| 00:00.10 | MASoft | j4cbo, parallel processing ? (is it ur mean from cross compile ? ) |
| 00:00.13 | kullanici | how can i learn which sarge iso has kde or/and gnome ? |
| 00:00.16 | j4cbo | i've passed it "-mwindows" and i've been able to compile some test programs correctly, but q2 itself breaks horribly |
| 00:00.36 | j4cbo | MASoft: i'm using mingw32 to compile quake2 for windows from linux |
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| 00:00.43 | j4cbo | or trying to, that is |
| 00:01.22 | kullanici | |
| 00:01.24 | MASoft | j4cbo, aha ! I have no experience about cygwin, mingw32, ... :P |
| 00:02.10 | j4cbo | anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:02.35 | MASoft | j4cbo, what ur aim ? as I know there is the source of q2 for windows |
| 00:02.39 | bucky | kullanici, there's only one sarge and you can apt-get either gnome or kde or both |
| 00:03.21 | bucky | kullanici, if you choose the desktop environment in tasksel during install it will install both |
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| 00:03.41 | j4cbo | i want to be able to make a q2 mod for windows without having to do it inside vmware |
| 00:03.44 | kullanici | bucky i know but i don't want to use internet when installing debian. |
| 00:03.57 | kullanici | so i need "needed iso files" before installiation |
| 00:04.02 | MASoft | j4cbo, can't u do it with VC6 ? |
| 00:04.17 | bucky | kullanici, net install is the only way i've ever installed debian so i guess i can't help you |
| 00:04.22 | j4cbo | yeah, but that's a pain |
| 00:04.30 | j4cbo | i'd rather do it completely from linux |
| 00:04.55 | MASoft | j4cbo, about 2 years ago, We were working on it but with Delphi |
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| 00:05.48 | MASoft | j4cbo, what about cygwin and gcc ? |
| 00:05.48 | MASoft | j4cbo, did u try them ? |
| 00:06.29 | j4cbo | that would involve booting into windows... |
| 00:06.37 | j4cbo | if i do that i might as well use VC++ |
| 00:07.01 | MASoft | j4cbo, oh ! ok, you want to do it completely in Linux :D |
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| 00:07.30 | MASoft | j4cbo, Wine can't help u ? |
| 00:07.42 | j4cbo | that's what i'm testing in |
| 00:07.48 | j4cbo | mingw is what i want, it's just not working |
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| 00:08.09 | MASoft | j4cbo, so it's not you want :P |
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| 00:09.05 | _me_ | !vpn |
| 00:09.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/ |
| 00:09.58 | hxhindocha | on a debian Sarge amd-64 system, apt-get update generates rhe following error - Err http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org sarge/main Packages |
| 00:09.58 | hxhindocha | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.16 | hxhindocha | any suggestions on how to fix it ? |
| 00:10.31 | MASoft | _me_, use Freeswan for l2tp and poptop for pptp ;) |
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| 00:11.30 | MASoft | j4cbo, may you can use mix of Cygwin and Wine ;) I haven't any idea ! also I must sleep :(( it's 4 am and tomorrow I have Math exam ... ! |
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| 00:11.59 | EvanCarroll | hxhindocha: the alioth mirror is down 50% of the time |
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| 00:12.05 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.08 | EvanCarroll | hxhindocha: welcome to 64bit debian computing |
| 00:12.20 | vezult | [13~hxhindocha: use the madduck.net mirror |
| 00:12.36 | vezult | hxhindocha: it works |
| 00:12.59 | Vladi | hi, can someone please tell me the proper way to get pppoe getting to autostart after a reboot it work when i do pppoeconf and i select start at boot but after a reboot it doesn not start? |
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| 00:14.25 | vezult | dn4: that is the default behavior |
| 00:14.50 | vezult | dn4: just apt-get install kernel-source-2.x.x-blah |
| 00:14.54 | kanelo | Vladi i don't know but you can see /etc/init......... |
| 00:15.04 | dn4 | vezult, where does it save the package to.? |
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| 00:15.23 | vezult | dn4: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.x.x-blah |
| 00:15.27 | dn4 | nope |
| 00:15.29 | dn4 | :( |
| 00:15.45 | vezult | dn4: add ad tar.bz2 on the end of that |
| 00:15.46 | hxhindocha | Thank you vezult, madduck.net is working fine. |
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| 00:16.36 | vezult | dn4: i don't follow. what does "nope." mean? |
| 00:16.55 | Subvertir | <3 #debian |
| 00:18.21 | dn4 | apt-get install planetccrma-core-edge.tar.bz |
| 00:18.21 | dn4 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 00:18.22 | dn4 | E: Couldn't find package planetccrma-core-edge.tar.bz |
| 00:18.40 | challenged | sigh |
| 00:19.35 | challenged | dn4: type uname -r.......use those details to "apt-get instal kernel-sources-2.?.?-? |
| 00:20.18 | vezult | dn4: it only works if you are installing an apt-gettable kernel package |
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| 00:20.35 | vezult | which the planetccrma-blahblah is not |
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| 00:22.24 | BrianAnthony | has anyone else had the problem with gnome baker where the program won't even startup |
| 00:22.29 | Rile | is there anyway to run all cron jobs now once |
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| 00:24.41 | challenged | hmm apt-get install ntop has downloaded a 2nd copy of ntop rather than upgrading......why is this so? i changed from testing to sarge in sources |
| 00:25.10 | challenged | hmm actually ignore me a second ill confirm that |
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| 00:25.41 | bucky | challenged, did you run apt-get update after changing sources.list? |
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| 00:26.08 | bucky | challenged, sarge == testing |
| 00:26.27 | challenged | yeah ...i think i just dont know how to use ntop hehe...im looking now..didnt notice deamon startup |
| 00:26.39 | challenged | bucky: yeah but testing will = etch |
| 00:26.53 | bucky | challenged, i can't go into the future |
| 00:26.56 | challenged | bucky: so testing changed to sarge in expectation |
| 00:27.07 | L00thar | heya. How do I bypass a remote default bash shell, using ssh or scp? |
| 00:27.32 | tracer | I just did a bare bones install of debian, i installed xserver and the fonts, and xdm also blackbox... i got it running but i cant do anything in blackbox, including open an xterm, what am i doing wrong? |
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| 00:28.06 | aFlag | did you install xterm? |
| 00:28.18 | kanelo | LOOthar i don't know but ssh it's a remote bash and scp it's a copy of files?! |
| 00:28.21 | tracer | hehe, im new to linux, did not know that you had to |
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| 00:28.50 | L00thar | kanelo: scp apparently also does the ssh bash thing automatically. |
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| 00:28.53 | cafuego | tracer: install 'x-window-system-core' and 'rxvt' |
| 00:29.10 | tracer | cafuego: whats rxvt? |
| 00:29.19 | cafuego | Maybe een rxvt-µnicode |
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| 00:29.28 | gine | is it possible to install windows xp even though i already have debian and grub installed |
| 00:29.41 | cafuego | tracer: A smaller, quicker, prettier xterm replacement. |
| 00:29.52 | tracer | Also, are xfonts-base and xfonts-75dpi good enough, or should i install more? |
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| 00:30.08 | cafuego | tracer: Keep in mind X runs at 100dpi |
| 00:30.14 | tracer | aaah |
| 00:30.16 | nick_ | what's a good wm to mimmick XP in order to make non Linux people comfortable on a public machine? |
| 00:30.25 | cafuego | tracer: Well, you can make it run at 75 |
| 00:30.32 | tracer | dont wanna |
| 00:30.33 | cafuego | nick_: KDE |
| 00:30.40 | kanelo | LOOthar what thing do scp autimatically? |
| 00:30.42 | gine | nick_: gnome is very nice |
| 00:30.43 | nick_ | k thanks |
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| 00:30.54 | tracer | my documentation said to do that, i did not think that sounded allright |
| 00:30.57 | cafuego | gine: Gnome is more like MacOS than WinXP though. |
| 00:31.07 | aFlag | they are not exactly like winxp though |
| 00:31.07 | cafuego | gine: (by default anyway). |
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| 00:31.25 | micjack | holas |
| 00:31.27 | micjack | alguien |
| 00:31.28 | aFlag | kde is not that close to winxp also |
| 00:31.31 | micjack | ke halbe espaol |
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| 00:31.41 | micjack | o caste llano da= |
| 00:31.42 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: sp? |
| 00:31.42 | dpkg | from memory, sp is troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 00:31.42 | cafuego | KDE is uglier, slower,. more blaoted and crashes more, so it might be more familiar to WinXP users ;-) |
| 00:31.43 | challenged | any way to make https work faster? can squid cache it somehow? |
| 00:31.48 | cafuego | !rima micjack |
| 00:31.49 | dpkg | micjack: Si usted no puede hablar ingles, va el #debian-es o apenas sale. |
| 00:31.50 | gine | cafuego: but is alot 'better' than KDE, and can be made almost exactly like a simple windows |
| 00:31.54 | nick_ | lol |
| 00:31.59 | aFlag | michal_, por que no tientas el canal #debian-es? |
| 00:32.06 | FieldySnuts | if it's like windows don't bother anyway |
| 00:32.11 | kanelo | micjack ke necesitas? |
| 00:32.19 | cafuego | gine: Oh, i don't disagree :-) |
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| 00:32.28 | aFlag | yo hablo portunhol |
| 00:32.30 | kanelo | micjack pero pregunta en ingles ke asi te pueden responder mejor |
| 00:32.37 | nick_ | but are there any renegade versions that really try to make it identical even in spite of copyright sketchyness? |
| 00:32.42 | Subvertir | pringles don't get your pregnant |
| 00:32.43 | micjack | f u c k su castellano esta = ke estados jodidos,,.( osea hasta el culo ) |
| 00:32.44 | FieldySnuts | ingles please, or #debian-es |
| 00:32.53 | FieldySnuts | !irritate micjack |
| 00:32.53 | dpkg | micjack: HELP ME!!! who uses kde plz msg me, fox__ |
| 00:33.11 | tracer | hehe |
| 00:33.20 | challenged | im running kde as my dekstop atm....im xp normally....not much difference that i can see once you set the options right |
| 00:33.25 | cafuego | nick_: Just themes, KDE comes with a theme called 'redmond'. Then there's something that's not in debian, but which tries to momick XP exactly.. XPDE I think. |
| 00:33.35 | micjack | bueno mi pregunta es esta ,,.alguien ha probado el FreeSBIE ?? |
| 00:33.38 | b00 | !penetrate FieldySnuts |
| 00:33.44 | FieldySnuts | @fuck b00 |
| 00:33.52 | cafuego | micjack: Kun je misschien oprotten in plaats van zo irrirant spaans te jengelen? |
| 00:33.57 | kanelo | micjack FREEBSD -> /join FREEBSD |
| 00:33.59 | kamela | lol and comes softly |
| 00:33.59 | b00 | haha, FieldySnuts you lame |
| 00:34.02 | tracer | cafuego: What is the x-window-system-core, and why does x seem to work without it? |
| 00:34.05 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
| 00:34.06 | kamela | BSD IS DEAD! |
| 00:34.08 | luulis | nick_: i dont think you need to mimic windows, ive seen a few public machines using linux and KDE and windowmaker on some that only allow web browsers |
| 00:34.10 | kamela | LONG LIVE BSD! |
| 00:34.13 | FieldySnuts | it is? |
| 00:34.15 | cafuego | tracer: it's a meta package that contains the minimal X basics. |
| 00:34.19 | micjack | o alguien a probado el FreeBSD livecd ke cuando lo pruebo no se keda estable en la makina |
| 00:34.25 | FieldySnuts | can we +q this guy |
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| 00:34.27 | cafuego | !ops micjack spanish troll |
| 00:34.27 | nick_ | i installed vncserver which immediately screens someone in to X without a login screen at which to choose window managers.. if i apt-get me a bunch, where could i change the defaults for vnc desktop creations? just do another dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 00:34.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: micjack spanish troll |
| 00:34.46 | micjack | carajo respondan en castellano estupidos hombres blancos |
| 00:34.55 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 00:34.55 | cafuego | micjack: Rot gewoon op, joh. |
| 00:34.55 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@200.121.19.163] by helix |
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| 00:34.58 | magyar | ahoy |
| 00:34.59 | FieldySnuts | helix: thanks |
| 00:35.03 | FieldySnuts | helix: HEH what did you say? |
| 00:35.04 | cafuego | Holborn: *whee!* |
| 00:35.08 | helix | "may god bless you" |
| 00:35.12 | kanelo | micjack says what his FREEBSD livecd isn't stable (i don't understand this) |
| 00:35.14 | FieldySnuts | nice |
| 00:35.32 | cafuego | kanelo: I think maybe his brain isn't stable, so he must troll. |
| 00:35.45 | kanelo | :) |
| 00:36.50 | L00thar | So no ideers about getting around a default bash shell on a remote ssh connection? I mean legit? |
| 00:36.53 | kanelo | this channel is good :), i think, i return.... (it's my first time in irc......) |
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| 00:37.19 | L00thar | kanelo: IRC can be fun. Or it can be hell... |
| 00:37.36 | kanelo | LOOthar -> www.rootshell (Xploit) |
| 00:37.57 | kanelo | LOOthar hell, what do you want say? |
| 00:38.00 | L00thar | kanelo: ?? I don't want to alienate my hosts... ;> |
| 00:38.16 | kanelo | :) |
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| 00:38.51 | tracer | Does anyone know how to work with the blackbox GUI? |
| 00:39.20 | dudeblah | I'm trying to install Debain on my thinkpad T23 but the boot hangs at: aacraid raid driver version, Apr 20 2002 |
| 00:39.31 | dudeblah | Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 00:39.36 | gine | ah, i need a rescue disk, anyone know where i could download that? |
| 00:40.09 | challenged | anyone have any ideas on how to speed up a https connection? im running a squid box for http which helps alot but https is too slow |
| 00:40.12 | kanelo | gine but with a live cd you can rescue all :) |
| 00:40.41 | kanelo | challenged you must connect without proxy |
| 00:40.44 | kanelo | :) |
| 00:40.48 | dudeblah | #flood I'm trying to install Debain on my thinkpad T23 but the boot hangs at: aacraid raid driver version, Apr 20 2002. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 00:41.02 | cafuego | dudeblah: You using woody? |
| 00:41.06 | dudeblah | yes |
| 00:41.13 | cafuego | dudeblah: don't. Use sarge. |
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| 00:41.32 | kanelo | or sid |
| 00:41.33 | kanelo | ... |
| 00:41.37 | Simpleton | Hey |
| 00:41.38 | cafuego | kanelo: No. |
| 00:41.39 | dudeblah | Ok, I'll try. Thanks |
| 00:41.46 | kamela | I'm boycotting pants! |
| 00:41.51 | stew | kenboo: no |
| 00:41.56 | stew | uhh |
| 00:42.09 | onre | do apache2 & libapache2-mod-php4 work on sarge? |
| 00:42.10 | kanelo | cafuego i sid != dangerous |
| 00:42.11 | Simpleton | I'm hoping someone hre knows how to do this, anyone know how to get the nvidia drivers to work on debian with a kernal of 2.4.18-b2.4 ? |
| 00:42.16 | raha12 | is the i845 chipset supported in debian stable? i cannot get x to work.. |
| 00:42.29 | challenged | kanelo: yeah atm i bypass squid for https: but its notably slower.....5 mins to load a page.....i know its a speed issue on our bandwidth but i was hoping for a sortware option |
| 00:42.35 | kamela | jebus simpleton update your kernel |
| 00:42.43 | Simpleton | ive managed to get them compiled and crap, but there is no source tree for 2.4.18-b2.4 so i had to use to 2.4.18's , and now i cant load the driver because it says its not the right one |
| 00:42.48 | Simpleton | its not that old... |
| 00:42.51 | shingouz | Simpleton: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 00:43.03 | shingouz | Simpleton: Your kernel is ancient |
| 00:43.08 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
| 00:43.08 | challenged | onre: yes works on sarge.... |
| 00:43.08 | kamela | you need the kernel-header package for your kernel |
| 00:43.15 | Simpleton | i have that |
| 00:43.20 | kamela | but get a new one for jebus sake |
| 00:43.26 | Simpleton | id love to |
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| 00:43.30 | Simpleton | but i cant get internet on the thing |
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| 00:43.52 | Simpleton | hrm |
| 00:44.06 | Simpleton | what kernal do you recommend |
| 00:44.14 | FieldySnuts | gah gnaa twits msging me |
| 00:44.17 | challenged | simpleton: download the deb and manually install it? |
| 00:44.18 | kamela | a later 2.4 or a 2.6 |
| 00:44.23 | kamela | but not 2.6.8 |
| 00:44.29 | kamela | 2.6.8 is just poop |
| 00:44.36 | Simpleton | how do i go about installing a kernel |
| 00:44.52 | Simpleton | ive spent the last 2 days trying to tell debian that its going to take this driver and run it no matter what it has to say |
| 00:44.53 | stew | Simpleton: are you on sarge or woody? |
| 00:44.55 | challenged | kamela: 2.6.8 seems ok so far for me what you finding pooey |
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| 00:45.05 | Simpleton | im going to assume woody |
| 00:45.09 | kullanici | how can i get screenshot when linux is booting? |
| 00:45.11 | tracer | cafuego: how do i set the default gui? (eg. afterstep, gnome, blackbox)? |
| 00:45.13 | kamela | 2.6.8 hates me with a blinding fury |
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| 00:45.21 | kullanici | i got an error and it's very long.. i want to show that to you |
| 00:45.22 | kamela | broken ati-ixp sound drivers |
| 00:45.22 | Simpleton | you should introduce it to nvidia |
| 00:45.24 | Simpleton | they hate me too |
| 00:45.30 | kamela | partially broken acpi |
| 00:45.37 | stew | Simpleton: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 00:45.43 | kanelo | SImplenton you can install with apt-get ..... if you don't want the kernel of kernel.org and after patch..... and make xconfig, make install......... |
| 00:45.45 | Simpleton | aww crap |
| 00:45.46 | kamela | and the net installer for sarge seg faults on boot so i have to build up from woody |
| 00:45.49 | Simpleton | do i have to go boot that up again? |
| 00:45.56 | challenged | kullanici, Paste in #flood or in the paster |
| 00:45.58 | kamela | it would probalby help |
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| 00:46.11 | Simpleton | i guess i could go setup my desktop |
| 00:46.14 | Simpleton | im dual booting |
| 00:46.19 | kullanici | challenged i can't boot linux.. and i can't copy error messages.. |
| 00:46.27 | Simpleton | i cant use apt-get to pull the kernel kanelo |
| 00:46.33 | Simpleton | i dont have internet on it |
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| 00:46.40 | FieldySnuts | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:46.41 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:46.43 | kullanici | i got long error message when linux is starting |
| 00:47.09 | challenged | kamela: even with the linux26 boot option? |
| 00:47.13 | L00thar | Let me ask another way: how to force ssh to use a shell without running .bash_profile or .bashrc ? |
| 00:47.32 | FieldySnuts | man ssh, there might be flags to do just that |
| 00:47.38 | Simpleton | alright, brb |
| 00:47.38 | kanelo | simplenton yes, but you install a image.... with all the modules it's better if you go to kernel.org .... apt-cache search kernel | grep AMD ...... |
| 00:47.39 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: to use a specific shell? |
| 00:47.40 | FieldySnuts | alternatively the server can be set up to not do it |
| 00:47.42 | kamela | 2.6.8 hates my laptop with a blinding rage |
| 00:47.42 | tracer | How do i set the default gui? (eg. afterstep, gnome, blackbox)? |
| 00:47.44 | L00thar | FieldySnuts: I've been looking. |
| 00:47.53 | kamela | twm! |
| 00:47.54 | kamela | twm! |
| 00:48.03 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: why not just ssh foohost /bin/fooshell |
| 00:48.03 | challenged | kullanici, well type it in hehe |
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| 00:48.22 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: Sure -- anything but bash. Or do bash w/o cfg |
| 00:48.53 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: well, that will work, since command is executed in lieu of a login shell. |
| 00:49.02 | Simpleton| | alright rebooting now |
| 00:49.09 | Simpleton| | what was that command again? |
| 00:49.17 | Simpleton| | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 00:49.17 | bucky | tracer, update-alternatives x-window-manager |
| 00:49.30 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: THat's maybe what I was trying to think of. I will try that. |
| 00:49.42 | dondelelcaro | ssh foohost /bin/bash --norc --noprofile; should also work |
| 00:49.45 | stew | Simpleton|: yes, if its 3.0 you cannot install a 2.6 kernel without upgrading to sarge, if its 3.1 you can |
| 00:49.50 | challenged | whos an ntop user?... |
| 00:50.01 | dondelelcaro | challenged: just ask your question |
| 00:50.02 | kullanici | http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2004/03/11/bios_hotflash.html <- can't i get screenshot like this ? |
| 00:50.12 | FieldySnuts | @annoy kullanici |
| 00:50.15 | ravenbird | kullanici: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
| 00:50.38 | MrBucket[IDLE] | I did apt-get eggdrop and now I can't find it to run. |
| 00:50.44 | kullanici | ravenbird what ? |
| 00:50.45 | FieldySnuts | read its docs? |
| 00:50.45 | ravenbird | no idea, kullanici |
| 00:51.01 | Simpleton| | its 3.0 |
| 00:51.09 | Simpleton| | does this mean i have to download another boat load of cds? |
| 00:51.24 | tracer | bucky: it says unknows argument x-window-manager |
| 00:51.25 | kullanici | ravenbird screenshot |
| 00:51.26 | ravenbird | well, screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 00:51.33 | kanelo | stew a question??? you can do this with apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:51.47 | kullanici | ravenbird geforce |
| 00:51.47 | ravenbird | Perhaps you are looking for "apt-get install nvidia-glx-src nvidia-kernel-src" |
| 00:51.48 | stew | kanelo: no, aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 00:51.49 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: I'm not getting anywhere with that. What I really need is the magick key which tells bash not to read its cfg files. |
| 00:51.51 | bucky | tracer, do you have one installed? |
| 00:51.56 | stew | kanelo: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 00:52.02 | challenged | dondelelcaro: i just installed ntop on my sarge box...its promiscuos on eth0.......how does it work...do i run a command to view data or is it dumping to a log or something? im reading the site atm but my net is very slow atm so was hoping to get a quick clue |
| 00:52.09 | MrBucket | eh? |
| 00:52.13 | kanelo | stew ok thx |
| 00:52.25 | kullanici | ravenbird segmentation violation at |
| 00:52.25 | ravenbird | i don't know, kullanici |
| 00:52.29 | kullanici | well |
| 00:52.46 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird is a bot. |
| 00:52.46 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:52.54 | onre | challenged, really? what did you do in order to make it actually process the php scripts? i did some googling and it seems that many people have just went back to apache 1.x :-o |
| 00:52.58 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: eat shit :) |
| 00:53.02 | FieldySnuts | .. |
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| 00:53.22 | tracer | bucky: i have xdm, blackbox, and afterstep |
| 00:53.31 | tracer | bucky: is that what you meant? |
| 00:53.35 | bucky | yep |
| 00:54.08 | challenged | onre: i installed it a while back....i think i just activated the module and away it went......i dont do much php stuff but soem people here do and noones screamed at me to go back |
| 00:54.13 | bucky | tracer, dpkg -l x-window-system |
| 00:54.18 | tracer | is gnome a replacement for xdm or is it a gui like blackbox? |
| 00:54.33 | onre | challenged, well yea. there isn't any reason to downgrade if it works. ;) |
| 00:54.38 | bucky | gnomes a gui |
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| 00:54.59 | tracer | and xdm is a window manager? (im a bit new to this whole thing) |
| 00:55.16 | stew | !xdm |
| 00:55.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, xdm is the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
| 00:55.18 | challenged | tracer: gnome like blackbox/kde/xfce.........GDM = gnome version of xdm....KDM= KDE version of XDM |
| 00:55.33 | tracer | aaahh |
| 00:55.42 | tracer | so blackbox does not need xdm |
| 00:55.49 | Simpleton| | are dvd images not avail for sarge? |
| 00:55.53 | nvz | tracer: xdm is a display manager, it starts the X session and provides a graphical login with a session chooser |
| 00:55.54 | tracer | :P |
| 00:55.54 | exerd | how do i know what path firefox runs from? |
| 00:55.57 | karsten | tracer: No, X display managers are orthogonal to window managers. |
| 00:56.12 | challenged | tracer...login manager =XDM/KDM/GDM Window manager = fluxbox/kde/gnome etc |
| 00:56.17 | tracer | cool |
| 00:56.23 | tracer | now i get it |
| 00:56.25 | FieldySnuts | xdm / gdm / kdm present a nice login screen and let you choose your window manager. you do not need them, they're optional |
| 00:56.28 | bucky | exerd, which firefox |
| 00:56.33 | bucky | that will tell you |
| 00:56.34 | exerd | the newest |
| 00:56.40 | bucky | type it |
| 00:56.44 | exerd | haha ok =) |
| 00:56.52 | stew | Simpleton|: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/ |
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| 00:57.43 | nvz | this chatzilla really stinks, the tab-completion is horrible |
| 00:58.01 | FieldySnuts | it's not meant to be a good irc client, only an example of what XUL can do or something, i think |
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| 00:58.33 | kanelo | bitchx is good |
| 00:58.34 | challenged | onre: what in particular are people complaining about? |
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| 00:58.51 | nvz | yeah well I can't get internet where I am at right now... I use my grandmothers pc sometimes to come in here. She notices and deletes other things, but since chatzilla is a firefox plugin she doesnt even know its on here |
| 00:59.25 | nvz | there arent really any _good_ clients for windows xp anyhow |
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| 00:59.46 | challenged | nvz: rooting your grandmothers box so you can chat about it .....sneaky hehe |
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| 01:00.21 | nvz | I should have a lot of money tomorrow. if I could get internet, I would. |
| 01:00.38 | tracer | Is there an effective way to clean out unused packages from your harddrive? or reverse the installation of packages that also installed packages it depends on? |
| 01:00.38 | Simpleton| | wait |
| 01:00.45 | Simpleton| | is debian 3 dvd images ? |
| 01:00.48 | Simpleton| | the sarge one that is? |
| 01:00.53 | challenged | nvz: just get a wirelesscard and cruise the neighbourhood with a laptop... |
| 01:00.57 | nvz | Simpleton|: should fit on two |
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| 01:01.07 | Simpleton| | why are there 3 images listed for jigdo then? |
| 01:01.11 | stew | Simpleton|: there is no way you need them all |
| 01:01.30 | nvz | challenged: yeah funny. I am sure there is lots of wireless networking on the outskirts of Morgantown West Virginia |
| 01:01.34 | MrBucket | WHere do I look for a command reference to handle user accounts? |
| 01:01.38 | Ry12 | when sarge is released will we still be able to use the current sarge for testing? |
| 01:01.41 | stew | Simpleton|: does the machine have the possibility for network access? /msg dpkg netinst |
| 01:01.49 | Simpleton| | no |
| 01:01.59 | nvz | challenged: I am way too far away from Morlug, the Morgantown Linux Users Group, or any other downtown spots |
| 01:02.07 | dvs | Ry12: You have to switch to 'sarge' from 'testing' soon afterwards |
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| 01:02.48 | challenged | nvz: 8( thats a shame...im in a similar situation ...noone in range of my loungeroom hhehe... |
| 01:02.50 | onre | challenged, well, seems like i'm not the only guy who can't figure out why it keeps on spitting application/x-httpd-php:s at me instead of processing the scripts :> yes, module is loaded, yes, mimetypes are specified, yes, the log is checked, nothing there |
| 01:02.54 | Simpleton| | maybe ater its installed i can get it online |
| 01:03.01 | [Thom] | How do I get back to debian from bitchx without closing it? |
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| 01:03.31 | nvz | I will probably be relocating soon... |
| 01:03.39 | nvz | too early to tell really |
| 01:04.02 | challenged | [Thom] umm ctrl esc brings up your start menu thingy.....if thats what you need |
| 01:04.09 | onre | challenged, eh. just got it to work. and actually figured out the problem too. :P |
| 01:04.19 | bob2 | tracer: for the latter, use aptitude in future |
| 01:04.25 | challenged | [Thom], bitchx is a program....debian is the OS.... |
| 01:04.27 | onre | let's say that browser cache can bite you in interesting ways |
| 01:04.27 | bob2 | tracer: for now you can use debfoster |
| 01:04.28 | [Thom] | challenged: That didn't work. |
| 01:04.39 | bob2 | [Thom]: alt-f2 |
| 01:04.47 | challenged | [Thom] what WM? kde gnome? |
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| 01:04.52 | [Thom] | I konw, there as to be a way to drop back to the OS again. |
| 01:05.24 | [Thom] | command line bitchx |
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| 01:05.38 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.49 | challenged | [Thom] ahh kk...um alt f1-f4 are normally other login sessions |
| 01:05.49 | bob2 | that only happens to work becauswe bitchx was written by monkeys, tho |
| 01:05.59 | bob2 | in general, you run things in screen |
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| 01:06.12 | challenged | bob2: so is half the news.... |
| 01:06.18 | MrBucket | How do I get a list of user accounts at root? |
| 01:06.42 | stew | MrBucket: getent passwd |
| 01:06.44 | MrBucket | ...and where to I find a reference of commands of this sort? |
| 01:07.28 | nvz | speaking of relocating.. the girls I am living with just showed up here |
| 01:07.43 | nvz | I'm ready to relocate right now.. to the other side of town :P |
| 01:08.10 | cafuego | MrBucket: 'man apropos' |
| 01:08.17 | MrBucket | ahha |
| 01:08.18 | MrBucket | :D |
| 01:08.21 | MrBucket | Thank you. |
| 01:08.56 | kanelo | challenged ctrl + alt + [F1-F9]... |
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| 01:09.20 | [Thom] | bob2 thanks |
| 01:09.25 | nvz | This town is too small.. you just cant get away from anyone |
| 01:09.26 | [Thom] | I just figured out how to get back. |
| 01:09.38 | nvz | I hope I can get a day or two off this week end, I am so gone |
| 01:10.04 | [Thom] | Isn't there a way to switch applications without having to log in again? |
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| 01:10.41 | challenged | ok so my next mission is to work out how to get spamassasin to receive email filter then forward onto an internal exchange server......any advice anyone? |
| 01:10.44 | nvz | [Thom]: I sense you've been told this already.. but use screen |
| 01:10.58 | nvz | [Thom]: screen is the shells mama |
| 01:11.28 | kanelo | challenged you have a lot of missions, and google is a good friend |
| 01:11.38 | kanelo | :) |
| 01:11.51 | nvz | I miss google :P |
| 01:12.15 | nvz | life is just so hard without google |
| 01:12.26 | tracer | Whats a good web browser under linux? |
| 01:12.33 | Delph | elinks |
| 01:12.39 | FieldySnuts | @start a browser war |
| 01:12.39 | ravenbird | * > netscape |
| 01:12.42 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:12.43 | tracer | hehe |
| 01:12.44 | nvz | tracer: links2, dillo, firefox, whatever |
| 01:12.51 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a browser war |
| 01:12.52 | apt | netscape crashes less than w3m |
| 01:12.59 | FieldySnuts | yeah right |
| 01:13.08 | challenged | kanelo: not really alot of missions just a couple left hehe... i think i need something calle amisvis or something hehe |
| 01:13.34 | [Thom] | nvz: sorry, do you mean /screen from bitchx? |
| 01:13.46 | Souza10 | What is the best package to work with VPN? I have tested OpenVPN and I enjoyed it. I'd like to test freeswan, but I've heard it doesn't work very well with NAT, is that true? |
| 01:13.50 | [Thom] | There's no man entry for screen either |
| 01:13.54 | [Thom] | sorry, I'm very new |
| 01:13.59 | nvz | [Thom]: no, screen is a program. you would have to install it and start it up |
| 01:14.00 | Delph | [Thom]: no; the program 'screen' which bitchx sort-of emulates |
| 01:14.03 | tracer | i cant seem to apt-get firefox... hmm |
| 01:14.24 | [Thom] | nvz, I see |
| 01:14.25 | Eclipser | tracer, get sarge |
| 01:14.42 | tracer | i do have sarge, im using testing sources for apt |
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| 01:14.46 | kanelo | tracer lynx ( terminal ? ), firefox ( X ) |
| 01:14.47 | luulis | tracer: the package is called mozilla-firefox |
| 01:14.54 | nvz | [Thom]: its a terminal multiplexer, lets you run multiple shell windows inside any terminal or terminal emulator, and even copy/paste without a mouse, detach, reattach, and multiple attache screens..etc |
| 01:14.55 | tracer | oooh |
| 01:15.01 | newdebusr | Should I prefer to use the older kernel source that I can apt-get from debian 2.4.27 instead of the newer kernel source 2.4.30 that I can get from kernel.org because of debian specific patches? |
| 01:15.01 | challenged | Souza10: ipsec works NP for static tunnels ...i beleive roadwarrior mode and nat can be annoying |
| 01:15.02 | tracer | i see |
| 01:15.14 | nvz | [Thom]: its like a window manager for the console |
| 01:15.41 | [Thom] | nvz: Ahh. Thanks, I'll stick with alt-F2 for now! |
| 01:16.06 | nvz | [Thom]: alright |
| 01:16.10 | [Thom] | I'm such a newbie nerd and I hate being 'that guy', oh well. |
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| 01:16.33 | kanelo | newdebusr you can download the kernel package from kernel.org and after you patch the patches you need |
| 01:16.50 | nvz | well I am going to head back over the river and through the woods back to town from grandma's house I go.. heh |
| 01:16.54 | Souza10 | challenged: sorry, but what do you mean by "NP" and "roadwarrior"? |
| 01:16.55 | kanelo | man patch .... |
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| 01:19.02 | challenged | Souza10, : NP = no probs.... roadwarrior is variable IP to fixed IP style.....Static to static IP is a static tunnel |
| 01:19.13 | newdebusr | kanelo: are there a lot of debian specific patches that I would need to find and patch making it a pain in the arse? |
| 01:19.15 | Simpleton| | tired <**> |
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| 01:19.25 | vezult | i'm trying to install a kernel in a chroot install..but it keeps telling me that /dev/mapper/vg0-root is not a block device |
| 01:19.40 | shift__ | Is there a way to untar 100 .tgz files at once? |
| 01:19.57 | nvz | shift_I highly doubt you want to do that |
| 01:19.58 | psycose | jhg |
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| 01:20.18 | vezult | shift__: for t in ./*; do tar -xzf $t; done |
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| 01:20.24 | nvz | shift_ perhaps in sequence with one command, but not all at once |
| 01:20.37 | bisy | go on, put an '&' in :) |
| 01:20.43 | caphuso | shift__: for a in *.tgz; do tar xzf "$a"; done |
| 01:20.45 | vezult | bisy: heh |
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| 01:20.59 | caphuso | shift__: if you really wanted to do it at once, but a & after the "$a"... |
| 01:20.59 | bob2 | vezult: that will be harder than you think |
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| 01:21.06 | Souza10 | challenged: I see, so you think freeswan is not good for roadwarrior? Have you ever tried it? |
| 01:21.08 | tracer | How can you change the command line font FROM the command line? Is this possible? Even under non gui mode? |
| 01:21.10 | bob2 | vezult: you're trying to setup a system so you can boot into it? |
| 01:21.16 | vezult | bob2: yess |
| 01:21.28 | bob2 | vezult: udev, devfs or static /dev? |
| 01:21.35 | _ch0de_ | hey people, i need some help, i get a "crackling" sond come ot of my speakers when i play music on mepis, can this be fixed? |
| 01:21.38 | vezult | bob2: static /dev |
| 01:21.51 | bob2 | _ch0de_: #mepis |
| 01:22.01 | bob2 | vezult: sure you copied it exactly? |
| 01:22.06 | _ch0de_ | im in there now |
| 01:22.07 | aardvark | !based on debian |
| 01:22.07 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 01:22.17 | stew | bob2: why the +o? |
| 01:22.23 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 01:22.33 | challenged | Souza10, i made some static tunnels for a few customers a while back with nat firewalls and they were NP but i havent tried roadwarrior mode myself just hear things from people playing with ti |
| 01:22.49 | bob2 | tiiiiiiiiiiinc. |
| 01:22.53 | gravity | stew: He's showing off his bulging ops |
| 01:22.59 | vezult | bob2: lvm arent static devices. so they can't be copied |
| 01:23.11 | aardvark | what's pircbot and why is it in here? |
| 01:23.14 | bob2 | vezult: do the device nodes match up in and out of the chroot? |
| 01:23.21 | psycose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.38 | nvz | man cp |
| 01:23.39 | bob2 | psycose: what would be the opposite? not hardlinking? |
| 01:23.41 | nvz | the mother of all options |
| 01:23.47 | vezult | bob2: no. debian installer uses devfs :( |
| 01:23.54 | bob2 | ouch |
| 01:23.58 | nvz | or at least the manual of all options |
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| 01:24.02 | vezult | bob2: i dunno how the intaler does it |
| 01:24.09 | vezult | bob2: installer, rather |
| 01:24.16 | bob2 | hm |
| 01:24.31 | bob2 | do the manjor/minor numbers on the lvm device nodes match up? |
| 01:24.34 | psycose | bob2 i want to copy the content, and not the sym link to it ... |
| 01:24.40 | bucky | heya grumpydog |
| 01:24.50 | bob2 | psycose: that's not what -l does |
| 01:24.56 | sameer | hi people |
| 01:25.04 | sameer | what exactly is journalling in filesystems?? |
| 01:25.13 | sameer | and how does it help us |
| 01:25.15 | vezult | bob2: how do you determine a device's major/minor numbers? aside from lookinig at kernel docs |
| 01:25.22 | bob2 | it keeps track of changes so if it crashes you don't have to fsck |
| 01:25.27 | bob2 | vezult: ls -l /dev/mapper/blah |
| 01:25.36 | psycose | bob2 .. yes, that's why i think it's the opposite of -l ;-) |
| 01:25.39 | gravity | sameer: It basically records changes to the filesystem in a "journal". It means you don't have to fsck when you reboot, and helps keep you from losing data |
| 01:25.41 | nvz | sameer: keeps journals of the meta-data that makes up the filesystem, so that it can recover more quickly from a crash |
| 01:25.48 | gravity | sameer: Google can provide a far better explanation than I can though |
| 01:26.00 | vezult | any way to execute a subshell from bitchx? |
| 01:26.01 | sameer | so like a log file |
| 01:26.06 | kanelo | somebody know a channel about socket? |
| 01:26.12 | bob2 | kanelo: #c |
| 01:26.21 | kanelo | somebody know a good channel about socket? |
| 01:26.26 | challenged | can someone fill me in on procmail...exim....spamassasin....as fars as how thye interact.......procmail hands it to SA and then SA would drop it into a maildir for exim? |
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| 01:26.36 | Ry12 | is there sarge for powerpc |
| 01:26.44 | bob2 | challenged: exim doesn't care about mail on disk |
| 01:26.45 | sameer | so u can backtrack and reverse things back to original state in certain critical situcations right? |
| 01:26.46 | bob2 | Ry12: of course |
| 01:26.52 | stew | !d-i Ry12 |
| 01:26.52 | dpkg | Ry12, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:26.53 | Ry12 | where can i get it? |
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| 01:27.05 | gravity | Ry12: The link dpkg just said |
| 01:27.07 | bob2 | challenged: exim gets mail, passes it to procmail, which could pass it through spamassassin and then drop it on disk |
| 01:27.40 | kanelo | bob2 a socket only is from c , socket_raw perphaps... but java has socket ??? somebody know channel about socket_raw |
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| 01:27.55 | bob2 | kanelo: er, no, you're asking the wrong question |
| 01:28.01 | bob2 | kanelo: if you want help with java, #java |
| 01:28.06 | Ry12 | i shuold wait till the next testing hey? |
| 01:28.13 | bob2 | Ry12: why? |
| 01:28.14 | vezult | bob2: it tells me: no such file or directory. |
| 01:28.19 | tracer | Why does linux want you to set up exim when you default install, do you need it to send email? or recive it using, like say some open office mail client? |
| 01:28.34 | bob2 | tracer: "linux" doesn't care |
| 01:28.39 | Ry12 | dvs Ry12: You have to switch to 'sarge' from 'testing' soon afterwards |
| 01:28.50 | bob2 | tracer: Debian installs it by default so mails from cron etc get delivered somewhere |
| 01:28.58 | Xenguy | tracer: log messages etc. |
| 01:29.08 | bucky | tracer, because linux sends mail to root or a user about system info |
| 01:29.13 | bob2 | tracer: if you'e not usefully using cron and don't know what an MTA is, you don't need exim |
| 01:29.20 | Xenguy | tracer: there are daemons on your system that want to email you from time to time ;-) |
| 01:29.27 | tracer | i see, thanks everyone |
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| 01:29.48 | challenged | bob2 ok so i need to look at spamassasin to find out how to forward the post-filtered mail to an new smtp server |
| 01:30.09 | bob2 | challenged: er, that seems like a silly setup to involve procmail in |
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| 01:31.06 | IDC | i setup exim to deliver mail in local only,sometimes when error is occured i get mail in the account i specified it earlier,in this matter is it okay to disactive exim ? |
| 01:31.07 | vezult | bob2: copied the /dev/mapper directory from the installer /dev to /target/dev/ with the same result |
| 01:31.43 | buu | Hrm. Anyone have an idea on how to disable my computer's beepy speaker thingy? |
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| 01:32.00 | darkcmd | never tryed different MTAs on debian |
| 01:32.03 | bisy | buu: xset -b |
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| 01:32.21 | Apage43 | :(! |
| 01:32.26 | buu | bisy: I try |
| 01:32.27 | Apage43 | relocation error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_option_context_new |
| 01:32.29 | EvanCarroll | buu: cut the cable |
| 01:32.32 | Apage43 | On all gtk apps |
| 01:32.32 | buu | bisy: That's a system wide setting right? |
| 01:32.38 | buu | EvanCarroll: I'm bloody considering it |
| 01:32.40 | challenged | bob2: well all i need to do is get incoming mail to go via spamd and then forward to an internal exchange box... |
| 01:32.42 | bob2 | Apage43: you probably crappily ompiled something |
| 01:32.48 | bisy | buu: only whilst in X |
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| 01:32.53 | bob2 | challenged: just setup your MTA to do that |
| 01:32.54 | kbrooks | lolol. |
| 01:32.55 | challenged | bob2: how would you suggest? |
| 01:32.57 | Apage43 | bob2: None of this is compiled |
| 01:33.07 | bob2 | challenged: ie have exim call SA and then forward it |
| 01:33.07 | kbrooks | <Zoohouse> what distro are you using? |
| 01:33.07 | kbrooks | <psycose> ! |
| 01:33.07 | kbrooks | <psycose> well GNU Debian/Linux of course ;-) |
| 01:33.09 | buu | bisy: Hrm. I ran it, this program still causing a beep |
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| 01:33.10 | Apage43 | I'm using debians packages, which seem to have BROKEN gtk |
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| 01:33.16 | bob2 | Apage43: you haven't compiled *anything*? |
| 01:33.18 | kbrooks | that's LAME |
| 01:33.22 | bob2 | Apage43: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 01:33.48 | kbrooks | psycose: lamer :( |
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| 01:33.56 | kbrooks | !pal psycose |
| 01:34.03 | psycose | hh |
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| 01:34.17 | Simpleton| | Why can't nvidia's driver actually work without requiring so much crap |
| 01:34.25 | bob2 | Apage43: right |
| 01:34.30 | xaiki | Simpleton|: because it's not free |
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| 01:34.34 | bob2 | Apage43: so you're using some non-Debian experimental apt source |
| 01:34.38 | bob2 | Apage43: what a shock it's broken |
| 01:34.42 | Simpleton| | its not free? |
| 01:34.43 | bob2 | Simpleton|: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 01:34.43 | Apage43 | bob2: It's kde stuff |
| 01:34.46 | kanelo | CasaNova mejor seria ke no te metieras komo root |
| 01:34.47 | Apage43 | GTK is what's broken |
| 01:34.49 | challenged | bob2: so exim can call spam assasin then forward without involving procmail at all? |
| 01:34.58 | bob2 | challenged: yes |
| 01:35.10 | CasaNova | kanelo si yo se :-) sorry |
| 01:35.13 | Apage43 | In fact, I currently don't have anything from that source installed |
| 01:35.31 | challenged | bob2: cool....ill go a huntingh exim.conf hehe |
| 01:35.32 | vezult | challenged: yes. sa-exim will do it at smtp-time |
| 01:35.46 | vezult | challenged: if you like that kind of thing |
| 01:35.56 | kanelo | CasaNova perfect :) |
| 01:36.11 | bob2 | Apage43: it's very very unlikely to be a problem with debian's packages |
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| 01:36.14 | challenged | i dont like exchange to start with but the boss wont let me take an axe into the server room 8/ |
| 01:36.19 | bob2 | since, y'know, no one else has noticed it |
| 01:36.27 | bob2 | Apage43: run debsums and make sure your disk is ok |
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| 01:36.53 | CasaNova | installing sarge 2.6.8 kernel (havent used debian as workstation in LONG time:-( ran alsaconf sound works fine ran alsactl store can't get sound after reboot without asalconf again" |
| 01:37.09 | CasaNova | read many faqs and websites... none seemed to point out exactly what to do. |
| 01:37.22 | CasaNova | used linuks.min.nu faq wiki as well |
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| 01:38.06 | dvs | CasaNova: Run lsmod before and after alsaconf and add those modules to your /etc/modules |
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| 01:38.30 | sarom | guys, how is debian pronounced? deebian? |
| 01:38.33 | MiCHaEL | oi |
| 01:38.36 | tracer | can '/etc/init.d/hotplug start' be used to set up hardware without requiring a restart? |
| 01:38.39 | dvs | sarom: Deb Ian |
| 01:38.53 | dvs | sarom: Like the names |
| 01:38.57 | Simpleton | i thought it was pronounced debby in |
| 01:39.13 | CasaNova | dvs: I thought modules had to be added to /etc/modules/<file> then run modules-update or something like that |
| 01:39.47 | dvs | CasaNova: That is more for configuration. /etc/modules loads the modules directly |
| 01:39.48 | sarom | got it.. thank you |
| 01:39.56 | CasaNova | or modutils I meant |
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| 01:40.54 | roler | i am looking for a port of that mac bottom application launcher bar... anyone know if they have it for linux? |
| 01:41.04 | CasaNova | So alsactl store really doesnt store? The "correct" debian way is to copy modules under 2.6 to /etc/modutils/alsa then run update-modules? |
| 01:41.08 | karsten | roler: What's your desktop? |
| 01:41.19 | karsten | !tell roler about window managers for x |
| 01:41.32 | roler | my desktop is gnome2/metacity |
| 01:41.38 | roler | i turned off nautilus |
| 01:41.42 | karsten | roler: Take a look at XFCE4. Alternatively, there's stuff in KDE/GNOME which can be made to look that way. |
| 01:42.01 | dvs | CasaNova: No, alsactl store saves the volume levels of the sound. |
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| 01:42.07 | roler | thanks man |
| 01:42.41 | CasaNova | Oh but has nothing to do with loading alsa kernel modules... I think I;m beginning to see. |
| 01:43.09 | dvs | CasaNova: Correct |
| 01:43.25 | gravity | graphviz is so very neat |
| 01:43.52 | CasaNova | dvs:I just thought installing all those alsa packages and running alsaconf was going to "automate" this a bit more... was unwilling to believe I woudl still have to manually copy modules to /etc/modules.... |
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| 01:44.11 | challenged | CasaNova: alsaconf finds the modules etc and dumps it in the modules to load |
| 01:44.30 | CasaNova | Not unwilling just thought there was a more automated way... |
| 01:44.31 | dvs | challenged: dumps it where? |
| 01:44.40 | Apage43 | bob2: everything checks out with debsums |
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| 01:45.07 | challenged | challenged:etc/modules ...... |
| 01:45.13 | challenged | i think |
| 01:45.15 | bob2 | Apage43: well, ask on the debian-gnome-gtk list, I guess, but I'd be very very surprised if it was a non-local problem |
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| 01:45.20 | CasaNova | So without manually editing the /etc/modules than I will be manually runnign alsaconf every reboot to get the modules loaded intot he kernel... |
| 01:45.46 | dvs | CasaNova: yup |
| 01:45.55 | challenged | CasaNova. yeah thats right |
| 01:46.00 | CasaNova | dvs: Off to edit some files then , thanks... |
| 01:46.12 | dvs | CasaNova: Just the /etc/modules |
| 01:46.30 | challenged | you could echo it |
| 01:46.34 | vezult | for anyone who's interested: in order to install an initrd kernel in a chroot install with lvm, one must first install dmsetup and run: dmsetup mknodes |
| 01:46.44 | vezult | just figured that out |
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| 01:47.07 | CasaNova | Oh in debian I jsut upgraded my video from nVidia 5700 to 6800gt (256) gaming card. DO I have to rerun nvidia driver setup (video is working) or is one linux driver far all nvidia 3d cards? |
| 01:47.18 | Subvertir | vezult, some lessons can only be learned the hard way, eh? out of curiosity, why bother using initrd? |
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| 01:47.56 | vezult | subvirtir: it's the only way i know to do lvm on raid. |
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| 01:48.18 | vezult | Subvirtir: but anyway i was installing a debian kernel which uses initrd |
| 01:48.32 | Apage43 | Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.4.0...Cannot load module /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/immodules/im-xim.so: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/immodules/im-xim.so: undefined symbol: g_assert_warning |
| 01:48.44 | vezult | Subvirtir: didnt think of compiling my own. good idea though |
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| 01:49.34 | vezult | well...off to finish my install. |
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| 01:49.43 | BibTeX | how to know the swap size???? |
| 01:50.00 | CasaNova | dvs: you said to run lsmod before and after alsaconf right? |
| 01:50.08 | dvs | CasaNova: Right |
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| 01:50.39 | dvs | CasaNova: Save the output to files and compare them. |
| 01:50.52 | CasaNova | Wow that's a heck of a lotta snd modules! |
| 01:51.05 | Apage43 | This happens when I try to reinstall libgtk2.0-bin |
| 01:51.06 | Apage43 | Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.4.0...Cannot load module /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/immodules/im-xim.so: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/immodules/im-xim.so: undefined symbol: g_assert_warning |
| 01:51.09 | dvs | CasaNova: Just use the ones with a 0 count |
| 01:51.31 | CasaNova | I better start from a clean boot to be sure I have the oss stuff removed (I just added the emu10k1 to my /etc/discover |
| 01:51.39 | BibTeX | Hello, how to know the swap size???? |
| 01:51.45 | CasaNova | dvs : Oh good to know |
| 01:51.48 | caphuso | BibTeX: free |
| 01:52.02 | CasaNova | dvs : You mean those used by '0' |
| 01:52.10 | dvs | CasaNova: Yes |
| 01:52.35 | challenged | bob2: and by the same process i could throw clamav in the chain yeah? |
| 01:52.57 | CasaNova | dvs : so soundcore is not necessary then , only snd_emu10k1 and snd_pcm_oss |
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| 01:53.14 | dvs | CasaNova: Yup |
| 01:53.30 | dvs | CasaNova: smd_mixer_oss is a good one too |
| 01:53.47 | CasaNova | That has a count of 1 - snd_pcm_oss |
| 01:53.52 | BibTeX | is it possible to run without a SWAP |
| 01:53.55 | BibTeX | ??? |
| 01:54.02 | kbrooks | BibTeX: maybe |
| 01:54.06 | dvs | CasaNova: Ok, nevermind then. |
| 01:54.26 | dvs | CasaNova: I assumed that it wasn't loaded. |
| 01:54.31 | kanelo | BibTeX do you know what do the swap partition? |
| 01:54.31 | CasaNova | I'll reboot just to be sure I get a clean before and after shot... |
| 01:54.34 | CasaNova | thanks |
| 01:55.28 | BibTeX | kanelo: yes, it the equivalent of the RAM, but on the disk |
| 01:56.45 | kanelo | BibTeX if you have a big ram and little process :) |
| 01:56.48 | sarom | What is the equivalent of "rpm -qi man" in debian? |
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| 01:57.11 | kanelo | BibTeX if you have a big ram and little and few process :) |
| 01:57.15 | aardvark | sarom: who cares |
| 01:57.23 | dvs | sarom: dpkg --get-selections | grep '^ii' |
| 01:57.47 | bztunk | aardvark: I guess he is |
| 01:57.56 | karsten | aardvark: That's the great thing about who. |
| 01:57.59 | BibTeX | kanelo: do you know any tool that lets me manage my disk, create and mount a new SWAP |
| 01:58.01 | karsten | aardvark: He cares. |
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| 01:58.13 | challenged | debian has rpm....so it would be rpm -qi man |
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| 01:58.18 | sarom | dvs, thank you! |
| 01:58.53 | bob2 | challenged: yes |
| 01:58.57 | Xenguy | .oO(I should have known it was sussudio) |
| 01:59.14 | challenged | bob2: do i need amavis to make this work likeim reading? |
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| 01:59.21 | kanelo | BibTeX fdisk |
| 01:59.25 | bob2 | challenged: I don't know for exim4 |
| 01:59.28 | bob2 | challenged: might be easier |
| 01:59.49 | challenged | bob2 well it seems im on the right path...thanks for throwing some crumbs.. |
| 01:59.52 | P8ntKid | is there anyway i can change my resolution, when i go to the desltop preferences and then screen resolution it wont let me choose another resolution |
| 02:00.24 | kanelo | BibTeX if you like X, qparted... but fdisk is very good |
| 02:00.56 | kanelo | o qpart... i don't know... i say fdisk |
| 02:01.23 | BibTeX | kanelo: qparted ??? |
| 02:01.44 | BibTeX | kanelo: it is not available neither iont the sys, nor on a mirror |
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| 02:03.22 | kanelo | BibTeX all the partition i make , i use fdisk |
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| 02:04.03 | kanelo | fdisk /dev/hda .... |
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| 02:05.57 | P8ntKid | Man i wish i had debian on my main computer |
| 02:06.19 | Apage43 | I don't |
| 02:06.24 | Apage43 | It's GTK is broken :( |
| 02:06.33 | kbrooks | heh |
| 02:06.48 | kbrooks | debian's teh rulz |
| 02:07.03 | P8ntKid | yes it does |
| 02:07.10 | kanelo | P8ntKid why do you go to debian.org and catch a iso .... |
| 02:07.12 | P8ntKid | Is there any cool stuff i should get |
| 02:07.13 | Apage43 | Thing is I am and have used debian on my main computer for over a year |
| 02:07.16 | Apage43 | but now gtk is borked |
| 02:07.32 | P8ntKid | kanelo, I have debian on my server right now |
| 02:07.50 | P8ntKid | i have to have windows on my main computer becuase of the games i play |
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| 02:08.05 | P8ntKid | thats the only that i dont like about linux |
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| 02:08.18 | P8ntKid | well, i could allways dual boot |
| 02:08.56 | kanelo | P8ntKid you can do trial boot too |
| 02:09.03 | P8ntKid | ??? |
| 02:09.07 | jp2 | I need someone to help me. I'm trying to upgrade to sarge and when I do "apt-get update" I get this: "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room (...)" |
| 02:09.09 | kanelo | i need sleep.... |
| 02:09.46 | jp2 | I found some help online but it's not helping |
| 02:09.46 | Apage43 | SOMEONE FIX THIS OR I WILL PUT YOU ALL IN BAGS AND GRIND YOUR BONES TO MAKE MY BREAD |
| 02:09.48 | P8ntKid | I liked mepis for a while |
| 02:09.58 | P8ntKid | but, it got boring |
| 02:09.58 | Apage43 | Thank you. |
| 02:10.02 | bztunk | Apage43: wtf |
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| 02:10.26 | jp2 | (help!) # apt-cache stats gets me this: Segmentation fault |
| 02:10.29 | Apage43 | bztunk: I kind of can't function without gtk |
| 02:10.32 | bztunk | Apage43: you know, you don't need to use sid |
| 02:10.48 | Apage43 | bztunk: testing is like, old |
| 02:10.50 | erps | I'm not seeing it while looking through aptitude. But are there any packages for sarge that are like control panel/plesk/etc? If so, package name please? |
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| 02:11.01 | bztunk | Apage43: not really |
| 02:11.08 | karsten | Apage43: Behave. |
| 02:11.13 | bztunk | Apage43: if you're not happy, build your own distribution. |
| 02:11.18 | diomac | hmm the 3 new email addresses I've added aren't collecting mail |
| 02:11.24 | Apage43 | I don't even LIKE gtk |
| 02:11.28 | tracer | Is the package bin86 actually used for anything? (being a 16 bin x86 assembler)? |
| 02:11.30 | Apage43 | the only gtk app I use is firefox |
| 02:11.37 | tracer | bit* |
| 02:11.40 | bztunk | Apage43: debian can't really assure the quality of sid |
| 02:12.21 | challenged | bob2: spare a sec to look at a site?......http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:xtNsHFLiqVIJ:www.wlug.org.nz/EximMailFilter+exim+spamassasin+clamav+amavis+howto&hl=en&client=firefox |
| 02:12.28 | P8ntKid | Will diferent themes slow down debian much if im really limited on hardware |
| 02:13.27 | bztunk | tracer: (under Linux it's used only to create the 16-bit bootsector and setup binaries). |
| 02:13.32 | bob2 | challenged: looks ok |
| 02:13.46 | kanelo | sid - 20% == sarge |
| 02:13.48 | challenged | bob2: cool thx |
| 02:14.03 | tracer | bztunk: so it can be safely uninstalled? |
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| 02:14.41 | kanelo | sid - 20% (2xweeks)== sarge |
| 02:14.41 | bztunk | tracer: of course. If one day you compile something that requires it you'll just need to reinstall it |
| 02:14.44 | slyboots | Hi |
| 02:14.48 | tracer | thanks |
| 02:14.58 | challenged | P8ntKid, some themes use more ram than others so yeah it will but nothing extreme |
| 02:15.30 | slyboots | Has anyone here used the pymusique in Debian, I tried to install it, but I get a python backtrace log when I attept to run the program |
| 02:15.40 | slyboots | Has anyone else tried and used it successfully? |
| 02:16.13 | slyboots | (Debian Sarge) |
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| 02:16.35 | kanelo | sarge == future potato |
| 02:16.44 | kanelo | sid = future sid |
| 02:16.47 | dondelelcaro | slyboots: if there isn't a bug filed against pymusique, then supposedly someone has. |
| 02:16.59 | slyboots | Well where are the bugs filed? |
| 02:17.09 | dondelelcaro | slyboots: the bts. visit bugs.debian.org/pymusique |
| 02:17.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell slyboots -about bts |
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| 02:18.22 | jp2 | is there some official description somewhere of how to upgrade to sarge? |
| 02:18.47 | stew | jp2: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 02:19.20 | stew | jp2: /msg dpkg sarge release notes |
| 02:19.40 | P8ntKid | urrr, i hate adding ftp's to apt |
| 02:19.52 | P8ntKid | is there anyway it will jsut find all of them by its self? |
| 02:20.27 | Ry12 | omg i wish someone told me about that when i had woody |
| 02:20.30 | jp2 | thanks stew... that sounds a lot like what I'm trying, though, and I get "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" -- I'll go through the release notes and try again... if it doesn't work I'll ask you again ok? |
| 02:20.39 | stew | jp2: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 02:21.03 | kanelo | P8ntKid windows |
| 02:21.39 | Ry12 | can u msg woody>srage to me stew |
| 02:21.50 | stew | !tell Ry12 about woody->sarge |
| 02:21.53 | P8ntKid | are you telling me to switch to windows? |
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| 02:22.00 | Ry12 | ta |
| 02:22.21 | stew | P8ntKid: what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:23.16 | doub | P8ntKid: apt-setup might help |
| 02:23.20 | kanelo | P8ntKid windows == automatic if you search this..... |
| 02:23.20 | P8ntKid | um, have apt search for all its mirrors instead of me adding them |
| 02:23.40 | P8ntKid | kanelo, idk what you talking about |
| 02:23.41 | kanelo | P8ntKid suse is good automatic os |
| 02:24.15 | doub | kanelo: isn't it also good at non-gracefully failing? |
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| 02:24.25 | stew | P8ntKid: just /ignore kanelo ; maybe apt-spy is what you are looking for but it takes a while |
| 02:24.36 | P8ntKid | k |
| 02:24.57 | BibTeX | after adding a SWAP partition, do we have to mount it |
| 02:24.58 | BibTeX | ? |
| 02:25.19 | P8ntKid | will apt-spy find a bunch of mirors for me? |
| 02:25.21 | doub | BibTeX: swapon is your friend |
| 02:25.26 | stew | BibTeX: no man swapon ; man fstab |
| 02:25.32 | challenged | BibTeX, yeah....mkswap and swapon |
| 02:25.33 | kanelo | BibTeX have you used fdisk? |
| 02:26.13 | P8ntKid | apt-spy doesnt work |
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| 02:27.04 | doub | P8ntKid: have you tried apt-setup |
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| 02:27.24 | coruptkid | hi all |
| 02:27.26 | kanelo | P8ntKid sorry, what do you want to make? |
| 02:27.29 | coruptkid | need some help |
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| 02:27.39 | P8ntKid | nvm |
| 02:27.40 | inkedmn | evening all |
| 02:27.42 | P8ntKid | i got it |
| 02:27.46 | doub | !tell coruptkid about ask |
| 02:28.04 | inkedmn | i'm running cups on sid w/ an hp laserjet 6l - it prints fine w/ xp pro, so i know the printer works. |
| 02:28.06 | BibTeX | kanel: yes I did use fdisk and I attibuted the id=82 to an old swap partition I had |
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| 02:28.30 | inkedmn | i've configured cups to print to it (with several attempts at using several drivers), but my printer simply doesn't respond when i try to print to it |
| 02:28.35 | BibTeX | challenged: I am not able to find these tools |
| 02:29.01 | jp2 | sounds good. Thanks a bunch stew! :) Quitting X now and I'm going to try the update. I found the magic cache size that allows `aptitude update` not to crash |
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| 02:29.27 | tracer | How do you turn off linewrapping in xterm or rxvt? |
| 02:29.30 | inkedmn | i get no errors in /var/log/cups/error_log either |
| 02:29.49 | coruptkid | i'm trying to patch a 2.6.8.1 kernell i have just built with usermode linux patch 2.6.8.1-1 and im getting the error "can't find file at input line 15" ! how do i fix this?? |
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| 02:31.11 | BibTeX | thx guys |
| 02:31.14 | shingouz | coruptkid: Read the line 15 in the diff and correct the mistake. Maybe your patch syntax is wrong, maybe the kernel-source and the patch are not actually good for eachother... how knows |
| 02:31.19 | shingouz | s/how/who |
| 02:31.35 | caphuso | tracer: in xterm with ctrl-middleclick and selecting the menu entry or the +ab command line option |
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| 02:31.52 | kanelo | stew /unignored kanelo |
| 02:32.53 | furrywolf | with 100mbit half-duplex, I get 6.1MB/sec over my lan... think switching to a full duplex switch will help that any? :) |
| 02:33.04 | coruptkid | shngouz, i only have the patch file and the kernel (which i built). i have no diff file. am i right to think that the kernel built with specific options is what the patch program is expecting?? |
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| 02:36.11 | furrywolf | windpaw? heh, nice nick. :) |
| 02:36.19 | Windpaw | thankies |
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| 02:36.32 | Windpaw | my alternate is Astinus, but I'm hitting the channel limit so need to split things up :P |
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| 02:36.36 | kevinv | Can't seem to get help in the exim room? |
| 02:36.41 | furrywolf | lol |
| 02:36.46 | kevinv | Anyone here know exim? |
| 02:36.52 | furrywolf | what species of paw? :) |
| 02:36.54 | furrywolf | !they don't know |
| 02:36.54 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:36.55 | kevinv | What is ETRN/ATRN? |
| 02:36.59 | bob2 | kevinv: best to ask on their list |
| 02:37.15 | kevinv | Does Exim support it? |
| 02:37.23 | kevinv | I tried, no one answers. |
| 02:37.39 | hojax | how can i see how much space are on my hard drive from the command line ? |
| 02:37.46 | kevinv | Well, not their list, but the channel |
| 02:37.49 | furrywolf | hojax: df |
| 02:37.56 | hojax | furrywolf thanks |
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| 02:38.09 | P8ntKid | Yay, i finally figured out how to configure xserver |
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| 02:38.17 | P8ntKid | now i got my new gfx card workin |
| 02:38.28 | Windpaw | furrywolf: Heheh, I picked up this name doing MUD gaming a few years ago |
| 02:38.33 | Windpaw | furrywolf: Never got rid of it really 8) |
| 02:38.39 | kevinv | Besides I am already getting enough mail from the Debian list. |
| 02:38.49 | furrywolf | heh. I would have thought furrymuck, but oh well. :) |
| 02:38.49 | kevinv | Adding th exim list, thats to much mail. |
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| 02:40.28 | kanelo | bye bye |
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| 02:45.27 | BadFlash | hey?! Is there any application for Linux that looks like Filemon from sysinternals or one that could tell me REALTIME which process is writing into a file of some kind?! |
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| 02:46.35 | furrywolf | gravity: shouldn't you be worrying about what's _down_ with things? |
| 02:46.43 | gravity | furrywolf: I worry in all directions |
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| 02:48.11 | goodtod | what's the command to add a script in init.d to the last runlevel? |
| 02:48.29 | MilkyMouse | Is there any application that would tell me realtime which process is writing to which files? :) |
| 02:48.36 | liable | goodtod: man update-rc.d |
| 02:48.38 | stew | goodtod: update-rc.d\ |
| 02:49.01 | lilo | oh my |
| 02:49.11 | bob2 | BadMan: fuser |
| 02:49.34 | goodtod | liable and stew: i looked but i can't figure it out. update-rc.d script then what? |
| 02:49.38 | furrywolf | lilo: eh? |
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| 02:50.30 | lilo | furrywolf: I had momentarily forgotten that the channel is +L |
| 02:50.32 | stew | goodtod: what do you mean by last runlevel? |
| 02:50.58 | tweak | hi all, I just relized my server doesnt have any swap and my servers memory is all used up. How do I make swap space? Server is 200 miles way' |
| 02:51.00 | tweak | away |
| 02:51.08 | MilkyMouse | bob2 : is there any puser? I want to know which running processes are reading/writing to which file in realtime... like filemon with windows... :) |
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| 02:51.40 | goodtod | stew: rc6.d |
| 02:51.52 | [T] | is there a way to message another user shelled into the same debian server that I'm logged into? |
| 02:51.53 | furrywolf | +L... limit on number of bans/etc? (sorry, not too familiar with the extensions here. :) |
| 02:51.53 | karsten | caphuso: Anwho, what were *you* doing in #ubuntu? |
| 02:51.55 | bob2 | MilkyMouse: I don't use windows |
| 02:52.03 | bob2 | MilkyMouse: fuser shows what is writing to a particular file |
| 02:52.03 | gravity | [T]: talk |
| 02:52.08 | stew | tweak: man mkswap / swapon / and fstab |
| 02:52.14 | [T] | Thank you |
| 02:52.50 | MilkyMouse | bob2 : Oooooh ! Ok! That's no use for what I wanna do! I need to find which process is writing to some unknown file... ;) |
| 02:52.58 | stew | goodtod: you realize that 6 is the reboot runlevel? |
| 02:53.29 | maher | MilkyMouse: do you know which process? |
| 02:53.29 | IDC | at boot there are many messages says 'too many fs type ...blah .... use dmesg | tail or so ...' because it scrools down too fast i cannot really see it exactly |
| 02:53.34 | tweak | stew can it be done with NO problems? its 200 miles away and I cant just go kick it. |
| 02:53.42 | IDC | but now i check with dmesg | less,carefully,nothing found :( |
| 02:53.48 | MilkyMouse | maher : No! I want to find that ... and I don't know which file either... ;( |
| 02:53.49 | bob2 | MilkyMouse: that makes no sense |
| 02:53.54 | stew | tweak: yes. are you sure it is out of memory? what does "free" report for cached? |
| 02:53.57 | maher | MilkyMouse: what do you know |
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| 02:54.09 | IDC | scrolls* |
| 02:54.13 | gravity | He knows how to log in with an alternate persona to re-ask a question ;-) |
| 02:54.18 | gravity | !?! |
| 02:54.32 | MilkyMouse | maher : I have ~150 processes running at the same time and I want to find out which one is constantly writing to the HD... |
| 02:54.40 | tweak | stew here is munin picture http://69.64.171.222/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain-memory-day.png |
| 02:54.41 | MilkyMouse | bob2 : It makes sense... |
| 02:54.42 | bob2 | MilkyMouse: so so that |
| 02:54.54 | maher | MilkyMouse: are you running a journallng file system |
| 02:55.14 | stew | tweak: yeah, you are really out of memory |
| 02:55.18 | tweak | stew and it was using kswap using up major cpu time. |
| 02:55.23 | tweak | stew :0) |
| 02:55.33 | MilkyMouse | maher : Yes... EXT3... |
| 02:55.33 | stew | tweak: do you have a runaway memory hog? tried top and hitting M to find out? |
| 02:55.47 | maher | MilkyMouse: well ext3 writes to disk every 5 secs iirc |
| 02:55.48 | tweak | stew if I set up a regular swap it will not use the cpu to do kswap right? |
| 02:55.55 | MilkyMouse | maher : It could be that... but there is no existing application that can tell me LIVE what's writing to what? |
| 02:56.00 | MilkyMouse | maher : like LSOF? |
| 02:56.05 | stew | tweak: but yes, mkswap and swapon should be safe. you can mkswap to create a swap file |
| 02:56.10 | maher | MilkyMouse: well lsof will pick up the open files |
| 02:56.10 | tweak | stew its a game server, it eats up memory really fast for some reason , I have to restart the game server every day. |
| 02:56.35 | gravity | tweak: Bust out valgrind and debug the thing. Sounds like it leaks memory. |
| 02:56.38 | tweak | stew wow the man for mkswap looks complicated. |
| 02:56.45 | MilkyMouse | maher : ok. so I could write some wrapper to lsof to figure out which process opens/closes many files ? |
| 02:56.52 | MilkyMouse | maher : Forget the question mark plz... |
| 02:56.54 | tweak | gravity im not that good sorry. I wouldnt know how to fix it. |
| 02:57.06 | gravity | That's too bad |
| 02:57.08 | maher | MilkyMouse: just run lsof lots of times and see whats open |
| 02:57.08 | tweak | gravity I think it just loads the maps (levels) they play each time it changes maps into memeory |
| 02:57.11 | tweak | and doesnt let them go. |
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| 02:57.21 | gravity | ah |
| 02:57.38 | MilkyMouse | maher : The probleme is that there's lot of entries... There is no "top" command for file usage? hehehe. That could be usefull... |
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| 02:58.24 | SyphonAI | what command would i use to generate an encrypted password ? |
| 02:58.31 | SyphonAI | mkpasswd isn't on my comp, and i can find an install in the repository... |
| 02:58.36 | MilkyMouse | crypt? |
| 02:58.37 | bob2 | SyphonAI: mkpasswd from the whois package |
| 02:58.43 | bob2 | no one knows why it's in the whois package |
| 02:58.43 | maher | MilkyMouse: there is something like that |
| 02:58.51 | furrywolf | lol |
| 02:59.01 | bob2 | I guess the decision was made by the same guy who stole the 'n' from umount |
| 02:59.12 | MilkyMouse | maher : And do you know the name of that application? |
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| 02:59.27 | maher | MilkyMouse: try apt-cache search disk monitor |
| 02:59.30 | zinx | bob2: or the conenate from cat? |
| 02:59.56 | bob2 | haha |
| 03:00.03 | bob2 | indeed |
| 03:00.03 | xsieve | I always wondered the difference between catenate and concatenate |
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| 03:00.10 | drcode | HI all |
| 03:00.15 | SyphonAI | thx |
| 03:00.15 | MilkyMouse | maher: thanks... will try to find something usefull in the list.. |
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| 03:00.40 | drcode | how I can connect to xserver xcpmd from linux ? |
| 03:00.50 | tweak | stew I do df and it says /dev/hdd has blah blah space but I go fdisk /deb/hdd and it says error. unable to open. |
| 03:00.51 | drcode | I am aredy in gnome in the linux |
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| 03:01.13 | tweak | stew nevermind sorry I said deb instead of dev :0) |
| 03:01.17 | tweak | and I had to do hda for some reason |
| 03:01.22 | stew | tweak: do you have unpartitioned space? |
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| 03:01.40 | tweak | stew I donno how do I find that out? |
| 03:01.47 | coruptkid | can i please have the basic syntax that you would use to patch a linux kernel |
| 03:02.04 | tweak | it says /dev/hdd1 151225248 but I think its a 160 GB |
| 03:02.06 | zinx | cor: yes |
| 03:02.10 | zinx | cor: it's on the manpage for 'patch' |
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| 03:03.11 | tweak | does anybody know how to check if I have room for a partition? |
| 03:03.19 | stew | dpkg 160 * (1000/1024) |
| 03:03.19 | dpkg | 156.25 |
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| 03:03.44 | drcode | is there somthing like xdmc in linux |
| 03:03.49 | drcode | Like cygwin ? |
| 03:03.53 | tweak | stew it also says tmpfs 254432 |
| 03:04.05 | Ry12 | tweak: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 03:04.13 | scorphus | Hi. Could you please help me with a little problem: http://pastebin.com/280292 |
| 03:04.33 | scorphus | it is GnuPG related |
| 03:04.53 | stew | tweak: p from within fdisk /dev/hda would tell you |
| 03:04.56 | tweak | wow stew when I did the feisk -l /deb/hda it for some reason doesnt have the swaps ... on boot? |
| 03:05.16 | tweak | stew can I post what it says in ... is it #spam? or #junk I forgot sorry |
| 03:05.21 | stew | #flood |
| 03:05.26 | tweak | oh yes thats it thanks. |
| 03:05.31 | L00thar | How oh how can I run ssh into an account without executing ~/.bash_profile ? |
| 03:05.45 | madclicker_ | how do i force the logs /var/log/syslog to rotate |
| 03:05.47 | madclicker_ | ? |
| 03:05.52 | MilkyMouse | maher : nah... no use... i can't find what I'm looking for |
| 03:06.04 | tweak | stew does that mean my swap just isnt on? |
| 03:06.17 | L00thar | madclicker_: Use logrotate package |
| 03:06.19 | maher | L00thar: ssh host commandname executes a command |
| 03:06.31 | L00thar | maher: duznt work. |
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| 03:06.46 | L00thar | maher: At least not what I've tried. |
| 03:07.08 | stew | tweak: is your swap listed in swapon -s ? |
| 03:07.12 | maher | L00thar: try ssh hostname ls and see what happens |
| 03:07.22 | madclicker_ | L00thar: i am using logrotate but it will rotate in a few hours, i want to rotate now and start with clean log files |
| 03:07.27 | L00thar | maher: Do that and it runs and exits. |
| 03:07.31 | tweak | stew its empty and my top says swap 0 0 0 0 |
| 03:08.31 | maher | L00thar: well when i do that i get a directory listing - try running ssh with the -v option |
| 03:08.51 | stew | tweak: add a line to /etc/fstab for the swap and swapon -a |
| 03:08.54 | L00thar | maher: That's what I get -- but no shell. |
| 03:08.56 | tweak | stew swapon /deb/hda2 and hda3? |
| 03:09.15 | tweak | stew the server will not b rebooting. |
| 03:09.18 | maher | L00thar: so run ssh hostname /bin/bash |
| 03:09.20 | stew | tweak: uhh, your swap is /dev/hda5 |
| 03:09.31 | stew | tweak: yes, i know, man swapon |
| 03:09.35 | L00thar | madclicker_: run it with the syslog script in its dir |
| 03:09.44 | tweak | oh ok so swap /dev/hda5 ? |
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| 03:09.56 | tweak | swapon |
| 03:10.05 | L00thar | madclicker_: e.g.: logrotate /etc/logrotate.d/syslog-ng |
| 03:10.34 | IDC | if i want to auto load iptables script,i simply do 'chmod a+x script' then put in /etc/init.d' then make Link to it in /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
| 03:10.37 | madclicker_ | L00thar: thx |
| 03:10.42 | L00thar | maher: Tried that. No go. |
| 03:10.54 | karsten | What's the freestanding icons-on-desktop thing called? |
| 03:10.57 | L00thar | madclicker_: Glad someone has an answer here. |
| 03:11.00 | maher | L00thar: what about ssh host /bin/tsch |
| 03:11.02 | Ry12 | tweak: just do swap /dev/hda5 |
| 03:11.13 | gravity | karsten: ? |
| 03:11.17 | tweak | ry12 opps I did swap on and it said, |
| 03:11.17 | tweak | Swap: 2650684k total, 0k used, 2650684k free, 107352k cached |
| 03:11.22 | L00thar | maher: I tried a few, but not that. I'll try that now... |
| 03:11.23 | Ry12 | swapon** |
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| 03:11.30 | Ry12 | my bad i meant swapon |
| 03:11.31 | tweak | Ry12 so im good? |
| 03:11.33 | kullanici | i. |
| 03:11.35 | Ry12 | yep |
| 03:11.35 | kullanici | hi.. |
| 03:11.46 | karsten | gravity: There's a tool that lets you put icons (folders, launchers) on your desktop. It itself is desktop independent. |
| 03:11.53 | karsten | gravity: ...I keep forgetting what it's called. |
| 03:11.55 | tweak | Ry12 and stew THANKS SO MUCH having a dedicated swap will not use as much cpu time as kswap right? |
| 03:11.56 | kullanici | i installed sarge and x windows is ok.. but i can't connect to internet :( |
| 03:12.14 | gravity | karsten: Oh, I remember that... I used to have it installed but I forget. mwilson used it I think |
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| 03:12.27 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 03:12.28 | kullanici | ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.10 up ; route add default gw 10.0.0.2 <- is ok for other (gentoo) dists.. |
| 03:12.30 | karsten | gravity: Oh, then it's *got* to be crufty. |
| 03:12.33 | maher | L00thar: or /bin/bash --rcfile=foo |
| 03:12.40 | kullanici | but it don't work on debian.. what should i do |
| 03:13.01 | NaturalRoots | someone have howto for install qmail / qmailadmin / spamassassin / sasl2 / in debian? |
| 03:13.02 | L00thar | maher: I was trying things like that too... |
| 03:13.11 | L00thar | maher: It's a bitch. |
| 03:13.18 | maher | L00thar: what exactly have you done |
| 03:13.22 | karsten | gravity: coolicon? |
| 03:13.31 | kullanici | |
| 03:13.50 | karsten | gravity: coolicon, fbdesk, idesk, turn up in search. |
| 03:13.52 | L00thar | maher: I put exec in .bashrc -- and now it bails on me every time. |
| 03:14.09 | gravity | karsten: I think idesk was the one I saw. I didn't bother to configure it |
| 03:14.10 | karsten | gravity: fbdesk is fluxbox-specific. |
| 03:14.14 | karsten | gravity: OK |
| 03:14.21 | L00thar | maher: even scp duznt work. |
| 03:14.34 | maher | L00thar: ssh host mv .bashrc .bashrc-broken |
| 03:14.54 | debian | NaturalRoots: the nice guys at google.com know them |
| 03:14.56 | kullanici | :( |
| 03:15.38 | mwilson | idesk is nice |
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| 03:24.01 | metrix | are there any good places to get some different backgrounds? |
| 03:24.58 | Gnea | metrix: lots |
| 03:24.58 | Ry12 | for what? |
| 03:25.29 | Gnea | Ry12: for your mom's hair dryer |
| 03:25.46 | L00thar | maher: Sorry -- didn't work. It's set up to always run the bash login shell first. I've been trying to figure if escape sequences might have some way of short-circuiting this vicious circle... |
| 03:26.14 | Gnea | metrix: just search google for "abstract wallpaper" or something like that |
| 03:26.26 | Gnea | you'll get tons of hits |
| 03:26.30 | maher | L00thar: can you log in as a different user |
| 03:26.32 | Gnea | er, results |
| 03:28.01 | L00thar | maher: nope. |
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| 03:28.20 | L00thar | maher: security is a big thing there. |
| 03:28.53 | L00thar | maher: I don't want to ask for embarrassing help, that's for sure... |
| 03:29.05 | IDC | How do i make sure the TCP port 6000 is disabled ? usually its enabled cuz of X running right ? |
| 03:29.24 | IDC | i run netstat -p tcp,there port6000 isn't in the list though |
| 03:29.28 | bztunk | L00thar: I know that putty can connect without executing a shell, but what would you do after that, I don't know |
| 03:29.45 | L00thar | bztunk: hmmm... worth a try. |
| 03:30.03 | Gnea | IDC: how are you running X? |
| 03:30.13 | IDC | I use startx |
| 03:30.18 | bztunk | L00thar: it's under the first page of SSH options |
| 03:30.41 | L00thar | bztunk: Probably will insist on bash routine, tho'. |
| 03:30.45 | karsten | mwilson: You got something to handle X keybindings, WM independent? |
| 03:31.15 | maher | L00thar: are you sure its .bashrc? i can ssh in with a broken .bashrc |
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| 03:31.55 | L00thar | maher: not mine. |
| 03:32.02 | mwilson | karsten: I used to use epistrophy for that. |
| 03:32.20 | maher | L00thar: in fact i seem to get .bashrc run on ssh host ls but not ssh host |
| 03:32.28 | LinuxNIT | anyone know about installing enlightenment e17 from apt? |
| 03:32.30 | L00thar | bztunk: No putty in my ssh manual! |
| 03:32.32 | mwilson | karsten: All you need is an ewmh window manager. |
| 03:32.41 | Gnea | IDC: startx -- -nolisten tcp |
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| 03:32.57 | karsten | mwilson: kthx |
| 03:32.59 | bztunk | L00thar: I'm talking about the SSH client :) |
| 03:33.12 | mwilson | LinuxNIT: What about it? Debian doesn't package E17. |
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| 03:33.31 | Gnea | LinuxNIT: ask in #e |
| 03:33.37 | challenged | bob2: still here |
| 03:33.39 | IDC | Gnea, but right now i do not see port6000 is openning |
| 03:33.53 | L00thar | maher: On that host .bash_profile is run every time, executed command or no. |
| 03:33.53 | Gnea | IDC: oh you want to enable it? |
| 03:33.53 | mwilson | karsten: I'm not sure epistrophy exists as an independent product any more, but you can always grab the last openbox2 tarball and build just it. |
| 03:33.55 | LinuxNIT | i foudn on the web that this was the deb source for apt deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/ |
| 03:34.05 | Gnea | IDC: try changing -nolisten to -listen |
| 03:34.19 | mwilson | L00thar: Yes, and if you actually read the INVOCATION section of the bash man page, you will know why. |
| 03:34.25 | maher | L00thar: ok - i can reproduce the problem |
| 03:34.27 | Gnea | LinuxNIT: that is correct |
| 03:34.32 | L00thar | bztunk: I mean the client too. Are we talking about the man page? |
| 03:34.44 | IDC | Gnea, or you mean in debian sarge the 'startx -- -nolisten tcp' is set as default as running 'startx' ? |
| 03:34.53 | bztunk | !info putty |
| 03:34.58 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.58-1 (sid), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 03:34.59 | bob2 | challenged: half |
| 03:35.03 | karsten | mwilson: apt-cache deosn't know it. |
| 03:35.10 | Gnea | IDC: for security reasons, yes |
| 03:35.10 | LinuxNIT | Gnea, but it dosent register e17 in synaptic only 16 |
| 03:35.18 | IDC | Gnea, :) cool |
| 03:35.19 | mwilson | karsten: it was packaged separately at one point, but I don't think it is any more. |
| 03:35.41 | mwilson | karsten: Like I said, you could just go to www.openbox.org, grab a 2.x tarball, and just build the utilities. |
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| 03:35.58 | Gnea | LinuxNIT: that's due to the way the maintainer built them - e16 in sarge has a 1: in front of the version info, i forgot how to get around it though... |
| 03:35.59 | L00thar | mwilson: well, I read INVOCATION, but I still don't know why. |
| 03:36.07 | leo | hello everybody: which IM client for GNOME ? |
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| 03:36.11 | challenged | bob2: it looks to me that the deb package "exim4-daemon-heavy" has clamav and spamassasin in it....with exim4 installed can i just apt-get it or will they clash? |
| 03:36.23 | Gnea | leo: gaim |
| 03:36.28 | karsten | mwilson: Dig. |
| 03:36.33 | LinuxNIT | ok |
| 03:36.35 | mwilson | karsten: Its syntax looks like this --> http://members.cox.net/msw/files/epistrc |
| 03:36.39 | karsten | mwilson: Though I STR something else. |
| 03:36.55 | leo | Gnea: you tried any other? |
| 03:37.04 | Gnea | leo: yeah they all suck |
| 03:37.05 | mwilson | karsten: I imagine that there are others, but you asked what *I* had. |
| 03:37.14 | bob2 | challenged: it won't have it in there, but it might include support for it |
| 03:37.15 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:37.17 | L00thar | mwilson: If you mean run it with --noprofile, I've tried that. |
| 03:37.41 | mwilson | L00thar: No, I mean read the man page, so you understand when bash uses its various configuration files. |
| 03:38.04 | bztunk | typical mwilson |
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| 03:38.25 | karsten | mwilson: Point. |
| 03:38.38 | mwilson | bztunk: "typical"? I even told him the exact section to read. It's not my fault if he thinks it's beneath him. |
