 12:17.58 | mdh | toad_: you can have as many users with as many combinations of other options as you'd like (or, I guess, as can fit in the max size of the users table in the mysql database on your system, whichever is smaller ;) |
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| 12:18.32 | ethics | toad_, i dont know who does their mac ports but blizzard and activision were both mac developers for games back in g3 times.. |
| 12:18.39 | mdh | toad_: the incoming client connection is matched against that table, I think finer-grained matches take precedence |
| 12:18.41 | toad_ | what are select_priv etc for? these are global options... |
| 12:18.44 | ethics | direcx 5 areas of time |
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| 12:19.10 | bluefox83 | i <3 idsoftware :D |
| 12:19.11 | mdh | toad_: having that priviledge globally (across all tables in all databases in the mysql server) |
| 12:19.28 | bluefox83 | doom3 is sweet in linux ^_^ |
| 12:19.39 | toad_ | do i need to set ssl_type? |
| 12:19.42 | mdh | ethics: activision aren't developers... they're a marketing company |
| 12:19.43 | toad_ | bluefox83: :) |
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| 12:19.51 | toad_ | bluefox83: shame it's not such a great game :< |
| 12:20.05 | mdh | ethics: marketing/distribution I should say |
| 12:20.10 | bluefox83 | eh, there are some crappy parts to it, but overall it's a great game |
| 12:20.19 | toad_ | cedega is worth paying for just for warcraft 3 (well that works on wine, or so they say), and half life 2 (which doesn't as far as i know but i haven't checked) |
| 12:20.26 | mdh | toad_: you don't need to sset anything you don't want to use |
| 12:20.41 | directhex|work | bluefox83, id have been developing games for linux for over 10 years |
| 12:20.43 | bluefox83 | eh, half life 2 has a linux port i believe |
| 12:20.48 | toad_ | mdh: so i leave everything on default? |
| 12:20.52 | toad_ | bluefox83: it does? news to me |
| 12:20.56 | bluefox83 | directhex|work, i know :) |
| 12:20.57 | toad_ | bluefox83: where can i get it from? |
| 12:21.15 | mdh | toad_: you set the permissions you need. |
| 12:21.18 | directhex|work | um no, valve are FIRMLY anti-linux |
| 12:21.24 | directhex|work | half-life 2 will NEVER be ported to linux |
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| 12:21.33 | bluefox83 | toad_, check their website, and also..i think there is a website about big title games released for linux, but i never bookmarked it :X |
| 12:21.51 | directhex|work | bluefox83, toad_, valve will never port their games to linux. |
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| 12:22.11 | toad_ | what, MS has a 51% stake or something? |
| 12:22.12 | mdh | games are for games consoles. unfortunately the best two are made by the two corporations in the world I don't want to give money to :( |
| 12:22.14 | wols | considering HL2 is totally directx, they can't port it to linux |
| 12:22.33 | ethics | most of the sims games could migrate reasonably easily... |
| 12:22.35 | toad_ | wols: that's not true, transgaming would be delighted to port it for them |
| 12:22.40 | bluefox83 | i'm sorry, i was thinking of quake :X |
| 12:22.40 | ethics | simcity 300 etc |
| 12:22.43 | directhex|work | toad_, not quite that much, but the valve directors are all former ms employees, with lots of ms shares |
| 12:22.51 | bluefox83 | my bad |
| 12:23.13 | toad_ | directhex|work: so what? they're legally obliged to do whatever it takes to make a profit. one day, it will be profitable to port to linux, then they will |
| 12:23.21 | wols | ethics: EA won't port to linux either |
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| 12:23.27 | mops | how to download already installed version of the package? |
| 12:23.35 | mops | because when I type this: |
| 12:23.38 | bluefox83 | EA releases to ps2 don't they? |
| 12:23.46 | directhex|work | toad_, porting to linux will never be profitable for them, certainly not in the forseeable future |
| 12:23.49 | mdh | toad_: id port to linux as part of their development practices |
| 12:23.50 | mops | apt-get -d install <package> apt-get complains, that it is installed |
| 12:23.51 | directhex|work | bluefox83, of course. |
| 12:23.58 | toad_ | directhex|work: checken and egg problem |
| 12:23.59 | mops | but I WANT to download the .deb file |
| 12:24.02 | ethics | wols EA dont do GL...linux without directx cuts out alot of developers...GL is the lesser know engine |
| 12:24.02 | wols | bluefox83: yes, but that doesn't run linux either (at least not for the games) |
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| 12:24.09 | toad_ | no games so no gamers. no gamers so no games |
| 12:24.16 | bluefox83 | directhex|work, ps2 games are developed in linux ;) |
| 12:24.32 | bluefox83 | infact |
| 12:24.36 | bluefox83 | the ps2 linux kit |
| 12:24.48 | directhex|work | the ps2 linux kit has nothing to do with the ps2 game devekopment process |
| 12:24.49 | toad_ | how do i grant access for user phpbb2 to table phpbb2? |
| 12:24.52 | toad_ | in mysql? |
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| 12:25.00 | bluefox83 | contains 6 out of the 7 packages given to professional game developers |
| 12:25.02 | directhex|work | it runs linux inside a virtual machine, prohibiting low-level hardware access |
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| 12:25.05 | tralala | mops: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/"the .deb file"; apt-get purge "the .deb" package; apt-get install |
| 12:25.05 | ethics | wols: the stupid thing is if the xbox360 comes out like its expected we could actually be able to do stuff to decode it 8).. |
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| 12:25.08 | mrfrenzy | toad_: rtfm |
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| 12:25.16 | ethics | microsoft may be shooting themselves.. |
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| 12:25.30 | toad_ | maybe i should tell it to use postgres.. then i end up with one lot of data in mysql, and the forum running off postgres.. that's messy... |
| 12:25.34 | mdh | ethics: I'd wager more people know OpenGL than directx, considering OpenGL has been around for many decades and ported to most platforms, and directx has been around for not even a decade and only runs on one platform nobody seriously uses for anything important |
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| 12:26.13 | wols | button: but this one platform is used for most games (now that xbox also uses DX) |
| 12:26.19 | mrfrenzy | toad_: it's simple ashell, provided you follow the instructions |
| 12:26.24 | wols | so all games programmers know if it they want or not |
| 12:26.38 | ethics | mdh: umm 1 platform is enough when its 90% of the consuming poplace |
| 12:26.44 | directhex|work | directx cannot be compared to opengl |
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| 12:26.50 | directhex|work | direct3d and opengl, fine |
| 12:26.58 | wols | directhex|work: yes, directx is more than opengl |
| 12:27.02 | directhex|work | but directx includes buckets of other stuff, like directsound or directinput |
| 12:27.03 | mdh | toad_: the "mysql" database has a bunch of tables that let you grant access down to a certain level of granularity |
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| 12:27.29 | directhex|work | developing games with directx apis is *easier* than the alternatives. even id software use directsound these days |
| 12:27.39 | mdh | ethics: stop believing those lies. Linux is used by over 90% of the consuming populace... think mobile phones, microwaves, washing machines, etc. |
| 12:27.49 | bluefox83 | idsoftware actually has something up on their webpage that says "the linux advantage" i think that if compainies like ID keep developing their games in linux, and releasing the sourcecode for linux users, there will definately be a larger need for that stuff, when the demand is high enough everyone will realise linux is the way to go |
| 12:27.54 | toad_ | mdh: which do not run games |
| 12:27.57 | mdh | ethics: appealing to popularity is a fallacial argument in any case |
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| 12:28.17 | bluefox83 | toad_, mobile phones run games! |
| 12:28.21 | bluefox83 | i have a few on mine |
| 12:28.36 | directhex|work | mdh, games are ported to linux as an intellectual exercise,a proof of concept for engine portability. it's not profitable, it's vanity. |
| 12:28.39 | wols | but not linux games. java games |
| 12:28.40 | toad_ | sure, but there's no money in them |
| 12:28.43 | Nosklo | sdl i think |
| 12:28.50 | bluefox83 | true |
| 12:28.56 | toad_ | no SERIOUS money |
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| 12:28.59 | wols | and there's only a handful of linux phones. totally dwarfed even by series60 phones |
| 12:29.00 | ethics | mdh: how do you see that the games companies develop to make money they develo for what 5 platforms total?....\ |
| 12:29.10 | bluefox83 | but they do develop their games in linux first, then port them to windows.. |
| 12:29.11 | wols | toad_: there is gobs of money in phone games |
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| 12:29.26 | directhex|work | the key issue here is *support* |
| 12:29.33 | ethics | bluefox83, no they do it on macks normally... |
| 12:29.40 | bluefox83 | ethics, not anymore |
| 12:29.41 | toad_ | wols: only if they're online and you can get people to pay GPRS data rates for them |
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| 12:29.48 | ethics | bluefox83, macs and x86s |
| 12:29.52 | directhex|work | margins on videogames are LOW. if someone phones up with a tech support issue, then that's a 0 profit sale. linux is NOT easy to support |
| 12:29.57 | toad_ | most phone games are just ports of pong or the thing with the tails |
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| 12:30.01 | bluefox83 | they're using linux farms to make movies now too! |
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| 12:30.06 | directhex|work | hence why even iD and Epic don't support linux, they simply HAVE linux |
| 12:30.11 | CosmoDad | what's the difference between discover1 and discover2? Is -2 more sophisticated? |
| 12:30.11 | mdh | linux is trivial to support |
| 12:30.11 | ethics | bluefox83, depends on what they are doing... |
| 12:30.15 | mdh | compared to Windows |
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| 12:30.27 | toad_ | grrr |
| 12:30.33 | toad_ | Postinstallation of phpbb2-conf-mysql failed. Run |
| 12:30.33 | toad_ | `dpkg --configure -a' to retry |
| 12:30.34 | bluefox83 | directhex|work, yes, but there are always people out there that will support stuff other people make for free |
| 12:30.34 | directhex|work | mdh, you'd think that |
| 12:30.38 | toad_ | GRRRRRRR |
| 12:30.46 | mdh | its just that some people have this mindset of "what? I have to type something? aaarrrggghhh my fingers will bleed and drop off!" |
| 12:30.46 | directhex|work | bluefox83, not real-world though |
| 12:30.57 | bluefox83 | directhex|work, bullcrap |
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| 12:31.14 | bluefox83 | name one thing in linux that doesn't have support somewhere that wasn't by the people who made it |
| 12:31.17 | toad_ | there are more linuxen than there are windows... and it's cheaper to get trained MS tech support staff than trained linux support staff |
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| 12:31.56 | mops | how can I mount FAT partition writeble to ALL users? |
| 12:31.58 | mdh | directhex: for example, set up a vpn on linux - its a piece of piss with vpnc, openvpn, etc. do it on windows... the windows box adds pointless, non-sensical routes into the routing table that fuck things over and there isn't jack you can do about it except add more routes to route around the problem |
| 12:31.59 | toad_ | phpbb2-conf-mysql doesn't work... i think it's because it can't read the .my.cnf |
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| 12:32.01 | bluefox83 | do you think i went to the id software site for help on installing doom3? |
| 12:32.01 | liable | mdh: hehe, true, they think, "i'd rather point and click ten times, than type one command" |
| 12:32.02 | directhex|work | bluefox83, joe user buys a game, they expect *support*. no major publisher offers support for games on linux, even those that will run on it. |
| 12:32.05 | ethics | bluefox83, mdh the games development industry is driven by directX as of the now....in the future thats also proabbly the case as directx is crossplatform now.. |
| 12:32.17 | streuner | mops: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 12:32.24 | tralala | CosmoDad: diff <("which) <(discover1") |
| 12:32.35 | ethics | how par we can make it crossplatform depends on whats legal and isnt in a year or twos time.. |
| 12:32.36 | toad_ | ethics: directX is cross platform? not from MS |
| 12:32.45 | tralala | CosmoDad: diff <(which\) <(discover1) |
| 12:32.48 | ethics | toad_, sure it is it runs on g5s |
| 12:32.53 | mops | thx |
| 12:32.55 | bluefox83 | directhex|work, i've never really seen any support offered by software developers that was actually useful.. |
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| 12:33.01 | ethics | toad_ thats wht the 360 demos are on.. |
| 12:33.05 | bluefox83 | usually in windows it's 'format and reinstall" |
| 12:33.19 | CosmoDad | tralala: that doesn't work |
| 12:33.34 | bluefox83 | i know, but hey, they still tell you to do it |
| 12:33.36 | tralala | CosmoDad: I know. I fighting the alias now. |
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| 12:33.42 | CosmoDad | tralala: ok |
| 12:33.49 | directhex|work | bluefox83, maybe so, but that's not the point. you really are failing to grasp the conept of an "averag" user here. the type of person who has a store-bought XP machine that has never seen windowsupdate or a virus definition update |
| 12:33.56 | technos | The chances of Microsoft releasing that port in a usable format for PPC Macs or IBM PPC is nil. So it's a port, sure, but it's not a port that'll ever see the light of day. |
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| 12:34.05 | toad_ | linux is hard to support because there are lots of linuxes, and because everyone knows windows. the former problem can be solved by only supporting the latest redhat release. the latter problem can be solved by training some staff. |
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| 12:34.25 | bobw_ | can anyone tell me why i dont get a listing when i type "/list *lin" ?? |
| 12:34.32 | bluefox83 | directhex|work, well those sorts of users are going to start becoming fewer and fewer as more computer distributors offer linux machines at a lower price than windows.. |
| 12:34.56 | toad_ | bluefox83: how many of those machines don't get formatted and installed a pirate copy of windows within 48 hours? |
| 12:35.08 | directhex|work | bluefox83, so then they become people with mandrake 9.2 machines that have never been updated. imagine teying to train your support staff to handle 900-odd distributions |
| 12:35.28 | toad_ | we are STILL losing on the desktop. and it's scary, because if we don't win before longhorn comes out we'll probably be illegal in 10 years time. |
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| 12:35.38 | bluefox83 | toad_, concidering the average joe doesn't know how to format a disk in windows, let alone format a hard drive that's currently running linux, i'd say pretty low |
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| 12:35.57 | toad_ | bluefox83: umm, they put the disk in... right? |
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| 12:36.15 | directhex|work | bluefox83, and that grade of user is meant to understand "go to the cdrom mountpoint, and run sh linuxinstaller.run"? |
| 12:36.17 | bluefox83 | toad_, you'd be suprised at how many people wouldn't know that |
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| 12:36.30 | toad_ | most people know one person who's competent to obtain and install a pirate copy of windows |
| 12:36.31 | tarzeau | toad_: check livecd.gnustep.org |
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| 12:37.06 | tarzeau | bluefox83: and even more that can't or never have installed windows |
| 12:37.14 | bluefox83 | directhex|work, by then, you should be able to download the installer, do "sh installer.run" then the installer handles mounting and such |
| 12:37.14 | ethics | if they want to release games for linux they could be livecd/leve environemnts... |
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| 12:37.38 | tarzeau | bluefox83: i wouldn't want to reboot my computer for games |
| 12:37.42 | mdh | I threw a mate of mine a ubuntu cd ages ago... he loves it apparently (caught up with him last weekend, he was overseas etc) |
| 12:37.43 | toad_ | all they have to do is support redhat |
| 12:37.45 | toad_ | no problem |
| 12:37.47 | tarzeau | s/bluefox83/ethics/ |
| 12:37.50 | ethics | but then they could do that now if they had directx for linux.... |
| 12:37.58 | tarzeau | mdh: why not a debian one? |
| 12:37.58 | mdh | so I don't buy this "average joe can't run linux" crap |
| 12:38.01 | toad_ | they don't have to support ubuntu, debian, suse, gentoo, mandrake, lindows and everything else |
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| 12:38.05 | toad_ | just support ONE platform |
| 12:38.05 | directhex|work | sigh. |
| 12:38.10 | tarzeau | toad_: nobody has to |
| 12:38.19 | directhex|work | *run*, *administer*, *install* these are THREE separate tasks |
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| 12:38.29 | tarzeau | toad_: linux IS ONE platform |
| 12:38.32 | toad_ | tarzeau: indeed they don't, but i'm suggesting that they CAN support linux without enormous expenditure |
| 12:38.41 | mdh | tarzeau: I wanted to show linux in a good light. not an ancient, outdated light (woody) |
| 12:38.57 | directhex|work | linux is, for the average moron, HARD TO ADMINISTER. that's irrespective of distro. even linspire is hard to admin. |
| 12:39.13 | mdh | at least its easier than windows |
| 12:39.18 | toad_ | really? we have some really kick-ass installers now |
| 12:39.24 | liable | tarzeau: at that point, why dont we support ubuntu? |
| 12:39.28 | directhex|work | most distros these days are easy to *use*, even to *install* |
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| 12:39.30 | ethics | hehe windows is harder without 5 years of service packs... |
| 12:39.35 | bluefox83 | ok, the average windows user hasn't got a freaking clue what to do about admining windows.. |
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| 12:39.43 | tarzeau | liable: because they can't even support it themselves |
| 12:39.44 | toad_ | why do people have to administer it at all? they don't admin windows |
| 12:39.47 | directhex|work | software installation cones under administration. that task is *easy* with windows |
| 12:39.48 | bluefox83 | with linux, it's easy, it'll handle itself practically these days |
| 12:39.52 | tarzeau | liable: because they rape debian packages |
| 12:40.02 | liable | tarzeau: no, you get the point though? |
| 12:40.26 | liable | tarzeau: its not really *one* platform. |
| 12:40.27 | toad_ | debian on the other hand, is hard to admin |
| 12:40.31 | toad_ | :) |
| 12:40.34 | tarzeau | liable: linux is |
| 12:40.38 | liable | toad_: not really |
| 12:40.39 | tarzeau | liable: distributions are not |
| 12:40.42 | Demosthenes | directhex|work: not to butt in, but software installation is easy on a SINGLE windows system. |
| 12:40.44 | ethics | liable...do we support unstable much? |
| 12:40.46 | mdh | for example, I had to install xp on my sisters new amd64 with sata. the xp disk doesn't have sata support, you have to put it in another machine (also running windows) and run a utility hidden 6 directories down some obscure poath in order to make a floppy disk with the sata drivers and then do the F6 on install to install the extra drivers. |
| 12:40.50 | toad_ | phpbb2-conf-mysql won't install because i put a password in as the documentation told me to |
| 12:40.51 | js | it depends on the userspace tools |
| 12:40.52 | bluefox83 | debian is not hard to admin..once you learn it.. |
| 12:41.01 | directhex|work | Demosthenes, we're talking about single users here. i don't really care about corporate networks |
| 12:41.03 | liable | ethics: depends on the question. |
| 12:41.22 | js | imagine a commercial os with the linux kernel that had tools like windows does |
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| 12:41.30 | toad_ | js: tools such as...? |
| 12:41.31 | da_bon_bon | http://bronikowski.com/index.php?menu=single&id=67 |
| 12:41.32 | da_bon_bon | :) |
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| 12:41.41 | directhex|work | mdh, once again. ADMIN, INSTALL, USE, are *separate tasks* |
| 12:41.42 | mdh | in comparison, a d-i beta cd I had booted and installed fine with no fiddly crap |
| 12:41.42 | Demosthenes | directhex|work: thats where administration comes into play. ;] you can't really call it administration when its only one box. ;] |
| 12:41.42 | bluefox83 | js, that would be very bad because windows tools are too integrated into the kernel |
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| 12:41.59 | da_bon_bon | jethro, directhex|work: i am *not* trolling :P |
| 12:42.09 | tarzeau | liable: if you imagine there is no ubuntu, suse, redhat. there's really onle one platform |
| 12:42.10 | toad_ | what tools are missing? identify them and we can code them |
| 12:42.14 | js | toad_: everythin you use in the console |
| 12:42.16 | hosiah | hello, folks, Debian newb (but Linux veteran) here! (-: |
| 12:42.23 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 12:42.24 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 12:42.26 | js | bluefox83: im talking about guis for everything |
| 12:42.42 | toad_ | js: doesn't KDE have GUIs for pretty much everything now? |
| 12:42.48 | bluefox83 | js, guis for everything isn't that big of a deal.. |
| 12:42.54 | tralala | hosiah: veteran, uh? |
| 12:43.00 | js | blablabla |
| 12:43.06 | bluefox83 | hosiah, you have a question? |
| 12:43.13 | tralala | stop comaring linux to windows guys - start comparing apples to pineapples instead |
| 12:43.23 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 12:43.25 | tralala | s/mari/mpari/ |
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| 12:43.30 | toad_ | tralala: we have to beat windows because if we don't beat MS they will utterly destroy us |
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| 12:43.38 | toad_ | therefore it is necessary to compare the two |
| 12:43.44 | tralala | toad_: bullshit |
| 12:43.45 | toad_ | they have a long history of doing this |
| 12:43.45 | Thanatermesis | how to "apt-get upgrade" ONLY from a specified repository ? |
| 12:43.51 | toad_ | to any and all competition |
| 12:43.55 | bluefox83 | toad_, you realise if linux fell off the face of the planet, the internet would too/ |
| 12:43.57 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: remove the others, apt-get update |
| 12:43.59 | liable | toad_: you seem to have been reading to many doomsday papers. |
| 12:44.07 | wols | toad_: wrong. no as if apple has beat windows anywhere (or got destroyed) |
| 12:44.11 | directhex|work | seriously, i'm wading through bullshit in here today. |
| 12:44.12 | toad_ | and between software patents and DRM they have a good chance of making open source (without a megacorp license) de facto illegal |
| 12:44.12 | Thanatermesis | remove the others ? |
| 12:44.16 | wols | neither did it happen to e.g.solaris |
| 12:44.19 | hosiah | I have a dual-hd system with Red Hat master, slackware slave, and I'm going to install Debian over the Red Hat. When I get to the partition table (just before writing) I see pictures of smiley faces and a lightning-bolt next to the partitions of red hat drive. what do the symbols mean? |
| 12:44.21 | Thanatermesis | upgrade packages ? |
| 12:44.26 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: yes |
| 12:44.32 | Thanatermesis | what remove? |
| 12:44.39 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: look at your sources.list |
| 12:44.41 | liable | directhex|work: snorkle? :) |
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| 12:44.45 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: it should look like, telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 12:44.47 | Thanatermesis | comment lines in sources.list ? |
| 12:44.57 | ethics | on an programming level the barrier is directx on a support level its more about packaging...l |
| 12:45.13 | bluefox83 | hosiah, perhaps it's hoping you'll chose that partition so it can kill redhat ;) |
| 12:45.17 | toad_ | i don't suppose anyone has any clue about making phpbb2-conf-mysql work? |
| 12:45.24 | toad_ | maybe there's a phpbb2-conf-postgres... |
| 12:45.25 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... ok |
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| 12:45.49 | ethics | solaris have openx86 released i think today or somethign....just quietly since the name poped up |
| 12:45.53 | hosiah | bluefox > just what I want to do! but what do they mean (I DON'T want to blow away the slackware, is all! |
| 12:45.58 | toad_ | ethics: cool! |
| 12:46.18 | toad_ | opensolaris you mean? |
| 12:46.21 | ethics | saw a newline on a feed, slashdot or theregister maybee... |
| 12:46.24 | mdh | Debian GNU/Solaris may be a reality ;) |
| 12:46.31 | toad_ | well it has a whacky license... |
| 12:46.44 | tralala | hosiah: as a veteran you have a backup, of course, and you are able to restore the slackware easily even if you blow it away. |
| 12:46.54 | ethics | toad_, yeah something about it being built of x8610 or something very early in morning no coffee things were blurry |
| 12:47.08 | toad_ | okay, there's no phpbb2-conf-postgres |
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| 12:47.11 | amorphix | hi |
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| 12:47.15 | tralala | so simply install the debian |
| 12:47.18 | toad_ | so i can construct it from scratch in accordance with the instructions... |
| 12:47.30 | toad_ | and then tell phpbb2 to use postgres |
| 12:47.36 | hosiah | gnarly. I'm going to assume that the ASCII dingbats are an anomaly and go ahead |
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| 12:48.08 | ethics | hmm now where did that ubuntu link for sound mixing go.... |
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| 12:48.16 | tarzeau | ethics: who cares |
| 12:48.17 | toad_ | tralala: i'm not saying IBM won't be able to use linux. I'm saying you won't be able to hack it unless you work for IBM. |
| 12:48.22 | mdh | hosiah: the sarge installer, at least, doesn't touch any existing partitions that you don't tell it to touch explicitly when you say "go format this partition" |
| 12:48.39 | tralala | toad_: bullshit |
| 12:48.42 | amorphix | i gave up trying to compile my own kernel so installed a stock kernel instead, everything is working ok now but im wondering if it's the right thing to do since im running a laptop with a Pentium-M CPU, will it be supported by the stock kernel? |
| 12:48.47 | ethics | tarzeau, me and about everyother person using alsa atm......if it works as it implies |
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| 12:48.57 | tarzeau | ethics: go #ubuntu |
| 12:48.59 | toad_ | tralala: that's precisely what's at stake between software patents and TCPA |
| 12:49.02 | directhex|work | amorphix, what core CPU? |
| 12:49.06 | tarzeau | nobody gives shit in here about ubuntu |
| 12:49.09 | hosiah | OK, thanks, mbh! |
| 12:49.12 | ncp | im new at debian/linux and want to set up a mailserver... but i need a good guide for postfix ore courier. i would like my mailsystem to have imap,pop,spam,smtp auth,virus filter... anybody know a good guide? |
| 12:49.13 | toad_ | and it's no more off topic than anything else anyone's said in the last hour |
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| 12:49.22 | amorphix | tarzeau: P3 |
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| 12:49.47 | tralala | toad_: that goes for Europe *only* |
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| 12:49.56 | toad_ | tralala: sorry? |
| 12:49.57 | wols | ncp: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 12:50.08 | toad_ | tralala: software patents already exist in the US, and have gotten pretty ludicrous |
| 12:50.10 | toad_ | and in japan |
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| 12:50.17 | toad_ | and will soon be clearly legal in europe |
| 12:50.20 | amorphix | stock kernel is not the best way to go for Pentium-M support eh |
| 12:50.21 | kuru | when reconfiguring the locales... 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and adding/deleting locales, do I have to do a reboot to have them take effect? |
| 12:50.24 | toad_ | and everywhere else too |
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| 12:50.55 | amorphix | how much Pentium-M support is there anyway in 2.6.11? |
| 12:50.58 | tralala | toad_: well, this was my next point - linux is being *actively* developed in the US despite of the swp |
| 12:51.04 | WiFiTux | amorphix: total? |
| 12:51.04 | liable | amorphix: it is supported, read your logs and look in lsmod |
| 12:51.07 | peterS | amorphix: how much do you want? |
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| 12:51.11 | amorphix | i think it's behind XP if im not mistaken for stepping |
| 12:51.20 | mdh | ncp: apt-get install postfix courier-imap-ssl courier-pop-ssl spamassassin courier-doc postfix-doc and rtfm |
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| 12:51.27 | toad_ | tralala: MS is waiting for swpats to get legal in europe |
| 12:51.29 | tralala | and even when they become a fact in Europe... so what? |
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| 12:51.34 | toad_ | they're on their best behaviour until that happens |
| 12:51.46 | directhex|work | amorphix, as i've attempted to say several times, pentium m works fine in linux generally, cpu frequency scaling works on Banias-core chips with 2.6.6 or higher, and not at all with Dothan core (without a patch) |
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| 12:51.51 | toad_ | afterwards they start suing people (they may have to wait until they have more patents than IBM, but that won't take long) |
| 12:52.02 | tralala | toad_: bullshit |
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| 12:52.09 | amorphix | peterS: well my laptop gets quite hot, would be good to use frequency stepping and better power management/disk management |
| 12:52.11 | tralala | drop the bullshit already, will you? |
| 12:52.39 | kuru | appears so |
| 12:52.41 | toad_ | if you give me a convincing reason to |
| 12:52.44 | tralala | We recieved your message. Now let's wait and see if you're a prophet or merely a moron. |
| 12:52.46 | amorphix | directhex: sorry, how do i know which type of chip i have? |
| 12:52.48 | peterS | amorphix: yeah, there should be a speedstep module that supports pentium m |
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| 12:52.49 | mdh | toad_: and then we all pool our money together, fly to redmond wa, and start cracking skulls until they stop |
| 12:52.51 | sewi | is there a website where is a list of new packages added to the etch repository? |
| 12:52.56 | toad_ | tralala: fair enough by me :) |
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| 12:53.03 | directhex|work | amorphix, do you know the model number of the CPU? |
| 12:53.05 | toad_ | tralala: everyone else was talking bullshit |
| 12:53.09 | toad_ | but lets get on topic now by all means |
| 12:53.14 | amorphix | directhex: unfortunately i dont |
| 12:53.28 | peterS | amorphix: /proc/cpuinfo will know |
| 12:53.32 | directhex|work | amorphix, what speed is it? |
| 12:53.33 | amorphix | ok |
| 12:53.34 | ethics | i love apt....58 dependancies all worked out great on an upgrade hehehe 8) |
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| 12:53.47 | amorphix | it's a P3M-600Mhz |
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| 12:53.57 | directhex|work | amorphix, sigh. p3 != p-m |
| 12:53.59 | J_P | people, anyone know if exist one sarge installer for install with reiserfs4 ? |
| 12:54.11 | directhex|work | amorphix, you don't have pentium-m |
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| 12:54.39 | amorphix | you must be kidding! |
| 12:54.43 | amorphix | it says on my laptop spec i do |
| 12:54.48 | Eulex | amorphix: pentium 3 m = pentium 3 mobile edition |
| 12:54.55 | tralala | J_P: if you will be using reiserfs4 you should *really* know how to install it |
| 12:55.04 | liable | amorphix: read your logs and see what it says at bootup. |
| 12:55.08 | Eulex | amorphix: pentium m = pentium mobile |
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| 12:55.20 | directhex|work | amorphix. pentium 3 mobile -> pentium 4 mobile -> pentium m |
| 12:55.26 | amorphix | heres what it says in the spec sheet: |
| 12:55.32 | amorphix | 00-, 650-, or 700-MHz Intel Mobile Pentium III processor with Speed Step technology with 256-KB four-way set-associative L2 cache |
| 12:55.37 | exerd | what shall i do when my cdrom refuses to umount? It says that the drive is busy. |
| 12:55.39 | amorphix | *6 |
| 12:55.43 | bbrazil | exerd: lsof |
| 12:55.50 | directhex|work | for fuck's fucking sake, PENTIUM-M IS A SPECIFIC CPU TYPE, IT IS NOT P3 OR P4 |
| 12:55.52 | wols | amorphix: Mobile Pentium III != Pentium-M |
| 12:55.56 | Eulex | amorphix: exactly, a pentium 3 m |
| 12:56.04 | mdh | exerd: run fuser on the mount point and see what's keeping it open |
| 12:56.10 | amorphix | thats what i said isnt it |
| 12:56.23 | liable | exerd: lsof /dev/hdc then kill whats using it |
| 12:56.25 | tralala | directhex|work: I know. |
| 12:56.29 | toad_ | pentium M is based on pentium 3 |
| 12:56.43 | amorphix | so i have a PIII-M |
| 12:56.46 | toad_ | but it's not pentium 3, it has SSE2 and so on and is really nice power consumption |
| 12:56.47 | exerd | liable, thanks how do i kill? |
| 12:56.49 | wols | toad_: but it is no pentium M |
| 12:56.49 | toad_ | no you have a Pentium M |
| 12:56.58 | Eulex | amorphix: what you have is a pentium 3 in the mobile version... |
| 12:56.58 | liable | exerd: killall |
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| 12:57.01 | J_P | tralala: i know as install it, but i like know if exist one installer for install sarge with reiserfs4 option for formating disc, understand ? |
| 12:57.01 | toad_ | okay |
| 12:57.02 | wols | a AMD Opteron is also based on the athlon XP, but it's no athlon |
| 12:57.04 | amorphix | ok |
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| 12:57.24 | toad_ | wols: ;) |
| 12:57.26 | amorphix | so i should not be chosing Pentium Mobile in the kernel menuconfig eh |
| 12:57.35 | Eulex | amorphix: a pentium m is *based* on the pentium 3's... that said, pentium m != pentium 3 m |
| 12:57.36 | amorphix | i should have default 686 P3 |
| 12:57.37 | exerd | liable, killall? |
| 12:57.44 | wols | amorphix: choose P3 |
| 12:57.48 | amorphix | ok |
| 12:57.58 | peterS | better yet, just use a debian kernel compiled for i686\ |
| 12:58.05 | amorphix | yes |
| 12:58.05 | Eulex | amorphix: it's like ubuntu is based on debian, but ubuntu != debian |
| 12:58.08 | toad_ | okay, i'm running phpbb2 from postgres |
| 12:58.14 | toad_ | maybe i can migrate the other table to postgres as well |
| 12:58.15 | peterS | it's not like "pentium 3 specific" is going to be so much leeter |
| 12:58.15 | amorphix | i understand it now |
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| 12:58.42 | J_P | tralala: you use reiserfs4 ? |
| 12:58.47 | mdh | exerd: hope you're not doing something dumb like still having your shell's cwd inside the mount point of your cdrom |
| 12:58.53 | toad_ | J_P: uh oh... |
| 12:59.07 | exerd | mdh, hehe no =) |
| 12:59.08 | amorphix | i was able to boot with a Pentium Mobile built kernel |
| 12:59.18 | J_P | toad_: ? |
| 12:59.37 | Eulex | amorphix: yes, but I'm able to run p4 code on a p2 |
| 12:59.41 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:59.51 | toad_ | J_P: second biggest source of flamewars here i think... or maybe the third |
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| 13:00.00 | tralala | J_P: no I use 3 |
| 13:00.03 | mdh | amorphix: al it does is change some gcc options that will make it sub-optimal on stuff that's NOT that cpu |
| 13:00.17 | amorphix | i see |
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| 13:01.05 | amorphix | another problem im having is getting wacdump (wacom pad detection utility) to detect my pad which is hooked up to the serial port..connection just times out |
| 13:01.21 | J_P | toad_: what is your problem ? |
| 13:01.33 | toad_ | J_P: no problem |
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| 13:01.57 | amorphix | i wonder whats happening there |
| 13:02.29 | J_P | tralala: years ago was released one D-I(non official) for install debian with xfs, then i like know if exist one similar for install deabian with reiserfs4! |
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| 13:02.59 | Cope | when mv-ing a file, what's the process? does it 'copy' the file first, and only delete the original upon sucessful completion? does this mean if mv-ing a large file, one needs enough free space to accomodate two copies of the large file? what happens if the process is interrupted? is the data lost? |
| 13:03.04 | Cope | (assuming moving on the same filesystem) |
| 13:03.12 | amorphix | am i right in thinking a serial wacom pad doesnt need any special driver in 2.6.11 kernel? |
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| 13:03.34 | wols | Cope: just inodes are re~written |
| 13:03.41 | mdh | Cope: on the same filesystem, mv simply relinks the inodes to the target directory inode, no data is shifted |
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| 13:03.59 | peterS | amorphix: a serial *anything* can be theoretically driven directly from userspace, given a kernel driver for the serial port itself |
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| 13:04.25 | peterS | amorphix: whether any userspace software actually does drive a serial wacom pad directly, I don't know, but it's not something you really need kernel support for |
| 13:04.29 | amorphix | i see |
| 13:04.42 | mdh | Cope: also, mv by posix spec is an atomic operation |
| 13:04.53 | amorphix | so i should be able to detect my pad then with wacdump |
| 13:05.06 | amorphix | i wonder why it doesnt speak to it |
| 13:05.09 | peterS | amorphix: however, kernel 2.6 has definitely moved in the direction of putting input device drivers directly in the kernel. serial mice did not used to be a kernel concern, for example, but now they are |
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| 13:05.37 | Cope | mdh: could you explain what you mean? |
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| 13:05.49 | slushpupie | does anyone know how to get apt-get to tell me /why/ it wants to remove certain packages? |
| 13:05.52 | amorphix | i dunno, maybe its because im using a laptop with a actiPointer and pad on it |
| 13:06.01 | stouset | Jesus. archivemail takes forever on IMAP folders with 32,000 emails in them :-) |
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| 13:06.40 | mops | what the exactly name of the X server meta-package in testing distro? |
| 13:06.45 | mdh | Cope: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_(computer_science) |
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| 13:06.57 | pholie | hello, i am trying to install debian from existing system. http://www.at.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en but C.4.2 part is quite confusing to me, can someone help me? |
| 13:07.05 | ethics | mops kdesktop gnome xfce4 fluxbox |
| 13:07.13 | streuner | mops: x-window-sytem(-core) |
| 13:07.16 | ethics | mops there 4 for you |
| 13:07.28 | mops | ethics: so I should only issue to install one window manager? |
| 13:07.34 | ethics | mops oh you mean that x server package |
| 13:07.41 | mops | ethics: yes |
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| 13:07.52 | mops | but deps will handle also apt-get install fluxbox, yes? |
| 13:07.54 | ethics | mops all those can be on one just as session types |
| 13:07.57 | slushpupie | pholie: whats confusing to you? |
| 13:08.18 | mwilson | slushpupie: Because you told it that it was allowed to, of course |
| 13:08.38 | Demosthenes | ok, so now that sarge is released as the new stable, must i update my sources on my woody boxes to point to something other than stable? |
| 13:08.43 | pholie | slushpupie: they wnat me to download .deb file and then extract it with tar!? |
| 13:08.51 | slushpupie | mwilson: aptitude does not show the same behavior. for some reason, apt-get wants to remove a bunch of packages |
| 13:09.11 | stouset | Demosthenes: You probably shouldn't have it point to stable in the first place. Have it point to woody if you want it to use woody. |
| 13:09.22 | slushpupie | pholie: yes |
| 13:09.37 | Cope | mdh: thanks - understood. |
| 13:09.44 | stouset | pholie: .deb files are just specially crafted archives. |
| 13:10.06 | slushpupie | pholie: try it and see what happens |
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| 13:11.03 | albert_ | exit |
| 13:11.05 | pholie | slushpupie: no it doesn't work |
| 13:11.15 | stouset | albert_: IRC is not a shell :-) |
| 13:11.19 | stouset | pholie: What fails? |
| 13:11.29 | migma | where can I find md5 checksums of the i386 isos? |
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| 13:11.54 | slushpupie | migma: they should be in the same directory you downloaded them from |
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| 13:12.21 | stouset | pholie: Aaaaah! I think that's a bug in the documentation. |
| 13:12.34 | stouset | pholie: It should say "ar -xf debootstrap_0.X.X_arch.deb" |
| 13:12.36 | pholie | stouset: i dlded debootstrap_0.3.0_i386.deb and.. |
| 13:12.39 | stouset | pholie: Rather than tar |
| 13:12.43 | migma | slushpupie I downloaded from BT, and there isn't a MD5 file there |
| 13:12.50 | pholie | yes, that's it :) |
| 13:13.03 | stouset | Guys, any way to file a bug report against install docs? |
| 13:13.04 | slushpupie | migma: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 13:13.18 | stouset | There's a bug in http://www.at.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, telling people to use tar to extract a debian archive, rather than ar. |
| 13:13.22 | peterS | migma: hmm, you'd think they'd include that in the .torrent |
| 13:13.32 | migma | thanks |
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| 13:13.35 | pholie | stouset: thank you, i wouldn't discover it on my own :) |
| 13:13.53 | xiaogil | when i use the command "iwconfig eth1 essid xiaogil mode ad-hoc", people that have a wifi card can get connected to my computer, but they can't access to my local server (while it works with an ethernet cable) |
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| 13:14.48 | xiaogil | what should i do to enable them to access the local server ? |
| 13:15.18 | slushpupie | xiaogil: what server? |
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| 13:17.04 | VoX | has the gnome transition in sid finished? |
| 13:17.06 | tralala | xiaogil: do you have a firewall? |
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| 13:17.36 | mwilson | Oh, boy... another one. |
| 13:17.37 | xiaogil | tralala: no, i don't (i don't think so) |
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| 13:17.48 | antgel | anyone know of any software in debian that lets one use a machine as in an internet cafe, logging off after time run out etc? |
| 13:17.50 | stouset | VoX: Checking #gnome-debian, I believe so. |
| 13:17.50 | xiaogil | slushpupie: the local server that's on my computer |
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| 13:17.59 | VoX | stouset: cheers |
| 13:18.05 | slushpupie | xiaogil: what software? |
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| 13:18.23 | tralala | xiaogil: check that: a) you have an IP assigned to the wireless card and it is the same IP that they are trying to reach; b) your firewall is configured to allow access from the wireless network |
| 13:18.27 | amorphix | sheesh. i must be really dumb..cant even get my wacom serial pad to work in X |
| 13:18.32 | VoX | stouset: heh there's no-one there.. |
| 13:18.38 | stouset | VoX: irc.gimp.org |
| 13:18.41 | xiaogil | slushpupie: apache2 |
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| 13:19.11 | mdh | antgel: you have the login script run an at job that kills all the user's processes when time is up |
| 13:19.17 | tralala | VoX: most of us don't use sid. The ones who do don't use gnome. |
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| 13:19.48 | xiaogil | tralala: for the first step, i use the command : "ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 up", for the second one, can you tell me how to do that ? |
| 13:19.49 | wolaopa | i run nmap on localhost and there is this service 'blackice-icecap' on the list. what is this? |
| 13:19.54 | VoX | tralala: yeah, i've noticed.. :) |
| 13:20.07 | stouset | pholie: The bug's been fixed, but the new version of the manual hasn't been uploaded yet :-) |
| 13:20.22 | antgel | mdh: |
| 13:20.24 | antgel | oops |
| 13:20.36 | pholie | stouset: ok :) |
| 13:20.56 | antgel | mdh: know of any other software that helps e.g. makes the login screen friendly etc? |
| 13:21.00 | tralala | VoX: so you've also noticed that although your question is not exactly off-topic here you don't have great chances for an answer |
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| 13:22.10 | VoX | tralala: well i wouldnt say the question was off-topic at all, but yes, the chances of an answer were slim. but one does not discover things if one does not ask |
| 13:22.23 | tralala | xiaogil: paste 'ip a' and 'ip r' to #flood |
| 13:22.36 | vorsprung | wolaopa, netstat -punt and look at the pid with ps axu |
| 13:22.53 | mdh | antgel: you can configure gdm any way you like, you might also like to apt-cache search cafe |
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| 13:23.12 | tralala | VoX: actually there isn't an agreement if sid is supported here or not |
| 13:23.24 | wolaopa | vorsprung, don't get it. nobody knows offhand what it is? |
| 13:23.49 | VoX | tralala: righto then. |
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| 13:24.34 | tralala | but it's not recommended for sure |
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| 13:24.53 | antgel | mdh: thanks |
| 13:24.55 | mdh | VoX: I've seen new packages the past few days, I can't recall what hasn't been updated yet offhand, but dpkg -l will be able to tell you |
| 13:25.10 | vorsprung | wolaopa, it's whatever you have running on port 8081 |
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| 13:25.23 | mdh | antgel: I recall seeing some programs for internet cafes in debian. haven't had to use them so I can't help you beyond that, sorry |
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| 13:25.38 | vorsprung | wolaopa, sorry I don't know offhand which debian program has this |
| 13:25.52 | aspr1 | i am new here |
| 13:25.54 | wolaopa | vorsprung, ok, thks. |
| 13:25.57 | vorsprung | wolaopa, but you can find out easily with the method I described above |
| 13:26.05 | mdh | well, you all should be proud, I gave up watching the best sporting event ever; in which my team won by a decent margin btw, in order to install debian |
| 13:26.10 | tralala | aspr1: ok |
| 13:26.15 | mdh | man I am such a geek |
| 13:26.26 | stouset | mdh: curling? |
| 13:26.30 | wolaopa | vorsprung, netstat doesn't show anything about it. |
| 13:26.32 | aspr1 | any advantage in using debian than fedora? i am new to lnx |
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| 13:26.50 | mdh | stouset: rugby |
| 13:26.54 | tralala | I read somewhere that the definition for a geek is someone who has had more computers than girlfriends |
| 13:26.56 | stouset | aspr1: You don't have to spend hours hunting down random pieces of software and dependencies manually. |
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| 13:27.54 | vorsprung | wolaopa, netstat -vatp as root .. sorry I think I gave you the wrong flags there |
| 13:27.55 | mdh | aspr1: debian is much much easier than any redhat based distro to administer. the only downside for a newbie is that debian has so many options (in terms of software packages you can install) it can be daunting |
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| 13:28.14 | vorsprung | wolaopa, I don't normally use netstat for that, I use a non standard program called "lsof" |
| 13:28.23 | aspr1 | stouset: k i c |
| 13:28.26 | wolaopa | vorsprung, thks again. |
| 13:28.33 | tralala | aspr1: fedora is easy to use if you don't want to be bothered learning and you don't mind being unefficient. Debian requires learning and developing skills to be used but pays off greatly. |
| 13:28.41 | mdh | aspr1: eg, if you want to have a mail server, debian has 75 packages that respond to a search for "MTA" ;) |
| 13:28.44 | stouset | !k |
| 13:28.44 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 13:28.51 | stouset | !c |
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| 13:28.52 | dpkg | See, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you. |
| 13:29.11 | tralala | aspr1: don't use lame abbreviations here |
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| 13:29.24 | aspr1 | ohh that is good |
| 13:29.46 | aspr1 | is it difficult to install? |
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| 13:30.10 | wolaopa | i was just worried that it could be some spyware. do we (debian users) have to worry about this? |
| 13:30.11 | hnaz | hi! |
| 13:30.22 | aspr1 | bcoz earlier redhat used to get easily installed from the cd |
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| 13:30.24 | tralala | it is more difficult than fedora/mandriva/suse/linspire etc |
| 13:30.34 | hnaz | anyone aware of this messy big fonts in sid? |
| 13:30.40 | hnaz | i dont understand why i cant fix it.. |
| 13:30.43 | aspr1 | ok |
| 13:31.02 | a_dave | hi all, I have a dumb question: my apt sources have pointed to testing for at least a year. Does the june 5 release mean they should point to stable? |
| 13:31.04 | tralala | aspr1: don't use lame abbreviations here (again) |
| 13:31.11 | vorsprung | wolaopa, er yes we do...but the good news is that it is easy to track what is supposed to be installed on your system and to install tools like integrit and chkrootkit to protect it |
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| 13:31.14 | mdh | aspr1: the current stable version of debian is really easy to install, it asks just a few simple questions like what timezone you're in and what keyboard layout you'd like and where you want to install to, then off it goes |
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| 13:31.48 | aspr1 | what is this lame abbrevations? i am new to irc also sorry! |
| 13:31.48 | wolaopa | vorsprung, i have yet to install those. |
| 13:31.58 | aspr1 | i am using this from yday |
| 13:31.58 | mdh | a_dave: point them to the actual release names (woody, sarge, etch, et al) instead |
| 13:32.10 | vorsprung | wolaopa, there is a debian security howto you can read if you are concerned. It's quite good |
| 13:32.12 | mdh | a_dave: in your case, you want sarge I believe |
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| 13:32.19 | a_dave | mdh: I shal from now on. thanks. |
| 13:32.25 | tralala | aspr1: it is: u, c, thx, bcoz, etc |
| 13:32.48 | aspr1 | ok |
| 13:32.48 | tralala | aspr1: and also: lol, n00b, h4x0r, etc |
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| 13:32.59 | wolaopa | vorsprung, ok, under the debian website, i suppose. |
| 13:33.10 | gorby | Hi, Im installing a IDE disk in my primary salve disk, Sarge was installed on Secondary master ¦ I created a new entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst which pics u |
| 13:33.39 | aspr1 | ok sorry for using that |
| 13:33.39 | gorby | up the the right hd assienment but then i get kernel panic whilst booting what else do i have to change? |
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| 13:34.56 | tralala | aspr1: there are howtos for installing the debian though. I guess they make the process a lot easier |
| 13:34.59 | tralala | !d-i |
| 13:34.59 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:35.16 | mdh | gorby: don't forget the line for initrd if you're using the default sarge kernel |
