| 00:00.04 | cthulfuego | nono31: Maybe an option to the vfat module; try 'modinfo vfat' |
| 00:00.11 | nono31 | how does windows succeed to create directory upercase? |
| 00:00.14 | Gamerscomplete | ive apt-get remove apache quite a few times and re installed its just not working |
| 00:00.15 | paulswm | !singlishsmite cthulfuego |
| 00:00.17 | dpkg | cthulfuego: You damn cock up, ah you! |
| 00:00.31 | Gamerscomplete | Ive had it get messed up a few times because for some reason debian seems to think I want this caudium crap |
| 00:00.41 | paulswm | bye |
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| 00:00.50 | no_dammagE | cu |
| 00:00.56 | nono31 | cthulfuego: i don't have modinfo command... |
| 00:01.06 | WiFiTux | Gamerscomplete, works for me. You might need some others packages. open a browser and go into localhost and see what happends |
| 00:01.08 | cthulfuego | nono31: Yes you do. |
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| 00:01.14 | nono31 | cthulfuego: as root? |
| 00:01.19 | Radea | ET HAS A NEW CLAN. CHECK OUT #CAPLOCKWARRIORS, THX |
| 00:01.19 | no_dammagE | I think anjuta's ./configure will drive me mad now ... so many devpacks it wants ... |
| 00:01.25 | Gamerscomplete | well when I try and go to it I just get page not found |
| 00:01.38 | Gamerscomplete | action canceled |
| 00:01.38 | cthulfuego | nono31: Yes. Don't bother though, it has no options. |
| 00:01.49 | Radea | ugh |
| 00:01.58 | cthulfuego | Radea: What gave you the idea this was #offtopicspam? |
| 00:02.04 | Radea | accident |
| 00:02.09 | Radea | wrong network |
| 00:02.10 | Radea | :\ |
| 00:02.14 | Gamerscomplete | is there anyway to completely erase it so I can do a apt-get install apache all clean? |
| 00:02.38 | cthulfuego | I don't see how you can confuse freenode with dalnet on a week day |
| 00:03.02 | Lafitte- | is there anyway to remove all kde stuff from system ? |
| 00:03.07 | cthulfuego | Gamerscomplete: apt-get remove --purge |
| 00:03.14 | revelater | can i apt-get xorg? |
| 00:03.16 | Guerin | !remove kde |
| 00:03.16 | dpkg | from memory, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 00:03.18 | nono31 | cthulfuego: but how windows succeed to create upercase directory? |
| 00:03.18 | WiFiTux | --purge apache |
| 00:03.19 | Guerin | revelater: no. |
| 00:03.24 | cthulfuego | revelater: no. |
| 00:03.25 | Gamerscomplete | for the --purge do I add in what I want to purge? |
| 00:03.29 | revelater | but... its so much better |
| 00:03.30 | Gamerscomplete | oh ok thnx |
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| 00:03.32 | Guerin | Gamerscomplete: man apt-get |
| 00:03.44 | cthulfuego | nono31: it defaults to titlecase |
| 00:04.01 | cthulfuego | nono31: Try renaming a titlecase vfat directory to lowercase in windows; you can't. |
| 00:04.18 | Xenguy | Hi, I'm looking for help using emacs and nxml-mode ... |
| 00:04.22 | cthulfuego | revelater: no. |
| 00:04.34 | Xenguy | I see automatic syntax checking, but C-Ret gives no completion hints - anyone know why (I'm using Debian package 'nxml-mode') ? |
| 00:04.35 | Lafitte- | Guerin, ty |
| 00:04.39 | no_dammagE | where can I get gdl-1.0 >= 0.5.0 ? it is not in testing ... |
| 00:04.44 | nono31 | cthulfuego: yes but I can still rename to somehting else (different) and then rename it with diferent upercase letters... |
| 00:04.49 | Guerin | !ty |
| 00:04.49 | dpkg | well, ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player |
| 00:04.56 | revelater | !xorg |
| 00:05.02 | cthulfuego | nono31: Which just goes to how how much of a shit FS it is ;-) |
| 00:05.03 | Gamerscomplete | hey hey purging worked thanks guys |
| 00:05.07 | Gamerscomplete | appreciate the help |
| 00:05.09 | revelater | !x11 |
| 00:05.16 | deadcat | Guerin: i got splashy to work on shutdown/reboot. |
| 00:05.25 | revelater | where could i go to get xorg? |
| 00:05.31 | cthulfuego | revelater: away |
| 00:05.31 | Guerin | Xenguy: if your xml isn't valid, sometimes nxml-mode can't suggest anything |
| 00:05.39 | Guerin | Xenguy: since it can only make valid suggestions |
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| 00:06.05 | Lafitte- | !remove gnome |
| 00:06.05 | dpkg | well, remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove rest. |
| 00:06.10 | Guerin | Xenguy: the first thing you need to do is make sure your document is valid up to the point you want to edit |
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| 00:06.39 | Xenguy | Guerin: I think it is, but I'll check |
| 00:06.56 | nono31 | cthulfuego: there is some way (driver??:/) to recognize ext3 in windows? |
| 00:07.03 | Guerin | Xenguy: don't think; nxml-mode TELLS you. |
| 00:07.03 | cthulfuego | nono31: yes |
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| 00:07.07 | kmalloc | alguem aqui ja instalou drbd no sarge? |
| 00:07.12 | Guerin | !br |
| 00:07.12 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:07.13 | deadcat | no |
| 00:07.20 | nono31 | cthulfuego: how? |
| 00:07.23 | Guerin | !d-i kmalloc |
| 00:07.24 | dpkg | kmalloc, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:07.35 | cthulfuego | nono31: explore2fs is a freeware utility, but not very powerful. There's the payware ext2fsanywhere that can mount ext2/ext3 as drive letters. |
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| 00:08.21 | kmalloc | Guerin, ? |
| 00:08.22 | deadcat | mmm good smootie (= |
| 00:08.28 | nono31 | cthulfuego: hum thanks I'll definitly try this!!! (my work is using windows... :-( ) |
| 00:08.43 | no_dammagE | i hope anjuta won't require me to install of a size like glibc of which no deb is available (compiling gdl package ... ) ;) |
| 00:08.46 | nono31 | bye and thks all |
| 00:08.51 | deadcat | get out |
| 00:09.31 | Guerin | kmalloc: 1) if you want help in portugese go to #debian-br 2) if you want to install sarge go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:10.35 | nono31 | cthulfuego: seems that there is something called ext2fsd on sourceforge... already heard of it |
| 00:10.37 | nono31 | ? |
| 00:10.41 | resiak | nono31: It works. |
| 00:10.50 | cthulfuego | nono31: Nope |
| 00:10.54 | resiak | nono31: I can't vouch for its writing, but its reading is flawless. |
| 00:11.22 | Xenguy | Guerin: yes, the document is 'nxml valid'; I need a good example that will invoke an instance of this function I think. |
| 00:11.45 | kmalloc | Guerin, known drbd? |
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| 00:11.50 | NP_complete | hi |
| 00:11.54 | daft | what was the program that makes a image of the framebuffer? |
| 00:11.59 | Guerin | i have no fucking idea what a drbd is |
| 00:12.10 | deadcat | daft: you mean like bootsplash and those ? |
| 00:12.27 | Guerin | Xenguy: C-RET should work |
| 00:12.41 | Xenguy | Guerin: do you happen to know if I need to have 'trang' installed for this 'nxml-mode' suggestion function to work? |
| 00:12.55 | daft | making a image of it like printscreen or some thing |
| 00:13.03 | Guerin | Xenguy: if you got it using debian packages, all the deps will be installed |
| 00:13.11 | Xenguy | Guerin: nod |
| 00:13.14 | Guerin | Xenguy: to test it, make a blank document with a dtd and fuckall else and hit C-RET on that |
| 00:13.34 | Xenguy | Guerin: sounds like my next step - thanks |
| 00:13.40 | Guerin | Xenguy: are you asking in #emacs? I'm not the world's authority on this mode :) |
| 00:13.51 | deadcat | daft: what the hell you smoking? |
| 00:13.52 | daft | nevermind i found it fbgrab |
| 00:14.00 | daft | Weed ofc |
| 00:14.11 | deadcat | daft: thats taking screnshot of console. not making the background |
| 00:14.19 | Xenguy | Guerin: yeah, I'm working in #emacs but it is slow (and I'm an emacs newbie, so it's all kinda new :-) |
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| 00:15.15 | no_dammagE | emacs is slow: emacs means deciphered: eight megabytes and constantly swapping ;) |
| 00:16.14 | daft | deadcat: i never mentioned the word background |
| 00:16.20 | cthulfuego | no_dammagE: Serves you right for still using a 386 |
| 00:17.00 | deadcat | daft: ? |
| 00:17.07 | no_dammagE | :) btw, is there a really good tutorial for building deb packages? bcuz I want to create an anjute-2.0.0.0 one (and contribute) ... |
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| 00:17.26 | stew | no_dammagE: /msg dpkg maint-guide |
| 00:17.53 | Guerin | no_dammagE: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 00:18.01 | no_dammagE | stew, Guerin: ah, thanks |
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| 00:19.09 | Guerin | no_dammagE: my computer doesn't swap on eight megabytes of app |
| 00:19.30 | Guerin | no_dammagE: i think if you have a problem with that, you should invest in a computer made sometime in the 1990s |
| 00:19.48 | senhorseila | EU SOU UM ESTUDANTE ACADEMICO DE SISTEMAS DE INFORMAÇÃO, E FAZENDO UMA PESQUISA, TEM ALGUM BRASILEIRO? |
| 00:19.59 | deadcat | NO |
| 00:20.12 | cthulfuego | !br |
| 00:20.13 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:20.14 | Guerin | wow, i'm suffering from massive inability to read scrollback |
| 00:20.24 | senhorseila | ALEW |
| 00:20.24 | senhorseila | VALEW |
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| 00:20.36 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Welcome to your mid-life crisis. Shall we go shopping for a car? |
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| 00:20.54 | deadcat | Guerin: you hear aout splashy? |
| 00:21.06 | abrotman | !splashyt |
| 00:21.08 | abrotman | !splashy |
| 00:21.08 | cthulfuego | senhorseila: Please disable yor caps-lock, it's not necessary, we're prefactly able to not understand you in lowercase too. |
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| 00:21.51 | abrotman | cthulfuego: WHAT YOU SAY? |
| 00:21.53 | no_dammagE | **** **** **** **** **** error compiling, well,I'll have to cat /dev/urandom > /dev/brain now |
| 00:22.03 | Guerin | cthulfuego: It looks like you're having a midlife crisis. What would you like to do? * Buy an expensive red sports car * go on a pleasure cruise in the caribbean with playboy bunnies * stay at home like a sad loser with your wife and kids and 9-5 job |
| 00:22.12 | deadcat | !moron no_dammagE |
| 00:22.13 | dpkg | no_dammagE: You are moron #37 |
| 00:22.14 | Guerin | CrisisClippy! |
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| 00:22.27 | cthulfuego | Guerin: tupperware party? |
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| 00:22.38 | Guerin | hey, big spender! |
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| 00:22.54 | furrywolf | Guerin: that would make a perfect clippy-esque help factoid.... |
| 00:23.07 | peter___ | Hello. I accidentally (out of stupidity) removed libdb3 (instead of berkeley db which I was having problems with).. as a result, many packages were removed, like login, passwd, etc. |
| 00:23.17 | abrotman | how accidentally ? |
| 00:23.21 | Guerin | furrywolf: see, someone should write a virus which haxx0res clippy |
| 00:23.28 | abrotman | peter__: oh .. i heard about that .. we refer to that as "fucked" :) |
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| 00:23.35 | Guerin | It looks like windows has crashed again. What would you like to do? |
| 00:23.36 | furrywolf | how do you not notice the "3432 packages to be removed" warning? |
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| 00:23.59 | apt-get-remove-l | furrywolf no, I only say "type: do as I say!" and I did, without reading. |
| 00:24.12 | Guerin | you fucking imbecile |
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| 00:24.13 | furrywolf | lol |
| 00:24.15 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman any ideas on resurrection... |
| 00:24.19 | Guerin | welcome to reinstallsville |
| 00:24.21 | abrotman | furrywolf: and the "HEY .. THIS WILL HURT YOUR SYSTEM" |
| 00:24.23 | revelater | why wouldn't debian be using xorg? |
| 00:24.26 | furrywolf | !any ideas |
| 00:24.26 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of sex-crazed oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 00:24.30 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: yeah .. reinstall those packages |
| 00:24.38 | deadcat | revelater: because debian developers are lazy. |
| 00:24.44 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman I can't resintall passwd or login.. |
| 00:24.45 | Guerin | deadcat: oh, fuck off. |
| 00:24.51 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman because of weird dependencies |
| 00:24.52 | mrplum | I want to download the source of wine from the wine apt repository, but the debian version # is greater then the wine one. What do I do to override the debian version when typing apt-get source |
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| 00:24.53 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:24.59 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: you're fucked. Reinstall. |
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| 00:25.02 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman and I can't install libdb3 for those same reasons |
| 00:25.11 | hanjou | how to i change my computer name |
| 00:25.12 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin its a remotely hosted machine |
| 00:25.16 | Guerin | mrplum: use -t or =version |
| 00:25.21 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: ask them to re-image |
| 00:25.30 | deadcat | hanjou: /etc/hostname and grep -r hostname /etc/ |
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| 00:25.47 | Guerin | revelater: /msg dpkg xorg, read the necrotic.deadbeast.net link |
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| 00:27.04 | Guerin | !how long will 6GB take at 130k bytes/sec |
| 00:27.07 | Guerin | no |
| 00:27.09 | Guerin | 7GB |
| 00:27.12 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin any other way to resurrect? |
| 00:27.24 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin I absoltuely cannot reinstall from scratch... |
| 00:27.27 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: a lot of manual stuff |
| 00:27.31 | furrywolf | !7000000 / 130 / 60 |
| 00:27.31 | dpkg | 897.435897435897 |
| 00:27.37 | furrywolf | 897 hours or so. |
| 00:27.37 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: not unless you can force the deps; frankly it doesn't sound like you're competent enough with apt to do it |
| 00:27.37 | mrplum | Guerin, worked great thanks |
| 00:27.42 | hanjou | deadcat you rule |
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| 00:27.49 | furrywolf | s/hours/minutes. :) |
| 00:27.52 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: but otoh, it can't break any worse :) |
| 00:28.06 | Xenguy | Guerin: it does work (duh) -- thanks for your feedback |
| 00:28.12 | furrywolf | !7000000 / 130 / 60 / 60 |
| 00:28.12 | dpkg | 14.957264957265 |
| 00:28.15 | furrywolf | 15 hours |
| 00:28.17 | Guerin | 15 hours |
| 00:28.23 | Guerin | that's a long time to restore a backup |
| 00:28.31 | Guerin | good thing it's not really critical. |
| 00:28.40 | hanjou | do you feel its worth it ? |
| 00:28.41 | deadcat | hanjou: yes |
| 00:28.43 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: yeah .. no backups ? |
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| 00:28.46 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Add on compression. |
| 00:28.46 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin I tried apt-get -f it, but I get dependency errors |
| 00:28.47 | Lightning | evening |
| 00:28.49 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman shhh. |
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| 00:28.57 | Guerin | cthulfuego: oh, i'm restoring compressed |
| 00:29.11 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: yeah, plain apt-get -f won't work. You'll need wizzidry. |
| 00:29.12 | echo_ | How do I install my nvidia drivers after I've downloaded them? |
| 00:29.16 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: you can force deps .. you can also manually extract the debs .. and manually edit status files |
| 00:29.25 | deadcat | !tell echo_ about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | !tell echo_ about nvidia one liner |
| 00:29.32 | deadcat | i win |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | i won |
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| 00:29.51 | ethics | maybe the full howto based on the level of the question? |
| 00:29.52 | Lightning | been using linux on my gateway, decided to trash windows and use it on my main comp. problem, i grabbed the latest amd64 cd image and it doesnt reconize my sata cdrom on si3114 chipset |
| 00:29.57 | Lightning | any help? |
| 00:30.15 | echo_ | thanks guys ;) |
| 00:30.37 | stew | !lose abrotman |
| 00:30.37 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 00:30.39 | Eclipser | !win deadcat |
| 00:30.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, deadcat! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:30.44 | abrotman | i won! |
| 00:30.50 | abrotman | stew: where have you been hiding ? |
| 00:30.57 | stew | behind a pile of work |
| 00:30.58 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: ok, here's the plan as I'd go about it |
| 00:31.07 | abrotman | Lightning: #debian-amd64 |
| 00:31.18 | Lightning | thanks |
| 00:31.18 | stew | abrotman: go to mexico for a week starting saturday, so i'm trying to get ahead |
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| 00:31.26 | abrotman | stew: i would .. but you didn't ask me to join you :) |
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| 00:31.38 | stew | ^go^i am going |
| 00:31.48 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:32.26 | abrotman | that was quick |
| 00:32.30 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman is it possible to download sarge base debs or something and just install them? |
| 00:32.30 | Guerin | grr, wait |
| 00:32.42 | Guerin | i can't remember the exact syntax, but here it is |
| 00:32.47 | Lightning | seems the other chan is a bit idle |
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| 00:33.34 | Guerin | apt-get install packagesyouabsolutelyneed with the dpkg --force-depends string set |
| 00:33.42 | Ronin | dont jinx it |
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| 00:33.58 | deadcat | !jinx Ronin |
| 00:34.17 | echo_ | where do I go enable <non-free sources>? :o |
| 00:34.22 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: you're still in the system ? |
| 00:34.33 | Ronin | deadcat: i work for the local govt on windows boxs all day, i can't get any more jinked |
| 00:34.37 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: do you even have a way to download anything ? |
| 00:34.40 | Ronin | jinxed even |
| 00:34.43 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman yes, but I can;t log back in |
| 00:34.52 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman let me check |
| 00:34.52 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: do you have like wget or anyhting ? |
| 00:34.56 | abrotman | lynx ? |
| 00:35.00 | abrotman | links ? |
| 00:35.03 | deadcat | Ronin: hahaha. |
| 00:35.24 | deadcat | !tell echo_ about non-free |
| 00:35.24 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman wget works |
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| 00:35.36 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: what happens if you say .. apt-get install base-config ? |
| 00:36.04 | apt-get-remove-l | unmet dependencies, like adduser and passwd |
| 00:36.19 | abrotman | apt-get -d install base-config ? |
| 00:36.34 | apt-get-remove-l | ditto |
| 00:36.59 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: well . apparently you're going to have to download each individually and dpkg --force-depends them |
| 00:37.07 | apt-get-remove-l | ok |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | start with the ones base-config says it needs |
| 00:37.28 | Ronin | and then after youve done that all day rebuild the box |
| 00:37.30 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: oh, you're logged out? |
| 00:37.31 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: sarge or woody ? |
| 00:37.38 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin no |
| 00:37.43 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman sarge |
| 00:37.44 | mikeX | does sshd work behind a NAT? |
| 00:38.00 | abrotman | !depends base-config sarge |
| 00:38.01 | dpkg | base-config: depends on debconf (>= 1.3.22), apt, adduser, console-data (>= 2002.12.04dbs-16), console-tools, passwd (>= 20000902-6), bsdutils (>= 1:2.11l), debianutils (>= 1.6), gettext-base |
| 00:38.04 | deadcat | mikeX: sure |
| 00:38.20 | mikeX | deadcat, without any special configuration? |
| 00:38.29 | abrotman | on your router maybe |
| 00:39.09 | mikeX | hmm, some guy has port forwarding set on a XP box and I can't connect to a debian box on his lan |
| 00:39.19 | deadcat | abrotman: point the right port to the server. |
| 00:39.44 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: apt-get -o=APT::dpkg::force-depends='true' install packages you need |
| 00:39.47 | abrotman | deadcat: on the router |
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| 00:39.58 | hanjou | what does the /usr/bin folder do ? |
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| 00:40.07 | revelater | !kill mirc |
| 00:40.17 | revelater | i hate mirc |
| 00:40.19 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: the above line will override deps and just install the packages, which might allow apt-get -f install to work |
| 00:40.38 | WiFiTux | !hate revelater |
| 00:40.39 | deadcat | hanjou: that directory has your binary programs. DIRECTORY. not fucking folder |
| 00:40.40 | dpkg | I hate revelater! |
| 00:40.44 | hanjou | revelater stop using mirc then... |
| 00:40.52 | abrotman | !mirc |
| 00:40.52 | dpkg | from memory, mirc is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html |
| 00:41.00 | hanjou | revelater i meen stop using mirc... |
| 00:41.05 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin nope, for some reason it always tries to install screen (even though it's not on the list and libpam *) |
| 00:41.14 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin screen: Depends: passwd (>= 1:4.0.3-10) but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:41.23 | abrotman | so force passwd |
| 00:41.25 | hanjou | deadcat what does the /usr/bin folder do ? |
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| 00:41.31 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: did you try the line I gave you? with -o=? |
| 00:41.38 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin yes |
| 00:41.49 | apt-get-remove-l | (same result) |
| 00:41.49 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: did you get the passwd package yet ? |
| 00:41.55 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman I can't. |
| 00:41.55 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: add passwd to the list of packages to install |
| 00:41.55 | echo_ | so do I add these to my sources.list to get my nvidia driver working?: |
| 00:41.56 | deadcat | hanjou: if you keep using the word folder. no one is gonnan help you. |
| 00:41.56 | echo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.56 | echo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.56 | echo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.07 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: why not ? |
| 00:42.20 | deadcat | echo_: come again? then i'll laugh. because i said come.. HAHAHAH |
| 00:42.26 | Guerin | echo_: nvidia driver on stable? good luck. |
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| 00:42.51 | echo_ | deadcat, what do I need to add to my sources.list to get my nvidia driver? |
| 00:42.58 | ethics | echo_ well it allows you to download nvidia-glx and such... |
| 00:43.01 | apt-get-remove-l | ahhh.. it wants to remove bash pppoeconf |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | to install passwd ? |
| 00:43.12 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: can't remove bash |
| 00:43.17 | ethics | echo_ if your on stable its different |
| 00:43.18 | deadcat | echo_: only in testing and unstable. |
| 00:43.21 | Guerin | if you remove bash NOTHING will work anymore |
| 00:43.26 | Guerin | INCLUDING apt |
| 00:43.33 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman maybe it couldn't remove it during apt-get remove libdb3.. |
| 00:43.41 | echo_ | Im on stable I think |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: why can't you install passwd ? |
| 00:43.44 | Guerin | bash doesn't need libdb3 |
| 00:43.57 | echo_ | actually Im on testing |
| 00:43.58 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman it tries to remove bash and ppoeconf |
| 00:44.01 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:44.03 | deadcat | echo_: dont think. you are. |
| 00:44.05 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: are you using debian ? |
| 00:44.09 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman .... |
| 00:44.10 | Guerin | sorry, you're fucked. |
| 00:44.21 | echo_ | deadcat, so what do I do lol? |
| 00:44.24 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin no, I think there was some sort of queue for packages to remove |
| 00:44.26 | deadcat | apt-get-remove-l: just give up. like Guerin said. youre fucked. |
| 00:44.27 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 00:44.30 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin and it couldn't remove those two packages |
| 00:44.38 | deadcat | !tell echo_ about stable->testing |
| 00:44.39 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: this task requires MAD SKILLS to fix, and you don't have 'em. |
| 00:44.44 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin so whenever I do anything with apt, it will try to remove them |
| 00:44.51 | Lafitte- | how can i get gnome 2.10 installed apt-get is only 2.8 ? |
| 00:44.53 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin how do I remove them from the queue to be removed |
| 00:45.01 | abrotman | Lafitte-: why do you need 2.10 ? |
| 00:45.05 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: you install whatever's causing them to be removed. |
| 00:45.10 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: you have to manually edit files |
| 00:45.10 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman 3.1 |
| 00:45.20 | Lafitte- | abrotman, actually for 1 feature |
| 00:45.24 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman ok. which? |
| 00:45.50 | Lafitte- | abrotman, network monitor has features i need in that version |
| 00:45.52 | abrotman | i just don't understand how you got libdb3 to remove |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | Lafitte-: are you serious |
| 00:46.00 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:46.09 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: you really can't get the system reimaged ? |
| 00:46.28 | Guerin | Lafitte-: you install a WHOLE DE for a NETWORK MONITOR? |
| 00:46.38 | Lafitte- | abrotman, well yes im trying to do it...but if it cant be done |
| 00:46.45 | abrotman | how about . ntop ? |
| 00:46.47 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: of course he can; he's just a) cheap and b) doesn't have backups |
| 00:46.53 | hanjou | shutdown doesnt work anything else that i can use ? |
| 00:47.02 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:47.05 | ethics | Lafitte-, gnome 2.1 isnt in testing yet....and its a waste what you looking feature wise? |
| 00:47.05 | Guerin | abrotman: ^^^ |
| 00:47.08 | abrotman | Guerin: i know |
| 00:47.16 | abrotman | i realized it was for me :) |
| 00:47.17 | Lafitte- | Guerin, i would i have time |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | Lafitte-: ntop |
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| 00:47.36 | Lafitte- | abrotman, what is that ?? |
| 00:47.44 | apt-get-remove-l | I have backups of the essentials, but bringing up the entire system is not very feasible. |
| 00:47.48 | Guerin | Lafitte-: iptraf has features aplenty |
| 00:47.51 | abrotman | Lafitte-: apt-cache show ntop |
| 00:48.02 | apt-get-remove-l | in fact I was trying to setup subversion, and berkeleydb was screwed up for some reason |
| 00:48.18 | apt-get-remove-l | and wanting to remove it and compile it instead, I removed the wrong packages. |
| 00:48.22 | Lafitte- | the reason is because the new versio0n can set wireless keys and things and save them |
| 00:48.36 | ethics | Lafitte what are you looking for specifically network montor wise? |
| 00:49.21 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin anyway, to get apt to "work" I need to include login passwd and libdb3 : apt-get -o=APT::dpkg::force-depends='true' install passwd libdb3 login -- but it wants to remove bash and pppoeconf in the process. Can I force it not to remove those two? |
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| 00:49.41 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: add bash and pppoeconf to that list |
| 00:49.55 | abrotman | apt-get -o=APT::dpkg::force-depends='true' install passwd libdb3 login bash pppoe |
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| 00:49.56 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: and whatever else they depend on that you don't hacve installed |
| 00:49.57 | Lafitte- | ethics, i just need nice gui for wireless settings essid and keys and things |
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| 00:50.36 | Lafitte- | ethics, and one that will execute the changes and try to force dhcp when hitting ok |
| 00:50.42 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman tried -- E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100) |
| 00:50.54 | Guerin | grr, wtf |
| 00:51.06 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:51.39 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: try adding base-config base-files base-passwd |
| 00:51.40 | Guerin | we need someone leeter than me to check my -o= line |
| 00:51.43 | MarcN | I have a shiny new 140G drive for /Data, but wonder if I should bother with LVM2 (sarge). Stable? I really hate data loss |
| 00:51.56 | Lafitte- | ethics, only reason i know difference is because i saw it in Ubunutu which uses the 2.10 gnome |
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| 00:52.28 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman whatever I add, fails with the same sub process error |
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| 00:52.43 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: i have to honestly say .. you sound in a very very VERY bad spot |
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| 00:52.56 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: how far away is the machine ? |
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| 00:53.05 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman right after fetch: Fetched 626kB in 0s (1422kB/s) |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: or . it's in a colo facility ? |
| 00:53.07 | ethics | Lafitte-, to be honest id say your looking for features which etch will have ......do you really need it now? or can you get over it for a little while? |
| 00:53.12 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman 10 hours |
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| 00:53.51 | Lafitte- | ethics, i could love ust was wondering |
| 00:53.58 | ethics | Lafitte-, it sounds like the kind of thing you do once then dont touch... |
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| 00:54.03 | Lafitte- | s/live/love |
| 00:54.04 | abrotman | gnome2.10 is in experimental .. but it's called experimental for a reason |
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| 00:54.09 | revelater | hey, would the ubuntu binary of xorg work with sarge? |
| 00:54.11 | Gamerscomplete | does anyone know when there gonna add php5 to apt-get? |
| 00:54.14 | Bonkers- | how come ntpq peers shows that I'm synced to a stratum 2 server with only an offset of 4 and very low jitter, yet if I try to use this server from another computer on my network, the computer complains that the stratum is too high and that it is 16? |
| 00:54.20 | deadcat | revelater: try and let us know. |
| 00:54.27 | Guerin | revelater: if you can get it installed, yes. |
| 00:54.27 | abrotman | Gamerscomplete: i think there is info in the BTS |
| 00:54.27 | Lafitte- | it works nice in ubuntu |
| 00:54.36 | abrotman | !info php5 experimental |
| 00:54.40 | ethics | Lafitte-, but yeah unbutu is alot differnt to sarge......etch will be closer but its a waiting game for us |
| 00:54.40 | zumbi | i added a user to a group, but it doesn't appear to be there with id command... why ? |
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| 00:54.45 | Lafitte- | but ubuntu is too closed down and locked in |
| 00:54.49 | asg | zumbi: logout, login again |
| 00:55.02 | Lightning | anyone know if the normal i386 debian install will reconize the silicon image 3114 chipset so the cdrom is found? |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | Lightning: you'd have to trry the sarge installer |
| 00:55.14 | Lafitte- | ethics, yeah i always wait with debian hehe but it runs the best |
| 00:55.16 | spoopin | asg: help? |
| 00:55.21 | asg | spoopin: what's up? |
| 00:55.24 | Zone | sanity check: can someone try this on unstable: tar -c /tmp -f /tmp.tar -- does it spit to stdout or save to /tmp.tar? |
| 00:55.24 | spoopin | asg: mind if I call you |
| 00:55.28 | abrotman | Lightning: you did try hte 2.6 kernel on the amd64 installer .. (though . not sure there's a 2.4 on it) |
| 00:55.28 | deadcat | tehre was a link to get ubuntu xorg to work on debian sarge. but i dont remember the link. |
| 00:55.29 | asg | spoopin: sure |
| 00:55.29 | ethics | Lafitte-, yeah because its quirky as hell....unbutu is nto a stable its closer to unstable than our testing system |
| 00:55.35 | asg | spoopin: I don't mind that is |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | asg: what's he gonna call you ? |
| 00:55.40 | zumbi | ok asg, tnx, i su to the user, i was openning and closing a xterm |
| 00:55.41 | spoopin | asg: K hang on a sec |
| 00:55.42 | abrotman | daddy ? |
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| 00:55.46 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman any ideas on the sub process error? |
| 00:55.50 | deadcat | abrotman: what? |
| 00:55.58 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: yeah .. you're probably missing packages it needs :) |
| 00:55.58 | Lafitte- | yeah |
| 00:55.58 | ethics | Lafitte-, its got better hardware support for newer stuff but then you also get the experimental bugs... |
| 00:55.59 | Lightning | abrotman, yes i did. however it seems none of the modules load up a si3114 driver to interact |
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| 00:56.18 | abrotman | Lightning: you really need to ask #debian-amd64 ... you can just ask and idle |
| 00:56.22 | ethics | Lafitte-, if its not mission critical try not to go outside the apt sources |
| 00:56.43 | Lafitte- | ethics, yeah my gear is centrino and ubunutu first one ot pnp the hardware |
| 00:56.52 | Lightning | i did ask and indle. just trying to not kill my night :) |
| 00:56.57 | Lafitte- | ethics, ok i can mange with scripts then |
| 00:57.09 | apt-get-remove-l | abrotman in that case do I need to download the dpkg source and recompile it? |
| 00:57.15 | Lafitte- | ethics, thank you for the info and advice its taken |
| 00:57.16 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: NO |
| 00:57.17 | abrotman | apt-get-remove-l: that won't help you |
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| 00:57.41 | Lightning | of course, i wonder if there is a benefit of using the amd64 install, seems it is not in stable or supported (not even in the main list of cd images) |
| 00:57.50 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: you need to figure out why it's breaking. try different stuff. read man apt-get, man apt.conf and man dpkg, and look at the other options you have. |
| 00:57.58 | ethics | Lafitte-, yeah the unbutu 2.6.11 has really nice features for laptops.....but etch hopefully will come up to the hardware speed quikly.....new alsa, new modules for some storage devs etc |
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| 00:58.06 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: you're going to have to do some of this yourself, you realise. |
| 00:58.27 | tazrockon | how do I add the contrib and non-free archives to my sources.list? |
| 00:58.33 | ethics | Lafitte-, etch will be more desktoppy than sarge has been id expect... |
| 00:58.35 | abrotman | !tell tazrockon about contrib |
| 00:58.40 | ThomasThumb | I have woody but no nautilus. What is command for nautilus? |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | same thing for non-free |
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| 00:58.54 | abrotman | !tell ThomasThumb about woody->sarge |
| 00:58.56 | graet | i am using kde. all my g-type applications have very small fonts. see, e.g., http://kien.dyndns.biz/snapshot1. i could go to 'gnome control center' to set the font size bigger but it won't stay, it is lost after re-session. how to handle this? |
| 00:59.02 | abrotman | g-type ? |
| 00:59.16 | abrotman | i miss R-Type |
| 00:59.16 | JayParadise | im using gnome |
| 00:59.22 | graet | e.g. gftp |
| 00:59.45 | asg | abrotman: a right bleedin' bastard |
| 00:59.46 | Guerin | graet: use 'switch' and/or 'switch2 |
| 00:59.54 | apt-get-remove-l | Guerin haha. no man. |
| 00:59.59 | Guerin | from the gtk-theme-switch package |
| 01:00.09 | Guerin | apt-get-remove-l: manpages are available online. |
| 01:00.09 | ThomasThumb | I have to go to Sarge to get Nautilus? |
| 01:00.10 | graet | is 'switch' a command or package? |
| 01:00.14 | abrotman | asg: you should fire him ! |
| 01:00.19 | deadcat | ThomasThumb: no. woody has it too. |
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| 01:00.23 | Rawplayer | does anyone have a intel stl2 server mainboard? |
| 01:00.24 | asg | abrotman: nah, you can't fire old friends. |
| 01:00.25 | Zone | graet: as a hack you can edit your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and put a line like 'gtk-font-name = "Nimbus Sans L 12"' |
| 01:00.31 | ThomasThumb | apt-get install WHAT? |
| 01:00.32 | deadcat | graet: apt-cache search |
| 01:00.37 | abrotman | deadcat: gnome1.4 has nautilus ? |
| 01:00.44 | asg | abrotman: he just needed a file and didn't have access from outside. |
| 01:00.48 | deadcat | abrotman: no clue. gnome is shit. |
| 01:00.51 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 01:00.55 | abrotman | !info nautilus woody |
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| 01:00.57 | lost | anyone try out Cacti's graphing tool? |
| 01:00.58 | dpkg | nautilus: (file manager and graphical shell), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-5 (woody), Packaged size: 8355 kB, Installed size: 16552 kB |
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| 01:01.04 | ethics | Rawplayer: why? |
| 01:01.04 | abrotman | holy crap . it is there |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | ThomasThumb: apt-get install nautilus |
| 01:01.12 | asg | lost: it's good if you can figure out how the hell to get it to work. |
| 01:01.13 | deadcat | abrotman: i win again |
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| 01:01.19 | Rawplayer | ethics: do you have one? |
| 01:01.20 | abrotman | deadcat: it's been so long :) |
| 01:01.23 | lost | asg- yeah! U telling me hahaha |
| 01:01.28 | lost | asg- did u get it to work? |
| 01:01.31 | graet | Guerin, can you be more specified about 'swoitch'? |
| 01:01.36 | deadcat | !u |
| 01:01.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:01.46 | ThomasThumb | Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:02.06 | asg | lost: I did fsvo of work. I've gone back to using rrdtool (that's at least grokable and doesn't require fooling with a web interface.) |
| 01:02.06 | ethics | Rawplayer, i had one in a server a week ago and swapped it out but thats only coz i hate intel boards... |
| 01:02.12 | asg | s/of// |
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| 01:02.26 | Rawplayer | which kind of server chassis and with which type of power supply? |
| 01:02.32 | Guerin | graet: switch, sorry |
| 01:02.42 | Rawplayer | i have a non intel server chassis and i cant get it working |
| 01:02.43 | lost | asg- i cant get it to poll the poller.php in my cronjob unless its running as root |
| 01:02.45 | PR- | i'instaled debian sarge, only the base system, then i installed enlightenment evolution, but when i run evolution, after i config the mail setting evolution crashes |
| 01:02.56 | PR- | can anybody help me? |
| 01:03.12 | Guerin | Rawplayer: what matters are 1) output voltages from the psu and 2) plugs |
| 01:03.31 | Rawplayer | which plugs |
| 01:03.36 | Rawplayer | i think thats the problem |
| 01:03.40 | Guerin | PR-: apt-get remove --purge evolution is a big help in this case |
| 01:03.44 | Rawplayer | the power supply is ok |
| 01:03.50 | Rawplayer | 24pins atx 300watt |
| 01:03.50 | Guerin | Rawplayer: the ones which plug into the mobo, or not |
| 01:04.10 | asg | lost: anything in /usr/share/doc/cacti/* relating to that issue? |
| 01:04.16 | Guerin | Rawplayer: if the plugs fit, it should work. |
| 01:04.23 | Rawplayer | well when i boot the system i can only see stripes on my screen |
| 01:04.26 | PR- | i done it already, and then install it again, the the result is the same |
| 01:04.26 | Rawplayer | nothing more |
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| 01:05.30 | Guerin | graet: apt-get install gtk-theme-swith; run 'switch' and 'switch2' from a cli |
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| 01:05.34 | Guerin | Rawplayer: hell i know then |
| 01:05.45 | erps | Is there a mailer preference for debian sarge? exim4 vs qmail? I'm personally used to qmail -- but everything I'm finding on setting up qmail under debian is old and for woody. |
| 01:05.58 | asg | erps: exim4 is the default, qmail isn't in debian. |
| 01:06.12 | erps | asg, meh, ok. |
| 01:06.13 | Guerin | erps: wtf? qmail hasn't chaned in YEARS. |
| 01:06.15 | Guerin | or changed |
| 01:06.22 | asg | erps: qmail also hasn't changed in years |
| 01:06.27 | erps | Ok. |
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| 01:06.37 | erps | sorry, just what I'm used to using, it's why I asked. |
| 01:06.41 | Ronin | erps: personal choice and as asg said but qmail is easily installed and its changed in thatits got patchs to be installed |
| 01:06.42 | Guerin | but you should use exim, because qmail is shit |
| 01:06.49 | asg | erps: if you want qmail, install the qmail-src package |
| 01:06.51 | PR- | guerin: i done it already, and then install it again, the the result is the same |
| 01:06.51 | Ronin | point of view |
| 01:07.07 | asg | erps: it will take care of compiling it and providing the necessary plumbing for debian to work. |
| 01:07.17 | Guerin | and broken |
| 01:07.17 | Guerin | and fucked-up in a hundred different ways |
| 01:07.29 | lost | asg- i dont see anything in /usr/share/doc relating to cacti |
| 01:07.37 | Ronin | Guerin: uh huh but im not going there |
| 01:07.38 | erps | Guerin, Thanks :p |
| 01:07.39 | asg | lost: did you install the debian cacti package? |
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| 01:07.59 | graet | if i want to download the source for package A, i know i i need to add a line to the sources.list. besides that, do i have to 'apt-get install source A'? |
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| 01:08.11 | Guerin | graet: man apt-get |
| 01:08.17 | asg | !source |
| 01:08.17 | dpkg | Use 'apt-setup' to add a deb-src line to your sources.list. Then 'apt-get build-dep foo' to fetch the build deps, then finally 'apt-get [-b] source foo' to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc. The source is unpacked in `pwd` and the diff.gz is applied. -b compiles it for you; if you want to compile it yourself, use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" from within the unpacked dir. Don't forget to install debhelper! |
| 01:08.21 | Ronin | erps: Guerin is a bit biased so theyre opinons clouded :) |
| 01:08.33 | graet | come on, what's a chat for? |
| 01:08.46 | asg | graet: telling people to read manpages, what else |
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| 01:08.53 | sandzak | hi, kppp after connecting hang on Expectig: Login: |
| 01:09.02 | asg | graet: oh, and talking about ice cream and spiders in .au |
| 01:09.05 | Guerin | no, I'm not biased |
| 01:09.06 | revelater | i accidently configured dpkg, and now it asks me to change things through nano, how do i make it ask me in the blue screen again? |
| 01:09.07 | Guerin | I'm informed |
| 01:09.10 | Guerin | !qmail |
| 01:09.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or ... |
| 01:09.23 | asg | revelater: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 01:09.34 | Guerin | read that thread on debian-isp for a litany of reasons why qmail is such a POS |
| 01:09.50 | hikenboot_ | hello all its me again..this time i am trying to get beagle installed (desktop search ) when I issue dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot I get a message about faild dependancies..How do i determine which dependancies arnt there? |
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| 01:11.23 | asg | Guerin: personally, I like qmail, it just isn't capable of doing what I need without jumping through more hoops than I care to jump through. |
| 01:12.16 | Guerin | asg: its default reject-handling behavior is appalling. |
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| 01:12.22 | Guerin | (for a start) |
| 01:12.28 | erps | Guerin, I see. So the long and short of it is that it requires you to distribute it via source rather than prebuilt debian packages.. And comes down to the same issue most people have with this package or that package - a difference in ideological view of license ussage? |
| 01:12.28 | FieldySnuts | lots of stuff is appaling in qmail |
| 01:12.36 | FieldySnuts | use postfix or exim |
| 01:12.39 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start an mta war |
| 01:12.39 | dpkg | exim is a spam magnet |
| 01:12.44 | asg | Guerin: well, there are plenty of defaults that are appaling (like being an open relay for a start.) |
| 01:12.56 | Guerin | erps: no; the license is one thing, but I hate it for technical reasons. |
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| 01:13.02 | irfaN | hi all |
| 01:13.03 | irfaN | i have ethernet, Marvell Yukon 88E8050 Gigabit. i downloaded 100 mb sarge .iso file.. and im trying to install it. but i couldnt find my eth driver on boot screen. i installed it without eth driver. now i couldnt make for compiling kernel again. what can i do for this? |
| 01:13.24 | Guerin | asg: yeah. |
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| 01:14.12 | repl | what version/filename do i download for a net install for an amd64 processor? |
| 01:14.26 | revelater | i accidently deleted my X11 directory in /etc, now i can't reinstall cause it can't see that the stuff was removed... |
| 01:14.39 | revelater | how do i fix it? |
| 01:14.42 | asg | Guerin: technically, though, the architecture isn't half bad. You just need to understand that people who have PHDs from U. Chicago are all assholes (and demand that you consider them to be superior.) |
| 01:14.44 | Guerin | revelater: you fucking idiot |
| 01:15.06 | irfaN | i have ethernet, Marvell Yukon 88E8050 Gigabit. i downloaded 100 mb sarge .iso file.. and im trying to install it. but i couldnt find my eth driver on boot screen. i installed it without eth driver. now i couldnt run "make" for compiling kernel again. what can i do for this? |
| 01:15.06 | asg | repl: #debian-amd64 |
| 01:15.11 | ericb_ | revelater that wasn't a good idea really |
| 01:15.14 | Guerin | asg: and learn their stupid config file magic instead of implementing sane configuration schemes. |
| 01:15.21 | revelater | too late (i think |
| 01:15.22 | revelater | ) |
| 01:15.27 | Guerin | revelater: dpkg --force-help |
| 01:15.33 | Guerin | revelater: read |
| 01:15.33 | asg | Marvell Yukon sounds like some super hero potato |
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| 01:16.02 | SantaOne | hi |
| 01:16.14 | Flimzy | revelater: You _should_ be able to force a reinstall |
| 01:16.22 | graet | how to search for the source for a package ? |
| 01:16.38 | asg | Guerin: I like split configs, but that's a personal preference. Like I said, there are things that qmail cannot do without a great deal of script-fu that exim does with a few config item tweaks. |
| 01:16.38 | Guerin | !pdo |
| 01:16.38 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. |
| 01:16.52 | Guerin | ah, fuckit, I have to work |
| 01:17.06 | revelater | unless ok so i just apt-get install -f x-window-system? |
| 01:17.08 | SantaOne | Please tell me what you can see here: http://85.124.77.138/test.txt |
| 01:17.09 | ethics | irFaN: that cards not supported yet....PCI-E networking |
| 01:17.14 | SantaOne | (just an up-test) |
| 01:17.26 | abrotman | uhm .. no ? |
| 01:17.35 | asg | revelater: no, /msg dpkg confmiss (and figure out which packages to use that one that provide the ones you lost in /etc/X11...good luck) |
| 01:17.37 | abrotman | Guerin: did that guy get his apt flowing again ? |
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| 01:18.07 | irfaN | ethics, what can i do for this ? |
| 01:18.17 | graet | when i do 'apt-cache search' for package A, should the source appears too, if it is there? |
| 01:18.33 | SantaOne | abrotman: do you see me? |
| 01:18.35 | asg | graet: no |
| 01:18.37 | abrotman | no .. they are basically the same package .. it's up to you to decide how you get the source |
| 01:18.39 | revelater | ummm.... |
| 01:18.44 | abrotman | SantaOne: you're in #debian . everyone can see you |
| 01:18.50 | asg | revelater: better to restore from backups |
| 01:18.53 | SantaOne | abrotman: please do me a favour... please open http://85.124.77.138/test.txt and tell me what you can see there |
| 01:19.00 | revelater | why can't i force dpkg to reread its currently installed packagelist? |
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| 01:19.09 | SantaOne | abrotman: thats a testsite for beeing sure that my firewall let you connect my apache webserver |
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| 01:19.25 | asg | SantaOne: something about einstein and some animal sex |
| 01:19.27 | SantaOne | abrotman: I can see it myself but this is my localhost so maybe other people canntot see it |
| 01:19.29 | revelater | asg, i just installed the damn system, i haven't backed up yet |
| 01:19.42 | SantaOne | asg: so you can reach it? |
| 01:19.52 | irfaN | ethics, can write a driver for me that? |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | SantaOne: it doesn't like telnet |
| 01:19.57 | asg | SantaOne: yes, otherwise, you might say I'm psychic |
| 01:20.00 | graet | when i do a 'apt-get install source A', the response was "Could not oopen file...", does it mean there is no source? |
| 01:20.10 | SantaOne | ok thank you asg and abrotman |
| 01:20.13 | SantaOne | I gotta go |
| 01:20.16 | SantaOne | thank you! |
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| 01:20.21 | erps | Oh, and there's why I was shuffling away from exim4. Wish I'd read that earlier.. |
| 01:20.33 | asg | erps: read what? |
| 01:20.36 | erps | So, if I read this right. exim4-light doesn't support spamassassin, exim4-heavy does? |
| 01:20.41 | asg | erps: yes |
| 01:20.47 | irfaN | ethics, i maked base installation of sarge but now there is no "make " command for building kernel 2.6.9 |
| 01:20.51 | erps | :p THAT would have helped about 8 hours ago. |
| 01:20.59 | asg | erps: ah |
| 01:21.00 | caphuso | depends on how you want to include spamassassin |
| 01:21.09 | erps | Which yah, if I'd looked at the package notes I'd have noticed, blah blah blah. |
| 01:21.11 | ethics | irfan wait for a driver......i |
| 01:21.26 | irfaN | ethics, ok, thanks :-( |
| 01:21.32 | ethics | irfaN, there is no 2.6.9 kernel for sarge |
| 01:21.34 | erps | caphuso, as something that sits around and checks all email coming in and catches spam to all mail accounts on the server at all times. |
| 01:21.46 | ethics | irfan hang in here a sec im doublechecking for you |
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| 01:22.24 | caphuso | erps: well, duh, that's somewhat obvious |
| 01:22.38 | erps | caphuso, :p |
| 01:24.17 | irfaN | ethics, 2.6.11.9 kernel < > Marvell Yukon Chipset / SysKonnect SK-98xx Support |
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| 01:24.39 | ethics | irfan yeah experimental module |
| 01:24.46 | irfaN | ethics, x - Marvell 88E8050 Gigabit LOM Ethernet Adapter (Intel) |
| 01:24.50 | irfaN | ethics, yepp |
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| 01:25.42 | irfaN | ethics, i maked base installation of sarge but now there is no "make " command for building kernel 2.6.9 |
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| 01:25.44 | ethics | irfaN: i think about the only thing you could try is grabbing the 2.6.11 kernel from unstable and try it .... |
| 01:25.45 | revelater | going for a full system reinstall, be back in an hour or so |
| 01:26.18 | ethics | irfaN, irfan yeah make isnt base....its part of gcc i thinks |
| 01:26.30 | initech | is there a limit on the number of groups a user can be in? I'm having a weird nis problem with groups ... |
| 01:27.21 | zinx | initech: yes. the user can only be in as many groups as there are. |
| 01:27.36 | caphuso | initech: 32 or so |
| 01:27.44 | ethics | zinx: you could be a member twice if your aliased.... |
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| 01:28.00 | ethics | zinx 8P{ |
| 01:28.25 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 01:28.40 | asg | raymond luxury yacht |
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| 01:29.39 | ethics | irFan id just put a cheap realtk nic in for the shorterm...that way ytou can laod up everything then try making newer kernels |
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| 01:31.13 | sandzak | I have problem with kppp, hangup after Expectig: ogin: ???? |
| 01:31.30 | sandzak | help please |
| 01:31.47 | asg | sandzak: sounds like a job for #debian-kde |
| 01:31.56 | sandzak | ok |
| 01:32.10 | dvs | irfaN: You can't load the sk98lin driver? |
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| 01:32.47 | irfaN | ethics, thanks |
| 01:32.47 | ethics | dvs: iw as just about to ask that hehe...the older version of the same chipstyle use that |
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| 01:32.50 | cdemwell | Hi |
| 01:33.10 | graet | i can't fetch package's source. i have 'deb-src...' line in the sources.list and then i do a 'apt-get source A' but the response is alwasy "Can't open ifle..." |
| 01:33.23 | ethics | irfaN, modprobe sk98lin as root then lsmod and see if it stuck in the list |
| 01:33.32 | asg | graet: did you apt-get update? |
| 01:33.47 | graet | just to get a source? |
| 01:33.55 | cdemwell | I've done something dumb and I'm not sure how to recover; I recompiled my kernel and forgot that because my root partition is on LVM, I need an initrd to be able to boot |
| 01:34.02 | asg | graet: if you add to /etc/apt/sources.list, you must update said list with apt-get update |
| 01:34.14 | graet | ok, thanks. |
| 01:34.15 | cdemwell | so I've got a copy of Debian From Scratch as a rescue CD |
| 01:34.26 | cdemwell | and I'm trying to figure out how to be able to boot off the disk again :\ |
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| 01:35.55 | cdemwell | Does anyone here have experience with mkinitrd who can help me? |
| 01:36.03 | graet | asg, i have got the source. thanks. bye, folks. |
| 01:36.28 | ethics | irFan: http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?dId=107&pId=10 linux driver from manufacturer to make |
| 01:36.55 | asg | cdemwell: you edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf to suit and run mkinitrd(8). |
| 01:36.58 | irfaN | oooo, ethics , you super |
| 01:37.06 | irfaN | very thanks :-) |
| 01:37.21 | cdemwell | asg, OK, yes, I got that far. It doesn't work. |
| 01:37.23 | ethics | irfaN, i still think you need to load up via a realtek tho as it will need gcc etc |
| 01:37.35 | asg | cdemwell: in what way does it not work? |
| 01:37.49 | cdemwell | Let me get the error... |
| 01:37.59 | cdemwell | ah yes |
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| 01:38.04 | cdemwell | It says that the kernel doesn't support LVM |
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| 01:38.08 | cdemwell | Although it does! |
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| 01:38.30 | asg | cdemwell: when you run mkinitrd? or when you try to boot the kernel + initrd? |
| 01:38.39 | cdemwell | When I run mkinitrd, it complains |
| 01:38.43 | irfaN | ok ethics , I a testing |
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| 01:39.58 | cdemwell | asg: Do you want the exact complaint? I can reproduce it, it just takes a minute |
| 01:40.14 | asg | cdemwell: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg00327.html (might be helpful, or at least point you to some things to poke at.) |
| 01:40.20 | initech | caphuso: evidently the group limit is 16 over rpc - an RFC mandated thing |
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| 01:41.33 | cdemwell | hmmm |
| 01:41.35 | jasoncohen | i sent an installation report and got an automated reply saying that my email was sent to the Debian Install team (debian-boot@lists.debian.org). is this correct? |
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| 01:41.43 | cdemwell | asg: That says mkinitrd has a bug |
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| 01:42.39 | asg | cdemwell: well, you might check the bts to find the bug, see if it was fixed and also any workarounds listed. I don't use LVM so I cannot be of more help, I'm sorry. |
| 01:42.42 | lilgg | hello, when X starts my keyboard stops workin. whats the problem? |
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| 01:42.49 | samuel | sup all |
| 01:43.03 | ethics | ok now thats facktoided 8) |
| 01:43.22 | asg | jasoncohen: did you send it to the debian-boot list? |
| 01:43.26 | samuel | do i need something called "bind9-host"? im not running a dns server... so why "host"? |
| 01:43.27 | ethics | irfaN, let me know how you go |
| 01:43.34 | nonoo | Possibly An easy question: I'm trying to get my Dlink network card working on a fresh debian installation, I need to get the drivers on box, but it doesn't have internet yet(obviously) and the floppy doesn't work. My only other option is CD, is there any special care I need to take to make this thing readable if I burn it in windows? |
| 01:44.00 | ethics | samuel, well you can cache them locally.....means you dont ask the net so much but its negligable |
| 01:44.08 | asg | samuel: client tools for querying dns servers for debugging purposes. If you have it, you either a) installed it or b) something installed it for you to satisfy a dependancy. |
| 01:44.48 | samuel | hmmm..... thanks, i guess ill get rid of it then... |
| 01:44.48 | pitillo | lilgg, review your xfree86 log to find out any error with your keyboard |
| 01:44.50 | irfaN | ethics, I dont speak english :-( I bad speak englis.. I go install to http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?dId=107&pId=10 |
| 01:45.20 | samuel | asg, i see now... it was gnome-nettool |
| 01:45.23 | samuel | thx |
| 01:45.26 | asg | samuel: you're welcome |
| 01:45.37 | dvs | nonoo: Why do you need the drivers out of the box? |
| 01:46.22 | lilgg | thx |
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| 01:47.15 | nonoo | What do you mean out of the box? I was going to use the ones downloaded online |
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| 01:47.29 | jasoncohen | asg, i sent it to submit@bugs.debian.org with the title installation-report |
| 01:47.38 | asg | jasoncohen: then that's fine |
| 01:47.47 | dvs | nonoo: What does "lspci | grep Eth" say? |
| 01:48.06 | irfaN | ethics, I back to come |
| 01:48.27 | cafuego | The marvell gigabit chip is supported by the 2.6 and late 2.4 kernels. |
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| 01:48.54 | dvs | like mine |
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| 01:48.59 | cafuego | and mine |
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| 01:49.12 | nonoo | 23:00.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System IN: Unknown device 1340 (rev 10) |
| 01:49.32 | dvs | ouch! |
| 01:49.40 | cafuego | Just because 'lspci' has an out-of-date db doesn't mean it won't work. |
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| 01:49.52 | cafuego | 'sudo update-pciids' |
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| 01:50.17 | nono31 | resiak: you said that ext2fsd is good for reading but not writing... what happens in writing? loss? |
| 01:50.23 | dvs | nonoo: If you're burning an .iso, there isn't anything special you have to be aware of. |
| 01:50.33 | Je | hey can someone help me out my sound isn't working i already did adduser username audio the drivers are already loaded it in the kernel when i open the aumix is giving me this error aumix: error opening mixer any ideas? |
| 01:50.34 | resiak | nono31: No, I said that I had no idea if it works for writing. |
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| 01:51.10 | cafuego | Seeing as writing is a specific option that needs enabling, i'd say there's a chance it will destroy data. |
| 01:51.30 | nono31 | resiak: thx. I'll try |
| 01:51.36 | dvs | Je: Which audio driver did you load? |
| 01:51.40 | Je | ac97 |
| 01:51.44 | resiak | !ac97 |
| 01:51.44 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 01:51.45 | asg | !ac97 |
| 01:51.56 | resiak | nono31: IIRC they say not to use them on ext3, but I can't remember. |
| 01:52.02 | Je | i already loaded those modules |
| 01:52.06 | Je | but it still doesn't work |
| 01:52.08 | dvs | Je: Which ones? |
| 01:52.12 | dvs | exactly |
| 01:52.17 | samuel | what was the name of the program that deletes unused library packages please? |
| 01:52.23 | asg | samuel: deborphan |
| 01:52.28 | Je | snd-ac97-codec + (No description available) x |
| 01:52.29 | samuel | asg, thanks! |
| 01:52.30 | Je | x snd-ak4531-codec + (No description available) |
| 01:52.42 | dvs | Je: aumix ain't going to do you any good |
| 01:52.49 | dvs | Je: You have to use alsamixergui |
| 01:52.55 | Je | yeah i know is there any way to bring the drivers back up? |
| 01:53.08 | resiak | Je: alsaconf ? |
| 01:53.13 | nonoo | Sorry, I guess I don't need the drivers but how do I get the card to become eth0 when I plug it in? |
| 01:53.13 | dvs | Je: "modprobe" as root? |
| 01:53.19 | Je | dvs: yeah |
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| 01:53.40 | dvs | Je: then what do you mean by " is there any way to bring the drivers back up?" |
| 01:53.46 | nono31 | resiak: I'll try on ext2... you know a soft that resize vfat partition in linux? |
| 01:53.51 | Je | the sound back up |
| 01:54.20 | dvs | Je: apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 01:55.18 | resiak | nono31: apt-cache search does. Why don't you see if you can find one? |
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| 01:56.38 | Moonscope | hi, i want to setup iptables to block all eth0 connections apart from a few ips, would i use 'iptables -A INPUT -s eth0 -j DROP' ? |
| 01:56.45 | ethics | nono31: rapted maybee?? |
| 01:56.54 | ethics | nono31, parted rather |
| 01:56.56 | resiak | ethics: No spoonfeeding! |
| 01:57.05 | torgrimt_ | hi. anyone had problems with mailmans qrunner prosess eating up 800mb of memory? and runs very very slow? from smtp log i can see that it uses like 20 seks to send 5 mail. and smtp server is localhost |
| 01:57.06 | asg | Moonscope: #iptables is a better place to ask |
| 01:57.06 | Moonscope | and then add another line for the ones to allow after that line? |
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| 01:57.23 | nonoo | Here is my current situation, bare bones fresh 3.0r5 install with no xwindows yet. I have a D-Link pcmcia card (DFE-690TXD), and when I plug it into my laptop I get "cs: cb_alloc(bus 32): vendor 0x1186, device 0x1340" and then I have to press enter |
| 01:57.24 | ethics | resiak: oops sorry hehe |
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| 01:57.37 | Je | damn i wonder why my sound card sound so loud |
| 01:57.55 | ethics | nonoo: yeah did you load the module for the card? |
| 01:57.59 | asg | nonoo: you are better off using the new sarge installer, not woody (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 01:58.05 | cafuego | Moonscope: No. You need to set the policy to DROP (-P DROP) and then 1) Allow data from already established commections and 2) New connections from those IPs. |
| 01:58.18 | ethics | Je, volume set high prolly? |
| 01:58.23 | Azar | hi guys.. how could I change this.... when I upgraded to Sarge, and configured Debconf, I picked Readline and now I see it is a bit hard to read it, how can I change this back to "panel" style ? |
| 01:58.36 | asg | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 01:58.40 | nonoo | asg: as in scrap this install, get sarge, and reinstall that? |
| 01:58.41 | asg | Azar: choose 'dialog' |
| 01:58.47 | Azar | thank you asg :) |
| 01:59.00 | asg | nonoo: yes, sarge will be stable in a few days. Woody is old and not suggested for laptops |
| 01:59.15 | dvs | nonoo: Or anything recent |
| 01:59.18 | Moonscope | cafuego: so iptables -A INPUT -s eth0 -P DROP ? |
| 01:59.25 | Moonscope | cafuego: then ?? |
| 01:59.44 | resiak | !duke nukem forever |
| 01:59.48 | resiak | :-( |
| 02:00.07 | BernardBarker | !start a distro war |
| 02:00.07 | dpkg | RedHat is stupid! |
| 02:00.11 | asg | resiak: I'm just waiting for nethack with the greycat options |
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| 02:00.45 | nonoo | asg: Ironically, I thought I was getting sarge. All well, here goes. Should I chance a netist image or just get a full CD? |
| 02:01.01 | asg | nonoo: I'd try a netinstall image first. |
| 02:01.09 | K_Dallas | nonooL netins would be enough |
| 02:01.24 | HAMM3R | can anyone help me? i am having some problems with a new instal of debian |
| 02:01.37 | LSorense | HAMM3R: are you able to tell peopel waht the problem is? :) |
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| 02:01.41 | astronut | HAMM3R: can you be more specific? |
| 02:01.45 | HAMM3R | sure |
| 02:01.49 | HAMM3R | 1 moment |
| 02:02.07 | cafuego | Moonscope: No, go read the docs: /usr/share/doc/iptables/html |
| 02:02.14 | Moonscope | cafuego: thx |
| 02:02.30 | at0m|c | anyone know a repository for alsa 1.0.9? |
| 02:02.38 | LSorense | at0m|c: what do you mean? |
| 02:02.44 | HAMM3R | all i have is a simple, text, command prompt like thing. my freind says when he installed he went straight to a GUI similar to windows |
| 02:02.49 | at0m|c | found some dl links, but they didnt offer an entry for sources.list |
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| 02:02.51 | HAMM3R | what do i need to do to use that? |
| 02:03.03 | ethics | atomic : alsa-source will get you to 1.0.8.....what card? |
| 02:03.03 | at0m|c | so i compiled it manually this afternoon |
| 02:03.11 | Azar | LSorense are you the guy who wrote the nvidia HOWTO? |
| 02:03.17 | LSorense | HAMM3R: if you install x-window-system then that should be an option |
| 02:03.24 | LSorense | Azar: I wrote one of them yes |
| 02:03.35 | at0m|c | ethics: 1.0.8 would be progress, since my usb-snd is included since 1.0.7a or so |
| 02:03.38 | resiak | HAMM3R: Why didn't you pick the "graphical desktop" option during install? |
| 02:03.42 | resiak | !faq HAMM3R |
| 02:03.42 | HAMM3R | HAMM3R`` is currently away () |
| 02:03.42 | dpkg | HAMM3R: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:03.43 | HAMM3R | how can i go about doing that? im a newbie to linux |
| 02:03.45 | LSorense | at0m|c: sarge includes packages for 1.0.8 at least |
| 02:03.46 | Azar | yay!!! I feel so honored, hey, your nvidia howto is the best, thank you |
| 02:03.48 | at0m|c | ethics: now i'm on 1.0.6 |
| 02:04.05 | LSorense | Azar: i wish the steps would stop changing so I could stop having to update it :) |
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| 02:04.15 | at0m|c | LSorense: cheers, lemme try.. |
| 02:04.20 | LSorense | Azar: i should also update it to use module-assistant, which makes it way easier than it is |
| 02:04.38 | Azar | LSorense, good news Stallman went to Taiwan and persuaded the hardware makers to release the code, VIA already did so |
| 02:04.40 | ethics | atomic : on sarge ....apt-get install module-asstant alsa-source......you can do a m-i a-i alsa-driver |
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| 02:05.02 | LSorense | Azar: yeah now he should go to the US and convince nvidia and canada to convince ati |
| 02:05.06 | LSorense | Azar: that would be real progress |
| 02:05.12 | Azar | LSorense, as of now your guide is the best |
| 02:05.23 | Azar | :) |
| 02:05.35 | LSorense | Azar: can you believe I wrote it so I didn't have to keep answering the same questions in the channel?> |
| 02:06.05 | Guerin | i can believe that |
| 02:06.20 | LSorense | Azar: i keep meaning to write an alsa driver howto |
| 02:06.29 | Azar | LSorense, I was struggling to configure nvidia for like six month looking through outdated tutorials and howtos, until dpkg gave me your page |
| 02:06.30 | useruser | if I start a print job and then cancel it, is there any way to tell my printer to forget about it and not continue to print it? I'm using cups |
| 02:06.57 | LSorense | useruser: no. if it's in printer ram you have no control over it anymore. hit the cancel button on the printer |
| 02:07.03 | Azar | LSorense, yeah alsa is harder than nvidia to figure out, I reinstalled 3 times and everytime I got to alsa I borked |
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| 02:07.12 | useruser | LSorense: i turned the thing off and on - still seems to remeber |
| 02:07.22 | abrotman | useruser: don't print your porn |
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| 02:07.35 | abrotman | unless it's a dot matrix printer and your roommate is trying to sleep |
| 02:07.41 | nonoo | While Im wiating for my new image to download, maybe somebody could help me with my problem on my other laptop (its Knoppix though, hopefully nobody crusifies me). It came preinstalled with XP, and Im trying to shrink the NTFS. I boot knoppix and open up QTParted, but the only drive it recognizes is the CDRom drive even though I can acess the other drives on the desktop... anything I can do? |
| 02:07.48 | LSorense | Azar: for emu10k1: add snd-emu10k1 to /etc/modules, run /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices, modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 02:08.01 | dvs | !lart nonoo |
| 02:08.07 | useruser | Azar: it looks noisy |
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| 02:08.12 | LSorense | Azar: that's basicly it for alsa setup (when using 2,6 kernels and supported soundcard) |
| 02:08.14 | Azar | would emu10k1 work with a VIA vi82xx ? |
| 02:08.17 | furrywolf | unfortunately, all the cancel button on my printer does is tell the software to cancel it, from what I can tell... which the linux driver doesn't. only way I've been able to clear a cancelled job is with the power switch. |
| 02:08.27 | nonoo | !lart |
| 02:08.30 | abrotman | leave the printer off for about 10 seconds |
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| 02:08.36 | Azar | it is written on some forums that VIA 8233 is hard to configure with alsa |
| 02:08.39 | LSorense | Azar: no that would be snd-via82xx |
| 02:08.41 | useruser | furrywolf: i've just powercycled the printer (removed the mains plug). it's still churning out apache logs :( |
| 02:08.47 | LSorense | Azar: if supported yet. |
| 02:08.50 | dondelelcaro | Azar: no, that's an ac97 card of some sort. |
| 02:09.07 | Azar | LSorense, yes, but after successful installation and alsaconfig I get errors at bootup, alsa will not read my sound card |
| 02:09.08 | furrywolf | useruser: unless it has a hard drive (unlikely), it's still being sent data. |
| 02:09.26 | useruser | furrywolf: guess so. lpq says nothing's there. what else can i check? |
| 02:09.27 | LSorense | Azar: i always found alsaconfig a piece of crud |
| 02:09.30 | abrotman | it's in the NIC buffer .. run like hell |
| 02:09.45 | Azar | yeah debconf automatically assigns VIA vi82cxxx to AC97 codec |
| 02:09.46 | LSorense | Azar: adding the driver name to /etc/modules makes it load before hotplug/discover have a chance to do something stupid |
| 02:09.51 | furrywolf | useruser: check to see if the low-level backend is still running, and if so, kill it. |
| 02:10.22 | useruser | furrywolf: yes, foomatic-rip was still around. killed... |
| 02:10.32 | ethics | Azar: your sound works now? |
| 02:10.37 | Azar | LSorense, my feeling is that discover/hotplug are having a collision with alsa's alsaconfig , maybe I am wrong there? |
| 02:10.47 | furrywolf | foomatic-rip isn't what actually sends it to the printer; there's probably another process. |
| 02:10.54 | abrotman | it's in the NIC buffer .. run like hell |
| 02:10.55 | Azar | ethics, as everyone here knows I reinstalled after I failed alsa |
| 02:10.57 | furrywolf | it has low-level backends for parallel ports, ethernet, usb, etc. |
| 02:11.06 | Guerin | Azar: if you blacklisted the oss modules like i told you, it wouldn't.. |
| 02:11.11 | useruser | furrywolf: maybe. seemed to work, though |
| 02:11.14 | ethics | Azar so alsa is still screwed for oyu? |
| 02:11.25 | furrywolf | useruser: it probably died when foomatic-rip was killed. :) |
| 02:11.31 | Azar | Guerin I have not even installed oss, I checked |
| 02:11.43 | furrywolf | I just don't compile the oss modules, and thus don't need to blacklist them... |
| 02:11.48 | dvs | Azar: But do you have discover? |
| 02:11.51 | Guerin | oss is in all debian kernels. |
| 02:12.01 | samuel | alsa should mix its own streams? |
| 02:12.02 | useruser | man, this printer was $5 well spent |
| 02:12.14 | furrywolf | useruser: what is it? |
| 02:12.20 | HAMM3R | hi used the debian installer, and teh gdn did not appear. how to I start it or use it? |
| 02:12.22 | HAMM3R | *I |
| 02:12.27 | ethics | useruser wait till you buy ink thatll be $80 wasted hehe |
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| 02:12.42 | Guerin | HAMM3R: apt-get install x-window-system gdm |
| 02:12.44 | Azar | I have no idea how to tell alsa my card name in /etc/modules: I have like three ways of names: snd_vi82xx , via82cxxx, ac97_codec.. |
| 02:12.45 | useruser | furrywolf: bj-200ex (and that's CAD$5) |
| 02:12.51 | HAMM3R | *gdm |
| 02:12.53 | ethics | HAMM3R, english is prefered in channel matey but you need to install gdm/kdm |
| 02:13.03 | furrywolf | I just got a new printer too... 20ppm color laser, 1200dpi, ethernet, 32mb ram. $50, plus $10 gas to go pick it up. came with full toner carts and a ream of paper. :) |
| 02:13.05 | abrotman | HAMM3R: install it |
| 02:13.05 | Azar | dvs I had all , alsa_base, alsaconfig, discover1 and hotplug |
| 02:13.06 | dvs | Azar: The third one doesn't count |
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| 02:13.23 | dvs | Azar: discover1 could be loading the oss version |
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| 02:13.31 | LSorense | Azar: hmm, I just tried to load alsamixer on a via at work, and it didn't load. Now I am trying inside one of the chroots |
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| 02:13.42 | Azar | I have a feeling that discover1 and hotplug were blinding alsaconfig |
| 02:13.46 | LSorense | Azar: that worked. via 8237 |
| 02:14.06 | dvs | Azar: I'd get rid of discover1 personally |
| 02:14.09 | Azar | LSorense, I am sure there is a trick or workaround to make alsa_base SEE the sound card |
| 02:14.15 | LSorense | Azar: alsaconfig is nuts. adding the driver to /etc/modules just loads the right thing. installing alsa-utils takes care of the rest really |
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| 02:14.22 | useruser | furrywolf: admittedly i had to pay another $4 for a parallel cable :( |
| 02:14.29 | dvs | LSorense: I agree ;-) |
| 02:14.40 | LSorense | Azar: then reboot or manually unload any sound stuff discover/hotplug may have loaded and load the driver you wanted |
| 02:14.41 | Azar | dvs, now with a fresh install and NO oss I will try again after I install nvidia driver |
| 02:14.45 | furrywolf | useruser: could you do a large photo print (at least 1/4 page), and tell me what the dithering looks like? I have never gotten anything other than god-awful dithering out of ghostscript... |
| 02:14.49 | Guerin | LSorense: i told him about all of this a few days ago, before he got frustrated and decided to reinstall for no reason... |
| 02:14.59 | Guerin | Azar: no oss? you built your own kernel? |
| 02:15.00 | dvs | Azar: Nvidia? I thought you had sound problems? |
| 02:15.09 | ethics | useruser: printer cables cost 12c last i bought them for a retail store....so thats where they made their markup hehe |
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| 02:15.21 | LSorense | ethics: 12c is how much? |
| 02:15.21 | Azar | LSorense, right, I only need to find the exact name for the sound card to add it to /etc/modules |
| 02:15.30 | Guerin | snd-via82xx |
| 02:15.31 | LSorense | Azar: snd-via82xx is the name to add |
| 02:15.42 | useruser | LSorense: $0.12 |
| 02:15.53 | ethics | LSorense, cost of 3 chocolate milk drops .....etc |
| 02:15.56 | Azar | LSorense: via82cxxx_audio is listed in /etc/modules |
| 02:16.04 | LSorense | Azar: remove that (that is oss |
| 02:16.05 | dvs | Azar: That's oss |
| 02:16.09 | Guerin | ... |
| 02:16.09 | Azar | cool so the snd module is needed |
| 02:16.20 | useruser | ethics: you're telling me. i passed on the $22 printer cable for some reason |
| 02:16.20 | LSorense | Azar: snd- is alsa, anythign else is oss |
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| 02:16.27 | Azar | dvs: AHA! so that is an oss module.. |
| 02:16.30 | mwilson | furrywolf: Who is this new printer by? |
| 02:16.38 | dvs | Azar: yup |
| 02:16.41 | Azar | cool guys thanks :) |
| 02:17.00 | furrywolf | mwilson: QMS/Minolta Magicolor 2200 |
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| 02:17.19 | mwilson | Isn't that a postscript device? |
| 02:17.29 | ethics | useruser: im just saying that printer cables are worth nothing to the retailers......so yeah $5 for printer was good they made heaps on you on the printercable |
| 02:17.33 | furrywolf | mwilson: nope |
| 02:17.38 | furrywolf | it's ZjStream |
| 02:17.48 | LSorense | I asked my dad to get a network cable for his new printer a few weeks ago, and he told the store he needed a network cable for his printer, so they gave him a usb cable saying that was what you used to connect pritners to computers. :( Had to go exchange that to actually setup the printer. |
| 02:17.55 | Guerin | Azar: none of this should be new to you; I explained it all in exhaustive detail and you told me I was full of shit. |
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| 02:18.03 | ethics | Guerin: yes you did say oos was built into the kernels ....and i think last time we asked if there was anything soundish in lsmod.... |
| 02:18.26 | Guerin | and he said there was no oss loas |
| 02:18.28 | Guerin | DED |
| 02:18.31 | Guerin | graah |
| 02:18.35 | mwilson | Magicolor 2200 DL? |
| 02:18.48 | LSorense | Guerin: nothing about via82cxxx_audio screams OSS to many new users unfortunately |
| 02:19.05 | dvs | LSorense: But it does say "audio". |
| 02:19.10 | LSorense | dvs: that it does |
| 02:19.15 | dvs | LSorense: It should have been brought up |
| 02:19.21 | furrywolf | mwilson: ghostscript seems to just not be able to dither in a non-ugly fashion... low resolution, horrible artificats, mostly 30 degree angle lines in photo output, line art DOES NOT PRINT 30 degree lines (they just vanish), blotching, creeping-worms, etc. :) |
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| 02:19.26 | LSorense | dvs: but what if it said emu10k1? |
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| 02:19.28 | furrywolf | mwilson: yep |
| 02:19.33 | irfaN | re.. |
| 02:19.37 | furrywolf | artifacts |
| 02:19.37 | LSorense | dvs: how many sb live users would look for that? |
| 02:19.47 | LSorense | dvs: it could be easier |
| 02:19.55 | mwilson | So you're using the driver for the 2300? |
| 02:19.55 | irfaN | ethics, I dont driver install or pach. :-( |
| 02:19.55 | BernardBarker | I want an XF86Config-4 file that is the same from when i formatted with sarge...how can I get that? |
| 02:19.59 | BernardBarker | All my hardware is the same. |
| 02:20.01 | furrywolf | a google shows I'm not the only one with the problem... |
| 02:20.05 | ethics | LSorense we would know that from lspci... |
| 02:20.08 | irfaN | ethics, I installed 100 mb .ISO download and cd burn and install. Is problem 100 MB net install ISO. |
| 02:20.13 | dvs | LSorense: But it didn't. ;-P |
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| 02:20.17 | LSorense | ethics: really? |
| 02:20.22 | irfaN | ethics, Which sarge ISO Download ? |
| 02:20.25 | furrywolf | no, I'm using the one for the 2200. the one for the 2300 has options/settings not for mine (since it's a high resolution and comes standard with twice the ram). |
| 02:20.29 | Guerin | LSorense: it should when I explained it. |
| 02:20.29 | LSorense | ethics: yeah I guess so |
| 02:20.34 | dvs | irfaN: Yes |
| 02:20.39 | Guerin | anyway, i'm pleased it's working :) |
| 02:20.40 | BernardBarker | Guerin you know? |
| 02:20.53 | LSorense | furrywolf: how much does that printer cost? |
| 02:21.07 | dvs | irfaN: Oops! I mean there's no problem with it. that's the netinstall ISO |
| 02:21.14 | Guerin | BernardBarker: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:21.16 | mwilson | Hm |
| 02:21.20 | ethics | !tell irfaN about d-i |
| 02:21.34 | furrywolf | lsorense: I think they were about $700 - $1200 retail depending on who you asked, on ebay I've seen them go from $200 to $500. |
| 02:21.53 | furrywolf | the $200 ones, of course, don't come with toner... mine did. |
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| 02:22.24 | irfaN | dvs, I problem eth card |
| 02:22.25 | LSorense | furrywolf: hmm. i am rather impressed by the printer my dad bought recently. phaser 8400 for $1700cdn - $625 mail in rebate. for a networked postscript level 3 colour printer that does 24ppm, that's quite reasonable. |
| 02:22.31 | irfaN | ethics, thanks |
| 02:22.46 | furrywolf | LSorense: $50 was the limit on my printer budget. :) |
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| 02:22.56 | furrywolf | what I'm trying to do now is hack a driver for it into gimp-print |
| 02:22.59 | irfaN | dvs, net install no problem. I eth problem.. |
| 02:23.02 | LSorense | furrywolf: well he got tired of wearing out an inkjet printer a year |
| 02:23.07 | mwilson | furrywolf: Hm, I see several choices for the "Colro Mode" parameter... what are you using? |
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| 02:23.12 | useruser | furrywolf: hmm. printing from gimp sends postscript directly to the printer :( |
| 02:23.13 | Azar | Guerin, I am totally new at sound configuration and the only thing I understood was that snd is an alsa module, but looking through modules I could not tell which one is oss, at debconf I only avoided the /sound/oss ones all I picked from /sound was my sound card type, VIA 82xx |
| 02:23.29 | furrywolf | useruser: remove the -oraw option in the gimp print setup |
| 02:23.29 | LSorense | furrywolf: yeah when you have a 500mhz PPC chip doing postscript in the printer, drivers become trivial |
| 02:23.34 | Guerin | Azar: i know this, that's why i explained it all to you. |
| 02:23.37 | dvs | irfaN: If the netinstall worked, then there should be an NIC driver for your card in the kernel. |
| 02:24.02 | Guerin | Azar: anyway, i'm pleased you got it working. Enjoy :) |
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| 02:24.23 | useruser | furrywolf: the one whose hint says "do not remove -oraw, or printing will probably fail"? Gotta love the user-friendly goodness here |
| 02:24.26 | _daniel_ | hey anyone know how to copy txt on a pdf file ? |
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| 02:24.28 | Azar | Guerin, I only can say thank you for your efforts.... it is my fault I cannot recognize modules :) |
| 02:24.45 | furrywolf | mwilson: tried them all... use ICM color profile, with the 2200 .icm file, gives the best results, but none of them have any useful change on how awful the dithering is. |
| 02:24.46 | irfaN | dvs, there I card not driver. |
| 02:24.53 | furrywolf | useruser: yes, that one. :P |
| 02:24.55 | LSorense | useruser: raw should only be needed when using samba for windows users to print, and sambe knows about cups now so it can pass the raw command as needed |
| 02:25.17 | useruser | LSorense: so that hint is pretty misleading then |
| 02:25.30 | furrywolf | LSorense: NO. raw is used since the gimp-print plugin generates the data in the raw format for the printer, rather than postscript, for most printers. |
| 02:25.32 | mwilson | furrywolf: I'm trying to figure out why it's dithering in the first place. |
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| 02:25.41 | LSorense | useruser: yeah I guess so. :) Used to be cupsys asked if you wanted to enable raw support on install and defaulted to no |
| 02:25.56 | furrywolf | mwilson: ZjStream is a host-based protocol for the most part. it's simple a compressed CMYK bitmap. |
| 02:25.58 | LSorense | mwilson: because you only have 4 colours of stuff to put on the page? |
| 02:26.25 | dvs | irfaN: Don't /msg me |
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| 02:26.37 | furrywolf | mwilson: the printer doesn't dither; the host does the dithering... and ghostscript does a very crappy job of it. :) |
| 02:26.44 | irfaN | dvs, sorry |
| 02:26.51 | LSorense | mwilson: unless you have a dye sub, dithering is pretty much required to get a large colour pallete |
| 02:26.55 | cdemwell | well, we got further in our kernel boot |
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| 02:27.15 | LSorense | furrywolf: I find on epson's gimpprint has pretty good dithering |
| 02:27.17 | furrywolf | LSorense: I think he's thinking of postscript printers, which typically dither internally. |
| 02:27.20 | cdemwell | now it's panicing after not being able to find dev/console |
| 02:27.23 | Azar | Guerin so now when I will install alsa I should remove/replace via82cxxx_audio with snd_vi82xx or just add snd_vi82xx ? |
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| 02:27.30 | LSorense | furrywolf: yeah the phaser8400 does a very nice job of it actually |
| 02:27.34 | furrywolf | LSorense: exactly. which is why I'm trying to hack a driver for my printer into gimp-print. :) |
| 02:27.40 | mwilson | I didn't realize this particular printer was quite THAT stupid, no. |
| 02:27.45 | LSorense | Azar: remove via82cxxx and add snd-via82xx |
| 02:27.46 | dvs | Azar: replace |
| 02:27.54 | furrywolf | mwilson: what do you expect from a sub-$1000 color laser? :P |
| 02:28.00 | Azar | thank you guys :) |
| 02:28.02 | Guerin | Azar: if via82cxxx_audio is not in /etc/modules and snd-via82xx is, which do you think will be loaded? |
| 02:28.06 | cdemwell | asg: thanks for your help earlier, btw... bypassing the line in mkinitrd fixed it. |
| 02:28.21 | mwilson | furrywolf: <shrug> The HP 2550n I installed today for our graphic designers does very well. |
| 02:28.22 | kapitol | does anyone know what command I use to find out the version of a package is? |
| 02:28.35 | Guerin | kapitol: dpkg -l packagename |
| 02:28.36 | useruser | furrywolf: dithering on a 1/4 page photo looks ok ish, i guess. like newsprint |
| 02:28.50 | kapitol | cheers Guerin! |
| 02:28.57 | mwilson | furrywolf: It's a sub $800 printer. :) |
| 02:29.11 | FabParma | Hot to abilitare a bash autocomletion similar to the web browser adders bar? |
| 02:29.18 | furrywolf | I've figured out how to talk to foo2zjs (and have a pretty test page generator I wrote), so what I'm working on next is creating a new class of printers in gimp-print, which fork foo2zjs and pipe the intermediate format to it... |
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| 02:29.32 | useruser | furrywolf: hit control-r |
| 02:29.37 | useruser | furrywolf: oops, not you |
| 02:29.42 | useruser | FabParma: hit control-r |
| 02:30.06 | furrywolf | mwilson: actually, I saw some selling for $1200... the average price seems $900ish. |
| 02:30.13 | FabParma | useruser: i try, thank you |
| 02:30.26 | furrywolf | s/selling/sold for. :) |
| 02:30.28 | mwilson | furrywolf: Depends on what paper-handling options you buy. |
| 02:31.01 | Azar | Guerin, I was only thinking that alsa somehow will support oss modules, but now I see it is not the case |
| 02:31.21 | furrywolf | mine's pretty short on paper-handling options... no duplex, and only 650 sheet capacitor. the duplex and extra paper feeder are pretty cheap though. ($15-ish on ebay for the second paper unit) |
| 02:31.31 | dvs | Azar: That's what snd_pcm_oss is for. |
| 02:31.37 | furrywolf | c/capacitor/capacity |
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| 02:31.55 | Azar | dvs, I see, I can't wait for LSorense's new alsa tutorial |
| 02:32.02 | mwilson | Yeah, but if the best linuxprinting.org can come up with is "mostly works", I think I'd have saved my $50. |
| 02:32.17 | akira-toriyama | how to uninstall linux knoppix? |
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| 02:32.28 | mwilson | akira-toriyama: #knoppix |
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| 02:32.38 | Guerin | !d-i akira-toriyama |
| 02:32.38 | dpkg | akira-toriyama, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:32.40 | furrywolf | mwilson: actually, for text, and for low-quality photo printing, it works great... and I bet if I get the gimp-print driver hacked, I can upgrade "mostly works" to "works perfectly". |
| 02:32.51 | fumbalah | I'm wondering why the CD player shows my cd playing, but doesnt have any volume, yet volume is up both in speakers and on desktop, and xmms plays music fine, but it hast to be on my harddrive.. |
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| 02:33.09 | furrywolf | all featurs of the printer work, just ghostscript does a god awful job dithering. (google; it's a common complaint...) |
| 02:33.14 | furrywolf | features |
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| 02:33.22 | dvs | fumbalah: You're probably using audio playing instead of directly from CD |
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| 02:34.55 | furrywolf | how do printer manufacturers get away with charging $50 for a waster toner bottle? on my copier, I simply empty it into a baggie, and it's never had a problem yet... :P |
| 02:35.01 | furrywolf | s/waster/waste |
| 02:35.33 | spiorf | Is normal that if i start an x server from a terminal in the first x server , when i close the second one every program i try to launch on the first display say "cannot connect to display 0:0"?? |
| 02:35.40 | FabParma | nobody has experience in bash programmation? |
| 02:35.41 | mwilson | I've always wondered more why a device needs a waste toner anything. :) |
| 02:35.45 | cdemwell | this is incredibly frustrating. we finally have it booting off of the initial ramdisk, then failing a few lines later in the boot |
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| 02:36.24 | furrywolf | mwilson: mostly to dispose of used developer and things like that. (developer being micro-sized iron powder mixed with the toner, to allow magnets to be used to distribute it) |
| 02:36.35 | cdemwell | I am wondering if this is something in our lilo.conf file |
| 02:37.05 | furrywolf | toner, in a cartridge, is highly magnetic... that's the developer. but you don't want to print the developer on the paper... |
| 02:37.06 | irfaN | ethics, My install the problem eth card and not make command. I Download ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sarge/sarge-i386-1.iso |
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| 02:37.24 | qweeq | anyone running hp laptops here |
| 02:37.39 | furrywolf | !anyone |
| 02:37.39 | dpkg | [anyone] ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 02:37.43 | ethics | irfaN: so card works? |
| 02:38.21 | irfaN | ethics, I dont |
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| 02:38.32 | ethics | qweeq ask the question....i dont have a motorbike but i can ride one... |
| 02:38.43 | cdemwell | what's worse is our stock debian kernel does the same thing |
| 02:38.48 | Guerin | !ethics++ |
| 02:38.58 | toresbe | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4597503.stm |
| 02:39.07 | ethics | irfaN, then you will need another NIC for the initial install of gcc etc at least. |
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| 02:39.15 | furrywolf | the real question is why they can charge $50 for an empty blow-molded plastic bottle, when it can easily be dumped out and stuck back in with absolutely no decrease in functionality. :P |
| 02:39.18 | Guerin | toresbe: this is of relevance, why? |
| 02:39.20 | Lightning | i'm back. my /var/log/syslog shows my sata drive on the si3114, yet, /dev doesnt show it as a cdrom (am i even looking for the right thing?) for the install. ideas? |
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| 02:39.38 | fumbalah | it still says I dont have rights. even though I chowned and chmod'd permissions to /dev/cdrom and /dev/hdc to me |
| 02:40.21 | mwilson | Because a secretary isn't going to dump out the bottle. |
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| 02:40.44 | Azar | Lighting for some reason that I will have to find out, cdrom is sometime listed as hdc |
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| 02:40.53 | furrywolf | mwilson: I bet if I can make gimp-print talk to the printer, it will produce damn good photo quality... from googling, the windows quality is quite good, and its test page shows bright, vibrant colors with completely invisible dithering... |
| 02:40.54 | zoshi | Is there a Debian live CD? |
| 02:40.58 | zoshi | so I can try it |
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| 02:41.04 | mwilson | zoshi: No. |
| 02:41.15 | zoshi | ok |
| 02:41.17 | Lightning | did my last line about it only showing 1 host show up? bitchx complained |
| 02:41.19 | irfaN | ethics, I install gcc etc package not net install... not make command.. I install sarge-i386-1.iso |
| 02:41.44 | furrywolf | hell. if I were that secretary, I'd empty the bottle, keep the $50, and make sure I told the boss it went through waste toner bottles every day or so. :P |
| 02:41.45 | Lightning | have 2 sata chips on my motherboard, the nvidia one shows a host entry under the dev-scsi area, the si one doesnt appear to show |
| 02:41.55 | Lightning | i dont even see a hdc show up, no ide, all sata |
| 02:42.18 | Azar | oh sata.... unfamiliar territory to me |
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| 02:42.37 | qweeq | hi |
| 02:42.56 | qweeq | anyone knows how to get broadcom wlan working in debian |
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| 02:43.09 | furrywolf | I'm amazed it manages to align the 4 cartridges to the 1/10000th of an inch or so it does, seeing as it rotates the toner cartridges... |
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| 02:44.33 | samuel | will this work: alsa, esd running on alsa; will oss devices be able to pipe through to esd? |
| 02:44.52 | irfaN | ethics, thanks for me help... |
| 02:45.36 | irfaN | see you later, I sarge standart install ISO Download.. |
| 02:46.00 | Guerin | samuel: alsa has transparent oss emulation, so I'd say yes |
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| 02:46.47 | samuel | Guerin, but i would have to enable software mixing in alsa if the card doesnt do it right? |
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| 02:48.00 | kelan | furrywolf: is it lazer? |
| 02:48.07 | Guerin | samuel: no, because esd should do that |
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| 02:48.30 | kelan | or laser maybe, if i could spell |
| 02:48.34 | qweeq | anyone knows how to get broadcom wlan working in debian |
| 02:49.24 | Guerin | !broadcom |
| 02:49.24 | dpkg | [broadcom] a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. |
| 02:49.56 | bob2___ | qweeq: is it too late to get a refund? |
| 02:50.02 | samuel | Guerin, thanks |
| 02:50.03 | bob2___ | or exchange it for proper nic? |
