| 00:00.08 | firefly2442 | devserve: under ifconfig it says Link Encap: UNSPEC, is that bad? |
| 00:00.15 | firefly2442 | ifconfig works |
| 00:00.36 | firefly2442 | UNSPEC, like unspecified? |
| 00:00.43 | devserve | but I asked you a more specific question than the one you answered :) |
| 00:00.52 | devserve | please reread and respond :) |
| 00:01.28 | firefly2442 | a paragraph |
| 00:01.34 | firefly2442 | my IP, broadcast, etc |
| 00:01.44 | devserve | ok :) so we know that's up |
| 00:01.51 | firefly2442 | yep |
| 00:01.57 | devserve | what netmask? |
| 00:02.13 | nse | where I can find support information about magnet protocol? My browser does not support it. is it a browser's matter or anything else? |
| 00:02.17 | devserve | hmm, as long as this is internal, the ip and netmask too |
| 00:02.38 | firefly2442 | 255.255.255.0 |
| 00:02.44 | firefly2442 | ip 192.168.0.36 |
| 00:03.06 | firefly2442 | it's static |
| 00:03.37 | devserve | well this doesn't seem to be a dns problem after all... we';re not to that point |
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| 00:03.53 | shimano55 | Question, Is it possible to make a non-root user have root user privledges |
| 00:03.54 | shimano55 | ? |
| 00:04.04 | shingouz | shimano55: sudo? |
| 00:04.28 | devserve | shimano55: yes... you can do that... not a good idea but you can |
| 00:04.42 | resiak | shimano55: Answer, What exactly do you want to do? |
| 00:05.08 | firefly2442 | devserve: /etc/network/interfaces looks good |
| 00:05.50 | devserve | ok, try ifdown eth0 <enter> ifup eth0 <enter> |
| 00:06.06 | shimano55 | resiak, I want my user (shimano55) to be able to read, write, and execute all the files without having to chmod all of em... |
| 00:06.15 | resiak | shimano55: No, you _really_ don't. |
| 00:06.35 | devserve | shimano55: can't execute non-+x files not even root can |
| 00:06.35 | resiak | shimano55: Why on _earth_ would you want that? The fact that you can't run things without explicitly becoming root is a feature. |
| 00:06.38 | shimano55 | ok :) |
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| 00:06.50 | firefly2442 | devserve: works fine, no errors, but ping still doesn't work... |
| 00:07.02 | shimano55 | ok than |
| 00:07.46 | systemadmin | anyone know a good software package to map networks? |
| 00:07.47 | devserve | firefly2442: could you put your interfaces file on rafb.net/paste? |
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| 00:08.12 | firefly2442 | sure, this'll take a second |
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| 00:09.22 | abrotman | map like discover or diagram ? |
| 00:09.33 | systemadmin | diagram |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | dia |
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| 00:09.52 | systemadmin | dia? |
| 00:10.17 | abrotman | !dia |
| 00:10.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, dia is a diagram tool located at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/, or (as DIA) Defense Intelligence Agency. |
| 00:10.21 | abrotman | it's a program .. |
| 00:10.24 | abrotman | apt-cache show dia |
| 00:10.39 | FieldySnuts | dpkg -i badgerwangtek |
| 00:11.04 | firefly2442 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/nUJRSO44.html |
| 00:11.26 | nse | Hello everybody, I'm using a web GUI for the adagio gnutella2 daemon, but it requests a protocol called 'magnet' and "Is not registered" is what my browser says, what I can do to go around this problem? |
| 00:11.41 | devserve | eth1? |
| 00:11.51 | devserve | do you have two nics in this machine? |
| 00:11.53 | firefly2442 | devserve: yeah, I had another card but I took it out |
| 00:12.12 | devserve | ok, try this: ifconfig eth1 |
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| 00:12.22 | devserve | error message or paragraph? |
| 00:12.29 | abrotman | dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 00:12.40 | firefly2442 | paragraph |
| 00:12.54 | devserve | so you have -two- nics installed right now? |
| 00:13.00 | firefly2442 | no, just one |
| 00:13.28 | devserve | did you run this exactly: "ifconfig eth1" |
| 00:13.31 | firefly2442 | yes |
| 00:13.36 | devserve | wow |
| 00:13.47 | devserve | ok, is the paragraph about eth1? |
| 00:14.18 | abrotman | dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 00:14.18 | devserve | mabye better do abrotman's too |
| 00:14.19 | abrotman | not maybe |
| 00:14.23 | devserve | cause now it's just unusual and weird |
| 00:14.32 | abrotman | if he removed the other nic . he could be trying to configure eth1 .. which may not exist |
| 00:14.42 | devserve | that's what I'm thinking too |
| 00:15.09 | firefly2442 | I tried dmesg | grep -i eth it says... |
| 00:15.14 | firefly2442 | forcedeth.c |
| 00:15.19 | firefly2442 | eth0: forcedeth.c |
| 00:15.29 | devserve | hopefully he didn't pull the card while powered up |
| 00:15.35 | firefly2442 | ip1394 eth1 IEEE IPv4 over 1394 ethernet |
| 00:15.37 | firefly2442 | no no :) |
| 00:15.54 | devserve | ohh, eth1 is a firewire interface? |
| 00:16.03 | firefly2442 | I had two cards, installed debian, then had problems because it was a netinstall, took one out, and it seemed to work... |
| 00:16.17 | firefly2442 | no that's the weird thing.... |
| 00:16.21 | firefly2442 | it's ethernet |
| 00:16.29 | devserve | ok, here's what I want you to try |
| 00:16.44 | devserve | line 4 of interfaces, change that to eth0 |
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| 00:16.48 | devserve | same with line 5 |
| 00:16.55 | devserve | indent lines 6-9 |
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| 00:17.09 | anacaona | dammit. these children. |
| 00:17.12 | devserve | oh wait |
| 00:17.20 | anacaona | sorry, if i wasn't paying attention. |
| 00:17.36 | firefly2442 | devserve: so just change all eth1 to eth0 and see if it gets recognized? |
| 00:17.41 | anacaona | i had asked a question about resolv.conf |
| 00:17.57 | abrotman | and? |
| 00:17.57 | devserve | hold on before you do that... ifdown eth1 first |
| 00:18.05 | abrotman | he doesn't have to |
| 00:18.08 | zahod | anacaona, man interfaces |
| 00:18.09 | anacaona | why does it keep getting overwritten |
| 00:18.16 | abrotman | he change the file ... /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:18.17 | anacaona | when i reboot |
| 00:18.20 | abrotman | anacaona: ppp ? |
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| 00:18.26 | anacaona | naw, dhcp |
| 00:18.32 | devserve | btw, is this ALL of your interfaces file? |
| 00:18.36 | abrotman | anacaona: then your dhcp client is overwriting it |
| 00:18.47 | anacaona | aah. how do i get it to stop. |
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| 00:18.59 | abrotman | read the man page for your dhcp client |
| 00:19.09 | firefly2442 | devserve: yes, all of it |
| 00:19.30 | devserve | firefly2442: ok. before you change anything, ifdown eth1 |
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| 00:20.19 | devserve | then make the changes |
| 00:20.35 | devserve | then try ifup eht0 |
| 00:20.37 | devserve | err |
| 00:20.42 | devserve | then try ifup eth0 |
| 00:20.44 | firefly2442 | devserve: shoot, now I have eth1 and eth0 up, can't get it down |
| 00:20.45 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:20.54 | firefly2442 | devserve: lemme try a restart |
| 00:20.57 | devserve | yeah do taht |
| 00:21.00 | abrotman | god .. listen to me |
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| 00:21.03 | abrotman | holy crap |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | i should go to church |
| 00:21.13 | shimano55 | Question, If I Mark Wine for installation in Synaptic, and also mark all the packages it's dependant on, do I have to do anything else for it to be fully installed, or is that it? |
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| 00:21.17 | devserve | firefly2442: you don't need to restart your machine |
| 00:21.26 | devserve | just do what abrotman said |
| 00:21.33 | cafuego | shimano55: it will automagically install all stuff it's dependent on. |
| 00:21.46 | abrotman | shimano55: you don't have to mark its dependencies .. that's how apt works |
| 00:21.47 | rectum | I finally settled on using just plain 'x-terminal' which includes the option of turning off bold fonts, I still can't figure out how to disable bold fonts in xterm. for some reason my .Xresources is not being read because I have quite a few options specified there, but they are not being read. I start X with 'startxfce4' |
| 00:22.15 | shimano55 | cafuego & abrotman, Ok..thanks |
| 00:22.18 | nse | Hello everybody, I'm using a web GUI for the adagio gnutella2 daemon, but it requests a protocol called 'magnet' and "Is not registered" is what my browser says, what I can do to go around this problem? |
| 00:22.19 | abrotman | why are you still using that stupid nick? |
| 00:22.23 | firefly2442 | it works! |
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| 00:22.27 | abrotman | duh |
| 00:22.31 | firefly2442 | wow, that's so strange |
| 00:22.36 | firefly2442 | it's been working fine for months |
| 00:22.45 | cafuego | nse: disown your brother |
| 00:22.51 | firefly2442 | then suddenly I just have to change it....? |
| 00:22.55 | firefly2442 | weird |
| 00:23.07 | devserve | firefly2442: there ya go... so here's what happened to you... when you removed eth0, eth1 became eth0 |
| 00:23.15 | rectum | abrotman: get over it will ya, its just a fucking nick |
| 00:23.24 | firefly2442 | wow, thank you very much |
| 00:23.46 | abrotman | rectum: right .. so change it |
| 00:23.46 | devserve | rectum: not literally I hope |
| 00:23.50 | rectum | abrotman: im not the one who has a problem with it, you do |
| 00:23.54 | firefly2442 | I was really worried |
| 00:23.59 | abrotman | cafuego: i ate them all! |
| 00:24.06 | abrotman | rectum: iirc .. i wasn't the only one |
| 00:24.15 | cafuego | abrotman: /ignore is your friend. |
| 00:24.20 | rectum | well either way, its still a personal problem |
| 00:24.24 | abrotman | cafuego: i have no friends |
| 00:24.33 | nse | cafuego: what? |
| 00:24.36 | rectum | yeh, that we can tell |
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| 00:24.56 | abrotman | your name is rectum .. and I have a personal problem? :) |
| 00:25.00 | cafuego | rectum would be your friend, if only you let it... |
| 00:25.00 | firefly2442 | well, thank you very much, off to get my files :) |
| 00:25.02 | rectum | dude its just a nick |
| 00:25.03 | rectum | let it go |
| 00:25.07 | abrotman | so change it :) |
| 00:25.08 | CuBie | hey, anybody know where the named database is stored? |
| 00:25.13 | rectum | so ignore me |
| 00:25.20 | bob2 | it is pretty moronic |
| 00:25.22 | devserve | personally, I think that seems like a problem :) |
| 00:25.24 | abrotman | CuBie: /etc/bind ? |
| 00:25.37 | cafuego | it's no worse than say STAWLKER |
| 00:26.02 | abrotman | idiot |
| 00:26.06 | shingouz | jfc |
| 00:26.12 | cafuego | sphinxter: 'c', not 'x' dude. |
| 00:26.24 | abrotman | noone accused him of being smart :) |
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| 00:26.29 | sphinkster | cafuego: can you say DUH |
| 00:26.35 | cafuego | sphinkster: DUH |
| 00:26.39 | cafuego | sphinkster: yes, I can. |
| 00:26.45 | shingouz | abrotman: Painfully true. A real pain in the butt ;) |
| 00:26.47 | sphinkster | maybe you people should find something better to do |
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| 00:26.55 | CuBie | thanks :) |
| 00:27.02 | CuBie | abrotman |
| 00:27.04 | rectum | than down on people because of thier nicks |
| 00:27.08 | abrotman | then |
| 00:27.16 | rectum | im done with chanign of the nickname conversation |
| 00:27.16 | abrotman | oh than |
| 00:27.18 | cafuego | rectum/abrotman: if you two both ignored eachother, it would all be fine. |
| 00:27.20 | abrotman | still doesn't manke sense |
| 00:27.23 | shingouz | devserve: :D |
| 00:28.04 | rectum | cafuego: i could ignore, but i have no problems with the dude, he apparantly has one with me, whoever has a problem, should solve it |
| 00:28.10 | rectum | pretty reasonable don't you think |
| 00:28.23 | devserve | I mean really, when you talk out your ass, that just stinks, yaknow? |
| 00:28.31 | rectum | lol |
| 00:28.36 | abrotman | rectum: i don't have a problem with you .. just your nick :) |
| 00:28.39 | cafuego | rectum: To a certain point yes. Constantly rising to his baiting gets annoying too, though. just be done with it. |
| 00:28.46 | rectum | im done |
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| 00:28.59 | rectum | I been done, tell your boy something there |
| 00:29.02 | devserve | abrotman: what can ya say... he's a butthead... |
| 00:29.06 | abrotman | i see |
| 00:29.18 | cafuego | fuck it, /me ignores both of you |
| 00:29.22 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:29.56 | devserve | ignore meee tooo! I'm gonna joke around about it for awhile longer :) |
| 00:30.08 | cafuego | Oh wow, my script works! :-) |
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| 00:30.14 | abrotman | your script ? |
| 00:30.14 | devserve | he'll be the butt of my jokes :) |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | oh duh |
| 00:30.18 | rectum | lol |
| 00:30.32 | rectum | but hey |
| 00:30.38 | abrotman | i'll just keep talking to cafuego .. because . it doesn't matter |
| 00:30.40 | cafuego | "14:37] + Irssi: Auto-ignoring Hellkat - Kicked by debhelper (flood)" |
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| 00:31.02 | abrotman | rectum: and it's still not funny |
| 00:31.02 | cafuego | Beautiful, it autoignores flooders for 30 mins :-) |
| 00:31.03 | shingouz | cafuego: So you autoignore all the flooders then? |
| 00:31.08 | resiak | Nice one, cafuego. |
| 00:31.09 | rectum | abrotman: and i still don't give a flying toss |
| 00:31.11 | cafuego | shingouz: only a temp ignore |
| 00:31.13 | shingouz | nice, cafuego |
| 00:31.13 | devserve | butt hay??! are you in a barn?? |
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| 00:31.25 | shimano55 | Question, Is the newest version of WINE only for Windows 98? |
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| 00:31.44 | resiak | shimano55: No, the newest version of WINE is for Linux... |
| 00:31.45 | devserve | ok, I'm done too :) |
| 00:32.03 | faw | hahahaha |
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| 00:32.13 | shimano55 | resiak, no...sorry..I mean is the newest version of Windows that wine will emulate Windows 98? |
| 00:32.16 | shingouz | shimano55: At least mine can claim all kinds of neat tricks. Not that they are needed once I purged all the M$ $tuff off my computers |
| 00:32.24 | rick__ | hi.. i wanna install ld, which package is it in ? |
| 00:32.35 | bob2 | rick__: install build-essential |
| 00:32.37 | cafuego | rick__: 'ls' is installed already. |
| 00:32.44 | cafuego | s/ls/ld/ |
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| 00:33.03 | cafuego | bob2: Surely 'ld' is ld-linux (in libc6)? |
| 00:33.06 | devserve | rick__: that would probably be in binutils |
| 00:33.12 | devserve | no |
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| 00:33.30 | devserve | wait, maybe... I'm not sure what they're doing now] |
| 00:33.37 | rick__ | ok.. thanx |
| 00:33.54 | cafuego | rick__: TO check, run 'ls -al /lib/ld*' |
| 00:34.08 | devserve | that's ldso |
| 00:34.13 | bob2 | cafuego: there's that and the compile-time linker ld |
| 00:34.15 | devserve | ld isn't ld.so |
| 00:34.19 | rick__ | ok.. |
| 00:34.36 | cafuego | Hmm no, binutils it is (or build-essential) |
| 00:34.48 | abrotman | isn't in a base install ? |
| 00:35.01 | devserve | ld.so is in ldso package, ld (and ar and nm and as and some others) is in binutils |
| 00:35.02 | cafuego | binutils isn't, no. |
| 00:35.27 | bob2 | right |
| 00:35.36 | bob2 | but presumable rick__ wants to compile something |
| 00:35.51 | devserve | ld.so is, because the base has shared libs and executables that use them |
| 00:35.54 | rick__ | ok.. thanx it workx |
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| 00:36.04 | rick__ | i want to compile apache :) |
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| 00:36.06 | cafuego | devserve: Yes, I'm confusing ldso with ld. |
| 00:36.13 | shimano55 | Question, In the WINE configuration, am I supposed to put the paths in relation to Linux (eg /home/shimano55/.wine/fake_windows/Windows) or in relation to Windows (C:\Windows) ? |
| 00:36.13 | cafuego | rick__: no, you don't. |
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| 00:36.23 | abrotman | shimano55: #winehq |
| 00:36.25 | rick__ | i prefer to manually install apache rather than using the packages |
| 00:36.25 | bob2 | woo, 150 assurance points on cacert.org |
| 00:36.25 | cafuego | rick__: There are perfectly servicable precompiled apache packages. |
| 00:36.27 | devserve | rick__: you should also install build-essential to make sure you have all the pieces |
| 00:36.30 | rick__ | i know |
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| 00:36.32 | bob2 | rick__: why? |
| 00:36.37 | cafuego | rick__: Any good reason? |
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| 00:36.42 | shingouz | shimano55: I am guessing that you have to use it in relation to Wine |
| 00:36.56 | rick__ | i have had some probs with some messed up config files after i do apt-get update |
| 00:37.01 | shingouz | shimano55: Windows that is... |
| 00:37.04 | devserve | probably either just because he can, or because it's missing something he wayts |
| 00:37.07 | devserve | wants |
| 00:37.13 | rick__ | and some of the dependencies just fucks up for no reason |
| 00:37.20 | cafuego | rick__: apache packages don't touch modified config files unless you tell them to. |
| 00:37.29 | rick__ | i know it shouldnt |
| 00:37.29 | bob2 | rick__: please file bugs if things really broke |
| 00:37.30 | abrotman | or the maintainer messes up |
| 00:37.38 | rick__ | but.. it did |
| 00:37.40 | shimano55 | shingouz, ok.. |
| 00:37.45 | rick__ | i have filed |
| 00:37.49 | cafuego | abrotman: Well there is that, too. not on woody or sarge over the past 24 months though. |
| 00:38.05 | shingouz | shimano55: Just try it, doesnt hurt too much if you screw up with it really. |
| 00:38.12 | devserve | rick__: which version of debian and of apache? |
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| 00:38.16 | rick__ | but. at this point of time on a production system, id rather use source :) |
| 00:38.19 | devserve | out of curiousity |
| 00:38.28 | abrotman | cafuego: yeah .. not that i've seen either .. and i have apache on both woody and sarge boxes |
| 00:38.32 | rick__ | apache 1.3.23 , using sid |
| 00:38.41 | abrotman | dur |
| 00:38.43 | rick__ | dont flame me for using sid |
| 00:38.43 | devserve | sid?! on a production box? |
| 00:38.44 | cafuego | rick__: I thought you said 'production' |
| 00:38.47 | devserve | that's nuts |
| 00:38.48 | madclicker | any mysql guys here? |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | #mysql has lots! |
| 00:39.00 | resiak | madclicker: #mysql, or just ask your question. |
| 00:39.05 | rick__ | i have used sid on a development box for 1 yr odd |
| 00:39.09 | rick__ | no issues at all |
| 00:39.15 | abrotman | development != production |
| 00:39.15 | resiak | Just you wait. |
| 00:39.22 | rick__ | i know dude |
| 00:39.23 | madclicker | is there a way to export import mysql users ? |
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| 00:39.23 | cafuego | rick__: Sid has _no_ security updates. |
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| 00:39.31 | rick__ | i know |
| 00:39.33 | devserve | rick__: development is one thing.... production is another... but it's your choice |
| 00:39.41 | rick__ | :) |
| 00:39.42 | shingouz | rick__: When was the last time you had a catscan done? Sid on a production box is *not a good thing* |
| 00:39.58 | devserve | he wan'ts to do it |
| 00:40.04 | fransemail | hello! I've a problem when I try to open an odt document saved with ooo-1.9.79 with ooo 1.9.95 that solve any serous bug for me. If I try a document with ooo it freeze and cpuload rise to 100% |
| 00:40.07 | bob2 | hrm |
| 00:40.10 | fransemail | anyone can help me? |
| 00:40.11 | cafuego | at least tell me you install into /usr/local |
| 00:40.18 | bob2 | how do I put stuff into the X primary selection from a shell? |
| 00:40.27 | devserve | what can ya do? tell him it';s not a good idea once, and then let him do what he wants |
| 00:40.33 | bob2 | fransemail: #debian-oo might be able to |
| 00:40.33 | cafuego | bob2: Ey? |
| 00:40.45 | cafuego | bob2: Oh, update the X clipboard? |
| 00:40.47 | bob2 | cafuego: I want to stick the contents of a file into X's clipboard |
| 00:40.48 | bob2 | cafuego: right |
| 00:40.50 | devserve | yeah, don't touch /usr, put stuff in /usr/local |
| 00:41.01 | cafuego | mebbe there's a util... |
| 00:41.09 | acollins | what's the best way to make a grub boot disk? grub-install /dev/fd0 says "/dev/fd0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
| 00:41.20 | devserve | packages are not allowed to touch /usr/local so you should be safe |
| 00:41.25 | rick__ | anyways i tht sarge is gonna get stable in 2003 somewhere .... |
| 00:41.26 | abrotman | acollins: with your config .. or just a general grub disk ? |
| 00:41.26 | rick__ | lol |
| 00:41.36 | rick__ | or was it 2004 |
| 00:41.40 | cafuego | rick__: That still doesn't affect a sid box |
| 00:41.47 | rick__ | ;p |
| 00:42.06 | cafuego | Does your boss know what you did to his server? |
| 00:42.20 | fransemail | bob2: thanks a lot |
| 00:42.23 | fransemail | see you |
| 00:42.29 | FieldySnuts | I have it worse. my boss thinks he knows linux and constantly screws it up. |
| 00:42.30 | acollins | abrotman, either. I've just got unstable installed on a new pc and I'm going to reinstall XP and I know most boot disks don't support my hardware |
| 00:42.38 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Rename root! |
| 00:42.40 | devserve | rick__: one word of warning... once sarge releases, sid (which is hanging back to stay sarge-compatible) will go into anything-goes mode and you could get screwed badly |
| 00:42.42 | FieldySnuts | servers that is |
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| 00:42.58 | devserve | wawa: baba? |
| 00:42.58 | FieldySnuts | resiak: nah i just took away privs in webmin, he doesn't know what else to do... (not my choice to run it) |
| 00:43.08 | acollins | abrotman, i'd like my hard drive grub config to work from floppy to keep me safe... |
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| 00:43.19 | jorgp | devserve: problem is that is 6+ months away :( |
| 00:43.24 | furrywolf | bah. took apart one of my power supplies that let the magic smoke out... and found it filled with leaking insta-explode caps! |
| 00:43.39 | FieldySnuts | i do what i can to keep it relatively secure, ssl, weird non-default port, only accepts connections from a few ips etc |
| 00:43.42 | devserve | jorgp: could very well be, yes. |
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| 00:43.50 | abrotman | acollins: tried /dev/floppy ? |
| 00:43.52 | wawa | devserve: huh? |
| 00:43.56 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Heh, nice one. |
| 00:44.05 | acollins | abrotman, good idea! hang on... |
| 00:44.22 | cafuego | bob2: apt-cache show xclip |
| 00:44.39 | jorgp | devserve: we have bets going at work which will come first, US troop pullout in Iraq or Sarge release |
| 00:44.45 | devserve | wawa: old saturday night live character played by Gilda Radner, meant to be Barbra Walters, but on SNL she's called Baba Wawa |
| 00:44.49 | FieldySnuts | resiak: the last thing he did really made me angry, I threatened to quit and got a 7% raise to stay, and the very next month an additional 7% raise. he messed with samba. screwing up winbind, meaning that squid could not use NTLM to auth to the domain controller, meaning nobody could use http or ftp or https. |
| 00:45.00 | FieldySnuts | it wasn't worth the raises. |
| 00:45.04 | FieldySnuts | talk about being mad. |
| 00:45.04 | acollins | abrotman, :-) /dev/floppy: Not found or not a block device. |
| 00:45.09 | wawa | ahaa..seen |
| 00:45.36 | acollins | abrotman, should I go for lilo then mkboot |
| 00:45.36 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Owwwwwch. Does he not just accept that he has NFI what's going on? |
| 00:45.45 | acollins | abrotman, then install grub? |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | acollins: do you have a floppy drive? |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | acollins: you do have a floppy drive right ? |
| 00:46.05 | FieldySnuts | resiak: his thinking is he won't pay me overtime when he needs help after hours. that's all. then they end up paying it to me anyway, when I spend 4 times longer fixing it. |
| 00:46.16 | abrotman | acollins: modprobe floppy ? |
| 00:46.20 | abrotman | try agian ? |
| 00:46.21 | FieldySnuts | anyway end of rant |
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| 00:46.25 | devserve | floppy drives in newer systems is getting -scarse- |
| 00:46.29 | resiak | FieldySnuts: I'm guessing that the money doesn't make up for the stress? |
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| 00:46.48 | FieldySnuts | resiak: no. looking elsewhere right now, have an interested party to take care of a 300 box cluster |
| 00:46.56 | acollins | abrotman, no different (in both cases) |
| 00:46.56 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Gopher it. |
| 00:47.03 | roler | I am using root-tail to display my logs on the desktop, but when I have nautilus running, it overwrites root-tail desktop's output... Can anyone let me know what to do to have them both going? |
| 00:47.11 | FieldySnuts | i'm looking it's just really far away |
| 00:47.14 | FieldySnuts | worth a shot |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | acollins: does /dev/fd0 or /dev/floppy exist ? |
| 00:47.42 | acollins | fd0 does |
| 00:47.42 | FieldySnuts | just a little advice. when your entire sunday is ruined because you dread that badly going into work the next day, it's time to move on. |
| 00:47.48 | FieldySnuts | which is what happens to me |
| 00:47.54 | acollins | floppy doesn't |
| 00:47.55 | abrotman | acollins: grub-install /dev/fd0 ? |
| 00:48.01 | acollins | :-) |
| 00:48.10 | abrotman | no? |
| 00:48.12 | acollins | that's what got me here in the first place ;-) |
| 00:48.23 | abrotman | what's the error again ? |
| 00:48.25 | acollins | /dev/fd0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 00:48.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:48.38 | acollins | maybe it's a bad disk |
| 00:48.41 | acollins | let me try another |
| 00:48.43 | abrotman | what .. a SCSI floppy ? |
| 00:48.52 | devserve | hmm, so the existing floppy drive is not installed in the bios settings? |
| 00:48.59 | acollins | sata, possibly |
| 00:49.13 | acollins | ...oh the trouble i've had ;-) |
| 00:49.24 | abrotman | acollins: dmesg | grep -i floppy ? |
| 00:49.26 | devserve | sata floppy?? |
| 00:49.28 | devserve | wow |
| 00:49.42 | acollins | debian:/dev# dmesg | grep -i floppy |
| 00:49.42 | acollins | Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 00:49.51 | acollins | :-) |
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| 00:50.02 | abrotman | so why doesn't the bios see it ? |
| 00:50.09 | acollins | other things see it |
| 00:50.12 | acollins | e.g. lilo |
| 00:50.13 | acollins | maybe |
| 00:50.20 | abrotman | i do know you can download a grub image and dd it to a floppy |
| 00:50.26 | acollins | good idea |
| 00:50.51 | abrotman | acollins: ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 00:51.12 | abrotman | course .. depending on your FS .. that may not work |
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| 00:52.04 | acollins | abrotman, thanks for the help, i'll do some more googleing |
| 00:52.17 | abrotman | acollins: other option .. ask #grub |
| 00:52.27 | acollins | yup |
| 00:52.30 | acollins | i'll try that |
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| 00:53.40 | acollins | abrotman, thanks again |
| 00:53.44 | abrotman | np |
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| 00:56.49 | ave | alguem de SAMPA? |
| 00:56.54 | sussudio | !br |
| 00:56.55 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:57.29 | Skrot | Can I check what speed (rpm) my hd is from linux? |
| 00:57.48 | CuBie | ciao |
| 00:57.54 | CuBie | guys |
| 00:58.01 | CuBie | and girls ;) |
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| 00:58.33 | abrotman | Skrot: hdparm maybe? |
| 00:58.58 | gteppel | I just recently went from stable to sid, uname -a returns "Linux whistler 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:29:52 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux". Previosly I was running iptables succesfully using its nat capabilites. However when I modprobe iptables_nat I get an error complaining about inserting ip_conctrack and ipitable_nat (Unknown symbol in module, etc...) lsmod shows that both of these are unloaded... however iptable_filter and ip_tables |
| 00:58.59 | gteppel | are both loaded. Are these modules named differently? or non-existent on a Debian/sid system. Any help/direction would be appreciated, thanks!! |
| 00:59.17 | sameer | hey im having trouble compiling kernel for via c3 processor |
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| 00:59.31 | abrotman | !vague |
| 00:59.32 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 00:59.39 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 00:59.43 | FieldySnuts | perfect |
| 00:59.52 | bob2 | gteppel: usually means someone screwed up the kernel |
| 01:00.01 | bob2 | sameer: then don't compile it. |
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| 01:00.50 | gteppel | bob2: ok thanks, I'll look into that |
| 01:00.54 | devserve | sameer: don't let these jamokes get you down... /msg dpkg sicco and try again |
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| 01:01.38 | bob2 | gteppel: as in the modules don't match the kernel image itself...I'm not sure how it could have happened in your case, but I'd try reinstall kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 01:01.45 | bob2 | also, kudos on a good question |
| 01:02.54 | gteppel | bob2: gotcha!, lol i've learned painfully how to ask questions in this channel :-P |
| 01:03.09 | gteppel | well i'm off to try the reinstall |
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| 01:03.11 | gteppel | ttyl |
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| 01:04.17 | roler | how can I make it so output from root-tail can be seen on my desktop along with nautilus output? |
| 01:04.34 | Fluten | shingouz, i now have it working, looks like i needed to compile a kernel module, probably why i couldn't find much info on google because it's so simple to get working |
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| 01:05.10 | shingouz | Fluten: Uh... what was it you had problems with? I only have so much free ram here :) |
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| 01:06.15 | Fluten | shingouz, get more :), i just got 512MB more off of newegg for around $40 |
| 01:06.27 | Fluten | much faster now not having to do as much swapping over nfs |
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| 01:07.00 | shingouz | Fluten: Now that is extremely bad. You have more ram on that box then than I have hd on a few of my older still working computers |
| 01:07.47 | FieldySnuts | swap over NFS heh |
| 01:07.49 | Fluten | 1GB too much ram? it's 6 times more than the hard drive i had in my first machine :) |
| 01:07.49 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nfs? |
| 01:07.49 | ravenbird | it has been said that nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or http://www.j-mulders.demon.nl/unix/nis-rpc/doc/rpc/nfs-v2-protocol-specification.html for some gory details.. No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. ... |
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| 01:07.53 | shingouz | Fluten: Besides I do not think even Newegg would cater for /dev/shingouz. for my computers maybe but me.. no |
| 01:08.33 | Fluten | FieldySnuts, swapping at a painful 1MB/sec, and slowing down my cpu at the same time from the disk access |
| 01:08.49 | Fluten | but it's worth it being diskless to have less hard drive noise |
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| 01:11.48 | cartel_ | anyone know a channel for debian from scratch? |
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| 01:12.34 | Golani | hello |
| 01:13.32 | Cyis | !tell cartel_ about dfs |
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| 01:14.07 | abonilla | Hi, have someone also noticed the CPU peak when using Mozilla-plugin-vlc? |
| 01:14.19 | abrotman | abonilla: your nick is wrong |
| 01:14.31 | abonilla | abrotman, I know. |
| 01:15.14 | Fo | abonilla : i've noticed 'weird mouse activity' when Im running mozilla-firefox :] ( my mouse just getting crazy ) |
| 01:15.36 | abonilla | so, whenever trying to stream an mp3, the black background comes in and starts downloading the file |
| 01:15.48 | Golani | i did apt-get upgrade, and my mouse used to work, (PS2 mouse), and something ran to setup X....but now my mouse doesn't work, is there something i can run to setup my mouse? |
| 01:16.04 | abonilla | and while so, the CPU is 100%. This is occuring in Sid upgraded both laptop and Desktop. |
| 01:16.19 | abonilla | Golani, maybe gpm? |
| 01:16.20 | Fo | Golani : gpm |
| 01:16.33 | shingouz | Golani: What kernel you have? Also it is a PS/2, not PS2 |
| 01:16.37 | Golani | let me try abonilla... |
| 01:16.42 | sameer | is sarge going to be freezed soon?? |
| 01:16.49 | abonilla | Is there a channel where I can talk about mozilla and debian package with vlc? |
| 01:16.49 | herbi_ | weird |
| 01:16.53 | shingouz | !topicsmite sameer |
| 01:16.54 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sameer. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:17.04 | herbi_ | thalamus:/thalamus0/Seb/cdrom/greg/src/vt-exec/bin/linux# file reech3d |
| 01:17.05 | herbi_ | reech3d: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 01:17.11 | abonilla | Golani, ok brother. Sid, Mozilla and mozilla-plugin-vlc. (I think) |
| 01:17.16 | herbi_ | thalamus:/thalamus0/Seb/cdrom/greg/src/vt-exec/bin/linux# ./reech3d |
| 01:17.16 | herbi_ | -su: ./reech3d: No such file or directory |
| 01:17.26 | herbi_ | can anyone expain that? :( |
| 01:17.30 | herbi_ | s/expain/explain |
| 01:17.35 | herbi_ | the file is there... |
| 01:17.39 | herbi_ | but i cant execute it |
| 01:17.53 | herbi_ | thalamus:/thalamus0/Seb/cdrom/greg/src/vt-exec/bin/linux# ls -l ./reech3d |
| 01:17.53 | herbi_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 sourselin ehealth 107193 Nov 13 2003 ./reech3d |
| 01:17.56 | abonilla | I check the gnome system monitor and it states mozilla-bin using 145MB |
| 01:17.57 | FieldySnuts | @lart herbi_ |
| 01:18.10 | Golani | do i run gpm in the shell window? (i've sshed into the machine) |
| 01:18.20 | herbi_ | FieldySnuts: um...lart? |
| 01:18.28 | FieldySnuts | gpm has nothing to do with it over a network connection |
| 01:18.37 | Golani | oh |
| 01:18.50 | herbi_ | can anyone expain why i cant execute that binary? |
| 01:19.00 | herbi_ | or point me to some doco...or something.. |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 01:19.12 | abrotman | !win FieldySnuts |
| 01:19.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, FieldySnuts! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
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| 01:19.27 | abonilla | herbi_, maybe chmod + filename |
| 01:19.27 | shingouz | Golani: Check if you have gpm running in the first place. If it should be running /etc/init.d/gpm start I guess |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | abonilla: see the permissions ? |
| 01:19.54 | herbi_ | abonilla: nope :( |
| 01:20.01 | abonilla | abrotman, ? |
| 01:20.02 | herbi_ | why doesnt this file work |
| 01:20.13 | herbi_ | i dont get it. it isnt over nfs or anything |
| 01:20.16 | herbi_ | its on the local disk, and im root |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | herbi_: cat /etc/fstab | grep cdrom |
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| 01:20.27 | Fo | no not again :/ |
| 01:20.27 | herbi_ | abrotman: its not on a cdrom, the dir is just named that |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | herbi_: did you mount it noexec ? |
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| 01:20.58 | Golani | shingouz -> its PS/2 |
| 01:21.00 | herbi_ | there is no entry in my fstab mounted as noexec |
| 01:21.17 | Golani | i have 2.4.25 |
| 01:21.26 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:21.45 | shingouz | Golani: The mouse? Yes, I know. There is no PS2 mouse at all anywhere in the world |
| 01:21.47 | herbi_ | abrotman: sorry? |
| 01:22.21 | shingouz | Golani: You might want to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root to get the mosue running again |
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| 01:22.26 | herbi_ | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 01:22.30 | FieldySnuts | @any ideas |
| 01:22.30 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag of string, a little vegemite, and a dozen rabid platypuses. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 01:23.01 | herbi_ | ok i see that message every time. dont you get sick of typing that line FieldySnuts? |
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| 01:24.00 | abrotman | herbi_: i thought it was a CD you mounted noexec |
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| 01:25.01 | herbi_ | abrotman: nope :( its just a directory |
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| 01:25.32 | Nexus | What is the best way to see the changelog for a package? |
| 01:25.37 | herbi_ | would you like to see strace output? |
| 01:25.44 | Nexus | For example nagios. Whoever changed it last screwed it up. |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | Nexus: you mean between revisions .. or from the original? |
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| 01:26.32 | Nexus | abrotman, Revisions for debian packages. |
| 01:27.00 | abrotman | packages.debian.org/<pkgname> ... find your version .. all the way at the bottom .. only ones i know of |
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| 01:28.30 | herbi_ | abrotman: what else would cause a binary to not exec? |
| 01:28.37 | acollins | abrotman: found it... :-) |
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| 01:28.53 | acollins | abrotman: needed to edit /boot/grub/device.map |
| 01:28.55 | herbi_ | i dont get it :( its not like someone switched the processor from a 386 to a sparc or somethin governight :/ |
| 01:29.00 | acollins | and add the floppy |
| 01:29.06 | roler | how can I add nautilus back into my session? I used gnome-session-remove and now want to put it back |
| 01:29.09 | acollins | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/03/msg16261.html |
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| 01:30.29 | whm | so many people!11 |
| 01:30.54 | Skrot | Can I ask a question about nvidia-installation here? Using the one-liner given by dpkg |
| 01:31.07 | devserve | they're all needed to make people think debian is cool :) |
| 01:31.12 | chealer | !tell Skrot about nvidia-howto |
| 01:31.13 | abrotman | herbi_: it's corrupted? no ELF support? |
| 01:31.20 | Skrot | chealer: i've read it |
| 01:31.25 | chealer | Skrot: you can ask |
| 01:31.27 | Skrot | chealer: but I'm getting a error in the debian-installer |
| 01:31.31 | cartel_ | devserve: you mean its not cool? |
| 01:31.32 | Skrot | when compiling |
| 01:31.44 | devserve | I didn't say that :) |
| 01:31.46 | chealer | Skrot: the debian-installer...humm |
| 01:31.57 | Skrot | /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv.c:1: error: code model `kernel' not ? supported in the 32 bit mode |
| 01:32.02 | whm | the installing of nvidia driver is easier |
| 01:32.16 | Skrot | whm: talk to me! :) |
| 01:32.36 | whm | download the source of u kernel |
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| 01:32.43 | Skrot | whm: got the headers |
| 01:32.45 | chealer | Skrot: you must mean module-assistant, right? |
| 01:33.03 | lef|afk | what's the best way to keep incemental back-ups of a server? I run sarge |
| 01:33.03 | whm | and down load the driver from the nvidia homepage |
| 01:33.12 | Skrot | chealer: I'm using the "nvidia one-liner" from dpkg |
| 01:33.19 | Skrot | and yes; it uses module-assistant |
| 01:33.22 | chealer | whm: please don't recommend people to use nvidia-installer |
| 01:33.37 | whm | i think download from the homepage is better |
| 01:33.43 | chealer | whm: unless of course it's impossible to get it installed the debian way |
| 01:33.43 | drac | whm: wrong. |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | you're wrong |
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| 01:33.50 | Skrot | dpkg told me that was BAD :) |
| 01:34.17 | chealer | Skrot: ok, because debian-installer isn't module-assistant |
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| 01:34.26 | whm | it's the newest |
| 01:34.27 | Skrot | chealer: sure :) |
| 01:34.29 | chealer | Skrot: so what's the step at which you get that? |
| 01:35.08 | whm | edit XF86config file |
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| 01:35.23 | Atula | man |
| 01:35.28 | Skrot | chealer: at "m-a a-i nvidia" |
| 01:35.29 | whm | change the driver "vesa" to "nvidia" |
| 01:35.34 | Atula | Family episode was okay.... |
| 01:35.38 | abrotman | whm: could you just .. stop |
| 01:35.45 | Atula | wasn't as good as I expected it to be |
| 01:35.49 | Skrot | whm: i know that. I'm having problems compiling the drivers, not configuring X. but thanks anyway :) |
| 01:35.51 | Atula | Family Guy |
| 01:36.00 | FieldySnuts | he's giving lame advice, watch it |
| 01:36.12 | chealer | Skrot: what's your release? |
| 01:36.17 | Skrot | chealer: sid |
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| 01:36.27 | chealer | !sidsmite Skrot |
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| 01:36.37 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:36.49 | chealer | Skrot: no idea, check the BTS of course |
| 01:36.53 | Atula | I love Family Guy, no doubt about that... but I think it's because I've been chewing the previous three seasons over and over again... I'm expecting too much.... |
| 01:36.53 | Skrot | i just love getting smacked :) |
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| 01:37.36 | devserve | dpkg: note carefully that libstdc++5 is in sarge now... so redo your factoid! |
| 01:37.37 | dpkg | devserve: okay |
| 01:37.45 | madsen | Hey! Anyone experienced with setting up tablets (Wacom Volito actually) on Debian? |
| 01:37.55 | devserve | what do you know... a cooperative bot... |
| 01:38.11 | whm | i installed nvidia driver once in debian |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | devserve: you just told him a factoid |
| 01:38.20 | abrotman | !forget note carefully that libstdc++5 |
| 01:38.20 | bob2 | dpkg: note carefully that libstdc++5? |
| 01:38.21 | dpkg | i forgot note carefully that libstdc++5, abrotman |
| 01:38.22 | devserve | yes I know :) |
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| 01:38.24 | whm | no problem occur |
| 01:38.37 | whm | for my friend |
| 01:38.38 | devserve | didn't know I was going to... |
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| 01:38.48 | wilbertoki | I dled latest CVS orinico drivers and ran make and make install without errors but eth0 still has no monitor mode |
| 01:39.06 | madsen | whm: You talking to me? |
| 01:39.25 | shingouz | wilbertoki: www.kismetwireless.net and READ the manual |
| 01:39.26 | abrotman | madsen: i've heard you just plug them in and they work |
| 01:39.46 | madsen | abrotman: lol, well, in my case that's kind of an exageration. |
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| 01:40.30 | wilbertoki | shingouz: thanks |
| 01:40.36 | shingouz | wilbertoki: To make it simple, Orinoco needs to be patched before ther is rfmon |
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| 01:40.42 | madsen | abrotman: But I don't know what the problem is (the kernel driver or the XFree86 config) - so it's hard to fix. :-/ |
| 01:41.06 | bltzfsck | any nvidia experts in the house tonight? |
| 01:41.08 | wilbertoki | shingouz: I was wondering about a patch but I thought I read somewhere latest drivers had support -- thanks dude |
| 01:41.16 | shingouz | wilbertoki: :) |
| 01:41.21 | bob2 | bltzfsck: just ask your question |
| 01:41.32 | bltzfsck | that WAS a question |
| 01:41.36 | bltzfsck | but here's a better one |
| 01:41.43 | bltzfsck | my nvidia driver quit working |
| 01:41.46 | shingouz | wilbertoki: Go with 2.6.9 and just grab the patch. Applies nicely on the vanilla sources |
| 01:41.55 | wilbertoki | alright cool |
| 01:41.57 | whm | madsen:i install it from nvidia-installer |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | madsen: tried google ? |
| 01:42.02 | bltzfsck | gives signal 11 right after loading "glx" |
| 01:42.03 | bob2 | clown: #mepis |
| 01:42.09 | clown | k |
| 01:42.13 | abrotman | whm: you're talking to the wrong person |
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| 01:42.19 | madsen | abrotman: Yeah, a great deal, but nothing. :-/ |
| 01:42.20 | abrotman | whm: madsen doesn't care about nvidia |
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| 01:42.25 | bltzfsck | i had hell making it work, but finally did, using the nvidia installer |
| 01:42.29 | madsen | whm: What are you talking about? |
| 01:42.30 | bltzfsck | then it quit again |
| 01:42.47 | whm | ^_^ |
| 01:42.58 | bltzfsck | i made some changes to get blender to work, but they were only font paths as i recall |
| 01:43.07 | madsen | abrotman: I can make it move up and down (by moving the pen sidewards(?)) but that's about it... |
| 01:43.13 | whm | i am new with xchat |
| 01:43.21 | madsen | whm: heh |
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| 01:44.10 | mud_ | i am trying to install debian sarge on a machine with a dlink DWL-G510 wireless card and it isnt on the list of supported cards so it wont install is there something i can do or do i have to get a different card? |
| 01:44.13 | madsen | abrotman: You into XF86Config stuff? |
| 01:44.20 | bltzfsck | the old XF86Config file with the nv driver works just like it always did |
| 01:44.26 | abrotman | madsen: no .. S&M hurts less :) |
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| 01:44.36 | chealer | bltzfsck: you know there's a Debian Way to install NVIDIA's drivers (which isn't nvidia-installer)? |
| 01:44.36 | madsen | abrotman: lol! True! |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | madsen: xfree.org doesn't have config stuff? |
| 01:44.55 | bltzfsck | chealer, i tried the debian way till i was blue in the face |
| 01:45.05 | shingouz | mud_: Is that something that needs ndiswapper? If it is, get another card that is supported by the native linux drivers and you are a lot happier |
| 01:45.05 | madsen | abrotman: whaddayamean? |
| 01:45.25 | bltzfsck | never got it to work because there were differing versions of glx and the driver itself, as i recall |
| 01:45.37 | bltzfsck | i tried it so long i gave up for good |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | madsen: sometimes they have examples |
| 01:45.53 | bltzfsck | then i tried again with the nvidia installer and it worked |
| 01:45.57 | mud_ | can anyone reccommend a good wireless pci card for debian? |
| 01:46.02 | madsen | abrotman: Oh! And xorg is completely compatible with XFree86? |
| 01:46.15 | madsen | mud_: Cisco Aironet |
| 01:46.23 | chealer | bltzfsck: did you follow the Debian-nVidia HOWTO? |
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| 01:46.34 | bltzfsck | chealer, i've been trying to do everything the debian way since i joined the fold |
| 01:46.40 | bltzfsck | chealer, to the letter |
| 01:46.41 | madsen | mud_: Dunno if it's available as a PCI card though... It is as Mini-PCI. |
| 01:46.45 | bltzfsck | it was a versions thing |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | madsen: are you using xorg ? |
| 01:47.01 | madsen | abrotman: Nope, XFree86 |
| 01:47.03 | bltzfsck | the ftp source didn't have the right versions of the two things i needed |
| 01:47.04 | wilbertoki | shingouz: do I apply patch to source and then make make install or do I files already installed |
| 01:47.06 | Jamsi | What command do you type in the /etc/mail folder after making changes to virtualtable ? |
| 01:47.08 | mud_ | madsen: never heard of mini-pci |
| 01:47.14 | madsen | abrotman: Is xorg out for debian yet? |
| 01:47.19 | abrotman | madsen: ok .. so check xfree.org for a example possibly .. or ask #xfree86 |
| 01:47.22 | abrotman | madsen: no .. see /topic |
| 01:47.24 | madsen | mud_: Laptop-slots. |
| 01:47.29 | madsen | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:47.33 | mud_ | ahh |
| 01:47.34 | shingouz | wilbertoki: You apply the patch and compile a custom kernel which you later on install. |
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| 01:47.40 | bltzfsck | i spent hours getting all that stuff in my head, then when it worked, it all leaked out my ears |
| 01:47.45 | challenged | mini-pci = PCMCIA isnt it? |
| 01:47.50 | bltzfsck | guess i have to walk through it all again, eh? |
| 01:47.54 | chealer | bltzfsck: that doesn't seem unfixable. anyway, if you're willing to retry, I for one will try to help you. of course that won't fix the problem if it comes from screwed up X config |
| 01:48.01 | liable | challenged: no |
| 01:48.05 | wilbertoki | shingouz: I have to compile custom kernel! I thought I just had to compile kernel modules |
| 01:48.08 | madsen | challenged: Nope |
| 01:48.10 | shingouz | !tell wilbertoki about kernel-package |
| 01:48.18 | chealer | bltzfsck: the same happened to me the first time I tried |
| 01:48.37 | lef|afk | anyone ever used rsnapshot? |
| 01:48.38 | shingouz | wilbertoki: It is possible that just new modules would do too, I haven't tried it so far |
| 01:48.44 | chealer | bltzfsck: you don't have to, but it would be a good idea |
| 01:48.49 | bltzfsck | i didnt change my XF86Config between the time when it worked and the time when it no longer worked |
| 01:48.54 | madsen | abrotman: Though, my extensive googling for "linux wacom" and "linux volito" didn't bring up anything... :-( |
| 01:49.02 | wilbertoki | shingouz: I am going to compile alreayd patched standalone driver |
| 01:49.11 | bltzfsck | chealer, i think my problem is with the glx part |
| 01:49.13 | shingouz | wilbertoki: The reason is that all my laptops have patched Orinocos which I install pretty much as default on them from day one |
| 01:49.26 | bltzfsck | i needed it to make blender work, and i'm not sure i got it set up right |
| 01:50.13 | bltzfsck | somehow i switched default runlevels through it all |
| 01:50.26 | bltzfsck | when i finally got that fixed, X no longer worked |
| 01:50.52 | chealer | bltzfsck: hum, where did you modify the font paths you referred to? |
| 01:51.09 | madsen | wtf!?! When I do "xinput list" I get 6 axises(plural?) for my tablet. All of them with min_value=0, max_value=0 and resolution=0. (?) |
| 01:51.27 | bltzfsck | it was during the installation of blender, and I'd have to reconstruc t that whole process to figure it out |
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| 01:51.36 | bltzfsck | but would font paths make X totally abort? |
| 01:51.54 | Jamsi | What command do you type in the /etc/mail folder after making changes to virtualtable ? |
| 01:51.54 | bltzfsck | it was CID fonts |
| 01:52.08 | chealer | bltzfsck: I don't know, but X's log should tell |
| 01:52.15 | challenged | madsen: you have x y presure buton 1 2 3 i think ...been a while on tablets |
| 01:52.34 | madsen | challenged: ? |
| 01:52.40 | chealer | bltzfsck: ...if X starts without glx then you have a glx problem |
| 01:52.56 | abrotman | madsen: sounds like an axis is missing |
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| 01:53.17 | challenged | madsen: 6 axis = zero.... Xaxis, Y axis, Presure Axis, buton 1 active button2 active button 3 active ? |
| 01:53.18 | madsen | abrotman: What do you mean? I have 6 of them... |
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| 01:53.30 | shimano55 | Question, What is a good CD-Ripper to use? |
| 01:53.35 | abrotman | madsen: isn't three dimensions enough? |
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| 01:53.47 | bltzfsck | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.58 | madsen | challenged: Oh, but button 1 should be pressing the pad, button 2 is on the pen and then there are no more buttons afaik. |
| 01:54.20 | bltzfsck | i think the CID is the one i moved when i installed blender |
| 01:54.21 | madsen | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:54.36 | bltzfsck | maybe i could slap a symlink in where it used to be... |
| 01:54.58 | chealer | bltzfsck: AFAIK many distros give an error about /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic (at least) in default or near-default setups |
| 01:55.12 | bltzfsck | mine is near default |
| 01:55.14 | chealer | my install does it, so don't worry if you just have that warning |
| 01:55.17 | scorphus | Can anyone please read the description of my problem ( http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/04/msg03736.html ) and tell me I should whether report a bug or not (wait for a reply)? |
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| 01:55.26 | bltzfsck | well there's the CID thing though |
| 01:55.29 | bltzfsck | what's that? |
| 01:55.44 | madsen | challenged: Problem is that I've seen so many different versions of the XF86Config entry that I have no clue what a working one would look like. :-/ |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | madsen: http://www.educ.umu.se/~bjorn/linux/howto/Wacom-Tablet-HOWTO-5.html .. you read that . .right? |
| 01:56.04 | Hellkat | hey, i am running the 2.4 kernel, and i cant play sounds. no mp3s, dvds, .avis, anything, what is going on? |
| 01:56.04 | challenged | madsen: try this http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~flepied/projects/wacom/ |
| 01:56.19 | madsen | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:56.27 | challenged | the link i have is the guy doing the driver apparently...he did the alphas |
| 01:56.35 | bob2 | Hellkat: use a Debian kernel |
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| 01:56.50 | challenged | Hellkat: 2.4 kernel doesn't incluse alsa...you need to load modules etc |
| 01:56.58 | abrotman | madsen: sadly .. i'd have to say to ask #xfree86 .. if anyone is awake |
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| 01:57.02 | Hellkat | i do realized this |
| 01:57.12 | Hellkat | should i just apt-get install alsa? |
| 01:57.15 | bltzfsck | chealer, i think i'm gonna put off the struggle for another day. i still have grocery shopping to do for the week etc |
| 01:57.20 | madsen | challenged: Yeah, I read that... And whatever's on linuxwacom.sf.net... |
| 01:57.20 | bltzfsck | thanks for the help |
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| 01:57.25 | madsen | abrotman: Ok, I'll try. :) |
| 01:57.42 | challenged | Hellkat: if you have mopdules loaded...the mixers a generally set to muted...use a alsamixer to confirm they are turned on and up |
| 01:57.44 | liable | Hellkat: using woody? |
| 01:57.51 | shimano55 | Anyone know a good cd ripper I can use? |
| 01:57.54 | bob2 | challenged: er, alsa requires loading modules and stuff... |
| 01:57.58 | bob2 | shimano55: abcde |
| 01:57.59 | abrotman | grip |
| 01:58.00 | dondelelcaro | shimano55: cdparanoia |
| 01:58.14 | Hellkat | im not sure |
| 01:58.18 | madsen | shimano55: mp3c (can rip to ogg as well). |
| 01:58.21 | Hellkat | the newest testing version. |
| 01:58.29 | challenged | bob2: thats what i said isnt it ? hehe |
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| 01:58.54 | Hellkat | i cant find alsamixer |
| 01:58.57 | liable | Hellkat: upgrade to a 2.6 kernel and install alsa |
| 01:59.05 | CompBrain | aumix is nice too |
| 01:59.06 | abrotman | install it ? |
| 01:59.18 | liable | alsa-base |
| 01:59.18 | Hellkat | if i use the 2.6 kernel, it doesnt support my ethernet card. |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | which card is that? |
| 01:59.32 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i got fbsplash working on the ibook (=. took a while since bootsplash doesnt work on ppc because FB_VESA. i dont get the bootup graphic stuff but onces the machien is up i can change the background image in console |
| 01:59.41 | shimano55 | thanks guys |
| 01:59.42 | Hellkat | realtek 8139 |
| 01:59.44 | VoX | i'm trying to compile MPlayer, and it's saying "Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found)." i cant for the life of me work out which package i need. any ideas? |
| 01:59.58 | Hellkat | RLT-8139 |
| 02:00.15 | CompBrain | Hellkat: 2.6 supports that |
| 02:00.17 | Hellkat | i can play sound and stuff on the 2.6 kernal, but no ethernet. |
| 02:00.24 | VoX | yay for realtek |
| 02:00.24 | madsen | VoX: libgtk2.0-dev perhaps |
| 02:00.28 | Hellkat | well, it cant see mine, i dont know what the problem is.. |
| 02:00.44 | Hellkat | it boots up, and it says it doesnt recognize it |
| 02:01.00 | VoX | madsen: already installed |
| 02:01.02 | madsen | VoX: or maybe libgtk1.2-dev if it asks for the old GTK+ stuff. |
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| 02:01.36 | madsen | VoX: But why not install mplayer as a .deb package? |
| 02:01.37 | Hellkat | i am using a sony vaio, would that be a problem (laptop) |
| 02:01.49 | VoX | madsen: there's an mplayer .deb? |
| 02:02.12 | madsen | VoX: Yeah, in some repository somewhere... Hang on, I'll find it in my sources.list. |
| 02:02.19 | challenged | VoX: non official due to licensing but year mirrilat |
| 02:02.30 | liable | Hellkat: have you tried manually loading the module for it? |
| 02:02.43 | VoX | gah |
| 02:02.48 | abrotman | !tell vox about mplayer |
| 02:02.50 | madsen | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main |
| 02:02.53 | Hellkat | i dont know how |
| 02:03.17 | shingouz | Hellkat: modprobe |
| 02:03.18 | Hellkat | liable: i have no idea how to load the module, could you tell me how/send a link? |
| 02:03.27 | shingouz | Hellkat: man modprobe |
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| 02:03.32 | Hellkat | thanks |
| 02:03.35 | challenged | may not want to use th3e unstable ...... |
| 02:03.45 | VoX | madsen: isnt mixing sarge with sid a _bad_ idea? |
| 02:04.00 | madsen | VoX: Probably... |
| 02:04.07 | VoX | mmm |
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| 02:04.16 | challenged | mine is: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 02:04.27 | VoX | touche |
| 02:04.28 | madsen | VoX: But then you'll need libgtk1.2-dev |
| 02:04.39 | VoX | madsen: just installed it |
| 02:04.43 | madsen | VoX: k |
| 02:04.49 | abrotman | !tell vox about mplayer |
| 02:05.10 | challenged | any luck with that wacom driver? |
| 02:05.19 | Fo | finally, my KDE is working like it should :] |
| 02:05.29 | poh | I am looking to have a single username/password for users to sign on to any computer on my home network. In my case it would be easier to just manually keep it up to date. But I want to see how to set something like this up for real, does anyone have any suggestions |
| 02:05.29 | abrotman | poorly? |
| 02:05.36 | challenged | Fo: give it a minute something will bork hehe |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | poh: ldap |
| 02:05.45 | shingouz | Fo: Isn't that an oxymoron? KDE and working? |
| 02:05.57 | poh | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:06.01 | Fo | shingouz : nope :] |
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| 02:06.17 | shingouz | Fo: It is pretty close in anycase |
| 02:06.24 | Debain\Pwns | hey can anyone help me ... all of a sudden i cant connect to the ftp server on my box :| |
| 02:06.26 | madsen | challenged: Nope. :( |
| 02:06.39 | madsen | Reading the linuxwacom.sf.net mailing list archives now. |
| 02:06.40 | Debain\Pwns | and it appears that proftpd is running |
| 02:06.46 | challenged | madsen: which tablet you have? |
| 02:07.13 | challenged | madsen you did look at :http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~flepied/projects/wacom/ |
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| 02:07.27 | shingouz | Debain\Pwns: Check /etc/hosts.allow and hosts.deny. Your firewall may also create some problems |
| 02:07.37 | Debain\Pwns | dw looks like it was the firewall |
| 02:07.39 | madsen | challenged: Wacom Volito - and yeah, I've read that before. |
| 02:07.42 | Debain\Pwns | sorry :\ |
| 02:07.53 | Debain\Pwns | i dont know what made it suddenly block flashfxp tho :\ |
| 02:07.54 | shingouz | !debain |
| 02:07.54 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 02:07.55 | VoX | madsen/challenged: thanks for your help - getting mplayer now |
| 02:08.01 | shingouz | Debain\Pwns: :) |
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| 02:08.18 | Debain\Pwns | sorry for borthering you :) |
| 02:08.23 | devserve | nor waqs any named deb... |
| 02:08.32 | Jamsi | What command do you type in the /etc/mail folder after making changes to virtualtable ? |
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| 02:10.00 | Pi_ | hi |
| 02:10.07 | devserve | hipi |
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| 02:10.39 | Pi_ | so, i add the unoffical xfce4 sources to apt, and the fonts go to shit in all my applications |
| 02:10.44 | Pi_ | everything is just way too small |
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| 02:11.09 | challenged | unnofficial xfce4? |
| 02:11.12 | shingouz | Pi_: Why the hell use the unofficial sources then |
| 02:11.12 | Pi_ | yes |
| 02:11.24 | tweak | hmmm this might not be the place to ask, but maybe you guys could point me in the right direction. Im trying to figure out if I can somehow change my ip address to the outside world by using a proxy server or something? I want to be able to run this program that tracks by ip and have it think im someone else. (one is linux one is windows.) |
| 02:11.25 | jme | because the ones currently in sid are old |
| 02:11.31 | Pi_ | shingouz: beucase unstable has xfce4.0, xfce4.2 is better |
| 02:11.33 | challenged | why? |
| 02:11.45 | Pi_ | tweak: use tor or something |
| 02:11.46 | challenged | k |
| 02:11.51 | zinx | challenged: clearly because it makes your fonts smaller |
| 02:11.56 | shingouz | damn.. better... more blingbling i guess |
| 02:11.58 | jme | Pi_: i experienced that too, but i haven't done anything about it yet |
| 02:12.09 | tweak | Pi_ tor? is that for windows and linux? |
| 02:12.13 | Pi_ | jme, i fucked with the settings for dpi and shit |
| 02:12.14 | abrotman | !tor |
| 02:12.15 | dpkg | it has been said that tor is http://tor.eff.org/, or the kiddies best friend |
| 02:12.22 | Pi_ | tweak: stfw |
| 02:12.24 | jme | Pi_: i was wondering about dpi |
| 02:12.30 | Pi_ | jme: didn't do shit |
| 02:12.34 | jme | Pi_: heh :/ |
| 02:12.41 | tweak | Pi_ ? |
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| 02:12.47 | challenged | zinx: i normally just up the resolution of my computer........ |
| 02:12.49 | jme | tried just increasing the font size? |
| 02:13.02 | bltzfsck | chealer, i just re ran the nvidia Nstaller, and everything works as it should |
| 02:13.02 | Pi_ | jme: that works for gtk shit |
| 02:13.06 | Pi_ | but then kde shit is puny |
| 02:13.11 | chealer | bltzfsck: great |
| 02:13.18 | tweak | Pi_ ? |
| 02:13.20 | jme | hm |
| 02:13.20 | bltzfsck | dont' know where the dern driver went, maybe my dog ate it while i wasn't looking |
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| 02:13.24 | Pi_ | tweak: search the fucking web? |
| 02:13.31 | Pi_ | we use lunix here |
| 02:13.35 | zinx | challenged: then maybe it's because the version number is bigger? heck if i know :) |
| 02:13.40 | chealer | bltzfsck: bah, cats are worst |
| 02:13.47 | jme | Pi_: maybe change the font for kde apps using the kde theme settings or whatever |
| 02:13.59 | tweak | Pi_ I have been tyring to figure out if thats what Im looking to do. Or is that not possible? One of the boxes is linux. |
| 02:14.00 | bltzfsck | i hate hairballs in my keyboard |
| 02:14.01 | jme | i don't use any kde or qt based apps here, so i couldn't tell ya |
| 02:14.17 | challenged | zinx: what you mean rather than making the program smaller you just make it look smaller?......profit!! |
| 02:14.19 | Pi_ | jme: then when the upgrade fixes shit, all the fonts go huge and i have to revert the settings in all 3 places:/ |
| 02:14.20 | tweak | Does anybody know if using an anouymous proxy server hides your ip address? |
| 02:14.26 | cafuego | Has security.d.o done poo? |
| 02:14.28 | shingouz | bltzfsck: Just the hairballs? I hate cats in general |
| 02:14.35 | Pi_ | tweak: no, using an anonymous proxy server makes your ip address less anonymous! |
| 02:14.37 | Pi_ | retard |
| 02:14.42 | bltzfsck | i like 'em. they make great tacos |
| 02:14.46 | tweak | Pi_ so what should I use then? |
| 02:14.47 | jme | Pi_: :( |
| 02:14.50 | Pi_ | tweak: use nimp |
| 02:14.55 | Pi_ | http://cloak-an-ip.on.nimp.org/ |
| 02:14.59 | Debain\Pwns | ummm .. when my mate tries to connect on his ftp account it just stops on "Listing Directory" right after "PASV" i am using proftpd .. can anyone help? :| |
| 02:15.05 | shingouz | bltzfsck: Who are you? Gordon Shumway? ;) |
| 02:15.16 | Pi_ | Debain\Pwns: turn off passive mode in the client |
| 02:15.26 | tweak | Pi_ that wasnt very nice. |
| 02:15.28 | bltzfsck | shingouz, that one went right over my head.... |
| 02:15.35 | bltzfsck | who's gordon shumway? |
| 02:15.38 | Pi_ | tweak: boo hoo, cry me a river |
| 02:15.44 | challenged | bltzfsck: ALF |
| 02:15.46 | cafuego | bltzfsck: "Alf" |
| 02:15.47 | shingouz | bltzfsck: Grodon Shumway aka AFL |
| 02:15.49 | Debain\Pwns | Pi_ : how ?¿ in Flashfxp? |
| 02:15.52 | tweak | Pi_ just becuase you dont know doesnt mean you have to be an internet tuff guy. |
| 02:15.52 | shingouz | ALF thatis |
| 02:15.52 | bltzfsck | ah |
| 02:15.56 | Pi_ | i don't know |
| 02:16.02 | deadcat | Debain\Pwns: what channel |
| 02:16.04 | Pi_ | tweak: wrong |
| 02:16.05 | deadcat | wrong |
| 02:16.08 | bltzfsck | i was away from my teevee for a bit in those days. |
| 02:16.16 | tweak | Then tell me the answer. |
| 02:16.17 | Pi_ | tweak: i know exactly what i'm talking about, I use tor all the time |
| 02:16.20 | Pi_ | you're being a dumbfuck |
| 02:16.23 | bltzfsck | but i'm BACK NOW |
| 02:16.26 | shingouz | bltzfsck: Just the way you like cats made me wonder |
| 02:16.28 | Pi_ | search the web-intercyber |
| 02:16.31 | tweak | Sorry pi im nto a linux freak. I have a real life. |
| 02:16.37 | Pi_ | hahahahaha |
| 02:16.37 | jme | ... |
| 02:16.51 | jme | that's hilarious. |
| 02:16.53 | Pi_ | i'd feel insulted |
| 02:16.54 | adjacent | wtf, linux freaks can have real lives. we dont need your bigotry tweak |
| 02:16.56 | Pi_ | if it were insulting |
| 02:17.04 | jme | that's like, self insulting |
| 02:17.09 | challenged | real life: the time you spend on an IRC channel trying to find out about a computer problem?? |
| 02:17.11 | cafuego | adjacent: liar |
| 02:17.20 | Pi_ | he's going to talk about his girlfriend or something |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | tweak: you were already told the damn answer |
| 02:17.47 | tweak | abrotman what was it? |
| 02:17.51 | jme | ... |
| 02:17.52 | challenged | Pi_ : shes great......44psi....thats all the affection a man needs... |
| 02:17.53 | Pi_ | tweak: also research this interesting concept called sarcasm |
| 02:18.03 | jme | haha |
| 02:18.04 | Pi_ | (20:14:36) <Pi_> tweak: no, using an anonymous proxy server makes your ip address less anonymous! |
| 02:18.11 | Pi_ | ^^^ shining example |
| 02:18.14 | bltzfsck | real life is the time you spend whith Frank Zappa blaring and your head between the speakers |
| 02:18.20 | tweak | Pi so doing that is not what I want to do? |
| 02:18.31 | challenged | sarchasm: the distance between someone getting a sarcastic joke and not |
| 02:18.41 | Pi_ | (20:17:54) <Pi_> tweak: also research this interesting concept called sarcasm |
| 02:18.56 | Pi_ | SARCASM HERE ---> (20:14:36) <Pi_> tweak: no, using an anonymous proxy server makes your ip address less anonymous! <-- SARCASM HERE |
| 02:19.32 | tweak | So how do I set up a proxy? I have a proxy server IP but will it make my programs IPs register as something differnt? I go to whats my ip when I have the proxy ip entered and it still says my ip. |
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| 02:19.42 | challenged | ive always wondered how a proxy can be anonymous when everyone know where it is.. |
| 02:19.46 | Pi_ | tweak: SO USE TOR |
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| 02:20.08 | adjacent | challenged: they keep no logs, supposedly |
| 02:20.14 | tweak | Pi_ nevermind u dont have a clue. |
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| 02:20.20 | Pi_ | hahah |
| 02:20.21 | Pi_ | pwned |
| 02:20.25 | Delph | and the best thing about proxies is... if it's truely anonymous, you'll get blacklisted. |
| 02:20.48 | Pi_ | jme: well, i'll emale the xfce4 people |
| 02:20.56 | Pi_ | or maybe they have a freechode channel |
| 02:21.00 | vile_maxim | anyone know how to troubleshoot jittery video with MythTV? Card works find with tvtime, but jittery with MythTV.(?) |
| 02:21.06 | shingouz | Unless you use some poor unsuspecting lusers home computer but that is illegal |
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| 02:21.21 | abrotman | what a fucking moron |
| 02:21.24 | challenged | adjacent: so in reality im an anonymous person because i dont write logs? |
| 02:21.52 | Delph | challenged: no, because it's a known hop which doesn't record the originator... |
| 02:21.54 | adjacent | no, your anonymous because your traffic is identical to that of hundreds of other users. like a forest. |
| 02:22.42 | devserve | the anonymous masses... if only they wore glasses... |
| 02:23.10 | shingouz | devserve: If they only were brains |
| 02:23.18 | shingouz | s/were/wore |
| 02:23.31 | devserve | and didn't get sprains? |
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| 02:23.52 | shingouz | hehe... They do not strain their brains that is for sure |
| 02:24.26 | devserve | the strain of pain is mainly in the brain |
| 02:24.45 | shingouz | jfc... We have a poet here :) |
| 02:25.06 | challenged | madsen: fedora has volito working.......not sure how but its mouse0 and mouse1 in someones conf |
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| 02:25.19 | madsen | Hmm, ok... Seems like it _is_ my XF86Config that's fucked up. |
| 02:25.48 | Pi_ | lol @ root-ircing |
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| 02:26.20 | shingouz | alieas: Just so you know, thou shalt not irc as root |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | shingouz: he was already told |
| 02:26.30 | madsen | challenged: Hmm... I just found out that the only reason that the pointer moves with the pen is because my core pointer was configured to use /dev/input/mice (and the volito sent to mouse1 apparently). |
| 02:26.38 | shingouz | abrotman: I know... |
| 02:27.18 | ulitz | how do I add something to be loaded on boot? I forget the script name |
| 02:27.30 | challenged | madsen: yeah apparently they did some changes kernel wise in 2.6-5 to 2.6-8 which made some weirdness appear....not sure if this is mimiked by a deb kernel tho |
| 02:27.39 | shingouz | ulitz: man rc.d-update |
| 02:27.53 | shingouz | uhh. update-rc.d i think it was |
| 02:27.58 | dvs | yeah |
| 02:28.07 | madsen | challenged: Hmm, interesting... I'm using 2.6.8... |
| 02:28.24 | steve_ | how do i change the resoultion of the virtual terminaaals? |
| 02:28.26 | challenged | madsen: you have to have 2 input section in your xf86config-4...one for /dev/input/mice and 1 for /dev/input/mouse0 or mopuse1? |
| 02:28.59 | ulitz | thanks shingouz |
| 02:29.06 | madsen | challenged: Right now I have one for mouse0 and one for event2 (the volito). |
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| 02:29.23 | dvs | better |
| 02:29.29 | alieas | ok not root |
| 02:29.38 | alieas | i'm new to this a little |
| 02:29.38 | madsen | challenged: I had one for /dev/input/mice before (as I usually hook up a USB trackball as well as using the trackpoint). |
| 02:29.40 | Pi_ | good job |
| 02:29.46 | Pi_ | don't do anything as root unless you need it |
| 02:29.51 | alieas | right |
| 02:29.58 | madsen | alieas: What Pi_ said. :) |
| 02:30.02 | devserve | that's good advice |
| 02:30.10 | Pi_ | otherwise, it's a spacebar away from destruction |
| 02:30.15 | dvs | devserve: Tell that to Linspire |
| 02:30.31 | devserve | Linspire, you here? |
| 02:30.40 | devserve | there's no such nick! |
| 02:30.48 | alieas | i'm trying to determine what aironet drivers I have installed. Ultimately I think I need to uninstall these drivers (presumable cisco drivers) and install linux-kernal drivers does anybody here have any experience doing that? |
| 02:30.48 | madsen | alieas: In general you'll never need to log in as root with a graphical interface... |
| 02:31.04 | challenged | madsen: what version wacom driver? |
| 02:31.04 | ulitz | what should I do for runlevel in update-rc.d for ntpdate? |
| 02:31.22 | madsen | challenged: 0.6.6 I think, but let me check. |
| 02:31.27 | shingouz | ulitz: Just apt-get install ntpdate |
| 02:31.32 | ulitz | already did |
| 02:31.42 | mwilson | alieas: Unless YOU put them there, there are no drivers from Cisco installed. |
| 02:31.43 | Pi_ | it shouldhave rc-updated already then |
| 02:31.47 | shingouz | ulitz: And it did nto configure itself correctly? wow |
| 02:31.55 | alieas | my friend installed them I believe on this laptop |
| 02:32.00 | Pi_ | look in /etc/rc2.d/ntp* |
| 02:32.03 | madsen | challenged: Yup... (wacom-kernel-source 0.6.6-7) |
| 02:32.04 | ulitz | it might have but the time was off by like 30 min |
| 02:32.05 | alieas | i need to get him on the phone... |
| 02:32.13 | jme | ooh, irc conference call |
| 02:32.38 | shingouz | ulitz: Do the time manually first to get closer to the correct time, ntpdate is nto going to make any big changes |
| 02:32.39 | devserve | get him to come here if he's gonna benefit from it |
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| 02:33.01 | challenged | madsen: Build .ko locally and support kernel 2.6.10. was the changelog for 6.4-? 6.6 |