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| 13:36.02 | mdh | gorby: I fell for that one earlier myself when trying to correct a screwup the sarge installer made of the grub config |
| 13:36.02 | aspr1 | ok i will make a try |
| 13:36.04 | sewi | what package is responsible for Fixed fonts. I'm using gvim and this font style is not there. Any idea? |
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| 13:36.30 | borco | hi |
| 13:36.31 | mdh | sewi: 'fixed' is always there for your X server will not start |
| 13:37.38 | tralala | aspr1: keep in mind that you will need to spend considerable amount of time learning how to use debian. Don't expect it to be easy right from the start. |
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| 13:38.02 | sewi | mdh, so why I don't have it available in gvim? In menu, there is no fixed font listed. |
| 13:38.08 | aspr1 | ok |
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| 13:38.23 | mdh | sewi: gvim is using truetype fonts |
| 13:38.26 | gorby | mdh: Well All i did in menu.lst was creat an identical entry (initrd included) but just changed hd0 0 to hd1 0 and /dev/hdc to /dev/hdd |
| 13:38.42 | calyth | sorry for the OT perl question, but I need to know this really soon. for a string in " quotes, can I break it into multiple lines by typing backslash before spliting the line? |
| 13:38.44 | mdh | sewi: if you do :set guifont=* you should get a list |
| 13:39.04 | gorby | It boots but then goes mental when itialiseing new disks |
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| 13:39.30 | sewi | mdh, well in Slackware, I had such entry in .vimrc and the 'fixed' fonts were there. |
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| 13:39.47 | snuff- | anyone have idea if hp photosmart 635 should work with linux usb-storage? |
| 13:40.01 | mdh | gorby: primary slave is hdb not hdd |
| 13:40.09 | sewi | mdh, set guifont=Fixed\ Semi-Condensed\ 12 |
| 13:40.13 | snuff- | at least in winxp it works without drivers |
| 13:40.23 | calyth | snuff-: I don't see why it would hurt to try... my olympus was basically used as a card reader |
| 13:40.24 | sewi | mdh, this doesn't work in |
| 13:40.38 | mdh | sewi: check your freetype/xft setup |
| 13:40.43 | sewi | Debian, whereas it works in Slackware |
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| 13:41.10 | gorby | mdh: Yes, but sarge is on sec master, it goes screwy when i put new disk on pri slave |
| 13:41.21 | sewi | mdh, I have no idea how to check this setup? |
| 13:41.34 | Eulex | sewi: when configuring, did you say yes to use bitmap fonts (is bitmap fonts what you mean)? |
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| 13:41.45 | mdh | sewi: fwiw, I don't have the regular fonts mapped for freetype to use, so I don't have fixed either. But I did install some nice ttf fonts to use instead :) |
| 13:42.14 | xiaogil | tralala: sorry, i was disconnected because i tried to configure the wifi |
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| 13:42.22 | mdh | gorby: that's weird, it shouldn't matter unless both disks have artitions with the bootable flag set and your bios is getting confused :) |
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| 13:43.20 | xiaogil | tralala: i copy-pasted ip a and ip r for you in flood |
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| 13:43.41 | tralala | I couldn't escape noticing that you're actually running ubuntu... |
| 13:43.47 | tralala | anyway |
| 13:43.50 | gorby | mdh: No i just figured out how i was being stupid... All i need to change is the part that is written hd0 0 not /the dev/hdd bit that dont change! |
| 13:43.55 | mdh | sewi: google for "profont" and "ProggyClean" |
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| 13:44.59 | tralala | xiaogil: so which eth has your wireless card? |
| 13:45.01 | gorby | how do u refer to that bit "hd 0 0" in menu.lst 'Logical volume number' ?? |
| 13:45.12 | xiaogil | tralala: eth1 |
| 13:45.16 | jm_ | gorby: device name |
| 13:45.29 | gorby | I thought that was /dev/hdc etc etc |
| 13:45.33 | tralala | xiaogil: are you sure? |
| 13:45.33 | sewi | Eulex | mdh, hmm my knowlegde about fonts is not good, and I'm a little confused whether 'fixed' is a bitmap font |
| 13:45.42 | xiaogil | tralala: yes |
| 13:45.43 | jm_ | gorby: info grub -> Naming convention |
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| 13:45.59 | tralala | xiaogil: iptables -L -n -v |
| 13:46.04 | Rage__ | Anyone got a clue why my mouse works with kernel 2.6.8 but not 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 - same config? |
| 13:46.10 | gorby | k, thx for help / logic :) |
| 13:46.14 | Rage__ | Laptop touchpad |
| 13:46.16 | ChaosEmpire[CE] | hi, is there anywhere a jigdo file to update my woody r5 cds to r6? |
| 13:46.25 | sewi | mdh, I'm just wondering why it is not available in Debian, but in Slackware is? |
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| 13:46.48 | tralala | !k |
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| 13:46.48 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 13:46.51 | tralala | !thx |
| 13:46.51 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 13:47.02 | tralala | !aolify gorby |
| 13:47.20 | michael | If i put grub on the MBR, I dont need to think about putting windows or linux partitions under the 1024 cylinder boundary limit, or am i wrong? |
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| 13:47.31 | tralala | xiaogil: so are you able to ping the other wireless hosts? |
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| 13:48.01 | dobby | hello is the rc file in the /etc/init.d/ folder the same as the rc.local file in other distribs ? |
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| 13:48.11 | stew | dobby: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 13:48.16 | dobby | thanks stew |
| 13:48.44 | hnaz | dpkg: rc.local |
| 13:48.44 | dpkg | somebody said rc.local was the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 13:48.52 | mdh | sewi: I haven't run slackware anytime this decade, so I don't know, sorry |
| 13:49.09 | xiaogil | tralala: no, i'm unbale to ping them |
| 13:49.13 | dobby | thanks man |
| 13:49.34 | mdh | sewi: my guess is that slackware is using xfs-xtt or something like that which lets the regular X bitmapped fonts be available to xft-using programs |
| 13:49.38 | tralala | xiaogil: are they configured on the same network - 192.168.0.0/24? |
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| 13:50.42 | grok | hi in there, is it possible, that a debian system crashs (kernelpanic), due of HDD errors ? |
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| 13:50.44 | sewi | mdh, I've just checked it in Emacs and there I have semicondensed fixed font available |
| 13:51.04 | tralala | grok: on boot? |
| 13:51.07 | grok | no |
| 13:51.14 | tralala | I doubt it |
| 13:51.17 | grok | on running system |
| 13:51.19 | tarzeau | grok: who is the hd manufactureres? |
| 13:51.27 | tarzeau | tralala: it happened to me with linux on alpha and scsi disks |
| 13:51.32 | grok | Hitachi |
| 13:51.44 | tarzeau | tralala: whose motors i turned off (one faulty disk makes the system freeze) |
| 13:51.48 | stew | sewi: sounds like you have a gnome problem then, try #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:51.49 | tarzeau | grok: so, yes it is possible |
| 13:51.50 | koollman | grok: there is generally some log before the crash |
| 13:51.53 | mdh | sewi: emacs doesn't use xft fonts afaik |
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| 13:52.07 | grok | But there is NO Errors in the logs |
| 13:52.08 | tarzeau | grok: ide disks i guess |
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| 13:52.19 | tarzeau | grok: on the screen nothing either? |
| 13:52.34 | tralala | hmmm |
| 13:52.35 | tralala | with a kernel panic?! |
| 13:52.35 | mdh | sewi: hence it has the regular fixed font available |
| 13:52.41 | grok | hm, cannot see the screen, due of remote machine |
| 13:52.42 | error403 | is there any way to purge all of the logs from the system? |
| 13:52.44 | sewi | stew, I'm under KDE |
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| 13:53.15 | bluefox83 | does anyone know how to make xmms use gtk's themes? |
| 13:53.22 | tarzeau | bluefox83: no |
| 13:53.31 | tarzeau | bluefox83: you can't. it has their own skins |
| 13:53.31 | sewi | mdh, so how to make gvim using regular fixed font? |
| 13:53.33 | grok | tralala is it possible, that a damaged hdd crashes the whole kernel filesystem driver, so it cannot write anything to log, if the error happens |
| 13:53.38 | tarzeau | bluefox83: so it can be really cool and incosistent |
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| 13:53.51 | bluefox83 | i was poking around and noticed that a gtkrc file that you can create to make it use gtk themes.. |
| 13:53.55 | tarzeau | bluefox83: that's hip, since 1995 you know |
| 13:54.13 | tralala | error403: find /var/log -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
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| 13:55.57 | tralala | grok: I find it unlikely that a write failure will crash the kernel driver... |
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| 13:57.16 | Eulex | grok: my hd is a little flaky on this system... sometimes I get read errors, and then it's just remounted as read-only |
| 13:57.36 | mdh | sewi: I think you can tell your X server to use "xtt" instead of "freetype" in the modules section, and then read up the docs on how to make that recognise the regular bitmapped fonts |
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| 13:58.28 | sewi | mdh, Ok I will check this, thanks |
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| 13:58.51 | mdh | bluefox83: the gnome theme manager can message xmms and tell it to switch theme, but you still need the specific xmms theme to switch to |
| 13:59.01 | Eulex | luckily I'll retire this system in about two weeks... |
| 13:59.17 | bluefox83 | mdh, that sounds like a pain in the ass.. |
| 13:59.28 | mdh | bluefox83: you should be able to find some examples on www.gnome-look.org et al of themes that take advantage of this |
| 13:59.30 | bluefox83 | i was thinking of making a transparent skin.. |
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| 13:59.46 | bluefox83 | but i dunno if you can do that :/ |
| 13:59.54 | Eulex | bluefox83, no, that's not possible |
| 14:00.00 | bluefox83 | dang |
| 14:00.23 | Eulex | bluefox83, xmms does just use a few bitmaps... with no transparency, afaik |
| 14:00.51 | bluefox83 | i hope the xmms2 they're working on will give you that ability..it'll be very cool if you can =) |
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| 14:01.23 | tarzeau | bluefox83: tried Cynthiune.app yet? |
| 14:01.24 | bluefox83 | tictac, no |
| 14:01.32 | Eulex | bluefox83, xmms2 will be a music server with a big number of "client" interface apps |
| 14:01.34 | tarzeau | bluefox83: or opencubicplayer? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 14:01.35 | bluefox83 | tarzeau, ...no... |
| 14:01.55 | tictac | hmm. |
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| 14:03.03 | tictac | well, i wonder what the problem is then. |
| 14:03.08 | hejux_ | are sid and unstable the same thing in ths source.list ???i can write it as sid and also as ustable ? |
| 14:03.24 | tictac | hejux_: yes. one is an alias for the other. |
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| 14:04.05 | hejux_ | tictac:ok but why there are two,isn't it a waste of disk ? |
| 14:04.11 | Eulex | hejux_, sid is unstable |
| 14:04.15 | bobbens | hejux_: and sid will always be unstable so no need to worry about it being released |
| 14:04.36 | directhex|work | hejux_, they don't have 2 copies. they use links. |
| 14:04.40 | bobbens | hejux_: havent you heard of symbolic links? :P |
| 14:04.41 | Eulex | hejux_, unstable is just a symlink to sid |
| 14:04.42 | hejux_ | ok |
| 14:04.49 | hejux_ | i got it |
| 14:04.52 | paulswm | hejux_: symbolic links don't take up much disk :) |
| 14:05.14 | hejux_ | sid is easier to type :) |
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| 14:05.28 | Ugot2BkidNme | hejux_, then use sid |
| 14:05.36 | bobbens | hejux_: saves you a few bytes in your sources.list :P |
| 14:06.32 | hejux_ | bobbens: i don't care about that fewer bytes . |
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| 14:06.54 | bobbens | hejux_: no one does :P, just being ironic |
| 14:07.10 | tictac | but you were worried about debian mirrors using more space having two mirrors for sid though.. |
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| 14:08.44 | hejux_ | bobbens: what diff. between xorg and xfree86 ? |
| 14:09.43 | stouset | hejux_: xfree86 has basically been abandoned due to licensing issues. xorg is a fork of it, which has had major development |
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| 14:09.57 | ralf | stouset: use xorg |
| 14:10.02 | snadge | hejux_, xorg is more |33+ |
| 14:10.05 | directhex|work | hejux_, current versions? the license, and extra features. the version oof xfree86 in debian has an okay license, but very old drivers |
| 14:10.06 | ralf | stouset: if you can :) |
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| 14:10.18 | r1k0 | hid3, Iam a debian noob and I'm about to buy a pcmcia NIC but Im not sure which one should be best for the drivers??can someone give an advise please ?thx by advance |
| 14:10.44 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 14:10.44 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 14:10.45 | vibey | my debian box doesn't report a hostname to the dhcp server... it gets an IP but has the hostname of * |
| 14:10.49 | vibey | how do i fix that? |
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| 14:11.10 | tarzeau | vibey: huh? |
| 14:11.20 | r1k0 | dpkg, could give me an advise please about a pcmcia chipset ? |
| 14:11.37 | petemc | vibey: dhcp broadcasts the mac address, not hostnames |
| 14:11.39 | directhex|work | vibey, knowing how most low-end dhcp systems work, it expects a hostname provided by NETBIOS. try installing Samba |
| 14:11.39 | vibey | tarzeau: when i look at the active dhcp ip table on my router... |
| 14:11.50 | wigwam | I just read about xorg. When I apt-get install xserver-xfree86, is this xfree (old) or xorg(new) ? How can I get xorg? |
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| 14:11.55 | wigwam | I have sid btw. |
| 14:12.01 | directhex|work | wigwam, old, and you can't yet |
| 14:12.01 | vibey | directhex|work: i suspected that... |
| 14:12.06 | vibey | directhex|work: thanks |
| 14:12.08 | Eulex | r1k0: realtek 8139 is good... if you mean non-wireless |
| 14:12.10 | bob2 | r1k0: do you mean a wireless nic? |
| 14:12.25 | wigwam | directhex|work: no packages available or other reason? |
| 14:12.39 | directhex|work | wigwam, no official packages in debian for xorg |
| 14:12.41 | rking | what's a factoid that will tell me how to get my HorizSync and VertRefresh values? I don't have the "manual" for this monitor |
| 14:12.46 | r1k0 | thank you guys for helping me |
| 14:12.47 | wigwam | directhex|work: merci ;) |
| 14:13.00 | directhex|work | rking, apt-get install hwinfo && hwinfo --monitor |
| 14:13.04 | dothebart | hy. i've got a problem with the debian-glibc mailinglist. i want to unsubscribe, but i don't know the exact email address, which i'm subscribed with, so my tries fail... |
| 14:13.12 | r1k0 | dpkg, ull tell me how u can tell I'm a noob ;o) |
| 14:13.26 | rking | directhex|work: awesome |
| 14:13.28 | Eulex | !u |
| 14:13.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:13.33 | r1k0 | thx and have a nice day |
| 14:13.36 | Eulex | !ull |
| 14:13.39 | rking | dpkg, resolution is also see hwinfo |
| 14:13.39 | dpkg | rking: okay |
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| 14:14.03 | Eulex | !noob |
| 14:14.03 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 14:14.49 | Eulex | !tell eulex about resolution |
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| 14:14.51 | stouset | dothebart: check the headers of your received messages |
| 14:14.52 | Eulex | (just testing) |
| 14:15.03 | tictac | rking: linux.google.com/search?q=monitor+VertSync |
| 14:15.14 | dothebart | stouset: the mta cuts it of to the account which it is received... |
| 14:15.27 | dothebart | Delivered-To: willi@7val.com |
| 14:15.50 | gorby | mdh: I sorted out the problem but now i have to ctrl+D to finish boot up, did u get that too? |
| 14:16.02 | tictac | err. cut out the linux subdomain. |
| 14:16.05 | stouset | dothebart: It cuts it out of the full headers? |
| 14:16.10 | dothebart | the original to looks like that To: GOMBAS Gabor <gombasg@sztaki.hu> |
| 14:16.19 | Eulex | !tell gorby about u |
| 14:16.32 | dothebart | stouset: this is the only reference i can find in the headers... |
| 14:16.41 | directhex|work | rking, did hwinfo do the job? |
| 14:16.54 | stouset | dothebart: And neither of those are the email address you subscribed with? |
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| 14:17.16 | TNKS | hi all. Has anybody compiled their kernel to support those cheap USB flash card readers? |
| 14:17.24 | dothebart | nope, the to is the reporter, and unsubscribe via willi@7val.com fails. |
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| 14:17.41 | Eulex | tnks: define "those cheap usb flash card readers" |
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| 14:17.46 | stouset | dothebart: I'm out of ideas :-) |
| 14:17.57 | Eulex | tnks: what chipset? |
| 14:18.07 | TNKS | Eulex, I have one by a company called Dazzle. |
| 14:18.08 | directhex|work | TNKS, they're basic usb mass storage. supported in all debian kernels. |
| 14:18.11 | dothebart | is there a human person administrating the ox ale to help me? |
| 14:18.13 | stouset | TNKS: It's unlikely that anyone here has needed to compile their kernel to support anything, considering every driver available comes as a module by default. |
| 14:18.21 | Esaj | what's a good way to organise photos in linux? |
| 14:18.32 | tictac | pornview |
| 14:18.37 | stouset | dothebart: I'm wondering how they'd help you, considering you don't have the email address :-) |
| 14:18.49 | cahoot | Esaj: might look at imgSeek |
| 14:18.52 | Eulex | !pornview |
| 14:18.53 | dpkg | methinks pornview is an awesome porn viewer!, or good for non-porno image libraries. Just ignore the icon. |
| 14:18.59 | dothebart | well, it can't be that much different. |
| 14:19.06 | TNKS | directhex|work, that's actually along the lines of what I was wondering. |
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| 14:19.24 | dothebart | but there are about a dozends spelling of the domain, the user should be willi or w.goesgens or so. |
| 14:19.26 | stouset | dothebart: You could always inquire on the mailing list itself. |
| 14:19.37 | dothebart | subscribe a second time? |
| 14:19.43 | Eulex | hehe, I must stop assuming that everything needs special drivers |
| 14:19.49 | Esaj | hehe, pornview is funny |
| 14:19.52 | Esaj | thanks |
| 14:19.58 | directhex|work | !porn-get |
| 14:19.58 | dpkg | it has been said that porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
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| 14:20.07 | Eulex | hehe |
| 14:20.14 | rking | directhex|work: well, hwinfo --monitor shows that i can get 1280x960@60Hz, so i guess i should just lie to XF86Config until it coughs up the resolution |
| 14:20.15 | tictac | dothebart: just abandon the email address the mailing list is sending to and you wont have to worry about it. :P |
| 14:20.22 | TNKS | the kernel has a USB_STORAGE option. . . but also some more specific drivers. I guess you're suggesting I won't need to compile something like USB_STORAGE_DPCM additionally. |
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| 14:20.27 | dothebart | :( |
| 14:20.30 | directhex|work | rking, look at the bottom of the output |
| 14:20.30 | hejux_ | how to install xorg on debian ? |
| 14:20.40 | directhex|work | hejux_, you don't |
| 14:20.44 | dothebart | hm. maybe i shall write a mail to postmaster? |
| 14:20.46 | Eulex | tnks: nope, there's most probably a module for that |
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| 14:20.51 | rking | can you actually tell the difference between fooResolution@85Hz and fooResolution@60Hz? |
| 14:21.03 | stouset | TNKS: There's either a module for it, or it's compiled in by default and disabled unless needed. |
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| 14:21.07 | tictac | hejux_: find an unofficial package, compile from src, alienate (or attempt to) an ropm package. |
| 14:21.11 | R_engel | hejux_: is use unnofficial reposiritory |
| 14:21.18 | stouset | hejux_: Wait? |
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| 14:21.20 | dobby | what kind of group and rights are the best for virtual hosts. would be somthing like 710 for the directory ok and a bin/false in the passwd? |
| 14:21.20 | wigwam | rking: the first one is recognized as a valid e-mail address by my irc-client. What the... |
| 14:21.21 | Eulex | hejux_, if you really want, it's possible to use the ubuntu xorg |
| 14:21.24 | rking | directhex|work: Shows a bunch of "Resolution: " lines, and then Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown |
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| 14:21.49 | rking | wigwam: heh, i guess the "?" threw off the other one. fooResolution@60Hz |
| 14:21.51 | directhex|work | rking, you don't have a horizontal sync & vertical sync line at the bottom? |
| 14:22.01 | wigwam | rking: right ;) |
| 14:22.02 | rking | directhex|work: nope |
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| 14:23.36 | hejux_ | Eulex: ubuntu xorg is compiled under kernel 2.6.10 |
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| 14:23.47 | hejux_ | but debian sarge is kernel 2.6.8 |
| 14:24.14 | Eulex | hejux_, I dunno... there are also unofficial apt sources |
| 14:24.27 | xLobeznox | better compile yourself |
| 14:24.29 | Eulex | I knew one... but I seem to have forgotten it |
| 14:24.31 | xLobeznox | is easy |
| 14:25.00 | stouset | hejux_: Quick question. Why, oh why, do you need xorg? |
| 14:25.32 | directhex|work | stouset, there are many answers to that question, much as people in here claim those reasons are invalid |
| 14:25.55 | stouset | directhex|work: Not saying there aren't any reasons. Just wondering if s/he has one. |
| 14:26.03 | hejux_ | stouset: i heard that it is has lots of new feathers,xfree86 seems to be too old |
| 14:26.09 | stouset | directhex|work: Because 85% of the time, they don't, and are just making life harder on themselves. |
| 14:26.15 | directhex|work | hejux_, too old for what specifically? |
| 14:26.18 | stouset | hejux_: It seems to old? Too old for what? |
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| 14:26.42 | zOap | What is your favorite terminal emulator for linux? |
| 14:26.46 | hejux_ | stouset: i'd like to try new things |
| 14:26.56 | Ugot2BkidNme | !poll |
| 14:26.56 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 14:26.59 | sparr_ | what is the functional difference in chroot and pivot_root? |
| 14:27.26 | stouset | hejux_: It's true, xorg has new features. But not anything that is groundbreaking or worth bothering with until it's packaged and ready to go. My opinion, of course. |
| 14:27.58 | bob2 | well, it has better driver support |
| 14:27.59 | zOap | Ugot2BkidNme, hah, nice try, you are just stupid |
| 14:28.04 | bob2 | for, e.g. Intel video chipsets |
| 14:28.16 | hejux_ | sarge kernel is 2.6.8,and if i apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11 ,there would be two kernel on gurb menu ,? |
| 14:28.20 | stouset | bob2: Which is one of the reasons to bother going, if you really need it. |
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| 14:28.34 | Eulex | hejux_, yes |
| 14:28.40 | dareth | Had no trouble with Sarge and the intel video chip on a Dell 2400. Was more troublesome before with Woody. |
| 14:28.46 | stouset | hejux_: Yes. However, be warned. Some modules were taken out of the kernel after 2.6.8 due to nonfree status. |
| 14:28.57 | Ugot2BkidNme | z0ap opinions are like assholes everybody has one apparently you are one big one |
| 14:29.08 | hejux_ | Eulex: i want only 2.6.11 |
| 14:29.14 | hejux_ | how to do ? |
| 14:29.25 | Eulex | hejux_, don't remove the old one before testing the new one |
| 14:29.28 | stouset | hejux_: Why? |
| 14:29.32 | lef | I have a lycos virtual debian server but I have had it with the downtime and the non-existent service. Does anyone have a suggestion for debian dedicated servers for around 35-40 GBP a month? |
| 14:29.40 | stouset | directhex|work: By the way, case in point =P |
| 14:29.41 | alec | Trying to replace nis/yp with pam_ldap on Sarge, and I've got just about everything working. With NIS I was able to specify a shell on a host-specific basis; I've searched but have found no such functionality with pam_ldap. Does anyone know if this is possible? |
| 14:29.47 | Eulex | hejux_, after testing the new one just remove the old kernel image package |
| 14:29.50 | hejux_ | stouset:i'd like to try new things |
| 14:30.02 | hejux_ | Eulex: ok! |
| 14:30.12 | stouset | hejux_: What does installing a new kernel do for you? |
| 14:30.25 | stouset | hejux_: As an end user, absofuckinglutely nothing. |
| 14:30.29 | Eulex | hejux_: but don't remove the old kernel |
| 14:30.34 | cahoot | stouset: so let him have his way |
| 14:30.40 | directhex|work | stouset, bob2 already covered my case in point (and one of the big reasons my laptop runs ubuntu) |
| 14:30.41 | hejux_ | stouset: nothing just try it ,maybe i got nothing but reinstall debian |
| 14:30.55 | Eulex | hejux_, it's always good to have a spare kernel, if you manage to mess up one of them |
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| 14:31.05 | directhex|work | !tell stouset about sarge hardware support |
| 14:31.22 | bob2 | (and mine) |
| 14:31.34 | Eulex | !tell eulex about sarge hardware support |
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| 14:31.46 | hejux_ | ok go to work now ,sid+gnome !apt-get :P :) i like apt-get very much |
| 14:32.12 | dareth | Some drivers are improved.. b44 actually made the integrated broadcom driver in this dell 2400 work. Apt-get a kernel if all you need is a quick driver fix. |
| 14:32.37 | stouset | cahoot: If he wants to live that far on the bleeding edge, he might as well use Gentoo =P |
| 14:33.04 | Eulex | stouset: or fc4 |
| 14:33.14 | stouset | cahoot: Square peg, round hole kind of thing. |
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| 14:33.30 | cahoot | stouset: still - it's his choice - no use going moralist about it |
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| 14:33.44 | stouset | cahoot: Of course it's his choice. Can't I try and convince him otherwise? :-) |
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| 14:36.57 | LordWolF | onething |
| 14:37.15 | LordWolF | the net send of Linux doesn't work like a pop up? |
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| 14:37.29 | LordWolF | the user needs to be in the terminal to see the msn? |
| 14:37.33 | LordWolF | msg |
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| 14:37.58 | bob2 | no, you need to run a tool that cares |
| 14:37.59 | cahoot | LordWolF: try xmessage? |
| 14:38.04 | Eulex | LordWolF, what? |
| 14:38.25 | LordWolF | i want to send a msg to a user in the network |
| 14:38.45 | seldon | Use samba and linpopup or something. |
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| 14:38.53 | LordWolF | so in linux if i send a msg is it going to appear a pop up |
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| 14:39.02 | bob2 | LordWolF: not unless the machine has been told to care |
| 14:39.09 | LordWolF | mmmm ok let me see what i can do |
| 14:39.22 | bob2 | by default it won't |
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| 14:39.56 | seldon | Which is, actually, a good thing, because these popup things are really unnerving. |
| 14:40.10 | Eulex | seldon, true... |
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| 14:40.45 | yanosz | printf("Hello World\n"); |
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| 14:40.46 | individuality | hi all, do you know an easy to generate password automatically.. there's nothing about brute force, it's force user account management pupose.. |
| 14:40.54 | individuality | *way |
| 14:41.13 | bob2 | pwgen |
| 14:41.32 | individuality | ok thx |
| 14:41.39 | simonrvn | makepasswd, pwgen, pssomething... |
| 14:41.50 | simonrvn | apsg or such |
| 14:41.54 | Nostalbrie | is it possible to somehow use dhcp on virtual interfaces? with them having the same MAC address and all, i suppose that might be asking for problems? |
| 14:42.23 | yanosz | debian.org tells you might know something: Dou you have any guess: I configured d-i to install the system by ssh and set a password. No I 'm trying to connect. But what's the username? root doesn' work. Any guess? |
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| 14:42.31 | debiank | hello |
| 14:42.37 | Rawplayer | ih |
| 14:42.40 | debiank | can any help me with debian? |
| 14:42.44 | bob2 | Nostalbrie: how could you have two interfaces with the same mac at all? |
| 14:42.50 | jethro | debiank: /msg dpkg ask |
| 14:43.01 | maher | yanosz: did you set up a user account? |
| 14:43.05 | bob2 | yanosz: try #debian-boot, that's where the installer dudes are |
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| 14:43.10 | individuality | well, pwgen doesn's seem to fit since i need to know the text password, to give it to the user, i will try makepasswd |
| 14:43.10 | yanosz | thx |
| 14:43.10 | tictac | this sarge dvd seems to be acting up, yet md5 matches. :| |
| 14:43.19 | simonrvn | yanosz: there was a screen telling you all this info already |
| 14:43.29 | bob2 | individuality: er, pwgen is generating the text password |
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| 14:43.37 | simonrvn | several in fact, and one for the passwd |
| 14:43.45 | sobersabre | guys... which wiki holds data in pg db ? |
| 14:43.57 | individuality | oh, i miss something then :P |
| 14:43.59 | bob2 | none, I'd hope |
| 14:44.09 | sobersabre | bob2, why .. ? |
| 14:44.11 | simonrvn | individuality: i like makepasswd --chars=15 (and more ;) |
| 14:44.15 | wigwam | sobersabre: some... which programming-language? |
| 14:44.26 | bob2 | sobersabre: storing wiki data in a relation db is silly |
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| 14:44.54 | sobersabre | hm... bob2 why ? [ i apparently miss some concept...] |
| 14:45.08 | xiaogil | what packages do i need to install to use gnome (after having installed gnome-core) on debian ? |
| 14:45.13 | bob2 | sobersabre: what do wikis do? store copies of a page as it changes over time. |
| 14:45.20 | sobersabre | right. |
| 14:45.24 | bob2 | sobersabre: how dows that mesh with a relational at all? |
| 14:45.30 | bob2 | xiaogil: the "gnome" package |
| 14:45.33 | sobersabre | diffs... |
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| 14:45.43 | bob2 | sobersabre: but why bother? |
| 14:45.52 | bob2 | sobersabre: it's way way simpler to store it in rcs |
| 14:46.04 | sobersabre | hmm or svn ... |
| 14:46.05 | jasoncohen | rcs? |
| 14:46.06 | sobersabre | :) |
| 14:46.16 | bob2 | jasoncohen: apt-cache show rcs |
| 14:46.31 | bob2 | sobersabre: there's a "everything should be in a relational db!" meme which is silly |
| 14:46.53 | bob2 | how would you model it in a db? etc. |
| 14:47.14 | Nostalbrie | bob2, isn't that what virtual interfaces are about? or 'aliases' or whatever they're called these days |
| 14:47.14 | sobersabre | bob2, i don't have it. i just thing any db is convenient to backup/restore... so it should be stored in a db-like way... |
| 14:47.23 | simonrvn | rcs... very simple, low resource use, does the job |
| 14:47.25 | jasoncohen | so, how's gnome 2.10 running in sid? |
| 14:47.46 | simonrvn | jasoncohen: fine. some minor issues, but nothing major |
| 14:48.05 | Eulex | who |
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| 14:48.11 | Eulex | oops |
| 14:48.14 | sobersabre | ok.... bob2 i am convinced. |
| 14:48.34 | bob2 | heh, it's just my opinion |
| 14:48.40 | bob2 | I can't see any reason at all to put it in a db |
| 14:48.43 | sobersabre | bow the q. on wiki: php vs. perl vs. python |
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| 14:48.45 | bob2 | and several reasons onnot to |
| 14:48.50 | simonrvn | same here. be a waste |
| 14:48.54 | sobersabre | i mean now... |
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| 14:49.20 | paulswm | There are *still no Contents*gz files in etch on the main US mirror, that's at least three days since I noticed it, wonder wtf is going on |
| 14:49.22 | sobersabre | it will mostly be READ and sometimes written. |
| 14:49.30 | fschulte | is it possible to use ifconfig's options (e.g. promisc) in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 14:50.00 | bob2 | Nostalbrie: aliases aren't the New Way to do it |
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| 14:50.11 | jasoncohen | simonrvn, is it safe to install gnome 2.10 on etch at this point? |
| 14:50.16 | bob2 | Nostalbrie: the New Way is to just use the "ip" tool to add ips to the interface |
| 14:50.17 | simonrvn | paulswm: takes a bit of time sometimes |
| 14:50.57 | simonrvn | jasoncohen: i've been using it since it was still in experimental, been pretty much the same on 2 arches |
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| 14:51.43 | Nostalbrie | bob2, where would i find more information on that? and can it do dhcp some way? |
| 14:51.54 | Gnea | individuality: /etc/login.defs |
| 14:51.55 | bob2 | Nostalbrie: why do you want to use dhcp for this? |
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| 14:52.04 | bob2 | I'd be very surprised if dhcp worked in any of these situations |
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| 14:52.15 | Nostalbrie | bob2, because my isp wants me to use dhcp |
| 14:52.33 | Nostalbrie | i was thinking perhaps by faking the mac address on those aliases i could foil dhcp |
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| 14:52.51 | TwistedEmotions | Nostalbrie: Never listen to ISP... |
| 14:52.56 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: heh that'll cost ya |
| 14:53.08 | bob2 | Nostalbrie: you're trying to hijack extra addresses fro mthem? |
| 14:53.25 | individuality | ok, sorry I was wrong in my question, what I would like is to automatically create entries in /etc/shadow, so I guess it means that I have to generate the password first, with pwgen or makepassword, and then to encode it with the right algorithm (md5??) |
| 14:53.34 | bob2 | yes |
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| 14:54.42 | samuel | xlibmesa is a 3d graphics lib right? so why is it built as a dependency for ALL of debian? |
| 14:54.51 | Nostalbrie | bob2, not "hijack", i'm allowed to use 4 ip addresses. right now i'm using one and using NAT to connect my internal network to the internet using that one ip, but i would want to try and split my natting so all traffic coming from one specific internal ip gets nat'd to an additional external ip |
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| 14:56.49 | fas3r | hi |
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| 14:57.21 | samuel | hi |
| 14:57.32 | amorphix | o m g !!! my wacom graphics tablet is working in X!!!!!!! |
| 14:57.36 | bob2 | Nostalbrie: ouch |
| 14:57.59 | Nostalbrie | bob2, i know, sounds like a stretch :) |
| 14:58.17 | simonrvn | oooh, gimp time |
| 14:58.18 | bob2 | I'd guess the dhcp server will tell you to piss off unless you spoof a mac |
| 14:58.27 | amorphix | woah, 2-3 weeks of trying, several dozen kernels later, and even a new laptop..i finally got it working |
| 14:58.34 | bob2 | Nostalbrie: does "sudo ifconfig eth0:1 ether 00:11..." work? |
| 14:58.38 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: i tried doing that once, could not get it to work |
| 14:58.45 | simonrvn | persistence pays off ;) |
| 14:58.47 | Nostalbrie | bob2, nah, says device is busy |
| 14:58.48 | amorphix | :) |
| 14:58.51 | zOap | how can i set the default x terminal for x? |
| 14:59.06 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: of course, that was before i knew how to hook a bridge to a virtual network interface ;) |
| 14:59.18 | bob2 | xiaogil: X doesn't have one |
| 14:59.34 | Nostalbrie | Gnea, and did that help ? :) |
| 14:59.45 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: naw, i learned it MONTHS after i had moved out |
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| 15:00.08 | Nostalbrie | Gnea, mind pointing me to a place where i can learn about it while i'm still living here? :P |
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| 15:00.37 | Nostalbrie | bob2, "siocsifhwaddr: device or resource busy" |
| 15:00.49 | Nostalbrie | iirc that means something like "sod off i'm not allowing you to change the mac" :) |
| 15:01.05 | bob2 | heh |
| 15:01.19 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: just google for the bridge howto - it's likely you could set something up like dummy0 or tap0 and assign a mac to it, then throw 'em up on bridge interfaces and link 'em to your eth0 that way |
| 15:01.20 | simonrvn | you need to take the device offline first |
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| 15:01.34 | simonrvn | good idea |
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| 15:01.47 | Gnea | that's just a theory tho |
| 15:01.48 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:01.50 | yanosz | cu |
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| 15:01.57 | sypher | guys ... someone can give me some help with regular expressions? :/ |
| 15:02.13 | bob2 | sypher: if you're going to ask a vaguely on-topic question, just ask it |
| 15:02.18 | sypher | :> |
| 15:02.18 | Gnea | !someone |
| 15:02.19 | dpkg | it has been said that anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:02.20 | sypher | well ... |
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| 15:02.32 | Nostalbrie | simonrvn, "take it offline" as in ifconfig eth0:1 down? |
| 15:02.45 | sypher | i need a regex that match when word "A" and word "B" but NOT word "C" exists in a text. |
| 15:02.53 | simonrvn | that's a virtual, won't work |
| 15:02.54 | charzero | sypher: http://www.weitz.de/regex-coach/#install (this is fantastic) |
| 15:02.56 | sypher | but i dont know the operators to do that ... |
| 15:02.59 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: problem with the aliases is that they share the same mac of the root device |
| 15:03.09 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 15:03.22 | Nostalbrie | so even if i would manage to change it, i would just be changing the root device's mac ? |
| 15:03.27 | simonrvn | yes |
| 15:03.30 | Gnea | correct |
| 15:03.39 | Nostalbrie | well that kinda ruins my plan now doesn't it :) |
| 15:03.48 | bob2 | sypher: grep "(A.*B)|(B.*A)" | grep -v C |
| 15:03.58 | sypher | bob2, nope |
| 15:03.59 | sypher | not with grep |
| 15:04.05 | Gnea | well |
| 15:04.07 | sypher | its a program that recognizes regexps |
| 15:04.17 | bob2 | then join them |
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| 15:04.21 | sypher | may i ask how? |
| 15:04.32 | bob2 | you know about the alternation operator |
| 15:04.37 | cpop | hello. how do I install lame? I get "has no install candidate" |
| 15:04.38 | sypher | till now only thing i did is "A.*B" |
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| 15:04.57 | sypher | dont know how to implement the NOT C in the same regex |
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| 15:05.28 | maher | sypher: what program |
| 15:05.29 | simonrvn | man 7 regex |
| 15:05.32 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: now this is going to sound mad wack - take a hub or a switch and plug the cable modem into the uplink port on it - get 4 nics in your server and plug those into the hub/switch and have them each run dhcp |
| 15:05.37 | lehel | hello |
| 15:06.02 | lehel | Gnea: you helped me once, can i ask your help now? |
| 15:06.09 | sypher | maher, azureus |
| 15:06.13 | Gnea | lehel: you know how it works here |
| 15:06.19 | lehel | not yet |
| 15:06.21 | bob2 | haha |
| 15:06.23 | Gnea | heh |
| 15:06.27 | Gnea | just state the problem :) |
| 15:06.32 | Gnea | don't ask to ask, just ask ;) |
| 15:06.33 | lehel | k:D |
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| 15:06.40 | Nostalbrie | Gnea, yah, that's my backup plan in case i can't find a software solution :) |
| 15:06.45 | simonrvn | "state the manner of your emergency" |
| 15:07.04 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: honestly, i don't think there is a good enough software solution for that situation :) |
| 15:07.23 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: other than the bridge thing - and it doesn't seem common enough to implement |
| 15:07.42 | Gnea | before ipv6 takes over ;) |
| 15:07.43 | bob2 | bridging would only work if you bridged to the clients themselves |
| 15:07.51 | bob2 | you could proxy the dhcp requests, too |
| 15:07.56 | lehel | i have Fritz Card, which needs a driver< funny ha?:)) compilation works but when modprobe fcpci .... ERRORS |
| 15:08.07 | xoz | proxy is one possible solution |
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| 15:08.11 | bob2 | fritz the cat! |
| 15:08.17 | Gnea | i say fuckit and use a switch ;) |
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| 15:08.23 | lehel | ./lib/modules/kernel/drivers/isdn/avmb1/fcpci.o: insmod fcpci failed |
| 15:08.35 | Gnea | you can get a card with 4 rj45 ports on it for under $50 these days |
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| 15:09.02 | simonrvn | i couldn't route anything to other than my /32 until i realised only 1 IP of my then /29 was actually getting traffic; i bugged my isp and then got the /29 (now /28) routed properly. i had a hell of a time trying to figure that out |
| 15:09.13 | bob2 | ah |
| 15:09.20 | lehel | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/kernel/drivers/isdn/avmb1/fcpci.o |
| 15:09.20 | Gnea | lehel: what kernel? |
| 15:09.27 | Gnea | hrm |
| 15:09.31 | Gnea | dunno much about isdn |
| 15:09.33 | lehel | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 15:09.40 | Gnea | i'm surprised isdn is still in use :) |
| 15:09.40 | simonrvn | (while we're sharing ;) |
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| 15:09.43 | Nostalbrie | Gnea, i probably can cough up 1 or 2 extra nic's without a problem atm, it's the hub/switch i don't feel like buying eheh |
| 15:09.55 | streuner | lehel: google for avmdsl.txt |
| 15:09.59 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: $10 easy :) |
| 15:10.08 | bob2 | isdn got really popular in germany for some reason |
| 15:10.13 | bob2 | whe nthe rest of the world was on modems |
| 15:10.25 | Nostalbrie | Gnea, huhu, that + finding the time to go and get it during exam period :) |
| 15:10.27 | Gnea | heh |
| 15:10.29 | Nostalbrie | oh well, let's buy it online eheh |
| 15:10.35 | Gnea | Nostalbrie: good point |
| 15:10.43 | Gnea | there ya go ;) |
| 15:10.59 | sypher | damnit |
| 15:11.04 | streuner | lehel: is the card only ISDN or DSL as well? |
| 15:11.12 | sypher | cant understand how to not match one thing with regex. |
| 15:11.53 | xoz | sypher: what command are you using for regex? perl? grep? sed? |
| 15:11.57 | cpop | do I need some special source for lame? is it not in the official repositories? |
| 15:12.01 | xoz | *commands* |
| 15:12.10 | bob2 | cpop: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:12.21 | bob2 | it's not in debian main because fraunhoffer are asses |
| 15:12.28 | lehel | Gnea: that is kinda deutsch |
| 15:12.35 | sypher | xoz, azureus |
| 15:12.43 | cpop | oh I see. found marillat repo with Google, thanks. |
| 15:12.55 | xiaogil | When I ran irssi, then i typed "/server irc.freenode.net", i get the followinf error msg : "No identd (auth) response", what can i do ? |
| 15:13.03 | bob2 | that's not an error |
| 15:13.03 | sypher | xoz, its simply a program that recognize regexpressions ... |
| 15:13.05 | Gnea | lehel: ah ok.. yeah, i never used isdn, you could try upgrading the kernel patch |
| 15:13.06 | JohnnyST | how do I specify what port to connect with ssh? like: ssh --port 22 192.168.2.2 |
| 15:13.12 | bob2 | xiaogil: it doesn't matter |
| 15:13.15 | sypher | xoz, so i have to put all into one single regexp. |
| 15:13.18 | bob2 | JohnnyST: ssh -p22 1.2... |
| 15:13.24 | streuner | lehel: its ok if you answer questions in english here... |
| 15:13.24 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 15:13.24 | Gnea | xiaogil: apt-get install gidentd |
| 15:13.33 | xiaogil | bob2: but then: it says time out |
| 15:13.43 | xiaogil | so that i can't use it |
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| 15:14.31 | lehel | Gnea: upgrade kernel-patch? kernel-patch-debian-2.4.27 not installed (dselect |
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| 15:15.39 | bob2 | xiaogil: do you have some sort of stupid "firewall"? |
| 15:15.54 | bob2 | that might be dropping packets on the floor instead of returning icmp rejects? |
| 15:15.56 | xiaogil | bob2: i don't know, perhaps |
| 15:15.59 | lehel | Gnea: i should install kernel-patch-debian-2.4.27 ? |
| 15:16.01 | bob2 | fix it |
| 15:16.07 | xoz | sypher: a+b-c :) |
| 15:16.08 | xiaogil | bob2: how? |
| 15:16.17 | simonrvn | i think once 2.6 hits .14 or .15 i'll install it on the still-running-2.4 box (it's a server, need it rock stable) |
| 15:16.29 | sypher | xoz are you for real? O_o |
| 15:16.45 | xoz | sypher: use a or b and not C |
| 15:16.45 | peterS | xiaogil: how should bob2 know? it's your firewall |
| 15:16.55 | xiaogil | How to know if I have a firewall ? |
| 15:17.02 | xoz | sypher: or a and b and not c |
| 15:17.09 | xiaogil | I have a NAT |
| 15:17.14 | xiaogil | i'm sure of that |
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| 15:17.28 | sypher | xoz, what the ? ^_^ is the "not" operator a valid thing in regex? |
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| 15:17.40 | peterS | xiaogil: is the NAT functioning as a firewall, dropping packets on the floor instead of returning ICMP rejects? that's what bob2 is asking. if it is, fix it |
| 15:17.53 | sewi | how to check what configure options a package is compiled with? |
| 15:17.59 | peterS | xiaogil: in linux iptables terms, he's saying use REJECT rather than DROP |
| 15:18.02 | xiaogil | peterS: i don't know |
| 15:18.06 | bob2 | sewi: download the source package and read the debian/rules file |
| 15:18.14 | simonrvn | sewi: apt-get source <package name> |
| 15:18.23 | simonrvn | then what bob2 said |
| 15:18.27 | lehel | Setting up kernel-patch-debian-2.4.27 (2.4.27-10) ... |
| 15:18.27 | lehel | shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 15:18.34 | lehel | <?? means? |
| 15:18.39 | simonrvn | ignore it |
| 15:18.42 | lehel | k |
| 15:18.43 | sewi | bob2, simonrvn: thanks |
| 15:19.02 | simonrvn | make sure you're in an existing dir next time ;) |
| 15:19.05 | xoz | sypher: usually [^c] means not c |
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| 15:19.11 | lehel | after kernel-patch is installed there is anything to do? |
| 15:19.54 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.14 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.35 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.39 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 15:21.37 | sypher | zox, ok thanks im gonna try that now ^_^ |
| 15:21.46 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 15:24.08 | Pappa | woo |
| 15:24.13 | Pappa | i won a trip to newcastle |
| 15:24.23 | petemc | upon tyne? |
| 15:24.30 | Pappa | dunno |
| 15:24.39 | Pappa | anywhere i guess |
| 15:24.56 | Pappa | i've never been to gb before |
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| 15:26.05 | Nexus | So how many days would you say is normal for a computer to go without getting at least one package that needs an update when you do apt-get upgrade? |
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| 15:26.28 | Ugot2BkidNme | Nexus how many packages you have on system? |
| 15:26.33 | Pappa | Nexus: if you don't do apt-get update first, forever ;) |
| 15:26.38 | Nexus | Pappa, :-P |
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| 15:26.47 | Nexus | They are a basic mail and web server, etc. |
| 15:27.25 | bob2 | Nexus: on sarge? |
| 15:27.27 | Ugot2BkidNme | could you define a basic? |
| 15:27.28 | bob2 | a few days |
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| 15:27.31 | Nexus | It's been about 5+ days since I installed them and they haven't needed an update since. Last time I saw this happen, I waited 2 weeks only to find out that something was broken in my apt, and I ran some command and suddenly there were quite a few. |
| 15:27.32 | jasoncohen | hey, anyone know how to control the theme gnome uses for kde apps? kcontrol has an option to use the KDE theme for gtk apps in KDE. can i do the same in gnome? |
| 15:27.37 | Nexus | bob2, Sarge, yes. |
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| 15:27.46 | bob2 | Nexus: sarge only gets security updates, remember |
| 15:27.59 | bob2 | Nexus: look on http://security.debian.org/ to see what updates have come out lately |
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| 15:29.26 | priest | does evolution only support that "mime gpg" standard? or is it posible to use the "original" pgp-standard to? |
| 15:30.04 | Nexus | bob2, I wish I could say I remember, but I didn't know it only receives security updates. Still kind of new to how debian does things. Stable releases only get security updates? |
| 15:30.17 | bob2 | Nexus: yup |
| 15:30.31 | bob2 | Nexus: and, theoretically, serious bug fixes, but in practice that only happens rarely |
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| 15:31.37 | Fanfoua | hi |
| 15:32.07 | pah | Does anybody know how to mount an netbsdpartition with linux? |
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| 15:33.30 | sewi | bob2, simonrvn: so if i want to recompile a package with other options, should I make some modification in debian/rules manully? |
| 15:33.35 | peterS | pah: man 8 mount, search for 'ufs'. there are various ufs options you may need |
| 15:33.47 | pah | peterS: thx :) |
| 15:34.19 | peterS | pah: ufstype=44bsd is the main one, I guess |
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| 15:35.44 | Nexus | bob2, Interesting. :) I learned something today. Now should my sources.list have sarge main on the end of them or something different? |
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| 15:36.38 | guevolt | how i kill a process? I tried use the killall process_name and kill -9 PID . But not worked. Why ? |
| 15:37.00 | asg | guevolt: it's either in IO wait or it's a zombie |
| 15:37.05 | pah | peterS: where should i put "ufstype=44bsd"? just afterwards doesn't work |
| 15:37.24 | peterS | pah: mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /dev/something /somewhere |
| 15:37.27 | guevolt | asg: then how i kill this ? |
| 15:37.39 | asg | guevolt: does ps show it as 'D' or 'Z' state? |
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| 15:37.44 | pah | peterS -o, thx :) |
| 15:37.56 | peterS | guevolt: if it's in IO wait, you can't, you have to wait for it to finish. if it's a zombie, you can't, you have to kill its parent process instead |
| 15:38.19 | pah | mhhh...doesn't work...wrong fs type, bad option,.... |
| 15:38.28 | sewi | I'm new to Debian and compiling a program seems to me a bit obscure. I get used to ./configure make checkinstall. Does checkinstall program makes enough good Debian packages for private use? |
| 15:38.40 | Ugot2BkidNme | !noob |
| 15:38.40 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 15:38.41 | guevolt | asg: yes.. i see D/D+ and Z/Z+ |
| 15:38.48 | peterS | pah: dunno then. netbsd *can* create a 44bsd ufs filesystem but maybe it also has other types it can do |
| 15:39.02 | asg | guevolt: then see what peterS said above |
| 15:39.03 | peterS | pah: you could try 'file - < /dev/whatever' to see what file thinks it is |
| 15:39.04 | cahoot | sewi: might want to read this: http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr/?page=debcustomize |
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| 15:39.16 | jsn | Hello |
| 15:39.27 | guevolt | peterS: How i discover the child process ? |