| 02:50.07 | Sero | Yeah uh I'm installing Debian for the first time, (Minimal Install) and I'm getting a network autoconfiguration failed message I can't get it working. |
| 02:50.40 | astronut | any DD's active? |
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| 02:50.52 | abrotman | Guerin: fyi .. also a broadcom woody .. for the wired nics |
| 02:51.25 | bob2 | astronut: what for? |
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| 02:51.32 | Guerin | abrotman: so i see from the factoid above |
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| 02:51.47 | astronut | bob2: can you fix the tags on 310490? the issue is pretty much resolved, I don't know whether closed or what would be right but the help tag should be lifted at least.... |
| 02:51.47 | bob2 | qweeq: if you can't exchange it, you have to use ndiswrapper |
| 02:51.52 | abrotman | oh .. i forgot it was in there |
| 02:51.57 | astronut | or abrotman |
| 02:51.59 | abrotman | Guerin: sorry .. |
| 02:52.06 | astronut | wait, abrotman are you a DD? |
| 02:52.13 | astronut | i was confusing you with dondelelcaro for a minute |
| 02:52.14 | abrotman | astronut: you think i'm a DD ? .. they won't have me .. i'm american |
| 02:52.15 | Guerin | Sero: how's your network set up? what network car? what does it say when it fails? |
| 02:52.16 | jasoncohen | when i try to mount my nfs share which is in fstab i get "mount: RPC: Program not registered". what does this mean? |
| 02:52.20 | bob2 | astronut: I'm not a DD, but anyone can change it. |
| 02:52.20 | astronut | abrotman: lol |
| 02:52.26 | astronut | bob2: oh? |
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| 02:52.32 | astronut | thought it had to be a dd |
| 02:52.33 | astronut | lol |
| 02:52.33 | astronut | nm |
| 02:52.38 | astronut | i'll get it then |
| 02:52.58 | bob2 | astronut: echo tags 310490 - help | mail control@bugs.debian.org |
| 02:53.12 | bob2 | jasoncohen: do you have portmapper running? |
| 02:53.14 | astronut | kk |
| 02:53.53 | Sero | Guerin, I have cable through a router, network car? It says, it says my network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. |
| 02:54.20 | tico | hello how can i kill totem if doesn't appear in ps or top? |
| 02:54.22 | Guerin | Sero: probably isn't, then. how do you connect on windows? |
| 02:54.32 | Guerin | tico: killall totem? |
| 02:54.33 | astronut | hmm |
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| 02:54.53 | astronut | bob2: mind reading through that and telling me if 'fixed' tag is approrpriate? |
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| 02:55.46 | WiFiTux | DHCP protocol is redundant. |
| 02:55.55 | Guerin | WiFiTux: oh, really. |
| 02:56.30 | Azar | when I download / install nvidia, why it tells me that there are Recommended packages: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 when I am using kernel 2.6.8-2-k7? ---- It is about to install now nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 02:56.32 | WiFiTux | Guerin, hey! I heard cuba was hot thing weekend. |
| 02:56.43 | Guerin | i want to go to cuba |
| 02:56.48 | Guerin | i like rum very much |
| 02:56.58 | Azar | Guerin me too, heard has great beaches |
| 02:57.02 | bob2 | Azar: so get it to install the right version |
| 02:57.04 | WiFiTux | bitches? |
| 02:57.06 | Sero | Guerin, it's just connected. If I try it on my older computer it works... but it's a new computer that I hooked up... and it's not working. |
| 02:57.10 | bob2 | WiFiTux: ? |
| 02:57.12 | Guerin | WiFiTux: ... |
| 02:57.15 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 02:57.21 | Azar | hmmm ok |
| 02:57.22 | Guerin | he just can't help himself |
| 02:57.32 | bob2 | WiFiTux: please don't make me regret it |
| 02:57.43 | WiFiTux | bob2, sorry, just a commne.t |
| 02:57.46 | WiFiTux | nt |
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| 02:58.30 | ahewitt | hi all, I am trying to get suexec working with pam_ldap, but Im not sure how to test to see if it is actually using pam_ldap?? |
| 02:58.45 | WiFiTux | Guerin, but of some OT, I was thinking on putting an Irish Pub here. :) and put all Irish Drinking songs... (The CD) |
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| 02:59.53 | Azar | my only question was: if I am running kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7, and I am installing nvidia now, why apt recommends me to install a kernel-image with another version ? |
| 03:00.16 | chealer | Azar: it recommends you that? |
| 03:00.29 | chealer | there's no "nvidia" package, what is it exactly? |
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| 03:00.56 | Azar | well it is like (a side: we would recommend you to install bzip2 and kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386) ofcourse I could not opt for that |
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| 03:01.23 | chealer | what? who's "we"? |
| 03:02.13 | abrotman | why didn't anyone make an nvidia package that requires all the other crap and installs it via a postinst script ? .. like java-package or some crap |
| 03:02.30 | Azar | um I did followed another recommendation previously and tried to install : dh-make, fakeroot, patchutils nvidia-glx kernel-package devscripts libmail-sendmail-perl libcompress-zlib-perl but when I seen that stuff I aborted |
| 03:02.32 | Lightning | any idea why the sata_sil module under 2.6.8 (for the install) will create the dev/scsi but not have anything in it although it shows a connected atapi cdrom on connect 1? |
| 03:02.50 | astronut | bob2: mind reading through that bug and telling me if 'fixed' tag is approrpriate? |
| 03:02.50 | chealer | abrotman: what kind of other crap? |
| 03:03.07 | abrotman | chealer: nfc .. don't use nvidia shit |
| 03:03.15 | abrotman | chealer: would have made life a lot easier though i'm sure |
| 03:03.22 | Azar | chealer, you know when you install something there are "side" stuff like Sugested packages: bla blab bla, Recommended packages: bla blabla |
| 03:03.32 | chealer | abrotman: wow, I think I guessed what nfc means |
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| 03:03.56 | abrotman | !nfc |
| 03:03.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
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| 03:04.02 | Azar | :) |
| 03:04.17 | WiFiTux | ja! slashdot says that Sarge will be out in a week?! |
| 03:04.21 | chealer | abrotman: NVIDIA's drivers are non-free, I don't think there will be an end to pain until that changes |
| 03:04.32 | Agrajag- | ok who else has a kernel called 2.6.xN because they tried to answer "No" to adding a suffix thing to the kernel version |
| 03:04.50 | chealer | I did open a bug against nvidia-kernel-source to reconsider recommends, but not nvidia-glx |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | chealer: they're already packaged |
| 03:04.53 | Azar | well it was out of curiosity, I am installing nvidia anyways |
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| 03:05.28 | chealer | abrotman: that doesn't mean the procedure to install them is decent IMHO |
| 03:05.43 | Guerin | WiFiTux: topic |
| 03:05.53 | chealer | WiFiTux: did /. get secret access to /topic ? |
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| 03:06.12 | abrotman | chealer: nvidia still sucks .. but installing them shouldn't be so damn difficult |
| 03:06.25 | chealer | Agrajag-: heh, not me |
| 03:06.34 | bob2 | astronut: looks ok, but it's not my bug |
| 03:06.45 | astronut | hmm |
| 03:06.49 | chealer | abrotman: I don't know, Azar doesn't seem to follow the HOWTO, which is a bad idea |
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| 03:06.52 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I think it's irresponsable to make a release date having 50 issues to go by. |
| 03:06.53 | astronut | someone in #debian-bugs said 'fixed' was for NMU's |
| 03:07.02 | astronut | it's my bug (submitter, not maintainter) |
| 03:07.11 | abrotman | chealer: well .. not everyone can be smart :) |
| 03:07.33 | chealer | abrotman: someday, someday... |
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| 03:08.17 | chealer | oh wow... "Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 20" |
| 03:09.16 | chealer | I count for the DDs team |
| 03:09.46 | chealer | I'm not sure this is good english, I mean I support them |
| 03:10.14 | ericb_ | what does that exactly means sarge has frozen; since the last week I apt-get upgraded every day and got new updates every day |
| 03:10.16 | chealer | Azar: what recommended to install all that stuff? |
| 03:10.20 | ericb_ | chealer parlez français ? |
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| 03:10.40 | chealer | ericb_: indeed. sarge only receives fixes for "important" stuff |
| 03:11.14 | chealer | maintainers can't upload a package to add new features, for example. maybe they can still upload translation updates though |
| 03:11.35 | ericb_ | chealer well today's upgrade included a completely useless upgrade : kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 to kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 |
| 03:11.45 | ericb_ | that's it exacly the same version |
| 03:11.48 | ericb_ | not even a revision |
| 03:11.49 | chealer | read the release updates' "upload targets" if you want to get an idea |
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| 03:12.20 | chealer | ericb_: maybe you don't know about kernel versions |
| 03:12.33 | ericb_ | ? |
| 03:12.48 | ericb_ | I even got warnings during the upgrade |
| 03:12.58 | chealer | for example kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 is at version 2.4.27-10 in sarge since just a few days |
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| 03:13.31 | chealer | it must have been -8 or -9 before |
| 03:13.36 | ericb_ | ok it's a ..... weird upgrade then... just a package upgrade |
| 03:14.07 | ericb_ | not a kernel upgrade... just an annoying upgrade because you must reboot afterward |
| 03:14.16 | deadcat | i think the hermesAP project has been dead for years. |
| 03:14.28 | ericb_ | and this almost useless upgrade create a downtime |
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| 03:14.34 | chealer | ericb_: it is a kernel upgrade... |
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| 03:14.46 | nonoo | Im in the Sarge netist process right now, partitioning my drive. Its exactly how I want it to be (didn't change anything, its already partitioned from a previous install), so I choose Finish partition and write chages to disk but the screen turns read and says "No root file system is defined Please correct this from the partition menu" |
| 03:15.10 | chealer | ericb_: kernel security fixes aren't issued for fun |
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| 03:15.17 | TwistedEmotions | Though the hermes project *IS* dead... herpes seems to be doing quite well. |
| 03:15.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: sup |
| 03:15.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: (= what up. |
| 03:15.36 | ericb_ | chealer well well..... |
| 03:15.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: did the machine sleep overnight and able to wake up? |
| 03:15.57 | nonoo | nevermind, think I got it |
| 03:16.05 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: dammit... trying to download a .mp3 and getting wack files over and over... |
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| 03:16.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah... |
| 03:16.11 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh. by the way. i fixed the splashy for shutdown and reboot. |
| 03:16.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nicy nicy |
| 03:16.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What do you mean? |
| 03:16.43 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: if you reboot or shutdown. splashy dont do shit. |
| 03:17.11 | chealer | ericb_: no kernel as released by kernel.org is entirely secure for a "decent" period of time. debian has to patch the kernels it ships constantly |
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| 03:17.24 | ericb_ | ok |
| 03:17.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Does this wierd thing... when it finishes booting it shows a blank blue screen. Also durring init 6 or init 0 it shows penguin and shit... I dont care about etiher problem but first problem is kind of annoying. |
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| 03:18.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: do you have gdm running? |
| 03:18.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah that might be the cause... |
| 03:18.58 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: xfce4 |
| 03:19.02 | chealer | ericb_: since they can't easily determine whether *your* system is affected by the security problems, you get the update. that doesn't keep you from checking if you're actually concerned and in need to upgrade in the changelog |
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| 03:19.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: should I update kernel? Seems to be running fine but do it anyways or no? |
| 03:20.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: go get a 2.6, i am pretty sure its better than a 2.4 (= |
| 03:20.25 | ericb_ | NOPE |
| 03:20.27 | ericb_ | oups |
| 03:20.29 | ericb_ | sorry for caps |
| 03:20.34 | ericb_ | 2.6 is slower than 2.4 |
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| 03:20.56 | ericb_ | the only thing it got better is it have built in alsa... but even linus complained about kernel 2.6 |
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| 03:21.39 | Lightning | grr, sr_mod wont show my sata cdro |
| 03:21.44 | Lightning | err, sata cdrom |
| 03:22.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: if you want to fix the splashy for reboot and shutdown, sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/splash06 |
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| 03:22.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: OHhh by the way you can run on PPC... was reading readme files today.. |
| 03:22.56 | chealer | ericb_: that doesn't sound accurate. would developers write a million LOCs to put ALSA in? |
| 03:23.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: showed support... go to their website use version 1.0 |
| 03:23.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i know. it doesnt work because i have /usr in a diff partition |
| 03:23.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i was testing shutdown and reboot on the ibook |
| 03:23.39 | samuel | why is it that debian uses oss by default? for compatibility? is it a god idea to get rid of sdl-oss and use sdl-alsa and the like with the other sound plugins? |
| 03:23.52 | TwistedEmotions | The requested URL /tmp/splash06 was not found on this server. |
| 03:24.06 | ericb_ | http://news.com.com/Torvalds+Put+Linux+to+the+test/2100-7344_3-5646975.html?tag=nefd.top |
| 03:24.14 | TwistedEmotions | Dude... do you even get your url's on your server right? |
| 03:24.43 | ericb_ | chealer http://news.com.com/Torvalds+Put+Linux+to+the+test/2100-7344_3-5646975.html?tag=nefd.top |
| 03:24.43 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: splashy06 |
| 03:24.51 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: jkin... seem you mistype like 19 times... |
| 03:24.54 | dondelelcaro | samuel: uh, Debian doesn't really have a default. It uses whatever your kernel decides to use. |
| 03:25.14 | IRCMonkey | i just installed debian...and i get the error "Unable to open X display" |
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| 03:25.23 | IRCMonkey | any help or ideas |
| 03:25.29 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont want to copy the link here because the fucking bot records the links. |
| 03:25.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I dont trust your shell script |
| 03:25.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cat the mother fucker (= |
| 03:25.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Ohhhh.. |
| 03:25.40 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 03:26.51 | chealer | IRCMonkey: when do you get that? |
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| 03:27.13 | IRCMonkey | when i try to login in with startx |
| 03:27.25 | IRCMonkey | or when i boot the machine..."cant startx" |
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| 03:28.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: how do I scan for/connect to a WAP? (not italian) Normally does it by itself but didnt find it this time... is there any program that ALWAYS connects to whatever is available/closest? |
| 03:29.07 | ericb_ | chealer and btw if thoses days sarge have so many upgrades do you have any hints why there is almost no post on the debian security annouce mailing lists ?? I'm subscribed to it and I didn't saw anything regarding a security upgrade for kernel 2.4.27-2-k6 |
| 03:29.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. WPA you mean. install wavemon, kismet, aircrack for wireless fun (= |
| 03:29.33 | samuel | dondelelcaro, debian installed oss, but sound did not work, after installing alsa sound worked but the sound mixer did not... im not sure what to use? or if im mixing things up or what? there is some oss in there, some esd, some alsa??? is there something i should do to all the sound drivers? make them alsa perhaps? |
| 03:29.34 | IRCMonkey | i think that it is a problem with the settings of X windows or the graphic card drivers |
| 03:29.38 | Azar | chealer I have the nvidia tutorial and I am doing it : at apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common I get "suggested" and "recommended" packages that are not being installed and I thought maybe I should install.... but I will skip them for now |
| 03:29.41 | chealer | ericb_: that list only concerns stable releases |
| 03:30.00 | dondelelcaro | samuel: just load alsa, and use alsamixer. |
| 03:30.04 | jasoncohen | for some reason i constantly have to relink /home/jason/.Xauthority to /root in order to use X apps or even terminal apps like mcedit. Is there a permenant fix? |
| 03:30.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Errr.. isnt it WAP Wireless Access Point? |
| 03:30.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: also you should try the hostap driver instead of using the orinoco driver if you card IS prism based. you can make your card act as access point and mess with students in class. (= i was hoping HermesAP still active and hope he uploads his new version with airport support |
| 03:30.28 | ericb_ | chealer well look the topic, sarge now have security support... so it should be in the mailing list shouldn't it ? |
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| 03:30.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: never heard of WAP |
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| 03:31.13 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: sudo iwlist scanning |
| 03:31.16 | chealer | ericb_: from what I read linux said that performance regression tests should be run regularly, not that he "complained". there were obviously test that said the opposite, but of course testing performance is a good idea if resources are available |
| 03:31.21 | Azar | ericb_ if you have the ftp link in your /etc/apt/sources.list it will update everytime you do apt-get update / apt-get upgrade |
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| 03:32.24 | kevin_ | hello |
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| 03:32.33 | kevin_ | hello |
| 03:32.37 | ericb_ | Azar I do; I was just wondering why the mailing list wasn't talking about sarge security upgrade; I think you didn't understood my message |
| 03:32.38 | deadcat | kevin_: what? |
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| 03:32.55 | chealer | ericb_: I can't talk much about this because I'm not sure about the official terms about security support. what the topic means is that security problems are tracked, but the security isn't guaranteed yet |
| 03:32.58 | steve_ | hey kevin |
| 03:33.06 | Randall64 | ooh, rc3 setup the other OS in grub for me |
| 03:33.07 | deadcat | kevin_: oh now you shutup? |
| 03:33.09 | kevin_ | hey stve |
| 03:33.12 | kevin_ | hoes the hacking |
| 03:33.15 | chealer | ericb_: I admit that the topic sounds confusing to me too though |
| 03:33.16 | Randall64 | Of course it was still a pita if I didn't want it on the mbr. |
| 03:33.17 | kevin_ | hows* |
| 03:33.19 | ericb_ | chealer ok; that should be the point then |
| 03:33.21 | steve_ | don't talk like that in here |
| 03:33.40 | steve_ | kevin_: this is the eliteist debian room |
| 03:33.49 | kevin_ | i have a big final tommaro cant talk much |
| 03:33.51 | deadcat | kevin_: learn to hack? #gentoo |
| 03:33.54 | ericb_ | chealer maybe they talk about security server being up.... but not about mailing list.... |
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| 03:34.01 | steve_ | you asked to hack in here? |
| 03:34.05 | steve_ | STFU n00b! |
| 03:34.07 | steve_ | !mac dre |
| 03:34.08 | dpkg | i heard mac dre is in vallejo |
| 03:34.10 | chealer | Azar: what nvidia tutotial are you talking about? andrew schulman's? |
| 03:34.37 | steve_ | hey guys lay off kevin |
| 03:34.48 | deadcat | steve_: hes being a moron |
| 03:35.04 | steve_ | yeah- but he has cerebral palsy |
| 03:35.13 | Randall64 | Maybe I can get a modern kernel installed and it won't give me dma timeouts. I guess there's no overcoming peecee shittiness in software. |
| 03:35.17 | deadcat | steve_: i need prove |
| 03:35.18 | chealer | IRCMonkey: aren't there errors before that one? |
| 03:35.18 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: Eth 1 Interface doesn't support scanning: Operation not supported |
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| 03:35.38 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: suck |
| 03:35.42 | skel_home | anyone know if there's an xbox-linux type channel or used xebian? |
| 03:35.48 | IRCMonkey | none...when i put it just says that it cant start x windows |
| 03:35.51 | steve_ | deadcat: we just came off starchat's network |
| 03:35.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: apt-get install module-assistant hostap-source kernel-headers-`uname -r` <- after you get a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:36.01 | bob2 | skel_home: #xboxlinux on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:36.02 | steve_ | #disabilities |
| 03:36.09 | kevin_ | iv been using debian for 2 y ears now |
| 03:36.09 | skel_home | bob2: ty =] |
| 03:36.15 | chealer | IRCMonkey: what's your release? |
| 03:36.27 | steve_ | kevin- sarge? woddy? |
| 03:36.29 | IRCMonkey | 2.6.8 |
| 03:36.29 | deadcat | steve_: i think you guys are messing with me. |
| 03:36.36 | kevin_ | sarge |
| 03:36.47 | steve_ | STFU deadcat! i own your BOX roxx0rz! mosh |
| 03:36.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: cant apt-get cause no net connection... gimme a second... dont know wtf is going on |
| 03:37.06 | kevin_ | u have a phone call |
| 03:37.07 | chealer | IRCMonkey: that's strange. x windows is a deprecated term |
| 03:37.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: for now. use rj45 |
| 03:37.18 | kevin_ | sam? |
| 03:37.23 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: that means what to me? |
| 03:37.23 | Randall64 | "X Windows" was never valid |
| 03:37.28 | deadcat | steve_: so are you crazy too? i dont get it |
| 03:37.32 | Lightning | i'm about to cry :( |
| 03:37.32 | kevin_ | do u have longhorn? |
| 03:37.34 | steve_ | no |
| 03:37.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: use wireled connection. |
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| 03:37.43 | steve_ | i was dabbling into 1337 speak |
| 03:37.45 | IRCMonkey | how could i reconfigure it |
| 03:37.51 | kevin_ | i have to study |
| 03:37.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ahhh.. kk. |
| 03:38.00 | IRCMonkey | should i uninstall and then reinstall |
| 03:38.08 | chealer | !drxx IRCMonkey |
| 03:38.09 | dpkg | IRCMonkey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:39.06 | kevin_ | iv known it for 2 years now |
| 03:39.36 | steve_ | 2 years strong |
| 03:39.50 | deadcat | i think steve_ and kevin_ are the same user. and trolling |
| 03:40.05 | steve_ | no- were brothers |
| 03:40.22 | IRCMonkey | dpkg what do i do now...do i select free86/free86-dbg |
| 03:40.37 | furrywolf | grr. lp is doing something odd. sent it a 450kb file, but nothing goes out over the network to the networked printer. |
| 03:40.57 | bob2 | kevin_: steve_ try #blah |
| 03:41.19 | kevin_ | i just got a wireless keyboard and mouse |
| 03:41.37 | Sero | I can't get Debian minimal install to get a connection. |
| 03:41.38 | chealer | dpkg: tell IRCMonkey about what are you |
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| 03:42.18 | furrywolf | n/m. it sent it. the printer just didn't like it. :P |
| 03:42.43 | chealer | IRCMonkey: isn't there a question? |
| 03:43.00 | IRCMonkey | so do i select xfree86/xfree86dbg |
| 03:43.15 | IRCMonkey | after going into dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:43.34 | IRCMonkey | need to select desired default xserver |
| 03:44.00 | steve_ | !vallejo |
| 03:44.00 | dpkg | from memory, vallejo is the home of Mac Dre and the infamous crest. All tha' cuttys chill on Lenoard Street. XO nigga to the crest HO. And if ya' soft ya best be real. 707 represent. Nike shoes. Levi Jeans. Triple gold thangs with straight lace 'zines. In short, vallejo is hard. |
| 03:44.01 | furrywolf | hrmm. my test program mostly worked. I got output of the printer, but it has severe skew to it, such that straight lines go at 45 degree angles and wrap around. I suspect I might still have bugs to fix. :) |
| 03:44.23 | kevin_ | i really nedd to study |
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| 03:44.43 | bob2 | interesting |
| 03:44.47 | chealer | IRCMonkey: what's the default? |
| 03:44.58 | steve_ | are you here kev? |
| 03:45.00 | steve_ | they kicked you |
| 03:45.11 | IRCMonkey | i really dont know what it is right now...i am willing to work with you to find out |
| 03:45.20 | IRCMonkey | do i continue with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:45.46 | kevin_ | is there any vulnerabilities in sshd sarge |
| 03:45.59 | bob2 | kevin_: bugs.debian.org/ssh |
| 03:46.00 | kevin_ | im doing a serve now |
| 03:46.12 | chealer | IRCMonkey: possibly, but knowing why X fails to start would help to know what you need to change |
| 03:46.38 | chealer | IRCMonkey: it would sound strange that it would give no other clue than "Unable to open X display" |
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| 03:46.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: doesnt even show wired connection |
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| 03:47.11 | IRCMonkey | is there something we can do to find out...is it the graphic card or just screen resolution settings |
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| 03:48.05 | avcibr | hi is there an easy way to copy a linux root partition to another one? the boot loader and /boot is already done, just trying to copy the rest... just cp will do it? |
| 03:48.08 | chealer | you usually look at the X startup log, that should be located in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 03:51.51 | IRCMonkey | ok...will do...in the meantime X10 fatal io error 104 connection.......fatal server error addscreen/screeninit failder for driver 0 |
| 03:52.05 | IRCMonkey | now going to XFree log |
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| 03:53.05 | IRCMonkey | ok the error is AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 03:53.21 | IRCMonkey | chealer ok the error is AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 03:53.38 | Guerin | IRCMonkey: drxx |
| 03:53.39 | nonoo | Im installing sarge right now, which packages do I need for xwindows, xserver-common? anything else? |
| 03:53.49 | Guerin | nonoo: x-window-system-core |
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| 03:54.34 | nonoo | anything else? |
| 03:54.53 | Guerin | nonoo: no, but you might want some x apps |
| 03:55.11 | Guerin | nonoo: maybe a windowmanager and a desktop manager and son on |
| 03:55.14 | nonoo | I can still install fluxbox right |
| 03:55.17 | Guerin | sure |
| 03:55.27 | nonoo | but I want to do the x window system core first right? |
| 03:55.55 | skaught | nonoo: You'll probably want a x-terminal-emulator (eg: xterm) |
| 03:56.02 | Guerin | nonoo: do it all at once. apt-get install x-window-system-core fluxbox foopackage barpackage |
| 03:56.06 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what the f? |
| 03:56.16 | Guerin | xterm is in xwscore, i believe |
| 03:56.16 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I dont know what the fuck is going on... |
| 03:56.26 | deadcat | Guerin: foo not found |
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| 03:56.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ifconfig eth0 |
| 03:56.41 | skaught | Guerin: I don't believe it is actually, I could be wrong though |
| 03:56.41 | Guerin | deadcat: brain not found. |
| 03:56.55 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:57.02 | deadcat | Guerin: let me apt-get it hehe |
| 03:57.09 | Guerin | skaught: maybe not, cba checking |
| 03:57.15 | Guerin | !hwinfosmite deadcat |
| 03:57.16 | dpkg | Scanning deadcat ... No meaningful response. Please ensure brain is connected, or return to supplier for replacement. |
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| 03:57.35 | bman | I put in a cd but I don't see anything under /mnt |
| 03:57.45 | jasoncohen | gkrellm isn't showing my cpu temp. what do i have to install for it to recognize the temp meter? |
| 03:57.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You want me to give you whole reply? |
| 03:57.49 | deadcat | bman: /media or / |
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| 03:57.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: flood? |
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| 03:58.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Err.. no way to copy and paste but sure |
| 03:58.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: let me ssh in (= |
| 03:58.31 | deadcat | then i rm -rf hahah |
| 03:58.34 | bman | deadcat: Ah, thanks. Hmm, it's empty. Do I have to mount it or something? |
| 03:58.42 | skaught | Guerin: It's only suggested in core |
| 03:58.45 | deadcat | bman: hell ya |
| 03:58.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you cant... doesnt show connection... |
| 03:58.55 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: not even wireless? |
| 03:59.10 | nonoo | Here goes nothing on the xwindows stuff... |
| 03:59.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: why am I trying to use wired if wireless works? |
| 03:59.22 | chealer | jasoncohen: lmsensors |
| 03:59.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: because you should install the hostap driver for wireless. |
| 03:59.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nevermind. you can juse wireless to do that too. |
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| 04:00.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: nothing works ;P Normally when I reboot just connects to WAP/WPA.. not connecting... how do I connect manually? |
| 04:00.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: iwconfig and see if it shows NETGEAR, if yes. then dhclient eth1 |
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| 04:01.50 | TwistedEmotions | shows Hermes |
| 04:02.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. ESSID: "NETGEAR" <- see that? |
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| 04:03.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hermes is the nickname, default for orinoco driver. |
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| 04:03.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ESSID: "" |
| 04:04.03 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: then its not connecting to your netgear |
| 04:04.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: its connected to wrong wireless point I think... how can I get it to check for others? |
| 04:04.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: try iwconfig eth1 essid NETGEAR and see what happen |
| 04:04.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you install/setup kismet |
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| 04:04.56 | rixth | How can I get the (hdX,X) numbers? |
| 04:04.58 | rj` | ks |
| 04:05.12 | deadcat | rixth: fdisk -l /dev/hdX |
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| 04:05.39 | rj` | when building source packages with apt-get how do i tell it to use -j2? |
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| 04:05.57 | deadcat | rj`: whats -j2? |
| 04:06.00 | rixth | deadcat, I need to know what numbers, (for grub) |
| 04:06.20 | deadcat | rixth: ya. fdisk -l /dev/hdX then see which one you need. |
| 04:06.29 | rj` | deadcat: i'd actually like to tell apt-get to use distcc and use -j6 so jobs will propagate |
| 04:06.45 | deadcat | rj`: you lost me |
| 04:06.52 | Solet-deb | o'reilly's says i should be able to ping a windows machine from this machine by pinging the windows machine's hostname, when i try it says: "unknown host", any idea what i'm doing wrong? |
| 04:07.03 | jasoncohen | chealer, the lm-sensors driver seems to only be for 2.4.27. how do i get it working on 2.6.8? |
| 04:07.06 | rj` | deadcat: distcc is a distrubuted compiler |
| 04:07.07 | deadcat | Solet-deb: orielly lied |
| 04:07.10 | rixth | deadcat, he's talking about compiling between several diffent computers |
| 04:07.14 | bob2 | deadcat: he/she means "tell dpkg-buildpackage to tell make to run two builds at once" |
| 04:07.17 | furrywolf | I take back what I said. the convergance isn't too great if you get out a magnifier. oh well. |
| 04:07.32 | furrywolf | I can't quite get my test program to work... have an off-by-1 error somewhere I'd guess. |
| 04:07.35 | deadcat | bob2: oh... cant help him then. no clue here (= |
| 04:07.40 | Solet-deb | deadcat: lied? i find that hard to believe... as they even have screenshots of it apparently working |
| 04:07.44 | furrywolf | the ends of rows wrap around to the start of the next row |
| 04:07.47 | rixth | deadcat, I get nothing back when I do that. |
| 04:07.54 | deadcat | Solet-deb: is it working for you? NO |
| 04:08.17 | deadcat | rixth: ya. because X is the hd you have, whether its a or b |
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| 04:08.27 | Solet-deb | deadcat: but the odds of me having set something up incorrectly are about 10 to 1 |
| 04:08.48 | chealer | !tell jasoncohen about lm-sensors |
| 04:08.55 | rixth | fdisk -l /dev/sda << Still doesn't give me what I need. |
| 04:08.58 | deadcat | Solet-deb: no. by default you CANT ping a windows or any machine by hostname execpt localhost, unless you setup dns or put entries in /etc/hosts |
| 04:09.09 | chealer | jasoncohen: try checking the description of the packages which worries you |
| 04:09.12 | deadcat | rixth: you have scsi? |
| 04:09.16 | chealer | s/packages/package |
| 04:09.18 | rixth | deadcat, SATA |
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| 04:09.28 | Solet-deb | deadcat: what would said entries look like? |
| 04:09.28 | deadcat | rixth: is that /dev/sda ? |
| 04:09.35 | rixth | deadcat, yes |
| 04:09.40 | deadcat | Solet-deb: take a look at /etc/hosts or man 5 hosts |
| 04:09.52 | deadcat | rixth: you're fucked. i have ide and /dev/hda works fine for me. |
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| 04:10.23 | rixth | Okay then :) I'll try some more things |
| 04:10.28 | furrywolf | zjsdecode shows my output is perfect, but that doesn't seem to agree with what the printer thinks... |
| 04:11.39 | nonoo | I need to select what type of mouse my laptop uses, it failed to auto detect. Im using a touch pad on it, for some reason I think when I last installed it was /dev/psaux? |
| 04:11.59 | deadcat | nonoo: yes. lsmod|grep psmouse |
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| 04:12.29 | nonoo | im still in the actual debian installer so I don't think I can do lsmod |
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| 04:13.01 | deadcat | nonoo: then yes. /dev/psaux, are you using linux26? |
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| 04:13.15 | rob_lt | I'm using a laptop and I don't have psmouse module, just mousedev, and I used /dev/psaux with protocol ps/2 |
| 04:13.50 | rob_lt | thinkpad r40, but the touchpad doesn't work with for some reason :) |
| 04:13.59 | rob_lt | the mouse works find though |
| 04:14.02 | deadcat | rob_lt: try /dev/input/mice |
| 04:14.25 | rob_lt | deadcat: I'll give that a try, thank you |
| 04:14.25 | nonoo | deadcat: good question, I dont' know which linux it is, whatever was provided with the sarge netist |
| 04:14.27 | Guerin | and modprobe psmouse |
| 04:14.48 | rixth | When I try and install grub I get "grub-install /dev/sda *break* /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
| 04:14.56 | deadcat | nonoo: thats 2.4 default. since you are still installing. reboot and start over. this time type linux26 to use 2.6 kernel |
| 04:14.58 | Solet-deb | yay i made it work, thanks deadcat |
| 04:15.01 | nonoo | so I've chosen psaux and now it wants me to select a mouse that best describes my mouse, should I do PS/2 like rob_lt? |
| 04:15.02 | rob_lt | should I still use ps/2 or imps/2? I've googled but I can't seem to find what the difference is |
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| 04:15.12 | deadcat | Solet-deb: told you orielly sucks. |
| 04:15.39 | nonoo | deadcat: is it cool to reboot while Im still configuring packages, like choosing my mouse for XFree? |
| 04:15.40 | deadcat | rob_lt: try imps/2 if that dont work you can change it later (= |
| 04:15.44 | rob_lt | :) |
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| 04:16.05 | deadcat | nonoo: so you finish the install and configuring the packages? then forget reinstalling. |
| 04:16.09 | Solet-deb | deadcat: that may be, but they are nicer than most people here when i have a stupid question... so i keep them around for that :) |
| 04:16.13 | rob_lt | well, psmouse got my trackpad working :) |
| 04:16.45 | nonoo | finished installing the base system, yes, its rebooted and Im chosing packages now. I guess thats not "installing" anymore is it |
| 04:16.46 | deadcat | Solet-deb: if i see orielly. i will scratch his car... that bastard. |
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| 04:17.09 | Solet-deb | ??? why??? |
| 04:17.11 | deadcat | nonoo: you can apt-get install a 2.6 kernel later i guess. |
| 04:17.19 | deadcat | Solet-deb: bastard owes me $ |
| 04:17.28 | Solet-deb | lol |
| 04:17.40 | Solet-deb | you bought a book i take it? |
| 04:17.43 | rob_lt | nonoo: maybe too late now, but if you use linux26 with the netinstaller, it will automagically use a 2.6 kernel. |
| 04:18.22 | rob_lt | nonoo: infact, I was installed on another machine, and without linux26 as a boot option when first booting from the install cd, the machine was hanging. |
| 04:18.24 | epsilon | I have raffic with port 3559 as destination (maybe some old traffic from last dyn IP user?) incoming, what's supposed to listen on that port? |
| 04:18.42 | rob_lt | s/installed/installing |
| 04:18.46 | nonoo | deadcat: I figured that was gonna be my next step anyway. As for my mouse, it says to choose the best mouse that describves my mouse, should I got with ps/2 like rob_lt did, or ImPS/2 like you suggested |
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| 04:19.19 | Solet-deb | deadcat: which book did you buy, depending on what it is i might buy it from you as long as its still in decent condition.... |
| 04:19.24 | deadcat | nonoo: i would go wit imps/2 then ps2 if fails. |
| 04:19.28 | rixth | When I try and install grub I get "grub-install /dev/sda1 *break* /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."<<<<>>>> But, /dev/sda1 is listed under fdisk -l |
| 04:19.39 | deadcat | Solet-deb: the perl programming shit. read 3 pages and DAMN. |
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| 04:21.15 | Solet-deb | deadcat: did you already know it all or something? |
| 04:21.53 | deadcat | Solet-deb: ya. but the book is nothing but telling you part of a function or something. but not the entire thing. FUCK... |
| 04:22.17 | Solet-deb | oh look my windows machine crashed.... raise your hand if you're surprised... |
| 04:22.43 | Solet-deb | deadcat: i had that problem with the php... but when i bought the book i knew so little php that it didnt matter |
| 04:22.52 | Solet-deb | deadcat: surprised that a windows machine crashed? |
| 04:23.13 | deadcat | ver surprised. |
| 04:23.18 | Guerin | Solet-deb: no, two hands canels out one |
| 04:23.21 | deadcat | usually they just freakin slow |
| 04:23.35 | Solet-deb | deadcat: windows 98 first edition |
| 04:23.37 | deadcat | Guerin: hahaha. |
| 04:23.50 | Solet-deb | my xp machine dropped the OS 2 days ago |
| 04:24.29 | Azar | guys when configuring x-ttcidfont-conf what looks better: freetype or xtt ? |
| 04:24.39 | deadcat | freetype |
| 04:24.47 | Azar | thanks deadcat |
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| 04:24.58 | ahewitt | does anyone know how I can test if suexec is using pam? it works if I add my username to /etc/passwd, but if I remove it I get no logs in suexec.log so I can't tell if it is even trying to sue pam |
| 04:25.03 | deadcat | of course. i have no clue what the other one is (= |
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| 04:25.38 | chealer | is slashdot wrong or did the sarge RC bugs count drop that fast? "Around 50 release-critical bugs remain to be fixed.", while http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ reads 20 |
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| 04:25.49 | Shiz | anyone have a netgear router? |
| 04:25.50 | deadcat | chealer: does it matter? |
| 04:25.58 | dondelelcaro | chealer: it's actually even lower. |
| 04:25.58 | chealer | deadcat: not much |
| 04:26.11 | deadcat | Shiz: no one |
| 04:26.18 | dondelelcaro | chealer: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&new=3 |
| 04:26.19 | Shiz | deadcat is that so? |
| 04:26.25 | deadcat | Shiz: you know it. |
| 04:26.33 | chealer | deadcat: but sarge RC bugs count is an addiction for me anyway |
| 04:26.34 | Shiz | awesome |
| 04:26.39 | kerneld | ahewitt: One would we be to try a different pam module |
| 04:26.54 | chealer | dondelelcaro: you mean when ignoring the security ones? |
| 04:27.03 | deadcat | chealer: i know a guy.. he tells me sarge is actually ready. they just want to hype it for a week or so |
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| 04:27.20 | amphore | yahoo :P |
| 04:27.20 | ahewitt | kerneld: I have, I have tried the standard pam_unix and also pam_ldap (which is what I am ultimately trying to get working) |
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| 04:27.30 | deadcat | Solet-deb: how about both side. |
| 04:27.46 | epsilon | is there any dummy daemon, just listning on a port, catches incoming traffic and run stat/analysis? |
| 04:27.46 | Solet-deb | deadcat: i know a guy, he said windows was better than linux, i punched him in the face, he still doesnt believe me... |
| 04:27.46 | deadcat | Solet-deb: then you can get your ass kicked by tough guys. |
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| 04:28.00 | Solet-deb | deadcat: lol sounds like fun... |
| 04:28.06 | chealer | deadcat: hehe |
| 04:28.10 | kerneld | ahewitt: slapd can be run with lots of debugging |
| 04:28.25 | deadcat | Solet-deb: get one like mike tyson. on the face (= |
| 04:28.35 | Solet-deb | ummm... no |
| 04:28.39 | Solet-deb | soooo not my look |
| 04:28.40 | K_Dallas | Solet-deb, linux, windows, bsd, .... they are tools. if that guy uses windows better so why bother to convert him? |
| 04:28.42 | ahewitt | kerneld: yeah, assuming I have access to the ldap server :P |
| 04:29.05 | Solet-deb | K_Dallas: cause he has to reinstall ~ once a month using winxp pro |
| 04:29.17 | deadcat | K_Dallas: i agree. they use what ever they want. |
| 04:29.20 | Solet-deb | and he bitches incesently |
| 04:29.27 | deadcat | Solet-deb: thats his problem. |
| 04:29.40 | deadcat | Solet-deb: then dont punch him. bitch slap him. |
| 04:29.43 | chealer | dondelelcaro: looking at http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html though it seems that both counts would ignore those |
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| 04:29.50 | Varanger | hello all |
| 04:29.51 | K_Dallas | Solet-deb, if he cannot use xp then he has serious problems |
| 04:29.55 | kerneld | ahewitt: Try having a diff setting for the auth module for suexec and have the backend for that module with a different uid and see which uid is used |
| 04:29.58 | Varanger | does anyone how to mount nrg files? |
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| 04:30.14 | deadcat | Varanger: try mount -o loop ? |
| 04:30.17 | Solet-deb | K_Dallas: he pyrates software... and it ends up fucking his system when he tests... |
| 04:30.41 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 04:30.42 | K_Dallas | !lol |
| 04:30.42 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 04:30.54 | Solet-deb | i keep telling him, pyrate it in linux using winemulators... then when it fucks windows system files just reinstall the emulator |
| 04:31.03 | Solet-deb | easier than installing an entire os |
| 04:31.06 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: Wow... that fucking ticks me off... there is a button in front of the lappy that sais on/off... it turns out it controls wireless power... so basically you turn off to save power.. I want to eat whoevers heart who designed this thing. |
| 04:31.07 | kerneld | ahewitt: Err, not auth , account |
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| 04:31.21 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: HAHAHAH. |
| 04:31.34 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: dude just wasted like 30 minutes |
| 04:31.35 | Varanger | deadcat: should I treat Nero's nrg files as regular .iso files ? |
| 04:31.40 | Solet-deb | TwistedLappy: its an HP isnt it |
| 04:31.44 | jasoncohen | chealer, ah, i just had to run sensors-detect in order to find the module i needed to load |
| 04:31.52 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: we should make a list. "guys that we will kick their asses. then shove the product they made up their hole" |
| 04:31.53 | TwistedLappy | Solet-deb: Toshiba |
| 04:31.58 | jasoncohen | now i see sensors for my motherboard, cpu, and voltage |
| 04:32.00 | deadcat | Varanger: no clue. |
| 04:32.04 | Solet-deb | ah.... new hp's do the same thing |
| 04:32.05 | deadcat | but give it a try |
| 04:32.06 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: AGREEEEEED! |
| 04:32.12 | jasoncohen | 26 C motherboard, 35 C cpu |
| 04:32.20 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: orielly is the first one of the list. (= |
| 04:32.43 | Solet-deb | deadcat: thats a lot of cd's up one ass for mr. gates..... i mean thats just cruel |
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| 04:33.16 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: they didnt even fucking label the thing so it makes sence... shows a wireless (i thought a mic because thats what it looks like) and on the other side shows another mic. |
| 04:33.16 | deadcat | Solet-deb: well. maybe he should have think twice before making all those cds (= |
| 04:33.23 | TwistedLappy | *sense |
| 04:33.27 | KerPlunk | What would be the best program to use to login to my linksys router config...(a website) and open/close a port. |
| 04:33.28 | Solet-deb | s/think/thought |
| 04:33.30 | Solet-deb | and yes |
| 04:33.33 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: HAHAHA |
| 04:33.39 | KerPlunk | I want to make a script to easily open/close a port. |
| 04:33.55 | TwistedLappy | okay... gimme a few minutes to install what you told me |
| 04:33.58 | deadcat | KerPlunk: iptables |
| 04:34.16 | Solet-deb | kerplunk: thats cool, if i knew how to do it complicatedly i could help you.... :P |
| 04:35.22 | KerPlunk | deadcat: No way to do it with the router? |
| 04:35.29 | deadcat | KerPlunk: doubt it. |
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| 04:35.56 | TwistedLappy | KerPlunk: What kind of router? |
| 04:36.02 | KerPlunk | linksys |
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| 04:36.17 | Solet-deb | kerplunk: if you can catch the $_POST string it sends to the router when you close the port i can help you, but thats only if you can catch the contents of the $_POST |
| 04:36.39 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: i think you have an orinoco, not prism wireless chipset. |
| 04:36.44 | nonoo | quick question, what should I configure my mail for, local delivery only? |
| 04:36.53 | TwistedLappy | KerPlunk: I doubt you have abbility to telnet into it to change ports but give it a try... plus you lazy ass you know you have a webinterface right? Takes like 2 seconds to change |
| 04:37.06 | KerPlunk | TwistedLappy: yea |
| 04:37.06 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: Err.. good or bad thing? |
| 04:37.14 | KerPlunk | I just want to intergrate it into a bash script somehow. |
| 04:37.20 | TwistedLappy | KerPlunk: can you telnet in? |
| 04:37.23 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: good but not great |
| 04:37.23 | KerPlunk | no |
| 04:37.24 | Solet-deb | TwistedLappy: i think he wants to just have a terminal command to do it |
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| 04:37.32 | KerPlunk | If something occurs and it shows in the logs.. |
| 04:37.33 | TwistedLappy | Solet-deb: I get it... |
| 04:37.39 | KerPlunk | I want the port to get closed from router. |
| 04:37.43 | KerPlunk | But now from iptables. |
| 04:38.15 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: Who do I add to the list to kill? |
| 04:38.40 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: dont know. the guy who invented that stupid wireless on/off thing (= |
| 04:38.48 | Solet-deb | kerplunk: networking != my game... i'm a scripter, i can help once you figure out what commands need executed where... till then i'm more lost than you |
| 04:38.53 | TwistedLappy | ohh hes already on list |
| 04:39.04 | deadcat | hahaha |
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| 04:39.18 | Solet-deb | twisted: the guy who decided hp needed to make more than printers and scanners |
| 04:39.20 | Azar | any idea what "gpm" is for? |
| 04:39.24 | samuel | ok, im a little confused on the spu freq scaling options, what should i use for a pentium-m? powernowd, cpufreqd, or cpudyn? |
| 04:39.34 | astronut | Azar: mouse services on console |
| 04:39.34 | deadcat | !gpm |
| 04:39.34 | dpkg | hmm... gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 04:39.43 | nonoo | well, I think I screwed something up, Im in X but there seems to be no window manager and when I move my touch pad the console gets a tone of basb: bash:: command not found errors |
| 04:39.52 | Azar | thanks :) |
| 04:39.55 | nonoo | but it moves |
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| 04:40.20 | furrywolf | woot! first successful test print |
| 04:40.31 | Solet-deb | wd furrywolf :P |
| 04:40.38 | cat | oh Boy everyday i keep on learning, something new |
| 04:40.54 | deadcat | cat: you know it. |
| 04:41.06 | Solet-deb | cat: thats the idea... we call it life :P |
| 04:41.26 | cat | of course =) |
| 04:41.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I installed the shit you said to install... will man them later and learn to use.. |
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| 04:41.38 | furrywolf | solet: of course, all this test page is is a 1/16th coverage of c, m, y, and k, each on a quarter of a page... |
| 04:41.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Should I use a perbuilt kernel? |
| 04:41.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: to upgrade? |
| 04:41.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what did you isntalled? forget hostap. that might not work on your system. |
| 04:42.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. prebuild works fine. |
| 04:42.15 | Solet-deb | cyan, maroon, yellow, and wtf is K? |
| 04:42.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: no hostap.... wavemon kismet aircrack |
| 04:42.22 | furrywolf | this printer is definitely capable of dithering far, far better than ghostscript manages to... |
| 04:42.36 | furrywolf | cyan, magenta, yellow, and black. fuckinggooleit. :P |
| 04:42.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. |
| 04:42.53 | simonrvn | 2black |
| 04:42.54 | simonrvn | magentacyan, magenta, yellow, black |
| 04:43.06 | Solet-deb | k= black... ok thats cool |
| 04:43.21 | david_ | so anyone here run woody? |
| 04:43.28 | david_ | I'm just curious |
| 04:43.29 | simonrvn | fucking lag |
| 04:43.29 | furrywolf | !anyone |
| 04:43.29 | dpkg | from memory, anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 04:43.33 | Solet-deb | oops i said maroon... :P what happened to red green blue anyway... what was wrong with that? |
| 04:43.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: so hostap-source isnt needed? in the line ... apt-get install module-assistant hostap-source kernel-headers-`uname -r`? |
| 04:43.47 | furrywolf | solet: didn't take grade school physics, eh? :P |
| 04:43.49 | humbolt | I have a multilink which consists of several E1s. Somehow, the bandwidth of traffic passing over that interface has droped by 95%, for an unknown reason. what could be the problem, where do I start my investigation? |
| 04:44.00 | jasoncohen | can i use any mail program to read my system mail? |
| 04:44.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: forget that line. no more hostap related |
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| 04:44.13 | humbolt | ups, wrong channel |
| 04:44.14 | deadcat | jasoncohen: ya. even cat/less/more |
| 04:44.14 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk... unstable or testing? |
| 04:44.20 | david_ | jasoncohen: don't see why not |
| 04:44.25 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: yes i did, but i still dont see the difference... and why dont printers use the REAL primary colors of red blue and yellow? |
| 04:44.37 | furrywolf | solet: LOL! |
| 04:44.43 | furrywolf | I do hope that was intended as a joke? |
| 04:44.44 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: testing seems safe. although i have no problem with unstable |
| 04:44.45 | nonoo | How do I kill a program without the use of a mouse or windows manager? :) I just wanted to see if firefox would open but now I can't shut it down |
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| 04:44.52 | Solet-deb | accually no |
| 04:45.00 | david_ | nonoo: kill |
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| 04:45.09 | Solet-deb | i dont see how you can make yellow from mixing red and green... it baffles me to no end |
| 04:45.16 | nonoo | the terminal is behind firefox, can't get to it |
| 04:45.26 | deadcat | nonoo: switch to console. ctrol+alt+f1 |
| 04:45.49 | JeffH | should I wait to install debian when sarge comes out or is it easy enough to install and upgrade when sarge is released? |
| 04:45.50 | karsten | Solet-deb: pigments and lights mix differently. |
| 04:45.52 | deadcat | nonoo: or alt+tab ? |
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| 04:46.04 | david_ | nonoo: ctl-alt-backspace works too I think to get out of X |
| 04:46.11 | Solet-deb | karsten: but arent ink cartriges pigments? |
| 04:46.15 | nonoo | alt tab didn't work either, but ctrl alt f1 worked like a pro, thank you very much |
| 04:46.19 | furrywolf | red, green (not yellow), and blue are the primary additive colors. If you add red and green, your eyes see yellow. etc. cyan, magenta, and yellow are their opposites, and are the subtractive primary colors. cyan and yellow makes green, for example. |
| 04:46.25 | KerPlunk | Where do programs look for the default browser? |
| 04:46.35 | KerPlunk | It seems different programs all open different browsers. |
| 04:46.36 | karsten | Solet-deb: Yes. Generally ink == CMYK. Light == RGB. |
| 04:46.41 | KerPlunk | Is there a spot they look in or what/ |
| 04:46.44 | ahewitt | kerneld: hrmmm...ok if I add the username to /etc/passwd and change the uid and gid, in the suexec log I get "target uid/gid (12345/130) mismatch with directory (538132/130) or program (538132/130)" meaning that its not using the pam_ldap module at all... |
| 04:46.45 | karsten | Solet-deb: So yellow is primary in pigments. |
| 04:46.46 | rixth | I'm unable to install either Ubuntu OR Debian on my new SATA drive, they both give them same error (installing off ISOs, not netinst) I get "No installable kernel found in defined APT sources" Wtf? I can install both Debian & Ubuntu on my PATA drive fine. |
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| 04:47.07 | nonoo | Thanks for you help tonight, time to give up |
| 04:47.36 | deadcat | KerPlunk: yes. but i forgot what the program is called. (= |
| 04:47.38 | ahewitt | kerneld: does suexec use the auth module? if so I removed the pam_unix line altogether so there was just pam_ldap and it is still using the /etc/passwd entry |
| 04:47.38 | furrywolf | with a printer, each ink color removes a primary color. So, for example, printing cyan removes red, printing magneta removes green, and printing yellow removes blue. if you print all three on top of each other, all are removed, and you get grey. |
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| 04:47.56 | Solet-deb | brb i have to go shoot a bunch of teachers... i'm 19 and a half and no one has ever told me this |
| 04:48.00 | KerPlunk | deadcat: like i2p opens konqueror by default...and aim opens epiphany |
| 04:48.07 | KerPlunk | deadcat: they all seem to open random browsers. |
| 04:48.08 | K_Dallas | lol Solet-deb |
| 04:48.16 | deadcat | KerPlunk: you can export BROWSWER=firefox |
| 04:49.09 | JeffH | if I point my atp.sources file to sarge what will I get? some beta or release candidate type stuff? Or is sarge even out in the repositories yet? |
| 04:49.16 | JeffH | err apt |
| 04:49.24 | Solet-deb | karsten so if yellow is primary in pigments why is my ink in the printer rgbk |
| 04:49.31 | deadcat | JeffH: out for years. |
| 04:49.40 | karsten | JeffH: sarge == testing currently. |
| 04:49.52 | KerPlunk | deadcat: I use dillo. |
| 04:49.53 | KerPlunk | :) |
| 04:49.53 | karsten | Solet-deb: NFC. What printer. |
| 04:50.07 | deadcat | KerPlunk: dito (= |
| 04:50.12 | furrywolf | thus, to make green, you print cyan and yellow on top of each other. cyan removes red, only allowing green and blue to be reflected. yellow removes blue, only allowing red and green though. when combined, only green gets through, and you see green. (it's harder than that, but that's the basic idea of subtractive primary colors) |
| 04:50.15 | furrywolf | solet: it doesn't. |
| 04:50.16 | JeffH | karsten: aah... so at some point they cut testing over to the 'release'? |
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| 04:50.46 | JeffH | karsten: doesn't sound like there's any point in waiting for the official release of sarge before I install. |
| 04:50.52 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: deadcat loves dildo |
| 04:50.53 | karsten | JeffH: Semantically, yes, but technically, what happens is sarge is delinked from testing and relinked to stable on the mirrors. |
| 04:51.03 | furrywolf | solet: your printer, if it's color, and not a photo printer, uses cyan, magenta, yellow, and black. you may think cyan is blue and magenta is red, but they're not. :P |
| 04:51.18 | karsten | JeffH: woody is relinked from 'stable' to 'oldstable'. Etch is created and testing pointed at it. |
| 04:51.23 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Whats up evil one? |
| 04:51.40 | furrywolf | are we about to get 80 zillion or so people in here next week saying they did an apt-get upgrade on their woody system and now all is broke? :) |
| 04:51.41 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Working up a sweat here in Napa. |
| 04:51.48 | deadcat | karsten: you going to be at linuxworld? or the picnic? |
| 04:51.57 | JeffH | karsten: does some form of 'unstable' start the new version 'Etch'? |
| 04:51.59 | karsten | deadcat: NFC. |
| 04:52.06 | karsten | JeffH: Unstable == Sid. |
| 04:52.13 | Solet-deb | !test |
| 04:52.13 | dpkg | Sorry, solet-deb, I didn't get your test. |
| 04:52.14 | deadcat | karsten: FS |
| 04:52.15 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Jesus... god knows thats true... still burning my ass off and 10pm ;P |
| 04:52.39 | JeffH | karsten: where does the new stuff that becomes testing come from? |
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| 04:52.42 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: I'm just in from a ride. Cold shower and I'm still dripping sweat. |
| 04:52.56 | karsten | JeffH: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 04:53.01 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: that would be sexy if it wasnt for the stubble... |
| 04:53.23 | rixth | I'm unable to install either Ubuntu OR Debian on my new SATA drive, they both give them same error (installing off ISOs, not netinst) I get "No installable kernel found in defined APT sources" Wtf? I can install both Debian & Ubuntu on my PATA drive fine. Any idea what is causing this/how do I fix it? If I loot at the drive after it errors, there are /usr /var /etc directories etc. |
| 04:53.26 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Naw, I shaved today. Face like a baby's ass. |
| 04:53.41 | TwistedEmotions | Poor baby ;( |
| 04:53.41 | jasoncohen | when a new kernel-image is installed, is there a way to prevent it from replacing custom modules with the default ones? |
| 04:53.54 | JeffH | karsten: is there any point in waiting to install Sarge until the official release? |
| 04:53.55 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: ;) jkin... good deal |
| 04:54.03 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...Mind, that's a BA w/ a *fresh* diaper. |
| 04:54.06 | deadcat | jasoncohen: it has its own dir for modules /lib/modules |
| 04:54.12 | jasoncohen | the new kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 package replaced my custom ati_remote package with the default one |
| 04:54.12 | karsten | JeffH: Sure. |
| 04:54.20 | deadcat | JeffH: if its desktop. no point. server yes. |
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| 04:54.36 | JeffH | deadcat: yes, this will be for a server. |
| 04:54.38 | karsten | JeffH: You have the option of pointing at *either* release state *or* named release. |
| 04:54.40 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: perhaps YOU should take the twisted screenname |
| 04:54.51 | deadcat | jasoncohen: i doubt that. |
| 04:54.58 | Solet-deb | my moms printer is the one that has the rgb and its a photo printer... it has 2 cartriges rgb and cmyk |
| 04:54.58 | deadcat | JeffH: wait 6 days (= |
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| 04:55.08 | jasoncohen | deadcat, well dmesg shows 2.2.1 loaded and the one i use is 2.2.3c |
| 04:55.09 | JeffH | I just ask because I see Sarge is to be released on the 6th but I have all this week off work so have the time to do the work. haha |
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| 04:55.14 | karsten | JeffH: ...so if you want to stick with Sarge, just point at it rather than "testing" and release day won't matter much to you. You can substitute in "stable" after that. |
| 04:55.25 | jasoncohen | deadcat, my rf niveus remote doesn't work with the stock ati_remote driver. |
| 04:55.35 | karsten | JeffH: Updating Debian systems is pretty much trivial. |
| 04:55.50 | karsten | JeffH: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-frozen |
| 04:56.06 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: I'd steal your nick, but I'd much rather get it an you in one package deal. |
| 04:56.22 | jasoncohen | i have my Makefile set to -2-386 as the extraversion so it probably just replaced my /lib/modules with the new one...but it didn't delete new modules that aren't in the kernel like ivtv which i compiled myself |
| 04:56.30 | furrywolf | solet-deb: adding rgb in addition to cmyk allows a (slightly) wider range of colors to be produced, but mainly its to reduce the amount of dithering needed, giving smoother tones. for example, rather than mixing cyan and yellow to make green, it can simply print green. |
| 04:56.33 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: so just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686? |
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| 04:56.52 | Solet-deb | aha |
| 04:56.53 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: if you have that kernel yes. you using sid? |
| 04:56.55 | JeffH | I think I'm finally going to get rid of qmail and go with exim. |
| 04:57.20 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: I thought that was the kernel ? |
| 04:57.28 | karsten | Solet-deb: Yeah, but your cat had a more fulfilling day. |
| 04:57.35 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: ya. for sid. sarge only goes to 2.6.8-2 |
| 04:57.47 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: changed all the sources to unstable but didnt make much of a difference |
| 04:58.00 | Solet-deb | karsten: i was talking to a guy in here with the nick "cat" he declaired earlier that he learned something new today |
| 04:58.01 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: you aveh to apt-get dist-upgrade first |
| 04:58.37 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: Wait... to run sid kernel I have to upgrade everything? |
| 04:58.50 | JeffH | I'll be glad to have spam detection on my mail server at last. |
| 04:58.51 | Solet-deb | and yeah i know my cats have more fulfilling days... |
| 04:58.56 | karsten | Solet-deb: Ah. I hate that nick -- I keep confusing it with either pets, or commands, or both. |
| 04:58.59 | furrywolf | ok, so the easy part is done. I have a C program that makes test patterns pop out of the printer. now to make gimp-print talk to it... |
| 04:58.59 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: no. you can go to packages.d.o and download it. then dpkg -i so dont mess with the sources file |
| 04:59.01 | jasoncohen | anyone know why the bugcount on http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ (20) is different from http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/all.html (13)? |
| 04:59.08 | Solet-deb | they lounge about contemplating their ability to contemplate, whilst i'm at work |
| 05:00.08 | furrywolf | gimp-print would be nicer if the source had more comments for those of us who have no clue what we're doing. :) |
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| 05:00.23 | Solet-deb | yeah i know how you feel... i hate the nick "karsten" when ever i see it in channel all i think is "will you get that out of twistedemotions' ass!?" |
| 05:00.25 | madclicker_ | ahoy |
| 05:00.42 | karsten | Seeing as sarge is nearing release, I'm still fond of my comment on woody's release... |
| 05:00.55 | deadcat | karsten: what you say? |
| 05:01.09 | karsten | deadcat: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-07-19-022-26-NW-DB-SW&tbovrmode=1 |
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| 05:01.10 | madclicker_ | when sarge gets released, does sid turns into "testing"? |
| 05:01.17 | JeffH | is there an easy way to do a fresh install of debian without having a monitor/keyboard connected to the machine? |
| 05:01.19 | furrywolf | madclicker: no. |
| 05:01.20 | Xenguy | madclicker_: no |
| 05:01.30 | furrywolf | sid is always unstable. the next testing with be etch. |
| 05:01.47 | deadcat | karsten: should i search for karsten or read the thing? |
| 05:01.48 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: you know I do come in a package right..? apt-get install mostamazingmaninworld |
| 05:01.51 | Azar | should I literally use the quote on this setting? echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 05:01.55 | karsten | deadcat: "sport your Woody proudly." |
| 05:02.01 | madclicker_ | furrywolf: thanks |
| 05:02.01 | deadcat | JeffH: yes. |
| 05:02.03 | deadcat | karsten: hahaha |
| 05:02.06 | Azar | hi karsten :) |
| 05:02.07 | furrywolf | azar: the quotes make no difference there |
| 05:02.10 | karsten | Azar: Oi. |
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| 05:02.23 | Azar | thanks furrywolf |
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| 05:02.32 | JeffH | deadcat: how? |
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| 05:03.03 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Get your nose out of there! |
| 05:03.05 | simonrvn | TMI |
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| 05:03.17 | madclicker_ | what happened to abrotman? haven't seen that cat in a few days now |
| 05:03.34 | karsten | madclicker_: He's been around. /msg dpkg seen <nick> |
| 05:03.49 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: hahah.. used a different instrunment... ;) |
| 05:03.51 | jasoncohen | deadcat, so, what do i have to do to make sure a kernel_image upgrade doesn't overwrite my custom ati_remote module? |
| 05:03.52 | karsten | madclicker_: w/in the past 2 hours. |
| 05:04.06 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to adjust the brightness of a laptop screen? |
| 05:04.35 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: most laptops I've used have funky keyboard keycodes that do that, usually in combination with a fn key or the like. |
| 05:04.53 | furrywolf | (the other ones had knobs. :) |
| 05:05.05 | simonrvn | you knob |
| 05:05.09 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, it's fn Up and fn down here |
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| 05:05.21 | JeffH | jason: change the location the kernel installs the modules to. |
| 05:05.25 | madclicker_ | karsten: nice feature |
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| 05:05.42 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: key codes dont do shit here... |
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| 05:05.53 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: kk will try that next.. |
| 05:05.57 | deadcat | JeffH: ssh? |
| 05:06.07 | kapitol | anyone know how to restart cron in debian? |
| 05:06.16 | furrywolf | http://gutenprint.org/ <== is it my imagination, or is the new gimp-print site remarkably useless? :) |
| 05:06.23 | deadcat | jasoncohen: NFC (= |
| 05:06.28 | TwistedEmotions | kapitol: /etc/init.d/cron restart... |
| 05:06.32 | TwistedEmotions | hahha ^^ joking |
| 05:06.34 | JeffH | deadcat: ssh would work after a base set of debian has been installed. But as best I can tell that requires a monitor/keyboard. |
| 05:06.35 | TwistedEmotions | or am I? |
| 05:06.39 | jasoncohen | JeffH, so, let's say i used -2-386-custom. how do i then have modules load from /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386-custom ? |
| 05:06.55 | simonrvn | you don't need to restart cron to have cron tab edits take effect |
| 05:07.17 | kapitol | <TwistedEmotions> cheers dude |
| 05:07.17 | deadcat | JeffH: you lost me |
| 05:07.17 | madclicker_ | where is the best place to purchase release cd's/dvd's? |
| 05:07.20 | furrywolf | I think cron re-reads all the contabs every minute... |
| 05:07.24 | TwistedEmotions | kapitol: dude it work? |
| 05:07.36 | JeffH | jason: not sure.. been too long since I messed with building kernels and such. |
| 05:07.41 | simonrvn | it does. it's written that way |
| 05:07.44 | TwistedEmotions | kapitol: *did it work? |
| 05:08.20 | jasoncohen | anyone know how to use a custom extraversion so that new kernel updates don't overwrite your modules? |
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| 05:08.40 | simonrvn | man make-kpkg. --revision for instance |
| 05:08.41 | JeffH | deadcat: I want to do a fresh install of debian. Seems to me to do that I need a monitor/keyboard connected until I get networking up and going, then I can use ssh or some other protocol to remotely access the machine at which point I don't need the monitor/keyboard. |
| 05:09.16 | karsten | JeffH: Correct. |
| 05:09.16 | simonrvn | JeffH: that's what i do. do the install with screen and kbd, then forego it |
| 05:09.35 | karsten | JeffH: ...or you can start your install via a chroot or somesuch on another system, and transfer it to another computer. There's quite a bit of flexibility in the install process. |
| 05:09.41 | simonrvn | could also be seria |
| 05:09.41 | deadcat | or install debian on a diff machine and move the hd over? |
| 05:09.44 | karsten | JeffH: ...there are also a number of hands-off install methods. |
| 05:09.47 | simonrvn | l |
| 05:09.55 | karsten | simonrvn: m |
| 05:10.03 | simonrvn | n |
| 05:10.08 | deadcat | q |
| 05:10.09 | deadcat | ? |
| 05:10.10 | karsten | simonrvn: p |
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| 05:10.17 | karsten | !lose deadcat |
| 05:10.17 | JeffH | I only have one monitor/keyboard so to switch it between machines is a pain in the ass. |
| 05:10.18 | dpkg | deadcat: You Lose. |
| 05:10.25 | simonrvn | uh, o? |
| 05:10.30 | deadcat | i am never goood at this game |
| 05:10.44 | karsten | JeffH: Don't try to put the monitor/keyboard in your *ss then ;-) |
| 05:10.54 | JeffH | haha yowch. |
| 05:10.54 | simonrvn | JeffH: same here. don't have to do it much anymore afterwards ;) |
| 05:11.09 | simonrvn | gotta have a *BIG* ass for that... |
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| 05:11.15 | madclicker_ | does anyone know if sarge will include 2.6.10 version of the kernel? |
| 05:11.27 | stew | madclicker_: it won't |
| 05:11.28 | deadcat | madclicker_: doubt it. |
| 05:11.34 | simonrvn | no it won't. last i heard |
| 05:11.36 | karsten | JeffH: chroot install works for me. Several alternatives there. |
| 05:11.47 | furrywolf | 2.6.10 had problems with eating ext2 last I heard, so I strongly doubt it. |
| 05:11.50 | madclicker_ | will it always remain 2.6.8? |
| 05:11.52 | JeffH | simonrvn: me either really.. but I want to move from qmail to exim and figure with Sarge due out I might as well do a fresh install. |
| 05:11.55 | stew | madclicker_: yes |
| 05:11.56 | Azar | at bootup I notice one error and I have the feeling it seem to do with the sound: FATAL: Error inserting rtc (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/char/rtc.ko): no such device rtc: can't be loaded ---- I have not prepared yet for installing alsa or any kind of sound driver, I just installed new kernel 2.6.8-2-k7, xfree86, x-windows and nvidia no X desktop manager yet. What is rtc ? |
| 05:12.03 | simonrvn | hah, ok |
| 05:12.04 | deadcat | madclicker_: probably |
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| 05:12.23 | karsten | madclicker_: You can generally install more recent kernels on your own. What the installer runs though will likely remain at or near what it releases with. |
| 05:12.24 | simonrvn | rtc doesn't have to do with sound |
| 05:12.24 | JeffH | rtc = realtime clock |
| 05:12.34 | furrywolf | azar: rtc is the realtime clock, and probably not related to sound problems. |
| 05:12.34 | Azar | oh |
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| 05:12.42 | karsten | JeffH: What are you running now? |
| 05:12.46 | Azar | hey, I appreciate, thanks guys |
| 05:13.01 | JeffH | karsten: a Woody/backports combo. |
| 05:13.34 | karsten | JeffH: Park the HD you want to install on in that system. Mount it someplace, say, /mnt/target |
| 05:13.36 | madclicker_ | karsten: do you know if ahci will ever be supported by sarge? |
| 05:13.39 | karsten | JeffH: ...and do a chroot install onto it. |
| 05:13.42 | karsten | madclicker_: NFC. |
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| 05:13.48 | karsten | !tell JeffH about chroot install |
| 05:14.17 | TwistedEmotions | apt-get install cooler |
| 05:14.18 | JeffH | the introduction of backports has messed up some of my dependencies which is another reason I want to do a fresh install. |
| 05:14.23 | karsten | JeffH: Once you've completed the install, swap to the other system. Confirm it boots. You can ssh into it at that point. |
| 05:14.28 | furrywolf | park the hd? haven't had to do that since MFM/RLE days... :P |
| 05:14.38 | Azar | good night and thanks again :) |
| 05:14.45 | karsten | JeffH: ...alternatively, you can get a kbd & monitor for ~$25 used. |
| 05:14.47 | simonrvn | park a hd? wow, that's memories |
| 05:14.59 | _gentgeen_ | I mucked up my box by not running lilo after an update (that included a kernel) and now can get the box to boot |
| 05:15.08 | karsten | furrywolf: "park" in the sense of "put the target install drive in your current system". |
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| 05:15.13 | furrywolf | simon: youngins probably don't even know what it is. :) |
| 05:15.26 | simonrvn | sad.. |
| 05:15.27 | karsten | furrywolf: Besides, you don't park drives, you walk them. |
| 05:15.32 | karsten | furrywolf: you park *heads*. |
| 05:15.34 | _gentgeen_ | my question is, can I change the vmlinuz link on hda1 to and old kernet and it would boot the old kernel |
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| 05:15.37 | JeffH | karsten: I'll probably just switch my current monitor/keyboard for the couple of hours needed to install the debian base and get networking going. |
| 05:15.53 | karsten | JeffH: Whatever. TMTOWTDI |
| 05:16.20 | karsten | _gentgeen_: Yes. Rerun 'lilo' if you're using that. What's your bootloader? |
| 05:16.20 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: WTF does that mean... I mean cmon... thats like a fuckiug paragraph |
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| 05:16.30 | JeffH | Still gotta decide whether I do it this week when I'm off work or in a couple weekends after Sarge is released. |
| 05:16.34 | karsten | !tell TwistedEmotions about TMTOWTDI |
| 05:16.35 | TwistedEmotions | !TMTOWTDI |
| 05:16.35 | dpkg | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
| 05:16.41 | simonrvn | there's more than one way to do it |
| 05:16.42 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh.. |
| 05:16.48 | TwistedEmotions | that was more simple then I thought |
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| 05:17.02 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: just kidding... still love you ;) |
| 05:17.18 | _gentgeen_ | using lilo, but cant get things to work cause boot is on /dev/mapper/vg-boot |
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| 05:18.03 | karsten | _gentgeen_: ?? |
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| 05:18.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: for some reason my wireless doesnt reconnect at bootup anymore... have to do it manually... do you know how the horse testicle I am suppose to get it to just connect to any network it finds? |
| 05:18.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:18.32 | simonrvn | stop using horse testicles to power the computer |
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| 05:18.44 | _gentgeen_ | used virtual file system (I think that is what it is called) |
| 05:18.48 | TwistedEmotions | simonrvn: cheap then human testicles |
| 05:18.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: thanks |
| 05:18.55 | _gentgeen_ | but /etc on hda1 |
| 05:19.08 | simonrvn | those poor stallions... |
| 05:19.09 | _gentgeen_ | but all other on the vg |
| 05:20.04 | simonrvn | brb |
| 05:20.16 | _gentgeen_ | correction -- vg is LVM |
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| 05:21.12 | TwistedEmotions | I've setup sudo with no password but for some wierd reason still asks me the *first* time I start the computer... anyway to get around that? Funny this is that doesnt do it on desktop and config files are the exact same I think.. |
| 05:21.33 | steve_ | !vallejo |
| 05:21.33 | dpkg | vallejo is, like, the home of Mac Dre and the infamous crest. All tha' cuttys chill on Lenoard Street. XO nigga to the crest HO. And if ya' soft ya best be real. 707 represent. Nike shoes. Levi Jeans. Triple gold thangs with straight lace 'zines. In short, vallejo is hard. |
| 05:21.44 | TwistedEmotions | WOW that is PIMP |
| 05:21.46 | JeffH | So what happens while my e-mail server is down when I'm upgrading? If someone sends me an e-mail do they just get a notice that its not deliverable? Does it take a while to determin its not deliverable? |
| 05:22.10 | TwistedEmotions | I didnt know !vallejo was rep'd in #debian.. |
| 05:22.15 | TwistedEmotions | !bayarea |
| 05:22.16 | fruers | I have a HT linux box in production as a mysql server, it is constantly using ~30% cpu but nothing shows up in top, is there any way to find out what the process is? |
| 05:22.20 | TwistedEmotions | Awww funk |
| 05:22.23 | steve_ | you also from the 707?!?! |
| 05:22.24 | TwistedEmotions | !oakland |
| 05:22.24 | dpkg | oakland is probably that cesspool near the dumps known as Berkeley and San Francisco |
| 05:22.33 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Where are you again? |
| 05:22.37 | furrywolf | jeffh: most mail servers will retry silently for some period of time (1 hour and 4 hours seem common), then give the sender a warning, then keep retrying for several days. |
| 05:22.47 | karsten | dpkg: oakland is also there's no there there. |
| 05:22.47 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 05:23.01 | JeffH | fruers: what PVR package are you using? Myth? |
| 05:23.25 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: karsten: Walnut creek... like 15 minutes from oakland... bored rich retired white people. And me. |
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| 05:23.46 | steve_ | you're from walnut creek?!?! |
| 05:23.48 | Solet-deb | karsten: wtf |
| 05:23.58 | steve_ | my dad's house is there!!!! |
| 05:24.06 | Solet-deb | !topeka |
| 05:24.08 | karsten | Solet-deb: ?? |
| 05:24.11 | fruers | JeffH: Umm, it's a mysql server for radius |
| 05:24.12 | steve_ | maybe i am in walnut creek right now |
| 05:24.20 | Solet-deb | "there's no there there"???? |
| 05:24.30 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: Maybe? You not sure? |
| 05:24.31 | karsten | Solet-deb: Google it. |
| 05:24.37 | karsten | Solet-deb: Gertrude Stein. |
| 05:24.37 | steve_ | well, irc is a dangerous place |
| 05:24.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no hes not. hes a moron |
| 05:24.58 | steve_ | d00d |
| 05:25.04 | steve_ | check my ip address |
| 05:25.13 | steve_ | ask me anything about walnut creek |
| 05:25.15 | deadcat | steve_: fuck you. you broke into my system earlier bastard. |
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| 05:25.21 | fruers | JeffH, In fact it's a mysql slave and i think 30% cpu usage is too high, but i can't see that mysql is the culprit |
| 05:25.22 | steve_ | i live near arbolado park |
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| 05:25.26 | deadcat | steve_: whta state is wlanut creek? |
| 05:25.33 | fruers | Nothing shows up in top or ps |
| 05:25.38 | steve_ | california |
| 05:25.39 | Solet-deb | steve_ whats the address of the main postoffice in walnut creek |
| 05:25.44 | JeffH | okay.. I think I'm gonna install Sarge this week while I'm off work. |
| 05:25.46 | deadcat | steve_: so you know |
| 05:25.48 | steve_ | 94598! and 94596 |
| 05:25.55 | karsten | WRT Oakland: "Jokeland, CA: there's no brains there" |
| 05:25.58 | steve_ | there are like 4 post offices |
| 05:25.58 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: he knows where 707 is man... ask something harder then that... |
| 05:26.09 | Solet-deb | ok you win |
| 05:26.12 | Solet-deb | :P |
| 05:26.20 | steve_ | Solet-deb: you are from walnut creek too? |
| 05:26.22 | Solet-deb | brb i reqire caffine |
| 05:26.22 | darth-debian | hello - QUESTION - how do i reset my NIC in linux? when i first installed debian my NIC worked fine. is there a command to refresh the NIC (i'm using DHCP on my router). thanks |
| 05:26.23 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: anything you cant look up on the net? |
| 05:26.35 | darth-debian | i'm in windows right now |
| 05:26.35 | karsten | Solet-deb: http://jerrybrown.typepad.com/jerry/2005/03/here_and_there_.html |
| 05:26.35 | Solet-deb | fuck no! i'm in nowhere fuckin topeka kansas |
| 05:26.37 | steve_ | okay- you know where broadway plaza is? |
| 05:26.48 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: yeah... where is the congular store? |
| 05:26.55 | TwistedEmotions | *cingular |
| 05:27.08 | karsten | darth-debian: Might be able to unload & reload the driver. Otherwise a reboot. |
| 05:27.09 | steve_ | near like fresh choice, 7-11 ish |
| 05:27.14 | steve_ | like kaiser |
| 05:27.16 | darth-debian | karsten - reboot didn't work |
| 05:27.22 | steve_ | its near sunrise bakery |
| 05:27.30 | karsten | darth-debian: Make sure that it's the NIC itself, and not some networking / routing issue. |
| 05:27.35 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: not even close. |
| 05:27.39 | steve_ | what? |
| 05:27.39 | karsten | darth-debian: What makes you think there's a problem with the nic? |
| 05:27.40 | darth-debian | karsten - i'm use windows xp with the NIC and it works fine |
| 05:27.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: whats 707? |
| 05:27.51 | darth-debian | karsten - i think it's aproblem with debian's config of the NIC? |
| 05:27.52 | karsten | darth-debian: How doesn't it work in Debian? |
| 05:28.02 | darth-debian | i can't connect to internet or ping |
| 05:28.02 | steve_ | TwistedEmotions: what cingualr store are you thinking of? |
| 05:28.05 | karsten | darth-debian: Does it show in dmesg or lspci output? |
| 05:28.06 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: jesus man... go out more... 707 benecia, vallejo, ect ect, |
| 05:28.18 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. no clue |
| 05:28.23 | furrywolf | 707 is the area code for a large part of northern california |
| 05:28.25 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: the one next to the ice cream store... |
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| 05:28.32 | steve_ | maggie moos? |
| 05:28.34 | furrywolf | 530 being the other major one |
| 05:28.50 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: deadcat's got SFitis. |
| 05:28.51 | deadcat | i am familiar with 415, 408 |
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| 05:29.02 | billh | anybody having problems with realplayer and firefox ? |
| 05:29.05 | furrywolf | deadcat: that's a bit further south. marin, etc. |
| 05:29.10 | billh | flash too |
| 05:29.10 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: too true. |
| 05:29.17 | steve_ | the cingular store is in the new plaza escuela |
| 05:29.29 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: That's the disease where the world ceases to exist past Yerba Buena, the South Tower of thet GGB, SFO, and Daly City. |
| 05:29.39 | steve_ | ask me something else to prove my Da CREEK status |
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| 05:29.46 | deadcat | i dont get this norcal socal shit. in SF. no one gives a shit |
| 05:29.52 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Everything else is just really good CGI. |
| 05:30.05 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: hahahhaha |
| 05:30.06 | furrywolf | steve_: what's the address of the local sex toy store? |
| 05:30.11 | steve_ | i dont know |
| 05:30.19 | deadcat | furrywolf: he knows |
| 05:30.27 | steve_ | who here is from walnut creek |
| 05:30.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you go to school like 10 minutes from benecia numb nuts.. ;) |
| 05:30.43 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: HAHAHAH. |
| 05:30.44 | darth-debian | hello - QUESTION - is debian supposed to autodetect the NIC? |
| 05:30.57 | deadcat | darth-debian: supposed yes |
| 05:31.10 | furrywolf | darth: kill the stupid all-caps question banner. |
| 05:31.20 | Solet-deb | steve_ what day do they collect trash at the court house |
| 05:31.22 | darth-debian | deadcat - so why did debian detect m yNIC fine, but now it is not able to connect to my router/internet or ping |
| 05:31.31 | darth-debian | deadcat - did the configuration change somehow? |
| 05:31.35 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: What JC does everyone here go to? |
| 05:31.40 | deadcat | darth-debian: check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:31.42 | steve_ | DVC! |
| 05:31.45 | darth-debian | what to look for? |
| 05:31.56 | darth-debian | deadcat - is there a command i could use to restart the NIC or repair the connection? |
| 05:32.00 | steve_ | or LMC if they think they are ghetto |
| 05:32.03 | streuner | darth-debian: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 05:32.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: steve_ is from WC.. or at least he knows the area |
| 05:32.17 | darth-debian | streuner - what does that do? |
| 05:32.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: should we put him on the list? |
| 05:32.28 | streuner | darth-debian: badgers? |
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| 05:32.33 | steve_ | what list? |
| 05:32.34 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: okay... one last question... where is karsten located? |
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| 05:32.38 | streuner | darth-debian: just read the factoid |
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| 05:32.40 | steve_ | karsten? |
| 05:32.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahahhah done. |
| 05:32.49 | TwistedEmotions | yup.. where? |
| 05:32.51 | steve_ | what is karsten? |
| 05:32.51 | Solet-deb | TwistedEmotions: i dont think he's legit he couldnt answer my question :P |
| 05:32.59 | deadcat | steve_: wrong answer |
| 05:33.04 | steve_ | what? |
| 05:33.10 | TwistedEmotions | exactly |
| 05:33.17 | steve_ | what is karsten? |
| 05:33.22 | darth-debian | streuner - well, i need to reboot into debian now...from win xp :P |
| 05:33.23 | darth-debian | thanks |
| 05:33.24 | TwistedEmotions | ok your in walnut creek right? |
| 05:33.24 | darth-debian | :) |
| 05:33.27 | steve_ | yeah |
| 05:33.29 | darth-debian | my walnut creaks |
| 05:33.32 | steve_ | i live there |
| 05:33.40 | steve_ | are you in WC now? |
| 05:33.41 | Spec | you have that problem too? |
| 05:33.46 | Solet-deb | darth-debian: you only have one? you poor poor man :P |
| 05:33.59 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: is a being with stuble and is located in my bed. |
| 05:34.01 | darth-debian | solet-deb: one...computer? |
| 05:34.08 | steve_ | you wanna meet to prove i am from WC? |
| 05:34.19 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: no. |
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| 05:34.24 | steve_ | ha ha ha |
| 05:34.26 | Guerin | you weak buncha bastards |
| 05:34.27 | Solet-deb | darth-debianmy walnut creaks :: just one? |
| 05:34.29 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dont fall for that. hes fed |
| 05:34.35 | darth-debian | lol |
| 05:34.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: feds want to find ME? theyre fucking bored. |
| 05:34.49 | Solet-deb | steve_: he already has karsten, he doesnt need you |
| 05:34.50 | steve_ | what school do you go to? |
| 05:34.58 | Guerin | you can all get together and have a wank-a-thon someplace other than #debian |
| 05:35.02 | Guerin | that would be fine |
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| 05:35.43 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: you got a fax? |
| 05:35.50 | steve_ | no |
| 05:35.55 | TwistedEmotions | useless. |
| 05:36.05 | deadcat | phone# his ass |
| 05:36.05 | steve_ | what do you want to fax me? |
| 05:36.06 | Guerin | ooh, you could have gotten fax images of TwistedEmotions' arse |
| 05:36.06 | TwistedEmotions | You got a match? |
| 05:36.15 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:36.24 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: you can get that in #sooosexy |
| 05:36.26 | steve_ | what part of WC are you from? |
| 05:36.31 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you'd know. |
| 05:36.35 | Solet-deb | Guerin: TwistedEmotions wouldnt do that thats cheating on karsten |
| 05:36.43 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Napa. |
| 05:37.20 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Err? I know... why did you say that? |
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| 05:37.38 | deadcat | !confuse karsten |
| 05:37.39 | dpkg | Yes, how was your hamster yesterday, karsten? trousers of the democracy of tahiti with extra ham |
| 05:37.50 | TwistedEmotions | !tell steve_ about msg |
| 05:37.50 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: I thought you were asking where I was at. |
| 05:38.18 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i told you hes fed. |
| 05:38.23 | steve_ | what? why did you say ! tell steve about msg? |
| 05:38.34 | deadcat | steve_: /topic |
| 05:38.42 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ah.. No. Gah. I'm confused. |
| 05:38.48 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Ohh.. I KNOW.. you are sitting in front of your computer in a white grey shirt and shorts. |
| 05:38.49 | steve_ | i'll meet you under the walnut creek tunnels |
| 05:39.03 | TwistedEmotions | What? WC has tunnels? |
| 05:39.03 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: What color shorts? |
| 05:39.08 | steve_ | yeah- |
| 05:39.15 | steve_ | near La Cantina restaurant |
| 05:39.19 | steve_ | and Macy's |
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| 05:39.29 | steve_ | where do you think the "walnut creek" went? |
| 05:39.31 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: pink |
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| 05:39.43 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: a creek..? |
| 05:39.46 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Damn you're good. |
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| 05:39.52 | Solet-deb | guys, can we take this pointless location proof battle to #somewhereotherthanhere |
| 05:39.56 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...they're a very pink shade of ... |
| 05:40.05 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: just a webcam ;) |
| 05:40.05 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ... dark khaki... |
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| 05:40.18 | steve_ | yeah- but it runs underneath downtown wlanut creek |
| 05:40.18 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Im color blind... |
| 05:40.32 | streuner | heh |
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| 05:40.39 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: Where is the library.. I mean what is it next to? |
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| 05:40.44 | technos | Hrm.. |
| 05:40.49 | technos | Why the devil.. |
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| 05:40.57 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: I see grey as pink... wierd huh? |
| 05:41.01 | sphere | hi |
| 05:41.06 | Solet-deb | TwistedEmotions: like all libraries... its next to the night book return drop box you dolt |
| 05:41.31 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: yup... you know this area well. |
| 05:41.34 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: If you're colorblind, how do you know it's pink? |
| 05:41.36 | steve_ | hey- if you wanna talk about walnut creek, ca - go to #wc |
| 05:41.40 | Solet-deb | rofl |
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| 05:41.49 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: meet you there |
| 05:41.56 | deadcat | isnt color blind only green and red? |
| 05:41.56 | technos | Apparently centericq depends on gnupg, which depends on libgpgme, whick depends on libusb??!?! What the hell is with that dependancy on usb? |
| 05:42.06 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: I only see in shades of pink.. |
| 05:42.08 | Solet-deb | deadcat: no |
| 05:42.16 | furrywolf | deadcat: I think it can be any of the primary colors, or even only B&W. |
| 05:42.16 | Solet-deb | my god father swaps green and purple |
| 05:42.19 | sphere | I burnt a dvd with growisofs -Z /dev/hda -R -J /path/to/movie - it will play in a stand-alone player, but xine dvd:/dev/hda (as root) doesn't work. any ideas? |
| 05:42.23 | deadcat | Solet-deb: my friend has problem with green and red only |