| 02:33.05 | ulitz | oh ok |
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| 02:33.26 | challenged | madsen: so it seems kernels cause wacom problems |
| 02:33.32 | madsen | challenged: Yeah, I did build .ko locally. |
| 02:33.32 | tag | anyone use beep-media-player ? |
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| 02:33.40 | ulitz | Pi_: not there but there is a S23ntp-simple |
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| 02:33.50 | madsen | challenged: Actually, I do have 2.6.11 installed - I could try that. :) |
| 02:33.52 | shingouz | ulitz: That shouldbe it |
| 02:33.57 | ulitz | alright.. thanks |
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| 02:34.31 | madsen | challenged: I'll just reboot on 2.6.11 and see how it works out. Thanks for all your help. I'll let you know how it turns out. |
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| 02:35.41 | shingouz | ....now we just have to figure out a way to get updated kernels installed completely without rebooting and we could get some decent uptimes... |
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| 02:38.03 | abrotman | shingouz: i believe that's beend one |
| 02:38.06 | abrotman | err been done |
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| 02:38.41 | shingouz | abrotman: I was thinking on doing that on a basic Sarge install. Would be too cool :) |
| 02:38.48 | madsen | challenged: Nope, still the same. :( |
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| 02:39.24 | Pi_ | abrotman: really |
| 02:39.40 | Fo | ahm, where can i change my keymap ? |
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| 02:40.08 | madsen | challenged: It's really odd, 'cause the pointer can be moved vertically (by moving the pen horizontally) and if I "draw" it can move right... But not left... |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | really what? |
| 02:40.15 | liable | Fo: reconfigure xserver |
| 02:40.17 | devserve | btw... beend one and cow orker are similar to the kind of things you can do as root to really fuck yourself up... |
| 02:41.02 | shingouz | devserve: Ben Dover the one who came up with those |
| 02:41.16 | shingouz | s/the/is the |
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| 02:43.09 | poh | Fo: xmodmap or modify /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
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| 02:44.45 | digitalfredy | yesterday i was installing debian in my PC ion the second hard drive, and the information of the partition of the first hard drive losted, someone can help my? |
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| 02:46.08 | hikenboot | anyone know why evolution would do nothing when I click on send/recieve...i find no bugs about this..and not sure how to tshoot it |
| 02:46.58 | madsen | hikenboot: perhaps monitor net activity... |
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| 02:47.24 | shimano55 | Question, What is the default device name for the cdrom drive?? /dev/<something> |
| 02:47.28 | hikenboot | good suggestion ...with what in particular would you suggest? |
| 02:47.41 | madsen | hikenboot: tcpdump or sniffit |
| 02:47.41 | hikenboot | I am using freepops |
| 02:47.43 | dvs | shimano55: It depends what port it is hooked up to |
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| 02:47.58 | shimano55 | dvs, ok..than how could I find out what it's called? |
| 02:47.58 | challenged | madsen: wacdump doing what you expect? |
| 02:47.59 | madsen | shimano55: /dev/cdrom perhaps... |
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| 02:48.15 | madsen | challenged: Depends on what I should expect it to be doing... |
| 02:48.16 | dvs | shimano55: I'm assuing that it's an IDE cdrom |
| 02:48.18 | shingouz | shimano55: dmesg |
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| 02:48.20 | liable | digitalfredy: maybe you installed on the wrong hdd |
| 02:48.26 | madsen | challenged: But my guess is "no". |
| 02:48.56 | digitalfredy | liable, no, the hard drives is new |
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| 02:49.15 | challenged | madsen: haha kk well have you tried following the howto? |
| 02:49.58 | madsen | challenged: Wait a sec... With this kernel I have a /dev/input/wacom... !!! |
| 02:50.29 | shimano55 | shingouz, madsen, dvs: Got it guys... /dev/cdrom was it |
| 02:50.31 | challenged | madsen: wow |
| 02:50.32 | liable | digitalfredy: rephrase your question, its hard to understand what you said |
| 02:50.32 | shimano55 | thankd |
| 02:50.34 | shimano55 | thanks |
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| 02:50.47 | shingouz | shimano55: ls -l /dev/cdrom and see where it points |
| 02:50.52 | dvs | shimano55: That's usually a like to something |
| 02:50.52 | madsen | challenged: But I can't wacdump it, 'cause everything in /dev/input is pwned by root. |
| 02:51.08 | dvs | s/like/link |
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| 02:51.52 | digitalfredy | liable, i have a pc whit two hard drives, |
| 02:52.03 | shimano55 | Question, Is anyone here familiar with Beep Media Player? |
| 02:52.17 | digitalfredy | liable, the first hard drive have two partitions (ntfs) |
| 02:52.29 | madsen | challenged: When I wacdump as root I only get RIGHT = DOWN flashing when I move the pen or click. |
| 02:52.52 | Nexus | If I need to uninstall a package but it wants to uninstall mysql, nagios, etc... |
| 02:53.05 | dvs | Nexus: Don't use aptitude |
| 02:53.15 | digitalfredy | liable, in the second hard drive i have 3 partitons, debian,swap,ntfs |
| 02:53.25 | jair_11 | guys, I install the acpi modules on the kernels and my computer laptop R51 still not getting complete off when I run the command halt. |
| 02:53.26 | Nexus | dvs, How do I not use it.. Not really sure what it is... |
| 02:53.29 | madsen | Nexus: apt-cache show <package> will tell you what deps it has. |
| 02:53.47 | caphuso | Nexus: what package do you think you need to uninstall? |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | Nexus: what are you trying to uninstall? |
| 02:54.07 | abrotman | i'm slow |
| 02:54.08 | jair_11 | I wonder if anyone else have had this problem before? |
| 02:54.13 | digitalfredy | liable, the second partition of the first hard drive, exist, but it had not file sistem |
| 02:54.26 | jair_11 | the computer is a R51 brand new laptop |
| 02:54.29 | abrotman | jair_11: acpid ? |
| 02:54.31 | madsen | jair_11: I do, on my R32 - but I can't fix it. :( |
| 02:54.42 | jair_11 | madsen, hahaha |
| 02:54.46 | Nexus | I wanted to install inetd as an example. |
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| 02:54.51 | Nexus | But there have been other packages in the past. |
| 02:55.00 | jair_11 | madsen, I am trying to find out why do not work |
| 02:55.12 | abrotman | Nexus: no .. what are you trying to uninstall that is trying to remove nagios and mysql |
| 02:55.16 | abrotman | and don't be vague |
| 02:55.16 | jair_11 | abrotman, yes I install the package "acpi" |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | acpid |
| 02:55.24 | madsen | jair_11: I haven't really looked into it, I just live with it. :/ |
| 02:55.28 | abrotman | notice . the 'd' |
| 02:55.37 | jair_11 | madsen, haha |
| 02:56.00 | Nexus | abrotman, inetd is trying to remove that stuff. |
| 02:56.01 | liable | digitalfredy: and it used to have stuff in it? |
| 02:56.07 | iq|laptop | Hi, I need some help. Is there a way I can reconnect to same SSH session every time I log in? So I can resume my work. thanks for help :) |
| 02:56.16 | abrotman | Nexus: why the fuck would you try to uninstall inetd? |
| 02:56.39 | jair_11 | madsen, I do not really where to find an answer it have to be a answer for that |
| 02:56.43 | anto9us | iq|laptop: put it in a script |
| 02:56.45 | madsen | iq|laptop: 'screen' |
| 02:56.52 | shingouz | iq|laptop: apt-get install screen |
| 02:56.55 | jair_11 | because I have seen other distros base on debian and they works just fine |
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| 02:57.04 | Nexus | abrotman, Cause I don't use it? |
| 02:57.12 | digitalfredy | liable, i don't understand your answer |
| 02:57.13 | abrotman | Nexus: apparently you do ... |
| 02:57.14 | onre | is there some reason to run inetd? it's 2005 and ssh runs as a daemon. |
| 02:57.16 | iq|laptop | anto9us, madsen, shingouz, thanks :) |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | Nexus: do you use mysql ? |
| 02:57.25 | abrotman | jair_11: apt-get install acpi acpid |
| 02:57.26 | Nexus | abrotman, Yes, I do. |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | Nexus: then .. you use inetd |
| 02:57.36 | madsen | jair_11: Mine used to work but it suddenly stopped working. |
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| 02:57.40 | liable | digitalfredy: thats ok, I dont understand the question still :( |
| 02:57.52 | Nexus | abrotman, Interesting. I thought if I was running things as daemons, I didn't need it? |
| 02:57.55 | abrotman | Nexus: i'm pretty sure mysqld runs from inetd |
| 02:58.07 | abrotman | but .. i avoid mysql like herpes |
| 02:58.13 | liable | digitalfredy: I was with you untill the last comment, was waiting for another line |
| 02:58.15 | Nexus | *laugh* |
| 02:58.15 | madsen | abrotman: Actually, I think that's optional... |
| 02:58.19 | Nexus | Why? Is it taht bad? |
| 02:58.22 | onre | i don't think it runs from inetd |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:58.26 | abrotman | anyways |
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| 02:58.36 | abrotman | Nexus: don't uninstall inetd .. too many things depend on it |
| 02:58.49 | madsen | challenged: Have you had wacom tablets working on Linux? |
| 02:58.52 | Nexus | Alright. Sounds good. |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | Nexus: it doesnt' take up much space ... and if you really want to stop the stuff .. just comment it out |
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| 03:00.03 | liable | digitalfredy: whats your native language |
| 03:00.23 | abrotman | wait . there is no inetd package |
| 03:00.29 | challenged | madsen: a graphire about 2 years ago....so yes but never got too much graphics stuff |
| 03:00.38 | challenged | madsen: the ex is the artist |
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| 03:00.52 | w4rl0ck | default of fsck is ext2 ? |
| 03:00.52 | digitalfredy | liable, spanish |
| 03:00.59 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:00.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:01.07 | shimano55 | Question, Does anyone know what the command line for an mp3 encoder is? |
| 03:01.17 | madsen | challenged: Oh. |
| 03:01.21 | shimano55 | becuase the ripper that I have doesn't come with an mp3 encoder |
| 03:01.55 | liable | digitalfredy: try there, you will prolly get better help |
| 03:01.59 | madsen | shimano55: What ripper are you using? |
| 03:02.06 | madsen | shimano55: And why not use ogg? |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | liable: what's your native language? |
| 03:02.31 | shimano55 | madsen, Aren't mp3's better? I'm using KAudioCreator |
| 03:02.40 | liable | abrotman: slang |
| 03:02.49 | abrotman | right |
| 03:03.03 | challenged | madsen: so your unable to get the tablet to go left right up down properly yah? |
| 03:03.07 | madsen | shimano55: No, definitely not Ogg is smaller and sounds better. |
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| 03:03.21 | digitalfredy | i installed debian on the second hard drive, but naw a parionf of the first hard drive have not format |
| 03:03.28 | madsen | challenged: Yeah, basically... It responds - but it responds better. |
| 03:03.29 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:03.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:03.33 | digitalfredy | liable, i installed debian on the second hard drive, but naw a parionf of the first hard drive have not format |
| 03:03.35 | abrotman | digitalfredy: ^^ |
| 03:03.38 | sussudio | madsen: that's just your opinion. |
| 03:04.10 | madsen | sussudio: Well, if you use CBR mp3 and VBR Ogg, then it's pretty close to a factual fact. |
| 03:04.12 | shimano55 | madsen, sounds good then..thanks |
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| 03:04.14 | sussudio | ogg is not better than mp3's ripped with LAME at higher bitrates. |
| 03:04.15 | onre | well, some people like distortion. |
| 03:04.26 | sussudio | !tell Mariele about away |
| 03:04.27 | jair_11 | abrotman, I did that and couple of other tries too. |
| 03:04.28 | abrotman | !tell Mariele about away |
| 03:04.33 | sussudio | !win me |
| 03:04.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, sussudio! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:04.40 | madsen | shimano55: If you only need to use the songs on your computer you're way better off with ogg. |
| 03:04.41 | abrotman | !prize sussudio |
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| 03:06.08 | jair_11 | I don;t know if I should compile the packages ->ibm-acpi.tar.gz thinkpad.tar.gz ? |
| 03:06.26 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.28 | challenged | madsen: dmsg reports the driver etc right? |
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| 03:06.48 | challenged | madsen: soemthing like drivers/usb/input/wacom.c: v1.40 - 2.6.6-dwb-0.1:USB Wacom Graphire and Wacom Intuos tablet driver |
| 03:07.04 | madsen | challenged: Yup |
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| 03:08.11 | madsen | challenged: But I think it thinks it's a mouse or something. (I got usbmouse loaded for my trackball.) |
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| 03:09.41 | madsen | challenged: Hmm, interesting... If I unload the usbmouse module it seems to work... (?) |
| 03:09.45 | challenged | madsen: maybee something important......open the file /etc/hotplug/blacklist and add a new line with "evdev", this make sure the hotplug system doesn't load the evdev for the tablet but insted lets the wacom module load it. |
| 03:10.18 | Nexus | How do I force reinstall of a package? |
| 03:10.40 | themolester | anyone worked with channel bonding? |
| 03:10.42 | madsen | challenged: Uh, I think that's already solved, but I'll remember it. :) |
| 03:10.54 | themolester | what are the requirements on the switch? |
| 03:10.59 | madsen | Nexus: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
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| 03:10.59 | themolester | do you set up an etherchannel? |
| 03:11.10 | madsen | challenged: I'm testing it now. :) |
| 03:11.15 | Nexus | madsen, Dang. I was so close. Thank you. |
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| 03:12.14 | madsen | challenged: Hmm, presure sensitivity doesn't work, but otherwise it seems to work fine... :) |
| 03:12.55 | iq|laptop | I'm trying to add a new user that will have same access as root. I tried 'adduser' but it does not give root equilant access to it. can you help? |
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| 03:13.02 | challenged | madsen: unbutu have a few people working on volitos....heres the fixups they are doing to try make it work in hoary..http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:-ApXRr6N-ZcJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WacomTabletIssue+wacom+volito+linux+xf86Config&hl=en&client=firefox |
| 03:13.13 | liable | jair_11: they are in the newer kernels, have tried disabling all apm stuff in bios |
| 03:13.43 | madsen | challenged: Ok! Thanks a _bunch_ for all your help. :) |
| 03:14.15 | Pi_ | iq|laptop: just install sudo |
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| 03:14.47 | iq|laptop | Pi_, sorry, I'm not much aware... could you explain a little. thanks :) |
| 03:15.03 | Pi_ | iq|laptop: sudo lets you control root level access |
| 03:15.16 | Pi_ | apt-get install sudo |
| 03:15.45 | Pi_ | echo "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers |
| 03:15.50 | Pi_ | lets user execute anything as root |
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| 03:16.11 | Pi_ | user provides HIS passwords, not roots |
| 03:16.49 | iq|laptop | Pi_, thanks a lot :) |
| 03:17.28 | Jamsi | iq|laptop, the user must type-> sudo -u root /bin/bash |
| 03:17.42 | Pi_ | iq|laptop: or, sudo su - |
| 03:17.55 | challenged | madsen: pressure sensitivity may be something to do with the option.... Option "PressCurve" "0,0,100,100" |
| 03:18.13 | iq|laptop | Jamsi, Pi_: thanks again guys. you are the best :) |
| 03:18.14 | madsen | challenged: :) |
| 03:18.19 | Jamsi | Pi_ well you learn something new every day ;) |
| 03:18.34 | jair_11 | liable, hmm not what do you mean? |
| 03:18.45 | jair_11 | liable, in the bios I have to disable apm things? |
| 03:18.46 | Pi_ | Jamsi: sudo su - sets up the root environment more like a root login |
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| 03:18.58 | Jamsi | Pi_, so I see |
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| 03:19.12 | liable | jair_11: the ibm-acpi module is in newer kernels, not sure but I think >2.6.10 |
| 03:19.21 | Pi_ | path mostly |
| 03:19.23 | Pi_ | :) |
| 03:19.24 | challenged | madsen: thats in xf86Config of course 8) |
| 03:19.34 | karsten | challenged: Ick. |
| 03:19.43 | madsen | challenged: I know. :) |
| 03:20.10 | liable | jair_11: look in your bios for screen blanking and that crap, turn it all off, if you use acpi |
| 03:20.40 | madsen | challenged: Funny thing is - the volito isn't mentioned at all in my XF86Config-4 yet... I commented it all out before rebooting on 2.6.11... (?) |
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| 03:21.12 | jair_11 | liable, ohh in my laptop bios |
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| 03:21.39 | jair_11 | liable, that will probably fix the turn off complete of my laptop? |
| 03:21.53 | bykte | how comes my sendmail automatically starts for no reason? |
| 03:21.53 | bykte | smmsp 30242 0.0 0.0 4940 2176 ? D 23:20 0:00 sendmail: MSP: ./j3U9A4Pq002562 [127.0.0.1]: user open |
| 03:22.36 | liable | jair_11: do you have apmd installed? |
| 03:23.20 | challenged | madsen: yeah apparently in the 2.6.10+ they all autoconfigure as a mouse using usbmouse |
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| 03:24.05 | Leonardo_Lopes | exit |
| 03:24.05 | jair_11 | liable, what is that? |
| 03:24.08 | bykte | anyone? |
| 03:24.29 | maher | bykte: maybe its trying to deliver your mail |
| 03:24.34 | madsen | challenged_AFK: which is bad, 'cause that shouldn't happen... But hey, it seems to work now. Just need to fine tune it a little! Thanks again! :) |
| 03:24.36 | liable | jair_11: for apm calls, try 'dpkg -L apmd' |
| 03:24.50 | bykte | maher, i dont use sendmail at all |
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| 03:25.04 | bykte | i just close the process a few days ago and now it's always starts by iteself |
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| 03:25.12 | jair_11 | liable, ok |
| 03:25.17 | maher | bykte: what do you use for local mail delivery |
| 03:25.17 | Pi_ | postfix winzors yuo |
| 03:25.42 | bykte | maher, the dedi svr is not even use as a smtp server |
| 03:25.46 | madclicker | can someone tell me about "www-data" group and should this group have a rw access for /var/www directory? |
| 03:26.10 | maher | bykte: but when cron fails and sends an email error do you want it delivered? |
| 03:26.44 | bykte | bykte, no |
| 03:26.45 | bykte | i dont |
| 03:26.45 | maher | madclicker: www-data is the apache user |
| 03:26.49 | bykte | how do i check on that? |
| 03:26.56 | maher | bykte: remove sendmail then |
| 03:27.04 | bykte | ok |
| 03:27.05 | liable | jair_11: is it installed? |
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| 03:27.24 | maher | bykte: try to avoid removing most of your system with it |
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| 03:27.35 | iq|laptop | I got sudo working... :) |
| 03:27.39 | bykte | Maher |
| 03:27.40 | madclicker | maher: thank you |
| 03:27.40 | bykte | but then |
| 03:27.46 | bykte | they say i have to uninstall apache |
| 03:27.49 | bykte | to remove sendmail |
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| 03:28.08 | maher | bykte: you almost certainly want local mail delivery even if you think you don't |
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| 03:28.26 | iq|laptop | is there any way I can make it permanent? Like everytime I log in as "iq" system should treat me as 'root' ? |
| 03:28.37 | bykte | maher, what for? |
| 03:28.40 | jair_11 | liable, I don't think so |
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| 03:28.44 | bykte | i dont even use that system to send a single email |
| 03:28.45 | maher | bykte: cron errors etc |
| 03:28.50 | jair_11 | nothing happend just told me som info |
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| 03:28.55 | liable | jair_11: what did the dpkg command say |
| 03:28.55 | caphuso | iq|laptop: stupid idea |
| 03:29.10 | jair_11 | use dpkg --info... |
| 03:29.16 | iq|laptop | caphuso, really :( ... |
| 03:29.47 | liable | jair_11: dpkg -L apmd |
| 03:30.14 | madsen | iq|laptop: That's as bad as logging in as root. (!) |
| 03:30.19 | bykte | maher, its ok |
| 03:30.25 | bykte | i did a apt-get remove sendmail already |
| 03:30.37 | iq|laptop | caphuso, actually, root password is really too long and very hard to remember. every time I have to look in the manual and get the password. and it is like that for 3 machines. all of them have different passwords... |
| 03:30.41 | liable | jair_11: should tell you whether its installed or not |
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| 03:30.58 | karsten | iq|laptop: sudo has a password timeout. It's configurable, but the standard is that you only have to type your password ~ every 5 minutes. |
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| 03:31.03 | iq|laptop | madsen, they gave me 'root' access only. so if it is as bad as logging in as root then I think it is ok :) |
| 03:31.30 | bykte | anyway to max the bandwidth for the internet on debian? any special settings? |
| 03:31.37 | madsen | iq|laptop: No, root access is _always_ bad... 'root' should only be used when it's absolutely necessary. Not for everyday tasks. |
| 03:31.59 | karsten | bykte: Clarify your question. Max how? |
| 03:32.03 | furrywolf | argh. too many people kill their bittorrent client as soon as the download finishes, rather than staying around to seed... am I the only person on the planet who tries to make sure I upload at least as much as I download? |
| 03:32.12 | bykte | like maximised, leech the bandwidth as much as possible |
| 03:32.15 | iq|laptop | Okay. I think you guys are right. I'll try to memorize all 3 passwords :) |
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| 03:32.26 | karsten | bykte: What kind of connection? |
| 03:32.40 | bykte | cable? |
| 03:32.43 | karsten | iq|laptop: I think you want to know about sudo and ssh-agent. |
| 03:32.50 | jair_11 | liable, this is what it say, I will send it in pastebin |
| 03:32.58 | shimano55 | Question, Is there a more advanced Volume Controller than just the one bar for main? |
| 03:33.04 | liable | jair_11: ok |
| 03:33.04 | jair_11 | actually it say is not installed |
| 03:33.04 | iq|laptop | karsten, I'll read about 'ssh-agent' |
| 03:33.11 | jair_11 | liable, you are right |
| 03:33.13 | jair_11 | is not installed |
| 03:33.22 | karsten | bykte: your connection is automatically negotiated at the highest possible rate. If you want to minimize the data you're transfering, you might want to set up a caching proxy. |
| 03:33.52 | liable | jair_11: ok, well that stuffed that idea then, try disabling it all in bios anyway, might help. |
| 03:34.04 | karsten | bykte: Squid for WWW. apt-proxy for apt. Former means you're not re-pulling repetitive data. For single user you shave ~20% nominally. apt-proxy makes sense if you've got multiple systems you're updating. |
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| 03:34.37 | _gentgeen_ | I am trying to figure out this script, -- one line has "test ! -e /mnt/backup/$current/*full.tar.gz; then " what does the ! mean? |
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| 03:34.51 | karsten | iq|laptop: ssh-agent is useful for ssh connections to remote hosts w/out continuously reentering passwords. Particularly w/ RSAKey authentication. |
| 03:34.58 | karsten | _gentgeen_: man test |
| 03:34.59 | bykte | karsten, apt-proxy is only for www stuff right? |
| 03:35.10 | jair_11 | liable, but did you ever have that situation? |
| 03:35.15 | karsten | bykte: No, apt-proxy is for your debian packages. |
| 03:35.33 | liable | jair_11: yes, long ago when I tried red hat |
| 03:35.45 | bykte | karsten, i mean the caching stuff |
| 03:35.51 | karsten | bykte: Eg: you have six systems on your LAN, all debian. You have one connection. You have apt-proxy. You only d/l one copy of a package, the proxy caches it, other systems pull from there. |
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| 03:35.59 | karsten | bykte: No, any supported transport. ftp or ssh. |
| 03:35.59 | jair_11 | liable, where you run the command "halt or shutdown -h now" or any other to turn off the computer, and the battery still running and the fan too, even when you disconnect the electricity. |
| 03:36.03 | karsten | bykte: s/ssh/http/ |
| 03:36.24 | liable | jair_11: ^^ |
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| 03:36.38 | _gentgeen_ | karsten, ok, so it means if false. thanks. |
| 03:37.13 | liable | jair_11: what kernel you using on it? |
| 03:37.18 | bykte | karsten, oh ok |
| 03:38.00 | jair_11 | liable, 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 03:38.58 | _gentgeen_ | The script is producing an error, "line 98: -e: command not found" |
| 03:39.08 | _gentgeen_ | and line 98 is "if test `date +%A` = "Sunday" && ! -e "/mnt/backup/$directoryname"; then" |
| 03:39.18 | _gentgeen_ | anyone see the error?? |
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| 03:40.21 | liable | jair_11: poke around in bios, out of ideas :( |
| 03:41.24 | karsten | _gentgeen_: Yes. '-e' is test for existence. '!' is negation. So: if not exists (file|pipe|directory|link|etc) ... |
| 03:41.35 | jair_11 | liable, ok |
| 03:41.36 | jair_11 | thanks |
| 03:41.37 | devserve | _gentgeen_: evidently "-e" is being taken as a command |
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| 03:42.24 | devserve | like cat or grep are commands |
| 03:42.59 | _gentgeen_ | devserve, right, I just don't know why -- not great on scipts yet :-) |
| 03:43.21 | maher | _gentgeen_: probably want a test in front of the -e |
| 03:43.51 | devserve | if you don't find out here, info bash is definitive (and much better than the man page, which is typically incomplete, less maintained and out of date |
| 03:43.53 | devserve | ) |
| 03:43.53 | _gentgeen_ | so that line is say "if is is Sunday, and the /mnt/backup/$directoryname does not exist do" |
| 03:43.57 | _gentgeen_ | am I reading that right? |
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| 03:44.30 | devserve | well, the point is, is the shell reading it right |
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| 03:45.05 | _gentgeen_ | right, I guess that accually is my problem, just want to make sure I am reading the line properly |
| 03:45.11 | devserve | in the shell, the if is taking the next thing as a command |
| 03:45.39 | devserve | and if the exit status is success (i.e., 0) then the if succeeds, fails otherwise |
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| 03:46.06 | devserve | understand that part? |
| 03:46.44 | madsen | Hmm, how do I make a "middle button" act as a right button on an input device? (I only has two buttons and I don't want the 2nd button to behave as middle click.) |
| 03:46.53 | madsen | s/I only/It only/ |
| 03:46.54 | devserve | for example you can say things like if grep -q "somepattern" somefile; then echo yes; fi |
| 03:47.41 | devserve | and the thing the "if" responds to is the -exit status- of the grep command |
| 03:47.50 | devserve | understand that part? |
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| 03:48.11 | _gentgeen_ | yes |
| 03:48.11 | dondelelcaro | madsen: turn on chording, and make sure you've got a two button mouse selected, and the buttons assigned properly. |
| 03:48.13 | _gentgeen_ | yes |
| 03:48.55 | jair_11 | how do I know what version of driver ipw2100 I am using to install the firmware correct version of the wireless centrino |
| 03:48.57 | jair_11 | ? |
| 03:49.07 | devserve | ok, here's the next thing: [ foo ] is shell-parsed syntatic sugar for test foo |
| 03:49.50 | devserve | test is just a command which returns success (0) or fail (not 0) |
| 03:50.13 | devserve | and has its own syntax implemented by how it parses its parameters |
| 03:50.39 | devserve | so... an understanding of test is what is probably in order here. |
| 03:50.48 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Hmm, could you explain it a bit more thorough? 'Cause I'm afraid I didn't understand. |
| 03:50.50 | devserve | man test for details :) |
| 03:50.56 | caphuso | "test foo" is also "shell-parsed syntactic sugar" |
| 03:51.14 | madsen | dondelelcaro: It's my Wacom Volito tablet that won't behave... |
| 03:52.11 | devserve | caphuso: on the level I'm speaking, it's actually the base behavior |
| 03:52.58 | devserve | there exists a command called test (/usr/bin/test) which implements its own expression syntax |
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| 03:53.29 | caphuso | devserve: and which is never used |
| 03:53.37 | caphuso | well, almost never |
| 03:53.43 | furrywolf | madsen: I have a fair bit of experience with wacom tablets... what's the question? |
| 03:53.50 | devserve | if you zoom out though, you see that if [ foo ] is only slightly more sugary than if test foo |
| 03:54.29 | devserve | caphuso: I tend to believe it's used more often than never :) support: it can. |
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| 03:54.35 | madsen | furrywolf: Everything seems to work fine except that pressure sensitivity and the button on the pen behaves as button2 instead of button3. |
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| 03:54.52 | furrywolf | did you install the linuxwacom drivers? |
| 03:54.58 | furrywolf | what kernel version? |
| 03:55.11 | caphuso | devserve: when was the last time you used or have seen someone using /usr/bin/test? |
| 03:55.16 | devserve | but caphuso, the conversation with you is a digression and is not helping anyone |
| 03:55.28 | devserve | I've done it |
| 03:56.09 | madsen | furrywolf: I'm using the native module on kernel 2.6.11 |
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| 03:56.19 | sussudio | !shave furrywolf |
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| 03:56.29 | EL_Chupanibre | lol |
| 03:56.34 | madsen | furrywolf: I tried the wacom-kernel-source on 2.6.7 but to absolutely no avail. |
| 03:56.45 | dondelelcaro | devserve: you're forgetting the fact that in many shells test is a builtin, so [ ] and test blah blah; are equivalent. |
| 03:56.59 | furrywolf | madsen: in /proc/bus/input/devices, which handlers are listed for the tablet? |
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| 03:57.31 | devserve | dondelelcaro: I think they're equivalent in either case, but again, digression, not helping |
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| 03:57.45 | madsen | furrywolf: mouse2, event3 and ts2 (and there's a /dev/input/wacom that points at event3). |
| 03:57.57 | pipeline | shell programming is something you do when you have no other choice whatsoever |
| 03:58.12 | furrywolf | madsen: you're going to need to do the less-easy linuxwacom installation. :) |
| 03:58.13 | pipeline | in which case, you should be restricting yourself to POSIX/bourne or ksh88 |
| 03:58.20 | devserve | original basic even?! |
| 03:58.26 | madsen | furrywolf: AAARRRGGHHHH!!!!! |
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| 03:58.38 | furrywolf | letting the mouse driver talk to it, even though it's supposed to ignore it, seems to still kill pressure sensativity... |
| 03:58.50 | madsen | furrywolf: Sucks! |
| 03:58.52 | dondelelcaro | devserve: unfortunatly not. regardless, I'm not sure what your original question is in the first place. |
| 03:59.05 | madsen | furrywolf: So, if I unload usbmouse then I'm golden or...? |
| 03:59.20 | devserve | the question is not mine; I was trying to help someone |
| 03:59.34 | madsen | furrywolf: Right now I have a USB trackball connected... |
| 03:59.44 | bltzfsck | i finally got the nvidia driver working on my box. is there a free 3d game i can download just to see how it works? |
| 03:59.51 | furrywolf | only way I've found to make it work is the "manual" installation, by copying all the .c files from linuxwacom-whatever/src/2.6.11/ over their counterparts in the kernel source and recompiling the kernel. |
| 03:59.56 | chealer | bltzfsck: tuxracer, neverball |
| 04:00.14 | madsen | furrywolf: No! Not kernel-compilation! I _hate_ that! |
| 04:00.23 | caphuso | _gentgeen_: use -a not && |
| 04:00.24 | bltzfsck | chealer, ok, i've done tuxracer |
| 04:00.29 | bltzfsck | neverball? |
| 04:00.37 | furrywolf | madsen: only way I've gotten it to work. I've heard of other people getting it to work other ways though, but I don't know them. :) |
| 04:00.46 | madsen | furrywolf: Hang on a sec.! |
| 04:00.47 | bltzfsck | are all the first person shooters retail now? |
| 04:00.58 | furrywolf | input: Wacom Intuos 9x12 on usb-0000:00:07.3-2.2 |
| 04:00.58 | furrywolf | input: Wacom Intuos 4x5 on usb-0000:00:07.3-2.3 |
| 04:00.58 | furrywolf | input: Wacom Intuos 6x8 on usb-0000:00:07.3-2.4 |
| 04:01.06 | furrywolf | good news is it works once it's done. :) |
| 04:01.23 | _gentgeen_ | Then change the line to: if test `date +%A` = "Sunday" -a ! -e "/mnt/backup/$directoryname"; then |
| 04:01.26 | bltzfsck | i downloaded wolfenstein years ago i think |
| 04:01.27 | _gentgeen_ | ?? |
| 04:01.28 | madsen | furrywolf: Hmm... |
| 04:01.31 | pipeline | bltzfsck: enemy territory and etfgame.com are your friend. |
| 04:01.32 | bltzfsck | but now you buy it |
| 04:01.33 | devserve | _gentgeen_: one thing that might be helpful is to see how you might combine two commands in an if test... for example, if grep -q foo bar.txt (what would you put here to mean "and"?) test foo; then ... |
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| 04:02.01 | Bac9 | devserve: && |
| 04:02.01 | bltzfsck | k |
| 04:02.06 | bltzfsck | thansk fellers |
| 04:02.16 | madsen | furrywolf: What about http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacomnosrc ? |
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| 04:03.17 | furrywolf | madsen: might work. can't hurt to try it. :) |
| 04:03.19 | _gentgeen_ | devserve, logic tells me "&" -- but then & also means "run these two commands at the same time" |
| 04:03.35 | madsen | furrywolf: Ok! I'll give it a whack once I've gotten some sleep. :) |
| 04:03.36 | Bac9 | _gentgeen_: && |
| 04:03.40 | devserve | _gentgeen_: the point I'm trying to make is the shell is exhibiting different depths here; you see the && is used to combine two commands |
| 04:03.41 | furrywolf | I always just compile kernels from scratch anyway, so just copying the files isn't a problem. :) |
| 04:03.46 | caphuso | Bac9: NO |
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| 04:03.50 | _gentgeen_ | right |
| 04:03.52 | caphuso | it's -a, not && |
| 04:03.54 | madsen | furrywolf: I might get back to you on this topic later. Hope it's ok. :) |
| 04:04.07 | Bac9 | caphuso: that's for 'test' not for 'if' |
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| 04:04.20 | caphuso | Bac9: exactly |
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| 04:04.34 | Bac9 | caphuso: were they not showing an example of pure 'if'? |
| 04:04.39 | furrywolf | madsen: glad to help, but ask in the channel, not message me. |
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| 04:04.50 | caphuso | if test `date +%A` = "Sunday" -a ! - |
| 04:04.51 | caphuso | e "/mnt/backup/$directoryname"; then |
| 04:04.58 | madsen | furrywolf: Of course. :) And thanks! |
| 04:05.16 | devserve | whereas what you had before, you wanted to use && to combine two test expressions |
| 04:05.22 | Bac9 | caphuso: in your example you're using 'test' and not a pure 'if' |
| 04:05.40 | caphuso | Bac9: i'm solving his problem, not giving random examples |
| 04:05.53 | devserve | looks like the && terminated the test |
| 04:06.01 | furrywolf | Volito are ultra-discount tablets, right? do they have an erasing pen? |
| 04:06.08 | Bac9 | caphuso: "there is more then one way to skin a cat" as the saying goes |
| 04:06.18 | caphuso | devserve: of course. it's not supposed to do anything else |
| 04:06.19 | devserve | as evidenced by the fact that the shell expected a -command- after && |
| 04:06.20 | bykte | poor cat, unfortunately, the cats lives one |
| 04:06.28 | madsen | furrywolf: Nope, they don't and yes, they're the cheap models. |
| 04:06.44 | furrywolf | not having an eraser or a mouse makes the X config about 1/3rd the size. :) |
| 04:06.57 | devserve | here's one way to use &&... |
| 04:07.13 | madsen | furrywolf: I know, I can do with just the stylus config, right? |
| 04:07.18 | deadcat | what you guys trying to do with && or -a ? |
| 04:07.23 | furrywolf | my X config has a total of 15 wacom devices in it. :) |
| 04:07.30 | madsen | furrywolf: lol! |
| 04:07.32 | _gentgeen_ | Well, as you all have been discussing, I tried running the scipt with -a instead of && |
| 04:07.49 | furrywolf | I had to create extra event devices as the default debian install only makes 4 of them... |
| 04:07.56 | furrywolf | and other fun things. :) |
| 04:07.56 | madsen | furrywolf: haha |
| 04:08.00 | Bac9 | _gentgeen_: -a is when you use 'test' and && is when you do not use 'test' |
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| 04:08.02 | _gentgeen_ | NO error, and it did what I thought it should |
| 04:08.16 | caphuso | surprise, surprise |
| 04:08.32 | madsen | furrywolf: Do you know of any list of the Options for the devices in XF86Config? |
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| 04:08.41 | furrywolf | madsen: what I want is an intuos3... I want those little pad slider thingies. :) |
| 04:08.46 | _me_ | whats the difference between DAO and DAO/96 when burning an iso? |
| 04:08.56 | furrywolf | madsen: it's in the linuxwacom FAQ. just copy+paste the example stylus config and start from there. |
| 04:09.03 | madsen | furrywolf: ? Never heard of those? |
| 04:09.09 | madsen | furrywolf: Way ahead of you. :) |
| 04:09.10 | devserve | if test `date +%A` = "Sunday" && test ! -e "/mnt/backup/$directoryname" then ... |
| 04:09.13 | deadcat | && is like "and then do the following command", -a is "var1 = a AND var2 = b" |
| 04:09.35 | devserve | here's the same thing with some sugar: |
| 04:09.40 | furrywolf | the latest Intuos tablet has little touchpad-type slide strips on it, so you can hold the pen in one hand, and use the little slide-strips with your other hand to adjust size, opacity, whatever. |
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| 04:10.07 | madsen | deadcat: Actually, one && two is: if 'one' exits succesfully, then do 'two'. |
| 04:10.11 | devserve | if [ `date +%A` = "Sunday" ] && [ ! -e "/mnt/backup/$directoryname" ] ; then ... |
| 04:10.20 | deadcat | madsen: ya |
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| 04:11.06 | devserve | deadcat: yes, but it;s also "don't do it if the prev command "failed" |
| 04:11.06 | madsen | furrywolf: Cool! |
| 04:11.11 | devserve | " |
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| 04:11.27 | Fluten | the pcmcia compact flash adapter i'm using copies to 1.3GB, and then stops |
| 04:11.28 | furrywolf | madsen: problem is they cost an arm and a leg... |
| 04:11.37 | madsen | furrywolf: Hehe, I can imagine. |
| 04:11.41 | Fluten | would this be a limitation in linux, or the adapter? |
| 04:11.48 | madsen | furrywolf: What kind of graphics do you do? |
| 04:11.51 | deadcat | Fluten: what fs? |
| 04:12.00 | bltzfsck | holy CRAP! neverball makes me VOMIT |
| 04:12.06 | bltzfsck | i get SEASICK |
| 04:12.07 | jair_11 | how do i know the version of the IPW2100 driver I am using to select the right firmware? |
| 04:12.12 | furrywolf | madsen: I don't do much, only a bit of random web design, etc... what I want to do is learn to draw. |
| 04:12.13 | devserve | what';s a neverball? |
| 04:12.21 | jair_11 | I am configuring the centrino wireless |
| 04:12.22 | deadcat | jair_11: dpkg -l |grep ipw2100 |
| 04:12.24 | _gentgeen_ | Well, when I did if [ `date +%A` = "Sunday" ] && [ ! -e "/mnt/backup/$directoryname" ] ; then |
| 04:12.26 | bltzfsck | axe these guys, they told me to get it |
| 04:12.26 | madsen | furrywolf: Hehe, me too. :) |
| 04:12.29 | bltzfsck | wowza |
| 04:12.31 | jair_11 | deadcat, thank you my friend |
| 04:12.32 | _gentgeen_ | I got line 101: test: too many arguments |
| 04:12.55 | Fluten | deadcat, vfat |
| 04:13.05 | deadcat | Fluten: is it a fat problem? |
| 04:13.05 | _gentgeen_ | When I did if test `date +%A` = "Sunday" -a ! -e "/mnt/backup/$directoryname"; then |
| 04:13.06 | madclicker | anyone here knows how to encrypt plain text passwords for mysql? |
| 04:13.13 | _gentgeen_ | the correct thing seemed to have happend |
| 04:13.23 | _gentgeen_ | s/happend/happened |
| 04:13.25 | furrywolf | madsen: you might want to try finding a 6x8 tablet... by far my favorite size. 4x5 is too little and imprecise, while 9x12 takes up the entire desk and makes your wrist sore moving your hand all over it... |
| 04:13.27 | jair_11 | deadcat, it shows me the source 1.1.0-1 |
| 04:13.28 | deadcat | madsen: rot13 |
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| 04:13.44 | deadcat | madclicker: rot13 |
| 04:13.55 | Fluten | deadcat, the card came pre-formatted as 2GB, and my camera has written more stuff to it fine, just i can't get it to accept any more when it's connected to the machine using the pcmcia adapter |
| 04:14.00 | jair_11 | deadcat, but I need to look for the right firmware for it? this are the versions http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 04:14.01 | devserve | _gentgeen_: oh, ok... so you got it... but: note that there are two tests... see which one is the problem |
| 04:14.09 | madsen | furrywolf: Hehe, I can't afford anything better than this Volito. |
| 04:14.10 | deadcat | Fluten: ah. |
| 04:14.11 | jair_11 | deadcat, I do not see 1.1.0-1 |
| 04:14.20 | devserve | you can also take the ! out, I think |
| 04:14.24 | madsen | furrywolf: And with a little zooming it's not that bad for beginning. :) |
| 04:14.26 | furrywolf | madsen: I have surprisingly little invested in these tablets... ebay. :) |
| 04:14.36 | madsen | furrywolf: Oh! :) |
| 04:15.26 | devserve | if [ `date +%A` = "Sunday" ] && ! [ -e "/mnt/backup/$directoryname" ] ; then ... |
| 04:15.26 | deadcat | jair_11: test them all. i dont know . donthave centrino |
| 04:15.26 | jair_11 | deadcat, I am confuse |
| 04:15.26 | _gentgeen_ | devserve, yep, got it working. I'm sure I will come back to this later when I got some time and see what happens :-) |
| 04:15.26 | jair_11 | deadcat, ok |
| 04:15.26 | _gentgeen_ | thanks a mill |
| 04:15.26 | jair_11 | thank you though |
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| 04:15.31 | devserve | you got a small look into how deep the shell really is |
| 04:15.34 | madsen | furrywolf: Ok, compiled the wacom-kernel-source for 2.6.11, time to test it... |
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| 04:15.46 | devserve | it might have been worth your time :) |
| 04:16.10 | furrywolf | madsen: a total of about $110 for all three... 4x5, 6x8, and 9x12 USB Intuos tablets (intuos having the tilt sensitivity and other fun features). |
| 04:16.38 | madsen | furrywolf: Nice! I paid like $85 for this volito. :( |
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| 04:17.02 | furrywolf | and, of course, have the 4d mouse (the one that knows which way it's facing and has a spring-loaded thumbwheel), etc. :) |
| 04:17.08 | _gentgeen_ | devserve, moving the ! outside the [ ] did it also. SOoooo -a or && with brakets seems to do the trick |
| 04:17.20 | _gentgeen_ | again, thanks to everyone for the quicky lesson :-0 |
| 04:17.23 | _gentgeen_ | :-) |
| 04:17.29 | caphuso | [ foo -a bar ] works too |
| 04:17.35 | caphuso | as does test foo && test bar |
| 04:17.51 | furrywolf | madsen: ouch. where abouts are you? I think only in the UK do they make you pay that much. :) |
| 04:18.06 | devserve | _gentgeen_: probably what's happening is ! is not the right thing for test? could be -n? |
| 04:18.07 | madsen | furrywolf: Denmark too apparently. :/ |
| 04:18.07 | _gentgeen_ | :-) |
| 04:18.12 | devserve | no, that's something else |
| 04:18.39 | _gentgeen_ | !beer #debian |
| 04:19.16 | furrywolf | madsen: at least the Graphire series ($99 in most stores) has an eraser on the back of the pen, and comes with a mouse. :) |
| 04:19.46 | disasm | mmmm yuengling... i forgot to stop at w r hickeys on the way home to pick up a case, doh! |
| 04:20.11 | furrywolf | brb |
| 04:20.38 | _gentgeen_ | furrywolf, going to get disasm that Yuengling? :-) |
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| 04:22.36 | Pi_ | aha |
| 04:22.37 | Pi_ | fixed it. |
| 04:22.40 | furrywolf | gentgeen: ? |
| 04:22.47 | madsen | furrywolf: Dang! Still no press.sens. :( |
| 04:23.17 | madsen | furrywolf: Well, I need to sleep. Thanks for the help and I'll-probably-see-you-later! :) |
| 04:23.20 | _gentgeen_ | furrywolf, just kidding some -- you said brb right after disasm said "mmmm yuengling... i forgot to stop at w r hickeys on the way home to pick up a case" |
| 04:23.23 | furrywolf | madsen: is the mouse still handling it? |
| 04:23.26 | _gentgeen_ | just found it funny |
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| 04:23.31 | madsen | furrywolf: Hang on a sec! |
| 04:23.44 | furrywolf | gentgeen: ah. I don't drink, so wasn't even paying attention. :) |
| 04:23.56 | madsen | furrywolf: Sadly, yeah. :( |
| 04:24.12 | furrywolf | madsen: might have to use the manual install then. :) |
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| 04:24.24 | Richie086 | hi |
| 04:24.42 | madsen | furrywolf: Or a reboot... Don't know if I got all the modules out of the way before... But it'll have to wait. |
| 04:24.45 | Richie086 | i have a question about running webmin in debian |
| 04:24.54 | furrywolf | the Bad, Lazy, and Evil (TM) way is to cd linuxwacom/src/2.6.11/ and do for i in `ls *.c` ; do cp -v $i $(find /usr/src/linux/ -name $i) ; done |
| 04:25.06 | madsen | furrywolf: But thanks and take care! :) |
| 04:25.20 | furrywolf | heh, cyas. :) |
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| 04:25.41 | Richie086 | i installed the webmin package using dselect and there is a startup script located in /etc/init.d/ but when i go to start it it says it cant create the process |
| 04:26.31 | Richie086 | this is my first exp with debian so im not too sure what to do.. I have been a redhat user for a number of years... |
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| 04:26.52 | Richie086 | any ideas? |
| 04:27.29 | maher | Richie086: if you installed webmin it shoudl just run - have you tried looking at it in a browser |
| 04:27.37 | Richie086 | yeah |
| 04:27.42 | Pi_ | !gentooize Pi_ |
| 04:27.45 | Richie086 | it says this page cannot be displayed.. |
| 04:27.50 | maher | Richie086: or use netstat / ps to see if it is running |
| 04:28.06 | Richie086 | its not i already did |
| 04:28.16 | Richie086 | thats the thing it cant create the process for some reason |
| 04:28.20 | maher | Richie086: paste the exact error you get if it is short |
| 04:28.26 | Richie086 | ok gimme a sec |
| 04:28.53 | devserve | if it's long, howbout rafb.net/paste? |
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| 04:30.05 | Pythos | general question: I have some semperon boxen, 1 with normal IDE drives, and 4 with SATA drives. The one with IDE drives boots to the 2.6.8-2-K7, but the others wont. I believe that the problem is with the SATA drives. How do I find out for sure what is keeping them from booting tho? |
| 04:30.44 | Solet | is there a way i can un install and reinstall every package i have currently installed with one command? |
| 04:30.50 | bob2 | Solet: why? |
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| 04:30.55 | shimano55 | Question, How do you change the PCM volume as well as other volume controls? I can only seem to edit the main volume with the little speaker in the upper right-hand corner....Can anyone help me out? |
| 04:31.04 | Solet | in hopes of fixing my xscreensaver... it isnt working |
| 04:31.05 | sm | evening all |
| 04:31.20 | sm | what's a good way to test if a directory contains files more than an hour old ? |
| 04:31.46 | devserve | I guess you could use find |
| 04:31.57 | devserve | how deep do you care about? |
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| 04:32.17 | sm | just this one dir |
| 04:32.23 | Pythos | addendum: all the boxen boot fine to kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 04:32.39 | devserve | directories themselves too? |
| 04:32.47 | sm | no |
| 04:33.10 | Solet | "boxen"? whats with the faux german? |
| 04:33.25 | sm | it's a kind of mail out queue, and I want to make sure no undelivered messages are hanging around |
| 04:33.28 | shimano55 | Anyone? |
| 04:33.31 | Pythos | oh, I didn't make that one up |
| 04:33.46 | madclicker | how do i create a server.crt for apache2 in sarge? |
| 04:33.53 | slackmf | shimano55: try aumix |
| 04:33.56 | devserve | so you use find, restrict to files only, restrict to one level (its default is to go as deep as possilble) |
| 04:34.34 | sm | excellent.. thanks |
| 04:34.47 | sm | I couldn't see how to do it in sh, find is better |
| 04:34.57 | Solet | bob2: so is there a way? |
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| 04:35.12 | bob2 | yes, but it won't help |
| 04:35.20 | Solet | bob2: then what should i do? |
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| 04:35.51 | bob2 | don't know or care |
| 04:35.58 | devserve | sm: and look to see what the exit status of find means, and hopefully you should be all set |
| 04:36.00 | bob2 | you don't seem to have explained your xscreensaver problem, tho |
| 04:36.37 | Solet | it works fine if i start it manually but it wont click on by itself after the given time of idleness |
| 04:36.38 | madclicker | how can i enable ssl or https on apache2 for debian? |
| 04:36.52 | joe323 | hi all, fairly new to *nix, really new to debian, had to boot using noapic and nolapic, and then had to remove my usb card because it kept freezing while loading usb, finaly got into the installer and now DHCP doesnt seem to work, but it works in other OSs, so any ideas, i would really apreciate it |
| 04:36.59 | Pythos | Madkiss: did you install them? |
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| 04:37.05 | Pythos | erm, |
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| 04:37.16 | Pythos | madclicker: install them |
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| 04:37.44 | roler | if I typed gnome-session-remove nautilus, how can I put it back? |
| 04:37.58 | deadcat | bob2: i have initrd built into the kernel. i use one of those splashutils to created initrd.img which i added to yaboot.conf, when i bootup. it panic on me. complaining about my root= but without the initrd= line works fine. |
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| 04:38.20 | man_in_shack | something's fscked up with ftp.au.debian.org :( |
| 04:38.36 | bob2 | ftp.au is always screwed |
| 04:38.48 | man_in_shack | no it's not |
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| 04:38.49 | karsten | bob2: Lucky bastard. |
| 04:39.20 | man_in_shack | bob2, so far it's beens screwed for me about twice or so |
| 04:39.23 | joe323 | any ideas? anyone else have this problem |
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| 04:39.35 | karsten | joe323: Is this in the installer or for an installed system? |
| 04:39.58 | Solet | does xscreensaver have issues with multihead systems? |
| 04:40.00 | joe323 | i downloaded a net install cd |
| 04:40.09 | slackmf | solet: i've been having the same problem with xscreensaver for the last few weeks |
| 04:40.28 | slackmf | no clue why it broke, i'm just hoping it'll fix itself :P |
| 04:40.30 | karsten | joe323: Is your problem involving *running* *the* *installer* _or_ *running* *an* *installed* *system* |
| 04:40.45 | joe323 | and the 3rd or fourth screen is trying to connect to a DHCP server to get network configured, and it fails |
| 04:40.47 | Solet | slackmf: are you running a multihead system? |
| 04:40.54 | joe323 | running the installer, sorryu |
| 04:41.17 | slackmf | solet: yeah, gfx5300 with two screens |
| 04:41.17 | sm | "find exits with status 0 if all files are processed successfully, greater than 0 if errors occur." |
| 04:41.36 | sm | and -exec false \; doesn't seem to help |
| 04:42.14 | Solet | slackmf: what gui do you use? |
| 04:42.29 | slackmf | openbox |
| 04:42.48 | deadcat | slackmf: sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11/XF84Config-4 |
| 04:42.49 | Solet | *shrug* never heard of it.... |
| 04:42.55 | slackmf | gimme a minute, i'm going to try disabling my other screen |
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| 04:43.37 | joe323 | i searched around and a few people had this problem, but no answer was posted |
| 04:43.43 | Solet | deadcat: could the xf86config-4 have anything to do with xscreensaver problems? i dont see how it could |
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| 04:44.14 | deadcat | Solet: i dont konw. i didnt read his question (= |
| 04:44.19 | Mutacion | hi there im having a "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:06" can i restore my debian without reinstalling all? |
| 04:44.36 | maher | Mutacion: boot to the last workign kernel |
| 04:45.01 | man_in_shack | bleh. libapr0 failed |
| 04:45.08 | man_in_shack | "0 OK" it says 8| |
| 04:45.29 | mdh | either I'm a tool, or somebody horribly broke apt (the program) wrt. preferences parsing |
| 04:45.39 | Mutacion | maher: i cant.. i take out the harddisk ..plug it into another machine to backup some info..now i put it again on the original machine..start the pc..and ups! i got that error :s |
| 04:45.59 | maher | Mutacion: do you have a rescue disc / live cd lying around |
| 04:46.58 | Mutacion | knopix and ubuntu livecd |
| 04:47.02 | maher | Richie086: don't msg me |
| 04:47.16 | maher | Richie086: talk in the channel |
| 04:47.39 | Richie086 | sorry |
| 04:47.45 | karsten | joe323: Just manually configure your IP. |
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| 04:48.00 | karsten | joe323: What are you connecting to? A LAN, direct internet connection, or what? |
| 04:48.02 | Richie086 | k go to http://richie086.servehttp.com to see the output of the webmin/netstat thingy |
| 04:48.03 | maher | Mutacion: boot to the live cd - mount the hd and chroot to it and fix things |
| 04:48.04 | slackmf | HALLEHLUJAH! |
| 04:48.17 | slackmf | solet: disable any extra screens you have running |
| 04:48.20 | man_in_shack | fuck this |
| 04:48.28 | Mutacion | maher: let me see .thanks |
| 04:48.35 | bob2 | man_in_shack: language, please |
| 04:48.37 | madclicker | Pythos: i have apache2 installed already |
| 04:48.54 | mrwill | what is a good place for iptables rules that I want loaded at every startup? |
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| 04:49.27 | maher | Richie086: do a netstat -pant |
| 04:50.12 | joe323 | karsten: nic directly into cable modem |
| 04:50.35 | Richie086 | k go to http://richie086.servehttp.com/output_netstat_pant.html |
| 04:50.37 | man_in_shack | bob2, it's infuriating. locales keeps failing |
| 04:50.38 | joe323 | karsten: dynamic ip, but it does stay the same for a few days at a time |
| 04:50.47 | man_in_shack | bob2, so does libapr0 |
| 04:51.14 | Richie086 | hmm perl is listing on port 10000 |
| 04:51.15 | Richie086 | but thats it |
| 04:51.19 | joe323 | karsten: my main concern is: will debian be able to use dhcp after its installed |
| 04:51.20 | karsten | joe323: Try manually setting it. |
| 04:51.32 | Richie086 | is perl the main language that webmin is written in? |
| 04:51.35 | karsten | joe323: You've got a console at <alt><F2> |
| 04:51.44 | joe323 | karsten: ok thanks :) |
| 04:51.46 | Richie086 | i would think it would be php or something.. |
| 04:51.49 | karsten | joe323: Should. Let's just worry about that when we get there. |
| 04:51.54 | joe323 | karsten: really appreciate the help |
| 04:51.54 | maher | Richie086: http://localhost:10000 |
| 04:51.55 | karsten | joe323: Keep your problems simple and seperate. |
| 04:52.03 | joe323 | karsten: lol |
| 04:52.11 | karsten | joe323: ifconfig eth0 <ip> netmask <mask> up |
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| 04:52.24 | Richie086 | i get a page not found |
| 04:52.34 | nichos | Are there any calendars to run on apache, that can read ics calendars via webdav? |
| 04:52.36 | karsten | maher: Stop stealing my problems, damnit! |
| 04:52.42 | Richie086 | hehe |
| 04:52.47 | karsten | nichos: Hunt on linuxmafia.com |
| 04:53.03 | karsten | nichos: Rick Moen runs that, tracks a lot of apps, calendars among them. |
| 04:53.14 | karsten | nichos: google 'calendar' site:linuxmafia.com |
| 04:53.24 | maher | Richie086: try telnet localhost 10000 |
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| 04:53.54 | Richie086 | that works |
| 04:54.02 | karsten | maher: ...or netcat (nc). |
| 04:54.07 | maher | Richie086: what does it say? |
| 04:54.15 | Richie086 | connected to debian |
| 04:54.23 | Richie086 | and tells me the esc cahr |
| 04:54.24 | Richie086 | char |
| 04:54.26 | Richie086 | but thats it |
| 04:54.27 | tam | why is when i finger my back up mailserver for mail it says i am recieving 10 messages but i only get like 2 or 3? its a 1 user mail server so i should get all mail |
| 04:54.34 | maher | Richie086: try restarting the browser - maybe it is confused |
| 04:55.10 | Richie086 | well the whole thing is, when i go to do a /etc/init.d/webmin stop it says that webmin is not a process |
| 04:55.14 | Richie086 | which is a problem |
| 04:55.28 | Solet | so try to start it :P |
| 04:55.33 | Solet | then see whats going on |
| 04:55.35 | anto9us | tam, maybe finger doesn't know what you've read but your mail client does |
| 04:55.48 | man_in_shack | DAMMIT |
| 04:56.09 | slackmf | solet: did you get your xscreensaver going? |
| 04:56.11 | maher | Richie086: it seems webmin is running - i don't know much about webmi though |
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| 04:56.39 | maher | Richie086: does ot stop webmin though? |
| 04:56.49 | shimano55 | slackmf, Thanks man |
| 04:57.08 | Richie086 | check this out http://richie086.servehttp.com/output_webmin_nostop.html |
| 04:57.11 | Richie086 | thats the output |
| 04:57.16 | slackmf | no trouble shimano55 :) |
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| 04:57.29 | Richie086 | strange eh? |
| 04:57.51 | OmegaNine | How do i set apt-get to use non free software too? |
| 04:57.53 | tam | anto9us: but i thought that the backup server only catches mail that i did not recieve[?] |
| 04:57.55 | maher | Richie086: maybe its confused - try killall <nameof webmin program> |
| 04:57.56 | Richie086 | if u wish i can start the process and it doesnt give me any errors |
| 04:58.08 | deadcat | !tell OmegaNine about non-free |
| 04:58.12 | maher | OmegaNine: add non-free after main |
| 04:58.26 | maher | Richie086: that means it started just fine |
| 04:58.28 | OmegaNine | Thanks! |
| 04:58.31 | sm | victory! |
| 04:58.34 | sm | find /var/spool/maildrop -mindepth 1 -cmin +1 -exec ls -l {} \; |egrep '.*' && echo YES |
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| 04:59.09 | anto9us | tam: don't know |
| 04:59.21 | tam | anto9us: no probs |
| 04:59.25 | Richie086 | check this out http://richie086.servehttp.com/output_ps.html |
| 04:59.55 | Richie086 | nothing found in ps even with the -a flag |
| 05:00.10 | Richie086 | other than two perl scripts running |
| 05:00.17 | Richie086 | that are related to webmin |
| 05:00.25 | maher | Richie086: that is webmin |
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| 05:00.31 | Richie086 | yeah i know |
| 05:00.34 | Richie086 | but |
| 05:00.43 | maher | Richie086: killall perl will take them out |
| 05:01.31 | maher | Richie086: is there a README in /usr/share/doc/webmin? |
| 05:01.45 | darkgamer20 | hello has anyone here configured bind with sendmail in sarge? |
| 05:01.55 | mrwill | darkgamer20: wha? |
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| 05:02.10 | Richie086 | im sure ther eis |
| 05:02.16 | mrwill | darkgamer20: you mean, configured bind and sendmail, surely? |
| 05:02.22 | darkgamer20 | mrwill: yea |
| 05:02.30 | Dn4 | how do you get XMMS to show the streaming title of the current track playing from servers off of digitally imported? |
| 05:02.30 | zinx | why would you want sendmail? |
| 05:02.39 | darkgamer20 | zinx: why not? |
| 05:02.50 | OmegaNine | Damn, get get mplayer threw that either. Anyone know where I can get a .dep of mplayer? |
| 05:02.56 | zinx | Dn4: configure the mpg123 plugin to show shoutcast titles |
| 05:02.58 | mrwill | darkgamer20: if you don't already have it set up, there are better mta's out there. |
| 05:03.12 | zinx | darkgamer20: sendmail is crap :) |
| 05:03.16 | liable | OmegaNine: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 05:03.19 | zinx | dark: use exim or postfix or something |
| 05:03.29 | man_in_shack | dammit |
| 05:03.38 | darkgamer20 | mrwill: tell i am actually looking to set up a combined dns and email/web server |
| 05:03.38 | man_in_shack | i had to download locales and libapr0 MANUALLY |
| 05:03.54 | OmegaNine | Damn, that dpkg is usefull...there a search function so i can stop bugging you guys with questions you dont have to asnwer? he he |
| 05:04.07 | mrwill | darkgamer20: well, there's plenty of docs online for taht. |
| 05:04.11 | darkgamer20 | zinx: i new so bear with me. but i hear that sendmail is what most big corps use |
| 05:04.18 | mrwill | darkgamer20: do you have a specific question? |
| 05:04.32 | darkgamer20 | mrwill: not really i am here for advice |
| 05:04.43 | zinx | darkgamer20: avoid sendmail :/ |
| 05:04.55 | mrwill | darkgamer20: and uh, use apache, I guess... |
| 05:04.57 | darkgamer20 | zinx: how come? |
| 05:05.03 | karsten | darkgamer20: Sendmail's a PITA. exim4, courier, postfix, very highly recommended. |
| 05:05.11 | madclicker | does anyone know how to enable "https" for apache2 in sarge? |
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| 05:05.21 | OmiKrOn | hi all |
| 05:05.27 | OmiKrOn | i am trying to isntall verlihub and i get this error |
| 05:05.29 | karsten | darkgamer20: It's obtuse, a bitch to configure, impossible to understand, and, well, there's far better ways to spend your time. |
| 05:05.31 | OmiKrOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.34 | mrwill | madclicker: you need to set up an ssl certificate properly for your site to enable that. |
| 05:05.37 | OmiKrOn | any ideeas how to fix? apt doesn`t finds any package called like that |
| 05:05.55 | mdh | madclicker: use virtualhosts, setup on to listen on :443 |
| 05:06.02 | mrwill | OmiKrOn: is verlihub a debian package? |
| 05:06.06 | OmiKrOn | nope |
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| 05:06.24 | caphuso | OmiKrOn: apt-cache search -- libmysql -dev |
| 05:06.35 | mrwill | OmiKrOn: so, you'll want to configure it so it knows where whatever mysql stuff it wants to link against is. |
| 05:06.54 | OmiKrOn | mrwill: it only shows mysqlclientxx-dev |
| 05:07.03 | darkgamer20 | karsten: but people say that once you learn it is easy |
| 05:07.13 | mdh | darkgamer20: I highly recommend using postfix instead |
| 05:07.14 | mrwill | OmiKrOn: are you compiling this from scratch? |
| 05:07.31 | darkgamer20 | mdh: why? |
| 05:07.35 | madclicker | mdh: if i do that apache is not starting |
| 05:07.49 | OmiKrOn | mrwill: yeah |
| 05:07.51 | mrwill | darkgamer20: well, smaller memory footprint, for one thing. |
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| 05:08.01 | Dn4 | zinx, Thank you :) |
| 05:08.04 | darkgamer20 | mdh: i am sorry but i want to know all the advantages and disadvantages |
| 05:08.10 | mdh | darkgamer20: its much better documented, the configuration is more easily understood, it is both usable and secure out of the box. |
| 05:08.22 | mrwill | OmiKrOn: ok, then even if the necessary packages that this thing wants to compile are available, you have to let it know where they are. |
| 05:08.25 | bob2 | darkgamer20: no, if you need to use sendmail, you will know it |
| 05:08.36 | bob2 | darkgamer20: the fact you're asking means you should be using postfix or exim4 |
| 05:08.44 | mrwill | OmiKrOn: have a look at the 'configure' script, see what options you can tell it. |
| 05:08.50 | bob2 | and if "most big corps" use sendmail, it's because it's on legacy machines |
| 05:08.50 | darkgamer20 | mdh: thats good. what about exim the default MTA |
| 05:08.54 | OmiKrOn | mrwill: now i see some line like this : if noapos_mysql --cflags &> /dev/null; then |
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| 05:09.15 | OmiKrOn | noapos_mysql must be some binary/symlink to a binary or something |
| 05:09.19 | madclicker | how do i generate server.crt server.key? |
| 05:09.21 | darkgamer20 | bob2: what is easier exim or postfix? |
| 05:09.27 | OmiKrOn | because i cannot see it defined within the configure script, does it sounds familair to you? |
| 05:09.46 | mrwill | OmiKrOn: nah, I'm just working on general knowledge. |
| 05:09.52 | darkgamer20 | and also wich MTA will work nicely with bind? or do all of them work ok? |
| 05:10.01 | mdh | darkgamer20: some folks here will disagree with me, but its configuration is even worse than sendmail, and if you try to do anything more difficult than use as a local MTA for a single host with local users in an /etc/passwd file, well lets just say some things are impossible |
| 05:10.14 | caphuso | mdh: bullshit |
| 05:10.15 | mrwill | OmiKrOn: my apologies if my suggestions are not helping, but they are what I would do in the same situation. |
| 05:10.37 | mdh | darkgamer20: as I said, some folks will disagree with me :) thanks for proving my point caphuso |
| 05:10.48 | mrwill | darkgamer20: any old MTA will work with BIND, they are completely separate things. |
| 05:10.52 | caphuso | mdh: that's not an excuse for blatant lies |
| 05:10.56 | darkgamer20 | mdh: which MTA are you talking about? |
| 05:11.07 | darkgamer20 | mrwill: great |
| 05:11.20 | mdh | darkgamer20: exim. avoid like the plague. I'd rather use sendmail than exim, its easier to configure |
| 05:11.26 | OmiKrOn | mrwill: thanks |
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| 05:11.28 | caphuso | you can do more things with exim than with postfix |
| 05:11.33 | darkgamer20 | mdh: really? |
| 05:11.38 | mrwill | mdh: I've got multiple domains with many many virtual mailboxes authenticated against a mysql server with postfix, and it works great. |
| 05:11.41 | caphuso | darkgamer20: no, he's wrong |
| 05:11.51 | dondelelcaro | it's not like any of the MTAs are all that difficult to configure |
| 05:11.55 | darkgamer20 | what do you guys think about qmail? |
| 05:12.02 | dondelelcaro | darkgamer20: it's dbsware |
| 05:12.15 | tag | dbsware? |
| 05:12.16 | mdh | darkgamer20: avoid qmail. its insecure, unmaintaned, non-free software |
| 05:12.17 | darkgamer20 | dondelelcaro: what is that? |
| 05:12.18 | dondelelcaro | !qmail |
| 05:12.18 | dpkg | qmail is, like, a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, or ... |
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| 05:12.23 | dondelelcaro | s/dbs/djb/ |
| 05:12.53 | tag | postfix is teh shit |
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| 05:15.14 | _me_ | !sendmail |
| 05:15.14 | dpkg | methinks sendmail is ask me to start an mta war. |
| 05:15.39 | Gumby | dpkg: start an mta war |
| 05:15.39 | dpkg | courier sucks |
| 05:16.13 | OmiKrOn | o_O |
| 05:16.13 | devserve | dokg no courier -blows-! |
| 05:16.19 | _me_ | !postfix |
| 05:16.20 | dpkg | postfix is, like, a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
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| 05:16.33 | OmiKrOn | what about qmail? |
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| 05:16.51 | devserve | we did that one |
| 05:16.52 | _me_ | !qmail |
| 05:16.52 | dpkg | from memory, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, or ... |
| 05:16.55 | mdh | OmiKrOn: we already discussed qmail, scroll back :) |
| 05:16.55 | floormade3 | hi, what unix command can i use to compare two different files and show me the difference between them? |
| 05:17.04 | mrwill | OmiKrOn: you ought to try each one, see which you think is best. |
| 05:17.05 | caphuso | floormade3: diff or cmp |
| 05:17.07 | mdh | floormade3: diff |
| 05:17.14 | floormade3 | thank you |
| 05:17.39 | OmiKrOn | i dunno qmail really rocks for me |
| 05:17.41 | devserve | cmp won't shjow you the difference |
| 05:17.52 | OmiKrOn | postfix is awesome too still can`t decide |
| 05:17.57 | mdh | hmm.. xdelta might be useful also |
| 05:17.57 | OmiKrOn | but qmail is so modular |
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| 05:18.10 | mdh | OmiKrOn: postfix is also modular |
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| 05:18.23 | OmiKrOn | yeah but not like qmail |
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| 05:18.35 | devserve | just pick one and slap it in there :P |
| 05:18.39 | mdh | OmiKrOn: its even more modular than qmail |
| 05:18.44 | mud | im trying to install debian sarge but my dlink pci wireless card is not detected how can i install if i cant download any drivers for card? |
| 05:18.47 | OmiKrOn | i use them both anyway |
| 05:18.53 | devserve | you'l forget about it after 5 mins |
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| 05:19.22 | OmiKrOn | any ideea on what package does mysql_client belongs to? |
| 05:19.28 | OmiKrOn | s/belongs/belong |
| 05:19.48 | Jamsi | apt-get install mysql-client |
| 05:19.48 | Jamsi | ? |
| 05:19.48 | mdh | devserve: unless you pick exim, in which case you'll still be scratching your head wondering why it doesn't behave as per the documentation several days later if you deviate from debconf default configs |
| 05:20.02 | mud | is it bad to install on a wireless connection? |
| 05:20.19 | mrwill | mud: nah, no difference than any other network connection. |
| 05:20.30 | mrwill | mud: provided you get it working right! |
| 05:20.39 | OmiKrOn | er.. |
| 05:20.40 | OmiKrOn | sorry |
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| 05:20.48 | devserve | to install what? |
| 05:20.55 | OmiKrOn | i mean mysql_config |
| 05:21.17 | caphuso | might be because i've actually read the documentation and don't just pretend to |
| 05:21.59 | freewoody | How do I change the system date and time in Debian ? |
| 05:22.10 | caphuso | freewoody: date, ntpdate, ntpd |
| 05:22.12 | mud | how can i install ethernet drivers if i cant download anything do i need to get them and put them on a cd and install them while installing debian? |
| 05:22.22 | mrwill | mud: ok, don't panic. |
| 05:22.30 | caphuso | mud: probably easier to install them after the installation |
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| 05:22.42 | mrwill | mud: are you sure the drivers are not available in the kernel you are using to install? |
| 05:22.48 | mrwill | mud: you might just need to enable them. |
| 05:23.06 | mud | there wasnt many wireless drivers in the kernel |
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| 05:23.18 | mrwill | mud: ah, and your card was not supported, then? |
| 05:23.23 | mud | nope |
| 05:23.33 | mdh | Dell's wireless cards need Windoze drivers iirc |
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| 05:24.07 | mrwill | mud: you'll need a kernel with the proper drivers in it if you want to use that network interface during install. |
| 05:24.15 | Ry12 | i just installed debian woody, the latest version but when i tried to compile kernel 2.6 it said my glibc verison was too old? |
| 05:24.20 | mrwill | mud: have you tried all the possible kernels? |
| 05:24.29 | mud | i tried 2.6.10 |
| 05:24.34 | mdh | plus that ndiswrapper |
| 05:24.44 | mrwill | Ry12: you probably shouldn't be compiling 2.6 on woody |
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| 05:24.59 | Ry12 | why not? |
| 05:24.59 | mrwill | mud: well, that ought to be a recent one. |
| 05:24.59 | devserve | Ry12: woody without backports of certain things can't run 2.6 |
| 05:25.27 | freewoody | I still can't change the time of my clock |
| 05:25.30 | rectum | check it |
| 05:25.38 | Ry12 | whats woody good 4 then |
| 05:25.47 | mud | does anyone know a wireless pci network card that "just works" in linux? |
| 05:26.07 | mrwill | Ry12: amusing children, and um, innumerable other stuff. |
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| 05:26.20 | darkgamer20 | sorry guys i had to go somewhere |
| 05:26.21 | Ry12 | so to run the latest kernel and stuff u have to use sarge? |
| 05:26.33 | mrwill | Ry12: no |
| 05:26.46 | Ry12 | what debian should i get? |
| 05:26.50 | darkgamer20 | sarge |
| 05:26.59 | darkgamer20 | Ry12:sarge |
| 05:27.03 | challenged_AFK | Ry12: woody is outdated but still stable version of debian.....testing = sarge 2.4 &2.6 capable....not technically stable but thats probably not too much of an issue |
| 05:27.07 | freewoody | Hello everybody, I can't change the system's time from the console ? |
| 05:27.14 | devserve | no, you don't -have- to run sarge |
| 05:27.18 | mrwill | freewoody: and you are root? |
| 05:27.23 | Jamsi | freewoody, why not? |
| 05:27.38 | darkgamer20 | challenged_AFK: isn't sarge pretty stable? |
| 05:27.51 | mrwill | darkgamer20: it's still not officially released |
| 05:27.52 | gdub | 'nother vote for sarge here |
| 05:28.01 | devserve | freewoody: man date |
| 05:28.10 | OmiKrOn | yay |
| 05:28.12 | OmiKrOn | i found it |
| 05:28.16 | darkgamer20 | mrwill: isn't it going to be the same even when it is released? |
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| 05:28.33 | challenged_AFK | darkgamer20: oh it's stable to use but not stable as in distribution ie no security patches etc .....its what most would be using now tho |
| 05:28.35 | mrwill | darkgamer20: if that were true, they'd just release it now. |
| 05:28.38 | Ry12 | why is woody outdated? the last version came out last month |
