| 00:00.08 | pipeline | dae: Install Solaris and use dtrace? :P |
| 00:00.21 | asg | dae: #c would know |
| 00:00.29 | FieldySnuts | !tease Phated |
| 00:00.32 | FieldySnuts | :/ |
| 00:00.39 | FieldySnuts | what the heck is that last word? |
| 00:00.58 | dae | pipeline, Yeah, funny guy :-) |
| 00:01.01 | asg | FieldySnuts: rolling on floor laughing my ass of pissing in my pants |
| 00:01.12 | asg | s/of/off/ |
| 00:01.15 | dae | asg: Fair enough, thanks |
| 00:01.15 | FieldySnuts | crazy |
| 00:01.26 | asg | no doubt |
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| 00:01.37 | asg | dae: unless /usr/share/doc/libc6-prof/* has information |
| 00:01.55 | dae | asg: No, it doesn't really say much actually. |
| 00:02.06 | asg | dae: ah, okay. |
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| 00:05.56 | goron | What does the < > mean in: the somebinary < somefile > somethingElse? |
| 00:06.02 | balony | Can I use GPL lisenced software in a project that im going to sell? |
| 00:06.12 | caphuso | goron: read the REDIRECTION section in the bash docs |
| 00:06.13 | goron | !gpl |
| 00:06.13 | dpkg | i heard gpl is about freedom whereas the BSD license allows people to take that away, or at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html |
| 00:06.37 | balony | goron: just asking to be sure I dont misread anything. |
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| 00:07.01 | goron | balony: What's your interpretation? |
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| 00:07.42 | caphuso | balony: that depends on so many things you left out of your question that it's impossible to answer. consult a lawyer specialized in such things, he'll lead you through |
| 00:08.38 | goron | balony: If you have a multi-thousands/millions-dollar project do what caphuso says. |
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| 00:09.03 | goron | balony: Otherwise, tell us what you think. |
| 00:09.36 | caphuso | you can get your ass kicked with violating software licenses without having a multi-thousand/million dollar project too |
| 00:10.03 | petemc | and howw |
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| 00:11.29 | dondelelcaro | balony: the GPL doesn't restrict you from doing that, but you still have to comply with it of course. |
| 00:11.32 | doleyb | caphuso: i wish that happened more often. i hate that openzaurus.org has been a gpl violator for 4 years. |
| 00:11.46 | goron | caphuso: yes, but chances are minimal. |
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| 00:11.53 | streuner | :-) sure, but you get only money from money who have money... |
| 00:12.04 | streuner | s/money/people/ |
| 00:12.08 | balony | cool, thanks.. |
| 00:12.39 | dondelelcaro | of course, expecting to actually make money by merely selling GPLed software is foolhardy at best |
| 00:12.44 | shingouz | balony: in a nutshell, do not take gpl code and close it or you will be in deep do-do |
| 00:12.59 | goron | It seems the world doesn't care about GPL, since a lot of companies just steal code. |
| 00:13.16 | dondelelcaro | goron: that's completely not true |
| 00:13.43 | dondelelcaro | goron: Eben and other lawyers at the FSF spend quite a lot of time getting companies to come into compliance with the GPL |
| 00:14.02 | goron | dondelelcaro: Well, if you read drunkenblog, it seems there are a lot of companies not complying. |
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| 00:14.16 | dondelelcaro | goron: wtf is drunken blog? |
| 00:14.17 | goron | Sweex also doesn't comply. |
| 00:14.18 | FieldySnuts | now there's a source of reputable info. |
| 00:14.44 | goron | dondelelcaro: Google for it. |
| 00:14.48 | FieldySnuts | @lart goron |
| 00:14.54 | shingouz | goron: yea but sweex does not even support linux at all. everything they have is windows only |
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| 00:15.18 | goron | shingouz: Uh, one of their products uses a Linux kernel |
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| 00:15.32 | goron | shingouz: Since I bought a product, I should be given the source. |
| 00:15.55 | FieldySnuts | troll troll troll yer boat.. brbfood |
| 00:15.56 | goron | shingouz: Or would be given the possibility to get it. |
| 00:16.08 | ifahidalgo | alguem do brasil ai? |
| 00:16.12 | asg | !br |
| 00:16.12 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:16.14 | FieldySnuts | !irritate ifahidalgo |
| 00:16.15 | dpkg | ifahidalgo: wenas who uses sound ???/ |
| 00:16.20 | shingouz | goron: read the gpl. you shoudl have the possibility to access it but you should not be given it |
| 00:16.33 | goron | shingouz: That's what I said. |
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| 00:16.39 | dondelelcaro | goron: *shrug* random copyright holders who don't want to defend their copyright are not my concern |
| 00:16.45 | goron | goron> shingouz: Or would be given the possibility to get it. |
| 00:16.46 | ifahidalgo | algum brasileiro aqui? |
| 00:17.01 | asg | ifahidalgo: no, they are in #debian-br |
| 00:17.16 | ifahidalgo | #debian-br |
| 00:17.38 | shingouz | ifahidalgo: /join #debian-br |
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| 00:20.04 | r3m | Hi, i installed the x-window-system metapacket, now i would like to install gnome, what is the name of his metapacket? and i got xdm i need to change something? |
| 00:20.14 | asg | !install gnome |
| 00:20.14 | dpkg | from memory, install gnome is in woody: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sarge and sid: apt-get install gnome |
| 00:20.15 | benjamindees | goron, what product uses Linux? |
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| 00:20.37 | r3m | asg thanks, i need to add a line in the xdm config? |
| 00:20.48 | asg | r3m: no, to replace that with gdm, just apt-get install gdm |
| 00:20.58 | goron | benjamindees: I thought the Sweex 4ports broadband router. |
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| 00:22.03 | r3m | asg: ok thanks, and for my old laptop i would like to got a wm for slow pc, you got a choice and metapacket name please? |
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| 00:22.25 | doleyb | r3m: fvwm is ok |
| 00:22.29 | asg | r3m: I like fluxbox or fvwm (ion is a good choice but takes some getting used to.) |
| 00:22.50 | r3m | thanks, for fluxbox its apt-get install fluxbox? |
| 00:22.55 | asg | r3m: yes |
| 00:22.59 | r3m | thanks again ;) |
| 00:23.03 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 00:23.28 | anusaya | does debian's openoffice come with KDE icons? |
| 00:23.31 | goron | benjamindees: http://www.sweex.nl/product.asp?pid=302 |
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| 00:24.31 | r3m | oh asg, last thing, why some people still download a woody release when you can download sarge? where is the advantage, sarge is more recent... i dont understand |
| 00:24.56 | abydos | are there any more accurate OCR utilities than gocr? |
| 00:25.00 | streuner | anusaya: why? need some additional icons? |
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| 00:25.50 | asg | r3m: sarge is still not the stable release. For some with high security requirements, woody is a good way to go. |
| 00:26.19 | benjamindees | abydos, yes |
| 00:26.20 | r3m | asg: ok and why ALL ftp mirror have loose their sarge directory? |
| 00:26.29 | r3m | i just saw the 3.0.r5 |
| 00:26.36 | goron | benjamindees: Here a product that use GPL code, but do not comply: http://www.busybox.net/shame.html |
| 00:26.42 | yomguymob_ | hi ! does anybody know why my sudo doesn't ask me any password anymore since few weeks ?... I can't understand that sudo privileges could be always attributed to me without any key, on debian unstable. thx if you know the bug/trick ! |
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| 00:27.08 | asg | r3m: each mirror is free to choose what they want to mirror, iirc. Some might only mirror woody, some all, etc. |
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| 00:27.26 | anusaya | streuner: I've used openoffice-ximian on another distro that was patched. All toolbar icons were KDE ones instead of the standard ones. Just wondering if debian did something similar. |
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| 00:27.30 | r3m | ok |
| 00:27.34 | asg | r3m: also, since woody will continue to be supported for a period of time after sarge is stable, some people still are comfortable with it. |
| 00:27.42 | goron | yomguymob_: there's a variable in the sudo conf file. Maybe you disabled it? |
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| 00:28.01 | acid-trip | how do i delete an uninstalled package? |
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| 00:28.04 | r3m | asg what will be the next Toy story name? |
| 00:28.08 | asg | r3m: etch |
| 00:28.12 | r3m | ok |
| 00:28.13 | asg | acid-trip: dpkg -P |
| 00:28.19 | benjamindees | abydos, clara |
| 00:28.25 | hggh | i have installed an sarge php4-pgsql and php4 and apache2 but phpinfo() say nothing about pgsql and my pgsql script don't work. what's the problem? |
| 00:28.34 | asg | acid-trip: of you mean the downloaded deb, apt-get clean |
| 00:28.40 | r3m | asg, sid is a special debian flavour? |
| 00:28.40 | goron | asg: That name stinks :( |
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| 00:28.48 | yomguymob_ | goron: all i have uncommented in my soudoers file is root's right and mine (2 lines) |
| 00:28.49 | acid-trip | asg: i was using apt-get and there is a broken installation that wouldn't finish even with -f |
| 00:28.51 | asg | r3m: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 00:29.06 | streuner | anusaya: good question, try #debian-oo |
| 00:29.09 | asg | goron: it's only a name, the software and infrastructure are all that matter. |
| 00:29.20 | anusaya | streuner: will do, thanks. |
| 00:29.23 | goron | asg: Yes, I know, it was semi-joke. |
| 00:29.35 | asg | goron: personally, I wish we had release songs like OpenBSD |
| 00:29.55 | goron | asg: I actually heard that song :D |
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| 00:30.12 | goron | asg: The Wizard of OS, I though? |
| 00:30.16 | asg | acid-trip: that can be a little trick. Find the error and fix it (usually by fiddling with the problem script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.*) |
| 00:30.21 | asg | goron: yes |
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| 00:30.33 | goron | asg: Do you also run a BSD? |
| 00:30.48 | asg | goron: I have a few OpenBSD boxes |
| 00:31.00 | poonj | freebsd no good? |
| 00:31.07 | poonj | does myth run on BSD boxes? |
| 00:31.10 | acid-trip | thanks |
| 00:31.14 | goron | asg: For servers? Colocated stuff? |
| 00:31.18 | acid-trip | can i delete that dir and start over? |
| 00:31.37 | asg | goron: currently for testing (and my thinkpad) |
| 00:31.44 | asg | acid-trip: no, don't delete that |
| 00:31.44 | meds | openbsd is so much nicer and simpler than linux |
| 00:31.56 | acid-trip | i can't delete just the info dir |
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| 00:32.13 | asg | acid-trip: find out which script is causing issues (and fix the issue. Often, putting 'exit 0' before the offending bit works, though you have to do the cleanup yourself.) |
| 00:32.14 | yomguymob_ | goron: a web page says it is necessary to add "Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,timestamp_timeout=0" in the sudoers file .. Do you have it in yours ? |
| 00:32.15 | r3m | asg: so every debian flavour are unstable before becoming stable, except SID, will alway be unstable its that? |
| 00:32.17 | goron | meds: The word is *correct* (I heard). I LOVE correct systems. |
| 00:32.24 | asg | acid-trip: no, if you do that, you'll break your system. |
| 00:32.24 | superkitty | meds what about the install od OpenBSD |
| 00:32.40 | meds | superkitty: its a simple text based one but its easy and it works |
| 00:32.52 | asg | r3m: basically. Unstable -> testing -> stable. (unstable always remains unstable though) |
| 00:32.53 | goron | yomguymob_: I don't use the sudoers file. (only on my long gone ubuntu installation (which I hated)) |
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| 00:33.11 | superkitty | how about package availability and installation? |
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| 00:33.21 | benjamindees | goron, is there an effort somewhere to get the source for the Sweex router? |
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| 00:33.31 | Thanatermesis | how to compile a kernel with using the processor of another machine in LAN ? |
| 00:33.33 | goron | benjamindees: Not that I know of. |
| 00:33.35 | goron | off |
| 00:33.39 | asg | Thanatermesis: distcc |
| 00:33.51 | shdwdrgn284 | hello |
| 00:33.51 | Thanatermesis | how to compile only a module in my kernel? |
| 00:33.56 | asg | Thanatermesis: or you probably mean cross-compile |
| 00:33.56 | Thanatermesis | it is posible, yes ? |
| 00:33.58 | yomguymob_ | goron: I see ! but how can you use sudo without sudoers file ? |
| 00:33.58 | goron | benjamindees: Are you a lawyer? |
| 00:34.04 | r3m | asg: so woody and sarge were sid before |
| 00:34.07 | Drizzt321 | f4g#Ag6 |
| 00:34.11 | goron | yomguymob_: I don't. |
| 00:34.25 | goron | yomguymob_: I am in the wheel group and do su. |
| 00:34.33 | asg | r3m: well, packages in woody (and sarge) were once in unstable. |
| 00:34.35 | goron | yomguymob_: I am living very insecure. |
| 00:34.39 | benjamindees | goron, no |
| 00:34.41 | goron | yomguymob_: ;) |
| 00:34.54 | yomguymob_ | goron: :) |
| 00:34.56 | goron | benjamindees: "no"? What does that mean? |
| 00:35.13 | Drizzt321 | eerps, wrong window |
| 00:35.25 | m0p | ahhh the mpg transition worked :) now I just wait for ages... |
| 00:35.27 | doleyb | Drizzt321: that's your password huh? |
| 00:35.32 | benjamindees | goron, heh, it means I'm not a lawyer... |
| 00:35.33 | Drizzt321 | doleyb: not anymore |
| 00:35.33 | goron | doleyb: Nice password. |
| 00:35.47 | Drizzt321 | doleyb :P |
| 00:36.12 | goron | benjamindees: Ow, yeah, right, my bio runtime-stack overflowed. |
| 00:36.19 | r3m | asg so Sarge is testing |
| 00:36.21 | yomguymob_ | gordon: ok, you tell me that I have su rights because i'm in a special group with root privileges... |
| 00:36.28 | goron | r3m: yes |
| 00:36.29 | doleyb | hmm, there is a debian-based distro that is a gpl-violator. |
| 00:36.35 | jjb123 | Can someone help me pick what mouse port to use when I am installing debian? /dev/atibm, /dev/psaux, /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2, /dev/ttyS3, /dev/input/mice, /dev/sunmouse, or /dev/gpmdata? |
| 00:36.35 | asg | r3m: yes but it's now frozen (a slightly different state that pure testing.) |
| 00:36.44 | goron | yomguymob_: It's called wheel |
| 00:36.47 | r3m | ok |
| 00:36.50 | Drizzt321 | jjb123: if its a ps/2 mouse, try /dev/psaux |
| 00:37.01 | qeed | or /dev/input/mice |
| 00:37.09 | goron | I wonder why they don't just call it the canberoot group. |
| 00:37.10 | Drizzt321 | jjb123: otherwise if its usb, it may be at /dev/input/mice, I'm not sure |
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| 00:37.19 | jjb123 | ill try both. |
| 00:37.19 | yomguymob_ | gordon: Thanks ! I'll try to fix this ! |
| 00:37.20 | asg | r3m: if you want the full informational treatment, checkout the developer's reference at www.debian.org |
| 00:37.25 | goron | What's etymology of wheel? |
| 00:37.32 | qeed | su |
| 00:37.38 | asg | goron: google for jargon file |
| 00:38.16 | _gentgeen_ | Anyone happen to know the height of the VIA EPIA 5000 Fanless (http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/sc.8/category.15/it.A/id.212/.f |
| 00:38.16 | cafuego | whee |
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| 00:38.43 | Drizzt321 | anyone know when firefox 1.0.4 will be put into testing? its kind of annoying to have 1.0.3 cause mozilla wants me to upgrade before I can get to the extensions page :( |
| 00:38.56 | m0p | damn, nautilus crashed and now if I try and load it, nothing happens... |
| 00:39.12 | benjamindees | !tell Drizzt321 about quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 00:39.22 | m0p | would logging in and out do anything? (cause it might try and reload it properly) |
| 00:39.45 | goron | asg: wow, it's actually in there (I knew the Jargon file ofcourse) [from slang ?big wheel? for a powerful person] |
| 00:39.48 | cafuego | m0p: Why not try and see? |
| 00:40.08 | m0p | I won't do it now, since I'm encoding stuff, don't wanna stop it halfway through |
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| 00:40.25 | npmiki | how to install kde 3.4 on sarge |
| 00:40.32 | cafuego | npmiki: not. |
| 00:40.34 | doleyb | m0p: it writes from the beginning usually, so you can play the start without interrupt |
| 00:40.37 | streuner | npmiki: you dont |
| 00:40.38 | Drizzt321 | benjamindees: ah, thats somewhat more enlightening, thank you. |
| 00:40.43 | cafuego | npmiki: Sarge comes with 3.3. |
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| 00:41.05 | m0p | same thing happens to totem, ever since it crashed earlier |
| 00:41.15 | m0p | maybe I should reinstall gnome and all of it's components? |
| 00:41.16 | gpm | hey, fat32 has write support with the vfat module right? |
| 00:41.17 | npmiki | how to update kde to version 3.4 |
| 00:41.23 | cafuego | npmiki: not. |
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| 00:41.24 | m0p | it would waste time, but will probably work |
| 00:41.31 | cafuego | npmiki: which part do you not understand? |
| 00:41.32 | gpm | npmiki: /topic |
| 00:41.35 | streuner | npmiki: there are debs available for unstable/sid, but those aren't official |
| 00:41.38 | goron | Debian's QA is pretty good. The price you pay for in in sarge is lagging a month of two or three (or more). |
| 00:42.08 | dondelelcaro | goron: ? |
| 00:42.13 | npmiki | thanks |
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| 00:42.22 | m0p | Sarge is always out of date! |
| 00:42.24 | jjb123 | It Works! Thank y ou ever helped with the mouse thing, been strugling all day! |
| 00:42.35 | goron | dondelelcaro: You have a different opinion? Please share it. |
| 00:42.42 | dondelelcaro | packages that are non-buggy are 10 days out of date. |
| 00:42.46 | m0p | it's still using a 2.6.8 kernel!! :O |
| 00:42.58 | streuner | m0p: that's with every other distro too, when the next distro comes out... |
| 00:43.01 | dondelelcaro | less if the package has higher urgency |
| 00:43.06 | goron | dondelelcaro: Sarge lags 2 weeks behind unstable. |
| 00:43.19 | goron | dondelelcaro: At least that was the situation a year ago. |
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| 00:43.22 | tarzeau | goron: 2, 5 or 10 days |
| 00:43.23 | dondelelcaro | goron: no, it doesn't. It's 10 days for urgency=low. |
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| 00:43.30 | sparr__ | I am having trouble with a file that cannot be found, despite it being RIGHT THERE. Details here, please help? http://rafb.net/paste/results/ywLHNo86.html |
| 00:43.38 | goron | dondelelcaro: Uhm, ok. |
| 00:43.39 | m0p | Gentoo has had KDE 3.4 availible for ages, and a 2.6.11 kernel. I don't know how buggy Gentoo is though, since Ive never used it. |
| 00:43.55 | dondelelcaro | goron: you should at least learn how the testing scripts work before making vague pronouncements on how promotion from unstable to testing works. |
| 00:44.00 | goron | dondelelcaro: But KDE3.4 is not in unstable, therefor it lags. |
| 00:44.02 | jvw | still, what does 4 days make in the preparation for a stable release that's supposed to last for at least a year |
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| 00:44.14 | streuner | m0p: it makes no difference you can use everything in debian as well |
| 00:44.19 | dondelelcaro | goron: so visit #debian-kde had help get kde3.4 into experimental. |
| 00:44.41 | m0p | I suppose, can't you just completely bypass apt? that way you can install whatever you want. |
| 00:44.52 | tarzeau | m0p: nobody wants to do that |
| 00:44.53 | dondelelcaro | m0p: sure, but you're better of working with the packaging system. |
| 00:44.57 | Drizzt321 | sparr__: are you sure you have elf executable in the kernel? |
| 00:45.05 | goron | dondelelcaro: Yes, that would ofcourse be better then proving my point(which I just did). |
| 00:45.09 | m0p | without apt interfeering with it's "omfg there's a broken package!!1! NOOOOOOO!" |
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| 00:45.22 | sparr__ | Drizzt321: if i didnt i would have discovered so long before now |
| 00:45.30 | Drizzt321 | sparr__: true |
| 00:45.50 | goron | dondelelcaro: Where can I learn about the testing scripts? I was talking about QA from a user point of view(i.e. no fuckups). |
| 00:45.52 | benjamindees | m0p, yes, but then you'd be using slackware |
| 00:45.53 | dondelelcaro | goron: eh? your point was that testing was lagging 2 months behind unstable, which is demonstrably false. If you want to complain about kde-3.4 not being in unstable, then help out. |
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| 00:45.53 | m0p | I gotta upgrade to unstable at some point. Sarge is too out of date for me. |
| 00:45.53 | pipeline | m0p: Sarge is only going to get more out of date from this point onwards. Don't like it? Use unstable. :P |
| 00:46.16 | jvw | goron: http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing |
| 00:46.24 | dondelelcaro | goron: from http://cvs.debian.org/?cvsroot=dak of course. |
| 00:46.34 | jvw | dondelelcaro: well.... |
| 00:46.44 | goron | dondelelcaro: I never defined a relation between unstable and testing. I did say that testing lagged two weeks behind unstable, which I later revoked. |
| 00:46.49 | jvw | dondelelcaro: britney hasn't been restored there post-compromise |
| 00:47.31 | m0p | damn, encoding is so slow.... |
| 00:48.11 | trym | how do I get rc6* encryption support ? |
| 00:48.12 | Howdy125 | m0p .. how slow is slow ? |
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| 00:49.05 | m0p | well, to process 50000 frames it has taken 34 minutes. |
| 00:49.14 | m0p | too slow for my liking |
| 00:49.21 | m0p | 11FPS |
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| 00:50.11 | Howdy125 | m0p .. that a full length movie ? |
| 00:50.20 | sparr__ | \join #linuxisbrokenagaindamnit |
| 00:50.45 | goron | dondelelcaro: If I understand correctly that cvs tree holds a number of configurations of a number of machines? |
| 00:50.46 | m0p | Howdy, 4x 1GB files |
| 00:51.09 | dondelelcaro | goron: no, that cvs tree holds the software that runs the archive. |
| 00:51.09 | r3m | its long downloading gnome.. arg |
| 00:51.09 | m0p | about 1 hour |
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| 00:51.21 | r3m | hey all, gnome or KDE? |
| 00:51.31 | m0p | Gnome! |
| 00:51.39 | m0p | KDE is TOO bloated |
| 00:51.43 | iZiZ | XFCE |
| 00:51.46 | iZiZ | :) |
| 00:51.46 | goron | dondelelcaro: Hmm.. then I need to take a look at more files to see the bigger picture. |
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| 00:52.07 | m0p | hehe, good ol XFCE. haven't tried that in ages. |
| 00:52.13 | aisotton | If I add a MAILTO variable to an entry in /etc/cron.d/, will it only apply to the commands in that file or to all commands? I'm read cron(8) but it's not really clear... |
| 00:52.16 | dad | wish i could say "success"!!! |
| 00:52.17 | m0p | might install it later |
| 00:52.22 | gass | hello |
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| 00:52.24 | jvw | goron: subdir 'dak', files like 'jennifer', 'jenna' are typical |
| 00:52.35 | gass | i have installed tomcat, but he refuses t work |
| 00:52.41 | jvw | as those check & accept & install packages in the archive |
| 00:52.50 | trym | I need RC6-128 support god damnit |
| 00:52.50 | Electron | , |
| 00:52.52 | m0p | ok 55000 frames processed! |
| 00:52.58 | gass | i was told that something must be exported do environment ... is it true? |
| 00:53.07 | m0p | gotta be at least halfway encoded by now |
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| 00:53.17 | Howdy125 | Anyone been able to get OGMRip compiled and working in Debian ? |
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| 00:54.07 | m0p | hmmm the multiple times I tried to start nautilus are still picked up by ps |
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| 00:55.01 | m0p | and I tried to start konqueror, and then closed it. about 2 minutes later, it's startup messages were displayed in my console. maybe nautilus wont start cause the CPU is at 100% usage |
| 00:55.06 | m0p | although, Firefox starts fine |
| 00:55.21 | doleyb | here's a quarter kid, buy a better computer. |
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| 00:56.03 | doleyb | actually, you can control-Z your encoder to free the cpu for a minute or 2 to run some other programs. just fg it later. |
| 00:56.16 | m0p | dude, I am already running my little P4EE at 4.3GHz! I can't get any higher without a 2 stage cascade on it. |
| 00:56.39 | goron | jvw: I read jennifer, but without context it doesn't really mean a lot. Secondly I am not a python programmer. I see a lot of calls to the APT API. |
| 00:56.40 | m0p | hmm, will suspending it ruin my progress, and how would I reload it afterwards? |
| 00:57.00 | doleyb | if you don't know about control-Z and fg, you should try them out on some other program first. |
| 00:57.01 | jvw | goron: it's a bit messy |
| 00:57.14 | jvw | goron: but it's what drives the archive |
| 00:57.17 | doleyb | but in general unix, you can pause any console program with control-z, and restart it from there with fg later. |
| 00:57.18 | m0p | I've heard ofit but never needed to use it |
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| 00:57.37 | m0p | ok, I'll try it, but your sure it won't stop my progress right? |
| 00:57.48 | doleyb | test it with "cat /dev/urandom", ^Z, jobs, fg |
| 00:57.56 | doleyb | practice with some other console program first! |
| 00:57.56 | goron | jvw: "the archive" what do you mean by that anyway? |
| 00:58.54 | jvw | goron: ftp.debian.org |
| 00:59.01 | jvw | the Debian archive |
| 00:59.08 | m0p | whoa cat'ing urandom produces loads of system beeps, excellent :) it also craps up the running shell |
| 00:59.12 | m0p | cool |
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| 00:59.35 | goron | jvw: Ok, it also distributes load etc. |
| 00:59.38 | doleyb | that was just an example ofa long-running console thing. control-z is good to know, but you shouldn't play with it for the first time on your long encoder process. |
| 01:00.09 | jvw | goron: hm? |
| 01:00.29 | doleyb | do "reset" to fix your console, btw |
| 01:00.32 | m0p | well, I tried running firefox, suspending it then fg'ing it. it tries to restart the app. so I don't think I'll try it with my encoder |
| 01:00.40 | jvw | goron: the scripts in dak are run on a severely restricted host, ftp-master.debian.org, all publicly-accessible mirrors like also ftp.debian.org just sync from it |
| 01:00.45 | m0p | I'll wait till I've got more time before I try ctrl+z'ing an encoder |
| 01:01.12 | aisotton | Anyone knows this: If I add a MAILTO variable to an entry in /etc/cron.d/, will it only apply to the commands in that file or to all commands? |
| 01:01.13 | goron | jvw: Ok, so it has compilations scripts also? |
| 01:01.35 | doleyb | if you do it with firefox, the windows will stop redrawing while it is suspended, and then start again after fg. (or after bg. bg is ok for X11 gui progs, not good for console things) |
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| 01:03.43 | jvw | goron: no, that's a different system |
| 01:03.50 | jvw | goron: it just manages the packages |
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| 01:04.49 | goron | jvw: What's the managing about then? Like providing an interface to put a new binary package for some release there for developers? |
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| 01:05.12 | jvw | yeah, and so that peckages can get removed, sections changed, the pool managed, etc |
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| 01:05.40 | jim | is there a package in debian containing a configuration tool for a 3c509? |
| 01:05.55 | jvw | with hundreds of developers, one cannot just have all developers write-access to the ftp area |
| 01:06.00 | goron | jvw: Ow, ok, and the use of all those configuration is that they are for different platforms? |
| 01:06.11 | peter_ | how do you use the new apt? sources.list seems to have no effect |
| 01:06.24 | goron | apt-update |
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| 01:06.44 | jvw | itym apt-get update |
| 01:06.55 | goron | !itym |
| 01:06.55 | dpkg | hmm... itym is I Think You Mean |
| 01:07.00 | shingouz | jim: yes, apt-cache search 3com |
| 01:07.06 | goron | jvw: yes |
| 01:07.19 | kelan | jim: mii-diag or nictools-pci or nictools-nopci probably does |
| 01:07.29 | goron | dpkg has a shitload of knowlegde. |
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| 01:07.34 | goron | !businesscard |
| 01:07.34 | dpkg | If you want to install Sid and don't want to download useless stuff, use the businesscard image |
| 01:07.44 | benjamindees | jim, to set the irq you mean? |
| 01:07.52 | shingouz | jim: there is one specifically for the 3c509 but i do not remember the name. will be found with search 3com |
| 01:08.10 | petemc | 3c5x9cfg |
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| 01:09.13 | jim | benjamindees, yeah... I want turn on its pnp |
| 01:09.15 | peter_ | apt-get update pulls from repositories that arent is my sources.list |
| 01:09.27 | jim | add a 'to' to that |
| 01:09.39 | goron | jvw: So you built a layer on top of ftp that limits access? |
| 01:09.54 | jim | peter_: where is your sources.list located? |
| 01:10.21 | peter_ | /etc/apt |
| 01:10.27 | jvw | goron: not really that way, it's a set of scripts manipulating the archive, additions are being done by anonymous-ftp uploads, that are signed -- and periodially, signatures are checked and packages installed |
| 01:10.34 | jim | that's the right place... |
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| 01:11.20 | jim | verify that /etc/apt/sources.list has what you're expecting in it |
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| 01:11.37 | peter_ | i just installed 0.5.15cnc6 and seems the system has changed |
| 01:11.38 | goron | jvw: So I could send something to, although it would be ignored (since I don't have a valid signature(unless I have an oracle)) |
| 01:11.59 | jvw | goron: indeed |
| 01:12.05 | goron | peter_: Did you try man apt? |
| 01:12.07 | jvw | goron: you'll get a reject message back |
| 01:12.25 | jim | peter_: what version of debian are you running (and yes, a read of that man page would be in order) |
| 01:12.36 | peter_ | jim: have you got a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory? |
| 01:12.44 | jim | nope |
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| 01:12.49 | goron | jvw: But that happens after some time (that's what you said)? |
| 01:13.23 | jvw | goron: yeah, every 15 minutes |
| 01:13.26 | goron | jvw: Moderately interesting to hear about how big projects work, btw. |
| 01:13.35 | jim | peter_: that does seem new... you have one? |
| 01:13.54 | peter_ | yes |
| 01:14.05 | jim | ok, check your man apt |
| 01:14.13 | Howdy125 | man kernel |
| 01:14.19 | peter_ | its dated 98 |
| 01:14.19 | jvw | goron: apt-get install dak to see and try |
| 01:14.22 | goron | jvw: I assume you have a valid signature :D |
| 01:14.40 | jim | but have you read it? :) |
| 01:14.41 | peter_ | but apt-get man page is dated may 05 |
| 01:14.52 | jim | read them both |
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| 01:15.18 | jim | what version of debian do you run? |
| 01:15.39 | jvw | goron: I'm an ftp team member -- yeah |
| 01:15.46 | peter_ | jim: i'm using apt, but running FC1 |
| 01:15.58 | jim | alllllll |
| 01:16.02 | jim | rightey then.... |
| 01:16.07 | jim | FC1.... |
| 01:16.11 | goron | jvw: Can't install it here (well, I can, but that means I would have to install linux-debian). I am running FreeBSD here. On my other machine AMD64 I run Debian Unstable. |
| 01:16.16 | goron | peter_: You are funny. |
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| 01:16.56 | peter_ | jim: man page mentions sources.list as "Locations to fetch packages from." so should be ok |
| 01:17.03 | jvw | peter_: this channel is called #debian, not #redhat |
| 01:17.06 | jim | peter_: I've never even seen FC1... |
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| 01:17.31 | concept10 | peter_: #fedora |
| 01:17.36 | jim | fc1 packages are RPMs, are they not? |
| 01:17.39 | goron | peter_: I did see it, but it didn't work X years ago. |
| 01:17.49 | goron | jvw: They copied apt. |
| 01:17.55 | goron | arg, jim |
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| 01:18.13 | jvw | yeah, I know they have apt, but it isn't even close as useful as in Debian |
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| 01:18.33 | furrywolf | grrr. ipop3d's upgrade script kills itself. |
| 01:18.35 | doleyb | peter_: strace apt-get update, and see where it really gets the file |
| 01:18.35 | jvw | because, apt relies on a proper dependency graph and maintainer scripts |
| 01:18.55 | goron | jvw: And Fedora stuff doesn't? |
| 01:18.58 | concept10 | jvw: is the same from my observations |
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| 01:19.10 | jim | and you need proper maintainers to have proper maintainer scripts... |
| 01:19.11 | dad | gawd, this sux |
| 01:19.24 | goron | jvw: As I said earlier Debian's QA is pretty good :D |
| 01:19.26 | jim | dad: thank you for sharing :) |
| 01:19.39 | jvw | goron: dunno, but Debian's kind of well-known for its good and consistent packaging policies |
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| 01:19.47 | doleyb | peter_: mine shows open("/etc/apt/sources.list", O_RDONLY) = 4, but yours will show different |
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| 01:20.44 | Demonic | which kernel would you guys advise using? |
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| 01:21.29 | benjamindees | Demonic, for what? woody? |
| 01:21.40 | jim | peter_: to summarize here... fedora core plus apt is probably a good thing... the majority of people here don't know that combination well enough to support it... still, you might get good responses, and if you do, mo powah to ya... but official line here seems to be, only thing really supported here is debian |
| 01:21.54 | dad | stable -> testing "aptitude dist-upgrade" blew out "too many errors" it said...wtf issat supposed to mean??? especially since it decided what to install, not me! |
| 01:21.56 | furrywolf | ok, so now my mail is broken. now to figure out what the fuck it broke when upgrading... |
| 01:21.57 | shivrajpersaud | Im downloading Debian Disc 1 iso, |
| 01:22.06 | shivrajpersaud | but I saw there is an update on the same day |
| 01:22.10 | shivrajpersaud | which one should I get ? |
| 01:22.23 | Hackel | I just updated my kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 package and the initrd apparently wasn't able to mount my LVM volumes...anyone else have this trouble? |
| 01:22.37 | jim | dad: try dpkg --configure --pending and see what happens |
| 01:23.12 | goron | jvw: Why did you decide to join the ftp team? I also get the impression that a lot of "volunteers" are unemployed. (this sounds harsh, but I am actually interested). |
| 01:23.36 | furrywolf | dpkg-reconfigure ipopd fixed it, even though I didn't change a single thing... |
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| 01:23.43 | dad | jim, will do |
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| 01:24.12 | jim | dad: that might get you a little farther in your upgrade... |
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| 01:24.30 | jim | if it does nothing but return you to your prompt, we're at an impasse |
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| 01:24.54 | joo0 | whats the difference between the updated disc 1 iso and original ??? |
| 01:24.54 | jim | furrywolf: dead mail server? |
| 01:25.07 | furrywolf | jim: ipopd broke on the last update to testing |
| 01:25.08 | joo0 | does it matter ? |
| 01:25.09 | EvanCarroll | Anyone here use no-ip and notice if the service hasn't been working for them too, it went down last night for me the site shows my ip but the dns doesn't seem to reflect the changes |
| 01:25.10 | jim | joo0: the nonoriginal one was updated |
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| 01:25.29 | furrywolf | dpkg-reconfigure ipopd fixed it, even though I didn't change any options... |
| 01:25.41 | jim | joo0: probably not, since you can do net upgrades (aside: NOT downgrades) |
| 01:26.00 | joo0 | heh |
| 01:26.03 | furrywolf | the upgrade removed itself from inetd.conf for no apparant reason; reconfiguring it with the same options made it reappear. |
| 01:26.30 | dad | jim, any way to slow the output of dpkg --configure --pending??? |
| 01:26.32 | Demonic | benjamindees: sarge |
| 01:26.42 | deadcat | what are: root 10640 9 0 18:22 ? 00:00:00 [pdflush] |
| 01:26.46 | jim | dad: so it's doing something? |
| 01:26.52 | dondelelcaro | dad: just tee it to a log |
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| 01:27.04 | jim | don't interrupt it! |
| 01:27.05 | jvw | goron: sorry, about to go to bed -- basicly just interest, I'm a student, not unemployed, and I do think that experience like this can have a positive benefit when looking for jobs in IT business fwiw |
| 01:27.08 | benjamindees | Demonic, why would you think anything other than the included version? |
| 01:27.08 | m0p | hmm, how long do you think it would take to compile a kernel on a AMD K6-2? |
| 01:27.11 | dad | it's erroring like mad, but i can't see the original errors |
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| 01:27.17 | jim | you could damage your installation if you do |
| 01:27.18 | joo0 | I haven't used linux in a long time, what window manager do you guys recommend ? |
| 01:27.32 | furrywolf | icewm |
| 01:27.39 | m0p | XFCE or Gnome |
| 01:27.40 | deadcat | joo0: openbox is pretty hot lately. |
| 01:27.51 | Hackel | olwm |
| 01:27.52 | jim | joo0: I like fvwm2... simple, small, functional |
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| 01:27.54 | deadcat | m0p: window |
| 01:28.03 | deadcat | joo0: basically try them all (= |
| 01:28.06 | paolob | Hi guys! How do I make a head cleaning for a hp 825c printer in linux? thank you! |
| 01:28.11 | jim | yes, try them all |
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| 06:07.49 | peterS | and just *try* convincing me that any bloggers aren't narcissists (: |
| 06:08.00 | Guerin | she's a very technical person, but considers computers to be more magical than technical |
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| 06:08.14 | holycow | peter_, heh |
| 06:08.14 | TwistedEmotions | you know we all need to leave IRC... were all bloggers too.. just in a more active way. |
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| 06:08.22 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:08.27 | peterS | it's just that the very good bloggers are not only narcissistic but have the gift of storytelling such that you actually want to read their self-indulgence |
| 06:08.28 | holycow | blogging in and of it self is narcisism |
| 06:08.33 | Solet-deb | Guerin: you mean computers arent magical? |
| 06:08.51 | peterS | furrywolf: well, depending on the nick you pick |
| 06:08.53 | pipeline | the very good bloggers have very specific topics for their blogs |
| 06:09.00 | pipeline | and fresh material |
| 06:09.02 | furrywolf | solet: watch out, or your minotor will run out of ink! |
| 06:09.11 | furrywolf | monitor |
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| 06:09.19 | pipeline | that's what makes a salam pax or a lemonodor different from a livejournalwhore999 |
| 06:09.19 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: BRIAN? |
| 06:09.24 | Solet-deb | minotor? ink? wtf? |
| 06:09.34 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: see Family Guy.. |
| 06:09.37 | peterS | you can always shake the monitor to get the powder back where it started. just like an etch-a-sketch |
| 06:09.38 | furrywolf | got up at 7am for garage sales. getting time for sleep. :P |
| 06:09.46 | Guerin | pipeline: and tend to be very brief |
| 06:09.57 | Guerin | schneier.com/blog, for example |
| 06:10.04 | TwistedEmotions | I swear to you.. garage sales are evil.. |
| 06:10.06 | pipeline | Guerin: I like long, in-depth articles on very specialized topics :P |
| 06:10.12 | furrywolf | guerin: you know he works for the CIA, right? :P |
| 06:10.29 | Guerin | pipeline: there's a place for that, but the point is that most people can't manage it :) |
| 06:10.37 | Guerin | furrywolf: haha |
| 06:10.40 | Guerin | that's a good one |
| 06:11.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool. i am downloading the 2 movies. via http |
| 06:11.16 | Guerin | salam pax is good, though |
| 06:11.17 | furrywolf | I'm not much of a writer... I do best with a chalkboard and a room of students. |
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| 06:11.29 | Solet-deb | deadcat: it'll be out on dvd before you finish |
| 06:11.35 | peterS | I've almost come to the conclusion that things like livejournal are sustained solely because blogger culture has this unwritten quid pro quo agreement. "if I expect an audience for my blog I have to pay my dues and read N other blogs on a regular basis, no matter how much of a waste of time it is" |
| 06:11.40 | TwistedEmotions | some day a terrorist is going to sell to accidentally sell a nuclear bomb that he has laying around in his garage forgeting what it is... and some 13 year old will push the red button and we will all die. |
| 06:11.43 | Solet-deb | dogs can hold chalk? |
| 06:11.49 | Guerin | peterS: absolutely. |
| 06:11.50 | positrix | furrywolf: that could be misinterpreted... |
| 06:11.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: good deal. |
| 06:11.52 | deadcat | Solet-deb: hahah. probably. 14k modem |
| 06:11.55 | peterS | if all the bloggers do that, read each other's blogs out of duty, then everyone gets an audience |
| 06:12.01 | furrywolf | positrix: ? |
| 06:12.05 | Solet-deb | deadcat: fuckin ouch |
| 06:12.06 | Solet-deb | i'd die |
| 06:12.07 | Guerin | it's a self-sustaining system |
| 06:12.15 | peterS | and everyone can feel accordingly significant in the grand scheme of things |
| 06:12.23 | Guerin | peterS: you know about blogshares? |
| 06:12.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How to you get in using http? |
| 06:12.33 | peterS | Guerin: no. I shudder to think what those are |
| 06:12.36 | furrywolf | hey. my bbs only had 2400 baud modems. I couldn't afford the new-fangled 14.4k ones. :P |
| 06:12.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: chmod 711 /root (= |
| 06:13.10 | Guerin | peterS: stockmarket for blogs, based on popularity, etc. A specific manifestation of how well the self-sustaining system does in fact work :) |
| 06:13.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: wait.. you dont usea web browser? |
| 06:13.19 | TwistedEmotions | *use a |
| 06:13.24 | peterS | Guerin: OMG. that's horrible. |
| 06:13.31 | furrywolf | lol |
| 06:13.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. i have a function using wget to get each file. |
| 06:13.36 | Guerin | peterS: disgusting is the word I'd use. |
| 06:13.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ahhhh kk. |
| 06:14.02 | peterS | Guerin: I suppose the left-leaning bloggers who hate everything about capitalism still participate in this mockup of the pinnacle of capitalism? |
| 06:14.12 | Guerin | oh, f'sure |
| 06:14.14 | positrix | wget piped through less makes a half-decent web browser |
| 06:14.17 | furrywolf | I might run a blog someday... that way I can rant about how 99% of the population is composed of uncaring, unloving, unthinking, selfish, greedy morons with the intelligence of a housebrick. |
| 06:14.33 | deadcat | positrix: hahaha. |
| 06:14.40 | peterS | furrywolf: that'll really make your blog stand out. if there's one thing we need in this world, it's more bloggers who whine in an elitist manner |
| 06:15.03 | Guerin | peterS: there are alliances and so on - people only buying blogs they like, etc, rather than those which are valuable. It's hilarious. |
| 06:15.15 | furrywolf | capitalism is inherently flawed. communism is the way to go. |
| 06:15.18 | Guerin | they even have their own SEC-like arbitration panel |
| 06:15.29 | peterS | Guerin: is there some sort of currency involved? can you materially lose anything if you make bad investments? |
| 06:15.29 | Solet-deb | peterS: would it be possable to write that clock patch for the screensaver in php-gtk, and run it as a seperate routine over the top of the screensaver, then in the xscreensaver source just add the line so when you launch the screensaver it launches the clock too? |
| 06:15.56 | positrix | straight communism doesn't work, russia collapsed remember? we need a tweaked version |
| 06:16.00 | Guerin | peterS: they lose cred, which is of course the only thing of value that they have... |
| 06:16.06 | peterS | Solet-deb: if you're gonna do that you may as well just launch 'xclock'. I'm not sure if it'd work, because of how xscreensaver wants to take over your whole screen |
| 06:16.15 | peterS | Guerin: oh right |
| 06:16.56 | peterS | Solet-deb: xclock should have options and/or resources to make it look however you actually want, or very close |
| 06:17.05 | Solet-deb | peterS: i'd run xclock but it wouldnt match my other 2 computers :( i run matrix code on all 6 monitors in this room for screen savers |
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| 06:18.07 | peterS | Solet-deb: seriously, there's an Athena widget to produce what xclock does for a living. xclock is a trivial wrapper around it. that's what the implementation would most likely do, just create a widget in a window on top of the action one |
| 06:18.29 | furrywolf | peterS: are you trying to convince me that 99% of the population isn't as I described? :P |
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| 06:18.42 | Solet-deb | peterS: you lost me |
| 06:19.05 | Solet-deb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.13 | peterS | furrywolf: thanks to the above-average effect, even very stupid people rate themselves as smarter than the 50th percentile of the population. thus I'm very very wary of people who claim that "most people are stupid". they could well be among these |
| 06:19.18 | positrix | Solet-deb: that xmatrix screensaver is teh RoX0rz |
| 06:19.24 | peterS | Solet-deb: a widget set. link with -lXaw |
| 06:19.40 | furrywolf | solet: athena is the goddess of wisdom and other things |
| 06:19.52 | peterS | it's also a project out of MIT to create the X Window System |
| 06:19.54 | bob2 | Solet-deb: the terrible demo wigdet set the X group wrote back in 1985 |
| 06:20.00 | furrywolf | peterS: think of how dumb the average joe is, then remember than 50% of people are dumber than that. :P |
| 06:20.01 | bob2 | Solet-deb: which people actually used |
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| 06:20.12 | nevyn | hrm |
| 06:20.17 | bob2 | the lesson of FS is to NEVER write demo code unless you want to support it for the next 20 years |
| 06:20.21 | peterS | furrywolf: right. and also remember that nobody considers himself dumber than the average joe. this is rather illogical, but it's how we are |
| 06:20.29 | bob2 | e.g. bsd tcp/ip, X |
| 06:21.04 | Solet-deb | exactly how are you suggesting i put a clock at the top of xmatrix? |
| 06:21.09 | nevyn | bob2: FS? |
| 06:21.15 | bob2 | free software |
| 06:21.24 | nevyn | oh. |
| 06:21.26 | nevyn | no that's the lesson of X |
| 06:21.28 | furrywolf | no, but I can give objective proof. consider that most people spend their entire lives thinking only about themselves with no regard to other people... "that's ok, we can bomb/kill/maim them, since they're not me!". etc. or look at the existance of mass religion... |
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| 06:21.39 | Solet-deb | bob2: oh i was thinkning you dyslexiated SF (source forge) |
| 06:21.40 | peterS | Solet-deb: by creating a child window and instantiating a clock widget in it, with appropriate default resources to match the general theme |
| 06:22.03 | SavannahLion | In the last couple of days, I've been unable to login to MSNM using Kopete. I'm thinking the MSNM changed their protocol. Since I'm on Sarge, it's locked, and 10.0 doesn't appoear to be available, should I be moving to Sid instead? |
| 06:22.36 | nevyn | SavannahLion: try gaim |
| 06:22.42 | jetscreamer | you don't have to move to sid to run A sid program |
| 06:22.46 | nevyn | SavannahLion: it's all about gaim anyway. |
| 06:22.48 | jetscreamer | see also amsn |
| 06:22.52 | furrywolf | hey, it was a gentle poke. :) |
| 06:23.12 | SavannahLion | nevyn: I tried Gaim once. I didn't like it |
| 06:23.15 | SavannahLion | 's behavior |
| 06:23.21 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: stop poking the cat... you may be a dog he may be a cat... but lion vs wolf you'll lose :P |
| 06:23.36 | furrywolf | solet: how does one lose snuggling? :P |
| 06:23.45 | nevyn | there's a business opertunity there somewhere... |
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| 06:23.50 | SavannahLion | furrywolf: I'm not a snuggler |
| 06:24.03 | SavannahLion | OK OK, I am but within my own species |
| 06:24.10 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: like that |
| 06:24.23 | Solet-deb | SavannahLion: thanks for helping me answer :P |
| 06:24.32 | furrywolf | heh. nor do I snuggle random people. but I get tired of the general anti-furry attitude in the room. :) |
| 06:24.44 | nagual | how tired furrywolf ? |
| 06:24.58 | SavannahLion | furrywolf: what did you expect when you walk around naked? |
| 06:25.13 | furrywolf | it's hot outside! |
| 06:25.23 | peterS | furrywolf: you consider it 'objective proof' that people spend their entire lives not thinking of anyone else? what evidence do you have for this? don't bother to answer, I know you don't have any. you only have evidence of people's actions at discrete points in time |
| 06:25.37 | bob2 | so, what content-based anti-spam thing do people use these days, aside from spamassassin? |
| 06:25.52 | nagual | haha ' |
| 06:26.00 | furrywolf | peterS: correct. however, there's a remarkable number of those discrete points. |
| 06:26.14 | furrywolf | SavannahLion: sorry. I'll avoid poking you in the future. :) |
| 06:26.22 | nagual | 'objective truth' anyone who talks about objective proof about pretty much anything talks bs anyway, since all humans have access to is their subjective reality :) |
| 06:26.32 | Solet-deb | peterS: i think i've solved my xmatrix delema. |
| 06:26.35 | peterS | furrywolf: there's also a remarkable number of people. you don't have very many points per person in the world, I suspect |
| 06:26.54 | nevyn | furrywolf: there's a massive question about the sampling method used. in that civil behaviour goes mostly unnoticed where as uncivil behavior is immediately obvious |
| 06:27.00 | furrywolf | peterS: well, 51% of the US population voted for a mass-murder-supporting president... that has to mean something. |
| 06:27.16 | nevyn | furrywolf: no. |
| 06:27.17 | SavannahLion | furrywolf: There's a 370 page poking contest back at my home forums if you're really into that kind of thing |
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| 06:27.29 | furrywolf | SavannahLion: lol. no. :) |
| 06:27.34 | nevyn | furrywolf: the turnout was only just over 50% iirc |
| 06:27.39 | Solet-deb | i've a freind that does cpp coding... he's arrogant as fuck... he cant stand some one challenging him and telling him he cant do it... i'll make a 10 dollar bet and in the end i'll lose ten bux but i'll have a wonderfully working fully gui customizable ticker at the top inwhich i can include a clock |
| 06:27.40 | peterS | furrywolf: the same 51% voted against a guy with all the appeal of a muskrat. his only selling point was "look at who you won't be voting for" |
| 06:27.52 | nevyn | so 26ish% voted for bush. |
| 06:28.00 | SavannahLion | Mostly large sticks last time I checked, there might be a baseball every now and then |
| 06:28.14 | furrywolf | ok, what percentage of the population supports the christian-derived religions? |
| 06:28.18 | SavannahLion | that last sentence did *not* come out right |
| 06:28.22 | bob2 | Solet-deb: hah |
| 06:28.27 | furrywolf | SavannahLion: lol |
| 06:28.43 | furrywolf | SavannahLion: at least you missed the discussion earlier about electrosex toys. :) |
| 06:28.47 | Solet-deb | bob2: he's such a fuckin sucker... |
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| 06:29.15 | nagual | the us overall has some systematic problems. the judicial system is going crazy, and affecting lots of other stuff, like doctors not accepting hard cases cause they are afraid they will get suid. |
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| 06:29.58 | SavannahLion | Just a thought, is Sarge the preferred version or is Sid? |
| 06:30.06 | nagual | sarge. |
| 06:30.11 | nagual | if you have to ask |
| 06:30.12 | nagual | :-) |
| 06:30.16 | nevyn | you know.. re: doctors.. the solution is to let them sleep and not work 10+hr shifts. |
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| 06:30.25 | furrywolf | SavannahLion: I'm not really the huggy/silly type with random people... but this channel doesn't have nearly enough furs. :) |
| 06:30.40 | nevyn | SavannahLion: depends on your opinion |
| 06:30.45 | SavannahLion | furrywolf: There's a Beagle where I just came from |
| 06:31.07 | nagual | nevyn: well, i think the sollution is to accept that man will sometimes make errors, and i would be very careful of accepting hard cases too if i could be suid for millions for missing to take some little test or something |
| 06:31.09 | furrywolf | sarge is a lot more likely to not break randomly... |
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| 06:31.36 | furrywolf | the medical industry is a joke... can you really trust people who make more money the sicker you get? |
| 06:31.50 | furrywolf | lion: ? |
| 06:32.03 | nevyn | nagual: I agree. but the solution is to put health professions under less pressure. |
| 06:32.06 | sean_micken | what is teh dbootstrap_settings and install-report.template files in /root? are they safe to remove? |
| 06:32.13 | Guerin | furrywolf: we're anti-everything in #debian. Deal. |
| 06:32.13 | nevyn | furrywolf: public healthcare |
| 06:32.24 | SavannahLion | furrywolf: http://www.unophicial.com/pdl/index.html |
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| 06:32.27 | jetscreamer | anti-debian |
| 06:32.27 | nagual | furrywolf: did you realize that placebo and 'happypills' are like 1-3 % apart eachother when it comes to efficiency? and that goes for most medicines |
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| 06:32.53 | furrywolf | nagual: and frequently the placebo is the one that comes out ahead... |
| 06:32.53 | nagual | nevyn: i dont know what the sollution is really, but i really think the judicial system in the us needs some remaking |
| 06:32.53 | nevyn | nagual: happypills? |
| 06:32.57 | nevyn | nagual: SSRI's |
| 06:33.07 | nagual | nevyn: yea, i dont know the names for them in english :) |
| 06:33.20 | nevyn | nagual: prozac/zoloft etc? |
| 06:33.21 | Guerin | ssri = antidepressant |
| 06:33.23 | Phated | Antidepressants? |
| 06:33.24 | furrywolf | SavannahLion: the pounce mane-ouvre? sure, not snuggly, eh? :P |
| 06:33.29 | nagual | yes. |
| 06:33.30 | Guerin | in common parlance, anyway |
| 06:33.35 | SavannahLion | I didn't write that |
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| 06:33.43 | helix | uh |
| 06:33.47 | helix | could you stop the furry sex |
| 06:33.51 | nevyn | Guerin: the most widly prescribed broad action antidepressants. |
| 06:33.58 | Guerin | nevyn: yeah. |
| 06:33.59 | nagual | the funny thing is, since placebo is so effective, why wont conventional doctors use it? it makes no sense to me, and the best thing abot placebo is that it has no sideaffects :) |
| 06:34.20 | SavannahLion | nagual: depends on which view you take at why it's not used |
| 06:34.21 | furrywolf | nagual: actually, many studies show placebos to have quite a few side-effects... |
| 06:34.32 | furrywolf | the real reason is they wouldn't get to empty people's wallets |
| 06:34.33 | Solet-deb | [INFO]Now stalking furry people <---- from my status window on chatzilla |
| 06:34.42 | nagual | furrywolf: what sideaffects? |
| 06:34.53 | nagual | SavannahLion: of course :) |
| 06:34.58 | Guerin | nagual: whatever the guineapig thinks they're taking |
| 06:34.58 | furrywolf | nagual: the same as the real medication is supposed to have. |
| 06:35.03 | nagual | but im like this. if it works, use it |
| 06:35.25 | nevyn | nagual: so people have psycosematic (imagined) sideeffects. |
| 06:35.31 | SavannahLion | Well... my point was, drug companies would tell you that there's no proof by the FDA that placebos work at all. Hence why they're used. |
| 06:35.42 | furrywolf | helix: urmm? I don't see any furry sex. |
| 06:35.52 | nagual | but that would imply they know about the sideaffect the non-placebo is supposed to have |
| 06:36.08 | peterS | furrywolf: I do believe she was referring to the poking and snuggling which wasn't *quite* going on |
| 06:36.12 | SavannahLion | of course, that's why they test the drugs |
| 06:36.16 | furrywolf | the medical industry makes money by taking advantage of and/or causing illness.... |
| 06:36.26 | Phated | Innuendo is only a step away from sex! |
| 06:36.30 | furrywolf | peters: I only saw one poke and no snuggling. geez. :P |
| 06:36.35 | Guerin | nagual: people, when taking any medication, report normal variations in their condition as an effect of the illness or medication. |
| 06:36.39 | Solet-deb | why do they only test drugs on healthy non smokers? |
| 06:36.48 | furrywolf | phated: um? I don't do casual sex. ever. |
| 06:36.52 | Solet-deb | what if the drug has a bad reaction to nicotine.... |
| 06:36.54 | SavannahLion | My favorite commercial is for a drug for arrousal in men. A side affect you should call your doctor about is if you have an erection for four hours or more. |
| 06:37.06 | Phated | furrywolf: Uhm? You have no sense of humour. Never will. |
| 06:37.15 | helix | hahaha |
| 06:37.16 | helix | wtf |
| 06:37.19 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:37.24 | Guerin | four hours is a long time |
| 06:37.24 | furrywolf | phated: dunno, I had fun adding !testsmite to the bot to annoy peterS. :P |
| 06:37.30 | SavannahLion | I have serious doubts any couple will call their Dr if the husband has an erection for four hours |
| 06:37.36 | nagual | Guerin: i use hypnosis / Nlp to help people (with great results btw) and i give people sideaffects, like you know when people some days are especially nice to you, for know reason whatsoever? |
| 06:37.44 | Phated | furrywolf: That's being semi-weird and to tell the truth, annoying. |
| 06:37.51 | Guerin | nagual: haha |
| 06:37.55 | Solet-deb | SavannahLion: smoke half an ounce of damianna some time... that ougha give you atleast an 8 hour wood |
| 06:37.59 | nagual | ;-) |
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| 06:38.03 | helix | furries are all about being weird |
| 06:38.05 | helix | on purpose |
| 06:38.11 | SavannahLion | Solet-deb: Damianna? Never heard of it |
| 06:38.13 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:38.14 | Phated | For the sake of being weird. |
| 06:38.15 | nagual | Guerin: if you are curious :) http://forum.riktning.com/viewtopic.php?t=41 |
| 06:38.20 | furrywolf | lion: while I've never had that happen, I've heard it gets rather painful... |
| 06:38.22 | Solet-deb | (of course damianna messes up your liver) (its an herb...) |
| 06:38.26 | furrywolf | helix: um. no. :P |
| 06:38.30 | Solet-deb | i prolly misspelled it |
| 06:38.32 | helix | you are a moron |
| 06:38.37 | Solet-deb | put i got the phonetics right |
| 06:38.45 | Guerin | nagual: i'm passingly familiar with a bunch of alternative medicines already, thanks. |
| 06:38.48 | Solet-deb | s/put/but |
| 06:38.53 | SavannahLion | furrywolf: Like those "infinite erections" that occur in some men? |
| 06:39.08 | Phated | Guerin: Dog nipples, for one? |
| 06:39.13 | peterS | SavannahLion: woody won't be maintained infinitely, you know, if that's what you're talking about |
| 06:39.19 | furrywolf | helix: furry is about being what you are... |
| 06:39.19 | Guerin | Phated: that'd be one. |
| 06:39.21 | peterS | SavannahLion: and I know you are, because this is #debian so that'd be on topic |
| 06:39.21 | Phated | Haha. |
| 06:39.26 | helix | hahaha |
| 06:39.34 | Phated | !peterS++ |
| 06:39.35 | Guerin | furrywolf: no, it's about being what you wish you were. |
| 06:39.40 | peterS | thanks, Phated |
| 06:39.41 | nagual | Guerin: this isnt anything of that, but hey, suit yourself :) |
| 06:39.48 | Phated | peterS: :) |
| 06:39.52 | Guerin | nagual: sure it ain't. |
| 06:39.58 | nagual | hehe |
| 06:40.00 | Solet-deb | wtf does !peters++ do? |
| 06:40.00 | SavannahLion | There's a medical condition where if the blood vessel is damaged and scar tissue is formed, it's possible to get an erection that never goes away unless you... bleed the tool. |
| 06:40.02 | peterS | /nick Phurry |
| 06:40.09 | nagual | Guerin: its nice to see you are wellinformed before making a statement :) |
| 06:40.11 | Guerin | furrywolf: I mean, I can dress up like William Wallace all I want, but that don't make it so. |
| 06:40.13 | Phated | Hah. |
| 06:40.14 | peterS | Solet-deb: increments my karma, which the bot keeps track of. /msg dpkg karma peterS |
| 06:40.15 | jetscreamer | !kline SavannahLion |
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| 06:40.37 | peterS | Solet-deb: it's a concept borrowed from slashdot, I believe. don't know if it was original there - probably not |
| 06:40.38 | furrywolf | SavannahLion: that's more than most of us want to know. |
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| 06:41.03 | Quentusrex | how do I find where I installed a package? |
| 06:41.14 | Guerin | Quentusrex: dpkg -L packagename |
| 06:41.15 | Quentusrex | I installed GCL and I forgot where apt-get installed it. |
| 06:41.16 | peterS | furrywolf: now you know how the rest of us feel about inter-species snuggling (: |
| 06:41.19 | Quentusrex | thanks |
| 06:41.21 | Phated | Bleeding used to be a widely accepted medical practice, as I'm sure you're aware, there's no reason why it shouldn't work, albeit for different reasons that it was thought to. |
| 06:41.22 | SavannahLion | Well... I am speaking purely as a medical issue |
| 06:41.36 | furrywolf | peterS: but there was no snuggling. geez. :P |
| 06:41.45 | Solet-deb | i have no karma :( |
| 06:41.59 | furrywolf | there's no one here I'd snuggle, anyway... I only snuggle people online I'd snuggle offline... |
| 06:42.03 | peterS | Solet-deb: think on the bright side. you haven't annoyed anyone enough for them to go !solet-deb-- yet |
| 06:42.12 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 06:42.27 | Guerin | furrywolf: thanks for sharing. |
| 06:42.35 | peterS | Solet-deb: not having negative karma is *something* |
| 06:43.00 | Solet-deb | is there a way to see the user with the lowest karma? |
| 06:43.01 | nevyn | ~nevyn |
| 06:43.02 | apt | from memory, nevyn is a sid user |
| 06:43.09 | Guerin | Solet-deb: no. |
| 06:43.21 | peterS | Solet-deb: I think you're increasing his temptation |
| 06:43.27 | Solet-deb | lol |
| 06:43.30 | Phated | Yes, jetscreamer, now you can do it, homicidal tendencies are justification. |
| 06:43.39 | jetscreamer | leave our mother out of it |
| 06:43.39 | furrywolf | lol |
| 06:43.39 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 06:43.41 | Guerin | Solet-deb: well, you can look in the database dumps - /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 06:43.44 | Solet-deb | phated STFU |
| 06:43.45 | Phated | HAH. |
| 06:43.58 | Phated | Solet-deb: Oh, FFS, develop a sense of humour, -really-. |
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| 06:44.03 | peterS | Guerin: does that include karma? I can't recall that it does, though I suppose I don't see why not |
| 06:44.15 | Solet-deb | Phated: i'm grinning from ear to fuckin ear atm... |
| 06:44.16 | Guerin | peterS: I think it does |
| 06:44.24 | Guerin | peterS: it did on my blootbot, anyway |
| 06:44.25 | Solet-deb | if he jacks my karma i'll just have a clone fix it :P |
| 06:44.29 | Phated | Solet-deb: Eeww, you fuck ears? |
| 06:44.31 | furrywolf | phated: I think the problem is some people have different senses of humor... |
| 06:44.41 | Solet-deb | phated only on wednesdays |
| 06:44.42 | Guerin | let's not start having karma wars |
| 06:44.47 | SavannahLion | furrywolf: That's too true |
| 06:44.54 | Phated | furrywolf: So I've seen. You can take your, er, true self to bed right now. |
| 06:44.54 | peterS | Solet-deb: that's so lame there are no words to express it.. |
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| 06:45.12 | SavannahLion | I've always liked the kind of humor expressed at Atari, but other's don't seem to like it |
| 06:45.14 | Solet-deb | peterS: which part? |
| 06:45.21 | Phated | Karma'ing yourself is lame. |
| 06:45.30 | peterS | furrywolf: I suppose 'bed' is a euphemism for 'grassy spot in a forest under more or less open sky'? |
| 06:45.46 | peterS | Solet-deb: the part about cheating on something as dumb and inconsequential as bot karma |
| 06:45.47 | Phated | peterS: Perhaps with some shelter? It's been raining recently. |
| 06:45.53 | Guerin | peterS: itym 'stinky den littered with bones and rotting flesh under a rock' |
| 06:45.54 | jetscreamer | cave |
| 06:46.01 | peterS | Guerin: oh, my bad |
| 06:46.01 | jetscreamer | what Guerin said |
| 06:46.04 | furrywolf | peterS: no, it's a extra-firm futon on a wood frame, in a room with waaay too many cooling fans in various computers. |
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| 06:46.22 | Guerin | i tell ya, if you've ever been to a place where many dogs live, it's some foul shit |
| 06:46.23 | peterS | furrywolf: not being very true to self. tsk. anyway, off wi' ye |
| 06:46.35 | Guerin | there's a dog farm not far from my place... man. |
| 06:46.39 | Solet-deb | peterS: well i've nothing better to do atm... asside from get sound working on this box (too tired to do) apply for college (too tired to do) apply for a new job (pointless if i'm going to college this fall) |
| 06:46.56 | Phated | Guerin: Where the infamous dog nipples originated? |
| 06:47.07 | SavannahLion | Hhmm... I've got another question about Sarge's lock. Does that imply that Sarge will not get the latest update via apt-get? Such as a move from KDE 3.3 to errr... 3.4 I suppose? |
| 06:47.18 | furrywolf | peterS: with soft fluffy blankets, too. :P |
| 06:47.18 | Solet-deb | wtf! dog nipples |
| 06:47.21 | jetscreamer | i can't believe they let dogs on the futons... |
| 06:47.22 | Guerin | Phated: nope, i think those nipples came from some other farm, since they were eaten in a different city |
| 06:47.31 | Solet-deb | FURRYWOLF RUN!!!!!!!!1111ONEoneone |
| 06:47.39 | Phated | Solet-deb: Perhaps you should do the last, as it's the only one you seem inclined to do, and will not be going to college this fall, as you're too lazy to go apply for college. |
| 06:47.47 | peterS | SavannahLion: depends on what you mean by "the latest update". sarge has never gotten "the latest" of anything, defined loosely |
| 06:47.48 | furrywolf | solet: started using AOL, eh? |
| 06:47.51 | Guerin | SavannahLion: yes. |
| 06:48.08 | Phated | Guerin: It would be kinda weird, wouldn't it, everytime you walk past, never know if they're going to scent their old mate on you and just jump you. |
| 06:48.13 | Guerin | SavannahLion: it means that no version of any package not already in sarge is likely to make it in. |
| 06:48.17 | SavannahLion | peterS: Well.. relatively speaking of course |
| 06:48.17 | streuner | argh, sunday |
| 06:48.18 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: what? |
| 06:48.24 | Guerin | Phated: they're caged, thankfully. |
| 06:48.33 | peterS | SavannahLion: KDE 3.4 was voted off the sarge island long ago, absent some miracle of perfect packaging and bug-free operation |
| 06:48.36 | Guerin | we had drunnken delusions of going and busting them all out one night |
| 06:48.38 | Phated | Guerin: That's what they said about those circus lions! |
| 06:48.54 | Guerin | !peterS++ # survivor reference |
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| 06:49.08 | Phated | Good lord, the karmaS just keep coming! |
| 06:49.09 | SavannahLion | So that's why the last version of KDE never made it into Sarge. That's been puzzling me for a while |
| 06:49.12 | peterS | I'm feeling very karmic tonight. wonder what it is |
| 06:49.26 | peterS | !Phated++ # 'karmaS' |
| 06:49.26 | |V\oNK | hello |
| 06:49.31 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 06:49.39 | Guerin | karma wars!!1 |
| 06:49.54 | peterS | it's not a war, it's mutual back scratching, as it were |
| 06:49.58 | jetscreamer | !survivor-- ----------------- |
| 06:49.58 | nagual | sorry for this offtopic question, but is anyone aware of an easy way to dl all patches etc for win2k? |
| 06:49.58 | furrywolf | !karma-- |
| 06:49.58 | furrywolf | and with that contribution, I'm head to bead. bbl, sleep. |
| 06:49.58 | jetscreamer | download.microsoft.com |
| 06:49.58 | furrywolf | heading |
| 06:49.58 | furrywolf | bed |
| 06:49.59 | Phated | Not so much a war as a trade. |
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| 06:50.04 | Guerin | peterS: haha |
| 06:50.15 | Phated | Solet-deb: FURRYWOLF RUN!!!!!!!!1111ONEoneone |
| 06:50.16 | jetscreamer | see also corporate windows update |
| 06:50.34 | Phated | However, one might say that he dislikes humour enough that he doesn't find parody funny, perhaps? |
| 06:50.56 | peterS | you're the one who was talking about bleeding, earlier. is he deficient in one of the four humours, then? |