| 05:42.24 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: called pinkitis |
| 05:42.27 | Solet-deb | and my uncle just cant see red... its a shade of grey to him |
| 05:42.32 | deadcat | furrywolf: ah |
| 05:42.39 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: of no relation to pinktits |
| 05:42.50 | karsten | mmmm. Pinktits.... |
| 05:43.00 | xtapo | Can anyone recommend a good wireless card that uses the orinoco_cs driver? I just accidently snapped my wonderful Microsoft one. |
| 05:43.06 | steve_ | hey- no one came into #wc |
| 05:43.13 | deadcat | xtapo: prism cards? |
| 05:43.30 | TwistedEmotions | steve_: Im there... try /quit invisible. |
| 05:43.40 | TwistedEmotions | shows my name. |
| 05:44.06 | xtapo | deadcat: Anything that'll work magically without any screwing with pcmcia.conf? |
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| 05:44.23 | deadcat | xtapo: i can sell you an orinoco card. |
| 05:44.32 | xtapo | deadcat: What type? |
| 05:44.45 | deadcat | xtapo: orinoco wavelan 128bit |
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| 05:44.52 | xtapo | b or g? |
| 05:44.54 | deadcat | b |
| 05:45.04 | deadcat | only local though. no shippings and shit |
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| 05:45.37 | fruers | Should you enable smp on hyperthreading cpu's? |
| 05:45.43 | deadcat | xtapo: where you at? |
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| 05:45.54 | xtapo | deadcat: MA |
| 05:45.57 | deadcat | shit |
| 05:46.05 | Solet-deb | deadcat: you should start an online pc supply store, selling parts that are built linux friendly |
| 05:46.08 | Nurbs | fruers: to use it, yes |
| 05:46.10 | furrywolf | fruers: only if you want to use it. |
| 05:46.11 | deadcat | xtapo: just google for a prism based card. cheap and works even better than orinoco. |
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| 05:46.22 | xtapo | earth is a big place deadcat :-) |
| 05:46.38 | Solet-deb | omfg |
| 05:46.44 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: they do. |
| 05:46.45 | deadcat | Solet-deb: ya. i had a great idea once. fucking bestbuy or whatever used it. they called it "geeksquad".. |
| 05:46.47 | Solet-deb | you dont need a driver to send power to a usb card... |
| 05:46.58 | Solet-deb | lol |
| 05:47.25 | Solet-deb | whats the address to a usb port look like? |
| 05:47.33 | xtapo | where are you deadcat? |
| 05:47.35 | fruers | Is there any advantage to using smp on a single cpu ht box? |
| 05:47.36 | deadcat | furrywolf: you can get a patch for that driver |
| 05:47.48 | deadcat | xtapo: near walnut creek (= HAHAHAH |
| 05:47.51 | furrywolf | solet: they're not just powered by the usb port; they actually properly implement usb1.1... |
| 05:47.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahahahah |
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| 05:48.11 | jasoncohen | does nfs-common need to be run as a service to automount nfs partitions on boot? nfs-common includes nfs-client |
| 05:48.12 | TwistedEmotions | jesus steve_ is fucking annoying. |
| 05:48.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hes /msg'ing you? shit man. he wants to meet you for sex and bust your ass. |
| 05:48.43 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: told you hes fed. |
| 05:48.48 | fruers | Nurbs, furrywolf?? Is there any advantage to enabling smp? |
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| 05:48.54 | Solet-deb | \whats the path to a usb port look like? |
| 05:49.06 | furrywolf | fruers: yes. you get to use hyperthreading. like we both said. |
| 05:49.12 | deadcat | xtapo: no. not a joke. its just that we;ve been talking about walnut creek, CA for a while here. |
| 05:49.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: figured. That's normally how the cops do it too... |
| 05:49.28 | deadcat | ya |
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| 05:49.36 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
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| 05:49.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: thats why i dont fall for it again (= |
| 05:49.44 | TwistedEmotions | * xtapo googles and then finally gets the joke :-P |
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| 05:49.53 | TwistedEmotions | What? is WC on google? |
| 05:50.07 | TwistedEmotions | steve_ how would i be a fed? |
| 05:50.35 | steve_ | pfff... too many haters in here |
| 05:50.47 | Solet-deb | TwistedEmotions: cant be a fed... as much as it hurt to compliment him... he's too smart :P |
| 05:50.49 | fruers | furrywolf: thanks, should you expect a significant performance improvement when enabling ht? |
| 05:50.49 | deadcat | bitch please |
| 05:51.03 | steve_ | too smart? |
| 05:51.04 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:51.13 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: I beg to differ |
| 05:51.13 | steve_ | !vallejo |
| 05:51.13 | dpkg | hmm... vallejo is the home of Mac Dre and the infamous crest. All tha' cuttys chill on Lenoard Street. XO nigga to the crest HO. And if ya' soft ya best be real. 707 represent. Nike shoes. Levi Jeans. Triple gold thangs with straight lace 'zines. In short, vallejo is hard. |
| 05:51.27 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: to get your usb vibrator working cat /dev/hda > whatever usb port its in |
| 05:51.31 | furrywolf | "He believes that keeping costs low to consumers and building a business model for a diverse segment of users will make his product accessible to more users, and has plans for a Linux-based interface in the works for Mac OSX users." can't find any actual linux usb vibrator drivers; only mentions of them possibly being written. |
| 05:51.33 | Solet-deb | (that should keep it going for a while :P) |
| 05:51.47 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo vallejo |
| 05:51.48 | dpkg | vallejo -- created by steve_ <~steve@adsl-67-112-201-253.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net> 2h 7m 54s ago; it has been requested 3 times, last by steve_, 34s ago. |
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| 05:51.56 | Solet-deb | tell steve_ about botabuse |
| 05:52.07 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
| 05:52.08 | streuner | vallejo: we prefer not to use the term |
| 05:52.12 | TwistedEmotions | !pimpslap steve_ |
| 05:52.14 | TwistedEmotions | damn |
| 05:52.15 | deadcat | told you hes a moron. |
| 05:52.18 | streuner | vallejo: 'nigga' |
| 05:52.20 | TwistedEmotions | !slap steve_ |
| 05:52.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: its bitchslap |
| 05:52.26 | TwistedEmotions | good enough. |
| 05:52.33 | Solet-deb | !aliensmite steve_ |
| 05:52.36 | TwistedEmotions | !bitchslap steve_ |
| 05:52.41 | TwistedEmotions | hahahha good. |
| 05:52.51 | Solet-deb | @lart steve_ |
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| 05:53.08 | TwistedEmotions | hahahha |
| 05:53.28 | YouLookPregnant | what school do you go to twisted emotions? |
| 05:53.28 | technos | Snazzy come back. |
| 05:53.36 | YouLookPregnant | montevista? |
| 05:53.37 | fruers | I have 26% "user" cpu usage but nothing shows up in top, what gives?? |
| 05:53.46 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dont say it. i dont want him to go start shooting. |
| 05:53.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahahaha |
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| 05:54.03 | YouLookPregnant | why dont we meet and then i will fight you |
| 05:54.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hes pregnant cant carry a gun. |
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| 05:54.17 | mwilson | fruers: top is empty? Highly unlikely. |
| 05:54.19 | deadcat | YouLookPregnant: i am not a fighter. (= |
| 05:54.29 | Solet-deb | lol steve uses bitchx... who'd have guessed |
| 05:54.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: he was talking to me |
| 05:54.39 | YouLookPregnant | irssi is gay |
| 05:54.40 | deadcat | o |
| 05:54.43 | TwistedEmotions | YouLookPregnant: hahahahhahahah ask deadcat what I look like ;) |
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| 05:54.59 | YouLookPregnant | deadcat- what does he look like |
| 05:55.05 | fruers | mwilson: Nothing shows up in the cpu % column for whatever is using the cpu |
| 05:55.08 | ^_^kay_ | dfghjkl; |
| 05:55.11 | streuner | !tell YouLookPregnant about gay |
| 05:55.15 | Solet-deb | YouLookPregnant: your mom |
| 05:55.15 | TwistedEmotions | YouLookPregnant: you homo... stop asking people what I look like. |
| 05:55.19 | fruers | mwilson: So i can't identify what is using the cpu... |
| 05:55.25 | deadcat | YouLookPregnant: tom cruise |
| 05:55.28 | YouLookPregnant | fine- i'll use fag |
| 05:55.35 | YouLookPregnant | www.godhatesfags.com |
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| 05:55.55 | deadcat | !ops YouLookPregnant is races |
| 05:55.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: YouLookPregnant is races |
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| 05:56.03 | fruers | mwilson: If i fire up a process i can see how much cpu it using, but whatever is using this ~26% doesn't show up at all |
| 05:56.11 | Solet-deb | !tell YouLookPregnant about go away |
| 05:56.14 | fruers | Even though it's "user" |
| 05:56.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: races? |
| 05:56.27 | deadcat | my bad |
| 05:56.32 | deadcat | eating |
| 05:56.43 | Solet-deb | !ops s/races/racist |
| 05:56.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: s/races/racist |
| 05:56.46 | Solet-deb | :P |
| 05:56.49 | YouLookPregnant | racist? you know i'm latino? |
| 05:57.03 | furrywolf | YouLookPregnant: no, but we all know you're a moron. |
| 05:57.04 | Solet-deb | YouLookPregnant: no, i know you're a dumbass tho |
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| 05:57.15 | YouLookPregnant | dumbass? |
| 05:57.15 | streuner | Its not helpful at all |
| 05:57.21 | technos | Being a minority doesn't mean you can't be racist. :P |
| 05:57.42 | zoshi | minority? |
| 05:57.47 | YouLookPregnant | and being technos doesn't mean that you're 30 and still living at home |
| 05:57.50 | zoshi | it depends on where he lives |
| 05:57.51 | deadcat | !sunday |
| 05:57.51 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 05:58.04 | bob2 | YouLookPregnant: please? |
| 05:58.06 | zoshi | For example, in Los Angeles, he would be majority. |
| 05:58.13 | Solet-deb | but its tuesday |
| 05:58.13 | bob2 | also, stop encourging it |
| 05:58.25 | bob2 | I don't know why you guys have to encourage trolls everytime they appear |
| 05:58.31 | zoshi | YouLookPregnant: Doesn't everyone live at home? |
| 05:58.42 | zoshi | *shrug* |
| 05:58.45 | YouLookPregnant | not the homeless |
| 05:58.54 | TwistedEmotions | Heh? |
| 05:58.56 | TwistedEmotions | English? |
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| 05:58.58 | Solet-deb | zoshi the sage has spoken... :P |
| 05:59.01 | john__ | homeless people still have homes |
| 05:59.02 | Solet-deb | !zoshi++ |
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| 05:59.06 | sobersabre | YouLookPregnant, i live at home :) |
| 05:59.07 | john__ | YouLookPregnant: Home is where the heart is. |
| 05:59.18 | deadcat | YouLookPregnant: depends how you defind home |
| 05:59.21 | TwistedEmotions | Home sweet home. |
| 05:59.29 | sobersabre | i also live once-twice a year in a tent. |
| 05:59.34 | sobersabre | but mostly - home. |
| 05:59.46 | TwistedEmotions | sobersabre: I been there... in Walnut Creek? |
| 05:59.51 | technos | Live at ome? I wish. I liva at work, and it'll be the death of me. |
| 05:59.53 | Solet-deb | lol my tent is almost more of a home than my house... i sleep better in a tent |
| 05:59.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha |
| 06:00.03 | YouLookPregnant | well, who lives in the bay area here? |
| 06:00.04 | sobersabre | muhaha... TwistedEmotions, not at all :) |
| 06:00.05 | Solet-deb | technos: lol |
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| 06:00.16 | sobersabre | technos, right! |
| 06:00.16 | zoshi | YouLookPregnant: Which bay area? |
| 06:00.16 | TwistedEmotions | sobersabre: hahaha |
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| 06:00.30 | YouLookPregnant | the San Francisco Yay Area |
| 06:00.31 | TwistedEmotions | YouLookPregnant: More then one bay.. |
| 06:00.32 | Solet-deb | i live in the bay area |
| 06:00.36 | zoshi | oh |
| 06:00.40 | sobersabre | i actually live at home 40% of the time. 60% is at work... but that's not living... |
| 06:00.57 | sobersabre | hmmm... |
| 06:01.07 | sobersabre | and when i am at home, i often work |
| 06:01.11 | sobersabre | wow... |
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| 06:01.15 | TwistedEmotions | Wow |
| 06:01.17 | TwistedEmotion | wow |
| 06:01.18 | sobersabre | i actually don't live at home! |
| 06:01.29 | sobersabre | my poor GF! |
| 06:01.39 | gpm | hi. i'm using thunderbird/firefox and gnome. i set the default browser in gnome-default-application-properties to firefox, but when i click links in thunderbird they open with epiphany...what can i do to fix this? |
| 06:01.46 | simonrvn | me it's about 50%/50%. though 60-70 out lately. must be getting onto summer... |
| 06:01.48 | deadcat | ops really need to start banning |
| 06:01.56 | jamuraa | heh |
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| 06:02.01 | TwistedEmotion | fine- i'll cool off |
| 06:02.11 | Solet-deb | gpm: i thing think it can be fixed i have the same problem... |
| 06:02.24 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: how the slut do I get this guy off my name? |
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| 06:02.37 | Solet-deb | un installe epiphany is all i can think of |
| 06:02.45 | john__ | Wow |
| 06:02.52 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no clue. he seems leet |
| 06:02.53 | sobersabre | TwistedEmotions, who's the real one ? |
| 06:02.59 | TwistedEmotions | me |
| 06:03.01 | jamuraa | heh |
| 06:03.02 | john | TwistedEmotions is the real one |
| 06:03.11 | jamuraa | registered nick? |
| 06:03.14 | TwistedLappy | yes |
| 06:03.14 | sobersabre | :) how can we tell ? |
| 06:03.17 | Solet-deb | yeah... you can tell by teh lisp :P |
| 06:03.18 | TwistedLappy | I am |
| 06:03.19 | TwistedLappy | there |
| 06:03.31 | jamuraa | HEH |
| 06:03.34 | jamuraa | arg |
| 06:03.38 | TwistedEmotions | There... he left ;) |
| 06:03.40 | jamuraa | stupid caps lock in the wrong spot |
| 06:03.45 | TwistedEmotions | my screen name anyways |
| 06:03.47 | simonrvn | twithtedemotionth |
| 06:03.54 | furrywolf | do the red dwarf test. ask them to play guitar, and whoever plays better, shoot. |
| 06:03.56 | TwistedEmotions | simonrvn: What? |
| 06:04.03 | Solet-deb | twistedlappy and twisted emotions have the same ip :P |
| 06:04.05 | simonrvn | with a lisp |
| 06:04.12 | sobersabre | furrywolf, i'd shoot at whoever plays worse... |
| 06:04.17 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: is smart.. |
| 06:04.19 | simonrvn | furrywolf: ehehe |
| 06:04.25 | TwistedEmotions | sobersabre: I'd be fuckered. |
| 06:04.31 | furrywolf | sobersabre: clearly you haven't watched enough red dwarf. |
| 06:04.32 | jamuraa | sobersabre: bah, shoot em both |
| 06:04.37 | simonrvn | no, fuckereded |
| 06:04.56 | Solet-deb | jamuraa: you cant shoot the real one... karsten would be soooo lonely :( |
| 06:05.11 | Solet-deb | TwistedEmotions: glad some one see's it |
| 06:05.14 | sobersabre | furrywolf, i've never watched it ... is it another smurfs, fraggle rock or whatever childhood nightmare ? |
| 06:05.21 | simonrvn | TwistedEmotions: dude, chill... |
| 06:05.21 | Solet-deb | ROFL |
| 06:05.35 | jamuraa | sobersabre: good BBC SF comedy |
| 06:05.39 | TwistedEmotions | sobersabre: joking ;) |
| 06:05.43 | drp | !fruitsmite racerX |
| 06:05.44 | furrywolf | sobersabre: it's a british sci-fi comedy. 8 seasons, and they've been coming out with a movie "next year" for about 8 years now. |
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| 06:06.06 | sobersabre | i like hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy etc. ( D.Adams RIP ) |
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| 06:06.39 | TwistedEmotions | never watched/read... looked boring and pointless. |
| 06:06.52 | furrywolf | sobersabre: red dwarf is/was rather popular (had a strong cult following)... I'm sure google will find more than enough about it. :P |
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| 06:06.56 | deadcat | sobersabre: i like the robot (= |
| 06:07.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you ever watch that movie? |
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| 06:07.10 | sobersabre | i liked the elevator. |
| 06:07.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. the robot is hella funny |
| 06:07.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: need to wget tonight then.. |
| 06:07.30 | deadcat | sobersabre: what elevator? |
| 06:07.44 | Solet-deb | omg another day went by and i still havent gotten around to learning how to mount smb or ftp directories, install qingy, make a swap partition, or fix the null areas of my desktop... damnit... oh well i'm off to bed |
| 06:07.50 | pb3400 | hello, i was wondering if debian is anygood for laptops, and how can it be installed withought cd's, floppy's, usb-keys, or any other removeable media |
| 06:08.00 | pb3400 | i do have some partitioning software... |
| 06:08.03 | sobersabre | deadcat, that wasn't happy with going up/down and wanted to go left/right, back/forth etc. with AI in it. |
| 06:08.17 | Solet-deb | oh crap whats the trigger... |
| 06:08.19 | sobersabre | depressed one. |
| 06:08.21 | deadcat | pb3400: yes very good. download the netinstall cd and start it |
| 06:08.37 | pb3400 | erm...no cd burner |
| 06:08.38 | sobersabre | TwistedEmotions, about r/w were u talking about red dwarf ? |
| 06:08.43 | deadcat | sobersabre: nope. you lost me |
| 06:08.50 | pb3400 | deadcat: no cd burner |
| 06:08.57 | Solet-deb | whats the trigger about no monitor just a punch card reader and a usb printer |
| 06:08.59 | deadcat | pb3400: what laptop? ppc? |
| 06:09.00 | pb3400 | and im using Windows |
| 06:09.01 | sobersabre | deadcat, so u were talkng about red dwarf |
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| 06:09.05 | pb3400 | 386 |
| 06:09.08 | deadcat | pb3400: use floppy then |
| 06:09.13 | furrywolf | !listvals punch |
| 06:09.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'punch' by value (9): oasissmack ;; ahh that ;; punch ;; rube goldberg install ;; CMD: beavisslap (.*?) ;; knock knock ;; qotd103 ;; punch the bitch ;; CMD: hit (.*?). |
| 06:09.18 | deadcat | sobersabre: the movie right? |
| 06:09.18 | pb3400 | deadcat:no floppys |
| 06:09.20 | valdyn | !rube goldberg install |
| 06:09.20 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 06:09.25 | furrywolf | !rube goldberg install |
| 06:09.31 | deadcat | pb3400: what you got? usb? then try the usb install then |
| 06:09.34 | pb3400 | deadcat:i have network |
| 06:09.39 | sobersabre | deadcat, i've never seen it |
| 06:09.40 | montecristo | !bay area |
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| 06:09.46 | deadcat | pb3400: you will have to have a linux machine for network. |
| 06:09.47 | pb3400 | deadcat: i said no usb-keys |
| 06:09.47 | Solet-deb | thanks... :) |
| 06:09.52 | pb3400 | argh... |
| 06:09.55 | deadcat | pb3400: take the hd out. |
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| 06:10.02 | montecristo | !vallejo |
| 06:10.10 | pb3400 | deadcat: there is no way to install it from inside an nt os? |
| 06:10.12 | deadcat | pb3400: by now you should have guessed that i didnt read your q clearly (= |
| 06:10.16 | jamuraa | no cdrom? |
| 06:10.17 | deathdellic | sysinfo |
| 06:10.17 | deadcat | pb3400: no |
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| 06:10.23 | deathdellic | get_info |
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| 06:10.29 | Solet-deb | will one of the ops set their scripts to kick ban on text "!vallejo" |
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| 06:10.31 | pb3400 | deadcat: ok...also, is debian any good for laptops? |
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| 06:10.42 | pb3400 | deadcat: and does it come with an x-window manager? |
| 06:10.43 | deadcat | pb3400: very good. |
| 06:10.48 | jamuraa | yes |
| 06:10.48 | montecristo | !mac dre |
| 06:10.48 | dpkg | hmm... mac dre is in vallejo |
| 06:10.51 | Solet-deb | debian r0x0rz on all computers |
| 06:10.59 | deadcat | pb3400: debian has all the packages you will ever want to know |
| 06:11.11 | pb3400 | deadcat: aha! I think i found sumtin |
| 06:11.13 | pb3400 | http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 06:11.16 | montecristo | twistedemotions has many services running |
| 06:11.21 | montecristo | many, many services |
| 06:11.23 | deadcat | pb3400: your lucky day |
| 06:11.34 | Solet-deb | i have a p1 with 32 mb ram that even runs as a decent print server |
| 06:11.34 | pb3400 | deadcat: do u recomenned sarge or woody? |
| 06:11.39 | TwistedEmotions | montecristo: you dont say? |
| 06:11.39 | Solet-deb | sarge |
| 06:11.44 | Solet-deb | @release |
| 06:11.45 | ravenbird | When is release ... the official answer: "Debian has a strict policy of never announcing release dates; therefore, the release date for ``sarge'' is not yet known.", or Stable release is "woody" (3.0), Testing release is "sarge", following that will be something not yet named |
| 06:11.45 | Solet | Sarge is expected to be released in: 4days 22hrs 43mins 30secs |
| 06:11.56 | deadcat | pb3400: sarge for laptop/desktop. woody for server |
| 06:12.00 | pb3400 | ok |
| 06:12.01 | TwistedEmotions | montecristo: what kind of a firewall do I use? |
| 06:12.02 | pb3400 | ty |
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| 06:12.17 | montecristo | none |
| 06:12.27 | sean_micken | is there anyway to show what packages depend on a given package? |
| 06:12.38 | deadcat | sean_micken: apt-cache show packages? |
| 06:13.00 | montecristo | 54320/tcp open bo2k? |
| 06:13.01 | valdyn | sean_micken: apt-cache rdepends <package> |
| 06:13.02 | montecristo | 54320/tcp open bo2k? |
| 06:13.08 | montecristo | wtf? |
| 06:13.10 | Solet-deb | omg monecristo is trying to root TwistedEmotions |
| 06:13.13 | deadcat | montecristo: nothing to worry. just ignore it |
| 06:13.19 | montecristo | omg- i already did |
| 06:13.26 | streuner | sean_micken: or simply use /msg dpkg depends package here |
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| 06:13.27 | TwistedEmotions | kk... kill gdm on either computer. |
| 06:13.27 | TwistedEmotions | lets see this |
| 06:13.46 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 06:13.47 | montecristo | okay ash |
| 06:13.57 | TwistedEmotions | Awww fuck. |
| 06:13.57 | deadcat | montecristo: what up? |
| 06:14.02 | Solet-deb | TwistedEmotions: watch him 'forget the command to kill gdm' |
| 06:14.09 | montecristo | what up? |
| 06:14.14 | deadcat | ash right? |
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| 06:14.23 | ruemohr | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 06:14.25 | ruemohr | gnumeric: relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: XRenderQuerySubpixelOrder |
| 06:14.25 | ruemohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.37 | TwistedEmotions | montecristo: gdm still running on both. |
| 06:15.23 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 06:15.38 | streuner | those quit-message are funny |
| 06:15.47 | streuner | messages* |
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| 06:15.55 | ruemohr | I see my problem all over google, but no solutions |
| 06:16.11 | deadcat | streuner: i think hes using bitchx (= |
| 06:16.22 | TwistedEmotions | montecristo: No success yet? |
| 06:16.32 | streuner | deadcat: uhm, thats a total other situation then... :-P |
| 06:16.52 | streuner | nah, he is using irssi |
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| 06:17.03 | streuner | ;-) |
| 06:17.22 | ahewitt | does anyone know how I can see what pam_ldap is receiving from LDAP or even if it is able to connect? |
| 06:17.24 | deadcat | streuner: i like "the installer asked me to install Windows 98 or better, so i installed Mac OSX" HAHAHA |
| 06:17.27 | sean_micken | if i remove a repo from sources.list then run apt-get update, will it remove that stuff? |
| 06:17.46 | simonrvn | ahewitt: set debug like the manual tells you |
| 06:17.52 | valdyn | sean_micken: no |
| 06:18.19 | ahewitt | simonrvn: debug on what, LDAP? pam? |
| 06:18.19 | ruemohr | gnumeric: relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: XRenderQuerySubpixelOrder <-- whats the imcompatability here? |
| 06:18.29 | simonrvn | pam |
| 06:18.33 | ruemohr | libxf2 is up to date... |
| 06:18.35 | simonrvn | also your server logs |
| 06:18.35 | ahewitt | simonrvn: cheers |
| 06:18.41 | streuner | deadcat: one step in the right direction... |
| 06:18.46 | deadcat | haha |
| 06:18.56 | valdyn | ruemohr: what did you do to fuck up your system? power outage? random deletion of random files? |
| 06:18.57 | simonrvn | 256 is nice. 384 is good to se ACL porcessing |
| 06:19.00 | simonrvn | pro* |
| 06:19.11 | deadcat | streuner: or "the install .... win 98, so i returned that shit" |
| 06:19.18 | ruemohr | valdyn: I let apt upgrade some stuff |
| 06:19.27 | ruemohr | valdyn: via dependency |
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| 06:19.41 | valdyn | ruemohr: "some" ? |
| 06:19.53 | valdyn | ruemohr: from which to which debian release? |
| 06:19.58 | ruemohr | valdyn: whatever it wanted to install ... beep? |
| 06:20.02 | ruemohr | hmm |
| 06:20.26 | ruemohr | my sources are currently testing and unstable |
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| 06:20.38 | ruemohr | with unstable commented out :) |
| 06:20.51 | deadcat | ruemohr: then its testing. not testing and unstable |
| 06:21.15 | ruemohr | yes, I wonder if I'm running an unstable ver of gnumeric... |
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| 06:21.21 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep |
| 06:21.31 | valdyn | ruemohr: dpkg -l gnumeric |
| 06:21.35 | valdyn | !info gnumeric sarge |
| 06:21.36 | valdyn | !info gnumeric sid |
| 06:21.37 | dpkg | gnumeric: (GNOME spreadsheet application), section math, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 3742 kB, Installed size: 10232 kB |
| 06:21.39 | dpkg | gnumeric: (GNOME spreadsheet application), section math, is optional. Version: 1.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3245 kB, Installed size: 9011 kB |
| 06:21.54 | ruemohr | gnumeric 1.4.3-4 GNOME spreadsheet application |
| 06:22.12 | ruemohr | so thats testing, right? |
| 06:22.32 | ruemohr | so, what the heck is worng... |
| 06:22.37 | sean_micken | valdyn: well, how do i get rid of that repo entirely then? |
| 06:22.42 | valdyn | ruemohr: yes, but you still probably are running a part unstable, part testing system |
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| 06:22.52 | valdyn | sean_micken: you dont "get rid of repo", you remove packages |
| 06:23.13 | valdyn | sean_micken: repos only determine the availability of packages to install. |
| 06:23.19 | sean_micken | valdyn: well.. that's not what i mean... i just removed a special repo from my sources.list and i want it out of the apt-cache. |
| 06:23.41 | simonrvn | repo means repository in this case, not reposession ;) |
| 06:23.49 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:24.04 | simonrvn | sean_micken: this is why you run an update after you change the list |
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| 06:24.25 | ruemohr | !info libxft2 sarge |
| 06:24.29 | dpkg | libxft2: (FreeType-based font drawing library for X), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.1.7-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 06:24.29 | valdyn | sean_micken: apt-get update should have done that |
| 06:24.40 | sean_micken | cool. |
| 06:24.45 | ruemohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.50 | sean_micken | just wondering if it does or not. |
| 06:24.51 | r2d4 | xft xtt xfs xfstt .... @@ |
| 06:24.53 | ruemohr | I dont get it |
| 06:25.07 | ruemohr | it cant find the function in the provided version of the library |
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| 06:25.47 | simonrvn | ruemohr: some app is looking for a symbol, which that lib doesn't contain, so it exits non-zero |
| 06:26.12 | simonrvn | this is why mixed systems don't work out too well |
| 06:26.14 | ruemohr | yes, but if both those files are sarge, and there is an incopatibility |
| 06:26.26 | ruemohr | I dont know about that |
| 06:26.37 | ruemohr | libxft2 is the right version |
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| 06:26.50 | valdyn | ruemohr: libraries link against libraries too, not just apps |
| 06:27.03 | simonrvn | yes... but different version might contain different stuff |
| 06:27.12 | ruemohr | but it says: relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: XRenderQuerySubpixelOrder |
| 06:27.17 | ruemohr | aha! that proves your right! |
| 06:27.34 | ruemohr | its libxft2 throwing the error! |
| 06:27.37 | ruemohr | ok |
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| 06:27.43 | ruemohr | I just have to ldd it |
| 06:27.53 | simonrvn | no, the app is. |
| 06:28.04 | ruemohr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:28.23 | simonrvn | it was built with a certain version that *does* contain the symbol, and the one installed doesn't, so it pukes |
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| 06:29.27 | toonx | how can i change the font X uses ? |
| 06:29.40 | toonx | the ones i have right now are so crappy |
| 06:29.40 | jm_ | X doesn't use any specific font |
| 06:29.46 | deadcat | toonx: check your .gtkrc file or .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 06:29.53 | ruemohr | "This happens when people have unofficial versions of the XFree86 |
| 06:29.53 | ruemohr | packages installed." |
| 06:29.57 | toonx | deadcat, cool thanks |
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| 06:30.16 | ruemohr | "Please upgrade to XFree86 4.3.0-7, currently in Debian unstable (sid) |
| 06:30.16 | ruemohr | and testing (sarge)." |
| 06:30.22 | ruemohr | http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2004/04/msg01113.html |
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| 06:30.31 | valdyn | toonx: X doesnt "use fonts", apps do |
| 06:30.53 | toonx | valdyn, ritght , then i ment how to change the fonts gnome uses |
| 06:31.10 | valdyn | toonx: gnome-font-properties |
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| 06:31.24 | toonx | valdyn, k |
| 06:31.28 | simonrvn | preferences > fonts |
| 06:31.44 | overnout | is it possible to boot to single mode an imidiatetly back to the default runlevel ?? |
| 06:31.56 | karsten | overnout: Yes. |
| 06:32.02 | Guerin | anything's possible |
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| 06:32.05 | ruemohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.13 | simonrvn | 'single' |
| 06:32.15 | sean_micken | i just updated kernel-source-2.6.8, but the kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 hasn't been updated (according to the timestamp). |
| 06:32.19 | karsten | overnout: Exiting single-user mode goes to default runlevel. |
| 06:32.20 | valdyn | !info xfree86-common sarge |
| 06:32.26 | dpkg | xfree86-common: (X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 794 kB, Installed size: 1284 kB |
| 06:32.27 | ruemohr | so now I break X, bbl |
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| 06:32.44 | overnout | karsten: if i am doing that remote i wont have access to the box |
| 06:33.14 | r2d4 | X server? |
| 06:33.18 | ruemohr | Need to get 21.3MB of archives. <--------- I have a 33.6 modem >:-/ |
| 06:33.25 | karsten | overnout: OK, then rephrase your question. |
| 06:33.34 | simonrvn | the benefits of having moved this box from ubuntu: ii xserver-xorg 6.8.2-10 the X.Org X server |
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| 06:33.56 | deadcat | simonrvn: you on ubuntu? |
| 06:34.11 | simonrvn | was. on debian now. this x86 thing |
| 06:34.17 | r2d4 | rue_mohr-_- I only have a 300bps modem ... >_< |
| 06:34.17 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:34.18 | overnout | karsten: ok if i am going to do a remote reboot... how can i come back from a single single mode |
| 06:34.35 | deadcat | simonrvn on x86, must be judgement day (= |
| 06:34.41 | karsten | overnout: Define "come back from". |
| 06:34.47 | karsten | overnout: Are you in single-user mode now? |
| 06:34.53 | overnout | karsten: no |
| 06:34.55 | simonrvn | nah, just what the garbage gives out ;) |
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| 06:35.12 | ruemohr | r2d4: so how long does it take you to download 21M? |
| 06:35.24 | debian | simonrvn: I thought ubuntu would use x.org |
| 06:35.24 | overnout | karsten: i dont want to completely reboot the computer but only reboot from single user mode |
| 06:35.26 | r2d4 | hehe -_- |
| 06:35.38 | r2d4 | so I give up |
| 06:35.53 | ruemohr | r2d4: and does your provider allways get your 300baud?? or they like mine and can barely fill it to 60% capacity? |
| 06:36.22 | karsten | overnout: If you do a 'shutdown now' to go to single user, then you'll lose your remote access. Note that unless you specify '-h' (halt) or '-r' (reboot), shutdown actually takes the system to single-user mode. |
| 06:36.27 | simonrvn | debian: yeh, this hoary cd i got from another friend helped ;). |
| 06:36.30 | overnout | karsten: i suppose it isnt possible to do init single and send a ctrl+D afterwards to come back isnt it ? |
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| 06:36.34 | karsten | overnout: If you fully reboot, your system will boot to its default runlevel. |
| 06:36.53 | karsten | overnout: I'm a bit confused as to how you're planning on accessing your box remotely in single-user mode. |
| 06:36.53 | overnout | jes |
| 06:37.05 | overnout | karsten: thats the point |
| 06:37.07 | karsten | overnout: There's a certain level of clarity missing in your cquestion. |
| 06:37.09 | simonrvn | eek |
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| 06:37.28 | karsten | overnout: One trick used by some is to run sshd from inittab rather than /etc/init.d/ |
| 06:37.42 | overnout | karsten: hmm thats nice |
| 06:37.49 | ruemohr | grr it wants to upgrade pgsql, I have to save my databases first as last time I lost them all |
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| 06:38.02 | simonrvn | yeh. makes sure the thing is running. just set it on 'respawn' ;) |
| 06:38.16 | simonrvn | (sshd in inittab) |
| 06:38.17 | karsten | overnout: Note that runlevels are pretty much what you define them to be. THere's nothing special about runlevel 1, other than most system services, and multiple / non-root logins, are disabled. |
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| 06:38.36 | karsten | overnout: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Security/sshd-always-running.html |
| 06:38.45 | karsten | simonrvn: Bingo. |
| 06:38.59 | overnout | karsten: what i want is that it doesnt wait for the Ctrl+D signal |
| 06:39.07 | karsten | overnout: ...remarkable _unlike_ a former boss once claimed: that Linux couldn't run networking at single-user mode. |
| 06:39.10 | pb3400 | can debian be network installed from an image on the hd? |
| 06:39.14 | karsten | overnout: 'telinit 2' |
| 06:39.23 | overnout | :) |
| 06:39.29 | simonrvn | karsten: was s/he smoking crack? |
| 06:39.34 | karsten | overnout: ...will switch to runlevel 2. You can issue that from ssh remotely when in single user mode. |
| 06:39.45 | karsten | simonrvn: He was prone to making radically unsupported and wrong statements. |
| 06:39.49 | Guerin | pb3400: from a linux-based host os, sure |
| 06:39.52 | karsten | simonrvn: It took me some time to realize this. |
| 06:39.53 | iLLf8d | anyone know if I can move a primary LVM partition from one box to a slave position in another box with the same volume group name and similarly named partitions w/out issues? I'm trying to move the drive over to copy stuff off an old setup to a new setup. |
| 06:39.56 | simonrvn | aah, i see =) |
| 06:40.09 | Guerin | pb3400: but that's a woft, because you might as well use debootstrap |
| 06:40.15 | karsten | simonrvn: He was a founder, and CTO, of the company. Full of shit in more ways than one. THe company, BTW, folded. |
| 06:40.24 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:40.31 | pb3400 | hmm... |
| 06:40.36 | karsten | iLLf8d: That's what we call a really good question. |
| 06:40.42 | karsten | iLLf8d: Why don't you try it and tell us ;-) |
| 06:40.44 | pb3400 | Guerin:wats that? |
| 06:40.48 | overnout | karsten: ssh always running seems also a nice solutiion |
| 06:40.53 | Guerin | !debootstrap |
| 06:40.53 | iLLf8d | karsten: heh I may =P |
| 06:40.53 | dpkg | it has been said that debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
| 06:40.54 | karsten | Guerin: Got kimchee? |
| 06:41.02 | simonrvn | fuck it, coffee time (yes, it's 2:40 localtime) |
| 06:41.08 | Guerin | karsten: every day, without fail |
| 06:41.13 | Guerin | but damn and hell |
| 06:41.14 | streuner | heh |
| 06:41.14 | karsten | overnout: Prolly. |
| 06:41.23 | deadcat | simonrvn: thats am or pm? |
| 06:41.26 | Guerin | looks like the start of the monsoon, and this weekend is Road Trip weekend |
| 06:41.28 | streuner | am |
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| 06:41.41 | simonrvn | am of course |
| 06:41.42 | karsten | Guerin: ...try it, you'll like it. |
| 06:41.47 | Guerin | karsten: i'll have some kimchi instead, thanks |
| 06:41.54 | ruemohr | Guerin: say that after 9 days of trying to figure out a probalem that turns out to be a config file that wasn't put in tthe right place |
| 06:41.54 | streuner | fartfish |
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| 06:41.59 | deadcat | simonrvn: bah. i was up till 5 lastnight. |
| 06:41.59 | karsten | overnout: Next best thing to remote serial access. |
| 06:42.07 | Guerin | ruemohr: say what? |
| 06:43.06 | ruemohr | Guerin: 9 days of debugging |
| 06:43.22 | ruemohr | er problem tracing |
| 06:43.23 | overnout | karsten: I have seen that sometimes ..but you need a second terminal then , isnt it ? |
| 06:43.33 | Hamled | Is there any way to do a CD-Boot to install Debian, but without using isolinux? |
| 06:43.58 | Guerin | ruemohr: how much for an ounce of context? |
| 06:44.01 | jm_ | Hamled: Debian CD-s are bootable, why would you use isolinux? |
| 06:44.19 | Hamled | jm_, they seem to use it already... |
| 06:44.25 | streuner | simonrvn: have you ever see |
| 06:44.27 | jm_ | Hamled: yes, why is that a problem? |
| 06:44.31 | simonrvn | funny that spammers think i'm not awake right now.. |
| 06:44.37 | streuner | simonrvn: "Can't buy me love"? |
| 06:44.39 | overnout | some system from which the serial lines come start to end to the target computer |
| 06:44.45 | Guerin | Hamled: you can get another boot method which drops you to an auto-boot prompt, then boot from there |
| 06:44.49 | simonrvn | yeh, i think so |
| 06:44.50 | Hamled | it doesn't work with old BIOSes (apparently the BIOS on my IBM ThinkPad qualifies) |
| 06:44.53 | iLLf8d | I need one of those drives that are ata666 |
| 06:44.54 | karsten | overnout: There are hardware devices which will access the serial console (or BIOS) on a system and provide access via TCP/IP. The Weasel is probably the best known of these. |
| 06:44.57 | TwistedEmotions | God dammit! ate a mango... shit stuck in teeth all over... |
| 06:44.59 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 06:45.00 | Guerin | Hamled: flashy flashy |
| 06:45.05 | jm_ | Hamled: try using SBM or GRUB to boot from CD |
| 06:45.08 | Hamled | Guerin, no floppy drive :( |
| 06:45.14 | karsten | overnout: Otherwise, daisy-chained serial access across a rack is another common trick. |
| 06:45.19 | streuner | simonrvn: with this dude who 'rent' a girl for 4 weeks? |
| 06:45.28 | Guerin | Hamled: don't need one. you can burn a floppy iso to cd and boot it equally well./ |
| 06:45.29 | karsten | overnout: a => b => c => d => ... => z => a |
| 06:45.33 | overnout | yes |
| 06:45.43 | karsten | overnout: ...so you can chain from any one box to any other, through some number of hops. |
| 06:45.46 | simonrvn | no, haven't seen it, was thinking of another movie |
| 06:45.48 | Hamled | Guerin, I tried doing that, although I must have done it wrong |
| 06:46.11 | karsten | overnout: ...the trick is remembering to link the top and bottom of the rack. |
| 06:46.24 | overnout | hmmm |
| 06:46.39 | Guerin | Hamled: i did it, ages ago. Basically just have to grab a working floppy image and burn it to cd as an image |
| 06:46.42 | Hamled | trying to get nero to use the boot image from the floppy image created a disk that wasn't bootable, and then using the nero-supplied boot image, booted into DR-DOS, and I could run the Flash app, but it said it couldn't allocate memory |
| 06:46.52 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:46.53 | streuner | simonrvn: http://imdb.com/title/tt0092718/ |
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| 06:47.03 | Guerin | you did it right; seems there's another problem then |
| 06:47.09 | Hamled | I was hoping that there was an app that would be more directly designed for that |
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| 06:47.11 | Guerin | Hamled: what os is on there now? |
| 06:47.14 | Hamled | xp |
| 06:47.21 | Hamled | that crashes almost constantly |
| 06:47.22 | interalia | does anyone know of a good archive-style program that handles hard links? |
| 06:47.26 | simonrvn | oh damn, i have to open a browser... |
| 06:47.30 | interalia | doesn't seem like tar does, from what I read of the manpage |
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| 06:47.36 | karsten | overnout: http://www.realweasel.com/ |
| 06:47.36 | overnout | overnout: there must be quite long serial cable lines isnt it ? |
| 06:47.50 | Guerin | Hamled: bad deal. well, there are distros out there which don't use isolinux - maybe woody, definitely some others. |
| 06:47.51 | streuner | simonrvn: that would be helpful :-P |
| 06:47.58 | overnout | karsten: there must be quite long serial cable lines isnt it ? |
| 06:48.10 | overnout | karsten: wont that be a problem ? |
| 06:48.16 | Hamled | hmm, I'll try it with woody |
| 06:48.19 | Guerin | Hamled: once you have any lunix-based thing installed you can debootstrap. |
| 06:48.38 | Hamled | yeah |
| 06:48.41 | Guerin | interalia: rsnapshot |
| 06:48.42 | karsten | overnout: Serial can run IIRC up to 15m. Or is it 50? |
| 06:48.51 | Hamled | thanks |
| 06:48.53 | karsten | overnout: ... pretty long. More than you need to cross a 6' rack. |
| 06:48.54 | Hamled | I'll try it with woody |
| 06:49.05 | Guerin | interalia: just a wrapper script or three around rsync |
| 06:49.05 | simonrvn | streuner: =) |
| 06:49.13 | jm_ | yeah ignore me, don't try SBM |
| 06:49.29 | interalia | Guerin: thanks. the thing is, rsync uses a very large amount of memory when you try to sync large file trees. |
| 06:49.33 | Hamled | jm_, SBM? |
| 06:49.36 | Guerin | interalia: it does. |
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| 06:49.42 | jm_ | Hamled: yes, SBM, apt-cache show sbm |
| 06:49.48 | sphere | Hamled: are you sure the problem is xp and not your hardware? do some checking before you trash the machine eh |
| 06:49.52 | Guerin | interalia: there's probably a way to throttle it. |
| 06:50.05 | karsten | overnout: The problem with the weasel is the cost, and it hasn't moved much in 4-5 years: ~$250 - $350 per board. |
| 06:50.16 | Hamled | sphere, well, I'm sure the fact that it's far too old to be running XP is certainly a good portion of it |
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| 06:50.32 | Hamled | but there's nothing of importance on it |
| 06:50.34 | Guerin | sphere: xp is beyond saving. |
| 06:50.59 | simonrvn | i see it as a *good* thing that it can't run xp ;) |
| 06:51.04 | Hamled | and apparently (it hasn't been in my possesion for long), after XP was put on it, the problems started |
| 06:51.10 | interalia | Guerin: to explain the context.. I have backups on disk using ~170G and I'm trying to copy them onto a removable firewire drive for offsite backups |
| 06:51.20 | Guerin | interalia: yeee! |
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| 06:51.51 | Guerin | interalia: cp can't handle hardlinks? I think it can... |
| 06:51.56 | Hamled | the previous guy had brought it to some people to get it checked out, after XP was originally put on it by some guy in Honduras (???), anyways, they said there was a cracked hard disk, which... well I've never heard of that happening, so they got a new hdd, and reinstalled XP, and it still had all the problems |
| 06:52.08 | Guerin | it'll surely be easier on ram than rsync, though probably slower |
| 06:52.13 | Hamled | it apparently worked nicely with 2k |
| 06:52.19 | Hamled | but I have none of those disks around |
| 06:52.20 | interalia | Guerin: hehe yeah it can, but when we use that it ends up using a lot of memory too :( |
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| 06:52.55 | Guerin | well, a 170G tree is pretty huge. |
| 06:52.58 | interalia | I think having it preserve hard links forces it to maintain a table in memory, and these are pretty large filesystems (ie. millions of files) |
| 06:53.07 | overnout | karsten: brrr |
| 06:53.19 | Guerin | interalia: i haven't really got a suggestion, then, other than 'deal'. |
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| 06:58.52 | TwistedEmotions | there are hella pople in there |
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| 06:59.07 | Guerin | wheee, massive thunder and lightning |
| 06:59.31 | TwistedEmotions | damn... where are the shady people hiding in irc...? |
| 06:59.40 | TwistedEmotions | except for #windows |
| 06:59.44 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: efnet |
| 07:00.05 | TwistedEmotions | Ahhhhh.. |
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| 07:00.10 | TwistedEmotions | smart basterds |
| 07:00.14 | EvanCarroll | how does cp work, if i run cp -R /dir1/* /backup/dir1/ will it only overwrite existing files in /backup/dir1, or will it overwrite folders? |
| 07:00.23 | Guerin | EvanCarroll: man cp |
| 07:00.50 | overnout | karsten: another thing i thought could be to set a sulogin timeout as i see now |
| 07:00.50 | simonrvn | depends on a) your definition of 'shady' b) 'smart' |
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| 07:01.05 | overnout | karsten: but the ssh thing is very nice i think |
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| 07:02.46 | mithro | what are the security sources for sarge? |
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| 07:03.32 | simonrvn | s/woody/sarge/ |
| 07:03.39 | supaman | mithro: /msg dpkg security |
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| 07:04.02 | csmith | I need help. Anyone around? |
| 07:04.08 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:04.14 | supaman | depends |
| 07:04.46 | simonrvn | no one here but us chickens |
| 07:04.54 | csmith | I'm trying to install Debian. During the installation of the base system it can't find "coreutils." Is it the disk, or can it be fixed? |
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| 07:05.55 | ahewitt | csmith: I ahd the same problem a while ago, and it occured whether I used the cd or the internet to install, but after reinstalling about 6-7 times it finally worked |
| 07:06.00 | ruemohr | I swear that debian changes faster than it takes my machine to do an update |
| 07:06.04 | Guerin | csmith: could be disk, could be drive. check the md5 of the disk against what it should be |
| 07:06.37 | ruemohr | Guerin: how do you check a files checksum? |
| 07:06.46 | Guerin | ruemohr: man md5sum |
| 07:06.46 | csmith | Guerin: What? It's a burned CD. From a disc image. I don't know what that means. |
| 07:06.50 | mithro | "deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main" seems to return File not found? |
| 07:07.06 | Guerin | csmith: do you have a working unix box as it is? |
| 07:07.11 | csmith | no |
| 07:07.28 | ruemohr | Guerin: where do you get the "official" sum from? |
| 07:07.41 | ruemohr | Guerin: for "any given" debian file" |
| 07:07.41 | csmith | I'm going from Windows XP to Debian. Or attempting, as it were. |
| 07:07.51 | Guerin | ruemohr: from the site from which you downloaded it, perhaps? |
| 07:07.55 | Guerin | ruemohr: just a thought... |
| 07:08.04 | mithro | any ideas what i've done wrong? |
| 07:08.19 | Guerin | ruemohr: i'm not talking about any given file, i'm talking about the cd image |
| 07:08.29 | ruemohr | Guerin: there are checksums in deb's? |
| 07:08.45 | Guerin | ruemohr: debsums. |
| 07:08.48 | ruemohr | Guerin: ah, I'm talking about finding out something like libfoo being corrupt |
| 07:08.49 | Guerin | csmith: ok |
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| 07:09.20 | supaman | mithro: http://www.debian.org/security/faq.en.html#testing |
| 07:09.25 | Guerin | csmith: boot as far as you can into d-i, drop to a shell with alt+f2, and type 'mount' |
| 07:09.35 | Guerin | csmith: can you do this while you're on irc? |
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| 07:12.15 | simonrvn | ~wb |
| 07:12.16 | apt | thx |
| 07:12.27 | simonrvn | er |
| 07:12.30 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 07:12.34 | csmith | Ok: it didn't work. |
| 07:12.54 | mithro | testing == sarge right? and sarge has security, so this means that testing does have security despite what that FAQ says |
| 07:13.04 | sphere | is it possible to override the fs attributes when mounting a cd/dvd as root? |
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| 07:13.19 | simonrvn | mithro: long story... sarge is about to release |
| 07:13.34 | simonrvn | sphere: man mount |
| 07:13.49 | csmith | Guerin: main folder is open, now what? |
| 07:13.53 | sphere | yeah I know it thanks |
| 07:13.58 | sphere | I just can't find it |
| 07:14.05 | mithro | personally i don't understand the debian release cycle |
| 07:14.10 | simonrvn | '-o' |
| 07:14.10 | sphere | or doing it wrong |
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| 07:14.47 | streuner | mithro: none RC-bugs=debian release |
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| 07:15.03 | nomed^ | simonrvn, /umode +E .. then .. |
| 07:15.17 | Ry12 | is there a place to find out what domain names arent already owned by hosting companies? |
| 07:15.25 | simonrvn | nomed^: and tell the ops about it |
| 07:15.32 | streuner | Ry12: joker.com |
| 07:15.49 | streuner | Ry12: it has a webinterface to search for |
| 07:15.51 | csmith | Guerin: Still there? |
| 07:15.58 | mithro | debian is the only Linux that has working proper upgrades, why does it even need a release cycle? |
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| 07:16.42 | nuts | anyone knows of some app that is a bit more sophisticated than planner ? for planing projects ... ( http://download.freshmeat.net/screenshots/13456.png ) |
| 07:17.15 | mithro | nuts: there is a java one |
| 07:17.20 | mithro | i can't remeber it's name however |
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| 07:18.06 | nuts | :( |
| 07:18.49 | nomed^ | is there any difference on /dev/null permission using udev or devfs? |
| 07:19.25 | simonrvn | if there is, it's a bug |
| 07:19.49 | nomed^ | with deboostrap since i use udev i receive /dev/null Permission denied |
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| 07:20.09 | mithro | nomed^: your filesystem is mounted with nodev |
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| 07:20.29 | mithro | i ran into that problem myself, you are using debootstrap with knoppix? |
| 07:20.46 | nomed^ | with debian |
| 07:21.09 | mithro | nomed^: do a mount and check that where you are trying to install doesn't have the nodev option |
| 07:21.51 | nomed^ | i think i should mount my root partition in the chroot env .. |
| 07:22.30 | nomed^ | and untill debootstrap process is not over i can't chroot into |
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| 07:23.05 | mo1991 | can someone here help me with loadlin??? |
| 07:23.42 | mo1991 | When I boot with loadlin I get all the way to the x startup and then it crashes to the the command prompt and says no screens found |
| 07:23.47 | nomed^ | mithro, ho can i check that? |
| 07:23.55 | mo1991 | x starts fine when I'm loading with lilo |
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| 07:25.07 | jm_ | mo1991: so compare X logfile for both |
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| 07:25.39 | nomed^ | i'll use remount -o dev ... but i use default to mount that partition |
| 07:25.45 | SlayerXP | !ops FreeSTyLe is an onjoin porn spammer |
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| 07:25.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: FreeSTyLe is an onjoin porn spammer |
| 07:26.20 | ghure | hi all, I have a problem with my fonts in debian, which are the deb packets that I must install? |
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| 07:26.28 | Guerin | fucking power outage |
| 07:26.36 | cat | LoL |
| 07:27.00 | Guerin | i'm in a fucking server room with two cabs full of blades and routers and shit here, and when the power cut out, they ALL died instantly. |
| 07:27.06 | Guerin | every last one |
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| 07:27.19 | sphere | nice provider |
| 07:27.19 | SlayerXP | Guerin: some kind of UPS system might be in order. |
| 07:27.21 | Guerin | ghure: depends on the problem |
| 07:27.48 | Guerin | SlayerXP: the stupid thing is that i have a fucking ups under my desk... currently holding a stack of papers off the ground |
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| 07:27.56 | sphere | cackle |
| 07:28.19 | ghure | the fonts are "aliased", do you understand what I mean? |
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| 07:28.31 | ding | what channel should I join to talk to people about traffic control? |
| 07:28.40 | Guerin | ghure: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
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| 07:28.42 | ghure | Maybe there is a deb packet....ù |
| 07:28.46 | SlayerXP | ding: #atc |
| 07:29.09 | ding | SlayerXP: on what server? nobody seems to be there in freenode |
| 07:29.12 | ghure | Guerin, Thanks, i will try soon |
| 07:29.23 | SlayerXP | ding: oh sorry, I thought you mean Air Traffic Control |
| 07:29.32 | SlayerXP | road traffic control? |
| 07:29.51 | ding | linux traffic control, as in, iproute2, "tc" |
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| 07:30.03 | jm_ | ding: did you read advanced routing howto? |
| 07:30.11 | deadcat | shaper? |
| 07:30.11 | SlayerXP | ding: you mean network traffic control? |
| 07:30.11 | ding | jm_: I did |
| 07:30.11 | mithro | ding: tc is a horrible tool and the bain of everyone who uses it :P |
| 07:30.23 | jm_ | ding: they also mention the IRC channel on their home page |
| 07:30.30 | ding | mithro: I agree, which I why I want to talk to someone about tcng,I have some questions :) |
| 07:30.41 | ding | jm_: yeah, there are ~8 people there, nobody talking |
| 07:30.47 | jm_ | ding: tough luck |
| 07:30.49 | SlayerXP | jm_: just a few weeks til I head off to .no |
| 07:30.55 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 07:30.55 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 07:30.56 | kristian | how do u duplicate a mysql database in a primary server into other mysql server |
| 07:30.56 | kristian | how do u duplicate a mysql database in a primary server into other mysql server? |
| 07:30.56 | ding | jm_: indeed = / |
| 07:30.57 | mithro | i've never used tcng, but i'm writing python bindings for iptables and tc |
| 07:31.07 | Guerin | kristian: i recommend 'cp' |
| 07:31.10 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: oh wow, so it's working out. cool |
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| 07:31.18 | SlayerXP | kristian: /part #debian; /join #mysql |
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| 07:31.22 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: yes, at long last. |
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| 07:31.34 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: good for you |
| 07:31.35 | jm_ | SlayerXP: is the house done then? |
| 07:31.44 | SlayerXP | jm_: which house? and "done" how? |
| 07:32.10 | SlayerXP | jm_: the house here is all but sold, we've bought the one over in .no |
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| 07:32.17 | jm_ | SlayerXP: the one in Norway you have shown me the pics of - and "done" as in finished, I think you had to do some minor repairs |
| 07:32.25 | SlayerXP | jm_: not even started yet |
| 07:33.10 | ding | Guerin: I simply asked for a possibility of the suggestion of a channel I havn't found/tried. I would not unneccesarily bother the people in this channel if it were not with reason. Furthermore, there is nothing I hate more than mindless macros in IRC channels. If you had read anything that I had said, you would understand that I am not here on the intention of "bothering you." And I, as any being with a heartbeat, have tried google. |
| 07:33.11 | SlayerXP | jm_: we have a slightly different plan now, though |
| 07:33.39 | mithro | how does one correctly manipulate /etc/rc.* |
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| 07:34.29 | jm_ | SlayerXP: are you going to buy a different house? |
| 07:34.32 | SlayerXP | mithro: there is a specific tool, who's name I don't recall |
| 07:34.34 | Sunblade | with update-rc.d ? |
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| 07:35.05 | SlayerXP | jm_: the house is liveable, we've just swapped to a three year plan. |
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| 07:35.23 | jm_ | SlayerXP: ohh |
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| 07:35.40 | SlayerXP | jm_: we'll bring the house up to a reasonable standard and then sell it in three years time. we should be able to double the value of it |
| 07:35.47 | kneet | exim4 - virtual host file - I have user : otheruser@otherhost - which works fine - but - can you send mail to user@virtual -> otheruser@otherhost && otheruser2@otherhost2 using this mechanism? On the old sendmail box we had a local user with a procmail setup to get around this. |
| 07:35.48 | nomed^ | mithro, sysv-rc-conf ... or ls -l /etc/rc* |
| 07:35.55 | mo1991 | jm_ how do I compare the logfile's for both x startups - ie where is this log |
| 07:35.56 | nomed^ | i think .. |
| 07:35.57 | mo1991 | ? |
| 07:35.58 | bob2 | mithro: it's fine to use rm and ln -s in there directly |
| 07:36.05 | bob2 | mithro: update-rc.d controls some stuff |
| 07:36.07 | jm_ | mo1991: /msg dpkg X logfile |
| 07:36.10 | jm_ | SlayerXP: good idea |
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| 07:36.39 | mo1991 | jm_ when I start via loadlin - it says no screens are available. Actually it says that there are some but none configured correctly |
| 07:36.53 | mo1991 | works fine with lilo though - do I need to pass an option via loadlin? |
| 07:36.58 | tarzeau | is it possible p3 kernels run on Pentium II (Deschutes)? |
| 07:37.04 | jm_ | mo1991: yeah, check the logs, and /msg dpkg noscreensfound |
| 07:37.06 | bob2 | ding: #lartc on irc.oftc.net is where all the lartc people hang out |
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| 07:37.46 | smurf_ | need a bit of help |
| 07:37.51 | Salas | try asking? |
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| 07:38.20 | smurf_ | in a few channels... |
| 07:38.21 | mo1991 | jm_ I must not have logging installed |
| 07:38.26 | mo1991 | I get a no file or directory |
| 07:38.32 | jm_ | mo1991: for which file? |
| 07:38.33 | SlayerXP | !tell smurf_ about enter |
| 07:38.37 | tarzeau | is it possible p3 kernels run on AMD Athlons? |
| 07:38.49 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: yes |
| 07:39.05 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: thanks also p3 on p2? |
| 07:39.16 | bob2 | p3 had sse, which p2 didn't |
| 07:39.20 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: pass. the p3 has a bunch of extra registers. |
| 07:39.29 | bob2 | I'm not sure if the kernel uses it uncoditionally on p3 |
| 07:39.34 | mo1991 | jm_ /msg dpkg X logfile |
| 07:39.37 | bob2 | tarzeau: why not use a i386 kernel? |
| 07:39.39 | smurf_ | SlayerXP: wasent useing enter that way. |
| 07:39.54 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: strange i have two machines that according to /proc/cpuinfo report pentium ii (deschutes) but are compiled for p3 and run fine (smp) |
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| 07:40.08 | tarzeau | bob2: because we use them as number crunchers |
| 07:40.10 | mo1991 | jm_ is the /msg part of the command? |
| 07:40.11 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: hence I "pass" :) |
| 07:40.28 | bob2 | tarzeau: then you won't be hitting the kernel very much at all, anyway :-) |
| 07:40.30 | tarzeau | bob2: and this is one of the rare cases where it makes sense to compile optimized kernels (150 machines here) |
| 07:40.43 | jm_ | mo1991: well check /var/log/XFree86.* - it might be called .1.log or whatever, or it might be called something else if you're using X.org server, which is not supported in Debian yet |
| 07:40.47 | KerPlunk | Will etch have some kind of automatic updates option when you install? |
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| 07:40.49 | KerPlunk | Like security updates. |
| 07:40.57 | tarzeau | bob2: they also run x and are generic workstations with 10 gb software |
| 07:41.06 | streuner | KerPlunk: it isn't out yet |
| 07:41.07 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: ah okay |
| 07:41.08 | KerPlunk | automatic meaning I don't have to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 07:41.21 | KerPlunk | streuner: That's whY I said "Will" |
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| 07:41.32 | KerPlunk | There is no outline being made.. |
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| 07:41.34 | KerPlunk | For changes etc. |
| 07:41.49 | bob2 | KerPlunk: er, why would you do that automatically? |
| 07:42.06 | streuner | KerPlunk: subscribe to ML (debian-boot, debian-devel) |
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| 07:42.35 | streuner | !info cron-apt |
| 07:42.37 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.0 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
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| 07:42.52 | streuner | which is dumb |
| 07:42.58 | streuner | IMHO |
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| 07:44.12 | jm_ | SlayerXP: how about the car, will you also take it with you? |
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| 07:44.31 | SlayerXP | jm_: the taxes for importing it to norway are _insane_ |
| 07:44.52 | SlayerXP | jm_: hence there's an ebay auction ending in two hours. |
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| 07:45.37 | freewoody | Hi, I still have a problem with Exim SMTP Server |
| 07:45.55 | jm_ | SlayerXP: that sucks, but I guess it also explains the high prices for cars there |
| 07:46.05 | SlayerXP | freewoody: please state your question clearly and concisely after the tone. |
| 07:46.08 | KerPlunk | cool, thanks streuner |
| 07:46.12 | SlayerXP | freewoody: *BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP* |
| 07:46.26 | bob2 | freewoody: we've been trying to help you for weeks now |
| 07:46.34 | SlayerXP | jm_: we'd have to pay 7500UKP to take it there |
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| 07:46.45 | freewoody | Well I can only send mails to my own domain and not to other domains like yahoo and hotmail |
| 07:46.52 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 07:47.12 | bob2 | so, do you know how to read logs yet? |
| 07:47.26 | SlayerXP | freewoody: you'll want to be reading the error log. |
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| 07:47.55 | freewoody | Well it says there is: no route to host |
| 07:47.58 | freewoody | 2005-06-01 13:32:20 1DdNwd-0004vq-FO mx3.mail.yahoo.com [64.156.215.18]: No route to host |
| 07:48.13 | bob2 | yes, we know |
| 07:48.17 | SlayerXP | freewoody: and, is there a route to that host? |
| 07:48.24 | jm_ | SlayerXP: that's probably not far away from its value I take it |
| 07:48.24 | freewoody | Do I need to create a MX record of some sort c? |
| 07:48.30 | bob2 | no |
| 07:48.34 | SlayerXP | jm_: the car was 11.5k |
| 07:48.35 | freewoody | Which host ? |
| 07:48.37 | bob2 | freewoody: do you know what a route is? |
| 07:48.42 | jm_ | SlayerXP: heh |
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| 07:48.47 | freewoody | No I am afraid I don't right now |
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| 07:49.07 | tunic | hi everybody |
| 07:49.11 | mo1991 | jm_ I see a vesa bios not detected in the log file? I am using the vesa driver for X. Is there some reason loadlin would not be able to use the vesa driver? |
| 07:49.24 | bob2 | freewoody: a route is a path between two internet hosts |
| 07:49.25 | freewoody | How what do I need to have this host on my machine ? |
| 07:49.29 | bob2 | freewoody: can you ping the ip it gave? |
| 07:49.30 | freewoody | I see |
| 07:49.49 | SlayerXP | jm_: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4552501593 |
| 07:49.56 | SlayerXP | jm_: feel free to bump up the price a little |
| 07:49.57 | jm_ | mo1991: is it configured to use FB? |
| 07:50.15 | freewoody | Yes I can ping some of them |
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| 07:50.32 | mo1991 | jm_ i believe that x is configured to use FB |
| 07:50.33 | bob2 | freewoody: "some of them"? |
| 07:50.40 | bob2 | freewoody: can you ping the ip it gave or not? |
| 07:50.52 | jm_ | mo1991: right, and did you enable it in kernel for both lilo and loadlin? |
| 07:50.58 | freewoody | Well there are about 10 IPs that the Exim log gives me |
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| 07:51.25 | jm_ | mo1991: and do both use the same kernel at all? |
| 07:51.25 | bob2 | freewoody: so, you pasted a single one to us |
| 07:51.28 | bob2 | freewoody: let's work on that |
| 07:51.31 | mo1991 | well, loadlin loads the same kernel as lilo does. I |
| 07:51.31 | bob2 | freewoody: can you ping it or not? |
| 07:51.45 | jm_ | mo1991: so compare /proc/cmdline for both |
| 07:52.04 | mo1991 | jm_ loadlin and lilo use the same kernel - I just use loadlin so I can boot from dos into windows |
| 07:52.23 | mo1991 | jm_loadlin is a dos program loadlin.exe |
| 07:52.41 | freewoody | Well I can't ping the first one but I can ping all the others |
| 07:52.58 | freewoody | I can't ping 64.156.215.18 |
| 07:53.06 | jm_ | mo1991: I know what it is |
| 07:53.11 | mo1991 | sorry |
| 07:53.22 | mo1991 | not sure what the /proc/cmdline is? |
| 07:53.24 | freewoody | But I can ping 64.156.215.5 |
| 07:53.43 | bob2 | freewoody: show us a line with an ip you can ping then |
| 07:53.58 | jm_ | freewoody: try tcptraceroute 64.156.215.18 25 |
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| 07:54.23 | freewoody | 64 bytes from 64.156.215.5: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=1016 ms |
| 07:54.25 | mo1991 | jm_ I get permission denied when running /proc/cmdline when booted from loadlin |
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| 07:54.37 | jm_ | mo1991: "cat /proc/cmdline" |
| 07:54.48 | xenxis | lastlog |
| 07:54.59 | freewoody | Can you guys ping 64.156.215.18 ? |
| 07:55.05 | streuner | forget loadlin to boot with newer kernels... |
| 07:55.13 | jm_ | freewoody: no |
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| 07:55.23 | freewoody | Well neither can I |
| 07:55.37 | jm_ | that explains why it doesn't work then I suppose |
| 07:56.01 | freewoody | I am also getting this on the second line of my Exim log |
| 07:56.04 | freewoody | 2005-06-01 13:32:23 1DdNwd-0004vq-FO mx3.mail.yahoo.com [4.79.181.12]: No route to host |
| 07:56.29 | jm_ | freewoody: mx3.mail.yahoo.com has several IP-s configured, it's obviously trying more than one |
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| 07:56.58 | freewoody | Well I am getting about 15 IPs |
| 07:57.08 | jm_ | 15? it only shows 4 to me |
| 07:57.09 | Guerin_ | grrr, if $EDITOR="xemacs -nw", why does sudo visudo open the file in an xemacs x window? |
| 07:57.15 | freewoody | In the 2nd last log I get: |
| 07:57.19 | freewoody | 2005-06-01 13:34:44 1DdNwd-0004vq-FO == woodywarty@yahoo.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (113): No route to host |
| 07:57.24 | Guerin_ | does visudo not honour $EDITOR? |
| 07:57.45 | freewoody | On the last line I see this: 2005-06-01 13:34:44 1DdNwd-0004vq-FO ** woodywarty@yahoo.com: retry timeout exceeded |
| 07:57.52 | jm_ | Guerin_: maybe it uses VISUAL first? |
| 07:58.13 | jm_ | freewoody: well I'd say the issue is not with you, but with yahoo |
| 07:58.23 | Guerin_ | jm_: undefined |
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| 07:58.35 | jm_ | Guerin_: alternatively, perhaps it's not set to xemacs -nw when you run sudo |
| 07:58.36 | mo1991 | dm_ proc/cmdlines look different lilo uses boot=linux root = 302 |
| 07:58.43 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:58.43 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 07:58.45 | ilba7r | hi any one know of good pdf editor. Or at least a method to improve the fonts of kghostview |
| 07:58.57 | mo1991 | in loadlin i just use root= /dev/hda2 |
| 07:59.12 | tarzeau | ilba7r: i know ViewPDF.app another pdf viewer |
| 07:59.28 | Guerin_ | jm_: oh, it is. No matter, i found a good explanation in 'man visudo' :) |
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| 07:59.44 | freewoody | Well I am getting the same Errors logs when I try to send mails to Hotmail |
| 07:59.47 | freewoody | 2005-06-01 13:44:06 1DdO7g-0004zl-JO mx1.hotmail.com [65.54.252.99]: No route to host |
| 07:59.51 | jm_ | mo1991: that's the same |
| 07:59.53 | ilba7r | thanx tarzequ will try to look into it |
| 07:59.53 | jm_ | Guerin_: ahh indeed |
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| 08:00.33 | bob2 | freewoody: not that yahoo and hotmail block people with residential ips |
| 08:00.41 | bob2 | freewoody: which /24 is yours? |
| 08:00.54 | freewoody | You mean my IP for my domain |
| 08:00.58 | bob2 | no |
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| 08:01.05 | freewoody | Then ? |
| 08:01.06 | bob2 | I mean, last time you were here, you told us you had a /24 |
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| 08:01.11 | bob2 | which /24 is it? |
| 08:01.20 | freewoody | 202.79.52.0 |
| 08:01.46 | mo1991 | jm_ I also have a pci=irqmask=0x3fff in the lilo but not in loadlin? How do I pass this to loadlin |
| 08:01.51 | bob2 | ok, it's not in any simple rbls |
| 08:01.56 | smurf_ | runnig slackware and the install didnt detect my cdburning drive but it got my dvd player. i need both can someone help |
| 08:02.02 | Guerin_ | freewoody: give your /24 to someone with the skills to actually use it |
| 08:02.04 | bob2 | and not in the .np netspace, oddly |
| 08:02.09 | freewoody | Well what's the meaning of that ? |
| 08:02.25 | freewoody | Well I will use it in the coming months ahead. thanks for your tips |
| 08:02.27 | jm_ | mo1991: just append it after root=/dev/hda2 |
| 08:02.43 | bob2 | freewoody: email postmaster@yahoo.com or whatever |
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| 08:02.52 | jm_ | he can't email them ;) |
| 08:02.52 | freewoody | Well I got this far in Linux in 3 months |
| 08:03.01 | bob2 | and find out why they are null-routing you |
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| 08:03.36 | jm_ | mo1991: you can also paste X logfiles from both occasions on the paste site (/msg dpkg paste) and someone can take a look |
| 08:03.53 | mo1991 | jm_ use the append="pci=irqmask=0x3fff" ???? |
| 08:03.53 | freewoody | bob2, what could be my problem, can you tell me in plain steps what I need to do get my whole network to start using my IP Address as their SMTP Server ? |
| 08:03.54 | bob2 | note that I can't get to 65.54.252.99 , either |
| 08:04.08 | jm_ | yeah me neither |
| 08:04.24 | bob2 | freewoody: that looked like 2 questions |
| 08:04.30 | jm_ | mo1991: no, that's for lilo |
| 08:04.34 | bob2 | the problem is that some of their MX's seem to be unroutable |
| 08:04.38 | bob2 | which is retarded of them |
| 08:04.44 | jm_ | quite |
| 08:04.52 | freewoody | Well the computer I am using has Debian and Exim installed |
| 08:05.05 | freewoody | I want all my clients to use this machine as their SMTP Server |
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| 08:05.06 | Guerin_ | ok, next question... how to set /etc/alternatives/editor to point to "/usr/bin/xemacs -nw" instead of /usr/bin/xemacs |
| 08:05.18 | jm_ | Guerin_: you can't |
| 08:05.24 | Guerin_ | grr |
| 08:05.30 | KerPlunk | What is the security line for sources.list on unstable? |
| 08:05.30 | jm_ | Guerin_: make it a shell script, and call that |
| 08:05.31 | bob2 | Guerin_: point it at a shell script, I guess |
| 08:05.39 | Guerin_ | yeah, that was my next plan |
| 08:05.44 | bob2 | freewoody: you need to configure each machine to use it |
| 08:05.48 | Guerin_ | i already have one for the purpose, happily |
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| 08:05.58 | KerPlunk | deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main |
| 08:06.03 | KerPlunk | That doesn't work. |
| 08:06.22 | bob2 | petemc: have you heard the streets song "The Irony Of It All"? |
| 08:06.28 | jm_ | unstable gets security fixes via normal uploads, not via security.debian.org |
| 08:06.36 | bob2 | KerPlunk: indeed, unstable doesn't get security updates via security.debian.org |
| 08:06.37 | freewoody | Well can I just tell my clients to put the IP Address of my machine in the SMTP Server ? |
| 08:06.41 | jm_ | KerPlunk: /msg dpkg security |
| 08:06.53 | bob2 | freewoody: yes, if you've configured the smtp server to relay mail for them |
| 08:07.16 | freewoody | Well how do I get my machine to relay mail for my clients ? |
| 08:07.23 | KerPlunk | thanks |
| 08:07.26 | KerPlunk | What is non-us security? |
| 08:07.34 | jm_ | freewoody: configure your MTA properly, exim-config specifically asks you about it |
| 08:07.42 | streuner | KerPlunk: outdated. |
| 08:07.48 | jm_ | eximconfig even |
| 08:07.56 | freewoody | Well can somebody guide me through the steps ? |
| 08:07.59 | bob2 | KerPlunk: non-us is dead, more or less |
| 08:08.05 | streuner | KerPlunk: non-us was in woody |
| 08:08.19 | bob2 | freewoody: I don't mean to be rude, but if this is a serious mail system that people expect to be able to use, you need to hire someone to help |
| 08:08.23 | bob2 | or buy a book or something |
| 08:08.26 | KerPlunk | What was it? |
| 08:08.26 | streuner | for sarge you dont need it anymore |
| 08:08.31 | streuner | !non-us |
| 08:08.31 | dpkg | well, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 08:08.40 | KerPlunk | ahh, cool |
| 08:08.40 | bob2 | freewoody: a misconfigured mail system is a hazard to it's users and the rest of the internet |
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| 08:08.41 | freewoody | Well I got your guys to help me out |
| 08:08.42 | KerPlunk | damn, it's dead |
| 08:08.52 | KerPlunk | WOuld like mplayer be in there? |
| 08:08.53 | freewoody | Well I can deal with that later |
| 08:08.54 | KerPlunk | And transcode |
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| 08:09.09 | KerPlunk | The stuff with shitty licensing would be in there? |
| 08:09.15 | KerPlunk | Or border-line illegal? |
| 08:09.19 | KerPlunk | Like css stuff |
| 08:09.21 | bob2 | KerPlunk: stuff in non-free/main had to be Free Software |
| 08:09.32 | bob2 | KerPlunk: er, css stuff is illegal in most of the West |
| 08:09.36 | bob2 | not just the US |
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| 08:09.50 | bob2 | freewoody: IRC is not a suitable replacement for a sysadmin |
| 08:10.13 | freewoody | bob2, is is correct in my update-exim4.conf.conf ? |
| 08:10.22 | freewoody | dc_relay_nets='127.0.0.1/8 : 202.79.52.0/24 |
| 08:10.24 | jm_ | KerPlunk: Marillat's repository has all that, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 08:10.44 | KerPlunk | yea, I know. |
| 08:10.56 | KerPlunk | But I get a warm feeling inside when I use debian.org |
| 08:11.42 | KerPlunk | k, I've been using sarge for about 6 months... |
| 08:11.46 | KerPlunk | I'm upgrading to sid... |
| 08:11.48 | KerPlunk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/N0IYdb34.html |
| 08:12.02 | nomed^ | well you can compile the stuff you could find in marillant |
| 08:12.05 | KerPlunk | Can someone double check my sources.list |
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| 08:13.34 | KerPlunk | Does that look in order jm_? |
| 08:15.01 | KerPlunk | I mean I think it's fine...I checked all the sites...but I want to double check with someone else. |
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| 08:15.03 | ilba7r | thanx tarzeau i downloaded it and will be using it thax every one bye |
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| 08:16.03 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:16.17 | jm_ | KerPlunk: why do you have stable entries there? |
| 08:16.21 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:16.21 | dpkg | i guess qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 08:16.41 | KerPlunk | jm_: That is just for one program. |
| 08:17.03 | gypsymauro | I'm trying to use xsane with a scsi scanner, it's correctly mapped on /dev/sg0 with root as user/group so xsane works as root, but not as user, how I can make the device to be build with group scanner? |
| 08:17.04 | KerPlunk | That is whether the program is stable or cvs |
| 08:17.09 | KerPlunk | Ignore the last line. |
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| 08:17.17 | KerPlunk | last two lines rather |
| 08:17.49 | KerPlunk | But besides that it looks ok? |
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| 08:18.47 | Shadur | I'm using apache on sarge, and for some reason php's responding fine in the main, but when I'm trying to use it inside a vhost, it tries to send me the script rather than parse it... |
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| 08:19.35 | Guerin_ | Shadur: does the is the vhost inside the apache root dir? |
| 08:19.43 | Guerin_ | s/does the// |
| 08:19.44 | Shadur | Guerin_: Yes. |
| 08:20.13 | wobbler | mo1991 i think in loadlin you need root=/dev/hda2 not root= /dev/hda2 |
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| 08:21.01 | mo1991 | wobbler I do have it like that |
| 08:21.04 | mo1991 | it's weird |
| 08:21.08 | wobbler | ok |
| 08:21.09 | mo1991 | lilo boots up x just fine |
| 08:21.12 | bob2 | freewoody: if you used the config thing that came when you installed it, your config should be ok |
| 08:21.25 | mo1991 | loadlin says no screens available |
| 08:21.36 | jethro | mo1991: that's X saying this, not loadlin |
| 08:21.37 | mo1991 | not sure why but loadlin seems to hve a problem with vesa |
| 08:21.52 | mo1991 | jetbro - true - but works fine with lilo booting it |
| 08:21.55 | wobbler | mo1991 what windows os do you have |
| 08:22.00 | mo1991 | no windows os |
| 08:22.02 | KerPlunk | k, I'm upgrading to SID!!! Woo hooo |
| 08:22.04 | KerPlunk | Wish me luck. |
| 08:22.04 | mo1991 | just dos |
| 08:22.04 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 08:22.11 | wobbler | ok |
| 08:22.11 | SlayerXP | !bless kerplunk |
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| 08:22.12 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child kerplunk, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 08:22.23 | jethro | hah |
| 08:22.56 | wobbler | mo1991 that is strange then |
| 08:22.58 | Shadur | Guerin_: Never mind, looks like something decidedly kooky with the permissions. |
| 08:23.03 | KerPlunk | 175 packages upgrades |
| 08:23.16 | KerPlunk | 22 newly installed |
| 08:23.20 | jethro | KerPlunk: we don't care, really |
| 08:23.26 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 08:23.30 | KerPlunk | I'm so pumped |
| 08:23.32 | mo1991 | wobbler - yup. some type of problem with loadlin |
| 08:23.46 | jethro | KerPlunk: remember to /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 08:24.55 | Guerin_ | Shadur: yeah, sounded like an Options " " mismatch to me |
| 08:26.07 | bob2 | freewoody: stop being such a fucking moron |
| 08:26.12 | bob2 | freewoody: I answered you already |
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| 08:26.49 | freewoody | bob2, well I think that you also don't seem fit |
| 08:27.19 | deadcat | whats the deal with xorg in debian? do they start working on xorg when sarge releases or they will release xorg after sarge is out? whatup? |
| 08:27.29 | bob2 | freewoody: I don't even understand you |
| 08:27.37 | bob2 | freewoody: I answered your DEBIAN question here |
| 08:27.42 | bob2 | and you continued to pester me in #ubuntu |
| 08:27.50 | Guerin_ | deadcat: it's already very heavily worked on. Some of the Debian X strikeforce are x devs for ubuntu |
| 08:28.06 | deadcat | Guerin_: ah. |
| 08:28.31 | bob2 | 18:21:14 bob2 | freewoody: if you used the config thing that came when you installed it, your config should be ok |
| 08:28.38 | nomed^ | deadcat, it seems after summer .. |
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| 08:28.59 | deadcat | nomed^: after summer? damn. thats like 4 more months |
| 08:29.10 | nomed^ | i know .. :( |
| 08:29.12 | Guerin_ | no, he means NEXT summer |
| 08:29.18 | deadcat | nooooooo |
| 08:29.34 | deadcat | fuck it i am switching to windows |
| 08:29.42 | nomed^ | gh |
| 08:29.52 | bob2 | it seems fairly ready to go |
| 08:29.54 | Guerin | deadcat: can I have your ibook? |
| 08:30.05 | DotHack | hehe |
| 08:30.07 | deadcat | Guerin: hahah. let me think about that. (= |
| 08:30.16 | deadcat | bob2: in experimental? |
| 08:30.17 | Guerin | deadcat: you can take the stupid decal off it |
| 08:30.23 | deadcat | hahah |
| 08:30.33 | deadcat | Guerin: it comes as is. |
| 08:30.33 | bob2 | deadcat: it won't go there until after sarge, afaik |
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| 08:30.54 | Guerin | then I want you to send me $5 with it for decal-removal |
| 08:31.06 | deadcat | bob2: so thats like 6 days... right? (= really need vga out for presentations |
| 08:31.33 | Guerin | deadcat: get a vga -> rf adaptor box |
| 08:31.36 | bob2 | hehe |
| 08:31.40 | Guerin | $50 will get you one |
| 08:31.55 | deadcat | Guerin: i am hella broke man. |
| 08:32.16 | Guerin | presentations ... beer ... presentations ... beer |
| 08:32.20 | Guerin | such a decision |
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| 08:32.48 | deadcat | bob2: can you switch to console when using xorg? i tried it on the ibook last time and it wont switch. although i had it was dual output with the vga |
| 08:32.58 | bob2 | I could |
| 08:33.01 | DotHack | who know some ssoftware package like scala? |
| 08:33.01 | bob2 | it didn't work for a bit, tho |
| 08:33.04 | bob2 | but someone fixed it |
| 08:33.05 | simonrvn | deadcat: does here (tm) |
| 08:33.10 | bob2 | DotHack: which does... |
| 08:33.19 | bob2 | I officially sold my ibook to my sister, tho, on the weekend |
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| 08:33.55 | simonrvn | aah, the joys of experimental... |
| 08:33.56 | deadcat | simonrvn: cool |
| 08:33.57 | Guerin | !fuck alllofmp3.com |
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| 08:34.15 | deadcat | Guerin: why they dont give you mp3s? |
| 08:34.49 | _joey | off topic, a program provides 12T of satellite images and could see any spot on the planet :)) http://www.keyhole.com/body.php?h=products&t=keyhole2LT |
| 08:34.53 | Guerin | deadcat: they changed their billing system, and now it just declines every time... when all my details are correct. |
| 08:35.01 | DotHack | bob2: make beatifull in store presentations and stuff |
| 08:35.07 | Guerin | deadcat: and then they didn't reply to a support ticket about it. |
| 08:35.14 | KerPlunk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/JVF6yd86.html |
| 08:35.14 | deadcat | Guerin: fuck paying for mp3s. then you dont have to worry about nothing |
| 08:35.32 | KerPlunk | (upgrading from sarge to sid) |
| 08:35.34 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:35.34 | dpkg | qotd10 is, like, <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 08:35.35 | smith|offglasses | mp3 lol |
| 08:35.57 | smith|offglasses | helix == useless |
| 08:36.08 | Guerin | famous last words |
| 08:36.12 | Guerin | awright |
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| 08:36.27 | deadcat | i doubt she knows what a retarded monkey would do |
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| 08:36.45 | KerPlunk | Is the packages tarball that apt uses to see what packages are where wrong for sid? |
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| 08:37.02 | bob2 | KerPlunk: it's not a tarball, it's a bzip2'd file |
| 08:37.06 | deadcat | ok. i am gonna go on a huger strike till sarge is out. |
| 08:37.09 | KerPlunk | o |
| 08:37.09 | bob2 | KerPlunk: and it can't be "wrong" |
| 08:37.17 | KerPlunk | bob2: You see the linK? |
| 08:37.21 | KerPlunk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/JVF6yd86.html |
| 08:37.43 | KerPlunk | 3 packages failed |
| 08:37.46 | simonrvn | deadcat: i've done hunger strike, though it wasn't over some silly thing like that ;p |
| 08:37.49 | KerPlunk | And they keep failing. |
| 08:38.00 | deadcat | simonrvn: what you do? |
| 08:38.54 | EmleyMoor | How do I make installing a new kernel package update my grub menu.lst? (and, for that matter, until I have sorted that, how do I update it the "normal" way?) |
| 08:39.18 | deadcat | EmleyMoor: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 08:39.20 | simonrvn | deadcat: protest against some really austere anti-poor measures taken by a gov't back in '96 |
| 08:39.26 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: it doesn't update it? |
| 08:39.41 | EmleyMoor | bob2: No |
| 08:39.49 | deadcat | simonrvn: nice |
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| 08:41.03 | EmleyMoor | This is a recent "now on grub, formerly on lilo" system if that makes a difference |
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| 08:41.28 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: man update-grub |
| 08:41.48 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: man kernel-img.conf |
| 08:41.54 | Phat3 | hello all |
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| 08:43.09 | sobersabre | hi |
| 08:44.54 | bob2 | KerPlunk: I can't reach it, soryr |
| 08:45.44 | EmleyMoor | jm_: Thanks - kernel-img.conf was absent so I copied it from another machine on which it works |
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| 08:49.08 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: np |
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| 08:49.14 | lestest | hi there, how do I change spamassassin configuration in order to use spamd rather then a spamassassin process for each message? |
| 08:49.38 | jm_ | lestest: /etc/default/spamassassin |
| 08:50.04 | jm_ | lestest: then change the way you call it, i.e. use spamc |
| 08:52.15 | lestest | jm_: invoking spamc will authomatically execute spamd instance? |
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| 08:52.40 | jm_ | lestest: no, you need to enable it in the file above and use /etc/init.d script to start it first |
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| 08:52.45 | dondelelcaro | lestest: spamc will connect to the running spamd instance. |
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| 08:53.34 | lestest | thankz both ... do you raccomands any particular options for spamc? |
| 08:53.59 | KerPlunk | Is there an apt-get command to install everything? |
| 08:54.00 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 08:54.36 | raboof | how do i change the default browser when clicking links in thunderbird in debian? |
| 08:54.44 | john | KerPlunk: apt-get moo |
| 08:54.53 | raboof | (right now it starts konqueror, so i'm guessing it uses some kind of `system default') |
| 08:55.08 | deadcat | look at this moron: http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/sys/76359289.html |
| 08:55.31 | KerPlunk | lol |
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| 08:56.09 | tarzeau | any astronomers here that make planetary photos/movies with their telescopes? |
| 08:56.16 | rvl | If i login under my username in XFCE and start firefox in a terminal it complains Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client |
| 08:56.19 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:56.19 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
| 08:56.23 | rvl | . |
| 08:56.26 | KerPlunk | raboof: export BROWSER=firefox |
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| 08:57.02 | raboof | KerPlunk: hmm, that isn't set to konqueror right now. When BROWSER is empty, how does it determine what browser to start? |
| 08:57.19 | KerPlunk | raboof: I dunno |
| 08:57.23 | KerPlunk | I asked that question earlier today. |
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| 08:57.33 | tarzeau | raboof: hi |
| 08:57.35 | KerPlunk | I installed i2p...and the configuration interface opened konqueror. |
| 08:57.41 | raboof | hey tarzeau :) |
| 08:57.43 | KerPlunk | So someone told me to change $BROWSER in bash |
| 08:57.54 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: any $SHELL |
| 08:57.57 | KerPlunk | Mine was empty also. |
| 08:57.58 | rvl | if i login under my username in XFCE and start firefox from a terminal it complains: Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client |
| 08:58.08 | tarzeau | dpkg tell rvl about repeat |
| 08:58.13 | oleth | hello, I know it is a bit unrelevant. I have a program that read a buffer from terminal. How does the return button hit is signified (the end of terminal output)? |
| 08:58.14 | deadcat | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 08:58.24 | vandien | hi all, in the topic is said that security is up... when i "apt-get update" i get a timeout for security.debian.org... what's wrong? |
| 08:58.25 | oleth | telnet sorry |
| 08:58.52 | raboof | oleth: i'm not exactly sure what you mean, but maybe `control-d' is what you're looking for? |
| 08:59.08 | tarzeau | raboof: damn and i was thinking wtf he means |
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| 08:59.29 | rvl | sorry |
| 08:59.51 | rvl | thought i wasn't logged in correctly |
| 08:59.53 | oleth | raboof: the strings terminate with '\0'. telnet's line doesnt end with '\0'. With what does it end? |
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| 09:00.35 | vandien | hmmm |
| 09:00.56 | raboof | oleth: EOF, i'd guess |
| 09:01.24 | vandien | any idea about security.debian.org? do i have a mistak or is it just down? |
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| 09:01.45 | KerPlunk | vandien: what distro? |
| 09:01.52 | vandien | debian sarge |
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| 09:02.11 | raboof | vandien: maybe (just a wild guess) the IP changed and DNS hasn't updated yet for you? |
| 09:02.14 | jklll | anyone using genius 5x4 wizardpen? |
| 09:02.23 | KerPlunk | deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main |
| 09:02.27 | vandien | sources entry is security.debian.org sarge/updates/main |
| 09:02.28 | KerPlunk | vandien: Put that in your sources.list |
| 09:02.30 | KerPlunk | and apt-get update |
| 09:02.38 | KerPlunk | er |
| 09:02.41 | vandien | unstable? |
| 09:02.46 | KerPlunk | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 09:02.47 | KerPlunk | rather |
| 09:03.00 | vandien | mom please |
| 09:03.34 | vandien | well, i wanted to stay in sarge cause i want to have stable on that machine |
| 09:03.44 | vandien | so i changed sarge to testing |
| 09:03.55 | KerPlunk | sarge is testing |
| 09:04.12 | raboof | KerPlunk: yeah, but it will be stable soon |
| 09:04.18 | vandien | thats it |
| 09:04.36 | vandien | i thought it should work with sarge |
| 09:04.43 | _joey | woody became stable on 01/06/02 ? |
| 09:04.50 | vandien | it does for normal updates... |
| 09:05.00 | vandien | er it works |
| 09:05.08 | KerPlunk | July 19, 2002 |
| 09:05.09 | oleth | raboof: no thats not it either , thanks anyway, bye |
| 09:05.13 | KerPlunk | July, not June |
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| 09:05.21 | _joey | oki |
| 09:05.44 | vandien | it doesn't work with testing either |
| 09:05.49 | _joey | Next stable release after sarge should be in 2008 ? |
| 09:05.50 | raboof | "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free" works for me |
| 09:06.04 | _joey | seems such a long time |
| 09:06.06 | raboof | _joey: hopefully sooner imho :) |
| 09:06.22 | vandien | hmmm |
| 09:06.26 | _joey | almost like Microsoft, producing OS/Release once every 3 years |
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| 09:06.33 | _joey | :) |
| 09:06.47 | vandien | then it must be a prob in my network oO |
| 09:06.53 | raboof | _joey: well, but we have testing / unstable.. |
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| 09:07.01 | KerPlunk | _joey: except debian changes their os when they upgrade. |
| 09:07.08 | KerPlunk | microsoft just adds tiny features. |
| 09:07.23 | KerPlunk | And they release more then every 3 years |
| 09:07.23 | _joey | raboof I know I will switch to testing after 1 year sarge is stable |
| 09:07.25 | _joey | at least |
| 09:07.32 | KerPlunk | They re-released Windows XP like 12 times |
| 09:07.41 | KerPlunk | Reduced Media Edition etc |
| 09:07.43 | KerPlunk | XP pro |
| 09:07.54 | raboof | well, yeah, but Woody has been getting updates, too |
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| 09:09.31 | silenius | sup |
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| 09:13.00 | raboof | ah! the default browser is x-www-browser, managed by update-alternatives. |
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| 09:13.16 | raboof | are there gui apps for manipulating the debian alternatives, btw? |
| 09:13.40 | jm_ | galternatives - graphical setup tool for the alternatives system |
| 09:13.50 | raboof | jm_: sweet thanks |
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| 09:15.08 | vandien | i'm an idiot... i need to define a proxy for HTTP. How can i do that for apt? |
| 09:15.11 | Viper233 | Yeah.. master browser... or if you know of a host on the network that has Samba/SMB/Windows shares on it use it as the hostname |
| 09:15.27 | Viper233 | eg smbclient -L localhost |
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| 09:15.55 | af_ | which ldap server use? |
| 09:21.40 | rage | vandien: still there? if so then one moment |
| 09:22.40 | vandien | yupp |
| 09:22.53 | rage | Add this to your .bashrc for root |
| 09:22.58 | paulswm | vandien: you can set env variable http_proxy, example "http_proxy=http://localhost:3128/" and also "no_proxy=localhost", or "man apt" "THE ACQUIRE GROUP" section |
| 09:23.34 | rage | export http_proxy="http://user:password@proxyhost.tld:portnumber/" |
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| 09:24.10 | rage | and yeah, fill out the details :-) |
| 09:24.23 | vandien | hehe, got it, thanks :) |
| 09:24.40 | paulswm | I should have given the proper form, like rage, ah well :) |
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| 09:24.56 | paulswm | I was trying to beat him :) |
| 09:25.02 | rage | hehe |
| 09:25.14 | rage | didn't know about the no_proxy though, cool :-) |
| 09:25.19 | KerPlunk | k, I just upgraded from sarge to sid |
| 09:25.28 | KerPlunk | I'm about to reboot. |
| 09:25.29 | KerPlunk | wish me luck!!! |
| 09:25.36 | rage | !good luck |
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| 09:29.18 | arango | How do I find a channel for a specific topic ? I remeber joining a channel on freenode about projectors, but I don't remember the name |
| 09:29.47 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.02 | vandien | rage: argh, it doesnt relly work... trying to find the prob -.- |
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| 09:30.48 | yang | but it will drop you a large list of all channels |
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| 09:33.00 | vandien | hm, it doesn't use the proxy |
| 09:33.11 | vandien | lynx doesnt use it either |
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| 09:34.27 | vandien | damn case sensitivity... |