| 15:39.38 | pah | peterS: well, how do i discover it then? |
| 15:39.53 | peterS | pah: you could try 'file - < /dev/whatever' to see what file thinks it is |
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| 15:40.03 | sewi | cahoot, nice link, thanks |
| 15:40.33 | peterS | guevolt: the ps '-f' option shows parent process ID |
| 15:40.36 | Eulex | pah: replace whatever with a device, like hda1, hdb, sda2 etc |
| 15:40.40 | cahoot | sewi: fresh from dwn |
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| 15:41.18 | pah | eulex: of course :) |
| 15:41.18 | jsn | I think I found a serious bug, not listed in bugs.debian.org, but it is with the init.d scripts |
| 15:41.46 | peterS | jsn: that's the 'initscripts' package, unless it's an init script for a specific package, in which case it'll be contained in that package |
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| 15:42.02 | jsn | When I shutdown my sid/ppc box, postgresql calls /usr/share/postgtresql-common/init.d-scripts, but that asks for a password. |
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| 15:42.19 | jsn | s/-scripts/-functions |
| 15:42.36 | peterS | jsn: so, file a bug against postgresql-common |
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| 15:42.39 | bob2 | sewi: for privates ues, meh |
| 15:42.42 | jsn | Check. |
| 15:42.50 | bob2 | sewi: to change compilation options, yes, edit debian/tues |
| 15:42.52 | bob2 | er, rules |
| 15:42.57 | pah | hm... "file" gives me "DBase 3 data file" vor /dev/hda6 and says that /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda5 are boot sectors |
| 15:43.01 | bob2 | Nexus: sarge main is fine |
| 15:43.26 | peterS | pah: right, so it really has no clue what it is, is what you're saying |
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| 15:44.10 | pah | peterS: :/ bad... |
| 15:44.12 | peterS | pah: you can try mounting (read-only probably) without specifying ufstype. so, mount -t ufs -r /dev/hda6 /mnt |
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| 15:44.20 | peterS | the -r is short for -o ro |
| 15:44.27 | cddesjar | what is the command to configure X again? |
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| 15:44.42 | peterS | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:44.48 | cddesjar | thanks |
| 15:45.13 | guevolt | peterS: How do i kill this process: 21815 pts/3 D+ 0:00 dpkg -i xvncviewer_3.3.7-7_i386.deb . This is the parent process, right ? |
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| 15:45.38 | pah | peterS: hm...same error as before. |
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| 15:45.44 | Eulex | guevolt: kill 21815? |
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| 15:45.51 | peterS | guevolt: that's the IO wait state asg mentioned. you can't kill it, you can only wait for the kernel to finish doing whatever it is doing |
| 15:46.05 | peterS | Eulex: you missed his earlier question where he already tried that |
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| 15:46.41 | Eulex | peterS: oh... I just came back, sorry |
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| 15:47.27 | Darxus | is there an easy way to list which installed packages are not the same version currently available in the archives ? |
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| 15:47.40 | zucchi | .it |
| 15:47.58 | peterS | Darxus: simplest way I know is to run aptitude interactively. it categorizes the package list in this way |
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| 15:48.12 | guevolt | peterS: How many minutes i need(avarege) to the kernel make something ? What do i if the kernel not send the signal ? |
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| 15:48.25 | guevolt | peterS: i need wait |
| 15:48.27 | guevolt | hehe |
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| 15:48.40 | Darxus | peters: neat, thanks, haven't played with it much yet |
| 15:48.46 | mari | hello |
| 15:48.48 | Ugot2BkidNme | everryonce and a while my xmms sudenly stops and tells me that my sound device is not available is this common |
| 15:48.54 | Darxus | I wrote a script to do that ~3.5 years ago... |
| 15:48.57 | xoz | Darxus: feta to-upgrade |
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| 15:49.29 | peterS | guevolt: for something like dpkg -i I would expect you not to have to wait long at all, unless you're depending on the network, like an NFS-mounted filesystem. if you have to wait more than a few seconds it is probably a kernel bug |
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| 15:50.19 | Darxus | xoz: nah that doesn't do anything like what I want |
| 15:50.29 | Darxus | and aptitude's interface is kinda tedious for this |
| 15:51.33 | peterS | Darxus: then run aptitude from the command line. 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. when it lists the packages it intends to upgrade and asks if you want to do that, say no. |
| 15:51.35 | guevolt | peterS: have 2 hours that i'm waiting this shit of signal. hehe.. i have a network of 100mbs |
| 15:51.48 | Darxus | http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/ddowngrade/ - this is what I'm talking aobut |
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| 15:52.09 | Darxus | peters: no, that doesn't help at all with packages which I have installed but which have no installation candidate |
| 15:52.19 | Eulex | guevolt: kernel bug (?) |
| 15:52.20 | elllegao | status of gnome in sid? |
| 15:52.21 | Darxus | stuff that could be old, have major security bugs, and is nolonger supported |
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| 15:52.30 | [Sess] | I've been struggling with getting DRI working on my box for about a week now, I've got the ati rage mobility m3 agp 2x |
| 15:52.39 | guevolt | Eulex: good question |
| 15:52.39 | Eulex | elllegao, should be solved now, but has minor problems |
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| 15:52.41 | [Sess] | using the ati driver, it chooses the subdriver r128 |
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| 15:52.48 | sleon | where to get xorg from? |
| 15:52.54 | peterS | Darxus: full-screen aptitude can show *those* too |
| 15:52.55 | [Sess] | got apggart, intel_agp modules loaded as well |
| 15:52.58 | Eulex | sleon, why do you need it? |
| 15:53.01 | peterS | !topicsmite sleon |
| 15:53.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sleon. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:53.05 | guevolt | Eulex: kernel: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 15:53.12 | Darxus | peters: yah but the interface sucks |
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| 15:53.51 | Eulex | guevolt, you could try running a newer kernel... and does this happen regularly? |
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| 15:54.24 | guevolt | Eulex: no. This is the first time |
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| 15:54.58 | [Sess] | anyone have dri experience, I need some info |
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| 15:55.16 | Alver | My woody server upgraded to sarge lately... when doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, I get 252 packages "kept back". Is this normal, and if not, how do I fix it? |
| 15:55.17 | Ugot2BkidNme | I listen to mp3's via samba moutned network drive and every once and a while xmms stops and gives me the message the sound device is not available and then I can't play music for a couple minutes is this a common problem or did I set up somethign wrong? |
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| 15:55.35 | xsE | How do i tell apt-get not to install libc6 / remove it from the que? |
| 15:55.42 | Darxus | how come when I hit "g" on the obsolete packages in aptitude it only wants to uninstall 2 of the 24 listed packages ? |
| 15:55.43 | Eulex | alver: you need to do a dist-upgrade for those to be updated |
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| 15:55.49 | guevolt | peterS: shit.. do i will need reboot the server to fix this, right? is the unique solution ? |
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| 15:56.05 | Voodoo-Child | [Sess]: it's really hard get some video card working with it |
| 15:56.09 | peterS | guevolt: yes, you will |
| 15:56.09 | lehel | hello |
| 15:56.15 | lehel | pbx02:~# rmmod hisax_fcpcipnp |
| 15:56.15 | lehel | hisax_fcpcipnp: Device or resource busy |
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| 15:56.22 | Alver | Eulex: aha. Is that necessary - as in, will I be able to install security updates still? |
| 15:56.26 | lehel | i want to remove the module. |
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| 15:56.28 | Darxus | xse: echo "libc6 hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 15:56.31 | [Sess] | voodoo, the sad part is that I had it working with knoppix using the 2.4.27 kernel |
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| 15:56.47 | [Sess] | other limitations made me decide to up to pure debian |
| 15:56.54 | Eulex | alver: I (think) there are security updates on sarge |
| 15:56.55 | Ugot2BkidNme | Alver yes and right now your technically in limbo between woody and sarge |
| 15:57.03 | [Sess] | everything else works but DRI and hardware opengl |
| 15:57.09 | sleon | Eulex, i have very specific graficcard with bad drivers |
| 15:57.11 | xsE | Darxus: when i try to install a new packget it says i shall run apt-get -f install and -f install wants to install libc6 |
| 15:57.15 | [Sess] | which I need |
| 15:57.15 | sleon | Eulex, and they are only in xorg |
| 15:57.16 | guevolt | peterS: shit! this is remembering me the windows. hehe |
| 15:57.18 | xsE | Darxus: how do i clean this mess up? |
| 15:57.19 | Ugot2BkidNme | Eulex, SArge is stable of courtse there are security updates |
| 15:57.23 | sleon | Eulex, the good ones are in xorg |
| 15:57.27 | Voodoo-Child | [Sess]: I was unable to get it working even running it under 2.6 kernel |
| 15:57.31 | Alver | Eulex, Ugot2BkidNme: so as long as everything works, I don't have a reason to do the dist-upgrade? |
| 15:57.34 | peterS | guevolt: I know what you mean |
| 15:57.40 | simonrvn | xsdg: um, you *want* libc6 |
| 15:57.40 | Darxus | xse: your new package probably depends on the new version of libc6 and won't install without upgrading it |
| 15:57.45 | simonrvn | xsdg: sorry |
| 15:57.51 | Alver | The server is a bit old, and I don't want to put any more stress on it than absolutely necessary |
| 15:57.53 | Eulex | sleon: find an unofficial apt source |
| 15:57.56 | [Sess] | well, I didn't want to hear that |
| 15:57.57 | xsE | Darxus: so i shall install libc6? |
| 15:57.58 | Eulex | sleon: or compile yourself |
| 15:57.59 | [Sess] | :( |
| 15:58.07 | Ugot2BkidNme | Alver well technically no but if you wat nsecurity updates you probably want to go to sarge |
| 15:58.11 | sleon | Eulex, i think there are lots, but i want half official from debian |
| 15:58.13 | Alver | mhmmm |
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| 15:58.17 | Eulex | alver: no, you don't need sarge |
| 15:58.18 | sleon | Eulex, it is debian and not gentoo |
| 15:58.28 | Alver | o-kay |
| 15:58.28 | Voodoo-Child | [Sess]: the main problem is that dri is not fully developed for all card drivers, just for most know cards |
| 15:58.29 | Alver | heh |
| 15:58.29 | Eulex | !tell sleon about xorg |
| 15:58.42 | Darxus | xse: you should probably regularly be doing "aptitude update;aptitude dist-upgrade" to make sure you have the current versions of all packages to avoid security bugs, which would upgrade your libc6 as well |
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| 15:58.51 | Voodoo-Child | [Sess]: I meant "known" |
| 15:58.55 | simonrvn | Eulex: wtf. sarge is stable... |
| 15:58.57 | guevolt | peterS: by.. i will reboot the server.. |
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| 15:59.51 | [Sess] | voodoo-child: I do have a rage mobility m3, which uses the rage 128 chipset, that has to be the most common chipset from the mid to late 90's era of common desktops and laptops |
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| 16:00.14 | Alver | mmm... |
| 16:00.45 | Alver | remind me not to shake hands with you, asg |
| 16:00.50 | Alver | :) |
| 16:01.16 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 16:01.17 | asg | ah, now that's nice |
| 16:01.22 | Alver | yay |
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| 16:02.35 | xsE | E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true |
| 16:02.39 | xsE | how do fix that? |
| 16:02.45 | Ugot2BkidNme | Eulex do you recomend people still run potato |
| 16:03.04 | simonrvn | Alver: wtf. they're available, period. |
| 16:03.04 | Eulex | Ugot2BkidNme: no, why? |
| 16:03.07 | Voodoo-Child | [Sess]: I had that problem with an S3 Unichrome, until I gave up |
| 16:03.25 | simonrvn | you have them in sources.list, they're there |
| 16:03.30 | Eulex | alver: both |
| 16:03.39 | simonrvn | just make sure update and upgrade... |
| 16:03.51 | simonrvn | sure you* |
| 16:03.59 | Ugot2BkidNme | Alver don't believe what we say read here for yourself http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050602 |
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| 16:04.05 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:04.06 | Voodoo-Child | If your card is a wel known card, perhaps you are probably doing something wrong |
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| 16:04.42 | Alver | simonrvn: I do update and upgrade daily, but loads of packages are being kept back until I dist-upgrade. I thought perhaps I wouldn't be able to install security updates for sarge until I actually dist-upgrade to sarge too. |
| 16:05.05 | Eulex | Ugot2BkidNme: oooh, I seem to have been wrong |
| 16:05.21 | [Sess] | voodoo-child: well, I can't spot what Im doing wrong, that why I've come here to ask for a little assistance |
| 16:05.28 | [Sess] | anyhow, Im about to try Gatos again |
| 16:05.36 | [Sess] | I tried that with gentoo but failed miserably |
| 16:05.37 | Ugot2BkidNme | Alver things can break on upgrade if you have custom set-ups so just be ready and prepared to upgrade |
| 16:05.38 | [Sess] | Xorg sucks |
| 16:05.51 | simonrvn | Alver: then do so |
| 16:05.53 | Voodoo-Child | [Sess]: did you see your card working with dri in the past? |
| 16:06.06 | [Sess] | voodoo-child: it worked out of the box with knoppix |
| 16:06.12 | Alver | Ugot2BkidNme: it's a pretty basic ircd/ftpd/sshd, I don't expect (oo) many troubles |
| 16:06.20 | [Sess] | I would have stuck with that except I wanted pure debian |
| 16:06.20 | Eulex | Ugot2BkidNme: I remember that they wrote that they were still gonna have support for woody for a year, and then I assumed that they had security updates for that time... |
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| 16:06.26 | [Sess] | and there were many limitations to using the knoppix hd install |
| 16:06.27 | Ugot2BkidNme | Alver then why hesitate? |
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| 16:06.38 | simonrvn | nothing worse than a box without security updates than a box with, and not actually getting them |
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| 16:07.09 | Alver | Ugot2BkidNme: I have little to no experience with dist-upgrade :) never too old to get some, I guess. |
| 16:07.23 | Voodoo-Child | [Sess]: then you could take a look to Xf86config file of that in order to see how was it configured, It may aids you a lot |
| 16:07.23 | Ugot2BkidNme | Eulex how do you suppose Alver will get security updates wen his apt reads sarge |
| 16:07.36 | Fanfoua | i have two laptop with wifi pc-card installed, when i connect them to the internet it works well. Now I want to connect those two computers one to the other via wifi. So, I typed the command "sudo ifconfig eth1 down; sudo iwconfih eth1 mode ad-hoc essid pavi; sudo ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 up". The other computer on windows has detected the network I called "pavi". But it can't log on the http server that is the computer, why ? |
| 16:07.47 | simonrvn | [Sess]: hint: run knoppix, make sure dri is enabled, cp the xfree conf to some partition that you can retrieve it from, cp to fresh debian install, done |
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| 16:08.02 | Eulex | Ugot2BkidNme: sarge is stable... |
| 16:08.14 | clojster | do anyone know what could be the reason of radiusclient1 (or I don't know exactly what) not sending |
| 16:08.15 | xsE | E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true - How do i fix this? |
| 16:08.25 | Ugot2BkidNme | Alver apt-get dist-upgrade follow the commnads same as apt-get upgrade no difference really except it could break old packages however so just check for any possible problems before typing y |
| 16:08.34 | [Sess] | simonrvn: Ill try that |
| 16:08.46 | [Sess] | ok, Im gonna boot the livecd |
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| 16:08.53 | [Sess] | thanks gentlemen |
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| 16:08.57 | clojster | do anyone know what could be the reason of radiusclient1 (or I don't know exactly what) not sending User-Password not Chap-Password to freeradius request? |
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| 16:09.00 | Alver | Ugot2BkidNme: checking on that now. Seems like a load is getting removed |
| 16:09.02 | Ugot2BkidNme | Eulex yes but if he hasn;t dist upgrade and packges are being held back how can Alver get security updates for those |
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| 16:09.44 | Eulex | Ugot2BkidNme: well then he can't for those packages... but he can for the others that are not held back |
| 16:09.47 | Voodoo-Child | Sess: I know that ubuntu live cd works fine with hardware detection but it runs Xorg |
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| 16:10.27 | Ugot2BkidNme | Eulex exactly as I said if he wants security updates he probbaly wants to upgrade considering security updates will be held back as well won;t they |
| 16:10.34 | stouset | Quick question. I've got lots and lots of old email I want to archive to another mailbox so it doesn't cause my IMAP queries to be slow. I've started using archivemail, but it's not really suiting my needs (I think). I'm archiving them locally on my box, but I was hoping to be able to set up Evolution to use the folder where I'm keeping them as an "archive inbox" or something similar, so I could basically just have my IMAP folders archive |
| 16:10.35 | binaryc | how can i setup /usr/X11R6/bin/Bmodmap .................... rt |
| 16:10.38 | binaryc | to run at boot |
| 16:10.48 | Eulex | Ugot2BkidNme: yeah |
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| 16:10.55 | stouset | But since archivemail stores them as a bunch of mboxes, there's no way to organize them into one mailbox, much less into folders. |
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| 16:11.06 | Ugot2BkidNme | Eulex which is why I said he doesn;t have to upgrade jsut if he wants security updates he will |
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| 16:11.11 | Tooes | hi |
| 16:11.16 | Tooes | anyone use gotmail here ? |
| 16:11.20 | Eulex | Ugot2BkidNme: true |
| 16:11.24 | anymous | alien's manpage mentions pkginfo and pkgtrans tools are needed to create solaris pkg packages. where can I get them from? |
| 16:11.29 | binaryc | !poll |
| 16:11.29 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 16:11.30 | Eulex | !poll |
| 16:11.31 | Ugot2BkidNme | Tooes sounds like an AOL service |
| 16:11.44 | Alver | Jesus - perhaps it's not a bad thing to upgrade, now I actually get to see what kind of useless crap is installed there |
| 16:11.51 | Tooes | Ugot2BkidNme: nono it a soft for grab hotmail mail in command line |
| 16:12.07 | stouset | Is there any way to do what I'm trying to? :-) |
| 16:12.08 | Ugot2BkidNme | hotmail wow even better |
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| 16:12.20 | Eulex | tooes: eh? |
| 16:12.43 | Eulex | tooes: why use hotmail? wanna have a gmail invite? |
| 16:12.58 | Tooes | hi have an "Could not parse redirect location" when i start gotmail like usualy |
| 16:13.13 | Tooes | Eulex: it's not me but for some client |
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| 16:13.23 | Eulex | tooes: oh, ok |
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| 16:13.50 | Ugot2BkidNme | Tooes did you see if there is an update maybe hotmail changed how they login again for the 100th time |
| 16:14.02 | Eulex | hehe |
| 16:14.27 | Tooes | Ugot2BkidNme: i got the last version patched and all like i seen on sourceforge |
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| 16:16.10 | Ugot2BkidNme | so far my usage of linux(kde) as perminant desktop has been pretty smooth looks like I don;t need windows for anyhing but for terminal sessions to run windows only applications this is kinda nice I guess my outlook of linux for server only has changed considerably |
| 16:16.11 | hosiah | Success! (-: I now have a dual-boot Debian-Slackware system! |
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| 16:16.21 | Ugot2BkidNme | Tooes I dunno then |
| 16:16.40 | Tooes | Ugot2BkidNme: but perhaps you have a better solution for grab hotmail /msn mail ? :/ |
| 16:16.53 | stouset | hosiah: Ewww, Debian? |
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| 16:17.03 | stouset | hosiah: Who the hell uses Debian? |
| 16:17.07 | Ugot2BkidNme | Tooes nope sorry if I need it I just go via the web sorry |
| 16:17.19 | hosiah | stouset: why, am I slumming? |
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| 16:17.30 | simonrvn | drop hotmail like the crap and spyware it is |
| 16:17.35 | stouset | hosiah: All the cool kids use Gentoo, man! |
| 16:17.35 | Alver | Well... here I go |
| 16:17.40 | Alver | Hope I don't ruin too much :) |
| 16:17.41 | binaryc | stouset- i have a nice fdisk command that can fix your slackware problem : ) |
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| 16:17.54 | stouset | binaryc: I don't have a Slackware problem :-) |
| 16:17.56 | Tooes | Ugot2BkidNme: ty anyway |
| 16:18.06 | Ugot2BkidNme | Tooes although I do see a gotmail package in sid dunno if they have it on the cversion you are runnign you might try the prepackaged one if they do |
| 16:18.16 | burd | just updated from woody to sarge, my mail system uses drac and now when i boot up it seems drac is starting before portmap and fails.. is there a way i can make drac wait to start until after portmap? |
| 16:18.21 | hosiah | I'm actually starting to dislike, for the first time, a system I've never tried, Gentoo, based on the userbase and actions of it's founder...and that's not like me |
| 16:18.30 | Ugot2BkidNme | Tooes try apt-cache search hotmail |
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| 16:18.54 | jair | I am trying to use rsync to copy a directory with a lot of files inside:[root@server1 user2]# rsync -avSP user1@192.168.1.63:/home/user2/ /home/user1/server1_rsync |
| 16:19.18 | Eulex | stouset: if so -- please go to #gentoo |
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| 16:19.24 | doleyb | hosiah: i dislike winxp for the same motivation |
| 16:19.40 | jair | If i try the smae command with a file (e.g foo.jpg) the picture get transfered with not error |
| 16:19.56 | hosiah | lol, doley, of *course* I hate Win-duhs, but I tried that one |
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| 16:19.59 | Ugot2BkidNme | doleyb I love windows it's just a shame it's not open source |
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| 16:20.28 | binaryc | Ugot2BidNme: open source windows, as if it's millions of holes arn't exploited enough ! |
| 16:20.32 | jair | but if I try the directory "foo" where inside I have lott of jpg I am getting this error--> rsync: link_stat "/home/user2/." failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 16:20.32 | jair | 0 files to consider |
| 16:20.43 | berzerka | hello guys, i have upgraded to etch and now i am experiencing some strange problems with my fonts. my blackbox stylefile (which i converted using bstyleconvert) broke. it used the font alias 'fixed' for all fonts. when i loaded it, the fonts were extremely small and looked ugly, and blackbox told me: 'couldn't load font Bitstream Vera Sans-9'. but when i replace fixed with exactly that, it seems to work perfectly. |
| 16:20.49 | hosiah | but, boy, the buzz that's been going around...anybody gotten curious enough to try that new Solaris, yet? |
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| 16:20.55 | Ugot2BkidNme | binaryc that may be true but it is a far more mature desktop enviroment |
| 16:21.08 | stouset | Eulex: It was a joke =P |
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| 16:21.20 | maher | jair: what exactly do youtype |
| 16:21.20 | haakonn_ | i have an ext2 image file i'm trying to mount with 'mount -o myfile /some/dir', but that gives me "mount: Could not find any loop device." losetup says things like "loop: can't open device /dev/loop0: No such device or address", although /dev/loop* exist. i have no loop module, is that's what's missing? how can i tell if it's built into the kernel? |
| 16:21.26 | Overand | there don't seem to be any good lists out there of unusual video modes supported by the VGA=0x432 (etc) boot paramater |
| 16:21.31 | Overand | anyone got any ideas? |
| 16:21.37 | binaryc | Ugot2BkidNme- maturity comes with progress not with age |
| 16:21.57 | maher | haakonn_: try ifup lo |
| 16:22.00 | jair | maher [root@server1 user2]# rsync -avSP user1@192.168.1.63:/home/user2/ /home/user1/server1_rsync |
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| 16:22.03 | Ugot2BkidNme | binaryc your telling me windows User interface has not progressed? |
| 16:22.10 | gtigene | What is GRUB error 15, or where can I look it up? |
| 16:22.15 | hosiah | Overland...uh, I always consider 640x480 VGA to be safest |
| 16:22.17 | Overand | Ugot2BkidNme, binaryc, why bother? |
| 16:22.19 | brandon | Has anyone found how to fix Mutt when upgrading stable, so that it prints an N's next to maildir folders with new unread messages in them, when changing foldiers via 'c?' I've verified with 2 others that this is a common problem with the upgrade. |
| 16:22.19 | jair | maher, I am trying to back up my home directory |
| 16:22.23 | haakonn_ | maher: have, it gives me "ifup: interface lo already configured" |
| 16:22.29 | maher | jair: and what is the exact error |
| 16:22.30 | jair | maher /home/jair |
| 16:22.31 | berzerka | bbkeys is still giving the same error about bitstream vera, although i put a '*font: bitstream vera sans-9' in blackboxrc. anyone an idea what could be the problem? |
| 16:22.35 | Overand | hosiah: and on an LCD, i don't consider any non-native resolutions to be 'fair' |
| 16:22.46 | maher | haakonn_: you need mount -o loop |
| 16:22.51 | jair | maher but if I try the directory "foo" where inside I have lott of jpg I am getting this error--> rsync: link_stat "/home/user2/." failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 16:22.58 | Overand | hosiah: not to mention the fact that the screen real-estate for text is totally limited at 640x480 |
| 16:23.04 | haakonn_ | maher: i've tried mounting the file with mount -o loop |
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| 16:23.12 | hosiah | OK, Overland, it's over my head, then, sorry! |
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| 16:23.25 | Ugot2BkidNme | Overand true just don't like people playign the M$ suxors ticket rather then making a valid point |
| 16:23.30 | maher | jair: paste exactly what you type |
| 16:23.39 | jair | maher, I did it |
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| 16:23.53 | Eulex | Overand: those modes are vesa vbe modes + 512 |
| 16:23.54 | maher | jair: user1? |
| 16:23.54 | jair | maher [root@server1 user2]# rsync -avSP user1@192.168.1.63:/home/user2/ /home/user1/server1_rsync |
| 16:23.57 | jair | yes |
| 16:24.04 | Overand | Eulex: can you elaborate? |
| 16:24.09 | hosiah | You know you've found a happening distro when the chat for it never stops scrolling! |
| 16:24.17 | maher | jair: what about /home/jair? |
| 16:24.17 | jair | maher, this are test machines at my job |
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| 16:24.24 | jair | ohhh sorry |
| 16:24.26 | Overand | Ugot2BkidNme: OSS and MS and other proprietary developers steal UI design from each other relentlessly. that's just how it is |
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| 16:24.31 | jair | /home/user2 |
| 16:24.34 | Overand | leave it at athat |
| 16:24.38 | maher | haakonn_: did you compile this kernel yourself |
| 16:24.42 | jair | maher /home/user2 |
| 16:24.50 | Eulex | !tell Overand about vesa |
| 16:25.01 | haakonn_ | maher: no, it's a server, i think the hosting company compiled it themselves (it's a sarge box with 2.6.10) |
| 16:25.03 | binaryc | hosiah: no it stops at 3 am Us time when everyone takes a break to smoke and make cofee |
| 16:25.07 | Overand | maher: I know what VESA is |
| 16:25.14 | hosiah | lol |
| 16:25.23 | maher | jair: sorrrry - what is the error again? |
| 16:25.23 | Eulex | Overand, the modes you can set depends on what vesa vbe modes your gfx card supports |
| 16:25.27 | jair | maher, this is the thing I just need to know the comamnd to rsync the /home/user2 to a remote machine /home/user1/server1_rsync |
| 16:25.31 | Overand | However I don't have a magical table of VESA 2.0 modes and their associated resolutions |
| 16:25.34 | jair | maher, ok |
| 16:25.36 | Overand | Eulex: I'm aware |
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| 16:25.43 | jair | maher, are you serius? |
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| 16:25.44 | Overand | Eulex: i think you're missing my point |
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| 16:25.56 | Eulex | Overand, it may not support odd modes, like widescreen ones |
| 16:25.59 | jair | maher but if I try the directory "foo" where inside I have lott of jpg I am getting this error--> rsync: link_stat "/home/user2/." failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 16:26.13 | Overand | Eulex: I know how to change it to the 'normal' resolutions. And it does support weird resolutions, I founda guide somewhere with an entry for 1400x1050 |
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| 16:26.26 | Overand | (common on some laptops) |
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| 16:27.12 | maher | jair: rsync -avSP user1@192.168.1.63:/home/user2/ /home/user1/server1_rsync <-- what error does that produce? |
| 16:27.14 | Eulex | overand: I said "may not"... |
| 16:27.28 | Eulex | Overand, it depends 100% on the gfx card |
| 16:27.35 | jair | maher, ok |
| 16:27.37 | jair | hold on |
| 16:28.18 | jair | receiving file list ... |
| 16:28.18 | jair | rsync: link_stat "/home/user2/." failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 16:28.18 | jair | 0 files to consider |
| 16:28.34 | Overand | Eulex: but the modes seem to be universal for all these cards, at least for the 'mostly' standard resolutions |
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| 16:29.05 | maher | do you have a dir called /home/user2 on the remote machine? |
| 16:29.10 | jair | receiving file list ... rsync: link_stat "/home/user2/." failed: No such file or directory (2) 0 files to consider |
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| 16:29.22 | jair | maher, nope |
| 16:29.26 | Eulex | Overand: ok... but there's no "standard" for it... just the most standard 4:3 modes are in the standard |
| 16:29.28 | Overand | "vga=834" is apparently 1400x1050, but i need (want) 1920x1200 |
| 16:29.30 | jair | maher, that is the local machine home dir |
| 16:29.33 | Overand | Eulex: Ok, I see. |
| 16:29.50 | maher | haakonn_: look for kernel/drivers/block/loop.ko in /lib/modules/kernelname |
| 16:29.52 | Eulex | Overand, meant most usual 4:3 modes |
| 16:29.59 | jair | maher, but in the remote one I have a /home/user1/server1_rsync |
| 16:30.10 | Overand | Eulex: any reccomendations on finding a list of possible supported modes on any given video chipset? |
| 16:30.21 | haakonn_ | maher: no loop.ko |
| 16:30.25 | maher | jair: its rsync from to |
| 16:30.31 | Overand | or, rather, any supported modes using vesa framebuffer/console |
| 16:30.44 | haakonn_ | i found the .config file though, no loop mentioned |
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| 16:30.47 | Eulex | Overand: I know that it's possible... it's in the standard... but I don't know any linux program that does it |
| 16:30.50 | gpm | hey, i'm having some trouble with firewire. my card shows up in lspci and the driver seems to have loaded (according to dmesg), but when i plug in a device, absolutely nothing shows up in /var/log/messages ... is it bad hardware or did i miss a step? |
| 16:30.55 | jair | maher, I am doing rsync from the computer that have /home/user2 |
| 16:30.56 | fschulte | i try to get net working for uml with a bridge on the host and have the following problem when doing ifup tun0 i get "Don't seem to be have all the variables for tun0/inet.\nFailed to bring up tun0." do you have any advice how to bring up tun a interface? |
| 16:31.00 | maher | haakonn_: that's unfortunate - is there a kernel config in /boot? |
| 16:31.26 | jair | maher, I want to transfer a copy of the /home/user2 to the remote machine. |
| 16:31.26 | bob2 | gpm: do you have hotplug installed? |
| 16:31.35 | gpm | bob2: yes |
| 16:31.41 | jair | maher, back up but it is a directory with a lot of files on it |
| 16:31.44 | haakonn_ | maher: no, but i found the .config used in /usr/local/src |
| 16:31.45 | bob2 | gpm: does dmesg show the card being found? |
| 16:32.08 | maher | jair dont you want rsync /home/user2 user@remote:whatever then? |
| 16:32.25 | jair | ohhh |
| 16:32.27 | jair | ok |
| 16:32.30 | arafat | hi all! is there are possibility to start a script before resuming from hibernate (between the first kernel boot messages and the resuming from the swap partition)? I need to start the patch to get a proper resolution because of my graphic card (intel i855)! |
| 16:32.31 | Eulex | Overand, I once wrote a dos program that searched for those modes... but I dunno how to access vesa (real mode interrupts) in linux... |
| 16:32.34 | jair | maher, let me try that |
| 16:32.34 | Overand | Eulex: this is probably the kind of thing you could do with |
| 16:32.39 | Overand | yeah |
| 16:32.43 | Overand | hm |
| 16:32.43 | gpm | bob2: ohci1394: fw-host0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (PCI): IRQ=[22] MMIO=[df041000-df0417ff] Max Packet=[2048] (?) |
| 16:32.44 | maher | haakonn_: grep -i loop configfile |
| 16:32.49 | bob2 | gpm: hm, ok |
| 16:32.52 | haakonn_ | maher: no hits |
| 16:32.54 | Overand | i wonder if any of this stuff is visible in /proc |
| 16:32.55 | Overand | i doubt it |
| 16:33.00 | jair | maher, ok |
| 16:33.02 | bob2 | gpm: does anything new appear in dmesg when you plug something? |
| 16:33.06 | maher | haakonn_: they forgot to compile the loopback device |
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| 16:33.07 | jair | maher, let me try |
| 16:33.16 | haakonn_ | maher: oh except CONFIG_CC_ALIGN_LOOPS=0 |
| 16:33.31 | RainbowW | i don't understand why dselect is showing only installed packages, not not-installed-but-available packages. what gives? |
| 16:33.36 | maher | haakonn_: you want CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m/y |
| 16:33.45 | haakonn_ | damn, looks like i'll have to compile my own kernel remotely then :/ what a game of chance |
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| 16:33.53 | gpm | bob2: yeah, hold on, let me paster it |
| 16:33.55 | haakonn_ | maher: ok, thanks a lot |
| 16:34.04 | RainbowW | haakonn_: live life on the edge. |
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| 16:34.05 | maher | haakonn_: not fun - start with their config and do make old config |
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| 16:34.25 | haakonn_ | maher: yeah, that's the plan. i hope i get the grub stuff right though |
| 16:34.44 | Eulex | do anyone know if it's possible to access real mode interrupts in linux? |
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| 16:34.48 | gpm | bob2: http://channels.debian.net/paste/227 |
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| 16:35.34 | bob2 | Eulex: #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:35.42 | jair | maher, [root@server1 user2]# rsync /home/user2 user1@192.168.168.63:/home/user1/server1_rsync |
| 16:35.42 | jair | Password: |
| 16:35.42 | jair | skipping directory /home/user2 |
| 16:35.46 | bob2 | I'm not even sure what that means |
| 16:35.46 | Eulex | bob2: thanks |
| 16:35.54 | bob2 | jair: presumably you want -r in there |
| 16:35.59 | Overand | Eulex: i'll follow you there |
| 16:36.00 | jair | maher, why I get that? |
| 16:36.00 | Overand | =] |
| 16:36.07 | jair | bob2, where? |
| 16:36.07 | Eulex | Overand: ok |
| 16:36.14 | bob2 | jair: rsync -r ... |
| 16:36.21 | jethro | arafat: presumably you also want to read man rsync |
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| 16:36.32 | jethro | s/arafat/jair/ |
| 16:36.40 | jair | ohhh let me try, that is why is giving me the skyippin directory |
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| 16:36.45 | gpm | bob2: did you say you don't know what my error means? |
| 16:36.46 | jair | hahaha |
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| 16:37.08 | Overand | Eulex: VGA=ASK *might* help with this but I get the feeling it's not going to list a lot of good options |
| 16:37.12 | bob2 | gpm: I don't think it's an error |
| 16:37.17 | xsE | Is it possibel to make a partion bigger.. I mean take space from one partion and take it over to another?... |
| 16:37.19 | bob2 | gpm: but I don't have any suggestions, sorry |
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| 16:37.26 | bob2 | xsE: depends on the filesystem type |
| 16:37.27 | Overand | xsE: google gnuparted |
| 16:37.30 | jair | bob2, nope |
| 16:37.33 | haakonn_ | maher: wait, i have the source used for the current kernel, i can just edit .config and build the loop module, right? just 'make modules', or something else? |
| 16:37.41 | xsE | bob2: meaning? |
| 16:37.46 | Overand | xsE: be aware that this can cause catastrophic data loss |
| 16:38.02 | bob2 | xsE: meaning, it depends on the filesystem type |
| 16:38.05 | gpm | bob2: well, i'll google the message and see what comes up. thanks anyway |
| 16:38.10 | xsE | Overand: its because my / root partion is only 250MB |
| 16:38.11 | bob2 | so tell us what type it is and we can give ytou a specific answer |
| 16:38.18 | jair | bob2, [root@server1 user2]# rsync -r /home/user2/ user1@192.168.168.63:/home/user1/server1_rsync |
| 16:38.18 | jair | Password: |
| 16:38.18 | jair | skipping non-regular file ".DCOPserver_server1.localdomain_:0" |
| 16:38.21 | mhall | I was looking at the source code for GAWK, and it seems like it's not commented very well. I've noticed the same issue in other GNU utilities as well. Is this a problem other people have also, or am I just expecting more verbose code than UNIX programmers will write? |
| 16:38.49 | asg | mhall: you should look at djb's code ;) |
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| 16:39.05 | mhall | asg: What is it like? I have not used their stuff. |
| 16:39.09 | xsE | bob2: Debian amd64 and the partions is reiserfs. |
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| 16:39.20 | paulswm | !!spellsmite jethro |
| 16:39.23 | paulswm | !spellsmite jethro |
| 16:39.24 | dpkg | jethro: You have horrific spelling skills. |
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| 16:39.35 | mhall | paulswm: ironic you could not spell the smite right |
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| 16:39.42 | jair | maher, all I am trying to do is: from the user2 machine copy the home directory "/home/jair/" on a remote machine user1 on the directory /home/user1/server1_rsync |
| 16:39.44 | flammi | hello |
| 16:39.48 | bob2 | I wouldn't trust reiser to resize |
| 16:39.51 | haakonn_ | maher! i pine for you |
| 16:39.53 | bob2 | but they claim it will work |
| 16:39.58 | Madeye | hey, I want to setup crontab to run every 30minutes is it * */2 * * * command? |
| 16:40.01 | jtmakino | hi all! I wanna know if someone here have experience on suing ASTERISK |
| 16:40.07 | jair | how hard can be that I just need to understand how to tranfer a directory |
| 16:40.08 | bob2 | Madeye: pick one question |
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| 16:40.10 | paulswm | mhall: I spelled it correctly! Just and extra exclemation is all! |
| 16:40.10 | mhall | Madeye: man crontab |
| 16:40.11 | bob2 | Madeye: er, channel |
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| 16:40.14 | paulswm | heh |
| 16:40.17 | paulswm | s/and/an/ |
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| 16:40.20 | bob2 | Madeye: after reading the crontab man page |
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| 16:40.24 | xsE | bob2: soo what to do.. |
| 16:40.26 | mhall | paulswm: lol |
| 16:40.37 | bob2 | xsE: back everything up, install parted, go for it |
| 16:40.39 | jair | bob2, all I am trying to do is: from the user2 machine copy the home directory "/home/user2/" on a remote machine user1 on the directory /home/user1/server1_rsync |
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| 16:40.56 | Eulex | Overand: sorry, got a telephone call |
| 16:40.56 | mhall | !tell jair about repeat |
| 16:41.13 | Eulex | Overand: afaik VGA=ASK just asks for a number... |
| 16:41.21 | bob2 | jair: rsync -a /home/user2/ remote:/home/user1/server1_rsync/ |
| 16:41.22 | asg | mhall: no comments, terse C code, make sure you have ctags installed :) |
| 16:41.35 | mhall | asg: ouch |
| 16:41.41 | jtmakino | ALL - someone here know how to ASTERISK? |
| 16:41.47 | bob2 | Madeye: and, from reading the manpage /N = every N hours |
| 16:41.50 | jethro | jair: man rsync /USAGE |
| 16:41.52 | asg | jtmakino: Shift+8 |
| 16:41.56 | mhall | asg: terse uncommented C in network services is a Bad Thing |
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| 16:42.01 | jair | bob2, actually works but I did not notice what command was? |
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| 16:42.11 | asg | mhall: true. |
| 16:42.14 | bob2 | jtmakino: asterisk is really not something you can use when you have no clue |
| 16:42.17 | mhall | asg: using C in network services at all is bad |
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| 16:42.33 | asg | mhall: what would you use instead? |
| 16:42.45 | mhall | asg: though perhaps if they obfuscate the code badly enough, the hackers won't be able to understand it well enough to find the overflows |
| 16:42.46 | lehel | people i want to unload module hisax!! cannot Device or resource busy .. non-stop |
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| 16:43.00 | lehel | howto unbusy?:) |
| 16:43.05 | mhall | asg: the number one feature I use in C++ is the STL string library |
| 16:43.06 | paulswm | being dumb, I always write comments before the C code, so it ends up being documented in advance |
| 16:43.13 | jair | bob2, [root@server1 user2]# rsync -r /home/user2/ user1@192.168.168.63:/home/user1/server1_rsync |
| 16:43.18 | mhall | asg: but I don't write network services (yet). |
| 16:43.27 | bob2 | jair: I don't understand you |
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| 16:43.31 | jair | bob2, [root@server1 user2]# rsync -r /home/user2/ user1@192.168.168.63:/home/user1/server1_rsync "This one was the one that works" :) |
| 16:43.33 | jtmakino | bob2: ok . I just installed asterisk on debian distribution and I wanna know how to start |
| 16:43.35 | bob2 | paulswm: being dumber, I write tests before, so I know whan I'm done |
| 16:43.47 | bob2 | jtmakino: go find a howto...their website is a good start |
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| 16:43.54 | zOap | what is the kernel version for sarge r1? and how can confirm that without having to rebooting and look at grub? |
| 16:44.02 | paulswm | mhall: "It was hard to write, so it should be hard to understand." :P |
| 16:44.04 | binaryc | this isn't a debian question but maybe someone can help me out or point me somewhere else, my sound is 6.1 and i have 6.1 speakers but my mp3s don't use the satalite speakers, is there a way to have xmms duplicate the right and left output onto the satalites, i know this is useless for real surround quality but it is better than having nothing come out of them |
| 16:44.14 | bob2 | zOap: there is no sarge r1, and sarge uses 2.6.8 |
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| 16:44.18 | idnar | zOap: uname -r will tell you the currently running kernel version |
| 16:44.18 | asg | mhall: agreed, well documented code is a must. However, obfuscation is not a security technique so it's better to keep it clean then *you* don't make silly mistakes. |
| 16:44.29 | mhall | asg: i know, it was a joke |
| 16:44.35 | asg | mhall: :) |
| 16:44.39 | jtmakino | bob2, ok... thanks |
| 16:44.39 | zOap | idnar, thank you |
| 16:44.48 | asg | xsE: just keep it in channel, I'm in and out |
| 16:44.49 | RainbowW | is there a way to uninstall exim and leave no mta installed, but still have mail_transport_agent registered as installed? |
| 16:45.00 | lehel | bob2: rmmod hisax... cannot.. non-stop busy :((, how to stop? |
| 16:45.03 | mhall | asg: but one thing i can safely say is that you won't find string overflows or format string vulnerabilities in my code |
| 16:45.12 | bob2 | lehel: I have no idea what that driver does |
| 16:45.17 | bob2 | RainbowW: apt-cache show equivs |
| 16:45.21 | mhall | asg: cause it doesn't use any of those things on an interface |
| 16:45.26 | bob2 | RainbowW: (but using qmail will still get you sent to hell) |
| 16:45.28 | peterS | RainbowW: simplest way is to replace it with nullmailer, which doesn't listen on port 25 and thus is pretty nearly equivalent to having no mta installed |
| 16:45.33 | paulswm | bob2: Yes, I am a believer in old fashioned stuff like test plans and expected results. If you don't know in advance what the results of your test should be, you're not testing - you're experimenting. |
| 16:45.42 | mhall | asg: the only C function i ever use is snprintf on static arrays to generate log messages |
| 16:45.43 | bob2 | hehe |
| 16:45.44 | lehel | bob2: how to remove that driver? |
| 16:45.46 | zOap | bob2, installed sarge r1 netinst today, it even says r1 in the file. and uname -r outputs 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 16:45.50 | bob2 | lehel: I have no idea what it is |
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| 16:45.56 | mhall | asg: sorry, the only C *string* function |
| 16:45.57 | bob2 | zOap: the default is indeed 2.4 |
| 16:46.03 | asg | mhall: yeah, djb doesn't trust the c library so rewrote the relevant parts he needed in his code. |
| 16:46.04 | peterS | RainbowW: the other way, as bob2 points out, is to create a dummy 'mail-transport-agent' package with equivs |
| 16:46.05 | bob2 | zOap: where did you download it from? |
| 16:46.17 | albo | i delete maillog, and then touch maillog, restarted sendmail, but sendmail isnt logging to it. |
| 16:46.17 | zOap | bob2, debian.org |
| 16:46.17 | bob2 | paulswm: testing in C is a pain in the ass, tho |
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| 16:46.47 | paulswm | bob2: No shit, especially if doing pointer arithmetic :) |
| 16:46.49 | lehel | bob2: it is necessary to know about it? |
| 16:46.55 | bob2 | lehel: yes |
| 16:46.58 | rich0rd | hello |
| 16:47.07 | bob2 | zOap: all I can see on debian.org is 3.1r0a |
| 16:47.13 | mhall | asg: I heard about that, but his rewritten printf is apparently buggy |
| 16:47.29 | rich0rd | i have a problem compiling uga agga (www.uga-agga.org) from source |
| 16:47.33 | asg | mhall: possibly, I'm not sure though. |
| 16:47.47 | deadcat | any easier to config software to stream than icecast and crappy ices? (= |
| 16:47.48 | flophouse | I'm having an issue with the 20050603 debian installer and a Dell Precision 380 |
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| 16:48.12 | rich0rd | the config script tells me that i don't have php installed |
| 16:48.12 | flophouse | Using 2.6 (needed for proper SATA support), the installer freezes on displaying the first menu |
| 16:48.39 | rich0rd | and i am sure i have, but i am not sure i the script wants a lib or the executeable |
| 16:48.41 | bob2 | flophouse: does "noapic" or "apic=off" as boot options help? |
| 16:48.50 | mhall | asg: i don't think you can trust anything that uses character arrays on user data |
| 16:48.58 | albo | i needed to restart syslogd |
| 16:48.58 | lehel | bob2: done!:)) it is an isdn card driver, i stopped isdnutils... and ok!!! thanks |
| 16:48.58 | flophouse | bob2: apic=off didn't help, I'll try noapic |
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| 16:49.13 | asg | mhall: *nod* |
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| 16:49.17 | bob2 | flophouse: nolapic is another one (sometimes you need some comination of the 3) |
| 16:49.18 | asg | !kill meetings |
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| 16:49.58 | fernandiyo | no hay nadie |
| 16:49.59 | lehel | yeaaaa |
| 16:50.08 | jair | thank you bob2 and maher |
| 16:50.08 | mhall | !mhallsmite asg's meeting |
| 16:50.10 | dpkg | Fuck asg's meeting. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 16:50.11 | jair | take care |
| 16:50.17 | jair | it works |
| 16:50.17 | flophouse | bob2: Yeah, noapic apic=off didn't work, trying lapic... |
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| 16:51.23 | flophouse | bob2: So, it's "expert26 noapic nolapic apic=off" and it still freezes on first prompt |
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| 16:51.57 | fschulte | does the 2.6 kernel need a /dev/tun0 device to get tun0 up? |
| 16:52.01 | Epod69 | hey, isnt esound suppose to take care of hardware mixing for you ? If I open two applications, such as totem and gnometris, if totem is player sound then gnometris stops and as soon as totem is done playing, gnometis starts again... Is this normal? Also, when trying to play a something in Rhythmbox, i get an error saying 'oss device /dev/dsp' is being in use by another program'. How can i... |
| 16:52.03 | Epod69 | ...fix this problem ? |
| 16:52.16 | takatumi | flophouse: acpi=noacpi? |
| 16:52.17 | bob2 | fschulte: /dev/net/tun is how it's done now, aiui |
| 16:52.32 | bob2 | Epod69: so, you need to configure them to use esd |
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| 16:52.46 | cddesjar | what's tun0? |
| 16:52.49 | flophouse | takatumi: I'll try it |
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| 16:53.22 | Epod69 | bob2, do i change something in the option menu or do i have to type something in command like audiowrapper ? |
| 16:53.38 | nunez | Are there any scripts that will convert enlightenment menus into fluxbox? |
| 16:53.39 | bob2 | gstreamer-properties to configure totem, I'd think |
| 16:53.46 | gtigene | What is the proper thing to put in /etc/hostname? (man 5 hostname does not tell me). Thanks. |
| 16:53.55 | flophouse | takatumi: No dice |
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| 16:54.30 | takatumi | flophouse: what's the last message you see? |
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| 16:55.08 | fschulte | bob2: can you tell me why ifup tun0 complains with "Don't seem to be have all the variables for tun0/inet." after tunctl successfully asigned the device? |
| 16:55.14 | gtigene | Is it like "myhost.mydomain.com"? |
| 16:55.22 | bob2 | gtigene: no, it's the hostname |
| 16:55.30 | xsE | Overand: No Implementation: Support for opening reiserfs file systems is not implemented yet. |
| 16:55.33 | bob2 | fschulte: I don't know, I set mine up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:55.36 | rich0rd | hmn, the config script tries to find a pho executeable, but is not able to, i have php4 installed, but which packages does a config script expect with AC_CHECK_PROG(PHP, php, php) |
| 16:55.44 | gtigene | bob2: not fqdn? |
| 16:55.50 | bob2 | gtigene: correct |
| 16:55.57 | gtigene | Thank you |
| 16:56.00 | xerophyte | my backspace is nto deleting does anybody knwo how can i make it delete ;) |
| 16:56.03 | bob2 | rich0rd: a) anything involving php4 at build time is doomed, b) php4-dev |
| 16:56.07 | xerophyte | its gives me random chars |
| 16:56.16 | gtigene | bob2: but then where do I put the domain? |
| 16:56.32 | Ungy | xerophyte this in X? |