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| 03:38.46 | challenged | bob2: yep thats what i mean |
| 03:38.52 | maher | mwilson: actually that doesn't seem to work - ie ssh host /bin/bash --noprofile still calls the proken .bashrc |
| 03:39.15 | mwilson | maher: Don't tell me... I made no mention of using any command line options for anything. |
| 03:39.22 | maher | mwilson: i mean --norc |
| 03:39.22 | bob2 | challenged: guess that's the way to go then...I don't use exim, so I don't know the details |
| 03:39.23 | L00thar | boy I hate these unhelpful RTFM types... |
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| 03:40.00 | challenged | bob2: cool np |
| 03:40.08 | mwilson | L00thar: There's some reason I should just type the man page section into the channel, rather than giving you a pointer to it, huh? |
| 03:40.16 | L00thar | mwilson didn't seem to read that I told him I'd read it. |
| 03:40.38 | mwilson | L00thar: Even *I* can tell you didn't. |
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| 03:41.17 | L00thar | mwilson: so don't help me then, if you know the answer. Not like I haven't already wasted hours on this when I have work to do. |
| 03:42.17 | L00thar | some people think everyone has to re-invent the friggin wheel. |
| 03:42.34 | L00thar | `cause they did. |
| 03:42.45 | mwilson | And some people think everyone else should do their thinking for them. |
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| 03:43.00 | L00thar | mwilson: We all know that's you you think. |
| 03:43.06 | L00thar | how |
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| 03:43.50 | L00thar | instead of you helping me out, we've wasted tens of minutes in fighting. Real useful that. |
| 03:44.05 | L00thar | Typical here. |
| 03:44.22 | mwilson | L00thar: <shrug> You continued it, not me. I gave you an answer, and that was all. |
| 03:44.38 | L00thar | no you didn't. |
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| 03:45.19 | Gnea | L00thar: because he'd rather ask or answer real useful questions on the journal and shit on people on irc |
| 03:45.20 | stew | ok, both of you just need to /ignore |
| 03:45.45 | mwilson | "journal"? |
| 03:45.56 | bztunk | the journal of life! |
| 03:45.58 | gravity | ITHM channel |
| 03:46.03 | Gnea | unless there are multiple mwilson's who run nothing but debian |
| 03:46.12 | maher | mwilson: ok - i can't get ssh to work without calling .bashrc either - do you know how to do this? |
| 03:46.18 | peterS | Gnea: OMG I hope not |
| 03:46.24 | gravity | peterS: :-) |
| 03:46.24 | bztunk | what a cute analogy! |
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| 03:46.40 | mwilson | Must be... I don't run nothing but Debian. I have Debian, I have oBSD, I have OS X, I have OS 9, I have Windows... |
| 03:46.59 | Gnea | and i bet you have a logjam or drivel client installed |
| 03:47.10 | Gnea | 'nuff said |
| 03:47.11 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:47.15 | madclicker_ | what does this stands for "maildir:/var/local/mail/%d/%n" |
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| 03:47.20 | beto | hi |
| 03:47.21 | madclicker_ | ? |
| 03:47.30 | Gnea | madclicker_: that looks like dovecot... |
| 03:47.31 | peterS | madclicker_: presumably that's a spec for a maildir-format mail folder |
| 03:47.36 | mwilson | Dunno what logjam or drivel are. |
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| 03:47.58 | Gnea | mwilson: you're not on livejournal? |
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| 03:48.22 | mwilson | maher: Either ssh is configured to not launch the shells it starts as login shells, or else bash_profile or profile are reading bashrc. |
| 03:48.34 | mwilson | Gnea: Me? Never even looked at that site. |
| 03:48.38 | madclicker_ | Gnea: how can i tell dovecot not to create ~mail/.imap folder while configured to run in pop3 mode? |
| 03:48.44 | Gnea | mwilson: oh you're gonna love this... |
| 03:49.00 | mwilson | Gnea: Love what? |
| 03:49.07 | bztunk | who would read a mwilson journal. Sadistics? |
| 03:49.08 | Gnea | mwilson: hahahahahahha |
| 03:49.35 | mwilson | I guess I missed the joke. Why in the world would I waste my time with a blog? |
| 03:49.46 | mwilson | At least I assume that's what you're talking about. |
| 03:49.51 | buu | How could I create a virtual ethernet thingy ? /dev/vmnet1? |
| 03:50.16 | Gnea | right it's a blogging site |
| 03:50.19 | Gnea | one moment... |
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| 03:50.32 | maher | L00thar: mwilson ssh -v says Entering interactive session even when you do ssh host command |
| 03:50.36 | peterS | buu: network interfaces don't have /dev entries in Linux. maybe you're thinking of AIX |
| 03:50.37 | tecta | hmm for some reason on debian my sound works with gaim, but not xmms, it's weird it doesn't play the music, i'm guessing it doesn't detect the driver |
| 03:50.38 | elusive | anyone here have ever installed Oracle 9i on Debian? |
| 03:50.49 | stew | yeah there is a mwilson on livejournal who is a sysadmin in california or something |
| 03:51.06 | stew | http://www.livejournal.com/users/mwilson/ |
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| 03:51.41 | peterS | stew: wilson is such an uncommon last name and M is such an uncommon first initial |
| 03:51.42 | mwilson | Not me... I have no beard and not nearly that much hair. |
| 03:51.47 | buu | peterS: I'm attempting to use vmware =/ |
| 03:51.51 | challenged | don't suppose anyone can explain how im expected to change between exim4 light and heavy without it uninstalling other things |
| 03:51.58 | gravity | I don't picture you as a gamecube guy either |
| 03:52.06 | stew | peterS: yeah, its clearly not mwilson |
| 03:52.11 | mwilson | Most clue-challenged morons think I'm Matt Wilson from DeadRat. |
| 03:52.12 | stew | not our mwilson that is |
| 03:52.30 | mwilson | I think that's where he's supposed to be from, anyway. |
| 03:52.35 | challenged | tecta: theres a tickbox in xmms for use OSS i think which may help you |
| 03:52.43 | buu | peterS: Ahah! Success! |
| 03:52.53 | Gnea | you're either a liar, have supreme MPD or there really is another mwilson who uses debian |
| 03:52.57 | tecta | in pref? |
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| 03:53.11 | peterS | buu: you told your kernel you have a ne2000 or something? |
| 03:53.19 | buu | peterS: Um. No |
| 03:53.22 | mwilson | This guy on LJ uses Debian? |
| 03:53.30 | mwilson | Hang on a sec |
| 03:53.37 | buu | peterS: vmware creates /dev/vmnet0-9 |
| 03:53.42 | cef | Gnea: the only option you left out is that you're hallucenating the whole thing |
| 03:53.42 | gravity | Not that I see. He's a Mac guy. |
| 03:53.52 | stew | and a redhat guy |
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| 03:53.55 | cef | Gnea: other than that, I think you covered all the bases |
| 03:54.00 | mwilson | These are me --> http://www.boston-baden.com/hazel/Pix/A/marcwilson.htm |
| 03:54.06 | peterS | buu: that's odd. I wonder what it uses them for, since Linux doesn't use /dev entries for network interfaces |
| 03:54.18 | buu | peterS: Network entries! |
| 03:54.19 | challenged | buu: the installer for vmware works np on sarge....the only thing i needed was build essentials and headers |
| 03:54.26 | tecta | hm how do you change window managers in debian? |
| 03:54.30 | buu | challenged: Yeah, I forgot to enable it when I installed. |
| 03:54.35 | buu | tecta: vim ~/.xinitrc ! |
| 03:54.40 | Gnea | cef: naw, i've seen him chatter in the debian community before |
| 03:54.43 | madclicker_ | i can find ipopd in package repositories, but when i go to the "pool" folder in the ftp server it is not listed under "i", why is that? |
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| 03:54.56 | buu | madclicker_: To confuse you. |
| 03:55.12 | challenged | PeterS: vmware has 3 different network methods......bridged = normal for most but vmnet = same ip as main OS but nat forwarding |
| 03:55.17 | peterS | madclicker_: look under pool/main/u/uw-imap/ |
| 03:55.24 | Jamsi | How would I symlink a users mail address to /dev/null? |
| 03:55.25 | tecta | well i'm on fluxbox, and that file is blank |
| 03:55.38 | mwilson | Gnea: Sorry to disappoint you. |
| 03:55.39 | buu | By god I will suceed. |
| 03:55.44 | buu | tecta: How do you start fluxbox? |
| 03:55.45 | Gnea | mwilson: thank you for the clarification. |
| 03:55.49 | tecta | startx |
| 03:55.56 | cafuego | Jamsi: 'user: |/dev/null' in aliases |
| 03:56.00 | Gnea | no, you haven't disappointed me in the bit |
| 03:56.12 | Jamsi | cheers cafuego |
| 03:56.33 | buu | Vmware makes restarting windows so much more entertaining. |
| 03:56.51 | Jamsi | cafuego, restarting sendmail or just a make aliases should work? |
| 03:56.53 | cafuego | buu: How is it different from a physical box? |
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| 03:57.19 | cafuego | Jamsi: 'newaliases' I think for sendmail, it's been a couple of years since I used it. |
| 03:57.19 | peterS | Jamsi: run 'newaliases' |
| 03:57.30 | madclicker_ | peterS: not in a million years i would find that:) thanks |
| 03:57.31 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: the bios bootup screen is replaced with a vmware splash logo and behind i have my linux desktop |
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| 03:57.51 | Jamsi | cafuego, peterS, thanks :) |
| 03:57.52 | peterS | madclicker_: apt-cache show ipopd | grep Filename |
| 03:57.56 | challenged | OMG this light and heavy version of EXIM4 is just Dumb |
| 03:58.16 | buu | cafuego: What, vmware? |
| 03:58.22 | Gnea | challenged: eh? |
| 03:58.49 | Gnea | challenged: it's actually setup quite intelligently |
| 03:59.21 | madclicker_ | peterS: does "pool" directory contain packages for all releases? |
| 03:59.23 | peterS | madclicker_: the reason for this is that things are located based on the name of the *source* package, which in this case produces quite a few binary packages whose names give little hint about where they came from |
| 03:59.29 | peterS | madclicker_: and yes, all releases |
| 03:59.54 | peterS | including experimental |
| 03:59.54 | madclicker_ | roger |
| 03:59.59 | buu | Oh god. Why won't this just run |
| 04:00.01 | cafuego | buu: Just hit 'reset' button to restart windows. |
| 04:00.07 | challenged | Gnea: so how do i upgrade from light to heavy ....if i install it uninstalls a heap of stuff and then want to reconfig them |
| 04:00.08 | cafuego | buu: Works for Linux too. |
| 04:00.10 | buu | cafuego: Virtual machines are much faster. |
| 04:00.28 | cafuego | buu: You reckon? |
| 04:00.34 | Gnea | challenged: well yeah, they've got to compensate for the new mta |
| 04:00.42 | buu | cafuego: At least at restarting |
| 04:01.12 | cafuego | buu: [reset]+boot is a minute or so. |
| 04:01.17 | challenged | Gnea: why not just make it add whats missing...its the same program just more files in the deb |
| 04:01.23 | Jamsi | cafuego, that didn't seem to work? The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- |/dev/null (reason: Service unavailable) |
| 04:01.31 | Gnea | challenged: you don't replace a 25gallon tank with a 5 gallon tank and expect there to simply be no problems arising due to that |
| 04:01.47 | cafuego | Jamsi: Hmm. Well, it didn't get delivered! ;-) |
| 04:01.56 | challenged | Gnea: im going from light to heavy....i would expect it going smaller |
| 04:01.59 | mwilson | Gnea: Depends on whether or not you have more than 5 gal to put in it at one time. :) |
| 04:02.27 | Jamsi | Im getting so many Email-Worm.Win32.Sober.p |
| 04:02.33 | Jamsi | On my mail serve |
| 04:02.37 | challenged | Gnea: im ADDING parts of the heavy to light.....not removing light completely and all dependants and then installing heavy then all the crap it removed |
| 04:02.49 | Gnea | challenged: your expectations are based upon falsehoods then. dependancies can be tricky like that, you need to be able to compensate on a moment's notice otherwise fall behind |
| 04:03.05 | Gnea | mwilson: precisely. :) |
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| 04:03.47 | Jamsi | cafuego, all emails regarding "Virus found" blarh blarh, I have redirecting to null@localhost and I want those to be directed to /dev/null becuase the log file fills up fast :P |
| 04:03.50 | Gnea | Jamsi: are they being delivered? |
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| 04:04.20 | Gnea | Jamsi: i think procmail can do that |
| 04:04.21 | challenged | Gnea: ok so why doesnt it reinstall all the stuff that was dependant on the original ........its supposed to be upgrade not trash and rebuild |
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| 04:04.27 | Jamsi | Im getting emails back saying - smrsh: "null" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) |
| 04:04.28 | StR | Hi all!!! |
| 04:04.36 | Jamsi | and "(reason: Service unavailable)" |
| 04:04.46 | Jamsi | I don't want those emails :P |
| 04:04.53 | StR | What can I use to transform a mp3g to xvid or something like that? |
| 04:04.56 | karsten | Who owns dpkg? (the bot) |
| 04:04.57 | Gnea | challenged: sometimes trash and rebuild is part of upgrade. that's the way the ball bounces. |
| 04:05.09 | peterS | !who owns you |
| 04:05.09 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 04:05.15 | Gnea | challenged: again, you have to expect the unexpected. |
| 04:05.15 | karsten | peterS: thanks. |
| 04:05.28 | Gnea | there are no certainties, other than that there are uncertainties. |
| 04:05.39 | challenged | Gnea: any reason theres alight and heavy version at all really? |
| 04:05.46 | karsten | peterS: Any way to get a factoid dump? |
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| 04:06.01 | peterS | !my factoids |
| 04:06.01 | dpkg | my factoids are at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ |
| 04:06.07 | cafuego | karsten: you can download the whole DB |
| 04:06.13 | Jamsi | cafuego, Could I make a symlink to direct the null mail file to /dev/null ? |
| 04:06.13 | Gnea | challenged: depends on the application - exim4 was a complete rewrite from the ground up from exim3 |
| 04:06.33 | cafuego | Jamsi: Probably; procmail *might* complain about it. |
| 04:06.37 | challenged | Gnea: and the light and heavy version is a debian choice..... |
| 04:06.43 | peterS | karsten: the apt_dump.gz files at the above URL are mysql SQL dumps |
| 04:06.44 | Jamsi | Not using procmail |
| 04:06.54 | cafuego | Jamsi: Then a symlink will be fine. |
| 04:06.55 | challenged | Gnea: it's not exim4 that did this its the debdevs |
| 04:07.02 | Gnea | challenged: it was like this: "exim3 could do this and that... but exim4 can do this, that, these things, a bunch of these, and also thiS" |
| 04:07.13 | IDC | Ifi subscribe Debian Maillist,will it mail me in my preferred Language or English is and/or the only by default ? |
| 04:07.21 | karsten | peterS: Dig, thanks. |
| 04:07.33 | Gnea | challenged: have you actually read the full descriptions for these packages? |
| 04:07.42 | cafuego | IDC: English is spoken on all debian lists unless otherwise specified. |
| 04:07.57 | mwilson | IDC: Oddly enough, you'll receive the mail in the same language the OP *wrote* it in. |
| 04:07.59 | cafuego | IDC: Well, there's always the odd moron mexican... |
| 04:08.09 | furrywolf | lol |
| 04:08.11 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:08.12 | karsten | peterS: Any other meta commands for the bot? And where do you know 'em from? |
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| 04:08.18 | IDC | ? |
| 04:08.19 | mwilson | </sarcasm> |
| 04:08.20 | cafuego | !rima furrywolf |
| 04:08.21 | dpkg | furrywolf: Si usted no puede hablar ingles, va el #debian-es o apenas sale. |
| 04:08.24 | Jamsi | cafuego, ln -s /var/mail/null /dev/null ? |
| 04:08.50 | peterS | karsten: those two are just regular factoids and I just happened to remember them |
| 04:08.50 | cafuego | Jamsi: yep |
| 04:08.51 | cafuego | Jamsi: No! |
| 04:08.51 | challenged | Gnea: yeah most of it....what in particular do you think makes it 2 seperate versions of the same program? |
| 04:08.51 | Gnea | cafuego: i dunno man, some of those mexican can program like a horse eats ham.... |
| 04:08.51 | karsten | peterS: OK. |
| 04:08.51 | cafuego | Jamsi: cd /var/mail && ln -sf /dev/null |
| 04:08.59 | IDC | cafuego, here unless 'otherwise' specified, otherwise == depending on the writers ? |
| 04:09.17 | Jamsi | cafuego, that doesn't specifiy the mail user? |
| 04:09.20 | cafuego | IDC: Depending on the list name. debian-users-cn would be self-explanatory... |
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| 04:09.38 | cafuego | Jamsi: no, it automagically uses the same filename if you don't specify one |
| 04:09.39 | Jamsi | ln -sf null /dev/null |
| 04:09.43 | cafuego | Jamsi: NO! |
| 04:09.48 | cafuego | Jamsi: other way around. |
| 04:09.53 | cafuego | Jamsi: ln -sf /dev/null null |
| 04:09.53 | Waqarioz | have a question on spamassasin if anyone knows...im running it with a sbl list check in the conf but it doesnt seem to be working...any clues? |
| 04:09.55 | IDC | cafuego, so where to find 'debian-users-cn' ? |
| 04:10.03 | cafuego | IDC: it was just an example. |
| 04:10.10 | IDC | oh.I see.thanks |
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| 04:10.16 | kofj | what's sarge????????????? |
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| 04:10.36 | Gnea | challenged: not every system is going to be designed as an internet site, and many ISP's currently limit what sort of traffic can and cannot be sent over their links |
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| 04:10.56 | IDC | kofj, i am using sarge ,its nice,and its becoming the 'stable release' soon |
| 04:11.11 | kofj | thanks, 3 iso file? |
| 04:11.35 | kofj | sarge-i386-1.iso ,sarge-i386-business,sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:11.36 | peterS | kofj: normally you just use a 100MB netinst iso file and it downloads whatever else you want |
| 04:11.37 | nevyn | IDC: end of the month unless it slips. |
| 04:11.43 | IDC | kofj, i think 'sarge' as long as 'potato' ,'woody' ...just the callsign of the Debian productive release |
| 04:11.56 | mwilson | nevyn: Don't you mean "until"? |
| 04:11.57 | Gnea | kofj: oooo where'd you find that netinst.iso? |
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| 04:12.03 | kofj | should I download sarge-i386-1.iso?? |
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| 04:12.12 | nevyn | mwilson: call me an optimist. |
| 04:12.13 | Gnea | !??? |
| 04:12.19 | peterS | kofj: probably not. you probably just want sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:12.24 | challenged | Gnea: according to what im reading the only diff is the exiscan.acl......just seems dumb to me considering they came from the same source.... |
| 04:12.27 | kofj | to Gena:http://61.132.102.124/debian-cd/sarge/rc3/ |
| 04:12.33 | IDC | nevyn, good news |
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| 04:13.15 | Waqarioz | have a question on spamassasin if anyone knows...im running it with a sbl list check in the conf but it doesnt seem to be working...any clues? |
| 04:13.17 | Gnea | challenged: ok, if there's a machine being installed and the site it's on is not connected to the internet at all, then the threat of spam and viruses is considerably reduced, no? |
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| 04:14.05 | madclicker_ | can someone help me with this error "-ERR Unknown AUTHORIZATION state command" when i try to authenticate to the pop server? |
| 04:14.10 | challenged | Gnea: correct but exim heavy is not clamav and SA its only got support for it....its a 45KB difference in exim |
| 04:14.22 | nevyn | IDC: http://www.debianplanet.org/ |
| 04:14.30 | challenged | Gnea: clam av and spamassasin ARE NOT dependancies |
| 04:15.10 | Gnea | challenged: correct, exim4-daemon-heavy is the dependancy |
| 04:15.23 | mwilson | nevyn: Why pay any attention to either one? |
| 04:15.38 | IDC | nevyn, ok |
| 04:15.54 | L00thar | Who else knows what mwilson refuses to tell me about section INVOCATION in 'man bash' re my trying to login to a host with a bum .bashrc (by way of .bash_profile)? |
| 04:16.01 | challenged | Gnea: so it makes no sense to have 2 pakages for the same program |
| 04:16.01 | nevyn | mwilson: cause the former is sometimes funny and the latter is sometimes useful. |
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| 04:16.54 | Gnea | challenged: nope, because exim4-daemon-light doesn't have the support for things like spamassassin - that's why heavy exists |
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| 04:17.02 | bltzfsck | my nvidia xserver is acting wierd |
| 04:17.09 | mwilson | nevyn: Isn't planet.d.n just DD's talking about themselves? |
| 04:17.12 | Gnea | challenged: it may not make sense to you, but it makes sense to others |
| 04:17.31 | Gnea | challenged: and just because something isn't viable for one doesn't mean that it should be shoved down everyone elses throat |
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| 04:17.37 | bltzfsck | if the computer reboots abnormally, i.e. power outage, when it reboots there's no xserver and i have to reinstall it |
| 04:18.54 | Gnea | bltzfsck: buy a UPS |
| 04:19.12 | Gnea | APC makes really nice ones |
| 04:19.42 | bltzfsck | gnea, that's a hardware solution to a software problem isnt it? |
| 04:19.49 | L00thar | hehe |
| 04:20.01 | Gnea | bltzfsck: without the hardware the software is useless |
| 04:20.02 | bltzfsck | i never had this prob with any other xserver, including the xv |
| 04:20.21 | L00thar | bltzfsck: WHat do you mean 'disappear'? |
| 04:20.24 | bltzfsck | gnea, and vice versa, eh? |
| 04:20.37 | IDC | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main ,should i change 'stable' to 'sarge' as i m reading that it says security support is available ? |
| 04:20.45 | Gnea | bltzfsck: correct. a UPS greatly reduces the threat of data loss. |
| 04:20.49 | bltzfsck | loothar, the xfree log just exits with signal 11 |
| 04:21.24 | Gnea | IDC: with security it's always stable |
| 04:21.29 | buu | peterS: For the love of jesus, make this wor =[ |
| 04:21.33 | IDC | Gnea, roger :) |
| 04:21.38 | bltzfsck | loothar, i never could get it to work the debian way, so i used the nvidia installer |
| 04:21.39 | Gnea | otherwise you'll break it :) |
| 04:21.51 | challenged | Gnea: that makes no sense.......the exim4 in heavy is the same as light except for 1 35 K file and a patch which is rolled into exim4 source |
| 04:21.52 | peterS | buu: I have to fix your sound *and* your vmware? |
| 04:21.56 | buu | peterS: Yes =] |
| 04:22.05 | buu | peterS: Actually I doubt you can make this work. This is ridiculous |
| 04:22.08 | bltzfsck | it's an executable installer,a nd if i just re run it, everything's fine again |
| 04:22.13 | caphuso | challenged: who told you that nonsense? |
| 04:22.16 | Gnea | L00thar: i dunno bout that... |
| 04:22.20 | peterS | buu: I doubt it too. I've never touched vmware. I don't know the first thing about it |
| 04:22.24 | kofj | vmware is wonderful ,but it's not free |
| 04:22.26 | challenged | Gnea: what that means is the next version of light isgoing to be the one in heavy minus the non dependand which shouldn't be dependant |
| 04:22.36 | nevyn | mwilson: and life and stuff. yeah |
| 04:22.41 | L00thar | bltzfsck: i do not know this thing. sorry. |
| 04:23.05 | bltzfsck | loothar, i think the nvidia driver is kind of jicky |
| 04:23.16 | buu | peterS: I'm just really frustrated that this won't work =[ |
| 04:23.18 | Gnea | challenged: it makes perfect logical sense, just take a look at the source |
| 04:23.23 | buu | At this point I'd pay lots of money to make it work |
| 04:23.25 | peterS | buu: yeah |
| 04:23.34 | bltzfsck | it's never worked smoothly, but without it i cant play 3D GOLF!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:23.39 | Gnea | challenged: that's what it's there for :) |
| 04:23.46 | bltzfsck | or run blender |
| 04:24.13 | Gnea | imagine a world without 3D golf... |
| 04:24.16 | Moonscope | hey, is this error bad? "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:41 |
| 04:24.29 | Gnea | yeah, i don't like it either ;) |
| 04:24.42 | L00thar | note |
| 04:24.44 | L00thar | nite |
| 04:24.49 | Gnea | heh |
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| 04:25.03 | Gnea | Moonscope: probably |
| 04:25.12 | Moonscope | Gnea: is there a way to fix it? |
| 04:25.23 | Gnea | Moonscope: most definately |
| 04:25.31 | Moonscope | Gnea: umm, now? |
| 04:25.37 | challenged | All im saying is it makes no sense to install the same program 2 times to get the right version....maybee im doing something wrong but i dont see why |
| 04:25.38 | Gnea | Moonscope: yes |
| 04:25.42 | Moonscope | Gnea: how? |
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| 04:26.00 | Gnea | Moonscope: carefully - what is the source of your kernel? |
| 04:26.19 | Gnea | challenged: you can't install it twice anyway |
| 04:26.27 | Moonscope | 2.2 i think |
| 04:26.31 | Gnea | it has failsafes |
| 04:26.43 | Gnea | Moonscope: you think? |
| 04:26.47 | Gnea | better find out... |
| 04:27.18 | Moonscope | Gnea: umm, how, i dont have a console. |
| 04:27.29 | Moonscope | dont have a prompt |
| 04:27.31 | Gnea | Moonscope: how are you booting it? |
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| 04:27.51 | Jamsi | cafuego, you still around? |
| 04:27.56 | Moonscope | ive got a monitor and keyboard but it is on boot that it gives the kernel panic |
| 04:28.08 | challenged | Gnea: well netinstaller installed exim4-light........i just did apt-get install exim4-daemon-heavy. it uninstalled postgre,postgre-contri,popper,mailx and then reinstalled on a couple of the ones in uninstalled |
| 04:28.17 | merlin__ | does anyone know how to get full package names in dpkg -l |
| 04:28.30 | challenged | merlin lines200 |
| 04:28.30 | merlin__ | ii kernel-image-2.2.18pre11-va2.11-s stan1 |
| 04:28.36 | Gnea | Moonscope: that's not very descriptive. |
| 04:28.49 | challenged | lines=200 &dpkg -l |
| 04:28.59 | Gnea | challenged: odd, for sarge? |
| 04:29.00 | challenged | i think it was |
| 04:29.13 | challenged | Gnea: yeah thus my confusion.. |
| 04:29.15 | Moonscope | Gnea: the system boots and has a kernel panic on boot, i dont actually get to a prompt where i can interface with the os |
| 04:29.25 | Moonscope | Gnea: so i cant really check what kernel it is. |
| 04:29.34 | peterS | challenged: without the & |
| 04:29.37 | merlin__ | challenged: sounds promising, but 'lines=200 dpkg -l' didn't quite do it |
| 04:30.08 | Gnea | Moonscope: what i'm asking is this: what bootloader are you using: lilo or grub? how did you install it? what version of debian is that? how did you install it? what's the filesystem type of the root partition you're trying to load? how long ago did you install it? will you please pay me? :) |
| 04:30.51 | Gnea | Moonscope: that's BS, there's always a way to get a prompt. |
| 04:30.54 | nevyn | does the mtu for a ppp connection need to be symetric? |
| 04:30.58 | Gnea | you just have to learn how |
| 04:31.27 | merlin__ | peterS: do you know what the exact syntax for longer name columns in dpkg is? |
| 04:31.49 | challenged | Gnea: what i was expecting was apt-get install exim4-filtered or something which then overwrites the exim4 daemon and puts a readme with what options are now available |
| 04:31.53 | Moonscope | Gnea: i believe it is debian sarge(could be woody) 2.2 kernel and using lilo as bootloader |
| 04:32.03 | peterS | merlin__: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l works |
| 04:32.25 | merlin__ | peterS: that's exactly what I was looking for, thanks much |
| 04:32.34 | Gnea | Moonscope: ok, gotta be woody then, cuz sarge has 2.4 as a base with 2.6 option |
| 04:33.00 | Moonscope | Gnea: ahh ok, cool, so what are my options for getting a prompt |
| 04:33.09 | IDC | does debian.org offers email service ? Because it's kinda funny that you are using Linux in the meantime your main Email provider is .Hotmail.com :D |
| 04:33.33 | Gnea | challenged: so next time that happens and it uninstalls some stuff, and it tells you what it's gonna uninstall, cut 'n paste the list somewhere before it does so you can install them again |
| 04:33.52 | caphuso | it shouldn't have uninstalled anything but exim4-daemon-light |
| 04:33.53 | Gnea | challenged: you expected *something* - first mistake. |
| 04:34.20 | Gnea | caphuso: there's probably something being left out |
| 04:34.33 | caphuso | Gnea: s/probably// |
| 04:34.37 | challenged | Gnea: yeah ive done that and reinstalled the MIAs ...the next version of exim-light will defunt the heavy version anyway |
| 04:34.39 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:34.51 | caphuso | challenged: the next version will do what? |
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| 04:35.04 | Gnea | challenged: how sure are you of that? |
| 04:35.24 | challenged | caphuso: include the support for calmav/spamassasin etc |
| 04:35.36 | caphuso | challenged: and why would that happen? |
| 04:35.47 | challenged | Starting with Exim Release 4.50, the exiscan patch is fully included in Exim. |
| 04:35.50 | Gnea | that is unrealistic. |
| 04:35.56 | challenged | march 05 news on exim site |
| 04:35.59 | caphuso | challenged: that has nothing to do with it |
| 04:36.02 | Gnea | challenged: wrong. |
| 04:36.07 | Gnea | challenged: that is for exim. |
| 04:36.08 | caphuso | that's a completely different thing |
| 04:36.25 | caphuso | and will not in any way affect how the debian packages of exim4 are being built |
| 04:36.37 | Gnea | challenged: exim4-daemon-light and exim4-daemon-heavy are the debianized versions of exim4 |
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| 04:37.18 | challenged | yeah but the differences between the packages is gone when the exiscan patch is in |
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| 04:37.23 | caphuso | challenged: bullshit |
| 04:37.36 | caphuso | challenged: go read the package descriptions |
| 04:37.46 | challenged | kk ill go look again |
| 04:38.11 | caphuso | look out for words like "perl" and "mysql' |
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| 04:40.25 | Gnea | challenged: if that were to actually happen it wouldn't be seen in stable versions for quite awhile |
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| 04:40.41 | Gnea | it would have to pass the rigors of the testing phase |
| 04:41.01 | caphuso | the exiscan patch has been included in the debian exim4 since late 2003 |
| 04:41.27 | Gnea | right. |
| 04:41.28 | caphuso | and has been dropped in february this year |
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| 04:41.55 | Gnea | but i believe he was referring to things like spamassassin and clamav hooks being built-in mandatorily.. maybe i'm wrong |
| 04:42.21 | challenged | caphuso: what the default light install by netinstaller? is exiscan patched? |
| 04:42.36 | bbmj | i'm running a script that reads a variable and creates and chown a directory based on the read var. thing is it's creating the directory on a remote server and the variable won't go with it. and ideas? /usr/bin/ssh root@mail '/bin/test -d' /usr/home/$wmailperm || '/bin/mkdir' /usr/home/$wmailperm |
| 04:42.48 | caphuso | challenged: yes, of course, but it's not turned on. you need -heavy for it |
| 04:43.13 | caphuso | challenged: both versions are built of the same source, with different configurations |
| 04:44.08 | Gnea | bbmj: write the script as a file starting with #!/bin/sh and have your ssh line execute that |
| 04:44.16 | Moonscope | Gnea: so what can i di? |
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| 04:44.27 | bbmj | Gnea, this is a snipit. |
| 04:44.39 | Gnea | bbmj: i realize that. |
| 04:44.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:45.07 | Gnea | Moonscope: when lilo is booting hold down ctrl or shift |
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| 04:45.52 | shurik | it'd be nice to have dpkg bot which you have on this channel to be installed locally on my system so I can use it in shell similar to man or perldoc :) |
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| 04:46.20 | Gnea | shurik: apt-get install pinfo |
| 04:46.21 | Moonscope | Gnea: i have chosen all the options and they are all giving the same error |
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| 04:46.50 | Moonscope | Gnea: the line above the one i asked about says "Please append a correct "root=" boot option" |
| 04:46.55 | Gnea | Moonscope: then probably the root device isn't being detected by the kernel |
| 04:47.05 | shurik | alternative info viewr ? |
| 04:47.13 | Gnea | Moonscope: right, you need to tell it what the root device is... |
| 04:47.28 | Gnea | shurik: yeah, works great with manpages too |
| 04:47.31 | Moonscope | Gnea: ok, what are the steps... boot from a live cd or seomthing? |
| 04:47.38 | challenged | caphuso: yeah i see the perl and mysql dependancies in heavy.....and ok so atm maybee light and heavy make sense.....but its still not working correctly i dont think. ill paste some stuff to flood for you to see |
| 04:47.41 | shurik | we need the database with the answers |
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| 04:47.54 | Gnea | shurik: some of them have actual info files (like grub) which makes documentation navigation and finding what you're looking for easier |
| 04:48.09 | caphuso | "atm"?!? |
| 04:48.15 | Gnea | shurik: work! :) |
| 04:48.20 | caphuso | challenged: you seriously out of your league. stop talking out of your ass |
| 04:48.24 | shurik | Gnea: it's not about the utility to view it it's about getting the infomration first :) |
| 04:48.49 | caphuso | challenged: urgh, why are you using "apt-get remove"? |
| 04:48.57 | caphuso | no wonder it's removing stuff... |
| 04:49.01 | Gnea | shurik: your not thinking outside the box then |
| 04:49.30 | Gnea | Moonscope: well i really don't know, you haven't given us enough to go on |
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| 04:50.15 | Gnea | Moonscope: all you've said is that you 'think' it's a woody system, you haven't answered all of the questions i asked |
| 04:50.38 | Moonscope | Gnea: so i need to alter the lilo.conf file to give the root= answer |
| 04:50.55 | challenged | caphuso: i didn't remove but by typing that i was seeing what it was going to remove |
| 04:51.01 | Gnea | Moonscope: so do it |
| 04:51.13 | Moonscope | Gnea: unfortunately i would love to answer all the questions, but i simply dont know, i didnt build the server, my predecessor did |
| 04:51.13 | caphuso | challenged: you do want to install the exim4-daemon-heavy package, right? |
| 04:51.38 | Moonscope | Gnea: but im going to see how i go altering the lilo.conf and go from there. |
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| 04:51.59 | Gnea | Moonscope: that's fine, give the cd a boot and figure out the root device and have at it :) |
| 04:52.08 | challenged | caphuso: well what i want is clamav and spamassasin support in exim4 which i get by going to the heavy i beleive...for which i typed apt-get insatl exim4-daemon-heavy... |
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| 04:52.33 | caphuso | challenged: right |
| 04:52.37 | challenged | caphuso: it's all good ive got it all installed and working again but it didnt seem right to me thus this conversation |
| 04:52.57 | Gnea | challenged: no see, heavy only provides the base support for those packages which need to be installed along with some glue to hold them together, such as sa-exim |
| 04:53.17 | caphuso | challenged: you don't have exim4-daemon-heavy installed |
| 04:54.05 | Gnea | challenged: are you aware of the apt-cache command? |
| 04:54.46 | challenged | caphuso: yes i do .... |
| 04:54.51 | caphuso | challenged: no, you don't |
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| 04:55.22 | caphuso | if you're able to uninstall the exim4-daemon-light package with apt-get, then you by definition do not have the -heavy one installed |
| 04:55.51 | challenged | caphuso: i have 2 boxes......the dev box and production |
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| 04:56.10 | challenged | caphuso: that was a paste from the production |
| 04:56.25 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 04:56.41 | Gnea | caphuso: small steps... ((1+1)*2+4)*3.14 |
| 04:56.49 | caphuso | challenged: and you don't think this piece of information could have been useful to improve my understanding of your situation? |
| 04:56.56 | caphuso | damnit |
| 04:57.00 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:57.37 | Gnea | caphuso: see, he's been brainwashed into thinking that everyone knows the same thing everywhere |
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| 04:58.22 | caphuso | Gnea: we'd still be banging rocks if everyone knew just the same things he does... |
| 04:58.34 | Gnea | caphuso: rofl |
| 04:58.56 | karsten | caphuso: What? You haven't figured out esp yet? I'm *so* disappointed in you. |
| 05:00.02 | caphuso | karsten: that's an improvement. most people get angry when they realize i can't read their minds probably |
| 05:00.36 | Gnea | caphuso: funny, i tend to find people get angry when i *do* read their minds correctly |
| 05:00.47 | karsten | caphuso: Female companions included? |
| 05:01.01 | Gnea | but in reality it's nothing like that |
| 05:01.11 | karsten | Gnea: Damnit, I ESP'd you not to tell him that. |
| 05:01.25 | Gnea | karsten: sorry, i have a mind of my own :) |
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| 05:01.42 | karsten | Gnea: That's nothing. |
| 05:01.47 | karsten | Gnea: I've got a mind with a mind of its own. |
| 05:01.59 | Gnea | oh is that all? |
| 05:02.01 | caphuso | karsten: especially those :) |
| 05:02.01 | Gnea | pffft |
| 05:02.15 | Gnea | karsten: and this has been for how long? :) |
| 05:02.21 | karsten | caphuso: "It's the carrots, stupid!" |
| 05:02.26 | karsten | caphuso: ...there's a story behind that. |
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| 05:03.56 | caphuso | grrr... three cans of strong black tea and i still crave for a cup of coffee |
| 05:04.34 | Gnea | lol |
| 05:04.38 | bob2 | you get tea in *cans* |
| 05:04.42 | Gnea | what's wrong with coffee? |
| 05:05.13 | whm | firefox with flashplayer pluging often crashed ??how to solve it |
| 05:05.23 | caphuso | err, pot, not can |
| 05:05.26 | caphuso | stupid false friends |
| 05:05.34 | gravity | whm: Sadly, write a Free flash player. |
| 05:05.50 | gravity | whm: As in "there's no real solution to buggy closed source software problems" |
| 05:05.51 | challenged | ok well if everyone thinks thats right i guess it is...I still dont see why postgre wanted to go |
| 05:06.00 | whm | o |
| 05:06.22 | Gnea | challenged: look at the dependancies. |
| 05:06.30 | whm | pity |
| 05:06.44 | whm | it works well on konqueror |
| 05:06.57 | Gnea | whm: but can it print as well? |
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| 05:07.33 | whm | print???havn't tried |
| 05:07.38 | doleyb | whm: install "click-for-flash" so that the flash plugin doesn't usually run in firefox. only when you need it. |
| 05:07.52 | Moonscope | Gnea: so when trying to change the lilo.conf file through a live cd, it comes up as read-only, how do i change it from read only? |
| 05:07.57 | whm | i see |
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| 05:08.37 | Gnea | Moonscope: there's a script in /etc/init.d/ that shows how... something about 'remount' |
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| 05:13.10 | ignatius | hi folks |
| 05:13.16 | ignatius | so |
| 05:13.22 | YaleR | when sarge gets frozen, will I be unable to upgrade my debian any further? |
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| 05:13.35 | ignatius | I seem to have broken dpkg |
| 05:13.37 | Gnea | YaleR: sarge is frozen. |
| 05:13.46 | YaleR | Gnea: what does it mean exactly? |
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| 05:14.06 | Gnea | !frozen |
| 05:14.07 | dpkg | methinks frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
| 05:14.20 | YaleR | ugh :( |
| 05:14.36 | YaleR | Gnea: does this mean a newer version would mean I would have to reformat? |
| 05:14.39 | Gnea | if you want the latest then use unstable |
| 05:14.40 | zophyx | like, i think they could sneak in a few new feature |
| 05:14.45 | ignatius | I tried manually ripping exim out of my system. I deleted the /etc/exim, and now when I try to do an apt on anything I get "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package 'exim-daemon-light' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed." |
| 05:14.52 | madclicker_ | g'night |
| 05:15.04 | ignatius | how do I rip something out of apt so it doesn't keep trying to remove it now? |
| 05:15.05 | YaleR | ignatius: how about using apt-get to remove things you don't want |
| 05:15.06 | Gnea | YaleR: naw, just s/sarge/sid/g in your sources.list and upgrade |
| 05:15.24 | ignatius | YaleR: yeah yeah... preaching to the choir. hindsight's 20/20, etc. |
| 05:15.25 | caphuso | ignatius: dpkg --remove|--purge the exim packages |
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| 05:15.35 | YaleR | Gnea: if I leave my sources, will it just start upgrading me with sid as it becomes stable? |
| 05:16.04 | NmeA|Boa | Hallo. Can someone please tell me how to install a ftp server on Debian? I'm terribly new at this :-) |
| 05:16.16 | Gnea | eventually sid will become testing, so it's theoretical |
| 05:16.17 | YaleR | NmeA|Boa: I like to use vsftpd |
| 05:16.23 | caphuso | ignatius: and why the fuck did you decice to break the package management system in the first place? |
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| 05:16.30 | caphuso | /cic/cid/ |
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| 05:16.33 | YaleR | NmeA|Boa: there are many though, you can run them in several ways |
| 05:16.34 | zophyx | if i did a dist upgrade to sid from sarge right now, what would i end up with ? |
| 05:16.36 | Twisted_Emotions | YaleR: Stable releases only get security updates I'm preety sure... |
| 05:16.40 | Gnea | NmeA|Boa: proftpd is good |
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| 05:16.49 | caphuso | zophyx: obviously with sid |
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| 05:16.55 | YaleR | NmeA|Boa: using init.d (which turns on the server as somebody tries to connect) or as a daemon - which sits waiting |
| 05:17.06 | zophyx | caphuso: would it boot ? |
| 05:17.10 | caphuso | zophyx: perhaps |
| 05:17.11 | ignatius | caphuso: it must be nice never to have made a mistake in your life. |
| 05:17.11 | Gnea | zophyx: probably messed up |
| 05:17.25 | Gnea | zophyx: better to upgrade then dist-upgrade |
| 05:17.26 | ignatius | what's that like? |
| 05:17.28 | caphuso | ignatius: well, there are mistakes and things that are obviously a stupid idea |
| 05:17.40 | zophyx | Gnea: ? |
| 05:17.43 | Gnea | ignatius: annoying :) |
| 05:17.53 | ignatius | now you're just pissing me off. How about being constructive instead of being a turd burglar about it? |
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| 05:18.03 | zophyx | Gnea: just change the sources.list and upgrade ? |
| 05:18.14 | Gnea | ignatius: you're the turdburgler. now drop the turds. |
| 05:18.18 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:18.28 | Gnea | zophyx: basically, yeah |
| 05:18.32 | Atula | I was wondering, is there a command in Debian/Unix to purge delete files? sometimes... when I rm files... the hard drive aren't freed until I reboot comp |
| 05:18.32 | YaleR | NmeA|Boa: if you need any help pm me, I have vsftpd running perfectly in both states |
| 05:18.32 | ignatius | ...or my mom will shoot! |
| 05:18.38 | Gnea | update, upgrade, dist-upgrade |
| 05:18.41 | Gnea | and yer homefree |
| 05:18.53 | NmeA|Boa | great, thanks YaleR |
| 05:19.17 | caphuso | Atula: don't delete files that applications still have opened |
| 05:19.26 | Atula | oh |
| 05:19.34 | Gnea | heh |
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| 05:19.45 | Gnea | ignatius: aren't you glad you're only a turd burgler? :) |
| 05:19.56 | Atula | caphuso, is that why? I see.... when I watch movies.... I tend to delete them after I close the darn thing... since I only have 3 gigs of HD |
| 05:20.05 | ignatius | hmm |
| 05:20.08 | Twisted_Emotions | He cant type... he has his keyboard behind his head |
| 05:20.22 | Gnea | naw you said terd not turd |
| 05:20.24 | Gnea | it's too late |
| 05:20.26 | caphuso | Atula: well, if the space doesn't get freed, something keeps them open |
| 05:20.26 | ignatius | isn't there any way to just delete all the stuff manually and then manually go in and tell apt it never existed? |
| 05:20.28 | zophyx | is there a debian app to track the migration/hibernation of the Asian Lady beetle ? |
| 05:20.32 | Twisted_Emotions | Awwww.... |
| 05:20.43 | Atula | caphuso, I see. thank you. |
| 05:20.44 | caphuso | ignatius: sure |
| 05:21.01 | Twisted_Emotions | oh well.. gnite guys.. gotta wake up at the crack of dawn to study.. laaaate |
| 05:21.03 | Atula | how do I get Vietnamese font on my comp? |
| 05:21.04 | YaleR | ignatius: apt-get remove --purge exim4? |
| 05:21.06 | caphuso | ignatius: how good is your knowledge of the guts of the debian package management system? |
| 05:21.09 | Gnea | ignatius: apt-get remove <package> && dpkg --purge <package> |
| 05:21.14 | Atula | it's pretty basic... I tried with some stuff.... didn't work. |
| 05:21.27 | caphuso | apt-get --purge remove package |
| 05:21.33 | YaleR | or that way... :S |
| 05:21.34 | ignatius | Gnea: those commands don't work |
| 05:21.46 | Atula | caphuso, --purge? what's that? |
| 05:21.53 | Gnea | ignatius: right, that was an example, of course <package> is going to fail.... |
| 05:21.55 | YaleR | deletes config files |
| 05:22.00 | caphuso | Atula: an apt-get option or a dpkg action |
| 05:22.04 | zophyx | it removes the config files |
| 05:22.08 | ignatius | Gnea: no I know... for the exim packages |
| 05:22.22 | Gnea | ignatius: oh... why? |
| 05:22.26 | YaleR | exim is a b*word |
| 05:22.26 | caphuso | ignatius: how about you simply tell us what problem you want to solve |
| 05:22.52 | ignatius | caphuso: I would like to manually go in and strip the packaging system of any reference that exim ever existed |
| 05:22.59 | Atula | thanks for the help. later. |
| 05:23.09 | caphuso | ignatius: 1) you can't do that. 2) that's not the problem, that's a fucked wannabe solution |
| 05:23.25 | caphuso | ignatius: so, what is your problem? |
| 05:23.35 | Gnea | bedtime indeed |
| 05:23.37 | ignatius | ow! glass! |
| 05:23.37 | Gnea | later all |
| 05:23.57 | YaleR | later Gnea |
| 05:24.10 | ignatius | I can't remove / purge exim from this machine, because it's giving me dependency problems (explained above) |
| 05:24.11 | YaleR | ignatius: put exim back where it belongs |
| 05:24.14 | ignatius | but I would like to get rid of it |
| 05:24.22 | ignatius | YaleR: hard to do when you've rm -rf'd it |
| 05:24.25 | ignatius | ;) |
| 05:24.27 | YaleR | lol |
| 05:24.28 | caphuso | ignatius: still not your problem |
| 05:24.34 | YaleR | I should send you mine :P |
| 05:24.38 | caphuso | ignatius: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 05:24.53 | ignatius | caphuso: remove all references to exim so I can install a fresh copy |
| 05:25.15 | caphuso | ignatius: so all you want to do is reinstalling exim? that's simple. get the .deb packages and dpkg -i them |
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| 05:25.45 | ignatius | caphuso: that doesn't work. |
| 05:25.47 | soup | whats a good terminal emulator for two computers connected with a serial port? |
| 05:25.47 | caphuso | "aptitude download foo" is an easy way to do that |
| 05:25.52 | caphuso | ignatius: why not? |
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| 05:26.30 | ignatius | because everytime I attempt to install it, dpkg says "serious warning: files list file for package 'exim4-config' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed" |
| 05:26.34 | dob1 | hi |
| 05:26.55 | caphuso | ignatius: that's a compartively harmless warning in this case |
| 05:26.55 | YaleR | ignatius: ... what files are you missing, I'll send the whole thing |
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| 05:27.03 | noname | hello |
| 05:27.08 | ignatius | oh wait |
| 05:27.18 | noname | any idea on how to install amule on debian? |
| 05:27.23 | ignatius | I think the power of the #debian freenode channel has fixed it |
| 05:27.43 | caphuso | be glad that this strangling attempt didn't work... |
| 05:28.02 | ignatius | caphuso: stupid glass... getting in my way. I'm too fat to fit through the cat5 cable anyway |
| 05:28.04 | dob1 | i have some text files in a directory but some of them are gzipped, it is possible to concatenate all these files ? i mean cat file1 file2 file3 gunzipping the one that are in gz format? |
| 05:28.27 | ignatius | I'm pretty good with deb, actually, and have few problems. Even running the nightmare that is pure64 |
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| 05:29.03 | ignatius | and I love the packaging system like it's a brownie at fat camp. I would cry if I hurt it. |
| 05:29.26 | YaleR | lol |
| 05:29.35 | YaleR | ignatius: then use it next time :P |
| 05:29.42 | YaleR | instead of getting mad at a group of files |
| 05:29.50 | ignatius | I always use it |
| 05:30.03 | ignatius | but sometimes I think I'm smarter than it is |
| 05:30.05 | ignatius | and it proves me wrong |
| 05:30.25 | ignatius | my stupid ego |
| 05:30.39 | ignatius | now that I've got exim4 set back up |
| 05:30.52 | caphuso | dob1: hrm... something lile ( for a in *; do if [[ "$a" == *.gz ]]; then zcat "$a"; else cat "$a"; fi ) > newfile |
| 05:30.54 | ignatius | anyone else use it to point to a smarthost? |
| 05:31.07 | doleyb | yes exim |
| 05:31.19 | ignatius | good |
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| 05:31.26 | ignatius | I'll be needing help with that I'm sure. |
| 05:31.46 | caphuso | ignatius: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and choose the smarthost option |
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| 05:31.49 | ignatius | I want to set this machine up as a direct smtp server, not as a smarthost |
| 05:31.56 | ignatius | caphuso: yeah I'm in the middle of that |
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| 05:32.06 | bdlug66 | ls |
| 05:32.10 | bdlug66 | hello |
| 05:32.17 | bdlug66 | how to see mac address in sarge |
| 05:32.22 | bdlug66 | in shell |
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| 05:32.24 | caphuso | bdlug66: ifconfig |
| 05:32.36 | Moonscope | how do i force a chkdsk on a drive to repair it..? |
| 05:32.43 | noname | any idea on how to install amule on debian? |
| 05:32.57 | bdlug66 | thanx |
| 05:32.58 | bdlug66 | bye |
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| 05:33.09 | caphuso | Moonscope: drive or filesystem? |
| 05:33.13 | ignatius | noname: aptitude install amule? |
| 05:33.15 | ignatius | I run aMule |
| 05:33.53 | Moonscope | caphuso: both |
| 05:33.53 | noname | ignatius: thanks. why didn't apt-get work ? |
| 05:34.17 | noname | ignatius: amule cannot be found |
| 05:34.20 | ignatius | noname: erm... I just said "aptitude" because that's what I've been using for a few months. |
| 05:34.24 | ignatius | well |
| 05:34.34 | noname | ignatius: should i need to add a proper repos? |
| 05:34.36 | ignatius | you've probably not got the right sources enabled |
| 05:34.40 | ignatius | probably |
| 05:34.44 | caphuso | Moonscope: fsck for the filesystem, and tell it to run badblocks. but you can't repair broken drives, so get a new one ASAP |
| 05:34.53 | noname | how can i add a repo? suppose it's called ftp.debian.us |
| 05:34.53 | ignatius | I got mine from alioth, but I don't know if it was contrib or what... probably contrib |
| 05:35.09 | ignatius | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:35.33 | ignatius | and look for deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian contrib |
| 05:35.34 | noname | ignatius: isn't there an automatic tool to search and select a source repo? |
| 05:35.43 | caphuso | noname: apt-setup |
| 05:35.47 | noname | thanks |
| 05:35.48 | ignatius | yes, but I don't use it |
| 05:35.49 | ignatius | right |
| 05:35.55 | ignatius | pfft |
| 05:36.16 | karsten | PCMCIA: Starting PCMCIA services: cardmgr[7392]: no sockets found! |
| 05:36.20 | karsten | Suggestions? |
| 05:37.22 | noname | as far as i understood not every ftp repos contain the same packages right? |
| 05:37.41 | jm_ | they do if they're Debian mirrors |
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| 05:38.14 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Does the general purpose computing device in quesiton have any PCMCIA slots? |
| 05:38.16 | jm_ | there was a difference with respect to non-us, which was not available on all mirrors, but that's no longer an issue |
| 05:38.44 | bucky | with debian-amd64 you have to know your mirror before install |
| 05:38.47 | doleyb | well, now there is the non-legal mirror, which is popular. |
| 05:38.50 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: Indeed it does. With a known working card in it. |
| 05:39.00 | noname | damn |
| 05:39.18 | noname | how can i add a repo containg "amule" by using an automatic tool? |
| 05:39.29 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: God hates you, maybe? :) |
| 05:39.31 | ignatius | anyway |
| 05:39.36 | ignatius | thanks caphuso |
| 05:39.47 | ignatius | you're a salty bastard, but quite helpful |
| 05:39.49 | noname | apt-setup always shows mirrors not containing amule |
| 05:40.02 | noname | i need to choose one containing this damn amule |
| 05:40.03 | kullanici | how can i install v4l for debian? |
| 05:40.05 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: All the signs are pointing that way. |
| 05:40.14 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: ... Phated does too FWIW. |
| 05:40.27 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: I know the feeling man. |
| 05:40.28 | kullanici | i've a tv card(bt878).. |
| 05:40.29 | karsten | ignatius: Don't tell him that, it breaks his heart. |
| 05:40.35 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: No comment on that one. |
| 05:40.37 | doleyb | kullanici: v4l is probably already there in your kernel. just add some apps like xawtv or something. |
| 05:40.52 | scarynetworkguy | How you been other than PCMCIA troubles? |
| 05:40.54 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: PCMCIA support modules required? Or does pcmcia services handle that? |
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| 05:41.15 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: Broke, jobless, nobody to love, the ususal. |
| 05:41.32 | mohohaha | anyone noticed linux.org is down? |
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| 05:42.03 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Heh. I'd try loading the modules myself, but TBH that's just a guess. |
| 05:42.05 | karsten | mohohaha: I've been having random and really annoying Inet outages past couple of days. |
| 05:42.31 | mohohaha | what? |
| 05:42.40 | scarynetworkguy | I hope to have a laptop to try it on sometime in the next couple of months. |
| 05:43.25 | karsten | mohohaha: WRT linux.org |
| 05:43.41 | mohohaha | WRT? |
| 05:43.47 | karsten | !WRT |
| 05:43.47 | dpkg | wrt is, like, with respect to, or with regards to |
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| 05:44.17 | karsten | mohohaha: linux.org works here. |
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| 05:44.26 | mohohaha | linux.org is yours? |
| 05:44.34 | noname | i am getting mad |
| 05:44.37 | mohohaha | can't go their page with linux.org |
| 05:44.37 | DarkPainter | hello everyone =| |
| 05:44.41 | scarynetworkguy | :bofhsmite mohohaha |
| 05:44.42 | noname | how can i add a contrib thing automatically? |
| 05:44.49 | karsten | mohohaha: No, it's not mine. |
| 05:44.52 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite mohohaha |
| 05:44.52 | karsten | noname: Get even. |
| 05:44.58 | jm_ | you have been told already - use apt-setup |
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| 05:45.07 | scarynetworkguy | mohohaha: If you ping it what do you get? |
| 05:45.48 | dob1 | sarge has frozen, this is the last step to release it ? |
| 05:45.51 | joris_ | is there any groupware application that doesn't corrupt data, comes with at least some flexibility in terms of features and does not start to irritate after less than 3 weeks of use? |
| 05:45.59 | mohohaha | when i try to open linux.org with firefox, it doesn't work |
| 05:46.26 | scarynetworkguy | Bah life's too short. karsten Good luck with that card. I'm going to go read some more very good space opera. |
| 05:46.29 | gravity | dob1: Basically, yeah. The rest is tightening things up |
| 05:46.33 | liable | cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.7, then next line, error no such file or directory. Seen this asked before but dunno whats the answer, any ideas |
| 05:46.59 | dob1 | gravity: so about 1 month to release it ? |
| 05:47.01 | Overfiend | vorlon: could I beseech you to include comments when you use devscripts's bts command? |
| 05:47.04 | gravity | dob1: That's the plan |
| 05:47.10 | dob1 | ok |
| 05:47.13 | DB | lilo -R <kernel label> will set the kernel listed as <kernel label> as the booted kernel for the next reboot, right? |
| 05:47.16 | gravity | Overfiend: ECHAN? |
| 05:47.20 | Overfiend | eh? he's not in this channel? |
| 05:47.25 | gravity | Nope |
| 05:47.46 | jm_ | DB: what does the man page say? |
| 05:47.57 | tokiya | mohohaha: I can't access it from here either. maybe it's down (?) |
| 05:48.02 | karsten | Overfiend: Scratch something else! |
| 05:48.06 | DB | jm_: Nothing explicit; Hence my question. |
| 05:48.20 | jm_ | DB: wrong, This option sets the default command for the boot loader the next time it executes. |
| 05:48.22 | DarkPainter | help? gdm no longer works, it worked once upon a time... i had the display crap out when i was setting up another computer, and went to check the settings on my laptop (the one that worked) and when i rebooted, X doesnt start right... so ive got files on here that art important and im kinda out of luck @.@ |
| 05:48.24 | mohohaha | tokiya: maybe |
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| 05:48.33 | mohohaha | DarkPainter: hahaha |
| 05:48.42 | DarkPainter | oh thanks |
| 05:48.51 | DarkPainter | thats alot of help -_- |
| 05:49.09 | DB | jm_: OK then. I'm looking to test a new kernel in server in a datacenter...Without physical access. How might I best boot the new kernel with the least danger of it not coming back up? |
| 05:49.15 | DarkPainter | this is serious x.x |
| 05:49.24 | tokiya | DarkPainter, any errors? |
| 05:49.25 | Lafy | is there usually an l2tp or pptp client installed with debian? |
| 05:49.51 | DarkPainter | tokiya it asks me if i want to see some files to diagnose the issue but other than that no |
| 05:49.56 | jm_ | DB: using lilo -R |
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| 05:50.22 | DB | jm_: lilo -R <kernel label>? ...IE: lilo -R LinuxOLD ? |
| 05:50.25 | tokiya | DarkPainter, oh.. I haven't encountered that type of problem yet. sorry.. |
| 05:50.32 | DarkPainter | damn it :'( |
| 05:50.38 | DarkPainter | my files.... :'( |
| 05:51.18 | jm_ | DB: there's also fallback command for lilo.conf |
| 05:51.46 | tokiya | DarkPainter, since it's just gdm that's borked, you can still get your files |
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| 05:52.03 | DB | jm_: I assume that will fall back to kernel x if the default kernel fails to boot? |
| 05:52.10 | DarkPainter | yea but x isnt the thing that starts... i think so anyways |
| 05:52.35 | DarkPainter | *is |
| 05:52.50 | jm_ | DB: yes |
| 05:53.10 | tokiya | DarkPainter: ? |
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| 05:53.45 | DarkPainter | X doesnt start and errors out saying... let me see let me run it again and get you the error |
| 05:54.11 | gravity | DarkPainter: You should check the log in /var/log/XFree.log |
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| 05:54.15 | tokiya | DarkPainter: that would be nice. :) |
| 05:54.22 | DarkPainter | "fatal server error: failed to intialize core devices" |
| 05:54.32 | DarkPainter | there are three EE lines... want them x.x |
| 05:54.42 | DB | jm_: Thanks for the help...Turns out, it was unnecessary. The box in question booted the new kernel properly. I was in the wrong screen window when using uname -a. This is why people shouldn't do large reconfigurations while drowsey. :) |
| 05:54.46 | gravity | DarkPainter: Do it in a pastebin please |
| 05:55.23 | DarkPainter | cant paste |
| 05:55.26 | DarkPainter | its a seperate machine |
| 05:55.30 | DarkPainter | ill do it slowly lol |
| 05:55.49 | DarkPainter | line 1: "xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such file or directory" |
| 05:55.50 | jm_ | DB: alternatively, arrange it so you have access to its console from a remote location (using serial console for example, proper servers have management consoles for this purpose) |
| 05:56.03 | gravity | DarkPainter: Ok, you can stop there |
| 05:56.11 | DarkPainter | ? |
| 05:56.17 | gravity | DarkPainter: How did your /dev stuff change? Is that file not there? |
| 05:56.30 | gravity | DarkPainter: Did you install something like udev since you last rebooted and had a working X? |
| 05:56.32 | DarkPainter | im not sure... /dev/input/mice is what i had it set to before |
| 05:56.41 | DarkPainter | um.... not that im aware of |
| 05:56.48 | gravity | Check to see if that file exists |
| 05:56.50 | DarkPainter | its been on for weeks ive installed stuff left and right |
| 05:57.37 | DarkPainter | ... /dev/input/mice no such file or directory. however: /dev/input/ is a directory... |
| 05:57.51 | DarkPainter | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.52 | gravity | You need to set X to your mouse dev |
| 05:58.09 | DarkPainter | hmm... |
| 05:58.17 | gravity | First find it, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and reset that line to the corrent answer |
| 05:58.26 | DarkPainter | which would be... |
| 05:58.36 | gravity | I have no idea. That's for you to find out :-) |
| 05:58.44 | gravity | Poke around your /dev directory |
| 05:58.45 | DarkPainter | great |
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| 05:58.55 | r0zty | hola |
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| 05:59.07 | tokiya | DarkPainter: if it's a ps/2 mouse, you could probably use /dev/psaux |
| 05:59.08 | gravity | DarkPainter: How about /dev/input/mouse0? |
| 05:59.27 | tokiya | DarkPainter: if that device exists, of course :) |
| 05:59.43 | sonia | hi |
| 05:59.44 | DarkPainter | i have psaux, ttyS0, ttyS1, ttyS2, ttyS3, input/mice. atibm, sunmouse, and gpmdata from the little debian config screen it gives me |
| 05:59.47 | drac | !2,6 mouse |
| 05:59.55 | sonia | alguieen habla espaol? |
| 06:00.02 | DarkPainter | (all the formetioned include /dev/ before their name) |
| 06:00.05 | drac | !2.6 mouse |
| 06:00.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 06:00.10 | peterS | DarkPainter: well, /dev/input/mice is correct. are you running udev now, and did you load the 'mousedev' module? |
| 06:00.14 | drac | bleh, wrong factoid. |
| 06:00.32 | gravity | Ah, the mousedev module. I always forget about that. |
| 06:00.34 | sonia | hay algun canal de debian en espaol? |
| 06:00.40 | gravity | !spanish |
| 06:00.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:00.48 | sonia | yes gravity |
| 06:00.57 | sonia | channel in spanish |
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| 06:01.05 | drac | should be /dev/input/mouse anyway, forget the correct factoid :) (both, ps2 and usb) |
| 06:01.10 | gravity | sonia: Mira lo que dpkg dice |
| 06:01.12 | drac | mice |
| 06:01.15 | gravity | God my spanish sucks :-) |
| 06:01.27 | peterS | yeah, gravity, I don't think "dpkg" is a spanish word |
| 06:01.36 | DarkPainter | its a laptop drac |
| 06:01.38 | peterS | not enough vowels |
| 06:01.39 | sonia | tanks guys |
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| 06:03.34 | liable | anyone having probs with kernel-package 8.132. They have fixed bugs, but i'm still getting the same errors |
| 06:03.42 | DarkPainter | hey petey what do i do now lol |
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| 06:04.57 | peterS | DarkPainter: try 'modprobe mousedev'. also, my name is peter |
| 06:05.34 | DarkPainter | i know i was just bein funny, and it returns the line saying "mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" |
| 06:06.10 | drac | now try /dev/input/mice again. |
| 06:06.17 | peterS | DarkPainter: yeah. now did /dev/input/mice show up? |
| 06:06.27 | DarkPainter | -bash permission denied |
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| 06:06.48 | DarkPainter | gnome started when i entered X |
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| 06:10.26 | w00t | hey i just got debian |
| 06:10.26 | DarkPainter | you poor bastard... |
| 06:10.26 | w00t | ?? |
| 06:10.27 | w00t | anyway |
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| 06:10.28 | w00t | what is the name of the 3 messegers for like? |
| 06:10.28 | DarkPainter | o_O |
| 06:10.28 | DarkPainter | use gaim? |
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| 06:10.28 | w00t | no i use a diffret one |
| 06:10.29 | DarkPainter | use gaim its better trust me |
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| 06:10.29 | w00t | i need to update that one |
| 06:10.29 | DarkPainter | *shrugs* apt-get install gaim |
| 06:10.30 | w00t | ok |
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| 06:10.31 | w00t | i use one that stars with k |
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| 06:10.31 | tchino | i have a problem, my xmule chrashed down a lot, somebody has an idea, why? |
| 06:10.31 | w00t | i lost the name |
| 06:10.31 | challenged | kopete |
| 06:10.31 | DarkPainter | lol nice |
| 06:10.31 | w00t | yes is this one |
| 06:10.31 | w00t | tys |
| 06:15.13 | k-man | is it easy to downgrade back to exim3 if i have a problem with exim4? |
| 06:15.13 | DarkPainter | peterS: -bash: permission denied is returned when i enter /dev/input/mice |
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| 06:15.13 | stax | how do i change my xserver |
| 06:15.14 | drac | DarkPainter: It's not an command. |
| 06:15.14 | w00t | iam the only only here that install from floppy disk debian |
| 06:15.14 | stax | from svga |
| 06:15.14 | w00t | one |
| 06:15.14 | DarkPainter | drac i know... but thats what he wanted didnt i x.x |
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| 06:15.14 | k-man | stax, ctrl+alt+numpad plus might do the trick |
| 06:15.14 | peterS | DarkPainter: wtf? no, you tell your X server to use /dev/input/mice, with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:15.15 | challenged | k-man : whats your issue with exim? |
| 06:15.15 | DarkPainter | oh, thats already set that way. or do i have to do it again... |
| 06:15.15 | k-man | challenged, i have no issue, i just want to be sure i can go back easily if i have a problem with exim4 (assuming i keep my exim3 config files) |
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| 06:15.15 | k-man | challenged, maybe i'm just being over cautious, but i use exim for local delivery |
| 06:15.16 | k-man | and have about 10 users, i don't want to run into problems |
| 06:15.16 | raha12 | why isn't zlib1g-dev available in the 3.0 rev5 available? apt-cache searching doesn't show anything. =/ |
| 06:15.16 | DarkPainter | peterS: if that was the case i just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and selected /dev/input/mice from the list x.x |
| 06:15.16 | w00t | i dont have xchat how do i get |
| 06:15.16 | peterS | DarkPainter: right. now does it work? if not, you'll want to load the 'psmouse' kernel module as well |
| 06:15.16 | drac | w00t: apt-get install whatever, apt-cache search whatever, learn them. |
| 06:15.16 | challenged | k-man: sarge or woody? |
| 06:15.16 | DarkPainter | peterS: how would you like me to test it =s and see if it "works" |
| 06:15.16 | k-man | challenged, woody |
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| 06:15.17 | drac | raha12: Time for an upgrade to 3.1 (sarge), it's frozen and has security updates. |
| 06:15.17 | seren | hello |
| 06:15.17 | peterS | DarkPainter: dude. if you don't know how to test if your mouse works or not, why are you asking any of these questions? |
| 06:15.17 | k-man | hi seren |
| 06:15.17 | drac | raha12: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 06:15.28 | seren | how do i install rpm's? |
| 06:15.30 | DarkPainter | peterS: because... i want my desktop back :'( |
| 06:15.35 | seren | aka us "alien"? |
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| 06:15.58 | DarkPainter | peterS: and its a 4 million year old laptop, with an internal touch pad x.x |
| 06:16.03 | rue_mohr | wil anyone help me with my modem? |
| 06:16.11 | DarkPainter | not even god can save you rue... |
| 06:16.16 | raha12 | drac: i don't want to upgrade, the debian website shows it available in the stable devel section. what's w/that? |
| 06:16.18 | seren | lol |
| 06:16.18 | rue_mohr | cat /proc/pci dosn't list a io port |
| 06:16.19 | challenged | k-man: no exim4 in apt for woody...... |
| 06:16.19 | peterS | DarkPainter: are you using this with kernel 2.6, or kernel 2.4? I'm not sure you ever specified |
| 06:16.27 | rue_mohr | its a rockwell |
| 06:16.36 | DarkPainter | im pretty sure its 2.6... |
| 06:16.37 | challenged | k-man at this point i ask someone smarter than i |
| 06:16.43 | DarkPainter | 2.6.8 i believe |
| 06:16.50 | seren | dial up modem? |
| 06:16.55 | rue_mohr | yup |
| 06:17.00 | peterS | DarkPainter: right. so you loaded the 'mousedev' module. now load the 'psmouse' module. if your system continues not to work, it's probably not the mouse |
| 06:17.01 | seren | i know what u got to do |
| 06:17.03 | rue_mohr | 56K rockwell voicemodem |
| 06:17.08 | seren | get broadband |
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| 06:17.21 | w00t | wtf E: Invalid operation istall |
| 06:17.27 | bucky | rue_mohr, have you tried pppconfig ? |
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| 06:17.33 | drac | w00t: what's an istall? |
| 06:17.36 | challenged | woot: install has a N in it |
| 06:17.37 | rue_mohr | bucky: I dont want ppp |
| 06:17.38 | caphuso | w00t: spelling matters |
| 06:17.41 | seren | how do i install rpm packages? |
| 06:17.41 | DarkPainter | ok modprobe psmouse has been run x.x |
| 06:17.47 | rue_mohr | I want mgetty-voice :) |
| 06:17.51 | caphuso | seren: preferably not at all. what are you trying to install? |
| 06:18.03 | drac | DarkPainter: Hit 'startx' when you are ready to test your 'desktop' |
| 06:18.06 | w00t | im trying to install xchat damn it |
| 06:18.08 | challenged | seren rpm is part of debian but normally rpms are bad |
| 06:18.11 | DarkPainter | lol drac... |
| 06:18.24 | drac | I'm serious |
| 06:18.27 | bucky | w00t, apt-get install xchat dammit |
| 06:18.28 | seren | just for future reference |
| 06:18.34 | DarkPainter | what the fuck! |
| 06:18.36 | w00t | i did that dont work |
| 06:18.44 | DarkPainter | thats not my desktop O_O |
| 06:18.46 | seren | when try to run a rpm it says use alien or some shit |
| 06:18.47 | DarkPainter | its a rat!!! |
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| 06:19.00 | bucky | w00t, are you administrator? |
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| 06:19.10 | caphuso | seren: well, there's your answer, right in front of you |
| 06:19.10 | w00t | u mean root |
| 06:19.14 | w00t | # |
| 06:19.23 | seren | i asked how to use alien as well |
| 06:19.27 | seren | with no avail............. |
| 06:19.39 | caphuso | seren: the man page is pretty thorough |
| 06:19.42 | bucky | w00t, do you have a window manager? |
| 06:19.43 | challenged | seren: alien is a program that turns rpms into debs and stuff....normally the program you want will already be a deb file....what are you trying to install? |
| 06:19.51 | w00t | yes |
| 06:19.58 | bucky | hmm.. dunno |
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| 06:20.10 | seren | nothing atm just for future reference |
| 06:20.25 | w00t | i dont have the pice of crap windows i have linux |
| 06:20.32 | DarkPainter | drac would i run /etc/init.d/gdm restart to start gnome x.x? |
| 06:20.35 | k-man | challenged, actually i have sarge.. i forgot |
| 06:20.39 | challenged | seren: normally anything you want to install should be findable using apt-cachse search PROGRAMNAME |
| 06:21.03 | seren | then apt-get install program name? |
| 06:21.06 | w00t | aaahh man this is hard |
| 06:21.08 | challenged | k-man: then exim4 shouldnt be a problem.....it would come accross on upgrade |
| 06:21.24 | k-man | seren, there is a program called wajig that you might find useful |
| 06:21.37 | rue_mohr | its interesting, cat /proc/pci lists an interupt, no io, but proc/interrupts dosnt show it |
| 06:21.39 | k-man | challenged, ok, thanks |
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| 06:21.52 | w00t | im trying to get some thinking to get to irc chat room on debian |
| 06:22.00 | challenged | k-man: beware there is a light and a heavy version of exim 4.. |
| 06:22.10 | k-man | challenged, yeah, i saw that |
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| 06:22.24 | k-man | i think i just want light as its just for local delivery and possbly delivery to a smarthost |
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| 06:23.18 | dserban | if I have a nat gateway that serves dns requests to the internal network via a cable modem (uses dhcp for the external interface) how would I get the actual gateway to resolve its dns requests through its own dns server? ie. when the lease is renewed the resolv.conf file is overwritten with what the dhcp server from my provider responds with.. can I override that somehow so that it looks at 127.0.0.1 first? |
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| 06:23.28 | DarkPainter | !dpkg gdm |
| 06:23.28 | dpkg | i heard gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 06:23.58 | rue_mohr | bucky: have any ideas for pinning down my modem? |
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| 06:24.18 | bucky | rue_mohr, is it pci? |
| 06:24.27 | bucky | or isa |
| 06:24.27 | rue_mohr | yuppers |
| 06:24.28 | jm_ | dserban: yes, you need to read dhcp client docs (you can tell it to ignore certain config options from the server, set the defaults and so on) |
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| 06:24.46 | rue_mohr | bucky: pci rockwell, should be a generic serial of some sort |
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| 06:25.05 | rue_mohr | bucky: pnpdump dosn't list anything |
| 06:25.06 | challenged | rue_mohr: rockwell make soft and hard PCI modems |
| 06:25.06 | bucky | rue_mohr, if it is a hardware modem.. there's some trick to telling it what it's io and address is |
| 06:25.14 | rue_mohr | HCF? |
| 06:25.24 | john | is there a way to clear csh/bash commands history? |
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| 06:25.28 | challenged | hcf = hardware |
| 06:25.28 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 06:25.31 | dserban | jm_, I'm confused as to which I need to look at. dhcpclient or dhclient_script |
| 06:25.32 | peterS | DarkPainter: now that you've got your machine working, you want to add the lines "mousedev" and "psmouse" to your /etc/modules file. then they will load automatically next time you boot |
| 06:25.40 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 06:25.43 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 06:26.21 | bucky | when you load the driver for it in /etc/modutils you specify with option io XXX address XXX |
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| 06:26.39 | bucky | i think |
| 06:26.43 | jm_ | dserban: find out what's installed and read the docs for that (also "man interfaces" to read about the order of precedence for all supported DHCP clients) |
| 06:26.53 | qwertz | Hi! I'd like to setup an backup dhcp server the question is what happens if the main server fails - the most of my clients will have an IP of the main dhcp, after release time they'll ask the backup for an IP but the backup hasn't got a list of the already assigned IPs, so backup will probably assigned an already used IP - did I miss something or is there any solution to this problem? |
| 06:27.05 | sciboy | So.... Something in XFCE4 has decided to die and unfortunately it doesn't display any errors in XFree86.0.log for me to follow, how could i find out which application is having problems? |
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| 06:27.26 | jm_ | sciboy: of course it doesn't, check ~/.xsession-errors instead |
| 06:27.30 | rue_mohr | bucky: err, driver? |
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| 06:28.40 | Moonscope | ok ok ok |
| 06:28.44 | DarkPainter | anyone know how to change my default display manager...? ive got it on xdm instead of gdm i think.. |
| 06:28.50 | challenged | rue_mohr: hcfconfig runs ? |
| 06:29.02 | rue_mohr | hcfconfig!? |
| 06:29.05 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 06:29.13 | Moonscope | so im trying to update the lilo through a live cd for a kernel panic that i have ,but when i run the lilo it says "Fatal: open /dev/hda: Permission Denied" |
| 06:29.15 | challenged | darkpainter: apt-get install gdm & apt-get remove xdm |
| 06:29.49 | Moonscope | any ideas anyone? |
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| 06:29.58 | followmearound | what does this mean "EXT3-fs: hdd1: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (2000200)." -- the drive was being kindof wonky, so maybe it ate its parition table |
| 06:30.00 | challenged | rue_moer: not a debian doc but informative |
| 06:30.07 | sciboy | jm_: I don't direct X to XFCE with a xsession file so that doesn't exist for me, one sec while i create one. |
| 06:30.07 | challenged | rue_moer: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Conexant+Rockwell-modem-HOWTO/quick-start.html#QUICK-START-HCF |
| 06:30.30 | DarkPainter | dam it it keeps starting XFCE!!!11 |
| 06:30.38 | DarkPainter | i want my old desktop back -_-; |
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| 06:31.05 | b33r | If I am setting up an IPsec vpn gateway, with the 2.6 kernel, will i need racoon or are all the tools now built in? |
| 06:31.06 | challenged | darkpainter: in gdm theres a sessions list....choose gnome or wahtever and it asks if this is a new default for oyu |
| 06:31.06 | followmearound | when I try to run fsck.ext3, it says The filesystem revision is apparently too high for this version of e2fsck. |
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| 06:31.12 | rue_mohr | is there a debian pakage for that? |
| 06:31.17 | sciboy | jm_: I'll be back a little later, thanks =) |
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| 06:32.24 | seren | k-man wut am i supposed to do w/wajig? |
| 06:32.33 | liable | anyone built a kernel with kernel-package lately and have luck? (or error) |
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| 06:33.22 | k-man | wajig is a nice front end for all the apt commands imho |
| 06:33.27 | k-man | man wajig |
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| 06:34.07 | furrywolf | http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X18632&key=1 <== heh. :) |
| 06:34.08 | DarkPainter | challenged thanks!! |
| 06:34.19 | DarkPainter | yay my cagalli wallpaper ^/^ |
| 06:34.30 | challenged | rue_mohr: nothing i can see in apt-cache |
| 06:34.41 | rue_mohr | challenged: hmm I cant find anything either |
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| 06:35.21 | axelx123 | is it possible to mount fat32 in debian 3.1?? |
| 06:35.35 | DarkPainter | why the hell would anyone wanna use fat32... |
| 06:35.39 | caphuso | furrywolf: hah |
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| 06:36.25 | furrywolf | caphuso: not too hard to figure out why, exactly, the pilot's attention was diverted. :) |
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| 06:36.30 | bucky | axelx123, sure you can |
| 06:36.34 | challenged | hsflinmodem..........anyone ever had experiences? |
| 06:36.51 | axelx123 | bucky but it says fat32 is not supported by Kernel! |
| 06:36.59 | followmearound | cat /proc/filesystems |
| 06:37.01 | drac | axelx123: vfat |
| 06:37.21 | bucky | axelx123, is it the install kernel? |
| 06:37.25 | bucky | or a custon kernel |
| 06:37.34 | axelx123 | drac shall i use vfat instead fat32? |
| 06:37.41 | axelx123 | bucky install |
| 06:37.45 | followmearound | there's no such thing as fat32 to the linux kernel, it's called vfat |
| 06:37.51 | dserban | jm_, thanks |
| 06:38.03 | bucky | axelx123, apt-get a better kernel |
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| 06:39.01 | axelx123 | ok. thanx i'll try vfat |
| 06:39.07 | DarkPainter | 32 is for windows |
| 06:39.14 | DarkPainter | like win32 applications and stuff |
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| 06:39.28 | rue_mohr | ?? I'm getting indications this is a software modem...???? |
| 06:39.56 | bucky | imagine that |
| 06:40.01 | challenged | rue_mohr: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ |
| 06:40.02 | peterS | rue_mohr: *almost* any modem connected to a PCI bus is a software modem, yes |
| 06:40.10 | rue_mohr | is it?? I thought rockwell = hardaaare? |
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| 06:40.20 | challenged | rue_mohr: HCF = controllerless = hardware..... |
| 06:40.38 | challenged | rockwell = old name of the company connexant |
| 06:40.38 | peterS | rue_mohr: HCF is less braindamaged than HSP. but they're still considered software modems |
| 06:40.40 | rue_mohr | :( its its a software modem, there NOT going to support voice system |
| 06:42.12 | rue_mohr | ??? |
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| 06:42.12 | rue_mohr | :( I have like 12 voicemodems, cant atleast ONE work with mgetty-voice???? |
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| 06:42.12 | challenged | rue_mohr: its not a full hardware modem because of uarts and stuff but they do work in linux...according to site |
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| 06:42.25 | challenged | rue_mohr, : heres the drivers area but theres no deb builds atm it seems....http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ im heading out for home atm |
| 06:42.33 | rue_mohr | http://www.linuxant.com/drivers |
| 06:42.40 | rue_mohr | heh:) |
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| 06:42.59 | rue_mohr | I'm glad to see I'm not too far behind |
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| 06:43.19 | peterS | "Murders in the Rue_Mohr"? |
| 06:43.30 | rue_mohr | ??? |
| 06:43.59 | peterS | rue_mohr: well-known story by Edgar Allen Poe, "Murders in the Rue Morgue" |
| 06:44.09 | rue_mohr | no |
| 06:44.11 | challenged | rue_mohr, actually look specifically at this part http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hcf/install.php#METHOD%20B Debian install method |
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| 06:44.22 | Aniar | hi, anyone up this late? |
| 06:44.23 | bucky | peterS did you enroll in a literature class while in school? |
| 06:44.55 | Aniar | guess so. :) |
| 06:44.57 | peterS | bucky: I've had several literature classes in my life. I didn't read "The Murders in the Rue Morgue" in any of those though |
| 06:45.02 | Manoj` | late? this is early in the day in europe |
| 06:46.59 | Aniar | Manoj`: good point. :) |
| 06:46.59 | bucky | ah... a nice liberal education |
| 06:46.59 | Manoj` | would be a cool lit class that had Poe |
| 06:46.59 | positrix | #how do i change my default window manager? (or, how to use startx instead of "xinit& randomwindowmanager") |
| 06:46.59 | Manoj` | Once upon a midnight dreary .... |
| 06:46.59 | peterS | heh |
| 06:46.59 | nevyn | positrix: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 06:46.59 | Manoj` | positrix: .xsession is sourced by xdm (if you use xdm) |
| 06:46.59 | jm_ | positrix: it also depends on how you start X server |
| 06:46.59 | challenged | well thats good there are links to debian packages that have never existed hmmmmmmm |
| 06:46.59 | Aniar | I'm just wondering how I can troubleshoot boot problems. my wireless card is killing debian 2.6.8-2-386 on boot (at about the time that exim and inetd start). if I remove the wireless drivers from /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/drivers/net/wireless then it boots fine (but I obviously have no wireless support |
| 06:46.59 | jm_ | and x-session-manager is checked before x-window-manager and so on |
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| 06:47.12 | Manoj` | positrix: I, for instance, use xdm, and my ~/.xsession starts fvwm and ends up execing an xterm |
| 06:47.13 | Aniar | it's a custom compiled kernel, BUT, I had this .config file working before |
| 06:47.31 | jm_ | Aniar: define killing |
| 06:47.32 | challenged | rue_mohr, : ahh IC IC If you need to rebuild the Debian package from source, you can get the TAR package, and from the top directory run: "make debdist" |
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| 06:47.57 | Aniar | jm_: complete processor lockup - keypresses don't even register |
| 06:48.15 | challenged | rue_mohr, : you see where im getting this from? |
| 06:48.20 | jm_ | Aniar: does it print anything on screen, like register dump? |
| 06:48.23 | Aniar | it's a centrino laptop. I had it working before, but had other stuff screwed up, so I reinstalled (I'm new) |
| 06:48.25 | worker | I assume that *.postrm scripts are designed to purge a package. When a package calls "db_purge" and it fails, what does that mean? |
| 06:48.26 | Aniar | no, it just stops |
| 06:48.34 | sciboy | jm_: Thanks, located the problem, ~/.ICEauthority was under the ownership of root =D |
| 06:48.37 | jm_ | Aniar: tried using a newer kernel? |
| 06:48.50 | Aniar | I have linux sysrescue CD, so I can boot to a different system to read logs, I just don't know which ones to look for |
| 06:48.51 | jm_ | sciboy: I've heard about that before |
| 06:48.59 | peterS | worker: that's dealing with the debconf database. purging the questions and answers relating to the package in question |
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| 06:49.09 | challenged | who creates factiods? |
| 06:49.09 | Manoj` | worker: postrm scripts are called after the package has been removed |
| 06:49.12 | Aniar | jm_: if it's not in dpkg, I'm not smart enough to use it |