| 06:51.05 | jetscreamer | define the 4 |
| 06:51.07 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:51.09 | nagual | jetscreamer: but im not on win2k at the momemt. my 74 old neighbour only has a 33.6 and i thought id burn a cd for her, cause she needs to update. (and for some reason automatik updates isnt working on her machine) |
| 06:51.17 | Quentusrex | I don't have the GCL file: /gcl-2.6.6/h/page.h |
| 06:51.20 | peterS | I forget what the 4 are. blood, yellow bile, black bile, phlegm? |
| 06:51.21 | Quentusrex | How can I get this file? |
| 06:51.21 | furrywolf | or, perhaps, I just don't find stupidity funny? :P |
| 06:51.27 | furrywolf | bbl |
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| 06:51.49 | Guerin | !find 6/page.h |
| 06:51.52 | peterS | they represent 4 emotional components, but I forget what those are too |
| 06:51.55 | EricBlade | hi all |
| 06:52.00 | Phated | Oh, dear, I've stepped out of my range. |
| 06:52.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of '6/page.h' (4 of 5): (/usr/include/oskit/x86/page.h) in devel/oskit ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2/include/asm-i386/page.h) in devel/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1/include/asm-i386/page.h) in devel/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1 ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2/include/asm-i386/page.h) in devel/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2. |
| 06:52.13 | SavannahLion | You need "stupid" funny. You need some sort of reference to compare the good humor to |
| 06:52.19 | Solet-deb | peterS yeah those are the 4... but i dont find them funny at all its kinda gross really... |
| 06:52.25 | furrywolf | lion: lol |
| 06:52.28 | peterS | SavannahLion: good humor can only be compared to ben & jerry |
| 06:52.36 | EricBlade | i just installed a 19" monitor, and cranked it up to maximum resolution (1600x...something) .. and now everything is so damn tiny i can barely see. do i need to adjust something in X besides just the resolution? |
| 06:52.37 | SavannahLion | The ice cream? |
| 06:52.44 | EricBlade | i upgraded from a 17" that did 1280x1024 |
| 06:52.45 | peterS | SavannahLion: they're both brands of ice cream, yeah |
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| 06:52.54 | Guerin | EricBlade: dpi |
| 06:52.57 | furrywolf | peters: now that was a bad pun. :P |
| 06:53.02 | furrywolf | way too punny |
| 06:53.03 | peterS | furrywolf: thanks, I work hard at them |
| 06:53.04 | Quentusrex | !find gcl-2.6.6/h/page.h |
| 06:53.12 | SavannahLion | peterS: You mean there's a Ben ice cream and a Jerry Ice cream? |
| 06:53.12 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gcl-2.6.6/h/page.h' returned no results. |
| 06:53.19 | Guerin | EricBlade: look at the option DisplaySize in man XF86Config-4 |
| 06:53.28 | peterS | SavannahLion: no, a Good Humor and a B&J's. I don't know much about either, I buy the cheap stuff |
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| 06:54.04 | Guerin | EricBlade: by and large, the best way is just to crank your font sizes up |
| 06:54.06 | SavannahLion | peterS: Ah... I have old school humor. Most of it isn't PC any more |
| 06:54.08 | jetscreamer | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.aspx?displaylang=en |
| 06:54.13 | EricBlade | Guerin: it says 1600 1280 |
| 06:54.16 | Guerin | all the ui widgets tend to size up with them |
| 06:54.35 | SavannahLion | By way of the simple fact that I was either born 20 years too late or my father was simply 40 years older than most dads |
| 06:54.36 | EricBlade | i'm getting a headache. lol |
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| 06:54.38 | streuner | jetscreamer: its sunday i know..., but are you today a little bit crazy? |
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| 06:54.58 | EricBlade | if i remember correctly (or corruptly) isn't there some sort of DPI option somewhere? |
| 06:55.19 | Guerin | !dpi |
| 06:55.20 | dpkg | i guess dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 06:55.36 | peterS | EricBlade: DisplaySize is what you want, as Guerin said. X can calculate the DPI of your monitor based on its physical size and the resolution X is driving it at |
| 06:55.48 | peterS | EricBlade: DisplaySize gives it the physical size, it knows the rest |
| 06:55.56 | Guerin | the thing is you don't set your DPI - you tell your GUI to scale things to match a certain dpi |
| 06:56.13 | EricBlade | width in millimeters? rather than pixels? |
| 06:56.18 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:56.20 | EricBlade | oh ugh |
| 06:56.24 | peterS | EricBlade: of course. width in pixels you set elsewhere |
| 06:56.24 | Guerin | it KNOWS how many pixels |
| 06:56.30 | EricBlade | the previous settings had width in pixels too |
| 06:56.31 | EricBlade | bleah |
| 06:56.46 | Guerin | it SHOULD do it automatically, but if not - you need to set it |
| 06:56.49 | EricBlade | i think i stepped on and broke my measuring tape while i was hefting this gigantamongous thing around |
| 06:56.57 | Guerin | but as I said: best just crank your fonts up |
| 06:56.57 | peterS | EricBlade: no, two different things. you tell it not only what pixel dimension you want to use, but what physical size those pixels are to be displayed on |
| 06:57.51 | peterS | EricBlade: my 21" monitor is 400x300 mm or so. estimate your display size accordingly |
| 06:58.04 | peterS | EricBlade: it'll be a 4x3 aspect ratio, almost certainly. most monitors are |
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| 06:58.20 | SavannahLion | Does anybody play Half-Life 2? |
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| 06:58.25 | nevyn | sigh. |
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| 06:59.06 | nagual | SavannahLion: i have. |
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| 06:59.10 | nagual | (not online though) |
| 06:59.12 | nevyn | sizes in pixels suck. |
| 06:59.12 | EricBlade | 60 cm wide 70 cm tall |
| 06:59.20 | Guerin | you lie |
| 06:59.23 | SavannahLion | nagual: Do you currently have it installed on a Windows or LInux box? |
| 06:59.23 | jetscreamer | nobody plays hl2 |
| 06:59.29 | nagual | windows |
| 06:59.37 | eps | I play hl2 |
| 06:59.41 | jetscreamer | no you don't |
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| 06:59.42 | eps | well I do some times |
| 06:59.44 | Guerin | you lie! |
| 06:59.45 | SavannahLion | eps: on linux? |
| 06:59.45 | nevyn | nagual I keep thinking nazguls ;) |
| 06:59.46 | EricBlade | so would that be 600 x 700 mm ? |
| 06:59.48 | jetscreamer | lies! |
| 06:59.54 | nagual | nevyn: nah, im one of the good guys :) |
| 06:59.55 | eps | SavannahLion where else would I run it? |
| 06:59.58 | EricBlade | and why would that be larger than a 21? lol |
| 07:00.00 | Guerin | EricBlade: your 19" monitor is not 600x700mm |
| 07:00.03 | peterS | EricBlade: your monitor is *not* 27 inches high |
| 07:00.07 | Guerin | you freak |
| 07:00.12 | peterS | EricBlade: or 24 inches wide |
| 07:00.13 | jetscreamer | i want a 27" monitor |
| 07:00.24 | SavannahLion | I ported Nemesis' HLLib to Linux and I'm looking for feedback |
| 07:00.28 | Guerin | i have a 29"tv which gets some use as a monitor |
| 07:00.29 | pipeline | they're rare and expensive |
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| 07:00.36 | eps | SavannahLion hl2 runs nicely under linux |
| 07:00.38 | SavannahLion | My Linux tester pool is very very small |
| 07:00.43 | nagual | whats HLLib? |
| 07:00.44 | eps | nemesis llib? |
| 07:00.49 | peterS | Guerin: yeah but even that isn't taller than it is wide, or a 6x7 aspect ratio |
| 07:00.49 | eps | hl* |
| 07:00.51 | eps | linky |
| 07:01.04 | jetscreamer | isn't nemesis a hacker in the bad sense, is into hacking online games? |
| 07:01.05 | Guerin | yeah, f'sure |
| 07:01.18 | EricBlade | i've got a damn measuring tape right here, it says 6 x 7 |
| 07:01.19 | EricBlade | lol |
| 07:01.19 | SavannahLion | HLLIb is a library that lets you examine and extract .gcf (Steam) files. |
| 07:01.26 | nagual | ok |
| 07:01.29 | peterS | EricBlade: it's taller than it is wide? |
| 07:01.29 | EricBlade | i've had too much to drink to figure out what that means. :D |
| 07:01.33 | jetscreamer | yeah but that didn't answer my question |
| 07:01.43 | Guerin | oh dear |
| 07:01.45 | EricBlade | apparently it is |
| 07:01.49 | Guerin | damn american lightweights |
| 07:01.50 | SavannahLion | jetscreamer: my definition of hacker is the same as Linus' not mainstream media warped sense of the word |
| 07:02.04 | peterS | EricBlade: apparently you need to drink some coffee before wielding something as complex as a measuring tape |
| 07:02.07 | eps | SavannahLion don't bull shit, we all know what he is asking |
| 07:02.12 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.18 | Phated | He said "hacker in the bad sense", that should tell you what he meant by it in that sentence. |
| 07:02.19 | eps | hacker has never had a static meaning |
| 07:02.22 | EricBlade | actual screen size, is 6 left to right and 7 top to bottom. |
| 07:02.22 | SavannahLion | AFAIK, he is not a hacker if you want to use that definition |
| 07:02.32 | Guerin | EricBlade: you lie! |
| 07:02.34 | SavannahLion | If he is, I'm not aware of it |
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| 07:02.41 | jetscreamer | seems to me there was a nemisis who like to hack on q3 |
| 07:02.45 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 07:02.51 | Phated | EricBlade: Ehm... On a 21"? |
| 07:02.58 | eps | I'm hungry :( |
| 07:02.58 | Guerin | no, on a 19" |
| 07:03.01 | Phated | Ah. |
| 07:03.06 | EricBlade | hmm |
| 07:03.07 | eps | silly linux isn't smart enough to feed me |
| 07:03.13 | SavannahLion | jetscreamer: I don't play Q3 much anyways. Haven't gotten around to installing it on Linux |
| 07:03.15 | Phated | Maybe he isn't using metric? |
| 07:03.16 | jetscreamer | eps: yes it is |
| 07:03.19 | EricBlade | good lord my web browser display space is huge |
| 07:03.26 | eps | jetscreamer what package do I need? |
| 07:03.27 | jetscreamer | eps: you have to configure it |
| 07:03.36 | jetscreamer | he comes those reboots |
| 07:03.40 | peterS | yeah, fun fun |
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| 07:04.00 | EricBlade | now i'm just measuring the glass |
| 07:04.03 | nevyn | nagual: punch IBM nazguls into google and check the adwords ;) |
| 07:04.03 | peterS | bye everybody, in case I don't see you again for the next 20 minutes or so while the ircop maintenance is going on |
| 07:04.13 | jetscreamer | eps: you'll have to adapt this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Coffee.html |
| 07:04.16 | SavannahLion | eps: Linus defines hacker in "The Hacker Ethic." But I'd rather just avoid a long discussion about white hats vs black hats |
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| 07:04.26 | EricBlade | jesus |
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| 07:04.31 | streuner | !netsplit |
| 07:04.31 | dpkg | it has been said that netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 07:04.32 | EricBlade | how about i read "36" by "27" |
| 07:04.33 | EricBlade | lol |
| 07:04.37 | peterS | SavannahLion: yeah, it's a tiresome thing to argue about at the best of times |
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| 07:05.30 | EricBlade | i didn't see the red marks... god i'm a moran |
| 07:05.30 | nagual | nevyn: i didnt get any ads witht that |
| 07:05.39 | peterS | EricBlade: 36x27 is at least a 4:3 aspect ratio. that makes it a bit more believeable |
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| 07:05.39 | SavannahLion | I'm more interested in getting feedback from the port of the library and the package |
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| 07:05.40 | Guerin | 360x270mm sounds reasonable |
| 07:05.40 | EricBlade | lol ok, i'll remember how dumb this evening has been :) i just turned 29, i'm allowed to be a moron |
| 07:05.43 | SavannahLion | Damn it. |
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| 07:05.43 | nevyn | nagual: Searching for a Lawyer? |
| 07:05.45 | nevyn | Find Australian Lawyers & Law Firms |
| 07:05.45 | nevyn | Free Service - Comprehensive |
| 07:05.50 | Guerin | lunchi! |
| 07:05.58 | streuner | EricBlade: its sunday... |
| 07:06.06 | jetscreamer | damn i don't get any ads from google i feel bad! |
| 07:06.11 | jetscreamer | oh wait, no i don't |
| 07:06.11 | EricBlade | so, if i enter 360 270 in DisplaySize, things should get a little more legible? |
| 07:06.19 | nagual | nevyn: hehe |
| 07:06.29 | peterS | SavannahLion: most irc clients can do the moral equivalent of '/ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS' |
| 07:06.52 | SavannahLion | Thanks I'llhave to research that then |
| 07:06.56 | peterS | EricBlade: might or might not be more legible, but your apps now know just what your DPI really is, so. |
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| 07:08.05 | EricBlade | awesome. brb. |
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| 07:09.22 | SavannahLion | Anyhow, if anyone is interested in helping with some sort of feedback, the library port is at my website. |
| 07:09.36 | SavannahLion | I would really appreciate it. |
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| 07:09.48 | EricBlade | ok, did not help one bit. still blurry and tiny. hmm |
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| 07:10.57 | EricBlade | jeebus i've got an assload of screenspace |
| 07:10.57 | EricBlade | lol |
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| 07:13.49 | EricBlade | omg black on white is so incredibly difficult to read ugh |
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| 08:44.52 | jseattle | hey guys...what is an optimal partition size for ubuntu on a 20 Gb drive? |
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| 08:45.02 | deadcat | jseattle: #ubuntu |
| 08:45.03 | macbobby | heyho...is it possible to connect to the internet with a cablemodem per USB? |
| 08:45.06 | jseattle | i have 14 Gb as Win 2000 and 6 Gb as ubuntu |
| 08:45.13 | pngwn | heh |
| 08:45.17 | sussudio | !lart jseattle |
| 08:45.24 | deadcat | i knew this guy is not debian (= |
| 08:45.34 | TwistedEmotions | dementrio: your probably misreading something or missing a file somewhere |
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| 08:45.48 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.51 | TwistedEmotions | Errr.. |
| 08:46.01 | deadcat | damn ubuntu user trying to get us in trouble with pirate starwars3 |
| 08:46.01 | TwistedEmotions | Anyways... gnite guys. |
| 08:46.06 | jseattle | i am going to bed...will talk manana |
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| 08:46.13 | jseattle | later ya'll |
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| 08:46.26 | Guerin | itym mañana |
| 08:46.33 | zakame | jseattle: will talk about something else |
| 08:47.17 | Phated | He'5 back! |
| 08:47.27 | paulswm | No bots :( |
| 08:47.45 | thomas_adam | You'll live. |
| 08:47.51 | r3m | a PS2 mouse without a scroll lock button is PS2 or IMPS2 |
| 08:48.02 | Phated | There's badgers, anyway. |
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| 08:48.22 | thomas_adam | r3m: The mouse protocol is not dependent on no. of buttons. |
| 08:48.23 | deadcat | ps2 |
| 08:48.44 | mhall | lol |
| 08:48.45 | r3m | its /dev/psaux? |
| 08:48.50 | deadcat | yes |
| 08:48.52 | thomas_adam | r3m: That would be ps2, yes. |
| 08:48.56 | mhall | dementrio: ok, have a look at dmesg |
| 08:49.11 | r3m | the log file for xfree said that dont exist, what is the command? |
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| 08:49.25 | mhall | shit wtf is up with this wireless |
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| 08:49.38 | deadcat | r3m: modprobe psmouse ? |
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| 08:49.43 | mhall | i even have high gain antennae connected and it's only 50 foot gap |
| 08:49.44 | mhall | ! |
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| 08:49.54 | deadcat | mhall: crappy card |
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| 08:50.19 | Guerin | mhall: http://usbwifi.orcon.net.nz/ |
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| 08:50.46 | deadcat | Guerin: that is shit. DONT work. |
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| 08:51.05 | Mash | hello |
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| 08:51.15 | Guerin | deadcat: you didn't do it properly |
| 08:51.20 | r3m | deadcat ok last error is "no core pointer" ? |
| 08:51.21 | deadcat | Guerin: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/wireless/free.dsl.trial/ waste of my friend's $5 |
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| 08:51.32 | deadcat | r3m: no clue |
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| 08:51.54 | Guerin | deadcat: because it sure as shit works for those boys from my hometown, who used it to pick up connections from near my old housr on mount vic to the hutt valley on the other side of the harbour |
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| 08:52.05 | r3m | deadcat um ok |
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| 08:52.33 | Guerin | r3m: does your XF86config-4 have a core pointer defined? |
| 08:52.33 | deadcat | Guerin: i think is all in their head. |
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| 08:52.41 | Guerin | deadcat: not just my head. |
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| 08:53.02 | deadcat | Guerin: does mine look right? |
| 08:53.07 | Guerin | deadcat: i can't help it if you didn't get it working because you're too stupid :) |
| 08:53.15 | paulswm | o.O |
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| 08:53.18 | Guerin | deadcat: I've not done it, i've only seen it in action. |
| 08:53.32 | Guerin | i don't own any wifi gear |
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| 08:54.10 | r3m | Guerin I setting up X via debconf i fill all question like the tutorial on linuxlaptop for mine.. |
| 08:54.13 | paulswm | You can stop the wireless transmissions in your head by wrapping it in aluminum foil. |
| 08:54.16 | peterS | Phated: yes, I returned. I was trying to be so clever with moving my computer from one desk to another without disturbing either the computer, the DSL modem, the power strip, the keyboard, the mouse, or in particular any of the cables between them. I succeeded, only to bump the power strip switch *after* everything was in place |
| 08:54.16 | r3m | i dont see a question about pointer |
| 08:54.31 | Guerin | deadcat: you realise you can't just take any random bit of kit and tape a wifi dongle to it - you actually have to make sure your kit is the right shape, etc. |
| 08:54.33 | Phated | peterS: Tut. |
| 08:54.42 | peterS | and I felt so clever until that happened |
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| 08:54.43 | Phated | peterS: Talk about tripping at the finish line, eh. |
| 08:54.48 | deadcat | Guerin: oh (= hhehe. |
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| 08:55.01 | Guerin | r3m: ok, you're doing right, then. WHat have you tried for 'device'? |
| 08:55.07 | _Dodger_ | mornin |
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| 08:55.53 | r3m | guerin its ok thanks |
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| 08:56.08 | Guerin | r3m: ? |
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| 08:56.38 | r3m | i typed the deadcat command, modprobe psmouse |
| 08:56.41 | r3m | and now that work |
| 08:56.46 | Guerin | oh, that was my next idea :) |
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| 08:56.54 | r3m | ;p |
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| 08:57.23 | Wan | asyo |
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| 08:58.26 | zakame | heh |
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| 08:59.28 | coll | dpkg isnt here? |
| 08:59.33 | Guerin | nope |
| 08:59.40 | Guerin | badgers knows what dpkg does, though |
| 08:59.40 | badgers | Guerin: no idea |
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| 08:59.45 | Guerin | yes, you do |
| 08:59.54 | coll | i need to check out the /msg dpkg woody>sarge cause i want to upgrade :p |
| 09:00.04 | Guerin | so ask badgers |
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| 09:00.12 | coll | badgers? |
| 09:00.23 | Guerin | yes, badgers |
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| 09:01.02 | portahex | !badgers |
| 09:01.03 | badgers | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !! |
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| 09:01.26 | coll | oh ok |
| 09:01.28 | coll | im seeing it |
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| 09:01.38 | Guerin | coll: where are the rockets? |
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| 09:01.59 | coll | coll: the nitroglicerin ones? |
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| 09:02.23 | Guerin | the ones which mean that this is rocket science, not basic irc technique :) |
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| 09:02.30 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:02.35 | Guerin | !wb |
| 09:02.35 | dpkg | thanks, guerin. It's good to be back. |
| 09:02.36 | badgers | thanks, guerin. It's good to be back. |
| 09:02.45 | coll | :) |
| 09:02.52 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 09:02.52 | badgers | paulswm: aw, gee |
| 09:02.53 | dpkg | paulswm: thanks |
| 09:03.00 | r3m | i can erase the file in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 09:03.10 | ubik` | apt-get clean |
| 09:03.12 | Guerin | r3m: use apt-get clean |
| 09:03.16 | r3m | thanks |
| 09:03.21 | portahex | !dachs coll |
| 09:03.21 | portahex | hmph :( |
| 09:03.22 | dpkg | coll: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 09:03.23 | badgers | coll: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 09:03.27 | coll | heh |
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| 09:03.49 | scytheman | wtf? |
| 09:03.53 | paulswm | Now we have echoing bots, great |
| 09:04.07 | juanmals | Does anybody know about any application that can detect in which network am i connected and load the config for that nework? |
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| 09:04.22 | coll | should i be doing the apt-get update and afterwards the apt-get dist-upgrade from console or something? cause im assuming its installing new versions of kde/gnome and im in gnome as for the moment |
| 09:04.40 | Guerin | juanmals: i wrote a shell script which brings up your eth interfaces accoring to profiles which you define |
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| 09:04.58 | juanmals | Can I get ir from somewhere Guerin? |
| 09:05.00 | Guerin | it's very simplistic, because i have simplistic needs, but you can probably haxxor it |
| 09:05.04 | Bazzi | coll: works anyway. |
| 09:05.12 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/ethup |
| 09:05.24 | Pasamio | Guerin: set at boot time? |
| 09:05.25 | coll | ok then |
| 09:05.42 | Guerin | Pasamio: could do. |
| 09:05.46 | coll | i changed my 3 sources in sources.lst to sarge, i guess im ready to begin with update and dist-upgrade |
| 09:05.55 | coll | anything important i should know about? |
| 09:06.16 | Pasamio | because a mate of mine (with a lappy) has his set so that he has it set as a kernel param for his grub list, and that switches his network config |
| 09:06.31 | Guerin | Pasamio: that's nifty. |
| 09:06.39 | juanmals | But how do you check in the script where are u connected Guerin? |
| 09:06.52 | H202 | coll: first make a backup |
| 09:07.03 | coll | i've got one of all .conf files i need |
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| 09:07.30 | Guerin | juanmals: you edit the script to suit your needs and then you run it with (say) ethup home, and it reads the config you've defined for 'home' and brings up your eth with that config. |
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| 09:07.51 | Guerin | i wront it because I'm too stupid to get the same thing working using ifupdown |
| 09:07.58 | Guerin | wrote it, even |
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| 09:08.15 | coll | well apt-get update is finished, i guess we're ready for the big upgrade now |
| 09:08.34 | H202 | cool: good luck |
| 09:08.49 | juanmals | ok, but I heard about a way to discover in wich network you are connected, It checked if a MAC adrress exists wheter you are connected and loads the config |
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| 09:09.06 | coll | 319 upgrades, 200 newly installed heh |
| 09:09.13 | coll | 272mb of downloading - im up for it :) |
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| 09:09.22 | Guerin | oh, yeah |
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| 09:09.27 | Guerin | bound to be something like that |
| 09:09.31 | r3m | somebody code with gtk+ |
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| 09:09.48 | coll | is it getting 2.6.x kernel also? |
| 09:09.57 | portahex | no. |
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| 09:10.05 | scytheman | coll, you do not need to make a backup of your configs, apt won't overwrite them (or it will ask you) |
| 09:10.18 | portahex | if you want a 2.6 kernel, aptitude install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 09:10.29 | coll | scytheman: i know but i decided to upload to my ftp a copy of them just incase |
| 09:10.35 | coll | okie |
| 09:10.44 | coll | and sarge is now full blown with security updates, right? |
| 09:10.51 | H202 | yes |
| 09:10.54 | coll | awesome |
| 09:11.11 | coll | oh guys you have to hear this out |
| 09:11.18 | coll | anyone heard of dsl? (damn small linux) |
| 09:11.39 | zakame | used it once |
| 09:11.53 | kjparker | !java install |
| 09:11.59 | juanmals | I found it guerin, a way to discover the network with mac checkings |
| 09:12.03 | portahex | !java-package |
| 09:12.03 | dpkg | [java-package] the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. apt-get ... |
| 09:12.04 | badgers | man make-jpkg |
| 09:12.14 | coll | so i have this old laptop of mine (p2 200mhz with 32mb ram) which like no distro could be installed on it with a fine-smooth runing xserver so i was trying that damn small linux distro the other day and it's *amazing* |
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| 09:12.32 | portahex | moff. |
| 09:12.37 | peterS | coll: is it really DS? |
| 09:12.42 | coll | its got my entire hardware configured - sound, ethernet, everything |
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| 09:12.54 | Guerin | peterS: it fits on a bizcard |
| 09:13.06 | coll | yeah its like 50mb live-cd but i got it to install on the hard drive and im using apt-get to get everything i need (i forgot to mention it's debian based :) ) |
| 09:13.33 | Guerin | juanmals: what? |
| 09:13.36 | coll | dont forget we're talking about 32mb of ram and x is runing on it really smooth. as if it was xp on a 1gb of ram (for real) |
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| 09:13.51 | coll | just thought id share this with you |
| 09:14.17 | juanmals | http://yo.dan.free.fr/profils-reseau.phtml.en a way to load the network config, by checking if a mac does exist where you are connected |
| 09:14.18 | Phated | What wm, though? |
| 09:14.19 | coll | if anyone is thinking about a distro for his old 486 runing on 16mb and wants x, then thats the way to go |
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| 09:14.38 | coll | Phated: its runing fluxbox |
| 09:14.46 | Phated | Ah, cool. |
| 09:14.53 | coll | yeah its awesome |
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| 09:15.05 | coll | indeed a distro to check out |
| 09:15.07 | Phated | Fluxbox is cool. |
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| 09:15.18 | coll | im gonna get a wireless lan and go wardriving hehe |
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| 09:15.51 | bob2 | zope is so amazingly badly documented |
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| 09:16.07 | coll | isnt that a awebserver? |
| 09:16.18 | bob2 | it's a web application server thing |
| 09:16.22 | bob2 | which does include a webserver |
| 09:16.28 | coll | ahh |
| 09:16.37 | bob2 | and it's fucking amazing, but the sample code doesn't even run |
| 09:16.45 | bob2 | which does make it hard to start off with |
| 09:16.59 | coll | i was thinking a couple of times of creating front-end configuration gui tools for the end user for stuff like proftpd, apache etc |
| 09:17.00 | kjparker | whats the simplest way to transfer a file between two linux boxen? |
| 09:17.08 | bob2 | kjparker: rsync |
| 09:17.14 | coll | ssh with uuencode heh |
| 09:17.21 | Guerin | scp |
| 09:17.34 | bob2 | rsync -azv filename user@remotehost:/path/to/where/to/put/it/ |
| 09:17.39 | Guerin | coll: hahaha |
| 09:17.46 | kjparker | thanks bob2 |
| 09:17.50 | coll | Guerin: thats an oldschool way :) |
| 09:17.54 | Guerin | coll: you're going to try to write a config util for something as complicated as httpd.conf |
| 09:17.58 | bob2 | rsync is faster than scp every time I've used it |
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| 09:18.13 | ste91 | coll: have you used fluxbox on a 486, is it usable? |
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| 09:18.36 | coll | Guerin: i was thinking about it. but for establishing that im gonna have to read oreilly's apache definitive and well... i need to get some time around doing that :) |
| 09:18.52 | bob2 | just read the config file on your machine |
| 09:18.52 | Guerin | coll: that's pure madness. |
| 09:18.56 | bob2 | and imagine usefully parsing it |
| 09:19.00 | bob2 | and being able to output it again |
| 09:19.04 | Guerin | every time |
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| 09:19.12 | Guerin | for arbitrarily complex configs |
| 09:19.12 | bob2 | once you stop sobbing, realise people will have to learn to edit config files |
| 09:19.16 | Guerin | like mine, for example |
| 09:19.18 | coll | ste91: havent tested it on a 486 but the guys on www.damnsmallinux.com did and it ran fine with slightly delays using the xserver |
| 09:19.48 | coll | ste91: though if you can get something like a p1 with 32ram then DSL will run spoiled on it |
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| 09:20.21 | coll | Guerin: yeah i wouldnt say its for advanced users. just for the new guys |
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| 09:20.39 | coll | Guerin: though admit, it's a good way |
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| 09:20.54 | Guerin | coll: no, it's not. |
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| 09:21.00 | coll | ahh ok |
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| 09:21.29 | Guerin | coll: it's what wrong with most OSen - they try to baby admins, instead of requiring them to take responsibility for understanding what they're doing. |
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| 09:21.55 | bob2 | awesome docs are more important than fragile gui tools |
| 09:21.56 | bob2 | imho |
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| 09:22.09 | Guerin | and apache does have great docs |
| 09:22.14 | Guerin | just for example |
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| 09:22.56 | sussudio | !test |
| 09:22.57 | dpkg | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
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| 09:22.57 | badgers | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 09:23.05 | jetscreamer | oh boo |
| 09:23.15 | Pasamio | the problem with stuff like windows is they have check boxes but no explanations |
| 09:23.29 | kjparker | hmm, need to install rsync! :( |
| 09:23.31 | Pasamio | this leads to admins ticking things that they don't know the effects of, since its easy |
| 09:23.32 | paulswm | !apostrophesmite kjparker |
| 09:23.39 | juanmals | !test |
| 09:23.39 | dpkg | No, juanmals, you're not online any more. |
| 09:23.57 | ste91 | a while back I put debian on a pIII 500 with kde and all its eye-candy ran a bit slugish, not too bad but seems a big gap if flux will be useble on a 486 how power do all those pretty buttons use up ;) |
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| 09:24.12 | jetscreamer | flux is lightweight |
| 09:24.20 | jetscreamer | kde has lots of background stuff? |
| 09:24.32 | Guerin | ste91: it's not the UI which makes kde slow - it's the underlying services which connect every bit of everything |
| 09:24.34 | Phated | KDE on a PIII 500 is minorly painful. Depends how much RAM you had, though. |
| 09:24.35 | jetscreamer | try icewm-lite if you're worried |
| 09:24.51 | jetscreamer | my kid has kde on a p3 550 w/256 it seems ok |
| 09:24.54 | Pasamio | or blackbox |
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| 09:24.57 | Guerin | naw, kde on a p3-500 is ok if you have more than 128 ram |
| 09:25.01 | jetscreamer | or is it 384 i forget |
| 09:25.04 | Phated | Or openbox. |
| 09:25.24 | Guerin | but practically anything else bar gnome is orders of magnitude faster |
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| 09:25.37 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 09:25.44 | jetscreamer | MemTotal: 321660 kB |
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| 09:25.51 | ste91 | I never really thought of all kdes background stuff it was a full install |
| 09:26.02 | ste91 | just 98MB ram |
| 09:26.11 | Guerin | yeah, that's pushing it |
| 09:26.20 | jetscreamer | icewm |
| 09:26.29 | jetscreamer | others |
| 09:26.30 | Phated | 64 was really pushing it. |
| 09:26.53 | peterS | Phated, do you have a real computer yet? I don't remember if I've ever heard |
| 09:27.00 | paulswm | o.O |
| 09:27.02 | Phated | peterS: I -do-! |
| 09:27.03 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:27.14 | Guerin | she has more ram than ME! |
| 09:27.17 | peterS | at least 65 MB of RAM, then? |
| 09:27.22 | Phated | peterS: *sulk* I moved to an AMD64 with a gig of RAM about two months ago. |
| 09:27.39 | peterS | Phated: I am glad to hear it. running it with 32-bit or 64-bit Debian? |
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| 09:27.46 | Phated | paulswm: 32. |
| 09:27.56 | peterS | so, official debian |
| 09:28.03 | Phated | Aye. |
| 09:28.03 | paulswm | !tabsmite Phated |
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| 09:28.14 | Phated | Oops. |
| 09:28.18 | paulswm | :D |
| 09:28.20 | Phated | Well, he got it, anyway. |
| 09:28.21 | peterS | not that dodgy amd64 port with the shifty characters like that dude from 30 miles away from me |
| 09:28.31 | Phated | Not that, no. |
| 09:28.36 | Guerin | wuss |
| 09:28.43 | Phated | Shutup, you. |
| 09:28.49 | Guerin | if I had an amd64 i'd run 64bit on it! |
| 09:29.00 | Phated | Sure. |
| 09:29.06 | [trueno] | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.08 | jetscreamer | soon |
| 09:29.11 | Guerin | it's like owning a porsche911 to drop your kids off at soccer practice |
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| 09:29.26 | jetscreamer | hell yeah, the kids like that |
| 09:29.31 | Guerin | [trueno]: i'll let you know in a moment |
| 09:29.50 | paulswm | Sticky chocolatey fingers all over that leather interior |
| 09:30.01 | jetscreamer | nobody said they could eat in the car |
| 09:30.08 | Phated | Mmm, chocolatey. |
| 09:30.11 | jetscreamer | lucky they get to sit down |
| 09:30.17 | Phated | I enjoy chocolate. |
| 09:30.20 | Guerin | [trueno]: nope |
| 09:30.28 | kjparker | does the rsync daemon need to be enabled for the file transfer to work? |
| 09:30.40 | peterS | white chocolate, now there's where it's at |
| 09:30.46 | jetscreamer | yuck |
| 09:30.47 | peterS | very few things are worse for you per gram |
| 09:30.50 | Phated | And it matches the leather, too! |
| 09:30.53 | jetscreamer | too rich for me |
| 09:30.57 | Guerin | than chocolate? you lie! |
| 09:31.04 | peterS | Guerin: than white chocolate |
| 09:31.12 | Guerin | oh, white |
| 09:31.16 | Guerin | yeah, f'sure |
| 09:31.23 | thomas_adam | Hmm. |
| 09:31.27 | peterS | it's like lard plus sugar |
| 09:31.27 | thomas_adam | Dark chocolate for me. |
| 09:31.31 | Guerin | and me |
| 09:31.38 | thomas_adam | Reminds me more of coffee. |
| 09:31.42 | peterS | I won't refuse dark chocolate, for sure. but white is better |
| 09:31.45 | paulswm | There are many things which can be fixed by the timely application of chocolate. |
| 09:31.50 | Phated | Milk chocolate for me. |
| 09:31.55 | peterS | wuss. |
| 09:31.55 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.01 | thomas_adam | Sex being one of them. |
| 09:32.05 | Phated | paulswm: Timely and copious. |
| 09:32.19 | Phated | You need chocolate to fix sex, thomas_adam? |
| 09:32.21 | peterS | hmmm, B ... A ... D ... something ... E R |
| 09:32.22 | Guerin | paulswm: many's the fight that's been ended by an offering of the brown stuff |
| 09:32.22 | thomas_adam | I wouldn't have said copious. |
| 09:32.26 | Guerin | chocolate, I mean |
| 09:32.32 | peterS | I wonder what the other letter is. sussudio is so unpredictable |
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| 09:32.43 | paulswm | Phated: Indeed. There is no such thing as too much chocolate - well, until you start feeling queasy, anyway. |
| 09:33.01 | Phated | paulswm: In which case you then switch to vanilla ice cream to take the edge off, and then continue! |
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| 09:33.08 | paulswm | YAY! |
| 09:33.12 | giupy | hi all |
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| 09:33.23 | Phated | Right, we're being silly now. |
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| 09:33.30 | Guerin | as opposed to normally |
| 09:33.35 | paulswm | Guerin: Yes, I've fixed some of those myself :) |
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| 09:33.44 | sussudio | Phated: -- -.-- -.. .- ..- ... & -- . .-.. .. -.-. . .--. ... |
| 09:33.50 | Phated | Eeeeeek, morse. |
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| 09:34.06 | Guerin | !morse -- -.-- -.. .- ..- ... & -- . .-.. .. -.-. . .--. ... |
| 09:34.10 | Guerin | damnit |
| 09:34.15 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:34.26 | peterS | M something D A something S & M E something I something E P S |
| 09:34.38 | peterS | this is like wheel of fortune |
| 09:34.43 | peterS | my mcode is *so* rusty |
| 09:34.43 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 09:35.20 | giupy | why when i try create a cd audio or datacd it is unreadble for the same pc and stereo and other pcs ? |
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| 09:35.32 | peterS | I've written a couple of morse codecs in my life, one of them is on p12n.org/hacks/ I think |
| 09:35.44 | paulswm | All I know is ditditdit dahdahdah ditditdit anyway |
| 09:35.46 | Guerin | well |
| 09:35.56 | Guerin | the second word is meliceps, clearly |
| 09:36.03 | Phated | OH! Mydaus meliceps! |
| 09:36.06 | Guerin | which is badger in some language I can't remember |
| 09:36.10 | peterS | -- -.-- -.. .- ..- ... & -- . .-.. .. |
| 09:36.11 | sussudio | !win Phated |
| 09:36.11 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:36.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, Phated! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 09:36.11 | peterS | -- -.-- -.. .- ..- ... & -- . .-.. .. |
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| 09:36.14 | Guerin | there we go |
| 09:36.15 | peterS | oy |
| 09:36.21 | juanmals | !test |
| 09:36.21 | dpkg | Sorry, juanmals, I didn't get your test. |
| 09:36.32 | peterS | Phated: see, I never would have guessed that |
| 09:36.42 | Phated | peterS: Oh, hush. |
| 09:36.48 | peterS | I wouldn't have |
| 09:36.55 | Phated | It's one of the sgsmites. |
| 09:37.03 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 09:37.08 | Phated | Even though I have stated, clearly, several times, that we do NOT have badgers here! |
| 09:37.09 | nunez | Is there a way to convert a winamp playlist to an xmms playlist? |
| 09:37.23 | peterS | how do you know you do not have badgers? they can be kind of tricksy |
| 09:37.27 | bob2 | nunez: they're the same, afaik |
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| 09:37.35 | silverton | okay...herrs my pickle... |
| 09:37.42 | Phated | peterS: I just do. |
| 09:37.48 | paulswm | There has to be a morse page somewhere, then we can answer all questions in Morse on Sundays, certainly wouldn't be any crazier than a normal Sunday. |
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| 09:37.53 | kjparker | !test |
| 09:37.53 | dpkg | Sorry, kjparker, I didn't get your test. |
| 09:38.00 | peterS | paulswm: like I said, I have a codec on p12n.org/hacks/ I'm pretty sure |
| 09:38.01 | Guerin | there are badgers in malaysia, so there must be some in singsing too |
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| 09:38.08 | jetscreamer | there is probably a morse 'translation' page |
| 09:38.14 | silverton | fresh net-install of Debian Sarge... I log in, (change nothing) restart, and when I get back in, I have a problem with X |
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| 09:38.16 | Phated | It's not as though they SWIM around or anything. |
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| 09:38.45 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 09:38.45 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 09:38.57 | jetscreamer | silverton: ^^^ |
| 09:38.59 | paulswm | Phated: Perhaps they could come across the causeway at JB |
| 09:39.00 | silverton | hmm.... thanks |
| 09:39.04 | silverton | I'll try the mousedev |
| 09:39.13 | sussudio | In common with most mammals badgers are able to swim, but they usually try to avoid doing so. They will go out of their way to make use of bridges across streams and rivers, and will utilise fallen trees if available. Instances have been reported of badgers making use of a suitable tree fallen across a stream over many years, to the point where the bark was worn away and the top surface polished smooth by the passage of feet over many years. But there are also |
| 09:39.17 | jetscreamer | try psmouse if that doesn't work |
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| 09:39.26 | Phated | paulswm: I've not heard reports of them casually strolling along it. There's another one now, though, at Tuas. |
| 09:39.42 | silverton | mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 09:39.46 | peterS | jetscreamer: lack of psmouse won't prevent X from starting. it'll just prevent it from receiving PS/2 mouse inputs |
| 09:39.50 | silverton | ^^^^ output from modprobe mousedev |
| 09:39.50 | peterS | silverton: right, that's normal |
| 09:39.59 | silverton | try starting X again? |
| 09:40.04 | peterS | yes |
| 09:40.06 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 09:40.09 | paulswm | Phated: They prolly aren't carrying the proper papers anyway |
| 09:40.18 | Phated | paulswm: Exactly. |
| 09:40.21 | jetscreamer | peterS: i've seen this behavior many times with a d-i install |
| 09:40.26 | silverton | yay! |
| 09:40.30 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 09:40.31 | silverton | it worked! |
| 09:40.35 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 09:40.39 | peterS | jetscreamer: lack of 'mousedev' will cause X not to start. lack of 'psmouse' will not. |
| 09:40.40 | silverton | \m/ |
| 09:40.47 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 09:40.52 | jetscreamer | i can read now |
| 09:40.56 | silverton | so, how do I get mousedev to load on boot? or should it now? |
| 09:41.04 | jetscreamer | put it in /etc/modules |
| 09:41.11 | silverton | how do I "put" it there? |
| 09:41.16 | jetscreamer | nano |
| 09:41.18 | peterS | jetscreamer: psmouse feeds data to mousedev which feeds it to X. X has no way of knowing whether mousedev has got any modules feeding it data - it just knows whether or not it is hooked up at all |
| 09:41.20 | Guerin | echo |
| 09:41.24 | jetscreamer | there's another way but i don't know it |
| 09:41.32 | jetscreamer | echo something |
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| 09:41.46 | Guerin | echo -e "mousedev\npsmouse" >> /etc/modules |
| 09:41.47 | juanmals | !debian |
| 09:41.47 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 09:41.53 | peterS | well, I shouldn't say it has *no* way of knowing. just, it doesn't go to the trouble of finding out (: |
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| 09:42.03 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.08 | Guerin | jetscreamer: yes |
| 09:42.09 | peterS | jetscreamer: \n means newline in 'echo -e' |
| 09:42.15 | silverton | Guerin: thank you! |
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| 09:42.22 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 09:42.27 | Guerin | no wuckin' furries |
| 09:42.28 | jetscreamer | that |
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| 09:42.44 | silverton | I had debian installed on this box about a month and a half ago, and I didn't have this issue |
| 09:42.44 | Phated | More furries? |
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| 09:42.50 | paulswm | !spoonerize Guerin |
| 09:42.50 | silverton | and nothing has changed since that time either |
| 09:42.52 | lamp_ | i have some problems with my just installed sarge system when i start gnome i get a error he can not activate xkb config |
| 09:42.54 | juanmals | has anybody tried a translator called reddo? |
| 09:42.56 | peterS | Guerin: oh dear, not the wuckin' furries again. they were here before I dropped off the net a few hours ago courtesy of all the reboots |
| 09:43.16 | Guerin | peterS: i remember |
| 09:43.23 | Guerin | they were wuckin' all over the place |
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| 09:43.26 | jetscreamer | silverton: it's a d-i issue |
| 09:43.34 | silverton | er... my mouse doesn't work in the gui >.< |
| 09:43.38 | peterS | they wucked up the whole channel |
| 09:43.45 | Guerin | peterS: wuckers |
| 09:43.46 | peterS | silverton: PS/2 or USB port mouse? |
| 09:43.59 | silverton | USB connected to a PS/2 converter |
| 09:44.02 | silverton | for my KVM switch |
| 09:44.06 | kjparker | hmm, either i'm seriously lagged or this channel has stopped... |
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| 09:44.14 | toresbe | kjparker: You're lagged :P |
| 09:44.14 | peterS | silverton: so PS/2. the computer doesn't care if it's natively USB (: so, load the 'usbhid' module |
| 09:44.22 | peterS | silverton: eh, disregard |
| 09:44.22 | juanmals | !reddo |
| 09:44.26 | peterS | silverton: I meant the 'psmouse' module |
| 09:44.31 | jetscreamer | the channel died, you're not lagged |
| 09:44.38 | silverton | oh... |
| 09:44.43 | silverton | heh... |
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| 09:44.59 | peterS | silverton: psmouse, as you might guess from the name, handles all PS/2 mice on behalf of the mousedev module you already loaded |
| 09:45.01 | sussudio | in soviet russia, channel kills you |
| 09:45.06 | silverton | joy! It works again :D |
| 09:45.18 | silverton | should I echo psmouse to /etc/modules ? |
| 09:45.22 | Guerin | no |
| 09:45.26 | silverton | ok |
| 09:45.30 | Guerin | you did that with the command I gave you before |
| 09:45.38 | Guerin | i thought you'd already loaded that module |
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| 09:45.40 | silverton | OH! yeah...okay |
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| 09:46.05 | H202 | how often do you reboot a server? do you leave it running for months or do you reboot? |
| 09:46.10 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.10 | jetscreamer | ah so psmouse wasn't loaded? |
| 09:46.13 | jetscreamer | months |
| 09:46.15 | HansZ | Hi there.. I'm trying to get my Wifi RT2500 working with ndiswrapper.. I can ping my AP, I can ping to any web-address.. however While downloading anything from the NET, i get IRQ Errors |
| 09:46.16 | silverton | it's too early in the morning |
| 09:46.19 | silverton | jetscreamer: it is now |
| 09:46.24 | peterS | H202: leave it running until there's an actual reason to reboot, like adding a PCI card |
| 09:46.24 | jetscreamer | cool |
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| 09:46.40 | silverton | the mouse works in gui... so I'm gonna get xchat installed... |
| 09:46.42 | silverton | be back in a few |
| 09:46.44 | bob2 | H202: or to upgrade the kernel |
| 09:46.46 | peterS | H202: or a kernel security upgrade, which does happen on occasion. kernel upgrades are the one upgrade you can't do without rebooting |
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| 09:46.49 | jetscreamer | get irssi while you're at it |
| 09:46.52 | jetscreamer | also |
| 09:46.56 | bob2 | which is something you need to do more often than every few months nowadays, sadly |
| 09:46.59 | HansZ | help... |
| 09:47.29 | peterS | bob2: these things come in waves - people take an interest in auditing the kernel and voila, stuff gets found over the next several months. I have faint hopes that it'll die down |
| 09:47.33 | jetscreamer | !help HansZ |
| 09:47.53 | bob2 | peterS: isec.pl apparently has a long attention span for such things |
| 09:47.54 | jetscreamer | [04.47.36] <dpkg> no help on hansz. Use 'help' without arguments. |
| 09:47.59 | HansZ | I already told my question dude |
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| 09:48.04 | jetscreamer | o |
| 09:48.07 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
| 09:48.17 | kjparker | are we having server problems right now? |
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| 09:48.26 | peterS | bob2: well, perhaps. we'll see. I'm not *that* hopeful |
| 09:48.54 | H202 | peterS: my friend's company reboots all servers every sunday, because some consultant told them to - he claimed "possible library incompatibilities", "memory cleaning", ... |
| 09:49.24 | bob2 | H202: tell them their consultant is a moron |
| 09:49.27 | jetscreamer | sounds like windows |
| 09:49.29 | peterS | H202: debian takes care of library incompatibilities for the most part without problems. 'memory cleaning' is the kernel's job and the linux kernel is pretty good at it |
| 09:49.35 | HansZ | Hi there.. I'm trying to get my Wifi RT2500 working with ndiswrapper.. I can ping my AP, I can ping to any web-address.. however While downloading anything from the NET, i get IRQ Errors |
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| 09:49.46 | kjparker | that's not entirely unreasonable for a windows server... |
| 09:50.02 | Bazzi | if you run software with memleaks all over ;) |
| 09:50.04 | bob2 | H202: sometimes you might need to restart some services when updating packages |
| 09:50.13 | H202 | peterS: most problems I had were related to rebooting, like hard drive failing on reboot and similar |
| 09:50.15 | peterS | H202: until I hit my power strip's power button tonight, I had racked up an uptime somewhere in the neighborhood of 70-80 days. on another machine I control I just hit the half-year mark |
| 09:50.16 | ciaron | how can i view all connections to my machine, including banwidth each is using? |
| 09:50.18 | bob2 | e.g. security issues in libc6 might be worth a reboot |
| 09:50.31 | bob2 | ciaron: you can't |
| 09:50.42 | H202 | ciaron: iptraf |
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| 09:50.46 | kjparker | peters: our bsd proxy at the office, just hit 200 days... |
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| 09:50.57 | SiliconViper | peterS, http://blackdragon.whatthefork.org/serverinfo/ <-- I've got a decent uptime. |
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| 09:51.16 | _joey | BSD is the suck |
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| 09:51.32 | bob2 | +5, insightful |
| 09:51.32 | peterS | kjparker: I used to babysit RS/6000s at my old job, running AIX 4.1 or 4.3. those things ran *forever* if you didn't tamper with them by (usually) loading an unstable graphics driver. one dusty server in a corner went well over a year when I noticed it |
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| 09:51.40 | silverton | :D |
| 09:51.57 | _joey | AIX stands for ain't unix |
| 09:52.07 | Guerin | it's MORE dangerous to reboot servers weekly than to leave the running, unless they never, ever change |
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| 09:52.25 | peterS | _joey: you're going by AIX 3. you should try AIX 4.3 some time. it's thoroughly POSIX, although it still has many of its own idiosyncracies |
| 09:52.28 | jcm | hi, I have pbs with bind as slave on sarge. Seems that rndc cannot connect with named. syslog shows ' couldn't add command channel 127.0.0.1#953: address in use' on named start. How can I find which service already uses 953 ? |
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| 09:52.45 | _joey | peterS whos cares about POSIX |
| 09:52.52 | jetscreamer | mute him |
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| 09:52.55 | _joey | I don't |
| 09:53.08 | _joey | whom ? |
| 09:53.14 | jetscreamer | you of course |
| 09:53.16 | peterS | _joey: app developers and people who try to compile random software on the machine care. and sysadmins care. if you used AIX 3 and then used AIX 4.3, you'd appreciate POSIX too |
| 09:53.19 | jetscreamer | i'm not blind |
| 09:53.22 | _joey | jetscreamer why? |
| 09:53.27 | jetscreamer | see above |
| 09:53.29 | peterS | _joey: from your remarks I'm starting to suspect you've never used AIX 3 or any other wildly unposix unix box |
| 09:53.33 | _joey | go away jetscreamer |
| 09:53.45 | jetscreamer | now sing it |
| 09:53.51 | _joey | what's happening to freenode ? |
| 09:53.59 | _joey | especially on this channel |
| 09:54.00 | bob2 | _joey: please? |
| 09:54.02 | Pasamio | i dunno, what? |
| 09:54.11 | llama32 | anyone know of a mildly popular OS that had some apps written in C? im looking for an API to clone/port to linux... |
| 09:54.23 | ciaron | H202: just what i wanted, cheers |
| 09:54.30 | peterS | llama32: huh? what's the point of this exercise? |
| 09:54.52 | _joey | peterS I didn't use AIX but aix for ain't unix is only a joke |
| 09:54.53 | jetscreamer | i take it you don't want windows |
| 09:55.01 | jetscreamer | for the port |
| 09:55.01 | peterS | so, is H202 an extremely heavy isotope of hydrogen, or is it really peroxide (H2O2)? |
| 09:55.03 | H202 | ciaron: OK, there are also many settings that are useful in iptraf |
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| 09:55.06 | _joey | I did use Solaris , never liked it and installed NetBSD instead |
| 09:55.12 | dondelelcaro | peterS: that's hydrogen peroxide |
| 09:55.37 | peterS | _joey: no it's not. in the AIX 3 days it was *rightly* cursed as being so different from everybody else. this was a PITA all around. AIX 4.x was a great improvement because IBM decided they had to look more like real unix |
| 09:55.39 | dondelelcaro | peterS: D2O or T2O is duterated water and tritiated water, respectively |
| 09:55.49 | dondelelcaro | peterS: which is usually what people mean when they talk about heavy water |
| 09:56.00 | dondelelcaro | (the later being radioactive, the former merely heavy) |
| 09:56.06 | peterS | dondelelcaro: if I knew that H2O2 was 'peroxide' did you not think I knew that was properly 'hydrogen peroxide'? |
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| 09:56.17 | llama32 | peterS: mainly boredome, interest in old OSs and something to show my computer studies teacher |
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| 09:56.24 | _joey | well, does it come with all nice free software? or do you have to port it yourself ? |
| 09:56.25 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I'm just trying to imagine an isotope H202, which is the guy's nick. it's a little farfetched, I'll grant you |
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| 09:56.56 | dondelelcaro | peterS: oh. well, I could imagine ^2H2O if that helps... |
| 09:57.03 | dondelelcaro | or rather ^2H_2O |
| 09:57.03 | peterS | heh |
| 09:57.10 | nunez | Is there a way to convert a winamp playlist to an xmms playlist? |
| 09:57.15 | peterS | that's heavy, man |
| 09:57.16 | H202 | peterS: it's 202, nothing related to chemistry |
| 09:57.34 | peterS | H202: something like the industrial band F242? |
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| 09:58.39 | liable | !test |
| 09:58.39 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you're still online. |
| 09:58.44 | liable | cool :) |
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| 09:59.03 | peterS | liable: sometimes the bot lies, though. I wouldn't be *sure* you're online if I were you |
| 09:59.27 | liable | hehe, but i *am* :) |
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| 09:59.36 | liable | or am I ? |
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| 09:59.50 | Overand | hm. |
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| 10:00.52 | liable | peterS: I actually just got back after an overflow, and had to reconnect, so. |
| 10:00.57 | peterS | liable: yeah |
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| 10:01.10 | _joey | has anyone run used linux in token ring networks ? |
| 10:01.14 | liable | peterS: which was like 3 hours ago |
| 10:01.25 | sussudio | !anyone |
| 10:01.25 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:01.32 | peterS | _joey: a friend of mine runs a TR network at home. he must like pain |
| 10:01.48 | _joey | peterS :) |
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| 10:02.07 | sussudio | peterS: i can confirm trying to run token ring under linux is about as enjoyable as getting left covered in peanutbutter and waiting for the badgers to come. |
| 10:02.13 | _joey | it only does 4Mbps and 16MMbps |
| 10:02.23 | _joey | peterS is he using linux in this env ? |
| 10:02.25 | peterS | _joey: further proof of the pain theory: last I heard, he was NATing one home network to another, and NATing that to the outside world. so his inside network was double-NATed. and apparently this worked |
| 10:02.30 | peterS | _joey: yes |
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| 10:02.51 | _joey | peterS it's not for production, only for educational purposes |
| 10:02.57 | peterS | sussudio: I'm sure you know what that feels like. I can only imagine badgers and peanut butter on the skin |
| 10:03.00 | _joey | I'd run ethernet for everything else |
| 10:03.36 | sussudio | _joey: don't even try running anything but madge tr nics with linux. |
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| 10:04.39 | _joey | madge ? |
| 10:04.46 | sussudio | yes, it's a brand. |
| 10:04.53 | _joey | I don't have a lot of cnoice nobody is selling the cards |
| 10:04.59 | _joey | is IBM any good ? |
| 10:05.03 | sussudio | no. |
| 10:05.16 | sussudio | nobody sells tr cards. you can get them for free. |
| 10:05.23 | sussudio | everybody dumped them. |
| 10:05.24 | _joey | where from ? |
| 10:05.29 | sussudio | try large companies. |
| 10:05.37 | sussudio | ebay. |
| 10:05.39 | sussudio | stuff like that. |
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| 10:05.46 | sussudio | or just don't and use ethernet. |
| 10:05.47 | _joey | nothing on ebay in our country |
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| 10:05.54 | _joey | pcmcia , one pci from ibm |
| 10:06.13 | _joey | I'd put ms windows box if it's not going to work on linux |
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| 10:06.54 | sussudio | you can get 10/100 ethernet cards for about 5-10 euro. why bother with token ring |
| 10:07.19 | _joey | I don't need ethernet. I've got stacks of them |
| 10:07.28 | _joey | I found cheap cisco routers but |
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| 10:07.54 | _joey | the only way to get to them is over console or token ring |
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| 10:08.13 | coll | just wondering if one of you ever encountered in a tool that can display .ppt (powerpoint) presentations besides of the linux office suite |
| 10:08.57 | sussudio | i hope not. powerpoint is for idiots. |
| 10:09.23 | Pasamio | i'd like to see a tool that displays powerpoint apart from the windows office suite :p |
| 10:09.31 | H202 | openoffice |
| 10:09.49 | H202 | export ppt to gif/png |
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| 10:11.16 | peterS | that's a crappy solution. even if it works, vector to raster is never the answer |
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| 10:11.32 | peterS | exporting to a PDF would at least make some sense, since PDF is vector-oriented |
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| 10:12.42 | dondelelcaro | esp. since pdf has most of the stuff to do presentations built in |
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| 10:14.09 | Pasamio | pdf exports to a page based format, doesn't gif/png export to multiple images? |
| 10:14.56 | bpa | is there anything in debian that can extract content / mount .bin (as in bin and cue files) |
| 10:15.05 | H202 | maybe you should be more specific what you want, why openoffice is not a solution, ... |
| 10:15.18 | dondelelcaro | bpa: yes, apt-cache search cue |
| 10:15.21 | giupy | why when i try create a cd audio or datacd it is unreadble for the same pc and stereo and other pcs ? |
| 10:15.30 | bpa | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 10:15.36 | dondelelcaro | !info bchunk |
| 10:15.47 | dpkg | bchunk: (CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 10:16.23 | doez | I can understand Pasamio, ooffice is imo to heavy to read (just read) a ppt |
| 10:16.56 | Pasamio | export to ps/pdf then and use something of that requirement |
| 10:17.03 | Pasamio | gv should do the trick :p |
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| 10:17.12 | dondelelcaro | then output to pdf and use xpdf |
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| 10:19.38 | superlinux | hi all |
| 10:19.44 | superlinux | we are trying to replace a windows server with a debian server, and the windows server can give a full speed of 50KByte per sec while linux gives only 16!! |
| 10:20.01 | Pasamio | full speed what? head? |
| 10:20.01 | nunez | How do I go about making a clone of my windows xp cd with k3b, I gives me errors in /var/log/messages when I enter that copied cd that I put the "clone" option in k3b? |
| 10:20.19 | Pasamio | nunez: making a clone is illegal, you should know better :p |
| 10:20.51 | liable | giupy: how do you make it? options |
| 10:20.57 | nunez | Pasamio, I own the cd |
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| 10:21.39 | dondelelcaro | yeesh. just dd if=/dev/hdc of=cdimage.iso; cdrecord -dev ATAPI:1,0,0 -v -v -data cdimage.iso; |
| 10:22.04 | superlinux | the network has windows server with a penta dvb for down and a cisco router for up and another PC wich has an ISA server that is NAT to 4 networks . the up is passed to the cisco thru the ISA |
| 10:22.05 | goron | Is there some tool that reads my regular expression and expands it to a list of filenames? So I can use it with backticks in an expression that works on filenames? |
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| 10:22.40 | Pasamio | superlinux: you should be getting more than 50kb |
| 10:22.51 | superlinux | noo |
| 10:22.51 | Pasamio | sounds like your network is misconfigured |
| 10:23.15 | superlinux | the network owners are buying only 50 |
| 10:23.31 | Pasamio | ahhh |
| 10:23.32 | superlinux | we wanna replace the ISA server with a squid |
| 10:23.39 | superlinux | that has linux |
| 10:24.00 | Pasamio | which distro? |
| 10:24.15 | dondelelcaro | well, there's no reason to expect the nat box not to do full line speed on the networks |
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| 10:24.24 | superlinux | we have not changed any thing but replacing with a mechine similar to the ISA |
| 10:24.29 | dondelelcaro | that is, unless the cards in it are absolute crap |
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| 10:24.56 | war- | it has been said that java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your ... |
| 10:24.59 | war- | I have installed java-package. |
| 10:25.01 | Pasamio | can't be deconfigured down to a 10megabit connection cause it'd be slower again |
| 10:25.02 | war- | what is the next step? |
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| 10:25.23 | superlinux | i even changed the TTL and the RCV and SND buffers of the kernel |
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| 10:25.35 | superlinux | thru sysctrl.conf |
| 10:25.38 | superlinux | thru sysctl.conf |
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| 10:25.48 | dondelelcaro | uh, that's probably a bad idea, since those aren't going to change much |
| 10:26.00 | dondelelcaro | the most probably cause is a MTU mismatch |
| 10:26.03 | jvw | war-: as you eh, quoted, See "man make-jpkg" maybe? |
| 10:26.12 | Pasamio | unless you know what you're doing, i'd keep away from doing that |
| 10:26.21 | Guerin | war-: make-jpkg /path/to/sun.java.bin |
| 10:26.23 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:26.43 | superlinux | what i have is MTU 1500 (i think) |
| 10:26.44 | war- | ah,h ok thx. |
| 10:26.47 | Pasamio | isn't there a chroot in there somewhere for java? |
| 10:27.00 | Guerin | no |
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| 10:27.20 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: but you really need to figure out exactly what is going on. benchmark the box on its own just internally, and figure out what its maximum is. Then configure the interface that is connnected to the cisco appropriately |
| 10:27.47 | Pasamio | war-: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/debian/install-sun-java.php |
| 10:27.56 | war- | reading now |
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| 10:28.34 | superlinux | MAX on internal is 32KB/sec |
| 10:28.35 | Guerin | Pasamio: unnecessary. |
| 10:28.48 | superlinux | but external is 16 |
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| 10:29.18 | silverton | Guerin, I just rebooted, had the same issue |
| 10:29.27 | superlinux | but i shou;d be taking on both at least if 1 network is nat 50 |
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| 10:30.26 | superlinux | so dondelelcaro ? what do u think? |
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| 10:30.33 | Pasamio | superlinux: is it the exact same box? |
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| 10:30.37 | Pasamio | or a different box? |
| 10:30.40 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: there's no way that the maximum on the internal interface is 32K/sec |
| 10:30.44 | Guerin | silverton: same as what? |
| 10:30.46 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.49 | witless | anyone else notice a lot of ssh login attempts on their servers? |
| 10:30.52 | silverton | I had to modprobe mousedev and psmouse again |
| 10:30.54 | superlinux | but the same wiring |
| 10:30.54 | PerfDave | witless: Yes |
| 10:30.56 | silverton | Guerin, ^^^ |
| 10:30.59 | witless | using service accuonts, and common anglo names? |
| 10:31.09 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 10:31.14 | witless | PerfDave: ok |
| 10:31.16 | PerfDave | witless: Yes |
| 10:31.16 | Guerin | silverton: check your /etc/modules - are those modules mentioned there? |
| 10:31.21 | superlinux | yes it's |
| 10:31.29 | Pasamio | superlinux: if it is a different box, then you cannot rule out that it isn't the hardware |
| 10:31.31 | silverton | mousedev/npsmouse |
| 10:31.33 | silverton | :-/ |
| 10:31.35 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: first off, how are you testing this? |
| 10:31.38 | witless | PerfDave: wonder what it's from |
| 10:31.53 | PerfDave | witless: Uhm, someone trying to brute-force your SSH server? |
| 10:31.57 | H202 | witless: if you are using port 22 for ssh and are not behind firewall, you will get a lot of attempts |
| 10:31.58 | superlinux | i am using netspeed gnome plugin |
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| 10:32.15 | silverton | Guerin, I manually fixed it |
| 10:32.15 | superlinux | to measure the speed |
| 10:32.16 | witless | PerfDave: yeah, but it's obviously an automated/zombie attack or soemthing, wondering which one |
| 10:32.33 | superlinux | and the netwok has more than 100 ppl |
| 10:32.40 | Guerin | silverton: you used /n instead of \n |
| 10:32.43 | superlinux | its some neibourhood ISP |
| 10:32.44 | witless | PerfDave: i've seen it on all my servers at work, and my box at home |
| 10:32.47 | silverton | Guerin, oh! whoops >.< |
| 10:32.48 | PerfDave | witless: Probably just some script kiddy rather than a virus. |
| 10:33.01 | PerfDave | witless: I've seen it from several IPs. |
| 10:33.05 | witless | PerfDave: yeah |
| 10:33.08 | Guerin | run your sshd on port 2222 |
| 10:33.20 | Guerin | i have't got it on any of my boxen |
| 10:33.21 | witless | Guerin: i'm gonna change the port next week in fact |
| 10:33.25 | superlinux | and it's a live test |
| 10:34.06 | superlinux | we have squid as transparent cache |
| 10:35.03 | giupy | liable, k3b does it |
| 10:35.16 | superlinux | so guys can u tell me more help |
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| 10:36.00 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: use scp to transfer a large file from the server, and tell us what the speed is. |
| 10:36.21 | superlinux | normal |
| 10:36.34 | dondelelcaro | "normal?" |
| 10:36.45 | superlinux | we used ftp and downloaded a big ISO image |
| 10:36.51 | superlinux | 10 Mbit |
| 10:36.56 | superlinux | or 100 |
| 10:37.02 | superlinux | on the network speed |
| 10:37.22 | dondelelcaro | then what's the problem? the box is running at network speed. |
| 10:37.23 | superlinux | but tfrom the net it wont execeed 10k |
| 10:37.37 | superlinux | but tfrom the internet it wont execeed 10k |
| 10:37.55 | superlinux | 10kbyte/s tpo 16 |
| 10:37.58 | superlinux | depending |
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| 10:38.27 | dondelelcaro | ok, so ssh into the server, and see what the mtu is on the external interface, and see what speed you can get to the cisco box. |
| 10:38.49 | dondelelcaro | or better, plug a different machine into that interface, and verify the speed out of that interface. |