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| 09:35.16 | mattl | does anyone know the package for gmake? |
| 09:35.31 | bob2 | make. |
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| 09:36.12 | mattl | bob2: so make and gmake are the same? |
| 09:36.30 | jm_ | they are on Linux systems usually |
| 09:36.56 | bob2 | gmake is a bsd-ism, because their make is crap |
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| 09:38.20 | directhex|work | but solaris sun studio's make is best! just ask jorg schilling! |
| 09:38.20 | mattl | ah, okay. i'm reading some instructions and being told I needed gmake, but i thought I'd check. thanks. |
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| 09:39.36 | bob2 | yeah, when you see "gmake", think make |
| 09:40.10 | jm_ | Solaris' dmake is actually very good |
| 09:40.35 | directhex|work | good enough to purposely mangle your makefiles to throw up garbage when not using it? |
| 09:40.38 | bob2 | is that their default make? |
| 09:40.53 | jm_ | no, it's not default - default is /usr/ccs/bin/make |
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| 09:41.13 | bob2 | ah |
| 09:41.18 | bob2 | not ucb? |
| 09:41.45 | jm_ | no, they have /usr/ccs/bin/make and /usr/xpg4/bin/make |
| 09:42.05 | directhex|work | how useful! |
| 09:42.18 | directhex|work | now someone explain why ping isn't in the default $path |
| 09:42.51 | petemc | is in sbin |
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| 09:42.54 | KimHansen | I just saw that checksecurity from cron scans the files in /sys and /dev/shm, is that necessary? |
| 09:42.54 | petemc | its |
| 09:42.58 | directhex|work | yes, it is |
| 09:43.06 | jm_ | it is for root |
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| 09:44.04 | directhex|work | solaris would probably be less painful if it was rational by default, rather than fucking moronic |
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| 09:44.14 | bob2 | is tcsh still the default shell? |
| 09:44.20 | bob2 | and no c compiler? |
| 09:44.26 | silenius | directhex: solaris is at least well-documented |
| 09:44.44 | bob2 | the man pages rock |
| 09:44.50 | [SemTeX] | mmm, i'm trying to compile kernel-source-2.6.8 and if fails to do so? :s |
| 09:44.54 | bob2 | it'd be good if they came out under a useful license so linux could still them |
| 09:44.57 | bob2 | er, steal |
| 09:45.00 | [SemTeX] | In file included from ksyms.c:50: |
| 09:45.03 | bob2 | [SemTeX]: why are you compiling a new kernel? |
| 09:45.08 | [SemTeX] | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.31 | [SemTeX] | bob2: it's an old pentium classic and there is no 586 2.6.8 kernel... |
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| 09:45.52 | bob2 | [SemTeX]: what compiler are you using? |
| 09:45.57 | bob2 | ie is this woody or sarge? |
| 09:46.01 | [SemTeX] | sarge |
| 09:46.47 | directhex|work | bob2, sh as default shell, ed for default editor, no firewall supplied, etc etc etc |
| 09:47.15 | directhex|work | bob2, no c compiler is supplied so you have to pay for sunone studio |
| 09:47.28 | bob2 | solaris doesn't include ipf or whatever it's called these days? |
| 09:47.33 | [SemTeX] | # gcc --version |
| 09:47.33 | [SemTeX] | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 09:47.45 | bob2 | [SemTeX]: are you using the default Debian .config? |
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| 09:48.56 | irfaN | hi |
| 09:48.58 | [SemTeX] | bob2: copied from /boot/config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 09:49.09 | [SemTeX] | changed 386 to 586 |
| 09:49.13 | directhex|work | bob2, not by default, no. even a root password is optional in solaris 10 |
| 09:49.14 | bob2 | [SemTeX]: how did you invoke the compile? |
| 09:49.19 | bob2 | directhex|work: hah |
| 09:49.22 | bob2 | directhex|work: sudo instead? |
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| 09:49.28 | [SemTeX] | and did an fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.01062005 kernel_image |
| 09:49.41 | bob2 | [SemTeX]: you will need a --initrd on ther, too |
| 09:49.44 | directhex|work | bob2, um no, it doesn't create user accounts. you log into the Java Desktop Environment as root. |
| 09:49.45 | [SemTeX] | he did ask some config options before it started... |
| 09:49.50 | bob2 | directhex|work: haha |
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| 09:50.32 | kjparker | hi |
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| 09:51.15 | [SemTeX] | i'll do a make clean and retry :) |
| 09:51.20 | kjparker | is it just me or has there been alot (more than 100mb) if updates released to sarge in the last week? |
| 09:51.33 | bob2 | [SemTeX]: the only other thing is that it should be: make-kpkg --initrd -rfakeroot ... |
| 09:51.35 | agabus | kjparker - i have noticed much the same |
| 09:51.39 | bob2 | but I can't think how that would affect it |
| 09:51.48 | [SemTeX] | no |
| 09:51.55 | bob2 | kjparker: if X was uploaded, that'd be about right... |
| 09:52.03 | [SemTeX] | i'm just wondering why there where some config options i had to confirm |
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| 09:52.17 | [SemTeX] | i thought that wouldn't be necessary when i copy the config |
| 09:52.18 | kjparker | i just did an apt-get update then apt-get upgrade, and on my laptop it wanted about 170mb... |
| 09:52.30 | directhex|work | bob2, remember what i said about rational? solaris simply isn't. |
| 09:52.37 | bob2 | hah |
| 09:52.37 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to backup the BIOS to a floppy? |
| 09:52.45 | kjparker | it may well have, as i was asked about my display driver when installing the updates... |
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| 09:53.16 | smith | Knight_Lord-_- why not? |
| 09:53.17 | kjparker | yep, xfree 4.3 is in there |
| 09:53.20 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: why would you want to? |
| 09:53.28 | directhex|work | bob2, little things, like needing to configure X three times during install (because it forgets the first two times after reboots) is annoying |
| 09:53.30 | bob2 | it's possible on some bioses, yeah |
| 09:53.32 | smith | c:> debug |
| 09:53.44 | directhex|work | bob2, and yes, i know, solaris is for sunfires not desktops, but that's not what sun would have you believe |
| 09:54.29 | nottu | is there a way to put more then one ip in a iptables source or destination ? |
| 09:54.51 | bob2 | you can do netmasks |
| 09:54.52 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 09:55.39 | nottu | bob2: not extended ip's.. ip's like 83.123.43.21 , 129.32.54.2 |
| 09:56.12 | Jenna | hi. Im a debian newbie. Is there a LiveCd version of Debian to get a first hand experience ? |
| 09:56.27 | bob2 | Jenna: no |
| 09:56.30 | tombs | a very simple and stupid question: when somebody say...edit /etc/network.blablabla...what means that? I have to open the directory and change something, or I have to run "vi" and do some changes? please |
| 09:56.59 | bob2 | tombs: they mean open it in your text editor of choice and change the file |
| 09:57.09 | bob2 | if you don't have a favourite yet, nano is a good one to start with |
| 09:57.12 | Jenna | bob2: really ? |
| 09:57.26 | Jenna | bob2; what about Slax ? what is it ? |
| 09:57.39 | bob2 | Jenna: I haven't heard of that before |
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| 09:58.02 | tombs | bob2, but when I open the file, I don't see what is already inside(at least I did it once, and was nothing inside)using...nano |
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| 09:58.18 | Knight_Lord | bob2 my problem is that i have an old version of a BIOS on one server that works, but the newest version that came installed in a new server doesn't seem to work |
| 09:58.18 | pe-de-moleque | Jenna, try knoppix |
| 09:58.27 | bob2 | tombs: that probably means you mistyped the filename |
| 09:58.35 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: oh, wow |
| 09:58.36 | tombs | shit |
| 09:58.40 | Knight_Lord | bob2 problem is i can't find the old version anywhere online, so i'll tyr to copy it from the old server |
| 09:58.40 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: you can't download the old one anymote |
| 09:58.42 | bob2 | ? |
| 09:58.44 | bob2 | ah |
| 09:58.57 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: there's a kernel module to let you do that, but I forget it's name |
| 09:58.58 | bob2 | one sec |
| 09:59.01 | Jenna | pe-de-moleque: already tried that. is it the same as debian .? |
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| 09:59.19 | kjparker | jenna, it's similar |
| 09:59.24 | kjparker | !knoppix |
| 09:59.24 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or no more debian then mandrake is redhat. |
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| 09:59.29 | tombs | pe-de-moleque, vc pode me dar uma ajudinha? |
| 09:59.46 | pe-de-moleque | for a newbie is the same |
| 09:59.57 | pe-de-moleque | pedala tombs |
| 10:00.14 | tombs | hehe |
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| 10:00.22 | tombs | vou pro pvt ok? |
| 10:00.33 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: hm, http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/bios.html, but I don't know if that program works on all hardware |
| 10:00.44 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: also, if you screw this up, the new machine might not be fixable :/ |
| 10:01.06 | kjparker | hmmm, there is also a kernel update in the latest batch of updates... but it's the same version... :| |
| 10:01.07 | Knight_Lord | bob2 it is fixable, i just need to do some BIOS chip moving on the fly |
| 10:01.09 | Jenna | pe-de-moleque; whats that language ? |
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| 10:01.20 | pe-de-moleque | portuguese |
| 10:01.26 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: hah, right |
| 10:01.32 | brosio | is possible a resizing of ext3 partition ? |
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| 10:01.36 | pe-de-moleque | sorry for that |
| 10:01.41 | pe-de-moleque | ;~-) |
| 10:01.42 | bob2 | kjparker: er, are you sure? |
| 10:01.46 | kjparker | yep |
| 10:01.46 | Knight_Lord | bob2 as i have 3 identical mobos it's not really a problem |
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| 10:02.03 | bob2 | kjparker: "apt-cache show kernel-image-1.2.3" shows the EXACT same value in the Version: field? |
| 10:02.15 | KerPlunk | I upgraded from sarge to sid...I don't see what the fuss was about. |
| 10:02.20 | KerPlunk | This thing is stable as hell |
| 10:02.26 | KerPlunk | I haven't had one problem. |
| 10:02.27 | kjparker | 100% it pops up a screen saying you must reboot because the new kernel is the same and that it needs to rebuild the modules file |
| 10:02.31 | deadcat | KerPlunk: exactly |
| 10:02.35 | KerPlunk | Everything runs perfectly to my knowledge. |
| 10:02.35 | luulis | lol http://www.seppo.net/politics/eu_vs_microsoft_04.jpg |
| 10:02.39 | bob2 | kjparker: er |
| 10:02.50 | bob2 | kjparker: no, then the Version: field changed, just not the internal kernel version |
| 10:02.54 | bob2 | which is fine |
| 10:03.01 | luulis | KerPlunk: i have had few broken packages at times |
| 10:03.02 | deadcat | KerPlunk: we just like to scare the shit out of people from trying sid. (= |
| 10:03.21 | scar` | I would like to change an xfs setting. It's gotta be somewhere at /etc/rc0.d (according to the HOWTO) but my debian has rc0.d,...rc6.d plus rc.boot and rcS.d ...... this is what I would like to change: daemon xfs -droppriv -daemon -port 7100 |
| 10:03.26 | KerPlunk | Some guys comments on slashdot made me want to upgrade. |
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| 10:03.35 | bob2 | scar`: you don't need to run xfs at all, y'know |
| 10:03.39 | deadcat | !moron KerPlunk |
| 10:03.39 | dpkg | KerPlunk: You are moron #63 |
| 10:03.49 | bob2 | unless you're really sharing fonts around the network |
| 10:04.02 | kjparker | though with regards to sid, the current sid is soon to become etch, which is to my understanding, more or less mature |
| 10:04.14 | scar` | bob2, well, it's for XDMCP - I'm trying to establish a remote X session through LAN |
| 10:04.17 | deadcat | kjparker: no. |
| 10:04.19 | kjparker | am i right? |
| 10:04.26 | deadcat | kjparker: you are so wrong |
| 10:04.29 | bob2 | scar`: hrm, most modern stuff doesn't use X server fonts anymore |
| 10:04.37 | kjparker | -please help me understand! :) |
| 10:04.39 | bob2 | kjparker: sid is sid. testing will become etch. |
| 10:04.44 | deadcat | !tell kjparker about sid |
| 10:04.44 | bob2 | sid is always the name of unstable |
| 10:04.59 | bob2 | scar`: but editing /etc/init.d/xfs is what you want to do |
| 10:05.14 | kjparker | but doesn't the code that is currently in sid migrate down to etch? |
| 10:05.20 | bob2 | yes |
| 10:05.24 | deadcat | kjparker: else they would call the new stable after sarge sid, not etch. |
| 10:05.24 | bob2 | mostly |
| 10:05.26 | bob2 | eventually |
| 10:06.01 | KerPlunk | deadcat: So when they start sid they won't take a snapshot of sid and use that as their base? |
| 10:06.03 | KerPlunk | er |
| 10:06.06 | kjparker | that's the point i was trying to make, not that the names were going to change, but that the code was going to move... |
| 10:06.12 | KerPlunk | deadcat: So when they start etch they won't take a snapshot of sid and use that as their base? |
| 10:06.37 | KerPlunk | How do they start etch? |
| 10:06.39 | scar` | bob2, yea I tried that and added the commands behind the daemon= declaration but on restart, it didnt work out... but I see, that hard coded font path in XF86Config works aswell .... |
| 10:06.48 | deadcat | KerPlunk: just like they started sarge |
| 10:06.57 | KerPlunk | How did they start sarge? |
| 10:07.07 | bob2 | scar`: right, but most apps ignore all the font stuff setup wwith xfs and in XF86Config-4 |
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| 10:07.08 | deadcat | KerPlunk: rename the sym link and point to testing |
| 10:07.16 | bob2 | e.g. mozilla, kde, gnome all use client-side fonts |
| 10:07.19 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 10:07.29 | bob2 | that's a good point |
| 10:07.52 | scar` | bob2, well I have set some font paths in my XF86Config-4 file ... so that should work aswell, rightß |
| 10:07.55 | KerPlunk | But when etch is out...it's not the same as sid |
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| 10:08.06 | deadcat | KerPlunk: no |
| 10:08.08 | KerPlunk | Packages go through more testing to get into testing then into sid right? |
| 10:08.09 | bob2 | scar`: well, yeah, but kde and gnome and mozilla will ignore it |
| 10:08.13 | deadcat | KerPlunk: are you trolling? |
| 10:08.14 | bob2 | KerPlunk: etch will branch from sarge |
| 10:08.16 | kjparker | i didn't say it was, but it has to some from somewhere! |
| 10:08.19 | KerPlunk | no |
| 10:08.21 | bob2 | not from sid |
| 10:08.22 | KerPlunk | I'm not trolling |
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| 10:08.37 | deadcat | KerPlunk: but you sure look suspicious to me. |
| 10:08.42 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 10:08.45 | KerPlunk | I'm not seriously. |
| 10:08.48 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure testing started empty |
| 10:08.56 | KerPlunk | I'm just a new debian user |
| 10:09.02 | KerPlunk | I never learned how things work. |
| 10:09.06 | KerPlunk | I was redhat guy for a long long time. |
| 10:09.33 | kjparker | i'm relatively new as well, I was also a redhat person, however more recently open bsd... |
| 10:09.36 | KerPlunk | To my understanding...when I read the sid faq... |
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| 10:10.27 | sphere | stuff trickles down from sid to testing, which gets frozen occacionally to create a new stable |
| 10:10.51 | scar` | bob2, see, the thing is I have configured a running X server with enlighenment window manager on that debian machine and it works perfectly. all I try to do now, is access to the exact same desktop through my LAN of a WindowsXP machine. |
| 10:11.12 | kjparker | so i guess my question is, there is no worse time than any other figuratively speaking to install sid... |
| 10:11.19 | kjparker | right? |
| 10:11.29 | bob2 | sid is effectively frozen now, anyway |
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| 10:11.44 | directhex|work | kjparker, sid is sorta frozen until sarge releases, then all hell breaks loose |
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| 10:11.57 | paulswm | Heh, good way of putting it |
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| 10:12.22 | paulswm | I'm stickin' with sarge for the first few days |
| 10:12.24 | silentbob | sorry power outage |
| 10:12.35 | scar` | hey paulswm, remember you told me yesterday to go with x11vnc? |
| 10:12.49 | bob2 | scar`: right... |
| 10:12.52 | silentbob | When I read the sid faq....he said that if something goes into sid...it goes through more testing before it goes into the testing branch. |
| 10:12.54 | bob2 | scar`: xfs isn't essential for that, tho |
| 10:13.01 | bob2 | silentbob: yes |
| 10:13.02 | paulswm | scar`: Well, I said that's what *I* was doing, it was a suggestion, not an order :) |
| 10:13.10 | bob2 | silentbob: it has to last 10 days without a serious bug |
| 10:13.14 | silentbob | There is a higher standard for packages to be allowed before they go into testing compared to sid right? |
| 10:13.19 | silentbob | ahh, 10 days |
| 10:13.21 | silentbob | That's right.. |
| 10:13.26 | silentbob | I had to wait that long for gnome baker |
| 10:13.28 | silentbob | makes sense |
| 10:13.31 | bob2 | or is it 14? I forget. |
| 10:13.34 | paulswm | silentbob: odd, I just had a power outage too, I'm in Kissimmee, FL |
| 10:13.37 | silentbob | It's 10 |
| 10:13.49 | silentbob | paulswm: new york here |
| 10:14.00 | silentbob | I get my power from parts of Canada |
| 10:14.03 | Guerin | i had power failure earlier |
| 10:14.08 | Guerin | and I'm in korea! |
| 10:14.09 | silentbob | We are on different lines |
| 10:14.12 | paulswm | !blame canada |
| 10:14.18 | silentbob | So that must have been a huge power outage.. |
| 10:14.22 | paulswm | !test |
| 10:14.23 | dpkg | Sorry, paulswm, I didn't get your test. |
| 10:14.25 | Guerin | potentially unrelated, though... we had a dirty big electrical storm |
| 10:14.26 | scar` | paulswm, hehe of course... well I got me an x11vnc package, installed it, but I cant make it work, somehow.always returns with the error msg XOpenDisplay failed and the FAQ doesn't help me alot |
| 10:14.27 | silentbob | The entire east side of America |
| 10:14.33 | bob2 | ripping my cds across two dvd drives was an awesome idea |
| 10:14.42 | paulswm | Naah, we are in the middle of a thunderstorm here |
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| 10:14.47 | jbmigel | every time i update/upgrade i get an error "perl: warning: setting locale failed." then some nonsense telling me to verify my en_CA locale stuff is installed on my system, howto change locale to en_US instead now? |
| 10:14.56 | dabaslon | ? |
| 10:15.05 | Guerin | jbmigel: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:15.08 | jbmigel | thx |
| 10:15.12 | silentbob | Thanks for the info bob2 |
| 10:15.19 | bob2 | np |
| 10:15.20 | paulswm | dabaslon: Yeah, I didn't get it either |
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| 10:15.32 | dabaslon | how did that happen, could anyone explain? |
| 10:16.17 | dabaslon | ah, I maybe get it. |
| 10:16.27 | dabaslon | !blame italy |
| 10:16.35 | dabaslon | tight. |
| 10:16.42 | dabaslon | right, rather |
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| 10:16.51 | whm | how to driver this video card ???VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) |
| 10:17.03 | Guerin | !unichrome |
| 10:17.03 | dpkg | methinks unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. |
| 10:17.08 | jbmigel | Guerin what difference UTF-8 or ISO-8859? |
| 10:17.14 | nksen | whm: s3? |
| 10:17.15 | Guerin | jbmigel: about |
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| 10:17.20 | QUACH-690 | i install packages in to server but i dont know where is the location of installed packages? |
| 10:17.36 | dabaslon | paulswm, what you are trying to do is !sing blame canada, prolly. |
| 10:17.46 | Guerin | jbmigel: about 65300 characters |
| 10:17.48 | paulswm | dabaslon: dpkg picks a random nick |
| 10:17.55 | dabaslon | no, I am in canada. |
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| 10:18.03 | dabaslon | that would be too weird. |
| 10:18.06 | [SemTeX] | bob2: second try, same result |
| 10:18.16 | [SemTeX] | i guess i'll have to file a bug |
| 10:18.16 | paulswm | dabaslon: for blame command that is |
| 10:18.24 | bob2 | QUACH-690: binaries go in /usr/sbin, /sbin, /bin or /usr/bin |
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| 10:18.44 | paulswm | dabaslon: And yes that is what I was looking for :) |
| 10:18.52 | dabaslon | no, he blamed canada, and me, and I am in canada, what are the chances? I mean, I guess not too too bad... |
| 10:18.52 | QUACH-690 | thanks |
| 10:18.54 | tpr | err how can i shutdown X without it restarting :D (tried with ctrl-alt-backspace) |
| 10:18.55 | Guerin | QUACH-690: man dpkg |
| 10:19.10 | Guerin | tpr: use a displaymanager? |
| 10:19.11 | directhex|work | tpr, why? |
| 10:19.17 | kjparker | tpr: why not reboot? |
| 10:19.21 | Guerin | why reboot? |
| 10:19.22 | directhex|work | tpr, don't use the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 10:19.22 | tpr | Guerin: ..que? :) |
| 10:19.24 | tombs | bob2, thanx for help...see ya |
| 10:19.27 | nksen | tpr: change console with ctrl-alt-f7 and kill your displaymanager |
| 10:19.35 | tpr | kjparker: coz reboot brings it back |
| 10:19.35 | Guerin | tpr: do you use a display manager? kdm, gdm, xdm... |
| 10:19.42 | tpr | nksen: that leads straight back to x |
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| 10:19.51 | bob2 | [SemTeX]: outta ideas, sorry |
| 10:19.51 | directhex|work | tpr, if it's for non-nvidia reasons, then run "/etc/init.d/*dm stop" |
| 10:20.03 | freakje | hi guys, i got a question for you :), how can i change the editor debian uses when i do 'crontab -e' ? |
| 10:20.13 | paulswm | dabaslon: It does pick a random nick: <action> blames $randnick and $1 |
| 10:20.16 | Guerin | freakje: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 10:20.17 | directhex|work | freakje, EDITOR environment variable in your shell |
| 10:20.18 | nksen | tpr: *shrug* works here |
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| 10:20.41 | tpr | directhex|work: hey that worked :) thanks |
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| 10:20.53 | tpr | sick and tired of kde im going back to gnome ffs |
| 10:20.57 | nksen | tpr: that exactly what I told ya |
| 10:20.59 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:20.59 | directhex|work | tpr, this isn't for nvidia, right? |
| 10:21.00 | dabaslon | paulswm, pleasew share how you find out what commands are set, and even better, a documentation site. |
| 10:21.08 | freakje | thx :) |
| 10:21.10 | Guerin | "i'm sick of crack, i'm going back to speed" |
| 10:21.18 | tpr | directhex|work: no m laptop has an ati fire GL card |
| 10:21.23 | tpr | Guerin: heheh |
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| 10:21.33 | poncha | hi. how can i know what blocksize was used in partition? |
| 10:21.34 | tpr | Guerin: what you're saying is that X in general is bad for me? :P |
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| 10:21.42 | Guerin | tpr: no, just gnome and kde. |
| 10:21.47 | jm_ | poncha: which block size are you refering to? |
| 10:22.03 | tpr | Guerin: mm i suppose i could try another wm |
| 10:22.10 | mortalman | What ever happened to that old program "linuxconf"?? Is it no longer mantained? |
| 10:22.14 | Guerin | tpr: try a few others: xfce4, openbox, fluxbox, windowmaker, etc... see how they fit. |
| 10:22.27 | nksen | Guerin: don't forget enlightenment |
| 10:22.33 | Guerin | mortalman: linux doesn't need config once it's built |
| 10:22.38 | QUACH-690 | how can i search a name of a file in command line? |
| 10:22.46 | Guerin | nksen: didn't forgetn it; left it out on purpose :) |
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| 10:22.59 | poncha | jm_, fs blocksize.. i need to supply the location of alternative superblock to fsck (primary superblock is dead), and its manual says that alternative superblock location is dependant on fs's blocksize |
| 10:23.03 | spike | hi there |
| 10:23.04 | jm_ | QUACH-690: man find ; info coreutils and read about find |
| 10:23.06 | rage | QUACH-690: man find |
| 10:23.14 | QUACH-690 | thx |
| 10:23.15 | spike | does anybody know of some major issues with debian repositories? |
| 10:23.19 | Guerin | QUACH-690: FIX UR NICK PLZ |
| 10:23.24 | mortalman | Guerin: linuxconf was a configuration util that configed apache, NICs, and just about everything for linux. |
| 10:23.26 | Guerin | spike: nope. |
| 10:23.30 | spike | during the last days me and some other friends using different repos (sid) had loads of broken deps |
| 10:23.35 | tpr | Guerin: im a bit scared of trying other wm's than the ones that come 'easily' with debian, im so new to linux in general anyway :p |
| 10:23.35 | Guerin | mortalman: sounds like a nucking fightmare. |
| 10:23.43 | nksen | Guerin: so now tell me your reasons against enlightenment! :) |
| 10:23.44 | spike | I just tried to install python-doc and it wants to remove kde... |
| 10:23.44 | fatal_ | QUACH-690: locate <file> (looks in a previously updated database), find <path> -name <filename> (searches the filesystem uncached, takes time). |
| 10:23.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:23.51 | dpkg | methinks qotd74 is < DrBlink> wow i didnt kno linux had an interface |
| 10:23.57 | jm_ | poncha: ahh that, dumpe2fs, but it might have troubles if superblock is gone |
| 10:23.58 | mortalman | Guerin: It was. heh |
| 10:23.59 | Guerin | nksen: naw, I'm not serious. I've only used it a couple times. |
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| 10:24.30 | nksen | Guerin: i see. you should use it a couple more times ;) |
| 10:24.30 | poncha | jm_, its ok to use dump2fs on ext3 ? |
| 10:24.39 | Guerin | tpr: give them a crack; they should show up in your DM menu easily enough; failing that you can always use startx and xsession |
| 10:24.52 | Guerin | nksen: i don't believe I should. I don't do eyecandy. |
| 10:24.58 | az[a]zel | does anyone know of any multiway video conferencing software for linux? gnomemeeting appears to only support 1-on-1 as far as I can tell |
| 10:24.59 | jm_ | poncha: sure |
| 10:25.01 | Guerin | if you want proof, I can send you a screenshot... |
| 10:25.05 | poncha | ok, trying thanks |
| 10:25.09 | directhex|work | tpr, the WMs in debian should be listed as options in the gdm login manager |
| 10:25.17 | az[a]zel | I pretty much want iChat AV, but open source and runs on linux |
| 10:25.20 | K_Dallas | Morning folks! |
| 10:25.24 | QUACH-690 | fatal_ can you tell me where the packages are install in server? i installed some package and cant find their location |
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| 10:25.48 | mortalman | ok, why can't regular users mount drives and why, when mounted with root, can't they read the contents? |
| 10:25.49 | poncha | jm_, :( dumpe2fs: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hdb1. Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
| 10:25.49 | tarzeau | az[a]zel: tried freshmeat yet? tell us if you find one |
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| 10:25.51 | tpr | directhex|work: oh, thought gdm was something for gnome only and i thought i got rid of it when removing anything gnome related a while back :D |
| 10:25.57 | nksen | Guerin: i don't use it because it's eyecandy, teh more I use it caused by it's great usability... but stop now. I don't like those discussions about THE best wm or distro or whatever... |
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| 10:26.15 | fatal_ | QUACH-690: dpkg -L <package-name> (lists all files installed by a package) |
| 10:26.18 | paulswm | dabaslon: /msg dpkg help and listkeys, do it privately though or you'll clog the channel :) |
| 10:26.19 | directhex|work | tpr, i log into my xfce4 account with gdm, it'll also list gnome, kde, whatever |
| 10:26.22 | kjparker | bob2, i just pasted the message i got re: the kernel in #flood if your interested.... |
| 10:26.22 | tpr | nksen: some prefer the daughter, others the mother eh ;) |
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| 10:26.46 | tpr | directhex|work: thats nice, gonna give it a shot |
| 10:26.59 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:27.02 | Guerin | nksen: i don't need much functionalist out of a windowmanager - I run a single terminal emulator with many, many shells in screen, and a browser. And occasionally another app for something special. |
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| 10:27.23 | jm_ | poncha: yeah, that's always a catch when trying to find a valid superblock ;) - what usually works is to run mkfs.ext3 -n and try using those numbers |
| 10:27.35 | directhex|work | i wonder if nexuiz runs on my laptop... |
| 10:27.54 | mindspin | Hi, anybody ever seen this ? http://pastebin.com/293183 |
| 10:27.56 | tpr | Guerin: in the case of a laptop the console only is sort of inadequate, important to have a working gui env |
| 10:28.17 | Guerin | tpr: this IS a laptop |
| 10:28.20 | poncha | jm_, there is no -n there :) |
| 10:28.29 | directhex|work | laptops are good for one thing only: playing Uplink |
| 10:28.30 | jm_ | poncha: there is |
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| 10:28.36 | Guerin | tpr: the only thing which ties me to X is a decent browser. |
| 10:28.45 | Guerin | and don't bother - I've heard about them all :( |
| 10:28.45 | paulswm | tarzeau: I added qotd89 yesterday |
| 10:28.53 | poncha | jm_, i tried and got usage info... there is -N however, im just not sure you refered to it |
| 10:28.53 | tarzeau | !qotd89 |
| 10:28.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd89 is <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
| 10:29.03 | jm_ | Guerin: have you tried the X based mozilla one? |
| 10:29.06 | tarzeau | paulswm: rofl |
| 10:29.09 | jm_ | poncha: man mkfs.ext3 |
| 10:29.14 | paulswm | tarzeau: :D |
| 10:29.14 | jm_ | Guerin: sorry, text |
| 10:29.16 | tpr | Guerin: I like watching movies in the train or whenever traveling for one ;) |
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| 10:29.59 | Guerin | tpr: no need for a gui there. |
| 10:30.00 | directhex|work | i get no framebuffer on my new pc :( |
| 10:30.18 | tpr | Guerin: that i did NOT know hehe |
| 10:30.20 | poncha | aha |
| 10:30.23 | CosmoDad | I've got 2.6.8 on an IBM Thinkpad Laptop with ACPI working and acpid installed, but when I shutdown the machine it won't poweroff, I have to do that manually. Ideas? |
| 10:30.23 | Guerin | jm_: which one is that? does it do images? |
| 10:30.28 | poncha | nice! :) |
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| 10:30.36 | poncha | will try the 4k block as it specified |
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| 10:30.45 | Guerin | tpr: even so, I DO run X - so it's irrelevant either way :) |
| 10:30.51 | tpr | hehe true |
| 10:31.09 | Guerin | (but this laptop is too anaemic for full-rate video) |
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| 10:31.37 | tpr | I have a compaq ML350 sitting here, got it for free..looking forward of setting that up :) |
| 10:31.46 | tpr | only one processor (1ghz) though but hoping to get another one in the future |
| 10:31.50 | poncha | damn |
| 10:31.52 | directhex|work | CosmoDad, fix your aci? |
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| 10:32.11 | poncha | fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hdb1 (and that is with alt superblock location specified already) |
| 10:32.18 | poncha | not good |
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| 10:32.52 | mortalman | How can I allow regular users to mount filesystems OR have root mount them and have regualr users able to read their contents ?? |
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| 10:33.11 | directhex|work | mortalman, those are two questions |
| 10:33.29 | directhex|work | mortalman, the first one is answered by the "users" option in your fstab, e.g. noauto,users |
| 10:33.34 | jm_ | Guerin: hmm let me try and find it |
| 10:33.39 | jm_ | mortalman: man fstab |
| 10:33.40 | directhex|work | mortalman, the second one is usually umask related |
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| 10:33.53 | jm_ | poncha: check logs/dmesg output |
| 10:34.17 | mortalman | -o umask=? |
| 10:34.26 | poncha | jm_, a lot of i/o errors :( |
| 10:34.30 | CosmoDad | directhex|work: you mean acpi? and what exactly do you mean? |
| 10:35.02 | jm_ | poncha: right, fucked up disk it seems |
| 10:35.10 | poncha | seems so :( |
| 10:35.11 | jm_ | mortalman: that's for reading it, not for mounting it |
| 10:35.22 | mortalman | I got that part. |
| 10:35.34 | mortalman | but what should the umask be? |
| 10:35.42 | poncha | can i force badbklocks scan on whole device and not partition somehow ? |
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| 10:35.49 | jm_ | mortalman: whatever is applicable, see also uid/gid options |
| 10:35.54 | jm_ | Guerin: http://conkeror.mozdev.org/ |
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| 10:36.05 | lestest | hi there I have a front/rear printer, and I want to print documents with two pages per face (4 pages for sheet). When I make my document with psnup I display it correctly, but when I print it I got the back pages upside-down. Is it possible to give some lpr options in ordet to overcome this? |
| 10:36.17 | jm_ | Guerin: but it seems it still requires X, just no mouse |
| 10:36.22 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:36.36 | Guerin | It also strives to behave as much like Emacs as possible. |
| 10:36.37 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 10:36.41 | jm_ | yeah |
| 10:36.48 | mortalman | I don't know what is applicable. can't I do umask=* ? heh |
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| 10:37.01 | jm_ | lestest: you should be able to control this with CUPS |
| 10:37.16 | jm_ | mortalman: do you know the meaning of umask on Unix systems? |
| 10:37.40 | Guerin | You should never have to reach for your mouse. To make sure Conkeror remains pure, I do not own a mouse. # classic |
| 10:37.45 | mortalman | jm_: User mask? I have no idea. |
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| 10:38.46 | lestest | jm_: should I set Double-Sided Printing to short edge? |
| 10:38.46 | PerKlunk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nfRtSd17.html |
| 10:38.47 | jm_ | mortalman: so maybe read about it first |
| 10:39.05 | PerKlunk | Is there a reason kernel-source doesn't dump a bzip file to /usr/src when I apt-get it? |
| 10:39.10 | PerKlunk | in sid |
| 10:39.17 | jm_ | lestest: I usually use long-edge, but it's up to you |
| 10:39.19 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: diskspace? |
| 10:39.19 | mortalman | jm_: Would, man fstab provides nil. Suggested man? |
| 10:39.25 | Guerin | PerKlunk: yes. |
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| 10:39.32 | PerKlunk | no, diskspace is fine |
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| 10:39.34 | Guerin | PerKlunk: should put it in cwd |
| 10:39.41 | tarzeau | Guerin: no |
| 10:39.45 | Guerin | no? |
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| 10:39.51 | Guerin | has done for me |
| 10:39.52 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's a binary source package |
| 10:39.54 | lestest | jm_: can that be the option to print my docs correctly? |
| 10:40.01 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: apt-get install, right? |
| 10:40.04 | paulswm | mortalman: man mount and man builtins (for umask), also the debian reference manual. |
| 10:40.06 | Guerin | ohh |
| 10:40.12 | jm_ | mortalman: it's not in man fstab, it's man umask |
| 10:40.25 | jm_ | lestest: well experiment with it and see |
| 10:40.26 | Guerin | bah, I'm sure it's put them in cwd for me |
| 10:40.28 | questionmark | hi everybody, a nice and gray summersky from southern sweden :S |
| 10:40.33 | PerKlunk | tarzeau: yes |
| 10:40.36 | Guerin | questionmark: got lightning? |
| 10:40.39 | PerKlunk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nfRtSd17.html |
| 10:40.44 | PerKlunk | tarzeau: go to that link |
| 10:40.48 | questionmark | Guerin: nah.. |
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| 10:41.11 | Guerin | questionmark: you can have some of korea's. we got plenty. |
| 10:41.20 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: your mirror is not official |
| 10:41.23 | PerKlunk | I jsut did apt-get remove kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 10:41.23 | Guerin | questionmark: i'm just waiting for the power to go out again :) |
| 10:41.26 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: telnet linuks.mine.nu for an official one |
| 10:41.28 | PerKlunk | I think this might fix it. |
| 10:41.29 | questionmark | Guerin: thanks mate, but i think i'll pass |
| 10:41.44 | PerKlunk | hmm |
| 10:41.48 | PerKlunk | My mirror isn't official? |
| 10:41.53 | PerKlunk | rutgers.edu |
| 10:42.04 | questionmark | Guerin: only if i had my camera, the one i have been waiting for so long :( |
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| 10:42.32 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: official ones end with debian.org in the domain name |
| 10:42.47 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: but that's probably not the problem |
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| 10:42.56 | questionmark | btw people, i have a question regarding to using a wireless printer under our beloved Debian |
| 10:43.01 | Guerin | questionmark: i' m never fast enough to shoot lightning |
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| 10:43.13 | questionmark | has anyone used HP 5850? |
| 10:43.14 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: it just was alarming, since i've also seen non-free and contrib in your sources.list |
| 10:43.16 | Guerin | questionmark: my camera only does 60 second exposures |
| 10:43.20 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 10:43.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:43.21 | mortalman | grrr, man umask does not exist, nothing found at tldp.org howtos, nothing in man mount or in man fstab. Where is info on mounting a windows drive and allowing it to be accessed? |
| 10:43.31 | questionmark | Guerin: me neither, but one can always try ;) |
| 10:43.36 | Guerin | !vfatrw |
| 10:43.36 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 10:43.39 | Guerin | hehe |
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| 10:44.10 | tarzeau | mortalman: install manpages-dev |
| 10:44.15 | tarzeau | mortalman: and read your $SHELL manual page |
| 10:44.31 | paulswm | mortalman: I already told you tha umask is in the builtins manpage |
| 10:44.40 | questionmark | Guerin: are you into photography? |
| 10:44.44 | PerKlunk | http://www.nl.debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 10:44.48 | PerKlunk | rutgers.edu is listed tarzeau |
| 10:44.55 | PerKlunk | It's still not an official mirror? |
| 10:45.00 | mortalman | umask=222 == r-xr-xr-x ? |
| 10:45.06 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: but that doesn't make it official |
| 10:45.12 | jshriver | how do you get the user list window in xchat visible? |
| 10:45.20 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: only the primary ones are really good |
| 10:45.36 | PerKlunk | Where is the list of the primary ones |
| 10:45.53 | jshriver | nvm found it thanks |
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| 10:45.56 | kjparker | jshriver, drag it across... |
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| 10:46.09 | Guerin | mortalman: yes. |
| 10:46.29 | Guerin | questionmark: i am, but i'm shit at it. |
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| 10:46.36 | questionmark | :) |
| 10:46.39 | questionmark | cmon |
| 10:46.52 | questionmark | Guerin: what happened to your understanding of self-esteem? |
| 10:46.53 | questionmark | :) |
| 10:47.06 | paulswm | It would have been simple to just set the umask and touch then ls a file to test it, but, nooo, that's yoo much thinking |
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| 10:47.13 | Guerin | oh, i got plenty of that. but I also know when i'm technically weak at something :) |
| 10:47.14 | ep | omg, apt-get install kdesdk installs the kitchensync! |
| 10:47.16 | paulswm | s/yoo/too/ |
| 10:47.44 | mortalman | Doh, didn't work. Will try later or break it. |
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| 10:47.59 | questionmark | Guerin: how long have u been into photography? |
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| 10:48.25 | paulswm | questionmark: Don't believe Guerin, look... |
| 10:48.27 | paulswm | !qotd84 |
| 10:48.27 | dpkg | somebody said qotd84 was <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
| 10:48.27 | Guerin | questionmark: well, I studied at film school, but it was mostly theory. A couple or four years. |
| 10:48.55 | paulswm | Guerin: j/k, couldn't resist |
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| 10:49.02 | Guerin | questionmark: but the golden rule of photography is shoot, shoot shoot.... and I don't take anything like enough pictures to have actually gotten anything good. |
| 10:49.10 | Guerin | paulswm: ne'er a truer word spoken. |
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| 10:49.40 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: http://www.debian.org/mirror/official |
| 10:49.41 | paulswm | Guerin: But you are a l33t master :) |
| 10:49.47 | tarzeau | PerKlunk: these are official |
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| 10:50.02 | questionmark | paulswm: hey mate, is there an FAQ or something i can getto know of on line commands for irc? (not used to irc clients :S ) |
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| 10:50.44 | Guerin | questionmark: irc clients vary a bit. |
| 10:51.08 | yam | having problems with snmp5 on sarge |
| 10:51.23 | yam | no way I can config it, been running snmpd4 for years |
| 10:51.57 | questionmark | Guerin: a-ha :| |
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| 10:52.43 | jm_ | yam: it's very similar |
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| 10:53.07 | yam | jm_: same config file doesnt work :D |
| 10:53.09 | questionmark | btw repeating my question, is there anybody here who has any idea how to use a wireless printer? |
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| 10:53.22 | yam | and seems the sarge package ignore /etc/snmp |
| 10:53.28 | jm_ | yam: use the default and modify it |
| 10:53.43 | jm_ | yam: it doesn't ignore it, it has default config files there |
| 10:54.15 | yam | jm: really? changes there doesnt affect, I need to go to /usr/share/snmp |
| 10:54.40 | jm_ | yam: it sure worked for me |
| 10:54.58 | yam | sarge too? |
| 10:55.09 | jm_ | yup |
| 10:55.20 | yam | weird |
| 10:55.28 | yam | i've already spent some hours with it |
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| 10:55.40 | yam | have a big snmp setup here in my servers, switching to snmp5 |
| 10:55.53 | yam | because its shipped on sarge |
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| 10:56.48 | lonewolff | hey, is there a debian package for apache2 mod rewrite? i cant seem to find one |
| 10:57.02 | bob2 | isn't it included in apache2? |
| 10:57.02 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:57.02 | dpkg | <jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ? |
| 10:57.27 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:57.44 | tarzeau | Guerin: gnome users aren't only sadists |
| 10:57.51 | lonewolff | bob2: thats would explain things, oops |
| 10:57.55 | ep | On apt-get install the package kdevelop is missing. however the kdesdk-scripts package replaces is. And that ladies and gentleman is already installed (the latest version). Still no IDE (kdevelop) to be found. Wtf? |
| 10:57.58 | Guerin | tarzeau: aargh! recursive gnomeloop! |
| 10:58.12 | lonewolff | bob2: thanx, im still in apache 1 mode lol |
| 10:58.19 | tarzeau | Guerin: play more nethack, kill more gnomes |
| 10:58.24 | bob2 | heh |
| 10:58.26 | jm_ | yam: what is your problem? |
| 10:59.11 | Guerin | !find bin/kdevelop |
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| 10:59.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/kdevelop' (1): (/usr/bin/{kdevelop-htdig|kdevelop3}) in kde/kdevelop3. |
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| 10:59.36 | Guerin | !find bin/kdevelop sarge |
| 10:59.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/kdevelop' (1): (/usr/bin/{kdevelop-htdig|kdevelop3}) in kde/kdevelop3. |
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| 11:00.17 | Skiver | can i play wma with xmms ? |
| 11:00.26 | tarzeau | Skiver: no imho |
| 11:00.27 | questionmark | Skiver: not that i know.. :S |
| 11:00.30 | yam | jm_: seems like changes to config doesnt affect, but Im not sure whats happening |
| 11:00.38 | Guerin | yes, it's possible |
| 11:00.48 | tarzeau | Skiver: what says file your.wma ? |
| 11:01.03 | Guerin | there's a wma plugin on rarewares at least |
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| 11:01.45 | fd00j8 | hi |
| 11:01.46 | jm_ | yam: did you change how scripts start snmpd? |
| 11:01.51 | yam | default config file allows public access, but anyway snmpwalk doesnt show anything |
| 11:01.58 | yam | jm: nah |
| 11:02.00 | lewis | if the kernel panics and has crashed, does it still write to the logs while it is in 'panic state'? |
| 11:02.16 | fd00j8 | bye |
| 11:02.21 | jm_ | yam: default only include system view, not all |
| 11:02.35 | jm_ | lewis: that depends on type of panic and where it occurs |
| 11:03.37 | Skiver | Thanks Guerin. |
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| 11:03.57 | Skiver | and tarzeau, questionmark. |
| 11:04.21 | questionmark | Skiver: np |
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| 11:04.43 | lewis | jm_: I am trying to investigate why my machine might've crashed. It has happened once before about 10 days ago, and beforehand was up for 400 days. I still have log times after all services were unresponsive. |
| 11:05.26 | questionmark | btw, please would somebody declare any idea about a printer problem (summary: HP 5850, trying to run it wireless on our home network, having problems connecting to the printer, i guess the problem is the URI) |
| 11:05.28 | ep | thx, apt-get install kdevelop doesn't work but apt-get install kdevelop3 does the trick! It seems like the first should work, next time I'll do a apt-cache search kdevelop first! |
| 11:05.31 | jm_ | lewis: did you check console output when it crashed? |
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| 11:06.23 | lewis | jm_: it is a remote machine. I checked it the last time (10 days ago), and I don't think I copied anything useful down, just stuff the bottom two lines which were 'aieeeee - etc' |
| 11:06.40 | jm_ | lewis: aieee means bad things |
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| 11:07.28 | paulswm | questionmark: Sorry, was afk, for IRC commands you could start at http://www.irchelp.org/ but Guerin's right, IRC clients vary in their capabilities re config and scripting, etc |
| 11:07.39 | lewis | i have an interesting bit of code in kern.log from early this morning, which I am going to pastebin. |
| 11:07.51 | yam | jm: in snmp4 i was defining communities as this: |
| 11:07.57 | nottu | is there something like multiport, but for ip address in iptables ? |
| 11:07.59 | yam | jm: com2sec lan 192.168.0.250/32 samplecommunity |
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| 11:08.10 | questionmark | paulswm: thanks mate |
| 11:08.13 | positrix | how do i purge the config of packages i no longer have installed? |
| 11:08.35 | paulswm | questionmark: you're welcome |
| 11:08.59 | Guerin | positrix: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' |xargs dpkg -P |
| 11:09.07 | lewis | jm_: http://pastebin.com/293210 - it looks bad, though I can't decipher it. |
| 11:09.07 | jm_ | yam: forget about that, edit the config file |
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| 11:09.23 | yam | jm: ok... im on it |
| 11:09.34 | jm_ | yam: find access MyROSystem, check read column |
| 11:09.35 | paulswm | Guerin: See, that lil script si teh unsuck |
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| 11:09.47 | squidink | I'm trying to set up firewall running 2.2.19 to forward GRE so as to use PPTP on a machine inside the network. I've been using ipmasq for firewall and masq rules. Any ideas what I need to do for GRE? |
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| 11:10.17 | jm_ | lewis: doesn't look like a complete log, something must have scrolled off the screen, but yeah, it looks bad |
| 11:10.28 | Guerin | paulswm: i may not know how to program in any language, but I know a few awk oneliners... |
| 11:11.10 | lewis | it mentions process spamd |
| 11:11.13 | jm_ | lewis: try to search the net and check if someone else had the same, otherwise you'd have to ask on LKML |
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| 11:11.38 | jm_ | lews;yeah, that process was trying to write something to disk I'd say |
| 11:11.49 | jm_ | or read from it |
| 11:11.53 | Skiver | hmm, it's listed in the page, but it's not available via apt. |
| 11:12.22 | lewis | ok - any idea which line is best to search for? |
| 11:12.32 | lewis | (i.e. most identifying to my problem) |
| 11:12.37 | paulswm | Guerin: Programming's easy if you're a developer, you just get it to compile clean, run a few obvious tests and implemnt it, then it's application support's problem, not that I'm at all bitter or anything :) |
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| 11:12.54 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:12.56 | jm_ | lewis: some hints -- http://resource.intel.com/telecom/support/tnotes/tnbyos/2000/tn062.htm |
| 11:12.58 | lestest | jm_: the cups option worked |
| 11:13.07 | jm_ | lestest: yeah, it's very useful |
| 11:13.13 | Quozl | Help. Xen, on Sid, "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs" ... http://pastebin.com/293213 |
| 11:13.23 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 11:13.23 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 11:13.32 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:13.32 | dpkg | hmm... qotd84 is <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
| 11:13.37 | lestest | jm_: just in case you are intrested you can pass it to cups also with the -osides=two-sided-short-edge option |
| 11:13.40 | Guerin | again! |
| 11:13.44 | tarzeau | i think the random for qotd0 is broken |
| 11:13.45 | jm_ | lewis: EFLAGS journal_get_write_access ext3_reserve_inode_write |
| 11:13.48 | paulswm | Hehe |
| 11:13.49 | tarzeau | it's really bad, like xmms |
| 11:13.50 | Guerin | ... or is that 'still'? |
| 11:13.54 | Quozl | Guerin: initrd is setup, thanks. |
| 11:13.56 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:13.56 | dpkg | < bouncing> This is not a Debian question, but you guys probably use Thinkpads... :) Can I take apart a thinkpad screen and literally remove an insect? < greycat> hahaha |
| 11:14.24 | lestest | thankz jm_, bye all |
| 11:14.24 | jm_ | lestest: I usually use xpp if I need such unusual options ;) |
| 11:14.24 | paulswm | That's a good one |
| 11:14.24 | lestest | xpp? |
| 11:14.24 | Guerin | Quozl: beats me then. I know about kernels, but not xen :) |
| 11:14.24 | jm_ | yeah, apt-cache show xpp |
| 11:14.24 | PerKlunk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6UFgOl97.html |
| 11:14.34 | lestest | lokking at |
| 11:14.35 | lestest | :) |
| 11:14.38 | lestest | thankz bye |
| 11:14.40 | Guerin | wow, what a quality qotd |
| 11:14.42 | tarzeau | Guerin: which quote number was that? |
| 11:14.44 | Quozl | Guerin: no worries, thanks. |
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| 11:15.05 | Guerin | tarzeau: I dunno. the thing is that some peopls make them with <reply>, which obscures the number |
| 11:15.08 | paulswm | Guerin: Talk about a hardware bug :) |
| 11:15.26 | Guerin | the first bug, revisited in a thinkpad |
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| 11:15.28 | hdkiller__ | ergh |
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| 11:15.48 | hdkiller__ | how can be exim4-daemon-light HAVE guntls builtin, and exim4-daemon-heavy NOT ? |
| 11:15.59 | paulswm | tarzeau: it's qotd118 |
| 11:16.08 | petemc | hdkiller__: daemon heavy does |
| 11:16.13 | Guerin | !famous last words |
| 11:16.13 | dpkg | it has been said that flw30 is <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
| 11:16.20 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 11:16.25 | lewis | jm: thanks - looking now |
| 11:16.25 | hdkiller__ | hm, so exim4-daemon-heavy patch on EDITME depends on path of the -light? |
| 11:16.31 | Guerin | no, that's SENSIBLE |
| 11:16.33 | hdkiller__ | s,path,patch |
| 11:16.37 | petemc | hdkiller__: huh? exim -bV |
| 11:16.45 | hdkiller__ | ok, sorry :> i just read the sources.. |
| 11:16.51 | paulswm | !qotd81 |
| 11:16.51 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> kinema: Always back up your data. <kinema> ricky_clarkson: interesting idea. i think i'll do that. |
| 11:17.09 | hdkiller__ | so EDITME patched with EDITME.exim4-light.diff then EDITME.exim4-heavy.diff ? |
| 11:17.25 | hdkiller__ | when building heavy.. |
| 11:17.28 | Guerin | !backups |
| 11:17.29 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other me's in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other me's in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 11:17.46 | Guerin | sxp gets to lecture people about backups ALL THE TIME |
| 11:18.14 | SlayerXP | it's my hobby |
| 11:18.14 | PeTeRB | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.19 | paulswm | !qotd86 |
| 11:18.19 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 11:18.29 | Quozl | rotfl. |
| 11:18.36 | paulswm | *That*'s when you need a backup |
| 11:18.39 | tarzeau | ouf! |
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| 11:18.45 | BriajWrk | hi |
| 11:18.47 | tarzeau | paulswm: definitely |
| 11:19.30 | chealer | hehehe |
| 11:19.32 | Guerin | that's the best shit. |
| 11:19.37 | chealer | as root :) |
| 11:19.51 | Guerin | !best qotd is <reply>see qotd86 |
| 11:19.51 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 11:20.16 | streuner | dpkg, best qotd |
| 11:20.16 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 11:20.28 | paulswm | Or if you listened to this guy maybe... |
| 11:20.30 | paulswm | !qotd71 |
| 11:20.30 | dpkg | i heard qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
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| 11:20.35 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:20.38 | tarzeau | haha |
| 11:20.44 | tarzeau | sucks for /var/www |
| 11:21.03 | Guerin | that's why so many webservers have an index as their default... |
| 11:23.10 | Skiver | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.21 | Skiver | is this a valid apt source list entry ? |
| 11:23.21 | questionmark | anybody knows what URI is, and how/where can i find the right setting for my (wireless) printer? |
| 11:23.47 | TinoW | questionmark: URI= uniform resource identifier - see w3c |
| 11:23.48 | jm_ | questionmark: read the docs for it and print the page with its configuration |
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| 11:24.06 | tarzeau | Skiver: sure |
| 11:24.21 | questionmark | TinoW: w3c? |
| 11:24.22 | tarzeau | Skiver: i've got one like that too, telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 11:24.26 | Quozl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URI |
| 11:24.34 | TinoW | questionmark: http://www.w3c.org/ |
| 11:24.44 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:24.45 | dpkg | qotd54 is probably <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
| 11:24.50 | paulswm | o.O |
| 11:25.01 | tarzeau | i wonder what he really got 10 inches of |
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| 11:25.22 | directhex|work | burrito! |
| 11:26.27 | paulswm | I don't think I care to speculate on that one |
| 11:26.34 | Guerin | yummeh |
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| 11:27.27 | Skiver | guys, what does it mean by sarge is frozen ? that we don't get any update from now on ? |
| 11:27.53 | PeTeRB | Skiver: /msg dpkg frozen |
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| 11:28.51 | nottu | how can i read the exit status of iptables ? |
| 11:29.08 | Quozl | nottu: iptables ; echo $? |
| 11:29.10 | jm_ | nottu: the same as for any other command |
| 11:29.20 | Quozl | nottu: iptables && echo it worked |
| 11:29.28 | scarface | I am now remotely via RealVNC on my debian machine. my gkrellm monitors show me, that my primary hdd load is pretty high. any way to reduce that? |
| 11:29.30 | Quozl | nottu: iptables || echo it broke |
| 11:29.45 | Quozl | scarface: umount it. |
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| 11:29.59 | scarface | Quozl: very funny... |
| 11:30.17 | Quozl | scarface: it really depends on what is causing the load; e.g. if it's 6am, it's updatedb and friends. |
| 11:30.26 | nottu | jm_: how ? |
| 11:30.36 | Quozl | xen help needed on sid, http://pastebin.com/293213 |
| 11:30.38 | jm_ | nottu: see above |
| 11:31.09 | scarface | Quozl: where can I see, what is causing the load? the cpu is pretty low at max 10% |
| 11:31.28 | nottu | Quozl: iptables && echo did not return the exit status |
| 11:31.28 | Quozl | scarface: once you find out what processes are hitting the disk, you decide what to do; e.g. "ps axf" would show a tree of 'em. |
| 11:31.39 | Quozl | nottu: it does so, just that your shell isn't printing it. |
| 11:31.54 | nottu | then how do i see it ? |
| 11:31.55 | tarzeau | scarface: ps -auxwww |grep D |
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| 11:32.05 | Quozl | nottu: to print the exit status of a command given to bash, echo $? |
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| 11:32.22 | tarzeau | scarface: got enough memory? dma is on ? |
| 11:32.36 | Quozl | nottu: the && construct means "test the exit status of the previous command, and if it was successful then execute the next command", hence iptables && echo ok |
| 11:32.46 | Quozl | nottu: you can find && documented in man bash. |
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| 11:33.07 | nottu | Quozl: thanx |
| 11:33.12 | mampolo | helloooooooo |
| 11:33.29 | Quozl | scarface: depending on the version of gkrellm, you might be seeing disk i/o for other block devices as well. |
| 11:33.56 | mampolo | wenas |
| 11:34.45 | scarface | tarzeau: well it dropped me out 3 processes running, like to look at it in flood? |
| 11:34.47 | mampolo | wenas a todos!!!!!!!! |
| 11:35.00 | streuner | troll somewhere else |
| 11:35.13 | PerKlunk | How can I extract the files from a deb file? |
| 11:35.15 | PerKlunk | But not install them |
| 11:35.20 | jethro | !irritate mampolo |
| 11:35.21 | dpkg | mampolo: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh edonkey ????? |
| 11:35.21 | streuner | ar x |
| 11:35.36 | PerKlunk | lol |
| 11:35.37 | mampolo | whyyy |
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| 11:35.44 | mampolo | juas i am spain xDDDD |
| 11:35.49 | streuner | PerKlunk: man dpkg (-x) option |
| 11:35.50 | jethro | PerKlunk: man ar |
| 11:35.54 | streuner | !es |
| 11:35.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:36.04 | mampolo | juas |
| 11:36.26 | mampolo | the Betis is the championnss |
| 11:36.30 | mampolo | jjaja |
| 11:36.42 | streuner | ah, Sevilla? |
| 11:36.46 | jethro | mampolo: shut up already |
| 11:36.47 | Quozl | scarface: they aren't process state D, that's just chance that the D showed up in commands; looks like none of your processes are stalled waiting for disk. |
| 11:36.59 | PerKlunk | streuner / jethro http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6UFgOl97.html |
| 11:37.05 | jethro | !ops mampolo soccer troll |
| 11:37.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mampolo soccer troll |
| 11:37.12 | mampolo | sorry i am spainn |
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| 11:37.24 | scarface | Quozl: but what is causing this high hda load? |
| 11:37.25 | jethro | thanks bob2 |
| 11:37.32 | tarzeau | scarface: no you can paste it here |
| 11:37.43 | PerKlunk | I'm using this guide.... http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html but I get some error. |
| 11:37.50 | Quozl | tarzeau: i saw it pasted in #flood, there were no D processes. |
| 11:38.21 | Quozl | scarface: well, generally you have to be familiar with every process ... there doesn't seem a way to find which processes are causing lots of disk I/O, unless they are stalling due to it. |
| 11:39.03 | jethro | PerKlunk: I don't use fglrx, and never did. can't help you |
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| 11:39.36 | scarface | Quozl: well I dont know how it would be if i'd connect to my X session locally, but now that I am remotely on it, I could think of the vncserver to cause it |
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| 11:39.55 | Quozl | scarface: no, vncserver by itself would not, unless you are very short on memory. |
| 11:40.07 | scarface | Quozl: although the net load is pretty low |
| 11:40.43 | scarface | Quozl: hmm then I dont really now what else it could be? there is noone else on this machine |
| 11:40.43 | Quozl | scarface: another way to guess; "ps axu", then look for high PU users; they *might* also be high disk users. |
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| 11:41.06 | Quozl | scarface: crontab jobs are a common cause of this. What is the local time on the host? |
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| 11:41.50 | Quozl | scarface: also "ps axf" and look for children of cron. |
| 11:41.52 | questionmark | uhm, hi again, well i read through the links some friends gave to me, and took a network settings page printout from the printer, but still i fail to see what i should set the URi setting to |
| 11:41.53 | questionmark | :S |
| 11:41.59 | casper | SLM |
| 11:42.00 | scarface | Quozl: check out flood |
| 11:42.08 | questionmark | it's not the same thing with IP adress isn't it? |
| 11:42.30 | bob2 | abcde is so amazingly cool |
| 11:42.37 | Quozl | scarface: noted, that process will always show up as busy because you're using it to get the ps output. ;-) you can probably ignore it. |
| 11:42.37 | bob2 | why didn't y'all tell me about it years ago? |
| 11:43.01 | jm_ | ehh? I have mentioned it here many times, and I bugged the author about some weird bugs as well |
| 11:43.14 | Quozl | bob2: well, i didn't know about it ... but then i make my own music. quozl.linux.org.au/tonality/ for the oggs. ;-} |
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| 11:43.21 | bob2 | hah, cool |
| 11:43.36 | bob2 | jm_: you should have said "bob2, USE abcde, you idiot." |
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| 11:43.39 | bob2 | Quozl: what style? |
| 11:43.42 | scarface | Quozl: hehe alright ;-) local time is aeh 1:43pm ... uptime almost 2hrs |
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| 11:44.06 | Quozl | bob2: elevator music? latest inspired by dimrill dale on TLOTR, after the bridge music, same chording. |
| 11:44.08 | jm_ | bob2: we always recommend it when people ask about ripping tools ;) |
| 11:44.12 | bob2 | haha |
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| 11:44.55 | Quozl | scarface: so that makes it unlikely that it's the overnight cron jobs that annoy the heck out of so many people. ;-) |
| 11:45.12 | bcole | does anyone know how to disable a mouse pointer in x or better yet, disable the mouse completely? |
| 11:45.13 | Quozl | scarface: had a friend whinge that the updatedb at 6:xx AM used to wake him up. |
| 11:45.39 | Quozl | bcole: yes, unplug, remove driver, change inode in /dev, or XF86Config mouse settings disabled. |
| 11:45.42 | jm_ | bcole: apt-get install unclutter |
| 11:45.45 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:45.45 | dpkg | <ananke> erps : here. let me rub my crystal ball. <erps> ananke, awesome, can I borrow that? :) <ananke> erps : nope. company policy, we can't give away our crystall balls. <erps> ahhh :( But I assume you let special people rub them for you? <ananke> erps : you're not that special |
| 11:46.01 | Quozl | bcole: most people don't want to do that; why do you want to? might be a better way. |
| 11:46.06 | lewis | jm_: bah - i think things may be a file system problem - perhaps an ext3 bug, not sure... |
| 11:46.22 | bcole | quozl: because i have no mouse |
| 11:46.34 | Quozl | bcole: unclutter then. ;-) |
| 11:46.37 | scarface | Quozl: lol ... well I just see that the gkrellm indicates a *load* of max 800k on that disk? is that high or *normal* |
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| 11:46.49 | jm_ | lewis: it's not a fs problem if you're getting hardware problems (dmesg|egrep 'error|status') |
| 11:46.52 | rituraj | hey |
| 11:47.07 | rituraj | the site page stil says the release date is 30th May |
| 11:47.15 | rituraj | somebody needs to change it |
| 11:47.24 | Quozl | scarface: dunno. what kernel version? i've another idea. |
| 11:47.24 | rituraj | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 11:47.25 | jethro | rituraj: file a bug report |
| 11:47.33 | torgrimt_ | anyone had experience with mailmans qrunner prosess eating up enourmous amounts of memory on sarge? |
| 11:47.48 | scarface | 2.4.30 on a p2/400, 192ram |
| 11:47.53 | lewis | jm_: no error lines are produced, and only one status is produced (ethernet up) |
| 11:47.56 | Quozl | torgrimt_: yeah, last time i had a mail loop. ;-} |
| 11:48.05 | Quozl | scarface: do you have /proc/diskstats? |
| 11:48.23 | torgrimt_ | Quozl: interesting ;) did you use exim4? |
| 11:48.24 | Quozl | scarface: if so, "watch -d grep hda /proc/diskstats" |
| 11:48.33 | Quozl | torgrimt_: no, exim3. |
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| 11:48.40 | lewis | http://pastebin.com/293210 - i searched the debian mailing list too.... |
| 11:48.45 | Nigel | debian used to use a boot floppy based installation? |
| 11:48.49 | Quozl | torgrimt_: haven't bothered with exim4 on that host yet. |
| 11:48.54 | jm_ | lewis: ahh wait, I have confused you with another person - yes, it might be it's a fs problem or there are other issues (RAM) - have you tested that? there's a great hardware check list on kernelplanet.org right now. How about google, has it found anything? |
| 11:48.59 | Nigel | hmmm imagine full sarge on boot floppys |
| 11:49.05 | torgrimt_ | Quozl: also noticed from smtplog that it uses about 20sek to delever 10-15 emails. and smtp is localhost |
| 11:49.08 | Guerin | Nigel: as did all OSen before cdroms |
| 11:49.11 | Quozl | http://pastebin.com/293213 help wanted on Xen with Sid |
| 11:49.27 | scarface | Quozl: no I dont have a /pro/diskstats |
| 11:49.28 | Nigel | Guerin: true, but i'm just thinking of like 10G/1.4M |
| 11:49.33 | chealer | if there's a bug in http://www.debian.org/security/ I should report it to security.debian.org, or www.debian.org? |
| 11:49.38 | Guerin | thankfully, they're all before my time... my amigaos came preinstalled |
| 11:49.53 | Nigel | chealer: www.debian.org |
| 11:49.55 | Guerin | chealer: the website? |
| 11:49.55 | torgrimt_ | Quozl: cant figure this one out, having big issues with it now. qrunner eating 800 of 1024 mb. then it does a lot of iowaits and basicly making the system useless |
| 11:49.58 | lewis | i searched google for 'Assertion failure in do_get_write_access" and a few redhat people found errors, and I think were suggested to get kernel updates to fix certain ext3 bugs. |
| 11:50.14 | torgrimt_ | Quozl: any tips would be higlighy thankfull ;) |
| 11:50.17 | jm_ | lewis: yay |
| 11:50.19 | Quozl | scarface: dunno then, sorry. but general strategy is to know your processes, and identify which ones are active. |
| 11:50.19 | chealer | thanks Nigel |
| 11:50.30 | chealer | Guerin: yes it's on the website |
| 11:50.54 | jethro | chealer: what is the bug? |
| 11:51.20 | Quozl | torgrimt_: sorry, nearly 10pm, brain halt imminent. maybe you hit a scaling design issue on mailman. i don't get many posts (20/wk) on my lists. |
| 11:51.22 | lewis | jm_: so it could either be an old kernel (using 2.4.18-bf2.4) or memory problem?> |
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| 11:51.54 | jm_ | lewis: yes, I'd try with latest kernel first |
| 11:52.11 | torgrimt_ | Quozl: its not to busy, delevering maby 2-3000 mails a day |
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| 11:52.22 | tarzeau | is there FreeBSD fans/users here? |
| 11:52.22 | Quozl | lewis: i've reviewed your oops, i'd also not exclude disk data issue. e.g. metadata corruption from event long ago. |
| 11:52.34 | torgrimt_ | Quozl: makes me think of maby its putting the mbox files into memory when appending them for archival.. |
| 11:52.50 | jethro | tarzeau: yes |
| 11:52.54 | lewis | Quozl: i am pretty sure it was an aieeee. What would you suggest I do? |
| 11:52.55 | tarzeau | jethro: Could you also sign this wiki page? http://wiki.debian.net/?kfreebsdgnu |
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| 11:53.16 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:53.16 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
| 11:53.16 | Quozl | torgrimt_: check bugs.debian.org/mailman then in case someone else noticed. |
| 11:53.23 | tarzeau | hahaha |
| 11:53.27 | torgrimt_ | Quozl: thanks. |
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| 11:55.13 | Guerin | chealer: yeah, www should get the bug |
| 11:55.38 | jethro | tarzeau: sure |
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| 11:57.25 | lewis | jm_: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/ext3-users/2002-May/msg00053.html |
| 11:57.43 | jm_ | lewis: that's rather old, just like 2.4.18 kernel from Woody |
| 11:58.50 | tarzeau | jethro: great! |
| 11:58.59 | lewis | i am using a 2.4.18 woody kernel, but had dist-upgraded to testing. I am thinking about installing: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 (P4 system) |
| 11:59.09 | questionmark | hi again ppl, i need a bit more help in terms of URI setting for the printer |
| 11:59.12 | questionmark | Description: |
| 11:59.12 | questionmark | Location: 10.0.1.2 |
| 11:59.12 | questionmark | Printer State: idle,accepting jobs. |
| 11:59.12 | questionmark | "Network host '10.0.1.2' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
| 11:59.12 | questionmark | Device URI: http://10.0.1.2:631/ipp/ |
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| 12:00.13 | streuner | questionmark: /msg dpkg flood |
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| 12:01.07 | streuner | questionmark: /msg dpkg flood |
| 12:01.17 | streuner | questionmark: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
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| 12:02.46 | tpr | anyone experienced with laptop pcmcia wlan card? :) |
| 12:03.04 | TinoW | tpr: doing statistics? ;) |
| 12:03.05 | streuner | tpr: sent it to me! |
| 12:03.09 | questionmark | tpr: what's the problem? |
| 12:03.52 | jethro | tarzeau: done |
| 12:03.55 | tpr | not as much a problem as inexperience, im about to upgrade (again) my laptop kernel from 2.4 to 2.6.8 and just wondering if I should take care of something at this point before I attempt to install wlan :p |
| 12:04.10 | tarzeau | jethro: thanks! |
| 12:04.16 | tpr | streuner: sure if you wire some $$$ for me first :D |
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| 12:04.37 | lewis | jm_: I will probably update the kernel, but why would I only start having problems now? |
| 12:04.46 | TinoW | tpr: well, this haevily depends on your card :) |
| 12:05.07 | jm_ | lewis: that's beyond me, it would probably take one of the ext3 developers to answer your question |
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| 12:05.15 | questionmark | tpr: using madwifi+ |
| 12:05.16 | questionmark | ? |
| 12:05.22 | tpr | TinoW: 3com 3CRPAG175 ;) |
| 12:05.40 | tpr | questionmark: I googled some and yea I think madwifi was the one to try for this card |
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| 12:05.48 | tpr | havent tried yet though, want to upgrade the kernel first |
| 12:05.52 | questionmark | tpr: which card do you use? |
| 12:05.56 | lewis | jm_: are there any other steps that you recommend I take, other than updating the kernel? |
| 12:06.04 | tpr | questionmark: 3com 3CRPAG175 |
| 12:06.14 | jm_ | lewis: well memtest might be in order |
| 12:06.16 | questionmark | hmm |
| 12:06.45 | tpr | I dont even know if I've set up the pcmcia slot correctly |
| 12:06.59 | streuner | bonjour jethro |
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| 12:07.08 | questionmark | tpr: does your card function, lights blinking etc? |
| 12:07.18 | TinoW | tpr: I bets its even cardbus. Dont know if there are any pcmcia wlan cards existent |
| 12:07.22 | TinoW | -s |
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| 12:07.46 | tpr | TinoW: im not following..:p |
| 12:08.01 | questionmark | TinoW: u serious? |
| 12:08.01 | questionmark | :D |
| 12:09.07 | streuner | Somebody knows 'Eloy'? |
| 12:09.13 | lewis | jm_: ok thanks (any one out of memtest86, memtest86+ and memtester) - would a full fsck be in order too? |
| 12:09.25 | questionmark | btw will anyone please tell me anything helpful about this URI setting, i know this sounds stupid but so far i havent got any replies |
| 12:09.38 | streuner | questionmark: read the factoid i told you |
| 12:09.48 | streuner | !hpinkjet install |
| 12:09.48 | dpkg | well, hpinkjet install is http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php |
| 12:10.13 | streuner | questionmark: any result with 'lpinfo'? |
| 12:10.15 | jm_ | lewis: hmm probably memtest86+ |
| 12:10.42 | questionmark | streuner: phone, wait a bit |
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| 12:11.10 | streuner | questionmark: of course, i wait the whole afternoon till you are finish with your phone-call ;-) |
| 12:11.10 | fruers | Hey, is there a default password that is used when i enable ssh in the debian-installer? |
| 12:11.19 | questionmark | streuner: sorry mate |
| 12:11.24 | questionmark | i just hate rushing around |
| 12:11.26 | questionmark | anyways... |
| 12:11.28 | fruers | I left a box running at work but only set the password in the chroot :( |
| 12:11.41 | questionmark | streuner: i checked the w3c and wikipedia links |
| 12:11.58 | questionmark | it seems like it's something alike URL |
| 12:12.03 | lewis | jm_: thank you for all your help. |
| 12:12.04 | streuner | questionmark: are you using CUPS? |
| 12:12.12 | questionmark | streuner: jupp |
| 12:12.13 | streuner | questionmark: of course |
| 12:12.24 | streuner | questionmark: any result with lpinfo -v? |
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| 12:12.41 | questionmark | command not found :S |
| 12:12.44 | jm_ | lewis: no worries |
| 12:12.58 | streuner | questionmark: that make sense then... |
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| 12:13.21 | streuner | questionmark: look at the factoid and install enitre cups system first |
| 12:14.01 | questionmark | streuner: i think i already did, via apt-get |
| 12:14.09 | questionmark | btw which factoid do you refer to? |
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| 12:15.11 | streuner | !cups setup |
| 12:15.11 | dpkg | cups setup is, like, Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 12:15.35 | lewis | jm_: sorry - lastly, think it is worth running a full fsck, to see if there are any bad clusters/sectors that need to be fixed, or the journaling system that needs to be recovered? |
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| 12:15.54 | apache123 | hi, :), does anyone here know of a open source package that will analyse and graph netscreen syslog data? on debian or ubuntu |
| 12:15.54 | jm_ | lewis: be careful with that |
| 12:15.55 | streuner | knusper:/usr/bin# apt-file search lpinfo |
| 12:15.55 | streuner | cupsys-client: usr/sbin/lpinfo |
| 12:16.25 | lewis | ah - so it is better not to get into that. |
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| 12:16.46 | streuner | apache123: for apache? |
| 12:16.52 | jm_ | lewis: you can try it if you make a proper backup first, so that you know you can go back |
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| 12:17.04 | streuner | apache123: weblog analyzer? |
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| 12:17.41 | lewis | ok - thanks - just looking into whether I can run memtest86+ in console, or at system boot... |
| 12:17.44 | Lightnin | i am trying to do an install with kernel 2.6.8, there appears to be a bug with sata cdrom drives not being reconized. does anyone know if a newer kernel has this fixed? |
| 12:17.47 | questionmark | streuner: "knusper:/usr/bin# apt-file search lpinfo" i didnt get this one |
| 12:17.49 | jm_ | at boot |
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| 12:18.14 | streuner | questionmark: apt-get install cupsys-client |
| 12:18.18 | questionmark | i did that |
| 12:18.24 | lewis | bah - ok |
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| 12:19.05 | questionmark | streuner: lpinfp -v gave a list of "ports" maybe |
| 12:19.23 | jharrisonwk | mornign |
| 12:19.57 | streuner | questionmark: 1000 points |
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| 12:20.16 | questionmark | streuner: lol, and where to go from now? |
| 12:20.20 | Lightnin | morning jharrisonwk |
| 12:20.44 | streuner | questionmark: USB? |
| 12:20.55 | questionmark | streuner: wireless |
| 12:21.08 | jharrisonwk | r4ndy: you are 1337 |
| 12:21.22 | streuner | Are you learn-resistent? |
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| 12:22.50 | questionmark | streuner: nah i dont think so, well at least as long as people don't mind guiding.... anyways, if you still are interesting in helping out, i am getting this message on the cups page for the printer: "Network host '10.0.1.2' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
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| 12:24.42 | orjan | questionmark: iirc I once had that msg when the printer cable had accedently been pulled out |
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| 12:25.48 | Milan- | I have problems printing with cups : all jobs are instantly cancelled |
| 12:26.02 | questionmark | orjan: well the thing is there is no cable between the comp and the printer, and i know that the printer is properly connected to the network |
| 12:26.07 | jharrisonwk | Milan-: through the network? |
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| 12:26.30 | clojster | how can I setup per-user permissions in pure-ftpd-mysql? (erase, write, create directory etc?) is it even possible? (docs and man didn't help) |
| 12:26.33 | jharrisonwk | questionmark: your printer is connected to the network how? |
| 12:26.56 | apache123 | streuner: no for syslog data from netscreen firewalls |
| 12:27.15 | questionmark | jharrisonwk: via apple airport (wireless) |
| 12:27.16 | Milan- | jharrisonwk: no, local - I use it too from another computer, and it doesn't works better |
| 12:27.18 | streuner | apache123: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:27.32 | cahoot | Milan-: nothing useful in /var/log/cups/error_log? |
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| 12:28.23 | Milan- | cahoot: nothing intersting |
| 12:29.09 | Milan- | I saw somewhere that it could be a driver problem, but I apt-get install --reisntall all this stuff, and nothing |
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| 12:29.35 | xtension | !hi |
| 12:29.35 | dpkg | hello, xtension |
| 12:29.58 | cahoot | Milan-: I'd suggest increasing the loglevel in cups.conf |
| 12:30.01 | jharrisonwk | Milan-: usb? |
| 12:30.19 | Milan- | cahoot: I'll try |
| 12:30.33 | poncha | xtension, is this a way to force us greet you ? :) |
| 12:30.42 | Milan- | jharrisonwk: parrallel - but test pages works fine |
| 12:30.44 | xtension | hi poncha |
| 12:30.52 | jharrisonwk | hhmmmm |
| 12:30.57 | poncha | greetings :) |
| 12:31.11 | xtension | poncha u new ? |
| 12:31.23 | poncha | ndefine new :) |
| 12:31.26 | poncha | *define |
| 12:31.28 | Milan- | jharrisonwk:indeed, that's strange because Openoffice works fine too |
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| 12:31.35 | xtension | poncha first time on #debian ? |
| 12:31.38 | poncha | no |
| 12:31.40 | jharrisonwk | Milan-: so what does not work? |
| 12:31.42 | Milan- | jharrisonwk:that may be a gnome issue |
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| 12:31.54 | Milan- | jharrisonwk:gpdf and wpdf |
| 12:31.57 | Milan- | xpdf* |
| 12:32.01 | jharrisonwk | ah |
| 12:32.16 | poncha | xtension, but this is first time i see someone forcing a bot to ay hi ;) |
| 12:32.24 | jharrisonwk | Milan-: those print to something other then postscript? |
| 12:32.36 | jharrisonwk | Milan-: if you can try printing to postscript from xpdf |
| 12:32.43 | Milan- | jharrisonwk:how ? |
| 12:32.49 | xtension | im glad they thought it some manners |
| 12:33.13 | writerase | hi, could someone help me in renaming debian packages ? i can already rebuild it changing version, but i need to change the whole package name thx ! |
| 12:33.25 | jharrisonwk | Milan-: dont know |
| 12:33.45 | Milan- | jharrisonwk: :-) xpdf ask to use a command |
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| 12:34.26 | jharrisonwk | Milan-: ah ok there is a command you need to set to print to postscript then |
| 12:34.36 | jharrisonwk | Milan-: do you have cupsys-bsd installed? |
| 12:34.36 | Milan- | jharrisonwk:the really strange thing is that it was running well and I idn't change anything |
| 12:34.47 | runa__ | hey :) I've just installed & booted my amd64 with a debian 64bits kernel, went to recompile my kernel and found 'different' options in menuconfig (I don't see subarchitecture type, etc). I configured it, checked .config and when I run "make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel_image" it asks me for the "missing" configuration options (subarch type, clock tick rate, etc). Why is this? I've used the default options (enter x 1000) but the kernel it produced don't ap |
| 12:34.48 | Milan- | jharrisonwk:yes I think |
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| 12:35.38 | ghatak | what is the kernel version shipped with debian (woody)? |
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| 12:36.03 | runa__ | ghatak: 2.4.18 I think |
| 12:36.08 | ghatak | ok thanks |
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| 12:36.14 | streuner | wait |
| 12:36.19 | streuner | use d-i |
| 12:36.24 | streuner | !d-i ghatak |
| 12:36.25 | dpkg | ghatak, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:36.41 | Milan- | jharrisonwk: but gnome's gpdf doesn't asks a command and it worked fine until now |
| 12:36.48 | jharrisonwk | Milan-: dpkg -l cupsys* |
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| 12:36.56 | Milan- | jharrisonwk: yes I have |
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| 12:38.25 | Milan- | jharrisonwk: but using lpr doesn't works |
| 12:39.22 | bcole | great i messed something up, now my keyboard doesnt work in x, lol |
| 12:39.28 | smartt | i hv problem trying to make my writing tablet, a genius wizardpen 5x4, works. anyone else using it? |
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| 12:40.55 | jethro | !irritate kensuke |
| 12:40.56 | dpkg | kensuke: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome !!!1 |
| 12:41.31 | Eclipser | is there anyway I could bind to 21 or 80 as non-root? |
| 12:41.36 | Guerin | Eclipser: no. |
| 12:41.43 | Eclipser | well damn |
| 12:41.49 | Guerin | Eclipser: why would you? |
| 12:42.09 | Eclipser | because I have only 21, 22, 80 and 443 open outside my local network |
| 12:42.15 | Guerin | Eclipser: except to run unauthorised services on a box where you don't have root, I mean... |
| 12:42.16 | jethro | Eclipser: you could pretend you do, using DNAT |
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| 12:42.28 | Guerin | but you'd need root to set up the NAT |
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| 12:42.51 | jethro | Guerin: point |
| 12:42.51 | Eclipser | I am root but I want to run my applications as my normal user :) |
| 12:43.02 | Guerin | Eclipser: which apps? |
| 12:43.11 | jethro | Eclipser: apache already drops privs after it binds to different ports |
| 12:43.11 | jaalto | Debian PACKAGES: Where can I download orhaned and removed debian packages? |
| 12:43.13 | Eclipser | azureus for example |
| 12:43.18 | Guerin | most apps which need it have privilege deescalation |
| 12:43.21 | Guerin | woah, yeah |
| 12:43.31 | Guerin | don't be runnin' azureus as root |
| 12:43.32 | streuner | jaalto: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 12:43.37 | Eclipser | I won't :) |
| 12:43.47 | Guerin | ok, you definitely want DNAT then |
| 12:44.10 | smith | hi |
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| 12:44.16 | jethro | a bittorent client binding a low port? |
| 12:44.20 | Guerin | i know |
| 12:44.24 | jethro | wtf is this joke? |
| 12:44.28 | Eclipser | as I said |
| 12:44.29 | smith | low id? |
| 12:44.32 | Guerin | it's stupid, but if he has no high ports available... |
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| 12:44.37 | Eclipser | I have only 21, 22, 80 and 443 available |
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| 12:44.43 | Guerin | i'd say: GET A REAL ISP |
| 12:44.44 | jethro | aaaah I thougt it was a default, pardon me Eclipser |
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| 12:45.01 | Guerin | Eclipser: get another host and tunnel everything over ssh |
| 12:45.02 | technos | Local net admin has the router locked down. It's probably a corporate lan on a fatter pipe than home. |
| 12:45.10 | Eclipser | Guerin, 10e/month for 100/100Mbps balances that a bit :) |
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| 12:45.18 | jethro | Eclipser: you're stuck with DNAT in this case, or ssh port forwardings as suggested by Guerin |
| 12:45.19 | Teemu_K | debian:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.11# make-kpkg kernel_image CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 |
| 12:45.19 | Teemu_K | Error: Unknown target CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 |
| 12:45.27 | Teemu_K | :< |
| 12:45.29 | Guerin | Eclipser: heh, that's even less than I pay for 100 full-dup |
| 12:45.30 | jaalto | streuner: Thanks, but that covers only 2002+, I'm looking for package abandoned 2001 (IRC client bezerk) |
| 12:45.32 | smith | >_< |
| 12:45.34 | jethro | Teemu_K: VAR=foo command |
| 12:45.45 | jm_ | Eclipser: there is a way, but not with standard kernels |
| 12:46.00 | streuner | jaalto: why do you think you need that old packages? |
| 12:46.02 | Teemu_K | jethro: err, what do you mean?, what's wrong in that :< |
| 12:46.05 | jethro | jm_: debian kernel images don't provide the DNAT target for iptables? |
| 12:46.07 | Guerin | oho, there is a way... the secret path, untrodden by mortals |
| 12:46.21 | jethro | Teemu_K: the other way around, CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 12:46.25 | jm_ | jethro: yeah sure, you can do it that way too |
| 12:46.26 | Teemu_K | aaah |
| 12:46.28 | Teemu_K | ok |
| 12:46.35 | jm_ | jaalto: was it ever in Debian? |
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| 12:46.42 | jaalto | streuner: I need old packages for low end hardware that have 32-64 Meg memory, but still GTK |
| 12:47.00 | PerKlunk | You are using a web browser that Hotmail does not support. If you continue to use your current browser software we cannot guarantee that Hotmail will work correctly for you. |
| 12:47.03 | PerKlunk | How new is this? |
| 12:47.15 | streuner | jaalto: try archive.debian.org - maybe potato helps you |
| 12:47.17 | Guerin | PerKlunk: solution: don't use hotmail. |
| 12:47.19 | jaalto | jm: Yes, it was in Debian but orphaned in BUG http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=86611 |
| 12:47.20 | PerKlunk | microsoft is taking more drastic measures to gain ground with internet explorer? |
| 12:47.29 | PerKlunk | Guerin: yea I know |
| 12:47.32 | PerKlunk | still interesting |
| 12:47.32 | Guerin | ok |
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| 12:47.35 | PerKlunk | I use gmail... |
| 12:47.37 | jethro | !irritate yab |
| 12:47.37 | streuner | jaalto: besides, my sarge server has 64 MB... |
| 12:47.37 | PerKlunk | But this isn't my account. |
| 12:47.37 | dpkg | yab: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
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| 12:47.58 | streuner | cheers |
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| 12:48.05 | jethro | see you Guerin |
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| 12:48.53 | jm_ | jaalto: ahh try archive site, but I haven't been able to connect to it for ages |
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| 12:49.46 | streuner | hm, me too... |
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| 12:50.54 | jaalto | streuner, jm: archive server doesn not seem to respond, can you give pointer where to find who is maintaining it? |
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| 12:51.48 | jm_ | jaalto: sorry, no idea |
| 12:52.12 | plovs | anybody been able to install debian on an ibm pc server 330 i have problems getting it to move to install-stage 2, it boots from the cd then cannot find it ??? |
| 12:52.19 | questionmark | what might be the reason for such a message, or more importantly, how can i fix it? configure: error: "cannot find libjpeg support" |
| 12:52.43 | questionmark | (deep note: i did check libjpeg, it says the newest version is installed) |
| 12:52.53 | jethro | questionmark: apt-get install libjpeg-dev |
| 12:53.09 | RichiH | 14:39:39 < Mole2> Well, the boundary tracing idea I did get from that old greek story about the guy entering a cave and using a thread to be able to find |
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| 12:53.36 | questionmark | jethro: thanks mate |
| 12:53.37 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:53.37 | dpkg | <drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers < greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" < greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator < drp> lol |
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| 12:53.49 | directhex|work | plovs, ibm xseries330 ? |
| 12:53.52 | tarzeau | heh |
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| 12:54.19 | asg | tarzeau: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc.fortune (my hand qotd to fortune file translation) |
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| 12:54.23 | asg | s/hand/handy/ |
| 12:54.23 | plovs | directhex|work: i suppose so, it says pc server 330 on the outside :-) |
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| 12:54.42 | tarzeau | asg: ahhh thanks alot :) |
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| 12:54.57 | directhex|work | plovs, debian sarge works fine for me on ibm xseries 330 machines |
| 12:55.09 | asg | tarzeau: to turn it into a real fortune file from that source code, use strfile(1) |
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| 12:55.32 | tarzeau | asg: oki. no don't use fortune, but wait we have that at work, i could make it really active here |
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| 12:55.49 | asg | tarzeau: :) |
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| 12:55.55 | plovs | directhex|work: it boots ok from the scsi-cd, but then it says that it cannot find the cd-drive (it looks for ide-cd's) |
| 12:56.01 | tarzeau | asg: on every login, fortune is run, and we have 3000 users |
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| 12:56.06 | directhex|work | plovs, which cd are you using? |
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| 12:56.25 | Eclipser | whops |
| 12:56.25 | asg | tarzeau: we'll need more qotd factoids then if we are going to satisfy that number of users. |
| 12:56.27 | Eclipser | wrong server |
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| 12:56.48 | plovs | directhex|work: normal install, if i can't get it to work i'll use netinstall |
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| 12:56.59 | tarzeau | asg: can't we make some UBUNTO and badger quotes? |
| 12:57.13 | jethro | tarzeau: do whatever you feel like doing |
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| 12:57.21 | tarzeau | !do jethro |
| 12:57.28 | directhex|work | *sigh* |
| 12:57.34 | asg | tarzeau: it should be trivial to hack my qotd2for script to strip out whatever factoids you need. |
| 12:57.38 | jethro | I didn't mean such a 'do' |
| 12:57.42 | directhex|work | plovs, where *exactly* did you get your "normal install" cd from? |
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| 12:58.27 | plovs | directhex|work: latest sarge from a couple of weeks ago |
| 12:58.44 | plovs | directhex|work: i'll download the latest netinstall cd |
| 12:59.05 | tarzeau | haha, asg qotd7 rocks! |
| 12:59.29 | asg | tarzeau: I like 12 myself |
| 12:59.45 | directhex|work | i only like quotes with me in them |
| 13:00.06 | PerKlunk | lol |
| 13:00.18 | tarzeau | asg: heh |
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| 13:01.28 | jethro | I like 51 |
| 13:01.47 | xtension | tarzeau im rading the quotes , its so funny |
| 13:01.47 | jethro | and not because it's also a beverage with alcohol |
| 13:01.50 | xtension | tarzeau lol |
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| 13:02.09 | jethro | !wb jetscreamer |
| 13:02.10 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! jetscreamer has returned! |
| 13:02.25 | tarzeau | xtension: yeah :) |
| 13:02.26 | RichiH | yay |
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| 13:02.44 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 13:03.19 | xtension | tarzeau im half way through and already have my laughing quota for today |
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| 13:05.47 | greycat | !tell ralf about away |
| 13:06.08 | K_Dallas | how do you check an svf checksum? |
| 13:06.20 | greycat | sounds like a google question to me. |
| 13:06.28 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 13:06.56 | tarzeau | xtension: #28 cracks me off |
| 13:07.19 | jm_ | K_Dallas: install cfv |
| 13:07.31 | K_Dallas | thanks jm_ |
| 13:07.35 | ecko | good morning ladies and gentlemen |
| 13:07.45 | directhex|work | how are you gentlemen! |
| 13:07.52 | ecko | haha |
| 13:07.56 | mooded | K_Dallas, theres a proggi called winsfv that seems to do it.. checks for integrity of rar files.. |
| 13:08.05 | mooded | http://tfarchive.com/winsfv/winsfv.html |
| 13:08.12 | K_Dallas | for windows? |
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| 13:08.38 | mooded | oops ... seems to be a deadlink anywys ;) |
| 13:08.44 | K_Dallas | actually i could have started my total-commander (in linux) to check that but was wondering is there was a native solution |
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| 13:08.50 | zinx | mooded: funny, there's one for linux that uses the -internal- crc rather than some weird external one |
| 13:08.59 | jm_ | K_Dallas: apt-cache search sfv |
| 13:09.00 | zinx | mooded: interestingly, it's the rar/unrar utility itself. |
| 13:09.16 | K_Dallas | i am installing cfv |
| 13:09.27 | jm_ | yeah it's really nice |
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| 13:09.30 | mooded | zinx, i just found that via filext.com.. |
| 13:09.48 | jethro | !tell mooded -about search |
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| 13:10.23 | sparr_ | top shows mem%, is that % of physical memory or % of physical+virtual? |
| 13:10.26 | mooded | jethro, go on wondering.. |
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| 13:10.48 | jethro | mooded: it would make you search in a more efficient manner, and also help you provide elegant solutions |
| 13:11.23 | arjuna | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 13:11.23 | mooded | jethro, in this special case it wouldnt.. |
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| 13:11.33 | jethro | mooded: if you say so |
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| 13:11.56 | jethro | mooded: you probably didn't try apt-cache search sfv :) |