| 16:56.40 | paulswm | relabel it "random char gen" (sorry, not helpful) |
| 16:56.43 | fschulte | bob2: /etc/interfaces has "iface tun0 inet static" "address 0.0.0.0" "tunctl_user fschultea" |
| 16:56.48 | bob2 | gtigene: /etc/hosts |
| 16:56.54 | xerophyte | Ungy, nope in the ssh shell |
| 16:57.02 | gtigene | bob2: thanks again |
| 16:57.13 | Ungy | xerophyte hell if I no then |
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| 16:57.30 | xsE | Is there a program to resize a reiserfs partion? |
| 16:57.56 | fschulte | bob2: i mean /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:57.57 | peterS | xsE: resize2fs, ext2resize, parted |
| 16:58.01 | paulswm | xerophyte: is it really random, or is it giving you something like '^?' for example? |
| 16:58.03 | peterS | xsE: pick yer poison |
| 16:58.04 | rich0rd | bob2: thx a lot |
| 16:58.17 | peterS | xsE: wait, I totally misread what you wrote. I don't know if parted operates on reiserfs or not |
| 16:58.19 | bob2 | fschulte: I don't know then, sorry; I only use it for tinc nowadays |
| 16:58.30 | bob2 | and I don't seem to have the config I used for nstx anymore |
| 16:58.32 | peterS | xsE: you can try it and it'll tell you if it doesn't |
| 16:58.37 | xsE | peterS: parted doesnt support reiserfs yet. |
| 16:58.39 | fschulte | bob2: thanks anyway |
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| 16:59.14 | xsE | peterS: "The resize2fs program will resize ext2 file systems. " |
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| 16:59.31 | peterS | xsE: right, I had a brain fart, thought you were asking about ext3 rather than reiserfs |
| 16:59.38 | fschulte | bob2: how should a interfaces file with tun look? |
| 16:59.57 | xsE | peterS: :). Well do you know a program to resize a reiserfs partition than?= ;) |
| 17:00.04 | bob2 | fschulte: #flood |
| 17:00.10 | arafat | is there a possibilty to start a little script(modifies vbios) from within lilo? is there a paramter option available? |
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| 17:00.16 | peterS | xsE: I'd check progsreiserfs and reiserfsprogs to see if either of them have such utilities |
| 17:00.20 | peterS | xsE: beyond that, no |
| 17:00.22 | fschulte | bob2: landed |
| 17:00.25 | bob2 | arafat: you can't run anything from in lilo |
| 17:00.30 | xsE | peterS: oki |
| 17:01.02 | bob2 | arafat: lilo runs before you can even access the hard disk |
| 17:01.17 | flophouse | takatumi: Last message is the expert menu in the new debian installer |
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| 17:01.31 | paulswm | xerophyte: the shell has to know what character you are going to send for erase. I'f it's expecting one and you send another, it isn't going to work. You can match them up by doing 'stty erase "^H"' to set it to control-H, for example (you would use whatever code your key generates). You might also be able to set what your ssh client sends in its config (you can do that with putty for instance) |
| 17:01.32 | Smiley` | hello brothers |
| 17:01.35 | Smiley` | can someone help me? |
| 17:01.46 | arafat | right...can i run a script before resuming from hibernation? |
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| 17:02.04 | arafat | i.e. before swap gets copied to ram |
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| 17:02.14 | bob2 | arafat: no |
| 17:02.24 | Smiley` | I need to update my apt-get |
| 17:02.28 | Smiley` | and i dont have hosting |
| 17:02.34 | Smiley` | it says there is errors |
| 17:02.39 | Smiley` | can someone help me pls? |
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| 17:04.40 | |buya | mmm... I've been looking for either unstable or sid on the non-us main server to no avail... |
| 17:04.45 | |buya | what's the deal with the changes... |
| 17:05.05 | |buya | what should I change the sources.list to? |
| 17:05.05 | fschulte | bob2: got it up. it seems that tun doesn't like address 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:05.12 | asg | |buya: /topic |
| 17:05.23 | bob2 | well, yeah, that's not so surprising ;) |
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| 17:05.55 | |buya | I read the topic... but I still don't understand (sorry). does it mean that it's so unstable that it's unavailable or what? |
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| 17:06.12 | Shun | hi |
| 17:06.13 | bob2 | no, it means things will break |
| 17:06.15 | Shun | someone help me please |
| 17:06.20 | bob2 | so don'yt use it if you can't handle it |
| 17:06.29 | ralf | why sid 'literally unstable?' |
| 17:06.37 | Pryon | Shun: put your head against the monitor and think about your problem. Our ESP is weak today. |
| 17:06.38 | |buya | bob2: the problem is I can't even find the tree... |
| 17:06.48 | asg | |buya: no, it means that since crypto is now in main, there is no need for non-us. non-us is still around for woody. Anything after that doesn't need it. |
| 17:06.50 | ralf | |buya: non-us is in main now |
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| 17:06.59 | paulswm | |buya: There is no longer any such thing as non-us, it's all in main |
| 17:07.02 | bob2 | ralf: sid is also called "unstable", and now it is actually unstable |
| 17:07.23 | ralf | yeah, but why 'literally'? |
| 17:07.30 | ralf | it is broken? |
| 17:07.32 | |buya | paulswm: tnx :) that will answer it |
| 17:07.35 | jethro | ralf: because some parts are broken |
| 17:07.42 | jethro | ralf: ie: gnome |
| 17:07.44 | |buya | ralf: that too ;) |
| 17:07.46 | Alver | sid usually isn't half as unstable as most "stable" releases of some other distros |
| 17:07.52 | Alver | apparently it is now, though |
| 17:07.53 | Alver | :) |
| 17:07.58 | ralf | mm, can I downgrade to etch :) |
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| 17:08.06 | paulswm | jethro: he's asking about non-us |
| 17:08.18 | paulswm | !beat jethro |
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| 17:08.30 | paulswm | :D |
| 17:08.32 | jethro | paulswm: I was refering to "ralf | yeah, but why 'literally'? \n ralf | it is broken?" |
| 17:08.48 | paulswm | jethro: Oh, my mistake then |
| 17:08.51 | paulswm | !beat me |
| 17:08.51 | jethro | :p |
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| 17:08.58 | jethro | !beer paulswm |
| 17:09.04 | paulswm | :D |
| 17:09.10 | |buya | hehe |
| 17:09.17 | jethro | let me beer you |
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| 17:09.39 | kart_ | !beer me |
| 17:10.09 | gtigene | etc/hosts should have an entry like "192.168.1.9 asterisk.gti.com" (for example)? |
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| 17:10.17 | kart_ | !beat me for not having Sarge yet.. |
| 17:10.30 | gtigene | For the local host |
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| 17:11.24 | ralf | !beat him because is stupid |
| 17:11.31 | ralf | lol |
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| 17:11.56 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 17:11.56 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 17:12.09 | hextor | theres so many ways to be stupid with a large stick |
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| 17:12.42 | RainbowW | http://pastebin.com/299965 is a log entry from apache. is this an incoming shareza/bittorrent probe? or is this some kind of bot strobing my system? |
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| 17:14.22 | Fanfoua | I need to link two laptops together via wifi. To do it, I tried to run the commands "sudo ifconfig eth1 down; sudo iwconfig eth1 mode ad-hoc channel 11 essid "pavi"; ifconfig eth1 192.168.x.0" on the two computers, but they still can't ping each other, it says Network unreachable. Why ? |
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| 17:14.47 | RainbowW | Fanfoua: 192.168.0.x |
| 17:15.00 | jello | Fanfoua: i don't see you bringing the interface up... |
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| 17:15.16 | Eulex | fanfoua: one must be in ad-hoc mode, one in managed |
| 17:15.16 | simonrvn | "http://www.google.ca/search?q=Shareaza+2.1.0.0&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial first hit: Download Shareaza 2.1.0.0 Now (3.15 MB). You will be automatically given a download" |
| 17:16.05 | Fanfoua | jello: yes, sorry, the last command is actually : ifconfig eth1 192.168.x.0 up |
| 17:16.11 | Eulex | overand: sorry, I don't know enough about linux kernel programming, and this seems to be pretty complicated... maybe I'll get back to it when I know more about the kernel |
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| 17:16.43 | waynegrow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.07 | Eulex | fanfoua: put one of them in managed mode, and one in ad-hoc mode |
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| 17:17.53 | Fanfoua | Eulex: i did it, but the result still is the same |
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| 17:18.24 | Eulex | fanfoua: what happens when you run iwlist scanning on the one which is in managed mode? |
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| 17:19.08 | Fanfoua | Eulex: it doesn't see the network "pavi" anymore |
| 17:19.16 | test | grr- why does ubuntu insist on upping versions of important packages so that software that should be able to run on debian can't. the gnome gui menu editor (smeg) is compiled against python 2.4 and some of the packages aren't in testing or sid |
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| 17:19.47 | bob2 | test: that's because of the other of smeg |
| 17:19.50 | bob2 | it has nothing to do with ubuntu |
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| 17:20.19 | test | ubuntu did the same thing with their ubuntu update tool |
| 17:20.40 | Eulex | fanfoua: sure you have the right parameters for your card? and that the driver supports ad-hoc? |
| 17:20.41 | test | it's compiled against python 2.4 and several 2.4 packages that aren't in debian |
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| 17:21.08 | peterS | test: ubuntu uses python 2.4 by default. this is something debian will probably do RSN, but could not before sarge was released |
| 17:21.19 | peterS | test: I don't see a problem with this - clearly the ubuntu people knew debian was planning to do this |
| 17:21.21 | Eulex | fanfoua: if you run iwconfig without parameters on the computer which is in ad-hoc mode, does the its status look ok? |
| 17:21.27 | bob2 | test: er, dh_python makes packages Depend on the current version of python |
| 17:21.36 | Fanfoua | Eulex: I don't know, but those two cards work well when used to log on the Internet |
| 17:22.04 | Eulex | fanfoua: that doesn't mean the drivar can do ad-hoc mode... check the docs |
| 17:22.08 | Eulex | *driver |
| 17:22.29 | Fanfoua | Eulex: yes, everything looks ok when running iwconfig |
| 17:22.47 | Eulex | fanfoua: then it's probably the driver or even the card |
| 17:22.58 | test | peterS, so, when that's done i should be able to use these packages? |
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| 17:23.14 | bob2 | you can do it now if you fix the Depends line |
| 17:23.15 | peterS | test: why do you want to use ubuntu packages in debian anyway? |
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| 17:23.18 | Eulex | fanfoua: the only things I have to do to make ad-hoc mdoe work is to set the essid and put the card into ad-hoc mode... and then it works |
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| 17:23.35 | jasoncohen | peterS, i just want smeg so i can edit my gnome menu |
| 17:23.57 | peterS | jasoncohen: probably just rebuild the package |
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| 17:24.32 | Fanfoua | Eulex: then, my problem looks more complicated, that's strange |
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| 17:24.41 | jasoncohen | i think it requires 2.4 because i downloaded the source package and installed it but i'm just getting errors when trying to run it |
| 17:25.04 | Seb | how do I find all files that don't have read permission for 'other', using GNU find ? |
| 17:25.09 | bob2 | that sounds more like you're building it wrong |
| 17:25.10 | jasoncohen | http://pastebin.ca/14646 |
| 17:25.18 | Seb | i can't seem to make sense out of the man page |
| 17:25.23 | ralf | Seb: man find |
| 17:25.28 | jasoncohen | bob2, the install instructions just say to run python setup.py install in the main dir |
| 17:25.29 | Seb | ralf: thanks man |
| 17:25.32 | bob2 | what a useful reply, ralf |
| 17:25.45 | Seb | ralf: you might as well not reply at all, ya know |
| 17:25.52 | bob2 | jasoncohen: smeg actually requires python 2.4, I think |
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| 17:26.03 | bob2 | bitch at amaranth, I've been complaining to him for weeks |
| 17:26.15 | bob2 | or maybe it just throws an exception on 2.3 |
| 17:26.16 | bob2 | I forget |
| 17:26.29 | ralf | bob2 in the man there is everithing, just take care of read it |
| 17:26.31 | dareth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.34 | xsE | peterS: lol there? |
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| 17:26.42 | ralf | attributes, size, permissions, etc.. |
| 17:26.48 | peterS | xsE: I'm probably around somewhere |
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| 17:27.19 | ralf | nobody here remember all the tools switches, everyone look at the man to know the exact syntax |
| 17:27.32 | gruad | Athlon XP users should install mplayer-k6 from marillat repo? |
| 17:27.37 | xsE | peterS: after i resized the /home partion with resize_reiserfs down from 40 GB to 20GB the space around to be found anywhere, i cant see the space in cfdisk to create a new partion |
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| 17:27.44 | bob2 | gruad: k7 |
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| 17:27.51 | bob2 | or 686 |
| 17:27.55 | bob2 | it doesn't matter that much |
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| 17:28.08 | gruad | bob2: thanks |
| 17:28.14 | concept10 | Anyone think that smeg could become an official part of gnome? |
| 17:28.17 | Avno_ | i dont know what to do..eth0 is failing to start and i really dont know why..someone can help a little? |
| 17:28.27 | flophouse | bob2: Well, I can install using the 2.4 installer, but when I install 2.6 it switches the drive names out from under me and screw up the boot process |
| 17:28.35 | bob2 | Avno_: whats changed since it last worked? |
| 17:28.50 | concept10 | It would be great to have smeg in the right-click menu |
| 17:29.20 | Avno_ | bob2 i've a new ISP ..but still nothing..i cant access to my router and it worked before |
| 17:29.28 | gruad | mplayer-k7 is not in the list of provides in the mplayer virtual package, though |
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| 17:29.35 | peterS | Seb: find .... ! -perm -g=r |
| 17:30.26 | ralf | Seb: you can use the -not operator with the -mode one |
| 17:30.39 | ralf | *-èerm |
| 17:30.43 | ralf | perm |
| 17:30.43 | peterS | xsE: resize_reiserfs resizes the filesystem, not the partition the filesystem is *on*. you have to resize the partition separately. you can do this with cfdisk - possibly by deleting and recreating it, taking care to put it in the same place as before. overestimate the space needed, slightly. then run resize_reiserfs again to make it fill out the exact space |
| 17:30.58 | Seb | peterS: yeah, ! -perm -o+r for me. I just figured it out... |
| 17:31.05 | Seb | peterS: thanks |
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| 17:36.25 | haakonn_ | well i have chrootet into a debian image and dist-upgraded it, but when i try to umount the image, it says it's busy. i've tried chrooting back in and stopping a lot of services, but it doesn't help. any ideas? |
| 17:36.53 | Avno_ | bob2 ? |
| 17:37.08 | bucky | haakonn_, 'exit' ? |
| 17:37.31 | haakonn_ | bucky: i use ctrl-d (same as exit i guess?) to exit from the jail |
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| 17:38.05 | haakonn_ | exit didn't help either, hm |
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| 17:38.22 | bucky | haakonn_, 'cd' ? |
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| 17:38.53 | haakonn_ | bucky: nope, i'm not standing in the way :) |
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| 17:39.07 | shizz | hi |
| 17:39.08 | haakonn_ | even umount -f won't do it |
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| 17:40.28 | fschulte | bob2: some feedback on tun, address 0.0.0.0 is ok for tun, but it wants a network and netmask. |
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| 17:40.41 | shingouz | haakonn_: how about lsof |
| 17:40.49 | pechitos | ppppppp |
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| 17:41.14 | fschulte | bob2: uml with network is such a fun :D |
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| 17:41.29 | haakonn_ | shingouz: ah, i was messing with fuser instead ... lsof seems to give some leads, thanks |
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| 17:42.08 | shingouz | haakonn_: the thing is that you cannot umount anything unless it is not in use |
| 17:42.22 | haakonn_ | shingouz: yeah |
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| 17:43.39 | eri-- | hello fuckers |
| 17:44.05 | pngwn | eri--, mom, is that you? |
| 17:44.14 | shingouz | eri--: and what the fuck can we do for you? |
| 17:44.44 | tictac | bah. wtf is up with this sarge installer (on dvd)? it's taking years to scan the cdrom |
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| 17:45.02 | dx11101 | maybe its a bad burn |
| 17:45.08 | fschulte | eri--: hello pussy |
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| 17:45.19 | bob2 | come on |
| 17:45.21 | eri-- | wow debian machos |
| 17:45.23 | eri-- | :P |
| 17:45.27 | dx11101 | remember its a huge cd with a crapload of packages |
| 17:45.30 | shingouz | tictac: the dvd has a *lot* of stuff on it |
| 17:45.32 | dx11101 | thousands of files |
| 17:45.39 | dx11101 | i mean dvd |
| 17:45.41 | tictac | shingouz: it shouldnt take 12+ hours... |
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| 17:45.46 | eri-- | i just got tired before and nobody of u pussys |
| 17:45.49 | schrankwand | HI, how can I find out wich directorys ara available on a smb-server? |
| 17:45.52 | shingouz | tictac: no, it should not. bad burn? |
| 17:45.55 | eri-- | told me what was the mouse device on debian |
| 17:46.03 | tictac | burning it again atm |
| 17:46.05 | bob2 | schrankwand: smbclient, or gnome |
| 17:46.06 | valdyn | tictac: some cdroms get quite slow once errors are found.. |
| 17:46.18 | dan2 | when are we going to be able to buy debian dvds in store? :) |
| 17:46.21 | quittt | why the hell I cant mix sounds? |
| 17:46.25 | quittt | I cant play Quake and listen to music |
| 17:46.29 | quittt | WHY THE HELL? |
| 17:46.32 | fschulte | eri--: maybe /dev/psaux |
| 17:46.33 | bob2 | quittt: get a better sound card |
| 17:46.35 | valdyn | quittt: why cant you? |
| 17:46.38 | bob2 | quittt: or configure them all to use esd |
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| 17:46.42 | fschulte | eri--: or /dev/mice |
| 17:46.50 | quittt | bob2, I dont have money |
| 17:46.50 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 17:46.50 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
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| 17:47.05 | quittt | I always try to configure this fucking dmix but it DOESNT work |
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| 17:47.10 | bob2 | quittt: then use dmix or esd |
| 17:47.12 | eri-- | fschulte: well that i was asking before and nobody answered me |
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| 17:47.15 | bob2 | right |
| 17:47.20 | bob2 | the alsa people produced a tool |
| 17:47.24 | bob2 | and told everyoen to use it |
| 17:47.29 | bob2 | but it doesn't actually do anything |
| 17:47.29 | tictac | yay for emu10k1 :P |
| 17:47.32 | bob2 | it's a giant conspiracy |
| 17:47.37 | eri-- | fschulte: i managed that myself |
| 17:47.45 | quittt | I am getting nervous with this fucking card |
| 17:47.47 | valdyn | quittt: quake uses oss, the 'default' alsa sound emulation method ( snd-pcm-oss module ), does *NOT* cooperate w/ dmix. |
| 17:47.58 | quittt | valdyn, yeah |
| 17:48.00 | quittt | I know that |
| 17:48.04 | quittt | is the salvation? |
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| 17:48.17 | valdyn | quittt: 'aoss quake' works |
| 17:48.20 | haakonn_ | shingouz: hm, lsof /mnt/loop shows nothing now, and still busy |
| 17:48.20 | eri-- | people, u have so shitty console, if u confront it with *BSD consoles |
| 17:48.21 | gtigene | When I say "mount 192.168.1.12:/root/tmp /root/ast3_tmp" it says "RPC: program not registered". This is a brand new Linux system. What could be wrong? |
| 17:48.33 | gtigene | I am trying to be nfs client |
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| 17:48.36 | jshoenberger | What effect does an underscore have on variables in bash scripting? |
| 17:48.39 | shingouz | haakonn_: are you chrooted into the image now? |
| 17:48.49 | Epod69 | hey, when running alsa player, i get the following error: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libsmooth.so", . alsaplayer still seems to work but this error messege doesnt look that nice, anyone know what package i can install which will install this module ? |
| 17:48.55 | mikaEL` | can I log into a win 98 box from my debian box using PuTTY ?? |
| 17:48.57 | haakonn_ | shingouz: i'm running lsof from outside the jail, but yes, i'm in now |
| 17:49.03 | quittt | valdyn, but how can I make it work with dmix? |
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| 17:49.10 | quittt | and how do I configure this shit? |
| 17:49.17 | schrankwand | bob2: i use smclient (and hate gnome) but how can I list the available folders on a server? |
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| 17:49.24 | shingouz | haakonn_: go into the console with the chroot and type 'exit', see if that helps a bit |
| 17:49.32 | haakonn_ | will do |
| 17:49.35 | Alver | Man... this woody to sarge upgrade takes ages. |
| 17:49.37 | eri-- | bob2: ok as u wish |
| 17:49.45 | quittt | man I am really nervous because of that because in other OSes(BeOS, QNX) I can listen to music and do other things that use sound, but Linux I CANT! |
| 17:49.47 | valdyn | quittt: pcm.dsp0 { \ type plug \ slave.pcm "dmixed-dsp500" \ } |
| 17:49.51 | eri-- | bob2: i stay cool as a pussy :P |
| 17:49.52 | Tak | Alver: you weren't expecting it to? |
| 17:49.54 | haakonn_ | shingouz: nah |
| 17:50.00 | valdyn | quittt: pcm.dsp0 is the alsa device aoss will use |
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| 17:50.02 | bob2 | I can't tell if youre stupid or annoying |
| 17:50.04 | quittt | valdyn, where I put? |
| 17:50.04 | KimHansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.26 | valdyn | quittt: ~/.asoundrc ( if you are about to copy this literally, then dont ) |
| 17:50.29 | LaTiNo_ | How can I create my own Nameservers on my server to point my domain name to them ? |
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| 17:50.31 | Alver | Tak: on a p100 with 40 megs ram... well, I was expecting months at least :) |
| 17:50.38 | bob2 | LaTiNo_: don't bother |
| 17:50.41 | shingouz | haakonn_: hmm. you sure you are not running anything in the chroot then? |
| 17:50.46 | Tak | Alver: still quicker than installing gentoo :-P |
| 17:50.49 | LaTiNo_ | bob2: :\ |
| 17:50.50 | quittt | valdyn, why not? |
| 17:51.05 | bob2 | LaTiNo_: why would you run your own nameserver? |
| 17:51.07 | haakonn_ | shingouz: i guess i'll have to hunt for more processes |
| 17:51.14 | valdyn | quittt: because i doubt you defined a device called "dmixed-dsp500" |
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| 17:51.21 | LaTiNo_ | bob2: To point my domain name to them? |
| 17:51.26 | Alver | Tak: anything is :) |
| 17:51.31 | bob2 | LaTiNo_: get your isp or your registrar to do it |
| 17:51.31 | shingouz | haakonn_: in the chrot, do a ps to see if you have something odd runnin gthere |
| 17:51.51 | LaTiNo_ | bob2: I dont have nameservers. Thats why I was asking :\ |
| 17:51.52 | gtigene | What could keep nfs client from working on a new Linux install? I am pretty sure the nfs server is working. |
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| 17:51.56 | haakonn_ | shingouz: hm, two counts of "bash", sounds like one too many :) |
| 17:52.08 | bob2 | LaTiNo_: your registrar will do it for free |
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| 17:52.20 | eeyore- | first time installing debian via debootstrap :-) fun |
| 17:52.22 | shingouz | haakonn_: it sure does. kill the other one. in chroot |
| 17:52.22 | quittt | valdyn, how do I configure it? |
| 17:52.25 | bob2 | gtigene: do you have a broken firewall? di you install portmap? |
| 17:52.27 | valdyn | quittt: get dmix to work w/ alsa first, and to understand the ~/.asoundrc syntax. then you can add a pcm.dsp0 trivially |
| 17:52.33 | shingouz | eeyore-: works? |
| 17:52.37 | LaTiNo_ | bbob2: What do you expect my registrar to point the domain name to ? |
| 17:52.42 | quittt | valdyn, then all apps will work? |
| 17:52.44 | haakonn_ | shingouz: hm, i did, then exited, then umount, and still busy. chroot back in, and there's two bashes |
| 17:52.47 | bob2 | LaTiNo_: ? |
| 17:52.48 | gtigene | bob2: Pretty sure no firewall. portmap is running. |
| 17:52.49 | eeyore- | is there any "interesting" gotchas i should watch out for, today, when installing "debootstrap sid ..." ? |
| 17:52.53 | eeyore- | shingouz: seems to |
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| 17:53.04 | bob2 | LaTiNo_: they run the nameserver, and point A records at whatever you want |
| 17:53.10 | bob2 | LaTiNo_: you run your own mail, web, whatever |
| 17:53.10 | gtigene | bob2: It says "RPC: Program not registered" |
| 17:53.24 | shizz | could someone explain why debian likes to keep my cdrom in the cdrom drive even when i press the eject button? |
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| 17:53.28 | LaTiNo_ | bob2: Cant I have my own nameservers ? |
| 17:53.31 | valdyn | quittt: no, not that easy unfortunately, since there is to many sound frameworks. quake can be gotten to output to alsa via aoss, different programs might need different 'tricks' or configuration to use alsa |
| 17:53.33 | haakonn_ | shingouz: ah, the other bash was from outside the jail |
| 17:53.40 | bob2 | LaTiNo_: of course you can, but why bother? |
| 17:53.43 | shingouz | haakonn_: oh |
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| 17:54.05 | valdyn | !tell quittt about dmix |
| 17:54.07 | bob2 | shizz: because it's mounted? |
| 17:54.10 | error403 | is there a such thing as a network interface monitor, kinda like 'netstat' but dynamic/continuously updating ? |
| 17:54.13 | shingouz | haakonn_: exit the chroot, do lsof |
| 17:54.17 | quittt | no sorry valdyn |
| 17:54.22 | quittt | this site is confusing |
| 17:54.26 | quittt | and doesnt show anything |
| 17:54.28 | valdyn | quittt: read what dpkg sais, get it to work, play multiple sounds via aplay at once, then come back. |
| 17:54.29 | LaTiNo_ | bob2: Alright Ill just ask you if i STILL need to run my own :p |
| 17:54.32 | Deffie | hi all, i' trying to use (debian woody) maildrop with postfix and virtual accounts, but maildrop accepts only $user and not $recipient, it is a build option or i can still solve this ? |
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| 17:54.50 | shizz | bob2, well it's in use, but the program in use tells me to insert the 2nd disc...but to no avail the cdrom will not open. |
| 17:55.05 | bob2 | shizz: where "program" = "windows software? |
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| 17:55.08 | haakonn_ | shingouz: lsof alone gives an insane long list, isn't lsof /mnt/loop better? |
| 17:55.13 | shizz | bob2, yes |
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| 17:55.19 | shizz | bob2, run under cedega |
| 17:55.23 | bob2 | shizz: copy the files to the hard disk |
| 17:55.24 | shingouz | haakonn_: i think so :) |
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| 17:55.33 | error403 | is there a such thing as a network interface monitor, kinda like 'netstat' but dynamic/continuously updating ? |
| 17:55.40 | shingouz | haakonn_: or pipe it through grep |
| 17:55.48 | shizz | bob2, yea i guess that'd be the better idea |
| 17:55.52 | valdyn | quittt: it does show a valid ~/.asoundrc for me, so put that text into that file.. |
| 17:55.54 | zinx | error403: yes |
| 17:56.04 | tarzeau | jethro, jharrisonwk, paulswm, takatumi bub n bros? |
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| 17:56.13 | relbs | what package has /usr/bin/aclocal? I can't find it anywhere... |
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| 17:56.26 | bob2 | relbs: automake-1.X |
| 17:56.32 | error403 | zinx, care to enlighten me? |
| 17:56.34 | error403 | please? |
| 17:56.39 | haakonn_ | shingouz: lsof | grep loop shows a couple of entries for loop0, hard for me to say what they mean :) |
| 17:56.39 | zinx | error403: try ntop |
| 17:56.43 | gruad | LaTiNo_: aptitude install bind9# |
| 17:56.51 | valdyn | error403: to monitor what? |
| 17:56.57 | shingouz | haakonn_: paste them in #flood |
| 17:57.05 | zinx | error403: but i'm sure there are others |
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| 17:57.15 | valdyn | haakonn_: man losetup |
| 17:57.16 | thoron | Is there somewhere good guide no how to install PHP on Apache2 on sarge. |
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| 17:57.19 | relbs | bob2: thanks! |
| 17:57.20 | LaTiNo_ | k |
| 17:57.32 | bob2 | thoron: install apache2. install libapache2-mod-php4. enjoy! |
| 17:57.33 | error403 | valdyn, i want to monitor connections to my computer, where they are coming from, and preferably what process |
| 17:57.39 | gtigene | bob2: portmap running, no firewall I think. But when I try to mount nfs file system it says "RPC: Program not registered" |
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| 17:57.54 | bob2 | gtigene: no idea, sorry; try asking on the debian-user list. |
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| 17:58.05 | valdyn | error403: ethereal |
| 17:58.07 | gtigene | bob2: thank you |
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| 17:58.16 | Spec | error403: netstat -anp|less |
| 17:58.21 | simonrvn | gtigene: sounds like nfsd isn't running |
| 17:58.29 | Spec | error403: that'll show you, if you run it as root, all the connections of programs/ports |
| 17:58.34 | valdyn | error403: that's quite a sophisticated tool, can do what you want ( and more ) |
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| 17:58.55 | error403 | valdyn, does it have a front-end |
| 17:59.03 | simonrvn | it is a frontend |
| 17:59.04 | haakonn_ | shingouz: YES! finally, umounting proc did it :) thanks a bill |
| 17:59.08 | valdyn | error403: its a gtk2 application |
| 17:59.09 | zinx | error403: it lacks a backend |
| 17:59.18 | Spec | that's a packet scanner/analyzer though |
| 17:59.19 | shingouz | haakonn_: yw :) |
| 17:59.20 | error403 | Spec, i know that will do that, but i need it constantly refreshing... |
| 17:59.22 | simonrvn | ethereal is gtk2, tethereal looks vaguely like tcpdump |
| 17:59.33 | gahan | who uses gnome? my shutdown/turn off ability disappeared! wtf? i can only logout, i cant even turnoff/halt from gdm. sure i can type sudo halt etc. but my daddy can not :) help!:) |
| 17:59.41 | Deffie | 07:59:31 [root@spawn]:/etc/maildrop# maildrop -V 9 -d admin@nectarine.info |
| 17:59.41 | Deffie | maildrop: Invalid user specified. |
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| 18:00.03 | Deffie | *ops* |
| 18:00.03 | simonrvn | gahan: add 'your daddy' to sudoers? |
| 18:00.06 | Deffie | wrong window :P |
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| 18:00.14 | gahan | simonrvn: he can only click on icons |
| 18:00.22 | gahan | big problems with typing, old generation |
| 18:00.24 | valdyn | gahan: you are trying to shot down from your gnome session or from gdm? |
| 18:00.31 | valdyn | s/shot/shut/ |
| 18:00.32 | simonrvn | no *you* add 'your daddy' to sudoers? |
| 18:00.35 | gahan | i would like to shutdown from gnome session |
| 18:00.37 | simonrvn | s/?// |
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| 18:01.22 | Tak | hmm, what's the name of the gtk widget that's like a hyperlink? |
| 18:01.25 | gahan | there's only "Log Out" and "Lock screen" |
| 18:01.31 | gin_ | i have, the source.list ready to change of Woody to Sarge.. what is the command to begin to install sarge |
| 18:01.36 | gin_ | ? |
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| 18:01.44 | gahan | is there some menu editor for gnome? |
| 18:02.03 | simonrvn | just update and upgrade. but use dselect-upgrade if using apt-get |
| 18:02.09 | simonrvn | gin_: ^^^ |
| 18:02.24 | yahalom | i tried installing debian with the netinstall cd, and even though i run pppoeconf i couldnt connect. on ubuntu pppeconf works fine. any ideas? |
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| 18:02.42 | yahalom | i thought it might be the dns entries, but not sure |
| 18:02.58 | gin_ | simonrvn; what u mean with: dselect-upgrade .. |
| 18:03.06 | simonrvn | gin_: man apt-get |
| 18:03.06 | gin_ | the comand that not works.. |
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| 18:03.26 | Soyburg | is anyone else getting md5sum errors while trying to apt-get update from debian-marillat stable and testing? and if so has found a workaround? |
| 18:03.26 | simonrvn | oh wait... maybe i'm confused |
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| 18:03.37 | gin_ | simon i know what is apt-get .. but, dselect-upgrade not works... |
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| 18:03.40 | simonrvn | no, i'm right |
| 18:03.51 | simonrvn | gin_: man apt-get |
| 18:03.56 | axiom242 | How can I configure a soundcard within debian unstable running kernel 2.6? Any ALSA frontend? |
| 18:04.06 | gin_ | right |
| 18:04.18 | simonrvn | third entry in the DESCRIPTION |
| 18:04.48 | gin_ | simonrvn, check this: |
| 18:04.51 | gin_ | gin:/home/gin# apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 18:04.51 | gin_ | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 18:04.51 | gin_ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 18:04.51 | gin_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 18:05.09 | simonrvn | gin_: update *FIRST* |
| 18:05.10 | gin_ | oh.. i guess i did flood sorry. |
| 18:05.13 | valdyn | !tell axiom242 about alsa 2.6 |
| 18:06.01 | gin_ | simonrvn, i did the update right.. |
| 18:06.16 | gin_ | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 18:06.25 | gin_ | and i get the source.list |
| 18:07.06 | axiom242 | thanks guys |
| 18:07.15 | axiom242 | ALSA still doesn't pick up the sound blaster audigy..hmmm |
| 18:07.32 | valdyn | axiom242: reboot after you installed alsa-base |
| 18:07.57 | axiom242 | ahh..thanks..brb then |
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| 18:08.03 | seven_six_two | does anyone here use a UPS, from apc or any other company? I know apc is linux friendly, but I know nothing about how well they work. I had to restore my / today because of another power outage. third time this month |
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| 18:08.23 | [Freecity]Zealot | try alsamixer |
| 18:08.48 | solemnwarning | there is only 1 crap thing about linux |
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| 18:09.04 | solemnwarning | its dsl support is only easy to use if you are in us |
| 18:09.13 | valdyn | solemnwarning: bullshit |
| 18:09.14 | solemnwarning | and since im in uk i cant stop using cable |
| 18:09.19 | solemnwarning | adsl |
| 18:09.21 | solemnwarning | pppoa |
| 18:09.28 | solemnwarning | impossibley hard |
| 18:09.32 | solemnwarning | pppoe = easy |
| 18:09.36 | seven_six_two | i use dsl |
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| 18:09.37 | solemnwarning | pppoe = us only |
| 18:09.43 | solemnwarning | what type? |
| 18:09.45 | valdyn | solemnwarning: i've been using adsl outside the us, w/ linux for 5+ years |
| 18:09.47 | simonrvn | gin_: you sure it says sarge? if yes, then there's nothing to upgrade. what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 18:09.54 | solemnwarning | pppoa? |
| 18:09.57 | solemnwarning | or pppoe |
| 18:10.08 | valdyn | solemnwarning: pppoe |
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| 18:10.13 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 18:10.20 | solemnwarning | PPPOE = EASY |
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| 18:10.26 | solemnwarning | PPPOA = IMPOSSIBLE |
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| 18:11.16 | Althaser | solemnwarning have you tutorial for pppoe ?? |
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| 18:11.34 | solemnwarning | IM NOT USING PPPOE |
| 18:11.40 | solemnwarning | if i was it would be easy |
| 18:11.43 | solemnwarning | PPPOA |
| 18:11.52 | Spec | pppoa = ppp over what? |
| 18:11.55 | solemnwarning | adsl |
| 18:11.58 | Soyburg | why can't you use pppoe? |
| 18:11.58 | Eulex | solemnwarning: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/configure.html |
| 18:12.03 | solemnwarning | its the shitty one in the uk |
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| 18:12.15 | Eulex | solemnwarning: ppp over atm |
| 18:12.22 | Althaser | solemnwarning how can i do for pppoe ? |
| 18:12.38 | moyix | heh: "Linux PPPoA modem drivers are scarce as hen's teeth at this time" |
| 18:12.40 | Eulex | solemnwarning: read the pppoa section in that doc |
| 18:13.03 | solemnwarning | i have done |
| 18:13.06 | solemnwarning | no help |
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| 18:13.12 | Althaser | :P |
| 18:13.24 | solemnwarning | why is linux made to be easy for pppoe? |
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| 18:13.30 | solemnwarning | and impossible for pppoa |
| 18:13.46 | Althaser | solemnwarning how you do for pppoe ? please |
| 18:13.47 | Spec | (My question is, if pppoe only is for inside the us, how does valdyn use pppoe with adsl outside the us?) |
| 18:13.49 | Eulex | solemnwarning, "made to be easy"? |
| 18:13.55 | moyix | solemnwarning: because pppoe doesn't require any extra hardware? |
| 18:14.04 | Eulex | althaser: google for it |
| 18:14.06 | shingouz | solemnwarning: you mentioned that PPPoE is us only, i have seen the crap here in .fi too. sucks |
| 18:14.43 | Eulex | solemnwarning: nothing in linux is made to be hard or easy... |
| 18:14.44 | Althaser | Eulex ;) |
| 18:14.50 | valdyn | pppoe just works anyway, and its about the only choice here |
| 18:15.34 | Eulex | althaser: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/configure.html |
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| 18:16.01 | Eulex | solemnwarning: tried this? http://www.sfgoth.com/~mitch/linux/atm/pppoatm/ |
| 18:16.12 | simonrvn | Spec: teh 1nt4rw3b fux0r!!!!1111 |
| 18:16.20 | gge | ? |
| 18:16.22 | Eulex | oh, ouch, it's for kernel 2.4... |
| 18:16.35 | Monteiro | anyone knows how to capture a videocamera , i've nvidia geforce with video-in, and i wanted to pass the video to avi, is that possible ? |
| 18:16.54 | Spec | simonrvn: exactly. |
| 18:16.55 | shingouz | simonrvn: PPPoE and PPPoA teh sUx0rz!!!! |
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| 18:17.05 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 18:17.13 | simonrvn | they do. i agree |
| 18:17.18 | Spec | I use this new technology, I think it's called a "14.4 kbps modem"? |
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| 18:17.29 | jshoenberger | I am teh 5cr!pt0r!!!!1111oneone |
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| 18:17.40 | shingouz | Spec: you are on the cutting edge then |
| 18:17.44 | Alver | Spec: you upgraded your 1200baud modem? |
| 18:17.46 | axiom242 | hmm..rebooted but alsaconf still does not pick up the soundblaster? |
| 18:17.48 | moyix | Monteiro: I think rivatv is what you want to look at... |
| 18:17.48 | gin_ | i have an error in security debian.. in the server, ftp.debian.org , the page not found.. |
| 18:17.53 | simonrvn | bleeding edge of the scapel |
| 18:17.54 | Spec | yeah, i know, that's what the guy said when he sold it to me for as low as 299$! |
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| 18:18.03 | Spec | I'm getting blazing intarweb speeeeds |
| 18:18.07 | simonrvn | ohnoz!!1111!!1 |
| 18:18.11 | Monteiro | moyix : tks :) |
| 18:18.15 | Althaser | Eulex thanks |
| 18:18.17 | simonrvn | scalpel even |
| 18:18.21 | Spec | gin_: apt-get update? |
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| 18:18.31 | gin_ | i did that |
| 18:18.38 | jshoenberger | ! (/\)!11 h4x0|2 73h 9!|350(\) |
| 18:18.46 | Eulex | axiom242: what kind of soundblaster? does lspnp show any info about it? maybe pnpdump in the isapnputils package can see it? |
| 18:19.02 | morgajelWork | what's the easiest way to track down which package contains a particular file- for example xf86Version.h ? |
| 18:19.08 | Eulex | !haxorsmite jshoenberger |
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| 18:19.16 | Eulex | !h4x0rsmite jshoenberger |
| 18:19.19 | _sbcl3 | does debian sarge come with KDE? on the screenshots i see gnome. |
| 18:19.20 | Spec | morgajelWork: apt-show i think |
| 18:19.25 | axiom242 | Eulex: Soundblaster audigy 2...Let me check pnpdump - the soundcard works fine in Windows.. |
| 18:19.25 | valdyn | !tell morgajelWork about search |
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| 18:19.28 | Eulex | _sbcl3, of course |
| 18:19.29 | Spec | morgajelWork: just kidding |
| 18:19.31 | seven_six_two | _sbcl3: yesa |
| 18:19.33 | Spec | morgajelWork: get the program apt-file |
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| 18:19.42 | valdyn | axiom242: im sure pnpdump wont help you. |
| 18:19.45 | Eulex | axiom242: pnpdump will only work with isa cards |
| 18:19.45 | Spec | morgajelWork: apt-file search <filename> will list all the packages that contain a filenamed "<filename>" |
| 18:20.04 | Eulex | axiom242, only old soundblasters are isa |
| 18:20.06 | valdyn | axiom242: you should try lspci |
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| 18:20.14 | morgajelWork | thanks spec |
| 18:20.17 | Eulex | axiom242: and lspnp |
| 18:20.26 | Spec | damn, i hate accidently hitting ctrl+l in xchat |
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| 18:20.51 | simonrvn | isn't it just 'refresh'? |
| 18:20.54 | valdyn | !tell _sbcl3 about search |
| 18:21.07 | mikaEL` | Why can't I can't find the arts in the KDE Sound System Setup->Hardware->Audio Device ?... I have arts is installed .. |
| 18:21.07 | axiom242 | the ALSA pages says it uses emu10k1 driver. I had the Soundblaster Live! before and it worked just fine (without Alsa installed) - same driver listed: emu10k1 |
| 18:21.09 | simonrvn | oh, clear. wtf |
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| 18:21.13 | DamonG | hola |
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| 18:21.20 | simonrvn | gotta be non-standard.... |
| 18:21.31 | DamonG | i need help |
| 18:21.32 | Spec | simonrvn: yeap :p |
| 18:21.38 | Eulex | axiom242: then you used oss before |
| 18:21.39 | valdyn | axiom242: thats an oss driver, it cannot be loaded if you were using alsa |
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| 18:21.51 | simonrvn | DamonG: so ask the question before we turn 65 |
| 18:22.11 | Spec | DamonG: or you can wait. we don't mind aging. |
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| 18:22.25 | simonrvn | yeh, aging's ok. we all do it |
| 18:22.26 | valdyn | axiom242: lsmod | grep emu |
| 18:22.36 | DamonG | i have a webmi server with a JabberIM server |
| 18:22.45 | gin_ | damn.. i do not understand why.. the upgrade dont left install the sources.list |
| 18:22.52 | DamonG | i´m looking for a web client} |
| 18:22.58 | Spec | gin_: what's your sources.list look like? |
| 18:23.00 | axiom242 | valdyn: lsmod | grep emu returns nothing |
| 18:23.13 | valdyn | axiom242: good, did you run alsaconf yet? |
| 18:23.17 | axiom242 | I think the kernal loaded it before.. |
| 18:23.25 | shingouz | !kernal |
| 18:23.25 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 18:23.34 | DamonG | somebody can help me |
| 18:23.36 | DamonG | ? |
| 18:23.43 | gin_ | Spec; this: |
| 18:23.46 | gin_ | gin:/home/gin# apt-get update |
| 18:23.46 | gin_ | Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org sarge/main Packages |
| 18:23.46 | gin_ | Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org sarge/main Release |
| 18:23.46 | gin_ | Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org sarge/main Sources |
| 18:23.48 | valdyn | axiom242: yes, you *should* not have an oss module loaded now, so its a good thing it isnt. |
| 18:23.50 | shingouz | DamonG: webclient for what? |
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| 18:23.54 | Eulex | axiom242: the kernel didn't load it, probably discover or hotplug |
| 18:23.55 | simonrvn | !tell DamonG -about smart questions |
| 18:23.58 | gin_ | maybe my line its bad |
| 18:24.01 | simonrvn | !tell DamonG -about smart ask |
| 18:24.04 | gin_ | or fault something.. |
| 18:24.06 | simonrvn | woops |
| 18:24.07 | DamonG | for JabberIM |
| 18:24.08 | Spec | isn't it supposed to be deb ftp://blahblah |
| 18:24.11 | simonrvn | !tell DamonG -about ask |
| 18:24.12 | shingouz | simonrvn: sicco |
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| 18:24.25 | Eulex | gin_: and the problem is...? |
| 18:24.29 | axiom242 | valdyn, Yes, I ran alsaconf and it doesn't find the card. Finds the onboard sound and gives me an option to prove ISA devices. |
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| 18:24.48 | gin_ | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 18:24.48 | gin_ | deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 18:24.49 | valdyn | axiom242: modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 18:24.51 | Rawplayer | where can i remove people from a "who" list? |
| 18:24.53 | puff | /quit' |
| 18:25.03 | valdyn | axiom242: dmesg to see info |
| 18:25.05 | gin_ | Eulex, don't left upgrade to install sarge |
| 18:25.22 | Eulex | gin_: eh? |
| 18:25.27 | Rawplayer | i had a crash from a remote machine and still a user session is open according "who" therefore i killed the ssh processes already |
| 18:25.36 | axiom242 | valdyn, nothing in dmesg but I get this: Setting up ALSA...done. when I typed that command |
| 18:26.02 | gin_ | Eulex, i did an, apt-get update .. later i want the upgrade.. apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:26.13 | gin_ | and only.. dont install nothing |
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| 18:26.25 | DamonG | i can´t configure the jwchat, and i found the Jaimy but i dont know how to install it |
| 18:26.28 | gin_ | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 18:26.28 | gin_ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 18:26.28 | gin_ | Calculating Upgrade... Done |
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| 18:26.37 | gin_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 18:26.43 | Eulex | gin_: then there's nothing to install... |
| 18:26.47 | valdyn | axiom242: cat /proc/asound/devices ( dont spam here, try #flood ) |
| 18:26.57 | gin_ | Eulex im in Woody |
| 18:27.03 | Spec | Rawplayer: COLUMNS=300 netstat -anp|grep -i username (maybe cut off a few of the usernames characters) |
| 18:27.04 | Eulex | gin_: you can try running apt-get update |
| 18:27.15 | gin_ | Eulex, i did that too many times |
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| 18:27.26 | axiom242 | valdyn, it just says 33: : timer |
| 18:27.29 | Eulex | gin_: there's nothing to upgrade |
| 18:27.41 | DamonG | somebody can help me? |
| 18:27.44 | valdyn | axiom242: lsmod | grep emu |
| 18:27.47 | gin_ | Eulex in , ftp.debian.org ? |
| 18:27.50 | simonrvn | gin_ was told this about 0.5 hour ago. s/he's still asking .... |
| 18:27.57 | error403 | hmm, are there any good firewalls for Debian? |
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| 18:28.03 | Eulex | gin_: you're running woody? then why do you have sarge in your sources.list? |
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| 18:28.06 | simonrvn | error403: iptables |
| 18:28.06 | valdyn | axiom242: looks to me like your version of alsa does not know your card. not sure yet though. |
| 18:28.10 | Eulex | error403: firestarter |
| 18:28.14 | error403 | hehe |
| 18:28.18 | SiMatrix | I am new to Debian. Is there any special kernal I need to run that will take advantage of hyperthreading? |
| 18:28.22 | gin_ | Eulex coz i want to change to sarge |
| 18:28.24 | Eulex | !kernal |
| 18:28.24 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 18:28.28 | Spec | isn't iptables good firewall software? |
| 18:28.32 | error403 | im after a low-resource firewall |
| 18:28.43 | valdyn | SiMatrix: any smp kernel will |
| 18:28.50 | error403 | iptables = built in anyway, yes? |
| 18:28.53 | error403 | no? |
| 18:28.55 | simonrvn | gin_: did you answer my question about what version of libc6 was installed on that machine? |
| 18:28.56 | error403 | i dont know... |
| 18:28.57 | Spec | no |
| 18:29.04 | DamonG | error403 use iptables |
| 18:29.07 | axiom242 | valdyn, Should I install alsa from source then? |
| 18:29.08 | simonrvn | gin_: reminder, dpkg -l libc6 |
| 18:29.20 | Rawplayer | Spec: thats not what i mean |
| 18:29.21 | valdyn | axiom242: uname -r |
| 18:29.21 | Eulex | gin_: you got no upgrades when changing that in sources.list and running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:29.25 | Rawplayer | but i have solved it already |
| 18:29.29 | morgajelWork | Spec: will apt-file find files that are NOT in installed packages? i.e. if I'm looking for foo, it can tell me that I need package bar to get it? |
| 18:29.30 | Spec | Rawplayer: hmm? |
| 18:29.36 | Rawplayer | with deleting /var/run/utmp and then touching a new /var/run/utmp |
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| 18:29.45 | gin_ | Eulex yeah |
| 18:29.47 | RichiH | morgajelWork: of course |
| 18:29.48 | Spec | morgajelWork: yeah, every package that's in your repository (you have to apt-file update before you can use it) |
| 18:29.52 | SiMatrix | valdyn, I appreciate that answer, so it will show up as two processors. Now the question is - Is there a specific Debian kernal to use for SMP? |
| 18:29.54 | RichiH | morgajelWork: you need apt-file update, of course |
| 18:30.02 | error403 | ok, ill try iptables... does it have a frontend? |
| 18:30.02 | RichiH | but else, it will work |
| 18:30.04 | morgajelWork | :/ |
| 18:30.04 | gin_ | libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 18:30.08 | morgajelWork | this isn't reassuring |
| 18:30.09 | RichiH | you can also use /msg dokg find foo |
| 18:30.12 | valdyn | SiMatrix: apt-cache search kernel-image smp |
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| 18:30.14 | simonrvn | gin_: that's sarge |
| 18:30.21 | [Freecity]Zealot | error403: use webmin |
| 18:30.22 | RichiH | morgajelWork: well, you need a current list of files, nay? |
| 18:30.24 | simonrvn | !info libc6 sarge |
| 18:30.26 | Spec | frontend to iptables? i think the frontend is bash ^.~ |
| 18:30.30 | RichiH | thatÄs what you ge with apt-file update |
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| 18:30.35 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 18:30.43 | simonrvn | gin_: ^^^^ |
| 18:30.44 | RichiH | error403: firestarter |
| 18:31.00 | schrankwand | how can I find out wcih directorys ara available on a smb-server? |
| 18:31.05 | morgajelWork | RichiH: heh, it's not finding the file that I need. |
| 18:31.07 | RichiH | nvz: ewww, chairs |
| 18:31.07 | [Freecity]Zealot | anyway bash is the best frontend |
| 18:31.08 | gin_ | simonrvn i dont remember have installed sarge |
| 18:31.10 | valdyn | schrankwand: smbtree |
| 18:31.11 | gahan | how do i allow shutdown/reboot from gnome session ? |
| 18:31.13 | morgajelWork | even after updating |
| 18:31.20 | gin_ | simonrvn u mean than im on it then ? |
| 18:31.21 | RichiH | morgajelWork: hmm, not good :p |
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| 18:31.25 | RichiH | what are you looking for? |
| 18:31.26 | moyix | schrankwand: or smbclient -L //server to list the shares |
| 18:31.27 | Eulex | !u |
| 18:31.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:31.28 | simonrvn | gin_: if it says stable or sarge in sources.list then it is installed |
| 18:31.28 | axiom242 | valdyn, I did modprobe emu10k1 and dmesg outputs: "Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver, version 0.20a, 07:04:10 Jul 8 2004" |
| 18:31.45 | valdyn | axiom242: thats an oss driver though. |