| 10:39.09 | superlinux | i use the default MTU for the whole server |
| 10:39.17 | superlinux | 1500 |
| 10:39.26 | superlinux | as it came from the kernel |
| 10:39.35 | dondelelcaro | that may not be appropriate for the external interface, as it needs to match whatever the cisco is using. |
| 10:39.43 | superlinux | aha! |
| 10:40.27 | superlinux | so how can i know and configure my MTU on the external? |
| 10:40.47 | dondelelcaro | depends on what the setting is on the cisco |
| 10:40.56 | superlinux | but i donno it |
| 10:40.57 | tale | superlinux, use ifconfig |
| 10:41.18 | superlinux | i donno what is the config of the cusco |
| 10:41.20 | superlinux | i donno what is the config of the cisco |
| 10:41.25 | doleyb | why would a brute-force attack try "r00t"? Who has r00t accounts? |
| 10:41.32 | dondelelcaro | doleyb: stupidity |
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| 10:41.38 | dondelelcaro | so log into the cisco and check it out |
| 10:41.56 | superlinux | i donno abt using the cisco router |
| 10:42.37 | superlinux | so how from linux should i know without playing around too much? |
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| 10:43.33 | dondelelcaro | you can't know what it's set to without logging into the cisco unless you set the MTU low and slowly bring it up |
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| 10:43.50 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:43.55 | superlinux | i'll see |
| 10:44.52 | superlinux | dondelelcaro, we can have the access to router.. but i donno how to get the info, do you? |
| 10:45.24 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: try asking in #cisco |
| 10:45.29 | superlinux | ok 10x |
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| 10:48.21 | silverton | wow...it was easier to follow the nvidia howto then it was to use the nvidia drivers off the website... |
| 10:48.30 | ndee | hey there, what is a commandline pdf parser? |
| 10:48.50 | dondelelcaro | ndee: like pdftotext? |
| 10:49.06 | [trueno] | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.21 | silverton | how would I create a symlink to a directory on my desktop? |
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| 10:49.47 | ndee | dondelelcaro: well, I don't need to convert it to another file. It just needs to read the content of a PDF file. It's like this: A CMS has a search engine which can also include PDF results if I have a cmdline PDF parser |
| 10:49.52 | PerfDave | silverton: Find it in your filesystem, probably in ~/Desktop |
| 10:50.14 | silverton | PerfDave, I mean, I want to put the symlink on my desktop |
| 10:50.35 | Pasamio | what sort of desktop? |
| 10:50.39 | silverton | gnome... |
| 10:50.51 | dondelelcaro | ndee: well, pdftotext is generally the results that you would search |
| 10:51.05 | ndee | dondelelcaro: ok, gonna give it a try :) |
| 10:51.06 | Pasamio | cd ~/Desktop |
| 10:51.09 | llama32 | what handheld OSs are there other than palm & win ce? |
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| 10:51.18 | Pasamio | and just do a ln like normal |
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| 10:51.30 | dondelelcaro | llama32: there are a few linux based ones |
| 10:51.32 | Pasamio | llama32: zarus have something, symbian |
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| 10:52.21 | PerfDave | silverton: Find it in your filesystem, put a symlink in it :) |
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| 10:52.47 | llama32 | thanks dondelelcaro, Pasamio |
| 10:52.57 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 10:53.08 | dondelelcaro | s/no/np/ |
| 10:53.12 | Pasamio | lol |
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| 10:56.47 | Guerin | massa? |
| 10:57.21 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: fillipe massa... formula one qualifying at monaco |
| 10:57.35 | kombi | anyone good on backporting? |
| 10:57.38 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:57.46 | Guerin | circle driving, I see. |
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| 10:57.56 | Guerin | kombi: /mmsg dpkg simple sid backport is pretty good |
| 10:57.58 | dondelelcaro | not really... |
| 10:58.02 | liable | no, thats indi |
| 10:58.28 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i know, just derogation for any sort of motorsport that's not rally driving :) |
| 10:58.31 | kombi | well, I tried that with zziplib and get a strange error: |
| 10:58.59 | kombi | "Target dist-all several times in same rule" |
| 10:59.07 | kombi | can't make head or tail of that.. |
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| 11:00.50 | kombi | what might I do to troubleshoot? |
| 11:01.13 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: heh. I like rally too... but F1 is just nice |
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| 11:02.28 | peterpaul | what office suites are usable but small unlike openoffice |
| 11:02.38 | toresbe | peterpaul: vim :P |
| 11:02.44 | madw | koffice |
| 11:02.53 | peterpaul | koffice needs kde |
| 11:02.57 | peterpaul | I don't want kde |
| 11:03.17 | madw | abiword + gnumeric |
| 11:03.31 | silverton | How do I delete a directory and everything in it? |
| 11:03.34 | peterpaul | abiword + gnumeric is smaller than soffice? |
| 11:03.36 | Pasamio | rm -rf |
| 11:03.39 | binarydigit | rm -r |
| 11:03.58 | PerfDave | Is there a command which is basically "run this program for X minutes, then kill it"? |
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| 11:04.19 | kombi | just erased the second dist-all in the make file but still.. what does one do here? |
| 11:04.30 | toresbe | PerfDave: make one :P |
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| 11:04.55 | liable | hard to beat, is the clip of the lotus? climbing the hill in south america (widows peak?) |
| 11:05.08 | coll | ok seems like dist-upgrade has finished but with some errors |
| 11:05.10 | PerfDave | toresbe: I'm sure I could, I just don't like reinventing the wheel. |
| 11:05.23 | kombi | it must be possible to backport that package.. |
| 11:05.24 | trueno | Hi! |
| 11:05.36 | coll | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xine-lib/libxine1_1.0.1-1_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] |
| 11:05.44 | toresbe | #!/bin/bash\n$2 & sleep $1; kill - uhm, how do you kill...uhm. |
| 11:05.47 | PerfDave | coll: Try again :) |
| 11:06.06 | coll | if im gonna do apt-get dist-upgrade (im moving from woody to sarge) is it going to continue where it left off or get everything all over again? |
| 11:06.16 | Pasamio | should continue |
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| 11:06.27 | coll | lol, should? :-) |
| 11:06.29 | Pasamio | it stores things in the package cache (/var/cache/apt/archive) |
| 11:06.34 | valdyn | !tell coll about woody->sarge |
| 11:06.36 | PerfDave | coll: Don't use apt-get dist-upgrade to move from Woody to Sarge. |
| 11:06.45 | PerfDave | coll: Read the Sarge release notes about upgrading from previous Debian versions. |
| 11:06.58 | coll | dude |
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| 11:07.06 | coll | thats what badgers said to do and i followed it |
| 11:07.08 | kombi | what does dist-all stand for in a make file? |
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| 11:07.42 | PerfDave | coll: Then badgers is wrong. |
| 11:07.43 | trueno | Any simple, good FAQ on how to use anonymous remailers? |
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| 11:08.00 | coll | well the situation now is that after apt-get update i've done apt-get dist-upgrade and it failed during. what do i do now? |
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| 11:08.08 | coll | continue apt-get dist-upgrade or what? |
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| 11:08.55 | PerfDave | coll: Read the Sarge release notes. |
| 11:09.03 | silverton | how do I chmod 777 an entire directory? |
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| 11:09.09 | kombi | chmmod -R |
| 11:09.11 | PerfDave | silverton: man chmod |
| 11:09.15 | H202 | chmod -R 777 directory |
| 11:09.31 | coll | silverton: chmod 777 *.* inside the dir |
| 11:09.31 | liable | silverton: why? |
| 11:09.33 | silverton | Thanks guys :) |
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| 11:09.45 | kombi | how do I debug a makefile.. |
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| 11:09.51 | silverton | liable, so my 120GB drive is writable to my user? |
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| 11:10.11 | Pasamio | coll: *.* won't work, just *, so chmod 777 * |
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| 11:10.57 | Yatesy | *.* rofl, do we all use windows? :P |
| 11:11.19 | coll | well i |
| 11:11.25 | coll | i've got apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 11:11.28 | coll | lets hope for the best |
| 11:11.49 | Anders1 | coll: use aptitude |
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| 11:12.07 | coll | sorry but no one was mentioning it before. dpkg was gone and i was refered to badgers |
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| 11:12.47 | kundalini | hi |
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| 11:13.16 | bbrazil | kundalini: check the --help, there's options not to run any commands etc |
| 11:13.20 | coll | looks like it finished |
| 11:13.23 | bbrazil | kombi: ^^ |
| 11:13.30 | coll | asking me which interface to use for configuring packages |
| 11:13.47 | pureone | !op WoLF is a spammer |
| 11:13.48 | dpkg | pureone: okay |
| 11:13.48 | kombi | bbrazil: ? |
| 11:13.53 | pureone | !ops WoLF is a spammer |
| 11:13.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: WoLF is a spammer |
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| 11:14.15 | kundalini | thx bbrazil |
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| 11:14.49 | kundalini | bbrazil i register the nick now ... |
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| 11:14.52 | kundalini | --help |
| 11:14.56 | kundalini | :) |
| 11:14.57 | bbrazil | kundalini: that wasn't meant for you, although it is generally good advice ;) |
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| 11:15.10 | bob2 | from a turkish netblock |
| 11:15.11 | bbrazil | kombi: debuging make files |
| 11:15.12 | bob2 | shock/horror |
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| 11:15.31 | chocoIate | i'm a developer on the windows platform in .net and a linux noob, trying to make the the move from windows to linux. At the moment i'm reviewing ubuntu linux and i'm unable to understand the differences btw the two, all i keep hearing is its based on linux ; what are the offerings in debian over ubuntu and vice versa ; any help is higly appreciated :P |
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| 11:15.41 | pureone | ban the whole of turkey ? |
| 11:15.49 | kundalini | bbrazil a advice always is good. :) |
| 11:15.55 | bob2 | chocoIate: if you have no idea, stay with ubuntu |
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| 11:15.55 | chocoIate | is its based on debian* |
| 11:16.05 | HansZ | pureone: that would be racisme |
| 11:16.07 | chocoIate | bob2 sir :P |
| 11:16.15 | chocoIate | hows it going :) |
| 11:16.20 | kombi | bbrazil: what did I miss? |
| 11:16.25 | bob2 | HansZ: no, it would be pragmatis,m |
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| 11:16.30 | liable | chocoIate: hi, modem fixed? |
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| 11:16.35 | chocoIate | lol |
| 11:16.37 | bbrazil | kombi: 12:09 < kombi> how do I debug a makefile.. |
| 11:16.39 | HansZ | bob2: I'm unsure by the meaning of that word |
| 11:16.40 | chocoIate | same people in here too :S |
| 11:16.44 | pureone | it would be spamist |
| 11:16.53 | bdlug66 | hello |
| 11:16.55 | chocoIate | so maybe you guys can help me again as always :P |
| 11:17.00 | bdlug66 | how to spped up net connection linux |
| 11:17.04 | chocoIate | why should i prefer ubuntu over debian :) |
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| 11:17.07 | liable | chocoIate: http://www.muc.de/~hm/linux/linux-isdn.html |
| 11:17.07 | bob2 | HansZ: banning a countries netblocks is not racist |
| 11:17.12 | bob2 | chocoIate: because you'll be able to install it |
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| 11:17.20 | kombi | bbrazil: I remember asking that, just what is it you are saying? |
| 11:17.21 | HansZ | bob2: It would be |
| 11:17.30 | bob2 | HansZ: er, how? |
| 11:17.30 | chocoIate | the modem is not fixed unfortunately .I just ordered an avm-fritz isdn modem. They seem to supply drivers for linux |
| 11:17.48 | HansZ | bob2: Because you ban everyone of that country |
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| 11:17.57 | bbrazil | kombi: to check the --help, there's options to only display comands and not run programs |
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| 11:18.04 | HansZ | In the netherlands his law it would be racisme |
| 11:18.06 | Amyb | Hi guys, could someone point me to a document which lists the various variables that can be used when associating file types in konqueror? things like %c %i %m %U etc. I have tried searching but think I am using the wrong terms as I cant find anything. |
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| 11:18.18 | bob2 | HansZ: yes, because most of the spambots here are from turkey, but very few of the legitimate users |
| 11:18.25 | bdlug66 | windows user got speed in abt in 1 MB but in linux i have got only 100 kbps :( |
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| 11:18.32 | kombi | bbrazil: oh, ok! thanks! |
| 11:18.32 | libra102 | hello |
| 11:18.38 | irc__ | where i can get a good vim doc to print it out? |
| 11:18.49 | chocoIate | bob2 : you mean with debian i wont be able to install it or you mean ubuntu offers a much easier installer more noob oriented :o |
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| 11:18.54 | trueno | Has anyone experienced problems with xfree86-4.3.0.dfsg.1-13? Now it takes much longer to start up X! |
| 11:18.57 | bdlug66 | man vim |
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| 11:19.11 | bob2 | chocoIate: I mean, if you have a new video card, it's unlikely X will work out of the box on debian |
| 11:19.14 | bob2 | etc |
| 11:19.14 | chocoIate | thanks liable, i'll read that later today and see if i can get my current modem working |
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| 11:19.27 | bob2 | trueno: if they did, they would have filed a bug instead of asking over and over on IRC |
| 11:19.43 | madw | irc__: vimtutor |
| 11:20.13 | trueno | bob2: sorry, my IRC client crashed several times so I did not get if there was any reply... |
| 11:20.30 | chocoIate | well, i'm aware that moving from ubuntu/kubuntu over to debian will not fix my driver issues, however the reason i want to make the move to linux is because i want to run my own servers without having to worry about licensing costs/restrictions |
| 11:20.44 | bob2 | chocoIate: debian is the same as ubuntu in that regard |
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| 11:20.50 | chocoIate | and then i read about debian being the preferred in the server side market |
| 11:21.02 | sussudio | ~test |
| 11:21.03 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
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| 11:22.01 | libra102 | hum.. |
| 11:22.10 | chocoIate | oh, can you or anybody patiently explain what are the offerings supplied by ubuntu that i cannot find in debian then. I'm having a hard time trying to differentiate btw two, besides as you just stated the installation is a pleasure with ubuntu and more oritented towards noobs like myself :o |
| 11:22.18 | bob2 | just use ubuntu |
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| 11:22.20 | chocoIate | though i do not really plan to being a noob for every :P |
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| 11:22.23 | Pasamio | ubuntu has a lesser licence restriction scheme, they will include stuff to make it work |
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| 11:22.25 | bob2 | if you've never used linux, you won't appreciate the differences |
| 11:22.29 | chocoIate | ever* |
| 11:22.41 | Pasamio | until you've gotten up and running with linux, debian is probably the deeper end of the scale |
| 11:22.54 | Pasamio | and thats where a lot of people go "linux sucks" because they get dropped in the deep end |
| 11:23.21 | chocoIate | if thats the case then rumor has it that suse linux should be my preffered choice of distro |
| 11:23.31 | bob2 | no, suse is crap |
| 11:23.39 | bob2 | the people using it just haven't realised it yet |
| 11:23.41 | Pasamio | suse is rpm based for one, and has issues |
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| 11:23.49 | Pasamio | i use it at work as well as debian |
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| 11:23.58 | Pasamio | suffers from the usual rpm based distro isuses |
| 11:24.13 | kombi | bbrazil: The thing is, I tried a backport using apt-get build-dep and apt-get source -b and don't quite know where to put debug options.. |
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| 11:24.43 | bbrazil | kombi: what sort of debugging? |
| 11:24.45 | PerfDave | chocoIate: Ubuntu is like Debian, with more recent desktop packages and older server packages, many fewer packages, worse support, and the same installer. |
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| 11:25.06 | bob2 | PerfDave: er, no |
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| 11:25.09 | kombi | bbrazil: trying to do a backport of zziplib to woody |
| 11:25.12 | silverton | PerfDave, sounds like a nightmare |
| 11:25.23 | bob2 | the same number of packages, commercial support is available, and just as current server packages |
| 11:25.31 | PerfDave | bob2: Wrong, wrong and wrong ;) |
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| 11:25.45 | bob2 | dude, I work with the developers of it |
| 11:25.47 | Guerin | the packages in *verse aren't supported, though - they're unofficial |
| 11:25.47 | kombi | bbrazil: process stops with "target dist-all several times in rule" |
| 11:25.48 | PerfDave | bob2: But there's no point arguing with you, we all know you're #debian's resident Ubuntu troll :) |
| 11:25.49 | rAss | Is it possibel to chmod a dir so it is possibel to upload to it but dont delete what is in it |
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| 11:25.58 | chocoIate | there you go, see, just the kind of argument i wanted to hear :P |
| 11:25.59 | liable | !start a distro war |
| 11:25.59 | dpkg | Rock owns! |
| 11:26.08 | bob2 | bah, whatever |
| 11:26.27 | bbrazil | kombi: that vaguely sounds like a bad ./configure, you're probably going to have to dig deep to fix this |
| 11:26.44 | Remmy | Hi, on a sarge machine, apache2 stops every sunday. As it needs a passphrase in order to start, this means my website is unavailable for hours till I manually start it. Two questions: Why does it get restarted? And secondly, how can I stop this from being a weekly thing? |
| 11:26.54 | liable | PerfDave: nasty, in all fairness, you cant really say that :) |
| 11:27.07 | Guerin | Remmy: what do the logs say? |
| 11:27.08 | bbrazil | Remmy: restarted to rotate logs, chenge it to a reload |
| 11:27.10 | kombi | bbrazil: that or migrate a fairly big project to another box.. |
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| 11:27.27 | chocoIate | what about the next release of debian "sarge" ; does that have a better first time installer experience than ubuntu :o |
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| 11:27.36 | PerfDave | chocoIate: Sarge and Ubuntu have the same installer. |
| 11:27.40 | bbrazil | kombi: you oculd compile it locally (although the debian gods shall smite thee) |
| 11:27.53 | chocoIate | is sarge out officially by the way :o |
| 11:27.55 | bob2 | chocoIate: it has the same installer |
| 11:27.57 | bob2 | chocoIate: no |
| 11:27.57 | Remmy | bbrazil: Where can I change it from restart to reload? |
| 11:28.01 | teun | Remmy: are you using SSL on your site(s)? |
| 11:28.07 | silverton | chocoIate, the installer for sarge is so simple! |
| 11:28.08 | Remmy | Guerin: Only that it restarted (and then it hangs) |
| 11:28.10 | bbrazil | Remmy: check /etc/logrotate.d/apache |
| 11:28.12 | Remmy | teun: Yes |
| 11:28.25 | teun | Remmy: then you probably made an error creating the SSL certificate |
| 11:28.30 | bbrazil | Remmy: the passphrase is probably due to a SSL site |
| 11:28.36 | Guerin | ah, yeah |
| 11:28.36 | rAss | Is it possibel to chmod a dir so it is possibel to upload to it but dont delete what is in it |
| 11:28.42 | kombi | bbrazil: they have done that before.. do you mean get the sources and configure-make-install? |
| 11:28.44 | Guerin | gotta make that sslcert passphrase-free |
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| 11:29.08 | Remmy | I actually want it to use a passphrase... I just don't want the server to be restarted every week and hang |
| 11:29.08 | bbrazil | kombi: yip |
| 11:29.22 | bob2 | rAss: man chmod, make it +t |
| 11:29.23 | Guerin | Remmy: can't have both |
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| 11:29.29 | bob2 | rAss: you want the same permissions /tmp has |
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| 11:29.34 | rAss | bob2: ? |
| 11:29.39 | bob2 | why is apache restarting at all |
| 11:29.47 | kundalini | one question debian-hurd is possible to do the instalation with crosshurd ? ( i need a good manual ) ( i need english lesson ) |
| 11:29.52 | Remmy | Guerin: It always worked fine when the site was still on a RH machine |
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| 11:30.01 | bob2 | rAss: no, if you don't understand, you say "I don't understand blah", where blah is some small part of what I said |
| 11:30.03 | Remmy | bob2: Standard script I guess :/ |
| 11:30.10 | Guerin | Remmy: well, if you can stop it from restarting, you're fine. |
| 11:30.10 | kombi | SSLPassPhraseDialog echoPassphrase.sh |
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| 11:30.41 | Remmy | I'll check what bbrazil offered and change the restart to reload in the logrotate script. |
| 11:30.41 | rAss | bob2: man chmod, there is nothing about which numbers it should be eg 670, there are only docs about OPTIONS like c or -f |
| 11:30.43 | Remmy | Thanks guys |
| 11:30.47 | abrotman | i'm wrong > |
| 11:30.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:30.53 | Guerin | abrotman: yes. |
| 11:30.55 | Remmy | :) |
| 11:31.06 | bob2 | rAss: sticky directories is the section to read |
| 11:31.09 | chocoIate | bottom line, i know bob2 has told me to stick to ubuntu, my being a noob and all, but would anybody recommend my giving debian a try as a noob* instead of staying with ubuntu. Currently the only problem i have had when installing ubuntu is not being able to get my sound/modem to work with it ; would sarge give me a better experience at this and detect it on the fly without my having to do so many manual steps which i have done only to s |
| 11:31.26 | bbrazil | Remmy: make sure nocompress is specified |
| 11:31.33 | kombi | what is the configure script of a source package usually called? |
| 11:31.36 | bob2 | no |
| 11:31.39 | liable | chocoIate: no |
| 11:31.42 | Guerin | chocoIate: if you already have one or toher installed. stick with it. if you haven't yet installed anything, get debian. |
| 11:31.43 | bob2 | kombi: ./configure |
| 11:31.50 | kombi | thx |
| 11:31.55 | DerSchotte | I still have a problem with my LVM1 on sarge and it doesn't look like anyone is awake on the #lvm channel. Anyone here an expert on LVM ? I really need some help ... |
| 11:32.06 | liable | chocoIate: but, debian isnt that hard anyway |
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| 11:32.07 | kundalini | there are channels of debian-hurd? |
| 11:32.08 | abrotman | Guerin: i do disagree... but it's ok .. you can't be right all the time :) |
| 11:32.12 | Remmy | bbrazil: Why is that? Right now it says compress and delaycompress.... that should be fine I guess? |
| 11:32.15 | bob2 | DerSchotte: you'd be way better off asking on the user list |
| 11:32.17 | rAss | bob2: Nothing?, it just rewviews it.. no numbers... If you know how to do it can you please be so kind to tell me please :( |
| 11:32.21 | Guerin | abrotman: :P |
| 11:32.22 | bob2 | kundalini: #hurd |
| 11:32.23 | usn | hi folx |
| 11:32.25 | bbrazil | Remmy: sorry, I meant delaycompress |
| 11:32.28 | bob2 | rAss: dude, the same as /tmp |
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| 11:32.35 | Remmy | bbrazil: Okies... thanks :) |
| 11:32.37 | bob2 | rAss: chmod u+t /your/porn/upload/dir/ |
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| 11:32.51 | kombi | bbrazil: or can you also do configure-make-install in a debian source package? |
| 11:32.52 | bbrazil | Remmy: its to do with the different ways reload and restart hande log files |
| 11:32.57 | rAss | bob2: oki thanks ill try :D |
| 11:33.03 | Remmy | bbrazil: Gotcha |
| 11:33.06 | bbrazil | kombi: thats a good question, try it and see |
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| 11:33.22 | DerSchotte | Yeah, I just sent a message to gmame.linux.lvm.general which feeds to the linux-lvm mailing list |
| 11:33.26 | kundalini | thx bob2 |
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| 11:33.42 | bbrazil | kombi: or at least manually step through what apt does |
| 11:33.43 | chocoIate | ok thanks everybody. I guess i will just stick with ubuntu since i have it installed on first try :P |
| 11:34.04 | streuner | haha |
| 11:34.26 | streuner | !pia chocolate |
| 11:34.28 | kombi | wonder what the difference is between a source package and the sources.. |
| 11:34.40 | chocoIate | :) |
| 11:34.50 | bob2 | kombi: the source package will produce debian binary packages |
| 11:35.01 | bbrazil | kombi: the debian directory |
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| 11:35.09 | kombi | bob2: if it does.. |
| 11:35.11 | rAss | bob2: aint working chmod -R u+t /home/demo, i can still write and delete in that dir as user demo |
| 11:35.26 | chocoIate | hate being a noob and not knowledgeable about anything, especially when i knew my stuff when on windows :P |
| 11:35.34 | bob2 | kombi: if it doesn't, it's not a debian source package |
| 11:35.35 | kombi | this one seems not to.. |
| 11:35.35 | rAss | bob2: i did the chmod thing as root |
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| 11:35.41 | chocoIate | focus focus, one though one idea ; "master linux" |
| 11:35.44 | bob2 | rAss: yes, of course |
| 11:35.53 | bob2 | rAss: but other people can't delete your files |
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| 11:36.11 | kombi | bob2: did apt-get build-dep |
| 11:36.24 | kombi | and apt-get source -b |
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| 11:36.40 | rAss | bob2: what i wanted is so that the user could write but dont delete the file. as user demo |
| 11:36.47 | bob2 | rAss: can't do it, sorry |
| 11:37.01 | bob2 | unless you don't want them to be able to create files, either |
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| 11:37.07 | bob2 | then making the dir read only is enough |
| 11:37.19 | rAss | i want upload no delete. |
| 11:37.26 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 11:37.28 | silverton | how does one copy a directory? |
| 11:37.34 | bob2 | can't happen, sorry, you'll need a better upload system |
| 11:37.38 | streuner | chocolate: are you interested in F1? |
| 11:37.40 | bob2 | silverton: cp -a dir1 dir2 |
| 11:37.49 | silverton | bob2, thanks :) |
| 11:37.55 | Guerin | rAss: what you can do is run a cronjob or some other thing which changes the ownership of files which are already there |
| 11:37.56 | rAss | bob2: Damnit, is it possibel to do it in proftpd configuration because its too a ftp user i want this heh |
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| 11:38.04 | Guerin | rAss: some ftpds do thins, I think |
| 11:38.11 | SiliconViper | So, after rebootting my machine and starting gnome...... my key repeat rate is insane. Any ideas how to fix this? I can barely type with it like this. Lovely good fun. |
| 11:38.24 | cahoot | rAss: look at what 'chattr' can contribute? |
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| 11:38.58 | rAss | chattr? |
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| 11:39.50 | rAss | silence ;) |
| 11:40.00 | cahoot | rAss: man chattr |
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| 11:40.16 | kombi | bbrazil, bob2: So if a source package does not compile, does that mean the maintainer screwed up? |
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| 11:40.55 | bob2 | or you did |
| 11:41.03 | kombi | ..or I did.. |
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| 11:41.21 | Guerin | the thing is, if it's in sid or older, it built automatically on a buildd |
| 11:41.24 | kombi | bob2: what is the proper way? |
| 11:41.26 | Guerin | so it WILL build |
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| 11:41.44 | Function | a mate of mine helped me set up UTF-8 |
| 11:41.49 | kombi | Guerin: have to do a backport.. |
| 11:41.56 | bob2 | kombi: of doing what? |
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| 11:42.00 | bob2 | yo're being way too vague |
| 11:42.00 | Guerin | kombi: oh, i see. |
| 11:42.02 | Function | but now when I use ls it doesn't show dirs first anymore |
| 11:42.05 | bob2 | tell us what you're actually doing |
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| 11:42.08 | peterpaul | hi all |
| 11:42.16 | bob2 | Function: LC_COLLATE=C ls |
| 11:42.19 | peterpaul | my sound card is not being detected |
| 11:42.21 | bob2 | Function: does that list the way you want? |
| 11:42.24 | peterpaul | it is an ad1816a |
| 11:42.30 | peterpaul | I tried alsaconf |
| 11:42.38 | Pasamio | mmm |
| 11:42.46 | Pasamio | have you tried googling to see if it has a driver? |
| 11:42.52 | ChrisVdB | hi, when I run 'pbuilder create', it ends with "W: no hooks of type E found -- ignoring" and "E: Logic failure." Does anybody know what this could mean? |
| 11:42.52 | peterpaul | it does |
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| 11:42.55 | kombi | bob2: have to do a backport of zziplib to woody and did: apt-get build dep zziplib + apt-get source -b zziplib but it keeps failing |
| 11:42.56 | Function | bob2: tried it, doesn't work |
| 11:42.59 | peterpaul | it is snd-ad1816a |
| 11:43.03 | bob2 | kombi: ok, good start |
| 11:43.09 | kombi | thx.. |
| 11:43.10 | peterpaul | I can do modprobe snd-ad1816a |
| 11:43.10 | bob2 | kombi: now paste the error to #flood |
| 11:43.16 | kombi | wait.. |
| 11:43.18 | peterpaul | but it doesn't give out sound |
| 11:43.18 | Jon | udev and/or hotplug + IDE CD problem: cdroms not detected until I touch /dev/.static/dev/hda, then all works. devfs not set in .config, sysfs set and mounted. any suggestions please? |
| 11:43.20 | liable | nite |
| 11:43.21 | Guerin | peterpaul: do that, then |
| 11:43.24 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 11:43.24 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 11:43.24 | cahoot | peterpaul: make sure the oss module for the cards doesn't get loaded |
| 11:43.27 | Function | I don't really care about how the case sensitive sorting is affected |
| 11:43.29 | kundalini | peterpaul alsamixer, mute is the default option |
| 11:43.31 | Function | I just want my dirs first in my listing |
| 11:43.49 | peterpaul | cahoot: might be the problem |
| 11:43.54 | peterpaul | kundalini: I unmuted |
| 11:44.14 | kombi | bob2: there it is |
| 11:44.17 | Pasamio | peterpaul: try a reboot and check that doesn't fix it |
| 11:44.27 | Guerin | what |
| 11:44.28 | peterpaul | ok I'll reboot |
| 11:44.30 | Pasamio | i know reconfiguring alsa the other day stuff something up, reboot fixed the issue |
| 11:44.31 | kombi | bob2: strange lingo though.. |
| 11:44.32 | Guerin | no |
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| 11:44.42 | Pasamio | wait one sec |
| 11:44.47 | Pasamio | does alsaconf detect the card? |
| 11:44.47 | bob2 | kombi: I don't read german |
| 11:44.50 | Guerin | if it didn't work this time, why would it work after a reboot? |
| 11:44.52 | bob2 | kombi: and we need the lines above that |
| 11:44.59 | kombi | bob: wait.. |
| 11:45.06 | peterpaul | Pasamio: no |
| 11:45.16 | Guerin | try echo snd-ad1816a >> /etc/modules ; reboot |
| 11:45.20 | H202 | is demo the only user using ftp? |
| 11:45.31 | kombi | bob2: there.. |
| 11:45.34 | peterpaul | Guerin: modules.conf? |
| 11:45.37 | Guerin | no |
| 11:45.38 | peterpaul | I have 2.6 kernel |
| 11:45.43 | Guerin | /etc/modules, like I said |
| 11:45.50 | bob2 | 21:45:30 kombi_ | Makefile:464: Target ;dist-all+ steht mehrfach in derselben Regel. |
| 11:45.54 | peterpaul | ok |
| 11:45.56 | bob2 | what on earth does that say? |
| 11:46.01 | kombi | bob2: says that target dist-all several times in same rule |
| 11:46.09 | bob2 | please, when asking for help in an English channel, set your locale to C |
| 11:46.18 | kombi | bob2: ok.. |
| 11:46.29 | bob2 | kombi: what does it mean? |
| 11:46.31 | ChrisVdB | I'm trying to run 'pbuilder create', but it ends with an error: "W: no hooks of type E found -- ignoring" and "E: Logic failure." Does anybody know what this could mean and how to fix it? |
| 11:46.44 | SiliconViper | Herm, that's interesting...... the problem I was having with my key repeat rate seems to have fixed itself... |
| 11:46.50 | silverton | what all do I need besides a webserver to get "phpsysinfo" to work? |
| 11:47.00 | SiliconViper | Oh no, nevermind. It's still broken. |
| 11:47.08 | kombi | bob2: It says that target dist-all appears several times in the same rule |
| 11:47.09 | SiliconViper | silverton, php? |
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| 11:47.20 | streuner | silverton: should be fine then... |
| 11:47.21 | peterpaul | I am rebooting |
| 11:47.22 | peterpaul | later |
| 11:47.50 | Guerin | silverton: some php packages might be useful |
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| 11:48.17 | silverton | Guerin, oh yeah >.< would would think that is a nobrainer... |
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| 11:48.54 | abrotman | !win guerin |
| 11:48.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 11:50.14 | reagent | I'm running a debian sarge here, and clamav keeps telling me that there is a new version. What do I have to do if I want to have a clamav which remains compatible with the remote services? Pin it from testing or use Stephen Gran's personal mirror? Or will clamav be in volatile? |
| 11:50.23 | silverton | gah...still only giving me the option of downloading a "phtml" file |
| 11:50.34 | bob2 | kombi: works fine on hoary, but that is odd |
| 11:50.49 | kombi | bob2: shall I reproduce the error in english? |
| 11:50.51 | teun | reagent: you could try the clamav from backports |
| 11:50.55 | Guerin | reagent: it won't be volatile, apart from security bugfixes. |
| 11:51.08 | kombi | (what's hoary?) |
| 11:51.20 | teun | kombi: ubuntu |
| 11:51.23 | bob2 | Guerin: volatile is a proposed additional debian archive for things that need to be updated frequently to remain useful |
| 11:51.34 | bob2 | Guerin: like virus scanners, spamassassin, snort rules |
| 11:51.39 | Guerin | oh, it's beyond vaporware now? |
| 11:51.40 | kombi | different distro? |
| 11:51.41 | doleyb | hoary is ubuntu |
| 11:51.51 | bob2 | volatile.debian.net |
| 11:51.52 | bob2 | kombi: yes |
| 11:52.13 | bob2 | kombi: I don't know why the make version would matter, but that;s my guess |
| 11:52.22 | streuner | Guerin: yeah, more fun than watching the show... |
| 11:52.36 | kombi | bob2: I'll try apt-get install make.. |
| 11:52.56 | kombi | ..already newest version.. |
| 11:53.01 | bob2 | yes, I know |
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| 11:53.08 | bob2 | I mean "the version in woody seems to be too old" |
| 11:53.30 | kombi | bob2: true (woody) |
| 11:53.34 | reagent | teun: What will be the difference between the backports and the packages in Stephen's repo? |
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| 11:53.46 | teun | reagent: I don't know Stephen's repository |
| 11:53.48 | kombi | bob2: but that is difficult to work around |
| 11:53.53 | bob2 | yes |
| 11:54.06 | teun | reagent: but I know the backports clam works just fine |
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| 11:54.21 | peterpaul | hi |
| 11:54.23 | H202 | reagent: DON'T PANIC! Read http://www.clamav.net/faq.html |
| 11:54.30 | peterpaul | the soundcard still is not detected |
| 11:54.39 | peterpaul | even with the module in /etc/modules |
| 11:54.43 | reagent | H202: I'm not panicking and i already read that file... |
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| 11:54.57 | kombi | bob2: Just hate to acknowledge that woody=you're screwed.. |
| 11:55.24 | streuner | kombi: did you read /topic? |
| 11:55.45 | kombi | streuner: am I OT? sorry.. |
| 11:55.59 | kundalini | peterpaul but with lsmod do you find your sound card? |
| 11:56.00 | Guerin | SiliconViper: xkbdrate |
| 11:56.01 | streuner | kombi: if you running woody just upgrade to sarge |
| 11:56.03 | peterpaul | yes |
| 11:56.11 | bob2 | kombi: you could try installing sarge's make on woody and see if that helps |
| 11:56.11 | kundalini | peterpaul but with lspci do you find your sound card? |
| 11:56.18 | peterpaul | huh? |
| 11:56.19 | peterpaul | no |
| 11:56.22 | kombi | streuner/bob2: how do you do that? |
| 11:56.27 | peterpaul | and lsmod now doesnt show it either |
| 11:56.30 | bob2 | not easily |
| 11:56.34 | bob2 | I'd give up, personally |
| 11:56.35 | bob2 | well |
| 11:56.37 | Guerin | peterpaul: did you do what I told you? |
| 11:56.43 | bob2 | I'd make sure it can build at all, first |
| 11:56.45 | Guerin | i'd upgrade to sarge |
| 11:56.47 | streuner | !tell kombi about woody->sarge |
| 11:56.47 | peterpaul | Guerin: put it in modules yes |
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| 11:57.02 | bob2 | kombi: see if yo ucan compile it from source at all, ie ./configre && make |
| 11:57.05 | Guerin | peterpaul: paste lsmod |grep snd to a httpd |
| 11:57.17 | streuner | most developers use debian... |
| 11:57.25 | streuner | as distro |
| 11:57.33 | kombi | bob2: that does work |
| 11:57.44 | peterpaul | Guerin: there is no output |
| 11:57.51 | kombi | streuner: have you done that upgrade before, scares me slightly.. |
| 11:57.58 | Guerin | peterpaul: ok. lsmod |grep sound |
| 11:58.02 | streuner | kombi: none problems here |
| 11:58.05 | peterpaul | none either |
| 11:58.16 | peterpaul | Guerin: there is no soundcard |
| 11:58.18 | kombi | maybe i should give that a try.. |
| 11:58.19 | Guerin | kombi: i only had problems with unofficial or backported packages |
| 11:58.19 | peterpaul | in lsmod |
| 11:58.38 | peterpaul | the weird thing is that it worked on debian before but I reinstalled |
| 11:58.39 | Guerin | peterpaul: ok. modprobe snd-ad1816a snd-pcm-oss |
| 11:58.41 | kombi | Guerin: unofficial beeing everything compiled from source? |
| 11:58.50 | Guerin | kombi: no, 3rd-party repos |
| 11:59.02 | kundalini | peterpaul you can download modconf if you don't know the module..... too, Guerin is the real option |
| 11:59.11 | kombi | Guerin: ok, I must admit I occasionally still do make install stuff.. |
| 11:59.14 | streuner | kombi: /msg dpkg upgrade tests |
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| 11:59.25 | peterpaul | Guerin: it just doesnt work |
| 11:59.29 | peterpaul | I am going for another kernel |
| 11:59.33 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 11:59.33 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 11:59.33 | peterpaul | maybe 2.4 |
| 11:59.39 | kundalini | peterpaul . modconf = rmmod + modprobe.... |
| 11:59.43 | Guerin | peterpaul: no. tell me what happens, with specificity. |
| 11:59.52 | _joey | has anyone installed linux on Linksys WRT54G ? |
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| 12:00.06 | peterpaul | Guerin: what happens when I do modprobe snd-ad1816a? |
| 12:00.07 | kombi | I sit on the couch all day but I still work.. |
| 12:00.08 | _joey | wireless router |
| 12:00.08 | jacobo | I installed udev and now, on very restart, my /dev/mouse symlink is deleted. is this a bug or is it normal at all? |
| 12:00.10 | Guerin | yes |
| 12:00.10 | kundalini | peterpaul i don't know a lot, but the kernel 2.6have a lot of advantages |
| 12:00.11 | bob2 | _joey: they come with linux by default |
| 12:00.18 | _joey | bob2 they do ? |
| 12:00.27 | bob2 | _joey: yes...you can ssh to it |
| 12:00.29 | streuner | jacobo: apt-get remove udev |
| 12:00.36 | streuner | jacobo: less headaches |
| 12:01.05 | _joey | hmm, I ordered one on ebay , will receive it sometime next week |
| 12:01.05 | streuner | !fuck udev |
| 12:01.05 | kundalini | peterpaul you can probe with modconf.... you can see the option of kernel ( modules ) |
| 12:01.05 | jacobo | streuner: well, that was not what I was expecting ;) i want udev to create my /dev devices on hot usb plugs |
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| 12:01.33 | Guerin | kundalini: please stop making things more complicated than they need to be. |
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| 12:01.57 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 12:02.16 | freewoody | How difficult is it to setup a Debian PPPoE Server ? |
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| 12:03.02 | kundalini | Guerin i probe to help... but i don't know a lot... but all the opinion are good, aren't it? |
| 12:03.47 | Guerin | kundalini: either you can help himm, or I will, but both of us will just cause confusion. |
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| 12:04.15 | kombi | streuner: just did some research on upgrading to sarge, I remain a bit concerned on doing it on a production box.. |
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| 12:05.02 | kundalini | Guerin i don't think the same.... i think it's better all the possible information |
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| 12:05.19 | SiliconViper | Guerin, herm.... that's.... interesting. I think I found the problem. My clock is racing ahead rather quickly. Like... 1 minute per realtime second. I think the problem is related. |
| 12:05.34 | kundalini | Guerin .... i listen better.... :) |
| 12:05.39 | Guerin | SiliconViper: wheeee! |
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| 12:06.48 | phw | I need help upgrading my packages: when trying to upgrade my whole system i got the error "error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.2.5-11.8_i386.deb" |
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| 12:07.13 | Gandalfar | phw: try apt-get --reinstall install libc6 |
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| 12:07.37 | Guerin | phw: why are you upgrading TO woody? |
| 12:07.38 | phw | Gandalfar: i am on it |
| 12:07.40 | PtchForkLinux | Hi all- Looking for some help cleaning up a sarge install of Debian. Looking for a guide that might help me analyse dmsg output and determine any issues that are going wrong. Also looking for something that will help me which modules that are being loaded are actually useless and can be removed... ie like the 10 different ati driver modules that are currently being loaded. Can anyone point me in the right direction for this kind of info? |
| 12:07.48 | phw | Guerin: why should't I ? |
| 12:08.01 | Guerin | phw: because sarge is about to release? |
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| 12:08.16 | phw | well ok should i go straight to sarge? |
| 12:08.17 | Gandalfar | phw: you are upgrading from potato? |
| 12:08.29 | phw | i think so (to be honest its "xebian") |
| 12:08.35 | Guerin | phw: ... |
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| 12:09.15 | Guerin | upgrading two steps in one go is tricksy |
| 12:09.23 | Guerin | probably is better to go via woody |
| 12:09.34 | Guerin | but hell, you're not using debian, so anything could go wrong |
| 12:09.44 | Gandalfar | hmm, xbox linux that is |
| 12:09.55 | freewoody | Can somebody help me with Exim Mail config ? |
| 12:10.08 | phw | Gandalfar: yes it is. |
| 12:10.14 | phw | its even using the same packages |
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| 12:11.01 | sepski | freewoody, if you have a spesific question, you could try asking it. |
| 12:11.11 | Guerin | !xebian |
| 12:11.11 | dpkg | well, xebian is debian for xbox, probably comletely broken, or yet another not-debian distro |
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| 12:11.37 | Gandalfar | phw: xbox-linux.org says that xebian is sarge based |
| 12:11.45 | freewoody | Well I can't seem to sent mail to public domains like hotmail and yahoo. I am using a Class C public IP Address |
| 12:11.49 | Gandalfar | phw: forcing downgrade to woody will probably fuck up your system |
| 12:12.01 | Guerin | Gandalfar: woah |
| 12:12.07 | phw | Gandalfar: no that cant be, i have an extremely old edition |
| 12:12.14 | phw | Gandalfar: i got it 2 years ago |
| 12:12.15 | kombi | bob2, Guerin, Streuner: just looked at the problem from a different angle: the only thing I miss is php to compile with zziplib. Sources of zziplib compile fine but php does not find them, no matter what the path. Np on boxes with zziplib.deb |
| 12:12.16 | Guerin | Gandalfar: he's clearly using an old version, because that's woody's libc6 |
| 12:12.22 | phw | or was it one and a half? |
| 12:12.38 | freewoody | I can send mails only to mailing addresses in my own domain using Exim |
| 12:12.47 | Gandalfar | phw: maybe your best bet would be to reinstall it with newer version of xebian and just keep your /home |
| 12:13.06 | bob2 | freewoody: there's no such thing as class C anymore |
| 12:13.11 | bob2 | freewoody: what is your ip? |
| 12:13.16 | phw | Gandalfar: i have no keyboard here - thats my problem |
| 12:13.27 | freewoody | Well it's 202.79.52.59 |
| 12:13.29 | phw | i just can access the box via ssh |
| 12:13.42 | freewoody | ha |
| 12:13.50 | Guerin | well, try apt-get -f install |
| 12:13.53 | freewoody | it's firewall proff |
| 12:13.55 | phw | done that |
| 12:13.56 | Guerin | or apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
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| 12:13.59 | Jon | ok solved my udev problem, I'll post a write-up to the d-u list as it's been asked a few times |
| 12:14.00 | bob2 | freewoody: well, you're not in any obvious blacklists, perhaps your isp is blocking you |
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| 12:14.29 | freewoody | Well I am my ISP |
| 12:14.33 | Guerin | or try to figure out why the thing's dying - otherwise, the best bet would be to ask some xebian geeks, because we have no way of knowing what's different |
| 12:14.47 | phw | yeah, ok thanks anyway for your help |
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| 12:15.19 | freewoody | But why can I send mails to my mailing addresses of my own domain |
| 12:15.43 | bob2 | freewoody: presumably because exim handles that itself |
| 12:15.45 | Guerin | freewoody: what do your mail logs say? |
| 12:16.03 | freewoody | Delay reason: No route to host |
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| 12:16.13 | bob2 | hah |
| 12:16.17 | bob2 | pretty clear then |
| 12:16.19 | Guerin | hehe |
| 12:16.24 | Guerin | fix your network connection |
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| 12:16.30 | kullanici | Server Error |
| 12:16.30 | kullanici | Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 12:16.31 | kullanici | :) |
| 12:16.38 | freewoody | No I am connected to the Internet |
| 12:16.53 | bob2 | freewoody: read your logs |
| 12:16.55 | kombi | what's different in a library installed via apt and one compiled from source? |
| 12:17.03 | Guerin | your mta doesn't seem to think so |
| 12:17.04 | bob2 | freewoody: and find where it's trying to send it to |
| 12:17.13 | bob2 | then try to ping it |
| 12:17.14 | Guerin | kullanici: please explain why we might give a fuck |
| 12:17.21 | ermavin | problem with clamav, seams like I'm missing the file clamd.ctl file. any hints? |
| 12:17.28 | bob2 | restart it |
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| 12:17.52 | kombi | do libraries in debian default to /usr/local? |
| 12:17.57 | freewoody | Can I do something about Exim4 in the configurtion |
| 12:18.01 | kundalini | kullanici good name :) |
| 12:18.12 | Guerin | kombi: no |
| 12:18.12 | bob2 | freewoody: no, you need to read your logs |
| 12:18.14 | POVaddct | kombi: no |
| 12:18.18 | kombi | freewoody: was that a questioin? |
| 12:18.24 | bob2 | freewoody: if you're going to run a mail server, you need to understand what is going on |
| 12:18.29 | bob2 | or you screw OTHER people |
| 12:18.42 | kombi | POVaddct/Guerin: where then? |
| 12:18.52 | POVaddct | kombi: /lib and /usr/lib |
| 12:18.54 | phw | Guerin: that seemed to work |
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| 12:19.01 | kombi | thx! |
| 12:19.03 | Guerin | phw: winnah! |
| 12:19.06 | POVaddct | kombi: and /usr/X11R6/lib if you have XFree |
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| 12:19.22 | kombi | never had a desktop in my life.. |
| 12:19.35 | csy | is there a decent control panel available for exim/courier? just controlling smtp/pop3 accounts etc |
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| 12:19.53 | phw | Guerin merci and bye |
| 12:20.23 | freewoody | Well bob2, can you try to explain that to me |
| 12:20.26 | OxO1 | merci beaucoup |
| 12:20.31 | freewoody | I am trying to run a Mail Server |
| 12:20.41 | bob2 | yes, we know, you've been asking for help for a week now |
| 12:20.55 | bob2 | do you know how to read logs files? |
| 12:21.07 | Guerin | !logs |
| 12:21.08 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 12:21.19 | abrotman | !log |
| 12:21.19 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your log!, or "It's log, log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's log, log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 12:21.23 | abrotman | :) |
| 12:21.23 | OxO1 | tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 12:21.36 | freewoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.39 | kombi | freewoody: there is this bullet proof install script in exim, should get you there with allmost no knowledge allthough that is heavily recommended.. |
| 12:21.53 | kombi | the latter i mean |
| 12:21.54 | bob2 | freewoody: ok, that's not useful |
| 12:21.57 | Guerin | dpkg, log =~ s#log#/var/log#g |
| 12:21.57 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 12:22.00 | bob2 | freewoody: you didn't actually show us the whole line |
| 12:22.03 | Guerin | !log |
| 12:22.04 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 12:22.14 | bob2 | freewoody: if you want help, show us the last 20 lines in #flood (not here) |
| 12:22.16 | Guerin | better |
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| 12:23.33 | freewoody | 2005-05-22 18:08:13 1DZpTP-0000uI-Vt == freewoody@yahoo.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (113): No route to host |
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| 12:23.48 | Guerin | !fuck freewoody |
| 12:23.51 | bob2 | freewoody: what's your native language? |
| 12:23.57 | Guerin | moronese |
| 12:24.02 | freewoody | 2005-05-22 18:08:19 1DZpU6-0000uW-FN == freebsdbox@yahoo.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (113): No route to host |
| 12:24.03 | force | can someone direct me to a document that explains in depth howto secure 'ps', so that users can only see processes they're running and nothing else |
| 12:24.10 | Guerin | or maybe fucktardian |
| 12:24.13 | OxO1 | freewoody do u have a valid dns server? |
| 12:24.24 | Guerin | force: god, not another one like you |
| 12:24.27 | PerfDave | force: UML! |
| 12:24.30 | bob2 | force: er, how would altering ps help? all that information is in /proc/. |
| 12:24.39 | Gathond | force: installe a kernel patch like grsecurity or selinux |
| 12:24.47 | bob2 | force: if you really care, www.grsecurity.net, but I don't think you really know why you want to do this |
| 12:24.47 | Guerin | force: you want usermodelinux or grsecurity |
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| 12:24.50 | freewoody | Of course I have |
| 12:24.57 | force | it's already a uml kernel |
| 12:25.01 | Gathond | bob2: I assume he wants to make the /proc entries non readable |
| 12:25.06 | bob2 | freewoody: what is your native language? |
| 12:25.08 | freewoody | but it's not the machine I am using right now |
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| 12:25.15 | freewoody | WEll it's English |
| 12:25.22 | force | okay, so if i secure the permissions in /proc, what files should i secure? |
| 12:25.29 | Guerin | then you need to have one uml per user, if you don't want them to see what each other is doing |
| 12:25.39 | Guerin | force: you can't, and shouldn't. |
| 12:25.51 | Gathond | force: install a kernel patch doing it, dont change permissions in /proc |
| 12:26.00 | bob2 | force: grsecurity.net, uml or selinux |
| 12:26.01 | Guerin | the stuff in /proc/ is vital to the running of a bunch of programs. |
| 12:26.06 | freewoody | So what could be wrong with my Exim4 configuration ? |
| 12:26.07 | bob2 | force: but do actually think about what you're trying to do |
| 12:26.08 | Gathond | if that is even supported as it is a virtual filesystem |
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| 12:26.22 | bob2 | force: since this is pointless and silly on any usefullly configured system |
| 12:26.30 | bob2 | freewoody: you didn't do what I said |
| 12:26.38 | force | bob2: how is it pointless? |
| 12:26.44 | abrotman | !qotd114 |
| 12:26.44 | dpkg | methinks qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 12:26.54 | liquide | any of you know a good bittorrent client with a web interface? wanna run it on one of the servers, so i have americas army until i get home.. it cant have a gui |
| 12:26.55 | bob2 | force: it gains you n osecurity, no useful program puts confidential information on the command line |
| 12:27.01 | bob2 | liquide: torrentflux |
| 12:27.05 | Guerin | as soon as someone can tell me what useful security benefit hiding processes from other users would achieve, i'll admit it's not an utterly ridiculous idea |
| 12:27.13 | abrotman | liquide: how about a CLI client ? |
| 12:27.21 | Guerin | force: please convince me |
| 12:27.40 | Gathond | bob2: he might be paranoid over peoble seeing that he runs btdownloadcurses goatse.cx_pron.torrent :) |
| 12:27.43 | peterS | bob2,Guerin: it makes /tmp races a whole lot harder to exploit |
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| 12:27.46 | doleyb | Guerin what webpage can i see all your processes? |
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| 12:27.59 | liquide | Gathond lol |
| 12:28.00 | force | Guerin: limiting the information one can gain |
| 12:28.05 | peterS | of course that assumes you *have* programs with /tmp races on the system, and an interesting user is running them |
| 12:28.07 | bob2 | freewoody: please paste the last 20 lines of /var/log/mail.log to #flood |
| 12:28.07 | Guerin | doleyb: http://localhost |
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| 12:28.15 | Guerin | force: about what? |
| 12:28.27 | Guerin | peterS: ok. that's one small gain for a hell of a lot of work. |
| 12:28.43 | moi | hey, is it possible to hear music from a cdrom drive which isn't connect to the soundcard? |
| 12:28.45 | bob2 | then it's just papering over /tmp races |
| 12:28.47 | force | Guerin: usernames, flags, commands |
| 12:28.49 | peterS | Guerin: I wouldn't hide /proc on my systems. too much pain, as you seem to agree |
| 12:28.49 | bob2 | which are still exploitable |
| 12:28.52 | Gandalfar | Guerin: it prevents users from spying on other users and their cmd line parameters |
| 12:28.56 | bob2 | force: people can cat /etc/passwd |
| 12:28.57 | PerfDave | force: Why is hiding that information useful? |
| 12:29.03 | bob2 | Gathond: nothing private should be going on the command line anyway |
| 12:29.09 | bob2 | moi: xmms-cdread can |
| 12:29.15 | Guerin | force, Gathond: what does this matter? |
| 12:29.17 | force | PerfDave: if i was to attack a system, i'd find that information useful |
| 12:29.22 | PerfDave | force: No, you wouldn't. |
| 12:29.27 | freewoody | #flood |
| 12:29.29 | PerfDave | And it's "if I were" |
| 12:29.32 | Gathond | Guerin: ? |
| 12:29.42 | Guerin | Gathond: how is it a meaningful security gain? |
| 12:29.57 | doleyb | even users knowing when other users are online can be a privacy violation |
| 12:29.58 | Guerin | Gathond: ooh, fred is running wget http://porn.4.me.net |
| 12:30.05 | moi | bob2, nice. thanks |
| 12:30.16 | Guerin | doleyb: that's what UML and other such things are for |
| 12:30.34 | force | PerfDave: beleive what you want, im limiting it, i just thought you might be a little more helpful and less criticizing |
| 12:30.41 | Guerin | if you have such an arm's-length security policy, there are tools to make oit work - not half-arsed hacks |
| 12:30.51 | Gandalfar | Guerin: uml can be overkill since they have to administer whole system then |
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| 12:31.09 | freewoody | bob2, what do I paste the lines with #flood |
| 12:31.14 | Guerin | Gandalfar: no, they don't. the master user (root of roots) can do it all by ssh |
| 12:31.25 | bob2 | freewoody: is nepalese easier for you to understand? |
| 12:31.25 | abrotman | bob2: english .. right .. |
| 12:31.31 | PerfDave | force: I'm being helpful by saving you a lot of effort for no reward. |
| 12:31.35 | Gathond | Guerin: it is not as such, it can be a privacy gain though, i suppose |
| 12:31.44 | Gandalfar | Guerin: it seems a bit too much work to administer a separete system for each normal user |
| 12:31.44 | freewoody | Well I don't know how to speak Nepalese |
| 12:31.51 | freewoody | Well I studied in Singapore |
| 12:32.10 | bob2 | freewoody: english is your first language? |
| 12:32.11 | force | PerfDave: any information gain is a gain no less. |
| 12:32.16 | freewoody | Yes it is |
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| 12:32.33 | Guerin | Gandalfar: well, if the individual users have such stringent requirements, they'll accept the natural consequences of those requirements. |
| 12:32.34 | abrotman | bob2: i are skeptical |
| 12:32.40 | bob2 | hehe |
| 12:32.45 | PerfDave | force: Yes, and I can pick up a handful of dirt from the ground and have more stuff, but it's not useful to me. |
| 12:32.51 | bob2 | freewoody: the last 20 lines of /var/log/mail.log |
| 12:32.52 | doleyb | UML is not a "natural consequence" of "i want hidden ps" |
| 12:33.05 | PerfDave | force: If you really want to waste your time with it, then you've been given some ways of doing so :) |
| 12:33.05 | freewoody | #flood 2005-05-22 16:34:35 1DZo1P-0000hA-Bs Completed |
| 12:33.06 | freewoody | 2005-05-22 16:55:46 Start queue run: pid=2754 |
| 12:33.06 | freewoody | 2005-05-22 16:55:46 1DZiGZ-0000IE-3X Message is frozen |
| 12:33.06 | freewoody | 2005-05-22 16:55:46 1DZiGZ-0000IO-6R Message is frozen |
| 12:33.06 | freewoody | 2005-05-22 16:55:46 End queue run: pid=2754 |
| 12:33.06 | freewoody | 2005-05-22 17:25:47 Start queue run: pid=2876 |
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| 12:33.07 | abrotman | perhaps he should try another smtp server if he can't figure out exim |
| 12:33.12 | abrotman | wow .. i |
| 12:33.15 | abrotman | i |
| 12:33.18 | Guerin | the fact of the matter is that there are systems in existence for this - no use trying to put a round 'normal unix' peg into a square 's3krit squ1rr3l' hole |
| 12:33.22 | abrotman | erm .. speechless |
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| 12:33.28 | PerfDave | Figuring out exim is not too hard, if you read the manpage :) |
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| 12:33.35 | force | PerfDave: if i'm learning, it is not a waste of time |
| 12:33.45 | Gathond | Guerin: the /proc thing could also shield discorevy of exploitable software run by others (even root) i suppose, and thereby adding some additional security, kinda lik mounting /tmp noexec, not at all bulletprof but might be a part of some larger scheme |
| 12:33.46 | PerfDave | force: You could be learning something useful :) |
| 12:33.48 | crashbg | what can i use instead of adobe autition/cool edit? |
| 12:34.11 | Gandalfar | crashbg: audacity |
| 12:34.12 | force | Gathond: indeed |
| 12:34.15 | Guerin | Gathond: i suppose you use iptables DROP too, to make your box invisible? |
| 12:34.23 | PerfDave | Or, you know, going out to bars, meeting people of your preferred gender or genders, stuff like that :) |
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| 12:34.37 | Guerin | what about the fact that any random idiot can use dpkg -l to find out what's installed on any given system? |
| 12:34.46 | abrotman | bob2: maybe he's not coming back ? |
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| 12:34.56 | Gandalfar | Guerin: chroot them? |
| 12:34.58 | crashbg | thank you Gandalfar :) i've used it before but the name was that what i was missing :) |
| 12:35.19 | doleyb | dpkg -l doesn't show all that's installed, and it doesn't show what actually gets run |
| 12:35.20 | dpkg | No packages found matching doesn't show all that's installed, and it doesn't show what actually gets run |
| 12:35.23 | Guerin | Gandalfar: oh, so having everyone use a UML chroot is too much work, but a normal chroot with separate package management is ok? |
| 12:35.29 | Guerin | come on, gimme a fucking break. |
| 12:35.40 | abrotman | doleyb: how do you figure? |
| 12:35.44 | Gathond | Guerin: not much point in that, since that in no meaningful way makes you invisible |
| 12:36.05 | Jon | setting up a uml is a pain in the ass |
| 12:36.10 | Jon | especially if you need networking |
| 12:36.16 | Guerin | it does show all that's installed via dpkg, and since /usr/local and friends are all o+r, it's trivial to see what else is installed |
| 12:36.31 | doleyb | No. An executable prog in ~ is still installed. |
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| 12:36.49 | abrotman | doleyb: a what in where ? |
| 12:36.55 | Gathond | Guerin: besides there might be a difference from knowing an exploitable piece of software is installed to knowing that a user runs it, so you actually can exploit it to access something as him perhaps |
| 12:37.11 | Guerin | the best idea is to make and keep your system secure enough that it CAN'T be cracked by any known methods, not to obfuscate |
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| 12:37.27 | force | Gathond: that's exactly what i thought |
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| 12:38.06 | abrotman | bob2: prepare the catapult! |
| 12:38.12 | bob2 | freewoody: dude |
| 12:38.13 | Gathond | force: do however note, that this is all a moot point if you dont do as Guerin says as well, and that it might therefore not be worth the trouble |
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| 12:38.15 | bob2 | freewoody: I said in #flood |
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| 12:38.52 | Guerin | my main objection to this sort of thing is that it's often a measure taken instead of real security measures |
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| 12:39.00 | crylyx | hi, im trying to install realplayer on sarge. its prompting me where to install the firefox plugins. what might be the right path for that? |
| 12:39.02 | force | the hardest hurdle i find, is attempting to secure against something i have no knowledge of. |
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| 12:39.16 | abrotman | that must give you ulcers |
| 12:39.27 | Guerin | and the fact of the matter is that if you take your other security measures seriously, it yields such a small benefit as to be not worth the effort |
| 12:39.37 | PerfDave | force: Unplug your systems from the Internet :) |
| 12:39.41 | abrotman | force: do your best .. |
| 12:39.50 | Guerin | force: read s.d.n and securityfocus and friends |
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| 12:39.55 | Gathond | Guerin: and my point is that doing that sort of thing in addition to real security measures might be a benefit |
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| 12:40.05 | PerfDave | And read debian-security-announce, always! |
| 12:40.06 | force | yay, and what has that achieved PerfDave? nothing but added a layer of so called security |
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| 12:40.20 | force | i do |
| 12:40.25 | Guerin | that's all you can really do, unless part of your job description is to test software for exploits |
| 12:40.27 | PerfDave | force: Uhm, unplugging your systems from the net is the best security against remote attackers you can have. |
| 12:40.43 | PerfDave | force: It's not "so called security" at all |
| 12:40.47 | doleyb | PerfDave: hes talking about local attackers of course |
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| 12:41.11 | PerfDave | doleyb: Is he? I thought he was talking about anyone with the ability to run "ps" |
| 12:41.24 | doleyb | once you can run ps, you are local |
| 12:41.25 | force | not if its attached to a PSTN |
| 12:41.27 | force | :\ |
| 12:42.06 | PerfDave | doleyb: Yeah, but if you're not connected to the Internet, it massively limits the number of people who can get to that stage ;) |
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| 12:42.45 | doleyb | its about protecting users from each other. if I run a college server, i don't want each student to see the others' filenames. |
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| 12:43.03 | PerfDave | doleyb: Still seems totally pointless to me :) |
| 12:43.09 | Rydekull_ | eh.. wtf? |
| 12:43.18 | Guerin | doleyb: then you'd better use UML or grsec or SEL |
| 12:43.20 | Anders1 | Rydekull_: ? |
| 12:43.43 | Guerin | that's the thing: do it if you really want to: just use the right tool for the job |
| 12:43.44 | doleyb | so, a tremendous amount of more hardware and admin work then? |
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| 12:43.52 | abrotman | doleyb: dunno which Uni you went to .. but ls worked just fine at mine :) |
| 12:43.59 | Guerin | doleyb: know another way of doing it? |
| 12:44.10 | coll | this is so horrible, im after a dist-upgrade and the system is broken |
| 12:44.19 | Rydekull_ | oh err... the #debian-overflow thing.. just noticed |
| 12:44.20 | Guerin | coll: define broken |
| 12:44.24 | caphuso | Guerin: chmod go-x $(which ps) ;-) |
| 12:44.25 | PerfDave | It's not really a tremendous amount of work :) |
| 12:44.29 | valdyn | coll: apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 12:44.35 | coll | yes valdyn |
| 12:44.38 | Guerin | caphuso: nooooo |
| 12:44.45 | valdyn | coll: didnt we tell you to use aptitude? |
| 12:44.55 | coll | well there's no kde/gnome and apt-get install kde wines about unmet dependencies |
| 12:45.08 | PerfDave | for chroot in /chroots/*; do dchroot $chroot -c 'apt-get update'; done |
| 12:45.14 | coll | valdyn: in the middle of dist-upgrade |
| 12:45.20 | Guerin | caphuso: and watch the flood of mails as users find themselves unable to killall failed programmming projects |
| 12:45.27 | valdyn | coll: you can still use it |
| 12:45.43 | coll | aptitude upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 12:45.44 | Guerin | coll: apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 12:45.54 | valdyn | coll: repeating apt-get dist-upgrade *might* accomplish the same, i dont know |
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| 12:46.27 | coll | should i apt-get -f dist-upgrade or start with the aptitude process? |
| 12:46.36 | Guerin | try -f first |
| 12:46.45 | valdyn | coll: "13:06 < valdyn> !tell coll about woody->sarge", you can also /msg dpkg yourself |
| 12:46.50 | abrotman | -f install ? |
| 12:47.02 | Guerin | -f works with any action |
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| 12:47.30 | coll | valdyn: as i was saying, that was in the middle of an apt-get dist-upgrade operation |
| 12:47.34 | stupidkid | how do i get my ipaddress if i'm behind a router? |
| 12:47.48 | Guerin | stupidkid: whatismyip.com |
| 12:47.51 | valdyn | coll: no problem, nothing is lost |
| 12:48.00 | coll | yeah, i've now lauched apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
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| 12:48.05 | coll | we'll see what happens when it finishes |
| 12:48.09 | stupidkid | Guerin, can you help me make a script to get that ip? |
| 12:48.16 | stupidkid | i think just a line of script |
| 12:48.25 | jorbun | iplookup.flashfxp.com |
| 12:48.29 | valdyn | coll: do what guerin said or use aptitude, apt-get does not resolve all dependencies correctly, so you just only halfway thru the upgrade and that is your problem. |
| 12:48.29 | stupidkid | use lynx to get it |
| 12:48.30 | jorbun | returns nothing but the ip |
| 12:48.31 | coll | kdm was starting up and i was booting defaultly to windowmaker and i was like whats that? hehe |
| 12:49.13 | Guerin | stupidkid: hell, you could probably grep it out of the html on that page, but that'd be dirty |
| 12:49.19 | coll | ok so im doing the -f dist-upgrade if things remain broken ill go through the aptitude process |
| 12:49.22 | Guerin | i don't know a smarter way of doing it |
| 12:49.42 | jorbun | simple perl script to return the contents of iplookup.flashfxp.com |
| 12:49.42 | coll | thanks though |
| 12:49.44 | Guerin | coll: better to just try and jump each hurdle as it comes |
| 12:50.05 | Guerin | oh, sweet |
| 12:50.08 | Guerin | that's just text |
| 12:50.12 | jorbun | yea |
| 12:50.18 | Guerin | much better |
| 12:50.19 | shingouz | stupidkid: get a dyndns account and apt-get the client into place if you are trying to set up a server there. if you are trying to do something else.... i have no clue |
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| 12:50.45 | Guerin | hrm, speaking of which |
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| 12:50.54 | stupidkid | shingouz, oh |