| 05:28.41 | devserve | why do you want to change the time? ntpd and/or ntpdate can make or keep it accurate |
| 05:28.55 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 05:28.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 05:28.56 | karsten | Ry12: It's still largely packages current as of 2003. |
| 05:29.00 | darkgamer20 | mrwill: i don't follow |
| 05:29.01 | mrwill | Ry12: you mean, the last update to the release came out last month |
| 05:29.06 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Hola |
| 05:29.12 | dondelelcaro | karsten: sup |
| 05:29.15 | devserve | Ry12: woody cannot get new features in it, from the time it's released. |
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| 05:29.28 | mrwill | darkgamer20: um, they are still developing it, well, fixing bugs at this point, but it's still being changed. |
| 05:29.39 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Got mail? |
| 05:29.42 | darkgamer20 | mrwill: oh i see |
| 05:30.01 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah... was hoping that they wouldn't have done that.. but will have to implement banning for the paster bot |
| 05:30.11 | challenged_AFK | ry12: ok easy understanding: stable = woody - know issues fixed urgently....testing = sarge = what will be stable in a few weeks/months (next anyways) unsatble = SID = very flakey so far but will be satble after it goes through testing for a while |
| 05:30.28 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK, just checking. |
| 05:30.30 | mrwill | night all |
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| 05:30.36 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Nice pics, BTW. |
| 05:30.46 | dondelelcaro | karsten: which pics? |
| 05:30.57 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Your webpage. |
| 05:31.05 | dondelelcaro | karsten: ah... thanks! ;-) |
| 05:31.08 | Ry12 | does the kernel source for 2.4 come wit woody? |
| 05:31.36 | karsten | Ry12: Yes. You'd install the kernel-source-<version> package. |
| 05:31.47 | darkgamer20 | :) really like debian |
| 05:31.49 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Particularly the fashion pics ;-) |
| 05:32.12 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Though the beach shots were really slick. Added to my xscreensaver rotation. |
| 05:32.17 | challenged_AFK | Ry12 : sources are available via apt |
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| 05:33.18 | Ry12 | the 2.4 kerenl the caomes with woody doesnt have the forcedeth driver so i cant use apt |
| 05:33.20 | darkgamer20 | !qmail |
| 05:33.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, or ... |
| 05:34.05 | darkgamer20 | !postfix |
| 05:34.06 | dpkg | i guess postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
| 05:34.29 | darkgamer20 | !emix |
| 05:34.38 | darkgamer20 | !exim |
| 05:34.39 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
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| 05:35.01 | karsten | darkgamer20: /msg bots please |
| 05:35.12 | darkgamer20 | karsten: sorry man |
| 05:35.18 | karsten | darkgamer20: ...though 'emix' sounds interesting ;-) |
| 05:35.29 | darkgamer20 | yeah i guess |
| 05:35.39 | darkgamer20 | THe next mta |
| 05:35.42 | darkgamer20 | lol |
| 05:37.33 | Ry12 | i done a search on woody disc 1, i couldnt find any kernel source pkgs |
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| 05:39.14 | simonrvn | that's because there aren't any |
| 05:39.26 | Ry12 | where can i get it then |
| 05:39.41 | challenged_AFK | Ry12: apt-get install kernel-sources-VESIONNUMBER |
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| 05:40.15 | Ry12 | i cant |
| 05:40.19 | simonrvn | Ry12: be better off getting it at the usual place... or apt-get kernel-source- like ^^^ |
| 05:40.24 | Ry12 | dont have eth0 working |
| 05:40.31 | simonrvn | so get it working |
| 05:40.32 | Ry12 | thats why i need the source to compile drivef |
| 05:40.35 | nichos | how can i get debian to ask me to reconfigure everything? I want to go through the exim4 setup again, dpkg-reconfigure isnt prompting me |
| 05:40.35 | Ry12 | driver* |
| 05:41.01 | challenged_AFK | Ry12: what nic? |
| 05:41.05 | deadcat | nichos: source /etc/bash_completion && dpkg-reconfigure exim4<tab><tab> |
| 05:41.07 | Ry12 | nforce |
| 05:41.16 | Ry12 | uses forcedeth |
| 05:41.45 | nichos | deadcat thanks! |
| 05:42.08 | simonrvn | sneakernet it then |
| 05:42.24 | Ry12 | ? |
| 05:42.33 | simonrvn | floppy, zip disk, etc. |
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| 05:43.15 | Ry12 | will the vanilla kerenl compile on woody |
| 05:43.27 | challenged_AFK | Ry12: hmm nforce isnt in the current kernels? |
| 05:43.35 | simonrvn | i thought it was |
| 05:43.45 | challenged_AFK | me too |
| 05:44.01 | Ry12 | i tried modprobe forcedeth on 2.4 and 2.2 |
| 05:44.04 | Ry12 | didnt work |
| 05:44.12 | deadcat | Ry12: why shouldnt it compile? |
| 05:44.32 | simonrvn | how about the config, did you look at that ? |
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| 05:45.42 | Ry12 | what config? |
| 05:46.11 | simonrvn | your currently booted kernel's config, what else? |
| 05:46.30 | Ry12 | where is that? |
| 05:46.32 | deadcat | i have initrd built into the kernel. i use one of those splashutils to created initrd.img which i added to yaboot.conf, when i bootup. it panic on me. complaining about my root= but without the initrd= line works fine. |
| 05:46.36 | Ry12 | isnt it in the source dir? |
| 05:46.37 | simonrvn | in /boot |
| 05:47.21 | deadcat | Ry12: if you dont know. you SHOULDNT COMPILE SHIT |
| 05:48.07 | Ry12 | ok |
| 05:48.45 | cafuego | the vanilla sarge 2.6 kernel probably supports forcedeth |
| 05:48.52 | Ry12 | thats the kernel im using config-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 05:49.12 | cafuego | you'll want a new kernel anyway for your mobo/ide; as 2.4.18 certainly has no decent support for that hardware |
| 05:49.21 | deadcat | Ry12: that would be the .config for 2.4.18 kernel. |
| 05:50.02 | Ry12 | so should i just compile my own vanila kernel/? |
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| 05:50.46 | deadcat | i got fbsplash working on ppc. but i cant figure out how the initrd= line work with yaboot. its panic'ing bitching about my root |
| 05:51.17 | IDC | My ISP has changed something on their server side by using the regular way i cannot get adsl working on debian now i am on windows :( |
| 05:51.35 | cafuego | image=/boot/vmlinux-2.6.11-powerpc \ initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.11-powerpc |
| 05:51.48 | IDC | Now on windows,i have to enable DHCP client to get online no problem,how do i do that on debian ? |
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| 05:51.56 | cafuego | deadcat: You need a boot= and root= in the globals ection of the file. |
| 05:52.13 | challenged_AFK | IDC: man dhclient |
| 05:52.16 | deadcat | cafuego: ya i hav ethat. but my initrd is buit into the kernel. the initrd.img is actually generated by splashutils holding the splash theme |
| 05:52.25 | deadcat | cafuego: ya i have all those. |
| 05:52.35 | IDC | challenged_AFK, Hi |
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| 05:52.45 | deadcat | IDC: you wnat: man 5 interfaces |
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| 05:53.05 | rectum | what is a content management system |
| 05:53.09 | rectum | like php |
| 05:53.10 | Ry12 | does sarge have gnome 2.8 yet? |
| 05:53.17 | deadcat | no |
| 05:53.30 | chealer | rectum: uh, php isn't a cms |
| 05:53.34 | rectum | i know |
| 05:53.38 | rectum | but IN php |
| 05:53.47 | chealer | zope? |
| 05:53.52 | chealer | oops pythoin |
| 05:53.53 | rectum | opensourcecms.com |
| 05:54.06 | chealer | yeah I guess |
| 05:54.25 | rectum | what do they do |
| 05:54.26 | chealer | phpnuke |
| 05:54.31 | rectum | im reading and have been reading online for some time |
| 05:54.38 | chealer | what do what do? |
| 05:54.39 | cafuego | There's heaps of CMS systems. try drupal or phpslash or phpnuke |
| 05:54.56 | streuner | !info gnome-session sarge |
| 05:54.57 | rectum | ok |
| 05:54.59 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.1-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 432 kB, Installed size: 2080 kB |
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| 05:55.09 | rectum | basically they help you upload files and stuff? |
| 05:55.15 | cafuego | I fetched typo3 but haven't played with it yet |
| 05:55.17 | rectum | can't find a decent description of its purpose |
| 05:55.53 | cafuego | rectum: a CMS is a website management framework to allow multiple non-technical users content. |
| 05:55.54 | chealer | rectum: you tried wikipedia? |
| 05:55.59 | rectum | oh |
| 05:55.59 | rectum | good idea |
| 05:56.02 | challenged_AFK | so im installing some stuff and it want's c headers....thats kernel-headers yeah? |
| 05:56.37 | cafuego | rectum: Basically, they consist of header/footer/nav for the HTML pages and interfaces to add content and modules for displaying calendars/events/files/etc |
| 05:56.44 | streuner | challenged_AFK: what's the exact filename? |
| 05:56.51 | challenged_AFK | who has a sec to let me know what sources i need |
| 05:57.01 | mdh | rectum: a CMS is like an administration tool for a website. generally you can upload content to the site in a manner other than writing raw HTML, you can manage processes like approving content to be published, etc |
| 05:57.33 | challenged_AFK | streuner: its looking in usr/src/linux/include |
| 05:57.33 | streuner | challenged_AFK: what's wrong with the debian package? |
| 05:57.41 | cafuego | challenged_AFK: libc6-dev most likely. Try 'build-essential'. |
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| 05:57.49 | rectum | wikipedia is good |
| 05:57.50 | rectum | thanks |
| 05:57.53 | challenged_AFK | streuner: non free |
| 05:57.58 | simonrvn | what? |
| 05:58.17 | chealer | wikipedia is dpkg's baby |
| 05:58.34 | szzs | hi, i have just installed sarge, i tried to config the net, but there is no /etc/resolv.conf file available. what package shall i install? |
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| 05:59.07 | simonrvn | make one, then read man resolv.conf |
| 05:59.07 | streuner | challenged_AFK: what's the name of the app.? |
| 05:59.23 | challenged_AFK | streuner: vmware .. |
| 05:59.37 | challenged_AFK | streuner: 5 workstation |
| 05:59.37 | szzs | simonrvn: is that simple?, ok i try, thanks |
| 05:59.46 | streuner | challenged_AFK: install the kernel-headers and build-essential |
| 05:59.56 | Ry12 | how do u isntall .deb files? |
| 06:00.04 | simonrvn | very carefully |
| 06:00.23 | Ry12 | whats the command |
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| 06:00.52 | simonrvn | man dpkg, look for -i |
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| 06:01.11 | challenged_AFK | streuner: cool downloading headers atm...build-essentials in....do i need to do anything to headers once installed or is it just install and rerun vmware |
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| 06:02.11 | rectum | i downloaded a dvd iso, how does one mount that, just regular .iso mount like mount -t iso9660 -loop |
| 06:02.21 | kevinv | VMWare works under Debian? But I have to re-compile the Kernel don't I? |
| 06:02.26 | streuner | challenged_AFK: you'll get support for vmware from them |
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| 06:03.06 | challenged_AFK | streuner: cool ....first time on debian for vmware hehe...i did a few redhat installs etc earlier this year |
| 06:03.06 | kevinv | VMWare is also better then Bochs too, it's faster. |
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| 06:03.19 | IDC | There has been an issue on sound cards based on Cirrus Logic Crystal CS46XX that the playback is fuzzy ,i was thinking it's maybe been fixed in the lastest Kernel/ALSA ,no,i was so wrong :( |
| 06:03.24 | kevinv | Just as good as Virtual PC from before MS bought it. |
| 06:03.36 | challenged_AFK | kevinv: yeah it works under bedian... |
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| 06:03.53 | veleno | if i print stuff from OpenOffice, everything is fine. if i try the same from acrobat (7.0), bad stuff came out of it. any idea why all this ? |
| 06:04.15 | IDC | I can't stand with a fuzzy Audio playback ,nor i can accept the advice found on the forums 'Go get another card' |
| 06:04.18 | kevinv | Try another PDF viewer |
| 06:04.26 | kevinv | I use xPDF |
| 06:04.35 | kevinv | it views everything fast. |
| 06:04.52 | kevinv | Or even KPDF for KDE users. |
| 06:05.03 | kevinv | KPDF reminds me of Acrobat |
| 06:05.03 | Ry12 | whats a kernel header? |
| 06:05.04 | veleno | kevinv, i can view it fine. i simply can't print it. |
| 06:05.55 | kevinv | veleno, tryed it in another viewer besides Acrobat? To print I mean? |
| 06:06.45 | kevinv | veleno, I never touched Acrobat for Linux before, as I never touch anything outside the GNU, usually |
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| 06:11.07 | prog | I need express x^2 in C language, but 'double y=x^2;' doesn`t work. Can someone advice me please ? |
| 06:11.16 | zinx | pow(x,2) |
| 06:11.19 | simonrvn | #c can |
| 06:11.20 | furrywolf | x*x |
| 06:11.24 | zinx | or yeah |
| 06:11.25 | zinx | x*x |
| 06:11.29 | mdh | x**2 |
| 06:11.36 | zinx | x**2 won't cut it :P |
| 06:11.37 | furrywolf | mdh: no. |
| 06:11.40 | prog | hmm, but when I need x^y ? :-) |
| 06:11.47 | furrywolf | prog: then you use pow. |
| 06:11.51 | zinx | prog: When you need x^y, use pow |
| 06:11.51 | deadcat | #c |
| 06:11.55 | prog | ok, thanks !!!! |
| 06:12.03 | zinx | when you need x*const, use x*x*x or whatever |
| 06:12.07 | zinx | erh, x^const |
| 06:12.18 | furrywolf | zinx: that's not efficient. :) |
| 06:12.18 | prog | oh yes |
| 06:12.21 | zinx | not sure when it starts becoming slower than pow, though ;) |
| 06:12.23 | mdh | what's wrong with x**2 ? |
| 06:12.35 | zinx | mdh: it's not valid C.. |
| 06:12.37 | furrywolf | mdh: what's wrong is that it's not valid C? :P |
| 06:12.42 | zinx | mdh: there is no "**" operator |
| 06:12.59 | veleno | kevinv, i tried with xpdf, same shitty stuff :-( |
| 06:13.16 | zinx | mdh: there's an unary * operator that you can put next to another, but it certainly won't have the desired effect, and doesn't apply to the case given ;) |
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| 06:13.29 | kevinv | veleno, Did you try KPDF? |
| 06:13.37 | furrywolf | for example x^4, might be better implemented by t=x*x; y=t*t. x^5 as t=x*x; y=t*t*x. etc. :) |
| 06:13.37 | veleno | kevinv, i'm in gnome |
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| 06:14.04 | rectum | how does one navigate through dvd menus |
| 06:14.11 | rectum | i use mplayer |
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| 06:14.19 | kevinv | oh, try gPDF |
| 06:14.29 | kevinv | the GNOME PDF reader. |
| 06:14.31 | nevyn | and if x is 2 it's much better implemented as x<<4 |
| 06:14.42 | zinx | nevyn: not for doubles |
| 06:14.43 | kevinv | There's many PDF readers for Linux. |
| 06:14.47 | mdh | zinx: you suggested x*x ;) I've gotten confused, so many languages... |
| 06:14.52 | furrywolf | nevyn: and if x is 2, it's much better implemented as 16. :P |
| 06:14.57 | nevyn | :) |
| 06:14.59 | veleno | kevinv, i'd need a pdf printer .... |
| 06:15.15 | nevyn | furrywolf: but if it's a power of 2 it's much better as a shift |
| 06:15.15 | zinx | nevyn: and that does something else, too |
| 06:15.25 | zinx | nevyn: you're thinking x*2 |
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| 06:15.30 | nevyn | hrm |
| 06:15.32 | zinx | maybe? |
| 06:15.45 | billh | Is there any bug reports on Flash not working on Firefox in the past couple of weeks ? |
| 06:15.57 | zinx | x*x isn't doable with just shifts |
| 06:15.58 | kevinv | it's in the testing debian archives I believe. |
| 06:15.58 | simonrvn | @btssmite billh |
| 06:16.06 | simonrvn | !btssmite billh |
| 06:16.07 | streuner | billh: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:16.10 | nevyn | zinx: it is if x is a power of 2. |
| 06:16.11 | furrywolf | zinx: if x is 2, multiplying x by 2 and squaring x are the same operation. :) |
| 06:16.22 | billh | wait... |
| 06:16.29 | zinx | furrywolf: not where i come from |
| 06:16.34 | streuner | billh: in mozilla-firefox package |
| 06:16.34 | furrywolf | nevyn: no... only if x is exactly 2. :) |
| 06:16.38 | veleno | i suppose my problem is on which cups client the pdf reader relyis on |
| 06:16.39 | nevyn | hrm |
| 06:16.48 | zinx | furrywolf: over here, 3*3 (11*11) = 9 (1001) |
| 06:17.05 | furrywolf | zinx: 3 is not equal to 2, is it? :) |
| 06:17.08 | zinx | furrywolf: maybe your place of origin has a different form of math which i'm unfamiliar with |
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| 06:17.16 | billh | streuner eh ? I'm a bit confused. I'm getting 2.3.2.dsl-21 |
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| 06:17.21 | zinx | furrywolf: no, and pow(3,2) isn't equal to 3*2 either. |
| 06:17.26 | nevyn | furrywolf: but 4 << 2 == 4^2 and 4 << 4 == 4^3 |
| 06:17.29 | streuner | billh: that's sarge or sid |
| 06:17.35 | billh | yeah, it's unstable |
| 06:17.38 | streuner | billh: so look at BTS |
| 06:17.51 | streuner | billh: sarge=testing, sid=unstable |
| 06:17.58 | nevyn | but being restricted to powers of 2 sucks so forget it. |
| 06:18.03 | billh | yeah, I just did a query and didn't find a bug report filed |
| 06:18.05 | furrywolf | zinx: note all the comments started with "if x is 2". saying it doesn't work when x is 3 doesn't change the statement. :) |
| 06:18.14 | zinx | furrywolf: oh, bah |
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| 06:18.25 | nevyn | heh :) |
| 06:18.37 | furrywolf | that's like "if red is green, bill gates is god." |
| 06:18.41 | bnoji | 02:14:41 up 13 days, 5:43, 2 users, load average: 175.60, 164.84, 151.12 |
| 06:18.42 | mdh | #include <math.h> |
| 06:18.43 | zinx | yes :) |
| 06:18.46 | zinx | sorry ;) |
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| 06:18.57 | simonrvn | bnoji: weee |
| 06:19.00 | bnoji | penguinhost.net sucks. |
| 06:19.40 | bnoji | I'm getting 20-30 second page loads from them because the server is so overloaded. |
| 06:20.12 | furrywolf | bnoji: is this typical, or did someone start a fork bomb for the fun of it? |
| 06:21.00 | streuner | billh: Where did you get the flash-plugin from? |
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| 06:21.14 | bnoji | furrywolf: No idea. It's beeen going on all day. |
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| 06:21.31 | bnoji | I just opened this account yesterday |
| 06:21.40 | snadge | anyone else bitten by this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=306820 (pppd fails to reconnect using persist option) |
| 06:21.46 | bnoji | I have another one with them with no problem. |
| 06:22.03 | prog | another little question; when i need more exact results, because printf("%f.",y) returns only 6 decimal possitions ? |
| 06:22.27 | furrywolf | prog: man printf |
| 06:22.30 | veleno | kevinv, ok, gpdf does the work. but why acrobat doesn't work is still a mistery. |
| 06:23.01 | furrywolf | acrobat = proprietary closed-source crap, perhaps? |
| 06:23.11 | kevinv | veleno, Contact Adobe on that one. |
| 06:23.26 | kevinv | Ya like furrywolf said |
| 06:23.33 | billh | streuner just fixed it, recent upgrades missed replacing a couple of packages. |
| 06:23.46 | billh | doing an install of libflash-mozplugin fixed it. |
| 06:23.54 | kevinv | Reason why I don't touch software outside the GNU |
| 06:24.13 | kevinv | If it's from the GNU, it can be trusted. |
| 06:24.35 | snadge | okay.. if nobody is bitten by previous mentioned ppp bug.. does anyone know where i can get the previous unstable release of pppd? ie versions prior 2.4.3-20050321+1 |
| 06:24.39 | kevinv | The developer knows the user can see the code, do the developer won't put any bad thing inside. |
| 06:24.48 | kevinv | eg, virii, spyware, etc.. |
| 06:24.57 | mdh | veleno: it broke recently with one of the updates |
| 06:25.12 | kingsley_ | The following web page claims that tricking someone into playing a malicious wav file can allow their computer to be compromised. How does that work? |
| 06:25.14 | streuner | snadge: maybe sdn (/msg dpkg sdn) |
| 06:25.17 | kingsley_ | http://secunia.com/advisories/12175/ |
| 06:25.18 | positrix | kevinv: i think you mean if its from the FSF, or under the gpl |
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| 06:25.48 | kevinv | Yes, exactly. |
| 06:26.05 | kevinv | I read the entire GNU/General Public License actually. |
| 06:26.09 | positrix | kingsley: through windows media player being a large festering rotten exoploit |
| 06:26.09 | markybob | !ops kahin is spambot |
| 06:26.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kahin is spambot |
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| 06:26.14 | kevinv | I have a copy in this book here too |
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| 06:26.23 | kevinv | The Joy of ***... |
| 06:26.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 06:26.32 | *** kick/#debian [KahiN!foobar@p5481BE5E.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 06:26.34 | kevinv | No, The Joy of Linux lol |
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| 06:26.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 06:27.05 | billh | thanks |
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| 06:27.55 | furrywolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010030.jpg <== found inside of a failed 300 watt ATX power supply... note the doming on the two leftmost large caps and the small cap towards the right. the joys of insta-explode caps... |
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| 06:28.00 | kevinv | who was just banned btw? |
| 06:28.03 | kevinv | for what? |
| 06:28.04 | smeaggol | Hi everyone |
| 06:28.16 | markybob | i work for capitol creag, which is a massive real estate company. we're making a move to all linux desktops/laptops. we use samba inhouse for corporate filesharing...i'm trying to allow users to mount those shares remotely with their linux laptops. havent figured out how to do this. i've tried using davenport along with davfs2, but davfs2 cant mount davenport webdav (no idea why). any other solutions? |
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| 06:28.37 | streuner | kevinv: what kind of irc-client do you have? |
| 06:28.45 | markybob | kevinv, a spambot |
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| 06:28.52 | Jpeger | I'm having a problem with Mailman after the apt-get install. It's not writing to the alias file, nor is it telling me the alias' to copy into the file. I'm attempting to do it manually, but I can't locate the "mailman" that I'm to pipe to. |
| 06:29.04 | kevinv | I use Xchat |
| 06:29.19 | kevinv | I'm not watching the room all the time either |
| 06:29.29 | bnoji | -jailshell-2.05b$ ps -A | grep -c mysql |
| 06:29.30 | bnoji | 214 |
| 06:29.51 | bnoji | I'm guessing they have around 50 shared accounts on this server. |
| 06:30.16 | smeaggol | I have odd problem with GRUB...it loads from MBR of second drive, come up with nice menu, but when i select Linux it says: Cannot mount selected partion and Filesystem type unknown, part. type 0x07 . Strange, when i run grub manually and write root (hd1,0) then it autocompletes and say it's partion type 0x83! Can somebody hint how to repair it? |
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| 06:31.33 | furrywolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010031.jpg <== another pic showing the ratings on the little failed cap... also note the medium cap in the lower right corner is buldging and possibly leaking. |
| 06:31.41 | roo9 | hi, i'm trying to get maildrop setup to use filtering, but i get the following error, "maildrop: Unable to create a dot-lock" |
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| 06:32.27 | furrywolf | this power supply let the smoke out in a quite major fashion... nice to know insta-explode caps can be a fire hazard too. |
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| 06:33.21 | kevinv | Anyone need a great laugh, install the fortune package, great laughts for entire family. |
| 06:33.30 | smeaggol | Noone knows why GRUB says after loading from MBR my filesystem type is unknown and partion type 0x07 but when i get into and run grub manually then it says ext2fs and type 0x73? It's very strange.... |
| 06:33.36 | karsten | furrywolf: magic smoke... |
| 06:33.37 | kevinv | I laughed my head with those quotes. |
| 06:33.45 | cafuego | wtf, one of the cats just wandered in with a dim sum |
| 06:33.55 | furrywolf | kevinv: or install fortunes-off. great laughs for those over 12. |
| 06:34.00 | karsten | kevinv: ...and if it's not the entire family, try fortune-off |
| 06:34.08 | kevinv | i know, I love the offense ones. |
| 06:34.11 | karsten | furrywolf: Get out of my gutter! |
| 06:34.42 | kevinv | Use the xscreensaver of phosaphor |
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| 06:35.03 | kevinv | and watch it type it on the screen, scare friend. |
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| 06:36.34 | furrywolf | karsten: yep... much magic smoke got released. http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010021.jpg <== in addition to the major charred spot on the bottom center, nore blackening under the left heat sink. |
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| 06:37.02 | furrywolf | s/nore/note |
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| 06:38.44 | buu | Hrm. I get perfect sound from stuff like mpg123, mplayer and ogle, but I just installed a video game that won't play sound at all. Anyone have an idea where I could look to diagnose the problem? |
| 06:39.23 | kevinv | What Sound daemon does this game need? |
| 06:39.45 | kevinv | Does it use OSS, ALSA, Arts, Esound, etc... |
| 06:39.53 | bnoji | -jailshell-2.05b$ ps -A | grep -c mysql |
| 06:39.54 | bnoji | 214 |
| 06:40.11 | buu | kevinv: Erm, when I Started it up it said "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy Could not open /dev/dsp" |
| 06:40.14 | bnoji | That a lot of mysql processes |
| 06:40.20 | kevinv | I noticed zsnes works with no sound daemon loaded, just OSS, for example. |
| 06:40.39 | furrywolf | bbl. tired wolfy needs sleep. |
| 06:40.59 | kevinv | buu, Exactly, check to see if another processes is using the sound card. |
| 06:41.11 | kevinv | like artsd, or esd |
| 06:41.36 | buu | kevinv: Er, mpg123 can open it just fine |
| 06:41.41 | cafuego | threads, not processes. |
| 06:41.49 | kevinv | buu, if they're open, I suggest if using arts, open the arts controller and suspend it. |
| 06:42.41 | kevinv | buu, Strange, mpg123 opens right, but the game doesn't, may I ask what game? |
| 06:42.52 | buu | kevinv: Enemy Territory |
| 06:43.01 | buu | How could I tell if something else is using it? |
| 06:43.24 | mooded | hi all.. anybody has a hint for me on how to get dial on demand with adsl-connections working ? |
| 06:43.55 | kevinv | buu, Check 'ps -A | grep "artsd"' |
| 06:43.59 | streuner | mooded: that could cause headaches... |
| 06:44.01 | kevinv | for arts |
| 06:44.07 | kevinv | and ps -A | grep "esd" |
| 06:44.09 | kevinv | for Esound |
| 06:44.38 | buu | kevinv: Well ok |
| 06:44.44 | buu | Those aren't running. |
| 06:44.49 | mooded | streuner, it actually does ;) |
| 06:44.57 | kevinv | buu, if any is running then you either have to use a window manager that doesn't automaticlly activate it's sound daemon |
| 06:45.02 | streuner | mooded: diald |
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| 06:45.30 | streuner | !info diald |
| 06:45.33 | dpkg | diald: (dial on demand daemon for PPP and SLIP.), section net, is optional. Version: 0.99.4-5 (sid), Packaged size: 169 kB, Installed size: 576 kB |
| 06:45.38 | mooded | streuner, thanks |
| 06:45.40 | kevinv | buu, I had the same problem with zsnes, It wouldn't run at all, I ran IceWM and it worked. |
| 06:45.54 | buu | kevinv: My wm definately doesn't have a sound daemon =] |
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| 06:46.50 | Ry12 | anyone kno where i can dl a backport of fileutils? |
| 06:47.07 | streuner | Ry12: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:47.17 | peterS | non-posix alert |
| 06:47.23 | buu | peterS: Fix my sound =[ |
| 06:47.26 | simonrvn | tail -n 1 |
| 06:47.28 | peterS | heh |
| 06:47.32 | peterS | buu: what happened to your sound? |
| 06:47.32 | Ry12 | im in xp atm i dont have eth0 working |
| 06:47.38 | kevinv | buu, That message only appears if it's in use, that's the only time. |
| 06:47.41 | buu | peterS: This game can't open /dev/dsp |
| 06:47.42 | streuner | simonrvn: no, that version works too ;-) |
| 06:47.50 | peterS | buu: does someone else have /dev/dsp open already? |
| 06:47.50 | Ry12 | tryin to upgrade to a kerenel with forcedeth |
| 06:47.52 | simonrvn | non-posix alert ;p |
| 06:48.04 | buu | peterS: Not as far as I can tell. mpg123 can open it just fine. |
| 06:48.05 | streuner | haha |
| 06:48.05 | kevinv | peterS, I tryed, maybe you'll have better luck |
| 06:48.07 | peterS | simonrvn: I'm glad you caught my meaning there |
| 06:48.14 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 06:48.32 | streuner | Ry12: in woody? |
| 06:48.33 | simonrvn | learning the ins and outs of a bsd helps a bit too ;) |
| 06:48.47 | peterS | buu: I've heard that doom3 can't handle the ALSA OSS emulation, it needs a real OSS device driver. I wonder if your culprit is something of that nature |
| 06:50.10 | Ry12 | thats not true. i ran doom3 fine with oss emu |
| 06:50.24 | buu | Hrm |
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| 06:50.34 | buu | peterS: Apparently the game tries to open /dev/dsp twice |
| 06:50.37 | peterS | Ry12: possibly this only happens in certain kernel versions. that would not surprise me |
| 06:50.45 | peterS | buu: oh, that's a problem. I wonder why it would do that |
| 06:50.49 | buu | peterS: How can I allow multiple proggies to access my sound card? |
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| 06:51.10 | simonrvn | shouldn't be trying to open twice, for starters |
| 06:51.10 | peterS | buu: a couple of options. loading an ALSA driver, and telling everyone to use ALSA, is one |
| 06:51.11 | Ry12 | only a few cards support that in linux |
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| 06:51.24 | peterS | buu: since ALSA includes a software mixer |
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| 06:51.44 | peterS | buu: another is using, and telling all your apps to use, a userspace multiplexor like esd or aRts |
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| 06:51.53 | buu | er, how might I do that? |
| 06:52.05 | freewoody | Is there a linux tool like Winscp ? |
| 06:52.05 | peterS | buu: what sound chip? what kernel version? |
| 06:52.20 | Ry12 | i think dmix is the software mixer for alsa |
| 06:52.31 | simonrvn | !dmix |
| 06:52.31 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 06:52.49 | peterS | freewoody: 'apt-cache search scp ssh' turns up 'secpanel'. sounds a bit promising |
| 06:52.50 | buu | peterS: 2.6.8-2-k7, cs46xx |
| 06:52.59 | karsten | freewoody: Ouch. |
| 06:53.18 | karsten | freewoody: Misfire... |
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| 06:53.27 | amy | heyas |
| 06:53.28 | karsten | furrywolf: Looks like it's the resistors. |
| 06:53.46 | peterS | buu: the alsa driver is called snd-cs46xx - you can load that module instead of cs46xx |
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| 06:53.58 | peterS | buu: then also load snd-pcm-oss for your non-alsa-aware apps to use |
| 06:54.00 | amy | what do i reconfigure to add new sources into my apt? |
| 06:54.11 | simonrvn | apt-setup |
| 06:54.11 | peterS | amy: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and run 'apt-get update' |
| 06:54.12 | buu | peterS: Do I need to unload the old module? |
| 06:54.15 | freewoody | I am having problems with: apt-get update |
| 06:54.24 | peterS | buu: yeah, or the new one will ignore the hardware |
| 06:54.28 | Ry12 | is it possibl e to set up apt to use backports.org? |
| 06:54.30 | karsten | !tell freewoody about smart questions |
| 06:54.31 | peterS | since it's already 'in use' |
| 06:54.35 | karsten | Ry12: Yes. |
| 06:54.44 | freewoody | Get:1 http://ftp.au.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 06:54.46 | freewoody | 99% [1 Packages gzip 0] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] 1B/s 0s |
| 06:54.46 | freewoody | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 06:54.47 | buu | peterS: soundcore 10400 2 snd,cs46xx; ac97_codec 18700 1 cs46xx |
| 06:54.55 | karsten | Ry12: Backports itself tells you how to set that up IIRC. |
| 06:54.58 | amy | heh peterS, i want to have the interface like during an install, i dont know the actual url of the source |
| 06:55.02 | amy | thanks simonrvn |
| 06:55.06 | peterS | buu: yeah, get rid of cs46xx and you may as well get rid of ac97_codec too, as nothing will need it |
| 06:55.07 | karsten | freewoody: rerun 'apt-get update' |
| 06:55.21 | buu | k |
| 06:55.25 | karsten | freewoody: ...or choose a different mirror. Could be a bad pull. |
| 06:55.28 | freewoody | Well I have |
| 06:55.35 | karsten | freewoody: While you're at it, check the file. What's in it? |
| 06:55.56 | amy | hmm |
| 06:56.00 | amy | that didnt work |
| 06:56.06 | peterS | what does "didnt work" mean? |
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| 06:56.12 | freewoody | deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 06:56.24 | freewoody | How do I fix it ? |
| 06:56.26 | buu | peterS: That's it? |
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| 06:56.40 | peterS | buu: unload those two modules, load 'snd-cs46xx' and 'snd-pcm-oss' instead, and yeah, that's it |
| 06:56.44 | buu | Yeah |
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| 06:56.56 | peterS | buu: to make sure this happens at boot time, edit /etc/modules or /etc/modules-2.6 (if you have the latter, it will override the former) |
| 06:57.06 | karsten | freewoody: bob2 was saying earlier that ftp.au.debian.org is b0rken. |
| 06:57.06 | freewoody | How do I get the apt-get fixed ? |
| 06:57.10 | Ry12 | anyone know if nvnet compiles on 2.4.18? |
| 06:57.14 | freewoody | OH |
| 06:57.15 | eskaypey | hey how do i remove gnome-control-center and not touching gnome-panel with debfoster? |
| 06:57.20 | freewoody | what should I do ? |
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| 06:57.33 | mike | hi. what the hell does this mean? |
| 06:57.34 | mike | Err http://ftp.au.debian.org testing/main Sources |
| 06:57.35 | mike | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:57.39 | buu | peterS: ------- sound initialization ------- /dev/dsp: No such device Could not open /dev/dsp =/ |
| 06:57.45 | amy | peterS: my problem is this: im getting mikes error |
| 06:57.49 | karsten | mike: Broken mirror. |
| 06:57.57 | amy | the mirror isnt broken |
| 06:58.04 | freewoody | How do I fix the sources.list |
| 06:58.16 | peterS | mike,amy: sure looks like the mirror is broken. seven years of bad luck, etc. |
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| 06:58.23 | amy | its a security.debian.org update that doesnt switch apt into bin mode for ftp transfers |
| 06:58.24 | buu | freewoody: Choose a new mirror! |
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| 06:58.36 | freewoody | How do I do that ? |
| 06:58.39 | buu | apt-setup |
| 06:58.40 | amy | it errors on woody on all ftp mirrors |
| 06:58.43 | streuner | Ry12: just upgrade to sarge |
| 06:58.50 | buu | peterS: I'm more important than these peons, fix me! |
| 06:59.00 | Ry12 | run the snddevices script that comes with the alsadrivers package |
| 06:59.00 | karsten | !ops please topic ftp.au.debian.org is broken. |
| 06:59.00 | karsten | amy: We've had several people pulling in bad packages file |
| 06:59.00 | mike | well that sucks |
| 06:59.00 | karsten | amy: Fix? |
| 06:59.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please topic ftp.au.debian.org is broken. |
| 06:59.07 | mike | im on sarge and im getting that error crap |
| 06:59.14 | Ry12 | sif, im not downloading the whole OS again |
| 06:59.20 | peterS | buu: you still get the /dev/dsp error after loading the alsa modules? |
| 06:59.20 | karsten | freewoody: One sec here. |
| 06:59.25 | karsten | mike: Give us a sec. |
| 06:59.32 | amy | the fix is to update apt to switch into bin mode for transfers |
| 06:59.33 | mike | karsten: okay |
| 06:59.35 | buu | peterS: No no, this is a different error |
| 06:59.37 | buu | Ry12: Was that directed at me? |
| 06:59.39 | streuner | Ry12: no, only those packages which aren't up to date ;-) |
| 06:59.45 | karsten | amy: How? Tell like to a n00b. |
| 06:59.45 | peterS | buu: what does 'dmesg | tail -n20' say - the snd-cs46xx driver *should* have reported some sort of status when it loaded |
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| 06:59.46 | freewoody | Ok just ftp.debian.org works |
| 06:59.47 | amy | over ftp |
| 06:59.50 | cafuego | ftp.au has been broken for a while |
| 07:00.06 | karsten | amy: Seems the site's broken, really, |
| 07:00.13 | simonrvn | @fix buu |
| 07:00.15 | amy | all my http mirrors work, and all my ftp ones are now broken |
| 07:00.17 | Ry12 | is there any bigpond unmeterd mirrors for debian |
| 07:00.21 | buu | peterS: I don't see any message from 'snd-cs46xx' just a couple from 'cs46xx' |
| 07:00.28 | peterS | ha! |
| 07:00.29 | cafuego | Ry12: Hahaha. |
| 07:00.31 | karsten | amy: freewoody / mike *are* using http |
| 07:00.33 | Ry12 | what? |
| 07:00.37 | cafuego | Ry12: You're kidding, right? |
| 07:00.42 | Ry12 | no |
| 07:00.44 | Agrajag- | mike: planetmirror.com.au <-- that' |
| 07:00.45 | Agrajag- | s why |
| 07:00.50 | streuner | Ry12: see, that's why :-P |
| 07:00.51 | karsten | amy: freewoody |
| 07:00.54 | peterS | amy: I doubt it has to do with binary/text mode for ftp, at any rate. there are a couple of reasons this is quite unlikely. |
| 07:00.58 | Agrajag- | mike: the optusnet mirror is a fast australian mirror |
| 07:00.59 | buu | peterS: If I do lsmod snd_pcm and so forth show up. |
| 07:01.01 | cafuego | Does bigpond any ANY unmetrerd content that's not sales revenue for Telstra? |
| 07:01.06 | streuner | Ry12: are you dialup? |
| 07:01.08 | amy | peterS: fair nuff |
| 07:01.09 | karsten | cafuego: spam |
| 07:01.13 | streuner | Ry12: on* |
| 07:01.17 | Ry12 | im 512/128 |
| 07:01.18 | Agrajag- | mike: mirror.optusnet.com.au/debian/ |
| 07:01.20 | smhar | hi.. |
| 07:01.26 | mike | Agrajag-: awsome |
| 07:01.28 | peterS | buu: you unloaded cs46xx before loading snd-cs46xx? |
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| 07:01.31 | karsten | freewoody: Are you sorted? |
| 07:01.31 | mike | Agrajag-: thanks dude. |
| 07:01.33 | streuner | Ry12: so why not just upgrade to sarge? |
| 07:01.38 | amy | cafuego: bigpond has some unmetered isos.... but they refuse to do update repos |
| 07:01.45 | cafuego | Ry12: try mirror.aarnet.edu.au or mirror.pacific.net.au |
| 07:01.46 | karsten | mike: Try http://ftp.debian.org/ |
| 07:01.51 | Ry12 | cus i spent all day installing woody |
| 07:01.51 | cafuego | amy: typical, they are SO shit. |
| 07:01.53 | karsten | mike: It's a round-robin mirror, should work. |
| 07:02.00 | mike | karsten: okay, thanks |
| 07:02.04 | buu | peterS: Yeah, rmmod cs46xx |
| 07:02.13 | smhar | hi.. someone please check my sources.list and advice in additions |
| 07:02.25 | sussudio | smhar: no |
| 07:02.26 | peterS | buu: because if you do it the other way around, snd-cs46xx will never pick up the sound chip, since it's in use at module load time |
| 07:02.28 | cafuego | Ry12: Or consider switching to Internode. |
| 07:02.33 | kevinv | How do I send an attachment with the 'mail' commnd, eg, an image file. |
| 07:02.37 | streuner | Ry12: ones you have debian installed its not that hard to upgrade |
| 07:02.38 | karsten | dpgk ftp.au.debian.org is appears broken for *both* ftp *and* http transfers. Use another mirror, eg: http://ftp.debian.org/ |
| 07:02.41 | buu | peterS: Now mpg123 won't play |
| 07:02.47 | smhar | I don't know how to use #flood. should I just post there or what? |
| 07:02.55 | karsten | kevinv: Use mutt with '-a' option. man mutt. |
| 07:02.58 | buu | peterS: It dies with "can't find a suitable libao driver" |
| 07:03.00 | Ry12 | so planetmirror.com.au is unmeterd with bigpond/? |
| 07:03.06 | karsten | smhar: Yes, paste to #flood. |
| 07:03.09 | Ry12 | if it is ill upgrade to sarge |
| 07:03.14 | Agrajag- | karsten: planetmirror should be back up soon |
| 07:03.18 | cafuego | kevinv: uuencode foo.jpg foo.jpg | mail user@host -s "find attached one image" |
| 07:03.20 | kevinv | karsten, but I want to be-able to use pipes |
| 07:03.20 | karsten | Agrajag-: ?? |
| 07:03.21 | peterS | buu: sounds to me as though snd-cs46xx failed to find your chip. what does this say? lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 07:03.24 | amy | is there a good working msn client in woody repos? |
| 07:03.25 | karsten | Agrajag-: Apropos what? |
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| 07:03.30 | karsten | kevinv: man mutt. |
| 07:03.31 | kevinv | cafuego, thanks |
| 07:03.33 | karsten | kevinv: You can. |
| 07:03.37 | Agrajag- | karsten: ftp.au.debian.org is planetmirror |
| 07:03.37 | cafuego | kevinv: Also check 'mpack'. |
| 07:03.53 | peterS | buu: should say something like 1013:6004 |
| 07:03.55 | karsten | kevinv: ...erm. If you want to use pipes, uuencode/uudecode. |
| 07:03.59 | SJr|Tecra | Um question, I've been having problems with samba 3.0.14a so I want to go back to 3.0.10 but I can't figure out snapshot.debian.net how do I select a date |
| 07:04.20 | smhar | karsten, it is there.. could you please look at it? |
| 07:04.21 | karsten | Agrajag-: OK. I ran into a wepage there in the past hour saying sitewide maint, site down for ~8 hours. |
| 07:04.25 | buu | peterS: hold on, I'm reloading |
| 07:04.25 | streuner | amy: /msg dpkg backport |
| 07:04.26 | kevinv | It was ment for a shell script, btw |
| 07:04.29 | karsten | smhar: I'm not in #flood. |
| 07:04.38 | Overand | i don't want to start a distro war. my friend's asking me 'why shouldn't i run redhat' after i set him up with a debian box. 'my friends tell me to use redhat for a server.' can i give this boy a url with bullet points or something? |
| 07:04.39 | karsten | smhar: Talk to whoever pointed you there. |
| 07:04.41 | kevinv | For fast and easy sending of images, eg. screenshots |
| 07:04.58 | Agrajag- | karsten: yeah.. i ran into that page > 8 hours ago :) |
| 07:05.00 | Overand | i haven't run redhat in YEARS, so i don't have any meaningful information to give him re: redhat vs. debian |
| 07:05.08 | cafuego | Overand: Tell him to try it for a while and see if he's still happy then. |
| 07:05.12 | simonrvn | SJr|Tecra: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool samba |
| 07:05.19 | buu | peterS: your command outputs: 1013:6003 |
| 07:05.24 | Overand | cafuego: hm |
| 07:05.26 | smhar | karsten, nobody.. I was just looking for advice to improve my sources.list.. I am newbie in debian |
| 07:05.29 | karsten | Agrajag-: http://www.speex.org/drafts/draft-herlein-speex-rtp-profile-00.txt |
| 07:05.33 | peterS | buu: right, that's supported by both cs46xx and snd-cs46xx, so that isn't the problem |
| 07:05.47 | simonrvn | SJr|Tecra: then use aptitude to choose the version after updating |
| 07:05.59 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmm aptitude? |
| 07:06.08 | Agrajag- | karsten: err looks interesting, but dont think that was for me? |
| 07:06.15 | amy | is backport the reasont that tcl/tk are mentioned in the apt database but not available to install? |
| 07:06.16 | karsten | smhar: Sorry, I'm a tad busy atm. |
| 07:06.23 | buu | peterS: Yay! |
| 07:06.25 | kevinv | sources.list, improve how? |
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| 07:06.32 | buu | peterS: Now mpg123 plays mp3s.. |
| 07:06.33 | kevinv | Better packages? |
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| 07:06.34 | smhar | karsten, it is ok.. thanks anyway |
| 07:06.36 | Overand | he probably wants a good local mirror |
| 07:06.36 | peterS | buu: eh? got it working? cool |
| 07:06.59 | buu | peterS: Score, it works now. |
| 07:07.00 | cafuego | Ry12: No, Bigpond only hosts a few ISOs, no full mirrors. |
| 07:07.00 | kevinv | I use only the testing packages, and I have all the goodies. |
| 07:07.02 | eskaypey | how do i remove gnome-control-center without touching gnome-panel with debfoster? |
| 07:07.03 | simonrvn | but i wouldn't go below 10, since there's security issues with samba that were fixed with the recent version |
| 07:07.04 | buu | peterS: I apparently missed a module that was using it |
| 07:07.06 | karsten | dpkg: planetmirror is (as of 02 May 2005) sitewide outage > 8 hours is affecting ftp.au.debian.org. Use another mirror, eg: ftp.debian.org. |
| 07:07.07 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 07:07.14 | buu | peterS: ac97_codec_lib_foo_bar or something |
| 07:07.14 | cafuego | useless bastards |
| 07:07.18 | peterS | amy: maybe, maybe not. sometimes something is mentioned in dependencies, but isn't literally available for installation. things like 'dpkg -l' and 'apt-cache rdepends' will report these |
| 07:07.24 | karsten | cafuego: You called? |
| 07:07.26 | amy | oohh, i found it |
| 07:07.37 | buu | peterS: You were mentioning someway to make this automatic? |
| 07:07.45 | karsten | !tell smhar about paster |
| 07:07.49 | peterS | buu: well well. just make sure you have 'snd-cs46xx' and 'snd-pcm-oss' are in /etc/modules and you'll not have any trouble at boot time |
| 07:07.53 | karsten | smhar: Paste there, post URL. |
| 07:08.01 | amy | its giving the wrong error... its actualy a fake package for tk8.1/8.2/8.3 |
| 07:08.03 | karsten | smhar: I'll look at it. Can't handle more channels... |
| 07:08.05 | Ry12 | what package has fileutils |
| 07:08.10 | peterS | Ry12: coreutils |
| 07:08.16 | pepsi_ | hi! I have a newly installed debian sarge testing system. I want to compile a custom kernel now. Is there any short, up to date, howto on this? (want 2.6, have an intel pc) |
| 07:08.18 | cafuego | Ry12: Which plan are you on, useage wise? |
| 07:08.19 | peterS | buu: the "right" way to configure alsa modules involves a config file and possibly running alsaconf, but editing /etc/modules is so much simpler |
| 07:08.31 | buu | peterS: Simpler++ |
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| 07:08.50 | buu | peterS: Excelent. Much thanks. |
| 07:08.57 | karsten | freewoody: If you've still got that b0rken packages file, is it an HTML page with this in it: http://www.speex.org/drafts/draft-herlein-speex-rtp-profile-00.txt ? |
| 07:09.04 | peterS | buu: I've heard from sooooo many people "I ran alsaconf and it still doesn't work..." - so I've given up on alsaconf being some magic bullet to sound config. I just don't trust it to work. |
| 07:09.23 | simonrvn | alsaconf is crap ;) |
| 07:09.24 | peterS | buu: whereas forcing the right two or three modules to load at boot time, via /etc/modules, *never* fails (: |
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| 07:09.33 | eskaypey | how do i remove gnome-control-center without touching gnome-panel with debfoster? |
| 07:09.55 | buu | peterS: Excellent. |
| 07:10.02 | karsten | eskaypey: What happens if you 'apt-get remove gnome-control-center' ? |
| 07:10.04 | simonrvn | eskaypey: don't use debfoster? check the deps? |
| 07:10.05 | buu | peterS: Now I'm off to slaughter those pesky germans |
| 07:10.13 | karsten | !tell eskaypey about repeat |
| 07:10.16 | peterS | buu: spare the ones who use debian |
| 07:10.20 | buu | peterS: But.. but.. |
| 07:10.22 | karsten | eskaypey: Why you're trying to use debfoster confuses me. |
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| 07:10.36 | peterS | buu: which, as it happens, is most Germans. it seems to be quite popular over there |
| 07:10.38 | kevinv | Well I created the shell script, It sent, I read it in mutt |
| 07:10.44 | kevinv | I sent it locally |
| 07:10.53 | Ry12 | what package has 'ash' and 'dash' |
| 07:11.02 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:11.02 | kevinv | But can for example a windows user see the image? |
| 07:11.04 | peterS | Ry12: dash |
| 07:11.10 | eskaypey | karsten: if i use apt-get remove gnome-control-center it removes gnome-panel as well |
| 07:11.21 | smhar | karsten, it is here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/78 , and thanks for the paster info.. it is nice |
| 07:11.27 | peterS | Ry12: I'm curious, though - why would someone who knows what ash is be unable to use 'apt-cache search'? |
| 07:11.35 | eskaypey | simonrvn: is deps another package? |
| 07:11.46 | simonrvn | short for dependencies |
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| 07:12.22 | peterS | bdlug66: don't do that please |
| 07:12.22 | kevinv | I'll take that as a yes |
| 07:12.30 | karsten | smhar: Got it. |
| 07:12.42 | karsten | eskaypey: Well, then, don't do that ;-) |
| 07:12.55 | peterS | !ops bdlug66, perhaps a bot, needs some CTCP love |
| 07:12.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: bdlug66, perhaps a bot, needs some CTCP love |
| 07:13.00 | karsten | eskaypey: WTF do you want to remove gnome-control-center? |
| 07:13.08 | bdlug66 | > |
| 07:13.11 | bdlug66 | ? bot |
| 07:13.13 | bdlug66 | :) |
| 07:13.23 | karsten | !tell bdlug66 about enter |
| 07:13.33 | karsten | smhar: What's the question, then ;-) |
| 07:14.03 | eskaypey | karsten: because i dont want it.. all i want on my system is gnome-panel |
| 07:14.07 | bdlug66 | i am looking for the kde path /path/to/kde-cvs/kde-common/admin |
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| 07:14.10 | kevinv | And to add a body to that e-mail I'd do, eg. uuencode xwds/saved.jpg saved.jpg | mail $1 -s "find attached one image" | cat msg.body |
| 07:14.12 | bdlug66 | where is the path |
| 07:14.16 | bdlug66 | in sarge testing |
| 07:14.18 | kevinv | Shell script param there btw |
| 07:14.18 | peterS | bdlug66: I assumed you were a bot because you enter a channel, immediately send a nonsense CTCP to the whole freaking channel, then when I tell you you should not have done so, you don't respond - no "oh sorry, that was a mistake" or anything |
| 07:14.30 | bdlug66 | ok |
| 07:14.44 | kevinv | I don't normally work with that many pipes |
| 07:14.46 | karsten | eskaypey: If dependencies require it, you probably shouldn't remove it. Deps are there for a reason |
| 07:15.01 | karsten | eskaypey: If you've got good reason to know that the deps are bogus, file a bug report. |
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| 07:15.12 | karsten | eskaypey: Fighting APT is strongly discouraged. |
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| 07:15.44 | bdlug66 | hello where is the /path/to/kde-cvs/kde-common/admin folder in sarge testing |
| 07:15.48 | smhar | :-) what are the basic 'sources' that is missing? someone told me about the marillat, anything else? does every thing else looks ok.. ? basic question :-) |
| 07:15.50 | eskaypey | karsten: ok ok.. you win , i'll live with control-center |
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| 07:15.58 | smhar | karsten, what are the basic 'sources' that is missing? someone told me about the marillat, anything else? does every thing else looks ok.. ? basic question :-) |
| 07:15.59 | blueillusion | hi guys, can you tell me what package jpeglib.h is apart of? |
| 07:16.01 | karsten | bdlug66: echo $PATH. It's set in init scripts (/etc/init.d/*) IIRC. |
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| 07:16.18 | peterS | blueillusion: libjpeg62-dev, I expect |
| 07:16.18 | karsten | !tell smhar about marillat |
| 07:16.40 | karsten | smhar: marillat is a third-party, unofficial source. You don't _need_ it. It's useful for A/V codecs though. |
| 07:17.32 | karsten | smhar: I think that's sane, though your real test is that the sources are reachable and you're getting all you need... |
| 07:18.12 | blueillusion | thanx peterS |
| 07:18.14 | karsten | smhar: Note you can combine sources, and probably should, eg: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 07:18.14 | karsten | smhar: One sec. |
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| 07:19.52 | Ry12 | im downloading coreutils 5, will it compile on woody? |
| 07:19.55 | karsten | smhar: http://channels.debian.net/paste/79 |
| 07:20.00 | karsten | smhar: That's my sources.list |
| 07:20.18 | ugv | i just installed sarge on my laptop everything goes fine except that my screeen is very small (right in the middle of the screen). anyway to make it 'maximize' the screen? toshiba laptop 4010. |
| 07:20.23 | bdlug66 | is Baghira remove from official debian packages |
| 07:20.25 | karsten | Ry12: How about trying. Then asking about stuff that doesn't work. |
| 07:20.26 | bdlug66 | i can't found it |
| 07:20.29 | karsten | cafuego: You and me both, bud. |
| 07:20.35 | zophyx | rock on |
| 07:20.50 | karsten | ugv: X or console? |
| 07:21.00 | ugv | karsten, X and i think console too. |
| 07:21.10 | Ry12 | ok bbl |
| 07:21.15 | pepsi_ | I need a tutorial for custom kernel building... found one at debian.org but it seem sort of depricated (it assumes I have LILO for instance, and the deb.installer installed grub!) |
| 07:21.44 | bdlug66 | i have create the linspire clear for debian http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23620 |
| 07:21.45 | karsten | ugv: Model? |
| 07:21.53 | karsten | ugv: Doh. 4010 |
| 07:21.56 | zophyx | X ? |
| 07:22.00 | zophyx | that's weird |
| 07:22.02 | ugv | karsten, yes. |
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| 07:22.24 | karsten | ugv: No direct experience. I STR something about an odd X driver... |
| 07:22.41 | karsten | ugv: speaking of which, which driver are you using? 'lspci | grep VGA' for card. |
| 07:22.45 | ugv | STR? |
| 07:22.52 | zophyx | for console there is usually a bios setting to expand the video to fil the screen |
| 07:22.55 | simonrvn | seem to recall/remember |
| 07:23.10 | ugv | karsten, trident. |
| 07:23.12 | ugv | simonrvn, i see. |
| 07:23.20 | cafuego | If you're on woody and think you need you need newer software, maybe you you should consider sarge. |
| 07:23.45 | ugv | cafuego, for me? im using sarge. |
| 07:23.50 | karsten | ugv: Portege? |
| 07:23.54 | ugv | karsten, yes. |
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| 07:24.53 | ugv | this laptop can run 1024x768 but right now its only running at 800x600. not sure if this is the cause. |
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| 07:25.14 | cafuego | ugv: no, who are you? |
| 07:25.38 | ugv | cafuego, erm. nvm. i asked a question and i thought you're talking to me. |
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| 07:26.01 | cafuego | ugv: No, I was making snide comments about Ry12 (who has left) |
| 07:26.12 | ugv | cafuego, ah. ok. |
| 07:26.57 | karsten | ugv: Sorry, no data. Try posting to the debian-laptop mailing list. |
| 07:27.18 | ugv | karsten, ah. ok ;\ |
| 07:27.25 | ugv | what's the cmd to reconfigure X again? |
| 07:27.43 | zophyx | ugv: you really have an X screen that is small ? |
| 07:27.59 | ugv | there must be a way to get this running on debian (sarge) because i've tried it on fedora3 and it works. |
| 07:28.10 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 07:28.10 | dpkg | xcfg is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:28.12 | ugv | zophyx, yes. right in the middle. |
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| 07:30.07 | zophyx | ugv: turn on the exopand video to fill the screen option in your bios and see if that changes things for it |
| 07:30.18 | zophyx | it's a long shot, but worth a try |
| 07:30.31 | zophyx | it usually only affects the consile |
| 07:30.46 | zophyx | and the console too |
| 07:31.00 | simonrvn | consul as well |
| 07:31.08 | zophyx | surely |
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| 07:32.10 | zophyx | my sony laptop has the fewest bios options of any laptop i have ever seen |
| 07:32.13 | zophyx | i like that |
| 07:33.11 | karsten | zophyx: Try old-time stinkpads. |
| 07:33.46 | zophyx | what is a stinkpad ? |
| 07:34.04 | karsten | zophyx: Thinkpad. |
| 07:34.07 | peterS | zophyx: an affectionate name for the IBM ThinkPad product line |
| 07:34.10 | zophyx | the first laptops were so very lame |
| 07:34.16 | olyjake | I've got a Debian-KDE box, and X is trying to display at the wrong horiz./vert. sync rate. I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, to no avail. |
| 07:34.40 | zophyx | i've never been so leet as to own an ibm stinkpad |
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| 07:35.42 | olyjake | Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 07:35.47 | ugv | is there a way to rollback to the default configuration? after i run dpkg reconfigure my X, i cant start X (i might have misconfigured wrongly some of the option) |
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| 07:36.04 | freewoody | How do I install the "unrar" program |
| 07:36.17 | tomb0y | apt-get install unrar |
| 07:36.50 | freewoody | It says that the package is not there ? |
| 07:36.51 | Gathond | unrar-nonfree might be better, depending on the exact file you need to unpack |
| 07:36.59 | freewoody | Thanks |
| 07:37.16 | Gathond | freewoody: if we are talking woody it might also be in the rar package |
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| 07:37.24 | freewoody | I am using Sarge |
| 07:37.36 | zophyx | apt-cache search unrar |
| 07:37.37 | olyjake | except that I think it's actually rar that you want. You can get it from www.rarlab.com |
| 07:37.51 | nimb | can anyone recommend a good latex aware spell checker? |
| 07:38.05 | freewoody | How do I install rar |
| 07:38.20 | cafuego | Downloading garbage file ............. done. |
| 07:38.21 | zophyx | wow ther is no unrar |
| 07:38.27 | cafuego | freewoody: apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 07:38.31 | dondelelcaro | !info unrar |
| 07:38.32 | cafuego | zophyx: you lie |
| 07:38.37 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 07:38.43 | dondelelcaro | zophyx: ^^^ |
| 07:38.47 | zophyx | my cache search returned nothing |
| 07:38.51 | olyjake | Yeah, apt-get install rar works. |
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| 07:39.02 | freewoody | It does not work for me |
| 07:39.06 | cafuego | zophyx: There are 2. A free one which cna't read new RAs and a non-free one. |
| 07:39.06 | dondelelcaro | nimb: ispell in emacs deals properly with it |
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| 07:39.17 | cafuego | freewoody: you need to add the non-free repository. |
| 07:39.26 | zophyx | apt-cache search rar, returned too much noise |
| 07:39.29 | tomb0y | woody has rar/unrar sarge is just rar |
| 07:39.32 | freewoody | What is the name for the repository |
| 07:39.42 | dondelelcaro | !info unrar sarge |
| 07:40.16 | cafuego | !tell freewoody -about non-free |
| 07:40.30 | dondelelcaro | tomb0y: yes, that's because of #265045 |
| 07:40.59 | tomb0y | cafuego: you dont need non-free for unrar in sarge. |
| 07:41.26 | kevinv | !tell kevinv -about non-free |
| 07:41.32 | dondelelcaro | kevinv: you can /msg the bot |
| 07:41.35 | cafuego | !eye tomb0y |
| 07:41.54 | cafuego | tomb0y: note thr bit where I mention the free one can't extract some NEW rars |
| 07:42.08 | peterS | there are new rars out there? |
| 07:42.11 | freewoody | What is the line for the non-free repository in sources.list ? |
| 07:42.20 | peterS | are they useful, or just warez like the old ones? |
| 07:42.28 | cafuego | peterS: I downloaded one the other day, needed the non-free to extract it. |
| 07:42.44 | cafuego | peterS: I'll respectfully decline to comment. |
| 07:42.50 | peterS | right |
| 07:42.56 | tomb0y | cafuego: never came across any that unrar 3.3 couldnt do |
| 07:43.03 | cafuego | Well, I'll _GET_ Tiger when the mac Mini arrives. |
| 07:43.08 | kevinv | I used 'X Selection' that's why i did it that way. |
| 07:43.18 | kevinv | Faster then re-type |
| 07:43.28 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I still haven't figured out why people even use rar... |
| 07:43.37 | cafuego | tomb0y: That's noce for you. I have. |
| 07:43.57 | kevinv | Ever tried 7zip? |
| 07:44.06 | kevinv | It's GNU I believe. |
| 07:44.06 | peterS | dondelelcaro: you mean why the warezers use it to compress? obviously people use unrar to extract whatever the warezers put out.. |
| 07:44.19 | kevinv | Found it in the GNUWinII CDs |
| 07:44.26 | b33r | i typed # adduser b33r src, then typed groups and src wasnt listed, is that normal? |
| 07:44.26 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yes... |
| 07:44.47 | peterS | b33r: yeah. for group membership to take effect you have to re-login |
| 07:44.56 | kevinv | But is 7zip also for Debian? |
| 07:45.03 | peterS | b33r: group membership is looked up only at login time, and applied to your login shell |
| 07:45.07 | cafuego | peterS: well, 'unrar' the windows app is more useful than unzip. They probably use whatever it compresses to by default. |
| 07:45.16 | kevinv | It has good compression |
| 07:45.32 | b33r | thanks PeterS |
| 07:45.37 | cafuego | kevinv: Disk space is cheaper then cpu cycles |
| 07:45.44 | mike | !beer |
| 07:45.44 | dpkg | well, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 07:45.55 | mike | bloody oath |
| 07:46.12 | kevinv | cafuego, oh, good point 7zip is slow. |
| 07:46.44 | cafuego | I think that even badwidth is cheaper then cpu cycles these days... |
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| 07:46.59 | loren | is debian's primary color a red or a pink? |
| 07:47.01 | loren | curious |
| 07:47.16 | kevinv | But for a copying to many floppies, 7zip is thw way. For those old systems that don't have Internet nor CD-ROMs, how sad. |
| 07:47.16 | peterS | loren: a pink |
| 07:47.30 | loren | thanks :) |
| 07:47.33 | cafuego | loren: Darkish grey |
| 07:47.42 | b33r | sparcstation 10 |
| 07:47.49 | peterS | kevinv: zip and 'split -b1400000' works too (: |
| 07:47.54 | loren | cafuego: darkish grey? |
| 07:48.00 | cafuego | moving a harddisk too |
| 07:48.01 | zophyx | red,green, and blue are the primary colors |
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| 07:48.06 | cafuego | loren: <-- colour blind ;-) |
| 07:48.10 | kevinv | peterS, but how many more floppies then 7zip? |
| 07:48.26 | loren | cafuego: what do you mean? do you have a link to where they have their dark grey thingo |
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| 07:48.27 | kevinv | zip isn't under the GNU fully. |
| 07:48.31 | peterS | kevinv: depends on what you are transferring. if you care that much about compression ratio you use bzip2 and raw writing to floppies, I suppose |
| 07:48.32 | kevinv | So I try not to use ity |
| 07:48.43 | cafuego | loren: No, it's just what it looks like to some of us. |
| 07:49.00 | peterS | kevinv: what problem do you have with the zip license, then? or does it bother you that it isn't developed directly by the Free Software Foundation? |
| 07:49.13 | kevinv | peterS, That works? Oh right, I read that somewhere. |
| 07:49.19 | loren | 0_O strange |
| 07:49.40 | kevinv | peterS, not under the FSF |
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| 07:49.52 | b33r | how can i change group ownership on a directory |
| 07:49.53 | resiak | kevinv: Nor is the kernel. What's your point? |
| 07:49.59 | peterS | kevinv: shrug. lots of things aren't developed by the FSF. I guess I hope you don't use the Linux kernel |
| 07:49.59 | b33r | from root to src |
| 07:50.07 | interalia | hi, does anyone know whether/how you can control the order printers are listed by cups? specifically from an lpstat -a ? |
| 07:50.10 | cafuego | Pantone 200C according to photoshop. |
| 07:50.13 | interalia | the list seems to be sorted alphabetically |
| 07:50.20 | interalia | but I'd prefer a specific order |
| 07:50.28 | peterS | cafuego: heh |
| 07:50.28 | loren | anyone know the maker of debain's email? i'm kindof doing webdesign for a class and desided to make a tempalte for debian as it's in diar need of a makeover |
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| 07:50.45 | kevinv | peterS, resiak, I thought it was part of the GNU, hence the name GNU/Linux |
| 07:51.03 | kevinv | Mostly what I care about is the GNU. |
| 07:51.07 | peterS | kevinv: "part of" gnu is just semantics. it's "part of" anything that wants to claim it is part of it |
| 07:51.12 | kevinv | The FSF comes next |
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| 07:51.23 | cafuego | loren: Check the footer at the bottom of every debian page. |
| 07:51.42 | loren | SPI? |
| 07:52.08 | dondelelcaro | loren: what exactly are you talking about? the website? |
| 07:52.14 | peterS | kevinv: the FSF can say Linux is "part of" the GNU system. I can say the Linux kernel is "part of" the PeterS Operating System. doesn't mean I, or the FSF, are doing any of the work on it |
| 07:52.28 | loren | dondelelcaro: yeah website template |
| 07:52.41 | dondelelcaro | loren: see the debian-www group |
| 07:52.56 | loren | dondelelcaro: i emailed them two centuries ago and never got a reply |
| 07:53.19 | loren | dondelelcaro: they're very bad at replying |
| 07:53.32 | loren | or checking their mail for that matter |
| 07:53.35 | cafuego | loren: You didn't suggest replacing it with flash/javascript content, did you? |
| 07:53.52 | dondelelcaro | loren: uh, *who* did you e-mail? |
| 07:53.53 | kevinv | peterS, oh. So you claim it as your own. hmmm |
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| 07:54.06 | peterS | kevinv: I can if I want. same as the FSF does. it doesn't mean anything |
| 07:54.20 | kevinv | peterS: Like many did, such as Debra, and Ian. Right? |
| 07:54.21 | loren | cafuego: haha, heck no, i hate flash and javascript is decently ok, but i basically sent images of a "idea" or whatever of what i had and erm, asked for a reply if they wanted me to develop it further |
| 07:54.27 | kuru | okay, off question.. how do I make alsa keep the same pcm level I have for my sound on each reboot |
| 07:54.35 | kuru | I get tired of having to set it from 0 to whatever |
| 07:54.40 | loren | dondelelcaro: flash would bog down the server and make it very undynamic especially for the size of the site |
| 07:54.59 | peterS | kevinv: your fixation on "the FSF says this is their system so that's what I'm going to use" is a bit silly, considering they put their endorsement on a lot of stuff they write and a lot of stuff they have little to do with |
| 07:55.10 | dondelelcaro | loren: uh, I didn't say anything about flash... and flash (generally) has nothing to do with the server. |
| 07:55.37 | peterS | dondelelcaro: no, that was cafuego |
| 07:55.41 | loren | dondelelcaro: " flash/javascript "? 0_o lol |
| 07:55.59 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yes... |
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| 07:56.29 | dondelelcaro | loren: again, who exactly did you e-mail? |
| 07:56.49 | loren | dondelelcaro: debian-www |
| 07:57.07 | dondelelcaro | loren: what was the message-id? |
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| 07:57.25 | loren | dondelelcaro: let me look for it, it was a while back |
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| 07:57.29 | loren | dondelelcaro: one minuet |
| 07:58.35 | loren | dondelelcaro: www.Debian.org Website proposal sent Febuary 13th |
| 07:58.53 | loren | dondelelcaro: to debian-www |
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| 07:59.39 | loren | dondelelcaro: i'm strictly sticking to the template that's currently in place since i wasn't sure what debian would like for their site, i have a more upgraded version right now as im working on it now |
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| 08:00.03 | kevinv | coolest 404 ever: http://www.ibiblio.org/maven/jta/jars/ |
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| 08:00.46 | cafuego | kevinv: waste of bandwidth |
| 08:01.15 | kevinv | cafuego, I didn't make it, I found it. |
| 08:01.19 | peterS | kevinv: you mean any 404 from ibiblio.org? do they still do that "404 in 300 languages" thing? |
| 08:01.30 | cafuego | peterS: yep |
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| 08:01.43 | freewoody | I still can't ssh graphically ? |
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| 08:01.49 | dondelelcaro | loren: uh, I don't see it here http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2005/02/threads.html at all. |
| 08:01.56 | ugv | hi guys, there must be a way to get this screen to expand to fit the screen. right now the screen on my laptop is only in the center. im using toshiba portege 4010. (already enable the option expand screen in BIOs) |
| 08:01.58 | freewoody | Don't we have a Linux version of WinScp ? |
| 08:02.06 | caphuso | *shudder* |
| 08:02.09 | ugv | any solution? |
| 08:02.17 | dondelelcaro | freewoody: just use scp or ssh. |
| 08:02.25 | peterS | kevinv: bah. I contributed a line to that 404 page awhile back but they never added it |
| 08:02.28 | cafuego | freewoody: The gnome and kde file managers both transparently support ssh. |
| 08:02.35 | freewoody | It can't let me copy |
| 08:02.38 | freewoody | using the shell |
| 08:02.51 | dondelelcaro | freewoody: sure it will. scp foomachine:./foo/file .; |
| 08:02.54 | kevinv | The problem is your fault. -- Webmaster (local dialect) |
| 08:03.02 | kevinv | love that one |
| 08:03.52 | mc_ | me too |
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| 08:03.58 | loren | dondelelcaro: very strange indeed... hmmh, makes me wonder if i was thought to be spam or something like that, i'll upload the current demo pic of what i have, btw, are you a developer? |
| 08:04.00 | peterS | and what's up with the "Belgian (Antwerp dialect)" line? isn't that Flemish or Flämisch or Dutch or something? |
| 08:04.08 | dondelelcaro | loren: yes, but I don't work on teh website. |
| 08:04.14 | madsen | furrywolf: You around? |
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| 08:04.54 | loren | dondelelcaro: Ah, well work on it or not it's good to at least know i can present something to someone lol |
| 08:05.00 | cafuego | peterS: No, that's not dutch. it's a dialect of flemish. |
| 08:05.11 | dondelelcaro | loren: also, you should see http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/?cvsroot=webwml |
| 08:05.16 | peterS | cafuego: ok. I mainly wonder why it is labeled as "Belgian" |
| 08:05.28 | cafuego | peterS: they tend to be dumb |
| 08:05.37 | peterS | heh |
| 08:05.41 | freewoody | SSH does not work on the command |
| 08:05.43 | freewoody | prompt |
| 08:05.48 | loren | dondelelcaro: http://omnidev.net/loren/debian1.png that's what i've got sitting in front of me |
| 08:05.49 | cafuego | peterS: I do note the curse in the Carinthian one :-) |
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| 08:05.56 | cafuego | freewoody: 'ssh' not 'SSH' |
| 08:05.58 | kevinv | What's rot 13? |
| 08:06.06 | freewoody | So secpanel does not work too ? |
| 08:06.10 | caphuso | kevinv: ultra secure encryption algorithm |
| 08:06.12 | peterS | cafuego: so Dutch and Flemish are distinct? some people talk as though it's a single language with two names |
| 08:06.14 | cafuego | !rot13 abcdefghijklm |
| 08:06.15 | dpkg | nopqrstuvwxyz |
| 08:06.17 | kevinv | oh ya |
| 08:06.20 | cafuego | kevinv: see? |
| 08:06.27 | kevinv | I thought it was a language |
| 08:06.34 | kevinv | not an algorithm |
| 08:06.46 | caphuso | kevinv: caesar with an offset of 13 |
| 08:06.54 | cafuego | peterS: No, they have a common ancestor, but are two distinct languages. |
| 08:06.55 | kevinv | Binaries there too lol |
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| 08:07.23 | cafuego | peterS: Most dutch will be able to follow most belgians and vice versa, but there are oddities. |
| 08:07.32 | peterS | cafuego: so I guess I shouldn't go around saying "yeah, cafuego speaks Low German" |
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| 08:08.04 | cafuego | peterS: Ich hab ja heute gar kein Deutsch gesprochen. |
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| 08:08.17 | peterS | heh |
| 08:08.51 | mc_ | Deutsche trifft man auch überall ^^ |
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| 08:09.14 | cafuego | mc_: Ja, est gibt zu viele Deutsche im Welt. |
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| 08:09.19 | loren | dondelelcaro: anything else you think i need to know i'll probably resubmit the thing tomarrow |
| 08:09.43 | mc_ | cafuego, du bist gar kein deutscher oder? |
| 08:09.57 | mc_ | es heist nämlich in der Welt ^^ |
| 08:10.13 | cafuego | mc_: Käsekpof. |
| 08:10.23 | mc_ | was? |
| 08:10.24 | cafuego | s/pof/opf/ |
| 08:10.29 | cafuego | Holländer |
| 08:10.47 | mc_ | achso |
| 08:10.51 | kevinv | We got mc_ taking now. |
| 08:10.57 | mc_ | ich bin Österreicher |
| 08:11.10 | cafuego | Zut alors, je suis Hollandais! |
| 08:11.15 | streuner | mc_: talk english |
| 08:11.16 | kevinv | I'll use google to translate lol |
| 08:11.34 | mc_ | streuner, ok |
| 08:11.40 | cafuego | streuner: I'm talking english, just typing in german/french |
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| 08:12.27 | tyrese | is it possible to use rsync to get files from another machine, but never delete files locally? only update them? |
| 08:12.34 | bob2 | sure |
| 08:12.37 | bob2 | just don't use --delete |
| 08:12.40 | kevinv | duh, google couldn't |
| 08:12.49 | kevinv | tryed german |
| 08:12.50 | bob2 | I use it exactly like that to move music from my ripping machine to the file server |
| 08:13.00 | streuner | cafuego: iam in good mood, so i ignore what you saying ;-) |
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| 08:13.05 | tyrese | bob2, Oh my gosh! that's exactly what I want to do! |
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| 08:13.11 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:13.33 | bob2 | if you don't use --delete, it will only ever add files and dirs, never remove them |
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| 08:14.15 | tyrese | bob2, Thanks! now i have to go google rsync commands |
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| 08:14.17 | bob2 | rsync -azvv ~/music/ user@remotehost:/blah/blah/ |
| 08:14.25 | kevinv | http://www.google.com/search?q=rsync |
| 08:14.39 | kevinv | http://www.google.com/search?q=rsync+commands |
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| 08:15.02 | liable | hmm cp isnt working |