| 06:49.23 | Manoj` | db_purge is supposed to purge the debconf database |
| 06:49.28 | sciboy | jm_: I think it was caused by me running K3B under root. |
| 06:49.38 | jm_ | Aniar: ahh it is, but it's not in Sarge, just in sid - you could download it using packages.debian.org and install it using dpkg |
| 06:49.40 | Aniar | jm_: and I had it working on this kernel before |
| 06:49.42 | sciboy | jm_: Just before having it bring the system to a halt. |
| 06:49.45 | worker | peterS: Yes .. its an obsolete package, roxen .. I am trying to get rid of it .. but dpkg --purge roxen generates error. |
| 06:50.00 | jm_ | sciboy: ahh, don't do things as root anyway |
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| 06:50.25 | worker | Manoj`: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 128 |
| 06:50.27 | rue_mohr | challenged: I'm just getting the tar.gz, I'll make/install myself... |
| 06:50.28 | sciboy | jm_: would you happen to know a good cd burning application besides k3b? |
| 06:50.47 | sciboy | jm_: K3b has trouble finding my cdrom drive unless its run under root. |
| 06:51.05 | challenged | rue_mohr, get the TAR package, and from the top directory run: "make debdist" then just dpkg -i the new deb |
| 06:51.06 | worker | sciboy: You could check out xcdroast ... i always liked that one .. takes a little getting used to, then its easy. |
| 06:51.20 | rue_mohr | I'm concerned there will be no voice support though |
| 06:51.20 | rue_mohr | there usually isn't |
| 06:51.32 | challenged | rue_mohr, you prolly need build essentials & headers/sources |
| 06:51.44 | jm_ | sciboy: I use cdrecord and growisofs as root to avoid issues |
| 06:51.46 | rue_mohr | I think the last one I put a bunch of time into was a lucent modem |
| 06:52.08 | sciboy | worker: Thanks i'll take a look into it =) I find K3b really nicely featured and what not but way too slow and bloated for my liking. |
| 06:52.12 | rue_mohr | challenged: or how about ./configure; make; make install |
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| 06:52.24 | rue_mohr | challenged: have it all already |
| 06:52.28 | Manoj` | worker: well, you can always edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/BLAH.postinst to comment out that db_purge call |
| 06:52.34 | Aniar | I just can't find anything in my google traversals that helps me hunt down WHY the wireless is doing this - IE: what i have configured wrong |
| 06:52.39 | rue_mohr | I always do custom kernels |
| 06:52.51 | worker | Manoj`: Should it take any arguments? It has none! |
| 06:52.56 | rue_mohr | challenged: thanks, gnight |
| 06:52.57 | challenged | rue_mohr,: i use apt for everything i can heheh |
| 06:53.04 | worker | Manoj`: (I could not find a manpage for it) |
| 06:53.05 | challenged | rue_mohr, np GL |
| 06:53.19 | Manoj` | worker: no, it is supposed to just work (since the package name is known) |
| 06:53.42 | Manoj` | worker: man 7 debconf_devel or something like that |
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| 06:53.50 | worker | Manoj`: So .. the reason it makes error - is because the info already deleted? |
| 06:54.41 | Manoj` | worker: the reason is unclear; but the debconf DB is not that critical (so what if there is an extra question lying around), |
| 06:54.56 | Manoj` | worker: and you cna get rid of the package, at least |
| 06:55.07 | tarzeau | has anyone tries this yet: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 06:55.24 | worker | Manoj`: Thanks for you help, outcommenting the line let me purge the package. |
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| 06:56.35 | sciboy | tarzeau: Tried it, would be nice if there were more people to play against. |
| 06:56.43 | tarzeau | sciboy: me! |
| 06:56.49 | tarzeau | sciboy: would be nice if someone packaged it! |
| 06:56.53 | tarzeau | sciboy: (i will :) |
| 06:57.01 | sciboy | tarzeau: =) |
| 06:57.13 | tarzeau | sciboy: how do you start it? it's strange with all that python and lyns stuff |
| 06:57.17 | sciboy | worker: Wow, its taking a suspiciously long time searching for my cdrom. |
| 06:57.26 | sciboy | tarzeau: I haven't used it in a while. |
| 06:57.27 | tarzeau | sciboy: found it yesterday, played 3 hours from 00:00 to 03:00 am :) heh |
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| 06:57.45 | sciboy | tarzeau: I recall running it, it launching my browser. |
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| 06:58.02 | sciboy | tarzeau: and then i clicked on stuff in the webpage and it opened up. |
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| 06:58.18 | tarzeau | sciboy: does the licensing conform debian fsg? |
| 06:58.33 | tarzeau | sciboy: yeah but if we want it in the menu there must be another way |
| 06:58.41 | tarzeau | sciboy: it needs a server |
| 06:58.47 | xophEr | Hmm, topic only says that kde 3.4 isnt packaged yet, does that mean gnome 2.10 is? |
| 06:58.52 | tarzeau | sciboy: the sound is really cute |
| 06:59.00 | tarzeau | xophEr: who cares, really? |
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| 06:59.14 | xophEr | well I do, obviously? |
| 06:59.42 | peterS | xophEr: it's in experimental |
| 07:00.00 | xophEr | ok, thanks |
| 07:00.16 | peterS | xophEr: a few days ago the topic did say gnome 2.10 as well, but I asked the ops to remove that since it *is* packaged now (in experimental) |
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| 07:00.35 | xophEr | cool |
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| 07:01.52 | sciboy | tarzeau: I'm really the wrong person to be asking =P |
| 07:02.22 | sciboy | tarzeau: But as far as i was concerned i had no problems with it other than the lack of players and a public server. |
| 07:02.26 | Aniar | so anyone else have any ideas on how to troubleshoot wireless causing my laptop to hang at boot on 2.6.8 ? |
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| 07:04.10 | liable | ok, cp seems to be failing me, even doesnt work for make-kpkg. Anyone have coreutils-5.2.1-2 and had probs with copy? Doesnt seem to be any bugs for it. |
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| 07:05.45 | Aniar | I have coreutils 5.2.1-2, no problems with any copies, to/from ext3,usb (vfat), and NTFS (copy from) |
| 07:05.54 | McKillroy | If I have a server in a chroot jail which uses a unix socket for connection and I want a user in another jail let connect to it: Is there a way to make the chrooted unix socket usable for the chrooted user ? Like some kind of wrapper used from the top level ? |
| 07:06.21 | liable | hmmm |
| 07:06.41 | karsten | McKillroy: bind mount. |
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| 07:06.53 | karsten | McKillroy: man mount, / --bind |
| 07:07.03 | McKillroy | K ! I will try |
| 07:07.05 | McKillroy | thanks |
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| 07:09.27 | YaleR | after reading that jargon, I still don't understand bind |
| 07:09.27 | YaleR | maybe I'm just tired |
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| 07:09.41 | lehel | hello |
| 07:10.00 | lehel | i have to make a documentation about Installing Debian.. |
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| 07:10.10 | liable | hmmm coreutils seems to be not fully installed for some reason |
| 07:10.14 | lehel | i know in the internet is full... |
| 07:10.20 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 07:10.52 | d3s | where to ask for Debian Conference? .. been on #debconf4 and #debconf... anyone here as debconf team? |
| 07:10.57 | YaleR | liable: how did you get into THAT position |
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| 07:11.16 | peterS | d3s: debconf4 was last year. next year is debconf5 |
| 07:11.35 | peterS | d3s: anyway, I think #debconf lives on irc.oftc.net, but I'm not sure |
| 07:11.38 | d3s | no one in #debconf5 |
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| 07:13.23 | liable | YaleR: I have absolutely no idea. I tried copying something the other day. Didnt work, and ended up moving it. Now tried to compile a kernel and make-kpkg failed to copy over the image. Now apt-get reinstall is pulling in the package for installation |
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| 07:13.39 | d3s | peterS: been there... no one |
| 07:14.03 | peterS | d3s: don't know where, then. what's your question? |
| 07:14.22 | kinneh | any svn-users here, I have several times had to do a svnadmin recover on my repository, running sarge |
| 07:14.36 | YaleR | liable: that is so weird |
| 07:15.46 | d3s | We've been doing our own local Debconf #1.. now we're up to local Debconf #2 and want to know how to comply with DebConf rules. |
| 07:15.53 | liable | YaleR: yes indeed. Got me wondering, seeing as its pulling the same version in. must have been a bad package or something *shrug* |
| 07:16.21 | peterS | kinneh: that's probably caused by svn's use of berkeley db. you can create new repositories using the fsfs backend instead, as of subversion 1.1.0. fsfs causes a lot fewer problems of that nature - like, none |
| 07:16.27 | YaleR | liable: hope that works for you, sounds strange |
| 07:16.54 | liable | YaleR: me to, waiting (dial-up) |
| 07:17.10 | YaleR | how big is core-utils? |
| 07:17.36 | worker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:18.10 | liable | hehe, seems to have worked :) |
| 07:18.30 | irp | how i know, if grub has been compiled without the --disable-serial option? |
| 07:18.38 | WorkerII | I wonder about security .. if a package is disbanded because its not possible to secure it ... will it autoremove next time I update, or will I receive a security mail? |
| 07:18.45 | liable | back to the compile too see for sure. |
| 07:19.14 | kinneh | peterS: ok thx |
| 07:19.22 | irp | liable: is for me? |
| 07:20.02 | liable | irp: no talking to myself :) |
| 07:20.19 | irp | liable: i installed grub from debs... |
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| 07:20.50 | liable | irp: sorry, wasnt talking to you. |
| 07:20.55 | peterS | kinneh: I'm a little concerned, btw, about svn fsfs scalability. each commit adds a directory entry to a single location, so if you have 100000 commits you have a directory with 100000 entries, which is pretty ugly. however, with modern filesystems this isn't the critical issue it has been in the past |
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| 07:21.15 | leonardo_ | hi |
| 07:21.26 | aristocrat | Hey where can i find the patches for latest postgresql Security Fixes? |
| 07:21.31 | leonardo_ | alguien puede ayudarme soy nuevo en Linux |
| 07:21.33 | bob2 | 100 000 commits is a lot, tho |
| 07:21.42 | bob2 | I don't think anything aside from the kernel is even close to that |
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| 07:21.56 | bob2 | even "big" projects are only in the low thousands, usually |
| 07:22.14 | leonardo_ | HOLAAA |
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| 07:22.23 | leonardo_ | hola christi |
| 07:22.24 | liable | I use kde as my desktop (no flames please :) ) and it could copy files, but I couldnt from the command line. Makes me wonder how it does it. |
| 07:22.25 | bob2 | leonardo_: go away |
| 07:22.30 | christi | is there a gui DC client for debian? |
| 07:22.31 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 07:22.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:22.39 | christi | leonardo_: hola |
| 07:23.21 | leonardo_ | hola christi sabes algo de linux |
| 07:23.21 | bob2 | leonardo_: #debian-es |
| 07:23.21 | bob2 | how do I say "go away" in spanish? |
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| 07:23.24 | transgress | liable: you can't copy files from the command line? you have other things to worry about |
| 07:23.30 | streuner | bob2: Hau ab! |
| 07:23.34 | irp | what is the maxlengh for a cross-null modem cable? thanx in advance |
| 07:23.44 | leonardo_ | #debian-es |
| 07:23.49 | streuner | bob2: that's in german :-) |
| 07:23.52 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:23.58 | liable | transgress: fixed it, coreutils wasnt installed properly, but kde could still copy files over. |
| 07:24.03 | bob2 | leonardo_: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 07:24.07 | bob2 | !+br |
| 07:24.07 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 07:24.15 | christi | irp: i've used a 30m long one once |
| 07:24.17 | bob2 | leonardo_: Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 07:24.18 | caphuso | bob2: "salga", if you're willing to believe babelfish |
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| 07:24.32 | christi | leonardo_: i'm not spanish and i don't know spanish |
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| 07:24.54 | revenger | does anyone know how to format a 30 gb partition with fat32? mkfs.vfat/mkdosfs shrinks the partition to 1 GB |
| 07:24.59 | leonardo_ | ./#debian-es |
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| 07:25.09 | irp | leonardo, que haces? |
| 07:25.21 | peterS | revenger: start with mkdosfs -F32 so it doesn't think you want FAT16 |
| 07:25.28 | leonardo_ | quiero ir a la sala debian-es |
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| 07:25.30 | revenger | peterS: did that |
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| 07:25.50 | irp | leonardo /join #debian-es |
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| 07:26.26 | irp | christi: wow, and do you know the maxlengh? |
| 07:26.38 | nagual | bob2: /j doesnt work with xchat :) |
| 07:26.48 | bob2 | bah |
| 07:26.51 | incorrect | nagual, it works for me |
| 07:27.03 | xophEr | nagual, for me too |
| 07:27.07 | bob2 | I don't seem t have the song Ventolin anywhere |
| 07:27.11 | nagual | i tried 2 versions (windows:) where i needed the full /join |
| 07:27.35 | nevyn | hrm |
| 07:27.50 | xophEr | hmm, dont know about that, havent tried windows. but you'd think it'd be the same? |
| 07:27.53 | nevyn | isn't everyone over xchat.. it's all about irssi |
| 07:28.00 | christi | irp: that one worked fine at 115200kbps |
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| 07:28.01 | nagual | jup |
| 07:28.07 | POVaddct | nevyn: right |
| 07:28.11 | nagual | and i trust myself more than you (for some odd reasons) |
| 07:28.13 | nagual | :) |
| 07:28.15 | christi | so ... how can i install a DC gui client? |
| 07:28.18 | bob2 | irssi on windows would be interesting, tho |
| 07:28.32 | bob2 | christi: did you look before asking? |
| 07:28.36 | irp | christi: kbps!!! |
| 07:28.42 | nagual | irssi on cygwin. |
| 07:28.49 | bob2 | christi: e.g. dcgui-qt. |
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| 07:29.28 | Aniar | ssh into a linux box elsewhere |
| 07:29.41 | christi | bob2: i've did a little search; and how the f... do i install it? |
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| 07:29.53 | bob2 | christi: how do you normally install packages? |
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| 07:30.00 | irp | christi: 14.06 MB per second is a very good rate... |
| 07:30.02 | christi | christi: i'm new to debian |
| 07:30.04 | bob2 | heh, I always end up using putty to irc on windows anyway |
| 07:30.13 | bob2 | christi: apt-get install dcgui-qt, as root |
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| 07:30.17 | nagual | me too :) |
| 07:30.23 | seren | what apps can i use to listen to shoutcast streams? |
| 07:30.33 | seren | .pls streams audio only |
| 07:30.40 | Aniar | bob2: I do that, cause I block IRC outbound from all my windows boxes |
| 07:30.40 | bob2 | xmms, mplayer, etc |
| 07:30.47 | bob2 | Aniar: haha |
| 07:30.50 | bob2 | very wise |
| 07:30.53 | tezem | I get "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" on a ./configure who knows the problem? |
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| 07:31.13 | bob2 | tezem: install build-essential |
| 07:31.45 | Aniar | bob2: I had a co-worker at a previous job "accidentally" open up ALL ports on a firewall to a windows 2000 server. it got more than a little broken open... |
| 07:31.57 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:31.58 | bob2 | I bet |
| 07:32.06 | tarzeau | Aniar: some people don't use a firewall at all |
| 07:32.14 | bob2 | you do if you use windows |
| 07:32.19 | tarzeau | bob2: we don't |
| 07:32.22 | bob2 | or so I'm told |
| 07:32.30 | tarzeau | bob2: well we have windows, but no firewalls |
| 07:32.34 | bob2 | wow |
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| 07:32.39 | bob2 | you must have good admins |
| 07:32.41 | Aniar | bob2: but the guy who cracked it couldn't get it to connect back to his IRC server for controll, so I have logs of 10 hours of some kid in Italy trying to figure out how to hack a win2k server without IRC outbound acess |
| 07:32.44 | tarzeau | bob2: we do :) |
| 07:32.48 | bob2 | default windows nt has all sorts of stuff listening |
| 07:32.54 | dob1 | when sarge will be released and i will upgrade from woody, it will request to reconfigure all the program? for example apache etc ? |
| 07:32.55 | bob2 | Aniar: hahaha |
| 07:32.56 | nagual | windows xp with sp2 has firewall on by default |
| 07:32.59 | tarzeau | bob2: heh we don't have nt long long ago |
| 07:33.09 | bob2 | dob1: not unless they have configuration things |
| 07:33.12 | bob2 | dob1: generally, no |
| 07:33.13 | tarzeau | dob1: no |
| 07:33.25 | bob2 | nagual: does it still have things like RPC and SMB listening by default? |
| 07:33.25 | Aniar | tarzeau: that's easy to figure hard. the problem is this was a development box, so I had no control over it |
| 07:33.36 | Aniar | err... *con*figure |
| 07:33.37 | nagual | bob2: of course. |
| 07:33.44 | tarzeau | Aniar: i can imagine |
| 07:33.44 | dob1 | ok, and i have some packages from backports they will be substituted automatically ? |
| 07:33.56 | bob2 | dob1: hopefully |
| 07:34.03 | pfortuny | hi, /sbin/init: cannot open /dev/console ... kernel panic... :Attempted to kill init! |
| 07:34.09 | bob2 | the Debian backports people are pretty clueful, I'd hope they have that covered |
| 07:34.15 | pfortuny | I get that at boot.. any ideas? |
| 07:34.15 | nagual | bob im running a pretty much default install if you want to take a look :) |
| 07:34.26 | bob2 | pfortuny: when doing what? |
| 07:34.34 | pfortuny | bob2: at boot time |
| 07:34.35 | dob1 | bob2: it's better that i remove that packages before upgrading or i upgrade normally ? |
| 07:34.35 | bob2 | installing? after installing a new kernel? |
| 07:34.36 | bob2 | etc |
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| 07:34.42 | bob2 | dob1: I'd upgrade normally |
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| 07:34.58 | dob1 | ok thanks |
| 07:34.59 | bob2 | it's not like the...less clueful people doing ubuntu backports |
| 07:35.05 | bob2 | where they completely fuck upgrades |
| 07:35.12 | pfortuny | bob2: it is installed and works, but when booting I get that... |
| 07:35.21 | pfortuny | ... funnily, if I reboot it comes up OK. |
| 07:35.26 | bob2 | pfortuny: what have you changed since the last time it boot ok? |
| 07:35.29 | pfortuny | i.e. I need to boot twice |
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| 07:35.36 | bob2 | that is bizarre |
| 07:35.38 | pfortuny | bob2: nothing... |
| 07:35.44 | pfortuny | yep, most bizarre, |
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| 07:35.59 | pfortuny | but it is persisent |
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| 07:38.54 | transgress | why? |
| 07:39.02 | Aniar | cause I can't troubleshoot my boot problem |
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| 07:39.19 | transgress | eh? it locking on starting the network during boot? |
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| 07:39.43 | christi | bob2: it worked |
| 07:39.44 | tezem | bob2: thx didn't know that the normal packages doesn't support building in debian. |
| 07:39.47 | christi | thank you very much |
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| 07:39.55 | Aniar | intel ipw2200 (ipw2200.sf.net). when the 2.6.8 kernel (custom compile) tries to load exim4 OR (random, normally the first) inetd, the processor hangs. can't even ctrl-alt-del |
| 07:39.56 | bob2 | christi: you're welcome |
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| 07:40.06 | bob2 | Aniar: wow |
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| 07:40.19 | Aniar | if I delete the wireless drivers from /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/drivers/net/wireless |
| 07:40.22 | Aniar | then it boots |
| 07:40.44 | Aniar | and the .config that I used to compile the kernel was created on a previous install (2 weeks ago), where the wireless worked |
| 07:41.06 | Aniar | (added some sound support, fixed module problems only changes in the kernel) |
| 07:41.11 | Subvertir | Are you sure it's the same kernel version? |
| 07:41.15 | Aniar | yes |
| 07:41.44 | Subvertir | hmm, tried experimenting with APIC? |
| 07:41.45 | Aniar | unless apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386 changed in the last month |
| 07:41.58 | Aniar | apic is off, acpi is on (1/2 of the reason for custom kernel) |
| 07:42.03 | Aniar | (acpi is) |
| 07:42.13 | Subvertir | well, I don't really know then =( |
| 07:42.22 | Aniar | but, the kernel worked 2 weeks ago (but I had craploads of module problems, so I reloaded completely) |
| 07:42.32 | liable | Aniar: maybe try blacklisting the modules, then load manually, and see what happens. |
| 07:42.32 | shurik | I configured lpd through kde when I send test print it spools in .ps files only |
| 07:42.43 | shurik | shown by lpq |
| 07:42.50 | shurik | nothing comes out from the printer |
| 07:42.57 | Aniar | liable: can you point me to info on how to do that? |
| 07:43.13 | Aniar | or, I can just copy 'em back to the right location and modprobe to load manually |
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| 07:43.34 | Aniar | right? |
| 07:43.44 | bob2 | add the module name to /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 07:44.01 | Aniar | ok |
| 07:44.03 | liable | Aniar: /etc/hotplug/blacklist and discover.conf, have a look in them, and put them in there, theres examples |
| 07:44.14 | shurik | anyone is willing to help me to set up printer |
| 07:44.15 | Subvertir | I'm probably going against the grain here, but I don't really like using hotplug/discover/etc |
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| 07:44.42 | liable | Aniar: sometimes they still get loaded though (my madwifi ones do) :( |
| 07:44.45 | streuner | !tell shurik about ask |
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| 07:45.04 | bob2 | hotplug is awesome |
| 07:45.08 | bob2 | because it's so simple |
| 07:45.31 | shurik | !tell streuner to shut up |
| 07:45.45 | Subvertir | haha nice |
| 07:46.02 | Subvertir | !tell me about shut up |
| 07:46.04 | Aniar | liable: I at least know enough to boot to my linux sysrescue disk to fix serious problems... I just don't know how to FIX some of those problems. lol |
| 07:46.04 | pfortuny_ | shurik what's the prob? |
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| 07:46.16 | irp | how i know if grup has been compiled without --disable-serial option? and do you know the max permitted lengh for cross-null-modem cable? |
| 07:46.24 | Aniar | ok, so I'll add my drivers to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist, reboot, and see what happens |
| 07:46.30 | tarzeau | irp: you mean grub? |
| 07:46.32 | streuner | shurik: what's your problem? |
| 07:46.33 | liable | Aniar: try the blacklisting, and see if it lets it boot, then try something else |
| 07:46.35 | Aniar | if it fails, remove them from there, remove them from the /lib/modules/xxx stuff |
| 07:46.40 | tarzeau | irp: look at the source package, apt-get source grub |
| 07:46.40 | shurik | when I send test print the jobs are send in spool and nothing gets printed |
| 07:46.43 | Aniar | if it boots, then try modprobe? |
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| 07:46.44 | tarzeau | irp: in debian/rules |
| 07:46.45 | liable | Aniar: and dicover.conf |
| 07:46.50 | Aniar | liable: ok |
| 07:46.50 | shurik | using lpd |
| 07:46.57 | tarzeau | shurik: you mean lpr? |
| 07:46.59 | Subvertir | see? that's why I don't like using that stuff. I always forget how to use it, lol |
| 07:47.04 | Aniar | but once blacklisted, I try using modprobe to load manually, right? |
| 07:47.12 | graet | can i fax via broadband, using the computer? if yes, what is the debian package to use? |
| 07:47.19 | shurik | tarzeau: from kde print manager |
| 07:47.28 | shurik | lpq shows jobs are in spool |
| 07:47.44 | tarzeau | shurik: the printer has power? network? paper? |
| 07:47.46 | pfortuny_ | shurik have you tried from the command line? |
| 07:47.48 | liable | Aniar: yep, if it boots ok |
| 07:47.48 | shurik | maybe cups would a better choice |
| 07:47.48 | simonrvn | shurik: man lp, lpr, lpq, .... |
| 07:47.54 | irp | tarzeau: thanx. |
| 07:47.55 | Aniar | liable: ok, thanks! |
| 07:48.02 | tarzeau | irp: you're welcome |
| 07:48.10 | shurik | tarzeau: sure |
| 07:48.29 | streuner | shurik: what kernel, old hardware? |
| 07:48.31 | pfortuny_ | shurik what device is it connected to? |
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| 07:48.34 | tarzeau | shurik: it's turned on? |
| 07:48.41 | shurik | sure :) |
| 07:48.45 | tarzeau | is it a windows printer printer? |
| 07:48.50 | Xsquared | does anyone know a good irc bot with a pastebot like function and info bot within. I don't want to use eggdrop and i don't want to use perl. |
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| 07:49.14 | Aniar | Xsquared: winbot? |
| 07:49.30 | Aniar | later all - trying liable's suggestions. my results may not come for a few days |
| 07:49.39 | streuner | shurik: it doesn't help if you just say, sure _or_ doesn't work, we need more infos... |
| 07:49.41 | Aniar | depends on when I get time to test. :) |
| 07:49.48 | Aniar | but thanks a TON! |
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| 07:50.15 | Xsquared | Aniar: winbot? is that a windoze dubie? |
| 07:50.21 | graet | can i fax via broadband, using the computer? if yes, what is the debian package to use? |
| 07:50.41 | shurik | pfortuny_: it connected to lp0 |
| 07:51.02 | shurik | tarzeau: what do you mean windows printer? |
| 07:51.07 | Striker` | Hi. I have a problem with ddclient. I'm behind a gateway with Windows XP, I putted a machine into my LAN with ddclient that have to updates my IP on dyndns.org. If I configure ddclient using debconf and I put eth0 like interfaces it updates the IP of my LAN (192.168.0.254). How I can solve? The connection is served by Windows XP. |
| 07:51.13 | pfortuny_ | shurik open a terminal and do cat /etc/passwd > /dev/lp0 and see what happens |
| 07:51.18 | shurik | It's Canon and is connected via parallel port |
| 07:51.34 | pfortuny_ | is it laser or ink? |
| 07:51.48 | shurik | it prints out |
| 07:51.49 | streuner | Striker`: so XP is the gateway, right? |
| 07:51.54 | graet | answer? |
| 07:52.02 | pfortuny_ | surik: does it print the /etc/passwd file? |
| 07:52.07 | pfortuny_ | or just garbage? |
| 07:52.12 | tarzeau | shurik: there's some broken printers that have "Windows Printing System" |
| 07:52.14 | streuner | nothing |
| 07:52.19 | shurik | I ran cat /etc/hosts > /dev/lp0 |
| 07:52.23 | liable | graet: I dont think so, but mat be wrong |
| 07:52.27 | pfortuny_ | and it prints ok? |
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| 07:52.31 | Striker` | streuner, yes. |
| 07:52.44 | shurik | tar it printed out the file |
| 07:52.44 | graet | liable: links to find out more? |
| 07:52.53 | streuner | Striker`: run the debian box as gateway |
| 07:52.53 | shurik | and stopped mid way the page |
| 07:52.54 | Striker` | streuner, using eth0 iface it updates 192.168.0.254. |
| 07:52.59 | Striker` | streuner, too easy. ;) |
| 07:53.11 | pfortuny_ | shurik: you mean it did not eject the page? |
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| 07:53.17 | streuner | Striker`: that would rather be than OT |
| 07:53.20 | shurik | yes it didn't |
| 07:53.24 | liable | graet: dunno, every computer I have have faxed from was with the modem, not while connected to the net. |
| 07:53.26 | pfortuny_ | shurik: it's normal if it did print the whole file |
| 07:53.26 | shurik | printed the lines and stopped |
| 07:53.27 | Striker` | streuner, http://ddclient.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=doc |
| 07:53.42 | shurik | without ejecting the page |
| 07:53.42 | simonrvn | Striker`: put it this way, your network will be much better off not having that winxp box as gateway |
| 07:53.57 | streuner | Striker`: THAT a fucking WINDOWS question, (how can i set up windows XP as gateway) |
| 07:53.57 | pfortuny_ | shurik now try lp &etc&hosts |
| 07:54.06 | shurik | sorry ? |
| 07:54.12 | graet | Is there any Instant Messaging group for Debian? |
| 07:54.13 | pfortuny_ | lpr /etc/hosts |
| 07:54.25 | Striker` | simonrvn, I'm costricted. It's NOT my fault. |
| 07:54.37 | pfortuny | shurik: let's see if lp is up and running |
| 07:54.57 | simonrvn | Striker`: winmodem or something? find a real modem if you can |
| 07:55.00 | pfortuny | shurik: lp /etc/hosts should print it |
| 07:55.02 | Striker` | streuner, no. Just know how is possibile update my ip under another machine. If the box were Linux, I had the same problem. |
| 07:55.13 | Striker` | simonrvn, ethernet modem connected to windows XP. |
| 07:55.34 | jm_ | tarzeau: have you tried running local bub's brothers server? |
| 07:55.41 | simonrvn | streuner: dialup? dsl? dhcp? |
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| 07:55.46 | simonrvn | Striker`: ^^ |
| 07:55.49 | simonrvn | streuner: sorry |
| 07:55.57 | tarzeau | jm_: yes that's the only thing i played |
| 07:55.57 | streuner | simonrvn: np |
| 07:56.03 | Striker` | simonrvn, dsl |
| 07:56.05 | pfortuny | does anyone know why my pcmcia wifi card is freezing my computer ? |
| 07:56.07 | jm_ | tarzeau: it's awfully slow here for some reason |
| 07:56.11 | tarzeau | jm_: did you get it to work with python2.2-dev ? |
| 07:56.12 | pfortuny | freezing COMPLETELY |
| 07:56.15 | pfortuny | shurik? |
| 07:56.25 | graet | Is there any Instant Messaging group for Debian? |
| 07:56.35 | jm_ | tarzeau: I have no python-dev installed and it works ;) |
| 07:56.37 | shurik | jobs queued, but cannot start daemon. |
| 07:56.38 | tarzeau | jm_: it was damn fast on the p4 1ghz at home, will try it on powerpc (when i freed some disk space) |
| 07:56.46 | liable | pfortuny: look in the logs maybe for an idea |
| 07:56.50 | tarzeau | jm_: you didn't have to "make" ? you got the binary version? |
| 07:56.55 | jm_ | tarzeau: hmm I have P4 1.6GHz, will try restarting the server |
| 07:56.58 | pfortuny | which logs? liable? |
| 07:57.01 | tarzeau | jm_: there's also client-only versions, maybe you got that? |
| 07:57.02 | shurik | :)) |
| 07:57.09 | pfortuny | shurik: /etc/init.d/lpd start |
| 07:57.10 | tarzeau | jm_: the music is so cute :) |
| 07:57.11 | aardvark | it's funny how teh AOL ppl react when you tell them the OC is going to be cancelled. |
| 07:57.14 | shurik | I started lpd daemon it's printing n ow |
| 07:57.21 | simonrvn | Striker`: well, if i was there, i'd run the deb box as gateway, but that's me. i don't know what the situation is, but i'm just telling you what i would do |
| 07:57.22 | liable | pfortuny: kernel log or messages I spose |
| 07:57.26 | pfortuny | shurik: ok, try from kde |
| 07:57.30 | peterS | aardvark: what??!??! no more overclocking? |
| 07:57.58 | shurik | pfortuny: how do I cancel all print jobs now? |
| 07:57.58 | jm_ | tarzeau: maybe that's the problem - it just worked without me doing make - as for sound, it hangs for me if I use -slinux |
| 07:57.58 | pfortuny | shurik: /etc/init.d/lpd stop |
| 07:57.58 | aardvark | peterS: might as well be. it's a tv series, sort of a dumbed down beverly hills 90210. |
| 07:57.59 | pfortuny | do that now |
| 07:58.04 | shurik | pfortuny: purse from spool |
| 07:58.06 | tarzeau | jm_: what's -slinux for? |
| 07:58.07 | shurik | purge |
| 07:58.10 | peterS | aardvark: heh, yeah, I've heard of it. never watched it |
| 07:58.11 | Striker` | simonrvn, ahah nemesis:/etc/network# ddclient -web http://whatsmyip.info/ |
| 07:58.11 | Striker` | SUCCESS: updating controcultura.ath.cx: good: IP address set to 82.57.120.60 |
| 07:58.11 | Striker` | nemesis:/etc/network# |
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| 07:58.16 | pfortuny | shurik: stop the daemon first |
| 07:58.18 | Striker` | simonrvn, f.y. :D |
| 07:58.21 | jm_ | tarzeau: to select linux sound driver |
| 07:58.24 | rj__ | where do i place my gateway ip address at? |
| 07:58.24 | aardvark | peterS: it's religion to tards |
| 07:58.24 | tarzeau | jm_: you know a way to start it without this lynx stuff? |
| 07:58.26 | shurik | okay |
| 07:58.34 | pfortuny | shurik: and now cd /var/spool/lpd |
| 07:58.37 | tarzeau | jm_: you got oss (me got this) or alsa? |
| 07:58.42 | simonrvn | Striker`: cool. what's "f.y."? |
| 07:58.48 | nagual | rj__: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:59.03 | jm_ | tarzeau: OSS, I will look into this later - do you mean the client or the server? |
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| 07:59.08 | simonrvn | Striker`: please ask before you /msg someone |
| 07:59.10 | shurik | I stopped daemon and it still printing out |
| 07:59.16 | Striker` | simonrvn, just read. ;) |
| 07:59.19 | pfortuny | shurik: turn off the printer |
| 07:59.20 | simonrvn | Striker`: fuck you too |
| 07:59.23 | Striker` | ;)) |
| 07:59.30 | Striker` | anyway thank you. :)) |
| 07:59.33 | pfortuny | shurik: and now cd /var/spool/lpd |
| 07:59.40 | shurik | bloody hell |
| 07:59.42 | simonrvn | Striker`: um, that's not a greeting, that's telling someone off |
| 07:59.46 | tarzeau | jm_: i want to start the client using "bubnbros" command line or menu, and /etc/init.d/bubnbros start for the daemon |
| 07:59.46 | irp | tarzeau: ok, i get the source, but where i can find the compile options? in the configure file? |
| 07:59.48 | pfortuny | shurik? |
| 07:59.51 | shurik | setting up a printer is quite an exercise |
| 07:59.57 | shurik | it not stopping\ |
| 08:00.00 | tarzeau | irp: i told you, didn't i? see debian/rules |
| 08:00.01 | simonrvn | Striker`: ignored |
| 08:00.04 | pfortuny | plug it off |
| 08:00.07 | pfortuny | or unplug it |
| 08:00.12 | tarzeau | shurik: only if the printer sucks. who is the manufacturer? |
| 08:00.22 | pfortuny | tarzeau, canon |
| 08:00.23 | shurik | canon |
| 08:00.26 | tarzeau | pfortuny: sucks |
| 08:00.30 | pfortuny | :) |
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| 08:00.41 | irp | tarzeau: yes, sorry. |
| 08:00.44 | Subvertir | I installed my printer the easy way: plugged it into my windows box |
| 08:00.46 | Subvertir | lol |
| 08:00.48 | simonrvn | asshole |
| 08:01.08 | peterS | ewwwww, phaser printers |
| 08:01.22 | aardvark | tarzeau: i saw one on sale a while ago for about 500 euro (used) |
| 08:01.23 | tarzeau | 10:01 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from Subvertir: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 08:01.30 | Subvertir | Yep |
| 08:01.33 | tarzeau | aardvark: it's the color that's expensive, not the printer |
| 08:01.36 | tarzeau | peterS: not good? |
| 08:01.42 | aardvark | tarzeau: it came with wax things. |
| 08:01.42 | pfortuny | shurik, now you have to delete all the queued files |
| 08:02.09 | streuner | Subvertir: get X-Chat at least or why do you have to use this crap? |
| 08:02.12 | peterS | tarzeau: the only experience I had with a Phaser 340 was many years ago when we couldn't get it repaired cheaply |
| 08:02.23 | Subvertir | What, exactly, is wrong with mIRC? |
| 08:02.26 | tarzeau | peterS: hehe :) |
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| 08:02.29 | tarzeau | peterS: that's old |
| 08:02.36 | tarzeau | Subvertir: it sucks, it's not free |
| 08:02.56 | Crasp | what a great argument :) |
| 08:02.57 | peterS | Subvertir: and certain versions have gaping security holes yet people continue to use them |
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| 08:03.12 | Subvertir | people still have stock redhat 5.2 boxes connected to the internet |
| 08:03.17 | Subvertir | no one is saying 'linux sucks' because of it |
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| 08:03.25 | peterS | Subvertir: thus 'mIRC' in a version string is a good bet that you're talking to someone on an 0wned box |
| 08:03.26 | tarzeau | Subvertir: linux sucks |
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| 08:03.52 | Subvertir | peterS, dude, a solid percentage of pwnt boxen on the internet are *nix |
| 08:03.55 | streuner | Subvertir: those people can handle that |
| 08:04.00 | Subvertir | I'd say the odds are about even regardless of client |
| 08:04.04 | Crasp | i don't see why you have to make such a problem about somebody using an ircclient he prefers |
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| 08:04.05 | peterS | Subvertir: whether you're talking to the owner of the box, or to the person who thinks he still owns the box, is never a sure thing |
| 08:04.19 | tarzeau | Crasp: i didn't it's just wrong to say my printer works, i used windows |
| 08:04.23 | tarzeau | Crasp: (here) |
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| 08:04.29 | peterS | Subvertir: you really think that? run mIRC 6.0 for awhile then |
| 08:04.31 | streuner | Subvertir: and you can't compare deadrat with mIRC |
| 08:04.42 | Crasp | well perhaps i missed a part of the conversation then :) |
| 08:04.44 | Subvertir | I don't want to, hehe |
| 08:04.56 | Subvertir | look guys, I like it, isn't that enough? |
| 08:05.09 | tarzeau | Subvertir: nobody cares |
| 08:05.28 | Subvertir | so stop talking about it? |
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| 08:05.35 | Subvertir | and/or versioning me? |
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| 08:07.12 | tarzeau | jm_: can you join on gnu.ethz.ch:41215? |
| 08:07.30 | pfortuny | I am repeating but my pcmcia wifi card freezes my computer ABSOLUTELY (so I need to power off) |
| 08:07.40 | tarzeau | jm_: i can only join tomorrow, but we'll play some funny Bub n Bros this weekend |
| 08:07.55 | liable | pfortuny: I am repeating, look in the logs :) |
| 08:08.00 | pfortuny | any clue? there are no interesting messages in the log :/ |
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| 08:08.12 | Guerin | pfortuny: can you shell in? |
| 08:08.33 | liable | pfortuny: I do remember reading once about irq conflicts with a certain card, maybe look into that |
| 08:08.39 | pfortuny | Guerin, no, it stops working completely ALL nothing works. dead. |
| 08:08.44 | Guerin | funky |
| 08:08.50 | rj__ | if i use export DISPLAY=192.168.1.199:0 |
| 08:09.03 | rj__ | what port will x traffic be on, so i can open it up on a firewall |
| 08:09.13 | pfortuny | the screen is frozen and ... |
| 08:09.24 | shurik | pfortuny: when I print .pdf file sending it to lpr the printer prints out garbage |
| 08:09.32 | supaman | pfortuny: this usually points to a hardware problem, but your milage may wary |
| 08:09.38 | Guerin | rj__: why are you firewalling your internal network? |
| 08:09.40 | pfortuny | it happens at random (I browse the internet and then suddendly CRASH) |
| 08:09.49 | pfortuny | shurik: what have you printed it with? |
| 08:09.57 | shurik | lpr |
| 08:10.02 | shurik | acroreader |
| 08:10.04 | pfortuny | supaman that's a nice way of putting it |
| 08:10.10 | karsten | shurik: Feature. |
| 08:10.11 | pfortuny | shurik which one? |
| 08:10.19 | shurik | what which one ? |
| 08:10.19 | pfortuny | lpr or acroread? |
| 08:10.20 | rj__ | Guerin: I use smoothwall, theres 3 different interfaces, servers are on a 192.168.2.x segment, normal workstations are on a 192.168.1.x segment |
| 08:10.22 | caphuso | shurik: does the printer understand PDF? |
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| 08:10.49 | shurik | I don't know |
| 08:10.49 | shurik | it does on ms windows |
| 08:10.49 | pfortuny | shurik: it gives garbage with acroread or lpr? or both? |
| 08:10.49 | rj__ | Guerin: computers on the 192.168.2.x segment cannot establish connections to the .1.x workstations. |
| 08:10.50 | karsten | shurik: Printer configured how? CUPS? |
| 08:10.56 | caphuso | shurik: then it doesn't. you need a filter that converts stuff into something that your printer understands |
| 08:11.02 | shurik | karsten: via lpd |
| 08:11.10 | karsten | shurik: You probably want it to be configured for PS or PCL, and I'm betting PCL. |
| 08:11.13 | shurik | caphuso: into what ? |
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| 08:11.17 | caphuso | shurik: try apsfilter or magicfilter |
| 08:11.18 | Guerin | rj__: right, I understand. |
| 08:11.25 | karsten | shurik: Hrm. I'd recommend CUPS, personally. |
| 08:11.29 | caphuso | shurik: depends on what your printer is able to grok |
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| 08:11.56 | shurik | it's canon clolour buble jet |
| 08:12.02 | shurik | bjc-265sp |
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| 08:12.33 | goBig | how can I list all packages installed? |
| 08:12.39 | streuner | shurik: apt-get install magicfilter |
| 08:12.49 | streuner | goBig: dpkg -l |
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| 08:13.35 | Guerin | rj__: 177 rings a bell, but I'm trying to find a reference for that |
| 08:13.49 | rj__ | Guerin: let me give it a whirl. |
| 08:14.03 | Kaz_ | I'm new to debian, but when I run apt-get update now I get a lot of 404 errors |
| 08:14.21 | streuner | Kaz_: try another mirror |
| 08:14.26 | liable | Kaz_: maybe server is down |
| 08:14.40 | Kaz_ | it is amd64 alioth... I don't think I have many choices. |
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| 08:15.31 | streuner | Kaz_: ask in #debian-amd64 then |
| 08:15.31 | streuner | they should know what's going on |
| 08:15.31 | shurik | well I converted to ps first and printer still printing out garbage |
| 08:15.32 | karsten | Kaz_: I'm having ongoing connectivity issues past 48 hrs w/ Earthlink / o1.com / above.net |
| 08:15.39 | karsten | shurik: Try PCL. |
| 08:15.48 | shurik | how? |
| 08:15.57 | karsten | shurik: Good question. |
| 08:16.11 | Kaz_ | Dang. I'm trying to figure out how to upgrade php4 CLI to include mysql support. |
| 08:16.17 | Kaz_ | I guess default it is --without-mysql |
| 08:16.32 | streuner | shurik: did you install magicfilter? |
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| 08:17.50 | Guerin | rj__: 177 is the port over which XDMCP runs.... I'm not sure if others are necessary because I don't know what you're doing, really. |
| 08:18.40 | Guerin | Kaz_: apt-cache search php4 mysql |
| 08:18.55 | Guerin | Kaz_: you really think debian ships php without mysql support? Come on. |
| 08:19.26 | jethro | moin |
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| 08:19.46 | Kaz_ | guerin: This is what I have installed.... |
| 08:19.47 | Kaz_ | ii php4-cli 4.3.10-10 command-line interpreter for the php4 script |
| 08:19.47 | Kaz_ | ii php4-common 4.3.10-10 Common files for packages built from the php |
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| 08:19.50 | shurik | karsten: will ghostscript help? |
| 08:19.57 | jethro | !tell Kaz_ -about search |
| 08:20.05 | Guerin | Kaz_: yeah. Does that mention mysql anyplace? |
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| 08:20.32 | gass | i have a question: is there a real security to sarge? where can we find the security updates? |
| 08:20.45 | Kaz_ | hehe ok... maybe I installed the wrong one then :) |
| 08:20.51 | Kaz_ | php4-mysql - MySQL module for php4 |
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| 08:20.59 | jethro | Kaz_: man apt-cache, once you've figured out how it works, you'll have your answer |
| 08:21.38 | Kaz_ | thanks |
| 08:21.59 | jm_ | tarzeau: I start the client using python Client.py -dgtk -soff 127.0.0.1 |
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| 08:23.41 | gass | can anyone teel me where to find security updates to sarge, if there are? |
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| 08:23.51 | karsten | shurik: It might. Personally, I'm finding CUPS *vastly* more convenient than lpd for printer cfg |
| 08:23.54 | WorkerII | gass: security.debian.org |
| 08:23.59 | jethro | gass: security.debian.org, but it looks empty at the moment |
| 08:24.00 | WorkerII | !tell gass about security |
| 08:24.03 | liable | gass: no, not untill its stable |
| 08:24.16 | mirak | hi |
| 08:24.20 | streuner | gass: they working hard to fix RC bugs |
| 08:24.24 | mirak | is USB broken in sid ? |
| 08:24.25 | WorkerII | gass: Replace stable with sarge. |
| 08:24.26 | jethro | hi streuner |
| 08:24.34 | shurik | karsten: what's cups ? |
| 08:24.37 | jethro | !tell mirak -about bts |
| 08:24.37 | streuner | jethro: bon jour |
| 08:24.51 | shurik | a set of utilities with filters ? |
| 08:24.57 | Guerin | mirak: no |
| 08:25.26 | Guerin | liable: nope, security for sarge went live two days ago |
| 08:25.37 | gass | security.debian.org, related to sarge, is empty |
| 08:25.41 | jethro | indeed |
| 08:25.49 | pfortuny | shurik: have you visited http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-BJC-265SP ? |
| 08:25.50 | liable | Guerin: ok, I stand corrected, thanks :) |
| 08:25.56 | jethro | which probably means there have been no update *yet* |
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| 08:26.44 | gass | jethro: humm ... http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html <--- there are a few |
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| 08:27.31 | gass | well ... let's wait. |
| 08:27.31 | jethro | gass: there are security problems for sure, but no update available on security.debian.org |
| 08:27.37 | gass | yes |
| 08:27.46 | caphuso | it's only frozen for two days, give it some time |
| 08:27.58 | gass | jethro: but security issues could be handled with t-p-u |
| 08:28.14 | jethro | !t-p-u |
| 08:28.18 | jethro | wtf is that? |
| 08:28.25 | gass | caphuso: just passing by to see if anyone knew anything |
| 08:28.34 | jethro | caphuso: not complaining, just stating facts :) |
| 08:28.34 | idnar | jethro: testing-proposed-updates |
| 08:28.35 | gass | jethro: testing-proposed-updates |
| 08:28.53 | idnar | heh |
| 08:29.00 | gass | i thing t-p-u is deade |
| 08:29.03 | gass | i thing t-p-u is dead ! |
| 08:29.16 | peterS | jethro: that is, an upload queue for updates to sarge before it goes stable. now that it's frozen, normal uploads don't propagate anymore so you have to use t-p-u to get something in |
| 08:29.21 | liable | third time lucky? |
| 08:29.51 | jethro | peterS: thanks I just learnt something :) |
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| 08:30.32 | peterS | jethro: there's also a stable-proposed-updates which is used for sending security updates and other really important things in to be considered for the next point release of stable (like debian 3.0r4, 3.0r5, etc.) |
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| 08:30.42 | shurik | pfortuny: thanks |
| 08:30.45 | NmeA|Boa | great work, thanks YaleR :) |
| 08:30.57 | jethro | peterS: and that's all documented on w.d.o ? |
| 08:31.18 | jethro | peterS: I want to have a look at both |
| 08:31.20 | kamela | frozen... like my pizza! |
| 08:31.24 | Guerin | ffs |
| 08:31.30 | peterS | jethro: I don't know where this is documented. it's not important except to debian developers. non-developers can't upload to those queues anyway, same as the other queues |
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| 08:31.44 | Guerin | running X apps over ssh over 56k remote is fucking worthless |
| 08:31.49 | pfortuny | surik: it should work following the instructions there. |
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| 08:31.56 | NmeA|Boa | lol Guerin |
| 08:32.07 | jethro | peterS: ah ok nevermind then :) |
| 08:32.19 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's ok without GNOME/KDE and -CX |
| 08:32.29 | Guerin | hrm, -C |
| 08:32.34 | tarzeau | yeah |
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| 08:32.38 | Guerin | i thought compression was on by defualt? |
| 08:32.42 | tarzeau | no it's not |
| 08:32.44 | karsten | Guerin: it *IS*? |
| 08:32.50 | karsten | Guerin: ...and nobody *TOLD* me? |
| 08:32.55 | tarzeau | heh |
| 08:32.56 | Guerin | shuddup |
| 08:33.03 | Guerin | foxing basket |
| 08:33.11 | karsten | Guerin: ...scope lbxproxy, FYI. |
| 08:33.32 | Guerin | and I can't just edit a damn config file, grrr |
| 08:33.42 | tarzeau | Guerin: haha evolution .. i hate it! |
| 08:33.50 | jethro | !comfort Guerin |
| 08:33.50 | karsten | Guerin: I love you. |
| 08:33.51 | dpkg | There, there, Guerin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:33.52 | tarzeau | Guerin: which version of it? and gtk? and gnome? |
| 08:33.57 | karsten | Guerin: I really, really, really love you. |
| 08:34.02 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:34.07 | Guerin | loooong time |
| 08:34.09 | tincorrec | grrr i hate nessus, so much to lock down, |
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| 08:34.20 | Guerin | tarzeau: she uses xfce4, but I just have the one app up |
| 08:34.24 | karsten | Guerin: You've just proven my point WRT GNOME and config files. |
| 08:34.41 | Guerin | whatever version was in sarge about the end of february |
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| 08:34.50 | Guerin | karsten: what config files? |
| 08:34.56 | Guerin | oh, those xml bastardisations |
| 08:35.01 | tarzeau | Guerin: i've used sylpheed claws problemless since version 0.4.x .. using GNUMail.app now |
| 08:35.05 | streuner | Guerin: so downgrade the version doesn't help? |
| 08:35.20 | karsten | Guerin: Precisely. |
| 08:35.25 | Guerin | streuner: i dunno... i don't really want to upgrade all of gtk as well |
| 08:35.32 | tarzeau | Guerin: gconf stuff, it gave me aa very hard time too, a few weeks ago (one strange user was using it) |
| 08:35.33 | karsten | Guerin: ...FYI, gconftool _may_ be of some use. |
| 08:35.45 | tarzeau | karsten: hahah, yeah if you know the secret parameters |
| 08:35.56 | tarzeau | karsten: i needed assistance from #evolution from the wrong network |
| 08:36.08 | tarzeau | and they didn't really want to support debian stable version .. said it was stoneage |
| 08:36.12 | tarzeau | haha |
| 08:36.29 | streuner | Guerin: well... |
| 08:36.41 | tarzeau | takatumi_, streuner: hi btw |
| 08:36.48 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 08:36.48 | dpkg | debstats is probably managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 08:36.52 | streuner | tarzeau: moin |
| 08:37.10 | Guerin | karsten: at this point I don't even know what the problem is ... the error message is a typically worthless "failed to connect to imap server feayn.org in secure mode: ssl negotiations failed" |
| 08:37.18 | tarzeau | omg i'm talking too much |
| 08:37.19 | Guerin | and nothing in logs on said server |
| 08:37.40 | tarzeau | !seen sussudio |
| 08:37.41 | dpkg | sussudio <~sussudio@sussudio.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 10h 37m 26s ago, saying: '!mith mith'. |
| 08:37.46 | tarzeau | !mith mith |
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| 08:37.59 | bucky | !seen aardvark |
| 08:37.59 | dpkg | aardvark is currently on #debian (17h 20m 39s). Has said a total of 377 messages. Is idling for 36m 16s |
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| 08:38.06 | kullanici | how can i install v4l for debian easily ? |
| 08:38.21 | Guerin | v4l is a kernel thing. it's in debian kernels. |
| 08:38.21 | karsten | Guerin: This problem _could_ be far worse. |
| 08:38.27 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 08:38.29 | Guerin | f'sure |
| 08:38.31 | karsten | Guerin: ... It could be mine. |
| 08:38.59 | kullanici | Guerin: all things are ok but xawtv or scantv or tvtime can't find channel frequencies.. what should i do ? |
| 08:39.13 | Guerin | kullanici: i don't know anything about tv on linux. |
| 08:39.21 | karsten | Guerin: Of no particular use to you, but some vaguely related comments WRT GNOME's configs being hard to deal with: http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2004-January/008499.html |
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| 08:41.02 | liran | im during the woody install (for the first time) and i've got a 32mb partition for /boot and it seems like i cant do any mounting of my choice... where do i configure that? |
| 08:41.05 | tezem | Is there a special openssl dev package in debian? |
| 08:41.23 | caphuso | tezem: libssl-dev |
| 08:41.27 | simonrvn | not, special, but there is one |
| 08:41.29 | Guerin | tezem: apt-cache search openssl |grep dev |
| 08:41.35 | tarzeau | tezem: why must it be openssl? |
| 08:41.35 | simonrvn | s/not,/not/ |
| 08:41.38 | liable | liran: you put grub where? |
| 08:41.40 | Kaz_ | how can you tell if SMP is enabled in your kernel? or if you are using >1 CPU? |
| 08:41.49 | tarzeau | Kaz_: uname -a |
| 08:41.56 | tarzeau | Kaz_: and /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:42.16 | liran | liable, on the mbr before with mdk, but im now on the woody install stages |
| 08:42.24 | tezem | thx |
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| 08:42.30 | liable | liran: grub/lilo |
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| 08:42.42 | liran | liable, its lilo as far as i remember |
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| 08:42.58 | liran | liable, i dont care which to use with debian though |
| 08:42.59 | simonrvn | tarzeau: often because the app isn't coded for gnutls... |
| 08:43.41 | liable | liran: dont know anything about lilo, but you probably need to point it to your new /boot partition |
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| 08:44.04 | bucky | and don't forget to run lilo |
| 08:44.16 | liable | liran: you still installing or rebooting? |
| 08:44.26 | liran | im just asking where do i do my mounting in debian |
| 08:44.36 | tarzeau | liran: /etc/fstab |
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| 08:44.49 | tarzeau | but you can also mount monsters with a saddle in nethack |
| 08:45.04 | liran | tarzeau, you're missing the point |
| 08:45.09 | liran | i haven't yet installed debian |
| 08:45.09 | amandine | hello |
| 08:45.15 | liran | im still in the install screens |
| 08:45.37 | liable | liran: install lilo in mbr |
| 08:45.57 | liran | its an old old box, thats why a /boot under the 1024cyl is important |
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| 08:49.43 | liable | liran: why woody? |
| 08:50.16 | Crasp | because you're worth it! |
| 08:50.26 | exerd | i have a file called font-cache1 in all my folders. whats that? |
| 08:50.43 | Crasp | !folder |
| 08:50.44 | dpkg | [folder] a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
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| 08:52.39 | kullanici | what should i do after plugged tv card and installed xawtv on debian to watch television? |
| 08:52.48 | seren | whats a good ftp server with a GUI? |
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| 08:53.14 | Shane^ | seren: those words are mutally exlusive |
| 08:53.20 | Shane^ | *typos* |
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| 08:54.19 | Active2 | kullanici, euh run xawtv ? |
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| 08:54.43 | Guerin | !tv |
| 08:54.43 | dpkg | it has been said that tv is xawtv |
| 08:54.48 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:55.01 | hexxeh|work | kullanici, i'd suggest trying tvtime instead. or zapping. |
| 08:55.25 | nagual | glftpd is a good ftpserver with a gui :) |
| 08:55.28 | nagual | err |
| 08:55.30 | nagual | nm |
| 08:55.36 | nagual | i thought of the win32 ftpd :) |
| 08:55.50 | seren | u mean theirs no ftp server with a gui? |
| 08:55.52 | Guerin | no it's not |
| 08:55.55 | liran | im going with woody cause this box is acting as a gateway, it needs to be secured |
| 08:55.59 | kullanici | Active2 hexxeh|work i tried tvtime and xawtv but they don't show channels.. |
| 08:56.04 | liran | well im installing the base system |
| 08:56.06 | Guerin | there's no such thing as a good ftpd with a gui, by definition |
| 08:56.26 | kullanici | i tried scantv to find channels.. but it don't find any channel |
| 08:56.31 | Active2 | kullanici, you let the programs search for the channels ? (tvtime can do it himself and for xawtv you have a scan program) |
| 08:56.33 | liran | weird thing is that i wasnt asked to mount anything by woody's install, i wonder where is it installing all the packages to |
| 08:56.34 | Guerin | liran: sarge has security now |
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| 08:56.42 | Guerin | liran: and is potentially MORE secure than woody |
| 08:56.51 | kullanici | Active2: like i said above :( |
| 08:56.59 | rosam | hola alguien de habla hispano |
| 08:57.08 | streuner | !es |
| 08:57.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:57.16 | seren | theirs got to b a ftp server with a gui come on =/ |
| 08:57.26 | Guerin | seren: no. |
| 08:57.28 | rosam | hola |
| 08:57.29 | liable | Guerin: you forgot to mention, its a shitload easier to install |
| 08:57.32 | Guerin | seren: why the fuck would there be? |
| 08:57.34 | caphuso | Guerin: did you lately check http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html? |
| 08:57.40 | seren | for noobs like mw |
| 08:57.43 | rosam | pues hablare solita |
| 08:57.44 | seren | me* |
| 08:57.45 | rosam | :) |
| 08:57.55 | Guerin | seren: noobs shouldn't run ftp servers. |
| 08:58.21 | hexxeh|work | kullanici, are you set to use the right input (e.g. not on composite or svideo in) |
| 08:58.21 | Active2 | kullanici, right tvcard chosen in the kernel ? |
| 08:58.31 | hexxeh|work | kullanici, and this is regular analog, not dvb, right? |
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| 08:58.35 | Active2 | that's also a point yes :) |
| 08:58.49 | Guerin | caphuso: yeah. But since woody's stock kernels haven't been updated in a couple years... |
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| 08:59.00 | kullanici | cabletv.. and i selected television input... |
| 08:59.15 | Guerin | seren: apt-get install vsftpd; it has a pretty simple config file |
| 08:59.35 | seren | n how am i gonna figure it out? |
| 08:59.42 | Guerin | seren: you can read, right? |
| 08:59.46 | seren | i read well |
| 08:59.50 | Guerin | seren: then read. |
| 08:59.52 | caphuso | Guerin: that equals out with the sarge kernels being insecure too |
| 08:59.59 | kullanici | :( |
| 09:00.01 | seren | after than run vsftpd i assume |
| 09:00.05 | liable | caphuso: they are not all root access bugs though are they? |
| 09:00.08 | Guerin | caphuso: it's a matter of HOW insecure. |
| 09:00.27 | Guerin | caphuso: i did say potentially; I didn't say it was a clear decision. |
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| 09:01.15 | Guerin | seren: no. read man vsftpd.conf and edit /etc/vsftpd.conf; after you edit the config file, restart the server with /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
| 09:01.18 | rosam | no me llames iluso |
| 09:01.23 | rosam | porque tenga una ilusion |
| 09:01.23 | seren | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.23 | seren | E: Invalid operation vsftpd |
| 09:01.30 | Guerin | seren: man apt-get |
| 09:01.37 | tarzeau | seren: try moo |
| 09:01.38 | primoz | seren, apt-get install vsftpd |
| 09:01.46 | seren | thx |
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| 09:01.52 | seren | tarzeau, moo? |
| 09:02.12 | drac | seren: apt-get moo |
| 09:02.20 | tarzeau | !moo |
| 09:02.20 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 09:02.22 | POVaddct | moo! |
| 09:02.37 | jusnetworx | how do i upgrade woody to sarge? |
| 09:02.41 | seren | moo > vsftpd? |
| 09:02.44 | drac | jusnetworx: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 09:02.55 | Guerin | seren: ignore them |
| 09:03.47 | seren | wtf is moo? |
| 09:03.52 | rossi | geil |
| 09:03.53 | tarzeau | super cow powers! |
| 09:03.55 | Guerin | it's the noise a fucking cow makes |
| 09:03.57 | streuner | seren: apt-get moo |
| 09:04.02 | seren | nah dood |
| 09:04.05 | rossi | ich zieh grad die debian images mit 10 mbs |
| 09:04.09 | tarzeau | !de |
| 09:04.09 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 09:04.16 | tarzeau | rossi: images are not geil |
| 09:04.21 | streuner | rossi: server or desktop |
| 09:04.21 | tarzeau | rossi: netboot/install is geil |
| 09:04.22 | rossi | jo |
| 09:04.26 | seren | streuner, apt-get check out my denim python |
| 09:04.28 | rossi | aber ich hab kein inet mehr |
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| 09:04.33 | rossi | was meint ihr |
| 09:04.34 | seren | O_o |
| 09:04.35 | tarzeau | !de |
| 09:04.36 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 09:04.42 | Crasp | rossi: please speak english? |
| 09:04.52 | rossi | kann ich debian auch auf nem 133 pentium mit 48 mb edo rams installieren? |
| 09:04.54 | liable | rossi: /j debian.de |
| 09:04.55 | rossi | sry |
| 09:04.55 | karsten | rossi: Sprach englisch, Bitte. |
| 09:05.00 | Crasp | rossi: the "de" in "debian" has nothing to do with german or whatsoever :) |
| 09:05.00 | rossi | wrong channel |
| 09:05.09 | karsten | rossi: ...odey geh noch #debina-de. |
| 09:05.10 | tarzeau | Crasp: heh |
| 09:05.13 | rossi | thought would bei in de |
| 09:05.17 | karsten | s/odey/oder/ |
| 09:05.34 | tarzeau | rossi: i run debian on a 486 33 mhz with 32mb mem |
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| 09:05.44 | karsten | Guerin: ...and how did you come by this knowledge? |
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| 09:05.53 | jethro | I run debian on my toaster |
| 09:05.56 | Guerin | karsten: whicho? |
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| 09:06.00 | Crasp | tarzeau: what purpose does a 486 serve for you these days? |
| 09:06.02 | jethro | oops, that's netbsd there not debian sorry |
| 09:06.02 | tarzeau | jethro: photo? |
| 09:06.05 | jethro | :) |
| 09:06.05 | karsten | jethro: I run Debian on my dormat. |
| 09:06.07 | tarzeau | Crasp: gateway |
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| 09:06.10 | karsten | Guerin: moo. |
| 09:06.12 | Crasp | tarzeau: ah :) |
| 09:06.14 | Guerin | i got you all beat |
| 09:06.16 | rossi | tarz I want a x window system |
| 09:06.22 | Guerin | i run the sarge installer on my coasters |
| 09:06.25 | karsten | Crasp: Makes a decent FW/GW. |
| 09:06.35 | tarzeau | rossi: nice, i run it on a 486 equivalent: www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
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| 09:06.49 | tarzeau | rossi: x runs fine on a pentium. you'll want more memory |
| 09:06.50 | karsten | Guerin: the pebbles in my driveway run OpenBSD. |
| 09:06.51 | rossi | I need it for burning cds |
| 09:07.02 | Guerin | karsten: itym caltrops |
| 09:07.04 | rossi | and reading pdfs |
| 09:07.07 | tarzeau | i need mine for playing music |
| 09:07.10 | Guerin | rossi: no you don't |
| 09:07.11 | jethro | openbsd !! |
| 09:07.12 | rossi | and playing music |
| 09:07.13 | karsten | Guerin: Heh. |
| 09:07.21 | tarzeau | rossi: oh pdfs suck on linux |
| 09:07.26 | Guerin | rossi: apt-get install pdftotext cdw cplay |
| 09:07.30 | POVaddct | rossi: you need X for burning cds?! |
| 09:07.36 | karsten | Guerin: ...I was going to say, it's the broken stone distributin... |
| 09:07.40 | Guerin | karsten: haha |
| 09:07.45 | rossi | no I mean debian on 133 |
| 09:07.49 | rossi | pentium |
| 09:07.55 | karsten | tarzeau: s/on linux// |
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| 09:08.07 | tarzeau | karsten: how true |
| 09:08.28 | tarzeau | rossi: you need X for playing music? |
| 09:08.35 | rossi | no |
| 09:08.44 | tarzeau | you don't need X then |
| 09:08.50 | rossi | but I have to have all files now |
| 09:08.56 | Guerin | you don't need it for pdfs either |
| 09:08.59 | rossi | cause I dunno have inet at home |
| 09:09.01 | seren | think i should sleep or eat benzedrex????????? |
| 09:09.07 | scar_ | I would like to install the config_tun modul to my kernel, but I dont know how to approach? |
| 09:09.07 | seren | hmm? |
| 09:09.09 | Guerin | seren: sleep |
| 09:09.14 | drac | rossi: You are not sure? |
| 09:09.31 | Guerin | scar_: man modprobe |
| 09:09.34 | seren | fuck sleep sleep when ur dead imma tweak |
| 09:09.35 | seren | pz |
| 09:09.46 | tarzeau | rossi: or http://www.reklamballon.hu/f/redbull.jpg |
| 09:09.49 | scar_ | Guerin, but where do I "get" this module? |
| 09:10.05 | scar_ | Guerin, I know that I can test modules with modprobe |
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| 09:10.32 | jusnetworx | what is everyone's favorite gui? |
| 09:10.34 | karsten | tarzeau: no, no. You need X for _listening_ to music. |
| 09:10.34 | rossi | well which appz pdf and music and burning and codecs |
| 09:10.35 | Guerin | scar_: if it's not in your kernel already, you'll have to see if it's a separate module in debian, or you'll have to get the source, and build it agains the headers of your kernel |
| 09:10.44 | karsten | jusnetworx: moi gui. |
| 09:10.45 | peterS | jusnetworx: Microsoft Bob |
| 09:10.45 | rossi | cdrecord |
| 09:10.51 | Guerin | rossi: apt-get install pdftotext cdw cplay |
| 09:10.51 | karsten | jusnetworx: ...or caramel. |
| 09:11.00 | tarzeau | rossi: viewpdf.app |
| 09:11.03 | karsten | jusnetworx: bash |
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| 09:11.06 | tarzeau | rossi: cynthiune.app |
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| 09:11.30 | scar_ | Guerin, how do I check, if it is already in my kernel? and if it's not, how/ where do I get the source and build it in? |
| 09:11.38 | rossi | are they all on these images debian-30r5-i386-binary-1 NONUS.iso |
| 09:11.41 | rossi | to 7 |
| 09:11.52 | rossi | I am have will burn these here |
| 09:12.01 | streuner | rossi: NO |
| 09:12.01 | rossi | cause I dunno have inet at home |
| 09:12.15 | streuner | rossi: those are woody images... |
| 09:12.22 | peterS | rossi: those contain the whole FTP archive. you only need to download and burn them if you don't plan to have network access after you've installed your system, *and* you think you'll need all manner of exotic apps nobody ever uses |
| 09:12.25 | streuner | rossi: get sarge |
| 09:12.42 | rossi | sarge is better |
| 09:12.50 | rossi | I dunno have network |
| 09:12.55 | rossi | I have just d/l all |
| 09:12.56 | rossi | lol |
| 09:12.56 | tarzeau | get network! |
| 09:13.05 | karsten | jusnetworx: Any other questions? |
| 09:13.08 | rossi | but I have fast conni |
| 09:13.19 | tarzeau | you want slow conni? go turkez |
| 09:13.33 | rossi | I get sarge and burn those but with my 133 mhz which images should I get? |
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| 09:13.51 | tarzeau | rossi: get livecd.gnustep.org |
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| 09:20.32 | liran | ok debian is installed i need to quit for more configurations |
| 09:20.33 | liran | laters |
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| 09:21.02 | liable | does sarge support a 133, do you have to use an old kernel, or will newer ones still cover it. |
| 09:21.28 | drac | liable: 2.6.8-2-386 runs on it. |
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| 09:21.33 | petemc | provided it has enough ram should be fine |
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| 09:22.02 | doleyb | liable: it works with 20mhz or even less |
| 09:22.09 | liable | ok, not sure, trying to get my hands on an old box too play with. |
| 09:22.15 | Stormchaser | hi! |
| 09:22.30 | tarzeau | what do you people look like? http://www.planearium2.de/flash/sp-studio-e.html |
| 09:22.38 | Stormchaser | A question: Where can I find X.org in apt reposity? |
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| 09:22.45 | tarzeau | Stormchaser: you can't |
| 09:22.50 | tarzeau | !topicsmithe Stormchaser |
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| 09:23.39 | liable | Stormchaser: /msg dpkg xorg, or read the topic |
| 09:23.43 | shurik | which package should install for GhostScript ? |
| 09:24.19 | Stormchaser | liable: will do |
| 09:24.24 | qwertz | Hi! Is there any gateway to use active directory informations on a linux box (maybe in combination with openLDAP)? |
| 09:24.57 | luite | I'd like to use rsync or an rsync like tool to make backups to a remote server, but I don't want the backup account to have root permissions. is there a way to preserve the ownership of the files, without having root access? |
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| 09:26.15 | bob2 | luite: er, how can you read the file without root priveleges? |
| 09:26.18 | tarzeau | shurik gs ? |
| 09:26.46 | tarzeau | luite: sudo? setuid root? |
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| 09:27.15 | luite | bob2: the backup runs as root on the server from which the bakcup is made... but I don't want to give root permissions to the backup user on the target server, where the backup is sent to |
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| 09:27.32 | bob2 | not possible, afaik |
| 09:27.44 | bob2 | unless you switch to tar or something |
| 09:27.53 | pfortuny | luite: and what permissions do you want to give to it? |
| 09:27.54 | ciga | I want to create a img file of my floppy. I have only 500K datas on it, but dd creates an 1.44Mb file. Why is that? |
| 09:27.55 | bob2 | make sure you're copying numeric uids, too, not username |
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| 09:28.00 | bob2 | I don't know what rsync does by default |
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| 09:28.08 | bob2 | ciga: because the disk is 1.44MB |
| 09:28.15 | jm_ | ciga: because it reads entire disc |
| 09:28.23 | ciga | bob2: is there anything I can do about it? |
| 09:28.30 | bob2 | ciga: you copied every single bit off the disk, it just happens that 900KB or so are useless |
| 09:28.33 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.33 | jm_ | comporess it |
| 09:28.39 | bob2 | ciga: if you don't want an image of the disk, copy the files off |
| 09:28.43 | bob2 | that will only take ~500KB |
| 09:28.45 | karsten | ciga: Compress the resulting image file, if you must. |
| 09:28.49 | tarzeau | ciga: compress it? |
| 09:29.03 | luite | pfortuny: just a regular user... and I was hoping that there would be a way to allow regular users to change file ownership on certain dirs or something like that |
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| 09:29.17 | tarzeau | karsten: heh |
| 09:29.43 | karsten | luite: For your backup question, forced command might be an option. It's an ssh feature. |
| 09:29.44 | tarzeau | ciga: is it bootable? |
| 09:29.49 | tarzeau | ciga: if not, just copy the files? |
| 09:29.53 | karsten | luite: Allows you to allow *only* once command to be run as root. |
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| 09:30.23 | luite | karsten: ah tnx, I'll have a look |
| 09:30.34 | ciga | What I want to do is to create a bin file of the floppy that is ~ 500K, and not 1.44Mb. and I wonder if it is possible or not. |
| 09:31.02 | jm_ | ciga: it is if the tool understands file system that's on it |
| 09:31.15 | ciga | jm_: it is vfat. |
| 09:31.24 | tarzeau | ciga: it probably is possible yes |
| 09:31.57 | karsten | ciga: What I'd do in that case is this: |
| 09:32.00 | jm_ | ciga: there are several DOS tools for it |
| 09:32.26 | karsten | ciga: Create a 500 KB file, create a vfat filesystem on it, mount it (loopback). Copy the files off your floppy... |
| 09:32.42 | karsten | ciga: ...you may or may not need to zero the floppy you write to. |
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| 09:32.56 | tarzeau | karsten: what if it's bootable? |
| 09:33.01 | karsten | ciga: ....then image the 500 KB file back to floppy (after umounting the loopback mount). |
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| 09:33.12 | ciga | karsten: yes I did it like this, except I did not know that the image would be only 500K |
| 09:33.12 | karsten | ciga: More trouble than it's worth, IMO. |
| 09:33.19 | karsten | tarzeau: 1st 512 bytes. |
| 09:33.51 | karsten | ciga: Some knowledge you have only *after* creating the thing. Arguing about 500K in this day and ages seems pretty silly. |
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| 09:34.46 | ciga | karsten: I am not arguing. |
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| 09:35.05 | karsten | ciga: Are too! |
| 09:35.17 | ciga | d2 |
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| 09:35.46 | tarzeau | r2 |
| 09:36.04 | ciga | tarzeau: does that make sense? |
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| 09:36.10 | karsten | tarzeau: c3po |
| 09:36.15 | ciga | :) |
| 09:36.16 | tarzeau | karsten: he didn't get it |
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| 09:36.35 | karsten | tarzeau: and repeated the feat several time.s |
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| 09:36.49 | karsten | tarzeau: I sense a great disturbance in the farce. |
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| 09:37.19 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 09:37.30 | jethro | hey tabbuddy |
| 09:37.33 | tosh | smartd won't run and the 3ware kernel module complains about an invalid reference, im using a 3ware 9500 series raid card.. anyone got this running somewhere? |
| 09:37.45 | jetscreamer | hey jethro |
| 09:37.53 | rossi | GNUSTEP-i386-0.9.4.2.iso I got that for my 133 mhz pentium |
| 09:37.59 | tarzeau | rossi: cool! |
| 09:37.59 | rossi | are there any other |
| 09:38.04 | rossi | good |
| 09:38.06 | tarzeau | rossi: no, boot that |
| 09:38.08 | rossi | it is fast here |
| 09:38.12 | tarzeau | rossi: it works? |
| 09:38.21 | rossi | do I need a hdd for that? |
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| 09:38.27 | tarzeau | rossi: no |
| 09:38.32 | rossi | c00l |
| 09:38.46 | tarzeau | rossi: :) thanks |
| 09:38.55 | rossi | tarzeau for music pdf and burning |
| 09:39.07 | karsten | rossi: GNUstep on P-133 should be fine. |
| 09:39.09 | tarzeau | rossi: start Cynthiune and ViewPDF |
| 09:39.32 | tarzeau | rossi: for burning , use cdrecord (it's all on the cd, you'll want one cd-rom and one cd-r drive at least) |
| 09:39.40 | tarzeau | for installing you need about 1,5 gb disk space |
| 09:40.09 | rossi | well I have a 8x cdrom |
| 09:40.15 | rossi | is that to slow? |
| 09:40.18 | tarzeau | no perfect |
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| 09:40.25 | tarzeau | that's 8x150kbyte/s |
| 09:40.42 | tarzeau | 1,2 mb |
| 09:40.45 | rossi | I can take another |
| 09:40.52 | tarzeau | and the burner? |
| 09:40.56 | rossi | 4x |
| 09:41.02 | rossi | old one |
| 09:41.03 | tarzeau | that's fine too |
| 09:41.16 | rossi | but Iwant to burn mp3s |
| 09:41.19 | tarzeau | rossi: you can develop software using your software, you know? |
| 09:41.25 | rossi | is there a gui for cdrecord |
| 09:41.29 | tarzeau | rossi: you have like the best development environment, ever! |
| 09:41.34 | jethro | heh |
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| 09:41.39 | tarzeau | rossi: yes but it's broke. read www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ |
| 09:41.57 | tarzeau | jethro: must be careful with so much power |
| 09:42.13 | jethro | tarzeau: ? |
| 09:42.28 | jethro | tarzeau: which power, and carefull about what? |
| 09:42.33 | tarzeau | jethro: GNUstep power |
| 09:42.36 | jethro | aaah, then environment |
| 09:42.39 | jethro | I should try it someday |
| 09:42.45 | jethro | is it for used machines only ? ;) |
| 09:42.59 | jethro | s/then/the/ |
| 09:42.59 | tarzeau | any machines |
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| 09:43.49 | rossi | well the problem is my computer has broken (mainboard) so I want to use my old 133 mhz and the mp3 are on a win partition on the hdd and there is debian installation, too |
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| 09:44.26 | tarzeau | rossi: yes that's fine. were you able to start Cynthiune? |
| 09:44.42 | tarzeau | rossi: there's also madplay on the cd. and rl! next version will have open cubic player |
| 09:44.54 | tarzeau | rossi: www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ for how to access your wind part |
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| 09:45.35 | rossi | tarzeau is it dangerous for loosing data? |
| 09:45.46 | rossi | of that wind partition? |
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| 09:46.23 | liable | rossi: you can mount it read only |
| 09:46.46 | scar_ | I have done a make oldconfig at my kernel source folder ... is he reading out all the things I have previously marked? because I had just minor changes-... |
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| 09:48.07 | liable | scar_: what are you doing? why make old config? |
| 09:48.49 | rossi | www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ <<-- read only?? |
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| 09:49.51 | scar_ | liable, I need the CONFIG_TUN option. and because I can either compile it within the kernel as static or as a module I went to /usr/src/linux-x and did a make oldconfig ... he then generated a .config file. and I changed within there the option CONFIG_TUN=y |
| 09:49.54 | Fitti | hello |
| 09:50.07 | Fitti | i have a problem unistalling vpopmail |
| 09:50.39 | Fitti | with apt-get remove |
| 09:50.48 | liable | scar_: use make-kpkg, lifes a lot easier, install kernel-package |
| 09:51.48 | scar_ | liable, hm? ... I can not really follow you ... what do I need to do? |
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| 09:53.23 | liable | scar_: you are compiling a kernel? do it the debian way, and use kpkg. easier. :) |
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| 09:53.52 | renegad3 | is there a way of turning off my usb device before unplugging it? and I dont mean by umount'ing it either |
| 09:54.06 | tokiya | Fitti: what's the problem? |
| 09:54.25 | scar_ | liable, well I wanted to recompile, yes. I have done make-kpkg within the kernel source folder, and now he's going nuts. what is he doing? and what do I need to do afterwards? |
| 09:54.26 | Fitti | i can't unisntall vpopmail |
| 09:54.27 | resiak | renegad3: Why? |
| 09:54.50 | Fitti | apt-get remove vpopmail-bin fails |
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| 09:54.58 | renegad3 | resiak, just to be safe |
| 09:55.05 | resiak | renegad3: ... |
| 09:55.18 | resiak | renegad3: After you umount it, what could possibly be unsafe? |
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| 09:55.24 | quittt | how do I set my clock? |
| 09:55.32 | liable | scar_: scar_ google, compiling kernel debian. all you need to do is 'make-kpkg kernel_image' and then install the .deb |
| 09:55.44 | ciga | thanks |
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| 09:56.07 | tarzeau | rossi: no |
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| 09:56.13 | Fitti | tokiya: /etc/init.d/vpopmail: xmalloc: /Users/chet/src/bash/src/parse.y:4817: cannot allocate 57 bytes (0 bytes allocated) |
| 09:56.13 | tokiya | Fitti: what exactly does it say? |
| 09:56.15 | Subvertir | http://di.cx/gallery/LFS/wepiojcvwpevmw =D |
| 09:56.18 | resiak | !set clock |
| 09:56.19 | tarzeau | rossi: it's just very powerful. like you are sitting on a space shuttle |
| 09:56.20 | resiak | :( |
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| 09:56.44 | Fitti | invoke-rc.d: initscript vpopmail, action "start" failed. |
| 09:56.53 | resiak | !tell quittt -about set the time |
| 09:57.17 | tokiya | Fitti: I sometimes get an error similar to that, but I don't know exactly what it means |
| 09:57.32 | tokiya | Fitti: maybe it's a bug? |
| 09:57.43 | Fitti | i don´t know |
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| 09:58.28 | liable | tarzeau: sounds like fun, untill re-entry ;) |
| 09:58.33 | Fitti | i must tu unistall vpopmail beacouse it execute "clearopensmtp" and it use 100% |
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| 09:59.15 | renegad3 | resiak, when I umount my shuffle ipod, unplug it, then plug it in, I sometimes get errors... so if I can turn off the device before unplugging it might not create errors... |
| 09:59.21 | tictac | anyone know why my system would be at 100% when burning cds/dvds with cdrecord/dvdrecord? using a 2.4 kernel |
| 09:59.50 | resiak | renegad3: ...there's nothing else to do apart from umounting it. |
| 09:59.57 | renegad3 | ahh ok |
| 10:00.03 | tokiya | Fitti: maybe you should report it to bts (?) |
| 10:00.12 | liable | renegad3: errors, like, the old mount point dont exist? |
| 10:00.23 | renegad3 | no, bad superblock |
| 10:00.26 | renegad3 | things like that |
| 10:00.28 | resiak | renegad3: Sounds like iPod silliness :) |
| 10:00.38 | jetscreamer | tictac: sounds normal to me |
| 10:00.39 | renegad3 | resiak, :D |
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| 10:00.59 | tictac | jetscreamer: no. it shouldnt be. not with the system i have. |
| 10:01.06 | renegad3 | resiak, thanks for your help anyways ;P |
| 10:01.20 | resiak | renegad3: *shrug* Sorry that the answer was "no". :-) |
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| 10:01.36 | renegad3 | resiak, I guess I have to live with it :D |
| 10:01.58 | liable | renegad3: does dmesg say anything about it when you plug it back in? |
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| 10:02.14 | liable | renegad3: or just when mounting? |
| 10:02.15 | Fitti | tokiya: but how i unistnall it? any idea? |
| 10:02.29 | renegad3 | liable, yes, thats what ive been looking at |
| 10:03.38 | liable | renegad3: so even before mounting? does it still mount? |
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| 10:04.20 | renegad3 | liable, when plugging it in, it will have the errors in dmesg and I cant mount it |
| 10:04.42 | tokiya | Fitti: hmm.. perhaps fix this: /Users/chet/src/bash/src/parse.y:4817: cannot allocate 57 bytes (0 bytes allocated) |
| 10:04.56 | renegad3 | liable, i will paste you the output in pastebin if you want? |
| 10:05.05 | liable | yep |
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| 10:05.58 | scar_ | how do I unpack a *.tar.bz2 file? |
| 10:06.10 | liable | !tar |
| 10:06.10 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 10:06.18 | renegad3 | liable, http://pastebin.com/280359 |
| 10:06.43 | scar_ | thx |
| 10:07.44 | Fitti | tokiya: the folder /Users doesn´t exist |
| 10:07.56 | liable | renegad3: can you turn ipods off? |
| 10:08.20 | liable | renegad3: never had one, would imagine so. |
| 10:08.31 | tokiya | Fitti: hm... I'm out of ideas... is that from unstable? |
| 10:08.50 | liable | renegad3: try turning it off after disconnecting. then remounting. |
| 10:09.04 | renegad3 | liable, ive got a shuffle, its not as big as the normal ipods and doesnt have a display, but when I plug it in, its alrady off |
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| 10:09.56 | renegad3 | liable, its kewl, thanks for you time, looks like I have to do more research on it and see what others have come across |
| 10:09.57 | Fitti | tokiya: its ubuntu... |
| 10:10.06 | jetscreamer | okie my kid pissed me off so i uninstalled gnome and installed kde |
| 10:10.09 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 10:10.09 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
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| 10:10.25 | tokiya | so that's why... |
| 10:10.43 | tokiya | Fitti: you should be asking at #ubuntu :) |
| 10:10.59 | liable | renegad3: try sdb5? |
| 10:11.19 | Fitti | in #ubuntu nobody helps :( |
| 10:11.26 | liable | renegad3: why did you choose sdb3 |
| 10:11.27 | renegad3 | whats that supposed to mean?????? "Linux for Human Beings" thats from the ubuntu site |
| 10:11.36 | WorkerII | Fitti: You pay for support with ubuntu .. and then you get good support. |
| 10:11.37 | jethro | !ubuntusmite Fitti |
| 10:11.37 | renegad3 | liable, I didnt? |
| 10:11.37 | jetscreamer | we aren't human i guess |
| 10:11.43 | bizkit_ | is it possible to link a directory and its contest with a different owner using mount --bind? (e.g. i have a dir with files owned by blah, now i want to link it to another dir using mount --bind but the owner now should be blabb?) |
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| 10:11.46 | jethro | !d-i Fitti |
| 10:11.47 | dpkg | Fitti, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:11.49 | jetscreamer | lol! |
| 10:11.59 | jetscreamer | i love ubuntusmite |
| 10:12.00 | renegad3 | liable, I mounted my shuffle with /dev/sdb1 |
| 10:12.01 | WorkerII | Fitti: They tell you not to read 24 books about sendmail to set up exim for local delivery. |
| 10:12.04 | jethro | so do I :) |
| 10:12.09 | jethro | I like gentoosmite too |
| 10:12.24 | liable | renegad3: try sdb5, for shit and giggles |
| 10:12.44 | renegad3 | liable, ohh sorry, I was trying something else out |
| 10:13.22 | WorkerII | I am actually serious |
| 10:13.29 | renegad3 | liable, heheh someone suggested that, but didnt work --> I was more so reffering to the dmesg output ;) |
| 10:13.34 | WorkerII | You get the OS for no charge - why not pay for support? |
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| 10:13.47 | renegad3 | liable, I might have gone a bit too far with the highlighting :D |
| 10:14.04 | WorkerII | If I could get real cool support cheap, I wouldn't mind paying, unless it was expensive. |
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| 10:14.17 | renegad3 | liable, --> mount: /dev/sdb5 is not a valid block device |
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| 10:14.22 | liable | renegad3: actually sdb3 should be it, you've tried both? |
| 10:15.00 | renegad3 | liable, I can get the shuffle mounted with /dev/sdb1 only sometimes doesnt work |
| 10:15.51 | liable | renegad3: try /dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 just out of interest |
| 10:16.28 | mattySn_ | how do I tell nickserv that I want to change passwd? |
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| 10:16.50 | SlayerXP | mattySn_: /msg nickserv help |
| 10:17.11 | renegad3 | liable, so #mount -t vfat /dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /media/ipod -o umask=000?? |
| 10:17.33 | mattySn_ | SlayerXP : it just explains briefly that I can register a nick |
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| 10:17.39 | renegad3 | liable, mount: special device /dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 does not exist, guess not |
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| 10:18.16 | liable | renegad3: what kernel, you have udev? |