| 12:51.04 | Guerin | are there dyndns accounts foir which I can use my own tld? |
| 12:51.12 | Guerin | as in, can I script the nameserver updates myself? |
| 12:51.24 | Guerin | or would I have to write something for that? |
| 12:51.29 | shingouz | Guerin: not sure, did you check dyndns already? |
| 12:51.44 | Guerin | yeah, they want to charge if you use your own tld |
| 12:51.52 | shingouz | oh |
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| 12:51.56 | coll | Guerin: use updatedd |
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| 12:52.10 | clown | :) |
| 12:52.15 | stupidkid | lynx -dump http://www.whatismyip.com | grep Your IP Is? |
| 12:52.17 | stupidkid | like this |
| 12:52.18 | stupidkid | ? |
| 12:52.27 | stupidkid | how do i return my ipaddress |
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| 12:52.45 | OxO1 | stupidkid |
| 12:52.48 | OxO1 | ifconfig eth0 :) |
| 12:52.56 | stupidkid | i'm behind a router |
| 12:52.57 | coll | stupidkid: why not get the ip address from ifconfig? |
| 12:53.03 | bob2 | Guerin: do you have a static ip? |
| 12:53.03 | stupidkid | i hate router :( |
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| 12:53.12 | Guerin | bob2: i do, but my mum doesn't |
| 12:53.15 | coll | well here's an easy way to do it then |
| 12:53.23 | coll | stupidkid: wget iplookup.flashfxp.com |
| 12:53.25 | Guerin | and it's a huge pain trying to ask her to find her ip anytime I want to ssh in |
| 12:53.31 | stupidkid | oh wait |
| 12:53.31 | coll | stupidkid: you'll get an index.html file with your ip in it |
| 12:53.32 | KoopaPoopa | whats a good package to burn mp3 cds? |
| 12:53.33 | OxO1 | lynx -dump http://www.whatismyip.com | grep Your IP Is | awk '{ print $4 }'; |
| 12:53.38 | force | stupidkid: SNMP? |
| 12:53.40 | OxO1 | :) |
| 12:53.40 | Guerin | since she had no idea what an ip address was until about a week ago |
| 12:53.56 | Guerin | stupidkid: use jorbun's idea |
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| 12:53.57 | sepski | Guerin, add a favories to whatismyip.com |
| 12:53.57 | bob2 | Guerin: ah |
| 12:54.00 | stupidkid | vlan1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:17:2C:0A:C7 |
| 12:54.00 | stupidkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.00 | stupidkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.00 | stupidkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.00 | stupidkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.00 | sepski | :P |
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| 12:54.04 | Guerin | sepski: oh, I have |
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| 12:54.15 | bob2 | Guerin: ddt-client and ddt-server are both in debian if you want to set that up |
| 12:54.18 | stupidkid | sorry |
| 12:54.19 | Anders1 | stupidkid: #flood |
| 12:54.19 | stupidkid | :D |
| 12:54.23 | stupidkid | yeah |
| 12:54.23 | Guerin | actually, I don't technically have a static ip ... but it hasn't changed since I've had it |
| 12:54.29 | Guerin | hrm, cool |
| 12:54.29 | coll | stupidkid: whats in route -n? |
| 12:54.31 | shingouz | stupidkid: is vlan1 the one you are connected to the internet? |
| 12:54.44 | OxO1 | stupidkid did you do it? |
| 12:54.46 | stupidkid | c24.177.52.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.252.0 U 0 0 0 vlan1 |
| 12:55.02 | OxO1 | stupidkid you are really newbie! |
| 12:55.03 | stupidkid | my ip in in vlan1 |
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| 12:55.14 | stupidkid | yeah i'm a newbie :D |
| 12:55.25 | coll | stupidkid: do this: wget iplookup.flashfxp.com and then do: cat index.html |
| 12:55.31 | shingouz | stupidkid: is vlan1 the interface you use to connect to the internet? |
| 12:55.38 | stupidkid | yes |
| 12:55.38 | coll | stupidkid: see if its working for you |
| 12:55.42 | yang | Does anyone know how to write a proper MP3 cd with k3b? My cdplayer doesnt want to play it, it says unknown CD type, while I can mount it and play on my computer... |
| 12:55.49 | stupidkid | shingouz, i'm using openwrt |
| 12:56.10 | shingouz | stupidkid: that *is* the ip you have publicly then, that ip is not a private ip so you are not behind a router, the router is in bridging mode |
| 12:56.37 | OxO1 | lynx -dump http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/ > /tmp/myip; cat /tmp/myip;rm /tmp/myip; :) |
| 12:56.38 | OxO1 | lynx -dump http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/ > /tmp/myip; cat /tmp/myip;rm /tmp/myip; |
| 12:56.38 | doleyb | yang: your sure your cdplayer can do mp3? |
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| 12:56.55 | stupidkid | shingouz, can i pm you? |
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| 12:56.57 | shingouz | stupidkid: no |
| 12:57.09 | stupidkid | ok |
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| 12:57.40 | Guerin | bollocks to that |
| 12:57.48 | Guerin | just pipe it into whatever you want to use it |
| 12:57.51 | shingouz | stupidkid: whatismyip.com and compare the ip you get from there to the one ifconfig tells vlan1 has. if they are the same you do not need to use anything else but ifconfig to get the ip, that simple |
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| 12:57.55 | doleyb | OxO1: why don't you add 2 or 3 more > tmpfile;cat tmpfile onto that? |
| 12:57.55 | Guerin | christ |
| 12:57.57 | stupidkid | yeah |
| 12:58.01 | stupidkid | thanks all :D |
| 12:58.03 | stupidkid | i got it |
| 12:58.11 | yang | doleyb: I have some mp3 cds burned from before, they play well on that cdplayer |
| 12:58.18 | OxO1 | ? |
| 12:58.28 | Guerin | shingouz: you're way behind. whatismyip is a nasty html page. iplookup.flashfxp is just the text |
| 12:58.29 | yang | doleyb: I am just burning with unproper format with my k3b |
| 12:58.39 | shingouz | Guerin: ok :) |
| 12:58.47 | doleyb | what did your burn with before? |
| 12:59.02 | yang | doleyb: I think those were burned with NERO windows |
| 12:59.23 | doleyb | did you add joliet to k3b? |
| 12:59.42 | yang | doleyb: it says burning with iso9660 joliet 2 |
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| 13:00.23 | Guerin | add rockridge too |
| 13:00.39 | joris | I'm looking for a way to forward all outgoing traffic (with a host/port filter) to another machine - but the traffic originates from localhost, it's not routed traffic (so transparant proxy style setups don't work) |
| 13:00.45 | joris | all ideas welcome |
| 13:00.52 | bob2 | why? |
| 13:00.58 | OxO1 | joris SNAT |
| 13:00.59 | OxO1 | :) |
| 13:01.00 | yang | doleyb: do i have to add generate joliet extensions? |
| 13:01.11 | clown | im using mepis @ present ,since i really like debian based distros,would it be worth installing new debian 30 r5 |
| 13:01.20 | doleyb | yang: I think they would make the disc seem more like what windows would make. |
| 13:01.21 | bob2 | no |
| 13:01.29 | bob2 | don't bother install debian 2.2r5 |
| 13:01.36 | bob2 | and please be careful when giving version numbers |
| 13:01.42 | bob2 | installing debian 3.0 is a good idea, tho |
| 13:01.43 | Guerin | !d-1 clown |
| 13:01.46 | stupidkid | http://rafb.net/paste/results/CUu9My31.html << can you help me take out ipv4 only? |
| 13:01.47 | bob2 | when it exists |
| 13:01.47 | Guerin | no |
| 13:01.53 | Guerin | bob2: itym 3.1 |
| 13:01.53 | stupidkid | by using grep |
| 13:01.56 | joris | OxO1: I tought SNAT was only applicable on the nat table, and therefore only for routed traffic? |
| 13:01.59 | bob2 | bah |
| 13:02.01 | bob2 | I'm an idiot |
| 13:02.06 | stupidkid | hehehe |
| 13:02.10 | Guerin | !beer bob2 |
| 13:02.12 | shingouz | !tell clown about d-i |
| 13:02.21 | bob2 | see |
| 13:02.21 | Guerin | d-1 |
| 13:02.25 | Guerin | i'm an idiot too |
| 13:02.30 | bob2 | of all the beers people have offered, guinness is the only one I've heard of |
| 13:02.32 | stupidkid | shingouz, ya look at mine post? |
| 13:02.39 | clown | whats d-i |
| 13:02.43 | Guerin | i blame Nick Cave for making me miserable |
| 13:02.47 | bob2 | clown: my apoligies |
| 13:02.50 | bob2 | Guerin: he'll do that |
| 13:02.52 | Guerin | clown: it's the debian installer |
| 13:02.55 | clown | ok |
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| 13:03.15 | doleyb | bob2: want Polygamy Port (the utah beer) ? |
| 13:03.15 | Guerin | bob2: hah, that's the exact song I'm listening to |
| 13:03.15 | shingouz | stupidkid: it is the inet address |
| 13:03.24 | Guerin | !bob2++ |
| 13:03.26 | clown | would version 30r5 be worth dload |
| 13:03.30 | Guerin | clown: no. |
| 13:03.32 | PerfDave | Nick Cave is teh awesome |
| 13:03.33 | clown | k |
| 13:03.38 | stupidkid | shingouz, it's my ipv4 |
| 13:03.43 | bob2 | doleyb: haha |
| 13:03.45 | stupidkid | how do i strip out ipv4 |
| 13:03.57 | shingouz | ? |
| 13:03.59 | Guerin | stupidkid: out of what? |
| 13:04.08 | clown | so what version should i dload,as 30 r5 is latest |
| 13:04.16 | stupidkid | /sbin/ifconfig | grep -1 vlan1 | cut -s -d ' ' -f12 | grep addr | cut -d ':' -f2 |
| 13:04.30 | bob2 | clown: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, get one of those |
| 13:04.31 | Guerin | clown: get the prerelease of 3.1 - it's about to be released, and is much more usable. |
| 13:04.38 | clown | k |
| 13:04.40 | shingouz | clown: install sarge. 3.1 |
| 13:04.42 | clown | ty |
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| 13:05.10 | joris | stupidkid: something like this http://rafb.net/paste/results/Dqu7Dz70.html |
| 13:05.15 | DerSchotte | stupidkid: ifconfig | grep -A1 vlan1 | grep inet | sed 's/.*addr://' | sed 's/ Bcast.*//' |
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| 13:05.27 | stupidkid | oh yeah :D |
| 13:05.32 | stupidkid | awesome DerSchotte |
| 13:05.37 | stupidkid | thanks :) |
| 13:05.48 | DerSchotte | np :) |
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| 13:05.51 | stupidkid | hehe |
| 13:05.57 | joris | stupidkid: you're better off filtering on interface with ifconfig directly (if you have vlan12 or something you'll match it too with your rule) |
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| 13:06.00 | stupidkid | i'm trying to make an ipv6 script |
| 13:06.06 | stupidkid | yep |
| 13:06.06 | bob2 | stupidkid: ifconfig|grep -A1 \^eth1|tail -n1 | awk '{print $2}'|sed -e's/^addr://' |
| 13:06.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:06.18 | stupidkid | hehe |
| 13:06.19 | stupidkid | nice |
| 13:06.30 | Guerin | i was working on a line materially identical to bob2's |
| 13:06.36 | bob2 | haha |
| 13:06.44 | DerSchotte | Lots of ways to go, that's why I love *nix :D |
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| 13:06.45 | bob2 | Guerin: our brains are creepily entangled tonight ot something |
| 13:06.55 | Guerin | this is worrisome |
| 13:06.59 | bob2 | reeeeeeeeeeed right hand. |
| 13:07.19 | Guerin | bob2: it's all about the curse of millhaven |
| 13:07.19 | shingouz | Guerin: bob2 check your routing tables ;) |
| 13:07.35 | bob2 | I think Nick Cave is unique in being the only famous australian artist who wasn't stolen from NZ |
| 13:07.39 | Guerin | haha |
| 13:07.44 | PerfDave | bob2: Big Electric Cat? |
| 13:07.58 | Guerin | i dunno, there's midnight oil and cold chisel/jimmy barnes and kylie too |
| 13:08.09 | Guerin | much as they may or may not deserve their fame |
| 13:08.11 | shingouz | and men at work |
| 13:08.13 | bob2 | PerfDave: I've never even heard of them! |
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| 13:08.19 | Guerin | nor me |
| 13:08.27 | bob2 | men at work are famous outside australia? |
| 13:08.28 | bob2 | deary me |
| 13:08.33 | gahan | where do i get debian-amd64 iso? |
| 13:08.36 | shingouz | bob2: you would be surprised |
| 13:08.45 | Guerin | gahan: #debian-amd64 will know |
| 13:08.57 | Guerin | so how many NZ musicians have y'all heard of? |
| 13:09.04 | shingouz | are there any? ;) |
| 13:09.05 | bob2 | shihad! |
| 13:09.05 | abrotman | midnight oil ? |
| 13:09.11 | Guerin | abrotman: they ozzies |
| 13:09.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:09.20 | bob2 | crowded house, tali, russell crow. |
| 13:09.21 | abrotman | i guess |
| 13:09.26 | abrotman | inxs ? |
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| 13:09.30 | Guerin | shihad might be better known in US as pacifier, which they've since ditched |
| 13:09.36 | bob2 | abrotman: they're ours too |
| 13:09.37 | Guerin | inxs is australian too |
| 13:09.40 | Guerin | for ahsme! |
| 13:09.45 | Guerin | and shame, too |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:10.07 | clown | sarge i386 = 14 iso images |
| 13:10.09 | resiak | Guerin: Zed? :) |
| 13:10.13 | Guerin | clown: get the d-i |
| 13:10.16 | abrotman | !d-i clown |
| 13:10.17 | dpkg | clown, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:10.17 | clown | k |
| 13:10.19 | Guerin | resiak: you've heard of zed? |
| 13:10.22 | resiak | Guerin: Yes. |
| 13:10.26 | resiak | Guerin: s/of // |
| 13:10.27 | abrotman | !tell clown about woody->sarge |
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| 13:10.39 | DerSchotte | 14 iso images :O |
| 13:10.40 | Guerin | resiak: heh, they were pretty big when I left. |
| 13:10.45 | Guerin | the Datsuns? |
| 13:10.45 | shingouz | abrotman: not installed yet... ;) |
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| 13:10.50 | bob2 | hm, I haven't heard of zed |
| 13:11.01 | snadge | anyone know what happened to FCE Ultra? (nintendo emulator) |
| 13:11.05 | Guerin | bob2: averageish melody-rock |
| 13:11.26 | abrotman | shingouz: oh ... sorree |
| 13:11.29 | Guerin | the datsuns are worth a listen, shihad are outstanding, hlah is splatter-core of the best kind |
| 13:11.29 | bob2 | ah |
| 13:11.39 | Guerin | PerfDave: you might like hlah |
| 13:11.42 | resiak | Guerin: My next-door neighbour in London is half Kiwi, and discovered them when he was visiting. I'm not wild about 'em, but they worlk. |
| 13:11.49 | PerfDave | Hlaghl? |
| 13:11.59 | Guerin | PerfDave: acronym of head like a hole |
| 13:12.10 | bob2 | I was quite amused to find The Waifs in the "world/folk music" section of hmv in london |
| 13:12.10 | PerfDave | Guerin: HLAGHL! |
| 13:12.23 | Guerin | your pronunciation is eerily correct |
| 13:12.37 | Guerin | King Kapisi? |
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| 13:12.51 | Guerin | i suppose none of you bunch of anglos like hip hop |
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| 13:13.03 | bob2 | oh, i've seen him |
| 13:13.05 | PerfDave | Guerin: Yeah, and white men can't jump! ;p |
| 13:13.07 | bob2 | his turntablist is awesome |
| 13:13.14 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:13.16 | aminal | Has anyone installed gnome 2.10? |
| 13:13.20 | OxO1 | me |
| 13:13.37 | OxO1 | but its not supported by gnome |
| 13:13.40 | Guerin | i lived in his sisters' old flat for a while, they came back to visit now and again |
| 13:13.48 | bob2 | haha |
| 13:13.49 | aminal | OxO1: do I need to download all the packages individualy? |
| 13:13.56 | sussudio | >>> CTCP VERSION request from freenode-connect ? |
| 13:13.58 | Guerin | the only man I know with more hair then me |
| 13:13.59 | streuner | Guerin: Emninem! |
| 13:14.04 | Guerin | s/then/than/ |
| 13:14.05 | streuner | Guerin: Eminem! |
| 13:14.11 | Guerin | streuner: bah |
| 13:14.12 | bob2 | Guerin: we should have a hairoff |
| 13:14.15 | OxO1 | if you want to install it |
| 13:14.22 | Guerin | bob2: you have teh hair?!? |
| 13:14.23 | OxO1 | you need to use it with your own risk |
| 13:14.31 | Guerin | i thought you must be a ballead |
| 13:14.32 | aminal | OxO1: of course. |
| 13:14.33 | streuner | sussudio: to get infos about magic botnet... |
| 13:14.40 | bob2 | hey, I'm only 16 |
| 13:14.42 | bob2 | I'm not bald yet |
| 13:14.46 | aminal | OxO1: That's how everything else goes. |
| 13:14.47 | coll | its asking me to stop the kdm and im telling it not to |
| 13:14.52 | coll | and then it just freezes |
| 13:15.04 | Guerin | haha |
| 13:15.08 | aminal | unless I can do a simple re-install of the current gnome-panel |
| 13:15.09 | sussudio | streuner: bots don't return versions |
| 13:15.11 | OxO1 | because you will use all packets of ubuntu |
| 13:15.12 | Guerin | 16 and a bit, right |
| 13:15.15 | streuner | sussudio: true... |
| 13:15.16 | aminal | Because, it's completely fucked |
| 13:15.26 | Guerin | coll: make it stop kdm |
| 13:15.30 | aminal | OxO1: they got these from Ubuntu? |
| 13:15.36 | coll | Guerin: now its just too late :p |
| 13:15.41 | Guerin | coll: better yet, kill all X processes before doing the upgrade |
| 13:15.51 | OxO1 | yes |
| 13:15.55 | OxO1 | http://www.bashprofile.net/article.php3?id_article=366 |
| 13:15.55 | abrotman | packets ? |
| 13:16.05 | aminal | OxO1: 2.10... is that still only available in Hoary? |
| 13:16.16 | Guerin | abrotman: translation of package into other languages comes back as packets |
| 13:16.22 | OxO1 | yes, but its more easy if you will compile this |
| 13:16.25 | OxO1 | i do it |
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| 13:16.38 | Guerin | um, why are we doing ubuntu things in here? |
| 13:16.44 | Guerin | just asking... |
| 13:16.49 | abrotman | aminal: which version of debian are you running ? |
| 13:16.51 | OxO1 | http://cipherfunk.org/garnome/ |
| 13:16.57 | aminal | abrotman: sarge |
| 13:16.59 | abrotman | OxO1: stop |
| 13:17.08 | Guerin | wow |
| 13:17.08 | abrotman | aminal: do you really *need* gnome2.10 ? |
| 13:17.12 | Guerin | garnome is pain |
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| 13:17.19 | Guerin | don't be playin' that shit |
| 13:17.20 | streuner | !hwinfosmite OxO1 |
| 13:17.20 | dpkg | Scanning OxO1 ... No meaningful response. Please ensure brain is connected, or return to supplier for replacement. |
| 13:17.28 | aminal | abrotman: basicaly, my panels are fucked. |
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| 13:17.38 | coll | ok so seems like apt-get -f dist-upgrade is finished but with some errors |
| 13:17.40 | aminal | aminal: I don't see any way of simply replacing them |
| 13:17.42 | abrotman | aminal: and upgrading to gnome2.10 will fix this ? |
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| 13:17.44 | Guerin | coll: run it again |
| 13:17.54 | coll | with the -f flag? |
| 13:17.54 | Guerin | coll: just keep running it again until it runs clean |
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| 13:17.55 | aminal | abrotman: I can't re-install the same version |
| 13:17.57 | resiak | aminal: What about renaming .gnome2 ? |
| 13:18.00 | Guerin | yeah, can't hurt |
| 13:18.02 | resiak | aminal: Reinstalling won't help anyone. |
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| 13:18.11 | coll | Guerin: ok, should i quit to console or something? cause im on x now |
| 13:18.15 | abrotman | aminal: did you think to move yout .gnome or .gnome2 dir out of the way and recreate it ? |
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| 13:18.20 | aminal | I'd have to uninstall all of gnome, to get a fresh install of gnome-panel |
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| 13:18.32 | coll | well that was stupid |
| 13:18.32 | resiak | aminal: Why are you trying to reinstall? It _will_not_help. |
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| 13:18.38 | abrotman | apt-get --reinstall install gnome-panel |
| 13:18.38 | Guerin | coll: yes. |
| 13:18.52 | coll | ok then ill go console mode :p |
| 13:18.57 | coll | see ya |
| 13:19.00 | Guerin | you can also use dpkg -P --force-depends gnome-panel |
| 13:19.00 | OxO1 | aminal: warning, its not 100% if gnome will start .. |
| 13:19.04 | aminal | resiak, abrotman: I don't know what is the right thign to do. |
| 13:19.12 | Guerin | then apt-get install gnome-panel |
| 13:19.14 | aminal | #gnome couldn't help me with the issue |
| 13:19.22 | abrotman | aminal: mv .gnome2 .gnome2.old ... exit gnome .. login again |
| 13:19.24 | aminal | I hate gnome |
| 13:19.26 | aminal | more than anything |
| 13:19.33 | abrotman | then you use it why ? |
| 13:19.35 | Guerin | !tell aminal about xfce |
| 13:19.35 | aminal | I just can't figure out how to use another wm instead |
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| 13:19.52 | OxO1 | aminal because debian not support gnome2.10 .. debian only suppport 2.8.x if you will use unstable |
| 13:19.57 | abrotman | OxO1: knock it off |
| 13:20.10 | PerfDave | abrotman: KDE! :) |
| 13:20.11 | abrotman | OxO1: you've already proven you don't know what you're talkinga bout here |
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| 13:20.29 | abrotman | he doesn't need to upgrade gnome at all |
| 13:20.41 | Guerin | and doing so won't help him |
| 13:20.54 | Guerin | and using garnome will put him in for a world of hurt |
| 13:21.06 | OxO1 | i have gnome2.10 but it say, i have compile it, i don't have download it from apt-get .. |
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| 13:21.24 | abrotman | OxO1: you're going to screw up his entire system .. quiet |
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| 13:21.55 | aminal | Should I remove my .gnome and .gnome2 directories, and let them be re-created |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | aminal: mv them .. don't rm them |
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| 13:22.14 | aminal | okay |
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| 13:23.17 | crylyx | does somebody use realplayer 10 on debian? |
| 13:23.23 | js_ | i want to start X without a core pointer and keyboard, how can i do that? |
| 13:23.35 | Guerin | crylyx: nobody with an ounce of dignity does |
| 13:23.42 | shingouz | crylyx: get the rpm, use alien on it and dpkg -i the resulting deb |
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| 13:23.44 | abrotman | i do :) |
| 13:23.53 | snadge | lol! |
| 13:24.06 | Guerin | js_: i'm not sure you can - there might be a --ignore-no-pointer or something |
| 13:24.12 | Guerin | abrotman: as I was saying |
| 13:24.15 | aminal | okay, I mv'd them to another folder. I geuss I'll restart X and see how this goes? |
| 13:24.16 | js_ | Guerin: alrigt |
| 13:24.22 | shingouz | Guerin: ty :p |
| 13:24.37 | Guerin | aminal: go to it |
| 13:24.39 | crylyx | shingouz: i need version 10. but the installscript sucks. wrong symbolic links/ no alsa sound / ....do you use version 10? |
| 13:24.40 | abrotman | Guerin: but it wasn't worth it :) |
| 13:24.58 | Guerin | abrotman: you needn't tell me |
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| 13:25.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:25.30 | Guerin | just use mplayer, please |
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| 13:25.31 | shingouz | crylyx: i have some weird-ass realplayer here but i don't remember which one it is. just grab the rpm, alien it and dpkg -i and it should work |
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| 13:25.51 | wishie | of the current 14 sarge cd's, are there 7 binary and 7 source ? |
| 13:25.56 | crylyx | shingouz: ok thanks, ill try. you use alsa btw? |
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| 13:26.07 | shingouz | crylyx: alsa and the oss plugin |
| 13:26.10 | Guerin | wishie: no. 14 binary, 14 source |
| 13:26.16 | resiak | wishie: But you don't want to download them all. |
| 13:26.21 | Guerin | !d-i wishie |
| 13:26.22 | dpkg | wishie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:26.24 | BrianAnthony | okay, I restarted X and it's the same deal |
| 13:26.28 | BrianAnthony | This is aminal |
| 13:26.28 | wishie | ffs |
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| 13:26.36 | Guerin | BrianAnthony: you must be aminal |
| 13:26.41 | wishie | i do want to download them, as we are packaging them for our LUG installfest |
| 13:26.41 | resiak | BrianAnthony: Define "the same deal"? |
| 13:26.46 | wishie | i personally do net installs |
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| 13:26.54 | BrianAnthony | resiak: My panels are just blinking at me |
| 13:26.58 | resiak | wishie: Then get the first two or three, then? |
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| 13:27.21 | Guerin | wishie: just get 1-3 - 90% of users never need anothing off the other 11 |
| 13:27.28 | wishie | alright |
| 13:27.29 | bbrazil | kombi: no, if its meant for sarge and you're compiling for woody you can;t expect it to always work |
| 13:27.35 | shingouz | wishie: in that case you have your work set out for you. maybe jigdos and you would be able to do the dvd's too? |
| 13:27.48 | wishie | shingouz: i wanted to do DVDs, yeah |
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| 13:27.59 | wishie | is there a torrent for the DVDs ? cause im gonna get the CD's via bittorrent |
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| 13:28.02 | Guerin | wishie: order one from linuxiso.com or soemthing and warez it :) |
| 13:28.24 | shingouz | wishie: if you have the hd there, get the jidgos and d/l the stuff, make the isos at home from one downolad |
| 13:28.24 | PerfDave | wishie: There's jigdo for the DVDs. I don't think there are any DVD torrents. |
| 13:28.43 | wishie | hmm |
| 13:28.46 | BrianAnthony | I'd really like to use Fluxbox, is there any way to edit a configuration file and jus tno use gnome |
| 13:28.48 | wishie | never used jidgo before |
| 13:28.49 | streuner | wishie: _ALL_ CD's? |
| 13:29.01 | Guerin | !remove gnome |
| 13:29.02 | dpkg | methinks remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
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| 13:29.16 | BrianAnthony | Guerin: I've done that before, it still wouldn't load flux box |
| 13:29.20 | resiak | BrianAnthony: Install Fluxbox, and pick it in GDM. |
| 13:29.28 | BrianAnthony | I don't use gdm |
| 13:29.32 | wishie | streuner: i was planning on getting all 14 yeah |
| 13:29.33 | BrianAnthony | but I geuss I will |
| 13:29.35 | Guerin | BrianAnthony: so do this: apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common fluxbox+ fluxconf+ |
| 13:29.44 | shingouz | isnt a jgdo file just a template that tells what files should be going into the iso. if you have all the files you can make any iso out of them? |
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| 13:29.49 | Guerin | BrianAnthony: don't use gdm |
| 13:29.55 | resiak | BrianAnthony: What do you use? startx? You should edit your .xinitrc in that case. |
| 13:30.06 | BrianAnthony | yes, I uses startx |
| 13:30.24 | wishie | hmm |
| 13:30.30 | wishie | i want a DVD me thinks |
| 13:30.36 | wishie | then possible the CD's..ill see how i go |
| 13:30.55 | shingouz | anyways, i need to go ambush the refrigerator |
| 13:31.04 | BrianAnthony | resiak: where is that? |
| 13:31.07 | Guerin | shingouz: how does someone your size ambush anything? |
| 13:31.08 | resiak | BrianAnthony: In ~ |
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| 13:31.29 | rhalff | Hi im probably crazy but, I have this mounted "/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)" then when I do mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/again I have an extra entry: /dev/hda1 on /mnt/again type ntfs (rw) which is my windows installation ? |
| 13:31.35 | rhalff | how is that possible ? |
| 13:31.40 | shingouz | Guerin: easy. lets go play with splatguns someday and i'll show you :) |
| 13:31.45 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:31.52 | BrianAnthony | ALFRED:/home/brian# cat .xinitrc |
| 13:31.52 | BrianAnthony | cat: .xinitrc: No such file or directory |
| 13:32.26 | Guerin | BrianAnthony: echo "exec /usr/bin/fluxbox" >> ~/.xinitrc |
| 13:32.30 | resiak | BrianAnthony: (echo #!/bin/sh; echo exec fluxbox) > ~/.xinitrc; chmod +x ~/.xinitrc |
| 13:32.37 | Guerin | BrianAnthony: then do startx |
| 13:32.42 | drac_ | BrianAnthony: And don't do that as root. |
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| 13:32.55 | Guerin | god n |
| 13:32.57 | Guerin | o |
| 13:33.01 | drac_ | # |
| 13:33.04 | drac_ | hrr :) |
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| 13:33.41 | BrianAnthony | chmod: cannot access `/home/brian/.xinitrc': No such file or directory |
| 13:33.48 | BrianAnthony | =/ |
| 13:33.48 | Guerin | grrr |
| 13:34.03 | Guerin | BrianAnthony: why are you chmodding? |
| 13:34.19 | Guerin | BrianAnthony: from a console as 'brian', do the line I told you to |
| 13:34.22 | resiak | Guerin: Doesn't it need to be +x ? |
| 13:34.23 | Guerin | then startx |
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| 13:34.46 | Guerin | nope |
| 13:34.47 | Phated | resiak: No, it doesn't. |
| 13:34.49 | Guerin | startx calls it |
| 13:34.54 | resiak | Phated, Guerin: Oh, okay.. |
| 13:35.06 | drac_ | resiak: no. -r-------- is more than enough :) |
| 13:35.12 | Guerin | more than? |
| 13:35.17 | drac_ | nothing. |
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| 13:35.44 | leOn | i need a web interface for an ftp repository providing indexing and search options... what do you guys advise? |
| 13:36.04 | js_ | how can i authorize a special user to start the X server by typing "X"? when i type it i get the error "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." |
| 13:36.16 | drac_ | leOn: packages.debian.org |
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| 13:36.26 | resiak | js_: What's wrong with startx? |
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| 13:37.23 | aka_druid | hi, if I have 2 kernels installed, and I want to generate initrd, how do I make sure mkinitrd is picking the modules correctly for the kernel I want the ramdisk to work with? Thanks |
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| 13:38.17 | Guerin | leOn: apache, with the same documentroot as your ftp server |
| 13:38.17 | BrianAnthony | alright, all good, thanks |
| 13:38.17 | js_ | resiak: well, that gives me the same error.. but the thing is that i only need the x server to start for my tv, im not using that box as a desktop |
| 13:38.29 | js_ | resiak: so i need to be able to launch x as an ordinary user via ssh |
| 13:38.39 | Guerin | js_: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 13:38.44 | leOn | Guerin: that doesn't provide search |
| 13:38.54 | este | HI! |
| 13:39.03 | js_ | Guerin: i dont want x forwarding |
| 13:39.10 | Guerin | leOn: it does if you include a link to google search with site:le0n.org foo bar baz |
| 13:39.11 | leOn | the idea is to give some sort of search engine that provides ftp links |
| 13:39.14 | resiak | js_: I don't know what you're on about. You want to run a program on your X server, yes? |
| 13:39.37 | js_ | Guerin: im gonna use the box as a home theatre pc thing, so i just need to start the x server which is configured to print graphics on my tv only, so i can launch mplayer on it now and then |
| 13:39.41 | js_ | resiak: yes |
| 13:40.01 | Guerin | js_: run an xserver full time, and call mplayer as needed |
| 13:40.31 | Guerin | js_: i use xdmcp for mine |
| 13:40.33 | leOn | and also, i don't want to provide access to the repository through http .. only ftp |
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| 13:41.07 | leOn | the web interface would be for searching only, since all the links would be ftp links |
| 13:41.48 | js_ | Guerin: ok, cool |
| 13:41.59 | Guerin | leOn: well, the fact is that if you have one html page on your site - say search.html - then you can put a bit of google search code in there |
| 13:42.07 | leOn | i've seen some tools that do this but they're way too complex, providing user submission of ftp sites, etc... |
| 13:42.42 | leOn | Guerin: does google search in ftp repositories? |
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| 13:43.03 | resiak | leOn: What's the obsession with FTP? What's wrong with HTTP access? |
| 13:43.05 | leOn | and besides .. i really don't want to depend on google |
| 13:43.07 | Guerin | leOn: this is why I suggested a httpd |
| 13:43.10 | Guerin | why not? |
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| 13:43.36 | Guerin | are you not using anonymous ftp? |
| 13:43.41 | Sauron21 | I was just wondering if anyone know what happend to Ubuntu at Distrowatch ??? |
| 13:43.58 | Guerin | Sauron21: the people in #ubuntu might |
| 13:44.04 | leOn | because the main use is for LAN use ... imagine i don't have external link, or can't reach google for some reason |
| 13:44.06 | Guerin | as strange as this may seem |
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| 13:44.18 | Guerin | leOn: ok, I see. |
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| 13:44.54 | Guerin | leOn: i don't know of anything which explicitly does what you want. |
| 13:45.08 | leOn | resiak: not an obsession, it's just that FTP was designed for that purpose, and has all the tools for bandwidth throttling, etc |
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| 13:47.16 | hamham|-dodow-| | #debian-devel-fr |
| 13:47.17 | resiak | leOn: Point. |
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| 13:48.24 | Guerin | leOn: there's plenty of bandwidth-rating stuff for http, and you could easily gin up a search function for it, too. The only thing it doesn't support natively is things like queueing from ftp clients... but even then there's libapache-mod-ftp |
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| 13:48.49 | Guerin | i mean, i can't think of a way to do all this using only ftp, but i CAN think of a way to do it using a httpd |
| 13:50.22 | crylyx | how can i know when a specific application doesnt have sound what could have gone wrong? (im using alsa, but maybe the application(realplayer) supports oss only? |
| 13:50.38 | DerSchotte | ever looked at "Archie" for the FTP searches ? |
| 13:50.54 | leOn | hmm... just got an idea |
| 13:50.55 | Guerin | crylyx: even if it only supports oss, alsa has an oss emulation layer it can use |
| 13:51.03 | resiak | crylyx: Try running aoss realplayer |
| 13:51.27 | Guerin | but WHY realplayer? |
| 13:52.06 | crylyx | Guerin: because i watch TV on the net. and the stations i watch only support realplayer |
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| 13:52.26 | Guerin | crylyx: have you tried them with xine or mplayer and w32codecs? |
| 13:52.33 | crylyx | resiak: how do you mean? |
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| 13:52.40 | crylyx | Guerin: i did, no chance |
| 13:52.54 | Guerin | hrm, evil |
| 13:53.06 | Guerin | the videos wouldn't play? |
| 13:53.08 | leOn | mplayer handles realplayer stuff i think |
| 13:53.10 | crylyx | Guerin: its live stream. no video files available |
| 13:53.21 | Guerin | crylyx: that shouldn't be an issue. |
| 13:53.32 | crylyx | Guerin: indeed |
| 13:53.42 | resiak | crylyx: I meant trying exctly that :-) |
| 13:53.59 | resiak | crylyx: You may need to apt-get install alsa-oss |
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| 13:54.13 | snadge | i?ve used mplayer to play video feeds |
| 13:54.28 | Guerin | a lot depends on how the site is constructed, though |
| 13:54.34 | crylyx | i can give you the link and you can try:) |
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| 13:54.44 | Guerin | some of them will have javascript hooks to realplayer and so on |
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| 13:54.50 | Guerin | crylyx: hit meh |
| 13:54.58 | crylyx | Guerin: ok hold on |
| 13:55.10 | resiak | crylyx: In which case, you should start your browser with aoss |
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| 13:55.47 | crylyx | http://krolive51.kro.nl/detectives/series/Russen/seizoen1/aflevering1.asp (on the right bottom part you see a link for realplayer low/high) |
| 13:56.23 | DerSchotte | leOn: have you looked at archie for your ftp searches ? |
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| 13:56.53 | leOn | what's the link?.. |
| 13:57.23 | crylyx | resiak: just installed alsa-oss and started aoss firefox, but still no sound |
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| 13:57.37 | Guerin | ok |
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| 13:58.05 | Guerin | if you choose the wmv link, you'll get a file called 'streams' which contains a mms:// link which you can play in mplayer |
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| 13:58.36 | DerSchotte | leOn: try this http://www.ou.edu/research/electron/internet/archifaq.htm |
| 13:58.56 | crylyx | Guerin: how shall i start it? just run mplayer stream ? |
| 13:59.18 | Guerin | crylyx: mplayer $(cat stream) will work |
| 13:59.33 | leOn | no... |
| 13:59.36 | crylyx | Guerin: ok ill try |
| 13:59.37 | Guerin | crylyx: identical behavior for the realplayer link |
| 13:59.41 | leOn | DerSchotte: you're missing the point |
| 13:59.43 | leOn | =) |
| 14:00.03 | Guerin | no |
| 14:00.13 | DerSchotte | Oh, I thought you were looking for something to search FTP sites :) |
| 14:00.17 | crylyx | whats the latest mplayer .deb ? |
| 14:00.24 | Guerin | mplayer $(cat streams) doesn't work after all |
| 14:00.33 | Guerin | you have to c&p the link from the file |
| 14:00.42 | Guerin | crylyx: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:00.49 | leOn | i run an ftp repository and i want to give users an easy way (web based) to search in that repository |
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| 14:02.24 | Guerin | anyway, bedtime |
| 14:02.36 | crylyx | Guerin: whats the best place to get the w32 codecs ( i guess i will need those? ) |
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| 14:03.40 | snadge | mirrilat ? |
| 14:03.42 | resiak | !marillat |
| 14:03.42 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
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| 14:04.58 | snadge | on that note.. the patent situation is getting pretty scary, a lot of those sites are preparing to be shut down |
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| 14:08.48 | borkdox | does the php4 in sarge can be used in conjunction with apache2, or do I have to use apache1 |
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| 14:09.19 | resiak | borkdox: man a2enmod |
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| 14:10.28 | borkdox | resiak, thanks |
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| 14:12.03 | borkdox | resiak, but if I do a2enmod mod_php4.c it tells me that that module does not exist.... |
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| 14:12.52 | resiak | borkdox: Have you insatlled libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
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| 14:13.16 | borkdox | resiak, thats it, I had libapache-mod-php |
| 14:13.25 | dan2 | abrotman: ping |
| 14:13.27 | borkdox | resiak, but not the apache2 version |
| 14:13.32 | borkdox | resiak, thanks again |
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| 14:14.49 | resiak | borkdox: No worries. apt-cache search is your friend, as is apt-cache search --names-only |
| 14:14.59 | resiak | borkdox: They're sufficiently friendly that two-letter aliases are in order. |
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| 14:15.07 | borkdox | Another questions on debian, is that in it I can see the password hashes for the users in shadow and shadow-, in other distros (Gentoo, Archlinux, etc...) I cannot see these passwords.... |
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| 14:15.33 | resiak | borkdox: Are you root? |
| 14:15.35 | borkdox | resiak, that was what I was looking for, a search for apt, I tried apt-get search, but I forgot apt-cache |
| 14:15.44 | borkdox | resiak, yep |
| 14:15.50 | m4lu6 | Does anyone here happen to have an Atheros wifi card, using madwifi drivers? |
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| 14:16.05 | FieldySnuts | m4lu6: used to, got rid of it, peice of dung... |
| 14:16.13 | m4lu6 | FieldySnuts, that's what i'm discovering. |
| 14:16.17 | m4lu6 | all morning, no dice. |
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| 14:16.23 | borkdox | resiak, but when Ive tried in others, even tough I access them as root, it does not show the hash.... |
| 14:16.31 | FieldySnuts | m4lu6: i'd get something else. what I don't know, as I haven't touched wireless since |
| 14:16.58 | m4lu6 | FieldySnuts, i've got 3 orinoco cards and a d-link. they all work great, just trying to get the built-in "G" working on my latop |
| 14:17.01 | resiak | borkdox: That's, well, strange. |
| 14:17.15 | m4lu6 | i've got the WRT45G router, might as well get more speed, eh? |
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| 14:17.57 | borkdox | resiak, my bad... |
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| 14:18.05 | borkdox | resiak, I just got a little confused... |
| 14:18.17 | borkdox | :D |
| 14:18.47 | FieldySnuts | heh been putting this off for weeks, i have like 300 high res pictures to sort through, see what i want and don't want |
| 14:18.51 | FieldySnuts | gonna take forever |
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| 14:19.19 | coywolf | in a text file, i want to add the line number at the end of each line |
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| 14:20.28 | crylyx | Groupsock.cpp:29:23: strstream.h: No such file or directory while trying to build livestream codecs for mplayer, is there a package which can fix this problem? |
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| 14:22.22 | luulis | crylyx: have you got the necessary -dev packages? |
| 14:22.37 | crylyx | luulis: i dont think so. which ones should i need? |
| 14:23.43 | DerSchotte | leOn: Try this then http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/ftpsearch.html :D |
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| 14:24.08 | salve | FieldySnuts: do apt-cache show pho (if you run sarge) |
| 14:24.35 | resiak | borkdox: Hmm. |
| 14:24.47 | luulis | mplayer probably some README that could tell it specifically or search the net for some mplayer build howto on debian or something.. |
| 14:24.47 | trueno | Hi! Is there a way to delete an entry in keyserver.net? I am taking my first steps in pgp |
| 14:24.55 | FieldySnuts | :) |
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| 14:25.45 | sobersabre | what url do i have to use in sources.list in order to use mirror.ac.uk service for sarge ? |
| 14:25.58 | TNKS | hello everyone. I was wondering. Is it possible to have udev set up /dev/input/mice to exclude a mouse device? |
| 14:26.06 | resiak | :( |
| 14:26.12 | streuner | sobersabre: just use 'apt-setup' |
| 14:26.14 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Jealous? |
| 14:26.19 | FieldySnuts | no need to be *grin* |
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| 14:26.24 | Phated | Heh. |
| 14:26.26 | sobersabre | streuner, doesn't it ruin other repositories ? |
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| 14:26.45 | FieldySnuts | back to pics... |
| 14:26.46 | streuner | sobersabre: of course :-) |
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| 14:26.53 | sobersabre | mu ha ha.\ |
| 14:26.56 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Rrrrrr. |
| 14:28.14 | majk | Hi, is possible to do ping with timestamp ? I tryied ping -T tsonly <host> but as tstap it write "TS: 51742813 absolute" and I need something like YY:MM:DD/hh:mm:ss any idea ? |
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| 14:28.29 | FieldySnuts | majk: I know you can do it with nmap |
| 14:28.38 | FieldySnuts | and you can have nmap just do a "ping" and not scan |
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| 14:29.07 | streuner | sobersabre: man sources.list |
| 14:29.10 | Jacobo221 | what is the right place for usb.usermap in debina's hotplug: /etc/hotplug/usb/usb.usermap or /etc/hotplug/usb.usermap ? |
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| 14:31.06 | Hellkat | is there any way in which i can make my firefox browser "Auto-Reload?" |
| 14:31.18 | resiak | Hellkat: A plugin? |
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| 14:31.47 | crylyx | i just installed libskstream-0.3-dev. but still getting the error: Groupsock.cpp:29:23: strstream.h: No such file or directory. any ideas what to do? |
| 14:32.00 | Hellkat | thanks res |
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| 14:32.13 | DerSchotte | Hellkat: Is it your page or someone elses ? |
| 14:32.15 | PerfDave | Hellkat: What do you mean, "auto-reload"? |
| 14:32.15 | crylyx | oh lol |
| 14:32.20 | crylyx | nvm people |
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| 14:33.55 | DerSchotte | Hellkat: If it's your page add "<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600">" to the <HEAD> |
| 14:34.01 | majk | FieldySnuts: you mean nmap -PP ? |
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| 14:35.01 | Hellkat | mine |
| 14:35.03 | Hellkat | thanks guys |
| 14:35.46 | FieldySnuts | majk: i dunno i forget |
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| 14:37.05 | guru | how do you set mode +s on a directory? |
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| 14:37.26 | guru | e.g., so that all new files created will have the same permissions as the others? |
| 14:37.32 | sobersabre | guys... anybody got usb keyboard "hp multimedia" based on silitek SK-5906U [if i am not wrong] working under GNU/Linux ? |
| 14:37.56 | sobersabre | it has internal usb hub, and this is what is problematic... |
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| 14:38.51 | sobersabre | the very strange thing is i could boot with it via EFI boot [hp server] and after the configuration and reboot the keyboard was dead .... |
| 14:39.05 | sobersabre | it doesn't disturb to use the server though. |
| 14:39.05 | DerSchotte | guru: info coreutils chmod |
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| 14:39.24 | guru | DerSchotte: thanks...i tried +s, but didn't do what i thought |
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| 14:39.49 | matteo | Ciao |
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| 14:40.03 | matteo | Sorry... |
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| 14:40.06 | matteo | HI! |
| 14:40.08 | DerSchotte | chmod a+t is what you want I think |
| 14:40.20 | DerSchotte | +s is sudo |
| 14:40.20 | matteo | Someone can help me? |
| 14:40.26 | giupy | matteo, #debian-it |
| 14:40.44 | matteo | thanks! giupy! |
| 14:40.50 | bowman | matteo: no answer without a question ;) |
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| 14:41.14 | DerSchotte | duh, wrong.... g+s :) |
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| 14:42.40 | DerSchotte | guru: chmod g+s directory |
| 14:43.36 | guru | ahh thanks |
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| 14:46.31 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone know of any good free secondary domain hosts? |
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| 14:47.12 | sobersabre | Led_Zeppelin, you have a strange question :) imho |
| 14:47.14 | coywolf | Led_Zeppelin, you need secondar domain? |
| 14:47.25 | coywolf | i can sponsor |
| 14:47.59 | Led_Zeppelin | well, I want to host my website off my local box here...and I need a secondary domaiun name |
| 14:48.03 | Led_Zeppelin | coywolf: right. |
| 14:48.06 | Led_Zeppelin | coywolf: a free one |
| 14:48.14 | coywolf | Led_Zeppelin, yeah |
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| 14:48.42 | coywolf | Led_Zeppelin, do you have an IP? |
| 14:48.53 | coywolf | Led_Zeppelin, *.lovecn.org |
| 14:48.56 | Led_Zeppelin | coywolf: yes I do |
| 14:49.08 | giupy | can i install poker3d from unstable in testing ? |
| 14:49.24 | streuner | giupy: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:49.31 | streuner | !info poker3d sid |
| 14:49.33 | giupy | streuner, k |
| 14:49.34 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm dyndns |
| 14:49.36 | Led_Zeppelin | cool |
| 14:49.38 | dpkg | poker3d: (3D multiplayer online poker game), section games, is optional. Version: 0.2.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 14:49.38 | phanter | hello, I am looking for an e-mail relais program so I can ssl with my computer to my server and that the server mails via my isp (sometimes mail directly from my laptop is blocked) |
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| 14:50.57 | Led_Zeppelin | coywolf: http://www.dyndns.org/ got it :-} |
| 14:51.24 | coywolf | Led_Zeppelin, ok, you can use that |
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| 14:51.49 | Led_Zeppelin | coywolf: know of any better services? |
| 14:52.04 | coywolf | Led_Zeppelin, is it yours static ip? |
| 14:52.12 | Led_Zeppelin | coywolf: nope. |
| 14:52.21 | phanter | when installing packages it has dependencies. These are not removed when removing the package. Can i automatically search for unused packages (which where depended in by an installation) and remove them? |
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| 14:53.09 | coywolf | Led_Zeppelin, i own lovecn.org |
| 14:53.16 | teun | phanter: deborphan can do that for you |
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| 14:53.59 | m4lu6 | are the default debian kernels compiled w/the --initrd option? |
| 14:53.59 | phanter | thanks teun |
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| 14:54.15 | Hellkat | why isnt the 2.6 kernel supporting my orinoco silver card? |
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| 14:54.28 | Led_Zeppelin | coywolf: is it all chinese? |
| 14:54.41 | KobrAs_ | Hellkat, did you add support in kernel ? |
| 14:54.54 | Hellkat | kobras_ how do i do that? |
| 14:54.56 | coywolf | Led_Zeppelin, yeah, the domain is wasted |
| 14:55.03 | Led_Zeppelin | heh yea |
| 14:55.03 | Hellkat | im running the testing kernel |
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| 14:56.14 | piernik | sorry for stupid question I am made to write a program in Pascal. Can i get a compilet by using apt-get? |
| 14:56.27 | OxO1 | apt-cache search pascal |
| 14:56.27 | OxO1 | !) |
| 14:56.27 | dpkg | [)] the smile part of a face. |
| 14:56.31 | piernik | ok |
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| 14:57.24 | piernik | :) gpc |
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| 14:58.01 | sussudio | !tell piernik about search |
| 14:58.19 | sussudio | piernik: apt-get install fp-compiler |
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| 14:58.27 | piernik | fp? |
| 14:58.34 | sussudio | !info fp-compiler |
| 14:58.36 | dpkg | fp-compiler: (Free Pascal -- Compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.9.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1287 kB, Installed size: 3200 kB |
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| 14:59.15 | piernik | why not gpc? |
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| 14:59.37 | giupy | streuner, in that way i only create a deb pkg? |
| 14:59.56 | phanter | hello, I am looking for an e-mail relais program so I can ssl with my computer to my server and that the server mails via my isp (sometimes mail directly from my laptop is blocked) |
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| 15:01.07 | zerofree | hi all, how can i include software written by me in debian repositories? |
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| 15:02.29 | amaldo | phanter: I don't know if it's exactly what you have in mind, but you could set up a ssh-tunnel to your server, and simply deliver the mails there using your MUA. |
| 15:02.37 | abrotman | dan2: kind of ping |
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| 15:03.00 | streuner | giupy: yes - it creates a deb package |
| 15:03.48 | giupy | streuner, oh, but i can download it, but i have seen that it depends on a library that is only in sid :( |
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| 15:04.23 | streuner | giupy: it tries to resolve the depends as well... |
| 15:04.30 | amaldo | phanter: try something like this: ssh -L 53000:localhost:25 user@yourserver , when you've logged yourself in, do this on your machine: telnet localhost 53000 (you'll see the port 25 of the server answering). |
| 15:04.57 | mikeX | any suggestions for a 19'' TFT monitor? should I go for bigger contrast or smaller response time? |
| 15:05.22 | giupy | streuner, no, it says me that it can't :) |
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| 15:05.32 | giupy | it tries :) |
| 15:05.33 | drac_ | mikeX: smaller response time if you are planning to play fast 3D games. |
| 15:05.45 | drac_ | mikeX: if not, then bigger contrast. |
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| 15:06.19 | mikeX | drac_, no games, but movies |
| 15:06.24 | mikeX | and anime |
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| 15:06.47 | drac_ | mikeX: contrast. |
| 15:06.57 | mikeX | I hear 25ms for example can affect smooth video playback |
| 15:07.11 | streuner | giupy: well install the lib then... |
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| 15:07.32 | mikeX | drac_, my choise is basically 500:1 with 12ms VS 700:1 with 25ms |
| 15:07.41 | giupy | streuner, i try thanks |
| 15:08.08 | streuner | !info libosgcal-dev |
| 15:08.12 | dpkg | libosgcal-dev: (cal3d to OpenSceneGraph adapter), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.1.28-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
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| 15:08.20 | DerSchotte | is there a way to install a .deb pkg and not have od the scripts ? I need the binaries from a package but not the funtionality :) |
| 15:08.45 | DerSchotte | **not have the scripts run** |
| 15:09.26 | amaldo | DerSchotte: simply decompressing the .deb and copying what you need? (it won't be in the database, though) |
| 15:09.28 | phanter | amaldo, I want my server to log into my ISP's server (not possible from another network) and to send the mail via my ISP |
| 15:09.30 | streuner | giupy: have fun...: zerberus:/tmp# apt-get build-dep poker3d, 0 aktualisiert, 51 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 6 nicht aktualisiert. |
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| 15:09.59 | streuner | zerberus:/tmp# apt-get build-dep libosgcal-dev |
| 15:10.14 | giupy | streuner, i'm doing it |
| 15:10.16 | DerSchotte | so dpkx -x is what I want then |
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| 15:11.07 | streuner | giupy: uhm, that wouldn't be a clever idea |
| 15:11.21 | giupy | streuner, ? |
| 15:11.32 | amaldo | phanter: how do you normally send emails through your ISP? SMTP, SMTP+SSL, Pop before SMTP,... ? You can set any of those on your server, and configure postfix (for example) to relay the email through there. It could also relay what your laptop sends. |
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| 15:12.22 | streuner | giupy: that upgrades (almost) the entire part of build-essential too, which means you haven't an sarge system as build-system then.. |
| 15:13.17 | giupy | streuner, so shouldn't i do it ? |
| 15:13.34 | phanter | amaldo, SMTP. What would you choose, postfix or exim (and why?) |
| 15:13.47 | streuner | giupy: try to build the lib into /usr/local/ first |
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| 15:14.06 | streuner | giupy: download the lib itself and build it |
| 15:14.20 | streuner | giupy: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/libosgcal-dev |
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| 15:15.34 | giupy | k |
| 15:15.35 | amaldo | phanter: postfix, because it's very flexible, and I've used it many years on many servers without problems. |
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| 15:17.04 | phanter | amaldo, oke, I'll try that. |
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| 15:17.24 | amaldo | phanter: you could probably configure any MTA (postfix, exim, etc) to do what you need. (It's a pretty standard setup). The important part is not to create an open-relay, so you either implement SMTP with authentication, or simply only allow relaying from localhost, and connect to the server using an SSH tunnel. |
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| 15:19.32 | phanter | oke thanks !!! |
| 15:19.40 | DerSchotte | Sometimes I wonder if LVM is worth the hassle .... |
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| 15:20.20 | shift_ | Is there a way to install and use the 2.4 kernel the disc gave me an option for WITHOUT compiling it? |
| 15:20.41 | DerSchotte | shift_: ? |
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| 15:21.35 | shift_ | When I installed debain from the netinst CD, it gave me the option of kernel 2.4 or 2.6. I chose 2.6, only to find out later that my joystick (X45) is busted in >2.6.5 |
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| 15:21.47 | Anders1 | !debain |
| 15:21.48 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 15:22.14 | shift_ | I want my joystick to work. I think replacing the kernel may be the easiest way. |
| 15:22.15 | DerSchotte | apt-get install kernel-2.4-xxxx |
| 15:22.18 | amaldo | shift_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-version , reconfigure LILO or GRUB, reboot. |
| 15:22.27 | jetdotnet | apt-get install joystick |
| 15:22.31 | DerSchotte | yes, image :) |
| 15:22.39 | shift_ | jetdotnet: It's a kernel issue. |
| 15:23.01 | dfzi | i've always compiled kernel in my debian with my bare hands. (make menuconfig & copying bzImage etc.) |
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| 15:23.10 | dfzi | what's the bonus if i do it by apt-getting new kernel? |
| 15:23.13 | shift_ | amaldo: So it IS possible to download a precompiled kernel... |
| 15:23.19 | dfzi | i am saved from compiling? |
| 15:23.22 | amaldo | shift_: definitely |
| 15:23.29 | DerSchotte | I do it all the time, I have a custom lernel without modules |
| 15:23.29 | shift_ | dfzi: Me too. Which is why I'm confused about NOT compiling it. |
| 15:23.33 | jetdotnet | apt-cache search kernel-image, pick one, apt-get install it |
| 15:23.35 | amaldo | shift_: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 15:24.20 | dfzi | shift_, so true. i like that kernel is minimalistic and adjusted to this PC only |
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| 15:24.47 | dfzi | shift_, i don't want that kernel comes along with some jibberish i'll never need... even if they were modules |
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| 15:25.06 | shift_ | dfzi: But sometimes you just don't have the time to screw with it. |
| 15:25.24 | dfzi | well.. 3-4 hours :-) |
| 15:25.36 | dfzi | and you can always compile with other cpu and by ssh ;) |
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| 15:25.48 | DerSchotte | don't forget the alsa-modules if you have sound |
| 15:26.24 | dfzi | beep is the only sound we'll ever need. |
| 15:26.43 | DerSchotte | heh heh |
| 15:27.01 | dfzi | it's so minimalistic and beatiful. it's just "beep." :< |
| 15:27.18 | dfzi | it's like cow's opinnion. it doesn't matter. it's moo. |
| 15:27.50 | shift_ | Whoa... Speaking of sound screwups... |
| 15:27.56 | DerSchotte | Oh man, I need some help on this, LVM1 problem, please read if you know your way about LVM: https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2005-May/msg00057.html |
| 15:28.02 | shift_ | Xine has to be up and running for me to get sound out of XXMS now. |
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| 15:28.03 | shift_ | Wierd. |
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| 15:28.06 | shift_ | (Err, XMMS) |
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| 15:28.32 | shift_ | killall xine |
| 15:28.37 | shift_ | ...Wrong window. |
| 15:28.43 | DerSchotte | lol |
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| 15:30.29 | marooned | did someone have problems with Lucent modem in Sarge , ( i use Sarge build of 23 april ), drivers are compiling without any problems, the modem is dialing... but... pppd died unexpectedly=( |
| 15:30.50 | marooned | i think the problen is in ppp 2.4.3 |
| 15:31.11 | marooned | couse in my recent Mandrake 10.1 evrything was fine |
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| 15:35.12 | DerSchotte | what the new name for XWine ? |
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| 15:36.10 | lilalinux | How can I disable that dhcp changes my /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 15:36.37 | DerSchotte | Found it, cedega |
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| 15:42.58 | giupy | wich pkg hs gtk-config ? |
| 15:43.01 | giupy | has |
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| 15:44.23 | crylyx | installed mplayer via apt-get, unpacked the win32 codecs in /usr/lib/win32/. when trying to play a .wmv file the picture is still unreadable and crappy. this is the terminal output while playing: [wmv2 @ 0x4035e008]J-type picture is not supported. Error while decoding frame!. what can i do? |
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| 15:45.26 | Hellkat | crylyx : What kernel are you using? |
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| 15:46.42 | amaldo | giupy: libgtk1.2-dev |
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| 15:47.09 | quitte | what happened to the web frontend for reporting bugs? |
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| 15:47.19 | PerfDave | crylyx: Shout at people until they don't bother with shit formats like WMV :) |
| 15:47.20 | tarzeau | jharrison: #bub-n-bros ? |
| 15:47.27 | giupy | amaldo, thanks |
| 15:47.27 | PerfDave | quitte: There was a web frontend for reporting bugs? |
| 15:47.29 | tarzeau | quitte: that never was official, was it? |
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| 15:47.37 | tarzeau | quitte: why not use mail for it? |
| 15:47.48 | amaldo | giupy: next time, look in packages.debian.org (search content of packages). |
| 15:47.52 | PerfDave | One would be a terribly bad idea. |
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| 15:47.52 | quitte | huh. that would mean i never reported a bug. im quite sure i used a web frontend |
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| 15:47.59 | crylyx | Hellkat: 2.6.8 |
| 15:48.08 | Hellkat | hmm |
| 15:48.10 | giupy | yes |
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| 15:48.14 | Hellkat | crylyx: try using kaffeine |
| 15:48.29 | prodope | where can i see what has been called through inetd? |
| 15:48.35 | Hellkat | crylyx: i think that the command is apt-get install kaffeine or something of that sort |
| 15:48.40 | crylyx | Hellkat: whats that (except coffee) |
| 15:48.44 | PerfDave | prodope: /etc/inetd.conf? |
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| 15:48.50 | gobelin | plop |
| 15:48.52 | giupy | when i try "make" a prog i recive this msg ../depcomp: ../depcomp: No such file or directory, what do i need ? |
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| 15:49.42 | prodope | PerfDave: i mean, a logfile to see what has connected and used the services |
| 15:49.42 | crylyx | crylyx: its a KDE media player... |
| 15:49.51 | crylyx | Hellkat: : its a KDE media player... |
| 15:49.56 | DerSchotte | I have a patch for tetex-extras, how do I find out who the maintainer is ? |
| 15:50.04 | fbeyer | Do you know a good IRC bot? |
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| 15:50.23 | Hellkat | crylyx : i dont know much right now, i cant get my networking working on the new kernel, so i havent played with it |
| 15:50.31 | _SerhaT_ | fbeyer: eggdrop? |
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| 15:51.11 | fbeyer | _SerhaT_: thx! |
| 15:51.26 | Hellkat | is anyone interested in helping with "PAniX"- a PalmPilot Unix Emulator? if so, please message me |
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| 15:53.08 | caphuso | hmmmm, emulating unix on a palmpilot? |
| 15:53.14 | Hellkat | yeah |
| 15:53.46 | Hellkat | caphuso: im even planning of doing some sort of gui |
| 15:53.46 | _SerhaT_ | giupy: double check whether you don't need any other apps already installed.. but using apt-file I see package automake1.9 has it.. |
| 15:54.14 | giupy | _SerhaT_, i have never used apt-file :) |
| 15:54.17 | giupy | thanks |
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| 15:55.34 | giupy | mmm same error |
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| 15:57.09 | _SerhaT_ | giupy: apt-cache show automake1.9 .. check the last lines.. |
| 15:57.19 | _SerhaT_ | just noticed it.. |
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| 15:57.46 | giupy | i try |
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| 15:57.57 | nottu | where can i fine a channel about traffic shaping ? |
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| 15:59.09 | giupy | same error i have installed all automake :) |
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| 15:59.56 | amaldo | giupy: that's because make is looking for "../depcomp". Where is it trying to run that? Maybe you have to set some paths inside the makefile. |
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| 16:00.10 | giupy | amaldo, k i see |
| 16:00.22 | _SerhaT_ | giupy: /usr/share/automake1.9/depcomp .. file is there.. if you need it.. |
| 16:00.27 | Hellkat | can someone help me getting my orinoco working on 2.6? |
| 16:00.38 | giupy | thanks |
| 16:00.41 | giupy | i try |
| 16:00.57 | shingouz | Hellkat: just use orinoco as the module and it should work |
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| 16:01.28 | Hellkat | shingouz: how would i do that? im just starting out with linux, what commands should i use? |
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| 16:01.39 | soujiro | can anybody tell me how can i uninstall gcc 3.3 base and replace it with gcc 3,4 -base ? |
| 16:01.50 | shingouz | Hellkat: have you inserted the card already? |
| 16:02.10 | Hellkat | shingouz: yes, and i am using it with the 2.4 kernel |
| 16:02.10 | jharrison | tarzeau: ping |
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| 16:02.28 | tarzeau | pong |
| 16:02.29 | shingouz | Hellkat: upgrade to 2.6 and you should be set |
| 16:02.31 | tarzeau | jharrison: #bub-n-bros |
| 16:02.44 | jharrison | +yeah |
| 16:02.44 | jharrison | im there |
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| 16:03.15 | Hellkat | shingouz: i did, and booted to 2.6 from the boot loader, try to ifup it, and it doesnt work |
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| 16:03.39 | shingouz | Hellkat: what 2.6 kernel was it? |
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| 16:04.17 | Hellkat | shingouz: Testing, i believe |
| 16:04.19 | Turms | if i run ncftp ftp.at.debian.org i can get into the repository very quickly, while if i run dselect or apt-get it waits ages "waiting for headers" |
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| 16:04.46 | shingouz | Hellkat: just boot into the 2.6 and do uname -a and paste the output into #flod |
| 16:04.50 | shingouz | #flood even |
| 16:05.15 | kelan | soujiro: how about 'apt-get install gcc-3.4-base && apt-get remove gcc-3.3-base' ? |
| 16:05.21 | Hellkat | uname -a |
| 16:05.26 | Hellkat | and where is #flood? |
| 16:05.34 | Hellkat | oh |
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| 16:05.40 | shingouz | on this server. /join #flood |
| 16:05.51 | Hellkat | alright |
| 16:05.54 | Hellkat | thanks!!! |
| 16:06.08 | shingouz | don't thank me yet... |
| 16:06.28 | z1tr3k | what wireless pcmcia cards does debian support? |
| 16:06.32 | soujiro | kelan, if i do that it says : 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 256 to remove and 0 not upgraded. :((((, what should i do ? |
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| 16:07.08 | kelan | soujiro: it looks like you already have 3.4 installed. why do you want to uninstall 3.3? |
| 16:07.25 | soujiro | because i cant use 3.4 |
| 16:07.34 | soujiro | gcc -v show 3.3.5 version |
| 16:07.47 | amaldo | soujiro: ln -sf /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc ? :) |
| 16:07.52 | shingouz | z1tr3k: every single one the kernel supports |
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| 16:08.32 | soujiro | amaldo, thank u very much !!!!!!!!!!! :D |
| 16:08.36 | soujiro | it workd |
| 16:08.41 | soujiro | it says 3.4.4 now :D |
| 16:08.57 | kelan | heh |
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| 16:10.12 | amaldo | soujiro: /usr/bin/gcc is just a link to the appropriate compiler. You probably have other versions of gcc there (ls /usr/bin/gcc*) |
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| 16:10.51 | iLLf8d | I made a new debian wallpaper its pretty tame, if anyones interested checkout http://www.nixwit.org/viewable/deb_blue.png |
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| 16:11.59 | abrotman | iLLf8d: there's a site somewhere for debian artwork if you donate it/license whatever |
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| 16:12.40 | soujiro | amaldo , i have removed all because i only need 3.4 :)) : /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gccbug-3.4 |
| 16:12.42 | iLLf8d | uhm license it in what a watermark or something? |
| 16:12.54 | PerfDave | iLLf8d: No, with a license ;p |
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| 16:13.09 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to split a zip file into 10 megs a piece? |
| 16:13.19 | abrotman | man split ? |
| 16:13.24 | Led_Zeppelin | I am currently using split, but that method won't work in Windows |
| 16:13.25 | abrotman | or you mean a valid zip file ? |
| 16:13.26 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: right. |
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| 16:13.31 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: cygwin ? |
| 16:13.34 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: 'valid' ? |
| 16:13.41 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: well, I want something similar to rar |
| 16:13.53 | Led_Zeppelin | when you can split a rar file into increments of 10 megs |
| 16:13.56 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i'm pretty sure if you use `split` .. it invalidates the zip file until you glue it back together |
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| 16:14.25 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: right, I am currently using split. It works fine in Unix when I do a cat fileaa* > destination.zip |
| 16:14.33 | abrotman | cygwin! |
| 16:14.54 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: i would have to install that for windows? I don't want to install extra software for win |
| 16:15.02 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:15.02 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: zip and rar are enough :-) |