| 18:31.45 | simonrvn | gin_: and that libc6 is sarge's, therefore you are |
| 18:31.48 | Eulex | gin_: you're on sarge... |
| 18:31.49 | nvz | RichiH: what the hell do you use a stool? or is your monitor on a 1ft table and you sit on the floor? |
| 18:31.57 | schrankwand | thanks, moyix and valdyn |
| 18:32.00 | RichiH | nvz: i levitate |
| 18:32.02 | simonrvn | NOW PLEASE STOP ASKING ABOUT IT |
| 18:32.05 | [Freecity]Zealot | do net use modprobe |
| 18:32.07 | nvz | RichiH: oh, of course |
| 18:32.10 | [Freecity]Zealot | try alsaconf |
| 18:32.17 | RichiH | nvz: i use beans as propellant |
| 18:32.22 | nvz | heh |
| 18:32.22 | valdyn | axiom242: if you dont need alsa, use that one, remove the alsa-base package |
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| 18:32.27 | gin_ | Eulex, when i try to get an ftp from, apt-setup |
| 18:32.44 | gin_ | the line is .. ftp://blah .. testing/main |
| 18:32.44 | nvz | if its not about to rain, its going to miss a hell of a chance |
| 18:32.49 | gin_ | not sarge |
| 18:32.50 | morgajelWork | RichiH: you'd be amazed how difficult it is getting a Elo 2500U touchscreen to work. apparently they have added support to xfree 4.5, and the guy who wrote the driver made it on xfree 4.3, but he used suse and hardcoded required files |
| 18:32.59 | axiom242 | valdyn, Well, that still won't let me output sound :( ..."Can't open default sound device" when I use mpg123 |
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| 18:33.21 | simonrvn | gin_: sarge used to be testing. if you want to stay on testing don't touch anything, otherwise edit it before etch floods in |
| 18:33.31 | valdyn | axiom242: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 18:33.33 | RichiH | morgajelWork: ah, great.. |
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| 18:33.38 | kmilo | HI |
| 18:33.43 | simonrvn | IH |
| 18:33.54 | MadSheep | buona sera |
| 18:33.54 | RichiH | morgajelWork: that sounds like a great way for ensuring work for users :p |
| 18:33.58 | Eulex | gin_: etch is testing, sarge is stable, woody is the old stable and sid is unstable |
| 18:34.00 | RichiH | morgajelWork: tried alien? |
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| 18:34.23 | axiom242 | valdyn, /dev/dsp points to /dev/dsp0 which is permission 666: crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 3 Jun 15 13:05 /dev/dsp0 |
| 18:34.30 | gin_ | Eulex so im in etch, not sarge.. |
| 18:34.33 | SiMatrix | Ok, does anyone here have Debian installed to take advantage of hyperthreading? |
| 18:34.34 | simonrvn | AKKKKK |
| 18:34.44 | simonrvn | !info libc6 etch |
| 18:34.45 | valdyn | axiom242: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ( as root ) |
| 18:34.53 | Spec | gin_: no, not if your sources say "sarge", and you have the same libc6 that's in sarge, and not in etch |
| 18:34.53 | gin_ | Eulex, what can i do to change sarge ? |
| 18:34.55 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (etch), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 18:34.58 | moyix | SiMatrix: more or less--I just use an SMP kernel |
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| 18:35.18 | axiom242 | valdyn, bash: /dev/dsp: No such device :( |
| 18:35.20 | Eulex | gin_: change anything in your sources.list that is testing or etch to sarge or stable |
| 18:35.33 | gin_ | Eulex i did that |
| 18:35.34 | _sbcl3 | where can i get debian sarge (http)? |
| 18:35.39 | morgajelWork | RichiH: no rpm :/ |
| 18:35.39 | simonrvn | axiom242: chmod 660 that file. it shouldn't be 666 |
| 18:35.40 | shingouz | !d-i |
| 18:35.40 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:35.41 | gin_ | check this line: |
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| 18:36.09 | Eulex | gin_: then you should be safe |
| 18:36.10 | gin_ | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 18:36.10 | gin_ | deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 18:36.23 | gin_ | i have safed the sources.list |
| 18:36.30 | zOap | how do I configure my soundcard? not alsa.. it's ac97 compliant... |
| 18:36.39 | Eulex | gin_: please do not paste here |
| 18:36.45 | Lee__ | !tell zOap about alsa |
| 18:36.45 | valdyn | axiom242: you card isnt found by either driver, period. |
| 18:36.46 | gin_ | ok. |
| 18:36.48 | shingouz | !tell zOap about ac97 |
| 18:36.51 | Eulex | z0ap: not alsa? oss? |
| 18:37.01 | gin_ | maybe sould be sarge/stable ? |
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| 18:37.08 | valdyn | axiom242: lspci, find the entry of your sound card and paste it. |
| 18:37.13 | simonrvn | gin_: SARGE IS STABLE |
| 18:37.23 | arafat | does anyone know something about a resume.sh script or how to set it up? It is supposed to get started when resuming from disk... |
| 18:37.29 | RichiH | morgajelWork: ah, bleh! |
| 18:37.33 | error403 | ok, this probably sounds real stupid, but how the hell do i configure FireStarter? |
| 18:37.38 | gin_ | simonrvn, well.. |
| 18:37.45 | _sbcl3 | gin: how about the .iso? |
| 18:37.47 | RichiH | arafat: i would assume it resides in / |
| 18:37.47 | valdyn | axiom242: and give me the output of 'uname -r', still need it.. |
| 18:38.04 | simonrvn | FFS. fuck this |
| 18:38.05 | gin_ | _sbcl3, my iso is Woody |
| 18:38.07 | shingouz | _sbcl3: you still looking for it? |
| 18:38.14 | gin_ | and i install debian from, ftp |
| 18:38.16 | clinux | grocha já reiniciei a maquina mas nada... |
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| 18:38.17 | simonrvn | gin_: *plonk* |
| 18:38.28 | axiom242 | valdyn, uname -r: 2.6.7-1-k7 |
| 18:38.29 | Spec | simonrvn: I think I might be running potato. |
| 18:38.34 | gin_ | _sbcl3 no with my cd's |
| 18:38.37 | shingouz | clinux: |
| 18:38.38 | clinux | grocha você disse no final do tutorial para fazer o seguinte: root# getent passwd ?qualquerusuário? |
| 18:38.39 | shingouz | !br |
| 18:38.39 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:38.39 | arafat | RichiH: nope... |
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| 18:38.48 | simonrvn | yeh, come over here so i can shove it up your |
| 18:38.53 | clinux | shingouz oq |
| 18:38.56 | thoron | How can I tell if PHP modules is loaded correctly to apache2? |
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| 18:39.08 | Spec | thoron: #apache |
| 18:39.21 | Spec | thoron: maybe httpd -l, but i'm not sure |
| 18:39.22 | nvz | well I got to get dressed and goto dicks... |
| 18:39.31 | Spec | nvz: have fun at dicks |
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| 18:39.36 | eeyore- | hmm, my debootstrap install is hanging at installing sysvinit package |
| 18:39.50 | nvz | Spec: I am just picking up a bowling ball, can't be that much fun |
| 18:39.53 | valdyn | axiom242: ok, put alsa-base back of you removed it, install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7, see if your soundcard is found. if not, ask us how to build alsa from its debian source package. |
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| 18:40.08 | SiMatrix | If I am doing SMP should I use unstable? |
| 18:40.11 | Spec | picking up bowling balls at dicks? you lead the exciting life. |
| 18:40.16 | Eulex | simatrix: no |
| 18:40.21 | Spec | SiMatrix: most likely not |
| 18:40.22 | shingouz | SiMatrix: no |
| 18:40.22 | valdyn | axiom242: alsa-base and all the alsa packages that is. |
| 18:40.27 | simonrvn | MisterRogersNeighbourhood would be too long methinks |
| 18:40.28 | Eulex | simatrix: noone should use unstable |
| 18:40.30 | Spec | SiMatrix: considering it's unstable and all |
| 18:40.39 | [Freecity]Zealot | add these into apache2.conf |
| 18:40.41 | [Freecity]Zealot | <Location /server-info> |
| 18:40.42 | [Freecity]Zealot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.44 | [Freecity]Zealot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.44 | axiom242 | valdyn, you mean I should re-install it or leave it off? |
| 18:40.45 | [Freecity]Zealot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.47 | [Freecity]Zealot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.48 | [Freecity]Zealot | </Location> |
| 18:40.49 | nvz | yep, I sure do :P going to dicks to grab some balls .. heh |
| 18:40.50 | [Freecity]Zealot | visit http://localhost/server-info |
| 18:40.54 | Spec | okay, that needs to stop |
| 18:40.56 | simonrvn | @lart [Freecity]Zealot |
| 18:40.57 | Eulex | simatrix: unstavle is there for breaking |
| 18:40.57 | valdyn | axiom242: reinstall it. |
| 18:41.10 | Eulex | [Freecity]Zealot, please do not paste into the channel |
| 18:41.11 | valdyn | axiom242: unless you never removed it, naturally. |
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| 18:41.25 | Eulex | !tell [Freecity]Zealot about paste |
| 18:41.29 | simonrvn | @tell [Freecity]Zealot -about paster |
| 18:41.45 | Spec | ^tell [Freecity]Zealot -about eating paste |
| 18:41.49 | valdyn | axiom242: still missing the lspci output methinks. |
| 18:41.50 | gin_ | Eulex i will search myself ty, for the help. |
| 18:41.50 | Spec | err |
| 18:41.50 | axiom242 | valdyn, I installed alsa-base and alsa-utils. No need for alsa-oss? |
| 18:41.57 | gin_ | simonrvn, the same to u . :) |
| 18:41.58 | Eulex | !ty |
| 18:41.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player |
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| 18:42.05 | valdyn | axiom242: alsa-oss is good to have. |
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| 18:42.07 | Eulex | !u |
| 18:42.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:42.09 | axiom242 | valdyn, "0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008" |
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| 18:42.21 | SiMatrix | Another question, can I use dual processor hyperthreading? |
| 18:42.45 | valdyn | axiom242: please run update-pciids |
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| 18:42.49 | simonrvn | "oh no, they killed kenny! jim, you bastard!" |
| 18:42.59 | valdyn | axiom242: and after that try lspci again |
| 18:43.13 | SiMatrix | Will it just show 4 processors when I type in cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
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| 18:43.27 | axiom242 | valdyn, "0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB0400 Audigy2 Value" |
| 18:43.30 | moyix | SiMatrix: yes, I have a dual proc xeon server set up that way :) |
| 18:43.32 | shingouz | SiMatrix: how many physical cpu's do you have? |
| 18:43.34 | valdyn | SiMatrix: not sure what it will show, but you can use that setup , sure |
| 18:43.59 | moyix | SiMatrix: cat /proc/cpuinfo makes me shiver with joy ;) |
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| 18:44.35 | shingouz | SiMatrix: oh. two. if you have duals there you should be using an SMP kernel in anycase or the box just uses one cpu |
| 18:44.37 | nvz | its sick to think people are buying systems with 4 intel chips, and I cant afford 4 Dorito chips |
| 18:44.40 | jasoncohen | is there any way to edit the gnome menu in 2.10 other than manual editing? |
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| 18:45.09 | moyix | nvz: heh, this was a CS dept, and it was only two intel chips. but through HT magic, they look like 4 |
| 18:45.11 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: SYN |
| 18:45.13 | simonrvn | nvz: join the club |
| 18:45.22 | synstar | I have just installed Debian for the first time. I've upgraded my kernel to 2.6.11.1.686. I would like to setup my nvidia graphics card now. Can someone guide me to the best way of achieving this? Some helpful urls maybe? |
| 18:45.40 | jasoncohen | synstar, use module assistant to build a custom binary |
| 18:45.46 | moyix | !tell synstar about nvidia-howto |
| 18:45.47 | valdyn | axiom242: support for this card as added not to long ago, so using a newer kernel ( as i already said ), should make this work, not sure of 2.6.8 is recent enough. |
| 18:45.57 | jasoncohen | synstar, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 18:46.04 | SiMatrix | moyix, cool, I have to set up 6 Dell Poweredge SC 1425s as a cluster. I have determined the cluster architecture. Just started today. Have never used Debian before. |
| 18:46.16 | at0m|c | hi, if i hdparm -i or -I, it says the hd has no cache. but it has 16mb.. should it be recognised? how do can i tell it's using it? |
| 18:46.42 | axiom242 | valdyn, would i need ALSA then or should I remove ALSA, and install a new kernel and use the kernel emu10k1 driver? |
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| 18:46.50 | at0m|c | *how do or can, not both eh |
| 18:46.54 | valdyn | axiom242: if 2.6.8 doesnt make this work your options are a) build alsa from source or b) grab a newer kernel from testing or sid |
| 18:47.08 | valdyn | axiom242: stay with alsa |
| 18:47.12 | SiMatrix | moyix: I have a fair amount of work ahead of me it seems. |
| 18:47.26 | valdyn | axiom242: alsa is the recommended sound system in 2.6.x |
| 18:47.27 | Eulex | axiom242: if you can't get alsa to work, oss will work for most things |
| 18:47.35 | axiom242 | valdyn, okay..let me try...brb..thank you very much for your help! |
| 18:47.47 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: too late |
| 18:47.48 | axiom242 | thanks guys |
| 18:47.49 | valdyn | Eulex: hes not getting to run either. |
| 18:47.53 | moyix | SiMatrix: heh, yeah... I wouldn't dream of using anything else for anything remotely important, though |
| 18:47.58 | Eulex | I know, I couldn't get alsa to work no matter how much I tried |
| 18:48.29 | simonrvn | bit hard to run something that doesn't even have an alsa driver |
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| 18:48.39 | alec | Is anyone using the 'vlan' package with a 2.6 kernel on Sarge? |
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| 18:48.42 | Eulex | pretty much given up now... and getting a new laptop within two weeks, so I don't want to start messing with it again |
| 18:48.43 | simonrvn | run it under alsa i mean |
| 18:48.49 | nvz | well, I gotta go call my friend and see if he's still alive, and get dahn to the Picksburgh Mall :P |
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| 18:49.04 | SiMatrix | moyix, this cluster will be running optimisation algorithms, it has to be stable. |
| 18:49.07 | valdyn | googling your lspci output is a good idea... |
| 18:50.10 | SiMatrix | moyix, I am a software developer, not an OS mechanic per say. |
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| 18:50.53 | jasoncohen | damn- i never realized how much faster gnome was than KDE |
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| 18:51.03 | Spec | debian's unstable is more stable than windows -- and it's constantly, consistently, b0rken. |
| 18:51.12 | cbr | jasoncohen: welcome to the club of the enlightened |
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| 18:52.17 | jasoncohen | cbr, i have 640 MB of ram and neither firefox or thunderbird seemed to stay in RAM for very long with KDE. Now with gnome even after loading multiple programs and restarting gnome, it only takes 2 seconds to load either and there's no HD activity |
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| 18:53.23 | moyix | SiMatrix: sounds cool. good luck :) |
| 18:53.35 | SiMatrix | moyia: The choice of Debian was made because of FAI. |
| 18:54.01 | Azar | jasoncohen, are you using sid? out of curiosity |
| 18:54.09 | jasoncohen | Azar, no- testing with gnome 2.10 |
| 18:54.16 | Alver | Yay - woody to sarge upgrade went without mentionable hassles |
| 18:54.16 | jasoncohen | apt-get install -t unstable gnome |
| 18:54.25 | Alver | And without losing uptime even |
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| 18:54.33 | jasoncohen | Alver, did you use aptitude -f dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:54.34 | SiMatrix | moyia: Of course FAI implies things about Debian also. Mainly that it is well thought out. |
| 18:54.37 | Spec | SiMatrix: if you like FAI, you should check out mondo/mindi... :) |
| 18:54.46 | Alver | jasoncohen: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:54.51 | Azar | jasoncohen, I asked because only when running unstable I got that thing happening |
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| 18:55.41 | jasoncohen | Alver, i'm surprised it worked. the release notes and those in #debian recommend aptitude for distribution upgrades as it's better at handling the complex deps & doesn't break as easily |
| 18:55.56 | jasoncohen | Azar, what thing? |
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| 18:56.06 | Alver | jasoncohen: it's a very minimal install... that might have helped |
| 18:56.10 | SiMatrix | Spec = I could use that in addition, right? |
| 18:56.13 | arafat | in ubuntu there's a file "/etc/acpi/resume.sh" that let's you invoke certain scripts/programs when resuming from disk... is there something equivalent in debian? |
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| 18:56.18 | schrankwand | Are the registered modules in /etc/modules the only modules, wich will loaded at systemstart? |
| 18:56.21 | Spec | SiMatrix: for backups/etc, yeah |
| 18:56.22 | Azar | jasoncohen, Firefox and other programs shutting down unexpectedly |
| 18:56.27 | valdyn | arafat: apt-cache show hibernate |
| 18:56.32 | SiMatrix | Spec, sounds like a plan |
| 18:56.35 | Spec | SiMatrix: I use it to install the same-exact-thing-on-multiple-machines |
| 18:56.44 | Spec | SiMatrix: and i use it as backup/recovery goodness :p |
| 18:56.51 | jasoncohen | Alver, yeah- there are several packages with circular dependencies which cause problems. if you don't have one of those packages you're fine. I would use aptitude next time though |
| 18:57.04 | jasoncohen | Azar, haven't seen that here- i'll tell you if i do |
| 18:57.15 | jasoncohen | so, is there any way to edit the gnome menus? |
| 18:57.29 | valdyn | arafat: secondly, /etc/acpi/resume.sh is just a script that reacts on a certain acpi event. trivial to make. |
| 18:57.34 | Alver | jasoncohen: if next time will take as long as it did now, I think the hw will be dead before that happens. ;) |
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| 18:57.52 | jasoncohen | Alver, :) |
| 18:58.04 | jasoncohen | perhaps debian will stick to the 18 month timeline |
| 18:58.20 | valdyn | jasoncohen: which gnome? |
| 18:58.31 | simonrvn | the little short one next to you |
| 18:58.35 | SiMatrix | Spec, Well with the cluster stuff I need to be able to do network boot installs. It is like this. Chances are there will be around 15 small clusters set up with 9 Dell Poweredges per set. I need to be able to support and deploy this stuff with minimal difficulty. |
| 18:58.41 | arafat | valdyn: ok, thanks a lot! |
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| 18:58.48 | jasoncohen | valdyn, 2.10 |
| 18:58.53 | eeyore- | hmm, something odd is going on when installing sysvinit inside a knoppix chroot installation environment. sysvinit just sits there forever after printing "making /dev/initctl" |
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| 18:59.33 | Spec | SiMatrix: i'm not sure about netinstalling off of mondo/mindi, I know you can do the majority of the restore via nfs, not sure if it's netboot, FAI netboots though, right? |
| 18:59.37 | plaes | I have gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0 on my machine, how can I set gcc-4.0 the default one? |
| 18:59.44 | takatumi | jasoncohen: upgrade went without errors? |
| 18:59.46 | mikaEL` | In KDE (3.3.2) I can't use the Shutdown/Reboot options when I wanna logout ( In Session manager I checked Offer shutdown options) |
| 18:59.47 | SiMatrix | Spec: Yes it does. |
| 18:59.55 | jasoncohen | takatumi, yup- flawless |
| 19:00.11 | takatumi | jasoncohen: hmm, ok. |
| 19:00.13 | SiMatrix | Spec: and it can be set to get updates on reboot, that sort of stuff. |
| 19:00.22 | Spec | ah, that's awesome |
| 19:00.27 | Spec | i only briefly looked into FAI |
| 19:00.37 | jasoncohen | mikaEL`, if you're using KDE you need to use kdm to get those shutdown/reboot options. the same is true with gnome (you need to use gdm). dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 19:00.50 | simonrvn | plaes: not a good idea right now unless you're doing that on an amd64 or ppc64 machine |
| 19:01.03 | SiMatrix | Spec: I hope the awesome side of it doesn't take a rocket scientist to get it to work! :) |
| 19:01.05 | deadcat | is there a way to recover my dsl passwd on my router? |
| 19:01.08 | mikaEL` | thanx jasoncochen |
| 19:01.10 | takatumi | so is the topic outdated or is it just that. |
| 19:01.18 | jasoncohen | mikaEL`, np |
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| 19:01.38 | valdyn | jasoncohen: add stuff in the directory ~/.menu/, examples are in /usr/share/gnome/apps/ |
| 19:01.44 | jasoncohen | takatumi, the gnome problem was fixed once all the 2.10 packages were added to unstable which happened yesterday |
| 19:01.50 | jasoncohen | valdyn, thanks |
| 19:02.42 | eeyore- | aha, sysvinit calls "init u" at the end. this must not make knoppix happy. |
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| 19:03.09 | Deffie | 09:02:56 [root@spawn]:~/maildrop-1.8.1/maildrop# ./maildrop -V 9 -d admin@nectarine.info |
| 19:03.10 | Deffie | Invalid user specified. |
| 19:03.10 | plaes | simonrvn, does there exist something like gcc-config on Gentoo? |
| 19:03.12 | runedude | just a quick question, if i were to backup /etc/passwd & /etc/shadow on one box, and reinstall a distro, and copy it back, would it work? |
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| 19:03.26 | valdyn | runedude: yes |
| 19:03.38 | runedude | :/ *sighs* why didnt I do that before then. Lol. |
| 19:03.41 | moyix | runedude: assuming you don't care about the home directories, etc |
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| 19:03.44 | simonrvn | plaes: no. if you're doing such a thing you're expected to know what you're doing |
| 19:03.50 | runedude | moyix - oh, id back up their home directories too |
| 19:03.51 | _sbcl3 | is r0a newer than r0? |
| 19:03.57 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 19:04.12 | simonrvn | r0a was a fix for a forgotten line in the default sources.list |
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| 19:04.17 | Eulex | plaes: change your gcc symlink to point to gcc-4.0... but it's not recommended |
| 19:04.27 | SiMatrix | I there ISO packages designed specifically for Dell? |
| 19:04.37 | SiMatrix | Are there that is. |
| 19:04.45 | Eulex | simatrix: I saw those somewhere... for dell servers |
| 19:04.45 | runedude | SiMatrix no, use i386 |
| 19:04.51 | plaes | oki, thank you guys :D |
| 19:04.54 | valdyn | plaes: dpkg-divert the links you are changing and then change them. |
| 19:04.54 | simonrvn | not official ones |
| 19:05.14 | Eulex | simatrix: as simonrvn said, not official |
| 19:05.40 | dx11101 | which java package is the java runtime for browsers |
| 19:05.55 | valdyn | dx11101: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:05.56 | runedude | well ty all, im going afk now, ttyl folks |
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| 19:06.37 | SiMatrix | Eulex, thanks, I may end up making a custom ISO |
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| 19:06.54 | Eulex | simatrix: google for them |
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| 19:08.05 | Azar | highly critical security bugs in Java - Linux |
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| 19:08.22 | Eulex | azar: java - linux? |
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| 19:08.27 | _zarathustra | hi |
| 19:08.43 | Eulex | _zarathustra, and 900 people echoes "hi" |
| 19:08.45 | Azar | I assume java stuff in linux (aka java plugins in firefox..etc) |
| 19:09.08 | Eulex | Azar, what java vm? |
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| 19:09.24 | _zarathustra | my ethernet device eth0 doesn't start automatically, but i can start it by "ifup eth0", whats wrong? |
| 19:09.26 | arafat | valdyn: hibernate is for swsusp2 only, isn't it? coz i'm using swsusp1! |
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| 19:09.36 | Azar | Java Runtime Environment |
| 19:09.37 | jethro | _zarathustra: man 5 interfaces |
| 19:09.39 | _zarathustra | using ubuntu and own kernel configuration |
| 19:09.41 | jasoncohen | bob2, you said that you complained to someone earlier about python2.4? Were you asking the maintainer to add it to sid? |
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| 19:09.59 | cuti | how do i access another user without root permission? |
| 19:09.59 | Azar | One is a general flaw in the JRE, while the other is specific to Java Web Start, a technology to load Java applications over a network such as the Internet |
| 19:10.06 | jasoncohen | well, python2.4 is already in sid but not all related packages like python2.4-gtk2 |
| 19:10.09 | Eulex | !tell _zarathustra about ubuntu |
| 19:10.37 | cuti | Anyone knows? |
| 19:10.38 | eeyore- | well, if anyone cares, my sid chroot install is going now, after manually fixing the sysvinit postinst script |
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| 19:10.47 | valdyn | arafat: no, hibernate works for any method |
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| 19:10.58 | Eulex | _zarathustra, debian is not ubuntu, go to #ubuntu or something like that |
| 19:11.07 | _zarathustra | !tell Eulex that i found the answer here even though it is a debian channel and i am using ubuntu |
| 19:11.08 | valdyn | arafat: the description used to be wrong, maybe it is still in sarge, i wouldnt know. |
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| 19:11.22 | doomster | heya! |
| 19:11.23 | jethro | !moron _zarathustra |
| 19:11.24 | dpkg | _zarathustra: You are moron #58 |
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| 19:11.25 | _zarathustra | thank you anyways |
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| 19:11.33 | Tak | thus spake _zarathustra |
| 19:11.39 | Eulex | !ubuntusmite _zarathustra |
| 19:12.19 | arafat | valdyn: ah! ok...so i simply put my script into /etc/hibernate/scriptles.d, right? |
| 19:12.29 | synstar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.36 | _zarathustra | its a sign of superior knowledge to compare complex linux distributions with molecules |
| 19:12.40 | valdyn | arafat: i doubt it, read the documentation. |
| 19:12.42 | eeyore- | synstar: ignore it |
| 19:12.49 | eeyore- | synstar: leave blank, move on |
| 19:12.53 | doomster | I need an idea, where would I best hook in to remove a default-gateway prior to creating a PPP connection and inserting it afterwards again? |
| 19:13.00 | red22 | the iso downloads have more than 10 images... can you just download, say, the first two and get all the main packages? |
| 19:13.02 | kmilo | How can I change the hostname without reboot? |
| 19:13.23 | _zarathustra | both share similar configurations, so whats the problem... |
| 19:13.25 | Eulex | !tell red22 about netinstall |
| 19:13.26 | valdyn | kmilo: vi /etc/hostname |
| 19:13.32 | eeyore- | doomster: probably in the standard pre-up/post-up stanzas |
| 19:13.46 | Eulex | red22: that's probably what you want |
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| 19:13.50 | bluezzy | is there someone who already use regex for ncurses form field verification ? |
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| 19:14.07 | Eulex | !tell bluezzy about poll |
| 19:14.11 | red22 | eulex: i saw the netinstall option, but i won't have a good net connection on the machines where i'll install |
| 19:14.28 | kmilo | valdyn: but when i run the command hostname still has the old name |
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| 19:14.59 | Eulex | hmm..., maybe an option is d/l'ing and burning the cd's on a puter where you have a good net connection? ;) |
| 19:15.09 | Eulex | red22: or maybe even order the cd kit |
| 19:15.40 | red22 | i just want to make sure to get, in a cd or 2, some office package, a few compilers, and the GUI stuff |
| 19:15.59 | red22 | eulex: how many cd's in kit? the 10 or 12 available for download? |
| 19:16.15 | Marticus | what is the syntax of the common diff command when creating a code patch? |
| 19:16.18 | Eulex | red22: umh, I do always use netinstall, I dunno |
| 19:16.35 | Marticus | rather, what is the common syntax |
| 19:16.45 | Eulex | but I think there's 14 or 15 cd's for i386 |
| 19:17.02 | valdyn | kmilo: hostname <newname> |
| 19:17.05 | tcsetattr | diff -u oldfile newfile for a single file; diff -ruN olddir newdir for a whole directory |
| 19:17.15 | Eulex | Marticus, man diff |
| 19:17.15 | Marticus | cool |
| 19:17.16 | Marticus | thanks |
| 19:17.21 | empty | Hey all, if I want my localhost mail to show up in Thunderbird, how do I make that happen? |
| 19:17.28 | Marticus | Eulex: I played around with different switches and I couldn't seem to duplicate |
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| 19:17.50 | Marticus | also, what is the patch command to apply it :) |
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| 19:19.08 | Eulex | Marticus: rtfm |
| 19:19.13 | Marticus | indeed |
| 19:19.14 | tcsetattr | the -u option is commonly used because it makes the diff a little more human-readable. patch understands the other formats too |
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| 19:19.37 | Marticus | tcsetattr: I appreciate your patience and assistance |
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| 19:20.49 | jasoncohen | i read that applications:/// is supposed to allow you to edit menus in gnome but it's not working in 2.10 |
| 19:21.28 | haakonn_ | i have built the "bridge" module manually, but when trying to load it with insmod, i get "insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.11.4/kernel/net/bridge/bridge.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module". modprobe bridge gives me a similar message. any ideas? |
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| 19:21.35 | bisquit | Here we go. I have a Woody/Sarge question :) Mainly that I'm running woody, but seriously disappointed to the backport of FireFox and thus tempted to update to Sarge. |
| 19:21.46 | bisquit | What might be the possible complications I oughta be aware of? |
| 19:21.49 | valdyn | jasoncohen: sids gnome 2.10 is defenitely not mature yet, probably not complete |
| 19:21.58 | bisquit | (Yes I've read the "updating" text from www.debian.org) |
| 19:22.05 | geoffb | Copyright/License question: Are the contents of debian/ in any given package copyrightable? If so, is it guaranteed that the license pertaining to that directory is no stricter than the license on the underlying software? |
| 19:22.14 | jasoncohen | valdyn, what do you mean? isn't this the stable 2.10 release? |
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| 19:22.33 | valdyn | jasoncohen: debian/stable does not have 2.10 |
| 19:22.44 | Spec | Let's suppose I have three partitions, 5, 6, and 7. I do not need partition 6 anymore, and would like to expand it into either 5 or 7, what program should I start researching about to do this? |
| 19:22.56 | jasoncohen | the problem is that smeg ( a gui menu editor for gnome) doesn't work in debian because it requires python2.4 and a few other related packages to compile correctly which aren't in sid |
| 19:23.00 | valdyn | jasoncohen: a new gnome "stable" release isnt really quite bugfree or anything, its just a release |
| 19:23.08 | jasoncohen | oh |
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| 19:23.24 | lamp_ | lol |
| 19:23.38 | valdyn | jasoncohen: its scheduled by time, not by bugcount ) |
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| 19:24.08 | valdyn | jasoncohen: but my point actually was the packaging, its not very good yet ( for me at least ) |
| 19:24.16 | doomster | Spec, gparted |
| 19:24.18 | ecobit | i cannot start apache2 it says in error log "Can't locate Apache2.pm in @INC" I have libapache2-mod-perl2 installed |
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| 19:24.43 | dx11101 | is it easy to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 19:24.45 | jasoncohen | valdyn, what's the problem for you? i think that my problem is just that gnome 2.10 doesn't support menu editing through nautilus- not a broken package |
| 19:24.46 | jasoncohen | everything else works fine |
| 19:24.53 | bucky | ecobit, which version of debian are you using? |
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| 19:25.07 | valdyn | dx11101: that depends on various things |
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| 19:25.10 | Spec | doomster: err, i don't, uhh, run this "X" thing, do you know of a CLI utility for growing filesystems? (reiserfs) |
| 19:25.12 | ecobit | bucky: sid |
| 19:25.33 | dx11101 | is 2.6 stable? |
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| 19:25.37 | dx11101 | or unstable? |
| 19:25.42 | Eulex | dx11101: stable |
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| 19:25.44 | bucky | ecobit, sid figures you know how to solve that dependancy |
| 19:25.55 | dx11101 | then why does sarge come with 2.4 and not 2.6? |
| 19:26.00 | valdyn | dx11101: its working fine, its not stable in the sense that it doesnt have major changes. |
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| 19:26.13 | tcsetattr | Spec, it's called resize_reiserfs |
| 19:26.16 | valdyn | dx11101: it comes with 2.6 |
| 19:26.39 | bucky | dx11101, sarge comes with 2.6 if you use the linux26 option at install time or apt-get it later |
| 19:26.45 | Spec | tcsetattr: does it destroy any data? |
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| 19:27.19 | ecobit | bucky: what are you talking about? dependency what? |
| 19:27.21 | tcsetattr | Spec, it should be safe as long as it's unmounted. backups are never a bad idea though |
| 19:27.34 | bucky | ecobit, it's looking for perl |
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| 19:27.38 | Eureka | this is a dump question, but I don't know so I have to ask you guys: Microsoft Visual Studio.NET 2003 and Microsoft Visual C++ >> similar, |
| 19:27.43 | ecobit | bucky: that much is obvious |
| 19:27.45 | kmilo | valdyn: Thanks |
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| 19:28.08 | bobw_ | I have a syslog question, do i need syslog to be running on UDP 53 in order to recieve my own log messages? I ask because sysklogd has UDP 53 open but there is no "-r" in the sysklogd startup script?? |
| 19:28.08 | bucky | ecobit, then you must know how to fix that seeing as you chose to install unstable |
| 19:28.09 | Spec | tcsetattr: i have backups :) |
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| 19:28.16 | Spec | tcsetattr: wait, it says i need to fdisk it to resize it? |
| 19:28.18 | valdyn | Eureka: does #debian look like a windows support channel? |
| 19:28.24 | Spec | tcsetattr: it=: http://www.namesys.com/resize_reiserfs.html |
| 19:28.42 | Eulex | Eureka, gcc with an ide? |
| 19:28.43 | ecobit | bucky: your response, being jibberish and completely unrelated to my initial statement, is worse than no response. thanks |
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| 19:29.01 | bucky | ecobit, you're welcome |
| 19:29.02 | ecobit | bucky: but i bet it massages your ego to make statements like that |
| 19:29.14 | bucky | ecobit, why did you install sid? |
| 19:29.14 | doomster | Eureka, anjuta, eclipse, kdevelop, emacs are all more or less similar |
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| 19:29.25 | deadcat | is it bad when he system has to go to init1 and i have to run fsck manually? |
| 19:29.33 | ecobit | bucky: yeah. let's get into a discussion about that. thanks for your helpful response |
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| 19:29.59 | dx11101 | if you upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 would it break your video drivers? |
| 19:30.02 | valdyn | deadcat: bad yes,how bad depends on the status of your disks data |
| 19:30.12 | ecobit | let's just blame people for using sid any time a problem occurs or they ask a question in a forum. yeah. riight on. |
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| 19:30.29 | ecobit | and let's not bother to read their question or address the statement |
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| 19:30.45 | bucky | ecobit, have you tried BTS seeing as you're running unstable? |
| 19:30.46 | deadcat | valdyn: my /usr had some problem on the ibook. i guess something happened to my /usr/src/2.6.11.12 tree |
| 19:30.55 | samuella | is it possible to take a screenshot of the kde welcome screen? |
| 19:30.58 | Eulex | ecobit: sid is there for the devs to break... |
| 19:30.59 | valdyn | deadcat: it means that there is and error on your filesystem that cannot safely be recovered automatically, if that is data from like just a logfile or a lockfile then that's not a problem.. |
| 19:31.18 | moyix | dx11101: depends on the driver. for most 3rd party drivers, you'd need to recompile them, yeah |
| 19:31.25 | deadcat | valdyn: cool thanks. |
| 19:31.30 | valdyn | deadcat: that sourcetree can easily be recovered, so np. |
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| 19:31.37 | deadcat | (= |
| 19:31.43 | deadcat | lunch time then.eheheh |
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| 19:32.27 | pder | according to planet.debian.org gnome 2.10 transition to sid is complete. I am still having problems with nautilus and gnome-panel crashing. anyone else experience the same? |
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| 19:32.32 | ecobit | okay maybe they should add a line to the topic that says "by the way, if you're using unstable, don't bother to ask any questions here. " |
| 19:32.41 | Anthro | ImageMagick's display command is telling me it's missing a font. What package do I need to install? The error is: display: unable to load font `-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1'. |
| 19:32.51 | valdyn | pder: thats expected in sid, check the bts |
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| 19:33.11 | pder | valdyn: hey thanks! |
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| 19:33.18 | valdyn | !tell ecobit about sid |
| 19:33.26 | adaran | are there any reference values for power consumptions of devices? i'm asking because i have box with 2 hdds, k6-2 300 mhz, riva 128 xz, 192M ram, sound, nic and i want to add another hdd, cd-rom and a bar of ram =) |
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| 19:33.39 | adaran | it's got a 200W power supply =/ |
| 19:33.55 | valdyn | adaran: look at the docs of your h/w vendor |
| 19:34.01 | Eulex | adaran: and how is that related to debian? |
| 19:34.07 | ecobit | !tell valdyn about sid |
| 19:34.11 | adaran | Eulex, it runs sarge =) |
| 19:34.19 | Eulex | ouch, 200w is not much |
| 19:34.29 | moyix | adaran: a quick google for "power supply calculator" will give you bunches of pages that will give you ballpark figures |
| 19:34.29 | bobw_ | I have a syslog question, do i need syslog to be running on UDP 53 in order to recieve my own log messages? I ask because sysklogd has UDP 53 open but there is no "-r" in the sysklogd startup script?? |
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| 19:34.39 | adaran | valdyn, that box is ancient. sorry, no manuals. |
| 19:34.41 | adaran | moyix, thank you |
| 19:34.51 | Eulex | adaran: I'd recommend 300w+ |
| 19:35.12 | bucky | ecobit, you're running unstable and you don't even know what Bug Tracking System is |
| 19:35.12 | adaran | Eulex, money is also scarce, otherwise i wouldn't be using a k6-2 =) |
| 19:35.21 | bucky | !irritate ecobit |
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| 19:35.22 | dpkg | ecobit: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 19:35.38 | Ungy | adaran at least your nto using a 600 Celeron |
| 19:35.38 | Eulex | !tell ecobit about bts |
| 19:35.39 | ecobit | bucky: go pee somewhere else |
| 19:35.42 | adaran | the k6-2 is the biggest problem , i have no idea how much juice it needs |
| 19:35.47 | simonrvn | bobw_: getent services 53. what do you see? it's not syslog |
| 19:35.48 | gge | bt |
| 19:35.48 | valdyn | adaran: if you have a decent power supply it wont start smoking / burning if you overload it ) |
| 19:36.04 | gge | bt is god |
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| 19:36.16 | Eulex | gge: eh? |
| 19:36.16 | ecobit | bucky: guess what? i know what it is. you just lied |
| 19:36.19 | adaran | valdyn, ehm, chances are it's not exactly a brand name device =) |
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| 19:36.26 | gge | bittorrent |
| 19:36.27 | Ungy | k6-2 burn out all the time it's not the power consumption for them directly it's the power the fans require to cool it |
| 19:36.41 | bucky | ecobit, then you must know how to fix that seeing as you chose to install unstable |
| 19:36.45 | bucky | i lied? |
| 19:36.47 | Eulex | !tell gge about ot |
| 19:36.49 | adaran | Ungy, i see |
| 19:36.51 | ecobit | bucky: but of course your wrongly assuming (and stating openly) that i don't know what it is feeds into your little pontificating trip |
| 19:37.04 | gge | ? |
| 19:37.08 | dx11101 | i had a k6-2 a longgg time ago and it ran rather cool |
| 19:37.09 | pder | is anyone here successfully running gnome 2.10 in sid? |
| 19:37.15 | bucky | ecobit, you fixed it.. god you must be a genius |
| 19:37.20 | dnr | i having problem to get usb flash drive working on debian, could anyone help me with this? |
| 19:37.29 | simonrvn | pder: many are. what's the real question? |
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| 19:37.34 | valdyn | !tell dnr about usb storage |
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| 19:37.42 | bucky | ecobit, now you can tell everyone how you run sid and it's great |
| 19:37.45 | valdyn | !tell dnr about usb-storage |
| 19:37.52 | ecobit | bucky: so is your only point to lurk here all day and wait for people you can flame? |
| 19:37.59 | tcsetattr | dnr, you need to have the usb-storage module loaded, and then it will show up as a SCSI disk |
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| 19:38.04 | pder | simonrvn: i am still having problems with nautilus and gnome-panel crashing despite the fact that gnome 2.10 transition into sid is complete |
| 19:38.25 | surreal | what's a good program to watch and analyze packets over a network? |
| 19:38.34 | Spec | surreal: ethereal |
| 19:38.40 | doomster | dnr, having 'hotplug' or somesuch helps, too. |
| 19:38.44 | bucky | ecobit, hundreds of newbs ask sid questions in here everyday... they have no business running sid |
| 19:38.46 | resiak | pder: Your own fault for running Sid. ;-) |
| 19:38.48 | dnr | how do you do that tcsetattrm |
| 19:38.57 | simonrvn | pder: i've seen that happen sometimes, but it doesn't always happen. checked the BTS yet? |
| 19:39.03 | ecobit | bucky: and i don't really give a shit about your pontificating trip. lay off |
| 19:39.06 | Ungy | bucky I am noob who runs sid it's great |
| 19:39.11 | surreal | thanks spec |
| 19:39.14 | dnr | i tried hotplug, it seems that it is not workin |
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| 19:39.23 | pder | simonrvn: my fucking god. i just asked if anyone here had it working. yes i have checked the bts. |
| 19:39.26 | Eulex | Ungy: do not run sid if you're a noob |
| 19:39.27 | Ungy | ecobit did you learn a new word? |
| 19:39.28 | Spec | sid is unstable, right? |
| 19:39.29 | bucky | Ungy, and you asked a bunch of stupid questions |
| 19:39.42 | Spec | if sid is unstable, why are people expecting it to be stable? o.O |
| 19:39.44 | Eulex | !tell Ungy about sid |
| 19:39.48 | adaran | dnr, modprobe usb-storage |
| 19:39.49 | simonrvn | pder: delayed reaction? :) |
| 19:39.52 | Mic | sid is "still in developement" :) |
| 19:39.53 | adaran | dnr, then dmesg |
| 19:39.56 | adaran | dnr, see if it worked |
| 19:40.03 | Eulex | Mic: that's a backronym |
| 19:40.08 | adaran | dnr, after that, mount /dev/sda (or sdb, sdc, if you have scsi discs) |
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| 19:40.39 | Ungy | bucky may be true but it works great for me |
| 19:40.42 | pder | well maybe i can switch back to sarge as long as i dont mind running the same software for the next 3 years |
| 19:40.48 | ecobit | all i can say to you losers is fuck you. i asked a simple goddam question related to a perl issue, which incidentally everyone ignored. let's do a pile-on to massage our egos |
| 19:40.59 | Ungy | pder switch to ubuntou |
| 19:41.10 | bucky | ecobit, you didn't need us... you fixed it ... we lied |
| 19:41.13 | Eulex | !tell Ungy about unstable |
| 19:41.24 | resiak | pder: Run Testing? |
| 19:41.27 | Eulex | !tell Ungy about break |
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| 19:41.39 | simonrvn | pder: i haven't filed a bug yet, since i don't always see it, and i haven't pinned it down... but what fixes it is exiting the session. it comes back afterwards as if nothing happened |
| 19:41.43 | dnr | adaran, thank you! can you be more specific please? |
| 19:42.00 | adaran | dnr, well, did you load the usb-storage module? |
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| 19:42.13 | dnr | no i have not |
| 19:42.16 | Ungy | apparently Eulex doesn't seem to realize I may be a noob but I am also a developer and system administrator so frankly I know what eh term unstable means |
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| 19:42.24 | ecobit | bucky: i don't care who you are. i don't care if you're the project leader or whoever. you are a prick and i owe you nothing and debian's strength comes not from losers like you but from its well-designed infrastructre |
| 19:42.29 | pder | simonrvn: i am running into a case where even with a brand new user, nautilus and gnome-panel will immediately crash upon startup and they can not be restarted |
| 19:42.43 | simonrvn | pder: haven't seen that |
| 19:42.57 | Eulex | Ungy: if you're a developer and system administrator, you ain't a noob |
| 19:42.58 | bucky | ecobit, we don't owe you any support on sid.... so go fuck yourself |
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| 19:43.06 | dnr | where should I get that |
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| 19:43.17 | Ungy | Eulex I am a noob when it comes to debain dsktops |
| 19:43.18 | simonrvn | pder: i've run 2.10 since experimental, on ppc, and sid on x86, and i've never seen that happen |
| 19:43.28 | Ungy | Eulex I just switched as of 2 weeks ago |
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| 19:43.45 | wiler | no testing available for debian? i did change my sources to stable for now. |
| 19:43.46 | adaran | dnr, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/USB-Digital-Camera-HOWTO.html |
| 19:43.47 | Anthro | In what package can I find an X font for Helvetica? |
| 19:43.47 | ecobit | bucky: really? how did you arrive at that conclusion? who is "we" are you a king? i thought not. just another troll |
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| 19:44.03 | stranger | man i sure get ticked when that Theo the Rat keeps talking about how much better BSD is. |
| 19:44.18 | resiak | Ungy: Then why are you using Sid? |
| 19:44.21 | bucky | ecobit, you're the troll.. you come in here with an attitude of entitlement... we dont owe you jack shit |
| 19:44.26 | Ungy | Eulex been running Debian servers for almost two years now but I don't know shit about x so I am trying to learn hence why i want sid I am looking forward to a break so I can try to fix it myself when I have time |
| 19:44.30 | pder | simonrvn: ok thanks |
| 19:44.41 | Ungy | resiak I like to live dangerously |
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| 19:44.44 | ecobit | bucky: and also you imply that because you "don't owe" me support its okay to go off on your lameass pontification holier-than -thou trip |
| 19:44.44 | bobw_ | simonrnv: i meant to say port 514 |
| 19:45.18 | Ungy | ecobit what is whith you and the word pontification? was that the word of the day recently? |
| 19:45.19 | Eulex | Ungy: ok |
| 19:45.22 | ecobit | bucky: oh i see so coming into a channel named #debian and asking a quesion about debian is trolling. yes. i see it. |
| 19:45.24 | resiak | Ungy: *shrug* Whatever turns you on. ;-) |
| 19:45.32 | dnr | adaran, my other USB devices including mouse works |
| 19:45.34 | Ungy | resiak mmm red heads |
| 19:45.47 | pder | there are some serious problems with the debian community, if this channel is any indication |
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| 19:46.04 | bobw_ | I have a syslog question, do i need syslog to be running on UDP 514 in order to recieve my own log messages? I ask because sysklogd has UDP 514 open but there is no "-r" in the sysklogd startup script?? |
| 19:46.05 | bucky | ecobit, no... i just don't like clogging up the channel with stupid sid questions from newbs like you and the insuing arguement that we are supposed to answer all your questions |
| 19:46.09 | synstar | Guz - My nvidia install failed :( - I had to run dpkg -regonfigure NVDIA-GLX again and pick vesa. Can someone help me in a PM session? |
| 19:46.12 | Spec | We don't have anything to do with debian! </disclaimer> |
| 19:46.14 | dnr | so this thing assumes that i do not have any! |
| 19:46.20 | ecobit | Ungy: sorry to have exceeded the limit of your lexicon of english |
| 19:46.30 | Ungy | pder no it's just that people come here crying before they read or even attempt to search for problem on google |
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| 19:46.44 | ecobit | bucky: go fuck yourself |
| 19:46.50 | ecobit | now you go on /ignore |
| 19:46.51 | stranger | pder, well there are some useful hacks to improve latency issues with better locking approaches in 2.6.11 but still none of it is any good |
| 19:46.51 | Ungy | ecobit I know what it measn I am just ammussed you have used it like 4 times at least |
| 19:46.55 | bucky | ecobit, take your own advice |
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| 19:47.03 | ecobit | and Ungy to goes on it |
| 19:47.15 | Ungy | I think he mean too |
| 19:47.21 | stranger | because as everyone knows Linux is gearing up to support LaGrande Technology and SEM |
| 19:47.23 | pder | ungy well thats bullshit, because i have done a lot of investigation, and i get attacked for asking a simple question like does anyone successfully have gnome 2.10 running in sid yet. i checked google, i checked the fucking bts. |
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| 19:47.39 | stranger | plus IBM has its own DRM stuff |
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| 19:47.52 | dx11101 | so if i were to reinstall debian, what would be the easiest way to make sure i installed 2.6 and not 2.4 kernel |
| 19:47.54 | resiak | !tell synstar -about nvidia howto |
| 19:48.01 | ecobit | okay, i'll repeat my original question: |
| 19:48.01 | ecobit | i cannot start apache2 it says in error log "Can't locate Apache2.pm in @INC" I have libapache2-mod-perl2 installed |
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| 19:48.10 | Ungy | pder ahh you asked about sid that appears to be a no no here as I have seen |
| 19:48.24 | simonrvn | pder: it's admittedly rough in here at times, and your way of putting the question is very commonly associated with people who don't do what you did, and are looking for easy answers. |
| 19:48.32 | mikeleib | dx11101: when you get the boot prompt, use the the 2.6 kernel. It's in the options |
| 19:48.43 | dx11101 | ok |
| 19:48.57 | valdyn | pder: "does anyone" gets /msg dpkg anyone, its a pointless question, just assume a yes |
| 19:49.09 | pder | simonrvn: if someone simply said "yes, i have it working" i would at least know its possible to get it working and i could investigate further. |
| 19:49.09 | valdyn | pder: "does anyone" gets /'msg dpkg anyone use', its a pointless question, just assume a yes |
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| 19:49.43 | myren | hotplug is not required, is it? |
| 19:49.44 | adaran | dnr, just google for usb storage devices howto or something similiar, there's a ton of howtos on the net already |
| 19:49.46 | pder | valdyn: thats absolutely false. if gnome 2.10 is broken in sid. then NO ONE would have it working |
| 19:50.03 | simonrvn | [15:37:29] simonrvn pder: many are. what's the real question? |
| 19:50.09 | Eulex | pder: you should be asking: "is gnome 2.10 still broken in sid?" |
| 19:50.09 | valdyn | pder: and that fact would be in the bts |
| 19:50.19 | simonrvn | [15:38:50] simonrvn pder: i've seen that happen sometimes, but it doesn't always happen. checked the BTS yet? |