| 13:11.59 | raf256 | is there easy way in synaptic to see changelog between locally installed verison and the one in repository? |
| 13:12.01 | mooded | jethro, you searched for svf ? wtf does it tell you ? did he say anything about .rar until |
| 13:12.11 | raf256 | what where the recent changes to new kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 ? |
| 13:12.16 | mooded | jethro, _read_ .. he didnt say sfv.. he said svf.. |
| 13:12.26 | jethro | mooded: as a matter of fact, I did, and found a few packages |
| 13:12.28 | raf256 | because I see that yesterday/today new version of 2.6.8-2-k7 was released |
| 13:12.43 | jethro | mooded: you are also allowed to use your brain and fix typos when you see some |
| 13:13.02 | mooded | jethro, ah. so i shall fix typos, of which i dont know that they are typos ?? |
| 13:13.10 | mooded | you must be some smartypants.. |
| 13:13.30 | raf256 | hello? |
| 13:13.34 | raf256 | anyone \o/ ? |
| 13:13.37 | jethro | mooded: if you don't know, just don't answer, and let the others do it. |
| 13:13.42 | tarzeau | !qotd83 |
| 13:13.42 | dpkg | i guess qotd83 is <WiFiTux> how much can I paste here? -!- WiFiTux [~abonilla@natsj-9-netra20.ice.co.cr] has quit [Excess Flood] <ricky_clarkson> Not that much, obviously. |
| 13:13.47 | PeTeRB | raf256: See changelog. |
| 13:14.01 | raf256 | PeTeRB: I would love to, but where can I find it? |
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| 13:14.14 | questionmark | hplip (./probe -bnet) fails to find the printer on the net, i dont have software firewall, and the printer is functioning on the network, what can i do?! *exhausted* |
| 13:14.15 | mooded | jethro, maan.. youre arrogant.. and i started answering after noone else did.. and redirected him to google. |
| 13:14.22 | raf256 | PeTeRB: that was my question actually - how to see changelog for given package |
| 13:14.23 | jm_ | uhm apt-listchanges, p.d.o |
| 13:14.34 | raf256 | jm_: thanx \o/ |
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| 13:14.40 | jethro | mooded: sorry I sound arrogant, that's not what I m aiming for |
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| 13:14.59 | PeTeRB | raf256: Or find it in packages.debian.org and click on "View the Debian changelog" ;) |
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| 13:15.10 | mooded | whatever.. :/ |
| 13:15.12 | jethro | mooded: and again, better have him wait a few more minutes, than provide him a false answer |
| 13:15.27 | K_Dallas | i didnot mean to disturb you guys, as you might have guessed i meant sfv ;) |
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| 13:16.05 | _demoncat_ | hey, trying to set up kerberos on debian, installed all the packages, added an admin principal and now trying to get a ticket to generate other tickets, but when I type kinit admin: Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm while getting initial credentials. I checked, the kdc is running and listening on udp 750 and 88. Any tips? |
| 13:16.09 | mwilson | K_Dallas: Yes, everyone here understands how important it is to you to verify those warez you download. |
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| 13:17.04 | mooded | jethro, agreed, i could have verified the link first.... it happens often that one has to dig further.. and that link may have given him some hint where to search.. in the end.. he was denied real help and been redirected to google.. that was a sign for me to at least try to provide some help.. |
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| 13:17.16 | K_Dallas | warez? yeah since i have seen md5sum i use that but on my old backups i used sfv because it was implemented in totalcommander and has nothing to do with warez |
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| 13:17.50 | K_Dallas | so anyone uses checksum is a warezer or whatever? |
| 13:17.53 | jethro | mooded: I m not blaming you for the dead link. I just wanted you to know that using debian tools FIRST is more efficient when you search a program for debian |
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| 13:18.11 | arjuna | hi............................ |
| 13:18.19 | mwilson | No, pretty much everyone who uses SFV files is. |
| 13:18.28 | streuner | !irritate arjuna |
| 13:18.29 | dpkg | arjuna: hi every1 who uses dvd kk |
| 13:18.45 | mooded | jethro, ok. didnt know that would be of so much help in the case of file-extensions.... ill take that into account in the future. |
| 13:19.05 | K_Dallas | well, i use it because i have lost some CDs due to not having checked them before deleting my files |
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| 13:19.54 | DotHack | only 11 bugs to go |
| 13:20.11 | bcole | where does startx look to find what wm to start? |
| 13:20.11 | K_Dallas | it was 20 yesterday ;) |
| 13:20.22 | asg | bcole: ~/.xsession |
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| 13:20.24 | mwilson | bcole: Nowhere. |
| 13:20.31 | streuner | bcole: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 13:20.43 | bcole | asg: doesnt exist, streuner already checked that |
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| 13:20.52 | lrojas | hi all |
| 13:20.52 | streuner | mwilson: nowhere? |
| 13:20.54 | greycat | K_Dallas: .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 13:21.03 | K_Dallas | ? |
| 13:21.03 | greycat | oops. that's for bcole. |
| 13:21.03 | asg | bcole: then create it |
| 13:21.08 | K_Dallas | ;) |
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| 13:21.27 | bcole | asg: i want to know why its defaulting to blackbox |
| 13:21.29 | mwilson | streuner: That's right, nowhere. startx doesn't care what X clients get started. |
| 13:21.48 | asg | bcole: something in /etc/X11 is defaulting it. man 5 xsession (and fix it.) |
| 13:21.56 | lrojas | was wondering, anybody knows how to eliminate the Default Debian message that shows up in the console when you log in ? |
| 13:21.57 | h3Lp3R | what are the reasons that some packages are held back at 'apt-get upgrade'? For example on my computer following packages are held back: kdelibs-bin kdelibs4 kdelibs4-dev kdevelop3 kdevelop3-data kdevelop3-plugins kget kpf kppp krdc krfb kwifimanager lisa mknbi pppconfig. I tried also 'apt-get dist-upgrade', with same answer. |
| 13:21.59 | K_Dallas | mwilson, just for your information, i have been trying to make lots of friends and not so close friends to linux so that they stop looking for warez, that is a very meaningless work to do |
| 13:22.33 | lrojas | anybody? |
| 13:22.42 | streuner | !anybody |
| 13:22.42 | dpkg | hmm... anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:22.48 | asg | lrojas: motd(5) ; grep -r motd /etc/init.d |
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| 13:23.03 | streuner | Irojas: that lives in /etc/motd |
| 13:23.08 | lrojas | thanks |
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| 13:23.26 | jm_ | K_Dallas: use par2 or the tools from http://www.dvdisaster.com/ |
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| 13:23.52 | K_Dallas | that is all right :) i fired up my totalcommander for it :) |
| 13:24.06 | K_Dallas | par2: is it a checksum tool too? |
| 13:24.10 | jm_ | no |
| 13:24.14 | lrojas | can i put a command in there? like fotune or something? |
| 13:24.15 | S4nD3r_ | does anybody know IA98 modem driver??? The manufacturer is amigo ??? Does it works in linux ??? |
| 13:24.15 | K_Dallas | oh! |
| 13:24.34 | lrojas | it looks like a standard text file... |
| 13:24.41 | rocky23 | what ip command tells you the gateway for the src ip on the interfaces, i know ip route show table main will show you the "default" gateway, but since this card has 2 nics with different gateways on each which are defined under /etc/network/interfaces, but i cant find a command that will actually list it? |
| 13:24.57 | lrojas | i dont know if it can execute a console command like fortune |
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| 13:25.26 | K_Dallas | S4nD3r_, what kind of modem is that? |
| 13:25.28 | asg | lrojas: just use shell dotfiles for such things |
| 13:25.31 | S4nD3r_ | PCI |
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| 13:25.38 | S4nD3r_ | it is selled as intel |
| 13:25.40 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 13:25.41 | K_Dallas | winmodem? |
| 13:25.45 | S4nD3r_ | yes |
| 13:25.49 | S4nD3r_ | v90/v92 |
| 13:25.57 | K_Dallas | oh so check winmodem.com or something |
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| 13:26.08 | streuner | !winmodem |
| 13:26.08 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark |
| 13:26.21 | streuner | S4nD3r_: check out groups.google.com as well |
| 13:26.22 | K_Dallas | http://www.linmodems.org is the one |
| 13:26.24 | lrojas | ok |
| 13:26.26 | lrojas | thanks |
| 13:26.28 | Vladi | hi, how can i see cyrillic fonts in the gaim chat windows im using kde and i have kde-i18n installed for my cyrillic language? |
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| 13:26.59 | streuner | Vladi: dpkg -l xfonts-cyrillic? |
| 13:27.00 | K_Dallas | S4nD3r_, i had to go and buy a hardware USR modem for making the life easier, you could find some on ebay for reasonable price |
| 13:27.21 | streuner | Vladi: locales is installed? |
| 13:27.24 | Vladi | streuner: i see cyrillic in web pages fine so i know i have fonts |
| 13:27.43 | streuner | Vladi: try |
| 13:27.47 | streuner | Vladi: try #gaim |
| 13:27.53 | S4nD3r_ | K_Dallas, which slot?? |
| 13:27.56 | S4nD3r_ | USB ?? |
| 13:27.58 | K_Dallas | pci |
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| 13:28.02 | Vladi | streuner: ok thanks |
| 13:28.05 | S4nD3r_ | oh |
| 13:28.11 | S4nD3r_ | I will look for it |
| 13:28.18 | K_Dallas | for under 10U$ |
| 13:28.21 | S4nD3r_ | I need a winmodem to use in my linux |
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| 13:28.30 | S4nD3r_ | do you know the trademark? |
| 13:28.32 | K_Dallas | do you? |
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| 13:28.53 | K_Dallas | mine is US Robotics (USR) |
| 13:29.11 | K_Dallas | and it is a hardware modem, 3com is the new company i guess |
| 13:29.20 | Eclipser | hmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 13:29.28 | K_Dallas | winmodems are nightmares in linux |
| 13:29.30 | S4nD3r_ | it is USR ?? |
| 13:29.35 | Eclipser | wine screws up my load average |
| 13:29.40 | Eclipser | load average: 7.00, 5.42, 4.97 |
| 13:29.58 | Eclipser | the box is still working as if the load averages were below 0.5 |
| 13:29.59 | K_Dallas | S4nD3r_, most of USR modems are winmodems but they have one or two hardware too |
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| 13:30.53 | greycat | so wine educates you about just how meaningless that load average actually is. |
| 13:30.55 | directhex|work | winmodem, by very definition, means 3com/usrobotics |
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| 13:30.57 | greycat | !wine++ |
| 13:30.59 | lrojas | is there a program to make a ASCII logo/banner/art that can be include in teh motd file? |
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| 13:31.13 | Eclipser | greycat, :) |
| 13:31.14 | xtension | lrojas gimp |
| 13:31.22 | greycat | lrojas: several of them. banner, the other banner, figlet, ... |
| 13:31.26 | ash_ | What was the command to download a whole directory using wget ? |
| 13:31.27 | jethro | lrojas: cowsay / banner / figlet |
| 13:31.28 | K_Dallas | directhex|work, didnt know that but they have made non winmodems too |
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| 13:31.37 | ash_ | I mean what were the options..? |
| 13:31.39 | Eclipser | ash_, -r |
| 13:31.45 | ash_ | What's it? |
| 13:31.51 | ash_ | *Thats it? |
| 13:31.54 | markuman | hi. i got littel trouble with damn small linux. don't know how to change the keyboard from US to European....can someone help me? |
| 13:32.03 | BriajWrk | ash_ -r -l |
| 13:32.04 | jethro | markuman: /msg dpkg debian based |
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| 13:32.17 | Eclipser | man wget... |
| 13:32.18 | K_Dallas | markuman, the damn thing might have its own chan |
| 13:32.21 | lrojas | thanks guys |
| 13:32.27 | rocky23 | : what ip command tells you the gateway for the src ip on the interfaces, i know ip route show table main will show you the "default" gateway, but since this card has 2 nics with different gateways on each which are defined under /etc/network/interfaces, but i cant find a command that will actually list it? |
| 13:32.47 | markuman | K_Dallas, and in this damn chan no one answerd.... |
| 13:32.53 | jethro | !they don't know |
| 13:32.58 | K_Dallas | :) ok |
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| 13:33.14 | markuman | jethro ? |
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| 13:33.14 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 13:33.15 | jethro | @they don't know |
| 13:33.17 | mwilson | markuman: Why would anyone here have any idea how DSL works? |
| 13:33.22 | jethro | markuman: dpkg was lagged a bit |
| 13:33.38 | rocky23 | K_Dallas: use leaf instead :P |
| 13:33.58 | K_Dallas | yeah yeah |
| 13:34.13 | markuman | mwilson, i think its debian based |
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| 13:34.25 | jethro | markuman: yes it is, and debian based is *NOT* debian |
| 13:34.27 | mwilson | markuman: Even if it were, why would anyone here know? |
| 13:34.34 | markuman | jethro, don't understand |
| 13:34.39 | jethro | !moron markuman |
| 13:34.42 | dpkg | markuman: You are moron #89 |
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| 13:34.50 | markuman | ? moron??? |
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| 13:35.43 | nathan_ | im having trouble with US keyboard layout in a console only, X and virtual termincals within X are fine, i need it set to UK, yet when i run locale everything is set to en_GB what else sets the keyboard layout/locale |
| 13:35.55 | ico2 | ok, trying to install the .deb for libreadline, getting this error: install-info(rluserman): no file /usr/share/info/dir, retrieving backup file /var/backups/infodir.bak. |
| 13:35.56 | ico2 | the .bak file is one i created via a touch command as it said it was missing |
| 13:36.10 | ico2 | nathan: loadkeys uk |
| 13:36.12 | streuner | markuman: visit #knoppix - its debian based too... ;-) |
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| 13:36.19 | arsran | join /#gfc |
| 13:36.32 | nathan_ | ico2: thanks mate |
| 13:36.36 | jethro | arsran: the / goes before the join |
| 13:36.37 | ico2 | np |
| 13:36.38 | markuman | wtf is moron? |
| 13:36.38 | marcel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:36.52 | jethro | markuman: /msg dpkg dict moron |
| 13:37.08 | ico2 | can anyone help me to install libreadline |
| 13:37.15 | ico2 | it seems rather messed up |
| 13:37.20 | streuner | hm, interesting /whois markuman |
| 13:37.31 | wizlew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:37.41 | jethro | yet another troll? |
| 13:37.51 | streuner | of course :-) |
| 13:37.58 | jethro | :) |
| 13:38.22 | rocky23 | hi all, how can i find out what gateway is defined for my interfacs ? |
| 13:38.27 | nathan_ | ico2: i also have chinese characters showing in gnome wallpaper chooser, thats the only place ive noticed them showing in but surely it shouldnt be doing that? keyboard in console is fine now though |
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| 13:38.40 | markuman | fuck off |
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| 13:38.42 | questionmark | hplip doesnt find the printer with (./probe -bnet) command.. i dont have firewalls installed and the printers is functional.. anybody with ideas? |
| 13:38.57 | xtension | rocky23 ifconfig |
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| 13:39.29 | ico2 | nathan: hmmm, i dont know why that would be |
| 13:39.31 | jethro | rocky23: netstat -rn |
| 13:39.32 | xtension | rocky23 ipconfig ? |
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| 13:39.50 | websdale | nathan_:uk is often Ukraine - is that what you mean |
| 13:40.14 | rocky23 | ifconfig doesnt list out gatway |
| 13:40.21 | jethro | rocky23: use netstat |
| 13:40.43 | rocky23 | jethro: it displays 0.0.0.0 :) is that because its using ip route? |
| 13:40.49 | nathan_ | weasel: its only showing chinsese (or thai or japanese) chars in gnome wallpaper chooser, thats all ive seen them in so far anyway |
| 13:40.53 | jethro | rocky23: look at the end of lines |
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| 13:41.08 | jethro | rocky23: 0.0.0.0 means the default gw, at the end of the lines you have the interface |
| 13:41.15 | nathan_ | websdale: they should be english |
| 13:41.20 | rocky23 | jethro: yeah i just want the gateway |
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| 13:41.29 | jethro | rocky23: can't you read ? |
| 13:41.37 | jethro | Kernel IP routing table |
| 13:41.37 | jethro | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 13:41.42 | rocky23 | jethro: if you dont have display routing tables compiled in is there any other way |
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| 13:41.55 | jethro | rocky23: you barely make sense to me |
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| 13:42.23 | nathan_ | lol |
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| 13:42.48 | jethro | rocky23: the second field is the IP of the gateway. the first being 0.0.0.0 means it's a default gw |
| 13:42.48 | xtension | rocky23 you try to think , can you show an error msg ? |
| 13:42.48 | rocky23 | jethro: in the kernel you compile in support for certain things and basically "display routing table" is required for netstat -rn |
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| 13:43.08 | websdale | nathan_:have you checked the keyboard section of the gnome config menu |
| 13:43.10 | jethro | rocky23: and where is this in the kernel configuration? |
| 13:43.12 | S4nD3r_ | this USR modem works in linux ??? |
| 13:43.12 | rocky23 | jethro: that is not compiled in, so i was basically asking if there was another command i could use |
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| 13:43.24 | S4nD3r_ | it manufactured by 3COM ??? |
| 13:43.43 | greycat | 3Com bought USR, I think. |
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| 13:43.59 | nathan_ | websdale: keyboard options in gnome is get to GB |
| 13:44.00 | greycat | or maybe it was the other way around |
| 13:44.08 | jetscreamer | greycat: a long time ago they did |
| 13:44.15 | jetscreamer | 3com bought |
| 13:44.16 | xtension | rocky23 route -n |
| 13:44.20 | rocky23 | jethro: i could probably google for it, i dont mean to be difficult i was just wondering if you know of one |
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| 13:44.28 | jethro | could someone confirm what rocky23 ? I personnaly have never seen such a kernel option |
| 13:44.45 | rocky23 | jethro: let me find it then :) |
| 13:44.45 | jethro | s/23/23 says/ |
| 13:45.20 | xtension | jethro maybe he skipped networking ? |
| 13:45.24 | jetscreamer | ah. might be under those net things you have to dig way down deep to find, tabbuddy |
| 13:45.36 | jethro | xtension: he'd hardly be able to add routes if he skipped that |
| 13:45.49 | jethro | jetscreamer: I can't find anything close to what he said |
| 13:45.53 | rocky23 | jethro: i can add routes etc, i was just asking for a command to display the gateway |
| 13:46.05 | xtension | rocky23 route -n |
| 13:46.06 | jethro | rocky23: and we gave it like 10 times now. netstat -rn |
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| 13:46.23 | rocky23 | jethro: ok thanks but like i said i dont have that option compiled in so it errors |
| 13:46.29 | jethro | rocky23: and I don't think netstat requires anything particular in the kernel, other than an IP stack |
| 13:46.31 | jetscreamer | jethro: i just know there's a bunch of stuff i don't know how to use under there buried |
| 13:46.41 | fatboy | hello the world |
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| 13:46.53 | jethro | rocky23: just tell meabout the error then |
| 13:46.54 | nathan_ | rocky23: jethro is right |
| 13:46.55 | jetscreamer | !seen the world |
| 13:46.57 | rocky23 | jethro: well the error says "netstat -r (display routing table) is not compiled in |
| 13:46.58 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'the world', jetscreamer |
| 13:47.04 | fatboy | I have some problem with postfix |
| 13:47.14 | jetscreamer | arp support? |
| 13:47.18 | jethro | rocky23: are you using debian sarge or woody? |
| 13:47.21 | xtension | reinstall for rocky |
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| 13:47.30 | nathan_ | heh |
| 13:47.38 | fatboy | When I make /etc/ini.d/postfix start |
| 13:47.38 | jm_ | rocky23: that may be a message related to netstat itself |
| 13:47.46 | fatboy | I have this error message |
| 13:47.56 | jethro | jm_: I don't know of any netstat shipped by debian providing such a message |
| 13:47.56 | jm_ | rocky23: i.e. /proc/net/route |
| 13:48.05 | fatboy | Starting mail transport agent: Postfixtar: lib/libnss_compat-2.3.2.so: time stamp 2005-05-10 22:01:30 is 5809870 s in the future |
| 13:48.05 | rocky23 | jethro: it aint for a debian box, its a custom kernel for a very small floppy based dist, i was just trying to work out what commands i can view the gatway from and wondered if anyone knew some off the top of there head, i didnt mean to coarse any hassle :) |
| 13:48.05 | fatboy | tar: lib/libnss_dns-2.3.2.so: time stamp 2005-05-10 22:01:31 is 5809871 s in the future |
| 13:48.05 | fatboy | tar: lib/libnss_files-2.3.2.so: time stamp 2005-05-10 22:01:31 is 5809871 s in the future |
| 13:48.05 | fatboy | tar: lib/libnss_hesiod-2.3.2.so: time stamp 2005-05-10 22:01:31 is 5809871 s in the future |
| 13:48.05 | fatboy | tar: lib/libnss_mdns.so.2: time stamp 2005-03-06 16:06:05 is 176145 s in the future |
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| 13:48.08 | kanzure | How can I check if a port is being used? "telnet localhost:<port>" doesn't work. :-/ |
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| 13:48.23 | jethro | rocky23: FFS WOULD YOU MIND STARTING WITH THESE DETAILS INSTEAD OF WASTING MY TIME! |
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| 13:48.30 | xtension | fatboy dont worry about it |
| 13:48.36 | greycat | fatboy: fix your clock. |
| 13:48.45 | greycat | 2005-05-10 isn't the future. |
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| 13:48.51 | takisd | i seem to have an interrupt conflict, any easy way around this? installed a usb2.0 card and its using the same one as a network card - usb isn't working as a result |
| 13:49.14 | rocky23 | man some people are in a bad mood today, i will continue with google searches :/ |
| 13:49.17 | fatboy | thanks |
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| 13:49.25 | jethro | fucking moron |
| 13:49.29 | questionmark | lol |
| 13:49.29 | fatboy | greycat thanks |
| 13:49.31 | jm_ | jethro: it would be utterly stupid indeed |
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| 13:49.57 | jethro | jm_: such a netstat you mean? |
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| 13:50.08 | jm_ | jethro: yes |
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| 13:50.45 | jetscreamer | that wouldn't have been arp? |
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| 13:51.06 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - can somebody tell me how to install a package from experimental? |
| 13:51.09 | jethro | jetscreamer: no. that's just rocky being stupid |
| 13:51.20 | jethro | jm_: agreed |
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| 13:51.25 | Llama | hiall |
| 13:51.30 | questionmark | one thing i realise though, ppl here usually dont have the patience or understanding that for most newbies to unix systems, it's hard to find your way through, and people sometimes are not really guiding but rather pushing towards an answer, doesnt always work you know (jethro, i dont mean you in particular, talking general.... no offense) |
| 13:51.31 | greycat | !iyhtays |
| 13:51.32 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 13:51.36 | greycat | Super_Cat_Frog: ^^^ |
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| 13:51.56 | xtension | questionmark these ppl assume they know stuff |
| 13:52.14 | questionmark | xtension: well, in that case they are being pro. morons |
| 13:52.14 | questionmark | :D |
| 13:52.16 | jetscreamer | i ass-u-me i don't know shit... and then i'm wrong... |
| 13:52.29 | jetscreamer | and i find out i'm right |
| 13:52.31 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 13:52.37 | jethro | questionmark: I can be patient if you are a debian user and ask me as in /msg dpkg ask about debian problems |
| 13:52.56 | jethro | questionmark: if I m in a good mood, I can even help a debian user with non directly related to debian packaging issues |
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| 13:53.18 | jethro | questionmark: otoh, I ll refuse to help people like rocky23, who can't even detail their problem, and have us guess |
| 13:53.43 | jethro | questionmark: and I get mad when such people, in the end, admit not being using debian |
| 13:53.53 | runa__ | hey :) why when I boot with a debian amd64 kernel uname reports the system is x86_64 but when I compile my own kernel (and I select Athlon 64) uname reports just 'i686' ? |
| 13:53.59 | jetscreamer | i promise never to admit that i really use mandrake |
| 13:54.04 | jetscreamer | :o omg |
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| 13:54.16 | streuner | questionmark: because those people wasting our time |
| 13:54.23 | jethro | jetscreamer: you can use it as long as you don't ask me here to help you fix your mandriva problems |
| 13:54.40 | xtension | jetscreamer try fedora |
| 13:54.49 | jetscreamer | what is mandriva |
| 13:54.52 | jetscreamer | btw |
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| 13:54.55 | questionmark | streuner: i got the point mate, but the thing is the goal here is to help people to struggle to learn something right? |
| 13:55.04 | jethro | jetscreamer: mandrake is no longer, it's called mandriva now |
| 13:55.08 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:55.13 | jethro | questionmark: it's a debian channel support |
| 13:55.18 | streuner | questionmark: wrong, the point to help debian users |
| 13:55.26 | jethro | questionmark: not a general knowledge base, nor a place to learn how to learn |
| 13:55.36 | questionmark | jethro: streuner: ture... |
| 13:55.46 | xtension | jethro right on |
| 13:55.49 | jetscreamer | he called you a turd but drooped the d! |
| 13:55.54 | jethro | :) |
| 13:55.56 | jetscreamer | dropped |
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| 13:56.14 | jetscreamer | (j/k ? ) |
| 13:56.28 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.51 | ico2 | has anyone here had any problems installing libreadline? |
| 13:57.24 | streuner | no, not in debian |
| 13:57.27 | ico2 | i cannot make it install |
| 13:57.35 | ico2 | from the .deb package |
| 13:57.40 | xtension | ico2 E: Couldn't find package libreadline |
| 13:57.43 | streuner | ico2: /j #damnsmallinux or such |
| 13:57.50 | jetscreamer | !find libreadline |
| 13:57.51 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libreadline' (12): libreadline-java ;; libreadline-java-doc ;; libreadline-ruby ;; libreadline-ruby1.6 ;; libreadline-ruby1.8 ;; libreadline-ruby1.9 ;; libreadline4 ;; libreadline4-dbg ;; libreadline4-dev ;; libreadline5 ;; libreadline5-dbg ;; libreadline5-dev. |
| 13:57.52 | questionmark | jethro: i dunno man i am kinda sensitive on that sense.. it's already not a nice feeling that everybody around you knowing way too much compared to you, plus if they have an attitude, it gets to an unpleasant level (again, not using you as an example) .. |
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| 13:58.17 | ico2 | libreadline4 i mean |
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| 13:58.35 | jetscreamer | what is the error |
| 13:58.38 | ico2 | 1 sec |
| 13:58.40 | questionmark | i mean today i was told a...hmm.. lemme think "a learnin resistant" or something like that... cant recall really.. lol.. |
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| 13:59.18 | ico2 | install-info(rluserman): no file /usr/share/info/dir, retrieving backup file /var/backups/infodir.bak. |
| 13:59.19 | ico2 | origionally it complained of no /var/backups/infodir.bak |
| 13:59.19 | ico2 | but i made the file via touch |
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| 13:59.38 | ico2 | after the error i get 100% proccessor doing nothing forever |
| 14:00.02 | jetscreamer | did you try remove --purge && install ? or install --reinstall ? |
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| 14:00.26 | ico2 | no |
| 14:00.29 | ico2 | i will try that |
| 14:00.29 | jethro | questionmark: I told you how I think. I think we can move on now, since there will be no added value to extending the conversation |
| 14:00.30 | ico2 | thanks |
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| 14:00.47 | jetscreamer | ico2: that would be apt-get blahblahblah btw |
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| 14:01.10 | questionmark | jethro: true, so well what can you tell me about how to get over the situation with hplip not finding the printer than :) |
| 14:01.13 | questionmark | then* |
| 14:01.37 | jetscreamer | try hpoj since hplip is the scanner lib i think |
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| 14:01.39 | jethro | questionmark: I don't know, that's why I didn't answer before. |
| 14:01.43 | jetscreamer | or something like that |
| 14:01.58 | questionmark | jethro: ah! well thanks anyways mate |
| 14:02.09 | jetscreamer | and go to linux.hp.com |
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| 14:02.17 | jethro | questionmark: you're welcome, just wait until someone knows. |
| 14:02.18 | ico2 | ok |
| 14:02.33 | ico2 | dpkg --purge tells me package is really messed up and should be reinstalled |
| 14:02.33 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, ico2 |
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| 14:02.43 | ico2 | cannot figure out how to reinstall |
| 14:02.50 | greycat | !faq ico2 |
| 14:02.51 | dpkg | ico2: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:03.09 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i on the .deb , apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 14:03.12 | questionmark | jethro: should i keeping asking everyonce in a while, or what? :S (as i said i am foreigner to the irc culture here) |
| 14:03.14 | ico2 | ok |
| 14:03.15 | ico2 | thanks |
| 14:03.20 | greycat | jetscreamer: won't work. |
| 14:03.29 | jetscreamer | nm ico2 |
| 14:03.41 | jetscreamer | greycat knows more than me |
| 14:03.42 | jethro | !guidelines |
| 14:03.42 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't run scripts or use public away/back. 9) No trolls or spam. 10) see <msg> |
| 14:03.50 | jethro | questionmark: ^^ |
| 14:03.57 | greycat | jetscreamer: it's on the Package Management page of the Wiki/FAQ. |
| 14:04.04 | ico2 | okok |
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| 14:04.35 | ico2 | apt-get install --reinstall libreadline4 tells me of screwqed up stuff needing a -f install |
| 14:04.45 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 14:04.45 | greycat | there's a missing guideline. |
| 14:04.51 | ico2 | but apt-get -f install tells me of screwed libreadline |
| 14:04.52 | jetscreamer | so apt-get -f install |
| 14:04.54 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:04.55 | jethro | greycat: which one? |
| 14:05.01 | masoft | how can I start timidity as server ? I tried : timidity -ir -Os --output-16bit (but it not worked) |
| 14:05.06 | questionmark | jethro: i see.... |
| 14:05.16 | WaRRiOR__ | i have an external question. |
| 14:05.19 | jethro | questionmark: so yes, just wait, and ask in a few hours |
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| 14:05.31 | questionmark | jethro: gotcha |
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| 14:05.38 | jetscreamer | ico2: i suggest reading the Package Management page of the Wiki/FAQ... the idea 'just came to me magically' that you should do that... |
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| 14:05.46 | ico2 | okok |
| 14:06.46 | jetscreamer | ico2: i'd be breaking stuff with dpkg -i --force-all if it was me (and everybody will say that's a bad idea probably btw) |
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| 14:07.20 | ico2 | --force-all does not help |
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| 14:07.27 | greycat | dpkg, no, guidelines is <reply> 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't just repeat yourself; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 3) Read the FAQ and ask Google before asking us. 4) Reading technical documentation (man pages, info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots. See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or a web site, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 14:07.27 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 14:07.28 | ico2 | i tried it already |
| 14:07.48 | WaRRiOR__ | when i turn on my PC, after some time it starts to sound like a damn truck :S it dont think it's normal. does anyone knows why this happens or how can i fix it? thanks |
| 14:08.07 | jetscreamer | WaRRiOR__: take a stethescope and find the noise |
| 14:08.13 | greycat | WaRRiOR__: probably a fan. |
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| 14:08.22 | sirv_ | hmmmm anyone else had a problem installing debian on a raid1 with the new sarge install? |
| 14:08.29 | WaRRiOR__ | yeah i know it's the fan , but what can i do with it ? |
| 14:08.33 | jetscreamer | sirv_: think so |
| 14:08.38 | greycat | WaRRiOR__: replace it |
| 14:08.40 | jetscreamer | replace it, they're cheap |
| 14:08.52 | jetscreamer | which fan |
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| 14:09.06 | jetscreamer | if a case fan, unplug it 'MAYBE' |
| 14:09.13 | questionmark | jethro: lemme ask you something else which has been puzzling my mind for a while now, i am using sid, and certain things just not make sense to me.. sometimes i ask questions to people, and they tell me what to read or to do... but certain things they say that should exist on my system does not exist... for ex. i dunno why, cant recall now, but at one point i needed to restart the x, so as i read from some source, i decided to restart |
| 14:09.20 | greycat | case fans can be replaced without even bringing the box down :) |
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| 14:09.32 | greycat | well, depending on the case. |
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| 14:09.55 | jetscreamer | none of my cases have sides attached |
| 14:09.58 | greycat | !tell questionmark about sid faq |
| 14:10.11 | Knight_Lord | bob2 I got an old BIOS from an obscure chinese site, and my computers now work! It's a damn bug in the current BIOS |
| 14:10.25 | sirv_ | jetscreamer: any solution? I would *really* like to be able to install to a raid1 from the start and not have to redoo it later |
| 14:10.41 | questionmark | greycat: thanks mate, checkin it now |
| 14:11.00 | greycat | questionmark: your very long question was truncated at "decided to restart" |
| 14:11.16 | jetscreamer | sirv_: i know nothing about raid, i 'think' you can get it working but i'm not sure.. something about a /boot not in raid maybe, or there may be another way |
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| 14:11.33 | questionmark | ...i decided to restart gdm instead (eventually it would be the same thing, i think) .. read the man pages for gdm and saw that there is a command "gdm-restart", when i type it in, i get "command not found message".. weird eh? |
| 14:11.44 | ico2 | ok, to restate question more clearly: i have the package libreadline4 that wont install because of a script, wont remove or purge, also has problem with the script on remove --force-all |
| 14:11.50 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.59 | greycat | questionmark: file a bug report on the man page |
| 14:12.03 | ico2 | so it is half installed but wont finish installing or remove |
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| 14:12.15 | greycat | ico2: it's IN the faq. I swear. |
| 14:12.20 | ico2 | really |
| 14:12.22 | greycat | ico2: really. |
| 14:12.24 | ico2 | i thought i looked |
| 14:12.31 | ateoh211 | when I add the iptables rule iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT, why is the actual rule added actually allowing prot=all source=anywhere destination=anywhere instead of source and destination being localhost? |
| 14:12.34 | greycat | # How do I remove a package that's in an inconsistent state? |
| 14:12.50 | suposs | How do I find out which services and stuff are started on boot? I'm running a low memory/processor setup, so I want to disable anything that might slow me down... |
| 14:12.58 | jethro | ateoh211: iptables -L -v will show you the interface |
| 14:13.08 | ico2 | ah found it |
| 14:13.09 | jethro | ateoh211: it does indeed apply to lo |
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| 14:13.24 | ico2 | what it says in the FAQ STILL DOESNT WORK!!!!! |
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| 14:13.37 | greycat | !!!!! |
| 14:13.38 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 14:13.43 | ico2 | the same script dies on the dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq libreadline as well |
| 14:13.46 | ateoh211 | jethro: thanks, I didn't think of verbose :( |
| 14:13.55 | greycat | ico2: a *script* is dying? then fix it. |
| 14:14.06 | ico2 | a script in the package |
| 14:14.11 | ico2 | i dont even know where it is |
| 14:14.15 | ico2 | if i did i could fix it |
| 14:14.16 | greycat | they live in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 14:14.24 | ico2 | ok |
| 14:14.25 | ico2 | thanks |
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| 14:14.34 | prahal | ehm : greycat ... would you help me find out what s wrong with the postgres bash script (when called from the perl wrapper it changes behaviour and broke) |
| 14:14.48 | jethro | !sicco |
| 14:14.48 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about research and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 14:15.09 | greycat | 10:15 ->[dpkg] msgresearch and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 14:15.11 | greycat | (no answer) |
| 14:15.38 | jethro | :blame jim |
| 14:15.43 | jethro | !blame jim even |
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| 14:16.43 | jethro | dpkg: sicco =~ s/research/'research'/ |
| 14:16.43 | dpkg | OK, jethro |
| 14:17.06 | jethro | dpkg: sicco =~ s/cooperation in asking for help/'cooperation in asking for help'/ |
| 14:17.06 | dpkg | jethro: OK |
| 14:17.24 | jethro | greycat: both factoids exist, I just tried them |
| 14:17.37 | prahal | greycat: :) well let s flood : "if [ `$PGPATH/pg_id -u` -eq 0 ]" from the bash script works if the script is called by hand though if i call the perl wrapper it output : " /usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin/pg_id: Success \n /usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin/pg_ctl: line 114: [: -eq: unary operator expected" . l.114 is the previous one and there is only a call to pg_id the one in the if statment |
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| 14:17.46 | greycat | jethro: *nod*, but I think we've informally agreed on <factoid> instead of 'factoid' as the hyperlink notation. |
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| 14:17.55 | k0smik0 | hi |
| 14:18.01 | jethro | greycat: I didn't know that sorry, I ll fix sicco asap |
| 14:18.04 | greycat | prahal: file a bug report. |
| 14:18.05 | k0smik0 | anyone live who know about sparc ...? |
| 14:18.06 | suposs | noone? I just need to find out what is started on boot so I can disable the stuff I don |
| 14:18.12 | suposs | t need... |
| 14:18.16 | k0smik0 | on #debian-sparc there all dead cows ... :7 |
| 14:18.18 | k0smik0 | :/ |
| 14:18.21 | suposs | oops :) |
| 14:18.22 | greycat | suposs: ls /etc/rc2.d /etc/rcS.d |
| 14:18.27 | jethro | dpkg: sicco =~ s/'research'/<research>/ |
| 14:18.27 | dpkg | jethro: OK |
| 14:18.39 | suposs | greycat: thanks |
| 14:18.42 | jethro | dpkg: sicco =~ s/'cooperation in asking for help'/<cooperation in asking for help>/ |
| 14:18.42 | dpkg | jethro: OK |
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| 14:18.45 | questionmark | greycat: interesting on the FAQ they really diss sid, so far ppl i talked to (using debian) always told me that it was any crucial toughness with using sid, "it is stable enough" they said... do you think that they might have trying to scare off inexperienced users from sid so that they avoid ppl asking too many questions? |
| 14:18.57 | greycat | !break |
| 14:18.57 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
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| 14:19.05 | questionmark | wasnt* |
| 14:19.09 | greycat | if bug #155873 doesn't scare you, then go ahead. run sid. |
| 14:19.15 | KimHansen | prahal: Are you using postgresql from stable, testing or experimental? |
| 14:19.16 | jethro | questionmark: look at the bts for some scary bugs |
| 14:20.00 | prahal | greycat: well i am used to fixing bugs and sending patches ... it s just that i never saw or heard of such a behaviour in bash . Do you have an idea what could transform a "command output 0" to "command output Success on stderr and nothing on stdout" ? |
| 14:20.08 | greycat | jethro: too bad there isn't a HOLY FUCK!! bug priority label |
| 14:20.10 | questionmark | jethro: excuse my lack of knowledge but "bts"? |
| 14:20.15 | jethro | !bts |
| 14:20.15 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:20.16 | ico2 | ok, think i fixed it |
| 14:20.19 | greycat | !topicsmite questionmark |
| 14:20.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon questionmark. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:20.28 | jethro | greycat: heh |
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| 14:22.18 | Spec | How do I convince dpkg to tell me what bug 155873 is? |
| 14:22.35 | greycat | Spec: there was a URL in dpkg's output a moment ago. |
| 14:22.36 | jethro | Spec: you use a browser |
| 14:22.46 | prahal | KimHansen: experimental |
| 14:22.46 | ico2 | thanks to everyone for the help |
| 14:22.46 | prahal | !dpkg flood |
| 14:22.46 | ico2 | :) |
| 14:22.47 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:22.47 | questionmark | erm |
| 14:22.47 | Spec | i know |
| 14:22.47 | greycat | Spec: this sort of thing should also be in the FAQ. If it's not, tell us. |
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| 14:22.55 | Spec | but i'm trying to get dpkg to tell me, not the webpage :p |
| 14:23.05 | jethro | Spec: you can't |
| 14:23.11 | greycat | Spec: get the source code, hack it. |
| 14:23.11 | Spec | hmm, i thought you could |
| 14:23.21 | jethro | Spec: write it, blootbot.sf.net cvs co, then hack it |
| 14:23.30 | questionmark | anyways... i guess i gotta take a break, going out for a walk, good afternoon y'all |
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| 14:23.32 | greycat | !dbugs 155873 |
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| 14:23.35 | dpkg | DONE:#155873:N[lg-all] Dangerious Error in lg-all Package Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:48:05 UTC |
| 14:23.52 | Spec | hmm, close... :p |
| 14:24.02 | greycat | Dangery! |
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| 14:25.04 | Spec | hehe, that's an awesome bug |
| 14:25.11 | Spec | in a hope-you-keep-backups-sort-of-way |
| 14:25.23 | jethro | the libpam0g one was nice too |
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| 14:26.26 | sirv_ | the error I made on the raid1 issue was the fact that I tried to make multiple paritions on each raiddevice |
| 14:26.43 | Spec | jethro: which libpam0g one? |
| 14:26.53 | Spec | jethro: I only see one bug for libpam0g and it's not amusing :-/ |
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| 14:27.35 | qwerty | my mozilla-browser1.7.8 doesn't start after an upgrade, it silently exits on command line, where can i see some debug messages/tips |
| 14:27.43 | prahal | greycat: no luck i could ever find what s wrong ? there is no magic bash flag that change command output ... |
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| 14:28.25 | KimHansen | prahal: I am upgradeing my postgresql installation right now, I can look at it in 10 minutes time |
| 14:28.26 | Spec | ah, lots of good archived bugs |
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| 14:28.42 | greycat | prahal: isn't it *obvious*? they used [ `some command` -eq 0 ] without double quoting the command substitution, and when that comes up blank, the script throws an error because it substitutes to [ -eq 0 ] |
| 14:28.47 | greycat | prahal: FILE A BUG. |
| 14:29.05 | prahal | KimHansen: well it is so weird ... |
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| 14:29.28 | prahal | greycat: but the bash code is right , the perl one is too ... this code is good |
| 14:29.34 | greycat | prahal: no. it is not. |
| 14:29.46 | xtension | does apt-get --reinstall leave the 'old' configuration intact ? |
| 14:29.53 | greycat | prahal: the thing that was supposed to output a number did not output a number. the script wasn't capable of *handling* that, and croaked. |
| 14:29.59 | prahal | greycat: pong |
| 14:29.59 | greycat | I AM DONE BABYSITTING YOU AND YOUR BUG. |
| 14:30.12 | Spec | hehehe |
| 14:30.18 | _roo9 | anyone here unable to access httpd.apache.org ? |
| 14:30.30 | Spec | yes. |
| 14:30.35 | jetscreamer | this is the postgres from experimental? |
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| 14:30.37 | jethro | Ronin: flawlessly |
| 14:30.41 | prahal | ouch |
| 14:30.41 | jethro | _roo9: ^^ |
| 14:30.48 | KimHansen | jetscreamer: yes |
| 14:30.54 | Spec | jethro: really? |
| 14:30.58 | _roo9 | jethro: it works for you? |
| 14:30.59 | greycat | he's bitching here about an *experimental* package?? |
| 14:31.03 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 14:31.08 | _roo9 | "Connecting to httpd.apache.org[192.87.106.226]:80... failed: No route to host." |
| 14:31.09 | jetscreamer | thought i'd clarify that |
| 14:31.12 | jethro | _roo9: yes it does |
| 14:31.14 | Spec | Operation timed out for me |
| 14:31.22 | _roo9 | seems to be a routing issue |
| 14:31.35 | asg | _roo9: PING httpd.apache.org (192.87.106.226) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 14:31.35 | asg | From po9-0.cr2.amsterdam2.surf.net (145.145.165.25) icmp_seq=1 Time to live exceeded |
| 14:31.45 | jetscreamer | heh i got 'connection refused' |
| 14:31.54 | prahal | greycat: let s put me on ignore , and try to find out the issue with KimHansen if can reproduce it . Thank you for all |
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| 14:31.54 | asg | _roo9: something is frobbed |
| 14:31.55 | Spec | I can ping it, but I get connection timed out |
| 14:32.03 | prahal | + and let me try to find |
| 14:32.07 | _roo9 | #apache says it's down for the moment |
| 14:32.28 | jetscreamer | http://apache.org/ functions |
| 14:32.29 | jethro | _roo9: it was actually in the proxy cache. I can't connect to it either. |
| 14:32.30 | qwerty | greycat: hey, how can i get my mozilla-browser up after my upgrade, it just exits silently.. |
| 14:32.43 | _roo9 | jethro: ahh, that makes more sense then ;-) |
| 14:32.47 | jethro | _roo9: :) |
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| 14:32.51 | _roo9 | damn, i need the mod_rewrite documentation |
| 14:32.52 | jetscreamer | qwerty: you're calling the old version, just use mozilla-browser |
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| 14:33.13 | greycat | _roo9: and you can't find it in the Debian packages? |
| 14:33.14 | asg | _roo9: apt-get install apache-doc |
| 14:33.20 | qwerty | jetscreamer: i did an apt-get install mozilla-browser just now.. it is version 1.7.8 it sez.. |
| 14:33.23 | jethro | _roo9: I take my word back. I can connect, and GET |
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| 14:33.34 | jetscreamer | qwerty: i mean when you try to start it |
| 14:33.44 | jetscreamer | qwerty: you might try 'update-menus' also |
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| 14:33.56 | jetscreamer | qwerty: try mozilla-borowser in an xterm |
| 14:34.01 | _roo9 | asg, greycat: hey, good idea |
| 14:34.01 | jetscreamer | browser even |
| 14:34.07 | Port3M5 | anyone know how to fix a "xf86EnableIOPorts: Failed to set IOPL for I/O" |
| 14:34.22 | qwerty | i cleaned up(rm -rf) all my other mozilla stuff before the install .. yeah.. i open it from an xterm |
| 14:35.11 | jetscreamer | qwerty: try mozilla (in the xterm) |
| 14:35.13 | jetscreamer | works here |
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| 14:35.55 | jetscreamer | mozilla-browser didn't though :( |
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| 14:36.50 | qwerty | i guess my only option is to read up the startup script.. :( |
| 14:36.50 | prahal | KimHansen: did the problem reproduced ? i don't understand . reding pg_id source it should work |
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| 14:37.05 | Chewie[] | I installed Profont (copied to a directory on the X font path, gzip'ed, mkfontdir'd, and restarted X), but now how do I use them by name? xfontsel selects by feature. |
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| 14:37.25 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=xf86EnableIOPorts%3A+Failed+to+set+IOPL+for+I%2FO&restrict=linux |
| 14:37.36 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 14:37.49 | KimHansen | prahal: It just finished installing now (I run this on a pentium 266MHz...), where is the problem? |
| 14:37.50 | elirips | hello. maybe someone knows by chance where firefox stores his lockfile? i cannot use my profile anymore, firefox is telling me that it is still in use. |
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| 14:38.05 | asg | elirips: ~/.firefox |
| 14:38.17 | Chewie[] | elirips: ~/.mozilla/firefox/random_characters/lock |
| 14:38.35 | qwerty | heh.. the script /usr/bin/mozilla looks broken.. it started with a /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin |
| 14:38.38 | xtension | elirips delete it and make a new one |
| 14:38.39 | Chewie[] | asg: i've never used a build that uses ~/.firefox. |
| 14:38.44 | Chewie[] | xtension: no. |
| 14:38.48 | xtension | elirips firsts make a new one |
| 14:38.55 | prahal | KimHansen: /etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4 start|stop|... break on my system (the upgrade restart postgres so you should have seen the problem if it was reproducible) |
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| 14:39.02 | luulis | xtension: firefox generates it automatically |
| 14:39.14 | asg | Chewie[]: *shrug*, nothing ln(1) can't fix. |
| 14:39.22 | Chewie[] | Guys, this is a lock file. Just remove it. No need to throw away the whole profile. |
| 14:39.33 | elirips | thanks people, i found it in ~/.mozilla/firefox/default.1sk/lock |
| 14:39.34 | Chewie[] | asg: ln(1) can't fix this. |
| 14:39.46 | asg | Chewie[]: I was refering to the existance of ~/.firefox |
| 14:39.59 | KimHansen | prahal: It works here |
| 14:39.59 | Chewie[] | asg: Ah, my bad. |
| 14:40.03 | prahal | KimHansen: that helps me anyway . So i can track the problem either to my experimental perl or sid bash |
| 14:40.39 | KimHansen | I use sid perl, it could be there you should look |
| 14:41.22 | prahal | KimHansen: well i expected it to work. I have not found a flaw in the postgres source or scripts (i agree with greycat that it s not perfect though as pg_id can only return an integer this is only poor style ) |
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| 14:43.26 | marchino | hola a todos |
| 14:44.23 | marchino | do you have a ppc architetture? have you got bootsplash working on this architecture? |
| 14:44.37 | greycat | marchino: ask #debianppc maybe |
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| 14:44.48 | marchino | no answer |
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| 14:44.54 | marchino | :D |
| 14:44.56 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 14:44.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:45.25 | jetscreamer | just a thought |
| 14:45.25 | marchino | i'm not spanish, i'm italian |
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| 14:45.28 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:45.31 | jetscreamer | !it |
| 14:45.31 | dpkg | [italian] per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 14:45.39 | jetscreamer | hola a todos is itialian? |
| 14:45.48 | jetscreamer | italian |
| 14:45.51 | marchino | no |
| 14:46.09 | pngwn | jetscreamer, his english is better than yours ;) |
| 14:46.26 | jetscreamer | well i know his italian is better |
| 14:46.32 | pngwn | heh |
| 14:46.34 | jetscreamer | probably other languages also |
| 14:46.44 | marchino | maybe not |
| 14:46.53 | marchino | :) |
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| 14:47.38 | concu | can someone tell me a good GUI downloader? |
| 14:48.00 | RichiH | kget for kde |
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| 14:48.09 | concu | oh |
| 14:48.13 | concu | thanks RichiH |
| 14:48.16 | greycat | "good" and "GUI" rarely fit together. |
| 14:48.16 | RichiH | np |
| 14:48.21 | RichiH | greycat: hehe |
| 14:48.22 | concu | haha ZELiha_ is trying to send me a trojan |
| 14:48.25 | concu | :d |
| 14:48.33 | concu | it calls web.exe |
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| 14:48.40 | jetscreamer | wget in an xterm |
| 14:48.58 | concu | wget doesn't good with yousendit |
| 14:49.06 | concu | sometimes it lost |
| 14:49.10 | greycat | doesn't *what*? |
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| 14:49.14 | RichiH | concu: thanks for the notice about zeliha |
| 14:49.20 | concu | ok |
| 14:49.48 | jetscreamer | i accidentally hit 2 porno sites yesterday... they both automatically caused mozilla to try to download some blah.exe file ... |
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| 14:50.11 | petemc | accidentally, twice.... |
| 14:50.23 | jetscreamer | yeah i knew that was coming |
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| 14:50.36 | jetscreamer | i torrent my pron! |
| 14:50.38 | windowsrefund | trying to compile and getting this error: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables. Any ideas? |
| 14:50.40 | petemc | heh |
| 14:50.42 | greycat | !faq windowsrefund |
| 14:50.43 | dpkg | windowsrefund: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:50.43 | jetscreamer | don't need no lame site |
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| 14:51.01 | windowsrefund | thanks |
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| 14:52.09 | jetscreamer | that reminds me.. must move to pppoe today from static... but will they let me keep my same email addy... had it since dsl was invented :( |
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| 14:58.30 | mIRC`v6a | hi to all |
| 14:58.34 | GentooGuy | yo |
| 14:58.43 | mIRC`v6a | i have just a problem with my linux box |
| 14:58.50 | chimun | anyone have any major problems after dist-upgrade today? |
| 14:59.00 | GentooGuy | just state your problem |
| 14:59.00 | chimun | in SID. |
| 14:59.00 | mIRC`v6a | gdm doesnt start |
| 14:59.01 | chimun | ok |
| 14:59.18 | GentooGuy | what do the logs say > |
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| 14:59.23 | GentooGuy | what is the error you are getting when trying to start gdm |
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| 14:59.32 | chimun | im finding that i can't open terminal - any of them, including Eterm (usual one i use), hanterm, xterm, or even gaim (icq client) |
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| 14:59.49 | mIRC`v6a | grafical interface cannot startx because is not configured |
| 14:59.57 | GentooGuy | so configure X |
| 15:00.04 | GentooGuy | use Xorg |
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| 15:00.35 | greycat | GentooGuy: Xorg is not an option in Debian yet. /topic |
| 15:00.36 | mIRC`v6a | if is devices problems ? |
| 15:00.41 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 15:00.41 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 15:00.42 | greycat | !drxx mIRC`v6a |
| 15:00.43 | dpkg | mIRC`v6a: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 15:00.48 | drewr | Is there anything other than mounting a partition nosuid that would break setuid? |
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| 15:01.17 | cyrille_ | hi everybody |
| 15:01.24 | mrwill | greets cyrille_ |
| 15:01.24 | mIRC`v6a | ok |
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| 15:01.33 | mIRC`v6a | can i just return too late ? |
| 15:01.38 | greycat | drewr: define "break". |
| 15:01.39 | chimun | is there any way i can tell what packages were updated in the last dist-upgrade? |
| 15:01.48 | greycat | chimun: ls -lart /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 15:01.53 | chimun | greycat, thanks |
| 15:01.56 | jethro | !nickometer mIRC`v6a |
| 15:01.57 | dpkg | 'mIRC`v6a' is 61.000% lame, jethro |
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| 15:02.13 | cyrille_ | is there a unix command to evaluate arithmetical expressions? |
| 15:02.15 | paulswm | 789 people consecutively say hi to cyrille_ |
| 15:02.15 | jethro | dpkg: mIRC should count for 80% at least you stupid bot |
| 15:02.17 | jetscreamer | you drove himn away |
| 15:02.28 | drewr | greycat: break = ``EPERM on setresuid32(-1, 0, -1)'' |
| 15:02.36 | greycat | cyrille_: bc, awk, sh, ... |
| 15:02.54 | paulswm | cyfer: bc or $((..)) in bash. Also awk, perl, etc |
| 15:03.20 | drewr | greycat: Look near the bottom of http://paste.lisp.org/display/8633. |
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| 15:03.39 | paulswm | !singlishsmite jethro |
| 15:03.39 | dpkg | jethro: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
| 15:03.59 | jetscreamer | for a = 1 to 789; print hi cyrille_ ; next a |
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| 15:04.14 | paulswm | !prize jetscreamer |
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| 15:04.59 | greycat | drewr: you could check the man page for setresuid32 to see if it has any clues.. |
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| 15:05.38 | greycat | (lop off the '32') |
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| 15:05.54 | cyrille_ | thanks for your help |
| 15:06.00 | greycat | oh, nice little typo in the man page. |
| 15:06.14 | greycat | "tried to change the IDs is a not allowed way" |
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| 15:06.43 | eNTi | ho do i convert a ext2 to ext3? i guess it's only the journaling that needs to be enabled? but how do i do this? |
| 15:06.49 | greycat | eNTi: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
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| 15:07.23 | drewr | greycat: It says what everybody else says: no permission. But the binary is setuid root... |
| 15:07.39 | greycat | drewr: uh, no, it does not say "no permission". |
| 15:07.52 | greycat | it says "The current process was not privileged (did not have the CAP_SETUID capability) and tried to change the IDs is a not allowed way." |
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| 15:09.02 | drewr | greycat: Right, but I'm not sure how to make it more privileged than setuid root. |
| 15:09.10 | jethro | what's the difference between a dd and a maintainer? is this detailed somewhere? |
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| 15:09.42 | asg | jethro: they are generally used interchangeably. |
| 15:09.57 | jethro | asg: so it's basically the same? |
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| 15:10.03 | asg | jethro: yes. |
| 15:10.07 | greycat | drewr: *you* made it setuid root? it wasn't supposed to be...? |
| 15:10.29 | asg | jethro: it is possible to maintain a package but have some other dd upload it if you aren't a dd so there is some grey area. |
| 15:10.53 | drewr | greycat: No, the INN installer makes inndstart setuid root, because it starts as user news. |
| 15:10.55 | greycat | hmm... it says "supervise inndstart". So you set it up with DJB's daemontools? Is it even a Debian box? |
| 15:11.11 | jethro | asg: thanks for clarifying this |
| 15:11.33 | asg | jethro: you're welcome |
| 15:11.57 | drewr | greycat: It's Debian Sid. |
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| 15:12.27 | greycat | which kernel? did you mess with "security patches"? "hardened"? capabilities, weird firewalls, ...? |
| 15:12.36 | jetscreamer | gd. upgrade my speed, lower my price. (dsl) nothing wrong with that. just dynamic vs static. |
| 15:12.46 | jetscreamer | done deal. |
| 15:12.55 | jetscreamer | and i get to keep my email addy |
| 15:13.20 | drewr | greycat: Hm, good question. This is a development box on which I left the default installer kernel, IIRC. |
| 15:13.33 | jetscreamer | phone bill -40 = good |
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| 15:13.44 | GSH-Alex^BNC | how do i perform calculations on the commandline ? |
| 15:13.51 | greycat | drewr: does it work normally if you launch it *without* supervise/daemontools around it? |
| 15:13.52 | jethro | greycat: man bc |
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| 15:13.57 | jethro | GSH-Alex^BNC: man bc |
| 15:13.59 | jethro | sorry greycat |
| 15:14.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get install qalc |
| 15:14.32 | greycat | today must be Math Day. |
| 15:14.36 | PeTeRB | Heh. |
| 15:14.36 | greycat | 11:02 cyrille_> is there a unix command to evaluate arithmetical expressions? |
| 15:14.39 | greycat | 11:13 GSH-Alex^BNC> how do i perform calculations on the commandline ? |
| 15:14.43 | jethro | heh |
| 15:14.54 | mIRC`v6a | i just try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but there is a warning message: x is not installed completely |
| 15:14.57 | Spec | uhh, 'python -c 'print '' |
| 15:15.00 | drewr | greycat: No; that's why I'm asking in #debian. Simply running ( su - news; ~/bin/inndstart ) gives me the EPERM. |
| 15:15.29 | greycat | drewr: then I'm out of ideas |
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| 15:15.55 | drewr | greycat: I know. It's weird. Thanks for giving it a thought. |
| 15:16.06 | mIRC`v6a | why this ? |
| 15:16.19 | diesel | I recently upgraded postgres with apt. when dpkg is setting up postgres, I am asked for a password. I have changed the passwd for the user postgres to one that I know (as root) yet I get 'Password authentication failed for user "postgres"' and dpkg returns an error code. Any ideas how to complete the postgres setup? |
| 15:16.20 | greycat | mIRC`v6a: dpkg --configure -a; apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 15:16.23 | Spec | mIRC`v6a: maybe it's not fully installed |
| 15:16.35 | jetscreamer | !anybody |
| 15:16.35 | dpkg | hmm... anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:16.57 | jetscreamer | so anybody here ever hack on those 2wire modem/routers that bell likes to give out? |
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| 15:17.33 | Spec | you mean like, hack hack, or hack? |
| 15:17.43 | jetscreamer | use, tweak, mess with |
| 15:17.45 | mIRC`v6a | Radeons are supported by woody ? |
| 15:17.50 | Spec | naa, if i had one i'd hack it though |
| 15:18.02 | Spec | with an axe. |
| 15:18.04 | jetscreamer | load linux on it... |
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| 15:18.27 | streuner | mIRC`v6a: upgrade to sarge |
| 15:18.35 | streuner | mIRC`v6a: /msg dpkg ati |
| 15:18.50 | jethro | !find clamav sid |
| 15:18.52 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'clamav' (14): clamav ;; clamav-base ;; clamav-daemon ;; clamav-data ;; clamav-docs ;; clamav-freshclam ;; clamav-getfiles ;; clamav-milter ;; clamav-testfiles ;; libclamav-dev ;; libclamav1 ;; php-clamav ;; python-clamav ;; sylpheed-claws-clamav. |
| 15:18.56 | greycat | !woody hardware support |
| 15:18.56 | dpkg | methinks woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 15:19.01 | mIRC`v6a | how can upgrade to sarge ? |
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| 15:19.15 | jetscreamer | !tell mIRC`v6a about woody->sarge |
| 15:19.17 | greycat | mIRC`v6a: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 15:19.34 | mIRC`v6a | and sarge packare where are ? |
| 15:19.39 | greycat | mIRC`v6a: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:19.39 | jetscreamer | on the net |
| 15:19.42 | streuner | hell, jetscreamer - are you fingers still at the right place? ;-) |
| 15:19.50 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 15:20.07 | jetscreamer | oh the 'hacking'? |
| 15:20.19 | streuner | no, by typing the nick |
| 15:20.42 | jetscreamer | i used autocomplete on that one foer shore |
| 15:20.52 | mIRC`v6a | i just installed woody, i must reinstall sarge to upgrade from woody to sarge ? |
| 15:21.00 | greycat | mIRC`v6a: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:21.09 | jetscreamer | mIRC`v6a: it's just a simple upgrade, no need to reinstall |
| 15:21.14 | GSH-Alex^BNC | jethro how can i use bc commandline and not interactive ? |
| 15:21.16 | greycat | is this guy retarded or is he just ignoring me and dpkg? |
| 15:21.23 | jethro | GSH-Alex^BNC: echo foo | bc |
| 15:21.24 | mIRC`v6a | but sarge packages where are ? |
| 15:21.24 | jetscreamer | you change a few words and apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 15:21.28 | jetscreamer | on the net |
| 15:21.41 | jetscreamer | think windows update |
| 15:21.41 | greycat | I think this one calls for a wildcard *plonk* |
| 15:21.41 | jethro | greycat: the former as per the nickname |
| 15:21.52 | greycat | 11:21 Ignoring ALL from mirc* |
| 15:21.56 | jethro | :) |
| 15:22.37 | jetscreamer | i don't belive in ignores, but kick/bans are good |
| 15:23.03 | jetscreamer | u hurted hims widdle feewins |
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| 15:23.20 | cyrille_ | GSH-Alex^BNC, "echo \(3+5\)*6 | bc -l" |
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| 15:24.10 | greycat | I prefer single quotes around the whole thing rather than multiple \ escapes. |
| 15:24.19 | greycat | and you'll want to escape that *, too. |
| 15:24.29 | greycat | just in case it matches a filename |
| 15:24.36 | marcus | I have a debian with kernel 2.6.11 and I am trying to install my hp printer. with hpoj it works fine, but when I try to use hpijs it doesnt find /dev/usb devices. How can i set the /dev/usb devices? I tryed MAKEDEV usb but didnt work |
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| 15:24.50 | tarzeau | !tryed |
| 15:24.50 | dpkg | tryed is probably not English. I think you meant to say 'tried'. "tryed" _is_ English, just middle / old English. |
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| 15:25.04 | dooglus | hi. can anyone please explain this output for me? |
| 15:25.10 | dooglus | $ dpkg -l '*kde*' | grep -v kde | tail -1 |
| 15:25.10 | dooglus | un openoffice.org <none> (no description available) |
| 15:25.35 | greycat | try COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*kde*' ... |
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| 15:25.51 | tarzeau | 18 RC bugs left until sarge |
| 15:25.58 | cyrille_ | greycat, you're right about \(... |
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| 15:26.10 | codi | Online jpg http://busecik.aLLhyper.com/photo.jpg |
| 15:26.13 | masoft | dooglus, the first, dpkg -l '*kde*' list all the packages contain kde name |
| 15:26.22 | jetscreamer | do you know the difference between hopj and hpijs ? |
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| 15:26.37 | furrywolf | @ops codi is sending viruses |
| 15:26.37 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: codi is sending viruses |
| 15:26.38 | marcus | Hp says hpijs is more modern |
| 15:26.42 | dooglus | thanks greycat - it was getting truncated! |
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| 15:26.47 | tarzeau | can someone kick codi in his scrotum? |
| 15:26.54 | jetscreamer | i 'believe' they support different things |
| 15:27.09 | jetscreamer | but i set mine up a couple months ago |
| 15:27.10 | greycat | tarzeau: I was still waiting for the image -> page to load to see what it waas. |
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| 15:27.23 | masoft | dooglus, the second, grep -v kde, show all packages dosn't contain kde :P |
| 15:27.31 | greycat | it went through some sort of evil weird redirect. it wasn't a jpg. |
| 15:27.42 | furrywolf | greycat: it redirected to a windows executable. |
| 15:27.52 | greycat | furrywolf: ok, if you say so. |
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| 15:28.01 | furrywolf | not much of a threat to most of us, but more than worthy of being permanantly removed... |
| 15:28.02 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Wish granted, apparently :) |
| 15:28.23 | masoft | dooglus, and the last command, show the last line :D |
| 15:28.26 | greycat | !pal marchino |
| 15:28.27 | dooglus | one other dpkg question: how does it decide what to list and what not to? when I do "dpkg -l kde" it lists kde, even though it's not installed, but when I "dpkg -l gqview" it doesn't show anything, even though "apt-get install gqview" would work if I ran it. |
| 15:28.30 | jethro | !lart marchino |
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| 15:28.48 | dooglus | masoft: my question there was why was "openoffice" showing up, since it didn't contain "kde" |
| 15:28.53 | PeTeRB | MSN IRC? :/ |
| 15:29.01 | LoRez | meant MS IRC |
| 15:29.05 | dooglus | masoft: and the answer was that dpkg wasn't showing the full package name - it was truncating it |
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| 15:30.12 | masoft | dooglus, kde is in Openoffice description I think |
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| 15:30.22 | masoft | dooglus, It must not be in Package name :-? |
| 15:30.45 | dooglus | masoft: no, it's in the package name. but the package name was too long, so the 'kde' bit was chopped of the end of the display |
| 15:30.54 | windowsrefund | hello |
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| 15:31.12 | windowsrefund | does anyone know why smbtorture hasn't been included in the samba packages? |
| 15:31.20 | jetscreamer | there are gnome and kde pre-loader thingys for oo |
| 15:31.43 | jetscreamer | so that must be those |
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| 15:32.30 | RainbowW | is there a way to compile only specific kernel modules when doing a make modules? or is it necessary to always compile the entire set? this is 2.6.11 with the mppe patch. |
| 15:32.34 | silverton | Is there a Sid netinst? |
| 15:32.36 | furrywolf | windowsrefund: probably to keep you from torturing windoze boxes. |
| 15:32.44 | greycat | RainbowW: don't fuck around. do it right. it's a *kernel*. |
| 15:32.45 | tarzeau | silverton: no |
| 15:32.49 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 15:32.49 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:32.50 | silverton | tarzeau, ok |
| 15:32.51 | windowsrefund | that's no fun |
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| 15:32.54 | greycat | !tell RainbowW about kp |
| 15:32.57 | masoft | dooglus, no, it's not in package name :D I checked. take a see : apt-cache showpkg openoffice.org | grep kde |
| 15:33.08 | silverton | tarzeau, thanks |
| 15:33.21 | tarzeau | silverton: you're welcome |
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| 15:33.27 | tarzeau | silverton: just don't kiss me, honey |
| 15:33.36 | s4rg3 | Hi all - > how make a backup of my all debian partition in image file ??? |
| 15:33.37 | RainbowW | greycat: noted. however, the running kernel is built from the tree i'm working in; i would not be mixing a debian stock kernel and a custom module. |
| 15:33.52 | tarzeau | s4rg3: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 15:34.04 | s4rg3 | tarzeau, tk's |
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| 15:34.30 | greycat | RainbowW: if you change *anything* in the kernel tree, you must rebuild the whole kernel and the whole set of modules. preferably into a new .deb package with a new version numbers. |
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| 15:35.11 | furrywolf | distcc makes compiling kernels less painful. |
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| 15:35.18 | jetscreamer | openoffice.org-kde - KDE UI Plugin and KDE File Picker for OpenOffice.org |
| 15:35.24 | jetscreamer | try grep -i |
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| 15:35.49 | RainbowW | furrywolf: only if you have multiple machines on which to run distcc, which i don't. even on an smp machine (a pair of p3 500's) it still takes far too much time. |
| 15:36.20 | furrywolf | hrmm. it's only 15 minutes or less on my dual p3-866. |
| 15:36.33 | PeTeRB | It takes me 3 hours :| |
| 15:36.38 | furrywolf | rainbow: on a completely unrelated question, what motherboard do you have? |
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| 15:36.46 | greycat | PeTeRB: that's why debian kernel images exist. |
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| 15:36.50 | greycat | (among other reasons) |
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| 15:37.04 | PeTeRB | greycat: I need something to do when I'm bored |
| 15:37.06 | RainbowW | furrywolf: dell poweredge 2400 with a perc 2si raid controller driving a 4x40 setup. |
| 15:37.10 | asg | PeTeRB: walk in the park? |
| 15:37.20 | silverton | tarzeau, okay, I'm a bit confused by the last Q&A on that faq. Is Woody always Stable, and Sarge always Testing? Just like Sid always being unstable? |
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| 15:37.30 | greycat | silverton: no |
| 15:37.35 | tarzeau | silverton: double-no |
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| 15:37.44 | silverton | >.< okay... |
| 15:38.01 | mwelsh | woody = 3.0, sarge = 3.1 |
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| 15:38.06 | greycat | when sarge releases, sarge will be stable. |
| 15:38.07 | mwelsh | thats all they mean |
| 15:38.15 | RainbowW | silerton: the names of the stable and testing releases change as versions change. 3.0 is woody; 3.1 will be sarge; if i recall correctly, 3.2 will be etch. |
| 15:38.27 | silverton | etch? |
| 15:38.29 | tarzeau | RainbowW: maybe etch will be 4.0 |
| 15:38.30 | silverton | :-/ |
| 15:38.31 | greycat | the *next* version is code-named etch. |
| 15:38.35 | greycat | it may be 3.2, or 4.0, or 87.42 |
| 15:38.36 | DexterF-vm | hi |
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| 15:38.40 | tarzeau | silverton: you've never seen Toy Story? |
| 15:38.42 | RainbowW | whatever. |
| 15:38.46 | silverton | tarzeau, not recently |
| 15:38.53 | RainbowW | silverton: toy story. etch was the etch-a-sketch. |
| 15:39.00 | illyk | hello--I just tried installing sarge via netinstall cd. Install process went perfect on my test machine(small book pc), but when I tried installing it on my compaq dl580--again install went great, but when it tried to reboot after install it went directly to a grub prompt, which was locked. I have tried changing the bootflag, having a boot partition, not having a boot partition...and have dones the install about 6 times...has anyone else heard of such an |
| 15:39.21 | RainbowW | woody of course is the cowboy, sarge is the little green soldier (voiced by r. lee earmey). |
| 15:39.28 | silverton | yes, I remember woody |
| 15:39.59 | RainbowW | hamm was the piggy bank; slink (slinkey) is a dog with a slinky for a body; bo is little bo peep. |
| 15:40.04 | silverton | asg, rofl! |
| 15:40.17 | greycat | RainbowW: and buzz and rex. |
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| 15:40.32 | greycat | and potato (Mr. Potato Head) |
| 15:40.37 | furrywolf | they already make talking blow-up dolls... guess they could make a movie with talking toys. :P |
| 15:40.40 | silverton | so.. which came first? debian, or toy story? lol |
| 15:40.53 | greycat | silverton: toy story, clearly. |
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| 15:41.10 | silverton | hmm...I thought debian had been around for a long time... |
| 15:41.16 | greycat | !history |
| 15:41.16 | dpkg | from memory, history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 15:41.17 | silverton | toy story was released.. 1996? |
| 15:41.41 | jethro | silverton: check imdb |
| 15:41.49 | greycat | google says 1995 |
| 15:42.20 | silverton | debian was founded aug 16th 1993 |
| 15:42.26 | sadrak|work | short question: have a new DeLL PowerEdge and DeLL say i need Kernel 2.6.10 for installation ... kann i use the daily-cdimage from testing (netinst) |
| 15:42.34 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.59 | sadrak|work | dont know the kernel in the netinst :/ |
| 15:43.01 | jetscreamer | the usual image is 2.6.8 iirc |
| 15:43.01 | greycat | so Debian as a project came first, but the releases were all made after the movie came out. |
| 15:43.02 | asg | sadrak|work: it will only have 2.6.8 kernels though those might work. Try it and see. |
| 15:43.02 | paulswm | I gather there's a new inflatable doll in the mid-east. It blows itself up. |
| 15:43.03 | drac | sadrak|work: 2.6.8 in daily testing.. |
| 15:43.10 | petemc | sadrak|work: if you google for "debian dell" the first hit is a 5meg iso that works well |
| 15:43.11 | silverton | sadrak|work, the kernel in the netinst is 2.6.8 |
| 15:43.19 | jetscreamer | sadrak|work: you can redo/bulid/make the installer |
| 15:43.20 | silverton | 2.6.8-1 to be exact, iirc |
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| 15:43.29 | asg | paulswm: auto-piñata? |
| 15:43.30 | jetscreamer | and put a diff image in it |
| 15:43.33 | drac | silverton: -2 |
| 15:43.48 | mIRC`v6a | it doesnt work |
| 15:43.51 | paulswm | asg: don't get it, sorry |
| 15:43.52 | furrywolf | 2.6.10 has ext2 corruption issues. use 2.6.9 or 2.6.11 |
| 15:43.54 | RainbowW | sadrak|work what kind of poweredge? |
| 15:44.10 | sadrak|work | 1425 |
| 15:44.11 | asg | paulswm: nevermind, it's been one of those days. |
| 15:44.12 | jetscreamer | sadrak|work: http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ |
| 15:44.18 | paulswm | !beer asg |
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| 15:44.54 | justin | d-i works on every single poweredge I've tried it on |
| 15:44.57 | illyk | has anyone seen or heard of the issue i mentioned above? after netinstall of sarge(after reboot) i am taken to a grub prompt, which is frozen |
| 15:45.03 | justin | woody probably won't work, but I doubt sarge would have any problems |
| 15:45.11 | mIRC`v6a | my problem is just a device problem or not |
| 15:45.11 | petemc | justin: none of the ones with sata drives then |
| 15:45.14 | silverton | drac, nah, on my boxes, I had to get the -2 version |
| 15:45.21 | asg | justin: sometimes you need to manually modprobe the megaraid driver but it does generally work. |
| 15:45.23 | silverton | and they've been recent installs |
| 15:45.25 | mIRC`v6a | with Radeon not supported by Woody |
| 15:45.28 | sadrak|work | the scsi-controller wont work :/ |
| 15:45.47 | mIRC`v6a | i must change video controller |
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| 15:46.03 | justin | petemc: i have a 750 with dual sata drives running with / on software raid 1 |
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| 15:46.23 | petemc | justin: the sarge installer doesnt support the sata drives in my sc420 |
| 15:46.28 | petemc | as of last week |
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| 15:47.17 | sadrak|work | why it was so easy? *g* google ==> dell + debian .... thanks a lot! |
| 15:47.22 | masoft | Are there MAN pages for C++ commands ? or just for C available ? |
| 15:47.40 | justin | masoft: what is a c++ command? |
| 15:47.51 | justin | furrywolf: they will only be automagically upgraded if they have 'stable' in their sources.list |
| 15:47.56 | masoft | justin, *Functions :D |
| 15:48.05 | furrywolf | justin: isn't that what the installer did by default? :) |
| 15:48.11 | mIRC`v6a | i must change video controller ? |
| 15:48.45 | justin | mIRC`v6a: install sarge? |
| 15:48.58 | mIRC`v6a | where is sarge ? |
| 15:49.08 | s4rg3 | tarzeau, u use ubercopy ? |
| 15:49.15 | drac | !d-i mIRC`v6a |
| 15:49.16 | dpkg | mIRC`v6a, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:50.05 | jetscreamer | drac: he has woody installed |
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| 15:50.20 | mIRC`v6a | in intalian |
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| 15:50.42 | RichiH | mIRC`v6a: it's there. you seelct italian at install time |
| 15:50.44 | RainbowW | is it make -j3, or make -j 3? |
| 15:50.53 | poncha | i have a question.. partition table has several copies, right? how can i use those copies if i suspect that main partition table is broken? (fdisk unable to open the drive and fsck says "Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read. Could this be a zero-length partition?") |
| 15:50.58 | RichiH | -j3 |
| 15:50.58 | jetscreamer | it's not jf3 then |
| 15:51.03 | gahan | why debian's libapache-mod-php4 is compiled without-mm? |
| 15:51.26 | jetscreamer | because morton is a madman? |
| 15:51.28 | asg | gahan: look at the changelog and README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 15:51.30 | furrywolf | rainbow: like 99% of other programs, it doesn't matter. |
| 15:51.33 | greycat | gahan: look for a separate package that may have it |
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| 15:51.43 | mIRC`v6a | but i just installed it |
| 15:52.09 | RichiH | !tell mIRC`v6a about locales |
| 15:52.18 | silverton | damn... quite a few people working on the project died... >.< |
| 15:52.27 | gahan | ok found it :) thx |
| 15:52.29 | RainbowW | furrywolf: why do you say that? |
| 15:52.36 | jetscreamer | mIRC`v6a: you need to change /etc/apt/sources.list change anything in there that says woody or stable to sarge. then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:52.58 | greycat | jetscreamer: isn't that wrong? |
| 15:52.58 | furrywolf | rainbow: most programs work with either form |
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| 15:53.01 | jetscreamer | mIRC`v6a: you might really want to totally reinstall though. |
| 15:53.09 | silverton | greycat, sounds wrong to me |
| 15:53.21 | justin | apt-get isn't even the recommended way to upgrade to sarge |
| 15:53.38 | silverton | mIRC`v6a, you need to change anything that says stable to testing |
| 15:53.40 | greycat | there's a REASON we told that mirc fool to /msg dpkg woody->sarge at least 3 times (plus once it was even !tell'ed to him) |
| 15:53.41 | poncha | anything i can do before declaring a disk dead if it can't be repartitioned with fdisk or scanned by fsck ? |
| 15:53.54 | poncha | i care less of disk itself than of its contents |
| 15:53.56 | RichiH | jetscreamer: apt-get borks on an upgrade afaik |
| 15:54.01 | RichiH | too many packets |
| 15:54.05 | poncha | so i cannot try dd'ing onto it |
| 15:54.07 | furrywolf | http://ubersoft.net/ <== he. he. hehehe. :) |
| 15:54.12 | RichiH | erm, packages |
| 15:54.20 | petemc | poncha: dd _from_ it, to a file |
| 15:54.23 | jetscreamer | oh yeah so NOW you fools admit that dselect is REALLY > * |
| 15:54.34 | RainbowW | i don't understand ... what's the juju to getting the mppe/mppc patch to actually work? i get undefined symbol errors trying to load the module. static compile? (i've -always- detested modules) |
| 15:54.43 | mIRC`v6a | if i change video controller that work with woody ? |
| 15:54.49 | RichiH | jetscreamer: dselect is the worst thing ever contrived |
| 15:54.55 | furrywolf | dselect rules. |
| 15:55.08 | greycat | no, debian/rules |
| 15:55.09 | furrywolf | easy to use, and does what I want it to. :P |
| 15:55.09 | poncha | petemc, you mean the disk or specific partitions ? |
| 15:55.13 | RichiH | greycat: heh |
| 15:55.20 | justin | jetscreamer: actually now, they admit that aptitude is better |
| 15:55.23 | RainbowW | dselect sucks, but it's certainly better than aptitude. aptitude made me cry. |
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| 15:55.26 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
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| 15:55.34 | poncha | and then try to mount loopback right ? |
| 15:55.39 | jetscreamer | ~RainbowW++ |
| 15:55.43 | petemc | poncha: well, if the partition table is b0rked, that might be hard |
| 15:55.46 | RichiH | justin: that neiter. i just use sid and don't need to upgrade as many packages :) |
| 15:56.01 | RichiH | if i really would need to, i would use aptitude, i guess, though |
| 15:56.05 | poncha | petemc, any chance partition table may be reconstructed from copies ? |
| 15:56.09 | justin | RichiH: heh, leave your computer off for 2 weeks or so and then say that... |
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| 15:56.18 | cryana | hello |
| 15:56.19 | RichiH | justin: been there, done that ;) |
| 15:56.20 | petemc | poncha: maybe, ive never had much luck with that sort of thing |
| 15:56.27 | poncha | but then again first i need to locate the copies |
| 15:56.28 | justin | I still need to write a program to fix the status file for my desktop |
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| 15:56.30 | cryana | save your kisses for me |
| 15:56.30 | jetscreamer | craptitude! |
| 15:56.50 | cryana | lest me show o de wey |
| 15:56.58 | justin | my desktop has a multi-megabyte status file full of packages that haven't existed for years, dpkg is slow as anything on it |
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| 15:57.37 | paulswm | New qotd... |
| 15:57.38 | paulswm | !qotd90 |
| 15:57.38 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd90 is <turaj> i was able to install sarge on i915 <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there |
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| 15:58.12 | silverton | .... @ that quote |
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| 15:58.29 | silverton | pci disk controller for a laptop... that's funny |
| 15:58.53 | mIRC`v6a | in http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/video.html page there is my video cards |
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| 15:59.02 | greycat | was turaj asking a question, or simply forgot the "not" in a complaint, or was he making a successful install report? |
| 15:59.06 | paulswm | greycat: Maybe I cut it down too much, the conversation was about a laptop |
| 15:59.18 | tarzeau | s4rg3: no i'm not a moron that doens't know dd parameters |
| 15:59.32 | tarzeau | s4rg3: i made that for morons that don't understand unix command parameters |
| 15:59.39 | tarzeau | s4rg3: will you use ubercopy? |
| 15:59.51 | caphuso | greycat: the latter |
| 16:00.01 | paulswm | greycat: perhaps I should remove "<turaj> i was able to install sarge on i915" |
| 16:00.16 | greycat | paulswm: it needs to start out with whatever the laptop reference is. |
| 16:00.23 | RainbowW | i don't understand ... what's the juju to getting the mppe/mppc patch to actually work? i get undefined symbol errors trying to load the module. static compile? (i've -always- detested modules) |
| 16:00.24 | silverton | werd |
| 16:00.27 | mIRC`v6a | jest can you help me a moment please ? |
| 16:00.38 | furrywolf | rainboww: you already said that. |
| 16:00.43 | poncha | petemc, dd: reading `/dev/hdb1': Input/output error :( |
| 16:00.45 | silverton | furrywolf, my thoughts exactly |
| 16:00.48 | greycat | RainbowW: ask a linux channel or an mppe/mppc channel |
| 16:00.56 | petemc | poncha: dd_rescue |
| 16:01.06 | Knight_Lord | How do i make mdadm-raid start at runlevel 2 using update-rc.d? |
| 16:01.14 | petemc | poncha: its not packaged, but its not hard to build |
| 16:01.25 | mIRC`v6a | jetscreamer can you help me a moment |
| 16:01.34 | mIRC`v6a | i just installed woody |
| 16:01.47 | paulswm | greycat: the i915 reference should be removed also, I'll reread the log and fix0r it :) |
| 16:01.52 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 16:01.52 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 16:01.54 | poncha | petemc, found pkg 'ddrescue' in apt source |
| 16:01.58 | s4rg3 | tarzeau, i dont know |
| 16:02.09 | mIRC`v6a | to upgrade to sarge i just download from the net testing verion ok ? |
| 16:02.15 | petemc | poncha: good man yerself |
| 16:02.24 | poncha | ok thanks :) |
| 16:02.25 | petemc | poncha: its been a while since i used it |
| 16:02.26 | silverton | Is there a significant difference between xorg and xfree86? |
| 16:02.26 | CompBrain | what utility can I extract tar.gz2 with? |
| 16:02.34 | tarzeau | CompBrain: file the.tar.gz2 |
| 16:02.34 | Phated | CompBrain: tar. |
| 16:02.35 | greycat | CompBrain: gz2? |
| 16:02.37 | silverton | CompBrain, tar -xjf or xzf |
| 16:02.39 | CompBrain | gz2 |
| 16:02.49 | CompBrain | not bz2 |
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| 16:02.52 | tarzeau | CompBrain: type file your.tar.gz2 |
| 16:02.56 | CompBrain | sec |
| 16:03.01 | silverton | :-/ |
| 16:03.07 | zinx | CompBrain: the .tar part can be done with tar, as for the gz2.. figure out what it really is :/ |
| 16:03.08 | CompBrain | some other admin made the archive |
| 16:03.17 | tarzeau | CompBrain: type file your.tar.gz2 |
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| 16:03.25 | jetscreamer | mIRC`v6a: i can retype what i typed earlier, but on second thought, you might be happier just downloading a copy of d-i (50-115 mb) and reinstalling sarge from scratch. this will give you alsa support, hotplug, and discover. i believe you might be best served just reinstalling sarge. |
| 16:03.26 | CompBrain | Waiting for the copy to finish |
| 16:03.26 | tarzeau | CompBrain: some other admin is a moron |
| 16:03.32 | s4rg3 | do you make backup of ur linux partition ? |
| 16:03.41 | CompBrain | ah |
| 16:03.43 | s4rg3 | tarzeau, |
| 16:03.43 | tarzeau | zinx: if it's really tar and not, say zip |
| 16:03.43 | CompBrain | it is bz2 |
| 16:03.46 | furrywolf | "ur" is not a word. |
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| 16:03.56 | tarzeau | CompBrain: what's the name of that other admin? |
| 16:03.57 | silverton | !ur |
| 16:03.57 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 16:03.58 | jetscreamer | is too, it's an ancient land |
| 16:03.58 | CompBrain | thanks =P, wanted to make sure gz2 wasnt something cryptic ive never yeard of |
| 16:03.59 | CompBrain | thanks |
| 16:04.04 | jetscreamer | see? it IS a word |
| 16:04.15 | CompBrain | tarzeau: pn =P |
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| 16:04.21 | slak- | hi |
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| 16:04.27 | CompBrain | Thanks guys, you have me the shove i needed :) |
| 16:04.29 | slak- | someone clue me in wtf allocation failed: out of vmalloc space - use vmalloc=<size> to increase size. means |
| 16:04.33 | zinx | tarzeau: mmm, 100 part rar file named foo.tar.gzXXX |
| 16:04.36 | slak- | and what i need to do to fix it |
| 16:04.41 | tarzeau | zinx: yuck |
| 16:04.52 | furrywolf | jetscreamer: a name is not a word. |
| 16:04.55 | tarzeau | slak-: who said that? |
| 16:05.07 | jetscreamer | furrywolf is not a word |
| 16:05.08 | furrywolf | although, of course "IT" is a word. :P |
| 16:05.08 | slak- | what?> its coming from dmesg |
| 16:05.08 | jetscreamer | ok |
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| 16:05.25 | tarzeau | slak-: what command made it into dmesg? |
| 16:05.33 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: SYN SYN SYN SYN SYN SYN SYN SYN |
| 16:05.40 | slak- | tarzeau what are you talking about |
| 16:05.41 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: BUBBLE BUBBLE? |
| 16:05.43 | slak- | its a kernel message |
| 16:05.46 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: flooding your ports :-P |
| 16:05.47 | jetscreamer | john is not a word |
| 16:05.49 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yeah |
| 16:05.52 | greycat | tarzeau: TOIL AND TROUBLE |
| 16:05.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: bubbles |
| 16:05.58 | jetscreamer | microsoft is not a word |
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| 16:06.10 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'm still at work, but say in one and a half hour i can be at home |
| 16:06.18 | tarzeau | greycat: what game is that? |
| 16:06.21 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ok |
| 16:06.24 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im at work too |
| 16:06.31 | tarzeau | greycat: really trz http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 16:06.32 | dooglus | masoft: sorry - I was away. On my system I see a package called 'openoffice.org-kde' |
| 16:06.39 | slak- | so whats up anyone know wtf that vmalloc error is |
| 16:06.43 | jetscreamer | i'm self employed, i'm at work 24/7/365 :( |
| 16:06.55 | slak- | meminfo: |
| 16:06.55 | slak- | VmallocTotal: 114680 kB |
| 16:06.55 | slak- | VmallocUsed: 114632 kB |
| 16:06.55 | slak- | VmallocChunk: 28 kB |
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| 16:06.58 | jetscreamer | malloc is memory allocation or something |
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| 16:07.04 | Knight_Lord | donatello:/etc# update-rc.d mdadm-raid defaults |
| 16:07.04 | Knight_Lord | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.04 | slak- | ;/ |
| 16:07.09 | Knight_Lord | What's the problem with this? |
| 16:07.20 | slak- | its already added to rc |
| 16:07.20 | greycat | tarzeau: actually it's "Double double, toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble." |
| 16:07.21 | bcole | vmalloc is virtual memory allocation |
| 16:07.35 | slak- | bcole why am i getting that error in my dmesg |
| 16:07.39 | slak- | those values are close |
| 16:07.43 | Phated | greycat: Wasn't it "cauldron brow and potion bubble"? |
| 16:07.47 | Phated | brew. |
| 16:07.53 | bcole | my guess is your swap size is too small, but thats just a wild guess |
| 16:07.54 | Knight_Lord | slak i just want to change i |
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| 16:08.04 | paulswm | greycat: fix0red, but I hate for it to be so big, and perhaps it's only me that enjoys the zinger at the end |
| 16:08.08 | slak- | SwapTotal: 2731008 kB |
| 16:08.08 | paulswm | !qotd90 |
| 16:08.08 | dpkg | from memory, qotd90 is <rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation in here before <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't ... |
| 16:08.17 | greycat | Phated: afraid not. |
| 16:08.18 | tarzeau | btw i'm still collection video and other rom images |
| 16:08.26 | Phated | Fair enough. |
| 16:08.27 | tarzeau | if someone wants to help me: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ |
| 16:08.29 | DexterF-vm | ok, newbie question: wanted automake1.9 in testing, so i told apt-get -t unstable install automake1.9. all looks fine but the app i want to compile still complains i only got automake1.4. what do i need to do? |
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| 16:08.42 | greycat | DexterF-vm: ls -l /usr/bin/automake* |
| 16:08.43 | slak- | bcole SwapTotal: 2731008 kB |
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| 16:08.50 | Knight_Lord | slak- i guess doing it by hand is simpler |
| 16:08.58 | slak- | bcole wapFree: 2731004 kB |
| 16:09.04 | slak- | +S |
| 16:09.12 | slak- | MemTotal: 3117148 kB |
| 16:09.57 | DexterF-vm | greycat: there's two, 1.4 *and* 1.9 |
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| 16:10.18 | mrwill | DexterF-vm: right, that's what he was pointing out to you. |
| 16:10.46 | mrwill | DexterF-vm: you need to tell the 'configure' script which one you want, probably. |
| 16:11.03 | DexterF-vm | i would have thought debian's dep management would have uninstalled 1.4. can remove safely? |
| 16:11.07 | greycat | mrwill: or look at the symlink to alternatives... |
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| 16:11.19 | greycat | DexterF-vm: man update-alternatives |
| 16:11.28 | DexterF-vm | k |
| 16:11.30 | tzafrir | an apt issue: I want to use apt as a packages downloader. For starters, I try to run it with 'apt-get -o Dir=$PWD/Aptdir -d install hello |
| 16:11.50 | tarzeau | tzafrir: that's not a question |
| 16:11.59 | tzafrir | It seems to completely ignore the setting of Dir |
| 16:12.54 | tzafrir | Can I override all of apt-get's configured pathes with just Dir, or do I have to override each separately? |
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| 16:12.55 | RainbowW | shutdown -r now. hasta. |