| 10:18.34 | SlayerXP | mattySn_: now if you actually READ ALL OF THE TEXT IT SENT YOU, you'll see some other options |
| 10:18.41 | liable | renegad3: what was the command you used? |
| 10:19.33 | renegad3 | kernel im running is --> 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 10:19.52 | tosh | is it safe to just remove the kernel-utils package? |
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| 10:20.06 | renegad3 | liable, command was --> mount -t vfat /dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /media/ipod -o umask=000 |
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| 10:21.52 | BleSS | hi! anybody with a monitor no-EDID (Plug'n'Play)? |
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| 10:22.21 | liable | renegad3: if you wanna stop ok, but maybe try as the error message says /lun0 :p1 (I'm really only stumbling through this with you) |
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| 10:23.36 | liable | renegad3: dpkg -L udev ?? |
| 10:23.36 | renegad3 | liable, ive got it mounted... im not sure if were on the same level? but I get errors sometimes when umounting the plugging the ipod back in, and I wanted to know if there was a way of actually turning off the ipod before unplugging it |
| 10:24.03 | liable | renegad3: I thought you couldnt remount it? |
| 10:24.05 | renegad3 | liable, its not installed |
| 10:24.12 | BleSS | anybody with a monitor no-EDID (Plug'n'Play)? could run 'X -configure' and checking if the X config file has been built with standar frequencies and modelines? |
| 10:24.33 | renegad3 | are a couple of tries of plugging it in then out I could |
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| 10:25.33 | liable | renegad3: a lot of people here dont like udev, but it makes your dmesg output easier to understand, and hasnt failed me, yet. |
| 10:25.40 | IDC | in /etc/init.d/ there is an 'iptables' ,can i just add rules in this file that they will be auto loaded at startup so i dont have to load the rule in iptables manually everytime after a reboot ? |
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| 10:26.31 | simonrvn | IDC: that's not what it's for |
| 10:26.37 | IDC | :( |
| 10:26.53 | simonrvn | IDC: read the script; it'll show you what it does do |
| 10:27.00 | Scruffy | salut |
| 10:27.06 | Scruffy | pourriez vous m'aider ? |
| 10:27.10 | simonrvn | IDC: /usr/share/doc/iptables/ |
| 10:27.12 | simonrvn | !fr |
| 10:27.13 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 10:27.23 | Scruffy | oh thank you |
| 10:27.24 | _if | !bg |
| 10:27.24 | dpkg | methinks bg is Bulgaria, or background |
| 10:27.25 | Scruffy | lol |
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| 10:27.41 | IDC | simonrvn, or i souce a file there named firewall ,add rules in it then make a link to it in the correct runlevel <@2> that is in /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
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| 10:28.51 | simonrvn | IDC: whatever. the script is there if you want to use it |
| 10:29.10 | IDC | i will try that,thanks |
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| 10:30.18 | jetscreamer | god, i sorted the icons and this box locked up |
| 10:31.12 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 10:31.31 | jetscreamer | cpu or mb only left to change out |
| 10:31.58 | rossi | how to boot gnustep from floppy? |
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| 10:32.28 | rossi | they write on there site dd if=grub*img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 10:32.46 | jetscreamer | a floppy that would boot any bootable cd would be nice to have |
| 10:32.51 | rossi | is that the command for writing on the floppy |
| 10:32.56 | jm_ | jetscreamer: apt-get install sbm |
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| 10:33.05 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 10:33.15 | liable | rossi: yes that should do it |
| 10:33.26 | rossi | and then boot with floppy |
| 10:33.34 | rossi | and the cd should start |
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| 10:34.20 | jetscreamer | done, but man sbm isn't very verbose... |
| 10:34.28 | liable | rossi: hmm, is that what they say will happen? Maybe try it :) |
| 10:34.31 | jm_ | /usr/share/doc/sbm |
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| 10:34.50 | jetscreamer | OMG i sorted the icons again and it locked up again |
| 10:35.14 | jetscreamer | i'll try nv instead of nvidia |
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| 10:35.37 | jm_ | jetscreamer: also read troublsheooting section in nvidia drivers' README file |
| 10:35.42 | jetscreamer | heh i almost pushed the reset button on this box |
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| 10:36.15 | rossi | liable thx |
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| 10:36.22 | rossi | see ya l8ter |
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| 10:36.31 | rossi | I ll be back |
| 10:36.37 | liable | rossi: good luck :) |
| 10:36.40 | rossi | and tell you what happened |
| 10:36.43 | NmeA|Boa | Hi folks, what would i type to install java on debian? |
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| 10:36.44 | rossi | THX |
| 10:36.45 | dizzy | how can I know which program is listening on a port? |
| 10:36.58 | jm_ | netstat |
| 10:36.58 | liable | dizzy: netstat |
| 10:37.02 | caphuso | dizzy: lsof/netstat/fuser |
| 10:37.17 | dizzy | netstat gives - |
| 10:37.28 | jm_ | run it as root |
| 10:37.36 | liable | dizzy: netstat -pantu |
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| 10:38.08 | dizzy | liable: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2639 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
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| 10:38.31 | liable | dizzy: lsof -i |
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| 10:39.34 | BleSS | I'm finishing a tool to configure X: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-332150.html .And i needs to know if 'X -configure' generate standard modelines and monitor sync frequencies in monitors no-EDID |
| 10:40.08 | simonrvn | BleSS: tried it yet? |
| 10:40.26 | jm_ | unplug the monitor, run the command, see what it says |
| 10:40.46 | jetscreamer | must be nvidia |
| 10:40.47 | liable | dizzy: no idea sorry, about that 0.0.0.0:2639 |
| 10:40.55 | salahuddin | gnome in sarge: |
| 10:40.56 | dizzy | liable: port 2639 is not listed by lsof |
| 10:41.08 | jetscreamer | 2.8 something |
| 10:41.10 | simonrvn | getent services 2639 |
| 10:41.10 | simonrvn | aminet 2639/tcp |
| 10:41.21 | salahuddin | after mount windows drive in gnome it did not show the drive in desktop |
| 10:41.25 | simonrvn | don't ask me what aminet is |
| 10:41.30 | salahuddin | after give apt-get upgrade |
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| 10:41.53 | BleSS | simonrvn, it goes very well, it only is to solve to this for the monitors no-EDID |
| 10:42.02 | jetscreamer | give apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:42.03 | salahuddin | if i log off then log in then it shows the drive icon same abt umount :( |
| 10:42.08 | salahuddin | ok |
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| 10:42.38 | salahuddin | debian66:/home/salahuddin# apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:42.39 | salahuddin | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 10:42.39 | salahuddin | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 10:42.39 | salahuddin | Calculating Upgrade... Done |
| 10:42.39 | salahuddin | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 10:42.39 | salahuddin | debian66:/home/salahuddin# |
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| 10:43.10 | jetscreamer | btw don't paste things here we use #flood or a pastebot/bin |
| 10:43.21 | salahuddin | ok |
| 10:43.26 | salahuddin | i am new in irc |
| 10:43.34 | jetscreamer | sorry my bright idea didn't work though |
| 10:44.41 | jetscreamer | my god nv is sloooow |
| 10:44.54 | salahuddin | byee |
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| 10:45.07 | liable | dizzy: is this a server? |
| 10:45.23 | dizzy | liable: yes |
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| 10:46.12 | dizzy | the port is blocked by the firewall anyway |
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| 10:46.19 | jetscreamer | god i moved an icon and it locked :) |
| 10:46.20 | salahuddin | i wanna reinstall mount |
| 10:46.28 | salahuddin | how to reinstall it with apt-get |
| 10:46.36 | salahuddin | it shows many depends |
| 10:46.37 | jetscreamer | you shouldn't, but apt-get install --reinstall mount |
| 10:46.42 | sep | salahuddin: apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 10:46.53 | salahuddin | thanx |
| 10:47.00 | jetscreamer | see also apt-cache search (searchterm) |
| 10:47.08 | liable | salahuddin: why is that? doesnt work |
| 10:47.08 | jetscreamer | salahuddin: it probably won't help |
| 10:47.13 | salahuddin | nope |
| 10:47.13 | mosty | jetscreamer: why do you keep saying "god" when you mean "fuck" ? |
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| 10:47.22 | tarzeau | liable: heh |
| 10:47.24 | jetscreamer | i don't, mosty |
| 10:47.40 | jetscreamer | if i mean fuck i'll fuckin-a type fuck |
| 10:47.44 | salahuddin | it may be mount problem a script in k3b or gtoaster has change mount and umount premission |
| 10:47.59 | jetscreamer | this isn't my box, so it's not a 'fuck' situation :) |
| 10:48.01 | salahuddin | then i fix manually and it causes gnome problem |
| 10:48.04 | mosty | normally when someone uses a particular word in every sentence, it's "fuck". windowlicker etc... |
| 10:48.18 | jetscreamer | ahhhh! i know, it's discover managing the mount points |
| 10:48.20 | caphuso | or "and" or "the" ;-) |
| 10:48.44 | jetscreamer | salahuddin: dpkg-reconfigure discover, tell it no don't manage the mount points, then recreate whatever in /media |
| 10:48.53 | jetscreamer | whatever == the mount point |
| 10:49.12 | salahuddin | ok |
| 10:49.22 | jetscreamer | to test before you do all that, ls /media and find your mount point |
| 10:49.30 | jetscreamer | if it's not there, i'm right |
| 10:49.41 | simonrvn | or "a", or "or" or ... |
| 10:49.59 | salahuddin | strange problem |
| 10:50.13 | salahuddin | if i mount two drive then one is shown |
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| 10:50.30 | salahuddin | and after i logoff and then login i fould |
| 10:50.47 | salahuddin | than after umount one drive gone other still in desktop |
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| 10:51.43 | liable | salahuddin: your not mounting them to the same mount point are you? |
| 10:51.50 | salahuddin | ya |
| 10:51.55 | salahuddin | it work in shell oky |
| 10:52.00 | salahuddin | and also in kde |
| 10:52.14 | salahuddin | and no |
| 10:52.19 | salahuddin | ans no |
| 10:52.19 | liran | ok so it seems like debian woody is installed ok, though when i launched 'startx' even though kde loaded fine the mouse and keyboard stopped responding and now it boots off gdm automatically on boot |
| 10:52.42 | jetscreamer | woody is not what you want to run X on |
| 10:52.44 | liran | and lilo seems to boot up auto also without letting me put in any parameters |
| 10:52.47 | jetscreamer | or kde or gnome |
| 10:53.07 | liran | yeah ofcourse, but it doesnt mean i cant run it |
| 10:53.14 | jetscreamer | uncomment or put, in lilo.conf, prompt, delay= and timeout=, then rerun lilo |
| 10:53.33 | liran | anyway the problem now remains - i boot straight into gdm and have no control (no mouse or keyboard) |
| 10:53.37 | jetscreamer | add a value after the ='s... 20 & 150 are the defaults, respectively |
| 10:53.43 | liable | salahuddin: so you are mounting two drives on one mount point? |
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| 10:54.00 | salahuddin | nope |
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| 10:54.22 | salahuddin | fstab /media/c /media/d |
| 10:54.26 | sep | !nodm |
| 10:54.26 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 10:54.32 | liable | liran: try alt-ctrl-F1 |
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| 10:55.34 | Sparc64 | What exactly is gnome-keyring? Can I delete it? |
| 10:55.35 | jetscreamer | salahuddin: ls /media and do you actually have a c and a d directories in there? |
| 10:55.46 | jetscreamer | it's the gpg keys of the gnome devs |
| 10:55.48 | salahuddin | ya i just chk |
| 10:55.49 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 10:55.53 | liran | the problem is that the keyboard is totally unrespnosive. no numlock etc, but ill try that liable in a second when it boots up again |
| 10:56.25 | salahuddin | i am jusyt trying with reconfigure discover |
| 10:56.33 | jetscreamer | i told discover not to manage mount points and never had a problem again.. all i really know |
| 10:56.36 | liable | liran: you cant append to the kernel line? |
| 10:56.37 | mirak | now I have the vendor id and the device id, how can I guess what module I should load for this usb device ? |
| 10:56.47 | Sparc64 | Do the GPG keys get checked after installation? |
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| 10:58.10 | salahuddin | if i give dpkg-reconfigure discover then is shows me that everything is loaded correctally |
| 10:58.19 | jetscreamer | not afaik, but i know nothing Sparc64 |
| 10:58.33 | salahuddin | is ther any way withour dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 10:58.42 | salahuddin | without |
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| 10:58.54 | liran | i cant append to it |
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| 10:59.12 | liran | liable, i was able for a moment to go to console indeed but it got stuck again |
| 10:59.19 | jetscreamer | liran: usb kb? |
| 10:59.25 | liran | lol i wish |
| 10:59.30 | liran | its an old p2 |
| 10:59.48 | liable | Sparc64: gpg keys are for checking files you have downloaded, to make sure they havent been tampered with. If you dont download anything outside debian.org, yes you can delete it. |
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| 11:00.05 | jetscreamer | salahuddin: i can't test it, i uninstall discover as soon as i can, but afaicr that was the command :( |
| 11:00.13 | liran | if i am able to get my kb runing again next boot, how do i disable gdm temporarily? can i do init 3? |
| 11:00.22 | salahuddin | ok |
| 11:00.35 | liable | liran: linux single |
| 11:00.38 | mirak | how can I know wich device matchs wich module, when I already know the device and vendor id, given by lspic or lsusb ? |
| 11:00.39 | jetscreamer | single at boot: prompt |
| 11:00.44 | jetscreamer | ah linux single |
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| 11:01.00 | liran | thats part of the problem, i dont have any boot prompt |
| 11:01.05 | liran | lilo boots off straight |
| 11:01.09 | Subvertir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:01.16 | mosty | liran: hold shift? |
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| 11:01.41 | Muffie | Anyone knows how fdisk calculates the size of a disk? For a certain disk of mine, it shows 5764216+ blocks (for 1 partition), and 23552424 (for another partition). Looks like the correct number of megabytes of each partition (its a 30gb HD). But... the size, shows me this: Disk /dev/hdd: 2111 MB, 2111864832 bytes. fdisk dont let me use more than 2gb!!! |
| 11:02.05 | liran | mosty, thanks, holding shift gives prompt |
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| 11:02.13 | liran | ok linux single it is. |
| 11:02.15 | liable | liran: surely theres an old crusty lilo user here :) |
| 11:02.15 | PSIplus | Hi! |
| 11:02.28 | liran | hehe |
| 11:02.31 | liable | liran: that can help |
| 11:02.36 | salahuddin | i have remove discover |
| 11:02.41 | salahuddin | should i need restart |
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| 11:02.45 | liran | ok, what did we say disables runlevel 5? |
| 11:03.13 | liable | liran: where are you at? |
| 11:03.15 | ix | kernel init=/bin/bash, remount / as rewritable |
| 11:03.17 | ix | :) |
| 11:03.30 | PSIplus | after a crash my fs was corrupted and the contents of /var/lib/dpkg are inconsistent... dpkg reports when I try to install debs "fgets gave an empty string from diversions [i]" ... how can I repair/rebuild the contents of /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 11:03.34 | heh | Can anyone recommend a new comedy movie and a comedy show (other than Friends) ? |
| 11:03.52 | salahuddin | restarting my pc come back soon |
| 11:03.55 | liran | im booting as linux single, it's repairing my inodes cause of the hard-reset but in seconds i should be in # |
| 11:04.05 | mosty | that "my flatmate is a big fat slut" show is funny, but i've only seen half an episode |
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| 11:04.18 | heh | mosty, never heard of it. |
| 11:04.43 | mosty | heh, similar humour to gross point blank |
| 11:04.45 | Phated | Coupling. |
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| 11:05.05 | petemc | PSIplus: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
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| 11:05.32 | mosty | i was assuming you were looking for american comedy, since you referred to friends, which isn't actual comedy |
| 11:05.35 | IDC | In /etc/rc?.d/ there ,what is the difference bewteen S12xxx and S13xxx for example ? here the number stands for what ? |
| 11:05.46 | PeterLicht | schreibt man nur in ENG oder ist hier grad zufall? |
| 11:05.48 | mosty | IDC: ordering |
| 11:05.52 | mirak | hi |
| 11:05.57 | POVaddct | PeterLicht: english only |
| 11:05.58 | IDC | mosty, important ? |
| 11:06.00 | petemc | IDC: zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 11:06.01 | mosty | idc: S12 gets run before S14 |
| 11:06.12 | mirak | I have found pcitable , but I can't find an equivalent like usbtable |
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| 11:06.44 | mosty | idc: ordering is important for some things, and not for others. eg network must be up before remote mounting |
| 11:06.50 | ram_einstein | hi all, I'm a Fedora user and I think I want to try Debian |
| 11:07.05 | PeterLicht | is there a german #debian HELP-channel somewhere? |
| 11:07.11 | IDC | mosty, I see,so i think the orders ..yes important but only when something is required to run before soemthing then the order is important but usually we can define a custom value there will be fine ? |
| 11:07.11 | Phated | !de |
| 11:07.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 11:07.25 | ram_einstein | I'm on Fedora Core 3 presently, do you think Debian is a sensible switch for me? |
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| 11:07.47 | mosty | idc: to be safe, just pick a number larger than any others |
| 11:07.47 | liable | ram_einstein: yes, just do it. |
| 11:07.53 | IDC | mosty, i see,hey i just sucessfully let iptables run at starkup :D |
| 11:07.55 | PSIplus | petemc: I know the manual... |
| 11:07.58 | PeterLicht | thanks an leaving |
| 11:08.01 | petemc | PSIplus: then why ask? |
| 11:08.07 | ram_einstein | okay liable what do I download? |
| 11:08.16 | IDC | now i dont have to manually do iptables-restore iptables-script lol ,was really annoying |
| 11:08.20 | PSIplus | petemc: but there isn't any usefull information on how to repair/rebuild the dpkg database |
| 11:08.27 | liran | liable? |
| 11:08.32 | ram_einstein | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/ |
| 11:08.33 | liable | !tell ram_einstein abou d-i |
| 11:08.36 | IDC | mosty, yeah,got it |
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| 11:08.59 | petemc | PSIplus: lies, enjoy your broken system |
| 11:09.00 | ram_einstein | what's 3.0_r5? |
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| 11:09.09 | ram_einstein | and what's current? |
| 11:09.11 | petemc | 6.3.5 Rescue system after crashing /var |
| 11:09.15 | liable | !tell ram_einstein abou di |
| 11:09.21 | PSIplus | petemc: okay... there it is... thanx :-) |
| 11:09.21 | Phated | !d-i ram_einstein |
| 11:09.22 | dpkg | ram_einstein, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:09.28 | salahuddin | now fix after move discover |
| 11:09.31 | petemc | PSIplus: too lazy to read, thats your problem |
| 11:09.33 | salahuddin | but i hav foud |
| 11:09.35 | salahuddin | that |
| 11:09.53 | liable | bah dpkg hates me |
| 11:10.15 | ram_einstein | now what? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
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| 11:10.19 | ram_einstein | current? |
| 11:10.25 | ram_einstein | I'm on 1386 arch |
| 11:10.31 | liable | ram_einstein: get the sarge net install cd, if you have a good internet connection, dont go 3.0 |
| 11:10.32 | ram_einstein | *i386 |
| 11:10.42 | salahuddin | the /etc/mtab /dev/hda5 /media/d vfat rw,noiratime,nosuid,nodev, |
| 11:10.44 | salahuddin | etc |
| 11:10.51 | ram_einstein | sarge net? what's that? |
| 11:10.55 | mirak | pcitable is the file where you now wich module match wich device according to is vendor et device id. I am searching the same for usb devices |
| 11:10.56 | ram_einstein | can you link me? |
| 11:11.00 | liable | !d-i |
| 11:11.00 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 11:11.09 | liable | ram_einstein: ^^ |
| 11:11.10 | salahuddin | sould i move it from mtab |
| 11:11.44 | IDC | is there a way to get to view the complete message from startup ,something was missing in dmesg but they were actually there |
| 11:11.48 | ram_einstein | I see 3.1 eh? |
| 11:11.59 | liran | how do i configure kb and mouse for kde/x? |
| 11:12.08 | liable | ram_einstein: visit debian.org, you can find out all about it. |
| 11:12.12 | IDC | but i can't stop the screen scrolling |
| 11:12.28 | mosty | idc: dmesg | less |
| 11:12.29 | pfortuny | IDC dmesg|more |
| 11:12.31 | Phated | IDC: Hit scroll lock. |
| 11:12.33 | liable | liran: so your in console? |
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| 11:12.37 | Phated | IDC: While booting. |
| 11:12.49 | IDC | mosty, and pfortuny those dont help |
| 11:12.54 | pfortuny | why? |
| 11:12.56 | ram_einstein | oh rc3 is release candidate 3! |
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| 11:12.59 | IDC | Phated, scroll lock ? |
| 11:13.00 | mosty | idc, why not? |
| 11:13.07 | Phated | IDC: Yes, it's on your keyboard. |
| 11:13.07 | liran | liable, yeah im in console via 'boot: linux single' |
| 11:13.16 | ram_einstein | of debian installer |
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| 11:13.27 | IDC | mosty, no idea |
| 11:13.32 | liable | liran: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:13.38 | mosty | idc: works fine here |
| 11:13.39 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:13.43 | IDC | Phated, find it |
| 11:13.51 | ram_einstein | 15 cds!? |
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| 11:13.55 | J_P | people, is possible request for add postgresql 8.x in sarge ? :-) |
| 11:14.01 | Phated | IDC: What? You're able to reaad your own keyboard, I trust. |
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| 11:14.05 | ram_einstein | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/i386/ right? |
| 11:14.09 | IDC | mosty, no,not here,i got a bunch of message in screen twice when booting and i cant find them in/with dmesg |
| 11:14.10 | ram_einstein | or am I blind? |
| 11:14.11 | liable | ram_einstein: go to the link that dpkg said!!! |
| 11:14.11 | liran | liable, let me see about that, just a min |
| 11:14.12 | Phated | ram_einstein: Just use the first. |
| 11:14.15 | mirak | so nobody knows how modules are bound to usb devices ? |
| 11:14.18 | Phated | FFS, ram_einstein. |
| 11:14.20 | Phated | !d-i ram_einstein |
| 11:14.21 | dpkg | ram_einstein, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:14.23 | mosty | ram_einstein: just use the first cd, or a netinstall minicd |
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| 11:14.33 | ram_einstein | yeah, that's the link all right |
| 11:14.41 | IDC | mosty, in screen it says too many fs type .....use dmesg | tail or so ...something like that,well brb,let me try scroll lock key |
| 11:14.53 | ram_einstein | use the first? you mean one is sufficient? |
| 11:14.56 | salahuddin | how to remove one user's all cache |
| 11:14.57 | mosty | i said less not tail |
| 11:15.05 | Phated | ram_einstein: To start a netinstall, yes. |
| 11:15.19 | liable | salahuddin: deluser, to remove a user |
| 11:15.27 | salahuddin | ok |
| 11:15.59 | ram_einstein | please Phanted and Mostly, cut the jargon. I'm new. What's netinstall? |
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| 11:16.09 | Phated | !netinstall |
| 11:16.10 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 11:16.17 | Phated | ram_einstein: Spell my nick right. Or use tab-complete. |
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| 11:16.33 | ram_einstein | yeah sure Phated sorry |
| 11:16.47 | liable | ram_einstein: GO TO debian.org AND READ |
| 11:17.03 | Phated | liable: Which he has already proven himself incapable of, thus far. |
| 11:17.04 | liable | ram_einstein: please |
| 11:17.15 | ram_einstein | okay chill! |
| 11:17.17 | Phated | Ey, SlayerXP! What's up? |
| 11:17.20 | ram_einstein | I'll read |
| 11:17.24 | ram_einstein | okay? |
| 11:17.30 | SlayerXP | Phated: not much, I'm still old enough to be your father |
| 11:17.42 | Phated | SlayerXP: Always was, always will be. |
| 11:17.55 | Phated | Always were, even. |
| 11:18.15 | pfortuny | OK, I have a system up and running. what do I do to get a recovery disk with all the dirs/libs/confs in it? |
| 11:18.40 | pfortuny | I mean something like "this is it, now just copy this to another HD and you have the same system" |
| 11:18.56 | pfortuny | or similar ... |
| 11:19.03 | liable | pfortuny: cp -a, or dd |
| 11:19.05 | mosty | pfortuny: buy a copy of norton ghost |
| 11:19.09 | petemc | pff |
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| 11:19.59 | bizkit | what is the umask for -rw-rw---- ? |
| 11:20.00 | liable | pfortuny: or for simple backup, for archive, partimage. |
| 11:20.15 | tarzeau | bizkit: stat tells you |
| 11:20.16 | onre | bizkit 660 |
| 11:20.22 | onre | bizkit, err, though that's not umask |
| 11:20.31 | bizkit | onre: ;) |
| 11:20.36 | tarzeau | bizkit: it's the octal value |
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| 11:20.40 | onre | but you can calculate it from there |
| 11:20.43 | pfortuny | liable: the dd thing looks promising... what about the MBR and things like that? |
| 11:21.25 | liable | pfortuny: yep can do mbr, but for partiton table is... liable consults his notes |
| 11:21.26 | bizkit | so 0660 would be my choice and the octal value of it would be the umask? |
| 11:21.34 | onre | 0660 is octal value in itself |
| 11:22.01 | liran | liable, ok i think its now setup better |
| 11:22.16 | liran | liable, how do i make debian boot into console automatically instead of runing gdm all the time? |
| 11:22.29 | tarzeau | was mit license dfsg ok? |
| 11:22.49 | liable | pfortuny: for partition table sfdisk |
| 11:22.50 | pfortuny | at boot time, liran, write "linux id:3" |
| 11:23.00 | jetscreamer | well chit. ok it's not the nvidia module |
| 11:23.05 | liable | liran: remove gdm |
| 11:23.08 | jetscreamer | so cpu or mb |
| 11:23.14 | jetscreamer | gdm rocks |
| 11:23.19 | bizkit | tarzeau: stat only tells me Access: (0660/-rw-rw----)? |
| 11:23.19 | liran | i dont want to remove gdm |
| 11:23.27 | liable | liran: can you startx without errors? |
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| 11:23.27 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 11:23.30 | liran | just not let it run for now, until i configure everything correctly |
| 11:23.31 | jetscreamer | back it up first |
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| 11:23.34 | pfortuny | thanks liable |
| 11:23.37 | jetscreamer | then empty it out |
| 11:23.43 | ram_einstein | okay, I read that manual |
| 11:23.58 | ram_einstein | it says "The latest stable release of Debian is 3.0" |
| 11:24.00 | Lorvija | Hey, is there any program with what I could convert powerpoint diashow to .avi .mpeg or any other movie format? |
| 11:24.01 | tarzeau | bizkit: well 0660 , isn't that what you wanted to know? |
| 11:24.02 | jetscreamer | that file controls |
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| 11:24.20 | ram_einstein | sarge(3.1) isn't even talked about there! |
| 11:24.22 | jetscreamer | there is a powerpoint viewer that is apt-gettable |
| 11:24.24 | ram_einstein | !d-i |
| 11:24.24 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 11:24.26 | jetscreamer | if that helps |
| 11:24.40 | Lorvija | jetscreamer well i need to convert it... viewing is no problem |
| 11:24.45 | ram_einstein | is it still under dev? I want something stable |
| 11:24.53 | liran | liable, yeah it seems like its starting without errors, im gonna try it again and see what i get for the kb and mouse, brb then |
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| 11:25.03 | liable | ram_einstein: sarge *will* be stable soon, if its a desktop machine just install sarge |
| 11:25.05 | jetscreamer | no idea then... maybe the oo equiv could do an export but no idea |
| 11:25.09 | etzerd | hello all |
| 11:25.15 | Lorvija | jetscreamer okay: thanks |
| 11:25.46 | ram_einstein | it is a desktop machine liable but this is the first time I'm trying debian so I just wanted a nice stable release |
| 11:25.52 | liable | liran: if you want to boot to console normally, why keep gdm? |
| 11:25.52 | jetscreamer | i guess it's easier to swap out the cpu first |
| 11:25.58 | ram_einstein | well if you say so... I'll go for sarge |
| 11:26.00 | jetscreamer | use sarge |
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| 11:26.17 | ram_einstein | okay jetscreamer I'm convinced |
| 11:26.37 | IDC | Phated, Thanks,that helped |
| 11:26.43 | IDC | hi jetscreamer howdy |
| 11:26.46 | liable | liran: or if you now have x working properlly, you can get console with ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 11:26.50 | etzerd | how can I download the last version of Debian. I download the sarge V.3.1 it cannot recognize my ATI 9200 Video card The Higher resolution I have is 800X600 and work only on VESA. |
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| 11:27.04 | jetscreamer | !flgrx |
| 11:27.14 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, wrong, 9200 is supported in sarge |
| 11:27.14 | pfortuny | IDC: in any case, all those messages ought to be at /var/log/syslog, I think |
| 11:27.15 | mikeX | etzerd, I think sarge is latest enough : P |
| 11:27.16 | jetscreamer | ok so i don't use ati |
| 11:27.26 | jetscreamer | !ati |
| 11:27.28 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 11:27.35 | liable | ram_einstein: if you use FC3, then sarge is way secure enough for you :) |
| 11:27.40 | bizkit | tarzeau: in man umask it says as example: 0666 & ~022 = 0644 = rw-r--r-- so the umask is '022' and gives me newly created files in 0644. i'm searching for the umask value which gives created files 0660, and i don't think the umask for it is 0660 since umask sets the umask to mask & 0777. i don't completely understand how to calculate the umask please help ;-D |
| 11:27.46 | hexxeh|work | 9200 is an r200 card, has open-source 3d acceleration in sarge |
| 11:27.49 | SirThomas` | hi, just a quicky, when booting woody its hanging and displays LI just after the DMI pool data thing |
| 11:27.51 | ram_einstein | :) what do I do after I get and burn the first cd? |
| 11:27.52 | IDC | THe message pops up twice in screen during booting ,read as " mount: wrong fs type,bad option,bad superblock on tmpfs,missing codepage or other error. IN some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so " |
| 11:27.53 | hexxeh|work | !li |
| 11:27.53 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 11:27.55 | liable | bah, ati worked out of the box for me. |
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| 11:28.04 | ram_einstein | it'll come up with a setup and ask for packages and all |
| 11:28.08 | jetscreamer | bizkit: subtract what you want from 7, put that value |
| 11:28.17 | ram_einstein | if I need more packages, it'll netinstall right? |
| 11:28.18 | jetscreamer | 7-6=1 |
| 11:28.20 | IDC | pfortuny, not really |
| 11:28.23 | petemc | bizkit: umask is subtractive, it takes awat from the default file creation mode of 0666 |
| 11:28.35 | IDC | pfortuny, i checked syslog ,no such message |
| 11:28.48 | pfortuny | what is the thing you are looking for? |
| 11:28.50 | mikeX | ram_einstein, yep |
| 11:28.53 | etzerd | Hessex: Remember I chat with you yesterday you give me the link I went there I download it I have the same issue, Keyboard problem, and VESA is the only resolution. I download the testing version. is it the right one? |
| 11:29.00 | IDC | but only with 'lock scrolling key' i could read the whole thing |
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| 11:29.07 | ram_einstein | but how will it connect to the net? there's a net config wizard in the setup? |
| 11:29.09 | pfortuny | ok, IDC |
| 11:29.13 | bizkit | so substract from what now? from 0777 oder from 0666? |
| 11:29.16 | jetscreamer | idc, shift+pgup/dn |
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| 11:29.22 | bizkit | s/oder/or/ grr german |
| 11:29.25 | petemc | bizkit: 777 for dirs, 666 for files |
| 11:29.27 | mikeX | ram_einstein, yes |
| 11:29.28 | jetscreamer | 0777-0666= |
| 11:29.32 | liable | ram_einstein: unless you have weird/exotic hardware, then the net install will install the base system, then you can get what you want from the net |
| 11:29.36 | IDC | jetscreamer, ok |
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| 11:29.46 | jetscreamer | actually man mount helped me a lot |
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| 11:29.53 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, what is the exact name of the .iso you downloaded? |
| 11:30.41 | ram_einstein | okay thanks liable |
| 11:30.41 | IDC | I didn't got that long message popping up at booting unless i use new kernel |
| 11:30.41 | mikeX | ram_einstein, assuming there is a dhcp service or you know how to configure your netcard (IP, gateway) there shouldn't be a problem |
| 11:30.41 | petemc | bizkit: good thing to remember, umask can never makes files executable, it can only take away from whats there, and the execute bit is never set |
| 11:30.41 | ram_einstein | why does it come in SO MANY cds though? all the packages I'll ever need? |
| 11:30.41 | ram_einstein | yes mikeX |
| 11:30.41 | jetscreamer | many diff arch |
| 11:30.51 | jetscreamer | many packages |
| 11:30.51 | ram_einstein | FC3 comes in 4 and I thought that what a lot! |
| 11:31.00 | mikeX | ram_einstein, and then some |
| 11:31.03 | jetscreamer | just get the net installer or the businesscard |
| 11:31.06 | bizkit | petemc: thank you! so 0666 & ~006 = 0660 so i have to do "umask 006" and i get files in 660 ?! |
| 11:31.13 | petemc | bizkit: right |
| 11:31.14 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, 15 per erchitecture, excluding non-free, contrib, and source |
| 11:31.26 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, debian has a lot of packages. personally i just use net-install |
| 11:31.31 | ram_einstein | wow hexxeh|work |
| 11:31.37 | liable | IDC: bootlogd, will lod it all |
| 11:31.43 | ram_einstein | okay, I'll come back here to get started with it |
| 11:31.44 | mikeX | ram_einstein, you should best get the DVDs for an offline install, otherwise 1 cd + net inst should be fine |
| 11:31.50 | jetscreamer | 15 per arch? ah i thought the 15 covered the arches.. my mistake |
| 11:32.10 | mirak | hi |
| 11:32.11 | IDC | liable, let me check |
| 11:32.12 | jetscreamer | i got me a sid iso to use with d-i last time |
| 11:32.22 | mikeX | latest jigdo DVDs are 3!! |
| 11:32.29 | mirak | I need a bit of help. Could soembody do this : grep -R 0573 /etc/hotplug/ |
| 11:32.38 | mirak | I need to see if I miss a file |
| 11:32.39 | ram_einstein | mikeX, I seriously prefer having everything on cd and not relying on the net but since this isn't stable... |
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| 11:32.47 | ram_einstein | I'll get all 10 of the stable release |
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| 11:32.58 | liable | ram_einstein: ffs, theres like 10,00 packages for debian, just get the fucking net install cd, and install it. |
| 11:33.17 | timo | mirak, /etc/hotplug/usb/libgphoto2.usermap:libgphoto2 and /etc/hotplug/usb/usb.usermap:usbcam match |
| 11:33.19 | liable | IDC: you need to install bootlogd |
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| 11:33.32 | ram_einstein | liable, there's no need to get agitated, I'm doing exactly that |
| 11:33.33 | mikeX | ram_einstein, the stable release (aka woody) is really old and not recommended for a Desktop system... If it's a sever though that's another story |
| 11:33.39 | mirak | tictac: damn I miss usb.usermap:usbcam match |
| 11:33.45 | liable | ram_einstein: not agitated at all. |
| 11:33.46 | IDC | liable, well,i now have the message,but dont know how to fix it though,im checking in /etc/fstab now |
| 11:33.47 | ram_einstein | okay mikeX |
| 11:33.51 | mikeX | ram_einstein, sarge is really close to becoming stable though.. |
| 11:33.55 | ram_einstein | okay chill lia |
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| 11:34.08 | mirak | timo: is it possible you dcc me this file ? |
| 11:34.34 | liable | ram_einstein: if you want the packages on cd, get the first two or most three |
| 11:34.35 | ram_einstein | I'm using torrent azurues to download and it's bloody slow: 26 KB/s |
| 11:34.45 | mikeX | ram_einstein, try out sarge with net install, and if you like it wait till it's stable to get all the cds |
| 11:34.55 | liable | ram_einstein: they are packaged according to popularity |
| 11:34.57 | etzerd | I download NETINST I386 |
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| 11:35.02 | ram_einstein | okay mikeX and liable |
| 11:35.07 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, 1) woody becomes obsolete in less than a month 2) it is utterly useless on the desktop, and will not work right on post-2002 hardware |
| 11:35.21 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: are you sure about 1)? |
| 11:35.23 | liran | that doesnt help |
| 11:35.24 | liable | ram_einstein: so the rest are really obscure not often needed packages |
| 11:35.25 | ram_einstein | I see |
| 11:35.28 | mikeX | ram_einstein, I usually use jigdo to download 1 DVD for use on my Desktop (which only has 33.6 dial-up) |
| 11:35.30 | timo | mirak, sorry, that's just usb.usermap |
| 11:35.31 | liran | booting up with 'linux id:3' still brings up gdm |
| 11:35.32 | ram_einstein | you all use sarge? |
| 11:35.36 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: we use it on 2) with our own kernels |
| 11:35.48 | sep | how long after sarge's release will there be provided security updates for woody ? |
| 11:35.53 | mikeX | ram_einstein, and so I update it everytime there is a new jigdo file (every 1 - 2 weeks) |
| 11:35.55 | ram_einstein | wiw mikeX! |
| 11:35.59 | tarzeau | ram_einstein: i use sid (privately, everything), and stable at work |
| 11:36.03 | ram_einstein | *wow |
| 11:36.04 | sep | ram_einstein: on all new installs yes |
| 11:36.06 | POVaddct | liran: boot with "linux 3" |
| 11:36.09 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, FROM WHERE. basically, i suspect you're full of crap, because i know full well sarge supports the ati radeon 9200. i'm using sarge on an ati radeon 9200 right now, at 1280x1024, with 3d acceleration |
| 11:36.12 | mirak | timo: I try to find wich module matches my usb device |
| 11:36.14 | timo | mirak, but http://thietanen.iki.fi/~timo/misc/usb.usermap |
| 11:36.21 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: the average freeze time of the last 3 releases were 200 days |
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| 11:36.37 | mirak | timo: thanks |
| 11:36.38 | hexxeh|work | tarzeau, i'm an optimist. also, i hate woody. |
| 11:36.38 | liran | oh but wait, my mouse and kb are now functioning |
| 11:36.40 | ram_einstein | what's jigdo? something like bittorrent or azurues? |
| 11:36.49 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: me too. me too. |
| 11:37.00 | liran | i'd still like to know how to boot into console without bringing up gdm automaticaly though just for future reference |
| 11:37.13 | mikeX | ram_einstein, it downloads each package from the mirrors and then builds a cd/dvd image on your machine |
| 11:37.29 | mikeX | ram_einstein, cause (dvd especially) images are not that easy to host |
| 11:37.57 | ram_einstein | I see too much space in one place eh? |
| 11:38.10 | mikeX | ram_einstein, http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 11:38.26 | etzerd | hexx: by the name of God when I select ATI as my video card I have an erro that read cannot start Xserver and it drop me to the console. If I type startx won't work only when I accept VESA as a default it works but the highest resolution is 800X600 |
| 11:38.28 | ram_einstein | what do you guys think of Fedora? I just want to know |
| 11:38.38 | liable | liran: well doesnt linux single do that? |
| 11:38.40 | streuner_ | !start a distro war |
| 11:38.40 | dpkg | Rock rocks! |
| 11:38.52 | POVaddct | etzerd: you must select the radeon driver, not ati |
| 11:38.54 | streuner_ | ram_einstein: we aren't care much |
| 11:38.57 | etzerd | OK thanks guys I guest I have just to give up, because I do not want to be insulted. |
| 11:39.01 | mikeX | ram_einstein, personally i've never used it and wouldn't want to : ) |
| 11:39.14 | IDC | Would anyone check your /proc just tell me how many files are there ? just the numbers is okay,thanks |
| 11:39.23 | ram_einstein | it's nice mikeX believe me you should try it sometime |
| 11:39.35 | liable | IDC: why? |
| 11:39.37 | drac | etzerd: Open up /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 in editor, change driver to "radeon", insert line saying: ChipID 0x5960 (try also 61, 62, 63, 64) there. |
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| 11:39.46 | Teemu_K | :p |
| 11:39.49 | etzerd | POW: maybe you make sence. Is the radeon drive will display for thoosing? |
| 11:39.51 | IDC | liable, because here ....a bunch in that direcotry |
| 11:39.56 | IDC | directory* |
| 11:40.01 | drac | etzerd: XFree86 doesn't regocnize all 9200 cards correctly, but that'll work. |
| 11:40.02 | mikeX | ram_einstein, well I have seen people trying to use it and I wasn't satisfied |
| 11:40.03 | ram_einstein | liable, what do you think of Fedora? you haven't told me yet |
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| 11:40.08 | liable | IDC: depends on a few factors such as acpi |
| 11:40.16 | dalaxi | hello .. |
| 11:40.18 | bizkit | now i have a test file with mode 0660 which looks like this: -rw-rw---- 1 blah bizkit 0 May 6 13:38 test and i try to delete the file as user bizkit (and i am in group bizkit) so why the heck can't i rm the file? group has rw! any ideas? |
| 11:40.21 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, fedora, in my experience, is absolutely fine if you have a completely standard pc, and never update your software, or install extra software |
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| 11:40.34 | ram_einstein | okay, major question: debian (sarge) comes with KDE and GNOME desktops? |
| 11:40.35 | drac | etzerd: all this to Section "device" |
| 11:40.38 | liable | ram_einstein: who cares? |
| 11:40.41 | liable | ram_einstein: yes |
| 11:41.00 | liable | ram_einstein: you can get whatever you want |
| 11:41.07 | mikeX | ram_einstein, KDE 3.3.4, GNOME 2.8 |
| 11:41.10 | IDC | liable, here ..in /proc ,i have 38 folders,plus that 27 files |
| 11:41.16 | liran | liable, no it doesnt, linux id:3 and linux single both run gdm by default |
| 11:41.23 | liran | although now its fine cause my mouse and kb are responsive |
| 11:41.30 | mikeX | ram_einstein, also XFCE4, and a bunch of misc window managers and stuff |
| 11:41.30 | liable | IDC: what are you chasing? |
| 11:41.35 | IDC | liable, because the error message at boot says' Mount: error..' im thinking its something to do with /etc/fstab |
| 11:41.36 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, debian _comes_ with a bash shell, and apt-get, and not much more. you can install gnome, kde, xfce4, windowmaker, *box, or whaever the hell you want, no fuss |
| 11:41.40 | ram_einstein | nah |
| 11:41.42 | mikeX | ram_einstein, what do you think 8000 packages are for : P |
| 11:41.45 | ram_einstein | I wanted KDE 3.4 |
| 11:41.48 | hexxeh|work | 18000 |
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| 11:41.59 | streuner_ | !debian stats |
| 11:42.08 | liable | liran: what? linux single runs gdm??? |
| 11:42.14 | ram_einstein | .. and these two desktops are on the first cd itself? |
| 11:42.21 | liable | ram_einstein: yes |
| 11:42.32 | mikeX | ram_einstein, if you want bleeding edge packages you should install sarge and then upgrade to sid (unstable)... But don't blame us if it brakes |
| 11:42.38 | scar_ | this is weird .. I have make-kpkg a new kernel .deb file, installed it with dpkg -i and everything went fine. he created the vmlinuz-2.4.30 file within the /boot folder and I have changed the line in /etc/lilo.conf correctly. but when I reboot the computer it still loads the old kernel? why? |
| 11:42.40 | liable | ram_einstein: matbe try ubuntu |
| 11:42.50 | ram_einstein | great! what's sid? |
| 11:43.00 | hexxeh|work | scar_, did you run "lilo"? |
| 11:43.04 | ram_einstein | and ubuntu? Linux for human beings!? |
| 11:43.05 | ram_einstein | lol |
| 11:43.06 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, sid is debian unstable. |
| 11:43.07 | liable | ram_einstein: go away |
| 11:43.14 | scar_ | hexxeh|work, duh! |
| 11:43.20 | scar_ | hexxeh|work, that's it :) |
| 11:43.21 | scar_ | lol |
| 11:43.30 | ram_einstein | liable, why? did I do something wrong? |
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| 11:43.49 | streuner_ | ram_einstein: so are asking the wrong questions |
| 11:43.56 | ram_einstein | well, if my presence disturbs you here... |
| 11:43.59 | streuner_ | ram_einstein: we are in #debian |
| 11:43.59 | tarzeau | ram_einstein: want to try livecd.gnustep.org ? |
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| 11:44.23 | bizkit | why can't i delete a file which is on chmod 777? what could prevent me from removing the file? (except any LIDS or secure linux stuff) |
| 11:44.24 | ram_einstein | yeah streuner_ what did I ask? |
| 11:44.28 | liable | ram_einstein: stop asking silly questions, please, its all very well documented, just google any of it. Not being mean, but, read a bit, eh? |
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| 11:44.33 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, debian has three versions. stable, which is stable (version numbers set in stone, security fixes only), unstable (new things go here, often prone to breaking), and testing (in theory, the beta for the next stable, i.e. new mostly bug-free packages filter in from unstable) |
| 11:44.40 | streuner_ | ram_einstein: well, scroll up |
| 11:44.52 | tarzeau | bizkit: ro mounted fs? |
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| 11:45.00 | bizkit | tarzeau: mounted rw |
| 11:45.04 | C_I_C_H_A | bry |
| 11:45.08 | tarzeau | bizkit: filesystem? |
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| 11:45.15 | tarzeau | !pl |
| 11:45.15 | dpkg | it has been said that pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 11:45.20 | petemc | bizkit: lsattr |
| 11:45.23 | bizkit | tarzeau: reiserfs |
| 11:45.27 | petemc | bizkit: it could be immutable |
| 11:45.27 | tarzeau | bizkit: yuck |
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| 11:45.53 | bizkit | petemc: s----d-------t test |
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| 11:46.06 | petemc | its not that, then |
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| 11:47.09 | bizkit | i don't understand that.. fs is rw, chmod is 777 and nothing is accessing the file but when i try to remove with any user except root and the owner i can't |
| 11:47.12 | ram_einstein | sorry.. I quit without thanking |
| 11:47.18 | PeterLicht24 | ls -l /dev/ttyS* shows dialout as Type for each port, is this correct for a mouse on COM1? |
| 11:47.25 | ram_einstein | thank you all for everything! |
| 11:47.30 | POVaddct | bizkit: to delete a file, you must have write permission in the diretory |
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| 11:47.48 | ram_einstein | I hope I'll enjoy using Debian and I could have never done it without you |
| 11:47.48 | mikeX | : ) |
| 11:47.49 | bbrazil | bizkit: sticky bit set? |
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| 11:47.58 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - can anybody tell me how to disable the appletalk protocol handling app starting on boot? it doesn't appear to have its own init script |
| 11:47.58 | ram_einstein | ... and I hope you're not angry with me |
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| 11:49.06 | bizkit | POVaddct: you were right the subdir was not writable by the group thanks |
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| 11:49.15 | liable | IDC: whats your exact prob, from lastlog, its not really clear. |
| 11:49.25 | icedp | Hi! How do I enable framebuffer via rivafb module, not via vesafb? |
| 11:50.07 | strobo | Is it normal to that checking for bad blocks takes about 1 hour+ for 7000000 blocks!? :) |
| 11:50.15 | strobo | -to |
| 11:50.51 | IDC | liable, someone think its due to the ntfs part in /etc/fstab ,just made change to it,let me reboot to test |
| 11:50.53 | hexxeh|work | icedp, why would you? |
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| 11:51.44 | [sg]admin | hi all |
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| 11:52.14 | mikeX | icedp, well one sure way is to compile a kernel with only rivafb enabled : P |
| 11:52.16 | [sg]admin | what is the best IDS ? |
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| 11:52.27 | [sg]admin | what should i use |
| 11:52.48 | [sg]admin | i have cacti and snort |
| 11:53.14 | [LAC]Hydra | hey, is it possible to use MSN on linux at all, like if I need to communicate with people who only use it... I am not sure what exactly the options for that would be heh |
| 11:53.17 | icedp | helix: i want 100Hz in framebuffer |
| 11:53.31 | mikeX | [LAC]Hydra, yes it is |
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| 11:53.35 | icedp | hexxeh|work: : x: i want 100Hz in framebuffer |
| 11:53.38 | icedp | helix: sorry |
| 11:53.43 | mikeX | [LAC]Hydra, take a look at 'gaim', 'kopete' or 'amsn' |
| 11:53.45 | strobo | how can i skip the checking for bad blocks during install? |
| 11:53.51 | mikeX | [LAC]Hydra, apt-get install any of those |
| 11:54.02 | icedp | mikeX: is there anothet way? |
| 11:54.09 | streuner_ | strobo: that's a bad idea |
| 11:54.21 | mikeX | icedp, i really don't know (never checked ...) |
| 11:54.23 | liable | strobo: by getting a new hard drive ;) |
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| 11:54.28 | hexxeh|work | icedp, it'll break nvidia-glx, if you use it |
| 11:54.38 | termitor_taff | hello , qui peut m'aider sur ldap , |
| 11:54.43 | termitor_taff | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.49 | termitor_taff | j'arrive pas du tous :-( |
| 11:54.53 | liable | !FR |
| 11:54.54 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:54.54 | termitor_taff | meme en lisant les docs |
| 11:54.54 | mikeX | TerminX, #debian-fr? |
| 11:54.59 | streuner_ | !fr |
| 11:54.59 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:55.02 | strobo | streuner_ its checking for the better half on 45minutes.. :D its only a 30g hdd |
| 11:55.10 | icedp | hexxeh|work: i know; i'll use nv |
| 11:55.25 | streuner_ | strobo: so use it, less headaches in future |
| 11:55.31 | termitor_taff | hoppp , sorry <) |
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| 11:55.41 | hexxeh|work | icedp, add "video=rivafb:1024x768-16@100" as a kernel boot parameter. in theory, anyway. |
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| 11:56.12 | icedp | hexxeh|work: ok, i'll try now |
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| 11:56.53 | Epse | test |
| 11:56.58 | strobo | streuner_: roger.. patience :) |
| 11:57.07 | IDC | I can't fix it ..no idea why it says mount error at startup with a long message popping up 3 times |
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| 11:57.22 | liable | IDC: cant mount what? |
| 11:57.39 | IDC | i was checking in /etc/fstab,thinking saying error on mouting something should be related to /etc/fstab however,nothing is wrong there .hmm |
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| 11:57.56 | liable | IDC: explain the whole thing, mounting what? |
| 11:58.23 | IDC | liable, where do i paste it ,i forgot :) |
| 11:58.39 | streuner_ | !flood |
| 11:58.40 | dpkg | Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. Any questions? If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 11:58.40 | IDC | oh wait,let me tape it here cuz i dont find it in system |
| 11:58.43 | liable | IDC: /msg dpkg paste |
| 11:59.27 | IDC | mount: wrong fs type,bad option bad superblock on tmpfs,missing codepage or other error .IN some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 11:59.46 | IDC | it pops up 3 times during booting |
| 11:59.48 | liable | IDC: mounting WHAT |
| 11:59.55 | liable | vfat? |
| 11:59.59 | IDC | no idea,that's what it says,literally |
| 12:00.06 | caphuso | IDC: self compiled kernel? |
| 12:00.12 | IDC | yup |
| 12:00.19 | liable | obviously |
| 12:00.21 | IDC | no such error with the default 2.2.20 kernel |
| 12:00.22 | streuner_ | !lart IDC |
| 12:00.23 | caphuso | you forgot tmpfs support. have fun recompiling |
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| 12:00.41 | IDC | caphuso, oh |
| 12:01.18 | IDC | oh yeah,i do remember i meant to disable tmpfs support in kernel |
| 12:01.20 | IDC | that feature is ...useless ? |
| 12:01.23 | caphuso | alternatively, tell us how sure you are that you're never going to use posix shared memory in any case, then we will tell you how to get rid of those messages |
| 12:01.31 | ongeboren | hi, how do I control wheather a CD gets mounten on insertion in the drive and nautilus gets called ? (this is for gnome, but same question applies for kde) |
| 12:01.56 | JohnnyST | Dose someone know if gnokii is going into sarge? |
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| 12:02.08 | IDC | certainly i do not even know what posix works for :) sorry |
| 12:02.11 | mikeX | ongeboren, for gnome go to Desktop prefs, there is an option there |
| 12:02.35 | mikeX | JohnnyST, sarge is frozen, no more stuff in |
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| 12:02.48 | scar_ | my proftpd opens dynamic ports for the data connection. how can I control that and make it a static or at least a certain range? |
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| 12:03.13 | IDC | caphuso, i think maybe i do not need using poxis shared momory,as long as my current system is working fine ? |
| 12:03.13 | JohnnyST | mikeX, it was avalible in woody I think.. |
| 12:03.32 | IDC | "/s/poxis/posix" |
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| 12:04.00 | ongeboren | mikeX, wow.. thanks, never seen it before.. and for kde ? |
| 12:04.01 | caphuso | IDC: do you actually know what it is? |
| 12:04.06 | JohnnyST | mikeX, there was a licence issue that is fixed now. |
| 12:04.09 | mikeX | ongeboren, no idea : ) |
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| 12:04.35 | kamela | . |
| 12:04.36 | mikeX | JohnnyST, I 'm not aware of the application, just of the fact that sarge is frozen : ( |
| 12:04.42 | IDC | caphuso, i have only seen 'posix' with doing 'locale' from the output |
| 12:04.59 | [sg]admin | how can i use sim on sarge |
| 12:05.02 | IDC | I thought it's codepage something |
| 12:05.04 | [sg]admin | there is no installation package |
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| 12:05.21 | JohnnyST | mikeX, Yes I know time will tell what happens ;) one can always use the deb's from sid.. |
| 12:05.22 | luulis | IDC: why not just use a debian packaged kernel image? |
| 12:05.28 | mikeX | JohnnyST, if it's only a license issue you should be able to install the sid package on sarge easily |
| 12:05.39 | JohnnyST | mikeX, Yes.. |
| 12:05.54 | caphuso | IDC: it's a lot more than that |
| 12:06.19 | IDC | luulis, i always recompile kernel by myself ,yeah,this time i was desired to having a small kernel ,i might be missing something in doing it though |
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| 12:07.43 | IDC | caphuso, what would you suggest me to do ? recompile kernel to add it or go to the alternate way to get rid of the error message |
| 12:08.01 | caphuso | IDC: given the choice between you, who doesn't know what it is, and the debian maintainers, who do know it and think it's important enough to be turned on by default, which side should you take? |
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| 12:08.40 | zophyx | does anyone else feel that the freezing of sarge is an encroachment upon the freedom embodied in free software ? |
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| 12:09.14 | tarzeau | zophyx: why? |
| 12:09.18 | IDC | caphuso, okay,i am going to recompile kernel :) |
| 12:09.22 | zophyx | Penix: hi hi |
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| 12:10.54 | luulis | IDC: do you want a kernel that is small and has really no benefit over debian packaged kernels and that isnt probably working properly/isnt supporting all devices etc. or a kernel that supports mostly anything and works? |
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| 12:10.57 | luulis | !debian kernel image |
| 12:10.57 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 12:11.18 | liable | IDC: file system- psuedo- virtual memory maybe |
| 12:11.24 | IDC | luulis, well,i meant to disable serials support in kernel even i have them in physically,but i never would gonna use it,yeah size is a matter :) |
| 12:11.45 | zophyx | i see... debian kernel images cure idiocy |
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| 12:12.38 | IDC | liable, i am new to linux,thanks ..i will learn |
| 12:12.41 | mikeX | : O |
| 12:12.58 | mikeX | nothing wrong with experimenting : ) |
| 12:13.20 | tarzeau | i want to see the people who build mach and kfreebsd kernels on their own |
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| 12:13.48 | liable | IDC: really, if theres no need, ie, patches for a certain feature, then use a debian image |
| 12:13.48 | krystalino | what is the advantage of NTPL ? |
| 12:13.48 | mikeX | i compile custom kernels... can't say i know what I'm doing or that 'll do it on a critical system, but it's fun : ) |
| 12:14.01 | tarzeau | !ntpl |
| 12:14.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntpl is the Native Posix Thread Library |
| 12:14.18 | kamela | shouldnt it be nptl not ntpl? |
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| 12:14.34 | krystalino | s/NPTL ? |
| 12:14.36 | liable | mikeX: yep, its no big deal, but it sucks here when you get a thousand questions, why it wont work |
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| 12:14.41 | tarzeau | !nptl |
| 12:14.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nptl is Native Posix Threading Library http://ijuz.uugrn.org/nptl-0.60-0/ |
| 12:14.53 | kamela | lol |
| 12:15.00 | kamela | !spelling |
| 12:15.00 | dpkg | somebody said spelling was best dealt with in a qualitative sense. "It's a poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word.", or what Ambrose Bierce said anyway |
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| 12:15.19 | UnreA|L | how install font ? |
| 12:15.22 | zophyx | i argee |
| 12:15.23 | mikeX | liable, well yeah that can be troublesome : ) |
| 12:15.28 | tarzeau | UnreA|L: what font? what system? |
| 12:15.45 | streuner_ | UnreA|L: /msg dpkg ttf xf4 |
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| 12:16.00 | tarzeau | streuner_: it's different for GNUstep |
| 12:16.10 | streuner_ | tarzeau: hehe :-) |
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| 12:17.25 | UnreA|L | Fonts is like mac os x, system ubuntu |
| 12:17.25 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 12:17.25 | liable | UnreA|L: #ubuntu |
| 12:17.25 | jethro | !ubuntusmite UnreA|L |
| 12:17.35 | UnreA|L | ok |
| 12:17.36 | tarzeau | streuner_: they can not talk? |
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| 12:17.54 | streuner_ | tarzeau: i couldn't imagine how hard sometimes the reality is ... ;-) |
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| 12:18.05 | Spods | hello |
| 12:18.56 | Spods | i moved to 2.6.8-13 last night in sarge, but now my mouse wont work. however i dont get any error msgs |
| 12:19.14 | tarzeau | usb? ps/2? serial? |
| 12:19.16 | liable | Spods: from what kernel? |
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| 12:19.25 | Spods | imps2 |
| 12:19.27 | tarzeau | !faq |
| 12:19.27 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:19.27 | kamela | it's 2.6.8, no one listens to me when I tell them that kernel is evil incarnate |
| 12:19.45 | Spods | liable: 2.6.8-13-686-smp |
| 12:19.52 | IDC | kamela, what do you mean ? |
| 12:20.05 | Spods | kamela:preaching to the converted here :) |
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| 12:20.14 | liable | Spods: yes, what was the old kernel? |
| 12:20.17 | kamela | it's evil, it hates me. the ati-ixp drivers are broken, it has acpi quirkyness |
| 12:20.38 | kamela | it segfaults completely on boot on my laptop |
| 12:20.39 | IDC | kamela, acpi works fine here in 2.6.8.11 hmm |
| 12:20.45 | Spods | liable: 2.4.24 or.26. i rolled it myself |
| 12:21.03 | kamela | it works it just like to drop out and throw kernel errors for minutes at a time on occasion |
| 12:21.11 | liable | !2.6 usb-mouse |
| 12:21.18 | icedp | hexxeh|work: your bootparam doesn't work |
| 12:21.29 | liable | !usb-mouse |
| 12:21.30 | kamela | though i get that with all the 2.6 kernels now, and only on my laptop |
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| 12:21.41 | kamela | still, 2.6.8 is evil I tell you! evil! |
| 12:21.42 | liable | bah shit |
| 12:21.46 | hexxeh|work | icedp, i said in theory. |
| 12:21.47 | Spods | hehe |
| 12:21.49 | IDC | kamela, yeah...unlucky you,true i have heard the 2.6.8x did/does have some issues somehow |
| 12:22.01 | tarzeau | kamela: hehe :) |
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| 12:22.32 | kamela | *spleen |
| 12:22.37 | kamela | ahh! my spleen! |
| 12:22.40 | Spods | here's what i do get from dmesg: |
| 12:22.55 | liable | !2.6 mouse |
| 12:22.56 | dpkg | 2.6 mouse is, like, modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
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| 12:24.10 | Spods | mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 12:24.19 | Spods | then nothing else about it during the boot process |
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| 12:24.28 | IDC | Spods, did you try just using PS/2 ? |
| 12:24.39 | nazgul | akima:~# aptitude install webmin |
| 12:24.39 | nazgul | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.39 | nazgul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:24.52 | Spods | IDC: ahh no actually. lemme try now |
| 12:24.53 | hexxeh|work | !info libauthen-pam-perl |
| 12:24.56 | dpkg | libauthen-pam-perl: (This module provides a Perl interface to the PAM library), section perl, is optional. Version: 0.15-1 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 12:25.08 | nazgul | (Woody) |
| 12:25.12 | pfortuny | !sis630 |
| 12:25.21 | hexxeh|work | !info libauthen-pam-perl woody |
| 12:25.24 | dpkg | libauthen-pam-perl: (This module provides a Perl interface to the PAM library.), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 0.12-2 (woody), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 12:25.30 | swatikiss | i want to reinstall the java jdk the "debian" way ~ how can I (or should i) remove the previous installation from the java binary ? |
| 12:26.02 | hexxeh|work | swatikiss, read the sun java manuals for how to uninstall. debian way is install java-package, and run mpkg-j2se on a sun.com .bin |
| 12:26.20 | swatikiss | thanks - ill look for the java manuals |
| 12:26.20 | swatikiss | - online ? |
| 12:26.24 | Spods | IDC: nope that didn't work either |
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| 12:26.54 | IDC | Spods, hmm |
| 12:27.04 | liable | Spods: did you folow the factoid? |
| 12:27.06 | Spods | i found this to be a little strange, gpm wont give me a cursor, X does (it's looking at /dev/gpmdata) but wont move |
| 12:27.07 | nazgul | hexxeh|work, is the mirror I use broken? ftp.de.debian.org |
| 12:27.07 | IDC | Spods, on woody ? |
| 12:27.18 | hexxeh|work | nazgul, no idea |
| 12:27.22 | andax | i have an Adaptec1200A ata raid card, but I can't find a module in the kernel configuration (2.4.28), is this card supported on linux? |
| 12:27.22 | Spods | IDC: sarge |
| 12:27.31 | Spods | liable: i look at it now |
| 12:27.32 | streuner_ | nazgul: /j #flood |
| 12:27.35 | IDC | shrugs..no idea |
| 12:27.37 | nazgul | helix, because ist says "not installable" |
| 12:27.38 | andax | i don't need the raid function only the disks one bye one |
| 12:28.29 | streuner_ | nazgul: go to #flood and show us your sources.list |
| 12:28.36 | liable | nazgul: I would think it'd guve an error other th |
| 12:28.43 | liable | woops |
| 12:28.51 | liable | that |
| 12:28.55 | hexxeh|work | andax, what chip does it use? |
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| 12:29.02 | streuner_ | !info libauthen-pam-perl woody |
| 12:29.04 | dpkg | libauthen-pam-perl: (This module provides a Perl interface to the PAM library.), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 0.12-2 (woody), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 12:29.10 | Spods | liable: "modprobe psmouse" got it. how come the kernel wouldn't recognise that and auto install the module? |
| 12:29.31 | andax | hexxeh|work: generally that is the question :) i dont have it here yet but it will be delivered in an hour so the kernel must be ready to support it |
| 12:29.33 | liable | Spods: got discover installed? |
| 12:29.51 | andax | i tried google but no luck |
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| 12:30.09 | Spods | liable: I'm going to have to say no, cause I don't know what it is. is it debian's equivalent to kudzu? |
| 12:30.24 | Spods | or whatever the redhat util is |
| 12:30.40 | liable | Spods: dpkg -L discover |
| 12:30.42 | hexxeh|work | Spods, similar |
| 12:30.51 | Spods | installing discover now |
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| 12:31.04 | liable | Spods: or discover1 |
| 12:31.04 | Spods | fair enuff |
| 12:31.05 | mirak | I have this device : http://www.usbgear.com/usa/USB_Monitors_and_KVM.html , how can I know what module I must load ? |
| 12:31.22 | tarzeau | i can't wait the day when people use yast on debian and ask questions about it here |
| 12:31.43 | liable | mirak: cant mount it? |
| 12:32.08 | mirak | liable: no usb seems broken |
| 12:32.13 | liable | tarzeau: yast on debian? eeeew |
| 12:32.24 | hexxeh|work | andax, highpoint-based card. |
| 12:32.27 | guru | what are the differences between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 12:32.28 | mirak | liable: but I want to know what module it uses anyway. I know the vendor and device id |
| 12:32.29 | tarzeau | liable: disgusting, isn't it. but some people really believe it is good and stuff |
| 12:32.35 | liable | mirak: whats it say in dmesg? |
| 12:32.37 | mirak | liable: they are listed in usb.id |
| 12:32.41 | andax | hexxeh|work thanks! |
| 12:32.52 | liable | mirak: camera? |
| 12:32.55 | mirak | liable: lspci says that at least : Bus 002 Device 008: ID 0573:0003 Zoran Co. Personal Media Division (Nogatech) USBGear USBG-V1 |
| 12:33.10 | mirak | liable: a camera asimilated yes. It's a capture card |
| 12:33.17 | mirak | for video |
| 12:33.40 | liable | mirak: ooh, via a serial converter? |
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| 12:34.11 | mirak | liable: no, it's an usb device |
| 12:34.36 | mirak | unless you mean usb with serial |
| 12:34.52 | Phated | IDC: NP. |
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| 12:35.22 | liable | mirak: only thing else i can think of is gphoto2 |
| 12:35.35 | mirak | usb 2-1.7: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 8 |
| 12:35.41 | mirak | liable: ok I will try that |
| 12:35.57 | liable | mirak: see if its supported with that |
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| 12:35.59 | evl | I've tried scheduling a cron job to run every friday at 12:00, however nothing happens, this is my cron.d/notifyall entry: "0 12 * * 7 myuser echo "foo" | mail -s "bar" everyone@domain.com |
| 12:36.00 | mirak | FATAL: Module gphoto2 not found. |
| 12:36.10 | thomas_adam | mirak: It's a program. |
| 12:36.26 | liable | mirak: its an app, apt-get install gphoto2 |
| 12:36.40 | tarzeau | mirak: also try camera.app |
| 12:36.44 | gass | any news on security updates for sarge? |
| 12:36.50 | tarzeau | gass: yes |
| 12:36.52 | mirak | tarzeau: what is it ? |
| 12:36.55 | liable | mirak: first google it, to see if compatible |
| 12:36.56 | thomas_adam | evl: Setting it for dead on 12 is a bad thing, if you use ntp for time updates, as cron could skew. Set it as 03 12 ..... etc. |
| 12:37.13 | tarzeau | mirak: gui frontend to gphoto2 library |
| 12:37.32 | liable | gass: werent you asking about this earlier? |
| 12:37.38 | mirak | but if no modules are loaded, how will it use it ? |
| 12:37.40 | gass | tarzeau: yes |
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| 12:37.53 | gass | tarzeau: this morning security.debian.org for sarge was empty |
| 12:37.57 | thomas_adam | evl: Also you'd need to do: echo "foo | mail -s \"bar\"" as well, if I take that literally. |
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| 12:38.28 | gass | tarzeau: (this morning for me) |
| 12:38.37 | gass | 4 hours ago |
| 12:38.48 | evl | thomas_adam: any way to test_drive that cron entry? |
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| 12:39.01 | thomas_adam | evl: Set it to run in a minutes time? |
| 12:39.02 | gass | any troubles on updating mozilla-thunderbird? postinstall errors? |
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| 12:39.15 | goron | I have troubles getting my nvidia driver to work. It says: Screens, found, but no suitable configuration. Fatal:No screens found. In the log is (EE) Nvidia driver failed to initialize. |
| 12:39.26 | liable | gass: try it, and let us know :) |
| 12:39.28 | thomas_adam | goron: /msg dpkg noscreensfound |
| 12:39.45 | gass | liable: the mozilla-thunderbird errors? |
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| 12:40.27 | zophyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.31 | mirak | liable: ok I think I have found it :D |
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| 12:41.35 | goron | thomas_adam: Tnx, but what does dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 do? |
| 12:41.50 | evl | thomas_adam: "day of week 0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names)" <- gotcha :D |
| 12:42.15 | thomas_adam | evl: *shrug* - maybe that is what you wanted? |
| 12:42.26 | evl | thomas_adam: wanted friday :P |
| 12:42.44 | thomas_adam | evl: You can use 'fri' as well. |
| 12:42.56 | evl | thomas_adam: thanks |
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| 12:43.11 | thomas_adam | goron: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 12:43.30 | thomas_adam | goron: Then follow some other factoids. |
| 12:43.42 | hexxeh|work | goron, how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 12:43.53 | thomas_adam | hexxeh|work: Fluke. |
| 12:43.56 | goron | From nvidia.com |
| 12:44.00 | thomas_adam | Gah. |
| 12:44.03 | hexxeh|work | goron, no support here |
| 12:44.05 | Maliuta | modprobe? |
| 12:44.06 | thomas_adam | goron: That's a no no. |
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| 12:44.11 | hexxeh|work | !tell goron about nvidia-installer |
| 12:44.15 | hexxeh|work | !tell goron about why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 12:44.26 | hexxeh|work | !tell goron about non-free sources |
| 12:44.31 | goron | I already know all this stuff. |
| 12:44.31 | hexxeh|work | !tell goron about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:44.32 | thomas_adam | hexxeh|work: Stop that. |
| 12:44.36 | goron | hexxeh|work: Please stop |
| 12:44.47 | Maliuta | or at least use /msg |
| 12:44.48 | thomas_adam | hexxeh|work: He could just follow the 'nvidia' factoid, as that has the relevant pointers in it. |
| 12:45.08 | liable | goron: well, pay attention to the factoids |
| 12:45.15 | goron | hexxeh|work: But I already know that stuff, and it doesn't work. |
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| 12:45.23 | thomas_adam | goron: It does work, if you follow it. |
| 12:45.26 | hexxeh|work | goron, yes, it does. |
| 12:45.53 | goron | thomas_adam: Perhaps @ your location, not at mine. |
| 12:46.02 | thomas_adam | I can't help stupidity. |
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| 12:46.09 | hexxeh|work | PEBCAK |
| 12:46.20 | liable | ?? |
| 12:46.47 | liable | !pebcak |
| 12:46.47 | dpkg | methinks pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 12:46.47 | hexxeh|work | or, preferably, "sounds like a pinkware bug" |
| 12:46.51 | tarzeau | bob2: how many times do you use a boomerang per day? |
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| 12:49.22 | liable | Spods: dude, dont log in as root ffs |
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| 12:50.00 | tarzeau | i wonder if they still use boomerangs, Spods |
| 12:50.08 | liable | Spods: dude, dont log in as root ffs |
| 12:50.12 | thomas_adam | tarzeau: They never come back. |
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| 12:50.24 | liable | tarzeau: of course cobber :) |
| 12:50.32 | Spods | yeah, sorry. that was my bad. loaded ircii in the wrong virtual console :) |
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| 12:50.38 | hexxeh|work | i see goron left. i knew the answer to his problem, as it happens, but i'm not condoning use of nvidia-installer by teling him |
| 12:50.49 | liable | Spods: your 0wned :) |
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| 12:50.59 | Spods | tarzeau: who still uses boomerang? |
| 12:51.07 | tarzeau | Spods: .au |
| 12:51.14 | tarzeau | liable: to hunt what? |
| 12:51.23 | Spods | liable: sadly not the first time :) d'oh |
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| 12:51.43 | liable | tarzeau: whatever we want of course :) |
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| 12:52.21 | Jozxyqk | hello i have a question about debian and bitchx |
| 12:52.27 | Spods | tarzeau: yep, i still ride a kangaroo to work |
| 12:52.30 | tarzeau | !tell Jozxyqk about ask |
| 12:52.40 | tarzeau | Spods: photos? |
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| 12:53.00 | Jozxyqk | when i try to connect to sorcery.net with bitchx in debian, i get connection errors |
| 12:53.02 | Spods | tarzeau: i generally can't hold the camera straight while it's happening ;) |
| 12:53.07 | spire | How do I find out which debian package contains a given file? |
| 12:53.09 | liable | tarzeau: manely, kangaroos, wallbies. goannas, echidnas and cows :) |
| 12:53.32 | hexxeh|work | what about tasmanian devils? |
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| 12:53.42 | Jozxyqk | -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.sorcery.net [refnum 0] |
| 12:53.42 | Jozxyqk | -:- Connection closed from irc.sorcery.net: Success |
| 12:53.42 | Jozxyqk | -:- BitchX: Servers exhausted. Restarting. |
| 12:53.48 | Jozxyqk | i get this series of 3 lines over and over and over |
| 12:53.55 | liable | hexxeh|work: nah, they bite |
| 12:53.58 | Jozxyqk | no matter which sorcery.net server and port i choose |
| 12:54.00 | Spods | liable: i rebooted, discover isn't automatically doing a "modprobe psmouse" |
| 12:54.03 | Jozxyqk | but bitchx works fine to other networks |
| 12:54.06 | tarzeau | Spods: here's one for you: http://www.kookaburragame.com/kangaroo_costume/kangarooCostume062.jpg |
| 12:54.18 | hexxeh|work | the packages are actually discover1 and hotplug |
| 12:54.24 | liable | Spods: add the module to modules.conf |
| 12:54.27 | Spods | jpg |
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| 12:55.10 | typo | anyone know why I can't get a debian install cd to boot with "root=/dev/hda1"? |
| 12:55.13 | IDC | caphuso, Thanks, with this brand new kernel,problem has gone :) |
| 12:55.22 | Jozxyqk | i have spoken to other bitchx users, who don't use debian, and they have no problems connecting to sorcery.net. what is specific about debian's build of bitchx that wont allow it to connect to sorcerynet? |
| 12:55.43 | Spods | liable: there's a /etc/modules and a /etc/modules.conf |
| 12:55.49 | hexxeh|work | Jozxyqk, which version of debian? last i checked, bitchx had been removed |
| 12:55.56 | Jozxyqk | im using sarge |
| 12:56.05 | liable | Spods: modules |
| 12:56.11 | IDC | typo, where is the root partition ? |
| 12:56.11 | hexxeh|work | Jozxyqk, specifically, it's been removed from sarge for being insecure |
| 12:56.12 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: why should it be removed? |
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| 12:56.26 | Jozxyqk | hexxeh - removed or not, that doesnt answer my question |
| 12:56.29 | liable | IDC: what? |
| 12:56.30 | hexxeh|work | !why is bitchx not in testing |
| 12:56.31 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
| 12:56.33 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: still there: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=bitchx |
| 12:56.40 | IDC | liable, ? |
| 12:56.51 | liable | IDC: what? |
| 12:56.51 | Jozxyqk | bitchx *is* in testing though because i did install it :) |
| 12:57.16 | IDC | liable, excuse me ? wrong person ? |
| 12:57.16 | liable | IDC: where is the root partition? |
| 12:57.20 | IDC | yeah |
| 12:57.33 | IDC | root=/dev/hdax here x is the linux root partition right |
| 12:57.34 | Jozxyqk | i can connect to sorcerynet servers perfectly fine with ircii.. but with bitchx i get that error |
| 12:57.46 | IDC | typo, said he cant get it work so i was reminding him/her about it |
| 12:57.49 | Jozxyqk | a google search reveals no help (or at least no help in a language i can read) |
| 12:57.52 | liable | IDC: fdisk -l |
| 12:57.53 | Spods | laible: should i remark mousedev out and put psmouse in it's place, or do both need to be present? |
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| 12:58.13 | IDC | liable, but he is outta the system how to run fdisk ? |
| 12:58.13 | typo | IDC: it's in /dev/hda1 |
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| 12:58.33 | liable | IDC: sorry, thought was your prob |
| 12:58.37 | Jozxyqk | i am not dying to use bitchx, but i would like to figure out what the problem is if i could |
| 12:58.40 | IDC | :) |
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| 12:59.00 | IDC | typo, then thats strange,any error mesage ? |
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| 12:59.36 | typo | IDC: it panicks not being able to mount root |
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| 12:59.44 | typo | IDC: don't know the exact message |
| 12:59.52 | typo | IDC: I'm trying to make a grub boot cd instead |
| 13:00.05 | IDC | typo, i ever got a 'LI' at boot so i restart from debian install CD at the prompt typed in root=/dev/hda3 ,enter,no problem logging in system |
| 13:00.06 | ignotus | hello, what is the simplest easiest way to install an mp3 encoder onto my Debian system? |
| 13:00.08 | Jozxyqk | oh well, i will continue my search elsewhere.. thank you |
| 13:00.24 | Seven_Six_Two | I spend most of the night setting up a fresh net install of sarge with jfs partitions, and after just 2 boots and a failed dvd burn, I got a crash and grub is giving me error 17... |
| 13:00.37 | jethro | whatr's this sorcery.net ? |
| 13:00.56 | IDC | typo, sorry,know nothing about grub |
| 13:01.25 | typo | IDC: right, I've done that before as well and was hoping it would work. No such luck |
| 13:01.25 | Spods | tarzeau: that's not bad |
| 13:01.46 | Seven_Six_Two | that is a new record for me. usually it takes me a few days to crash. the error means grub doesn't know what fs my / is |
| 13:01.52 | Spods | brb, just going to move out of the vconsole and in to konsole |
| 13:01.54 | typo | IDC: this grub boot cd will probably do the trick |
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| 13:02.27 | IDC | typo, no idea,know nothing about grub |
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| 13:03.37 | Spods | liable: i forgot to scroll back for a reply, was I to keep mousedev in /etc/modules or was i to replace it with just psmouse |
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| 13:03.58 | NmeA|Boa | Hi folks, what would i do to install java on debian? |
| 13:04.07 | tarzeau | !java |
| 13:04.07 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
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| 13:04.18 | NmeA|Boa | !java |
| 13:04.19 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 13:04.21 | scar_ | is it possible to access from a WinXP computer a XServer and start a graphical session, like it would been locally over a LAN ? |
| 13:04.33 | tarzeau | scar_: yes |
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| 13:04.45 | tarzeau | scar_: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 13:04.49 | liable | Spods: try dpkg-reconfigure xfreee-xserver86 |
| 13:04.58 | NmeA|Boa | run nowhere |
| 13:05.02 | NmeA|Boa | ? |
| 13:05.06 | jethro | stupid bitchx |
| 13:05.14 | hexxeh|work | scar_, as long as you have a windows x server installed, e.g. cygwin |
| 13:05.16 | jethro | not falling back to v4 when v6 ain't available |
| 13:05.29 | jethro | !lart bitchx |
| 13:05.35 | jethro | good point dpkg |
| 13:05.51 | Spods | liable: okay... |
| 13:05.59 | liable | Spods: read the factoid, it says what to do. |
| 13:06.40 | liable | Spods: never actually done it, but trust dpkg :) |
| 13:07.04 | Spods | what was it, !usbmouse or something? |
| 13:07.10 | Spods | !mouse |
| 13:07.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. |
| 13:07.23 | Spods | !usbmouse |
| 13:07.23 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 13:07.51 | Spods | !psmouse |
| 13:07.56 | liable | !tell Spods about 2.6 mouse |
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| 13:08.09 | Spods | thanks |
| 13:08.28 | liable | np :) |
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| 13:10.51 | pingouin_ | sarge for the end of the month ?! |
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| 13:11.02 | garung | hey how do we uninstall wxWidgets? |
| 13:11.04 | hexxeh|work | correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't psmouse and the like obsolete and disrecommended in the kernel documentation? "usbhid" is the single module to manage all Human Interface Device-compatible input stuff, on 2.6 |
| 13:11.06 | liable | pingouin_: /topic |
| 13:11.08 | streuner_ | pingouin_: wir |
| 13:11.27 | pingouin_ | streuner_: World In Red ? |
| 13:11.35 | hexxeh|work | !wir |
| 13:11.35 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 13:11.35 | streuner_ | !wir |
| 13:11.56 | pingouin_ | my english to bad that's why i ask : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html |
| 13:12.21 | Coke | Is there some module that can limit the number of posts from the same client IP to X per minute? I wish to make sure that all the web applications will not be flooded with posts. |
| 13:12.58 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 13:13.01 | garung | how do we uninstall wxWidgets 2.4 people? i cound't find it |
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| 13:13.38 | positrix | garung: i am assuming you've already tried apt-get remove wxWidgets... |
| 13:13.39 | Coke | garung: you can remove packages with apt-get remove <package name> |
| 13:13.45 | mwilson | hexxeh|work: When did a PS/2 mouse become a USB HID device? |
| 13:14.11 | garung | yeah i did it positrix |
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| 13:14.20 | Coke | garung: you need to have a REAL package name |
| 13:15.04 | garung | i dont know the real name for it |
| 13:15.09 | deb_it_ | i'm trying to install modules of my netcard with modconf, but it fails, what can I do ? |
| 13:15.31 | Coke | garung: you need to find out. there are several variants of wx. |
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| 13:15.37 | positrix | whouldn't apt-get remove *wxWidget* work? |
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| 13:15.56 | garung | positrix, nope |
| 13:16.00 | Coke | positrix: NO |
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| 13:16.14 | spire | How do I find out which debian package contains a given file? |
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| 13:16.25 | Coke | spire: apt-file search <filename> |
| 13:16.35 | js_ | spire: dpkg -S file |
| 13:16.40 | hexxeh|work | mwilson, <Spods> !usbmouse |
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| 13:16.57 | spire | thnx |
| 13:16.57 | Coke | spire: what js said works if you know you have that package installed. |
| 13:17.11 | Coke | spire: apt-file works on packages you haven't installed too |
| 13:17.16 | Spods | hexxeh: i was randomly trying stuff, i actually have a ps/2 |
| 13:17.22 | liable | deb_it_: maybe it fails, cause you dont have the modules installed? |
| 13:17.30 | mwilson | hexxeh|work: So? |
| 13:17.42 | deb_it_ | liable, it is what i am trying to do, to install the modules |
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| 13:17.56 | liable | deb_it_: what card |
| 13:18.00 | hexxeh|work | never mind, i have better things to wate my time on than you |
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| 13:18.18 | liable | deb_it_: modconf configures not installs |
| 13:18.24 | deb_it_ | liable intel pro 100. i think it is eepro100 |
| 13:18.40 | deb_it_ | liable, then config fails |
| 13:18.47 | spire | I want java support in firefox. Which debian package provides such java support? |
| 13:19.06 | liable | deb_it_: you using debian? |
| 13:19.07 | mosty | spire: use java-package to build the sun jre/jdk into a .deb |
| 13:19.10 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, some recent intel pro 100s are unsupported by eepro100, and need e100 instead. my own motherboard's onboard intel comes into that category |