| 19:50.26 | stranger | man that document yesterday was interesting...Mother Theresa must have been a terrible bitch if she imposed bad health care on so many others but reserved the best health care hospitals for herself. |
| 19:50.27 | simonrvn | i think i did |
| 19:50.30 | De_Mon | if thats the anwer you want try "does gnome 2.0 work in sid?" |
| 19:50.35 | Ungy | pder yeah you must clarify if the packages are broken some people make there own packages |
| 19:50.37 | stranger | i wonder if any of that can be verfied |
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| 19:51.01 | Ungy | strange what document? |
| 19:51.04 | adaran | hmm sarge released.... *remembers* where's my kde 3.4 and php5? |
| 19:51.08 | valdyn | gnome never broke for me in sid anyway, just don't dist-upgrade when you shouldn't |
| 19:51.10 | adaran | =) |
| 19:51.25 | Ungy | valdyn ;-) |
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| 19:51.50 | Tak | and when shouldn't you? |
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| 19:52.38 | nick23 | vladyn, the card now works under kernel 2.6.11! |
| 19:52.44 | nick23 | The Audigy 2 |
| 19:52.57 | valdyn | nick23: nice! |
| 19:53.10 | nick23 | But now KDE refuses to come up - complains of "Could not read network list. dcopserver is not running" |
| 19:53.28 | Eulex | maybe I should upgrade to 2.6.11 to see if my card works on it... |
| 19:53.41 | doleyb | stranger: that's not "bitch", that's just normal. Everyone reserves the best for yourself. All it means is she was no saint. |
| 19:54.17 | nick23 | oh,...KDE works now..oops |
| 19:54.18 | nick23 | yeah it works - thank you so much! |
| 19:54.18 | valdyn | Tak: don't dist-upgrade when packages you _do_ need would get removed. |
| 19:54.24 | stranger | doleyb, well that article was interesting to me because of a problem with the Mexicans here and the Catholic Church that is interfering with my marriage |
| 19:54.25 | mikeleib | doleyb: IRRC, she will be a saint soon |
| 19:54.37 | ecobit | how does @INC for perl get assigned in debian and should Apache2.pm but in its path? |
| 19:54.41 | stranger | doleyb, but i wonder if any of those facts can be verified |
| 19:54.49 | Ungy | stranger you married a catholic? |
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| 19:55.13 | stranger | Ungy, no my wife was married to a damn Mexican that was Catholic before she married me....and it is a big fucking problem |
| 19:55.26 | Eulex | !ops stranger trolling again |
| 19:55.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: stranger trolling again |
| 19:55.38 | Ungy | stranger you married a woman who was married to a catholic? |
| 19:55.42 | anubis_EOA | can anyone please tell me how you would mount an unformatted/ unpartitioned sata hard disk?? |
| 19:55.48 | stranger | Ungy, damn right i did |
| 19:55.57 | ldexter | anubis_EOA: you don't |
| 19:56.00 | empty | is a splash icon a function of gdm or gnome? |
| 19:56.12 | empty | IOW where do I change it |
| 19:56.12 | mikeleib | gnome |
| 19:56.15 | Ungy | anubis try formating it |
| 19:56.20 | moyix | anubis_EOA: isn't mounting something that doesn't have a filesystem, or even any partitions, an oxymoron? |
| 19:56.21 | nick23 | valdyn, So the ALSA drivers are within the kernel? |
| 19:56.24 | Spec | bah, parted doesn't work on reiserfs partitions? |
| 19:56.29 | Eulex | nick23: yes |
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| 19:56.33 | anubis_EOA | ldexter: lol so how would i format a disk to ext2 without mounting it?? |
| 19:56.54 | adaran | anubis_EOA, mke2fs /dev/hda1 i blieve, check the manpage |
| 19:57.00 | ldexter | you don't have to mount the drive in order to format it |
| 19:57.07 | Spec | how do i resize the size of a reiserfs partition? I know I need to resize_reiserfs -after- the partition is resized, but what do i use to resize the partition w/o destroying data? |
| 19:57.11 | anubis_EOA | thanks guys |
| 19:57.23 | xiaogil | est-ce qu'il existe des dictionaires de français sous linux ? |
| 19:57.24 | adaran | anubis_EOA, as a matter of fact, mounting a drive before doing that is a very, very bad idea |
| 19:57.29 | helix | Spec: the userpsace reiserfs tools are even more broken than the filesystem itself, afaik |
| 19:57.42 | Spec | hmm? |
| 19:57.47 | ldexter | you first partition the drive, then you access the individual paritions using the device file, ie., /dev/hda1 |
| 19:57.48 | helix | reiserfs = teh suck |
| 19:57.51 | xiaogil | (sorry) |
| 19:58.01 | anubis_EOA | :-| |
| 19:58.02 | helix | so iirc, d-i doesn't support it? |
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| 19:58.06 | helix | but I'm not sure |
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| 19:58.07 | mikeleib | parted has limited support for resize reiser. See the gnu page |
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| 19:59.02 | ldexter | once you have parititioned the drive, you can then do mke2fs -j /dev/hda1 to create an ext3 file system on the first partition of your primary master hard drive. |
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| 19:59.21 | Eulex | !tell xiaogil about fr |
| 19:59.33 | simonrvn | d-i does support reiser |
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| 20:00.18 | helix | simonrvn: ok, I recall some tools being taken out of sarge though |
| 20:00.20 | helix | or something similar |
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| 20:00.43 | rosco_ | hi |
| 20:00.44 | myren | WHOO! 2.6.11 is working on this baby |
| 20:00.45 | myren | hells yeah |
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| 20:01.34 | rosco_ | is there a tool to install sarge directly on a raid bay ? Or do I have to modify by hand grub and mess with chroots ? |
| 20:01.45 | myren | i had to remove hot plug to get my fibre host bus adapter working |
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| 20:02.04 | myren | hotplug was freezing the system at bootup |
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| 20:03.23 | valdyn_ | rosco_: if your disk controller is supported then the fact that that storage device is a raid hardware does not make a difference. |
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| 20:04.10 | rosco_ | valdyn_: you're talking about $$$$ of hardware.. |
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| 20:04.32 | robert | heyas. |
| 20:04.49 | robert | how do you defragment an lvm logical volume? |
| 20:04.59 | rosco_ | valdyn_: I was talking about software raid |
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| 20:05.40 | Gskillet | Anyone here know how to setup drivers for a bluetooth USB device? |
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| 20:06.12 | Cyanophytes | Anyone know of what module to use for network adapter "Intel? ICH3-M integrated LAN Controller and i82562ET Platform LAN Connect (PLC) device" |
| 20:06.28 | sh4dowcat | Cyanophytes: install discover |
| 20:06.32 | sh4dowcat | see what it selects |
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| 20:07.42 | adaran | rosco_, the installer mentions raid when setting up partitions, not sure how that works though |
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| 20:08.12 | Eulex | Cyanophytes, what does lspci and lspnp say? |
| 20:08.31 | thraddie | hello. Is there a known tool to do binary file patching? I basically have some .bin file, offset, and several bytes to be written at that offset |
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| 20:09.09 | Eulex | thraddie, you need a hex editor? |
| 20:09.09 | robert | thraddie: patch has no option? |
| 20:09.31 | valdyn | thraddie: apt-cache search hex editor |
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| 20:09.45 | goron | How can I see the amount of RAM in a remote machine? |
| 20:09.50 | thraddie | Eulex: no. A mere patch which works for binaries |
| 20:09.57 | thraddie | goron: cat /proc/meminfo on most linuxes |
| 20:10.46 | bbrazil | thraddie: dd |
| 20:10.47 | thraddie | robert: patch does have --binary, but it is not really what I dream of |
| 20:11.02 | thraddie | bbrazil: ah.. brilliant. Havent thought of that |
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| 20:12.27 | xst | How do I get a list of what all processes (including all their sub-threads) uses of ram? |
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| 20:13.16 | Pappa | there is a mem% coloumn in `` ps aux '' |
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| 20:14.35 | smacnay | any recommendations on a little-to-be used-used ftp server for a local network. |
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| 20:14.53 | xst | pappa: But seach for a total mem% for all threads/subprocesses |
| 20:14.53 | vali | smacnay: vsftpd |
| 20:14.54 | ribnitz | smacnay: proftpd |
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| 20:15.02 | valdyn | smacnay: why ftp? |
| 20:15.06 | beeblebrox87 | is it possible to get a rebate from microsoft for a preinstalled windows license you've never used? |
| 20:15.13 | valdyn | smacnay: ssh is already installed and better |
| 20:15.16 | Cyanophytes | Eulex: lspci shows "Ethernet Controler Intel Corp.: Unknown device 103d (rev 83)" |
| 20:15.23 | ribnitz | beeblebrox87: depends on the country. |
| 20:15.26 | vali | valdyn: and slower |
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| 20:15.49 | Eulex | beeblebrox87, why are you asking that in this channel? |
| 20:15.54 | smacnay | valdyn: does scp ssh offer the same speed of transfer? |
| 20:15.54 | valdyn | vali: that might be insignificant in a small local network |
| 20:15.57 | Pappa | beeblebrox87: yes |
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| 20:16.07 | valdyn | smacnay: sure |
| 20:16.13 | Pappa | Eulex: mayhe his computer came with a OEM version |
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| 20:16.27 | smacnay | valdyn: good enough then. I cwill continue to use ssh. |
| 20:16.31 | smacnay | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:16.34 | beeblebrox87 | Eulex: where should i ask? windows channels won't have many people who never used windows in them, so it's best to ask in the channel of an alternative to windows. this is the most popular such channel. |
| 20:16.36 | ribnitz | smacnay: depends on hardware, but with modern hw generally not much diff. |
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| 20:16.40 | vali | smacnay: try yourself |
| 20:16.48 | goron | thraddie: thanks |
| 20:16.50 | smacnay | vali: thanks - I will |
| 20:17.00 | valdyn | smacnay: you will notice that scp causes cpu load, that might be relevant for you, or not. |
| 20:17.09 | Pappa | beeblebrox87: yes it is, unless you agreed to the licence before you bought your copy or box |
| 20:17.22 | smacnay | valdyn: not an issue |
| 20:17.25 | beeblebrox87 | Eulex: though it is OT, so i apologize |
| 20:17.32 | smacnay | valdyn: thanks again and I am going to run |
| 20:17.44 | beeblebrox87 | Pappa: how do you go about getting a rebate? |
| 20:17.56 | mikaEL` | if I wanna remove GNOME using apt-get remove gnome will it removed the other stuff too ?? (nautilus, epiphany etc) |
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| 20:18.06 | ericw | hello |
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| 20:18.13 | Pappa | beeblebrox87: go to any microsoft retailer and complain, saying you don't agree to the license |
| 20:18.13 | valdyn | !tel mikaEL` about remove gnome |
| 20:18.21 | valdyn | !tell mikaEL` about remove gnome |
| 20:18.27 | valdyn | mikaEL`: no |
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| 20:18.39 | ribnitz | beeblebrox87: generally not worth what you get. |
| 20:18.45 | mikaEL` | ok .. thanx |
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| 20:18.58 | bucky | beeblebrox87, second hit on google http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=317420 |
| 20:19.51 | ericw | can someone (or people) with wireless cards please checkout the following script: http://eric.bwbohh.net/wlan-chooser.sh it requries zenity and gnome-sudo |
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| 20:23.32 | *** topic/#debian is SARGE RELEASED. | SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 20:24.15 | mikaEL` | how can I remove any package that is related to GNOME .. I want to use just KDE ... |
| 20:24.22 | bulld0zer | g'day. I'm having some trouble installing console-tools in stable. There's a filename in that package that contains unicode characters, and dpkg reports errors on this and bails out.. |
| 20:24.29 | valdyn | !tell mikaEL` about remove gnome |
| 20:24.42 | valdyn | mikaEL`: read what dpkg is telling you. |
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| 20:25.03 | sh4dowcat | valdyn: we read in here?!?! |
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| 20:25.34 | mikaEL` | this removes GNOME and stuff ?? apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 20:26.07 | Cyanophytes | how can I configure debian so apt-get reads packages from cdrom |
| 20:26.14 | PerfDave | Cyanophytes: apt-cdrom |
| 20:26.24 | csmiller | apt-cdrom |
| 20:26.27 | jasoncohen | mikaEL`, those are base packages needed by gnome. if you remove them- it'll take out everythinge else |
| 20:26.38 | Langly1 | Well ive got a debian box now even though I didnt install it, need to learn it and such, just bought a p3-933, 256 meg ram, 30 gig hdd, and such for a decent price, to learn on. |
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| 20:26.44 | mikaEL` | ok thanx jason |
| 20:26.49 | Cyanophytes | thanks |
| 20:26.52 | PerfDave | Langly1: Who installed it, and what did they install? |
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| 20:27.27 | csmiller | mikel - that will remove all packages that require libgnome - one of gnome's base packages. It also removes all thier config files. Don't do it inside X, if gdm is the login manager |
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| 20:27.33 | ptlis | How do I play/pause/stop DVDs when viewing them with ogle? |
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| 20:27.39 | Langly1 | Place I do some volenteer work at www.freegeek.com havnt fully gone over it yet, but its good, they do tons of machines |
| 20:27.46 | jasoncohen | Langer, you should read the apt howto - http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 20:27.47 | Langly1 | they are the ones who created lessdisk |
| 20:27.57 | J_P | debian project use what bug traking ? bugzilla or mantis ? |
| 20:28.22 | PerfDave | Langly1: You should check to see exactly what they installed - it might not be Debian, but a Debian-based distro like Ubuntu, in which case many of the answers to problems you get on #debian won't work. |
| 20:28.26 | PerfDave | J_P: Neither. |
| 20:28.28 | csmiller | own one on bugs.debian.org |
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| 20:29.01 | Langly1 | where can i check at, BUt i know they use mainly debian, its what they use the most, for about everything |
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| 20:29.23 | PerfDave | Langly1: I'd ask them what they installed on your system. You will also want to know which version or release of Debian they've put on your computer. |
| 20:29.26 | valdyn | Langly1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:29.36 | csmiller | labgly1 - check /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/debian_version |
| 20:29.44 | J_P | csmiller: I like use one bug traking for my projects, you recommend anyone ? |
| 20:29.59 | PerfDave | All bug tracking software sucks :) |
| 20:30.27 | Langly1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.27 | Langly1 | # main debian repository, oregon |
| 20:30.27 | Langly1 | deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
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| 20:30.39 | mikaEL` | which BitTorrent client do u use , except azureus ?? |
| 20:30.45 | PerfDave | !u |
| 20:30.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:30.50 | PerfDave | !poll |
| 20:30.50 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 20:31.01 | valdyn | Langly1: if you now run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade you should be running sarge/stable |
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| 20:31.03 | jasoncohen | Langly1, looks like you're using the sarge, the recently released debian stable distro |
| 20:31.04 | Langly1 | version is 3.1 |
| 20:31.04 | csmiller | j-p I don't have much experance of setting one up (I'm a softie). I think bugzilla is quite easy - but it needs mysql or progress |
| 20:31.21 | jasoncohen | Langly1, you should also have a security.debian.org line |
| 20:31.38 | Langly1 | # security updates |
| 20:31.38 | Langly1 | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:31.38 | Langly1 | #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 20:31.51 | jasoncohen | Langly1, good |
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| 20:31.57 | darkskiez | does usb generate a lot of interrupts ? |
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| 20:32.45 | Langly1 | They wouldnt hack anything, they are a large non-profit org that builds pc's sells some, and donates the rest to places that need them as grants, and recycles tons of old stuff |
| 20:33.05 | Texou | Hi, could someone help me to change a shell script, I can't do it, the script is a little long and complicated. |
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| 20:33.16 | csmiller | langly1 - is there other sources listed? |
| 20:33.34 | valdyn | Texou: /j #bash |
| 20:33.39 | csmiller | texou bash -xv script will help you debug it |
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| 20:34.02 | Texou | valdyn, oh I didn't know this channel. Thanks very much |
| 20:34.29 | csmiller | how do I get a chan list ? |
| 20:34.37 | Pryon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:34.57 | arafat | does anybody know how to write a script that changes to tty1 (or 2,3...)? (i.e. a script that performs STRG+ALT+F1) |
| 20:35.05 | csmiller | ah. was a bit slow, but working now |
| 20:35.13 | Eulex | csmiller: but watch out, it's pretty long :) |
| 20:35.27 | csmiller | thats what broadband is for.... |
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| 20:35.33 | Flimzy | arafat: That's probably not possible like that... |
| 20:35.40 | hkais | hello |
| 20:35.44 | jelly | arafat: why not use chvt |
| 20:35.55 | arafat | valdyn: thanks for your suport! hibernate is working now with my graphiccard! |
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| 20:36.10 | valdyn | !win arafat |
| 20:36.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, arafat! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:36.18 | jasoncohen | Langly1, have a look through this package managmenet guide - http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html |
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| 20:36.26 | arafat | :-) |
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| 20:36.34 | tictac | hmm. burned another sarge cd1 dvd and having the same issues (taking forever to scan the cdrom) md5 checked alright on the file. any other suggestions? |
| 20:36.36 | jasoncohen | Langly1, that'll show you basic commands for installing, search for apps, removing apps and upgrading your system |
| 20:36.48 | jasoncohen | you can also use aptitude - apt-get aptitude; man aptitude |
| 20:36.57 | arafat | jelly: that is what i was looking for! thx! |
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| 20:37.09 | csmiller | tictac mount it and check the contents? |
| 20:37.16 | jasoncohen | most of the commands are the same - i.e aptitude install, upgrade, remove, upgrade, dist-upgrade |
| 20:37.22 | csmiller | you can also do md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 20:37.43 | csmiller | this will check if the cdrom/dvd was burnt ok |
| 20:37.48 | hkais | anyone here with who knows a good howto for speedstep for the centrino platform? |
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| 20:38.26 | Flimzy | csmiller: Hopefully it wasn't burnt... it will be hard to read if it's been charred |
| 20:38.28 | PerfDave | chvt is cute, but won't work inside X seemingly. |
| 20:38.53 | tatoo | i can't see the enlightenment properly. is there any necessary extra package which i should install?? |
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| 20:38.58 | arafat | PerfDave: yep...just seen it:-( |
| 20:39.03 | PerfDave | tatoo: Mediation? :) |
| 20:39.13 | jelly | PerfDave: eh? WFM, at least if I'm root. |
| 20:39.19 | Eulex | perfdave: haha |
| 20:39.28 | csmiller | is there a networing channel? |
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| 20:39.52 | tictac | csmiller: ask the question here. |
| 20:39.53 | SmallR2002 | hi |
| 20:39.55 | csmiller | doh found it |
| 20:40.06 | csmiller | I have, didn't get a response |
| 20:40.13 | xophEr | What should I do so I as a user also have access to my USB-camera? lsusb cant even list it if Im not root.. |
| 20:40.19 | PerfDave | jelly: It works for me as non-root in text consoles, but not in X. |
| 20:40.28 | SmallR2002 | it is possible is it not to have two ips on one device (card) |
| 20:40.29 | tatoo | PerfDave: sorry...what is Mediation? a package? |
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| 20:40.47 | PerfDave | xophEr: Add the user to group "camera"? |
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| 20:41.00 | xophEr | PerfDave, will do |
| 20:41.01 | csmiller | it should come in as /dev/video0 if your machine is set up ok |
| 20:41.06 | Langly1 | hmm apt-get isnt much differnt than emerge |
| 20:41.09 | Langly1 | nice |
| 20:41.13 | jelly | PerfDave: probably because those /dev/tty? are yours, while /dev/tty7 (or wherever X was started from) is not. |
| 20:41.24 | xiaogil | How to be able to read the content of such file : fra-enf.dict.dz ? |
| 20:41.25 | tictac | hmm. ppp connections. never dealt with them in linux. |
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| 20:41.40 | xiaogil | fra-eng.dict.dz ? |
| 20:41.59 | jelly | PerfDave: I think it would run if X were started with startx instead of *dm |
| 20:42.07 | SmallR2002 | it is possible is it not to have two ips on one device (card) |
| 20:42.09 | csmiller | xia - gz? - use zless |
| 20:42.10 | PerfDave | jelly: No, I can change to tty1 from tty2, but not from tty7. I can change to tty7 from tty1 :) |
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| 20:42.17 | xophEr | PerfDave, is there anything else I should to so itll work? like re-login or something? |
| 20:42.17 | PerfDave | !tell SmallR2002 -about repeat |
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| 20:42.29 | tictac | SmallR2002: if the device has 2 interfaces. |
| 20:42.33 | PerfDave | SmallR2002: Yes, it is possible to not have two IPs on one device. In fact, that's the standard. |
| 20:42.41 | xophEr | Because it still cant detect my camera |
| 20:42.51 | tictac | oops. read that as isp's |
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| 20:42.54 | Langly1 | grr |
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| 20:43.15 | tictac | ifconfig eth0:1 xxx |
| 20:43.18 | Langly1 | absentmindly did a /server -m irc.efnet.net as im used to mirc |
| 20:43.21 | SmallR2002 | its a ethernet card, with one cable |
| 20:43.23 | jelly | PerfDave: Ah, so you cant change _to_ X? I can't change from X to a console, but can change from eg. tty1 to X with chvt 7. |
| 20:43.27 | Langly1 | how do you do multiserver in xchat |
| 20:43.36 | xiaogil | csmiller: i tried zless fra-eng.dict.dz, but it didn't work |
| 20:43.37 | PerfDave | jelly: No, I can't change *from* X. |
| 20:43.38 | SmallR2002 | so i can set two ips? |
| 20:43.44 | Eulex | Langly1, start a new server tab |
| 20:43.46 | tictac | SmallR2002: easily, yes. |
| 20:43.48 | PerfDave | SmallR2002: Do you want to set one IP, or two? |
| 20:43.51 | jelly | PerfDave: oops, I misread |
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| 20:44.13 | tictac | SmallR2002: if you wish the changes to remain persistent, be sure to update /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:44.33 | SmallR2002 | i use two networks you see, one runs on dhcp, then other on static addresses |
| 20:44.53 | SmallR2002 | so i object to changing the config each time i move around |
| 20:45.11 | jelly | SmallR2002: add another interface to /etc/network/interfaces and call it eth0:0 (if your card is eth0) |
| 20:45.15 | Eulex | SmallR2002, you could create a script to do the changes for you |
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| 20:45.28 | tictac | i dont think dhclient/pump works on virtual interfaces. |
| 20:45.30 | KungFu | hi |
| 20:45.53 | Cyanophytes | what kind of linux util is good for seting up ethernet adapters in debian |
| 20:46.02 | tictac | ifconfig |
| 20:46.02 | csmiller | try file ra-eng.dict.dz |
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| 20:46.07 | Spec | Cyanophytes: ifconfig |
| 20:46.13 | tictac | ifconfig will do everything you need. |
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| 20:46.18 | hkais | no one here with a centrino and a running speedstep under deb? |
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| 20:46.25 | jelly | "ip" is nice too. ;-) |
| 20:46.33 | SmallR2002 | jelly, so i open that in nano |
| 20:46.50 | Cyanophytes | Spec: I'm trying to get the card working right now |
| 20:47.00 | Spec | Cyanophytes: and ifconfig will help you with that goal |
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| 20:47.43 | w00t | god damn it my g/f is so horny |
| 20:47.45 | Cyanophytes | Spec: Even if my system can't see tell what ethernet card is installed |
| 20:48.11 | arafat | hkais: http://www.celifornia.com/documents/dell700m.html#ACPI |
| 20:48.23 | arafat | worked for me... |
| 20:48.50 | SmallR2002 | so i want to make eth0 and eth0:0 |
| 20:49.09 | PerfDave | SmallR2002: You want to use something like laptop-net to change your network config on different networks, rather than have both networks up at the same time. |
| 20:49.15 | Spec | Cyanophytes: what card are you using? |
| 20:49.16 | mikaEL` | how can I mount CUE images ?? |
| 20:49.32 | Spec | Cyanophytes: does anything show up when you do "ifconfig -a"? |
| 20:49.34 | tictac | mikaEL`: you cant, mount the bin. |
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| 20:49.35 | jelly | SmallR2002: yep, and add an iface eth0:0 entry like eth0, then do "ifup eth0:0" or "/etc/init.d/networking reload" |
| 20:49.58 | SmallR2002 | what do i want to put in for dhcp? |
| 20:50.04 | PerfDave | SmallR2002: If you use something like laptop-net, your network card will configure itself automatically depending on what network you connect it to. |
| 20:50.04 | jelly | uh |
| 20:50.14 | SmallR2002 | inet dhcp ? |
| 20:50.20 | Cyanophytes | Spec: ifconfig -a only shows localhost |
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| 20:50.26 | Cyanophytes | Spec: Intel? ICH3-M integrated LAN Controller and i82562ET Platform LAN Connect (PLC) device |
| 20:50.45 | Spec | do you know what module it requires? |
| 20:50.45 | SmallR2002 | PerfDave, realy? i was looking for something like that, spent most of my time package searching |
| 20:50.47 | ralf | how can I assign both ipv4 and ipv6 to an interface in /etc/networking/interfaces? |
| 20:50.50 | Thumper_ | Is there a way to tell if grub is installed in the MBR vs lilo without rebooting? |
| 20:51.07 | Cyanophytes | Spec: no |
| 20:51.07 | blu | Hi! I have difficulty opening X applications on a server I ssh to (both the local machine and the server are linux). I think it has something to do with LOCAL xpermissions. What can I do ? |
| 20:51.11 | Spec | Cyanophytes: find out what module it requires, it'd be easy in google, then do modprobe <drivername>;ifconfig eth0 up;dhclient eth0 (if you're using dhcp) |
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| 20:51.40 | csmiller | blue - try ssh -X then check echo $DISPLAY |
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| 20:51.48 | jelly | SmallR2002: (re: inet dhcp) yes, but please listen to PerfDave, he seems to have a better grasp of what you need (rather than what you asked) |
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| 20:52.14 | csmiller | perfdave- do you understand atm on deban? |
| 20:52.32 | SmallR2002 | PerfDave, enlighten me |
| 20:52.38 | arafat | mikaEL`: or try cdemu |
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| 20:52.46 | blu | csmiller: I get "localhost:10.0" (and I use -X) |
| 20:53.04 | sbk | Thumper_: I guess you could just do a strings on the first sector of the HD. |
| 20:53.09 | blu | csmiller: is it supposed to be localhost:1.0 ? |
| 20:53.33 | csmiller | blue - that should work. whats going wrong? - not :10 is correct for ssh |
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| 20:53.45 | csmiller | s/not/no/ |
| 20:54.20 | csmiller | blu - does xterm work ? |
| 20:54.27 | blu | csmiller: I'm trying to open, for example, Mozilla on the server, and it just exits |
| 20:54.37 | PerfDave | csmiller: No, I'm not familiar with ATM networking. |
| 20:54.52 | csmiller | Moz. is a heavy app. try a simple one like xterm or xman |
| 20:55.01 | PerfDave | SmallR2002: apt-cache show laptop-net |
| 20:55.20 | blu | csmiller: actually, yes, xterm works. So there's something wrong with gnome libs & mozilla I suppose |
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| 20:55.26 | csmiller | perfdave - no matter. I can't see the atm device - but I'll try again later |
| 20:55.27 | SmallR2002 | i just apted it |
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| 20:55.56 | csmiller | blue - try mozilla -sync |
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| 20:56.17 | jelly | SmallR2002: strange you didn't find anything, apt-cache search auto.\*network returns a few packages that are supposed to handle network configuration for multiple locations: ifplugd, intuitively, laptop-net, netenv, whereami |
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| 20:56.53 | SmallR2002 | they all seem to rely on you having miltiple cards |
| 20:57.26 | PerfDave | SmallR2002: They shouldn't do. |
| 20:57.33 | jelly | I tried ifplugd, and don't remember that requirement |
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| 20:58.54 | deadcat | 802.1d is bridging right? |
| 20:59.09 | Eulex | deadcat: eh? |
| 20:59.23 | deadcat | Eulex: i want to bridge |
| 20:59.30 | myren | deadcat: yes |
| 20:59.34 | csmiller | need to bounce my redmond box |
| 20:59.47 | myren | my redmond box is flipping nuts, it desperatly needs a good once over |
| 20:59.47 | deadcat | roger that |
| 20:59.48 | blu | csmiller: that works, thanks! |
| 21:00.08 | csmiller | -sync is for debugging only. |
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| 21:00.50 | csmiller | X apps can queue draw commands. -sync forces it to do them one at time, and you can tell which ones are failing. It makes the app run slower |
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| 21:01.30 | SmallR2002 | PerfDave, so i set this up for this network, what do i do when i go to the other? |
| 21:02.11 | csmiller | the auto-update is wanting to auto-reboot my pc. However fast user switching will stop that from happing automatically. (Want to stay on over night, in case the good folks on #networking will respond) |
| 21:02.35 | csmiller | blu - you should try to find out what is going wrong |
| 21:02.56 | csmiller | blue - does moz. work locally? |
| 21:03.16 | tictac | lol |
| 21:03.45 | csmiller | in gaim, how do I stop auto-idle? |
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| 21:04.56 | vladster | I get a connection refued when connecting to the repositories |
| 21:05.13 | Flimzy | csmiller: in the preferences |
| 21:05.14 | csmiller | http or ftp? |
| 21:05.17 | vladster | refused |
| 21:05.35 | Flimzy | csmiller: Did you bother even _looking_ before you asked? |
| 21:06.02 | SmallR2002 | PerfDave, you there? |
| 21:06.06 | vladster | both |
| 21:06.13 | csmiller | no prefs option on chat window :-{ |
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| 21:06.55 | vladster | error 111 |
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| 21:07.46 | Ungy | csmiller try preferences from your buddy list |
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| 21:08.08 | jasoncohen | csmiller, i don't think you can. ask in #gaim |
| 21:08.37 | deadcat | whats a good mp3 streaming app other than icecast? it pissed me off |
| 21:08.41 | Cyberax | Is there any advantages to using a debian etch stock kernel rather than using a standard more up to date linux kernel from kernel.org? I mean the latest kernel version I can see is 2.6.8 how long is gunna take before new kernel sources are added to the testing repositories |
| 21:09.09 | jasoncohen | Cyanophytes, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 21:09.09 | Eulex | Cyberax: 2.6.11 *is* in testing |
| 21:09.31 | jasoncohen | and pick the one for your arch |
| 21:09.32 | vladster | could it be the onion routing? |
| 21:09.33 | luulis | what should I use to backup certain directories from my home dir to another drive regularly? |
| 21:09.34 | deadcat | can i ^Z to sleep a kernel compile? (= |
| 21:09.34 | [Granger] | Cyberax: the debian 2.6.8 kernel is very different from the kernel.org 2.6.8 kernel |
| 21:09.35 | maniki | i just installed debian 3.1 with the net installer and i am wondering how to install new software. i read about apt-get but i think that apt-get currently searches for packages in the cd-rom. Is there a link that has the mirrors of debian that i can use in /etc/apt/sources.list in order to obtain the packages from the internet ? |
| 21:09.45 | [Granger] | deadcat: I would recommend you NOT do that |
| 21:09.46 | jasoncohen | most likely kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 or kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 21:09.54 | [Granger] | maniki: apt-setup |
| 21:09.57 | nunez | Is there a way to run command with spaces? |
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| 21:10.03 | maniki | ahhh thank you :) |
| 21:10.05 | [Granger] | nunez: quotes |
| 21:10.09 | tictac | nunez: quotes work well |
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| 21:10.16 | Cyberax | curious I couldnt see a kernel higher than 2.6.8 with apt-cache search kernel |
| 21:10.19 | sprink | hi guys. trying to get java installed under debian 3.1 |
| 21:10.26 | valdyn | nunez: "com mand" or "com\ mand" |
| 21:10.29 | deadcat | Cyberax: because you using stable. |
| 21:10.29 | valdyn | nunez: "com mand" or com\ mand |
| 21:10.32 | Cyberax | and I am using the testing repos |
| 21:10.33 | sprink | any help? |
| 21:10.34 | paulswm | or escape the spaces with preceding backslahes, much more of a pain than quotes |
| 21:10.40 | deadcat | Cyberax: update it |
| 21:10.45 | Cyberax | yup |
| 21:10.46 | SmallR2002 | PerfDave, hello? |
| 21:10.46 | nunez | damn |
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| 21:10.51 | nunez | Is there a way to run command WITHOUT spaces? |
| 21:10.51 | jasoncohen | maniki, yes, this is in the release notes |
| 21:10.52 | deadcat | !tell sprink about java |
| 21:10.53 | nunez | sorry |
| 21:11.04 | maniki | ok did it :) |
| 21:11.08 | nunez | Is there a ASCII I can put it to represent it? |
| 21:11.12 | paulswm | it is sacrilege to use spaces in filenames on *nix systems. |
| 21:11.14 | Ungy | damn the default for apt-setup edit by hand is vi how painful I forgot how to get out of VI wihtout saving |
| 21:11.21 | csmiller | nunez - it should, unless the command is in PWD, then use ./command |
| 21:11.31 | csmiller | :q! |
| 21:11.32 | Cyberax | is the kernel source available for higher than 2.6.8 as well? |
| 21:11.32 | tictac | :q! works (for read only files) |
| 21:11.34 | deadcat | nunez: "stupid space command" ? |
| 21:11.49 | valdyn | !tell Cyberax about search |
| 21:11.50 | irc-us | nunez : lol shellcode ? |
| 21:11.52 | tictac | err |
| 21:11.54 | sprink | thanks. useful bot |
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| 21:12.03 | arnon | how do I add a dns server ? |
| 21:12.06 | Cyberax | I would double check but Im in the middle of dist-upgrade |
| 21:12.11 | tictac | arnon: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:12.32 | jasoncohen | maniki, the debian installer should have setup sources for you. you can run apt-setup as root to set it up now |
| 21:12.42 | arnon | tictac, do I need to restart something after that ? |
| 21:12.43 | csmiller | arrg. you need to put a space in frount of filename, if they are rooted |
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| 21:12.47 | tictac | arnon: no |
| 21:12.49 | maniki | yes yes jasoncohen i did that thank you a lot :) |
| 21:12.54 | maniki | it downloads now the packets |
| 21:12.56 | csmiller | no - its consulted for each dns lookup |
| 21:13.09 | jasoncohen | maniki, you can re-run the base-config tool if you missed other stuff like your MTA- run base-config as root |
| 21:13.18 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: why would a dist-upgrade prevent you doing "apt-cache search blah" ? |
| 21:13.22 | chalenged | Cyberax...there early 2.6.11-5 or something in sid atm.....most grab from kernel.org and reconfig using the existing config file |
| 21:13.29 | valdyn | Cyberax: why would a dist-upgrade prevent you doing "apt-cache search blah" ? |
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| 21:13.37 | calyth | is it possible in awk to take the matching part of the field and assigning it into a variable (sorry for the OT question) |
| 21:13.45 | snoke | how i instal some package to diffrent path not in root without it's messing current installation package list ? |
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| 21:13.49 | [Granger] | uses* |
| 21:13.58 | valdyn | snoke: you dont |
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| 21:14.12 | [Granger] | snoke: install it seperate of the package management system |
| 21:14.22 | Cyberax | valdyn: dist-upgrade is stopping me coz its installing stuff and making my system slow, n I'd rather wait till its finished |
| 21:14.22 | chalenged | snoke: how do you do the copmplete opposite of what something is designed to do.......dont use it... |
| 21:14.28 | jasoncohen | maniki, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade to upgrade the system |
| 21:14.30 | [Granger] | like in /home/$USER/opt/app |
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| 21:14.37 | Eulex | snoke: set up a chroot'ed environment ;) |
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| 21:15.03 | maniki | whats the difference between update and upgrade ? |
| 21:15.10 | valdyn | maniki: man apt-get |
| 21:15.21 | arnon | tictac, thanks |
| 21:15.25 | Ungy | maniki, update gets the latest available upgrade does the upgrading |
| 21:15.29 | Thumper_ | maniki: update just updates your local package lists with what is available - upgrade actually upgrades packages |
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| 21:15.51 | maniki | nice |
| 21:15.53 | Ungy | maniki, then there is dist-upgrade |
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| 21:16.15 | maniki | :)) |
| 21:16.22 | maniki | is there a "debian-book" that i can read ? |
| 21:16.34 | Cyberax | chalenged: thanks, Im using testing (etch) I might nick a kernel from sid then, I was just under the impression that if I use apt the kernel will have all the debian patches on |
| 21:16.37 | morgajelWork | anyone have any luck configuring/installing an elo 2500u touchscreen? |
| 21:16.45 | morgajelWork | I seem to be having issues |
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| 21:16.53 | Nenillo | hi |
| 21:16.54 | snoke | [Granger]: can i tell apt/dpkg use different path for installed packages? |
| 21:16.55 | tictac | morgajelWork: google might be your best choice for finding that information. |
| 21:16.58 | gtigene | My system does not allow nfs mounting, /proc/filesystems does not contain an entry for nfs, even though I have installed the package nfs-common. Does anyone have a suggestion? |
| 21:16.59 | Nenillo | what about setting fs.file-max = 8000 |
| 21:17.00 | Ungy | !book |
| 21:17.00 | dpkg | i guess book is on the table |
| 21:17.02 | Nenillo | is too high? |
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| 21:17.06 | valdyn | maniki: apt-cache show debian-reference |
| 21:17.08 | baikonur | hi |
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| 21:17.22 | morgajelWork | tictac: I've been googling since yesterday :/ |
| 21:17.22 | Assid | umm i need some help with updating a 2.4 box to 2.6 |
| 21:17.36 | deadcat | Assid: apt-cache search 2.6 |
| 21:17.41 | vladster | where are the proxy settings stored |
| 21:17.46 | Assid | deadcat: i found a image |
| 21:17.46 | deadcat | gtigene: you have portmap? |
| 21:17.51 | Cyberax | so is there is any advantage over using stock kernel (with its nice debian patches) from apt rather than kernels from kernel.org? |
| 21:17.51 | tictac | morgajelWork: doubtful that anyone here has used something as specific as what you named. |
| 21:17.51 | deadcat | Assid: apt-get install it |
| 21:17.53 | Assid | but.. it says i need the init to run right |
| 21:17.53 | gtigene | deadcat: yes |
| 21:17.55 | Ungy | apt-get install imagename |
| 21:17.59 | deadcat | Cyberax: no |
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| 21:18.05 | softrat | ANYONE, I get 'scheduler not responding' from a print request. Help! |
| 21:18.16 | deadcat | gtigene: start them up? check /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} |
| 21:18.20 | tictac | Cyberax: a kernel is a kernel is a kernel. |
| 21:18.30 | Cyberax | deadcat: oh ok then, cool in that case Im upgrading |
| 21:18.39 | gtigene | deadcat: but I do not have mountd running for example |
| 21:18.42 | w00t | can some one get ib your wireless and change your email pwd? |
| 21:18.47 | baikonur | how can I find out if RAID bus controller: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT302 (rev 01) is supported by linux-2.6.11.12? I have the source tree and tried grep -r HPT302 . but the output does not help me |
| 21:18.47 | valdyn | Cyberax: debian kernels are tested in debian and documented in the bts. |
| 21:18.52 | w00t | in |
| 21:19.07 | deadcat | gtigene: why not? server runs portmap+nfs-kernel-server, client runs portmap+nfs-common |
| 21:19.20 | tictac | w00t: its possible if the connection is sent in clear text (which most usually are) |
| 21:19.27 | Ungy | Cyberax no crying here if it doesn't work or breaks something ;-) |
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| 21:19.39 | valdyn | baikonur: did you try discover? |
| 21:19.46 | morgajelWork | tictac: I'm aware, but someone from the debian team wrote up the (very minimal) man page, so I was hoping perhaps they'd bite at it. |
| 21:19.46 | xpato | what are cpu %nice time and %system time? |
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| 21:19.58 | gtigene | deadcat: so I should see a process nfs-common? |
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| 21:20.10 | tictac | gtigene: no. |
| 21:20.13 | deadcat | i am trying to recover my email passwd for my dsl account on the router as well. |
| 21:20.16 | synstar | Hi - i have installed my nvidia driver finally- and i see the logo at startup. But my KDE menu still takes up half the screen and i can bearly read whats on this channel. How can i improve this? |
| 21:20.20 | softrat | ooop -- be back soon |
| 21:20.23 | deadcat | gtigene: i guess. |
| 21:20.42 | directhex | synstar, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, pick some more appropriate resolutions for your screen |
| 21:20.43 | Cyberax | Ungy: I've compiled kernels loads of times and 5 times on debian, but in deb I've always compiled with the stock kernels |
| 21:20.46 | tictac | synstar: use a smaller resolution? |
| 21:20.47 | csmiller | back. redmond did reboot my pc |
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| 21:21.02 | valdyn | xpato: nice is processes running at at nice priority, system is cpu used by your kernel |
| 21:21.05 | gtigene | deadcat: I cannot understand it. I have set up nfs clients successfully before but now with this new system I am fubar |
| 21:21.34 | baikonur | valdyn: no, does discover tell me if the detected hardware is supported by a certain kernel? |
| 21:21.42 | Ungy | Cyberax whatever floats your boat |
| 21:21.49 | csmiller | do you need to do dist-update on stable? |
| 21:21.52 | anubis_EOA | i've mounted an 80GB sata hard drive and gnome on debian sarge is showing it as 69.6GB is this just an upper limit in displayed size or was the partition not maximized?? |
| 21:21.52 | valdyn | baikonur: it loads the appropriate module if it knows the device |
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| 21:22.01 | gtigene | deadcat: Oh I get it. The client also has to have entries in hosts.allow, right? |
| 21:22.04 | deadcat | gtigene: that would be weird. because once you have those packages. nfs should be no problem. showmount -e serverip |
| 21:22.05 | Ungy | csmiller what is dist-update? |
| 21:22.17 | deadcat | gtigene: default is allow |
| 21:22.24 | csmiller | fdisk -l will print the partion table (or is it -p ? ) |
| 21:22.31 | Ungy | csmiller if you are moving from woody to sarge you shoudl dist-upgrade yes |
| 21:22.48 | gtigene | deadcat: showmount -e tells me "RPC: Program is not registered" |
| 21:22.59 | deadcat | gtigene: theres your problem. |
| 21:23.02 | tictac | heh |
| 21:23.06 | Ungy | csmiller otherwise you will notice many packages being held back on upgrades |
| 21:23.10 | valdyn | anubis_EOA: doesnt seem to be the complete disk |
| 21:23.11 | csmiller | ungy - for normal stable updates I meant. I know when I'm tracking testing dist-update is needed |
| 21:23.40 | baikonur | valdyn: I haven't compiled the kernel yet, I want to know it before |
| 21:23.41 | gtigene | deadcat: Is it saying that mount is not registered? |
| 21:23.48 | Ungy | csmiller if yoru on stable nope not unless they just released a new version |
| 21:23.54 | strobedream | does anyone know of any good papers on remote desktop and bind |
| 21:23.57 | deadcat | gtigene: you sure you have portmap on both machine? |
| 21:24.02 | directhex | anubis_EOA, there should be a 7.34% discrepancy due to base 10/ base 2 conversion |
| 21:24.02 | valdyn | baikonur: use google then |
| 21:24.30 | vladster | this whole thing started when I installed tor |
| 21:24.58 | baikonur | valdyn: was not really successfull, I wonder why kernel.org does not have a list of supported hardware |
| 21:24.58 | PerfDave | SmallR2002: Sorry, was AFK. Have you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/laptop-net ? |
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| 21:25.17 | gtigene | deadcat: portmap is running on both machines. I can see it is ps and also in rpcinfo |
| 21:25.55 | csmiller | ungy - thanks. I knew "dist" was for when you are updated to a new distro - and it allows new packages to help complete the update. But I wasn't sure if there would be the occasional stable update that actually needed it - altough it shouldn't be needed |
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| 21:26.10 | vladster | Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:8118 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 21:26.16 | SmallR2002 | PerfDave, i was looking for a man entry >., |
| 21:26.33 | csmiller | 127.0.0.1 is your own machine |
| 21:26.35 | deadcat | gtigene: and you can ping each other? try showmount -e localhost on the servermachine |
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| 21:26.40 | lef | I got a debian server and it has this source.list: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/878 It has both sarge and etch entries...is this correct? |
| 21:27.05 | bucky | run sarge |
| 21:27.09 | directhex | lef, no, it's wrongh and stupid |
| 21:27.18 | FinnTux | so, has there been any horror stories about woody-> sarge upgrade? |
| 21:27.18 | deadcat | lef: you;ve been owned. |
| 21:27.27 | lef | what shall I do? comment out either sarge line or the etch lines? |
| 21:27.30 | gtigene | showmount -e localhost on the server does not show the client |
| 21:27.35 | directhex | FinnTux, many from people who didn't read the release notes |
| 21:27.36 | lef | deadcat, I just got the server from the provider |
| 21:27.40 | PerfDave | FinnTux: Only from people who didn't read the release notes. |
| 21:27.45 | directhex | lef, you're runnign etch. |
| 21:27.46 | Azar | FinnTux, my brand new installation was rooted and compromised |
| 21:28.01 | lef | directhex, how can you tell? |
| 21:28.25 | FinnTux | ok, good to know |
| 21:28.32 | directhex | lef, what does /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/preferences contain? |
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| 21:28.39 | bbrazil | Azar: shorewall |
| 21:28.51 | hkais | anyone here with a howto for enabling speedstep on a ibm t42p? |
| 21:29.05 | Azar | bbrazil I am not handy with these new firewalls, I tried shorewall but no way I can understand how to configure |
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| 21:29.19 | lef | directhex, there is no apt.conf on the machine |
| 21:29.24 | csmiller | have you looked at smoothwall ? |
| 21:29.28 | directhex | lef, and /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 21:29.32 | Azar | bbrazil, yes I read man and documentation, I cannot understand |
| 21:29.40 | lef | directhex, no :/ |
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| 21:30.07 | dfinn | WAY OT HERE, but does anyone know of any good mac related IRC channels. My GF just bought a ibook and I got some questions. |
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| 21:30.12 | lef | directhex, starting with sources.list. Shall I comment out the sarge lines? |
| 21:30.22 | valdyn | Azar: apt-cache show firestarter |
| 21:30.23 | Azar | my thought is that linux - Sarge or whatever distro gets hacked really fast "at installation and upgrade time" there is no protection |
| 21:30.30 | directhex | lef, then you're runnig an etch machine. the sarge lines and security line are superfluous |
| 21:30.30 | Varg__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.36 | mrfrenzy | dfinn: try /list | grep mac |
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| 21:30.39 | Azar | valdyn I have no X |
| 21:30.56 | directhex | hang on, they have sarge non-us? |
| 21:31.03 | Azar | I am literally scared to download, upgrade, install anything at this point |
| 21:31.06 | directhex | lef, your hosts are fucking retarded debian admins |
| 21:31.12 | dfinn | i thought they had dropped the non-us repos |
| 21:31.17 | Varg__ | how can I get KDE 3.4.1 from experimental to autodetect plugged-in USB sticks? I have udev+hal+pmount installed, am member of plugdev and hal and still it won't work |
| 21:31.25 | valdyn | Azar: that's just bullshit, upgrading does not lessen security |
| 21:31.32 | craigevil | non-us rep do not work anymore |
| 21:31.33 | teun | dfinn: try #macosx |
| 21:31.40 | dfinn | thanks |
| 21:31.43 | PerfDave | Varg__: Does KDE 3.4 use udev? I thought it used dnotice. |
| 21:31.47 | Azar | valdyn ftp ummm ftp |
| 21:31.51 | [Granger] | uhh |
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| 21:31.58 | [Granger] | do we support packages from experimental? |
| 21:32.00 | bbrazil | Azar: all you have to setup is interfaces,zones,policy and rules |
| 21:32.05 | csmiller | azar - debian doesn't start services untill the latest version of the server is installed (cd installs) |
| 21:32.06 | valdyn | Azar: downloading via ftp isnt insecure |
| 21:32.10 | bbrazil | (in that order) |
| 21:32.10 | moyix | hkais: googling for speedstep t42p linux gave me plenty of results that looked relevant. probably "modprobe speedstep-centrino" |
| 21:32.15 | Varg__ | PerfDave, does it? |
| 21:32.24 | Azar | bbrazil I read the documentation I do not understand tcp/ip terminology |
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| 21:32.26 | PerfDave | Varg__: I didn't think it used udev. |
| 21:32.26 | directhex | centrinos? i know about speedstepping those |
| 21:32.28 | lef | directhex, most probably yes. I will have plenty of things to configure I guess |
| 21:32.32 | directhex | what's the problem? |
| 21:32.33 | PerfDave | Varg__: Maybe ask #debian-kde :) |
| 21:32.40 | PerfDave | Varg__: Or wait for the packages to hit sid/sarge :) |
| 21:32.42 | bbrazil | Azar: ah, try the net howtos on tldp.org |
| 21:32.42 | lef | directhex, I need to get rid of webmin too. They have installed that too |
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| 21:33.00 | Azar | how many who install Debian have to learn about packet headers, subnet masks ..etc? |
| 21:33.05 | Azar | only the gurus |