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| 16:13.22 | GentooGuy | Are there any good Web Site Builder apps for linux? |
| 16:13.28 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: mcedit |
| 16:13.39 | greycat | GentooGuy: vim |
| 16:13.41 | tzafrir | GentooGuy, perl |
| 16:14.02 | mrwill | man, you guys are brutal |
| 16:14.03 | tzafrir | And vim isn't that bad, either |
| 16:14.03 | GentooGuy | no I mean ones that come with a template and that can be modified to suit my needs |
| 16:14.09 | GentooGuy | :) |
| 16:14.23 | greycat | GentooGuy: cp template.html myfile.html; vim myfile.html |
| 16:14.24 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: touch template.html && mcedit template.html |
| 16:14.35 | xtension | !test |
| 16:14.35 | dpkg | Yes, xtension, you're still online. |
| 16:14.39 | GentooGuy | There was an app I saw a while ago that looked quite nice but I forgot the name of it |
| 16:14.54 | tzafrir | GentooGuy, for what environment? |
| 16:14.55 | xtension | GentooGuy google for cms |
| 16:14.59 | GentooGuy | Debian |
| 16:15.03 | tarzeau | haha |
| 16:15.10 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: try apt-cache stats |
| 16:15.22 | tzafrir | X? You want to build a static site? Build a web app? |
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| 16:15.34 | tarzeau | tzafrir: he wants to eat clue cookies |
| 16:15.38 | GentooGuy | found the app I am looking for mamboserver it is called |
| 16:15.53 | GentooGuy | now just have to check if there is a debian package for it |
| 16:15.54 | GentooGuy | thanks |
| 16:15.58 | mrwill | GentooGuy: there are better cms apps than that out there, man. |
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| 16:16.03 | wwallace | hello 2 all |
| 16:16.06 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: it's not free software |
| 16:16.14 | wwallace | if lxdvdrip doesnt work what else can i use? |
| 16:16.16 | tarzeau | !2 |
| 16:16.16 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 16:16.18 | dooglus | anyone know how to get 'middle click' on a tab in firefox deerpark to close the tab? |
| 16:16.19 | Supaplex | any crippling issues in sid right now? |
| 16:16.22 | GentooGuy | mamboserver is open source of course it is free |
| 16:16.23 | tzafrir | tarzeau, isn't mambo free? |
| 16:16.28 | tarzeau | Supaplex: kde and gnome are broken |
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| 16:16.33 | tarzeau | tzafrir: no way it is free |
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| 16:16.38 | silverton | "firefox deerpark" ? |
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| 16:16.50 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: open source != free software |
| 16:16.51 | dooglus | silverton: the new firefox alpha |
| 16:16.54 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: what's the license then? |
| 16:16.59 | silverton | oh =/ |
| 16:17.05 | GentooGuy | tarzeau I know it is free why are u telling me? |
| 16:17.06 | dooglus | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/deerpark/ |
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| 16:17.11 | Supaplex | anyway to upgrade just a few packages I specify? |
| 16:17.15 | greycat | dooglus: so ask #mozilla or #firefox |
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| 16:17.23 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: IT IS NOT FREE |
| 16:17.34 | stew | Supaplex: apt-get install pkg1 pkg2... |
| 16:17.35 | dooglus | greycat: good idea :) |
| 16:17.35 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: because you are telling it IS free, which is FUCKING NOT |
| 16:17.39 | greycat | Supaplex: apt-get install foo bar |
| 16:17.49 | Supaplex | GentooGuy: radiator is open source, but it's not free. there are plenty of others. |
| 16:17.55 | greycat | tarzeau: go CAPS! |
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| 16:18.14 | mrwill | tarzeau: what about this page? http://www.mamboserver.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=86 |
| 16:18.20 | DexterF-vm | how does one sell software when the code is open src? |
| 16:18.26 | GentooGuy | ok whatever I know for a fact mambo server is free |
| 16:18.32 | GentooGuy | I am downloading it as we speak |
| 16:18.39 | petemc | DexterF-vm: value added extras, support, etc |
| 16:18.42 | tarzeau | mrwill: i just downloaded it |
| 16:18.59 | DexterF-vm | ok, support. but that's support, not the product. |
| 16:19.04 | mrwill | tarzeau: so why isn't it free? says it's gpl? |
| 16:19.08 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: ok sorry, it is free software |
| 16:19.10 | greycat | GentooGuy: by which free license is it covered |
| 16:19.15 | zinx | i think mambo's one of the ones that couldn't even handle my password its handling of user input is so poor |
| 16:19.16 | tarzeau | mrwill: i can be wrong, can't i? |
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| 16:19.36 | tarzeau | WAIT |
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| 16:19.38 | mrwill | tarzeau: hey, no problem, I still think it's a cruddy system. |
| 16:19.43 | tarzeau | distribute Mambo for a fee, but not actually charging for the software itself, because Mambo is free. |
| 16:19.47 | tarzeau | IT IS NOT FREE |
| 16:19.48 | mrwill | tarzeau: free or not. |
| 16:19.50 | tarzeau | they are only idiots |
| 16:19.52 | tarzeau | mrwill: NOT |
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| 16:20.12 | Sirius_Black | is KDE3.4 in Sid yet? |
| 16:20.15 | mrwill | tarzeau: well, gpl says you can charge for distributing software, just the way people sell linux cds. |
| 16:20.16 | greycat | Sirius_Black: /topic |
| 16:20.22 | greycat | Sirius_Black: pdo |
| 16:20.24 | FlopsyPete | are other people seeing the problem with firefox 1.0.4 (not earlier versions) where the toolbar, status bar, menu etc suddenly turn into a blank grey? |
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| 16:20.32 | tarzeau | mrwill: i can not sell the software? |
| 16:20.45 | silverton | FlopsyPete, I did notice that... |
| 16:20.47 | mrwill | tarzeau: no, you cannot, but you can charge for distributing it. |
| 16:20.50 | jasoncohen | debian does pacakge mambo but it's in experimental. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/web/mambo |
| 16:20.51 | liran_ | how can i check the installed version of glib2? |
| 16:20.56 | greycat | liran_: man dpkg |
| 16:20.58 | zinx | tarzeau: you can sell the software |
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| 16:21.08 | DexterF-vm | heard kde-3.4 wont be in unstable til sarge is stable? |
| 16:21.09 | tarzeau | mrwill: i thought i can, like zinx says |
| 16:21.14 | GentooGuy | damn |
| 16:21.17 | liran_ | only dpkg -l 'glib2*' ? |
| 16:21.17 | GentooGuy | read here http://www.mamboserver.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=86 |
| 16:21.27 | zinx | tarzeau: but anyone you distribute it to can redistribute it without having to pay you anything more :/ |
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| 16:21.40 | FlopsyPete | silverton: I'm seeing it a lot, the maintainer hasn't replied to the bug report yet. in my opinion its an RC bug. how often do you see it? |
| 16:21.43 | tarzeau | zinx: i know that |
| 16:21.45 | silverton | knoppix, go to #knoppi |
| 16:21.45 | zinx | tarzeau: although, see sveasoft for an example of exploitation of the GPL |
| 16:21.49 | silverton | * #knoppix |
| 16:21.54 | mrwill | tarzeau: zinx is right, but the point is, you can't charge licensing fees, only distribution fees. |
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| 16:22.02 | silverton | FlopsyPete, it annoyed me, so I stopped using firefox |
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| 16:22.23 | liran_ | when a package requires 'glib2 >= 2.2.0' it ctually means glibc2 right? |
| 16:22.25 | tarzeau | mrwill: i wasn't charging licensing fees, only a software fee (by download) |
| 16:22.31 | tzafrir | liran_, dpkg -l libc6 |
| 16:22.32 | greycat | liran_: NO. It means libglib2-dev or similar. |
| 16:22.38 | FlopsyPete | silverton: what version did you see it with (I'll add info to the bug that others are seeing it) |
| 16:22.57 | greycat | liran_: apt-cache search -- lib glib2 -dev |
| 16:23.00 | silverton | 1.0.3, iirc, then it got upgraded, and I still saw it |
| 16:23.04 | mrwill | tarzeau: I'm sure what you did was within the gpl license. |
| 16:23.09 | zinx | mrwill: that's because it's covered by copyright; i.e., you own your copy of it, but are restricted in how you can duplicate it |
| 16:23.19 | silverton | so, I just started using epiphany, it loads quicker anyhow |
| 16:23.22 | FlopsyPete | silverton: thanks for the info |
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| 16:23.30 | tzafrir | tarzeau, any evidence that mambo is not free? its site claims it is. http://help.mamboserver.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=107&Itemid=62 |
| 16:23.38 | greycat | tarzeau: charging for downloads is allowed by the GPL. |
| 16:23.46 | greycat | tarzeau: but you must make the source code available for free |
| 16:23.50 | liran_ | well libc6 and libc6-dev are installed, though glibc2 is not. the package i want to install requires glib2, does it mean im set to go? |
| 16:24.01 | greycat | liran_: NOT libc6!! |
| 16:24.02 | zinx | greycat: only to those who got binaries |
| 16:24.09 | greycat | zinx: right |
| 16:24.32 | liran_ | oh, libglib2 |
| 16:24.42 | GentooGuy | didn't mean to make a whole discussion about it but tarzeau the answer is here http://www.mamboserver.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=86 |
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| 16:24.44 | tzafrir | liran_, sorry, I thought you asked about glib*c*, which is libc6 |
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| 16:24.53 | bob2 | what's mambo written in? |
| 16:24.58 | bob2 | oh god, php |
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| 16:25.00 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: yes you're right, you can take one karma away from me |
| 16:25.03 | greycat | tzafrir: the URL that was pasted here says mambo is GPL. |
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| 16:25.07 | greycat | tzafrir: GPL is DFSG-free. |
| 16:25.08 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: but your nickname sucks anyways |
| 16:25.09 | liran_ | yeah, i saw your comment tzafrir and missed greycat's :) |
| 16:25.10 | streuner | GentooGuy: do you feel not stupid using such a nick? ;-) |
| 16:25.16 | liran_ | ok so libglib2 is installed, i think im set then |
| 16:25.17 | GentooGuy | no I don't should I |
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| 16:25.21 | greycat | liran_: -dev |
| 16:25.25 | tarzeau | streuner: and i thought i was alone |
| 16:25.26 | GentooGuy | does it matter the nick in this room? |
| 16:25.33 | greycat | GentooGuy: you'll be judged by it. |
| 16:25.33 | streuner | tarzeau: ;-) |
| 16:25.37 | GentooGuy | I will change it if I am offending someone |
| 16:25.37 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: unless you mean the file manager |
| 16:25.46 | tarzeau | GentooGuy: it's not offending, just so cheap |
| 16:25.52 | GentooGuy | thanks u 2 |
| 16:25.57 | greycat | and by your l33t speak. |
| 16:26.11 | gahan | how do i use perl -pi -e 's|bla|blah|g' recursively?? |
| 16:26.13 | tzafrir | the file manager or the duck? |
| 16:26.15 | DexterF-vm | GentooGuy: you bow to every other guy who tells you what to do? fight. |
| 16:26.15 | silverton | GentooGuy, : |
| 16:26.17 | silverton | !u |
| 16:26.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:26.27 | greycat | gahan: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's/.../' |
| 16:26.36 | gahan | thx |
| 16:26.38 | GentooGuy | I don't bow but it is a stupid thing to fight about don't u think |
| 16:26.43 | liran_ | greycat, i only got "ii libglib2.0-0 2.6.4-1" let me see if i can find the development pacakge for it |
| 16:26.53 | GentooGuy | give me a real reason to fight and I will fry his machine ;) |
| 16:26.56 | greycat | 12:22 greycat> liran_: NO. It means libglib2-dev or similar. |
| 16:26.57 | greycat | 12:22 greycat> liran_: apt-cache search -- lib glib2 -dev |
| 16:27.13 | greycat | GentooGuy: and by your lame script kiddie threats. |
| 16:27.18 | mrwill | liran_: yeah, sometimes you'll need the -dev package too. |
| 16:27.19 | greycat | that's three so far. |
| 16:27.27 | GentooGuy | script kiddie :) |
| 16:27.34 | GentooGuy | sure whatever u say |
| 16:27.49 | silverton | !u |
| 16:27.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:27.52 | silverton | >:O |
| 16:27.55 | liran_ | greycat, well dpkg -l 'libglib2*' returned only ii libglib2.0-0 2.6.4-1 and un libglib2.0-data so none of those are dev |
| 16:28.02 | mrwill | man, now he's annoying me, and I'm pretty hard to annoy. |
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| 16:28.08 | greycat | arc1:~$ apt-cache search -- lib glib2 -dev |
| 16:28.08 | greycat | libglib2.0-dev - Development files for the GLib library |
| 16:28.09 | greycat | IDIOT! |
| 16:28.10 | liran_ | greycat, and the aptitue search for what you gave me results in too many, im gonna have to go through it |
| 16:28.21 | greycat | I get *one* result. |
| 16:28.22 | silverton | greycat, napoleon dynamite impersonator? |
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| 16:28.34 | liran_ | greycat, well im getting more than a hanful :p |
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| 16:28.45 | silverton | er... >.< |
| 16:28.52 | greycat | even on sid, I only get one. |
| 16:28.54 | bob2 | liran_: greycat gave you the exact command to run to find it quickly |
| 16:29.05 | GentooGuy | ls |
| 16:29.07 | liran_ | oh wait, i've been runing aptitude search, while you were refering to apt-cache search |
| 16:29.09 | liran_ | sorry |
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| 16:29.19 | liran_ | my bad |
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| 16:29.59 | liran_ | its just that we were saying that i'll be sticking to one tool, either apt-get or aptitude to not break the system |
| 16:30.15 | GentooGuy | bob2: is php bad or something? |
| 16:30.25 | DexterF-vm | do they get in each other's way? |
| 16:30.29 | bob2 | DexterF-vm: no |
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| 16:30.29 | streuner | GentooGuy: php5 |
| 16:30.47 | greycat | liran_: you can use apt-cache search without using apt-get. |
| 16:30.54 | shingouz | what do you guys think will happen to sid when sarge goes stable, will it become massively unstable to the point of near unuseablility for a while? |
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| 16:31.17 | iostream | Why is it that using iptables/netfilter makes it take 10 seconds longer to login with ssh? |
| 16:31.21 | greycat | shingouz: I hope so. |
| 16:31.22 | bob2 | shingouz: no |
| 16:31.23 | streuner | shingouz: nobody knows what happens |
| 16:31.30 | jharrisonwk | iostream: thats your imagination |
| 16:31.33 | Supaplex | shingouz: sid will never go stable. |
| 16:31.38 | greycat | all the better to point and laugh at the newbies who ignored our warnings. |
| 16:31.43 | shingouz | Supaplex: that i know |
| 16:31.47 | bob2 | iostream: your iptables rules are broken |
| 16:31.54 | bob2 | you're probably blocking dns or ident or something |
| 16:31.55 | iostream | jharrisonwk: No. It's definetly not. It is an old machine though.. 350MHz .. |
| 16:31.55 | streuner | shingouz: *shrug* who knows what happens in *unstable* ;-) |
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| 16:32.15 | liran_ | greycat, thanks |
| 16:32.24 | shingouz | i am jus thinking should i point my sources to etch for a while... i am not too much of a geek yet :p |
| 16:32.51 | iostream | bob2: Could you please checkout http://iostream.dk/paste/index.php?id=67 and see what I have done wrong? |
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| 16:33.08 | icyfire | shingouz: etch isn't even out yet, just leave it at testing and you should be fine, (i think) |
| 16:33.10 | shingouz | otoh, i like the latest versions of a few things. maybe i need to do some pinning for a while |
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| 16:33.24 | shingouz | icyfire: i run sid.... |
| 16:33.31 | icyfire | shingouz: oh, oops |
| 16:33.35 | shingouz | :) |
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| 16:33.39 | greycat | shingouz: or you could just *not upgrade*. |
| 16:34.03 | Supaplex | nobody runs sid in mother russisa. in mother russia, sid runs YOU. |
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| 16:34.42 | greycat | dpkg, gritsmite $1 is <action> pours hot grits down $1's pants |
| 16:34.42 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 16:34.46 | greycat | !gritsmite Supaplex = |
| 16:34.54 | K_Dallas | Does someone knows how many people actually are in the development team of Debian? approximately? (just curious;) |
| 16:35.00 | K_Dallas | -s |
| 16:35.02 | greycat | K_Dallas: a thousand |
| 16:35.12 | K_Dallas | really? |
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| 16:35.23 | K_Dallas | that is good |
| 16:35.23 | bob2 | a thousand DD's |
| 16:35.25 | zinx | K_Dallas: yes |
| 16:35.29 | shingouz | greycat: i am not planning on doing an upgrade, just considering making the system testing for the time sid takes to stabilize somewhat. i have been running sid for a couple of years now without any major problems and do not want to have any major problems either. i think i need to think :) |
| 16:35.31 | K_Dallas | nice :) |
| 16:35.32 | bob2 | some large fraction of which are inactive |
| 16:35.39 | K_Dallas | oh! |
| 16:35.40 | bob2 | but a lot of non-DD's do things, too |
| 16:35.51 | albino | Is there a way to determine what date a package was last installed? |
| 16:35.57 | shingouz | greycat: do the grits coem with salt too? |
| 16:36.01 | shingouz | come even |
| 16:36.06 | K_Dallas | well they deserve to be thanked |
| 16:36.13 | greycat | shingouz: so do what you *should* have been doing all along. upgrade packages with caution, after checking the /topic here, and possibly the BTS. Subscribe to d-d-a. Keep backups. |
| 16:36.25 | DexterF-vm | apt-get install xlibs-dev tells me libxrandr-dev depends on it but must not be installed. can't remember telling it so. |
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| 16:36.26 | greycat | shingouz: no salt, no ketchup. |
| 16:36.36 | shingouz | ketchup... with grits... eww |
| 16:36.36 | greycat | shingouz: possibly tabasco. |
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| 16:36.46 | paulswm | Eeew, grits and ketchup |
| 16:36.56 | streuner | albino: via ls in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 16:36.56 | bob2 | people actually eat grits? |
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| 16:37.01 | greycat | bob2: yes |
| 16:37.03 | shingouz | yes they do |
| 16:37.04 | K_Dallas | what is grits? |
| 16:37.10 | greycat | K_Dallas: kind of like oatmeal |
| 16:37.22 | K_Dallas | + kethcup? wierd ;) |
| 16:37.37 | K_Dallas | who eat it like that? |
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| 16:37.45 | greycat | nobody |
| 16:37.46 | shingouz | K_Dallas: as i said. grits with ketchup == ewww |
| 16:37.50 | K_Dallas | maple maybe but ketchup? |
| 16:37.52 | albino | streuner: thanks |
| 16:38.08 | shingouz | i know one person who does grits with ketchup in real life. he is very weird though |
| 16:38.11 | bob2 | K_Dallas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grits |
| 16:38.18 | bob2 | K_Dallas: (I didn't really know what they were) |
| 16:38.36 | jetscreamer | grits are served in some of the finer jails across the usa |
| 16:38.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.42 | greycat | GROSS! |
| 16:38.47 | cahoot | why would a debian kernel stubbornly tell me it can't find rtc.ko when it's oviously in place where the kernel says it looks for it? |
| 16:38.54 | K_Dallas | so it is corn, thanks bob2 |
| 16:38.55 | streuner | jetscreamer: haha |
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| 16:39.28 | jetscreamer | streuner: it's cheap, and a southern 'tradition' |
| 16:39.34 | jetscreamer | not just in jail |
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| 16:40.29 | Supaplex | !diaper greycat |
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| 16:41.03 | K_Dallas | In Canada, Grits is a slang term for members of the Liberal Party of Canada or the provincial Liberal parties. (now i remember where i have heard it;) |
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| 16:41.45 | shingouz | K_Dallas: candians eat liberals? |
| 16:42.00 | K_Dallas | ;) right now, that is a strong possibility :):) |
| 16:42.10 | iostream | jharrisonwk: Logintime without iptables: 4s, with iptables: 30s.. Rules at: http://iostream.dk/paste/index.php?id=6 <- Don't see why that should slow things significantly down... |
| 16:42.10 | shingouz | wiht butter? |
| 16:42.26 | paulswm | In jail, "grits" is what a new prisoner does with his teeth just before having his first romantic experience. |
| 16:42.30 | jharrisonwk | iostream: you writing rules yourself |
| 16:42.32 | jetscreamer | i prefer hash browns |
| 16:42.33 | iostream | jharrisonwk: That would be http://iostream.dk/paste/index.php?id=67 |
| 16:42.37 | Phated | !paulswm++ |
| 16:42.39 | iostream | jharrisonwk: Yes... |
| 16:42.40 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: gritsmite (.*?) =~ s/grits/grits(| with (butter|salt and pepper|gravy|milk|brown sugar|cheese|cheese and eggs))/ |
| 16:42.40 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 16:42.47 | paulswm | Phated :D |
| 16:42.54 | greycat | !gritsmite bob2 |
| 16:43.04 | jetscreamer | i think grits taste better with salt&pepper, i forget |
| 16:43.42 | streuner | greycat: hehe :-) |
| 16:43.59 | cmvo | Hi! I installed sarge using d-i rc3 no choosing any tasks in tasksel. Now aptitude is showing any tasks, just c-dev in "Unrecognized tasks". tasksel is installed and the task description file is there. Any ideas? |
| 16:44.11 | greycat | cmvo: dselect update |
| 16:44.26 | jetscreamer | !say craptitude |
| 16:44.27 | dpkg | craptitude |
| 16:44.41 | paulswm | !singlishsmite jetscreamer |
| 16:44.41 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You damn cock up, ah you! |
| 16:44.45 | paulswm | :P |
| 16:44.55 | jetscreamer | damn, i have a lot of spiders |
| 16:45.42 | jetscreamer | i hate snakes and roaches |
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| 16:46.08 | shingouz | roaches and snakes are not fun but they are tolerable. spiders.. bring me my shotgun |
| 16:46.27 | furrywolf | I like spiders. they eat the annoying bugs. |
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| 16:46.41 | jetscreamer | i used to like to shoot the heads off of snakes with the 12guage, from like 1 foot away, when i was a kid |
| 16:46.43 | shingouz | furrywolf: you should set them on microsoft then |
| 16:46.45 | paulswm | Spiders are good. The enemy of my enemy... |
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| 16:46.55 | cmvo | greycat: no change |
| 16:46.57 | Phated | Is really icky. |
| 16:47.02 | streuner | !mhallsmite bidwatcher |
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| 16:47.02 | jetscreamer | yes i like the spiders because they eat the things i don't like |
| 16:47.02 | dpkg | Fuck bidwatcher. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 16:47.26 | streuner | its unstable as hell in unstable... |
| 16:47.28 | shingouz | spiders are creepy imho |
| 16:47.34 | furrywolf | use jbidwatcher. requires java, but works quite well. it's also developed by furs... |
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| 16:47.57 | jetscreamer | my brother got bit by a brown recluse once, or some spider, he was sick as hell and may have almost died |
| 16:48.28 | jetscreamer | his leg puffed up like you wouldn't believe |
| 16:48.30 | streuner | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3977784101&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 |
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| 16:48.39 | furrywolf | I've been known to come out from under houses after running cable (I install directv) covered in spiders from head to toe. |
| 16:48.46 | jetscreamer | yuck |
| 16:48.52 | jetscreamer | mucho yuck |
| 16:49.18 | jetscreamer | ah eck gross yuck |
| 16:49.23 | jetscreamer | with many !'s |
| 16:49.24 | silverton | furrywolf, I try to avoid that |
| 16:49.25 | zinx | jetscreamer: brown recluses leave a hole where they bit, as i understand it |
| 16:49.27 | gpm | hey. i was just running gnome and i logged out and now nautilus has gone defunct, but i can't figure out for the life of me what the parent is... |
| 16:49.40 | zinx | jetscreamer: like, not from the bite, but from the poison causing the skin to decay around the bite |
| 16:49.50 | icyfire | gpm: did you do ps aux -H to see if its more obvious? |
| 16:50.00 | nutshell42 | hi, I use debian unstable for a router and masquerading is unbelievably slow. Downloads from the router work normally but from any other host in the local net it's not even a third of that. tia |
| 16:50.03 | paulswm | !singlishsmite jetscreamer |
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| 16:50.03 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/gdm restart might do something, but it's not gonna teach you anything |
| 16:50.04 | dpkg | jetscreamer: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
| 16:50.11 | *** part/#debian albino (albino@129.123.41.6) |
| 16:50.12 | bob2 | iostream: I don't know which of them is doing it |
| 16:50.21 | shingouz | i see a spider i kill it, i do not ask for an id or nationality, i just zap it :p |
| 16:50.22 | bob2 | iostream: I suspect one of them is blocking the rdns check ssh is trying to do, tho |
| 16:50.28 | gpm | icyfire: lemme try that. |
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| 16:50.39 | RichiH | streuner: not getting that t-shirt is no loss |
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| 16:50.56 | streuner | RichiH: well, it was my taste ... |
| 16:50.59 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 16:50.59 | dpkg | :), jetscreamer |
| 16:51.02 | bob2 | happy mailman day! |
| 16:51.08 | RichiH | streuner: get a new one |
| 16:51.08 | paulswm | I see about one black widow a week here, I do kill those although I hate to :( |
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| 16:51.34 | silverton | my friend lit a black widow on fire, it popped and screamed, I couldn't help but laugh |
| 16:51.39 | silverton | archniphobia-- |
| 16:51.41 | streuner | RichiH: bidwatcher wasn't the last month stable... |
| 16:51.43 | silverton | *arachniphobia |
| 16:51.50 | bob2 | hah |
| 16:51.53 | RichiH | arachnophobia |
| 16:51.53 | bob2 | still wrong ;) |
| 16:52.02 | streuner | RichiH: abount 6 months ago it was... |
| 16:52.09 | RichiH | streuner: i meant taste, not bidwatcher ;) |
| 16:52.21 | streuner | RichiH: i know |
| 16:52.27 | silverton | oh well, ya'll knew what I meant ;P |
| 16:52.59 | gpm | icyfire: thanks |
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| 16:53.11 | silverton | this is a funny one |
| 16:53.11 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:53.45 | RichiH | !dict arachnophobia |
| 16:53.46 | dpkg | could not find definition for arachnophobia |
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| 16:53.52 | RichiH | hrmpf |
| 16:54.05 | paulswm | silverton: heh, like spelling "diohare^Wdiahrea^Wthe quickshits" |
| 16:54.06 | greycat | try ravenbird |
| 16:54.16 | yesterday | !dict ggyykkgg |
| 16:54.18 | RichiH | dict.leo says it's correct |
| 16:54.18 | dpkg | could not find definition for ggyykkgg |
| 16:54.24 | greycat | @spell diarrhea |
| 16:54.27 | RichiH | @dict arachnophobia |
| 16:54.28 | ravenbird | 'diarrhea' may be spelled correctly |
| 16:54.30 | ravenbird | could not find definition for arachnophobia |
| 16:54.35 | greycat | hrm. |
| 16:54.42 | RichiH | @wiki arachnophobia |
| 16:54.45 | paulswm | @dict arachnaphobia |
| 16:54.45 | RichiH | :p |
| 16:54.47 | ravenbird | could not find definition for arachnaphobia |
| 16:54.58 | shingouz | RichiH: arachnophobia is correct |
| 16:54.58 | icyfire | arachnophobia |
| 16:55.03 | bob2 | this is the 2st century |
| 16:55.05 | bob2 | er, 21st |
| 16:55.08 | K_Dallas | you people are enjoygin yourself, arent you? |
| 16:55.09 | bob2 | you type your guesses into google |
| 16:55.10 | RichiH | bob2: heh |
| 16:55.19 | RichiH | K_Dallas: like a clam on her prom |
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| 16:55.19 | bob2 | either it corrects you, or you see which has the most hits |
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| 16:55.24 | bob2 | most hists = correct speling |
| 16:55.34 | Phated | Heh. |
| 16:55.41 | RichiH | bob2: guesws what i did :) |
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| 16:55.49 | bob2 | hehe |
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| 16:55.52 | icyfire | or you can just do define: whatever, and it will fix the spelling or give the definition |
| 16:56.02 | paulswm | bob2: Heh, did that :) |
| 16:56.08 | bob2 | PeTeRB: almost as people mean it! |
| 16:56.36 | paulswm | !qotd234 |
| 16:56.49 | greycat | PeTeRB: mine never do. typos maybe, but never spelling errors. |
| 16:57.19 | PeTeRB | greycat: Sorry, I forgot to mention typos too |
| 16:57.49 | DwyaneWade | does anyone know why "make" would return: make: *** [test] Error 1 ? I mean, what the error code 1 stands for ? |
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| 16:58.06 | greycat | !listvals FIRST ERROR |
| 16:58.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'FIRST ERROR' by value (1): unix lessons. |
| 16:58.11 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 16:58.11 | dpkg | i heard unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 16:58.29 | bob2 | greycat: you should write a book |
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| 16:58.39 | jethro | oreilly book on using dpkg the bot |
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| 16:58.44 | bob2 | greycat: or submit examples for the relevant manpages |
| 16:58.46 | greycat | bob2: sure thing. just lengthen the day to 27 hours for me. |
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| 16:59.14 | bob2 | you replied before I was done trolling! |
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| 16:59.50 | streuner | what greycat write is clear and easy to unterstand for everybody |
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| 17:00.16 | nomed^ | there should be an argument to pass at boot to don't umount /initrd can you help me to remember it? |
| 17:00.16 | streuner | so it wouldn't be a bad idea... |
| 17:00.35 | bob2 | nomed^: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:00.51 | nomed^ | to don't umount the /initrd ... |
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| 17:01.05 | nomed^ | where initrd fs is mounted ... |
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| 17:02.02 | bob2 | why don't you just mount it again? |
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| 17:03.35 | nomed^ | bob2, it's because my gryb menu.lst has been rw .. and with that kernel after the bootup process i had the initrd mounted .. |
| 17:03.51 | bob2 | why oh why is the ACM mail system run by morons? |
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| 17:04.12 | bob2 | rom: cacmpointers <cacmpointers@HQ.ACM.ORG> |
| 17:04.13 | bob2 | To: CACM_POINTERS@LISTSERV.ACM.ORG |
| 17:04.13 | linuxrules | ZZzzzz |
| 17:04.20 | bob2 | could you make your mail look more like spam? |
| 17:04.28 | linuxrules | hi |
| 17:04.36 | bob2 | aloha |
| 17:04.47 | greycat | bob2: yes, they probably could. |
| 17:05.07 | greycat | never underestimate the power of a moron |
| 17:05.20 | K_Dallas | !moron K_Dallas |
| 17:05.21 | dpkg | K_Dallas: You are moron #75 |
| 17:05.30 | K_Dallas | still not in top 10 |
| 17:05.39 | jethro | K_Dallas: the number is random |
| 17:05.44 | K_Dallas | who are in top10 anyways? ;) |
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| 17:05.49 | jharrisonwk | !moron K_Dallas |
| 17:05.49 | dpkg | K_Dallas: You are moron #40 |
| 17:05.55 | jharrisonwk | getting closer |
| 17:05.57 | K_Dallas | i know ;) |
| 17:05.57 | bob2 | and it bounces through 4 internal mail servers AND postini before emerging from acm.org |
| 17:06.03 | greycat | you can't *get* in the top 10 that way. |
| 17:06.11 | greycat | !tell K_Dallas about literal CMD: moron (.*?) |
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| 17:06.21 | greycat | ok, correction, you can get #10. |
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| 17:06.37 | K_Dallas | :) yes |
| 17:06.43 | K_Dallas | why not 00? |
| 17:06.50 | jethro | greycat: only talking to dpkg can help entering the top 10 ? |
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| 17:06.50 | K_Dallas | no 0 |
| 17:06.52 | greycat | K_Dallas: read it. |
| 17:06.57 | K_Dallas | yes i notices |
| 17:06.58 | K_Dallas | yes i noticed |
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| 17:07.20 | greycat | jethro: the *real* moron is a simple counter since the bot's last restart. |
| 17:07.27 | greycat | !status |
| 17:07.27 | dpkg | Since Fri May 27 18:06:38 2005, there have been 116 modifications, 3361 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1025 commands. I have been awake for 4d 23h 50s this session, and currently reference 25590 factoids. I'm using about 16856 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1314.75/59.35 child 715.56/57.31 |
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| 17:07.40 | greycat | jethro: whoever triggers it next will be moron #1. Assuming it's still triggerable. |
| 17:07.40 | bob2 | only 16mb now |
| 17:07.47 | bob2 | someone make it leak like a sieve again |
| 17:07.49 | Ronin | 25590 factoids?? |
| 17:07.50 | zinx | dpkg: hi, how are you? |
| 17:07.50 | dpkg | zinx: pretty good. how about you? |
| 17:08.04 | jethro | greycat: thanks for your answer |
| 17:08.04 | paulswm | Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. |
| 17:08.08 | chumee | re guys. I got the daily-build iso of Sarge, also recommended for the A64 Platform. Is the cannot-install-onto-SATA-hdd problem still NOT solved? :( The installer just won't recognize my HDD, even not with the loaded nv_sata (?) module. |
| 17:08.10 | iostream | bob2: Reading around google reverse DNS seems to be disabled by default.. So i'm not quite sure this is the problem... |
| 17:08.11 | zinx | dpkg: i'm pretty good too! |
| 17:08.25 | K_Dallas | paulswm, that is what is called democracy ;) |
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| 17:08.43 | greycat | paulswm: yes, they are pack animals. |
| 17:09.02 | paulswm | K_Dallas: Indeed. OR "Michael Jackson fans." |
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| 17:09.20 | paulswm | greycat: That's good :) |
| 17:09.26 | K_Dallas | or ,... a lot of other things which i recuse myself to verbalize |
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| 17:09.39 | paulswm | Heh |
| 17:09.46 | jethro | chumee: I think you need a newer kernel than the one provided by sarge |
| 17:10.16 | paulswm | Oh, no, the rules have gone |
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| 17:10.34 | K_Dallas | now i am hungry, i think i can go and even eat grits ;) later folks |
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| 17:10.51 | bamur_yk | yogyakarta |
| 17:10.51 | chumee | jethro: how to make it ? it support nvidia SATA actually.. it's also a daily build, I assume the kernel is okay. |
| 17:10.52 | KimHansen | I got the warning "dpkg: warning, architecture `i386-none' not in remapping table" during install of kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386, is it because I installed a 386-package on a Pentium II or is there a more serious reason? |
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| 17:11.19 | jethro | chumee: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 17:11.20 | bamur_yk | #yogyakarta |
| 17:11.23 | varun__ | gdday |
| 17:11.24 | chumee | thx. |
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| 17:11.55 | varun__ | may somebody help me changin my bind startcript so that it runs bind in a chroot jail?? |
| 17:11.58 | bob2 | KimHansen: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" print out? |
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| 17:12.29 | greycat | a 386 kernel should run on a pentium II without any problems. |
| 17:12.45 | bob2 | that's not the problem |
| 17:12.48 | bob2 | it's a dud dpkg |
| 17:12.52 | bob2 | (I think) |
| 17:13.00 | bamur_yk | #J |
| 17:13.02 | jethro | varun__: # for a chrooted server: "-u bind -t /var/lib/named" |
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| 17:13.11 | jethro | varun__: that's from my /etc/init.d/bind9 |
| 17:13.15 | KimHansen | bob2: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 17:13.22 | bob2 | odd |
| 17:13.24 | paulswm | bamur_yk: stop spamming |
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| 17:13.34 | varun__ | i dont see the line were bind gets started in the init.d script |
| 17:13.55 | jethro | varun__: can you see the line I pasted? |
| 17:14.05 | varun__ | yes |
| 17:14.12 | varun__ | well its not in the script |
| 17:14.14 | pusling | hmm... is there a way to make dpkg-buildpackage not starting with 'make clean' ? |
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| 17:14.52 | jethro | varun__: OPTIONS="-u bind -t /path/to/chroot" |
| 17:14.57 | slak | hi |
| 17:14.59 | varun__ | aaaaaahhhh |
| 17:15.02 | varun__ | *g*( |
| 17:15.03 | Sero | I can't get Debian to recognize my Ethernet port on the Minimal install CD can' anyone help me out with this I can't find what device it is either. |
| 17:15.06 | jethro | varun__: assuming bind is the user running named |
| 17:15.08 | linuxrules | hi slak |
| 17:15.10 | KimHansen | bob2: I'll try to upgrade to 2.3.2.ds1-23 and reinstall, I installed the same package on a machine with ...-22 without the warning |
| 17:15.10 | slak | hey what does initrd have to do with vmalloc |
| 17:15.10 | varun__ | many thx @ jethro |
| 17:15.20 | bob2 | KimHansen: ok |
| 17:15.22 | slak | specifically vmalloc out of allocation pool errors |
| 17:15.25 | jethro | varun__: you're welcome |
| 17:15.29 | varun__ | *g* |
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| 17:15.35 | bob2 | KimHansen: I'd think dpkg is the problem, but I can't imagine where you got a broken dpkg from |
| 17:15.40 | slak | allocation failed: out of vmalloc space - use vmalloc=<size> to increase size. |
| 17:15.40 | bob2 | wo it may not be the case |
| 17:15.40 | jethro | varun__: what's this *g* ? |
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| 17:16.01 | varun__ | grin |
| 17:16.05 | varun__ | smile |
| 17:16.06 | KimHansen | bob2: I have cheked that the dpkg version is the same on my two computers |
| 17:16.06 | varun__ | kind of |
| 17:16.18 | bob2 | KimHansen: ok, guess I'm wrong then |
| 17:16.23 | bob2 | don't have nay other ideas, sorry |
| 17:16.50 | varun__ | so the options line in the init.d scripts are the place for options....and i learned another great thing |
| 17:16.52 | linuxrules | whats your problem ?? |
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| 17:17.10 | varun__ | cya all |
| 17:17.18 | KimHansen | Hm.. still gets the error |
| 17:17.50 | bob2 | linuxrules: maybe try #debian-es? |
| 17:18.02 | linuxrules | why? |
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| 17:18.24 | nomed^ | does dpkg know anything about cmdline arguments? |
| 17:18.29 | linuxrules | i dont have problems with languaje |
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| 17:18.56 | morfeo | hi! |
| 17:19.05 | linuxrules | hi |
| 17:19.12 | paulswm | linuxrules: becuase gratuitously typing (unadressed) "what's your problem" *seems* like you have a problem with language, at least that's my guess. |
| 17:19.21 | bob2 | nomed^: e.g.? |
| 17:19.34 | morfeo | anybody can tell me how to install more Fonts for debian? |
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| 17:19.56 | streuner | morfeo: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:19.56 | morfeo | to use with gnome, abiword, openoffice, etc.. |
| 17:19.57 | nomed^ | ramsize .. noinitrd and so on .. |
| 17:19.58 | linuxrules | i only want help |
| 17:20.04 | greycat | dpkg, no, qotd96 is <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
| 17:20.04 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 17:20.10 | streuner | morfeo: /msg dpkg xf4 ttf |
| 17:20.10 | jethro | heh |
| 17:20.18 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/90 94 96 // |
| 17:20.18 | dpkg | greycat: too drastic change of factoid. |
| 17:20.18 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 17:20.24 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/90 94 // |
| 17:20.24 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '90 94 ', greycat |
| 17:20.34 | greycat | well, make up your mind! |
| 17:20.36 | bob2 | the qotd numbers aren't just sequential? |
| 17:20.40 | jethro | he said ok! |
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| 17:20.46 | greycat | bob2: qotdx contains the ones that were judged "bad" |
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| 17:20.54 | bob2 | right |
| 17:21.14 | greycat | bob2: so I try to replace those first, but I always check them because some people vote them "bad" when I wouldn't. |
| 17:21.21 | bob2 | ah |
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| 17:21.34 | greycat | the old 96 was: <dreamer_> is that a dpkg command... and one has to figure out the name of dpkg...? |
| 17:21.35 | paulswm | greycat: I do the same |
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| 17:21.48 | greycat | 90 was replaced earlier today, and 94 is ok IMHO |
| 17:21.51 | bob2 | \dpkg needs a qotd module, where it increments the number for you and tells you |
| 17:22.06 | jethro | write it! |
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| 17:22.17 | bob2 | I'm crap at perl |
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| 17:22.50 | paulswm | greycat: my fault, I replaced 90 but forgot to remove it from the list |
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| 17:22.58 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 17:23.10 | greycat | paulswm: probably not the first time that's happened ;-) |
| 17:23.10 | solemnwarning | i ran apt-get install apache2 php4 |
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| 17:23.18 | solemnwarning | but php isnt configured |
| 17:23.24 | solemnwarning | wtf am i supposed to do?? |
| 17:23.27 | bob2 | solemnwarning: you forgot to install libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 17:23.32 | greycat | libapache2-mod-php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module) |
| 17:23.43 | paulswm | greycat: We have a qotd234 out there which doesn't show up on the qotd0 list and which won't work, I have no idea who created it or what's wrong |
| 17:23.50 | paulswm | !qotd234 |
| 17:23.52 | greycat | !literal qotd234 |
| 17:23.52 | dpkg | qotd234 is <nvz> especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly |
| 17:23.58 | paulswm | greycat: I lie. |
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| 17:24.19 | paulswm | No, I am hturth! |
| 17:24.29 | paulswm | Heh, truthful! |
| 17:24.30 | greycat | but it's not in the qotd0 list. |
| 17:24.47 | K_Dallas | !qotd100 |
| 17:24.47 | diz | I'm trying to setup jigdo on kernel.org, and i'm getting this: |
| 17:24.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd100 is <TheBeast> guys, please help me, I can't apt stuff here, because of that stupid path. |
| 17:24.48 | diz | 2005-06-01 10:23:24: jigdoDir: /mirrors/debian-cd/jigdo-area/current/ |
| 17:24.48 | diz | 2005-06-01 10:23:24: templateDir: |
| 17:24.48 | diz | 2005-06-01 10:23:25: Exit 0 |
| 17:24.48 | solemnwarning | still dont work |
| 17:24.59 | diz | can someone tell me why it did nothing? i'm feeling rather stupid |
| 17:24.59 | jethro | !tell diz -about paste |
| 17:25.03 | greycat | dpkg, qotd122 is <nvz> especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly |
| 17:25.04 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 17:25.08 | greycat | dpkg, forget qotd234 |
| 17:25.08 | dpkg | i forgot qotd234, greycat |
| 17:25.15 | greycat | dpkg, qotd0 =~ s/121/121|122/ |
| 17:25.15 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 17:25.24 | bob2 | diz: might get more help on the debian-cd list, if no one here knows |
| 17:25.34 | greycat | this won't scale forever... we're going to hit the length limit on qotd0. |
| 17:25.36 | diz | we don't run debian on kernel.org |
| 17:25.40 | paulswm | greycat: exactly, I wonder if there's a limit on the list or what. I thought of forgetting it and putting it in sequence, but dpkg ignored me for hours after a forget yesterday, so I am not going to risk it. |
| 17:26.11 | greycat | paulswm: you have to do several forgets in a row to incur his wratch. |
| 17:26.14 | greycat | wrath* |
| 17:26.19 | bob2 | diz: yes, but they're the people who wrote jigdo |
| 17:26.19 | jethro | writing a qotd handler as suggested by bob2 would be nicer indeed |
| 17:26.25 | paulswm | greycat: while I was typing all that, you fox0red it anyway :) |
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| 17:26.48 | diz | i was offhand hoping to find one of the maintainers of jigdo here. |
| 17:26.53 | diz | guess i'm out of luck. |
| 17:27.02 | diz | thanks anyway. |
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| 17:27.06 | greycat | !maint jigdo |
| 17:27.06 | paulswm | greycat: I did 3 one day and was igrnoerd, then just one the next day and was immediately ignored, so I think there must be a sliding time window |
| 17:27.11 | dpkg | jigdo: Richard Atterer <atterer@debian.org> |
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| 17:28.10 | DexterF-vm | what's the name of the kde headers package? apt-cache doesn't return anything with a name like that |
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| 17:28.25 | bob2 | kdelibs-devel or so |
| 17:28.38 | asg | DexterF-vm: /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
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| 17:29.21 | diz | i idle on this network in other channels if anyone else has any answers... |
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| 17:30.31 | silverton | With Jigdo, would it be possible to keep an up-to-date debian auto-install cd that just has base, and gnome ? |
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| 17:30.44 | solemnwarning | ive added an index.php to the indexes in apache2.conf |
| 17:30.52 | solemnwarning | reloaded and restarted apche2 |
| 17:30.56 | WhiteRabbit | Londoner: sneeze well. |
| 17:31.05 | Londoner | lol :) |
| 17:31.10 | WhiteRabbit | lol ;)~ |
| 17:31.17 | jethro | !lol |
| 17:31.17 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a linspire user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 17:31.23 | bob2 | silverton: sure... |
| 17:31.30 | solemnwarning | what do u need to do in deb to make it actually rregister new index file??? |
| 17:31.32 | silverton | sweet... linspire users must die! |
| 17:31.33 | silverton | lol |
| 17:31.37 | jethro | hah |
| 17:31.38 | paulswm | !u |
| 17:31.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:31.43 | WhiteRabbit | lol a 20,000 xs |
| 17:31.47 | solemnwarning | !kernel |
| 17:31.50 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.11, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.12-rc5-git6, 2.4: 2.4.31, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc5-mm2 |
| 17:31.58 | solemnwarning | !kernal |
| 17:31.59 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 17:32.06 | WhiteRabbit | well there went the linspire user base |
| 17:32.14 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 17:32.44 | K_Dallas | is linspire also based on debian? |
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| 17:32.51 | bob2 | yes |
| 17:32.54 | bob2 | but horribly mangled |
| 17:32.59 | WhiteRabbit | linspire is nice for those who have not a clue about a pc at all |
| 17:33.05 | K_Dallas | no wonder Debian is no1 distro :) |
| 17:33.06 | greycat | there are dozens of based-on-debian pieces of crap in the world. |
| 17:33.17 | JeffH_ | anyone here tried both exim and postfix? Is there anything to cause one to choose one over the other? |
| 17:33.20 | K_Dallas | i know of ubuntu, xandros, and now linspire |
| 17:33.21 | paulswm | Maybe even hundreds |
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| 17:33.26 | WhiteRabbit | you get payed to install & ship the blame back to michael |
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| 17:33.39 | greycat | !life |
| 17:33.39 | dpkg | Life? Don't talk to me about life. |
| 17:33.40 | K_Dallas | linspire is a rip off for sure ;) |
| 17:33.46 | bob2 | JeffH_: exim is more flexibke, postfix seems simpler to configure |
| 17:33.52 | karsten | Londoner: That's because they're entirely different games. |
| 17:33.55 | bob2 | from my postfix-leaning pov, anyeay |
| 17:34.02 | WhiteRabbit | if I had to time to make a linspire I would |
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| 17:34.20 | Pakkal | hi, Im looking for a tool for a low level format to my HD |
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| 17:34.34 | solemnwarning | how do u make apache2 under deb recognise an index file???? |
| 17:34.34 | JeffH_ | bob2: interesting, thanks. My mail server needs are simple so it sounds like postfix would be the best solution. |
| 17:34.40 | paulswm | Pakkal: your drive manufacturer's web site |
| 17:34.41 | Pakkal | Knoppix has something to do this? |
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| 17:34.46 | solemnwarning | it wont treat index.php as index |
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| 17:34.51 | karsten | Pakkal: Um. "llf" is largely a misnomer. You can do it to SCSI drives through BIOS utilities. |
| 17:35.04 | karsten | Pakkal: Otherwise, rephrase your question and specify your drive type. |
| 17:35.05 | lewis2 | hey there - i recently upgraded my debian testing system kernel from 2.4.18-bf2.4 to 2.4.27-2-686. Ever since then, I have been plagued with kernel errors, segmentation faults, etc, Any ideas? |
| 17:35.08 | bob2 | solemnwarning: did you read /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php4/README? |
| 17:35.16 | greycat | wow, l33t speak *and* multiple punctuation *and* use of apache2 all in one line. |
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| 17:35.43 | karsten | greycat: lol |
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| 17:35.50 | karsten | greycat: u da b0mb |
| 17:35.58 | karsten | !annoy greycat |
| 17:36.07 | paulswm | greycat si teh unlose |
| 17:36.08 | jethro | !irritate greycat |
| 17:36.09 | dpkg | greycat: wenas who uses sound hello? |
| 17:36.11 | JeffH_ | as long as its easy to add virus/spam filtering to postfix |
| 17:36.13 | solemnwarning | /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php4/README dont exist |
| 17:36.25 | karsten | Pakkal: ?? |
| 17:36.26 | Pakkal | hi, I have an IDE Barracuda Seageate 80GB wich is damaged, and Im looking for a tool for give a low level format |
| 17:36.37 | karsten | Pakkal: Damaged how? |
| 17:36.42 | bob2 | JeffH_: yeah, via amavis |
| 17:36.45 | paulswm | Pakkal: like I said, your drive manufacturer's web site |
| 17:36.46 | asuffield | Pakkal: try a bonfire |
| 17:36.50 | karsten | Pakkal: SCIS or ATA? |
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| 17:36.55 | solemnwarning | i can goto http://server/dir and it dont work |
| 17:36.57 | karsten | Pakkal: s/SCIS/SCSI/ |
| 17:36.59 | bob2 | JeffH_: just make sure you configure it to drop things on the floor, not bounce |
| 17:37.02 | DexterF-vm | asg: that did it, thanks |
| 17:37.04 | justin | !tell solemnwarning about doesn't work |
| 17:37.07 | solemnwarning | but i can http://server/dir/index.php |
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| 17:37.16 | JeffH_ | bob2: what does it matter? |
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| 17:37.39 | bob2 | JeffH_: bouncing shit back out onto the internet is a) highly rude and b) will get you blacklisted by other people |
| 17:37.58 | solemnwarning | if i dont add index.php to end of url it asks me to dl the php file |
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| 17:38.17 | greycat | bob2: it's the "correct" way to handle it, though, according to the RFCs. So you can't blacklist for it... or at least not with a clean conscience. |
| 17:38.19 | m_yates | Pakkal: You can use "dd" Try searching the net. Something like dd -if /dev/random -of /dev/hda |
| 17:38.22 | karsten | solemnwarning: /etc/apache/conf/conf.d/php4.conf |
| 17:38.43 | bob2 | greycat: refuse delivery then |
| 17:38.46 | greycat | bob2: on the other hand, if your virus scanner actually detects a virus post-SMTP, then generating a bounce would be BAD. |
| 17:38.58 | m_yates | Pakkal: ..but if the drive is damaged you may want to use a sledgehammer instead. |
| 17:39.00 | solemnwarning | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.13 | lewis2 | hey there - i recently upgraded my debian testing system kernel from 2.4.18-bf2.4 to 2.4.27-2-686. Ever since then, I have been plagued with kernel errors, segmentation faults, etc, Any ideas? A hardware problem? |
| 17:39.18 | karsten | greycat: Refuse delivery. If you can make a good assessement that the mail is in fact viral or spam, drop it, it wasn't worth receiving, it's not worth notifying the wrong person it wasn't delivered. |
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| 17:39.27 | bob2 | greycat: right, I mean generating a bounce after accepting it is bad |
| 17:39.37 | bob2 | greycat: refusing it and forcing the other mta to generate the bounce is ok |
| 17:39.41 | JeffH_ | aah.. good to know. |
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| 17:39.43 | greycat | karsten: that's only relevant if you can determine that it's a virus *during* the SMTP session. |
| 17:39.44 | karsten | Pakkal: If your disk is giving you errors, you want to replace it, not "low level format" it. |
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| 17:39.50 | karsten | greycat: No it's not. |
| 17:39.56 | greycat | karsten: if you have to post-process the messages, then either deliver it locally or drop it on the floor. |
| 17:39.57 | WhiteRabbit | Londoner: how did you like the new ubuntu installer nice hu |
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| 17:40.03 | karsten | greycat: If you _can't_ make that determination, then drop it on the floor. |
| 17:40.09 | karsten | greycat: ...Yes, we're in violent agreement. |
| 17:40.19 | Londoner | WhiteRabbit, made me sneeze when i saw the brown colour |
| 17:40.30 | jethro | !ops WhiteRabbit Londoner trolls |
| 17:40.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: WhiteRabbit Londoner trolls |
| 17:40.31 | WhiteRabbit | Londoner: it detected all of your hardware to |
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| 17:40.45 | bob2 | WhiteRabbit: Londoner #ubuntu, thanks |
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| 17:41.00 | Londoner | WhiteRabbit, not my winmodem it didnt |
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| 17:41.19 | WhiteRabbit | Londoner: lets book it over to #ubuntu! |
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| 17:41.42 | csmith | Anyone around? |
| 17:41.47 | streuner | no |
| 17:42.09 | streuner | csmith: just ask... |
| 17:42.15 | csmith | ko |
| 17:42.17 | csmith | *ok |
| 17:42.35 | Londoner | WhiteRabbit, am i going to get more help in ubuntu with my lovely winmodem? |
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| 17:43.01 | streuner | dpkg, LoRez++ |
| 17:43.06 | csmith | I just installed Debian last night, on my other computer. All I have is the black screen, like in a command prompt. How do I get out of that, and into desktop and desktop like things? |
| 17:43.07 | jethro | thank you LoRez |
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| 17:43.48 | streuner | csmith: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 17:43.51 | RichiH | csmith: you need to install an X server and a window manager |
| 17:44.01 | LoRez | wth is the point of trolling #debian with ubuntu crap? |
| 17:44.10 | jethro | LoRez: annoying people |
| 17:44.17 | greycat | you don't get *out* of the text console. you run X temporarily, then you return to the text console. |
| 17:44.24 | mikeX | ubuntu is the best, when I hear it my heart pounds in my chest |
| 17:44.25 | greycat | The text console is mother. The text console is father. |
| 17:44.29 | mikeX | lol : P |
| 17:44.35 | streuner | LoRez: nobody can explain - they are trolls... |
| 17:44.38 | LoRez | mikeX: you wanna leave the channel too? |
| 17:44.40 | jethro | mikeX: please we have enough with real trolls |
| 17:44.40 | mikeX | greycat, so true : D |
| 17:44.41 | [Roosta] | csmith - ctrl-alt-2? |
| 17:44.52 | mikeX | ok ok : D |
| 17:45.16 | bob2 | greycat: bester's a pretty creepy father |
| 17:45.23 | JeffH_ | doesn't sound like csmith has any desktop software installed. |
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| 17:45.33 | amorphix | hi |
| 17:45.38 | csmith | Ok, after installing X, what do I do? |
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| 17:45.50 | K_Dallas | hi amorphix |
| 17:45.53 | greycat | bob2: *great* character, though. excellent job by Walter Koenig. |
| 17:45.53 | jethro | csmith: did you /msg dpkg setup x ? |
| 17:46.02 | amorphix | hi KD |
| 17:46.06 | RichiH | csmith: you decide on gnome or kde as that would be 'best' for people who come from windows |
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| 17:46.12 | bob2 | greycat: oh yeah, the only star trek star who grew up to become an acotr |
| 17:46.15 | bob2 | er, actor |
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| 17:47.24 | jethro | !irritate nicodein |
| 17:47.25 | dpkg | nicodein: hi every1 who uses kde thx |
| 17:47.39 | nicodein | :( |
| 17:47.42 | jethro | :) |
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| 17:48.24 | ep | Is today the "day of Ubunto"? What's the difference between ubunto and debian? |
| 17:48.46 | streuner | ep: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 17:49.05 | helix | ep: one is a community project, the other is a "community" project |
| 17:49.07 | csmith | RichiH: Which will be easy, just move the highlight up and down, then press enter, right? |
| 17:49.15 | jethro | ep: then find an equivalent of why debian for the ubuntu project |
| 17:49.19 | ep | lol helix |
| 17:49.24 | RichiH | csmith: huh? |
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| 17:49.36 | csmith | Choosing between GNOME and KDE |
| 17:49.39 | greycat | ep: well for starters, Debian is spelled right, and Ubunto is not. |
| 17:49.41 | K_Dallas | csmith, pres + to select the package |
| 17:49.44 | chumee | guys, give me pls. just an advice: is it possible on debian to run certain processes only on one of the CPUs ? In a dual-processor system for example. |
| 17:49.45 | csmith | it'll just be a choice, not a command |
| 17:49.46 | greycat | ep: next, Debian is on topic here, and Ubuntu is not. |
| 17:49.52 | jethro | dpkg, greycat++ |
| 17:50.08 | justin | chumee: the kernel is better at deciding what should run on each cpu than you are |
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| 17:50.27 | csmith | What will I do after selecting GNOME/KDE? |
| 17:50.39 | K_Dallas | csmith, F10 i guess |
| 17:50.51 | K_Dallas | and I to install |
| 17:50.57 | K_Dallas | cannot remember it vividly |
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| 17:51.00 | amorphix | whats the command to reconstruct/assemble a working array which has had new drives added? |
| 17:51.03 | RichiH | csmith: just do apt-get install kde kdm after you set up x |
| 17:51.05 | chumee | justin: it would be game server daemon, consuming 90% of one CPU. how would it behave ? |
| 17:51.28 | justin | chumee: just fine |
| 17:51.30 | amorphix | whats the command to reconstruct/assemble a working *raid* array which has had new drives added? |
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| 17:51.36 | csmith | RichiH: I'm going to use GNOME, does that change the KDE KDM thing? |
| 17:51.53 | RichiH | csmith: a bit ;) |
| 17:51.55 | tarzeau | who's going to play #bub-n-bros with me, now? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 17:52.04 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk, jethro, greycat? |
| 17:52.10 | csmith | RichiH: where KDE is, put GNOME? |
| 17:52.14 | csmith | does the kdm change? |
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| 17:52.40 | RichiH | csmith: apt-get install gnome gdm |
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| 17:52.46 | paulswm | !fruitsmite tarzeau |
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| 17:52.56 | paulswm | Perfect! |
| 17:52.58 | jharrisonwk | its amazing what you can do with a little python |
| 17:53.00 | csmith | Ok. |
| 17:53.16 | tarzeau | paulswm: you join us too? |
| 17:53.18 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.21 | csmith | Then I'll be at desktop and I can use browsers and such, right? |
| 17:53.29 | jethro | tarzeau: sure |
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| 17:53.36 | paulswm | tarzeau: No, I have stuff to do, it's a work day! |
| 17:53.36 | RichiH | csmith: if you set up x correctly, yes |
| 17:53.41 | amorphix | green_earz: thanks i did that, should the raid start constructing by itself? |
| 17:53.42 | csmith | ok. |
| 17:53.44 | RichiH | !tell csmith about set up x |
| 17:53.53 | chumee | justin : the server isn't bought yet. Shall I go for the A64 platform considering future program releases or stay at 32-bit ? |
| 17:53.56 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
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| 17:54.00 | csmith | I did that already. |
| 17:54.01 | green_earz | amorphix: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 17:54.08 | paulswm | 782 people say hi in series |
| 17:54.09 | RichiH | csmith: k |
| 17:54.12 | amorphix | green_earz: not seeing any activity |
| 17:54.18 | tarzeau | the bubble server is gnu.ethz.ch:57980 |
| 17:54.21 | csmith | Alright. Well, I may be back. |
| 17:54.37 | amorphix | green_earz: I added the wrong partition id by accident to the raid config, i guess i need to stop and start the raid? |
| 17:54.46 | bob2 | tarzeau: you're at ethz.ch? |
| 17:55.02 | tarzeau | bob2: yeh |
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| 17:55.17 | tarzeau | bob2: root, mind you ;) |
| 17:55.19 | ep | its weird, but on my system the KDE apps seem a lot snappier than gdk ones. I would of guessed it to be the opposite, cause it seems many of the uber-geeks lean towards gnome stuff |
| 17:55.28 | bob2 | tarzeau: mrtg! |
| 17:55.42 | tarzeau | bob2: http://debian.ethz.ch/webalizer/ |
| 17:55.45 | amorphix | Raid is like the Borg, it absorbs anything you put into it |
| 17:56.06 | green_earz | amorphix: have you partioned the drive that being replaced to the same as the running one ? |
| 17:56.08 | shingouz | amorphix: it is a tame black hole as a matter of fact |
| 17:56.12 | amorphix | my drives have been absorbed now |
| 17:56.14 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you are not bubbling without me are you? |
| 17:56.18 | amorphix | even without restarting |
| 17:56.31 | bob2 | tarzeau: 1TB? jesus. |
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| 17:57.04 | tarzeau | bob2: 1tb what? |
| 17:57.05 | amorphix | green_earz: yes, i set to fd, but i had the wrong partition number in my config, i just changed it and the Raid seems to absorbing the drives now |
| 17:57.12 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'm on the gnu server, you? |
| 17:57.19 | bob2 | tarzeau: of traffic in may |
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| 17:57.29 | amorphix | green_earz: I'm not replacing drives, im adding extra ones |
| 17:57.29 | tarzeau | bob2: look at february ;) |
| 17:57.38 | bob2 | tarzeau: wow |
| 17:57.38 | green_earz | amorphix: ok |
| 17:57.58 | amorphix | green_earz: someone told me i cant add more extra drives, but thats bollox right? |
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| 17:58.11 | Tearran | has anyone made the switch from fedora to debian here? |
| 17:58.39 | drac | Tearran: taking a poll? |
| 17:58.40 | amorphix | I made the switch from Redhat to Debian in 1998/99 |
| 17:58.44 | shingouz | Tearran: that is a poll, try asking something real |
| 17:58.51 | bob2 | lordy |
| 17:58.53 | Tearran | no im sick of the 6 moth support |
| 17:58.54 | bob2 | try to be more hostile |
| 17:58.58 | amorphix | hehe |
| 17:59.12 | shingouz | sorry Tearran, bob2 |
| 17:59.26 | amorphix | these guys are the best for support and the Debian community is friendly, despite first impressions :P |
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| 17:59.38 | Tearran | was wondering if it can be done without losing my /home partition |
| 17:59.44 | bob2 | it can |
| 17:59.46 | shingouz | Tearran: yes you can |
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| 18:00.09 | tarzeau | bob2: 1tb is easy if you got gigabit internet ;) |
| 18:00.10 | Tearran | sid the best or should i wait till 6/6 |
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| 18:00.27 | JeffH_ | hey, what happens when I take my mail server down to be upgraded? Do I lose any mail to be delivered while its down, or do the sending servers hold onto it for a while trying to resend it? |
| 18:00.35 | shingouz | Tearran: go for sarge right now, you can upgrade all the time. sid is not a good choice |
| 18:00.56 | tarzeau | JeffH_: no you don't for 5 days usually |
| 18:01.07 | JeffH_ | okay, cool. |
| 18:01.07 | green_earz | amorphix: i just run raid 1 but there is a variety of ways drives can be added. but how ? |
| 18:01.14 | bob2 | Tearran: use sarge, but there's no need to wait unti lthe 6th |
| 18:01.15 | Tearran | oh ya that is what i ment hehe |
| 18:01.30 | shingouz | Tearran: the apt-get update && apt-get upgrade takes care of the updates for you, you do not have to reinstall from time to time just to keep the system uptodate |
| 18:01.35 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: link |
| 18:01.42 | phorce1_ | JeffH_: Depends on the sending servers. According to RFC they are supposed to hold it if they get a server unavailable -- most do, some don't |
| 18:01.47 | amorphix | green_earz: I'm running raid-5, i have 3 disks from initial setup but just added in 2 more |
| 18:01.51 | tarzeau | 19:54 < tarzeau> the bubble server is gnu.ethz.ch:57980 |
| 18:02.18 | amorphix | green_earz: i just did mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdd1 |
| 18:02.26 | Tearran | I have a bit ov exp with apt with fedora and like it how is synaptic with deb? |
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| 18:03.34 | shingouz | Tearran: i hear it is good, i havent tried it yet though, i still run apt-get for everything |
| 18:03.52 | Tearran | Im stuck on GUI's |
| 18:04.14 | amorphix | damn the LCD on my laptop wont stay upright once it goes beyond 90 degrees, just falls flat...most annoying |
| 18:04.30 | shingouz | amorphix: out with the screwdrivers and hack it |
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| 18:04.33 | amorphix | hehe |
| 18:04.43 | Tearran | amorphix, use a match book |
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| 18:04.51 | shingouz | i wasnt joking amorphix |
| 18:04.54 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping |
| 18:04.57 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: link? |
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| 18:04.58 | amorphix | im scared to |
| 18:05.03 | dien | anyone knohw to to accept files on ircII / |
| 18:05.08 | jharrisonwk | fire? |
| 18:05.12 | green_earz | amorphix: do not forget to keep /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf up to date |
| 18:05.13 | shingouz | amorphix: IBM? |
| 18:05.16 | amorphix | its one of those ultra thin lcds and im worried i'll bugger it up |
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| 18:05.21 | tarzeau | the bubble server is gnu.ethz.ch:57980 |
| 18:05.24 | amorphix | compaq armada |
| 18:05.26 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: for you |
| 18:05.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: thanks |
| 18:05.41 | amorphix | green_earz: sure |
| 18:05.46 | green_earz | np |
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| 18:05.57 | Lee__ | I'd like to take this time to give mad props to debootstrap and xen...word up. |
| 18:06.16 | FieldySnuts | engrish/ |
| 18:06.18 | jetscreamer | !translate |
| 18:06.20 | mikeX | yak, just got the insides of a bee on my mousepad, and the damn thing is still alive : O |
| 18:06.22 | shingouz | amorphix: even compaq has some documentation on the website, i guess they have insrtuctions on how to remove the screen too. once oyu get the scree off the hinges should be pretty simple |
| 18:06.42 | FieldySnuts | !lose mikeX |
| 18:06.42 | dpkg | mikeX: You Lose. |
| 18:06.51 | amorphix | shingouz: do you think its likely to be just a case of tightening something up inside then? |
| 18:06.56 | jetscreamer | !nickometer mikeX |
| 18:06.56 | dpkg | 'mikeX' is 14.000% lame, jetscreamer |
| 18:06.57 | mikeX | heh |
| 18:07.00 | shingouz | amorphix: most likely |
| 18:07.08 | amorphix | cool i will have a go then, might as well |
| 18:07.09 | jetscreamer | that's ok, i like jetX |
| 18:07.12 | mikeX | !nickometer jetscreamer |
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| 18:07.15 | FieldySnuts | we have lots of compaq laptops around here that get that problem, we haven't been able to fix any of them, good luck :( |
| 18:07.18 | shingouz | amorphix: unless the laptop is old(ish) |
| 18:07.22 | Lee__ | jetscreamer: your english slang is sub par. educate! http://www.knockknock.biz/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=48 |
| 18:07.25 | mikeX | I lose indeed |
| 18:07.27 | FieldySnuts | !medal compaq |
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| 18:07.40 | FieldySnuts | chortle. |
| 18:07.42 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: you seem to have had your caffeine already ;) |
| 18:07.42 | amorphix | FieldySnuts: oh that sucks.. i havent had this one long and it was fine when i got it |
| 18:07.44 | jetscreamer | but i got tired of --force-badname so i went to jetx |
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| 18:08.00 | amorphix | im gonna sell it i think for a mac powerbook this weekend |
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| 18:08.06 | FieldySnuts | nah 3pm here :D |
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| 18:08.45 | shingouz | amorphix: i have a couple of Wallstreets here, both have dead hinges and i havent had time to build new ones for them yet. ok, they are old, G3's |
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| 18:08.54 | amorphix | shingouz: its pretty old, a P3-600..maybe 1999/2000 but hard little use |
| 18:08.58 | amorphix | *had |
| 18:09.03 | lewis2 | hey there - i recently upgraded my debian testing system kernel from 2.4.18-bf2.4 to 2.4.27-2-686. Ever since then, I have been plagued with kernel errors, segmentation faults, etc, Any ideas? A hardware problem? |
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| 18:09.27 | shingouz | amorphix: not too hard to crack open the case and take a looksee inside. just be careful and think before doing anything |
| 18:09.35 | jetscreamer | !translate en de your cars rock |
| 18:09.37 | Lee__ | lewis2: any particular kernel errors? or just errors. |
| 18:09.37 | dpkg | Ihr Autofelsen |
| 18:09.38 | amorphix | shingouz: thats what im after a G3 as a suitable replacement for this |
| 18:09.46 | amorphix | ok |
| 18:09.49 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: smite jetscreamer |
| 18:09.51 | shingouz | amorphix: they usually have dead hinges |
| 18:09.54 | Tearran | sarge is the testing? |
| 18:10.02 | jetscreamer | yes atm but not for long |
| 18:10.03 | amorphix | shingouz: the same problem, screen falls back? |
| 18:10.10 | jetscreamer | soon is stable |
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| 18:10.15 | lewis2 | Lee__: I am getting everything - soft kernel panics, hard kernel panics |
| 18:10.16 | Tearran | thank you |
| 18:10.20 | shingouz | amorphix: some pressure cast light alloy on them, the screen actually falls off |
| 18:10.21 | jetscreamer | np |
| 18:10.25 | shingouz | amorphix: IBM |
| 18:10.26 | amorphix | phew |
| 18:10.30 | Lee__ | lewis2: what triggers the kernel panics? |
| 18:10.42 | paulswm | !singlishsmite FieldySnuts |
| 18:10.43 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
| 18:10.52 | shingouz | amorphix: and when the screen falls off it takes out the cables too which are a real pain in the ass to replace |
| 18:10.55 | cxreg | i'm trying to narrow down a case where electricsheep leaks X resources. anyone here run sheep and have X problems? |
| 18:10.55 | jetscreamer | it's not an amd is it lewis2 ? |
| 18:11.02 | lewis2 | Lee__: just booting up and leaving it will cause errors, there are errors at boot too.. no - P4 |
| 18:11.08 | jetscreamer | sheep sucks like that imo cxreg |
| 18:11.14 | amorphix | shingouz: do you think i should steer clear of G3 powerbooks then? |
| 18:11.14 | Lee__ | !details |
| 18:11.14 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 18:11.17 | jetscreamer | i love the graphics but i quit running it |
| 18:11.35 | shingouz | amorphix: unless you are able to make new hinges for them i think you shoudl sterr clear |
| 18:11.41 | cxreg | jetscreamer: after ~2 days of it i get "Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached" |
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| 18:11.43 | amorphix | i was thinking of getting a Toshiba Tecra or Portege as a 2nd choice |
| 18:11.50 | amorphix | ok |
| 18:11.50 | shingouz | amorphix: IBM Thinkpads are pressy solid |
| 18:11.58 | shingouz | pretty even |
| 18:12.01 | jetscreamer | cxreg: it seems to have a problem spawning multiple instances the way i remember it |
| 18:12.12 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: annoy Phated |
| 18:12.19 | FieldySnuts | or don't. brb |
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| 18:12.45 | cxreg | jetscreamer: the thing is, even after it exits its taking up resources (<unknown> entries in xrestop) |
| 18:12.51 | cxreg | jetscreamer: which count as "clients" |
| 18:13.03 | jetscreamer | like i said, i quit running it even though i think it's beautiful |
| 18:13.09 | lewis2 | Lee__: sorry I can't go into more detail, the machine is two rooms away, and I wasn't sure which errors to transcribe. I did also change the machine case, though the only difference would be power supply... |
| 18:13.18 | Empty | IBM makes nice boxes. My Toshiba Satellite has served me well also |
| 18:13.21 | cxreg | i want to file a bug report but i'd like to narrow down the case first |
| 18:13.40 | jetscreamer | cxreg: and this was a while ago |
| 18:13.44 | jetscreamer | so no idea |
| 18:13.55 | warbody | Empty .. Toshiba Satellite M45 ... excellent notebook |
| 18:14.13 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im going to get your little fscking dragon |
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| 18:14.31 | Empty | warbody, Pro 4300series here, it has been a faithful companion, but I am eyeballing the Vaio S170 now |
| 18:14.41 | FieldySnuts | i think we just got 3 of those M45's, one of those wide screen ultra-bright screens on them, very sharp |
| 18:14.43 | jetscreamer | i got a soyo dragon barebones cuz my kid thought it looked cool... fugger didn't boot |
| 18:14.51 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: haha |
| 18:14.53 | shingouz | warbody: as long as the laptop is ablack, has a trackpoint and is made by IBM i am happy :p |
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| 18:14.57 | Lee__ | lewis2: it's hard to say anything meaningful when all there is are "kernel panics" usually it's something with your configuration or hardware. for a quick stab in the dark, you can try installing the 2.6.8 kernel image in sarge. |
| 18:15.04 | Empty | My bro in law just got an Acer Ferrari |
| 18:15.10 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'll take your banana |
| 18:15.20 | Empty | It's pretty hot- 2G RAM 64bit proc |
| 18:15.25 | jetscreamer | ibm sold thinkpad line to who? sanyo? soyo? mitsuyihoto? |
| 18:15.32 | shingouz | no idea |
| 18:15.42 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no you wont |
| 18:15.50 | shingouz | a PPC thinkpad would be neat... |
| 18:16.07 | Empty | And acer appears to have licensed the Ferrari name- the think is candy apple red and has an embossed Ferrari crest embedded in the casing near the touchpad |
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| 18:16.18 | w0ls0n | hi |
| 18:16.32 | shingouz | ...and 789 people say hi.... |
| 18:16.45 | rave | hi |
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| 18:16.47 | rave | +1 |
| 18:16.50 | Empty | w0ls0n: a/s/l? |
| 18:16.53 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:16.56 | FieldySnuts | !asl |
| 18:16.56 | dpkg | fieldysnuts, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
| 18:17.03 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i just did! |
| 18:17.12 | Empty | LOL Fieldy |
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| 18:17.45 | Empty | Man emperorlinux has some nice laptops but christ are they overpriced |
| 18:18.15 | dien | , |
| 18:18.16 | dien | kkk |
| 18:18.24 | FieldySnuts | laptops drive me nuts, strangeness in linux, repair hell, too pricey, most have shitty screens and abysmal disk performance etc... nah i'll pass |
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| 18:18.46 | dien | anyone knohw to to accept files on ircII ? |
| 18:18.52 | dien | i mean send |
| 18:18.54 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: what do you use for a roadwarrior then? |
| 18:18.56 | greycat | Empty: can we get cheaper ones from bananarepubliclinux? |
| 18:18.59 | paulswm | But easier than towers to lug around |
| 18:19.03 | FieldySnuts | nothing, thank god |
| 18:19.07 | shingouz | heh |
| 18:19.10 | greycat | dien: it doesn't have /ctcp ? |
| 18:19.12 | niro | ALL 'telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl' |
| 18:19.14 | greycat | dien: or /dcc? |
| 18:19.18 | FieldySnuts | @lart niro |
| 18:19.26 | dien | SEND |
| 18:19.32 | Empty | FieldySnuts, my Satellite had 1 repair issue in 4 years- I jarred it pretty hard (dropped the bag it was in while powered down) and unseated the CPU fan a little. That's it |
| 18:19.36 | greycat | dien: /DCC SEND is the normal command. |
| 18:19.39 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: bastard |
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| 18:19.46 | dien | oo yea ;) |
| 18:19.50 | dien | sweet |
| 18:20.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: haha |
| 18:20.21 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: my precious bananas |
| 18:20.41 | Empty | greycat, possibly through the spanish site, linuxderepublicomanzana.sp |
| 18:21.07 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: BANANAS.ARE.MINE.NU |
| 18:21.08 | toresbe | Empty: I've had the absolute exact opposite experience :P |
| 18:21.33 | Empty | toresbe, so then $anecdote++; $anecdote--; thanks |
| 18:21.45 | toresbe | Empty: heh |
| 18:21.49 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: my dragon is going to kick your dragon's ass |
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| 18:22.09 | toresbe | Empty: but I've had two satellites! :P |
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| 18:22.09 | prahal | yeah i fixed my bug in postgres *happy day* |
| 18:22.16 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: my dragons penis has 5 more inches than yours |
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| 18:22.25 | Empty | %#$%#, just tried to ^w to erase a word LMAO |
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| 18:22.31 | toresbe | I think we all can agree that ThinkPad ownz it anywa :) |
| 18:22.36 | toresbe | Empty: You too? :) |
| 18:22.38 | prahal | tarzeau: you should not read all this spam on your wiki ,-) |
| 18:22.44 | bob2 | tarzeau: you are never allowed to complain about people being off-topic again |
| 18:22.46 | bob2 | :-) |
| 18:22.52 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we will see about that |
| 18:22.53 | tarzeau | heh ;) |
| 18:23.18 | astronut | !kernel |
| 18:23.20 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.11, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.12-rc5-git6, 2.4: 2.4.31, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc5-mm2 |
| 18:23.30 | astronut | up to 11 are they? |
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| 18:23.39 | greycat | 2.6.11.11 looks so funny. |
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| 18:24.26 | Empty | So Sarge release is slated for Jun 6? Is that '07? |
| 18:24.34 | FieldySnuts | !troll Empty |
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| 18:26.25 | Empty | Just sent one of my toadies^w junior admins trawling through *:/etc/apt/sources.list to vet out all of our "stable" and "testing" refs |
| 18:27.13 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: your dragon is gay |
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| 18:27.33 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 18:28.50 | tarzeau | http://jharrisonwksDRAGON.isgay.com |
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| 18:29.09 | jetscreamer | no, like i've always said (except when it was s/5/4/) sarge will be stable in dec 2005 |
| 18:29.57 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you shouldnt talk about yourself like that :-P |
| 18:32.02 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: we should rename debian gnu/linux to dragon gnu/linux and put this game into the installer |
| 18:32.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: better yet, you can't login before you play 5 levels of network bubble bobble |
| 18:32.28 | shingouz | tarzeau: and make the installer too big and fat to run on older hardware |
| 18:32.37 | Empty | this makes me *so* happy, seriously- deploying a massive cluster next month and I was afraid I'd have to go woody (which is unfortunate b/c we use DSR and 2.4 kernels need hacking to be able to do DSR) |
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| 18:33.21 | Empty | tarzeau, perhaps make bubble bobble a frontend to apt? |
| 18:33.46 | tarzeau | Empty: join us! http://bub-n-bros.sf.net NOW |
| 18:33.49 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yeah |
| 18:33.54 | tarzeau | Empty: only one empty slot left! |
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| 18:35.26 | atrus | i'm looking for a utility to write a large directory (about 10gigs) to a series of CDR's. the files shouldn't be compressed or archived, but merely written to seperate discs as neccesary to get every file into the library of CD's. any suggestions? |
| 18:35.57 | jetscreamer | some backup type program you mean |
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| 18:35.59 | jetscreamer | gee |
| 18:35.59 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: look what a dragon i am, a score-whore-dragon. i even let mine die to catch 350 points |
| 18:36.15 | atrus | jetscreamer: yes, but without any archiving/compression. |
| 18:36.28 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you were playing longer |
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| 18:36.58 | tarzeau | haha my dragon is faster than yours! |
| 18:36.59 | Xinux | anybody here experienced with wine? |
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| 18:37.08 | jethro | I bubbled jharrisonwk and jumped on him! |
| 18:37.17 | atrus | i need to preserve ordinary file access so that the discs can just be popped into a windows machine and read normally. |
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| 18:37.19 | shingouz | Xinux: in like polls |
| 18:37.30 | Xinux | i need to wine a game |
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| 18:37.34 | Xinux | but wine won't load DLLs |
| 18:38.06 | tarzeau | jethro: very well done! |
| 18:38.11 | shingouz | Xinux: get cedega |
| 18:38.12 | atrus | if there's a linux backup utility that would allow windows to open files off of it, that would do the job too i guess. |
| 18:38.42 | Xinux | umm |
| 18:39.04 | MacNamera | xinux: yes, just a little bit experience |
| 18:39.04 | Xinux | i'm using the Windows partition for Wine |
| 18:39.20 | Xinux | since i have soldat (the game) installed on windows |
| 18:39.39 | MacNamera | xinux: I run a windows program under wine |
| 18:39.48 | shingouz | Xinux: then use windows to play it. and do not use the enter that much, pain in the ass to read your questions |
| 18:40.07 | ice799 | i am about to try to set up software RAID0 on two devices, the HOWTO says that I should install raidtools2 and mdadm, however it doesnt appear that raidtools2 is debian package (apt-cache search raidtools yields no results). after install mdadm via apt, i found a deb package of raidtools2 -- it cannot be installed because apparantly it conflicts with mdadm, i just wanted to make sure that the HOWTO is wrong before continuing... |
| 18:40.10 | paulswm | !prize shingouz |
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| 18:40.26 | Xinux | /mnt/hda2/Program Files/Soldat |
| 18:40.30 | MacNamera | shingouz: than you need a good chair :-) |
| 18:40.41 | shingouz | MacNamera: and why is that? |
| 18:40.42 | rob_lt | Anyone know how to change the security on a pdf so I can fill out the damn form using acroread? |
| 18:41.00 | MacNamera | shingouz: no more pain in the ass :-) |
| 18:41.11 | Xinux | i ran the soldat.exe in /mnt/hda2/Program Files/Soldat ... and Wine came up with a failure that it could not find the DLLs.. |
| 18:41.12 | shingouz | MacNamera: do i look like i run windows? |
| 18:41.13 | tarzeau | ahahaha someone took the sheep!è |
| 18:41.15 | jethro | GAAAAH |
| 18:41.17 | jethro | FUCK THAT SHEEP! |
| 18:41.22 | tarzeau | all points taken after sheep count -2 x! |
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| 18:41.27 | tarzeau | YOU ARE MORON DRAGONS |
| 18:42.09 | MacNamera | shingouz: I can not see you, so I also can not say if you look like you run windows |
| 18:42.20 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 18:42.23 | jcole | this is how i'm creating a "debian desktop" cd (instead of distributing an ubuntu cd!) - 1. do a minimal net install of debian... 2. apt-get install gnome x-window-system mplayer etc (unstable sources)... 3. take my /var/cache/apt/archives dir and add it to the original net-install cd (Packages.gz is also built)... 4. distribute this new cd that now includes the downloaded .debs (now the sources.list file can point to the added dir and not have to do |
| 18:42.31 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we dont know what the sheep is |
| 18:42.42 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: now you do, hopefully |
| 18:42.52 | Lin | Hi all.. I don't know if someone here is experienced with openview but I'm looking for some tool similar to nmdemandpool |
| 18:43.00 | tarzeau | jcole: try x-window-system-core |
| 18:43.08 | tarzeau | jcole: but wait if you have gnome, that's not minimal, that's maximal |
| 18:43.19 | Xinux | ya |
| 18:43.24 | Xinux | use wmaker |
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| 18:43.33 | deadcat | wmaker is ugly |
| 18:43.41 | tarzeau | deadcat: it's beautiful |
| 18:43.48 | Xinux | deadcat: well, people say your ugly |
| 18:43.49 | deadcat | tarzeau: hahaha. kidding me. |
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| 18:43.53 | Lin | If doesn't exist I'm thinking in write something like and maybe, begin some project to create some kind of Free Open View (FreeView should be a good name). Wmaker isn't ugly. Is beautiful |
| 18:43.56 | deadcat | Xinux: not really |
| 18:44.01 | jcole | tarzeau: ya, i do this: |
| 18:44.03 | jcole | tarzeau: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm gthumb gcm gftp tsclient xvnc4viewer gaim gaim-otr gaim-encryption gaim-guifications googlizer j2re1.4 latex-xft-fonts mozilla-acroread flashplayer-mozilla mplayer-386 mplayer-fonts mozilla-mplayer w32codecs libdvdcss mencoder-586 acidrip grip gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-lame gnome-audio alsa-base libesd-alsa0 alsa-oss hal-device-manager module-assistant zip unzip vim fakeroot ntpdate cupsys c |
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| 18:44.15 | fred21 | hello |
| 18:44.22 | Lin | jcole: please don't do that ;-) |
| 18:44.31 | wargre | hello i got a question |
| 18:44.33 | Xinux | don't use gnome |
| 18:44.43 | Xinux | gnome is grossage |
| 18:44.45 | shingouz | wargre: just ask, dont ask to ask |
| 18:44.47 | Lin | wargre: don't ask to ask.. just ask |
| 18:44.52 | fred21 | in my /var/log/apache/access.log i've 81.246.7.50 - - [01/Jun/2005:18:48:31 +0200] "GET /members/sex/fuck/id000001id/lund33lundxxx.html HTTP/1.1" 404 323 "-" "-" "-" is it a worm in Windows? |
| 18:44.55 | tarzeau | deadcat: what's ugly about it? ahhh the debian theme is very ugly. |
| 18:44.56 | Lin | hahahahaha |
| 18:45.06 | tarzeau | deadcat: but the original is sexy, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 18:45.20 | wargre | why in a console in KDE, when i do a 'su' i cannot use graphical things |
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| 18:45.32 | MacNamera | read something that here is a linux distro which you can run on a floppy disk. what is the name of it, want to give a try |
| 18:45.34 | asg | wargre: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 18:45.35 | wargre | (cannot connect to DISPLAY |
| 18:45.42 | Lin | wargre: cause DISPLAY variable and X permissions |
| 18:45.50 | deadcat | tarzeau: it seems like all the wmaker themes are the same. just change the colors. like you cant change the window buttons. they are all X in every theme |
| 18:46.01 | ZaKa | hello, can i use wine to install windows in hda2?? plz |
| 18:46.02 | Lin | wargre: as user do xhost +127.0.0.1 and as root do export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 18:46.08 | tarzeau | deadcat: x/motif/lesstiff is far uglier |
| 18:46.11 | Lin | wargre: be happy.. joy! joy! |
| 18:46.19 | Xinux | deadcat: it's really not about the looks, its about the speed, performance. |
| 18:46.22 | nicodein | hi why can't I modprobe the floppy (FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): No such device) ? |
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| 18:46.26 | tarzeau | deadcat: with gnustep you can, using the camaelon theme bundle |
| 18:46.30 | wargre | Lin: i remenber that now! ty |
| 18:46.33 | deadcat | Xinux: i find openbox is fast as well. |
| 18:46.35 | Xinux | deadcat: try fluxbox, you wouldn't even like it |
| 18:46.40 | Lin | nicodein: your floppy is connected? |
| 18:46.43 | nicodein | yes |
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| 18:46.48 | deadcat | Xinux: flux sux |
| 18:46.51 | Lin | nicodein: do you have sure? |
| 18:46.59 | Xinux | fluxbox is the best if you want the fastest |
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| 18:47.01 | Lin | wargre: be wlcome! |
| 18:47.01 | tarzeau | SHEEP |
| 18:47.05 | Xinux | cuz it's very minimal running |
| 18:47.08 | nicodein | Lin: yes I'm sure :) |
| 18:47.12 | SuperPhly | if i do a dpkg --purge samba and try to apt-get install samba... it tells me that it can't find "smbpasswd"... wth? |
| 18:47.16 | tarzeau | i think these other dragons really have no brain |
| 18:47.19 | Xinux | deadcat: whats your processor speed an ram? |
| 18:47.23 | jcole | Xinux: gnome is perfect for productivity, like a mac |
| 18:47.24 | Lin | nicodein: Then I really don't know :-( |
| 18:47.30 | deadcat | Xinux: 800mhz 1.5gig ram |
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| 18:47.48 | Xinux | deadcat: lol wtf, 800mhz processor using 1.5gig ram |
| 18:47.49 | nicodein | Lin: thanks anyway |
| 18:47.51 | Lin | I'm lecting in a HP Openview NNM Classroom.. bye! |
| 18:47.57 | Xinux | nice deadcat, how'd you do it :D |
| 18:48.00 | Lin | nicodein: be welcome |
| 18:48.08 | deadcat | Xinux: child labor |
| 18:48.15 | Xinux | lol! |
| 18:48.17 | shingouz | Xinux: try a 486 with 256 of ram |
| 18:48.28 | Xinux | i have 1.7ghz 256mb RAM |
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| 18:49.11 | Xinux | anyways; wmaker is minimal and fast performing |
| 18:49.19 | Xinux | but doesn't look as ugly as fluxbox |
| 18:49.42 | Mage_ | wmaker is ugly. |
| 18:49.47 | deadcat | i started with wmaker and it was ok back then. then tried flux. cant scroll the windows to shade so i jumped to ob3.. mmm ob3 |
| 18:49.53 | reto | wmaker is ways uglier than fluxbox ;) |
| 18:49.53 | nse | people told me once that RAM in unix is called core, is there any one to be used? |
| 18:49.53 | reto | imho |
| 18:50.07 | drp | fvwm |
| 18:50.10 | tarzeau | nse: i call RAM bananas |
| 18:50.17 | Mage_ | e17 > * |
| 18:50.28 | Xinux | reto: you're on crack lol |
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| 18:51.05 | Xinux | reto: fluxbox only really needs one image: a gradient |
| 18:51.09 | blackout | o |
| 18:51.14 | deadcat | !start a window manager war |
| 18:51.15 | dpkg | fvwm95 sucks! |
| 18:51.17 | paulswm | nse: memory used to be called core because it was made of little ferrite rings (cores) with wires running though to magentize and read. Each ring was one bit. |
| 18:51.41 | blackout | i've got a monitor with awfully high resolution - is there any one setting i can change to just make everything uinversally bigger, without destorying quality? |
| 18:51.51 | ZaKa | i need helo with wine, plz, how i use it to execute install.exe from c: ? |
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| 18:51.57 | Xinux | halo* |
| 18:51.58 | blackout | (thus, setting res to 800x600 is not an answer here) |
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| 18:52.10 | shingouz | ZaKa: wine install.exe |
| 18:52.16 | Xinux | bah |
| 18:52.21 | Xinux | wine c:/install.exe |
| 18:52.30 | ZaKa | :) thanx |
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| 18:52.59 | asg | blackout: use -dpi 100 instead of -dpi 75 fonts |
| 18:53.11 | deadcat | tarzeau: i know you are a big fan of openstep because i've seen your page with all those howtos. |
| 18:53.17 | ZaKa | «Xinux» , but, from debian, u use wine /mnt/winme/install.exe?? |
| 18:53.18 | asg | ZaKa: try #winehq |
| 18:53.20 | valdyn | blackout: search "DisplaySize" in man XF86Config-4 |
| 18:53.26 | tarzeau | deadcat: ok i shut up |
| 18:53.27 | wargre | Lin: xhost was alredy well configured... it dont work |
| 18:53.34 | asg | wargre: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 18:53.42 | shingouz | Xinux: you run mandrake if i remember correctly |
| 18:53.55 | deadcat | tarzeau: i have your link on my page. |
| 18:53.57 | nse | warge: maybe gksu is a better option |
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| 18:54.21 | Xinux | wat?! |
| 18:54.23 | Xinux | mandrake |
| 18:54.25 | Xinux | lollorz |
| 18:54.35 | deadcat | i am using mandrake too |
| 18:54.54 | shingouz | Xinux: i just seem to remember that you mentioned not running debian some time ago... |
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| 18:55.00 | Xinux | yeab |
| 18:55.02 | AnjoDeLuz | I using Berimbal ane one know? |
| 18:55.05 | Xinux | but not mandrake lol |
| 18:55.10 | Xinux | mepis |
| 18:55.22 | asg | AnjoDeLuz: ? |
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| 18:55.27 | asg | Xinux: #mepis |
| 18:55.29 | nse | wargre: maybe gksu is a better option (sorry warge) |
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| 18:55.34 | Roldyx1 | hello |
| 18:55.40 | shingouz | Xinux: if you do not run debian, do not hand out "good advice" based on a lobotomized version of debian, please |
| 18:55.41 | PeTeRB | !tell AnjoDeLuz about br |
| 18:55.43 | Xinux | asg: i've been in #mepis |
| 18:55.54 | Xinux | how ignorant. |
| 18:55.56 | AnjoDeLuz | ane body know Berimbal linux? |
| 18:56.04 | asg | Xinux: if you are still running it, that's where you need to be |
| 18:56.10 | asg | AnjoDeLuz: no, try #berimbal |
| 18:56.12 | AnjoDeLuz | Yes |
| 18:56.18 | AnjoDeLuz | I am from Beasil. |
| 18:56.24 | shingouz | !br |
| 18:56.24 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 18:56.43 | nse | Berimabel? wtf |
| 18:56.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: got ya |
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| 18:56.48 | AnjoDeLuz | #berimbal |
| 18:56.49 | Roldyx1 | !es |
| 18:56.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:57.04 | nse | stay calm people |