| 08:15.13 | tyrese | bob2, Thanks, u just saved me some bandwith! |
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| 08:15.35 | kevinv | it works as a shell script eg. http://www.google.com/search?q=$1 |
| 08:15.39 | bob2 | note that you'll be cpu-bound if either machine is slow |
| 08:15.42 | madsen | ugh! I'm having a really hard time getting this Wacom tablet working! Anyone into that? |
| 08:15.47 | kevinv | possible use perls CGI with URLEncoding. |
| 08:16.19 | kevinv | CGI modules works with the console right? |
| 08:16.46 | JohnnyST | Dose someone know of an howto to create an ssl certificate in sarge for apache-ssl? |
| 08:16.46 | kevinv | well it should |
| 08:16.46 | kevinv | it's perl |
| 08:16.47 | bob2 | kevinv: your question doesn't make much sense |
| 08:16.58 | bob2 | kevinv: but you can use the perl CGI module in a command line program |
| 08:17.08 | bob2 | JohnnyST: it generates one on install |
| 08:17.20 | bob2 | JohnnyST: if you want a proper cert, www.cacert.org might be what you want |
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| 08:18.34 | JohnnyST | bob2: know but it expires just after the installation.. |
| 08:18.58 | JohnnyST | bob2, I want to make a new one that is for one year.. |
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| 08:19.26 | JohnFlux | hey all |
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| 08:19.37 | ugv | how do i default to a window manager like fluxbox? |
| 08:19.48 | JohnFlux | I screwed up my XF86Config-4 file somehow - it's not recognising the mouse now |
| 08:20.02 | ravn | anyone: what to do when k3b says "could not open for writing". I have +rw on my hdc... |
| 08:20.05 | JohnFlux | what's the best way of regenerating the file? |
| 08:20.20 | JohnFlux | it's a usb mouse |
| 08:22.12 | drac | !x md5sum |
| 08:22.12 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 08:22.17 | drac | ^ JohnFlux |
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| 08:23.09 | JohnFlux | ah thanks. |
| 08:23.17 | JohnFlux | i was wondering why it wasn't working |
| 08:23.20 | b33r | why use symlinks? why not just use make in the original directory? |
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| 08:27.45 | Vince34 | hi (: |
| 08:28.03 | JohnnyST | bob2, I got it working now.. |
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| 08:28.19 | PyroMathi | HDDVD is coming out soon: http://news.com.com/Warner+Bros.%2C+Microsoft+team+on+high-def+format/2100-1041_3-5675480.html |
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| 08:30.01 | _mc_ | hi vince |
| 08:30.16 | liable | hmm, for some reason I couldnt copy a directory, but could move it. cp gave no errors |
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| 08:30.40 | ISkywalker | which program is good for making a screenshot |
| 08:30.54 | resiak | scrot |
| 08:30.57 | streuner | !ss |
| 08:30.57 | dpkg | i heard ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 08:30.59 | loren | Q: would the debian site look better in hot-pink and blue or hot-pink and grey |
| 08:31.00 | mike | ISkywalker: import |
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| 08:31.20 | mike | ISkywalker: import is easy, and no need for extra software |
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| 08:32.18 | ISkywalker | thx import did the jpg |
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| 08:34.15 | JohnFlux | why might "pump" not work? I've had problems with it before. |
| 08:34.42 | peterS | JohnFlux: "why" is a useless question. it just has problems with some DHCP servers. 'dhclient' seems to be more reliable overall |
| 08:34.50 | JohnFlux | I can't get the internet connection up (via LAN) in order to get dhclient ;( |
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| 08:35.31 | JohnFlux | what on my network would be preventing me from just assigning myself any IP? |
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| 08:35.41 | JohnFlux | could the switch do that? |
| 08:36.20 | JohnFlux | I've had this before - if a machine is assigned an ip via dhcp it works, but if I set it manually it can't even ping any other machine |
| 08:36.52 | liable | JohnFlux: what does ifconfig tell you |
| 08:36.54 | JohnFlux | if I could disable that security (or fix my braindead brain) then I could get an internet connection long enough to get dhclient |
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| 08:37.43 | JohnFlux | liable: hmm the usual stuff. That the link is down. If I set the ip addy manually and bring it up it looks ordinary |
| 08:37.55 | JohnFlux | I get a kernel message confirming that the link status is up |
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| 08:38.35 | snadge | can pppoa be used over ethernet in debian? |
| 08:38.47 | snadge | i've been told its more efficient than pppoe.. less overhead |
| 08:38.49 | snadge | bridge mode |
| 08:39.07 | JohnFlux | what's the "a" ? |
| 08:39.07 | peterS | snadge: pppoa requires an ATM transport. Ethernet isn't ATM |
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| 08:39.12 | JohnFlux | ah atm |
| 08:39.45 | peterS | snadge: 'bridge mode' doesn't sound like ppp anyway. I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking it uses a more direct IP over ATM thing |
| 08:40.26 | snadge | some ethernet adsl modems allow you to put them into bridge mode which you can use either pppoe (which works and is supported) or pppoa (which there doesnt seem to be much info about) |
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| 08:41.01 | peterS | snadge: the kernel has a pppoa module but I think it's just for ADSL modems that allow a more direct connection to the host than Ethernet. like PCI or USB |
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| 08:42.31 | peterS | snadge: at any rate, if it's just a matter of how the modem is talking to the PC, believe me, the 100 Mbit Ethernet connection is *not* your bottleneck anyway |
| 08:43.25 | JohnFlux | peterS: very curious.. I 'fixed' the problem |
| 08:43.41 | peterS | JohnFlux: oh? how? |
| 08:43.44 | JohnFlux | peterS: fyi, I switched from the standard 2.4 kernel to the standard 2.6 kernel |
| 08:43.45 | snadge | peterS, i think its more about the encapsulation.. on a low level, adsl uses ATM between the modem and the ISP.. pppoe adds encapsulation to that, or an overhead, which has a slight impact on performance |
| 08:43.57 | JohnFlux | peters: standard debian kernel that is |
| 08:44.11 | JohnFlux | peterS: and now pump works fine. |
| 08:44.23 | peterS | snadge: it uses ATM, yes. I was always under the impression that the DSL modem talked PPPoA upstream, and PPPoE to your computer, and did the translation internally |
| 08:44.40 | peterS | JohnFlux: heh, nice to know |
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| 08:44.51 | NotJohnFlux | woot |
| 08:44.55 | peterS | heh |
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| 08:48.48 | freewoody | How do I play Windows Media Player files in Debian ? |
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| 08:49.28 | peterS | freewoody: some will play in libxine-based apps, others (wmv9) require a codec that "fell off the truck" which you have to obtain externally |
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| 08:49.52 | jaro | Hi everyone. I would like to ask, whether there is any speed decrease when using kernel modules instead of monolithic kernel? I'm compiling kernel for embedded device, but would like to keep kernel image as small as possible. |
| 08:49.57 | peterS | freewoody: by 'libxine-based apps' I mean the totem-xine package |
| 08:50.01 | freewoody | So what do I have to do to play WMV files ? |
| 08:50.04 | jaro | With on-disk extensions. |
| 08:50.37 | peterS | jaro: depends on your memory management. on i386 there is a very small performance hit |
| 08:50.51 | jaro | peterS: mipsel |
| 08:50.54 | peterS | jaro: but since you're talking about an embedded device, I assume it's not i386-based. so I can't answer your question |
| 08:51.08 | peterS | jaro: anyway, modules *do* eat a bit of memory, since the kernel allocates space for them in 4096-byte chunks |
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| 08:51.48 | peterS | jaro: I don't know if mips has a concept of huge pages, or other TLB optimisations, that can be performed on the monolithic kernel but not on modules |
| 08:51.51 | _R_R | hello, I suddenly got thunderbird-troubles, thunderbird used to work fine but suddenly it just starts to eat resources (96% CPU and just keeps running) and it doesn't work any longer; starting from konsole it show me DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 need to reset thread root key and 3 more time the reset thread root key.... after that: nothing but resource usage, any clues? |
| 08:52.14 | peterS | jaro: I don't even know, come to think of it, whether the TLB is hardware- or software-driven on mips (: |
| 08:52.17 | smhar | hi.. anybody know of a good robot programming game available for linux? i've seen few for windows and they were fun? |
| 08:52.29 | freewoody | Which plugins do totem-xine need to play windows media player clips ? |
| 08:52.34 | devserve | _R_R: what did you do as it was changing from working well to not working? |
| 08:53.20 | _R_R | devserce: nothing much, just searched for an email message, found it, read it, clear the search area.... boom, gone |
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| 08:53.37 | _R_R | devserve: nothing much, just searched for an email message, found it, read it, clear the search area.... boom, gone |
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| 08:53.55 | devserve | compile a new kernel lately? |
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| 08:54.10 | _R_R | nope |
| 08:54.24 | devserve | any other installation you did at the time? |
| 08:54.45 | freewoody | Can somebody help to play WMP clips in Debian |
| 08:54.49 | _R_R | no, just updated thunderbird after the trouble began... didn't make a difference |
| 08:54.56 | jaro | peterS: I'm just trying to make rootfs based on libc instead of uclibc and have to strip some things off in order to fit it into the limited space of flashdisk. I don't even know if it would be possible :) |
| 08:55.13 | bob2 | freewoody: sure |
| 08:55.15 | jaro | peterS: anyway, thanks for explanation. |
| 08:55.41 | smhar | ok.. any easy way to add java to my sarge testing? |
| 08:55.41 | freewoody | I tried playing WMP files with totem-xine and xine-ui |
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| 08:55.48 | freewoody | It did not work out |
| 08:55.58 | madsen | still no Wacom/tablet wizards around? |
| 08:56.03 | bob2 | freewoody: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 08:56.14 | bob2 | madsen: you'd be way better off asking on the -user list |
| 08:56.24 | bob2 | madsen: if you don't get an answer there, ask on the debian-x list. |
| 08:56.28 | madsen | bob2: What -user list? |
| 08:56.30 | IDC | My current partition is all in NTFS,if i use tool to repartition a partition for Debian,after install ,will LILO boot the dual OS safely ? |
| 08:56.32 | mike | when will ftp.au.debian.org be up? approx...? |
| 08:56.37 | peterS | madsen: he means debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:56.44 | madsen | peterS: Oh! |
| 08:56.46 | IDC | I mean,lilo does have no problem booting to NTFS ? |
| 08:56.52 | liable | are all the apt mirrors down? |
| 08:56.54 | bob2 | madsen: the debian-user list. |
| 08:56.57 | bob2 | liable: no, of course not |
| 08:56.58 | madsen | Well, he might be right. |
| 08:57.05 | bob2 | mike: ftp.au.debian.org is often fucked |
| 08:57.11 | bob2 | mike: try mirror.aarnet |
| 08:57.15 | smhar | will a simple apt-get install java do? |
| 08:57.39 | freewoody | Can VLC player WMP clips ? |
| 08:57.40 | liable | bob2: just tried aus and nz, both down, says there doing maintenance |
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| 08:57.45 | IDC | EXT2+NTFS,lilo the boot manager, this has any issues ? |
| 08:57.57 | devserve | smhar: java is nonfree plus undistributable by debian... |
| 08:58.00 | devserve | however... |
| 08:58.01 | bob2 | liable: ok! two out of the whole world != all debian mirrors |
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| 08:58.04 | bob2 | IDC: no |
| 08:58.20 | mike | bob2: this is the first time i've ever seen ftp.au.debian.org down or fucked. |
| 08:58.22 | IDC | bob2, for sure ? i was at google,some people say it did have some problem ... |
| 08:58.30 | IDC | i am not sure |
| 08:58.47 | bob2 | mike: hm, it was always broken for me over the past few years |
| 08:58.59 | devserve | you can get java-package, get a jdk or jre, use java-package to create a debian package from the jdk or jre, install that debian package |
| 08:59.01 | liable | bob2: pfft well, the web page says planet mirror, I dunno what else there mirrored on |
| 08:59.15 | mike | bob2: hrmm |
| 08:59.21 | liable | mike: put the url in a browser you will see |
| 08:59.24 | smhar | devserve, I know.. so is mplayer.. but I have mplayer working in my debian by using apt-get install mplayer.. is the same possiblefor java? or debian users must do without java |
| 08:59.25 | mike | bob2: where are you situated? |
| 08:59.45 | mike | liable: no, in apt-get the gziped packages are fucked |
| 08:59.57 | devserve | smhar: I already answered your question... now you have reading to do |
| 09:00.09 | liable | mike: yep thats what i'm getting, try the browser, the mirrors down |
| 09:00.31 | bob2 | mike: the act. |
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| 09:00.40 | bob2 | mike: I tend to just use ftp.debian.org |
| 09:00.52 | mike | bob2: i see, im in brisbane |
| 09:01.09 | smhar | devserve, I already have nonfree in my sources.list |
| 09:01.16 | resiak | !tell smhar -about java |
| 09:01.17 | bob2 | mike: planetmirror is too, iirc, so it's probably good to use it when you can |
| 09:01.32 | liable | bob2: its working for you now? |
| 09:02.41 | bob2 | liable: ftp.au? |
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| 09:03.12 | liable | bob2: erm yes, if you have it in sources |
| 09:03.27 | bob2 | no, as I said, it's always been fucked for me |
| 09:03.35 | mike | mines still fucked |
| 09:03.38 | bob2 | I use ftp.debian.org, since it has ungodly amounts of bandwidth and has never been broken |
| 09:03.44 | devserve | smhar: is there something about "cannot be distributed" that has escaped you? debian -cannot distribute- java. |
| 09:04.09 | devserve | if you want a debian package of java, you -must- use java-package. |
| 09:04.15 | devserve | -period-. |
| 09:04.21 | bob2 | devserve: things in non-free still have to be distributable |
| 09:04.28 | devserve | get the package, read the docs |
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| 09:04.38 | devserve | what bob2 said! |
| 09:04.49 | IDC | hi bob2 ,if without reconfiguring my dsl modem ,adsl work fine on windows but not on debian,simply the incorrect config on debian ? |
| 09:04.59 | bob2 | I'd assume so |
| 09:05.04 | IDC | I see |
| 09:05.17 | smhar | ok devserve that was easy to say :-) |
| 09:05.45 | liable | sweet ftp.debian works |
| 09:05.50 | smhar | devserve, I just want it runningto try robocode, which is in java |
| 09:06.18 | mike | can't someone just log onto ftp.au.debian.org and mirror the files from ftp.debian.org? |
| 09:06.25 | devserve | wellthen :) you know what prepratory work you have to do :) |
| 09:06.31 | resiak | smhar: So you install Java. |
| 09:06.45 | liable | mike: just change to us, and debian.org |
| 09:07.03 | mike | hrmm |
| 09:07.05 | mike | maybe |
| 09:07.10 | IDC | Can anyone tell me how do i add DHCP support during debian install ?my ISP has changed something that now i have to enable DHCP to get dsl work,or it will say No route to the destination |
| 09:07.17 | devserve | mike: would this be a per-packet cost issue? |
| 09:07.36 | devserve | IDC: during -install-? |
| 09:07.48 | mike | devserve: why? |
| 09:07.59 | IDC | i used to not using DHCP during debian install,but i only specify a local addr. as 192.168.1.5 ,gateway: None,with a working DNS,that simple |
| 09:08.13 | IDC | but now i copied with that that it doesnt work on debian |
| 09:08.24 | devserve | because you seem resistant to using out-of-.au mirrors, so I was wondering. |
| 09:08.32 | IDC | i could see it obtain an working IP from my ISP,but i cannot access to the rest of world though |
| 09:08.44 | mike | devserve: i just want to use something closer |
| 09:08.53 | IDC | devserve, yeah during installation |
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| 09:09.03 | IDC | devserve, or you meant i can do that later on ? |
| 09:09.05 | ugv | how do you stop gdm to start on bootup? im already on boot level 2 and i want to start in console and use 'startx' to start X. |
| 09:09.18 | caphuso | ugv: apt-get remove gdm |
| 09:09.28 | ugv | caphuso, no other way? |
| 09:09.33 | caphuso | ugv: plenty |
| 09:09.59 | devserve | IDC: if you're using d-i, it will try to establish networking quite early |
| 09:10.01 | ugv | caphuso, ok. beside removing it...howow do you stop it on bootup? |
| 09:10.13 | liable | ugv: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 09:10.15 | sep | is it possible to rescan a scsi channel? in any other way then rmmod the module |
| 09:10.28 | caphuso | ugv: rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm or echo false /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 09:10.59 | ugv | caphuso, thanks. |
| 09:11.00 | IDC | devserve, d-i ? excuse me ? |
| 09:11.03 | devserve | mike: oh, well, ok... dunno how to help... |
| 09:11.10 | devserve | ~d-i |
| 09:11.11 | apt | from memory, d-i is Debian-Installer The Debian-Installer is the replacement for the aging "boot-floppies" installation system used in all previous versions of debian. The Debian Installer will be the installer for future versions of Debian, beginning with sarge. It has been designed to be more modular, easier to use, and more extensible than the old installation ... |
| 09:11.19 | liable | ugv: man update-rc.d |
| 09:11.39 | caphuso | the chance of him messing up by using update-rc.d are too big |
| 09:11.45 | IDC | devserve, sorry,i only have 3.0 r0 install CD |
| 09:12.08 | devserve | so you want woody? |
| 09:12.19 | liable | caphuso: nah, not that hard :) |
| 09:12.23 | caphuso | way too many people do stupid things like "update-rc.d -f gdm remove" |
| 09:12.32 | IDC | devserve, no,i will upgrade to sarge |
| 09:12.39 | liable | caphuso: its got examples :) |
| 09:12.47 | devserve | OK, do you have blank floppies? max 4? |
| 09:13.02 | IDC | no,no floppy drive at all |
| 09:13.12 | IDC | never trust floppy drive |
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| 09:13.47 | devserve | can you burn CDs? |
| 09:13.56 | liable | caphuso: but it leaves the script and can be fixed easy enough |
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| 09:14.00 | caphuso | liable: now, tell me, how is "update-rc.d gdm start 99 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 2 6" better than "rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm"? |
| 09:14.35 | IDC | devserve, i mean,it was very easy as pie to configure network to get it work to my ISP using ADSL before they ve changed someone theri server side couple days ago from since on i had to dump all the debian reinstalled windows cuz i couldnt figure out how to get network back in debian |
| 09:14.37 | liable | caphuso: hmm point |
| 09:14.59 | devserve | IDC: why are you reinstalling your whole debian? |
| 09:15.18 | devserve | oh, wait, I see |
| 09:15.27 | kevinv | Microsoft is making a Linux Distro check it out here if you dare: http://www.mslinux.org/ |
| 09:15.28 | IDC | devserve, because all of a sudden ,i lost internet in debian <didn't know while that time my ISP was chaning their server side> |
| 09:15.34 | kevinv | It's a spoof site btw |
| 09:15.40 | kevinv | VERY FUNNY articles |
| 09:15.51 | devserve | mizzlinux? |
| 09:15.52 | IDC | devserve, now even on windows,i have to enable DHCP ,or it will not work |
| 09:15.54 | kevinv | I'm going offline now, good bye |
| 09:16.15 | kevinv | They drew a box for it too btw |
| 09:16.26 | devserve | boxy! |
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| 09:17.15 | devserve | you have a few choices, one of which is exactly as you say, install woody and upgrade to sarge |
| 09:17.33 | IDC | devserve, i can remember it very clearly during debian install it asks me wheather to check a DCHP server i always answer No then setup a local IP: 192.168.1.5 then leave gateway and hostname blank then add DNS then run 'pppoeconf' and that simple to get dsl work on debian,but not now |
| 09:18.00 | devserve | so they are not using pppoe any more? |
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| 09:18.08 | devserve | do you have a static ip? |
| 09:18.18 | devserve | can you burn CDs? |
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| 09:18.31 | IDC | devserve, same Pppoe,but the only changes i ve found to be made by my ISp that affect to me is that i have to enable DHCP client on windows |
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| 09:18.58 | stefan_ | is windowmaker broken in unstable ? |
| 09:19.12 | IDC | devserve, yup,another change has been made is now the IP of mine changed ,used to be 222.xxx.xxx.xxx.now is 58.xx.xxx.xxx |
| 09:19.16 | tarzeau | stefan_: which version exactly? checked bugs.d.o/wmaker ? |
| 09:19.21 | tarzeau | stefan_: what's broken about it for you? |
| 09:19.49 | devserve | and is that a static ip? |
| 09:19.53 | stefan_ | tarzeau: i can not login, ill check the package version. what is "bugs.d.o/wmaker" ? |
| 09:19.55 | IDC | No,dynamic |
| 09:20.02 | devserve | ok |
| 09:20.08 | devserve | can you burn CDs? |
| 09:20.11 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 09:20.12 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 09:20.18 | stefan_ | tarzeau: 0.91.0-7 |
| 09:20.22 | tarzeau | stefan_: wmaker has no login stuff |
| 09:20.24 | IDC | devserve, me ?no cdrw handy |
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| 09:20.34 | tarzeau | stefan_: you mean some *dm or login.app? |
| 09:20.40 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 09:20.41 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 09:20.47 | stefan_ | tarzeau: ok that i understand. but it does not start after login with wdm |
| 09:21.26 | tarzeau | stefan_: you probably misconfigured something |
| 09:21.50 | IDC | So if i enable DCHP in debian,that i cannot specify a local IP manually at the same time ? on windows,i can. |
| 09:21.50 | devserve | you might have to edit your /etc/network/interfaces file after you get the base installed |
| 09:22.08 | stefan_ | tarzeau: yes most probably |
| 09:22.09 | spunz | ifconfig eth0 yourip |
| 09:22.13 | IDC | I need a static local private IP to access to my DSL modem via web in case i need that |
| 09:22.20 | spunz | ifconfig eth0:1 yourip |
| 09:22.25 | stefan_ | tarzeau: ill check everything again, thanx |
| 09:22.38 | IDC | devserve, hmm |
| 09:22.40 | sep | IDC: in debian you can also |
| 09:22.53 | devserve | does your dsl modem do dhcp and pppoe? |
| 09:22.59 | lomba2 | hello everyone |
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| 09:23.03 | devserve | do you have a separate router? |
| 09:23.39 | IDC | sep, but during installtion,if answer 'No' to 'if you have a DCHP you want to use it so that i can check it if available ',in the next window there i can specify a private IP that is 192.168.1.5 |
| 09:23.59 | IDC | sep, my dsl modem has set to 192.168.1.1 itself |
| 09:24.04 | lomba2 | I NEED HELP TO INSTALL DEBIAN 3.0 WOODY IN MY POWERPC IBM RS6000 44P 170 |
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| 09:24.21 | liable | lomba2: dont yell |
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| 09:24.25 | devserve | lomba2: COULD YOU YELL A LITTLE LOUDER PLEASE? |
| 09:24.59 | sep | IDC: i dont get your problem |
| 09:25.02 | devserve | I RUN THE QUACK... HOW QUACK I? |
| 09:25.18 | versuchsanstalt | lomba2: you need to reformulate as a question and no caps, please. |
| 09:25.28 | IDC | Spec, when debian installer try to find a working DHCP on the network,it means the DHCP in my modem,or through the Line that from my ISP ? |
| 09:25.35 | liable | lomba2: please dont /msg |
| 09:25.36 | lomba2 | ok thanks man |
| 09:25.48 | stefan_ | tarzeau: the problem seems to be xautolock in my .xstartup |
| 09:26.02 | liable | lomba2: you will get more help on channel |
| 09:26.10 | lomba2 | i can help me to install debian woody 3.0 i download how make boot |
| 09:26.25 | lomba2 | how? |
| 09:26.32 | devserve | IDC: you've got an unusual situation there |
| 09:26.34 | sep | IDC: there can be only one dhcp server, so when it uses dhcp it uses whatever dhcp server is available, usualy your adsl router/modem. |
| 09:26.49 | liable | lomba2: whats your native language |
| 09:26.54 | IDC | sep, I see |
| 09:27.13 | sep | IDC: if you want an additional static pårivate ip you can also configure that separate from the ip dhcp provides using aliases in the interfaces file |
| 09:27.31 | devserve | dhcp is like, "Hey all you guys on the internet, someone gimme an IP!" |
| 09:27.31 | IDC | sep, but its strange,now i do not enable DCHP in modem for sure,but then i still have to enable DCHP client in windows,or it will say no route to destination |
| 09:27.50 | lomba2 | portugues |
| 09:28.04 | lomba2 | debian_prep_baseinst o download this ..file... |
| 09:28.17 | sep | !portugese |
| 09:28.17 | dpkg | Por favor, fale em ingles quando estiver no #Debian, assim todos poderão entender. Se você quiser usar um outro idioma, entre em #debian-rs. Para ser ajudado em portugues, use o canal #Debian-BR |
| 09:28.26 | devserve | if you're not having trouble with language here, cool :) but we have #debian-br |
| 09:28.27 | liable | lomba2: try #debian-br, they may understand you easier |
| 09:28.57 | lomba2 | in debian br i dont see help |
| 09:29.12 | cind17 | I'm currently away, check out my pics while im gone ----> www.potatoandmelon.cjb.net |
| 09:29.13 | devserve | oh, they're asleep or dancing |
| 09:29.28 | devserve | dey do da sambaaaa! |
| 09:29.56 | liable | lomba2: you cant boot the cd? |
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| 09:30.31 | mike | bob2: ftp.debian.org is painfully slow |
| 09:30.43 | lomba2 | i see that erro when i try to install PRep-BOOT could not open deblocker |
| 09:30.49 | IDC | is there a command to reconfigure DHCP ? dpgk-reconfigure dhcp ? |
| 09:30.49 | mike | bob2: im getting 12.1kbs and i usually get 50kbs |
| 09:30.50 | lomba2 | yes i boot |
| 09:31.21 | bob2 | ok! |
| 09:31.22 | sep | IDC: dhcp ususaly dont take any configuring |
| 09:31.24 | devserve | cind17: Dear Member, Your account has exceeded the traffic quota limit for the day. Please try your action again later. If you require further information or explanation for this error, you may contact your customer support representative. Your Support Team |
| 09:31.35 | liable | lomba2: for a desktop? |
| 09:31.37 | sep | IDC: unless your talking about a dhcpd server that is |
| 09:31.45 | devserve | cind17: other than that, PLEASE do NOT spam. |
| 09:31.49 | lomba2 | no for server |
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| 09:32.28 | lomba2 | i need make this pc server ibm rs/6000 7044-170 |
| 09:32.28 | DoktorTomoe | Hi. Where is the php binary located in debian sarge? |
| 09:32.32 | cind17 | I'm currently away, check out my pics while im gone ----> www.potatoandmelon.cjb.net |
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| 09:32.53 | IDC | sep, dhcp client ,definitely |
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| 09:33.15 | IDC | sep, so that im testing it on windows so that it saves my time to configure it properly on debian |
| 09:33.44 | lomba2 | iam still wait for help |
| 09:33.59 | sep | IDC: you configure your interfaces and if they use static or dhcp in the file /etc/networking/interfaces, to understand what to write you read the manpage man interfaces |
| 09:34.15 | liable | lomba2: maybe no one knows the answer |
| 09:34.22 | sep | IDC: then to test you can /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 09:34.49 | lomba2 | this is not debian chat? |
| 09:35.12 | lomba2 | i need install debian .... |
| 09:35.18 | DoktorTomoe | lomba2: It is ... but that does not mean we're all gods |
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| 09:35.36 | DoktorTomoe | maybe you could ask again ... |
| 09:35.38 | ivoks | hi |
| 09:35.52 | lomba2 | ok ...thanks |
| 09:35.56 | IDC | sep, okay,thanks a lot,i will try it out |
| 09:36.02 | lomba2 | where can finder help? |
| 09:36.08 | IDC | devserve, thanks |
| 09:36.14 | DoktorTomoe | lomba2: have you tried google? |
| 09:36.15 | sep | lomba2: usualy when nobody knows the answer you usualty have not provided enoughf details about your problem. try askin again with more details and exact error messages |
| 09:36.19 | peterS | lomba2: I am told #ppc64 is helpful for RS/6000 issues. (even 32-bit machines.) I haven't looked there myself |
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| 09:36.42 | DoktorTomoe | Does anyone know where the php executable is located in debian sarge? |
| 09:36.43 | peterS | sep: in this case he's provided details sufficient to tell us that most of us have no experience with his type of hardware (: |
| 09:36.54 | lomba2 | ok thanks all.. |
| 09:36.58 | peterS | lomba2: and I don't know if they know anything about Debian install specific stuff |
| 09:37.04 | lomba2 | i will back ... |
| 09:37.19 | lomba2 | when i finder de answer ok |
| 09:37.42 | lomba2 | thanks peterS |
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| 09:38.02 | lomba2 | iam go to google....! |
| 09:38.49 | resiak | DoktorTomoe: locate probably does. |
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| 09:39.28 | DoktorTomoe | resiak: well, I've already done that. |
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| 09:39.36 | DoktorTomoe | wasn't helpful, tought |
| 09:39.40 | resiak | DoktorTomoe: Is it installed? |
| 09:39.57 | resiak | DoktorTomoe: apt-cache search php | less # and install the appropriate package. |
| 09:40.00 | foobared | DoktorTomoe: /usr/bin/ ? |
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| 09:40.13 | samw | <promo> check out http://nipl.net/: free access to a Debian "sarge" machine including shell, X11/vnc, web, email, DNS, jabber, ... </promo> ++ service </promo> |
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| 09:40.18 | DoktorTomoe | apt-get says so. PHP Webpages are shown ... there seems to be no executable, however |
| 09:40.26 | samw | "you can't buy a service like this" :) |
| 09:40.57 | resiak | DoktorTomoe: Did you install the Apache module and not the CGI binary, perchance? |
| 09:41.16 | liable | those rs6000's look like some expensive kit |
| 09:41.18 | DoktorTomoe | resiak: they are split? |
| 09:41.22 | samw | [ this is completely non-profit / non-commercial; I promise! ] |
| 09:41.34 | resiak | DoktorTomoe: *shrug* Probably. |
| 09:41.35 | DoktorTomoe | resiak: ARGH ... silly me |
| 09:41.38 | resiak | !info php4-cgi sarge |
| 09:41.43 | dpkg | php4-cgi: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (CGI binary)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 3133 kB, Installed size: 6024 kB |
| 09:41.52 | DoktorTomoe | thanks a lot :) |
| 09:41.57 | resiak | No problem. |
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| 09:42.48 | samw | free tech support, etc. too :) |
| 09:42.55 | samw | [ enough spam from me for now! ] |
| 09:43.03 | caphuso | indeed |
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| 09:43.11 | devserve | sam spam sam spam |
| 09:43.25 | caphuso | samw: and we're not going to see any more of it |
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| 09:43.31 | samw | harsh! |
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| 09:44.31 | saintiss | hi |
| 09:44.33 | saintiss | is there a way to configure debian so that it will put HD's in sleep mode after a certain time of inactivity? |
| 09:44.46 | ivoks | saintiss hdparm |
| 09:45.09 | liable | saintiss: laptop? |
| 09:46.57 | samw | caphuso: may I ask, what does "you have been opped" mean? |
| 09:47.11 | saintiss | ivoks, thanks... am I supposed to set hdparm -S in a custom script in /etc/init.d somewhere? or does debian have its own way of handling this? |
| 09:47.15 | caphuso | samw: in what context? |
| 09:47.21 | saintiss | liable, no, a pc |
| 09:47.42 | ivoks | saintiss heh... |
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| 09:48.01 | ivoks | acctually, i don't know how.. |
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| 09:48.09 | samw | caphuso: the chanserv just sent me a message saying that, I think. I am unclueful re IRC. |
| 09:48.12 | ivoks | on laptop discs go to sleep by them self |
| 09:48.12 | bobacus | saintiss, /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 09:48.27 | caphuso | samw: it means it gave you channel operator status in some channel |
| 09:48.30 | ivoks | saintiss with hdparm u can force disc to go to sleep |
| 09:48.32 | saintiss | bobacus, ah... thanks |
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| 09:48.45 | liable | saintiss: why spin it down, desktop hdd's arent really made to do that, I think you can shorten its life considerably |
| 09:49.00 | ivoks | saintiss and sing him a little song :) |
| 09:49.04 | samw | caphuso: why woould it do that? does that mean some op asked it to? |
| 09:49.20 | caphuso | samw: did you /join an empty channel? |
| 09:49.30 | saintiss | liable, actually, it's a server... and it seems like, currently, the hd's are spinning all day and all night... that seems to shorten their lifetime too :) |
| 09:49.39 | samw | caphuso: it said all channels in #debian or something. |
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| 09:49.54 | caphuso | samw: you're not an op here, so it can't be #debian |
| 09:50.00 | devserve | samw: it fibbing to ewe. |
| 09:50.16 | samw | caphuso: oh well, I don't know! thanks anyway. |
| 09:50.30 | liable | devserve: new zealander by chance :) |
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| 09:50.40 | devserve | samw: /help newuser if you want |
| 09:50.47 | bobacus | saintiss, spinning up and down puts more stress on the bearings than continual spinning |
| 09:51.01 | samw | HELP newuser |
| 09:51.11 | devserve | liable: how do you become a new zealander by chance? |
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| 09:51.26 | saintiss | bobacus, hmm.. we had 2 broken disks so far, and they often feel really heated |
| 09:51.28 | liable | devserve: good question |
| 09:51.37 | saintiss | so I figured putting them to sleep now and then wouldn't be so bad |
| 09:51.50 | devserve | if you're askin me if I'm one, nope, I'm a merkin |
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| 09:52.23 | liable | oh, just the ewe comment made me instantly think NZ |
| 09:52.52 | bobacus | saintiss, um, you should look at the cooling in that box (and maybe the ambient room temperature) |
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| 09:52.57 | devserve | I once got a birthday card that started "Hippo Birdie Two Ewes" |
| 09:53.24 | liable | oh |
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| 09:54.10 | saintiss | bobacus, ok, but surely e.g. sleeping the hd's after an hour of inactivity wouldn't be that awful? that would probably put them to sleep only at night anyway |
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| 09:55.12 | bobacus | saintiss, depends on the drive - what rpm/size etc. - server drives are usually designed to run continually; laptop drives are designed to stop and start frequently; desktop drives are designed to be cheap :-) |
| 09:55.52 | saintiss | bobacus, right... in that case, these were probably desktop drives :) |
| 09:56.04 | saintiss | it's only a low budget server |
| 09:56.33 | saintiss | btw, spinning down hd's in combination with RAID isn't going to be problematic, right? |
| 09:57.28 | chr1s | hi |
| 09:57.30 | bobacus | saintiss, software RAID I assume? That shouldn't be a problem |
| 09:57.43 | chr1s | is it possible to auto-execute a command after logging in with ssh? |
| 09:57.46 | bobacus | saintiss, I don't know about hardware RAID - I guess it would be ok |
| 09:58.03 | bobacus | chr1s, ~/.bashrc etc? |
| 09:58.11 | chr1s | bobacus: no, more like: |
| 09:58.26 | chr1s | ssh mybox "mutt -F .othermuttrc" |
| 09:58.38 | saintiss | bobacus, software raid indeed |
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| 09:59.25 | saintiss | hrm, now that I'm looking at hdparm, it seems that my SATA drive returns no info on hdparm -d (which should show if DMA is enabled)... is that normal? |
| 09:59.37 | saintiss | hdparm -d /dev/sda |
| 09:59.37 | saintiss | /dev/sda: |
| 09:59.37 | ISkywalker | hi! how can i checkout if mod_perl is installed in apache? |
| 09:59.38 | bobacus | chr1s, oh, that should work |
| 09:59.43 | fatal_ | hdparm is for ide devices. |
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| 10:00.05 | saintiss | fatal_, really? is there an equivalent for sata drives? |
| 10:00.06 | bobacus | ISkywalker, restart the apache server and check /var/log/apache/error.log - it should list mod_perl |
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| 10:00.14 | ISkywalker | thx |
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| 10:00.21 | couves1000 | hi |
| 10:00.21 | chr1s | bobacus: well, i want to start mutt but it doesn't start |
| 10:00.33 | bobacus | chr1s, any errors? |
| 10:00.46 | couves1000 | hi |
| 10:01.03 | chr1s | bobacus: no, just a blank screen |
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| 10:02.25 | Trewas | 17674 user 15 0 21748 865m 858m S 0.0 97.7 2:28.48 xemacs <- top shows pretty interesting memory consumption lately, shouldn't virtual image (21748KB in this case) be always larger than resident size (865MB)? |
| 10:02.34 | fatal_ | saintiss: I guess "scsitools" could be useful... although, the preferable settings should be autotuned if you use the correct ide-controller driver.. (which you obviously do since you're using an sata driver and not the generic ide driver). |
| 10:02.35 | bobacus | try ssh -t ... - this forces ptty allocation |
| 10:03.14 | chr1s | bobacus: that works! |
| 10:03.17 | chr1s | thanks a lot |
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| 10:03.51 | fatal_ | saintiss: if you have to mess with hdparm your system and/or your driver is broken.. |
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| 10:06.01 | saintiss | fatal_, I guess the "preferable" setting is then that there is no spin-down... but still there should be a way to change that I guess... I'll have a look at scsitools then |
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| 10:06.31 | funkyhat | does debian have the same problem with mp3 support that redhat/FC does? |
| 10:06.36 | DoktorTomoe | hm, how is the *correct* way to get ttf functionality in php4 in debian? |
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| 10:07.22 | Trewas | funkyhat: no, debian is not that afraid of mp3 patents/license fees |
| 10:07.36 | funkyhat | :) good |
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| 10:08.35 | Trewas | funkyhat: though mp3 encoders are still out of debian, but at least all the players can decode them |
| 10:08.53 | eskaypey | when i apt-get update it says Couldn't stat source package list .. what would be wrong? |
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| 10:09.04 | funkyhat | that's fine, i usually encode to ogg-vorbis anyway |
| 10:09.41 | funkyhat | how easy is it to install the nvidia binary graphics drivers? |
| 10:10.07 | funkyhat | (can it be done using apt with an extra repo or would i have to use the nvidia rpms + alien?) |
| 10:11.41 | liable | !tell funkyhat about nvidia |
| 10:11.59 | saintiss | hrmm... scsi-idle seems to have the functionality to spin down scsi drives with kernel 2.4... Is anyone aware of something similar for 2.6? |
| 10:12.27 | eskaypey | anyone |
| 10:12.58 | liable | saintiss: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=hardware&Post=211&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=3&Session= ..read post 4 |
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| 10:16.22 | emiraga | where could i find official configuration for 2.6 kernels of debian? |
| 10:16.58 | saintiss | liable, hmm, that page seems to timeout :( |
| 10:18.07 | caphuso | emiraga: /boot/config-2.6.* |
| 10:18.28 | liable | saintiss: hmmm, worked a sec ago, wont for me now either |
| 10:19.08 | saintiss | bbiab |
| 10:19.24 | emiraga | caphuso: i have 2.4 kernel installed only |
| 10:19.48 | caphuso | emiraga: then download a 2.6 kernel package |
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| 10:26.59 | emiraga | kernel-image-2.6 - 14.1 MB of nothing |
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| 10:27.37 | BleSS | which is the file's name built by 'X -configure' in xfree86? |
| 10:27.44 | liable | emiraga: ?? |
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| 10:28.06 | liable | BleSS: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 10:28.36 | BleSS | liable, it's created in /root/, or not? |
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| 10:29.06 | liable | BleSS: never mind, miss understood |
| 10:30.05 | BleSS | liable, when it's runned 'X -configure', it's created a configuration file in /root/ |
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| 10:32.08 | liable | BleSS: sorry, have never run that command, I misunderstood the first question |
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| 10:32.47 | IDC | LOL,thanks all,i have fixed my problem now im on Debian :D |
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| 10:33.08 | IDC | I was so stupid that i manually added gateway actually i do not need that,anyway its strange |
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| 10:33.31 | IDC | cuz on windows,it makes no diff if i add gateway the same addr. to my dsl modem'.hmmm |
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| 10:34.10 | IDC | brb,let me test if lilo can boot in windows |
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| 10:37.16 | liable | BleSS: what are you doing anyways |
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| 10:38.38 | BleSS | liable, np, it's solved, thx anyway |
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| 10:39.31 | liable | BleSS: is that a command from another distro you used? |
| 10:40.31 | BleSS | X -configure can be used with xfree86 or x.org |
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| 10:41.55 | nomed^ | hi |
| 10:41.59 | liable | BleSS: where was the file you talking about |
| 10:42.09 | nomed^ | is there an editor like kate for gtk? |
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| 10:43.58 | BleSS | liable, 'wich X' -> /usr/bin/X (it's a link to Xorg, i'm supposed that to XFree86 too) |
| 10:44.14 | BleSS | s/wich/which |
| 10:44.25 | IDC | Can anyone tell me,if mouse is an USB interface connecting to USB port,which one it should be ? /dev/input/mise or /dev/psaux ? |
| 10:44.48 | bob2 | the former on 2.6 |
| 10:44.51 | devserve | first one |
| 10:45.00 | ralf | IDC: *mice |
| 10:45.00 | BleSS | IDC, if you use a kernel 2.6, /dev/input/mice |
| 10:45.01 | IDC | devserve: for me ? |
| 10:45.19 | devserve | that was true on 2.4 too, iirc |
| 10:45.21 | IDC | BleSS: im right now on 2.2.20-idepci |
| 10:45.27 | IDC | woody 3.0 r0 |
| 10:45.42 | devserve | 2.2? do you even have USB drivers in your kernel? |
| 10:45.50 | IDC | devserve: oh |
| 10:45.53 | devserve | IDC: so you got your net up? |
| 10:46.02 | IDC | devserve: yeah :Dnow im on linux |
| 10:46.25 | devserve | ok, you said you want sarge? |
| 10:46.39 | IDC | devserve: i only had to do 'route del default' then vi '/etc/network/interfaces' there remove 'gateway 192.168.1.1' :) Thanks |
| 10:46.59 | liable | !real kernel |
| 10:46.59 | dpkg | [real kernel] The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 10:47.08 | IDC | devserve: Hmm,i am not very sure |
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| 10:47.20 | devserve | well |
| 10:47.38 | devserve | if you want to go to sarge, now would be a good time |
| 10:47.43 | IDC | devserve: cuz i wanna run a server basically,but last time i tried i couldnt get X work on woody untill i upgraded to sarge,strange |
| 10:48.16 | IDC | hmm |
| 10:48.59 | IDC | devserve: i think first i need to use an USB-PS/2 conviter ,get X worked then download kernel to add USB support |
| 10:49.16 | liable | IDC: ^^ get a new kernel, read the factoid |
| 10:49.18 | sep | IDC: you are runnin X on a server ? |
| 10:49.26 | IDC | so if its PS/2, it should also be /dev/input/mice ? |
| 10:49.34 | sep | !devinputmice |
| 10:49.35 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 10:49.36 | devserve | IDC: you're better off upgrading before you do any of that |
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| 10:49.45 | IDC | sep: if without X,how will i edit web page ? |
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| 10:50.14 | devserve | you don't need to edit a web page in order to upgrade to sarge :) |
| 10:50.19 | IDC | sep: yeah alternatively ,i can do that on windows <DUAL boot OS :) >,then copy them to linux would you think ? |
| 10:50.29 | devserve | might as well face it... you're addicted to sarge... |
| 10:51.04 | sep | IDC: i ususaly upload the webpages from my linux workstation to the linux webserver with scp, or in rare cases ith ftp |
| 10:51.15 | funkyhat | IDC, if all you're using debian for is a part-time web server, why not use apache for windows? |
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| 10:51.47 | IDC | funkyhat: cuz i heard windows are very bad for any-web-related-services |
| 10:51.55 | devserve | funkyhat: could it be because windows sux for servers? |
| 10:52.10 | devserve | s/web-related-// |
| 10:52.19 | funkyhat | well if he's only going to have the server running part time, i assumed he was just using it for testing |
| 10:52.28 | berzerka | hello everyone. i am just setting up a local nfs connection according to the nfs howto. when i looked at hosts.allow i already found two entries of local hosts, but i have no idea how they came there. i suppose that the dpkg script of some package has created these entries, and i want to know which one it was. anyone an idea? |
| 10:52.29 | devserve | part time? |
| 10:52.34 | IDC | funkyhat: i asked many friends ,all of them,yes 'ALL' of them didnt recommend windows,i was shocked anyway |
| 10:52.38 | devserve | hmm, that is a good point |
| 10:52.45 | devserve | get another machine! |
| 10:52.45 | funkyhat | he said it's a dual boot machine |
| 10:53.16 | IDC | devserve: i do have a spare PC,but it doesnt have a screen |
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| 10:53.25 | funkyhat | that's not an issue |
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| 10:53.37 | liable | IDC: easy, set it up and ssh into it |
| 10:53.38 | IDC | devserve: since this machine has better specs,i would run server on this one |
| 10:53.41 | funkyhat | my server (running sarge) has no input devices or a screen |
| 10:53.49 | devserve | IDC: not a problem... let it borrow a screen while installing |
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| 10:54.18 | IDC | oh |
| 10:54.21 | funkyhat | you don't need high specs for a webserver, especially if you're the only one that's going to use it |
| 10:54.21 | vds | hi all |
| 10:54.22 | sep | IDC: my servers dont run X and are not connected to a monitor either |
| 10:54.22 | devserve | how much ram and disk space in the spare? what cpu? |
| 10:54.26 | sep | IDC: only when installing |
| 10:55.07 | IDC | funkyhat: you are kidding, why it would be only me on the server by then ? i bought a TL-domain,all are ready |
| 10:55.10 | devserve | you can still run x clients including *dm and connect from a win box using cygwin |
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| 10:55.40 | funkyhat | oh right, i just assumed as you said you were dual-booting |
| 10:55.40 | devserve | TL domain?? |
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| 10:55.53 | devserve | what tl domain and how much? |
| 10:55.55 | IDC | TL domain aka Top Level Domain :) |
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| 10:56.22 | devserve | I think I'll buy com. |
| 10:56.37 | IDC | devserve: cheap, they are on sale here in an IDC so i got a big discount ,paid $4.5 for one year usages :) |
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| 10:57.08 | funkyhat | that's good, which tld is it? |
| 10:57.17 | IDC | www.whatever.cn |
| 10:57.44 | devserve | .cn is the toplevel domain, and other domains are under it |
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| 10:58.00 | IDC | well,it doesnt work now,cuz i need a httpd,then go to another DDNS service,get the Linux client :) |
| 10:58.35 | IDC | devserve: yup,that type of domain .cn belongs to CNNIC |
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| 10:59.04 | funkyhat | IDC, what kind of internet connection do you have? |
| 10:59.23 | devserve | IDC: so when you said you bought a top-level domain, you actually meant you have a second-level domain |
| 10:59.49 | IDC | funkyhat: adsl ,plan to talk to my ISP to upgrade the upstream rate in 2 months by then my payment will be expired,good chance to talk to them about it or switch to another ISP |
| 11:00.10 | funkyhat | do you have a adsl router? |
| 11:00.12 | cafuego | com is yuck, but net |
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| 11:00.45 | IDC | devserve: yeah, the second-level domain under *.whatever.cn all depend on me,i can created unlimited second-level domains under it |
| 11:00.56 | IDC | create* |
| 11:00.59 | cafuego | IDC: third level |
| 11:01.08 | funkyhat | no, whatever.cn is a second level domain name |
| 11:01.16 | funkyhat | *.whatever.cn is a third-level |
| 11:01.25 | IDC | funkyhat: how about www.whatever.cn ? |
| 11:01.31 | IDC | i own it |
| 11:01.35 | devserve | so do you own whatever.cn? |
| 11:01.38 | cafuego | IDC: That's a host, not a domain. |
| 11:01.41 | IDC | devserve: yes |
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| 11:01.52 | devserve | that would be the pointed question :) |
| 11:02.12 | devserve | so you own one second-level domain :) |
| 11:02.23 | cafuego | IDC: You can add nearly unlimited subdomains on your 2nd level domain, yes. |
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| 11:02.33 | IDC | devserve: i can completely control the DNS at www.whatever.cn from the IDC i registered ,i can point DNS to any other addr. |
| 11:02.39 | cafuego | nearly, because length is limited and so is the charset. |
| 11:02.50 | devserve | kooo |
| 11:02.54 | benka | Bonjour |
| 11:02.54 | devserve | leeo! |
| 11:02.56 | benka | hello |
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| 11:02.59 | funkyhat | www.doman.ext is a 3rd level domain name, but almost always points to the same server as the second level domain.ext |
| 11:03.16 | benka | Does anyone speak french here? |
| 11:03.23 | cafuego | grep zone /etc/bind/zones/* | wc -l -> 131 |
| 11:03.24 | IDC | devserve: The changes of DNS changing is free to use :) it takes affective in only several hours,but not have to wait 2 days or so as usual |
| 11:03.26 | reader | me? |
| 11:03.48 | devserve | no, not just anyone, only the french speakers! |
| 11:03.49 | benka | Je cherche un coup de main pour un problème avec grub |
| 11:03.53 | cafuego | IDC: That depends entirely how how yo set up the zone file. You can make them expire after 2 seconds or 4 weeks... |
| 11:04.04 | devserve | ok, there is #debian-fr |
| 11:04.06 | IDC | funkyhat: strange,so what is a Toplevel domain like ?or looks like ? |
| 11:04.17 | benka | I'm looking for a hand for a grub problem |
| 11:04.23 | benka | "error 18" |
| 11:04.28 | cafuego | devserve: Mais je parle anglais, allemand et hollandais aussi. |
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| 11:04.33 | IDC | cafuego: I see |
| 11:04.48 | cafuego | IDC: a TLD would be .cn or .com .or .net |
| 11:05.01 | IDC | cafuego: so mine is :) |
| 11:05.06 | Shorty` | how is this discussion relevant? :P |
| 11:05.10 | cafuego | IDC: No, because you don't own .cn |
| 11:05.15 | devserve | good question |
| 11:05.17 | reader | .nameless |
| 11:05.19 | cafuego | IDC: You own whatever.cn, which a 2nd level domain. |
| 11:05.26 | berzerka | has noone an idea which package could have automatically created hosts.allow entries? |
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| 11:05.35 | IDC | cafuego: oh ? |
| 11:05.40 | Shorty` | berzerka; people still use hosts.allow? |
| 11:05.46 | cafuego | berzerka: tcpd |
| 11:05.57 | liable | Shorty`: yes |
| 11:06.03 | berzerka | oh, well.. |
| 11:06.06 | liable | berzerka: what the address |
| 11:06.08 | tarzeau | Shorty`: any reason not to? |
| 11:06.15 | devserve | IDC: in any case... if you're running woody and you want to support a usb mouse, you could try 2.4.x kernel |
| 11:06.17 | IDC | cafuego: so INNIC owns them all and only ? |
| 11:06.37 | cafuego | IDC: The normal arrangement is that you are licensed to USE the domain for the specified time. |
| 11:07.01 | IDC | cafuego: oh i see,yes i pay money for using it in a time frame |
| 11:07.01 | liable | berzerka: or port if local |
| 11:07.08 | berzerka | 192.168.0.2 and .0.5 which are 2 addresses out of the local network. i have probably added them at some time during the installation process.. |
| 11:07.32 | cafuego | There are a few registrars that say you OWN the domain after you pay them, but seeing as that ownership reverts back to them if you don't renew, I'd say that point is moot. |
| 11:07.49 | IDC | devserve: hmm,i can recompile kernel in console no problem,but i need the kernel source |
| 11:07.51 | berzerka | and i want to know in which package's script that happened. |
| 11:07.52 | cafuego | IDC: Correct. |
| 11:08.11 | devserve | IDC: just install a kernel-image |
| 11:08.19 | cafuego | berzerka: tcpd (tcp wrappers) |
| 11:08.28 | tarzeau | IDC: which kernel? |
| 11:08.29 | IDC | devserve: i dont like the debian-way to recompile kernel,i always do it in the regular way |
| 11:08.47 | cafuego | berzerka: if not, then whatever port they're enabled for and its assocated service package probably did it. |
| 11:08.51 | tarzeau | kernel-image really should be called linux-image |
| 11:08.53 | IDC | tarzeau: havent made up mind yet. |
| 11:08.54 | devserve | then you can run into problems that are off-topic here |
| 11:09.06 | cafuego | tarzeau: #ubuntu is thatta way --> |
| 11:09.26 | tarzeau | cafuego: no way i'll go there or use that |
| 11:09.31 | devserve | actually he's right, it should be called that |
| 11:09.38 | cafuego | tarzeau: They have linux-image packages |
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| 11:09.41 | IDC | devserve: but i used to do that,no problem,i always recompile kernel manually |
| 11:10.01 | IDC | devserve: because i have met some problem in doing it before,i have learned :) |
| 11:10.19 | devserve | IDC: gtood enough... but questions/problems resulting from that wouldn't be supported here... just so you know |
| 11:10.22 | berzerka | cafuego: dpkg-reconfigure tcpd doesnt let me configure anything.. the entries are those for the nfs daemons. do you think those scripts might have added the entries? |
| 11:10.29 | IDC | and i quite understand my current hardwares,config them should not a problem |
| 11:10.40 | devserve | again, good enough :) |
| 11:10.51 | TinoW | IDC: manually? Without even using a compiler? ;) |
| 11:11.08 | devserve | or even an assembler... phear... |
| 11:11.18 | IDC | so ,how do i download kernel-xxx.tar.bz2 in console ? |
| 11:11.26 | tarzeau | IDC: using links2 or wget or ... |
| 11:11.37 | TinoW | or lukemftp |
| 11:11.37 | liable | berzerka: base-config? |
| 11:11.47 | IDC | TinoW: :) |
| 11:12.04 | berzerka | liable, good idea.. |
| 11:12.32 | IDC | They say there is an excellent browser for console ...i forgot the name ? |
| 11:12.42 | onre | w3m? elinks? |
| 11:12.48 | caphuso | lynx |
| 11:12.49 | cafuego | links/lynx/telnet ? |
| 11:12.55 | IDC | lynx,oh yes |
| 11:12.57 | devserve | netcat! |
| 11:12.59 | caphuso | netrek |
| 11:13.03 | cafuego | nethack |
| 11:13.04 | ralf | IDC: try links2 |
| 11:13.04 | TinoW | IDE: no, lynx isnt excellent ;) |
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| 11:13.08 | ralf | and use it with -G |
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| 11:13.22 | devserve | Bill and Ted think it is... |
| 11:13.23 | cafuego | Filthy framebugger user! |
| 11:13.34 | devserve | they think everything is excellent |
| 11:13.35 | tarzeau | cafuego: works also with svgalib! |
| 11:13.44 | IDC | ralf: let me try it,does it support viewing contents in the Bbs forums ? |
| 11:13.57 | devserve | try it and see |
| 11:13.59 | ralf | i dunno |
| 11:14.11 | cafuego | tarzeau: Filthy svgblalib user! |
| 11:14.11 | devserve | troll smell getting closer |
| 11:14.11 | ralf | it let you view also images |
| 11:14.19 | ralf | and supports javascript |
| 11:14.20 | reader | hehe |
| 11:14.35 | IDC | ralf: cool :) thank you,let me try it now. |
| 11:14.38 | IDC | brb |
| 11:14.49 | ralf | IDC: you need a framebuffer deveice |
| 11:14.51 | cafuego | You know, I use a console browser *because* it doesn't do shit like javascript and images. |
| 11:14.56 | ralf | what video card have you got? |
| 11:15.13 | liable | I was trying to connect my debian box to my work windows box a while ago, and ended up thinking the crossover cable was fucked. I didnt add the other ip to hosts.allow, that was prolly the prob? |
| 11:15.13 | IDC | says couldn't find links2 |
| 11:15.15 | ralf | cafuego: i use a console browser when i haven't X or i'm under ssh |
| 11:15.21 | tarzeau | IDC: you don't have testing+ |
| 11:15.34 | Gathond | cafuego: most browsers would probably allow you to disable such annoying features :) |
| 11:15.40 | devserve | IDC: you need to decide what you want to do... I'm currently thinking it's a waste of time to try to help... glad you got your net up... good luck |
| 11:15.40 | IDC | ralf: i have geforce2 ,this supports framebuffer ? |
| 11:15.50 | berzerka | nah, base-config is only hw clock, timezone, apt-config.. |
| 11:16.09 | ralf | IDC: yes |
| 11:16.15 | ralf | with the nvidia driver |
| 11:16.16 | IDC | ok |
| 11:16.24 | ralf | you can also use the standard vesafb |
| 11:16.26 | reader | mx400 |
| 11:16.28 | berzerka | darn that annoys me pretty much, cause i dont know whether the file might be overwritten again if i do a package upgrade.. |
| 11:16.34 | ralf | but try first the nVidia one |
| 11:16.39 | ralf | now i'll reboot |
| 11:16.47 | IDC | devserve: i know i talked too much..yea im just a bit of exciting now ;D |
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| 11:18.02 | berzerka | i think ill do a dpkg-reconfigure -a. i must have entered that information at some point during the installation.. |
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| 11:21.31 | irreverentrevere | after i add a user to a machine, or edit the samba config, what do i need to run to update samba? |
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| 11:23.20 | J_P | hi all |
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| 11:24.08 | reader | all hi |
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| 11:26.17 | liable | what do you call a 404 page |
| 11:26.36 | Agrajag- | hmm im 've somehow managed to mess up my oss emulation (or whatever it is) i think. i hear sound from most things, except anything that tries to get /dev/dsp |
| 11:26.39 | Agrajag- | (doesn't exist) |
| 11:26.45 | Agrajag- | what've i missed? |
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| 11:27.07 | eskaypey | whats up with my apt? |
| 11:27.14 | eye69 | liable: file/document not found? |
| 11:27.27 | eskaypey | just reinstalled my sarge and apt wouldnt work on install |
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| 11:28.23 | eskaypey | temporary failure resolving... failed to fatch |
| 11:28.33 | eskaypey | tryed different mirrors still doesnt work |
| 11:28.36 | liable | no as the page |
| 11:29.08 | liable | eskaypey: where are you |
| 11:29.14 | eskaypey | australia |
| 11:29.26 | liable | eskaypey: mirrors are down |
| 11:29.34 | eskaypey | oh are they |
| 11:29.35 | Agrajag- | use the optusnet mirror |
| 11:29.36 | Agrajag- | it's fast |
| 11:29.40 | liable | eskaypey: try the url in your browser |
| 11:29.41 | Agrajag- | mirror.optusnet.com.au/debian |
| 11:29.52 | _joey | hit ctrl-f2 and edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:30.03 | Agrajag- | what arey ou talking about |
| 11:30.17 | Agrajag- | just change your sources.list to the optusnet one |
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| 11:30.49 | _joey | can you ping any host on the internet? |
| 11:31.17 | Agrajag- | _joey: who are you talking to? |
| 11:31.45 | _joey | To myself |
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| 11:32.25 | eskaypey | _joey: yes.. just pinged mirror.pacific.net.au |
| 11:32.40 | berzerka | and is talking to us.. |
| 11:32.45 | eskaypey | so the mirrors are not down |
| 11:32.46 | Agrajag- | _joey: yeah because you're not helping anyone |
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| 11:32.52 | transgress | does anyone know how to burn a .img file to a dvd w/ gnomebaker? or even cli would work... |
| 11:33.36 | liable | eskaypey: http://ftp.au.debian.org/ ... in your browser |
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| 11:36.12 | eskaypey | liable: yeah but i tryed US mirrors as well. and get same errors.. or it has to go throug aus mirrors? |
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| 11:36.35 | liable | eskaypey: use us, ftp.debian.org |
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| 11:38.41 | eskaypey | liable: yep same errors |
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| 11:38.59 | liable | eskaypey: using apt-setu? |
| 11:39.02 | cLoNe | Hello |
| 11:39.02 | liable | p |
| 11:39.16 | cLoNe | any 1 here from New Zealand? |
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| 11:40.29 | eskaypey | liable: command not found |
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| 11:40.30 | eskaypey | cLoNe: im from aus |
| 11:40.30 | liable | eskaypey: apt-setup ....as root |
| 11:40.46 | qwertz | Hi! I've got a MAC address where I'd like to have the IP Address cause it causes a lot of traffic. The dhcp server doesn't know the MAC so is there any tool to get the ip or anything to identify the source? |
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| 11:43.02 | eskaypey | liable: debconf: DbDriver "config" : /var/cache/debconf/config.dat/ is locked by another process |
| 11:43.05 | china | hellooo!!! |
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| 11:43.32 | liable | eskaypey: you have synaptic or something open? |
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| 11:43.45 | china | is it possible fix badblocks on HD ??? |
| 11:43.52 | china | ext3 filesystem??? |
| 11:44.01 | caphuso | china: no. buy a new disk |
| 11:45.12 | Guerin | wow, the /. story on the time travel convention is bringing out all the nutter |
| 11:45.13 | Guerin | ss |
| 11:46.19 | liable | Guerin: link? |
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| 11:46.55 | eskaypey | liable: mmm nah i did taht command from tty2 on tty1 i got my install process where im trying to configure apt, maybe install process uses apt? |
| 11:47.12 | eskaypey | dunno it worked fine yesterday |
| 11:47.26 | liable | eskaypey: ahhh, your installing, again? |
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| 11:47.45 | bob2 | bdlug66: can you not? |
| 11:47.51 | eskaypey | liable: yeah |
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| 11:48.01 | bdlug66 | i need help to compile baghira in sarge |
| 11:48.40 | Guerin | liable: http://slashdot.org |
| 11:48.44 | liable | eskaypey: skip the apt bit, leave it as cd and run apt-setup after install |
| 11:49.01 | eskaypey | liable: i'll do that |
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| 11:49.11 | bdlug66 | it says me@box:~/baghira$ ln -s /path/to/kde-cvs/kde-common/admin admin |
| 11:49.33 | bdlug66 | but i do not know whereis the /path/to/kde-cvs in debian |
| 11:49.36 | bdlug66 | :( |
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| 11:49.58 | bob2 | bdlug66: #debian-kde |
| 11:50.09 | bdlug66 | ok |
| 11:50.27 | china | caphuso, OK, but can I resize my disk, isolating badblocks ??? |
| 11:50.45 | caphuso | china: probably, but why bother? the disk is going to die anyways |
| 11:53.08 | dfzi | goddamn... i had macaronis for 30 minutes on the wrong stove and wondered why they didn't boil at all |
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| 11:53.11 | dfzi | ffs. |
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| 11:54.24 | reader | good solution,hehe. |
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| 11:56.59 | sleon | hallo |
| 11:57.04 | sleon | is there kickstart for debian? |
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| 11:57.17 | eskaypey | what you mean kickstart? |
| 11:57.20 | bob2 | there's FAI |
| 11:57.26 | bob2 | kickstart is a redhat install thing |
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| 11:58.30 | sleon | can i flexibly manage installation after they installed with fai?? |
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| 11:58.50 | sleon | i wan't to have one master computer and other should update from it, when any changes on it are done |
| 11:59.09 | liable | eskaypey: you installing on a box directly connected to the net? |
| 11:59.25 | eskaypey | liable: no gets internet from another one |
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| 11:59.58 | szzs | hi, i am installing sarge right now. i got to the partitioning part. my old system had reiserfs on / and i want to keep that way. the installation menu displays the correct fs type but it doesnt allow to define where to mount it till i choose another fs type. and there is no reiserfs type in the list. what should i do? |
| 12:00.26 | liable | eskaypey: hmmm, may be a network prob then |
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| 12:00.30 | bob2 | sleon: use rsync or nfs-mount / |
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| 12:01.30 | sep | szzs: install using debootstrap, or install on another partition, then move it to your reiserfs, or even better, dont use reiserfs |
| 12:01.31 | Tribat | my debian had 130days uptime |
| 12:01.43 | Tribat | but today happen some thing |
| 12:01.47 | Tribat | its frozen :( |
| 12:01.53 | Tribat | no ping reply |
| 12:02.01 | Tribat | keyboard and mouse are stuck |
| 12:02.13 | Tribat | SSH and HTTP no reply |
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| 12:02.17 | eskaypey | liable: i'll check that |
| 12:02.30 | Tribat | what now? |
| 12:02.35 | Tribat | how i can get it work :( |
| 12:02.37 | szzs | sep i have a better one: i tried also with ext3 but it sais "The attempt to mount..." he was unable to mount it after formating |
| 12:03.58 | szzs | ext2 worked fine |
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| 12:06.46 | Tribat | fucking stupid linux :( |
| 12:06.50 | Tribat | i allmost had 6months |
| 12:06.54 | Tribat | and now its down |
| 12:07.01 | Tribat | well 5months :I |
| 12:07.11 | bob2 | er |
| 12:07.15 | Tribat | thats not half year :( |
| 12:07.21 | bob2 | there have been kernel security updates in the past 5 months |
| 12:07.58 | Tribat | this shit sux :( |
| 12:08.05 | Tribat | how i can bring it back alive? |
| 12:08.13 | Gathond | bob2: but everyone knows that linux have no security patches, and that uptime is anyway more important than security :) |
| 12:08.19 | bob2 | haha |
| 12:08.29 | Tribat | what should i do :( |
| 12:08.31 | Tribat | no ping reply |
| 12:08.33 | Tribat | no ssh |
| 12:08.35 | Tribat | no http |
| 12:08.39 | Tribat | no keyboard or mice |
| 12:08.42 | sep | Tribat: powerbutton ! |
| 12:08.46 | bob2 | reboot it |
| 12:08.47 | Tribat | its not working :D |
| 12:08.50 | Gathond | Tribat: turn of the power, wait 20 seconds turn it back on |
| 12:08.51 | Tribat | i cant reboot it |
| 12:09.01 | Tribat | its just not possible to do that :( |
| 12:09.12 | TinoW | Tribat: why not? |
| 12:09.20 | Gathond | Tribat: it is the first computer in the world to not shut down if you remove its powersource ... or first PC anyway |
| 12:09.24 | Tribat | its like i kill myself |
| 12:09.30 | Tribat | if i shut it down |
| 12:09.34 | bob2 | er |
| 12:09.37 | bob2 | that's kinda stupid |
| 12:09.41 | bob2 | uptime doesn't mean anything |
| 12:09.46 | Tribat | yes it does :( |
| 12:09.48 | TinoW | Tribat: its already death ;) |
| 12:09.52 | Tribat | how i can know how much there was uptime? |
| 12:09.56 | Tribat | i tihnk it was 130days |
| 12:09.56 | bob2 | you can't |
| 12:10.04 | Tribat | there is no log for that? |
| 12:10.13 | Gathond | bob2: yes it does, in his case 5 months mean you can make a list of kernel voulnarabilities to exploit |
| 12:10.16 | sep | Tribat: too late for that now, besides you seriously need a kernel upgrade anyways so.. |
| 12:10.23 | bob2 | Tribat: nope |
| 12:10.28 | bob2 | Tribat: really, it doesn't matter |
| 12:10.34 | streuner | Tribat: if the server stands elsewhere just tell somebody |
| 12:10.36 | Tribat | it does to me |
| 12:10.39 | Tribat | its everything to me |
| 12:10.46 | bob2 | you need to get a hobby then |
| 12:10.49 | bob2 | or a gf/bf |
| 12:10.52 | Tribat | i was so close!!!! |
| 12:10.59 | Tribat | allmost half year |
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| 12:11.08 | Tribat | think HALF YEAR! |
| 12:11.16 | Tribat | well there is lots of dust in that case |
| 12:11.21 | szzs | hi, i am installing sarge right now. i got to the partitioning part. my old system had reiserfs on / and i want to keep that way. the installation menu displays the correct fs type but it doesnt allow to define where to mount it till i choose another fs type. and there is no reiserfs type in the list. what should i do? |
| 12:11.24 | Tribat | maby dust is the reason |
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| 12:11.45 | Tribat | becose i cant see motherboard :D |
| 12:11.47 | sep | szzs: install on another partition move your / to a reiserfs afterwars, or dont use reiserfs |
| 12:11.50 | Tribat | there is too much shit |
| 12:12.05 | sep | Tribat: your luckt you didnt burn down your place! |
| 12:12.15 | Tribat | well its veeeery nice weather |
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| 12:12.20 | Tribat | mayby i go wash my computer |
| 12:12.20 | sansaway | where can I get bmcsensors.ko on amd64? |
| 12:12.24 | Tribat | :/ |
| 12:12.46 | Tribat | but 5moths only :(( |
| 12:12.46 | Tribat | :,( |
| 12:12.53 | bob2 | 5 months isn't very long |
| 12:12.57 | sep | isnt there a supportgroup for uptimeaddictives ? |
| 12:12.58 | bob2 | I had a machine up for 18 months |
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| 12:13.09 | Tribat | 18 :(((((( |
| 12:13.13 | Tribat | and i only got 5 |
| 12:13.15 | Tribat | i suck |
| 12:13.20 | Tribat | me sux |
| 12:13.26 | sep | 4,5 years on a non internett connected closed network |
| 12:13.47 | sep | admitatly it didn't _do_ much :) |
| 12:14.17 | Tribat | hey how many months is 130days? |
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| 12:14.17 | foobared | sep: which kernel? 1.0? :) |
| 12:14.17 | Tribat | hmm |
| 12:14.22 | thandavarayan | Tribat: equals to 130/(30or31or29) = x months |
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| 12:14.24 | szzs | sep if i understood right then i should: install to an ext2 part where / ist the ext2. then i should move the / to another place. then format / to reiserfs and then copy / back to its place? |
| 12:14.37 | Tribat | well then i didint eaven had 5moths |
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| 12:14.39 | Tribat | only 4 |
| 12:14.43 | Tribat | well |
| 12:14.47 | Tribat | :/ |
| 12:14.52 | Tribat | my life is now over |
| 12:15.10 | sep | foobared: actualy that was a aix or a hp-ux cant remember. |
| 12:15.11 | karjala | Is there a program like 'stunnel', but which will allow me to present a different certificate for each IP different address? ('stunnel's config file only allows you to select one certificate for all IPs & all ports of the system it runs on) |
| 12:15.17 | streuner | sounds to me, its a crazy troll |
| 12:15.21 | Tribat | mayby i should now end this stupid life completly |
| 12:15.34 | Tribat | eaven Tux hates me :( |
| 12:15.39 | onre | stop whining |
| 12:15.43 | bob2 | Tribat: stop being so stupid |
| 12:15.46 | bob2 | Tribat: uptime means nothing |
| 12:16.02 | szzs | thats relative |
| 12:16.14 | Tribat | uptime is only thing that matters |
| 12:16.21 | onre | well, if you've got to compensate lacks in other fields, then uptime might mean something |
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| 12:16.24 | Tribat | nothing is so important than uptime |
| 12:16.25 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 12:16.33 | bob2 | jesus christ |
| 12:16.33 | Tribat | well im gonna go now turn that peace of shit down |
| 12:16.40 | bob2 | Tribat: that's stupid, and we don't care |
| 12:16.42 | Tribat | and im gonna turn me down |
| 12:16.48 | sep | szzs: omething like that, but i would have installed / to the 'other place' directly trhen just moved it to the reiserfs place |
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| 12:16.57 | Tribat | goodbye stupid world |
| 12:16.58 | Tribat | >:( |
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| 12:17.01 | sep | szzs: or I woudn't use reiserfs :) |
| 12:17.01 | bob2 | Tribat: #psychosis |
| 12:17.07 | szzs | :) |
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| 12:17.10 | amorphix | whats the best way to setup a swap file/partition on a post-installation system which is using 100% of hdd space already? |
| 12:17.13 | thandavarayan | Tribat: never again |
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| 12:17.28 | sep | amorphix: use a swap file |
| 12:17.35 | amorphix | sep: is it easy to do? |
| 12:17.36 | thandavarayan | sep: how |
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| 12:17.58 | amorphix | sep: i have 256MB ram (54MB free) and my system is totally unstable in KDE |
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| 12:18.13 | amorphix | i should do a 512MB swap? |
| 12:18.19 | bob2 | yes |
| 12:18.21 | sep | amorphix: man mkswap |
| 12:18.26 | amorphix | thanx guys |