| 21:33.15 | directhex | hkais, what is the EXACT model of processor in your laptop? |
| 21:33.34 | Varg__ | PerfDave, to be honest, I've never heard of "dnotice" either :) |
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| 21:33.53 | gtigene | deadcat, all who helped: I had the wrong ip address. Forgive me for being so dumb. |
| 21:33.55 | Azar | I blocked all the ports that is all I could do so far |
| 21:34.02 | Azar | in and out |
| 21:34.18 | valdyn | Azar: you're on irc |
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| 21:34.22 | intelchips | I'm newbie and I'm trying to understand why when I enter file management as admin I can't creat a new text file in /etc/apt? |
| 21:34.29 | directhex | our survey says... Pentium M 745 (1.8Ghz Dothan) |
| 21:34.30 | Azar | valdyn with another box |
| 21:34.30 | Zerohero | hello |
| 21:34.33 | csmiller | interl 0 are you root? |
| 21:34.38 | Eulex | valdyn: hehe |
| 21:34.39 | PerfDave | intelchips: "enter file management as admin"? |
| 21:34.41 | Zerohero | it seems my samba is blocked after the 3.1 upgrade |
| 21:34.41 | Azar | Sarge box is on my left : sitting |
| 21:34.43 | syllable | when i try to install some packages, i get an error stating: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_testing_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages | cat: var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_testing_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages: No such file or directory |
| 21:34.45 | syllable | any help? |
| 21:34.47 | gtigene | intelchips: ls -ld /etc |
| 21:34.51 | intelchips | I'm in as admin |
| 21:34.53 | Zerohero | is there an easy way to open it up? |
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| 21:35.03 | intelchips | I see where I can make a new folder |
| 21:35.08 | intelchips | but nothing about files |
| 21:35.11 | valdyn | Azar: did you find out how you got rooted? |
| 21:35.15 | craigevil | syllable: ecth does not have security updates at least not yet |
| 21:35.22 | craigevil | etch |
| 21:35.32 | directhex | hkais, debian cannot do cpu frequency scaling on that processor, last i checked. you can _TRY_ apt-get install powernowd && modprobe speedstep-centrino && modprobe cpufreq-userspace |
| 21:35.39 | Azar | valdyn the night before bruteforce scans I could see at my router level |
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| 21:35.47 | syllable | craigevil: ok, thanks. is there anyway to install the package without apt-get? im new to this |
| 21:35.53 | csmiller | syllable - have you done apt-get update ? - sounds like your avail. package list is corrupt |
| 21:35.58 | myren | are there any good programs for playing around with FFT and waveforms? |
| 21:35.59 | PerfDave | syllable: Are you running Sarge, or Etch? |
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| 21:36.05 | myren | i'm looking to do some echo cancellation work |
| 21:36.05 | syllable | Sarge actually |
| 21:36.10 | directhex | hkais, but like i said, last i checked, debian kernels would not do CPU frequency scaling on Dothan-core processors, such as the Pentium M 745 in your laptop |
| 21:36.10 | valdyn | Azar: just a portscan? |
| 21:36.11 | Azar | next day, when I rebooted after a test it crashed missing GNU open source writghts files |
| 21:36.19 | craigevil | just comment out the seurity rep for testing. The apt should work |
| 21:36.28 | Eulex | syllable: if you haven't changed your sources.list, you're on etch |
| 21:36.29 | PerfDave | syllable: I'm guessing you installed Debian 3.1r0, rather than 3.1r0a. Change "testing" to "sarge" in /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update. |
| 21:36.32 | lilwade_ | hey i was wanderin does anyone know the link off hand for Debians supported hardware list for debian 3.1 ? |
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| 21:36.40 | Azar | valdyn, 3 weeks ago again /var directory removed |
| 21:36.42 | syllable | ok, thanks PerfDave |
| 21:36.44 | PerfDave | lilwade_: Hardware is supported by kernels, not distributions. |
| 21:36.46 | Azar | not by me ofcourse |
| 21:36.52 | directhex | !tell lilwade_ about sarge hardware support |
| 21:36.57 | myren | this frakking xterm is not copying to clipboard when i select text |
| 21:36.59 | myren | fscker |
| 21:37.04 | directhex | PerfDave, but kernels are patched by kernel distributors |
| 21:37.12 | hkais | moyix and directhex: modprobe speedstep-centrino results a unsupported cpu |
| 21:37.12 | hkais | cpuinfo: |
| 21:37.12 | hkais | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| 21:37.12 | hkais | cpu family : 6 |
| 21:37.12 | hkais | model : 13 |
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| 21:37.18 | valdyn | Azar: yes, but how did he get in? |
| 21:37.28 | directhex | PerfDave, e.g. tg3 works in upstream 2.6.8 but not debian 2.6.8 |
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| 21:37.35 | sprink | hmm. installing java is a pain in the ass the bot doesn't give enough detail on how to do it for 3.1 |
| 21:37.36 | Eulex | heh |
| 21:37.40 | directhex | why did he paste that shit? |
| 21:37.48 | Azar | its ok I can reinstall with no fear but the POINT is: Debian Sarge should not be vulnerable to net attacks at any time during installation and after |
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| 21:38.12 | PerfDave | Azar: "at any time during installation and after"? I'd like to see the distro which can say that. |
| 21:38.12 | directhex | why? i already told him what cpu he had. i know more about his laptop than him. i explained what was likely to happen before he tried it |
| 21:38.13 | Azar | valdyn this I would not know |
| 21:38.15 | directhex | idiocy annoys me |
| 21:38.18 | lilwade_ | i was just trying to find out if an ati all in wander card was supported |
| 21:38.19 | valdyn | Azar: no, you need to find out if its debians fault first. |
| 21:38.21 | Azar | valdyn all I can do is sit and watch |
| 21:38.21 | csmiller | does deb. start famd with a 0.0.0.0 server by default? |
| 21:38.22 | craigevil | any system is vulnerable until you put security in place |
| 21:38.24 | intelchips | gtigene, sorry to be a pain but are you saying to forget file mananger and do it in console? |
| 21:38.24 | lilwade_ | for tv out, tv, in etc |
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| 21:38.31 | directhex | lilwade_, ati do not support the tv features under linux |
| 21:38.36 | bbrazil | PerfDave: openbsd iirc |
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| 21:38.49 | lilwade_ | even with the tv out driver ??? you can download via apt-get |
| 21:38.55 | hkais | directhex: i was kicked, due too flood.... |
| 21:38.55 | directhex | lilwade_, the GATOS driver can do the tv on some AIW cards, but you can't combine 3d-capable and tv-capable drivers |
| 21:39.14 | PerfDave | bbrazil: If OpenBSD are claiming that they will *never* have a remote exploit in the future, then they're full of shit. I think they're far too sensible to make any such claim. |
| 21:39.16 | directhex | lilwade_, however, my sources at ATI HQ say they will be fixing this soon enough |
| 21:39.20 | directhex | hkais, i noticed. |
| 21:39.21 | lilwade_ | ok |
| 21:39.30 | lilwade_ | just wandering if the card was worth my money |
| 21:39.33 | directhex | hkais, it's kernel patch time |
| 21:39.33 | bbrazil | PerfDave: but they do claim to have only had one in the default install in the past 8 years |
| 21:39.36 | directhex | lilwade_, for what?? |
| 21:39.42 | lilwade_ | just for tv out.... |
| 21:39.48 | PerfDave | bbrazil: That's got nothing to do with what Azar was claiming though. |
| 21:39.50 | [Granger] | lilwade_: why buy ati when you're gonna run Linux? |
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| 21:39.55 | directhex | lilwade_, a £20 geforce fx 5200 will do tv out |
| 21:39.57 | Azar | well sorry |
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| 21:40.12 | Azar | my fault that I do not know how to secure it |
| 21:40.12 | lilwade_ | how much for that card, and is it 4x compatible ? |
| 21:40.23 | Azar | and maybe I won't be able to do that ever |
| 21:40.24 | directhex | 4x ? |
| 21:40.30 | marstewel | !info gradm2 |
| 21:40.33 | dpkg | gradm2: (Administration program for the grsecurity2 RBAC based ACL system), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 140 kB, Installed size: 440 kB |
| 21:40.44 | csmiller | 20 UKP ~= 30 EUR ~= 30 USD |
| 21:40.54 | directhex | closer to 35 usd |
| 21:40.55 | hkais | directhex, have you patched your kernel, or upgraded to 2.6.11.12? |
| 21:41.19 | lilwade_ | the card you said is 35 bucks ? |
| 21:41.19 | directhex | hkais, on my dothan machines? i patched one, i installed ubuntu on the other |
| 21:41.25 | Azar | I guess I can live with Debian off-line |
| 21:41.33 | csmiller | azar - what ports do you have open? - use netstat or nmap |
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| 21:41.55 | directhex | lilwade_, about that, on direct price conversion. possibly cheaper natively, without UK taxes |
| 21:41.58 | Azar | csmiller some helpers showed me two days ago how to close all ports |
| 21:42.03 | Azar | now they are all closed |
| 21:42.05 | nvz | yay! my security updates on my wireless network are complete. now all the school kids with their iBooks with builtin Airport cards will have to guess my ESSID, steal a WEP key, and spoof a mac address if they want on my network |
| 21:42.13 | Azar | but I unplugged the connection so to be sure |
| 21:42.22 | PerfDave | nvz: Because any of those are really hard ;) |
| 21:42.23 | lilwade_ | understandable directthex |
| 21:42.29 | xsE | nvz: gratz ;) |
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| 21:42.51 | hkais | hehe, i cannot switch easily to ubuntu. I need IBM products, and that was not easy to get them work under deb (Websphere 5.0.x, 5.1.x and WSAD 5..1) |
| 21:43.09 | nvz | PerfDave: its better than wide-open, and since every house on the block has unprotected access points, as I live in a digital school district, its highly unlikely someone would make the effort |
| 21:43.11 | csmiller | azar - unless you have a rootkit installed by someone - your machine should be secure enough |
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| 21:43.30 | syllable | i installed zip, but when i go to open a file, it says "The utility zip is not in your PATH." how would i fix this? |
| 21:43.32 | Eulex | nvz: try adding wpa too |
| 21:43.39 | dsl787 | hi |
| 21:43.40 | nvz | PerfDave: not to mention we own two properties and there is a fence the whole way around, and the wireless pretty much doesnt go past there anyhow |
| 21:43.42 | PerfDave | syllable: How did you "install zip"? |
| 21:43.46 | PerfDave | nvz: Nah, they'll go for the hardest system to crack, since it'll obviously have the most interesting data behind it ;) |
| 21:43.49 | syllable | apt-get install zip |
| 21:44.08 | nvz | Eulex: its not an option, we have a fucking Motorola SBG900, and they dont support it, and dont even seem to support firmware upgrades |
| 21:44.09 | lilwade_ | directhex, does your card actually work for tv out ? |
| 21:44.18 | lilwade_ | like have you tested it out before ? |
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| 21:44.41 | dsl787 | I get error21 from grub because (?) I installed to hde which is connected via a special controllercard (which was recoginzed by linux but not my bios). Anyone knows a solution (using Lilo?how?) ? |
| 21:44.43 | nvz | PerfDave: heh well if I see someone in my yard with a computer they are getting shot, survivors will be shot again |
| 21:45.09 | directhex | lilwade_, i've tested several cards' tv out capabilities |
| 21:45.11 | valdyn | dsl787: use a device your bios knows to boot. |
| 21:45.11 | PerfDave | nvz: I shall make a note to hack your network at night, in camoflague :) |
| 21:45.30 | lilwade_ | do they work well ? |
| 21:45.31 | directhex | lilwade_, the radeon i tested had good picture quality with the VESA driver, but would not display using the ati driver |
| 21:45.35 | csmiller | syballe - that is the correct way to install it. what app is reporting that error message? |
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| 21:45.43 | nvz | heh, you could probably do it. my yard looks like a jungle right now, you could lay low under one of the decks or something |
| 21:45.43 | lilwade_ | oh ok |
| 21:45.50 | syllable | csmiller: im using ark |
| 21:45.50 | dsl787 | valdyn, is grub that limited? feels wrong |
| 21:45.51 | xsE | PerfDave: i have a dirty black camoflague jacket if you wanna borrow :D |
| 21:46.00 | PerfDave | Is WPA implemented at the driver level or in hardware? |
| 21:46.03 | Assid | hey whats the name of the app that gets run as soon as we install debian.. the one that asks which kind of applications we want to install.. like workstation.. compilers.. etc |
| 21:46.06 | lilwade_ | i just thought i would buy tha ATI just cuz of the price the guy was giving me..... but im guessing if it doesnt work.... i prolly wont use it |
| 21:46.14 | dsl787 | valdynthe MBR is on a recoginzed hd after al |
| 21:46.22 | mrfrenzy | nvz: why not wpa? I can crack your wep in ten minutes |
| 21:46.25 | valdyn | dsl787: grub cannot make the bios load grub |
| 21:46.25 | directhex | lilwade_, i'd use a geforce personally. |
| 21:46.30 | lilwade_ | ya |
| 21:46.31 | mrfrenzy | wep is just false security imo |
| 21:46.49 | lilwade_ | i just have an old old, nvidia TNT2 with 8mb, so i thought i would upgrade cuz its kinda old |
| 21:46.49 | Eulex | wep can be cracked in 5 mins |
| 21:46.57 | valdyn | dsl787: so *obviously* you can only start from a bios-recognised device |
| 21:47.01 | xsE | Eulex: with which tool? ;) |
| 21:47.04 | nvz | mrfrenzy: I just said WPA isnt an option I have a Motorola Surfboard Wireless Gateway/Modem, and it doesnt even seem to support firmware updates |
| 21:47.05 | xophEr | When I upgrade my kernel, what am I to do afterwards, so that nothing is broken etc? |
| 21:47.16 | dsl787 | valdyn I see that. Do you if I can use lilo instead? |
| 21:47.25 | PerfDave | nvz: Just use an IPCop box ;) |
| 21:47.26 | csmiller | syllable - ark is part of KDE. I'm not sure why it shouldn't be working, but you might need apt-get instal unzip - zip creates them, unzip extracts them |
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| 21:47.38 | valdyn | dsl787: you could write a device driver for grub and your controller ;) |
| 21:47.44 | directhex | lilwade_, the tvout on a tnt2 would be ugly |
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| 21:47.48 | Eulex | xsE: maybe not five minutes, but you can do it pretty quick with aircrack if you manage to cause enough traffic on the network |
| 21:47.52 | syllable | csmiller: thanks, ill try that out |
| 21:47.52 | omry | I am having a little problem seting up tc "default" filter, that should let any packet that wasn't caught by previous filters work. I tried something like "tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent $INET_QUEUE prio 2 flowid $INET_DEFAULT_QUEUE" but it tells me that flowid is not a filter name. |
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| 21:47.59 | directhex | lilwade_, a geforce 4 or higher should give reasonable image quality |
| 21:48.07 | xsE | Eulex: cool ;) |
| 21:48.16 | lilwade_ | ya i understand my card doesnt even support TV out right now LOL |
| 21:48.18 | dsl787 | valdyn yay |
| 21:48.21 | valdyn | dsl787: seriously though, no. your kernel must be on a device that is supported / detected by your bios. |
| 21:48.23 | lilwade_ | its a pretty crappy card |
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| 21:48.27 | mrfrenzy | nvz: get yourself a router for $60 and just use the modem as a modem |
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| 21:48.52 | syllable | csmiller: thanks! that did the job |
| 21:48.53 | nvz | mrfrenzy: Disabling ESSID, changing the ESSID to something other than Motorola, enabling WEP, and MAC Address Filtering was the best options I had on that device.. not to mention like I said, we own to properties surrounded by a fence, the signal doesnt reach very far beyond that point.. I dont need my wireless to be more secure than the rest of the network. |
| 21:48.56 | valdyn | dsl787: s/kernel/kernel and bootloader/ |
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| 21:49.06 | nvz | I will still be employing security on my system you know |
| 21:49.09 | Assid | umm does anyone remember the application that is run as soon as the basic install of debian is complete |
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| 21:49.19 | dsl787 | valdyn can I maybe just add /boot on a recognized hd and mount root to the 'secret' hd? |
| 21:49.19 | csmiller | syllable - np |
| 21:49.24 | valdyn | Assid: tasksel? |
| 21:49.31 | valdyn | dsl787: sure |
| 21:49.33 | bucky | Assid, tasksel ? |
| 21:49.38 | red22 | if you have an athlon64, how far do you figure the x86 install would go before something bad happened? |
| 21:49.46 | csmiller | syllable - did apt-get install zip suggest unzip? |
| 21:49.48 | XXL | I just got my first debian server and installed cpanel. However, I cannot get intto web host manager using the usual https://ipaddress:2087 - can someon please help me out? |
| 21:49.48 | mngrif | hell, i run an open AP if anyone wants to drive by for free 'net i don't mind |
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| 21:50.00 | mrfrenzy | nvz: are all traffic in your lan encrypted'? |
| 21:50.04 | dsl787 | valdyn thanks. I guess I will try that for I dont wanna give up on my old linux-sys atm |
| 21:50.06 | Azar | csmiller how could I know if I got a rootkit? |
| 21:50.10 | valdyn | red22: till its finished |
| 21:50.15 | Assid | hrmm |
| 21:50.19 | PerfDave | red22: i386 Debian installs perfectly fine on amd64 systems |
| 21:50.23 | nvz | I am getting ready to create a samba shared LVM array, and I only want to share with my family, not the whole school digital district |
| 21:50.31 | nvz | is the only reason I am tightening our security |
| 21:50.43 | synstar | I have made changes to dpkg-reconfigure xserver--xfree86 but my screen size still remains huge. I cant select a higher reolution then 800 x 600 in the control centre. Can i change it else where? |
| 21:50.48 | nvz | I don't buy hard drives for other people to use or abuse |
| 21:50.49 | bucky | red22, mine installed as easy as regular debian.. but you need to have your repository written down and enter it by hand |
| 21:50.54 | lilwade_ | reason im really trying to get a card too, is ive upgraded everything on this pc, from the cpu, the roms/burners, fan, sound card, ram and i wanna do the video as well |
| 21:50.54 | deadcat | i have problem using fbdev2 driver on my ibook. any idea? |
| 21:51.06 | PerfDave | red22: Which is just as well, since the amd64 installer fucked up on my Opteron system. Had to install i386 Debian and cdebootstrap amd64 on :) |
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| 21:51.14 | Assid | hrmm when i run make menuconfig i get a whole list of errors.. alot of them something to do with stderr |
| 21:51.15 | directhex | synstar, have you edited XF86Config-4 by hand? |
| 21:51.17 | XXL | what the heck happened? |
| 21:51.20 | csmiller | azar - the best way is to boot of a CD, and check the md5sums. |
| 21:51.27 | XXL | let me repeat my last request |
| 21:51.28 | Assid | i am trying to install a kernel from source |
| 21:51.31 | PerfDave | synstar: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 21:51.35 | XXL | I just got my first debian server and installed cpanel. However, I cannot get intto web host manager using the usual https://ipaddress:2087 - can someon please help me out? |
| 21:51.44 | PerfDave | Assid: Why are you compiling a kernel from source? |
| 21:51.49 | directhex | red22, you _DO_ know amd64 chips are completely i386 compatible, right? |
| 21:51.54 | Azar | csmiller... thanks |
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| 21:52.05 | red22 | valdyn, perfdave, bucky: my installation segfaults and dies early on in package installation, i thought that maybe the wrong iso was the problem... |
| 21:52.17 | csmiller | sylable - you might want to report a bug against ark (enhancment level), that the error is changed to "... install zip and unzip packages" |
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| 21:52.20 | synstar | i executed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 - answered the questions and then rebooted |
| 21:52.25 | directhex | red22, check your ISO was burnt properly |
| 21:52.38 | red22 | md5 checks out |
| 21:52.38 | directhex | synstar, that wasn't an answer to the question |
| 21:52.41 | valdyn | red22: probably the iso is broken, its not a compatibility issue with your cpu. |
| 21:52.42 | bucky | Assid, apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 21:52.47 | csmiller | azar - a clever root kit might change the md5sum in /var/apt tho |
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| 21:53.01 | green_earz | Assid: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 21:53.05 | Assid | PerfDave: not sure whats happening with my grub or with init.. so i wanna be as safe as possible |
| 21:53.05 | synstar | Yes i have |
| 21:53.18 | Azar | csmiller ok I will look there see if I understand what I see |
| 21:53.19 | tpr | is it possible to deny access to certain dirs and files from just a *single* user? how? |
| 21:53.24 | directhex | !tell synstar about x md5sum |
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| 21:53.42 | PerfDave | Assid: I don't think compiling your own kernel will help. |
| 21:53.50 | nvz | ack these fuckign ants |
| 21:53.56 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 21:54.02 | XXL | anyone? |
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| 21:54.28 | valdyn | tpr: more details.. |
| 21:54.32 | nvz | we got incect problems. I have ants all over my desk tiny ones |
| 21:54.34 | Azar | csmiller there is no /apt in /var |
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| 21:55.00 | tpr | valdyn: if I wanted to deny access to a directory from one specific user, but everyone else could access it, how would I do that |
| 21:55.07 | nvz | they look like keyboard ants |
| 21:55.20 | nvz | as they seem to be comming out of the keyboar |
| 21:55.27 | red22 | directhex: the iso can't be broken if the md5 checks out i think? anyway, the md5 sums match. |
| 21:55.48 | bucky | red22 maybe it's having a hard time with your sata controller |
| 21:55.56 | nvz | == I eat a few freakin pretzels last night, and now I got ants all over my desk |
| 21:55.56 | valdyn | tpr: make a group "dir" or whatever, add everyone but that user member of that group. make that directory group- but not world-readable. |
| 21:56.04 | kreg | i still have my private key, but i messed up my public key. can i generate a new copy of the public key if i have the private, or just start all over? |
| 21:56.05 | csmiller | tpr - you could chown the file to the user, make then u=,go=r, and the directory non-writeable to them. or use ACL |
| 21:56.20 | red22 | directhex: ide, and mandrake and fedora both install w/out a hitch |
| 21:56.29 | csmiller | kreg - if you gave your public key out, just fetch it again |
| 21:56.49 | red22 | don't have sata |
| 21:56.49 | XXL | Am I invisible? |
| 21:56.51 | valdyn | tpr: what you cannot do directly is set "permission denied for userxy" |
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| 21:57.12 | valdyn | !wikifaq tpr permissions |
| 21:57.13 | dpkg | tpr: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:57.14 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.18 | kreg | ah just copy and past the text in ~.ssh/authorized_keys to a new txt file called id_rsa.pub ? |
| 21:57.19 | tpr | valdyn: yeah I figured as much, what csmiller suggested would propably work (denying xs to the user himself) |
| 21:57.25 | red22 | xxl: would love to help but i have no clue |
| 21:57.28 | xophEr | What is the version of etch? like sarge is Debian 3.1 |
| 21:57.37 | craigevil | 3.1 |
| 21:57.46 | bobwJek | hey guys, anyone help me to achieve a permission of rwx - rws - r_x |
| 21:57.47 | xophEr | ok |
| 21:57.50 | Eulex | xophEr, there's no version of etch yet |
| 21:57.50 | XXL | I need help with debian/cpanel |
| 21:57.51 | nvz | xophEr: only stable releases can have version numbers |
| 21:57.51 | csmiller | vadlyn I though owner access took priortiy over group, so setting owner to no-access should stop the user from reading it |
| 21:57.53 | XXL | Anyone? |
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| 21:57.58 | softrat | Crisis Over! I'm back. Now about CUPS ...... |
| 21:58.00 | vali | xophEr: i think it has not version number yet |
| 21:58.04 | Eulex | xophEr, the version is set when etch is released |
| 21:58.08 | xophEr | Eulex, so etch is only 'Debian etch' ? |
| 21:58.18 | valdyn | tpr: an owner of a file can change its permissions |
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| 21:58.19 | Eulex | xophEr, yes |
| 21:58.19 | Azar | XXL I saw your question I have no idea what you talking about,... if that warms you up |
| 21:58.22 | xophEr | ok, thanks |
| 21:58.24 | nvz | xophEr: Etch is "Debian Testing" |
| 21:58.29 | omry | anyone here knows how to use traffic control on linux? tc filter seem to behave a bit differently from all the examples I found on the net. |
| 21:58.30 | tpr | valdyn: good point :) |
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| 21:58.36 | Eulex | nvz: yeah, that too |
| 21:58.42 | tpr | besides, id rather leave the ownership as it is, ill try something else :) |
| 21:58.47 | tpr | and read up on the webbie |
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| 21:59.00 | csmiller | valdyn - of course. I thought marking the directory a read-only would stop that - but it only stops creation/deletion |
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| 21:59.04 | Avno_ | can anyone check this eth0 config file.. http://hashphp.org/pastebin?pid=3798 , please? |
| 21:59.11 | xophEr | nvz, so the most correct description of my debian would be : 'Debian Testing (etch)' ? |
| 21:59.15 | craigevil | Debian Stable 3.1 (Sarge), Debian Testing(etch), Debian unstable (sid) |
| 21:59.24 | softrat | Is there a CUPS guru in the multitude there? |
| 21:59.47 | nvz | xophEr: yes. Etch is just the codename, its Debian Testing |
| 21:59.54 | valdyn | !guru |
| 21:59.54 | dpkg | somebody said guru was (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to ... |
| 22:00.11 | xophEr | ok |
| 22:00.40 | softrat | OK: NOT a Guru, just a person..... |
| 22:00.52 | craigevil | !wizard |
| 22:00.52 | dpkg | hmm... wizard is An enhancement to programs that makes them easier to operate by guiding you through, step by step, what is required to achieve your purpose. at http://www.photo.net/nz/klaus-and-stefan#wizard, or subtle and quick to anger |
| 22:00.58 | valdyn | softrat: just ask your question(s) |
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| 22:01.18 | softrat | I get 'scheduler not responding' from a print request. Help! |
| 22:01.27 | sprink | how can I set a enviourment variable to use a different location for tmp instead of /tmp ? |
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| 22:01.49 | csmiller | do not meddle in the affairs of wizard for they are quick to anger and have no reason to be subtle |
| 22:01.50 | valdyn | sprink: what would be the point of that? |
| 22:02.04 | softrat | How do I induce the scheduling to respond? |
| 22:02.05 | sprink | valdyn, I dont have enough space at /tmp |
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| 22:02.14 | cddesjar | !wizard |
| 22:02.14 | dpkg | wizard is probably An enhancement to programs that makes them easier to operate by guiding you through, step by step, what is required to achieve your purpose. at http://www.photo.net/nz/klaus-and-stefan#wizard, or subtle and quick to anger |
| 22:02.16 | csmiller | ln -s /var/tmp /tmp |
| 22:02.20 | nvz | valdyn: do make your system non-FHS compliant of course |
| 22:02.20 | sprink | thx |
| 22:02.23 | xophEr | its safe to edit my /etc/debian_version right? |
| 22:02.24 | nvz | s/do/to/ |
| 22:02.33 | valdyn | ! |
| 22:02.35 | PerfDave | xophEr: Why would you do that? |
| 22:02.40 | empty | xophEr, To what end? |
| 22:03.06 | empty | PerfDave, it's the one-byte upgrade :D |
| 22:03.07 | softrat | valdyn: do you do CUPS? |
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| 22:03.24 | xophEr | so that my mighty irc-script /distro will say 'Debian Testing' instead of 'Debian 3.1' .. |
| 22:03.26 | xophEr | :) |
| 22:03.34 | Assid | hrmm.. whats a flash chip? |
| 22:03.46 | shizz | can somebody tell me what this means "# apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 22:03.46 | shizz | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." |
| 22:03.47 | csmiller | var is used for queues - be careful if your machine is a server |
| 22:03.50 | PerfDave | xophEr: But Debian 3.1 isn't testing ;) |
| 22:03.53 | xophEr | What is the file needed for anyway? |
| 22:03.57 | nvz | xophEr: loose the fucking script, and set the command to /say Debian Testing, ffs |
| 22:04.04 | xophEr | PerfDave, but Im running testing. |
| 22:04.14 | csmiller | aaasid - a type of EEPROM used for storing data/microcode |
| 22:04.18 | xophEr | nvz, but what is the file used for ? |
| 22:04.28 | PerfDave | xophEr: I wouldn't change it manually. It might not be safe. |
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| 22:04.52 | xophEr | hm ok, what changes it then? |
| 22:04.54 | csmiller | the same as in CF cards, etc |
| 22:05.04 | PerfDave | xophEr: MAgic |
| 22:05.10 | xophEr | wow |
| 22:05.22 | Assid | right |
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| 22:05.26 | PerfDave | xophEr: Generally, upgrades to base-files |
| 22:05.31 | csmiller | assid - why? |
| 22:05.34 | xophEr | oh |
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| 22:05.41 | mngrif | wow. according to the CIA there is 5 oceans. what happened to the other 2? |
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| 22:05.52 | softrat | PerfDave, In Re: 'testing' vs 'sarge' vs 'etch': Clearly the ducks are NOT all lined up yet, |
| 22:06.04 | avu | the bombed them, mngrif, now they're fubar |
| 22:06.06 | csmiller | depends if the Atlantic and Pacific are split in two |
| 22:06.07 | benjamindees | has anyone else seen i810 drm errors (x restarting) with Sarge? |
| 22:06.26 | Assid | csmiller: just curious |
| 22:06.26 | empty | shizz it means dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 22:06.37 | nvz | xophEr: lets put it this way, are you the system administrator? |
| 22:06.42 | softrat | csmiller, Is the Arctic Ocean gone dry then? |
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| 22:06.49 | xophEr | nvz, yes |
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| 22:07.11 | nvz | xophEr: then with the power invested in you by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standards, you have the right to edit that file |
| 22:07.15 | sobersabre | what is nfs file size limit ? |
| 22:07.16 | csmiller | assid - flash is also used for the BIOS settings. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/flash for details about how flash works |
| 22:07.27 | empty | xophEr, that is a *dumb* think to fuck with for the sake of your l33t-o n3@t-0 irc shite |
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| 22:07.37 | empty | think/thing |
| 22:07.38 | xophEr | empty, I know :) |
| 22:07.50 | nvz | xophEr: its in /etc which is for static non-sharable files to be edited only by the system administrator |
| 22:07.50 | Azar | papa bb! :P |
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| 22:07.59 | softrat | CUPS Question --How do I induce the scheduling to respond? |
| 22:07.59 | Eulex | !l33t |
| 22:07.59 | dpkg | methinks l33t is emmett, or core, or jeramy. Ben Herrenschmidt, or lordknow1 or Nero. Pi, or a categorization reserved for lame script kiddies, or apt, or definitely another way to say luser |
| 22:08.01 | tiagoooo | help me!!!!! i have a scanjet 3670, how i can use!!? |
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| 22:08.06 | softrat | Ooop |
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| 22:08.14 | softrat | CUPS Question --How do I induce the scheduler to respond? |
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| 22:08.15 | xophEr | nvz, I got the point. thank you :) |
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| 22:08.39 | craigevil | Some consider the Arctic, Atlantic, Indian, and Pacific to be the world's four oceans. |
| 22:08.42 | empty | PerfDave, bet you can sell it on eBay |
| 22:08.45 | Eulex | perfdave: potato? |
| 22:08.48 | csmiller | +antartic |
| 22:08.51 | PerfDave | Eulex: That'st he one :) |
| 22:08.59 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:09.04 | benjamindees | sobersabre, nfs v3 supports 64 bit file sizes |
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| 22:09.49 | softrat | CUPS Question --How do I induce the scheduler to respond? |
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| 22:11.03 | OldakQuill | Hi. I netinst Debian. Then installed KDE. I am get logged into the shell |
| 22:11.10 | sprink | I have /tmp on its on partition for no real reason and didn't give it enough space. is there a way I can delete the partition with in debian? |
| 22:11.13 | bigbill52a | another dead dell...hundreds have failed with bad power supplies..right after the warranty... |
| 22:11.24 | OldakQuill | I type "startx" and it can't find some files to do with X11 |
| 22:11.30 | sprink | s/on/own |
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| 22:11.36 | PerfDave | OldakQuill: Did you install X, or just KDE? :) |
| 22:11.38 | bobbens | OldakQuill: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 22:11.43 | eeyore- | bigbill52a: dead power supplies, dead hard drives, dead panels, you name it :-) |
| 22:11.44 | benjamindees | bigbill52a, using windows or linux? |
| 22:11.47 | drac | OldakQuill: x-window-system-core |
| 22:11.48 | empty | sprink: umount it then remove/comment it in /etc/fstab |
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| 22:11.55 | bigbill52a | both...on debian now |
| 22:12.03 | OldakQuill | Just KDE |
| 22:12.12 | OldakQuill | I'll go do that, thanks |
| 22:12.14 | empty | sprink, then make sure it has the sticky bit still but it should |
| 22:12.14 | PerfDave | OldakQuill: Then you need to install X as well, if you want to run KDE on a local X server :) |
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| 22:12.37 | benjamindees | so, replace all power supplies a week before the warranty expires :) |
| 22:12.39 | bigbill52a | debian - 90% windows 10%... |
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| 22:12.54 | cddesjar | debian 100% here |
| 22:13.05 | cddesjar | what do you need windows for? |
| 22:13.10 | binaryc | my mp3s only output to 2 channels and the sub, is there anyway i can duplicate the output to the satalites, so i have psueudo surround sound ? |
| 22:13.11 | dx11101 | games |
| 22:13.20 | cddesjar | cedega |
| 22:13.23 | bigbill52a | printer doesnt work in debian..and my logitech camera...so sometimes need both..lol |
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| 22:13.26 | js | i need windows for audio production, but thats it |
| 22:13.44 | softrat | cddesjar: 25 years of Quicken data! |
| 22:13.46 | bigbill52a | linux is unobtrusive... |
| 22:13.47 | benjamindees | lots of audio people interested in Linux lately I notice |
| 22:13.52 | sprink | it says device is busy. do I have to log out of X to do this? |
| 22:13.53 | cddesjar | have you tried to mount your camera like a regular usb drive |
| 22:14.04 | binaryc | i only use windows to walk people through virus and malware removal, i dont do it often enough to do it by memory |
| 22:14.07 | cddesjar | can use quicken with crossoffice |
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| 22:14.21 | benjamindees | did MS start enforcing their DRM or what? |
| 22:14.22 | dx11101 | yeah because audio software prices are inflated beyond what they are worth |
| 22:14.26 | empty | sprink, yeah |
| 22:14.30 | bigbill52a | one camera works...as drives...so far no cam out of either... |
| 22:14.38 | empty | sprink, in fact I would do it from singleuser |
| 22:14.40 | Tiberio | Hi, How to mount my Cyber-shot's fs ... I am trying, this mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera ... but .. dont work |
| 22:14.40 | dx11101 | DRM cant be enforced until its in your hardware |
| 22:14.45 | softrat | cddesjar: HA! I'm a skeptic about my financial records. |
| 22:14.47 | Azar | benjamindees: Intel, not MS |
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| 22:14.54 | bigbill52a | what is drm? |
| 22:15.02 | dx11101 | evil |
| 22:15.14 | bigbill52a | use only amd here |
| 22:15.16 | benjamindees | bigbill52a, digital restrictions management, google tcpa |
| 22:15.17 | empty | bigbill52a, Digital Rights Management |
| 22:15.32 | sprink | empty, if I umount it and remove it from fstab will it be reallocated to another partition? |
| 22:15.35 | dx11101 | Digital Rights Managment or Digital Restrictions management, im not sure which is the official |
| 22:15.36 | bigbill52a | i only use amd... |
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| 22:15.54 | dx11101 | AMD will adopt DRM if they want Windows Longhorn to work |
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| 22:15.58 | bigbill52a | if intel does that more will switch to amd |
| 22:16.04 | empty | bigbill52a, Imagine buying a book from Borders then having Borders follow you around and only let you read it at your house or a Borders coffee shop |
| 22:16.06 | softrat | spink: Nope! |
| 22:16.07 | cddesjar | what year of quicken? |
| 22:16.15 | bigbill52a | rfid chips... |
| 22:16.17 | empty | sprink, it will fall back to / |
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| 22:16.21 | cddesjar | quicken 2002-2004 all have silver ratings using crossoffice |
| 22:16.29 | cddesjar | but 2005 is only a bronze :( |
| 22:16.29 | softrat | spink: Unless it is defined somewhere else..... |
| 22:16.38 | empty | sprink, oh you mean the HD space |
| 22:16.42 | dx11101 | Microsoft wont let AMD nullify DRM |
| 22:16.44 | sprink | empty, sorry. how could I put it under /home ? |
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| 22:16.51 | bigbill52a | the entire world is turning fascist... |
| 22:16.52 | Azar | cddesjar, did you installed a firewall? |
| 22:16.56 | softrat | spink: If it is defined under /. |
| 22:16.57 | dx11101 | if AMD doesnt follow suit, Longhorn features wont work with AMD |
| 22:17.00 | empty | sprink, What, the extra space from /tmp? |
| 22:17.04 | sprink | empty, yes. I made the tmp partition too small |
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| 22:17.07 | Tiberio | hi, Can somebody help me with my digital camera? |
| 22:17.09 | benjamindees | so buy quicken 2004, it's like $10 |
| 22:17.15 | cddesjar | me? no...why? |
| 22:17.22 | sprink | softrat, my name isn't spink |
| 22:17.28 | sprink | ;) |
| 22:17.30 | empty | sprink, you need parted or qtparted to do that |
| 22:17.33 | Azar | cddsejar, because I need one friendly for newbies like me, I thought you got one |
| 22:17.36 | cddesjar | you could quicken free off a good bit torrent site ;) |
| 22:17.40 | empty | sprink, *after* you kill it |
| 22:17.46 | cddesjar | like oink or the pirates bay |
| 22:17.49 | softrat | sprink: ooops. Sorry. |
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| 22:18.06 | Azar | dx11101 did you got a firewall? |
| 22:18.11 | cddesjar | no i don't. sorry |
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| 22:18.16 | dx11101 | hardware |
| 22:18.21 | dx11101 | no software atm |
| 22:18.22 | cddesjar | bit torrents are great |
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| 22:18.32 | cddesjar | does debian have an azureus package? |
| 22:18.35 | Azar | dx11101 my D-Link does not work with linux |
| 22:18.37 | bigbill52a | so i guess no more free music....? |
| 22:18.39 | softrat | Does anyone here use CUPS? |
| 22:18.44 | cddesjar | i use cups |
| 22:18.49 | awb | Hello! Is anybody here who has a recommendation for SATA RAID controllers for Debian? |
| 22:18.50 | cddesjar | do you need help? |
| 22:18.59 | dx11101 | no DHCP or just no work |
| 22:18.59 | softrat | YES! |
| 22:19.06 | sprink | empty, I don't want to resize it I just sort of want a quick fix. I tried to make a link from /tmp to point to /home/sprink/tmp but when I use ln -s /home/sprink/tmp /tmp it makes the link in /tmp/tmp |
| 22:19.10 | valdyn | softrat: look at /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 22:19.11 | cddesjar | what kind of printer and what kind of problem |
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| 22:19.22 | cddesjar | have you install gs esp |
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| 22:19.29 | cddesjar | installed gs eso |
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| 22:19.32 | cddesjar | i mean gs esp |
| 22:19.48 | softrat | cddesjar: Do you have a /var/spool/lpd directory as well as /var/spool/cups? |
| 22:19.53 | KungFu | my usb mous pointer is much too fast. In KDE I set acceleratio down to 1x - what can I do? |
| 22:19.56 | cddesjar | hold on |
| 22:20.08 | valdyn | sprink: man ln |
| 22:20.22 | empty | sprink, you will need to delete the /tmp before it will work and be SURE you know what you are doing |
| 22:20.36 | empty | sprink, /tmp needs the sticky bit set on it to work right |
| 22:20.40 | cddesjar | just cups |
| 22:20.48 | cddesjar | softtrat: /var/spool/cups |
| 22:20.50 | empty | sprink, good luck, but I have to bail... Sorry :( |
| 22:20.59 | sprink | empty, even if its a symbolic link? |
| 22:21.09 | sprink | empty, ok thanks |
| 22:21.15 | cddesjar | are you having problems finding the printer driver? |
| 22:21.15 | awb | SATA RAID? Anybody? |
| 22:21.20 | softrat | cddesjar: Yeah, thanks. I wonder why my CUPS is sick. |
| 22:21.24 | valdyn | !sata raid |
| 22:21.25 | cddesjar | what's the issue with cups? |
| 22:21.30 | empty | sprink, symlinks inherit perms otf the thing they link to |
| 22:21.37 | cddesjar | do you have hotplug? |
| 22:21.48 | softrat | cddesjar: CUPS Question --How do I induce the scheduler to respond? |
| 22:22.02 | sprink | empty, alright. thanks for help |
| 22:22.03 | softrat | cddesjar: no |
| 22:22.10 | cddesjar | softrat: and you've already configured cups at localhost? |
| 22:22.14 | lef | hm, what is nfs-kernel-server? and why one might need it? Is it related to NFS? |
| 22:22.26 | empty | sprink, I would cp -a /tmp /home/ then umount then mv /tmp to /tmp.bk then symlink then bring the box back up from singleuser... Take care |
| 22:22.34 | cddesjar | softrat: parallel port or usb port? |
| 22:22.56 | valdyn | lef: which part of your question is not answered by apt-cache show nfs-kernel-server? |
| 22:23.05 | softrat | cddesjar: parallel |
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| 22:23.17 | awb | OK, I will try to ask again about SATA RAID another day. If anybody feels like giving a recommendation in that area, you can msg me. |
| 22:23.26 | cddesjar | softrat: ok |
| 22:23.42 | PerfDave | awb: /msg dpkg further help |
| 22:23.45 | cddesjar | softrat: so you've got your driver, set up cups, clicked print and just won't print? |
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| 22:23.51 | softrat | cddesjar: However the /etc/princap looks wierd! |
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| 22:24.37 | valdyn | awb: sata fake raid is not supported in linux. |
| 22:24.51 | KungFu | my usb mous pointer is much too fast. In KDE I set acceleratio down to 1x - what can I do? |
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| 22:25.09 | awb | valdyn: Is that what, e.g., the low cost Promise controllers implement? |
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| 22:25.17 | cddesjar | softrat: apt-cache show gs-esp |
| 22:25.18 | softrat | cddesjar: The message is "lp: error - scheduler not responding" |
| 22:25.20 | valdyn | awb: yes |
| 22:25.41 | valdyn | awb: in linux you can use pure software raid, or pure hardware raid. |
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| 22:25.43 | awb | valdyn: How about the Adaptec 1210(?) |
| 22:25.45 | cddesjar | softrat: oh...hmm...have you looked at the error log? maybe you're missing some sort of package |
| 22:25.57 | softrat | cddesjar: one moment |
| 22:26.06 | cddesjar | softrat: you could paste your error at pastebin.com and have us look at |
| 22:26.14 | cddesjar | i mean .org |
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| 22:26.33 | empty | Well nevermind my appt just canceled on me |
| 22:26.49 | Eulex | simatrix: any luck with the smp kernel? |
| 22:26.50 | pattern_ | anyone know of a tool that will print out all the characters available in a given font? |
| 22:27.00 | softrat | cddesjar: yes |
| 22:27.01 | valdyn | awb: 3ware has excellent linux support afaik |
| 22:27.04 | awb | valdyn: I have been using software RAID for years. One of my mirror members died and I need new drives. Since the SCSI drives I want are too expensive I was looking into SATA, but I need a controller. Hence my question. |
| 22:27.08 | Eulex | pattern_: you need something like gucharmap? |
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| 22:27.25 | awb | valdyn: 3ware doesn't have any 32bit/33MHz RAID controller though :-( |
| 22:27.32 | cddesjar | softrat: i would say paste your error_log and post the link here so that we can check it out |
| 22:27.34 | SiMatrix | I have the choice of installing two kernals from the network install. 2.6.9-2-386 or 2.4.27-2-385 , need to install SMP support. Which one should I choose? |
| 22:28.06 | pattern_ | eulex, thanks, i'll check that out |
| 22:28.12 | softrat | cddesjar: OK, I will attempt to do as you say...... |
| 22:28.16 | SiMatrix | 2.6.8-2-386 correction |
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| 22:28.27 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, choose the latest that says smp |
| 22:28.35 | binaryc | my mp3s only output to 2 channels and the sub, is there anyway i can duplicate the output to the satalites, so i have psueudo surround sound ? |
| 22:28.50 | SiMatrix | _damiel_ -- None of em say that per say. |
| 22:29.00 | valdyn | awb: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 22:29.00 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, 2.6.8 is okay, but that one has no SMP |
| 22:29.12 | Eulex | simatrix: they have -smp added after the package name |
| 22:29.24 | awb | valdyn: Thanks. |
| 22:29.43 | SiMatrix | Eulex: so do I install this kernal later? |
| 22:29.56 | SiMatrix | The SMP one, after 2.6.8? |
| 22:30.01 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, install the 2.6.8 then after install get a SMP |
| 22:30.18 | Eulex | SiMatrix, no, it should be 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 22:30.19 | SiMatrix | _daniel_ - Thanks |
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| 22:30.49 | SiMatrix | Eulex: Your saying to start with that as the install? Is there a network install package that makes that one avaliable? |
| 22:31.04 | SiMatrix | _daniel_: Will do. |
| 22:31.04 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, remember to boot the network cd with the 2.6 flag enabled, I think is linux26 |
| 22:31.06 | softrat | cddesjar: Apparently I need a 'FileDevice' directive in my cupsd.conf. |
| 22:31.19 | empty | SiMatrix, you do have two procs right? |
| 22:31.22 | zepeuga | everytime i reboot my pc the alsamixer goes to "0" and "MM" in master and PCM, how can i record it to do not do that ? |
| 22:31.29 | Eulex | SiMatrix, nope, you'll have to install with a non-smp kernel, then install an smp kernel |
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| 22:31.43 | SiMatrix | empty - I have one hyperthreaded CPU |
| 22:31.49 | lef | valdyn, hm, you are right |
| 22:31.55 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, but first install the normal 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 22:32.05 | SiMatrix | _daniel_ OK, doing so now. |
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| 22:32.24 | empty | SiMatrix, ok... Yes just install off vanilla then get the SMP later.... and thank your $deity this ain't Gentoo ;) |
| 22:32.24 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, after you have the system install, you can change the kernel for a smp, better if you custom compile it :) I have SMP :0 |
| 22:32.36 | cddesjar | softrat: are you telling cups where your printer is located? |
| 22:33.19 | SiMatrix | _daniel_ : I will learn to custom compile latter. This is my first hour learning about debian. |
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| 22:33.43 | SiMatrix | Perhaps tomorrow I will do that. |
| 22:33.44 | gtigene | My TCPIP printer wont print and lpstat says "waiting for subserver to exit" what does this mean? |
| 22:33.55 | cddesjar | !dpkg |
| 22:33.55 | dpkg | methinks dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
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| 22:34.55 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, lucky you debian has a way of doing custom compiling really easy :) |
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| 22:35.32 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 22:36.04 | cddesjar | softrat: http://www.aplawrence.com/MacOSX/macosxcupstofile.html |
| 22:36.05 | SiMatrix | Kernal Panic: Attempted to kill init. |
| 22:36.12 | cddesjar | softrat: look at the Mon Mar 14 entry |
| 22:36.17 | arnon | how do I make a bootable disk ? |
| 22:36.23 | cddesjar | softrat: and see if that pertains to you |
| 22:36.23 | bigbill52a | bccrypt went on smoothly... |
| 22:36.41 | arnon | I am having a kernel panic, can I save my machine using debian install cd / |
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| 22:37.37 | _daniel_ | arnon, boot with a live CD |
| 22:37.57 | _daniel_ | arnon, then chroot into your debian system |
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| 22:38.00 | arnon | _daniel_, ok |
| 22:38.03 | _daniel_ | arnon, then fix it |
| 22:38.10 | cddesjar | debian doesn't have a live cd does? use knoppix? |
| 22:38.31 | _daniel_ | cddesjar, actually knoppix is debian |
| 22:38.37 | SiMatrix | _daniel_ : Know anything about Kernal Panic: after /sbin/init/: 432: cannot open dev/console:No such file |
| 22:38.43 | js | !kernal |
| 22:38.44 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 22:38.48 | cddesjar | well i hear that knoppix is based on debian not that it is really debian |
| 22:38.53 | nvz | _daniel_: no knoppix is not debian |
| 22:38.55 | cddesjar | !knoppix |
| 22:38.55 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or no more debian then mandrake is redhat. |
| 22:38.58 | awb | valdyn: Looks like all the SATA RAID controllers I was interested are all fakeraid :-( |
| 22:38.59 | nvz | _daniel_: or it would be called debian |
| 22:39.07 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, no, I dont no |
| 22:39.11 | awb | valdyn: Any PATA RAID controller recommendation? |
| 22:39.14 | SiMatrix | Kernel :) |
| 22:39.26 | cddesjar | dpkg is always right :) |
| 22:39.41 | Eulex | he's a really kewl bot |
| 22:39.53 | cddesjar | he's the best |
| 22:40.01 | cddesjar | !dpkg are you kewl |
| 22:40.13 | _daniel_ | nvz, its has debian system, its debian with cloop |
| 22:40.21 | zepeuga | everytime i reboot my pc the alsamixer goes to "0" and "MM" in master and PCM, how can i record it to do not do that ? |
| 22:40.38 | PerfDave | _daniel_: No, it's Knoppix. It's based on Debian, but it's not Debian. It has different packages. |
| 22:40.46 | _daniel_ | zepeuga, maybe its not saving changes |
| 22:40.48 | PerfDave | zepeuga: Set them to what you want, and run "alsactl save"? |
| 22:40.51 | cddesjar | daniel, it's based on debian...it's no more debian than ubuntu or redhat |
| 22:41.02 | SiMatrix | Ok, I will try the other kernal now |
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| 22:41.12 | cddesjar | or it's no more redhat than suse is |
| 22:41.15 | _daniel_ | zepeuga, if that PerfDave doesnt work, user init.d to make a script to change it |
| 22:41.20 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know of a openoffice 1.9 apt server? |
| 22:41.30 | jasoncohen | how do i enter a password with a space in /etc/exim4/passwd.client? |
| 22:41.42 | jasoncohen | server:username:"secret password" ? |
| 22:42.08 | Eulex | SDFH_Linux, search on apt-get.org |
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| 22:42.12 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 22:42.31 | revenger_ | hmm what happens if I update libc6? |