| 18:57.05 | paulswm | !br |
| 18:57.05 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:57.06 | asg | nse: some other almost-but-not-quite-entirely-unlike-debian distro |
| 18:57.07 | shingouz | good question, wtf is berimbal in anycase |
| 18:57.11 | wargre | asg ty it worked. Did u know why XAuthority has disapeared from my config file? |
| 18:57.30 | asg | wargre: no, sorry. |
| 18:57.37 | paulswm | Roldyx1: Portuguese in Brazil :) |
| 18:57.41 | nse | asg: hehe! I love debian.. |
| 18:57.51 | deadcat | nse: shutup |
| 18:57.52 | Roldyx1 | paulswm, of course |
| 18:57.56 | Roldyx1 | :D |
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| 18:58.06 | wargre | asg :) i dont care if no more problem now |
| 18:58.18 | Roldyx1 | paulswm, :P |
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| 18:58.53 | Xinux | i think i'll switch to Debian, not lol |
| 18:58.56 | paulswm | Roldyx1: heh |
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| 18:59.12 | jharrisonwk | Xinux: you no like the debian? |
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| 18:59.17 | Xinux | i like it yeah. |
| 18:59.32 | Xinux | i love debian |
| 18:59.37 | valdyn | !lol |
| 18:59.37 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 19:00.09 | Xinux | lol lol lol lik |
| 19:00.13 | jharrisonwk | Xinux: why you say I think i'll switch to debian, not lol |
| 19:00.18 | Xinux | lol loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
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| 19:00.30 | Xinux | cuz I like debian-based alot |
| 19:00.30 | paulswm | !singlishsmite Xinux |
| 19:00.31 | dpkg | Xinux: Ah, shaddup lah. You all fart and no shit only. |
| 19:00.35 | shingouz | (someone make him go quiet please...) |
| 19:00.39 | valdyn | !cuz |
| 19:00.39 | dpkg | hmm... cuz is you mean because?, or an affectionate name for your cousin (or cousin, according to dvs). |
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| 19:00.56 | deadcat | !bitchslash Xinux |
| 19:01.01 | Xinux | lol. |
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| 19:01.06 | deadcat | !bitchslap Xinux |
| 19:01.08 | paulswm | deadcat: HAHA |
| 19:01.10 | deadcat | stupid bot |
| 19:01.12 | Supaplex | !gritsmite ye'all |
| 19:01.16 | Xinux | i love pissin people off in this room with "lol" |
| 19:01.27 | cmug | u do? me 2 |
| 19:01.29 | shingouz | !moron Xinux |
| 19:01.30 | dpkg | Xinux: You are moron #34 |
| 19:01.30 | deadcat | i like pissing people off by telling them to shutup |
| 19:01.38 | Xinux | oh wow |
| 19:01.43 | Xinux | i want my reward >.< |
| 19:01.48 | cmug | !moron cmug |
| 19:01.49 | dpkg | cmug: You are moron #13 |
| 19:01.52 | jethro | !ops Xinux annoyance |
| 19:01.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Xinux annoyance |
| 19:01.58 | nse | deadcat: I think you should shut yourselfup |
| 19:02.00 | paulswm | !prize jethro |
| 19:02.07 | deadcat | nse: shut the fuck up |
| 19:02.12 | cmug | wicked. Is there a comment field for these #? |
| 19:02.20 | RichiH | Xinux: please stop |
| 19:02.23 | bob2 | come on people |
| 19:02.49 | Souza10 | I am trying to run make into nagio-plugin-1.4, but an error at rc_avpair_add appears. It says: "too few arguments to function 'rc_avpair_add'. I took a look at my /usr/include and the function exist at radiusclient.h , Does anybody could help me? |
| 19:02.57 | Xinux | ?i want my chocolate chip c00kIe LOLer |
| 19:03.13 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 19:03.20 | paulswm | YES |
| 19:03.21 | Xinux | your welcome. |
| 19:03.57 | mentor | You're |
| 19:04.12 | dabaslon | exactly, how come people mix that up, it is like absic. |
| 19:04.24 | deadcat | tarzeau: your ibook pictures are too small. |
| 19:04.30 | jethro | paulswm: thanks |
| 19:04.42 | tarzeau | deadcat: do you have an exact url please? i have 600 mb of homepage |
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| 19:05.16 | deadcat | tarzeau: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/powerpc/pictures/ibook2back.jpg |
| 19:05.32 | tarzeau | deadcat: found them on google picture i think |
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| 19:06.18 | deadcat | hahaha. not even your own? |
| 19:06.18 | csmith | Ok. That didn't work. It said that it couldn't find "read-edid" |
| 19:06.29 | shingouz | csmith: you need to install it |
| 19:06.59 | deadcat | tarzeau: better add your link to my page. (= |
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| 19:07.21 | csmith | I did. I typed the apt-get thing. The whole thing. It stopped after some step and said something to the effect of "E: Couldn't find "read-edid" |
| 19:07.21 | csmith | or something |
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| 19:07.33 | paulswm | !qotd119 |
| 19:07.34 | dpkg | somebody said qotd119 was <john6000> directhex|work you can get lost you loser <john6000> calling me thinck |
| 19:07.34 | tarzeau | deadcat: what's your page? |
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| 19:07.55 | greycat | not a very good qotd. |
| 19:08.02 | deadcat | tarzeau: deadcat.katzeye.com, i thought i have your link there but i guess the other dude's page look almost the same. |
| 19:08.06 | dabreegster | There's a qotd here? |
| 19:08.31 | paulswm | I'm not responsible for it. |
| 19:08.34 | greycat | dabreegster: it's called that, but it's really just a set of not-always-very-funny quotes stored in the bot. |
| 19:08.50 | dabreegster | greycat: wee, bash.org all over again! |
| 19:08.52 | greycat | !factinfo qotd119 |
| 19:08.52 | dpkg | qotd119 -- created by directhex|work <~jms@dhcpa10.comlab.ox.ac.uk> at Wed May 11 15:29:00 2005 (21 days); it has been requested 9 times, last by paulswm, 1m 19s ago. |
| 19:08.59 | paulswm | But I thought it was funny. |
| 19:09.12 | mops | which cipher is the strongest among that supported by ssh version 2? |
| 19:09.13 | takatumi | csmith: try apt-get update and then install |
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| 19:09.24 | greycat | mops: in 20 years we may know. |
| 19:09.30 | cmug | !moron cmug |
| 19:09.31 | dpkg | cmug: You are moron #20 |
| 19:09.36 | greycat | mops: unless someone here works at the NSA and can tell us (yeah, right). |
| 19:09.45 | cmug | that number just keeps rising |
| 19:09.54 | greycat | no, *that* number is random. |
| 19:10.08 | cmug | new morons pop-up like mushrooms after rain |
| 19:10.09 | mops | greycat: I see your answer, but I meant |
| 19:10.16 | cmug | greycat, no, thats what they want you to think |
| 19:10.16 | mops | which should |
| 19:10.20 | dabreegster | Can I be moron #42? |
| 19:10.21 | shingouz | cmug: it is permasunday here |
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| 19:10.37 | mops | is aes256-cbc? |
| 19:10.48 | csmith | takatumi: actually, I think I've got it: would it work to type "su" then my root password, then `apt-get install xserver-xfree86 gnome` |
| 19:10.53 | Lin | amule was removed from debian repositories? |
| 19:11.23 | greycat | dabreegster: I'm moron #42. |
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| 19:11.32 | dabreegster | greycat: Curses. |
| 19:11.36 | greycat | !greycat |
| 19:11.36 | dpkg | hmm... greycat is at http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/ or an error-message-to-apt-get-install translation bot, or way too quick, or magical, or http://wooledge.org/~greg/ or moron #42, or better than a gigapet, or great woodleg, or a linux distro, or sometimes has too much time on his hands, or he outgrew alt.sex.binaries back before it was even alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, or he has nice furry legs, or a sweet ride |
| 19:11.39 | tarzeau | takatumi: join the bubblers club? |
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| 19:12.16 | dabreegster | greycat: Wow, you've got lots of history. |
| 19:12.20 | nse | Lin: no, it was not |
| 19:12.26 | dabreegster | greycat: I'd put that in your resume if I were you |
| 19:12.31 | dabreegster | I wondor if I'm anything here yet. |
| 19:12.33 | Lin | Supaplex: I know apt-cache search ;-) |
| 19:12.35 | dabreegster | !dabreegster |
| 19:12.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, dabreegster is the crazy guy that writes poetry, hacks Perl, and is increasingly obsessed with the Hitchhiker's Guide. |
| 19:12.53 | paulswm | csmith: you have to be root to use apt-get for updates and installs |
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| 19:12.58 | dabreegster | Oh yeah, I put that there. |
| 19:13.04 | dasunt | I have a drive (temporarily) at hdc, with a kernel at /boot/kernel. I want to run lilo and point it to the kernel at /mnt/hdc/boot/kernel yet have that kernel accessable when its on the primary ide device (hda) |
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| 19:14.19 | Supaplex | !supaplex |
| 19:14.19 | dpkg | i guess supaplex is da kewlest old school game eva, or nearly addicted to hot tamales candies |
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| 19:15.01 | paulswm | greycat: btw, re , I'm sure I'm going to be the one to solve RC5-72 and win the $2000 :P |
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| 19:15.13 | paulswm | s/re ,// |
| 19:15.13 | Sero | I'm trying to set the modules that I need to load for the kernel and it's not recognizing my ethernet port.... it's Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T and when I lsmod it's sk98lin but I can't find sk98lin on the list. |
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| 19:15.34 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: You've been trying since Jan. what the hell is wrong with you? :P |
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| 19:16.24 | BrunoTheDwarf | hi, I have a weird request to make of someone - regarding a debian boot floppy (img) - would anyone be able to help? |
| 19:16.24 | greycat | [Oct 13 00:14:09 UTC] OGR-P2: Summary: 32 packets (4912.80 stats units) |
| 19:16.24 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.24 | greycat | mine appears to be favoring OGR just now. |
| 19:16.25 | dabreegster | BrunoTheDwarf: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 19:16.38 | paulswm | greycat: Ah, I am doing RC5-72 only :) |
| 19:16.51 | greycat | wait, why does that say Oct? |
| 19:17.01 | amorphix | !seen furrywolf |
| 19:17.01 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian (1m 38s). Has said a total of 4277 messages. Is idling for 2h 28m 23s |
| 19:17.05 | greycat | ohhhh, wrong directory. |
| 19:17.18 | greycat | [Jun 01 19:09:38 UTC] RC5-72: Summary: 3475 packets (3475.00 stats units) |
| 19:17.18 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.31 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: RC5-72 is only 0.229% complete and the projects been running for 911 days, so I'm not holding my breath :) |
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| 19:18.12 | gmg9 | hi all |
| 19:18.20 | amorphix | im havin trouble |
| 19:18.32 | amorphix | with me raid |
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| 19:18.37 | BrunoTheDwarf | ok, well i have a weird computer that won't boot from CD (it's not a BIOS setting, the computer is just weird), and I'm wanting to play with a few 'live' CDs (debian based OS') .. but I need a boot floppy to boot to first - which ideally has grub on it so I can copy the grub boot stuff from the CD to the floppy |
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| 19:19.12 | shingouz | BrunoTheDwarf: you better ask in the #debianbasedchannel then |
| 19:20.18 | amorphix | eek |
| 19:20.18 | paulswm | o.O |
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| 19:20.19 | PeTeRB | Not again. |
| 19:20.19 | shingouz | i just love those splits |
| 19:20.19 | BrunoTheDwarf | problem being ... I'm a windows person .. *nix newbie I be .. so I'd need someone to make a floppy img for me ... |
| 19:20.19 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Heh. |
| 19:20.19 | BrunoTheDwarf | ouchy ...... |
| 19:20.21 | PeTeRB | There was a 400+ people netsplit yesterday |
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| 19:20.22 | amorphix | phew |
| 19:20.22 | shingouz | BrunoTheDwarf: rawrite. and if you are going to try mepis, ask in #mepis |
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| 19:20.31 | pedro_ | how do I read local mail?? |
| 19:20.35 | pedro_ | in Debian... |
| 19:20.50 | PeTeRB | pedro_: With a MUA |
| 19:20.55 | JohnnyST | pedro_, less /var/mail/your-name |
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| 19:21.01 | greycat | PeTeRB: mutt, mailx, etc. |
| 19:21.01 | BrunoTheDwarf | I have rawwritewin which I can use to make the boot floppy from the img, but I cant make the img myself :( |
| 19:21.01 | thomas_adam | pedro_: mail |
| 19:21.05 | shingouz | pedro_: mutt, mail... |
| 19:21.06 | amorphix | mail? |
| 19:21.06 | greycat | oops, pedro: |
| 19:21.18 | greycat | quittt: mutt, mailx, etc. |
| 19:21.28 | amorphix | unix command, standard? |
| 19:21.36 | greycat | amorphix: mail, cat. |
| 19:21.37 | thomas_adam | amorphix: mailx is 'mail'. |
| 19:21.41 | amorphix | hehe |
| 19:21.52 | greycat | but he said "in Debian..." |
| 19:22.05 | BrunoTheDwarf | shingouz, it's not mepis I'm wanting to try - thanks though (I don't even know what mepis is actually) |
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| 19:22.18 | greycat | mail(1) is in the mailx package, and mutt > {mail,Mail,mailx,pine,elm*} |
| 19:22.19 | paulswm | mailx and mail are differnt on other *nixes, though, just a bit or trivia |
| 19:22.24 | amorphix | i bet its morphix |
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| 19:22.31 | shingouz | BrunoTheDwarf: pick the correct channel, not what the distro you want is based on |
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| 19:22.46 | greycat | BrunoTheDwarf: the point being that #debian isn't it. |
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| 19:22.56 | paulswm | !based on debian |
| 19:22.56 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 19:22.59 | amorphix | debian purists |
| 19:23.03 | BrunoTheDwarf | greycat oh kay .... |
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| 19:23.15 | shingouz | amorphix: not really, we are jsut realists |
| 19:23.19 | Nexus | When I ssh into a regular user account it doesn't seem to source the .bashrc... Any ideas why it might not do that? |
| 19:23.21 | amorphix | :) |
| 19:23.24 | BrunoTheDwarf | I'll try one of the others then.. |
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| 19:23.34 | js_ | Nexus: read .bash_profile |
| 19:23.59 | amorphix | why run a debian derivitive when you can run the real thing |
| 19:24.08 | amorphix | my spelling sux |
| 19:24.09 | shingouz | good question |
| 19:24.10 | paulswm | !prize amorphix |
| 19:24.12 | Nexus | I just can't seem to get a consistant behavior when I install debian. I just installed this on an identical box and put in the same .bashrc, but this box for some reason isn't sourcing it for my user. It does for root though. |
| 19:24.14 | amorphix | lol |
| 19:24.27 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Is OpenBSD Debian? |
| 19:24.44 | JohnnyST | Hi I have a problem with flash and debian sarge, here are two screenshots the one on Fedora works ok I can se the text to the left but not in sarge why is that? |
| 19:24.46 | JohnnyST | http://av8.netikka.fi/~johnny/fedora.png |
| 19:24.53 | paulswm | !singlishsmite scarynetworkguy |
| 19:24.54 | dpkg | scarynetworkguy: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
| 19:24.55 | JohnnyST | http://av8.netikka.fi/~johnny/debian.png |
| 19:24.59 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: :P |
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| 19:25.39 | JohnnyST | I have the same flash version and the same mozilla version, |
| 19:25.39 | knut_ | hello |
| 19:25.39 | amorphix | we like screenshots |
| 19:25.39 | paulswm | Holeeeeeeeeeee shit |
| 19:25.53 | amorphix | phew im getting dizzy |
| 19:26.00 | PeTeRB | paulswm: Good point. |
| 19:26.02 | karsten | paulswm: Splits'n'joints. |
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| 19:26.49 | greycat | netspliffs? |
| 19:26.51 | quittt | wow |
| 19:26.53 | amorphix | freenode is showin us the splits alot lately |
| 19:26.54 | quittt | netsplit sux |
| 19:27.14 | paulswm | greycat: If only :) |
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| 19:36.31 | amorphix | where do i put me firewall config to allow masquerading so its automatically run after boot? |
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| 19:36.52 | RichiH | amorphix: true :/ |
| 19:37.04 | amorphix | RichiH you have some question? |
| 19:37.14 | amorphix | *same |
| 19:37.33 | amorphix | i always have to do it manually everytime i reboot |
| 19:37.35 | RichiH | erm, where did that come from? |
| 19:37.40 | RichiH | forget the last line |
| 19:37.45 | RichiH | 21:23:27 < amorphix> freenode is showin us the splits alot lately |
| 19:37.49 | Souza10 | I am trying to run make into nagio-plugin-1.4, but an error at rc_avpair_add appears. It says: "too few arguments to function 'rc_avpair_add'. I took a look at my /usr/include and the function exist at radiusclient.h , Does anybody could help me? |
| 19:37.50 | RichiH | i was referring to that |
| 19:37.56 | shingouz | amorphix: don't you have anything in /etc/init.d ? |
| 19:38.12 | pzn | Hi! I have very low disk space in a portable device (with debian). Is there any way to create "/root/etc.gz" and mount /etc from /root/etc.gz and etc is kept compressed? |
| 19:38.44 | amorphix | shingouz: i do, should append my extra lines in there? |
| 19:38.54 | greycat | pzn: compressed RAM disk possibly |
| 19:39.03 | furrywolf | you might want to look into cramfs, a ramdisk, or something along those lines. |
| 19:39.13 | shingouz | amorphix: i think so if you have already some firewall script there |
| 19:39.18 | pzn | greycat, yeah, like cramfs, but something like cfilefs :-) |
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| 19:39.57 | amorphix | shingouz ok cheers |
| 19:40.14 | tpr | how com make-kpkg modules_image fails and tells me to fix it with 'make dep', which again says that theres nothing to do |
| 19:40.15 | shingouz | amorphix: found the correct place to slap the custom lines in? |
| 19:41.19 | deadcat | tpr: did you make-kpkg clean? |
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| 19:41.41 | pzn | greycat, you mean that at startup I can create a ramdisk, mount it and expand contents from a .tgz file; at shutdown I can get the directory contents, and compress it again to the .tgz. nice! |
| 19:41.56 | Sero | Can anyone in here help me? |
| 19:42.07 | deadcat | Sero: /topic |
| 19:42.11 | shingouz | Sero: ask |
| 19:42.11 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 19:42.30 | Anthro | I've done this before, but it's been a long time. How do I shrink an (unmounted) ext3 filesystem and its LVM partition? |
| 19:42.43 | tarzeau | we're nearing uber bonus level 100! anyone who wants to have fun, join now: #bub-n-bros http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 19:42.45 | amorphix | shingouz: just looking |
| 19:43.22 | tpr | deadcat: i did at some point after making the kernel :p ill try again |
| 19:43.34 | Sero | I'm just stuck here.... I don't know what modules to load for my ethernet and Debian isn't recognizing it, I |
| 19:43.37 | Sero | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.42 | deadcat | tpr: do it before make mnuconfig |
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| 19:43.52 | Sero | Do I just not install Debian then? |
| 19:43.53 | tpr | deadcat: though, what im doing is trying to build PCMCIA deb's, got the pcmcia-source via apt-get..not even sure if its something i should be doing :) |
| 19:43.59 | paulswm | Anders1: the LVM partition, or do you mean the LVM logical volume? |
| 19:44.12 | tpr | deadcat: so im not doing menuconfig at all just modules_image and then dpkg -i |
| 19:44.18 | shingouz | Sero: do you have any idea what the nic is? |
| 19:44.27 | deadcat | tpr: if you compile a kernel yourself. you dont need that package. just go inside the menuconfig and select the stuff you need. |
| 19:44.27 | justin | !d-i Sero |
| 19:44.28 | dpkg | Sero, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:44.52 | deadcat | tpr: oh. try installing module-assistant, then m-a a-i pcmcia |
| 19:45.11 | deadcat | Sero: are you using the potato installer? |
| 19:45.17 | Sero | Well I'm not savvy I red the Debian installer thing. shingouz I don't even know what the nic is. |
| 19:45.17 | tpr | deadcat: well I tried to choose everything pcmcia related carefully with make menuconfig, so i guess i odnt need these.. |
| 19:45.20 | Anthro | paulswm: I'm assuming that was actually directed at me. I mean the block device from which the ext3 filesystem is mounted. That's the logical volume, I suppose. |
| 19:45.33 | deadcat | tpr: whta kernel you using now? |
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| 19:45.36 | paulswm | Anders1: sorry wrong nick |
| 19:45.38 | shingouz | Sero: we need more clues here.... |
| 19:45.54 | tpr | deadcat: 2.6.8 |
| 19:45.56 | shingouz | Sero: in other words, which installer are you using at the momemnt? |
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| 19:46.27 | deadcat | tpr: install kernel-headers-`uname -r` module-assistant; then m-a a-i pcmcia |
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| 19:46.48 | paulswm | Anthro: Sorry about the misaddress. You're not using LVM nomenclature hence the request for clarification. |
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| 19:47.27 | Anthro | paulswm: Like I said, it's been a while. I set up the LVM stuff a good long time ago. |
| 19:47.28 | Sero | shingouz, I was using Minimal Install Testing but it didn't recognize my ethernet so then I just downloaded the CD set I think it's Woody. |
| 19:47.34 | ecobit | is there any reason not to install udev? |
| 19:47.42 | Sero | Which also doesn't recognize it. |
| 19:47.44 | streuner | its crap. |
| 19:47.52 | shingouz | Sero: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 19:47.54 | paulswm | Anthro: man ext2resize, man lvresize |
| 19:47.56 | Sero | I booted up Knoppix and did lspci and lsmod |
| 19:47.56 | greycat | it's crap, and it only does anything in linux 2.6. |
| 19:47.57 | shingouz | Sero: /msg dpkg debian installer |
| 19:47.59 | streuner | should be enough to not install it |
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| 19:48.09 | Anthro | paulswm: I seem to remember a single command that did both at once. |
| 19:48.12 | greycat | so if you're under linux 2.4, it's still crap, but it doesn't do anything but waste disk space. |
| 19:48.19 | ecobit | okay. i have an HP printer the driver for which requires it |
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| 19:48.45 | ecobit | but it won't hurt anything, will it? |
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| 19:48.57 | streuner | ecobit: there are plenty of people which run there printer without it. |
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| 19:49.38 | shingouz | Sero: what computer are you trying to install it on? |
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| 19:49.52 | Sero | My computer in the other room. |
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| 19:50.03 | madclicker | after system update , when starting "gnome-terminal" i get the following error "Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_gc_get_colormap: assertion `GDK_IS_GC (gc)' failed" |
| 19:50.18 | shingouz | Sero: geee... what is the computer. laptop? desktop? compaq? dell? |
| 19:50.28 | ecobit | hmm, maybe i could find out what it did to make my printer work, because before i installed it the driver could not connect to it |
| 19:50.33 | Sero | Custom. No OS on the HDD. |
| 19:51.01 | Sero | I built it. |
| 19:51.07 | streuner | ecobit: if you run an HP USB, /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 19:51.12 | shingouz | Sero: helpful. in that case you must know what the nic is |
| 19:51.14 | tpr | deadcat: hm are those really necassary in order to get pcmcia cards working? the things i chose in the kernel menuconfig arent enough? |
| 19:51.34 | deadcat | tpr: no. they usually work with 2.6.8. maybe your card is just crap |
| 19:51.35 | ecobit | streuner: it is. thanks |
| 19:51.54 | tpr | deadcat: perhaps at this point I should point out that Ive yet to try :P |
| 19:51.56 | deadcat | tpr: i am pretty sure your card is crap. |
| 19:52.04 | Sero | shingouz, the term nic is throwing me off. |
| 19:52.11 | deadcat | tpr: then what the fuck. wasting our time? |
| 19:52.13 | shingouz | Sero: also you need the sarge installer, not the woody installer. the woody installer autoconfigures nothing |
| 19:52.20 | shingouz | !nic |
| 19:52.20 | dpkg | well, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 19:52.22 | deadcat | tpr: little bitch (= |
| 19:52.31 | shingouz | Sero: ^^^ |
| 19:52.39 | justin | tpr: why are you compiling a kernel |
| 19:52.42 | tpr | deadcat: hey assumption is the mother of all fu*k ups, i never sayd i have problems with the card ;) |
| 19:53.05 | tpr | justin: coz the previously installed one (when i installed debian) had crap support for some things and then again a lot of extra i do and will not need |
| 19:53.07 | deadcat | tpr: then stop trolling here. |
| 19:53.34 | ecobit | streuner: FYI i already had followed that doc religiously to install the HP, and still had problems. only installing udev helped |
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| 19:53.41 | tpr | deadcat: hey just askin for help relax, i got it now so thanks |
| 19:54.08 | mort | how long have you guys been playing? tarzeau, how long did it take you for those 2 million? |
| 19:54.08 | streuner | ecobit: hm, i have an HP inkjet and not installed udev and it works... |
| 19:54.16 | tarzeau | mort: not long. :) |
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| 19:54.19 | tarzeau | mort: about 100 levels |
| 19:54.32 | tarzeau | oops crashed |
| 19:54.38 | ecobit | streuner: i have an All-in-One 1300 series... |
| 19:54.39 | furrywolf | I don't know what udev is and my printers all work. :P |
| 19:54.40 | mort | tarzeau: played it the first time... i love it :-) |
| 19:54.40 | streuner | !tell ralf about away |
| 19:54.42 | deadcat | !tell ramzi about away |
| 19:54.48 | deadcat | oops |
| 19:54.52 | tarzeau | mort: hehe :) tell these other guys here, so we get 10 players |
| 19:55.02 | streuner | ecobit: if you saying udev helping with your printer problems - thats total nonsense |
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| 19:55.04 | madclicker | is there a way to save connection profiles for "konsole" in simular way as "gnome-terminal" does? |
| 19:55.14 | tarzeau | streuner: you come play too, honey? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 19:55.25 | ecobit | streuner: grappled with it for a long time. i could see it listed with lsusb. i could see usblp initializing it. but the hpijs driver couldn't connect, nor could sane. now with udev it just magically works |
| 19:55.28 | mort | tarzeau: somebody should make a debian package... is someone working on it? |
| 19:55.35 | streuner | tarzeau: not today. |
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| 19:55.44 | tarzeau | mort: started another server |
| 19:55.51 | Sero | shingouz, I know it's on board my Nforce3 and it's a Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T. |
| 19:55.53 | tarzeau | mort: i tried: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/bubnbros/ |
| 19:56.31 | paulswm | At least while tarzeau's playing bub-n-bros, he's not pimping gnustep :P |
| 19:56.36 | tarzeau | paulswm: bah |
| 19:56.40 | mort | tarzeau: cool, i'd like to see it in the rep soon :-) |
| 19:56.42 | shingouz | Sero: the *sarge* installer, not the woody version. and install with a 2.6 kernel instead of the 2.4 |
| 19:56.43 | streuner | ecobit: you have to first mount it via mount -t usb usb foo in order to see it the first time with lsusb |
| 19:57.01 | tarzeau | mort: we're back in |
| 19:57.14 | mort | tarzeau: crashed again? |
| 19:57.19 | tarzeau | mort: no idea :( |
| 19:57.33 | tarzeau | mort: seems so, ok someone doesn't want us to play bub n bros, time to pimp GNUSTEP again |
| 19:57.45 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: I might *try* |
| 19:57.47 | streuner | ecobit: prolly hotplug helped |
| 19:58.00 | Sero | shingouz, ok |
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| 19:58.07 | ecobit | streuner: lsusb reported it fine. i didn't have to issue any mount commands |
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| 19:58.20 | Jet2k5 | debian rocks! |
| 19:58.20 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: ok just download and run ./BubBros.py make sure you got python2.2-dev (or 2.3) 2.4 won't work!è |
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| 19:58.22 | Sero | shingouz, I used the Sarge minimal and it didn't have it. |
| 19:58.23 | tarzeau | mort: you can make the server? |
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| 19:58.28 | Ich | Jet2k5: you're preaching to the choir |
| 19:58.47 | mort | tarzeau: allright, one sec |
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| 19:58.50 | shingouz | Sero: sarge minimal is not the installer. the sarge installer is about 100M worth of data |
| 19:58.58 | streuner | ecobit: thats a great step to get it working |
| 19:59.13 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: I'm getting that .deb, or should I use the .tar.gz's found on sf.net? |
| 19:59.16 | tarzeau | streuner: but for irc you have time |
| 19:59.20 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: get the sf.net one |
| 19:59.23 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: deb is broken |
| 19:59.28 | PeTeRB | Ah |
| 19:59.35 | streuner | ecobit: if you configure CUPS right, the printer should just work then |
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| 20:00.29 | ecobit | cups was configured. but printing did not work. hp-info always came up blank. after installing udev hp-info could see the printer |
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| 20:00.44 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 20:00.45 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
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| 20:00.58 | tarzeau | takatumi: you join us too? some bubbling |
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| 20:01.09 | streuner | ecobit: just remove udev and follow the step in hpinkjet install |
| 20:01.20 | takatumi | tarzeau: lemme chill out here for a while before I do that. |
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| 20:01.25 | takatumi | game? |
| 20:01.26 | ecobit | streuner: it definitely did something. i may have automated some step that is not listed in the install doc. but whatever it did it made the printer accessible to hpijs |
| 20:01.26 | streuner | ecobit: s/step/steps/ |
| 20:01.31 | csmith | I keep getting the message E: couldn't find package xserver-xfree86. |
| 20:01.57 | takatumi | csmith: try aptitude |
| 20:01.57 | tarzeau | takatumi: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net some easy and chilling bubbling |
| 20:02.02 | streuner | ecobit: if you can see it with lsusb its only an configure issue in CUPS then... |
| 20:02.20 | csmith | What? |
| 20:02.31 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: I just hope I'll be able to successfully run it :P |
| 20:02.44 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: it's easy, run ./BubBros.py but make first |
| 20:02.51 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: then it opens your browser, and go internet servers |
| 20:02.54 | tarzeau | mort: ready? |
| 20:02.58 | ecobit | streuner: no it wasn't. because my cups configuration is IDENTICAL to before |
| 20:03.01 | takatumi | csmith: hit a 'u' to update first, you seem to be having a lot of missing packages, update it. |
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| 20:03.17 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Wait. Does it use Java? |
| 20:03.24 | takatumi | or just apt-get update and install what you need. |
| 20:03.27 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: it can, but htat's the worst backend |
| 20:03.29 | mort | tarzeau: nah, didn't figured it out yet :-( how do I make it appear on the internet servers list? |
| 20:03.30 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: use gtk or x11 one |
| 20:03.35 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Phew. |
| 20:03.40 | fimbc | Has anyone ever experienced this error: http://iostream.dk/files/desk2.jpg and know what to do? (Debian testing) |
| 20:03.43 | csmith | syntax error |
| 20:03.46 | ecobit | streuner: also, i did follow the install-doc (which by the way left out a couple of other build dependencies) and it does not mention any usb mounting |
| 20:03.49 | takatumi | tarzeau: really? I was using java to play bub |
| 20:04.05 | tarzeau | mort: start a new game, internet game (tick this button) |
| 20:04.06 | csmith | it says something about unexpected token |
| 20:04.06 | tarzeau | takatumi: it's the slowest and ugliest ;) |
| 20:04.06 | shingouz | csmith: you in console now with the install? |
| 20:04.09 | tarzeau | takatumi: use gtk or x11 one |
| 20:04.15 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: found it? |
| 20:04.17 | takatumi | tarzeau: oh, lemme try one of those. |
| 20:04.18 | csmith | yes |
| 20:04.27 | shingouz | csmith: apt-get update |
| 20:04.40 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: make errors. |
| 20:04.42 | streuner | ecobit: as i told you before, that was only nessary at the first time, after rebooting with hotplug it wouldnt |
| 20:04.50 | csmith | Reading package lists ...done |
| 20:04.53 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: make must work, or you can't use the other backends, got pygame ? |
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| 20:05.09 | tarzeau | jharrison: you've missed some excellent bubbling |
| 20:05.13 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Don't think so... |
| 20:05.16 | streuner | ecobit: i guess hotplug did it then for me... |
| 20:05.20 | Sero | shingouz, I can't find where to get Sarge non netinstall. |
| 20:05.29 | jethro | PeTeRB: make -C display and make -C bubbob |
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| 20:05.42 | shingouz | csmith: once you get the prompt bac, try the same command you got the previous error from |
| 20:05.46 | takatumi | Sero: why do you need it? |
| 20:06.01 | ecobit | streuner: i did reboot after installing udev. its possible that something else happened after the reboot, or something i had previously configured kicked-in afterwards |
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| 20:06.14 | csmith | command not found |
| 20:06.24 | shingouz | he needs the netinstall but has a sarge minimal and a full set of woody (which does not support his nic) |
| 20:06.24 | takatumi | csmith: which command? |
| 20:06.30 | csmith | the u |
| 20:06.33 | Sero | takatumi, because shingouz told me to get it. |
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| 20:06.38 | Empty | Sero, there are several DVDs for it, you should be able to at least find the torrents for it |
| 20:06.48 | takatumi | csmith: that's for aptitude |
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| 20:06.57 | shingouz | Sero: i told you to get *the sarge netinstall* not the minimal 30M version |
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| 20:07.02 | BleSS | i would install synaptics driver for touchpad complete use |
| 20:07.07 | csmith | It can't find any packages |
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| 20:07.22 | tarzeau | only 18 RC bugs left until we have Sarge! |
| 20:07.22 | takatumi | csmith: can you be more vague? |
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| 20:07.33 | takatumi | \o/ |
| 20:07.36 | Sero | shingouz, oh then yeah the Sarge netinstall isn't the one that's working I got the 2 confused. |
| 20:07.58 | jharrison | tarzeau: fix them! |
| 20:08.02 | BleSS | how install synaptics driver? |
| 20:08.09 | shingouz | Sero: you got me confused. what *exactly* are you using to install? |
| 20:08.11 | csmith | I just logged in to my root account. |
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| 20:08.25 | takatumi | shingouz: nothing wrong with the 30M one either. best of the lot in my opinion. |
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| 20:08.43 | Sero | shingouz, Sarge net install. |
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| 20:08.59 | shingouz | takatumi: could be but you need to know what you do (i think) /me has never installed with the sarge installer |
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| 20:09.13 | takatumi | BleSS: xfree86-driver-synaptics |
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| 20:09.32 | takatumi | BleSS: learn to search, /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:09.35 | Sero | shingouz, when I use it it says it couldn't find the ethernet... actually it says like, "Cannot configure network blah blah DHCP server blah blah or maybe your device isn't working properly." |
| 20:09.46 | BleSS | takatumi, it is in http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/ |
| 20:10.04 | mort_ | tarzeau: my cablemodem is dieing, again |
| 20:10.14 | mort_ | tarzeau: however, try jk3.ath.cx:9999 |
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| 20:10.23 | shingouz | Sero: into the console then with you and modprobe the correct module. i guess you need the 2.6 kernel to install with the card you have in anycase |
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| 20:10.28 | takatumi | BleSS: don't bother, just install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
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| 20:10.35 | ribnitz | evening |
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| 20:10.47 | ribnitz | rsync is so sluggish.. |
| 20:10.48 | mort | tarzeau: right, stupid me :-( |
| 20:10.55 | takatumi | shingouz: trust me it's a breeze. |
| 20:11.11 | BleSS | takatumi, the files get is synaptics_drv.o ? |
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| 20:11.24 | shingouz | takatumi: trust me i am not going to try it, debootstrap roxx0rs :) |
| 20:11.25 | takatumi | for newer nicks, start the installer with linux26 |
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| 20:11.43 | takatumi | csmith: please keep it on the main, I am reading. |
| 20:11.49 | shingouz | takatumi: some Yukon gigabyte ether |
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| 20:11.57 | bztunk | http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050531/dannenberg_01.shtml |
| 20:12.02 | takatumi | shingouz: debootstrap is even better. |
| 20:12.04 | ribnitz | it has been working on a 30g (comparison) rsync for about 4 hours now (100 mbit network...) would you say thats usual? |
| 20:12.06 | BleSS | is there any web for seachrin debian packages? |
| 20:12.20 | deadcat | BleSS: packages.debian.org |
| 20:12.20 | BleSS | i saw it |
| 20:12.23 | shingouz | !tell BleSS about search |
| 20:12.25 | BleSS | thx |
| 20:12.25 | zumbi_ | BleSS, packages.debian.org ? |
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| 20:12.27 | takatumi | the only thing we need now is a clean mechanism to debootstrap a windows machine. |
| 20:12.31 | csmith | I just logged into my root account what do I do? |
| 20:12.31 | Anthro | Isn't there a command to grow an ext2/3 filesystem and the LVM logical volume it's on while the filesystem is mounted? |
| 20:12.52 | zumbi_ | BleSS, apt-cache search <topic> |
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| 20:13.02 | greycat | csmith: exit |
| 20:13.20 | takatumi | csmith: what have you done so far? in terms of installing? |
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| 20:13.20 | greycat | csmith: or man adduser, if you haven't added a normal account yet. |
| 20:13.20 | ribnitz | Anthro: ext2/ext3 dont support growing while mounted. |
| 20:13.39 | ribnitz | Anthro: even xfs/jfs need a proper remount.. |
| 20:13.39 | csmith | Hold on just a second |
| 20:13.41 | Anthro | ribnitz: Are you sure of that? I'm pretty sure I've done it before. |
| 20:14.18 | fimbc | Has anyone experienced this odd beheaviour: http://iostream.dk/files/desk2.jpg and know what to do? (Debian testing) |
| 20:14.32 | ribnitz | Anthro: sure for the xfs/jfs part. I suppose all fses will need a mount -o reomunt ... |
| 20:14.44 | jesperj | I would appreciate help with the following problem. As it is now, I can only access my mp3player by doing "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/mp3spelare" and only root can access it. I would like the player to be automatically mounted if it is possible, and accessible to all users on the system |
| 20:15.12 | deadcat | fimbc: ya. all the time. its called dead link |
| 20:15.14 | csmith | takatumi: I have installed just enough to get to the console. |
| 20:15.24 | ribnitz | jesperj: add the mountpount to /etc/fstab |
| 20:15.34 | takatumi | fimbc: it looks wierd. |
| 20:15.41 | jesperj | so when I plug in the mp3player on /dev/sda1 (the usb port), it would be automatically mounted and accessible to all users |
| 20:15.41 | ribnitz | csmith: adduser foo. |
| 20:16.00 | fimbc | takatumi: Yeah... what the hell is it.. Happens quite alot actually.. xrefresh fixes it |
| 20:16.07 | ribnitz | jesperj: for auto mounting you need an automounter (in addition) |
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| 20:16.24 | takatumi | it's weird that I still can't spell wierd right. |
| 20:16.27 | deadcat | fimbc: crappy video card? |
| 20:16.34 | fimbc | deadcat: It's not a dead link .. |
| 20:16.45 | fimbc | deadcat: Well, old, but has never had problems. Savage 4 |
| 20:16.48 | deadcat | fimbc: ya. it works now. |
| 20:16.53 | fimbc | deadcat: It happend during an upgrade... |
| 20:16.56 | jesperj | ribnitz, ok I will try |
| 20:17.01 | csmith | Ribnitiz: foo is added. |
| 20:17.06 | takatumi | csmith: fiddle a while in the console, will help you in the long run. |
| 20:17.21 | fimbc | deadcat: But I am unsure what package broke it? Could it be X, KDE or Qt? or something else? |
| 20:17.38 | mort | tarzeau: can you read me? did your modem break down too? |
| 20:17.43 | stew | !s3 |
| 20:17.43 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 20:17.48 | takatumi | !qotd113 |
| 20:17.49 | dpkg | methinks qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 20:17.58 | csmith | How is it going to help me I do not know any of thecommands or anything I need to get anywhere but here. |
| 20:18.08 | jesperj | are /dev/sda* usb devices and what does sda stand for? |
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| 20:18.36 | deadcat | fimbc: no clue. i try not to relate myself to kde related shits. |
| 20:18.36 | fimbc | stew: So long story short.. Is should get an Nvidia card? |
| 20:19.00 | Anthro | ribnitz: actually, it looks like ext2resize will do online resizing. |
| 20:19.02 | ribnitz | csmith: You will experience situations where you end up with exactly that. and if the only tool you know is a freaky X11 app.. |
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| 20:19.40 | takatumi | csmith: apt-get install debian-reference |
| 20:19.44 | ribnitz | Anthro: possible. Cant tell you, only use ext3 on root partition (and that doesnt need resizing) |
| 20:19.44 | stew | fimbc: i don't really know, i just know that s3 cards have a bad reputation |
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| 20:19.55 | fimbc | stew: I see why... :) |
| 20:20.09 | ribnitz | stew: well businerss oriented.. |
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| 20:20.23 | Pixelgamer | If i wanna install Debian on my PC (which right nor only runs with wundows), Do i have to create the partition on the same hard drive as my C:\ ? And about how much space you think I'll need for it? (I'll probably dont use it too much... |
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| 20:20.44 | takatumi | I had an S3 card at my old bank, it sucks on winbloze too. |
| 20:21.00 | takatumi | on my PC at work that is. |
| 20:21.01 | mort | Pixelgamer: you need to make space for a new partition |
| 20:21.16 | greycat | Pixelgamer: you can install debian on any disk, as long as you can write a boot record to whatever device your BIOS can actually boot from |
| 20:21.16 | questionmark | good evening everyone |
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| 20:21.22 | nirz | hello |
| 20:21.24 | takatumi | questionmark: ? |
| 20:21.37 | mort | Pixelgamer: 100mb or so would be enough, but I wouldn't go under 4G if you want a graphical desktop |
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| 20:21.51 | nirz | my apt got crazy , is there an option that i'll restore all the packages to default ? |
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| 20:22.06 | greycat | mort: 200 MB is a more reasonable guess at the low end. |
| 20:22.17 | takatumi | csmith: apt-get install screen as well. |
| 20:22.20 | ribnitz | Pixelgamer: Depends on what you install. I have an (office-like, ie. graphical env, mail, web, text-processing) setup in about 5G total (only apps, no data) |
| 20:22.39 | [Granger] | can anyone recommend an ssl enabled ftp client? |
| 20:22.44 | shingouz | nirz: there is no default really. tell us the first error and the command you use to get it, maybe we are able to help that way |
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| 20:22.57 | ribnitz | [Granger]: scp...? ;) |
| 20:23.02 | takatumi | greycat: you've been regularly irregular here these days. :P |
| 20:23.06 | [Granger] | scp? |
| 20:23.06 | mort | greycat: I heard from people who run debian on 64MB usb sticks |
| 20:23.09 | nirz | oki |
| 20:23.22 | ribnitz | [Granger]: rcp over ssh.. |
| 20:23.25 | [Granger] | ribnitz: isn't that ssh |
| 20:23.28 | greycat | mort: that would be heavily customized, though. |
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| 20:23.45 | greycat | a sarge base install is over 100 MB but I don't recall the exact figures. |
| 20:23.52 | ribnitz | [Granger]: and if you use lftp it can possibly do that. |
| 20:24.06 | jharrison | !joint |
| 20:24.06 | dpkg | it has been said that joint is $1 <action>passes $1 a nicely rolled marley |
| 20:24.09 | ribnitz | greycat: but that does not include graphics, does it? |
| 20:24.17 | greycat | ribnitz: base. |
| 20:24.45 | paulswm | [Granger]: sftp |
| 20:24.47 | greycat | dpkg, no, joint is a marijuana cigarette. These are bad for you. |
| 20:24.47 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:24.55 | Sero | shingouz, modprobe: failed to load module sk98lin |
| 20:24.56 | sbaia | someone can tell me how can i Knew the Hotkey code?? (like 00000030)... I know there are a daemon who make this, but I don't remember it!! |
| 20:24.57 | ginux | i can't install my themes GTK because, i don't know how do it, somebody can help me ? |
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| 20:25.02 | greycat | dpkg, joint $1 is <action> passes $1 a nicely rolled marley |
| 20:25.02 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:25.04 | mort | greycat: yeah, that wasn't a sarge install on that stick, you're right |
| 20:25.09 | questionmark | takatumi: i just came in and felt like greeting ppl |
| 20:25.09 | ribnitz | greycat: I spoke about base + openoffice + firefox + thunderbird + sylpheed +xfce4 + a few more minor apps. |
| 20:25.43 | jesperj | Does this look like a good fstab entry for an usb mp3 player? > "/dev/sda1/mnt/mp3spelare vfatuser,rw,noauto00" |
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| 20:25.47 | takatumi | questionmark: I get that feeling too. try !greetings :) |
| 20:25.51 | sbaia | someone can tell me how can i Knew the Hotkey code?? (like 00000030)... I know there are a daemon who make this, but I don't remember it!! |
| 20:25.55 | shingouz | Sero: what are you trying to install it with. installer and kernel? you already managed to confuse me so badly i do not know if you are trying to install slink |
| 20:25.56 | greycat | sbaia: uh... maybe you want xev? |
| 20:25.56 | EMH_Mark3 | oi oi, anyone uses freenx here? I got a problem with my setup |
| 20:26.05 | karsten | jesperj: Mostly. |
| 20:26.06 | questionmark | takatumi: hmmm lemme see |
| 20:26.10 | questionmark | !greetings |
| 20:26.10 | dpkg | hello, questionmark |
| 20:26.13 | karsten | jesperj: Try it, it won't kill anything. |
| 20:26.22 | jesperj | karsten, yeah :) |
| 20:26.27 | takatumi | !joint me |
| 20:26.30 | ribnitz | jesperj: copy the one for the cdrom, and adapt mountpoints (and fs) |
| 20:27.00 | EMH_Mark3 | I did an apt-get upgrade yesterday and now my freenx sessions won't show the suspend/terminate/cancel dialog when I try to close the nx client... any idea what might cause that? |
| 20:27.00 | jesperj | ribnitz, ok |
| 20:27.04 | jesperj | are /dev/sda* usb devices and what does sda stand for? |
| 20:27.10 | greycat | !msg |
| 20:27.10 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 20:27.11 | furrywolf | at least no one's doing !vallejo today. |
| 20:27.36 | jesperj | furrywolf, so ...tempting |
| 20:27.38 | streuner | furrywolf: removed... |
| 20:27.47 | jesperj | :) |
| 20:27.49 | tarzeau | mort: ok let me try |
| 20:27.52 | streuner | !factinfo valleja |
| 20:27.52 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as valleja, streuner |
| 20:27.59 | streuner | ;-) |
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| 20:28.07 | ginux | i can't mount my hda5 Windows XP, somebody can help me ? |
| 20:28.09 | furrywolf | s/a/o. :P |
| 20:28.13 | ribnitz | Is rsync faster (or more efficient) than scp? |
| 20:28.13 | tarzeau | mort: i'm in. jethro ? |
| 20:28.18 | tarzeau | ribnitz: yes |
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| 20:28.24 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you also play some bub n bros? |
| 20:28.26 | sbaia | someone can tell me how can i Knew the Hotkey code?? (like 00000030)... I know there are a daemon who make this, but I don't remember it!! |
| 20:28.30 | shingouz | furrywolf: shhh... ;) |
| 20:28.41 | jesperj | ginux, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/foo ? |
| 20:28.45 | ribnitz | tarzeau: not at the moment. Some penguin wants an iceberg. |
| 20:28.52 | jesperj | or something |
| 20:28.59 | ginux | jesperj: not works in Debian r5 |
| 20:29.13 | jesperj | ok |
| 20:29.27 | ribnitz | ginux: ntfs is basicallly not supported in linux, use fat32 partitions. |
| 20:29.30 | jesperj | anyone know what /dev/sda* are for devices and what "sda" stands for? |
| 20:29.33 | sbaia | someone can tell me how can i Knew the Hotkey code?? (like 00000030)... I know there are a daemon who make this, but I don't remember it!! |
| 20:29.51 | tarzeau | ribnitz: dragons eat penguins for breakfast |
| 20:29.53 | ribnitz | jesperj: scsi disk. |
| 20:29.56 | furrywolf | sbaia: you just said that. don't say it again. |
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| 20:30.27 | ribnitz | tarzeau: No, I need to convert the storage of a box to lvm (and then to evms). |
| 20:30.45 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Right. It would help if I didn't have a shit connection. HTTP proxy with most ports blocked. I do have a ssh account that I can use for tunneling. |
| 20:30.47 | jesperj | ribnitz, so why am I mounting my usb mp3player with /dev/sda1? |
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| 20:30.58 | ico2 | hi |
| 20:31.08 | furrywolf | and don't message people. I think someone just did the factoid for that, even... |
| 20:31.12 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Any hints? |
| 20:31.15 | greycat | furrywolf: sbaia got you also? |
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| 20:31.26 | greycat | straight into my "/ignore msg" bin, that one. |
| 20:31.38 | ribnitz | jesperj: a) it behaves like a disk b) some newer kernels map things like sata disks, or usb things to sdX.. |
| 20:31.41 | ico2 | what package contains php? i apt-got php4, but that does not have it, i did a search for files in packages on packages.debian.org, but i still cannot file it |
| 20:31.44 | greycat | it's amazing how stupid people can be. |
| 20:31.47 | furrywolf | but it's so much more fun to yell at them. :P |
| 20:31.59 | jethro | greycat: are you still amazed, after all that time in #debian? |
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| 20:32.20 | jesperj | ribnitz, I see. For me it seems logical to just still have it named /deb/usb1 or something |
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| 20:32.30 | jesperj | despite what is on that port |
| 20:32.50 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: join? |
| 20:33.13 | ribnitz | jesperj: an usb cd rom would be named differently though, since its a different type of device. |
| 20:33.21 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: 80-219-6-182.dclient.hispeed.ch:9999 |
| 20:33.23 | mort | tarzeau: how do I get rid of that zombie-me? |
| 20:33.38 | tarzeau | mort: zombi you? |
| 20:33.41 | tarzeau | mort: can you move? |
| 20:33.53 | ico2 | which debian package contains /usr/bin/php? |
| 20:33.55 | takatumi | tarzeau: why ain't you doing anything? I'm the red one. my kid and me actually. :) bbiab. |
| 20:33.56 | ico2 | i cannot find it |
| 20:33.58 | mort | tarzeau: don't you see two morts? |
| 20:34.00 | greycat | !tell ico2 about search |
| 20:34.08 | Sero | shingouz, oh I downloaded the i386 I needed to download ia64 |
| 20:34.15 | mort | tarzeau: yeah, I guess I can change between those to |
| 20:34.18 | tarzeau | mort: ahhhh, wait 5 minutes, it'll disappear |
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| 20:34.34 | tarzeau | takatumi: haha i do all hard work for zero points. and you catch all bonus? |
| 20:34.34 | shingouz | Sero: you *sure* you need the ia64? i do not believe you do |
| 20:34.40 | tarzeau | takatumi: do i look like a moron dragon? |
| 20:34.42 | shingouz | Sero: what cpu you have? |
| 20:34.54 | ribnitz | mort: /msg nickserv ghost foo, only for registered nicks though. |
| 20:34.57 | Sero | shingouz, AMD 64 3200 |
| 20:35.04 | furrywolf | tarzeau: furry? :P |
| 20:35.05 | Sero | shingouz, I mean 3500 |
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| 20:35.16 | tarzeau | furrywolf: are you also in the game? |
| 20:35.17 | sbaia | yes greycat |
| 20:35.20 | Tearran | !tell Tearran about search |
| 20:35.23 | sbaia | can U help me? |
| 20:35.24 | shingouz | Sero: if i am not too much mistaken the ia62 is for intel 64-bit cpus |
| 20:35.32 | shingouz | !u |
| 20:35.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:35.33 | tarzeau | mort: cablecom got some serious tourbles? |
| 20:35.34 | greycat | no, U can't help anyone. U is a moron. |
| 20:35.35 | mort | ribnitz: nope :-) we're talking about bub n bros |
| 20:35.46 | ginux | i can't run KDE beacuse, my periphals got an error, (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device , (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse" |
| 20:35.47 | furrywolf | tarzeau: game? |
| 20:35.47 | ribnitz | mort: oh. |
| 20:35.56 | mort | tarzeau: seems, I get reconnects all night, you don't? |
| 20:36.00 | blahdeblah | Hi. Anyone seen the specs on the PlayStation 3? Sounds like it would make a really nice Debian system :-) - does anyone know if plans are underway to port to it? |
| 20:36.02 | ribnitz | furrywolf: yep. tarzeau is definitely game. |
| 20:36.03 | tarzeau | furrywolf: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 20:36.10 | tarzeau | mort: it works now |
| 20:36.13 | Blissex | ginux: reconfigure X telling it what kind of mouse you have. |
| 20:36.14 | tarzeau | mort: no |
| 20:36.19 | sbaia | cazzo vuoi frocio? |
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| 20:36.31 | greycat | !it |
| 20:36.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:36.31 | ribnitz | !italian |
| 20:36.31 | dpkg | i heard italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:36.42 | simonrvn | U is seen too often, and U is often banned. U has been caught trolling |
| 20:36.55 | greycat | but dpkg hasn't seen 'u' |
| 20:36.57 | deadcat | anyone else having problem with linux-wlan-ng on 2.6.11? |
| 20:37.07 | Blissex | blahdeblah: the Xbox 360 will make a much nicer Debian. |
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| 20:37.17 | ico2 | ok think i found it now, thanks |
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| 20:37.27 | ginux | Blissex: i did it, Generic Mouse PS/2, three buttons and, gave me that error |
| 20:37.40 | blahdeblah | Blissex: why? |
| 20:37.49 | sbaia | figo.... non pensavo che ci fossero un pò di compatrioti quà.. |
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| 20:37.58 | sbaia | HOLA TODOS |
| 20:37.58 | shingouz | deadcat: no compile on a realtime patched 2.6.11.11 the other kernel.org source |
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| 20:38.04 | greycat | jesus fucking christ. |
| 20:38.05 | Blissex | blahdeblah: it is a normal type of SMP mac. the PS2 Cell is a very odd processor. |
| 20:38.06 | nse | Does anybody think that this is possible: when I'll be old, I'll be a Debian developer, a C programmer, a triathlete, and a mathematician with some chemistry knowledges, and a researcher of the human mind. ? |
| 20:38.10 | questionmark | anybody can help me out with a problem with hplip? hplip doesnt find the printer in the network (using sid with the newest version of hplip, and hpijs, my printer is HP5850, on wireless network) |
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| 20:38.17 | quittt | how do I show not used dependencies? |
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| 20:38.21 | Blissex | bah: however the Linux kernel has already been ported to the Cell and probalby PS/3 |
| 20:38.22 | blahdeblah | Blissex: What's odd about it? Got any links? |
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| 20:38.44 | blahdeblah | nse: Bold plan - go for it! :-) |
| 20:38.46 | greycat | quittt: deborphan, debfoster |
| 20:38.57 | shingouz | Blissex: PS3 i guess... at least it is a PS2, not a PS/2 |
| 20:39.00 | Blissex | blahdeblah: yes, wait a second. |
| 20:39.03 | ribnitz | nse: if you get to it... perhaps. debian developer takes 18 months I hear. |
| 20:39.35 | blahdeblah | nse: Don't listen to doubters - dream big! |
| 20:39.36 | mort | tarzeau: it's way more fun when more people are involved |
| 20:39.42 | hall | hi iam new to linux just wondering how to install a programe please consider me cant type so fast lile u guy.any help? |
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| 20:39.52 | greycat | hall: man apt-get |
| 20:39.53 | Blissex | blahdeblah: http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23304 |
| 20:39.58 | blahdeblah | hall: apt-cache search program |
| 20:39.59 | shingouz | hall: man apt-get |
| 20:40.01 | nse | blahdeblah: thanks! |
| 20:40.15 | blahdeblah | Blissex: thanks - will check it out. |
| 20:40.19 | Blissex | hall: there are lots of very nice introductions on the documentation section of the Debian web site |
| 20:40.39 | tarzeau | mort: yeah |
| 20:40.43 | Blissex | blahdeblah: http://gear.ign.com/articles/615/615521p1.html |
| 20:40.45 | hall | o.k |
| 20:40.48 | tarzeau | mort: do you think we can motivate some more here? |
| 20:40.49 | mort | tarzeau: one more person coming soon |
| 20:40.54 | ribnitz | 3.5 million files, 23gigs, 100 mbit lan. 4 hours for rsync. |
| 20:40.59 | Blissex | blahdeblah: http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-1.ars/2 |
| 20:41.06 | mort | tarzeau: I'm making advertisement like stupid on IM |
| 20:41.08 | tarzeau | mort: ask greycat he wanted to play so much |
| 20:41.10 | hall | thank u very much |
| 20:41.21 | Blissex | blahdeblah: and this in particular: http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/ |
| 20:41.35 | tarzeau | mort: and helix and alexscott , Aer , Blissex caci deadcat EMH_Mark3 fumbalah greycat hall ico2 jesperj kristiank lordlamer mort nse OleMoudi PeTeRB quittt ribnitz shingouz Tearran useruser veleno wcb Xinux yure zxv |
| 20:41.36 | kingsley | Why would XFree86 use more memory and thrash the disk more over time? After eight days of uptime it's using 318 MB on my box. |
| 20:41.39 | mort | greycat: it's your turn |
| 20:41.39 | tarzeau | ;) |
| 20:41.55 | ribnitz | 1.6 Mbytes/sec. would have expected more... darn... |
| 20:42.01 | shingouz | tarzeau: what did i do now? |
| 20:42.03 | quittt | tarzeau, stop your bastard |
| 20:42.08 | tarzeau | :) |
| 20:42.08 | Blissex | kingsley: because it probably leaks memory, or caches images a bit too aggressively. |
| 20:42.37 | blahdeblah | Blissex: enough already! I'm only on the 1st link! :-) |
| 20:42.46 | helix | tarzeau: wtf? |
| 20:42.48 | Sero | shingouz, my friend says ia64 is the right one. |
| 20:43.00 | mort | tarzeau: those assholes all want to go to sleep :-( |
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| 20:43.08 | shingouz | Sero: i have no idea |
| 20:43.11 | Blissex | blahdeblah: then get the 1st and the last, which is very nice. |
| 20:43.13 | tarzeau | mort: they are no real dragons |
| 20:43.21 | mort | ;-) |
| 20:43.33 | kingsley | Blissex: Interesting. Have you aware of a specific bug that causes X to leak memory or cache images too agressively? |
| 20:43.39 | jesperj | tarzeau, ? you mentioned me? |
| 20:43.49 | Blissex | kingsley: no specific one, but it is a common issue. |
| 20:43.52 | shingouz | jesperj: he mentioned half the channel ;) |
| 20:44.10 | tarzeau | heh :) |
| 20:44.12 | jesperj | true :) |
| 20:44.20 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Do I need to use both port 9999 and 8888 ? |
| 20:44.21 | jesperj | or not really half the channel but alot of people |
| 20:44.23 | jesperj | ;) |
| 20:44.30 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: no only 9999 |
| 20:44.31 | Blissex | kingsley: lots of major programs do the same: Mozilla, Konqueror, ... |
| 20:44.49 | jesperj | I'm trying to figure out how to get the mp3player to be automounted with hotplug when I plug it in |
| 20:44.52 | mort | PeTeRB: on 8888 is a nice web interface |
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| 20:45.21 | jasoncohen | are there any plans to make permenant security updates for testing? |
| 20:45.33 | Blissex | kingsley: keep in mind that most X/GNU/Linux developers nowadays are not poor grad students on old PCs, but they are highly paid employees of major corporates with at least 2-4GB of memory each. Fixing leaks may not feel like a high priority... |
| 20:45.38 | paulswm | I doubt it. |
| 20:45.49 | jasoncohen | i saw some mention of it here (http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/scc-2005-03-16-10-33.html) |
| 20:45.50 | tarzeau | WHOAAA ALLL THE FRUITS |
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| 20:46.25 | mort | tarzeau: I like the cryptals more |
| 20:46.55 | kingsley | Blissex: Which problem is common? Memory leaks? Disk trashing? Overly aggressive image caching? |
| 20:46.57 | tarzeau | mort: i like it when the bubbles transform into ice cream |
| 20:47.06 | questionmark | anybody having any experience in installing a wireless printer with hplip? |
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| 20:47.15 | Blissex | kingsley: excessive memory usage by whatever form |
| 20:47.36 | jasoncohen | yeah- i think that article is referring to this- http://secure-testing.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:47.51 | jesperj | Anyone know how to make /dev/sda1 mount automatically with hotplug when I plug the mp3player in? |
| 20:48.12 | kingsley | Blissex: Interesting. Perhaps I'll google for memory leak and debug. |
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| 20:48.34 | Blissex | kingsley: I think it is a losing aim... |
| 20:48.35 | doub | jesperj: i've been told 'hald' is an answer |
| 20:48.55 | doub | jesperj: unfortunately, you'll have to configure it yourself, which is not simple AFAIK |
| 20:49.00 | dabreegster | Hey. If I don't have a soundcard that has MIDI support, what packages do I need to emulate a synthesizer? timidity and freepats I'm guessing? |
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| 20:49.33 | Blissex | kingsley: look at the BDW garbage collector shared library and compiling it in qwrapper or leak detection mode. |
| 20:49.33 | doub | jesperj: (it's the contrary on some other distribution that decency prevents me to name here) |
| 20:49.38 | kingsley | Blissex: If one doesn't fix memory leaks, how else can performance be maintaining? Rebooting? |
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| 20:50.07 | Blissex | kingsley: what matters is: if performance good enough on the sort of PCs that the developers use? |
| 20:50.08 | paulswm | tarzeau: MY national flag has a dragon on it, of course, but it don't blow bubbles :) |
| 20:50.29 | tarzeau | paulswm: come on, join now! |
| 20:50.41 | Blissex | kingsley: if you have 2-4GB or RAM, it takes a _long_ time before leaks start to matter. |
| 20:50.53 | paulswm | doub: I can help out with the flaming if you want :) |
| 20:51.26 | kingsley | Blissex: From my experience, performance starts off fine, but after a week or so, has deteriorated to not good enough on a box with 1 GB of RAM. |
| 20:51.28 | doub | paulswm: just do as you feel like |
| 20:51.37 | WhiteNinja | hello... is there a way to have two running x-server-sessions on the same box? started a kernel-compiling via vnc on another box wiht X-Forwarding and now I want to work with my own box and Xfce again... without killing kernelcompiling on the other with leaving the vnc-session |
| 20:51.42 | paulswm | tarzeau: No thanks, I still have work to do! |
| 20:51.48 | Blissex | kingsley: well, many people reboot/restart more often than that... |
| 20:51.52 | paulswm | doub: I was just kidding :) |
| 20:52.04 | doub | paulswm: me too |
| 20:52.06 | jesperj | doub, yeah... t y |
| 20:52.08 | paulswm | Ah |
| 20:52.19 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Will changing the link to the server so that the hostname is 127.0.0.1 and forwarding the ports with ssh -L work? :) |
| 20:52.21 | koollman | WhiteNinja: yes, it's possible (I usually do "startx -- :1") |
| 20:52.28 | madclicker | how would one use dpkg to list the available "display manager" packages? |
| 20:52.28 | Blissex | WhiteNinja: yes, sure, you can start a new X server instance with display number different from 0 |
| 20:52.29 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: no idea, you try it |
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| 20:52.41 | paulswm | !singlishsmite doub |
| 20:52.42 | dpkg | doub: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
| 20:52.44 | Pappa | :( |
| 20:52.50 | paulswm | :P |
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| 20:53.04 | doub | jesperj: to quote my brother, who's not tech savvy, "[other distribution based on debian which decency prevent me to name here] makes me think using a computer can be easy" |
| 20:53.04 | mort | tarzeau: nobody else is coming... i'll go stufy a bit. but tomorrow is lugbe-treff, maybe I can convince some people there to become dragons |
| 20:53.04 | juanmals | !seen debian |
| 20:53.05 | dpkg | debian is currently on #debian (1h 27m 37s). Has said a total of 8604 messages. Is idling for 14h 17m 40s |
| 20:53.09 | Pappa | what's the usual transfer speed on an smb network ( 100mbit link ) |
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| 20:53.12 | mort | stufy/study |
| 20:53.14 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: A window came up. |
| 20:53.18 | Blissex | kingsley: I have been doing some informal study of memory allocation statistics in Mozilla and Konqueror using the BDW collector... |
| 20:53.19 | WhiteNinja | many thx... new to linux / debian and tried it with the hard way.. installing 2 boxes at the same time.. and one without monitor and keyboard.. have fun :-) |
| 20:53.24 | paulswm | doub: ubuntu? |
| 20:53.29 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Dragons appeared. Music started playing. |
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| 20:53.35 | doub | paulswm: how did you guess? |
| 20:53.39 | ILF_ | when will gnome 2.10 be in unstable and why is testing in experimental taking so long? |
| 20:53.39 | paulswm | :P |
| 20:53.46 | kingsley | Blissex: What have you found? |
| 20:53.48 | Ungy | I didn't know skype had a debian package |
| 20:53.50 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: yay! |
| 20:53.55 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: pick a dragon |
| 20:53.55 | mort | PeTeRB: you're not on the server yet, go to internet-servers link |
| 20:53.58 | tarzeau | and select your keys |
| 20:54.00 | Blissex | kingsley: from thsoe statistics I think there is something really wrong with memory allocation in both, and not just leaks. |
| 20:54.03 | paulswm | PeTeRB: tarzeau's game, or are you doing acid? |
| 20:54.07 | tarzeau | mort: pick EXTEND bonus! |
| 20:54.11 | tarzeau | mort: RUUUUN! |
| 20:54.18 | PeTeRB | paulswm: I see tarzeau and mort |
| 20:54.27 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: I clicked on one at the bottom |
| 20:54.27 | Blissex | kingsley: basically most developers assume that memory is effectively infinite. |
| 20:54.27 | doub | dpkg: no i won't |
| 20:54.27 | kingsley | Blissex: I use Firefox and Konqueror. |
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| 20:55.00 | Blissex | kingsley: look here for some notes I have made: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/swhwAnno05.html#050527 |
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| 20:55.08 | Ungy | Blissex memory infinite you kiddin gme? |
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| 20:55.23 | kingsley | Blissex: I see that the "memprof" package is claimed to detect memory leaks and doesn't require binaries to be recompiled. |
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| 20:55.44 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: How do I play? :P |
| 20:55.46 | Blissex | Ungy: if your PC has 2-4GB and you reboot every week memory can be wasted very very happily. |
| 20:55.46 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: yeah that's it :) |
| 20:55.49 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: just bubble all |
| 20:55.53 | doub | kingsley: so is valgrind |
| 20:55.53 | m4lu7 | Anybody have a line on how best to clone a HD? dd? |
| 20:56.01 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: pick all diamonds and fruits and bonuses |
| 20:56.08 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: be nice to the golden dragon |
| 20:56.09 | doub | kingsley: and it's not only a claim |
| 20:56.26 | m4lu7 | 2 identical drives, i want to do a clone of drive A to B, C and D. dunno how to go about it. |
| 20:56.26 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Controls? |
| 20:56.30 | Ungy | Blissex I run windows at home on 512 Megs and I haven't reboot since the last patch from MS I have gone as long as 4 months without rebooting with no problem |
| 20:56.42 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: the keys you chose on playerdragon selection? |
| 20:56.48 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: unselect your dragon, select it again |
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| 20:56.53 | tarzeau | it shows small animations, for keys |
| 20:56.57 | aidehua | Was Debian 2.0 a hard release to get finished? |
| 20:56.58 | Ungy | Blissex My linux machine at home hasn't been rebooted since last power outage |
| 20:56.58 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: How do I unselect? |
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| 20:57.13 | doub | Ungy: so i guess it's in a cage, with no network connection of any kind, right ? |
| 20:57.14 | Blissex | Ungy: lots of MS stuff wastes a lot of memory too, but current releases of MS Windows waste way less memory than msot GNU/Linux distros. |
| 20:57.15 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: mouse bottom |
| 20:57.18 | kingsley | doub: I wonder if X could be run under valgrind. |
| 20:57.19 | tefflon | is there a way Ican determine the ip I logged on from last ? |
| 20:57.21 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: pick your dragon, right, then left again |
| 20:57.42 | Blissex | Ungy: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/swhwAnno05.html#050512 for some quotes notes on GNOME trying to catch up with MS Windows on memory usage. |
| 20:58.03 | Ungy | doub you kidding me I use them all the time I just not stupid about what I use them for |
| 20:58.10 | Pappa | to reformulate: my smb network is snailing away at 9megabytes per second.. howto-improve? |
| 20:58.13 | doub | kingsley: the X server probably would be a problem, but never tried |
| 20:58.40 | paulswm | X has always sucked, right from the beginning, that's a known fact |
| 20:58.41 | Ungy | Blissex oh I can understand that kde and gnome seem a bit pigish to me but hell if you want a GUI go with it |
| 20:59.08 | Pappa | yeh |
| 20:59.08 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: fun, isn't it? |
| 20:59.13 | Ungy | I don;t run x on my linux machine I only console it |
| 20:59.15 | Blissex | Ungy: something like Konsole or GNOME terminal take several MB of RAM -- that is entirely a joke. |
| 20:59.17 | doub | Ungy: the problem being that you for shure know what you're doing, and that's in contradiction with ms's business model which targets the non-tech savvy, AFAIK |
| 20:59.23 | Ungy | however my work machien what I am on now is KDE desktop |
| 20:59.25 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Apart from not understanding what do I have to do, yes |
| 20:59.42 | dabreegster | Ungy: Ditto. screen is the only way to go. |
| 20:59.43 | Ungy | doub noted I knwo that I do user support ;-( |
| 20:59.45 | Pappa | even better when microsoft tried to come up with a unique, smashing name for their DOS "gui".. they just removed the "X" in "X Windows" |
| 20:59.54 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: you are the light blue dragon |
| 21:00.00 | kingsley | Blissex: I use konq 3.2.2-1, but it was only using about 20 MB. Killing it seems to have released 34 MB from XFree86. |
| 21:00.02 | Ungy | dab I only access it via putty and or ssh |
| 21:00.08 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: you walk around, hop, and make bubbles. bubbling monsters will make them harmless |
| 21:00.18 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: jumping into the bubbles will kill them, and leave bonuses (fruits) |
| 21:00.21 | Blissex | kingsley: thats a bit weird too. |
| 21:00.25 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: go eat the fruits, that'll give you points |
| 21:00.26 | doub | Ungy: i spent enough time fixing user (mis)behavior on windows to know that |
| 21:00.35 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: bonuses appear randomly, get them all! |
| 21:00.44 | dabreegster | Ungy: You can still run screen. It makes things quite nice. I use it mainly for the constant statusbar. |
| 21:01.03 | Blissex | kingsley: Note that I have several Konqueror windows open some with one or two dozen tabs. However when I close all the tabs it still takes a lot of space, and then it starts growing again. |
| 21:01.06 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Do I have to bubble other dragons? |
| 21:01.22 | jethro | PeTeRB: yes, then jump on them, it's funny |
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| 21:01.32 | Ungy | I had an auto-email to techsupport that replied do to UE I am unable to come to your immediate attention I ill however come fix yoru UE after I have fixed the other UE's that have been experienced |
| 21:01.36 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: gives you extra bubbles, and they will hate you |
| 21:01.38 | Blissex | kingsley: the reasons seems to be that it does very large allocations, so it cannot easily reuse freed regions. But I am not that usre. |
| 21:01.39 | jethro | PeTeRB: bubbling other dragons gives you points too |
| 21:01.42 | dabreegster | jethro: what're y'all playing? |
| 21:01.54 | jethro | dabreegster: bubnbros /j #bub-n-bros |
| 21:01.58 | tefflon | I have a shell that runs debian I log onto from different places. Is there a way I can find out the last ip I logged on from ? |
| 21:02.03 | tefflon | if I'm dont have root access |
| 21:02.10 | Ungy | dabreegster, that requires things other then network and power cord stuck into machine no? |
| 21:02.11 | dabreegster | jethro: I might check it out |
| 21:02.16 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: bubbling two with one bubble gives you 10000 points |
| 21:02.18 | jethro | dabreegster: feel free |
| 21:02.22 | uggwar | anyone here know the difference between dh_netdeps and dh_clideps? |
| 21:02.29 | doub | tefflon: lastlog maybe |
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| 21:02.38 | Dict_02x | Hi all.... |
| 21:02.41 | jethro | tarzeau: that explains why you kept on trying to bubble me and jharrison at the same time :) |
| 21:02.51 | dabreegster | Ungy: Don't think so. You can start screen on the host, detach, then retach on your terminal |
| 21:02.51 | toresbe | Hmm |
| 21:02.53 | uggwar | having some probs with a package that needs dh_netdeps, but mono-utils 1.1.7 doesn't include it |
| 21:02.56 | uggwar | or so it seems... |
| 21:02.59 | toresbe | I'm starting a 3D gamelike program |
| 21:03.10 | Dict_02x | I am having trouble installing my Wireless Card in debian.... It says something about "Contrib and non-free packages" |
| 21:03.10 | dabreegster | jethro: does it run on SDL or svgalib or do I actually have to boot up X? |
| 21:03.15 | paulswm | What is this the drqagons-and-bubbles channel now or something |
| 21:03.16 | toresbe | should I use OpenGL or SDL? Which is easier from the API standpoint? |
| 21:03.16 | kingsley | Blissex: Firefox is using 58 MB, and killing it caused XFree86 to use no less memory. |
| 21:03.26 | Ungy | dabreegster, so I have to plug monitor and keyboard into it to get screen? |
| 21:03.32 | tarzeau | jethro: heh ;) |
| 21:03.36 | kingsley | Blissex: What version of the kernel are you using? |
| 21:03.37 | jethro | dabreegster: no idea, I use the x11 client |
| 21:03.47 | doub | tefflon: last* sorry |
| 21:03.52 | ILF_ | when will gnome 2.10 be in unstable and why is testing in experimental taking so long? |
| 21:03.56 | tarzeau | dabreegster: there's x11 and gtk backends |
| 21:03.58 | RichiH | !tell Dict_02x about non-free |
| 21:03.59 | tarzeau | dabreegster: so nothing without x |
| 21:04.06 | Blissex | kingsley: note that ''use less memory'' is not so obvious... Memory size is not a simple conceot with virtual memory and the default LIBC allocator. |
| 21:04.06 | uggwar | hmmm, where should i ask questions about creating packages? |
| 21:04.11 | Ungy | I have to install Skype I am getting yelled out for not having it installed |
| 21:04.16 | dabreegster | Ungy: I'm not sure how your system is set up. But try starting screen on the server, then connect the terminal to the server and attach to the screen session |
| 21:04.22 | dabreegster | tarzeau: Curses. |
| 21:04.25 | Blissex | kingsley: I am using 2.6.11.10 |
| 21:04.33 | tarzeau | MY FRUITS! MY FRUITS! |
| 21:04.38 | doub | well, have a good debian time you all |
| 21:04.44 | RichiH | Dict_02x: you need to add 'contrib non-free' to your /etc/apt/sources.list, basically |
| 21:04.45 | questionmark | finally over! i solved the printer ordeal! |
| 21:04.46 | questionmark | yay |
| 21:04.50 | kingsley | Blissex: I'm using 2.4.27-1-k7. |
| 21:04.52 | tefflon | doub -> /var/log/lastlog: No such file or directory |
| 21:05.01 | _gentgeen_ | Does anyone know how to use a knoppix cd, and get stuff off of a LVM volume?? |
| 21:05.03 | RichiH | tarzeau: YOUR FRUITS! |
| 21:05.10 | RichiH | tarzeau: i can see them running away |
| 21:05.13 | doub | tefflon: just issue the 'last' command |
| 21:05.15 | dabreegster | Ungy: just check it out, it's pretty neat |
| 21:05.16 | _gentgeen_ | I mucked up my debian box by not running lilo after a kernel update, now I am REALLY screwed |
| 21:05.20 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: The letters behind everyone's name on the right side are bonuses? |
| 21:05.23 | dabreegster | _gentgeen_: this isn't #knoppix |
| 21:05.24 | tarzeau | RichiH: you should really join. it's so cool when they fly around like crazy |
| 21:05.31 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: yeah bonus bubbles |
| 21:05.32 | kingsley | Blissex: Would you be willing to run the "top" command and tell me how much "VIRT" XFree86 is using? |
| 21:05.37 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: complete them, and the level will finish |
| 21:05.42 | Blissex | kingsley: 189MB right now |
| 21:05.48 | RichiH | tarzeau: what's the name again? |
| 21:05.56 | jethro | RichiH: bub-n-bros |
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| 21:05.59 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: get the special bonuses for extra sub-game like arkanoid, lemmings, tron, tetris... |
| 21:05.59 | _gentgeen_ | dabreegster, I realize that, but this list has been helpful before, thought I would ask |
| 21:06.01 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: I think there are a bit too many monsters :| |
| 21:06.05 | kingsley | Blissex: What does the "uptime" command report? |
| 21:06.05 | tefflon | whoa lots of shit! lots of users on this shell is there a way I can narrow it down to show my username login only ? |
| 21:06.05 | tarzeau | RichiH: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 21:06.13 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: that's because we are many dragons |
| 21:06.15 | Blissex | kingsley: note that includes also the memory mapped frmae buffer IIRC |
| 21:06.22 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: you're catching up with the points, eh? |
| 21:06.22 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Ah |
| 21:06.25 | Blissex | kingsley: its been up five days |
| 21:06.33 | RichiH | tarzeau: what, no .deb? |
| 21:06.37 | jethro | dpkg: bub-n-bros is <reply> http://bub-n-bros.sf.net - #bub-n-bros |
| 21:06.37 | dpkg | okay, jethro |
| 21:06.38 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: I just hit the controls at random ;) |
| 21:06.44 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: use the specail killer bubbles, water and blizzard |
| 21:06.48 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: lol |
| 21:06.56 | tarzeau | RichiH: no. no deb |
| 21:07.02 | tarzeau | RichiH: unpack and run ./BubBros.py |
| 21:07.09 | doub | tefflon: grep is your friend. or maybe the 'unix and internet fundamentals howto' on tldp.org |
| 21:07.12 | tefflon | doub ok I did a 'last tefflon' and I see only my logins but it cuts off the hostname I logge din from. |
| 21:07.15 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: My wayback PC isn't that good with many monsters :P |
| 21:07.22 | mort | PeTeRB: did you figure out how to climb walls? |
| 21:07.31 | doub | tefflon: man last. i don't know much more, sorry |
| 21:07.46 | tefflon | k thanks |
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| 21:07.48 | PeTeRB | mort: If you mean jump, then yes |
| 21:07.58 | kingsley | Blissex: 189 MB after five days seems like what's happening on my box. I'd like to know if your XFree86 uses more VIRT tomorrow and the after. |
| 21:08.00 | mort | PeTeRB: just hold jump and left/right keys pressed while jumpning and bubble-throwing |
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| 21:08.12 | mort | PeTeRB: you'll get to the upper decks that way |
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| 21:08.37 | PeTeRB | mort: Thanks |
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| 21:09.25 | kingsley | Blissex: s/the after/afterward/ |
| 21:09.32 | dabreegster | tarzeau: If you're on the bub-n-bros dev team, consider making a svgalib client or port it to SDL, since all SDL apps can automatically use svgalib to render graphics |
| 21:09.40 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: see i'm invisible, i got that one ring! |
| 21:09.53 | tarzeau | dabreegster: one man show, ask arigo in #bub-n-bros |
| 21:09.58 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: I can't see myself right now |
| 21:10.13 | dabreegster | tarzeau: Alright |
| 21:10.16 | Blissex | kingsley: it does grow... |
| 21:10.48 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: this is uber specail bonus-only level |
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| 21:10.53 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: kill all star bubbles |
| 21:10.55 | kingsley | Who here has the longest uptime on a box running "unstable"? Mine has been up for eight days and twenty two hours. |
| 21:10.57 | tarzeau | get all FRUIT!S FRUITTTTS |
| 21:11.08 | mort | tarzeau, PeTeRB: I have to go, the server is staying on of course |
| 21:11.15 | PeTeRB | mort: Sure |
| 21:11.24 | PeTeRB | kingsley: 17 hours, but I turn my PC off for the night ;) |
| 21:11.33 | tarzeau | mort: you miss the UBER BONUS FRUIT LEVEL? |
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| 21:12.03 | dabreegster | I would leave my PC on all the time since it's summer vacation now, but the noise makes sleep difficult. |
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| 21:12.17 | tarzeau | DOUBLE DRAGON BUBBLE! |
| 21:12.23 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: What did those percentages mean? |
| 21:12.24 | mort | tarzeau: i'll have to save some fun for school tomorrow, else I'll get bored to death |
| 21:12.25 | Ungy | dabreegster, get quiet fans |
| 21:12.34 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: the amount that you didn't suck |
| 21:13.05 | dabreegster | Ungy: Maybe I should, but I've got an old PC anyway, a 500mhz amd k6 processor, so.. |
| 21:13.06 | iLLf8d | hrm |
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| 21:13.25 | kingsley | Doesn't it seem lame that the longest uptime for an unstable box is only eight days? |
| 21:13.31 | Ungy | My server is a Celery 600 with 528 Megs fo ram |
| 21:13.52 | Ungy | kingsly I had an unstable box up for well over a month |
| 21:14.02 | Ungy | of course I didn;t touch it |
| 21:14.10 | RichiH | tarzeau: what game are you in? |
| 21:14.11 | Ungy | but it was up |
| 21:14.26 | PeTeRB | RichiH: The hispeed.ch one |
| 21:14.27 | paulswm | Ungy: That's funny |
| 21:14.31 | tarzeau | RichiH: the one with most players |
| 21:14.47 | tarzeau | WAHAHAHHAA |
| 21:14.58 | tarzeau | my stomach hurts of fruity laugh |
| 21:15.08 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: i bubbled you 4 times! |
| 21:15.15 | tarzeau | 110 BANANAS |
| 21:15.16 | PeTeRB | Meh |
| 21:15.20 | questionmark | is it, by any chance, possible to re-install linux ( debian, in our case) without losing data? |
| 21:15.22 | tarzeau | 1232 total bubbles |
| 21:15.31 | LoRez | kingsley: 44 days. last went down due to an extended power outage |
| 21:15.34 | questionmark | like in macOS |
| 21:15.40 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: now, is that not fun? |
| 21:15.49 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Hehe. It is |
| 21:15.51 | Blissex | kingsley: I have just started a second X server session with KDE and it takes 159MB, and the previopus one since we started talking has gron by over 10MB virtual, which is quite faster than usual. |
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| 21:16.00 | Ungy | I am runnign unstable right now no problems yet |
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| 21:16.02 | kingsley | LoRez: It is running X? |
| 21:16.05 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: and the music is better than britney spears, too, right? |
| 21:16.19 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: If I had a normal connection and a better PC it would be even more fun. |
| 21:16.20 | RichiH | tarzeau, PeTeRB: there's only a loop with credits and statistics running over the screen |
| 21:16.32 | tarzeau | RichiH: yeah wait, it's over. and restarts in 5 seconds |
| 21:16.44 | LoRez | kingsley: no, it's not. |
| 21:16.45 | jethro | kingsley: 23:16:36 up 211 days, 23:25, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 << that's a sid box |
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| 21:17.35 | paulswm | jethro: Yeah but look at the load average, is it like an ornament or something? :P |
| 21:17.37 | Ungy | damn hmmm how to get my microphone to work |
| 21:17.43 | Ungy | haven't tried this one yet |
| 21:17.49 | jethro | paulswm: load doesn't mean much imho |
| 21:17.57 | paulswm | jethro: j/k |
| 21:18.15 | jethro | paulswm: it's running an uml, and it's also a shellbox for 6 users, and my tv |
| 21:18.22 | kingsley | Blissex: Very good. |
| 21:18.31 | mrwill | how can I see a list of release critical bugs that actually concern the release? I'm not familiar with the bug tracking system, and there are many more release critical bugs than actually concern the release. |
| 21:18.39 | kingsley | jethro: Is it running X? |
| 21:18.39 | jethro | paulswm: and the uml is a public secondary dns/smtp :p |
| 21:18.42 | jethro | kingsley: yes |
| 21:19.30 | kingsley | jethro: That's impressive. Would you be willing to run "top" and tell me how much "VIRT" XFree86 is using? |
| 21:19.42 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: That's not fair! We're stuck in the corner. |
| 21:19.57 | jethro | kingsley: x does not run all the time. only when I watch TV |
| 21:20.00 | Ungy | hmm any tips on how to get a microphone ot work? |
| 21:20.09 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: hahah :) I AM TEH DRAGOOON |
| 21:20.21 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: make bubbles and go over the top to the bottom? |
| 21:21.03 | questionmark | Ungy: check the program you use for audio, ex. i have aumix for that... (although i wouldnt know if it's convenient for mic use, but i recon it would... ) |
| 21:21.08 | amorphix | I think I screwed my raid up :-/ |
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| 21:21.53 | takatumi | my machine rust just down on it's own. |
| 21:21.54 | jethro | !lose amorphix |
| 21:21.55 | dpkg | amorphix: You Lose. |
| 21:22.00 | Pappa | how to set gstreamer preferences? |
| 21:22.15 | Ungy | questionmark, hmm I am using i810 audio or somethign like that |
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| 21:22.38 | jethro | tarzeau: I m lagged when I play on the server you're in at the moment |
| 21:22.45 | questionmark | jethro: hey man, do you know if it's possible to re-install a clean system without losing the old settings, as in macOS? |
| 21:22.47 | tarzeau | jethro: not my server |
| 21:22.50 | Ungy | questionmark i810_audio?? |
| 21:22.54 | tarzeau | jethro: some home cablemodem stuff |
| 21:23.05 | questionmark | Ungy: as long as i know i810 audio is hardware chipset |
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| 21:23.28 | Ungy | yeah so I dunno what program I use for Audio ? |
| 21:23.39 | jethro | questionmark: backup the settings; re install; restore the settings; |
| 21:23.45 | taeli | ungy, try using the proprietry nvidia drivers |
| 21:23.47 | tarzeau | RichiH: i can't get to your side, you must do it yourself |
| 21:24.05 | Ungy | taeli wtf are you talkign about? |
| 21:24.07 | jethro | questionmark: I keep my configuration files in a cvs tree for that purpose |
| 21:24.09 | tarzeau | RichiH: try top left, bubble upwards from the roof |
| 21:24.24 | questionmark | Ungy: where do you change your volume from? :D |
| 21:24.32 | questionmark | jethro: any faq, howto etc? |
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| 21:24.35 | tarzeau | RichiH: perfect honey |
| 21:24.50 | taeli | the drivers you use for your soundcard - I used the i810_audio drivers for a while, but they didn't support 5.1 audio or line-in so I used the proprietry nvidia drivers instead |
| 21:24.56 | Ungy | from KDE menu its mutlimedia Volume control |
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| 21:25.00 | jethro | questionmark: faq on what? using cvs? backup/restore? setting up a system? |
| 21:25.11 | jethro | !tell questionmark -about sicco |
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| 21:25.56 | questionmark | jethro: backup/restore more likely... you know i lack some foundation here, like what is cvs for example... any faq on how one can backup system settings etc |
| 21:25.57 | tarzeau | RichiH: see the bananas? |
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| 21:26.10 | bernouli | how can we protect from land-attack? |
| 21:26.28 | Ungy | question mark well in KDE I use this program called Volume control |
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| 21:26.52 | jethro | questionmark: system wide configuration files are in /etc, user defined settings in your homedirectory |
| 21:26.54 | questionmark | Ungy: tried to find some settings there? |
| 21:27.12 | jethro | questionmark: /msg dpkg faq |
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| 21:27.22 | tarzeau | RichiH: get the melons! they give 4000 |
| 21:27.39 | Ungy | ooooh Its Gnome Volume Control |
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| 21:27.50 | jesperj | I added a line like "/dev/sda1/media/mp3player vfatuser,rw,noauto00" and when I mount it it still isnt writable by user |
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| 21:28.06 | jesperj | do I need to do anything else to make it so? |
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| 21:28.30 | kingsley | Blissex: Do you know abou the "xrestop" command? It tries to report who's using X memory. However, mine reports "<unknown>" for 150 MB. |
| 21:28.34 | tarzeau | RichiH: say something you game addict! |
| 21:28.58 | questionmark | jethro: so essentially what one does is to compress those files and back them up on some media, then just paste them after a clean installation? |
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| 21:29.28 | jethro | questionmark: yes |
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| 21:29.50 | jethro | questionmark: using cvs is another way |
| 21:30.00 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Did I just pop you? |
| 21:30.16 | questionmark | jethro: thanks mate, i shall look into it, like read howto.s |
| 21:30.17 | questionmark | :) |
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| 21:31.00 | jethro | questionmark: reading and practicing is how you get the knowledge bits after bits |
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| 21:31.29 | jethro | questionmark: keep doing it :) |
| 21:31.45 | questionmark | jethro: i got that part already, it doesnt go anywhere in linux world without putting effort, which is what's right anyways... but you know, sometimes one just gets stuck somewhere |
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| 21:31.54 | lasala | what would be the external usb hdd be listed under the /dev folder ? |
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| 21:32.05 | Gumby | can anyone tell me how I might find what is listening on a specific port? |
| 21:32.08 | Ungy | damn I need to use oss ;-( |
| 21:32.18 | jethro | questionmark: that's why there are support channels, such as #debian |
| 21:32.49 | questionmark | jethro: that's what i thought also ^^ |
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| 21:33.39 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: What makes me lose points? |
| 21:33.44 | jethro | PeTeRB: the sheep |
| 21:33.45 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: die |
| 21:33.48 | tarzeau | and the sheep |
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| 21:34.39 | lasala | I'm having problems accessing my external USB drive ... when i access it under /media/hard drive name and do a ls, I will get: No Medium found |
| 21:34.40 | lasala | even though it detects it |
| 21:35.03 | HcE | anybody experienced that "tar" (version 1.5.1 in Debian Sid) has become verbouse when using the --newer-mtime? It has started giving lines for each file like: "tar: ./foo.bar: file is unchanged; not dumped" |
| 21:35.51 | HcE | And I really don't want to do a " > /dev/null" on the output from tar |
| 21:36.22 | questionmark | jethro: btw before i start to believe in such a thing is possible, i just want to get things straight and be sure that it's doable, what i want... i have this sid, with gnome, that's kinda weird.. as far as i understood, woody or sarge, at least, would be better; especially with kde env. so that's more or less what i have in mind... but i cant afford losing my emails and such |
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| 21:37.14 | questionmark | jethro: would it be technically possible? |