| 12:18.46 | Tribat | lol reboot dont work :D |
| 12:18.49 | Tribat | it says kernel error :D |
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| 12:19.48 | streuner | Tribat: don't use water to clean the box! |
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| 12:19.57 | Tribat | mount[139] exited with preeempt count 1 |
| 12:20.00 | Tribat | :( |
| 12:20.13 | szzs | sep is there a way to avoid thet menu style partitioning? i switched to another console andi managed to do it by hand, the partitioning part i mean, but where can i adjust the mount options? like what to mount to / or /home and so on. because in the next step he wants to mount them |
| 12:20.14 | onre | sounds like your hardware is broken. |
| 12:20.14 | Tribat | well mayby i REALLY have to clean it |
| 12:20.15 | cafuego | amorphix: Keep in mind that if KDE wants more then 256MB, it will get SLOW when it starts using swap. |
| 12:20.19 | Tribat | well :D |
| 12:20.22 | Tribat | cool x) |
| 12:20.31 | Tribat | gonna go smack the box |
| 12:20.44 | Tribat | goodold fist makes things better |
| 12:20.46 | amorphix | cafuego: thats what i feared |
| 12:20.56 | cafuego | amorphix: Ram is pretty cheap these days. |
| 12:20.59 | amorphix | maybe i should just move upto 512MB ram |
| 12:21.15 | cafuego | And antyhing not KDE is smaller and faster ;-) |
| 12:21.27 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:21.28 | sep | szzs: not tried that, but you could try to mount by hand on your other console, and skip that part in the installer. |
| 12:22.07 | amorphix | i screwed up guys |
| 12:22.19 | Tribat | OHMAAAAN i've never seen that much of dust |
| 12:22.25 | Tribat | that amount is CRAAZZYYY |
| 12:22.31 | Tribat | there is nothing but dust |
| 12:22.42 | amorphix | i ran mkswap /dev without specifying block size, and now 100% of my hdd is used for swap and im in read only mode :-/ |
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| 12:22.53 | amorphix | eeek |
| 12:23.03 | Tribat | im starting to realize what is the cause of my problem :DDD |
| 12:23.10 | hikenboot | I did a tcpdump and get storm.widexs.net.ircd <---anyone know who or what this is? |
| 12:23.18 | amorphix | now im screwed? |
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| 12:23.55 | streuner | yes, we realize that too now, you too much spare time |
| 12:24.03 | streuner | have* |
| 12:24.09 | sep | amorphix: you didnt read man mkswap where it was explained how to make your swapfile ? |
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| 12:24.29 | amorphix | sep: i didnt read it properly, i just skimmed thru it :-/ |
| 12:24.50 | amorphix | is it possible to undo mkswap? |
| 12:24.54 | sep | amorphix: so you didnt get the part where you make your swapfile with a dd command i guess :) |
| 12:25.04 | amorphix | bugger, i didnt |
| 12:25.05 | amorphix | heh |
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| 12:25.10 | storage | hi |
| 12:25.14 | sep | amorphix: dont think so, it's the same as mkfs/formatting a device |
| 12:25.19 | sep | in your case a directory |
| 12:25.22 | amorphix | :-O |
| 12:25.42 | sep | amorphix: you have tried a reboot ofcouse ? |
| 12:25.45 | storage | anyone know if mrtg could get information based on Virtual Ethernet interfaces? |
| 12:25.47 | sep | amorphix: reinstall :) |
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| 12:25.56 | amorphix | heh, i think my 90% of my system is gone |
| 12:26.04 | amorphix | doh |
| 12:26.20 | sep | storage: mrtg gets info from snmp, if you can configure your net-snmp to provide the info mrtg can graph it. but i think no |
| 12:26.35 | sep | storage: since the kernel only keeps counters for the real interface |
| 12:26.48 | amorphix | brb, i gotta re-install |
| 12:26.49 | sep | afaik |
| 12:26.52 | Ry12 | is dhclient same as dhcpcd ? |
| 12:26.55 | sep | might be totaly off tho :) |
| 12:26.58 | amorphix | now's time to move to 2.6 kernel maybe |
| 12:27.11 | sep | Ry12: one a client to the other that is a server |
| 12:27.22 | storage | so |
| 12:27.24 | storage | whats mean |
| 12:27.25 | sep | ohh no there was a c there. |
| 12:27.26 | storage | Changes 2.10.8 |
| 12:27.26 | storage | -------------- |
| 12:27.26 | storage | From: Marc Baudoin <babafou location pasteur.fr> |
| 12:27.26 | storage | * cfgmaker has to know about Foundry virtual Ethernet interfaces |
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| 12:27.48 | storage | sorry people |
| 12:28.19 | Ry12 | so i cant use dhclient to connect to my adsl modem ? |
| 12:28.21 | storage | sep: could u read lines i`ve pasted gere? |
| 12:28.39 | streuner | Ry12: no |
| 12:28.41 | Ry12 | woody doesnt come with dhcpcd |
| 12:28.51 | sep | Ry12: if your adsl modem is a dhcp server and router you should, if not you eed pppoe i think |
| 12:28.53 | Ry12 | in the base install |
| 12:29.06 | Ry12 | yeah its dhcp |
| 12:29.09 | storage | sep: its on CHANGES in mrtg site..... |
| 12:29.19 | sep | storage: i dont know what foundry virtual ethernet interfaces is |
| 12:29.22 | bob2 | YAY |
| 12:29.25 | bob2 | STAR TREK IS GONE |
| 12:29.30 | Ry12 | i had slackware before and it connected fine with dhcpcd but dhclient isnt working in debian woody |
| 12:29.53 | asg | bob2: maybe the telly will have non-crap on for once |
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| 12:31.10 | liable | Ry12: install sarge |
| 12:31.42 | benjamindees | which is preferred for unified login in Debian: PAM or LDAP ? |
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| 12:31.50 | imachine | hi :> |
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| 12:32.02 | bob2 | benjamindees: they're rather orthogonal |
| 12:32.05 | sep | storage: i woudnt know. mrtg didnt support that last time i used it. |
| 12:32.08 | bob2 | you configure PAM to use LDAP |
| 12:32.12 | vds | I'm trying to create a crypted loopback device with a file but when I try $ losetup -e aes-256 /dev/loop0 myfile I get ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument , suggestion ? |
| 12:32.32 | benjamindees | bob2, okay, so PAM is still widely used? |
| 12:32.38 | asg | benjamindees: yes |
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| 12:32.55 | bob2 | benjamindees: every linux distribution aside from slackware uses pam |
| 12:33.00 | benjamindees | thank you asg, bob2 |
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| 12:36.07 | szzs | sep: i tried to mount them, fdisk -l said that they are in /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/len0/partX . i tried to mount one reiserfs partiton and couldnt (error msg: No such device). after that i tried to mount an ext2 one and succeeded. i am beginning to think that sarge installer doesnt support reiserfs :( |
| 12:37.09 | reader | PAM? (useless...) |
| 12:37.26 | reader | LDAP too |
| 12:37.43 | benjamindees | reader, what do you prefer? |
| 12:37.48 | reader | none |
| 12:37.52 | sep | szzs: yes sarge installer dont support reiserfs. thats why you need to install on something else and move it after the install is finished! |
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| 12:38.03 | reader | no service,no pay. hehe |
| 12:38.15 | sep | szzs: and why dont you just use ext3.. |
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| 12:39.31 | liable | sep: cant you format reiser with the install? I thought you could |
| 12:39.48 | szzs | sep: it doesnt support ext3 neither |
| 12:39.54 | szzs | liable: yeah i could format them |
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| 12:40.03 | liable | szzs: tried -t reiserfs? |
| 12:40.08 | szzs | yes |
| 12:40.43 | liable | szzs: modprobe the module??? wild guess |
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| 12:42.01 | sep | szzs: is that the latest d-i or an older one ? |
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| 12:42.21 | szzs | sep: if i choose for ex Multi-user system, then there appears the ext3 typ at some partitions. but if i modify them, like choose ext2 or fat32 :) for example then i cant modify it back to ext3 because it isnt in the list |
| 12:42.25 | szzs | latest |
| 12:42.30 | szzs | i leeched it 3 days ago |
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| 12:44.55 | szzs | then i said ok, let him do it as he wishes. he formats the partition with ext3 and after that he cant mount them and sends me back to the partition menu |
| 12:45.19 | benjamindees | okay so I'm looking at postfix -> saslauthd -> pam -> something else |
| 12:45.30 | benjamindees | seems overly complex |
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| 12:45.55 | sep | szzs: i have nothing to test on now, but maybe the guys in #debian-boot could aid you |
| 12:46.13 | liable | szzs: delete the partition, then partition it, if you know what I mean :) |
| 12:46.17 | szzs | liable yeah |
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| 12:47.18 | sep | benjamindees: you dont nessesarily need pam, you can use saslauthd directly against several sources. but with pam those same sources could also be used for other services -. your call |
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| 12:48.02 | benjamindees | sep, well my goal is unified auth, so I guess pam is it |
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| 12:58.52 | administrator | alo |
| 12:58.57 | administrator | bom dia pessoal |
| 12:59.01 | greycat | !br |
| 12:59.02 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:59.23 | administrator | ok |
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| 13:00.51 | streuner | apt, test |
| 13:00.52 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 13:01.08 | streuner | damnit, 'Test failed' |
| 13:01.37 | greycat | Grrr.... someone "cleaned" that one up and simultaneously nuked the randomness. |
| 13:01.59 | streuner | hm, that makes sense |
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| 13:02.09 | greycat | ~factinfo test |
| 13:02.09 | apt | test -- last modified at Fri Apr 22 11:20:35 2005 by Shadur!~shadur@swordbreaker.systemec.nl; it has been requested 5 times, last by streuner, 1m 17s ago. |
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| 13:04.53 | Shadur | I didn't unrandom it. It was already nonrandom when I set that. |
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| 13:05.42 | streuner | Shadur: well, what did you change at all then? |
| 13:05.49 | jethro | hi |
| 13:05.55 | mannyto | Hi, i got a very old laptop so i tried to install it slink, but i have trounbles with the low memory instaler |
| 13:06.18 | greycat | mannyto: how much RAM? |
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| 13:06.33 | mannyto | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.39 | administrator | good morning |
| 13:06.50 | mannyto | Good morning |
| 13:07.09 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:07.12 | greycat | mannyto: I doubt very much you'll be able to use that for any Unix-like OS released in the last 10 years. |
| 13:07.45 | greycat | compiling nethack took all night. |
| 13:07.53 | mannyto | greycat: Well, take a look: http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-low-mem |
| 13:07.55 | streuner | yeah, that would prolly work or dos 3.3 |
| 13:08.28 | mannyto | It have win 3.11, but i wanted debian on it!! |
| 13:08.41 | streuner | mannyto: you need more RAM |
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| 13:09.11 | greycat | what were you actually planning to do with it? |
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| 13:10.08 | mannyto | streuner: But in the link that i post before said that it is possible to install slink with less than 5 Mb of RAM |
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| 13:10.32 | greycat | maybe they meant 4.75? |
| 13:10.51 | mannyto | greycat: I just wanna a base system and some console aplications, anything else |
| 13:11.19 | tracer | When I try to adjust my speaker settings so one is louder than the other it equalises them automaticly, is there a way around this? |
| 13:11.20 | benjamindees | mannyto, what kinds of problems are you having? (error?) |
| 13:11.27 | greycat | mannyto: unfortunately I can't help; I doubt anyone here really knows the installer (especially slink's) at that level of detail |
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| 13:12.29 | mannyto | greycat: =) may be, but thanks, ah, in the system requirements says that i need 40Mb of disk space and at least 2 Mb for a base instalation |
| 13:13.05 | mannyto | benjamindees: well, when it supouse to load kernel, my computer restarts |
| 13:13.46 | dcwdcwc | hello. what makes better performance with debian ? AMD Sempron or the Pentium Celeron 256kb cache? |
| 13:13.46 | streuner | sounds rather like an hardware-error |
| 13:14.17 | mannyto | streuner: could be, that's what i traying to find out |
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| 13:16.30 | administrator | i have problem, i don,t confiurate my print in my network |
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| 13:16.37 | mannyto | Well, thank you all for help, see you |
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| 13:16.57 | Trewas | dcwdcwc: pentium4 based celerons are so abysmally slow that sempron will be faster in everything |
| 13:17.18 | administrator | help please! |
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| 13:18.20 | administrator | peolple help-me!! |
| 13:18.32 | Ronin | patience administrator |
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| 13:18.44 | administrator | ok |
| 13:18.50 | administrator | tank's im sorry |
| 13:19.05 | Tribat | wohoo |
| 13:19.10 | Tribat | it was hardware fault :) |
| 13:19.15 | Tribat | whole shit is now washed :P |
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| 13:19.48 | administrator | Tribat you speak whit me |
| 13:20.03 | greycat | !ask |
| 13:20.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 13:21.11 | eNTi | hi. i'd like to know what processes possibly wake up my hdd all the time. i've a simple debian router. there's only a firewall. my /var/log/* is only updated, if i'm login onto that machine, i've redirected all the other logging stuff to tty8. my hdd can't go in sleep mode (it's quite noisy) because some process seems to wake it up all the time. |
| 13:21.26 | greycat | eNTi: ext3 file system? |
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| 13:22.10 | eNTi | greycat: ah... that could be journaling? |
| 13:22.39 | jerome | what pkg is to be reconfigured to redirect mails originally intended to "root" to an unprivileged user ? |
| 13:22.41 | eNTi | greycat: ah and yes. it's ext3. |
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| 13:22.57 | greycat | eNTi: try ext2 instead (/msg dpkg ext3->ext2) |
| 13:23.12 | administrator | bye |
| 13:23.17 | mops_ | how can I force command `w' to display also users logged in through ftp? |
| 13:23.26 | mops_ | because when I type last - I seed ther |
| 13:23.41 | mops_ | user "user", time and "still logged in" |
| 13:23.45 | eNTi | greycat: thx. the command doesnt to anything :/ |
| 13:23.51 | eNTi | tough |
| 13:24.03 | mops_ | but when I type `w' he isn't listed there |
| 13:24.17 | jerome | seems info is in /etc/aliases |
| 13:24.24 | eNTi | greycat: typo... sorry. |
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| 13:26.15 | Tribat | LoL |
| 13:26.19 | Tribat | linux did it again :D |
| 13:26.21 | Tribat | its down |
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| 13:26.38 | reader | ? |
| 13:26.43 | Tribat | what the fuck is that |
| 13:26.46 | Tribat | is just stucks |
| 13:26.53 | reader | what what? |
| 13:26.58 | Tribat | mouse starts to slow |
| 13:27.05 | Tribat | and it just freezes completly |
| 13:27.08 | reader | mine is ok |
| 13:27.12 | Tribat | FUCK |
| 13:27.18 | Tribat | i have to put updates |
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| 13:28.14 | sep | Tribat: how this soulds like an overheating issue |
| 13:28.51 | Tribat | hardware |
| 13:29.06 | Tribat | its same thing again mount[139] exited with preempt count 1 |
| 13:29.20 | Tribat | there is something wrong with my hardware |
| 13:30.00 | Tribat | what could it be |
| 13:30.33 | incorrect | for some reason my ntp clients can't get the time from the local subnets ntp server, |
| 13:30.41 | sep | Tribat: start with memtest86 |
| 13:30.47 | greycat | is the NTP server in sync? what does ntptrace say? |
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| 13:31.21 | Tribat | sep kernels recovery mode works |
| 13:31.55 | sep | Tribat: check your disks then, you said it failed on a mount? could also be an indication |
| 13:31.57 | incorrect | now if i have udp 123 open, i should be able to access the remote server |
| 13:32.09 | sep | Tribat: but a memtest never hurts.. |
| 13:32.13 | Tribat | ok |
| 13:32.15 | Tribat | i can run it now |
| 13:32.16 | incorrect | greycat, yes the ntp server is i get a a time out message |
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| 13:32.21 | Tribat | memtest |
| 13:32.25 | Tribat | anything else? |
| 13:32.41 | incorrect | no server suitable for synchronization found, is what i get from ntpdate |
| 13:32.55 | incorrect | google hasn't given anything useful |
| 13:33.03 | Tribat | only memtest wont worj |
| 13:33.07 | Tribat | it need something |
| 13:33.46 | greycat | incorrect: duh. |
| 13:34.06 | Tribat | sep i have 512 memory |
| 13:34.10 | Tribat | should i check that all |
| 13:34.14 | Tribat | memtest all |
| 13:34.24 | incorrect | greycat, what stupid thing have i done? |
| 13:34.34 | greycat | "hey guys my car won't start why!!!!?!" "well what happens when you turn the key" "i cant turn the key because my car is stolen! Help me fux0rzz!!!!" |
| 13:34.36 | Tribat | i remember i tryed memtest once and whole machine went down :( |
| 13:34.54 | onre | well that should tell you something, eh? |
| 13:34.59 | reader | @_@ |
| 13:35.16 | Tribat | memtest says segmentation fault |
| 13:35.20 | Tribat | it prints LOTS of text |
| 13:35.24 | Tribat | errors and stuff |
| 13:35.28 | greycat | Tribat: you, uh, have to *boot* it. |
| 13:35.40 | greycat | did you even *try* to read the instructions? |
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| 13:35.47 | incorrect | ok try this |
| 13:35.50 | Tribat | yes |
| 13:35.52 | Tribat | i tryed |
| 13:35.57 | Tribat | and it sayd all |
| 13:36.05 | Tribat | there is very much errors now on the screen |
| 13:36.21 | greycat | you either copy the memtest86 floppy image to a floppy and then boot from that floppy, or you set up LILO to boot into memtest86 and then reboot and do the LILO magic. |
| 13:36.23 | incorrect | udp port 123 is open, ntpd appears to be running on the server, |
| 13:36.24 | greycat | which did you do? |
| 13:36.45 | Tribat | i wrote memtest all to console :O |
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| 13:36.51 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:36.54 | Tribat | i dont have floppy or cd |
| 13:37.08 | greycat | !sing monday |
| 13:37.08 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 13:37.25 | Tribat | hmm |
| 13:37.45 | Tribat | well i dont know how to set lilo to boot memtest86 |
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| 13:38.03 | benjamindees | are some mirrors no longer complete? do some not contain Woody? |
| 13:38.36 | resiak | Tribat: So copy the memtest86 floppy image to a floppy and boot from it. |
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| 13:38.39 | Tribat | hey but i can make cd with other computer |
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| 13:39.45 | reader | just get a liveCD ... |
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| 13:39.54 | reader | name is XXXXXXXX |
| 13:40.11 | ivoks | argh! |
| 13:40.18 | Tribat | i burned it |
| 13:40.29 | Tribat | how long memtest takes? |
| 13:40.42 | PerfDave | Tribat: It'll keep running for as long as you run it. |
| 13:41.04 | Tribat | but how long to know if memory is broken |
| 13:41.07 | benjamindees | Tribat, six hours is a good run; you should have at least one error by then |
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| 13:41.30 | reader | oh, stress linux (livecd) ^^ |
| 13:41.44 | greycat | reader: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 13:41.50 | reader | no |
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| 13:42.06 | reader | so? go away? |
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| 13:44.56 | |deftones| | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.02 | Tribat | test is running |
| 13:45.10 | Tribat | wtf |
| 13:45.12 | drac | |deftones|: go ask in #gentoo. |
| 13:45.12 | Tribat | 6hours!!!! |
| 13:45.15 | greycat | neither of those is a package manager. |
| 13:45.16 | Tribat | its like 6hours! |
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| 13:45.21 | Tribat | i wanna do it in 1hour |
| 13:45.36 | sep | Tribat: depends on your scenario, if your server works fine for 1 week then fails. then leave memtest running for > 1 week :) if it fails immidiatly then leave it running a night or so :) |
| 13:45.39 | |deftones| | drac: in gentoo they told me that :) |
| 13:46.02 | drac | how suprising .. |
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| 13:46.12 | benjamindees | speaking of, is anybody using badmem successfully? |
| 13:46.45 | Tribat | :( |
| 13:46.54 | benjamindees | or, badram |
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| 13:47.08 | greycat | or badmotorfinger |
| 13:47.45 | Tribat | i tihnk if its memory fault it would not print mount[139] exited with preemrt_count 1 |
| 13:48.10 | cbr | i have a problem.. something (probably some init script) is flooding my /dev tree with hundreds of tty* files during bootup.. i dont need so much.. how can i turn it off? |
| 13:48.21 | cbr | i'm using udev |
| 13:48.26 | pif | hi, how do I tell gnome apps to not display text alongside toolbar buttons? |
| 13:48.39 | greycat | !pal cbr |
| 13:48.41 | pif | what gnome config applet does that? |
| 13:48.46 | cbr | greycat: huh? |
| 13:48.54 | greycat | svr1a:~$ ls /dev/tty* | wc -l |
| 13:48.54 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.59 | cbr | i have 616 |
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| 13:49.03 | greycat | svr1a:~$ ls /dev/pty* | wc -l |
| 13:49.03 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.04 | cbr | ah |
| 13:49.10 | sep | pif: a wild guess would be the gnome-control-center |
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| 13:49.18 | cbr | # ls -l /dev/tty* | wc -l |
| 13:49.18 | cbr | 270 |
| 13:49.21 | reader | 255 |
| 13:49.24 | cbr | only 12 are necessary |
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| 13:49.29 | pif | thanks |
| 13:49.34 | greycat | fucking gnometards. |
| 13:49.55 | cbr | so why do i have 270 : |
| 13:49.56 | cbr | o |
| 13:50.08 | reader | i prefer 999 |
| 13:51.09 | cbr | under gentoo i had only 12 |
| 13:51.24 | cbr | and no more is needed afaik |
| 13:51.34 | ivoks | cbr under gentoo u had udev |
| 13:51.41 | cbr | i have udev under debian too |
| 13:51.53 | ivoks | and 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:51.56 | cbr | yes |
| 13:51.58 | cbr | ofcourse |
| 13:52.21 | greycat | cbr: how can your computer possibly *know* that you only "need" 12? How the fuck would it know that you never have anyone ssh'ing in? |
| 13:52.21 | cbr | it even has a patch to set the max tty number to 12 :p |
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| 13:52.31 | greycat | what stupidity! |
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| 13:52.44 | Kream | hi. How many packages are in debian? |
| 13:52.54 | greycat | 42 |
| 13:52.58 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 13:53.05 | cbr | greycat: but if i dont need them atm, why are they created.. i mean that's the purpose of udev.. not to create unnecessary device nodes |
| 13:53.07 | KerPlunk | That are an insane amount of packages. |
| 13:53.24 | greycat | someone give me ONE reason why I should not /ignore anyone who mentions udev. |
| 13:53.28 | greycat | just one. |
| 13:53.37 | cbr | because udev is the future? |
| 13:53.44 | KerPlunk | udev is the future |
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| 13:53.49 | KerPlunk | all hail udev |
| 13:53.57 | cbr | you should |
| 13:53.57 | greycat | *plonk* *plonk* |
| 13:53.59 | Kream | udev is very good, yes. |
| 13:54.22 | trevorc | Kream, check www.debian.org, is lists > 8710 :) |
| 13:54.33 | Kream | wow. |
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| 13:55.11 | cbr | so i'm very stupid to expect any help here? |
| 13:55.19 | cbr | or ideas |
| 13:55.29 | greycat | !dstats sarge |
| 13:55.37 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15834 packages, 1477 maintainers, 29029 MB installed size, 9233 MB compressed size. |
| 13:55.44 | pwned | cbr: I ask stuff, but don't expect answers |
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| 13:56.52 | pwned | so which packet should I reconfigure to set up my domain name on the LAN again? |
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| 13:57.17 | greycat | !hostname |
| 13:57.18 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist |
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| 13:57.47 | greycat | !domain name |
| 13:57.47 | pwned | no no, domain name |
| 13:57.47 | dpkg | Domain names are used to represent more complex TCP/IP addresses. For example, we purchased the UGeek.com domain name so we could use it to represent our server's address. You purchase domain names through the InterNIC. They can be reached at www.internic.net. The fee for owning a domain name is currently $100 for the first two years, and $50 a year thereafter. Domain name purchasing is first come first served. |
| 13:57.51 | greycat | bah. |
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| 13:58.00 | greycat | pwned: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:58.07 | benjamindees | pwned, depends on what you mean by "on the LAN" |
| 13:58.23 | pwned | benjamindees: greycat got it right by chance, then |
| 13:58.26 | pwned | thanks both |
| 13:58.36 | pwned | it is a dhcp lan, I don't know how to explain |
| 13:59.17 | benjamindees | ah, dns server you mean then |
| 13:59.19 | greycat | dpkg, no, domain name is <reply> Edit /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf to set your DNS domain name. Edit /etc/defaultdomain to set your NIS domain name (and see "man domainname" and /usr/share/doc/nis/nis.debian.howto.gz). |
| 13:59.20 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 13:59.30 | greycat | I can't help with Kerberos. |
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| 13:59.47 | pwned | benjamindees: sounds right |
| 13:59.49 | cire | Our internet connection (DSL, PPP) became very slow from one moment to another. We didn't change anything on our router (Debian) and the ISP says, there's no known line-problem. I do not have any services running which could cause heavy traffic. It is also not a routing-problem, because I tested the speed directly on the router. |
| 14:00.41 | pwned | but there is also this setup program at sarge netinstall cd's network detection section |
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| 14:00.54 | pwned | I thougth there was some dpkg --configure <package> way of getting that |
| 14:01.01 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse pwned |
| 14:01.02 | dpkg | No, them was your badger today, pwned? lederhosen of the republic of mongolia with extra herring |
| 14:01.15 | pwned | < _ > |
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| 14:02.22 | websdale | pwned:etherconf |
| 14:02.42 | websdale | pwned:maybe |
| 14:03.19 | cire | how may I find out, which services cause heaqvy traffic? |
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| 14:06.54 | pwned | websdale: etherconf kinda works, but it doesn't detect the settings automatically like that other program |
| 14:07.06 | pwned | anyway, it is all set up now |
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| 14:11.03 | Cope | Given a tar/gzip archive, how do you extract only one file from the archive, rather than the whole lot? Is this possible? |
| 14:11.09 | onre | sure |
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| 14:11.28 | onre | tar zxvf archive file_to_be_extracted - be sure to include pathname in archive |
| 14:11.38 | onre | iirc. |
| 14:11.45 | onre | check man page to be sure ;) |
| 14:11.46 | Cope | ah ok, so just add the file you want after the archive |
| 14:11.53 | incorrect | oh having lots of ips on a machine doesn't make for a happy ntpd |
| 14:12.02 | greycat | you have to specify the precise spelling of the directory path up to it, too. |
| 14:12.12 | greycat | e.g. ./foo/bar.c instead of foo/bar.c if that's what the TOC says. |
| 14:12.27 | cbr | Linux shield 2.6.12-rc2-love1 #4 Sat Apr 30 16:00:06 EEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:12.30 | cbr | :> |
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| 14:13.59 | Blissex | cbr: as in ''begging for trouble''? |
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| 14:14.49 | cbr | Blissex: asin bleeding-edge 8) |
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| 14:14.55 | drac | cbr: didn't you know rc3-mm2 is out?! omg wtf lol running so old kernel. |
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| 14:15.08 | jantje38 | hello all |
| 14:15.16 | pops | Hey.. I'm having a really weird problem in X.. My mouse-cursor randomly turns BLACK making it very hard to see on the rest of the screen |
| 14:15.18 | cbr | drac: fu :D |
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| 14:15.54 | Blissex | pops: that somtimes happens when hw cursors are enabled. Try switching to sw cursors. |
| 14:16.07 | pops | Blissex: How do I do that? |
| 14:16.17 | pops | in the xconfig? |
| 14:16.31 | jantje38 | anyone knows a good ftp with software on it to install mplayer |
| 14:16.34 | jantje38 | thanks |
| 14:16.57 | cbr | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 14:17.01 | cbr | left :/ |
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| 14:17.37 | jantje38 | back |
| 14:17.40 | cbr | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 14:17.42 | cbr | TRY THIS |
| 14:17.47 | cbr | sry for caps |
| 14:17.54 | cbr | apt-get install mplayer-386 |
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| 14:18.32 | greycat | jantje38: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 14:18.59 | drac | cbr: You can't possibly know if he is running unstable or not. |
| 14:19.35 | pops | Can someone tell me how to enable SW Cursors instead of HW? |
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| 14:21.01 | cuse | What do i have to do to see something under /sys ? |
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| 14:21.19 | cbr | cuse: enable sysfs support in kernel? |
| 14:21.35 | cuse | hmmm thought i had done that |
| 14:21.49 | cuse | no user space tools needed? |
| 14:22.29 | cbr | sysfsutils |
| 14:22.39 | cbr | is needed afaik |
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| 14:23.04 | cuse | gosh now i see something, dont ask what the reason was! ;) |
| 14:23.06 | cbr | 'sysfs query tool and boot-time setup' it says |
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| 14:23.18 | drac | pops: That depends on what driver you are using in XF86Config-4. http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/ |
| 14:23.22 | Teemu_K | :P |
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| 14:24.13 | trevorc | pops, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config file, I think that you can add a 'swcursor on', or something similar there ... have you tried google.com? |
| 14:24.18 | support_ | #flood |
| 14:24.29 | pops | yeah, i've been looking :[ |
| 14:24.41 | pops | let me try something, im gonna restart x.. thanks drac and trevorc |
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| 14:26.05 | jantje38 | why that nermin ftp is so slowx lol |
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| 14:28.39 | Qiang | anyone knows what package libgmodule belong to ? |
| 14:28.47 | greycat | Qiang: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:30.26 | Qiang | i actually did apt-file search libgmodule* and it gave me nothing |
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| 14:31.11 | bodq | hello |
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| 14:32.04 | bodq | insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/crypto/crc32c.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module <=== this happens on /etc/init.d/racoon restart ... however, after modprobe crc32c it starts to work |
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| 14:32.43 | asg | !insmod |
| 14:32.44 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
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| 14:33.02 | rafetcambaz_ | how can ? mount win directory with linux?:) |
| 14:33.11 | bodq | asg: it's invoked by the startup script.... |
| 14:33.14 | asg | rafetcambaz_: samba |
| 14:33.21 | rafetcambaz_ | with mount |
| 14:33.23 | asg | bodq: then fix the script and possibly file a bug |
| 14:33.23 | rafetcambaz_ | ? |
| 14:33.26 | asg | rafetcambaz_: smbfs |
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| 14:35.01 | bodq | asg: even more, it's invoked by racoon-tools :) |
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| 14:35.10 | nomed^ | hi |
| 14:35.22 | ruied | what do I need to have a dhcp server? what package? |
| 14:35.35 | asg | bodq: which debian are you using? |
| 14:35.35 | greycat | apt-cache search dhcp server |
| 14:35.44 | ruied | tx |
| 14:35.57 | bodq | asg: unstable |
| 14:36.10 | asg | bodq: time to check the bts then |
| 14:36.26 | asg | bodq: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298286 |
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| 14:37.16 | ruied | which is best, dhcp or dhcp3-server ?? |
| 14:37.36 | bodq | asg: 6 Mar, how comforting :)) |
| 14:37.59 | cuse | Where should I place my own udev rules? in /etc/udev/udev.rules? Or is there another way for custom rules? |
| 14:38.12 | asg | bodq: fix the problem, send a patch, help the community |
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| 14:38.42 | nomed^ | i'm trying to use cvs .. reading info cvs. i have a cvs/root/CVSROOT dir and in CVSROOT there is a dir called Emptydir. Should i use this dir (changing the name) to create my ptoject? |
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| 14:39.16 | crschmidt | I have a package which failed preconfigure (I accidentally typed no to a license agreement) |
| 14:39.26 | crschmidt | I want to re-preconfigure, but I'm not sure how |
| 14:39.36 | nomed^ | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:39.39 | nomed^ | maybe .. |
| 14:39.45 | greycat | or possibly "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 14:40.50 | mwelsh | anyone here ever use archway? |
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| 14:41.06 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 14:41.06 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:41.28 | mwelsh | yogi, is that you? |
| 14:41.34 | crschmidt | dpkg-reconfigure says it's not installed, dpkg --configure -a does not take any non-option arguments |
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| 14:42.12 | crschmidt | dpkg: error processing j2re1.4 (--configure): no package named `j2re1.4' is installed, cannot configure |
| 14:42.12 | dpkg | crschmidt: that's too long |
| 14:42.13 | benjamindees | crschmidt, can you remove the package and completely reinstall? |
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| 14:42.30 | bodq | asg: it's bogus that racoon-tool. :) Who's that Matthew Grant? |
| 14:42.59 | nomed^ | crschmidt, check the correct name |
| 14:43.02 | crschmidt | benjamindees: i tried apt-get remove j2re1.4 and apt-get install j2re1.4 |
| 14:43.05 | m4lu6 | would anyone be able to throw me a bone on this one? added 'quiet' to kernel stanza in grub, which suppresses kernel stuffs at boot, but I'd like to suppress more, namely all the startup output. *pointers? |
| 14:43.05 | crschmidt | but it still didn't work |
| 14:43.15 | asg | !info racoon-tools |
| 14:43.36 | benjamindees | crschmidt, try dpkg --remove |
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| 14:43.53 | asg | bodq: is racoon-tools a package? where did you get it? |
| 14:43.53 | bodq | asg: it's in raccon, and not supported by the mainstream |
| 14:43.58 | crschmidt | benjamindees: says it's not installed |
| 14:44.15 | bodq | asg: racoon-tool, a racoon configuration tool |
| 14:44.22 | asg | bodq: oh, okay |
| 14:44.27 | greycat | m4lu6: turn off the monitor |
| 14:44.36 | m4lu6 | greycat, hahah. yeah. no :) |
| 14:44.41 | asg | bodq: does putting the crc32 module in /etc/modules stop it complaining at start up? |
| 14:44.52 | greycat | m4lu6: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 14:45.00 | benjamindees | crschmidt, --purge perhaps |
| 14:45.03 | m4lu6 | it's a laptop, anyway. no problem, per se. just experimenting with boot stuffs. |
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| 14:45.28 | bodq | asg: it does insmod on all /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/crypto/*.ko , but some of them depend on other modules in kernel/lib/ |
| 14:45.34 | bodq | asg, it probably would work |
| 14:45.39 | asg | m4lu6: this is unix, the fun stuff happens after 'login: ' anyway |
| 14:45.50 | asg | bodq: then it shouldn't be using insmod |
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| 14:46.16 | m4lu6 | not that i see boot messages very much anyway, considering stability of systems, i've been watching output scroll on my terminal for years, now i want to squelch it :) |
| 14:46.26 | bodq | asg: it I replace insmod with modprobe, it fails with many weird errors in other places |
| 14:46.58 | greycat | m4lu6: as soon as you suppress it, some catastrophic error is going to occur and you won't know about it. |
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| 14:47.08 | asg | bodq: then use a quick hack until the problem is fixed. |
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| 14:47.21 | m4lu6 | greycat, knowing my luck, you're probably right |
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| 14:47.46 | m4lu6 | everything's still being logged, mind you, just not being displayed; 'cept for startup scripts. that output, i'd like to shut off, now |
| 14:47.51 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 14:47.56 | bodq | asg, thanks! I wonder if it ever will be resolved |
| 14:48.28 | asg | bodq: probably, it just isn't a show stopper and/or the maintainer hasn't had a chance to work on it. |
| 14:48.50 | crschmidt | ah, my problem is blackdown specific, solution is at http://www.mail-archive.com/java-linux@java.blackdown.org/msg15712.html |
| 14:48.55 | crschmidt | thanks for the help |
| 14:49.05 | crschmidt | sorry that I didn't have a clue what i was doing :) |
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| 14:49.15 | bodq | asg, right, you can always stop using that racoon-tool as a workaround :) |
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| 14:49.24 | asg | bodq: indeed. |
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| 14:51.45 | anto9us | should I be able to get nautilus to render html files? |
| 14:51.54 | bodq | asg, there should be a notice about linux IPSec implementation in addition to FreeS/WAN [in !ipsec] |
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| 14:52.20 | asg | bodq: file a wishlist bug |
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| 14:52.58 | bodq | asg: i mean dkpg's KB :) |
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| 14:54.13 | IDC | quick question : If i have made changes in ~/.bashrc,without rebooting i should ran 'source ~/.bashrc' ? |
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| 14:54.39 | Rydekull | yes |
| 14:54.46 | IDC | thanks |
| 14:54.54 | Stormchaser | Hi! Where can I find laterst 'testing' ISO images? |
| 14:55.00 | IDC | run that only once ? |
| 14:55.02 | Stormchaser | *latest |
| 14:55.14 | greycat | !d-i |
| 14:55.14 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 14:55.32 | IDC | Rydekull, sorry,was taht 'yes' for me / |
| 14:55.33 | IDC | ? |
| 14:56.19 | Rydekull | IDC: yes |
| 14:56.23 | IDC | I see |
| 14:56.27 | IDC | brb |
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| 14:59.05 | asg | bodq: feel free to append info to the factoid (/msg dpkg help) |
| 14:59.09 | metoo | can anyone tell me where to find out status of pure64, i haven't gotten an update since friday |
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| 15:00.50 | nkuttler | hm, my pcmcia interfaces don't come up at boot because the networking init script starts before pcmcia starts. Am I missing something obvious? |
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| 15:01.24 | IDC | who i was asking for for the command 'source ~/.bashrc' please ? |
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| 15:01.45 | asg | nkuttler: you could rearrange the order of when pcmcia and networking come up. |
| 15:02.04 | m4lu6 | hehe. well. that didn't work. |
| 15:02.14 | m4lu6 | console=null != good |
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| 15:02.32 | asg | m4lu6: if you insist on going down this road, /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 15:02.42 | m4lu6 | asg, i've already got a bootsplash |
| 15:02.43 | nkuttler | asg: yes, i guess i'll do that |
| 15:03.01 | jetdotnet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:03.22 | jetdotnet | in /etc/rc2 or /etc/init.d or wherever it is |
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| 15:03.37 | nkuttler | jetdotnet: update-rc.d rather |
| 15:03.38 | m4lu6 | grub bootsplash, that is. it comes up, i choose my kernel, it boots. i get initrd message, then all the startup messages (network, usb, etc); all the kernel stuff's been suppressed, but not init scripts |
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| 15:03.51 | jetdotnet | ok or that |
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| 15:05.21 | jetdotnet | if it helps, i found out you need to install grub-doc to be able to effectively info grub |
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| 15:05.35 | madclicker | need help with horde3 and debian(sarge) |
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| 15:06.39 | jetdotnet | is there an ismokeball and maybe an idirtball? |
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| 15:07.30 | m4lu6 | asg: i see, bootsplash.org is not what i've got going; thanks. this is much more applicable to what i'm looking to do |
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| 15:07.41 | asg | m4lu6: read the link to the Oreilly Hacks example |
| 15:07.45 | asg | m4lu6: it's debian specific |
| 15:07.50 | m4lu6 | Groovy |
| 15:07.51 | jetdotnet | if it wasn't for windows, who would we bill? |
| 15:08.18 | asg | jetdotnet: jobs |
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| 15:09.28 | jetdotnet | mcpaycheck |
| 15:11.14 | incorrect | does anyone know how to find ntpd to an ip |
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| 15:11.47 | Pythos | IM trying to make a transparent proxy with this 'the best of all distros' Debian 'sarge' Im wondering if there are any persons here who might help me understand some of the nuances. Thanks. |
| 15:11.47 | tarzeau | do we have http://xmlindent.sourceforge.net/ packaged? |
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| 15:12.18 | tarzeau | Pythos: proxy for what? salads? |
| 15:12.28 | jesperj | is there a package that provides the app "wineboot"? |
| 15:12.49 | Pythos | tarzeau: heheh, yer the funniest person I have met in the last minute |
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| 15:13.10 | Pythos | transparent web proxy |
| 15:13.15 | asg | tarzeau: I don't see an ITP so I guess not. |
| 15:13.21 | nkuttler | jesperj: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:13.50 | nkuttler | Pythos: google for the howto |
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| 15:14.17 | Pythos | nkuttler: I have read thru a few. Yes, I like Google |
| 15:14.30 | Tribat | hey what was that apt manager for X |
| 15:14.34 | Tribat | not aptitude |
| 15:14.50 | asg | Tribat: synatpic |
| 15:14.51 | Pythos | nkuttler: actually, Im wondering about IPMASQ. Do I use the package, or not. |
| 15:14.54 | Tribat | k thx |
| 15:14.58 | asg | s/tp/pt/ |
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| 15:15.33 | jesperj | ty |
| 15:15.50 | nkuttler | Pythos: no need for it. i don't even know it... |
| 15:16.23 | Pythos | nkuttler: Hmm, ok.. it just looks like it from the kernel configs |
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| 15:17.05 | Pythos | nkuttler: but I didn't see it mentioned one way or the other so I was blindly trying to figure out if it was needed or not. |
| 15:17.53 | nkuttler | Pythos: did you read the masquerading howto? |
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| 15:18.02 | Pythos | nkuttler: its been a while |
| 15:18.22 | Pythos | nkuttler: but what I want is squid transparent proxy. I can get masq up easily |
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| 15:19.00 | nkuttler | Pythos: something like iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
| 15:19.43 | Pythos | FrankyFourFinger: ya, looking at that page in the howto now. |
| 15:19.47 | Pythos | erp |
| 15:19.58 | Pythos | that was supposed to be 'nku:" |
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| 15:21.25 | Pythos | nkuttler: the biggest challange I have is figureing out IF the debian kernela-image-2.4.27-whatever has the kernel options called for in the squid howto ... Ideas? |
| 15:21.43 | incorrect | anyone know of a good kerberos howto? |
| 15:21.49 | asg | Pythos: look at /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:22.01 | dogwater | Does anyone know if there is a package that provides ezmlm |
| 15:22.16 | Pythos | asg: k thnx |
| 15:22.19 | asg | dogwater: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:22.49 | dogwater | It wont compile |
| 15:22.52 | dogwater | on debian |
| 15:22.56 | Qiang | hello, i am invoking firefox on a remote machine through ssh -X, however, it opens up my local copy of the firefox. i tried with xterm etc and it opened the remote app. what's happening here? local and remote are both debian. |
| 15:22.57 | dogwater | every other dist it compiles fine |
| 15:23.01 | dogwater | go figure |
| 15:23.10 | asg | !info ezmlm-src |
| 15:23.16 | bob2 | Qiang: use the binary directly |
| 15:23.18 | dpkg | ezmlm-src: (easy-to-use high-speed mailing list manager for qmail (source)), section non-free/mail, is optional. Version: 0.53-11 (sid), Packaged size: 629 kB, Installed size: 657 kB |
| 15:23.24 | bob2 | Qiang: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/ or watever |
| 15:23.42 | dogwater | os that for sarge? |
| 15:23.47 | dogwater | err is that for sarge? |
| 15:23.52 | asg | !info ezmlm-src sarge |
| 15:23.54 | dpkg | ezmlm-src: (easy-to-use high-speed mailing list manager for qmail (source)), section non-free/mail, is optional. Version: 0.53-11 (sarge), Packaged size: 629 kB, Installed size: 657 kB |
| 15:24.13 | dogwater | hmm when I do apt-cache search ezmlm it doesnt come up |
| 15:24.25 | asg | dogwater: you need non-free in your sources |
| 15:24.26 | greycat | dogwater: non-free |
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| 15:25.05 | dogwater | any clue how to add that? |
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| 15:25.19 | Qiang | bob2: oh.. thanks. you reminded me that there is a firefox-bin binary file too. that works. (wondering what the firefox binary is for..) |
| 15:25.20 | jetdotnet | edit |
| 15:25.29 | jetdotnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.39 | jetdotnet | !contrib |
| 15:25.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
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| 15:26.11 | asg | c |
| 15:26.14 | asg | grr |
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| 15:26.46 | asg | dogwater: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 15:27.17 | IDC | hmm |
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| 15:28.34 | IDC | I have a question please |
| 15:28.43 | asg | !ask |
| 15:28.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 15:29.29 | IDC | Why i have to run 'source ~/.bashrc' to keep the changes been made in ~/.bashrc working every time if i change to another window style in wmaker ? |
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| 15:29.54 | IDC | I mean,if i do not run that,the changes made in ~/.bashrc will not work a new style that i have never tried |
| 15:30.02 | asg | IDC: have ~/.bash_profile source it (uncomment the relevant bits) |
| 15:30.11 | dogwater | deb-src ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 15:30.13 | greycat | !wikifaq IDC DotFiles |
| 15:30.15 | dpkg | IDC: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:30.18 | dogwater | I have that.. any clue why its not offering it? |
| 15:30.22 | IDC | is there a way that i do it only once that i do not have to run it anymore in either 'style' ? |
| 15:30.23 | greycat | dogwater: apt-get update |
| 15:30.27 | dogwater | did that |
| 15:30.38 | greycat | !find ezmlm sarge |
| 15:30.40 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ezmlm' (3): ezmlm-browse ;; ezmlm-src ;; xezmlm. |
| 15:30.50 | greycat | dogwater: try http.us.debian.org |
| 15:31.07 | jetdotnet | try logging out |
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| 15:31.49 | IDC | asg, you mean 'source ~/.bash_profile' ? |
| 15:32.21 | asg | IDC: no, I mean look in the file ~/.bash_profile and uncomment the bits about ~/.bashrc |
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| 15:32.30 | asg | IDC: and see the wikifaq greycat mentioned above. |
| 15:32.42 | asg | hmmm, looks like ezmlm was orphaned |
| 15:32.45 | IDC | let me check |
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| 15:34.44 | drivamgr2005 | debian sux |
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| 15:35.50 | dogwater | I wish i could just update ezmlm binary |
| 15:35.53 | dogwater | err install the binary |
| 15:35.58 | dogwater | I hate messin with that guy's software |
| 15:36.14 | asg | dogwater: what error did you get compiling it on Debian? |
| 15:36.26 | greycat | if it's errno, see /topic #qmail |
| 15:36.27 | asg | dogwater: djb's software is the easiest stuff in the world to compile |
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| 15:36.59 | dogwater | and the crappiest to configure |
| 15:37.07 | greycat | then why are you using it? |
| 15:37.10 | asg | dogwater: then use something else |
| 15:37.17 | dogwater | Because its what they requested for some god awful reason |
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| 15:37.46 | IDC | worked,thank you :) |
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| 15:38.27 | naddar | how can i add this ftp in my sources.list |
| 15:38.38 | naddar | http://ftp2.de.freesbie.org/mirror/mplayer/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ |
| 15:38.42 | naddar | i use sarge |
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| 15:39.07 | asg | naddar: then you probably don't want to since that is an unstable repository |
| 15:39.15 | naddar | hmm |
| 15:39.25 | naddar | what it have to be test |
| 15:39.44 | asg | naddar: oh, it might work. There is no guarantee that it won't screw up your system completely. |
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| 15:39.52 | mutilator | anyone used freeradius know how to log the nas shortname to the sql database too? |
| 15:39.57 | asg | naddar: /msg dpkg mplayer (for other alternatives.) |
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| 15:41.46 | IDC | I use mlterm ,got mlterm-tool ,setup mlterm as much as i want ,but if close it,reopen it,all go back to default .hmm |
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| 15:44.36 | jetdotnet | maybe your user doesn't have the correct permissions |
| 15:44.43 | shingouz | Right... If lsusb prints out ID 0471:0ca1 do I put it in /etc/usbmgr/usbmng.conf as 0x0471 0x0ca1 or 0x471 0xca1? |
| 15:45.18 | shingouz | ..and no, hotplug is not an option |
| 15:45.41 | madclicker | need help with horde3 and debian(sarge) |
| 15:45.44 | jetdotnet | at least not much of one eh |
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| 15:45.59 | jetdotnet | did they fix those security holes in horde? (that help?) |
| 15:45.59 | madclicker | can you help a brother? |
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| 15:46.12 | shingouz | jetdotnet: Talking to me? hotplug screws up my sound configuration to hell and back |
| 15:46.19 | mxn | Any bleeding-edge sid users notice any massively dirty bugs ATM? :-) |
| 15:46.25 | jetdotnet | yes hotplug isn't much of an option |
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| 15:46.44 | shingouz | mxn: Just doing an upgrade and I havent seen any massive bugs on Sid |
| 15:47.08 | jetdotnet | some theme in gnome is borked iirc, might be fixed by now |
| 15:47.15 | mxn | shingouz: As long as the system survives... |
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| 15:47.28 | shingouz | mxn: Mine seems to survive |
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| 15:47.54 | mxn | Cheers. |
| 15:48.08 | shingouz | mxn: I'll toast to that |
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| 15:48.49 | tarzeau | !tr is also http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 15:48.49 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 15:48.52 | dogwater | gah |
| 15:48.56 | naddar | asg there |
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| 15:49.02 | dogwater | it requires the qmail package |
| 15:49.07 | dogwater | i installed qmail from source |
| 15:49.08 | dogwater | damnit |
| 15:49.11 | wzrdf | hi, anyone can lead me on how to get kernel 2.4 on debian stable? |
| 15:49.14 | greycat | !depends ezmlm-src sarge |
| 15:49.15 | dpkg | ezmlm-src: depends on dpkg-dev (>= 1.4.0.20), patch (>= 2.5-0bo1), fakeroot | sudo, gcc, make |
| 15:49.29 | greycat | dogwater: so edit the dependencies. |
| 15:49.40 | shingouz | wzrdf: apt-get install kernel-image-foo.bar.deb |
| 15:49.51 | shingouz | well... kernel-image-foo.bar really |
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| 15:50.07 | dogwater | all im trying to do is install qmailadmin |
| 15:50.08 | dogwater | really |
| 15:50.25 | jetdotnet | apt-cache search kernel-image, pick one, apt-get install it |
| 15:50.33 | wzrdf | well i did |
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| 15:50.41 | dogwater | ezmlm-manage.c: In function `main': |
| 15:50.41 | dogwater | ezmlm-manage.c:320: error: incompatible type for argument 1 of `log' |
| 15:50.41 | dogwater | ezmlm-manage.c:320: error: too many arguments to function `log' |
| 15:50.42 | wzrdf | and now all network interfaces dont come up |
| 15:50.44 | shingouz | wzrdf: And? |
| 15:50.48 | dogwater | thats what i get when i compile from src |
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| 15:51.07 | shingouz | wzrdf: What card you have there and did you go from a 2.2 to 2.4 then? |
| 15:51.07 | smhar | hi |
| 15:51.17 | naddar | can i imort a package.gz in a way? |
| 15:51.23 | naddar | imporet |
| 15:51.25 | naddar | import |
| 15:51.29 | shingouz | naddar: Huh? |
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| 15:51.42 | wzrdf | yes, from a fresh installation with 2.2 to 2.4 |
| 15:51.45 | wzrdf | its a realtek |
| 15:51.59 | greycat | dogwater: #qmail |
| 15:52.05 | shingouz | naddar: You mean install from source? Don't, use apt-get. And do not message me, keep the techiestuff in the channel |
| 15:52.09 | ivoks | hi |
| 15:52.36 | naddar | ok |
| 15:52.42 | naddar | shingouz: http://ftp2.de.freesbie.org/mirror/mplayer/dists/ |
| 15:52.42 | shingouz | wzrdf: What is it, a fresh install of debian or an upgrade? |
| 15:52.53 | naddar | whit oif those i have to add to my sources i use sarge |
| 15:52.55 | shingouz | naddar: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:53.08 | naddar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.23 | jetdotnet | wzrdf: realtek may use 8139too if that helps |
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| 15:53.32 | shingouz | Lose the space infront of the / ... naddar |
| 15:53.36 | jetdotnet | ^^ |
| 15:53.44 | wzrdf | yes, i just did a fresh install of debian woody, and had a 2.2 kernel, so i just apt-get'd a 2.4 |
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| 15:53.52 | shingouz | naddar: Did dpkg tell you something already? |
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| 15:54.23 | shingouz | !tell wzrdf about realtek |
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| 15:54.31 | jetdotnet | wzrdf: you need to add initrd=initrd.img to the appropriate stanza in lilo.conf and run lilo after if that helps |
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| 15:55.12 | smhar | I want to use the mic with debian sarge. I used krec, I can record but I hear nothing |
| 15:55.15 | wzrdf | jetdotnet: did that |
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| 15:55.37 | Gianmaria | hi guys, I can't start tftpd deamon, /var/log/daemons.log says address in use what's that please? |
| 15:55.38 | jetdotnet | k. might help if you spelled out exactly what the problem is though |
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| 15:55.49 | shingouz | smhar: Check the permissions on the microphone and if you are not in the audio group, add yourself there and logout/login. Try again :) |
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| 15:56.21 | shingouz | wzrdf: lsmod and check if you have the appropriate module inserted |
| 15:56.28 | naddar | thanks shingouz |
| 15:56.38 | shingouz | naddar: Works already? |
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| 15:56.50 | noobTim | hi how do i use grep to fine me the exact expresion like 1:13 i tryed grep '1:13' but doesn't work ??? |
| 15:57.03 | cahoot | smhar: enabled capture for the mic? |
| 15:57.13 | zinx | noobTim: grep '1:13' |
| 15:57.14 | mutilator | \: |
| 15:57.17 | naddar | shingouz: i gues yeah |
| 15:57.22 | zinx | noobTim: or describe your problem better ;) |
| 15:57.38 | smhar | cahoot, this is the first time for me using the mic.. how to do that? |
| 15:57.38 | zinx | noobTim: is it giving too much, too little; what line are you trying to match? |
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| 15:57.46 | noobTim | i what to match the exacly strih ex: 1:13 |
| 15:57.50 | juanmals | does anybody know how to disable gpg checking in apt-get |
| 15:57.53 | ralf | why don't use fgrep or grep -f? |
| 15:58.08 | shingouz | naddar: And no compiles either. Before you have an anxiety attack, read through the mplayer man page, there are about a shitload of different options |
| 15:58.15 | Gianmaria | I have a problem in starting tftpd cause it says address already in use what's this please? |
| 15:58.28 | naddar | shingouz: thanks so much waaaw it works fuckking fine |
| 15:58.29 | asg | Gianmaria: use fuser or lsof to find what is bound to port 21 |
| 15:58.31 | zinx | noobTim: grep 1:13 matches that; you'll have to tell *HOW* it's not working. |
| 15:58.31 | shingouz | juanmals: That is a Bad Idea (tm) |
| 15:58.37 | shingouz | naddar: :D |
| 15:58.40 | cahoot | smhar: run alsamixer - hit F5 |
| 15:59.03 | Gianmaria | asq:actually tfpd uses port 69... |
| 15:59.09 | juanmals | shingouz, I know, anyway do u know how to do that |
| 15:59.47 | madclicker | can anyone tell me why does dovecot trying to create .imap folder when i configured it to use pop? |
| 15:59.48 | noobTim | zinx i'm trying to match this line 1:13 and if grep '1\:13' vali |
| 15:59.48 | noobTim | 1 1:13 |
| 15:59.48 | noobTim | 3 1:133 |
| 15:59.48 | shingouz | juanmals: Have you gone trhough the apt manuals? Personally I have no idea how to disable the gpg :( |
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| 16:00.12 | zinx | noobTim: not 1\:13, 1:13 |
| 16:00.17 | smhar | cahoot, did that and still the same |
| 16:00.18 | asg | noobTim: if 1:13 is surrounded by whitespace, egrep '\bfoo\b' /file should work |
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| 16:00.28 | noobTim | i tryed even 1:13 |
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| 16:00.33 | noobTim | but doesn't work |
| 16:00.37 | zinx | noobTim: are you trying to not match the second line? |
| 16:00.46 | noobTim | yes |
| 16:00.52 | zinx | then please say so in the future |
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| 16:01.09 | zinx | if it's always at the end of the line, you can use $: '1:13$' |
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| 16:01.15 | smhar | shingouz, where is the microphone? it is not in /dev/mic and how to check if I am in audio group |
| 16:01.21 | noobTim | k thz |
| 16:01.23 | zinx | if it's not; asg's suggestion will probably work |
| 16:01.35 | zinx | not sure if grep considers newline whitespace, but it probably does |
| 16:01.40 | shingouz | smhar: /dev/dsp* usually and man groups |
| 16:01.51 | zinx | also, you may try grep -w 1:13 |
| 16:02.20 | Gianmaria | anyone figures out why starting tftpd gets an "address already in use" response? Thanks very much |
| 16:02.21 | smhar | shingouz, cahoot, btw.. the speaker and headphones are ok.. I can hear all the system sounds |
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| 16:02.36 | dfzi | where can i see what deb-packages have i installed? |
| 16:02.40 | asg | Gianmaria: fuser -v 21/tcp (find out what process is listening on 21) |
| 16:02.48 | shingouz | smhar: I get the feeling that you do not have the mic capture on |
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| 16:03.00 | jetdotnet | id in console |
| 16:03.03 | smhar | shingouz, so? |
| 16:03.10 | IDC | Are you all use TFT monitor ? i mean,since i have been seeing most of you are always staying at your computer,with a CRT will that damage to your eyes somehow ? |
| 16:03.34 | shingouz | smhar: Welll.. if you want to have the microphone working you need to enable mic capture with your favorite mixer |
| 16:03.35 | smhar | shingouz, /dev/dsp is rw-rw---- root audio |
| 16:03.41 | greycat | IDC: you should take a break every hour or so. get up, get a drink of water, etc. |
| 16:03.41 | Gianmaria | asg:why 21/tcp if trivial ftp uses 69? |
| 16:03.44 | madclicker | anyone using dovecot? |
| 16:03.51 | shingouz | smhar: And are you in audio? |
| 16:03.52 | vaidhy | I have been trying to install sarge and I get package.gz and package is corrupt... |
| 16:03.55 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 16:03.56 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:04.02 | jetdotnet | i have 550/500 eyes, what's left to hurt |
| 16:04.03 | cahoot | smhar: the mic is plugged into correct jack? |
| 16:04.04 | greycat | vaidhy: try a different mirror |
| 16:04.06 | asg | Gianmaria: sorry, s/21/69/ s/tcp/udp/ |
| 16:04.07 | IDC | I see |
| 16:04.17 | vaidhy | greycat: Tried it .. did not work.. |
| 16:04.26 | vaidhy | even ftp.debian.org did not work |
| 16:04.29 | greycat | !didn't work |
| 16:04.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 16:04.44 | Pythos | anyone using SATA drives with a stock debian kernel image of the version 2.6.x ? |
| 16:04.45 | Gianmaria | asg: another message is cant bound to non-socket... |
| 16:04.56 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 16:04.56 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:05.01 | vaidhy | greycat: Can you look at the context....? |
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| 16:05.08 | smhar | shingouz, yes, I am in audio |
| 16:05.08 | Pythos | sorry GC |
| 16:05.14 | greycat | *what* context? |
| 16:05.21 | greycat | 12:03 vaidhy> I have been trying to install sarge and I get package.gz and |
| 16:05.21 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.24 | greycat | that's not fucking context. |
| 16:05.32 | colde89 | why cold i not reach a debian-pc from win-nt, a second debian-pc cold alredy be reacht from the windows-nt-explorer. ping works |
| 16:05.32 | shingouz | smhar: Then you need to check if you have the mic capture enabled. Use your favorite mixer |
| 16:05.39 | vaidhy | Ok.. sorry... |
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| 16:05.42 | bdlug66 | hello |
| 16:05.46 | bdlug66 | i need help |
| 16:05.52 | shingouz | !ask |
| 16:05.52 | bdlug66 | i am in danger |
| 16:05.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 16:05.57 | vaidhy | installer claims that the package and package.gz files are corrupt |
| 16:06.00 | asg | bdlug66: call the cops |
| 16:06.04 | greycat | context would be "I downloaded http://blahblah/sarge-i386-foobar.iso and burned it to a CD-RW and booted by Pentium III laptop (Dell Inspiron 666) with it, and it says ``.....'' when it gets to the blahblah screen" |
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| 16:06.09 | Pythos | Im having trouble getting 4 boxen with SATA drives to boot any of the 2.6.X kernel-image's, but the one system tha tuses EIDE drives has no difficulty <all the same MB's> |
| 16:06.12 | bdlug66 | ? is the default perfission of /bin/mount and /bin/umount |
| 16:06.17 | shingouz | bdlug66: Or rm -fr Danger ;) |
| 16:06.24 | vaidhy | I tried changing mirrors but, it does not seem to change the error message |
| 16:06.35 | asg | bdlug66: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 68440 2005-03-22 09:22 /bin/mount |
| 16:06.45 | bdlug66 | ok |
| 16:07.06 | hingwah | dfzi: dselect ,aptitude, dpkg --get-selections ,etc. |
| 16:07.06 | shingouz | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 40920 2005-03-22 16:22 /bin/umount bdlug66 |
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| 16:07.50 | bdlug66 | ? should i give chmod 6844 /bin/mount |
| 16:08.01 | jetdotnet | no |
| 16:08.05 | shingouz | bdlug66: man chmod |
| 16:08.06 | bdlug66 | then :( |
| 16:08.11 | asg | bdlug66: octal doesn't have 8 |
| 16:08.12 | jetdotnet | try chmod +s /bin/mount |
| 16:08.16 | vaidhy | Where can I find the latest sarge ISO (working install) |
| 16:08.18 | bdlug66 | ok |
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| 16:08.29 | shingouz | !tell vaidhy about d-i |
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| 16:08.31 | naddar | anyone know why the message box and all are so small size in mplayer |
| 16:08.34 | naddar | can't read it |
| 16:08.41 | slashzul | is there a debian like distro for a thumbdrive? |
| 16:08.45 | asg | bdlug66: and if you don't need lusers to be able to mount filesystems, you don't need the suid bit |
| 16:08.53 | shingouz | naddar: Isnt there some config option in mplayer? |
| 16:08.56 | asg | slashzul: debian itself can be installed on thumb drives. |
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| 16:09.09 | smhar | slashzul, you mean dsl? |
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| 16:09.22 | shingouz | DSL is NOT Debian |
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| 16:09.42 | shingouz | And do not say it is based on Debian... |
| 16:09.45 | naddar | where are the fonts stored |
| 16:10.00 | slashzul | im trying to boot linux on any workstation booting from a thumbdrive |
| 16:10.03 | ivoks | why do u hate debian based distros? :) |
| 16:10.20 | smhar | shingouz, do I have to reboot or logout/login for the effect |
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| 16:10.31 | greycat | same reason we hate people who can't spell "you". |
| 16:10.39 | shingouz | ivoks: We do not hate them, it is just impossible to support them as they have usually been hacked to hell already |
| 16:10.42 | ivoks | :) |
| 16:10.55 | ivoks | shingouz i agree with that argument |
| 16:11.03 | Pythos | was only hoping to hear someone say "I have SATA drives, and I got kernel-image-2.6.XX-2-K7 working" |
| 16:11.08 | shingouz | smhar: For what effect? You just need to logout/login to get into your new gropus |
| 16:11.13 | slashzul | something akin to www.metropipe.net , a single boot up linux distro that runs from a thumbdrive |
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| 16:11.40 | ivoks | Pythos SATA works with 2.6.x :) |
| 16:11.53 | shingouz | slashzul: I am risking flames here but try DSL, maybe that one fits your needs unless you want to install debian on a flash |
| 16:11.54 | Pythos | ivoks, debian kernel-image ? |
| 16:11.56 | ivoks | Pythos and I got it working :) |
| 16:12.04 | ivoks | Pythos yes |
| 16:12.06 | syb | Hi helpful happy Debian ppls! |
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| 16:12.17 | asg | slashzul: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s01.html#usb-boot |
| 16:12.20 | bdlug66 | now root can mount and umount |
| 16:12.25 | bdlug66 | but how to enable for user |
| 16:12.26 | shingouz | syb: hehehe... Hi to you too |
| 16:12.27 | slashzul | thats it! DSL linux |
| 16:12.29 | ivoks | Pythos what controller do YOU (for thoose that hate "u" :) have? |
| 16:12.32 | slashzul | thast what im looking for! |
| 16:12.33 | slashzul | thanks |
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| 16:12.47 | shingouz | slashzul: Damn Small Linux is the full name |
| 16:12.50 | Pythos | ivoks: its a SiS 755 |
| 16:12.55 | slashzul | DSL is not DEBIAN but DEBIAN doesnt work anyway |
| 16:12.55 | smcavoy | does anyone know of a way to build a kernel module package? I've got a newer driver I need to setup, but only need it on new systems, my old systems are fine as is. I'd just like to keep using the current kernel. |
| 16:13.01 | Gianmaria | hi there, anyone knows what could be the problem when starting in.tftpd and getting address already in use? thanks in advance... |
| 16:13.08 | syb | Is anyone else here paranoid enough to have tried a recent installation of Debian Sarge as a "Root-on-LVM-on-SoftwareRaid" setup? |
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| 16:13.16 | ivoks | Pythos wait, i need to check out... |
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| 16:13.46 | greycat | how would that make you "paranoid"? |
| 16:13.46 | Pythos | ivoks: deal is, I have a stock kernel-image-2.4.27 working now, but when I try to use the 2.6.8 image(s) they won't boot |
| 16:13.46 | greycat | perhaps you meant "crazy" |
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| 16:13.48 | shingouz | syb: Nope. I like herdware raid personally |
| 16:14.01 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.04 | shingouz | uh.. hardware that is |
| 16:14.06 | ivoks | Pythos and it stops where? |
| 16:14.07 | smhar | shingouz, I didn't change the groups, I was in audio group, and /dev/dsp is owned by root and group audio, and I checked alsamixer and pressed F5 and I still cannot record anything |
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| 16:14.19 | asg | Gianmaria: does netstat -nul show another tftpd listening? |
| 16:14.23 | smcavoy | syb: I did lvm on top of raid 1 for everything on a test system |
| 16:14.25 | ivoks | Pythos AFAIK, on 2.4 discs are called hda, hdb, but on 2.6 they are sda, sdb |
| 16:14.32 | smcavoy | syb: It worked like a charm |
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| 16:14.40 | Pythos | ivoks: hmm, le tme write it down this time |
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| 16:14.44 | ico2 | hi |
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| 16:14.54 | ico2 | is there a debian package for libdvdcss? |
| 16:14.57 | lin_new | what is APPLICATION PROXY |
| 16:14.58 | shingouz | smhar: Hmmm... is the microphone in working condition in the first place? I just had to go get myself a new headset when the older mic just went south |
| 16:15.01 | cahoot | smhar: you need check the settings in alsamixer too |
| 16:15.20 | shingouz | ico2: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 16:15.33 | ivoks | Pythos where does booting stops? |
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| 16:15.36 | EdibleText | lin_new, my guess is marketing-speak ;) |
| 16:15.36 | syb | greycat: I was going to say crazy, but since LVM is for flexibility (and apparently using 'Snapshots' should make hot-backup easier), and RAID (1) is for data safety == I'm being Paranoid that my new server won't crash and destroy EVERYTHING like the last one did after i'd spent many hours setting it up. |
| 16:15.43 | cahoot | smhar: btw it's F4 that displays onle the capture controls - my bad |
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| 16:16.20 | asg | lin_new: fucking google it |
| 16:16.20 | ico2 | THANKS |
| 16:16.20 | ico2 | cya |
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| 16:16.20 | greycat | syb: *software* raid isn't for data safety. |
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| 16:16.27 | greycat | software raid is all about marketing |
| 16:16.38 | zinx | greycat: eh? depends on which level you use |
| 16:16.50 | zinx | greycat: you think hardware is somehow magically protected against failure? |
| 16:16.51 | shingouz | Software raid is just another leech on the cpu |
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| 16:17.01 | lin_new | asg: fucking google give 100000 seacrh |
| 16:17.13 | dli | someone recommend a wireless monitor in gnome? |
| 16:17.18 | shingouz | lin_new: You need to learn some google-fu |
| 16:17.18 | syb | smcavoy: I've tried an installation but *definitely* did something wrong during the Install (from CD's built yesterday)... ended up with an empty /etc/fstab!!! "UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM". |
| 16:17.30 | greycat | lin_new: start readin'. |
| 16:17.49 | shingouz | syb: vi /etc/fstab and start writing ;) |
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| 16:18.29 | smcavoy | syb: I did an install with sarge rc2 without issue on an IDE system |
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| 16:18.53 | syb | greycat, shingouz: Yes, ofcourse it chews CPU, but i hope that linux's software RAID-1 support is good enough that the mirroring of data to two HDD == 1/2 the likelyhood of *all* of my system going down. |
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| 16:20.08 | ico2 | Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Release |
| 16:20.08 | ico2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.29 | smhar | shingouz, mic is working with winXP in wife's computer |
| 16:20.33 | syb | shingouz: Yes, I thought that would be enough too! (writing my own /etc/fstab) But actually... *no* :-( I can't install a new kernel now because mkinitrd complains that my LVM volume for Root "/dev/mapper/vg00/root / xfs defaults 0 0" is "not a block device"! :-( |
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| 16:20.58 | greycat | ico2: try again later. |