| 16:15.16 | Trewas | Led_Zeppelin: then why not use rar? |
| 16:15.25 | FieldySnuts | lame license |
| 16:15.27 | shingouz | Trewas: because rar is evil |
| 16:15.32 | FieldySnuts | !irritate rar |
| 16:15.33 | dpkg | rar: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 16:15.34 | Led_Zeppelin | Trewas: I am not sure how to set that up. google is no help with that, and also lame license |
| 16:16.00 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a compression war |
| 16:16.01 | apt | Smash them! Crush them all! |
| 16:16.02 | TwistedEmotions_ | I have already built my kernel and durring boot I get the error that root is pointing to the wrong directory... the other kernels work fine but the kernel I built gives me a fatal error. Anyone know how to fix it? |
| 16:16.05 | FieldySnuts | hm. |
| 16:16.09 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a compression war |
| 16:16.10 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you using Windows? |
| 16:16.12 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 16:16.13 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: don't build your own kernel |
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| 16:16.19 | K_Dallas | Led_Zeppelin, i manned zip but nothing i could find about it but under windows zip could scan your archive into several parts with equal size |
| 16:16.27 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: thank. That helped. |
| 16:16.31 | TwistedEmotions_ | *Thanks. |
| 16:16.54 | K_Dallas | Led_Zeppelin, so maybe wine+winzip would do you thing or even better, try wine+winrar, it does zip too |
| 16:16.56 | Led_Zeppelin | K_Dallas: exactly, no help |
| 16:16.59 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: it's the correct answer .. whether or not you like it is not my problem :) |
| 16:17.00 | TwistedEmotions_ | I think maybe I forgot the -root option when building the kernel. |
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| 16:17.16 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm I guess I can use windows copy to connect all files |
| 16:17.26 | Led_Zeppelin | or contatenate files |
| 16:17.28 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: and why shouldn't I build my own kernel? |
| 16:17.35 | shingouz | Led_Zeppelin: what are you planning on doing? |
| 16:17.37 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: apparently you don't know how :) |
| 16:17.44 | abrotman | !custom kernel |
| 16:17.44 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD" |
| 16:17.47 | kisain | i have a question thats kinda relatd to debian linux can someone help me? |
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| 16:18.05 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: Do you know of a better way to learn then by doing something? |
| 16:18.07 | shingouz | kisain: not unless you ask it |
| 16:18.07 | Led_Zeppelin | shingouz: I have my pictures in a zip file. (110 megs). I want to split them up by increments of 10 megs to send to my gmail account. |
| 16:18.27 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: use a box that doesn't matter when it doesn't boot .. |
| 16:18.45 | Led_Zeppelin | shingouz: my end user will be a windows user so I want something easy for them :-) |
| 16:18.51 | shingouz | Led_Zeppelin: what you planing to do with them once they are there? you can cat the parts together again on any *nix box |
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| 16:18.58 | shingouz | Led_Zeppelin: ah |
| 16:19.07 | crylyx | does somebody know where i can find the option for mmx support in 2.6.8 kernel - make menuconfig ? |
| 16:19.09 | Led_Zeppelin | shingouz: heh righ! I can do that in Unix but Windows is killing me |
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| 16:19.30 | abrotman | crylyx: #kernel |
| 16:19.30 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: I'm not complaing that my computer doesnt boot... I have multiple kernels... but the one tha tI *WANT* to work has root pointing at the wrong place... so anyone know how to fix that? |
| 16:19.39 | shingouz | Led_Zeppelin: maybe doze would have some similar utility. wincat or something? |
| 16:19.46 | kisain | i am trying to set up software raid 1 on my ubuntu (nobody there seems to know this) and i want to use 2 hard drives and have a software raid system one of the problems is that the hds are diffrent sizes by 10.1gb and i haven't been able to get it to woek |
| 16:19.49 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: if root is pointing to the wrong place .. you messed up the bootloader config afaik |
| 16:19.51 | Led_Zeppelin | shingouz: I guess...I can do a cp |
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| 16:20.18 | shingouz | crylyx: p2 and onwards has mmx, no idea how to enable it for a p1 though |
| 16:20.44 | crylyx | shingouz: im using a p2..but the build of mplayer keeps complaining... |
| 16:20.44 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: I dont think so because if that was the case then NONE of the kernels would work right? |
| 16:20.52 | shingouz | kisain: lemme give you a hint. you picked the distro: go to #ubuntu |
| 16:20.55 | FieldySnuts | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep mmx |
| 16:21.02 | FieldySnuts | if it shows something, you have it. if not, you don't, end of story |
| 16:21.14 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: wrong .. depends on the bootloader for starters |
| 16:21.26 | shingouz | crylyx: building mplayer from source? why not just grab them from marillat |
| 16:21.30 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: lilo |
| 16:21.37 | kisain | yea i know but there no help figured here i might be able to get some sence it's built directly off of debian |
| 16:21.37 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: ie .. this a line from my grub menu.lst .. /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro |
| 16:21.43 | lynxx | hi all, my swap seems to be mounted but the system doesn't swap, even when I have 1mo RAM left, my fstab seems ok, but a "free" give me 0mo used |
| 16:21.46 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: first hint .. stop using lilo :) |
| 16:21.48 | FieldySnuts | mplayer will whine about not having mmx support if it's been built to use it, though it should still work |
| 16:21.50 | shingouz | kisain ubuntu is not debian |
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| 16:21.58 | FieldySnuts | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 16:21.59 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support $1 too. Try #$1 or donating money to charity. |
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| 16:22.09 | kisain | i was told it's built directly from debian? is that not right? |
| 16:22.11 | FieldySnuts | why does that keep breaking? I know it keeps being fixed |
| 16:22.19 | shingouz | !ubuntusmite kisain |
| 16:22.20 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: cant. ;( ... Grub doesnt work correctly with my computer.. |
| 16:22.25 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: haha |
| 16:22.29 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: why not ? .. i'd start there |
| 16:22.40 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: i dont' have a lilo config file anymore |
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| 16:22.47 | shingouz | kisain: #ubuntu |
| 16:22.56 | resiak | !listkeys not supporting |
| 16:22.57 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: Durring boot up before it shows the menu it pauses for like 30 seconds... for no reason. |
| 16:22.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'not supporting' by key (2): cmd: not supporting (.*?) ;; CMD: not supporting (.*?) (.*?). |
| 16:22.58 | kisain | jerk |
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| 16:23.27 | shingouz | nice. now i am a jerk :) |
| 16:23.35 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: i'd find out why .. grub is far better that lilo for most situations |
| 16:23.43 | mwilson | abrotman: Since when? |
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| 16:23.52 | abrotman | mwilson: for the average idiot :) |
| 16:24.04 | mwilson | abrotman: lilo is *far* better for the average idiot. |
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| 16:24.10 | abrotman | mwilson: when someone is as smart as you .. lilo is far better |
| 16:24.28 | mwilson | abrotman: No. |
| 16:24.32 | abrotman | yes :) |
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| 16:24.48 | mwilson | 99.9% of all stupids will never need anything grub can do. |
| 16:25.08 | mwilson | So why give them a more complex solution? |
| 16:25.15 | abrotman | nor do they understand the concept of /sbin/lilo |
| 16:25.23 | mwilson | Nor do they need to. |
| 16:25.27 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: "If the # variable ROOT is omitted, the root device setting contained in the# kernel image is used. It can be changed with the rdev program." Is that my answer? |
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| 16:25.31 | cbr | grub is more beautiful |
| 16:25.33 | cbr | and easy |
| 16:25.45 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: to what question |
| 16:25.54 | giupy | how can i see the progress of cp |
| 16:26.06 | cbr | cp -v ? |
| 16:26.15 | shingouz | giupy: man cp (cp -v) |
| 16:26.15 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: How to change the root= location of a already built kernel. |
| 16:26.18 | abrotman | look in the directory you're copying to ? |
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| 16:26.24 | giupy | cbr, i try |
| 16:26.33 | abrotman | Xinux: we really really don't crae .. turn it off |
| 16:26.34 | abrotman | care |
| 16:26.43 | giupy | shiner840, thanks |
| 16:26.45 | giupy | oops |
| 16:26.53 | giupy | shingouz, thanks |
| 16:26.58 | shingouz | :) |
| 16:27.01 | furrywolf | xinux: for probably the tenth time... |
| 16:27.19 | Xinux | but its a wonderful world |
| 16:27.25 | abrotman | turn it off |
| 16:27.28 | Xinux | NOOO |
| 16:27.32 | furrywolf | we don't care that you think so |
| 16:27.39 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: ? |
| 16:27.40 | abrotman | Xinux: yes |
| 16:27.41 | shingouz | Xinux: why are you here in the first place? and turn the fucking thing off. please |
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| 16:27.55 | bernouli | lets say i have 3 box, box A has 1 eth0, which ip 192.168.1.1. Box B has 1 eth0, which ip 192.168.2.1. Box C has 2 eth0=192.168.1.100 and eth1=192.168.2.100. Now, what should i do so that box A can ping box B ? |
| 16:27.56 | Xinux | im in here because its FREEnode |
| 16:28.02 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: edit the bootloader config ? |
| 16:28.14 | abrotman | Xinux: and you have a debian question or are here to help ? |
| 16:28.14 | furrywolf | freenode... where people are free to remove people with lame scripts. |
| 16:28.23 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: already done.. |
| 16:28.38 | Xinux | •furrywolf• Your mom is lame. |
| 16:28.46 | abrotman | idiot |
| 16:28.54 | _joey | bernouli you correct netmasks ? |
| 16:28.58 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Xinux |
| 16:28.59 | dpkg | Xinux: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my mepis werkz ????? |
| 16:29.05 | _joey | bernouli enable forwarding on box with two interfaces |
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| 16:29.11 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: so you edited the lilo.conf .. pointed the boot option to the correct root ? |
| 16:29.14 | bernouli | all box use 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:29.22 | _joey | s/netmask/subnet masks |
| 16:29.33 | bernouli | is it ok? |
| 16:29.36 | _joey | yes |
| 16:30.01 | bernouli | i set the gateway for box A 192.168.1.100, and for box B 192.168.2.100 |
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| 16:30.29 | bernouli | joey, how can i enable forwarding? |
| 16:30.30 | shingouz | bernouli: set the B to 192.168.1.99 and you should be set |
| 16:30.31 | _joey | yep |
| 16:30.42 | _joey | default gateway |
| 16:30.43 | shingouz | oh. sorry. ill shut up bernouli |
| 16:30.52 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: yeah... hdd1.. it starts booting but then like after 2 % of the kernel starts loading gives me the error that the kernel root location is wrong or something like that... I think it's a setting inside of the kernel... |
| 16:31.10 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: i thnk you should get the exact error message |
| 16:31.15 | furrywolf | twisted: did you forget to compile in support for the root fs? |
| 16:31.20 | _joey | bernouli: sysctl -n net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 16:31.25 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: kk.. |
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| 16:31.44 | bernouli | shingouz: if i use 1.99, it will work, but i want to use different network |
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| 16:31.53 | TwistedEmotions_ | furrywolf: I think that might be the problem... I'll be back with the error message. |
| 16:32.10 | shingouz | bernouli: as i said, ignore me :) /me didnt really read the question |
| 16:32.10 | bernouli | joey, in which file will ip_forward be saved? |
| 16:32.22 | _joey | bernouli /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 16:32.25 | bernouli | ok |
| 16:32.29 | abrotman | erm .. why are there less than 500 people here ? |
| 16:32.49 | furrywolf | abrotman: freenode did funky things last night... when I woke up I had been joined to #debian-overflow somehow |
| 16:32.57 | abrotman | furrywolf: ah .. gotcha |
| 16:32.59 | soujiro | when i do sudo scons to compile a program this warnign show up ; warning: this is the location of the previous definition ,can anybody help me ? |
| 16:33.03 | Rawplayer | furrywolf: i had the same ;) |
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| 16:33.06 | bernouli | if i edit that file, should i do something so that the change can work? |
| 16:33.06 | abrotman | furrywolf: tht would explain all my part/join :) |
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| 16:34.13 | Scarylion | Mwuhaha |
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| 16:35.19 | crylyx | how can i uninstall the (by default system install) installed 2.4.27 kernel ? |
| 16:35.30 | _joey | bernouli /etc/sysctl runs sysctl during boot, now run sysctl or echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 16:35.32 | bernouli | joey, net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 is an unknown key |
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| 16:35.35 | abrotman | crylyx: remove the package for it |
| 16:35.42 | bernouli | ach ok |
| 16:35.52 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: #flood |
| 16:36.11 | nevyn | hrm |
| 16:36.24 | abrotman | ok |
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| 16:36.51 | _joey | bernouli you must 've made type, a correct syntax I gave you |
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| 16:37.07 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: more than likely you forgot to include support for your root FS type in your kenrel config |
| 16:37.13 | crylyx | abrotman: i dont know how the package is called |
| 16:37.26 | abrotman | crylyx: dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 16:37.41 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: is there any way to add in support without rebuilding it? |
| 16:37.48 | Led_Zeppelin | man...debian rocks! |
| 16:37.54 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: not that i'm aware |
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| 16:38.01 | TwistedEmotions_ | Errrr... gay. |
| 16:38.05 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions_: nope. reconfigure and recompile |
| 16:38.14 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: er .. you wanted to learn .. so shut up and do it :) |
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| 16:38.21 | abrotman | !tell TwistedEmotions_ about gay |
| 16:38.21 | shingouz | Led_Zeppelin: we know this is #debian after all ;) |
| 16:38.22 | Led_Zeppelin | beats the living crap out of any other Linux |
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| 16:38.32 | TwistedEmotions_ | deadcat had patched my kernel... thats why. |
| 16:38.38 | Led_Zeppelin | shingouz: was just on a redhat box, and having going thru RPM issues |
| 16:38.40 | abrotman | why did he do that ? |
| 16:38.47 | FieldySnuts | rpm is f*cking irritating as hell |
| 16:38.50 | furrywolf | zep: aka rpm hell. :) |
| 16:38.51 | TwistedEmotions_ | bootsplash... |
| 16:39.04 | _joey | debian is zzee best |
| 16:39.05 | shingouz | Led_Zeppelin: eugh. deadrat? do you need some tylenol? |
| 16:39.07 | FieldySnuts | i still don't get why people go thorugh so much hassle for bootsplash |
| 16:39.10 | Led_Zeppelin | next to AIX, debian is my second fav |
| 16:39.10 | TwistedEmotions_ | on the up side... bootsplash DOES work before fatal error. |
| 16:39.16 | abrotman | !prize FieldySnuts |
| 16:39.16 | bernouli | sysctl -n net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 :: error 'net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' is an unknown key |
| 16:39.23 | FieldySnuts | !medal abrotman |
| 16:39.27 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 16:39.38 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions_: your patch won't go away .. you just have to reconfigure the damn thing |
| 16:39.48 | _joey | bernouli is your kernel supporting ipv4 ? |
| 16:39.58 | FieldySnuts | no. which is why he's on IRC. |
| 16:40.02 | TwistedEmotions_ | abrotman: Ohh... kk. |
| 16:40.18 | furrywolf | dunno, never used bootsplash... and don't know why people think they need it. :) |
| 16:40.18 | bernouli | how can i check? |
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| 16:41.09 | spiekey_ | hi |
| 16:41.18 | abrotman | furrywolf: i'm still confused with the "I must recompile my kernel" |
| 16:41.19 | spiekey_ | i am getting the error: checking for Berkeley DB with 1.85 compatibility... configure: error: Berkeley DB with 1.85 compatibility not found |
| 16:41.23 | spiekey_ | which package am i missing? |
| 16:41.27 | Led_Zeppelin | any news of debian going to postgresql 8.x ? |
| 16:41.32 | Led_Zeppelin | in their stable branch |
| 16:41.33 | spiekey_ | db4.1-utils is installed |
| 16:41.38 | abrotman | spiekey_: -dev files |
| 16:41.41 | abrotman | more than likely |
| 16:41.48 | pipeline | Led_Zeppelin: Check packages.debian.org |
| 16:41.52 | _joey | Led_Zeppelin can you run aix on x86 hardware ? |
| 16:41.57 | pipeline | Led_Zeppelin: Also, keep in mind that version number in Stable DO NOT CHANGE |
| 16:42.05 | Led_Zeppelin | _joey: no. only on ppc |
| 16:42.07 | pipeline | _joey: AIX 1.x ran on MCA-based x86 hardware. |
| 16:42.17 | Led_Zeppelin | pipeline: really? |
| 16:42.18 | Led_Zeppelin | hehe |
| 16:42.22 | shingouz | _joey: there are a few AIX that can run on i386 |
| 16:42.23 | pipeline | _joey: 2.x and above only run on various PPC platforms. |
| 16:42.27 | FieldySnuts | @fuck aix |
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| 16:42.44 | Led_Zeppelin | AIX rocks :-) |
| 16:42.53 | pipeline | You're a sick fuck. |
| 16:42.55 | shingouz | ...on MCA |
| 16:42.58 | Led_Zeppelin | lol |
| 16:43.01 | _joey | does it come with free native c compiler? |
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| 16:43.12 | pipeline | shingouz: Well, technically it would run on ISA-only systems, but no PCI. Period. |
| 16:43.20 | abrotman | furrywolf: sometimes it's not worth it :) |
| 16:43.36 | Led_Zeppelin | _joey: no... |
| 16:43.38 | shingouz | pipeline: ISA? why use ISA when there is MCA? |
| 16:43.39 | _joey | :) |
| 16:43.40 | pipeline | shingouz: What are you going to do on a UNIX system with two serial ports, no NIC, and no support for expansion cards? |
| 16:43.51 | Led_Zeppelin | _joey: the compiler is very expensive. You can use gcc, but its not as nice as xlC |
| 16:43.59 | shingouz | pipeline: what are you talking about? |
| 16:44.06 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: he's trolling |
| 16:44.10 | pipeline | shingouz: Running AIX 1.3 on non-IBM hardware |
| 16:44.16 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: i can see :) |
| 16:44.23 | furrywolf | I turned down an 8-way 200mhz rs/6000 box... loaded, 4gb ram, 17gb disk.... because it was MCA, and wouldn't run anything other than AIX. |
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| 16:44.36 | FieldySnuts | furrywolf: a good decision. |
| 16:44.46 | shingouz | pipeline: i never mentioned non-IBM, i just said i do not see the need to run isa when there is mca... ;) |
| 16:45.00 | pipeline | furrywolf: I would have been willing to tolerate AIX to get my grubby hands on that. |
| 16:45.02 | furrywolf | 8 200mhz power cpus still wouldn't have been too bad of processing power... but AIX! gah! |
| 16:45.05 | FieldySnuts | must be sunday, people talking about using mca willingly... |
| 16:45.06 | Led_Zeppelin | furrywolf: if you were gonna use it in production, you would have to get an IBM contract too |
| 16:45.10 | _joey | once upon a time I got myself old sparc station 10, Solaris didn't live on it for more than a week |
| 16:45.27 | furrywolf | pipeline: the box was free, but it weighed 150lbs, and was in new york, while I'm in california. $200 shipping... |
| 16:45.29 | Led_Zeppelin | Solaris is yuck :-) |
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| 16:45.39 | pipeline | Led_Zeppelin: Now you're clearly just trolling |
| 16:45.45 | _joey | I got rid of it, didn't like |
| 16:45.46 | _joey | it |
| 16:45.47 | Led_Zeppelin | heheh |
| 16:45.50 | Led_Zeppelin | just joking |
| 16:45.54 | Led_Zeppelin | pipeline: just kidding |
| 16:46.02 | furrywolf | fieldy: sunday? takes more than that to get people to like aix. :P |
| 16:46.04 | shingouz | i would have taken that box because it was mca (and grumbled a bit about the aix) |
| 16:46.06 | FieldySnuts | ahha |
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| 16:46.19 | furrywolf | shingouz... for $200? |
| 16:46.20 | pipeline | shingouz: The thing about MCA AIX machines is networking |
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| 16:46.30 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: and this will be a shock for you, i am on eisa now |
| 16:46.31 | pipeline | shingouz: MCA 100mbit cards are worth several times their weight in gold |
| 16:46.35 | crylyx | abrotman: ii kernel-image-2 2.4.27-2 Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on 386...? whats the package called? |
| 16:46.37 | _joey | are there affordable ppc workstations ? |
| 16:46.42 | shingouz | pipeline: how many do you want? |
| 16:46.43 | furrywolf | pipeline: I think this box had a thinwire card in it... |
| 16:46.44 | Led_Zeppelin | furrywolf: FYI, you can run Linux on the new power5 (LPAR or Native) |
| 16:46.55 | pipeline | furrywolf: And that would be 10 mbit ;_; |
| 16:47.00 | Led_Zeppelin | _joey: how much you willing to spend? |
| 16:47.01 | abrotman | crylyx: export COLUMNS=150;dpkg -l | grep kernel-image-2.4 |
| 16:47.07 | furrywolf | I still have some thinwire<->10baseT converters somewhere. |
| 16:47.10 | pipeline | shingouz: Perhaps I should have said "AIX-compatible" 100mbit MCA. |
| 16:47.27 | pipeline | furrywolf: I still have thinnet hubs, cabling, terminators :) |
| 16:47.34 | shingouz | pipeline: they are around. if i get the price you specified i just have to ask how many do you want |
| 16:47.35 | FieldySnuts | wee concentrators |
| 16:47.39 | crylyx | abrotman: thx |
| 16:47.50 | pipeline | shingouz: Put it on ebay and watch the fur fly. Prices go nuts. |
| 16:47.51 | _joey | Led_Zeppelin not willing to spend on it, just curious |
| 16:48.02 | Led_Zeppelin | _joey: they are expensive. IMO |
| 16:48.06 | furrywolf | pipeline: heh. I too still have a box of thinwire stuff. :) |
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| 16:48.11 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: known as toilets ? |
| 16:48.12 | shingouz | pipeline: the ones i have here are in use at the moment |
| 16:48.21 | Led_Zeppelin | _joey: but you get what you paid for. Probally the best opensystem hardware out there |
| 16:48.21 | sussudio | pipeline: thinnet doesn't use hubs |
| 16:48.22 | pipeline | _joey: IBM's cheapest POWER-5 systems are ~7k |
| 16:48.25 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: hrm? |
| 16:48.31 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: wee concentrators :) |
| 16:48.35 | FieldySnuts | boooo. |
| 16:48.38 | pipeline | _joey: The next step down from that is a G5 macintosh, which is about ~3k for a reasonable system. |
| 16:48.40 | _joey | oh well |
| 16:48.43 | Led_Zeppelin | pipeline: they have no LPAR capabalities |
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| 16:48.47 | _joey | pipeline :) |
| 16:48.47 | FieldySnuts | !troll _joey |
| 16:49.03 | _joey | !tell Filbert to shut up |
| 16:49.14 | FieldySnuts | *click* |
| 16:49.24 | abrotman | heh .. mau |
| 16:49.34 | sussudio | abrotman: it's like a managed switch |
| 16:49.36 | _joey | FieldySnuts what's your problem? I was chatting to another guy |
| 16:49.48 | sussudio | you can telnet into it |
| 16:49.52 | abrotman | sussudio: i know exactly what they are .. my uni was half TR/half 10/100 |
| 16:50.09 | sussudio | abrotman: i have a 20 port mau and a 20 port extension thing for it |
| 16:50.11 | FieldySnuts | i touched some once... hated it |
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| 16:50.25 | abrotman | furrywolf: it's good .. unless it breaks .. cause then it breaks horribly |
| 16:50.26 | _joey | many network printers come with token ring cards |
| 16:50.34 | abrotman | in which country ? |
| 16:50.36 | furrywolf | thinwire, if you ignored how horribly unreliable the connectors were, wasn't too bad... |
| 16:50.40 | sussudio | i have a HP jetdirect for token ring |
| 16:50.45 | _joey | HP |
| 16:50.47 | _joey | yeah |
| 16:50.53 | FieldySnuts | !medal sussudio |
| 16:50.55 | pipeline | How does token-ring have such a bad reputation? |
| 16:50.59 | abrotman | but they don't come with tr anymore |
| 16:50.59 | furrywolf | thinwire... the only network where "wiggling loose plugs" was an actual task. :) |
| 16:51.08 | abrotman | pipeline: because it was so slow .. |
| 16:51.09 | _joey | you can't get big TR hubs and use cat5 cables |
| 16:51.31 | pipeline | 16 mbit token ring is substantially faster than contemporary 100mbit ethernet. There WAS a time before microsegmentation and cheap switches, you know. |
| 16:51.36 | shingouz | abrotman: the 16Mb token does not saturate as easily as a 10M ether |
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| 16:51.40 | FieldySnuts | !medal sussudio |
| 16:51.41 | abrotman | shingouz: i know |
| 16:51.45 | FieldySnuts | gah i give up |
| 16:52.00 | abrotman | pipeline: also .. occasionally .. if you had a bad card in the ring .. the whole thing would stop working |
| 16:52.02 | FieldySnuts | Phated: sussudio is mean to me |
| 16:52.06 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: you fight a losing battle, we all like the old crap here ;) |
| 16:52.09 | DerSchotte | OMG, tr, now that's going back a bit for me :) |
| 16:52.17 | sussudio | the madge software actually makes it easy to run a token ring network under DOS |
| 16:52.22 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh. Bad cards? From IBM? Surely not |
| 16:52.22 | abrotman | pipeline: and if you had .. say .. 1000 nodes in that ring .. you'd have to spend a lot of time finding it |
| 16:52.26 | _joey | you can setup redundancy ring |
| 16:52.27 | pipeline | sussudio: What is this... DOS? |
| 16:52.42 | abrotman | pipeline: sure .. trust me .. i saw many .. i did tech support for my Uni .. spent an assload of time with TR hardware |
| 16:52.42 | sussudio | and it comes with full diagnostic software for card and network |
| 16:52.43 | _joey | but ethernet rules :) |
| 16:52.45 | FieldySnuts | Debian Operating System |
| 16:52.47 | DerSchotte | Denial Of Service ;) |
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| 16:53.46 | DerSchotte | Rawplayer: lol |
| 16:53.46 | fbeyer | !version |
| 16:53.49 | dpkg | it has been said that version is Debian = Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r5 "Woody" | dpkg = blootbot |
| 16:53.51 | abrotman | pipeline: bad cables were an issue too |
| 16:53.57 | _joey | sussudio reason I am looking into TR is that I found real cheap cisco routers 2504 which only come with TR |
| 16:54.12 | abrotman | not worth it :) |
| 16:54.13 | _joey | working in good conditions for about $25 US each |
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| 16:54.22 | _joey | it's a give away |
| 16:54.30 | furrywolf | joey: ever consider there's a reason WHY they're so cheap? :P |
| 16:54.31 | abrotman | shingouz: they also now have fast token ring at 100Mb .. |
| 16:54.36 | sussudio | pay for token ring? |
| 16:54.37 | shingouz | _joey: for your home network, why not |
| 16:54.44 | _joey | shingouz yeah |
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| 16:54.58 | _joey | sussudio token ring card $5 ? |
| 16:55.04 | abrotman | too much |
| 16:55.05 | shingouz | the cards are dirt cheap these days |
| 16:55.12 | abrotman | they should be like 1$ |
| 16:55.15 | _joey | I wonder if you could create alias on TR |
| 16:55.34 | _joey | even better:) |
| 16:56.02 | abrotman | _joey: if you ask around at some local companies . they might dump a ton of TR stuff on you :) |
| 16:56.06 | shingouz | the price of the hardware is a bit high, try to haggle a bit, _joey |
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| 16:56.18 | astronut | dpkg: sarge |
| 16:56.19 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 16:56.20 | sussudio | meh. token ring $0. |
| 16:56.25 | abrotman | _joey: and you're still missing an important part |
| 16:57.11 | _joey | you are just jealous :) |
| 16:57.17 | abrotman | i'm so jealous |
| 16:57.27 | _joey | $5 was a nominal price |
| 16:57.30 | abrotman | you have no idea how badly i want to waste my time with a dead technology |
| 16:57.31 | _joey | :) |
| 16:57.33 | outlier | Somebody has got to have solved this one before: I'm running Sarge, and listening to an internet-radio station on xmms while doing chores. I'd like to be able to pause & rewind what I'm listening to. Any advice on an app that does that? |
| 16:58.00 | _joey | abrotman you are missing the point. I am not interested in token ring technology , I am intertested in cisco routers |
| 16:58.01 | FieldySnuts | !sarcasm abrotman |
| 16:58.05 | FieldySnuts | or not. |
| 16:58.11 | abrotman | _joey: with only TR interfaces |
| 16:58.23 | astronut | outlier: not possible, it's a STREAMING station |
| 16:58.29 | _joey | well, at least I can get feel of IOS |
| 16:58.30 | astronut | well |
| 16:58.36 | _joey | access list and the rest |
| 16:58.41 | shingouz | Rawplayer: that link is about the best non-technical explanation i have ever seen about raid |
| 16:58.42 | astronut | outlier: you can save the stream to your hard disk if you wanted i suppose |
| 16:58.43 | Xinux | you could pause it |
| 16:58.45 | abrotman | _joey: you konw there is an OSS project for that |
| 16:58.46 | Xinux | close the program |
| 16:58.46 | Xinux | :D |
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| 16:58.53 | furrywolf | outlier: use one player to dump the stream to disk and another player to play it. |
| 16:59.09 | abrotman | _joey: and iirc .. you can get the whole IOS manual from cisco for free |
| 16:59.26 | _joey | withrless without hands on practice |
| 16:59.32 | _joey | worthless* |
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| 16:59.48 | abrotman | _joey: and you're still suck with TR router .. which is useless :) |
| 16:59.50 | nevyn | __you can find pci TR cards around and a dumb MAU shouldn't be too hard to find. |
| 16:59.51 | pipeline | Anyone serious about cisco certs will spend more money on Cisco hardware than training or testing. |
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| 17:00.12 | nevyn | pipeline: certification is a joke. |
| 17:00.18 | FieldySnuts | cisco certs are overrated today anyway, i mean if you're in it for the knowledge, fine, but if you're in it for a job, good luck |
| 17:00.20 | nevyn | I wish it wasn't nessicary |
| 17:00.21 | outlier | furrywolf: doh. Kind of obvious I guess, now that you've made it so. Thanks. |
| 17:00.28 | FieldySnuts | nevyn: it isn't always. depends where you go. |
| 17:00.35 | _joey | I don't need their certs damn it |
| 17:00.44 | _joey | I just want an affordable real cisco router |
| 17:00.46 | FieldySnuts | i get job offers all the time over certified people; experience is worth more |
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| 17:00.53 | FieldySnuts | affordable cisco is an oxymoron, sorry |
| 17:00.57 | abrotman | _joey: did you check ebay ? |
| 17:01.05 | pipeline | ebay prices on cisco are insane |
| 17:01.09 | nevyn | FieldySnuts: I got CCNA but I don't think it's actually useful |
| 17:01.19 | abrotman | pipeline: the lowend stuff isn't too bad |
| 17:01.21 | nevyn | pipeline: yeah everyone's buying them off there |
| 17:01.24 | pipeline | As I just mentioned, people desperate to get their Cisco certs drive the price on used hardware to unpleasant heights |
| 17:01.28 | FieldySnuts | i know a CCIE that got an offer for us$45K/year... wtf. |
| 17:01.33 | nevyn | _joey: install quagga... ;) |
| 17:01.42 | pipeline | It's ridiculous, $200 for a 68k with too little flash to run modern IOS |
| 17:01.57 | FieldySnuts | i can make more than that with the two dinky certs i have |
| 17:01.57 | furrywolf | I've been over the golden gate bridge a few hundred times... that has to count towards a cisco cert. :P |
| 17:02.15 | nevyn | hrm |
| 17:02.22 | abrotman | pipeline: but he just wants it to learn any IOS .. buying that TR router is sure to have an old version of IOS he can't upgrade anyways |
| 17:02.29 | nevyn | the funny thing is .. I run a non-trivial internetwork. |
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| 17:02.46 | nevyn | ospf rip external routes etc. |
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| 17:02.56 | nevyn | so doing cisco actually taught me something. |
| 17:03.03 | Rawplayer | ofcourse it does |
| 17:03.07 | Xinux | BULLSHIT |
| 17:03.13 | Xinux | stupid HP setup wants me to restart |
| 17:03.18 | Xinux | and gives me no other option |
| 17:03.18 | nevyn | but the cisco teacher was A> racist and B> had drunk the coolaid |
| 17:03.27 | PerfDave | I want CCNA because it'll demonstrate that I know what I already *do* know. |
| 17:03.28 | jair | ohhh |
| 17:03.32 | shingouz | Xinux: install debian and stop complaining |
| 17:03.33 | pipeline | You can't become a Cisco instructor without drinking the koolaid. |
| 17:03.36 | jair | cool |
| 17:03.38 | PerfDave | It won't teach me anything, but it'll be a good bit of paper to have. |
| 17:03.38 | jair | guys |
| 17:03.38 | nevyn | A didn't affect me so much... but B was annoying |
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| 17:03.50 | pipeline | Seriously, two thirds of the instruction you require to become an instructor is about how fucking great Cisco is. |
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| 17:03.53 | furrywolf | xinux: hp setup? |
| 17:04.03 | nevyn | pipeline: they're crack monkeys. |
| 17:04.04 | Xinux | •furrywolf• printer |
| 17:04.15 | jair | it is a way I can change the setting on xchat to place the donwload folder on my /home/user/directory? |
| 17:04.15 | abrotman | what the hell is wrong with his client ? |
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| 17:04.19 | shingouz | furrywolf: he does not even run debian afaik |
| 17:04.20 | nevyn | pipeline: some of the stuff cisco do is neat.. but they're underpowered computers at the end of the day. |
| 17:04.21 | jair | instead been hidden |
| 17:04.23 | furrywolf | xinux: since when did ANY linux driver require you to restart? |
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| 17:04.23 | lilliput | hello all .. just wanted to solve a pb that I get .. I can't install libglade2-dev neither qt3-apps-dev .. and would like to get a gui to make config (not menuconfig) cause I forget thigns each times .; |
| 17:04.25 | jair | .x-chat |
| 17:04.34 | PerfDave | Hell, in the UK, unemployed people get sent on free CCNA courses. |
| 17:04.35 | abrotman | furrywolf: ignore him .. he seems to not be running any form of debian |
| 17:04.36 | Xinux | •furrywolf• i'm not on linux... |
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| 17:04.45 | nevyn | pipeline: offloading acls to APICS is kinda cool. |
| 17:04.50 | furrywolf | xinux: then what do you expect? get a real OS. |
| 17:04.51 | Xinux | •furrywolf• im dual-booting on windows |
| 17:05.06 | Xinux | furrywolf: Linux can't even run Soldat |
| 17:05.07 | pipeline | nevyn: More importantly, Cisco isn't all that far ahead of 3com, HP, Juniper. |
| 17:05.11 | FieldySnuts | Xinux: thank god |
| 17:05.11 | furrywolf | everyone here already knows windows and windows drivers and broken and worthless, and don't care. :P |
| 17:05.14 | PerfDave | What are those wanky control characters around? |
| 17:05.19 | nevyn | pipeline: right. |
| 17:05.21 | lilliput | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.22 | pipeline | Xinux: Knock if off with the fucking Mirc color crap. |
| 17:05.24 | FieldySnuts | furrywolf: Xinux has already shown himself a troll, don't bother |
| 17:05.27 | abrotman | PerfDave: he's using mirc i imagine |
| 17:05.28 | shingouz | Xinux: and the distro you use there is not debian iirc. great |
| 17:05.53 | shingouz | (someone doubleboot him :) |
| 17:06.06 | jair | I can just copy or move the folder downloads mv .xchat2 /home/user |
| 17:06.13 | jair | that will make it? |
| 17:06.19 | FieldySnuts | make what? |
| 17:06.21 | PerfDave | pipeline: Cisco is *far* ahead of HP et al. in brand recognition ;) |
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| 17:06.30 | Xinux | •shingouz• 1) just becuz i don't use debian, doesn't mean I can't be in here 2) that is ignorant |
| 17:06.32 | lilliput | how could I solve this dependances ? |
| 17:06.37 | FieldySnuts | see? troll. |
| 17:06.40 | jair | and will get all downloads I get from xchat to the home folder of my user |
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| 17:07.05 | _joey | I read somewhere that in many countries Cisco owns upto 80% of networking market |
| 17:07.09 | jair | ok I think it will do it thank you guys |
| 17:07.18 | coll | well apt-get dist-upgrade finally failed and i got locked out so im now after a re-install of woody again |
| 17:07.18 | chealer | lilliput: what about libqt3-mt-dev? |
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| 17:07.28 | abrotman | Xinux: you also don't have to flood the channel with unrelated crap .. |
| 17:07.34 | coll | going to do yet another dist-upgrade to sarge and hope for it to work *this time* |
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| 17:07.55 | coll | just a quesiton first. how do i remove a package? |
| 17:07.56 | shingouz | Xinux: the point is that you have a tendency to spit out "advice" that has either nothing to do with the issue or even tell people to do things you know will fuck up their systems |
| 17:07.59 | simonrvn | s/he has a point, but s/he shouldn't expect help for xandros or whatever distro s/he's using |
| 17:08.00 | addNtoX | hi folkzZZZz |
| 17:08.06 | coll | there's no apt-remove or dpkg-remove |
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| 17:08.17 | nevyn | _joey: that's probably true. |
| 17:08.18 | PerfDave | !faq coll |
| 17:08.18 | dpkg | coll: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:08.25 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: if he tells people to do things that will damage their system, get the attention of an irc op, it's against freenode rules |
| 17:08.33 | nevyn | _joey: certainly in the high end. cisco can be the only game in town. |
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| 17:08.43 | _joey | so it's worthwhile to become at least familiar with their equipment :) |
| 17:08.47 | FieldySnuts | not that you can find help from any type of op (chan / irc) on a sunday, though. |
| 17:08.52 | nevyn | _joey: not really. |
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| 17:09.01 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 17:09.02 | redduck666 | http://pastebin.com/287948 what are the nic drivers currently in use? r8169 and ieee1394? |
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| 17:09.10 | nevyn | _joey: cisco are evil snake oil merchants. |
| 17:09.14 | _joey | we did you computer environemnt which is not networked? |
| 17:09.23 | FieldySnuts | ieee1394 is firewire, not networking at all. not sure what that r thing is |
| 17:09.37 | _joey | s/we/where |
| 17:09.41 | pipeline | nevyn: I assure you that no matter the product, Cisco is NEVER the only game in town, all the way up to top-end Catalyst gear. |
| 17:09.44 | FieldySnuts | modinfo r8169 |
| 17:10.10 | redduck666 | FieldySnuts, i`m 99,9% secure r8169 is a driver for my ethx |
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| 17:10.23 | FieldySnuts | modinfo it |
| 17:10.29 | redduck666 | FieldySnuts, i don`k know what is the driver used for other ethx |
| 17:10.38 | nevyn | pipeline: I thought they were the only one with multi terabit switching in their new router. |
| 17:11.03 | nevyn | I mean. nobody has actual terabit links yet. but if you had them ;) |
| 17:11.15 | redduck666 | FieldySnuts, i was right RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver |
| 17:11.18 | lilliput | chealer, wait I might found it .. cause of weird libfreetype6 .. |
| 17:11.38 | DerSchotte | I need serious LVM help please read: https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2005-May/msg00057.html |
| 17:11.58 | nevyn | _joey: cisco are expensive and duplicitous. they sell illusions of security |
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| 17:12.08 | nevyn | as in buy cisco gear and you'll be "safe" |
| 17:12.08 | FieldySnuts | DerSchotte: and why would we go to redhat.com? |
| 17:12.23 | DerSchotte | I know it's a RedHat site, but that's where the LVM mailing list is |
| 17:12.24 | FieldySnuts | nevyn: yeah till their source code gets stolen. oh wait... |
| 17:12.26 | kevinw | anyway i can download the sarge debian installer? |
| 17:12.39 | furrywolf | !d-i kevinw |
| 17:12.40 | dpkg | kevinw, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:12.45 | abrotman | nevyn: i don't think it has to do with safe |
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| 17:12.50 | redduck666 | FieldySnuts, thanks a lot i modinfo-ed the suspicous modules and found out that the module i w<as looking for is 3c59x |
| 17:12.50 | FieldySnuts | nevyn: which they recently admitted was a lot worse than initially talked about |
| 17:12.56 | FieldySnuts | cool |
| 17:12.59 | nevyn | FieldySnuts: sure. |
| 17:13.00 | kevinw | thanks |
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| 17:13.10 | funkyhat | anyone know when the 1.0.4 version of firefox will be available for debian testing? |
| 17:13.36 | nevyn | I can see that. those cheap indian guys have to be able to work on it too. |
| 17:13.50 | FieldySnuts | oh well, hard lessons |
| 17:14.13 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it was actually tom cruise that stole it :) |
| 17:14.14 | nevyn | hrm I should learn 3com stuff. |
| 17:14.19 | chealer | funkyhat: probably in 1 day |
| 17:14.23 | abrotman | funkyhat: won't be |
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| 17:14.35 | abrotman | i doubt it anyways |
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| 17:14.52 | abrotman | shouldn't they just backport the patches ? |
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| 17:15.29 | chealer | abrotman: depends how stable the branch is, but vorlon approved it anyways |
| 17:15.35 | nevyn | cause after ccna and the whole "NETWORKING MEANS CISCO" thing I need to learn something else. and while iptables is production ready.. quagga isn't really. |
| 17:15.43 | nevyn | particularly with ospf or bgp |
| 17:15.49 | [AAA | i am number one |
| 17:15.51 | abrotman | chealer: who? |
| 17:16.00 | chealer | abrotman: steve langasek |
| 17:16.00 | nevyn | quagga's behavior on flapping routes sucks. |
| 17:16.19 | FieldySnuts | nevyn: I really really doubt anyone else besides me knows what the hell you're talking about |
| 17:16.25 | abrotman | chealer: that putz downgraded my bug |
| 17:16.26 | funkyhat | they should release 1.0.4, because update.mozilla.org doesn't work with versions older than that |
| 17:16.35 | furrywolf | !intesting firefox-1.0.4 |
| 17:16.35 | dpkg | firefox-1.0.4 will be in testing in 0.516826928721532 years |
| 17:16.41 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 17:16.43 | Xinux | lol |
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| 17:16.50 | Xinux | 6 months? |
| 17:16.53 | FieldySnuts | !magic hate ball |
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| 17:17.01 | funkyhat | lmao |
| 17:17.01 | FieldySnuts | oooo, troll fest coming |
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| 17:17.03 | nevyn | FieldySnuts: I think you'd be wrong :) |
| 17:17.05 | Xinux | !magic hate ball |
| 17:17.15 | coll | with apt-get or aptitude its always asking for the cdrom to be in place. is there a way to remove that check? |
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| 17:17.18 | nevyn | FieldySnuts: pipeline would know as would a few others in this channel. |
| 17:17.20 | lilliput | chealer, solved was from an old packages from *woody* libfreetype6 then upgraded to unstable .. but the version was up (a .2) |
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| 17:17.32 | abrotman | coll: comment those lines out in your sources file |
| 17:17.36 | nevyn | coll: remove the cdrom line from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:17.38 | FieldySnuts | apt: magic hate ball |
| 17:17.41 | nevyn | or comment them which is better. |
| 17:17.44 | FieldySnuts | damninit |
| 17:17.47 | chealer | funkyhat: not really a reason...firefox won't stop at 1.0.4 |
| 17:17.47 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: dpkg only iirc |
| 17:17.47 | FieldySnuts | -in |
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| 17:18.04 | coll | nevyn: i thought moving it to the end of the file will do |
| 17:18.05 | Xinux | 1.0.4 worked for me. |
| 17:18.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: magic hate ball? |
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| 17:18.08 | FieldySnuts | :D |
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| 17:18.16 | coll | thanks ill uncomment it |
| 17:18.16 | r3m | Hi, what is the list of paquet i need to install for the autogen.sh of glade works correctly |
| 17:18.18 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: I hate how you play with the bots. |
| 17:18.20 | chealer | abrotman: what bug? |
| 17:18.25 | funkyhat | it is a reason, because it means all firefox users on debian can't get themes/extensions *now* |
| 17:18.26 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: It drives me nuts. It's just crapflooding. |
| 17:18.35 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: /ignore FieldySnuts*!*@* , or keep crying |
| 17:18.45 | nevyn | the thing that annoyed me most about CCNA was the whole "here's a bunch of ways to stop traffic" thing without talking about whether it was a good idea or not. |
| 17:18.53 | abrotman | chealer: gnomebaker .. i don't really care .. but intsead of trying to figure out why it was happening .. they just downgraded it .. and it will never be fixed |
| 17:18.53 | chealer | funkyhat: now, but accepting 1.0.4 is a very short term solution. maybe it will last a month |
| 17:18.55 | pipeline | funkyhat: You could try using a browser that doesn't require you to install gobs of third-party "extensions" to get basic features. |
| 17:18.55 | shingouz | !beer FieldySnuts |
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| 17:18.59 | nevyn | the ccna teacher was a big fan of blocking ICMP |
| 17:19.03 | FieldySnuts | yeah! maudite rules |
| 17:19.04 | lilliput | thx guys |
| 17:19.06 | FieldySnuts | i love the label hehe |
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| 17:19.11 | furrywolf | blocking icmp is bad |
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| 17:19.15 | _joey | nevyn :) |
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| 17:19.20 | DerSchotte | No one here up to speed on LVM ? I *REALLY* need to fix this problem :/ |
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| 17:19.25 | FieldySnuts | furrywolf: heh. I love when people block all icmp types and wonder why stuff breaks |
| 17:19.30 | funkyhat | pipeline, or i could install the binary package from mozilla.org ;) |
| 17:19.34 | pipeline | DerSchotte: You could try describing the problem |
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| 17:19.36 | funkyhat | bye guys |
| 17:19.39 | xidaux | Hello, is there a combination of OSS software that can do what 'Mathematica' does ? |
| 17:19.41 | furrywolf | povaddct: povray addict? |
| 17:19.43 | _joey | nevyn interested in firewalls and IP, you could picups books on checkpoint fw |
| 17:20.01 | nevyn | isn't that the software firewall. |
| 17:20.03 | _joey | I think you could download trial version for linux from their websites too |
| 17:20.05 | pipeline | xidaux: Some things, yes. Have you tried Macsyma? It's an open-source fork of DoE Maxima, which is the software that Mathematica is a knockoff of. |
| 17:20.10 | _joey | nevyn it is |
| 17:20.21 | nevyn | _joey: for windows? |
| 17:20.23 | POVaddct | furrywolf: yes, but i've done no new povray scenes for a long time |
| 17:20.29 | _joey | nevyn they are allegedly the leaders in firewalling |
| 17:20.35 | DerSchotte | It's long and complicated, hence the link. I am using sarge but the LVM mailing list is hosted at RedHat |
| 17:20.38 | nevyn | _joey: COUGH |
| 17:20.38 | DerSchotte | see: https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2005-May/msg00057.html |
| 17:20.41 | pipeline | xidaux: Err, rather, Maxima, fork of Macsyma |
| 17:20.46 | _joey | nevyn ms windows/linux /solaris and other commerical unix |
| 17:20.48 | furrywolf | pov: I need to play with it more. I suck at modelling though... |
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| 17:21.08 | xidaux | pipeline: Yeah, I was just going to say ... |
| 17:21.12 | abrotman | nevyn: or you could use .. gasp .. iptables :) |
| 17:21.21 | nevyn | right. |
| 17:21.22 | _joey | nevyn don't cough man, a license from them could cost you in excess of $30K |
| 17:21.23 | xidaux | pipeline: I'm compiling Maxima now actually, thanks |
| 17:21.25 | r3m | Hi, what is the list of paquet i need to install for the autogen.sh of glade works correctly |
| 17:21.31 | nevyn | _joey: sif. |
| 17:21.37 | FieldySnuts | heh sif |
| 17:21.40 | abrotman | paquet ? |
| 17:21.42 | FieldySnuts | haven't seen that in a LONG time |
| 17:21.43 | xidaux | pipeline: Macsyma is ancient |
| 17:21.47 | r3m | packet |
| 17:21.51 | pipeline | xidaux: You're compiling maxima? no shit. It requires some bizarre 80s-style lisp implementation. There's an ongoing effort to port it to a modern CL. |
| 17:21.51 | abrotman | packages ? |
| 17:21.51 | nevyn | FieldySnuts: heh |
| 17:21.59 | r3m | yes. |
| 17:22.04 | FieldySnuts | on some ancient ausnet or something BBS's in fact |
| 17:22.05 | POVaddct | furrywolf: i always used a plain text editor for modelling |
| 17:22.10 | giupy | for use raid software can i just use raid partition, or there's some prog to launch ? |
| 17:22.17 | _joey | nevyn don't believe , go to jobsearch websites and check out on security position, all are asking for checkpoint |
| 17:22.18 | abrotman | r3m: you need -dev packages for stuff it's looking for probably |
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| 17:22.20 | _joey | :) |
| 17:22.23 | FieldySnuts | giupy: google for raid howto , everything you need is there |
| 17:22.33 | giupy | k |
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| 17:22.39 | simonrvn | i can be wrong y'know |
| 17:22.41 | nevyn | _joey: sigh doesn't make it good just means it has good marketing. |
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| 17:22.44 | BenDrake | I am wondering, I have this .avi file, and wanted to be able to play it in my dvd player. |
| 17:22.53 | nevyn | _joey: they all ask for msce as well. |
| 17:23.03 | furrywolf | pov: heh. I've tried blender, and found it to have a learning curve that looks like mount everest. :) |
| 17:23.04 | FieldySnuts | dvd players don't play avi, they play dvd video which is completely different |
| 17:23.06 | pipeline | BenDrake: Install wine |
| 17:23.11 | nevyn | maybe I should get a msce. another checkbox for the HR drones. |
| 17:23.20 | furrywolf | brb, phone |
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| 17:23.31 | xidaux | pipeline: The version I'm compiling uses CLISP |
| 17:23.33 | FieldySnuts | i dunno how to convert, only time i make dvd movie videos is when I pull off my DV camera and use kino, but kino expects you to have a camera, it can't just open some file |
| 17:23.46 | pipeline | xidaux: WTF |
| 17:23.49 | pipeline | xidaux: Don't do that. |
| 17:23.54 | shingouz | mplayer does avi too... |
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| 17:24.03 | FieldySnuts | yes, but his standalone dvd player won't |
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| 17:24.05 | pipeline | xidaux: Use GCL if you must, but Clisp is really, really slow |
| 17:24.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:24.10 | FieldySnuts | dark: hehe nice hostname |
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| 17:24.14 | dark | ^^ |
| 17:24.15 | pipeline | BenDrake: install wine, get appropriate directshow codecs, install TMPGenc. |
| 17:24.18 | simonrvn | @microsoft.gotrooted.com |
| 17:24.25 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 17:24.25 | pipeline | BenDrake: Video processing on Linux is possible, but it's a huge pain in the ass. |
| 17:24.36 | FieldySnuts | very large |
| 17:24.42 | nevyn | isn't cinnerella reasonable? |
| 17:24.46 | FieldySnuts | christ no |
| 17:24.49 | xidaux | pipeline: I'd rather it use ocaml |
| 17:24.51 | pipeline | BenDrake: BTW, you have to fool with the preferences menus in tmpgenc to make it use directshow codecs as a source. |
| 17:24.52 | simonrvn | hmm i wonder if i can come up with a one liner 'thumbs up' ascii thing |
| 17:24.54 | nevyn | oh ok. |
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| 17:25.02 | BenDrake | buahhhh |
| 17:25.06 | FieldySnuts | you beat me to it, i was about to give advice: don't bother with cinelerra, HUGE waste of time |
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| 17:25.10 | pipeline | xidaux: Uh, good luck porting a fifty year old codebase to a totally unrelated language. |
| 17:25.16 | K_Dallas | what does this mean? /dev/dsp not installed? thanks |
| 17:25.31 | BenDrake | I just want to be able to play it on ma TV |
| 17:25.38 | chealer | abrotman: you should try to reproduce without being asked before you call him something |
| 17:25.38 | shingouz | BenDrake: what do you really want to do? just play the file on your coputer, play it on a standalone dvd player or edit it? |
| 17:25.39 | nevyn | ok |
| 17:25.48 | pipeline | BenDrake: After you process the AVI to a specially-formated MPEG file, you can use vcdimager and cdrdao to burn it to disc |
| 17:25.56 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: convert AVI to something on a DVD disk which a standalone player can use... |
| 17:25.57 | abrotman | chealer: i have |
| 17:25.59 | pipeline | BenDrake: That disc will then play in most DVD players |
| 17:26.09 | abrotman | chealer: did you read the last part? .. that i got no response to ? |
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| 17:26.12 | BenDrake | ahhhh |
| 17:26.20 | shingouz | BenDrake: or buy a dvd player that can actually handle mpeg4 (divx) |
| 17:26.25 | BenDrake | theres no avi to mpeg converter? |
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| 17:26.36 | abrotman | chealer: i did reproduce it .. but they didn't say they would upgrade the bug .. so whatever |
| 17:26.40 | FieldySnuts | BenDrake: there is but it's a lot more complex than a simple conversion and sticking it on a disk |
| 17:26.51 | pipeline | xidaux: Hmm, it seems that Maxima already builds with CMUCL or SBCL. I'm going to try this. CMUCL and SBCL are *much* faster than GCL, which is in turn *much* faster than Clisp. |
| 17:27.00 | abrotman | chealer: i feel like sarge is being rushed out the door .. |
| 17:27.02 | FieldySnuts | making dvd movie disks in linux is extremely aggrivating, borderline impossible (beyond reasonable) |
| 17:27.04 | pipeline | xidaux: Clisp is written in C, and it is a bytecode interpreter. Very slow :( |
| 17:27.13 | BenDrake | ahhhh |
| 17:27.23 | pipeline | BenDrake: Well, first off, the task you're describing, converting AVI to MPEG, is *extremely* complex |
| 17:27.33 | chealer | abrotman: I red, but I didn't see you mention you reproduced it |
| 17:27.38 | pipeline | BenDrake: Secondly, as FieldySnuts pointed out, the software available really sucks to use. |
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| 17:27.52 | pipeline | BenDrake: TMPGenc makes an extremely complex task somewhat easy |
| 17:27.54 | FieldySnuts | but yeah I love linux but one of the huge things it's missing which I really would like is video editing, without having to use 19 different tools |
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| 17:28.04 | amphi | cinelerra? |
| 17:28.07 | paulswm | abrotman: well if so it's an entirely new meaning of the word "rushed" |
| 17:28.10 | abrotman | chealer: because they never said they owuld upgrade it again .. so i didn't follow up with anything .. why bother .. they just seem to want to release sarge as quickly as possible instead of fixing bugs :) |
| 17:28.12 | simonrvn | video or audio editing for that matter |
| 17:28.13 | FieldySnuts | cinelerra is pure shit. don't waste your time. |
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| 17:28.19 | _joey | there's a utility fro vso I think, that allows you to convert divx into mpeg-2 with two clicks |
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| 17:28.28 | Loof | What is the current 'best' cd ripper.. cd paranoia seems to be a bit stale. |
| 17:28.32 | abrotman | paulswm: lately .. seems rushed .. as compared to the last 3 years :) |
| 17:28.32 | _joey | it takes a while to convert it, a couple of hours |
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| 17:28.49 | FieldySnuts | that's typical with video conversion, it's gobs and gobs of data and difficult math |
| 17:29.22 | paulswm | abrotman: Yeah I get you, typical programmer's malady, when you have two weeks for a project, goof off for the first 12 days then do the whole thing in the last 48 hours straight :) |
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| 17:29.29 | simonrvn | "can you do vector calculations in your head?" |
| 17:29.33 | abrotman | paulswm: pretty much .. but oh well |
| 17:29.40 | chealer | abrotman: I think they want both. and what do you expect, that the RM will asky you to try to reproduce? |
| 17:29.51 | _joey | instead of dvd player buy xbox that comes with remote control and you can play all formats |
| 17:29.58 | abrotman | chealer: the maintainer would be nice .. i don't care if the RM does |
| 17:30.02 | _joey | yeah and network it to samba :) |
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| 17:30.04 | FieldySnuts | no, please do not give MS money. |
| 17:30.11 | _joey | okay |
| 17:30.11 | pipeline | _joey: And it probably fucks it up pretty badly. |
| 17:30.12 | FieldySnuts | steal one instead. |
| 17:30.27 | noduff | Hi. I'm having a problem upgrading my machine. Trying to install base-config_2.53.10_all.deb I'm getting a permission denied on the file etc/logrotate.d/base-config |
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| 17:30.40 | Loof | Hmm |
| 17:30.41 | chealer | abrotman: yeah, the maintainer has been downgraded though |
| 17:30.48 | noduff | I can't seem to change the permissions, or do anything with the file, even as root. |
| 17:30.49 | Loof | So, quick suggestion on a CD ripper? |
| 17:30.50 | MobyTurbo | FieldySnuts: actually, if you only use it for playing DVDs you've *taken* money from MS. The X Box is sold bellow cost. |
| 17:30.52 | abrotman | chealer: the maintainer has ? |
| 17:30.52 | _joey | if not xbox then these little beasts thttp://www.saintsong.com.tw/english/list.htm |
| 17:30.56 | _joey | if not xbox then these little beasts http://www.saintsong.com.tw/english/list.htm |
| 17:31.09 | chealer | abrotman: yeah, he made it grave and steve put it back to important |
| 17:31.17 | FieldySnuts | i'm such a dork, i was thinking "thttp? trivial http?" |
| 17:31.17 | abrotman | chealer: exactly .. |
| 17:31.36 | abrotman | chealer: the RM downgraded it .. i offered(and did) reproduce .. but they don't seem to care |
| 17:31.40 | MobyTurbo | FieldySnuts: http over udp? ;-) |
| 17:31.41 | bluto | whats the difference between woody and sarge ? |
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| 17:31.51 | shingouz | yamada dvd players can handle pretty much anything that is thrown at them. mine does divx nicely ;) |
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| 17:32.20 | _joey | by the way , linux has been ported to xbox :) |
| 17:32.25 | MobyTurbo | shingouz: you mean "yamaha" |
| 17:32.36 | shingouz | MobyTurbo: no. yamada |
| 17:32.37 | pipeline | _joey: Yes, but it sucks terribly. |
| 17:32.39 | noduff | Is anyone else experiencing the permission denied on /etc/logrotate.d/base-config file while upgrading? I can't seem to fix it, even as root. |
| 17:32.43 | chealer | abrotman: the maintainer seems to care, and the RM is asking for people to report if they can reproduce |
| 17:33.12 | csy | guys when im compiling php with --with-mysql=/usr/lib/ i get the error configure: error: Cannot find MySQL header files under /usr/lib. | Note that the MySQL client library is not bundled anymore. however ive checked, and the libraries such as libmysqlclient.so.10 are in this dir, any ideas? |
| 17:33.13 | abrotman | chealer: oh well ... seems like a grave bug to me .. but i'm not the maintainer or the RM |
| 17:33.19 | paulswm | "report if they can reproduce" means "say if they can have babies" |
| 17:33.23 | FieldySnuts | @lart RM |
| 17:33.30 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 17:33.35 | _joey | the problem with divx stand alone players is that they don't support all formats and if a new codecs comes out , it'd get obsoltete . I find a small, non-nosy PC with remote control is the best dvd player |
| 17:33.38 | shingouz | that was a real serious lart |
| 17:33.43 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 17:34.09 | shingouz | _joey: the yamadas firmware can be flashed if the manufacturer keeps up to date |
| 17:34.21 | chealer | paulswm: hehe |
| 17:34.32 | _joey | I've got a good stand alone dvd player from Sony |
| 17:34.33 | abrotman | chealer: and the machine i reproduced it got cannibaled at work |
| 17:34.46 | _joey | always something has to be converted to play on it |
| 17:34.49 | nevyn | csy: why are you compiling php? |
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| 17:35.02 | csy | because apt wouldnt install it properly |
| 17:35.22 | nevyn | define properly. |
| 17:35.24 | simonrvn | oh boy, don't compile php if you can avoid it. it's like building apache2 or one of the DEs |
| 17:35.44 | simonrvn | the one in debian works ok |
| 17:35.45 | abrotman | simonrvn: not quite that bad :) |
| 17:35.56 | TwistedEmotions | in lilo.conf should boot=/dev/hda or /dev/hda1? |
| 17:36.01 | _joey | oh yeah, there's a community that using linux boxes with dvb-s cards and vdr software |
| 17:36.01 | DerSchotte | csy = masochist :) |
| 17:36.03 | nevyn | building php is up there with X and apache in terms of horrible build dependancies/systems |
| 17:36.08 | simonrvn | depends where you saved the boot blocks |
| 17:36.17 | csy | when i apt it, usualyl it wud place a dir in /etc/php5/ however, it decides its going to do a half install |
| 17:36.18 | jetdotnet | TwistedEmotions: hda |
| 17:36.23 | simonrvn | nevyn: yes |
| 17:36.24 | TwistedEmotions | jetdotnet: thanks. |
| 17:36.25 | csy | so i was going to compile/make :x |
| 17:36.37 | jetdotnet | TwistedEmotions: root=hda1, boot=hda |
| 17:36.41 | nevyn | csy: don't |
| 17:36.43 | jetdotnet | np |
| 17:36.44 | simonrvn | and why are you building php5? |
| 17:36.51 | nevyn | csy: you probably just havn't installed all the bits. |
| 17:36.57 | TwistedEmotions | jetdotnet: got it. |
| 17:37.04 | DerSchotte | csy: it'll mess up your package DB doing it that way |
| 17:37.08 | noduff | Nobody has any ideas? I've got the file etc/logrotate.d/base-config that I can't chmod even as root. I can't upgrade base-config right now because root doesn't have permission to the file. |
| 17:37.12 | pipeline | xidaux: It appears that Maxima 5.9.1 builds fine with the version of CMUCL in Debian, so that would be the path I would take. |
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| 17:37.26 | pipeline | xidaux: Building Maxima with a real lisp compiler will be much, much, much faster than freaking clisp. |
| 17:37.27 | simonrvn | noduff: lsattr that file |
| 17:37.33 | csy | plus the fact that i want to install it with apache2 |
| 17:37.36 | noduff | simonrvn, thanks you... brb |
| 17:37.40 | chealer | is archive.d.o known to be down...or what happens with that site? |
| 17:37.45 | jetdotnet | well yeah i didn't want to get into the other part of how to lilo |
| 17:37.46 | caphuso | maxima is already packaged |
| 17:37.47 | simonrvn | noduff: tell me what it says |
| 17:37.47 | csy | which it seems to want to install the apache-common package when i try to apt php5 |
| 17:37.59 | nevyn | csy: sarge? |
| 17:38.04 | jetdotnet | apache and php? omg |
| 17:38.06 | mwilson | csy: Yes, so? |
| 17:38.08 | nevyn | csy: install apache2 first then php... |
| 17:38.31 | csy | apache-common, as far as i understood it, is apache1 no? |
| 17:38.38 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:38.40 | TwistedEmotions | When trying to mount a img file... mount foo.img /location/ and if it's a DVD what file format options do I need? |
| 17:38.59 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: not much point in mounting a dvd file |
| 17:39.01 | TwistedEmotions | sudo mount -o loop meteor-kohtc.img /mnt |
| 17:39.06 | silverton | How do I purge downloaded .deb 's? |
| 17:39.07 | TwistedEmotions | there we go. |
| 17:39.08 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: do you want to play it? |
| 17:39.08 | nevyn | csy: but the dependancy is actually apache-common || apache2-common it's just satisfying it with the first in the list. |
| 17:39.10 | simonrvn | loop mount it |
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| 17:39.20 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn: just view... not edit |
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| 17:39.28 | MobyTurbo | silverton: apt-get clean |
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| 17:39.32 | ratifers | dia !! |
| 17:39.33 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: What movie have you stolen now? |
| 17:39.36 | nevyn | but if you install apache2 it should be satisfied and it'll be all good. |
| 17:39.37 | cathrine | anyone know an easy way to rezise an entire series of images to a smaller size? |
| 17:39.38 | silverton | MobyTurbo, thanks |
| 17:39.39 | coocoo | clear |
| 17:39.44 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: losetup /dev/loop0 file.img && mplayer -dvd-device /dev/loop0 dvd:// |
| 17:39.46 | blueboy | clear |
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| 17:39.53 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: Kingdom of heaven ;) \ |
| 17:40.00 | nevyn | cathrine: imagemagic's convert |
| 17:40.06 | cathrine | thanks |
| 17:40.19 | mwilson | Couldn't you at least pirate something worth watching? |
| 17:40.20 | blueboy | Im trying to install openbox, its saying there is a conflict with menu |
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| 17:40.24 | jonkri | i've set up exim and a mailing list. what can cause mailman NOT to mail me as owner and tell me that the list have been created? i've searched the web but i don't really know what to search for |
| 17:40.25 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn: what does that do? |
| 17:40.27 | mwilson | blueboy: No, it's not. |
| 17:40.35 | caphuso | valdyn: mplayer -dvd-device foo.img should work too |
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| 17:40.48 | valdyn | caphuso: ah, neat, didnt know that. |
| 17:40.53 | nevyn | extreme MORMONS!!!! |
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| 17:41.37 | nevyn | cathrine: just do a for loop in bash and then use convert -geometry 600x400 $image it should be pretty straightforward |
| 17:41.38 | blueboy | whats the name of the latest openbox package ? |
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| 17:41.49 | mwilson | blueboy: "openbox" |
| 17:41.50 | jetdotnet | openbox, strangely enough |
| 17:42.01 | nevyn | catherine: that convert syntax is probably bogus tho. |
| 17:42.02 | DerSchotte | cathrine: for pic in *.jpg; do echo "Converting $pic"; convert -scale 10% $pic $pic.thunbnail.jpg; done |
| 17:42.04 | noduff | simonrvn, lsattr: Permission denied while trying to stat base-config |
| 17:42.14 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: Come on... pirating KoH is like pirating RotS... why would anyone bother? |
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| 17:42.25 | simonrvn | noduff: what about the dir it's sitting in? |
| 17:42.30 | csy | apache2-common is already the newest version. |
| 17:42.35 | csy | but when i try to apt php5 |