| 13:19.16 | deb_it_ | liable, yes, fisrt install |
| 13:19.35 | liable | deb_it_: lsmod |
| 13:19.35 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, ok, tryin git |
| 13:19.47 | mwilson | spire: None. |
| 13:20.11 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, is it eepro? |
| 13:20.18 | spire | So the solution is to download it from sun and install it manually? |
| 13:20.24 | Anders1 | uh, i made a small script which installs the original firefox art instead of the art which comes with Debian, anyone who would like to try it? |
| 13:20.33 | Anders1 | i mean the firefox logo etc :) |
| 13:20.52 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, no, e100, which is not found in the 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 kernels in debian 3.0. i don't KNOW whether your card is unsupoprted by eepro100, but i know my intel pro 100 VE isn't |
| 13:20.59 | deb_it_ | liable, not many things with lsmod |
| 13:21.20 | liable | deb_it_: lspci then |
| 13:21.28 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, it is exactly what it have. intel pro 100 VE |
| 13:21.56 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, and if 2.4.18 doesn't have it, how can i install it? |
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| 13:22.27 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, well then. if you want to use debian 3.0, you need to either source a newer kernel (2.4.21 or newer i think), or, well, that's about it for options. or you could use debian 3.1 instead |
| 13:22.34 | deb_it_ | liable, network controller unknown devide... |
| 13:22.38 | Spods | anyone know of a window manager, that has a NeXT feel to it, but has two menu bars instead of one. I'm using xfce, but to get two seperate panels, it looks like i have to run two seperate instances of the panel with two different config files. that's seems a little inelligant |
| 13:22.42 | lestest | hi there ... what do guys think about installing sarge over PPro machines? |
| 13:22.49 | liable | deb_it_: newer kernel, dude |
| 13:22.56 | hexxeh|work | lestest, get to it. hurry hurry. |
| 13:23.03 | liable | deb_it_: woody? |
| 13:23.06 | smhar | mosty, I found this googling around.. didn't try it myself |
| 13:23.07 | deb_it_ | liable, yes |
| 13:23.16 | liable | deb_it_: server? |
| 13:23.21 | lestest | hexxeh|work? |
| 13:23.22 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, can i download it? |
| 13:23.42 | deb_it_ | liable, not connected so no server... |
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| 13:23.54 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, the question is "is it a server or a desktop" |
| 13:24.04 | liable | deb_it_: ya |
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| 13:24.16 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, desktop |
| 13:24.21 | hexxeh|work | !d-i deb_it_ |
| 13:24.21 | dpkg | deb_it_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:24.36 | liable | deb_it_: and if it is a server, you need a newer kernel |
| 13:25.05 | garung | g++: compilation of header file requested |
| 13:25.05 | garung | make: *** [.pch/wxprec_basedll/wx/wxprec.h.gch] Error 1 |
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| 13:25.10 | garung | how can i fix it :D |
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| 13:26.03 | hexxeh|work | is that all the output? |
| 13:26.17 | garung | yeah |
| 13:26.53 | hexxeh|work | when are you getting the message? |
| 13:27.24 | garung | when i do make |
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| 13:28.20 | liable | garung: apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:28.33 | garung | oh |
| 13:28.35 | garung | :D |
| 13:28.39 | hexxeh|work | garung, what are you making? |
| 13:28.48 | luulis | Spods: windowmaker is probably the one you want, the debian package is called wmaker, it looks similar to NeXTStep GUI |
| 13:28.54 | garung | wxGTK-2.6.0 |
| 13:28.58 | pzn | Hi! is there any command with dpkg or apt-get that tells it to compare files against /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg-name.md5sums? I need to restore a system that ftp is unstable after a HD failure (changed HD, now its new)... |
| 13:29.07 | mohohaha | just use fluxbox |
| 13:29.34 | liable | bah, kde |
| 13:29.44 | garung | same crap liable |
| 13:30.07 | bbrazil | pzn: debsums |
| 13:30.46 | liable | garung: ahh, your xwidgets |
| 13:31.17 | garung | i still have the old version? |
| 13:31.22 | hexxeh|work | garung, does 2.5.3 not do the job? |
| 13:31.30 | Licker | anyone know of a FREE admins panal kinda like cPanal? |
| 13:31.37 | Spods | luulis: i've looked at that before, i get put off everytime i look at the config file for it... |
| 13:31.37 | garung | hexxeh|work, nope |
| 13:31.58 | liable | garung: how did you install it? |
| 13:32.09 | Spods | luulis: is it easy enough to get two docks running on both the right and bottom portions of the screen? |
| 13:32.09 | liable | garung: from source? |
| 13:32.13 | garung | yeah |
| 13:32.38 | liable | garung: does it have an uninstall script |
| 13:33.02 | garung | oh you meant how i installed xwidgets? |
| 13:33.13 | liable | garung:yes |
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| 13:33.26 | garung | oh i installed it from apt-get |
| 13:33.33 | liable | oh |
| 13:33.36 | garung | ya |
| 13:33.48 | deb_it_ | what version of XFree86 is ther ein sid? |
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| 13:34.04 | drac | deb_it_: 4.3.0.1 |
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| 13:34.29 | garung | how do i remove it liable ? i coundnt find the right package name for it |
| 13:34.40 | Coke | garung: what wx package did you install? |
| 13:34.40 | deb_it_ | how can i install a version greater than 4.4.99.12 ? |
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| 13:34.59 | garung | wxGTK-2.6.0 |
| 13:35.01 | ghg | like thisughsdadai;gftou8er;adjfzsd |
| 13:35.10 | liable | garung: so what are you compling now |
| 13:35.13 | Coke | garung: no, there is no such package |
| 13:35.34 | drac | deb_it_: at your own risk, /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 13:35.51 | mwilson | deb_it_: Where did you get the 4.4.99.12 version? |
| 13:35.58 | garung | i'm compiling wxGTK-2.6.0 and wxWidgets-2.6.0 |
| 13:36.06 | ghg | hey someone but a virus on my network |
| 13:36.08 | garung | from source |
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| 13:36.44 | deb_it_ | mwilson, i found a site where is written that i need that to have a resolution 1400x1050 on my laptop |
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| 13:36.52 | asg | ghg: then find that someone and whack 'em with a big stick |
| 13:37.06 | mwilson | deb_it_: But that's not what I asked you. |
| 13:37.09 | Coke | garung: so why are you talking about packages? |
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| 13:37.40 | deb_it_ | mwilson, i didn't get it... i read in a site that i need that |
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| 13:37.49 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, you don't need xfree86 4.5 to use that resolution. a housemate used to run woody with that resolution. |
| 13:37.49 | Coke | garung: if you install from sources you are on your own, the package utilities won't know about it |
| 13:38.04 | liable | garung: HOW did you install it to start with |
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| 13:38.40 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, for sure with sarge and te default XFree86 i can reach just 1024x768 |
| 13:38.49 | mohohaha | is it possible to downgrade from sid to sarge? |
| 13:39.06 | pzn | bbrazil, thanks. it worked! |
| 13:39.06 | garung | hey it's compiling lol |
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| 13:39.14 | garung | didn't install apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:39.21 | garung | thanks liable |
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| 13:39.51 | liable | hmm |
| 13:39.57 | garung | :D |
| 13:40.14 | luca | hello all. to use the gcc3.4 instead of the 3.3, do i need to simply change the symbolic link in /usr/bin ? and is it true that gcc3.3 is very buggy? |
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| 13:40.33 | mwilson | luca: No and no. |
| 13:40.46 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, i'm going out of my way on this, and obtaining a valid xf86config-4 for that resolution from my associate |
| 13:40.58 | hexxeh|work | luca, yes and no, in that order |
| 13:41.03 | bbrazil | pzn: not all packages have md5s though |
| 13:41.08 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, doesn't it depends on the videocard i have also? |
| 13:41.13 | luca | well, "no and no", or "yes and no"? |
| 13:41.25 | hexxeh|work | luca, well. in theory you can use CC as an environment variable, but many many apps use different ways of picking a c compiler |
| 13:41.26 | drac | luca: yes, at your own risk. and no. |
| 13:41.26 | liable | luca: yes and no |
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| 13:41.51 | mwilson | luca: Leave the symlink alone, please. If you think you need to use gcc 3.4, simply use it. It has a name, you can run it like any other binary. |
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| 13:42.22 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, can youhave a look at this? http://asl.epfl.ch/~kolski/d505.html |
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| 13:42.28 | luca | mwilson: it is some other apps that runs the gcc directly, maybe i could override it by dealing with environment vars |
| 13:42.49 | Guider | Could somebody help with a smbclient -M problem? |
| 13:42.51 | mwilson | luca: What application is it that you think runs gcc directly? |
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| 13:43.16 | typo | what's the devfs name for /dev/hda1? |
| 13:43.17 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, looks like bollocks to me |
| 13:43.36 | luca | mwilson: any package i get and compile. they gets compiled with gcc |
| 13:43.41 | Guider | message start: ERRSRV - ERRmsgoff (Not receiving messages.) |
| 13:43.44 | lestest | hexxeh|work: sorry what did you mean about the PPro machines? |
| 13:44.09 | hexxeh|work | lestest, why are you talking and not installing? |
| 13:44.10 | luca | mwilson: for package i mean a archive of source files with a makefile :) |
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| 13:44.21 | liable | typo: /dev/ide/host0/lun0/disc0/blah/blah |
| 13:44.25 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, which means? (bollocks) |
| 13:44.36 | lestest | hexxeh|work: cos I don't wanna loose time |
| 13:44.49 | mwilson | luca: <sigh> In other words, you don't know how make works. |
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| 13:45.09 | mwilson | luca: Do whatever you like, then. |
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| 13:45.26 | liable | typo: wrong /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/blah |
| 13:45.30 | luca | mwilson: ok, you know then |
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| 13:45.40 | liable | typo: if its ide of course |
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| 13:46.13 | typo | liable: part1 for /dev/hda1? |
| 13:46.29 | liable | typo: depending on partition |
| 13:46.59 | typo | liable: wouldn't part1 be /dev/hda1? |
| 13:47.21 | typo | I'm going to try to see if it works |
| 13:47.24 | liable | typo: no, thats hda1, part is your partition |
| 13:47.38 | lord_rob | Is it dangerous to do "apt-get -t experimental install g++-4.0 gcc-4.0 gcc-4.0-base gcj-4.0 gij-4.0 cpp-4.0 libgcj6-dev libstdc++6-4.0-dev libgcj6 libgcj6-awt libgcj6-common". I mean, can simply adding experimental to my apt source.list and issuing that command alter some other packages on my system ? |
| 13:47.43 | typo | liable: and hda1 is the first partition of hda |
| 13:47.53 | Guider | message start: ERRSRV - ERRmsgoff (Not receiving messages.) ? |
| 13:48.02 | liable | typo: what is your linux partition |
| 13:48.02 | tarzeau | lord_rob: hehe, easy to find out, no? |
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| 13:48.08 | hexxeh|work | lord_rob, did you alter your apr_preferences or apt.conf to prefer anything_but_experimental ? |
| 13:48.08 | typo | off to try |
| 13:48.13 | typo | liable: hda1 is my root |
| 13:48.32 | liable | typo: well, yes, part1 |
| 13:48.36 | typo | liable: thanks |
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| 13:48.47 | typo | liable: do you think the install cd will boot with that as root=? |
| 13:48.50 | liable | typo: s/blah/part1 |
| 13:48.52 | lord_rob | tarzeau: easy yes, but this is the kind of thing I prefer not to discover :) |
| 13:48.56 | luca | mwilson: im still waiting for an hint. if you can't help me, just do not answer. :) |
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| 13:49.16 | lord_rob | hexxeh|work: no, or maybe it is by default |
| 13:49.19 | tarzeau | lord_rob: did you read !sid faq ? |
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| 13:49.42 | lord_rob | tarzeau: thanks doing it right now |
| 13:49.42 | liable | fuck devfs sucks |
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| 13:50.07 | tarzeau | liable: did you lose ~/porn/ ? |
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| 13:50.29 | hexxeh|work | lord_rob, by default, new versions are preferred, which is dangerous when mixing things |
| 13:50.31 | liable | tarzeau: no, silly, its all backed up :) |
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| 13:51.49 | asg | !tell msinhore about away |
| 13:52.01 | lord_rob | hexxeh|work: ok, I was asking that because I think I read here that you needed to change your apt preferences to put experimental at 600 or experimental wouldn't install by default otherwise. |
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| 13:52.21 | lord_rob | no root has landed ? |
| 13:52.29 | lord_rob | :) |
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| 13:55.18 | liable | !test |
| 13:55.18 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you're still online. |
| 13:55.27 | idnar | ~test |
| 13:55.29 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 13:55.34 | idnar | heh |
| 13:55.49 | lord_rob | hmmm that sid faq doesn't contain any information about experimental ... I'll try to follow instructions on http://fincos.homeip.net/Eclipse3gcj4debian :) |
| 13:56.00 | lord_rob | (without installing eclipse) |
| 13:56.24 | liable | lord_rob: you prolly DONT want to use experimental |
| 13:56.57 | liable | ooh, new day |
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| 13:58.16 | lord_rob | liable: that's true, but I would like to try the new gcc :). And as debian supports multiple gcc versions installed at the same time, that shouldn't hurt |
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| 13:59.20 | notty | i have a problem in kde, in the All Aplication menu is No entries. any idea why ? |
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| 14:00.08 | liable | lord_rob: well, I dont see the point, but, I wont stop you either, but, dont cry here when it runs a root :) |
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| 14:01.19 | liable | notty: there *isnt* an all application menu |
| 14:01.25 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, okay, email received |
| 14:01.37 | notty | liable: in kmenu |
| 14:01.43 | notty | liable: it's a tab |
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| 14:01.51 | lord_rob | liable: that's not for gcc exactly, rather for gcj |
| 14:02.04 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, with the Xconfig file? |
| 14:02.06 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, seems you simply need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and make sure you have a "1400x1050" mode first. apparently works |
| 14:02.24 | dippo | from a general philosophical perspective, is it a bad idea to populate /var/backups with other stuff? |
| 14:02.32 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, i'll paste it into #flood if you like |
| 14:02.33 | dippo | like if I wanted to, say, rotate mysqldump backups in there or something |
| 14:02.40 | deb_it_ | ok |
| 14:02.40 | dippo | or should I put those somewhere else |
| 14:02.48 | toresbe | argh. |
| 14:02.53 | toresbe | !confuse me |
| 14:02.54 | dpkg | Yes, them was my pants today, toresbe? breeches of the people's republic of tibet with extra herring |
| 14:03.09 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, thank you |
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| 14:03.19 | liable | notty: hmm, dont have it. you mean menu update? |
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| 14:03.57 | liable | hehe, thats goota be the best factoid ever |
| 14:03.59 | notty | liable: short story: in kmenu i only have run command , lock and logout... only this 3 |
| 14:04.14 | coywolf | there's a tool to format txt file, what is its name? |
| 14:04.43 | liable | notty: oh, when you click the big K, only those ones? |
| 14:04.50 | coywolf | fmt i think |
| 14:04.51 | notty | liable: yes |
| 14:04.52 | coywolf | !fmt |
| 14:05.02 | pzn | coywolf, it depends on what you want to do in the text file... |
| 14:05.15 | liable | notty: how did you install kde? |
| 14:05.15 | coywolf | pzn, i mean fmt |
| 14:05.25 | coywolf | dpkg, fmt |
| 14:05.29 | notty | liable: apt-get |
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| 14:05.41 | liable | notty: apt-get what? |
| 14:06.07 | notty | liable: apt-get install kde |
| 14:06.18 | pzn | coywolf, then try "man fmt" :-) |
| 14:06.19 | coruptkid | can anyone tell me if you would apply a uml patch to the src tree or a pre-compiled kernel image?? |
| 14:06.20 | notty | liable: and apt-get install some other aplications like kweather |
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| 14:06.54 | liable | notty: you just installed? |
| 14:07.03 | notty | liable: yes, 30 minutes ago |
| 14:07.16 | liable | notty: with net-install? |
| 14:07.23 | notty | liable: yes |
| 14:07.45 | stew | coruptkid: source, you can't patch stuff thats already compiled |
| 14:08.03 | liable | notty: post your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
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| 14:08.25 | coruptkid | stew: tnx thats what i just did but i'm getting some errors when building the kerenl |
| 14:09.02 | stew | coruptkid: did the patch apply cleanly? (no failed chunks)? |
| 14:09.11 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, thank you very much |
| 14:09.47 | liable | notty: you have internet connection on the box? |
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| 14:09.57 | notty | liable: yes |
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| 14:10.04 | notty | liable: i am on the box |
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| 14:10.27 | liable | notty: sarge? |
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| 14:11.02 | shift__ | Why is it that (from a windows box) when I ping <hostname of debian box>, I get a "cannot find host" error? |
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| 14:11.18 | hexxeh|work | shift_, because windows uses WINS for machine name resolution |
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| 14:11.32 | notty | liable: yes |
| 14:11.45 | shift__ | hexxeh|work - Is there a way around it? |
| 14:11.59 | hexxeh|work | shift_, you need to install samba, or a dns server of some kind, if memory serves. perhaps you can get away with only winbindd |
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| 14:13.02 | scar` | how come, I can connect to my ftp from outside but I get the following error msg: Data Socket Error: Connection refused |
| 14:13.02 | scar` | List Error |
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| 14:13.15 | hugo | how can I make diff files for a directory tree? |
| 14:13.21 | liable | notty: hmmm, well, try 'again' apt-get install kde |
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| 14:13.49 | tarzeau | hugo: using diff? |
| 14:13.54 | notty | liable: no result.. i think it's a problem with kde.. maybe some file problem |
| 14:13.55 | caphuso | hugo: the keyword is "recursive" |
| 14:14.14 | green_earz | hi all. with the smp kernel, and dual processor set up. the question is > if one processor stop working will the other still run and will the system stay up ??? |
| 14:14.15 | liable | notty: what does it say exactly |
| 14:14.40 | hexxeh|work | green_earz, depends on the cpu architecture |
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| 14:15.07 | green_earz | hexxeh|work: intel slot 1 |
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| 14:15.34 | notty | liable: i press kmenu and in the All Aplication says No entries |
| 14:15.34 | liable | notty: post to #flood if long error |
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| 14:15.43 | hexxeh|work | green_earz, absolutely not, then |
| 14:15.43 | green_earz | hexxeh|work: sorry intel slot 1 p111 |
| 14:15.45 | notty | liable: there is no error |
| 14:16.12 | hexxeh|work | it's "p3". "p111" makes you sound like a pretentious gimp |
| 14:16.14 | liable | notty: from the command line as root |
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| 14:16.50 | green_earz | hexxeh|work: thanks for that |
| 14:16.52 | idnar | besides, it would be p11 not p111 |
| 14:17.02 | adjacent | hehe |
| 14:17.04 | notty | liable: what from the comand line ? |
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| 14:17.28 | liable | notty: first 'su-' |
| 14:17.30 | coruptkid | when running "make xconfig" i get the error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt". What should i do?? |
| 14:17.44 | nksen | coruptkid: install qt |
| 14:17.47 | adjacent | just installed my new p100, wait p4... |
| 14:17.56 | liable | notty: then 'apt-get install kde' |
| 14:18.10 | coruptkid | nksen: is there an apt-get for it?? |
| 14:18.16 | notty | liable: kde is already the newest version. |
| 14:18.19 | nksen | coruptkid: apt-cache will tell you |
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| 14:19.31 | lord_rob | yeah ! gcc-4.0 did not crash my box :) |
| 14:19.40 | graet | all quiet on the western front. |
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| 14:20.11 | liable | notty: what architecture? |
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| 14:21.20 | graet | i am not able to sent a mail to lists.debian.org if i attached an image file. what is the reason? |
| 14:21.32 | liable | notty: post your /etc/apt/sorces.list to #flood |
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| 14:22.23 | coruptkid | nksen: qt-devel is already the lates version any other suggestions?? |
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| 14:22.45 | notty | liable: i didi that already |
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| 14:23.13 | coruptkid | how do you uninstall an apt-get installation?? |
| 14:23.33 | Althaser | coruptkid apt-get remove appz |
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| 14:23.47 | coruptkid | Althaser: tnx |
| 14:24.00 | ildegar | hmm, what's wrong, every other program plays sound except xmms it just stays quiet although music seems to be playing |
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| 14:24.58 | hexxeh|work | xmms blows? |
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| 14:25.28 | ildegar | blows? |
| 14:25.29 | Dabian | Ehehehe! :) |
| 14:25.33 | petemc | ixxs: maybe you have the wrong output plugin selected |
| 14:25.37 | petemc | ildegar: ^^ |
| 14:25.39 | liable | ildegar: wrong driver maybe? |
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| 14:25.56 | tarzeau | there is a signature about tofu explaining using tofu how confusing it is, anyone has it? |
| 14:25.56 | ildegar | i'm using the only output plugin which doesn't give me an error |
| 14:25.59 | Dabian | hexxeh|work: Nah .. rocks. |
| 14:26.02 | xk | anyone dealt with software raid on linux? |
| 14:26.10 | Dabian | xk : Not I. |
| 14:26.21 | xk | Dabian: do I care if you have not? |
| 14:26.27 | Spods | ildegar: you may need to install more output devices |
| 14:26.33 | liable | notty: unstable eh? dunno dude, strange, try installing testing. |
| 14:26.34 | Dabian | xk : However, I think there is kernel level support. |
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| 14:26.45 | Spods | they're seperated in different xmms packages |
| 14:26.49 | Dabian | xk : I think not, but thats gotta be a guess, since you asked. |
| 14:26.58 | xk | Dabian: I know that. I'm just having problems getting both harddrives added. |
| 14:27.12 | petemc | lots of people have used linux sw raid, in a lot of cases its better than hw |
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| 14:27.20 | xk | they are added... just only one of them is detected when formatted. |
| 14:27.26 | Dabian | xk : Are you going mirroring, or LVM? |
| 14:27.30 | coywolf | is :s/ <p>//g used for remov ' <p>' ? |
| 14:27.33 | sphere | xk: when what is formatted |
| 14:27.38 | xk | striping. |
| 14:27.39 | sphere | what kind of raid |
| 14:27.40 | xk | sphere: /dev/md0 |
| 14:27.48 | Dabian | petemc : If you count in crap hardware, yeah. |
| 14:27.49 | xk | just 2 drives, different partition sizes. |
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| 14:28.07 | coywolf | btw, anyone has lwn subscription? |
| 14:28.08 | petemc | Dabian: not just what is percieved to be crap, a lot more than that |
| 14:28.10 | Dabian | xk : A raid 0, in other words? |
| 14:28.15 | xk | Dabian: yes. |
| 14:28.32 | Dabian | xk : Pure striping ... Hmm .. no idea .. Is it IDE or SCSI? |
| 14:28.35 | coywolf | is :s/ <p>//g used for remov ' <p>' ? in vim |
| 14:28.36 | scar` | how can I configure proftpd so, that it is in active and not in passive FTP transmission mode? |
| 14:28.40 | xk | Dabian: scsi. |
| 14:28.48 | Dabian | xk : GOod :) |
| 14:29.01 | sphere | dunno raid1 works fine for me, maybe try identical partition sizes |
| 14:29.04 | Xenguy | coywolf: that looks right |
| 14:29.10 | Dabian | xk : I don't think I would like to know the performance of IDE in case of software striping. ;-) |
| 14:29.17 | coywolf | Xenguy, but i get E486: Pattern not found: <p> |
| 14:29.32 | sphere | Dabian: it's fine |
| 14:29.36 | Xenguy | coywolf: hrm |
| 14:29.41 | js_ | xk: do both partitions show up in /proc/mdstat? |
| 14:29.42 | h4r0ld | cowulf: %s/<p>// |
| 14:29.46 | dippo | is rsync supposed to transfer only diffs between versions of the same file? or does it just retransfer the whole thing? |
| 14:29.46 | Dabian | sphere : Are we talking pure IDE or UDMA? |
| 14:29.51 | xk | wtf, it's doing raid1 instead of raid0 |
| 14:29.55 | xk | I think I misread something :) |
| 14:29.57 | sphere | laugh |
| 14:29.58 | dippo | i did a mysqldump, rsynced, mysqldump again, and rsync is just retransferring all 27M |
| 14:30.02 | Dabian | xk : Heh, ok :) |
| 14:30.02 | coywolf | h4r0ld, thanks |
| 14:30.13 | xk | lol. I did raid1 instead of raid0 |
| 14:30.25 | Xenguy | coywolf: yeah, you had an extra space there |
| 14:30.26 | Dabian | xk : Shame on you :P Now enjoy ;-) |
| 14:30.44 | coywolf | Xenguy, i forgot %s :) |
| 14:31.03 | coywolf | btw, anyone has lwn subscription? my name is there :P |
| 14:31.08 | Xenguy | coywolf: ;-) '%' character means apply to the whole file |
| 14:31.16 | petemc | coywolf: i see you on kernelplanet too |
| 14:31.19 | Dabian | xk : Did you notice if support for raid 3/5 is available in the stardard 2.6.x debian kernel? |
| 14:31.22 | Dabian | For sarge |
| 14:31.28 | coywolf | petemc, :p |
| 14:31.42 | coywolf | petemc, yeah, i'm there |
| 14:31.56 | coywolf | petemc, i can make ad there ;p |
| 14:31.56 | Dabian | xk : (I'd like to try that one time - I have 3 scsi disks about same size). |
| 14:31.56 | petemc | coywolf: tho your link to linus and andrew discussing your patch is 404 |
| 14:32.39 | coywolf | petemc, yes, later, i feel it's not good to show the private mails without their permission. |
| 14:32.50 | petemc | coywolf: it wasnt on lkml? |
| 14:32.53 | coywolf | petemc, so i removed them |
| 14:33.06 | coywolf | petemc, it's my fault, i didn't cc lkml |
| 14:33.15 | xk | there we go. better. |
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| 14:34.11 | coywolf | no one has lwn subscription? my name is there :P |
| 14:34.23 | carbon60 | Morning all. |
| 14:34.23 | coywolf | lwn make money from me |
| 14:34.38 | petemc | they give DDs free subscriptions |
| 14:34.56 | coywolf | petemc, who's dd? |
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| 14:35.03 | petemc | debian developers |
| 14:35.05 | tarzeau | petemc: really? |
| 14:35.08 | petemc | yup |
| 14:35.25 | coywolf | petemc, but they don't give kd free subscriptions |
| 14:35.41 | petemc | one swallow doesnt make a summer ;) |
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| 14:35.56 | asg | petemc: I didn't read that as a bird |
| 14:36.04 | petemc | :) |
| 14:36.06 | xk | !kd |
| 14:36.11 | petemc | kernel devs |
| 14:36.13 | asg | xk: kernel devs |
| 14:36.15 | carbon60 | After setting up pppoe, is there some magic needed to get the Ethernet device in the UP state automatically? |
| 14:36.34 | colter | Since sarge has been frozen, I wonder when the next release will come out? Will I have to visit backports.org in a year from now, or will there be more frequent releases? |
| 14:36.45 | petemc | coywolf: auto in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:36.47 | petemc | gah |
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| 14:36.50 | petemc | carbon60: ^^^ |
| 14:36.51 | asg | colter: that has yet to be determined |
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| 14:37.19 | liable | carbon60: whatsifconfig sya? |
| 14:37.26 | caphuso | colter: you can setup dummy stanza in /etc/network/interfaces or abuse the "connect" facility of pppd |
| 14:37.31 | liable | shit |
| 14:37.47 | liable | that was terrible, ifconfig |
| 14:37.49 | Dabian | Is it ok to make birth announcements here? |
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| 14:38.06 | asg | Dabian: if you just gave birth, you shouldn't be on irc |
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| 14:38.20 | typo | what's the best way to put grub back in the mbr after a windows install? |
| 14:38.26 | carbon60 | No, I mean that the interface isn't marked as UP: "4: eth2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST>", so the ppp connection won't deal with it. "ip link set eth2 up" fixes the problem. |
| 14:38.27 | asg | typo: grub-install |
| 14:38.36 | colter | asg: are any trends visibile? I seem to recall a developer saying the wanted more frequent updates |
| 14:38.37 | typo | asg: but I need to be able to boot first |
| 14:38.43 | caphuso | colter: you can setup dummy stanza in /etc/network/interfaces or abuse the "connect" facility of pppd |
| 14:38.45 | liable | typo: knoppix |
| 14:38.48 | asg | typo: after booting with a rescue or install disc and chrooting to your existing environment |
| 14:38.59 | colter | caphuso: try carbon60? ;-) |
| 14:39.03 | typo | asg: ok thanks |
| 14:39.03 | carbon60 | petemc: I don't mean "up" in the ifup/ifdown sense. |
| 14:39.06 | caphuso | colter: damn, sorry |
| 14:39.09 | colter | hehe |
| 14:39.14 | Dabian | typo : Any questiosn? |
| 14:39.15 | caphuso | carbon60: you can setup dummy stanza in /etc/network/interfaces or abuse the "connect" facility of pppd |
| 14:39.24 | Dabian | Guess not .. :-) |
| 14:39.28 | carbon60 | caphuso: That seems weird though, shouldn't it know how to do that automagically? |
| 14:39.29 | asg | colter: I think most people want faster updates, but only the future will tell. |
| 14:39.32 | caphuso | carbon60: no |
| 14:39.53 | caphuso | carbon60: upstream refused the patch that implemented this feature, so the debian maintainer dropped it |
| 14:40.00 | carbon60 | Ah. |
| 14:40.01 | carbon60 | PITA. |
| 14:40.06 | caphuso | not really |
| 14:40.31 | carbon60 | caphuso: Mind elaborating on your suggestions then? |
| 14:40.44 | Dabian | asg : You realise, that the little punk was in trouble because he was insane enough to install crap proprietary software? |
| 14:40.45 | caphuso | carbon60: man 5 interfaces and man ppd |
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| 14:40.52 | carbon60 | Ok, thanks a lot. |
| 14:40.55 | Dabian | asg :-) |
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| 14:41.04 | MrBucket | Hello! |
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| 14:41.14 | Dabian | MrBucket : Well hello there! |
| 14:41.17 | caphuso | carbon60: the former includes petemc's auto hint, the latter an ifconfig/ip command |
| 14:41.24 | MrBucket | I would like to know if I can use apt-get to install pico? |
| 14:41.29 | asg | Dabian: it happens |
| 14:41.34 | caphuso | MrBucket: use nano |
| 14:41.34 | asg | MrBucket: /msg dpkg pico |
| 14:41.35 | xk | MrBucket: apt-get install nano |
| 14:41.36 | jethro | !hdii pico |
| 14:41.37 | dpkg | How Do I Install pico ? try apt-cache search pico, then apt-get install the appropriate package(s). Better yet, man apt-cache and man apt-get |
| 14:41.39 | carbon60 | caphuso: Oh, the "auto" bit I new about. :-) |
| 14:41.39 | Dabian | MrBucket : You have come to the right place! |
| 14:41.40 | MrBucket | apt-cache seach doesnt me no good. |
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| 14:41.48 | Dabian | MrBucket : The answer is "No!!!". |
| 14:41.57 | Dabian | MrBucket : Pico isn't free software, after all. |
| 14:41.57 | liable | MrBucket: you prolly already ave it |
| 14:42.09 | caphuso | the answer is "yes, but it's more pain than it is worth" |
| 14:42.12 | MrBucket | Well then pico is not running it. |
| 14:42.14 | Dabian | MrBucket : However, there is a free pico clone, you can install. |
| 14:42.15 | shomon | hi I'm trying to find a package for debian containing /usr/share/dict/words or whatever the equivalent |
| 14:42.26 | MrBucket | ohhh |
| 14:42.27 | xk | shomon: /msg dpkg find dict/words |
| 14:42.27 | liable | shit, I give up, bed :( |
| 14:42.28 | MrBucket | Clone? |
| 14:42.29 | hexxeh|work | MrBucket, pico is non-free, and not in debian. nano is a very close clone, which is included in debian |
| 14:42.40 | MrBucket | nano |
| 14:42.40 | Dabian | MrBucket : If you *must* have pico, however, you can download it somewhere, and install from source, along with pine. |
| 14:42.43 | MrBucket | mhmm |
| 14:42.44 | asg | MrBucket: a free pico replacement that is superior |
| 14:42.56 | MrBucket | Lemme try... |
| 14:43.03 | Dabian | !pine |
| 14:43.03 | dpkg | pine: a non-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 14:43.07 | MrBucket | ohhh |
| 14:43.09 | MrBucket | I like. |
| 14:43.15 | xk | elm + pico == mutt + nano. |
| 14:43.27 | asg | xk: s/==/</ |
| 14:43.29 | Dabian | MrBucket : pico is EVIL! |
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| 14:43.36 | xk | ;) |
| 14:43.37 | MrBucket | hahaha |
| 14:43.40 | MrBucket | OK |
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| 14:43.41 | xk | actually |
| 14:43.48 | MrBucket | I'll have to remember that. |
| 14:43.51 | S4nD3r_ | Hello. Id like to know which is the command to discover IP address from any site? I know theres a lot of command may be used, but I want to know which command is the correct? Ping ? Host? |
| 14:43.57 | Dabian | MrBucket : Do youself a favour, and learn GNU Emacs, VIM or XEmacs. |
| 14:43.57 | xk | pico came with pine, eh? |
| 14:43.59 | xk | or elm? |
| 14:44.00 | asg | xk: too bad there isn't a symbol for 'not in the same fucking ballpark' :) |
| 14:44.04 | lestest | hi there is it possible to locate links pointing to a file? |
| 14:44.05 | Dabian | xk : PINE |
| 14:44.23 | nksen | S4nD3r_: there is no correct command for that |
| 14:44.27 | Dabian | MrBucket : apt-get install emacs21 |
| 14:44.29 | caphuso | lestest: you mean symlinks? |
| 14:44.29 | MrBucket | >>>>> |
| 14:44.30 | asg | lestest: I'm sure you can with find |
| 14:44.31 | xk | Dabian: ah, got confused for a sec ;) |
| 14:44.33 | S4nD3r_ | nksen, oh... |
| 14:44.46 | MrBucket | Dabian- Is that docs? |
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| 14:44.50 | shomon | sorry? tried -find and find but couldn't get dpkg to find a package containing words |
| 14:44.52 | lestest | caphuso: any |
| 14:44.58 | S4nD3r_ | officially, dig ? Isnt it ? |
| 14:45.03 | Dabian | MrBucket : If you try it .. then type "control h" "control t" .. and you get a tutorial!! |
| 14:45.08 | depjohe | hi ! short question. I am running debian sarge (installed yesterday) |
| 14:45.10 | MrBucket | ahha |
| 14:45.10 | lestest | caphuso: both symbolic and not |
| 14:45.22 | asg | shomon: dictionaries-common |
| 14:45.23 | nksen | S4nD3r_: i use dig to debug problems with nameservers, so you could say 'yes' |
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| 14:45.25 | Dabian | depjohe : Thats a question? |
| 14:45.26 | depjohe | i installed firefox as root and it worked, User b can also use firefox |
| 14:45.27 | caphuso | lestest: yes, but it's not quite straight forward. you need to walk recursively through / and check each file |
| 14:45.29 | Dabian | xok:-) |
| 14:45.37 | lestest | caphuso: ouch |
| 14:45.43 | depjohe | today i created a new user c and when i click on the firefox icon nothing happens |
| 14:45.45 | depjohe | any ideas ? |
| 14:45.52 | Dabian | xk : It is confusing .. however, I've been using elm a lot .. so I am not so easy to confuse pine in elm. |
| 14:45.54 | shomon | thanks |
| 14:45.54 | xk | depjohe: installed firefox from where? |
| 14:45.56 | nksen | depjohe: user b is in a group user c is not |
| 14:45.57 | lestest | caphuso: with find as asg suggested? |
| 14:46.02 | MrBucket | I was using pico because it was the closest thing to NotePad :P |
| 14:46.05 | Dabian | xk : But to you, its just another tree, I guess. ;-) |
| 14:46.06 | caphuso | lestest: find alone won't do it |
| 14:46.18 | depjohe | i simply used apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 14:46.21 | MrBucket | Thank you. |
| 14:46.24 | MrBucket | ;) |
| 14:46.35 | Dabian | MrBucket : Then you should look into gedit, or gnotepad+ |
| 14:46.40 | asg | lestest: find / -type l -exec ls -l {} \; | grep <file you are looking for> |
| 14:46.44 | Dabian | MrBucket : If you like GNOME. |
| 14:46.53 | IDC | I am a bit of outdate..anyway what does 'wiki' stand for ? |
| 14:46.55 | depjohe | btw: i am using gnome |
| 14:46.58 | MrBucket | hmmm |
| 14:46.59 | caphuso | lestest: you need to check for a) is the file a symlink and if yes, does it point to the target file and b) does the file have a linkcount of 2 or more and does it have the same inode number than you target file |
| 14:47.05 | Dabian | MrBucket : If you like KDE, I *guess* you should have a date with kate ... |
| 14:47.24 | lestest | asg: can't do that with ls -laR | grep "name$" |
| 14:47.24 | Spods | MrBucket: nano should already be installed on debian, it's pico without the requirement to have pine |
| 14:47.29 | Dabian | Ok .. da bucket left. |
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| 14:47.50 | asg | lestest: if you wish |
| 14:48.16 | caphuso | lestest: ls -liaR | egrep "nameoffile|inodenumberoffile" |
| 14:48.16 | asg | lestest: but that won't allow you to prune out /proc, /sys, and any other filesystem you don't wish to search. |
| 14:48.37 | Dabian | ok .. back to /trying to/ fix my nvidia problem :-) |
| 14:48.44 | miss | Can anyone help me configuring /etc/x11/x86Config for my "ASUS V9520 MagicT". it keeps telling "no screen found" |
| 14:48.52 | lestest | asg: I can specify dirs after ls |
| 14:49.06 | lestest | asg: find forks for each file |
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| 14:49.15 | asg | lestest: yes, I suppose you can. |
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| 14:49.28 | Dabian | I hope no announcement made it to the channel? |
| 14:49.37 | depjohe | when i try to start firefox from a console (by typing firefox) i get the following |
| 14:49.38 | asg | Dabian: we didn't see one |
| 14:49.43 | shomon | thanks asg, I found that it points to /usr/share/dict/american-english which doesn't exist... should I unload and re load the .deb to get it to install properly? |
| 14:49.47 | depjohe | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 14:50.03 | xk | depjohe: console or xterm? |
| 14:50.05 | lestest | caphuso: asg thankz both |
| 14:50.13 | depjohe | console |
| 14:50.15 | asg | shomon: apt-cache search wamerican |
| 14:50.20 | depjohe | i am a linux newbie |
| 14:50.24 | depjohe | should i check with xterm ? |
| 14:50.25 | asg | lestest: you're welcome |
| 14:50.32 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, hi again. i tried the XF86config-4 file, but it didn't work |
| 14:50.37 | xk | depjohe: you can't do that unless you export DISPLAY=:0.0 in console. |
| 14:50.40 | Eckrall | depjohe: sounds like you need an xserver and WM running |
| 14:50.51 | depjohe | what is wm ? |
| 14:50.58 | xk | unless.... he's not running X aswell, heh. |
| 14:50.58 | asg | woman |
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| 14:51.06 | depjohe | the stange thing is that mozilla, x-chat and everything is running |
| 14:51.08 | Putiikki | depjohe: window manager |
| 14:51.11 | depjohe | only firefox for this user not |
| 14:51.12 | lestest | caphuso: how can I get the inode? |
| 14:51.22 | depjohe | it works for other users on that system |
| 14:51.25 | Eckrall | depjohe: Window Manager, like KDE or Gnome |
| 14:51.27 | caphuso | lestest: i already told you... |
| 14:51.36 | xk | depjohe: do you start firefox in the exact same way for other users? |
| 14:51.38 | Eckrall | ahh, that is odd then |
| 14:51.45 | depjohe | yes, without a problem |
| 14:52.05 | shomon | thanks - asg, um but I'm in the uk... is there a wbritish one too? |
| 14:52.10 | lestest | caphuso: got it thankz |
| 14:52.15 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, you didn't use it verbatim, right? |
| 14:52.37 | xk | depjohe: run "groups", and check if video and console are listed. |
| 14:52.42 | shomon | ah yes there was asg no problem... thanks |
| 14:52.50 | asg | shomon: you're welcome |
| 14:52.51 | depjohe | ok i will check it |
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| 14:53.10 | asg | !punish asg's headache |
| 14:53.23 | jethro | hangover? :) |
| 14:53.31 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, verbatim? what is it? i just overwritten the file, but seems he has nvidia drivers, whichi don't have |
| 14:53.40 | asg | jethro: no, surprisingly, I never get hangovers. I expect it is the weather. |
| 14:53.45 | petemc | i feel drowsy from my lunchtime boozing |
| 14:53.56 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, good guess. |
| 14:54.07 | asg | petemc: I could go for one, maybe I'll pop out early. |
| 14:54.12 | drac | xk: how did it go with mesa? |
| 14:54.21 | petemc | asg: hour to go here, then its straight to the pub :) |
| 14:54.24 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, so what can i do? |
| 14:54.36 | asg | petemc: technically 4 here before pubtime. |
| 14:54.39 | Spods | how does a headache have balls?? |
| 14:54.40 | xk | drac: haven't tried ever since :/ although your suggestion of using matrox supplied driver and hal with x.org might work. |
| 14:54.48 | petemc | asg: "technically" :) |
| 14:54.48 | asg | Spods: this one has teeth |
| 14:54.48 | xk | drac: otherwise I would need to flash bios or do some other things. |
| 14:54.58 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, how about tell it not to use nvidia drivers? does that sound even remotely like an appropriate course of action that you should have done yourself? |
| 14:55.08 | asg | petemc: well, I may skip out early to take care of this headache (then I'm on holiday for a week) |
| 14:55.13 | petemc | nice |
| 14:55.14 | Spods | asg: i'll take yer word for it. and now, back to lurking |
| 14:55.18 | petemc | asg: going anywhere? |
| 14:55.23 | drac | xk: ok, hope you'll get it sorted out:) |
| 14:55.27 | asg | petemc: no, just bumming around |
| 14:55.37 | petemc | nothing wrong with that |
| 14:55.54 | asg | petemc: that's what I call holiday. Going places makes me irritable :) |
| 14:55.58 | petemc | :) |
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| 14:56.33 | asg | petemc: stock the beer fridge, get a carton of cigs, ramp up the netflix queue, and veg. |
| 14:56.37 | miss | please anyone help me configuring /etc/x11/x86Config |
| 14:56.45 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, should i comment that? or substitute? and if yes, with what? |
| 14:56.50 | asg | !drxx miss |
| 14:56.50 | miss | ich bin am verzweifeln |
| 14:56.50 | dpkg | miss: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 14:56.56 | petemc | asg: nice, there would be one other essential requirement for me :) |
| 14:57.04 | asg | petemc: of course |
| 14:57.04 | Dabian | asg : Good .. thanks for telling me. I like bx as a client .. but you gotta watch the config! |
| 14:57.12 | asg | Dabian: hehe |
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| 14:57.21 | asg | petemc: I haven't done that in a long time though. |
| 14:57.29 | CrypticSquare | morning all |
| 14:57.31 | jethro | asg: you're lucky (for the hangovers) |
| 14:57.39 | petemc | asg: s'like riding a bike ;) |
| 14:57.41 | asg | jethro: yes, an odd talent to be proud of |
| 14:57.47 | miss | have tried that but it keeps telling "no screen found" |
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| 14:57.49 | depjohe | xk: the user was not in the group "video" i added user c but it is still not working |
| 14:57.56 | xk | dpej: and console? |
| 14:57.59 | xk | depjohe: rather |
| 14:58.08 | Dabian | OK .. I'll be going, to try and see if my nvidia rescue action worked! Wish me luck, cross your fingers and say a prayer for me. ;-) |
| 14:58.09 | asg | petemc: too true. Oddly enough, weed (especially really good weed) always gave me headaches. |
| 14:58.17 | CrypticSquare | hey does anyone know where i could put up a firewall script for others to try and help with? im stuck |
| 14:58.18 | dippo | crap. I can't seem to make rsync do incremental transfers of files. it keeps copying the whole thing |
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| 14:58.21 | xk | depjohe: you also have to logout and login again |
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| 14:58.27 | asg | CrypticSquare: /msg dpkg paste |
| 14:58.38 | depjohe | ah, ok i will try that, thanks for your help. |
| 14:58.45 | depjohe | cu/for the moment |
| 14:58.46 | petemc | asg: yerma.org/~pete :) |
| 14:58.49 | CrypticSquare | asg, thinking like a forum as i want to go to bed now |
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| 14:58.55 | asg | petemc: oh, I remember :) |
| 14:59.05 | asg | CrypticSquare: #iptables may know of one. |
| 14:59.22 | CrypticSquare | ah see only smart people would think to look there :P |
| 14:59.22 | asg | petemc: the splif howto is one of my all time favourites. |
| 14:59.34 | petemc | asg: thats shiva bhang - saves the lungs |
| 14:59.45 | S4nD3r_ | hello |
| 14:59.49 | S4nD3r_ | I need a help please |
| 15:00.03 | asg | !tell S4nD3r_ about smart questions |
| 15:00.15 | asg | !tell S4nD3r_ about ask |
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| 15:00.24 | S4nD3r_ | I used fdisk and deleted my /dev/hda7, this is my / . When I boot, I will lose all my system... |
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| 15:00.36 | S4nD3r_ | How recover my partition table ? |
| 15:00.45 | caphuso | S4nD3r_: gpart might help |
| 15:01.08 | depjohe | xk: this solved the problem. now firefox if working - thanks a lot for your help ;-) |
| 15:01.24 | CrypticSquare | S4nD3r_, why did you delete it in the first place? |
| 15:01.28 | xk | depjohe: :) |
| 15:01.44 | S4nD3r_ | Id like to put more space on / mount point |
| 15:01.58 | S4nD3r_ | because Ive a lot of another partitions in computer |
| 15:02.16 | caphuso | S4nD3r_: heh, that might have worked out a lot better than you expected ;-) |
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| 15:02.37 | Jeo | I am getting this error: Couldn't open RCS file |
| 15:02.37 | Jeo | <Jeo> I've seen in docs it could be write permission, but the write permissions are ok |
| 15:02.37 | Jeo | <Jeo> what else could it be? |
| 15:02.44 | S4nD3r_ | I deleted the wrong partition |
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| 15:03.00 | Jeo | this is cvs on debian... |
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| 15:03.16 | Jeo | connection by pserver... |
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| 15:03.28 | Jeo | the login is ok, the permissions are correct |
| 15:03.39 | Jeo | what else could it be? |
| 15:03.48 | xk | what are you typing exactly? |
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| 15:04.06 | BibTeX | Hello |
| 15:04.19 | S4nD3r_ | I used gpart /dev/hda. That will take a long time to finish? |
| 15:04.19 | BibTeX | I have a question concerning the Memory of Debian |
| 15:04.26 | BibTeX | I mean the Ram and the SWAP |
| 15:04.41 | CrypticSquare | BibTeX, ? |
| 15:04.55 | L00thar | Hi again. I need to know how to ssh into a host which insists on running bash with .bash_profile (which runs a bad .bashrc). I've tried numerous things, but can't seem to get around this. |
| 15:05.01 | xk | S4nD3r_: if you overwrote a partition, you've lost the data. if you overwrote the drive (/dev/hda), you've lost the partition table aswell as data. |
| 15:05.17 | BibTeX | how comes that even when I close all the applications, the memory iis still full |
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| 15:05.18 | BibTeX | ? |
| 15:05.20 | xk | what is it with the lame nicks in this channel? |
| 15:05.22 | xk | ;) |
| 15:05.23 | S4nD3r_ | I used fdisk |
| 15:05.26 | S4nD3r_ | then I lost ? |
| 15:05.32 | POVaddct | L00thar: ssh user@hostname sh |
| 15:05.35 | CrypticSquare | BibTeX, have you tried top? |
| 15:05.36 | xk | S4nD3r_: you only used fdisk? |
| 15:05.41 | BibTeX | yes |
| 15:05.41 | xk | S4nD3r_: or mke2fs? |
| 15:05.45 | CrypticSquare | and? |
| 15:05.58 | L00thar | POVaddct: I've tried that. But I'll try it again, just to be sure. |
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| 15:06.15 | bbrazil | L00thar: stfp |
| 15:06.21 | L00thar | bbrazil: ? |
| 15:06.21 | BibTeX | I used more the system monitor |
| 15:06.28 | S4nD3r_ | only fdisk |
| 15:06.30 | S4nD3r_ | nothing more |
| 15:06.32 | L00thar | bbrazil: hey.... hmmm... |
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| 15:06.36 | bbrazil | L00thar: sftp - use it to remove the .bash_profile |
| 15:06.39 | BibTeX | and the memory is still heavy, and the system is like a turtle |
| 15:06.40 | xk | S4nD3r_: and wrote the partition table? if so, then gpart will recover partition table. |
| 15:06.43 | S4nD3r_ | If I recreate the partition? |
| 15:06.46 | Tokeiito | hello all |
| 15:06.48 | POVaddct | L00thar: yeah, you could use sftp to modify the bad .bashrc |
| 15:06.48 | L00thar | bbrazil: ya.... didn't think of that. |
| 15:06.51 | bbrazil | L00thar: I had this happen one, used smbclient |
| 15:06.54 | CrypticSquare | BibTeX, what does top say? |
| 15:07.12 | L00thar | bbrazil: POVaddct because they don't allow regular ftp... and I forgot. |
| 15:07.29 | Spods | hey, does anyone remember the package that writes the file /var/log/bootlogd.log ? I used to have this package, but not since December apparently |
| 15:07.38 | asg | Spods: bootlogd |
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| 15:08.05 | S4nD3r_ | Yes, I wrote when was using fdisk |
| 15:08.11 | asg | Spods: it's part of the sysvinit package |
| 15:08.16 | Spods | asg: well that's what I thought but nothing came up from bootlog or bootl |
| 15:08.17 | S4nD3r_ | now I m trying, gpart /dev/hda -i |
| 15:08.20 | asg | Spods: check /etc/default/bootlogd (to see if it is enabled) |
| 15:08.30 | S4nD3r_ | I hope this may help me... If not, I will be fucked |
| 15:08.36 | BibTeX | CrypticSquare: Mem: 256424k total, 237856k used, 18568k free, 3220k buffers |
| 15:08.36 | BibTeX | Swap: 104348k total, 33624k used, 70724k free, 100764k cached |
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| 15:08.42 | tampio | Hard drive change ? After 6 yrs service, hard drive where / is located makes unpleasant noise, does anyone have good suggestions how to make change ? |
| 15:08.51 | Spods | asg: thanks, will check it out |
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| 15:09.03 | CrypticSquare | BibTeX, you running x? |
| 15:09.09 | petemc | tampio: back up data, install new disk, restore |
| 15:09.10 | xk | tampio: replace it with a new drive that has fluid bearings? :o |
| 15:09.12 | BibTeX | yes |
| 15:09.19 | Spods | asg: thanks, that got it |
| 15:09.25 | asg | Spods: you're welcome |
| 15:09.25 | CrypticSquare | exit x for a start |
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| 15:09.31 | miss | how do i Play (mp3/ogg) music from shell without anything as x |
| 15:09.47 | BibTeX | CrypticSquare: I didn't get it |
| 15:09.53 | asg | miss: vorbis-tools and mpg123 |
| 15:10.01 | asg | s/123/321/ |
| 15:10.29 | Spods | miss: or mp3blaster I've found hasn't been too bad |
| 15:10.29 | asg | miss: also, the mpd (and mpc client) packages are nice. |
| 15:10.33 | CrypticSquare | those numbers dont make sense to me, anyone else? |
| 15:10.41 | asg | CrypticSquare: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 15:10.44 | miss | okay thanks. and how do i do a DV Cam Capture via Firewire ? |
| 15:10.52 | Phated | music123 is nice. |
| 15:10.52 | E-bola | Can anybody tell me what noapic does to the kernel? I cant find any info on it anywhere |
| 15:11.03 | miss | its a Sony DCR-PC104E |
| 15:11.08 | petemc | miss: make sure you have kernel support, install kino or cinelarra |
| 15:11.17 | asg | E-bola: it disable support for APIC which can be problematic on some systems |
| 15:11.36 | miss | is anythind included in the 7cd debian set ? |
| 15:11.45 | jethro | miss: don't use the 7cd set |
| 15:11.49 | miss | no? |
| 15:11.50 | jethro | miss: use the internet |
| 15:11.55 | miss | im offline |
| 15:11.58 | jethro | ah ok |
| 15:12.11 | petemc | miss: the woody kernels probably wouldnt have what you need |
| 15:12.12 | Phated | One of them has to be in there. |
| 15:12.21 | E-bola | asg: i dont know what apic, think thats my problem hehe, you have any good ressources? |
| 15:12.22 | petemc | miss: you appear to be online atm :) |
| 15:12.34 | asg | E-bola: google or the lkml archives perhaps |
| 15:12.54 | asg | E-bola: there's probably also documentation in the src/Documentation directory of the linux kernel source tree. |
| 15:12.59 | miss | im @ friend using windows |
| 15:12.59 | tampio | if you tune your system by hand over few yrs, format and new drive & installation of debian ain't so nice. Spilling oil over it comes to mind :-) |
| 15:13.07 | E-bola | im trying google atm, but its 90% ppl having problems with apic without explaining what it is hehe |
| 15:13.12 | asg | !apic |
| 15:13.12 | dpkg | apic is probably Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... |
| 15:13.36 | E-bola | ahh Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controler |
| 15:13.53 | E-bola | help to ask google like "what is..." |
| 15:14.09 | miss | and what about Ripping DVDs and CDs down to like 700MB. any pice of software included in my only 7cd set ? |
| 15:14.12 | CrypticSquare | asg, just out of curiosity, how long have you been using linux? |
| 15:14.20 | asg | E-bola: i386/IO-APIC.txt (in the linux kernel sources) |
| 15:14.25 | jethro | miss: I doubt that |
| 15:14.26 | asg | CrypticSquare: since '96 or so |
| 15:14.31 | scar` | man I love linux |
| 15:14.34 | CrypticSquare | ah figures |
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| 15:14.45 | asg | CrypticSquare: though I had a shell account on a Sun box in '89 for irc/mail |
| 15:14.47 | jethro | miss: you want to get stuff from marillat, burn it, then use it offline |
| 15:14.53 | jethro | !tell miss -about marillat |
| 15:14.58 | CrypticSquare | lol, you nerd! |
| 15:15.07 | E-bola | asg: ahh kewl that txt is just what I need |
| 15:15.13 | asg | CrypticSquare: I studied Philosophy in college ;) |
| 15:15.25 | Spods | asg: rofl |
| 15:15.40 | CrypticSquare | so did i... but my first comp was a mac classic |
| 15:15.52 | Spods | asg: of course, irc would enable you to philosiphise frequently |
| 15:16.08 | miss | isnt there a 300MB Q&A database to download. or a good book ? i just need some help getting started anywhere. is debian the wrong choice ? SuSe ? |
| 15:16.13 | asg | Spods: too true. |
| 15:16.17 | CrypticSquare | :) |
| 15:16.20 | asg | jethro: had one of those and a 128 |
| 15:16.29 | jethro | miss: debian isn't much fun without the internet :/ |
| 15:16.38 | jethro | asg: you used to play bruce lee and summer games? :) |
| 15:16.52 | asg | jethro: of course, Green Yammo was the best character in BL |
| 15:16.58 | jethro | heh |
| 15:17.00 | Spods | bruce lee, now there was a time waster! |
| 15:17.10 | asg | jethro: my favorite was Racing Destruction Set |
| 15:17.11 | jethro | you must be kidding |
| 15:17.12 | miss | why ? |
| 15:17.18 | jethro | asg: I don't recall that game |
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| 15:17.37 | Spods | i still play wizball alot |
| 15:17.43 | asg | jethro: http://rds.planetflibble.com/ |
| 15:17.46 | jethro | I no longer have the c64 |
| 15:18.02 | asg | jethro: that's a PC remake |
| 15:18.02 | miss | you guys really dont know what it is like to be offline. no "lets google it". |
| 15:18.15 | asg | jethro: there are also many c64 emulators around |
| 15:18.49 | CrypticSquare | miss, get an encyclopedia |
| 15:18.51 | Spods | jethro: vice lets me play my favourites without having to take the old 64s out of the shed |
| 15:18.52 | jethro | miss: that's why I told you debian is less fun without the net |
| 15:19.08 | jethro | asg: Spods I should get one and play BL then :) |
| 15:19.16 | valdyn | miss: afaik every howto on tldp.org is packaged for download too.. |
| 15:19.21 | asg | jethro: hours of fun |
| 15:19.31 | asg | valdyn: in the doc-linux-{html,text} packages |
| 15:19.34 | Phated | I know what it's like to be offline. Hate it. |
| 15:19.38 | jethro | I really liked BL, even if once finished, you had to start over again |
| 15:20.03 | toresbe | I know what it's like to be offline and it's not fun - that's why I never stay offline for lon |
| 15:20.10 | Spods | jethro: www.vice.org should get you started, or apt-get install vice |
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| 15:20.20 | jethro | that why I have a 3G phone and wifi gear |
| 15:20.43 | S4nD3r_ | I am waiting gpart recover my partitions... |
| 15:20.46 | asg | overhugging! |
| 15:20.46 | S4nD3r_ | Its so slow... |
| 15:20.52 | jethro | Spods: I ll just apt-get install tonight, I m not on a debian desktop at the moment |
| 15:21.16 | Spods | blegh |
| 15:21.30 | cbr | why did the cursor in my debian suddenly change? |
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| 15:21.39 | Spods | fair enuff |
| 15:21.46 | asg | cbr: from what to what? |
| 15:21.56 | toresbe | Phated: this is #debian - no Windows here :P |
| 15:21.57 | cbr | from default black to some white |
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| 15:22.02 | miss | and does my plastic friend the "HP 1100 USB Printer / Scanner" require some kind of extra drivers or files to work ??? |
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| 15:22.11 | Phated | toresbe: *groan* |
| 15:22.16 | valdyn | cbr: what else did you update? |
| 15:22.22 | jethro | miss: aren't you online at the moment? |
| 15:22.34 | miss | yes but on a friends machine |
| 15:22.35 | asg | jethro: miss is at a friends |
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| 15:22.37 | jethro | miss: if so, can't you check hardware compatibility lists, and howtos? |
| 15:22.38 | cbr | valdyn: i didnt update anything |
| 15:22.46 | jethro | asg: does it matter? :) |
| 15:22.48 | miss | where ? |
| 15:22.52 | asg | jethro: in that case, no |
| 15:22.54 | jethro | miss: start with google :) |
| 15:23.00 | miss | key ? |
| 15:23.02 | jethro | miss: tldp.org is nice too |
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| 15:23.19 | Phated | miss: Is this the HP PSC 1100? |
| 15:23.24 | miss | yes |
| 15:23.42 | jethro | !handhold miss |
| 15:23.50 | Phated | It's reputed to work under Linux. Check the hardware compatibility howto for what module. |
| 15:24.08 | Spods | i just got asked for a mediamate database password while purging mediamate. weird. |
| 15:24.34 | Phated | Presumably, it needs authentication to delete the files? |
| 15:25.02 | Spods | i guess so, but the reason i'm purging it is because i can't remember the flippin password hehe |
| 15:25.19 | jethro | hah |
| 15:25.22 | jethro | !pal Spods |
| 15:25.32 | Phated | Just remove it and manually rm whatever configs it has? |
| 15:25.45 | S4nD3r_ | please |
| 15:25.55 | S4nD3r_ | gpart found only 4 partitino |
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| 15:26.31 | Spods | Phated: I'll probably have to remove it's database tables as well if i ever want to reinstall |
| 15:26.36 | Phated | Spods: |
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| 15:26.45 | Phated | Erm. Yes, quite likely. |
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| 15:27.01 | S4nD3r_ | How do I discover if I deleted the partition that Im using? |
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| 15:27.40 | Spods | S4nD3r: reboot and see if it's still there? (please *don't* do this, im joking) |
| 15:27.49 | S4nD3r_ | I know that Spods |
| 15:27.56 | Spods | just in case |
| 15:27.59 | Spods | you never know |
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| 15:28.05 | S4nD3r_ | oh my good |
| 15:28.08 | cozwei | how can i install the fish-protocol? |
| 15:28.18 | asg | !fish |
| 15:28.18 | dpkg | i heard fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://www.p-nand-q.com/maldives/rbr/fish/sf25.jpg |
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| 15:28.50 | cozwei | !fish |
| 15:28.50 | dpkg | from memory, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://www.p-nand-q.com/maldives/rbr/fish/sf25.jpg |
| 15:28.57 | cozwei | thx |
| 15:28.59 | dfzi | !monkey |
| 15:28.59 | dpkg | monkey = power To The tune of the Micky Mouse song: o/~ M-O-N-K-E-Y S-P-A-N-K o/~ |
| 15:29.05 | asg | cozwei: can you give us some information about this fish protocol? |
| 15:29.06 | Spods | !spam |
| 15:29.06 | dpkg | spam is, like, a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) |
| 15:29.06 | dfzi | thx <3 |
| 15:29.09 | asg | cozwei: is there an rfc? |
| 15:29.23 | Spods | hooray! i wondered if it would have that |
| 15:29.38 | hugo | how can I make diff files for a directory tree? |
| 15:29.43 | cozwei | i have no clue. i just wanted to install the kiosk admin tool from kde. and that needs this protocol |
| 15:29.45 | asg | Spods: it has tons. /msg dpkg help ; /msg dpkg listkeys <foo> ; /msg dpkg listvals <foo> |
| 15:29.54 | agnostikal | what are the good points about debian? which distribution should i use as an inexperienced linux user??? |
| 15:29.58 | Spods | asg: cheers |
| 15:30.03 | caphuso | hugo: man diff. you're looking for 'recursive' |
| 15:30.03 | jethro | !tell agnostikal -about why debian |
| 15:30.06 | asg | cozwei: try #debian-kde perhaps |
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| 15:30.14 | agnostikal | cool |
| 15:30.15 | agnostikal | thx |
| 15:30.32 | cozwei | i guess the fish protocol uses ssh. in kde just type in: fish://user@host/path |
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| 15:31.12 | asg | cozwei: of FiSH (files over ssh) |
| 15:31.15 | asg | s/of/oh/ |
| 15:31.17 | Spods | !unlobotomy |
| 15:31.26 | Phated | FOSH would be cooler. |
| 15:31.43 | Spods | didnt get that right. stuff it, i've lost interest in it now. |
| 15:31.50 | miss | and howdy Scan OCR and do ebook ? |
| 15:31.53 | Phated | FiSSH would be cool, if KDE wanted to be Gollum. |
| 15:31.57 | jethro | asg: is taht some kind of ftpfs but for ssh ? |
| 15:32.12 | asg | jethro: dunno, never heard of it myself. |
| 15:32.29 | POVaddct | there is also shfs |
| 15:32.29 | cozwei | i guess it's just how you can address paths on other servers |
| 15:32.34 | doleyb | jethro: its not an fs, its just a plugin for the kde filemanager that lets it get via ssh instead of fs. |
| 15:32.35 | POVaddct | shfs.sf.net |
| 15:32.35 | asg | !info kio-fish |
| 15:32.45 | jethro | doleyb: aight |
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| 15:32.53 | cozwei | after you type fish://user@host/path you will be asked for password and be there |
| 15:32.55 | doleyb | jethro: if it were an fs, it wouldn't be convenient for non-root people to reach servers. |
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| 15:33.13 | jethro | doleyb: what does root have to do with this? |
| 15:33.15 | asg | cozwei: I'd ask in #debian-kde, looks like it's something from kde 2.0 |
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| 15:33.22 | jethro | cozwei: you want pubkey authentication :) |
| 15:33.23 | drac | apt-get install shfs-utils module-assistant && m-a a-i shfs.. modprobe shfs.. shfsmount username@remotehost:/remotedirectory /localdirectory |
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| 15:33.32 | doleyb | jethro: if it were an fs, non-root couldn't mount it |
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| 15:33.43 | jethro | doleyb: unless fstab'ed |
| 15:33.50 | jethro | anyways |
| 15:34.04 | doleyb | jethro: and that's not useful, because who wants to ask root to change fstab just to connect to a pc |
| 15:34.05 | jethro | I m bored and have last meeting starting in 5 minutes |
| 15:34.07 | jethro | have a nice week end |
| 15:34.11 | POVaddct | doleyb: actually shfsmount allows mounts by non-root users, but only they are owner of the mount point |
| 15:34.15 | asg | jethro: later |
| 15:34.19 | Spods | bubye jethro |
| 15:34.24 | cozwei | jethro: no, i want kiosk-admin-tool and kat wants FiSH ;-) |
| 15:34.24 | POVaddct | doleyb: (if shfsmount is set suid root) |
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| 15:34.30 | miss | so debian isnt the name of my favorite newbie-start-distribution, easy to install and has all i want (runs some gl games, can scan print, sound, video, apache, compiler, gimp, blender, blah) aint ? what cd image shall i download and burn for my lonely offline computer at home ??? |
| 15:34.32 | jethro | :) |
| 15:34.39 | miss | :\ |
| 15:34.39 | hyde | Can I configure sendmail to replace some embeded URL address in email content with another URL for emails sent from a specified email address? |
| 15:34.43 | jethro | miss: ubuntu |
| 15:34.50 | Spods | miss: not really no |
| 15:34.50 | kamela | SLACKWARE |
| 15:35.04 | petemc | hyde: an MTA shouldnt touch a messages body |
| 15:35.08 | asg | hyde: that's not the job of the mta. #sendmail might have ideas though |
| 15:35.12 | jethro | miss: ubuntu and mandriva would be your best bets |
| 15:35.14 | jethro | now |
| 15:35.23 | petemc | fg jethro |
| 15:35.24 | hyde | I can't change the email-sending program's source code, so I guess maybe sendmail can be used for this. |
| 15:35.25 | CrypticSquare | miss dont download, buy a really long cable! |
| 15:35.30 | asg | kill %1 |
| 15:35.33 | petemc | :) |
| 15:35.36 | doleyb | POVaddct: regular mount should've been like that. |
| 15:35.40 | agnostikal | which debian version should i snatch? 3.0r5? |
| 15:35.47 | Phated | !d-i agnostikal |
| 15:35.47 | miss | will it work with xfree86 and will i be able to for example play quake2 Doom2 ? |
| 15:35.48 | dpkg | agnostikal, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:35.48 | asg | agnostikal: sarge (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 15:36.05 | CrypticSquare | agnostikal, unbuntu |
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| 15:36.13 | Phated | Ubuntu's on xorg, isn't it? |
| 15:36.22 | miss | thats some side point of an offline peoples desire |
| 15:36.24 | kbrooks | !based |
| 15:36.26 | kbrooks | hmm |
| 15:36.30 | asg | kbrooks: debian based |
| 15:36.37 | agnostikal | i need to find me a debian dvd image (without the use of jigdo) |
| 15:36.38 | kbrooks | !debian based |
| 15:36.38 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 15:36.43 | agnostikal | any ideas? |
| 15:36.50 | kbrooks | @ Phated |
| 15:36.59 | Phated | Oy. |
| 15:37.12 | Phated | It was a comment. |
| 15:37.20 | braindead_moron | Strangeness, suddenly none of my Sawfish shortucts work, when I run xev and hit the functions keys, it sais "no symbol".. I haven't messed with my keymappings, any ideas on WTF is going on? |
| 15:37.28 | miss | so i`ll choice ubuntu |
| 15:37.41 | Phated | And go to #ubuntu. |
| 15:37.46 | asg | miss: then make sure #ubuntu takes care of your tech support needs |
| 15:37.57 | Spods | miss: probably best bet, it's a consumer oriented linux distro based on debian |
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| 15:38.14 | braindead_moron | Rather none of my sawfish shortucts involving the function keys work, other shortcuts work as expected |
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| 15:38.45 | Spods | i've been working in commerce too long - consumer oriented - i should bring out the buzzword bingo |
| 15:38.48 | Spods | card |
| 15:39.15 | Phated | Actually, it's oriented at the new desktop user. |
| 15:39.21 | CrypticSquare | no more beer.. time for bed.. night all |
| 15:39.27 | kamela | come on "middleware!" |
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| 15:39.31 | braindead_moron | XEV reports keycode 187 for F1, but claims "NoSymbol" |
| 15:39.32 | miss | okay |
| 15:39.41 | Spods | Phated: yep, mass consumers |
| 15:39.47 | braindead_moron | sounds like I'm talking to myself.... |
| 15:39.55 | Phated | Spods: That would be the "Windows" people. |
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| 15:40.19 | miss | thanks. and there goes another debian friend. see ya in the future (when im a noob no more) |
| 15:40.34 | Subvertir | look at that nub go |
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| 15:40.47 | Spods | Phated: well true, but they're being converted one by one ;) |
| 15:40.51 | miss | h? |
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| 15:41.13 | Spods | who's got nubs? |
| 15:41.23 | Phated | Everyone? |
| 15:41.35 | Phated | Spods: Which largely explains the presence of several idiots. |
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| 15:42.05 | Spods | i'm pretty sure we have different definitions of 'nub' then |
| 15:42.23 | Phated | Look down. |
| 15:42.41 | Subvertir | you're right |
| 15:42.42 | kamela | rub my nub |
| 15:42.48 | Phated | Perverts. |
| 15:42.58 | agnostikal | lol |
| 15:43.00 | Spods | hahaha, i only just got that. i *must* be tired |
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| 15:43.19 | blechx | anyone else having problems with latest firefox in unstable? |
| 15:43.20 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 15:43.25 | Phated | Not me. |
| 15:43.29 | drac | blechx: BTS |
| 15:43.33 | bob2 | tarzeau: 0 |
| 15:43.33 | kamela | like what blechx? |
| 15:43.49 | Phated | bob2: No boomerangs? :( |
| 15:44.03 | bob2 | Phated: well, I've seen them |
| 15:44.07 | bob2 | and seen people throw them |
| 15:44.12 | Phated | bob2: But you don't use them? They are sexay! |
| 15:44.15 | bob2 | but we only throw them when needed |
| 15:44.16 | cozwei | asg jethro: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2005/04/hotel-rwanda-fish-fdo.html <-- here you find something about fish, just search the site for it |
| 15:44.23 | bob2 | Phated: only when neccessary |
| 15:44.29 | Phated | bob2: Define. |
| 15:44.31 | blechx | drac, thx. im new here |
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| 15:44.38 | bob2 | Phated: like, if I'm hungray and there's a koala in a distant tree |
| 15:44.47 | bob2 | Phated: then a boomerang might be neccessary |
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| 15:44.49 | Phated | bob2: You EAT koalas? |
| 15:44.55 | Phated | But they're cute! |
| 15:45.01 | bob2 | Phated: they taste like chicken |
| 15:45.06 | Spods | don't forget tasty |
| 15:45.09 | nagual | boomerangs? |
| 15:45.18 | Phated | bob2: Chicken tastes like chicken, and they're not half as cute. :) |
| 15:45.23 | Subvertir | if you don't get the children, they'll come back and get you |
| 15:45.28 | bob2 | Phated: true |
| 15:45.43 | nagual | eating a koala is like eating an inphant |
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| 15:45.52 | Phated | bob2: It's legal and all, though? Meaning a curious traveller could sample some roast koala? |
| 15:45.52 | bob2 | or an emu |
| 15:45.52 | Spods | done that too |
| 15:45.55 | bob2 | they taste good |
| 15:45.58 | bob2 | Phated: sure |
| 15:45.59 | Phated | Emu are good. |
| 15:46.05 | bob2 | Phated: I mean, if they don't kill you |
| 15:46.08 | Phated | bob2: Brilliant! |
| 15:46.20 | Phated | bob2: Emu or koala? |
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| 15:46.42 | Spods | Phated: I'm not sure you can legally kill a koala |
| 15:46.44 | Phated | Heheh, I've turned the whole conversation offtopic with one comment. Go me. |
| 15:46.51 | Phated | Spods: I wouldn't know. Ask bob2. |
| 15:46.54 | olle_ | i can bring on topic again |
| 15:46.56 | olle_ | ;> |
| 15:47.04 | Phated | You know not of whom you mess with. |
| 15:47.09 | Spods | in fact you not suppossed to kill roo either |
| 15:47.17 | Phated | I've never had roo. |
| 15:47.19 | Spods | but that never stopped a gun owner |
| 15:47.21 | bob2 | Phated: koala's are nothing but trouble |
| 15:47.24 | Phated | I believe I've had ostrich. |
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| 15:47.30 | Phated | bob2: I... see. |
| 15:47.31 | bob2 | Phated: piss one off, and say goodbye to your face |
| 15:47.32 | Spods | roo is the best meat i've ever tasted |
| 15:47.41 | nagual | !dict roo |
| 15:47.43 | dpkg | could not find definition for roo |
| 15:47.44 | Phated | bob2: Ahhh. |
| 15:47.48 | nagual | whats a roo? |
| 15:47.55 | olle_ | i am having a problem with my audio... i'm using 2.6.10 (and .11 and some others)... the sound worked just fine with the netinstall default kernel but after i compiled a new kernel the audio didn't work at all... |
| 15:47.58 | Spods | nagual: short for kangaroo |
| 15:48.04 | nagual | oh. |
| 15:48.04 | olle_ | i have an via82xx chipset |
| 15:48.07 | nagual | thanks |
| 15:48.20 | Phated | bob2: It would feel odd eating a koala, though, my dad has a picture of him holding one when he was in Aussieland, I'd keep wondering if they were like distant relations. |
| 15:48.22 | Subvertir | olle_, modprobe cmipci |
| 15:48.30 | olle_ | 8237 i believe.... i loaded the modules i needed but i couldn't change the volume and pcm from 100% in the mixer |
| 15:48.40 | olle_ | Subvertir: what's that? |
| 15:48.41 | Spods | Phated: ostrich is good too, emu is sort of the same thing |
| 15:48.45 | bob2 | Phated: they're dumb as well as agressive |
| 15:48.48 | olle_ | cmpci, that is.. |
| 15:48.51 | Phated | Spods: Ostrich was very much good. |
| 15:48.56 | Phated | bob2: But cute. |
| 15:49.17 | bob2 | Phated: as long as you don't have to smell them |
| 15:49.18 | Phated | Spods: Is it true croc tastes like chicken, too? |
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| 15:49.28 | asg | Phated: as well as snake |
| 15:49.32 | bob2 | Phated: eating nothing but eucalyptus is not good for one's digestive tract |
| 15:49.34 | Phated | bob2: I've never met a cute animal that didn't smell. |
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| 15:49.40 | nagual | croc is pretty good, dont know about the chicken thing though. |
| 15:49.43 | Phated | asg: Snake? Which type? |
| 15:49.48 | Spods | Phated: yep, for $9 a skewer with three tiny pieces of meat you can buy it at a butcher here |
| 15:49.51 | bob2 | Phated: mice don't smell too vad |
| 15:50.00 | Phated | bob2: You go around sniffing mice? |
| 15:50.02 | olle_ | Subvertir: after the audio didn't work with my new kernel i apt-get install:ed the kernel image of 2.6.10-1-k7.. it didn't work with that one either.. and then i booted the original kernel and it still didn't work.. so it seems that there's some software that i have installed that's causing the problem? |
| 15:50.03 | Phated | xD |
| 15:50.05 | asg | Phated: they are all about the same. |
| 15:50.10 | bob2 | Phated: sometimes |
| 15:50.10 | Phated | Spods: Ah. |
| 15:50.11 | agnostikal | damn debian has so many cd's |
| 15:50.16 | olle_ | but the only alsa related software i have installed is the alsa-base package |
| 15:50.18 | Phated | asg: Oh. |
| 15:50.27 | Spods | Phated: so in that case, it's just easier to buy a chook |
| 15:50.31 | Phated | bob2: Fair enough. Can't say I've sniffed one. |
| 15:50.36 | Phated | Spods: Agreed. |
| 15:50.38 | asg | Phated: rattlesnake meat is only $40 per lb |
| 15:50.54 | Phated | asg: With the rattle as a free toy? :) |
| 15:51.04 | Phated | OY. |
| 15:51.05 | asg | Phated: pre-skinned |
| 15:51.16 | scarynetworkguy | Buffalo. All kinds of yummy. |
| 15:51.21 | Phated | asg: No rattle? |
| 15:51.21 | asg | scarynetworkguy: I agree there |
| 15:51.29 | Phated | x^equa|s1: Don't do that. |
| 15:51.32 | caphuso | x^equa|s1: enough |
| 15:51.34 | asg | x^equa|s1: once was enough |
| 15:51.35 | Phated | bioanarchism: Hey, whassup. |
| 15:51.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 15:51.56 | Spods | actually once was too much |
| 15:52.01 | caphuso | australians... |
| 15:52.01 | asg | Phated: you can probably get the rattles all over texas; ask nvz sometime. |
| 15:52.09 | Phated | asg: Cool! |
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| 15:52.12 | Spods | caphuso: you rang? |
| 15:52.28 | caphuso | Spods: YHBT, YHL, HAND ;-) |
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| 15:52.39 | Phated | What does HAND stand for? |
| 15:52.44 | bob2 | have a nice day |
| 15:52.44 | bioanarchism | sup Phated |
| 15:52.46 | caphuso | Hand A Nice Day |
| 15:52.49 | bob2 | alsom x^equa|s1 is from my toen |
| 15:52.50 | SlayerXP | Phated: Has a Nice D*** |
| 15:52.50 | caphuso | err, Have |
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| 15:52.51 | bioanarchism | just craning up my network. |
| 15:52.52 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 15:52.54 | bob2 | so I'm doubly ashamed |
| 15:52.54 | miss | those torrents really slow down my connection |
| 15:52.57 | bioanarchism | *cranking |
| 15:52.59 | kbrooks | dpkg: yhbt |
| 15:52.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, yhbt is You Have Been Trolled |
| 15:53.01 | Spods | caphuso: ok it's been a while since irc'd, cause i didn't understand any one of those acronyms |
| 15:53.02 | Phated | bioanarchism: Cool. |
| 15:53.03 | kbrooks | dpkg: yhl |
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| 15:53.18 | bioanarchism | Phated: how's it been for you today? |
| 15:53.21 | Phated | Spods: You Have Been Trolled, You Have Lost, Have A Nice Day. |
| 15:54.00 | Spods | Phated: do i grow the big horns now and avert sunlight? define have been tolled. |
| 15:54.04 | Spods | trolled even |
| 15:54.09 | kbrooks | Phated: ic |
| 15:54.12 | Phated | Spods: You were baited. |
| 15:54.13 | asg | Spods: google for the jargon file |
| 15:54.17 | Phated | Spods: And responded. |
| 15:54.20 | caphuso | jargon file++ |
| 15:54.24 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 15:54.59 | Spods | asg: i should, but i'm apt-get dist-upgrading on a 56k modem, web downloads at this point aren't impressive |
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| 15:55.13 | Phated | Spods: apt-get install dict-jargon. ;) |
| 15:55.16 | Spods | Phated: thanks. i guess now i wish i hadn't asked |
| 15:55.29 | Phated | Spods: You can then do "dict troll". :) |
| 15:55.50 | Spods | yeah, i'll put that one on the list of "ToDo" ;) |
| 15:55.58 | Phated | Hah. |
| 15:56.03 | caphuso | also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll |
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| 15:56.48 | usn | hi folx |
| 15:56.51 | asg | Spods: well, you can stop the upgrade. Find info. and continue again afterwards if you like. |
| 15:57.14 | Phated | Or you could install dict-jargon. Useful little thing. |
| 15:57.18 | Spods | asg: true, true, all good suggestions |
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| 15:57.43 | mirak | hi |
| 15:57.52 | bioanarchism | root? what did momma said about not logging on as root? |
| 15:57.55 | mirak | does anyone managed to compile the module called usbvision ? |
| 15:58.10 | doub | !anyone |
| 15:58.10 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:59.26 | doub | mirak: explain your problem, maybe someone can help you. the way you ask prevents you to have a meaningful answer soon |
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| 15:59.57 | Gnea | omg |
| 16:00.00 | Gnea | i can see my usb devices |
| 16:00.09 | mirak | doub: yes, but I am not sure someone that didn't tried to compile it could help much, but we will see :) |
| 16:00.17 | Gnea | !tell mirak about ask |
| 16:00.26 | wpostma | Anyone know how I can hook a dynamic-dns update script to be run automatically after PPP comes up. On my system, "pon" brings up a ppp dsl link. |
| 16:00.37 | mirak | doub: usbvision is a module for the usb capture card, based on Zoran stuffs |
| 16:00.45 | caphuso | wpostma: /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 16:00.51 | TerminX | wpostma: ddclient can monitor interfaces I think |
| 16:01.02 | caphuso | ddclient comes with one premade |
| 16:01.26 | mirak | doub: I tried to compile, but the errors are types errors. It's not just deps errors that I could fix with the dpkg utils. At least it doesn't appear to be that |
| 16:01.34 | wpostma | thanks caphuso |
| 16:01.58 | mirak | of course I posted on the sourceforge forum. I will just have to be patient |
| 16:02.17 | doub | mirak: paste your compilation output (/msg dpkg paster) |
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| 16:03.47 | Spods | what's running dpkg? i mean the nick, not the package management system |
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| 16:04.02 | Dabian | It works! It works! |
| 16:04.04 | asg | Spods: it's a blootboot |
| 16:04.07 | asg | s/boot/bot/ |
| 16:04.10 | bob2 | spiorf: dondelelcaro, it's a bot |
| 16:04.12 | Dabian | It works! |
| 16:04.29 | Spods | asg: thanks, i'll look it up |
| 16:04.32 | Dabian | bob2 : Don Armstrong is really a bot? What kinda joke is this? |
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| 16:05.21 | davis | hello |
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| 16:05.46 | mirak | doub: http://channels.debian.net/paste/95 |
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| 16:05.53 | goron | I downloaded a evolution configuration, and put it in my homedir, but when I start evolution is acts like there's nothing configured. There's nobody in #evolution. |
| 16:06.15 | bioanarchism | that's 'cause they have been acquired |
| 16:06.28 | Dabian | goron : You're using a new version of evolution. 2.something. |
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| 16:06.46 | tekalpha | hi all |
| 16:06.48 | Dabian | goron : You should use 1.4 or something. |
| 16:06.52 | davis | goron: do an strace on evolution and see where it is looking for config files. |
| 16:06.53 | Dabian | goron : Shame on you. |
| 16:07.11 | Dabian | davis : No need .. there is a conversion script somewhere. |
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| 16:07.31 | Dabian | davis : I think the format changed, so he can't simply move the stuff. |
| 16:07.36 | gnat_x | i did the first half of a net install weeks ago, and the second half last night. in the interim i forgot root. how do you boot to single-user mode without it asking for root pwd? |
| 16:07.48 | gnat_x | this is sarge and grub |
| 16:07.49 | asg | gnat_x: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 16:07.50 | Dabian | davis : I guess even. |
| 16:08.07 | mutante | whats "APIC" again? I get "APIC error on CPU0 00(02) |
| 16:08.07 | Dabian | Hehehe .. an idiot forgot the root password? |
| 16:08.18 | teknoprep | its power control = apic |
| 16:08.24 | teknoprep | www.google.com / what is apic |
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| 16:08.44 | gnat_x | asg: will that work with grub? |
| 16:08.47 | davis | mutante: its Advance Programmable Interrupt Controller. |
| 16:08.48 | mutante | i get quite a few APIC errors while copying from USB mass storage to internal IDE...hmm,can i ignore them |
| 16:08.50 | Dabian | gnat_x : You shouldn't forget the root password, I hope you learn it now. |
| 16:08.52 | asg | gnat_x: yes, there is a bit in there for grub |
| 16:09.05 | teknoprep | oh i rad that backwards hehe |
| 16:09.07 | davis | mutante: do you have APIC support in your kernel? |
| 16:09.20 | Dabian | gnat_x : Don't worry about me laughing at you, I did the same once, probably .. |
| 16:09.35 | davis | apci is power control |
| 16:09.38 | asg | Dabian: it happens frequently enough that we have a factoid for it |
| 16:09.39 | davis | err, acpi |
| 16:09.42 | teknoprep | yeah i know now |
| 16:09.45 | teknoprep | i read it backwards |
| 16:09.47 | mutante | davis: i would need to check in modconf, its the kernel from a sarge netinstall image |
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| 16:09.53 | gnat_x | Dabian: yah, its been a while since i've forgotten one. but i only typed it twice ever 3 weeks ago. |
| 16:09.54 | Dabian | asg : Its still funny as coitus, though. :-) |
| 16:10.10 | streuner_ | !lart Dabian |
| 16:10.16 | asg | Dabian: coitus is only funny when fluffy toys are involved |
| 16:10.23 | mirak | when I compile a module, do I need to use the SAME compiler than the Kernel was compiled with ? |
| 16:10.25 | Phated | asg: ... |
| 16:10.42 | Dabian | asg : They aren't always? :-P |
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| 16:10.50 | asg | Dabian: or doing whipped cream with the lactose intolerant |
| 16:10.52 | frop | lo |
| 16:10.56 | davis | mutante: i doubt it can be configured as a module. |
| 16:11.01 | linuxfreck | mirak: yes |
| 16:11.12 | davis | mutante: im trying to figure how how to get you the info. hold on. |
| 16:11.22 | mirak | linuxfreck: ok, this was my error then :) |
| 16:11.22 | asg | Phated: he was too much of a prude to say funny as fuck |
| 16:11.26 | frop | someone is using a Westell Wirespeed 2100? Can you tell me the specs of Power supply? 12V...but how many ampere? |
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| 16:11.33 | mutante | thanks davis |
| 16:11.40 | Dabian | asg : What is a prude? |