| 16:20.59 | smhar | cahoot, ok alsamixer, then F4, then? |
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| 16:21.06 | ico2 | ok |
| 16:21.11 | ico2 | thanks |
| 16:21.11 | simonrvn | ico2: stop using that download accelerator :P |
| 16:21.26 | ico2 | LOL |
| 16:21.44 | ico2 | actually, a download accellerator for apt, sounds like a nice idea |
| 16:21.56 | ivoks | ? |
| 16:22.01 | simonrvn | it doesn't actually |
| 16:22.12 | syb | smcavoy: ok mate. thanks for the re-assurance that it *did* work for someone else. Sarge has a 2nd release candidate? Hmm, i should read debian.org more often... /me goes looking |
| 16:22.16 | ivoks | can it get any faster than local mirror? |
| 16:22.18 | greycat | !stop prozilla |
| 16:22.19 | dpkg | i guess stop prozilla is http://dominia.org/djao/limitipconn.html -- an apache module to limit concurrent connections from a single IP address, or apt-get install libapache-mod-limitipconn |
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| 16:22.28 | cahoot | smhar: change/check the levels using the arrow keys |
| 16:22.46 | ivoks | WeirdAl u didn't install fglrx opengl driver |
| 16:22.52 | JLogik | anyone good at bash scripting |
| 16:22.54 | ivoks | doh.. sorry... wrong channel |
| 16:22.58 | asg | JLogik: #bash |
| 16:23.16 | JLogik | noone is there |
| 16:23.19 | JLogik | i need help now |
| 16:23.21 | greycat | asg: he asked there first. But he didn't *ask* ask, if you know what I mean. |
| 16:23.31 | greycat | JLogik: SO FUCKING ASK A REAL QUESTION! |
| 16:23.35 | asg | greycat: ah, so now he's in here bothering us |
| 16:23.41 | procrastinator | What is the dpkg equivalent to rpm -ql? |
| 16:23.43 | greycat | 12:17 JLogik|#bash> anyone a really good scripter? |
| 16:23.47 | greycat | 12:22 JLogik> anyone good at bash scripting |
| 16:23.54 | bob2 | procrastinator: best to actually tell us what that does |
| 16:23.55 | greycat | procrastinator: dpkg- l |
| 16:23.57 | greycat | oops. |
| 16:23.58 | JLogik | uhh shut up |
| 16:24.00 | greycat | procrastinator: dpkg -l |
| 16:24.03 | JLogik | im leaving geez |
| 16:24.09 | procrastinator | thanks |
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| 16:24.16 | syb | smcavoy: Because it "just worked" for you, I think I should just do a re-install and be more careful during the Partitioning bphase. (Oh, and *NOT* use XFS for the '/' filesystem because 2.6.8 has some serious bug) |
| 16:24.24 | asg | JLogik: you can stay just ask a real question. |
| 16:24.28 | zinx | !tell Jlogik about anyone |
| 16:24.28 | greg_work | is there a way to block an IP after it fails ssh authentication x times? i know there ARE pam modules, but any in apt or as .deb packages? |
| 16:24.31 | smhar | cahoot, arrow keys change nothing, but I am at 100<>100 in the mic capture already |
| 16:24.45 | JLogik | i asked |
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| 16:25.03 | syb | procrastinator: I recommend you also look into installing the "dlocate" package and read about it. Very useful _fast_ way of finding all files belonging to a package. |
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| 16:25.09 | greycat | JLogik: no, you twit, you did not. |
| 16:25.11 | greycat | 12:23 JLogik|#bash> i need help with a script |
| 16:25.16 | greycat | THAT IS NOT A QUESTION THAT WE CAN ANSWER> |
| 16:25.17 | EdibleText | JLogik, anyone is the uber leet script0r. |
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| 16:25.25 | JLogik | greycat: scroll window fool |
| 16:25.27 | greycat | !tell JLogik about ask |
| 16:25.27 | procrastinator | syb: Ok. |
| 16:25.30 | greycat | !tell JLogik about smart questions |
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| 16:25.37 | EdibleText | JLogik, but he rarly just gives knowlege away |
| 16:25.56 | bob2 | JLogik: you still haven't asked a useful question |
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| 16:26.04 | JLogik | uhh yes i did |
| 16:26.04 | veleno | is it possible to know how many times a given keyword has been used in a google search query ? |
| 16:26.08 | bob2 | JLogik: if you want help with bash scripting, explain what you're trying to do |
| 16:26.11 | greycat | JLogik: where? |
| 16:26.15 | bob2 | JLogik: no, you asked a stupid question |
| 16:26.19 | Pythos | ivoks: ok, here is the boot situation: trying to boot to a stock 2.6.8 kernel it goes thru the 'using anticipitory io scheduler' then shows the drive info, etc. then states that the drive is SCSI device sda blah, then it gets stuck at: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:<3> ata1 cp,,amd 0xc8 timeout, stat 0x50 host_stat 0x24 |
| 16:26.22 | bob2 | 02:22:53 JLogik | anyone good at bash scripting |
| 16:26.26 | JLogik | i have a file |
| 16:26.28 | bob2 | that is not useful or smart |
| 16:26.33 | JLogik | its delimited by colons |
| 16:26.36 | Pythos | then it kind of remarks 'p1 p2 p3 p4' and wont go no further |
| 16:26.54 | JLogik | i need to get the last two fields in each line then make a directory from those |
| 16:27.08 | bob2 | finally |
| 16:27.10 | asg | JLogik: are the number of fields constant? |
| 16:27.12 | bob2 | that wasn't so hard, was it? |
| 16:27.16 | JLogik | but i have to concat the fields with a dash inbetween |
| 16:27.23 | simonrvn | ah, beautiful, progress |
| 16:27.28 | jharrisonwk | what is super cow powers in aptitude? |
| 16:27.30 | ivoks | Pythos that doesn't have sense |
| 16:27.34 | streuner | simonrvn: hehe |
| 16:27.38 | greycat | JLogik: mkdir $(awk -F: '{x=NF-1; print $x " " $NF}') or so. |
| 16:27.41 | jharrisonwk | and why does aptitude not have the super cow powers |
| 16:27.44 | syb | jharrisonwk: kindof an in-joke. |
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| 16:27.49 | ivoks | Pythos it doesn't output "Unable to mount /" or something like that? |
| 16:27.52 | greycat | JLogik: now see what happens when you don't put your question all on one line? |
| 16:27.59 | jharrisonwk | can we have a version of aptitude that DOES have super cow powers? |
| 16:28.00 | greycat | JLogik: you get an answer to the FIRST HALF of the question. |
| 16:28.09 | ivoks | Pythos that kernel supports ur SATA, couse it finds discs |
| 16:28.09 | Pythos | no |
| 16:28.12 | greycat | jharrisonwk: apt-get moo |
| 16:28.15 | cahoot | smhar: grep -i mic /proc/asound/pcm |
| 16:28.19 | simonrvn | ptitude moo |
| 16:28.19 | jharrisonwk | greycat: :-P |
| 16:28.19 | simonrvn | There are no Easter Eggs in this program. |
| 16:28.21 | simonrvn | a+ |
| 16:28.37 | Pythos | ivoks: the no was to the unable bit |
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| 16:28.47 | ivoks | Pythos what is ur / partition? |
| 16:28.48 | JLogik | there are multiple lines |
| 16:29.03 | Pythos | ivoks /dev/sda2 |
| 16:29.13 | greycat | JLogik: so adapt what I already gave you. |
| 16:29.13 | JLogik | so i need to get one line at a time |
| 16:29.22 | streuner | jharrisonwk: nicke pictures you have there at the bahamas :-) |
| 16:29.27 | smhar | cahoot, that produces nothing, even as root |
| 16:29.40 | stew | JLogik: use xargs |
| 16:29.42 | greycat | JLogik: combine it with what nmarvin@#bash just said. |
| 16:29.49 | ivoks | Pythos on 2.4 kernel?! |
| 16:29.49 | greycat | oops, he's nnmarvin today. |
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| 16:30.09 | jharrisonwk | streuner: where? |
| 16:30.20 | Pythos | ivoks, its the same for both 2.4 kernel and 2.6 kernel |
| 16:30.25 | JLogik | this is format john:smith:jsmith:csc110:01 |
| 16:30.26 | streuner | jharrisonwk: stored somewhere at foo.edu |
| 16:30.43 | ivoks | Pythos i don't know... like I said, on Intel and 2.4 it's hda, but on 2.6 it's sda |
| 16:30.51 | greycat | JLogik: are there ALWAYS 5 fields? |
| 16:30.51 | zinx | JLogik: so you want that to make a directory named "csc110-01"? |
| 16:30.51 | Bullweivel | i have a debian box setup across the network... what would be the best method to copy the entire hard drive onto another box? i am upgrading the box and want everything that is on the original box on this box instead. The new box has raid so its not like i can just drop in the old hard drive... ideas??? |
| 16:30.57 | JLogik | now i need the last two fields concated with a dash and make a directory from each uniq |
| 16:30.58 | JLogik | yea |
| 16:31.05 | EdibleText | dpkg, ur |
| 16:31.06 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 16:31.07 | JLogik | but there are multiple clases |
| 16:31.09 | JLogik | and sections |
| 16:31.11 | PerfDave | Bullweivel: tar and netcat? |
| 16:31.15 | ivoks | Pythos so.. it finds partitions and than freezes? |
| 16:31.17 | Pythos | ivoks, im looking again |
| 16:31.18 | greycat | JLogik: while IFS=: read a b c d e; do echo mkdir "$d-$e"; done |
| 16:31.19 | JLogik | yes there are always 5 fields |
| 16:31.20 | jharrisonwk | streuner: ? |
| 16:31.25 | Pythos | ivoks I believe so |
| 16:31.34 | disasm | Bullweivel: rsync |
| 16:31.40 | streuner | jharrisonwk: well, i haven't the URL handy yet... |
| 16:32.10 | jharrisonwk | streuner: ok |
| 16:32.20 | IDC | few days ago it was 2.6.11.7 the lastest stable kernel,now its 2.6.11.8 ,hmmm |
| 16:32.29 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 16:32.29 | jharrisonwk | streuner: where are you? |
| 16:32.29 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 16:32.42 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 16:32.47 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.8, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc3, 2.4: 2.4.30, prepatch: 2.4.31-pre1, snapshot: 2.4.31-pre1-bk2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc3-mm2 |
| 16:32.52 | ivoks | IDC so? |
| 16:33.05 | ivoks | IDC .1, .2 ... .8 are development versions |
| 16:33.05 | Bullweivel | never heard of netcat... rsync can do that? I imagine rsynch can likely only handle certain directories right? not like i can make an image from one computer to another? (not like that would work anyways since one is using software raid and the other isnt |
| 16:33.36 | simonrvn | no, .11.x is .12 is going to be a stable one |
| 16:33.50 | ivoks | simonrvn yes |
| 16:33.56 | streuner | jharrisonwk: somebody who clicked the URL you posted here and find those pictures nice? |
| 16:33.58 | jetdotnet | lies |
| 16:34.06 | streuner | heh |
| 16:34.11 | ivoks | whole 2.6.11 is crapy |
| 16:34.12 | jharrisonwk | streuner: yes but where are you? |
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| 16:34.19 | IDC | £¿ |
| 16:34.23 | jetdotnet | !worship streuner |
| 16:34.25 | streuner | jharrisonwk: /whois streuner |
| 16:34.30 | Pythos | ivoks: on another identical box, I see this: |
| 16:34.33 | streuner | !be jetscreamer barbie |
| 16:34.33 | dpkg | It's HARD to say nothing! |
| 16:34.34 | jharrisonwk | I would use 2.4 but no support for my sata in 2.4 |
| 16:34.34 | jetdotnet | streuner is your god |
| 16:34.35 | Pythos | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.36 | jetdotnet | or a close facsimile thereof |
| 16:34.40 | simonrvn | luckily it's been stable here. though i might move back to 2.4 + patches |
| 16:34.49 | jharrisonwk | mmmm |
| 16:34.50 | jharrisonwk | .nu |
| 16:34.53 | jharrisonwk | what is that |
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| 16:34.58 | simonrvn | @nu |
| 16:35.01 | jetdotnet | it's nuspeek |
| 16:35.02 | Pythos | ivoks but the partition scheem is different.. and that is on a SATA drive with 2.4 kernel |
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| 16:35.05 | Longkong | hi |
| 16:35.06 | streuner | jharrisonwk: dyndns.org |
| 16:35.11 | IDC | 2.4.30 is the lastest stable realse in 2.4x ? |
| 16:35.14 | torbjorn | is there a way to tell which files reside on a given physical volume? |
| 16:35.23 | ivoks | Pythos u see... 2.4 marks SATA disks as hda |
| 16:35.24 | PerfDave | .nu is Niue, innit? |
| 16:35.38 | asg | nu: The {country code} for Niue. |
| 16:35.38 | asg | IDC: yes |
| 16:35.38 | streuner | jharrisonwk: somewhere near .au ;-) |
| 16:35.43 | jetdotnet | isn't that where nimue is from? |
| 16:35.46 | greycat | torbjorn: mount, ls |
| 16:35.48 | IDC | asg, i see |
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| 16:35.51 | jharrisonwk | streuner: Niue? |
| 16:35.51 | simonrvn | south pacific, near the date line |
| 16:35.54 | Pythos | ivoks Oh geez... that box has the IDe drive... sec |
| 16:35.55 | torbjorn | they arent mounted |
| 16:36.02 | torbjorn | they are part of a volume group |
| 16:36.02 | Longkong | do I have to write a new init script to run my iptables script, or is there a better way? |
| 16:36.10 | Pythos | ivoks and its a 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:36.17 | asg | Longkong: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.* |
| 16:36.26 | asg | c |
| 16:36.27 | simonrvn | Longkong: /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/ |
| 16:36.30 | ivoks | WeirdAl did u change XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf? |
| 16:36.38 | streuner | jharrisonwk: prolly, but don't give a damn about country-codes ;-) |
| 16:36.41 | Pythos | ivoks: /dev/sda4 3858236 920120 2742124 26% / |
| 16:36.49 | jharrisonwk | ok I give up |
| 16:36.50 | greycat | for the record, here was my *original* answer to his question, before he decided it would be a better idea to finish typing the question |
| 16:36.58 | Pythos | ivoks: Linux squidward 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Thu Jan 20 10:55:08 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:37.01 | betob__ | i need to know if somebody has experience in building a server (apache, postgres, php) with a netfinity 3000 |
| 16:37.01 | greycat | ECHAN |
| 16:37.06 | asg | hehe |
| 16:37.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:37.11 | streuner | jharrisonwk: they could sit everywhere... |
| 16:37.11 | ivoks | Pythos i don't know... |
| 16:37.18 | Pythos | ivoks Ok, thanks anyway |
| 16:37.22 | ivoks | Pythos maybe this is only with Intel |
| 16:37.27 | Pythos | ahh |
| 16:38.03 | Gianmaria | hi there, anyone knows what could be the problem when starting in.tftpd and getting address already in use? thanks in advance... |
| 16:38.22 | jharrisonwk | streuner: http://www.bahamas.com/bahamas/island/gallery.aspx?cmgid=45827&type=Images&category=View%20Island§ionID=5972 |
| 16:38.26 | ivoks | Pythos build ur own kernel |
| 16:38.33 | ivoks | Pythos i allways do that :) |
| 16:38.36 | Pythos | ivoks now doing |
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| 16:40.17 | jharrisonwk | streuner: http://tinyurl.com/ak6sg |
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| 16:41.35 | jharrisonwk | streuner: http://tinyurl.com/c58tq |
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| 16:42.25 | streuner | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.duke.edu/~jfb10/bahamas/Bridges%2520poll%2520smoking.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.duke.edu/~jfb10/bahamas/&h=480&w=640&sz=56&tbnid=XhybMKY9pmcJ:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&hl=en&start=9&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbahamas%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG |
| 16:42.27 | jharrisonwk | http://tinyurl.com/cngn6 |
| 16:42.34 | jharrisonwk | wowee |
| 16:42.40 | jharrisonwk | BIG URL |
| 16:42.43 | Pythos | ok, back to squid transparent proxy |
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| 16:43.23 | valdyn | Gianmaria: an already running server on that port |
| 16:43.26 | jharrisonwk | streuner: heh I dont know those people I just found their pictures |
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| 16:43.47 | bnoji | Where do you go to find the value of various materials? |
| 16:43.58 | bnoji | Like, avg price/ton of aluminum or gold |
| 16:44.18 | asg | bnoji: not here |
| 16:45.02 | greycat | bnoji: ebay |
| 16:45.13 | bnoji | Like, a commodity exchange... |
| 16:45.20 | EdibleText | bnoji, exactly |
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| 16:45.46 | ruied | what is the best way to start "dhcpcd3 -d eth1" when debian starts ??? |
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| 16:46.05 | simonrvn | ruied: use the init script |
| 16:46.13 | valdyn | bnoji: thats in every serious newspaper and their websites |
| 16:46.14 | mwilson | Gee, other than installing the dhcp server package normally, and then configuring it properly? |
| 16:46.23 | Pythos | what is the kernel config designation for a Semperon <amd64> ??? |
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| 16:46.36 | mwilson | When did a Sempron become an AMD64? |
| 16:46.54 | streuner | Sempron isn't amd64 |
| 16:46.57 | greycat | !sempron |
| 16:46.57 | EdibleText | Sempr0n? |
| 16:46.57 | dpkg | [sempron] AMD's new (2004) budget line of 32-bit processors, to replace the Duron line. Sempron 2800+ and lower are socket A; 3100+ and higher are socket 754. See <k7>. a Thoroughbred core Athlon XP (k7) by a flashy name |
| 16:46.59 | mwilson | No kidding. |
| 16:47.32 | valdyn | Pythos: athlonXP, unless you got a 64bit sempron from the future.. |
| 16:48.06 | Pythos | Hmm, well, I guess when I ordered it I saw amd64 |
| 16:48.42 | Pythos | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ |
| 16:48.56 | jetdotnet | yeah i was gonna ask if sempron is the new name for duron |
| 16:48.57 | Pythos | from /proc/cpu.. |
| 16:49.07 | jetdotnet | in 64 |
| 16:49.35 | greycat | Pythos: then where did you get "Sempron"? |
| 16:49.35 | Pythos | so, then I think I got the 64... but is that a K8 or what? |
| 16:49.47 | jetdotnet | i get to buy a socket 462 proc today oh boy |
| 16:50.01 | Pythos | greycat, trying to remember that one now... listing on pricewatch I guess |
| 16:50.20 | simonrvn | no kidding |
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| 16:50.27 | greycat | furrywolf: CPU prices drop. Quickly. |
| 16:50.45 | furrywolf | Linux newbox 2.4.17 #5 Thu Jan 17 11:07:39 PST 2002 i686 Pentium II (Deschutes) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 16:50.45 | Pythos | furrywolf, Um, what? I got these 5 boxen for about 300 each.. with ram and drive |
| 16:51.07 | furrywolf | $300 is $100 less than I paid for my CAR. you think I can spend that on a computer? |
| 16:51.10 | streuner | furrywolf: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 16:51.23 | RichiH | furrywolf: buying a new box every three to five years and upgrading in between once usually works for me |
| 16:51.26 | Pythos | dump your car then |
| 16:51.37 | greycat | !start a car war |
| 16:51.37 | dpkg | You humans still use *internal combustion* engines?? |
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| 16:51.42 | jetdotnet | outpost.com has some $279 deals on new boxes |
| 16:51.46 | EdibleText | heh |
| 16:52.02 | furrywolf | if I had a spare $279, $190 of it would go to paying the past-due phone bill. |
| 16:52.13 | streuner | furrywolf: still on woody? desktop or server? |
| 16:52.14 | RichiH | furrywolf: if that really is your main box, i can mail you a pIII if you live in germany |
| 16:52.31 | furrywolf | it's one of my two main boxes. the one I'm typing this on. :) |
| 16:52.42 | jetdotnet | i'm not shelling out the cash, i get to buy it for somebody |
| 16:52.56 | jetdotnet | oh wait... yes i am... the new box i'm not paying for |
| 16:52.58 | IDC | whats that name i forgot ,,sorry but something like ' module-init-tool ? |
| 16:53.05 | Pythos | moi needs primmer on initrd |
| 16:53.07 | Phated | tools. |
| 16:53.08 | asg | IDC: module-init-tools |
| 16:53.08 | furrywolf | the other box is a bit faster (2x p3-866)... |
| 16:53.10 | simonrvn | -tools |
| 16:53.12 | jetdotnet | module-init-tools, apt-get install it |
| 16:53.19 | IDC | oh,thanks |
| 16:53.32 | valdyn | Pythos: !tell Pythos about initrd |
| 16:53.51 | jetdotnet | 1\d$ |
| 16:54.32 | RichiH | furrywolf: i would suggest putting up an add in your local newspaper 'student needs free or cheap computer for free. will accept non-working machines, too' |
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| 16:54.41 | RichiH | furrywolf: or 'need job' ;) |
| 16:54.52 | furrywolf | richi: not a student. :P |
| 16:55.09 | RichiH | nobody needs to know that ;=) |
| 16:55.38 | furrywolf | and I only wore ears to class three times. :P |
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| 16:56.40 | furrywolf | and the job market here really, really sucks. |
| 16:57.29 | madclicker | anyone using dovecot? cause its a pice of work |
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| 16:59.48 | syb | ... gotcha == not actually have /boot configured upon finishing installation: 1) define 2 RAID partitions+devices [md0, md1]. 2) configure md0 as /boot. 3) create Physical Volume(s) for LVM. 4) configure LVM and set mount points. 5) Return from the LVM Configuration sub-menus... only to find that the md0 is nolonger set to be mounted as /boot |
| 17:00.47 | Bazy | and anyone help me with something about networking ? couse on the channel networking there is no one online... I want to know what BONDING is, can anyone tell me ? |
| 17:01.41 | benjamindees | it's using two network cards as one |
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| 17:01.45 | syb | So, in summary: What i think i'm seeing is that entering the LVM Configuration sub-menu "forgets" any existing selections for what you have already chosen to mount. Thus, always need to re-confirm that all partitions (normal, RAID and LVM) are going to be (formatted and) mounted where you want them! :-) |
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| 17:02.00 | IDC | Thanks for helps,gotta go to bed,see you all tomorrow |
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| 17:02.19 | pucko- | hello. how do I zip a file into several smaller zip-archives? |
| 17:02.21 | Bazy | benjamindees 10x :-) I'll search on google for some pdf-s |
| 17:02.25 | nomed^ | i'm using xfce but also i need anjuta ... in the preferences i've the terminal options that ask me if i want to use gnome terminal profile and i can select just default. do you know where is the config file for gnome terminal? |
| 17:02.28 | zinx | pucko-: zipsplit |
| 17:02.29 | asg | pucko-: zipslpit |
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| 17:02.31 | asg | eep |
| 17:02.32 | nomed^ | i would use aterm ... |
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| 17:02.37 | genix_ | Which package do I need to browse java based pages in mozilla? |
| 17:02.39 | asg | s/lp/pl/ |
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| 17:02.45 | asg | genix_: /msg dpkg install java |
| 17:03.00 | IDC | asg, by the way,should i leave computer on when i go to sleep ? |
| 17:03.11 | IDC | i never had this habbit though |
| 17:03.12 | asg | IDC: that's up to you. |
| 17:03.17 | pucko- | zinx, asg, thanks. |
| 17:03.40 | ruied | what do I need to configure my keymap to portuguese (in X) ? |
| 17:03.49 | IDC | asg, i will after i configure it more properly ,bye :) |
| 17:03.52 | asg | ruied: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 17:03.58 | asg | IDC: good night |
| 17:04.04 | IDC | night |
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| 17:04.31 | EdibleText | Bazy, there is 'bonding.txt' included in Documentation/networking in kernel-sources that support bonding |
| 17:05.40 | Bazy | EdibleText thank you |
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| 17:07.45 | Debian\Pwns | Hey i have a Lexmark X1100 runnin on xp .. i was wonderin if i cud use it for printing from my debian box? thru the network .. can anyone help? |
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| 17:08.06 | Coax | enyone who knows a good wysiwyg html editor?? |
| 17:08.15 | ryan` | Debian\Pwns: samba..... |
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| 17:08.22 | spunz | Coax, nvu |
| 17:08.30 | Debian\Pwns | how would i do it via samba? |
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| 17:08.51 | smhar | hi again.. |
| 17:08.52 | ryan` | you should be able to set cups up to use it. |
| 17:09.06 | dfzi | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-41841.html&sid=4a9e394a420e1c59c2fe96872daa02ed |
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| 17:09.10 | dfzi | any ideas for solving that one? |
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| 17:09.11 | smhar | i rebooted but the problem is still ther |
| 17:09.15 | smhar | when I use alsmixer, and use the tab to see the capture view, I only get capture to set, the mic doesn't have a capture to set.. is this normal |
| 17:09.41 | drasko | hi all. How to compile a gtk program in anjuta -- gcc does not seem to reckognize ' |
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| 17:10.01 | genix_ | I have installed java-package in sarge but can't browse java based pages in mozilla, which package am I missing? |
| 17:10.18 | drac | genix_: man make-jpkg |
| 17:10.22 | Lee__ | genix_: which java? |
| 17:10.34 | asg | genix_: /msg dpkg firefox java ; /msg dpkg mozilla java |
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| 17:11.38 | shingouz | Running usbmgr here on 2.6, where do I add the usb signature of a new device so that it modprobes the appropriate module? Added the signature to /etc/usbmgr/usbmgr.conf and did a restart but still no autoloading. |
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| 17:13.13 | shingouz | Ah, nevermind :) |
| 17:13.51 | smhar | atleast now when I use the mic I can hear myself in the headphone.. even without recoding.. but recording still doesn't work |
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| 17:15.15 | craigevil | anyone know hot to install reaktivate for Konqueror? |
| 17:15.17 | smhar | I want to talk in skype with my old professor and a friend and he is an old man that hates to use the keyboard for 'talking' |
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| 17:15.30 | KerPlunk | konqueror sucks |
| 17:15.35 | KerPlunk | People still use that shit? |
| 17:15.38 | KerPlunk | !start a browser war |
| 17:15.39 | dpkg | lynx is cooler than links! |
| 17:15.55 | takatumi | KerPlunk: yeah, I plunked it as well. |
| 17:16.00 | m4lu6 | arhg. it's been years since i used make-kpkg; can somebody remind me of sequence to build a "custom" kernel for testing purposes?? |
| 17:16.03 | ivoks | lol |
| 17:16.05 | craigevil | Kerplunk I know but it seems to be the only way to be able to install Activex |
| 17:16.11 | m4lu6 | can't seem to remembe what comes after "make-kpkg debian" :) |
| 17:16.17 | ivoks | start browser wars... boring day? :) |
| 17:16.21 | cbr | do it manually :p |
| 17:16.26 | craigevil | 99% of the time I use Firefox |
| 17:16.39 | smhar | firefox is cool |
| 17:16.39 | ivoks | and 1% wget |
| 17:16.49 | takatumi | !snappyfox |
| 17:16.59 | takatumi | !zippyfox |
| 17:16.59 | dpkg | i heard zippyfox is tweak away for some zip. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts |
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| 17:18.08 | craigevil | ok how about a way to get Yahoo Launch music to work |
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| 17:19.15 | mihaly | what happens if you compile in support for a device and you dont have that device in the computer? |
| 17:19.23 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 17:19.25 | KerPlunk | nothing |
| 17:19.30 | mihaly | in to the kernel that is |
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| 17:19.36 | m4lu6 | mihaly, china lobs nukes at japan. |
| 17:19.36 | KerPlunk | You have to load the module after you compile it anyway. |
| 17:19.42 | KerPlunk | So yo'ull just waste a few kilobytes of hdd space. |
| 17:19.54 | furrywolf | and/or crashes/oopses/panics/etc, depending on how well the driver handles the device not being there. :) |
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| 17:19.59 | cahoot | craigevil: google suggests: http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=137438 |
| 17:20.02 | KerPlunk | craigevil: activex? |
| 17:20.04 | furrywolf | kerplunk: compile in != module |
| 17:20.14 | KerPlunk | Isn't that the scripting language that is a playground for hackers/internet explorer |
| 17:20.17 | KerPlunk | Why would you want that? |
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| 17:20.27 | ivoks | bye all |
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| 17:20.49 | craigevil | because from what I can tell it is the only way to get Yahoo Luanch to work |
| 17:21.05 | mihaly | the case is that from Windows I got that i have an "ALi fast IR" and in the kernel the ir device i stated with more specifik name... Is it safe to kompile it into the kernel? |
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| 17:21.43 | craigevil | besides most of the crap ActX does shouldn't affect linux |
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| 17:22.15 | mihaly | so its safe? |
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| 17:24.43 | drasko | how to build gtk file in anjuta. It will compile, but building makes problem with gtk-config |
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| 17:27.13 | elephant | I will install this week a debian distrib on a SGI 320 Workstation - Can i use debian R3 install on it ? |
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| 17:28.18 | furrywolf | elephant: sgi 320s require the use of some sun-provided boot partition and other messy things, iirc. |
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| 17:29.15 | shingouz | elephant: Maybe the thingies furrywolf here mentioned are Open Firmware like the Apples? Read the install docs before you flatten out the original install |
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| 17:29.52 | furrywolf | elephant: there's a site with sgi 320 install instructions somewhere... google should be able to find it. |
| 17:29.59 | ruied | how do I check my gnome version? |
| 17:30.08 | pipeline | elephant: Yes, but no. |
| 17:30.11 | b0ef | anybody speak chinese? |
| 17:30.15 | Debian\Pwns | how can i start CUPS ?¿ |
| 17:30.19 | pipeline | elephant: I suggest you install NT4 and upgrade to 2000. Linux on 320 sucks ass. |
| 17:30.26 | pipeline | elephant: No graphics drivers |
| 17:30.31 | shingouz | elephant: Aren't the SGI's Silicon Graphics instead of Suns in anycase |
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| 17:30.46 | pipeline | shingouz: Shush, you. |
| 17:30.51 | shingouz | ? |
| 17:31.19 | elephant | pipeline: oh really |
| 17:31.22 | furrywolf | shingouz: the 320s were extra-legacy-free x86 boxes with fancy graphics chips. |
| 17:31.24 | pipeline | shingouz: Well, both you and furrywolf don't know what you're talking about. The 320 was a non-PC intel machine. |
| 17:31.51 | shingouz | Debian\Pwns: apt-get install it in the first place amd /etc/init.d/cupssonthing start if needed. To configure http://localhost:631 |
| 17:31.56 | elephant | pipeline: i have heard it could make a quite stable linux system |
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| 17:31.58 | pipeline | elephant: Yeah. Also, a lot of the on-board stuff is really, really, really buggy at the hardware level. You would probably be better off installing Windows and using cygwin. |
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| 17:32.12 | shingouz | pipeline: OK ok ok :) |
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| 17:32.40 | pipeline | elephant: The 320 should have been a "quite stable linux system." I have no idea what SGI was thinking shipping an NT "workstation." There was no market, and the 320 series sold poorly. |
| 17:32.47 | furrywolf | pipeline: I don't know what I'm talking about? do you want to show some evidence of that, or are you just attacking people? |
| 17:33.03 | pipeline | furrywolf: Sun-provided? |
| 17:33.06 | jayc | greets, could some ppl please give me there 2 cents about Fedora, pro's and con's and such? thx in adv |
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| 17:33.25 | asg | jayc: ugly and cumbersome to use. |
| 17:33.29 | elephant | pipeline: i used it for 4 years and it was ok - though some drivers problems |
| 17:33.31 | pipeline | jayc: Pro: You would be spending more time asking fedora questions in #fedora. Con: It's not debian. |
| 17:33.41 | jayc | heh |
| 17:33.46 | furrywolf | pipeline: last I checked the linux installation instructions, there was a sun-provided (closed source etc) bootloader you had to install on its own partition to make it boot. that was a while ago though. |
| 17:33.51 | shingouz | jayc: What do you think? Coming to #debian and asking about Fedora? And you think we are going to give you any other answer than Fedora sucks ;) |
| 17:33.56 | elephant | pipeline: ok so your advice is "Keep it under Win2K" ? |
| 17:34.00 | jayc | lol |
| 17:34.01 | asg | jayc: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 17:34.05 | Debian\Pwns | how can i start CUPS ?¿ |
| 17:34.09 | K_Dallas | shingouz, the other way around is true, going to fedora asking about it ;) |
| 17:34.11 | thingfish | jayc: it was very buggy for me, was what drove me to debian. |
| 17:34.14 | Debian\Pwns | or isnt it pre-installed ?¿ |
| 17:34.24 | pipeline | elephant: Oh, that's the great part -- you can't install 2000 directly. You need the original NT4 install media, then you have to *upgrade* to 2000. |
| 17:34.28 | furrywolf | I was going to put together a 320, but the memory modules (half-dimm-ish things that have to be installed in sets of 6) were way too expensive. |
| 17:34.30 | streuner | Debian\Pwns: /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 17:34.31 | shingouz | K_Dallas: So very painfully true. The fact still remains that Fedora sucks |
| 17:34.32 | pipeline | Debian\Pwns: It's not preinstalled. You have to install it. |
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| 17:34.56 | streuner | Debian\Pwns: /msg dpkg cups |
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| 17:35.05 | newevmsuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.05 | K_Dallas | jayc, since i am very much objective i have to say that after using RH, Fedora and CentOS I am back with Debian and enjoying it even more ;) |
| 17:35.05 | ryan` | anyone know what the status of sarge is? |
| 17:35.10 | jayc | alright then, well that will make testing easy since my laptop is already running debian |
| 17:35.14 | drac | ryan`: testing. |
| 17:35.17 | pipeline | furrywolf: It's ironic that SGI's commodity product uses the rarest and most expensive memory. |
| 17:35.21 | shingouz | !topicsmite ryan` |
| 17:35.21 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ryan`. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:35.23 | elephant | pipeline: well i managed to make a direct 2K install - I am shure of that. But you are right, it was sayed to upgrade |
| 17:35.38 | thingfish | I agree with shingouz, Fedora sucks very bad. Plus if you help the fedora project, you're just helping red hat to make a better product in RHEL, which I don't care to do for free at least. |
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| 17:36.02 | pipeline | jayc: We don't really care if you use Fedora. But that's what the #fedora channel is for. This is #debian. Install debian. |
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| 17:36.10 | elephant | pipeline: 512mb ram kits prices were a really good joke from SGI |
| 17:36.19 | ryan` | shingouz, I read the topic. dpkg says security updates for sarge should be up in april, and it is now may...... |
| 17:36.23 | jayc | is it possible to load Debian by mounting the .iso's in a directory on a running system? or am I just crazy for even thinking this way? |
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| 17:36.46 | pipeline | jayc: It is indeed possible, but it's a pain in the butt. The relevant tool is debootstrap. |
| 17:36.50 | K_Dallas | jayc, you are thinking about LIVECDs most probably |
| 17:36.55 | shingouz | ryan`: Check the Debian website for more information, that is the only thing I can say about it really |
| 17:37.13 | pipeline | jayc: It would be easier to copy the contents of the cds to directories on a hard drive partition, then use the "hdmedia" installer to boot the installer off your hard drive. |
| 17:37.15 | K_Dallas | jayc, or vmware stuff |
| 17:37.15 | shingouz | jayc: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 17:38.17 | furrywolf | pipeline: from what I could tell, it was supposed to be some uber-fast memory system used for the video in/out framebuffers, graphics ram, and main system ram at once... but surely they could have found some cheaper way to do it. :) |
| 17:39.22 | pipeline | furrywolf: It's SGI. Their watchwords have always been baroque, obscene, overengineered. |
| 17:39.39 | shingouz | Overengineered is good IMHO |
| 17:39.40 | furrywolf | heh :) |
| 17:39.47 | pipeline | Sometimes it is good. |
| 17:39.54 | pipeline | I'd love to have an IRIX source tree. |
| 17:39.57 | pipeline | Not because it would be useful |
| 17:40.00 | pipeline | But because it would be fun. |
| 17:40.04 | shingouz | heh |
| 17:40.16 | pipeline | As it's twenty years of accrued obscenities |
| 17:40.17 | furrywolf | you can upgrade the 320s to dual 1ghz cpus if you replace the VRMs, so they're not _too_ outdated yet... |
| 17:40.27 | greycat | pipeline: don't forget "shiny". |
| 17:40.39 | pipeline | greycat: My SGIs aren't shiny :P |
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| 17:40.43 | furrywolf | shiny is good. that's why I wanted to put mine together. :P |
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| 17:41.01 | jpeg | pipeline: there was indeed a page with installation instructions on btinternet.co.uk/~320, but that site is dead. I've looked for it on archive.org, but that page escaped. anyway, it recommended a 50mb fat partition at the beginning of the disk. |
| 17:41.15 | pipeline | Let us have a moment of silence in memory of IRIX :P |
| 17:41.16 | furrywolf | although the 320s were basically an ATX case with slightly different standoff patterns and an ugly plastic cover... |
| 17:41.20 | greycat | we have an SGI box here that I don't admin. Its name is "jabba". It's... large. |
| 17:41.22 | furrywolf | jpeg: I have a mirror of the site. |
| 17:41.33 | pipeline | furrywolf: Heh, the SGI Fuel really IS an ATX case. |
| 17:41.34 | furrywolf | I was able to dig up an archive of it, and wget'ed the whole thing. :) |
| 17:41.58 | asg | greycat: should see our E6800 (we call it big gay al.) |
| 17:42.01 | pipeline | furrywolf: It's like the cheapest piece of shit imaginable. And the IRIX drivers for the PC-style components are pure shit |
| 17:42.04 | jpeg | furrywolf, can you confirm that the installation instructions were to make a 50mb fat partition at the beginning? |
| 17:42.16 | pipeline | furrywolf: The SGI that nerds knew and loved is dead. |
| 17:42.22 | furrywolf | jpeg: I think it re-appeared though... have you tried a google? |
| 17:42.28 | jpeg | of course. |
| 17:43.17 | furrywolf | jpeg: http://www.leupen.com/~remko/sgi/overview.htm |
| 17:43.23 | greycat | google image search for "E6800" is quite amusing. |
| 17:43.30 | greycat | 4th image is a *shoe* |
| 17:44.11 | asg | greycat: non of those have a built for windows 98 sticker on the front like ours does though. |
| 17:44.19 | jpeg | furrywolf, riiight. like i said, the page with the installation instructions escaped, no? I thought it was under 'OS' |
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| 17:44.31 | greycat | asg: my wastebasket has a built for windows 95 sticker on it. |
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| 17:44.41 | charolastra | hi people |
| 17:45.02 | charolastra | hast anyone compiled xoscope on debian? |
| 17:45.08 | tarzeau | charolastra: i think i did |
| 17:45.29 | furrywolf | jpeg: not sure. http://www.leupen.com/~remko/sgi/Tutorials/Linux_install/Linux1.htm might be it |
| 17:45.33 | asg | greycat: hehe |
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| 17:45.40 | jpeg | anyway, I'd be interested in hearing your experiences, pipeline. installing on my vw320 is on my to-do list. I'd don't think it'll be that bad. |
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| 17:45.57 | Zap-W | hey , is there any limitation of how many new network connections one can open in 2.6.x kernel |
| 17:46.17 | asg | greycat: ours took a crap this morning because /tmp was full which apparently caused a ring buffer to fill up. |
| 17:46.18 | charolastra | tarzeau: i'm trying but i run into all kindes of compile errors :( |
| 17:46.24 | jpeg | furrywolf, yes, that's the page. thanks. |
| 17:46.31 | shingouz | charolastra: What is xoscope? I am too lazy to google at the moment ;) |
| 17:46.35 | greycat | asg: ah, you probably had /tmp on swap space. |
| 17:46.47 | charolastra | its a oscilloscope that works from the soundcard input |
| 17:46.47 | greycat | asg: I think solaris has used that as one of its "standard" setups for some time now |
| 17:46.58 | asg | greycat: looks that way. It isn't my box so I don't spend much time with it. |
| 17:47.02 | furrywolf | jpeg: the site is a bit outdated; I think the 2.6 kernels have vw320 support natively (as a config option), and you don't need a special kernel binary. |
| 17:47.05 | tarzeau | charolastra: for example which? |
| 17:47.06 | technos | Zap-W: There isn't any hard-coded limitation I am aware of, no. |
| 17:47.08 | shingouz | charolastra: Cool. |
| 17:47.16 | pipeline | greycat, asg : Solaris, by default mounts /tmp as a tmpfs, yes. |
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| 17:47.18 | jpeg | furrywolf, correct... as that page says. |
| 17:47.36 | greycat | /tmp on swap always struck me as one of the more idiotic ideas, on an OS where you MUST have paging space in order to use anything. |
| 17:48.00 | furrywolf | I didn't actually read the page. :) |
| 17:48.09 | pipeline | greycat: I thought it was a great idea, as you don't tie up your disk spindle in order to flush 10k of volatile data to disk. |
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| 17:48.40 | charolastra | tarzeau: like first it complains about automake then a missing depcomp; after that is fixed and i do "make" it tells me there is a missing seperator in my make file :( |
| 17:49.01 | greycat | pipeline: if disk performance is an issue, you can always move /tmp to a different spindle |
| 17:49.04 | tarzeau | charolastra: can you put your makefile online? |
| 17:49.10 | furrywolf | I did a lot of googling about the 320 before deciding I'd need to spend a lot of time and money to fix up a box with minimal performance. :) |
| 17:49.16 | greycat | pipeline: anyway, it might be OK for a workstation where crashes aren't catastrophic, but on a server...? |
| 17:49.17 | charolastra | sure, hold on |
| 17:49.19 | pipeline | greycat: If I have multiple spindles, there's always something better that I could be doing than writing garbage data to disk. |
| 17:49.23 | tarzeau | charolastra: you did google check if there's no inofficial package of it? |
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| 17:49.39 | pipeline | greycat: Also, if you're ever running out of VM entirely, something is already catastrophically wrong. The 100M written to /tmp isn't the problem. |
| 17:49.53 | dsotm | i keep getting error code 100 when trying to use dpkg, google wont tell me what it means |
| 17:49.56 | greycat | charolastra: missing separator in a makefile MIGHT be a CR-LF issue. |
| 17:50.05 | charolastra | tarzeau: no i didn't |
| 17:50.05 | greycat | charolastra: it could also be "you typed 8 spaces instead of a tab" |
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| 17:50.16 | charolastra | http://bor.kicks-ass.org/temp/Makefile |
| 17:50.28 | charolastra | it complains about line # 405 |
| 17:50.29 | tarzeau | charolastra: do you have a picture of bor? |
| 17:51.02 | charolastra | i suspect its because i redid the makefile during the automake stuff? |
| 17:51.08 | greycat | @AMDEP_TRUE@@am__include@ @am__quote@./$(DEPDIR)/bitscope.Po@am__quote@ |
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| 17:51.14 | charolastra | uhm, what is "bor" for you? |
| 17:51.16 | tarzeau | i wish i could add | nl to a webpage rendered by internet explorer |
| 17:51.19 | greycat | charolastra: you have unexpanded automake/autoconf macros still in it. |
| 17:51.28 | greycat | automake, I'd guess, from the AM |
| 17:51.30 | tarzeau | charolastra: your host bor kicks-ass why? |
| 17:52.03 | charolastra | yes, my computer |
| 17:52.29 | tarzeau | charolastra: you like playing games? |
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| 17:53.15 | charolastra | sometimes; if they provide a nice environment |
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| 17:54.20 | KillerBunny | thinks even. |
| 17:54.27 | dsotm | i keep getting error code 100 when trying to use dpkg, google wont tell me what it means. does anyone know? |
| 17:54.30 | ruied | in what package do I have the tool to configure gnome keyboard map ??? |
| 17:54.40 | Fo | fuckin script kiddies |
| 17:54.59 | shimano55 | Question, What is the CUPS addy? |
| 17:55.04 | furrywolf | killerbunny: lol |
| 17:55.04 | Fo | ops, sorry |
| 17:55.12 | anto9us | no furrywolf, I have very little interest in games too |
| 17:55.15 | tarzeau | ruied: setxkbmap |
| 17:55.24 | tarzeau | shimano55: ask google |
| 17:55.27 | technos | Fo: Someone fork bomb you? :) |
| 17:55.29 | asg | furrywolf: not even travel scrabble? |
| 17:55.35 | furrywolf | anto: good, I'm not the only one. :) |
| 17:55.39 | anto9us | ooh, now I like scrabble |
| 17:55.41 | furrywolf | asg: never heard of it. |
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| 17:56.03 | charolastra | so, any ideas about my make file? how do i fix the automake macros which greycat mantioned? |
| 17:56.19 | Fo | technos : some idiot try to log in on my machine as a root, and he is using brute force |
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| 17:56.39 | roler | i'm trying to use devilspie to alter my gnome-terminal and need to know what the option is called in devilspie to disable the border? |
| 17:57.00 | shimano55 | Question, In my internet browser why does http://localhost work, but not http://192.0.0.1 and how do I fix that? |
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| 17:57.12 | technos | fo: Tried and true, and it usually works. Time to route him unfavorably. |
| 17:57.17 | furrywolf | shimano: because of PEBKAC error. |
| 17:57.18 | greycat | because localhost is 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:57.32 | Fo | technos : this MTF : http://65.110.41.130/ |
| 17:57.47 | mentor | hmmm. |
| 17:57.59 | ruied | tarzeau: when I do setxkbmap pt, does gnome stays the portuguese keymap, even when is restarted? what is the difference between setxkbmap and xmodmap and where are all the keymaps stored? I want to understand a litle bit more, this is a litle confusing for me... |
| 17:58.03 | tarzeau | greycat: usually |
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| 17:58.15 | tarzeau | ruied: no it doesn't stays |
| 17:58.26 | technos | Fo: It's probably a rooted box anyway. Some iptables or router magic should discourage his script. |
| 17:58.31 | tarzeau | ruied: ever heard of dpkg -S and -L ? |
| 17:58.48 | ruied | tarzeau nop... |
| 17:58.48 | tarzeau | ruied: play a litle with packages.debian.org (search content) |
| 17:59.04 | shimano55 | greycat...hmm that'd do it :) |
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| 17:59.26 | shimano55 | greycat, I know CUPS is 127.0.0.1:<something>...do you know what it is? |
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| 17:59.41 | tarzeau | shimano55: try netstat -na to find out |
| 18:00.10 | technos | Damn.. 1:07 into install, it decides it can't see the mirror anymore. :/ |
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| 18:00.28 | asg | shimano55: :631 |
| 18:00.40 | ruied | tarzeau: what can I do to set the keymap definitly in pt? |
| 18:00.53 | tarzeau | ruied: edit the x configuration file |
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| 18:02.14 | Fo | technos : think that iptables -I INPUT -s [ip_of_MTF] -j DROP - gonna help :) |
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| 18:04.57 | sebas_ | exist some tool to measure the network congestion? |
| 18:05.40 | ruied | tarzeau: you are talking about the XKBLayout in XF86Config? I have it like this Option "XKBLayout" "pt" but it doesn't work |
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| 18:06.18 | JohnnyST | Hi can I uncopress the files in a .deb file? |
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| 18:06.33 | greycat | JohnnyST: dpkg -x |
| 18:06.41 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 18:06.41 | Neverm1nd | As long as its an external serial modem it should work with debian right? |
| 18:07.07 | greycat | Neverm1nd: yes |
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| 18:07.25 | technos | Neverm1nd: Yes. An external serial modem will work with anything from my cell phone to an Atari400 to Debian. :P |
| 18:07.35 | Neverm1nd | rockit |
| 18:07.59 | Neverm1nd | cause Im tryin to set up a fax server and have given up trying to get the internal winmodem to work |
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| 18:08.14 | shimano55 | Question, Does CUPS come with Debian-Sarge Base System? Or does it have to be installed? |
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| 18:08.45 | asg | shimano55: it has to be installed |
| 18:09.08 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 18:09.08 | dpkg | i guess cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
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| 18:09.47 | drac | or hit foomatic-gui, and enjoy :P |
| 18:09.59 | shimano55 | To install CUPS: apt-get install cupsys ? |
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| 18:10.18 | shingouz | shimano55: /msg dpkg cups setup |
| 18:10.41 | naddar | anyone know a program for ftp-server in kde or shell |
| 18:10.49 | bisy | Yep, apt-get install cupsys then visit http://localhost:631/ |
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| 18:10.59 | shingouz | naddar: ftp is always a daemon |
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| 18:12.19 | greycat | ftp is a protocol |
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| 18:13.09 | naddar | bisy |
| 18:13.12 | naddar | how can i start it |
| 18:13.18 | naddar | oh ok |
| 18:13.46 | srineer|laptop | i have a small file server im going to setup for 4 people, is debian testing stable enough or should i use debian stable? |
| 18:14.09 | greycat | srineer|laptop: I'm sure it's OK. |
| 18:14.19 | srineer|laptop | cool |
| 18:14.21 | srineer|laptop | thnks |
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| 18:14.31 | pahvi | srineer|laptop: testing is ok.. but don't try unstable. |
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| 18:14.39 | naddar | how can i start that server bisy |
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| 18:14.47 | srineer|laptop | testing it is |
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| 18:15.18 | pahvi | so it shall be |
| 18:15.24 | greycat | a file or web server is like the simplest passive blob of a thing... there's very little that can go wrong, and any major bugs would have shown up already |
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| 18:15.28 | srineer|laptop | :) |
| 18:15.29 | valdyn | !confuse naddar |
| 18:15.30 | dpkg | Yes, what was their snake yesterday, naddar? breeches of the republic of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 18:15.49 | greycat | naddar: please phrase your question in a way that facilitates having it *answered*. |
| 18:15.54 | greycat | !tell naddar about smart questions |
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| 18:16.29 | greycat | naddar: you just want to INSTALL an ftp server? "apt-get install ftpd". |
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| 18:17.23 | Wille88 | Have anyone had irq-problems with kt600-chipset? |
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| 18:18.47 | naddar | greycat: i install that how can i start it now |
| 18:19.27 | technos | naddar: It autostarts itself. |
| 18:19.35 | naddar | how can i managa then |
| 18:19.36 | greycat | naddar: it's already going. |
| 18:19.40 | ruied | I have vsftp, is there any way so to stop a user of going from /home/$user to /home or to / ???? |
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| 18:19.42 | greycat | naddar: what do you want to *DO* to it? |
| 18:19.49 | naddar | setup a ftp server |
| 18:19.52 | naddar | thats all |
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| 18:19.55 | greycat | naddar: it's set up. |
| 18:19.58 | greycat | naddar: just use it. |
| 18:19.59 | technos | naddar: Then you're done. :) |
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| 18:20.15 | naddar | lol how i can use it dont see notting |
| 18:20.20 | naddar | just install thats all |
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| 18:20.28 | asg | naddar: ftp localhost |
| 18:20.43 | bisy | naddar: cupsys is the cups printing daemon; I don't think you're interested in that. You might be able to get wu-ftpd to run as a user on a high port number: for example /usr/sbin/wu-ftp -s -p 8123 then run ftp localhost 8123 |
| 18:21.16 | naddar | where can i get info of that |
| 18:21.24 | greycat | bisy: huh? |
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| 18:22.39 | paulswm | ruied: the ability to 'cd' to a directory is controlled by the 'execute' privilege |
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| 18:23.03 | mikeX | OT, but where can I get a nice HTML editor comparison? |
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| 18:23.15 | technos | Hmmmm... Methinks I need to swap this SCSI drive.. I don't seem to recall the 1.2Gb Seagate thunking quite this much. |
| 18:23.21 | asg | mikeX: #html |
| 18:23.34 | MASoft | does debian ARM ported for PDAs ? |
| 18:23.35 | mikeX | asg, indeed ... |
| 18:23.36 | bisy | naddar: if it's a debian box and you've got root, then simply type "apt-get install wu-ftd" |
| 18:24.00 | asg | MASoft: debian can run on a Zaurus |
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| 18:26.11 | ruied | paulswm, that's controled only with the linux fs? |
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| 18:26.58 | asg | ruied: it's a function of the standard unix permission system |
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| 18:27.50 | asg | !wikifaq ruied Permissions |
| 18:27.51 | dpkg | ruied: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:28.52 | naddar | bisy this works but where can i add username's folders ect |
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| 18:29.46 | bisy | naddar: man wu-ftpd |
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| 18:30.13 | greycat | naddar: man adduser |
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| 18:31.25 | Subdino | Hi. What is needed on the ssh server side to make ssh -X work ? I thought an x client prog + X11Forwarding yes was enough |
| 18:31.34 | greycat | Subdino: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 18:31.35 | stew | Subdino: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 18:31.37 | suifur | greycat: isn't adduser just a frontend script to useradd ? |
| 18:31.37 | directhex | Subdino, did you restart sshd? |
| 18:31.38 | simonrvn | @tell Subdino -about sshx |
| 18:31.42 | greycat | suifur: yes. |
| 18:31.48 | ruied | asg: yup, I know, I've asked because I thought that there was a parameter in vsftp to limit the user to his home directory (controled by vsftp) apart from the *nix fs. |
| 18:31.51 | suifur | greycat: ah ok, just checking |
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| 18:31.54 | greycat | directhex: probably missing xauth(1) |
| 18:32.06 | asg | ruied: ah, that I don't know. |
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| 18:33.58 | technos | Damn.. This Quantum drive has to be the prettiest thing I've ever seen.. Polished chrome numminess. |
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| 18:34.24 | Subdino | directhex: sure |
| 18:34.41 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 18:34.42 | dpkg | well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 18:34.49 | furrywolf | technos: every quantum drive I've owned has died. never buying one again. |
| 18:35.04 | Subdino | I think xauth was the problem |
| 18:35.27 | Fo | :) |
| 18:35.27 | savio_R | Hello, does anyone know a good discution list of C++? |
| 18:35.51 | naddar | ok user is added |
| 18:36.12 | technos | furrywolf: Oh, this is a antique SE SCSI2 drive from about 1988.. I wouldn't buy one these days either. |
| 18:36.22 | EdibleText | How can i scroll up, i.e. <shift+pgup> in terminal, while in screen ? |
| 18:38.32 | mikeX | EdibleText, the same way? |
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| 18:38.51 | simonrvn | ^a-esc |
| 18:38.57 | EdibleText | mikeX, nope ;) |
| 18:39.22 | MASoft | How can I start a Jail ? |
| 18:39.25 | simonrvn | Welcome to hacker's treasure zoo - Column 17 Line 33(+4096) (128,33) |
| 18:39.46 | EdibleText | simonrvn, thanks |
| 18:39.48 | simonrvn | MASoft: you don't. that's a bsd-ism |
| 18:40.17 | technos | MASoft: Why start your own? Participate in someone elses instead. Go rob a mini mart. |
| 18:40.18 | simonrvn | what you want is a chroot |
| 18:40.18 | MASoft | simonrvn, but I saw a Jain in a Redhat server ! |
| 18:40.29 | simonrvn | it's a misnomer |
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| 18:40.39 | MASoft | technos, I want start in a server ! |
| 18:40.47 | usynic | anyone know how to get sasl2 courier authdaemon support in sarge? |
| 18:40.52 | tarzeau | ruied: maybe it's pt_PT ? |
| 18:41.00 | simonrvn | usynic: use it? |
| 18:41.43 | usynic | simonrvn: I'm asking how I get it installed? |
| 18:42.14 | simonrvn | install sasl modules, tell courier to use sasl. like digest-md5, cram-md5, gssapi, etc. |
| 18:42.32 | ruied | tarzeau: yes it's pt or pt_PT, but how can I add it permanently, where is the gnome conf file |
| 18:42.35 | technos | Bah.. And the machine doesn't like the IBM SCSI drives. :/ |
| 18:42.54 | usynic | yeah, I'm pretty sure I did.... however, I can't get sasl2 in postfix to use the courier authdaemon |
| 18:43.20 | greycat | svr1a:/# mt -f /dev/nst0 rewind -> svr1a:/# tar cvf /dev/nst0 etc -> tar: /dev/nst0: Cannot open: Read-only file system |
| 18:43.22 | tarzeau | ruied: gnome doesn't have a conf file for this, X11 has one |
| 18:43.41 | tarzeau | ruied: you need to configure this in X11. GNOME needs X11, it can not run without X11 |
| 18:43.42 | greycat | crw-rw---- 1 root tape 9, 128 Jul 5 2000 /dev/nst0 and /dev/sda2 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 18:43.54 | Justin | greycat: is /dev/ mounted ro or nodev? |
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| 18:43.59 | greycat | and I checked the tape too -- the write protect tab is in the correct (closed) position. |
| 18:44.02 | Jon | nautilus has just changed all icons to paper. looking at d pkg's page for nautilus it suggests installing gnome-icon-themes which are installed. however I just updated my packages. is there a quick way to restart just nautilus without logging out of gnome? |
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| 18:44.19 | greycat | Justin: /dev is part of root (not separte, no devfs, no udev) |
| 18:44.26 | Justin | Jon: killall nautilus, and if it doesnt restart on it's own, nautilus& |
| 18:44.31 | simonrvn | Jon: choose another icon theme |
| 18:44.39 | Jon | simonrvn: interesting approach |
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| 18:44.55 | MASoft | what's difference between Gnome 2.10 and 2.8 ? I want choose between SID and Sarge |
| 18:44.58 | Jon | Justin: hm thanks - I also have just discovered 'nautilus -q'; however it came back up with all-paper icons too |
| 18:45.09 | Justin | Jon: try running gnome-settings-daemon |
| 18:45.19 | simonrvn | sid is not an acronym |
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| 18:45.29 | simonrvn | you failed the sid test :P |
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| 18:45.55 | EdibleText | dict backronym |
| 18:45.59 | EdibleText | !dict backronym |
| 18:46.01 | dpkg | could not find definition for backronym |
| 18:46.07 | Jon | hm I think various bits of gnome themes must have moved around, blast. |
| 18:46.42 | ruied | tarzeau: going to check, I thought that gnome runed a keymap above X11 (I gess was wrong) |
| 18:47.04 | simonrvn | what's 'runed'? |
| 18:47.09 | greycat | !backronym |
| 18:47.09 | dpkg | from memory, backronym is [from the Jargon file] backronym n. [portmanteau of back + acronym] A word interpreted as an acronym that was not originally so intended. This is a special case of what linguists call `back formation'. Examples are given under {BASIC}, {recursive acronym} (Cygnus), {Acme}, and {mung}. Discovering backronyms is a common form of wordplay among hackers. Compare {retcon}. |
| 18:47.10 | Jon | oh sod this, brb, just going to log out and log in, winxp style |
| 18:47.23 | naddar | anyone know for example i installed vstream its all ok but how can i find to start that program |
| 18:47.30 | EdibleText | whoa ;) |
| 18:47.30 | asg | naddar: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 18:47.34 | tarzeau | simonrvn: try dict rune |
| 18:47.47 | simonrvn | i don't think that's what s/he meant |
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| 18:48.03 | simonrvn | anyway, i have stuff to kerberise |
| 18:48.06 | MASoft | simonrvn, one of the biggest difference between SID and Sarge for me is the Gnome version |
| 18:48.09 | naddar | dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 18:48.09 | dpkg | ii <pkg> 2.3-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 18:48.14 | asg | naddar: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 18:48.24 | asg | naddar: uppercase (it shows you what the package installed) |
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| 18:49.09 | greycat | MASoft: and what features does 2.10 give you that 2.8 does not? |
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| 18:49.57 | MASoft | greycat, I want to select ! What features 2.10 have that 2.8 doesn't ? |
| 18:50.22 | naddar | vstream - bttv video capture utility aimed at making MPEGs |
| 18:50.26 | naddar | that i installed |
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| 18:51.15 | ruied | where is the X log file? /var/log??? |
| 18:51.20 | asg | ruied: yes |
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| 18:52.28 | drcode | hi all |
| 18:52.29 | rikva | hey, I thougth Linux' memory management was so good there was no need for a reboot, but it seems like my 512 megs of my desktop system are full, and I can barely start programs |
| 18:52.29 | drcode | whats up |
| 18:52.39 | rikva | so, what to do now |
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| 18:52.42 | asg | !free memory |
| 18:52.43 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 18:52.50 | asg | rikva: create a swap partition |
| 18:53.04 | rikva | asg: i have 500meg swap also |
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| 18:53.10 | asg | rikva: is it being used? |
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| 18:53.19 | asg | rikva: what does free(1) say? |
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| 18:53.28 | stouset | rivka: Linux does have good memory management. But if you're using up 512MB of memory, there's not much that it can do =P |
| 18:53.38 | greycat | asg: your BSD is showing! |
| 18:53.53 | asg | greycat: hehe |
| 18:53.55 | rikva | there's 190meg of swap being used |
| 18:53.55 | drcode | any one mybe can help me with openvpn? |
| 18:54.13 | asg | rikva: stop running so much stuff or get more ram |
| 18:54.18 | stouset | drcode: What do you need? |
| 18:54.23 | drcode | I did setup vpn at home and work |
| 18:54.28 | oskie- | anyone know how to enable the IO-APIC in the kernel? |
| 18:54.35 | drcode | I can connect true the vpn tunnel |
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| 18:54.43 | stouset | rikva: Like I said. If the programs you're running need more than 512MB of RAM, then no memory management in the world is going to stop that. |
| 18:54.50 | drcode | but I want at my work to get into the internet at home |
| 18:54.55 | drcode | so I will have all port open |
| 18:55.00 | priest | someone who knows a program to load test dns-servers? |
| 18:55.04 | rikva | hmm, nothing to do then :| |
| 18:55.05 | ruied | I have XKB Disabled in my XFree log file, maybe this the problem so I can't load the pt keymap... |
| 18:55.11 | stouset | rikva: What are you running? |
| 18:55.22 | stouset | drcode: What's the question? |
| 18:55.23 | rikva | stouset: ehh, debian? ;-) sarge |
| 18:55.24 | technos | drcode: Normal ssh tunnel not flexible enough? |
| 18:55.29 | stouset | rikva: I mean as far as software. |
| 18:55.34 | drcode | I use openvpn |
| 18:55.41 | stouset | drcode: That's not a question. |
| 18:55.49 | rikva | stouset: ah. KDE, firefox, thunderbird, amarok, apollon, gaim, konversation |
| 18:55.50 | drcode | I can connect to my ip at other side vpn but not into the internet |
| 18:55.59 | drcode | I have 2 nic |
| 18:56.09 | drcode | 1 interne |
| 18:56.10 | drcode | t |
| 18:56.21 | stouset | rikva: I know KDE is a memory hog, but that sounds to me like it should fit comfortably under 512MB. |
| 18:56.28 | drcode | 2. local lan |
| 18:56.31 | drcode | 3 tun |
| 18:56.34 | drcode | the vpn IP |
| 18:56.38 | greycat | !tell drcode about enter |
| 18:56.40 | stouset | rikva: can you do a top, then sort by memory by hitting the "m" key? |
| 18:56.53 | stouset | rikva: Tell me what the highest process under there is |
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| 18:57.01 | drcode | I can ping till the IP of the vpn at home |
| 18:57.07 | drcode | but not outside to the internet |
| 18:57.13 | rikva | stouset: famd (?) |
| 18:57.16 | drcode | I use shorewall as fw |
| 18:57.22 | rikva | stouset: never heard of that |
| 18:57.34 | stouset | rikva: It's for monitoring when files are altered. How much %mem is it using? |
| 18:57.41 | technos | Fam.. Oh god. |
| 18:57.50 | drcode | I need to setup iptable or somthing so the vpn can route me outside to the internet? |
| 18:58.00 | rikva | stouset: 0.4% |
| 18:58.00 | stouset | technos: Bah, nothing wrong with fam. |
| 18:58.05 | outlier | Anybody know if Debian Jr is alive or dead? Worth using on a kid's computer? |
| 18:58.08 | stouset | rikva: Argh, "M" not "m" :-) My bad. |
| 18:58.27 | rikva | stouset: np. the highest is now firefox-bin |
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| 18:58.35 | stouset | rikva: Do you open lots of tabs, per chance? |
| 18:58.57 | rikva | stouset: mwoh, 5 |
| 18:59.12 | stouset | rikva: What %MEM? |
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| 18:59.21 | drcode | I will be glad if some one can guide me how I can fix it? |
| 18:59.43 | drcode | My vpn Ip at home 10.8.0.1 |
| 18:59.49 | drcode | local lan: 10.0.100.5 |
| 18:59.50 | rikva | stouset: 6.8% |
| 18:59.50 | stouset | rikva: Firefox AFAIK has a bug where it doesn't release memory from opened tabs until it is closed (and the kernel clobbers all of the memory it was using). I believe it's fixed in CVS, but hasn't been released yet (although I may be wrong). |
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| 19:00.02 | drcode | btw:my local lan client can get into the internet |
| 19:00.06 | stouset | rikva: Can you close firefox entirely, and see what happens? |
| 19:00.07 | rikva | stouset: i heard of that bug too, should be fixed in 1.1 |
| 19:00.12 | drcode | I use masq at shorewall |
| 19:00.14 | stouset | rikva: Also, what is the next highest process there? |
| 19:00.16 | rikva | stouset: done, i get some memory free |
| 19:00.39 | roler | everytime I start X gnome loads up all these applications that I had open before.. I turn off auto-session-saving and they still load on startup.. how do I get them to stop loading up? |
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| 19:00.43 | stouset | Do a "free" and copy/paste the line with -/+ buffers/cache |
| 19:00.46 | rikva | stouset: artsd, that should be because i'm listening to music, after that amarokapp, also the music prog, after that Xfree86 |
| 19:00.53 | stouset | roler: delete the session |
| 19:00.53 | newevmsuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.04 | stouset | roler: Preferences->Sessions |
| 19:01.22 | Wille88 | Why I can't get apic working? I have apic support in my kernel but still /proc/interrupts includes only XT-PICs |
| 19:01.39 | stouset | roler: or, alternatively, close everything you don't want opened next time, and then save THAT session |
| 19:02.07 | roler | ok.. thanks |
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| 19:02.12 | roler | rb |
| 19:02.13 | stouset | roler: np, let me know if it works |
| 19:02.15 | jayc | anyone know how to restart the nfs server on a SCO 5.0 box? |
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| 19:02.39 | stouset | rikva: and after xfree? (also, out of curiosity, how much memory are amarok and arts using?) |
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| 19:02.53 | stouset | brb |
| 19:02.54 | stew | jayc: http://www.sco.com/support/ |
| 19:03.06 | rikva | stouset: i closed amarok, that helped much, he doesnt like 3000 tracks in the pl |
| 19:03.28 | d03boy | can someone remind me how to ssh to a box that doesnt have my username? is it ssh nickname ip.ip.ip.ip? |
| 19:03.30 | rikva | stouset: arts is using 9.7%, and xfree 8.8 |
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| 19:03.50 | shingouz | d03boy: ssh -l user ip |
| 19:03.55 | d03boy | ty |
| 19:04.08 | technos | How many failed installs am I allowed before I get out the hammer? |
| 19:04.13 | rave | ssh user@ip |
| 19:04.17 | greycat | technos: 3 |
| 19:04.21 | rikva | rave: indeed |
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| 19:04.31 | greycat | d03boy: man ssh |
| 19:04.31 | shingouz | technos: A hammer is never a solution. apt-get install caffeine |
| 19:04.34 | technos | greycat: Am I allowed a bigger hammer if I go four? |
| 19:04.37 | RichiH | technos: everyone needs to fuck up a few installs before they are used to debian ;) |
| 19:04.38 | greycat | technos: yes |
| 19:05.11 | RichiH | otoh, with the new installer, many people shockingly don't do anything wrong :p |
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| 19:06.56 | RichiH | and lo behold! the cow soared through the skies and #debian saw the it was good |
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| 19:07.30 | roler | woo that worked |
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| 19:07.54 | roler | ok now, how can I start Eterm without it having an icon in my task bar at the bottom? |
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| 19:09.02 | Schick | Is there any option to tell a "file" it is a "dircetory" on a ext2 formatted hdd? |
| 19:09.17 | stouset | rikva: arts should *not* be using 10% of your available memory |
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| 19:09.50 | stouset | roler: use alternatives |
| 19:09.51 | rikva | stouset: well, it does |
| 19:10.17 | technos_ | As I was about to say before I was rudely oopsed out of my shell session, it's not my familiarity that's the problem. It's the arch and the relative supportedness of the machine. :/ |
| 19:10.42 | roler | oyi........ |
| 19:11.14 | roler | stouset ; well gnome-terminal wont do what I want without devilspie... Can't use root-tail because i'm using nautilus... So what else is there? |
| 19:11.22 | roler | root-tail is awesome though |
| 19:11.24 | stouset | rikva: Hm...I would consider filing a bug with the maintainer. I assume esd and artsd provide similar functionality, and the RSS of esd is 592...barely anything at all. |
| 19:11.30 | apfel | Is there an alternative to amule? |
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| 19:11.40 | stouset | roler: no, no, no, use alternatives as in /etc/alternatives |
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| 19:11.53 | cirkit | hi guys im doing a net install of debian sarge |
| 19:11.56 | roler | aahhahaha |
| 19:11.56 | cirkit | im leaving slackware |
| 19:12.01 | cirkit | to many problems with it |
| 19:12.10 | Fo | cirkit : what problems ? |
| 19:12.16 | cirkit | glib for one |
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| 19:12.30 | cirkit | and than suddenly just earlier my perms were changed |
| 19:12.31 | stouset | roler: the x-terminal-emulator alternative. Or, you can make it so GNOME uses eterm as its default terminal (preferred applications under preferences). |
| 19:12.33 | cirkit | i dont have any idea how |
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| 19:12.43 | stouset | roler: and then right clicking on the desktop and saying open terminal will open whatever you chose |
| 19:12.50 | cirkit | but anyways i installed ubuntu on my laptop last night and i like debian |
| 19:12.57 | cirkit | so im installing debian on my main box |
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| 19:13.05 | rikva | stouset: i'll think about it. btw, is it normal that famd uses 80% cpu? |
| 19:13.14 | stouset | rikva: ...no, not at all |
| 19:13.23 | rikva | damn, whats wrong with my system |
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| 19:13.31 | cirkit | its rebooting into the new debian system |
| 19:13.37 | cirkit | is net install a piece of cake? |
| 19:14.04 | roler | hmm |
| 19:14.07 | Fo | cirkit : sarge is a good choice |
| 19:14.20 | versuchsanstalt | what's the easiest way to check the timestamp of a file that's accessible by http from a shellscript? I am looking at wget and feel like i miss something. |
| 19:14.34 | Fo | cirkit : yes -> apt-get install [package] |
| 19:14.35 | stouset | rikva: famd is using 0% on my system |
| 19:14.44 | rikva | hmm |
| 19:15.09 | versuchsanstalt | i don't want to download the whole file before i know it's new. |
| 19:15.09 | roler | i don't see how the alternatives links can help me in making Eterm hide from the taskbar at the bottom |
| 19:15.19 | stouset | rikva: Although I presume that the amount of CPU that famd takes is proportional to the number of files/directories it is instructed to monitor. |
| 19:15.29 | RichiH | versuchsanstalt: you could use ftp and expect or net::ftp |
| 19:15.31 | stouset | roler: ohhh, I thought you meant something else |
| 19:15.36 | bbrazil | versuchsanstalt: wget has an option for mirroriing that does something like that |
| 19:15.40 | Fo | cirkit : your installing just a standard packages, that without debian wont work, and when you have your standard version of woody/sarge - your just apt'ing for packages which you want |
| 19:15.45 | stouset | roler: thought you meant you wanted eterm to open by default in GNOME =\ |