| 17:42.36 | csy | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 17:42.36 | csy | apache-common php5 |
| 17:42.44 | nevyn | mwilson: because it makes the MPAA so angry ;) |
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| 17:42.55 | valdyn | !depends php5 |
| 17:43.00 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: 1) What is RotS 2) I am just watching a movie buddy ;) |
| 17:43.00 | simonrvn | noduff: seems to me if lsattr has ----------- and the dir has 755, you need to fsck methinks |
| 17:43.15 | phogg | DerSchotte: that breaks when there are spaces in the file names |
| 17:43.16 | nevyn | TwistedEmotions: return of the sith star wars ep III |
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| 17:43.18 | jetdotnet | return of the sith i guess |
| 17:43.36 | mwilson | csy: Why don't you ask whoever created whatever unofficial package you're using why it depends on Apache 1.x if you're so sure it should depend on Apache 2.x? |
| 17:43.46 | TwistedEmotions | nevyn: Still waiting for filelist.org to get it... ;P |
| 17:44.03 | noduff | simonrvn, ok, I think I'll do an fsck... thanks. |
| 17:44.06 | csy | mwilson: apt-get install php5? i wouldn't say thats an unofficial package |
| 17:44.08 | jetdotnet | there are so many screener rips of sw 3 it's pathetic |
| 17:44.08 | mwilson | Good gods, he's *proud* of it! |
| 17:44.16 | abrotman | csy: it sure it |
| 17:44.17 | abrotman | err is |
| 17:44.19 | abrotman | it sure is |
| 17:44.23 | mwilson | rei $ apt-cache search php5 |
| 17:44.23 | mwilson | [10:44 am][pts/5][/home/mwilson] |
| 17:44.24 | abrotman | !info php5 sid |
| 17:44.30 | DerSchotte | csy: are you on woody or sarge ? |
| 17:44.38 | abrotman | !info php5 experimental |
| 17:44.48 | mwilson | csy: Stable, testing, unstable. None contain PHP5. So, where are you getting it from? |
| 17:44.50 | abrotman | look . it's not anywhere |
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| 17:45.05 | valdyn | csy: it *alternatively* depends on the mod-phpX package, which you could resolve yourself |
| 17:45.06 | phogg | csy: apt-cache policy php5. Where is it fromn? |
| 17:45.14 | csy | hmm |
| 17:45.17 | valdyn | csy: it *alternatively* depends on the apache2 mod-phpX package, which you could resolve yourself |
| 17:45.20 | csy | gonna check my sources.list |
| 17:45.22 | csy | sec |
| 17:45.25 | csy | uname -a |
| 17:45.25 | csy | Linux teh.int0rw3b.com 2.6.11 #1 Sun May 22 14:31:15 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:45.29 | mwilson | csy: The fact that you can put some random package archive into sources.list and install things with apt does NOT make anything an "official" package. |
| 17:46.24 | csy | #deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./ |
| 17:46.24 | csy | #deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ woody module-init-tools initrd-tools procps |
| 17:46.28 | csy | commented them out now |
| 17:46.33 | csy | but dotdeb i presume |
| 17:46.55 | valdyn | csy: so apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 ( or somesuch ) |
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| 17:48.39 | nevyn | csy: are you in the uk? |
| 17:48.45 | csy | yep |
| 17:49.22 | abrotman | yes .. dotdeb has screwy php5 packages |
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| 17:50.23 | nevyn | csy: do you know a person who's first name is Philip? |
| 17:50.29 | csy | yes |
| 17:50.33 | _me_ | libdvdcss2 should that lib be all i need to play copyprotected dvd's? or encrypted cuz like some of the dvd's i have wont play? |
| 17:50.35 | csy | phillip baker? |
| 17:50.44 | nevyn | that one. |
| 17:50.56 | csy | hes who my server is with |
| 17:51.06 | nevyn | right. |
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| 17:51.26 | amphi | _me_: you might need to play with regionset or upgrade yr firmware |
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| 17:51.36 | codecaine | hey all, can someone tell me how to tell if i have Mail::SpamAssassin perl module already installed, or any perl module for that matter? |
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| 17:51.47 | csy | nevyn: can i msg u? |
| 17:51.48 | amphi | codecaine: not I |
| 17:51.53 | nevyn | csy: sure. |
| 17:51.54 | codecaine | amp, bummer |
| 17:51.56 | justin | !wayttd codecaine |
| 17:51.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, codecaine? |
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| 17:52.01 | justin | hmm |
| 17:52.14 | codecaine | justin, configure Amavis-new |
| 17:52.17 | hac | How I can cut & paste text without without mouse? |
| 17:52.24 | codecaine | Mail::SpamAssassin isnt listed in modules in the log |
| 17:52.27 | codecaine | when starting amavis-new |
| 17:52.30 | valdyn | codecaine: "info Mail::SpamAssassin" |
| 17:52.33 | codecaine | thx |
| 17:52.36 | aeho | ctrl + c & ctrl + v |
| 17:52.40 | aeho | oops |
| 17:52.40 | blueboy | apt-get says openbox has no available version but exists in the database!! |
| 17:52.42 | justin | !+info spamassassin |
| 17:52.45 | aeho | not ctrl + c |
| 17:52.47 | blueboy | what do I do ? |
| 17:52.47 | dpkg | spamassassin: (Perl-based spam filter using text analysis), section mail, is optional. Version: 3.0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 750 kB, Installed size: 2360 kB |
| 17:53.09 | codecaine | i get an info page |
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| 17:53.16 | jjb123 | Can someone hlep me with apache on debian. My problem is I install apache and then it says to my server in the browser and that I should see a test page. Instead i get a doesnt exsist page. I tried connecting off of my network. Any ideas? |
| 17:53.28 | coywolf | how to disable Signature checking? |
| 17:53.42 | coywolf | that fails my aptitude |
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| 17:53.52 | codecaine | justin: i got an info page does that mean it's installed? |
| 17:54.07 | jjb123 | Anyone? |
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| 17:54.16 | r3m | yes cocaine |
| 17:54.27 | aztec101 | hello all |
| 17:54.32 | codecaine | r3, thanks is that the WAY of checking for installed perl modules? |
| 17:54.46 | jjb123 | Please someone help! |
| 17:55.05 | r3m | not the proper way.. |
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| 17:55.24 | justin | codecaine: uh huh |
| 17:55.35 | codecaine | good enough for me, thanks |
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| 17:55.44 | jjb123 | Please! |
| 17:55.49 | codecaine | any reason why Mail:SpamAssassin isn't listed when amavis-new is started? |
| 17:56.21 | codecaine | jjb123: did you open browser and point it to your debian server>? |
| 17:56.31 | aztec101 | I need a little direction. I need to add something to $PKG_CONFIG_PATH but I am not sure how to do this |
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| 17:56.45 | codecaine | ldconfig or something? |
| 17:56.48 | apfel | Is there a program that displays all IPs offering samba shares (and ideally displays further information like the name of the computer, etc.) on the LAN? |
| 17:56.57 | codecaine | yeah |
| 17:57.03 | codecaine | smbclient doesn't it? |
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| 17:57.11 | phogg | apfel: smbclient |
| 17:57.12 | codecaine | their are console based samba clients too |
| 17:57.16 | jjb123 | PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:57.23 | valdyn | aztec101: PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig ./configure ( for example ) |
| 17:57.27 | codecaine | jjb123: i just asked you a question man |
| 17:57.28 | jjb123 | Yeh, I typed in my ip. |
| 17:57.34 | phogg | jjb123: well I was going to say no, but the tenth ! changed my mind |
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| 17:57.45 | coywolf | help |
| 17:57.48 | cerius | hi kann jemand deutsch? |
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| 17:57.53 | valdyn | !de |
| 17:57.54 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 17:57.57 | codecaine | http://debianserver |
| 17:58.01 | aztec101 | valdyn: TY will look at that |
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| 17:58.10 | codecaine | jjb123: loginto your server and do nmap localhost and see if 80 is open? |
| 17:58.11 | acid-trip | can any one help with lexmark 1155 |
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| 17:58.30 | coywolf | Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/galeon_1.3.20-1_i386.deb ... |
| 17:58.30 | coywolf | debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed. |
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| 17:58.45 | amphi | jjb123: or netstat -plunt and see if apache (or anything else) is listening on port 80 |
| 17:58.50 | c00k | I am trying to install openbox |
| 17:58.51 | jjb123 | I already tried that. I typed in telnet localhost 80, then GET / HTTP/1.0 and got my source code. |
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| 17:59.08 | c00k | I did apt-get install openbox it says it mentioned in a dependency blah blah blah |
| 17:59.11 | c00k | what do I do ? |
| 17:59.25 | streuner | c00k: paste the _first_ error |
| 17:59.30 | streuner | only one line |
| 17:59.33 | coywolf | how to disable debsigs? |
| 17:59.34 | mwilson | c00k: Actually tell someone what the error is, of course. |
| 17:59.46 | jjb123 | Any more ideas? |
| 17:59.59 | streuner | !tell c00k about paster |
| 18:00.03 | justin | jjb123: fix your browser. |
| 18:00.07 | codecaine | ok then 80 is open and responding? |
| 18:00.07 | valdyn | jjb123: that means your webserver is working |
| 18:00.14 | amphi | jjb123: telnet works from a remote box? |
| 18:00.17 | streuner | c00k: and show us your sources.list |
| 18:00.20 | codecaine | jjb123: looks like client side issue |
| 18:00.23 | jjb123 | I tried on two computers IE, Firfox and mozzila. |
| 18:00.29 | codecaine | jjb123: you type in a proxy or something? |
| 18:00.35 | c00k | it says openbox has no available version but exists in the database |
| 18:00.40 | c00k | I dont know how to cut and paste |
| 18:00.48 | codecaine | jjb123: install lynx on the server and login to your webserver with that to see if it works |
| 18:00.48 | valdyn | !info openbox |
| 18:00.53 | dpkg | openbox: (standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 204 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
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| 18:00.58 | valdyn | c00k: in which debian release? |
| 18:01.00 | valdyn | !info openbox sarge |
| 18:01.04 | jjb123 | No proxy, one sec ill fire up my server and see if you can access it. |
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| 18:01.12 | dpkg | openbox: (standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.2-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 204 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
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| 18:02.13 | streuner | c00k: are you actually in # |
| 18:02.17 | streuner | c00k: are you actually in debian? |
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| 18:02.24 | c00k | yeah |
| 18:02.31 | streuner | c00k: /j #flood |
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| 18:02.36 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 18:02.42 | aztec101 | valdyn: not there |
| 18:02.56 | maja | any one got any pointers on installing nvidia cards in sarge ? |
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| 18:03.01 | valdyn | aztec101: not there what? |
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| 18:03.18 | codecaine | maja look at www.ubuntuforums.org and look there |
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| 18:03.23 | Aronofsky | im looking for a godd filer but not associated to a specific desktop ( as nautilus or konqueror ) , can you tell me what exists ? |
| 18:03.24 | mwilson | Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main openbox 3.2-7 [210kB] |
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| 18:03.39 | TNKS_ | hello everyone. Does anybody know if it's possible to have /dev/input/mice exclude a mouse device but include the rest? |
| 18:03.42 | valdyn | aztec101: setting your PKG_CONFIG_PATH cannot conjure that file for you, it is only a hint for one possible reason on why that file might not be found.. |
| 18:03.46 | aztec101 | pkgconfig in usr/local/lib |
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| 18:04.00 | maja | codecaine: ta |
| 18:04.01 | Aronofsky | already saw rox, are there others ? |
| 18:04.16 | furrywolf | argh. just got a phone call from my father... who's piss drunk, and wonders why I never visit him. |
| 18:04.22 | jjb123 | Still cant get server working! |
| 18:04.24 | maja | codecaine: should install fine with 2.2 kernel ? |
| 18:04.27 | valdyn | aztec101: so, do you even have that file? |
| 18:04.30 | furrywolf | and is now planning on driving over here |
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| 18:05.00 | jjb123 | I dont know why, every thing is right. |
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| 18:05.10 | chealer | maja: 2.2 kernel in sarge :? |
| 18:05.13 | aztec101 | valdyn well waht the issue is I need to get glib2.0 or higher installed and I though I had updated it but my system is not recognizing it is there |
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| 18:05.52 | maja | chealer: not a good combo ? |
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| 18:06.02 | amphi | jjb123: iptables not blocking port 80? |
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| 18:06.30 | chealer | maja: well, I wouldn't recommend it, but you're upgrading from woody? |
| 18:06.33 | maja | i have been trying to update to 2.6.10 but no joy yet :( |
| 18:06.42 | aztec101 | valdyn: yes I do have pkgconfig |
| 18:06.42 | maja | chealer: have upgraded |
| 18:06.44 | valdyn | aztec101: in debian you need the -dev packages too, so for glib2.0 libglib2.0-dev |
| 18:06.50 | chealer | maja: what about 2.6.8 or 2.4.27? |
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| 18:07.22 | maja | chealer: didnt try 2.6.8 2.4.27 network didnt work |
| 18:07.22 | jjb123 | amphi: Port 80 is completly open. |
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| 18:07.29 | aztec101 | valdyn: libglib2.0 is present and recognized |
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| 18:07.49 | valdyn | aztec101: i know |
| 18:07.50 | chealer | maja: do you want 3D acceleration or just 2D? |
| 18:07.52 | amphi | jjb123: is it listening on the external iface ip address? |
| 18:08.03 | codecaine | jjb123: try nmaping debian server on port 80 from one of your clients |
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| 18:08.05 | valdyn | aztec101: *libglib2.0-dev* is what you miss |
| 18:08.08 | maja | 2d is fine for now |
| 18:08.08 | jjb123 | What? |
| 18:08.09 | codecaine | make sure no firewall is enabled |
| 18:08.16 | jjb123 | No firewall |
| 18:08.16 | codecaine | jjb123: try to port scan 80 from a client |
| 18:08.24 | jjb123 | ok |
| 18:08.33 | chealer | maja: then...what's your problem? |
| 18:08.43 | jjb123 | How do I do that |
| 18:08.43 | maja | chealer: startx cant find drivers |
| 18:08.44 | streuner | c00k: Still alive? |
| 18:08.48 | valdyn | aztec101: or some other -dev package, since you're making the precise error a secret, i cant know which one it is |
| 18:09.07 | amphi | jjb123: what happens if you telnet to port 80 from another machine? |
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| 18:09.11 | chealer | maja: hum what do you mean? what driver are you using? |
| 18:09.15 | maja | chealer: files out with nvidia |
| 18:09.20 | jjb123 | ill try |
| 18:09.22 | maja | chealer: make that "nvidia" |
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| 18:09.32 | aztec101 | valdyn: libglib2.0-dev is rpesent |
| 18:09.36 | maja | chealer: also tryed nv |
| 18:09.46 | chealer | maja: sorry what do you mean by "files out"? |
| 18:09.48 | jjb123 | doesnt work |
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| 18:09.51 | valdyn | aztec101: time to reveal the precise error |
| 18:10.13 | amphi | jjb123: what does netstat -plunt | grep apache show? |
| 18:10.13 | maja | chealer: sorry ment to delet that part of the line |
| 18:10.14 | chealer | maja: nvidia is NVIDIA's non-free driver for getting 3D. I suggest you try nv instead |
| 18:10.22 | jjb123 | let me check |
| 18:10.26 | amphi | jjb123: as root, btw |
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| 18:10.29 | maja | chealer: tried nv no joy |
| 18:10.36 | chealer | maja: what was the problem? |
| 18:11.04 | aztec101 | valdyn: the only thing I can tell you is I am trying to install gaim1.30 and it is telling me I cant install it because it requires glib2.0 or higehr |
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| 18:11.20 | maja | chealer: final error is not screens found |
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| 18:11.51 | codecaine | looks like apache is running he just can't get to it from another client |
| 18:11.51 | chealer | !tell maja about noscreensfound |
| 18:11.51 | valdyn | aztec101: you're trying to compile it arent you? or where else should that PKG_CONFIG_PATH error come from? |
| 18:11.55 | CyL | I have a machine running a sshd behind a nat. The nat has part 22 forwarded. I can connect to this machine with computer within the local network, but with computer outside the nat. What could be happening? |
| 18:11.59 | chealer | maja: sorry that's not what I meant |
| 18:12.03 | chealer | !tell maja about no screens found |
| 18:12.10 | aztec101 | valdyn: yes |
| 18:12.17 | valdyn | aztec101: i need that precise error message. |
| 18:12.23 | CyL | I have a machine running a sshd behind a nat. The nat has port 22 forwarded. I can connect to this machine with computer within the local network, but not with computer outside the nat. What could be happening? |
| 18:12.37 | aztec101 | wait a moment I will get what it is telling me |
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| 18:13.11 | codecaine | ANYONE: any reason why the amavis log is not showing Mail:SpamAssassin as a module being used, spamassassin is installed....?? |
| 18:13.25 | jjb123 | amphi: it says "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 323/apache" |
| 18:13.26 | maja | chealer: EE line says no divices found |
| 18:13.37 | jonkri | i've set up mailman on my debian box, but i'm concerned about the relay settings (which i havn't changed). can you recommend a text i can read about the issue, so that i'm safe? |
| 18:13.38 | valdyn | aztec101: in the meantime.. why are you not using the gaim 1.3 debian package? |
| 18:14.11 | valdyn | !info gaim sarge |
| 18:14.14 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.1-1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 858 kB, Installed size: 2204 kB |
| 18:14.17 | jjb123 | amphi? |
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| 18:14.46 | chealer | !tell maja about msg |
| 18:14.56 | chealer | maja: isn't there something before that? |
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| 18:15.21 | amphi | jjb123: seems ok; dunno what else to try really - what error do you get when you try to telnet from a remote box? |
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| 18:15.38 | jjb123 | it just says it cant find it |
| 18:15.53 | maja | chealer: yup nv card print out, II |
| 18:16.00 | amphi | jjb123: when you use the ip address? |
| 18:16.06 | jjb123 | same |
| 18:16.15 | amphi | jjb123: ping works? :) |
| 18:16.22 | jjb123 | Havent tried |
| 18:16.27 | jjb123 | one sec |
| 18:16.34 | chealer | maja: hum, I'm not sure I can help you, but what's your card? |
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| 18:16.51 | maja | chealer: gforce fx 4 i think |
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| 18:17.04 | maja | how do i get bus id ? |
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| 18:17.09 | dingman | anyone here know how to beat uw-imap into submission? |
| 18:17.20 | jjb123 | amphi: all time out |
| 18:17.29 | dingman | It just stopped showing all my mailboxes after an upgrade in Testing. |
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| 18:17.38 | chealer | maja: leave it blank |
| 18:17.47 | astronut | i just isntalled woody, i have no /dev/cdrom, what do i need to link to? it's scsii i'm pretty sure |
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| 18:18.11 | valdyn | astronut: try dmesg | grep cdrom |
| 18:18.12 | astronut | no, it's hda..nm |
| 18:18.13 | glick | hey has anyone here ever used Qingy? |
| 18:18.15 | amphi | jjb123: there goes my 'tunneling http over icmp' idea then :) |
| 18:18.16 | glick | it looks cool |
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| 18:18.28 | astronut | valdyn: was just looking through it by hand ;-) |
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| 18:18.59 | jjb123 | what was it |
| 18:19.05 | amphi | jjb123: routing problem or cable is all I can think of |
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| 18:19.10 | amphi | jjb123: that was a joke |
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| 18:19.18 | jjb123 | oh |
| 18:19.22 | jjb123 | yeh |
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| 18:19.43 | jjb123 | I gues I will go to google than |
| 18:19.52 | Myren | is google monitoring my web usage if i navigate from a search result? |
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| 18:20.11 | Myren | it could be my imagination, but i think they're proxying me somehow now |
| 18:20.23 | aztec101 | valdyn: ah crud error has changed it now indicated GTK+ 2.0 headers are missing |
| 18:20.30 | maja | chealer: still same problem aft reconf :( |
| 18:20.40 | valdyn | aztec101: so you need... |
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| 18:21.02 | maja | chealer: says is asinging divice with no bus id ? |
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| 18:21.25 | valdyn | aztec101: libgtk2.0-dev, but it is probably safer and easier to "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" and use the sid gaim 1.3 package |
| 18:21.49 | chealer | maja: hum, can you paste that? |
| 18:22.04 | maja | wish i could |
| 18:22.21 | chealer | maja: you have one of these, right? NV30, NV31, NV34, NV35, NV36, NV38 |
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| 18:22.39 | glick | qingy anyone? |
| 18:22.41 | stupidkid | how many people here using sid |
| 18:22.43 | stupidkid | ? |
| 18:22.47 | maja | chealer: any way to find out with out the box ? |
| 18:22.51 | deadcat | !poll |
| 18:22.51 | dpkg | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 18:22.52 | valdyn | !tell stupidkid about polls |
| 18:22.52 | chealer | !tell stupidkid about polls |
| 18:23.00 | stupidkid | :d |
| 18:23.04 | deadcat | biatch |
| 18:23.11 | maja | !tell maja about polls |
| 18:23.15 | stupidkid | lol |
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| 18:23.37 | chealer | maja: what do you mean, "with out the box"? without the box? sorry I'm not natively English-speaking |
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| 18:23.56 | drac_ | maja: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 18:23.59 | chealer | maja: to be told about a factoid without spamming channel, use /msg dpkg foo |
| 18:24.00 | maja | chealer: is ok mine is not to good |
| 18:24.18 | chealer | yeah it would be lspci anyway |
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| 18:24.59 | maja | says unknowen divice |
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| 18:25.30 | drac_ | maja: and some number/letters in that same line? |
| 18:25.48 | zyro | framebuffer (vesafb) doesn't work for me. the screen is black during boot until X is started. no penguin...! :-) any help? |
| 18:25.55 | maja | or rather vga compatiable: nvidia corp unkowen dev 0185 rev a4 |
| 18:26.00 | deadcat | do you guys notice bash3 is pretty screwy when your prompt has color, set -o vi, and try to escape then / to search ? |
| 18:26.17 | simonrvn | how about the numbers/letters in front of that? |
| 18:26.27 | maja | 01:00.0 |
| 18:26.37 | simonrvn | the other ones too |
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| 18:26.53 | simonrvn | do lspci -n |
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| 18:27.11 | m0p | Hello, if I compile a program with GCC 3.4, will it work on a system that only has GCC 3.3? Do they use the same libs? |
| 18:27.15 | simonrvn | might need to update your pci ids too |
| 18:27.21 | m0p | or would I need to include em with me app? |
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| 18:27.32 | drac_ | 0185 NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x] |
| 18:27.33 | maja | simonrvn: class 0300 10de:0185 |
| 18:27.37 | simonrvn | run sudo update-pciids |
| 18:27.45 | simonrvn | ok |
| 18:27.59 | CyL | I have a machine running a sshd behind a nat. The nat has port 22 forwarded. I can connect to this machine with computer within the local network, but not with computer outside the nat. What could be happening? |
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| 18:28.10 | m0p | anyone? |
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| 18:28.23 | deadcat | m0p: test it out yourlsef |
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| 18:28.42 | m0p | I don't have a machine that doesn't have GCC 3.4, so I can't really |
| 18:28.43 | maja | simonrvn: let me just get update-pciids |
| 18:28.50 | m0p | I suppose I could remove it |
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| 18:29.03 | deadcat | m0p: then what do you care... |
| 18:29.03 | daxal | m0p: there's an idea. |
| 18:29.10 | sepski | CyL, obviously your port forwarding on port 22 is not working correctly. |
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| 18:29.13 | valdyn | m0p: it depends on the programming language your code is in |
| 18:29.32 | chealer | simonrvn: BTW, does that command run by itself from time to time or what? |
| 18:29.37 | simonrvn | what gcc is installed doesn't matter when running it. it's the libc6 and possibly other libs that will matter; this explains why you cannot run sarge apps in woody |
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| 18:30.05 | valdyn | m0p: compiled C will work, compiled C++ likely won't |
| 18:30.11 | simonrvn | chealer: no cron job i know of runs it; you could cron it i suppose |
| 18:30.18 | m0p | well, it's in C++ |
| 18:30.26 | chealer | simonrvn: ok... |
| 18:30.44 | simonrvn | probably once a month or so |
| 18:30.49 | daxal | m0p: you could make a static binary |
| 18:30.53 | chealer | I thought it was magic :) |
| 18:30.53 | valdyn | m0p: then dont mix 3.4 w/ 3.3 compiled binaries |
| 18:30.56 | simonrvn | doesn't change often |
| 18:31.06 | valdyn | m0p: yea what daxal sais |
| 18:31.11 | sepski | chealer, if your lspci identifies all the hardware in your box, i dont realy see the point of upgrading any further, unless you change your hardware _very_ often :) |
| 18:31.22 | m0p | wouldn't that decrease performance? |
| 18:31.25 | CyL | sepski: Well, I also suposed so, until I tryed grc.com port scanning, and it surprisingly told me only the ports that should be open according to my nat's configuration, where open... I thought this may be something inside the sshd server |
| 18:31.27 | m0p | or increase it? |
| 18:31.45 | valdyn | m0p: increase memory usage, thats it, probably insignificantly |
| 18:31.50 | chealer | sepski: yeah, but I was wondering if forgetting about this command would matter or not in case I get new hardware |
| 18:31.50 | sepski | CyL, not if you use the default debian ssh it's not |
| 18:31.56 | daxal | m0p: only the size of the binary would change. performance differances beyond that are usualy trivial |
| 18:31.57 | maja | simonrvn: that has giveing lspci all right info but still no luck with nv or nvidia drivers |
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| 18:32.02 | simonrvn | sepski: based upon the pciids file's data. if that data is out of date - like woody's - then you need to update it |
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| 18:32.13 | CyL | sepski: I'm using it.... |
| 18:32.14 | DerSchotte | Please guys an' gals, I need help fixing my LVM. See https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2005-May/msg00057.html |
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| 18:32.22 | chealer | maja: so what's your nv* number? |
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| 18:32.24 | simonrvn | maja: what are you trying to do? i missed it |
| 18:32.25 | sepski | simonrvn, ofcouse, but not very often, woudn't gain you anything :) |
| 18:32.31 | Xinux | GET SOME CRUNK IN YO SYSTEM |
| 18:32.31 | DerSchotte | Really, I have to get this fixxed in 2 hours :( |
| 18:32.39 | jjb123 | I need help. I still cant get my apache server to work. It works with local host but not with my IP address. Is there some special config thing I need to do? |
| 18:32.43 | m0p | hmm, one more q, where would I find my libc file? in /lib I can find libc-2.3.2.so but I'm not entirely sure if thats what I'm looking for, and I can't find libc++ (?) anywhere |
| 18:32.46 | valdyn | m0p: naturally the binary's size will increase ( by alot ) but that should not be a problem.. |
| 18:32.58 | glick | hey in debian is /boot/grub/menu.lst equivalent to /boot/grub/grub.conf on other systems? |
| 18:33.03 | maja | simonrvn: startx |
| 18:33.05 | daxal | m0p: a static binary uses no libs |
| 18:33.06 | simonrvn | there is no libc++ |
| 18:33.17 | maja | chealer: nv18 |
| 18:33.19 | daxal | atleast not via runtime |
| 18:33.20 | sepski | cyl: well im doing wxactly what your describing, and i have no issues with it |
| 18:33.27 | simonrvn | maja: did you look at your x log? /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:33.34 | simonrvn | grep EE that log |
| 18:33.38 | jjb123 | Anyone> |
| 18:33.38 | aalex | how can i fix my timezone ? |
| 18:33.45 | m0p | I wasn't talking about that daxal, I was asking where I would find the needed files to include with a C++ app to run it on a non gcc 3.4 system |
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| 18:33.47 | sepski | aalex, tzconfig ? |
| 18:33.48 | simonrvn | tzconfig |
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| 18:33.56 | aztec101 | !polls |
| 18:33.56 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 18:33.58 | aalex | i ll try that |
| 18:34.07 | |V\oNK | hello |
| 18:34.08 | CyL | sepski: okay... I'll do a little more research... thanks... |
| 18:34.11 | mwilson | glick: No, amazingly enough, the one doesn't have anything to do with the other, as actually LOOKING at either one would tell you. |
| 18:34.18 | m0p | Ahh, I know, /lib/libc.so.6? would including that work? |
| 18:34.25 | jjb123 | Any one have any ideas? |
| 18:34.26 | m0p | well, in the directory of the binary |
| 18:34.27 | phogg | glick: if you examine its contents you can probably answer that question youself. Look at a grub.conf and a menu.list and compare |
| 18:34.30 | sepski | CyL, you could try portforwarding some random port to your sshd port 22, and use that port externaly |
| 18:34.37 | chealer | maja: NV18...that sounds like GeForce4, not GeForce FX |
| 18:34.39 | simonrvn | m0p: including it where? what are you doing? |
| 18:34.40 | maja | simonrvn: 1st EE line, filed to load NVIDIA kernel module, aborting, unloading |
| 18:34.43 | DerSchotte | ls /usr/lib/libstdc++* |
| 18:34.45 | aalex | my timezone is right, but i am still 4 hours late... how can i fix this ? |
| 18:34.49 | glick | phogg, i dont have a grub.conf file |
| 18:34.57 | CyL | sepski: thanks for the hint |
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| 18:34.58 | chealer | maja: don't try with nvidia yet, try nv |
| 18:35.01 | phogg | glick: then why do you care? |
| 18:35.01 | sepski | aalex, install ntpdate and ntp-simple |
| 18:35.06 | maja | chealer: listing as gforce4 mx, sounds good |
| 18:35.07 | aalex | i installed ntp-simple |
| 18:35.08 | valdyn | m0p: /usr/lib/libstdc++* |
| 18:35.09 | simonrvn | maja: it was unable to load the kernel module. do you have it compiled for your kernel? |
| 18:35.12 | sepski | aalex, or set iut manualy with the date command |
| 18:35.19 | simonrvn | @tell Mindship-01 -about root |
| 18:35.26 | glick | phogg, im trying to spruce up my boot thas why |
| 18:35.27 | m0p | Well, specificly, it's not my application. It's Firefox. I've managed to run a GCC4 compiled build on my system (I dont have GCC4) and he included a couple of extra libraries |
| 18:35.30 | m0p | valdyn, k |
| 18:35.33 | valdyn | m0p: but that is not quite relevant on your target system since you will have to compile statically |
| 18:35.36 | aalex | sepski, so, is the command names ntpdate ? |
| 18:35.38 | maja | chealer: same error as last time |
| 18:35.43 | |V\oNK | anyone know of a VNC Server that i can run as a service and use kde? |
| 18:35.49 | chealer | maja: oh, ok, you said gforce fx 4 |
| 18:35.55 | m0p | firefox usually reads needed libraries from its directory if it cant find the right ones on the system |
| 18:36.00 | sepski | aalex, ntp-simple keeps your box in sync, ntpdate sets the time correct on boot, for ntp-date to easier sync |
| 18:36.01 | CyL | sepski: I'll try to close the open ports first... but I'va also included my server's ip in the nat's dma, an still got nothing... |
| 18:36.04 | maja | chealer: that is what it thought it was |
| 18:36.12 | CyL | s/dma/dmz |
| 18:36.13 | DerSchotte | |V\oNK: Xvnc |
| 18:36.13 | maja | simonrvn: to be honest i dont know |
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| 18:36.25 | simonrvn | do what chealer said, try nv |
| 18:36.31 | m0p | I have no files in /usr/lib - wtf? |
| 18:36.36 | maja | simonrvn: have tryed installing it from nvidia |
| 18:36.42 | chealer | maja: well, you have a geforce4 mx |
| 18:36.46 | maja | simonrvn: let me try again with pci better now |
| 18:36.51 | glick | does anyone know why i have no grub.conf file? |
| 18:37.00 | m0p | wait, yes I do, wrong directory! |
| 18:37.03 | valdyn | glick: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:37.12 | mwilson | glick: Is there some reason you SHOULD have one? |
| 18:37.30 | aalex | sepski : oh, its fixed !! |
| 18:37.32 | aalex | thanks sepski |
| 18:37.33 | maja | simonrvn: what is the best way to go about compiling it in ? |
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| 18:37.55 | deadcat | if my mouse is psmouse, should i use psmouse or mousedev ? |
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| 18:38.06 | bonez41 | backup question; is there a better way to back up data files? currently I just run scp user@my.ip.add.ress:/usr/archive/files/* /home/user/archive and that backs up all files from work to home... |
| 18:38.06 | m0p | so, libstdc++.so.6? |
| 18:38.18 | sepski | !better |
| 18:38.18 | dpkg | somebody said better was a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 18:38.22 | maja | chealer: same error as before with nv driver btw |
| 18:38.23 | daxal | bonez41: rsync is nice |
| 18:38.25 | valdyn | bonez41: dirvish or just rsync |
| 18:38.29 | m0p | I have 5 and 6 here, so 6 would be the right one? |
| 18:38.42 | daxal | m0p: man ldd |
| 18:38.51 | bonez41 | daxal, valdyn thanks....are they pretty simple to invoke? |
| 18:39.00 | chealer | maja: could you post the log? |
| 18:39.04 | bonez41 | I'll head for the reading to see how they work |
| 18:39.07 | daxal | bonez41: rsync.samba.org :) |
| 18:39.21 | bonez41 | daxal, thanks |
| 18:39.29 | valdyn | bonez41: i never use rsync directly, dirvish is easy enough to setup, and very easy to "invoke" |
| 18:39.34 | simonrvn | maja: the nvidia module, or nv? |
| 18:39.46 | m0p | ok, looks like I need both 5 and 6 :| |
| 18:40.05 | maja | simonrvn: both fail with not much helpfull output |
| 18:40.25 | maja | chealer: wish i could, best i can do now is email it to you |
| 18:40.34 | simonrvn | nv would be easier to get, since it's in the kernel source already |
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| 18:40.49 | chealer | maja: how come...couldn't you use a paster? |
| 18:41.29 | maja | no gui and cant think of a way to pipe out out into irssi |
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| 18:41.42 | nunez | Is there a known problem with vmware and serial #'s for windows xp? |
| 18:41.53 | maja | simonrvn: i just want to get this working |
| 18:41.59 | maja | can tweek later |
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| 18:42.17 | asuffield | nunez: that is quite stunningly unrelated to debian |
| 18:42.33 | sepski | nunez, read the knowledgebase of vmware for that |
| 18:42.48 | nunez | asuffield, well, im using debian to run vmware |
| 18:43.05 | aztec101 | valdyn: kudos to you my friend install successfull after apt-get libgtk2.0-dev now I can game in peace (and gaim with sound) LOL |
| 18:43.08 | asuffield | you're also using electricity. why not call the power company? I bet they'd know |
| 18:43.11 | nulltank | how do i edit my Applications menu (the whole thing, not just an existing item)? |
| 18:43.18 | mwilson | nunez: You paid for tech support, why aren't you using it? |
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| 18:43.31 | mwilson | nulltank: What is that supposed to mean? |
| 18:43.33 | Lorvija | hey, what program i could use to rotate x pictures into specified direction? |
| 18:43.39 | csy | question on apache related to php, i have this http://int0rw3b.com/index.php | ive added index.php to the DirectoryIndex, but is it php that isnt working with apache? |
| 18:43.48 | deadcat | mwilson: have you tried netwmpager1.6 yet? |
| 18:44.02 | mwilson | deadcat: Nah, didn't have a reason to. |
| 18:44.17 | nulltank | mwilson: well, i can right click on existing items to edit them, but i don't know how to create new directories or new items in empty dirs |
| 18:44.26 | chealer | csy: if PHP's working, then it's not working with apache, yeah |
| 18:44.41 | nulltank | mwilson: i'm using gnome/metacity |
| 18:44.55 | nulltank | mwilson: maybe it's a gnome question |
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| 18:44.59 | mwilson | nulltank: How is that relevant? |
| 18:45.19 | mwilson | nulltank: Oh, you mean you want to edit the *Gnome* menu. |
| 18:45.32 | nulltank | mwilson: yeah, i wasn't very clear |
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| 18:45.48 | Fluten | can the debian install bootcd be used to re-do a lilo mbr? |
| 18:46.03 | Fluten | i did an apt-get dist-upgrade, and forgot to run lilo afterwards (as always), and now it won't boot |
| 18:46.06 | deadcat | Fluten: you can do that with any cd. |
| 18:46.09 | jjb123 | I have a problem. I cant get my apache server to work. It works fine when I try to visist it with local host but not with my IP address. Do I have to edit something in my config file or what? |
| 18:46.24 | m0p | do you think a firefox binary compiled on a typical Debian sarge installation (with required GCC 3.4 stuff included with the app) will work on most typical Linux setups? |
| 18:46.25 | daxal | csy, take a look at http://www.surfthe.us/reference/cgi.html#PHP. it sounds like most of this applies, but you'll have to tinker to find out. |
| 18:47.05 | deadcat | i can only get mencoder to encode using divx4 and mp3lame, i cant use lavc |
| 18:47.14 | daxal | m0p: provided the same libs are available. if it's a static bin, it should work with most any modern kernel, even 2.2 I suppose. |
| 18:47.37 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:47.50 | csy | thanks daxal: ill take a look |
| 18:47.57 | jjb123 | Anybody have any ideas? |
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| 18:48.15 | daxal | jjb123: yea, my idea is to get dressed, and go get some air. why? |
| 18:48.24 | m0p | maybe I should do a static build, I want it to work on most setups. are you SURE a static build won't decrease performance? |
| 18:48.29 | m0p | even by a bit? |
| 18:48.32 | simonrvn | is it listening anywhere else other than localhost? that be a problem if it didn't |
| 18:48.50 | simonrvn | debian's is statically built IIRC |
| 18:48.55 | simonrvn | (firefox) |
| 18:49.09 | daxal | m0p: price, speed, and features. pick any two. *g* |
| 18:49.20 | jjb123 | Only works with local host, on the server. Doesnt even work with ip on the server its self |
| 18:49.24 | simonrvn | daxal: hehe |
| 18:49.36 | m0p | well, I added -enable-static and --disable-shared to my .mozconfig. So it probably is staticly built right? |
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| 18:50.10 | daxal | m0p: let your new experience guide you. try it and see. |
| 18:50.17 | OleMoudi | sorry for the offtopic, I cannot find any slang dictionary to translate "to play the gerry". Any american in the room could help me? |
| 18:50.36 | kotzbrocken | jjb123: firewall? |
| 18:50.40 | jjb123 | nope |
| 18:50.50 | m0p | I'll put it on a disk and try it out on my old computer (which is running an outdated Debian woody) |
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| 18:51.10 | jjb123 | I just installed debian, I didnt install any firwall. |
| 18:51.15 | jjb123 | How would I check though |
| 18:51.21 | daxal | jjb123: connection refused? does netstat suggest it's bound to localhost only? |
| 18:51.37 | daxal | no pasting :) |
| 18:51.38 | pureone | netstat -tupln |
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| 18:51.51 | jjb123 | Yeh, the connection gets refused with the ip |
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| 18:52.20 | aztec101 | Bye all and once again VALDYN Thank-You for your assistance gaim-1.3.0 install and running happily |
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| 18:52.44 | kotzbrocken | jjb123: look at the output of iptables-save |
| 18:52.52 | nayyares | do any body has experience of installing SLIB RPM in Fedora Core 3? |
| 18:52.54 | jjb123 | What would I look for |
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| 18:53.20 | daxal | jjb123: any lines that start with -A or any chain that says anything but ACCEPT. |
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| 18:53.37 | jjb123 | then what would I do about them |
| 18:53.45 | daxal | are they there? |
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| 18:54.21 | jjb123 | one sec, let me check |
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| 18:55.04 | deadcat | whats the program taht allows you to make a diagram with images? like network images and workstations |
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| 18:55.30 | simonrvn | dia i think |
| 18:55.35 | deadcat | simonrvn: cool. |
| 18:55.38 | m0p | If I'm using a Pentium 4, is it possible to optimize a binary for another CPU, say, an Athlon XP |
| 18:55.39 | jasoncohen | after installing kernel 2.6.11 i get the errror "default couldn't be loaded- no file or directory) when i start KDE. this causes all sounds to go the null output. |
| 18:55.49 | jasoncohen | any idea what's causing this or how to fix it? |
| 18:56.07 | deadcat | m0p: try gentoo |
| 18:56.15 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: arts, oss, alsa or esound? ;o) |
| 18:56.18 | PerfDave | m0p: Yes, you can cross-compile with gcc |
| 18:56.22 | simonrvn | i'd compile it generically |
| 18:56.24 | m0p | that wasn't a helpful answer, deadcat :P |
| 18:56.27 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, not sure, i chose the default |
| 18:56.29 | jasoncohen | i'll check |
| 18:56.34 | m0p | perfdave, ok |
| 18:56.37 | PerfDave | m0p: There's not a lot of point, you might as well just compile something that'll run on anything. |
| 18:56.48 | daxal | m0p: use the lowest common denominator |
| 18:56.50 | jasoncohen | actually it says "device:default can't be opened for playback ( no such file for directory) |
| 18:57.11 | m0p | I'm trying to make a ton of optimized fx builds. I have done a generic one already. Now for CPU specific ones. |
| 18:57.13 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, how do i reconfigure the sound? |
| 18:57.42 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: again, which part of it are you trying to configure, and which modules are you using? |
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| 18:58.14 | PerfDave | m0p: "fx builds"? |
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| 18:58.17 | m0p | Firefox |
| 18:58.23 | PerfDave | m0p: Why? |
| 18:58.30 | jasoncohen | i have an sblive audio card, so i would be using the emu10k1 drivers i think, and i want to change the sound server so i can get sound back. I chose the "default" before while installing |
| 18:58.32 | daxal | just because apparently |
| 18:58.39 | m0p | no real reason, just got bored |
| 18:58.47 | daxal | omg, I called it |
| 18:58.54 | jasoncohen | and 2.6.11 says it can't find device "default" so it probably just needs to be reconfigured |
| 18:58.57 | PerfDave | m0p: Bit pointless really, if you want to burn CPU cycles at least play with one of the distributed computing projects ;) |
| 18:59.08 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: i guess you are using alsa drivers then. did you install any alsa software? |
| 18:59.20 | m0p | I tried D2OL and it wouldn't even run cause the installer is java based. |
| 18:59.24 | daxal | PerfDave: I think he's talking about m0pcycles, not cpucycles :) |
| 18:59.29 | m0p | lol! |
| 18:59.40 | PerfDave | Well, java schmava ;) |
| 18:59.44 | jjb123 | daxal: nothing even happens when I do iptables-save |
| 18:59.49 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, i did a clone of my previous system and sound worked fine. i think installed kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 and rebooted and now i'm getting this error |
| 18:59.52 | m0p | m0pcycles as in, time wasting cycles? yep, thats it, lol. |
| 19:00.03 | daxal | jjb123: then you have no rules. which is good, for this case. |
| 19:00.13 | jjb123 | ok, now what |
| 19:00.23 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: as root, run alsaconf if you can |
| 19:00.34 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: in a terminal of some sort |
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| 19:01.08 | jjb123 | daxal? |
| 19:01.20 | daxal | jjb123? |
| 19:01.21 | PerfDave | m0p: Man, download Enemy Territory, it's free and runs on Linux, great way to waste time ;) |
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| 19:01.23 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, it configured properly |
| 19:01.36 | jasoncohen | ok, now i have sound |
| 19:01.38 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: now, again as root, run alsamixer |
| 19:01.38 | jjb123 | what do you think I should do |
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| 19:01.55 | kotzbrocken | jjb123: chech the output of 'ifconfig -a' to see if the network interface you tried to reach is up |
| 19:02.00 | m0p | meh, I used to play the old RTCW MP |
| 19:02.12 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: crank up da volume and power up xmms :D |
| 19:02.12 | m0p | haven't tried RTCW:ET yet though |
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| 19:02.19 | daxal | jjb123: mm you could try tcptraceroute from the workstation |
| 19:02.20 | m0p | perfdave, gimme a url |
| 19:02.20 | jjb123 | itm is up |
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| 19:02.28 | PerfDave | m0p: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ ;p |
| 19:02.30 | jjb123 | ok I will try |
| 19:02.35 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, juk actually but thanks! |
| 19:02.43 | PerfDave | m0p: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969/ for the BitTorrent tracker |
| 19:02.46 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: anything goes :) |
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| 19:03.08 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, what would have caused that problem? |
| 19:03.38 | daxal | m0p: www.tubgirl.com and no, it's not a rubber ducky! |
| 19:03.48 | Rawplayer | www.unixsex.com |
| 19:03.49 | Rawplayer | hf ;) |
| 19:03.52 | kotzbrocken | jjb123: check 'telnet <your ip> 80' |
| 19:03.54 | `909` | hi... will the Debian release 3.5 work on my hardware? (Pentium 4 2.8ghz Prescott with hyper threading). |
| 19:03.55 | Rawplayer | kinda fun though |
| 19:03.57 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: modules not loaded right? |
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| 19:04.11 | PerfDave | `909`: There is no Debian release 3.5 |
| 19:04.25 | daxal | `909`: it will when it's released. :) |
| 19:04.26 | PerfDave | `909`: Debian 3.0 and the forthcoming 3.1 will both work on your hardware, from what you've told us. |
| 19:04.35 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, will it work now when i reboot? |
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| 19:04.40 | PerfDave | daxal: Assuming we don't go from 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 or 3.4 to 4.0 :) |
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| 19:04.46 | `909` | oh i meant the latest stable (3.0 release 5) |
| 19:04.50 | `909` | *shy* |
| 19:04.52 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: i hope so, if not, we can make it.. give it a reboot and find out :) |
| 19:05.10 | PerfDave | `909`: Yes, 3.0r5 will run on your hardware. However, you might be better off running 3.1. |
| 19:05.12 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, i was asking before about the dpkg configure script that asks which soundserver you want to use |
| 19:05.14 | jasoncohen | what's that called? |
| 19:05.27 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: arts? esound? |
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| 19:05.37 | PerfDave | `909`: 3.1 isn't officially released yet, and doesn't have a fully operational security structure. But it'll be out at the end of the month, and has much more recent software. |
| 19:05.39 | c00k | can I upgrade to sarge using apt-get ? |
| 19:05.43 | PerfDave | c00k: No |
| 19:05.51 | streuner | heh |
| 19:05.57 | PerfDave | c00k: You can upgrade to Sarge using aptitude. Read the Sarge release notes. |
| 19:06.04 | c00k | ok |
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| 19:06.12 | `909` | will the latest stable `see` 2 processors of the prescott? |
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| 19:06.19 | Nielsen | PerfDave: it is possible, just edit sources.list ;) |
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| 19:06.22 | PerfDave | `909`: If you install a multithreaded kernel, yes. |
| 19:06.24 | c00k | someone sent me a message about that yesterday but I thought they were making fun of me |
| 19:06.25 | PerfDave | Nielsen: No |
| 19:06.31 | Nielsen | PerfDave: worked for me |
| 19:06.40 | PerfDave | Nielsen: Great. Not guaranteed to work for everyone. |
| 19:07.03 | daxal | PerfDave: but aren't kernels multithreaded in the first place? :) you must mean smp or somesuch |
| 19:07.13 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, no, it's not arts or esound |
| 19:07.14 | `909` | i guess i need to dload the kernel spearately... or is it bundeled on oone of the 7 cds? |
| 19:07.22 | Nielsen | PerfDave: changing sources.list to get stable/testing/unstable and the apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade is my easy way to go |
| 19:07.38 | m0p | ahh downloading enemy territory now. |
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| 19:07.42 | PerfDave | daxal: Yes, sorry, I mean multithreaded. |
| 19:07.46 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: uhm ... dunno then |
| 19:07.55 | PerfDave | Nielsen: Except that's not guaranteed to work. It will break if you have >1024 packages to upgrade. |
| 19:07.56 | daxal | `909`: you really only need the installer cd, then apt-get stuff on demand. I'd use kernel-package to roll your own. at worst, you'll use 1cpu while doing that, but it'll be ok. |
| 19:07.57 | m0p | jolt.co.uk is so slow, only 186k/sec :( |
| 19:08.07 | PerfDave | m0p: Download it over bittorrent, you wuss :) |
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| 19:08.12 | green_earz | hi all this is a bit of topic but never mind, if i dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdx hard drive and dd the mdr 512 that drive would be clean it ? and it would be a way it will test the hard drive for quality ?. this is about put sarge on reclaimed office machines. for ebay |
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| 19:08.27 | Nielsen | PerfDave: true - i changed one line to unstable and then installed apt and dpkg first |
| 19:08.28 | `909` | ok guys thx for the support |
| 19:08.28 | m0p | I can't get bitorrent working. It times out connecting to a tracker |
| 19:08.29 | deadcat | if i have this: http://sshonly.sytes.net/localnet.png do i need net or bridge? |
| 19:08.29 | PerfDave | green_earz: Define "clean" |
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| 19:08.39 | m0p | (I've tried several "working" trackers to no avail) |
| 19:08.45 | PerfDave | green_earz: Who are you trying to protect against? |
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| 19:09.16 | bbrazil | green_earz: wipe /dev/hdx |
| 19:09.25 | PerfDave | green_earz: dding /dev/zero over a whole drive is probably "good enough" for most people, but it won't stop a determined attacker with reasonably low-end equipment from recovering data from your drive. |
| 19:09.30 | glick | excuse me, i did dpkg --purge a package name but when i do dpkg -l it still shows up except it has a pi infront of it instead of an ii |
| 19:09.35 | glick | how do i remove it? |
| 19:09.45 | PerfDave | green_earz: What do you think the "p" means? |
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| 19:09.47 | bbrazil | green_earz: there's also shred |
| 19:09.47 | PerfDave | ARgh |
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| 19:09.50 | simonrvn | deadcat: "net or bridge"? |
| 19:09.51 | PerfDave | glick: What do you think the "p" means? |
| 19:09.55 | m0p | green_earz: why not try low-level formatting? |
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| 19:09.57 | Nielsen | glick: apt-get --purge remove package |
| 19:09.58 | glick | PerfDave, purge |
| 19:10.06 | PerfDave | glick: Bingo |
| 19:10.08 | deadcat | simonrvn: nat or brdge |
| 19:10.21 | simonrvn | i'd just nat it |
| 19:10.27 | Space_NL | hi all, i got a question, i chrooted al ftp users in their homedir .. can i either except 1 users from being chrooted, or als make a user with /var/www as homedir ? |
| 19:10.28 | deadcat | simonrvn: i want .47 to ping .23 |
| 19:10.34 | glick | pi kernel-image-2 2.6.8-13 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro |
| 19:10.38 | glick | thats what shows up |
| 19:10.41 | m0p | damn, anyone know any decent free webhosts which will allow large bzips? |
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| 19:10.43 | glick | when i do dpkg -l |
| 19:10.51 | joris | Space_NL: what ftp daemon are you using? |
| 19:11.04 | simonrvn | hook up a switch in the middle of that ;p |
| 19:11.06 | Space_NL | joris: sorry, proftpd. |
| 19:11.29 | bbrazil | deadcat: I'd say a bridge (proxy-arp), unless you make the wired/wireless two seperate subnets and route it |
| 19:11.29 | green_earz | PerfDave: but is there a app that with low level the drives ? i know i should google but ? |
| 19:11.32 | joris | Space_NL: I'm only familiar with vsftpd, it's possible with vs, but I don't know about proftpd |
| 19:11.37 | deadcat | simonrvn: no switch. all machines and a router |
| 19:12.03 | green_earz | PerfDave: sorry wrong one |
| 19:12.09 | Space_NL | joris: thnx anyways (well, installed proftpd back in 99 orso .. never switched server so far .. so dont know of any other choices .. lol) |
| 19:12.10 | deadcat | bbrazil: i want them to be in same network. so my nfs is not that confusing. (= |
| 19:12.15 | abrotman | green_earz: dban.sf.net |
| 19:12.22 | PerfDave | green_earz: Uhm, dding /dev/zero over the drive *is* a low-level format. You can use things like shred to repeatedly write random data to the drive, but it still won't protect you against a sufficiently well equipped attacker. Probably good enough for eBay though. |
| 19:12.47 | bbrazil | deadcat: nfs is above layer 3, it won't be affected by anything below that |
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| 19:13.18 | glick | dpkg -l seems to cut off the name |
| 19:13.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching seems to cut off the name |
| 19:13.23 | deadcat | bbrazil: the thing is that when i surf with laptop. its wireless with same ip. when i transfer data from .69. i want to use eth0 with same ip. |
| 19:13.23 | glick | how can i see the entire name of the package |
| 19:13.28 | PerfDave | glick: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
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| 19:13.33 | jonkri | why can i mail to jonkri@domain1.com but not jonkri@domain2.com when the two domains points to the same server? (debian and exim) please help! |
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| 19:13.53 | abrotman | exim isn't set to recieve for domain2 |
| 19:14.03 | bbrazil | deadcat: ?? |
| 19:14.03 | PerfDave | jonkri: Uhm, is this a problem with your outgoing mail, or your incoming mail? |
| 19:14.14 | PerfDave | jonkri: Either way, have you checked your exim logs? |
| 19:14.27 | r3m | To generate GTK+ project using libglade i take glademm instead of glade? |
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| 19:14.30 | glick | thanks |
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| 19:14.54 | jonkri | PerfDave well, incomming... jonkri doesn't recieve them. i have checked the logs, but maybe i've missed something |
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| 19:14.57 | deadcat | bbrazil: laptop is wireless when i just ssh or internet. but when i want file transfering. i want wired for the laptop and still able to use internet. using same ip of course |
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| 19:15.02 | marooned | wassup |
| 19:15.06 | Trojan | öôÿÿãç |
| 19:15.13 | Trojan | òû ýòî ÷èòàåøü? |
| 19:15.17 | Trojan | wazzup |
| 19:15.21 | marooned | àãà |
| 19:15.26 | PerfDave | jonkri: Do the MX records for domain2.com point at your box? |
| 19:15.26 | jonkri | abrotman i've inserted the domain in exim.conf, where else? |
| 19:15.28 | nnoiF | help! ;-) I just had to reboot (kernel died) and now I cant start X any longer, because /dev/input/ is totally missing! What could be the cause for this?? |
| 19:15.30 | Trojan | à ÷¸ òóò òàê ìíîãî íàðîäó? |
| 19:15.30 | Space_NL | but, no die-hard proftpd fans here that know how to except 1 user from being chrooted in their homedir ? |
| 19:15.33 | Trojan | è âñå äçåíû? |
| 19:15.37 | marooned | òîê äàâàé íå ôëåéìèòü à òî ìíå åùî ïðî ìîäåì íàäà ñïðîñèòü |
| 19:15.38 | abrotman | Trojan: english please |
| 19:15.41 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 19:15.42 | Trojan | îê |
| 19:15.44 | abrotman | never mind |
| 19:15.44 | PerfDave | nnoiF: Did you reboot into a different kernel? |
| 19:15.46 | jonkri | PerfDave i don't know. i only know that the ip points there |
| 19:15.53 | PerfDave | What's that extended ascii stuff? |
| 19:15.56 | marooned | íàðîäó äîïèñäû |
| 19:15.57 | nnoiF | PerfDave: nope, my usual 2.6.11 |
| 19:16.00 | PerfDave | jonkri: What do you mean, "the IP points there"? |
| 19:16.04 | simonrvn | please use a western european charset |
| 19:16.10 | simonrvn | (sorry) |
| 19:16.14 | PerfDave | Trojan: *plonk* |
| 19:16.16 | Trojan | marooned use your English PeDr classes knowledges.. |
| 19:16.18 | marooned | eps |
| 19:16.20 | jonkri | perfdave host lists.dedikerad.se |
| 19:16.22 | marooned | im sorry |
| 19:16.36 | PerfDave | jonkri: Is that the domain that's working, or the domain that isn/t |
| 19:16.41 | marooned | my chinese encoding ist usable here as i see=( |
| 19:16.48 | jonkri | PerfDave isn't |
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| 19:16.51 | green_earz | PerfDave: thanks for that, the project is i am checking out the idear of reclaiming old office machines with sarge. sell on ebay and that could give some peaple a intro in the debian world at very low cost. postage would the issue but the right carriar. and i check out the link thanks |
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| 19:16.54 | foo | Trojan: Heh, funny. |
| 19:16.58 | PerfDave | jonkri: What's the domain that is working? |
| 19:17.01 | Space_NL | marooned: it works for anybody who has it installed on their pc |
| 19:17.04 | jonkri | PerfDave devmodul.com |
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| 19:17.23 | PerfDave | green_earz: I'm looking into the same, but not to make a profit. I'm trying to give away our old office machines to community projects. |
| 19:17.30 | Trojan | foo: what's funny exactly? |
| 19:17.31 | bbrazil | deadcat: I think proxy-arp |
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| 19:17.41 | foo | Trojan: You. heh |
| 19:17.41 | simonrvn | i have a howto to write, in two languages |
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| 19:17.51 | bbrazil | deadcat: just make sure your default route is right |
| 19:17.54 | abrotman | green_earz: if you want to clean the drive first .. try dban.sf.net |
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| 19:18.06 | deadcat | bbrazil: ok |
| 19:18.20 | jasoncohen | is there anything i can do about module undefined errors? |
| 19:18.30 | PerfDave | jonkri: Well, lists.dedikerad.se and www.dedikerad.se have no MX records, so they should fall back to the A records, which is pointing to the box. |
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| 19:18.40 | jasoncohen | when i compile ivtv on 2.6.11 i get a bunch of these errors |
| 19:18.42 | jonkri | PerfDave that's what i thought |
| 19:18.46 | Trojan | foo: me? |
| 19:18.48 | PerfDave | jonkri: So in theory the mail should be being delivered to your server. |
| 19:18.51 | jonkri | PerfDave i have missed something. lists.dedikerad.se is in /etc/hosts |
| 19:19.00 | abrotman | zinx: not really |
| 19:19.07 | jonkri | PerfDave this is the error i get: Fjärr-MTA lists.dedikerad.se: SMTP-diagnostik: 550 relaying to <jon@lists.dedikerad.se> prohibited by administrator |
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| 19:19.11 | PerfDave | jonkri: Uhm, /etc/hosts won't work |
| 19:19.22 | jonkri | PerfDave no, but it should be there as well, right? |
| 19:19.22 | zinx | arbotman: ok. how do you recover data which has been written over with zeros, without dismantling the drive? |
| 19:19.24 | PerfDave | jonkri: Your MTA won't pay any attention to /etc/hosts |
| 19:19.29 | abrotman | maybe exim isn't configured for domain2 ? |
| 19:19.30 | PerfDave | jonkri: No, just have it in public DNS |
| 19:19.35 | jonkri | PerfDave i have that |
| 19:19.40 | PerfDave | jonkri: Your mail server is not configured to accept mail for that domain |
| 19:20.01 | jonkri | PerfDave but it should be! it accepts mail when i send to the other domain |
| 19:20.05 | js_ | is it possible to get rid of the mouse cursor in X? |
| 19:20.13 | PerfDave | jonkri: Yes, because it's configured to accept mail for that domain!!! |
| 19:20.14 | jonkri | PerfDave ah, accept mail FOR, i thought you wrote FROM |
| 19:20.28 | zinx | js_: hide it, or set it to something invisible |
| 19:20.46 | jonkri | PerfDave i've searched through the exim config, and everywhere devmodul.com is typed, lists.dedikerad.se is |
| 19:20.50 | js_ | zinx: how can i set it to something else? |
| 19:20.51 | marooned | áåñïåñä³ íèèïàöà å òóò ææåøíèêè íèâðîò?) |
| 19:20.57 | Trojan | íåìà |
| 19:20.59 | Trojan | êàêèå ææîøíèêè |
| 19:21.03 | Trojan | àäíè äçåíû |
| 19:21.04 | zinx | js_: using cursor themes or xsetroot |
| 19:21.06 | Trojan | ñèäÿò è çàãÿòû |
| 19:21.08 | jonkri | PerfDave /etc/init.d/exim restart is the way to restart the server right? ;) |
| 19:21.10 | Trojan | çàíÿòû |
| 19:21.10 | jonkri | Trojan ? |
| 19:21.11 | abrotman | Trojan: english |
| 19:21.16 | js_ | zinx: thanks |
| 19:21.16 | Trojan | why? |
| 19:21.20 | PerfDave | jonkri: You've obviously got something wrong. It should be easy to do with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:21.23 | abrotman | because .. this is an english channel |
| 19:21.31 | Trojan | where it's written? |
| 19:21.34 | jonkri | PerfDave ok, yeah, you're right |
| 19:21.37 | marooned | LOL |
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| 19:22.02 | marooned | trojan go away plz |
| 19:22.13 | Trojan | why marooned? |
| 19:22.14 | marooned | you are russish mudak |
| 19:22.18 | Trojan | mudak? |
| 19:22.20 | marooned | =) |
| 19:22.22 | Trojan | what does that mean? |
| 19:22.30 | gnupg | How do tell amavisd-new to NOT check mails that have already been checked? |
| 19:22.35 | Trojan | I though here is 1 mudak only |
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| 19:22.40 | Trojan | and that' YOU |
| 19:22.57 | jonkri | PerfDave /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is not fully installed |
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| 19:23.06 | PerfDave | jonkri: Are you running Woody or Sarge? |
| 19:23.10 | jonkri | PerfDave woody |
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| 19:24.12 | Trojan | marooned, does your mom know that you are ÄÀËÁÀ¸Á? |
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| 19:24.22 | PerfDave | jonkri: Ah, then /sbin/eximconfig |
| 19:24.35 | marooned | can someone use Lucent modem in Sarge build of 23.04.2005 |
| 19:24.37 | jonkri | PerfDave thanks a million |
| 19:24.46 | marooned | couse i'm getting errors |
| 19:24.51 | marooned | with pppd |
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| 19:24.59 | abrotman | !winmodem |
| 19:24.59 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark |
| 19:25.01 | marooned | died enexpectedly=( |
| 19:25.01 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, i'm still getting that default not found error |
| 19:25.06 | jasoncohen | i need to re-run that config script |
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| 19:25.34 | marooned | abrotman: so what? |
| 19:25.34 | codecaine | Anyone in here familiar with Amavis-New? |
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| 19:25.41 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: hmm odd... what version of alsa and alsaconf is it? |
| 19:25.44 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. google then .. |
| 19:25.50 | jasoncohen | 1.0.8 |
| 19:25.59 | marooned | evrething was fine in mandrake 10.1 |
| 19:26.18 | PaloDeQueso | Can someone check out these error messages I get when trying to start Azureus?? >> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/emJ4js95.html |
| 19:26.21 | glick | excuse me, this may seem trivial, but its important to me...does anyone know why my boot up penguin looks shitty no matter what vga resolution option i pass to the kernel? i have a nvidia card |
| 19:26.26 | Trojan | marooned watch your spelling... |
| 19:26.29 | marooned | as i see noone uses such a device |
| 19:26.33 | PerfDave | glick: Are you running Debian? |
| 19:26.38 | green_earz | PerfDave: but to low level a drive is that dependent on a low level software from the maker of the drive ?. or is there a low level gnu tool out there that would be universal on hard drives. a donation to dedian from the ebay sales could be worked out. idears. |
| 19:26.40 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: did it update your modutils files? (last thing it asks for) |
| 19:26.41 | marooned | 2trojan FO |
| 19:26.45 | glick | PerfDave, yes |
| 19:26.50 | PerfDave | glick: And not Knoppix? |
| 19:26.50 | Trojan | 2marroned FYS |
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| 19:26.56 | Space_NL | glick. all i can add is that my tux-with-beer is in 4 color purple too |
| 19:26.57 | glick | PerfDave, yes debian |
| 19:27.05 | PerfDave | glick: How have you got a "boot up penguin" in Debian? |
| 19:27.06 | glick | Space_NL, hmm why is that |
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| 19:27.32 | Trojan | as you see marooned, all are VERY interested to help you |
| 19:27.33 | glick | PerfDave, i compiled my kernel with frame buffer support and passed a resolution option to the kernel in menu.lst |
| 19:27.42 | Space_NL | glick: i dont know, i just said i have the same problem .. but it never bothered me, since i almost never boot up a machine .. i just let em run for long times |
| 19:27.47 | Matalo | was somebody installing flash plugin on amd64 debian ?? |
| 19:27.48 | PerfDave | glick: And how does that give you a "boot up penguin"? |
| 19:27.54 | PerfDave | Matalo: #debian-amd64 |
| 19:27.57 | abrotman | Matalo: iirc .. no flash for amd64 |
| 19:27.59 | glick | PerfDave, its in the kernel |
| 19:28.03 | jasoncohen | Nielsen, not sure, i can go through again but there's another configure script where i set the option "default" |
| 19:28.06 | jasoncohen | that's what i need to change |
| 19:28.09 | PerfDave | green_earz: AFAIK, a low level format is just one that does something with every sector on the hard disk, rather than just deleting the partition table. |
| 19:28.26 | Space_NL | PerfDave: while the boot parameters flash by, tux is sitting on the top left .. a small picture off him |
| 19:28.33 | resiak | PerfDave: I've seen the penguin (one per CPU) on stock kernels with appropriate framebuffer stuffs. |
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| 19:28.50 | PerfDave | Fair enough. They didn't have them back when I had a framebuffer ;) |
| 19:28.52 | glick | i just dont get why the color is fucked up |
| 19:28.55 | PaloDeQueso | Can someone check out these error messages I get when trying to start Azureus?? >> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/emJ4js95.html |
| 19:28.57 | PerfDave | But then, that was back when I was using potato. |
| 19:29.06 | jasoncohen | it modifies modprobe.d, not modutils |
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| 19:29.26 | jonkri | PerfDave do i want to relay mail for any domains? |
| 19:29.28 | PerfDave | green_earz: man shred |
| 19:29.31 | jonkri | PerfDave i don't know that |
| 19:29.34 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base ? |
| 19:29.36 | PerfDave | jonkri: If you have to ask, you don't ;) |
| 19:29.36 | abrotman | PaloDeQueso: #java doesn't know ? |