| 21:37.19 | jtmoney | is 3.1 gonna be released on dvd? |
| 21:37.23 | jtmoney | (for download) |
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| 21:38.07 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Bah. |
| 21:38.41 | jethro | questionmark: are you just worried with user defined settings? |
| 21:39.12 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: get those BONUS potions |
| 21:39.16 | thomas_adam | HcE: What does the changelog say? |
| 21:39.26 | questionmark | jethro: i think so, i mean things i changed, emails i got, or like my madwifi settings etc |
| 21:39.36 | HcE | thomas_adam: good point, I'll reread it |
| 21:39.39 | jethro | questionmark: if you don't feel confident, and don't want to have to fix a nasty problem someday (see /msg dpkg break) then use sarge |
| 21:39.57 | questionmark | jethro: lemme check |
| 21:40.42 | HcE | thomas_adam: it just says "new upstream version", and some minor changes not relevant |
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| 21:41.04 | thomas_adam | HcE: Grab the upstream changelog, then/ |
| 21:41.18 | HcE | thomas_adam: I really think it might be a issue with tar 1.5.1, IMHO tar should be completly silent when not specified with --verbose |
| 21:41.29 | HcE | thomas_adam: I've read that too, nothing about --newer-mtime |
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| 21:41.48 | nano_ | when I want to remove a directory and all of the files inside, I use "rm -r xxxx" right? |
| 21:42.14 | tarzeau | PeTeRB, RichiH when you freeze the monsters with the heart, you just walk into them |
| 21:42.16 | shingouz | nano_: yes but you may screw up the system |
| 21:42.43 | jethro | questionmark: see also /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:42.50 | nano_ | shingouz: what should I use to remove directory? |
| 21:43.19 | shingouz | nano_: rm is dangerous especially if you do that as root. one screwup and you have a system that is basically toast |
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| 21:43.32 | questionmark | jethro: yeap, i got the point, sid might be problematic... i am not in love with it anyways... it's just that what's important for me is stability, it's functioning more or less now.. i dont use it as a server or something.. not high expectations anyways... all i am worried about is, if i decide to change it, [new installation, new version (woody/sarge) , plus new desk. env. ] i dont want to end up in a unwanted situation, where i get |
| 21:43.46 | takatumi | tarzeau: has your machine ever shut down on it's own? |
| 21:43.47 | shingouz | nano_: rmdir is a good one but you have to remove the files from within the directory first |
| 21:43.57 | tarzeau | takatumi: no |
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| 21:44.07 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: yes honey, you've done very well |
| 21:44.11 | nano_ | shingouz: what if I have a lot of files inside? "rm" one by one? |
| 21:44.11 | tarzeau | OH BONUS AGAIN |
| 21:44.12 | PeTeRB | takatumi: Overheating? |
| 21:44.36 | jethro | questionmark: do you have a dedicated partition for /home ? |
| 21:44.54 | questionmark | nah, i dont think so |
| 21:44.55 | eguzkia | someone have plone on linux debian here? |
| 21:45.06 | shingouz | nano_: rm -rf directory works but you jsut have to be very careful with it or you nuke the system. read the command at least twice before punching enter, pay close attention to all spaces and wild cards |
| 21:45.09 | takatumi | it just happened here, probably not heat, atleast couldn't sense it physically. |
| 21:45.11 | questionmark | lemme see, there would a tool to check it |
| 21:45.13 | jethro | questionmark: don't think, check it. use mount or df to see mounted filesystems |
| 21:45.21 | questionmark | jethro: see above |
| 21:45.21 | takatumi | PeTeRB: ^^ |
| 21:45.21 | questionmark | :) |
| 21:45.45 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: I see two of me :| |
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| 21:45.49 | jethro | questionmark: how did you end up using sid anyway? |
| 21:46.05 | jethro | questionmark: I m just being curious. did someone recommend it to you? |
| 21:46.06 | questionmark | jethro: friend advice |
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| 21:46.30 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: the large omelette changed all our colors |
| 21:46.34 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: points indicate correct color |
| 21:46.35 | questionmark | jethro: yep... |
| 21:46.44 | nano_ | shingouz: thanks! one quick question what's a wild card? |
| 21:46.47 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Ah |
| 21:46.57 | zvonsully | I have just upgraded to kde 3.4.1 : the new Test to Speech engine works so good for me ;) |
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| 21:47.11 | zvonsully | *text 2 Speech |
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| 21:47.21 | shingouz | nano_: * is one. unless you know what wildcards are do *NOT* rm -rf / *anything*! |
| 21:47.40 | Dict_02x | hi, anyone can help me find the [ acx100-source ] package for debian ??? |
| 21:47.48 | jethro | !tell Dict_02x -about search |
| 21:47.52 | jethro | Dict_02x: dpkg can |
| 21:47.58 | Ungy | rm -rf ~* |
| 21:48.00 | shingouz | nano_: until you learn what the wildcardss are, rm each file separately and use rmdir to remove directories |
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| 21:48.04 | Ungy | wtf? |
| 21:48.17 | nano_ | shingouz: yes sir, I will be very careful |
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| 21:48.28 | shingouz | nano_: it is your system, man |
| 21:48.35 | Ungy | I do rm -rf *.gz all the time in my test machines /var/log directory |
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| 21:48.53 | shingouz | Ungy: the keyword there is "test" |
| 21:48.56 | tarzeau | RichiH: it's over ;) |
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| 21:49.15 | Ungy | Better yet I wrote a script that clears my log files it's cool |
| 21:49.23 | shingouz | heh |
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| 21:49.35 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: shame on you. RichiH got twice as much points as you |
| 21:49.50 | Ungy | I have no points |
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| 21:50.05 | Ungy | I used to have pointy elbows til I got fat |
| 21:50.05 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: It was a bit laggy this time |
| 21:50.10 | Blissex | kingsley: wait a sec I am on the phone |
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| 21:50.42 | KungFu | hi |
| 21:50.47 | Ungy | ok I gotta get changed to go play Ultimate Frisbee |
| 21:50.59 | KungFu | I connected an usb HDD, but only root can write to it. |
| 21:51.02 | zvonsully | Does anybody know when XOrg will be in the official debian unstable? |
| 21:51.19 | Ungy | KungFu permissions permissions Permissions |
| 21:51.31 | KungFu | yeah - how to set that for good? |
| 21:51.38 | jethro | zvonsully: /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 21:52.02 | Ungy | Kunfu first determine what group then add user to said group |
| 21:52.14 | Bear_DK | when compiling with gcc, how can I ensure compatibility with previous versions of GLIBC? |
| 21:52.16 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Instructing a friend to come play :P |
| 21:52.16 | KungFu | how to determine the group? |
| 21:52.24 | KungFu | it's /mnt/sda1 |
| 21:52.30 | jethro | paulswm: :) |
| 21:52.36 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: heh, cool |
| 21:52.43 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: you know you can play both on one keyboard! |
| 21:52.49 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: just select another dragon and keys |
| 21:52.52 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: We cant! |
| 21:53.03 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: I'm in East Europe and he's in Denver :| |
| 21:53.22 | questionmark | jethro: 2 partitions, one for swap and one for root i think |
| 21:53.34 | tarzeau | RichiH: get all bonus ice cream first |
| 21:53.34 | Ungy | hmm KungFu ls-la /mnt/sda1 returns what? |
| 21:53.35 | questionmark | (it says Linux swap for one and linux for the other) |
| 21:53.39 | tarzeau | RichiH: before killing last monster |
| 21:53.56 | KungFu | drwxrwxr-x 2 gernot gernot 32768 2005-06-01 23:42 . |
| 21:53.57 | KungFu | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 312 2005-06-01 22:51 .. |
| 21:54.00 | KungFu | I see - gernot |
| 21:54.01 | jethro | questionmark: then tar and compress your home dir, and also find the madwifi related files in /etc, and the other files you may want to backup |
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| 21:54.06 | KungFu | I'm "pia" |
| 21:54.24 | Ungy | shingouz, no it involves a frisbee a field and a bunch of freaks who run around yeling htings like Chilly dump and huck |
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| 21:54.35 | deadcat | whats: "make sure you have enhanced rtc support in your kernel" ? |
| 21:54.39 | jethro | questionmark: once you're done, put that in a safe place, and install sarge, then grab your backup and restore it |
| 21:54.40 | shingouz | Ungy: just a normal geek pastime then |
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| 21:55.07 | Ungy | shingouz yeah an extremely fun game |
| 21:55.09 | questionmark | jethro: question; does madwifi or other programs not alter /usr /var etc those folders? |
| 21:55.47 | shingouz | Ungy: not for me though, no engines involved. my kid sister might like it if she were able to take her broadsword with her |
| 21:56.04 | jethro | questionmark: I don't use madwifi, so I don't know. configuration files should be in /etc though, and if I were you, I wouldn't care much about things in /var or /usr |
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| 21:56.31 | vinay | why is /usr/share/dict/words always blank? |
| 21:56.35 | vinay | or well, bad softlink |
| 21:57.06 | questionmark | jethro: ok... then i'd dare to assume that the main differences between different versions of debian lies in package versions, right? |
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| 21:57.44 | KungFu | Ungy - what script mounts sda devices? |
| 21:57.46 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Friend should arrive any second now |
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| 21:58.06 | questionmark | jethro: meaning, the hierarchy would be more or less the same? |
| 21:58.22 | tarzeau | haha now it's getting funny and crowded dragons |
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| 21:59.03 | zOap | I'm trying to reconfigure my debian install, because I've added another network card. how do i get the menu to scan for new network hardware? |
| 21:59.05 | PeTeRB | Who's the noname one? |
| 21:59.05 | WillR | can someone tell me roughly how long it will take to cp 80gigs from hda to hdb ?? |
| 21:59.08 | Ungy | sorry KunfgFu I gotta go to frisbee game I am sure someone else can help usb problems |
| 21:59.18 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: someone who didn't set his name |
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| 21:59.32 | jethro | questionmark: yes, it's all debian after all. reading the various release details sometimes help figuring out the differences, but sid has no release details, since it's never released. otoh, sarge and sid are very close at the moment, so I wouldn't worry |
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| 21:59.51 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: maybe apt_ Bear_DK caphuso DimmuR|off EderSG fugit Gumby hacim idnar jethro KungFu lasala MoDaX nano_ overnout PeTeRB questionmark RichiH sched Tiberio Ungy vinay WillR xinud yure zOap ? |
| 22:00.04 | hacim | what? |
| 22:00.08 | WillR | anyone???? |
| 22:00.13 | sched | ? |
| 22:00.15 | idnar | !anyone |
| 22:00.15 | dpkg | somebody said anyone was ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:00.16 | hacim | tarzeau: ? |
| 22:00.24 | xinud | tarzeau, ? |
| 22:00.40 | RichiH | ok, i need to leave |
| 22:00.40 | DimmuR|away | tarzeau: what are u talking about? |
| 22:00.42 | RichiH | have fun |
| 22:00.46 | questionmark | jethro: i see... thanks a lot mate, been a good deal help..i'll surely look more into it, especially since i finally have some free time nowadays |
| 22:00.50 | tarzeau | ol |
| 22:00.57 | tarzeau | RichiH: thanks :) |
| 22:00.57 | questionmark | jethro: and sorry for the headache btw :D |
| 22:01.16 | jethro | questionmark: I hope you'll enjoy using sarge :) |
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| 22:01.30 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: My friend must be a 1337 player. He just connected and got 30k points :| |
| 22:01.34 | takatumi | or sid. |
| 22:01.40 | questionmark | jethro: same here ;) |
| 22:01.51 | jethro | questionmark: while you're at installing sarge, create different filesystems to hold / and /home (at least) on different partitions |
| 22:01.55 | Tiberio | Hi, Does anyone know a channel for lyx or sgml toools? |
| 22:02.05 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: loooool |
| 22:02.06 | hacim | tarzeau: ...? |
| 22:02.09 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: this is so much LOOOLL |
| 22:02.12 | jethro | questionmark: it'll help keeping user defined stuff and things like email if you have to install again |
| 22:02.15 | hacim | PeTeRB: ? |
| 22:02.16 | takatumi | 2 scoops of Baskin Robbins Gold Medal Ribbon (large). feel sick now. |
| 22:02.16 | tarzeau | hacim: you join us too? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 22:02.24 | PeTeRB | hacim: ! |
| 22:02.29 | questionmark | jethro: sounds like a good idea |
| 22:03.00 | idnar | that game rocks |
| 22:03.14 | hacim | is there a debian package? |
| 22:03.17 | takatumi | idnar: you playing too? |
| 22:03.20 | tarzeau | hacim: nope |
| 22:03.24 | tarzeau | idnar: definitely ;) |
| 22:03.29 | jethro | hacim: no /msg dpkg bub-n-bros |
| 22:03.35 | idnar | takatumi: not right now, I'm afraid |
| 22:03.38 | takatumi | !bub-n-bros |
| 22:03.39 | dpkg | http://bub-n-bros.sf.net - #bub-n-bros |
| 22:04.22 | takatumi | tarzeau: shameless peddling. :P |
| 22:04.26 | RichiH | hacim: no, but you don't need one |
| 22:04.30 | questionmark | jethro: btw, just for quick reference, what kinda system do you use/familiar with? (as in, kde v gnome, woody/sarge, partitions etc) |
| 22:04.39 | jethro | dpkg: bub-n-bros is also no debian package *yet* get the tarball on sf.net and make -C display ; make -C bubbob; then run BubBob.py |
| 22:04.39 | dpkg | jethro: okay |
| 22:04.45 | RichiH | tarzeau: do i get points for popping a bubble iwth a dragon inside? |
| 22:04.54 | tarzeau | RichiH: no, but for bubbling him |
| 22:05.02 | RichiH | jethro: you don't even need to make stuff |
| 22:05.07 | tarzeau | RichiH: and catching bonuses. killing monsters/dragons never gives you points |
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| 22:05.19 | RichiH | tarzeau: k, i got 10,000 once or twice for bubbling two people |
| 22:05.24 | Isumi | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 22:05.24 | jethro | RichiH: I had to to enable x11 or other clients |
| 22:05.28 | KungFu | I got a script /etc/hotplug/usb/usb-storage, that mounts my device as the wrong user |
| 22:05.32 | tarzeau | RichiH: because i was on irc! |
| 22:05.38 | RichiH | jethro: just get the pygtk package |
| 22:05.39 | Dewi | could anyone tell me how to extract a subset of files from a tar? if I have a tarchive with 3 directories (foo bar baz) in it, how would I extract only foo? |
| 22:05.40 | idnar | Isumi: X? |
| 22:05.41 | takatumi | questionmark: sid/sarge, ion3, mutt, irssi-text, lynx, firefox, vim/emacs will be a start. |
| 22:05.43 | jethro | RichiH: the default would only allow me to use the sucky^Wjava applet |
| 22:05.45 | RichiH | tarzeau: pft ;) |
| 22:05.48 | Tearran | can soemone direct me to an apt-get how-to for mirrors after install? |
| 22:05.51 | jethro | RichiH: ah thanks for the pointer |
| 22:05.55 | tarzeau | mort: lag? |
| 22:05.55 | takatumi | !aolify Isumi |
| 22:05.55 | Isumi | idnar, sorry wrong window... |
| 22:06.23 | RichiH | Tearran: what do you mean? |
| 22:06.34 | RichiH | Tearran: if you want more mirrors, run apt-setup |
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| 22:06.47 | Tearran | use to apt-get in fedora have to change the mirrors |
| 22:06.51 | shingouz | Tearran: you do not need a bunch of them though |
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| 22:07.04 | jethro | questionmark: my desktop is a laptop with sid. I use either DR17 or xfce to open a term with nested screens and a browser |
| 22:07.08 | takatumi | Tearran: huh? |
| 22:07.15 | RichiH | Tearran: debian comes with apt-get preconfigured, so to speak |
| 22:07.26 | RichiH | Tearran: just apt-get update and you are ready to ho |
| 22:07.27 | RichiH | go |
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| 22:07.34 | sandstorm | i cant unload a module due to error: Module xxx is used by [permanent]. how can i unload and reload it? |
| 22:07.37 | questionmark | takatumi: sid/sarge, ion3*, mutt*, irssi-text*, lynx?, firefox, vim/emacs will be a start. (*s = i dont know what they are for, ? = why would i need that) |
| 22:07.40 | tarzeau | mort: can you stop your emule? |
| 22:07.44 | Tearran | and trying to find a package and apt says not there but it is at the site |
| 22:07.47 | tarzeau | mort: we can't play on your server |
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| 22:08.07 | shingouz | Tearran: apt-cache search |
| 22:08.12 | RichiH | tarzeau: so that was were the lag came from.. |
| 22:08.15 | Tearran | thnx |
| 22:08.18 | tarzeau | RichiH: yeah :( |
| 22:08.25 | RichiH | !tell Tearran about search |
| 22:08.31 | tarzeau | RichiH: i'm too tired, maybe tomorrow again |
| 22:08.33 | RichiH | tarzeau: wondershaper? |
| 22:08.39 | jethro | RichiH: does the gtk version matter? |
| 22:08.48 | tarzeau | jethro: works much better than x11 or java |
| 22:08.49 | RichiH | jethro: it's ok, i guess |
| 22:08.50 | questionmark | jethro: sounds like you have given it some effort |
| 22:08.55 | RichiH | i don't know any other, mind you |
| 22:08.56 | takatumi | questionmark: apt-cache show *s you want to know more about. |
| 22:08.59 | jethro | questionmark: not really :) |
| 22:09.26 | hacim | jethro: there is no target make -C bubbob |
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| 22:09.32 | tarzeau | RichiH: the thing is you guys haven't seen the special bonus game levels |
| 22:09.39 | jethro | hacim: read the makefile, and fix the factoid :) |
| 22:09.44 | questionmark | takatumi: smart... never really thought about it *emberrased* |
| 22:09.46 | tarzeau | RichiH: there's tetris! space invaders! lemmings! and the like |
| 22:09.50 | tarzeau | RichiH: it's sooo fun |
| 22:10.17 | RichiH | tarzeau: heh |
| 22:10.19 | jethro | tarzeau: I was asking if I should install pygtk2 ou pygtk1.2 |
| 22:10.21 | reka^ | Ive got a new SATA kontroller which the hpt366 module takes controll over.. how can I prevent this? (I need the hpt366-module for another card that it DOES work for) |
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| 22:10.30 | RichiH | tarzeau: the thing at the end was the überpoints endlevel, i presume? |
| 22:10.30 | tarzeau | jethro: try, don't know really |
| 22:10.36 | tarzeau | RichiH: yeah :) |
| 22:10.46 | takatumi | tarzeau: lemme know when you get to a special level, wanna join. :) |
| 22:10.53 | tarzeau | takatumi: heh |
| 22:11.02 | hacim | jethro: well I can't seem to play yet, so I dont feel qualified to adjust it |
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| 22:11.19 | hacim | I can run the game, and connect to a server, but then it just gives me a black screen with a blue rectangle |
| 22:11.31 | shivraj | how do I get my wireless internet card to work ? |
| 22:11.34 | tarzeau | hacim: no dragons? |
| 22:11.41 | shivraj | I did modprobe bcm203x |
| 22:11.43 | hacim | tarzeau: now there are a couple dragons there |
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| 22:11.49 | jethro | hacim: wait you got clientonly ? |
| 22:11.49 | shivraj | its a belking wireless card |
| 22:11.52 | tarzeau | hacim: really? /me joins |
| 22:11.56 | jethro | dpkg bub-n-bros |
| 22:11.56 | dpkg | http://bub-n-bros.sf.net - #bub-n-bros, or no debian package *yet* get the tarball on sf.net and make -C display ; make -C bubbob; then run BubBob.py |
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| 22:12.05 | tarzeau | which server, hacim ? |
| 22:12.14 | tarzeau | takatumi: shall i start a server on my server? |
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| 22:12.43 | hacim | it seems relatively frozen... I got into a level |
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| 22:12.53 | shingouz | shivraj: i have a strange feeling you need to run ndiswapper to get that one to work. i have no idea how to use ndiswrapper though |
| 22:12.54 | hacim | but the lag is... not good |
| 22:12.56 | ethics | tarzeau, what kind of game is it? |
| 22:12.59 | tarzeau | takatumi, hacim gnu.ethz.ch:32943 |
| 22:13.03 | tarzeau | takatumi: level 95 :) |
| 22:13.08 | tarzeau | !bub-n-bros |
| 22:13.08 | dpkg | http://bub-n-bros.sf.net - #bub-n-bros, or no debian package *yet* get the tarball on sf.net and make -C display ; make -C bubbob; then run BubBob.py |
| 22:13.09 | tarzeau | ethics: for you |
| 22:13.14 | jethro | dpkg: no bub-n-bros is <reply> http://bub-n-bros.sf.net - #bub-n-bros - there is no debian package yet. get the tarball on sf.net, (apt-get install python-gtk2)? and run BubBob.py |
| 22:13.14 | dpkg | okay, jethro |
| 22:13.19 | tarzeau | RichiH: shouldnb't lag on this ;) |
| 22:13.38 | tarzeau | takatumi: bonus right now |
| 22:13.43 | jtmoney | how will i know if i need more than just the first binary cd? |
| 22:14.09 | jtmoney | and when is this gonna be released? =) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764576445/qid=1117663684/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-7817025-6788117?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
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| 22:15.34 | hacim | tarzeau: when i type in gnu.ethz.ch:32943 and then click go, it just reloads the page? |
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| 22:16.03 | tarzeau | hacim: maybe wait until it can connect? you don't click that, start ./BubBros.py |
| 22:16.10 | tarzeau | hacim: and select internet servers in the browser |
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| 22:16.17 | tarzeau | hacim: and click that server in there |
| 22:16.20 | questionmark | good night everybody |
| 22:16.26 | questionmark | !goodnight |
| 22:16.28 | dpkg | gnight, or something said when a person is leaving for the night |
| 22:16.28 | questionmark | hmm |
| 22:16.35 | zepeuga | anyone can tell me why was amule removed from sarge repositories ? |
| 22:16.52 | hacim | oh great, now I have like 8 defunct python processes |
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| 22:16.56 | zepeuga | !amule |
| 22:16.57 | dpkg | amule is probably Another eMule P2P client. It is another fork of the xMule project. It connects to the eDonkey2000 network and can be found at http://amule.sourceforge.net/index.php?downloads |
| 22:17.02 | Huddlebum | could someone point me to somewhere with info on differences between the Debian install CDs? |
| 22:17.05 | fhffhqvb | !why is amule not in testing |
| 22:17.07 | dpkg | amule is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=amule |
| 22:17.08 | tarzeau | takatumi: last leve is only 3 minutes.... |
| 22:17.13 | tarzeau | takatumi: just wait, it'll restart |
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| 22:17.36 | takatumi | tarzeau: wtf you show off, best dragon my ass. |
| 22:17.43 | tarzeau | takatumi: hahaha ;) |
| 22:17.54 | tarzeau | !myass |
| 22:17.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, myass is http://jovan.ru/pics/even-more-crap/Bender.jpg |
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| 22:18.12 | tarzeau | mort: you lagged way crazy, but we were like 10 player dragons |
| 22:18.17 | tarzeau | mort: join my server again, gnu.ethz.ch |
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| 22:18.34 | RichiH | tarzeau: my key are allweird |
| 22:18.56 | tarzeau | RichiH: re-set them |
| 22:19.25 | ethics | !tell fhffhqvb about d-i |
| 22:19.26 | Huddlebum | what are the differences between the debian install cds? there are like 14 ISOs... |
| 22:19.42 | fhffhqvb | ethics: fuck off |
| 22:19.44 | shingouz | !tell Huddlebum about d-i |
| 22:19.47 | RichiH | tarzeau: how? |
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| 22:20.10 | ribnitz | can tar be made to preserve hard (and soft links)? |
| 22:20.11 | ethics | fhffhqvb, oh wrong person sorry |
| 22:20.50 | zOap | how do i get back into the debian install window(from terminal), where I can choose locales, keyboard network hardware and such? |
| 22:20.51 | tarzeau | RichiH: click draong bottom right |
| 22:20.56 | tarzeau | RichiH: then again the same one |
| 22:21.04 | RichiH | tarzeau: up is right, down is left, etc etc |
| 22:21.08 | tarzeau | TRIPLE LARGE DIAMOND |
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| 22:21.22 | zepeuga | i have sarge sources, how can i put a line of one SID, and set sarge as default ? |
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| 22:21.50 | RichiH | tarzeau: i am two dragons now |
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| 22:22.10 | plasma | I get the error "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" when i am uninstalling an application. How can I fix this? |
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| 22:22.15 | kteagu00 | what is the new name for NET-3-HOWTO? |
| 22:22.29 | tarzeau | RichiH: blue amulet |
| 22:22.29 | omnisteg1n | can somebody give me the xfree86 setup command? I always seem to lose it |
| 22:22.40 | Kenn | X --configure? |
| 22:22.41 | fhffhqvb | !dx |
| 22:22.42 | dpkg | fhffhqvb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:22.48 | Tearran | when i do a apt-get update it just update securty.debian.org and not packages.debian.org and what i want is on packages do I need to edit the /etc/apt/source.list ? |
| 22:22.50 | tarzeau | takatumi: that was great ;) |
| 22:22.50 | Kenn | or is it dxsetup.exe? |
| 22:22.53 | Kenn | hehehe |
| 22:23.02 | Kenn | oh yeah, that one too |
| 22:23.09 | takatumi | tarzeau: greedy dragon bastard. |
| 22:23.10 | shingouz | zOap: dpkg-reconfigure locales for the locales, modconf for modules |
| 22:23.30 | zepeuga | i have sarge sources, how can i put a line of one SID, and set sarge as default ? |
| 22:23.32 | Kenn | Can someone tell me what the new name for NET-3-HOWTO is? |
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| 22:23.34 | tarzeau | takatumi: hahahhahaha :) |
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| 22:24.06 | Kenn | zepeuga, SID? |
| 22:24.15 | Kenn | I recognize that as an NT term |
| 22:24.33 | Kenn | <cough> |
| 22:24.35 | FarrisG | so the PHBs are still breathing down my neck for a calendar sharing solution. They want Exchange, they want Outlook integration, and they want to be able to allow receptionists/assistants to edit their calendars. Any suggestions for something that will get me the third, so that I can tell them the first and second aren't feasible? (no windows boxes in my server room) |
| 22:24.37 | sTone_heAd | Tearran, p.d.o is not a mirror, use one from w.d.o/mirrors |
| 22:24.38 | shingouz | zepeuga, Kenn: Sid, not SID... |
| 22:24.46 | sTone_heAd | Tearran, or run apt-setup |
| 22:24.50 | Kenn | Sid as in the distribution? |
| 22:24.58 | Tearran | ty |
| 22:25.08 | Kenn | or, better yet, the release? |
| 22:25.32 | Kenn | apt, net-3-howto |
| 22:25.37 | Huddlebum | FarrisG: Isn't webmail + IMAP very similar to Exchange in functionality? |
| 22:25.50 | sTone_heAd | zepeuga, apt preferences |
| 22:25.55 | Kenn | dpkg, net-3-howto |
| 22:26.09 | Kenn | anyone? please, what is the new name for net-3-howto? |
| 22:26.33 | plasma | I get the error "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" when i am uninstalling an application (openoffice-de-en). How can I fix this? |
| 22:26.37 | FarrisG | Huddlebum: They have webmail, they have IMAP. Just nothing that will allow public/private/sharable calendars |
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| 22:27.08 | Huddlebum | ah... okay |
| 22:27.23 | ribnitz | FarrisG: horde kronolith? |
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| 22:27.31 | doub | plasma: postrm script failure? |
| 22:27.31 | Kenn | plasma, I believe the underlying portions of dpkg are all shell and perl scripts. you'll have to debug it from there |
| 22:27.36 | tarzeau | takatumi: back to normal levels? |
| 22:27.40 | RichiH | tarzeau: oh, that thing has sound, too |
| 22:27.49 | takatumi | tarzeau: sure. |
| 22:27.53 | jethro | bah pygame wont work because of a sound error |
| 22:27.56 | RichiH | tarzeau: nah |
| 22:27.56 | takatumi | RichiH: sure. |
| 22:27.58 | zepeuga | sTone_heAd, where ?! |
| 22:28.03 | Huddlebum | is there any debian install cd that has kernel sources on it? |
| 22:28.05 | RichiH | let the special one, please :) |
| 22:28.07 | Kenn | does no one know the new name for net-3-howto or are people holding back on me? :-) |
| 22:28.07 | tarzeau | RichiH: hahaha |
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| 22:28.14 | plasma | doub: oh it says that the directory doesn't exist, how could I forcefully remove it? |
| 22:28.17 | tarzeau | RichiH: ok one normal, one special |
| 22:28.19 | Kenn | Huddlebum, yeah, the source CD's |
| 22:28.23 | RichiH | k |
| 22:28.23 | takatumi | tarzeau: ok, special. |
| 22:28.29 | shingouz | Huddlebum: you can get them off the net, you do not need the sources on cd most of the time |
| 22:28.38 | zepeuga | in /etc/apt/ I only have sources.list and apt.conf.d/ |
| 22:28.42 | Kenn | Huddlebum, shingouz has a good point |
| 22:28.44 | doub | plasma: that's another (minor problem). does it say which script fails? |
| 22:28.51 | ribnitz | Kenn: there is no new name. its really that old. |
| 22:28.57 | omnisteg1n | Hey guys, I'm running a brand new ATI card on debian sarge and after configuring Xfree86 I can't get it to start, do I need a driver other than the ati one from the list in the xfree86 configure? |
| 22:29.00 | plasma | "cannot remove file |
| 22:29.04 | tarzeau | reconnect |
| 22:29.17 | shingouz | Huddlebum: more to the point, even kernel.org sources work as long as you know what to do with them |
| 22:29.19 | Kenn | ribnitz, thanks, man. I'm looking through the howto directory to point my friend to some staring points, but I don't see net-3-howto |
| 22:29.22 | Huddlebum | shingouz: I need usbnet for my ethernet card... |
| 22:29.24 | plasma | doub: "cannot remove file '/blahblah/protocolhandler.xcs':Not directory |
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| 22:30.04 | Kenn | fock |
| 22:30.04 | sTone_heAd | zepeuga, man apt_preferences |
| 22:30.07 | Kenn | ribnitz, found it |
| 22:30.10 | Kenn | thanks man |
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| 22:30.15 | ribnitz | Kenn: starting point on? |
| 22:30.22 | Huddlebum | shingouz: It's just a crutch to help me get my wireless up... it's a semi-old laptop |
| 22:30.22 | Kenn | ribnitz, starting w/linux |
| 22:30.28 | Kenn | he's already in to routing |
| 22:30.29 | doub | plasma: what does 'file /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.postrm' say? |
| 22:30.35 | Kenn | so he shouldn't have much problems starting with linux |
| 22:30.49 | Chambers` | hi guys, anyone know a place with the .deb of mpio? The homepage is mpio.sourceforge.net |
| 22:30.51 | doub | plasma: replace <pkg> with your package name |
| 22:30.55 | ribnitz | Kenn: Pointed him to the debian users guide? |
| 22:30.58 | takatumi | tarzeau, RichiH : http://gpoppy.org/2005-06-02-012847_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 22:31.05 | shingouz | Huddlebum: you *did* install sarge on the laptop, didn't you? |
| 22:31.10 | Chambers` | i have looked and can't find a .deb of it anywhere |
| 22:31.16 | zOap | shingouz, modconf outputs "command not found |
| 22:31.30 | tarzeau | takatumi: hehe |
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| 22:31.39 | shingouz | zOap: how about installing it? or running modconf as root? |
| 22:31.40 | takatumi | tarzeau: is that how it's supposed to look? can't I make it bigger? the window. |
| 22:31.43 | plasma | doub: one second |
| 22:31.43 | cartel_ | hmm |
| 22:31.50 | tarzeau | takatumi: yes with gtk backend you can scale it |
| 22:31.51 | Kenn | ribnitz, I will. the debian docs are really good, but I want to give him a generalized starting point. |
| 22:32.00 | takatumi | tarzeau: I am using gtk. |
| 22:32.04 | zOap | shingouz, I am running as root:) I'¨ll install it:) thnx:) |
| 22:32.06 | Huddlebum | shingouz: I'm @ 55% download.... I accidentally got a woody cd before |
| 22:32.18 | cartel_ | does anyone know how the Release a=blah is calculated in apt preferences? |
| 22:32.26 | tarzeau | takatumi: in the config go scale it to ,say 200 % |
| 22:32.27 | takatumi | tarzeau: show me a screen shot of yours. |
| 22:32.33 | tarzeau | takatumi: looks the same |
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| 22:32.36 | cartel_ | apt-cache show/policy doesnt show me what Release a package is from |
| 22:32.37 | Huddlebum | it's going at ~230 k though, should be here in about 20 mins |
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| 22:32.43 | Kenn | thanks ribnitz |
| 22:32.46 | Kenn | take care |
| 22:32.57 | plasma | doub: 'var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice-de-en.postrm' (no such file or directory) |
| 22:33.06 | tarzeau | takatumi: i ate the big cake! |
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| 22:33.24 | shingouz | Huddlebum: no wonder the ethernet doesnt work, the kernel on woody is what i call old |
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| 22:33.58 | plasma | doub: i just looked for it manually, and it doesn't exist |
| 22:34.00 | doub | plasma: well, as i asked already, dpkg should say something like '<script name> failed'. does it? |
| 22:34.23 | plasma | doub: i'll check |
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| 22:34.29 | Huddlebum | shingouz: yeah, it's a 2.2, usbnet there is for comp-comp links only i think |
| 22:34.42 | tarzeau | sorry i had to rehub the bubble server, please rejoin |
| 22:34.42 | doub | plasma: where scriptname looks like 'prerm', postrm, or some other |
| 22:34.55 | hcy | hey guys, how do i permanently reset my hostname? |
| 22:34.57 | Huddlebum | shingouz: how easy is ndiswrapper to do in debian? |
| 22:35.05 | plasma | doub: no, it just says that a file cannot be found and it quits |
| 22:35.19 | shingouz | Huddlebum: i have no idea. don't you have anytyhing that is natively supported? |
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| 22:35.35 | Huddlebum | The wired one is native, the wireless is not |
| 22:35.52 | doub | plasma: can you paste the whole output from the remove command (/msg dpkg paster for how to do this, but not in this channel) |
| 22:35.53 | m4lu7 | any idea how long i should expect a dd disk clone of a 40G drive to take? |
| 22:35.53 | mysurfguide | Anybody know why a hostname would reset itself after reboot when already specified in /etc/hosts ? |
| 22:35.56 | shingouz | Huddlebum: which wlan (out of curiosity) |
| 22:36.02 | m4lu7 | did bs=1024, it's a 3ghz pentium host box |
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| 22:36.14 | dx | can someone give me a hint about partitionating my second and third harddrive with cfdisk after installation? |
| 22:36.14 | m4lu7 | sadly, dd gives me no status indicator, i'm just kind of sitting here, waiting. |
| 22:36.18 | jethro | !tell Huddlebum -about ndiswrapper |
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| 22:36.41 | takatumi | tarzeau: like this? http://gpoppy.org/2005-06-02-013413_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 22:36.42 | tarzeau | RichiH: all ice cream first, then monsters |
| 22:36.51 | Huddlebum | shingouz: One of the first Linksys PCMCIA 802.11g cards, it has a Broadcom chipset |
| 22:36.53 | tarzeau | takatumi: LOOOOL |
| 22:36.53 | Chambers` | can anyone help? Are there lareg repositories of debian packages? I am looking for the package called mpio, i only have an rpm of it |
| 22:37.01 | FieldySnuts | @annoy tarzeau |
| 22:37.01 | ravenbird | tarzeau: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 22:37.03 | Huddlebum | shingouz: it worked pretty well under gentoo |
| 22:37.14 | tarzeau | ravenbird: this is so cute, you also join? |
| 22:37.16 | ravenbird | tarzeau: I think you lost me on that one |
| 22:37.17 | shingouz | Huddlebum: ndiswrapper is evil :) |
| 22:37.23 | tarzeau | !bub-n-bros |
| 22:37.23 | dpkg | http://bub-n-bros.sf.net - #bub-n-bros - there is no debian package yet. get the tarball on sf.net, and run BubBob.py |
| 22:37.39 | Huddlebum | shingouz: I know, but so is the wasted cash in buying a new card |
| 22:37.45 | mysurfguide | !host |
| 22:37.45 | dpkg | mysurfguide's host is: ua-83-227-160-21.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se |
| 22:37.51 | hcy | dpkg: hostname |
| 22:37.51 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist |
| 22:38.23 | plasma | doub: i'm pasting it in #flood |
| 22:38.37 | doub | plasma: ok |
| 22:38.40 | shingouz | Huddlebum: with all the rfmon work i do i have personally no use for anything that needs ndiswrapper but if it floats your boat... :) |
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| 22:39.25 | paulswm | tarzeau really needs more players if he's inviting a bot |
| 22:39.37 | pollywog | any spamassassin experts here? |
| 22:39.38 | doub | plasma: ok we misunderstood, i just asked you not to paste the thing in here, not to direct the paster message to flood ;) |
| 22:39.48 | tarzeau | paulswm: wer're 5! 5 slots free |
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| 22:40.04 | shingouz | pollywog: no. just ask if you have problems with it but do not poll |
| 22:40.13 | plasma | doub: oh :P so would you like me to paste it in flood then? |
| 22:40.15 | paulswm | tarzeau: Have fun, I am still working |
| 22:40.16 | pollywog | k |
| 22:40.29 | pollywog | I will post the error in #flood |
| 22:40.35 | Jacobo221 | is there any package like usb-utils for the parallel port? I mean, a package with apps for debugging the pp and get info about what's connected to it |
| 22:40.36 | paulswm | !singlishsmite FieldySnuts |
| 22:40.37 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
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| 22:40.48 | doub | plasma: got it, thanks ;) |
| 22:40.55 | plasma | doub: ok |
| 22:41.00 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: the smite is a collaboration between me and Phated |
| 22:41.03 | astronut | why does KDE depend on PPP?!? |
| 22:41.15 | doub | plasma: anyway, that's strange. maybe try 'dpkg --remove <pkg>' |
| 22:41.23 | plasma | doub: ok |
| 22:41.31 | paulswm | 'cos kde sucks, prolly |
| 22:41.35 | paulswm | :P |
| 22:41.36 | doub | plasma: and paste the result in #flood or paster as you feel like it ;) |
| 22:41.40 | ribnitz | paulswm: Phated will be fast asleep by now. |
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| 22:41.44 | geronimo | hi |
| 22:41.46 | Phated | No, she will not. |
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| 22:41.58 | paulswm | !lose ribnitz |
| 22:41.58 | RichiH | tarzeau: why? |
| 22:41.59 | dpkg | ribnitz: You Lose. |
| 22:42.00 | ribnitz | Phated: She should. |
| 22:42.02 | shingouz | she should, it is late... |
| 22:42.06 | tarzeau | RichiH: why what? |
| 22:42.06 | plasma | doub: ok I pasted it in flood |
| 22:42.07 | pollywog | astronut I don't think it does if you compile it yourself, it is due to kppp |
| 22:42.07 | abrotman | astronut: kde metapackage depends on kppp .. which depends on ppp ? |
| 22:42.11 | Phated | It s 6.41! I have SCHOOL. |
| 22:42.13 | astronut | abrotman: ya |
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| 22:42.30 | KungFu | please help. |
| 22:42.32 | paulswm | Oh God, here we go :P |
| 22:42.44 | KungFu | My usb-hdd is readonly |
| 22:42.47 | pollywog | I pasted my Bayes error in #flood too |
| 22:42.50 | FieldySnuts | tee hee |
| 22:42.55 | paulswm | o.O |
| 22:42.56 | KungFu | it's mounted incorrectly |
| 22:42.56 | shingouz | KungFu: ntfs? |
| 22:42.57 | doub | plasma: that's the apt-get command output, right ? what about dpkg's ? |
| 22:43.00 | KungFu | fat32 |
| 22:43.03 | emiliano | exuse me...i'm trying to download the image (.iso file) of debian (dvd). with Jigdo! but i'm italian, so wich file have i to dowload: "*.jigdo" or "*nonus.jigdo"? |
| 22:43.04 | FieldySnuts | @lart ntfs/fat* |
| 22:43.09 | tarzeau | always get CACTUS BONU |
| 22:43.16 | astronut | phhh...now it won't even show the things that depend on it |
| 22:43.24 | plasma | doub: yes that is right, i will check dpkg's |
| 22:43.27 | shingouz | KungFu: what is the fstab entry for it? |
| 22:43.31 | KungFu | none |
| 22:43.31 | abrotman | emiliano: for woody or sarge ? |
| 22:43.35 | FieldySnuts | ribnitz: why? and consider rsync in the future, very nice especially if you already had the copy partially done (resumes) |
| 22:43.36 | emiliano | woody |
| 22:43.40 | KungFu | it's a usb-storage |
| 22:43.44 | doub | ribnitz: "think before you type", maybe should you repeat this to yourself ;) |
| 22:43.50 | abrotman | emiliano: err .. just get the regular one .. then add the non-us sources later |
| 22:43.53 | shingouz | KungFu: so? how the hell do you mount it then? |
| 22:43.56 | FieldySnuts | !fruitsmite paulswm |
| 22:44.03 | abrotman | emiliano: non-us contians export restricted stuff |
| 22:44.04 | emiliano | ok |
| 22:44.05 | astronut | how can you show what dpeends on a certain package? |
| 22:44.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: join! |
| 22:44.14 | ribnitz | FieldySnuts: I am doing it with rsync, but its still a sluggish machine. |
| 22:44.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's so great, #bub-n-bros |
| 22:44.15 | KungFu | /etc/hotplug/usb/usb-storage |
| 22:44.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: now ? |
| 22:44.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah |
| 22:44.21 | paulswm | Waaa, I want strawberries, not apples |
| 22:44.22 | plasma | doub: sorry, where could I find the dpkg error txt file? |
| 22:44.26 | shingouz | eugh. hotplug |
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| 22:44.29 | Reprobate_ | i am a newb trying to install debian on an old dell but when i linux is loading i get the error: Unable to to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 0f98c471 |
| 22:44.32 | astronut | hmmpphh |
| 22:44.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: 6 players, all women, all from #debian |
| 22:44.37 | ribnitz | FieldySnuts: btw, whats the point in rsync if it has been deleted on the other end? |
| 22:44.39 | paulswm | !singlishsmite abrotman |
| 22:44.40 | dpkg | abrotman: Ah, shaddup lah. You all fart and no shit only. |
| 22:44.41 | abrotman | Reprobate_: which debian ? |
| 22:44.45 | dx | if i've an extra harddisk (for storage only no system files) should it be logic or primary partition |
| 22:44.45 | FieldySnuts | uh i'm not part of whatever that is |
| 22:44.47 | shingouz | KungFu: check if you have something in fstab about it |
| 22:44.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: doubtful |
| 22:44.51 | Reprobate_ | sarge |
| 22:44.54 | KungFu | no,nothing |
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| 22:44.57 | abrotman | Reprobate_: you tried 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 22:44.58 | astronut | libc6-dev requires "linux-kernel-headers", however make-kpkg produces "kernel-headers" |
| 22:45.06 | csmith | Will someone just KILL ME WITH FIRE |
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| 22:45.12 | FieldySnuts | !burn csmith |
| 22:45.16 | FieldySnuts | fine. |
| 22:45.16 | shingouz | KungFu: where does it get mounted? |
| 22:45.23 | KungFu | usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs devmode=0666 0 0 |
| 22:45.24 | doub | plasma: by running the command i told you to run, maybe |
| 22:45.25 | Reprobate_ | just 2.6 |
| 22:45.26 | KungFu | is that one? |
| 22:45.37 | shingouz | KungFu: definitely not |
| 22:45.42 | abrotman | Reprobate_: try 2.4 also |
| 22:45.49 | plasma | doub: i did that, and that was the output |
| 22:45.56 | doub | ribnitz: "you should not talk about things you don't know" is what *i* should repeat to myself |
| 22:46.12 | KungFu | shingouz: the script is mounting the device as far as I know |
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| 22:46.16 | shingouz | KungFu: should be something along the lines of /dev/sda1 /mountpoint vfat defaults |
| 22:46.25 | pollywog | If I did that I would never open my mouth |
| 22:46.27 | FieldySnuts | man fstab |
| 22:46.28 | pollywog | ;) |
| 22:46.29 | shingouz | KungFu: plug it in and run mount |
| 22:46.32 | csmith | I'm missing a WHOLE BUNCH of packages, and I can't update because my computer won't connect to the... to where it should be getting updates from. |
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| 22:46.37 | KungFu | shingouz: no, nothing in stab |
| 22:46.46 | paulswm | !fireball csmith |
| 22:46.47 | geronimo | is there a way to find out the device filename (/dev) a device (under /sys/devices) has as an interface? |
| 22:46.57 | plasma | doub: i ran dpkg --remove openoffice-de-en and that was the output |
| 22:47.00 | KungFu | /dev/sda1 on /mnt/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,quiet,umask=0002,showexec) |
| 22:47.00 | ribnitz | doub: 500kb/sec is not good over a 100mbit network, is it? |
| 22:47.05 | FieldySnuts | a /what/? |
| 22:47.20 | csmith | anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 22:47.33 | Dragon-Eater | guys? |
| 22:47.36 | FieldySnuts | ribnitz: terrible |
| 22:47.38 | Dragon-Eater | need some help :P |
| 22:47.46 | Get_A_Fix | rm * -rf /bin/larden |
| 22:47.47 | jethro | tarzeau: who's the unnamed player? |
| 22:47.52 | shingouz | KungFu: man fstab as FieldySnuts said, you need to have the entry there before a user can mount it. you can mount it as root manually in anycase |
| 22:47.52 | FieldySnuts | ribnitz: max reasonable is about 12MB/s, 8 or 9MB/s is more common |
| 22:47.59 | doub | ribnitz: well, it depends |
| 22:48.05 | shingouz | KungFu: ah |
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| 22:48.23 | KungFu | ah - what? |
| 22:48.27 | doub | ribnitz: if you're talking about overall observed bandwidth, it's not that good |
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| 22:48.32 | ribnitz | FieldySnuts: thats what I get when I use rsync with compression. (speedup 1.6). Without compression I am at about 2.5MBytes/sec |
| 22:48.43 | shingouz | KungFu: if that is the entry you have in fstab you should be able to use the usb-thingie |
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| 22:49.05 | FieldySnuts | rsync compression isn't supposed to be used on a LAN, the system can't keep up with it. it's meant for slow links |
| 22:49.09 | doub | ribnitz: theory says the max speed of a 100 mbits link is... (drum roll) 12 mb/s |
| 22:49.17 | Dragon-Eater | Hello? i need some help, im running a enemy territory server, however i fail to get it listed, my router is a stupid SMC router wich in my eyes sucks completely, however i found something but i need some help with changing the etc.hosts and make sure it wont go like KAPOOF ;) if u know what i mean :p |
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| 22:49.19 | ribnitz | doub: thats theory. |
| 22:49.19 | KungFu | can someone repeat - I missed it |
| 22:49.35 | tarzeau | jethro: no idea. |
| 22:49.37 | FieldySnuts | if you're gonna do metric, get it right... MB is far different from mb |
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| 22:49.42 | Dragon-Eater | if you can help me please query me... |
| 22:49.43 | shingouz | scroll is your friend, KungFu ;) |
| 22:49.50 | doub | plasma: ok let's take it another way. what does 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/<pkg name>.*' say? |
| 22:49.55 | KungFu | man stab? |
| 22:50.10 | FieldySnuts | *sigh* |
| 22:50.11 | shingouz | fstab |
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| 22:50.27 | shingouz | KungFu: fstab, not stab |
| 22:50.30 | ribnitz | FieldySnuts: mbit: 2^10 bits ? |
| 22:50.36 | astronut | anyone good with the internals of PPP? |
| 22:50.39 | KungFu | but -what device? it's not always sda1, is it? |
| 22:50.43 | doub | ribnitz: indeed. that's just forgetting about all the protocols overheads, and in the rsync case, there are many |
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| 22:50.50 | FieldySnuts | mbit is millibit, i doubt you want that |
| 22:51.05 | Dragon-Eater | Hello? i need some help, im running a enemy territory server, however i fail to get it listed, my router is a stupid SMC router wich in my eyes sucks completely, however i found something but i need some help with changing the etc.hosts and make sure it wont go like KAPOOF ;) if u know what i mean :p if you think you can help me please message me coz its hard for me to follow it straight from chnnel) |
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| 22:51.14 | shingouz | KungFu: depends on what you have plugged into the usb i guess. i hate hotplug so i do not use it at all |
| 22:51.18 | astronut | i set my DHCP client to override the DNS servers, but PPP itself seems to overwrite my resolv.conf |
| 22:51.23 | sir_latin | hey, just wondering. What CD's do I need to install debian? |
| 22:51.32 | Dragon-Eater | the install cds? :/ |
| 22:51.34 | shingouz | sir_latin: the netinstall |
| 22:51.34 | ribnitz | FieldySnuts: oh. that. |
| 22:51.43 | sir_latin | I'm going to install it on an old computer (233Mhz 48 MB RAM) |
| 22:51.50 | ethics | !tell sir_latin about d-i |
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| 22:51.53 | Dragon-Eater | go ahead + good luck sir_latin |
| 22:51.54 | ribnitz | sir_latin: one to boot from, plus a network connection to inet |
| 22:51.57 | astronut | it seems to be in the /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0dns-up script |
| 22:52.02 | plasma | doub: it says: "ls: /var/lib/dpkg/openoffice-de-en.*: No such file or directory" :S |
| 22:52.19 | FieldySnuts | probably because it is |
| 22:52.21 | doub | plasma: sorry, that was /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg name>.* |
| 22:52.24 | Dragon-Eater | IS there some network specialist in here? |
| 22:52.24 | sir_latin | ok, what images are for the boot and network connection to inet ribnitz? |
| 22:52.29 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: no it is not |
| 22:52.35 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Byeee. |
| 22:52.35 | FieldySnuts | don't troll me, please |
| 22:52.40 | FieldySnuts | Phated: bye :) |
| 22:52.42 | shingouz | ;) |
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| 22:52.50 | ribnitz | FieldySnuts: so i guess you have observed better tranfer speeds with rsync... |
| 22:52.58 | csmith | does anyone know what to do about my package problem? |
| 22:52.59 | sir_latin | and with the apt-get package thing ofcourse :) |
| 22:52.59 | plasma | doub: it gives me two files, <pkg>.list and <pkg>.md5sums |
| 22:53.12 | FieldySnuts | doub: you're expecting way too much here |
| 22:53.48 | doub | plasma: ok we're guetting close |
| 22:53.56 | astronut | i set my DHCP client to preppend something to the DNS servers, but PPP itself seems to overwrite my resolv.conf. This seems to be in the /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0dns-up script. How do I set up PPP to prepend a server to this list? |
| 22:54.15 | doub | plasma: where's that package from? it's not an official debian one, is it? |
| 22:54.20 | qbwdp | hey guys wat up |
| 22:54.24 | ribnitz | What was that word again branedead? |
| 22:54.26 | doub | FieldySnuts: expecting is cheap |
| 22:54.38 | paulswm | doub: the flaw in that is that one can't use what ine doesn't have :) |
| 22:54.47 | paulswm | s/ine/one/ |
| 22:55.03 | plasma | doub: it is openoffice, i am trying to upgrade it using apt-get, but I get that error when it tries to remove openoffice-de-en while it's upgrading |
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| 22:55.10 | takatumi | tarzeau: my machine is heating up while playing the game. that's why it switched off. |
| 22:55.17 | KungFu | us_MOUNTCMD="/bin/mount -t vfat -s -o $us_OWNER,shortname=mixed,quiet,sync,umask=0002,user,showexec $us_DEVICE $us_MOUNTPOINT" |
| 22:55.24 | doub | FieldySnuts: not to say free (as in beer), and allows much more than cynism |
| 22:55.27 | KungFu | that must mount it |
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| 22:55.35 | shingouz | KungFu: sounds like it |
| 22:55.36 | qbwdp | hey when i nsf mount my server, all the machine work fine except for one, after some time if i do an ls from this one workstation is says ls : no buffer space available , and after 2 min it works again, whats going on? |
| 22:55.47 | sir_latin | woody is the last stable version right? |
| 22:55.52 | KungFu | is there sth wrong? write protected? |
| 22:56.15 | tarzeau | takatumi: hot dragons? |
| 22:56.15 | ribnitz | sir_latin: yes, till about mid next week. |
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| 22:56.24 | shingouz | KungFu: could be, check the drive physically, it may have some odd switch set |
| 22:56.31 | KungFu | nah |
| 22:56.37 | ribnitz | sir_latin: get "sarge" |
| 22:56.37 | Dragon-Eater | IP Address Netmask IF Name |
| 22:56.37 | Dragon-Eater | 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 lo-0 |
| 22:56.38 | Dragon-Eater | 192.168.1.1 255.255.254.0 eth-0 |
| 22:56.38 | Dragon-Eater | 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0 usb-0 |
| 22:56.38 | Dragon-Eater | 213.211.173.125 255.255.248.0 eoa-0 |
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| 22:56.38 | KungFu | I can write aas root |
| 22:56.40 | FieldySnuts | die |
| 22:56.44 | Dragon-Eater | if i need my server |
| 22:56.49 | shingouz | KungFu: a bigger hammer? |
| 22:56.49 | takatumi | tarzeau: probably graphic chip related. ATI IGP340 with xorg. no ATI drivers. |
| 22:56.52 | Dragon-Eater | to run on my external ip |
| 22:56.54 | KungFu | lol |
| 22:56.55 | hooopy | i am attempting to install sarge and i have an nforce2, i told it to load the forcedeth driver but it is asking for parameters to give it so it can load the module, has anybody in here ran into this too? |
| 22:56.59 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Dragon-Eater |
| 22:56.59 | dpkg | Dragon-Eater: wenas how does I run teh grafixx windows !!!! |
| 22:57.00 | Dragon-Eater | i gotta put in on netmask 255.255.248.0? |
| 22:57.08 | KungFu | my usb-stick has the same problem |
| 22:57.17 | shingouz | KungFu: the umask setting? check that one, iirc 022 should hack it |
| 22:57.19 | doub | paulswm: well, to get boring (i love to be so), aristole one said that human beings are at the same time sociable animals, and reasoning animals. that's one thing i believe from him |
| 22:57.27 | sir_latin | ribnitz: So where do I get the netinstall for sarge? Or is it easy to upgrade to sarge when it gets released? |
| 22:57.45 | jethro | sir_latin: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 22:57.51 | doub | paulswm: so, we all can, except for narrow cases |
| 22:57.53 | ribnitz | sir_latin: thats the point. upgrading to current sarge is easy. |
| 22:58.00 | ribnitz | sir_latin: ask dpkg about d-i |
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| 22:58.18 | jethro | sir_latin: also /msg dpkg woody->sarge if you plan to upgrade and not install sarge |
| 22:58.21 | takatumi | sir_latin: or /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 22:58.25 | jethro | :p |
| 22:58.27 | Jacobo221 | is there any package like usb-utils for the parallel port? |
| 22:58.29 | takatumi | jethro: bah! |
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| 22:58.40 | ribnitz | doub: reasoning? |
| 22:58.40 | doub | paulswm: so, you might object #debian is one, as i'm just more and more inclined to believe it ;) |
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| 22:59.02 | doub | ribnitz: well, i'm not a native english speaker. let me check... |
| 22:59.30 | takatumi | doub: so what is your point? |
| 22:59.34 | sir_latin | ok |
| 22:59.37 | sir_latin | thanks guys |
| 22:59.41 | KungFu | wheehaaaa! Bingo! umask 22 did it!!! |
| 22:59.50 | KungFu | 3 hours!!! |
| 22:59.54 | jethro | !!!! |
| 22:59.55 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 22:59.56 | shingouz | KungFu: your umask-fu rocks |
| 22:59.57 | hooopy | by default does the sarge cd use a 2.4 kernel? |
| 23:00.19 | ribnitz | doub: I heard about the sociable (zoon politikon). I never heard of the reasoning.. |
| 23:00.20 | jethro | hooopy: yes |
| 23:00.30 | doub | takatumi: if you're a human being, you can use your brain to have abstract ideas |
| 23:00.34 | jethro | hooopy: there is a linux26 flavor though |
| 23:00.35 | KungFu | can I test a devices' approximate write speed? |
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| 23:00.41 | shingouz | KungFu: maybe now is the correct time to.. |
| 23:00.44 | shingouz | !beer KungFu |
| 23:00.57 | KungFu | !beer shingouz |
| 23:01.00 | doub | ribnitz: zoon logikon iirc. that's one of the very few things i remember from high school philosophy |
| 23:01.15 | shingouz | KungFu: cp something from the device to /dev/null. cp, not mv :) |
| 23:01.17 | ribnitz | doub: well, never had greek. |
| 23:01.20 | mo1991 | Can someone recommend a program to Configure X with that is fairly simple? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree 86 gives errors - I am using debian unstable |
| 23:01.38 | stew | mo1991: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 23:01.39 | KungFu | something that shows a value on console? |
| 23:01.43 | hooopy | this sucks debian doesn't auto detect my nforce2 nic and it wont let me load the module manually |
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| 23:02.08 | shingouz | KungFu: time cp /usb/storage/hugefile /dev/null |
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| 23:02.31 | ribnitz | doub: well, man could imagine an omnipotent god. That god would be able to imagine/create a stone that the god could not lift. hence the god was not omipotent.. |
| 23:02.32 | doub | plasma: maybe ask the package creator for help, then, as it's a fairly broken one |
| 23:02.33 | FieldySnuts | man hdparm , look at the -t and -T options (best run in single user mode multiple times) |
| 23:02.45 | jethro | mo1991: /msg dpkg sid faq, also consider not using unstable if you _need_ a "fairly simple" program when dpkg-reconfigure just "gives errors" |
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| 23:02.58 | shingouz | does it work on usb storage? |
| 23:03.08 | plasma | doub: ok, thanks for the help |
| 23:03.29 | fusQuanto | im having probs with my lan... ive used 2 diff linksys wrt54g routers, and a netgear 614. im using debian unstable, everythig is apt-get updated. im using hte 'pump' command and am getting these errors and dont know why: Jun 1 18:05:48 localhost dhclient: receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down , |
| 23:03.29 | fusQuanto | Jun 1 18:04:48 localhost pumpd[6042]: failed to renew lease for device eth0 |
| 23:03.34 | mo1991 | jethro sorry - I'm just used to fedora that has several super easy programs |
| 23:03.42 | mo1991 | I'm not a complete noobe |
| 23:03.45 | FieldySnuts | @fuck fedora |
| 23:03.51 | jethro | mo1991: why are you running unstable then? |
| 23:03.55 | mo1991 | just pissed at this old ass laptop right now |
| 23:04.02 | jethro | !d-i mo1991 |
| 23:04.02 | dpkg | mo1991, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:04.22 | shingouz | !tell mo1991 about laptop |
| 23:04.26 | shingouz | mo1991: and do not run sid on the thing unless you really know what you do |
| 23:04.49 | jethro | shingouz: I d say "as long as your a complete noobe" to use his own words |
| 23:04.55 | ribnitz | mo1991: Sid is for masochists. |
| 23:04.57 | ethics | hoopy what driver are you probing? |
| 23:04.59 | RichiH | mo1991: i agree, you should start with testing |
| 23:05.11 | shingouz | jethro: i was trying to be diplomatic, believe it or not :) |
| 23:05.12 | RichiH | ribnitz: pft, i have been running sid for years |
| 23:05.21 | doub | ribnitz: what's being potent? and anyway, maybe that stone might as well be an illusion of your senses, on the which god can't do much ;) |
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| 23:05.26 | mo1991 | does testing having fairly recent apps? Stable version I couldn't even move the x term around |
| 23:05.26 | jethro | shingouz: :) |
| 23:05.31 | shingouz | RichiH: doesnt that prove something |
| 23:05.34 | doub | ribnitz: (just kidding) |
| 23:05.41 | stew | x term? |
| 23:05.45 | RichiH | shingouz: not really, no :) |
| 23:05.50 | shingouz | mo1991: the xterm moves nicely on stable too |
| 23:05.59 | shingouz | RichiH: sid here too... |
| 23:06.02 | K_Dallas | how many bugs left? (it was down to 12 i guess ;) darn i am impatient |
| 23:06.07 | RichiH | shingouz: :) |
| 23:06.20 | RichiH | K_Dallas: last time i looked it as around 50 |
| 23:06.22 | ribnitz | doub: I know. but that example I gave was used to (logically correctly) disprove the existence of an omnipotent god. |
| 23:06.24 | shingouz | K_Dallas: just install it :) |
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| 23:06.37 | xsdg | dpkg: pool? |
| 23:06.38 | dpkg | i heard pool is http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-project-9910/msg00052.html or http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-pools |
| 23:06.39 | K_Dallas | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo kidding? |
| 23:06.45 | shingouz | nooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 23:06.49 | RichiH | !ep |
| 23:06.49 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:07.10 | K_Dallas | RichiH, /. said it was 50 left, someone here said it was down to 20 and i think later down to 12 |
| 23:07.12 | xsdg | dpkg: sarge pool? |
| 23:07.12 | dpkg | i heard sarge pool is Come and bet on when Sarge will be released. Ask me about "listkeys sarge pool" to find all of the bets, and "sarge bet" to find out how to bet. ! bloom=2005-01-31 |
| 23:07.28 | mo1991 | shingouz - when I d'l only packages from stable - synatpic looks all old - xterm didn't move - the apps were all very old versions - Can I run a stable debian verison and just update gnome and the apps to testing or unstable ??? Sorry I'm new to Debian - A fedora/redhat convert |
| 23:07.28 | fusQuanto | im having probs with my lan... ive used 2 diff linksys wrt54g routers, and a netgear 614. im using debian unstable, everythig is apt-get updated. im using hte 'pump' command and am getting these errors and dont know why: Jun 1 18:05:48 localhost dhclient: receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down , Jun 1 18:04:48 localhost pumpd[6042]: failed to renew lease for device eth0 |
| 23:07.35 | RichiH | K_Dallas: hmm, it has been a day or two i thinl |
| 23:07.49 | RichiH | K_Dallas: best guess is to just look onto the bug site yourself :) |
| 23:07.53 | jethro | mo1991: just install sarge |
| 23:08.01 | K_Dallas | only if i knew there was one :) |
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| 23:08.04 | jethro | mo1991: which, at the moment, is almost the same as unstable |
| 23:08.07 | shingouz | mo1991: jsut install sarge |
| 23:08.19 | doub | ribnitz: that's not logically correct, btw: if god is omnipotent, by definition, he *can* lift the stone |
| 23:08.32 | RichiH | mo1991: the order is stable=woody, testing=sarge, unstable=sid |
| 23:08.38 | RichiH | mo1991: you should be using testing |
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| 23:08.51 | RichiH | mo1991: testing has everything that is new |
| 23:08.55 | xsdg | <dpkg> hmm... sarge pool 5 is !Rydekull=2005-06-07 |
| 23:08.57 | xsdg | impressive |
| 23:09.11 | RichiH | stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;) |
| 23:09.18 | shingouz | heh |
| 23:09.27 | ribnitz | doub: In which case he would not be able to create a stone he could not lift. hence no omnipotence |
| 23:09.31 | RichiH | xsdg: when was it added? |
| 23:09.45 | xsdg | RichiH: I'll double-check |
| 23:10.16 | KungFu | copy to my external hdd - 800KB/s is that slow? |
| 23:10.23 | xsdg | <dpkg> sarge pool 5 -- last modified at Fri Apr 1 21:26:37 2005 by chealer |
| 23:10.25 | doub | ribnitz: it depends if you consider god just as a unix root or a windows administrator ;) |
| 23:10.27 | xsdg | RichiH: ^^^ |
| 23:10.46 | mo1991 | OK - testing version it is then - The only reason I used UNSTable was that I did a FInalScratch port over to debain and it uses alsa on the 2.4.20 kernel so needed unstable for my other laptop - haven't tried testing yet - and stable apps just seemed to old |
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| 23:11.38 | shingouz | mo1991: 2.6 is on testing, has been there forever |
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| 23:11.48 | Spundun | hi all.. |
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| 23:12.08 | Spundun | is there any plan to make firefox on sarge build with pango enabled? |
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| 23:12.24 | xophEr | What do I need to keep in mind when copying my current installation over to another harddrive ? |
| 23:12.37 | mo1991 | ya - Finalscratch required a 2.4 kernel to run properly with also - or at least that was as close as the original native insturments software came as - they shipped with kernel 2.4.20 |
| 23:12.41 | shingouz | !tell xophEr about cp hd to hd |
| 23:12.49 | xophEr | thanks |
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| 23:12.54 | shingouz | np |
| 23:13.10 | shingouz | xophEr: personally i like the rsync method |
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| 23:13.34 | xophEr | ok, Ill look into it. |
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| 23:14.07 | rixth | Is there anyway to synchronize two directories (make them with the extact same contents) kinfa like rsync |
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| 23:14.12 | rixth | Kinda* |
| 23:14.17 | paulswm | doub: And I had just finished typing a message about the fallacy of trying to apply rules which exist within this universe to an extra-universal being :( |
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| 23:14.38 | shingouz | rixth: rsync? |
| 23:14.48 | Blissex|phone | on the internet, nobody knows you dont exist :-) |
| 23:15.07 | rixth | shingouz, can rsync be used on local filesystems? |
| 23:15.20 | bbmj | anyone had any problems with jfs and the 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:15.28 | rixth | (Or did you not know what it is?) |
| 23:15.29 | doub | paulswm: at least the christian god was once part of the universe. well, what we call universe nowadays |
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| 23:15.40 | K_Dallas | MS people are doing such an undertaking job on their next Windows: |
| 23:15.41 | K_Dallas | "Microsoft has decided to drop the "my" prefixes for Longhorn. Instead of "My Computer," it will be just just plain simple "Computer". " |
| 23:15.43 | shingouz | rixth: i do not see a problem with that. man rsync. /me has not tried to run it locally though |
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| 23:15.56 | rixth | I'll give it a go |
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| 23:16.18 | paulswm | doub: not wholly inside the universe, though :) |
| 23:16.26 | NOthsouth | hello, i'm on debian sarge 2.6, trying to use crontab, when I type : crontab -e , i putthe line: 0 20 * * * oracle /home/oracle/bak.sh |
| 23:16.34 | mhall | What is the C system call to check whether some file descriptor is attached to a terminal or not? |
| 23:16.53 | NOthsouth | and that is suppouse to run the bak.sh shell scrip at 20:00h but nothing happpend |
| 23:17.07 | xophEr | shingouz, when copying it over, will there be any issues I should know about? something I need to reconfigure etc. |
| 23:17.11 | rixth | rsync -av /src/foo/ /dest/foo << There we go :) |
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| 23:17.53 | shingouz | xophEr: just check the fstab and bootloader, make the new system bootable in a chroot jail or you will screw it up |
| 23:17.54 | noDLL | hi we are evaluating the posibillity of include linux with brand new PCs and want to see how easy would be to use Debian for a whole n00b person? |
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| 23:18.39 | Funzo | •noDLL• you might want to consider ubuntu or kubuntu |
| 23:18.39 | Celiun | hi again |
| 23:18.42 | paulswm | mhall: you don;t have the GNU C Library reference manual installed? If is an excellent piece of work. I think you're looking for isatty |
| 23:18.44 | Funzo | debian requires some effort |
| 23:18.44 | doub | paulswm: isn't 'above the sky' part of the universe? |
| 23:18.47 | bucky | noDLL, it easy once you get it set up |
| 23:19.11 | Funzo | yeah... but then if it is for Noobs then you want it to auto start the gui |
| 23:19.18 | paulswm | doub: well that's difficult to say, after all, the sky is the rest of the universe really |
| 23:19.22 | K_Dallas | noDLL : newbie as someone who has no experience with PCs or someone who uses Windows? |
| 23:19.23 | noDLL | well it would be installed by experienced ppl |
| 23:19.39 | bucky | noDLL, but debian doesn't set up java or flash or wmv for your browser by itself and that throws a lot of people |
| 23:19.42 | doub | !confuse me |
| 23:19.43 | dpkg | Yes, them is our ferret yesterday, doub? breeches of the democracy of belarus with extra ham |
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| 23:20.33 | plasma | how can I change the permissions on a file to allow for read and write? (i know it's chmod, but I do not know the options for it) |
| 23:20.33 | doub | paulswm: just to save you the hassle |
| 23:20.33 | shingouz | noDLL: just go debian and configure it so that a noob can use it. use lots of blingbling and point-and-drool elements and you shoudl be well off. the install is the hardest part |
| 23:20.33 | sTone_heAd | noDLL, if its already set use will use applications (desktop environment) thus focus on teaching them only |
| 23:20.37 | mhall | paulswm: yeah, i am, i found it by googling into the manual |
| 23:20.47 | bucky | noDLL, your question would be more like how well do people adapt to KDE or Gnome after using windows |
| 23:20.48 | mhall | paulswm: my problem at first was knowing the keyword i needed |
| 23:20.56 | eranj | how do I check kernel version? |
| 23:21.02 | mhall | paulswm: then figuring out it needed STDERR_FILENO instead of just stderr |
| 23:21.04 | shingouz | uname -a |
| 23:21.05 | stew | eranj: uname -r |
| 23:21.06 | paulswm | mhall: Great! Pleased to help, actually :) |
| 23:21.06 | rixth | eranj, uname -r |
| 23:21.07 | Xnix | can I set xdm to automatically log in as a certain user, or do I have to use gdm/kdm for this? |
| 23:21.11 | K_Dallas | what they mean is to make it a rather nice Debian for your clients and let teach them the basics, i hope they know how windows works |
| 23:21.16 | noDLL | the stronger point of eval we are using is for the more intuitive distro i mean, the less commands one user have to type the better |
| 23:21.20 | mhall | paulswm: i just could not see what to google at first |
| 23:21.26 | rixth | plasma, 755 is a good one, try chmod 755 *file* |
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| 23:21.31 | noDLL | at the install there is no matter |
| 23:21.41 | bucky | linux is linux |
| 23:21.44 | noDLL | but at the diary using it would |
| 23:21.44 | paulswm | doub: A subject which has largely baffled a lot of very clever people for thousands of years :) |
| 23:21.44 | rixth | plasma, it depends what the file is |
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| 23:21.56 | morfeo | hi |
| 23:22.07 | K_Dallas | heya morfeo |
| 23:22.08 | morfeo | how to create a /dev/video ?? |
| 23:22.11 | plasma | rixth: thanks alot (it's just a text file) |
| 23:22.29 | Celiun | quick question: I just finished installing debian, sarge version though netinstall and I've gotten xserver and gnome, been trying to start up X but without luck, says the command isn't recognized. When I installed it, it asked if it should detect my graphics card and I answered yes only to find out that xserver apparently dosen't support my card, my graphics card is a nVidia GeForce FX 5900 XT AGP |
| 23:22.33 | K_Dallas | morfeo, i would very much like to know that too ;) my previous attempts were all unsuccessful |
| 23:22.35 | rixth | plasma, or, you can just right click on the file, go properties then the permissions tab |
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| 23:23.06 | Celiun | oh yeah, the command I use to try and start x is startx |
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| 23:23.09 | plasma | rixth: what is the number to make it unwriteable |
| 23:23.16 | morfeo | K_Dallas : X_x |
| 23:23.19 | stew | morfeo: mknod /dev/video c 81 0 |
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| 23:23.23 | plasma | rixth: I wish i could do that, but I can't login as root :P |
| 23:23.36 | abrotman | !eggs tarzeau |
| 23:23.36 | dpkg | ops, please ban tarzeau |
| 23:23.43 | doub | paulswm: clever doesn't mean well behaving or sensible, see hitler |
| 23:24.16 | K_Dallas | stew: i tried running MAKEDEV and it said it had created video0 but i couldnt see any! |
| 23:24.20 | doub | paulswm: or bill gates, for a more on topic subject |
| 23:24.23 | noDLL | for example, using Suse at a cert course was confortable, and very few commands to type (just the needed for the cert) |
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| 23:24.27 | morfeo | stew :thank |
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| 23:24.40 | rixth | plasma, try this, http://wsabstract.com/script/script2/chmodcal.shtml |
| 23:24.40 | noDLL | but we want to choose the best for a general use |
| 23:24.41 | paulswm | doub: Sure, I was talking about philosophers and other thinkers |
| 23:24.42 | M4hd1 | hi, what frontend for gnome do you guys use to burn dvdS? |
| 23:24.48 | noDLL | like a home PC |
| 23:24.52 | plasma | rixth: thanks a lot |
| 23:24.55 | K_Dallas | noDLL: Ubuntu might be a good alternative |
| 23:24.58 | Celiun | M4hd1: k3b |
| 23:25.12 | tarzeau | LOL |
| 23:25.16 | toonX | hey guys, how can i install mplayer on sarge ? because apt doesn't find anything in sarge repositories ? |
| 23:25.19 | stew | K_Dallas: yeah, i had the same thing |
| 23:25.20 | noDLL | we will try it :) |
| 23:25.23 | tarzeau | abrotman is a #bub-n-bros addict! |
| 23:25.28 | paulswm | doub: I disagree about Gates, I think he's a decent human being, although that'll probably get me flamed in here :) |
| 23:25.39 | ethics | !tell toonX about marillat |
| 23:25.49 | K_Dallas | stew: i had that command but never dared to run, so it is safe, i am going to do it |
| 23:25.50 | morfeo | can't open /dev/video0: No such device |
| 23:25.51 | paulswm | Anyone who's a friend of Warren Buffet can't be all bad |
| 23:25.52 | M4hd1 | Celiun, k3b is for kde =/ |
| 23:25.52 | takatumi | paulswm: you think so? |
| 23:26.05 | Celiun | Bill Gates was a genious, or he wouldn't have made as much money as he did |
| 23:26.08 | stew | K_Dallas: yeah, its definately safe |
| 23:26.11 | toonX | ethics thanks |
| 23:26.13 | morfeo | i make a ln -s /dev/video /dev/video0 |
| 23:26.16 | paulswm | takatumi: about what? Gates, or flaming? |
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| 23:26.22 | Celiun | M4hd1: Oh, right, sorry |
| 23:26.23 | takatumi | paulswm: Gates. |
| 23:26.26 | morfeo | but nothing |
| 23:26.32 | M4hd1 | Celiun, tkz anyway :) |
| 23:26.35 | morfeo | i try to configure my webcam |
| 23:26.38 | stew | morfeo: yeah you should probably mknod /dev/video0 and ln -s /dev/video0 /dev/video |
| 23:26.40 | paulswm | Celiun: Not a genius, just in the right place at the right time with good business sense. |
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| 23:26.51 | xsdg | morfeo: that's not a "file doesn't exist" error; it's likely that the driver you need isn't loaded |
| 23:26.52 | paulswm | takatumi: SUre, I think that. |
| 23:26.55 | doub | paulswm: well, decency is a social value. it depends if you agree fully or not with this society |
| 23:27.13 | Celiun | paulswm: Well, must have had some brains for him to figure out to take the chance :p |
| 23:27.22 | shingouz | morfeo: do you have the proper driver module loaded, that is always step one |
| 23:27.26 | paulswm | doub: There are absolutes, in other words, values which are held across all societies |
| 23:27.34 | doub | paulswm: being open minded isn't, on the othe side |
| 23:27.38 | ethics | morfeo: what tuner you using? |
| 23:27.40 | xsdg | paulswm: very few, I'd think |
| 23:27.45 | paulswm | Celiun: Sure, but it's not like he's Einstein |
| 23:27.55 | eranj | How do I resize open window in ARK? |
| 23:28.01 | doub | paulswm: yes, that's what i'm about |
| 23:28.01 | xsdg | paulswm: what absolutes are there, actually? |
| 23:28.13 | morfeo | i use the module-assistant to install the module |
| 23:28.36 | shingouz | morfeo: lsmod |
| 23:28.49 | Celiun | paulswm: genious dosen't always mean highly intelligent :p |
| 23:28.51 | paulswm | xsdg: murder, cowardice, theft for three. |
| 23:28.56 | morfeo | but i try lsmod |grep quickcam and return nothing |
| 23:29.05 | paulswm | Celiun: the word is 'genius' :) |
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| 23:29.11 | stew | morfeo: did you try modprobe quickcam? |
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| 23:29.39 | morfeo | qc-usb QuickCam Express kernel module |
| 23:30.26 | shingouz | morfeo: if the modules name is qc-usb there is no way in hell grepping for quickam will find it |
| 23:30.30 | morfeo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.32 | Celiun | paulswm: Never said I was one either |
| 23:30.43 | doub | paulswm: enjoyment, sex, and partying are too, for three |
| 23:30.48 | xsdg | paulswm: those are nouns, not values, and I think you're considering "society" a bit too broadly (there are subcultures in any "society" which may or may not agree with what might be concidered societal normal opinions) |
| 23:30.51 | ethics | morfeo depmod -a? |
| 23:30.52 | paulswm | Celiun: Heh, thats *very* good :) |
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| 23:31.03 | eranj | alt+shift won't change languages like configured. how do I fix it? |
| 23:31.04 | takatumi | morfeo: try modconf so you don't need to second guess your module name. |
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| 23:31.26 | paulswm | xsdg: *shrug* |
| 23:31.36 | Celiun | well, the getting beaten down with a stick part of saying Bill Gates was great seems just about right |
| 23:32.12 | morfeo | takatumi : how to do it ? |
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| 23:32.24 | paulswm | Celiun: No shit, I told you, there are religious zealots in here :) |
| 23:32.33 | paulswm | bye |
| 23:32.35 | mo1991 | Can someone tell me how to turn off the system beep? |
| 23:32.42 | morfeo | sorry apt-get install modconf |
| 23:32.49 | Celiun | It's linux, there'll always be zealots |
| 23:32.52 | xsdg | paulswm: adieu |
| 23:32.54 | stew | eranj: Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle" |
| 23:33.00 | doub | xsdg: maybe arent they values but life leading ideas |
| 23:33.02 | paulswm | xsdg: Stay safe :) |
| 23:33.05 | Celiun | just proves my point that linux is a religion |
| 23:33.13 | shingouz | Celiun: zealots do not use windows or mac os then? :) |
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| 23:33.23 | xsdg | Celiun: hey! careful with the "p" word -- there are mathematicians in here |
| 23:33.31 | doub | paulswm: good night |
| 23:33.41 | paulswm | doub: See ya buddy |
| 23:33.42 | Celiun | shingouz: didn't say there weren't :p |
| 23:33.44 | mo1991 | never mind |
| 23:33.45 | Draconicus | I'm having difficulty figuring out gamecon.c (or in my case gamecon.o, apparently). I have a SNES controller wired up and ready to go. What do I do? |
| 23:33.49 | toonX | ethics what will i choose, mplayer-386 or mplayer-586 ? i have an amd64 K8 |
| 23:33.59 | eranj | this option thing isn't a command.right? |
| 23:34.00 | xsdg | doub: well; I was disagreeing with paulswm's point that there are absolutes |
| 23:34.10 | stew | eranj: you have multiple XkbLayout, like Options "XkbLayout" "us,fr" |
| 23:34.15 | stew | eranj: in XF86Config-4 |
| 23:34.23 | Draconicus | toonX: What kind of architecture do you have? What's your processor? |
| 23:34.29 | Draconicus | Oh.. |
| 23:34.31 | Draconicus | Um.. |
| 23:34.34 | Draconicus | nevermind. |
| 23:34.35 | Draconicus | <., |
| 23:34.39 | xsdg | toonX: I'm running mplayer-k7 |
| 23:34.39 | ethics | toonX id ask debian-amd64 mplayer is optimized for each processor... |
| 23:34.41 | stew | eranj: but if you edit that by hand read /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 23:34.46 | doub | xsdg: i agree that 'value' is of course dependent on the moment in time. but murder, for example, or sex, on another point of view, is absolute. well, anything related to our animal origins is absolute |
| 23:34.47 | plugwash | toonX the i586 will probablly be a bit faster than the i386 one |
| 23:34.58 | toonX | plugwash sound resonable |
| 23:35.04 | ethics | toonx if theres a k7 use that |
| 23:35.05 | plugwash | but amd chips aren't known for being too fussy about theese things |
| 23:35.07 | eranj | i've edited xf86configure (or something like that) |
| 23:35.07 | Draconicus | I'm guessing nobody here has experience with gamecon.c... |
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| 23:35.17 | eranj | haven't touched the xf86config-4 |
| 23:35.19 | xsdg | doub: "murder"? genocide happens because people are doing the _right_ thing |
| 23:35.21 | shingouz | toonX: with that cpu you do not reallly need to stress over the mplayer version |
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| 23:35.29 | plugwash | unlike some of the intel chips which need things optimised just right for good speed |
| 23:35.36 | toonX | ethics there is not , ill just go for the 586 |
| 23:35.45 | toonX | shingouz i hope not ;) |
| 23:35.51 | xsdg | toonX: oops; mplayer-k6 |
| 23:36.01 | abrotman | that's not right |
| 23:36.02 | shingouz | toonX: you have more than ehough power there to play pretty much anything |
| 23:36.03 | abrotman | not for k8 |
| 23:36.05 | doub | xsdg: yes, but murder, as in 'taking away someone's life without him agreeing', is also seen in animals |
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| 23:36.10 | xsdg | toonX: you're running a K8; you should use k6 as opposed to one of the intel ones |
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| 23:36.17 | doub | xsdg: and thus absolute, as we are animals, too |
| 23:36.20 | ethics | plugwash there are some advantageds on the encoding side with memcoder ...dont know whats helped on mplayer....the codecs dont have cpu versions tho so its gotta be something in the player |
| 23:36.23 | Draconicus | gamecon.c? |
| 23:36.25 | toonX | xsdg even more resonable |
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| 23:36.29 | abrotman | xsdg: aw hell no |
| 23:36.36 | abrotman | k6 is horrible :) |
| 23:36.39 | Tiberio | hi, I get the error IOError: Couldn't resolve pubid ["-//SGMLtools//DOCUMENT Docbook Style Sheet for HTML//EN"] |
| 23:36.48 | paulswm | xsdg: Dammit, I have to give you one example before I leave :) Cultures have different views on marriage and numbers of wives or concubines, but no culture espouses the view that anyone can have anybody at any time. |
| 23:36.48 | xsdg | abrotman: which would you suggest? (and why?) |
| 23:36.56 | abrotman | xsdg: -k8 :) |
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| 23:37.10 | xsdg | paulswm: you apparently haven't been to certain dorms at MIT :o) |
| 23:37.13 | paulswm | xsdg: Now *really* bye bye :P |
| 23:37.19 | Tiberio | when I execute de command : sgmltools -b html newfile1.sgml |
| 23:37.20 | xsdg | paulswm: adieu :o) |
| 23:37.21 | hooopy | i live in an apartment complex that has many wireless routers, i want the computer to connect to mine but i do not broadcast my ESSID and it auto connects to somebody else's, how do i make it connect to a certain ESSID |
| 23:37.24 | toonX | xsdg maybe ill get some extra features :) |
| 23:37.25 | xsdg | abrotman: I don't see that |
| 23:37.29 | ethics | paulswm: there was in older times tho.....cultures just matured.. |
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| 23:37.44 | abrotman | xsdg: honestly .. if it's not for my CPU .. i'd go 386 |
| 23:37.49 | xsdg | abrotman: I only see -k6 and -k7, which is a transition package to -k6 |
| 23:38.17 | abrotman | to k6? |
| 23:38.18 | xsdg | abrotman: only thing is that -i386 may not have support for newer extensions (just a guess) |
| 23:38.20 | abrotman | you mean to k8? |
| 23:38.24 | xsdg | abrotman: yup; -k6 |
| 23:38.29 | xsdg | abrotman: apt-cache show mplayer-k7 |
| 23:38.36 | abrotman | how was k6 and k7 a transition to k6 ? |
| 23:38.54 | abrotman | oh .. transition package |
| 23:38.55 | xsdg | abrotman: ::shrug:: ask marillat? |
| 23:38.55 | abrotman | sorry |
| 23:39.02 | abrotman | i thought oyu meant the architecture :) |
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| 23:39.18 | xsdg | heh |
| 23:39.24 | emiliano | how many days, weeks, to DL the debian dvd .iso image file. dsl 640 ? |
| 23:39.35 | abrotman | emiliano: do the math |
| 23:39.43 | xsdg | dvd? iso? aren't dvd's UDFs? |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | emiliano: how many GB ? |
| 23:39.48 | abrotman | how fast is your internet |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | about .. 75kbps ? |
| 23:40.06 | FieldySnuts | 640kbps down |
| 23:40.13 | xsdg | (yes, I am nitpicking) |
| 23:40.18 | FieldySnuts | note that's not KB |
| 23:40.19 | ethics | morpheo : the driver name is actually quickcam ...the tar was qc-usb.. modprobe quickcam does what? |
| 23:40.23 | emiliano | don't know |
| 23:40.41 | morfeo | now the module is installed but i get the following error with v4l-conf: can't open /dev/video0: No such device |
| 23:40.47 | abrotman | if i had to guess .. 24hours |
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| 23:41.00 | xsdg | morfeo: is there anything useful in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 23:41.08 | xsdg | (please don't paste anything in here) |
| 23:41.08 | ethics | morfeo.....does quickcam show up in lsmod? |
| 23:41.44 | stew | emiliano: http://www.google.com/search?&q=4.7%20gigabytes%20%2F%20(640%20kilobytes%2Fsecond) |
| 23:41.46 | morfeo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.09 | morfeo | ethics: c_qcam |
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| 23:42.25 | ethics | and have you got v4l support ? |
| 23:42.49 | ethics | morpheo is videodev in lsmod also? |
| 23:43.00 | morfeo | yes |
| 23:43.18 | emiliano | 120 hours? |
| 23:43.19 | ethics | and what happens in gcam/xawtv? |
| 23:43.32 | takatumi | emiliano: why do you need the DVD? |
| 23:43.37 | mith | is there a way to have .k5login type behaviour without having to specify every single principle, or to have it centrally located? |
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| 23:43.43 | NOthsouth | hello, i'm on debian sarge 2.6, trying to use crontab, when I type : crontab -e , i putthe line: 0 20 * * * oracle /home/oracle/bak.sh |
| 23:43.47 | morfeo | the problem is with can't open /dev/video0: No such device |
| 23:43.58 | mith | like, I want to use */noc@REALM in .k5login but it doesn't appear to work |
| 23:44.07 | ethics | try /dev/video/ |
| 23:44.21 | Xinux | BRB (restarting x-chat) |
| 23:44.22 | morfeo | sorry this is the problem with xawtv: can't open /dev/video0: No such device |
| 23:45.01 | p8m_ | morfeo: permissions? |
| 23:45.01 | emiliano | don't know. are CDs better? |
| 23:45.14 | morfeo | i am a root |
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| 23:45.28 | Guerin | it doesn't say permission denied |
| 23:45.28 | ethics | p8m_ video0 is symlinked form video...im working my way backwards atm hehe |
| 23:45.31 | xsdg | NOthsouth: you don't put the username in user crontabs |
| 23:45.33 | Guerin | it says no such device |
| 23:45.38 | xsdg | NOthsouth: only in /etc/crontab |
| 23:45.41 | morfeo | but i create a /dev/video0 with mknod /dev/video |
| 23:45.43 | eranj | alt+shift still won't work. configured in both xf86config-4 and xf86config.what should I do? |
| 23:45.46 | Guerin | meaning, of course, that you don't have a camera plugged in and the module loaded |
| 23:45.49 | xsdg | (basically, s#oracle## and you should be straight |
| 23:46.00 | NOthsouth | xsdg, i already try without username |
| 23:46.07 | ethics | morfeo did /dev/video give error too? |
| 23:46.08 | NOthsouth | but do not work too |
| 23:46.09 | xsdg | NOthsouth: hrm; what happens? |
| 23:46.13 | NOthsouth | nothing |
| 23:46.23 | takatumi | emiliano: all you need is a 30MB or 110MB net installer, install the rest via the network. |
| 23:46.30 | NOthsouth | the script works |
| 23:46.37 | morfeo | i use the gqcam and i get the image |
| 23:46.41 | tarzeau | ahhhhh my fingers |
| 23:46.50 | xsdg | NOthsouth: are you depending on relative paths working? $PATH is usually very minimal |
| 23:46.54 | tarzeau | 3 hours http://bub-n-bros.sf.net is too much |
| 23:47.02 | ethics | morfeo delete /dev/video0 and relink it ln -s etc |
| 23:47.02 | takatumi | tarzeau: I need a new lappy to play. |
| 23:47.09 | NOthsouth | no |
| 23:47.13 | emiliano | i'll try |
| 23:47.13 | tarzeau | takatumi: i need sleep (2 am) |
| 23:47.16 | NOthsouth | what do you mean?, |
| 23:47.32 | takatumi | tarzeau: 2:47 am here. :P |
| 23:47.42 | NOthsouth | i'm not using any path |
| 23:47.43 | tarzeau | takatumi: 1:47 am here |
| 23:47.59 | NOthsouth | are you guys from japan? |
| 23:48.01 | emiliano | 1:47 too |
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| 23:48.15 | takatumi | NOthsouth: no, I'm in Kuwait. |
| 23:48.15 | Guerin | 0846 |
| 23:48.23 | Guerin | maybe my clock needs resyncing |
| 23:48.25 | morfeo | ethics : ok |
| 23:48.28 | deadcat | i am in japan |
| 23:48.33 | resiak | I am in Japan. |
| 23:48.34 | NOthsouth | uahuaah |
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| 23:48.41 | eranj | I'm in Israel |
| 23:48.42 | NOthsouth | cool |
| 23:48.45 | Guerin | you lie! |
| 23:48.45 | ethics | morfeo, xawtv -c /dev/video0 ? |
| 23:48.52 | resiak | I speak true! |
| 23:49.03 | abrotman | resiak: you are in hell! |
| 23:49.06 | NOthsouth | auhahua |
| 23:49.09 | NOthsouth | what town? |
| 23:49.13 | morfeo | ethics : yes!! |
| 23:49.19 | morfeo | now i get the image |
| 23:49.23 | resiak | abrotman: Oh, bollocks, you're right. |
| 23:49.26 | tarzeau | i like hentai. |
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| 23:49.31 | takatumi | !win morfeo |
| 23:49.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, morfeo! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 23:49.35 | ethics | morfeo: link was made with driver not loaded i think and it screwed it up.....8) |
| 23:49.43 | resiak | I like gerbils. |
| 23:49.44 | morfeo | ah |
| 23:49.45 | morfeo | ok |
| 23:49.51 | morfeo | thank's |
| 23:49.59 | morfeo | now work's fine XD |
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| 23:50.10 | ethics | morfeo: make sure the module name for quickcam is in /etc/modules if you dont unplug much |
| 23:50.38 | ethics | morfeo or you could put it in hotplug scripts if you wanted...or you can probe it as needed.....all works |
| 23:50.39 | phogg | TwistedLappy: I have a stack of ~80 of them |
| 23:50.39 | takatumi | morfeo: or if you loaded it with modconf, it should be already there. |
| 23:51.02 | TwistedLappy | phogg: ship it over.. |
| 23:51.13 | morfeo | ok |
| 23:51.23 | ethics | morfeo, yeah modconf works too.....i dont tend to use it but thats only because i don't need much more than i had on install |
| 23:51.40 | jasoncohen | are there any gui tools to setup wireless? |
| 23:51.44 | phogg | TwistedLappy: would do, but I'm too lazy. |
| 23:51.54 | ethics | jasoncohen um iwconfig? |
| 23:52.05 | TwistedLappy | Anyone ever notice how all hackers seem to perfer to use AOL? I think it's the built in virus scanner and firewall. |
| 23:52.05 | ethics | jason i think thats the name of it... |
| 23:52.08 | takatumi | that ain't gui |
| 23:52.08 | phogg | TwistedLappy: but if you get one working, I'd take a set of blueprints |
| 23:52.19 | morfeo | thank's to all, now a have a nice linux webcam :) |
| 23:52.26 | TwistedLappy | phogg: hahah will do ;) |
| 23:52.38 | takatumi | morfeo: write a how to and put in on the net. |
| 23:52.48 | jasoncohen | i setup my atheros card by hand using wpa_supplicant. isn't there an easier way if you're just using WEP? |
| 23:52.58 | morfeo | ok ;) |
| 23:53.17 | d03boy | jasoncohen, I just wrote myself a script to run the iwconfig commands |
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| 23:53.46 | stew | d03boy: you know you can put the iwconfig connands right in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:53.52 | mcmay | I think I have something really wrong with my apps cache. I keep getting "Depends: (foo) but it is not going to be installed" when (foo) _is_ installed. Any hints? |
| 23:54.02 | d03boy | stew, I visit multiple APs often though |
| 23:54.14 | d03boy | but no, i actually didnt know that |
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| 23:54.26 | takatumi | d03boy: man wireless |
| 23:54.33 | resiak | mcmay: dpkg -l foo |
| 23:54.33 | d03boy | k |
| 23:54.42 | TwistedLappy | mcmay: stop trying to install (foo) instead write the program name.. |
| 23:54.44 | resiak | mcmay: Is it actually installed? Does it start with ii? |
| 23:54.47 | jasoncohen | d03boy, with wpa_supplicant you have a config file with the key & SSID info, and then place the command in /etc/wpasupplicant/defaults and finally use pre-up to load wpasupplicant before bringing up ath0 |
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| 23:54.54 | TwistedLappy | mcmay: or do what reiak said.. |
| 23:55.02 | resiak | !tell TwistedLappy -about nicktab |
| 23:55.24 | mcmay | Most of the time, it's libxft1. |
| 23:55.25 | emiliano | i'm in winows: how can i stop jigdo dowloading ? (don't wont to damage any file) |
| 23:55.31 | stew | jasoncohen: if you just need to set wep key with iwconfig you can put "wireless_key blah" in /etc/network/interfaces in the section for your card |
| 23:55.43 | takatumi | d03boy: it's part of the wireless-tools package btw. |
| 23:55.45 | stew | jasoncohen: and "wireless_essid foo" |
| 23:56.00 | jasoncohen | ah, ok thanks |
| 23:56.09 | TwistedLappy | im eating, and thats to laptop shitting and typ\ing at the same time.. good reason to mis-spell shit |
| 23:56.15 | mcmay | dpkg -l libxft1 says: |
| 23:56.15 | mcmay | ii libxft1 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 FreeType-based font drawing library for X (v |
| 23:56.16 | dpkg | ii libxft1 says: 3.7-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 23:56.18 | TwistedLappy | *thanks |
| 23:56.36 | resiak | mcmay: /j #flood, paste the error message you're getting? |
| 23:57.47 | d03boy | ok |
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| 23:58.12 | Wyzard | emiliano: Ctrl-C should be safe |
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| 23:58.26 | emiliano | thanks |
| 23:58.39 | mortum | emiliano: spanish? |
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| 23:58.44 | mcmay | pasted an example error. |
| 23:58.45 | emiliano | italian |
| 23:58.49 | Wyzard | emiliano: It checks each file with md5sums, so if a file is incomplete, it'll notice and download it again when you restart it later |
| 23:58.57 | mortum | emiliano: ok |
| 23:59.05 | mcmay | I've tried one set of upgrades where dozens of them were "but it is not to be installed" |
| 23:59.17 | rixth | How can I find out what applications are accessing a partition? |
| 23:59.27 | resiak | mcmay: Did you install kurumin? |
| 23:59.37 | Wyzard | mcmay: If you "apt-get install" the package it says aren't going to be installed, it'll tell you more about why... usually it's due to an unavailable dependency or something |
| 23:59.54 | emiliano | where can i find "md5sums" ? |