| 19:16.01 | versuchsanstalt | bbrazil: yes, maybe i should try that. these are image files anyway |
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| 19:16.14 | rikva | stouset: i think it has to do with amarok, dealing with 3000+ tracks :| |
| 19:16.14 | versuchsanstalt | bbrazil: so no problem with recursion |
| 19:16.18 | versuchsanstalt | true. |
| 19:16.19 | roler | stouset ; nope hehe... You boggled my mind for a second lol. No I was just trying to make Eterm not show in the bottom... I'm doing a tail -f type thing |
| 19:16.35 | stouset | rikva: Potentially. Restart famd as root. Watch it's CPU/memory usage. |
| 19:16.41 | rikva | ok |
| 19:16.41 | stouset | rikva: Then open amarok and see what happens. |
| 19:17.00 | stouset | roler: aaaah, you want it to not exist in the taskbar? |
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| 19:17.28 | versuchsanstalt | RichiH: no, ftp is not an option. http. |
| 19:18.13 | roler | stouset ;yessum |
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| 19:18.24 | RichiH | versuchsanstalt: well, if you only need it to get the lastest, changed files, wget really is best |
| 19:18.51 | RichiH | versuchsanstalt: if you need the change date & time itself, use an ftp client that supports http protocol and use expect |
| 19:18.53 | stouset | roler: I do not know whether or not it's possible. In fact, knowing how GNOME likes to keep the number of potential options to a minimum, I would venture to say you can't do it. At least, not without a good bit of work. |
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| 19:19.27 | dw1 | sarge, what happened to the dircolors package??? |
| 19:19.31 | versuchsanstalt | RichiH: that sounds complicated. |
| 19:19.37 | roler | ok thanks... maybe i will have to use devilspie.. if it can do it |
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| 19:20.12 | RichiH | versuchsanstalt: not really, no. of course, expect is based on tcl and thus the syntax sucks. but you can whip up easier scripts in no time at all |
| 19:20.21 | _rene_ | dw1: what should have happened with it? looks like removed. it isn't even in sid anymore |
| 19:20.23 | stouset | rikva: any news? |
| 19:20.30 | versuchsanstalt | RichiH: i see your point. |
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| 19:20.36 | dw1 | so how do I get my dir colors? |
| 19:20.41 | rikva | stouset: just finished, famd isnt using more cpu when i start amarokj |
| 19:20.43 | rikva | -j |
| 19:20.44 | _rene_ | err, "normal" via ls |
| 19:20.46 | _rene_ | ? |
| 19:20.50 | versuchsanstalt | thanks for pointing that out. |
| 19:20.57 | Jon | wow ian murdock's block not syndicated by planet.debian.org anymore |
| 19:20.58 | _rene_ | you do not need the dircolors package for that ;) |
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| 19:21.02 | drac | dw1: ls --color |
| 19:21.02 | Jon | s/block/blog/ |
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| 19:21.10 | dw1 | ah?... |
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| 19:21.25 | Nach | Is any maintainer of the gcc pacakge in? |
| 19:21.26 | dw1 | hmm |
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| 19:21.29 | dw1 | have to alias that |
| 19:21.29 | benjamindees | meh, http://irbs.net/internet/postfix/0410/0485.html |
| 19:21.33 | RichiH | versuchsanstalt: basically, you call a program and then 'expect' a return string upon which you do other stuff. like a case statement for interactive cli tools |
| 19:21.33 | cirkit | which window managers does debian sarge come with |
| 19:21.39 | greycat | Nach: in *here*? hahahahaha... |
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| 19:21.52 | elirips | hello people. i was just wondering where my diskspace has gone to, now i've seen that /var/cache/apt/archives is using about 2.5G. Is that normal, or went something wrong? |
| 19:22.01 | greycat | cirkit: apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager |
| 19:22.06 | roler | thanks again |
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| 19:22.13 | Nach | Seems to me whoever compiled the latest g++ 3.4 forgot to enable exception handling |
| 19:22.13 | stouset | rikva: Is the system more responsive? |
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| 19:22.19 | greycat | elirips: apt-get {autoclean,clean} |
| 19:22.25 | rikva | stouset: definately |
| 19:22.26 | RichiH | cirkit: about any that was ever released |
| 19:22.37 | stouset | Nach: more than likely that would have been filed as an RC bug already if it were the case |
| 19:22.38 | syb | elirips: "apt-get --help" will tell you that you probably want to try "apt-get clean" |
| 19:22.44 | stouset | Nach: have you checked the BTS? |
| 19:22.44 | versuchsanstalt | RichiH: i see. I thought in the direction of a command that fetches some headers and pipe through sed |
| 19:22.52 | elirips | greycat: thanks |
| 19:23.02 | technos_ | Nach: The maintainers mostly hang out in other channels, this is the general help channel for newbies. Try email. |
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| 19:23.18 | RichiH | versuchsanstalt: while i am sure such a thing exists, i don't know about it |
| 19:23.29 | elirips | greycat: does apt not cleans "itself"? do i have to run this command manually from time to time? |
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| 19:23.38 | versuchsanstalt | RichiH: might be as easy as telnet, dunno. |
| 19:23.43 | greycat | elirips: right |
| 19:23.53 | elirips | greycat: thanks. |
| 19:24.07 | stouset | elirips: the default action for apt is to keep a cache of all downloaded packages, and delete old ones when new ones are retrieved |
| 19:24.09 | RichiH | versuchsanstalt: it is possible with telnet, of course |
| 19:24.23 | Nach | Well, I could wait, I'm content with using g++ 3.3 for now. Doing g++-3.4 -v doesn't show it to be using sjij, so I guess no exception handling... |
| 19:24.24 | RichiH | versuchsanstalt: i just don't know how and think using a higher level app would be more convenient ;) |
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| 19:24.55 | greycat | Nach: one could always build one's own gcc/g++ into /usr/local |
| 19:25.13 | _rene_ | Nach: hmm? most linux archs use dwarf2... |
| 19:25.29 | dw1 | hah! thanks folks! |
| 19:25.48 | InitMass | which package is needed when installing C programs from source? |
| 19:25.49 | Nach | greycat, I could but I only wanted to use 3.4 for benchmark purposes now |
| 19:25.51 | versuchsanstalt | RichiH: it's for this little thingie here, fwiw: http://www.versuchsanstalt.org/wordpress/?p=15 |
| 19:25.57 | greycat | InitMass: build-essential for starters. |
| 19:26.17 | InitMass | greycat, thanx |
| 19:26.39 | cirkit | Cool the net install for sarge is currenty downloading all packages.. |
| 19:26.49 | MASoft | InitMass, you need GCC and libraries required by your source |
| 19:26.53 | Nach | _rene_, I don't know much about it, but last time I found a build without exception handling, I was told because it wasn't compiled with sjij. Either way, latest 3.4 is terminating instead of handling exceptions |
| 19:26.57 | Fo | cirkit : yep ;) |
| 19:27.11 | _rene_ | Nach: which arch? |
| 19:27.35 | MASoft | cirkit, the other choice is buy them :D |
| 19:27.45 | _rene_ | cirkit: or 14 :P |
| 19:27.47 | cirkit | Fo, I was told that I can replace xfree with xorg |
| 19:27.49 | _rene_ | (sarge) |
| 19:28.00 | cirkit | I like xorg alot better. |
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| 19:28.54 | stouset | cirkit: What's the difference from an end-user perspective? =P |
| 19:29.05 | InitMass | MASoft, doesn't build essentials contain those?= |
| 19:29.07 | _rene_ | slower X :P |
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| 19:29.21 | redby | Hello to all |
| 19:29.22 | greycat | !depends build-essential sarge |
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| 19:29.24 | dpkg | build-essential: depends on libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 3:3.3), g++ (>= 3:3.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.4.1.19) |
| 19:29.50 | greycat | your particular program may require many other libs... |
| 19:29.50 | Nach | _rene_, right now x86 Linux. Last time I came across such a problem was with the win32 x86 cross compiler. Actually the current cross compiler is quite broken, and I've spoken to the package maintainer, and every new release recently is broken in some form or another, being fed up, I found speedblue.org has an apt repository for cross compilers for win32 and a lot more, and my tests show their latest cross compiler for win32 is performing quit |
| 19:29.51 | Nach | e nicely, so I'm using that instead |
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| 19:31.12 | RichiH | versuchsanstalt: ah, for the latest screen shots? |
| 19:31.17 | RnD57 | my graphix wont work in debian! 8) |
| 19:31.26 | versuchsanstalt | RichiH: yep. |
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| 19:31.38 | versuchsanstalt | there's nothing like the sun. |
| 19:31.52 | RnD57 | i tried copying XF86Config[-4] from knoppix.... |
| 19:31.55 | RnD57 | workss not |
| 19:32.00 | RnD57 | no screens found |
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| 19:32.04 | versuchsanstalt | looks nice if called from a loop with a sleep period |
| 19:32.19 | greycat | !details |
| 19:32.20 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 19:32.29 | RnD57 | lol |
| 19:32.33 | RnD57 | ok |
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| 19:33.00 | versuchsanstalt | RichiH: but it's not very convenient for multiple desktops, that's what the --dump option is for |
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| 19:33.21 | cirkit | Once debian is installed, do we need to get a new source.list? |
| 19:33.35 | rave | it will be done automaticly |
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| 19:33.45 | versuchsanstalt | anyway. it's too expensive to download and download when i already have the file. |
| 19:33.46 | RnD57 | i386; Debian 3.0R4; kernel 2.6, i think |
| 19:33.47 | cirkit | Oh ok. |
| 19:33.52 | karsten | cirkit: You should probably take a look at your sources.list and make sure it's what you want. |
| 19:33.54 | rave | with synaptic |
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| 19:33.54 | greycat | RnD57: try sarge instead. |
| 19:33.56 | karsten | cirkit: No need to change it. |
| 19:33.56 | greycat | !d-i RnD57 |
| 19:33.57 | dpkg | RnD57, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:34.15 | cirkit | And sarge is still on the 2.4.X series kernels? |
| 19:34.19 | RnD57 | oh |
| 19:34.28 | greycat | cirkit: yes and no. |
| 19:34.32 | MobyTurbo | cirkit: sarge is 2.4 or 2.6, your choice on install or later |
| 19:34.47 | greycat | just like woody is 2.2 or 2.4. |
| 19:35.04 | RnD57 | ok, mine is woody |
| 19:35.07 | cirkit | NIce |
| 19:35.13 | greycat | !woody hardware support |
| 19:35.13 | dpkg | it has been said that woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 19:35.19 | RnD57 | so iys not 2.6... i guess |
| 19:35.23 | cirkit | Might someone have a link on how I can change xfree to xorg? |
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| 19:35.28 | greycat | cirkit: /topic |
| 19:35.47 | RnD57 | argh.... |
| 19:36.06 | RnD57 | thanxs |
| 19:36.15 | MASoft | RnD57, the Default is 2.4 ! you can change it later ;) |
| 19:36.24 | greycat | MASoft: wrong user. |
| 19:36.30 | RnD57 | nevermind..... i got geforce fx |
| 19:36.35 | RnD57 | not supported ^^^ |
| 19:36.38 | cirkit | is apt-get dist-upgrade pretty well trusted? |
| 19:36.42 | greycat | RnD57: sarge should work. |
| 19:36.46 | RnD57 | ok |
| 19:36.51 | greycat | RnD57: also: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner (for later) |
| 19:36.59 | RnD57 | it took an eternity to download..... 8( |
| 19:37.01 | technos | Nothing is so soothing as a disc drive that doesn't *THUNK* after three that did. |
| 19:37.01 | MobyTurbo | MASoft: that's not accurate, you can make 2.6 the only kernel installed by putting "linux26" as the kernel name for d-i |
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| 19:37.46 | RnD57 | greycat: what's that ?? |
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| 19:38.00 | RnD57 | oh |
| 19:38.01 | RnD57 | pm |
| 19:38.24 | RnD57 | pm dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 19:38.46 | simonrvn | i just realised this, forgive my lameness, but it was frozen in january? holy fuck, it was very late. i remember it releasing in july |
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| 19:39.00 | greycat | !woody |
| 19:39.01 | dpkg | methinks woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 19:39.09 | greycat | yup. frozen jan to july. |
| 19:39.12 | rue_mohr | I set up a new debian system and am a little confused... |
| 19:39.16 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 19:39.21 | stouset | rue_mohr: at? |
| 19:39.27 | simonrvn | that's a long time for s/w |
| 19:39.32 | rue_mohr | seems I'm having problems getting the parts of samba that I need to use it |
| 19:39.40 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: probably Sarge will be frozen July 'till January. ;-) |
| 19:39.47 | rue_mohr | I'v installed samba-client and samba |
| 19:39.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:40.05 | rue_mohr | still cant mount a network drive that I know workes under kno**** |
| 19:40.16 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: i'm curious, are you or have you been a DD? |
| 19:40.17 | rue_mohr | but there is no smbmount on the sytem |
| 19:40.24 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: no |
| 19:40.40 | rue_mohr | stouset, ? |
| 19:40.57 | rue_mohr | its a sarge install |
| 19:41.07 | technos | samba-common installed, rue_mohr? |
| 19:41.19 | rue_mohr | yup |
| 19:41.28 | RnD57 | greycat: what exactly does 'no screens found' mean ? |
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| 19:41.41 | rue_mohr | I preseume smbmount commes from camba-client, but its not here... |
| 19:41.42 | simonrvn | !no screens found |
| 19:41.43 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 19:41.48 | technos | rue_mohr: Try smbfs. |
| 19:41.59 | sylvain_ | hi |
| 19:42.04 | RnD57 | oh |
| 19:42.11 | rue_mohr | mount.sm<tab><tab><tab> :( |
| 19:42.15 | RnD57 | Somewhere with Somthing |
| 19:42.16 | RnD57 | i like it |
| 19:42.17 | streuner | RnD57: what videocard do you have? |
| 19:42.26 | RnD57 | geForce FX |
| 19:42.29 | sylvain_ | how can I kill a lot of apache pid ? I tried pgrep httpd | xargs kill -9 but no effect :/ |
| 19:42.30 | versuchsanstalt | RnD57: ... right were the (EE) is... |
| 19:42.35 | RnD57 | yep |
| 19:42.40 | RnD57 | i read that |
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| 19:42.54 | versuchsanstalt | ... probably... ;-) |
| 19:42.55 | streuner | RnD57: look at xfree86.org, its supported or not |
| 19:43.08 | streuner | RnD57: if not /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 19:43.11 | technos | rue_mohr: apt-get install smbfs ought to do it. Though I thought it was a dep of samba-common. |
| 19:43.24 | rue_mohr | oh I see |
| 19:43.28 | cirkit | im on configuring Exim v4 |
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| 19:43.37 | cirkit | General type of mail config? |
| 19:43.49 | rue_mohr | technos, thought you meant to look for mount.smbfs :) |
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| 19:43.58 | MobyTurbo | streuner: xfree86.org's list might not be accurate, Debian's X strike force has backported drivers from xorg to xfree86 4.3.0 |
| 19:44.08 | RnD57 | ok |
| 19:44.22 | rue_mohr | technos, yay!, now I just have to get used to all this other stuff :) |
| 19:44.37 | streuner | RnD57: and where do you find those infos? |
| 19:44.54 | streuner | MobyTurbo: ^^^^ |
| 19:45.09 | streuner | online |
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| 19:45.11 | greycat | RnD57: run sarge, and it should work, albeit probably without 3d accel. for that, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:45.24 | MobyTurbo | streuner: I don't know, I guess you should just choose "nv" if you're using an nvidia card and see if it works. ;-) |
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| 19:45.51 | streuner | MobyTurbo: according to 'no screens found'? ;-) |
| 19:46.08 | versuchsanstalt | does the oneliner need further interaction? |
| 19:46.09 | MobyTurbo | streuner: "no screens found" can be any number of different errors. |
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| 19:46.41 | versuchsanstalt | uhm, i see the "dpkg-reconfigure", etc. |
| 19:46.46 | RnD57 | streuner: what infos? |
| 19:46.50 | RnD57 | greycat: ok |
| 19:47.00 | RnD57 | greycat: as soon as i d/l it... 8( |
| 19:47.16 | streuner | RnD57: do what greycat told you, that's the best way to get your card working |
| 19:47.21 | ticktoc | i changed fstab mount points and all is well BUT... when I tried to use synaptic and the deb file was on the distro DVD, it could not be found... the apt CDROM method could no longer find the DVD... All other apps using DVD drive apper to work fine... (k3b etc..) |
| 19:47.33 | RnD57 | k |
| 19:47.52 | Neverm1nd | Anyone know anything about serial fax modems? |
| 19:48.21 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 19:48.21 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:48.49 | Neverm1nd | poot |
| 19:48.51 | RnD57 | so what youre saying is that i wasted 7 cds ... |
| 19:48.52 | RnD57 | 8( |
| 19:49.25 | RnD57 | it's prolly a good thing to read a FAQ before d/ling anything |
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| 19:49.34 | RichiH | RnD57: heh |
| 19:50.08 | MobyTurbo | Neverm1nd: if it's a hardware controller modem or an externel modem you'll have no problems, if it's a "win-modem", as most of them are now unless you know otherwise, then there could be propritary drivers or no support at all... |
| 19:50.16 | RnD57 | that's right, laugh about it 8'( |
| 19:50.48 | MASoft | MobyTurbo, There are some Drivers |
| 19:51.01 | Neverm1nd | Im just wondering what the difference between the 250$ external serial and the 15$ external serial that both have faxing capabilities |
| 19:51.06 | MobyTurbo | MASoft: yes, some drivers for certain chipsets, but not all chipsets. |
| 19:51.45 | MobyTurbo | Neverm1nd: if it's an external serial port modem you shouldn't have compatability problems. |
| 19:51.52 | MASoft | MobyTurbo, yes, if you have one other, you must try to make your own driver |
| 19:51.54 | benjamindees | Neverm1nd, supposedly the $$ ones are more compatible with fax machines |
| 19:52.09 | MobyTurbo | MASoft: make your own driver without specs, are you on crack? |
| 19:52.22 | Neverm1nd | hmmm |
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| 19:52.35 | slashzul | DSL is not DEBIAN but DEBIAN doesnt work anyway |
| 19:52.36 | MASoft | MobyTurbo, you can use the Windows drivers ! |
| 19:52.36 | slashzul | quit |
| 19:52.47 | Neverm1nd | more compatible, blah sounds like a load to me |
| 19:52.50 | technos | Neverm1nd: Depends.. The $250 is probably a special use modem |
| 19:53.05 | MobyTurbo | Neverm1nd: you shouldn't have to spend $250, that's a rip-off |
| 19:53.28 | Neverm1nd | I just need a one good enough to work with hylafax and Ill be happy |
| 19:53.29 | benjamindees | Neverm1nd, I've never been able to confirm it, but I have seen fax machines that would refuse to talk to each other |
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| 19:53.55 | xoz | Neverm1nd: stop talking abstract. what's the chipsets. price is not the issue, it's about the driver. |
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| 19:54.10 | RnD57 | what's @@NOPM@@ ? |
| 19:54.14 | cirkit | Does sarge have a update manager? |
| 19:54.18 | ticktoc | ok... can anyone help with apt CDROM method problem? |
| 19:54.21 | RnD57 | [in my XF86Config-4 |
| 19:54.29 | MobyTurbo | cirkit: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:54.30 | MASoft | MobyTurbo, You can buy a Ext. modem with 30-40$ |
| 19:54.37 | Neverm1nd | eh, Id be better off buyin multiple 15$ ones and then using the most compatible |
| 19:54.45 | MobyTurbo | MASoft: true |
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| 19:55.11 | MASoft | ticktoc, what's ur problem ? |
| 19:55.11 | xoz | ticktoc: apt-cdrom add? |
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| 19:55.19 | RnD57 | !@@NOPM@@ |
| 19:55.20 | obtix | when i installed debian there was a window the came up asking me what preinstalled groups of packages i wanted.. is there anyway to get the window to come up again? |
| 19:55.21 | dhuv | hello all |
| 19:55.31 | xoz | ticktoc: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:55.39 | dhuv | i am having problem with my t23 coming back from standby with acip or apm |
| 19:55.43 | MobyTurbo | obtix: tasksel |
| 19:55.56 | MobyTurbo | obtix: or you can do it within aptitude |
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| 19:55.58 | Epix | Hi, i just wanted to say: Debian makes one kick ass server. I have used Fedora and Slackware as servers but debians package manager blows them away. |
| 19:56.13 | obtix | MobyTurbo: thank you sit |
| 19:56.17 | obtix | err sit -> sir |
| 19:56.20 | dhuv | does anyone have any advice, i have been comparing kernel configs with ones that I have found on google in hopes to fix this but still nogo |
| 19:56.52 | MASoft | Epix, What's ur problem ? as you know the first Servers in internet are Redhat, Second are Debian |
| 19:58.04 | MASoft | MASoft, What was your problem with your server ? |
| 19:58.18 | xoz | MASoft: talking to yourself? |
| 19:58.18 | MASoft | Epix, What was your problem with your server ? |
| 19:58.35 | MASoft | xoz, it was a mistake ! |
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| 19:59.07 | cirkit | So installing xorg instead of having xfree is pretty much not recommended and not safe? |
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| 19:59.29 | MASoft | cirkit, you can install xorg ! |
| 19:59.31 | xoz | cirkit: depends on your capability |
| 19:59.34 | MASoft | there isn't any problem ! |
| 20:00.00 | MASoft | cirkit, I think it's safe if you know, what you want to do ! |
| 20:00.00 | greycat | cirkit: we will not support x.org here |
| 20:00.09 | Jon | cirkit: to answer a question you asked an our or so ago, sarge comes with *loads* of window managers. |
| 20:00.36 | obtix | what packages do i need to install the kernel (not the debian way) also so make menuconfig works :-P |
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| 20:00.53 | Jon | obtix: if you don't want to use the debian way, do you even want to use the debian-patched kernels? |
| 20:01.18 | MASoft | Can anyone help me about study in your country in Computer Engineering field ? |
| 20:01.18 | etrius | named complains about rndc.. ;( |
| 20:01.34 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 20:01.48 | KerPlunk | MASoft: drugs are bad. |
| 20:01.56 | KerPlunk | !start a distro war |
| 20:01.57 | dpkg | Rock 0wnz! |
| 20:02.00 | KerPlunk | !start a distro war |
| 20:02.01 | obtix | Jon: no... from the kernel source i know how do install it i know i just some packages on a new clean system... i am doing it for educational purposes pretty much i need to show a prof (who doesnt know) the old school way of doing this stuff |
| 20:02.15 | obtix | Jon: he asked.. ill help him out i guess |
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| 20:02.45 | MASoft | KerPlunk, Distro war for what ? I think all of use choosed Debian :D |
| 20:02.54 | ahammon1 | ? |
| 20:02.54 | MASoft | *us |
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| 20:03.06 | KerPlunk | MASoft: really? |
| 20:03.07 | Jon | obtix: ok, well, get kernel-source-xxx where xxx is probably `uname -r`; then there'll be a tarball in /usr/src, you'd probably want libncurses-dev for make menuconfig, I think build-essential probably covers the other kernel deps |
| 20:03.16 | KerPlunk | I doubt everyoe in here is on debian. |
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| 20:03.34 | Jon | KerPlunk: as long as they can answer debian Qs it doesn't really matter |
| 20:03.37 | MASoft | KerPlunk, why you come in #debian ? so you use Debian ! |
| 20:03.40 | ahammon1 | I like debian for my desktop and other stuff, but there's still no big companies offering to sign off on support. so... not on my production servers... |
| 20:03.49 | KerPlunk | MASoft: No I don't. |
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| 20:04.02 | Jon | ahammon1: the city of munich doesn't agree with you. |
| 20:04.04 | MASoft | KerPlunk, So why you come here ? |
| 20:04.08 | KerPlunk | I use windows 95 |
| 20:04.17 | KerPlunk | I like watching text scroll my screen. |
| 20:04.22 | jcoiron | MASoft: " as you know the first Servers in internet are Redhat, Second are Debian" => I'm looking for a website which such stats, would you know one ? |
| 20:04.22 | xoz | ahammon1: munich germany just decided to use debian in all their machines |
| 20:04.25 | ahammon1 | Jon, the city of munich doesn't loose $10k / second of downtime. |
| 20:04.32 | jcoiron | (serious one, that I can show my boss ) |
| 20:04.34 | Jon | jcoiron: netcraft.com |
| 20:04.34 | MASoft | KerPlunk, Good Choice, I used it 10 years ago :D |
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| 20:04.59 | obtix | Jon: so just those two packages? i did this before and i still feel like i am going to be missing something - oh well thank you! i will be back if i have problems |
| 20:05.01 | ahammon1 | of course, those boxes aren't running linux anyway. AIX+HACMP... |
| 20:05.09 | MASoft | jcoiron, Of course, take a see at www.netcraft.com |
| 20:05.18 | madclicker | anyone here can suggest a good webmail solution? |
| 20:05.25 | ahammon1 | gmail? |
| 20:05.34 | Jon | obtix: off the top of my head, yes - although I have only used the debian approach myself, recently, since 2.6 or so |
| 20:05.37 | sepski | madclicker, imp4/squirrelmail |
| 20:05.41 | greycat | jcoiron: that's rubbish. the first internet servers were put up before *linux* even existed, let alone red hat. |
| 20:05.46 | benjamindees | madclicker, squirrelmail seems popular |
| 20:05.48 | ahammon1 | madclicker: seriously, why run your own? |
| 20:06.08 | madclicker | i am a provider |
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| 20:06.20 | greycat | the first internet servers were probably vaxes |
| 20:06.24 | Jon | ahammon1: yes, but they chose it and have a commercial company for support, which is what you stated didn't exist, hence me bringing them up |
| 20:06.44 | MASoft | jcoiron, but I really don't prefer Redhat ! I think it's not a good choice ! try Debian, Slackware or Gentoo |
| 20:06.45 | sepski | ahammon1, http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 20:06.56 | ahammon1 | madclicker: cyrus imapd / squirrelmail is pretty good |
| 20:06.58 | cirkit | What is bug-buddy? |
| 20:07.05 | Jon | jcoiron: if you are interested in modern-day distro comparisons, http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/03/14/fedora_makes_rapid_progress.html |
| 20:07.06 | greycat | cirkit: a gnome thing. |
| 20:07.08 | cirkit | Its been setting that up for quite some time now. |
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| 20:07.17 | benjamindees | Jon, two companies, even |
| 20:07.30 | ahammon1 | sepski: Novell or IBM are the kind of names that would work for this. RedHat, just barely. |
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| 20:07.39 | Jon | benjamindees: noted, cheers |
| 20:07.50 | jcoiron | well, I'm going to netcraft. com, thanks Jon, greycat, and MASoft |
| 20:07.59 | ahammon1 | I'm not looking for some guy in a garage. There's real money on the line. :) |
| 20:08.11 | etrius | need help with ddns and rndc |
| 20:08.18 | MASoft | jon, Next generation of Redhat is Fedora! but I think it's just Testplatform ! not suitable for Server |
| 20:08.27 | greycat | !redhat |
| 20:08.27 | dpkg | i guess redhat is just a big redHACK! |
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| 20:08.33 | greycat | argh! who did that... |
| 20:08.35 | greycat | !factinfo redhat |
| 20:08.35 | dpkg | redhat -- created by chimun <~dmsantam@p987-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au> at Fri Oct 3 04:28:54 2003 (577 days); it has been requested 173 times, last by greycat, 8s ago. |
| 20:08.41 | benjamindees | ahammon1, so what's wrong with IBM? |
| 20:08.43 | Jon | MASoft: that's not true - 'next gen' redhat is redhat enterprise server |
| 20:09.08 | MASoft | Jon, Next Free Gen. of Redhat :D |
| 20:09.14 | Jon | MASoft: but, read that article - you can see debian's growth is very favourable |
| 20:09.53 | ahammon1 | benjamindees: nothing. just that they're not willing to sign the kind of support contract I need for prices even close to SuSE/Novell |
| 20:09.53 | MASoft | jon, I saw it before ... |
| 20:09.57 | greycat | dpkg, no, redhat is <reply> Red Hat used to be a Free Linux distribution, but their latest incarnation (Red Hat Enterprise) is commercial. Their Free development branch (Fedora) takes the place of what most people used to use Red Hat for. See also <redhack>. |
| 20:09.57 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:10.26 | greycat | dpkg, redhat =~ s/redhack/roothat/ |
| 20:10.26 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 20:10.27 | xoz | it's not about popularity.. it is about using rpm vs apt. rpm simply sucks no matter what. |
| 20:10.28 | greycat | that one. |
| 20:10.36 | ahammon1 | benjamindees: sadly, debian changes too much and nobody reputable will write a contract at 4x9's for it. |
| 20:10.45 | Jon | xoz: agreed |
| 20:10.53 | caphuso | changes too much?!? |
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| 20:11.12 | caphuso | i don't think i've ever heard anyone complain about debian changing too much... |
| 20:11.14 | greycat | Jon: doesn't playing with one of them void the warranty? |
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| 20:11.20 | MobyTurbo | ahammon1: Debian stable changes less than Red Hat |
| 20:11.22 | Jon | caphuso: I guess if he means testing or sid... |
| 20:11.23 | Epix | Hmm. How do i change the editor mutt uses |
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| 20:11.26 | Epix | I want emacs |
| 20:11.27 | mateusz | How to add access in fstab and make user able to mount ntfs ?? |
| 20:11.27 | xoz | ahammon1: woody has been here for 3 years... talking about change? |
| 20:11.30 | Jon | greycat: I wonder |
| 20:11.32 | greycat | Epix: export EDITOR=emacs |
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| 20:11.34 | benjamindees | lol @caphuso |
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| 20:11.40 | mateusz | cause I get it mounted with r-x------ |
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| 20:11.41 | Jon | greycat: mind you, since I arrived ~6 months ago, we've got debian on one test box |
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| 20:11.44 | mateusz | Any help ? |
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| 20:11.51 | MobyTurbo | brb |
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| 20:11.53 | greycat | mateusz: /msg dpkg vfstrw |
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| 20:11.54 | MASoft | mateusz, easily ! |
| 20:11.55 | greycat | mateusz: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 20:11.57 | greycat | damned fingers! |
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| 20:12.06 | shingouz | mateusz: /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 20:12.07 | MASoft | mateusz, vi /etc/fstab |
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| 20:12.16 | madclicker | what about horde and imp? |
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| 20:13.01 | kombi | what's the command again to 'writeThis' into thisNewFile? |
| 20:13.06 | sepski | madclicker, you jsut have to try them out, they all have their pros and cons |
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| 20:13.19 | caphuso | kombi: echo writeThis > thisNewFile |
| 20:13.31 | kombi | caphuso: thaaaanks! |
| 20:13.45 | greycat | maybe even jaVa. |
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| 20:13.55 | RichiH | heh |
| 20:13.57 | riddley | At LISA last year, BDale talked about a site that had an archive of close to "every debian package ever" so that if you need a specific version of a package, they might have it... anyone know the URL for that site? |
| 20:14.06 | greycat | riddley: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:14.08 | becausjp | any1 tried ubuntu? |
| 20:14.08 | RichiH | greycat: i_tend_to_agree |
| 20:14.21 | shingouz | becausjp: #ubuntu |
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| 20:14.31 | riddley | greycat, thanks. |
| 20:14.34 | jcole | does tasksel Desktop selection do gnome or kde? |
| 20:14.37 | mateusz | greycat, thx |
| 20:14.42 | caphuso | jcole: both |
| 20:14.46 | Jon | becausjp: I tried the hoary livecd today but ended up rebooting mid-way into the boot out of frustration, took almost as long as d-i did to install sarge |
| 20:15.19 | becausjp | I just running it isn't that bad, almost gnome gui like windows |
| 20:15.28 | cirkit | I got some code: 0F 0B 92 00 10 9c 21 c0 /usr/bin/scrollkeeper-rebuilddb : line 48:14302 segmentation fault : scrollkeeper-upate quiet verbose |
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| 20:15.45 | shingouz | becausjp: Excellent. #ubuntu |
| 20:15.46 | cirkit | under all that i have Setting up bug-buddy |
| 20:15.49 | becausjp | I only gonna kick out the window manager KDE and Gnome |
| 20:15.50 | jcole | caphuso: is tasksel Desktop just the "apt-get install gnome kde" packages? |
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| 20:16.07 | i3dmaster | Is there anyway to pull the CPU SN/ID info from Linux? |
| 20:16.11 | becausjp | Will try to install Blackbox /Fluxbox |
| 20:16.11 | Jon | becausjp: probably easiest to not select desktop environment, then, and do manual package selection after |
| 20:16.19 | cirkit | awwwww man |
| 20:16.21 | shingouz | i3dmaster: /proc/cpuinfo maybe |
| 20:16.23 | caphuso | jcole: tasksel --task-packages desktop |
| 20:16.26 | cirkit | how did i get segmentation fault |
| 20:16.29 | cirkit | man |
| 20:16.36 | i3dmaster | shingouz: no, it doesn't have that info |
| 20:16.41 | Jon | cirkit: check BTS, try a stack-trace? |
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| 20:17.32 | kingsley_ | How often should /etc/crontab fetch mail for a desktop system? |
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| 20:17.32 | Jon | i3dmaster: cpuid rings a bell |
| 20:17.32 | jcole | caphuso: wow, thanks man, that is extrememly useful |
| 20:17.32 | Jon | i3dmaster: maybe I saw it in a kernel .config |
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| 20:17.44 | becausjp | ubuntu takes major amount of diskspace not? |
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| 20:17.56 | i3dmaster | Jon: that doesn't seem a basic Linux cmd. |
| 20:17.57 | Jon | becausjp: you'd want x-window-system-core and fluxbox packages, say |
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| 20:18.14 | Jon | i3dmaster: oh no sorry, the *string* rings a bell. either saw it in proc somewhere or in a kernel .config as an option |
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| 20:18.29 | becausjp | yep, if you have a public ftp which I can add or packages for sudo apt-get |
| 20:18.33 | i3dmaster | Jon: ok |
| 20:18.43 | shingouz | Jon: Whatever Ubuntu does is not what Debian does. becausjp: For information on Ubuntu you shoudl join #ubuntu |
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| 20:19.03 | becausjp | Okidoki will do, have also woody running |
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| 20:19.24 | Jon | shingouz: erm why are you aiming that at me |
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| 20:19.47 | i3dmaster | Jon: could not find it from either .config or /proc.. just did a search and see nothing |
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| 20:20.05 | Jon | i3dmaster: oh sorry then, no more clues |
| 20:20.17 | shingouz | Jon: Because you were telling someone on Ubuntu how to make stuff work on Debian. Most probably the stuff works on Ubuntu but there is always the possibilty that it won't |
| 20:20.27 | i3dmaster | Jon: np |
| 20:20.30 | Jon | shingouz: ah right ok - didn't realise he was using ubuntu |
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| 20:21.02 | RnD57 | i'm no deity |
| 20:21.03 | i3dmaster | shingouz: doesn't matter at all |
| 20:21.06 | jcole | caphuso: fyi, a bit reduntant though.. gimp, mozilla-browser, etc. are all already a part of the gnome package |
| 20:21.08 | RnD57 | fine |
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| 20:21.32 | HericSandro | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 20:21.40 | HericSandro | o que é isso??? |
| 20:21.45 | jcole | caphuso: ah, but maybe not on sarge or woody |
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| 20:21.56 | caphuso | HericSandro: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:22.20 | cirkit | Damn I have to redo the install and the apt-get part says failed to access the debian archive |
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| 20:23.35 | HericSandro | ok |
| 20:23.41 | jcole | !reinstall |
| 20:23.42 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
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| 20:24.52 | technos | Hrm.. Stupid new kernel, heh |
| 20:25.11 | HericSandro | server is busy? |
| 20:25.19 | HericSandro | very slow |
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| 20:26.17 | Crell | Hi, folks. I'm having a problem compiling a kernel. Recently when I tried to upgrade to 2.6.11.x, the make-kpkg command is bombing out with a segfault part way through. |
| 20:26.19 | cirkit | i need apt config HTTP proxy to access the outside world? |
| 20:26.31 | HericSandro | aqui tem brasileiros? Have Brasilian? |
| 20:26.34 | greycat | cirkit: we don't know. do you? |
| 20:26.37 | shingouz | !br |
| 20:26.37 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:26.39 | cirkit | it doesnt wanna connect |
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| 20:26.42 | Crell | I also tried it on my old 2.6.10 source directory and had the same problem there, and tried just using make instead of make-kpkg, same result. |
| 20:26.49 | cirkit | keeps failing to connect apt-get |
| 20:26.49 | Jon | hmm alsa is slick. can anyone advise for/against/how-to add sound cards to the alsa packages in sarge? |
| 20:26.59 | stew | cirkit: run apt-setup and try a different mirror |
| 20:27.02 | greycat | cirkit: *are* you behind a proxy? or not? |
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| 20:27.07 | benjamindees | cirkit, how are you accessing the net? |
| 20:27.10 | cirkit | just router |
| 20:27.32 | Crell | Every time, it dies on a different module, though. So it seems to me like a gcc issue. Anyone have any ideas? I'm running sid, which is gcc 3.3.5-5 |
| 20:27.38 | Crell | er, 3.3.5-3 |
| 20:27.48 | greycat | cirkit: then you've got no proxy. so using one would be a bit of a fruitless endeavor. |
| 20:27.52 | benjamindees | cirkit, perhaps you need a dns server entry |
| 20:28.03 | HericSandro | fui |
| 20:28.10 | technos | Hrm.. |
| 20:28.15 | cirkit | Failed to access Debian archive |
| 20:28.20 | Morvok_ | does anyone know of cheap and effective cooling strategies for summer time computing besides dumping all my computer in a big freezer? |
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| 20:28.28 | cirkit | dpkg was interrupted |
| 20:28.48 | dfzi | Morvok_, water cooling? although it's not very cheap |
| 20:28.57 | batman | move to sibiria , realy cheap place |
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| 20:29.05 | benjamindees | Morvok, the cheapest cooling method is evaporative cooling ponds |
| 20:29.05 | cirkit | dpkg --configure -a to fix it |
| 20:29.12 | cirkit | but i dont know where that goes too |
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| 20:29.28 | greycat | cirkit: it configures all pending packages. |
| 20:29.30 | technos | Hrm... Finally got it to install, yaay pulling the spinup jumper. |
| 20:29.32 | shingouz | cirkit: On the commandline |
| 20:29.37 | technos | Now the damn thing hangs. |
| 20:29.43 | r3v | if I want to install something that requires j2re, but I got that from java.sun.org in binary format, how can I apt-get programs that depend on having java installed? |
| 20:29.53 | greycat | r3v: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:30.19 | Ich | r3v: i wish that it really made sense what java was doing. |
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| 20:30.24 | Morvok_ | hrm.. |
| 20:30.28 | Crell | No one else has seen this problem? |
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| 20:30.38 | madclicker | anyone here had any luck setting up horde3 on sarge? |
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| 20:30.52 | sepski | madclicker, working on it.. workin on it |
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| 20:31.11 | madclicker | sepski: u 2? |
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| 20:31.45 | sepski | madclicker, just started, gotten as far as getting the packages installed and am making the mysql backend now |
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| 20:32.14 | r3v | greycat: thanx |
| 20:32.23 | Lee__ | how would I totally destroy all the data on a disk, including MBR? |
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| 20:32.26 | HericSandro | debia=knoppix? |
| 20:32.33 | madclicker | sepski: tell me when u get some sort of a web interface, i've been on it seince last night |
| 20:32.35 | r3v | greycat: dunno why i didn't start there, I normally ask dpkg everything first :) |
| 20:32.39 | shingouz | HericSandro: DEbian != Knoppix |
| 20:32.52 | HericSandro | ya |
| 20:32.58 | sepski | madclicker, probably not tonight it's getting late here, whats your problem ? |
| 20:32.59 | Lee__ | I'm stuck on this disk that says it has both DOS and BSD "magic". I don't want it to have any magic. |
| 20:33.11 | HericSandro | is right |
| 20:33.22 | shingouz | heh:) |
| 20:33.33 | benjamindees | cirkit, what are you installing? testing? you get segfaults? have you tested your memory? |
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| 20:33.52 | madclicker | it is installed in /usr/share/horde3 but i get a whole bunch of errors on vhost file when i point to it |
| 20:34.06 | cirkit | i keep getting kernel errors! |
| 20:34.21 | cirkit | unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address |
| 20:34.23 | cirkit | omg |
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| 20:34.56 | HericSandro | shingouz, were u from? |
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| 20:35.19 | shingouz | HericSandro: /whois me if oyu really need to know |
| 20:35.24 | rue_mohr | maybe I should just stay here :) |
| 20:35.49 | shingouz | rue_mohr: This is safer than being on the street... :) |
| 20:36.05 | rue_mohr | ok, question 101: I need a complete dependency list for the package... 'dhcp' how can I get that? |
| 20:36.14 | cirkit | why would i be getting kernel errors |
| 20:36.17 | cirkit | makes no sense |
| 20:36.22 | shingouz | rue_mohr: apt-cache show dhcp |
| 20:36.23 | Epix | rue_mohr, well, can you apt-get it? |
| 20:36.24 | cirkit | i cant even do net install |
| 20:36.28 | HericSandro | shingouz, ok. |
| 20:36.30 | cirkit | segmentation fault |
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| 20:36.40 | rue_mohr | I have to build a system from 'scratch' |
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| 20:36.56 | shingouz | cirkit: Sid with a very recent kernel... bad news |
| 20:37.34 | Epix | muine is seging... why? |
| 20:37.35 | rue_mohr | shingouz, ok, but that just shows me the first level deps... I need the _WHOLE_ tree |
| 20:37.48 | Epix | i have no more info |
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| 20:37.56 | Epix | i try an play a song and it segs |
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| 20:38.19 | shingouz | rue_mohr: In that case I think you have to go trough them all unless apt-cache has some obscur-o-matic option |
| 20:38.27 | rue_mohr | hmmm |
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| 20:39.31 | rue_mohr | how about this.... I'm running sarge, I need to make a sarge router. I need particular programs, with nothing extra. can I trick my current system into thinking nothing is installed, and get it to auto dependency and 'download only' all the packages I will need? |
| 20:39.32 | benjamindees | rue_mohr, try apt-rdepends perhaps |
| 20:39.43 | rue_mohr | ooo or that |
| 20:39.46 | Morvok_ | the hosing and circulation pump would probably cost as much as another air conditioner. |
| 20:40.23 | rue_mohr | YES! |
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| 20:40.41 | rue_mohr | sweeeeeeeeeeeeet! thanks benjamindees !!! |
| 20:40.43 | pder | HAI to u dears of SOLARES. how i can pass exam?? |
| 20:40.52 | greycat | are you fucking kidding me? |
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| 20:40.56 | benjamindees | !confuse pder |
| 20:40.57 | dpkg | No, where is our pineapple yesterday, pder? breeches of the people's republic of micronesia with extra ham |
| 20:41.01 | shingouz | Ahh.. time for a wardrive. |
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| 20:42.39 | pder | !confuse greycat |
| 20:42.40 | dpkg | Yes, how was your ferret today, greycat? lederhosen of the republic of micronesia with extra crabpaste |
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| 20:44.06 | streuner_ | !fuck pder |
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| 20:44.24 | pder | !fuck streuner_ |
| 20:44.42 | streuner_ | oh, with random this time :-) |
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| 20:45.03 | greycat | dpkg's CMD: fuck (.*?) has always been random. |
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| 20:45.20 | Phated | But it got improved! :) |
| 20:45.48 | streuner_ | greycat: it usually output the result pder gave me ;-) |
| 20:46.22 | greycat | "like a crazed badger in heat with a dildo" is a fairly uncommon phrase. |
| 20:46.31 | mops_ | how it is possible that syslogd logs on tty if NOTHING is written in syslog.conf to be written on tty? |
| 20:46.35 | pder | !fuck greycat |
| 20:46.42 | greycat | !tell streuner_ about literal CMD: fuck (.*?) |
| 20:46.52 | mops_ | that messages are about packets - |
| 20:47.00 | mops_ | iptables -A INPUT -j LOG |
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| 20:47.16 | mops_ | in which category are these messages please? |
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| 20:47.41 | Durin | mops_: its klogd |
| 20:48.00 | mops_ | durin: so how can I command him: |
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| 20:48.07 | mops_ | "klogd log here"? |
| 20:48.13 | Durin | add option -c4 |
| 20:48.32 | mops_ | ok, I will read the man page tommorow |
| 20:48.40 | mops_ | durin: cause I had a problem: |
| 20:48.55 | mops_ | this logging on terminal wasn't |
| 20:48.57 | drac | mops_: KLOGD="-c 2" in /etc/init.d/klogd, and then force-reload it. |
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| 20:49.26 | mops_ | while I did this: /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 20:49.30 | mops_ | drac: ok |
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| 20:49.42 | Morvok_ | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
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| 20:49.48 | MASoft | I really love FEDORA !!! |
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| 20:50.00 | drac | Morvok_: Stop that. |
| 20:50.10 | Morvok_ | stop what? |
| 20:50.17 | drac | That a guess. |
| 20:50.19 | drac | take |
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| 20:51.47 | MASoft | Morvok_, I wrote that command ! nothing going on ! what was that ? |
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| 20:53.29 | Morvok_ | hit ctrl+c now! |
| 20:54.03 | Epix | Morvok_, it didnt work.. .:( :P |
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| 20:54.16 | arioch | /to |
| 20:54.18 | arioch | pic |
| 20:54.21 | arioch | er |
| 20:54.29 | dondelelcaro | Morvok_: randomly suggesting that people zero out there harddrive is a K-lineable offense on this network. |
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| 20:56.31 | freedrive | Hey, have you guys heard of: http://www.freecardatabase.info/dir187/jarvis.html ? |
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| 20:56.48 | simonrvn | @lart Morvok 1 000 000 times |
| 20:57.01 | freedrive | Hey, have you guys heard of: http://www.freecardatabase.info/dir187/jarvis.html ? |
| 20:57.04 | ryan` | @lart Morvok_ |
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| 20:58.18 | pepsi_ | is the current working directory defined by $PWD or does $PWD merely reflect what should be the current working dir? |
| 20:58.33 | ryan` | fscking spammers. |
| 20:58.56 | ryan` | Sodimize them with curling irons. |
| 20:59.08 | ryan` | or soldering irons |
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| 20:59.46 | bisy0 | pepsi_: presumably in a particular shell it simply returns whatever getcwd() would. |
| 20:59.47 | obtix | ok, i am trying to compile the kernel from scratch (yeah i know, not the debian way) and when i do my make-kpkg --revision=whatever kernel_image i get a make modinst_post error and it stops followed by a real_stamp_image error what package am i missing? |
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| 21:00.13 | pepsi_ | bisy0: yea.. thats what I can figure out from the strace.. |
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| 21:00.57 | valdyn | pepsi_: run "export PWD=/" |
| 21:01.00 | xoz | obtix: try apt-get install auto-apt |
| 21:01.01 | pepsi_ | bisy0: If I run bash from a shell, change the dir, exit, the pwd is "restored".. So I figured PWD held the current working dir |
| 21:01.15 | pepsi_ | valdyn: thank you :) |
| 21:01.22 | obtix | xoz: thank you, i will try it now |
| 21:01.23 | jonz | I've added maillog to logrotate.conf, but it seems to be getting rotated by something else, and with different permissions. is there somewhere else i need to be looking? |
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| 21:02.51 | bisy0 | pepsi_: I'd guess getcwd() maps to a system call, and is specific to a thread, thus exiting the a shell returns you to your parents environment and thus PWD, whilst exec'ing would retain the thread state and PWD. |
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| 21:03.57 | karsten | pepsi_: More to the point: parents don't inherit their childrens environment, including PWD. |
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| 21:04.37 | pepsi_ | karsten: got it, thx |
| 21:04.47 | karsten | pepsi_: If you want to change directory for the current process, you'll need to run the command (cd) directly, via an alias, or via a shell fuction, all of which operate on the current process, not its child. |
| 21:05.30 | MASoft | karsten, what do u think about fedora ? |
| 21:05.40 | valdyn | !fedora |
| 21:05.40 | dpkg | fedora is probably Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information |
| 21:05.58 | RnD57 | is it ok to install base sarge and use packages from the woody distro? |
| 21:06.09 | valdyn | RnD57: no |
| 21:06.14 | karsten | MASoft: As little as possible. |
| 21:06.15 | RnD57 | argh |
| 21:06.16 | RnD57 | why? |
| 21:06.29 | MASoft | RnD57, some of theme are compatible, but the most of them, NO |
| 21:06.37 | RnD57 | ok |
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| 21:06.48 | guislave | RPM distros are evil |
| 21:06.49 | karsten | RnD57: No. IIRC there's a libc6 upgrade in there. |
| 21:07.12 | karsten | MASoft: For the longer form of that discussion, google "Why Debian Rocks" |
| 21:07.13 | RnD57 | ? |
| 21:07.28 | karsten | RnD57: Misfire |
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| 21:07.44 | RnD57 | aha... |
| 21:07.47 | valdyn | RnD57: why the hell would you even want to try this? |
| 21:07.48 | karsten | RnD57: Um. No, misfired misfire.... |
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| 21:08.17 | karsten | RnD57: libc6 == major system library == incompatible between base woody and base sarge. In general, don't mix stable & (testing|unstable). |
| 21:08.18 | Fawkes | Greetings! |
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| 21:08.29 | karsten | RnD57: You _can_ generaly mix testing/unstable via pinning. |
| 21:08.31 | MASoft | Which one is faster ? Slackware or Debian ? |
| 21:08.37 | RnD57 | valdyn: i have 7 cds of woody, and a geForce FX video... |
| 21:08.39 | ruied | what is the main difference between pptp and ipsec? |
| 21:08.43 | Crell | For what definition of faster? |
| 21:08.50 | karsten | MASoft: Try them and tell us. |
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| 21:09.08 | karsten | MASoft: Wherefor the stupid questions? |
| 21:09.11 | zorton | how would I configure an interface in /etc/network/interfaces that has no IP address? for example eth1 which is needed for my pppoe connection to come up |
| 21:09.32 | MASoft | karsten, it's because I'm very happy :P |
| 21:09.37 | ruied | I would like to make a vpn, but do not know is I shoul use a pptp or ipsec, I need some opinions... |
| 21:09.40 | jonz | hmm strange, if I run logrotate manually it gets created with the right permissions, so something's got to be changing maillog's perms |
| 21:09.44 | Cyis | faster distro? that's kinda relative... a lot like which chick in the bar is hotter, it's relative to how many drinks you've had |
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| 21:09.49 | RnD57 | karsten: unsafe? |
| 21:09.59 | valdyn | MASoft: distros arent faster than each other, generally |
| 21:10.05 | karsten | zorton: dhcp |
| 21:10.22 | Fawkes | Does anybody here have any suggestions as to how I find out why my Linux box has an excessively high iowait average, and whether it's causing the distinctly poor performance I'm noticing from it? |
| 21:10.22 | MASoft | valdyn, They could be ! |
| 21:10.23 | karsten | RnD57: Things Will Break[tm] |
| 21:10.34 | karsten | Fawkes: vmstat, iostat, top, ps |
| 21:10.35 | zorton | karsten: well, the interface dosen't pick an ip using dhcp, I get an IP from the ppp connection later |
| 21:10.52 | RnD57 | system will hang or certain apps will brek? |
| 21:10.56 | RnD57 | *break |
| 21:10.57 | zorton | the current way I make it work is to ssh into the machine and issue 'sudo ifconfig eth1 up' then 'pon dsl-provider' |
| 21:11.01 | Fawkes | karsten: Thanks. |
| 21:11.06 | Cyis | MASoft: essentially every Linux distro uses the same open-source software and the same kernel... so how do you figure one is faster than another? More depends on what speed machine you're putting on to make it faster |
| 21:11.14 | zorton | however i'm leaving town soon and want the machine to 'just work' on boot |
| 21:11.18 | karsten | zorton: Not sure, as I don't use ppoe myself, but in general, if you want to have an IP assigned to you, you get it via dhcp |
| 21:11.34 | zorton | karsten: thanks anyway |
| 21:11.35 | MASoft | Cyis, as I know, Debian kernel patched but Slackware, not ! |
| 21:11.50 | valdyn | MASoft: none of these patches is for speed |
| 21:12.00 | Durin | zorton: i added an 'up /sbin/ifconfig eth1 up' to eth0 in interfaces |
| 21:12.28 | MASoft | valdyn, What are them for ? |
| 21:12.29 | Cyis | MASoft: and RedHat has always patched kernels... However as valdyn stated I don't believe they are patches for speed... Debian's patches are to maintain the DFSG |
| 21:12.35 | zorton | Durin: that's what I was curious about, where in interfaces did you do that? |
| 21:12.43 | zorton | Durin: looking at the man page it wasn't obvious |
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| 21:12.54 | valdyn | MASoft: security, bug fixes, licensing issue fixes |
| 21:12.59 | derflo | zorton: debian? |
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| 21:13.09 | cirkit | If i dont pick manual package selection will debian install all packages? |
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| 21:13.16 | Durin | zorton: just like any other command (netmask, gateway, ...) |
| 21:13.20 | karsten | cirkit: No. |
| 21:13.30 | zorton | derflo: testing |
| 21:13.33 | karsten | cirkit: It installs minimal packages. You install the ones you want later. |
| 21:13.41 | derflo | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:13.46 | karsten | cirkit: This is actually a recommended route. |
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| 21:13.56 | derflo | there's a "auto" line |
| 21:14.48 | karsten | zorton: FYI, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ contains examples of various network configurations, look there for what you want. |
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| 21:15.37 | cirkit | And once im in the pacakge selection im assuming presssing G will install all packages |
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| 21:15.47 | derflo | if you're using dsl, you should also be able to find a doc for pppoe |
| 21:15.55 | cirkit | doing manual select auto picks all packages seems like |
| 21:16.02 | karsten | cirkit: It will install the packages you've selected for install. |
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| 21:16.20 | karsten | cirkit: It's not *possible* to install _all_ packages in Debian, some conflict with each other. |
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| 21:17.08 | sybariten | there isnt a specific channel where you can get help with apt-get issues is there ? |
| 21:17.09 | cirkit | Hmm whats the name of the package manager for debian that will allow me to install any more pacakges i didnt install before? |
| 21:17.20 | valdyn | sybariten: this channel |
| 21:17.41 | karsten | Fawkes: FYI, iostat/vmstat output w/ notes: http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/svlug/2005-April/049619.html |
| 21:17.43 | streuner_ | sybariten: as long as you using debian |
| 21:17.44 | MASoft | sybariten, I think this channel is for that ! |
| 21:17.46 | derflo | cirkit: apt-get ??? |
| 21:18.04 | Durin | cirkit: dselect, aptitude |
| 21:18.15 | cirkit | Oh ok... |
| 21:18.16 | bisy | cirkit: synaptic |
| 21:18.18 | dabreegster | cirkit: dselect, aptitude, or synaptic |
| 21:18.26 | cirkit | Ah, nice :D |
| 21:18.27 | sybariten | no, i'm afraid i am not, its a debian derivative which generally leads to read-the-fucking-manual-discussions .... |
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| 21:18.48 | streuner_ | sybariten: what distro do you use? |
| 21:18.53 | MASoft | cirkit, may the best way is use apt-get install packagename ! |
| 21:19.05 | valdyn | sybariten: ask a apt-get question then you might get help, ask a <random other distro> question than you wont |
| 21:19.07 | sybariten | ah that was a wrecked sentence. s/i am/it is |
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| 21:19.19 | cirkit | MASoft, all repositories are done during install? |
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| 21:19.50 | sybariten | streuner: its damnsmall, which is knoppix based, which in its turn is debian based |
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| 21:20.03 | MASoft | cirkit, It's depend on how u install ! |
| 21:20.03 | sybariten | valdyn: ok i will try to formulate it |
| 21:20.05 | streuner_ | valdyn: your turn :-) |
| 21:20.55 | zorton | that worked lovely, thank you everyone |
| 21:21.29 | sybariten | "libxext-dev: Depends: libxext6 (= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 21:21.50 | derflo | apt-get install libxext6 |
| 21:21.58 | sybariten | i could ask like this, first. Generally, when apt says "libxext-dev: Depends: libxext6 (= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1) but it is not going to be installed" ... does that mean it failed somewhere, or is apt just halting ? |
| 21:22.11 | sybariten | sry about the double quoting there |
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| 21:22.24 | MASoft | cirkit, Also for finding packages you can use apt-cache search whatyouwant |
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| 21:22.31 | valdyn | sybariten: that usually points towards broken depends ( due to your repository ) |
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| 21:22.47 | derflo | sybariten: you coult tell apt to ignore this or you can install the missing package |
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| 21:23.02 | cirkit | MASoft, are the sources.list done already by default? |
| 21:23.06 | sybariten | MASoft: yeah i've found the package and so ... its just that i get a handful of errors like that, mainly library stuff... |
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| 21:23.21 | streuner_ | valdyn: if you going to support other distro you better up in #linux |
| 21:23.28 | streuner_ | distros |
| 21:23.40 | jcole | amazing, abiword can read password word files but open office cannot? |
| 21:23.49 | valdyn | streuner_: that wasnt an offtopic question |
| 21:23.50 | MASoft | cirkit, some done, but for adding CDs you must use apt-cdrom add ! |
| 21:23.54 | jcole | open office is overated |
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| 21:24.10 | streuner_ | valdyn: it is, he said he is not using debian |
| 21:24.26 | streuner_ | and that's OT here |
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| 21:25.15 | chealer | open office is overated because it can't open some word files? |
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| 21:26.22 | jcole | chealer: no, it also takes 150mb ram vs abiword takes 5mb |
| 21:26.40 | chealer | 150 MB RAM... |
| 21:26.53 | jcole | chealer: ya |
| 21:27.04 | MASoft | anyone have 1Gbps internet speed ? |
| 21:27.17 | jcole | chealer: explain that |
| 21:27.21 | chealer | hum |
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| 21:28.02 | sybariten | ok, so when trying to install an app i get for instance the error "libxv-dev: Depends: libxv1" , should i then try and install that package first ? |
| 21:28.14 | sybariten | (this is using apt-get ofcourse) |
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| 21:28.43 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Just out of curiousity I have installed ION3, and running it from the safe-terminal mode. Would it cause problem or miss anything? Thanks |
| 21:28.51 | dambodog | can anyone recommend a good monitoring tool for monitoring a number of machines (hardware, network status) and also a solid apache log analizer? |
| 21:28.55 | derflo | apt-get install libxv-de libxv1 whatever xbill ... |
| 21:28.55 | valdyn | sybariten: you can, but as i already said, the reason is most likely a broken repository or you broken sources.list |
| 21:28.59 | K_Dallas | (is there a repository for it by the way?) |
| 21:29.17 | sybariten | vasldyn: oh ... ok .. then, i must ask, what does repository mean ? |
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| 21:29.41 | derflo | sybariten: could you please do an "apt-get update"? |
| 21:29.47 | valdyn | sybariten: man sources.list, and look at it |
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| 21:30.27 | derflo | valdyn: I has such experiences with unstable |
| 21:30.33 | derflo | err: had |
| 21:30.45 | valdyn | derflo: sure, its unstable |
| 21:30.45 | sybariten | ok ... is a repository one entry on a line in the sources.list ? like, in reality, a site ? |
| 21:30.46 | drac | This is my life. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
| 21:30.59 | astronut | what's a good jukebox program? Amarok seemed pretty nice, but it started blocking the sound resource after a bit and the volume control is for all of PCM, not just the msuic.... |
| 21:31.00 | derflo | directly after a fresh install |
| 21:31.06 | derflo | so I added the deps |
| 21:31.13 | valdyn | sybariten: yea, a debian mirror ( for example ) |
| 21:31.28 | sybariten | and, about sources.list ... is there an "optimal" such file? Is there an optimal server to include, so i get the most packages possible available ? |
| 21:31.36 | valdyn | sybariten: using sid such errors are expected and quite common |
| 21:31.38 | sybariten | or, an optimal list perhaps |
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| 21:31.39 | MASoft | sybariten, may your problem be about your packages ! are your CDs official ? |
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| 21:32.44 | cheal | jcole: sorry, kernel crashed. OOo does seem to be a RAM killer |
| 21:32.44 | valdyn | sybariten: mixing different "distros" would show this too, like mixing debian woody and sarge |
| 21:32.45 | sybariten | derflo: i will do an update. should i look for anything specific or just do it ? |
| 21:33.08 | derflo | sybariten: I have a optimal sources.lst for me, but this woudn't fit for you |
| 21:33.08 | cheal | astronut: amarok blocks the sounds resource only after a bit? |
| 21:33.15 | valdyn | sybariten: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:33.19 | derflo | just type: apt-get update |
| 21:33.33 | sybariten | valdyn: ok ... should i have more than one line/server uncommented in sources.list ? is there any point in me quoting my sources.list to a pastebin or something so you can see ? |
| 21:33.36 | derflo | why an upgrade? |
| 21:33.40 | astronut | cheal: correct |
| 21:33.43 | astronut | cheal: using dmix |
| 21:33.52 | astronut | (alsasink) |
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| 21:33.59 | dambodog | monitoring anyone? |
| 21:34.01 | dambodog | :) |
| 21:34.05 | sybariten | MAsoft: whats the definition of an official CD ? |
| 21:34.07 | cheal | astronut: ah, never use dmix. is it an amarok bug? |
| 21:34.08 | derflo | sybariten: you didn't change anything in that file, or? |
| 21:34.14 | astronut | dunno |
| 21:34.17 | valdyn | sybariten: probably not, just dont mix different "releases" or "distros" |
| 21:34.20 | K_Dallas | sybariten, official as paid for |
| 21:34.21 | sybariten | derflo: i have, before, yes. |
| 21:34.33 | derflo | sybariten: official cds are the ones you by from ME |
| 21:34.44 | derflo | *g |
| 21:35.10 | derflo | sybariten: just do "apt-get update" apt will tell you if somethings wrong with your sources |
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| 21:35.13 | sybariten | derflo: ah, ok but that would be debian right? this is just a small distro ... a damn small one |
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| 21:35.42 | cheal | jcole: writer is taking 65 MB of RAM ATM plus a lot of swap |
| 21:35.48 | kadu | I need some help please. i want to know how i can uninstall gnome and install kde the easyest way. |
| 21:35.50 | derflo | you can have a 5 mb debian-installation as well as a 10Gig install |
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| 21:36.01 | cheal | !tell kadu about remove gnome |
| 21:36.08 | MASoft | sybariten, as u know, SID and Sarge update every week ! |
| 21:36.10 | derflo | kadu: just install kde? |
| 21:36.16 | cheal | kadu: check #debian-kde |
| 21:36.20 | derflo | kadu: not uninstalling gnome? |
| 21:36.22 | streuner_ | valdyn: /join #linux |
| 21:36.37 | tarzeau | i have my uberlarge monolithic lovely diff.gz to the package i did. now people want i make dpatch stuff. can i create one large dpatch somehow of the existing diff.gz ? |
| 21:36.47 | kadu | i want to remove gnome and install kde |
| 21:36.50 | tarzeau | MASoft: the update every day! |
| 21:36.59 | tarzeau | kadu: why not gnustep? |
| 21:37.07 | valdyn | streuner_: nah, sleep time.. |
| 21:37.14 | MASoft | sybariten, may 2 of your cds were from first week, other from the second week ! then may you have a uncompatible versions |
| 21:37.19 | jcole | cheal: crazy, huh? i use the export to pdf in open office alot, but i have the export to pdf in cups already, so i don't really need that feature |
| 21:37.25 | kadu | tarzeau: what is gnustep |
| 21:37.30 | caphuso | tarzeau: because he doesn't have it installed and thus can't remove it ;-) |
| 21:37.36 | MASoft | tarzeau, The official CDs update everyweek in debian.org |
| 21:37.42 | tarzeau | kadu: http://livecd.gnustep.org |
| 21:37.48 | jcole | cheal: i think i'm going to stick with abiword and gnumeric for a while and see how it goes |
| 21:37.51 | tarzeau | MASoft: there's no official cds of sid |
| 21:37.56 | kadu | i just want kde |
| 21:38.01 | cheal | jcole: I agre OOo never impressed in terms of performance |
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| 21:38.08 | tarzeau | kadu: you just don't know |
| 21:38.10 | derflo | kadu: a wm |
| 21:38.10 | kadu | and not gnome because gnome is very stupid. |
| 21:38.18 | tarzeau | kadu: just like kde |
| 21:38.21 | MASoft | tarzeau, I just have exp. with sarge ! |
| 21:38.23 | derflo | kadu: you don't need to uninstall gnome |
| 21:38.30 | dcell | JOIN #ldap |
| 21:38.44 | MASoft | tarzeau, u r right about SID ;) |
| 21:38.49 | PerfDave | Work bad! |
| 21:38.53 | kadu | then can u walk me through it? |
| 21:38.59 | kadu | of how i get kde |
| 21:39.07 | tarzeau | kadu: /msg dpkg ask |
| 21:39.20 | tarzeau | !faq kadu |
| 21:39.21 | dpkg | kadu: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:39.29 | derflo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:39.57 | derflo | kadu: apt-get install kde ? |
| 21:40.23 | kadu | would wajig work? |
| 21:40.25 | MASoft | derflo, I think apt-get install kde-base |
| 21:40.31 | kadu | k |
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| 21:41.24 | derflo | I don't have a package kde-base |
| 21:41.33 | derflo | but i remember there was one |
| 21:41.39 | madclicker | anyone using dovecot for pop3 server? |
| 21:41.43 | obtix | when im trying to compile my kernel it looks like i am having troubles when it gets to the modules... any ideas? missing package? |
| 21:41.45 | MASoft | derflo, kdebase |
| 21:41.49 | derflo | kdebase |
| 21:42.02 | kadu | it gives me error |
| 21:42.05 | sybariten | derflo aaawrite my apt-get update gives the following output http://www.pastebin.com/278808 |
| 21:42.06 | kadu | could not get lock open |
| 21:42.09 | kadu | or somthing |
| 21:42.09 | derflo | yea |
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| 21:42.54 | dabreegster | kadu: apt-get has an error with a lockfile? Are you running another package-management-related program? |
| 21:42.59 | sybariten | my general error when trying to apt-get install some tools looks like this http://www.pastebin.com/278810 |
| 21:43.21 | kadu | ah yes thnx |
| 21:43.46 | sybariten | and finally, my sources.list looks something like this http://www.pastebin.com/278811 |
| 21:43.50 | kadu | it says |
| 21:43.56 | kadu | kde is already newest version |
| 21:44.01 | derflo | apt-get update did fine |
| 21:44.08 | sybariten | is there anything fishy with that ? |
| 21:44.09 | sybariten | ok |
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| 21:44.29 | darsie | Hi! I don't have /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux. MAKEDEV (update) didn't make them. Shall I mknod them manually? Huh? Before I saw a /.dev dir but now it's gone. |
| 21:44.49 | technos | Anyone here ever dealt with the HPPA netboot installer images? |
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| 21:45.14 | derflo | apt-get install driftnet libungif4g libx11-6 libxext6 libxi6 libxrandr2 libxv1 |
| 21:45.33 | MASoft | anyone know a cheap Debian Sarge VPS ? |
| 21:45.35 | derflo | or "man apt" and find out how to solve it in another way |
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| 21:45.48 | cheal | !.dev |
| 21:45.49 | dpkg | from memory, .dev is a by-product of udev |
| 21:46.04 | darsie | hmm |
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| 21:46.26 | cheal | dpkg: no, .dev was a by-product of udev now moved to dev/.static/dev |
| 21:46.33 | kadu | ok |
| 21:46.37 | kadu | its still gnome |
| 21:46.43 | kadu | how do i active kde? |
| 21:46.43 | cheal | dpkg never likes no-s |
| 21:46.56 | kadu | activate* |
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| 21:47.18 | Fawkes | cheal: That seems to be a feature of all the infobots I've encountered. |
| 21:47.34 | MASoft | kadu, what desktop manager do u use ? KDM ? GDM ? |
| 21:47.35 | sybariten | derflo: hmm, didnt know you could give several arguments to apt-get install .... well, it didnt work however. more or less the same errors as before. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:47.44 | kadu | gmd |
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| 21:48.06 | darsie | Hmm, MAKEDEV update hangs with 100% CPU. I'm gonna kill it ... |
| 21:48.12 | MASoft | you can select KDE in SESSION in gdm ! then it goes active |
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| 21:48.16 | Cyis | kadu: select "Session" and pick "KDE" |
| 21:48.18 | derflo | sybariten: at least one package did not succeed |
| 21:48.23 | sybariten | well thats only part of the error msg but thats what it said in the end. the problem could be something about my tar. theres been talk about that on the forums i visit. |
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| 21:48.28 | Cyis | kadu: when it asks if you want to make it your default hit yes |
| 21:48.48 | kadu | wheres session? |
| 21:48.58 | MASoft | before u login ! |
| 21:48.59 | Cyis | kadu: when you're logging in |
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| 21:49.13 | derflo | sybariten: apt DID tell you, where the prob is! |
| 21:49.13 | Cyis | gdm has a "session" menu item |
| 21:49.17 | MASoft | kadu: where you write ur username ... |
| 21:49.21 | kadu | thnx |
| 21:49.21 | kadu | brb |
| 21:49.22 | sybariten | i dont have the real gnu-filetools, instead i have something called busybox and appearently that tar is a bit fishy. and i guess tar is used bu dpkg. however, derflo, could you see anything weird with the sources.list ? |
| 21:49.28 | kingsley | Does a command exist which 1.) deletes a package, but also 2.) upgrades other packages that used to depend on it, or, if they're unavailable, remove them too? |
| 21:49.49 | derflo | i didn't see you sources |
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| 21:49.51 | sybariten | derflo: it did ? what should i look for then ? |
| 21:50.18 | derflo | look at the output |
| 21:50.31 | MASoft | Anyone tested FreeBSD kernel on Debian ? |
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| 21:50.33 | derflo | of apt-get |
| 21:50.36 | soapee01 | I'm having problems w/dovecot and procmail. My index boxes keep getting corrupted. There's a deb bug associated with it, but I don't understand it. Can someone explain ? It reads: "Are those users using procmail? And in MH mode instead of in maildir mode? That would be the most likely problem. It's not really an index corruption, rather it detects a maildir state that shouldn't happen and tries to recover from it." |