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| 19:29.44 | PaloDeQueso | oh... |
| 19:29.46 | PaloDeQueso | sorry |
| 19:29.48 | PerfDave | jonkri: You only want to relay mails for domains if you're a *secondary* MX |
| 19:29.48 | abrotman | PaloDeQueso: is that a debian system ? |
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| 19:29.57 | PaloDeQueso | ubuntu actually. |
| 19:30.02 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 19:30.02 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 19:30.04 | PerfDave | PaloDeQueso: #ubuntu |
| 19:30.04 | jonkri | PerfDave i see. Are there any networks of local machines you want to relay mail for? |
| 19:30.13 | jonkri | PerfDave no? |
| 19:30.15 | abrotman | resiak: you have one for beer? |
| 19:30.35 | PerfDave | jonkri: Probably not. If you're running a mailserver on a LAN, you might want to accept mail from that LAN. |
| 19:30.35 | Nielsen | jasoncohen: it might also be your asoundrc file that is slightly screwed |
| 19:30.37 | PaloDeQueso | I tried the ubuntu channel :( |
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| 19:30.51 | Space_NL | abrotman: or 1 for brewing coffee .. also important |
| 19:30.53 | PerfDave | PaloDeQueso: Try again. You're not running Debian. This IRC channel is for Debian. |
| 19:31.03 | PerfDave | PaloDeQueso: Or just install Debian ;) |
| 19:31.10 | nnoiF | so any more ideas how I could me /dev/input back? |
| 19:31.12 | Nielsen | PerfDave: apt-get install debian :D |
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| 19:31.14 | resiak | Right, I've grepped man ssh fairly thoroughly and I can't find an answer. I want console apps to be able to set the titlebar of my urxvts over ssh. It all works locally, but as soon as ssh gets involved ... no dice. An answer in the form of a string to look for in man ssh would be grand :) |
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| 19:31.24 | resiak | abrotman: No. |
| 19:31.31 | resiak | PaloDeQueso: And your point is? |
| 19:31.35 | PerfDave | nnoiF: mkdir /dev/input |
| 19:31.35 | abrotman | Space_NL: no way |
| 19:31.36 | PaloDeQueso | I was running debian but ubuntu looked cool, so I decided to give it a try. |
| 19:31.43 | Space_NL | abrotman: not ? |
| 19:31.44 | PaloDeQueso | Sorry for bothering this channel |
| 19:31.47 | abrotman | PaloDeQueso: then ask #ubuntu :) |
| 19:31.52 | PaloDeQueso | I did. |
| 19:31.53 | abrotman | Space_NL: not for me :) |
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| 19:31.59 | abrotman | !they don't know |
| 19:31.59 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:32.16 | Space_NL | abrotman: hey, dont make YOUR problems MY problems will you ? |
| 19:32.20 | nnoiF | was bringt mir das jetzt? |
| 19:32.24 | green_earz | PerfDave: thanks again so dd if = /dev/zero of = /dev/hdx bs = 512 count = 1 and then dd hdx and that as good as clean ? |
| 19:32.26 | nnoiF | oops, wrong win |
| 19:32.28 | PaloDeQueso | I'm not molesting, I asked a simple question, I'm sorry for bother you, holy shit you guys are touchy. |
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| 19:32.38 | justin | resiak: doubt it has anything to do with ssh. |
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| 19:32.47 | PerfDave | green_earz: It may be good enough for most purposes. Personally, I'd use shred on /dev/hdx |
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| 19:32.51 | abrotman | someone touch me |
| 19:32.55 | Nielsen | resiak: i think you need PROMPT_COMMAND |
| 19:32.58 | abrotman | Space_NL: i don't like coffree |
| 19:32.59 | resiak | justin: Well, it does, because it works locally on both this computer and the computer I'm sshing to. |
| 19:33.01 | abrotman | coffee |
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| 19:33.09 | nnoiF | PerfDave: I guess thats not a good idea and something with udev is wrong. |
| 19:33.20 | PerfDave | nnoiF: Oh, you're using udev? All bets are off ;)_ |
| 19:33.32 | nnoiF | PerfDave: well, i dont, but debian does. |
| 19:33.47 | PerfDave | nnoiF: Uhm, no it doesn't. |
| 19:33.49 | Nielsen | resiak: export PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007"' |
| 19:33.52 | PerfDave | nnoiF: Not unless you install it. |
| 19:33.55 | Space_NL | abrotman: figures .. but i will drink youre coffee then, is that oke ? |
| 19:33.57 | resiak | Nielsen: Isn't that to specify a command to be run whenever the prompt is displayed? Is the escape sequence different over SSH? |
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| 19:34.25 | Nielsen | resiak: some terminals (like putty) needs one in order to show the title |
| 19:34.30 | nnoiF | PerfDave: it obviously got installed with something else some time ago. I would remember if I installed it willfully |
| 19:34.43 | jonkri | PerfDave it still doesn't work, and i included the lists.dedikerad.se domain in the config wizard |
| 19:34.45 | Space_NL | but .. i guess i go for icecream now .. and try again tommorow for my debian troubles :-) |
| 19:34.49 | PerfDave | nnoiF: Obviously. |
| 19:34.55 | MobyTurbo | whoever invented udev and devfs are up against the wall when the revolution comes |
| 19:34.59 | PerfDave | jonkri: Hmm, I'm stumped then. Try asking #exim |
| 19:35.08 | nnoiF | looks like some GNOME stuff depends on hal and hal depends on udev. So there. |
| 19:35.21 | glick | has anyone here used Qingy? |
| 19:35.22 | PerfDave | nnoiF: That's what you get for using Gnome ;) |
| 19:35.31 | jonkri | PerfDave you're sure you don't have another clue? if it's not exim.conf, what can it be= |
| 19:35.35 | resiak | Nielsen: ...I'm using urxvt, as I've already said. That doesn't help for making it work over ssh. It already works locally, as I said. |
| 19:35.36 | abrotman | Space_NL: fine .. |
| 19:35.41 | KoopaPoopa | is it possible to get debian to play WMV files? |
| 19:35.47 | resiak | !tell KoopaPoopa -about marillat |
| 19:35.48 | Anders1 | KoopaPoopa: yes |
| 19:35.51 | nnoiF | PerfDave: yeah. it sucks since 2.0 . I hate it. But I like KDE even less. |
| 19:35.53 | KoopaPoopa | or at least convert them to something decent? |
| 19:35.54 | PerfDave | KoopaPoopa: With w32codecs from marillat, "probably" |
| 19:36.02 | Anders1 | nnoiF: xfce? |
| 19:36.07 | PerfDave | nnoiF: So use something that isn't Gnome or KDE? :) |
| 19:36.08 | Nielsen | resiak: ok then it must be a urxvt issue. have you tried with xterm -e ssh user@host ? |
| 19:36.11 | KoopaPoopa | thankyou! |
| 19:36.38 | resiak | nnoiF: You can remove udev and hal and gnome-volume-manager and the rest of Gnome still works just fine. It breaks automounting and running of media. |
| 19:36.39 | nnoiF | Anders1: does have xfce have floating panels with autohide so I have them outta the way when I dont use them? |
| 19:36.52 | Anders1 | nnoiF: yes |
| 19:36.53 | PerfDave | jonkri: Sorry, the stuff I've told you has always worked for me. Either that's not your problem, or you've cocked something up. Try asking the debian-exim mailing list. |
| 19:37.10 | chealer | !tell KoopaPoopa about wmv |
| 19:37.15 | jonkri | PerfDave thank you very much for your help |
| 19:37.20 | resiak | Nielsen: _Very_ interesting -- that works. :-/ |
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| 19:37.48 | Nielsen | resiak: as i said, its a urxvt issue .. rtfm? |
| 19:38.00 | PerfDave | jonkri: No worries. The debian-exim list is the place to go, anywhere else will tell you to upgrade to exim4. |
| 19:38.17 | jonkri | PerfDave hehe :) |
| 19:38.32 | resiak | Nielsen: *nods* I've RTFMed repeatedly in order to make it work locally, and I didn't see anything else that could be done. I'll re-check. |
| 19:38.46 | nnoiF | aint all that hal/udev stuff supposed to work, though? After all its there some time now any many people seem to be using it? |
| 19:39.16 | resiak | nnoiF: It WORKSFORME(TM). |
| 19:39.26 | PerfDave | nnoiF: I'm sure udev works for lots of people. I personally have no truck with it. |
| 19:39.36 | Anders1 | what's the problem with udev...? |
| 19:39.41 | jonkri | PerfDave you say i don't have to relay, but what does "Fjärr-MTA lists.dedikerad.se: SMTP-diagnostik: 550 relaying to <jon@lists.dedikerad.se> prohibited by administrator" mean? (the reply i get) |
| 19:39.52 | jonkri | PerfDave that my smtp server can't relay to lists.dedikerad.se? |
| 19:39.55 | nnoiF | Anders1: I dont have /dev/input right now. And no X for that reason |
| 19:40.11 | nnoiF | Anders1: and no clue what to do about it |
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| 19:41.28 | PerfDave | jonkri: It means that your mail server is not accepting mail for that domain, so it's assuming that the mail client is trying to relay mail through it, and it's not relaying. |
| 19:41.35 | PerfDave | jonkri: Relaying is for *remote* domains, not local ones. |
| 19:41.38 | Xinux | nobody listen to me |
| 19:41.39 | resiak | nnoiF: modprobe mousedev ? |
| 19:41.39 | Xinux | >.< |
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| 19:41.55 | MobyTurbo | !ops Wolf is a pornspambot |
| 19:41.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Wolf is a pornspambot |
| 19:42.09 | resiak | Xinux: I don't see you having said anything. |
| 19:42.23 | Xinux | oops |
| 19:42.25 | Xinux | wrong channel |
| 19:42.25 | Xinux | lol |
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| 19:43.02 | Truc2Ouf | :) |
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| 19:44.05 | jetscreamer | !ops wolf onjoin spam |
| 19:44.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: wolf onjoin spam |
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| 19:44.33 | PerfDave | It's Sunday, there are rarely any ops around. |
| 19:44.47 | jetscreamer | !ops /me slaps sleeping ops |
| 19:44.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: /me slaps sleeping ops |
| 19:44.49 | tpr | im trying to apt-get mysqltcl, but the version is badly outdated there (2.30, while 3.01 is the newest), is this just how it is or am I not doing something right? |
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| 19:44.56 | jonkri | PerfDave you gonne kill me know, but what if i tell you that mailman is installed? |
| 19:45.07 | MobyTurbo | !sing sunday |
| 19:45.07 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 19:45.22 | jetscreamer | tarday! |
| 19:45.46 | green_earz | PerfDave: thanks again, by the look of it i could run shred from a debain install as 386. drop the drive on a box and shred the other drives. and shres as you point out is the one. because open and free. shred could allow the reclaining of good drive. that would other whys be hit with a hammer.. |
| 19:45.48 | chealer | tpr: did you check pdo? |
| 19:45.48 | PerfDave | In fact, of all the ops in the !ops, only four of them are even on channel to pay attention to !ops invocations. |
| 19:45.58 | tpr | chealer, specify please :> |
| 19:46.07 | chealer | !tell tpr about pdo |
| 19:46.08 | PerfDave | green_earz: You can probably find or make a Linux boot floppy with shred on it. |
| 19:46.12 | K_Dallas | is it /msg dpkg sound ? |
| 19:46.18 | PerfDave | green_earz: Try tomsrtbt as a starting place. |
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| 19:46.21 | tpr | googling :D |
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| 19:46.26 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 19:46.39 | PerfDave | jonkri: That should have nothing to do with it. Mailman happens *after* the MTA accepts mail. |
| 19:47.02 | doleyb | what usb webcam works good with sid? |
| 19:47.18 | PerfDave | "works well", FFS. |
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| 19:47.25 | jonkri | PerfDave what about this, dedikerad.se is in control by my web hotel. do you think that's why lists.dedikerad.se doesn't get through? |
| 19:47.37 | PerfDave | "web hotel"? |
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| 19:47.46 | jonkri | PerfDave another server |
| 19:47.58 | jonkri | PerfDave dedikerad.se is on another server than lists.dedikerad.se |
| 19:48.01 | doleyb | hotel hostel host? |
| 19:48.11 | jetscreamer | not host |
| 19:48.13 | PerfDave | jonkri: Uhm, mail for lists.dedikerad.se is reaching your server, you can see it in the logs. |
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| 19:48.22 | Spikbebi1 | Wolf thansk for the videotips but no thanks |
| 19:48.41 | jonkri | PerfDave what log? i've looked in the ones in /var/log/exim |
| 19:48.49 | PerfDave | jonkri: The log you quoted me. |
| 19:49.06 | jonkri | PerfDave no, that's the reply i get |
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| 19:49.29 | jonkri | PerfDave to my mail address that has nothing to do with this |
| 19:49.31 | PerfDave | jonkri: Or is the "550 relaying to <jon@lists.dedikerad.se> prohibited by administrator" not from the logs on the server? |
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| 19:49.36 | jonkri | PerfDave it's not |
| 19:49.41 | PerfDave | jonkri: Oh, FFS. |
| 19:49.43 | jonkri | PerfDave i'm sorry |
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| 19:49.45 | kullanici | checking lex output file root... ./configure: line 2422: lex: command not found |
| 19:49.45 | kullanici | configure: error: cannot find output from lex; giving up |
| 19:49.50 | kullanici | how can i install lex? |
| 19:50.00 | PerfDave | jonkri: I've got to go out now, I hope someone here or the debian-exim list can help you with your problem. |
| 19:50.10 | jonkri | PerfDave ok, thanks for your help |
| 19:50.13 | PerfDave | jonkri: Find out *which* system is rejecting your e-mail. |
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| 19:50.18 | jetscreamer | lol @ Spikbebi1 |
| 19:50.19 | tpr | chealer, it only shows me the older versions that i see with apt-get :( |
| 19:50.28 | jetscreamer | roflmao |
| 19:50.38 | tpr | I did take the source but had some difficulties with it |
| 19:50.39 | Solet-deb | !ops Wolf is a porno onjoin spammer |
| 19:50.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Wolf is a porno onjoin spammer |
| 19:50.50 | jetscreamer | Solet-deb: been there done that |
| 19:51.12 | jetscreamer | Solet-deb: but it can't hurt again eh :) |
| 19:51.15 | PerfDave | #debian clearly needs more ops. |
| 19:51.29 | jetscreamer | i volunteer streuner for ops |
| 19:51.39 | jetscreamer | or nominate |
| 19:51.39 | PerfDave | !last Netsnipe |
| 19:51.43 | Solet-deb | chatzilla is still a beta right? |
| 19:51.47 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:51.47 | PerfDave | !seen Netsnipe |
| 19:51.48 | dpkg | netsnipe <~netsnipe@c211-30-49-101.mirnd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 71d 6h 31m 56s ago, saying: 'hmm...I'll try a daily build instead.'. |
| 19:51.59 | PerfDave | !seen ljlane |
| 19:52.00 | dpkg | PerfDave: i haven't seen 'ljlane' |
| 19:52.10 | PerfDave | Hmm |
| 19:52.15 | PerfDave | Anyway, I'm going to return a DVD. |
| 19:53.02 | Solet-deb | !sound driver install |
| 19:53.23 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.23 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 19:53.24 | Solet-deb | damn... the bot doesnt know |
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| 19:53.31 | ronw_ | if i want to ask a newbie question regarding apt-get and the error is produces, where do i screen dump to for you guys to see? |
| 19:53.46 | jetscreamer | ronw_: that's paste in #flood or a pastebot |
| 19:53.52 | jetscreamer | !tell ronw_ about paste |
| 19:53.54 | chealer | tpr: that's because nothing newer is available in debian |
| 19:53.59 | ronw_ | thanks |
| 19:54.09 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 19:54.09 | dpkg | somebody said fix-unmet was run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 19:54.10 | tpr | chealer, I understand |
| 19:54.24 | tpr | chealer, thats what i wanted to hear, then ill try to make my way with the newer source |
| 19:54.24 | streuner | PerfDave: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 19:54.50 | CyL | is there ir any service running on port 26, or could I user for a particular service.... |
| 19:54.52 | Solet-deb | jetscreamer: : was that alsa-bork directed at me? |
| 19:55.15 | jetscreamer | Solet-deb: only if it's applicable :) |
| 19:55.28 | justin | !+factinfo fix-unmet |
| 19:55.28 | CyL | Is there any service running on port 26, or could I use it for a particular service.... |
| 19:55.28 | dpkg | fix-unmet -- created by jetscreamer <~jetscream@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> at Fri Jul 9 14:01:52 2004 (317 days); it has been requested 64 times, last by jetscreamer, 1m 19s ago. |
| 19:55.31 | Solet-deb | well shit i dont know if it is or not.... :( |
| 19:55.52 | ronw_ | i get an error when i try to apt-get update. fresh install i did like 4 months ago to this laptop. this is the first time ive had time to play with it |
| 19:55.54 | jetscreamer | it's a damn accurate factoid btw justin |
| 19:56.11 | Nielsen | ronw_: and the error is? |
| 19:56.14 | ronw_ | i pasted to #flood |
| 19:56.24 | streuner | asuffield: are you around? |
| 19:56.26 | Nielsen | ronw_: and the error is? MMap thing? |
| 19:56.34 | Solet-deb | is there a way i can test my sound? like sending a beep to it or something (note i'm talking real sound, not mb beep speaker) |
| 19:56.34 | ronw_ | ya |
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| 19:56.52 | ronw_ | Nielsen, ya |
| 19:56.55 | jetscreamer | cat /dev/dsp urandom or something similar to that |
| 19:57.01 | jetscreamer | i forget exactly |
| 19:57.03 | Nielsen | ronw_: edit your sources list and comment out all the lines 'cept one |
| 19:57.16 | ronw_ | Nielsen, ok |
| 19:57.17 | streuner | !ops Wolf is an on-join spambot |
| 19:57.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Wolf is an on-join spambot |
| 19:57.20 | Solet-deb | jetscreamer: is /dev/dsp my sound? |
| 19:57.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 19:57.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 19:57.30 | jonkri | this is the error i get on my server 2005-05-22 21:55:25 refused relay (host) to <jon@lists.dedikerad.se> from <jon.kristensen@dedikerad.se> H=lotus.glocalnet.net [213.163.128.201] |
| 19:57.30 | Nielsen | ronw_: old apt/dpkg has issues with over 1024 packages in the lists |
| 19:57.31 | helix | oh |
| 19:57.32 | Rez | hi helix ;) |
| 19:57.32 | helix | oh well |
| 19:57.34 | helix | hello |
| 19:57.35 | Solet-deb | streuner: we got it 3 times already :P |
| 19:57.36 | jonkri | should i relay that ip? |
| 19:58.23 | Nielsen | ronw_: so if you are using unstable, or testing, leave one of the lines and do a new update then reinstall apt and dpkg |
| 19:58.29 | streuner | hm, odd - mentioned its nick makes it to quit |
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| 19:59.21 | Solet-deb | dpkg needs a !onjoin <nick> trigger that when fired the bot hops for a second and if <nick> onjoin msg's him the bot bans <nick> for 3 hours. |
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| 19:59.41 | PerfDave | Solet-deb: Or preferably a different bot ;) |
| 19:59.52 | Solet-deb | perfDave: yeah... |
| 20:00.03 | Solet-deb | or maybe just a script run by an op or something |
| 20:00.17 | glick | hey does mallirat provide a qingy package? |
| 20:00.18 | green_earz | PerfDave: i just apt-cach saerch shred and its not there. i am looking for the gnu version of shred ??. |
| 20:00.29 | PerfDave | green_earz: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:00.37 | PerfDave | green_earz: It's in coreutils. man shred. |
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| 20:01.16 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U there? |
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| 20:01.21 | bztunk | !u |
| 20:01.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:01.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: whatu p |
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| 20:01.44 | green_earz | PerfDave: i must say it again thanks for your time |
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| 20:01.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I know the problem with the kernel... missing a root fs option when we built it... |
| 20:01.51 | PerfDave | green_earz: No worries :) |
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| 20:02.06 | green_earz | coreutils - The GNU core utilities |
| 20:02.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool. you fixed it? |
| 20:02.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How do I rebuild with that option? |
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| 20:02.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Errr... not yet ;) |
| 20:02.26 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: copy .config /tmp |
| 20:02.37 | deadcat | then do the rest |
| 20:02.53 | TwistedEmotions | copy command not found ;P |
| 20:02.54 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i mean. clean up then copy /tmp/.config backt o /usr/src/linux |
| 20:02.55 | lunaphyte | what is tcp/udp port 2026 'scrabble'? |
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| 20:03.05 | ronw_ | Nielsen, updating now...<fingers crossed> |
| 20:03.13 | justin | !tell lunaphyte about open ports |
| 20:03.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: that wasnt a command. that was english (= |
| 20:03.20 | TwistedEmotions | heh |
| 20:03.21 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 20:03.30 | Nielsen | ronw_: it'll work, dont worry |
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| 20:04.01 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i never have to set any root option in my .config |
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| 20:04.46 | TwistedEmotions | forget the command... |
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| 20:04.51 | TwistedEmotions | but I read it somewhere.. |
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| 20:05.06 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you mean mkinitrd? |
| 20:05.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah |
| 20:05.26 | DaRKZeRo | somebody know how set-up the apache to fix this problem: The requested method POST is not allowed for the URL... Somebody can help me? |
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| 20:05.32 | Nielsen | <RyanB> does debian have a gui... ? lol |
| 20:05.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: but for that kernel. i set initrd built into the kernel. |
| 20:05.43 | PerfDave | Nielsen: It has several :) |
| 20:06.05 | Nielsen | PerfDave: aye matey |
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| 20:06.11 | Nielsen | n00bs are fun |
| 20:06.14 | Solet-deb | can anyone tell me how to send test noise to my sound card to see if it works? |
| 20:06.26 | Xinux | Nielsen: You are gay? |
| 20:06.28 | deadcat | Solet-deb: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 20:06.39 | Nielsen | xidaux: not really .. im in a good mood though |
| 20:06.54 | Solet-deb | deadcat: thx... (that is safe sound right? nothing that will destroy my speakers?) |
| 20:07.02 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: maybe I dont know what the hell I am talking about then... just sais Kernel Panic- not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block |
| 20:07.03 | Nielsen | deadcat: why not /proc/kcore ? :D |
| 20:07.10 | jim | Xinux: so everyone's gay who doesn't agree with you? |
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| 20:07.23 | Xinux | jim: no, he said "n00bs are fun" |
| 20:07.30 | jim | so? |
| 20:07.33 | Solet-deb | !gay |
| 20:07.33 | Nielsen | Xinux: well they are |
| 20:07.33 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 20:07.38 | Xinux | jim: so I guess I just thought it in the wrong way |
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| 20:07.44 | deadcat | Nielsen: about the same (= |
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| 20:07.54 | Nielsen | deadcat: hehe |
| 20:08.08 | Xinux | Solet-deb: I wasn't using it as an offensive word, or describing something, I was asking if he was gay... |
| 20:08.08 | naoliv | Hi. How could I create a override file to linda, for this warning? W: biofox; File /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions/{fbfbf0bf-032e-427e-932d-0b000a34f168}/chrome/biofox.jar contained in /usr/lib of Architecture: all package. |
| 20:08.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: try mkinitrd then. but you have to rerun the dpkg-reconfigure bootsplasht though |
| 20:08.31 | jim | Xinux: to say the least. that can start a flamewar here... and doing that could reduce your welcome factor... I'm not anyone, and already I consider you unwelcome |
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| 20:08.58 | Nielsen | Xinux: what made you ask? |
| 20:08.59 | Solet-deb | xinux: he said something pretty fucked up, you made the assumption... |
| 20:09.16 | jim | Xinux: and it's off topic |
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| 20:09.23 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Will later.. |
| 20:09.27 | Xinux | lol |
| 20:09.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: middle of Kingdom of Heaven :) |
| 20:09.45 | Xinux | everybody; I have one thing to say; STFU |
| 20:09.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nice hehe. |
| 20:09.54 | deadcat | is STFU a university? (= |
| 20:09.55 | Nielsen | Xinux: /agree |
| 20:09.57 | jim | we'll ignore the fact that asking the question makes you a bigot |
| 20:10.17 | Solet-deb | deadcat: that command did nothing noisy at all.... what do you think my next step is (my sound card is 'onboard') |
| 20:10.24 | Solet-deb | ^5 jim |
| 20:10.28 | streuner | deadcat: San Frisco Technical Foo Uni ;-) |
| 20:10.32 | Xinux | wat makes me bigot |
| 20:10.32 | Xinux | ? |
| 20:10.39 | deadcat | streuner: hahaha |
| 20:10.46 | jim | if you dont' know, then you were raised to hate. |
| 20:10.54 | Xinux | why because i said "STFU" ? |
| 20:11.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I got the new star wars on the server.. |
| 20:11.05 | jim | you know what you said |
| 20:11.11 | Solet-deb | xinux: no because you're a homophobe |
| 20:11.15 | Xinux | lol |
| 20:11.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok |
| 20:11.26 | MobyTurbo | Xinux-- |
| 20:11.32 | Xinux | omg here comes another one |
| 20:11.39 | Solet-deb | MobyTurbo: you forgot the ! |
| 20:11.43 | ronw_ | TwistedEmotions, can i get a copy too? :) |
| 20:11.45 | Nielsen | ok ok enough about the gay talk - im not gay, and i dont mind people asking me. so EOD! |
| 20:11.49 | MobyTurbo | !Xinux-- |
| 20:11.59 | deadcat | ronw_: we are talking about photos |
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| 20:12.11 | ronw_ | oh, ok |
| 20:12.11 | TwistedEmotions | true true. |
| 20:12.13 | deadcat | ronw_: background images to be exact |
| 20:12.18 | K_Dallas | if i give ALL=(ALL) ALL for myself in the sudoers, would it be too risky? |
| 20:12.31 | deadcat | K_Dallas: no. it will ask for passwd |
| 20:12.37 | K_Dallas | deadcat, thanks |
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| 20:12.46 | Gathond | K_Dallas: only if you screew up :) |
| 20:12.51 | ronw_ | deadcat, im just waiting for thhis update to complete and thought id watch a little |
| 20:12.53 | PerfDave | K_Dallas: Define "too risky" :) |
| 20:12.57 | jim | anyway... what package are the info pages in? like especially bash, fileutils, shellutils, etc |
| 20:13.13 | Gathond | K_Dallas: limiting the amount of commands can be a safegard against doing something stupid |
| 20:13.19 | K_Dallas | i meant was it a common practice |
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| 20:13.28 | Gathond | K_Dallas: powering off the wrong machine or some such :) |
| 20:13.30 | PerfDave | K_Dallas: I wouldn't. |
| 20:13.33 | MobyTurbo | jim: they usually are in "-doc" packages if not part of the main package. |
| 20:13.38 | jonkri | do i need to have a mx record in order to recieve mail on a server without relaying? yes or no ;) |
| 20:13.55 | K_Dallas | it is that i do not want to su each time i need to run a command with root permissions |
| 20:13.56 | streuner | jim: and in wget, foo package itself? |
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| 20:14.08 | jim | !info fileutils-doc |
| 20:14.24 | legodude | anyone have any luck with CycleQuad machines? |
| 20:14.25 | jonkri | PerfDave the mail reaches the server, but the server says that it wont relay them |
| 20:14.39 | MobyTurbo | jim: use apt-cache to search for packages |
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| 20:14.42 | Solet-deb | does anyone have a factoid that will point me to my first step in making my audio work? |
| 20:14.48 | justin | jonkri: relay them to WHERE? |
| 20:14.55 | jim | it might not be in my cache |
| 20:14.56 | jonkri | PerfDave http://193.180.65.211/~work/mx.png do you think it would work if i activated that mx thing? |
| 20:15.00 | streuner | !audio |
| 20:15.00 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
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| 20:15.11 | MobyTurbo | jim: if it's not available to apt-cache, what makes you think you can apt-get it? |
| 20:15.34 | Solet-deb | hrm |
| 20:15.38 | jim | !info coreutils-doc |
| 20:16.04 | jonkri | justin i don't want to relay. the mail doesn't get through exim 'cos the mail appearantly has to be relayed |
| 20:16.20 | justin | jonkri: eh? |
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| 20:16.36 | justin | jonkri: sounds like you didnt tell your mail server what domains it is supposed to be accepting mail for |
| 20:16.54 | jonkri | justin i think i did, with eximconf. i get errors like these: 2005-05-22 21:55:25 refused relay (host) to <jon@lists.dedikerad.se> from <jon.kristensen@dedikerad.se> H=lotus.glocalnet.net [213.163.128.201] |
| 20:17.09 | jonkri | justin but when i mail to jon@devmodul.com (same ip) they are not refused |
| 20:17.20 | Solet-deb | streuner: i'm in sarge... would the process still be the same? |
| 20:17.30 | justin | jonkri: you didn't |
| 20:17.32 | Oryn | Jon: exim? |
| 20:17.38 | jonkri | Oryn yes |
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| 20:18.09 | jonkri | justin yes. eximconfig, step 2 |
| 20:18.12 | Oryn | you need to add the ip / range of the client machine you are using to your exim config file |
| 20:18.23 | streuner | Solet-deb: yes |
| 20:18.23 | green_earz | ho just like to thanks for all the freedom the gnu/linux dring to the world. i just built a linux brigde now working on shaping. it be for a home web mail box. thanks, it will be sat on a adsl line. there a connection so get i used. it would be a briliant trorrent box but free media where ??. i am a bit pissed of that the film revolution OS is copy right and not copy left, |
| 20:18.31 | jonkri | Oryn but i don't want to do that, the mail should be able to arrive from anywhere |
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| 20:18.58 | justin | green_earz: that makes absolutely no sense. |
| 20:19.09 | Solet-deb | hey on a multi head system is it possable to drop just one monitor to terminal and leave the other 2 as they are? |
| 20:19.10 | green_earz | why |
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| 20:19.18 | streuner | Solet-deb: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 20:19.29 | Oryn | jonkri: mail will be able to arrive from anywhere so long as its destined for someone@yourdomain |
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| 20:19.45 | justin | green_earz: is english your primary language? |
| 20:19.46 | Solet-deb | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 20:19.51 | jim | aside from which apt-cache is useless... searching for fileutils doesn't get me fileutils docs, and searching for -doc gets me much too large a result |
| 20:19.56 | jonkri | Oryn more specifically, what are you saying that i should do? |
| 20:20.04 | justin | !tell jim about search |
| 20:20.07 | glick | hey does anyone here use qingy? |
| 20:20.12 | jjb123 | Can anyone here help me fix my apache server? The problem is that it wount let me connect with my ipaddress/domain, it will connect though useing localhost on the server itself. The error it gives is "connection refused" what do you guys think? |
| 20:20.13 | glick | does qingy work with usb mice? |
| 20:20.21 | jim | !tell justin about msg the bot for helpers |
| 20:20.24 | justin | jonkri: i already told you what you did wrong |
| 20:20.33 | streuner | Solet-deb: so you have no sound at all? |
| 20:20.35 | jim | I know how to use the bot, thank you |
| 20:20.43 | Oryn | jonkri: let me get this strate, you can't send mail to anyone but yourself? |
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| 20:20.59 | Solet-deb | right now all i have is my pc speaker beeps when some one on irc says my nick |
| 20:20.59 | Oryn | jonkri: exim4? |
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| 20:21.07 | jjb123 | any one |
| 20:21.07 | Solet-deb | atleast i'm pretty sure its my pc speaker |
| 20:21.17 | Oryn | Solet-deb: I have to too |
| 20:21.24 | abrotman | firewall |
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| 20:21.36 | streuner | Solet-deb: uname -a |
| 20:21.37 | jonkri | Oryn no, i have two servers, devmodul.com and lists.dedikerad.se (dedikerad.se is on another server). mail to jon@devmodul.com gets through, but not mail to jon@lists.dedikerad.se (relay problem (why?)) |
| 20:21.41 | jonkri | Oryn exim3 i think (woody) |
| 20:21.56 | jonkri | s/servers/domains |
| 20:22.02 | stupidkid | hey anyone has experience with downloading stuff from yousendit.com? i use wget to download but it's always lost |
| 20:22.04 | Oryn | jonkri: cool (I can handle exim3) |
| 20:22.05 | Solet-deb | Linux tsukasa 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:22.05 | jonkri | devmodul.com and lists.dedikerad.se points to the same server |
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| 20:22.10 | jonkri | Oryn :) |
| 20:22.13 | stupidkid | and i have to start over again |
| 20:22.17 | justin | jonkri: i already told you what you did wrong |
| 20:22.17 | jetscreamer | stupidkid: probably not |
| 20:22.19 | stupidkid | is there a better way i can do? |
| 20:22.23 | jjb123 | How can I turn off the firewall that comes with debian? |
| 20:22.24 | Solet-deb | streuner: that via tech thing is my sound... its onboard... |
| 20:22.24 | green_earz | justin: i would like to torrent the revolution OS film be it as copy rights on it. you would have thought that a film with stalkman in it would be open for distibution. the same as his ogg interveiws |
| 20:22.24 | streuner | !tell Solet-deb about alsa |
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| 20:22.34 | jetscreamer | oh stupidkid try wget -c or whatever the resume command is |
| 20:22.36 | jonkri | justin yes, in a way i couldn't understand it. i said that i specified both domains in eximconfig, and then you said nothing |
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| 20:22.45 | stupidkid | oh |
| 20:22.46 | justin | jonkri: I said that you didn't |
| 20:22.48 | valdyn | jjb123: no firewall is on by default in debian |
| 20:22.48 | stupidkid | thanks jetscreamer |
| 20:22.51 | justin | jonkri: go look at the actual exim config |
| 20:22.55 | Oryn | jonkri: wana take this to p/m where its quieter |
| 20:22.59 | streuner | Solet-deb: that doesn't matter for ALSA |
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| 20:23.24 | Solet-deb | oh ok |
| 20:23.34 | streuner | Solet-deb: apt-get install alsa-utils, alsaconf |
| 20:23.38 | jonkri | justin you're right, cat /etc/exim/exim.conf | grep lists.dedikerad.se shows me nothing |
| 20:23.42 | jjb123 | valdyn: well when I try to connect to my server using apache with my IP it says connection refused, what else could it be? |
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| 20:24.03 | Solet-deb | streuner: do i also want 'discover1' like the bot said? |
| 20:24.07 | valdyn | jjb123: your router, your isp, your webserver, how should i know |
| 20:24.10 | jonkri | justin but i'm telling you, i did eximconfig, five times! |
| 20:24.22 | streuner | Solet-deb: you have it prolly already installed |
| 20:24.38 | kotzbrocken | jjb123: can you 'telnet <ip> 80'? |
| 20:24.43 | Xinux | how do I install MySQL for Apache2? |
| 20:24.45 | jetscreamer | but next time do it right? |
| 20:24.49 | jonkri | devmodul.com |
| 20:24.50 | streuner | Solet-deb: dpkg -l | grep discove - but just paste only 1 line |
| 20:24.53 | jonkri | sorry |
| 20:24.55 | jjb123 | no but I can do it using localhost on the server |
| 20:25.05 | Xinux | how do I install MySQL for Apache2? |
| 20:25.20 | jetscreamer | what you say, Xinux ? |
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| 20:25.33 | valdyn | jjb123: what type of dialin / gateway are you using? |
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| 20:25.37 | Xinux | i need to install MySQL for apache |
| 20:25.50 | jjb123 | valdyn: what? |
| 20:25.55 | jetscreamer | Xinux: apt-cache search mysql, apt-get install something |
| 20:25.57 | Solet-deb | ii discover1 1.7.7 hardware identification system |
| 20:26.03 | Solet-deb | i got it :) |
| 20:26.03 | streuner | hm |
| 20:26.17 | valdyn | jjb123: how is your web server connected to the internet |
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| 20:26.29 | jetscreamer | Xinux: you might need mod_something for apache also, i dunno |
| 20:26.29 | coll | wow |
| 20:26.40 | coll | aptitude dist-upgrade has been working for like 3 hours now |
| 20:26.45 | coll | it's still getting files |
| 20:26.49 | jjb123 | it goes server>router> by broadband |
| 20:26.53 | jetscreamer | put a c in front of aptitude |
| 20:27.01 | coll | im at Get:514 now. how much more to go, anyone? |
| 20:27.05 | jetscreamer | s/c/cr/ |
| 20:27.08 | moi | hey, how can i set a password protection onto samba shares? security level is set to shares... |
| 20:27.16 | valdyn | jjb123: so unsurprisingly you need to enable port forwarding for port 80 on your router |
| 20:27.28 | jetscreamer | coll: depends, varies |
| 20:27.39 | Solet-deb | oh HEY VALDYN!!!! |
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| 20:27.48 | Solet-deb | my printer works!!! you are fuckin awesome |
| 20:27.59 | jjb123 | valdyn: thanks, now how I can do this, sorry I'm new to debian |
| 20:28.11 | valdyn | Solet-deb: i dont know your router |
| 20:28.13 | coll | im going woody->sarge |
| 20:28.35 | valdyn | jjb123: i dont know your router |
| 20:28.36 | Solet-deb | valdyn, huh? my router? what? |
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| 20:28.40 | jetscreamer | make that s/solet-deb/jjb123/ eh valdyn |
| 20:28.45 | valdyn | Solet-deb: oh, sorry, welcome, but i dont remember |
| 20:28.57 | jjb123 | ok thanks, now I know what do do. I will google it. |
| 20:29.16 | Solet-deb | you helped me a few days ago with a printer i'd been fighting with for a while... and it finally works |
| 20:29.30 | valdyn | Solet-deb: i see |
| 20:29.31 | green_earz | jjb123: will be runing mail on it. ? reason being your isp may block port 25. if so have a look at no-ip for mail reflection service |
| 20:30.10 | jetscreamer | green_earz: you have part msg blocked eh |
| 20:30.22 | Solet-deb | alsa tells me to stop all sound applications... what does it consider a sound application? any app that could be using sound? cause i'm sure they all do at some point... |
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| 20:30.33 | Solet-deb | s/alsa/alsaconf |
| 20:30.50 | green_earz | jetscreamer: sorry what do you mean ? |
| 20:30.54 | jetscreamer | it 'probably' means anything actually playing sound |
| 20:30.58 | streuner | Solet-deb: for example xmms |
| 20:31.00 | jetscreamer | [15.29.01] <-- jjb123 has quit () |
| 20:31.14 | Solet-deb | ok so its just talking about media programs... |
| 20:31.26 | streuner | Solet-deb: you don't listen to sound, so don't too much worry about :-) |
| 20:31.28 | Solet-deb | er... s/programs/players |
| 20:31.36 | Solet-deb | :P |
| 20:31.40 | jetscreamer | anything activating the speakers |
| 20:31.43 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 20:31.46 | jetscreamer | making noise |
| 20:32.01 | streuner | Solet-deb: adduser <user> audio |
| 20:32.21 | streuner | Solet-deb: Does alsaconf work? |
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| 20:32.36 | Solet-deb | streuner i'm getting to that... |
| 20:32.55 | jetscreamer | i don't know alsa, but isn't alsaconf not needed for a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 20:33.14 | streuner | yes |
| 20:33.23 | streuner | s(he) running an 2.6.8 kernel |
| 20:33.24 | Solet-deb | su |
| 20:33.35 | Solet-deb | er wrong windows.. glad i didnt type the second half of that :P |
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| 20:34.12 | streuner | jetscreamer: you could use ALSA in 2.4.x kernels as well |
| 20:34.17 | Solet-deb | brb |
| 20:34.32 | jetscreamer | yeah but then alsaconf and all that is needed... |
| 20:34.40 | jetscreamer | or so i understand |
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| 20:35.12 | jetscreamer | but like i meant, i don't grok alsa |
| 20:35.14 | cklennard | hi, anybody here using openafs |
| 20:36.26 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 20:36.26 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:36.28 | cklennard | jetscreamer: than start |
| 20:36.34 | PerfDave | cklennard: no |
| 20:36.34 | jetscreamer | no i don't |
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| 20:36.49 | Spencer_42 | hi |
| 20:36.49 | colde89 | if i want to create a smbpasswd i loogin as user and type smbpasswd username right? |
| 20:36.51 | Spencer_42 | whats up |
| 20:36.53 | moi | hey, how can i set a password protection onto samba shares? security level is set to shares... |
| 20:36.59 | cklennard | jetscreamer: too bad, they all use nfs *grr* |
| 20:37.10 | deadcat | moi: disable guess? |
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| 20:37.20 | jetscreamer | is that what afs is for? |
| 20:37.20 | Spencer_42 | dont know sorry |
| 20:37.28 | borkdox | I get a parse error on /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 20:37.30 | Pappa | moi: adduser trustedsmb |
| 20:37.30 | Solet-deb | yay sound works |
| 20:37.35 | Pappa | and |
| 20:37.39 | borkdox | this is when I try to do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:37.41 | moi | deadcat: what?! |
| 20:37.48 | cklennard | jetscreamer: openafs ist well the open version under ipl |
| 20:37.51 | tpr | any suggestions id have to do to get rid of this warning while configuring: "Cannot find Tcl configuration definitions" |
| 20:37.52 | deadcat | moi: disable guess |
| 20:37.54 | j_k | borkdox: have you tried to apt-get update again ? |
| 20:37.57 | jetscreamer | Solet-deb: you might wanna apt-get install irssi-text and/or xchat |
| 20:38.09 | Solet-deb | jetscreamer: why? |
| 20:38.11 | kotzbrocken | synaptic seemingly doesn't let me start a second instance of it on the same xserver, it always 'recycles' the first instance's gui. is there anything I can do to change that? |
| 20:38.14 | moi | hum. |
| 20:38.15 | cklennard | jetscreamer: client/server like nfs |
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| 20:38.26 | Pappa | moi: and in the share, specify guest ok = no |
| 20:38.27 | jetscreamer | Solet-deb: you might like them better than chatzilla |
| 20:38.31 | jetscreamer | cklennard: ahh |
| 20:38.34 | Solet-deb | aha... |
| 20:38.50 | jetscreamer | but you might not, no telling |
| 20:38.52 | deadcat | oh. guest.. mybad (= |
| 20:38.57 | borkdox | j_k, yes |
| 20:38.59 | Solet-deb | i like chatzilla, its irritating... but i like the idea of having an irc plugin for a browser... |
| 20:39.01 | Solet-deb | :P |
| 20:39.07 | moi | Pappa: ok.. but wasn't there an option like. username isn't necessary, only a password is needed? |
| 20:39.16 | moi | so everyone can access it with just a pw |
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| 20:39.24 | Solet-deb | my only question about is is how do you launch it directly? when i click its launcher it opens mozilla-suite |
| 20:39.27 | deadcat | moi: username:passwd |
| 20:39.37 | Xinux | 9 minuuuutess |
| 20:39.43 | Xinux | to DL MySQL server |
| 20:40.11 | jetscreamer | mozilla-suite -chat |
| 20:40.13 | Pappa | moi: i think smb does not support that.. |
| 20:40.16 | jetscreamer | apparently |
| 20:40.28 | j_k | borkdox: maybe dpkg --clear-available, then try again, I don't know. If you're updating to sarge, BTW, the recommended way is using aptitude. See the release notes. |
| 20:40.35 | jetscreamer | but that's sid, may not work for sarge, Solet-deb |
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| 20:41.16 | moi | Pappa: hum, then where is the difference between user and share level |
| 20:41.28 | Function | eurgh |
| 20:41.29 | giupy | when i try to copy doom3 demo :) from my raid0 partition to my root partition i recive this msg: ide failed opcode was: unknown PDC202XX primary channel reset, secondary channel reset ecc..... what do you know about this ? |
| 20:41.33 | Function | GNOME 2.10 breaks |
| 20:41.34 | Function | hehe |
| 20:41.45 | borkdox | j_k, I am not upgrathing ot sarge, I just want to do an upgrade, if I do upgrade the same thing happens |
| 20:42.49 | Momow | I've got ipv6 disabled on one of my interfaces on a router machine (it doesn't even appear in /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/) |
| 20:42.52 | Momow | it shouldn't be |
| 20:42.54 | borkdox | j_k, afte --clear-avail, I now get dpkg: fgets gave an empty string from diversions |
| 20:43.01 | Momow | (I mean, ipv6 module is loaded) |
| 20:43.09 | Solet-deb | brb: we'll find out if it works or not :P |
| 20:43.10 | Momow | I've got no idea how to re-enable it |
| 20:43.24 | deadcat | what the fuck. i am watching basketball right now and they call this guy Dr... hes not a real doctor. not even PhD. dr j is just his fucking nickname. what the fuck. |
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| 20:43.46 | Solet-deb | yay it works |
| 20:43.51 | j_k | Momow: what if you bring the interface down, then up again ? |
| 20:44.12 | deadcat | only in america, you get to be a doctor without any education... |
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| 20:44.31 | Momow | well j_k it's a production router i'd rather not try :) |
| 20:44.43 | Solet-deb | hrm no nicklist again... |
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| 20:45.31 | j_k | Momow: sure :-| |
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| 20:45.59 | kotzbrocken | how can I start synaptic twice on one server? (and no, 'synaptic&; synaptic&' doesn"t work) |
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| 20:46.18 | j_k | borkdox: weird, has you filesystem suffered recently or something ? |
| 20:47.02 | borkdox | j_k, this is a fresh install, but I had some hard reboots today due to acx_pci wireless driver crasing the whole machine.... |
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| 20:47.27 | j_k | Momow: I've had this once, and didn't manage to fix it without rebooting. (but here it had no cost.) |
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| 20:47.40 | green_earz | deadcat: have you ever look at http://www.infed.org/thinkers/et-illic.htm and for what someone whos is with a dr is or phd. may be worth a read ? |
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| 20:47.53 | Momow | hmmm |
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| 20:48.25 | chealer | kotzbrocken: why would you? |
| 20:48.26 | deadcat | green_earz: thanks. |
| 20:48.31 | green_earz | deadcat: ok |
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| 20:48.57 | giupy | what is PDC202XX ? |
| 20:49.04 | kotzbrocken | chealer: one instance for the 'normal' system, the other one for a chroot jail. |
| 20:49.14 | streuner | giupy: Promise Controller |
| 20:49.16 | dvs | giupy: Promise RAID driver |
| 20:49.25 | borkdox | j_k, I guess is fsck time... |
| 20:49.45 | giupy | raid software ? |
| 20:49.59 | dvs | guipy: No just the driver |
| 20:50.14 | j_k | borkdox: maybe, but it has probably been done already if you had hard reboots. |
| 20:50.19 | giupy | dvs and can it be it that causes that problem ? |
| 20:50.32 | dvs | giu, what program |
| 20:50.41 | green_earz | deadcat: it a good read and i find ivan illic idears of a open ebucation soctiey are very simuarl as the GNU project, |
| 20:51.06 | deadcat | green_earz: ya... gonna bookmark it (= |
| 20:51.08 | giupy | dvs, i just want to copy a 485mb file from my raid0 partition into my root partition |
| 20:51.15 | green_earz | np |
| 20:51.25 | prodope | how can i see how much space a certain directory is using? |
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| 20:51.54 | giupy | both partition using xfs |
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| 20:52.07 | PerfDave | prodope: du -s dir/ |
| 20:52.12 | dvs | giup, I have no idea about XFS |
| 20:52.12 | covux | hi. on boot i get "/sbin/init: 360: cannot open bin/root: No such file" after updating initrd-tools to 0.1.80 and newest kernel k7 package (unstable) could anyone help? thanks |
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| 20:52.28 | giupy | dvs k thanks |
| 20:52.33 | jetscreamer | is raid0 vfat? |
| 20:52.35 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 20:53.28 | giupy | must i have that controller driver in my kernel if i use raid software ? |
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| 20:54.14 | pipeline | giupy: You have to have the controller driver to use the controller /as a controller/. |
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| 20:54.30 | pipeline | giupy: There's a secord driver you would need to use it as a software-assisted RAID. |
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| 20:54.31 | crondom | I've got a daemon that seems to be making my box kernel panic. I would like to create coredumps. I do not have physical access and I cannot replicate the event. For that reason I believe that ulimit may not properly create core files. How can I tell debian to create a core dump for all processes? |
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| 20:54.43 | pipeline | giupy: You probably want to use software RAID rather than software-assisted RAID. |
| 20:54.44 | giupy | pipeline so i can toggle all driver for controllers |
| 20:54.47 | Jeffreyf | Hi all |
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| 20:55.44 | Jeffreyf | I would like to get linux working for KOHA....any experience here? |
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| 20:56.09 | abrotman | which linux .. and what's koha ? |
| 20:57.02 | deadcat | i am trying to bind a key that would split my terminal into 3, switch 1st to region6, 2nd to region5, and 3rd to region0. is that possible? |
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| 20:58.09 | Solet-deb | yay audio works... |
| 20:58.12 | Bert_ | My machine is running debian i686 gnu/linux even though its equipped with an AMD64 cpu, I was wondering if I could still take advantage of the cpu's extended instruction set (x86-64) through asm programming? |
| 20:58.14 | Solet-deb | completely |
| 20:58.40 | abrotman | Bert_: you know there is a -k8 kernel right ? |
| 20:58.44 | Jeffreyf | www.koha.org....It's a librarian web program. unfortunately I am a newbie, but not a computer newbie....M$ ruined me |
| 20:59.03 | Solet-deb | is there a terminal program that acts exactly like the accual terminal? because gnome terminal doesnt show a lot of stuff that the accual terminal shows |
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| 20:59.19 | tpr | help, I have lost mysql.h! |
| 20:59.20 | maja | what do i need to compile into my kernel to get nvidia cards to work ? |
| 20:59.29 | abrotman | Jeffreyf: it's not packaged for debian .. you can look for unofficial packages for debian .. or just install it yourself on top of debian |
| 20:59.35 | maja | kern 2.6.11.10 |
| 20:59.39 | Bert_ | abrotman: yes I know, it's the comp i got at work |
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| 20:59.53 | deadcat | maja: nothing. you compile the driver afterward |
| 21:00.04 | prodope | how can i use du to show me the size of the dirs in /, but not their subdirs? |
| 21:00.05 | deadcat | tpr: well we aint got it. |
| 21:00.08 | tpr | do need mysql client or server dev packages for mysql.h |
| 21:00.11 | maja | deadcat: how ? |
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| 21:00.13 | deadcat | prodope: du -sh / |
| 21:00.13 | tpr | deadcat, i bet you do ;) |
| 21:00.24 | chealer | hey maja. in the log you sent me, it showed that you were still using woody's X |
| 21:00.25 | deadcat | !tell maja about nvidia-oneliner |
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| 21:00.38 | Harley^ | howdy :) |
| 21:00.39 | deadcat | tpr: where is it suppose to be? |
| 21:00.53 | maja | chealer: thanks :) |
| 21:00.59 | tpr | porolly in /usr/include/mysql |
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| 21:01.09 | maja | chealer: wouldnt ap-get update update that ? |
| 21:01.13 | tpr | but i think its the dev packages i need, duh |
| 21:01.14 | green_earz | deadcat: ivan illic veiw on transport is very intresting. and how the public have been put into a monotally. we are pushed more into comsuming resauces for Private profit. 40% of the world's Wealth one trillian dollars a day is owned by 4000 peaple. the wealth of many will gravitate to the hand of few. yes a bit of marks |
| 21:01.27 | chealer | maja: no |
| 21:01.35 | chealer | !tell maja about woody->sarge |
| 21:01.36 | deadcat | maja: apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source; m-a a-i nvidia |
| 21:01.37 | Skyblaze | has anyone ever worked midi with linux? |
| 21:01.42 | pipeline | green_earz: Marx, not marks. And this isn't #politics. |
| 21:01.53 | deadcat | Skyblaze: no |
| 21:01.56 | green_earz | pipeline: YRS |
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| 21:02.06 | green_earz | pipeline: haaaaa |
| 21:02.19 | giupy | pipeline i have seen that i have raid hardware in kernel too, can it be that the problem for the crash with my software raid? |
| 21:02.23 | pipeline | green_earz: "haaa" nothing, asshat. |
| 21:02.30 | pipeline | giupy: Couldn't tell you. |
| 21:02.38 | giupy | pipeline k :) |
| 21:02.50 | Jeffreyf | does woody come with a wizard for the install??? I tried Gentoo, but gave up 1/4 way in |
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| 21:03.03 | thomas_adam | Jeffreyf: Install sarge. |
| 21:03.15 | dvs | Jeffreyf: The installation is a "wizard" |
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| 21:03.35 | Jeffreyf | is it stable enough? |
| 21:03.40 | Harley^ | I have a directory with over one thousand .tga image files I have generated from povray. The files have names like, myanimat001.tga, myanimat002.tga, myanimat003.tga, etc. Is there a way to use ImageMagik's convert program to convert all of the files ending in .tga to files with the same filename but ending in .ppm ? |
| 21:03.43 | pipeline | Jeffreyf: "Stable" in debian has an unusual meaning. |
| 21:03.48 | dvs | Jeffreyf: It will be in a few days |
| 21:03.51 | pipeline | Jeffreyf: In Debian, "stable" means the version numbers don't change. |
| 21:04.02 | pipeline | Jeffreyf: that is to say, "Stable" gets no new software. Period. Only security updates. |
| 21:04.02 | maja | deadcat: what is the m-a i-a nvidia about ? |
| 21:04.05 | MobyTurbo | !d-i Jeffreyf |
| 21:04.06 | dpkg | Jeffreyf, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:04.13 | olace | hi |
| 21:04.15 | j_k | pipeline: and RC bugs corrections. |
| 21:04.21 | deadcat | maja: compile andinstall nvidia for you. |
| 21:04.21 | dvs | Jeffreyf: If you mean usable, definitly |
| 21:04.22 | green_earz | i see that the GNU project could be a gateway into a new social paradime. open society |
| 21:04.23 | Jeffreyf | I will eventually hand a system to a bunch of NON-PC-Literates....will it survive?? |
| 21:04.28 | deadcat | i forgot the nvidia-oneliner thing |
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| 21:04.45 | pipeline | Jeffreyf: Better than gentoo would have, I'm sure. |
| 21:04.49 | maja | deadcat: give it juat as it was on the line ? |
| 21:04.50 | cklennard | deadcat: make-kpkg modules_image? |
| 21:04.52 | POVaddct | Harley^: i'd rather use netpbm: for f in *.tga ; do tgatoppm $f > ${f%.tga}.ppm ; done |
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| 21:05.18 | deadcat | !tell maja about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:05.29 | deadcat | cklennard: m-a is much better |
| 21:05.30 | olace | alguem aki fla portugues? |
| 21:05.48 | cklennard | deadcat: yeah, more colors |
| 21:06.12 | MobyTurbo | !br |
| 21:06.13 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:06.17 | cklennard | deadcat: i could not compile the modules with it.. |
| 21:06.25 | colde89 | isnt in sarge raidtools2 abalible? |
| 21:06.30 | maja | deadcat: nm dpkg msged me |
| 21:06.31 | deadcat | cklennard: really? works like a charm for me. |
| 21:06.32 | olace | valeu |
| 21:06.36 | Harley^ | POVaddct, I don't see you on #Povray :) |
| 21:06.36 | prodope | deadcat: that only shows me the / dir... i want the first level of dirs, /usr, /etc, etc. |
| 21:06.44 | Harley^ | POVaddct, thank you |
| 21:06.47 | deadcat | prodope: /* then. dude |
| 21:06.58 | prodope | ahh, cool, thanks |
| 21:07.13 | cklennard | deadcat: hm, dont know why, it always complained..anyway shrug* |
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| 21:07.40 | trueno | Where can I find firefox' lock? It crashed and I don't know how to remove it... |
| 21:07.59 | deadcat | trueno: check .firefox or .mozilla |
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| 21:08.24 | j_k | trueno: or .mozilla/firefox :-) |
| 21:08.24 | trueno | deadcat: where, ~? /tmp? |
| 21:08.29 | deadcat | trueno: ~ |
| 21:08.34 | trueno | thanks |
| 21:08.40 | nayyares | si there any way so that i configure apt on some other distro and install debian packges using apt there? |
| 21:08.52 | nayyares | s/si/is |
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| 21:09.23 | chealer | cklennard: when did you try it? |
| 21:09.27 | j_k | nayyares: that's probably a bad idea. |
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| 21:09.44 | stupidkid | hey people |
| 21:09.51 | cklennard | chealer: oh a while back, maybe 3-4 months |
| 21:09.52 | j_k | nayyares: you could install a Debian chroot, maybe? |
| 21:09.55 | enoch | i am currently downloading, debian-30r5-i386-binary,7 isos, i have never used debian is it going to be worth it? |
| 21:10.05 | trueno | It worked, thanks! |
| 21:10.05 | other | nayyares: you can surely try ... but debian packages are made to work with the debian distribution -- things would likely break if you used debian packages elsewhere |
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| 21:10.13 | stupidkid | was DMA already enable in 2.6.8 kernel? |
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| 21:10.24 | stupidkid | i installed it from apt-get so i dont know |
| 21:10.28 | nayyares | j_k, i want guile-gnome which is present as debian packge, while i use FC3 |
| 21:10.30 | jaibeee | hello I have a problem |
| 21:10.33 | j_k | enoch: You'd better get a minimal network install CD for sarge. |
| 21:10.35 | Jeffreyf | dpkg: D/l'ing the install now. --Thanks for the help |
| 21:10.38 | j_k | !d-i enoch |
| 21:10.39 | dpkg | enoch, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:10.39 | Jon | stupidkid: check /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 21:10.43 | deadcat | stupidkid: more /boot/config-`uname -r |
| 21:10.43 | chealer | cklennard: there were 16 uploads since 3 months |
| 21:10.46 | green_earz | enoch: go for the new sarge installer http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:11.00 | enoch | ok then thanks guys |
| 21:11.09 | stupidkid | bash: check: command not found |
| 21:11.10 | j_k | nayyares: I'd better get it from source and compile it on your distro, with your libraries and all. |
| 21:11.12 | cklennard | chealer: *g* as i said make-kpkg worked for me.. |
| 21:11.12 | shingouz | jaibeee: just ask |
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| 21:11.26 | jaibeee | I am trying to install sarge from the installation cd. it is saying that it cannot mount the cd-rom |
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| 21:11.41 | j_k | nayyares: the debian package may not fit in and will pollute you filesystem with files unknown to your package manager. |
| 21:11.51 | dvs | jailbeee: Boot from the CD |
| 21:11.51 | jaibeee | is there a way to get around that? |
| 21:12.04 | jaibeee | I did boot from the cd |
| 21:12.13 | stupidkid | CONFIG_GENERIC_ISA_DMA=y |
| 21:12.15 | nayyares | j_k, yeah , i have tried it but it has some dependencies problems, which have took me to think for debian-->fedora apt solution :( |
| 21:12.18 | stupidkid | is this line? |
| 21:12.31 | stupidkid | CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y |
| 21:12.38 | stupidkid | is it enabled right? |
| 21:12.47 | green_earz | enoch: and book mark Debian Reference for future refrence http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 21:12.53 | j_k | nayyares: well, install the needed packages, or better yet, replace your system with Debian! |
| 21:13.28 | jaibeee | it says "Detect and mount CD-ROM" try again to mount the cd-rom? |
| 21:13.37 | liable | jaibeee: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/09/msg01785.html |
| 21:13.50 | nayyares | j_k, i am using redhat for several years and sorry to say i am a bit adict to this stupid distro |
| 21:14.32 | jaibeee | I'm going to check it out |
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| 21:15.17 | Jon | stupidkid: check was a command for you, not bash. as in, 'check the file ...' |
| 21:15.51 | enoch | green_earz: thanks I have done. so i can install the whole system over the internet? |
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| 21:17.06 | ronw_ | Nielsen, that apt upgrade with just one line in the sources.list worked out great.. thanks |
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| 21:19.18 | jaibeee | I read the thread and am going to try what was done there. How would I get the other modules to load |
| 21:19.51 | jaibeee | liable? |
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| 21:20.44 | jjb123 | How do I access a cd on debian, using gnome? |
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| 21:21.17 | Jon | jjb123: oooh boy. |
| 21:21.17 | jaibeee | I read the thread and am going to try what was done there. How would I get the other modules to load |
| 21:21.18 | jjb123 | Anybody here? |
| 21:21.23 | borkdox | this is really weird, every time I try to do apt-get upgrade and hit yes, when it is doing "Preconfiguring Packages..." I get:: "dpkg:fgets gave an empty string from diversions [i]" and the packages do not install... |
| 21:21.26 | jjb123 | yeh i know |
| 21:21.39 | Jon | jjb123: ok, what kernel version do you have - is udev/hotplug installed, what kind of cdrom-drive, got gnome-volume-manager? |
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| 21:21.53 | js | i suddenly got the error "System bootup in progress - please wait" and couldnt ssh in to my local server, although all services were running.. i thought it had rebooted itself so i watied 10 mins, without luck |
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| 21:22.07 | js | after a reboot i can log on to it again, but id like to know what caused it |
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| 21:22.16 | jjb123 | 2.2 kernal, dont know, ATAPI, dont know |
| 21:22.36 | jaibeee | can anyone help me? |
| 21:22.37 | dvs | sounds like woody |
| 21:22.47 | cklennard | jjb123: try uname -a |
| 21:22.54 | jjb123 | ok |
| 21:23.04 | prodope | what's the package name for the scp client? |
| 21:23.15 | dvs | !Find scp |
| 21:23.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'scp' (5): ascpu ;; escputil ;; libnet-scp-expect-perl ;; libnet-scp-perl ;; scponly. |
| 21:23.58 | MobyTurbo | prodope: scp is part of the "ssh" package |
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| 21:24.47 | Jon | prodope: if you can get away with it, sftp is a lot better, especially for 'weird' filenames |
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| 21:26.08 | Jon | jjb123: ok well hm, what debian version are you using? |
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| 21:26.24 | Jon | jjb123: for testing/unstable I got mine sorted today and it involved a min 2.6 kernel with HOTPLUG,SYSFS in teh kernel, and udev,hotplug installed |
| 21:26.36 | clojster | whats the command to load .Xresources file while X are running? |
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| 21:26.55 | cklennard | clojster: xrdb -merge iirc |
| 21:26.58 | bernouli | heelo, i must do an lecture about computer attack, anybody has nice links i can use as reference? |
| 21:27.14 | clojster | and why wasn't that file loaded automatically when I started X via startx? |
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| 21:27.29 | b00 | this password attacking worm, scarred the shit out of me ;) |
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| 21:27.31 | MobyTurbo | bernouli: #debian is not "http://www.google.com" |
| 21:27.32 | borkdox | can anyone help me?? my dpkg seems borked. |
| 21:27.36 | guestish | hiya |
| 21:27.42 | clojster | cklennard: thanks |
| 21:27.43 | guestish | what is a decent case temp and CPU temp for a system? |
| 21:27.46 | borkdox | I get an fgets gave an empty string from diversions error |
| 21:27.55 | shingouz | borkdox: ask. just ask |
| 21:28.35 | guestish | right now its about 45C for both |
| 21:28.36 | borkdox | shingouz, "dpkg: fgets gave an empty string from diversions" |
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| 21:28.38 | guestish | ideas? |
| 21:28.49 | bernouli | MobyTurbo, well maybe someone here has great links, which he/she may recommend me |
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| 21:29.01 | jjb123 | jon: I just want to know how to access a cd using the graphic interface. |
| 21:29.02 | shingouz | borkdox: i have no idea, someone else may have |
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| 21:29.13 | MobyTurbo | bernouli: and this has to do with the topic of #debian - how? |
| 21:29.21 | cklennard | bernouli: www.google.de |
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| 21:29.30 | borkdox | oh man, this is my server and I have to get it up by today |
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| 21:29.50 | A1Fish | Howdy all |
| 21:30.10 | Ry12 | i wanted to make my /dev/hda1 an extended partition, when i deleted it and created the extended i coudnt make any logical partitions :\ |
| 21:30.21 | jjb123 | you there jon??????? |
| 21:30.27 | exerd | I get this when running firefox: The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'. |
| 21:30.28 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.49 | exerd | Whats wrong? it worked one hour ago |
| 21:30.50 | shingouz | borkdox: you get that error when exactly? |
| 21:30.52 | bernouli | well, if nobody has nice links except search engine, then let it be |
| 21:31.05 | Jon | jjb123: if you enter system:// what do you see |
| 21:31.17 | Jon | jjb123: computer:/// I mean, into nautilus |
| 21:31.51 | jjb123 | ok |
| 21:32.02 | borkdox | shingouz, what the status is "Preconfiguring Packages..." in apt-get upgrade or when trying to do dpkg -i [a package] |
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| 21:32.25 | shingouz | borkdox: googling.. |
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| 21:32.41 | jjb123 | jon: it says no such directory |
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| 21:33.14 | Jon | jjb123: what version of gnome/nautilus/debian are you using |
| 21:33.25 | Jon | the odds are I probably can't help you btw, just going over the preliminaries |
| 21:33.42 | jjb123 | debian 3.0 and all that comes with it. |
| 21:33.49 | MobyTurbo | !d-i jjb123 |
| 21:33.50 | dpkg | jjb123, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:34.08 | jjb123 | k |
| 21:34.10 | shingouz | borkdox: what did you do *before* you started to get that error? |
| 21:34.44 | A1Fish | could someone point me to a debian iso that fits my needs (i.e., who wants to be a debian salesman)? I'd love to have a stable system, but some newer software (and drivers for my dual-layer dvd burner). |
| 21:35.06 | A1Fish | just pm me |
| 21:35.24 | borkdox | shingouz, nothing, I was messing around with acx_pci wireless drivers, I had couple of hard reboots... |
| 21:35.57 | shingouz | borkdox: and before that apt-get worked? maybe the hard reboots fucked something up? |
| 21:35.57 | borkdox | shingouz, then I decided to use the acx-source in apt-get, and thus edited my sources.list removing the cdrom source, and di apt-get update |
| 21:36.15 | borkdox | shingouz, I dunno, I did fsck and everything was consistent |
| 21:36.24 | deadcat | A1Fish: aint nobody gonna msg you. |
| 21:36.57 | A1Fish | thx deadcat |
| 21:37.03 | shingouz | borkdox: have you tried apt-get update already |
| 21:37.04 | borkdox | shingouz, before this error dpkg was shougn an /var/dpkg/available error, which was fixed by doing dokg --clean-avail, then this error showed up |
| 21:37.07 | deadcat | no problem. just ask the right questions here. |
| 21:37.09 | borkdox | shingouz, yes |
| 21:37.26 | A1Fish | k |
| 21:37.28 | shingouz | hmm |
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| 21:38.39 | shingouz | borkdox: so you get an apt error code 2? |
| 21:39.14 | MobyTurbo | the number of people here is usually about 50% higher, did they all leave because of Sunday? ;-) |
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| 21:39.31 | borkdox | shingouz, yes |
| 21:39.37 | Jon | A1Fish: I'd wait till sarge is stable then pimp that |
| 21:39.43 | Jon | A1Fish: s/wait/do whatever you can to help/ |
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| 21:40.09 | shingouz | is there a place where the apt error code 2 could be checked? |
| 21:40.19 | tarzeau | !utsl |
| 21:40.19 | dpkg | utsl is, like, Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 21:40.27 | A1Fish | ok |
| 21:40.50 | A1Fish | i assume that's soon then? |
| 21:41.08 | borkdox | shingouz, I dunno |