| 16:11.45 | asg | !dict prude |
| 16:11.46 | davis | mirak: for your question, yes. |
| 16:11.47 | dpkg | Dictionary 'prude' Prude \Prude\, n. [F., prudish, originally, discreet, modest; shortened from OF. prudefeme, preudefeme, a discreet or excellent woman; OF. preu, prou, excellent, brave + de of + fete woman. See Prow, a., Prowess.] A woman of affected modesty, reserve, or coyness; one who is overscrupulous or sensitive; one who affects extraordinary prudence in conduct and speech. |
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| 16:12.07 | Dabian | asg : Ahh .. thanks :) |
| 16:12.10 | mirak | davis: gcc was on gcc4 I switched to gcc3.4 |
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| 16:12.15 | MASoft | anybody know a Debian Sarge VPS ? (and of course, it must be cheap :P ) |
| 16:12.20 | coywolf | anyone is interested in helping me with my english? |
| 16:12.31 | asg | coywolf: have you tried #english? |
| 16:13.01 | asg | hmrf, there used to be more people in there. |
| 16:13.01 | Gnea | coywolf: how much you paying? |
| 16:13.04 | mutante | davis: 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 16:13.19 | coywolf | asg Gnea just correct some sentences |
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| 16:14.00 | asg | coywolf: if 'some' is less than 5 or so, you can /msg me |
| 16:14.10 | Gnea | coywolf: oh, like this: how much are you going to pay me to help you? :) |
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| 16:14.16 | Phated | asg: Ah. |
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| 16:14.25 | Spods | hehe |
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| 16:14.56 | asg | coywolf: or if you want to put them online, I can take a look. |
| 16:15.12 | Phated | I'm free, /msg me with the sentences. |
| 16:15.12 | davis | mutante: im looking at a 2.6 kernel, I think you can do this for 2.4 |
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| 16:15.26 | davis | mutante: cat /proc/ksymsall | grep acpi |
| 16:15.32 | Gnea | i'd be free too if i didn't have a full plate today |
| 16:15.42 | Dabian | Phated : "me" just logged off. |
| 16:15.47 | davis | err, apic |
| 16:15.52 | coywolf | asg, i've just /msg |
| 16:15.55 | davis | does it list any symbols? |
| 16:16.02 | Phated | Dabian: One can only hope. |
| 16:16.05 | asg | coywolf: oh, you're probably not registered |
| 16:16.10 | asg | coywolf: try again |
| 16:16.10 | Dabian | Phated :-P |
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| 16:17.04 | mutante | davis: i dont have "ksymsall" but only "ksyms", cat /proc/ksyms | grep acpi | wc -l = 69 lines |
| 16:17.27 | davis | mutante: ok. my bad, do the same with apic |
| 16:17.37 | MASoft | where can I find the list of non-free programs of Debian ? |
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| 16:17.56 | mutante | davis: oops, oh well, no result then |
| 16:18.10 | davis | ok, you dont have any apic support in your kernel. |
| 16:18.26 | davis | in my 2.6, i have io_apic_xxx calls. |
| 16:18.30 | mutante | at least i learned how to find out now ;) |
| 16:18.35 | davis | i would think in 2.4 you would have them as well. |
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| 16:19.29 | Dabian | I prefer 2.6 though. |
| 16:19.29 | Dabian | Its newer. |
| 16:19.30 | Spodzilla | Its buggier |
| 16:19.30 | mutante | well, its not a desktop, but supposed to be a server only, so i thought... |
| 16:20.12 | mutante | i just ask myself whether i can ignore the apic errors,or if it messes something up if i dont compile it |
| 16:20.46 | mutante | besides being annoying in this irc session ..popping into my text |
| 16:20.53 | davis | your box will work the same with or without. however, the apic is the newer interrupt controller. |
| 16:21.02 | davis | it may be faster. dont know. |
| 16:21.10 | asg | mutante: you can prevent the kernel spewing your console (/msg dpkg klogd) |
| 16:21.19 | davis | add support do some disk tests and tell us what the diff is. |
| 16:22.02 | mutante | as long as it doesnt endanger data integrity i dont care so much about speed.. |
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| 16:22.08 | mutante | thanks asg, will do |
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| 16:22.29 | ecivo | which is the name of the java-jre package again (no matter if sun or other) |
| 16:22.42 | asg | ecivo: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:22.57 | Spods | hrmm.. when will my tetex-extra download finish? |
| 16:23.12 | asg | Spods: there should be a percentage or time to go listed |
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| 16:23.53 | w00t | how i install quicktime? |
| 16:23.56 | Spods | asg: i was actually be rhetorical, but thanks |
| 16:24.04 | asg | w00t: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:24.06 | asg | Spods: :) |
| 16:24.42 | asg | w00t: you might also check into xine and vlc (for other movie players.) |
| 16:24.44 | Spods | asg: 10Mb for tetex which i don't even use, i might just purge it instead |
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| 16:24.59 | asg | Spods: no use having things you don't use. |
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| 16:25.25 | w00t | ok |
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| 16:25.49 | Spods | asg: yup, this box must be like 6 years old, it's the cruftiest thing i've ever seen in a long time |
| 16:26.18 | asg | Spods: my 200Mhz / 48M dell gateway is like that, but it still runs like a beast. |
| 16:26.47 | lunaphyte | i'm just getting ready to attach a ups to my server - which software should i use? |
| 16:27.22 | lunaphyte | meaning apcupsd vs. upsd v.s nut... |
| 16:27.33 | asg | lunaphyte: try them all, but either should work |
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| 16:27.54 | lunaphyte | any compelling reason(s) one might go with one over the others? |
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| 16:28.00 | gathond | lunaphyte: apcupsd works fine for me |
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| 16:28.42 | w00t | whats this |
| 16:28.43 | asg | lunaphyte: as long as they work, it doesn't really matter. Some have added stuff like cgi interfaces, etc. |
| 16:28.45 | w00t | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the list directory E: Invalid operation istall |
| 16:28.54 | asg | w00t: apt-get install ... |
| 16:28.58 | asg | w00t: not istall |
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| 16:29.09 | w00t | oh |
| 16:29.11 | asg | w00t: oh, and make sure you are root when you do it |
| 16:29.12 | Micro_ | How do I send messages between terminals |
| 16:29.17 | asg | Micro_: man write |
| 16:29.20 | lunaphyte | asg: which has cgi? |
| 16:29.21 | Spods | asg: hehe. the beauty of an operating system that can scale down in size. |
| 16:29.35 | asg | lunaphyte: apcupsd-cgi |
| 16:29.37 | lunaphyte | asg: i'd really like the info to be web accessible |
| 16:29.41 | lunaphyte | asg: ok - thanks |
| 16:29.43 | asg | Spods: agreed |
| 16:29.48 | Spods | w00t: sudo would be better though |
| 16:29.49 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 16:30.26 | strk | I'm getting crazy with all this printing system changes, what should I install as a debian package to get the good old plain 'lpd'? |
| 16:30.44 | asg | strk: lpr |
| 16:30.55 | strk | Errors were encountered while processing: cupsys |
| 16:31.03 | w00t | Reading Package Lists... Done E: Invalid operation istall |
| 16:31.15 | asg | w00t: paste the command you are typing. |
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| 16:31.17 | strk | argh! install lpr requires me to also upgrade libc6 (I hate this) |
| 16:31.26 | asg | strk: then you've bobbited your box |
| 16:31.29 | strk | previous was: apt-get install lprng |
| 16:31.30 | kamela | anyone else have garbage connection to ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 16:31.39 | Spods | w00t: are you using istall or install? |
| 16:31.41 | w00t | sudo apt-get update ; apt-get istall Cinelerra |
| 16:31.47 | strk | asg, I manually installed a new compiler |
| 16:31.48 | asg | kamela: nope |
| 16:31.56 | kamela | nm it's just me |
| 16:32.00 | w00t | sudo apt-get update ; apt-get install Cinelerra |
| 16:32.04 | strk | libc needs probably an upgrade, but I just don't want apt to do it now |
| 16:32.15 | asg | strk: apt-get install ... foo should never require a libc6 upgrade (unless it's a security fix.) |
| 16:32.20 | strk | Cinerella ?? |
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| 16:32.27 | strk | might be asg |
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| 16:32.32 | w00t | i need a video player |
| 16:32.36 | strk | installed one is |
| 16:32.38 | Spods | w00t: sudp apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install Cinelerra |
| 16:32.39 | strk | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 16:32.53 | Spods | sudo instead of sudp |
| 16:33.03 | Anders1 | :P |
| 16:33.03 | asg | w00t: you need sudo in the second stanza also |
| 16:33.07 | strk | ii libc6-dev 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Hea |
| 16:33.12 | asg | strk: that's old |
| 16:33.17 | w00t | Reading Package Lists... Done E: Invalid operation istall |
| 16:33.18 | strk | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 16:33.18 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.18 | asg | strk: sid and sarge are now on -21 |
| 16:33.26 | strk | asg: that means ? |
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| 16:33.35 | strk | can I safely upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev ? |
| 16:33.42 | asg | strk: yes, in this instance you can |
| 16:33.43 | mirak | why isn't /dev just a ramdisk instead of real files on the harddrive ? |
| 16:33.46 | Dabian | Hey germans, can you tell me if its right that tempus is treated differently for different casus, or how is german grammar? Its been too long since I was teached it! |
| 16:33.46 | Spods | w00t: istall is meant to be install |
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| 16:34.02 | asg | asg@rob:~$ du -hs /dev |
| 16:34.02 | asg | 104K /dev |
| 16:34.08 | asg | mirak: that's not a lot of space |
| 16:34.09 | strk | ok. finger crossed |
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| 16:34.36 | Dabian | asg : Nah .. would fit on a flobby for C=64, I deem. ;-) |
| 16:34.40 | mirak | asg: I was thinking the opposite. |
| 16:34.52 | mirak | asg: if it's not lot of space, then why not put it in ram |
| 16:34.59 | mirak | for speed reasons |
| 16:35.01 | mirak | I don't know |
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| 16:35.05 | mirak | like /proc |
| 16:35.17 | Dabian | mirak: You were thinking wrong. That way the kernel would have to deal with it. |
| 16:35.18 | asg | mirak: you wouldn't get a speed benefit and it would have to be in ram early during the boot process. |
| 16:35.19 | mirak | could be also, but it's biggeer |
| 16:35.23 | gathond | mirak: because it was needed to be consistent |
| 16:35.28 | Dabian | mirak : It will be using cache anyhow. |
| 16:35.34 | asg | Dabian: I had a 1M drive for my c64 |
| 16:35.34 | mirak | ok |
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| 16:35.38 | w00t | i need a damn video player aaahhhrrrr |
| 16:35.50 | Dabian | asg : 1001 ? |
| 16:35.50 | gathond | mirak: over reboots, it is only recent kernels that have /dev as a dynamic filesystem maintained automagically |
| 16:35.52 | asg | w00t: su - (type root's password) apt-get install ... |
| 16:35.52 | BibTeX | v00t: xine |
| 16:35.59 | asg | Dabian: 1.2 |
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| 16:36.06 | w00t | i wanna watch porn now |
| 16:36.08 | Dabian | asg : 1.2? |
| 16:36.11 | stouset | !troll w00t |
| 16:36.13 | mirak | gathond: ok |
| 16:36.17 | Dabian | w00t : apt-get install pornview |
| 16:36.21 | asg | Dabian: sorry, didn't see that as a model number. |
| 16:36.22 | w00t | lol |
| 16:36.32 | Dabian | asg : Ahh ok :) |
| 16:36.45 | Dabian | asg : 1001, 1.2 Megabytes? |
| 16:36.47 | rue_mohr | I'm building a new system from packages and stuff, I'm using lilo, but I have no boot.b or map file..... according to the package search, those files dont exist in any package, how are they created? |
| 16:36.55 | Spods | w00t: xine should let you watch movies |
| 16:37.18 | Dabian | Spods : Well, if he specificly wants to watch obscene stuff, I guess pornview is what he wants. |
| 16:37.38 | Spods | is that actually a package name? or a gag |
| 16:37.46 | strk | lpr: cannot open /var/spool/lpd/npr/.seq: Permission denied |
| 16:37.48 | Dabian | Spods : apt-cache show pornview |
| 16:37.59 | Dabian | !maint pornview |
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| 16:38.03 | kamela | lol yes |
| 16:38.03 | Spods | haha |
| 16:38.04 | dpkg | pornview: Brian Nelson <pyro@debian.org> |
| 16:38.10 | coruptkid | when i perform a "make bzImage" i get do_mmap_pgoff errors "incompatible pointer type... -> pointer without casting... -> too few arguements to function", how do i fix this?? |
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| 16:38.19 | strk | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root lp 24568 May 2 00:57 /usr/bin/lpr* |
| 16:38.25 | asg | coruptkid: what kernel? |
| 16:38.34 | kamela | i bet the mirrors are getting hammered for requests for pornview |
| 16:38.36 | coruptkid | asg: 2.6.0 |
| 16:38.41 | Dabian | Spods : I think its handy for both images and flics. |
| 16:38.44 | wpostma | From "apt-cache show pornview" --> "unattended presentation of images for hands-free viewing." :-O |
| 16:38.46 | drac | 2.6.0 :DD |
| 16:38.48 | asg | coruptkid: erm 2.6.11 is out you know |
| 16:38.49 | strk | drwx------ 2 lp lp 4096 May 6 18:29 /var/spool/lpd/npr/ |
| 16:38.59 | asg | coruptkid: and why are you compiling a kernel anyway? |
| 16:39.01 | Dabian | wpostma : heh .. thats humor :) |
| 16:39.03 | w00t | why this crap is so hard to update |
| 16:39.15 | asg | w00t: because you aren't doing it properly |
| 16:39.17 | coruptkid | asg: i've patched it with UML |
| 16:39.37 | asg | coruptkid: for the host kernel or for uml kernels? |
| 16:39.44 | drac | coruptkid: whatever, but you don't want 2.6.0. |
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| 16:39.53 | coruptkid | asg: how come? |
| 16:39.54 | Dabian | w00t : If you try to drive a nail into the wall with a screwdriver, its going to be pretty hard. |
| 16:40.10 | jahi | Hi, can someone recommend a CD-Burning-Tool? |
| 16:40.16 | asg | jahi: cdrecord |
| 16:40.17 | kamela | blowtorch |
| 16:40.17 | Dabian | jahi : Yeah, I can. :) |
| 16:40.20 | wpostma | IMHO, gqview already did all that. so pornview has to be there just for humour. ;-) |
| 16:40.21 | MASoft | jahi, k3b :P |
| 16:40.40 | asg | !lesbian |
| 16:40.40 | dpkg | hmm... lesbian is probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/ |
| 16:40.41 | Dabian | wpostma : I must check that out. |
| 16:40.43 | wpostma | The debian porn suite is really gqview + pan (nntp newsreader). :-) |
| 16:41.00 | Spods | dabian: what a laugh, could you imaging adding that program to your resume - "Hobbies include bikeriding, skateboarding and maintaining open source software called Pornview" |
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| 16:41.15 | Dabian | Spods : heh :) |
| 16:41.16 | mutante | what would you use to verify if files copied correctly? diff? also on binary files? |
| 16:41.22 | asg | mutante: md5sum |
| 16:41.25 | kamela | methinks the ftp just got hammered for requests of pornview |
| 16:41.31 | jahi | thanks |
| 16:41.33 | w00t | i change my update source list its ok but i need to have xchat |
| 16:41.59 | strk | ags: lpr package requires cupsys |
| 16:42.04 | strk | Setting up cupsys (1.1.23-10) ... failure! |
| 16:42.16 | asg | !depends lpr |
| 16:42.20 | goron | Dabian: Uh, I think they are both 2.* |
| 16:42.23 | dpkg | lpr: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), netbase |
| 16:42.28 | mutante | asg: is there something that does it automatically on a recursive tree, while cp -r |
| 16:42.41 | asg | strk: no it doesn't. Fix your broken cupsys by purging it. |
| 16:42.52 | strk | dpkg --purge cupsys ? |
| 16:43.02 | asg | strk: apt-get remomve --purge cupsys |
| 16:43.18 | asg | mutante: you could probably write a script to do it easily |
| 16:43.20 | kamela | spelled correctly i assume |
| 16:43.22 | w00t | i dont have any thinking for irc chat room only java |
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| 16:43.35 | Dabian | Spods : Well . . there was a windows program once, that unofficially was called the pornviewer .. because it was extremely nice for watching pictures. All the guys compiling porn cd's were using it filter out the crap. So, when I saw porn view, I assumed it was a clone of that. It wasn't, but its still a handy program for looking at images and flicks. Its somewhat fragile though, and the name is also less than neutral, so I will try out gqview :) |
| 16:43.37 | asg | ENOPARSE |
| 16:43.53 | coruptkid | does kernel 2.6.11 come with User Mode Linux up-to-date?? |
| 16:44.12 | w00t | i have kdfnel 2.6.11 |
| 16:44.18 | Dabian | coruptkid2: Sometimes, I presume. |
| 16:44.18 | w00t | kernel |
| 16:44.34 | Dabian | w00t! |
| 16:44.46 | coruptkid | Debian: Sometimes?? |
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| 16:44.47 | w00t | yeah |
| 16:44.51 | Spods | Dabian: you sound very familiar with this subject matter ;) |
| 16:44.52 | strk | how do I see full package name (dpkg -l truncates it to terminal width) |
| 16:44.58 | strk | rc cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4 Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS |
| 16:45.02 | Dabian | coruptkid2: You can get it without also. |
| 16:45.09 | Dabian | !tell Dabian about bold colon |
| 16:45.16 | Dabian | Good. |
| 16:45.19 | asg | strk: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 16:45.32 | asg | strk: and for 'rc' listings, use 'dpkg -P <foo>' |
| 16:45.48 | coruptkid | Debian: Not to sound stupid but how do you know if its got UML included if your just in the kernel archive?? |
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| 16:46.00 | mutante | asg: "du -s" on source and target tree do not report the same byte size, but i am guessing that doesnt necessarily mean its not the same, because source is FAT32 and target is ext3 ? or should it always report the same size independently from file system |
| 16:46.12 | w00t | does kernel 2.6.11 come with User Mode Linux up-to-date?? |
| 16:46.19 | asg | mutante: that I don't know offhand. |
| 16:46.26 | strk | thanks! |
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| 16:46.45 | strk | asg: last question :) how do I reconfigure an already installed package (lpr lost it's spool dir) |
| 16:46.50 | MASoft | sometimes 2000 ! sometimes 2038 ! how can I fix it ? |
| 16:47.09 | Dabian | Spods : Ahh splendid! gqview is better for my use! |
| 16:47.09 | Spods | strk: apt-get install lpr --reinstall |
| 16:47.14 | w00t | does kernel 2.6.11 come with User Mode Linux up-to-date?? |
| 16:47.33 | chealer | w00t: you seem to know a great deal about being annoying |
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| 16:47.49 | w00t | okay |
| 16:47.53 | Dabian | Spods : Except .. I miss the little thumbnails .. but maybe thats merely a configuration issue. |
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| 16:48.14 | w00t | i have kernel 2.6.11 its not updating |
| 16:48.19 | S4nD3r_ | Hi |
| 16:48.26 | mutante | asg: thanks for your help, im getting into the md5 script.. |
| 16:48.31 | teknoprep | i am having a hell of time getting debian to use dhcp on bootup for my nic cards... i am used to gentoo and rh systems... first off what file should i edit to configure eth0 to be dhcp...i am using dhcpcd as my dhcp-client |
| 16:48.36 | IDC | w00t, updating ? |
| 16:48.39 | strk | Bingo ! |
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| 16:48.44 | S4nD3r_ | I deleted a partition, than I don know if this partition is that where my system is installed. |
| 16:48.49 | S4nD3r_ | I used gpart |
| 16:48.51 | strk | thanks a lot asg ! |
| 16:48.58 | IDC | w00t, i am using 2.6.11.8,what's that 'updating' think about ? |
| 16:49.00 | S4nD3r_ | This didnt recover none partition |
| 16:49.03 | Spods | teknoprep: /etc/interfaces/network |
| 16:49.03 | IDC | think > thing |
| 16:49.06 | teknoprep | ty |
| 16:49.07 | coruptkid | is kernel 2.6.11.8 stable?? |
| 16:49.13 | S4nD3r_ | any sugesttion to recover those partitions? |
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| 16:49.29 | IDC | w00t, oh,sorry,wrong person |
| 16:49.29 | MASoft | coruptkid, I think 2.6.8 is stable ! |
| 16:49.32 | teknoprep | coruptkid i use it with my gentoo box.. runs great |
| 16:49.44 | goron | Dabian: you are right: it's 1.4.5 |
| 16:49.49 | lestest | hi there what is the option to make ls print symbols after filenames? |
| 16:49.55 | stew | !kernel of instability |
| 16:49.55 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
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| 16:50.08 | w00t | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
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| 16:50.12 | goron | Dabian: And how can I convert it to 2.*? |
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| 16:50.20 | stew | w00t: are you root? |
| 16:50.25 | w00t | yes |
| 16:50.27 | Goshawk | i need help with alioth system, can somebody here help me? |
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| 16:50.38 | stew | w00t: is there another apt-get / dpkg / dselect / whatever process running? |
| 16:50.47 | teknoprep | lol Goshawk .. you are asking to ask |
| 16:50.48 | teknoprep | bad |
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| 16:51.08 | Goshawk | the problem is that my ssh account is not created |
| 16:51.10 | IDC | lol |
| 16:51.17 | Goshawk | Could not chdir to home directory /var/lib/gforge/chroot/home/users/goshawk-guest: No such file or directory |
| 16:51.34 | Goshawk | when i try to log in with ssh |
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| 16:52.33 | w00t | is there is any problem if i update nmap |
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| 16:52.52 | teknoprep | wow alot of ppl here |
| 16:53.01 | teknoprep | hey w0ot .. is that you from windowsxp on efnet |
| 16:53.06 | IDC | w00t, try nessus |
| 16:53.20 | w00t | i have nessus |
| 16:53.28 | goron | How can I convert a 1.4.5 evolution configuration to a 2.*? |
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| 16:53.36 | Dabian | goron : I think there is a script or something .. no need to repeat. |
| 16:53.43 | IDC | w00t, i mean,use nessus to test your own site ,not on others |
| 16:53.56 | teknoprep | goron if they don;t supply a program to convert it.. you are going to have to look for one |
| 16:54.02 | Dabian | goron I think some of the first debian packages for 2.0 would convert it. |
| 16:54.05 | teknoprep | or just reconfigure |
| 16:54.12 | Spods | IDC: go the disclaimers :) |
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| 16:54.44 | asg | mutante: you're welcome |
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| 16:54.52 | IDC | Good night all,thanks for helps in the day |
| 16:54.58 | IDC | bye Spods :) |
| 16:55.06 | Spods | later IDC |
| 16:55.11 | asg | goron: try #novell |
| 16:55.31 | goron | teknoprep: The problem is that the imap server doesn't really shows it's list of supported security(Password, MD5, some other options). |
| 16:55.57 | goron | teknoprep: (With my new configuration) |
| 16:56.16 | Dabian | if someone uploaded a package, that would wipe / clean, I am pretty sure it would be a grave, or even critical error. For several reasons, I guess however, that the important one would be Policy Overriding? |
| 16:56.36 | Dabian | Policy breaking? |
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| 16:56.45 | asg | Dabian: /msg dpkg sid faq (see horrid bugs) |
| 16:56.52 | Dabian | asg : Thanks |
| 16:57.00 | w00t | do any one have john? |
| 16:57.09 | Dabian | w00t : There is a package called john? |
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| 16:57.20 | w00t | yes |
| 16:57.22 | asg | Dabian: john the ripper |
| 16:57.23 | Spods | w00t: you mean john the ripper? |
| 16:57.27 | w00t | yes |
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| 16:57.39 | teknoprep | yeah |
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| 16:57.56 | teknoprep | lol.. ever try and crack a 15 acsii character pw |
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| 16:58.03 | mutante | is "find directory | wc -l" a valid way to count the number of files in directory ? |
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| 16:58.07 | teknoprep | would take foerver.. i don't think there is enough time in the world |
| 16:58.11 | teknoprep | with just one computer |
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| 16:58.24 | asg | mutante: it depends on your definition of the word 'file' |
| 16:58.38 | Dabian | asg: Ahh .. the cracker! |
| 16:58.39 | gathond | teknoprep: all comes down to computing power and the algorithm used |
| 16:58.41 | stouset | Does anyone know the status of packaging Eclipse 3 on Debian? |
| 16:58.42 | asg | mutante: if it includes directories, devices, files, symlinks, etc, then yes. |
| 16:58.43 | mutante | asg: well, i have been told in linux everythin is a file |
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| 16:58.54 | asg | Dabian: yes |
| 16:58.54 | gathond | teknoprep: and luck, actually:) it might be the first one you try |
| 16:58.59 | w00t | i hate ssh |
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| 16:59.07 | teknoprep | haha gathound |
| 16:59.07 | asg | !hug ssh |
| 16:59.14 | Dabian | w00t : The feeling is most likely mutual. :-) |
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| 16:59.43 | gathond | teknoprep: old (pre MD5) crypts used only the first 8 chars |
| 16:59.46 | teknoprep | i have all 15 letter number and *&%&$ symbols in all my passwords |
| 16:59.47 | Spods | i couldn't live without ssh, telnet just make me feel unclean |
| 16:59.54 | mutante | asg: ok, then i will compare the result of that on source and target to verify if it has copied correctly (at least roughly), thanks again |
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| 17:00.05 | asg | mutante: :) |
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| 17:00.48 | Dabian | Spods : Well, you could use telnet only over a secure line, like it was intended to. |
| 17:00.48 | chealer | how could I see what's forcing install of apache1 on apt-get dist-upgrade (I have apache2 already) |
| 17:00.52 | w00t | i saw a guy that use 1000 computer to crack into people computer i want to kill him |
| 17:01.00 | asg | chealer: apt-rdepends |
| 17:01.07 | Dabian | w00t : /join #cheap_guns |
| 17:01.18 | Dabian | w00t : That was a joke. |
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| 17:01.36 | chealer | asg: hum, how do you use that exactly? |
| 17:01.39 | ondo | hii there!! anybody use powerprefs? |
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| 17:01.44 | Spods | Dabian: well yes. such as configuring a router over a serial cable. but at the same time no for just about everything else |
| 17:02.02 | MoonPrincess | I have an account where I can't ftp into... in syslog I keep seeing: chroot("~/"): No such file or directory any ideas? |
| 17:02.05 | asg | chealer: apt-rdepends <pkg> |
| 17:02.10 | Dabian | Spods: VPN tunnels are other examples. |
| 17:02.30 | teknoprep | its still not secure to the box dabian |
| 17:02.31 | Spods | dabian: i don't get in to vpn's too much, but your right |
| 17:02.33 | chealer | asg: you're proposing to use that on apache? |
| 17:02.37 | asg | chealer: also, apt-rdepends -r <pkg> |
| 17:02.39 | asg | chealer: yes |
| 17:02.41 | teknoprep | not unless you vpn to the box |
| 17:02.44 | w00t | make a NAT put a really good pwd and you be safe from shh |
| 17:02.47 | w00t | ssh |
| 17:02.48 | teknoprep | but then you are including another element |
| 17:02.52 | teknoprep | ssh was made for a reason |
| 17:03.05 | Dabian | Spods : Actually I guess ssh is mostly telnet over a dynamic vpn-like tunnel. |
| 17:03.17 | w00t | reson so crackers can f you up |
| 17:03.20 | teknoprep | you guesing again |
| 17:03.33 | asg | chealer: or you could just remove the apache package and see what compilains |
| 17:03.33 | Dabian | w00t : If you name is Bush? |
| 17:03.34 | Spods | dabian: nope, it's radically different under the hood |
| 17:03.36 | asg | s/pil/pl/ |
| 17:03.40 | w00t | lol |
| 17:03.53 | Dabian | Spods : Yeah .. but from the user perspective. |
| 17:04.01 | Dabian | Spods : I guess ssh is more like ssl. |
| 17:04.11 | asg | Dabian: ssh can do things telnet cannot (such as tunneling) |
| 17:04.12 | w00t | sshd |
| 17:04.30 | Spods | and secure x forwarding |
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| 17:04.35 | ecliptik | when I connect to a samba share on my debian server, I can't see any files or directories, anyone know what could be going on? |
| 17:04.37 | teknoprep | x forwarding owns |
| 17:04.46 | chealer | asg: apache (1) isn't installed |
| 17:04.46 | asg | Spods: I use a poor man's vpn (ssh + pppd) very effectively |
| 17:04.55 | teknoprep | pptpd |
| 17:05.09 | Dabian | asg : You could set up a tunnel from telnet, I guess, like ppp or slip, but I wouldn't advise it, lest you have a secure line already, and then the point is most likely moot. |
| 17:05.29 | chealer | asg: I'm asking because I already did it how you propose it, but it seems that it's always the same everytime I dist-upgrade, I have to install apache |
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| 17:05.36 | Spods | asg: yeah i use that combo too |
| 17:05.37 | asg | chealer: hmmmm. Then you'll have to use apt-rdepends -r foo and find out which of the packages you have depends on it. |
| 17:05.39 | notty | i don't have any shortcuts in kmenu (just run,logout and lock) what could be the problem ? |
| 17:05.42 | chealer | (and then I remove it) |
| 17:05.47 | peaceyall| | can anyone help me? , If im nto using my laptop , it just shutsdown for no reason , i dont think its heat problems , because i have powernowd and cpufreqd running and they work fine , my fan never gets hot , what is the problem? |
| 17:06.01 | asg | Dabian: telnet is useful for one thing these days; protocol testing. |
| 17:06.06 | chealer | asg: yeah, the only problem with that is that there are tens of reverse dependencies |
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| 17:06.07 | Spods | dabian: any user can "use" ssh, but you really need to understand it to ensure that a successfull and secure connection is made |
| 17:06.09 | asg | notty: try #debian-kde |
| 17:06.56 | asg | chealer: well, grep them out into a file, the use a for loop to go through that file and grep out any that appear in the output of 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l' |
| 17:06.57 | Dabian | peaceyall| : The problem is that your computer suspends itself to save power. At least that is my guess. |
| 17:07.25 | si|vercat | I have this 1,3gb .avi I'd like to split into 2 cds, whats an easy method of doing this? |
| 17:07.28 | peaceyall| | well Dabian what can i do to fix it? |
| 17:07.48 | Dabian | peaceyall| : Are you using a graphical user interface? |
| 17:07.49 | thingfish | peaceyall|: I would be tempted to see if memtest86+ runs on it for a long time without shutting down. |
| 17:07.49 | asg | peaceyall|: check your bios doesn't have an auto-suspend timeout. Also make sure that closing the lid doesn't cause this to happen. |
| 17:07.57 | teknoprep | si|vercat www.vcdgear.com |
| 17:08.04 | teknoprep | its an avi so you can't just split the file |
| 17:08.08 | ondo | hii there!! anybody use powerprefs? |
| 17:08.09 | chealer | asg: yeah...I'm already dist-upgrading with apache installing anyway |
| 17:08.21 | si|vercat | teknoprep: obviously :( |
| 17:08.31 | teknoprep | oh wait wrong program |
| 17:08.37 | asg | chealer: ah, okay |
| 17:08.49 | Spods | hey asg: i've got a p4 box that wont power down even though "acpi_power_off called" is the last line in halt, all my searches to fix this one have shown more people that have the problem than known how to fix the problem, any ideas on that one? |
| 17:08.53 | w00t | i need to reboot brb |
| 17:08.53 | peaceyall| | Dabian yes im on GNOME , thingfish:what is that , asg: i checked , it doesnt |
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| 17:09.12 | teknoprep | si|vercat http://www.divx-digest.com/ |
| 17:09.18 | teknoprep | look on there |
| 17:09.19 | asg | Spods: are you using a debian kernel or a self-compiled one? |
| 17:09.21 | Dabian | peaceyall| : In advanced settings, you can adjust the screen saver. |
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| 17:09.36 | Spods | asg: yeah a stock debian kernel under sarge |
| 17:09.44 | Dabian | peaceyall| : It has an option to turn off stuff. |
| 17:09.59 | Dabian | peaceyall| : Turn those options off. |
| 17:09.59 | thingfish | peaceyall|: memtest86+ checks your memory for errors. You boot to it, let it run...if it runs for as long as you want it to without your computer shutting down, well that's valuable info. |
| 17:09.59 | peaceyall| | ok ill try |
| 17:10.03 | Spods | asg: the windows xp partition has no problem powering down though |
| 17:10.07 | asg | Spods: hmm, when it finishes and prints 'halt', can you turn off the power manually with the button or do you have to unplug it from the wall? |
| 17:10.17 | ondo | no se como me da...pero me voy a caer, en breves |
| 17:10.26 | Dabian | ondo : Hablo? |
| 17:10.30 | asg | Spods: acpi support is not very good in linux because acpi bioses are mostly broken. |
| 17:10.34 | asg | !es |
| 17:10.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:10.34 | Spods | asg: holding the power button down for five seconds will turn it off |
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| 17:10.44 | McCabe | hello |
| 17:10.51 | ondo | Dabian: excuse me? |
| 17:10.53 | ondo | xD |
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| 17:11.02 | Dabian | !tell ondo about es |
| 17:11.08 | asg | Spods: you might try fiddling with a custom kernel and the acpi options (or even trying with acpi=off in the kernel boot line) |
| 17:11.36 | asg | Spods: supposedly, the Con Kolivas kernel patchset does a better job of acpi but I've never used it so I can't comment from experience. |
| 17:11.52 | si|vercat | teknoprep: anything linux-related over there? :P |
| 17:11.54 | ondo | Dabian: nono, i dont need spanish.. i only mix up the channel; |
| 17:11.55 | ondo | xD |
| 17:12.02 | peaceyall| | Dabian , the display power managment are all off |
| 17:12.05 | teknoprep | si|vercat goto www.sourceforge.net then |
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| 17:12.19 | Spods | asg: tried the acpi=off, made no difference. can the con kolinvas patchset be installed as a debian package, or do i need to download the source for that directly? |
| 17:12.35 | asg | Spods: you'll need to download the sources directly |
| 17:12.35 | Dabian | peaceyall| : OK ... then the villian is most likely found in your BIOS configurations, as some brave knights suggested. :-) |
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| 17:13.12 | Dabian | peaceyall| : Since you're not having a win32 partition, the suspend rutine is most likely getting rather confused. |
| 17:13.15 | Spods | asg: alright thanks for that, i'll look at that the next time i'm at my friends place |
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| 17:13.23 | asg | Spods: the only other thing I can suggest is hacking your ACPI (based on the work at acpi.sourceforge.net) |
| 17:13.43 | peaceyall| | so Dabian , wat should i do |
| 17:14.06 | Spods | asg: will do |
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| 17:14.38 | Dabian | peaceyall| : Get into the BIOS, and purge all powersaving. |
| 17:14.44 | man_in_shack | anyone help me with my udev set up? i can't run xterms and stuff like that |
| 17:14.59 | asg | !udev |
| 17:15.00 | dpkg | methinks udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 17:15.15 | Dabian | peaceyall| : If you still are having the problem, try running the memtester, because then I am out of ideas for now .. or maybe its your X that crashes because the driver for your GFX card is broken. |
| 17:15.23 | Spods | haha |
| 17:15.27 | man_in_shack | fuckers in #dvb said "no help without udev" |
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| 17:15.40 | Dabian | man_in_shack : Who is that? |
| 17:15.46 | man_in_shack | it's in my logs |
| 17:15.47 | peaceyall| | ok ill try |
| 17:15.56 | Dabian | man_in_shack : There was no such nick name. |
| 17:16.10 | Dabian | man_in_shack : According to the server. |
| 17:16.20 | Dabian | peaceyall| : I wish you success. :) |
| 17:16.29 | man_in_shack | riksta |
| 17:17.11 | Dabian | He is using gentoo. |
| 17:17.25 | man_in_shack | Dabian, riksta said "no help without udev", cos apparently /dev is deprecated |
| 17:17.34 | peaceyall| | ty Dabian |
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| 17:17.54 | asg | man_in_shack: do you have a 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:17.55 | Spods | man_in_shack: not in my world it's not :) |
| 17:18.00 | asg | mine either |
| 17:18.05 | teknoprep | same |
| 17:18.06 | man_in_shack | yes |
| 17:18.06 | stew | man_in_shack: http://www.pvrguide.no-ip.com/bbs-old/viewtopic.php?p=77264 |
| 17:18.12 | man_in_shack | Spods, agreeed |
| 17:18.21 | stew | man_in_shack: that post includes a script that mknods the dvb stuff |
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| 17:19.02 | peaceyall| | ok brb |
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| 17:19.15 | man_in_shack | stew, nodes aren't a problem |
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| 17:19.25 | Dabian | peaceyall| : memtest must run for hours. |
| 17:19.31 | stew | man_in_shack: ok, i just thought maybe thats why they wanted you to have udev |
| 17:19.32 | man_in_shack | stew, someone else gave me makenode script for dvb |
| 17:19.46 | thingfish | not necessarily, Dabian, although it's common to do so. |
| 17:19.50 | man_in_shack | stew, this guy just said point blank, no help without udev |
| 17:19.55 | man_in_shack | and i really want this card working |
| 17:20.02 | stew | man_in_shack: which card? |
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| 17:20.31 | man_in_shack | kworld v-stream xpert dvb-t |
| 17:21.00 | EvilSporkMan | how hot is too hot? my box is at CPU temp 57 Celsius and case temp 42 Celsius while running dnetc. It's an Athlon 64. |
| 17:21.06 | stew | man_in_shack: dunno that one, sorry, what have you tried, what are the symptoms? |
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| 17:21.20 | peaceyall| | Dabian how do i run memtest? |
| 17:21.31 | Spods | EvilSporkMan: it varies, but 57 degrees sounds too high for a CPU |
| 17:21.44 | man_in_shack | stew, it's a conexant chipset, i've got all sensible conexant modules |
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| 17:22.05 | Dabian | !rootsmite and1 |
| 17:22.07 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: i'm reading the diode right on the chip, apparently...I THINK Athlon 64 is rated up to 70 Celsius... |
| 17:22.19 | Spods | EvilSporkMan: try bringing CPU tenp down to 40's |
| 17:22.25 | man_in_shack | stew, it gets picked up as a cx88 card, but the dvb doesn't get registered |
| 17:22.28 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: even at full load |
| 17:22.44 | thingfish | 57 is hottish, but not too hot. |
| 17:22.57 | thingfish | not for current cpus that is. |
| 17:23.02 | stew | man_in_shack: do you ahve cx88_dvb loaded? |
| 17:23.08 | Spods | ESM: I wouldn't run it for any long period of time at that temp, you can do it, but you might get more life if you brought the temp down |
| 17:23.12 | thingfish | I'd want to go for the 40's too. |
| 17:23.37 | man_in_shack | stew, module not found 8| |
| 17:23.47 | stew | man_in_shack: what kernel version? |
| 17:23.49 | EvilSporkMan | thingfish, Spods: would an intake fan on the front of the case help much? there's already a 120 mm blowing out the back and an 80 mm blowing right at the CPU |
| 17:24.00 | man_in_shack | stew, 2.6.11.8 |
| 17:24.31 | thingfish | EvilSporkMan: well, I for one go for the bare-frame case, with open top and side. |
| 17:24.33 | Spods | ESM: it's not so much power, it's current flow, and distance to a hear source, such as the PSU |
| 17:24.45 | Spods | heat source even |
| 17:24.54 | stew | man_in_shack: i haven't looked at 11.8, i am using 12-rc3 becuase when i started this i wasn't sure if the connexant drivers were in 2.6.11 |
| 17:24.58 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: yeah, it's something like 5 cm from the PSU |
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| 17:25.36 | McCabe | i want to make an xclient program connect to my xserver from another computer. do i have to alter /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess, or is it rnough with xhost ? (i do not want to tunnel through SSH, btw) |
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| 17:26.02 | Spods | ESM: well there's your biggest problem. i just built a box like that for my father, the CPU was under the PSU, had to swap the case for something else and all my heating troubles went away |
| 17:26.03 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: well, we're idling at 43 C now...guess I'll look into that intake fan |
| 17:26.08 | man_in_shack | stew, there are some at least |
| 17:26.18 | man_in_shack | i don't really want to compile another kernel |
| 17:26.20 | thingfish | idling at 43 is fine |
| 17:26.23 | man_in_shack | but i will if i have to |
| 17:26.27 | thingfish | that's excellent actually |
| 17:26.30 | man_in_shack | http://pastebin.com/280528 << interesting reading |
| 17:26.36 | stew | man_in_shack: CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88_DVB=m <-- you need that in your .config |
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| 17:26.45 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: how is it physically possible not to put the CPU by the PSU? |
| 17:26.47 | thingfish | my prescott p4 idles at about 49F |
| 17:26.50 | Spods | yeah 43 isn't a bad temp |
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| 17:27.08 | colk | thingfish, you mean C |
| 17:27.17 | thingfish | oh hehe yes colk |
| 17:27.23 | man_in_shack | stew, i'll go looking for it |
| 17:27.31 | colk | unless your cooling it with liquid nitrogen or something |
| 17:27.32 | colk | :P |
| 17:27.37 | thingfish | hehe no |
| 17:27.40 | thingfish | sorry |
| 17:27.42 | Spods | ESM: well i spent an extra $40, and had the manufacturer swap the case with a case that was 7cm taller, and in turn changed when the CPU and PSU were |
| 17:27.45 | stew | man_in_shack: grep CX88 /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:27.52 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: oh, taller case, i gotcha |
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| 17:28.29 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: well, I think I'll get the intake fan anyway...hard drive will probably thank me |
| 17:28.54 | stew | man_in_shack: bbl, good luck |
| 17:28.58 | Spods | ESM: some boards just don't work with some cases, it's just the way they're positioned. alternative, if changing the case isn't an option, you need to work out where to tactfully put the fans to ensure proper cooling |
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| 17:29.22 | Spods | ESM: yeah that's true, and the fans are usually cheaper :) |
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| 17:29.42 | teknoprep | just get RaidMax cases |
| 17:29.46 | teknoprep | there the best for the price |
| 17:29.47 | man_in_shack | config doesn't include module=n does it? |
| 17:30.00 | teknoprep | 58 dollars with a 420 watt PS and 4fans.. lots of drive bays |
| 17:30.04 | teknoprep | nice looking cases too |
| 17:30.05 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: well, i have this cool screen in the side of the case that i can just screw more fans onto |
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| 17:30.33 | teknoprep | make sure you make negative pressure inside the case |
| 17:30.37 | teknoprep | have more fans blowing out then in |
| 17:30.49 | pipeline | teknoprep: Why the hell would you want that? |
| 17:30.53 | asg | just nail the mobo to the wall and use a window fan |
| 17:30.58 | Spec | If my kernel has megaraid2 built as a module, is there a way to load it on boot up, or should I put it into the kernel? |
| 17:31.09 | thingfish | yes, it's better to have one big slow-turning fan sucking air out than it is to have a bunch of fans blowing air in. |
| 17:31.10 | Spods | ESM: sounds good, it's good to have room for more fans in case you stick some SCSI drives in and your case temp rises |
| 17:31.12 | asg | Spec: add the module to /etc/modules |
| 17:31.14 | pipeline | teknoprep: If you do that, your case will be filled with dust, and you will be constantly scrubbing it out of places you didn't know you had. |
| 17:31.18 | asg | s/Spec/Spods/ |
| 17:31.18 | pipeline | thingfish: Better in what sense? :P |
| 17:31.19 | Spec | i put it at /etc/modules |
| 17:31.25 | teknoprep | pipeline thats not true |
| 17:31.31 | thingfish | pipeline: in terms of airflow. |
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| 17:31.36 | Spec | and it still says make a "root=" option, etc |
| 17:31.36 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: why would it fill with dust if net airflow was OUT of the case? |
| 17:31.51 | asg | Spec: if you need it to actually boot the machine's root filesystem, it needs to be compiled in or you'll need an initrd image if it's modular |
| 17:31.53 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Negative pressure means that net airflow is INTO the case. |
| 17:31.54 | asg | bah |
| 17:31.57 | asg | Spec: sorry |
| 17:32.01 | asg | Spods: ^^^^ |
| 17:32.03 | Spec | ah |
| 17:32.08 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: It means that air from the outside will squeeze into every little crack |
| 17:32.08 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: i thought he said more fans out than in...i guess he contradicted himself ^^; |
| 17:32.12 | Spec | so into the kernel it goes |
| 17:32.18 | teknoprep | lol pipeline.. negative airflow is more air goes out of the case then in |
| 17:32.18 | asg | Spods: to compile your kernel the debian way, /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:32.21 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: More fans out than in means that every hole in the case is sucking in dust. |
| 17:32.30 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: yes, i understand now |
| 17:32.34 | pipeline | teknoprep: Yes, and that's something you want to avoid. |
| 17:32.35 | nxvl | hi |
| 17:32.39 | teknoprep | no its not |
| 17:32.42 | Spods | asg: hehe, lysdexic fingers atm? |
| 17:32.45 | pipeline | teknoprep: Better to have one freaking huge intake fan with a good filter |
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| 17:33.00 | asg | Spods: no, my headche (that isn't hangover related) |
| 17:33.01 | teknoprep | i guess |
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| 17:33.16 | nxvl | im tryng to port netconfig to Debian, but when i try to compile it y got an error in the kernel_get function, but im not a good C programmer |
| 17:33.24 | nxvl | someone can help me doing this? |
| 17:33.26 | asg | nxvl: try #c |
| 17:33.28 | Spods | asg: well that's no fun, you might as well start drinking so you can have an excuse for the headache!! |
| 17:33.29 | EvilSporkMan | doub: this sucker is relatively loud already, too, and they're the kind of fans that go right onto the power supply instead of the mobo |
| 17:33.38 | pipeline | doub: You do that bud. Have fun with your 1 M/s flash drive and your ultra low voltage efficeon. I'll be over here with my gear that's a hundred times as fast and half as expensive. |
| 17:33.42 | asg | Spods: I plan to as soon as work ends here in an hour or so. |
| 17:34.08 | Spods | ESM: install cotton wool in ears to fix the noise problem, it's a tried and tested method :) |
| 17:34.10 | furrywolf | pipeline: and a hundred times as loud. :P |
| 17:34.21 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: I really don't care, but I'm afraid my roommate will kill me when i start college |
| 17:34.22 | asg | pipeline: just tell him to buy a mac mini ;) |
| 17:34.39 | pipeline | teknoprep: If you have positive case pressure, and you put filters on your intakes, you know where your dust is. You clean the filters periodically, inside of the case stays clean, heatsinks work efficiently, life is good. |
| 17:34.40 | doub | asg: that's a good idea, except for the price |
| 17:34.49 | pipeline | furrywolf: What? I can't hear you over the noise from my hard drives :P |
| 17:34.51 | asg | EvilSporkMan: your roommate might listen to Country so I'd keep the fans as a preemptive measure. |
| 17:34.58 | doub | asg: ... as usual with apple hardware |
| 17:35.02 | asg | doub: of course |
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| 17:35.25 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: I spent a year in the dorms with two 7000 RPM delta black labels. My roommate stayed far, far away from the room, and I liked it that way. |
| 17:35.25 | furrywolf | heh. I'm listening to three power supplies, 4 cpu fans, one video card fan, and 7 hard drives... |
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| 17:35.35 | furrywolf | quiet computers would be a big improvement. :P |
| 17:36.01 | doub | has anyone ever tried non-apple powerpc arches? how does it compare to i386? |
| 17:36.03 | teknoprep | haha |
| 17:36.08 | EvilSporkMan | speaking of fans...someone needs to tell the knoppix people to put i8kmon on there...my laptop's fans aren't kicking on and it's idling at... |
| 17:36.13 | teknoprep | just get a 1u server with 6 13,000 rpm fans |
| 17:36.22 | pipeline | doub: IBM PPC absolutely blows away Apple PPC. |
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| 17:36.26 | teknoprep | that high pitch squeel will kill you |
| 17:36.27 | pipeline | doub: And it costs about five times as much. |
| 17:36.29 | EvilSporkMan | 59 celsius |
| 17:36.42 | furrywolf | and the two cpu fans in the dualie box are massive orb fansinks with 5k rpm fans that make about ten times the noise of normal fansinks... |
| 17:36.45 | funkyhat | o_O |
| 17:36.53 | cbr | ibm manufactures PPC's for apple :roll: |
| 17:36.54 | asg | EvilSporkMan: ...she can't take much more captain, she's about to blow |
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| 17:37.02 | koollman_ | pipeline: apple ppc? isn't the g5 a ibm product ? |
| 17:37.06 | EvilSporkMan | asg: it's a laptop, i'm not too concerned =P |
| 17:37.07 | doub | pipeline: which one is 5x cheaper ? |
| 17:37.18 | asg | EvilSporkMan: don't fry your nuggets. |
| 17:37.35 | pipeline | doub, cbr: IBM sells POWER4+ and POWER5, which are PPC ISA chips that are vastly more powerful than the PPC 970 (G5) |
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| 17:37.38 | furrywolf | asg: why shouldn't he? it's his decision to remove himself from the gene pool. :P |
| 17:37.40 | EvilSporkMan | asg: I'm not using it as a laptop; it's a Pentium 3. it's just being a nice wireless bridge |
| 17:37.47 | doub | pipeline: btw, i thought the PowerPC (the CPU) was an ibm-apple-motorolla collaborative design |
| 17:37.51 | pipeline | doub, cbr : Sadly, the cheapest POWER5 machines run about 7,000$ for a uniprocessor. |
| 17:37.53 | asg | EvilSporkMan: ;) |
| 17:38.00 | pipeline | doub: PowerPC is an instruction set. No specific CPU is "PowerPC" |
| 17:38.10 | asg | furrywolf: well, there is that. |
| 17:38.16 | pipeline | doub: The original PPC 601 chip was indeed a collaborative design between IBM and motorola. |
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| 17:38.18 | furrywolf | evilsporkman: if you don't want it, send it here. I could use an upgrade from my p2 laptop... |
| 17:38.39 | EvilSporkMan | furrywolf: but then how will i get internet access? :-P |
| 17:38.42 | pipeline | doub: It used the Motorola chipset and bus design from the Motorola 88000 (which is why Apple was interested -- they had Motorola 88000 prototypes in the works) |
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| 17:39.02 | EvilSporkMan | furrywolf: oh, and I forgot to mention...the hard drive died. I knew there was a reason I didn't use it any more... |
| 17:39.04 | pipeline | doub: Traditionally, IBM's "POWER" line is a superset of the PPC ISA |
| 17:39.04 | furrywolf | evilsporkman: my p2 works just fine as an ipmasq box. :P |
| 17:39.17 | pipeline | doub: Although the POWER3 was just a regular 603 with extra cache and no other differences :P |
| 17:39.26 | EvilSporkMan | is it unusual for integrated networking chipsets to just die? |
| 17:39.46 | teknoprep | yeah i have an amdk/3 as my fileserver/firewall/dns/dhcp/mail/webserver |
| 17:39.47 | teknoprep | lol |
| 17:39.48 | doub | pipeline: what's 'ISA' ? Instruction Set A??? |
| 17:39.59 | Spods | my office is sadly a desk in the server room with the mainframes and sun clusters, it's both cold and noisy |
| 17:40.01 | pipeline | doub: Instruction Set Architecture |
| 17:40.09 | pipeline | doub: And instruction set that pertains to more than one processor |
| 17:40.15 | pipeline | doub: s/and/an |
| 17:40.19 | teknoprep | proxy-server too.. virus scanning on dloaded files/spam filter/.. its my everything box |
| 17:40.32 | teknoprep | dansguardian rocks |
| 17:40.35 | EvilSporkMan | teknoprep: i bet it runs nice and cool |
| 17:40.40 | teknoprep | i don't have a fan on it |
| 17:40.42 | asg | Spods: better cool than hot |
| 17:40.47 | teknoprep | the fan broke |
| 17:40.48 | doub | pipeline: so, if i sum it up, the cheapest powerpc based arches are apple? |
| 17:40.49 | teknoprep | so i took it off |
| 17:40.51 | furrywolf | I want one of those 96-way personal clusters. |
| 17:40.54 | teknoprep | and it runs at 40C |
| 17:40.58 | teknoprep | with no fans on anything |
| 17:41.01 | pipeline | doub: Yes. But also the hslowest :P |
| 17:41.02 | Spods | asg: well not at the moment, it's winter in australia :) |
| 17:41.02 | asg | furrywolf: start saving |
| 17:41.05 | teknoprep | its a fanless powersupply also |
| 17:41.14 | asg | Spods: true |
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| 17:41.19 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: funny, it's winter in michigan too. |
| 17:41.19 | doub | pipeline: what about PREP? |
| 17:41.34 | pipeline | doub: PREP is the system standard for IBM PPC machines. |
| 17:41.34 | teknoprep | what |
| 17:41.40 | teknoprep | STOP THAT |
| 17:41.42 | pipeline | doub: It's a standard that describes the motherboard hardware, the firmware, etc |
| 17:41.43 | teknoprep | its tek |
| 17:41.46 | teknoprep | no prep |
| 17:42.03 | doub | pipeline: yes, i know. but how do they compare to Apple's arch? |
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| 17:42.23 | Spods | ESM: doesn't that defy the natural order of weather patterns? aren't you on the northern part of the globe? :) |
| 17:42.36 | pipeline | doub: look. Apple is proprietary, usually shitty, hardware that happens to use PPC. Other than that, it has nothing to do with IBM's PPC-based hardware. |
| 17:42.40 | furrywolf | http://www.orionmulti.com/products/specs_ds96 <== sadly, it comes with redhat as default, so you have to install debian yourself. :) |
| 17:42.58 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: i'm by some very large lakes. they suck. |
| 17:42.58 | pipeline | doub: Also, Apple's hardware products are pretty hit-or-miss. Some have been extremely powerful for the price, some have been pathetic. |
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| 17:43.12 | teknoprep | 230 gigaflops wow |
| 17:43.13 | furrywolf | pipeline: best of all, the iMac G5s have insta-explode capacitors. |
| 17:43.18 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: seriously though, it's 63 F now...I guess it's not that bad, I'd just like to be wearing shorts |
| 17:43.28 | doub | pipeline: isn't the powermac G5 praised by every mac user out there? |
| 17:43.29 | EvilSporkMan | food and work time |
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| 17:43.45 | pipeline | doub: If YOU blew three thousand dollars on a machine, wouldn't YOU praise it too? |
| 17:43.51 | teknoprep | lol |
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| 17:43.58 | teknoprep | g5 is nice foo |
| 17:44.07 | teknoprep | better then x86 cpu |
| 17:44.10 | pipeline | doub: The Powermac G5 is not particularly fast for the money, it's not very expandable, and the only supported OS on it is OSX. |
| 17:44.11 | doub | pipeline: not if it's crappy |
| 17:44.19 | doub | pipeline: but maybe i'm special |
| 17:44.20 | funkyhat | has anyone else had any issues with the debian sarge netinstall CD? |
| 17:44.28 | teknoprep | lol |
| 17:44.31 | teknoprep | wtf funkyhat |
| 17:44.37 | pipeline | doub: For the same money, you could get a dual Opteron Sun running Solaris or Linux. |
| 17:44.46 | vlm | funky: recenlty worked for me... Whats the problem? |
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| 17:44.52 | pipeline | doub: (and twice as many fucking PCI-X slots / drive bays ) |
| 17:45.05 | pipeline | doub: (And it would be substantially faster, too) |
| 17:45.12 | doub | pipeline: linux, netbsd and maybe some others also run on apple hardware |
| 17:45.18 | funkyhat | i got grub error 17 (could not mount partition) on first reboot |
| 17:45.21 | pipeline | doub: But they're not SUPPORTED on Apple hardware. |
| 17:45.31 | pipeline | doub: There's not much ISV software for OSX, and there's even less for Linux/PPC. |
| 17:45.34 | funkyhat | i tried reinstalling several times |
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| 17:45.53 | doub | pipeline: does that make a difference? windows is supported on intel x86, that doesn't make it any better |
| 17:45.58 | vlm | funky: filesystem type? I've used reiser and ext3 no idea if XFS works or not |
| 17:46.02 | Spods | that's if you want vendor support |
| 17:46.05 | pipeline | doub: I think Dead Cat and Novell both offer PPC distributions, but they're meant to be used on IBM hardware, not apple towers. |
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| 17:46.20 | funkyhat | ext3. i think it was an issue with my master boot record though |
| 17:46.25 | pipeline | doub: Yes, but on any given x86 system, I could get Solaris or Linux :P |
| 17:46.31 | Spods | yellow dog does a PPC distro |
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| 17:46.40 | funkyhat | i couldn't get windows xp to install properly afterwards either untill i did a low level hdd format |
| 17:46.46 | pipeline | doub, Spods: I'd totally forgotten about YDL |
| 17:46.52 | doub | pipeline: what about debian? |
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| 17:47.01 | pipeline | doub: No support = no dice, for most people. |
| 17:47.16 | doub | pipeline: i've seen one HOWTO explaining installing debian on a mac mini |
| 17:47.28 | pipeline | doub: The only company I know of around here that supprorts debian only supports it on x86 and embedded platforms. |
| 17:47.31 | ResPiDeR | I cant get unreal tournament 2004 working on my debian... what can I do? these are the errors:"WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!" and "Either GL_EXT_bgra or glDrawRangeElements not supported- bailing out." .... the nvidia drivers are working nicely with another games (q3 for exemple) |
| 17:47.50 | pipeline | ResPiDeR: Is direct rendering enabled? run "glxinfo | grep irect" |
| 17:47.53 | doub | pipeline: mandriva has commercial support for linux ppc, iirc |
| 17:48.04 | Spods | respider: install action quake 2, it's much more fun :) |
| 17:48.14 | pipeline | doub: Heh, that's a comedy option, right? |
| 17:48.15 | ResPiDeR | Spods: no thanks |
| 17:48.22 | ResPiDeR | pipeline: no, how do I active this? |
| 17:48.24 | Spods | hehe yup |
| 17:48.34 | pipeline | ResPiDeR: You need accelerated GL drivers. |
| 17:48.38 | teknoprep | lol |
| 17:48.38 | pipeline | ResPiDeR: What graphics card do you have? |
| 17:48.47 | doub | pipeline: for you and me, it shure is. but if that's what people want to feel safer, they have it |
| 17:49.00 | ResPiDeR | pipeline: nvidia fx5200... glxgears works nice... 2500 fps |
| 17:49.02 | pipeline | doub: I don't think anyone feels safe betting a job on Mandiva. |
| 17:49.04 | ResPiDeR | q3 works nice too |
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| 17:49.12 | pipeline | ResPiDeR: In that case, clearly direct rendering is alread yenabled, and I have no idea. |
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| 17:49.18 | teknoprep | glxgears is not a good test of opengl |
| 17:49.28 | pipeline | teknoprep: Q3 is a pretty good test of OpenGL. |
| 17:49.36 | ResPiDeR | pipeline: but that grep says "direct rendering: No" |
| 17:49.39 | teknoprep | ok.. but not glxgears |
| 17:49.50 | drac | teknoprep: glxgears is a test for opengl, maybe not an benchmark, but a test definately. |
| 17:49.51 | Spods | respider: reaction quake 3 works too |
| 17:49.52 | doub | pipeline: there are quite some people disagreeing, as it is nearly operational as a company (i'm not speaking of the inner technical quality) |
| 17:50.05 | ResPiDeR | Spods: I want unreal 2004, thanks |
| 17:50.29 | teknoprep | ResPiDeR you want windows and unreal 2004 |
| 17:50.59 | teknoprep | from my understanding of things.. you do not seem like you want anything to learn of linux.. |
| 17:51.02 | ResPiDeR | teknoprep: i use debian |
| 17:51.12 | teknoprep | no debian uses you |
| 17:51.22 | drac | teknoprep: Go away. |
| 17:51.26 | teknoprep | lol |
| 17:51.26 | ResPiDeR | teknoprep: =] |
| 17:51.30 | teknoprep | whats up drac |
| 17:51.33 | ResPiDeR | teknoprep: ok... |
| 17:51.36 | Spods | teknoprep: :) |
| 17:51.43 | teknoprep | tell your frinends in efnet to blow me |
| 17:51.49 | JohnnyST | ResPiDeR, what graphics card do you use? |
| 17:51.50 | drac | teknoprep: You trolling here, after getting kickbanned even from EFnet's #debian. |
| 17:51.55 | ResPiDeR | teknoprep: but how can i manage this?? |
| 17:52.07 | teknoprep | can't you read bro |
| 17:52.08 | ResPiDeR | teknoprep: nvidia fx5200 |
| 17:52.11 | teknoprep | drac? |
| 17:52.23 | teknoprep | install the binary drivers |
| 17:52.25 | ResPiDeR | JohnnyST: nvidia fx5200 |
| 17:52.29 | teknoprep | sh nvidia-driver.sh |
| 17:52.32 | ResPiDeR | i did |
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| 17:52.44 | teknoprep | hold |
| 17:52.47 | ResPiDeR | all games works fine, except ut2004 |
| 17:52.48 | teknoprep | there is a command you put after it |
| 17:52.51 | JohnnyST | ResPiDeR, Yes then you need to install the binary drivers.. |
| 17:53.16 | teknoprep | sh nvidia-driver.sh --opengl-headers |
| 17:53.18 | teknoprep | i think thats it |
| 17:53.26 | JohnnyST | ResPiDeR, all 3D games work ok? |
| 17:54.06 | ResPiDeR | JohnnyST: I only tried quake 3.. it works fine |
| 17:54.14 | teknoprep | put that after it |
| 17:54.45 | JohnnyST | ResPiDeR, glxinfo shows that you have hardware 3d? |
| 17:55.17 | ResPiDeR | server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 17:55.25 | JohnnyST | fine.. |
| 17:55.38 | ResPiDeR | when I start X nvidia logo appears.. I think its installed |
| 17:55.40 | ResPiDeR | correctly |
| 17:56.03 | JohnnyST | Then it is something with the game I think are there any patches out for it.. |
| 17:56.32 | JohnnyST | ResPiDeR. Yes your 3d seems to be fine.. |
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| 17:56.54 | ResPiDeR | JohnnyST: the strange thing is that it works in slackware |
| 17:57.00 | ResPiDeR | JohnnyST: the same game binary |
| 17:57.18 | w00t | i finaly update xchat |
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| 17:58.03 | sam` | hi |
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| 17:58.28 | JohnnyST | ResPiDeR, Then it can be becouse debian uses xfree 4.3.0 plus patches I guess slackware have morerecent xfree. |
| 17:59.05 | JohnnyST | ResPiDeR, do you use the same kernel version in slack and debian? |
| 17:59.18 | gass | anyone knows anything about security updates for sarge? |
| 17:59.23 | asg | gass: /topic |
| 17:59.31 | ResPiDeR | JohnnyST: yeap |
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| 17:59.58 | gass | asg: is there any? does it came trought securty.debian.org? |
| 18:00.03 | gass | or t-p-u? |
| 18:00.07 | sam` | i have a diskless box booting using pxe and nfsroot. although i use vers=3 in /etc/fstab, the root fs is mounted nfsv2 which is very slow |
| 18:00.07 | JohnnyST | ResPiDeR, Seems to be xfree then but I am not 100% sure about that.. |
| 18:00.10 | sam` | any hints ? |
| 18:00.16 | Cyis | damn SBC is fscking stupid |
| 18:00.23 | asg | gass: should be through sdo |
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| 18:00.31 | ResPiDeR | JohnnyST: ok then.. thanks for the help |
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| 18:00.40 | JohnnyST | np :) |
| 18:00.43 | gass | asg: sdo? |
| 18:01.00 | asg | gass: security.debian.org |
| 18:01.12 | enamorado | hola alguna tia |
| 18:01.14 | Licker | Ok.. How would would I give web access to my cgi-bin?<--- im trying to open moduale.cgi in a web browser.. |
| 18:01.25 | gass | asg: ok ... but until then, there is no updates from there, ando no release file is filled |
| 18:01.51 | gass | Licker: in apache conf ... |
| 18:02.01 | ResPiDeR | teknoprep: in what this command differ from the simple one? sh nvidia-driver.sh --opengl-headers |
| 18:02.04 | Licker | ?? |
| 18:02.06 | rob_lt | Hi. How can I make it so that when sarge becomes stable, that I start running stable instead of testing? I tried doing a s/testing/sarge/g in my sources.list, but not all the repos recognize sarge instead of testing. |
| 18:02.14 | asg | gass: you are using security.debian.org sarge/updates? |
| 18:02.34 | gass | yes |
| 18:02.45 | gass | this one is empty |
| 18:02.46 | gass | http://security.debian.org/dists/sarge/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages |
| 18:03.13 | gass | and this one does not have the version filled |
| 18:03.14 | gass | http://security.debian.org/dists/sarge/updates/Release |
| 18:03.36 | asg | gass: hmmm, I don't know then. |
| 18:03.58 | gass | asg: ok, thx . |
| 18:04.14 | asg | gass: you might as one one of the mailing lists perhaps. |
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| 18:18.58 | Dabian | !rootsmite _Slasher |
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| 18:19.44 | funkyhat | hahaha |
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| 18:20.50 | TooSad | salve |
| 18:21.01 | Dabian | _Slasher : Unless you're running a honeypot, I suggest you get your pork off irc and log in as a common .. ahh you got the message. :) |
| 18:21.32 | mirak | how to know the base adress of the frame buffer ? |
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| 18:21.50 | Dabian | mirak : Guessing works sometimes, but I guess it can be hard. |
| 18:22.03 | mirak | guessing ? |
| 18:22.09 | Dabian | mirak : Yeah. |
| 18:22.10 | TooSad | hi, is there a sort of macromedia studio mx for debian? |
| 18:22.19 | mirak | v4l-conf says me it doesn't find it |
| 18:22.27 | Dabian | mirak : If you you're lucky, you guess it first time. |
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| 18:22.41 | Dabian | slasher_ : Much better! Thanks! |
| 18:23.07 | slasher_ | np, I always take root though, it makes me feel powerfull :) |
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| 18:23.28 | Caramel | hi all, where is the log for ssh at ? |
| 18:23.35 | Dabian | slasher_ : You know it is a bad habbit? |
| 18:23.48 | Dabian | slasher_ : And that sudo *is* your friend? |
| 18:23.55 | stouset | Caramel: /var/log/auth.log for authentication attempts |
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| 18:24.06 | slasher_ | depends who you ask, i've never managed to kill a system as root |
| 18:24.09 | Caramel | stouset: thats the thing, I cannot find that file |
| 18:24.26 | stouset | Caramel: do you have syslog or syslog-ng running? |
| 18:24.37 | Caramel | stouset: how do I chekc ? |
| 18:24.38 | Dabian | slasher_ : Most people havn't, doesn't mean its safe to play as root. |
| 18:24.42 | stouset | Caramel: ps wax | grep syslog |
| 18:24.54 | slasher_ | hehe, i'll give you that one |
| 18:25.06 | Dabian | Ich werde dich trotz dem addieren! |
| 18:25.14 | stouset | slasher_: An analogy might be, "I've never lost at russian roulette" |
| 18:25.18 | Dabian | slasher_ :-) |
| 18:25.21 | stouset | !de |
| 18:25.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 18:25.21 | Caramel | stouset: looks like its running |
| 18:25.35 | Dabian | stouset : Wrong channel |
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| 18:25.49 | slasher_ | how do i check what version of x i'm running (haha stouset) |
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| 18:26.35 | stouset | Caramel: which one? syslog or syslog-ng |
| 18:26.36 | Dabian | stouset : Dann bleib ich doch lieber hier. ;-) |
| 18:26.51 | slasher_ | que? |
| 18:26.52 | Phated | slasher_: X -version. |
| 18:26.53 | Caramel | stouset: syslogd |
| 18:27.03 | stouset | slasher_: X -version |
| 18:27.29 | stouset | Caramel: ah, I'm not sure about syslog. I think syslog-ng and syslog use different files. I would recommend installing syslog-ng and removing klogd/sysklogd |
| 18:27.36 | slasher_ | thank you, one other thing, what are the best ATI all in wonder drivers? |
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| 18:27.45 | stouset | slasher_: The Windows ones. |
| 18:27.51 | Caramel | stouset ait but where can I find the log now ? |
| 18:27.56 | slasher_ | barring windows |
| 18:28.09 | stouset | slasher_: The free ones with X suck, and the 3D accelerated ones from ATi suck. |
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| 18:28.22 | stouset | Caramel: Hell if I know :-) "grep -r ssh /var/log" |
| 18:28.23 | slasher_ | I am aware |
| 18:28.33 | slasher_ | what's the best option? |
| 18:28.49 | stouset | slasher_: I got the fglrx sources, compiled them against my kernel headers, and am using them. They don't support xinerama, though. |
| 18:28.53 | kullanici | hi.. i installed debian new.. i'm on console now how can i activate mouse ? i did "apt-get install kde" but kde don't work.. |
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| 18:29.01 | stouset | slasher_: There's an apt repository for them. Let me find it. |
| 18:29.09 | slasher_ | cool, thanks |
| 18:29.10 | stouset | # fglrx |
| 18:29.10 | stouset | deb http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/ ./ |
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| 18:29.46 | stouset | kullanici: "apt-get install gpm" for console mouse. "apt-get install x-window-system-core" for X windows. |
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| 18:30.07 | tosh| | with samba integrated in a win2003 Active directory, is there any dymanic way to create a local system account and add a mapping from the windows user to the local user without having to manually add it? |
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| 18:30.42 | shomon | hi - might be a stupid question but is it possible to usefully connect a mobile phone to a debian computer? |
| 18:31.00 | Dabian | shomon : Yes, and yes. |
| 18:31.00 | stouset | tosh|: which machine are you creating the account on? |
| 18:31.09 | shomon | oh |
| 18:31.13 | shomon | thanks dabian |
| 18:31.14 | shomon | how? |
| 18:31.20 | stouset | shomon: depends on the phone |
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| 18:31.54 | slasher_ | stouset, can i just download their fglrx installer of do i have to use apt get? |
| 18:31.55 | mirak | how to get a /dev/fb0 device file ? |
| 18:32.09 | shomon | let's see.. motorola v300 |
| 18:32.30 | shomon | and ericsson t610 |
| 18:32.34 | tosh| | stouset I want to create the account on the AD, and when a request comes from the client to my samba server, authenticated by AD, I want the box to create a local account and add mapping |
| 18:32.48 | shomon | is there a howto or somewhere to get started? |
| 18:32.55 | appaji | I was reading Joerg Jaspert's mail on debian-devel-announce about "Debian AMD64 Archive Move" and saw this -> 'All mirrors listed there get a "push" from the archive, so they are updated as soon as something changed.'. How does one do that 'push' thing? |
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| 18:33.58 | rrt | What is a good PIM to use in Sarge? I am using Gnome |
| 18:34.00 | Dabian | taupter : I think SVN has its homepage somewhere .. I don't know how usefull the documentation is - however. |
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| 18:35.50 | Caramel | stouset: thanks |
| 18:36.07 | MobyTurbo | rrt: I think Evolution has that functionality |
| 18:36.11 | valdyn | appaji: that means they are automatically uploading changes to mirrors, whats there to understand? |
| 18:36.19 | shomon | hi sorry to ask again but is there a way to connect an ericsson t610 or motorola v300 to a debian box? |
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| 18:37.21 | rrt | i'm using firebird/thunderbird and there seems to be a pim called sunbird but i can't find any debs. hate to install evolution for just a calendar |
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| 18:37.39 | Delph | rrt: sunbird is *very* 0.2 release, last i checked |
| 18:37.54 | Delph | rrt: and you can always just install it locally, if there isn't a .deb |
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| 18:38.37 | si|vercat | xawtv -hwscan outputs some weird stuff, like lots of ioctl: VIDIOC_QUERYMENU, and I have a PVR-250 but it says Vanilla iTVC15.. trying to get the TV-card working :s |
| 18:39.02 | si|vercat | ioctl invalid argument stuff |
| 18:39.03 | rrt | yes i downloaded the tar.gz but thouht before installing it i would check to see if there was something "commonly" used in sarge. |
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| 18:39.15 | appaji | valdyn: Not really. Apparently each side have to setup some scripts and the script on the mirror will get a notification from the main server. |
| 18:39.22 | Delph | rrt: i don't think many people use it, because it's not that good at the moment. |
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| 18:39.32 | appaji | valdyn: I was wondering if I can take a look at those scripts somewhere :-) |
| 18:39.33 | valdyn | appaji: and? |
| 18:39.46 | bahamat | hey, do you guys know of a good, or at least semi-adequate binary diff tool? |
| 18:39.46 | MobyTurbo | si|vercat: I never had any luck with xmltv, try tvtime |
| 18:39.47 | chealer | rrt: evolution, I guess |
| 18:39.54 | bahamat | other than two terms and hexedit |
| 18:39.57 | kbrooks | could i possibly slim debian down? |
| 18:40.14 | MobyTurbo | !possible |
| 18:40.14 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 18:40.17 | rrt | that is what i was wondering due to no deb available yet. i see there is gnome-pim might try that too. |
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| 18:40.32 | Delph | kbrooks: are we talking slimming down to floppy disk, or to a 100mb usb disk or to a 700mb cd iso? |
| 18:40.32 | tosh| | bahamat its not linux, but I would use IDA for that |
| 18:40.34 | kullanici | re hi... |
| 18:40.39 | kullanici | kde is ok now.. |
| 18:40.40 | stouset | tosh|: still there? |
| 18:40.42 | bahamat | tosh|: what's IDA? |
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| 18:40.47 | tosh| | stouset yup |
| 18:40.48 | stouset | slasher_: I would recommend against using their installer |
| 18:40.58 | tosh| | bahamat google for it |
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| 18:41.07 | rrt | korganizer is in the applications list could just use that too. |
| 18:41.08 | zinx | bahamat: xdelta |
| 18:41.10 | stouset | tosh|: Is there no way to use pam_smb? |
| 18:41.16 | zinx | bahamat: depending on what you actually want to do |
| 18:41.22 | si|vercat | MobyTurbo: that doesn't work either. v4l-config says something about no overlay support btw, is that relevant? |
| 18:41.23 | MobyTurbo | s/xmltv/xawtv |
| 18:41.36 | stouset | tosh|: Don't bother with duplicating local accounts. Just get your user account information and authentication over SMB through NSS and PAM. |
| 18:41.40 | bahamat | zinx: I'm actually trying to pull a gif out of a tcpdump |
| 18:41.43 | stouset | slasher_: Still there? :-) |
| 18:42.06 | zinx | bahamat: erh |
| 18:42.10 | bahamat | zinx: I think that one will work |
| 18:42.15 | zinx | bahamat: don't see why you need a diff then ;) |
| 18:42.17 | MobyTurbo | si|vercat: my card didn't start working until I told it manually the tuner type after trial and error. I don't think that's your problem though. |
| 18:42.50 | tosh| | stouset im already using pam to force the authentication through winbind |
| 18:42.51 | bahamat | zinx: well, I have the file mostly extracted, but it doesn't display |
| 18:43.10 | bahamat | zinx: I also have the real file to compare with, and I need to know what I'm doing wrong in my extraction process |
| 18:43.14 | kbrooks | Delph: er |
| 18:43.18 | kbrooks | both |
| 18:43.23 | stouset | tosh|: Isn't there an NSS module for user accounts? |
| 18:43.24 | zinx | bahamat: oh, xdelta probably won't help so much with that |
| 18:43.27 | kbrooks | er. all. |
| 18:43.28 | stouset | tosh|: For SMB, I mean |
| 18:43.46 | tosh| | stouset NSS being what? |
| 18:43.50 | bahamat | zinx: crappy |
| 18:44.21 | stouset | tosh|: Name Service Switch. It's a transparent backend for getting information like hosts, user account information, groups, etc. from multiple sources |
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| 18:44.39 | Delph | kbrooks: well, if you take the debian base system, then you can slim it down by only installing a few packages, and not keeping the deb archives around, and not installing the documentation. |
| 18:44.40 | stouset | tosh|: check out /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 18:44.43 | yang | hm, is there a GPE package made for debian? I can only get GPE-contacts |
| 18:44.43 | kullanici | xawtv don't show tv channels.. what should i do? |
| 18:44.54 | tosh| | stouset that one I know |
| 18:45.01 | Delph | kbrooks: but if you want to get it smaller than the base system, then it's almost worth just building it from scratch |
| 18:45.13 | doleyb | kullanici: you might ask in a myth channel, they do that problem a lot |
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| 18:45.17 | stouset | tosh|: there's an LDAP module for it; I'm using it myself |
| 18:45.32 | tosh| | stouset interesting |
| 18:45.34 | stouset | tosh|: just configure the LDAP module to wherever users and groups are stored |
| 18:45.37 | tosh| | stouset any docs I should look at? |
| 18:45.40 | kbrooks | Delph: I see. |
| 18:45.58 | tosh| | stouset how did you configure yours? |
| 18:46.01 | kullanici | what is myth ? |
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| 18:46.10 | stouset | tosh|: There are a lot of docs for authenticating over LDAP. Sadly, most of them aren't very good. |
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| 18:46.28 | tosh| | stouset I noticed the same thing when looking how to setup samba with win2k |
| 18:46.31 | doleyb | kullanici: myth is mythtv, the most popular program for linux tv cap cards. Mythtv support places can help you. |
| 18:46.33 | tosh| | win2k3 that is |
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| 18:46.47 | slasher_ | yeah, i'm here, just went to the bathroom |
| 18:46.50 | MobyTurbo | kullanici: xawtv doesn't work with me but tvtime does, but only after modprobing bttv with a tuner= parameter to tell it the tuner manually. I have no idea if that's *your* solution though. |
| 18:47.05 | pingouin_ | slasher_: clean behind the ears ? ;) |
| 18:47.17 | stouset | tosh|: That would be a long, long discussion :-) At its simplest, you just have to specify the locations for various types of information in the LDAP NSS config, and then edit /etc/nsswitch.conf to use LDAP as one of the backends. Installing nscd (name service caching daemon) is also recommended, to prevent repeated lookups. |
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| 18:47.25 | slasher_ | ah... always... |
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| 18:47.30 | pingouin_ | ;) |
| 18:47.34 | slasher_ | :P |
| 18:47.37 | stouset | tosh|: AD uses LDAP at its core, though, so it shouldn't be much different |
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| 18:47.48 | stouset | slasher_: I wouldn't recommend using ATI's fglrx installer. |
| 18:48.00 | tosh| | stouset I already have winbind as an authentication method in my nsswitch.conf |
| 18:48.08 | si|vercat | MobyTurbo: any suggestions? |
| 18:48.18 | stouset | tosh|: It's not authentication. It's UIDs and GIDs. |
| 18:48.26 | tosh| | stouset I see |
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| 18:48.36 | Malice9610 | i have a simple question, i currently have an Asus A7N8X 2.0 ( dreaded Nforce sound ) is the driver compatibility better within debian then it is Fedora core, or is the nforce a lost cause all together? |
| 18:48.37 | stouset | tosh|: i.e., great, I'm authenticated. Now I need to have a representation of my user in a UNIX environment. |
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| 18:48.51 | ganymed1234 | hallo |
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| 18:49.07 | stouset | tosh|: Also, look into pam_mkhomedir to create the home directory upon initial login |
| 18:49.21 | ganymed1234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.29 | RocksGt | hi, can anyone help me mounting a LVM partition please? |
| 18:49.37 | doleyb | Malice9610: you can definately install the drivers from nvidia.com, idk if debian has a wrapper for them. |
| 18:49.41 | chealer | Malice9610: which release of debian? is this nforce2? or 1? |
| 18:49.47 | MobyTurbo | si|vercat: I /joined the video for linux channel (forget what its called) and got help there. The only help I know how to give is how I got *my* tuner working, which seems to be different than your problem. |
| 18:49.50 | nevyn | RocksGt: you can't mount an lvm partition. |
| 18:49.51 | tosh| | stouset thats not needed really, the directory structure is already created |
| 18:49.59 | RocksGt | oh.... |
| 18:50.09 | stouset | tosh|: It was just a suggestion. But seriously, look into NSS and LDAP. |
| 18:50.20 | RocksGt | and how can i acces to my ntfs partitions? |
| 18:50.20 | kbrooks | hmmm' |
| 18:50.36 | tosh| | stouset I will, thanks for the info |
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| 18:50.39 | nevyn | RocksGt: you need an LVM volume to do that. |
| 18:50.45 | Malice9610 | its FC3 ( 2.6.11 ) and the Newest nforce drivers, the Debian would be sarge, and the FC is heidelberg |
| 18:50.59 | tosh| | nevyn why would he want that? |
| 18:51.06 | tosh| | RocksGt mount them? |
| 18:51.18 | ganymed1234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.19 | nevyn | tosh|: because LVM partitions are raw storage which LVM volumes sit on. |
| 18:51.34 | RocksGt | i already have a LVM volume with both ntfs partitions but i dont know how to acces it... |
| 18:51.34 | chealer | Malice9610: what do you mean by heidelberg? again do you know if it's nforce2? |
| 18:51.39 | nevyn | the correct terminology escapes me right now. |
| 18:51.40 | tosh| | nevyn I must have missed something, didn't know he was using lvm |
| 18:51.42 | Malice9610 | yes, its Nforce 2 |
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| 18:51.56 | Malice9610 | its the a7n8x 2.0 ( nforce 2 ) |
| 18:52.06 | doleyb | Malice9610: have you tried the nvidia.com installer? |
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| 18:52.26 | nevyn | RocksGt: umm have a look at /dev/mapper |
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| 18:52.34 | pingouin_ | the evil nvidia's installer ;) |
| 18:52.48 | pingouin_ | that i wish it work on debian 64 :/ |
| 18:53.16 | RocksGt | ls /dev/mapper control Windows-winC (this is my LVM volume) |
| 18:53.39 | chealer | Malice9610: heidelberg is the name of your mobo? |
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| 18:54.27 | nevyn | RocksGt: right so mount that. |
| 18:54.31 | RocksGt | i've tried "mount -t ntfs /dev/Windows/WinC /mnt/winC" but i got an error |
| 18:54.48 | RocksGt | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/Windows/winC, |
| 18:54.48 | RocksGt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:55.06 | przemek | hej |
| 18:55.12 | nevyn | RocksGt: try... /dev/mapper/Windows-winC rather than what you just wrote |
| 18:55.23 | nevyn | how did you get a ntfs partition on an LVM volume? |
| 18:55.36 | nevyn | just out of morbid curiosity. |
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| 18:55.40 | chealer | !tell Malice9610 about msg |
| 18:55.46 | RocksGt | same error... |
| 18:55.48 | przemek | i have small question but it would be great if anyone here speaks polish |
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| 18:55.51 | stouset | nevyn: That might be his problem ;) |
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| 18:56.08 | stouset | przemek: What do you need? |
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| 18:56.13 | fauxalliance | hello everyone |
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| 18:56.33 | przemek | i have WindowMaker but i can't see polish letters |
| 18:56.42 | przemek | neither in console nor firefox |
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| 18:56.46 | przemek | locales are on |
| 18:56.50 | nevyn | stouset: I didn't think that dynamic disks and LVM were compatible but I could be wrong. |
| 18:56.59 | valdyn | przemek: apt-cache search transcoded |
| 18:57.15 | stouset | przemek: Do you have appropriate fonts installed? |
| 18:57.36 | przemek | yes i have |
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| 18:57.40 | RocksGt | should i try with another type of partition? |
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| 18:58.19 | przemek | all with apt-get |
| 18:58.24 | slasher_ | stouset, what am i doing with that repository you gave me? I followed the dirrections on the site but it just says file not found |
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| 18:58.30 | nevyn | RocksGt: umm.. what do you want to do with this volume? |
| 18:58.37 | przemek | xfonts-100dpi-transcoded - 100 dpi fonts for X (transcoded from ISO 10646-1) |
| 18:58.38 | nevyn | what do you want to put on it? |