| 21:50.55 | sybariten | my sources.list is at http://www.pastebin.com/278811 anyhow |
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| 21:51.18 | Durin | sybariten: why do you mix sarge and unstable? |
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| 21:51.46 | vezult | MASoft: someone has, i'm sure. I haven't personally though. |
| 21:52.08 | sybariten | Durin: i just uncommented one of the lines in order to get more hits, or something, i believe. how do you mean ? |
| 21:52.12 | vezult | MASoft: downloaded the iso...but never got around to trying it out. |
| 21:52.18 | MASoft | vezult, Do I need other CDs for packages ? |
| 21:52.25 | derflo | sybariten: you mix testing with unstable |
| 21:52.42 | derflo | that's ok, if you know what you're doing |
| 21:52.56 | sybariten | i guess i dont. |
| 21:53.04 | derflo | yes |
| 21:53.09 | vezult | MASoft: probably once you've got it installed, you can install packages just like you would on Debian GNU/Linux |
| 21:53.17 | sybariten | could anyone give me some advice then ? |
| 21:53.32 | derflo | what did you install? testing? unstable? |
| 21:53.33 | streuner | yes, install debian |
| 21:53.39 | streuner | sybariten: ^^^^ |
| 21:53.41 | vezult | MASoft: different apt-sources, though, i'd guess |
| 21:53.51 | MASoft | sybariten, install just one of them ! SID or Sarge ! |
| 21:54.06 | derflo | KNOPPIX? |
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| 21:54.31 | MASoft | vezult, do u know, is freebsd faster or Linux ? |
| 21:55.10 | drac | MASoft: This must be 20th poll you're taking today. |
| 21:55.18 | derflo | sybariten? |
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| 21:55.49 | kteague | question about lpd. is there a way to tell it to spool the print job to the printer, yet tell the printer how many pages are the in doc, and not print until the last page is received? |
| 21:55.59 | kteague | we're having problems printing to a remote printer across a WAN. the HP-UX server is in Northern California, and the printer is in Southern California |
| 21:56.07 | kteague | the jobs that come out are missing data. sometimes only half a page, other times, we'll get some ASCII art but no text |
| 21:56.28 | kteague | for the most part, this is killing a lot of trees, as LPD spools the job to the printer, and then it realizes the job failed, it respools the entire print job again. we just need to tell it to hold the job until the printer has received the last page |
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| 21:56.44 | cheal | kteague: cups only supports 4 km |
| 21:56.45 | serialkiller | what is harden and harden enviroment |
| 21:56.50 | MASoft | drac, but it's about Debian ! they didn't ;) |
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| 21:57.09 | streuner | serialkiller: read the docs, apt-get install harden-doc |
| 21:57.17 | kteague | cheal: I'm using lpd and it's my only option |
| 21:57.26 | genix_ | E: Package sun-j2re1.4 has no installation candidate, which sources is needed? |
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| 21:57.45 | kteague | I know this is kind of off topic, as this relates to HP-UX and lpd, but lpd is standard no matter which platform it runs on |
| 21:57.45 | cheal | kteague: bah, forget what I said |
| 21:57.50 | streuner | serialkiller: harden enviroment installs only _secure_ apps. |
| 21:57.51 | kteague | cheal: hehe |
| 21:58.09 | sybariten | derflo: yes, well as i said, it isnt even a real debian install |
| 21:58.13 | tarzeau | kteague: no there's two different lpd |
| 21:58.16 | cheal | !info sun-j2re1.4 |
| 21:58.29 | cheal | dpkg: Package 'sun-j2re1.4' does not exist. |
| 21:58.30 | kteague | tarzeau, are there? |
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| 21:58.35 | serialkiller | when i try to install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp it kernel panics says cant find /dev/cionsole anyone heard of this? |
| 21:58.41 | kteague | tarzeau, enlighten me, o' wise one |
| 21:58.50 | Durin | genix_: look at java-package |
| 21:58.52 | vezult | MASoft: I don't know that there's a huge difference |
| 21:58.53 | derflo | sybariten: uncomment the sarge line and do an "apt-get install && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 21:58.53 | streuner | serialkiller: custom kernel? |
| 21:59.00 | kteague | I believe this would be the berkley lpd |
| 21:59.00 | derflo | are you from germany? |
| 21:59.05 | serialkiller | streuner : no |
| 21:59.07 | tarzeau | kteague: oh well, there's at least two different lp clients |
| 21:59.10 | vezult | MASoft: but I'm not hugely picky about performance... |
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| 21:59.33 | streuner | serialkiller: put the initrd-line into you bootloader config |
| 21:59.34 | dcell | Can I setup openLDAP to not use TLS at all and only SSL? |
| 21:59.38 | kteague | oh, hmm. are you familiar with my problem, though? |
| 21:59.57 | serialkiller | streuner : initrd-line? |
| 22:00.23 | genix_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.27 | streuner | serialkiller: yes, you prolly forgot to edit the config of your boot-loader |
| 22:00.37 | serialkiller | grub |
| 22:00.57 | sybariten | derflo my sarge-line isnt commented. its one of two uncommented lines, i have appearently added it myself. it reads deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 22:01.05 | Durin | genix_: impossible due to license problems AFAIK |
| 22:01.09 | grendal_prime | anyone useing egroupware? |
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| 22:01.25 | silverton | okay, so I'm in the process of doing a netinst, chose the Desktop Environment option, and it's downloading approx 500MB of stuff, and I have to do it again soon more then likely, is there any way I can back up the downloaded files to another hard drive/server? |
| 22:01.28 | derflo | sorry, i meant: comment it |
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| 22:01.49 | sybariten | oh ok |
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| 22:02.05 | sybariten | that makes more sense |
| 22:02.08 | xoz | silverton: cp /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:02.34 | silverton | and during another install, how would I point it to the backup dir? |
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| 22:03.09 | silverton | er, what would I put in the sources.list? |
| 22:03.33 | challenged | silverton:: once you have the deb files you can actually run dpkg with build dependant on the 8.deb |
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| 22:03.44 | madclicker | anyone using dovecot ? |
| 22:03.47 | derflo | man sources.list |
| 22:03.48 | challenged | silverton:: you can also get dselect to work on a directory folder |
| 22:04.08 | xoz | silverton: just follow the path.. you symlink it or copy those files in the other server as long as you preserve the paths /var/cache/apt/archives/ ... just apt-get update to sync... also, read dpkg --get-selections| --set-selections. |
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| 22:04.32 | derflo | silverton: or use apt-move to create a custom netinst-image |
| 22:04.39 | derflo | but this will be some work |
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| 22:04.44 | sybariten | derflo: i suppose the double ampersand is exact syntax? or just your way of saying do this first, and this one after |
| 22:04.50 | derflo | yes |
| 22:05.13 | sybariten | heh. yes which one ... bash-accepted syntax ? |
| 22:05.13 | derflo | this tells your shell to do this first and then the other |
| 22:05.25 | sybariten | nice |
| 22:05.30 | cirkit | run levels 2-5 are multiuser? |
| 22:05.39 | cirkit | which runlevel lets you have text mode login |
| 22:05.41 | streuner | cirkit: man init |
| 22:05.43 | MASoft | I have 3Ghz CPU with 1Mb cache and FSB800 ! my linux install SMP kernel everytime and detect 2 cpus ! what's wrong ? |
| 22:06.00 | streuner | cirkit: if it isn't 2-6, what is left? |
| 22:06.11 | Gathond | MASoft: your CPU probably have hyper Threading |
| 22:06.25 | cirkit | runlevel 1 which is single user |
| 22:06.33 | Gathond | MASoft: in which case the installer is correct, in that the CPU shows up as 2 logical CPU's |
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| 22:06.49 | zahod | sybariten, only if the first command returns true |
| 22:06.58 | MASoft | hyper threding make it like 2 cpus ? |
| 22:07.03 | outlier | I've got a problem that my system hangs whenever I try to do a updatedb or slocate -u. I'm running sarge with 2.6.7. Does anyone know what might be happening /var/log/syslog isn't really telling me anything. |
| 22:07.15 | MASoft | gathond, hyper threding make it like 2 cpus ? |
| 22:07.24 | zahod | for example, "false && echo hello" doesn't echo hello :) |
| 22:07.24 | Gathond | MASoft: somewhat, logically yes |
| 22:07.37 | challenged | do hyperthreads get advantage from smp kernels? |
| 22:07.50 | MASoft | Gathond, can I disable this feature ? |
| 22:07.56 | Gathond | challenged: yes, if multible threads exist |
| 22:07.57 | sybariten | zahod: oh... bash logic. ok thanks |
| 22:08.00 | drac | MASoft: To make your machine slower? |
| 22:08.00 | derflo | MASoft: BIOS |
| 22:08.02 | xoz | outlier: start with an empty database. |
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| 22:08.04 | bisy | challenged: yes, HT appears as two CPUs under SMP kernels. |
| 22:08.09 | anto9us | challenged: mine has one hell of a performance difference, yeah |
| 22:08.18 | outlier | xoz: er... how? |
| 22:08.26 | Gathond | MASoft: you could always force a non SMP kernel on it, but why would you, as i understand it it would make it slower |
| 22:08.33 | sybariten | derfol: well, i dont know where it halted, but apt listed five packages that unmet dependencies. whatever it means whit that. |
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| 22:08.36 | derflo | MASoft: But this could slower kernel compilations |
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| 22:08.46 | derflo | MASoft: Ond other things |
| 22:08.51 | challenged | hmm.....any command to check what your cpu has ....i think mines hyper |
| 22:09.10 | bisy | challenged: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:09.15 | derflo | sybariten: post it |
| 22:09.22 | Gathond | or at least make it slower if it runs 2 threads, dont know if it actually makes it faster or slower if there is only one thread that wants CPU power |
| 22:09.24 | MASoft | Gathond, So If I change my kernel with SMP kernel my speed increse ? (currently have Normal kernel) |
| 22:09.53 | mh_le | hey, does anyone have any experience with grip? |
| 22:10.13 | Gathond | MASoft: that is the teory yes, if the OS runs several simultanious threads |
| 22:10.23 | bisy | NASoft: I've you only ever run one app, or have one very CPU intensive app, non-HT mode will be faster, but typically HT mode will be faster, particularly building kernels etc using make -j 4 |
| 22:10.27 | xoz | outlier: /var/cache/locate/ |
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| 22:11.04 | cafuego | Gathond: depends on the trhreads; some run faster on a single whole cpu than two lobotomised ones. |
| 22:11.12 | mh_le | when ever I try to rip a cd with grip, it all of a sudden inserts fe10d911t'n as the track title |
| 22:11.15 | challenged | bisy: hmm only brought up 1 cpu worth of info anything specific in the info im looking for |
| 22:11.18 | lunaphyte | has anyone ever come across an idiot's primer on why a person should be running the most recent version of a particular piece of software? |
| 22:11.29 | lunaphyte | generally speaking |
| 22:11.31 | anto9us | challenged: how many siblings? |
| 22:11.47 | dcell | If I configure openldap without TLS, will I still be able to use SSL? |
| 22:11.59 | bisy | challenged: If it's an HT CPU, then it'll have 'ht' in the flags list, if it's HT on an SMP kernel then cpuinfo will list two CPUs worth of info. |
| 22:12.04 | xoz | outlier: and check /etc/updatedb.conf. also check if you have enough disk space: df -h |
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| 22:12.22 | sybariten | derflo: ok looks a lil' something like this. http://www.pastebin.com/278817 and this was afdter changing the sources.list |
| 22:12.27 | xoz | outlier: how large is your free space? |
| 22:12.35 | challenged | well my flags has HT in it so i guess i should swap to SMP kernel? |
| 22:12.55 | anto9us | challenged: it will fly in comparison |
| 22:12.58 | pipeline | Do you have an SMP system? |
| 22:13.02 | pipeline | If no, don't bother. |
| 22:13.07 | pipeline | HT is not usually a performance win. |
| 22:13.14 | outlier | xoz: should be plenty of disk - /var has 7G avail. |
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| 22:13.18 | anto9us | pipeline: it is on my system |
| 22:13.34 | pipeline | anto9us: Uh, right, then. *rolleyes* |
| 22:13.47 | obtix | ok, whats the command to remove the kernel that came on the system by defaut? dpkg --purge kernel-image-2.2.20? |
| 22:13.48 | derflo | sybariten: what does a apt-get dist-upgrade say? |
| 22:13.49 | madclicker | where would i be able to get with dovecot? |
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| 22:14.15 | derflo | sybariten: wait |
| 22:14.27 | anto9us | pipeline: I don't understand, why the rolleyes? |
| 22:14.45 | lunaphyte | funroll-loops ? |
| 22:14.45 | paulswm | obtix: apt-get remove --purge kernel-package-name |
| 22:14.50 | outlier | xoz: Thanks for the advice - got to take a phone call. |
| 22:14.51 | pipeline | anto9us: Independent benchmarks and Intel's own evaluations do not support your opinion. |
| 22:14.58 | derflo | sybariten: check a pure "apt-get install" |
| 22:15.15 | madclicker | where would i be able to get help with dovecot? |
| 22:15.17 | pipeline | anto9us: In some cases, enabling HT is actually /slower/than not. |
| 22:15.30 | anto9us | well, don't know anything about benchmarkes but changing to smp kernel made it run noticibly faster, |
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| 22:15.51 | pipeline | anto9us: Noticably? How did you "notice" ? Did you run benchmarks, or does it just "feel" faster? |
| 22:15.58 | obtix | paulswm: that is the same as my command.. but what is the installed kernel image? how do i type it? kernel-image-2.2.20? |
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| 22:16.06 | sybariten | derflo: ok ... didnt think you could do that ... one sec |
| 22:16.08 | challenged | hmm well ill try smp and see if i can make any gut feeling calls heheh... |
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| 22:16.13 | anto9us | pipeline, things didn't take so long to happen |
| 22:16.27 | cafuego | anto9us: But you didn't actually measure and get a number... |
| 22:16.28 | kombi | help, apt-get installed nessus on a command line only box, now I've got all these 'unmet' dependencies, what should I do? |
| 22:16.55 | pipeline | anto9us: Meaning there was no performance increase not attributable to observer bias. kthxbai |
| 22:17.05 | paulswm | obtix: 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep kernel-image', purge the one you don't want |
| 22:17.10 | anto9us | cafuego: no, didn't have to, it was noticible |
| 22:17.12 | derflo | sybariten: ??? |
| 22:17.27 | pipeline | challenged: Your "gut feeling" will /always/ say it "feels" faster -- because that's what you're expecting. |
| 22:17.33 | kombi | what do you do about unmet dependencies in general? |
| 22:17.34 | cafuego | anto9us: Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. |
| 22:17.38 | MASoft | Gathond, why not make -j 2 ? |
| 22:17.57 | challenged | pipeline: not really ill be surprised if it makes any difference atm because im doing it on a VM hehe |
| 22:18.03 | kombi | can you un-unmet? |
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| 22:18.14 | derflo | kombi: in general? find a resolution. |
| 22:18.15 | challenged | pipeline: my home system may fool me but this work clunker wont hehe |
| 22:18.34 | kombi | derflo: such as..? |
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| 22:18.38 | cafuego | man 1 time |
| 22:18.44 | sybariten | derflo: apt-get install gave the same error as the one i quoted .... as it was the same thing that happenede, before the && |
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| 22:18.51 | anto9us | cafuego: oh, so when I thought it was running faster, it was actually running slower, my perception of time had been somehow distorted by the fact that I'd installed an smp kernel? A sort of placebo effect? |
| 22:19.12 | challenged | oh who was having that lpd issue ...weanted complete send before print |
| 22:19.13 | derflo | sybariten: this is from our firs approach |
| 22:19.15 | obtix | paulswm: nothing came up... keep in mind this is the kernel that was installed on the system 3.0r4 cd rom 2.2.20-idepci does that make a differnce? |
| 22:19.21 | InitMass | what does this say to you? http://phpfi.com/60131 what is missing? i am trying to install fluxbox |
| 22:19.27 | cafuego | anto9us: It's well possible. Either way no-one knows for sure until you have hard, cold numbers. (like 8 or 21) |
| 22:19.36 | BibTeX | hello, I do not have this direcctory, what shall I do to get it |
| 22:19.37 | BibTeX | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build/include/linux |
| 22:19.38 | vezult | i'm trying to use a cgi script as a directory index, and although apache uses index.cgi as the index, it doesnt execute it. it just displays the script as a text file |
| 22:19.53 | BibTeX | I installed the kernel headers and still does not have ti |
| 22:19.58 | derflo | sybariten: apt-get install libx11-6 libxext6 libxi6 libxrandr2 libxv1 |
| 22:20.01 | vezult | calling the script explicitly: somedirectory/index.cgi works fine |
| 22:20.04 | derflo | sybariten: paste the result |
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| 22:20.19 | derflo | kombi: such as installing missing packages? |
| 22:20.20 | cafuego | websdale: You need to add .cgi as handle and need to have ExecCGI enabled on that dir. |
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| 22:20.28 | cafuego | handler |
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| 22:20.53 | xoz | vezult: loaded cgi_module? |
| 22:21.00 | sybariten | derflo: ok ... |
| 22:21.03 | derflo | kombi: such as installing packages manually, knowing this works and telling apt to forget these deps? |
| 22:21.43 | derflo | kompi: such as installing an older version knowing this is enough an tell apt to proceed? |
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| 22:22.04 | vezult | xoz: it works if the strip is referenced explicitly in the url, but not if it is used as a directory index, so i'm assuming that i've got the appropriate module installed...checking just for kicks.. |
| 22:22.09 | challenged | derflo: dpkg allows you to ignore dependants etc |
| 22:22.14 | vezult | s/strip/script/ |
| 22:22.16 | xoz | vezult: DirectoryIndex index.cgi index.html .... look for this info in httpd.conf |
| 22:22.22 | paulswm | obtix: dpkg -l should list all packages installed, inculding kernel images. I assume that you must have installed a new kernel if you want to remove the old one, and dpkg -l should show them both |
| 22:22.44 | derflo | challenged: this is in such as 2) |
| 22:22.45 | vezult | xoz: i've got no index.html in that directory. index.cgi is the only file there |
| 22:22.48 | BibTeX | hello, I do not have this direcctory, what shall I do to get it : /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build/include/linux I installed the kernel headers and still does not have it |
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| 22:23.15 | vezult | xoz: and it is being read by default, just not executed |
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| 22:23.25 | tarzeau | i have some .tex files that require html.sty but i don't know from where (grepping doesn't get me anything) |
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| 22:23.40 | tarzeau | i want to get rid of this NON-FREE latex2html shit |
| 22:24.15 | derflo | sybariten: must reconnect - wait 5 min |
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| 22:24.54 | xoz | vezult: did you specify that command in httpd.conf... you have to tell apache to consider index.cgi as directory index. <IfModule mod_dir.c> DirectoryIndex index.cg ... </IfModule> ... look for this statment in httpd.conf |
| 22:25.24 | madclicker | how do i change at one time all files to associated uders? |
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| 22:25.35 | madclicker | users |
| 22:25.41 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: with find and chown |
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| 22:26.11 | derflo | sybariten: i'm back |
| 22:26.14 | xoz | vezult: and enable Options ExecCGI in the directory it is located |
| 22:26.22 | derflo | sybariten: now we see the prob |
| 22:26.26 | madclicker | dondelelcaro: chown $usersnme $username *? |
| 22:26.26 | Nurbs | damn, make-kpkg fails with 2.6.12-rc3.. *sigh* |
| 22:26.51 | sybariten | derflo: ok, i have the errors at http://www.pastebin.com/278821 |
| 22:26.52 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: what exactly are you trying to do? and no, that command won't work. |
| 22:26.59 | bisy | madclicker: Something like: find . -user bob -exec echo {}\; |
| 22:27.01 | derflo | sybariten: see them |
| 22:27.18 | vezult | xoz: yeah, i've got it listed as a directory index |
| 22:27.36 | sybariten | derflo: from a newbies perspective i think it looks as if there is a file-based error .... or, should i say, filesystem-error ... meaning, that its not network based, but more "basic" |
| 22:27.36 | vezult | xoz: and i've got ExecCGI on |
| 22:27.49 | voltz | How can I get my system to automount usb SD/MMC cards and usb pen drives? I installed gnome-volume-manager, but that didn't do it. |
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| 22:27.52 | madclicker | dondelelcaro: i have 100 users mail files with root the owner i want to replace the files owner as the file name |
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| 22:28.20 | PerfDave | voltz: There are some recent articles on autofs and udev on http://www.debian-administration.org/ which you probably want to read. |
| 22:28.24 | sybariten | and, as i said, my distro has an alternative to GNU-fileutils called busybox, which appearently can give apt problems sometimes. dont know if this is that though. |
| 22:28.27 | cafuego | madclicker: for i in *; do chown $i:$i $i; done |
| 22:28.37 | challenged | voltz: man hotplug |
| 22:28.41 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: so then find . -type f -exec chown {} {} \; |
| 22:28.42 | bisy | madclicker: assuming bash: for i in *; do chown $i.$i $i ; done |
| 22:28.54 | cafuego | madclicker: That will work if the filename is the same as the username and contains NO spaces. |
| 22:28.57 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever variant of that you want to work) |
| 22:29.03 | derflo | sybariten: I know we can tell apt to overwrite these files, but as they belong to xlibs i'm not aware, if x still runs afterwards |
| 22:29.07 | challenged | voltz: you can put a script there for evices in particular |
| 22:29.10 | cafuego | madclicker: Actually, for i in *; do chown $i:mail $i; done |
| 22:29.24 | voltz | PerfDave: thanks for the pointer. |
| 22:29.50 | luulis | bisy: the use of user.group is deprecated, user:group is what should be used instead |
| 22:30.02 | kombi | arrg, everything seems to depend on everything, how do get out of this mess.. |
| 22:30.15 | Guerin | kombi: apt-get -f install RET |
| 22:30.25 | kombi | what'r RET? |
| 22:30.29 | Guerin | RETurn |
| 22:30.33 | voltz | challenged: cool, i am able to mount them manually, so let me try reading the hotplug man. thanks. |
| 22:30.41 | kombi | I'll try that, thanks! |
| 22:31.00 | Guerin | kombi: -f in this case means fix, not force. |
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| 22:31.03 | madclicker | bisy: that was it only the group had to remain mail. thanks fellas |
| 22:31.05 | kombi | couldn't find package RET.. |
| 22:31.09 | Guerin | ... |
| 22:31.20 | streuner | haha |
| 22:31.21 | Guerin | it means 'enter', son |
| 22:31.23 | cafuego | kombi: How did you manage to break it so badly? |
| 22:31.23 | challenged | voltz: np...dmsg pops up a message when a device is found and hotplug can fire off a script....the man should help lots tho 8) |
| 22:31.24 | Guerin | like |
| 22:31.25 | derflo | sybariten: I use xlibs, but you could try: "apt-get -f install" |
| 22:31.31 | Guerin | the big key above right shift |
| 22:31.33 | sybariten | derflo: ah. ok well its not a big deal really, i reinstall this machine every now and then so i could have a try if you know how to force it somehow |
| 22:31.39 | xoz | vezult: you restarted apache? |
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| 22:31.53 | sybariten | derflo: i've done "apt-get -f install" several times |
| 22:31.55 | kombi | cafuego: installed nessus on a box with no desktop.. |
| 22:31.57 | streuner | derflo: do you like wasting your time? |
| 22:32.03 | vezult | xoz: yeah |
| 22:32.08 | Guerin | kombi: how is that proken? |
| 22:32.14 | xoz | vezult: look for errors in /var/log/apache |
| 22:32.19 | derflo | sybariten: what did apt-get -f say? |
| 22:32.19 | cafuego | kombi: Yes, i often do the same. it just fetches the depends, it doesn't bREAK. |
| 22:32.25 | madclicker | cafuego: gacias senior |
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| 22:32.33 | kombi | Guerin: Installation broke off with error 1 |
| 22:32.35 | sybariten | derflo : apt-get -f install ? |
| 22:32.48 | Guerin | oh, you're using teh SID |
| 22:32.49 | derflo | yes |
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| 22:32.55 | cafuego | madclicker: They may need to be mode 2660, just check... |
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| 22:33.07 | kombi | tried apt-get remove nessus but no luck |
| 22:33.12 | xoz | vezult: have you loaded dir_module? |
| 22:33.17 | Guerin | kombi: luck has no bearing on this |
| 22:33.17 | madclicker | cafuego: why "2"660? |
| 22:33.31 | Guerin | kombi: what do the error messages say? |
| 22:33.39 | kombi | let me see.. |
| 22:33.43 | cafuego | madclicker: Sorry, not 2, 0660 (the mail APP might be sgid mail) |
| 22:33.46 | Guerin | no, let ME see |
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| 22:33.58 | cafuego | madclicker: it's easy, need coffee, must sleep... |
| 22:34.11 | cafuego | early, not easy.. argh |
| 22:34.13 | madclicker | cafuego:roger |
| 22:34.24 | kombi | well, unmet dependencies everywhere, trying to in- or uninstall |
| 22:34.39 | Guerin | kombi: apt-get -f install should fix0r them |
| 22:34.50 | kombi | tried that several times.. |
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| 22:34.52 | cafuego | kombi: Run 'apt-get update; apt-get -f install' |
| 22:34.55 | Guerin | kombi: WHAT HAPPEN |
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| 22:35.06 | kombi | moment.. |
| 22:35.15 | cafuego | kombi: Whilst that runs, tell us which debian version you're running. |
| 22:35.22 | xoz | kombi: you try also dpkg --pending --configure |
| 22:35.23 | Guerin | kombi: ok, you can have some more help when you get a big dose od specificity in you. |
| 22:35.26 | paulswm | JUST what I was going to ask |
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| 22:35.43 | pettern_ | is there any way to take screenshots of GDM? |
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| 22:35.48 | sybariten | derflo: need i quote that? the error output looks pretty much like apt-get install .... it is "trying" to overwrite. |
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| 22:36.04 | derflo | no |
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| 22:36.35 | cafuego | aaaah, it works! |
| 22:36.38 | cafuego | *sip* |
| 22:36.45 | kombi | apt-get -f install stops with "E: Sub-process /user/bin/dpkg/ returned error code (1)" and "errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/lippng12-0_1.2.8rel-1_i286.deb" |
| 22:37.18 | Talnakh_ | Hi all. i have a question: Is it possible to automate an access to website. lets say filling some of the forms and their automatic sending. ? |
| 22:37.36 | cafuego | kombi: is your harddisk full? Check with 'df -h' |
| 22:37.39 | Guerin | Talnakh_: depends on the website. |
| 22:37.46 | derflo | sybariten: dpkg --force-all |
| 22:37.51 | kombi | plenty of space.. |
| 22:38.00 | cafuego | kombi: and 'df -i' ? |
| 22:38.06 | Talnakh_ | Guerin, just simple forms |
| 22:38.10 | kombi | even more so |
| 22:38.16 | xoz | sybariten: read man about forcing things: dpkg --force-<things> /var/cache/apt/archives/<package.tgz> |
| 22:38.39 | vezult | xos: cant find any recent errors |
| 22:38.50 | xoz | sybariten: that is, man dpkg, to force it to do some conflict resolution. |
| 22:38.54 | cafuego | kombi: Ok, apt-get install > libpng12-0 0. Then paste the ENTIRE error in #flood. |
| 22:39.01 | kombi | should I manually remove /var/cache/apt/archives/libpng12-0 ? |
| 22:39.10 | sybariten | ok ... isnt there a way of flushing the area that contains temporary deb files ? |
| 22:39.13 | cafuego | Eh 'apt-get install libpng12-0' |
| 22:39.24 | xoz | vezult: is dir_module loaded? |
| 22:39.29 | kombi | tried that but will do again |
| 22:39.31 | cafuego | kombi: No, you need to find the actual error. |
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| 22:39.52 | derflo | sybariten: why? |
| 22:39.54 | kombi | same thing.. |
| 22:40.00 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 22:40.03 | kombi | weired.. |
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| 22:40.17 | cafuego | kombi: PASTE the WHOLE error in #flood |
| 22:40.28 | bisy | sybariten: apt-get clean |
| 22:40.35 | sybariten | derflo: i just get the impression that apt is trying to download and overwrite files, but it cant ... but maybe that isnt whats happening |
| 22:40.44 | derflo | no |
| 22:40.53 | kombi | here comes the embrarrassing bit: I've never done that, how do you #flood? |
| 22:41.05 | paulswm | kombi: /join #flood |
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| 22:41.14 | derflo | sybariten: the download process was successfully |
| 22:41.16 | cafuego | kombi: join the channel #flood, '/join #flood' and then paste the error. |
| 22:41.16 | kombi | ok |
| 22:41.24 | YaleR | I've had this error a few times with a few different kernels, I can't really figure it out - partition cannot sync, unable to mount root on block (0,0) is this a block error? I didn't touch these settings in the kernel |
| 22:41.27 | kombi | just a second.. |
| 22:41.31 | cafuego | Not just the last bit, the whole thing. |
| 22:42.07 | derflo | sybariten: the problem is that dpkg cann't install a package, beceause the new packages want to overwrite files belonging to another package |
| 22:42.12 | kombi | there it was.. |
| 22:42.34 | sybariten | derflo: i see |
| 22:42.43 | vezult | xos: no, but i can't find any module with a name similar to that one. I'm running apache2. I suppose i should have said that earlier |
| 22:42.48 | cafuego | Ok, that package is broken. |
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| 22:43.02 | xoz | sybariten: are you listening. apparently you are running sid. you should know how to force things when some packages break. |
| 22:43.04 | cafuego | The maintainer is a damn idiot, as fara s I can tell. |
| 22:43.24 | sybariten | xoz: is sid a version of debian ? |
| 22:43.34 | vezult | sybariten: its a branch |
| 22:43.35 | xoz | sybariten: unstable |
| 22:43.39 | derflo | your packages should confilict with xlibs |
| 22:43.48 | cafuego | kombi: try this: 'mkdir -p /usr/share/doc/libpng12-0; touch /usr/share/doc/libpng12-0/TODO' |
| 22:43.51 | sybariten | xoz: ok, i dont run debian really ... |
| 22:44.00 | streuner | sybariten: you are better up with sarge, just install sarge |
| 22:44.00 | cafuego | kombi: And then rerun apt-get install libpng12-0 |
| 22:44.01 | kombi | thanks, wait.. |
| 22:44.09 | xoz | !fire sybariten |
| 22:44.10 | dpkg | I'm sorry, sybariten, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 22:44.14 | streuner | xoz: wait |
| 22:44.28 | streuner | !d-i |
| 22:44.28 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 22:45.06 | YaleR | I've had this error a few times with a few different kernels, I can't really figure it out - partition cannot sync, unable to mount root on block (0,0) is this a block error? I didn't touch these settings in the kernel |
| 22:45.41 | LoneElf | I am having some problems getting scp to work properly... It seems to time out when i try to connect to my other machine on the network, both machines are using OpenSSH and i can ssh into the other one just fine. |
| 22:45.58 | streuner | xoz: that wasn't his fault |
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| 22:46.40 | xoz | YaleR: probably kernel doesn't have the driver to load your filesystem. initrd or compiling ide/scsci driver plus root filesystem driver in the kernel may solve it. |
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| 22:47.15 | smurfy | hi |
| 22:47.25 | xoz | sybariten: are you using debian distro? |
| 22:47.25 | smurfy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.33 | smurfy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.35 | bbrazil | smurfy: /etc/motd |
| 22:47.40 | streuner | xoz: damnsmall-linux |
| 22:47.50 | xoz | streuner: oic |
| 22:47.53 | Talnakh_ | hey people help me, i am sure some people have the same issue. Is it possible to automate an access to website. lets say filling some of the forms and their automatic sending. ? |
| 22:47.57 | smurfy | i check it |
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| 22:48.03 | smurfy | it;s in other file |
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| 22:48.27 | petemc | Talnakh_: there are perl modules for that stuff, cant remember the names offhand tho |
| 22:48.37 | rue_mohr | what is the name of a 2.6 kernel for my sarge install??? dselect dosn't seem to list anything not installed |
| 22:48.39 | bbrazil | Talnakh_: generally it is, but if the owner doesn't like it you'll end up in an arms race |
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| 22:49.03 | kombi | cafuego: now this is completely weired, can't either remover nor touch files in /usr/share/doc/libpng12-0, I get "ls: libpng12-0/TODO: No such file or directory", have I been hacked? |
| 22:49.03 | sybariten | xoz: no, not really, only debian based |
| 22:49.10 | challenged | Talnakh_: depends on the site but yes you can .....i expect you could write a plugin for firefox amongst other things.. |
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| 22:49.22 | derflo | sybariten: did you try the dpkg? |
| 22:49.32 | derflo | --force? |
| 22:49.59 | caphuso | Talnakh_: try lynx -cmd_log/lynx -cmd_script |
| 22:50.04 | challenged | rue_mohr: apt-get update && apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 22:50.30 | coll | hey |
| 22:50.32 | kombi | rm -rf libpng12-0 returns: "diretory not empty" (sic) |
| 22:50.39 | barretj | has anyone installed Diablo II under wine and debian unstable? |
| 22:50.41 | derflo | unstable |
| 22:50.44 | streuner | xoz: well some fucktard said to him, just ask for apt-get question, don't mention which distro you use... |
| 22:51.06 | innovati | I have a question about x.org - I've installed it and got it running, how do I use it with the nvidia drivers instead of the regular 'nv'? |
| 22:51.11 | thingfish | if knoppix were debian, it'd be called debian. |
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| 22:51.15 | coll | im looking to download debian for a linux box which would be used as a gateway and would be runing some services |
| 22:51.16 | innovati | if I use 'nvidia' it can't find display |
| 22:51.23 | YaleR | xoz: I killed all miscellaneous filesystems, as well as most network, took out Minix, what partition type is this? |
| 22:51.24 | coll | should i be getting sarge, sid or woody? |
| 22:51.29 | MobyTurbo | !knoppix |
| 22:51.30 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 22:51.33 | derflo | knoppix is a debian/unstable on a live cd |
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| 22:51.43 | MASoft | bye friends ;) (don't forget to think about which one is faster :D Slackware or Debian) |
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| 22:51.52 | vezult | coll: if you've got to ask, you probably want woody or sarge. |
| 22:51.53 | MobyTurbo | derflo: no, it's not. A number of programs are different, some as elementary as /sbin/init |
| 22:51.57 | innovati | slackware? |
| 22:52.03 | challenged | someone tell us about nvidia stuff pls...cant remember the !tell |
| 22:52.04 | xoz | streuner: hm, waste of time. |
| 22:52.11 | streuner | xoz: i know |
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| 22:52.34 | silverton | installing the nvidia drivers is easy >.< |
| 22:52.35 | kombi | how do I really really get rid of a file when even rm doesn't work? |
| 22:52.35 | silverton | I've done it so many times...lol |
| 22:52.37 | cheal | challenged: what about /msg dpkg nvidia? |
| 22:52.40 | challenged | coll: sarge |
| 22:52.45 | xoz | YaleR: depends on what kind of fs you partitioned your root. |
| 22:52.53 | coll | vezult: woddy stable 3.0r5 release or should i go with sarge? whats the diff? its for a gateway server no desktop use really |
| 22:52.53 | derflo | then let me ask: is my debian still a debian after i added deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main to my sources.list ? |
| 22:52.54 | silverton | but, I think the last time I said how I did it, I got chewed out about it... |
| 22:52.57 | innovati | I have the nvidia drivers, they work in xfree86, but when I use them for x.org they can't find display |
| 22:52.58 | YaleR | Ext3 |
| 22:53.01 | challenged | cheal: heheh i hate bots |
| 22:53.04 | coll | challenged: i'd want it to be secured |
| 22:53.10 | zumbi | is it ok if i use a hoary ubuntu mirror in my debian sid sources.list ? |
| 22:53.11 | paulswm | kombi: what error are you getting from rm? |
| 22:53.16 | cheal | challenged: you're mean, I'm trying to help you |
| 22:53.27 | YaleR | I took out a lot of 'partition types' maybe thats the reason... |
| 22:53.27 | streuner | derflo: if its an official debian mirror, then yes. |
| 22:53.33 | vezult | coll: woody will do fine for tyou then |
| 22:53.39 | challenged | cheal: hehe i know and thankyou 8)...i just hate bots hehe |
| 22:53.49 | coll | cause sarge is testing so im having doubts and woody is kinda old heh |
| 22:53.49 | MobyTurbo | derflo: third-party repositories are also unsupported here, though you'll get more support than knoppix, which not only adds different repos but also has a number of deep-seated architectural differences. |
| 22:53.51 | Durin | kombi: try moving out of the way |
| 22:53.52 | derflo | no, this is xfce |
| 22:53.58 | challenged | zumbi: probably not.... |
| 22:54.00 | cheal | !tell challenged about chealer |
| 22:54.23 | innovati | what is !tell anyway? |
| 22:54.23 | vezult | coll: if it's just acting as a firewall or router, woody should be fine. what do you want to do with it exactly? |
| 22:54.32 | challenged | cheal: LOL |
| 22:54.39 | xoz | YaleR: yeah, ide support plus filesystem support. make sure they are compiled static, otherwise, you will need initrd image. |
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| 22:54.42 | sybariten | derflo: well, i am reading the man page now ... i havent used dpkg on packages themselves before, only used apt-get |
| 22:54.42 | derflo | do I need security.debian.org with unstable? |
| 22:54.48 | caphuso | derflo: no |
| 22:54.50 | streuner | derflo: no |
| 22:54.52 | cheal | !tell innovati about tell |
| 22:54.53 | jcole | maybe this sounds like a dumb question, how do i change the xscreensaver lock screen graphic? for the life of me, i can't figure it out |
| 22:54.57 | innovati | !tell |
| 22:54.58 | innovati | ? |
| 22:55.07 | coll | vezult: yeah its just firewall/router and runing services like sshd, httpd, etc. no desktop use for it |
| 22:55.20 | innovati | oh cool, saying !tell made TuXLoUcO part! |
| 22:55.21 | cheal | innovati: that one won't work because it's a command. use !tell foo about bar |
| 22:55.23 | YaleR | xoz: I use --initrd anyway still can't figure this out |
| 22:55.25 | streuner | derflo: you need security.d.o for stable relases of debian |
| 22:55.29 | zumbi | challenged, i think i can.. those are .debs too |
| 22:55.30 | innovati | !tell about nvidia |
| 22:55.35 | innovati | still nada |
| 22:55.37 | innovati | dang |
| 22:55.40 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 22:55.40 | cheal | innovati: you have to tell someone |
| 22:55.42 | derflo | jcole: xscreensaver-demo & |
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| 22:55.53 | innovati | !tell innovati about nvidia |
| 22:55.53 | astronut | what's a good jukebox program? I liked the AmaroK interface, but it started blocking the sound resource after a bit and the volume control is for all of PCM, not just the msuic.... |
| 22:55.53 | silverton | zumbi, prolly not |
| 22:55.57 | cheal | innovati: alternatively, watch others |
| 22:55.59 | innovati | STILL nada |
| 22:56.02 | vezult | coll: that doesnt sound like anything you really need sarge for. i'd install woody, and upgrade when sarge is released |
| 22:56.15 | xoz | YaleR: /etc/mkinitrd/modules ... make sure your filesystem and other drivers for you disk are there |
| 22:56.22 | cheal | !tell chealer about nvidia |
| 22:56.25 | YaleR | I probably need to compile in Minix fs support? |
| 22:56.27 | kombi | cool, that did it.. buy, that was a toughie |
| 22:56.29 | zumbi | silverton, in ubuntu channel they say it is ok |
| 22:56.31 | cheal | innovati: it works for me |
| 22:56.36 | xoz | YaleR: and create a new initrd image. |
| 22:56.36 | innovati | tell me PLEASE! |
| 22:56.54 | innovati | I don't understand how the nvidia driver only works for xfree86 |
| 22:56.55 | zumbi | silverton, and sources repositories are in www.apt-get.org |
| 22:56.57 | jcole | derflo: where's the option to change the lock dialog theme? |
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| 22:57.06 | coll | vezult: ok thanks |
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| 22:57.30 | zumbi | s/sources/debs |
| 22:57.32 | MobyTurbo | zumbi: mixing repositories between distributions is asking for breakage. |
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| 22:57.45 | xoz | YaleR: yeah. but it's difficult to zero in what you need. one technique is boot with a livecd and lsmod.. examine the modules it generated to know what you gonna need. |
| 22:57.56 | derflo | I have a weired sources.list and I'll call my box a debian. I know you can't help me with these packages and I'll have to ask the maintainers of these repos. but it is a debian |
| 22:58.02 | innovati | does anybody know my problem? |
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| 22:58.15 | YaleR | xoz: true, alright - thanks man, I'm going to try to compile again now |
| 22:58.19 | cheal | innovati: using X.org in debian? |
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| 22:58.27 | zumbi | ok, then does someone know where could i find latest kdevelop .deb for sid ? |
| 22:58.32 | MobyTurbo | derflo: knoppix is different in a lot of other ways. Give it up, check the /topic, knoppix is not debian. |
| 22:58.33 | innovati | cheal: yeah, the nv drivers work, but not the nvidia |
| 22:58.38 | Ry12 | what can i do with a diff and gz file |
| 22:58.46 | innovati | cheal: the nvidia drivers work fine for the xfree86 though |
| 22:58.53 | cheal | innovati: I was telling you my guess at your problem |
| 22:59.25 | innovati | cheal: well....what do suggest I use then? Gentoo? you wouldn't turn me to the dark side would you? |
| 22:59.57 | sybariten | derflo: did you reccommend any specific force-setting ? |
| 22:59.58 | cafuego | innovati: maybe you could, I dunno, use xfree86? |
| 22:59.59 | drac | innovati: Copy files from nvidia-glx (dpkg -L nvidia-glx) to same places in your X.Org install. |
| 23:00.13 | cheal | cafuego: that's the one I was looking for! |
| 23:00.21 | drac | sorry:) |
| 23:00.23 | innovati | drac: same places being? |
| 23:00.34 | derflo | sybariten: let's go to #knoppix to proceed |
| 23:00.35 | drac | innovati: I gave you the solution, rest is up to you. |
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| 23:00.41 | Ry12 | wtf is a diff and gz file |
| 23:00.46 | cafuego | innovati: because when running non-debian software on de bian you shoudl AT LEAST know what you're doing |
| 23:00.51 | innovati | drac: I don't quite understand |
| 23:00.52 | derflo | then we should all be happy |
| 23:01.06 | drac | innovati: what cafuego said. |
| 23:01.07 | gravity | Ry12: A diff is a file listing the differences between two files. A gz file is a compressed file. |
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| 23:01.14 | innovati | I've had debian since saturday guys - gimme a break if I don't have it ALL memorized by now |
| 23:01.19 | xoz | Ry12: diff for patches... gz - gzipped sources file |
| 23:01.22 | cafuego | innovati: Remove xorg, install xfree86, use nvidia. problem solved. |
| 23:01.31 | innovati | I've done that, it works |
| 23:01.36 | Ry12 | can i use apt to install them? |
| 23:01.44 | cafuego | innovati: Why did you opt for a solution that DOESN'T work, then? |
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| 23:02.18 | innovati | cafuego: I'm sure there's a way, I've just never done any nvidia driver installs or anything like that before sunday |
| 23:02.21 | coll | vezult: i can simply wget the debian-30r5-i386-binary-1.iso burn it and install from that, and all later updates just do online, right? |
| 23:02.22 | cafuego | Repeat after me: "If it ain't broken, don't fix it". |
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| 23:02.38 | streuner | haha |
| 23:02.38 | cheal | If it ain't broken, don't fix it |
| 23:02.42 | cafuego | innovati: xorg isn't debian software and as such not supported here. |
| 23:02.52 | zumbi | If it ain't broken, don't fix it |
| 23:02.54 | jcole | if it's fixed, don't break it |
| 23:02.57 | cafuego | innovati: So why don't you just use xfree86? |
| 23:02.58 | streuner | we don't support x.org here |
| 23:03.04 | xoz | !tell Ry12 about ask |
| 23:03.12 | innovati | cafuego: well, is there a package that will enable tranparency and drop-shadows in xfree86? i had heard of it being done, but it was more risky than x.org |
| 23:03.30 | innovati | I'm trying to design some GUI's and need the eye-candy that's why |
| 23:03.31 | jcole | innovati: oh yeah, that's important |
| 23:03.44 | innovati | brb |
| 23:03.50 | cafuego | innovati: No, there isn't. Also, tarsnparency and drop shadows make 1) 3d not work and 2) X run slow and crash. |
| 23:04.12 | paulswm | And X sucks bad enough as it is. |
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| 23:04.57 | Ry12 | how do i use these files ? http://pint.pmhahn.de/pmhahn/debian/woody/f/fileutils/ |
| 23:05.10 | zumbi | why everybody wants xorg ? isn't it slow (dpkg said)? |
| 23:05.12 | gravity | Ry12: What do you want to do with them? |
| 23:05.18 | Ry12 | install |
| 23:05.25 | gravity | Ry12: Install what? |
| 23:05.30 | Ry12 | fileutils |
| 23:05.40 | gravity | Ry12: aptitude install fileutils |
| 23:05.42 | innovati | cafuego: well, I don't need it to run, just work even if only for a desktop screenshot |
| 23:05.47 | cafuego | zumbi: No, it runs fine as long as you don't enable the useless, unstable eyecandy. |
| 23:05.52 | Ry12 | whats aptitude |
| 23:06.05 | innovati | cafuego: I'm using it now, I just need the acceleration to get that |
| 23:06.13 | xoz | Ry12: apt-get install fileutils .. are you using debian? |
| 23:06.17 | gravity | Ry12: An apt frontend that handles more things than apt-get |
| 23:06.18 | paulswm | Ry12: apt-get install fileutils |
| 23:06.18 | Ry12 | woody |
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| 23:06.39 | Ry12 | backports doesnt have fileutils |
| 23:06.40 | innovati | also, while compliling certain programs, it says it can't find X includes - what are these and how do I get them? |
| 23:06.45 | zumbi | cafuego, what is eyecandy ? |
| 23:06.49 | paulswm | Phated: Heh, like permafrost, going to be there for thousands of years? |
| 23:07.08 | zumbi | innovati, xlibs-dev ? |
| 23:07.12 | innovati | ty |
| 23:07.13 | gravity | innovati: If you're running the Debian xfree packages, then xlibs-dev |
| 23:07.14 | cafuego | paulswm: Even though the top layer might be not sunday, there's sunday underneath ;-) |
| 23:07.19 | Phated | paulswm: Don't depress me, it's a beautiful dawn. |
| 23:07.24 | paulswm | cafuego: HAH |
| 23:07.25 | coll | whats the differnce between the debian-1 install cd and the debian-1-nonus install cd? |
| 23:07.29 | cafuego | innovati: note that xlibs-dev will NOT work with xorg. |
| 23:07.38 | innovati | I know |
| 23:07.43 | streuner | coll: server or desktop? |
| 23:07.50 | innovati | gut the compiled binaries should run in x.org afterwrd AFAIK |
| 23:07.52 | coll | server |
| 23:07.59 | zumbi | innovati, you might find xorg debs on ubuntu repositories |
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| 23:08.03 | streuner | coll: /msg dpkg nonus |
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| 23:08.28 | innovati | zumbi: that's where I got them - I am currently running x.org, only with 'nv' instead of 'nvidia' 3D drivers |
| 23:08.32 | soulse- | does anyone use amap? |
| 23:08.32 | cafuego | innovati: Well, seeing as structures defined in headers may have changed, they may in fact NOT run in xorg afetrwards. |
| 23:08.37 | streuner | coll: /msg dpkg netinstall |
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| 23:09.01 | coll | im not planing a netinstall though |
| 23:09.07 | innovati | cafuego: whatever - I managed to find a deb of the program anyway - it was SuparKarambe in case you wanna know :P |
| 23:09.08 | cafuego | HintL if you think you need xorg, use a distro with xorg. |
| 23:09.11 | coll | i just want to get the first install iso and do the updates later from the net |
| 23:09.22 | cafuego | innovati: That's apt-get install superkaramba. |
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| 23:09.28 | streuner | coll: ok |
| 23:09.40 | innovati | cafuego: how do you think I got it? had to use the ubuntu repos for that though |
| 23:09.51 | cafuego | innovati: no, superkaramba is in debian. |
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| 23:09.58 | innovati | cafuego: not the repos I have |
| 23:10.17 | cafuego | innovati: You clearly have a very broken machine at this point, I would say. |
| 23:10.27 | cafuego | !info superkaramba |
| 23:10.29 | innovati | cafuego: I got debian for develpoment, if it doesn't have what I need is Gentoo better for that? |
| 23:10.34 | dpkg | superkaramba: (A program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.35-2 (sid), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 1372 kB |
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| 23:10.51 | cheal | !rule 2 |
| 23:10.51 | dpkg | rule 2 is, like, "Dont f*ck with packaging systems" |
| 23:10.52 | innovati | cafuego: I hate half of the Gentoo user-base because they are airheads and '1337 haxx0r' script-kiddies |
| 23:11.01 | xoz | !bless innovati |
| 23:11.02 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child innovati, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 23:11.04 | cafuego | innovati: I doubt it, it doesn't even have a decent package management system. |
| 23:11.23 | innovati | cafuego: I still prefer Mandrake's URPMI over Apt |
| 23:11.26 | silverton | what's the package name for X? |
| 23:11.42 | streuner | silverton: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 23:11.43 | cafuego | innovati: I can imagine, seeing as you appear to have broken apt. |
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| 23:11.48 | innovati | cafuego: but Mandrake didn't have the latest packages - well, not as late as some of the dependancies for what I was having to copmile were anyway |
| 23:11.49 | zumbi | cafuego, eyecandy is stuff based on gtk-engine-* |
| 23:11.51 | zumbi | ? |
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| 23:11.57 | streuner | silverton: window-system(-core) |
| 23:12.04 | innovati | cafuego: how could I have borken apt? it works fine! |
| 23:12.07 | elcuco | hi, i removed gcc and installed gcc3.4 and not "gcc" is not found... |
| 23:12.15 | cafuego | zumbi: It's stabbing someone in the eye with a lollipop. |
| 23:12.17 | elcuco | how can i make gcc-3.4 the default gcc? |
| 23:12.25 | zumbi | xDDD |
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| 23:12.45 | silverton | ah, okay, that's why it X wouldn't load >.< I don't have it yet |
| 23:12.47 | cafuego | innovati: 1) you have xorg installed, which isn't a debian package. 2) you added ubuntu software (superkaramba) to a debian box. |
| 23:12.53 | streuner | elcuco: sind when is 3.4 in debian? |
| 23:13.03 | silverton | I'm curious as to why it skipped that on the initial download |
| 23:13.05 | obtix | i am trying to mount my vfat partiton on a seperate hd (the drive worked i just did a clean new install) when i try to mount it i get the following error "FAT: codepage cp437 not found" |
| 23:13.09 | streuner | elcuco: s/sind/since/ |
| 23:13.17 | innovati | so you think I should go with Gentoo? even though ti is inferiour? |
| 23:13.23 | xoz | elcuco: update-alternatives --config cc |
| 23:13.25 | elcuco | streuner, in testing it is... |
| 23:13.31 | cafuego | innovati: no, you could just use debian, but not actively break it. |
| 23:13.39 | xoz | elcuco: update-alternatives --config c++ |
| 23:13.40 | streuner | elcuco: just edit the symlink in /usr/bin/ |
| 23:13.43 | streuner | or that |
| 23:13.55 | innovati | if it doesn't have what I essentially need to do my job what good is it? |
| 23:13.57 | cafuego | innovati: if you _really_ _really_ need Xorg, install Ubuntu. |
| 23:14.21 | cafuego | innovati: if it doesn't have what you essentially need to do your job, why are you running it? <heh> |
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| 23:14.37 | streuner | why ubuntu, almost every other distro have x.org in his repos. |
| 23:14.43 | innovati | because I couldn't even get the stuff running on Mandrake |
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| 23:14.49 | streuner | s/his/there/ |
| 23:14.51 | kombi | oh my god, is a simple portscan everything nessus does? |
| 23:14.53 | cafuego | streuner: it at least has a sane package system? ;-) |
| 23:15.06 | thingfish | Mandrake is Mandriva now. |
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| 23:15.21 | cafuego | kombi: No, it can also attempt to exploit known holes in services it finds. |
| 23:15.35 | twobitsprite | when I type startx, it says it can't find /usr/bin/X11/X... I have xfree86-common installed, what am I missing? |
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| 23:15.38 | cafuego | innovati: But there are more distros than mandrake and debian. |
| 23:15.43 | shimano55 | Question, How do I install the other screensavers for xscreensaver? Most of then say "Not Yet INstalled" |
| 23:15.43 | xoz | mandrake is masculine, mandriva is feminine. i wonder what changes will it bring... ;) |
| 23:15.44 | zumbi | somebody knows how could i get more compression, either using mksquashfs or cloop ? |
| 23:15.46 | innovati | cafuego: I know |
| 23:15.50 | Durin | kombi: nessus-plugins also installed? |
| 23:15.53 | innovati | cafuego: Ubuntu has poor support for my hardware |
| 23:15.57 | kombi | yep.. |
| 23:16.00 | cafuego | innovati: In fact, if you need KDE dev stuff, a recent KDE and X, try kubuntu. |
| 23:16.05 | zumbi | shimano55, apt-cache search screensavers |
| 23:16.11 | kombi | cafuego: thanks for you help earlier, it worked! |
| 23:16.13 | innovati | maybe I should then |
| 23:16.27 | cafuego | innovati: Ubuntu supports the _same_ hardware as debian and mandrake, what are you talking about? |
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| 23:16.31 | thingfish | xoz: one is french, the other brasilian, can it be anything other than exotic? |
| 23:16.32 | cafuego | kombi: Cool :-) |
| 23:16.39 | zumbi | innovati, hardware isn't supported by kernel ? |
| 23:16.40 | innovati | the live CD has been bad for me AND my friend |
| 23:16.44 | elcuco | cucomania:~# update-alternatives --config gcc |
| 23:16.44 | elcuco | No alternatives for gcc. |
| 23:16.44 | kombi | Durin: or maybe not.. just did apt-get install nessusd |
| 23:16.50 | elcuco | hmmm.. what? |
| 23:16.56 | innovati | didn't try Kubuntu |
| 23:17.09 | xoz | thingfish: i don't know... but it sounds gay ;) |
| 23:17.16 | cafuego | elcuco: export CC=gcc-version; ./configure |
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| 23:17.24 | thingfish | !tell xoz about gay |
| 23:17.33 | xoz | thingfish: i know. |
| 23:17.35 | kombi | durin: plugins came with nessusd it seems, so they are there |
| 23:17.35 | cafuego | innovati: it's ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome. |
| 23:17.41 | innovati | I know what it is |
| 23:17.48 | elcuco | cafuego, i know that... but i want it to be more "general".. |
| 23:17.59 | innovati | I'm just afraid of Ubuntu after 2 bad experiences |
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| 23:18.08 | cafuego | elcuco: ln -sf /usr/bin/gcc-foo /usr/local/bin/gcc |
| 23:18.27 | innovati | is it on KDE 3.4? |
| 23:18.30 | elcuco | cafuego, this is a dirty hack, which i could do without thinking... |
| 23:18.32 | cafuego | innovati: yes |
| 23:18.36 | innovati | good good |
| 23:18.42 | cafuego | elcuco: Eh? |
| 23:18.45 | xoz | elcuco: cc -v? |
| 23:18.49 | RnD57 | how can i check the checksum of a package ? |
| 23:18.51 | innovati | and it uses all of the standard ubuntu repos? |
| 23:19.03 | innovati | only no the standard debian ones? |
| 23:19.12 | cafuego | RnD57: apt-cache show <package>; md5sum /path/to/package.deb |
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| 23:19.23 | cafuego | innovati: As fara s I know, yes. |
| 23:19.26 | RnD57 | yay |
| 23:19.32 | innovati | cafuego: I might do that |
| 23:19.34 | RnD57 | cafuego: thnx |
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| 23:19.49 | cafuego | RnD57: Check 'debsums' too. |
| 23:19.49 | elcuco | nevermind... i wanted to do it using the alternatives system... |
| 23:20.15 | cafuego | elcuco: gcc isn't in the alternatives system; that way people won't use a bad gcc to compile their kernels. |
| 23:20.22 | RnD57 | ok |
| 23:20.36 | innovati | cafuego: that brings me to the decision then - I cannot stay with what I have: should I go for Gentoo for bleeding edge packages (I do software develpment and need that) or Kubuntu and have the eye-candy (I also need that for other stuff I do) |
| 23:20.37 | elcuco | ok... |
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| 23:20.56 | xoz | innovati: this channel is pure debian. if you have questions regarding half-baked debian, go away. |
| 23:21.05 | innovati | half baked debian? |
| 23:21.20 | elcuco | so "ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc" is the only way? this is ugly.. |
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| 23:21.22 | obtix | i am trying to mount my vfat partiton on a seperate hd (the drive worked i just did a clean new install) when i try to mount it i get the following error "FAT: codepage cp437 not found" |
| 23:21.22 | xoz | innovati: nondebian |
| 23:21.31 | cafuego | innovati: To my knowledge there is not sane reason for using gentoo for anything at all. |
| 23:21.36 | innovati | well - I am asking you because I do not know |
| 23:21.41 | twobitsprite | how do I tell debconf to use the ncurses menu as opposed to the GUI? |
| 23:21.47 | streuner | elcuco: call it what you like, but it works :-) |
| 23:21.50 | zumbi | xoz: couldn't you be nicer ? |
| 23:21.57 | cafuego | innovati: /j #ubuntu if you have ubuntu questions. |
| 23:22.00 | innovati | cafuego: well, the fact that you compile EVERYTHING means that you have the dev libs for compiling |
| 23:22.17 | ssb | Bart-mdv-, re ;) |
| 23:22.36 | cafuego | innovati: *ALL* those libs are available on *ALL* decent distributions. |
| 23:22.51 | innovati | cafuego: on Gentoo you are 100% sure you have them though - all of them |
| 23:22.53 | cafuego | innovati: On debian, they're always in <package>-dev |
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| 23:23.11 | innovati | although that though of compiling everything isn't appealing - especially all text |
| 23:23.12 | cafuego | innovati: Well, if you insist Gentoo is what you need, nobody is stopping you. |
| 23:23.13 | mcphail | elcuco: gcc is usually just a link to the current version. |
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| 23:23.16 | xoz | zumbi: yes. he can get more help be going to the distro he wants. |
| 23:23.27 | innovati | cafuego: I thought Debian would do |
| 23:23.31 | zumbi | :-) tnx |
| 23:23.33 | xoz | zumbi: *channel* |
| 23:23.43 | cafuego | innovati: it will, just don't break it by installing non-debian software on it. |
| 23:23.44 | innovati | cafuego: so I re-installed |
| 23:24.11 | RnD57 | cafuego: can it be done without apt? |
| 23:24.16 | innovati | cafuego: why doesn't debian support it when even MANDRAKE had it? |
| 23:24.29 | xoz | innovati: go away. |
| 23:24.31 | cafuego | innovati: if you need the most recent stuff, you could run Sid. That will get Xorg in the not too distant future, it's just that developers are squashing bugs to get a release out the door and won't do much sid stuff until then. |
| 23:24.40 | RnD57 | cafuego: it's probably not a package from the default d/l ftp or whatever.... |
| 23:24.47 | innovati | RnD57: you can install x.org from about 8 tar's |
| 23:24.57 | RnD57 | ? |
| 23:25.05 | innovati | cafuego: how long away is this release? |
| 23:25.16 | innovati | cafuego: due this summer? |
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| 23:25.27 | turing | hi all |
| 23:25.29 | streuner | RnD57: those are binaries, but keep in mind, do you really need that... |
| 23:25.30 | cafuego | innovati: In short, debian doesn't have it, because it supports and maintains software fo 13 (THIRTEEN) different architectures. They ALL need to work before software is added. mandrake supports maybe three, and they're all simirar, so it's FAR easier to add software into it. |
| 23:26.04 | innovati | cafuego: I know that, but Deb also has far more of a community around it than Mandrake too |
| 23:26.06 | turing | problem: I am running testing on a webserver and saw some strange behavior |
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| 23:26.13 | RnD57 | steuner??? it is a package, but apt can't find it ... |
| 23:26.14 | turing | I installed debsums |
| 23:26.18 | cafuego | innovati: *nod* |
| 23:26.28 | turing | and it reports that a number of my binaries don't match |
| 23:26.49 | streuner | RnD57: x.org isn't in debian yet, after sarge is stable it goes into debian |
| 23:26.51 | innovati | I was impressed by the SVG integration in the desktop on Debian |
| 23:26.54 | turing | bash, find, diff, etc |
| 23:26.56 | cafuego | innovati: In debian, if you need to compile stuff, you can *always* run 'apt-get source foo; apt-get build-dep foo' - that fetches the foo source and ANYTHING needed to build it. |
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| 23:27.03 | innovati | can GTK themes be made of SVG's? |
| 23:27.12 | zumbi | !tell RnD57 about xorg |
| 23:27.15 | innovati | I don't know about these |
| 23:27.16 | RnD57 | steuner: im not talking about x.org ... |
| 23:27.21 | RnD57 | omg |
| 23:27.22 | streuner | RnD57: those binaries prolly break your package-system too |
| 23:27.24 | shimano55 | Question, Does anyone have the "Flurry" screensaver on Debian? |
| 23:27.29 | turing | does anyone know how I can reinstall the base binaries from apt-get? |
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| 23:27.44 | innovati | whoah - how do I do this?! |
| 23:27.56 | cg0def | I have a radeon 7500 and I am not sure what video driver I should use |
| 23:27.56 | cafuego | innovati: sorry? |
| 23:28.05 | cg0def | isn't is supposed to be called radeon? |
| 23:28.05 | innovati | cafuego: the apt-get source thing |
| 23:28.13 | cafuego | cg0def: 'radeon' in X. |
| 23:28.18 | streuner | RnD57: debsums? apt-get install debsums |
| 23:28.20 | slackmf | shimano55: yes, it's in xscreensaver-gl or something |
| 23:28.29 | cafuego | innovati: if you have deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list you can use it. |
| 23:28.44 | turing | anyone? |
| 23:28.47 | innovati | that would be more current than the regualr then? |
| 23:28.52 | cg0def | cafuego: ok then I guess I am using the correct one. How do I get 3d working with radeon? |
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| 23:29.06 | cafuego | turing: if you think you may have been hacked, you need to wipe & reinstall, not just replace binaries. |
| 23:29.13 | turing | cafuego: |
| 23:29.16 | RnD57 | debsums checksums parity whatever.... dpkg wont install my package, says short read buffer in copy |
| 23:29.20 | turing | I have not been hacked |
| 23:29.25 | cafuego | cg0def: if it doesn't already work, you may need to try the non-free fglrx driver. |
| 23:29.30 | turing | this machine is not exposed to the public |
| 23:29.43 | RnD57 | and dpkg bot here tells me it means its a corrupted package |
| 23:29.44 | turing | I think a dist upgrade may have done very wrong |
| 23:29.53 | RnD57 | so i figured i should check checksums.... |
| 23:29.53 | turing | so I need to reinstall all the base |
| 23:29.56 | cafuego | turing: Well, you can always run 'apt-get install --reinstall <foo>' |
| 23:30.00 | RnD57 | before redownloading it |
| 23:30.06 | streuner | RnD57: corrupted packages? just re-install them |
| 23:30.12 | cg0def | cafuego: I get an error when I try to run 3d apps and as far as I know there shouldn't be one, let me coppy the error |
| 23:30.15 | RnD57 | im trying to! 8) |
| 23:30.27 | streuner | RnD57: clean that package out of the cache and reinstall it |
| 23:30.37 | RnD57 | hum |
| 23:30.41 | RnD57 | redownload? |
| 23:30.48 | RnD57 | im not usig netinstallation |
| 23:31.14 | turing | cafuego: can you recommend a base set of packages to simulate a fresh install? |
| 23:31.26 | cg0def | cafuego: the error says that the GLX extention is missing on display 0 |
| 23:31.32 | mh_le | how do I apply a rcs patch to a file? |
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| 23:31.47 | streuner | RnD57: ok, just download the package over pdo (/msg dpkg pdo) and install that deb |
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| 23:32.14 | innovati | well se ya guys |
| 23:32.16 | xoz | turing: try deboostrap . copy those base-files it installs to update your system. |
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| 23:32.29 | RnD57 | aha |
| 23:32.32 | turing | xoz: |
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| 23:32.36 | RnD57 | ok, thnx , steuner |
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| 23:32.41 | streuner | RnD57: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/_your_corrupted_package/ first |
| 23:32.45 | turing | where can I get more info on it? |
| 23:32.50 | cg0def | cafuego: also when I try to run dpkg -reconfigure there is no radeon driver listed |
| 23:33.11 | xoz | turing: apt-get install debootstrap |
| 23:33.15 | turing | ok |
| 23:33.42 | xoz | turing: it creates a basic debian in a chroot environment. |
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| 23:33.46 | RnD57 | steuner: it's not there, i use mozzila to d/l it, not apt-get |
| 23:33.51 | cafuego | turing: Hmm, not sure if there'sa base depend for the base system. |
| 23:34.06 | turing | cafuego: |
| 23:34.11 | turing | can I just do: |
| 23:34.14 | turing | apt-get install base |
| 23:34.15 | turing | ? |
| 23:34.30 | turing | tar: Skipping to next header |
| 23:34.31 | turing | tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers |
| 23:34.31 | turing | tar: Read 10147 bytes from - |
| 23:34.31 | turing | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 23:34.32 | turing | dpkg-deb: subprocess tar returned error exit status 2 |
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| 23:35.00 | cafuego | [19:30] + Irssi: Auto-ignoring turing - Kicked by debhelper (flood) |
| 23:35.01 | sussudio | !tell turing about flood |
| 23:35.04 | streuner | RnD57: hm, interesting, because it didn't get the package at all then.. |
| 23:35.17 | turing | agh sorry |
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| 23:35.21 | turing | I didn't see the line was long |
| 23:35.31 | RnD57 | steuner: hum...maybe because i paused/resumed once .... |
| 23:35.56 | RnD57 | steuner: maybe the server dont support resume [nvidia doesnt, thats for sure] |
| 23:35.57 | xoz | ignore |
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| 23:36.36 | a0n | hi, all! |
| 23:36.52 | turing | xoz: |
| 23:37.07 | turing | debootstrap gives me an error on install |
| 23:37.12 | RnD57 | steuner: im a little worried, lol, my d/l is 40kBps, and my connection is 16kBps .....f**king cache!!! |
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| 23:39.07 | RnD57 | steuner: it went ok this time... amazing |
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| 23:39.24 | RnD57 | steuner: and the filename is different??!!! |
| 23:39.26 | RnD57 | lol |
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| 23:40.05 | obtix | i am trying to mount my vfat partiton on a seperate hd (the drive worked i just did a clean new install) when i try to mount it i get the following error "FAT: codepage cp437 not found" |
| 23:40.06 | RnD57 | YAY it works |
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| 23:41.03 | wad_ | Hey folks. |
| 23:41.21 | wad_ | I was wondering, can anyone point me to some CHEAP USB 802.11b or g adapters that work with Linux? |
| 23:41.42 | cafuego | wad_: the kernel source will list all working ones |
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| 23:45.10 | websdale | obtix:maybe you need to load a codepage module like "nls_cp437" |
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| 23:46.52 | obtix | websdale: well how do i do that? support for fat is built into the kernel and the kernel has the right codepage set |
| 23:46.55 | Gozar | Hi. How do I get links in thunderbird to show up in firefox, and mailto tinks in firefox to show up in thunderbird? |
| 23:47.07 | wad_ | cafuego: That's not terribly helpful unless it specifically points to brands, instead of chipsets. |
| 23:47.08 | dvs | Gozar: Get mozilla? ;-) |
| 23:47.39 | Gozar | dvs: Don't want mozilla. :-( |
| 23:47.43 | cafuego | wad_: Well that's the thing, the brands tend to switch chipsets without notice (and without changing version numbers) these days. |
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| 23:48.27 | websdale | obtix:what codepage is the kernel using then? |
| 23:48.35 | cheal | Gozar: try dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-thunderbird |
| 23:48.38 | wad_ | cafuego: That sucks. How is support for these devices, generally? |
| 23:48.43 | cafuego | I can tell you a netcomm 802.11g usb key won't work |
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| 23:49.05 | cheal | Gozar: that's for a relatively well working http links in TB |
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| 23:50.14 | obtix | websdale: i have kernel 2.6.11.8 (current stable) and under the file systems and dos/fat/nt filesystem i have vfat loaded and under that is asks the default codepage and it says 437 |
| 23:51.30 | Gozar | cheal: What should I chooce? Debian. Gnone, I'll do it myself. I'm useing xfce4? |
| 23:51.42 | cafuego | wad_: Linksys Wireless Card (USB) WUSB11 802.11b/11Mbps will apparenylu work (but it looks huge) |
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| 23:52.40 | cheal | Gozar: do you use gnome? |
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| 23:52.55 | Gozar | cheal: No xfce |
| 23:52.57 | twobitsprite | when I type "startx" it tries to start, then fails and I get this error: xf86MapPciMem: Could not mmap PCI memory [base=0xe0000000,hostbase=0xe0000000,size=0] (Invalid argument) |
| 23:53.07 | twobitsprite | am I missing a package or something? |
| 23:53.20 | cheal | Gozar: did you already added a browser configuration in /etc/mozilla-thunderbird/global-config.js? |
| 23:54.05 | Gozar | cheal: I tryed that some time ago, but it kept getting reverted |
| 23:54.27 | Talnakh_ | i really hope that someone can develop a better alternative to XFREE and X.ORG |
| 23:54.27 | twobitsprite | (btw, that error is in the log file, not the output) |
| 23:54.44 | gravity | Talnakh_: What's your problem with X? |
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| 23:54.50 | server | ya.. |
| 23:54.53 | server | x is good |
| 23:54.55 | cafuego | Talnakh_: Yes, but Aqua isn't free. |
| 23:55.29 | Talnakh_ | I dont have a problem with it. others have problems with it. |
| 23:55.41 | cheal | Gozar: if it was reverted, it's as if you did nothing |
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| 23:56.04 | gravity | Talnakh_: Doesn't mean you need an alternative. It just needs to be improved, which is ongoing. |
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| 23:56.43 | Talnakh_ | gravity, good comment :-) |
| 23:56.52 | bahamat | ok, I'm having a problem. Something keeps changing the perms on my serial port and I need it to knock it the frak off |
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| 23:57.16 | Gozar | cheal: I think, it's was my users global-config.js I edited that time. trying the one in /etc |
| 23:57.26 | bahamat | anybody have any ideas? |
| 23:57.37 | Talnakh_ | kernel? |
| 23:57.38 | cheal | Gozar: you don't have to. it's just a question |
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| 23:57.59 | cafuego | bahamat: check who dunnit with famd or something |
| 23:58.10 | bahamat | cafuego: how do I do that? |
| 23:58.20 | Gozar | cheal: Oh. well now I have edited it :-) |
| 23:58.25 | cafuego | bahamat: man famd? |
| 23:59.17 | derflo | n8 |
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| 23:59.48 | madclicker | can someone explain this to me " string(166) "Certificate failure for pop3.abc.com: self signed certificate: /O=Dovecot mail server/OU=secondary./CN=secondary.abc.com/emailAddress=root@localhost.localdomain" |
| 23:59.48 | madclicker | } |