| 22:42.33 | cddesjar | can't you just use apt-get to install gaim? why would you go to gaim.sourceforge.net to do it |
| 22:42.55 | revenger_ | (I'm just about to upgrade from woody to sarge) .. normally if you access the files in /lib the whole machine will crash.. |
| 22:43.02 | revenger_ | how does debian manage that? |
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| 22:43.23 | jasoncohen | sid has gaim 1.3.1 which is the newest version |
| 22:43.26 | PerfDave | revenger_: Uhm, have you read the sarge release notes? |
| 22:43.42 | caphuso | accessing files in /lib does not make anything crash |
| 22:43.44 | awb | Gotta go. Thanks, valdyn! |
| 22:43.50 | revenger_ | PerfDave: no I'm asking for experiences .. not for shitty docs |
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| 22:44.00 | caphuso | why would it? |
| 22:44.04 | revenger_ | caphuso: libc? are you sure |
| 22:44.05 | PerfDave | revenger_: Uhm, those aren't shitty docs. |
| 22:44.10 | SiMatrix | So does SATA have problems with debian on some computers? |
| 22:44.14 | revenger_ | touch it once and the system's dead |
| 22:44.14 | caphuso | revenger_: yes, i am |
| 22:44.16 | PerfDave | revenger_: The way to upgrade Woody to Sarge is to read the Sarge release notes. |
| 22:44.22 | caphuso | revenger_: bullshit |
| 22:44.24 | revenger_ | caphuso: I wouldn't be that sure |
| 22:44.26 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, no, just activate te module in the kernel |
| 22:44.29 | caphuso | revenger_: who told you that nonsense? |
| 22:44.38 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, most precompiled kernels have SATA support |
| 22:44.45 | SiMatrix | _daniel_ : OK, thanks |
| 22:44.55 | revenger_ | caphuso: it happened last time when I tried to copy a newer version by hand over that file |
| 22:45.00 | revenger_ | currently running programms will crash |
| 22:45.12 | caphuso | revenger_: uh |
| 22:45.16 | revenger_ | programs which use that library |
| 22:45.25 | bbrazil | revenger_: that would be right |
| 22:45.26 | caphuso | revenger_: there's a big difference between "accessing" and "breaking on purpose" |
| 22:45.36 | revenger_ | caphuso: that happens everywhere |
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| 22:45.44 | eeyore- | hmm, Broadcomm Tigon tg3 isn't in the kernel by default it seems. |
| 22:45.45 | revenger_ | so I wonder how debian manages that upgrade.. |
| 22:45.49 | caphuso | revenger_: yes, if you do stupid things |
| 22:45.56 | bbrazil | revenger_: mv, not cp |
| 22:46.02 | PerfDave | eeyore-: It was removed for GPL violations IIRC |
| 22:46.07 | Eulex | eeyore: it was taken out of kernel 2.6.11 |
| 22:46.10 | revenger_ | caphuso: just do an ldd on a file almost everything uses libc |
| 22:46.18 | revenger_ | bbrazil: ? |
| 22:46.19 | caphuso | revenger_: not an issue |
| 22:46.27 | eeyore- | ah geez. i *need* tg3 for my debian install :-7 |
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| 22:46.33 | jasoncohen | i'm trying to setup exim4 to send mail to my ISP's SMTP mail server which requires TLS authentication. i'm trying to set it up by editing /etc/exim4/passwd.client but it doesn't seem to be working. what's the correct format to specify a password with a space |
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| 22:46.38 | bbrazil | revenger_: if you alter the file (cp) it'll change stuff referenced by running programs |
| 22:46.42 | pjz | howdy |
| 22:46.47 | SiMatrix | _daniel_ : Is there anyway to tell how a kernal was compiled and what support is present? |
| 22:46.56 | Eulex | eeyore-, you can still run 2.6.8 |
| 22:46.56 | FieldySnuts | password with a space? it's going to be easier to change the password. |
| 22:46.58 | Eulex | !kernal |
| 22:46.59 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 22:46.59 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, checking the config file |
| 22:47.07 | pjz | SiMatrix: if you're lucky there might be /proc/config.gz |
| 22:47.07 | PerfDave | eeyore-: The installer has 2.6.8 which works fine with tg3 |
| 22:47.08 | bbrazil | revenger_: if you mv, currently running programs won't be affected, but its still a pretty bad idea unless you know exactly what you're doing |
| 22:47.09 | cureless | SiMatrix: sometimes. |
| 22:47.13 | SiMatrix | Eulex - KERNEL, yes sir :) |
| 22:47.23 | revenger_ | I'm just afraid of upgrading now... always when I update apache modules apache segfaults if I don't shut it down before.. |
| 22:47.27 | eeyore- | Eulex: yeah, shortcut for now, i'll go grab gentoo 2.6.11 ... i know that one has tg3 + other things |
| 22:47.36 | _daniel_ | SiMatrix, all debian precompiled kernels have SATA support, at least the ones from a year or so |
| 22:47.41 | bbrazil | revenger_: you use apt, right? |
| 22:47.48 | PerfDave | eeyore-: If you install Sarge, it will work just fine with your tg3 card. |
| 22:47.49 | eeyore- | or maybe i'll try kernel-image-2.6.10 ... |
| 22:47.55 | SiMatrix | _daniel_ , gotcha |
| 22:47.56 | revenger_ | bbrazil: I would yes.. but I have no physical contact to that machine.. |
| 22:48.00 | luulis | eeyore-: i would need that too but i had a spare ethernet card, right now it seems it is only possible with non-free bcm5700-source package though I havent tried that myself :( |
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| 22:48.06 | eeyore- | PerfDave: yeah, but it's mostly installed already (from inside knoppix) |
| 22:48.18 | bbrazil | revenger_: so you're not using apt on a debian system and are wondering why things are breaking? |
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| 22:48.19 | eeyore- | PerfDave: this is the last stage, just before boot .... i realize there's no networking yet |
| 22:48.21 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Uhm, how are you installing "from inside knoppix"? |
| 22:48.42 | revenger_ | bbrazil: no I'd like to upgrade with apt but I'm afraid .. that'S the only thing |
| 22:48.46 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Knoppix HD installs are *not* the same as Debian installs |
| 22:48.49 | revenger_ | the custom apache modules are something else.. |
| 22:48.56 | bbrazil | revenger_: thats what backups are for |
| 22:49.14 | revenger_ | bbrazil: right but I don't have physical contact to that machine and I'm not able to recover.. |
| 22:49.31 | cureless | revenger_: what are you upgrading to? |
| 22:49.36 | revenger_ | sarge |
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| 22:49.40 | revenger_ | from potato to sarge.. |
| 22:49.41 | luulis | PerfDave: knoppix has debootstrap that can be used to install debian |
| 22:49.47 | bbrazil | revenger_: are you serious? |
| 22:49.55 | PerfDave | luulis: I'm aware of that. That's not the same as a Knoppix HD install though. |
| 22:50.09 | revenger_ | bbrazil: yes.. well I think I'll wait until I have physical contact.. |
| 22:50.15 | bbrazil | revenger_: go to woody first |
| 22:50.26 | revenger_ | bbrazil: ergh sorry.. it's woody |
| 22:50.28 | PerfDave | Upgrading from potato to Sarge should just work, provided you read the Sarge release notes :) |
| 22:50.57 | revenger_ | yes it's woody just checked it again... |
| 22:51.05 | PerfDave | Upgrading from Woody to Sarge should just work, provided you read the Sarge release notes :) |
| 22:51.32 | SiMatrix | Ok, fixed the Kernel Stop error, continuing with install. |
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| 22:52.46 | zepeuga | PerfDave, i don't have "alsactl" command |
| 22:52.47 | pattern_ | anyone know of a tool that will print out all the characters available in a given font? (not gucharmap, that doesn't print, nor does it seperate characters by fonts) |
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| 22:53.03 | nvz | well I am going to take my system down, to add a HD for backup purposes then I am going to reinstall Sarge |
| 22:53.17 | Eulex | goodnight |
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| 22:53.25 | PerfDave | zepeuga: Then install the package that provides it. |
| 22:53.29 | _daniel_ | zepeuga, whereis alsactl |
| 22:54.08 | zepeuga | PerfDave, i have alsa-common, alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 22:54.18 | _daniel_ | zepeuga, it should be in /usr/sbin which is not on $PATH on non root users |
| 22:54.31 | zepeuga | with root |
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| 22:54.35 | zepeuga | i don't have it too |
| 22:54.41 | SiMatrix | I am installing for a master node of a cluster, I assume Desktop & File Server are what I needed to select. |
| 22:54.56 | zepeuga | _daniel_, oh sorry youre right |
| 22:55.03 | _daniel_ | zepeuga, hmm weird |
| 22:55.04 | zepeuga | its in /usr/sbin/alsactl |
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| 22:55.21 | _daniel_ | zepeuga, :) |
| 22:55.37 | nvz | hmm I dont have any HDD bays in my case.. and I am going to need to hook up multiple HDDS.. I wonder what I could do.. |
| 22:55.59 | zepeuga | now i use it /usr/sbin/alsactl save ? |
| 22:56.02 | revenger_ | PerfDave: well I wait till I have physical access to it.. I don't trust debian that much .. and that machine is full with self compiled stuff |
| 22:56.08 | nvz | the HDD I have now, it just laying in the bottom of the case on a piece of plether or somethng I tossed in there |
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| 22:56.23 | PerfDave | revenger_: If your self-compiled stuff is in /usr/local or somewhere similar, as it should be, then you'll be fine. |
| 22:56.26 | _daniel_ | zepeuga, yes |
| 22:56.36 | PerfDave | revenger_: I've remote dist-upgraded before :) |
| 22:56.36 | myren | anyone have suggestions for programs to use extra cpu cycles? |
| 22:56.37 | revenger_ | I'm moreover just afraid of upgrading libc .. |
| 22:56.39 | sparr_ | depends on what you select |
| 22:56.39 | simonsays | when trying to run some binaries i'm getting a libc error: "failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory". anyone know what that means? |
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| 22:56.45 | _daniel_ | zepeuga, alsactl store |
| 22:56.47 | mikaEL` | I have installed debian for the first time with kernel 2.6.8-2-386 but I don't find the source code for this kernel (/usr/src/linux) |
| 22:56.48 | cddesjar | depends on your connection speed and what yo uwant to install ;) |
| 22:56.49 | zepeuga | $ /usr/sbin/alsactl store |
| 22:56.49 | sparr_ | SiMatrix: a core install is only a few dozen megs |
| 22:56.49 | zepeuga | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1221: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing |
| 22:56.49 | myren | i'm trying to do some veyr mild stress testing onym audio system |
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| 22:56.56 | PerfDave | SiMatrix: Depends on how fast your network is and how much stuff you're installing ;) |
| 22:56.59 | PerfDave | zepeuga: RUN IT AS ROOT |
| 22:57.00 | sparr_ | SiMatrix: when i do a net install i install gigs worth of stuff |
| 22:57.02 | cddesjar | mikaEL: you need to install the source seperately |
| 22:57.03 | peterS | simonsays: depends greatly on the speed of your network connection to the nearest debian mirror |
| 22:57.05 | PerfDave | zepeuga: THAT'S WHY IT'S IN SBIN! |
| 22:57.05 | revenger_ | PerfDave: I wouldn't do it on a live server which is 2 km far away from my apartment (not interested to run that late :P) |
| 22:57.06 | _daniel_ | zepeuga, as root ? |
| 22:57.08 | peterS | SiMatrix: ^^ |
| 22:57.12 | PerfDave | revenger_: I would :) |
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| 22:57.20 | cddesjar | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 22:57.21 | zepeuga | no |
| 22:57.24 | revenger_ | PerfDave: where are you from? .. you can do it for me :) |
| 22:57.38 | PerfDave | revenger_: I'm in the UK. Give me root on your server ;) |
| 22:57.43 | cddesjar | mikaEL: do you need to reconfigure your kernel? |
| 22:57.46 | SiMatrix | peterS: that makes sense :) |
| 22:57.47 | zepeuga | as my user |
| 22:57.51 | simonsays | peterS: i can hardly see how. would you explain? |
| 22:58.04 | paulswm | PerfDave: HAHA |
| 22:58.05 | revenger_ | PerfDave: there's no complete backup :P |
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| 22:58.12 | _daniel_ | zepeuga, run it as root, and consider using sudo |
| 22:58.14 | PerfDave | revenger_: Trust me, I'm a sysadmin :0 |
| 22:58.17 | peterS | simonsays: that message was meant for SiMatrix, who starts with the same 3 letters as you |
| 22:58.28 | simonsays | peterS: np |
| 22:58.37 | revenger_ | PerfDave: I'm a C programmer and I'm always afraid if someone puts a library live |
| 22:58.41 | SiMatrix | peterS: Maybe I should change my nic :) |
| 22:58.52 | narg | What is /dev/cloop0? |
| 22:58.55 | PerfDave | revenger_: Debian's upgrade path *does* get tested, you know. |
| 22:58.58 | peterS | SiMatrix: I'm sure simonsays and simonrvn don't mind (: |
| 22:59.01 | mikaEL` | cddesjar: yes I have to ... and I need it for nVIDIA drivers |
| 22:59.02 | s1monsays | problem solved |
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| 22:59.15 | bobbyd | hi |
| 22:59.23 | peterS | narg: compressed loop device, used on knoppix and similar to pack a lot of data into a small space like a CD-ROM |
| 22:59.24 | cddesjar | mikaEL: ok...yeah just got a source from apt-get and you're golden |
| 22:59.51 | cddesjar | mikaEL: have you ever reconfigured a kernel with debian? |
| 22:59.53 | eeyore- | PerfDave: i just use knoppix to provide a working environment for me to run debootstrap |
| 23:00.02 | revenger_ | PerfDave: the thing is I know debian woody is a compilation of crappy libraries which leak the hell out of a machine .. and debian called it stable ...that's why I don't trust it.. |
| 23:00.04 | cddesjar | mikaEL: there are some special commands to make life easier |
| 23:00.08 | peterS | narg: or possibly cryptoloop, I haven't got any experience with that - I thought cryptoloop was just /dev/loop0 |
| 23:00.22 | SiMatrix | peterS: I admit it, I am a little out of my element, this is hour 2 with debian, and I need to install FAI with PXE autoinstall support next. Any ideas :) |
| 23:00.23 | eeyore- | PerfDave: it's fine :-) it just so happens debian standard 2.6.11 doesn't have tg3. and meanwhile i was used to gentoo's gentoo-sources and ck-sources having tg3 driver built-in |
| 23:00.24 | xiaogil | Is there a command to add a tabulation at the beginning of a text file ? |
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| 23:00.28 | bobbyd | I have a weird problem. i added a group and then added my user to that group. I logged out and back in again. When I do 'groups' as my user it doesn't show the group I added it to. When I do 'sudo groups user' it shows the group. I have no idea how to fix this. any ideas? |
| 23:00.46 | PerfDave | revenger_: The thing is that Debian Woody runs for fucking *years* of uptime without problems ;) |
| 23:00.54 | cddesjar | mikaEL: check this out....http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/21 |
| 23:01.00 | peterS | SiMatrix: I've never used either FAI or PXE. I tried to set up PXE once but the client I needed it for didn't like it so I don't know if I actually got it to work at the server end or not |
| 23:01.05 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Why are you using 2.6.11 if you're installing Sarge? 2.6.11 isn't *in* sarge. |
| 23:01.07 | eeyore- | PerfDave: wouldn't have been an issue, but this dell poweredge just happens to have tg3 chips ... darn it :-7 and a megaraid, too. joy. |
| 23:01.10 | cddesjar | mikaEL: goodluck |
| 23:01.14 | peterS | SiMatrix: the client NIC was pretty old, so that's why I don't know where the problem lay |
| 23:01.18 | eeyore- | PerfDave: who said i'm installing sarge. i'm installing sid. |
| 23:01.28 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Oh, fair enough. |
| 23:01.32 | eeyore- | PerfDave: :-> |
| 23:01.39 | revenger_ | PerfDave: but using features of existing libraries there gives a problem they just didn't package the apps which use these functions |
| 23:01.43 | cddesjar | does sid have 2.6.11? |
| 23:01.49 | eeyore- | cddesjar: yeah |
| 23:01.52 | PerfDave | revenger_: Yes they did :) |
| 23:01.59 | mikaEL` | thanx cdesjar .. but what do i have to apt-get ? kernel-soure-2.6.8 or kernel-tree-2.6.8 ? |
| 23:02.00 | revenger_ | had such a problam with a c++ library it leaked alot on woody .. but didn't leak at all on sid |
| 23:02.01 | cddesjar | i'm fine still using 2.4.x |
| 23:02.15 | cddesjar | mikaEL: the source |
| 23:02.18 | _daniel_ | mikaEL`, you want to compile it ? |
| 23:02.20 | streuner | cddesjar: desktop system? |
| 23:02.20 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Anyway, tg3 was removed for license violations. It should be pretty trivial to stick it in yourself, or to use an upstream kernel source. |
| 23:02.31 | cddesjar | laptop...dell inspiron 1100 |
| 23:02.32 | mikaEL` | _daniel_: yes .. |
| 23:02.38 | _daniel_ | mikaEL`, source .. |
| 23:02.39 | SiMatrix | peterS: I am wondering about the approach I should use. If I need to configure and install debian and text a slave node, then copy it over to the master and make it avaliable for autoinstall. |
| 23:02.39 | PerfDave | eeyore-: I just run Sarge on my tg3 box, since it's a server :) |
| 23:02.51 | SiMatrix | text a slave node that is |
| 23:02.56 | streuner | cddesjar: well, testing/etch has 2.6.11 as well... |
| 23:03.01 | eeyore- | oh great. 2.6.8 has megaraid.ko but no megaraid_mbox.ko. wonder if the _mbox thing was a split of basic driver functionlity |
| 23:03.16 | eeyore- | would not be fun if i had to choose between having no RAID or no networking :-))))) |
| 23:03.18 | peterS | SiMatrix: honestly I haven't tried FAI so I have no idea |
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| 23:03.32 | cddesjar | so what's the deal with testing? my understanding is that if you are using debian for a workstation you should use the testing distribution |
| 23:03.43 | directhex | cddesjar, obsolete info |
| 23:03.44 | cddesjar | i read that in that guide online |
| 23:03.54 | streuner | cddesjar: yes |
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| 23:03.56 | PerfDave | cddesjar: No, you should use whatever you want. Stable works fine for workstations. |
| 23:04.00 | eeyore- | PerfDave: my servers are sid or gentoo, and yes, they do get hammered by the public at large :-) |
| 23:04.04 | directhex | cddesjar, debian stable should keep you happy for a few months for now, even on a dekstop |
| 23:04.09 | PerfDave | eeyore-: You're fucking insane. |
| 23:04.11 | thingfish | cddesjar: that was before sarge was released. |
| 23:04.12 | SiMatrix | It is giving me an extimated install time. SHessh, and I asked how long it takes to install. :( |
| 23:04.14 | mikaEL` | the kernel has downloaded but it's in a tar.bz2 archive |
| 23:04.18 | _daniel_ | eeyore-, you should not use sid on servers ! |
| 23:04.20 | directhex | cddesjar, my 2800+ athlon 64 machine runs debian stable. |
| 23:04.21 | eeyore- | PerfDave: not really. they work just fine |
| 23:04.21 | streuner | cddesjar: if you use your system as desktop system just use etch |
| 23:04.35 | cddesjar | so i should swtich to testing? |
| 23:04.36 | thingfish | sarge is fine for a desktop though. |
| 23:04.37 | cddesjar | why? |
| 23:04.40 | eeyore- | _daniel_: judicious use of dselect and sacrificial machines help a lot |
| 23:04.43 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Yeah, and people live in minefields for years without getting their leg blown off. That doesn't mean it's a good idea. |
| 23:04.46 | streuner | cddesjar: newer software |
| 23:04.48 | cddesjar | i am just using this as my home pc |
| 23:05.05 | cddesjar | is it stable? |
| 23:05.07 | thingfish | cddesjar: me too, and sarge is more than meeting my needs. |
| 23:05.08 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Look on the debian-legal or debian-devel lists for the tg3 stuff, IIRC there's a trivial way to reinsert the non-free binary firmware that was removed from Debian's kernels. |
| 23:05.11 | SiMatrix | So does the server component take a lot longer to install then the desktop? |
| 23:05.22 | _daniel_ | eeyore-, doesnt matter, sid is not for servers |
| 23:05.28 | iceliquid | mysql wont start because my hostname doesn't resolve properly...I've just installed BIND to help correct the problem, can anyone help me out please? |
| 23:05.32 | FieldySnuts | heh sid server |
| 23:05.32 | cddesjar | yeah i don't care as long as i get security updates for sarge |
| 23:05.33 | _daniel_ | eeyore-, just becouse it runs it doesnt mean its ok |
| 23:05.36 | narg | I'm just curious, but do any non first time users of debian run stable as a desktop here? |
| 23:05.46 | PerfDave | narg: Yes |
| 23:05.50 | cddesjar | i think everyone is running sid...lol |
| 23:05.52 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Sarge is the stable release, and should be fine for your needs. Most importantly, it will have security updates which you won't get with etch/testing |
| 23:05.54 | thingfish | I know, sid server makes about as much sense as using fedora anything. |
| 23:06.03 | streuner | cddesjar: in etch are the security patches compiled into the packages itself |
| 23:06.04 | FieldySnuts | no, it makes less. you don't get security updates. |
| 23:06.14 | thingfish | you're right. |
| 23:06.16 | FieldySnuts | !hack sid server |
| 23:06.18 | narg | Yea, I run sid that doesnt follow the rules (lotsa unoffical repos, experimental, etc :p) |
| 23:06.21 | directhex | cddesjar, right now, testing is HIGHLY unstable. don't even try & run it for a few months, not until some of the really big changes going into the Unstable branch have settled down |
| 23:06.41 | cddesjar | ok...i'll hold off on etch for a while |
| 23:06.42 | PerfDave | Yeah, etch broke my mousewheel! :) |
| 23:06.45 | streuner | directhex: How do you know? |
| 23:06.49 | thingfish | whereas sarge is wonderful and lovely. |
| 23:06.55 | SiMatrix | narg: I here that Debian is the most hightly tested distro. Is that true? |
| 23:06.59 | cddesjar | how would i switch from sarge to testing? |
| 23:07.09 | PerfDave | cddesjar: If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 23:07.11 | narg | SiMatrix: Its well tested, I dunno about most tested. *shrug* |
| 23:07.13 | cddesjar | lol |
| 23:07.14 | thingfish | SiMatrix: linux doesn't get any better than Debian. |
| 23:07.15 | streuner | cddesjar: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 23:07.16 | bigbill52a | it doesnt crash as much as the others.. |
| 23:07.24 | FieldySnuts | nice FUD |
| 23:07.31 | _daniel_ | sid is nice for a desktop, and if you dont mind not having security updates, and problems |
| 23:07.36 | bigbill52a | cant use kde in ubuntu...trashes the xserver |
| 23:07.39 | SiMatrix | thingfish: Well after 2+ hrs of use I am a Debian cult member :) |
| 23:07.46 | directhex | streuner, moans about gnome being broken in sid suggest it's upheaval time right now |
| 23:07.47 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:07.59 | directhex | streuner, i see no reason to run sid instead of sarge for the time being either |
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| 23:08.22 | thingfish | I ran sid for a while; it was a chore keeping up with it. Sarge is a welcome relief. |
| 23:08.24 | eeyore- | _daniel_: well, let's just say ... i can manage the risks :-) |
| 23:08.24 | PerfDave | I think that gcc 4 and xorg will be bigger changes than Gnome. Especially since I don't run Gnome ;) |
| 23:08.27 | streuner | directhex: well, you are old school then :-) |
| 23:08.46 | PerfDave | I run sid on my work desktop because it's badly partitioned and I can't be arsed to reinstall it with sid. |
| 23:08.50 | directhex | streuner, the scary thing is, sarge runs fine on my desktop, but not my (older tech) laptop |
| 23:08.59 | SiMatrix | thingfix: Cultus Debianated Hax0r |
| 23:08.59 | PerfDave | I'm leaving my work place soon anyway :) |
| 23:09.09 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:09.24 | ^rob^ | hi |
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| 23:09.32 | _daniel_ | eeyore-, do you make your own patches ? |
| 23:09.42 | directhex | streuner, bleeding edge amd64 3800+, via k8t890 motherboard, geforce 6800gt, audigy2zs. the onnly blip was installing nvidia-glx to get an image. even the pci expressness didn't worry sarge |
| 23:09.44 | cddesjar | so it's as easy as change one word in sources.list and delete another line to switch from stable to testing? |
| 23:09.52 | streuner | PerfDave: haha, thats a reason then :-) |
| 23:10.01 | cddesjar | hmm..i think i'll still stick with stable...i don't need cutting edge just stability |
| 23:10.04 | thingfish | wow sweet, directhex. |
| 23:10.06 | ^rob^ | what's happening with sarge - from 2 weeks i get no more updates on ports - i've changed the server too - same thing |
| 23:10.08 | cddesjar | that's why i went to debian anyways |
| 23:10.28 | PerfDave | ^rob^: Uhm, Sarge has released. That means no more updates, except security updates. |
| 23:10.34 | eeyore- | _daniel_: i assume you mean patches for Debian, no. patches in general, heck yeah. we're development systems. |
| 23:10.38 | thingfish | I know man, I got enough of "cutting edge" with fedora, what a mess it was. |
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| 23:11.11 | ^rob^ | PerfDave: oh crap - i was waiting kde 3.4 on sarge - damn - i have to go to sid now? |
| 23:11.16 | PerfDave | streuner: TBH, reinstalling with sarge would probably fix a few annoyances with my potato->sid system like the bootloader. |
| 23:11.22 | cddesjar | debian is about a 1000x times better than redhat |
| 23:11.27 | PerfDave | ^rob^: No, you can go to etch if you want. But either way, you won't get security updates. |
| 23:11.34 | thingfish | cddesjar: oh just about. |
| 23:11.41 | cddesjar | what's the big deal with 3.4 vs. 3.3? |
| 23:11.42 | jasoncohen | i'm getting this output when cron-apt tries to send mail : 2005-06-15 19:09:54 1Dih17-0002t3-Vk == user@brandeis.edu R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
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| 23:11.59 | jasoncohen | it doesn't say the authentication was rejected but it never sends |
| 23:12.10 | PerfDave | cddesjar: 3.4 seems to contain an art package I want to play with ;) |
| 23:12.16 | ^rob^ | PerfDave: so it means packages will still be keept to date - no? |
| 23:12.19 | cddesjar | oh |
| 23:12.27 | lef | how can I remove apache with all its dirs like /etc/apache/ and the init.d/apache entry? I would liek to upgrade to apache2 and I wouldn't like these dirs to be in the way |
| 23:12.28 | cddesjar | gimp? |
| 23:12.30 | sparr_ | how can i free up unused loop devices? |
| 23:12.31 | PerfDave | ^rob^: etch is the new testing distribution. sid is still unstable. |
| 23:12.40 | ^rob^ | oh |
| 23:12.45 | PerfDave | cddesjar: No, GIMP is not part of KDE. |
| 23:12.48 | cddesjar | sid is always unstable correct? |
| 23:12.49 | bbrazil | lef: those dir's won't cause problems |
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| 23:12.52 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Yes |
| 23:12.52 | bbrazil | -' |
| 23:12.53 | ^rob^ | etch - i didnot know that |
| 23:12.58 | dondelelcaro | lef: when you're done with apache, --purge it. |
| 23:12.58 | cddesjar | gimp is gnome |
| 23:13.00 | cddesjar | right? |
| 23:13.00 | _slice_ | lef: apache and apache2 can co-exist |
| 23:13.06 | lef | bbrazil, sure but trhey get in the way in tab completion |
| 23:13.11 | _slice_ | lol |
| 23:13.11 | ^rob^ | k k |
| 23:13.12 | ^rob^ | thnx |
| 23:13.14 | bbrazil | lef: :) |
| 23:13.16 | FieldySnuts | !annoy ^rob^ |
| 23:13.18 | PerfDave | cddesjar: No, GIMP is not part of Gnome. But GIMP and Gnome both use GTK. |
| 23:13.18 | streuner | !win directhex |
| 23:13.18 | glick | excuse me how can i compile to the target m68hc12 using gcc? |
| 23:13.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, directhex! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 23:13.23 | bbrazil | lef: purge them |
| 23:13.25 | cddesjar | oh |
| 23:13.29 | FieldySnuts | !irritate ^rob^ |
| 23:13.30 | dpkg | ^rob^: hi every1 who uses kde kk |
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| 23:13.32 | PerfDave | ^rob^: If your sources.list says "testing" you'll go to etch automatically. |
| 23:13.35 | lef | dondelelcaro, so if I --purge then the dirs will go eh? |
| 23:13.37 | lef | nice |
| 23:13.39 | SiMatrix | What Books would be recommended for learning debian as a file server? |
| 23:13.53 | dondelelcaro | lef: man apt-get;... some reading will help you greatly. |
| 23:13.55 | FieldySnuts | define file server; ftp? nfs? smb? |
| 23:14.04 | eeyore- | hey, dondelelcaro! |
| 23:14.06 | thingfish | I love those !irritate factoids hehe. |
| 23:14.07 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: sup |
| 23:14.10 | lef | dondelelcaro, you are right, thank you |
| 23:14.17 | cddesjar | is dpkg a person right now? |
| 23:14.21 | streuner | no |
| 23:14.27 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: sup! trying to get another debian sid box going :-) |
| 23:14.27 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 23:14.27 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:14.30 | FieldySnuts | especially when they end with "msg me, randomnick" |
| 23:14.37 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: nice |
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| 23:14.54 | ^rob^ | PerfDave: testing instead sarge? |
| 23:14.57 | FieldySnuts | magic hate ball is nice too |
| 23:15.08 | PerfDave | ^rob^: Yes |
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| 23:15.13 | ^rob^ | deb ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 23:15.13 | ^rob^ | k thnx |
| 23:15.16 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 23:15.20 | ^rob^ | damn |
| 23:15.20 | PerfDave | ^rob^: But you'll lose security updates. |
| 23:15.22 | ^rob^ | sorry |
| 23:15.28 | streuner | cddesjar: you need security patches mostly for servers, if you dont use one you dont need mostly care about it |
| 23:15.30 | ^rob^ | no problemo |
| 23:15.33 | ^rob^ | ;) |
| 23:15.56 | cddesjar | streuner: oh...yeah i don't use a server |
| 23:16.07 | PerfDave | Security patches are pretty damn important on the desktop too, streuner. |
| 23:16.12 | streuner | cddesjar: desktop system are tend to be NOT stable |
| 23:16.17 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: amen. i had to read that twice, i dind't think he really sed it. |
| 23:16.19 | FieldySnuts | said |
| 23:16.38 | streuner | PerfDave: of course |
| 23:16.42 | cddesjar | streuner: why is that? |
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| 23:17.20 | bucky | Azar, how did you get hacked so easy? |
| 23:17.32 | FieldySnuts | s/hacked/cracked/ |
| 23:17.45 | bucky | !irritate FieldySnuts |
| 23:17.45 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: HELP ME!!! who uses cable hello? |
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| 23:17.54 | FieldySnuts | !blame bucky |
| 23:17.59 | streuner | cddesjar: too many apps which need too much RAM |
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| 23:18.06 | FieldySnuts | heh another factoid using random nicks, amusing |
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| 23:18.28 | cddesjar | streuner: that makes sense...so why should i switch to testing then? |
| 23:18.37 | streuner | cddesjar: why not? |
| 23:18.40 | cddesjar | streuner: wouldn't that be even more unstable? |
| 23:18.41 | directhex | !magic hate ball |
| 23:18.43 | PerfDave | cddesjar: streuner's talking about things crashing. stable in the Debian sense means "unchanging". |
| 23:18.45 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:18.50 | myren | there's this app beam which keeps running |
| 23:18.55 | streuner | cddesjar: there isnt a reason NOT to switch to testing |
| 23:18.55 | myren | i havent the foggiest idea what it does |
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| 23:19.03 | glick | i thought debian came with a m68hc compiler in its package database |
| 23:19.06 | myren | but it pegs my cpu every 3-4 seconds briefly |
| 23:19.09 | myren | its quite fscking annoying |
| 23:19.14 | streuner | cddesjar: and the good thing, you get the latest software |
| 23:19.15 | bucky | testing sucks |
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| 23:19.22 | myren | wehreis beam gives me nothing |
| 23:19.26 | ^rob^ | PerfDave: thnx - bye |
| 23:19.29 | bucky | what do you get? a newer version of gnome? |
| 23:19.30 | directhex | !info beam |
| 23:19.33 | myren | !info beam |
| 23:19.40 | directhex | hm |
| 23:19.42 | raf256 | !info beam |
| 23:19.47 | streuner | bucky: newer kernel, newer GNOME, newer KDE |
| 23:19.49 | myren | blarg. |
| 23:19.59 | PerfDave | streuner: Uhm, you don't get security updates with testing. That's a good reason not to switch to testing on the desktop. |
| 23:20.06 | myren | is there any way to see what is running this beam app? |
| 23:20.15 | PerfDave | myren: See what the parent process is? |
| 23:20.15 | sparr_ | 'mount -o loop' automatically sets up a loop device, why doesnt umount free the loop device? |
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| 23:20.17 | bucky | run a mixed package system then |
| 23:20.22 | streuner | PerfDave: telling me someone who actually running sid, bah |
| 23:20.23 | myren | PerfDave: ok... um... how? |
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| 23:20.37 | PerfDave | myren: pstree may help |
| 23:20.39 | cddesjar | i heard running a mixed package system is real bad |
| 23:20.47 | streuner | true |
| 23:20.48 | cddesjar | or i should say i read that |
| 23:20.58 | bucky | it was between woody and sarge |
| 23:21.03 | bucky | but not anymore |
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| 23:21.11 | streuner | PerfDave: does directhex brainwashed you? |
| 23:21.13 | PerfDave | streuner: I run sid on *one* of my machines, because it's too much hassle to shift many gigs of files off it for a reinstall. |
| 23:21.13 | streuner | :-) |
| 23:21.21 | streuner | hm |
| 23:21.27 | PerfDave | streuner: If directhex had brainwashed me, I'd be running Ubuntu ;) |
| 23:21.28 | cddesjar | if someone switched from stable to testing or unstable how can you ensure that you have upgraded everything? |
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| 23:21.33 | streuner | haha |
| 23:21.36 | kasper | say i have a debian machine, and a broken winxp machine (2 hd's in the xp, one reg hd and one backup (backup is good)) i want to take the backup hd and put it in the debian machine. will i be able to just add an entry to /etc/fstab and be able to mount it? or would it not work @ all? |
| 23:22.00 | PerfDave | cddesjar: I'd just stick to stable, if it does everything you want. Get some experience at using Debian, then maybe consider moving to testing at a later date if stable stops doing what you want. |
| 23:22.11 | _daniel_ | kasper, yes |
| 23:22.24 | kasper | _daniel_: yes it'll work? |
| 23:22.31 | _slice_ | yes, it will work |
| 23:22.32 | PerfDave | kasper: Yes, but it'll be formatted as NTFS, which means that writing to it will be problematic. You may want to reformat it. |
| 23:22.37 | _slice_ | man mount |
| 23:22.38 | _daniel_ | kasper, if the backup is not broken you can mount it |
| 23:22.49 | FieldySnuts | !ntfs |
| 23:22.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 23:23.03 | benjamindees | kasper, depends, did you plan ahead and use fat32 instead of Microsoft's proprietary ntfs? |
| 23:23.06 | kasper | ok i know i won't be able to write to it, i just need to be able to acess the stuff on it |
| 23:23.16 | FieldySnuts | (as if fat32 isn't proprietary) |
| 23:23.23 | PerfDave | kasper: Then you should have no problems |
| 23:23.24 | _daniel_ | kasper, you can read easily :) |
| 23:23.32 | directhex | PerfDave, i've been brainwashing you? |
| 23:23.39 | _daniel_ | kasper, just set a mount point and mount it |
| 23:23.47 | kasper | ok thanks!! |
| 23:23.52 | PerfDave | directhex: No, you haven't. But streuner thinks you have. I have no idea why. |
| 23:23.55 | benjamindees | FieldySnuts, it's not, anymore :p |
| 23:24.16 | directhex | PerfDave, my big eyebrows and curious moustache. they're a dead giveaway that i've been hypnotizing people |
| 23:24.40 | myren | pstree: init --- beam --- heart |
| 23:24.50 | myren | but beam keeps running, dies, runs again |
| 23:24.50 | streuner | PerfDave: the thing was, you suddenly talking about security patches like directhex... |
| 23:24.56 | myren | why would init keep running it again and again? |
| 23:25.05 | jasoncohen | how do i increase the verbosity of exim4's logs? i just see connection timed out messages without a reason |
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| 23:25.24 | PerfDave | directhex: And that pocket watch you keep waving at people? |
| 23:25.49 | caphuso | jasoncohen: "connection timed out" is the reason |
| 23:26.06 | PerfDave | streuner: Security patches are a damn good reason for a Debian newcomer to run the stable branch. It's why my users' desktops at work all run stable :) |
| 23:26.10 | directhex | to be fair, runnign sid is like getting a new OS every day. "oh, it's tuesday, and i can write tag info to mp3s in rhythmbox! now it's wednesday, and gstreamer's broken", etc |
| 23:26.15 | PerfDave | myren: Hmm, is it being called from cron? |
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| 23:26.31 | streuner | PerfDave: ic :-) |
| 23:26.32 | cddesjar | why would someone run sid then? |
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| 23:26.55 | streuner | cddesjar: mostly experienced users use sid |
| 23:26.57 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Because they're enough of a Debian guru to work around the breakages, and they like testing stuff and filing bug reports and fixes. |
| 23:27.00 | myren | its being run literally every three or four seconds |
| 23:27.07 | directhex | cron.secondly |
| 23:27.15 | streuner | cddesjar: in short its the developer branch of debian |
| 23:27.24 | PerfDave | streuner: Anyway, I've not really noticed directhex going on about security patches, he's been too busy going on about how Sarge's hardware support sucks and you can't run Sarge on any machine made in the last 10 years ;) |
| 23:27.30 | cddesjar | yeah i read that |
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| 23:27.45 | bbrazil | myren: check /etc/inittab |
| 23:28.19 | directhex | PerfDave, runs perfectly on my amd64 machine, it's the laptop which won't play nice |
| 23:28.25 | myren | ah ha, it was YAWS, yaws was running it |
| 23:28.31 | alvanson | I'm getting this error in dmesg when trying to use my cd-rom drive: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 23:28.47 | alvanson | with 2.6.8, is this because my drive is about to go kaput? |
| 23:28.51 | cddesjar | alvanson: i would google that error and see what you get for a hit |
| 23:28.54 | PerfDave | alvanson: Are you sure it's on /dev/hdc (the secondary master)? |
| 23:28.54 | myren | crap, its still running |
| 23:29.00 | Flimqy | alvanson: or could be a dirty CD |
| 23:29.08 | PerfDave | alvanson: I get that error when trying to mount non-existent drives ;) |
| 23:29.08 | streuner | PerfDave: if he saying sarge`s hardware support sucks, why he still recommend it then? |
| 23:29.17 | alvanson | cddesjar, either it's because the drive is going kaput, or I need to compile a new kernel, or my chipset is crap |
| 23:29.49 | Flimqy | alvanson: that wouldn't happen if it was a driver issue |
| 23:29.49 | alvanson | PerfDave, Flimqy, the CD is okay because I can play it in another drive |
| 23:29.49 | jasoncohen | grr- does anyone know how to setup SMTP SSL/TLS authentication for an exim4 smarthost? |
| 23:29.58 | Flimqy | alvanson: and probably wouldn't happen with a chipset issue |
| 23:30.04 | directhex | !tell streuner about sarge hardware support |
| 23:30.06 | Flimqy | alvanson: Or it could be a CD that's dirty enough that drive can't read it, but another drive can |
| 23:30.09 | streuner | PerfDave: he know pretty well, that hardware support is mostly a kernel issue... |
| 23:30.22 | alvanson | Flimqy, just got the CD, took it out of wrapper and put in drive :P |
| 23:30.24 | Flimqy | alvanson: Not all drives are created equal. Some can read very dirty/scratched discs, while others may have a very low tolerance |
| 23:30.27 | caphuso | jasoncohen: /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.SMTP-AUTH |
| 23:30.35 | Flimqy | alvanson: that doesn't neccisarily mean anything, either. |
| 23:30.43 | streuner | directhex: oh well, yes. |
| 23:30.52 | alvanson | Flimqy, funny thing is that I just had a hard drive on hdc go on me (heads I think landed and got stuck somewhere bad) |
| 23:30.52 | Flimqy | alvanson: As some drives have difficulty reading certian brands of media... even pressed media in some cases. |
| 23:30.54 | jasoncohen | caphuso, i set it up already. smtp.comcast.net:user:password |
| 23:31.05 | jasoncohen | i then ran update-config.conf and /etc/init.d/exim4 restart |
| 23:31.10 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: what he's not telling you is the password has a space in it. |
| 23:31.12 | PerfDave | alvanson: Dodgy motherboard / IDE controller? |
| 23:31.14 | myren | ooh, my laptop is so much ahppier now |
| 23:31.19 | cddesjar | running aptitude dist-upgrade when you switch from stable to testing will upgrade everything. i think i'll still stick with stable for a while |
| 23:31.21 | Flimqy | alvanson: And some pressed CDs may not conform entirely to CD standards... in which case some drives may have difficulty reading them. |
| 23:31.26 | jasoncohen | caphuso, i'm now using my comast account w/o a space |
| 23:31.30 | Flimqy | alvanson: In short... just try another CD or two to be sure |
| 23:31.33 | jasoncohen | to make things easier |
| 23:31.34 | PerfDave | Anyway, I am going to bed. |
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| 23:31.39 | streuner | directhex: hm, and you thinking those issues arent solvable in etch? |
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| 23:31.46 | alvanson | PerfDave, could the mb kill a hard drive like that though? |
| 23:31.49 | caphuso | jasoncohen: good for you |
| 23:32.12 | Flimzy | alvanson: only if something is drastically wrong with it |
| 23:32.20 | alvanson | hmm |
| 23:32.24 | jasoncohen | ...so, what's the problem? i know the settings work because i just sent mail using the account in thunderbird with identical settings - SSL auth, same user/pass |
| 23:32.28 | alvanson | okay thanks, I will try |
| 23:32.37 | benjamindees | alvanson, no, but a bad power supply could |
| 23:32.43 | caphuso | "ssl auth"? |
| 23:33.02 | jasoncohen | sorry, SSL encryption |
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| 23:33.05 | directhex | streuner, solvable? not yet, for some of them. debian-kernel have not applied the patch i sent them for pentium-ms, they have a random other one that doesn't work but prevents the patch i found from applying. similarly, the xfree86 issues won;'t go away until etch has a new x server |
| 23:33.21 | glick | excuse me how can i get a single package from unstable? |
| 23:33.31 | jasoncohen | caphuso, do i have to tell exim4 to use SSL & the port? |
| 23:33.37 | iceliquid | I'm trying to setup my hostname properly, because mysql wont start without it, but i need a little bit of help...i'm running a pretty simple dhcp machine with apache and mysql, can anyone help? |
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| 23:34.03 | bucky | glick, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 23:34.34 | bucky | iceliquid, how did you install mysql ? |
| 23:34.40 | caphuso | jasoncohen: i have no idea. i don't use comcast |
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| 23:35.17 | streuner | directhex: ok |
| 23:35.18 | iceliquid | bucky, not sure, my friend installed it for me, but i'm positive its running. just when i start the machine and it tries to start up, it tells me that it cant resolve its own hostname |
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| 23:35.57 | bucky | iceliquid, which version of debian are you running/ |
| 23:36.40 | iceliquid | bucky: 3.1 I think... |
| 23:36.56 | bucky | iceliquid, what is your hostname? |
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| 23:37.17 | pattern_ | anyone know of a tool that will print out all the characters available in a given font? (not gucharmap, that doesn't print, nor does it seperate characters by fonts) |
| 23:37.38 | iceliquid | bucky: i'm not sure what to set it to, this is just a box behind a router. the error says that hos and "localhost" couldn't be looked up with resolveip |
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| 23:38.19 | iceliquid | bucky: i think i have my hostname set to 127.0.0.1 is localhost |
| 23:38.32 | bathat | i've recently build a pkg from kernel-source-2.6.8 and added it to grub but it can't handle the root location when i try to boot to it |
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| 23:39.01 | bucky | iceliquid, i don't know why you'd be having a problem as long as you're running sarge and apt-got mysql |
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| 23:39.16 | resiak | tarzeau: Ping |
| 23:39.30 | iceliquid | bucky: maybe you can help me set my hostname properly? then i'll try starting the service again and it'll probably work... |
| 23:40.02 | bucky | iceliquid, if your hostname is localhost.. it should work |
| 23:40.26 | iceliquid | bucky, maybe i need to setup bind...? |
| 23:40.31 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:40.53 | bucky | iceliquid, maybe you need to run hostname and see what your hostname really is |
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| 23:41.16 | iceliquid | bucky: it says "static-host" |
| 23:41.27 | xiaogil | is it possible to delete a "newline" that is at the end of a file, if there's one ? |
| 23:41.50 | bucky | iceliquid, who named your box? |
| 23:41.51 | streuner | directhex: the point is, many users want the latest GNOME, latest KDE, latest kernel... |
| 23:42.19 | iceliquid | bucky: a friend of mine who installed alot of htis for me. can you help me fix my hostname? |
| 23:42.29 | myren | i swear to god, if this kid plays squirrel nut zippers ONE MORE TIME |
| 23:42.31 | streuner | directhex: _we_ know those things are avaiable in debian, but some of them NOT in sarge... |
| 23:42.39 | directhex | streuner, ehich inevitably cause trouble every time they enter the debian archive. safer to avoid for the time being, at least until kde 3.4 and gnome 2.10 are in |
| 23:42.46 | bucky | do you have 127.0.0.1 localhost static-host in /etc/hosts? |
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| 23:43.15 | iceliquid | i just have "127.0.0.1 localhost" in that file |
| 23:43.25 | kasper | _daniel_:how do i find out what the other /dev is for my newley installed hd? |
| 23:43.32 | bucky | iceliquid, what does /sbin/runlevel say? |
| 23:43.39 | iceliquid | bucky: and i have some weird ipv6 stuff.... |
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| 23:43.49 | streuner | directhex: those packages could break in testing too |
| 23:44.24 | directhex | streuner, yeah, but testing is aless accident prone, due to the minimum waiting period |
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| 23:45.05 | lunaphyte_work | where can i read about why my security line in sources.list gives me 404s since sarge went stable? |
| 23:45.46 | shingouz | lunaphyte_work: does it show testing on the line? |
| 23:45.51 | caphuso | lunaphyte_work: on any of the few thousand places on the net where it says that testing doesn't have security |
| 23:45.59 | paulswm | xiaogil: if you mean convert a DOS text file to a Unix one, you can use dos2unix |
| 23:46.10 | iceliquid | bucky: sbin/runlevel says "N 5" |
| 23:46.23 | lunaphyte_work | shingouz: yes - line is deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 23:46.38 | shingouz | !tell lunaphyte_work about etch security |
| 23:46.40 | bucky | iceliquid, you need to ask your friend which distro you're using because it's not debian |
| 23:46.41 | iceliquid | bucky: sorry this is complicated, but thanks again for all your help |
| 23:46.51 | streuner | lunaphyte_work: there arent security patches for etch |
| 23:47.00 | streuner | but anyway, read this: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200506142140 |
| 23:47.16 | bucky | iceliquid, don't /msg me |
| 23:47.34 | cddesjar | when would someone use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
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| 23:47.51 | lunaphyte_work | i get it. so should i have been getting those errors when sarge was still testing? |
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| 23:48.41 | iceliquid | bucky: sorry. okay, i talked to him and he says this is running suse linux 8.1....can you still help me out with this weird hostname problem? |
| 23:49.04 | streuner | lunaphyte_work: i guess you use the 'old' isos of d-i |
| 23:49.16 | bucky | iceliquid, try asking in #suse |
| 23:49.21 | yoo | Can i install enlightenment e17 on my debian sid with apt ? |
| 23:49.26 | shingouz | lunaphyte_work: no because in the last month or so sarge had security even if it was testing |
| 23:49.29 | streuner | lunaphyte_work: in those isos were a bug which has false lines for sarge |
| 23:49.32 | yoo | Or i must compile myself ? |
| 23:49.35 | kasper | how can i find out what the /dev names are for a new hd? (i.e. /dev/hdc)??? |
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| 23:49.43 | bbrazil | kasper: check dmesg |
| 23:49.59 | bbrazil | kasper: fdisk -l is also good |
| 23:50.00 | lunaphyte_work | i see. |
| 23:50.02 | lunaphyte_work | thanks |
| 23:50.08 | kasper | bbrazil:ok thanks |
| 23:50.32 | streuner | yoo: /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:51.25 | streuner | yoo: usually you need an cvs account to get source of e17, i dunno its still the same... |
| 23:51.26 | kasper | bbrazil: ok found that. but when i goto 'moun -t ntfs /dev/hdb /mnt/winxp' i get a wrong filesystem type, bad option, bad superblock etc..... |
| 23:51.46 | bbrazil | kasper: ntfs is fun |
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| 23:52.19 | kasper | bbrazil: lol its headbanging fun. its just my backup from my crashed xp machine (go figure) |
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| 23:52.21 | streuner | yoo: that was about 1-2 years ago... |
| 23:52.40 | yoo | oki |
| 23:52.46 | bbrazil | kasper: you should be able to manage a read only, its been a while since I've done it and I need to sleep |
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| 23:53.13 | yoo | thank streuner |
| 23:53.18 | streuner | np |
| 23:54.33 | SiMatrix | How many Gets are there for a desktop net install approximately? |
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| 23:55.02 | vladster | I keep getting an error that says connection refused : Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:8118 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 23:55.22 | kelan | SiMatrix: gets? |
| 23:55.24 | kasper | bbrazil: ok narrowed it down to 'dmesg | tail' reveals that there is no boot sector for /dev/hdb and shows ntfs_error not and ntfs volume. (i just added it as a backup and wasn't used during the install of xp) |
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| 23:55.34 | vladster | Is there a setting in services that I have to specify? |
| 23:55.45 | kelan | SiMatrix: do you mean how many different packages are retrieved? |
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| 23:55.50 | magyar | ahoy |
| 23:55.52 | SiMatrix | kelan: Yes |
| 23:56.25 | kelan | SiMatrix: do you care more about the number or more about the total size of all the packages combined? |
| 23:57.43 | theccsscontact | heh i got that rare 8087 co proc 3 of em |
| 23:57.52 | directhex | SiMatrix, there are about 18000 packages in debian. you install the ones you want to. |
| 23:58.03 | SiMatrix | kelan: Well I am just impatient. It is up to 161 packages and says it has over 3 hrs left. |
| 23:58.21 | kelan | SiMatrix: how fast is your connection? |
| 23:58.53 | kelan | directhex: thats only mostly true. when doing an install, it has to download the base system, which has quite a few packages in it |
| 23:58.55 | SiMatrix | kelan: Doing to net desktop install of Debian. 34.7 kB/s is what the transfer rate is indicated as. |
| 23:59.50 | kelan | SiMatrix: well the time estimator probably knows what its talking about. seems like you'll just have to be patient |