| 18:58.51 | przemek | only these apperas in apt-cache |
| 18:58.53 | stouset | slasher_: put that line into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:59.01 | kullanici | i need CARDLIST.bttv file in kernel source.. how can i get that ? |
| 18:59.05 | RocksGt | i only want to acces to my winXP partitions (read only) |
| 18:59.14 | slasher_ | did that |
| 18:59.24 | stouset | slasher_: apt-get update; apt-get install fglrx-kernel-src fglrx-driver |
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| 18:59.37 | stouset | slasher_: then build the driver against the kernel-headers for your kernel version |
| 18:59.38 | valdyn | przemek: do you have thos and the 75 dpi fonts installed? |
| 18:59.48 | slasher_ | didn't do that :) |
| 18:59.54 | nevyn | RocksGt: ok... where is your windows XP partition? |
| 19:00.20 | RocksGt | sda1 and sda2 both in the Windows-WinC LVM |
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| 19:01.04 | fauxalliance | does anyone have a moment for a shorewall question, i have the rule "AllowWeb net fw" however nmap states the port is closed |
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| 19:01.08 | t0mas | hi |
| 19:01.09 | TwistedEmo | What up guys. |
| 19:01.18 | TwistedEmo | Deadcat: U there? |
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| 19:01.30 | lalune | Does the Debian Jr. project still exist? |
| 19:01.38 | Maliuta | it would help if you had a recent version of libusb |
| 19:01.40 | Dabian | lalune : Yes. |
| 19:01.41 | Maliuta | oops |
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| 19:01.51 | mirak | WARNING: couldn't find framebuffer base address, try manual |
| 19:01.52 | t0mas | Hm... does anybody know if it hurts to install G++-3.3 or 3.4 on a woody install? |
| 19:01.52 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.57 | mirak | help |
| 19:02.12 | valdyn | fauxalliance: are you trying it from your fw? |
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| 19:02.45 | slasher_ | stouset, it says it couldn't find the package |
| 19:02.46 | TwistedEmo | How to you run a locate command in IRC? |
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| 19:02.58 | fauxalliance | valdyn, i have an external party trying it, as well as from the attached network |
| 19:03.01 | Sh4dowc4t | anybody know a good ftp client with a gui? |
| 19:03.19 | Aurelian | hey, i was wondering how many disks you need to install debian and x windows system, its dont fancy downloading all 7 :/ |
| 19:03.25 | TwistedEmo | Or anyone seen deadcat around? |
| 19:03.31 | Sh4dowc4t | Aurelian: you grab the netinstall |
| 19:03.32 | slasher_ | Sh4dowc4t, coreftp, but i'm not sre if it's for linux |
| 19:03.37 | Sh4dowc4t | and download what you need |
| 19:03.44 | fauxalliance | Sh4dowc4t, axyftp |
| 19:03.46 | Aurelian | right |
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| 19:03.59 | TwistedEmo | Aurelian: Download a Stable version... normally one CD then use APT-Get to upgrade |
| 19:04.01 | Sh4dowc4t | slasher_: doesn't seem like it's in apt-cache |
| 19:04.21 | si|vercat | MobyTurbo: do you use ivtv or bttv? |
| 19:04.24 | Sh4dowc4t | fauxalliance: hmm not in apt-cache either :/ |
| 19:04.29 | Aurelian | ok thanks :) |
| 19:04.36 | TwistedEmo | Aurelian: Google woody |
| 19:04.43 | TwistedEmo | and see if you cant download that |
| 19:04.43 | slasher_ | Aurelian, as long as you have dhcp running netinstall is the way to go |
| 19:04.44 | rob_lt | Is it ok to remove exim? I'm using a laptop, don't need a MTA, and it is slowing down the boot process. |
| 19:04.57 | TwistedEmo | or do what slasher_ said |
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| 19:05.02 | t0mas | rob_lt: don't remove it |
| 19:05.07 | t0mas | just don't start the daemon |
| 19:05.07 | k-dog | rob_lt: A local MTA is useful for system messages |
| 19:05.10 | t0mas | then it won't boot slower |
| 19:05.15 | t0mas | but you can still send mail afaik |
| 19:05.25 | Aurelian | yeah dhcp is running, il try a net install :) |
| 19:05.26 | nevyn | RocksGt: not anymore if you made them into an LVM parition in linux |
| 19:05.29 | rob_lt | so just do a update-rc.d -f remove exim or whatever? |
| 19:05.34 | TwistedEmo | So no ones seen deadcat around? That basterds always here... except when i need him hahah |
| 19:05.34 | t0mas | yes |
| 19:05.35 | k-dog | rob_lt: If you don't want it running by default, launch it from /etc/inetd.conf |
| 19:05.36 | valdyn | fauxalliance: your webserver is on your firewall? |
| 19:05.42 | k-dog | rob_lt: Don't do that. |
| 19:05.45 | fauxalliance | valdyn, yes sir |
| 19:05.49 | t0mas | that's even better... |
| 19:05.52 | t0mas | launching from inetd |
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| 19:05.59 | k-dog | rob_lt: ...if there's an entry in inetd.conf, it won't start from sysvinit. |
| 19:06.04 | hogballs | hi |
| 19:06.18 | rob_lt | k-dog, ok, I wasn't aware of that... thanks k-dog and t0mas |
| 19:06.21 | chealer | Aurelian: is this for your own desktop? |
| 19:06.25 | k-dog | rob_lt: NP. |
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| 19:06.34 | hogballs | how come java dont work in any browser... i mean 99 percent of people use java. why isnt it a debian package yet? |
| 19:06.38 | k-dog | rob_lt: You can find the logic that does that in /etc/init.d/exim4 |
| 19:06.54 | TwistedEmo | hogballs: Java works in firefox... |
| 19:07.05 | k-dog | rob_lt: if [ -f /etc/inetd.conf ] && grep -E -q "^ *([0-9.]+:)?smtp" /etc/inetd.conf |
| 19:07.09 | TwistedEmo | apt-get install java |
| 19:07.15 | t0mas | hm... next question: Can I install g++-3.3 or 3.4 (from testing) on a stable/woody install? |
| 19:07.20 | hogballs | firefox asked me for the plugin and it didnt install |
| 19:07.26 | TwistedEmo | apt-get install firefox |
| 19:07.51 | TwistedEmo | hogballs: Just download and install from java or use apt.. |
| 19:07.59 | TwistedEmo | from java.com I mean |
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| 19:08.06 | hogballs | i tried apt-get and it cant find the java package |
| 19:08.11 | chealer | hogballs: please quit trolling |
| 19:08.24 | hogballs | shut your mouth chealer |
| 19:08.32 | wireless | I am trying to figure out the correct parameters to mount my iPod. No matter what combination of parameters I try, the file permissions for the mounted files end up as user and group 99, which I think are root, and I cannot get rw permissions for the files. |
| 19:08.34 | wireless | mount -t hfsplus -o rw,defaults,user /dev/sda3 /media/ipod0 |
| 19:08.35 | wireless | results in |
| 19:08.37 | wireless | /dev/sda3 on /media/ipod0 type hfsplus (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 19:08.38 | wireless | total 1029 |
| 19:08.40 | wireless | drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10 May 5 10:13 . |
| 19:08.41 | wireless | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 May 6 07:53 .. |
| 19:08.43 | wireless | d-wx-wx-wt 1 99 99 3 Apr 7 2004 .Trashes |
| 19:08.44 | wireless | ---------- 1 root root 8388608 Jan 15 2004 .journal |
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| 19:08.46 | wireless | ---------- 1 root root 4096 Jan 15 2004 .journal_info_block |
| 19:08.48 | wireless | drwxr--r-- 1 emily emily 2 Dec 28 1962 Calendars |
| 19:08.49 | wireless | d--x--x--x 1 emily emily 4 Jan 23 1963 Contacts |
| 19:08.51 | wireless | d--x--x--x 1 emily emily 3 Jan 23 1963 Notes |
| 19:08.52 | wireless | drwxrwxrwx 1 99 99 5 May 5 13:30 iPod_Control |
| 19:08.53 | t0mas | ARG |
| 19:08.54 | wireless | I cannot read or write any of the files in Calendars, Contacts or Notes (no rw) and I cannot add music to iPod_Control (because of the user/group 99). |
| 19:08.57 | drac | !tell wireless about paste |
| 19:08.58 | TwistedEmo | wireless: Use #flood to show shit like that |
| 19:09.04 | t0mas | #flood next time |
| 19:09.11 | t0mas | oh... I'm lagging :X |
| 19:09.11 | wireless | I am sorry |
| 19:09.20 | chealer | damn where's debhelper |
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| 19:09.39 | slasher_ | idling |
| 19:09.45 | TwistedEmo | hogballs: You need to change your sources file and update your debian package.. |
| 19:09.59 | rob_lt | k-dog, so if I add the a single line that simply says "smtp" without the quotes to inetd.conf, that should be good? My regexp are not up to speed ;) |
| 19:10.12 | t0mas | and still nobody can tell me if it's ok to install g++-3.3 or 3.4 (from testing) on stable/woody? |
| 19:10.35 | Dabian | t0mas : Sure. |
| 19:10.39 | TwistedEmo | hogballs: Your probably running an older debian package... only reason why I can figure apt wouldnt show u java... also try apt-cache seach java |
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| 19:10.46 | Dabian | t0mas : depends on your system though. |
| 19:10.51 | k-dog | rob_lt: IIRC it's in inetd.conf already, commented. |
| 19:10.51 | hogballs | k |
| 19:10.53 | Dabian | probably |
| 19:10.55 | t0mas | ok, kernel 2.4.18-1-686 |
| 19:11.05 | t0mas | and it wants to remove it... |
| 19:11.07 | TwistedEmo | hogballs: Good luck... |
| 19:11.08 | TwistedEmo | '_ |
| 19:11.10 | t0mas | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 19:11.10 | t0mas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.10 | k-dog | rob_lt: Um. No, it's not. Sec. |
| 19:11.10 | TwistedEmo | ;) |
| 19:11.12 | Dabian | t0mas : I use 2.6 kernel. |
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| 19:11.19 | t0mas | I think both are a bad idea to remove? |
| 19:11.24 | rob_lt | there is a :MAIL: that I saw |
| 19:11.26 | hogballs | aptcache search java good god |
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| 19:11.49 | TwistedEmo | hogballs: LoL... it's all good... im a newb too.. |
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| 19:12.05 | t0mas | Dabian: you have a kernel from testing too? |
| 19:12.11 | Dabian | t0mas Yeah. |
| 19:12.14 | valdyn | fauxalliance: i would try replacing "net" w/ "all" |
| 19:12.18 | hogballs | i got alot of results with that command |
| 19:12.24 | Dabian | t0mas : Its not testing anymore though. |
| 19:12.28 | Dabian | t0mas : its frozen now. |
| 19:12.33 | t0mas | ah.. |
| 19:12.34 | hogballs | said jre was already installed |
| 19:12.34 | k-dog | rob_lt: do you have inetd.conf or xinetd.conf? |
| 19:12.36 | t0mas | almost in woody? |
| 19:12.41 | rob_lt | inetd |
| 19:12.54 | Dabian | ok .. the GUI is slow |
| 19:13.00 | hogballs | but yet when trying to see java application thru mozilla firefox it says its not installed |
| 19:13.40 | k-dog | rob_lt: smtp stream tcp nowait exim /opt/exim/bin/exim in.exim -bs |
| 19:13.45 | hogballs | i would like to see a debian package that will install all the plugins available for firefox |
| 19:13.51 | k-dog | rob_lt: From /usr/share/doc/exim4/spec.txt.gz |
| 19:13.57 | fauxalliance | valdyn, ill try that now, thanks |
| 19:14.02 | hogballs | like this: apt-get install firefoxplugins |
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| 19:14.06 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: thhere are debian packages that will install the DFSG free plugins that people have found useful |
| 19:14.12 | k-dog | hogballs: not yet available, though some plugins are packaged. |
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| 19:14.31 | hogballs | is the java plugin packaged? |
| 19:14.35 | rob_lt | k-dog, ok, thanks for all your help... I wouldn't have got that info on my own. |
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| 19:14.54 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: no, because the sun one is non-free. |
| 19:15.00 | hogballs | haha |
| 19:15.07 | k-dog | rob_lt: grep, zgrep, and knowing /usr/share/doc/<package> have what you're lookng for. |
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| 19:15.12 | hogballs | now its making since |
| 19:15.15 | httpdss | which is the name of the module for target tcpmss .. its to use it in make-kpkg --added-modules= |
| 19:15.16 | nevyn | bye rocks.. next time don't put your windows partitions in an LVM volume group unless you know what you're doing |
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| 19:15.43 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: ask dpkg about install java and mozilla-java |
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| 19:16.00 | k-dog | Anyone know why Galeon 1.3.20 isn't taking emacs keybindings when set via gconf-editor? |
| 19:16.13 | hogballs | dpkg install mozilla java |
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| 19:16.30 | wireless | dpkg: I used paste for my message - the form says http://channels.debian.net/paste/96. Now what do I do with the form? |
| 19:16.30 | drac | hogballs: /msg dpkg java |
| 19:16.40 | drac | wireless: dpkg is an bot. |
| 19:16.49 | hogballs | thanks |
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| 19:17.31 | pancake | how can I download a yet installed package with apt-get ? |
| 19:17.33 | wireless | Well, I have really demonstrated my newbieness....How can I recover from this and get some help with mount? |
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| 19:17.43 | drac | wireless: ---------- .journal files has this permission, being 000. |
| 19:17.44 | pancake | i want to reinstall the package |
| 19:17.53 | drac | wireless: chmod 755 .journal* |
| 19:17.56 | drac | wireless: or something .. |
| 19:18.07 | marcelo_maia | @locator flor do regg |
| 19:18.11 | derflo | pancake: have a look at /var/cache/apt |
| 19:18.22 | pancake | derflo it's not there |
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| 19:18.30 | pancake | i perform an apt-get clean |
| 19:18.34 | pancake | i want to redownload |
| 19:18.36 | fauxalliance | valdyn, thx1138 |
| 19:18.46 | derflo | apt-get -d ? |
| 19:18.58 | pancake | derflo nope, it says that's in the latest version |
| 19:19.16 | hogballs | great... so i have to jump thru hoops and walk over hot coals to get java working lol lol |
| 19:19.21 | wireless | drac: before we talk about mount, what did I accomplish by using paste? Is the message somehow viewable by everyone? |
| 19:19.30 | derflo | pancake: is it only one package? |
| 19:19.35 | wireless | Did I miss a step |
| 19:19.41 | nevyn | ;) |
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| 19:19.52 | pancake | derflo : yes. |
| 19:19.53 | paulswm | hogballs: you know java's working when you can smeell the brimstone. |
| 19:19.55 | pancake | makedev |
| 19:19.58 | derflo | use a webbrowser |
| 19:20.08 | drac | wireless: No, it's just consired very rude to paste something in channel. |
| 19:20.20 | derflo | go to debian.org, browse the archive and download it |
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| 19:20.36 | wireless | drac: I realize that now...How do I use paste to communicate with the channel? |
| 19:20.41 | pancake | derflo ugly solution :) |
| 19:20.51 | pancake | well.. it seems that makedev is broken for dvb support |
| 19:20.52 | derflo | pancake: it is a solution |
| 19:20.57 | pancake | i'll have to do it by hand |
| 19:21.14 | marcelo_maia | @locator festa no ape |
| 19:21.18 | paulswm | wireless: ask whomever you want to see th paste to join #flood, then paste in there, for example |
| 19:21.20 | drac | wireless: Explain your problem, and include link to paste in question? |
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| 19:21.29 | paulswm | !paste |
| 19:21.29 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 19:21.51 | pancake | well, thanks |
| 19:21.53 | pancake | bye! |
| 19:22.05 | wireless | drac: thanks! |
| 19:22.10 | slasher_ | ...if linux was more point and click more people would use it... |
| 19:22.27 | ignatz | it is already isnt it |
| 19:22.28 | ignatz | heh |
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| 19:22.53 | paulswm | The only good point and click interface is manufactured by Smith and Wesson |
| 19:23.01 | slasher_ | not when i have to download the kernel sources to get video drivers.... |
| 19:23.14 | davFr | hi! Is there an observable gain in using the amd64 port of Sarge over x86 version, please? Is there a benchmark somewhere? thanks. |
| 19:23.19 | kullanici | xmms play musics but no sound with tv :( what can i do? |
| 19:23.19 | ignatz | well then obviously your gfx card sux |
| 19:23.21 | ignatz | or is called nvidia |
| 19:23.22 | ignatz | hehe |
| 19:23.26 | wireless | If I may start again? I am having problems with mount. The details are at http://channels.debian.net/paste/96. (is this the right way to do it?) |
| 19:23.30 | slasher_ | what about that kalashnikov guy? that was pretty point and click |
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| 19:24.12 | slasher_ | ignatz, at least nvidia drivers work out of the box |
| 19:24.24 | ignatz | then with which gfx cards |
| 19:24.26 | ignatz | are you having problems |
| 19:24.31 | slasher_ | ati |
| 19:24.35 | ignatz | or card even |
| 19:24.37 | ignatz | hmm |
| 19:24.40 | kullanici | ? |
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| 19:24.54 | w00t | i need some one that can crack java games cuz i lost my pwd |
| 19:25.02 | davFr | wireless: did you try "chmod" on those dirs? |
| 19:25.05 | Caramel | hi |
| 19:25.15 | davFr | 'lo |
| 19:25.16 | ignatz | w00t while your on it get me someone to crack credit card pins i lost mine |
| 19:25.16 | marcelo_maia | @locator latino festa no ape |
| 19:25.33 | Caramel | how can one, if root, find what other users are doing on the machine ? is there a who attribue for it ? |
| 19:25.48 | tosh| | Caramel look at the processes with "ps aux" |
| 19:25.48 | drac | slasher_: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-modules/index.html, have you seen this? Flavio prepackaged fglrx module for some debian kernels. |
| 19:25.52 | k-dog | Caramel: 'w' |
| 19:26.01 | davFr | caramel : type "w" |
| 19:26.12 | w00t | i need some one that can crack java games |
| 19:26.13 | k-dog | Caramel: There's also the accounting package which logs all commands by all users. |
| 19:26.27 | slasher_ | i'm looking at that from another url |
| 19:26.27 | Caramel | k-dog: where is that at ? |
| 19:26.43 | w00t | how can i crack java games |
| 19:26.44 | Caramel | davFr: who -w <username> ? |
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| 19:27.12 | k-dog | Caramel: Sec. |
| 19:27.12 | mvejen | w00T: by hacking 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:27.17 | w00t | ilol |
| 19:27.19 | wireless | davFr: no only because I am trying to use gtkpod to mount the iPod using /etc/fstab. My thought is to get mount from the command line to work correclty and then add the appropriate parameters inot /etc/fstab |
| 19:27.24 | k-dog | w00t: Behave. |
| 19:27.25 | davFr | caramel : i think it is about the same. But "w" is shorter |
| 19:27.25 | Xenguy | .oO(he's got to be kidding) |
| 19:27.32 | k-dog | Caramel: 'acct' package. |
| 19:27.43 | w00t | i lost my pwd |
| 19:27.52 | Xenguy | bye |
| 19:27.55 | tosh| | w00t get a new one |
| 19:27.57 | k-dog | w00t: last call. Behave. |
| 19:28.12 | w00t | what you mean |
| 19:28.15 | w00t | behave |
| 19:28.32 | davFr | wireless: maybe you must force right values once at least. |
| 19:28.35 | k-dog | w00t: This channel is about Debian and debian support. Stay on topic. |
| 19:28.36 | tosh| | w00t go ask #java |
| 19:28.45 | w00t | ok |
| 19:28.48 | Caramel | k-dog: works on all linux ? |
| 19:28.54 | Caramel | k-dog: works on all linux distros ? |
| 19:28.54 | k-dog | Caramel: Yes. |
| 19:29.14 | Caramel | k-dog: whats package in that sense ? |
| 19:29.15 | wireless | devFr: you mean mount the iPod, do a manual chmod, then umount, and then mount again? |
| 19:29.24 | paulswm | Oh, I geddit, wondered who k-dog was for a moment |
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| 19:29.38 | davFr | wireless: yes |
| 19:30.02 | k-dog | Caramel: Sorry? Clarify your question. |
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| 19:30.39 | wireless | devFr: Ok, I will give it a try. Would that be chmod a+rw /media/ipod0? Should I also chown emily.emily /media/ipod0? |
| 19:30.55 | stouset | wrieless: why are you trying to chmod something on your ipod? |
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| 19:31.04 | stouset | wireless: I've got mine working, didn't need to do any of that |
| 19:31.19 | davFr | all : sorry, 've to go do some inline skating in Paris streets. A huge crowd, traffic stopped, etc. From 10pm to 1am every Friday. |
| 19:31.35 | k-dog | Caramel: ?? |
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| 19:31.56 | davFr | wireless : just try +rw for the moment! then more is useful ! bye :o) |
| 19:32.09 | derflo | !dpkg flamewar |
| 19:32.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, flamewar is that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python |
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| 19:32.12 | wireless | stouset: I posted my problem at http://channels.debian.net/paste/96. Basically, I canno t get the right mount command to access the iPod |
| 19:32.15 | Caramel | k-dog: what should you run exactly ? |
| 19:32.16 | addNtoX | hi folksss |
| 19:32.20 | FieldySnuts | @start an editor war |
| 19:32.21 | ravenbird | nano sucks |
| 19:32.26 | FieldySnuts | that won't start a war |
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| 19:32.40 | wireless | devFr: thanks! |
| 19:32.43 | w00t | whats nessus for???? |
| 19:32.44 | derflo | !start an editor war |
| 19:32.44 | dpkg | "cat >" sucks |
| 19:32.44 | mvejen | emacs !!!! i'm even running my irc client in emacs |
| 19:32.45 | stouset | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.55 | k-dog | dpkg: galeon emacs keybindings is ensure 'gnome-settings-daemon' is running (and tell me why it doesn't always). Set /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme = "Emacs" in gconf-editor. Should apply immediately. |
| 19:32.55 | dpkg | okay, k-dog |
| 19:32.57 | FieldySnuts | heh, cat > |
| 19:33.07 | k-dog | Caramel: Restate your question |
| 19:33.12 | k-dog | Caramel: Clearly and completely. |
| 19:33.13 | FieldySnuts | ow! |
| 19:33.17 | wireless | souset: Oh..you don't use hfsplus?? |
| 19:33.30 | k-dog | !lart tab completion. |
| 19:33.30 | w00t | whats nessus for? |
| 19:33.34 | stouset | wireless: ah, no, my other machine is a Windows system. |
| 19:33.36 | FieldySnuts | w00t: www.nessus.org |
| 19:33.38 | stouset | w00t: network scanning |
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| 19:33.43 | nomed^ | hi |
| 19:33.43 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 19:33.48 | Caramel | k-dog: you said to do 'acct' package but I dont understand that one |
| 19:33.50 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hello, how are you? |
| 19:33.51 | w00t | thanks |
| 19:33.52 | nomed^ | how to make an audio cd? |
| 19:33.53 | FieldySnuts | Phated: great |
| 19:33.59 | stouset | Caramel: install the "acct" package. |
| 19:34.02 | paulswm | !prise Phated |
| 19:34.03 | stouset | Caramel: apt-get install acct |
| 19:34.11 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 19:34.13 | k-dog | Caramel: aptitude install acct; man sa ac |
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| 19:34.22 | FieldySnuts | dphase: irritate paulswm |
| 19:34.25 | FieldySnuts | dphase: wrong person |
| 19:34.27 | Caramel | oh ok , is there an rpm for it ? |
| 19:34.28 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Cool. |
| 19:34.29 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 19:34.30 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate paulswm |
| 19:34.31 | dpkg | paulswm: hi every1 how can I make my lindows werkz kthx |
| 19:34.32 | k-dog | Caramel: Turns on process accounting. You can get a detailed report of who ran what when. |
| 19:34.34 | paulswm | Nyah nyah |
| 19:34.38 | stouset | wireless: have you tried the umask options? |
| 19:34.44 | derflo | !help |
| 19:34.48 | wireless | stouset: the ipod I have is hfsplus...I have read bad stoires about converting to vfat. That is why I stayed with hfsplus. |
| 19:34.55 | FieldySnuts | apt: fix derflo |
| 19:34.57 | apt | ACTION takes derflo to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 19:34.57 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 19:35.09 | wireless | stouset: yes, I tried umask=0222 with the same result |
| 19:35.10 | paulswm | :beat FieldySnuts |
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| 19:35.13 | paulswm | !beat FieldySnuts |
| 19:35.15 | FieldySnuts | nyah, wrong channel |
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| 19:35.15 | stouset | wireless: that's fine, but it should have "umask=0002", probably |
| 19:35.20 | paulswm | Heh |
| 19:35.23 | Phated | Hah. |
| 19:35.36 | w00t | man im learning alot of stull that pice of crack windows i was newbing alot |
| 19:35.46 | w00t | stuff |
| 19:36.15 | derflo | thanks |
| 19:36.18 | stouset | wireless: umask=0222 would prevent the drive from being written to at all. |
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| 19:36.36 | k-dog | Caramel: What specific information do you want? |
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| 19:36.55 | k-dog | w00t: While you're learning stuff, pick up typing. |
| 19:37.04 | w00t | damn i cant type normal cuz this laptop is so small |
| 19:37.06 | k-dog | Caramel: !RPM. DEBs. |
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| 19:37.31 | dondelelcaro | Unless you're typing on a blackberry it's not *that* bad... |
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| 19:37.53 | Phated | Unless you have hugely oversized fingers, nothing is that bad. |
| 19:37.53 | zaikxtox | hello. someone tryed debian on athlon64 ? it's really good that? |
| 19:37.55 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: ...there's a reason it's called "hunt'n'peck" |
| 19:38.07 | k-dog | Phated: Why do gorillas have big nostrils? |
| 19:38.13 | paulswm | !prize k-dog |
| 19:38.28 | paulswm | They have short fat fingers |
| 19:38.31 | k-dog | zaikxtox: it's still beta, mostly works, apparently... |
| 19:38.37 | Phated | k-dog: They don't use computers, their fingers don't evolve to skinny little ones. |
| 19:38.53 | tosh| | ah yes, evolution, what a hype that was |
| 19:38.53 | hear_no_evil | anybody on here running 2.6.11 w/an i810 sound card? i upgraded the other day and everything but sound works. used to work under 2.6.8 and still does if I boot that kernel. |
| 19:38.56 | k-dog | Phated: ...and do you know what they say about guys who have big feet? |
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| 19:39.08 | stew | they need bigger shoes |
| 19:39.10 | zaikxtox | k-dog, and does it has a real performance advantage? |
| 19:39.11 | Phated | k-dog: That they usually have too little blood left for their brains. |
| 19:39.15 | paulswm | Of _course_ they use computers, they're in here all the time |
| 19:39.16 | tosh| | hear_no_evil running 2.6.10 here with i810 sound, no problems here |
| 19:39.20 | k-dog | zaikxtox: /join #debian-amd64 |
| 19:39.22 | Phated | paulswm: Hah. |
| 19:39.23 | wireless | stouset: hmmm, I will try that right now. thanks! |
| 19:39.25 | tosh| | hear_no_evil sure you didn't mess alsa up? |
| 19:39.34 | rob_lt | hear_no_evil, sound wasn't working for me with 2.6.11 either, with snd_intel8x0 |
| 19:39.40 | derflo | !prize dpkg |
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| 19:39.46 | dondelelcaro | zaikxtox: for most users it probably doesn't make much difference unless you need to address large amounts of memory. |
| 19:39.51 | rob_lt | hear_no_evil, it's the kernel |
| 19:39.51 | hear_no_evil | the wierd thing is that some sound works. i can play mp3s but nothing else works. no movies have sound, gaim doesn't use sounds anymore... |
| 19:39.54 | Phated | k-dog: In any case, I should hope you don't type with your feet. |
| 19:39.57 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 19:39.57 | dpkg | paulswm: :) |
| 19:39.57 | hear_no_evil | i didn't touch anything with alsa |
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| 19:40.22 | appaji | hear_no_evil: alsaconf again? |
| 19:40.34 | zaikxtox | thanks k-dog |
| 19:40.35 | k-dog | Phated: Only when my hands are occupied. |
| 19:40.42 | wireless | stouset: no change using umask=0002 |
| 19:40.48 | k-dog | zaikxtox: Np |
| 19:40.50 | derflo | rob_lt: worked for me |
| 19:40.54 | stouset | wireless: I see...is there already data on the ipod that you care about |
| 19:41.04 | lilo78 | It does not record to me...: cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speedy=4 dsl*.iso |
| 19:41.04 | hear_no_evil | appaji: i'm not sure what you mean? i never had to touch this with 2.4.x or 2.6.8, it just worked. |
| 19:41.13 | Phated | k-dog: You do type with your feet, then. |
| 19:41.20 | wireless | stouset: no - this is a fresh out of the box iPod. never been used. |
| 19:41.25 | k-dog | Phated: asdf;;jqww |
| 19:41.28 | stouset | wireless: ah, great |
| 19:41.31 | derflo | rob_lt: maybe something with you kernel opts? |
| 19:41.34 | stouset | wireless: wipe the files on it, open gtkpod |
| 19:41.46 | stouset | File->Create iPod's Directories |
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| 19:42.11 | wireless | stouset: how do I "wipe the files on it"? |
| 19:42.13 | lilo78 | It does not record to me...: cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speedy=4 dsl*.iso |
| 19:42.22 | shingouz | wireless: Trying to mount ntfs as a user? |
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| 19:42.24 | tosh| | how much cpu/memory do I need to let a host transfer at 100Mbit/sec (considering it has a 100Mbit NIC) |
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| 19:42.41 | k-dog | tosh|: mu |
| 19:42.49 | wireless | shingouz: no, not ntfs, hfsplus |
| 19:42.52 | rob_lt | derflo, I'm not passing any kernel opts, but I'm happy with 2.6.8 anyway, for now. |
| 19:42.54 | stouset | wireless: mount as root, rm -r * in /media/ipod |
| 19:43.04 | tosh| | k-dog excuse me? |
| 19:43.08 | shingouz | tosh|: I think the biggest thing would be to have PCI as the bus |
| 19:43.14 | k-dog | !mu |
| 19:43.14 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
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| 19:43.20 | shingouz | wireless: Try umask 022 |
| 19:43.26 | tosh| | shingouz its pci |
| 19:43.34 | shingouz | tosh|: Should be able to do it |
| 19:43.38 | lilo78 | cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speedy=4 dsl*.iso |
| 19:43.41 | debian_user | can anybody tell me where debian puts the apache source tree by default? |
| 19:43.43 | lilo78 | Not record |
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| 19:43.44 | lilo78 | :( |
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| 19:44.00 | tosh| | shingouz I have a pentium 350 here with 64megs of ram... should that be able to handle 100Mbit? |
| 19:44.19 | k-dog | tosh|: First of, that's impossible (there's overhead). Second: it's largely irrelevant. Thirdly: mostly affected by whether or not you've got a switched (full duplex) vs hubbed (half-duplex) network. Fourth, protocol used is significant. 'netcat' is among your faster options, but smb, http, and ftp should be fast. SSH introduces crypto overhead. |
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| 19:44.36 | shingouz | tosh|: The biggest thig is how fast your network is, how fast your drives are and if your bus is able to handle it. Your computer *should* be up to it |
| 19:44.50 | k-dog | tosh|: Practical max xmission rate is ~80-90% theoretical |
| 19:44.51 | wireless | stouset: I thought you would say that. Just to satisfy my paranoia...I won't be wiping out any important system files that way? I read how to convert to vfat and there were lots of caveats about backing up the uint first to preserve important system files. |
| 19:44.52 | shingouz | tosh|: Try it and if it doesnt work, get somethign bigger |
| 19:45.08 | rob_lt | lilo78, are you trying to burn multiple iso's onto a single CD? AFAIK, a single iso is a single CD image. |
| 19:45.11 | k-dog | tosh|: That said, a 386/16 should handle 100 Mb/s |
| 19:45.28 | tosh| | k-dog thats a bit low if you ask me |
| 19:45.28 | debian_user | can anybody tell me where debian puts the apache source tree by default? |
| 19:45.28 | koollman_ | k-dog: depends of what he does with it |
| 19:45.31 | shingouz | k-dog: Yup as long as it is either MCA or EISA |
| 19:45.32 | wireless | shingouz: doesn't umask need 4 digits? |
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| 19:45.48 | shingouz | wireless: man 2 umask. should work with three |
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| 19:46.09 | k-dog | tosh|: Disk would be limiting factor. What I'm saying is that a PIII/64 is *not* your bottleneck. |
| 19:46.22 | stouset | wireless: I can't say I've ever tried it, to be honest. But the functionality is supposedly there. |
| 19:46.26 | k-dog | wireless: 3/4, depending. |
| 19:46.54 | rob_lt | lilo78, does your device show up with "cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus"? |
| 19:46.56 | k-dog | tosh|: My experience with a 486/32 was that the box wasn't limiting on xmission rate. |
| 19:47.08 | tosh| | k-dog okay |
| 19:47.17 | wireless | shingouz: same result as before using umask=022 |
| 19:47.19 | lilo78 | rob_lt: Yes ATAPI |
| 19:47.37 | derflo | cu guys |
| 19:48.04 | wireless | k-dog: thanks! |
| 19:48.15 | mh_le | does anyone know og a good calender app? |
| 19:48.19 | shingouz | !tell wireless about hfs |
| 19:48.29 | shingouz | wireless: Did you already read that one? |
| 19:48.31 | Maliuta | mh_le: cal? |
| 19:48.32 | P8ntKid | How can i reconfigure the time |
| 19:48.34 | P8ntKid | with the internet |
| 19:48.45 | mh_le | Maliuta: do you have a url for that? |
| 19:48.51 | dfzi | P8ntKid, ntpd |
| 19:49.03 | P8ntKid | as root or no |
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| 19:49.15 | wireless | shingouz: no...against my better judgement, I will ask anyway ;-)...what is hfs? |
| 19:49.19 | dfzi | P8ntKid, what do you think? |
| 19:49.28 | P8ntKid | root |
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| 19:49.29 | slasher_ | i gotta kill the xserver, brb |
| 19:49.38 | w00t | do any one in here no any nessus host? |
| 19:49.41 | shingouz | wireless: Read the stuff dpkg jsut sent you ;) |
| 19:49.47 | appaji | hear_no_evil: works fine for me. I just upgraded to 2.6.11. |
| 19:49.55 | shingouz | wireless: Mac-stuff to be short and concise |
| 19:50.00 | Kerr | how can i find out my current localle ? |
| 19:50.04 | P8ntKid | the comand doesnt work |
| 19:50.13 | shingouz | w00t: Huh? |
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| 19:50.27 | wireless | shingouz: I like it - HFS!! |
| 19:50.28 | appaji | hear_no_evil: can you backup your /var/lib/alsa/asound.state and run alsaconf once as root? |
| 19:50.35 | w00t | where i can find a nessusd host? |
| 19:50.47 | shingouz | w00t: apt-cache search nessus |
| 19:51.05 | wireless | shingouz: can I just delete the files in /media/ipod0 and have gtk pod recreate them? |
| 19:51.06 | shingouz | w00t: In a nutshell, install and run |
| 19:51.21 | Kerr | meh, got it.. |
| 19:51.28 | shingouz | wireless: How the hell would I know? I do not have an iPod or hfs for that matter :p |
| 19:51.42 | wireless | shingouz: ok...thanks! |
| 19:51.58 | _daniel_ | I need some java2-runtime package |
| 19:52.10 | stouset | wireless: I believe that's how it works. |
| 19:52.11 | _daniel_ | Any good repositories apart from debian mirrors ? |
| 19:52.17 | stouset | wireless: But I have stuff on my ipod, so don't want to try |
| 19:52.20 | shingouz | wireless: Maybe you should tyr if it works? Of course you are bound to screw up about umpteenthousand hours worth of music... |
| 19:52.32 | rob_lt | lilo78, try "cdrecord -v speed=? dev=ATAPI:#,#,# -data cd_image.iso" where #,#,# is the device and ? is the speed you want to burn at |
| 19:52.50 | rob_lt | lilo78, for example, cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,0,0 -data myfiles.iso |
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| 19:52.57 | lilo78 | Ok |
| 19:53.01 | rob_lt | lilo78, for example, cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -data myfiles.iso |
| 19:53.07 | rob_lt | sorry, missed the ATAPI: |
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| 19:53.28 | w00t | how can i update bit torrent |
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| 19:53.40 | lilo78 | rob_lt: Ok |
| 19:53.52 | P8ntKid | How can i change my time, or have it set by the internet |
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| 19:54.02 | bahamat | w00t: it's written in python, so you can use vi |
| 19:54.02 | shingouz | fsck.. I need to update the firmware on a 3com 737 wlan card and just to do that I had to boot up my only still-running windows installation. At the moment the w95 is figuring out if I actually plugged in a card or not. Very annoying excuse for an o/s |
| 19:54.11 | rob_lt | lilo78, nautilus for gnome and k3b for kde are both good gui frontends that can burn iso's for you too. |
| 19:54.32 | tosh| | P8ntKid use "ntpdate" |
| 19:54.40 | wireless | stouset: Can a user user an ipod with different computers? I was thinking I could have a friend who has a mac put a song on the ipod to "initialize it" (since it has never been used before) and then I could see what happens with mount. |
| 19:54.42 | paulswm | P8ntKid: ntpdate or chrony |
| 19:54.52 | shingouz | w00t: When was the latst time you did the apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on your computer? |
| 19:55.07 | w00t | neveer |
| 19:55.19 | P8ntKid | it sais comand not found |
| 19:55.20 | w00t | like 2sec |
| 19:55.22 | lilo78 | Use enlightenment but I have k3b. Quiero in console. |
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| 19:55.28 | wireless | stouset: the ipod would be "initialized" (whatever that means) to my firends mac and his account on that mac |
| 19:55.32 | tosh| | P8ntKid then install the ntp client |
| 19:55.37 | bahamat | P8ntKid: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 19:55.37 | P8ntKid | k |
| 19:55.53 | paolob | Hi guys! Is there a public dns server like 4.2.2.2? How is it precisely? |
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| 19:56.40 | wireless | stouset: I am counfused why running mount as root would not change the permissions on the ipod and why 99 appears as the uid and guid. |
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| 19:56.58 | P8ntKid | Thanks tosh| |
| 19:57.13 | w00t | how can i intall my upgrades? |
| 19:57.25 | rob_lt | lilo78, there is also bashburn if you just want to use CLI. |
| 19:57.29 | P8ntKid | apt-get uprade |
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| 19:57.39 | paulswm | Have any zombies been in here eating brains today? |
| 19:57.47 | w00t | does its install it self |
| 19:57.52 | drac | istall that uprade. |
| 19:57.53 | P8ntKid | it should |
| 19:58.05 | maxy | A friend (using debian testing) has the problem that all relevant files in /usr/share/locale are missing, eg no hello.mo after apt-get install hello. Anyone knows this? |
| 19:58.32 | shingouz | w00t: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade takes care of it |
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| 19:58.36 | maxy | the files seem to get installed and then deleted again |
| 19:58.47 | boubou | it's save to remove the initrd from the menu.lst conf in /boot, right? |
| 19:58.50 | w00t | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 19:58.50 | k-dog | maxy: Is s/he using locale-purge? |
| 19:58.58 | muaddib | Correct me if I am wrong but has it been decided for debian to drop support for sparc |
| 19:59.06 | paulswm | shingouz: you are being captured by the gravity of a planet you don't want to be orbiting :) |
| 19:59.17 | w00t | what i do now |
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| 19:59.25 | k-dog | !tell muaddib about vancouver |
| 19:59.28 | hyde | how to use parted to shrink the "/" partition? |
| 19:59.41 | k-dog | hyde: Create backups first. |
| 19:59.54 | lilo78 | rob_lt: Ok I install bashburn. Thanks! |
| 19:59.54 | k-dog | hyde: ... & BOAKYAGB |
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| 20:00.09 | Vladi | hi, can someone please tell me the proper way to get pppoe getting to autostart after a reboot it work when i do pppoeconf and i select start at boot but after a reboot it doesn not start? |
| 20:00.14 | hyde | k-dog ? |
| 20:00.26 | k-dog | hyde: It involves bending and kissing. |
| 20:00.41 | hyde | have you done that before? |
| 20:00.44 | k-dog | hyde: I'm exceptionally leary of interactive partition modifications, particularly w/o backups. |
| 20:00.45 | shingouz | paulswm: Huh? What did I do now? |
| 20:01.05 | maxy | k-dog: YES! Thank you, that should be it :-) |
| 20:01.06 | k-dog | hyde: My advice is don't do it. My other advice is don't whinge here when your data's gone. |
| 20:01.06 | Lee__ | would there exist a resource on embedding Debian onto a CF card? |
| 20:01.08 | paulswm | shingouz: I mean your conversation with woot |
| 20:01.12 | shingouz | w00t: What did you do |
| 20:01.16 | paulswm | shingouz: was kidding |
| 20:01.25 | k-dog | maxy: reconfigure it. IIRC dpkg-reconfigure locale-purge. |
| 20:01.25 | w00t | i upgred |
| 20:01.28 | shingouz | paulswm: Yea, I am thinking about getting a pair of pliers |
| 20:01.30 | w00t | upgrade |
| 20:01.41 | k-dog | maxy: ...you may need to reinstall packages w/ purged locale files. |
| 20:01.43 | shingouz | w00t: and what happened? |
| 20:02.00 | shingouz | w00t: I am not in a psychic mood today so you have to talk to me |
| 20:02.01 | hyde | k-dog: I forgot to install the swap partition. I have to get some space somewhere. |
| 20:02.11 | w00t | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:02.19 | shingouz | w00t: And use my nick when you say something |
| 20:02.21 | k-dog | hyde: That's nice. See above. |
| 20:02.36 | w00t | . |
| 20:02.45 | k-dog | hyde: Back up your data. Anything else and you're on your own. I'm not going to assist you with this. You've been warned. Have a nice day. |
| 20:02.57 | maxy | k-dog: thanks. We actually spent hours setting environment variables *lol* |
| 20:03.02 | w00t | how i use you name |
| 20:03.13 | k-dog | maxy: Heh. |
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| 20:03.31 | hyde | k-dog It's a test system. |
| 20:04.00 | k-dog | hyde: I'm sorry, I'm supposed to care? |
| 20:04.03 | k-dog | hyde: Have a nice day. |
| 20:04.08 | shingouz | !tell w00t about nicktab |
| 20:04.21 | shingouz | (jfc these n00bs...) |
| 20:04.45 | paulswm | hyde google and research, stuff about parted and partition and filesystem resizing is readily available. |
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| 20:05.11 | w00t | shingouz: i upgrade and its done |
| 20:05.34 | w00t | shingouz: how do i install |
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| 20:06.18 | shingouz | w00t: Install what? |
| 20:06.30 | axelx123 | my java applets do not run in debian. what packages shall i install?? |
| 20:06.44 | w00t | shingouz: to upgrade does it install it self |
| 20:06.48 | paulswm | Heh |
| 20:07.02 | shingouz | w00t: WTF you talking about? |
| 20:07.28 | w00t | shingouz: dude do the upgrade install the up grade its self or i have to install my self |
| 20:07.30 | axelx123 | axelx123 .... |
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| 20:08.12 | wireless | stouset: can you do an ls -al on your ipod from you rlinux mount and tell me what the permissions and owners of the files? |
| 20:08.26 | Cyis | ack... forgot rule #1 wrt kernel rebuilds... if you're not 100% certain of the build... don't try to reboot remotely |
| 20:08.34 | shingouz | w00t: You do not make a lot of sense now but I suspect you are asking if apt-get took care of upgrading your system. If you did what you were supposed to do, yes it took care of the whole upgrade |
| 20:08.43 | appaji | axelx123: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 20:08.55 | stouset | wireless: #flood |
| 20:08.57 | adjacent | Cyis: stings, doesnt it =/ |
| 20:09.19 | Cyis | yeah... to see the ping reply go unanswered |
| 20:09.25 | w00t | shingouz: ok |
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| 20:09.51 | adjacent | do you not have the serial port connected to a colocated machine? |
| 20:09.55 | Cyis | just have to wait 3-4 more hours and I can go home and fix it... as well as make up with the computer and give it another 512MB DDR400 RAM :) |
| 20:10.09 | w00t | shingouz: ok i upgrade do i need to do any thinking els? |
| 20:10.23 | Cyis | adjacent: no... unfortunately never bothered to setup serial port connectivity |
| 20:10.39 | shingouz | w00t: ? |
| 20:10.42 | paulswm | I'm going to need more popcorn. |
| 20:11.02 | Ronin | paulswm: best get a beer to wash it down too :) |
| 20:11.05 | shingouz | paulswm: Get me a bucket of Tylenol while youre at it, please |
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| 20:11.24 | Cyis | should see if work would let me buy the Cisco terminal server we're not using from them :) |
| 20:11.28 | w00t | i have flash player i have mplayer and java and xchat all i install my self |
| 20:12.08 | nomed^ | ho to get a folder with its content with wget? |
| 20:12.22 | nomed^ | wget -m doesn't do what i would |
| 20:12.38 | nomed^ | s/ho/how |
| 20:12.41 | paulswm | Ronin: indeed, but all I have here is a glass of highly inferior port/ |
| 20:12.47 | stouset | nomed^: That might be difficult, unless you have direct access to the directory |
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| 20:13.13 | nomed^ | stouset, http://dotfiles.com/files/ |
| 20:13.15 | Dabian | hduy : Don't IRC as root, you villian! |
| 20:13.39 | stouset | nomed^: Hm, how does -m not do what you expect? |
| 20:13.43 | shingouz | w00t: You installed from source? And use my nick when you address something to me, makes it easier to read. /msg dpkg nicktab *and read what dpkg tells you* |
| 20:14.02 | nomed^ | it takes index.html .. |
| 20:14.19 | paulswm | !tell hduy about root |
| 20:14.25 | nomed^ | i would restrict it just to the real content of folders .. |
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| 20:15.26 | w00t | omg |
| 20:15.29 | stouset | Holy crap. |
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| 20:15.38 | stouset | I didn't realize nicktabbing worked for Gaim. |
| 20:15.40 | paulswm | o.O |
| 20:15.41 | stouset | Until just now. |
| 20:15.42 | w00t | i dont know what version of debian i have???????????? |
| 20:15.43 | n0dez | hey |
| 20:15.52 | stouset | shingouz: I love you =P |
| 20:16.26 | paulswm | w00t: what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
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| 20:17.14 | n0dez | oops |
| 20:17.17 | n0dez | sorry |
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| 20:18.25 | w00t | where i can go to see what version of debian i have |
| 20:18.25 | Ronin | w00t: paulswm told you already |
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| 20:18.26 | paulswm | w00t: I just told you |
| 20:18.26 | paulswm | *rolleyes* |
| 20:18.48 | dman13 | I am in a situation where I need to create a file >2GB over a smbfs mount. Supposedly LFS was added to smbfs in kernel 2.5.6. I am using 2.6.10, however it fails. Any suggestions? Thanks. |
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| 20:19.01 | stouset | dman13: does the remote filesystem support it? |
| 20:19.06 | a44030 | pgmonitor package is broken (sarge) |
| 20:19.12 | stouset | dman13: IIRC, NTFS has problems with >2GB files |
| 20:19.19 | dman13 | stouset: yes, it's a win2k system with ntfs. |
| 20:19.31 | dman13 | stouset: really? do you have any pointers on that? |
| 20:19.49 | dman13 | stouset: I've been told that the win2k system in question has some >2GB files on it already |
| 20:19.51 | Deviuz | join |
| 20:19.54 | shingouz | paulswm: Can I have some popcorn too ;) |
| 20:19.58 | Deviuz | join #debian.de |
| 20:19.59 | stouset | dman13: The disk may be full, then. |
| 20:20.06 | stouset | dman13: And let me google the file size limit |
| 20:20.07 | w00t | do any one have debian 3.1? |
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| 20:20.18 | dman13 | stouset: nope, about 11GB free :-( |
| 20:20.25 | paulswm | shingouz: Heh, I was also catpured by the very strong gravity around this dense mass :) |
| 20:20.50 | stouset | dman13: Hm, I can't see anywhere where it's documented. |
| 20:21.06 | stouset | dman13: but as I remember, I've had trouble creating files of that size. Can you try it locally first? |
| 20:21.10 | paulswm | w00t: debian 3.1 is testing ('sarge'). Is that what 'cat /etc/debian_version' told you? |
| 20:21.11 | w00t | do any one have debian 3.1?????????????????? |
| 20:21.12 | shingouz | paulswm: Getting close to a black hole |
| 20:21.26 | w00t | yes i have 3.1 |
| 20:21.32 | dman13 | stouset: I'll check that now. I know that locally my debian system supports large files. |
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| 20:21.37 | stouset | paulswm: 3.1 is also unstable, right now :-) |
| 20:21.39 | paulswm | shingouz: One can always hope to fall right through and appear on the other side of the universe |
| 20:21.59 | shingouz | w00t: FFS, when you are trying to talk someone *use their nick to begin the line* |
| 20:22.00 | punkass | its there a way to use apt to check if a package is installed |
| 20:22.13 | shingouz | paulswm: Yea but I guess this is not one of those happy days |
| 20:22.17 | dman13 | stouset: I just checked the windows system and it has a 23GB file on the disk I am trying to use. |
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| 20:23.05 | paulswm | shingouz: then the best we can hope for is to get stretched into spaghetti-like threads by the tidal forces. |
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| 20:23.30 | dman13 | punkass: use 'apt-cache policy', 'aptitude show' or 'dpkg -l' |
| 20:23.39 | green_earz | punkass: dpkg -l | grep package-name |
| 20:23.40 | paulswm | stouset: well that's really annoying, how can different distros be the same release |
| 20:23.52 | w00t | shingouz: yes i have 3.1 |
| 20:24.01 | w00t | shingouz: i install from floppy |
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| 20:24.06 | CuBie | Hey |
| 20:24.07 | CuBie | How do i reinstall named? I've tryed yum remove named |
| 20:24.09 | punkass | thanks |
| 20:24.11 | dman13 | w00t: do you have a time machine too? ;-) |
| 20:24.19 | paulswm | CuBie: with apt-get |
| 20:24.23 | stouset | paulswm: Dunno what package owns /etc/debian_release |
| 20:24.27 | w00t | damn it i have 3.1 |
| 20:24.32 | stouset | dman13: hm =\ |
| 20:24.35 | dman13 | CuBie: 'yum' is a SuSE thing. This is a debian group. |
| 20:24.40 | CuBie | oh, dang |
| 20:25.02 | TraceCobur | yum is a redhat thing |
| 20:25.14 | TraceCobur | yast is a suse thing |
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| 20:25.22 | paulswm | stouset: base-files owns it (/etc/debian_version) |
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| 20:27.00 | shingouz | w00t: Excellent. How did you install mplayer and the other thingies you were asking about? |
| 20:27.06 | gtigene | WHere can I read introductory material about nfs? |
| 20:27.18 | JohnnyST | Hi I have a strange thing here I have a computer where no programs are running but the load is 2.07 why is that? |
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| 20:27.47 | Bu5H | JohnnyST: top |
| 20:27.51 | paulswm | JohnnyST: run 'top' and see what's eating the CPU |
| 20:27.53 | dman13 | JohnnyST: maybe those 2.07 processes are blocked on I/O? |
| 20:27.56 | lilo78 | Single Algun distro brings e16 and e17? EvilEntity? |
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| 20:28.19 | JohnnyST | Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 100.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
| 20:28.35 | paulswm | JohnnyST: that's 100% IDLE |
| 20:28.35 | Bu5H | JohnnyST: uptime says 2.07? |
| 20:28.43 | greg_work | is there a package for the j2re ? |
| 20:29.03 | JohnnyST | 23:28:39 up 3 days, 8:20, 2 users, load average: 2.00, 2.08, 2.05 |
| 20:29.04 | dman13 | greg_work: use the 'java_package' package to make a package from the .bin file you download from sun |
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| 20:29.18 | JohnnyST | uptime load over two.. |
| 20:29.19 | dman13 | greg_work: Sun uses a non-free license, so debian can't include it |
| 20:29.33 | greg_work | yeah, i was looking for it in non-free |
| 20:29.45 | BW[away] | hey... im currently upgrading from RH8 to Debian on my server... i notice Stable is running Exim3.35 when the latest is 4.something in Testing - shoudl I use testing? its not a *critical* server though.... |
| 20:29.48 | greg_work | though i don't see a java_package either |
| 20:29.56 | paulswm | JohnnyST: that's *average*, you obviously don't have anything using CPU right now. |
| 20:30.21 | JohnnyST | paulswm, thats right noting is using it now.. |
| 20:30.23 | greg_work | BW[away]: many people run testing as their release. at this point "testing" is going to become stable sometime this year |
| 20:30.28 | Bu5H | greg_work: there's a package, you just have to find the apt source |
| 20:30.33 | dman13 | greg_work: it isn't in woody, use sarge or unstable |
| 20:30.34 | koollman_ | greg_work: read the topic ... /msg dpkg java |
| 20:30.37 | lilo78 | Single Algun distro brings e16 and e17? EvilEntity? |
| 20:30.49 | BW[away] | greg_work: thanks.. i've just installed the base package of stable *sigh*, time to reformat |
| 20:30.51 | paulswm | JohnnyST: so there's no way of telling |
| 20:31.22 | dman13 | BW[away]: I use testing on everything, FWIW. |
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| 20:31.33 | JohnnyST | I have seen this before once or twice on some machines but I have no idea what it can be a reboot fixes it though.. |
| 20:31.38 | CuBie | where are the exim config files held? |
| 20:31.43 | w00t | shingouz: yes |
| 20:31.46 | dman13 | BW[away]: you don't have to reformat to upgrade. Well, not with Debian. With Windows or RH its recommended. |
| 20:31.54 | Bu5H | greg_work: deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free |
| 20:32.03 | BW[away] | i notice it says "testing has no official support from security team" - are there any security updates released? |
| 20:32.05 | JohnnyST | Perhaps it is blocked I/O like dman13 said.. |
| 20:32.11 | gtigene | I would like for my Debian box #2 to be able to mount files that are on my Debian box #1. Should I read about nfs? |
| 20:32.12 | BW[away] | so i just change apt.get and do dist-upgrade? |
| 20:32.20 | stouset | BW[away]: testing just got security support |
| 20:32.26 | shingouz | w00t: Yes what? I asked you how you installed mplayer. Did you install it with apt-get? |
| 20:32.29 | dman13 | BW[away]: yep |
| 20:32.32 | _daniel_ | BW[away], dont do dist-upgrade |
| 20:32.34 | _daniel_ | never |
| 20:32.39 | BW[away] | thanks all :) |
| 20:33.11 | k-dog | gtigene: NFS or Samba. |
| 20:33.27 | paulswm | gtigene: yes, there is a good NFS howto |
| 20:33.44 | k-dog | !nfs |
| 20:33.44 | dpkg | methinks nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
| 20:34.01 | w00t | shingouz: yes |
| 20:34.05 | paulswm | gtigene: You don't need samba if you are doing linux-to-linux, but you do if you are wanting to share with Windows |
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| 20:34.17 | gtigene | paulswm, k-dog, would that be on the debian wiki? |
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| 20:34.30 | JohnnyST | I have one zombie [k3b] that I can not get rid of.. |
| 20:34.39 | JohnnyST | perhaps it is that one.. |
| 20:34.39 | _daniel_ | kill -9 :) |
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| 20:34.44 | k-dog | JohnnyST: Zombies can't be killed. They're already dead. |
| 20:34.47 | dabreegster | JohnnyST: find the parent |
| 20:34.50 | shingouz | w00t: In that case the update/upgrade took care of all upgrades. NEVER EVER INSTALL FROM ANY OTHER SOURCE THAN THE DEBIAN REPOSITORIES |
| 20:34.52 | Bu5H | JohnnyST: ctrl + esc brings up kde's process manager, kill it from there |
| 20:34.53 | k-dog | JohnnyST: Sometimes you can kill the parent. |
| 20:34.54 | dman13 | gtigene: note too that samba (an implementation of Microsoft's SMB protocol) doesn't handle things like unix permissions because, well, Windows doesn't have such a thing. |
| 20:34.55 | paulswm | gtigene: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/index.html |
| 20:34.59 | shingouz | (sorry for the souting, ppl) |
| 20:35.04 | shingouz | shouting even |
| 20:35.08 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 20:35.18 | k-dog | shingouz: Shout it out, man. |
| 20:35.19 | stouset | shingouz: Well, that's not always possible, but it's a good enough rule of thumb :-) |
| 20:35.20 | gtigene | paulswm, thanks |
| 20:35.23 | w00t | shingouz: ok |
| 20:35.33 | paulswm | gtigene: you're welcome |
| 20:35.44 | shingouz | stouset: Sssshhhh... don't tell that out lod here, we have n00bs on the wire |
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| 20:35.51 | shingouz | loud that is |
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| 20:35.55 | tobo | can anyone help me getting dri fixed, if i bring up an Eterm and do <su>, then glxinfo says direct rendering:yes but not if i run as normal user... |
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| 20:36.07 | BW[away] | _daniel_: don't do dist-upgrade? what should i do? |
| 20:36.09 | tobo | i have section dri mode 0666 in my xf config |
| 20:36.23 | gtigene | pauswm, others: not Samba just yet, only for Linux. Later. |
| 20:36.25 | w00t | shingouz: wtf are you talking about noobs on wire |
| 20:36.26 | paulswm | JohnnyST: zombies use no resources, they are not processes, all they do is take up an entry in the kernel's process table, it is not adding to your load average. |
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| 20:36.56 | JohnnyST | paulswm: Ok then it can be there... |
| 20:36.59 | BW[away] | should i just do upgrade, not dist-uipgrade? |
| 20:37.04 | shingouz | w00t: Nothing... |
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| 20:37.21 | valdyn | !tell BW[away] about woody->sarge |
| 20:37.30 | w00t | shingouz: noting you hiding some thinking!!! |
| 20:37.30 | k-dog | akamai runs Debian: http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/b/8/b8b6c751a68e6e4a29b7c1a270f29dec@activejobs0&c=1&source=1 |
| 20:37.35 | shingouz | Damn, just installing the frigging driver for the 3crwe737 wlan on w95 took almost an hour |
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| 20:37.47 | paulswm | !comfort shingouz |
| 20:37.48 | dpkg | There, there, shingouz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:37.59 | shingouz | w00t: Of course I am hiding something, I am a ghost in the shell |
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| 20:38.09 | SystemX | knoppix is build on debian right? |
| 20:38.13 | dman13 | BW[away]: upgrade will upgrade things that can be without installing new packages or removing existing packages |
| 20:38.16 | shingouz | #knoppix |
| 20:38.23 | w00t | shingouz: uummm im seaching u |
| 20:38.27 | SystemX | i know, this is a question about debian not knoppix |
| 20:38.30 | dman13 | shingouz: yeah, windows sucks. but its"easy". whatever. |
| 20:38.42 | shingouz | dman13: B/S it is easy :( |
| 20:38.43 | paulswm | SystemX: which version of #debian? |
| 20:38.52 | BW[away] | ahh thanks - i've just ran apt update with the sarge sources, without aptitude - problem? should i jsut replace sarge with stable again, and start from aptitiude? |
| 20:39.02 | SystemX | i dont know have version of debian the newest release of knoppix runs on |
| 20:39.15 | valdyn | !knoppix |
| 20:39.15 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 20:39.20 | dman13 | BW[away]: dist-upgrade will remove or add packages as necessary based on dependency and reorganization changes |
| 20:39.22 | paulswm | SystemX: knoppix doesn't run on debian and it isn't debian |
| 20:39.27 | shingouz | SystemX: Thas is something you need to ask on #knoppix |
| 20:39.31 | paulswm | #knoppix |
| 20:39.41 | FieldySnuts | !not supporting knoppix |
| 20:39.42 | shingouz | !permasunday |
| 20:39.42 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support knoppix too. Try #knoppix or donating money to charity. |
| 20:39.42 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 20:39.43 | dman13 | BW[away]: the 'update' is fine with either tool, but I recommend using aptitude in general |
| 20:39.54 | BW[away] | dman13: ok i'll use apititude |
| 20:40.03 | paulswm | Yay, FieldySnuts! |
| 20:40.26 | dman13 | shingouz: I know. I put "easy" in quotes for a reason. :-) |
| 20:41.01 | paulswm | dman13: except that aptitude occasionally gets a bit liberal in its interpretation of 'unused' packages which can be removed |
| 20:41.34 | dman13 | paulswm: I haven't had a problem, unless I asked for it. (it does depend on whether you have it automatically include recommends and suggests) |
| 20:41.47 | shingouz | dman13: The very reason I do not run windows here anymore |
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| 20:42.27 | paulswm | dman13: Over a couple of years I have had it twice want to remove half a system, but it regained sanity when I did an apt-get dist-upgrade, IIRC |
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| 20:42.41 | jhave | Hi |
| 20:42.49 | dman13 | paulswm: interesting. Not good, but interesting. I wonder why that happened. |
| 20:43.03 | jhave | what pakage do i need to a gnome install ? |
| 20:43.16 | nksen | jhave: apt-get install gnome |
| 20:43.23 | paulswm | dman13: No idea, it wouldn't have broken anything, just would have removed half my X stuff |
| 20:43.47 | jhave | nksen, i need a clean gnome |
| 20:44.02 | stouset | nksen: apt-get install gnome =P |
| 20:44.33 | jhave | i gets 600mb data whit apt-get install gnome :) |
| 20:44.43 | jhave | -s |
| 20:44.51 | lilo78 | apt-get install gnome-core |
| 20:45.01 | jhave | ohh :) |
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| 20:45.07 | jhave | thanks |
| 20:45.12 | lilo78 | :) |
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| 20:45.20 | jhave | what are the best wm ? |
| 20:45.30 | jhave | KDE or gnome |
| 20:45.37 | jhave | or another ? |
| 20:45.42 | stouset | jhave: it depends on what you want |
| 20:45.44 | beardy_ | That's up to you. |
| 20:45.49 | dabreegster | screen or twin for the commandline guys |
| 20:46.21 | stouset | jhave: If you want gnome, do apt-get install gnome. You can get just gnome-core, but that comes with almost nothing. |
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| 20:46.26 | dman13 | jhave: fvwm2 |
| 20:46.27 | nksen | dabreegster: what's twin? |
| 20:46.44 | stouset | jhave: no web browser, no nothing |
| 20:46.44 | jhave | fvwm2 ? |
| 20:46.52 | dman13 | jhave: it's what I use |
| 20:46.57 | dman13 | jhave: it is a window manager (aka 'wm') |
| 20:47.01 | jhave | link? |
| 20:47.06 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 20:47.12 | thomas_adam | Making my regex go off. |
| 20:47.18 | thomas_adam | jhave: /topic #fvwm |
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| 20:47.31 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 20:47.34 | stouset | jhave: What do you want? Extremely light, fast, and clean? Clean and functional and somewhat light? Windows-y? |
| 20:47.35 | dman13 | jhave: Gnome and KDE are desktops. KDE by default comes with 'kwm' as the window manager. I don't know what Gnome's current default is but at one point it was 'E' and at another it was 'sawfish'. |
| 20:47.42 | dman13 | jhave: you can use any wm you want with any desktop you want. |
| 20:47.45 | stouset | dman13: it's metacity now |
| 20:47.51 | thomas_adam | dman13: never E - now metacity. |
| 20:48.09 | phogg | dman13: Gnome decided that window managers shouldn't have features, so someone wrote metacity |
| 20:48.13 | dman13 | jhave: personally I have my own "custom" desktop -- namely I put the windows I want where I want them. (ie xclock, glrellm, etc.) |
| 20:48.15 | notty | i don't have any shortcuts in kmenu (just run,logout and lock) what could be the problem ? |
| 20:48.19 | stouset | phogg: Exactly, and that's the way it should be =P |
| 20:48.21 | Klaus_Dieter | Do you have a faqlist for debian where is explained on how I can quickly find out which packages are isntalled, search for a package with a regexp and stuff like that basics? I do not need a linux tut... just the debian specific stuff.... |
| 20:48.31 | stouset | jhave: I recommend GNOME. But it's a personal choice. |
| 20:48.32 | thomas_adam | Klaus_Dieter: /msg dpkg faq |
| 20:48.35 | Klaus_Dieter | dman13: now its metacity... |
| 20:48.45 | dman13 | thomas_adam: way back when -- like in 1999 'E' was the default. Or at least redhat had it as the default and many people talked about it. |
| 20:48.46 | Klaus_Dieter | thanks thomas_adam |
| 20:48.52 | stouset | Klaus_Dieter: Just use aptitude if you want that. It's a tui frontend for apt/dpkg |
| 20:49.00 | thomas_adam | dman13: Yes, but always as a separate entity. |
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| 20:49.10 | jhave | i try gnome |
| 20:49.14 | Klaus_Dieter | stouset: I don't really like frontends... everything needs to be scriptable if necessary.. :) |
| 20:49.38 | w00t | i hate windows so much ggggggrrrr i change to debian 3.1 testing |
| 20:49.46 | kamela | ... |
| 20:50.02 | stouset | Klaus_Dieter: Try it before you knock it. It's probably a safe bet that most people in here use aptitude. |
| 20:50.09 | phogg | stouset: If you mean that they should have written metacity instead of gutting a good WM, then you're right. |
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| 20:50.12 | valdyn | !tell Klaus_Dieter about refcard |
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| 20:50.38 | w00t | windows AOL this are for people who get eat from me |
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| 20:50.43 | stouset | phogg: I do, and I also wonder what sorts of extra features a WM would need. Can't say I find mine lacking. |
| 20:50.49 | Klaus_Dieter | nice one valdyn - thanks |
| 20:50.55 | phogg | stouset: do you use the gimp? |
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| 20:51.02 | stouset | phogg: aye |
| 20:51.02 | phogg | stouset: do you do window grouping? |
| 20:51.17 | stouset | phogg: No, but I can if I want to |
| 20:51.30 | stouset | phogg: It's part of the window list applet on the panel |
| 20:51.43 | phogg | stouset: my beef with metacity is its reportedly poor support for various WM standards, but for me that is hearsay only. |
| 20:51.57 | jhave | are there a 64bit version of debian ? |
| 20:51.58 | w00t | where i can find my bash shell |
| 20:52.03 | jhave | to AMD64 ? |
| 20:52.03 | thomas_adam | phogg: EWMH. |
| 20:52.05 | Lee__ | slightly OT, could someone recommend a channel for embedding linux on a CF card? |
| 20:52.17 | phogg | My main real concern is that I can't reorder/change the behavior of titlebar buttons. |
| 20:52.25 | PI314 | can anyone help me i am trying to include the php extension adt can anyone tell me the steps to configure my apache and php interpeter to use this extension |
| 20:52.29 | w00t | where i can find my bash shell??????????????? |
| 20:52.38 | stouset | phogg: I can't comment on the standards thing, either. Wish I knew more about it. |
| 20:52.38 | valdyn | jhave: sparc64? amd64 ia64 ppc64, WHAT do you need? |
| 20:52.39 | ApEtc | Add more question marks, people answer faster |
| 20:52.40 | Dabian | w00t : In the bin |
| 20:52.46 | stouset | phogg: I was under the impression you could, using themes? |
| 20:52.47 | ApEtc | w00t: which bin, maybe |
| 20:52.48 | phogg | w00t: /bin/bash |
| 20:53.08 | jhave | are there som nice themes to gnome ? |
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| 20:53.13 | phogg | stouset: I've never seen a theme which does, so I don't think so |
| 20:53.15 | bitsmash | hi |
| 20:53.17 | valdyn | jhave: naturally i forgot alpha |
| 20:53.22 | stouset | phogg: Either way, I've never seen the point in doing tiny things like that. It seems to me that people spend way too much time doing tiny things like that, and it takes away from the time you could spend getting things done :-) |
| 20:53.27 | stouset | phogg: Let me look, really quick =P |
| 20:53.33 | jhave | valdyn? |
| 20:53.41 | bitsmash | debian uses debs right....is there a multi package system system yet? like rpm/deb/ebuild |
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| 20:53.45 | phogg | jhave: You used "nice" and "gnome" in a sentence. Please go sit in the corner now. |
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| 20:54.05 | valdyn | jhave: theres alot of 64 bit debian releases, which are you looking for? |
| 20:54.06 | Lee__ | bitsmash: apt-cache show alien |
| 20:54.13 | Lee__ | sort of like that |
| 20:54.22 | bitsmash | Lee__: but is it perfect? |
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| 20:54.34 | Lee__ | perfect, yeah sure, it's perfect |
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| 20:54.48 | jhave | valdyn, debian unstable |
| 20:54.48 | stouset | jhave: Yes, Industrial is my favorite. |
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| 20:54.53 | bitsmash | how bout a combo package system |
| 20:54.54 | Glitch_Master | Heya. |
| 20:54.58 | Glitch_Master | My cursor disappeared. |
| 20:55.13 | andax | what does it mean that sarge is frozen? |
| 20:55.14 | phogg | bitsmash: please describe "combo package system" |
| 20:55.16 | valdyn | jhave: unstable sparc64? what? |
| 20:55.20 | stouset | jhave: Industrial is very aesthetically pleasing and reasonably fast |
| 20:55.27 | streuner_ | andax: /msg dpkg sarge frozen |
| 20:55.30 | andax | tnx |
| 20:55.41 | phogg | andax: it means that years from now scientists will know a little more about how distributions lived and workjed today |
| 20:55.44 | Glitch_Master | I'm beginning to suspect that my installation of X is messed up, though X in general is sucky... |
| 20:55.53 | bitsmash | phogg: maybe its a good idea...where you have a system where certain things are debs, and certains things are rpms and certain things are ebuilds |
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| 20:56.04 | stouset | phogg: Yeah, you can rearrange them. |
| 20:56.14 | phogg | bitsmash: danger will robinson! That way lies insanity |
| 20:56.19 | phogg | stouset: linkage? |
| 20:56.41 | stouset | phogg: No link, just browsing through a metacity theme file |
| 20:56.42 | valdyn | jhave: just look for yourself: http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 20:56.57 | tito-tenero | I have a question "knoppyx" related; is this one the best place to ask about ? |
| 20:57.01 | stouset | phogg: You can order them |
| 20:57.05 | MobyTurbo | !knoppix |
| 20:57.05 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 20:57.14 | jhave | damm my X crach :/ |
| 20:57.27 | tito-tenero | thanks |
| 20:57.30 | andax | so if i want to upgrade woody to sarge now, it should be okay right? |
| 20:57.35 | phogg | I often damn my X crotch. |
| 20:57.42 | valdyn | !tell andax about woody->sarge |
| 20:57.43 | stouset | andax: What are you running? A desktop? A server? |
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| 20:57.50 | streuner_ | andax: yes |
| 20:58.08 | andax | stouset a server on 2.6.11 and things like procps are way too old an im getting errors |
| 20:58.26 | stouset | andax: What kinds of errors? |
| 20:58.41 | bitsmash | phogg: yes i guess so |
| 20:58.52 | andax | uptime |
| 20:58.52 | andax | Unknown HZ value! (17) Assume 100. |
| 20:58.52 | bitsmash | insanity |
| 20:58.53 | stouset | andax: I would recommend fixing problems before upgrading the distribution. If you've got configuration problems, running a dist-upgrade isn't likely to be a panacea. |
| 20:59.01 | andax | also "top" "ps aux" and a lot commands tell this |
| 20:59.06 | bitsmash | pointer, present moment in the now. |
| 20:59.22 | stew | andax: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:59.23 | Glitch_Master | Anyway... |
| 20:59.34 | andax | stouset so how to fix this "error" without getting newer software? |
| 20:59.45 | stew | andax: that Unknown HZ thingy is compltely ignorable and there is a lot of info on google about it |
| 20:59.55 | Glitch_Master | Maybe I should come back after I restart X... |
| 20:59.57 | andax | google says upgrade :) |
| 20:59.58 | jhave | sombody there can help me whit X ? |
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| 21:00.07 | jhave | it crach |
| 21:00.08 | Glitch_Master | Is it X problem day or something? :P |
| 21:00.22 | stouset | andax: Then upgrade. I was just giving a generic caution, that drastically changing things when they're already in a state of breakage is not likely to fix them :-) |
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| 21:00.27 | jhave | Glitch_Master, yes :) |
| 21:00.30 | streuner_ | Glitch_Master: its friday |
| 21:00.32 | shingouz | byebye w00t |
| 21:00.35 | Glitch_Master | I see. |
| 21:00.37 | stouset | Glitch_Master: It's a weekday, isn't it? |
| 21:00.43 | streuner_ | jhave: just ask |
| 21:00.44 | andax | stouset i know |
| 21:00.50 | green_earz | Glitch_Master: have you got the right refresh rates set up in xserver ? |
| 21:00.51 | andax | so thanks |
| 21:01.00 | jhave | i make the config |
| 21:01.05 | stew | streuner_: what's in a state of breakage? |
| 21:01.10 | stew | stouset:^^^ |
| 21:01.11 | stouset | andax: The upgrade path is not supported yet, but will be when sarge is released. Sarge is likely to release within 30 days. |
| 21:01.21 | streuner_ | jhave: what videocard do you have? |
| 21:01.39 | stouset | stew: He said there were some problems with procps |
| 21:01.41 | jhave | asus 6600GT |
| 21:01.50 | dman13 | stouset: remember that smbfs problem? well, I just tested it (yeah, it takes a while) and 'smbclient' can upload a >2GB file to the win2k machine. just smbfs can't do it through the filesystem. Oh, well, thanks for your help. (ps. smbclient doesn't actually solve my problem though :-/) |
| 21:01.52 | Glitch_Master | green_earz: No, actually. That would make sense, as the cursor disappears after a fullscreen display that would have an effect on X's management of the refresh rate... |
| 21:01.54 | stew | stouset: its not a problem its extremely well documented and innocuous |
| 21:01.56 | stouset | stew: Which someone else determined were ignorable :-) |
| 21:01.58 | BW[away] | is there any advantage to waiting till sarge is properly released, for a upgrade now? |
| 21:01.59 | andax | stouset so the upgrade really CAN cause problems? |
| 21:02.01 | streuner_ | jhave: prolly nvidia, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:02.03 | stouset | stew: Aye. Someone else already pointed that out :-) |
| 21:02.10 | stew | yeah, i did |
| 21:02.20 | coruptkid | what exactly is a kernel pool (more specifically what is the UML pool??) |
| 21:02.21 | stew | andax: it is, /msg dpkg woody->sarge for the recommended method |
| 21:02.27 | streuner_ | jhave: lspci -v | grep VGA and tell us the output |
| 21:02.30 | andax | thanks |
| 21:02.34 | stouset | andax: Well, there's always the potential for something to break. Sarge isn't released yet (just frozen). When it *is*, it's guaranteed not to hose your system upon upgrade. |
| 21:02.43 | stouset | andax: Right now, it's likely to not hose your system, but not guaranteed. |
| 21:02.50 | dman13 | BW[away]: not really, IMO. I mean, you might not have immediate security updates now, but you could install the 'unstable' package or something in the mean time. |
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| 21:03.01 | jhave | stouset? |
| 21:03.03 | J_P | anyone know if i create one volume in raid via hardware in my asus motherboard(with chip for raid0) debian see only one disc ? |
| 21:03.04 | stouset | jhave: yes? |
| 21:03.06 | dman13 | BW[away]: I've been using "testing" ever since woody was released. |
| 21:03.10 | streuner_ | jhave: lspci -v | grep VGA and tell us the output |
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| 21:03.16 | stouset | dman13: Weird =\ |
| 21:03.18 | J_P | becouse here yet see two discs in partition utility |
| 21:03.19 | green_earz | Glitch_Master: did you install x-window-system-core ? |
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| 21:03.24 | stouset | dman13: Sorry man, wish I could give more insight. |
| 21:03.31 | BW[away] | dman13: thats what i thought, am currently upgrading woody to sarge, hence just wondered if that was a good idea, but yeah, i'll leave it going |
| 21:03.35 | coruptkid | can someone please tell me what a kernel pool is? |
| 21:04.01 | green_earz | Glitch_Master: and to reconfigure dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:04.06 | Glitch_Master | green_earz: Hrm... I should have, but since the X components I installed were listed to me from my friend, I can't be certain. I'd check, but currently I have no cursor. |
| 21:04.16 | jhave | unknown device |
| 21:04.29 | Glitch_Master | I'm going to restart X and get my cursor back. Bear with me. |
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| 21:04.58 | stouset | I'm out. |
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| 21:05.01 | stouset | See ya, folks. |
| 21:05.05 | streuner_ | jhave: show us the whole output |
| 21:05.15 | FarrisG | anyone know why I would be getting "passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered" when I try to run passwd as root? |
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| 21:05.51 | dman13 | J_P: All I know about RAID is that the 3ware card I use in one machine appears as a single SCSI disk to the OS. THe 3ware driver has a means for administering the array, but the system sees the array as a single (logical) disc |
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| 21:06.14 | dabreegster | FarrisG: sounds like your /etc/passwd is borked |
| 21:06.31 | FarrisG | dabreegster: I really don't think so |
| 21:06.47 | jhave | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0140 (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 21:06.58 | streuner_ | coruptkid: /msg dpkg sarge pool |
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| 21:07.28 | dabreegster | FarrisG: could pam be interfering? |
| 21:07.46 | jhave | streuner? |
| 21:07.49 | jhave | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0140 (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
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| 21:08.03 | trueno | Will powerbook's sw still run if I change my OS to debian? |
| 21:08.22 | FarrisG | dabreegster: Looking through pam.d/* now, but I don't see anything out of the ordinary |
| 21:08.54 | dman13 | trueno: if you don't get an answer here, ask on the debian-powerpc list. that's where the powerpc people discuss stuff. (I'm waiting for the G5 powerbooks to become affordable, then I'll get a new machine) |
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| 21:09.39 | trueno | dman13: Thanks, I'll try it there :-) |
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| 21:10.44 | streuner_ | jhave: amd64? |
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| 21:11.27 | shift__ | Is there any way to root-tail tcpdump or top? |
| 21:11.43 | jhave | streuner, yes |
| 21:11.48 | NmeA|Boa | is it possible to update libc6 on woody? (j2re1.4 depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.2.5-11.8) |
| 21:11.49 | Iconsumed | Public television in Sweden give their programs in asx streaming with low quality or ram streaming with high quality. I can't play the ram files with totem, what other ways are there? |
| 21:12.05 | jhave | the card is a PCI-E card |
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| 21:12.13 | ysothoth | Iconsumed: Install realplayer 10 |
| 21:12.20 | stew | NmeA|Boa: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:12.32 | streuner_ | jhave: what videocard is that exactly? |
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| 21:12.36 | chealer | ysothoth, why not helix? |
| 21:12.37 | shift__ | Iconsumed: I think there's a RM codec in the binary codec pack for MPlayer. |
| 21:12.38 | NmeA|Boa | been there done that, got lost ^^ |
| 21:12.44 | streuner_ | jhave: any manuals? |
| 21:12.55 | jhave | 2min |
| 21:13.02 | stew | NmeA|Boa: to answer your question, no, you'd have to upgrade to sarge |
| 21:13.03 | ysothoth | chealer: Helix doesnt have the plug-ins you need |
| 21:13.21 | Iconsumed | ok, I'll try mplayer first |
| 21:13.31 | hala | hi |
| 21:13.34 | NmeA|Boa | ok, can that be done from Woody? or a new fresh install? |
| 21:13.41 | stew | NmeA|Boa: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 21:13.43 | chealer | ysothoth, the plugin for ram files? |
| 21:13.53 | ysothoth | chealer: It doesn't have rtsp or rm decoder |
| 21:14.04 | NmeA|Boa | oki, thanks |
| 21:14.18 | jhave | streuner, this -> http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/en6600_top/overview.htm |
| 21:14.44 | chealer | ysothoth, hum, I'll check that then |
| 21:14.50 | Iconsumed | mplayer doesn't work... |
| 21:15.01 | ysothoth | chealer: If you find it please let me know I would be pleasently surprised :) |
| 21:15.11 | Iconsumed | so the only alternative is non free eh? |
| 21:15.27 | shift__ | You installed the codec packs, downloaded and compiled the source that fast? |
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| 21:15.47 | ysothoth | shift_: there are 3rd party debs for mplayer and the codecs :) |
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| 21:15.59 | shift__ | Bah... .deb... |
| 21:16.02 | ysothoth | hehehe |
| 21:16.36 | shift__ | Hey, while I'm here... Anyone know what I need to do to make my school's network resolve my ip to my hostname? |
| 21:16.57 | myren | does bsd accounting for a process stick around after rpocess ending? |
| 21:16.58 | joris_ | reverse dns settings shift__ |
| 21:17.09 | Delph | shift__: talk to whoever owns your IP. |
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| 21:17.18 | Delph | eg your ISP. |
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| 21:17.37 | streuner_ | jhave: ok, just read this: http://groups.google.de/group/linux.debian.ports.x86-64/browse_thread/thread/cb21998e79b924da/1c1b2e200fd5fefb?q=Unknown+device+0140+(rev+a2)+(prog-if+00+[VGA])+linux&rnum=2&hl=de#1c1b2e200fd5fefb |
| 21:17.51 | shift__ | Delph: I've already talked to them. Outside of setting a static IP addy and having them enter me into the table, they're at a loss. |
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| 21:18.04 | Delph | shift__: well, how else would you do it? |
| 21:18.10 | gtigene | What is nfs-utils? |
| 21:18.10 | myren | sometimes i close a program and then want to look at its lifetime cpu usage, or something |
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| 21:18.25 | Delph | shift__: i'm confused how you want to have an IP resolve to a name other than having it as the reverse DNS entry for that IP. |
| 21:18.40 | streuner_ | jhave: http://tinyurl.com/aed65 |
| 21:18.45 | shift__ | Delph: I was hoping for some way to make it dynamicly update the DNS server when their DHCP server give me an IP. |
| 21:19.07 | shift__ | Delph: I may be saying this wrong. |
| 21:19.11 | Delph | shift__: probably |
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| 21:19.30 | Delph | shift__: do you want (eg 131.111.220.62 -> route3-cent-3.cam.ac.uk |
| 21:19.37 | shift__ | Delph: I can ping x.x.x.x (My IP) from anywhere on campus. But typing "ping banshee" (my hostname) returns a "Host not found" error. |
| 21:19.41 | Delph | or do you want www.myDomain.com -> <ip which follows you> |
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| 21:19.50 | Delph | shift__: www.dyndns.org |
| 21:19.57 | Delph | /com/net/whatever |
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| 21:20.35 | streuner_ | jhave: /join #debian-amd64 too |
| 21:20.48 | gtigene | I am reading the HOWTO about nfs and it assumes that I know about lockd, rquotad, mountd and statd. Are these part of nfs-utils? |
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| 21:21.01 | Delph | shift__: what happens if you try to ping your fully qualified domain name (banshee.wherever.whatever.com) |
| 21:21.01 | green_earz | shift__: or http://www.no-ip.com/ |
| 21:21.14 | shift__ | Oh, and another thing while I'm here, heh... Is there a good guide to show me the "proper" way to start a program during the boot process? |
| 21:21.20 | shift__ | Delph: Same thing. |
| 21:21.28 | Delph | having banshee -> banshee.whatever.com will require configuration on the client machine. |
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| 21:21.35 | Delph | shift__: have a look at /etc/init.d/skel |
| 21:21.35 | k-dog | shift__: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 21:21.49 | Delph | or skeleton, or whatever it's called. |
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| 21:22.02 | w00t | how do i install opera.com |
| 21:22.02 | green_earz | shift__: have look at > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 21:22.11 | w00t | how do i install opera |
| 21:22.13 | n0dez | you mean opera? |
| 21:22.15 | nksen_ | w00t: install opera.com? :) |
| 21:22.28 | w00t | i download how i install |
| 21:22.28 | nksen_ | w00t: just download the .deb-file and do dpkg -i |
| 21:22.31 | n0dez | go to www.opera.com, download it and then dpkg -i |
| 21:22.38 | myren | opera.com provides a .deb file that you can dpkg -i [opera-2342412r4123rq2.deb] |
| 21:22.53 | w00t | oh thanks |
| 21:23.11 | myren | is the default behavior one close button per tab? |
| 21:23.13 | myren | thats so stupid |
| 21:23.27 | k-dog | myren: In what? |
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| 21:23.32 | n0dez | opera |
| 21:23.37 | k-dog | myren: NFC. |
| 21:23.38 | green_earz | shift__: or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/runlevels-intro.html |
| 21:23.42 | streuner_ | !opera |
| 21:23.42 | dpkg | i guess opera is a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 6 for Linux is out and debs are available on the download page at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or at 'deb http://www.opera.com/debian potato non-free', or that deb line is reported to be maybe broken. go poke around the site. go full screen mode and right click> show menu bar> [and avoid the ads] damn nice browser, especially under the hood. no ... |
| 21:23.51 | Delph | myren: sounds good idea to me... how else do you close tabs which you're not looking at? |
| 21:24.03 | w00t | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:24.03 | w00t | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.09 | stew | if one close button per tab is your biggest gripe about a browser, thats not so bad at all |
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| 21:24.25 | furrywolf | so, for running wire underneeth a house with a crawlspace, that frequently has people, dogs, etc under it, should I go with BX, or just use romex? |