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| 21:41.25 | MobyTurbo | A1Fish: if the schedule holds true it will be by the end of the month, don't expect that though - it probably will be a bit longer. |
| 21:41.30 | A1Fish | oh |
| 21:41.31 | stupidkid | when sarge becomes stable? |
| 21:41.31 | exerd | Is there any command to start firefox in a specific Pixmap or Window parameter? |
| 21:41.37 | tarzeau | stupidkid: end of month |
| 21:41.42 | A1Fish | i was just wondering... |
| 21:41.42 | stupidkid | nice :D |
| 21:41.45 | stupidkid | i can't wait |
| 21:41.47 | stupidkid | :) |
| 21:41.51 | A1Fish | i have mandrake now, and want to switch to something else |
| 21:42.08 | stupidkid | tarzeau, if it's stable i just do apt-get upgrade right? |
| 21:42.09 | MobyTurbo | A1Fish: Mandrake is the one distro I tried that I *hated*. |
| 21:42.15 | stupidkid | what do i put in the source |
| 21:42.18 | stupidkid | is it still testing? |
| 21:42.18 | borkdox | shingouz, the last line is "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an erro code (2)" |
| 21:42.22 | tarzeau | stupidkid: !woody->sarge |
| 21:42.29 | tarzeau | stupidkid: no it's stable |
| 21:42.34 | stupidkid | tarzeau, oh |
| 21:42.37 | stupidkid | just put stable? |
| 21:42.44 | MobyTurbo | stupidkid: Sarge is still testing |
| 21:42.47 | tarzeau | stupidkid: when it is so, yes |
| 21:42.50 | A1Fish | Moby > yeah...but it was better than suse (in my experience) |
| 21:42.54 | shingouz | borkdox: yea, i found that out on google, trying to figure out how to make that error code disappear :) |
| 21:42.56 | simonrvn | -> doesn't work, do botname: woody->sarge |
| 21:43.00 | stupidkid | yeah, i meant when sarge becomes stable |
| 21:43.07 | simonrvn | e.g. |
| 21:43.07 | stupidkid | i just put stable in source.list to upgrade |
| 21:43.09 | stupidkid | right? |
| 21:43.12 | simonrvn | !woody->sarge |
| 21:43.16 | simonrvn | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 21:43.20 | markmrd | I just did an rm * as root by accident in my /lib directory, any way I can undo this? |
| 21:43.27 | simonrvn | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 21:43.27 | dpkg | from memory, woody->sarge is Then "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes> |
| 21:43.32 | simonrvn | see? |
| 21:43.36 | stupidkid | markmrd: LOL |
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| 21:43.43 | tarzeau | simonrvn: ah ok |
| 21:44.04 | stupidkid | he removed his lib |
| 21:44.06 | simonrvn | tarzeau: it's a bug in the code WRT '->' |
| 21:44.10 | markmrd | stupidkid - yea tell me abount it, that will teach me to log in as root |
| 21:44.29 | MobyTurbo | stupidkid: if you want to run Sarge both when its testing and when it's stable, use "sarge" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:44.30 | cklennard | markmrd: no, you have got backups |
| 21:44.31 | A1Fish | markmrd - my sympathies |
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| 21:44.38 | stupidkid | oh |
| 21:44.44 | stupidkid | i'm sarge already |
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| 21:44.49 | simonrvn | markmrd: ouch |
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| 21:44.52 | stupidkid | i put sarge in there |
| 21:44.59 | A1Fish | so is 'sarge' the current beta? |
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| 21:45.03 | simonrvn | markmrd: don't worry, i did /bin once ;) |
| 21:45.04 | A1Fish | soon to be stable? |
| 21:45.12 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.14 | MobyTurbo | stupidkid: yes, but you also need to dist-upgrade, if you haven't already. |
| 21:45.17 | stupidkid | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 21:45.17 | stupidkid | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 21:45.30 | simonrvn | wtf is up with wget? the options changed |
| 21:45.53 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: does -c still work? |
| 21:46.06 | simonrvn | seems so |
| 21:46.16 | noob1 | can someone help me i have two network cards and they both work but i dont know how to bring eth0 up at boot |
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| 21:47.37 | borkdox | shingouz, I got it, I just mv /var/lib/dpkg/diversions /var/lib/dpkg/diversions.old |
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| 21:47.49 | shingouz | borkdox: excellent :) |
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| 21:48.06 | borkdox | shingouz, I dont know if that diversions file was important for something tough... |
| 21:48.09 | borkdox | I hope is not |
| 21:48.16 | borkdox | shingouz, tnx for the help |
| 21:48.16 | shingouz | borkdox: so it started working when you had no file there then? |
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| 21:48.29 | borkdox | shingouz, yes |
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| 21:48.39 | borkdox | shingouz, when there was no diversions file |
| 21:48.47 | shingouz | borkdox: i'll make a mental note about that :) |
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| 21:49.43 | j_k | markmrd: if it's of any recomfort, I once did a 'cp /dev/zero /dev/hda' to show a friend it'd have no consequences since I wasn't in the 'disk' group. Well, I *was* in the disk group :-) |
| 21:49.47 | tpr | ok so I installed libmysqlclient14(-dev) and now I get the famous "can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/ru..., is there a quick fix for this anyone has a lot of experience with it? |
| 21:50.06 | tpr | i understand going through the socket is faster than going through a tcp port, so id like to keep it like this |
| 21:50.41 | cklennard | tpr: is a mysqld running and listening on that sokcet |
| 21:51.04 | tpr | cklennard: hmm good point, didnt restart mysql or anything |
| 21:51.21 | tpr | so propably not, i guess ill try to restart mysqld |
| 21:51.21 | cklennard | tpr: :) |
| 21:51.25 | kelan | noob1: what do you see it /etc/network/intefaces |
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| 21:52.15 | davut | hi |
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| 21:52.22 | davut | I just installed debian |
| 21:52.39 | davut | and I can not get a good display |
| 21:52.39 | kelan | congrats, davut! |
| 21:52.56 | davut | my laptops actual resolution is 1200x800 |
| 21:53.04 | davut | but I get 1024x768 |
| 21:53.16 | kelan | i ate too many gummy bears and now i feel kinda sick. can debian help me with that? |
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| 21:53.25 | davut | my laptop is sonoma with i915 chipset |
| 21:53.27 | j_k | davut: did you see a question asking you for the video modes you wanted to use? |
| 21:53.41 | davut | yes |
| 21:53.48 | davut | but the prblem is |
| 21:54.06 | davut | there is nothing with i915 in xorg configuration |
| 21:54.15 | MobyTurbo | !tell davut -about enter |
| 21:54.33 | PerfDave | davut: How are you running xorg in Debian? xorg isn't in Debian., |
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| 21:58.12 | shingouz | kelan: apt-get remove --purge gummi-bears |
| 21:58.44 | exerd | whats the dimensions for fullscreen? |
| 21:58.46 | jjb123 | Can somebody please tell me how to copy the contents of a cd to somewhere on my hardrive? |
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| 21:59.04 | shingouz | jjb123: cp |
| 21:59.15 | K_Dallas | copy as in making an image out of it? |
| 21:59.19 | jjb123 | I know but what is the CD location |
| 21:59.34 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.34 | Hardkorn | I searched on www.debian.org "sarge" cd distribution and I found 2 files with 2 different date times that seem to be for the same thing though the files are different in size. One is debian-testing-i386-binary-1.jigdo and the other one is for the bittorent: sarge-i386-1.iso.torrent. As I know it the jigdo file was named sarge-i386-1.jigdo before. |
| 21:59.35 | Hardkorn | My question is: which one of the two files is for the newest iso??? |
| 21:59.35 | Hardkorn | Can anyone help me? |
| 21:59.38 | Hardkorn | I searched on www.debian.org "sarge" cd distribution and I found 2 files with 2 different date times that seem to be for the same thing though the files are different in size. One is debian-testing-i386-binary-1.jigdo and the other one is for the bittorent: sarge-i386-1.iso.torrent. As I know it the jigdo file was named sarge-i386-1.jigdo before. |
| 21:59.38 | Hardkorn | My question is: which one of the two files is for the newest iso??? |
| 21:59.39 | Hardkorn | Can anyone help me? |
| 21:59.43 | shingouz | jjb123: probably /cdrom or |
| 21:59.57 | jbmigel | wow stop spamming nub |
| 21:59.59 | kelan | E: Couldn't find package gummi-bears :( |
| 22:00.01 | Hardkorn | sorry |
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| 22:00.17 | MobyTurbo | !d-i Hardkorn |
| 22:00.18 | dpkg | Hardkorn, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:00.22 | jjb123 | shingouz: I have gnome and when I look in that folder with the cd in nothing appears. Do I have to reboot after I put the cd in |
| 22:00.24 | shingouz | kelan: in that case you need to cat yourself into /dev/null |
| 22:00.25 | tpr | cklennard: i restarted mysqld but Im still getting the cant connect to socket, how exactly do I check where its listening? |
| 22:00.28 | jbmigel | Hardkorn those are both the same file, but configured for different download managers |
| 22:00.55 | K_Dallas | jjb123, i presume that the Cd is not empty then do and eject and then remount the drive |
| 22:01.02 | jbmigel | Hardkorn if you use bittorrent get the .torrent or if you use jigdo get the .jigdo |
| 22:01.03 | Hardkorn | and why the file sizes differ? |
| 22:01.06 | Jon | night all |
| 22:01.07 | shingouz | jjb123: i have no idea how gnome works. mount the cd manually and cp the stuff over. if you like to make an iso out of it use dd |
| 22:01.10 | Hardkorn | i know |
| 22:01.11 | kelan | shingouz: hmm. good idea. but where does that lead? will i just be polluting some unknown corner of the universe with gummy bears? |
| 22:01.22 | Hardkorn | did that before, jigdo i mean |
| 22:01.28 | jjb123 | how do I mount the drive, sorry im kinda new |
| 22:01.30 | shingouz | kelan: possible |
| 22:01.35 | shingouz | man mount |
| 22:01.39 | jbmigel | Hardkorn they are not the actual iso they just tell their respective managers where to go for the iso... it is 128MB either way |
| 22:02.31 | Hardkorn | i see one size in bitcomet and a different one in bitcomet |
| 22:02.46 | jbmigel | eh? |
| 22:02.48 | Hardkorn | a few mb but there is a difference |
| 22:02.59 | Hardkorn | sorry |
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| 22:03.03 | Hardkorn | i meant jigdo |
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| 22:03.24 | quinten | is there a gnome package that can burn mp3s + oggs straight to cd? |
| 22:03.32 | quinten | something like k3b |
| 22:03.49 | thingfish | k3b works in gnome. |
| 22:03.51 | drac_ | quinten: gnomebaker |
| 22:03.58 | jbmigel | Hardkorn here is a ftp link to i386 images... you only need the first disk they rest you can download after install ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/debian-cd/images/3.0_r5/i386/ |
| 22:04.06 | quinten | i have problems gettting k3b to work with debian |
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| 22:04.13 | quinten | buggy |
| 22:04.14 | jjb123 | shingouz what do I use to mount the cd I tried mount /cdrom/ but it says it doesnt exsist. |
| 22:04.16 | drac_ | jbmigel: oooold. |
| 22:04.35 | jbmigel | drac_ eh? |
| 22:04.56 | drac_ | jbmigel: apparently he's trying to get new debian, not old one. |
| 22:05.01 | shingouz | jjb123: check what fstab has to say, look for the cdrom there, then mount the cdrom to whatever place fstab says it will be mounted |
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| 22:05.20 | Hardkorn | yup |
| 22:05.21 | Hardkorn | sarge |
| 22:05.25 | jjb123 | k |
| 22:06.05 | jbmigel | Hardkorn here is a testing link http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ |
| 22:06.10 | L00thar | According to the documentation, the 'get' command for 'sftp' is recursive on directories. Duznt work for me. It loox like 'get' duznt do directories(!?) where I am... So I use 'scp -r', but really, what gives here? |
| 22:06.33 | quinten | drac_: awesome, thanks |
| 22:07.02 | K_Dallas | is there any deb for the trunk versions of firefox out there? I have installed the unstable version but it does not have the feature that I need and i hate to get their installer and mess up my debian packagin et. thanks |
| 22:07.16 | L00thar | That's /etc/fstab |
| 22:07.25 | jbmigel | Hardkorn I suppose it is possible the .jigdo and .torrent are different, the link i just sent has images from may 22, i think thats today |
| 22:07.53 | Hardkorn | yup |
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| 22:08.03 | Hardkorn | one is 22 may |
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| 22:08.11 | caphuso | K_Dallas: get the installer and put it into /opt/firefox or so, then it's kept nicely away from your package management system |
| 22:08.12 | Hardkorn | the other one is from back april |
| 22:08.24 | simonrvn | it's a bug BTW; i'm using -nc to fetch a file, and instead of overwriting, it whines and doesn't fetch it |
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| 22:08.25 | K_Dallas | thanks caphuso |
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| 22:08.49 | jbmigel | Hardkorn yes it really doesnt matter, if you "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" after installing you will have the latest version no matter what |
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| 22:09.48 | jjb123 | shingouz: where is fstab |
| 22:09.49 | K_Dallas | caphuso, do i need to remove the one installed or i can use the new one and wait till v2.0 is officially out there? |
| 22:09.55 | K_Dallas | jjb123, /etc/fstab |
| 22:09.58 | shingouz | jjb123: /etc/fstab |
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| 22:10.26 | jjb123 | itsays it doesnt exsist |
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| 22:10.40 | K_Dallas | poor you :) |
| 22:10.40 | caphuso | K_Dallas: you can keep it installed. you can adjust via $PATH which one to start |
| 22:10.45 | shingouz | jjb123: "it" baing? |
| 22:10.56 | K_Dallas | excellent, that would be a great deal of help in my surfing :) |
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| 22:11.00 | jjb123 | the console |
| 22:11.16 | r44 | with apt souces.list file can you have multi sources in case the main one is down? |
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| 22:11.19 | shingouz | jjb123: what exactly did you type into the terminal? |
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| 22:11.49 | jjb123 | it wount let me type it in. |
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| 22:11.57 | jjb123 | etc/fstab |
| 22:11.59 | PhorceP | Does anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with bug #304888? |
| 22:12.04 | jjb123 | only with a . infront |
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| 22:12.12 | K_Dallas | jjb123, it is a file |
| 22:12.13 | shingouz | jjb123: jfc... less /etc/fstab |
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| 22:12.26 | tpr | doh how do I (re)start Mysql then, apparently it doesnt run during boot |
| 22:12.35 | enoch | can any one tell why i should install debian instead of keeping my suse install |
| 22:12.36 | r44 | the uk debian servers r giving very slow response |
| 22:12.48 | jjb123 | i know i meant to say / but acedently put a . |
| 22:12.57 | ralf | how can I set up a transparent proxy on a pc that doesn't is the gateway? |
| 22:12.57 | cklennard | tpr: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 22:13.15 | shingouz | jjb123: less /etc/fstab |
| 22:13.27 | cklennard | tpr: is mysqld installed? |
| 22:13.30 | jjb123 | ok thanks |
| 22:13.37 | cbr | tell me the best ftpd |
| 22:13.53 | FieldySnuts | !best |
| 22:13.53 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 22:13.53 | ralf | vsftpd |
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| 22:14.30 | tpr | cklennard: I did that but I still cant see anything in ps aux :( |
| 22:14.56 | cklennard | tpr: eh, what does the init script say |
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| 22:15.18 | cklennard | tpr: try whereis mysqld |
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| 22:16.10 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 22:16.10 | cklennard | tpr: you root atm, right? |
| 22:16.27 | tpr | cklennard: yes, whereis doesnt find it |
| 22:16.42 | tpr | locate does but man thats weird it finds me things that arent there :D |
| 22:16.42 | cklennard | tpr: then apt-get install mysql |
| 22:17.16 | simonrvn | that ffs wasn't from anything in here |
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| 22:17.45 | simonrvn | mysql-server |
| 22:17.50 | cklennard | tpr: hm, try mysql_admin -u root -p status |
| 22:17.51 | tpr | cklennard: well eh its not like i havent installed mysql, it worked, before I installed some dev lib pckg :) |
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| 22:18.14 | simonrvn | or variants... |
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| 22:18.24 | poser | s |
| 22:18.46 | tpr | cklennard: its mysqladmin ;p and that one just says that connect to server at ´localhost´ failed, and then gives me the error about the socket |
| 22:19.10 | tpr | the socket does not exist where it tries to connect |
| 22:19.28 | grumbel | I have a 'broken' ~5 year old cd-r, some of the data on it is still readable, someother however is not, what is the best way to make a iso of it (dd interupts at 200mb in one drive and at 500mb on another)? can I make dd to ignore read errors or is there another tool? |
| 22:19.42 | cklennard | tpr: ah ok, try to stop the thing with the init script and then restart |
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| 22:20.07 | jjb123 | it wount mount. I type in mount /cdrom and it wount work |
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| 22:20.28 | simonrvn | 'won't' |
| 22:20.31 | cklennard | tpr: could you connect to the server before installing the dev libs |
| 22:20.33 | jjb123 | is that what i am spossed to use for a cd |
| 22:20.42 | tpr | cklennard: yes, and no luck using the script to stop and then start again |
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| 22:21.04 | simonrvn | gods, where did you learn how to spell, from comic books? |
| 22:21.06 | tpr | cklennard: Im no expert, but I think something got changed and now it tries to connect to a socket that doesnt exist |
| 22:21.07 | cklennard | tpr: and did you create a db with correct grand tables |
| 22:21.08 | rr72 | hey foo |
| 22:21.18 | rr72 | where can i apt-get tcl? |
| 22:21.26 | deadcat | simonrvn: HAHAHAH |
| 22:21.31 | tpr | cklennard: um well I am not quite sure :) |
| 22:21.32 | deadcat | simonrvn: american kids |
| 22:21.33 | cklennard | tpr: well than check the path especially the perms of the files and dirs |
| 22:21.34 | simonrvn | !tell rr72 -about search |
| 22:21.42 | rr72 | im to lazy |
| 22:21.42 | tpr | cklennard: all i know is that it worked before I upgraded mysqltcl |
| 22:21.46 | rr72 | im not reading all that |
| 22:21.48 | simonrvn | deadcat: "education" system |
| 22:21.50 | shingouz | jjb123: in fstab, where was the cd supposed to be mounted? |
| 22:21.50 | jetscreamer | yes you can make dd ignore errors iirc |
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| 22:21.56 | simonrvn | rr72: tough luck foo' |
| 22:21.59 | deadcat | simonrvn: ya.. |
| 22:22.14 | simonrvn | rr72: *plonk* |
| 22:22.16 | rr72 | i like badgers |
| 22:22.22 | cklennard | tpr: has the mysqld rwx on the dir where the socket is to be createde |
| 22:22.22 | rr72 | *couagrs |
| 22:22.24 | jetscreamer | grumbel: yes you can make dd ignore errors iirc |
| 22:22.27 | jetscreamer | man dd |
| 22:22.27 | simonrvn | /ig -replies rr72 |
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| 22:22.45 | tpr | cklennard: actually, there IS no mysqld dir in /var/run |
| 22:22.54 | rr72 | where is it? |
| 22:22.55 | L00thar | So what's the best .deb for desktop DNS caching? |
| 22:23.20 | rr72 | gimme a stupid cmd |
| 22:23.30 | L00thar | w |
| 22:23.30 | jetscreamer | that dns thingy eh |
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| 22:23.35 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search dns |
| 22:23.56 | L00thar | jetscreamer: a useless reply. thanx anyway. |
| 22:23.59 | jetscreamer | bind9 cache thing something i forget |
| 22:24.04 | jetscreamer | L00thar: no it's not |
| 22:24.09 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search |
| 22:24.23 | jetscreamer | there is a bind chache thing i forget the name |
| 22:24.23 | L00thar | jetscreamer: I'm looking for opinions -- not a lesson |
| 22:24.27 | simonrvn | L00thar: no it isn't useless. go do it you lazy mo'fo' |
| 22:24.32 | cklennard | tpr: thats not good, hm..whats with /usr/share/mysql |
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| 22:24.44 | L00thar | This place has got to be the worst... |
| 22:24.55 | jetscreamer | ok sorry L00thar i suck you're a god |
| 22:24.56 | tpr | cklennard: there isnt one..oh and I dont think mysql is running at all atm |
| 22:24.58 | simonrvn | L00thar: if you want opinions, go do a street poll with angus-reid |
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| 22:25.24 | L00thar | no, simonrvn: this place needs Miss Manners with a chainsaw. |
| 22:25.25 | simonrvn | if you can't do the work, get out of the kitchen |
| 22:25.34 | simonrvn | L00thar: kiss my ass |
| 22:25.37 | cklennard | tpr: ok, than try /var/lib/ |
| 22:25.47 | L00thar | Both of you are a disgrace to Debian |
| 22:25.49 | jetscreamer | i have a chainsaw |
| 22:25.54 | tpr | cklennard: more luck in there ;> |
| 22:26.00 | simonrvn | freaking ms. grundy fuckers |
| 22:26.03 | jetscreamer | yes i feel really bad you don't like me |
| 22:26.03 | cklennard | tpr: pheeww |
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| 22:26.16 | cklennard | tpr: is there a socket |
| 22:26.18 | L00thar | So I ask again: what's the best .deb for desktop DNS caching? |
| 22:26.32 | deadcat | L00thar: dont think we gonna help you.. |
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| 22:26.50 | tpr | cklennard: if its something containing the word 'sock' or 'socket' in it, no there isnt ;) |
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| 22:26.57 | jetscreamer | and i answer again: apt-cache search, it has bind and/or dnscache in the name |
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| 22:27.11 | rr72 | how do i add devel and test to my apt |
| 22:27.11 | j_k | L00thar: try the existing ones, and you'll see by yourself. |
| 22:27.16 | cklennard | tpr: try ls -la on the dir and lock for something like srwxrwxrwx |
| 22:27.20 | shingouz | L00thar: you actually think that is going to help you? do your own homework and test all the different *debs if you like to find the "best" one |
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| 22:27.33 | tpr | cklennard: none |
| 22:27.37 | L00thar | deadcat: This place CONSTANTLY insults people with lame RTFM stuff -- if they're not just plain rude. |
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| 22:27.47 | deadcat | L00thar: what you gonna do? |
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| 22:27.51 | Guerin | who the fuck is this L00thar character? |
| 22:27.54 | pudo | hi all |
| 22:27.55 | jetscreamer | rr72 there is no devel.. there is an experimental, but it really is |
| 22:27.58 | caonex | I recently installed linux and while I try to boot it, I get the following error: root (hd1,0) filesystem type unknown. Partition type 0xF. Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition. By the way, the root filesystem is a sata drive /dev/sda1 and grub told me it was hd1,0 so i do not think that can be wrong, what could it be? The filesystem is reiserfs, thanks. |
| 22:27.59 | jetscreamer | !experimental |
| 22:27.59 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 22:28.03 | shingouz | L00thar: that is because stupid people ask idiotic questions |
| 22:28.11 | L00thar | j_k: The whole point of coming _should_ be to find out what OTHERS *already* know. Imagine! |
| 22:28.12 | tpr | cklennard: all this dir has is ib_arch_log_00000000, ib_logfile0, ib_logfile1, ibdata1, mysql (dir) and one db dir |
| 22:28.22 | Guerin | L00thar: you want to go to ##debian or #debian_ |
| 22:28.33 | rr72 | i need to apt-get tcl but it doesnt work |
| 22:28.35 | jetscreamer | rr72: there is contrib and non-free also |
| 22:28.39 | tpr | cklennard: /var/lib/mysql/mysql then again has a lot of .MYD, .MYI and .frm files |
| 22:28.41 | FieldySnuts | @troll L00thar |
| 22:28.47 | rr72 | how do i add all to my apt |
| 22:28.50 | Guerin | L00thar: and once they've made the smallest effort to try and understand for themselves, they can ask for help. |
| 22:28.54 | j_k | rr72: apt-cache search ^tcl |
| 22:28.58 | simonrvn | L00thar: well it's plainly obvious you didn't do any reading otherwise you would be able to answer that question on your own |
| 22:29.02 | L00thar | Guerin: There should be a #debian_experts_only where the clique here can hang out undisturbed. |
| 22:29.03 | pngwn | L00thar, I think there is a debian girls channel for all you weenie arms |
| 22:29.06 | deadcat | rr72: /etc/apt/sources.list. if you dont know that. you shouldnt be adding it |
| 22:29.09 | cklennard | tpr: that sounds quite normal |
| 22:29.14 | jetscreamer | rr72 the package name is probably a bit different, apt-cache search tcl will give you a biig long list though... too big |
| 22:29.18 | FieldySnuts | L00thar: if you don't like it, leave. |
| 22:29.24 | cklennard | tpr: so we have to create the socket by hand |
| 22:29.25 | shingouz | L00thar: this is |
| 22:29.33 | simonrvn | hey, no need to get stupid with sexist comments |
| 22:29.36 | rr72 | is woody still supported? |
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| 22:29.38 | Guerin | L00thar: go and add your services to either ##debian or #debian_ |
| 22:29.44 | cklennard | tpr: first check that in my.cnf the path to the socket is correct |
| 22:29.45 | tpr | cklennard: is there a definate way to see if the mysql daemon (demon?) is running at all |
| 22:29.52 | pudo | hi all. anyone here willing to help me with some routing-related problems with Xen (specifically getting outound traffic to work and redirecting ports to VMs)? |
| 22:29.52 | tpr | ie, is the freakin server even up |
| 22:30.00 | jetscreamer | by 'girlie' he didn't mean 'female'... |
| 22:30.01 | cklennard | tpr: sure look in the log file :) |
| 22:30.01 | FieldySnuts | !medal ##channels |
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| 22:30.13 | jetscreamer | or is that yet another can of worms |
| 22:30.19 | cklennard | tpr: and or start the thing by hand |
| 22:30.20 | tpr | cklennard: which log file would that be :D |
| 22:30.25 | FieldySnuts | L00thar: oh shut up already. |
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| 22:30.32 | tpr | cklennard: i did with /etc/init.d/mysql start, i dont think it did anything tbh |
| 22:30.34 | simonrvn | L00thar: oh gimme a break. |
| 22:30.38 | L00thar | FieldySnuts: Hey piss off, bud. |
| 22:30.46 | jetscreamer | why don't you just apt-cache search |
| 22:30.48 | deadcat | L00thar: we are not eleet. you just dont like helping you (= |
| 22:30.48 | FieldySnuts | could somebody +q this child? |
| 22:30.56 | L00thar | So I ask AGAIN: what's the best .deb for desktop DNS caching? |
| 22:30.58 | jetscreamer | you could have already had one installed |
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| 22:31.04 | cklennard | tpr: uhm, either /var/log/mysql* or /var/lib/mysql/ mysqld.log |
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| 22:31.09 | simonrvn | could have found what you wanted already if you hadn't whined for 20 minutes |
| 22:31.11 | shingouz | L00thar: and you get the same answer. apt-cache search |
| 22:31.20 | FieldySnuts | if I knew the answer, i wouldn't give it to you, solely because you're being an ass hat. |
| 22:31.22 | L00thar | shingouz: Not an answer. |
| 22:31.22 | rr72 | the version i need isnt on the klist |
| 22:31.26 | Guerin | L00thar: depends what you mean by best. |
| 22:31.28 | simonrvn | L00thar: *plonk* |
| 22:31.41 | FieldySnuts | heh, good luck using debian then |
| 22:31.41 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 22:31.41 | L00thar | Guerin: Now, we have a dialog... |
| 22:31.41 | dpkg | it has been said that plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
| 22:31.44 | shingouz | L00thar: yes it is. it is impossible to tell the "best" deb without knowing what you mean with best |
| 22:31.50 | Gathond | L00thar: like most other things in life there is no absolute answer, so find one that suits you ... if you even bother having one and not just using you ISP's |
| 22:32.02 | jetscreamer | rr72: then you'll have to look elsewhere i guess... :( what's a k list btw |
| 22:32.07 | rr72 | list |
| 22:32.10 | rr72 | typoo |
| 22:32.12 | FieldySnuts | !list |
| 22:32.12 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 22:32.14 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:32.14 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 22:32.19 | pureone | lol |
| 22:32.25 | Guerin | L00thar: why should *I* have to prompt you for more specific information? Why not jujst come out with it at first? Particularly since you already know better than the rest of us... |
| 22:32.31 | L00thar | Gathond: I'm not trying to engage in a logic debate -- just asking what the consensus is. |
| 22:32.35 | FieldySnuts | apt: nslookup warez.dal.net |
| 22:32.52 | L00thar | Guerin: I asked a simple, straightforward Q. |
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| 22:32.56 | rr72 | apt: apt-get intall tcl |
| 22:32.57 | simonrvn | amazing how the tension drops by a kilometre when an /ignore is set |
| 22:33.03 | j_k | L00thar: there's no consensus about such things. |
| 22:33.04 | shingouz | L00thar: the consensus seems to be that your question does not make a lot of sense. reformat it |
| 22:33.04 | FieldySnuts | L00thar: no you didn't. you managed to piss off the people who actually know. figure it out on your own. |
| 22:33.12 | jetscreamer | rr72 what package is it exactly |
| 22:33.16 | rr72 | idk |
| 22:33.22 | rr72 | i need it for eggdrop |
| 22:33.26 | tpr | cklennard: the log files most of them are sort of empty :f |
| 22:33.32 | tpr | damn i never shouldve upgraded |
| 22:33.35 | L00thar | shingouz: I think the clue was in the word "desktop". But of course all the loud ones somehow missed that. |
| 22:33.44 | Guerin | L00thar: if it was me, I'd run a bind9 on my gateway or someplace else ... but that's because I already know bind. There are other, simpler namedss out there which would probably be more appropriate for others. |
| 22:33.50 | shingouz | L00thar: yes, we all are clueless here |
| 22:33.51 | rr72 | jetscreamer~ i need to manulally install eggdrop |
| 22:33.55 | jetscreamer | rr72 eggdrop is in sid afaicr, so the needed libs 'should' be available |
| 22:34.04 | cklennard | tpr: hehe, ok check the config files for correct paths |
| 22:34.08 | jetscreamer | !depends eggdrop |
| 22:34.09 | FieldySnuts | we're not clueless, in fact many of us are admins for our jobs. we just don't like helping ass clowns. |
| 22:34.10 | dpkg | eggdrop: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), tcl8.4 (>= 8.4.5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), eggdrop-data (= 1.6.17-3) |
| 22:34.12 | j_k | rr72: it should be easy to check out 'apt-cache search ^tcl'. |
| 22:34.19 | drac_ | !info eggdrop sarge |
| 22:34.21 | dpkg | eggdrop: (Advanced IRC Robot), section net, is extra. Version: 1.6.17-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 459 kB, Installed size: 1144 kB |
| 22:34.24 | Guerin | L00thar: why are you playing games? just say what you need, with specificity. Don't give 'clues' and then get snarky when we ignore them as too-hard. |
| 22:34.38 | jetscreamer | !info tcl8.4 |
| 22:34.42 | L00thar | FieldySnuts: It's easy, somehow to piss off anyone anytime here. I've already pointed out how youse all drive away newbies by the droves. |
| 22:34.44 | dpkg | tcl8.4: (Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.4 - run-time files), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 8.4.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1089 kB, Installed size: 3132 kB |
| 22:34.49 | simonrvn | i'm not employed in the regular sense, but yes, i admin stuff |
| 22:34.51 | FieldySnuts | @ops L00thar trolling |
| 22:34.51 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: L00thar trolling |
| 22:34.52 | jetscreamer | !info tcl8.4 sarge |
| 22:34.57 | dpkg | tcl8.4: (Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.4 - run-time files), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 8.4.9-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1089 kB, Installed size: 3132 kB |
| 22:35.07 | rr72 | should i upgrade to sarge? |
| 22:35.11 | rr72 | i have woody |
| 22:35.13 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 22:35.19 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: just use /ignore |
| 22:35.22 | FieldySnuts | roger |
| 22:35.23 | Guerin | rr72: yes. |
| 22:35.25 | helix | hmm, FieldySnuts saying someone is trolling... amusing |
| 22:35.28 | jetscreamer | well i would say HELL YEAH but ymmv |
| 22:35.29 | rr72 | damnit |
| 22:35.32 | FieldySnuts | helix: :D |
| 22:35.34 | Guerin | rr72: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 22:35.36 | joel_ | trolling is fun, I agree |
| 22:35.43 | jetscreamer | !woody... nm |
| 22:35.44 | rr72 | Guerin~ thx |
| 22:35.49 | rr72 | msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 22:35.53 | Xinux | how do I configure the mail server for apache? |
| 22:35.56 | jetscreamer | / |
| 22:35.59 | Guerin | rr72: put a / in fromt, ftlog |
| 22:36.01 | jetscreamer | rr72 / |
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| 22:36.05 | rr72 | lmao |
| 22:36.06 | rr72 | i know |
| 22:36.10 | rr72 | its funny rgi |
| 22:36.11 | Guerin | Xinux: this question does not compute |
| 22:36.12 | rr72 | tho |
| 22:36.14 | FieldySnuts | Xinux: can you be more specific? the question doesn't make sense (apache does not have an mta) |
| 22:36.30 | Xinux | well i need to install a mail server |
| 22:36.31 | tpr | cklennard: well the few dirs that are there are the socket and pid file, and the dir exists now but obviously the files dont |
| 22:36.33 | jetscreamer | he didn't say the apache mta |
| 22:36.36 | L00thar | You know, I wouldn't mind being ignored by the clique here, really. |
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| 22:36.40 | jetscreamer | you have one xinux |
| 22:36.41 | simonrvn | ldapwhoami |
| 22:36.41 | simonrvn | SASL/GSSAPI authentication started |
| 22:36.41 | Guerin | Xinux: chances are you have one installed already |
| 22:36.45 | simonrvn | woops ECHAN |
| 22:36.49 | Xinux | where |
| 22:36.56 | Xinux | becuz i got a member system made |
| 22:36.58 | rr72 | Guerin~ do all taht and i will have sarge? |
| 22:37.01 | Xinux | and it has activation |
| 22:37.04 | Guerin | rr72: affirmative |
| 22:37.05 | jetscreamer | Xinux: if it's a d-i install, it's exim4 |
| 22:37.07 | Xinux | and i need a mail server so that will work |
| 22:37.08 | L00thar | So I ask AGAIN: what's the best .deb for desktop DNS caching? |
| 22:37.12 | FieldySnuts | Xinux: it's completely seperate software, called an mta. examples are sendmail (boo, hiss), postfix (liked by many here), exim (liked by many here) |
| 22:37.13 | rr72 | Guerin~ ty so damn much |
| 22:37.24 | shingouz | L00thar: bind9. now go away |
| 22:37.25 | jetscreamer | why do you ask again |
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| 22:37.27 | FieldySnuts | L00thar: your question doesn't even make sense... we've tried to tell you that. |
| 22:37.30 | Guerin | Xinux: be less vague |
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| 22:37.54 | cklennard | tpr: now mysql_install_db |
| 22:38.05 | jetscreamer | hang on l00thar i'm getting your answer ready |
| 22:38.07 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: methinks that's like telling fish not to live in water |
| 22:38.08 | cklennard | tpr: is that command available |
| 22:38.14 | tpr | cklennard: no, its not |
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| 22:38.26 | Xinux | FieldySnuts: How do I install MTA?? |
| 22:38.28 | jetscreamer | L00thar: http://www.google.com/linux?q=best+.deb+for+desktop+DNS+caching&restrict=linux |
| 22:38.35 | Guerin | he wants to run a caching named. there are a bunch of possibles, of which bind is potentially the most complicated, but since it's the one I know, it's the only one I can really recommend. dnsmasq might work too. |
| 22:38.35 | L00thar | FieldySnuts: I am old enuff and experienced enuff to know very well that you just dont ever want to back down. |
| 22:38.39 | jetscreamer | Xinux: you have one |
| 22:38.46 | cklennard | tpr: and mysqld_safe or safe_mysqld |
| 22:38.54 | FieldySnuts | okay, i thought I could tolerate your lameness, but you're ignored. i encourage others to do the same |
| 22:38.55 | jetscreamer | Xinux: try dpkg -l exim4 |
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| 22:39.01 | tpr | cklennard: neither |
| 22:39.06 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 22:39.06 | dpkg | [plonk] the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
| 22:39.14 | Guerin | L00thar: if that's the case, why can't you figure out your own named? Or was this whole thing a troll to 'test' us? |
| 22:39.16 | FieldySnuts | I'll agree with exim4. you'll then want to read its docs, because we can't handhold you through every step, no offense |
| 22:39.17 | cklennard | tpr: *ggrrrr* |
| 22:39.20 | shingouz | L00thar: you are not old and experienced enough to have manners |
| 22:39.23 | tpr | cklennard: hmm, I could reinstall everything |
| 22:39.25 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: it's sunday. they're allowed to get away with it. |
| 22:39.27 | tpr | but I want a backup of the database |
| 22:39.28 | simonrvn | @plonk is <reply>[plonk] the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
| 22:39.29 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 22:39.33 | j_k | Xinux: what version of Debian are you running (cat /etc/debian_version) ? |
| 22:39.38 | tpr | cklennard: is it enough if I just copy the dir from mysql ? |
| 22:39.55 | L00thar | man, but I ask a simple question!! ANd I just have to go back and spend hours researching on my own -- when I have other things to do. |
| 22:40.02 | Xinux | j_k: im on a debian-based distro |
| 22:40.04 | cklennard | tpr: *lol* ok do cp -rp on the complete /var/lib/mysql dir |
| 22:40.14 | shingouz | L00thar: define "best" |
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| 22:40.25 | L00thar | I just want the desktop DNS that people prefer. SImple. |
| 22:40.26 | cklennard | tpr: if you have created another db this db has its own subdir |
| 22:40.28 | DerSchotte | My LVM is up again and migrated to LVM2 :D \o/ |
| 22:40.31 | j_k | Xinux: isn't there a channel for your debian based distro ? |
| 22:40.32 | cklennard | tpr: normally at least |
| 22:40.36 | L00thar | I don;t want a server one. |
| 22:40.44 | rr72 | Guerin~ i only changed one stable to sarge tho |
| 22:40.47 | Guerin | i prefer /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:40.47 | Xinux | j_k: yes but nobody is active there right now |
| 22:40.51 | rr72 | Guerin~ is taht ok? |
| 22:40.58 | cklennard | tpr: under mysql you find the db stuff that the server needs like grand tables etc |
| 22:41.02 | tpr | cklennard: ive done CREATE DATABASE and a TABLE for it |
| 22:41.02 | shingouz | ffs L00thar, just google it. we do not use desktop DNS here |
| 22:41.17 | L00thar | ffs? |
| 22:41.19 | j_k | Xinux: try to 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4', but we can't help you much. |
| 22:41.22 | shingouz | !ffs |
| 22:41.23 | dpkg | somebody said ffs was for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 22:41.23 | FieldySnuts | shingouz / Guerin he won't listen, join me and others in using ignore |
| 22:41.24 | rr72 | Guerin~ u there? |
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| 22:41.37 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: good idea. plonk |
| 22:41.38 | Guerin | rr72: if there are any instances of 'stable' or 'woody' remaining, change them to sarge. If there's anything which starts with non-us, delete it. |
| 22:41.52 | rr72 | even cds? |
| 22:41.54 | L00thar | geeze shingouz: why not just save the bandwidth. |
| 22:42.05 | Guerin | rr72: no, delete your cd lines too |
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| 22:42.06 | rr72 | eb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:42.10 | cklennard | tpr: well then there has to be a dir with that name |
| 22:42.11 | Xinux | j_k: can you test it out?: http://24.217.120.228/register.php |
| 22:42.24 | j_k | Xinux: test what out? |
| 22:42.29 | Xinux | the member system |
| 22:42.36 | Xinux | it sends a activation key |
| 22:42.39 | Xinux | which needs a mail server |
| 22:42.41 | rr72 | Guerin~ how many lines total do i need in the source? |
| 22:42.43 | tpr | cklennard: indeed there is |
| 22:42.45 | L00thar | gawd, what a geeky useless bunch. No wonder Linux didn't overtake MS.. |
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| 22:42.47 | FieldySnuts | which you haven't configured/installed |
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| 22:42.55 | Guerin | rr72: minimum 1; maximum lots. |
| 22:42.56 | cklennard | tpr: :) |
| 22:43.03 | dominik | hi |
| 22:43.09 | j_k | Xinux: sorry, no. |
| 22:43.13 | rr72 | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:43.17 | rr72 | taht it? |
| 22:43.18 | tpr | cklennard: im backing that up and reinstalling everything :D |
| 22:43.18 | Guerin | desktop dns? wtf is that anyway? |
| 22:43.27 | tpr | cklennard: thanks for your great help and patience hehe |
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| 22:43.47 | shingouz | Guerin: prolly something that can be pointed and drooled at |
| 22:43.53 | SPF | hmm, my screen is stuck, hit a wrong key (I think 's'), how can I force it to reattach? |
| 22:43.54 | dominik | is anybody here who could tell me how to setup exim for cyrus using this conf.d system, I'm trying to do it, but it won't work ... |
| 22:44.03 | cklennard | tpr: ok, but before try a final dpkg-reconfigure mysql |
| 22:44.06 | j_k | rr72: you need to add a network source, such as 'deb http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian sarge main', where XX is your country code. |
| 22:44.11 | m0p | I've just installed GD for PHP and I can use it to include images and create a PNG header, but none of the draw functions work |
| 22:44.15 | m0p | :( |
| 22:44.16 | PerfDave | SPF: Ctrl-Q at a guess :) |
| 22:44.19 | Guerin | shingouz: i *think* he wanted a local caching named... but he specifically said he didn't want a server, so the hell I know. |
| 22:44.31 | SPF | already tried ctrl+q, didnt work |
| 22:44.33 | PerfDave | How can you have a named that isn't a server? *boggle* |
| 22:44.38 | SPF | I'm sure the screen is still active |
| 22:44.41 | Guerin | rr72: please don't message me. |
| 22:44.46 | rr72 | Guerin~ sorry |
| 22:44.50 | Guerin | rr72: that line is only for security |
| 22:44.53 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 22:44.58 | tpr | cklennard: blah its just giving me cannot connect to X server even though im running X..have a few "bugs" to fix still in this new system ;) |
| 22:45.00 | Guerin | rr72: you also want a line which has 'main' in it |
| 22:45.01 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 22:45.08 | rr72 | j_k helped me |
| 22:45.10 | j_k | rr72: see the sarge release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge for instructions about upgrading. |
| 22:45.16 | Guerin | oh, i see |
| 22:45.24 | cklennard | tpr: huh, what can not connect to X |
| 22:45.31 | tpr | cklennard: indeed 'huh' :> |
| 22:45.35 | covux | hm. initrd-tools 0.1.80 seem to be borked. just installed fresh netinstall sarge (only base packages) upgraded to unstable and initrd-tools are unable to find bin/root |
| 22:45.39 | simonrvn | i think some people are confused as to what constitutes a daemon, a server, and desktop |
| 22:46.11 | simonrvn | covux: then file a bug |
| 22:46.12 | tpr | I like debian but man does it come with a lot of problems for a beginner |
| 22:46.22 | tpr | not debian prolly only ;F |
| 22:46.33 | cklennard | tpr: normally it should be really smooth |
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| 22:47.03 | tpr | cklennard: within a month ive setup 3 different debian systems, and always some problems coming up :/ |
| 22:47.22 | tpr | cklennard: granted some are propably extremely easy and simple but without any previous experience, sometimes have to read A LOT to fix em |
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| 22:47.49 | ali4728 | Help How do i instal php-mysql module apt-get install php4-mysql doesnt work |
| 22:47.51 | pngwn | tpr, that's how you learn |
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| 22:48.05 | tpr | yeah indeed, and i must say ive also learned a lot during this time |
| 22:48.15 | pngwn | ;) |
| 22:48.31 | tpr | but i figure i still got a few times more things to learn in the future ;) |
| 22:48.50 | stouset | ali4728: It would help if you would tell us what didn't work about trying to install php4-mysql. |
| 22:49.02 | ali4728 | yeap |
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| 22:49.18 | SPF | hmm, my screen is stuck, hit a wrong key (I think 's'), how can I force it to reattach? ctrl+q doesn't work |
| 22:49.26 | rr72 | j_k~ thc for u help |
| 22:49.33 | rr72 | im updating righ tnow |
| 22:49.35 | j_k | SPF: C-q |
| 22:49.36 | Gathond | SPF: press ctrl -q |
| 22:49.37 | simonrvn | we heard you the first time. try screen -r |
| 22:49.47 | SPF | already tried |
| 22:49.51 | SPF | none of the above work |
| 22:49.58 | darGor | i've this problem, when i put a MusicCD (Wav Format) , i try to play it and say me the error : "Impossible to open file Wav Type. Unknown File" |
| 22:50.15 | simonrvn | then it's either dead, or you're not doing it correctly |
| 22:50.15 | darGor | anyone can help me ? im tryin' and i cant solve it.. |
| 22:50.20 | stouset | darGor: In what program? |
| 22:50.20 | ali4728 | <stouset> yes any other easy way to get php |
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| 22:50.34 | Guerin | ali4728: which apache? |
| 22:50.36 | j_k | SPF: scroll lock? |
| 22:50.39 | stouset | ali4728: I can't help you unless you tell me *what doesn't work*. |
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| 22:50.50 | stouset | SPF: Are you using a laptop? |
| 22:50.50 | ali4728 | <Guerin> apache 2 |
| 22:50.57 | darGor | stouset, xmms, totem, all |
| 22:51.02 | ali4728 | Help How do i instal php-mysql module apt-get install php4-mysql doesnt work |
| 22:51.07 | stouset | darGor: You get the *same* error in all of them? |
| 22:51.07 | Guerin | ali4728: apt-cache search apache2 php4 mysql |
| 22:51.08 | rr72 | it takes a while |
| 22:51.12 | darGor | stouset, the strange is, yesterday i can play audio cd, jejeej. |
| 22:51.17 | SPF | I'm now using putty |
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| 22:51.31 | j_k | !tell darGor about ask |
| 22:51.38 | Gathond | ali4728: how, does apt-get install php4-mysql fail? |
| 22:51.38 | SPF | on a laptop yes |
| 22:51.49 | stouset | Gathond: That doesn't return anything :-) |
| 22:51.56 | darGor | stouset: yep, same error, unknown file wav type |
| 22:51.56 | SPF | scrollock has no effect |
| 22:52.13 | darGor | j_k. wtf (??) |
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| 22:52.22 | Gathond | stouset: i saw it:) just thought I might as well try to:) |
| 22:52.23 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you |
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| 22:52.41 | ali4728 | <Gathond> # apt-get install php-mysql |
| 22:52.41 | ali4728 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 22:52.41 | ali4728 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 22:52.41 | ali4728 | E: Couldn't find package php-mysql |
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| 22:52.51 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 22:53.04 | SPF | when I type "screen -d <pid>" I get a new line, all chars I type there I see except for ^Q |
| 22:53.14 | Rawplayer | maybe i'am gonne call a machine Gathond |
| 22:53.15 | Gathond | ali4728: try php4-mysql instead |
| 22:53.27 | stouset | Gathond: He was kicked. Flood. |
| 22:53.28 | j_k | darGor: oh, sorry, didn't see your first message. |
| 22:53.35 | Gathond | stouset: he rejoined:) |
| 22:53.49 | darGor | j_k: np |
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| 22:54.05 | SPF | can I see what modes a screen is in? xoff xon? |
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| 22:54.15 | stouset | Gathond: Ah, wow, missed that. :-) |
| 22:54.15 | darGor | stouset, did u know which can be the problem ? |
| 22:54.29 | stouset | darGor: Nope, sorry. No clue :-) Did you do an update recently? |
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| 22:55.30 | darGor | stouset, yep, but, i cant actualize gstreamer. that can be the prob, yeah? it don't accept me to actualize gstreamer-0.8lame |
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| 22:56.31 | stouset | darGor: You should install gstreamer0.8-plugins (I think that is the name of the package) |
| 22:56.33 | tpr | christ cannot connect to X server, im running it u twat! :p |
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| 22:56.54 | symtab | hello...can someone tell me how can i update the gnome menu when i install a new application? |
| 22:57.04 | darGor | stouset, oki i'll try with apt. |
| 22:58.20 | darGor | stouset, strange, I've the most recently gstreamer plugins. |
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| 23:00.00 | Strife | ok, I apologize for not remembering this, but isn't there some generic command that you can use to start/stop services? (e.g., apache) |
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| 23:00.21 | dondelelcaro | Strife: /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 23:00.21 | dorijan | normally you have a command for each in /etc/init.d |
| 23:00.31 | Strife | excellent |
| 23:00.33 | Strife | thanks |
| 23:00.41 | stouset | darGor: Are you using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer? |
| 23:00.43 | Gathond | Strife: /etc/init.d/daemon_name stop generally |
| 23:00.50 | Strife | see, but I thought there was some other more generic command? |
| 23:00.54 | Strife | maybe I'm thinking of something |
| 23:00.58 | Strife | something else* |
| 23:01.02 | dondelelcaro | no, there isn't. |
| 23:01.12 | Strife | all righty |
| 23:01.13 | Strife | thanks |
| 23:01.23 | dondelelcaro | some distributions have something like 'service', but Debian just uses the initscripts for that |
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| 23:01.40 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 23:01.42 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.10, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.12-rc4-git6, 2.4: 2.4.30, prepatch: 2.4.31-pre2, snapshot: 2.4.31-pre2-bk2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc4-mm2 |
| 23:01.42 | SPF | I'm still having problems with reattaching screens, It seems like the commands for screen are still working e.g. ^A^F ^A^Q |
| 23:01.58 | SPF | but I cannot see the screen itself |
| 23:02.24 | simonrvn | ^l, or 'reset'. see if it's just a messed up term |
| 23:02.25 | SPF | and I can see the chars I type, not all keys generate chars |
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| 23:03.11 | darGor | stouset, totem-xine, but i play my music with xmms. |
| 23:03.21 | SPF | it doesn't work |
| 23:03.27 | Strife | is anyone in here familiar with samba? and particularly, getting swat up and running? |
| 23:03.39 | SPF | this is what I see : $ screen -dr rizon |
| 23:03.41 | SPF | ^A^B^A^A^A^A^Al^A^L^A^L^A^L^AZ |
| 23:03.58 | stouset | darGor: Well, totem-xine nor xmms use gstreamer :-) So that is not likely to the be the source of your problem. |
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| 23:04.15 | stouset | darGor: I would recommend trying to use totem-gstreamer for a sec, just to see if xine is the culprit. |
| 23:04.30 | darGor | oki stouset i'll try. thanks |
| 23:04.56 | covux | simonrvn: done |
| 23:05.14 | Strife | is there a startup script for swat, or do I need to just add the appropriate line to inetd.conf and then restart inetd? |
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| 23:06.58 | MrKeuner | hi, why would I get this error? dh_compress: command returned error code 512 make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 |
| 23:07.06 | stouset | Strife: Check /usr/share/doc/swat |
| 23:07.27 | stouset | MrKeuner: google "dh_compress error 512"? |
| 23:07.33 | SPF | sigh |
| 23:07.40 | simonrvn | covux: cool. now just sit and wait for a reply, and then the maintainer and you will debug it - do what you can, and if you don't know how, just ask them, they'll be happy to help |
| 23:07.47 | MrKeuner | stouset/ of course I did |
| 23:07.53 | cheale1 | hi, I've been recommended to not use an initrd when compiling a kernel, but my kernels panic with errors like "VFS: Cannot open root device "hda3" or unknown-block(0,0)" I compiled ext3 in, but ext2 as a module. could that be the problem? all my fs are ext3. I'm using a stock 2.6.8 ATM and ext2 module is loaded |
| 23:07.54 | rr72 | should i have init1 to update to sarge? |
| 23:08.00 | stouset | MrKeuner: Dunno then :-( Was just a thought. |
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| 23:08.10 | PerfDave | !wayc cheale1 |
| 23:08.11 | dpkg | cheale1: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 23:08.25 | jasoncohen | i setup my LVM partition in the sarge installer but it's not mounted and it isn't in fstab. how do i add it? |
| 23:08.35 | Strife | stouset: there's nothing in there of any help |
| 23:08.36 | jasoncohen | is there a way to re-run that partitioning utility? |
| 23:08.44 | rr72 | cfdisk |
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| 23:09.03 | rr72 | jasoncohen~ cfdisk |
| 23:09.11 | SPF | sigh |
| 23:09.18 | john | how can i start proftpd |
| 23:09.26 | SPF | ah well, must be a screen bug then nobody knows about |
| 23:09.39 | covux | simonrvn: k. first ill try to freeze sarge initrd-tools on upgrade to sid. |
| 23:09.45 | SPF | ppl cannot know everything |
| 23:09.49 | tpr | okey I obviously dont have permission to access the X server as root, I tried fixing this with xhost +local:root, but apparently im "unable to open display "" ", suggestions? :P |
| 23:09.58 | christor | Please I m running a web server apache2 but extremely slow, how can I debug the problem? |
| 23:10.08 | tpr | oh yeah, Im logged in as another user but su - root to apt-get install stuph |
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| 23:10.21 | shingouz | SPF: if you think that is a new bug, file a bugreport |
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| 23:11.29 | jasoncohen | rr72, cfdisk only shows my first disk and gparted doesn't work with xfs partitions. |
| 23:11.41 | jasoncohen | rr72, so there's no way to rerun that partitioning utility? |
| 23:11.52 | rr72 | jasoncohen~ i don't know |
| 23:11.57 | cklennard | tpr: still fighting... |
| 23:12.00 | cheale1 | PerfDave: I'm using NVIDIA's non-free driver and Andrew Schulman's howto suggested that changing a kernel option would avoid some crashes that I'm experimenting sometimes when vt-switching |
| 23:12.03 | rr72 | i thought thats what u mean |
| 23:12.16 | shingouz | cheale1: i think you need to have the ext2 there also as well as all the hardware you need to access the root partition, scsi drivers, ide drivers etc depending on your hardware |
| 23:12.26 | SPF | I'll just kill it I guess |
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| 23:13.16 | tpr | cklennard: for some weird reason new problems arised now i cannot apt-get install anything that wants xs to the X server.... |
| 23:13.21 | cheal | shingouz: yeah, a friend told me about IDE stuff :) so, I'll try with CONFIG_EXT2_FS=Y |
| 23:13.22 | tpr | cklennard: a bit weird but im workin on it :> |
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| 23:13.33 | shingouz | cheal: good luck |
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| 23:14.08 | cafuego | tpr: Just use 'sudo' |
| 23:14.13 | cklennard | tpr: whu would you need access to X |
| 23:14.25 | ailgom | hi to all i try to find a equivalent rotines to: VirtualDocumentRoot /usr/local/apache/vhosts/%0 for apache2, i migrate from woody apache 1.3 to sarge apache 2, anybody help-me? |
| 23:14.28 | tpr | cklennard: for instance mysql-server wants xs to it when im installing it |
| 23:14.45 | cheal | shingouz: don't worry, I've tried to be a good citizen in the past days, so maybe god helps me next compile |
| 23:14.45 | Strife | fsakl;jesw |
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| 23:15.02 | Strife | why the hell does EVERYTHING disappear in the "windows network"? |
| 23:15.07 | cklennard | tpr: eh you coose graphical installation, wow never used |
| 23:15.16 | shingouz | cheal: that and the dead chicken you wave over the computer you use to compile ;) |
| 23:15.20 | Strife | I can understand my non-windows computer disappearing, but why does the windows one disappear too? |
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| 23:15.29 | tpr | cklennard: i dont 'choose' anything really, the gui install chooses me ;) |
| 23:15.52 | cklennard | tpr: use aptitude then |
| 23:15.54 | cafuego | ailgom: mod-vhost-alias is already in apache2. just enabled it ('sudo a2enmod') |
| 23:15.59 | tpr | cafuego: mm could try that i suppose, i temporarily enabled root login to X, if this works then ill have a clue what this is abouit anyway |
| 23:16.05 | tpr | cklennard: now theres a new word for me :) |
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| 23:16.11 | cheal | shingouz: oh! I knew there's that last thing I forgot...thanks, man! |
| 23:16.15 | EvilSporkMan | is there any way to invert all colors in X? white is burning my eyes |
| 23:16.15 | shingouz | :) |
| 23:16.22 | cafuego | tpr: You can't currently access X because you have no $DISPLAY set. |
| 23:16.27 | cklennard | tpr: apt-get install aptitude |
| 23:16.36 | cafuego | tpr: Just using sudo always bypasses this sort of nonsense. |
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| 23:17.04 | ailgom | humm |
| 23:17.21 | tpr | cklennard: well in the end thats just a temporary solution as obviously something is wrong if i cant xs the X server from a freakin terminal :P |
| 23:17.28 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: as in make everything go negative? eeek! |
| 23:17.31 | tpr | cafuego: good to know |
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| 23:17.50 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: it's sounding like a good idea. the whiteness, it burns! |
| 23:18.16 | ailgom | how: Invalid command 'VirtualDocumentRoot', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration? |
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| 23:18.24 | cklennard | tpr: true, but X is a danerous virus. and we all have it |
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| 23:18.32 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: i'm not too sure it is a good idea. check the documentation on the video driver you have, some of them do inverted images iirc |
| 23:18.51 | ailgom | apache2 do not have a VirtualDocumentRoot directive, anybody used this? |
| 23:18.56 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: black on white for firefox and gaim would go a long way |
| 23:19.02 | tpr | cafuego: but i suppose then I do have a $DISPLAY set when loggin in as root |
| 23:19.20 | tpr | cklennard: OI! i dont got any of them viruses! :p |
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| 23:19.25 | cafuego | tpr: No, the trick is you ALWAYS run sudo and never log in as root. |
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| 23:20.03 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: maybe you could haxx0r firefox to use some custom colors. gaim.. some config file in it or perhaps a recompile after you have hacked the code into submission |
| 23:20.08 | cafuego | Hmm. ANyone using mailman here for mx lists? |
| 23:20.12 | tpr | cafuego: I get it, but, i mean OBVIOUSLY something is sort of f*cked up if I cant run programs from terminal as root (say apt-get install), so why settle for a solution that doesnt really even fix the problem |
| 23:20.16 | tpr | jsut bypasses it or someting |
| 23:20.47 | cafuego | tpr: I just fell out of bed, I know nothing about running apt-get as root |
| 23:21.09 | tpr | cafuego: oh :) |
| 23:21.13 | ailgom | \quit |
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| 23:22.45 | tpr | well in any case, im back in business :> |
| 23:23.04 | rr72 | how do i uninstall a prog with apt-get? |
| 23:23.16 | tpr | rr72: apt-get remove <packagename> |
| 23:23.26 | rr72 | k |
| 23:23.27 | rr72 | thx |
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| 23:24.10 | jim | tpr: if you have the ssh and sshd parameters set correctly on both sides of a link, you can ssh somewhere as root and run an x prog on the remote site displaying and taking input locally |
| 23:24.47 | RaCarter | how do you transfer files with ssh? |
| 23:24.49 | tpr | jim: for the time being my firewall doesnt let through ANYTHING, until I know what im doing ;) |
| 23:24.54 | shingouz | RaCarter: scp |
| 23:25.28 | jim | tpr: ok... but if that's the case how are you here now? :) |
| 23:26.11 | jim | you can consider that rhetorical if you like :) |
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| 23:27.47 | jim | RaCarter, sftp too |
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| 23:28.47 | tpr | jim: haha, well obviously only incoming ports are closed, however im ircing from another machine ;) |
| 23:29.27 | j_k | tpr: you mean 'only packets with a syn flag', right? :-P |
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| 23:29.53 | jim | tpr: note that you could also use the same technique to run programs remotely but on machines that are within your local net (and therefore also behind your fw) |
| 23:30.25 | mirak | is there a way to use the hardware mpeg2 decompression of ATI cards ? |
| 23:30.55 | leOn | cafuego: what about mailman ? |
| 23:31.43 | zinx | mirak: use windows? :/ |
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| 23:32.04 | RaCarter | I ssh from my windows machine using a ssh client to my linux machine, can I use ssh/scp to transfer files between the two systems? |
| 23:32.20 | leOn | RaCarter: yes, just use winscp |
| 23:32.32 | leOn | RaCarter: search for winscp3 |
| 23:32.44 | tpr | jim: i suppose ill get to that when the time is right |
| 23:32.47 | shingouz | mirak: check the mplayer and xserver manuals, they may have some hint on that |
| 23:32.58 | tpr | j_k: funny, really it is :D |
| 23:33.09 | shingouz | mirak: i am saying that what you propose is not trivial but it may be possible |
| 23:33.12 | jim | or, you'd get to it if there's any time left! |
| 23:33.30 | tpr | =) |
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| 23:33.59 | jim | so you're newly using linux? or? |
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| 23:35.02 | leOn | tpr: you wish to run something as root remotely having X exported to a local machine |
| 23:35.04 | Guerin | awright, why the fuck is there a drwx------ 2 root root 4096 2005-05-22 11:48 .aptitude dir in my ~ ? |
| 23:35.05 | leOn | is that it? |
| 23:35.12 | xst | I can see that my debian box is sending about 10k/sec out on the net. How can I find out which processes that is causing this net-output? |
| 23:36.08 | mirak | shiner840: ok |
| 23:36.15 | leOn | xst: you could use some iptables rules that usually are used for accounting |
| 23:36.29 | tpr | jim: well could say that yeah, ive ran two debians for a month or so |
| 23:36.54 | tpr | leOn: no need for that |
| 23:36.56 | xst | Hmm, I have just made a tcpdump and it produces tons of the following lines: 01:35:33.086917 IP 10.0.0.42.ssh > debian.36786: P 50192:50352(160) ack 49 win 2360 <nop,nop,timestamp 2660110110 11274725> |
| 23:36.58 | leOn | xst: or you could use netstat to find out which processes are using tcp connections and try to find out which |
| 23:36.59 | jim | what are you aiming for? what do you want to do |
| 23:37.15 | shingouz | shiner840: looks like the tab completion is too much :) |
| 23:37.17 | xst | I wonder if I have been hacked |
| 23:37.29 | Solet-deb | is it possable to mount a remote directory via ftp? |
| 23:37.41 | jim | xst: look at your auth.log |
| 23:37.45 | leOn | xst: replace the procps package and netutils too |
| 23:37.56 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:37.56 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 23:37.57 | tpr | at the moment I just want to get mysql up and running, and im now configuring it so going just nicely, jim :), in general Ill just want a better understanding how things actually work, ive known how to 'use' linux for a long time but configuring it all and maintaining a system I never really understood fully |
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| 23:39.36 | jim | primarily, linux/unix has been deployed in multiuser/centralized-server kinds of uses... so configuring/tuning has been for the purpose of letting users do what they want up to the point of altering shared resources |
| 23:40.30 | xst | Damn, there is quite a lot of connection tryouts here: Tons of May 22 16:06:35 server sshd[4292]: Failed password for root from ::ffff:61.218.70.50 port 1338 ssh2 |
| 23:40.46 | tpr | jim: well not to diss windows I happen to think its mostly a working environment but thats one of the thinsg im wanting to experience, having no 'things that just happen even though I dont want em to'-kind of programs or 'features' :) |
| 23:40.58 | cklennard | xst: sounds normal |
| 23:41.29 | xst | I have ofcourse disabled root-login through ssh |
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| 23:41.35 | Guerin | xst: you run your sshd on 1338? |
| 23:41.41 | Guerin | and it STILL gets hit? |
| 23:41.51 | xst | Guerin: No, port 22 |
| 23:42.08 | Guerin | xst: oh, the inbound is coming from 1338 |
| 23:42.12 | jim | 1338 is probably the port they're coming in on? |
| 23:42.14 | Guerin | i guess |
| 23:42.29 | cklennard | xst: this are just worms or some scripts |
| 23:42.40 | cklennard | xst: i bet the username do repeat |
| 23:43.29 | xst | Actually I default policy = DROP and only open on 22, 80, 25, cvspserver, imap2, imap3 |
| 23:43.44 | xst | So this should be pretty "secure" ? |
| 23:43.54 | xst | Running debian/sarge |
| 23:44.04 | Guerin | xst: as secure as the daemons running and the passwords of your usrs. |
| 23:44.11 | doleyb | Solet-deb: mounting ftps is possible, but performs poorly. |
| 23:44.13 | jim | well... if you want absolutely secure... pull the power plug... |
| 23:44.14 | xst | Yes |
| 23:44.18 | xst | Hehe |
| 23:44.33 | Guerin | xst: though DROP buys you no security over REJECT |
| 23:45.18 | jim | REJECT just sends back a "connection refused", right? |
| 23:45.23 | Guerin | yes |
| 23:45.33 | Guerin | drop just ... drops |
| 23:45.40 | xst | I know |
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| 23:46.08 | tpr | well got mysql running again, tclhash.c still seems to crash my eggie thou |
| 23:46.18 | tpr | that was the whole meaning of upgrading in the first place P |
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| 23:47.00 | cklennard | whats tclhash.c from |
| 23:47.29 | tpr | i think its from mysqltcl |
| 23:47.32 | tpr | not 100% sure |
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| 23:48.45 | cklennard | hm the thing has not many bugs open... |
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| 23:49.38 | cklennard | maybe one of the tcl packages is buggy |
| 23:49.47 | daxal | any currently known moderate to severe caveats of upgrading a workstation from woody to sarge? |
| 23:50.12 | daxal | I've used debian for some years now. just been aprehensive until the freeze. |
| 23:50.39 | tpr | cklennard: could be I have one tcl script a friend made i think its buggy =) |
| 23:50.59 | tpr | anyway I need to sleep, thanks to everyone for the great help, especially you cklennard :) i shall be back ;) |
| 23:51.52 | MrKeuner | why would I get this error? dh_compress: command returned error code 512 make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 |
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| 23:53.23 | doleyb | MrKeuner: any idea what you were trying to do? |
| 23:53.43 | zmk | hi does anybody know why gdm greeter sometimes freezes on unstable... first time was few years ago I think and now I ran into it again ... no clue whatsoever, no errors in log :-( |
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| 23:53.52 | MrKeuner | I was trying to compile vazaar 0.1.9 |
| 23:53.56 | zmk | err, keyboard freezes only that is |
| 23:54.16 | cklennard | zmk: well its unstable i guess |
| 23:55.04 | zmk | cklennard: well yea but it's been 2 years since I first encountered it so I'm pretty sure it's some standard configuration combination .. |
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| 23:56.17 | Guerin | daxal: your 3rd-party packages and backports are liable to break horribly. |
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| 23:56.58 | Guerin | daxal: but by and large, if you read the release notes and follow the instructions in /msg dpkg woody->sarge, you should be ok. |
| 23:57.03 | daxal | Guerin: good point. thanks for mentioning it. |
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| 23:57.09 | Guerin | daxal: mine did :) |
| 23:57.22 | Guerin | horribly |
| 23:57.48 | Guerin | i managed to get mail service back up in a few minutes, but smtp auth and tls took longer :) |
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