| 21:24.27 | charolastra | greetings |
| 21:24.41 | n0dez | w00t, what have you done? |
| 21:24.52 | k-dog | furrywolf: WiFi ;-) |
| 21:25.12 | charolastra | does scilab on sid work for you guys? |
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| 21:25.14 | SitOnMyFace | good evening |
| 21:25.20 | furrywolf | k-dog: tesla had some theories about wireless power transmission, but I'm not sure any of them are practical or useful for this purpose. :P |
| 21:25.22 | myren | delph: if you have 30 tabs open & all maximized, the only way to close anything is with shortcuts, there's no space for a close button |
| 21:25.25 | Glitch_Master | Heyo. |
| 21:25.28 | w00t | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.36 | Glitch_Master | Now to pick at X's config. |
| 21:25.37 | myren | it also makes it efficient for closing like 6 windows in a row |
| 21:25.43 | ysothoth | furrywolf: Death ray man |
| 21:25.43 | myren | when you're finishing a thread |
| 21:25.44 | n0dez | i suppose you downloaded a file with that name |
| 21:25.47 | ysothoth | furrywolf: Go for it. |
| 21:25.48 | k-dog | myren: That's a misfeature of tab width. |
| 21:25.54 | n0dez | is that correct? |
| 21:26.05 | k-dog | myren: Though personally I prefer hotkeys to close buttons myself. |
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| 21:26.17 | furrywolf | I just need to figure if I should just staple romex to the underside of the floor, or go the fancy way and use bx... |
| 21:26.18 | k-dog | myren: ...except for browsers with buggy focus issues. |
| 21:26.20 | myren | i started using hotkeys again for that, but it sucks with a tablet |
| 21:26.33 | Delph | myren: if you've got 30 tabs open in the first place... |
| 21:26.46 | myren | Delph: thats only in the first window |
| 21:26.53 | Delph | myren: the point still stands. |
| 21:26.54 | Glitch_Master | green_earz: You were helping me before, right? It turns out x-window-system-core WASN'T installed. |
| 21:26.56 | k-dog | Delph: I should be so lucky. 50-100 typically. Multiple windows. |
| 21:27.10 | k-dog | Glitch_Master: That's going to rain on your parade a tad. Got it installed now? |
| 21:27.10 | Delph | have you people never heard of these things called |
| 21:27.12 | Delph | 'bookmarks' |
| 21:27.20 | Delph | they let you save where you are and come back ... later. |
| 21:27.22 | Glitch_Master | Getting there, k-dog. |
| 21:27.26 | Delph | =:) |
| 21:27.27 | myren | i'm usually 50-75 tabs between 2-3 windows. thats only 256 mb ram and 800 mhz crusoe |
| 21:27.30 | green_earz | Glitch_Master: so now you got xserver up and runing ? |
| 21:27.30 | furrywolf | bx costs more, but probably is a better choice. |
| 21:27.33 | k-dog | Delph: Yes. They're what you find on books after chewing on them. |
| 21:27.46 | Delph | k-dog: i don't chew my books, i'm housetrained. |
| 21:27.53 | myren | sometimes i use my mp3 player because i need the extra 15% processor |
| 21:28.01 | Glitch_Master | green_earz: Erm... well it has been running. This wasn't installed.. I don't know what the hell X is running on, but it wasn't x-window-system-core. |
| 21:28.26 | Glitch_Master | Isn't that literally the core resources of the program? |
| 21:28.57 | Glitch_Master | Should it be able to run smoothly without them? It did for the most part... |
| 21:29.06 | green_earz | Glitch_Master: so you have install and config x-window-system-core and startx bring up xserver ? |
| 21:29.32 | Glitch_Master | green_earz: No... erm.. |
| 21:29.39 | Glitch_Master | I don't think you understand... |
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| 21:29.56 | Glitch_Master | Let me make this blunt. I just installed x-window-system-core from a GNOME terminal window running in X. |
| 21:30.00 | bucky | my x works good ! |
| 21:30.09 | Glitch_Master | Well, bucky. Well. |
| 21:30.21 | Glitch_Master | It was not installed before, it seems.. |
| 21:30.53 | Glitch_Master | However, the apt-get installation printed some things that I know were already installed.... It's weird. |
| 21:30.58 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:31.27 | bucky | did you log in and out? |
| 21:31.34 | Glitch_Master | Not yet. |
| 21:31.42 | bucky | that might help |
| 21:31.48 | Glitch_Master | I would think so. |
| 21:31.55 | Glitch_Master | I want to understand exactly what I installed, though. |
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| 21:32.04 | Glitch_Master | Gyah! |
| 21:32.11 | Glitch_Master | There is no man file for this specific part of X. |
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| 21:32.14 | k-dog | Glitch_Master: x-window-system-core is a virtual package |
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| 21:32.16 | bucky | considering linux likes to re read it's config files when a daemon is restarted |
| 21:32.22 | Glitch_Master | Mainly because it was a package of other apps.. :P |
| 21:32.27 | Glitch_Master | ...and stuff. |
| 21:32.34 | sparr_ | how can i find out where the binary for a running process is? |
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| 21:32.47 | k-dog | Glitch_Master: ...it installs other packages (via dependencies) and either remove itself (not sure) or can be removed w/o removing the rest of X. |
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| 21:32.55 | furrywolf | bah, I'll just use romex. costs a heck of a lot less... |
| 21:32.55 | k-dog | sparr_: /proc/{pid} |
| 21:33.19 | jhave_ | how do i install libc headers on my debian box ? |
| 21:33.27 | cafuego | libc6-dev |
| 21:33.31 | k-dog | sparr_: Specifically: ls -l /proc/<pid>/exe |
| 21:33.33 | bucky | x-window-system-core is not necessary when running x remotely |
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| 21:33.56 | bucky | that's why it's not installed unless you tell it to.. like most things debian |
| 21:34.02 | whitetiger | Message to dpkg at 23:35:15 |
| 21:34.03 | whitetiger | famd |
| 21:34.03 | whitetiger | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.03 | whitetiger | i heard famd is a component of Gnome that makes it difficult to unmount devices. |
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| 21:34.38 | Glitch_Master | bucky: I wasn't running X remotely... |
| 21:34.40 | furrywolf | lol! banner ad of the day: "Find the Best Deal on $word! Click to find bargins on $word! Instantly search the top 21 bargin sites online for $word!". (yes, it says $word...) |
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| 21:35.01 | bucky | Glitch_Master, so what did _we_ do wrong? |
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| 21:35.13 | Glitch_Master | Erm... |
| 21:35.26 | whitetiger | sorry for that.... |
| 21:35.40 | Glitch_Master | Eh, well in any case, I'll go restart now. Lets see if this clears up some of the little problems I've been having. |
| 21:36.15 | k-dog | furrywolf: $r0x0r |
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| 21:37.23 | useruser | offtopic, but is there an irc channel where gmail is discussed? |
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| 21:37.47 | Matt0 | useruser: Hmm, I'd doubt it.. |
| 21:37.52 | k-dog | useruser: /query chanserv list *expression* |
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| 21:38.17 | jhave_ | Now X work :D |
| 21:39.44 | Dabian | useruser : I think its discussed in many channels. |
| 21:39.52 | shift__ | When you apt-get ipcheck, does it automaticly set itself up to start on boot? |
| 21:40.06 | shift__ | Also, does it auto-update? Every x minutes or so? |
| 21:40.19 | k-dog | shift__: Check /usr/share/doc/ipcheck and /etc/init.d/ |
| 21:40.36 | whitetiger | does anybody know the real purpose of famd? |
| 21:40.42 | k-dog | shift__: ...and the frequency is likely configured somewhere under /etc. 'dpkg -L ipcheck | grep ^/etc' |
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| 21:41.17 | k-dog | whitetiger: apt-cache show fam |
| 21:41.23 | whitetiger | i know how to disable it but still it's very annoying when set up by default disabling unmounts |
| 21:41.39 | k-dog | whitetiger: It |
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| 21:41.55 | k-dog | whitetiger: It's one of a set of system integrity monitoring systems. |
| 21:42.54 | whitetiger | it seems it prevents normal people from using cdroms and other removable mediaa... |
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| 21:44.14 | J_P | anyone can help with raid via hardware in asus p4p800 ? i setup raid0 in hardware bios utility and create one unic volume for two discs sata with name "raid0vol1". Ok, but after i boot debian linux sarge rc3... partition utility recognize two hds sata and not that raid0 volume create in raid utility in setup!! Anyone have any idea ? |
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| 21:44.48 | Glitch_Master | Hmm.. |
| 21:44.51 | chupie | can you use a linux cluster to run a linux terminal server? |
| 21:44.58 | whitetiger | without supermount it's quite annoying... isn't there a better solution which doesn't lock your cds? |
| 21:45.16 | Klaus_Dieter | whitetiger: you can use autofs with a low timeout |
| 21:45.24 | Glitch_Master | X seems to be working a little better in general. No laggy movement and such... How can I be sure the x-core thing is running correctly, green_earz? |
| 21:45.34 | mepis | hi at all!!! |
| 21:45.49 | mepis | do you speak italian? |
| 21:46.03 | Glitch_Master | No. |
| 21:46.29 | shingouz | !it |
| 21:46.29 | dpkg | italian is, like, per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 21:46.48 | mepis | tanks |
| 21:46.52 | whitetiger | Klaus_Dieter: you mean it would let autofs unmount it? |
| 21:46.52 | shingouz | np |
| 21:47.13 | BW[away] | i'm now running sarge, but how do i upgrade exim 3 to exim 4? |
| 21:47.27 | drac | BW[away]: apt-get install exim4 |
| 21:47.28 | Glitch_Master | BW[away]: You should get Synaptic package manager. |
| 21:47.40 | Glitch_Master | Err.. |
| 21:47.46 | Glitch_Master | Capitalize where it applies. |
| 21:47.47 | Klaus_Dieter | whitetiger: mount & unmount |
| 21:47.49 | Blissex | BW[away]: just upgrade, but consider that the configuration file syntax is slightly different. |
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| 21:48.09 | Glitch_Master | I forgot the package name, but that makes installing packages a hell of a lot easier, and it fixes/balances stuff. |
| 21:48.13 | michal_ | has something happened to samba in sid in the last day or so? it refuses to authenticate users |
| 21:48.26 | drac | michal_: Consulted BTS allready? |
| 21:48.40 | whitetiger | Klaus_Dieter: yes but it seems famd sits on the mounted cd and makes it not unmountable |
| 21:48.52 | michal_ | drac: didn't see anything about it under samba but it could the result of some other package :/ |
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| 21:49.17 | shingouz | This doze-crap is making me nauseous. Is there a way I can upgrade the firmware on a 3crwe737a under linux? |
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| 21:49.42 | Dabian | Well .. my question is simply what kind of symmetric encryption gnupg uses. |
| 21:49.45 | EvanCarroll | shingouz: depends on how the manufacturer sends out the firmware |
| 21:50.03 | Glitch_Master | Oh no.... my wrist started hurting.... I had better not be getting carpal tunnel syndrome... |
| 21:50.11 | dambodog | is there a way to allow a normal user the root power (without needing a passwd) to restart a service? |
| 21:50.23 | shift__ | Glitch_Master - You might want to seriously consider taking a 15 minute break. |
| 21:50.24 | Dabian | dambodog : Yes. |
| 21:50.29 | dambodog | Dabian, how? |
| 21:50.42 | shift__ | Glitch_Master - I'm 20 and I've got CTS. It is MAJOR suckage. |
| 21:50.45 | michal_ | drac: besides.. when installing i have all known outstanding bugs checked by apt-listbugs.. right now the bts doesn't even work for me |
| 21:50.56 | BW[away] | mine hurts quite often (wrist) :( |
| 21:51.02 | shingouz | EvanCarroll: The filename is 3compc.img and the size is 63.8k |
| 21:51.05 | Dabian | dambodog : You make the script to restart the service suid |
| 21:51.20 | Dabian | dambodog : I am not recommending this though .. . . |
| 21:51.22 | k-dog | Glitch_Master: aptitude / synaptic? WRT: 14:48 < Glitch_Master> I forgot the package name, but that makes installing |
| 21:51.27 | dambodog | Dabian, how do i set the suid? |
| 21:51.44 | k-dog | shingouz: You _might_ be able to run a firmware upgrade under dosemu |
| 21:51.45 | michal_ | i might have to reboot this machine to see if it fixes samba :/ |
| 21:51.56 | Glitch_Master | k-dog, Synaptic. |
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| 21:52.08 | Glitch_Master | shift_, I'll do that, but tell me, is it an aweful pain or a severe loss of dexterity? |
| 21:52.22 | k-dog | Glitch_Master: Oi. I prefer aptitude myself, but they're pretty similar in functionality. |
| 21:52.30 | shingouz | k-dog: Looks like the frigging cd I downloaded from 3com has some neat windows utility which does not see the adapter for some reason |
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| 21:52.52 | whitetiger | Klaus_Dieter: I realized it's really just a part of gnome, and I am fortunately on kde so I'll just apt-get remove it including gnome ;-) |
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| 21:53.19 | shift__ | Glitch_Master - It's a sharp pain combined with a dull ache combined with limp wrists. |
| 21:53.21 | stew | hrm, anyone know an easy way that i can take a single file out of a maildir and make it into a mbox? i thought i could just stick a line with "From foo@bar.com" at the top |
| 21:53.42 | Diaspar | dambodog: man chmod. also man sudo may be of help. |
| 21:54.12 | Glitch_Master | shift_: Ah. I'll have to research it, but considering that that is similar to the pain I was just feeling, I had better stop while I can. :P <END OF TYPING> |
| 21:54.51 | michal_ | is there any way to force samba to log more information? |
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| 21:55.03 | michal_ | because currently it doesn't authenticate and it doesn't log anything about it |
| 21:55.23 | peterS | michal_: sure, smb.conf has a parameter for that. 'debug level = nnn' |
| 21:55.33 | k-dog | shingouz: Can you dig into it to find the actual firmware update POS? |
| 21:55.35 | peterS | michal_: default is something like 1, there are meaningful distinctions up to 100 or so |
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| 21:55.50 | k-dog | shingouz: Personally, I hate crap wrapped in useless cladding. |
| 21:56.07 | michal_ | peters: loglevel.. apparently there is no default :/ |
| 21:56.18 | k-dog | stew: You can save to a new file from mutt. If that file exists, you get an mbox. |
| 21:56.22 | Glitch_Master | Hey! I'm trying this wrist rest for the first time in years. It's detachable on my Memorex keyboard, but now my wrists are at ease and my fingers are doing the work... |
| 21:56.22 | michal_ | peters: then it goes on to say 0 is default :P |
| 21:56.26 | Glitch_Master | Still, I had better take a break. |
| 21:56.26 | k-dog | stew: File may be zero length. |
| 21:56.28 | shingouz | k-dog: I already have the 63.8k firmware file here, just the installer barfs |
| 21:56.34 | k-dog | shingouz: Heh. |
| 21:56.38 | k-dog | @comfort shingouz |
| 21:56.40 | ravenbird | There, there, shingouz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:56.49 | shingouz | aaaargh :) |
| 21:56.56 | peterS | michal_: well, there is a default level, I just forget exactly what it is. I'm betting you don't want more verbosity than 'log level = 10' or so |
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| 21:57.18 | bucky | michal_, edit it, uncomment it and restart it |
| 21:58.04 | P8ntKid | what is xfce? |
| 21:58.17 | liran | which is the tool to configure networking (eth0) in debian? |
| 21:58.19 | peterS | michal_: at higher debug levels, samba has *noticeable* performance problems. it's spending so much time formatting and writing out log files that it doesn't have time to, you know, serve files |
| 21:58.22 | shingouz | !xfce |
| 21:58.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
| 21:58.35 | michal_ | petrs: ok.. the logs say that i'm using the wrong password :P |
| 21:58.42 | k-dog | liran: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:58.51 | k-dog | liran: Sample configs in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 21:58.51 | michal_ | peterS, but I know it's correct and i've even reset it a few minutes ago |
| 21:59.06 | P8ntKid | oh, is xfce good for a low ram comp? |
| 21:59.09 | shift__ | Glitch_Master - That wrist thing will probably help, but I'd still recommend taking a short break when it starts to hurt. Heck, even 5 minutes is good. Go get a sandwich or something. |
| 21:59.15 | k-dog | P8ntKid: It's OK, how much RAM? |
| 21:59.16 | liran | k-dog, ill check it out, another thing is that i manually loaded my ethernet module using modprobe 3c509 (3com), how can i make debian load it on boot? |
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| 21:59.22 | P8ntKid | like, 128 MB |
| 21:59.27 | liran | add it somehow to /etc/module.conf or something, no? |
| 21:59.29 | P8ntKid | will it run faster then gnome? |
| 21:59.35 | peterS | michal_: there are many possible reasons for this. most likely, you changed your unix password but this wasn't synced with your samba password |
| 21:59.38 | EvanCarroll | michal_: you need to run the smbadduser utilityu |
| 22:00.01 | k-dog | !small window manager |
| 22:00.01 | dpkg | small window manager is, like, evilwm (16928 bytes plus xlibs and libc6, total package size 60K), then 9wm, lwm. pwm (336K Debian package, 87384 bytes) has good features:size ratio. ratpoison (208K/56104 bytes) is a whole different way to look at managing X windows. |
| 22:00.08 | k-dog | P8ntKid: Should be fine. |
| 22:00.12 | whitetiger | P8ntKid: it's pretty enough to choose between all desktop |
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| 22:00.17 | michal_ | peterS, no i never change my unix password.. or the samba one for that matter :P not on these systems. and like i said.. just minutues ago i set the pasword again to be sure |
| 22:00.18 | EvanCarroll | michal_: or rather smbpasswd -a |
| 22:00.27 | k-dog | P8ntKid: Depends on the apps, really, I'd consider low-ram to be 64-96 MB orso. |
| 22:00.38 | P8ntKid | o ok |
| 22:00.44 | whitetiger | P8ntKid: it is a bit faster... but I tried it on 64M |
| 22:01.17 | P8ntKid | Another question, is it normal to have to use startx everytime i boot into debian? |
| 22:01.23 | whitetiger | and on 32M ram both xfce4 and gnome seem to be rather unusable |
| 22:01.38 | Diaspar | liran: in file /etc/modutils/aliases add a line: alias eth03c509 then run update-modules |
| 22:01.46 | shift__ | P8ntKid - Why not upgrade your ram? $30 would get you another 128mb stick, wouldn't it? (Haven't looked at value ram prices in years... Guessing) |
| 22:01.52 | michal_ | EvanCarroll, well i'll try deleting the user first and then readding him |
| 22:01.55 | lunaphyte | how can i figure out which device in /dev a usb ups is? |
| 22:01.59 | k-dog | Anyone got a good HTTP proxy site? |
| 22:02.01 | whitetiger | P8ntKid: you can choose |
| 22:02.10 | P8ntKid | becuase im on a old IBM pc server 330 |
| 22:02.13 | P8ntKid | yes, very old |
| 22:02.16 | shift__ | P8ntKid - Many people prefer it. But it is possible to get it set up to boot into X |
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| 22:02.24 | P8ntKid | ok |
| 22:02.36 | P8ntKid | so, if i install xfce how will i boot into it? |
| 22:02.39 | k-dog | P8ntKid: if you want a graphical login screen, install one of: gdm, kdm, wdm, xdm. |
| 22:02.44 | shift__ | Wow. I recommend VNC + twm. |
| 22:02.52 | shift__ | Do everything remotely :) |
| 22:02.52 | michal_ | nope.. still says the password is wrong |
| 22:03.02 | hgn | i have gdm and XFCE installed |
| 22:03.13 | hgn | infact im on xfce right now |
| 22:03.16 | P8ntKid | k-dog, can i PM you? |
| 22:03.36 | michal_ | in the log files it's listing my user as Michal rather than michal.. isthat a problem? it never has been before |
| 22:04.02 | michal_ | check_ntlm_password: sam authentication for user [Michal] FAILED with error NT_STATUS_WRONG_PASSWORD |
| 22:04.05 | shingouz | P8ntKid: PPro-200, 128M ram? xfce is good |
| 22:04.15 | P8ntKid | ok |
| 22:04.26 | P8ntKid | Now, if i install xcfe, how will i boot into it? |
| 22:04.37 | P8ntKid | becuase right now, i have to do the startx comand |
| 22:04.42 | shingouz | P8ntKid: INstall any of the display managers |
| 22:04.47 | peterS | lunaphyte: USB-aware UPS monitors should be able to find it without you knowing exactly where it is |
| 22:04.47 | shift__ | Two ways - gdm or .xinitrc (if you want to start up in console) |
| 22:05.03 | Dabian | P8ntKid : YOu could use GDM; and maybe enable autologin. |
| 22:05.08 | shingouz | P8ntKid: gdm, xdm, wdm, kdm what have you |
| 22:05.08 | Diaspar | P8ntKid: change your default runlevel |
| 22:05.13 | stew | Diaspar: wtf? |
| 22:05.15 | P8ntKid | ok |
| 22:05.17 | lunaphyte | peterS: currently, i am using/trying nut. |
| 22:05.18 | P8ntKid | im gona install gdm |
| 22:05.21 | shingouz | Diaspar: That does nto work on Debian |
| 22:05.29 | lunaphyte | peterS: with the hidups driver |
| 22:05.50 | P8ntKid | k, installing gdm now |
| 22:05.52 | whitetiger | P8ntKid: you just run startxfce4 |
| 22:05.59 | whitetiger | P8ntKid: instead of startx |
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| 22:06.32 | peterS | lunaphyte: sounds correct. it should be able to find the UPS on its own. make sure you have the 'usbhid' kernel module loaded (or 'hid' for 2.4 kernels) |
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| 22:06.49 | P8ntKid | will gdm automaticly start when it boots into debian? |
| 22:07.05 | hgn | yea gdm will |
| 22:07.05 | Diaspar | stew shingouz: yes, I am wrong here :( |
| 22:07.07 | liran | P8ntKid, thats how it is for me |
| 22:07.18 | liran | P8ntKid, which is not always good |
| 22:07.18 | P8ntKid | ok, it just finished installing gdm |
| 22:07.28 | aFlag | what's the name of the package for a internet radio server |
| 22:07.34 | ifireball | .close |
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| 22:07.41 | P8ntKid | now, id gdm doent start when i boot into debian, how can i start it? |
| 22:07.52 | streuner_ | aFlag: icecast |
| 22:07.54 | shift__ | Type gdm |
| 22:07.58 | jhave_ | how do i get my NTFS disks in my machine on my gnome desktop ? |
| 22:07.59 | P8ntKid | o ok |
| 22:08.00 | aFlag | streuner, thanks |
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| 22:08.30 | stew | P8ntKid: update-rc.d gdm defaults ; <- will set it to run at boot; /etc/init.d/gdm start <- to start it now |
| 22:08.32 | P8ntKid | k, downloading xfce now |
| 22:08.35 | lunaphyte | peterS: thanks |
| 22:08.46 | shingouz | P8ntKid: I hope you do that with apt-get |
| 22:08.52 | P8ntKid | i am |
| 22:08.59 | shingouz | P8ntKid: Good |
| 22:09.16 | shift__ | So, short of piping the output from tcpdump to a text file, and removing one line for every one line that's entered... Is there any other way to root-tail tcpdump? |
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| 22:09.41 | stew | shift__: what do you mean by root-tail? |
| 22:09.44 | kamela | i need help |
| 22:10.01 | shingouz | !ask kamela |
| 22:10.03 | liran | kdm looks much better though :p |
| 22:10.04 | shift__ | There is/was a program that displayed information on your desktop. |
| 22:10.12 | shift__ | Like, log files, for example. |
| 22:10.12 | kadu | does anyone in here play stepmania? |
| 22:10.18 | shingouz | !tell kamela about ask |
| 22:10.19 | kamela | help me talk a dyke outta getting sperm from this guy http://www.fairfaxcryobank.com/cryo/shoppingcart/donorinfo.cfm?donor=1876 he sounds like a complete putz |
| 22:10.23 | shift__ | It was called root-tail or roottail, I think. |
| 22:10.35 | shingouz | !ops kamela is a pr0n spammer |
| 22:10.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kamela is a pr0n spammer |
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| 22:10.37 | kamela | its not worth it! |
| 22:10.51 | kamela | no, actually i'm not |
| 22:10.54 | kamela | i need help :-( |
| 22:10.55 | kamela | bah |
| 22:10.56 | michal_ | grr.. after breakfast i'm going to reboot.. samba is configured perfectly (as it has been for many months) and now it doesn't work correctly :/ if a reboot doesn't solve it then I might try purging and reinstalling samba :/ |
| 22:10.59 | shingouz | kamela: You could have fooled me |
| 22:11.02 | bucky | kamela, go empty the bank yourself first |
| 22:11.35 | BW[away] | im used to redhat /etc/rc.d/init.d/exim restart - how do i do the same with sarge? |
| 22:11.43 | kadu | can anyone help me with my ps2 adapter? |
| 22:11.49 | stew | BW[away]: /etc/init.d/exim restart |
| 22:12.01 | kadu | i plug it in and it dosent work |
| 22:12.02 | stew | BW[away]: or invoke-rc.d exim restart |
| 22:12.07 | kadu | i tryed to play stepmania |
| 22:12.09 | BW[away] | thanks :) |
| 22:12.10 | kadu | and it wont sence |
| 22:12.35 | jhave | how do i mount disks in fstab so another users cant read it ? |
| 22:12.54 | P8ntKid | ok im gona try to boot into xfce4 now |
| 22:12.54 | P8ntKid | ill brb |
| 22:12.55 | peterS | jhave: depends on the filesystem. some filesystems have a 'umask' mount option |
| 22:13.52 | shift__ | I wonder... Is P8ntKid "PaintKid" or "P8-NT-kid"? |
| 22:14.10 | peterS | shift__: maybe pwnt kid |
| 22:14.56 | shift__ | I really can't see how 8 = w... |
| 22:15.14 | shift__ | Wow. It's like a bad smilie face... 8=w |
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| 22:15.28 | shift__ | Or a broken... Uhh... Nevermind. |
| 22:16.09 | liran | to load up my nic i manually do 'modprobe 3c509' how can i add it to debians boot process? |
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| 22:16.29 | kamela | make a script and put it in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 22:16.29 | shingouz | liran: Either modconf or just add the module to /etc/modules |
| 22:16.30 | Gathond | liran: put the 3c509 bit in /etc/modules |
| 22:16.34 | kamela | or that |
| 22:16.35 | kamela | heh |
| 22:16.42 | peterS | shift__: ha |
| 22:16.59 | shingouz | kamela: What you suggested is nto really what should be done with debian |
| 22:17.01 | J_P | default kernel 2.6 in sarge not have suport for iswraid ? |
| 22:17.02 | peterS | shift__: I know 8 is not w, I just thought 'pwnt' was a nice designator |
| 22:17.13 | kamela | yeah i know, i only read his question once |
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| 22:17.17 | shift__ | *nods* I thought I was getting out of the loop for a second there. |
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| 22:17.23 | liran_ | sorry, i got disconnected |
| 22:17.29 | kamela | it's been a long week, and my beer to blood ration is too low |
| 22:17.32 | shingouz | liran_: Either modconf or just add the module to /etc/modules |
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| 22:18.17 | liran_ | shingouz, just put there '3c509' or the entire command with modprobe? |
| 22:18.44 | kamela | just the module name |
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| 22:18.59 | liran_ | thanks |
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| 22:19.33 | P8ntKid | damn, i atually did something right for once without problems |
| 22:19.36 | P8ntKid | im in xfce now |
| 22:19.39 | P8ntKid | runs faster then gnome |
| 22:19.42 | shift__ | Nice. |
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| 22:19.45 | steve | hey all |
| 22:19.50 | steve | I have 2 machines connected via crossover cable on a local network, they will ping eachother but refuse to exchange any other traffic (ssh, telnet etc) - any ideas/ |
| 22:19.54 | shift__ | Don'tcha just love it when everything works like it should? |
| 22:19.59 | P8ntKid | yes |
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| 22:20.07 | shift__ | steve - firewalls? |
| 22:20.11 | P8ntKid | gdm even worked too |
| 22:20.12 | steve | shift__: none |
| 22:20.17 | P8ntKid | so lets say if i wanted to install kde |
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| 22:20.28 | shift__ | steve - different IPs? |
| 22:20.31 | P8ntKid | if i installed it will it autmaticly add it to the gdm list? |
| 22:20.41 | steve | shift__: how do you mean? one is 192.168.1.1 and the other is 192.168.1.2 |
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| 22:20.51 | quittt | !skype |
| 22:20.51 | dpkg | [skype] a free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols |
| 22:20.52 | P8ntKid | i like rightclick menu thing in xfce |
| 22:21.02 | quittt | I want to get skype!! where can I download it? |
| 22:21.06 | shift__ | steve - That's what I meant. Hrm... I assume the services are installed and operational? |
| 22:21.12 | shingouz | liran_: Just the name of the module or use modconf to do the job, it is up to you really |
| 22:21.13 | steve | shift__: yeah |
| 22:21.20 | streuner_ | quittt: guess |
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| 22:21.26 | quittt | closed source is not that bad |
| 22:21.31 | quittt | streuner, the .deb |
| 22:21.32 | steve | they work on all other interfaces except the crossover ones |
| 22:21.36 | shift__ | steve - what error do you get when you ssh? |
| 22:21.40 | shingouz | P8ntKid: xfce is a hell of a lot faster than Gnome |
| 22:21.45 | steve | shift__: none, it hangs indefinately |
| 22:22.12 | streuner_ | quittt: any idea in which channel you are actually? |
| 22:22.24 | notty | i have a problem, apt-get uses KDE and i don't have a x server anymore so it gives me an error, how can i change it to dialog ? dpkg-reconfigure apt asks for a x server too |
| 22:22.24 | quittt | debian |
| 22:22.38 | jade | what do you guys think is faster? 100baseT hub or 10baseT switch? (for 4 clients) |
| 22:22.39 | k-dog | Anyone familiar with CLI access to HP 4K printers? |
| 22:22.48 | streuner_ | quittt: so visit www.debian.org and read a little bit about |
| 22:22.49 | shift__ | jade - 100baseT |
| 22:22.51 | k-dog | jade: What's 100/4/2? |
| 22:23.07 | Disp | telnet to the printer |
| 22:23.08 | k-dog | jade: Depends on client traffic. If yuou' |
| 22:23.09 | Disp | use a ? |
| 22:23.12 | quittt | streuner_, well I use it |
| 22:23.18 | k-dog | Disp: Thanks. |
| 22:23.32 | k-dog | Disp: connection refused |
| 22:23.39 | kamela | anyone know how to change username in irssi? |
| 22:23.40 | streuner_ | quittt: so you just use it |
| 22:23.46 | k-dog | Disp: Open ports: 80 280 515 631 9100 |
| 22:23.52 | k-dog | kamela: /nick <newnick> |
| 22:23.56 | Disp | k-dog: the config must have it blocked, try using the web interface |
| 22:23.56 | quittt | streuner_, just? |
| 22:23.58 | kamela | not nick, username |
| 22:24.00 | peterS | k-dog: he said username |
| 22:24.04 | kamela | like widget@pron.com |
| 22:24.04 | quittt | isnt it made for it? |
| 22:24.10 | kamela | just the widget part |
| 22:24.24 | kamela | bah |
| 22:24.25 | kamela | nm |
| 22:24.26 | streuner_ | quittt: there is an idea behind it |
| 22:24.27 | kamela | wrong window |
| 22:24.28 | peterS | kamela: /set user_name foo |
| 22:24.29 | peterS | kamela: /save |
| 22:24.35 | notty | i have a problem, apt-get uses KDE and i don't have a x server anymore so it gives me an error, how can i change it to dialog ? dpkg-reconfigure apt asks for a x server too. what can i do ? |
| 22:24.40 | kamela | ah danke |
| 22:24.42 | peterS | kamela: /reconnect |
| 22:24.46 | k-dog | jade: ...if your clients are hammering the net, you'll get a theoretical max of 12 Mb/s per client. In practice, 100baseT will be faster. |
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| 22:24.59 | k-dog | jade: ...in all likelihood. |
| 22:25.10 | streuner_ | quittt: _free_ and _open_ software |
| 22:25.21 | k-dog | notty: dpkg-reconfigure debconf or find debconf's config file... |
| 22:25.29 | quittt | yes I know the difference |
| 22:25.33 | quittt | I am not stupid |
| 22:25.46 | k-dog | Disp: web access requires java crap not installed. |
| 22:26.34 | shift__ | Anyone know if Cisco makes a 24-port gigabit switch (As in, 24 ports operating at 1000/100/10, Copper, not fiber)? |
| 22:26.50 | shift__ | Perferably with a fiber uplink. |
| 22:27.12 | jade | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.13 | cafuego | undoubtedly. |
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| 22:27.21 | k-dog | jade: Heh. |
| 22:27.28 | streuner_ | quittt: OK, then don't ask fucking stupid questions |
| 22:27.29 | cafuego | shift__: do you have a lot of other cisco equipment? |
| 22:28.10 | shift__ | cafuego - 2x routers, 30 100/10 switches, and a buttload of random Aironet stuff. |
| 22:28.32 | shift__ | (20 100/10's, not 30. Typo.) |
| 22:28.38 | cafuego | shift__: *nod* I was told by an admin on a very lartge site that cisco stuff doesn't like playing nice with non-cisco stuff. |
| 22:29.36 | shift__ | I love the catalyst stuff... |
| 22:29.38 | phogg | shift__: AFAIK they do, but I couldn't tell you the model numbers. |
| 22:30.10 | shift__ | phogg - That's my problem too. The only gigabit switches I can find are gigabit uplink, not full switches. |
| 22:30.12 | shingouz | quittt: Check out the skype.com site, you will find a deb from there. Will need some horses though, a 300MHz is not enough |
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| 22:31.24 | dataw0lf | re: bigdog_ut pimpage. It's a lie. It always has been. |
| 22:31.36 | phogg | quittt: you know that skype is evil, right? |
| 22:31.38 | cafuego | 6500 series has up to 576 gigabit ethernet ports :-) |
| 22:31.38 | quittt | streuner_, so dont be so fucking agressive |
| 22:31.44 | quittt | phogg, no? |
| 22:31.46 | quittt | why? |
| 22:31.59 | phogg | quittt: it's trying to smother emerging voip standards |
| 22:32.28 | mentor | quittt, streuner_: hmmm... |
| 22:32.28 | cafuego | shift__: Catalyst 2948G-GE-TX |
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| 22:32.36 | phogg | quittt: they don't play nice. I've heard bad things about non-skype clients talking to skype clients. |
| 22:32.41 | shingouz | phogg: Correct. Would be nice if someone wrote OpenSkype or something |
| 22:32.49 | cafuego | Tho that doesn't appear to have fibre uplinks |
| 22:32.55 | shingouz | phogg: There are non-skype clients too? |
| 22:33.04 | Dabian | shingouz : Why not use REAL VoIP ? |
| 22:33.12 | phogg | shingouz: everything skype does can already be had with free software, it's just that skype makes it "easy" |
| 22:33.18 | quittt | voip? |
| 22:33.20 | quittt | what is? |
| 22:33.20 | shift__ | cafuego - Nope. That's 10/100 with gigabit uplink. |
| 22:33.28 | shingouz | Dabian: Tell that to the lusers who install SKype and think it is the bees knees |
| 22:33.35 | Dabian | quittt : IP phones |
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| 22:33.47 | Dabian | quittt : SIP |
| 22:33.48 | quittt | Dabian, hum... |
| 22:33.52 | Dabian | !tell quittt about SIP |
| 22:34.06 | shingouz | phogg: But is there some client that can actually connect to Skype clients is what I'd like to know |
| 22:34.06 | phogg | shingouz: by lowering the barrier to entry just a bit they're grabbing marketshare and making their network a defacto standard. Like AIM but worse, or like IE but not as obvious |
| 22:34.10 | J_P | I find problem... sarge rc2 with "linux26" not have i810-tco(module for support to raid ship ICH5/ICH5R) of intel for do raid!! Anyone know ig rc3 D-I have this modulo in kernel for boot ? |
| 22:34.26 | shingouz | phogg: I know, you do not have to tell me about it |
| 22:34.28 | shingouz | :) |
| 22:34.35 | shift__ | Does unstable support / on software raid 5? |
| 22:34.40 | phogg | shingouz: skype specifically perverts existing protocols to make it not work. So I have been told. |
| 22:34.56 | cafuego | shift__: Probably, yes. You won't run unstable on a production box though, will you? |
| 22:35.01 | J_P | anyone can help me ? |
| 22:35.05 | shingouz | phogg: Ditto, that is why I asked if you happened to know something that plays nicely with Skype |
| 22:35.06 | peterS | shift__: debian-installer should be able to set that up for you. however, you won't be able to use that partition for booting (i.e. for hosting the lilo or grub files). |
| 22:35.22 | peterS | shift__: so you'll need a separate /boot partition that is either bare platter, or raid1 |
| 22:35.24 | jcole | what's the gtk bittorent gui? this java one in debian, Azureus, takes too much memory... i can't seem find the gtk one in synaptic |
| 22:35.32 | phogg | shingouz: I know of nothing, and I believe it isn't really possible |
| 22:35.43 | quittt | synaptic rox |
| 22:35.46 | shingouz | phogg: Nothing is impossible :) |
| 22:35.48 | dondelelcaro | jcole: bittornado |
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| 22:36.14 | mentor | !tell jcole about search |
| 22:36.15 | shift__ | peterS - Using software RAID, you should be able to use raid 1 + raid 5 on the same physical disks, right? |
| 22:36.16 | mentor | jcole: ? |
| 22:36.35 | peterS | shift__: yeah, you just partition the disks and stick individual partitions into raid arrays |
| 22:36.39 | phogg | shingouz: not possible without playing their game. It's like asking the Mozilla guys to make gecko do page transitions to be compatible with IE |
| 22:36.44 | cafuego | shift__: Yes, you can have a raid1 and a raid5 partition on all disks, then turn 'em all into 2 arrays. |
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| 22:36.49 | peterS | shift__: both raid1 and raid5 require that all participating partitions be the same size, note |
| 22:37.07 | shift__ | peterS / cafuego - Thanks. |
| 22:37.13 | cafuego | And by using 3 disks, you'll automagically have a hot spare for /boot |
| 22:37.35 | peterS | cafuego: heh, true, not that a hot spare for /boot will do you much good if / doesn't have one (: |
| 22:38.00 | shingouz | phogg: The protocol has already been dissected and Sourceforge has at least one project that supposedly is looking into making an open version of Skype |
| 22:38.02 | stew | heh: http://ianmurdock.com/archives/000281.html |
| 22:38.06 | cafuego | peterS: Depends on what sort of crap you stick on the initrd eh? You *could* plonk a whole rescue set on... |
| 22:38.06 | tarzeau | bob2: 0? |
| 22:38.15 | peterS | cafuego: ah, heh |
| 22:38.26 | phogg | shingouz: a waste of effort. Shunning them would be a better idea. |
| 22:38.41 | jhave | why are there no sound in gnome ? |
| 22:38.57 | streuner_ | jhave: /msg dpkg sound? |
| 22:39.00 | cafuego | jhave: Most gnome users are deaf, so there's no point. |
| 22:39.11 | peterS | !seen imurdock |
| 22:39.12 | dpkg | imurdock <~imurdock@adsl-68-72-34-29.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9d 13h 9m 34s ago, saying: 'streuner: howdy'. |
| 22:39.13 | streuner_ | jhave: have you fixed your videocard problem? |
| 22:39.23 | shingouz | phogg: With all the users there are already shunning is no longer an option. You could pretty much shun M$ Office fileformats too |
| 22:39.28 | Dabian | quittt : The reason to choose real VoIP over skype, is that the quality isn't as lousy as mobile phones. But don't go with crappy software, buy a hardware unit to connect your phone to. |
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| 22:39.48 | cafuego | shingouz: shunning msoffice file formats isn't very hard to do. |
| 22:39.49 | n0dez | jhave, chmod 666 your audio file devices and load the proper module |
| 22:40.12 | stew | n0dez: /msg dpkg unix lessons |
| 22:40.19 | J_P | cafuego: exist channel for D-I ? |
| 22:40.27 | cafuego | J_P: Yes. |
| 22:40.29 | streuner_ | n0dez: that's not correct in debian |
| 22:40.32 | cafuego | J_P: #debian-boot |
| 22:40.34 | shingouz | cafuego: Welll... I have noticed several places who do not understand anything else except the frigging *.doc for incoming attachments. Assholes, say I |
| 22:40.35 | J_P | ok |
| 22:40.35 | quittt | Dabian, I like Skype because it is cheaper |
| 22:40.40 | stew | J_P: not a help chennel though only a dev channel |
| 22:40.50 | cafuego | shingouz: Don't you auto-bounce those due to virus concerns? |
| 22:41.12 | stew | err channel |
| 22:41.19 | quittt | amsn crashes all the time |
| 22:41.31 | jhave | streuner_, yes |
| 22:41.37 | streuner_ | !tell quittt about bts |
| 22:41.38 | jhave | my video works :) |
| 22:41.47 | shingouz | cafuego: I do and I always tell them to send something else but from time to time I have to send out crap in that format because the recipient is too stupid or lazy to be able to open anything else |
| 22:41.49 | streuner_ | jhave: who helped you? |
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| 22:42.12 | jhave | i try the orginal nvidia driver |
| 22:42.14 | jcole | dondelelcaro mentor: thanks. i guess seeing bittornado-gui and bittorrent-gui side-by-side in synaptic just confused the hell out of me |
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| 22:42.21 | jhave | and so i works |
| 22:42.22 | Delph | shingouz: can't you send html documents ? |
| 22:42.30 | Delph | which should open in word? |
| 22:42.33 | mentor | jcole: :) |
| 22:42.34 | streuner_ | jhave: argh - that's not the debian way |
| 22:42.38 | n0dez | stew, streuner that worked for me |
| 22:42.44 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:42.44 | n0dez | :) |
| 22:42.55 | streuner_ | !sound |
| 22:42.55 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 22:42.55 | shakparl | how do i not install recommended packages while using apt-get |
| 22:42.56 | stew | n0dez: next time adduser n0dez audio |
| 22:43.02 | shakparl | !nagios |
| 22:43.10 | n0dez | i'm not running woody |
| 22:43.21 | n0dez | i'm running sarge |
| 22:43.35 | quittt | sarge rox |
| 22:43.42 | n0dez | but it's good to know there are other ways to do the same thing |
| 22:43.43 | shakparl | <3 sarge |
| 22:43.48 | n0dez | so thanks |
| 22:43.49 | shingouz | Delph: I already told you it is not what *I* want to send, it is a question of what the recipient is willing to open. They are assholes and that's it |
| 22:44.56 | jhave | streuner, but it work |
| 22:45.02 | BW[away] | help... it says to configure the deafult local transport in /etc/exim4/updateexim4.comf etc - but icant see an option for local transport in the file? :S |
| 22:45.07 | shakparl | !apt-get |
| 22:45.07 | dpkg | methinks apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask ... |
| 22:45.22 | chealer | !tell shakparl about msg the bot |
| 22:45.25 | streuner_ | jhave: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 22:45.39 | shakparl | !no |
| 22:45.39 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 22:45.42 | Gumby | does anyone here know how I'd view something like syslog in an Eterm terminal without borders or any input. ie: have it start automagically when my WM starts. |
| 22:46.31 | Gumby | getting the terminal started to look how I want it to look isnt a problem, its just getting it to start suid root and to tail syslog automatically |
| 22:46.39 | stew | shakparl: i dont' think apt-get can but aptitude has a command line switch |
| 22:47.12 | jhave | !sound |
| 22:47.13 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 22:47.24 | shakparl | stew thx |
| 22:47.28 | stew | !WikiFaq jhave UseSoundCard |
| 22:47.28 | dpkg | jhave: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 22:47.40 | linuxfreck | Gumby: root-tail, and you don't want to run it setuid root, but adjust you log file permissions |
| 22:48.31 | jcole | dondelelcaro mentor: actually, that's gtk1, this is the gtk2 one http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/, unfortunately it's not in debian |
| 22:48.34 | stew | Gumby: i'd say sudo would be better than buth changing permissions or suid |
| 22:48.38 | stew | both* |
| 22:48.44 | mentor | :( |
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| 22:50.46 | Gumby | steve: any idea how I'd get it to start with the command tail -f /var/log/syslog though? |
| 22:50.50 | Gumby | or rather sudo |
| 22:50.56 | Gumby | sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 22:51.03 | Gumby | sorry, stew |
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| 22:51.36 | jair_11 | I configure sarge RC3 netinst. I install manually all my packages |
| 22:51.50 | jcole | that's one hell of a way to configure sound in debian, scary actually |
| 22:51.54 | enigmus | do you need root privileges to forge tcp packets? (in particular SEQ number) |
| 22:52.15 | cafuego | jcole: Well, on some installs (mine) it Just Works[tm] |
| 22:52.21 | jair_11 | but I am having problems connecting to a wireless AP with ASCII encryption I have the essid = klavier and the key is a text = linux 64 bit |
| 22:52.23 | cafuego | enigmus: Probably |
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| 22:52.49 | jair_11 | I need to install any extra package in the ipw2100 centrino mini pci to acess ASCII? |
| 22:53.14 | dondelelcaro | jcole: so file an RFP bug |
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| 22:54.12 | jair_11 | I can connect to the HEX 128bit with no problem |
| 22:54.14 | felipe_br | how can I compile a source package with debugging enabled? |
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| 22:54.26 | jhave | what pakage do gnome need to play sounds ? |
| 22:54.27 | jair_11 | but not to the 64 bit ASCII |
| 22:55.12 | streuner_ | jhave: when you asking in that way, ESD |
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| 22:55.19 | k-dog | Why are Sun *SO* fucking braindead? |
| 22:55.31 | shakparl | k-dog: they lost all their good talent |
| 22:55.32 | streuner_ | jhave: apt-get install gnome just installs it for you auto, why? |
| 22:55.47 | k-dog | shakparl: Chased it off with a fucking stick is more like it. |
| 22:56.00 | k-dog | OK, what do I have to do to enable java fucking plugins in fucking galeon? |
| 22:56.17 | shakparl | i dunno i use opera |
| 22:56.17 | jhave | streuner, and a loot another stuff |
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| 22:56.19 | maher | k-dog: did you make the symlink? |
| 22:56.22 | k-dog | Tried Sundown crap with deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian testing non-free |
| 22:56.25 | k-dog | maher: Which? |
| 22:56.41 | shingouz | k-dog: I do not remember how I had to do it but it went just like enabling them in fucking Mozilla :) |
| 22:57.25 | k-dog | shingouz: Fuckin' a, no fuckin' kiddin'? |
| 22:57.37 | shingouz | k-dog: Fuckin A |
| 22:57.38 | k-dog | Our story, just FYI.... |
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| 22:58.08 | k-dog | Trying to sort an HP printer. Which doesn't respond to jetdirect or ipp, so I go to :80 w/ browser. Natch it javafied out the shitter. |
| 22:58.11 | shingouz | k-dog: Seriously, iirc there was some tutorial on the Mozilla website about Java. Check it out |
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| 22:58.20 | k-dog | Play 20 questions with dpkg here.... |
| 22:58.39 | HellMind | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:32 wtf |
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| 22:58.48 | streuner_ | jhave: if you don't spell my nick not correctly i have problems to see your answers... |
| 22:58.49 | k-dog | ...find Sun's site is impenetrable marketspeak. IBM's about the same. Sundown points to d/l stuff clearly. |
| 22:58.58 | k-dog | HellMind: Configure your rootfs properly in GRUB/LILO. |
| 22:59.12 | HellMind | rootfs? |
| 22:59.15 | HellMind | i use lilo |
| 22:59.18 | chealer | there's a FAQ about java on mozilla.org, but they didn't followup to several requests to update it |
| 22:59.21 | HellMind | and i cant find the error |
| 22:59.22 | k-dog | ...spend five minutes w/ Blackwon / tux.org figuring out apt/sources.list line. |
| 22:59.45 | k-dog | Install. No joy. Browser restart. No joy. (this is galeon). Mozilla. No joy. |
| 23:00.04 | k-dog | Firefox. "Download plugin". Sun site. Find an RPM, figure "WTF, I'll alien it". |
| 23:00.09 | k-dog | It's an rpm.bin. |
| 23:00.18 | k-dog | ...which is actually a fucking shell script w/ license crap. |
| 23:00.21 | k-dog | Bail on that. |
| 23:00.38 | k-dog | I mean how many fucking feet do they have to fucking shoot themfuckingselves in? |
| 23:00.49 | k-dog | Sun should adopt a new mascot. |
| 23:00.52 | k-dog | A millipede. |
| 23:01.01 | k-dog | An extremely well-armed millipide. |
| 23:01.04 | Dabian | k-dog : My guess can be as good as yours, but I'd say 2 each. |
| 23:01.06 | k-dog | Fanaticially blowing its feet off. |
| 23:01.19 | maher | k-dog: try /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/javaplugin_oji.so |
| 23:01.31 | Dabian | maher : He needs to link to it. |
| 23:01.34 | k-dog | ls: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/javaplugin_oji.so: No such file or directory |
| 23:01.35 | maher | k-dog: use java-package to install java on debian |
| 23:01.39 | Dabian | maher : Symbolicly. |
| 23:01.52 | maher | k-dog: make that point to your javaplugin that came with java |
| 23:01.52 | k-dog | maher: Been there, done that, spewed spittle all over the t-shirt. |
| 23:01.54 | HellMind | k-dog i didnt change lilo |
| 23:01.54 | bucky | k-dog, ln -s path-to-java/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/javaplugin_oji.so |
| 23:02.01 | bucky | like in the old days |
| 23:02.01 | igorn | k-dog, here is one way to get Java going : http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian |
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| 23:02.09 | Dabian | I have a working java 1.5 |
| 23:02.10 | HellMind | .conf, and when i execute it says all is ok |
| 23:02.33 | Dabian | bucky Thats old plugin .. now its ns7 |
| 23:02.43 | bucky | ic |
| 23:02.52 | Dabian | bucky SOmething like that .. IIRC .. |
| 23:03.04 | bucky | i don't use 1.5 |
| 23:03.06 | Dabian | bucky : I can check .. your idea is perfect though ... :) |
| 23:03.09 | maher | HellMind: are you using a kernel with an initrd |
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| 23:03.37 | HellMind | yep |
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| 23:03.50 | maher | HellMind: is lilo set up to use it |
| 23:04.05 | HellMind | yep |
| 23:04.21 | angie | hello there |
| 23:04.22 | bucky | did you run lilo after editing lilo.conf ? |
| 23:04.26 | HellMind | yep |
| 23:04.26 | Sinisterr | what desktop enviorment does the sarge netinstall default to kde or gnome? |
| 23:04.34 | igorn | Gnome |
| 23:04.36 | HellMind | initrd=/initrd.img |
| 23:04.40 | angie | i'm having a cpu issue with cdrecord... any help please? |
| 23:04.45 | k-dog | igorn: Would you believe the Sun D/L site isn't rendering now in Galeon? |
| 23:04.45 | streuner | igorn: uh, no |
| 23:04.46 | Sinisterr | dang i was afraid of that |
| 23:04.52 | shakparl | Sinisterr: it's very easy to switch though |
| 23:04.56 | Laibsch | http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?t=4489&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90 tells me I might want to get esd to get skype working on my sarge box. I can't the corresponding deb package. |
| 23:04.58 | HellMind | root =boot= dev hdb2 |
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| 23:05.03 | streuner | Sinisterr: you can install everything you want |
| 23:05.04 | igorn | it does not ? Mine did... |
| 23:05.06 | bucky | HellMind, did you build cramfs into the kernel? |
| 23:05.09 | maher | HellMind: does that point to the right image? |
| 23:05.11 | Sinisterr | cool |
| 23:05.19 | chealer | Sinisterr: none, and there's nothing specific about the netinstall for that |
| 23:05.27 | Laibsch | angie: what CPU issue? |
| 23:05.38 | HellMind | im using a kernel precompiled |
| 23:05.38 | Sinisterr | apt-get kde would work? |
| 23:05.44 | igorn | ah.. .when you install the desktop set it does... |
| 23:05.51 | igorn | nod |
| 23:05.53 | HellMind | yep |
| 23:05.57 | shakparl | Sinisterr: i've done several 2.6 sarge net-inst and all 3 i switched to kdm and installed enlightenment wm via appt |
| 23:05.57 | streuner | Sinisterr: sure |
| 23:06.00 | chealer | Sinisterr: check #debian-kde |
| 23:06.02 | maher | HellMind: which kernel |
| 23:06.09 | Sinisterr | k |
| 23:06.11 | HellMind | maher i tryied 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 23:06.14 | HellMind | both the same |
| 23:06.16 | Sinisterr | thanks |
| 23:06.16 | HellMind | error |
| 23:06.24 | streuner | chealer: that would him to unstable... |
| 23:06.31 | streuner | chealer: point* |
| 23:06.33 | Sinisterr | puting sarge on my laptop |
| 23:06.36 | maher | HellMind: paste lilo.conf and ls -l / into flood |
| 23:06.41 | angie | Laibsch: during the recording process the cpu usage increase and arrive at 100%... |
| 23:06.43 | chealer | streuner: what do you mean exactly? |
| 23:06.49 | bucky | the initrd dialog defaults to [No/yes] |
| 23:06.52 | bucky | no |
| 23:07.01 | streuner | chealer: you know that those debs in /topic are for unstable? |
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| 23:07.07 | bucky | and tells you to edit lilo.conf |
| 23:07.09 | HellMind | which flood |
| 23:07.10 | Laibsch | which package provides esd on sarge? |
| 23:07.16 | resiak | !info esound sarge |
| 23:07.19 | chealer | streuner: not even, they're unofficial |
| 23:07.23 | Laibsch | angie: what CPU? |
| 23:07.29 | dpkg | esound: (Enlightened Sound Daemon - Support binaries), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.35-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 23:07.36 | Laibsch | angie: what speed recording? |
| 23:07.36 | resiak | Laibsch: ^^ |
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| 23:07.45 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 23:08.02 | Laibsch | resiak: thanks |
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| 23:08.23 | si|vercat | I'm not able to copy one large file from my CDRom without the copy freezing and then failing with an I/O-error at random positions, whats wrong? |
| 23:08.25 | resiak | Laibsch: No problem. |
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| 23:08.46 | streuner | chealer: scroll up, i said they are _FOR_ unstable, i didn't say they are _IN_ unstable |
| 23:08.55 | Laibsch | resiak: I had installed esound-common but apparently that did not install what I was looking for despite a esd.conf being present |
| 23:09.00 | solemnwarning | normally if i apt-get apache2 on a server i get the option to enable SUExec |
| 23:09.05 | Laibsch | resiak: I need esddsp. |
| 23:09.09 | angie | Laibsch: uhm... the processor applet (usage monitor) graph... and also the FIFO buffer and rec buffer get "under pressure" while the record process goes on |
| 23:09.09 | resiak | Laibsch: What exactly are you looking for? Ahhh. |
| 23:09.14 | solemnwarning | although it wasnt displayed this time |
| 23:09.20 | chealer | streuner: well, they're not for unstable more than experimental or testing AFAIK |
| 23:09.21 | solemnwarning | has any1 else had this problem? |
| 23:09.23 | streuner | chealer: we had this week somebody who installed those debs in sarge, the mess was perfect |
| 23:09.42 | chealer | streuner: no surprise, #debian-kde's topic always sucked |
| 23:09.51 | resiak | Laibsch: Then you need esound-clients |
| 23:09.57 | Laibsch | resiak: a forum on the skype site says I should get esddsp -d skype running, I want to try that out. |
| 23:10.05 | Laibsch | resiak: thanks a ton. |
| 23:10.07 | maher | solemnwarning: try dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
| 23:10.13 | resiak | Laibsch: ALSA! aoss! etc :) |
| 23:10.27 | angie | Laibsch: I read something about 2.6 kernel and cdrecord (ide-scsi emulation) but I can not fix this |
| 23:10.37 | vitriol | i've just installed grokking-the-gimp. how is it invoked? |
| 23:10.38 | streuner | chealer: then it isn't a suprise for you, if you point a newbie to #debian-kde with sarge that he prolly installs those debs? |
| 23:10.40 | resiak | koollman: Too many ls. |
| 23:10.40 | Laibsch | angie: what CPU? what recording speed. |
| 23:11.06 | chealer | streuner: hopefully, but I'll raise the issue again |
| 23:11.17 | Laibsch | resiak: sound itself is running fine. Just listening to some Japanese songs ATM. |
| 23:11.35 | resiak | Laibsch: As you do. Which, may I ask? |
| 23:11.48 | angie | Laibsch: CPU is a Celeron 500, and recording speed is 24x but with the same pc I did not have this problem until I upgraded kernel |
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| 23:12.17 | Laibsch | resiak: けつめいし |
| 23:12.25 | Laibsch | resiak ketsumeishi. |
| 23:12.26 | maher | angie: which kernel |
| 23:12.37 | resiak | Laibsch: *shrug* |
| 23:12.48 | resiak | Laibsch: You like the band Mono? |
| 23:13.16 | HellMind | maher i gotit |
| 23:13.20 | Laibsch | resiak: i have to admit I have never heard of them. Want to take this private so as not to flood the channel? |
| 23:13.59 | angie | maher: I'm sorry, I'm quite a newbie... how do I find the exact version of kernel I'm using.. .I think is 2.6 but I don't know the exact version |
| 23:14.11 | Laibsch | angie: uname -a |
| 23:14.31 | maher | angie: recetn kernels are kind of broken in some ways for cd writing - if the older kernel works use it |
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| 23:14.38 | HellMind | maher http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=4217 |
| 23:14.42 | angie | Linux 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:15.14 | streuner | !sid faq |
| 23:15.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 23:15.28 | angie | maher: do you know what is the most recent kernel that works with cdrecord? |
| 23:15.46 | streuner | angie: why did you install unstable? |
| 23:15.53 | bucky | angie is there a reason why you installed still in development (sid) ? |
| 23:15.56 | maher | angie: just use thelast one you had |
| 23:16.33 | bucky | angie if you don't know how to find out your kernel version you have little use for sid |
| 23:16.35 | HellMind | maher tryit http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=4217 |
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| 23:17.22 | angie | streuner: I'm using ubuntu... I know I'm not in the right channel but I'm a "normal user" and I can not understand how they can release a new kernel version with a cdrecord issue.... I think that mastering and backup is one of the most important use of a pc |
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| 23:17.46 | maher | angie: #ubuntu |
| 23:17.49 | streuner | !based on debian |
| 23:17.49 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:17.52 | stew | angie: #ubuntu |
| 23:18.08 | maher | HellMind: looks fine |
| 23:18.14 | HellMind | then why |
| 23:18.23 | HellMind | i should read logs? |
| 23:18.35 | nagarua | hi, i accidently deleted my volume group partition how can i restore it to get it working again? |
| 23:18.37 | angie | maher: I knew that... but I think it's not a good channel.. not good as #debian |
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| 23:18.44 | streuner | angie: How we can know the bugs in ubuntu or every other based on debian distro? |
| 23:18.44 | maher | HellMind: run lilo -v |
| 23:18.51 | k-dog | So, it appears that j2sdk1.4 from blackdown sources is what I want. |
| 23:18.57 | maher | HellMind: see if it says anything useful |
| 23:19.00 | k-dog | angie: #ubuntu. |
| 23:19.21 | streuner | angie: just install debian |
| 23:19.27 | HellMind | maher i cant boot from that disko |
| 23:19.27 | angie | streuner: I came here because I found some debian-lists forum entries about this cdrecord issues so I thought it was a generic debianproblem |
| 23:19.29 | streuner | angie: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 23:19.30 | k-dog | angie: Just FYI, this discussion starts to get old, but only after about the 1,000,003'd time. |
| 23:19.35 | HellMind | so i use a installdisk |
| 23:19.43 | HellMind | with expert26 option |
| 23:19.48 | k-dog | angie: Just FYI, we just hit 2,023,221. |
| 23:19.49 | maher | HellMind: did you chroot |
| 23:19.52 | HellMind | and i mount that hd and i do a chroot |
| 23:20.24 | streuner | angie: debian runs fine |
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| 23:20.39 | angie | I used debian before |
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| 23:20.55 | Dabian | angie: Then you lost your mind? |
| 23:21.08 | Dabian | :) |
| 23:21.16 | bucky | ubuntu is sexy |
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| 23:21.27 | HellMind | maher check this |
| 23:21.28 | HellMind | http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=4218 |
| 23:21.29 | bucky | debian boring ;( |
| 23:21.31 | streuner | angie: what do expected is better in ubuntu? |
| 23:21.36 | angie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:21.53 | Dabian | streuner : Ubuntu is nice, plug an play. |
| 23:21.56 | angie | streuner: installation for example... |
| 23:22.12 | bucky | Dabian, thats why cdrecord works |
| 23:22.15 | streuner | angie: the installer is based on debian ;-) |
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| 23:22.23 | streuner | based on d-i |
| 23:22.25 | streuner | !d-i |
| 23:22.26 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 23:22.41 | angie | streuner: I really loved debian but I think both debian and ubuntu still have steps to do to reach "normal" people using computers |
| 23:22.54 | Dabian | bucky : I think cdrecord is one of the things that wont work right away with Ubuntu. |
| 23:22.59 | FieldySnuts | if it reaches that stage, off i go to use something else... |
| 23:23.18 | angie | but I'll probably go back to debian |
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| 23:24.10 | angie | but I thought that a basic thing like burning cds would have been supported withouth needs of tweakings |
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| 23:24.39 | HellMind | .. http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=4218 |
| 23:24.41 | Dabian | angie : Well, its probably only minor tweaking. |
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| 23:24.46 | angie | streuner: so how does the Debian community feel about Ubuntu? |
| 23:25.01 | Dabian | angie: Of course .. who knows what tweakign it is? |
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| 23:25.02 | k-dog | !ops angie |
| 23:25.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: angie |
| 23:25.07 | k-dog | angie: Troll elsewhere. |
| 23:25.14 | Dabian | ,g tweak burn cd ubuntu |
| 23:25.24 | Dabian | k-dog : be nice |
| 23:25.44 | resiak | k-dog: Don't abuse Ops. |
| 23:25.47 | Dabian | k-dog : Just because you're ticked that you cannot get java plugin working, is no reason to pick on other guests. |
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| 23:26.20 | Dabian | k-dog : Don't worrry .. We'll fix your plugin in time. :) |
| 23:26.35 | angie | I din not want to be agressive... thanks to moderators :-) |
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| 23:27.16 | k-dog | Dabian: it's not that it's not possible, it's that it's a god damned pain in the ass. |
| 23:27.27 | maher | HellMind: so you have two discs - when you boot is lilo running off a or b? |
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| 23:27.36 | Dabian | k-dog : I can tell you what I do. |
| 23:27.37 | k-dog | Dabian: ...now the damned tux.org FTP server's rejecting my connections.... Insult, injury, and all that. |
| 23:27.41 | mentor | k-dog: angie doesn't really seem to be causing much trouble... |
| 23:28.06 | mentor | angie: You are fairly free to voice your opinions here...but mostly, people will ignore them ;) |
| 23:28.07 | maher | k-dog: when the free java's are good enough to replace sun/ibm's java then everythign will just work (tm) |
| 23:28.07 | streuner | mentor: well, the discussion is started from him/her... |
| 23:28.16 | k-dog | mentor: Persisting in OT discussions after repeatedly being told by multiple individuals what is and isn't on topic.... |
| 23:28.25 | streuner | mentor: we told her/him several times to join ubuntu |
| 23:28.31 | angie | Dabian: so my problem is not present in debian.... just in ubuntu |
| 23:28.36 | k-dog | maher: I'm installing Blackdown's moderately free Java... |
| 23:28.36 | streuner | mentor: without success |
| 23:28.37 | maher | k-dog: why don't you use java-package to install java |
| 23:28.44 | mentor | ah... |
| 23:28.45 | k-dog | maher: Who says I'm not? |
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| 23:28.54 | sparr_ | I am trying to write some code for an X application, but I cannot find any documentation on the C data type "Window". Help? |
| 23:28.56 | Dabian | k-dog : I download the darn jre 1.5 from sun (actually the jdk, but same deal), then I unpack in /usr/local, and I ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_03/jre/..plugin .. blabla/javaplugin.so ~/.wheremyplugins are. |
| 23:29.09 | angie | may I post a link here? |
| 23:29.11 | maher | k-dog: well its been half an hour - i thought you would have managed to run the make-jpkg command by now... |
| 23:29.12 | mentor | angie: Yes, #ubuntu is the correct place to ask question sabout ubuntu rather than here... |
| 23:29.29 | streuner | mentor: k-dog did the right thing, because those senseless discussions would end in trouble... |
| 23:29.33 | k-dog | maher: Who says I haven't. |
| 23:29.33 | maher | k-dog: :) |
| 23:29.38 | angie | mentor: http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/2004/07/msg00021.html it seems there are similar problems in debian |
| 23:29.43 | maher | k-dog: so what's wrong? |
| 23:29.48 | k-dog | maher: ftp://ftp.tux.org unstable/non-free j2sdk1.4 1.4.2.01-1 [ERROR] |
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| 23:29.53 | k-dog | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.53 | HellMind | maher just hdb |
| 23:29.55 | HellMind | http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=4218 |
| 23:29.57 | HellMind | there is |
| 23:30.00 | k-dog | maher: aptitude. |
| 23:30.03 | HellMind | 1 hd |
| 23:30.18 | k-dog | cmdline FTP: 530 Only 1 connection from your host allowed |
| 23:30.31 | twobitsprite | why is there no mplayer package? |
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| 23:30.33 | maher | HellMind: why is it hdb not hda |
| 23:30.35 | twobitsprite | in apt, that is.. |
| 23:30.35 | mentor | angie: yes... |
| 23:30.40 | Dabian | k-dog : If you going unfree java nayhow .. why not down the newest stable java from sun? |
| 23:30.45 | streuner | twobitsprite: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 23:30.51 | HellMind | cuz is in the second ide dunno |
| 23:30.55 | angie | mentor: :-) |
| 23:30.59 | vilim | does anyone in here use irate radio? |
| 23:31.13 | aardvark | !anyone yuse |
| 23:31.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, capiche? You don't mess with the family. |
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| 23:31.26 | angie | mentor: ir's why I came here... i don't like the #ubuntu channel |
| 23:31.43 | aardvark | don't use ubuntu then :-| |
| 23:31.56 | mentor | angie: Well...that doesn't make it the correct palce to ask ubuntu questions... |
| 23:32.00 | k-dog | Dabian: Because 1) sun sucks dick and 2) I don't to random scripted installer crap. |
| 23:32.04 | maher | HellMind: ok - i dunno |
| 23:32.13 | HellMind | damn |
| 23:32.14 | HellMind | man |
| 23:32.15 | HellMind | why |
| 23:32.26 | FieldySnuts | frigging mplayer, playing a dvd i just purchased in spanish or somehting |
| 23:32.38 | Dabian | k-dog : In essense, you don't trust sun. :) |
| 23:32.48 | twobitsprite | streuner: they can't even put it in non-free? |
| 23:32.49 | angie | mentor: oh my god... I'm asking this question here because it seems that somone using debian was having the same problem... and it seems that tyhis problem exists... |
| 23:32.50 | Dabian | FieldySnuts : Right on. |
| 23:33.03 | angie | aardvark: thanks :-) |
| 23:33.04 | streuner | twobitsprite: read the factoid |
| 23:33.08 | maher | HellMind: should boot=/dev/hdb |
| 23:33.09 | FieldySnuts | i'd use xine but xine's full screen is my full resolution, 2048x1536. i view 1600x1200 at a time. mplayer only uses the later. anyone now how to get xine to do fullscreen as the later? |
| 23:33.10 | Laibsch | angie: Still here? What do you expect? |
| 23:33.23 | maher | twobitsprite: its going into main at some point |
| 23:33.26 | mentor | Laibsch: back off. |
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| 23:33.47 | maher | twobitsprite: someone is working on it - read the debian-devel mailing list archive for more details |
| 23:33.54 | steve | how do I forward between subnets? (each subnet is on a different NIC) |
| 23:33.57 | streuner | maher: well, you have an idea how to get those codecs into main? |
| 23:34.00 | Laibsch | mentor: Is it you who runs the channel? Do you pay for it? |
| 23:34.12 | maher | streuner: the codecs will never be in main |
| 23:34.12 | FieldySnuts | @troll Laibsch |
| 23:34.19 | Laibsch | mentor: I told angie to go look elsewhere |
| 23:34.23 | mentor | Laibsch: Well, I try my best with the other ops... |
| 23:34.24 | angie | Laibsch: i tell you again I thought it was a generic debian issue (and the posts in lists.debian.org tell me that it is) |
| 23:34.38 | angie | I thought there was some tweakings to do |
| 23:34.41 | k-dog | Dabian: That's one way of putting it. |
| 23:34.52 | Dabian | angie : There is a problem |
| 23:34.57 | Laibsch | Well, maybe that is why this channel does sometimes have a bad rep. |
| 23:35.02 | Laibsch | bye. |
| 23:35.06 | FieldySnuts | heh i switched languages in mplayer using gmplayer, it started the movie over, threw a horrible POP In my speakers, blowing one of them. what a whore. |
| 23:35.38 | aardvark | in soviet russia, speakers blow you |
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| 23:36.18 | maher | angie: if your previous kernel worked why not use it |
| 23:36.19 | exerd | do debian use .xinitrc ? Because i dont have one. |
| 23:36.20 | aFlag | that's why i always use english |
| 23:36.20 | k-dog | Dabian: Trying metalab mirror.... |
| 23:36.38 | HellMind | debian fuked me |
| 23:36.38 | twobitsprite | if I d/l the sarge .deb for mplayer (as linked to from the FAQtoid) will it work with my sid installation? |
| 23:36.49 | Dabian | k-dog : I use suns. I guess the guy who packaged java for you did the same. ;-) |
| 23:36.53 | mentor | angie: OK, well, you won't necessairly find help wiht Ubunutu here. /I/ think the generic question is OK. |
| 23:36.53 | twobitsprite | HellMind: was it good? |
| 23:37.06 | maher | twobitsprite: most probably - marillat has unstable sources too afaik |
| 23:37.10 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Wench. |
| 23:37.15 | twobitsprite | maher: thanks |
| 23:37.17 | Anders1 | maher: yes they do, i use them |
| 23:37.23 | mentor | Also, I think if the ramblings and slight non-sequitorial nature turns into fights...then both sides of the fight have a problem. |
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| 23:37.49 | angie | mentor: so, if you never heard of this problem in debian just tell me: I never heard of this problem in debian |
| 23:38.12 | Dabian | angie : Ubuntu is like a curse in here .. we're jealux of the good things about ubuntu, and we hate that we cannot switch to ubuntu, because of what it lacks. .. so using the ubuntu word in here, is probably a doubtful tactic. |
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| 23:38.26 | mentor | angie: I wasn't here to answer your question...I was responding to the ops calls. |
| 23:38.26 | maher | Dabian++ |
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| 23:38.40 | Phated | And yet you used it FOUR TIMES in the same sentence, Dabian. |
| 23:39.12 | Eclipser | if I do `cat *.cc | grep sometext` how can I find which file has that text? |
| 23:39.27 | Dabian | Phated : Well, I doubt that really surprises you, considering your general perception of me. |
| 23:39.33 | maher | Eclipser: do grep -Rl instead |
| 23:39.44 | twobitsprite | bleh... the pre7 mplayer deb seems to be in dependancy hell right now |
| 23:39.51 | Phated | Dabian: I wasn't aware I had a general perception of you. Do tell. |
| 23:40.00 | k-dog | Dabian: I've used Sun in the past. I know people who do/have worked at Sun. Doesn't mean the company isn't now fully brain dead and should have its feeding tube disconnected. |
| 23:40.02 | angie | Dabian: thank you... I was using debian too... I was just trying ubuntu for having something reasy to install to friends and other people skpetical about linux... I'm disappointed by ubuntu but i think it's going in the right direction... linux should reach the average user... not only computer experts |
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| 23:40.36 | k-dog | Dabian: How many n00bs do you suppose run into the same frustrations with Java installation. It's sufficient that OO.o is being reconsidered WRT its package status w/in Debian. |
| 23:40.50 | Dabian | angie : I agree with you ... Ubuntu is very very nice. The cd thing is the only "D'oh" that I know of. |
| 23:40.54 | k-dog | angie: Have a nice day. Be seeing you. #ubuntu is =======> |
| 23:40.59 | k-dog | angie: that way. |
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| 23:41.19 | mentor | k-dog: I think we've resolved most of the issues here already... |
| 23:41.26 | Eclipser | maher, thanks |
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| 23:41.42 | Dabian | angie : CD burning is generally a problem .. because you either use ide-cd or emulate scsi .. both ways seems to lead to trouble. |
| 23:41.56 | k-dog | mentor: WRT ... ? |
| 23:42.00 | calljair | guys I have a IBM laptop R51, and when I run the commands shutdown -h now or halt the computer at the end do not turn off completely, keeps the centrino minipci on and the fan. |
| 23:42.03 | angie | Dabian: so I should buy a SCSI cd writer? |
| 23:42.04 | mentor | k-dog: angie and ubuntu. |
| 23:42.12 | k-dog | Dabian: ide-scsi's no problem here. |
| 23:42.17 | calljair | I already install acpi, but I do not think is working good? |
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| 23:42.31 | mentor | k-dog: If it continues to be a problem, you cna call again...otherwise, I suggest you don't antogonise... |
| 23:42.40 | mentor | antagonise? |
| 23:42.43 | mentor | meh |
| 23:42.48 | cureless | calljair: install acpi, latest kernel if you have to |
| 23:43.06 | Dabian | angie : Not really .. for 5-10 years ago, I would have said "Yes" .. but you would need a nice SCSI controller also, etc. etc. No . its better to either do ide-scsi or ide-cd |
| 23:43.10 | cureless | calljair: I have a T42 and I needed 2.6.11 |
| 23:43.14 | streuner | mentor: s(he) said running debian for several years and didn't know even how to use (uname -a) - in short i believe her/him no word |
| 23:43.22 | twobitsprite | klergunailvuabwerilvuabrg I'm going crazy trying to get this damn video to play! |
| 23:43.33 | Dabian | angie : Have you asked in Ubuntu? |
| 23:43.37 | twobitsprite | I just want to watch my video! |
| 23:44.01 | angie | Dabian: yes... i did not find ubutnu channel very useful |
| 23:44.04 | Eclipser | I can't believe how so many open source c++ developers have sooooo bad coding style |
| 23:44.12 | Eclipser | it's giving me a headache |
| 23:44.31 | mentor | streuner: Yes...I'm not saying I'm not wrong here... |
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| 23:44.33 | twobitsprite | is anyone else having problems with Xine on a Dell Inspiron?? |
| 23:44.34 | cureless | angie: do you have a problem with an cd writer? |
| 23:44.41 | angie | streuner: I don't think your attitude will help to spread linux and open source approach... |
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| 23:44.48 | mentor | streuner: Thank you for the info... |
| 23:44.57 | angie | cureless: yes... but it seems i'm in the wrong channel :-) |
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| 23:45.16 | Eclipser | this one project uses wxWindows, which is of course a C++ framework... but that's about it, everything else is more like C |
| 23:45.25 | Phated | mentor: "provoke", perhaps, is easier to spell while reprimanding a netizen. :) |
| 23:45.33 | Dabian | angie : Don't let them get to you .. when you do a lot of support on a channel, you start seeing ghosts, and get a short fuse. |
| 23:45.37 | mentor | Phated: heh... |
| 23:45.50 | Phated | mentor: :) |
| 23:46.08 | angie | Dabian: I know... but RTFM is never a good way to encopurage people |
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| 23:46.34 | Phated | Oh, can't you just drop it already? |
| 23:46.36 | Dabian | angie : Well, I don't think you should never say never .. but its seldom very encuraging. |
| 23:46.47 | bucky | angie, are you a girl? |
| 23:46.51 | angie | Dabian: haha I agree... |
| 23:47.07 | angie | bucky: no matter who I am... I'm in the wrong place |
| 23:47.12 | bucky | lol |
| 23:47.32 | bucky | i was going to offer to rtfm to you |
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| 23:48.26 | mentor | angie: Note, of course, that not reading documentation that has been written to help you would seem offensive to those who have written it, and to those who are going to have to answer your questions anyway... |
| 23:48.33 | calljair | cureless, will not mess the centrino mini pci ipw2100 that I install already? |
| 23:48.38 | schlomo | hi |
| 23:48.50 | schlomo | does somebody arrives to get his wifi card worky ? |
| 23:48.52 | calljair | cureless, I am using sarge |
| 23:48.58 | calljair | RC3 |
| 23:49.08 | schlomo | I have an Intel® PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 23:49.23 | calljair | guys I have a IBM laptop R51, and when I run the commands shutdown -h now or halt the computer at the end do not turn off completely, keeps the centrino minipci on and the fan. Anyone have a suggestion or something like this happend to you? |
| 23:49.31 | schlomo | my /etc/network/interfaces is here : http://rafb.net/paste/results/mYh1BX88.html |
| 23:49.35 | calljair | schlomo, of course |
| 23:49.37 | angie | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.38 | k-dog | OK, now the !@#$%^&*() blackdown packages fail... |
| 23:49.40 | calljair | I am rinning it now |
| 23:49.54 | schlomo | the problem is when I launch dhclient eth1 is not working :( |
| 23:49.55 | calljair | schlomo, I am running it now |
| 23:50.00 | mentor | k-dog: Java. 'nuff said. |
| 23:50.07 | angie | it would have been great to have Daniel Robbins working for debian |
| 23:50.24 | schlomo | calljair : you are using only ipw2200 from the kernel ? |
| 23:50.27 | Dabian | k-dog : You're quite lucky tonight ... If you get fustrated enough, you probably end up downloading from sun. ;-) |
| 23:50.29 | bucky | angie, Daniel Robbins quit gentoo |
| 23:50.35 | bucky | his own project |
| 23:50.44 | angie | i think debian is the best solution around but it lacks some user friendly |
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| 23:50.56 | calljair | excec infobash |
| 23:50.56 | mentor | angie: I was not neccessarily referring to man or info pages, but they can never-the-less help if you know what command to use to do something but not how to invoke it... |
| 23:51.03 | angie | bucky: when he wrote that he was in gentoo |
| 23:51.04 | verbose | hello, i have an hcl question |
| 23:51.06 | Dabian | angie : Not really, its just this channel. |
| 23:51.08 | ix | debian lacks user friendly users |
| 23:51.09 | ix | :) |
| 23:51.19 | stew | ix: fuck you |
| 23:51.21 | stew | :P |
| 23:51.32 | ix | see what I mean? :) |
| 23:51.33 | verbose | i recently bought the wd800jd and i/oflex sata controller |
| 23:51.35 | verbose | ... |
| 23:51.40 | n0dez | lol |
| 23:51.45 | bucky | angie, debian has a ton of good documentation but few people bother finding it on debian.org |
| 23:51.45 | caphuso | ix: heh |
| 23:51.53 | Dabian | angie : There are a few people that will flame you .. and then some that goes along. I don't think we can change the way they are in any easy way, so its better to ignore their flames. |
| 23:52.06 | verbose | the sata controller says it is compatible with linux and does not specify which distros so i'm assuming blanket |
| 23:52.07 | calljair | cureless, will that mess my configuration? |
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| 23:52.29 | verbose | but the debian floppies don't detect the hd |
| 23:52.36 | verbose | it would be sda* |
| 23:52.36 | dondelelcaro | verbose: presumably that means that the driver is in the kernel. Which debian floppies? |
| 23:52.39 | angie | Dabian: anyway i did not want to start a flame here... I was disappointed by the usual nerds... and sad for seeing an important issue like burning cds having problems... you were very kind thank you |
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| 23:52.45 | verbose | vanila |
| 23:53.06 | verbose | drivers 1-4 |
| 23:53.28 | dondelelcaro | angie: burning CDs works with most kernels. If it doesn't, file a bug against the appropriate package. |
| 23:53.39 | verbose | it only detects hda1 and 2 |
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| 23:54.00 | dondelelcaro | verbose: is this woody? or sarge? |
| 23:54.07 | verbose | woody |
| 23:54.15 | streuner | dondelelcaro: that wouldn't work for him/her in debian... |
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| 23:54.24 | bucky | angie, apparently only ubuntu is having the problem with the cdrom... so how can we help you if we don't know what the problem is |
| 23:54.26 | dondelelcaro | verbose: woody probably won't support it unless you build a custom kernel. |
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| 23:54.45 | verbose | oh dear... i should download sarge i take it then |
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| 23:54.57 | dondelelcaro | verbose: well, it depends what you're doing. Is this going to be a production machine? |
| 23:55.04 | verbose | no |
| 23:55.06 | dondelelcaro | actually, scratch that. Yes, use sarge. |
| 23:55.13 | verbose | i'm relatively new to linux |
| 23:55.18 | verbose | oh |
| 23:55.24 | verbose | ok |
| 23:55.26 | bucky | sid is not for beginners |
| 23:55.27 | Mcasado | alow! Kual comando para ver o status do disco ?? tamanho espao libre |
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| 23:55.54 | n0dez | Mcasado, df -h |
| 23:55.56 | dondelelcaro | Mcasado: df -h? |
| 23:55.58 | cafuego | !portuguese |
| 23:55.58 | dpkg | well, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:55.59 | verbose | i anything primarily different between woody and sarge aside from frequency of updates? |
| 23:56.02 | Dabian | angie : Well .. I am glad. |
| 23:56.05 | Mcasado | n0dez: valeu! |
| 23:56.14 | Dabian | angie : There is something you should note also .. |
| 23:56.29 | n0dez | :) |
| 23:56.43 | angie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:57.00 | angie | Dabian: yes please |
| 23:57.01 | Dabian | angie : Native english speakers, who know little other languages ... they tend to get easy upset .. try to ignore the people who flame you, and be happy for those that help you. :) |
| 23:57.02 | verbose | so, you're pretty confident the new harddrive will be detected using sarge installer |
| 23:57.26 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Discos are -very- important! |
| 23:57.35 | dondelelcaro | verbose: if it's supported by 2.6.8, it will be. |
| 23:57.44 | dondelelcaro | verbose: you may need to use the linux26 option |
| 23:57.50 | bucky | angie, It is a kernel bug in 2.4, and from what I found at that time through Google, it has something to do with sector sizes, and the Linux developers are not interested in fixing this serious bug. |
| 23:57.51 | Dabian | angie : They find it very hard to understand us, so they misunderstand us instead, and get annoyed. |
| 23:57.52 | verbose | ? |
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| 23:57.55 | bucky | there's your answer |
| 23:57.59 | verbose | sorry? |
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| 23:58.08 | Phated | cafuego: Oy, what's wrong with the BeeGees? |
| 23:58.14 | verbose | is there any way i can check to see if it is compatible? |
| 23:58.15 | cafuego | Phated: What's not? |
| 23:58.15 | angie | Dabian: american people should aprreciate people who communicate in a language different from their mother tongue... it seems english it's the only language you know... people from other nations speak at least two languages |
| 23:58.23 | Dabian | bucky : Eh? A serious bug that the Linux developers find they better leave unfixed? |
| 23:58.30 | Phated | cafuego: No idea, never bothered to listen. |
| 23:58.31 | dondelelcaro | verbose: get a netinst cd (it's only 100M or so) and boot the machine... |
| 23:58.41 | cafuego | Phated: As someone who was actually alive (and sentient) during the 80s - they should NOT be allowed back. |
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| 23:58.47 | verbose | what will this accomplish? |
| 23:58.48 | bucky | Dabian, that's what that link he/she gaveme |
| 23:58.49 | dondelelcaro | angie: that's a serious overgeneralization. |
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| 23:58.54 | Phated | cafuego: I WAS ALIVE DURING THE 80s. |
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| 23:59.02 | cafuego | Phated: Note the brackets |
| 23:59.07 | maher | dondelelcaro: so i upgraded my stable box to sarge - but I was too stupid to be able to do it using aptitude, worked fine with dselect |
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| 23:59.13 | bucky | dondelelcaro, it's a ubuntu problem |
| 23:59.16 | angie | anyway... a teenager american nerd it's the worse I could expect :-) |
| 23:59.18 | shakparl | that's only generalizing for 300 million people no big deal |
| 23:59.22 | Phated | cafuego: I WAS SENTIENT! I was a very precocious child, thank you. |
| 23:59.26 | dondelelcaro | bucky: and you're telling me this why? |
| 23:59.28 | c01100011 | is there a way to create a "guest" acount,or just null the password for an acount ? |
| 23:59.30 | angie | dondelelcaro: where are you from? |
| 23:59.39 | Dabian | angie : Well .. it helps when you understand why they get upset. ;-) |
| 23:59.42 | maher | dondelelcaro: when you do aptitude -f dist-upgrade do you really need --with-recommens --with-suggests? |
| 23:59.46 | FieldySnuts | his mother |
| 23:59.47 | cafuego | Phated: Sorry, but I define sentient as "able to do mathematics" ;-) |
| 23:59.49 | Phated | angie: It's not as though all or even most people here are "teenager american nerd"s. |
| 23:59.49 | dondelelcaro | angie: a little known planet in the vicinity of betelguese. |
| 23:59.55 | verbose | should i download all 15 sarge iso's? argh |
| 23:59.57 | Phated | cafuego: 1+1=2 IS math! |
| 23:59.59 | bucky | dondelelcaro, because angie is running ubuntu.. unless you want to entertain that fine |
